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[2025-08-12 07:52:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| wtb active community that i can sit and yap in all day while i work
[2025-08-12 07:52:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| wtb active community that i can sit and yap in all day while i work
[2025-08-12 07:53:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| can we restart conversations around marketing and engagement?
[2025-08-12 07:53:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| can we restart conversations around marketing and engagement?
[2025-08-12 07:56:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i was talking with @sanityarc @vllis @justkoala about this and we came up with some good ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i was talking with @sanityarc @vllis @justkoala about this and we came up with some good ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 1. Try get in VC where possible during TST matches to commentate and add 'hype'
[2025-08-12 07:56:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 1. Try get in VC where possible during TST matches to commentate and add 'hype'
[2025-08-12 07:56:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 2. Where live commentary can't be achieved maybe we can be 'paid actors' and do it retrospectively
[2025-08-12 07:56:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 2. Where live commentary can't be achieved maybe we can be 'paid actors' and do it retrospectively
[2025-08-12 07:56:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 3. With the above 2, just frantic clips of both the community and the skill cap. These things are our leverage 
[2025-08-12 07:56:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 3. With the above 2, just frantic clips of both the community and the skill cap. These things are our leverage 
[2025-08-12 07:56:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Other more esoteric ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Other more esoteric ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Can we manipulate the TST script to extract clips automatically using core dump messages in succession (double kills, etc)?
[2025-08-12 07:56:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Can we manipulate the TST script to extract clips automatically using core dump messages in succession (double kills, etc)?
[2025-08-12 07:56:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Are there other data driven techniques that our TST scripts could use to increase cross channel promotion? I imagine a future where it could auto stream, announce games on different channels, etc
[2025-08-12 07:56:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Are there other data driven techniques that our TST scripts could use to increase cross channel promotion? I imagine a future where it could auto stream, announce games on different channels, etc
[2025-08-12 07:57:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I accept that im probably mostly alone in my existential fear of this collapsing. In many ways it already has. I have introduced now 5-10 people to the game that can't make it stick because of one reason or another, but without a doubt the biggest issue we face is that for 99% of the day the serverlist shows a big fat 0 players online
[2025-08-12 07:57:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I accept that im probably mostly alone in my existential fear of this collapsing. In many ways it already has. I have introduced now 5-10 people to the game that can't make it stick because of one reason or another, but without a doubt the biggest issue we face is that for 99% of the day the serverlist shows a big fat 0 players online
[2025-08-12 07:57:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| For all intents and purposes this is a dead game, and I think we should be moving with a similar level of panic
[2025-08-12 07:57:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| For all intents and purposes this is a dead game, and I think we should be moving with a similar level of panic
[2025-08-12 07:58:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Otherwise your legacies and your memories will be forgotten
[2025-08-12 07:58:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Otherwise your legacies and your memories will be forgotten
[2025-08-12 08:10:44] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| if i remember right nanu used his stat recording data to replay pickup matches and he streamed them constantly for some time to twitch
[2025-08-12 08:10:44] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| if i remember right nanu used his stat recording data to replay pickup matches and he streamed them constantly for some time to twitch
[2025-08-12 08:14:20] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| but i agree there is an endless amount of ideas for interesting content revolving around the game that could be entertaining for current players and potential exposure to new players
[2025-08-12 08:14:20] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| but i agree there is an endless amount of ideas for interesting content revolving around the game that could be entertaining for current players and potential exposure to new players
[2025-08-12 08:15:51] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| and whats cool about tron and specifically fort / tst in this case is if u watch one match through even just spectating a few players you'll probably have quite a few usable clips which we have the power to do with nelgs playback feature on his website
[2025-08-12 08:15:51] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| and whats cool about tron and specifically fort / tst in this case is if u watch one match through even just spectating a few players you'll probably have quite a few usable clips which we have the power to do with nelgs playback feature on his website
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[2025-08-12 10:04:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| there's historically been a summer slowdown p much every year, even at the peak of the playerbase, but ya it's def concerning atm
[2025-08-12 10:04:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| there's historically been a summer slowdown p much every year, even at the peak of the playerbase, but ya it's def concerning atm
[2025-08-12 10:05:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| those who raised the "pickup will ruin tron" flag, will ultimately prove right 😂
[2025-08-12 10:05:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| those who raised the "pickup will ruin tron" flag, will ultimately prove right 😂
[2025-08-12 10:06:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| also agree with you, no success in trying to introduce new people to the game. Whether it's the old style menus, skill diff, or something else, it's really hard to get people to stick around with so many other options
[2025-08-12 10:07:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| also agree with you, no success in trying to introduce new people to the game. Whether it's the old style menus, skill diff, or something else, it's really hard to get people to stick around with so many other options
[2025-08-12 10:20:42] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I’d also bet that there is actually a decent amount of people that download the game and check it out but I feel like they trickle in one at a time and even if the game was flawless in every way you’re not gonna stay if you see every server empty
[2025-08-12 10:20:42] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I’d also bet that there is actually a decent amount of people that download the game and check it out but I feel like they trickle in one at a time and even if the game was flawless in every way you’re not gonna stay if you see every server empty
[2025-08-12 10:39:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Yes exactly the reason I'm constantly raising this and not yet hopeless is the fact we do have a handful of active, collaborative, creative individuals that have, and could, create things like this in order to gain some footing
[2025-08-12 10:39:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Yes exactly the reason I'm constantly raising this and not yet hopeless is the fact we do have a handful of active, collaborative, creative individuals that have, and could, create things like this in order to gain some footing
