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[2025-08-02 11:21:57] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:pizzzzzzzaaa| Fuck israel
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[2025-08-02 17:20:55] <Lucifer_arma_> ok, here's a weird problem for me. It's a coding style problem
[2025-08-02 17:20:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| ok, here's a weird problem for me. It's a coding style problem
[2025-08-02 17:21:12] <Lucifer_arma_> I want an animation to set a member designating if it has a current frame to show
[2025-08-02 17:21:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I want an animation to set a member designating if it has a current frame to show
[2025-08-02 17:21:17] <Lucifer_arma_> Naturally, I need to test that
[2025-08-02 17:21:18] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Naturally, I need to test that
[2025-08-02 17:21:32] <Lucifer_arma_> so I want to make a method has_frame to return the status of that member
[2025-08-02 17:21:32] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so I want to make a method has_frame to return the status of that member
[2025-08-02 17:21:34] <Lucifer_arma_> simple enough
[2025-08-02 17:21:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| simple enough
[2025-08-02 17:21:51] <Lucifer_arma_> but to set that member, I want to use has_frame to set it, too.
[2025-08-02 17:21:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but to set that member, I want to use has_frame to set it, too.
[2025-08-02 17:22:05] <Lucifer_arma_> So if you say if has_frame() == True, you test the value of that member
[2025-08-02 17:22:05] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| So if you say if has_frame() == True, you test the value of that member
[2025-08-02 17:22:15] <Lucifer_arma_> but if you say has_frame(True), you set the value of that member
[2025-08-02 17:22:16] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but if you say has_frame(True), you set the value of that member
[2025-08-02 17:22:27] <Lucifer_arma_> it feels right, but at the same time, it mildly offends me
[2025-08-02 17:22:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it feels right, but at the same time, it mildly offends me
[2025-08-02 17:25:44] <Lucifer_arma_> the question is: is this reasonable? Usually we have a separate getter and setter for something like this, but I have a vague memory of doing it differently at some point in the past, like a long time ago
[2025-08-02 17:25:44] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the question is: is this reasonable? Usually we have a separate getter and setter for something like this, but I have a vague memory of doing it differently at some point in the past, like a long time ago
[2025-08-02 18:26:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In C# you might use an overload for that. So you'd have a class with the following:
[2025-08-02 18:26:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In C# you might use an overload for that. So you'd have a class with the following:
[2025-08-02 18:26:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```C#
[2025-08-02 18:26:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```C#
[2025-08-02 18:26:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| private bool hasFrame = false;
[2025-08-02 18:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| private bool hasFrame = false;
[2025-08-02 18:26:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame()
[2025-08-02 18:26:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame()
[2025-08-02 18:26:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2025-08-02 18:26:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2025-08-02 18:26:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| return hasFrame;
[2025-08-02 18:26:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| return hasFrame;
[2025-08-02 18:26:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2025-08-02 18:26:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2025-08-02 18:26:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame(bool setFrame)
[2025-08-02 18:26:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame(bool setFrame)
[2025-08-02 18:26:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2025-08-02 18:26:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2025-08-02 18:26:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hasFrame = setFrame;
[2025-08-02 18:26:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hasFrame = setFrame;
[2025-08-02 18:26:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2025-08-02 18:26:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2025-08-02 18:26:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2025-08-02 18:26:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2025-08-02 18:26:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could also use accessors, true:
[2025-08-02 18:26:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could also use accessors, true:
[2025-08-02 18:26:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```C#
[2025-08-02 18:26:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```C#
[2025-08-02 18:26:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| private bool hasFrame = false;
[2025-08-02 18:26:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| private bool hasFrame = false;
[2025-08-02 18:26:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame { get { return hasFrame; } set { hasFrame = value; }}
[2025-08-02 18:26:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| public HasFrame { get { return hasFrame; } set { hasFrame = value; }}
[2025-08-02 18:26:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2025-08-02 18:26:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2025-08-02 18:26:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I think you might also get away with using an enum for this too, depending on whether or not you also want to include other information - like the frame number, the amount of frames after the next, or perhaps whether or not the animation is paused, playing, loaded, or finished (note: no subesequent frame does not imply finished, it might be the case that a frame is missing, hence the includsion)
[2025-08-02 18:26:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I think you might also get away with using an enum for this too, depending on whether or not you also want to include other information - like the frame number, the amount of frames after the next, or perhaps whether or not the animation is paused, playing, loaded, or finished (note: no subesequent frame does not imply finished, it might be the case that a frame is missing, hence the includsion)
[2025-08-02 18:26:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao I forgot I configured the bridge to do that.
[2025-08-02 18:26:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao I forgot I configured the bridge to do that.
[2025-08-02 18:27:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lucifer_arma_ ^^
[2025-08-02 18:27:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lucifer_arma_ ^^
[2025-08-02 18:28:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| an enum can be used as a cleaner way to do overloading, in some circumstances, but I forget whether or not it can access methods
[2025-08-02 18:28:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| an enum can be used as a cleaner way to do overloading, in some circumstances, but I forget whether or not it can access methods
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[2025-08-02 21:11:36] <Lucifer_arma_> my concern is the idiom. If you call it without arguments, you get a True/False and it's a test. If you call it with arguments, it's a setter
[2025-08-02 21:11:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| my concern is the idiom. If you call it without arguments, you get a True/False and it's a test. If you call it with arguments, it's a setter
[2025-08-02 21:11:56] <Lucifer_arma_> usually you use different method names for getters and setters
[2025-08-02 21:11:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| usually you use different method names for getters and setters
[2025-08-02 21:12:23] <Lucifer_arma_> in python, you'd implement has_frame as a property, give it a setter and a getter, and then do a little magic to assign them to the property
[2025-08-02 21:12:24] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| in python, you'd implement has_frame as a property, give it a setter and a getter, and then do a little magic to assign them to the property
[2025-08-02 21:12:30] <Lucifer_arma_> but that's overkill for this situation
[2025-08-02 21:12:31] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but that's overkill for this situation
[2025-08-02 21:13:13] <Lucifer_arma_> I ended up going a slightly different direction when I realized I should use update() methods like in a simulation, since animation is just a simulation
[2025-08-02 21:13:14] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I ended up going a slightly different direction when I realized I should use update() methods like in a simulation, since animation is just a simulation
[2025-08-02 21:13:49] <Lucifer_arma_> so I made a _has_frame member variable for the class, since that member is only ever set from within the class anyway, and made has_frame() to return the value of that member
[2025-08-02 21:13:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so I made a _has_frame member variable for the class, since that member is only ever set from within the class anyway, and made has_frame() to return the value of that member
[2025-08-02 21:14:48] <Lucifer_arma_> but anyway, generally we explicitly name getters and setters differently to avoid dumb coding problems that come from using the same name and to explicitly show the getter and setter
[2025-08-02 21:14:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but anyway, generally we explicitly name getters and setters differently to avoid dumb coding problems that come from using the same name and to explicitly show the getter and setter
[2025-08-02 21:15:43] <Lucifer_arma_> but I have a vague memory of doing something like this before where when you call the function, if you pass it something, it's a setter, and if you don't, it's a getter
[2025-08-02 21:15:44] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but I have a vague memory of doing something like this before where when you call the function, if you pass it something, it's a setter, and if you don't, it's a getter
[2025-08-02 21:15:48] <Lucifer_arma_> so in python:
[2025-08-02 21:15:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so in python:
[2025-08-02 21:16:19] <Lucifer_arma_> def has_frame(value = None): if value is None: return _has_frame; else: _has_frame = value
[2025-08-02 21:16:19] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| def has_frame(value = None): if value is None: return _has_frame; else: _has_frame = value
[2025-08-02 21:16:33] <Lucifer_arma_> of course, there would also be type checks to ensure that whatever value is, it can only be true or false
[2025-08-02 21:16:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| of course, there would also be type checks to ensure that whatever value is, it can only be true or false
[2025-08-02 21:16:55] <Lucifer_arma_> anyway, I'm off for now
[2025-08-02 21:16:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| anyway, I'm off for now
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[2025-08-03 06:32:28] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Luci has almost certainly gone, but for the record this is how c# syntax specifies public and private members, and how you use getters and setters. The private member is camel case, and the public member is title case.
[2025-08-03 06:32:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Luci has almost certainly gone, but for the record this is how c# syntax specifies public and private members, and how you use getters and setters. The private member is camel case, and the public member is title case.
