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00:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 52*36*10
00:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: 18720
00:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 52*36*20
00:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: 37440
00:39 <Lucifer> #math calc 52*36*30
00:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: 56160
00:39  * Lucifer hopes they offer him $30/hour
00:40 <BabyBug> ?!
00:40 <BabyBug> $30 an hour O.o
00:40 <PinkTomato> #g $30 in £
00:40 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:41 <BabyBug> #g 30 USD in GBP
00:41 <@armabot> BabyBug: 30 U.S. dollars = 20.5733096 British pounds
00:41 <PinkTomato> I still don't know if that's good or not :)
00:41 <BabyBug> >< lol
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00:42 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I wouldn't base it on 52 weeks either :)
00:42 <PinkTomato> People need rest :)
00:43 <BabyBug> don't people usually get 12 weeks holiday?
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00:44 <Lucifer> BabyBug: not in the US
00:45 <PinkTomato> It's legal to not give holiday days?
00:52 <madmax> 12 weeks? o_O
00:53 <madmax> here I think it's 22 days + "bonuses"
00:56 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: yes, it's legal to not give holiday days
00:56 <Lucifer> in fact, it's generally expected below a certain income level that you don't get holiday days
00:56 <Lucifer> see, the government passes laws that help businesses, not workers, unless there's a significant outcry
00:57 <Lucifer> then they build in loopholes to avoid it
00:57 <PinkTomato> :(
00:57 <Lucifer> so, for example, it's not legal to work someone more than 40 hours a week without extra compensation (overtime)
00:57 <Lucifer> so a lot of companies take programmers on as "contractors" so they don't have to pay overtime
00:57 <Lucifer> and as an added benefit, contract employees don't get medical/dental/sick days/etc
00:58 <Lucifer> that's how EA was able to exploit their programmers for so long, and afaik, are still doing it
00:58 <PinkTomato> !!, that's quite bad, I don't know what our country is like though Oo
00:59 <Lucifer> also, in a lot of larger companies, employees that take time off are discriminated against when it comes time for raises/promotions
00:59 <madmax> so you don't have a minimum number of holiday days?
00:59 <Lucifer> no, we don't
00:59 <madmax> we have 22 over here, and there's a compensation if they aren't "used"...
00:59 <Lucifer> an employer can theoretically require you to work 7 days a week, every week of the year
01:00 <madmax> I see
01:00 <Lucifer> and as long as they don't break any other laws (like overtime), you have to do it or suffer whatever penalties the employer gives you
01:00 <Lucifer> there's a reason I call it the "exploitation market" rather than the "employment market"
01:00 <Lucifer> under the circumstances, working for yourself is far preferable to working for someone else
01:01 <PinkTomato> I suppose the Politicians don't care?
01:01 <Lucifer> instead of losing out on all the benefits, you take responsibility for providing them yourself
01:01 <madmax> Yes they care! er, can!
01:01 <Lucifer> it's not that politicians don't care, it's that they are elected by big businesses
01:01 <Lucifer> we do our best, but by the time the primaries start, big business has already had far more input to the election that my one vote has
01:02 <Lucifer> we don't have a labor party because that has connotations of socialism, and we americans hate socialism almost as much as we hate communism, fascism, the french, and strong beer
01:03 <Lucifer> personally, I'd just as soon adopt some of the european labor policies
01:04 <Lucifer> we can argue all day long about some of them (like how it's supposedly impossible to get fired in France, so workers are lazy), but there's no doubt that many of them are well-intentioned
01:04 <Lucifer> and as americans, we can study many different implementations of the same worker-friendly ideals and choose our own
01:05 <Lucifer> I realize europe is no panacea, but from where I'm standing, there are many attractive options over there ;)
01:06 <PinkTomato> In a way, its weird how different the United States are in some ways.
01:06 <PinkTomato> I think the UK people feel closer to the US, than they do France.
01:07 <Lucifer> well, it's not as bad as I make it sound
01:07 <Lucifer> keep in mind that most people in the US really are good people doing the best they can, and trying to help each other out
01:07 <Lucifer> it's just that it takes a certain amount of selfishness to be ambitious enough to climb the corporate ladder high enough to enact the corporate policies I'm complaining about
01:08 <Lucifer> so there's always this tension between the workers and the managers, and I think the tension is mostly good
01:08 <Lucifer> and most managers are good people
01:08 <PinkTomato> I understand :), I could go on how much I hate certain things about the UK, but it isn't that bad :).
01:08 <Lucifer> every now and then, though, you get a bad manager, or a cadre of bad managers in a particular company
01:09 <Lucifer> even more rarely, but often enough to keep us reminded, you get downright corrupt people in management
01:09 <PinkTomato> Just like you get good or bad people.
01:09 <Lucifer> then we have Enron and MCI/Worldcom, etc.
01:09 <Lucifer> right
01:09 <Lucifer> well, the same fundamental motivators that create bad managers also create bad politicians
01:10 <Lucifer> so the system feeds back into itself for awhile, then there's big revulsion and people stand up and fight somehow
01:10 <Lucifer> in the past it's been the civil rights movement, the labor movement, etc.
01:10 <Lucifer> I sincerely hope the election of Obama represents the people fighting back again and that we'll see some good changes
01:10 <Lucifer> but I keep in mind that by the time the primaries started, big business had already spoken about the process and candidates
01:11 <Lucifer> and they chose Clinton :)
01:11 <PinkTomato> Was Clinton good?
01:11 <Lucifer> relatively speaking, better than anything in the Republican field at the time
01:11 <Lucifer> if she had won the nomination, I may have voted third party, though
01:12 <Lucifer> depends on how important it was to me to keep the republicans out
01:12 <Lucifer> but I live in a red state, so it's not like my vote elected Obama anyway
01:12 <BabyBug> Oh erm Lucifer, i banned flex earlier...not sure when/if you want to remove that...just to let you know though.
01:12 <Lucifer> (although I did make sure to stand up and be counted this time)
01:12 <Lucifer> BabyBug: is there a reason I'd want to remove it?
01:12 <BabyBug> Lucifer, not at all
01:12  * Lucifer doesn't like flex, you should talk to guru3 instead
01:13 <BabyBug> No i'm quite happy for it to stay =P
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
01:13 <BabyBug> I just thought it'd be fair i mention it to someone =P
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@unaffiliated/flex] by guru3
01:13 <BabyBug> awww no
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
01:13 <BabyBug> arf ><
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*i=Flex@*.bmly.cable.ntl.com] by guru3
01:13 <BabyBug> curses, lol
01:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
01:13 <Lucifer> hey, there's a reason he's at the top of the op hierarchy here :)
01:14 <guru3> i'm not feeling to well right now
01:14 <guru3> so my apologies
01:14 <guru3> *&too
01:14 <BabyBug> lol guru3 =(
01:14 <guru3> *too
01:14 <BabyBug> i need to reboot...cpu is stuck at 1ghz >< brb
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01:16 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: PIE! | Latest Version: | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys
01:16 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
01:16 <PinkTomato> Pie?
01:16 <guru3> no, PIE!
01:17 <Lucifer> PIE! ?
01:17 <PinkTomato> :) nice ?
01:17 <guru3> no idea
01:17 <guru3> i'm feeling unhinged at the moment
01:17 <Lucifer> ah, random crazy stuff is good for the soul
01:17 <Lucifer> do it enough and you might get pigeonholed for being 'flamboyant'
01:18 <PinkTomato> People that are too random are predictable
01:18 <Lucifer> nah
01:18 <Lucifer> come on man, I joined Facebook
01:18 <Lucifer> who could have predicted that?
01:18 <PinkTomato> That's true :)
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01:19 <BabyBug> \o
01:19 <Lucifer> o/
01:19 <Lucifer> orange you glad you use dial?
01:19 <BabyBug> So why is guru at the top? he seems far too nice
01:19 <PinkTomato> o/
01:20 <Lucifer> BabyBug: your question answers itself
01:20 <BabyBug> Whatever happened to nice guys finishing last ><
01:20 <Lucifer> we're supposed to be an inclusive community, which means having the nicest people in charge
01:20 <Lucifer> that's just discrimination
01:21 <BabyBug> and since when has they're been no discrimination in this place?
01:21 <BabyBug> :P
01:21 <Lucifer> for as long as I can remember?  ;)
01:21 <BabyBug> psssh yeh right
01:24 <Lucifer> #kick BabyBug improper use of "they're"
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01:24 <BabyBug> .......
01:24 <BabyBug> power abuse!
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01:24 <Lucifer> hey, neil finally came back
01:25 <nsh22> lol sry bout yesterday
01:25 <Lucifer> nsh22: I'm not really sorry I kicked you last night, please don't paste like that in here again
01:25 <nsh22> lol it was an accident
01:25 <nsh22> i was pasting to something else and i mustve pressed ctrl v somewhere along the lines
01:25 <nsh22> wont happen again
01:26 <nsh22> question: can you upload configs (i.e. autoexec.cfg) into the repository?
01:27 <Lucifer> no, they're not resources
01:27 <nsh22> ah
01:27 <PinkTomato> stick them in a settings folder :)
01:27  * nsh22 is dumb and doesnt know how (unless its really simple)
01:27 <nsh22> ill finda  way
01:28 <PinkTomato> Is this a local server? or luke's?
01:28 <nsh22> lukes
01:28 <PinkTomato> luke-jr probably has some system installed.