[2025-08-12 10:39:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I just think our shared talents are too much in tech and not enough in gtm, marketing, advertisement, seo, engagement etc
[2025-08-12 10:39:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I just think our shared talents are too much in tech and not enough in gtm, marketing, advertisement, seo, engagement etc
[2025-08-12 10:40:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| and naturally the whole revenue issue permits us from getting overly creative. this i think though plays into our strengths so not overly concerned
[2025-08-12 10:40:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| and naturally the whole revenue issue permits us from getting overly creative. this i think though plays into our strengths so not overly concerned
[2025-08-12 10:40:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i did think about some sort of program where i pay clippers for every x thousand views. this is a very healthy way to grow other channels and it will probably work with tron too
[2025-08-12 10:40:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i did think about some sort of program where i pay clippers for every x thousand views. this is a very healthy way to grow other channels and it will probably work with tron too
[2025-08-12 10:41:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| or maybe we all collectively pay clippers or content creators if they have proven to be an effective funnel for new players
[2025-08-12 10:41:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| or maybe we all collectively pay clippers or content creators if they have proven to be an effective funnel for new players
[2025-08-12 10:41:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| but idk i dont really want to talk about money i want to do this creatively and in the nature of armagetron ie homebrewed open source relying on nobody
[2025-08-12 10:41:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| but idk i dont really want to talk about money i want to do this creatively and in the nature of armagetron ie homebrewed open source relying on nobody
[2025-08-12 10:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| the thing is it cant be helped. at the same time the overall community was dying the semi-pro community was getting more and more established with higher and higher requirements for a "good" game. You cant blame pros for wanting high quality games
[2025-08-12 10:42:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| the thing is it cant be helped. at the same time the overall community was dying the semi-pro community was getting more and more established with higher and higher requirements for a "good" game. You cant blame pros for wanting high quality games
[2025-08-12 10:43:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| we can blame ourselves for not taking into account that this is effectively gatekeeping since even if you did convince a brand new player to come here, add, auth up, theyre still going to leave early after not understanding they signed up for what is effectively the highest tier of competition this game has to offer
[2025-08-12 10:43:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| we can blame ourselves for not taking into account that this is effectively gatekeeping since even if you did convince a brand new player to come here, add, auth up, theyre still going to leave early after not understanding they signed up for what is effectively the highest tier of competition this game has to offer
[2025-08-12 10:44:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| these days id be more hyped if we got a full tst lobby discussing how to increase the grandeur and reach instead of silently binding for 15 mins
[2025-08-12 10:44:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| these days id be more hyped if we got a full tst lobby discussing how to increase the grandeur and reach instead of silently binding for 15 mins
[2025-08-12 10:45:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| if you take the metaphor to the extreme that we dont have casual football games anymore, only premier league games, then it kinda sticks. its simply too intimidating
[2025-08-12 10:45:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| if you take the metaphor to the extreme that we dont have casual football games anymore, only premier league games, then it kinda sticks. its simply too intimidating
[2025-08-12 10:46:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| ya exactly, we want to play slightly more competitive games, but it's killed off hanging in public servers completely
[2025-08-12 10:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| ya exactly, we want to play slightly more competitive games, but it's killed off hanging in public servers completely
[2025-08-12 10:47:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| I mean football, the most casual games are still "pickups", it's just scheduled more consistently maybe so people know when to gather and play?
[2025-08-12 10:47:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| I mean football, the most casual games are still "pickups", it's just scheduled more consistently maybe so people know when to gather and play?
[2025-08-12 10:47:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| We were doing that with fort for a bit
[2025-08-12 10:47:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| We were doing that with fort for a bit
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I think pickup has massive drawbacks like being a killer for casual gameplay / players but it also makes sense if you look at other competitive games being able to queue up and play against other people in an organized way, it's just unfortunate that in almost every game the casual population is far greater than the competitive population and with a player base as small as ours w <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I think pickup has massive drawbacks like being a killer for casual gameplay / players but it also makes sense if you look at other competitive games being able to queue up and play against other people in an organized way, it's just unfortunate that in almost every game the casual population is far greater than the competitive population and with a player base as small as ours w <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| e feel it when the casual game play is kinda left behind
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| e feel it when the casual game play is kinda left behind
[2025-08-12 10:49:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| you run into this with real life sports too, when the skill gap is super high it's not as enjoyable for the top tier or the low tier when mixed together
[2025-08-12 10:49:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| you run into this with real life sports too, when the skill gap is super high it's not as enjoyable for the top tier or the low tier when mixed together
[2025-08-12 10:50:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| so you have divisions or something by skill level or pickups marketed towards differing skill levels
[2025-08-12 10:50:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| so you have divisions or something by skill level or pickups marketed towards differing skill levels
[2025-08-12 10:50:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| we just don't have the pool to support that
[2025-08-12 10:50:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| we just don't have the pool to support that
[2025-08-12 10:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| pub tournaments have always felt like a good middle ground to get started with rebuilding a casual culture
[2025-08-12 10:50:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| pub tournaments have always felt like a good middle ground to get started with rebuilding a casual culture
[2025-08-12 10:51:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| kinda like casual chess tournaments you join play x games or smth when you can
[2025-08-12 10:51:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| kinda like casual chess tournaments you join play x games or smth when you can
[2025-08-12 10:51:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| what do you mean by pub tournament?
[2025-08-12 10:51:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| what do you mean by pub tournament?
