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Log from 2009-01-01:
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00:22 <epsy_afk> darn teabot
00:22 <epsy_afk> um, happy new year
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00:23 <Your_mom_arma> guru3: ping
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00:41 <smoothice> Your_mom_arma: If you want to use a bot try armabot, smoothbot, or ljrbot.
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00:49 <Your_mom_arma> huh? ... no I'm pinging guru 3 to see if he's available to talk
00:49 <Your_mom_arma> well, chat
00:49 <Your_mom_arma> z-man: ping
00:50 <z-man> pong
00:50 <Your_mom_arma> you think tank programs a user?
00:50  * z-man notes it's 10 minutes to the new year here and his wife has just been put into hospital with a broken lower leg
00:50 <z-man> a user?
00:51 <Your_mom_arma> sorry, what happened?
00:51 <z-man> nothing much more than what I told you :)
00:51 <z-man> wife fell, broke her foot/lower leg, was brought to the hospital.
00:52 <Your_mom_arma> what an unlucky start to the new year
00:52 <z-man> she'll be in there when our return flight should be, so I'm a bit rotating trying to figure out how to change the flight :)
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> good luck with that, hope she has a speedy recovery
00:55 <smoothice> z-man: ping
01:00 <smoothice> &ping
01:00 <smoothbot> pong
01:01 <PinkTomato> aw
01:01 <PinkTomato> i missed the leap second
01:04 <smoothice> PinkTomato: You're getting a surge of people on your Fortress server
01:05 <smoothice> PinkTomato: 6, but all at once :D
01:19 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I saved it off on that turn, so we can resume it sometime
01:19 <Lucifer> z-man: just give her a new flight to Texas so we can commiserate, heh
01:19 <Lucifer> her broken leg, and my fever :(
01:25 <smoothice> Has anyone developed an AI that can play sumo?
01:29 <smoothice> PinkTomato: I'm on top in Sumo: http://www.grabup.com/uploads/0b6ac373614227ab68e7c0b346d6f95b.png?direct
01:30 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Never thought _that_ would happen lol.
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01:46 <smoothice> luke-jr: for your webhosting do you use apache or lighttpd?
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01:56 <z-man> Lucifer: nice try :) But forget it. She's mine. MINE ALONE. MWAHAHAHAHA!
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01:57 <Your_mom_arma> z-man isn't a swinger
01:57 <Lucifer> z-man: maybe you can send one of her lisbion friends instead, then, eh?
01:57 <z-man> Maybe.
01:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8716 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: Removing tags before pushing to svn. bzr-svn doesn't like tags. Plus, test commit for this functionality :)
01:59 <Lucifer> bzr pull lp:~davefancella/+junk/eugenics-dev
02:00 <Lucifer> er, I should put that in the #eugenics topics
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02:44 <luke-jr> smoothice: Apache
02:44 <smoothice> luke-jr: If a customer wanted lightttpd would you oblige?
02:45 <luke-jr> smoothice: I don't see the point..
02:45 <luke-jr> what does lighttpd do that apache doesn't?
02:45 <smoothice> luke-jr: It's faster?
02:45 <PinkTomato> it's not faster, just lighter
02:46 <smoothice> Isn't faster lighter?
02:46 <luke-jr> no.
02:46 <luke-jr> lighter can be simply less features, not less bloat
02:46 <PinkTomato> In fact it could mean slower,
02:46 <luke-jr> Apache is pretty good
02:47 <PinkTomato> yeah, if you have the resources, use apache :)
02:48 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: he's talking about running lighttpd for him, even tho I already run Apache for my other sites
02:48 <PinkTomato> ah so you would use the same process
02:49 <luke-jr> well, it means I'd be running both Apache *and* lighttpd
02:49 <luke-jr> which seems silly
02:49 <PinkTomato> yes it does :)
02:49 <smoothice> lol
02:49 <luke-jr> smoothice: do you plan to use PHP?
02:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: yeah
02:50 <luke-jr> even if lighttpd is slightly faster than Apache, PHP will easily make that difference irrelevant
02:50 <smoothice> ok
02:50 <luke-jr> especially since PHP is faster with Apache
02:50 <luke-jr> (mod_php vs CGI)
02:51 <smoothice> luke-jr: If you charged $30 or more a month for apache,svn,1-2 arma servers and I could get a VPS for $20 a month... what's the justification?
02:51 <smoothice> For your services
02:52 <Lucifer> when something breaks, you yell at luke?
02:52 <smoothice> Is that fun?
02:52 <Lucifer> if something breaks on your VPS, you're the one who gets yelled at :)
02:52 <Lucifer> yes, it is fun
02:52 <smoothice> lol
02:52 <luke-jr> I'm not sure a $20 VPS can pull all that off too well, in the first place. ;)
02:52 <Lucifer> indeed, a VPS is an entire OS running in a virtual machine
02:52 <luke-jr> and as Lucifer said, big difference between unmanaged and managed
02:52 <smoothice> ok
02:53 <smoothice> Drop the arma servers..
02:53 <smoothice> You'd probably charge around $20 for that then right?
02:53 <smoothice> for lets say
02:53 <luke-jr> depending on bandwidth, I suppose
02:53 <smoothice> 60GB storage
02:53 <luke-jr> :O
02:53 <smoothice> lol
02:54 <PinkTomato> what you need 60GB for!?
02:54 <smoothice> meh
02:54 <smoothice> bragging purposes?
02:54 <smoothice> :P
02:54 <luke-jr> that's more than half my CT dedi's disk
02:54 <luke-jr> 2/3 of the free space XD
02:55 <smoothice> I don't know.. just trying to justify your services vs. VPS vs. my own services
02:55 <luke-jr> smoothice: to rephrase managed vs unmanaged, notice that if you have a problem with some service on your cheapvps, it's $75/hr ;)
02:55 <smoothice> luke-jr: Or you could just reinstall the vm...
02:56 <smoothice> luke-jr: and start over for free
02:56 <luke-jr> smoothice: if you don't mind the downtiem and data loss
02:56 <smoothice> luke-jr: you make backups?
02:56 <luke-jr> smoothice: not regularly
02:56 <smoothice> luke-jr: You get lucky?
02:57 <luke-jr> varies from each week to every few months
02:57 <luke-jr> mainly when stuff changes a lot ☺
02:57 <luke-jr> most of the time, the only changes are Arma logs
02:58 <PinkTomato> arma log files are huge
02:58 <Corn> omg i just looked up the armagetron facebook group and it has 214 hahaha
02:58 <luke-jr> Corn: yep
02:58 <luke-jr> Corn: this is the group that decided girls should not play Armagetron
02:58 <PinkTomato> I'm not there :)
02:58 <Corn> yeah you told me that
02:58 <Corn> more girls play then i though... they probably all suck though
02:59 <Corn> thought&
02:59 <Corn> *
02:59 <Corn> its still fucking hilarious though
03:00 <Corn> Discussion Board > Girls should not play armegetron!!!
03:00 <Corn> ah haha
03:02 <Corn> "There are many things said on armegetron that are completely disgusting, there r also many mean and harsh things said, most boys no this is all a joke, but some girls think we are serious..."
