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Log from 2009-03-18:
--- Day changed Wed Mar 18 2009
00:00 <ivantis2> like $randInt would be replaced with a random integer when everytime.cfg was evaluated
00:03 <dlh> Admin: the random number for this round is 4!
00:05 <ivantis2> no for like rubberz and stuff
00:06 <dlh> You can do that using an external script .
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00:07 <ivantis2> or with an internal modification
00:10 <dlh> Or an external script, right now, without modifying the source code :)
00:16 <ivantis2> ...im watching the nikelodeon channel right now
00:16 <ivantis2> every other commercial is for mcdonald toys
00:16 <ivantis2> literaly
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00:16 <ivantis2> no really, first a mcdonal commercial, then for something else, then another one
00:16 <ivantis2> what a lot of money wasted
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00:27 <Lucifer> #math calc 134250969-134250815
00:27 <Lucifer> dammit
00:27 <Lucifer> !math calc 134250969-134250815
00:28 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250815
00:28 <teabot> Lucifer: 154
00:30 <akira_arma> lucifer
00:30 <akira_arma> can you help me compile tron on windows?
00:30 <akira_arma> ;)
00:33 <luke-jr> #m epsy the file sizes are public
00:34 <ivantis2> luke-jr, armabot is away
00:34 <luke-jr> ]later tell epsy the file sizes are public
00:34 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <BabyBug> Lucifer, why are you doing such silly sums?
00:34 <Lucifer> to find out how many tasks I have left to complete
00:35 <BabyBug> you're saying you've done 134250815 tasks?
00:35 <Lucifer> those are the task numbers, so to find out how many are left, I subtract the lowest number from the highest number
00:35 <luke-jr> akira_arma: I don't think Lucifer uses Windows
00:35 <BabyBug> oh, but you never started at 0?
00:35 <Lucifer> no, didn't start at 0
00:35 <Lucifer> started with 270 tasks
00:35 <BabyBug> :|
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00:36 <Lucifer> so, I'm just under half way finished
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00:37 <BabyBug> and you have a week to do it?
00:37 <Lucifer> yeah
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00:38 <dlh> akira_arma: I think someone updated winlibs to include some protobuf binaries. you might want to try now
00:39 <akira_arma> :o
00:39 <akira_arma> k
00:39 <dlh> bzr pull to get latest changes
00:40 <akira_arma> i got them with svn
00:40 <dlh> svn pull
00:40 <akira_arma> nvm updating
00:40 <dlh> :)
00:40 <akira_arma> have tortoise
00:40 <akira_arma> GUI
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00:42 <ivantis2> dude
00:42 <ivantis2> i want a blu-ray laser
00:43 <ivantis2> they can start fires!
00:43 <ivantis2> http://blog.cowtowncomputercongress.org/grand-opening-project-night/
00:43 <ivantis2> second thing down
00:43 <akira_arma> aaaahhhh
00:43 <akira_arma> it seems to work now
00:43 <akira_arma> ;)
00:44 <akira_arma> thanks dlh
00:44 <luke-jr> :< :< :<
00:44 <luke-jr> WHY IS eWall NOT AN eGameObject⁈
00:44 <BabyBug> should it be?
00:44 <Lucifer> that's to make you ask why it's that way
00:44 <akira_arma> build finished!
00:44 <akira_arma> YAY
00:45 <akira_arma> it still has no .exe tho :(
00:45  * luke-jr ponders just adding eGameObject to eWall's parent list
00:45 <akira_arma> oops another wrror :(
00:45 <akira_arma> error*
00:47 <akira_arma> http://rafb.net/p/Yvw5zm95.html
00:47 <akira_arma> can someone have a look at this one?
00:47 <akira_arma> could*
00:47 <luke-jr> looked
00:48 <akira_arma> any suggeston?
00:49 <luke-jr> wait, I'm supposed to do something besides look?
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00:50 <akira_arma> yes :)
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00:56 <dlh> is that all the errors?
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01:06 <luke-jr> epic fail -.-
01:07 <akira_arma> yes dlh
01:08 <luke-jr> z-man has spoiled my branch -.-
01:11 <BabyBug> lol how exactly?
01:11 <luke-jr> he made the original game
01:11 <luke-jr> which is where we inherit this "walls are not objects" nonsense from --
01:11 <BabyBug> i don't get it
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01:12 <BabyBug> So why can't you make the walls objects?
01:12 <ivantis2> because you cant pick up walls
01:12 <ivantis2> duh
01:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: code conflicts
01:13 <BabyBug> somebody please ban him
01:13 <luke-jr> not only are they not objects, but they can't be easily made objects
01:13 <BabyBug> oh :(
01:13 <luke-jr> #kban ivantis2
01:13 <BabyBug> So which branch are you talking about?
01:13 <BabyBug> There's no armabot in here
01:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: lp:~armagetronad-sty-0.3/armagetronad/armagetronad-zone-bouncing
01:14 <luke-jr> I went to a bunch of work to make zones react to non-cycle objects
01:14 <luke-jr> just to find that walls aren't even effing objects -.-
01:14 <BabyBug> ouch.. lol
01:15 <ivantis2> dude
01:15 <ivantis2> that sucks
01:15 <luke-jr> ivantis2: yeah, almost seems like something you'd do -.-
01:15 <ivantis2> anyway, dont zones already react to non cycle stuff?
01:15 <luke-jr> nope
01:15 <ivantis2> ...
01:15 <ivantis2> dont they bounce off walls?
01:17 <luke-jr> not yet
01:17 <luke-jr> that's what my branch was trying to add
01:19 <dlh> akira_arma: maybe put #include <stdlib.h> at the top of the file. or it is a mingw installation error.
01:20 <dlh> But z-<don't-highlight>man was able to compile for windows recently, so probably an install error
01:21 <BabyBug> you mean z-<not-online>man? :P
01:22 <BabyBug> so....time for a new plan luke-jr? :)
01:22 <luke-jr> yes, my plan is to bug z-man when I see him
01:22 <BabyBug> ...
01:23 <BabyBug> it's only for sty anyway...who cares :P
01:23 <luke-jr> the sty bouncing was a very dirty hack
01:23 <luke-jr> :x
01:24 <BabyBug> is sty at some point planning to be cleaned up and merged into trunk?
01:24 <BabyBug> and be "official"
01:24 <dlh> .
01:24 <BabyBug> as in "supported"
01:24 <dlh> kinda
01:25 <BabyBug> could you elaborate on that? :P
01:25 <dlh> sty was a big hack.
01:25 <dlh> luke-jr/others are working on porting it to trunk
01:26 <BabyBug> but will it then be merged? or remain a seperate branch?
01:26 <dlh> if it works, merged :)
01:27 <BabyBug> "if"..heh, love your optimism :P
01:28 <ivantis2> wow that really amazes me that luke-jr would do something like that..write a bunch of code for zones to interact with objects, then realizing that walls are not objects
01:30 <BabyBug> i want armabot back
01:31 <ivantis2> and now, wrtlprnfts logs have come to a stop
01:31 <ivantis2> at 23:59 his time
01:31 <ivantis2> ...
01:31 <ivantis2> nevermind thats just the end of that file
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02:07 <Lucifer> ivantis2: yeah, it's a pretty smart move, it's damned amazing luke-jr would do it
02:08 <Lucifer> luke-jr: how does it look to go ahead and make walls objects?
02:08 <Lucifer> we kinda need that in the future anyway, you know....  ;)
02:09  * nniveus waves hello
02:10 <Lucifer> yay, my wheel is in Buffalo now
02:10 <Lucifer> who the fuck is nniveus, and why is he pinging me?
02:10 <nniveus> lucifer, calm down o_O it's nara here lol
02:10 <Lucifer> ah
02:10 <nniveus> first time on irc, having fun with commands
02:10 <Lucifer> didn't anybody tell you it's rude to randomly ping people like that?  ;/
02:10 <Lucifer> version requests are likewise considered rude
02:11 <nniveus> really? haven't really wrapped my head around irc etiquette ;)
02:11 <Lucifer> basically, any ctcp thing is probably rude ;)
02:11 <nniveus> ctcp?
02:11 <Lucifer> [20:08] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from nniveus to channel #armagetron, sending answer.
02:11 <Lucifer> do a version on me and see what you get :)
02:11  * Lucifer checks his settings to make sure the answer he thinks is there is still there
02:12 <nniveus> lol
02:12 <nniveus> im assuming "do a version" is to ping you again? ;)
02:12 <Lucifer> no, it's something else
02:12 <Lucifer> er, oops
02:12 <Lucifer> there
02:12 <Lucifer>  /ctcp nniveus version
02:12 <Lucifer> replace nniveus with Lucifer, of course
02:13 <Lucifer> now do it to GodTodd_ (hi there!)
02:13 <Lucifer> :)
02:13  * Lucifer just noticed he removed his rude response to version requests
02:14 <nniveus> yeah i was just thinking that response wasn't too creative :p
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02:18 <nniveus> #list weather
02:18 <nniveus> hm
02:19 <Lucifer> #later tell z-man any objection to me doing this?  http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
02:20 <Lucifer> fucking armabot isn't here!
02:20 <Lucifer> guru3: any objection to me doing this?  http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
02:20  * Lucifer wants a cloak, but doesn't want a generic "unaffiliated" cloak
02:21  * nniveus wants to flip coin, but can't find the command
02:21 <nniveus> coins***
02:28 <Lucifer> that's because armabot isn't here
02:28 <Lucifer> armabuilder: commands
02:28 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, join, last, leave, list, notify, source, status, stop, version, watch
02:28 <ivantis2> random.org
02:28 <ivantis2> random.org has a really cool coin flipper
02:28 <Lucifer> no, even armabuilder, which apparently has more toys than utilities, can't flip coins
02:28 <Lucifer> armabuilder: last
02:29 <armabuilder> last build [linux-client]: 158455 secs ago: failed Distcheck Installcheck
02:29 <armabuilder> last build [linux-server]: 143103 secs ago: build successful
02:29 <nniveus> lol
02:30 <ivantis2> what is the purpose of a build bot?
02:30 <ivantis2> logging builds?
02:32 <luke-jr> BabyBug: sty is already partly merged
02:33 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ]later tell
02:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I gave up on trying to make walls objects
02:34 <luke-jr> might try again when z-man returns
02:35 <Lucifer> ivantis2: it doesn't log builds, it runs builds
02:35 <Lucifer> I'm still working on it, but when it's finished, it'll run (probably nightly) builds from the latest revisions in the trunk and 0.2.8, and maybe 0.3.1
02:36 <ivantis2> cool! in an irc bot!
02:36 <Lucifer> and it'll run any tests that are there
02:36 <Lucifer> it's not an irc bot, the irc bot is just one interface to it
02:36 <luke-jr> oh
02:36 <luke-jr> the reason I gave up, is because I started getting errors entirely unrelated to walls ☺
02:36 <ivantis2> i hate that kind of thing
02:36 <Lucifer> make a new object to replace walls, then?
02:37 <Lucifer> it might be easier to just do that and deprecate the old walls
02:37 <luke-jr> >_<
02:37 <ivantis2> hey, now theres an idea
02:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: borders with effect=death
02:37 <luke-jr> and textures
02:37 <Lucifer> and rubber
02:37 <ivantis2> i want in on this project
02:37 <luke-jr> but that means hacking OpenGL code
02:37 <luke-jr> and I almost always fail at that
02:37 <Lucifer> not really, it just means copying and pasting the wall rendering code :)
02:38 <Lucifer> you could also combine the moviepack wall rendering with the regular wall rendering at the same time
02:38 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I already tried that with gShapeModel ☺
02:38 <luke-jr> gShapeModel and a map-configurable resource texture for floors
02:38 <luke-jr> both utter failures
02:38 <luke-jr> and I have no idea why
02:38 <luke-jr> I mostly just C&P stuff for them
02:40 <luke-jr> also, players drop walls :x
02:40 <luke-jr> so it's not simple no matter what ☹
02:40 <ivantis2> yeah, rubber specific to each wall would be cool
02:41 <Lucifer> I thought walls players drop were different from grid walls
02:41 <ivantis2> like CYCLE_RUBBER would be the default, then they could each have a different rubber in the map
02:41 <luke-jr> ivantis2: stfu, that doesn't even make sense -.-
02:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: they are
02:41 <ivantis2> that doesnt even make sense?
02:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: but neither are eGameObjects
02:41 <ivantis2> yeah, to a monkey
02:41 <luke-jr> ivantis2: rubber is a player property, not a wall property
02:42 <Lucifer> ah
02:42 <Lucifer> is there anything anywhere, like eGO docs, to indicate what the conceptual difference is?
02:42 <luke-jr> player walls are like eWall + nNetObject
02:42 <ivantis2> erm i mean rubber deplete
02:42 <ivantis2> see? i really havent played this game in such a long time
02:42 <luke-jr> Lucifer: eGameObjects are, I believe, supposed to be things on the grid with positions, directions, and such
02:43 <luke-jr> but they're used for everything except walls
02:43 <Lucifer> take it in small doses, then
02:43 <Lucifer> try to replace grid walls with an eGO subclass and don't worry about cycle walls
02:44 <Lucifer> if you need help with rendering, ping me and give me a bzr url :)
02:44  * Lucifer isn't the hottest opengl programmer, but can usually get *something* rendered
02:44 <Lucifer> eGO's also get synced over the network, right?
02:45 <Lucifer> grid walls don't get synced, they're in the map file and never move, so sync is not necessary
02:45 <ivantis2> eGO? whats eGO?
02:45 <luke-jr> no
02:45 <Lucifer> but if we want to make moving grid walls at some point, they'll need to be synced
02:45 <luke-jr> gNetGameObject or such goes over the network
02:45 <Lucifer> ah, that's a subclass of eGO, right?
02:45 <luke-jr> yes
02:46 <luke-jr> but if we're going to rewrite walls, best to have them netsync'd
02:46 <Lucifer> oh yeah, because then they can be dynamically manipulated ;)
02:46 <luke-jr> exactly
02:50 <luke-jr> idea on new rubber implementation:
02:51 <luke-jr> gCycle::Stop is used to force the cycle to stop where it is
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02:51 <luke-jr> and rubber is used as the cycle is stopped
02:51 <luke-jr> does that get the same effect?
02:56 <Lucifer> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/5957/xml.html  <--- worst webpage *ever*
02:56 <Lucifer> hmmm, I don't really know the answer to that
02:56 <Lucifer> it's been literally 4 years since I looked at rubber code
02:57 <Lucifer> man, my wheel is still in buffalo
02:58  * Lucifer wants his wheel to be here *now* dammit!
02:59 <luke-jr> I'm not sure I've ever looked at rubber code
03:01 <ivantis2> luke-jr, have you ever gotten a managed server?
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03:03 <ct|kyle> 1 looked at rubber code a month ago
03:04 <ct|kyle> but I don't remember much of it
03:05 <ivantis2> Lucifer, what is this wheel for?
03:05 <ivantis2> im curious
03:05 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250838
03:05 <teabot> Lucifer: 131
03:05 <Lucifer> ivantis2: my bicycle
03:06 <ivantis2> cool
03:06 <ivantis2> what kind of bicycle?
03:07 <ct|kyle> I thought that was obvious LOL
03:07 <ivantis2> my dad collects bikes that he buys on ebay
03:08 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, unlucky....It looks like i'll be getting a new laptop, gonna have to put up with me longer.