[2025-08-12 10:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| oh I see
[2025-08-12 10:51:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| oh I see
[2025-08-12 10:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i admit that it doesnt get around the issue that its still pre-planned but its a good middle ground in having an inviting server name and the ability to immediately play
[2025-08-12 10:52:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i admit that it doesnt get around the issue that its still pre-planned but its a good middle ground in having an inviting server name and the ability to immediately play
[2025-08-12 10:54:01] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| A lot of the game is almost in accessible for new players as well I feel like, there are so many important and vital settings people would WANT to change but would never know they have the capability to without digging through forums or wiki for settings which no new player is prolly ever gonna do and the settings you do see in the game itself are hard to understand for most people I'd imagine
[2025-08-12 10:54:01] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| A lot of the game is almost in accessible for new players as well I feel like, there are so many important and vital settings people would WANT to change but would never know they have the capability to without digging through forums or wiki for settings which no new player is prolly ever gonna do and the settings you do see in the game itself are hard to understand for most people I'd imagine
[2025-08-12 10:54:29] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I've had 16 years of playing this game to understand what "Mipmap Trilinear" means but I just associate changing the graphic quality to left and right for worse and better
[2025-08-12 10:54:29] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I've had 16 years of playing this game to understand what "Mipmap Trilinear" means but I just associate changing the graphic quality to left and right for worse and better
[2025-08-12 11:07:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| yeah indeed also a common conversation i have with people is around client challenges and the potential wins of giving the client a makeover to add in greater customisation/personalisation/auth/leaderboards/friends/profiles/stats etc
[2025-08-12 11:07:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| yeah indeed also a common conversation i have with people is around client challenges and the potential wins of giving the client a makeover to add in greater customisation/personalisation/auth/leaderboards/friends/profiles/stats etc
[2025-08-12 11:07:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| but before long this conversation gets unwieldly with a bunch of potential actions and outcomes and ultimately not a lot of actual output
[2025-08-12 11:07:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| but before long this conversation gets unwieldly with a bunch of potential actions and outcomes and ultimately not a lot of actual output
[2025-08-12 11:08:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i think we need to have a longer conversation to bring the focus down to a manageable group of initiatives that we can iteratively invest into
[2025-08-12 11:08:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i think we need to have a longer conversation to bring the focus down to a manageable group of initiatives that we can iteratively invest into
[2025-08-12 11:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| starting with some beautiful reusable soundbites ive extracted
[2025-08-12 11:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| starting with some beautiful reusable soundbites ive extracted
[2025-08-12 11:54:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855596720721990/just_get_SHIT_ONN.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=baedd46bdedf9997ec9b3835e8e927744183ee082cc8c05bec87974e7f98d6db&
[2025-08-12 11:54:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855596720721990/just_get_SHIT_ONN.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=baedd46bdedf9997ec9b3835e8e927744183ee082cc8c05bec87974e7f98d6db&
[2025-08-12 11:54:38] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597202935880/koala_sus.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=d34fb36f8f2dcad2cec4d6b0a90da69aa29b350c9c95e120b6335daf34306dba&
[2025-08-12 11:54:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597202935880/koala_sus.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=d34fb36f8f2dcad2cec4d6b0a90da69aa29b350c9c95e120b6335daf34306dba&
[2025-08-12 11:54:39] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597534412830/noodz_PLEASE.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=59feafd6070267c9e97fd9f3a73131cd8cf9593a6a20d245d998b2eba237c41e&
[2025-08-12 11:54:39] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597534412830/noodz_PLEASE.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=59feafd6070267c9e97fd9f3a73131cd8cf9593a6a20d245d998b2eba237c41e&
[2025-08-12 11:54:40] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597869961366/sanity_questionable_noises.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=cf7d53aa49781370451ba47982cb16d1cb3bb0ff661fd5f70a42d8e28fce860b&
[2025-08-12 11:54:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597869961366/sanity_questionable_noises.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=cf7d53aa49781370451ba47982cb16d1cb3bb0ff661fd5f70a42d8e28fce860b&
[2025-08-12 11:54:41] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855598184402954/you_piece_of_shit.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=ccfa46d67ac3303ff47b41797ee36d3dadd57dc4931cfcf1e2a1bc62f181725c&
[2025-08-12 11:54:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855598184402954/you_piece_of_shit.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=ccfa46d67ac3303ff47b41797ee36d3dadd57dc4931cfcf1e2a1bc62f181725c&
[2025-08-12 11:57:56] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and i also mixed them to sound a bit better
[2025-08-12 11:57:56] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and i also mixed them to sound a bit better
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| i like this one too @vllis
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404859370306670673/sanity_audio.mp3?ex=689cb8be&is=689b673e&hm=bbd43d4cae0893447d533913fd2e9f5314e5309bb69ef754e90a02f4748da511&
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| i like this one too @vllis
[2025-08-12 12:09:36] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404859370306670673/sanity_audio.mp3?ex=689cb8be&is=689b673e&hm=bbd43d4cae0893447d533913fd2e9f5314e5309bb69ef754e90a02f4748da511&
[2025-08-12 12:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257
[2025-08-12 12:09:51] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257
[2025-08-12 12:16:44] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - A pub server with a leaderboard just like pickup would be cool. Something like Sumo bar where it only logs scores if 5 or more players are in server from start of round.  
[2025-08-12 12:16:44] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - A pub server with a leaderboard just like pickup would be cool. Something like Sumo bar where it only logs scores if 5 or more players are in server from start of round.  
[2025-08-12 12:16:45] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of prize pool server would be fun too. Even if its just 1-2 dollar buy in for a monthly comp. If word gets out that there are paid tournaments of any kind, that could bring people to tron and keep them interested in improving their skills.
[2025-08-12 12:16:45] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of prize pool server would be fun too. Even if its just 1-2 dollar buy in for a monthly comp. If word gets out that there are paid tournaments of any kind, that could bring people to tron and keep them interested in improving their skills.
[2025-08-12 12:16:46] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of in game map and game mode editor would be nice. Im thinking forge from halo 3 type thing. Would make server hosting so much easier for potatoes like myself. I know id spend 100s of hours in something like that. Trying to figure out what alot of the console commands do with no visual representation is a slow and tedious experience.
[2025-08-12 12:16:46] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of in game map and game mode editor would be nice. Im thinking forge from halo 3 type thing. Would make server hosting so much easier for potatoes like myself. I know id spend 100s of hours in something like that. Trying to figure out what alot of the console commands do with no visual representation is a slow and tedious experience.
[2025-08-12 12:16:47] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| -Having a centralized website would also be cool, having the forums, sinewave's & wiki guides, pickup leaderboards, web browser version of tron etc all navigated from one website.
[2025-08-12 12:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| -Having a centralized website would also be cool, having the forums, sinewave's & wiki guides, pickup leaderboards, web browser version of tron etc all navigated from one website.