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[2025-08-09 11:37:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:!╭˚.✦ Rx.Luigi ✦.˚╮!| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1403764132313829376/message.txt?ex=6898bcb9&is=68976b39&hm=465e0edce4b9bd4163f77e683ffea81631cb53d163245196eaffdd3c673da3c0&
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[2025-08-09 16:14:55] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| Hi guys, i'm back
[2025-08-09 16:14:55] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| Hi guys, i'm back
[2025-08-09 16:24:30] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| As my new accouint
[2025-08-09 16:24:30] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| As my new accouint
[2025-08-09 16:49:59] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| hi guys
[2025-08-09 16:50:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| hi guys
[2025-08-09 16:50:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| ive just started this game
[2025-08-09 16:50:07] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| ive just started this game
[2025-08-09 16:50:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| but its really fun
[2025-08-09 16:50:11] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| but its really fun
[2025-08-09 16:57:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| is there anyone playing ts rn
[2025-08-09 16:57:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| is there anyone playing ts rn
[2025-08-09 16:57:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| and if so how does one join
[2025-08-09 16:57:52] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| and if so how does one join
[2025-08-09 17:36:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| yooo welcome @burntbread8
[2025-08-09 17:36:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| yooo welcome @burntbread8
[2025-08-09 17:37:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| tell ur friends u know this is a brand new game coming up
[2025-08-09 17:37:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| tell ur friends u know this is a brand new game coming up
[2025-08-09 17:37:43] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I showed one of my friends and he ragequit in 20 minutes 😭😭
[2025-08-09 17:37:43] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I showed one of my friends and he ragequit in 20 minutes 😭😭
[2025-08-09 17:43:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| itsss
[2025-08-09 17:43:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| itsss
[2025-08-09 17:43:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| complicated
[2025-08-09 17:43:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| complicated
[2025-08-09 17:44:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| not like any other game. you rage for 95% of the time for 5% of pure bliss
[2025-08-09 17:44:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| not like any other game. you rage for 95% of the time for 5% of pure bliss
[2025-08-09 17:44:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| but it’s worth it
[2025-08-09 17:44:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| but it’s worth it
[2025-08-09 17:45:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I killed one guy a few rounds ago and started cheering
[2025-08-09 17:45:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I killed one guy a few rounds ago and started cheering
[2025-08-09 17:52:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| the halls of glory will soon whisper thy name
[2025-08-09 17:52:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| the halls of glory will soon whisper thy name
[2025-08-09 17:57:23] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I’m the #1 player ever
[2025-08-09 17:57:23] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| I’m the #1 player ever
[2025-08-09 17:57:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| Yous just don’t know it yet
[2025-08-09 17:57:29] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| Yous just don’t know it yet
[2025-08-09 18:28:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2025-08-09 18:28:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2025-08-09 18:28:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| good attitude
[2025-08-09 18:28:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| good attitude
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[2025-08-10 16:53:52] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| Hi guys
[2025-08-10 16:53:52] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:graxaim_de_sketch| Hi guys
[2025-08-10 16:58:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| hey @graxaim_de_sketch 👋
[2025-08-10 16:58:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| hey @graxaim_de_sketch 👋
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[2025-08-10 20:10:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:burntbread8| im bringing a friend on up here
[2025-08-10 20:10:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:burntbread8| im bringing a friend on up here
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[2025-08-11 23:22:22] <dave> yay, new laptop
[2025-08-11 23:22:22] <armagetronbridge> 07irc:dave| yay, new laptop
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[2025-08-12 02:37:04] <Lucifer_arma_> finally sitting in my van using a computer again. This is good. :)
[2025-08-12 02:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| finally sitting in my van using a computer again. This is good. :)
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[2025-08-12 07:52:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| wtb active community that i can sit and yap in all day while i work
[2025-08-12 07:52:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| wtb active community that i can sit and yap in all day while i work
[2025-08-12 07:53:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| can we restart conversations around marketing and engagement?
[2025-08-12 07:53:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| can we restart conversations around marketing and engagement?
[2025-08-12 07:56:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i was talking with @sanityarc @vllis @justkoala about this and we came up with some good ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i was talking with @sanityarc @vllis @justkoala about this and we came up with some good ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 1. Try get in VC where possible during TST matches to commentate and add 'hype'
[2025-08-12 07:56:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 1. Try get in VC where possible during TST matches to commentate and add 'hype'
[2025-08-12 07:56:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 2. Where live commentary can't be achieved maybe we can be 'paid actors' and do it retrospectively
[2025-08-12 07:56:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 2. Where live commentary can't be achieved maybe we can be 'paid actors' and do it retrospectively
[2025-08-12 07:56:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| 3. With the above 2, just frantic clips of both the community and the skill cap. These things are our leverage
[2025-08-12 07:56:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| 3. With the above 2, just frantic clips of both the community and the skill cap. These things are our leverage
[2025-08-12 07:56:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Other more esoteric ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Other more esoteric ideas
[2025-08-12 07:56:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Can we manipulate the TST script to extract clips automatically using core dump messages in succession (double kills, etc)?
[2025-08-12 07:56:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Can we manipulate the TST script to extract clips automatically using core dump messages in succession (double kills, etc)?
[2025-08-12 07:56:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Are there other data driven techniques that our TST scripts could use to increase cross channel promotion? I imagine a future where it could auto stream, announce games on different channels, etc
[2025-08-12 07:56:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Are there other data driven techniques that our TST scripts could use to increase cross channel promotion? I imagine a future where it could auto stream, announce games on different channels, etc
[2025-08-12 07:57:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I accept that im probably mostly alone in my existential fear of this collapsing. In many ways it already has. I have introduced now 5-10 people to the game that can't make it stick because of one reason or another, but without a doubt the biggest issue we face is that for 99% of the day the serverlist shows a big fat 0 players online
[2025-08-12 07:57:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I accept that im probably mostly alone in my existential fear of this collapsing. In many ways it already has. I have introduced now 5-10 people to the game that can't make it stick because of one reason or another, but without a doubt the biggest issue we face is that for 99% of the day the serverlist shows a big fat 0 players online
[2025-08-12 07:57:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| For all intents and purposes this is a dead game, and I think we should be moving with a similar level of panic
[2025-08-12 07:57:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| For all intents and purposes this is a dead game, and I think we should be moving with a similar level of panic
[2025-08-12 07:58:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Otherwise your legacies and your memories will be forgotten
[2025-08-12 07:58:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Otherwise your legacies and your memories will be forgotten
[2025-08-12 08:10:44] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| if i remember right nanu used his stat recording data to replay pickup matches and he streamed them constantly for some time to twitch
[2025-08-12 08:10:44] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| if i remember right nanu used his stat recording data to replay pickup matches and he streamed them constantly for some time to twitch
[2025-08-12 08:14:20] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| but i agree there is an endless amount of ideas for interesting content revolving around the game that could be entertaining for current players and potential exposure to new players
[2025-08-12 08:14:20] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| but i agree there is an endless amount of ideas for interesting content revolving around the game that could be entertaining for current players and potential exposure to new players
[2025-08-12 08:15:51] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| and whats cool about tron and specifically fort / tst in this case is if u watch one match through even just spectating a few players you'll probably have quite a few usable clips which we have the power to do with nelgs playback feature on his website
[2025-08-12 08:15:51] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| and whats cool about tron and specifically fort / tst in this case is if u watch one match through even just spectating a few players you'll probably have quite a few usable clips which we have the power to do with nelgs playback feature on his website
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[2025-08-12 10:04:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| there's historically been a summer slowdown p much every year, even at the peak of the playerbase, but ya it's def concerning atm
[2025-08-12 10:04:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| there's historically been a summer slowdown p much every year, even at the peak of the playerbase, but ya it's def concerning atm
[2025-08-12 10:05:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| those who raised the "pickup will ruin tron" flag, will ultimately prove right 😂
[2025-08-12 10:05:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| those who raised the "pickup will ruin tron" flag, will ultimately prove right 😂
[2025-08-12 10:06:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| also agree with you, no success in trying to introduce new people to the game. Whether it's the old style menus, skill diff, or something else, it's really hard to get people to stick around with so many other options
[2025-08-12 10:07:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| also agree with you, no success in trying to introduce new people to the game. Whether it's the old style menus, skill diff, or something else, it's really hard to get people to stick around with so many other options
[2025-08-12 10:20:42] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I’d also bet that there is actually a decent amount of people that download the game and check it out but I feel like they trickle in one at a time and even if the game was flawless in every way you’re not gonna stay if you see every server empty
[2025-08-12 10:20:42] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I’d also bet that there is actually a decent amount of people that download the game and check it out but I feel like they trickle in one at a time and even if the game was flawless in every way you’re not gonna stay if you see every server empty
[2025-08-12 10:39:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Yes exactly the reason I'm constantly raising this and not yet hopeless is the fact we do have a handful of active, collaborative, creative individuals that have, and could, create things like this in order to gain some footing
[2025-08-12 10:39:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Yes exactly the reason I'm constantly raising this and not yet hopeless is the fact we do have a handful of active, collaborative, creative individuals that have, and could, create things like this in order to gain some footing
[2025-08-12 10:39:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I just think our shared talents are too much in tech and not enough in gtm, marketing, advertisement, seo, engagement etc
[2025-08-12 10:39:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I just think our shared talents are too much in tech and not enough in gtm, marketing, advertisement, seo, engagement etc
[2025-08-12 10:40:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| and naturally the whole revenue issue permits us from getting overly creative. this i think though plays into our strengths so not overly concerned
[2025-08-12 10:40:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| and naturally the whole revenue issue permits us from getting overly creative. this i think though plays into our strengths so not overly concerned
[2025-08-12 10:40:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i did think about some sort of program where i pay clippers for every x thousand views. this is a very healthy way to grow other channels and it will probably work with tron too
[2025-08-12 10:40:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i did think about some sort of program where i pay clippers for every x thousand views. this is a very healthy way to grow other channels and it will probably work with tron too
[2025-08-12 10:41:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| or maybe we all collectively pay clippers or content creators if they have proven to be an effective funnel for new players
[2025-08-12 10:41:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| or maybe we all collectively pay clippers or content creators if they have proven to be an effective funnel for new players
[2025-08-12 10:41:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| but idk i dont really want to talk about money i want to do this creatively and in the nature of armagetron ie homebrewed open source relying on nobody
[2025-08-12 10:41:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| but idk i dont really want to talk about money i want to do this creatively and in the nature of armagetron ie homebrewed open source relying on nobody
[2025-08-12 10:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| the thing is it cant be helped. at the same time the overall community was dying the semi-pro community was getting more and more established with higher and higher requirements for a "good" game. You cant blame pros for wanting high quality games
[2025-08-12 10:42:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| the thing is it cant be helped. at the same time the overall community was dying the semi-pro community was getting more and more established with higher and higher requirements for a "good" game. You cant blame pros for wanting high quality games
[2025-08-12 10:43:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| we can blame ourselves for not taking into account that this is effectively gatekeeping since even if you did convince a brand new player to come here, add, auth up, theyre still going to leave early after not understanding they signed up for what is effectively the highest tier of competition this game has to offer
[2025-08-12 10:43:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| we can blame ourselves for not taking into account that this is effectively gatekeeping since even if you did convince a brand new player to come here, add, auth up, theyre still going to leave early after not understanding they signed up for what is effectively the highest tier of competition this game has to offer
[2025-08-12 10:44:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| these days id be more hyped if we got a full tst lobby discussing how to increase the grandeur and reach instead of silently binding for 15 mins
[2025-08-12 10:44:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| these days id be more hyped if we got a full tst lobby discussing how to increase the grandeur and reach instead of silently binding for 15 mins
[2025-08-12 10:45:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| if you take the metaphor to the extreme that we dont have casual football games anymore, only premier league games, then it kinda sticks. its simply too intimidating
[2025-08-12 10:45:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| if you take the metaphor to the extreme that we dont have casual football games anymore, only premier league games, then it kinda sticks. its simply too intimidating
[2025-08-12 10:46:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| ya exactly, we want to play slightly more competitive games, but it's killed off hanging in public servers completely
[2025-08-12 10:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| ya exactly, we want to play slightly more competitive games, but it's killed off hanging in public servers completely
[2025-08-12 10:47:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| I mean football, the most casual games are still "pickups", it's just scheduled more consistently maybe so people know when to gather and play?