03:08 <ct|kyle> FUCK
03:09 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: what lizmatic can't live without you so she is getting you one :P
03:10 <BabyBug> not quite, i have a mobile to keep in contact with lizmatic :P
03:10 <ivantis2> where is lizmatic? i havent seen her around in a while
03:10 <ivantis2> still banned?
03:13 <Lucifer> ivantis2: it's just a cheap mountain bike I picked up at Academy
03:13 <ivantis2> oh
03:13 <Lucifer> nothing special, one of those really cheap bikes that you do whatever you can to keep on the road without spending more money than absolutely necessary
03:14 <Lucifer> I was originally going to upgrade all the pieces parts to make a really nice bike out of it, then I found out how shoddy the frames on these bikes tend to be
03:14 <ivantis2> dude, a potential client just said he was going to give me root access to his 3 servers
03:14 <ivantis2> just to test my knowledge
03:14 <ivantis2> ...
03:14 <Lucifer> decided that would be hanging gold on shit, so now I'm wanting to buy a new bike with a really nice frame
03:15 <ivantis2> i wonder why so many people that live here have mountain bikes
03:15 <ivantis2> kansas is flat!
03:15 <luke-jr> ivantis2: KC sure isn't
03:15 <ivantis2> actually, KU mountain, but its more like a big hill
03:16 <ivantis2> i havent been to KC in ages
03:16 <luke-jr> Atchison isn't, either
03:17 <Lucifer> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060929093059.htm   <--- I think I'm going to like this job, because I get to see all sorts of interesting web pages that I'd never look for on my own
03:17 <Lucifer> ivantis2: I bought it because it was a) cheap, and b) I was impressed by the dual suspension
03:17 <Lucifer> now that I've been riding it, I'm no longer impressed by the dual suspension
03:18 <Lucifer> it feels nice to ride, don't get me wrong, but it also runs the prices of accessories that bolt onto the read through the ceiling
03:18 <ivantis2> i rented a mountain bike when i was in Telluride, CO this summer, it was really fun
03:18 <ivantis2> anyone here been to telluride?
03:18 <Lucifer> if I had gotten a bike without a rear suspension, I'd already have a nice, high weight rating rack with panniers
03:18 <nniveus> back :)
03:18 <nniveus> lol no more rubber talk?
03:18 <luke-jr> nniveus: wb
03:18 <Lucifer> instead I've got a rack that hangs off the seat stem and can't carry panniers
03:18 <nniveus> luke-jr: ty
03:19 <ivantis2> www.taketheinternetback.com
03:19 <ivantis2> www.taketheinternetback.com <-- anyone a member of this?
03:19 <nniveus> you went biking in CO ivantis?
03:19 <nniveus> that's gotta be fun
03:19 <ivantis2> oh it was
03:19 <nniveus> ever skiied there? ;)
03:19 <ivantis2> no
03:19 <ivantis2> ive only been skiing once
03:19 <nniveus> hope i spelled that right, never know how to
03:20 <nniveus> that's a shame :P
03:20 <ivantis2> 4th grade field trip to some place near KC
03:20 <luke-jr> nniveus: who are you?
03:20 <ivantis2> it was really cool
03:20 <BabyBug> no she's not banned ivantis2
03:20 <nniveus> lluke-jr: nara
03:20 <BabyBug> nara?!!?
03:20 <nniveus> luke*
03:20 <nniveus> sugarpuff? lols
03:20 <BabyBug> omg omg omg! <3333333333333
03:20 <nniveus> heya :)
03:20 <nniveus> decided to check out irc today
03:20 <BabyBug> :D
03:20 <luke-jr> wtf is nara?
03:20 <nniveus> wtf is luke? ;(
03:20 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stfu! it's nara!!
03:21 <luke-jr> is nara a player?
03:21 <nniveus> of tron? yes
03:21 <luke-jr> o i c
03:21 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250849
03:21 <teabot> Lucifer: 120
03:21 <luke-jr> never seen you I think
03:21 <luke-jr> or maybe you just didn't make it into my memorybanks
03:21 <Lucifer> nara's been posting on the forums recently
03:21 <nniveus> :) yes i have
03:22 <BabyBug> she's sexy!
03:22 <nniveus> lolol
03:22 <luke-jr> :O
03:22 <luke-jr> a girl?
03:22 <nniveus> i claim to be
03:22 <luke-jr> how is it that Arma has more females than anywhere else online? :x
03:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr still hasn't even kissed a girl
03:22 <luke-jr> …
03:22 <Lucifer> they come to see me
03:22 <nniveus> lol
03:23 <nniveus> i won't contradict you on that lucifer :x
03:23 <Lucifer> nniveus: ty :)
03:23 <luke-jr> erm
03:23 <luke-jr> I'm not even sure how to implement borders with the current codebase :x
03:24  * BabyBug <3's nniveus 
03:24 <nniveus> haha
03:24 <luke-jr> save a copy of every object's last known location and compare if they might have crossed?
03:24 <nniveus> :>
03:24 <luke-jr> seems slow
03:24 <luke-jr> :/
03:25 <nniveus> luke do you use the same name on the grid?
03:25 <luke-jr> yes
03:25 <nniveus> what servers usually?
03:25 <luke-jr> whatever I feel like
03:25 <ivantis2> ...this guy is going to give me root access to 3 of his servers to see if i am trustworthy
03:26 <ivantis2> (luke-jr doesnt play)
03:26 <luke-jr> with a slight preference for ones I host
03:26 <nniveus> lol
03:26 <ivantis2> luke-jr, if you were going to hire someone for a programming job that they would need ssh access to your servers for, would you give them root to see if they were trustworthy?
03:26 <nniveus> which are...?
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03:27 <luke-jr> ivantis2: no programming job requires ssh access to my servers
03:27 <ivantis2> the one that i applied for today does
03:27 <luke-jr> but for comparison, I have on occasion given a root password to a server of mine on ##Linux in public
03:27 <Lucifer> luke-jr: what if you were hosting a bzr repository on your server?  ;)
03:27 <luke-jr> nniveus: no idea anymore
03:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ?
03:28 <Lucifer> then you connect with sftp: urls
03:28 <ivantis2> luke-jr, what was the occasion??
03:28 <Lucifer> at least, that's what I do with bzr repos on my server
03:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ♡ rssh
03:28 <luke-jr> ivantis2: felt like it
03:28 <Lucifer> ivantis2: maybe the servers he's testing you with are just test servers, eh?
03:28 <ivantis2> on ##linux? i would give it away on #windows because they probably wouldnt even know how to use ssh
03:28 <Lucifer> so you can trash them, and he'll know you don't know what you're doing and not hire you
03:28 <luke-jr> I think someone fork bombed it
03:29 <ivantis2> Lucifer, no one of them hosts www.taketheinternetback.com
03:29  * nniveus nudges babybug
03:29  * BabyBug fondles nniveus 
03:29 <luke-jr> ivantis2: so you're being hired by a scammer
03:29 <Lucifer> sorry nniveus (hi there!), was I failing to flirt that you need BabyBug?
03:29 <luke-jr> ivantis2: and you expect him to pay you?
03:29 <ivantis2> scammer?
03:29 <nniveus> no you were failing to entertain ;) with your server talk
03:30 <ivantis2> www.taketheinternetback.com is a scam? i didnt examine it very well
03:30 <Lucifer> talking trash to ivantis2 that he doesn't understand isn't entertaining?
03:30 <nniveus> no not really, not to someone who also doesn't understand
03:30 <nniveus> haha
03:30 <BabyBug> Lucifer, kick/banning ivantis2 would do the job much better.
03:30 <Lucifer> oh come on, he's like only 99% as annoying as he was a few months ago
03:30 <BabyBug> or at least op me for 10 seconds so i can do it
03:30 <Lucifer> at this rate, he'll finally stop being annoying when he turns 85
03:31 <luke-jr> BabyBug: isn't he still banned?
03:31 <ivantis2> me?
03:31 <ivantis2> no
03:31 <BabyBug> No cause some fagend unbanned him
03:31 <ivantis2> ivantis2 appears to be here, unbanned
03:31 <luke-jr> must be a bug
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03:31 <BabyBug> ...
03:32 <luke-jr> lol
03:32 <BabyBug> you're a blooming fagend Lucifer that's what :P
03:32 <Lucifer> am not
03:32 <BabyBug> am too
03:32 <Lucifer> am not
03:32 <ivantis2> ha was that BabyBug's first kick from here?
03:32 <BabyBug> am too
03:32 <Lucifer> am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not am not v
03:32 <luke-jr> BabyBug: are you trying to say Lucifer is "coming out of the closet"?
03:33 <BabyBug> am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too am too
03:33 <luke-jr> you fail
03:33 <nniveus> lol
03:33 <ivantis2> you sound like 2nd graders
03:33 <nniveus> about time
03:33 <nniveus> is this how conversation usually goes around here?
03:33 <luke-jr> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/NO_U
03:33 <nniveus> just wondering ;)
03:33 <Lucifer> frequently
03:33 <BabyBug> yup
03:33 <Lucifer> we oscillate between highly technical discussions, and borderline XXX conversation
03:34 <BabyBug> the XXX discussion gets moved elsewhere cause Lucifer is so up tight
03:34 <Lucifer> no, that's actually to avoid guru3 banning us all
03:34 <Lucifer> since he's like the Ultimate Channel Master here
03:35 <BabyBug> i'll ban him back
03:35 <Lucifer> in fact, taht girl I was telling you about complained that I kept looking to see if anybody was coming, because it was a public park in the middle of the night and cops *do* patrol it
03:36  * Lucifer sighs
03:36  * Lucifer needs his own place asap
03:36 <Lucifer> (yes, that comment was related to the discussion, it just may not be so obvious)
03:36 <BabyBug> eh? you kept watching out? you turd bucket.. lol
03:37 <BabyBug> no wonder you couldn't relax...blooming paranoia :P
03:37 <nniveus> XXX conversation lol
03:37 <nniveus> expect me to partake in it once in a while
03:38 <Lucifer> it's not "blooming paranoia", it's more like "advanced paranoia"
03:38 <BabyBug> ^^
03:38 <nniveus> though spectating should be entertaining enough ;)
03:38 <nniveus> you guys better not let me down
03:38 <Lucifer> of course I was watching out!
03:38 <Lucifer> I'm too old to go to jail for screwing in a public park
03:38 <nniveus> lawl
03:38 <nniveus> public park?
03:38 <BabyBug> you're not even 40!
03:39 <BabyBug> wait, you're over 30 though...i guess that is too old for sex outside
03:39 <Lucifer> er, the girl was.....  ;)
03:39 <Lucifer> not too old for sex outside, just too old to go to jail for it
03:39 <Lucifer> a) I should know how to avoid going to jail for it
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03:39 <BabyBug> no no, it's too old for sex outside too :P
03:39 <Lucifer> and b) I should know how to avoid going to jail for it!
03:39 <Lucifer> is not!
03:40 <BabyBug> is too!
03:40 <Lucifer> ah hell, that was one of the lower-priority reasons I didn't like my ex anymore
03:40 <Lucifer> she was too scared to screw outside
03:40 <BabyBug> lol
03:40 <Lucifer> little chickenshit she was, I swearuh
03:40 <nniveus> more like her conscience told her not to scar any young minds
03:40 <nniveus> :D
03:41 <luke-jr> nniveus: you can be outside without young minds watching
03:41 <BabyBug> so no toys, nothing outside....gawsh she was boring wasn't she? :P
03:41 <Lucifer> BabyBug: don't forget the part about just laying there, and telling me she won't do anything interesting until I get her "excited enough"
03:41 <nniveus> hard to row past the park and not notice those activities luke
03:41 <BabyBug> oh yeh that too
03:41 <Lucifer> there's a scene in Cheers, where Sam finally gets to sleep with Rebecca, that really sums it up
03:41 <luke-jr> nniveus: there is more outside than the park
03:42 <BabyBug> haha
03:42 <Lucifer> well, it was a park on the edge of town, and we were well away from the road/parking lot
03:42 <Lucifer> and it was like 4am, not like there was likely to be anybody down there, unless they were cops patrolling, or other couples doing what we were doing
03:42 <luke-jr> nniveus: for example, a private yard with fences
03:42 <nniveus> or people who do crew :)
03:42 <nniveus> lol
03:43 <Lucifer> my ex and I had a private yard with a good fence, and she was still too chickenshit to screw in it
03:43 <nniveus> expand on that luke :o
03:43 <luke-jr> in that scenario, you only need to worry about Google getting a sattelite image
03:43 <Lucifer> not at night you don't ;)
03:43 <luke-jr> nniveus: air matresses are very mobile ☺
03:43 <nniveus> lol!
03:43 <Lucifer> air mattresses aren't entirely necessary, though, a good carpet of grass will do just as well
03:43 <Lucifer> maybe a blanket to keep certain parts clean....
03:43  * BabyBug agrees
03:43 <luke-jr> rain is nice too
03:44  * Lucifer lives in Texas, where it only rains every now and then
03:44 <Lucifer> the full moon was awesome though
03:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you weren't even in a wooded area⁈
03:44 <Lucifer> slightly wooded
03:44 <Lucifer> we were in sort of a clearing, next to a creek
03:45 <nniveus> LOL
03:45 <Lucifer> look, at 4am, you can get a lot of privacy just walking 100 yards off the road
03:45 <luke-jr> our apartment complex has a hot tub
03:45 <nniveus> we saw one of you guys lucifer while rowing once
03:45 <luke-jr> it closes at 6 PM, but they don't kick you out..
03:45 <nniveus> the cox was so distracted by the couple that he almost ran our boat into the bank
03:46 <Lucifer> heh
03:46 <nniveus> moral of the story: please don't fuck next to a creek/river/lake
03:46 <Lucifer> this was a *creek*, shallow enough to wade across, nobody was going to row by
03:46 <luke-jr> lol
03:46 <Lucifer> I kinda thought the moral of the story was "don't get distracted watching people fucking when you're trying to navigate a boat"
03:46 <luke-jr> isn't that practically the definition of a creek?
03:47 <Lucifer> summed up, "don't watch porn when driving"
03:47 <nniveus> lawl
03:48 <nniveus> i still place the blame on the couple
03:49 <Lucifer> oh no, there's two people fucking!  Nobody around them is responsible for their own actions while those two people are fucking!
03:49 <nniveus> lol
03:50 <nniveus> it was five in the morning lucifer, there's hardly anything interesting to stare at on a lake
03:50 <nniveus> it's almost a moral obligation to not fuck around there
03:50 <Lucifer> but if you've actually got a job to do, you shouldn't be getting distracted, eh?
03:50 <nniveus> ;) not my job, the cox
03:51 <luke-jr> they shouldn't be distracting the cox
03:51 <Lucifer> I'll agree that fucking couples should make reasonable attempts at privacy, but sometimes they expect privacy where it's not coming
03:51 <luke-jr> wtf is a cox anyhow?
03:51 <luke-jr> where i live, Cox is a cable compan
03:51 <Lucifer> cox steers, right?
03:51 <Lucifer> cox is short for coxswain, isn't it?