[2025-08-12 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Auto streaming all pickup matches on twitch/youtube/kick
[2025-08-12 12:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Auto streaming all pickup matches on twitch/youtube/kick
[2025-08-12 12:34:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Triaging in subjective difficulty
[2025-08-12 12:34:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Triaging in subjective difficulty
[2025-08-12 12:34:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Pub server - 2/10 - very easy
[2025-08-12 12:34:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Pub server - 2/10 - very easy
[2025-08-12 12:34:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Prize pool server - 5/10 - some scripting setup required
[2025-08-12 12:34:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Prize pool server - 5/10 - some scripting setup required
[2025-08-12 12:34:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - In game map mode editor - 10/10 - someone else would have to do this lol
[2025-08-12 12:34:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - In game map mode editor - 10/10 - someone else would have to do this lol
[2025-08-12 12:34:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - centralized website - 6/10 - hard mostly for content
[2025-08-12 12:34:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - centralized website - 6/10 - hard mostly for content
[2025-08-12 12:34:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - auto streaming pikcup - 4/10 - mostly liasing with nelg/nanu on setting up a randomised loop stream
[2025-08-12 12:34:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - auto streaming pikcup - 4/10 - mostly liasing with nelg/nanu on setting up a randomised loop stream
[2025-08-12 12:34:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - in game movie packs - 8/10 - packs are ok but achievements is not so simple
[2025-08-12 12:34:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - in game movie packs - 8/10 - packs are ok but achievements is not so simple
[2025-08-12 14:09:21] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Would be cool to have more pub games going around the  Tron 3 release
[2025-08-12 14:09:21] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Would be cool to have more pub games going around the  Tron 3 release
[2025-08-12 14:17:16] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Is there a way we could pair players against eachother based on current scores in a pub server? Only server that I remember did this was the old Ww Sumo (Sumo two)
[2025-08-12 14:17:16] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Is there a way we could pair players against eachother based on current scores in a pub server? Only server that I remember did this was the old Ww Sumo (Sumo two)
[2025-08-12 14:18:18] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| Agility's Sumo-Two does this when there are 5 or more players
[2025-08-12 14:18:18] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| Agility's Sumo-Two does this when there are 5 or more players
[2025-08-12 14:18:27] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| on current scores
[2025-08-12 14:18:27] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| on current scores
[2025-08-12 14:19:09] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Maybe a king of the hill 1v1 server could be fun (4 1v1s happening)
[2025-08-12 14:19:09] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Maybe a king of the hill 1v1 server could be fun (4 1v1s happening)
[2025-08-12 14:20:21] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Also I always liked CTF for onboarding new players, doesn't look like there's any servers around anymore though. Wouldn't mind sponsoring one if there's still interest
[2025-08-12 14:20:21] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Also I always liked CTF for onboarding new players, doesn't look like there's any servers around anymore though. Wouldn't mind sponsoring one if there's still interest
[2025-08-12 14:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| CTF is rough when half the players crash at the end of the round
[2025-08-12 14:43:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| CTF is rough when half the players crash at the end of the round
[2025-08-12 14:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| not sure if that's been solved
[2025-08-12 14:43:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| not sure if that's been solved
[2025-08-12 14:43:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| or we can adjust it so the rounds are shorter or something
[2025-08-12 14:43:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| or we can adjust it so the rounds are shorter or something
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[2025-08-12 15:05:42] <Lucifer_arma> well, the guy that sold me my new-to-me laptop said my old one crapped out so soon because it was an IdeaPad.  The new one is a ThinkPad, and is supposedly a lot more durable
[2025-08-12 15:05:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, the guy that sold me my new-to-me laptop said my old one crapped out so soon because it was an IdeaPad.  The new one is a ThinkPad, and is supposedly a lot more durable
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[2025-08-12 15:29:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| not accepting the change of topic
[2025-08-12 15:29:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| not accepting the change of topic
[2025-08-12 15:29:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| the topic is: preventing the death of this game
[2025-08-12 15:29:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| the topic is: preventing the death of this game
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[2025-08-12 15:43:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| imo the client is too outdated this game will never be popular again
[2025-08-12 15:43:51] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| imo the client is too outdated this game will never be popular again
[2025-08-12 15:45:49] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| nobody wants to sort through overly complex texture filtering options without knowing what any of it means to make their game look nice
[2025-08-12 15:45:49] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| nobody wants to sort through overly complex texture filtering options without knowing what any of it means to make their game look nice
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and as it stands, certainly nobody wants to be forced to sign up to discord , learn how to queue, get into a game, then realise they need to go to a website to create an account, answer obscure questions from a now classic movie, then sign in all just to get shit on for 15 mins by players with 15 years years experience
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and as it stands, certainly nobody wants to be forced to sign up to discord , learn how to queue, get into a game, then realise they need to go to a website to create an account, answer obscure questions from a now classic movie, then sign in all just to get shit on for 15 mins by players with 15 years years experience
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and i understand we are tryna change that, but im not sure any amount of fun gameplay ideas will reconcile the 25 year old ui
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and i understand we are tryna change that, but im not sure any amount of fun gameplay ideas will reconcile the 25 year old ui
[2025-08-12 15:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| to me, only real options that would genuinely bring light to this game are: make a new game, or make a new client for this game that is far more intuitive
[2025-08-12 15:49:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| to me, only real options that would genuinely bring light to this game are: make a new game, or make a new client for this game that is far more intuitive
[2025-08-12 16:00:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i’m thinking public initiatives can get the sparsely playing players on more often
[2025-08-12 16:00:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i’m thinking public initiatives can get the sparsely playing players on more often
[2025-08-12 16:00:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| there is a crazy loop when one logs on and sees 0 people
[2025-08-12 16:00:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| there is a crazy loop when one logs on and sees 0 people
[2025-08-12 16:00:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i’m all for client modifications but that is a more involved project
[2025-08-12 16:00:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i’m all for client modifications but that is a more involved project
[2025-08-12 16:00:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| then just like open casual wednesday or something
[2025-08-12 16:00:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| then just like open casual wednesday or something
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[2025-08-12 16:33:11] <Lucifer_arma_> it looks like your primary complaint is the infrastructure that's been built around the game
[2025-08-12 16:33:11] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it looks like your primary complaint is the infrastructure that's been built around the game
[2025-08-12 16:33:40] <Lucifer_arma_> which, honestly, is my primary complaint.  One of the things keeping me off the grid, although not the primary thing by any means, is that I won't join discord just to play a one off game every now and then
[2025-08-12 16:33:40] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| which, honestly, is my primary complaint.  One of the things keeping me off the grid, although not the primary thing by any means, is that I won't join discord just to play a one off game every now and then
[2025-08-12 16:36:02] <Lucifer_arma_> I agree that the ui for making the game look nice is pretty bad overall, but a new client isn't needed, strictly speaking, to make a better ui
[2025-08-12 16:36:03] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I agree that the ui for making the game look nice is pretty bad overall, but a new client isn't needed, strictly speaking, to make a better ui
[2025-08-12 16:36:22] <Lucifer_arma_> that's more a matter of someone needs to sit down and spend the time on it
[2025-08-12 16:36:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's more a matter of someone needs to sit down and spend the time on it
[2025-08-12 16:39:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the current ui api has plenty of room to add code to scan directories of textures and let you choose different textures and models and stuff.