03:02 <PinkTomato> learn to spell
03:02 <PinkTomato> that person should
03:03 <smoothice> luke-jr: the thing is.. I can run this many arma servers on my own time:
03:03 <smoothice> &smoothservers
03:03 <smoothbot> smoothice: Dog Fight: Online --- Sumo: Online --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
03:03 <Corn> "Man to put it simple, bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. you can quote me on that too."  lmfao
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03:06 <luke-jr> smoothice: with good pings and all full?
03:07 <smoothice> luke-jr: nah... I can only run two at once with 130 pings if all full :P
03:07 <luke-jr> :þ
03:07 <smoothice> luke-jr: lol
03:07 <luke-jr> 130 pings is like Europe players on my Connecticut server
03:08 <luke-jr> whereas closer players have got as low as 20-30
03:08 <smoothice> luke-jr: yeah.. I have pretty good pings to the Dallas center in the US
03:08 <smoothice> well
03:08 <smoothice> 60-70 is good for me...
03:08 <luke-jr> ping lightfoot-ct.dashjr.org
03:09 <smoothice> average: 106 ms
03:09 <luke-jr> O.o
03:09 <Corn> Taz joined the facebook group? lol
03:10 <smoothice> Average to PinkTomato's VPS: 65 ms
03:10 <luke-jr> smoothice: you're where again?
03:10 <smoothice> luke-jr: midwest US
03:10 <luke-jr> that's odd
03:10 <smoothice> west midwest
03:10 <smoothice> coloado
03:10 <smoothice> colorado
03:10 <smoothice> :D
03:10 <luke-jr> I'm in Omaha
03:10 <luke-jr> 76ms avg
03:10 <smoothice> :/
03:10 <smoothice> I'll try again
03:10 <luke-jr> got mtr?
03:10 <smoothice> mtr?
03:11 <luke-jr> traceroute+ping
03:11 <luke-jr> it shows *where* the latency is coming from
03:11 <smoothice> oh
03:11 <smoothice> no
03:11 <smoothice> I don't
03:11 <smoothice> try pinging smootharma.homelinux.com
03:11 <smoothice> and tell me your averages
03:11 <luke-jr> from home or lightfoot? :þ
03:11 <smoothice> both
03:12 <luke-jr> from home, I get 98ms average
03:12 <luke-jr> 11ms jump leaving Cox's network
03:12 <smoothice> ok
03:12 <luke-jr> 13ms jump on Level3
03:12 <luke-jr> 20ms jump entering Qwest's network
03:12 <smoothice> yikes
03:12 <smoothice> yeah
03:12 <luke-jr> 43ms jump on the last hop
03:13 <luke-jr> (quest->you probably)
03:13 <smoothice> Yep
03:13 <PinkTomato> Probably all that copper
03:13 <luke-jr> ok, now from lightfoot-ct:
03:13 <smoothice> ?
03:13 <smoothice> ok
03:13 <luke-jr> avg 106ms ☹
03:13 <luke-jr> 5ms until it gets to Qwest :/
03:13 <luke-jr>  1.                               0.0%    33    1.2  18.3   0.9 212.8  39.9
03:13 <luke-jr>  2.                                0.0%    32    0.7   0.3   0.3   0.7   0.1
03:14 <luke-jr>  3. POS2-1.GW4.NYC8.ALTER.NET                 0.0%    32    3.1   3.1   3.1   3.2   0.1
03:14 <luke-jr>  4. 0.so-1-2-2.XT1.NYC8.ALTER.NET             0.0%    32    3.2   5.1   3.2  54.2   9.1
03:14 <luke-jr>  5. 0.so-6-0-0.XL3.NYC4.ALTER.NET             0.0%    32    3.9   4.7   3.8  27.0   4.1
03:14 <luke-jr>  6. 0.ge-5-0-0.BR3.NYC4.ALTER.NET             0.0%    32    3.9   4.7   3.8  31.0   4.8
03:14 <luke-jr>  7. nyc-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net                0.0%    37    4.0   4.0   3.9   4.2   0.1
03:14 <luke-jr>  8. ewr-core-02.inet.qwest.net                0.0%    45    4.8   5.0   4.8  14.6   1.5
03:14 <luke-jr>  9. hlrn-agw1.inet.qwest.net                 16.3%    44   63.2  64.0  62.9  77.4   3.4
03:14 <luke-jr> 10. hlrn-dsl-gw32-250.hlrn.qwest.net          0.0%    44   61.3  64.3  61.1 121.9   9.9
03:14 <luke-jr> 11. 71-218-48-17.hlrn.qwest.net               0.0%    44  107.6 106.7 105.4 109.1   0.6
03:14 <luke-jr>  Host                                        Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
03:14  * luke-jr makes note to never get Qwest.
03:14 <smoothice> lol
03:14 <smoothice> What's your ISP?
03:15 <luke-jr> at home, Cox
03:15 <smoothice> Cable?
03:15 <luke-jr> yes
03:15 <smoothice> yeah
03:15 <smoothice> I'm on DSL
03:15 <smoothice> Poor latency
03:15 <smoothice> but
03:15 <smoothice> good speed
03:15 <smoothice> ~10 megabits
03:15 <luke-jr> pfft
03:15 <luke-jr> I get 12 mbits
03:15 <smoothice> good for you
03:15 <smoothice> lol
03:15 <PinkTomato> pfft, I want my uncle's internet
03:15 <PinkTomato> 100Mbit
03:16 <smoothice> Cable here is COmcast
03:16 <smoothice> Which we all know is crud
03:16 <luke-jr> Comcast is fail
03:16 <smoothice> yeah
03:16 <smoothice> exactly
03:16 <luke-jr> I miss Time Warner.
03:17 <PinkTomato> smoothice: 68ms average from Texas
03:17 <smoothice> PinkTomato: yeah...
03:17 <PinkTomato> well
03:17 <PinkTomato> its odd
03:17 <smoothice> ???
03:17 <PinkTomato> pings are usually higher than average for my server
03:17 <luke-jr> lol
03:17 <PinkTomato> about 9-11ms
03:18 <smoothice> wait.. you're saying 68 is low?
03:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: pings to UK
03:18 <smoothice> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=5 ttl=54 time=182.610 ms
03:18 <smoothice> rather high
03:18 <PinkTomato> No relatively
03:18 <PinkTomato> compared to lightfoot
03:18 <PinkTomato> i get better pings to lightfoot
03:18 <PinkTomato> than texas
03:19 <luke-jr> smoothice: lightfoot-ct gets ~77ms pings to UK
03:19 <smoothice> PinkTomato: that's expected since you're in EU
03:19 <PinkTomato> Oh, is it east coast?
03:19 <smoothice> ct = connecticut
03:20 <luke-jr> lulz
03:20 <PinkTomato> no idea where that is....
03:20 <luke-jr> yes, east coast
03:20 <PinkTomato> ah right :)
03:20 <luke-jr> that's odd, better pings to Europe than to Qwest Colorado
03:20 <smoothice> *sigh*
03:20 <smoothice> lol
03:20 <luke-jr> smoothice: move somewhere sane XD
03:21 <smoothice> luke-jr: >.<
03:21 <smoothice> PinkTomato: pings to your local IP are
03:21 <smoothice> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=226.565 ms
03:21 <smoothice> highly high
03:21 <smoothice> lol
03:21 <PinkTomato> hehe, it would be higher
03:21 <PinkTomato> i used to have 100ms pings to europe
03:21 <PinkTomato> till I moaned at the ISP
03:22 <smoothice> they capped?