01:28 <Lucifer> ah, you are somewhat limited.  I think he has a system installed autoexec.cfg
01:29 <Lucifer> he has to enforce certain settings, after all ;)
01:29 <nsh22> ah
01:29 <PinkTomato> I think he locks the setting in code
01:29 <nsh22> i would put MAP_FILE in seetings_custom right?
01:29 <Lucifer> luke-jr: hey, enforce cycle_rubber < 8 and charge extra for high rubber :)
01:29 <nsh22> lol
01:29 <Lucifer> yes
01:29 <nsh22> ok
01:30 <Lucifer> charge $2*CYCLE_RUBBER for anything over 8
01:30 <PinkTomato> High Rubber Servers use a lot of RAM anyway
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01:30 <nsh22> so any other settigs i want on the server would go there?
01:30 <Lucifer> it really entertains me that only HR players complain about instakills
01:30 <nsh22> hey smoothie
01:30 <smoothice> yo
01:30 <Lucifer> nsh22: yes
01:30 <nsh22> ok ty
01:30 <Lucifer> server_info.cfg is for stuff that's specific to your server, like SERVER_NAME
01:31 <nsh22> oh ok
01:31 <Lucifer> settings_custom.cfg is for stuff that's not specific to your server
01:31 <nsh22> whats everytime for?
01:31 <Lucifer> it gets loaded every round
01:31 <nsh22> ah
01:31 <smoothice> nsh22: make a file called autoexec.cfg
01:31 <Lucifer> no, autoexec.cfg is deprecated
01:31 <nsh22> i cant
01:31 <smoothice> It is?
01:31 <smoothice> I love autoexec!
01:31 <nsh22> same
01:31 <Lucifer> yes, has been since the first 0.2.8 release
01:31 <smoothice> oh
01:31 <smoothice> hah
01:31 <smoothice> lol
01:31 <smoothice> I use that
01:31 <smoothice> for everything
01:31 <smoothice> lol
01:32 <PinkTomato> use settings_custom.cfg
01:32 <Lucifer> it's useful on the client still
01:32 <nsh22> but not on servers
01:32 <PinkTomato> and if you want to be extra neat, physics.cfg, politics.cfg etc.
01:32 <Lucifer> in fact, the reason it hasn't been removed in the trunk is because it's useful on the client
01:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's what I do :)
01:32 <smoothice> ok
01:32 <smoothice> works form e
01:32 <smoothice> PIE! | Latest Version:
01:32 <smoothice> what the...
01:32 <smoothice> Sure... pie is good... but... meh?
01:32 <Lucifer> don't tell me you don't like pie
01:33 <PinkTomato> It's a name
01:33 <nsh22> I LIKE PIE
01:33 <smoothice> well
01:33 <smoothice> Not really
01:33 <smoothice> I don't really like it
01:33 <Lucifer> #kick smoothice doesn't like pie
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01:33 <nsh22> i  made a burnt cream pie and i JIMP
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01:33 <smoothice> *sigh*
01:33 <Lucifer> that made me jizz in my pants
01:33 <smoothice> I HATE PIE!
01:33 <nsh22> lol
01:33 <PinkTomato> Oh come on, everyone likes a little admin abuse
01:33 <nsh22> JIMP
01:33 <smoothice> I HATE PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:33 <PinkTomato> Careful.
01:33 <PinkTomato> :P
01:33 <nsh22> go die if you hate pie
01:33 <smoothice> THAT'S RIGHT! I HATE PIE
01:34 <nsh22> get out
01:34 <smoothice> hah
01:34 <smoothice> make me
01:34 <smoothice> Lucifer: not you
01:34 <PinkTomato> smoothice: On a non-pie related note
01:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no, the only enforcement is a MAX_CLIENTS cap which is done by a code patch
01:34 <nsh22> lol
01:34 <smoothice> ok
01:34 <smoothice> PinkTomato: yeah
01:34 <luke-jr> config editign is direct
01:34 <PinkTomato> smoothice: how is server going?
01:34 <smoothice> PinkTomato: pretty good... running debian now and waiting for Deb 5.0 to be released...
01:35 <PinkTomato> releases are every 18 months
01:35  * nsh22 still feels bad about pasteing that sh!t last night
01:35 <PinkTomato> ubuntu releases are every 6
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01:35 <smoothice> PinkTomato: 18 months after 4.0 would have been in September
01:35 <madmax> when is 5.0 coming out?
01:35 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: every 3 years for LTS
01:35 <PinkTomato> Upgrade to lenny smoothice
01:35 <smoothice> 5.0 should have been in Sept.
01:36 <smoothice> How?
01:36 <PinkTomato> I think its apt-get dist-upgrade
01:36 <smoothice> I did that
01:36 <smoothice> It upgraded one package
01:36 <smoothice> lol
01:36 <Lucifer> no, it's simon_says apt-get dist-upgrade
01:36 <smoothice> Lenny or Sid?
01:36 <PinkTomato> Don't go for sid
01:37 <PinkTomato> really you should stick with etch for servers
01:37 <smoothice> but but
01:37 <smoothice> Apache 2.2.3!
01:37 <PinkTomato> Lenny then :)
01:37 <PinkTomato> you need to change sources.list first
01:37 <smoothice> yeah
01:37 <smoothice> http://www.go2linux.org/upgrading-debian
01:38 <PinkTomato> did it work?
01:38 <smoothice> I didn't try ut
01:38 <smoothice> it
01:38 <smoothice> I discovered that link 10 seconds ago
01:38 <smoothice> lol
01:38 <PinkTomato> that's how you do it :), just simon_says nano instead of vi
01:39 <nsh22> luke jr: is the server i bought 16 or 10 slots?
01:39 <smoothice> luke-jr:
01:40 <PinkTomato> smoothice: type your question so luke-jr can save an alt-tab
01:40 <PinkTomato> :)
01:40 <smoothice> lol
01:40 <smoothice> I did that for nsh22
01:40 <smoothice> He had no - in lukes nick
01:41 <PinkTomato> oh hehe :)
01:41 <nsh22> ??
01:42 <nsh22> ok well on my server, i can go through walls
01:42 <nsh22> thats not odd at all 0.o
01:42 <Lucifer> nsh22: if you use a person's nick, most of us will get a notification and the line will be highlighted
01:42 <nsh22> oh
01:42 <Lucifer> so if luke's not here when you ask the question, he'll see it when he gets back and usually answer in the same fasion, if you're here
01:42 <nsh22> i didnt know that
01:42 <Concord> fortress?
01:43 <nsh22> id odesnt highlight for me but anyways
01:43 <Lucifer> you can also usually type the first couple of letters of a person's name and press tab to get the rest (tab completion, also available in arma trunk)
01:43 <nsh22> sshould i ask him again
01:43 <Lucifer> no, smoothice took care of it for you that time :)
01:44 <nsh22> any way, if cycle_walls is set to 0.000001, is it normal for you to be able to go through walls(that are infinate)?
01:44 <nsh22> it is confusing me
01:44 <smoothice> {PinkTomato} ArmaServ Test
01:45 <Concord> nsh22, enforce incam on your race server
01:45 <nsh22> how?
01:46 <Lucifer> er, you can't go through walls at all
01:47 <PinkTomato> smoothice: ??
01:47 <nsh22> it looks like i am
01:47 <nsh22> but it could be graphics glitch
01:47 <Lucifer> #cfg cycle_walls
01:47 <@armabot> Lucifer: CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH: cycle_walls_length_help (default: -1) || CYCLE_WALLS_STAY_UP_DELAY: cycle_walls_stay_up_delay_help (default: 2)
01:48 <Lucifer> #cfg2 cycle_walls
01:48 <@armabot> Lucifer: BALLS_BOUNCE_ON_CYCLE_WALLS: balls_bounce_on_cycle_walls_help || SVG_CYCLE_WALLS_GLOW: svg_cycle_walls_glow_help
01:48 <Lucifer> I don't even see a setting called cycle_walls
01:48 <smoothice> he mean't cycle_walls_length
01:48 <nsh22> im umb
01:48 <nsh22> swalls_length
01:48 <nsh22> walls_length*
01:48 <Lucifer> you've just set a very very very small wall length
01:49 <Lucifer> probably won't even be able to see it
01:49 <nsh22> i know
01:49 <nsh22> but for some reason it stayed up and you could go through it
01:49 <Lucifer> the wall will probably be pulled out of the way before any signicant rubber is used
01:49 <Lucifer> ah
01:49 <Lucifer> get a recording
01:49 <nsh22> well i think it resolved itself
01:50 <nsh22> it only happens sometimes, ask smooth
01:50 <Lucifer> if you can get a recording, please attach it to this bug:
01:51 <Lucifer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191499
01:51  * Lucifer suspects you're seeing that bug
01:51 <teabot> Launchpad bug 191499 in armagetronad "Walls surviving over to the next round" [Critical,Incomplete]
01:51 <nsh22> ?
01:51 <nsh22> nvm
01:56 <nsh22> luke-jr: how would i get the sty patch on the server?
02:00 <nsh22> where would i find the ladle settings i wonder....