[2025-08-12 16:39:27] <Lucifer_arma_> the current ui api has plenty of room to add code to scan directories of textures and let you choose different textures and models and stuff.
[2025-08-12 16:39:41] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| someone could start with turning moviepacks into a downloadable resource that you can just select
[2025-08-12 16:39:46] <Lucifer_arma_> someone could start with turning moviepacks into a downloadable resource that you can just select
[2025-08-12 16:40:15] <Lucifer_arma_> the original format I suggested for resources that luke-jr and I argued over and I lost (heh :)  ) was that a resource without the .xml extension should exist, and it should be a gzip archive of all the files needed for the resource
[2025-08-12 16:40:15] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the original format I suggested for resources that luke-jr and I argued over and I lost (heh :)  ) was that a resource without the .xml extension should exist, and it should be a gzip archive of all the files needed for the resource
[2025-08-12 16:40:25] <Lucifer_arma_> and inside that archive is the xml file that ties all of it together
[2025-08-12 16:40:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and inside that archive is the xml file that ties all of it together
[2025-08-12 16:40:56] <Lucifer_arma_> so the client would download the resource, unzip it into a directory, and then be able to access it
[2025-08-12 16:40:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so the client would download the resource, unzip it into a directory, and then be able to access it
[2025-08-12 16:41:11] <Lucifer_arma_> so the client could then scan the directory of moviepacks to generate a list for the player to choose from
[2025-08-12 16:41:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so the client could then scan the directory of moviepacks to generate a list for the player to choose from
[2025-08-12 16:41:48] <Lucifer_arma_> I was going to implement this with soundpacks originally and ultimately win the argument, but I've been sidetracked from that for like 15 years
[2025-08-12 16:41:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I was going to implement this with soundpacks originally and ultimately win the argument, but I've been sidetracked from that for like 15 years
[2025-08-12 16:42:37] <Lucifer_arma_> so some code that would be really helpful here to get there: a resource builder tool that gets integrated into the build process, and a resource extraction api that gets integrated into the client
[2025-08-12 16:42:38] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so some code that would be really helpful here to get there: a resource builder tool that gets integrated into the build process, and a resource extraction api that gets integrated into the client
[2025-08-12 16:43:09] <Lucifer_arma_> the existing resource downloading code would need minimal modifications to use this
[2025-08-12 16:43:09] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the existing resource downloading code would need minimal modifications to use this
[2025-08-12 16:43:37] <Lucifer_arma_> then just create the different resource types you think we need to be able to customize the look and feel of the client, integrate them into the UI
[2025-08-12 16:43:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then just create the different resource types you think we need to be able to customize the look and feel of the client, integrate them into the UI
[2025-08-12 16:44:06] <Lucifer_arma_> there's two places to integrate them.  The first is the UI itself.  So if you provide a font for the UI as a resource, obviously the UI needs to be able to use that font.
[2025-08-12 16:44:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there's two places to integrate them.  The first is the UI itself.  So if you provide a font for the UI as a resource, obviously the UI needs to be able to use that font.
[2025-08-12 16:44:23] <Lucifer_arma_> The moviepack code would need some changes to turn moviepacks into a resource, but not a whole lot of changes
[2025-08-12 16:44:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| The moviepack code would need some changes to turn moviepacks into a resource, but not a whole lot of changes
[2025-08-12 16:44:43] <Lucifer_arma_> the second is creating the widgets that allow the player to select the resources they want to use
[2025-08-12 16:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the second is creating the widgets that allow the player to select the resources they want to use
[2025-08-12 16:45:12] <Lucifer_arma_> there is already a basic combobox implemented, you can extend that to include a resource directory scan
[2025-08-12 16:45:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there is already a basic combobox implemented, you can extend that to include a resource directory scan
[2025-08-12 16:46:10] <Lucifer_arma_> I was going to do *that* work originally with a playlist selector, where you'd build the playlist in any external app that builds playlists and just save it to a directory that arma can scan to generate a list of playlists
[2025-08-12 16:46:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I was going to do *that* work originally with a playlist selector, where you'd build the playlist in any external app that builds playlists and just save it to a directory that arma can scan to generate a list of playlists
[2025-08-12 16:46:59] <Lucifer_arma_> that's still a somewhat trivial addition that can be made in a few hours, for someone already familiar with the code
[2025-08-12 16:46:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's still a somewhat trivial addition that can be made in a few hours, for someone already familiar with the code
[2025-08-12 16:47:28] <Lucifer_arma_> the loop I keep getting stuck in is that I'll have like 5 hours to do *something*, but it takes me 4.5 hours to get familiar enough with the code to do it, and then it can't be done in the remaining 30 minutes
[2025-08-12 16:47:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the loop I keep getting stuck in is that I'll have like 5 hours to do *something*, but it takes me 4.5 hours to get familiar enough with the code to do it, and then it can't be done in the remaining 30 minutes
[2025-08-12 16:47:55] <Lucifer_arma_> then it'll be six months to two years before I find that time again, and by then, I've lost the familiarity I had
[2025-08-12 16:47:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then it'll be six months to two years before I find that time again, and by then, I've lost the familiarity I had
[2025-08-12 16:53:34] <Lucifer_arma_> all the infrastructure issues you mentioned can be replaced with a single web app that can be tied into discord and irc to integrate the existing way people play and provide a new way for people to play
[2025-08-12 16:53:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| all the infrastructure issues you mentioned can be replaced with a single web app that can be tied into discord and irc to integrate the existing way people play and provide a new way for people to play
[2025-08-12 16:54:02] <Lucifer_arma_> remember there's an arma protocol that gets installed with the client, so if you click on an arma:// link, it'll open the game and automatically join the server
[2025-08-12 16:54:02] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| remember there's an arma protocol that gets installed with the client, so if you click on an arma:// link, it'll open the game and automatically join the server
[2025-08-12 16:55:31] <Lucifer_arma_> you can either tie that web app into the forums, or use it to provide an authority for armathentication that'll ultimately displace the forums as the standard authority
[2025-08-12 16:55:31] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| you can either tie that web app into the forums, or use it to provide an authority for armathentication that'll ultimately displace the forums as the standard authority
[2025-08-12 16:56:26] <Lucifer_arma_> smaller versions, incomplete, have appeared from time to time, so there's code out there somewhere you can start with