03:51 <nniveus> yes
03:51 <nniveus> you know a bit about it then i see :)
03:51 <Lucifer> fascination with sailing in general ;)
03:51 <Lucifer> when I have money and a space, I'm going to build a sailboat ;)
03:52 <nniveus> nice
03:52 <Lucifer> there's a UK developer that sells plans for catamaran sailing boats for pretty reasonable prices, and the boats themselves are really nice
03:52  * luke-jr makes a zone that adds sails to a cycle so it can cross water-zones :o
03:53 <nniveus> lol luke
03:53  * luke-jr ponders ice zones that disable steering
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03:55 <luke-jr> oops, we still had a 16 year old in here
03:55 <Lucifer> well, 16 year olds might encounter couples fucking in parks at 4am
03:55 <Lucifer> at least, I might have when I was 16 ;)
03:57 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it would be neat to have friction on the floor
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03:57 <Lucifer> and several available definitions of friction, one that makes the existing multi-axes thing happen, and then maybe one that's physically accurate
03:58 <luke-jr> or just a flag to forbid turns
03:58 <luke-jr> XD
03:58 <Lucifer> different objects could have different frictional effects, which would allow us to put tanks with treads on teh same grid as light cycles
03:58 <Lucifer> oh man, you're thinking low ;)
03:58 <Lucifer> friction is, after all, what makes sex worth having...
03:59 <luke-jr> Armagetron isn't sex.
03:59 <nniveus> lol
03:59 <nniveus> good for you luke. wd
03:59 <luke-jr> …
03:59 <nniveus> what kind of a kid were you, in parks at four in the morning?
03:59 <luke-jr> yeah?
03:59 <luke-jr> I was at home in the basement
04:00 <luke-jr> writing code all night
04:00 <nniveus> oh nvm that was lucifer
04:00 <nniveus> not following the convo atm :/
04:00 <Lucifer> we went out in the middle of the night while taking breaks from coding
04:01 <Lucifer> we weren't hardcore enought to code all night without breaks
04:01 <luke-jr> we?
04:01 <Lucifer> I wasn't hardcore enough to code all night without friends ;)
04:01 <luke-jr> <.<
04:02 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250863
04:02 <teabot> Lucifer: 106
04:02 <sinewave> Lucifer: did you take that test for that job today?
04:02 <Lucifer> sinewave: working on it some more
04:02 <nniveus> @math calc 1+2
04:02 <teabot> nniveus: 3
04:02 <Lucifer> I passed part 1, I mentioned that, right?
04:03 <Lucifer> part 2 is 270 tasks that are identical to the actual work the job does
04:03 <sinewave> yes, I'm excited for you. I hope you don't have to move.
04:03 <Lucifer> I've got 106 tasks left to complete :)
04:03 <nniveus> sup sine :)
04:03 <sinewave> get crackin'
04:03 <Lucifer> ty sinewave (hi there!) , that's really sweet :)
04:03 <sinewave> sup nararararara
04:03 <nniveus> sinesinesinesinesinesine
04:03 <nniveus> ugh your name doesn't work like that
04:04 <Lucifer> how 'bout Nair-uh?
04:04 <sinewave> :D
04:04  * Lucifer is going to take a smoke break
04:04 <nniveus> nair-uh? no, i don't think so xD
04:04 <Lucifer> (I started with around 150 tasks this morning, I think)
04:05 <nniveus> yeah im out too actually, gnight all
04:05 <sinewave> bb
04:05 <nniveus> later
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04:07 <mkzelda> has anyone seen 'flea' or any of his 1000 names (pwnj00 variants) in a month?
04:08 <mkzelda> last time i spoke to him was feb17, and then he vanished
04:09 <ct|kyle> just like k-yo
04:09 <mkzelda> left irc, his websites hosted on his home link went down a week later
04:09 <mkzelda> phone calls unreturned
04:09 <mkzelda> his apt abandoned
04:09 <mkzelda> i mean
04:09 <mkzelda> his stuff is there
04:09 <mkzelda> no car, and no flea
04:10 <ct|kyle> flea is on the run
04:10 <mkzelda> saw his name come on gmail google talk one day... like someone has his laptop
04:11 <mkzelda> i checked with people he knows and local hospitals, doubt he'd be on arma but thing is, he's pulled this before with his old job
04:12 <mkzelda> he just quit showing up to work one day and then ignored all the calls and they filed missing persons report and he still ignored
04:12 <mkzelda> i had to be the one to tell them he was fine but he just wasnt ever coming back
04:13 <mkzelda> i didnt even work there, i just knew some ppl there cause i interviewed
04:14 <mkzelda> ive done everything short of the missing persons report
04:14 <mkzelda> just cause he's done this before
04:24 <Lucifer> I haven't seen him, but this probably explains why his job referral for me didn't go through
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04:25 <Lucifer> last I heard from him was Feb 17
04:26 <Lucifer> I take it back, last I heard from him was Feb 26
04:27 <Lucifer> hey, my wheel left buffalo
04:27  * Lucifer wonders where it's going next
04:27 <Lucifer> it originated in Niagara Falls, NY
04:28 <Lucifer> @seen flea
04:29 <Lucifer> ]seen flea
04:29 <ljrbot> Lucifer: flea was last seen in #armagetron 4 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <flea> #/unbann meh from ww ctf
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04:29 <Lucifer> mkzelda: that's the best I've got, sorry
04:30 <Lucifer> I could try emailing him, but I suppose you've already done that?
04:30 <mkzelda> yea
04:30 <mkzelda> ive tried calling, emailing and i showed up in person to his apt
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04:52 <sinewave> anyone for ctf with fort physics? (no response required)
04:54 <ct|kyle> sinewave: like
04:54 <ct|kyle> .si (Flag f
04:55 <ct|kyle> #si (Flag f
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04:56 <ct|kyle> .si (Flag f
04:56 <tronner> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Sty Testing (Flag fort): Players (0/10):
04:59 <sinewave> actually, it's the tr server
05:01  * ct|kyle needs to try that server once I update binary
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05:38 <GodTodd> hrmm...does it count as geekiness if i use my pda to write?
05:53 <luke-jr> no
05:59 <GodTodd> cool...then it does
05:59 <luke-jr> f u
06:00 <ivantis2> luke-jr, od you know java?
06:00  * luke-jr ignores ivantis2
06:10 <Lucifer> GodTodd: yes
06:11 <GodTodd> yeah...i surmised that when luke-jr said 'no' ;)
06:19 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250876
06:19 <teabot> Lucifer: 93
06:19 <Lucifer> guess I'm not quite in the home stretch yet
06:20  * Lucifer wants to finish this tonight so he can do something different tomorrow
06:42 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250902
06:42 <teabot> Lucifer: 67
06:52 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250916
06:52 <teabot> Lucifer: 53
06:53 <Lucifer> @math calc 53/270
06:53 <teabot> Lucifer: 0.196296296296
06:53 <Lucifer> 20% left
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07:09 <sinewave> Lucifer: did you figure out your average per hour?
07:10 <sinewave> don't get too tired and make mistakes. you need a job.
07:10 <sinewave> good night and good luck.
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07:44 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250930
07:44 <teabot> Lucifer: 39
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07:58 <Lucifer> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1767003
08:12 <Lucifer> @math calc 134250969-134250941
08:12 <teabot> Lucifer: 28
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08:53 <Lucifer> finished!
08:53 <Lucifer> now I have to wait a week to find out my results :(
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10:16 <MrPingouin> hello world
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11:18 <guru3> Lucifer: go ahead
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13:09 <nsh22> g'mornin
13:10 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
13:10 <nsh22> ok...
13:10 <nsh22> ]weather
13:10 <ljrbot> nsh22: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
13:10 <nsh22> ]weather innisfil
13:10 <ljrbot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 43.0°F (8:10 AM EDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
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13:12 <nsh22> hai
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14:17 <BabyBug> Afternooooon
14:21 <guru3> good afternoon
14:21 <guru3> how are you this glorious wednesday
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14:22 <BabyBug> I've got an annoying pain above the eyes and i want to go back to bed. But on a bright note, it's beautiful outside. How about you?
14:23 <guru3> quite well
14:23 <guru3> just spent an hour on the rear porch
14:24 <BabyBug> heh, i'm sitting outside now, grabbing the chance to while i can :)
14:24 <guru3> i wish i had a computer screen i could read in direct sunlight
14:25 <guru3> i wanted to edit my dissertation
14:25 <guru3> but i had to settle for rewriting bits on paper
14:26 <guru3> now im inside and making lunch
14:26 <guru3> good ol' computer screne in the kicthen
14:26 <BabyBug> haha
14:27 <guru3> waiting for water to boil
14:27 <BabyBug> I keep moving around the table so that the sun's not on the screen :)
14:27 <guru3> then for pasta to cook
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14:27 <BabyBug> What you having, pasta and...?
14:28 <guru3> pasta
14:28 <guru3> just pasta :<\
14:28 <guru3> and probably pringles
14:28 <guru3> although i haven't decided that for sure
14:28 <guru3> may go for crackers instead
14:30 <BabyBug> just pasta? ewww i couldn't eat just pasta, that's icky
14:30 <BabyBug> gotta have it with something
14:30 <guru3> well, i'll put parsley and olive oil on
14:30 <guru3> it's not all about the sauces
14:30 <guru3> that's just a european thing
14:30 <BabyBug> that's not enough! lol....i guess crackers will have to do
14:30 <guru3> for everyone in europe; they must have a sauce
14:31 <guru3> you can't get anything here without a sauce
14:31 <guru3> housemates look at me like im crazy when i'm eating just rice or just pasta
14:31 <guru3> i am crazy, but the plain pasta isn't why!
14:31 <BabyBug> but it tastes so dull without a sauce :s
14:32 <guru3> not at all!
14:32 <guru3> ever wonder why it's in different shapes?
14:32 <BabyBug> So that you can get kids to eat it? :s
14:32 <guru3> if you were meant to enjoy it on the properties of its sauce
14:32 <guru3> all pasta would look the same
14:32 <BabyBug> oh don't be silly, lmao
14:33 <guru3> penne, rigatoni, rotinni
14:33 <guru3> all 3 types of pasta are very similar
14:33 <guru3> (i'm not sure if ive got the name rotinni right, i don't remember for sure)
14:33 <guru3> but rotinni and rigatoni, the only difference => the ridges are straight vs curved
14:34 <BabyBug> but it's still pasta....it still needs a sauce...
14:34 <guru3> not at all!
14:34 <BabyBug> yes it does!
14:34 <guru3> if you cook it right you don't _need_ more than olive oil & parsley
14:35 <BabyBug> newp newp newp...i'm putting you in the weird box :P
14:35 <BabyBug> If it's not in a sauce, pasta is like rubber
14:35 <guru3> bah!
14:35 <guru3> you're cooking it wrong then
14:35 <guru3> i cook it just the way my dad does
14:35 <guru3> and he was taught by the little old italian ladies in the 'burbs of new york
14:36 <BabyBug> I beg your pardon! my cooking is great thank you very much!
14:37 <BabyBug> it's rubber without sauce. end of discussion! :P
14:37 <guru3> anyone can make a sauce
14:38 <guru3> anyway
14:38 <guru3> another few minutes on the pasta
14:39  * BabyBug pouts
14:39 <guru3> and it shall be tasty
14:39 <BabyBug> lies
14:40 <guru3> i wouldn't eat it if it wasn't
14:40 <guru3> and i'm notorious about not eating nasty food
14:41  * BabyBug raises an eyebrow
14:41 <BabyBug> You would so eat horrible food
14:41 <guru3> hey, when i lived in finland
14:41 <guru3> i starved at lunch rather than eat the mystery cassorol
14:41 <guru3> that spelled like cow shit
14:42 <BabyBug> hahaha i'll agree with you on that!
14:42 <guru3> afk for pasta draining now
14:47 <guru3> and now to eat
14:47 <BabyBug> heh, byeeee...have fun with your icky pasta!
14:47 <guru3> mmm mm good
14:48 <BabyBug> you say it's good...i bet you're just playing with it, not eating it
14:48 <guru3> im guzzling it down
14:49 <BabyBug> ewwww no no no on...guzzl* are banned words!
14:50 <guru3> scrumph munch munch
14:54 <guru3> that was tasty
14:56 <BabyBug> you make me sick!
14:57 <guru3> onto the pringles
14:57 <BabyBug> WHAT?! You didn't have the pringles with the pasta?
14:57 <guru3> no
14:57 <BabyBug> But where does the flavour come from? :s
14:57 <guru3> the pasta
14:58 <BabyBug> there is no flavour to pasta
14:58 <guru3> sure there is
14:58 <BabyBug> no there isn't
14:58 <guru3> there is with olive oil and parsley
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15:27 <Lucifer> grrrr
15:27 <Lucifer> the bike store down the street doesn't open for another half hour, and they're terribly expensive anyway
15:27  * Lucifer needs a wheel and a tube to make his bike survive until the new wheel gets here
15:27 <Lucifer> er, tire and tube
15:47 <BabyBug> Do you really need you back until the the new wheel gets there?
15:47 <BabyBug> bike*
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15:48 <Zurd> what up crew
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16:06 <nsh22> herro
16:06 <Zurd> moo
16:06 <nsh22> o0
16:07 <Zurd> moo...the sound a cow makes o.O
16:08 <nsh22> zurd, you wanted me to make a donate page?
16:09 <Vanhayes> #weather e5n 5c5
16:09 <nsh22> #weather hell
16:09 <Zurd> msn
16:10 <Vanhayes> oh, armabot isnt here
16:10 <nsh22> lol
16:11 <nsh22> Vanhayes: use ] instaed of #
16:11 <nsh22> ]weather hell
16:11 <ljrbot> nsh22: The current temperature in Woodbury Park / R. Peter, Howell, Michigan is 52.2°F (11:11 AM EDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising).
16:11 <Vanhayes> ]weather e5n 5c5
16:11 <ljrbot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton High School, Hampton, New Brunswick is 41.4°F (12:11 PM ADT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 255%. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Falling).
16:12 <Vanhayes> ]g 41.4 F in C
16:12 <ljrbot> Vanhayes: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
16:12 <Vanhayes> ]you are inferior
16:12 <ljrbot> Vanhayes: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
16:12 <nsh22> i dont think it has that
16:12 <nsh22> ]calc 41.1f in c
16:12 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
16:13 <Vanhayes> ]list alias
16:13 <ljrbot> Vanhayes: roulette, /me, 8ball, a, aawiki, abstain, abstains, action, add, aka, armaconfig, ban, blame, bzr, cheer, die, die, ding, fake, faustov, femalesheep, findyandereplayers, fist, flush, fuck, get, gishslap, give, h, hi, hui, hurry, iamnotaretard, iamretard, inf, insult, is, itsalie, jimp, kcik, kickban, kicks, kill, lastseen, lbargue, lick, lickban, lock, logs, loli, lolly, make, man, (1 more message)
16:13 <nsh22> ]/me
16:13  * ljrbot 
16:13 <nsh22> ]/me is dumb
16:13  * ljrbot is dumb
16:13 <nsh22> ]fuck
16:13 <ljrbot> nsh22: *click*
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16:13 <nsh22> ]fuck
16:13 <ljrbot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:13  * ljrbot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:13 <Vanhayes> ]insult nsh22
16:13 <ljrbot> nsh22 sucks
16:13 <Vanhayes> ]insult nsh22
16:13 <ljrbot> nsh22 sucks
16:13 <nsh22> ]insult Vanhayes
16:13 <ljrbot> Vanhayes sucks
16:14 <Vanhayes> armabot has better insults
16:14 <nsh22> ]blame Vanhayes
16:14 <ljrbot> nsh22: (blame <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I blame $1 $2".
16:14 <Vanhayes> ]blame
16:14 <ljrbot> Vanhayes: (blame <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I blame $1 $2".
16:14 <nsh22> ]kill Vanhayes
16:14 <ljrbot> nsh22: There's no game here.