02:02 <PinkTomato> #google "ladle 17"
02:02 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Search took 0.26 seconds: Wok Ladle , 17 -1/2'' Length, 5'' X 4-1/2'' Bowl, Perforated, S/S ...: <http://shopping.msn.com/specs/wok-ladle-17-1-2-length-5-x-4-1-2-bowl-perforated-s-s-wood-handle-dozen-1-dozen-unit/itemid963664504/?itemtext=itemname:wok-ladle-17-1-2-length-5-x-4-1-2-bowl-perforated-s-s-wood-handle-dozen-1-dozen-unit>; Perforated Wok Ladle , 17 -1/2" length, 5 x 4.5 (3 more messages)
02:02 <madmax> nsh22: http://durkas.info/resource/ladle/ladle17.cfg
02:02 <PinkTomato> that works too :)
02:05 <nsh22> am i allowed to use the settings or do i need to ask durks
02:05 <nsh22> durka*
02:08 <ct|kyle> they are published so you can use them
02:08 <nsh22> oh ok
02:13 <nsh22> ok, now the server is bugin again
02:13 <nsh22> its fun tbh
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02:25 <Syntac> i have a problem getting my server to show up on the master list.  i bought a VPS for it and have everything set up, i can custom connect, talk_to_master is 1, but it will not show up on the list... any ideas?
02:26 <PinkTomato> what's the name?
02:27 <PinkTomato> and IP :)
02:28 <Syntac> Server name: TESTING SERVER   IP: port 4534
02:28 <PinkTomato> is it running currently?
02:28 <Syntac> yep
02:28 <Syntac> im playing in it now
02:29 <PinkTomato> Is TALK_TO_MASTER 1 in the server_info.cfg?
02:29 <Syntac> yes
02:30 <PinkTomato> OK well its connectable.. hmm..
02:31 <Syntac> ok i restarted the server
02:31 <Concord> nsh22, be back in 15-20 min
02:31 <PinkTomato> whats the output?
02:31 <nsh22> lol ok
02:31 <PinkTomato> can you copy and paste it to pastebin please?
02:32 <Syntac> sure
02:35 <nsh22> lol bugs are fun
02:36 <PinkTomato> Syntac: any news?
02:36 <Syntac> im working on it
02:37 <Syntac> im using putty atm
02:37 <Syntac> hard to copy all the text
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02:38 <PinkTomato> ah sorry :)
02:39 <Syntac> http://rafb.net/p/NcmIaJ70.html
02:39 <Syntac> there is a bit, i missed some copying, but i think you can see that its not able to connect to any of the master servers
02:40 <PinkTomato> That's really odd.
02:40 <ct|kyle> is the port open
02:41 <PinkTomato> are you running iptables on it?
02:41 <ct|kyle> also SERVER_IP should be set (i don't think its the problem though)
02:42 <Syntac> the port is open, and idk about the iptables... manta set that server up for me
02:42 <Syntac> im asking him now about it
02:43 <PinkTomato> DNS sounds an issue
02:43 <PinkTomato> ping google.com
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02:44 <Syntac> lol its not stopping
02:44 <PinkTomato> press ctrl C
02:44 <PinkTomato> so that works :)?
02:44 <Syntac> xD
02:44 <PinkTomato> damn it
02:44 <Syntac> yah
02:44 <Syntac> 33 packets transmitted, 33 received, 0% packet loss, time 32010ms
02:45 <Syntac> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 70.017/70.440/71.118/0.361 ms, pipe 2
02:45 <Syntac> those were the stats when it was done
02:45 <ct|kyle> try setting SERVER_IP maybe something new requires it
02:45 <Syntac> try setting it to what kyle?
02:46 <Syntac> its already set
02:46 <PinkTomato> SERVER_IP
02:46 <PinkTomato> has to be in server_info.cfg
02:46 <PinkTomato> you'll need to reboot server
02:46 <ct|kyle> anywhere
02:46 <ct|kyle> settings_custom is where we put it and it works fine
02:47 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: what I meant was, has to be loaded on configuration boot :)
02:47 <ct|kyle> ya :P
02:48 <ct|kyle> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:4534.  << *.*.*.* means it is not set :P
02:48 <Syntac> ok xD
02:50 <Syntac> ok lemme see if it worked
02:54 <Syntac> http://rafb.net/p/jhG8K192.html
02:54 <Syntac> still not showing up
02:54 <Syntac> :(
02:55 <Syntac> what else needs to be in setting_info.cfg all thats in there is the server ip and talk to master 1 so far
02:56 <PinkTomato> well SERVER_NAME SERVER_PORT, all of these don't affect it though
02:56 <Syntac> those are in server_info.cfg
02:56 <PinkTomato> ah
02:56 <Syntac> i mean... uh
02:56 <Syntac> lol
02:56 <PinkTomato> :)
02:56 <Syntac> settings_custom
02:56 <Syntac> lool
02:57 <PinkTomato> what release did you get?
02:58 <Syntac> i think manta is coming so he can help answer questions
02:59 <Syntac> he said 0.2.8
03:02 <PinkTomato> The bzr version?
03:06 <Syntac> idk he said hes busy
03:06 <Syntac> :/
03:06 <PinkTomato> How did you get the release you have?
03:07 <Syntac> he put it in for me, im a novice at unix commands
03:07 <PinkTomato> ah.
03:09 <PinkTomato> I think you'll need access to someone with a master server.
03:10 <PinkTomato> Probably something wrong with your end though
03:10 <Syntac> i think so
03:10 <Syntac> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:44671.
03:10 <Syntac> whats that mean?
03:10 <Syntac> whats 44671?
03:10 <PinkTomato> I'm not too sure
03:11 <Syntac> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:44672.
03:11 <Syntac> [0] Bound socket to
03:11 <Syntac> is what im seeing now in the output
03:13 <ct|kyle> do you see that failed to connect to master also
03:14 <Syntac> yes
03:15 <ct|kyle> Syntac: can you custom connect?
03:16 <ct|kyle> Syntac: try to ping master1.armagetronad.net
03:17 <Syntac> i can custom connect
03:17 <Syntac> let me try to ping
03:18 <Syntac> PING electricpotential.net ( 56(84) bytes of data.
03:18 <Syntac> 64 bytes from 81-235-164-45-no21.tbcn.telia.com ( icmp_seq=0 ttl
03:18 <PinkTomato> that just makes things even more odd
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03:18 <ct|kyle> ya it does
03:18 <Syntac> i agree this is lame, i thought i was doing everything right
03:19 <ct|kyle> looks that way
03:19 <Syntac> maybe its on the hosts side?  they do i have a firewall, but i asked them to unblock port 4534 from it
03:19 <ct|kyle> maybe it is a bad build
03:19 <smoothice> I can connect to on 4534
03:19 <PinkTomato> Syntac: that would be it
03:19 <PinkTomato> possibly
03:20 <PinkTomato> you need more ports open than that
03:20 <ct|kyle> 4530 - 4540 :P
03:20 <Syntac> really?
03:20 <PinkTomato> yeah :)
03:20 <Syntac> omg -.-
03:20 <Syntac> lolol i feel dumb
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03:21 <smoothice> Syntac: You're running
03:21 <smoothice> Syntac: You should upgrade the binary of the server to
03:21 <PinkTomato> Syntac: unblock the ports and try again :)
03:24 <Syntac> i think manta had a problem running installing that build
03:24 <Syntac> i just emailed my vps host to unblock the ports
03:24 <PinkTomato> who is the vps host?
03:25 <ct|kyle> just have him put 0.2.8_armagetron-sty
03:25 <ct|kyle> or 0.2.8_armagetron-sty+ct  :P
03:25 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Tronix25/Xzombie/Death-Arena-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Tronix25
03:25 <smoothice> Syntac: Who is your VPS host?
03:25 <Syntac> PinkTomato sentris.com
03:26 <PinkTomato> oo ok :),
03:27 <PinkTomato> good luck btw :)
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03:27 <Syntac> hehe
03:27 <Syntac> mkay, i guess ill ttyl kyle and smoothice, cya
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03:59 <BabyBug> Boo!
04:00 <smoothice> BabyBug: Boo!
04:02 <BabyBug> smoothice, fail
04:02 <smoothice> BabyBug, fail
04:02 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: come sleep with me
04:03 <ct|kyle> :P
04:03 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, no
04:03 <ct|kyle> few
04:28 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
04:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is -13.2°F (10:28 PM EST on January 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -18.4°F. Windchill: -31.0°F. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa (Rising).  Wind chill warning in effect until 12 PM EST Friday...
04:30 <ct|kyle> #weather 60130
04:30 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Oak Park, IL, Oak Park, Illinois is -9.9°F (9:30 PM CST on January 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -20.2°F. Windchill: -29.2°F. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa (Steady).  Wind chill warning in effect until 12 PM CST Friday...
04:32 <@armabot> armacommits: [smoothice] r730 Merge from trunk
04:33 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that only works on mardi gras
04:34 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: what?
04:40 <Lucifer> [21:02] <ct|kyle> BabyBug: come sleep with me
04:41 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
04:41 <ct|kyle> oh Lucifer
04:41 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 43.2°F (9:40 PM CST on January 15, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036.5 hPa (Steady).
04:41 <smoothice> #weather 00010
04:41 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
04:41 <smoothice> armabot: fail
04:41 <@armabot> fail
04:41 <Lucifer> it's gonna be dangerously cold tonight
04:41 <Lucifer> 30, according to the forecast
04:41 <smoothice> #help fail
04:41 <@armabot> smoothice: (fail <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo fail".
04:42 <smoothice> #alias add fail say Yeah $1, I know...
04:42 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
04:42 <smoothice> armabot: fail
04:42 <@armabot> smoothice: (fail <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "say Yeah $1, I know...".