[2025-08-12 16:56:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| smaller versions, incomplete, have appeared from time to time, so there's code out there somewhere you can start with
[2025-08-12 16:57:12] <Lucifer_arma_> I'd integrate it with the master servers so it'll always know whatever the master servers know, and periodically ping the same way the client does
[2025-08-12 16:57:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'd integrate it with the master servers so it'll always know whatever the master servers know, and periodically ping the same way the client does
[2025-08-12 16:58:51] <Lucifer_arma_> put the pickup UI in this web app, and when you sign up for a game, have it take you to a web-based chat interface to chat with the other players
[2025-08-12 16:58:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| put the pickup UI in this web app, and when you sign up for a game, have it take you to a web-based chat interface to chat with the other players
[2025-08-12 16:59:08] <Lucifer_arma_> then, when there's enough people for the game, it'll generate a link for the people using the web UI to click on and join
[2025-08-12 16:59:08] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then, when there's enough people for the game, it'll generate a link for the people using the web UI to click on and join
[2025-08-12 16:59:54] <Lucifer_arma_> basically, what I'm saying is that the client doesn't need to be scrapped.  It would benefit hugely from a rewrite, I won't argue against that, but we're still far from a place where a rewrite is necessary
[2025-08-12 16:59:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| basically, what I'm saying is that the client doesn't need to be scrapped.  It would benefit hugely from a rewrite, I won't argue against that, but we're still far from a place where a rewrite is necessary
[2025-08-12 17:00:06] <Lucifer_arma_> we need people to stop talking about what would make the game great again and start doing it
[2025-08-12 17:00:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| we need people to stop talking about what would make the game great again and start doing it
[2025-08-12 17:00:20] <Lucifer_arma_> make armagetron great again!  :)
[2025-08-12 17:00:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| make armagetron great again!  :)
[2025-08-12 18:05:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| thank you lucifer truly great words that need some processing
[2025-08-12 18:05:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| thank you lucifer truly great words that need some processing
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| The client work i empathise with. i am deeply unfamiliar with the codebase and whilst i do intend to jump into it and make some necessary changes, it’s far away right now. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| The client work i empathise with. i am deeply unfamiliar with the codebase and whilst i do intend to jump into it and make some necessary changes, it’s far away right now. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| What is closer is this idea you proposed and has kind of been floated in various places of a webapp that can unify chat, auth, and potentially something custom and unique around arma protocol deep linking. That last thought is interesting but needs some work in server selection algorithms. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| What is closer is this idea you proposed and has kind of been floated in various places of a webapp that can unify chat, auth, and potentially something custom and unique around arma protocol deep linking. That last thought is interesting but needs some work in server selection algorithms. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I will make it my first effort in the codebase to look at resource packs and potentially some kind of click download import scan xml archive thing. I will use these messages you provided as reference so anymore information will be hugely valuable. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I will make it my first effort in the codebase to look at resource packs and potentially some kind of click download import scan xml archive thing. I will use these messages you provided as reference so anymore information will be hugely valuable. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I maintain though that the #1 thing we as a collective can do without a whole load of technical expertise is just community building and spending time in the community just to do that, to give back and plant seeds in public servers. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I maintain though that the #1 thing we as a collective can do without a whole load of technical expertise is just community building and spending time in the community just to do that, to give back and plant seeds in public servers. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I met a kid today in das sumobar who is only 10 and whose parents won’t allow them discord. That essentially cuts them off from the modern game. That sucks. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I met a kid today in das sumobar who is only 10 and whose parents won’t allow them discord. That essentially cuts them off from the modern game. That sucks. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I think we should start with a dedicated casual event where we just show up, share ideas, chat, make our presences known to the wider internets. If it means leaning into click bait ideas and becoming a little more “cringe” then so be it. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I think we should start with a dedicated casual event where we just show up, share ideas, chat, make our presences known to the wider internets. If it means leaning into click bait ideas and becoming a little more “cringe” then so be it. 
[2025-08-12 18:15:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| This space is still valuable for the foreseeable future to constantly be proposing, triaging, giving feedback on, initiatives on reviving this game and putting it into the public consciousness where it deserves to be
[2025-08-12 18:15:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| This space is still valuable for the foreseeable future to constantly be proposing, triaging, giving feedback on, initiatives on reviving this game and putting it into the public consciousness where it deserves to be
[2025-08-12 18:26:54] <Lucifer_arma_> obligatory I told you so about putting everything on discord ;)
[2025-08-12 18:26:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| obligatory I told you so about putting everything on discord ;)
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[2025-08-12 19:01:54] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I completely agree with that. Wasn't ever my aim to do that, and still isn't. This was supposed to be for just casual off-grid chats and "yo wanna play" interactions while forums are much better for tourney organization and more serious discussions and actual game feedback, while the wiki is nice for guides, resources and documentation. Unfortunately I am bad at these things and  <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I completely agree with that. Wasn't ever my aim to do that, and still isn't. This was supposed to be for just casual off-grid chats and "yo wanna play" interactions while forums are much better for tourney organization and more serious discussions and actual game feedback, while the wiki is nice for guides, resources and documentation. Unfortunately I am bad at these things and  <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| when people ask for new channels and stuff like that I'll do it, and over time this is where it has gotten...
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| when people ask for new channels and stuff like that I'll do it, and over time this is where it has gotten...
[2025-08-12 19:02:15] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| And at some point people brought pickup back and here we are.
[2025-08-12 19:02:15] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| And at some point people brought pickup back and here we are.