03:23 <PinkTomato> Oh I think it was the way they had the connection set up. Things like Fastpath and Interleaved or something
03:24 <smoothice> I have to go..
03:24 <smoothice> later
03:24 <PinkTomato> yeah me too night
03:24 <PinkTomato> :)
03:24 <smoothice> :)
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03:37 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8718 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. MacOS/rakelib/config.rake MacOS/rakelib/xcode.rake): Daniel Lee Harple: Moved TAG_MAPPINGS to AA::Xcode
03:38 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8719 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Daniel Lee Harple: Merge because rebase was throwing exceptions.
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04:38 <Corn> What is the explosion radius on Cafe? 4 or 2?
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05:01 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you have a bot in #freeciv
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05:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: do I?
05:16 <Lucifer> ljrbot is yours, right?
05:16  * ljrbot agrees 100%
05:16 <luke-jr> indeed
05:16 <luke-jr> he does seem to be there
05:16 <luke-jr> good to know
05:17 <smoothbot> /me notes that I'm a bot too..
05:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: did you have a point, btw? ;)
05:18 <Lucifer> just in case you forgot about it and didn't want it there?
05:19 <luke-jr> ok, thanks for letting me know ;)
05:19  * luke-jr couldn't care less unless someone complains
05:19 <smoothice> luke-jr: Where is ljrbot hosted?
05:21 <smoothice> luke-jr: your home computer? I cannot imagine you'd use lightfoot
05:26 <luke-jr> smoothice: home server
05:26 <smoothice> ah
05:26 <smoothice> cool
05:26 <luke-jr> dual CPU 500 MHz
05:26 <luke-jr> :þ
05:26 <smoothice> So you have three servers?
05:26 <luke-jr> PowerEdge 6400
05:26 <luke-jr> well, 4 if you count the home one XD
05:37 <smoothice> 3 outside of home?
05:44 <luke-jr> yes
05:53 <smoothice> Uk, CT and?
06:00 <luke-jr> UK, CT, and TX
06:01 <luke-jr> Happy feast of the circumcision!
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06:08 <Lucifer> an hour away from 2009 :/
06:11 <smoothice> two hours here :/
06:40 <Lucifer> hmmm, now I'm back to that question again
06:40 <Lucifer> do I write my own packet generator script that reads freeciv's packets.def and outputs my own code
06:40 <Lucifer> do I modify theirs to output my own code (in which case they've got all the parsing done for me)
06:40 <Lucifer> or
06:40 <Lucifer> do I hand-code all the packets myself?
06:41  * Lucifer is currently leaning towards writing his own from scratch
06:43 <Lucifer> hmm, an alternative is to use freeciv's unmodified, and give it my own headers that are unbuckled from freeciv source
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07:20 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what happened to Eugenics?
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07:54 <hang3r> Well the inbreeding failed and they all ate each other.
07:57 <luke-jr> …
08:22 <Lucifer> heh
08:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it's still in the works, really
08:22 <Lucifer> I started over in c++ with the intention of using freeciv as the game engine
08:22 <Lucifer> so where I'm at right now, it *can* connect to the server, but can't exchange any messages with it yet
08:23 <Lucifer> because I need to be able to create and interpret freeciv packets
08:24 <Lucifer> hence my earlier choice, which I haven't made yet
08:28 <Lucifer> the #eugenics channel has in the topic where to get the code from if you want to fool with it
08:34 <luke-jr> hm
08:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer: any idea why my speakers sound like crap these days?
08:34 <Lucifer> it's the music you listen to :)
08:35 <Lucifer> did you blow them?
08:36 <luke-jr> dunno?
08:36 <luke-jr> I can still hear
08:36 <luke-jr> it just sounds crappy
08:37 <luke-jr> like it's distorted, but it's not that loud
08:37 <luke-jr> both sides
08:38 <luke-jr> oh well ☹
08:38 <Lucifer> hmmm, that sounds like they're blown
08:38 <luke-jr> how to fix?
08:38 <Lucifer> that or you've changed something, like sound card, and it's outputting at too high of a level for the speakers to handle
08:39 <Lucifer> the fix to blown computer speakers is to buy new ones :)
08:39 <luke-jr> ☹
08:39 <Lucifer> are we talking little computer speakers, or big stereo speakers?
08:39 <luke-jr> there's a difference?
08:39 <Lucifer> well, yeah, heh
08:39 <luke-jr> there's 3 pieces
08:39 <Lucifer> computer speakers are little things that go on the desk, big stereo speakers are large and generally go on the floor, stand waistt high  (or so)
08:40 <luke-jr> oh
08:40 <luke-jr> small
08:40 <Lucifer> yeah, get new ones then, sorry
08:40 <luke-jr> can't just resolder something?
08:40 <Lucifer> but it might be worth trying to determine if it really is the speakers
08:40 <luke-jr> :x
08:40 <Lucifer> blown speakers mean the cone itself is broken, usually split from the voice coil
08:40 <luke-jr> can't replace onboard sound card
08:41 <Lucifer> hence the distorted sound, the range of motion has decreased
08:41 <luke-jr> better be the speakers
08:41 <luke-jr> cone?
08:41 <Lucifer> you might crack them open and see if the cone has broken, and try masking tape
08:41 <Lucifer> yeah, there's a little paper cone in there that wiggles back and forth
08:41 <Lucifer> see, when a speaker blows, that means it's received a signal of higher amplitude than it's capable of tolerating
08:42 <Lucifer> so something in the mechanical part has to break, because the electrical part can usually tolerate it
08:42 <Lucifer> you'd rather have it that way than having the electrical part start a fire because you turned the volume up too loud :)
08:42 <Lucifer> the weakest mechanical part is the paper cone, particularly where it connects to the voice coil
08:43 <Lucifer> the voice coil is in the back, and it's basically just a magnet that translates the incoming electrical signal into mechanical motion
08:43 <luke-jr> I feel like an idiot for taking apart my alarm clock when I need to be up in 7 hrs
08:43 <Lucifer> er, put it back together and go to bed?
08:43 <Lucifer> speakers that sound like crap can still wake you up, right?
08:44 <luke-jr> yeah, but..
08:44 <luke-jr> gr
08:44 <luke-jr> stupid idiots glued the wire in place
08:46 <luke-jr> well, I see the speaker piece itself now
08:46 <luke-jr> no obvious physical damage
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08:47 <Lucifer> probably outta put it back together then, but before you do, take a look around the inside of the case and make sure there aren't any holes or cracks that shouldn't be there
08:48 <Lucifer> and that any holes that should be there are clear of obstructions :)
08:48 <luke-jr> yep, everything looks good
08:49 <Lucifer> pay close attention to the seal between the speakker and the case when you put it back
08:49 <Lucifer> that's another place air could leak, and if it were leaking there before, you want to fix it
08:49 <Lucifer> if it were not leaking there before, you don't want to cause it to leak now
08:50 <Lucifer> the only other thing I know of that could cause it to distort is actual electrical distortion, but I don't have any idea how to make that ahppen with a computer
08:50 <Lucifer> er, what I mean is, if it were working before, and it doesn't work now, I don't have any idea what could have happened  to cause that
08:51 <Lucifer> unless it's really a software problem
08:51 <Lucifer> do you have like an mp3 player or something you can plug the speakers into to see if they sound good using a different source than your computer?