04:42 <smoothice> #fail
04:42 <@armabot> smoothice: (fail <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "say Yeah $1, I know...".
04:47  * BabyBug hands Lucifer an electric blanket to warm up
04:48  * Lucifer wraps himself up in the warmth of BabyBug's...... electric blanket
04:48 <BabyBug> >.<
04:50 <luke-jr> Lucifer: sounds like he's making walls shorter, but it's not applying to clients
05:02 <Stewah> La Jolla, CA / Clear / 60°F 15°C / Humidity: 17% / Wind: E at 2 mph
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05:42 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Tronix25/Xzombie/Death-Arena-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Tronix25
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11:48 <fonkay> #weather halifax, ns
11:48 <@armabot> fonkay: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
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12:54 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r788 Merging /team chat bugfix from 0.2.8....
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14:01 <guru3> well i'll be damned
14:01 <guru3> someone doing pm spam on the forums
14:01 <guru3> while i'm online
14:03 <guru3> 76.164.211.*
14:03 <guru3> evil bastard
14:05 <K-Yo> :(
14:06 <guru3> banned his sorry ass
14:06 <guru3> i hope
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14:18 <MrBougo> pm spammers should at least not send their PMs to admins :p
14:36 <epsy> heh
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16:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8826 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
16:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
16:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: Also accept authentication if client sends a server IP that matches
16:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: the resolved SERVER_DNS name.
16:26 <Lizmatic> epsy, you here?
16:27 <Lizmatic> what's this about flex revoking your rights? where'd he even revoke them? :S
16:28 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
16:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is -10.7°F (10:28 AM EST on January 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -16.6°F. Windchill: -23.8°F. Pressure: 30.78 in 1042.2 hPa (Rising).  Wind chill warning in effect until noon EST today...
16:30 <zmanuel> mv "X Clan" "Drama Clan"
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16:39 <BabyBug> \o
16:39 <K-Yo> hi
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17:08 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r983 Also accept authentication if client sends a server IP that ...
17:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8827 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Fixed compiler warnings for GCC 4.3.2.
17:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8828 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rFont.cpp): Manuel Moos: Adapted to include file deprecation in ftgl.
17:17 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8829 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/resource/tResourceManager.cpp): Manuel Moos: More GCC 4.3 warning fixes.
17:22 <BabyBug> Is Manual Moos z-man?
17:22 <z-man> Yep.
17:22 <BabyBug> oo =)
17:22 <BabyBug> You don't do enough work! *runs off*
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17:40 <K-Yo> lol
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18:10 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r789 More GCC 4.3 warning fixes.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r788 Adapted to include file deprecation in ftgl.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r787 Fixed compiler warnings for GCC 4.3.2....
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19:20  * Lucifer got the job!
19:20 <BabyBug> !!
19:20 <BabyBug> Woooooooooooooooooooooooo \o/
19:20  * BabyBug opens the bubbly
19:21 <Lizmatic> gratz Luci
19:22 <PinkTomato> \o/ Lucifer :)
19:23 <akira_arma> @tea
19:23 <akira_arma> .tea
19:23 <akira_arma> ............
19:23 <BabyBug> #tea
19:23 <@armabot> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): akira, MaZuffeR, pike, °höMö
19:26 <Lizmatic> now find another wife Lucife
19:26 <Lizmatic> r
19:26 <Lizmatic> xD
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19:41 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: working on it, heh
19:42 <Lucifer> so to answer the question, is it possible to get a job with Evil Triumvir listed on your resume?
19:42 <Lucifer> the answer is 'yes', and it looks like it will be a Very Good Job :)
19:42 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: I guess today it was too cold for the human, they closed just about every school here
19:42 <Lucifer> heh
19:43 <Lucifer> I rode my bike to the interview :)
19:43 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
19:43 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 46.9°F (12:40 PM CST on January 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Falling).
19:43 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
19:43  * Lucifer is really happy now
19:43 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is -1.3°F (1:42 PM EST on January 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -11.2°F. Windchill: -14.8°F. Pressure: 30.75 in 1041.2 hPa (Falling).  Wind chill warning in effect until noon EST today...
19:43 <Lucifer> I'll have my kids this weekend, too, for an extra day even ;)
19:43 <ct|kyle> warmed up a bit :P
19:43 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: did your interview go well
19:43  * Lucifer jumps up and down
19:43 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: YES.  I got the job!
19:44 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: Nice
19:44 <Lucifer> they're going to send a formal letter later today, but informally he told me $30/hour to start
19:44 <Lucifer> with a little eval after two weeks, and another after a month, and I can shoot up to $35/hour after two weeks
19:44 <Lucifer> they just have to work out some logistics.  Man, I am so excited.  ;)
19:45 <Lucifer> I have to call my mom, bbiab
19:45 <ct|kyle> heh see you
19:46 <PinkTomato> #rules
19:46 <@armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
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20:09 <epsy> hello WRTLPR~1
20:10 <epsy> .grep "/.*[s\$][€e]b[o0][l1].*/i"
20:10 <wrtlprnft> hi there
20:10 <tronner> epsy: This data is 50 seconds old: Nothing found.
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20:20 <Lucifer> #ping
20:20 <armabot> pong
20:20 <ct|kyle> #pong
20:20 <armabot> ping
20:20 <Lucifer> #ping
20:20 <armabot> pong
20:20 <ct|kyle> #pongy
20:27 <Lucifer> .luci
20:27 <tronner> Lucifer: timed out
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20:27 <Lucifer> .help luci
20:27 <tronner> Lucifer: (luci <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "ls CT_Ady-Lucifer".
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20:28 <Lucifer> there's something wrong with that
20:28 <Lucifer> .alias add luci "ls Lucifer"
20:28 <Lucifer> fucker
20:28 <Lucifer> #kick tronner I AM LUCIFER!
20:28 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: I need to be opped to kick someone.
20:28 <Lucifer> probably for the best
20:28 <Lizmatic> Who came first, Ady or Lucifer?
20:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:29 <Lucifer> me
20:29 <Lucifer> he came in using the name Lucifer, unaware that it was already in use, and got everyone pissed at me
20:29 <Lucifer> because he's a smeghead ;)
20:29 <z-man> MERGING IS NOT FUN
20:29 <Lizmatic> Ady-Lucifer is such a silly name
20:29 <Lucifer> so I got poll-kicked a lot for a little while, until people figured it out
20:29 <ct|kyle> z-man: ya it is :P
20:30 <Lizmatic> hhm, merging aye..
20:30 <Lizmatic> lizufer!
20:30  * BabyBug merges her legs around Lizmatic's waist
20:30 <Lizmatic> wait that doesnt make sense.. lizifer!
20:31 <BabyBug> Why not Luzifer?
20:31  * Lizmatic merges with BabyBug, becoming a giant robot destroying everything in its path
20:31 <Lizmatic> ..I should lay off the sugar
20:31 <BabyBug> O.o
20:31 <Lucifer> Luzifer was a similar situation
20:31 <Lizmatic> DONT LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT
20:31 <Lucifer> only he turned out not to be a permanent smeghead
20:31 <BabyBug> lol
20:31 <Lizmatic> Omg, you're not Luzifer?
20:31 <Lucifer> NO
20:31  * BabyBug face palms
20:32 <Lucifer> *ORIGINAL
20:32 <Lizmatic> seriously, I didn't know
20:32 <Lucifer> before me, there were no lucifers
20:32 <Lizmatic> what's with all the luci's :S
20:32 <Lucifer> after me, there were two + me
20:32 <Lizmatic> are you the Luzifer on DDL forums?
20:32 <BabyBug> The same reason there are so many Liz's?
20:32 <Lucifer> no, I'm not
20:32 <Lucifer> I am not Luzifer
20:32 <Lizmatic> ok good
20:32 <Lizmatic> you're the cool Lucifer then
20:32 <Lizmatic> I hate the other Lucifers
20:32 <Lucifer> heh, thanks :)
20:32 <Lizmatic> BabyBug, only other Liz I know is |x| Liza and she used to be Flash, stupid namechanger
20:33 <Lucifer> Lizz has been here when you've been here, recently even
20:33 <Lizmatic> I saw
20:33 <Lizmatic> who is that?
20:33 <Lucifer> she's the lizz I thought you were when I called you a kangaroo lover
20:33 <Lizmatic> Ah right
20:33 <Lizmatic> Never heard of her though
20:33 <Lucifer> she's an aussie, in the FA clan
20:33 <Lucifer> she doesn't play arma very much anymore, I hear
20:34 <Lucifer> she's actually about my age and really cute ;)
20:34 <Lizmatic> ask her out, choosing a liz never turns out badly!
20:34 <Lucifer> I don't internet-date
20:34 <Lucifer> I don't mind using the internet to get an incompetent blowjob, but it still has be a local girl
20:34 <Lizmatic> then grab a plane, or let her grab an ehh.. kangaroo? and travel!
20:35 <Lizmatic> how'd it work out with the librarian?