[2025-08-12 19:09:51] <Lucifer_arma_> well, my irc solution wouldn't be meeting this guy's proposed needs either, so this isn't exactly a "luci was right, again" situation :P
[2025-08-12 19:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, my irc solution wouldn't be meeting this guy's proposed needs either, so this isn't exactly a "luci was right, again" situation :P
[2025-08-12 19:11:12] <Lucifer_arma_> honestly, right now, I'm just happy to be here and able to talk.  Been sitting in my van all day working on the animator for my youtube channel.  I'm off the raspberry pi that was limiting me to only being able to work on days off, and subject to a lot of "damn, I'm tired, I'll just rest today", leading to
[2025-08-12 19:11:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| honestly, right now, I'm just happy to be here and able to talk.  Been sitting in my van all day working on the animator for my youtube channel.  I'm off the raspberry pi that was limiting me to only being able to work on days off, and subject to a lot of "damn, I'm tired, I'll just rest today", leading to
[2025-08-12 19:11:23] <Lucifer_arma_> just working one day a week, some weeks not working at all
[2025-08-12 19:11:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| just working one day a week, some weeks not working at all
[2025-08-12 19:11:46] <Lucifer_arma_> so this new laptop has already enabled me to do more work today than I've been able to accomplish in the last two weeks
[2025-08-12 19:11:46] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so this new laptop has already enabled me to do more work today than I've been able to accomplish in the last two weeks
[2025-08-12 19:14:23] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Nice! I haven't really posted or participated on the forums in years now but been lurking every now and then. Good to hear things are improving! 😄
[2025-08-12 19:14:23] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Nice! I haven't really posted or participated on the forums in years now but been lurking every now and then. Good to hear things are improving! 😄
[2025-08-12 19:18:07] <Lucifer_arma_> well, I'm now at a point where I'll be essentially re-launching my channel as an animated channel, since I've been off for as long as I have been, so I'm putting some real effort into making the break worth it
[2025-08-12 19:18:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, I'm now at a point where I'll be essentially re-launching my channel as an animated channel, since I've been off for as long as I have been, so I'm putting some real effort into making the break worth it
[2025-08-12 19:18:50] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm anticipating the coding on the animator going a lot faster now that I'm off the cycle of only being able to work a couple days a week, and taking one or both of them off to actually rest
[2025-08-12 19:18:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm anticipating the coding on the animator going a lot faster now that I'm off the cycle of only being able to work a couple days a week, and taking one or both of them off to actually rest
[2025-08-12 19:19:31] <Lucifer_arma_> I can work anytime I'm not at my regular job, now, which opens up at least 30 hours a week to focus on my channel.  So first, get back into the swing of things where I'm actually putting in that kind of time...
[2025-08-12 19:19:31] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I can work anytime I'm not at my regular job, now, which opens up at least 30 hours a week to focus on my channel.  So first, get back into the swing of things where I'm actually putting in that kind of time...
[2025-08-12 19:20:30] <Lucifer_arma_> losing the last laptop was a bigger hit than I'd anticipated, even though I "recovered" quickly.  I'll be keeping the pi in the van for the foreseeable future as a backup, since I had just about gotten it up and running in the van
[2025-08-12 19:20:30] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| losing the last laptop was a bigger hit than I'd anticipated, even though I "recovered" quickly.  I'll be keeping the pi in the van for the foreseeable future as a backup, since I had just about gotten it up and running in the van
[2025-08-12 19:20:58] <Lucifer_arma_> hell, maybe I'll use it for a renderer, if I can figure out how to get kdenlive to take advantage of such a thing
[2025-08-12 19:20:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| hell, maybe I'll use it for a renderer, if I can figure out how to get kdenlive to take advantage of such a thing
[2025-08-12 19:22:07] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh that sounds cool, does a pi have enough graphics capability to make that usable?
[2025-08-12 19:22:07] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh that sounds cool, does a pi have enough graphics capability to make that usable?
[2025-08-12 19:26:19] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Anyways, about the whole discord thing, the biggest problem I have with this platform is: what's gonna happen to all the stuff that is on it as soon as a better messaging software appears and takes over? In contrast to a forum or wiki, archivability of important stuff that might have been here is bad to nonexistant. At least we still use the wiki for tourney results I guess...
[2025-08-12 19:26:19] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Anyways, about the whole discord thing, the biggest problem I have with this platform is: what's gonna happen to all the stuff that is on it as soon as a better messaging software appears and takes over? In contrast to a forum or wiki, archivability of important stuff that might have been here is bad to nonexistant. At least we still use the wiki for tourney results I guess...
[2025-08-12 19:27:38] <Lucifer_arma_> yes, a pi can do that, mostly because the rendering from kdenlive is CPU rendering, it doesn't use the graphics subsystem.  Since it's four cores, then it could theoretically render four frames at a time
[2025-08-12 19:27:39] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| yes, a pi can do that, mostly because the rendering from kdenlive is CPU rendering, it doesn't use the graphics subsystem.  Since it's four cores, then it could theoretically render four frames at a time
[2025-08-12 19:28:22] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh heh yeah, cpu parallelization I guess
[2025-08-12 19:28:22] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh heh yeah, cpu parallelization I guess
[2025-08-12 19:28:48] <Lucifer_arma_> as for the discord thing, maybe we could use the bots that exist to keep logs and store such archival information.  After that's established, then they can be theoretically adapted to join new messaging platforms and just assimilate them into the existing infrastructure
[2025-08-12 19:28:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| as for the discord thing, maybe we could use the bots that exist to keep logs and store such archival information.  After that's established, then they can be theoretically adapted to join new messaging platforms and just assimilate them into the existing infrastructure
[2025-08-12 19:29:41] <Lucifer_arma_> as for the pis, if I can get one pi to work that way for kdenlive renders, then I do have the other two here that I can get running and get Landru back up to some extent
[2025-08-12 19:29:41] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| as for the pis, if I can get one pi to work that way for kdenlive renders, then I do have the other two here that I can get running and get Landru back up to some extent
[2025-08-12 19:29:59] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm still limited by power, but also by the fact that I don't have a way to get them all networked to each other, quite yet
[2025-08-12 19:30:00] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm still limited by power, but also by the fact that I don't have a way to get them all networked to each other, quite yet
[2025-08-12 19:31:53] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| delinquent has tried around with essentially a self-hosted discord clone already and gotten the bridge to here to work, so something like that might do it in the long run, yeah
[2025-08-12 19:31:53] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| delinquent has tried around with essentially a self-hosted discord clone already and gotten the bridge to here to work, so something like that might do it in the long run, yeah
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| The vast majority of chat platforms are indeed bridgeable. There *were* plans for a more comprehensive bridge that would also allow for the integration of pickup on discord, revolt, and IRC, but that's on the back burner because my health has plummeted lately, and it was hard enough to concentrate at home as it was. The revolt instance is still stood up though, and most of the ch <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <delinquent> The vast majority of chat platforms are indeed bridgeable. There *were* plans for a more comprehensive bridge that would also allow for the integration of pickup on discord, revolt, and IRC, but that's on the back burner because my health has plummeted lately, and it was hard enough to concentrate at home as it was. The revolt instance is still stood up though, and most of the channels are bridged. I use it when I'm on my phone, since 
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <delinquent> like fuck am I installing discord on it. 