08:51 <luke-jr> not really
08:51 <Lucifer> hmmm, if it's a software problem, you don't want to buy new speakers and see them suffer too
08:52 <luke-jr> I'm not sure if it's just started happening, or if I just started getting pissed at it
08:52 <Lucifer> ok, what I want is a script that reads packets.def and outputs serialize/unserialize functions and structs
08:53 <Lucifer> heh
08:53 <Lucifer> get into a local freecycling group and get some different speakers :)
08:53 <Lucifer> you're in/near a good sized city now, right?
08:54 <luke-jr> yeah
08:54 <Lucifer> http://www.freecycle.org  <--- to see if there's such a group near you.  It's free stuff!
08:56 <luke-jr> speakers builtin to monitor sounding like crap too
08:57 <luke-jr> sigh
08:59 <Lucifer> as long as they wake you up....
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09:14 <hang3r> luke-jr: boot off of a livecd like ubuntu or knoppix and see if it sounds normal, that way you can rule out a software issue
10:29 <hang3r> http://digg.com/people/Should_I_Pop_It
10:29 <hang3r> funniest thing on digg in quite some time
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10:58 <P4> Laddies and Gentlemen… Happy Better New Year 2009.
10:59 <MrBougo> laddies?
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16:00 <Lucifer> anybody up for some python scripting?  :)
16:00 <Lucifer> I want a script that takes freeciv's packets.def file and outputs struct definitions, and serialize/unserialize functions for each type
16:00 <Lucifer> in a way that doesn't depend on any freeciv headers, or any headers within my own project
16:05 <BabyBug> O.o
16:06 <Lucifer> BabyBug: that sounds like exactly the kind of thing you'd like to do!
16:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer...Python Scripting: \o/ .... I didn't understand a word after that =P
16:09 <Lizmatic> oh god.. NERD TALK! NERD TALK!
16:10  * BabyBug distracts Lizmatic with more pixx
16:11 <Lizmatic> :Ojisdgklmg?11!1
16:11  * Lizmatic is distracted
16:12 <BabyBug> ;)
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17:52 <BabyBug> #tea
17:52 <@armabot> BabyBug: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
17:52 <BabyBug> wrtlprnft fails
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17:55 <ct|kyle> .tea
17:55 <tronner> ct|kyle: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>: (2 more messages)
17:55 <smoothice> ct|kyle: It's broken?
17:55 <ct|kyle> .si fortess caf
17:55 <tronner> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “fortess caf” at the moment, sorry.
17:56 <ct|kyle> .help tea
17:56 <tronner> ct|kyle: (tea <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "serv @1 Fortress Café".
17:56 <ct|kyle> .si Fortress Café
17:56 <tronner> ct|kyle: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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18:01 <K-Yo> #si café
18:01 <@armabot> K-Yo: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
18:01 <K-Yo> .si café
18:02 <tronner> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
18:02 <smoothice> .si CTF
18:02 <tronner> smoothice: Wild West  =CTF Shooting=  ~Multi~Mode~: Players (1/10): hwy
18:02 <smoothice> .si CTF Shooting
18:02 <tronner> smoothice: Wild West  =CTF Shooting=  ~Multi~Mode~: Players (1/10): hwy
18:06 <ivantis2> .si space-lab
18:06 <tronner> ivantis2: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
18:07 <smoothice> .si Racing II
18:07 <tronner> smoothice: {Delicious Desserts} Racing II: Players (8/14): -»|Xyrøn, ARabidSquirrel, Bloody_Soska, datswutshesid, missiööö, SmOoThice~NW, Taranis (Taranis@forums), _Plant_
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18:09 <ivantis2> missiööö? interesting name
18:10 <ivantis2> aaa! no more bots
18:10 <ivantis2> make it leave!
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18:20 <guru3> mysql> delete from wp_comments where comment_content like '%viagra%';
18:20 <guru3> Query OK, 1550 rows affected (10.81 sec)
18:20 <guru3> go figure
18:23 <smoothice> lol
18:23 <guru3> that's out of... 29000 comments :/
18:23 <smoothice> haha
18:24 <smoothice> 3%
18:24 <smoothice> about
18:24 <guru3> teach me to let a blog go so long :/
18:24 <smoothice> &smoothservers
18:24 <smoothbot> smoothice: Dog Fight: Online --- Sumo: Online --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
18:27 <K-Yo> haha guru3
18:29 <guru3> so far i've found one valid comment
18:29 <K-Yo> one?
18:29 <K-Yo> in your 29000 ?
18:29 <K-Yo> whoa
18:29 <guru3> yeah
18:31 <K-Yo> isn't there some stuff to prevent spam? askimet or smthing like that, no?
18:32 <guru3> yeah
18:32 <guru3> i never got around to installing it though
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18:36 <Lizmatic> K-Ho
18:37 <BabyBug> HEY!! That's mine!!
18:38 <Lizmatic> Oh yeah, it's so clever
18:38 <Lizmatic> xD
18:39 <BabyBug> bitch
18:39 <BabyBug> :P
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18:50 <smoothice> .si Enhanced DF
18:50 <tronner> smoothice: smooth's network - enhanced DF [Loose]: Players (2/12): M&C, SmOoThice~NW
19:00 <smoothice> .si smooth sumo
19:00 <tronner> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “smooth sumo” at the moment, sorry.
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19:46 <Corn> good afternoon
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19:50 <PinkTomato> hello Corn :)
19:50 <Corn> #message DDJM Hey durka can you email me my password on the clan website to the email thats registered there? I tried the "I forgot my password" and while it told me it sent me my password i never recieved it.
19:51 <Corn> Hello pink
19:51 <P4> #wtf is message
19:52 <P4> .wtf is wtf
19:52 <tronner> P4: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
19:52 <P4> .part
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19:53 <Corn> P4 is that your bot? or someone elses.
19:53 <P4> mine
19:53 <P4> hosted in poland ;)
19:53 <Corn> k
19:53 <Corn> python?
19:53 <P4> yes, it's supybot like most of bots here
19:54 <Corn> #notes
19:54 <@armabot> Corn: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, MaZuffeR, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], and aa_voodoo.
19:55 <Corn> #message Durka Hey durka can you email me my password on the clan website to the email thats registered there? I tried the "I forgot my password" and while it told me it sent me my password i never recieved it.
19:55 <Corn> damn durka and his multiple names
19:56 <MrBougo> Corn, hotmail.com?
19:56 <MrBougo> look in the junk mail :/
19:56 <Corn> aim
19:56 <Corn> it may be a problem with aim but without account access i cant change my email on the forums
19:56 <Corn> :/
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19:57 <Corn> i will change it in the future though, yahoo seems more reliable from personal experience
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20:21 <wrtlprnft> #tea
20:21 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): apparition (apparition@forums), Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTT_speed, cT¤K-Yo, gnek, joke, TrT~CRaZy B3eR, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders, ¦×¦ viper
20:21 <wrtlprnft> so it stopped crashing?
20:22 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, for the moment, yes
20:22 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, I'll tell you if I see a crash
20:28 <MrBougo> does yahoo also put ads at the bottom of every mail you send?