20:35 <Lucifer> struck out
20:36 <Lizmatic> no woman luck aye :(
20:36 <Lucifer> it's hard to do well when you can't even offer a real date, heh
20:36 <Lucifer> that'll change in the very near future, though
20:36 <ct|kyle> i'm sure he'll start having some once he starts his new job
20:37 <Lucifer> spend the next couple of weeks getting my shit straight, then it'll be time to get to work :)
20:37 <Lizmatic> that's true, you'll have more money
20:37 <Lizmatic> and you're a dollar to women
20:37 <Lizmatic> :P
20:37 <Lucifer> heh
20:37 <Lucifer> I won't date a woman who sees me for my income/income potential
20:37 <Lucifer> but I do need to be able to offer at least enough to do stuff
20:37 <Lizmatic> all american women do that, so you won't be able to date
20:38 <Lucifer> "Hey baby, let's go back to my place and watch pirated movies and eat home-cooked food"
20:38 <Lucifer> I don't believe you, Lizmatic, but I have no experience to the contrary
20:38 <ct|kyle> heh
20:38 <Lucifer> look, I think it's totally reasonable for a woman to look at what a man can provide
20:38 <Lucifer> I look at women the same way
20:38 <Lucifer> so yeah, I think consideration of income is reasonable
20:38 <Lucifer> but gold-digging is not!
20:38 <Lizmatic> of course
20:38 <Lucifer> but I think consideration of job stability is more important than income
20:39 <Lucifer> show me a woman who can keep a job, work a job she loves, etc.
20:39 <Lucifer> that's what matters to me
20:39 <Lucifer> if it's only $10k, I can't see why I should object, if she loves the work
20:39 <Lucifer> and is doing it because she loves it, i.e. not doing it because she has to have *a* job
20:39 <Lizmatic> what if she's a prostitute?
20:39 <MaZuffeR> fortress players wanted at café
20:39 <Lucifer> I can't think of any reason I should pay for sex
20:39 <pikey> aye aye
20:39 <Lucifer> er, yeah, won't date a prostitute
20:40 <Lucifer> or a stripper
20:40 <Lucifer> or a porn star
20:40 <Lucifer> etc
20:40 <pikey> will |X|ers finally join the Ladle ?
20:40 <pikey> we go for the record :)
20:40 <pikey> ok pls continue
20:40 <BabyBug> Maybe once they're called X clan again and not drama clan (copyright z-man)
20:41 <Lucifer> there are no non-drama clans
20:41 <pikey> heh
20:41 <Lucifer> I think people form clans so they can have clan drama
20:41 <Lizmatic> x joined every ladle so idk what you're on about
20:41 <BabyBug> Lucifer, but x take it to a whole other level :P
20:41 <Lizmatic> x'ers are gay tbh
20:41 <Lucifer> you should've seen SP a few years back
20:41 <pikey> k i'll check fortcafe and be back
20:42 <Lizmatic> yeah see i don't get that
20:42 <Lizmatic> so far i've seen cool members of sp
20:42 <Lizmatic> not trolls.. so what's the deal
20:42 <Lucifer> well, they used to troll our forums a lot, and behave like smegheads in general in the servers
20:42 <Lucifer> "SP is the best clan, we're all better than you"
20:42 <Lucifer> you can guess how we responded to that :)
20:42 <ct|kyle> they are the "x F******"  <<ladle 13 :P
20:43 <Lucifer> couple of them took personal grudges against me
20:43 <Lucifer> then they had a split, and the Xzl clan formed
20:43 <Lucifer> so we had two SP-type clans kicking around for a bit
20:43 <Lizmatic> arma has more clans than players.
20:43 <Lucifer> I don't know what happened to Xzl, but SP finally got the message that smegheadedness wasn't welcome
20:43 <ct|kyle> .si xzl
20:43 <tronner> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “xzl” at the moment, sorry.
20:44 <Lizmatic> everyone in high rubber = smeghead
20:44 <ct|kyle> i think they died
20:44 <Lucifer> Xzl probably doesn't exist anymore
20:44 <Lucifer> ct formed as an anti-clan
20:44 <Lucifer> I think they were primarily supposed to be an anti-SP-clan, but could be wrong about that
20:44 <ct|kyle> basically, i don't think we even announce on armagetronad
20:44 <ct|kyle> no ct was the wildfort clan
20:44 <Lizmatic> 50% of arma players = ct
20:45 <Lucifer> no, there was no announcement, and none of this "our clan is better than yours, and if you're not in a clan you suck"
20:45 <BabyBug> Can someone please explain the point with clans?!
20:45 <Lucifer> [13:41] <Lucifer> I think people form clans so they can have clan drama
20:45 <ct|kyle> the only one's i would harass are the once with [nc] (no clan tag) because that is just pointless in my opintion
20:46 <Lizmatic> easier tournament organisation
20:46 <Lucifer> hey, remember FE?
20:46 <Lucifer> the Formerly Elite clan?  ;)
20:46 <Lucifer> man, we gave those guys a hard time, heh
20:46 <Lizmatic> wasn't radian in that?
20:46 <Lizmatic> and some other low rubber oldies
20:46 <Lucifer> yeah
20:46 <PinkTomato> was [nc] actually a clan?
20:47 <Lucifer> we called them one
20:47 <ct|kyle> no LOL
20:47 <Lizmatic> who can name all the arma clans? i'll give you a gold star
20:47 <Lucifer> in a way, I kind of miss the FE clan
20:47 <ct|kyle> there still is [nc]JC
20:47 <PinkTomato> @aawiki List of clans
20:47 <ct|kyle> #aawiki List of clans
20:47 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.73 seconds: Wraith Squadron - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Random>; 4 Team Fortress Tourney 2 - Teams List - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_2_-_Teams_List>; Playing the Game - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: (3 more messages)
20:48 <Lucifer> it was fun coming up with new meanings for FE that contradicted the official meaning
20:48 <Lucifer> oh yeah, then there was Dinosaurs with Hats
20:48 <Lizmatic> that is one awesome name
20:48 <Lucifer> heh
20:49 <Lucifer> that was Dr Joe Tron, me, fonkay, Your_mom, and maybe another person
20:49 <Lucifer> we would go in and talk all the clan trash, kick everybody's ass, and get kicked from the server
20:49 <Lucifer> it was a parody :)
20:49 <Lizmatic> haha nice
20:49 <ct|kyle> speaking of dr joe did you get an e-mail yet Lucifer
20:49 <Lucifer> no, not yet
20:50 <Lucifer> you outta ask Durka about Dinosaurs with Hats sometime
20:50 <PinkTomato> pru , N/A , N/A , ¦×¦ , >3D> , Aos , .:Avl:. , BD , .Bit , Bloody_ , CT , ¦ctk¦ , {D} , D3m| , dB| , .dBd| , |DD| , DoS , ~|DS|~ , dZ< , .EC|D , F! , |FA| , .fam<3 , |Fw~ , gK , gZ| , -=ID< , |kod| , -=L$) , MBC| , |NIC , ~'Ns. , NW~ , °°ps| , |PwN| , ~qp~ , _~R~_ , r3p. , SK| , ~*SP*~ , {Super} , Tr. , TrT~ , -=VcL. , `Ww , ~XY~ , ~".XzL ,
20:50 <PinkTomato> I thought there were more
20:50 <Lizmatic> oh man
20:50 <Lizmatic> sad thing is, there are more :p\
20:51 <Lizmatic> lets see.. I was in dBd, DD, F!, gK and TrT
20:51 <ct|kyle> ya
20:51 <ct|kyle> LOL
20:51 <Lucifer> you clan slut
20:51 <Lizmatic> and tr
20:51 <PinkTomato> you were in DD :)?
20:51 <Lizmatic> yes
20:51 <ct|kyle> LOL clan that is
20:52 <PinkTomato> Is that were you learnt that high rubber was boring?
20:52 <Lizmatic> in this order.. DD > TrT > gK > F! > dBd > Tr > x
20:52 <Lizmatic> :D
20:52 <Lucifer> if I ever hook up with a lady that plays online games, I won't date a klanner
20:52 <Lizmatic> I started out in DDL, pink..
20:52 <Lucifer> if a lady is so lacking in independence that she needs to join a clan, I'm not interested
20:53 <Lizmatic> pff Lucifer, we klanner lady's are too good for you
20:53 <BabyBug> I don't need to join a clan!
20:53 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic: ah, there are about three clans with DD anyway
20:53 <Lizmatic> true
20:53 <Lizmatic> do you know DaL/
20:53 <Lizmatic> dal*
20:54 <PinkTomato> If have seen DD| Dal about
20:54 <Lizmatic> yeah thats the DD i'm talking about
20:54 <Lizmatic> meh, I wouldve still been in tr if flex didnt force me to leave
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20:55 -!- sinewav [n=sinewav@209-252-82-123.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #armagetron
20:55 <Lucifer> so that's why you hate flex?
20:55 <PinkTomato> Didn't TR go through a sour patch recently?
20:55 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I think that statement is true about all clans at all times
20:56 <Lizmatic> I don't hate Flex
20:56 <Lizmatic> where'd you get that idea?
20:56 <Lucifer> er wait, it's BabyBug (hi there!) that hates flex, nvm
20:56 <Lizmatic> they secretly love eachother
20:56 <Lizmatic> and want to make love all night long
20:56 <sinewav> :o
20:57 <BabyBug> lol
20:57 <Lizmatic> err, think I just made BabyBug puke
20:57 <sinewav> so no hope of a flex jr?
20:57 <sinewav> baby flex
20:57 <ct|kyle> sinewav: take off work today since it was "Too Cold"
20:57 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i only hate flex cause Lizmatic manipulated me
20:57 <Lizmatic> and I'm not with Flex cause BabyBug manipulated me
20:58 <Lucifer> sinewav: we already have a luke-jr, why would you want a flex-jr?