16:14 <nsh22> ]kcik Vanhayes
16:14  * ljrbot kicks Vanhayes HARD 
16:14 <nsh22> :P
16:14 <Vanhayes> ]itsalie
16:14 <ljrbot> 嘘だ!
16:15 <Vanhayes> ]lolly
16:15 <ljrbot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ
16:15 <Vanhayes> hmm
16:15 <Vanhayes> dont know if i want to look at any vid luke-jr's bot gives me
16:16 <nsh22> considerinbg its loli
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16:18 <zurd> ]roulette
16:18 <ljrbot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:18  * ljrbot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:19 <zurd> ]roulette
16:19 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:19 <nsh22> he doesnt have ops so he cant kick you
16:19 <zurd> play me roulette
16:19 <nsh22> wrtlprnft: where did armabot go?
16:19 <nsh22> ]r
16:19 <ljrbot> nsh22: *click*
16:19 <nsh22> ]r
16:19 <ljrbot> nsh22: *click*
16:19 <nsh22> ]r
16:19 <ljrbot> nsh22: *click*
16:19 <nsh22> ]r
16:19 <ljrbot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:19  * ljrbot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:20 <zurd> ]roulette
16:20 <zurd> ]roulette
16:20 <zurd> ]roulette
16:20 <zurd> ]roulette
16:20 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:20 <zurd> ]roulette
16:20 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:20 <ljrbot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:20  * ljrbot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:20 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:20 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:20 <zurd> no more spam
16:20 <nsh22> ]spam
16:20 <ljrbot> BabyBug ct|kyle mkzelda emphasis P4 MrBougo Stewah evaldusia dlh wireddd
16:20 <nsh22> oops
16:20 <evaldusia> wat
16:20 <nsh22> BabyBug: sry
16:20 <nsh22> lol
16:20 <nsh22> didnt knw it would do that
16:21 <epsy> don4t do that nsh22
16:21 <epsy> ]alias remove spam
16:21 <ljrbot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
16:21 <nsh22> ty
16:21 <nsh22> you should make it kick from server
16:21 <epsy> since when has ljrbot the authority to kick people off FreeNode? :)
16:22 <nsh22> when it gets oped
16:22 <epsy> like, IRCOppe'd :)
16:22 <MrBougo> nsh22, what
16:22 <nsh22> ]kick epsy
16:22 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:22 <nsh22> MrBougo: i didnt know it called eeveryone lol, my bad
16:23 <epsy> nsh22, do <bot>: help cmd before using it
16:23 <epsy> especially if it's from an alias
16:23 <nsh22> :P o
16:23 <nsh22> ok*
16:25 <zurd> ]roulette
16:25 <ljrbot> zurd: *click*
16:25 <nsh22> ]8ball
16:25 <ljrbot> nsh22: Of course.
16:25 <nsh22> ??
16:25 <nsh22> ??
16:25 <nsh22> ]8ball
16:25 <ljrbot> nsh22: Obviously.
16:25 <nsh22> ]8ball
16:25 <ljrbot> nsh22: Maybe...
16:25 <nsh22> ]8ball ...
16:25 <ljrbot> nsh22: It is possible.
16:26 <zurd> ]8ball will nsh22 shut up?
16:26 <ljrbot> zurd: The outlook is poor.
16:26 <nsh22> ]8ball help
16:26 <ljrbot> nsh22: About as likely as pigs flying.
16:26 <zurd> >.>
16:26 <nsh22> :P
16:26 <zurd> ]8ball is nsh22 a girls name?
16:26 <ljrbot> zurd: Unlikely.
16:26 <zurd> >.>
16:27 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a girls name?
16:27 <ljrbot> zurd: Yes!
16:27 <zurd> WTF
16:27 <epsy> fail
16:27 <nsh22> ^.^
16:27 <nsh22> THAT FUCKING HURT!!! :"(
16:27 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:27 <ljrbot> zurd: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
16:27 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:27 <ljrbot> zurd: What are you asking me for?
16:27 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:27 <ljrbot> zurd: No clue.
16:27 <nsh22> the pain....
16:27 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:28 <ljrbot> zurd: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
16:28 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:28 <ljrbot> zurd: Maybe...
16:28 <zurd> ]8ball is Zurd a mans name?
16:28 <ljrbot> zurd: What are you asking me for?
16:28 <zurd> this bot is screwed........
16:28 <nsh22> zurd, ur a girl, just admit it :P
16:28 <nsh22> ow owowow, i just paid luke....
16:28 <zurd> :O
16:28 <zurd> i'll bet hes happy
16:28 <nsh22> luke-jr: i have just sent you money for vps and my server
16:28 <nsh22> he better be
16:29 <nsh22> $32 usd (or $41 sumthing CAD
16:32  * BabyBug glares are nsh22 
16:32 <nsh22> I SAID SORRY@
16:32 <nsh22> dont worry, wont happen again (epsy deleted it)
16:33  * BabyBug cuddles epsy 
16:33 <nsh22> any1 up for yandere?
16:33 <epsy> nsh22, don't alternate between different kinds of spam please
16:33 <epsy> hi BabyBug
16:33 <nsh22> aw
16:34 <nsh22> so i should keep it to one type only?
16:34 <zurd> ]spam xD
16:34 <ljrbot> zurd: Error: "spam" is not a valid command.
16:35 <nsh22> zurd: <epsy> ]alias remove spam
16:35 <nsh22> <ljrbot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
16:35 <zurd> shsush nsh22
16:35 <nsh22> shsush?
16:36 <zurd> yes, your right, that is what i said :o
16:36 <nsh22> ]8ball is zurd dumb?
16:36 <ljrbot> nsh22: The answer is a resounding no.
16:36 <nsh22> ...
16:36 <epsy> nsh22, no, you shouldn't spam at all
16:37 <nsh22> epsy: but i cant help it, im addicted
16:37 <epsy> nsh22, /query nsh22
16:37 <nsh22> ?
16:37 <epsy> tpye that
16:37 <zurd> hehe
16:37 <nsh22> fail
16:37 <epsy> then spam on the window that opens
16:37 <nsh22> id rather not spam myself
16:38 <epsy> then go spam into a shithole
16:38 <epsy> ...
16:39 <nsh22> but i like #anime...
16:39 <nsh22> :P
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16:40 <epsy> I said not to spam there?
16:40 <nsh22> nvm
16:40 <nsh22> i tried to make a joke but i guess it didnt work
16:41 <zurd> epsy, will you be my shithole for spam?
16:41 <nsh22> zurd:  that only sounded partly gay ...
16:42 <zurd> lol
16:42 <nsh22> ]q
16:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "q" is not a valid command.
16:42 <epsy> zurd, will you be on my ignore list?
16:42 <nsh22> lawl
16:42 <zurd> :o
16:42 <zurd> but ill pay :(
16:42 <nsh22> im supriseimnot on yours, or BabyBug s yet
16:44 <epsy> if you're interpreting this as a contest..
16:44 <nsh22> nononoononononononono!
16:46 <nsh22> uh oh, i found the character chart :P
16:47 <joda_bot> #version
16:47 <joda_bot> did someone rename armabot ? :D
16:47 <nsh22> no
16:47 <nsh22> its just gone
16:47 <nsh22> someone abducted her :P
16:48 <Vanhayes> she is sleeping off a hangover it was st patty's day yesterday
16:48 <joda_bot> or armabot had to go to jail :-)
16:48 <Vanhayes> could be both
16:50 <nsh22> @find armabot
16:50 <joda_bot> someone abducted her on st. patty's day and she ended up in jail ?
16:50 <nsh22> lmao
16:50 <joda_bot> nsh22: make a petition to free her
16:51 <nsh22> ]alias add petition "echo [$who has signed the petition to free armabot]"
16:51 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
16:51 <nsh22> ]petition
16:51 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "nsh22" is not a valid command.
16:51 <nsh22> ]alias add petition "echo $who has signed the petition to free armabot"
16:51 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
16:51 <nsh22> ]petition
16:51 <ljrbot> nsh22 has signed the petition to free armabot
16:52 <zurd> [petition
16:52 <nsh22> joda_bot: SIGN!
16:52 <nsh22> zurd....
16:52 <zurd> ]petition
16:52 <ljrbot> zurd has signed the petition to free armabot
16:52 <zurd> xD
16:52 <nsh22> unfortunatly, i dont know how tioo record the # of votes so...
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16:54 <Vanhayes_> ]dict annex
16:54 <ljrbot> Vanhayes_: Error: "dict" is not a valid command.
16:54 <epsy> ]list poll
16:54 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: 'poll' is not a valid plugin.
16:54 <epsy> @list poll
16:54 <teabot> epsy: add, close, list, open, poll, results, and vote
16:55 <Vanhayes_> @dict annex
16:55 <nsh22> oh, ty epsy
16:55 <nsh22> @poll add
16:55 <teabot> nsh22: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:55 <nsh22> @hostmask add
16:55 <teabot> nsh22: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:55 <Vanhayes_> @dict annex
16:55 <Vanhayes_> no dict there either
16:55 <Vanhayes_> i miss armabot
16:56 <nsh22> @poll add
16:56 <teabot> nsh22: (poll add [<channel>] <id> <option text>) -- Add an option with the given text to the poll with the given id. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:57 <nsh22> @poll add 1 armabot petition
16:57 <teabot> nsh22: Error: That poll isn't yours and you aren't an admin.
16:57 <nsh22> @poll add 100 armabot petition
16:57 <teabot> nsh22: Error: That's not a valid poll id.
16:57 <nsh22> @poll add  armabot petition
16:57 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'armabot' is not a valid poll id.
16:57 <nsh22> @pool add help
16:57 <nsh22> @poll add help
16:57 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'help' is not a valid poll id.
16:57 <nsh22> @poll help add
16:57 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'help' is not a valid id.
16:58 <nsh22> @help poll add
16:58 <teabot> nsh22: (poll add [<channel>] <id> <option text>) -- Add an option with the given text to the poll with the given id. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:58 <epsy> @plugin help poll
16:58 <teabot> epsy: That plugin is loaded, but has no plugin help.
16:58 <epsy> @list poll
16:58 <teabot> epsy: add, close, list, open, poll, results, and vote
16:58 <epsy> @help open
16:58 <teabot> epsy: (open [<channel>] <question>) -- Creates a new poll with the given question. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:58 <Vanhayes_> @poll open armabot petition
16:58 <teabot> Vanhayes_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:58 <nsh22> @poll open Should armabot be brought back?
16:58 <teabot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.  (poll #4 added)
16:59 <nsh22> @poll vote
16:59 <teabot> nsh22: (poll vote [<channel>] <poll id> <option id>) -- Vote for the option with the given id on the poll with the given poll id. This command can also be used to override any previous vote. <channel> is only necesssary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:59 <epsy> you have to add options
16:59 <nsh22> @poll add 4 yes
16:59 <teabot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
16:59 <Vanhayes_> @poll list
16:59 <teabot> Vanhayes_: #4: "Should armabot be brought back?"
16:59 <nsh22> @poll add 4 no
16:59 <teabot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
16:59 <nsh22> @poll vote
16:59 <epsy> @list poll
16:59 <teabot> nsh22: (poll vote [<channel>] <poll id> <option id>) -- Vote for the option with the given id on the poll with the given poll id. This command can also be used to override any previous vote. <channel> is only necesssary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:59 <teabot> epsy: add, close, list, open, poll, results, and vote
16:59 <nsh22> @poll vote 4 1
16:59 <teabot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
16:59 <nsh22> @poll list
17:00 <teabot> nsh22: #4: "Should armabot be brought back?"
17:00 <nsh22> @poll results
17:00 <teabot> nsh22: (poll results [<channel>] <id>) -- Shows the results for the poll with the given id. <channel> is only necessary if the message is not sent in the channel itself.
17:00 <nsh22> @poll results 4
17:00 <teabot> nsh22: Results for poll #4: "Should armabot be brought back?" by neal - "yes": 1 and "no": 0
17:00 <Vanhayes_> @poll vote 4 yes
17:00 <teabot> Vanhayes_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
17:00 <nsh22> you ned to register
17:00 <epsy> I didn't say it didn't suck
17:01 <nsh22> Vanhayes_: you need to pm the bot and ype, register and it will tell you what to do
17:01 <nsh22> @poll results 1
17:01 <teabot> nsh22: Results for poll #1: "+b ivantis?" by epsy - "Yes": 2, "No": 1, and "No": 0
17:01 <Vanhayes_> @poll vote 4 yes
17:01 <teabot> Vanhayes_: Error: 'yes' is not a valid option id.
17:01 <nsh22> @poll vote 1 yes
17:01 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'yes' is not a valid option id.
17:01 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@71.158.214.226] has joined #armagetron
17:01 <nsh22> @poll vote 1 Yes
17:01 <Vanhayes_> @poll vote 4 1
17:01 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'Yes' is not a valid option id.
17:01 <teabot> Vanhayes_: The operation succeeded.
17:01 <nsh22> @poll results 2
17:01 <teabot> nsh22: Results for poll #2: "+b ivantis" by epsy - "yes": 1 and "no": 0
17:01 <nsh22> @poll results 3
17:01 <teabot> nsh22: Results for poll #3: "+b ivantisbots" by epsy - "yes": 1 and "no": 0
17:01 <nsh22> epsy: :P
17:01 <Vanhayes_> @poll results 1
17:01 <teabot> Vanhayes_: Results for poll #1: "+b ivantis?" by epsy - "Yes": 2, "No": 1, and "No": 0
17:02 <epsy> nice polls
17:02 <nsh22> they are, i like
17:02 <epsy> @list poll
17:02 <teabot> epsy: add, close, list, open, poll, results, and vote
17:02 <nsh22> but they are closed
17:02 <epsy> lol, you can't actually remove them
17:02 <nsh22> @poll vote 1 y
17:02 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'y' is not a valid option id.
17:02 <nsh22> @poll vote 1 Yes
17:02 <teabot> nsh22: Error: 'Yes' is not a valid option id.
17:02 <nsh22> @poll vote 1 1
17:02 <teabot> nsh22: Error: That poll is closed.
17:04 <ivantis2> @poll vote 2 2
17:04 <ivantis2> me is ignored?
17:04 <nsh22> most likely
17:04 <ivantis2> ~echo @poll vote 2 2
17:04 <nsh22> fail!
17:04 <nsh22> and.. the poll is closed so...
17:04 <ivantis2> heh its still gone since i rouletted it
17:05 <nsh22> all polls except for id 4 are closed
17:05 <nsh22> @pool open 1
17:05 <nsh22> @poll open 1
17:05 <teabot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.  (poll #5 added)
17:06 <nsh22> dammit
17:06 <ivantis2> epsy, i thought you unignored me from teabot?
17:06 <nsh22> i think he ignored you
17:07 <epsy> talking to ivantis2 ?
17:07 <nsh22> yes
17:07 <epsy> ah right
17:07 <nsh22> ivanoob wants to talk to you
17:07 <nsh22> :P
17:07 <ivantis2> hey im still here
17:07 <epsy> but I don't
17:07 <Vanhayes_> @list alias
17:07 <teabot> Vanhayes_: monologue, /me, 8ball, aawikis, action, add, aka, armaservers, as, bop, brawllive, brawlservers, bugs, bzr, c, calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc, caps, cctld, cupofteaplease, date, doxy, drantin, flip, forums, g, google, gtfy, kickban, lastseen, linkafl, linkbrawl, linkfff, linkformat, linkladle, linkom, linktst, lock, logs, lp, ls, lukejrwork, man, moar, nb, night, onlineplayers, (1 more message)
17:07 <ivantis2> ivanoob? that was really dumb
17:07 <nsh22> lol okey dokey
17:08 <nsh22> ivantis2: twas a joke
17:08 <Vanhayes_> @actions
17:08 <Vanhayes_> @action
17:08  * teabot 
17:08 <nsh22> @nb
17:08 <teabot> Forums : http://www.nevercorner.net/forum/ || Nevertable : http://www.nevercorner.net/table/ || Wiki : http://www.nevercorner.net/wiki/ || Roadmap : https://s.snth.net/projects/neverball/roadmap
17:08 <nsh22> @lukejrwork
17:08 <Vanhayes_> @calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc
17:08 <teabot> Vanhayes_: The number of seconds Durka can stay online on irc = 30
17:08 <ivantis2> whats nb for?