[2025-08-12 10:47:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| I mean football, the most casual games are still "pickups", it's just scheduled more consistently maybe so people know when to gather and play?
[2025-08-12 10:47:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| We were doing that with fort for a bit
[2025-08-12 10:47:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| We were doing that with fort for a bit
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I think pickup has massive drawbacks like being a killer for casual gameplay / players but it also makes sense if you look at other competitive games being able to queue up and play against other people in an organized way, it's just unfortunate that in almost every game the casual population is far greater than the competitive population and with a player base as small as ours w <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I think pickup has massive drawbacks like being a killer for casual gameplay / players but it also makes sense if you look at other competitive games being able to queue up and play against other people in an organized way, it's just unfortunate that in almost every game the casual population is far greater than the competitive population and with a player base as small as ours w <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| e feel it when the casual game play is kinda left behind
[2025-08-12 10:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| e feel it when the casual game play is kinda left behind
[2025-08-12 10:49:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| you run into this with real life sports too, when the skill gap is super high it's not as enjoyable for the top tier or the low tier when mixed together
[2025-08-12 10:49:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| you run into this with real life sports too, when the skill gap is super high it's not as enjoyable for the top tier or the low tier when mixed together
[2025-08-12 10:50:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| so you have divisions or something by skill level or pickups marketed towards differing skill levels
[2025-08-12 10:50:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| so you have divisions or something by skill level or pickups marketed towards differing skill levels
[2025-08-12 10:50:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| we just don't have the pool to support that
[2025-08-12 10:50:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| we just don't have the pool to support that
[2025-08-12 10:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| pub tournaments have always felt like a good middle ground to get started with rebuilding a casual culture
[2025-08-12 10:50:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| pub tournaments have always felt like a good middle ground to get started with rebuilding a casual culture
[2025-08-12 10:51:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| kinda like casual chess tournaments you join play x games or smth when you can
[2025-08-12 10:51:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| kinda like casual chess tournaments you join play x games or smth when you can
[2025-08-12 10:51:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| what do you mean by pub tournament?
[2025-08-12 10:51:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| what do you mean by pub tournament?
[2025-08-12 10:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| oh I see
[2025-08-12 10:51:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| oh I see
[2025-08-12 10:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i admit that it doesnt get around the issue that its still pre-planned but its a good middle ground in having an inviting server name and the ability to immediately play
[2025-08-12 10:52:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i admit that it doesnt get around the issue that its still pre-planned but its a good middle ground in having an inviting server name and the ability to immediately play
[2025-08-12 10:54:01] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| A lot of the game is almost in accessible for new players as well I feel like, there are so many important and vital settings people would WANT to change but would never know they have the capability to without digging through forums or wiki for settings which no new player is prolly ever gonna do and the settings you do see in the game itself are hard to understand for most people I'd imagine
[2025-08-12 10:54:01] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| A lot of the game is almost in accessible for new players as well I feel like, there are so many important and vital settings people would WANT to change but would never know they have the capability to without digging through forums or wiki for settings which no new player is prolly ever gonna do and the settings you do see in the game itself are hard to understand for most people I'd imagine
[2025-08-12 10:54:29] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| I've had 16 years of playing this game to understand what "Mipmap Trilinear" means but I just associate changing the graphic quality to left and right for worse and better
[2025-08-12 10:54:29] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| I've had 16 years of playing this game to understand what "Mipmap Trilinear" means but I just associate changing the graphic quality to left and right for worse and better
[2025-08-12 11:07:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| yeah indeed also a common conversation i have with people is around client challenges and the potential wins of giving the client a makeover to add in greater customisation/personalisation/auth/leaderboards/friends/profiles/stats etc
[2025-08-12 11:07:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| yeah indeed also a common conversation i have with people is around client challenges and the potential wins of giving the client a makeover to add in greater customisation/personalisation/auth/leaderboards/friends/profiles/stats etc
[2025-08-12 11:07:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| but before long this conversation gets unwieldly with a bunch of potential actions and outcomes and ultimately not a lot of actual output
[2025-08-12 11:07:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| but before long this conversation gets unwieldly with a bunch of potential actions and outcomes and ultimately not a lot of actual output
[2025-08-12 11:08:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i think we need to have a longer conversation to bring the focus down to a manageable group of initiatives that we can iteratively invest into
[2025-08-12 11:08:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i think we need to have a longer conversation to bring the focus down to a manageable group of initiatives that we can iteratively invest into
[2025-08-12 11:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| starting with some beautiful reusable soundbites ive extracted
[2025-08-12 11:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| starting with some beautiful reusable soundbites ive extracted
[2025-08-12 11:54:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855596720721990/just_get_SHIT_ONN.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=baedd46bdedf9997ec9b3835e8e927744183ee082cc8c05bec87974e7f98d6db&
[2025-08-12 11:54:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855596720721990/just_get_SHIT_ONN.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=baedd46bdedf9997ec9b3835e8e927744183ee082cc8c05bec87974e7f98d6db&
[2025-08-12 11:54:38] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597202935880/koala_sus.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=d34fb36f8f2dcad2cec4d6b0a90da69aa29b350c9c95e120b6335daf34306dba&
[2025-08-12 11:54:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597202935880/koala_sus.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=d34fb36f8f2dcad2cec4d6b0a90da69aa29b350c9c95e120b6335daf34306dba&
[2025-08-12 11:54:39] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597534412830/noodz_PLEASE.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=59feafd6070267c9e97fd9f3a73131cd8cf9593a6a20d245d998b2eba237c41e&
[2025-08-12 11:54:39] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597534412830/noodz_PLEASE.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=59feafd6070267c9e97fd9f3a73131cd8cf9593a6a20d245d998b2eba237c41e&
[2025-08-12 11:54:40] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597869961366/sanity_questionable_noises.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=cf7d53aa49781370451ba47982cb16d1cb3bb0ff661fd5f70a42d8e28fce860b&
[2025-08-12 11:54:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855597869961366/sanity_questionable_noises.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=cf7d53aa49781370451ba47982cb16d1cb3bb0ff661fd5f70a42d8e28fce860b&
[2025-08-12 11:54:41] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855598184402954/you_piece_of_shit.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=ccfa46d67ac3303ff47b41797ee36d3dadd57dc4931cfcf1e2a1bc62f181725c&
[2025-08-12 11:54:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404855598184402954/you_piece_of_shit.mp3?ex=689cb53b&is=689b63bb&hm=ccfa46d67ac3303ff47b41797ee36d3dadd57dc4931cfcf1e2a1bc62f181725c&
[2025-08-12 11:57:56] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and i also mixed them to sound a bit better
[2025-08-12 11:57:56] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and i also mixed them to sound a bit better
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| i like this one too @vllis
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404859370306670673/sanity_audio.mp3?ex=689cb8be&is=689b673e&hm=bbd43d4cae0893447d533913fd2e9f5314e5309bb69ef754e90a02f4748da511&
[2025-08-12 12:09:35] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| i like this one too @vllis
[2025-08-12 12:09:36] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1404859370306670673/sanity_audio.mp3?ex=689cb8be&is=689b673e&hm=bbd43d4cae0893447d533913fd2e9f5314e5309bb69ef754e90a02f4748da511&
[2025-08-12 12:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257
[2025-08-12 12:09:51] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257
[2025-08-12 12:16:44] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - A pub server with a leaderboard just like pickup would be cool. Something like Sumo bar where it only logs scores if 5 or more players are in server from start of round.
[2025-08-12 12:16:44] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - A pub server with a leaderboard just like pickup would be cool. Something like Sumo bar where it only logs scores if 5 or more players are in server from start of round.
[2025-08-12 12:16:45] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of prize pool server would be fun too. Even if its just 1-2 dollar buy in for a monthly comp. If word gets out that there are paid tournaments of any kind, that could bring people to tron and keep them interested in improving their skills.
[2025-08-12 12:16:45] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of prize pool server would be fun too. Even if its just 1-2 dollar buy in for a monthly comp. If word gets out that there are paid tournaments of any kind, that could bring people to tron and keep them interested in improving their skills.
[2025-08-12 12:16:46] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of in game map and game mode editor would be nice. Im thinking forge from halo 3 type thing. Would make server hosting so much easier for potatoes like myself. I know id spend 100s of hours in something like that. Trying to figure out what alot of the console commands do with no visual representation is a slow and tedious experience.
[2025-08-12 12:16:46] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Some sort of in game map and game mode editor would be nice. Im thinking forge from halo 3 type thing. Would make server hosting so much easier for potatoes like myself. I know id spend 100s of hours in something like that. Trying to figure out what alot of the console commands do with no visual representation is a slow and tedious experience.
[2025-08-12 12:16:47] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| -Having a centralized website would also be cool, having the forums, sinewave's & wiki guides, pickup leaderboards, web browser version of tron etc all navigated from one website.
[2025-08-12 12:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| -Having a centralized website would also be cool, having the forums, sinewave's & wiki guides, pickup leaderboards, web browser version of tron etc all navigated from one website.