20:58 <sinewav> lol @ flex jr
20:59 <epsy> pikey, yes; we will, we just ca't be arsed to copy our member list to a damned wiki page :<
20:59 <Lucifer> wait, epsy's in a clan?
20:59 <epsy> and /me agrees 100% with luci :<
20:59 <Lizmatic> yes, epsy is leader of x
21:00 <Lizmatic> xD..
21:00 <epsy> lol -.-
21:00 <Lucifer> no shit?
21:00 <Lucifer> damn, we need to kick him off the development team then
21:00 <Lizmatic> but an x-x-member revoked his rights
21:00 <epsy> and wrtlprnft too
21:00 <epsy> a honoured one
21:00 <epsy> cough
21:00 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft is in another clan?
21:00 <Lizmatic> epsy, where'd you have your rights removed ffs?!
21:00 <epsy> mbc
21:00 <Lizmatic> MBC
21:00 <Lucifer> mbc is still around?!?!?
21:00 <ct|kyle> MBC, are they even active LOL
21:00 <epsy> only wrtlprnft seems around from my point of view
21:00 <Lucifer> and when did they become an honored clan?
21:01 <Lucifer> aren't they supposed to be the white trash of arma?
21:01 <PinkTomato> MicroBusCity?
21:01 <Lizmatic> epsy, epsy, epsy, epsy, epsy,
21:01 <Lucifer> superceding even SP?
21:01 <epsy> no, flex is a honoured clan
21:01 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: yes
21:01 <epsy> erm, messing up my words
21:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: “around” is relative…
21:03 <wrtlprnft> i'm probably the aroundest member of mbc
21:04 <epsy> yeah, heh
21:04 <Lucifer> are you also a round member of mbc?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> i think i won a round on their server once
21:04 <Lucifer> I won rounds on their server
21:04 <epsy> then he never played it again :>
21:05 <Lucifer> it's easy to win a round when rubber is so high you can't die
21:05 <Lucifer> but I tended to get kicked when people failed to core dump me
21:05 <wrtlprnft> i still think it's nice for beginners
21:05 <Lucifer> I don't argue that, for the most part :)
21:05 <wrtlprnft> and fun to play occasionally
21:05 <BabyBug> it's terrible for beginners!
21:05 <Lucifer> I only argue that high rubber is like playing in a padded room
21:05 <wrtlprnft> plus it's way more chatty
21:05 <BabyBug> Because they they join fortress or any other low rubber game and do nothing except complain because of the rubber
21:06 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yep, they never learn how to play without the safety harness
21:06 <Lucifer> well, if they stay on MBC anyway
21:06 <wrtlprnft> 5 is wayy too much!
21:06 <Lucifer> or any particular high rubber server
21:06 <Lizmatic> dogfight *shudder*
21:06 <wrtlprnft> you should die if you even get close to another wall
21:07 <Lucifer> then how can you accelerate?
21:07 <Lucifer> besides pressing the brake, of course, but brakes are for sissies
21:07  * sinewav brakes for beer
21:07 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: you don't brake ?
21:07 <wrtlprnft> well, you could aim carefully
21:07 <BabyBug> You people should play No rubber! :P
21:07  * Lucifer speeds through the liquor store's drive-thru window because brakes are for sissies
21:08 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: only as a last resort
21:08 <Lucifer> I finally bound my brake key for fort play
21:08 <Lucifer> but I still have to look it up whenever I want to use it
21:08 <wrtlprnft> it is useful. really.
21:08 <MaZuffeR> epsy, silar on cafe...
21:08 <wrtlprnft> #tea
21:08 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): CT_l'emmy (peiaemanuel@ct), ct|Puquinho, la preSsion, La ResistANce, le pike (pike@forums), le PlayerNuby, Le ¦<, madmax, MaZuffeR, MrChiCho, u1 725, _-`Ww_ Punish, ~KirBy!<(^.^)>~, ~ReV-Silar, ¦évò¦~<(^.^)>~, ¦×¦le Radian
21:08 <PinkTomato> I'm always braking
21:08 <PinkTomato> Argh Silar...
21:08 <wrtlprnft> so café is being used again?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> woot.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> i should really play more often
21:09 <Lucifer> holy crap, I might be able to afford a real server now
21:09 <sinewav> !
21:09 -!- Lizmatic [n=Lizmatic@78-27-12-206.dsl.alice.nl] has left #armagetron ["Leaving"]
21:09  * Lucifer doesn't know how to live on more than $1k/month
21:09 -!- Lizmatic [n=Lizmatic@78-27-12-206.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #armagetron
21:09 <Lizmatic> woops
21:09 <BabyBug> fail
21:09 <Lucifer> but I'm about to like quadruple my income, holy crap!
21:09 <BabyBug> low maintenance Lucifer?
21:10 <Lucifer> pretty much, yeah
21:10 <Lucifer> there are some expensive things I want, though
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: abs(monthly_money - 1000).give_to(wrtlprnft)
21:10 <sinewav> Lucifer: did you get that job man?
21:10 <Lucifer> just found ways to do without them, that's all
21:10 <Lucifer> sinewav: YES :)
21:10 -!- nsh22 [n=nsh22@bas3-barrie18-1176218160.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #armagetron
21:10 <Lucifer> haha wrtlprnft (hi there!)
21:10 <sinewav> fuck yeah, gz on new job
21:10 -!- pikey [n=pikey@ce21.osiedle.net.pl] has quit ["Java user signed off"]
21:10 <Lucifer> ty :)
21:10 <nsh22> you got the job? gratz man
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what job?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> grats anyways
21:11 <nsh22> lol
21:11 <Lizmatic> "I'm about to like" Lucifer sounds like a teenybopper gurl!
21:11 <Lucifer> heh, job I've been working on this week
21:11 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: I did grow up in the 80s, mind you
21:11 <nsh22> lol
21:11 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: I did the phone interview on wednesday and it went really well
21:11 <Lizmatic> you must be like, 100
21:11 <Lucifer> did the in-person interview today and it went even better
21:12 <Lucifer> like no, I'm like 34, and you're like really weird, you know?
21:12 <nsh22> lol
21:12 <Lizmatic> wow, you do a great teenyboppergurl impression
21:12 <nsh22> so what are you doing at this job?
21:12 <Lucifer> like thanks.
21:12 <Lucifer> web apps, php/mysql
21:12 <nsh22> ah
21:13 <epsy> BabyBug, coming just to see silar?
21:13 <Lucifer> what's special about silar?
21:13 <BabyBug> haha
21:13 <epsy> he can cut your head
21:13 <Lucifer> no he can't, I have a sword!
21:13  * Lucifer brandishes his foil
21:13 <BabyBug> Getting bored of arma...can't play a game for 2 mins without getting bored now
21:14 <nsh22> haha
21:14 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
21:14 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 8.6°F (3:14 PM EST on January 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Steady).
21:14 <BabyBug> armagetron needs new features!
21:14 <BabyBug> like multiple floors!
21:14 <Lizmatic> you played wow for hours BabyBug..
21:14 <epsy> BabyBug, wander around different game styles
21:14 <BabyBug> and jumping bikes!
21:14 <nsh22> brrrrr
21:14 <wrtlprnft> BabyBug: 3d maps would be cool
21:14 <Lucifer> I thought the new penis engine in 0.3.1 woudl be enough for you
21:14 <nsh22> #g 8.6F in C
21:15 <@armabot> nsh22: 8.6 degrees Fahrenheit = -13 degrees Celsius
21:15 <BabyBug> wrtlprnft, YES! thank you! epsy (booo) has always been against that idea
21:15 <nsh22> penis engine?
21:15  * Lucifer likes the idea of 3d maps too
21:15 <epsy> BabyBug, I said keep the controls to left/right
21:15 <Lizmatic> I still vote for GTA: Armagetron
21:15 <nsh22> hahaha
21:15 <Lizmatic> where you can steal eachothers bikes
21:15 <Lucifer> we could be light cycles in a medieval castle
21:15 <epsy> Lizmatic, you could just mod GTA
21:16 <Lucifer> I'm in agreement with keeping the controls to left/right
21:16 <BabyBug> Well yeh you keep controls left and right..
21:16 <Lucifer> we've already been over this, we just need someone to code it ;)
21:16 <nsh22> and add up and down
21:16 <BabyBug> But there's ramps taking you to other floooors!
21:16 <epsy> now I still have trouble thinking about where to put "drop flag"
21:16 <Lucifer> and remove brakes, because brakes are for sissies
21:16 <epsy> BabyBug, yup
21:16 <Lizmatic> that's really gay, more floors?
21:16 <Lizmatic> how would that even work
21:16 <Lucifer> yeah, and ramps, and stairs
21:16 <epsy> and teleports
21:16 <Lizmatic> and a kitchen?
21:16 <BabyBug> Lucifer, stairs wont work
21:16 <BabyBug> don't be silly
21:16 <epsy> and jumppads! and void!
21:16 <Lucifer> BabyBug: why not?
21:17 <Lucifer> ah, wait, you're not seeing it the way I am, obviously :)
21:17 <epsy> yeah and you should double-jump the stairs to keep your speed
21:17 <nsh22> dark holes?
21:17 <BabyBug> Lucifer, because you're on a bike..unless you want to introduce stunt points into arma :P
21:17 <wrtlprnft> gravity!
21:17 <nsh22> lol
21:17 <Lucifer> I'm seeing a lightcycle hitting a special kind of wall where instead of crashing, the cycle turns upwards 90 degrees and climbs a new surface
21:17 <Lizmatic> a jump option in tron, jumping over eachothers walls!