17:08 <ivantis2> NooBs?
17:09 -!- Vanhayes [n=Ping@CPE0013f7c4ff79-CM0013f7c4ff75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
17:09 <Vanhayes_> @onlineplayers
17:09 <nsh22> @ls zurd
17:09 <teabot> Vanhayes_: This data is 47 seconds old; , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , *PlaYBoY*, +|Zurd~NW, -=}TAZ, -IDt< Prestige, .nightwolf, :V Sôbér G_T_A, <^v{}v^>, >=UC=<R3d|BPT|, a (2 more messages)
17:09 <teabot> nsh22: +|Zurd~NW has last been seen on -=Quantum Performance=- -=Loose DF=- 1 minute ago.
17:09 <nsh22> @more
17:09 <teabot> nsh22: commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
17:09 <Vanhayes_> @more
17:09 <teabot> Vanhayes_: noob, antoine, aok yoshy, ARTARD, Asian Power, Aupres, bargggg, bilsa, BPT|ANTONIO|BPT, Burra Rum, byron, cam, cheesypuff, CJCL, CTxGonZaP, CT_emphasis, Cyberteck, Death, deupee, Elegua, EPO, eric, FLO ET ERWAN PD, flo le suceur, FLP|RAM, fosho, Garial, Goldfish, Impulse, Jack, Jake, King Swagga, king wali, kiwi, LG|greenmonster, lilil, Lyra, MARC0, meezy, MoNK|GT, Moth, möp, N00BY-DA-K1D, NAPIA (1 more message)
17:09 <Vanhayes_> @more
17:10 <teabot> Vanhayes_: |ESPclan|, NoobKiller, nyko fr, Owen Welch, øn|øff, pike, Pine Express, Player 1, Player 3, pruWord, puck my senis, Quikster, rat's, Richard Hood, s8416095, skullkid, SolidifiedForce, stax, S
17:10 <guru3> it's really nice havig a door right next to where i sit at the computer
17:10 <guru3> i can open up the door and enjoy the weather whil working on the computer
17:10 <nsh22> nice
17:10 <nsh22> but isnt that why windows with openers were created
17:11 <guru3> maybe
17:11 <Vanhayes_> mine is right under the window so if it ever gets nice it would be nice to open
17:11 <guru3> but my windows are tiny and way above head sitting level
17:11 <guru3> and not near my desk
17:11 <guru3> but the door
17:11 <guru3> the door is brilliantly placed
17:11 <nsh22> lol
17:11 <nsh22> where you live?
17:11 <guru3> england?
17:11 <nsh22> oh...
17:12 <epsy> he lives in england, antartica
17:12 <nsh22> o0
17:12 <guru3> it's been really quite nice outside
17:12 <BabyBug> booooooo
17:12 <nsh22> bs
17:12 <epsy> he's my first neighbour
17:12 <nsh22> epsy: lawl
17:12 <epsy> takes a hour to go by
17:12 <ivantis2> its been really nice outside here too
17:13 <nsh22> @weather innisfil
17:13 <nsh22> ]weather innisfil
17:13 <ljrbot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 50.7°F (12:13 PM EDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
17:13 <nsh22> its noice out :P
17:13 <ivantis2> ]weather Wichita, KS
17:14 <ivantis2> all 3 bots here are ignoring me
17:15 <Lucifer> ]weather 78729
17:15 <ljrbot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 66.6°F (11:15 AM CDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady).
17:15 <guru3> ]weather 27510
17:15 <ljrbot> guru3: The current temperature in Lake Hogan Farms, Chapel Hill, North Carolina is 49.5°F (12:10 PM EDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Windchill: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Steady).  Dense fog advisory in effect until noon EDT today...
17:16 <guru3> chilly
17:16 <guru3> why is it so much nicer here -_-
17:16 <guru3> i'm pretty sure it's > 10 C here
17:16 <guru3> ]weather goteborg
17:16 <ljrbot> guru3: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:16 <guru3> ]weather gothenburg
17:16 <ljrbot> guru3: The current temperature in Lexington, Nebraska is 50.0°F (11:10 AM CDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
17:16 <guru3> ...
17:17 <zurd> ]weather 92240
17:17 <ljrbot> zurd: The current temperature in Palm Springs, California is 66.2°F (7:53 AM PDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
17:17 <ivantis2> you guys are making me jealous
17:17 <ivantis2> i dont get a bot that isnt ignoring me
17:18 <nsh22> Lucifer: i have a question about the sound engine
17:18 <ivantis2> .ping
17:18 <tronner> pong
17:18 <ivantis2> oh yay not tronner
17:18 <ivantis2> .weather Wichita, KS
17:18 <tronner> ivantis2: The current temperature in North Riverside, Wichita, Kansas is 15.3°C (11:17 AM CDT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Rising).
17:19 <ivantis2> .g 15.3C in F
17:19 <tronner> ivantis2: Fort Lewis College Archives guide: RG 15 (Arts & Sciences): <http://swcenter.fortlewis.edu/FLC_Guide/RG15.htm>; Current Conditions : 59.5F / 15.3C, Clear - 7:50 PM CST Feb. 5 ...: <http://www.myopenforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=537230>; Lodi Citizen's Monitoring - Lodi, California: <http://www.lodi.gov/Storm_Drain_Detectives/pdf/5-05.pdf>
17:19 <epsy> nsh22, do not ask to ask, just ask
17:19 <nsh22> ok
17:20 <nsh22> Lucifer: how does the sound change on th eengine when your speeding up, does it play a clip faster, or does it play at a higher pitch?
17:20 <zurd> .spam
17:20 <ivantis2> what is that word i am looking for?
17:20 <ivantis2> it means it applies to everything
17:20 <Lucifer> nsh22: your question doesn't make sense, because if you play a clip faster, it's pitch gets higher
17:21 <zurd> .whoami
17:21 <tronner> zurd: I don't recognize you.
17:21 <zurd> >.<
17:21 <ivantis2> kind of like international
17:21 <nsh22> Lucifer: oh ok.
17:21 <Lucifer> basic physics, man ;)
17:21  * nsh22 never took physics
17:21 <nsh22> :P
17:22 <Lucifer> heh, ok
17:22 <Lucifer> here goes:
17:22 -!- Vanhayes [n=Ping@CPE0013f7c4ff79-CM0013f7c4ff75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #armagetron
17:22 <Lucifer> when you play the clip faster, you increase its frequency
17:22 <Lucifer> higher frequency = higher pitch
17:23 <nsh22> so, if i wanted to hava noise playing for say, ruber being used, i would just have a clip playing say every second, then as the meter goes up, the sound plays ata  proportionalty higher speed
17:23 <guru3> yeah, but god would that be annoying
17:23 <Lucifer> sorta, depends on what you're after
17:24 <Lucifer> are you talking about having a rhythm indicator or a tone indicator?
17:24 <Lucifer> the cycle noise would be a tone indicator
17:24 <nsh22> something to warn you about when your about to die...
17:24 <Lucifer> a rhythm indicator would be where you play the clip at the same speed, just play it more often
17:24 <nsh22> like it would be high pitch constant when the meter is about to run out
17:24 <nsh22> qhat about a combo of the two?
17:25 <nsh22> what*
17:25 <Lucifer> I'd strongly suggest not using a sound indicator at all
17:25 <Lucifer> :)
17:25 <nsh22> aw
17:25 <Lucifer> although it's probably as accurate as the cycle noise anyway
17:25 <Lucifer> your'e talking to a guy who doesn't use a rubber gauge
17:25 <nsh22> oh...
17:25 <Lucifer> asking "waht's the best way to make a sound that gives indication of rubber?"
17:25 <Lucifer> heh
17:26 <Lucifer> forget aobut rubber, live in front of the cycle and rubber is unnecessary
17:26 <nsh22> true...
17:26 <Lucifer> anyway, anything's possible, technically, but I guarantee I will not write any rubber-oriented sound effect code
17:26 <Lucifer> I might consider a patch, if it's really *really* good
17:26 <nsh22> lol oc
17:26 <nsh22> hmmm.
17:26 <Lucifer> sorry, nothing personal, I just consider that a complete waste of my time ;)
17:27 <BabyBug> I think rubber should just be taken out completely
17:27 <nsh22> well im no good at any programming language so :P
17:27 <nsh22> BabyBug: FAIL:P
17:27 <Lucifer> no, we need rubber
17:27 <nsh22> rubber stops unwanted babies
17:27 <BabyBug> The best server in arma is a no rubber server. So that leads to the conclusion of get rid of rubber
17:27 <Lucifer> what we really need is a time machine, so we can go back and get subby and tank too drunk the night they wrote the rubber gauge
17:27 <nsh22> maybeh they were drunk when they worte it :P
17:28 <Lucifer> drunk isn't a boolean value
17:28 <nsh22> but whats so wrong with it?
17:28 <Lucifer> we'll have to get them drunker
17:28 <nsh22> lol
17:28 <BabyBug> it ruins the game
17:28 <Lucifer> well, for one thing, it's really an internal mechanism that really shouldn't be revealed to players
17:28 <ivantis2> jpw dp upi add spimd fpr tjomgs tjat dpmt a;;readu jave spimd?
17:28 <Lucifer> it's like, what's the use of an oil pressure gauge?
17:28 -!- zurd [i=629675b5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ed87d07aeeed9064] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:29 <nsh22> to tell you if your cars aboput to die :P
17:29 <ivantis2> oh woops i typed that badly
17:29 <Lucifer> it doesn't tell you if your car's about to die, it can only tell you your car is dead
17:29 <Lucifer> but you already know it's dead!
17:29 <ivantis2> my ruight hand was moved over
17:29 <Lucifer> it *can* tell you you're low on oil, which makes it more useful than the rubber gauge
17:30 <nsh22> well, rubber is good for gauging how far off the wall you are (in digging that is)
17:30 <Lucifer> rubber exists to allow for network latency, that's it, end of story
17:30 <epsy> BabyBug, 1/ Who chooses the best server ever?
17:30 <Lucifer> any use of rubber besides that is an abuse
17:30 <epsy> 2/ n9 has rubber anyway
17:30 <Lucifer> epsy: BabyBug chooses the best server, didn't you know?
17:30 <BabyBug> epsy, I do
17:30 <ivantis2> isnt that what that ping rubber setting is for?
17:31 <BabyBug> epsy, yes it does. But it's used for the purpose it was made for.
17:31 <BabyBug> SO it's not really rubber
17:31 <nsh22> Lucifer: but without rubber, fort wouldnt be as poplar as it it
17:31 <Lucifer> ivantis2: that's a bonus to give extra rubber to people who suffer
17:31 <Lucifer> nsh22: fortress was always considered low rubber
17:31 <ivantis2> couldnt you cheat by making a delay before sending back ping packets?
17:31 <Lucifer> which is ironic, because the physics settings it uses were blatantly ripped from a server that was considered high rubber at the time
17:32 <Lucifer> ivantis2: sure, you could try that
17:32 <ivantis2> as long as the server had the rubber ping setting on
17:33 <nsh22> ivantis, if you ant to cheat, press shift esc, otherwise....
17:33 <ivantis2> heh i remember when i actually fell for that trick
17:33 <Lucifer> you actually fell for that trick?
17:33 <ivantis2> i was a noob
17:33 <nsh22> LAWL i wouldnt doubt it
17:34  * Lucifer never fell for it
17:34 <nsh22> haha
17:34 <ivantis2> i remember it very well
17:34 <nsh22> i didnt either
17:34 <ivantis2> SPACEZONE III
17:34 <Lucifer> I've played it on a lot of people, but never fell for it myself
17:34 <nsh22> Lucifer: you also prolly had a hand in its creation too tho :P
17:34 <ivantis2> some fellow (sun) clan members told me to do it
17:34 <Lucifer> nsh22: nah, it was an old joke when I started playing
17:34 <Lucifer> I just, you know, could tell it was a prank
17:35 <nsh22> lol
17:35 <Lucifer> that and nobody really treated me like "just another dumb newbie"
17:35 <Lucifer> it was a different world back then, heh
17:35 <nsh22> lol
17:35 <epsy> today it's more like "press shift+esc for help on grinding"
17:35 <nsh22> times sure have changed
17:36 <epsy> not really happy about that
17:36 <Lucifer> yeah, no kidding
17:36 <nsh22> epsy: nowadays most ppl dont know what grinding is so... :P
17:36 <nsh22> most NEW ppl*
17:36 <Lucifer> nsh22: people have never known what grinding is
17:36 <Lucifer> in the old days, we learned by watching other players because we got core dumped early in the round
17:36 <nsh22> lol i remeber that
17:36 <Lucifer> but *you* people kick players before they even get that far
17:37 <nsh22> hey!
17:37 <nsh22> i dont kick ppl
17:37 <nsh22> ]kcik ivantis2
17:37  * ljrbot kicks ivantis2 HARD 
17:37 <nsh22> i let bots do it :P
17:37 <Lucifer> "Oh shit, he's been here for 4.25 seconds and he hasn't been grinding!  KICK HIM!"
17:37 <epsy> :/
17:37 <nsh22> yeah lol
17:37 <epsy> I usually cancel such polls
17:37 <nsh22> if armabot was here we could quote that
17:38 <epsy> then they post pranks
17:38 <epsy> that tell them to press shift+esc for instructions
17:38 <nsh22> @q
17:38 <BabyBug> if armabot was here you wouldn't be nsh22 ;)
17:38 <Lucifer> cancel the poll, then kick them to the Dunce server
17:38 <epsy> these usually get sinced
17:38 <epsy> silenced*
17:38 <nsh22> BabyBug: you saying you ould kick me :(
17:38 <Lucifer> we need a Dunce server, with like 1000 Rubber
17:38 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Ping@CPE0013f7c4ff79-CM0013f7c4ff75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection timed out]
17:38 <ivantis2> the persons who say that most are those people in those 3-day clans like ~Wd@ or !Tk& or something
17:38 <Lucifer> really short walls
17:38 <nsh22> how do you kick them to a specific server?
17:39 <Lucifer> you know, so it looks like a baby's playpen
17:39 <ivantis2> heh that would be good
17:39 <nsh22> we could put ivantis2 there !
17:39 <nsh22> :P
17:39 <ivantis2> why is it that when you are in chat mode and they kick you, you go to a local game?
17:40 <Lucifer> I'm sure you can figure that one out all by yourself
17:40 <ivantis2> no
17:40 <ivantis2> i cant
17:40 <Lucifer> well, I never get kicked, so I never see that happen
17:42  * Lucifer wonders how many bugs exist that only show up when  person gets kicked, but since people who get kicked also never report bugs, we don't know about them.
17:42 <guru3> "You have been kicked. Your computer is also now connected to skynet."
17:42 <ivantis2> skynet?