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20:29 <smoothice> Corn: smoothbot works while tronner is gone
20:48 <P4> tronner is gone when armabot is up
20:50 <akira_arma> .tea
20:50 <akira_arma> #tea
20:50 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): 1200, apparition (apparition@forums), Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTT_speed, CtxWoned (owned@forums), cT¤K-Yo, Goliath, juice keeper, TrT~CRaZy B3eR, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders, ~|DS|~G5, ~|TS| LáB|3³, ¦×¦ viper
20:51 <akira_arma> O.o
20:53 <K-Yo> .tea
20:53 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, just crashed...
20:53 <K-Yo> #tea
20:53 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): 1200, akira, apparition (apparition@forums), Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTT_speed, CtxWoned (owned@forums), cT¤K-Yo, Goliath, juice keeper, TrT~CRaZy B3eR, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders, ~|DS|~G5, ~|TS| LáB|3³, ¦×¦ viper
20:53 <K-Yo> #tea
20:53 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): 1200, akira, apparition (apparition@forums), Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTT_speed, CtxWoned (owned@forums), cT¤K-Yo, Goliath, juice keeper, TrT~CRaZy B3eR, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders, ~|DS|~G5, ~|TS| LáB|3³, ¦×¦ viper
20:53 <K-Yo> .tea
20:53 <K-Yo> #tea
20:53 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): 1200, akira, apparition (apparition@forums), Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTT_speed, CtxWoned (owned@forums), cT¤K-Yo, Goliath, juice keeper, TrT~CRaZy B3eR, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders, ~|DS|~G5, ~|TS| LáB|3³, ¦×¦ viper
20:54 <K-Yo> #tea
20:54 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): 1200, akira, CTT_speed, CtxWoned, cT¤K-Yo, Llewellyen, Player 1 (Desolate@forums), TrT~CRaZy B3eR, ~|DS|~ Judders
20:55 <smoothice> Anyone here have a VPS/
20:59 <smoothice> P4: tronner is gone while armabot is up?
21:08 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, second crash
21:08 <K-Yo> smoothice, I kinda got one
21:08 <akira_arma> whats the prob with cafe?
21:10 <K-Yo> akira_arma, dunno
21:10 <K-Yo> tand wrtl doesn't either
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21:11 <bammes> hi
21:13 <K-Yo> hi bammes
21:14 <bammes> what is wrong if .configure fails with this fatal error?
21:14 <bammes> configure: error: Fatal error: the libxml2 configuration script xml2-config does not work/exist.
21:14 <K-Yo> u got libxml2 installed?
21:15 <bammes> i did
21:15 <K-Yo> hmmm
21:15 <K-Yo> then you'll have to wait for someone with more skills the me...
21:16 <bammes> apt-get install libxml2-dev fixed it o0
21:16 <bammes> did not know, that it required the dev-files
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21:20 <TaZ_> happy new year
21:20 <bammes> u2
21:20 <TaZ_> hey bammes?
21:21 <bammes> hey TaZ_ ?
21:22 <TaZ_> bammes: oO
21:23 <bammes> :D
21:23 <TaZ_> Are you greenmonster?
21:23 <bammes> no
21:23 <bammes> i am bammes
21:23 <TaZ_> ok
21:23 <bammes> K-Yo: thanks for help
21:23 <TaZ_> you know homor?
21:23 <bammes> no
21:23 <TaZ_> hamar*
21:23 <TaZ_> o
21:24 <TaZ_> Is luke-jr still alive?
21:24 <K-Yo> bammes, haha, np xD
21:25 <bammes> K-Yo: maybe someone can add this in your wiki as requirement?
21:27 <K-Yo> bammes, heh, where?
21:28 <K-Yo> bammes, actually, I almost never touch the wiki
21:29 <bammes> k
21:29 <bammes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Sty
21:29 <K-Yo> TaZ_, #last
21:29 <K-Yo> #last --from=luke-jr
21:29 <@armabot> K-Yo: [08:57:07] <luke-jr> sigh
21:29 <K-Yo> TaZ_, he is alive :)
21:29 <TaZ_> aww
21:29 <P4> #last --with pass
21:29 <@armabot> P4: [19:55:21] <Corn> #message Durka Hey durka can you email me my password on the clan website to the email thats registered there? I tried the "I forgot my password" and while it told me it sent me my password i never recieved it.
21:29 <P4> #last --with pass --nolimit
21:29 <TaZ_> I mean, that's great
21:29 <P4> :D
21:30 <@armabot> P4: [21:29:42] <P4> #last --with pass, [19:55:21] <Corn> #message Durka Hey durka can you email me my password on the clan website to the email thats registered there? I tried the "I forgot my password" and while it told me it sent me my password i never recieved it., [19:50:22] <Corn> #message DDJM Hey durka can you email me my password on the clan website to the email thats registered there? I (3 more messages)
21:30 <K-Yo> bammes, this is sty, libxml2 is required for arma aswell
21:30 <K-Yo> I dunno if there's a place for how to compile under linux
21:30 <K-Yo> bammes, but ed made the list on the forums, let me find it
21:35 <smoothice> K-Yo: Who hosts it?
21:36 <K-Yo> smoothice, sol, or PTA, depends, I have access to several
21:36 <smoothice> K-Yo: can we talk in #smoothice ?
21:37 <smoothice> I've been polling people on their VPS hosts and what they like bout them
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21:56 <smoothice> #later tell wrtlprnft... K-Yo referred me to you to inquire about the VPS hosting company you use... hope you can explain that to me... Thanks.
21:56 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
21:57 <smoothice> #help later
21:57 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: There is no command "later".
21:57 <K-Yo> #help later tell
21:57 <@armabot> K-Yo: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
21:57 <smoothice> #list
21:57 <@armabot> smoothice: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
21:57 <K-Yo> smoothice, it won't work, you typed "wrtlprnft..." you should type "wrtlprnft ..."
21:58 <K-Yo> #list later
21:58 <@armabot> K-Yo: notes and tell
21:58 <K-Yo> #help later notes
21:58 <@armabot> K-Yo: (later notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them.
21:58 <smoothice> >.<
21:58 <smoothice> lol
21:58 <smoothice> ok
21:58 <K-Yo> #later notes wrtlprnft
21:58 <@armabot> K-Yo: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
21:58 <K-Yo> #later notes wrtlprnft...
21:58 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 1 minute ago: <smoothice> K-Yo referred me to you to inquire about the VPS hosting company you use... hope you can explain that to me... Thanks.
21:58 <smoothice> #later tell wrtlprnft K-Yo referred me to you to inquire about the VPS hosting company you use... hope you can explain that to me... Thanks.
21:58 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
21:58 <K-Yo> smoothice, ^^
21:58 <smoothice> #later notes wrtlprnft
21:58 <@armabot> smoothice: Sent just now: <smoothice> K-Yo referred me to you to inquire about the VPS hosting company you use... hope you can explain that to me... Thanks.
21:59 <smoothice> ok
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22:03 <K-Yo> #later notes
22:03 <@armabot> K-Yo: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, MaZuffeR, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft..., wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], (1 more message)
22:03 <smoothice> wrtlpwnft
22:03 <smoothice> lol
22:03 <K-Yo> #more
22:03 <@armabot> K-Yo: and aa_voodoo.
22:03 <K-Yo> #later notes $randomnick
22:03 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, and 56 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 4 days, 23 (1 more message)
22:04 <K-Yo> #more
22:04 <@armabot> K-Yo: hours, and 59 minutes ago: <Sakireth> eat crap, and Sent 1 year, 36 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <MrBougo> Hello, I am epsy !