21:17 <wrtlprnft> pr some other angle
21:17 <nsh22> that could work
21:17 <wrtlprnft> *or
21:17 <BabyBug> Great! Now someone code it!
21:17 <epsy> I'd rather see a curve, that would be easier to understand
21:18 <Lucifer> jumping would totally change fortress
21:18 <epsy> and ruin it
21:18 <Lizmatic> errm..
21:18 <Lizmatic> higher walls!
21:18 <Lucifer> epsy: leave it to the map designer, I say
21:18 <PinkTomato> how might jumping work?
21:18 <BabyBug> jumping should be server side setting! lol
21:18 <Lizmatic> BabyBug, you code it, nerd
21:18 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r984 Corrected a word in the english language file....
21:18 <Lucifer> yeah, nerd
21:18 <BabyBug> ><
21:18 <Lizmatic> haha
21:18 <PinkTomato> where would the walls go?
21:18 <Lizmatic> black portal
21:18 <epsy> z-man, language files for .2.8 are locked right?
21:18 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, the same thing could happen that happens with the bug when you go through walls
21:19 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I think the wall should stay attached to the floor and the height should follow the cycle
21:19 <Lucifer> so you could jump and cut someone off who is in the middle of a jump
21:19 <z-man> epsy: no.
21:19 <nsh22> lol babybug, i have that on my server
21:19 <epsy> ok
21:19 <epsy> gotta work on a little issue
21:19 <z-man> That is, depends on what you're doing
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8830 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Daniel Lee Harple: Corrected a word in the english language file.
21:19 <z-man> small additions are OK
21:19 <epsy> adding a new string
21:19 <Lucifer> he wants to provide a gungan translation
21:19 <z-man> hure reformats are of course OUT.
21:19 <epsy> heh
21:20 <sinewav> loll @ gungan
21:20 <Lucifer> Yousa been core dump-ed
21:20 <sinewav> lol!
21:20 <Lucifer> Yousa suck
21:21 <BabyBug> surely 3d maps can't be that hard to do....
21:21 <PinkTomato> Hmm, polish.txt and polish_transliterated are the same?
21:21  * Lucifer invites BabyBug to take a look at it
21:22 <nsh22> haha
21:22 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't know C/C++
21:22 <BabyBug> although...
21:22 <BabyBug> Where would i look at it! :P
21:22 <nsh22> it would be easier to start from scratch
21:22 <Lucifer> I don't actually know where the map stuff can be found
21:22 <nsh22> in notepad
21:22 <Lizmatic> great, code talk again..
21:22  * BabyBug face palms
21:22 <nsh22> with one finger
21:22 <Lucifer> it would actually take a fair amount of work, though
21:22 <epsy> it's in game, I think
21:22 <Lucifer> well, you could start with the src/tron directory :)
21:23 <Lucifer> luke-jr: hey, what files did all the mapping stuff wind up using?
21:23  * Lucifer isn't really expecting an answer, but a starting point would be good
21:23 <Lucifer> BabyBug: if you already know some python, it's not that hard to pick up C++
21:24 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft coded the cockpit as his first serious C++ venture, and he came from a php background
21:24 <Lucifer> now he's a fine C++ programmer
21:24 <BabyBug> Lucifer, my brain isn't good enough to pick up c++
21:24 <epsy> try coding in PIE!
21:24 <Lucifer> heh, put that on my list
21:25 <Lucifer> I will not date a woman who says she's too dumb to try something new :)
21:25 <nsh22> lol
21:25 <BabyBug> the best i've been able to do is fix the Join Spectator option in the menu's!
21:25 <BabyBug> but that was a piece of piddle
21:25 <epsy> at least you can delete code :)
21:25 <PinkTomato> Well it's small bits of piddle
21:25 <epsy> wait, is it actually fixed?
21:25 <PinkTomato> mix bits of piddle together
21:25 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft started by adding simple bar gauges to the HUD
21:26 <BabyBug> epsy, yup..want a patch :P
21:26 <epsy> attach it to a bug
21:26 <nsh22> what was wrong with it?
21:26 <BabyBug> #someone needs to make an lp search command
21:26 <epsy> nsh22, it does..nothing
21:27 <Lucifer> nsh22: you broke it
21:27 <nsh22> oh
21:27 <nsh22> lol
21:27 <nsh22> at least i gave her osomething to do then
21:27  * BabyBug double checks it still works
21:27 <Lucifer> yeah, without it she probably would have spent more time here hitting on people
21:27 <nsh22> lol
21:28 <Lizmatic> adios
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21:28 <BabyBug> nsh22, i done it ages ago..you give me nothing :P
21:29  * nsh22 gives you a new bug to fix, the alt f4 needs to be tested
21:29 <nsh22> lol
21:29 <epsy> alt+f4 switches to my 4th desktop, as expected
21:29 <epsy> Wontfix
21:30 <nsh22> lol
21:30 <epsy> :)
21:30 <BabyBug> I can only fix one line thingies that all the other people are lazy to look into
21:30 <nsh22> just test the alt f4 function
21:30 <epsy> BabyBug, if you're up to fix one line, check out this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/316374
21:30 <nsh22> lol
21:30 <Lucifer> alt-f4 closes windows
21:31 <nsh22> i know
21:31 <nsh22> si just want to see if it still works, but too lazy to do it myself
21:31 <Lucifer> use shift-escape instead?
21:31 <BabyBug> epsy, oki doke!
21:31 <nsh22> a
21:31 <nsh22> lol
21:31 <nsh22> shift esc is fun
21:32 <epsy> nsh22, write a bot to test such stuff
21:32 <nsh22> lol
21:32  * nsh22 is dumb
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21:33 <PinkTomato> That's a one line fix O-o?
21:34 <epsy> PinkTomato, the rename thing?
21:34 <PinkTomato> yeah :)
21:34 <Lucifer> my favorite bug report was "every time I press shift-escape, the game crashes"
21:34 <epsy> well yeah
21:34 <nsh22> hahahahahahahhahah
21:34 <epsy> it just takes you to like puzzle games
21:34 <nsh22> did somebody ACTUALLY say that?
21:35 <Lucifer> yes
21:35 <nsh22> wow
21:35 <nsh22> haha im still laughing
21:35 <epsy> yes, it was Lucifer's first bug report when discovering about armagetron
21:35 <nsh22> lol
21:36 <PinkTomato> Don't press shift esc then :)? Was that the comment?
21:36 <epsy> not a bug
21:36 <BabyBug> Can somone please explain why make also run configure again?
21:36 <BabyBug> runs*
21:36 <epsy> it does so when configure.ac or whatever was updated
21:37 <BabyBug> ahhhh
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21:42 <BabyBug> i hate the laptop! cpu it stuck at 1ghz again :'(
21:43 <epsy> at least it doesn't need it's crappy drivers
21:44 <BabyBug> lol?
21:44 <epsy> unlike the best GPUs in the world
21:44 <BabyBug> nvidia drivers arn't all that bad...
21:45 <epsy> I'm talking about the best GPUs in the world, according to luke-jr
21:45 <BabyBug> ati?
21:46 <epsy> still wrong
21:47 <BabyBug> erm..
21:47 <BabyBug> i don't know any others
21:47 <PinkTomato> It can't be intel..
21:47 <epsy> You Phialed!
21:47 <BabyBug> ok someone broke the trunk
21:47 <epsy> it is
21:47 <BabyBug> i blame z-man
21:48 <epsy> I'd blame ivantis3 instead
21:48 <BabyBug> no no it's definatly z-man's fault
21:48 <BabyBug> he broke ftgl
21:48 <epsy> wait, he's an ftgl developer?
21:49 <ct|kyle> he probably messed up merging
21:50 <BabyBug> his include line is totally wrong
21:50 <epsy> hah, see you know about c++
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21:50 <BabyBug> i do not lol
21:50 <BabyBug> I can just tell when something doesn't look like the rest of it xD
21:51 <BabyBug> (i could be totally wrong anywhoo)
21:51 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
21:51 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: what do you think is wrong
21:51 <BabyBug> well considering i get this
21:52 <BabyBug> render/rFont.cpp:39:18: error: ftgl.h: No such file or directory
21:52 <BabyBug> It has to be wrong :P
21:52 <BabyBug> or...i have a broken computer
21:52 <BabyBug> either way..it's wrong!
21:53 <ct|kyle> he probably forgot to add file
21:53 <ct|kyle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-armagetronad-work/revision/788
21:57 <BabyBug> Hrmm...If i install the broken FTGL..it compile fine...The working FTGL..it doesn't compile..Irony ftw!
21:59 <epsy> BabyBug, on the rename bug?
21:59 <BabyBug> epsy, no no
21:59 <BabyBug> on z-man's broken include line
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21:59 <epsy> Irony ftw!
22:00 <dlh> looks like ftgl wants people to use FTGL/ftgl.h now
22:00 <wrtlprnft> but old versions don't have that file?
22:00 <dlh> which didn't exist in older versions
22:00 <wrtlprnft> great.
22:00 <BabyBug> correct
22:00 <wrtlprnft> who invented that?
22:01 <BabyBug> just to point out though...If you're planning to integrate utf-8 sometime soon, you'll have to use the newer version of FTGL won't you?
22:01 <epsy> when hosting a hybrid game, net state is on server, right?