[2025-08-12 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Auto streaming all pickup matches on twitch/youtube/kick
[2025-08-12 12:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| - Auto streaming all pickup matches on twitch/youtube/kick
[2025-08-12 12:34:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Triaging in subjective difficulty
[2025-08-12 12:34:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Triaging in subjective difficulty
[2025-08-12 12:34:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Pub server - 2/10 - very easy
[2025-08-12 12:34:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Pub server - 2/10 - very easy
[2025-08-12 12:34:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - Prize pool server - 5/10 - some scripting setup required
[2025-08-12 12:34:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - Prize pool server - 5/10 - some scripting setup required
[2025-08-12 12:34:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - In game map mode editor - 10/10 - someone else would have to do this lol
[2025-08-12 12:34:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - In game map mode editor - 10/10 - someone else would have to do this lol
[2025-08-12 12:34:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - centralized website - 6/10 - hard mostly for content
[2025-08-12 12:34:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - centralized website - 6/10 - hard mostly for content
[2025-08-12 12:34:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - auto streaming pikcup - 4/10 - mostly liasing with nelg/nanu on setting up a randomised loop stream
[2025-08-12 12:34:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - auto streaming pikcup - 4/10 - mostly liasing with nelg/nanu on setting up a randomised loop stream
[2025-08-12 12:34:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| - in game movie packs - 8/10 - packs are ok but achievements is not so simple
[2025-08-12 12:34:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| - in game movie packs - 8/10 - packs are ok but achievements is not so simple
[2025-08-12 14:09:21] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Would be cool to have more pub games going around the Tron 3 release
[2025-08-12 14:09:21] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Would be cool to have more pub games going around the Tron 3 release
[2025-08-12 14:17:16] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Is there a way we could pair players against eachother based on current scores in a pub server? Only server that I remember did this was the old Ww Sumo (Sumo two)
[2025-08-12 14:17:16] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Is there a way we could pair players against eachother based on current scores in a pub server? Only server that I remember did this was the old Ww Sumo (Sumo two)
[2025-08-12 14:18:18] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| Agility's Sumo-Two does this when there are 5 or more players
[2025-08-12 14:18:18] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| Agility's Sumo-Two does this when there are 5 or more players
[2025-08-12 14:18:27] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| on current scores
[2025-08-12 14:18:27] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| on current scores
[2025-08-12 14:19:09] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Maybe a king of the hill 1v1 server could be fun (4 1v1s happening)
[2025-08-12 14:19:09] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Maybe a king of the hill 1v1 server could be fun (4 1v1s happening)
[2025-08-12 14:20:21] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Also I always liked CTF for onboarding new players, doesn't look like there's any servers around anymore though. Wouldn't mind sponsoring one if there's still interest
[2025-08-12 14:20:21] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Also I always liked CTF for onboarding new players, doesn't look like there's any servers around anymore though. Wouldn't mind sponsoring one if there's still interest
[2025-08-12 14:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| CTF is rough when half the players crash at the end of the round
[2025-08-12 14:43:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| CTF is rough when half the players crash at the end of the round
[2025-08-12 14:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| not sure if that's been solved
[2025-08-12 14:43:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| not sure if that's been solved
[2025-08-12 14:43:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| or we can adjust it so the rounds are shorter or something
[2025-08-12 14:43:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| or we can adjust it so the rounds are shorter or something
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[2025-08-12 15:05:42] <Lucifer_arma> well, the guy that sold me my new-to-me laptop said my old one crapped out so soon because it was an IdeaPad. The new one is a ThinkPad, and is supposedly a lot more durable
[2025-08-12 15:05:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, the guy that sold me my new-to-me laptop said my old one crapped out so soon because it was an IdeaPad. The new one is a ThinkPad, and is supposedly a lot more durable
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[2025-08-12 15:29:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| not accepting the change of topic
[2025-08-12 15:29:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| not accepting the change of topic
[2025-08-12 15:29:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| the topic is: preventing the death of this game
[2025-08-12 15:29:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| the topic is: preventing the death of this game
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[2025-08-12 15:43:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| imo the client is too outdated this game will never be popular again
[2025-08-12 15:43:51] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| imo the client is too outdated this game will never be popular again
[2025-08-12 15:45:49] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| nobody wants to sort through overly complex texture filtering options without knowing what any of it means to make their game look nice
[2025-08-12 15:45:49] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| nobody wants to sort through overly complex texture filtering options without knowing what any of it means to make their game look nice
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and as it stands, certainly nobody wants to be forced to sign up to discord , learn how to queue, get into a game, then realise they need to go to a website to create an account, answer obscure questions from a now classic movie, then sign in all just to get shit on for 15 mins by players with 15 years years experience
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and as it stands, certainly nobody wants to be forced to sign up to discord , learn how to queue, get into a game, then realise they need to go to a website to create an account, answer obscure questions from a now classic movie, then sign in all just to get shit on for 15 mins by players with 15 years years experience
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and i understand we are tryna change that, but im not sure any amount of fun gameplay ideas will reconcile the 25 year old ui
[2025-08-12 15:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and i understand we are tryna change that, but im not sure any amount of fun gameplay ideas will reconcile the 25 year old ui
[2025-08-12 15:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| to me, only real options that would genuinely bring light to this game are: make a new game, or make a new client for this game that is far more intuitive
[2025-08-12 15:49:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| to me, only real options that would genuinely bring light to this game are: make a new game, or make a new client for this game that is far more intuitive
[2025-08-12 16:00:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i’m thinking public initiatives can get the sparsely playing players on more often
[2025-08-12 16:00:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i’m thinking public initiatives can get the sparsely playing players on more often
[2025-08-12 16:00:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| there is a crazy loop when one logs on and sees 0 people
[2025-08-12 16:00:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| there is a crazy loop when one logs on and sees 0 people
[2025-08-12 16:00:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| i’m all for client modifications but that is a more involved project
[2025-08-12 16:00:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| i’m all for client modifications but that is a more involved project
[2025-08-12 16:00:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| then just like open casual wednesday or something
[2025-08-12 16:00:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| then just like open casual wednesday or something
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[2025-08-12 16:33:11] <Lucifer_arma_> it looks like your primary complaint is the infrastructure that's been built around the game
[2025-08-12 16:33:11] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it looks like your primary complaint is the infrastructure that's been built around the game
[2025-08-12 16:33:40] <Lucifer_arma_> which, honestly, is my primary complaint. One of the things keeping me off the grid, although not the primary thing by any means, is that I won't join discord just to play a one off game every now and then
[2025-08-12 16:33:40] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| which, honestly, is my primary complaint. One of the things keeping me off the grid, although not the primary thing by any means, is that I won't join discord just to play a one off game every now and then
[2025-08-12 16:36:02] <Lucifer_arma_> I agree that the ui for making the game look nice is pretty bad overall, but a new client isn't needed, strictly speaking, to make a better ui
[2025-08-12 16:36:03] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I agree that the ui for making the game look nice is pretty bad overall, but a new client isn't needed, strictly speaking, to make a better ui
[2025-08-12 16:36:22] <Lucifer_arma_> that's more a matter of someone needs to sit down and spend the time on it
[2025-08-12 16:36:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's more a matter of someone needs to sit down and spend the time on it
[2025-08-12 16:39:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the current ui api has plenty of room to add code to scan directories of textures and let you choose different textures and models and stuff.
[2025-08-12 16:39:27] <Lucifer_arma_> the current ui api has plenty of room to add code to scan directories of textures and let you choose different textures and models and stuff.
[2025-08-12 16:39:41] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| someone could start with turning moviepacks into a downloadable resource that you can just select
[2025-08-12 16:39:46] <Lucifer_arma_> someone could start with turning moviepacks into a downloadable resource that you can just select
[2025-08-12 16:40:15] <Lucifer_arma_> the original format I suggested for resources that luke-jr and I argued over and I lost (heh :) ) was that a resource without the .xml extension should exist, and it should be a gzip archive of all the files needed for the resource
[2025-08-12 16:40:15] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the original format I suggested for resources that luke-jr and I argued over and I lost (heh :) ) was that a resource without the .xml extension should exist, and it should be a gzip archive of all the files needed for the resource
[2025-08-12 16:40:25] <Lucifer_arma_> and inside that archive is the xml file that ties all of it together
[2025-08-12 16:40:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and inside that archive is the xml file that ties all of it together
[2025-08-12 16:40:56] <Lucifer_arma_> so the client would download the resource, unzip it into a directory, and then be able to access it
[2025-08-12 16:40:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so the client would download the resource, unzip it into a directory, and then be able to access it
[2025-08-12 16:41:11] <Lucifer_arma_> so the client could then scan the directory of moviepacks to generate a list for the player to choose from
[2025-08-12 16:41:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so the client could then scan the directory of moviepacks to generate a list for the player to choose from
[2025-08-12 16:41:48] <Lucifer_arma_> I was going to implement this with soundpacks originally and ultimately win the argument, but I've been sidetracked from that for like 15 years
[2025-08-12 16:41:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I was going to implement this with soundpacks originally and ultimately win the argument, but I've been sidetracked from that for like 15 years
[2025-08-12 16:42:37] <Lucifer_arma_> so some code that would be really helpful here to get there: a resource builder tool that gets integrated into the build process, and a resource extraction api that gets integrated into the client
[2025-08-12 16:42:38] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so some code that would be really helpful here to get there: a resource builder tool that gets integrated into the build process, and a resource extraction api that gets integrated into the client
[2025-08-12 16:43:09] <Lucifer_arma_> the existing resource downloading code would need minimal modifications to use this
[2025-08-12 16:43:09] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the existing resource downloading code would need minimal modifications to use this
[2025-08-12 16:43:37] <Lucifer_arma_> then just create the different resource types you think we need to be able to customize the look and feel of the client, integrate them into the UI
[2025-08-12 16:43:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then just create the different resource types you think we need to be able to customize the look and feel of the client, integrate them into the UI
[2025-08-12 16:44:06] <Lucifer_arma_> there's two places to integrate them. The first is the UI itself. So if you provide a font for the UI as a resource, obviously the UI needs to be able to use that font.
[2025-08-12 16:44:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there's two places to integrate them. The first is the UI itself. So if you provide a font for the UI as a resource, obviously the UI needs to be able to use that font.