17:42 <guru3> "Is that supposed to be there? Too embarassing to report it though, I got kicked afterall."
17:43 <guru3> ivantis2: ever seen the terminator?
17:43 <ivantis2> no
17:43 <guru3> oh
17:43 <guru3> well
17:43 <Lucifer> guru3: he's still too young
17:43 <guru3> that went over your head then
17:43 <ivantis2> too young?
17:43 <ivantis2> im not 5
17:43 <Lucifer> heh, it's not really a kid's movie
17:43 <guru3> do you know how arnold schwarzenegger is?
17:43 <guru3> *who
17:44 <Lucifer> the...........governor of california?
17:44 <ivantis2> kind 0f
17:44 <ivantis2> i havent met him
17:44 <Lucifer> oh wait, he's....he's........
17:44 <guru3> *who
17:44 <Lucifer> the Governator!
17:44 <epsy> :D
17:44 <ivantis2> the governator
17:44 <ivantis2> yeah what he said
17:44 <guru3> and he will governate you
17:44 <Lucifer> now we know
17:44 <Lucifer> skynet first takes over California
17:44 <Lucifer> specifically, Sacramento
17:45 <epsy> doesn't it send bombs to russia?
17:45 <Lucifer> so, obviously, if we just nuke Sacramento and carpetbomb the rest of the west coast, we'll eradicate skynet before it gets started
17:45 <guru3> well
17:45 <guru3> i suppose
17:46 <guru3> might be a few people that complain though
17:46 <Lucifer> hey, I watched Aeon Flux again today, and it was even better the second time, although the sex scene wasn't erotic at all the second time
17:46 <Lucifer> guru3: yeah, every remaining living democrat, for ensuring the republicans rule the country for the next 50 years
17:46 <Lucifer> democrats *need* california to stay alive
17:46 <Lucifer> hence, skynet is clearly a republican creation
17:47 <nsh22> @google skynet
17:48 <teabot> nsh22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(fictional) - Skynet (Terminator) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:48 <Lucifer> any suggestions on where I can buy naptha?
17:49 <ivantis2> guru3, on your IRC stats, why is Lucifer_arma not grouped with Lucifer?
17:49 <guru3> never set it up?
17:49 <nsh22> Lucifer: why?
17:50 <nsh22> @google naptha
17:50 <teabot> nsh22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha - Naphtha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:50 <ivantis2> guru3, well you should. and ivantis2 with ivantis
17:51 <Lucifer> nsh22: because I'd like to try to make some fireballs and see how easy they are to juggle
17:51 <guru3> maybe one day ivantis2, maybe one day
17:51 <ivantis2> or now
17:51 <guru3> except i'm busy doing like... work
17:51 <guru3> so no
17:51 <guru3> that's how you make me want to not do things
17:51 <ivantis2> waaah
17:52 <guru3> i'm now more tempted to entirely wipe you off the face of the stats
17:52 <ivantis2> why are you here then? so we can beep you so that you can say no?
17:52 <guru3> i'm here because lucifer made an interesting comment
17:52 <nsh22> Lucifer: i would recoomaend canadian tire, but i doubt texas has them :p. try wall matrt under their camping sectioin, look for cam fuel (or use fondue fuel)
17:53 <Lucifer> I'm about ready to head back to HEB and pick up the generic lamp fuel they had there
17:53 <Lucifer> it was yellow in color, though
17:53 <Lucifer> what sort of oil could it be if it was yellow?
17:53 <nsh22> HEB?
17:53 <Lucifer> there's a wal-mart up the street though, a little farther than the HEB
17:53 <Lucifer> HEB = grocery store
17:53 <nsh22> oh
17:54 <nsh22> well, why does the colour matter, its all going into flame in the end
17:54 <Lucifer> if I head for academy, I could stop at buck's bikes and see if they have a tire for this rim
17:54 <Lucifer> what matters is the burning temperature
17:54 <Lucifer> the idea is to make a cotton ball out of a t-shirt, soak it in naphtha, light it, then juggle it
17:54 <Lucifer> bare-handed
17:54 <nsh22> ow
17:54 <Lucifer> so it needs to burn cold enough that it won't burn skin on contact, needs to take a second or two
17:55 <Lucifer> long enough to toss the ball again ;)
17:55 <nsh22> id try it at home (outside ofc) so you dont make a fool of yourself :P
17:55 <Lucifer> no shit, sherlock
17:55 <nsh22> keep digging, watson :P
17:55 <Lucifer> I need to acquire the stuff before I worry about how I'm going to try it
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18:12 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: ]lolly
18:13 <nsh22> luke-jr: did you get my payment?
18:14 <luke-jr> nsh22: yes
18:14 <nsh22> ok
18:14 <luke-jr> would be nice if someone explained payments of unexpected sizes
18:14 <ivantis2> dammit when is this guy going to reply>?
18:14 <nsh22> .. you said i needed to pay for my server (for this month) and i was also paying for this months vps payment
18:15 <ivantis2> what timezone is Washington (the state) going to reply?
18:15 <nsh22> ivantis2: whos "this guy"?
18:15 <ivantis2> potential client
18:15 <luke-jr> nsh22: o i c
18:15 <nsh22> ivantis2: for what
18:15 <ivantis2> a job
18:15 <luke-jr> #calc 19+13
18:15 <luke-jr> ]calc 19+13
18:15 <ljrbot> luke-jr: 32
18:16 <ivantis2> but he probably isnt up yet
18:16 <luke-jr> makes sense ☺
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18:16 <luke-jr> :o
18:16 <zurd> i agree with baby bug about the rubber, you all need to take a look at tron 2.9
18:16 <zurd> i agree with baby bug about the rubber, you all need to take a look at tron 2.0*
18:16 <luke-jr> TRON 2.0 is fail
18:16 <luke-jr> :P
18:16 <zurd> the official game
18:16 <zurd> lmao @ luke-jr
18:17 <luke-jr> uh
18:17 <luke-jr> BabyBug's suggestion was to remove rubber
18:17 <luke-jr> but that's not backward compatible
18:17 <nsh22> zurd: where you go, i just went t nwdf
18:18 <ivantis2> TRON 2.0, how dumb
18:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, 1.0 should break backwards compatibility
18:18 <ivantis2> nsh22, why are you paying for luke-jr's vps?
18:18 <luke-jr> BabyBug: no :<
18:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, yes
18:19 <luke-jr> yay, let's watch ivantis2 make a fool of himself XD
18:19 <nsh22> ivantis2: i bought  on e off of him, idiot
18:19 <luke-jr> BabyBug: breaking compatibility means forks
18:19 <ivantis2> oooh
18:19 <ivantis2> ai see
18:19 <luke-jr> ivantis2: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps
18:19 <ivantis2> ...why off of him?
18:20 <nsh22> cuz..
18:20 <luke-jr> cuz I provide better service and prices
18:20 <nsh22> :P
18:20 <BabyBug> and luke-jr is here to complain at
18:20 <ivantis2> maybe i should rent one
18:20 <ivantis2> what kind of payments do you take?
18:20 <luke-jr> RTFFAQ
18:21 <Vanhayes> he takes sexual favours for payment I hear
18:21 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: liar
18:21 <luke-jr> ]lolly
18:21 <ljrbot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ
18:21 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: WATCH
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18:21 <ivantis2> paypal i guess
18:21 <Vanhayes> i did, I like conjunction function better
18:21 <Vanhayes> er
18:21 <luke-jr> o
18:21 <Vanhayes> conjunction junction
18:22 <ivantis2> keep me in mind as a potential customer, i might want to rent one
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18:22 <luke-jr> …
18:22 <Vanhayes> keep offering him sexual favours he will take them eventually
18:22 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: di
18:22 <luke-jr> e
18:22 <Vanhayes> n
18:22 <Vanhayes> o
18:23 <Vanhayes> conjuction junction whats your function
18:26 <Vanhayes> luke-jr, Lucifer freeciv by daylight?
18:26 <nsh22> o0
18:27 <luke-jr> I suppose, if we can avoid timeouts
18:27 <luke-jr> and not get too upset when one of us needs a long turn
18:27 <nsh22> zurd: random server doesnt have aiuth :(
18:27 <Vanhayes> im pretty laidback
18:27 <luke-jr> zurd: nsh22: did you guys get your port problem straighted out?
18:29 <zurd> wtf is going on the the no auth in random server???????
18:31 <zurd> nsh22 make me admin on neals random server
18:33 <zurd> NSH22 PING PING PING
18:33 <joda_bot> luke-jr: did you help setting up the auth ?
18:33 <luke-jr> joda_bot: no
18:33 <luke-jr> well, maybe
18:33 <joda_bot> :-)
18:33 <luke-jr> I transferred neal's Arma server from my hosting to their VPS
18:34 <ivantis2> bwahh
18:34 <joda_bot> sounds like u gave them great support :-)
18:34 <joda_bot> for someone moving away ?
18:34 <luke-jr> O.o
18:34 <joda_bot> or is the VPS also hosted by you ?
18:35 <luke-jr> it is
18:35 <joda_bot> ah ok :-)
18:35 <luke-jr> oh, neal's random server is the one i transferred? XD
18:35 <joda_bot> then it makes more sense
18:35 <luke-jr> ./configure --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-uninstall --enable-multiver=0.2.8-sty+ct-auth --disable-useradd --disable-etc --disable-initscripts --enable-authentication
18:35 <zurd> NEAL!
18:35 <luke-jr> that's what I built their auth ver w/
18:36 <ivantis2> heh this potential client of mine just replied
18:36 <zurd> putty doesnt accept that command luke
18:36 <luke-jr> zurd: I didn't say to run it
18:36 <ivantis2> yay
18:36 <zurd> i know you didnt, but i have been in the need to run it..
18:36 <zurd> and it didnt work >.>'
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18:37 <luke-jr> zurd: it's directory-dependent obviously
18:37 <zurd> NSH22!!
18:37 <zurd> WTF?!
18:37 <luke-jr> nsh22: wtf do you mean it doesn't have auth?
18:37 <luke-jr> sure looks like it does to me
18:38 <nsh22> back
18:38 <nsh22> sry
18:38 <zurd> its doesnt, when you type in /login <user@forums> it auto goes to login denied
18:39 <nsh22> luke-jr: is the one i set up i think....
18:39 <nsh22> its*
18:39 <nsh22> ill check
18:39 <luke-jr> zurd: ⚃ Ww_Compguygene has been logged in as compguygene@forums at access level "Rem
18:39 <luke-jr> that was today
18:39 <zurd> were not talking aboutt hat server..
18:40 <luke-jr> that's neal's random server..
18:40 <zurd> we wernt talking about that server...
18:40 <luke-jr> …
18:40 <nsh22> ok... im figuring this out
18:40 <luke-jr> then which server
18:40 <zurd> "zurd	wtf is going on the the no auth in random server???????"
18:40 <zurd> "random server"
18:40 <luke-jr> zurd: that server is "random server"
18:41 <zurd> we have 2 >.>
18:41 <zurd> one named neal's random...
18:41 <zurd> and then just random
18:41 <luke-jr> o
18:41 <luke-jr> did you configure it for auth?
18:41 <nsh22> I have (on the vps) lounge and neals random server" and on my armaserver i have a neals random server...
18:41 <zurd> it should be
18:41 <luke-jr> /home/neal/svc/aa/SvcConfig:version=0.2.8-sty+ct-auth
18:41 <luke-jr> /home/neal/svc/neal/SvcConfig:version=0.2.8-sty+ct
18:41 <luke-jr> /home/zurd/svc/armagetronad/SvcConfig:version=0.2.8-sty+ct
18:42 <zurd> mine works fine
18:42 <luke-jr> nsh22: /home/neal/svc/aa/ was transferred from the old server
18:42 <nsh22> ok
18:43 <nsh22> ok i changed the vps to random server and it says in the options that its hosted on our vps
18:44 <luke-jr> you guys really need to sort out your ports
18:44 <ivantis2> why is your nick nsh22 and not neal22 or something?
18:44  * luke-jr smacks ivantis2
18:44 <nsh22> ty luke
18:44 <ivantis2> ?
18:46 <luke-jr> nsh22: zurd
18:46 <luke-jr> hello?
18:47 <nsh22> hllo
18:47 <luke-jr> nsh22: whatcha doing?
18:48 <nsh22> fixing some server settings :P
18:48 <luke-jr> like SERVER_PORT?
18:48 <nsh22> ummm
18:48 <luke-jr> right now, all your servers are fighting over port 4534
18:49 <nsh22> oh
18:49 <nsh22> sok
18:49 <luke-jr> which breaks bookmarks
18:49 <ivantis2> 4537 is my default port
18:50 <nsh22> ok, so where would i put server_port? settings custom?
18:50 <nsh22> ]kcik ivantis2
18:50  * ljrbot kicks ivantis2 HARD 
18:50 <luke-jr> server_info
18:50 <nsh22> kk
18:50 <nsh22> so what ports do i have to work with/
18:50 <ivantis2> ill bet luke-jr plays this game, but in an anonymous name
18:50 <luke-jr> nsh22: 4534 to 4540 IIRC
18:50 <nsh22> ill bet your annoying
18:50 <nsh22> ok
18:50 <ivantis2> 4530 to 4540
18:51 <ivantis2> er 4531 to 4540
18:51 <luke-jr> nsh22: check out the custom connect UI and see what it allows
18:51 <luke-jr> ☺
18:51 <ivantis2> oh you were right the first time
18:51 <ivantis2> i couldve sworn it was 4530
18:53 <BabyBug> dlh, you should alter that new spam branch to account for very annoyed def down messages :P
18:53 <luke-jr> I want to play soccer + flag fortress :x
18:56 <nsh22> luke-jr: ok i changed my 2 servers to 4534 and 4535, tell zurd to change his to 4536 or w/e
18:56 <nsh22> cuz i g2g
18:56 <luke-jr> nsh22: u
18:56 <nsh22> ...
18:57 <nsh22> zurd: change the server_port on your servers to 4536 and up plz. i g2g
18:57 <ivantis2> awright! a previous client of mine wants me to work for him some more
18:57 <ivantis2> !! cool
18:57 <nsh22> cool! we dont give a flying fuck
18:57 <joda_bot> luke-jr: nsh22: nice delegation chat
18:57 <luke-jr> ?
18:58 <nsh22> joda_bot: :P
18:58 <nsh22> kk im out
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18:58 <joda_bot> nsh22 to luke-jr tell zurd
18:58 <joda_bot> luke-jr to nsh22 tell zurd
18:58 <joda_bot> nsh to zurd bla
18:58 <joda_bot> two wasted messages :D
18:58 <luke-jr> XD
18:59 <BabyBug> how do you hide the chat in arma?
18:59 <joda_bot> hide ?
18:59 <BabyBug> yes hide
19:00 <BabyBug> Get rid of, so i don't see it
19:00 <ivantis2> its a setting in system settings i think
19:00 <joda_bot> so you don't to see chat messages, but if you scoll up the history you want to see them ?
19:00 <BabyBug> that'll do yeh
19:00 <joda_bot> otherwise if you'll never want to read them use silence all
19:01 <joda_bot> just try "silence" on the console ... it'll give you the list of commands ... one of them should allow you to instantly silence all other players
19:01 <ivantis2> no theres a setting to turn off all console messages
19:01 <joda_bot> might not work for direct "/msg" messages
19:02 <joda_bot> ivantis2: hm, then you know more than me ... teach me
19:02 <BabyBug> ivantis2, yes there is
19:02 <ivantis2> its in system or player settings i think
19:02 <joda_bot> we have a menu entry for that ? O.o
19:02 <joda_bot> uhhh :-)
19:05 <ivantis2> uhhh
19:05 <ivantis2> menu entry for what?