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22:04 <K-Yo> hahaha
22:04 <K-Yo> #later tell $randomnick well, the spam is enjoyable!
22:04 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
22:04 <K-Yo> #later notes someone
22:04 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam, and Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 52 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam
22:11  * wrtlprnft hopes this is not a bug in
22:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man will be glad to know we have to release
22:11 <wrtlprnft> *would
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22:52 <smoothice> epsy: wb!
22:52 <epsy> thanks
23:03 <MrBougo> #later notes $mrbougo
23:03 <@armabot> MrBougo: Sent 1 year, 27 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <Ishkabible> sup mate wanna m8
23:03 <MrBougo> wuuut
23:03 <MrBougo> #later notes *mougo*
23:03 <@armabot> MrBougo: Sent 1 year, 15 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> more like 100 minutes of idleness
23:03 <MrBougo> #later notes nickserv
23:03 <@armabot> MrBougo: Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, and 58 minutes ago: <Sakireth> drop, Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, and 56 minutes ago: <Sakireth> register memoriesunknown, Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, and 56 minutes ago: <Sakireth> help, and Sent 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, and 55 minutes ago: <Sakireth> /quit
23:03 <smoothice> #seen dlh
23:03 <@armabot> smoothice: dlh was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <dlh> You need to be a member of Apple's developer connection (it is free). https://connect.apple.com
23:03 <MrBougo> hahaha
23:03 <smoothice> ??
23:04 <MrBougo> do you think sakireth's password is that?
23:04 <MrBougo> hasnt logged in since 2006
23:04 <MrBougo> someone wanna try? :p
23:05 <MrBougo> #later notes how
23:05 <MrBougo> #later notes I
23:05 <@armabot> MrBougo: Sent 1 year, 37 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, and 40 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> am i supposed to help you if you aren't there? ;)
23:05 <@armabot> MrBougo: Sent 1 year, 43 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> thought we were going to start redoing it monday but we started early and Sent 1 year, 25 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <Monkey_arma> am now going to inform you about what is going on with our team(s) etc for afl. Ok, we have zmans server i see that. I am looking into getting cafe (wrtl will allow rain or (1 more message)
23:05 <MrBougo> #more
23:05 <@armabot> MrBougo: ed to admin so i will speak to them asap) and also i have admin for CT train so maybe we can use them instead of zmans, if zmans gets too popular.
23:05 <MrBougo> fail messages
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Log from 2009-01-02:
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00:12 <PinkTomato> #later tell wrtlprnft The latest 0.2.8 has been fixed, server crashing was due to a vote poll bug :).
00:12 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
00:12 <PinkTomato> Thanks armabot ;)
00:13 <epsy> #whoami
00:13 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
00:13 <epsy> hrm
00:13 <PinkTomato> what about me armabot?
00:13 <epsy> #notes wrtlprnft
00:13 <PinkTomato> #whoami
00:13 <@armabot> epsy: Sent 1 minute ago: <PinkTomato> The latest 0.2.8 has been fixed, server crashing was due to a vote poll bug :).
00:13 <@armabot> PinkTomato: I don't recognize you.
00:14 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft can you link n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy as hostmask to my account on armabot?
00:14 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
00:27 <teabot> tstnews: TST 2009.01 <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/tst-200901/> || DurkLord & SageKa win the TST 2008.11 <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/durklord-sageka-win-the-tst-200811/> || Final challenge board is up! <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/final-challenge-board-is-up/> || Final rules and settings <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/final-rules-and-settings/> || Registration is open! <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/registration-is-open/> || Seco
00:28 <epsy> and yeah, there's TST 2009.01 soon
00:28 <epsy> stupid bot
00:33 <PinkTomato> woo! :D
00:34 <PinkTomato> Can I be team 30?
00:34 <PinkTomato> they have already won the tournament
00:34 <epsy> darn, that was announced since december 25th..none seen it :(
00:34 <epsy> heh
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02:06 <teabot> armablah: Open Source Software <http://mobile-trickz.blogspot.com/2008/11/open-source-software.html>
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02:42 <PinkTomato> .ubuntu
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02:51 <ct|kyle> #ubuntu
02:51 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
02:51 <ct|kyle> #help ubuntu
02:51 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (ubuntu <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config".
02:51 <ct|kyle> .alias add ubuntu echo sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
03:01 <ct|kyle> #tea
03:01 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
03:02 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft you should have armabot use /remove instead of /kick(prevents autorejoining). To do so, replace all occurences of KICK(with caps) from ircmsgs.py with REMOVE :)
03:02 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
03:02 <PinkTomato> wrtlprnft has lots of messages today..
03:02 <ct|kyle> ya
03:03 <epsy> not only today
03:03 <PinkTomato> true ;)
03:03 <ct|kyle> btw he logs is does not need #later tell to tell him
03:03 <epsy> well, better have both, huh? :)
03:03 <ct|kyle> at lest that is what he told me a while back
03:04 <epsy> right, time for trolling on buildtagging
03:04 <ct|kyle> why TST end of this month
03:04 <ct|kyle> when ladle is always first sunday
03:05 <epsy> was planned since november already
03:05 <epsy> announced on xmas
03:05 <ct|kyle> it was? where?
03:05 <epsy> http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/durklord-sageka-win-the-tst-200811/
03:05 <epsy> http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/tst-200901/
03:10 <ct|kyle> epsy: ok then i agree with you on 1 week later for ladle
03:10 <ct|kyle> i now remember seeing your anouncement
03:19 <epsy> Lucifer, ping
03:21 <epsy> erm, crap
03:22 <epsy> polish.txt is wrongly encoded..it has ^Ms everywhere
03:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: I think the orginal encoding is Windows-1250
03:27 <epsy> yeah, but it is written as utf8..hm
03:28 <epsy> now I don't know if what I have is correct
03:29 <PinkTomato> those characters are invalid for arma though?
03:29 <epsy> I don't know, but they show up wrongly in vim
03:31 <epsy> I wonder what the diff will be like
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04:57 <smoothice> #si _=VcL.Sumo Server Dallas
04:57 <@armabot> smoothice: -=VcL.Sumo Server Dallas: Players (0/10):
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05:17 <ivantis2> armabot? op? #armagetron?
05:17 <ivantis2> daaahh...................................
05:17 <ivantis2> #r
05:17 <@armabot> ivantis2: (roulette [spin] ) -- Fires the revolver. If the (2 more messages)
05:18 <ivantis2> #more
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin (1 more message)
05:18 <ivantis2> #more
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: the chambers and I will.
05:18 <ivantis2> #r spin
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: (roulette [spin] ) -- Fires the revolver. If the (2 more messages)
05:18 <ivantis2> ??
05:18 <ivantis2> #help r
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "c (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.".
05:19 <ivantis2> #alias add r roulette
05:19 <@armabot> ivantis2: The operation succeeded.
05:19 <ivantis2> #r
05:19 -!- ivantis2 was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
05:19  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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05:19 <ivantis2> naice one
05:19 <ivantis2> #r
05:19 <@armabot> ivantis2: *click*
05:21 <smoothice> ivantis2: what the??