[2025-08-12 16:44:23] <Lucifer_arma_> The moviepack code would need some changes to turn moviepacks into a resource, but not a whole lot of changes
[2025-08-12 16:44:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| The moviepack code would need some changes to turn moviepacks into a resource, but not a whole lot of changes
[2025-08-12 16:44:43] <Lucifer_arma_> the second is creating the widgets that allow the player to select the resources they want to use
[2025-08-12 16:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the second is creating the widgets that allow the player to select the resources they want to use
[2025-08-12 16:45:12] <Lucifer_arma_> there is already a basic combobox implemented, you can extend that to include a resource directory scan
[2025-08-12 16:45:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there is already a basic combobox implemented, you can extend that to include a resource directory scan
[2025-08-12 16:46:10] <Lucifer_arma_> I was going to do *that* work originally with a playlist selector, where you'd build the playlist in any external app that builds playlists and just save it to a directory that arma can scan to generate a list of playlists
[2025-08-12 16:46:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I was going to do *that* work originally with a playlist selector, where you'd build the playlist in any external app that builds playlists and just save it to a directory that arma can scan to generate a list of playlists
[2025-08-12 16:46:59] <Lucifer_arma_> that's still a somewhat trivial addition that can be made in a few hours, for someone already familiar with the code
[2025-08-12 16:46:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's still a somewhat trivial addition that can be made in a few hours, for someone already familiar with the code
[2025-08-12 16:47:28] <Lucifer_arma_> the loop I keep getting stuck in is that I'll have like 5 hours to do *something*, but it takes me 4.5 hours to get familiar enough with the code to do it, and then it can't be done in the remaining 30 minutes
[2025-08-12 16:47:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the loop I keep getting stuck in is that I'll have like 5 hours to do *something*, but it takes me 4.5 hours to get familiar enough with the code to do it, and then it can't be done in the remaining 30 minutes
[2025-08-12 16:47:55] <Lucifer_arma_> then it'll be six months to two years before I find that time again, and by then, I've lost the familiarity I had
[2025-08-12 16:47:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then it'll be six months to two years before I find that time again, and by then, I've lost the familiarity I had
[2025-08-12 16:53:34] <Lucifer_arma_> all the infrastructure issues you mentioned can be replaced with a single web app that can be tied into discord and irc to integrate the existing way people play and provide a new way for people to play
[2025-08-12 16:53:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| all the infrastructure issues you mentioned can be replaced with a single web app that can be tied into discord and irc to integrate the existing way people play and provide a new way for people to play
[2025-08-12 16:54:02] <Lucifer_arma_> remember there's an arma protocol that gets installed with the client, so if you click on an arma:// link, it'll open the game and automatically join the server
[2025-08-12 16:54:02] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| remember there's an arma protocol that gets installed with the client, so if you click on an arma:// link, it'll open the game and automatically join the server
[2025-08-12 16:55:31] <Lucifer_arma_> you can either tie that web app into the forums, or use it to provide an authority for armathentication that'll ultimately displace the forums as the standard authority
[2025-08-12 16:55:31] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| you can either tie that web app into the forums, or use it to provide an authority for armathentication that'll ultimately displace the forums as the standard authority
[2025-08-12 16:56:26] <Lucifer_arma_> smaller versions, incomplete, have appeared from time to time, so there's code out there somewhere you can start with
[2025-08-12 16:56:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| smaller versions, incomplete, have appeared from time to time, so there's code out there somewhere you can start with
[2025-08-12 16:57:12] <Lucifer_arma_> I'd integrate it with the master servers so it'll always know whatever the master servers know, and periodically ping the same way the client does
[2025-08-12 16:57:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'd integrate it with the master servers so it'll always know whatever the master servers know, and periodically ping the same way the client does
[2025-08-12 16:58:51] <Lucifer_arma_> put the pickup UI in this web app, and when you sign up for a game, have it take you to a web-based chat interface to chat with the other players
[2025-08-12 16:58:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| put the pickup UI in this web app, and when you sign up for a game, have it take you to a web-based chat interface to chat with the other players
[2025-08-12 16:59:08] <Lucifer_arma_> then, when there's enough people for the game, it'll generate a link for the people using the web UI to click on and join
[2025-08-12 16:59:08] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| then, when there's enough people for the game, it'll generate a link for the people using the web UI to click on and join
[2025-08-12 16:59:54] <Lucifer_arma_> basically, what I'm saying is that the client doesn't need to be scrapped. It would benefit hugely from a rewrite, I won't argue against that, but we're still far from a place where a rewrite is necessary
[2025-08-12 16:59:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| basically, what I'm saying is that the client doesn't need to be scrapped. It would benefit hugely from a rewrite, I won't argue against that, but we're still far from a place where a rewrite is necessary
[2025-08-12 17:00:06] <Lucifer_arma_> we need people to stop talking about what would make the game great again and start doing it
[2025-08-12 17:00:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| we need people to stop talking about what would make the game great again and start doing it
[2025-08-12 17:00:20] <Lucifer_arma_> make armagetron great again! :)
[2025-08-12 17:00:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| make armagetron great again! :)
[2025-08-12 18:05:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| thank you lucifer truly great words that need some processing
[2025-08-12 18:05:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| thank you lucifer truly great words that need some processing
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| The client work i empathise with. i am deeply unfamiliar with the codebase and whilst i do intend to jump into it and make some necessary changes, it’s far away right now.
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| The client work i empathise with. i am deeply unfamiliar with the codebase and whilst i do intend to jump into it and make some necessary changes, it’s far away right now.
[2025-08-12 18:15:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| What is closer is this idea you proposed and has kind of been floated in various places of a webapp that can unify chat, auth, and potentially something custom and unique around arma protocol deep linking. That last thought is interesting but needs some work in server selection algorithms.
[2025-08-12 18:15:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| What is closer is this idea you proposed and has kind of been floated in various places of a webapp that can unify chat, auth, and potentially something custom and unique around arma protocol deep linking. That last thought is interesting but needs some work in server selection algorithms.
[2025-08-12 18:15:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I will make it my first effort in the codebase to look at resource packs and potentially some kind of click download import scan xml archive thing. I will use these messages you provided as reference so anymore information will be hugely valuable.
[2025-08-12 18:15:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I will make it my first effort in the codebase to look at resource packs and potentially some kind of click download import scan xml archive thing. I will use these messages you provided as reference so anymore information will be hugely valuable.
[2025-08-12 18:15:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I maintain though that the #1 thing we as a collective can do without a whole load of technical expertise is just community building and spending time in the community just to do that, to give back and plant seeds in public servers.
[2025-08-12 18:15:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I maintain though that the #1 thing we as a collective can do without a whole load of technical expertise is just community building and spending time in the community just to do that, to give back and plant seeds in public servers.
[2025-08-12 18:15:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I met a kid today in das sumobar who is only 10 and whose parents won’t allow them discord. That essentially cuts them off from the modern game. That sucks.
[2025-08-12 18:15:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I met a kid today in das sumobar who is only 10 and whose parents won’t allow them discord. That essentially cuts them off from the modern game. That sucks.
[2025-08-12 18:15:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I think we should start with a dedicated casual event where we just show up, share ideas, chat, make our presences known to the wider internets. If it means leaning into click bait ideas and becoming a little more “cringe” then so be it.
[2025-08-12 18:15:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I think we should start with a dedicated casual event where we just show up, share ideas, chat, make our presences known to the wider internets. If it means leaning into click bait ideas and becoming a little more “cringe” then so be it.
[2025-08-12 18:15:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| This space is still valuable for the foreseeable future to constantly be proposing, triaging, giving feedback on, initiatives on reviving this game and putting it into the public consciousness where it deserves to be
[2025-08-12 18:15:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| This space is still valuable for the foreseeable future to constantly be proposing, triaging, giving feedback on, initiatives on reviving this game and putting it into the public consciousness where it deserves to be
[2025-08-12 18:26:54] <Lucifer_arma_> obligatory I told you so about putting everything on discord ;)
[2025-08-12 18:26:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| obligatory I told you so about putting everything on discord ;)
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[2025-08-12 19:01:54] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I completely agree with that. Wasn't ever my aim to do that, and still isn't. This was supposed to be for just casual off-grid chats and "yo wanna play" interactions while forums are much better for tourney organization and more serious discussions and actual game feedback, while the wiki is nice for guides, resources and documentation. Unfortunately I am bad at these things and <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I completely agree with that. Wasn't ever my aim to do that, and still isn't. This was supposed to be for just casual off-grid chats and "yo wanna play" interactions while forums are much better for tourney organization and more serious discussions and actual game feedback, while the wiki is nice for guides, resources and documentation. Unfortunately I am bad at these things and <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| when people ask for new channels and stuff like that I'll do it, and over time this is where it has gotten...
[2025-08-12 19:01:55] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| when people ask for new channels and stuff like that I'll do it, and over time this is where it has gotten...
[2025-08-12 19:02:15] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| And at some point people brought pickup back and here we are.
[2025-08-12 19:02:15] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| And at some point people brought pickup back and here we are.