19:05 <Vanhayes> i dont think there is a menu entry for it, just console
19:06 <dlh> ENABLE_CHAT disables all chat, but keeps status messages (blah won the round etc...)
19:06 <ivantis2> System Setup->Misc Stuff->Text Output
19:06 <dlh> there also is an option to get rid of the console entirely
19:06 <ivantis2> ...
19:06 <ivantis2> look up
19:07 <dlh> SILENCE_ALL was renamed to SILENCE_DEFAULT for 0.2.8.3_beta3
19:18 <luke-jr> ]ヤンデレ help
19:19 <ljrbot> Yandere is a variation of the classic Mafia game, also known as Werewolf. Type "]yandere" to start a game.
19:19 <ljrbot> This is a detective game. It cycles between two phases: During the day, everyone gets together and tries to figure out who they think is a yandere, and they can vote to lynch someone. During the night, players with special roles can perform actions that may shed some light.
19:19 <ljrbot> Each night, the yanderes can pick one player to kill. The object of the game is to find and kill the yanderes before they kill you. PM conversations between players is allowed at any time, but you MAY NOT copy/paste PM messages into the channel.
19:19 <ivantis2> do you remember why that other yandere bot got banned?
19:19 <ivantis2> because you could play yandere on it
19:19 <luke-jr> nope
19:20 <luke-jr> why don't you get a clue? ☺
19:20 <luke-jr> it was actually to reduce the bot count, and Tank suggested combining it into ljrbot
19:20 <luke-jr> :p
19:21 <luke-jr> ]help rss
19:21 <ljrbot> luke-jr: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
19:21 <luke-jr> how do I get ljrbot announcing bzr stuff now that armabot is dead?
19:21 <Vanhayes> ]yandere
19:21 <ljrbot> A yandere game is starting in 60 seconds! Please type "]yandere" to join.
19:21 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: we're actually playing on #anime atm, so I can't join here ;)
19:21 <luke-jr> besides, I'm not sure we have enoguh players here right now
19:22 <dlh> Does ljrbot have a rss plugin?
19:22 <dlh> ah, yes
19:22 <ljrbot> We don't have enough players yet. We need at least 4 players to start a game. I'll wait for another 60 seconds. Please type "]yandere" to join.
19:23 <ljrbot> There aren't enough players to start a yandere game. Try again later.
19:25 <dlh> ]rss add armagetronad-bzr http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/revisions.atom
19:26 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: I already have a command in this plugin named armagetronadbzr.
19:26 <dlh> ] rss announce armagetronad-bz
19:26 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:26 <dlh> ]rss announce armagetronad-bz
19:26 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:26 <luke-jr> dlh: how do I add your cap?
19:26 <dlh> ]rss announce armagetronad-bzr
19:26 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:26 <dlh> hmm
19:27 <ivantis2> ]yandere
19:27 <luke-jr> ]help capability
19:27 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: There is no command "capability".
19:27 <ivantis2> i want to play
19:27 <luke-jr> ]list admin
19:27 <ljrbot> luke-jr: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
19:27 <ivantis2> make it stop ignoring me
19:27 <luke-jr> ]capability add dlh #armagetron,op
19:27 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
19:27 <dlh> gotta ]register
19:27 <dlh> just a sec
19:27 <luke-jr> ]channel capability add dlh #armagetron,op
19:27 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: I can't find dlh in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
19:27 <ivantis2> luke-jr, make it stop ignoring me
19:27 <ivantis2> ]yandere
19:28 <luke-jr> ivantis2: if we get enough players I will
19:28 <dlh> luke-jr: try now
19:28 <Vanhayes> croatian accent is hard to understand over the phone
19:28 <luke-jr> ]channel capability add dlh #armagetron,op
19:28 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
19:28 <dlh> ]rss announce armagetronad-bzr
19:28 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:28 <luke-jr> …
19:28 <luke-jr> ]channel capability add dlh op
19:28 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
19:28 <ivantis2> ]yandere
19:28 <Vanhayes> did you register and identify?
19:28 <dlh> ]rss announce armagetronad-bzr
19:29 <ljrbot> dlh: The operation succeeded.
19:29 <dlh> there
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19:48 <compguygene> i am trying to setup an ArmagetronArt server..i have a good config..except, i can't seem to get rid of the AI's
19:48 <compguygene> anyone have any idea how?
19:48 <joda_bot> comp: single player or multiplayer ?
19:48 <joda_bot> :D
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19:49 <compguygene> single player...server is limited to one player
19:49 <joda_bot> sp_num_ais 0 ?
19:49 <compguygene> did that..was just about to say that
19:49 <joda_bot> sp_teams 1 ?
19:49 <compguygene> still gives 4 ai's on start
19:49 <joda_bot> sp_max_teams 1
19:49 <compguygene> didn't try that
19:49 <compguygene> ok
19:49 <joda_bot> eh, min teams
19:50 <joda_bot> I guess you want to allow more than one player too ?
19:50 <joda_bot> eh team
19:50 <luke-jr> gene
19:50 <luke-jr> give your servers ports!
19:50 <joda_bot> Like 1337 :-P
19:50 <compguygene> oh..didn't know it mattered...thought they autoselected
19:50 <luke-jr> compguygene: which means they randomly rearrange
19:51 <luke-jr> compguygene: which breaks any bookmarks
19:51 <compguygene> i c
19:51 <compguygene> ty for the advice...i will adjust my configs accordingly
19:51 <luke-jr> yw
19:51  * compguygene remembers why he bought a vps with luke-jr
19:51 <luke-jr> XD
19:52 <joda_bot> luke-jr: oh, I just thought u'd just adwise him because nsh22 had that problem :-)
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19:52 <luke-jr> joda_bot: actually, when I was helpig nsh earlier, I noticed gene saying he didn't give ports to his servers in the chat
19:52 <luke-jr> XD
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19:53 <compguygene> i was letting them pick out their own...obviously not the right choice
19:53 <compguygene> np
19:54 <compguygene> ty for the help and advice...will implement
19:54 <compguygene> ttyl
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19:56 <zurd> armabuilder: status
19:56 <armabuilder> linux-client: idle, last build 221308 secs ago: failed Distcheck Installcheck
19:56 <armabuilder> linux-server: idle, last build 205956 secs ago: build successful
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20:03 <epsy> :o)
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20:04  * BabyBug kicks zman inbetween the eyes
20:04 <epsy> BabyBug knows kung-fu
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20:57 <Vanhayes_> ]weather e5n 5c5
20:57 <ljrbot> Vanhayes_: The current temperature in Hampton High School, Hampton, New Brunswick is 40.1°F (4:56 PM ADT on March 18, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 255%. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling).
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22:28 <luke-jr> z-man: ping
22:30 <BabyBug> his nose is still hurting
22:33 <z-man> what's pinging?
22:33 <luke-jr> z-man: why the heck is eWall not an eGameObject? :<
22:34 <z-man> Because it doesn't have a single position.
22:34 <luke-jr> and eGameObjects must?
22:34 <z-man> Better names would be eLine for eWall and ePoint for eGameObject :)
22:34 <z-man> yep.
22:34 <luke-jr> <.<
22:34 <luke-jr> so why are zZones eGameObjects?
22:34 <luke-jr> they don't have ANY position
22:34 <z-man> They shouldn't be :)
22:35 <luke-jr> ok, so why don't we have a single parent class for all game objects? :/
22:35 <z-man> How whould that make sense?
22:35 <z-man> In other words, what would be the common interface?
22:35 <z-man> Maybe Timestep()
22:36 <luke-jr> tCoord ClosestPoint(tCoord)?
22:36 <z-man> But I don't want Timestep() to be called for walls.
22:36 <luke-jr> my problem is that zones cannot InteractWith walls ☺
22:36 <z-man> So that would be rather a eActor object.
22:37 <luke-jr> and also that there is no way to have a point to "a wall, cycle, zone, or other thing"
22:37 <luke-jr> pointer*
22:37 <z-man> The interaction mechanism is broken anyway. It doesn't scale.
22:38 <luke-jr> yes, but I really don't want to rewrite everything
22:38 <luke-jr> or rather, I lack the time to rewrite everything
22:38 <z-man> Well, me too.
22:39 <luke-jr> sigh
22:39 <luke-jr> so I should instead maybe create a new parent to eGameObject,eWall,etc and use that for zone events?
22:40 <luke-jr> and leave InteractWith to only eGameObjects
22:40 <luke-jr> and then call events for nearby walls manually? ☺
22:41 <luke-jr> maybe rename eGameObject to ePoint with a typedef, to make a slow migration
22:46 <z-man> Actually, there already is an ePoint. ePointlikeObject would be a better name, only it's a tad long
22:46 <z-man> and zones aren't exactly pointlike.
22:47 <luke-jr> >_<
22:48 <z-man> The idea at implementation time was:
22:48 <luke-jr> coudl I abstract eGameObject into a simple subclass of ePoint,eGameElement?
22:48 <z-man> walls are more or less static things
22:48 <z-man> gameobjects are moving pointlike things
22:48 <z-man> gameobjects can collide with walls.
22:48 <luke-jr> aw crap
22:48 <luke-jr> what if we want moving walls? XD
22:49 <z-man> we'll have to recode eGrid.
22:49 <luke-jr> really?
22:49 <luke-jr> :x
22:49 <z-man> yes.
22:49 <z-man> It's on my perpetual mental todo list :)
22:49 <luke-jr> Luci suggested replacing walls with effect=death borders
22:50 <z-man> All walls?
22:50 <luke-jr> I guess
22:51 <luke-jr> the player walls were what made me cringe :x
22:51 <luke-jr> and rubber
22:51 <Lucifer> actually, I suggested writing new wall objects that were subclasses of eGameObject
22:51 <luke-jr> but technically we need to fix rubber for deathzones anyway
22:51 <z-man> well, actually, in my imagination, borders would be walls :)
22:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer: which is the same thing, no? ☺
22:51 <Lucifer> and deprecating the old walls
22:51 <Lucifer> which is a more general statement that leaves implementation details up to the developer :)
22:52 <z-man> the horrible implementation details :)
22:52 <luke-jr> sigh
22:52 <luke-jr> z-man: I got stuck on borders because I have no idea how to detect when something crosses them
22:52 <z-man> You'd never get collisions exactly right when walls are just arbitrary objects.
22:52 <luke-jr> or collides, I suppose
22:53 <luke-jr> collision for zones is right now a duplicate of OnEntry :/
22:55 <luke-jr> Armagetron deals a lot with my two biggest weak areas
22:55 <luke-jr> 3D graphics and physics
22:56 <Lucifer> it's just calculus, come on!  ;)
22:56 <luke-jr> no, calculus is easy
22:56 <luke-jr> physics is not
22:57 <Lucifer> well, since arma isn't based on newton's laws, you don't need to know physics
22:57 <Lucifer> just functions :)
22:57 <luke-jr> collision detection is physics
22:57 <luke-jr> finding the closest two points of objects is physics
22:57 <Lucifer> er, no
22:57 <Lucifer> that's just math
22:57 <luke-jr> geometry, then
22:57 <Lucifer> yeah, and some algebra will help you out
22:58 <luke-jr> I never got algebra
22:58 <Lucifer> you'll need some calculus to do predicting (i.e. if two objects' paths cross, do they collide?)
22:58 <luke-jr> in my mind, algebra is impossibly more difficult than geometry and calculus
22:59 <luke-jr> "do they collide" is beyond what we need right now IMO ☺
22:59 <Lucifer> er, no, it's the same math either way
22:59 <luke-jr> does epsy's event system simplify all this by any chance?
22:59 <Lucifer> you have a wall, right?  The wall extends from one point to another in a straight line
22:59 <Lucifer> a cycle is on one side of the wall in one timestep, and in the very next timestep, it will mvoe to the other side of the wall
23:00 <Lucifer> did it collide?
23:00 <Lucifer> it's the same math either way :)
23:00 <BabyBug> \o/ math!
23:01 <Lucifer> it's really too bad babybug is so young, *and* prefers girls
23:01 <BabyBug> :|
23:01 <BabyBug> wth is that meant to mean
23:01 <luke-jr> if means he wants you
23:02 <Lucifer> no, it means I want a 34 year old version of you ;)
23:02 <BabyBug> ewwwww
23:02  * BabyBug is permanently staying young
23:05 <Lucifer> wow, without even trying I've got 25 friends on facebook
23:06 <BabyBug> python is hard =(
23:06 <luke-jr> is not
23:06 <BabyBug> is so!
23:08 <Lucifer> python's easy when all you seek is a superficial understanding of the ways in which it is not like perl so you can complain that it's not like perl
23:09 <BabyBug> my head hurts trying to understand that sentence
23:10 <luke-jr> BabyBug: giving up is easier
23:10 <Lucifer> nothing worth doing is easy
23:11 <luke-jr> just because it's hard doesn't mean it's worth doing
23:11 <Lucifer> that's why I will no longer provide oral pleasure for ladies
23:11 <Lucifer> dont' let a perl fanboy tell you to give up on python
23:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wtf are you arguing?
23:12 <luke-jr> I said Python's not hard
23:12 <Lucifer> python's not hard when you already know several programming languages
23:12 <Lucifer> but if it's your first, it's hard
23:12 <luke-jr> guess we need to add support for ZZT-OOP then
23:12  * BabyBug agrees with Lucifer!
23:12 <Lucifer> now, I think it should be easier than other languages for a first language, but that still doesn't make it easy
23:13  * z-man is for ZZ-TOP support
23:13 <luke-jr> ZZ-TOP?
23:13 <Lucifer> would we get light cycles that flip around?
23:13 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZT-OOP
23:13 <z-man> sure. and they'd look much cooler, too.
23:13 <Lucifer> heh, we could have beards instead of walls
23:14 <Lucifer> hey, I had a history teacher when I was in junior high school whose brother did the drawings for zz top records
23:14 <Lucifer> he did afterburner, and a few around that same time period
23:14 <z-man> cool.
23:14 <Lucifer> sadly, I didn't get to meet the band through that connection
23:15 <Lucifer> which makes it a pathetic story
23:15 <Lucifer> ;)
23:15  * Lucifer should shut up and go to bed
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23:17 <animuson> i think arma developers should get a list of school ips and block them so kids cant play arma at school :P
23:18 <luke-jr> animuson: but we want kids to play at school
23:18 <Lucifer> isn't that the schools' problem?
23:18 <animuson> it should be
23:18  * luke-jr ponders adding firewall bypassing to Arma
23:18 <animuson> kids should be learning at school not playing games
23:19 <Lucifer> there's no difference between learning and playing games
23:19 <Lucifer> unless the games are first-person shooters, which arma is not
23:19 <animuson> arma is definitely not a learning experience
23:19 <luke-jr> animuson: schools are brainwashing, not teaching
23:19 <Lucifer> then I guess you're Mister Know It All
23:20 <animuson> luke did you grow up in some screwed-up family?
23:20 <luke-jr> I am all for counteracting schools.