22:03 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8831 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy: /op should now give messages when resulting access level is same as original.
22:04 <epsy> that's for hoaxy
22:05 <epsy> wrtlprnft, "rain's binary" is what's in ~rain/arma-0.2.8-bzr/ ?
22:06 <z-man> BabyBug: don't blame me, blame FTGL
22:06 <BabyBug> z-man, that would require effort, i can blame you easily here and now =P
22:06 <z-man> apparently, they deprecated headers right when they introduced the new one.
22:07 <BabyBug> But configure checks to make sure you're not running the new one....
22:08 <Lucifer> you are aware that's a temporary "fix" for the crash, and that's all it is, right?  ;)
22:09 <BabyBug> a fix?
22:09 <Lucifer> well yeah, if you don't build with the newer version, you don't get the crash
22:09 <BabyBug> but now you can't build with the older version...
22:10 <Lucifer> maybe something's changed in the trunk
22:10  * Lucifer needs to get on 0.3.1 again, but has the kids this weekend
22:10 <Lucifer> actually, I'm going to be awfully busy next week, so I may not be back on it until next weekend
22:11 <Lucifer> school starts again, and I'm working all evenings for the first two weeks
22:11 <BabyBug> whens this new job start?
22:13 <Lucifer> Tuesday
22:13 <Lucifer> and I'll have my kids an extra day
22:13 <Lucifer> I have $145 in my bank account right now, I think I'd like to take the kids out for dinner tonight
22:13 <Lucifer> I'm sure they'd like that :)
22:14 <K-Yo> sure!
22:15 <BabyBug> gotta go, toodles \o
22:15 <Lucifer> o/
22:15 <BabyBug> and yes they'd love it! =D
22:20 <K-Yo> cua
22:20 <epsy> cua?
22:20 <K-Yo> see you all
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22:21 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r985 /op should now give messages when resulting access level is ...
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22:49 <z-man> Merging is hell, merging is hell
22:50 <z-man> especially merging two year old development branches
22:50  * z-man is trying to update the utf8 branch
22:51 <BabyBug> i tried that and failed miserably! \o/
22:52 <ivantis2> guru3, what date was the join/part disturbance from ivantis3? jan 12? it was also going on in ##mac. stupid supybot
22:53 <z-man> Hah, success!!!!
22:53 <z-man> And it doesn't crash with the broken ftgl!
22:53 <z-man> It still doesn't display stuff correctly, but it doesn't crash.
22:53 <BabyBug> Does it display stuff correctly with the old FTGL?
22:54 <z-man> It doesn't compile with old FTGL, I'd guess :)
22:54 <BabyBug> ohs
22:54 <z-man> Better get this into svn before I break it again.
22:54 <ct|kyle> heh
22:54 <epsy> that means no more merging hell does it?
22:55 <z-man> I hope. I'll also try to turn it into a bzr branch so we can merge back and forth easier.
22:56 <z-man> I'm rethinking how the network should handle unicode.
22:56 <BabyBug> epsy, is there already a bug report for that join spectators thingy? couldn't find one but just double checking..
22:57 <epsy> well, the bug report interface has such a feature
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23:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8832 /armagetronad/branches/ (utf8/ utf8-outdated/): Making room for restarted branch.
23:01 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8833 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/: Restarting utf8 branch.
23:02 <epsy> errrr
23:02 <epsy> trunk-utf8 might have been prettier
23:02 <z-man> maybe, but I didn't want to rename it.
23:03 <BabyBug> epsy, i never saw any such feature...but it's posted now anywhoo
23:04 <epsy> BabyBug, a feature to prevent duplicates
23:05 <BabyBug> oh right i see
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23:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8834 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/armagetronad/ (34 files in 13 dirs):
23:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: Re-applied changes from old utf8 branch, now found at
23:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: armagetronad/branches/utf8-outdated.
23:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: textures and language directories have diverged and should not be
23:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: merged. If/when this is to be merged to the trunk, the language files
23:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: from the trunk should be taken and reconverted to utf8. Texture
23:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: changes in this branch look more useful than those on the trunk to me.
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23:27 <epsy> z-man, er, actually, I can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/316374
23:27 <epsy> did someone fix it already?
23:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8835 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.h: Made nDescriptor::ID const.
23:28 <epsy> z-man, also the un-*DEAD* also happens with /msg's
23:29 <Lucifer> does it also happen with anything else, also?
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23:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8836 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Fixed utf8 conversion. Thanks to gcc for the warnings :)
23:29 <Lucifer> *DEAD* is just a hack anyway, because messages don't contain enough information for the client to construct the chat line
23:29 <z-man> Right.
23:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8837 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/armagetronad/src/ (thirdparty/utf8/utf8.h ui/uMenu.cpp): Fixed GCC 4.3 warnings.
23:30 <Lucifer> I wouldn't object to it being marked wontfix ;)
23:30 <epsy> also, I can't hit host game from internet game
23:30 <z-man> But nevertheless, the server should send all chat lines as chat packets if possible.
23:30 <epsy> it kicks itself saying I'm running an outdated test version
23:31 <Lucifer> with player link and scope, and it should still enforce scope on its own ;)
23:31 <z-man> yeah, the master server doesn't like that.
23:31 <epsy> er, wait
23:31 <epsy> it rather says server is too new
23:31 <epsy> it actually contacts master servers?
23:32 <z-man> that, too. Use a debug build.
23:32 <z-man> Those don't complain.
23:32 <z-man> Yes.
23:33 <epsy> err, that means one wiki article is misleading, I think
23:33 <z-man> Which one?
23:33 <epsy> I don't know, but I remember reading that
23:33 <z-man> Reading what?
23:33 <epsy> the faulty wiki article
23:34 <z-man> Faulty in which way?
23:34 <epsy> misleading me to think hybrids wont ping masters
23:34 <z-man> Umm, why would anyone think and write that?
23:35 <epsy> I don't know, that was new to me
23:35 <epsy> #aawikis host game list
23:35 <epsy> #help aawikis
23:36 <@armabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "aawikis".
23:36 <epsy> #google site:wiki.armagetronad.net host game list
23:36 <@armabot> epsy: Search took 0.45 seconds: PlayingGettingStarted - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=PlayingGettingStarted>; FAQ - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=FAQ>; Server Administration Guide - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration_Guide>; Console Commands - (1 more message)
23:37 <z-man> Anyway, about https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/316374 :
23:37 <z-man> what happens if you host a LAN game?
23:37 <epsy> works as expected
23:37 <z-man> With a trunk client?
23:37 <epsy> though I actually remember reproducing it
23:37 <epsy> oh, trunk?
23:38 <z-man> yes :)
23:38  * z-man points to the "Status tracked in Trunk" line.
23:38 <epsy> I rarely see that line, not used to it :<
23:39 <z-man> There's too many ways to tag bugs for branches in launchpad if you ask me
23:39 <z-man> you can attach tags
23:39 <z-man> you can target them for releases
23:39 <z-man> or you can track them in development lines.
23:40 <epsy> or link them to branches, heh
23:40 <z-man> Yes :)
23:40 <z-man> And you can't filter the bug list for all these methods.
23:40 <z-man> Only for tags and milestone targets.
23:41 <z-man> That probably means we should use the target to milestone method consequently
23:41 <z-man> and move the bugs we didn't manage to fix by the next milestone to the milestone after that.
23:41 <epsy> that's what I usually do along branch-linking when I think about it
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23:43 <ct|kyle> z-man: so what are you plans for the network code stuff, you mentioned a google code tool
23:43  * epsy was thinking about a CSS-style thing
23:43 <epsy> what's this google thing coded with?
23:44 <z-man> dunno, but it supports C++ and python and either Java or C#, can't remember which
23:44 <z-man> Anyway, plan is simple:
23:44 <BabyBug> Python \o/
23:44 <epsy> lol
23:44 <z-man> For now, strings sent over the net stay latin1.
23:45 <z-man> Whatever fancy new network code we'll use sends them as utf8.
23:45 <z-man> That way, we don't need hackery conversion.
23:45 <z-man> In the current network code.
23:45 <z-man> Which is giving me headaches right now.
23:46 <z-man> That is, it gave me headaches back then and was the reason I abandoned the utf8 branch :)
23:46 <z-man> Which gave me headaches today with the merging.
23:47 <epsy> Thinking about it, it gave me a lot of headaches regarding player renaming, heh
23:47 <epsy> I mean, if we could trigger an action when a player finishes editing his profile sheet, it wouldn't be as complicated as it is now
23:48 <epsy> same goes for teams
23:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8838 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Fixed sending zero length strings.
23:52 <epsy> BabyBug, if ( player->NextTeam()!=NULL && player->IsSpectating() )
23:52 <epsy> ??
23:52 <z-man> hmm, bazaarmagetron will be busy for the next couple of hours :)
23:52 <epsy> BabyBug, don't you just want the opposite
23:52 <BabyBug> epsy, That stops "join spectators" from appearing twice
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23:52 <epsy> err, what's the block right before this?
23:54 <epsy> gotta bzr blame that O_o
23:55 <epsy> I guess the guy who put the second block in wanted to put something else
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23:57 <epsy> hrm, it was merged in all directions and through bzr-svn
23:59 <@armabot> lpbugs: [318018] join spectators does...nothing >.< and it's there twice!
23:59 <BabyBug> armabot should link to the bug.. *pokes wrtlprnft*
23:59 <ct|kyle> 318018

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