[2025-08-12 19:09:51] <Lucifer_arma_> well, my irc solution wouldn't be meeting this guy's proposed needs either, so this isn't exactly a "luci was right, again" situation :P
[2025-08-12 19:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, my irc solution wouldn't be meeting this guy's proposed needs either, so this isn't exactly a "luci was right, again" situation :P
[2025-08-12 19:11:12] <Lucifer_arma_> honestly, right now, I'm just happy to be here and able to talk. Been sitting in my van all day working on the animator for my youtube channel. I'm off the raspberry pi that was limiting me to only being able to work on days off, and subject to a lot of "damn, I'm tired, I'll just rest today", leading to
[2025-08-12 19:11:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| honestly, right now, I'm just happy to be here and able to talk. Been sitting in my van all day working on the animator for my youtube channel. I'm off the raspberry pi that was limiting me to only being able to work on days off, and subject to a lot of "damn, I'm tired, I'll just rest today", leading to
[2025-08-12 19:11:23] <Lucifer_arma_> just working one day a week, some weeks not working at all
[2025-08-12 19:11:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| just working one day a week, some weeks not working at all
[2025-08-12 19:11:46] <Lucifer_arma_> so this new laptop has already enabled me to do more work today than I've been able to accomplish in the last two weeks
[2025-08-12 19:11:46] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so this new laptop has already enabled me to do more work today than I've been able to accomplish in the last two weeks
[2025-08-12 19:14:23] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Nice! I haven't really posted or participated on the forums in years now but been lurking every now and then. Good to hear things are improving! 😄
[2025-08-12 19:14:23] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Nice! I haven't really posted or participated on the forums in years now but been lurking every now and then. Good to hear things are improving! 😄
[2025-08-12 19:18:07] <Lucifer_arma_> well, I'm now at a point where I'll be essentially re-launching my channel as an animated channel, since I've been off for as long as I have been, so I'm putting some real effort into making the break worth it
[2025-08-12 19:18:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, I'm now at a point where I'll be essentially re-launching my channel as an animated channel, since I've been off for as long as I have been, so I'm putting some real effort into making the break worth it
[2025-08-12 19:18:50] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm anticipating the coding on the animator going a lot faster now that I'm off the cycle of only being able to work a couple days a week, and taking one or both of them off to actually rest
[2025-08-12 19:18:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm anticipating the coding on the animator going a lot faster now that I'm off the cycle of only being able to work a couple days a week, and taking one or both of them off to actually rest
[2025-08-12 19:19:31] <Lucifer_arma_> I can work anytime I'm not at my regular job, now, which opens up at least 30 hours a week to focus on my channel. So first, get back into the swing of things where I'm actually putting in that kind of time...
[2025-08-12 19:19:31] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I can work anytime I'm not at my regular job, now, which opens up at least 30 hours a week to focus on my channel. So first, get back into the swing of things where I'm actually putting in that kind of time...
[2025-08-12 19:20:30] <Lucifer_arma_> losing the last laptop was a bigger hit than I'd anticipated, even though I "recovered" quickly. I'll be keeping the pi in the van for the foreseeable future as a backup, since I had just about gotten it up and running in the van
[2025-08-12 19:20:30] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| losing the last laptop was a bigger hit than I'd anticipated, even though I "recovered" quickly. I'll be keeping the pi in the van for the foreseeable future as a backup, since I had just about gotten it up and running in the van
[2025-08-12 19:20:58] <Lucifer_arma_> hell, maybe I'll use it for a renderer, if I can figure out how to get kdenlive to take advantage of such a thing
[2025-08-12 19:20:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| hell, maybe I'll use it for a renderer, if I can figure out how to get kdenlive to take advantage of such a thing
[2025-08-12 19:22:07] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh that sounds cool, does a pi have enough graphics capability to make that usable?
[2025-08-12 19:22:07] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh that sounds cool, does a pi have enough graphics capability to make that usable?
[2025-08-12 19:26:19] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Anyways, about the whole discord thing, the biggest problem I have with this platform is: what's gonna happen to all the stuff that is on it as soon as a better messaging software appears and takes over? In contrast to a forum or wiki, archivability of important stuff that might have been here is bad to nonexistant. At least we still use the wiki for tourney results I guess...
[2025-08-12 19:26:19] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| Anyways, about the whole discord thing, the biggest problem I have with this platform is: what's gonna happen to all the stuff that is on it as soon as a better messaging software appears and takes over? In contrast to a forum or wiki, archivability of important stuff that might have been here is bad to nonexistant. At least we still use the wiki for tourney results I guess...
[2025-08-12 19:27:38] <Lucifer_arma_> yes, a pi can do that, mostly because the rendering from kdenlive is CPU rendering, it doesn't use the graphics subsystem. Since it's four cores, then it could theoretically render four frames at a time
[2025-08-12 19:27:39] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| yes, a pi can do that, mostly because the rendering from kdenlive is CPU rendering, it doesn't use the graphics subsystem. Since it's four cores, then it could theoretically render four frames at a time
[2025-08-12 19:28:22] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh heh yeah, cpu parallelization I guess
[2025-08-12 19:28:22] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh heh yeah, cpu parallelization I guess
[2025-08-12 19:28:48] <Lucifer_arma_> as for the discord thing, maybe we could use the bots that exist to keep logs and store such archival information. After that's established, then they can be theoretically adapted to join new messaging platforms and just assimilate them into the existing infrastructure
[2025-08-12 19:28:48] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| as for the discord thing, maybe we could use the bots that exist to keep logs and store such archival information. After that's established, then they can be theoretically adapted to join new messaging platforms and just assimilate them into the existing infrastructure
[2025-08-12 19:29:41] <Lucifer_arma_> as for the pis, if I can get one pi to work that way for kdenlive renders, then I do have the other two here that I can get running and get Landru back up to some extent
[2025-08-12 19:29:41] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| as for the pis, if I can get one pi to work that way for kdenlive renders, then I do have the other two here that I can get running and get Landru back up to some extent
[2025-08-12 19:29:59] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm still limited by power, but also by the fact that I don't have a way to get them all networked to each other, quite yet
[2025-08-12 19:30:00] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm still limited by power, but also by the fact that I don't have a way to get them all networked to each other, quite yet
[2025-08-12 19:31:53] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| delinquent has tried around with essentially a self-hosted discord clone already and gotten the bridge to here to work, so something like that might do it in the long run, yeah
[2025-08-12 19:31:53] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| delinquent has tried around with essentially a self-hosted discord clone already and gotten the bridge to here to work, so something like that might do it in the long run, yeah
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| The vast majority of chat platforms are indeed bridgeable. There *were* plans for a more comprehensive bridge that would also allow for the integration of pickup on discord, revolt, and IRC, but that's on the back burner because my health has plummeted lately, and it was hard enough to concentrate at home as it was. The revolt instance is still stood up though, and most of the ch <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <delinquent> The vast majority of chat platforms are indeed bridgeable. There *were* plans for a more comprehensive bridge that would also allow for the integration of pickup on discord, revolt, and IRC, but that's on the back burner because my health has plummeted lately, and it was hard enough to concentrate at home as it was. The revolt instance is still stood up though, and most of the channels are bridged. I use it when I'm on my phone, since
[2025-08-12 19:35:04] <delinquent> like fuck am I installing discord on it.
[2025-08-12 19:35:05] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| annels are bridged. I use it when I'm on my phone, since
[2025-08-12 19:35:07] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| like fuck am I installing discord on it.
[2025-08-12 19:35:55] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| the one caveat is that IRC users will often enough miss out on conversation, since IRC is client-oriented rather than server-oriented. There's no scrolling back to see stuff people talked about when they were logged out.
[2025-08-12 19:35:55] <delinquent> the one caveat is that IRC users will often enough miss out on conversation, since IRC is client-oriented rather than server-oriented. There's no scrolling back to see stuff people talked about when they were logged out.
[2025-08-12 19:36:13] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| there is a way around that, though - weechat or znc serve very well as bouncers
[2025-08-12 19:36:13] <delinquent> there is a way around that, though - weechat or znc serve very well as bouncers
[2025-08-12 19:36:40] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| oh that's what I was actually going to suggest Lucifer_arma_, we could potentially host a bouncer on the retrocycles site
[2025-08-12 19:36:40] <delinquent> oh that's what I was actually going to suggest Lucifer_arma_, we could potentially host a bouncer on the retrocycles site
[2025-08-12 19:36:56] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| although I have no idea if a user-agnostic bouncer esxists...
[2025-08-12 19:36:56] <delinquent> although I have no idea if a user-agnostic bouncer esxists...
[2025-08-12 19:41:31] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh neat does revolt have an app or is it over a "normal website"?
[2025-08-12 19:41:31] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| heh neat does revolt have an app or is it over a "normal website"?
[2025-08-12 19:43:20] <Lucifer_arma_> yeah, you don't have to worry about users on their individual chat platforms being able to scroll in their clients to view backlog. If you can get the backlog posted somewhere like on a website, like we used to do in the olden days with irc, then people can browse there
[2025-08-12 19:43:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| yeah, you don't have to worry about users on their individual chat platforms being able to scroll in their clients to view backlog. If you can get the backlog posted somewhere like on a website, like we used to do in the olden days with irc, then people can browse there
[2025-08-12 19:44:10] <Lucifer_arma_> and I get the health issue. I also had a relapse in the last couple of months that caused some problems, but I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and she gave me something that's got me sober again
[2025-08-12 19:44:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and I get the health issue. I also had a relapse in the last couple of months that caused some problems, but I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and she gave me something that's got me sober again
[2025-08-12 19:46:28] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i have irc logs on my website ( https://www.armanelgtron.tk/aa/IRC/ ), although its a bit messy since its capturing both #armagetron channels at once that are also bridged together
[2025-08-12 19:46:28] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| i have irc logs on my website ( https://www.armanelgtron.tk/aa/IRC/ ), although its a bit messy since its capturing both #armagetron channels at once that are also bridged together
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[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Using Discord as our primary communication unearthed this game for another solid 5 years. It wasn't a bad idea, it was the best we could do with what we had at the time, and a platform that most people were already starting to use.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Using Discord as our primary communication unearthed this game for another solid 5 years. It wasn't a bad idea, it was the best we could do with what we had at the time, and a platform that most people were already starting to use.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| There are definitely issues with the infrastructure that's been built around the game, but the infrastructure was just built to support the game and fill out gaps since the game is basically in maintenance only status, not being actively developed.
[2025-08-12 21:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| There are definitely issues with the infrastructure that's been built around the game, but the infrastructure was just built to support the game and fill out gaps since the game is basically in maintenance only status, not being actively developed.