05:21 <smoothice> ivantis2: lol
05:26 <Lucifer> yay, star trek is finally downloaded :)
05:26 <ivantis2> star trek? *pointing at Lucifer* nerd
05:27 <Lucifer> holy shit, I've just been called a nerd by a 13-year old in IRC
05:27 <ivantis2> hey! i am 14
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05:28 <ivantis2> have you ever been to wichita kansas? this place is soooooooooo booooooooorring
05:28 <ivantis2> nothing better than irc
05:28 <ivantis2> so glad i go back home tomorrow
05:29 <ivantis2> if you will notice, i dont spend as much time online as i used to
05:29 <ivantis2> recently
05:29 <Lucifer> then why is there "ivantis", "ivantis2", and "ivantis3" in here?
05:29 <Lucifer> for every second I'm here, you're here for 3 seconds
05:30 <ivantis2> those are merely... uh... other people?
05:31 <ivantis2> yeah, they arent me. why, similar names, its not like smoothbot, smoothbot` and smoothice are the same people?
05:31 <Lucifer> heh, so it's like that, eh?
05:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
05:31 <ivantis2> ha, i see a mibbit ad: ThinkGeek - Gadgets, geek stuff, cool T-shirts! Get yours here.
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05:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
05:32 <Lucifer> smoothice: why do you have two bots here?
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05:32 <ivantis2> what happened to them?
05:32 <ivantis2> dude unban them
05:32 <ivantis2> they didnt do anything
05:32 <Lucifer> smoothice: ok, now why do you have three bots here?
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05:33 <Lucifer> ivantis2: an important part of growing up is learning not to give people commands
05:33 <smoothice_> lol
05:34 <ivantis2> okay, "maybe you should think about unbanning them (or whatever), i didnt see them do anything"
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05:34 <ivantis2> maybe
05:34 <ivantis> ivantis2, just fucking leave. you are really pissing me off
05:34 <Lucifer> I don't make decisions based on waht you see
05:35  * Lucifer will remove them both if they start arguing, since that's just pathetic
05:35 <ivantis2> dude, what did he just say to me?
05:35 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
05:35 <ivantis2> now i am pissed with you!
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05:35 <smoothice_> Lucifer
05:36 <smoothice_> Can you kick the rest of my instances?
05:36 <@Lucifer> smoothice_
05:36 <smoothice_> I had internet problems
05:36 <ivantis> ah good he left
05:36 <@Lucifer> haha
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05:36 <smoothice_> I'll get the names right in a bit
05:36 <smoothice_> thanks
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05:36 <smoothice_> k
05:36 <smoothice_> thanks
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05:36 <ivantis> dude wtf?
05:37 <@Lucifer> "dude wtf"?
05:37 <ivantis> "\"dude wtf\""?
05:37 <@Lucifer> how do you keep getting removed and you still come back?  want me ot use bigger bullets, or can you get the idea for awhile?
05:37 <ivantis> …
05:37 <ivantis> why should i be removed?
05:37 <@Lucifer> because half the time when someone pings me, it's to deal with you spamming or doing something in this channel
05:38 <@Lucifer> and that's all the explanation you're getting
05:38 <ivantis> really?
05:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@*.245.159.78] by Lucifer
05:38 -!- ivantis was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [Lucifer]
05:38 <@Lucifer> yes, really
05:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
05:39 <smoothice_> how do I change my nick/
05:39 <smoothice_> to "smoothice"
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05:54 <Lucifer>  /nick smoothice
05:57 <smoothice> ok
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06:02 <not_ivantis> *whistle* just minding my own business
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06:08 <smoothice> Lucifer: Why so harsh?
06:09 <@Lucifer> well, originally I wanted him to just go away with his three ivantises for awhile
06:09 <@Lucifer> he usually causes problems when other people are here, after all :)
06:09 <@Lucifer> but he didn't take the hint and just stay away for awhile, and that's Troublemaking with a capital T
06:10 <@Lucifer> I wish irc had the same kick/timeout to return feature that arma has
06:13 <luke-jr> Lucifer: can we get a string freeze on 0.2.8 plox?
06:14 <@Lucifer> ask z-man for that
06:14  * Lucifer is currently burning ST:TNG episode to disc
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06:33 <smoothice> Right....?
06:33 <smoothice> Europe-US comm break/
06:33 <smoothice> ?
06:33 <@Lucifer> looks like it
06:33 <smoothice> No notice yet...
06:33 <hang3r> wb to hell, since you were gone....
06:34 <hang3r> there have been a few changes
06:34 <hang3r> noteably, I am now lead developer of armagetron
06:34 <smoothice> ??
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06:34 <@Lucifer> he couldn't handle it and left
06:35 <hang3r> :)
06:36 <luke-jr> lol
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09:43 <@Lucifer> haha, started another 13GB download
09:53 <wrtlprnft> #later tell pinktomato thanks for the info, upgrade in progress
09:53 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:00 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy done… at least till the next supybot upgrade.
10:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:38 <guru3> i died :<
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10:46 <@Lucifer> yes, you did
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11:03 <hang3r> those sumo players have to be all on drugs
11:04 <hang3r> theres no way you can pull off the moves that they do with the precision that they have....
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11:36 <Lizmatic> yes, we are on drugs
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11:45 <@Lucifer> hang3r: your problem is that your drug is alcohol.
11:45 <@Lucifer> sober people can do what those sumo  people do :)
11:46 <@Lucifer> it's physically impossible for drugs to improve you, all they can do is trigger abilities you already have
11:46 <@Lucifer> and mess you up, of course
11:49 <Lizmatic> don't listen to Lucifer, BECOME A JUNKIE
11:50 <@Lucifer> don't listen to Lizmatic, she's just a kid
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12:06 <Lizmatic> tell that to my kid
12:06 <Lizmatic> xD
12:19 <@Lucifer> heh, there's a world of difference between being a biological adult and being a grownup
12:19 <@Lucifer> if you don't believe me, meet my ex-wife
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12:49 <hang3r> fuck it, I actually care very little, most of the people in my industry are piss heads, it's the lifestyle that my sector chooses, mainly stressfull and shitty...
12:50 <@Lucifer> I think TWG would be cool as a party game
12:50 <@Lucifer> like those murder mystery games, only do TWG instead
12:51 <@Lucifer> every half hour or so you have to vote  ;)
12:51 <hang3r> TWG?
12:51 <@Lucifer> yeah, twg
12:51 <hang3r> Never heard of it
13:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually that might be an idea
13:09 <@Lucifer> heh, I'm writing an email to my divorce support group to see if anybody's interested :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> but how do the wolves vote?
13:09 <@Lucifer> of course, that group is hard to get anything organized with because everybody's got kids and stuff
13:09 <@Lucifer> that's the only thing I'm having trouble working out
13:09 <@Lucifer> on the forums, there's built in ways to privately communicate with the GM
13:09 <wrtlprnft> if anyone else wants to take her?
13:09 <@Lucifer> but in a party....
13:09 <wrtlprnft> exactly
13:10 <@Lucifer> it might work out, especially if you make everyone a special
13:10 <@Lucifer> if everyone has a special power, then everyone has to give the GM a piece of paper saying what they do with it
13:11 <PinkTomato> PM exist in real life, called text messaging ;) < though makes the game a little cheesy.