[2025-08-12 19:35:05] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| annels are bridged. I use it when I'm on my phone, since
[2025-08-12 19:35:07] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| like fuck am I installing discord on it.
[2025-08-12 19:35:55] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| the one caveat is that IRC users will often enough miss out on conversation, since IRC is client-oriented rather than server-oriented. There's no scrolling back to see stuff people talked about when they were logged out.
[2025-08-12 19:35:55] <delinquent> the one caveat is that IRC users will often enough miss out on conversation, since IRC is client-oriented rather than server-oriented. There's no scrolling back to see stuff people talked about when they were logged out. 
[2025-08-12 19:36:13] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| there is a way around that, though - weechat or znc serve very well as bouncers
[2025-08-12 19:36:13] <delinquent> there is a way around that, though - weechat or znc serve very well as bouncers
[2025-08-12 19:36:40] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| oh that's what I was actually going to suggest Lucifer_arma_, we could potentially host a bouncer on the retrocycles site
[2025-08-12 19:36:40] <delinquent> oh that's what I was actually going to suggest Lucifer_arma_, we could potentially host a bouncer on the retrocycles site
[2025-08-12 19:36:56] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| although I have no idea if a user-agnostic bouncer esxists...
[2025-08-12 19:36:56] <delinquent> although I have no idea if a user-agnostic bouncer esxists...
[2025-08-12 19:41:31] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh neat does revolt have an app or is it over a "normal website"?
[2025-08-12 19:41:31] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh neat does revolt have an app or is it over a "normal website"?
[2025-08-12 19:43:20] <Lucifer_arma_> yeah, you don't have to worry about users on their individual chat platforms being able to scroll in their clients to view backlog.  If you can get the backlog posted somewhere like on a website, like we used to do in the olden days with irc, then people can browse there
[2025-08-12 19:43:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| yeah, you don't have to worry about users on their individual chat platforms being able to scroll in their clients to view backlog.  If you can get the backlog posted somewhere like on a website, like we used to do in the olden days with irc, then people can browse there
[2025-08-12 19:44:10] <Lucifer_arma_> and I get the health issue.  I also had a relapse in the last couple of months that caused some problems, but I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and she gave me something that's got me sober again
[2025-08-12 19:44:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and I get the health issue.  I also had a relapse in the last couple of months that caused some problems, but I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and she gave me something that's got me sober again
[2025-08-12 19:46:28] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i have irc logs on my website ( https://www.armanelgtron.tk/aa/IRC/ ), although its a bit messy since its capturing both #armagetron channels at once that are also bridged together
[2025-08-12 19:46:28] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| i have irc logs on my website ( https://www.armanelgtron.tk/aa/IRC/ ), although its a bit messy since its capturing both #armagetron channels at once that are also bridged together
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[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Using Discord as our primary communication unearthed this game for another solid 5 years. It wasn't a bad idea, it was the best we could do with what we had at the time, and a platform that most people were already starting to use.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Using Discord as our primary communication unearthed this game for another solid 5 years. It wasn't a bad idea, it was the best we could do with what we had at the time, and a platform that most people were already starting to use.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| There are definitely issues with the infrastructure that's been built around the game, but the infrastructure was just built to support the game and fill out gaps since the game is basically in maintenance only status, not being actively developed.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| There are definitely issues with the infrastructure that's been built around the game, but the infrastructure was just built to support the game and fill out gaps since the game is basically in maintenance only status, not being actively developed.
[2025-08-12 21:05:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Completely agree with ellis that the process to start playing that he outlined is a huge killer. Not that I have any solutions that won't require a ton of work for that heh, sorry. An easier flow though if dev work wasn't an issue might be, sign up option in the game, opens a browser with auth options to sign up with email, discord, google, etc, some sort of auth token stored for <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:05:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Completely agree with ellis that the process to start playing that he outlined is a huge killer. Not that I have any solutions that won't require a ton of work for that heh, sorry. An easier flow though if dev work wasn't an issue might be, sign up option in the game, opens a browser with auth options to sign up with email, discord, google, etc, some sort of auth token stored for <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:05:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu|  a while on your client that can be mapped and verified by an arma auth. All a pain in the butt probably 😂
[2025-08-12 21:05:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu|  a while on your client that can be mapped and verified by an arma auth. All a pain in the butt probably 😂
[2025-08-12 21:09:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| ya I did make a twitch+selenium bot that used my api to randomly pick matches, then find it on nelg's site for playback. Had some commands you could put in chat like !skip to go to next match, some to switch POV on the client, search for a player POV by name, find a match with a player. Problem was I just had it running on my pc and using obs there, I didn't make it more automate <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| ya I did make a twitch+selenium bot that used my api to randomly pick matches, then find it on nelg's site for playback. Had some commands you could put in chat like !skip to go to next match, some to switch POV on the client, search for a player POV by name, find a match with a player. Problem was I just had it running on my pc and using obs there, I didn't make it more automate <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| d where you could run it on a server easily and figure out obs on that
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| d where you could run it on a server easily and figure out obs on that
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