[2025-08-12 21:05:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Completely agree with ellis that the process to start playing that he outlined is a huge killer. Not that I have any solutions that won't require a ton of work for that heh, sorry. An easier flow though if dev work wasn't an issue might be, sign up option in the game, opens a browser with auth options to sign up with email, discord, google, etc, some sort of auth token stored for <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:05:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Completely agree with ellis that the process to start playing that he outlined is a huge killer. Not that I have any solutions that won't require a ton of work for that heh, sorry. An easier flow though if dev work wasn't an issue might be, sign up option in the game, opens a browser with auth options to sign up with email, discord, google, etc, some sort of auth token stored for <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:05:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| a while on your client that can be mapped and verified by an arma auth. All a pain in the butt probably 😂
[2025-08-12 21:05:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| a while on your client that can be mapped and verified by an arma auth. All a pain in the butt probably 😂
[2025-08-12 21:09:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| ya I did make a twitch+selenium bot that used my api to randomly pick matches, then find it on nelg's site for playback. Had some commands you could put in chat like !skip to go to next match, some to switch POV on the client, search for a player POV by name, find a match with a player. Problem was I just had it running on my pc and using obs there, I didn't make it more automate <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| ya I did make a twitch+selenium bot that used my api to randomly pick matches, then find it on nelg's site for playback. Had some commands you could put in chat like !skip to go to next match, some to switch POV on the client, search for a player POV by name, find a match with a player. Problem was I just had it running on my pc and using obs there, I didn't make it more automate <clipped message>
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| d where you could run it on a server easily and figure out obs on that
[2025-08-12 21:09:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| d where you could run it on a server easily and figure out obs on that
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[2025-08-13 03:06:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I feel better about the situation today. I feel like there is now at least a table of options for us to choose from. I’m going to start the initiative with some casual hours. I will be around from 2000-2300 UK time tonight to try organise and begin something.
[2025-08-13 03:06:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I feel better about the situation today. I feel like there is now at least a table of options for us to choose from. I’m going to start the initiative with some casual hours. I will be around from 2000-2300 UK time tonight to try organise and begin something.
[2025-08-13 03:06:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Casual Wednesdays!
[2025-08-13 03:06:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Casual Wednesdays!
[2025-08-13 03:07:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| @dorianv we should collab at some point on bringing this back + hosted as well as potentially modifying the TST script to capture highlights
[2025-08-13 03:07:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| @dorianv we should collab at some point on bringing this back + hosted as well as potentially modifying the TST script to capture highlights
[2025-08-13 03:07:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I’m really into this idea of clips. I think it will pay off more than we think
[2025-08-13 03:07:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I’m really into this idea of clips. I think it will pay off more than we think
[2025-08-13 03:08:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Also why i’m into the idea of resource pack work. If we can make the clips visually appealing in both aesthetic and skill, we could make it
[2025-08-13 03:08:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Also why i’m into the idea of resource pack work. If we can make the clips visually appealing in both aesthetic and skill, we could make it
[2025-08-13 03:14:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Maybe I can make enough of a dent that luci might even use my name instead of “this guy” 😛
[2025-08-13 03:14:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Maybe I can make enough of a dent that luci might even use my name instead of “this guy” 😛
[2025-08-13 05:26:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Hey everone on a different vein I have money to offer!
[2025-08-13 05:26:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Hey everone on a different vein I have money to offer!
[2025-08-13 05:26:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Bug testing for my startup. £5 per unique bug found, revieweved every week, contracted by my founder, not by me. Very official
[2025-08-13 05:26:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Bug testing for my startup. £5 per unique bug found, revieweved every week, contracted by my founder, not by me. Very official
[2025-08-13 05:26:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Can be based all over the world, but should have decent command of written text. Reply to this or message me if interested.
[2025-08-13 05:26:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Can be based all over the world, but should have decent command of written text. Reply to this or message me if interested.
[2025-08-13 05:28:00] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| sure thing
[2025-08-13 05:28:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| sure thing
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[2025-08-13 08:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lang? context?
[2025-08-13 08:48:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lang? context?
[2025-08-13 08:49:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and scalable for large bugs? A fiver is... not a lot compared to other bug bounties. People earn anything from £1k to £150k for serious flaws
[2025-08-13 08:49:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and scalable for large bugs? A fiver is... not a lot compared to other bug bounties. People earn anything from £1k to £150k for serious flaws
[2025-08-13 08:50:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| this is a startup deli
[2025-08-13 08:50:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| this is a startup deli
[2025-08-13 08:50:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| talking about enterprise bug bounty lmao
[2025-08-13 08:50:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| talking about enterprise bug bounty lmao
[2025-08-13 08:50:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| this is non technical
[2025-08-13 08:50:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| this is non technical
[2025-08-13 08:50:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| just user feedback testing
[2025-08-13 08:50:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| just user feedback testing
[2025-08-13 08:50:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Yes! there's a couple open-source efforts out there. At the moment I use Clerotri, which is (I think) on f-droid? it's on github too
[2025-08-13 08:50:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Yes! there's a couple open-source efforts out there. At the moment I use Clerotri, which is (I think) on f-droid? it's on github too
[2025-08-13 08:51:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, so you mean just pointing stuff out like a missing font package or smth
[2025-08-13 08:51:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, so you mean just pointing stuff out like a missing font package or smth
[2025-08-13 08:51:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| exactly. buttons not working, dialogs failing, long response times, etc
[2025-08-13 08:51:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| exactly. buttons not working, dialogs failing, long response times, etc
[2025-08-13 08:51:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| its a risk engineering survey platform so its kinda fun to use
[2025-08-13 08:51:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| its a risk engineering survey platform so its kinda fun to use
[2025-08-13 08:51:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's fair. Drop me a link and I'll have a deeks later
[2025-08-13 08:51:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's fair. Drop me a link and I'll have a deeks later
[2025-08-13 08:54:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| Done 🙂
[2025-08-13 08:54:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| Done 🙂
[2025-08-13 09:09:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| > I can see this is the Armagetron Advanced game project - a Tron-like light cycle game. Let me check the build system and see what's needed to build it.
[2025-08-13 09:09:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| > I can see this is the Armagetron Advanced game project - a Tron-like light cycle game. Let me check the build system and see what's needed to build it.
[2025-08-13 09:09:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| I've shown others this before but I still find it so cool. This game is so old/recognised that its actually in all of the AI training data meaning the models regularly recognise that the codebase is in context. Never had this happen before
[2025-08-13 09:09:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| I've shown others this before but I still find it so cool. This game is so old/recognised that its actually in all of the AI training data meaning the models regularly recognise that the codebase is in context. Never had this happen before
[2025-08-13 15:03:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| like *the* armagetron advanced
[2025-08-13 15:03:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| like *the* armagetron advanced
[2025-08-13 15:03:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| does anyone know how many downloads this game has on sourceforge
[2025-08-13 15:03:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| does anyone know how many downloads this game has on sourceforge
[2025-08-13 15:06:02] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| sourceforge makes that information publicly available: https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/stats/timeline
[2025-08-13 15:06:02] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| sourceforge makes that information publicly available: https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/stats/timeline
[2025-08-13 15:06:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1405266403287761019/image.png?ex=689e33d3&is=689ce253&hm=00ea5343d3df54a46d55b426210aa06bc4ceb67967dfd1f626215c6d68f06dc0&
[2025-08-13 15:06:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1405266403287761019/image.png?ex=689e33d3&is=689ce253&hm=00ea5343d3df54a46d55b426210aa06bc4ceb67967dfd1f626215c6d68f06dc0&
[2025-08-13 15:07:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| holy
[2025-08-13 15:07:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| holy
[2025-08-13 15:07:05] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| of course you don't really know how many of those downloads are actual humans
[2025-08-13 15:07:05] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| of course you don't really know how many of those downloads are actual humans
[2025-08-13 15:07:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| of course
[2025-08-13 15:07:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| of course
[2025-08-13 15:08:34] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| but the game peaking around 2010/2011 does seem about right
[2025-08-13 15:08:34] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| but the game peaking around 2010/2011 does seem about right
[2025-08-13 15:08:34] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1405266802870587483/image.png?ex=689e3432&is=689ce2b2&hm=89319dea6fb98f859c3e7843f91b4775f7e878aebc15b5bdefa4ebc4b1e867ac&
[2025-08-13 15:08:35] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1405266802870587483/image.png?ex=689e3432&is=689ce2b2&hm=89319dea6fb98f859c3e7843f91b4775f7e878aebc15b5bdefa4ebc4b1e867ac&
[2025-08-13 15:08:59] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| maybe not that many downloads though..
[2025-08-13 15:08:59] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| maybe not that many downloads though..
[2025-08-13 15:09:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| we are due a resurgence
[2025-08-13 15:09:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| we are due a resurgence
[2025-08-13 15:09:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| im investing in this if it was a chart
[2025-08-13 15:09:17] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| im investing in this if it was a chart
[2025-08-13 15:09:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| looks cheap
[2025-08-13 15:09:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| looks cheap
[2025-08-13 15:09:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| all it takes is volume
[2025-08-13 15:09:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| all it takes is volume
[2025-08-13 15:10:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| our market is both the players who have already played (potentially millions) as well as the new players that could play (many more millions)
[2025-08-13 15:10:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| our market is both the players who have already played (potentially millions) as well as the new players that could play (many more millions)
[2025-08-13 15:10:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| say im crazy but i see a world where we build frameworks and are very developer facing and can scale as we grow through community lead initiatives
[2025-08-13 15:10:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| say im crazy but i see a world where we build frameworks and are very developer facing and can scale as we grow through community lead initiatives
[2025-08-13 15:11:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| and at the core is a very active sport based on both performance of human and machine (lag)
[2025-08-13 15:11:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| and at the core is a very active sport based on both performance of human and machine (lag)
[2025-08-13 15:11:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| saying that im struggling to build the sdl12 compat layer on mac so one step at a time
[2025-08-13 15:11:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| saying that im struggling to build the sdl12 compat layer on mac so one step at a time
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[2025-08-13 15:39:26] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i think its 90% accurate
[2025-08-13 15:39:26] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i think its 90% accurate
[2025-08-13 15:39:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| any comment section on a koala tiktok has randoms who know the game
[2025-08-13 15:39:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| any comment section on a koala tiktok has randoms who know the game
[2025-08-13 15:39:56] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| its had a huuge reach over its time span
[2025-08-13 15:39:56] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| its had a huuge reach over its time span
[2025-08-13 15:40:01] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| just barely anyone stuck around
[2025-08-13 15:40:01] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| just barely anyone stuck around
[2025-08-13 15:40:31] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| which is normal.. 99% of games from 1999 are dead now. no one should be sticking around for *this* long
[2025-08-13 15:40:31] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| which is normal.. 99% of games from 1999 are dead now. no one should be sticking around for *this* long
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[2025-08-13 18:12:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I fucking hate the way linux handles user mounts.