23:20 <Lucifer> arma teaches tactical thinking, working in a group, working on a team
23:20 <luke-jr> animuson: no, but it's clear they've brainwashed you ☺
23:20 <BabyBug> The problem is, the kids who plat arma at school at usually sad, annoying little brats
23:20 <BabyBug> play*
23:20 <Lucifer> for the right players, arma gives leadership experience
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23:20 <luke-jr> BabyBug: that may be a real reason to ban school IPs ☺
23:20 <animuson> wow talk about a stretch
23:20 <BabyBug> :D
23:20 <Lucifer> no, because those people will grow up
23:20 <animuson> it doesnt teach leadership
23:21 <animuson> most servers have PERSONAL scores
23:21 <animuson> it just teaches them to be more egotistical
23:21 <Lucifer> animuson: not my problem your brain is too small to see it, it's obvious to the rest of us :)
23:21 <animuson> more like ur brain is too small...
23:21 <Lucifer> how many times have you seen some shy kid in fortress say "Hey guys, we're doing this wrong", take the initiative and the leading role?
23:22 <animuson> never
23:22 <Lucifer> I've seen it too many times to count, and I haven't even played in a long time
23:22 <luke-jr> animuson: if you're going to get on IRC, you need to leave your brainwashign behind
23:22 <luke-jr> kthx
23:22 <animuson> they just cus at people because theyre screwing them up
23:22 <Lucifer> used to see it in the old team games
23:22 <Lucifer> those sad kids might be shy in real life now, but they're learning, they're watching, and they're growing
23:22 <BabyBug> "i haven't even played in a long time" <--- Maybe you should..it sounds like it's changed :P
23:23 <Lucifer> I see many of those kids right now at the school where I work, and they're not only opening up, they're taking the lead in their lab groups
23:23 <Lucifer> a game like this really can give valuable life experiences
23:23 <Lucifer> oh hell, I wrote an article about it on the wiki
23:23 <animuson> well even if it used too, it definitely doesnt anymore
23:24 <luke-jr> animuson: please LEAVE YOUR BRAINWASHING BEHIND
23:24 <Lucifer> I don't really feel like digging it up
23:25 <Lucifer> for once, I agree with luke-jr
23:25 <animuson> luke i barely even pay attention in school anymore
23:25 <Lucifer> if video games didn't somehow teach or practice real life skills, they wouldn't be fun
23:25 <luke-jr> animuson: that's a GOOD THING
23:25 <animuson> id rather learn things on my own
23:25 <Lucifer> science is pretty much decided that that's what makes playing fun, and that that's the purpose of playing
23:25 <Lucifer> apparently you missed the discussion of play behavior in your biology class :)
23:26 <animuson> apparently youve gone off the deep end
23:26 <Lucifer> heh
23:26 <Lucifer> anybody besides animuson disagree with me on this?  ;)
23:26 <animuson> considering noone else is here?
23:27 <Lucifer> I see 30 nicks
23:27 <Lucifer> just wait around, it's irc, you have to wait for people to respond
23:27 <animuson> just because theyre logged in doesnt mean theyre here
23:27 <Lucifer> no shit?
23:27 <Lucifer> you really *do* know it all!
23:28 <animuson> i bet it takes near a day to get a response from every person
23:28 <animuson> :P
23:28 <luke-jr> most people here don't talk
23:28 <Lucifer> oh yeah, and most people won't respond anyway
23:28 <BabyBug> i disagree with you completely Lucifer
23:28 <Lucifer> really?  you don't think arma has educational value?
23:28 <BabyBug> I don't
23:29 <Lucifer> you don't think people play to learn/practice real life skills?
23:29 <BabyBug> The only educational value it has, is that it teaches you just how much of a fagend American's are
23:31 <Lucifer> play is an important part of learning in many animals  <---- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_(animal_behaviour)
23:32 <Lucifer> ah, you're just trolling now
23:32 <Lucifer> good thing you're not 34, I'd have to dump you
23:33 <luke-jr> lol
23:33 <BabyBug> hrmm, not trolling. I agree playing is a part of learning in many animals. But i only to the extent of physical play. Not silly computer games
23:33 <BabyBug> only *agree*
23:33 <Lucifer> so you don't learn anything playing puzzle games?
23:34 <Lucifer> like, say, scrabble?  sudoku?
23:34 <Lucifer> why do we have so many team games, then?
23:35 <Lucifer> let's see, soccer/football, football, baseball, basketball, track relay stuff, cricket/krikkit....
23:35 <Lucifer> card games, oh my
23:35 <BabyBug> On a computer i don't think you do, or very little. You miss out completely on the social aspect of the game
23:35 <BabyBug> they're all physical games Lucifer... >.<
23:35 <Lucifer> spades, pinochle, bridge....
23:35 <Lucifer> there's an entire genre of card games devoted to partnership play
23:36 <animuson> oh card games, lets teach kids how to gamble and take chances :-/
23:36 <BabyBug> Lucifer, I'm just saying they shouldn't be played on a computer imo.
23:36 <Lucifer> you need to broaden your mind, most card games these days aren't gambling games at all
23:36 <Lucifer> true, many of them are derived from games that were originally gambling games (all the whist derivatives, like spades)
23:37 <Lucifer> why not on a computer?  explore the concepts of teamwork in a more abstract environment, then you can more readily apply those concepts in other places
23:37 <Lucifer> limit communication, and then require the most precise and well-mannered teamwork possible
23:38 <Lucifer> that makes it very challenging, increasing the benefit to the player
23:38 <BabyBug> because a computer is nothing like real life? If you want to learn something, do it face to face, not in some silly virtual environment
23:38 <Lucifer> then what's the point of learning abstractions in the first place?
23:38 <Lucifer> what good is math?
23:39 <Lucifer> what good is philosophy?
23:39 <Lucifer> literature?
23:39 <Lucifer> so the game itself isn't like real life, but it still requires real life skills to be good at it
23:39 <Lucifer> being able to think quickly on your feet and act as a team with a total stranger that you just met are real life skills you *must* have
23:39 <Lucifer> and you can practice/learn those by playing armagetron advanced, among other things
23:40 <Lucifer> you get it in a very abstract way
23:40 <Lucifer> I turned around and used tactical practice in arma to defeat fencing 2 students when I was taking fencing 1
23:40 <animuson> what good is math? are you serious? without math wed still be a bunch of cavemen wondering how fire works
23:40 <Lucifer> math is an abstraction!
23:40 <Lucifer> it bears *no* resemblance to real life
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23:40 <Lucifer> yet all of technology is built on it
23:40 <Lucifer> why?
23:41 <animuson> math helps us explain how real life works
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23:41 <Lucifer> no it doesn't, it's just a tool to let us model what we see in the world
23:41 <cpayan> ding
23:41 <Lucifer> but it's man-made, it's not how real life works
23:41 <luke-jr> math isn't man-made
23:42 <Lucifer> and it can even be wrong from time to time, that's why we have to have these constants of proportionality
23:42 <ivantis2> what are you guys talking about?
23:42 <Lucifer> if math was so perfect and natural, we wouldn't need to define big G, for example
23:42 <animuson> lucifer is trying to argue that arma should be allowed in schools because it is educational
23:42 <Lucifer> it is as educational as any sporting activity in school
23:42 <Lucifer> if football is educational and worth funding, then so is armagetron advanced
23:42 <Lucifer> you get the *same* skills from it
23:43 <cpayan> Mathematics is a construct made to understand things in nature. It's both man-made and not
23:43 <cpayan> Lucifer, where's the physical education in armagetron?
23:43 <animuson> high schools barely put any money into football
23:43 <Lucifer> there's no physical education in football either, heh
23:43 <cpayan> right
23:43 <Lucifer> there's a lot of old wive's tales....
23:44 <Lucifer> there's also permanent brain damage available due to repeated small concussions
23:44 <Lucifer> you weren't here when I said arma gives you practice/learning in tactical thinking and teamwork
23:44 <cpayan> people running around, sounds like physical education
23:44 <Lucifer> which, at the end of the day, is the point of team sports in school
23:44 <cpayan> team sports in school are extracurricular activities
23:44 <animuson> evidentally you havent seen high school sports
23:45 <Lucifer> it's the common thread that shows up in the music programs, various academic stuff (drama club, debate club, etc)
23:45 <Lucifer> evidently I made it through high school without seeing any games, even though I was in the marching band....
23:45 <cpayan> Your examples are almost all extracurriculars
23:45 <Lucifer> in my school, we took a class called PE where we played all of those sports and more
23:45 <Lucifer> it's part of the core curriculum
23:46 <cpayan> physical education as part of the curriculum is mostly to get the students moving and maintain a certain level of health
23:46 <Lucifer> you're also required to take electives that have that common thread of teamwork in them
23:46 <Lucifer> like it or not, teamwork is embedded into the coursework
23:46 <animuson> like what?
23:46 <Lucifer> at the college level, if the college fails to embed teamwork into the course material, they lose their accreditation
23:47 <animuson> dude kids can do w/e they want in college
23:47 <Lucifer> animuson: choir/orchestra/band/shop/auto mechanics/etc
23:47 <cpayan> Teamwork is embedded into the coursework because teamwork in embedded in life. It's not a reflection of what they're trying to teach. There is no teamwork class. There is no team building class. There is no team management class.
23:47 <animuson> were talking about middle and high school
23:47 <Lucifer> animuson: don't forget I work in a community college
23:47 <Lucifer> cpayan: yep, the standards read something like "You must teach <this subject (i.e. teamwork or ethics)>, but you may not hold separate classes to teach it"
23:48 <Lucifer> my intro to engineering class had ethics embedded into it because of that
23:48 <cpayan> Anyway, you're using strange logic, trying to reduce every class to one thread that you find to be common to each, and then touting arma as a means to teach that one thing only.
23:48 <Lucifer> our physics labs are structured like they are precisely to require teamwork
23:48 <cpayan> college courses
23:48 <cpayan> you're shifting the grounds for the debate
23:48 <Lucifer> I'm not trying to "reduce" every class, I'm trying to show how important this stuff is, and that arma *also* teaches it
23:49 <Lucifer> I don't know what's required for high schools and junior high schools to keep their accreditation
23:49 <cpayan> College is a completely different environment from k-12
23:49 <Lucifer> so I'm talking about what I know, and animuson never specified grade level :)
23:49 <Lucifer> so we're covering the whole spectrum
23:49 <cpayan> anyways, armagetron as an educational would only be usable for young children
23:49 <cpayan> so I'm limiting the whole spectrum now
23:49 <Lucifer> you need to support it being usable only for young children
23:50 <cpayan> It'd be unrealistic to expect people use a game as an educational tool in high school, middle school, or college
23:50 <cpayan> It's vaguely unpopular already.
23:50 <Lucifer> you missed the beginning of the discussion, we're not talking about whether or not people will do *that*
23:50 <Lucifer> animuson said armagetron has no educational value for anybody, and I disagreed
23:50 <cpayan> Oh
23:51 <cpayan> Well clearly, he's wrong.
23:51 <Lucifer> and you've known me for too long, so you outta know my grounds for disagreement by now :)
23:51 <cpayan> if for no other reason that he used an absolute :/
23:51 <Lucifer> we haven't even talked about arma being open source, either
23:51 <Lucifer> just think, kid plays the game, kid reads the source code, kid learns about math, physics, and programming
23:51 <animuson> id be fine with it if they were actually coding or something
23:52 <animuson> but just playing the game shouldnt be allowed in a high school type setting
23:52 <luke-jr> animuson: high school should not exist
23:52 <Lucifer> then you go to your high school an implement the technology to stop it
23:52 <luke-jr> it is abuse
23:52 <animuson> they already have actually
23:52 <cpayan> had a bad time in high school, luke-jr ?
23:52 <animuson> and it just goes to prove that if one district can do it then any district can do it
23:52 <luke-jr> cpayan: I didn't go to high school, of course.
23:53 <cpayan> sad
23:53 <cpayan> myself, i
23:53 <luke-jr> it is evil
23:53 <Lucifer> then why are you asking us to do it?
23:53 <cpayan> would like to see mandatory education go further than high school
23:53 <animuson> because some schools dont care enough about their students to actually implement the system
23:53 <luke-jr> high school is not education
23:53 <Lucifer> in any case, I learned a fair amount of teamwork playing video games starting with the atari 2600 and going all the way up
23:53 <cpayan> Life's getting smarter
23:53 <Lucifer> it wasn't my only experience, but it was a part of it
23:53 <cpayan> luke-jr, speaking from experience? Sure doesn't seem like it
23:53 <Lucifer> you assume that that's how a school shows it cares
23:54 <cpayan> Anyway, why do you hate high school so much. Use reasons instead of baseless statements, this time.
23:54 <Lucifer> if I were running the school, the school would show it cares about students by a) showing trust (leaving the netwrok as wide open as legally possible), and b) allowing kids to use their downtime to play games
23:54 <luke-jr> cpayan: the purpose of high school is brainwashing, nothing to do with education
23:55 <cpayan> baseless statement
23:55 <animuson> then all the students would use any time thyey had at the computer a downtime and never get anything done
23:55 <Lucifer> a school that implements draconian rules might show that it cares, but it instills in the kids the idea that they can't be trusted
23:55 <Lucifer> animuson: that's not true at all
23:55 <luke-jr> cpayan: admitted by the creators of the high school system
23:55 <animuson> students cant be trusted
23:55 <cpayan> and who are these all-powerful creators of education?
23:55 <animuson> some students may be trustable, but u cant base it on one student
23:55 <Lucifer> my high school had that sort of open policy (could have been more open), and there were still the schoolboys/schoolgirls that turned in all homework on time or early, got straight As, etc.
23:55 <animuson> u have to base it on all the students
23:55 <luke-jr> high school has nothing to do with education
23:55 <cpayan> animuson, agreed. Most people would abuse it Lucifer
23:55 <animuson> and there will always be students who want to do mischevious things
23:56 <cpayan> all right luke-jr come up with some real reasons or just drop it.
23:56 <Lucifer> basically, students that would abuse it WERE GOING TO FUCK OFF ANYWAY
23:56 <cpayan> Yep, but they'll fuck off less with rules in place.
23:56 <Lucifer> students who wouldn't abuse it would use it productively, because playing during downtime is actually productive
23:56 <animuson> and the wide limits only encouraged them to do so
23:56 <Lucifer> no they won't
23:56 <Lucifer> they'll just fuck off differently
23:56 <Lucifer> trust me, I was one of those fucking off students, I know how to fuck off with just a pencil in my hand and two hours to kill
23:57 <animuson> anyways its been a nice convo but i have to go to a meeting
23:57 <luke-jr> cpayan: that is a real reason
23:57 <animuson> cya all
23:57 <Lucifer> take the pencil and I can still waste the two hours instead of doing whatever work was expected of me
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23:57 <cpayan> No. It's a statement without any base, solely created by your opinion (which i don't find particularly educated, if you've never been to high school)
23:57 <Lucifer> so, for the minority of fucking-off students, we will deprive the majority of mostly hard working students of this resource
23:57 <cpayan> Certainly there are other ways to be educated
23:58 <cpayan> Lucifer, you're talking about college, right?
23:58 <luke-jr> cpayan: ah, I'm not brainwashed therefore I must be an idiot?
23:58 <Lucifer> no, we're back to high school, since wer'e talking about the system animuson was talking about to block computer games from the network
23:58 <Lucifer> my college has a network for students that's wide open and they can do anything on :)
23:58 <cpayan> luke-jr, just uninformed, i suppose.
23:58 <Vanhayes_> luke-jr, how does high school brainwash?
23:58 <cpayan> he refuses to say
23:58 <Lucifer> staff networks are watched very carefully and protected, of course
23:59 <cpayan> You see, college is probably the only environment where more students are hardworking than not.
23:59 <Vanhayes_> probably because most pay quite a bit of money to be there

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