[2025-08-13 18:12:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I fucking hate the way linux handles user mounts.
[2025-08-13 18:12:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want a loop device.
[2025-08-13 18:12:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want a loop device.
[2025-08-13 18:12:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want to be root.
[2025-08-13 18:12:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want to be root.
[2025-08-13 18:12:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want an entry in fstab.
[2025-08-13 18:12:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want an entry in fstab.
[2025-08-13 18:12:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want to use third-party tools
[2025-08-13 18:12:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I do not want to use third-party tools
[2025-08-13 18:13:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| just let me fucking use mount
[2025-08-13 18:13:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| just let me fucking use mount
[2025-08-13 18:15:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| literally about to change the perms on mount ffs
[2025-08-13 18:15:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| literally about to change the perms on mount ffs
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[2025-08-13 22:29:05] <armagetronbridge> 09discord:Force| Yeah i remember like 200+ people being on at the same time soon after tron legacy came out. Maybe ares will pump our numbers up a bit?
[2025-08-13 22:29:05] <armagetron-bridge> 09discord:Force| Yeah i remember like 200+ people being on at the same time soon after tron legacy came out. Maybe ares will pump our numbers up a bit?
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[2025-08-14 04:34:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| it is vital that we introduce some new systems before ares
[2025-08-14 04:34:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| it is vital that we introduce some new systems before ares
[2025-08-14 04:34:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| we need to capitalize on the hype we know it will bring
[2025-08-14 04:34:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| we need to capitalize on the hype we know it will bring
[2025-08-14 04:35:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| new players and retruning players will come here wanting/hoping to see some new cool systems
[2025-08-14 04:35:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| new players and retruning players will come here wanting/hoping to see some new cool systems
[2025-08-14 04:35:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| we will get a spike of interest again with ares sure but will we be in a position to actually convert those players into members of the community?
[2025-08-14 04:35:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| we will get a spike of interest again with ares sure but will we be in a position to actually convert those players into members of the community?
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[2025-08-14 10:10:48] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| in my opinion the long server list shouldnt be the first thing someone sees when they connect to the game, you should just have a few general selections such as " Sumo" "Fortress" "Deathmatch" etc and it funnels players into servers straight away then at the bottom or an icon somewhere you can select to search through all the servers if you wanted such as games like CS or OW
[2025-08-14 10:10:49] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| in my opinion the long server list shouldnt be the first thing someone sees when they connect to the game, you should just have a few general selections such as " Sumo" "Fortress" "Deathmatch" etc and it funnels players into servers straight away then at the bottom or an icon somewhere you can select to search through all the servers if you wanted such as games like CS or OW
[2025-08-14 10:23:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what happens when someone builds a new gamemode though? It's all well and good trying to simplify the server list, but it provides an unnecessary restriction imo
[2025-08-14 10:23:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what happens when someone builds a new gamemode though? It's all well and good trying to simplify the server list, but it provides an unnecessary restriction imo
[2025-08-14 10:23:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it could be an *option* though - a menu asking whether or nto the player wants to play a specific game mode *or* see the complete server list
[2025-08-14 10:23:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it could be an *option* though - a menu asking whether or nto the player wants to play a specific game mode *or* see the complete server list
[2025-08-14 10:24:31] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| im just thinking from the prospective of a new player id rather be pushed in a direction and have the option to explore later
[2025-08-14 10:24:32] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| im just thinking from the prospective of a new player id rather be pushed in a direction and have the option to explore later
[2025-08-14 10:25:15] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| and ye im not saying it needs to be hidden or anything like that just i do think we should funnel players somewhere first
[2025-08-14 10:25:15] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| and ye im not saying it needs to be hidden or anything like that just i do think we should funnel players somewhere first
[2025-08-14 10:40:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i agree the server list is daunting. imo a better solution would be to have a hidden / unused drop-down esque option *in* the server list, and if the user selects that then all the old unused servers are visible. maybe have it so if nobody has been in the server in 1 month then move it to the unused servers section. that way only the servers that actually get used are there, mayb <clipped message>
[2025-08-14 10:40:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i agree the server list is daunting. imo a better solution would be to have a hidden / unused drop-down esque option *in* the server list, and if the user selects that then all the old unused servers are visible. maybe have it so if nobody has been in the server in 1 month then move it to the unused servers section. that way only the servers that actually get used are there, mayb <clipped message>
[2025-08-14 10:40:15] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| e a max of 5-10. much nicer to pick from - note basic ux principles choice overload.. hick's law
[2025-08-14 10:40:15] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| e a max of 5-10. much nicer to pick from - note basic ux principles choice overload.. hick's law
[2025-08-14 10:40:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i bet there are probably some players that give up before they've even got through all the menu crap
[2025-08-14 10:40:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i bet there are probably some players that give up before they've even got through all the menu crap
[2025-08-14 10:41:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| an even simpler and brute-ish fix is to manually remove most of the dead servers just to clean it up
[2025-08-14 10:41:11] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| an even simpler and brute-ish fix is to manually remove most of the dead servers just to clean it up
[2025-08-14 10:41:22] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| but that is unfair to those hosting them
[2025-08-14 10:41:22] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| but that is unfair to those hosting them
[2025-08-14 10:43:23] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| its also just where all our active players are atm between stuff like yellow sub (dm) sumo / fort which i think is kinda important to push people where the activity is happening not just for more sumo or fort to pop off more but id like to push new players where the action is happening
[2025-08-14 10:43:24] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| its also just where all our active players are atm between stuff like yellow sub (dm) sumo / fort which i think is kinda important to push people where the activity is happening not just for more sumo or fort to pop off more but id like to push new players where the action is happening
[2025-08-14 10:47:53] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| some of the servers atleast atm just wont ever see a player in it and a lot of new players will probably hop server to server looking for someone to play with and its just so unlikely to find someone playing outside of the active game modes which is why i think its advantageous to push them where the activity is first and if it doesnt suit them the option to explore will be there still
[2025-08-14 10:47:53] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| some of the servers atleast atm just wont ever see a player in it and a lot of new players will probably hop server to server looking for someone to play with and its just so unlikely to find someone playing outside of the active game modes which is why i think its advantageous to push them where the activity is first and if it doesnt suit them the option to explore will be there still
[2025-08-14 10:49:01] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| its why its so common to find players join in the middle of forts and tsts asking how to play etc they wanna play with someone lmao id want them pushed in the direction that would give them the most playtime
[2025-08-14 10:49:02] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| its why its so common to find players join in the middle of forts and tsts asking how to play etc they wanna play with someone lmao id want them pushed in the direction that would give them the most playtime
[2025-08-14 10:56:06] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| spit ballin here but what about a pickup sumobar or tst server that doesnt require player login to start playing. They can !add tst from within the server, somehow bridged with discord. Once the game has 8/8 players !added, login could then be required, everyone thats not added gets kicked to spectate and game starts. This would allow players who dont want to join discord to add <clipped message>
[2025-08-14 10:56:06] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| spit ballin here but what about a pickup sumobar or tst server that doesnt require player login to start playing. They can !add tst from within the server, somehow bridged with discord. Once the game has 8/8 players !added, login could then be required, everyone thats not added gets kicked to spectate and game starts. This would allow players who dont want to join discord to add <clipped message>
[2025-08-14 10:56:06] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Noodles| for comp games and potentially keep a server populated between games. as it is now, all the players leave straight after a pickup match, go do something else until another pickup match has qued up on discord. Pub sumo imo is more enjoyable then pickup as you tend to do more risky plays with no consequence. It sucks that everyone gets off tron between pickup games.
[2025-08-14 10:56:06] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Noodles| for comp games and potentially keep a server populated between games. as it is now, all the players leave straight after a pickup match, go do something else until another pickup match has qued up on discord. Pub sumo imo is more enjoyable then pickup as you tend to do more risky plays with no consequence. It sucks that everyone gets off tron between pickup games.
[2025-08-14 11:13:00] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| i think in early covid tron it might have been nelg or deso that had a function to vote what gamemode was being played in the server and it could be swapped from tst to fort to ctf etc
[2025-08-14 11:13:00] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| i think in early covid tron it might have been nelg or deso that had a function to vote what gamemode was being played in the server and it could be swapped from tst to fort to ctf etc
[2025-08-14 11:13:52] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| so if thats possible im sure what ur talking about is possible its seems at the very least like a minor quality of life change to bridge pickup and pub gaming atleast
[2025-08-14 11:13:52] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| so if thats possible im sure what ur talking about is possible its seems at the very least like a minor quality of life change to bridge pickup and pub gaming atleast
[2025-08-14 11:14:08] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:Colton| the adding in server bridging it to discord i would have 0 idea about anything like that
[2025-08-14 11:14:08] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:Colton| the adding in server bridging it to discord i would have 0 idea about anything like that
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[2025-08-14 15:11:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| do you think along with this market effort we should maybe try adopt retrocycles more
[2025-08-14 15:11:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| do you think along with this market effort we should maybe try adopt retrocycles more
[2025-08-14 15:11:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:syn| steam is a nice funnel
[2025-08-14 15:11:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:syn| steam is a nice funnel
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[2025-08-14 19:17:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nor na
[2025-08-14 19:17:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nor na
[2025-08-14 19:18:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like armagetron. Realistically we probably *should* be consistent, but tbh it's pretty striaghtforward and most people seem to understand whats going on
[2025-08-14 19:18:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like armagetron. Realistically we probably *should* be consistent, but tbh it's pretty striaghtforward and most people seem to understand whats going on
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