13:11 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: requires everyone to have a cell phone
13:11 <@Lucifer> also, requires everyone who has to PM to find a private place to do so
13:11 <@Lucifer> of course, they'd have to already for special powers
13:12 <PinkTomato> well a small bit of paper and a pen is a low tech solution :)
13:16 <wrtlprnft> communication between wolves is still sort of limited
13:16 <wrtlprnft> regular players will spend far less time writing private messages to the gm
13:17 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: people might still see it, which is why the idea of having everybody have special powers of some sort would work
13:17 <@Lucifer> well, in my experience, in the game already people collect into smaller groups in various private places
13:17 <@Lucifer> they create alliances, communicate, etc.
13:18 <@Lucifer> that's the part that makes it an appealing party game to me, provided it's in a location that's big enough to accomodate that stuff
13:21 <hang3r> lucifer, whats a good sound mixer for linux? Basically what I want to to is mix multiple sounds and output it as a wav or ogg
13:21 <@Lucifer> I use ecasound for quick mixes, audacity for stuff that requires processing
13:22 <hang3r> ecasound sounds good, i only need something quick and simple
13:22 <@Lucifer> it's commandline :)
13:22 <@Lucifer> which is why it's so useful for quick mixes
13:22 <hang3r> awesome
13:23 <PinkTomato> how do you mix in a command line?
13:23 <@Lucifer> you use ecasound, heh
13:23 <PinkTomato> ah right, missed the processing bit :)
13:24 <PinkTomato> so its just to overlap audio over, or add afile after?
13:24 <@Lucifer> well, mixing is a very basic processing, but it's nto something that can be done with cat or something
13:24 <@Lucifer> oh no, ecasound is a full-featured effects processor/mastering program
13:24 <hang3r> thanks Lucifer ecasound does exactly what I want
13:24 <@Lucifer> it's commandline, though, which for me makes it hard to use for actually mastering a song
13:25 <@Lucifer> but some people use it that way, particularly the author, iirc
13:25 <PinkTomato> I suppose, its the audio you want anyway
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15:00 <epsy> #whoami
15:00 <armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
15:00 <epsy> :|
15:18 <PinkTomato> \whoami
15:18 <PinkTomato> #whoami
15:18 <armabot> PinkTomato: PinkTomato
15:33 <P4> #whois PinkTomato
15:33 <P4> :þ
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15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8722 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (9 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8691 to 8719:
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15:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Oops, fixed non-krawall compilation.
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15:54 <epsy> hello
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16:48 <BabyBug> \o
16:48 <@Lucifer> ,\o ?
16:49 <BabyBug> it's a person waving
16:49 <@Lucifer> oh, I thought you were showing us your underarm
16:49 <BabyBug> ...
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16:49 <@Lucifer> I guess we both had the same basic gesture in mind :)
16:49 <PinkTomato> welcome back Corn :)
16:49 <Corn> hey guys
16:49  * BabyBug slaps Lucifer 
16:49 <BabyBug> Hey Corn
16:49  * Lucifer slaps BabyBug
16:50 <Corn> slap fight!
16:50  * Lucifer slaps Corn
16:50  * BabyBug straps Lucifer to a bed, slaps him and runs off
16:50 <Corn> ow...
16:50 <Corn> man
16:50  * Lucifer burns the straps off with his awesome powers, then blasts BabyBug with a giant burning fish.
16:50  * Corn backslaps Lucifer
16:50 <Corn> I'll slap slap slap yopu
16:50 <Corn> you*
16:50  * BabyBug throws Lucifer into the mouth of God
16:51  * PinkTomato slaps but misses
16:51  * Lucifer rips Corn's balls off, puts them in his slingshot, and fires them at BabyBug
16:51  * BabyBug replaces Lucifers eyes with his balls, and his balls with his eyes!!
16:51 <Corn> I've got balls of steel!
16:51 <@Lucifer> oh, well, ok then
16:52  * Lucifer rips Corn's balls off, puts them in his muzzle-loading musket, and fires them at BabyBug
16:52 <BabyBug> ><
16:52 <Corn> I think thats the only time anyone has included both ripping balls off and a musket in a sentence
16:53 <BabyBug> What's a musket?
16:53 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: it's a firearm
16:53 <Corn> Its what lucifer calls his...
16:53 <@Lucifer> hey, I finally tested some of my black powder
16:54 <BabyBug> black powder?
16:54 <Corn> If by black powder you mean...
16:54 <@Lucifer> black powder
16:54 <@Lucifer> you know, charcoal, KNO3, and sulfur
16:54 <@Lucifer> put some on your dick and light a match
16:54 <Corn> arousing
16:55 <BabyBug> Lucifer, are you into hardcore bondage?
16:55 <@Lucifer> I melted one of my rockets, instead of blowing out the nosecone
16:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: no, I just like saying things that make people wince
16:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: why, are you?
16:55 <BabyBug> Nice cover story
16:55 <BabyBug> and No =P
16:56 <BabyBug> softcore aye but nay hardcore
16:57 <Corn> Is it just me or do altoids taste extremely similar to tic-tacs
16:57 <@Lucifer> so spanking, but not nipple binding?
16:59 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yup
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17:00 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: so, a little boob-squeezing, but no whips?
17:00 <Corn> A little look but no touch
17:00 <@Lucifer> how about fisting?
17:01 <BabyBug> a little "boob-squeezing" doesn't even count as softcore bondage =P
17:01 <Corn> how about pop rockets?
17:01 <@Lucifer> it is when I'm squeezing :)
17:01 <BabyBug> fisting is fine
17:01 <PinkTomato> pop rockets?
17:01 <BabyBug> LOL Lucifer
17:03 <Corn> how about rape?
17:03 <@Lucifer> nobody wants to be raped....
17:03 <BabyBug> Corn, That's called rape, not bondage.
17:03 <@Lucifer> how about force fantasies?
17:03 <BabyBug> And if someone wants to be raped...it's not raped
17:04 <BabyBug> force fantasies are ok
17:04 <Corn> wtf is the difference between forcing sex and rape
17:04 <@Lucifer> safe words :)
17:04 <@Lucifer> special words that mean "stop right now"
17:04 <Corn> penguin
17:04  * Lucifer continues to force Corn.  "You didn't say the right word!"
17:05 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what ever happened to keeping this channel clean? Shame on you!
17:05 <@Lucifer> heh, didn't I mention I was sick?
17:05 <BabyBug> ahhhh =(
17:05 <PinkTomato> get well soon :)
17:06 <BabyBug> Oh you did mention! I was lurking at the time
17:06  * BabyBug remembers now
17:06  * Lucifer sneezes
17:06 <BabyBug> ewwwww look away from me when you do that
17:07 <@Lucifer> ooo, I wonder if there's a porn site that specializes in sneezing on naked chicks
17:07  * BabyBug face palms
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17:08 <@Lucifer> hey, this lets me give an xkcd link, soon as I find it
17:09  * BabyBug really can't grasp the fascination with xkcd
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17:12 <@Lucifer> http://www.xkcd.com/305/
17:12 <@Lucifer> I wasn't an xkcd fan until I met a hot chick who was an xkcd fan
17:12 <@Lucifer> now I don't know the chick, but I know the comic
17:12 <@Lucifer> (well, knew it already, but you know....)
17:13 <BabyBug> I just don't find that funny in the slightest..
17:14 <@Lucifer> that one isn't, I just linked it because it's what I was thinking when I made the sneeze comment
17:14 <BabyBug> heh
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17:14 <BabyBug> www.snotshag.com \o/
17:15 <PinkTomato> is that a real link?
17:15 <BabyBug> no idea
17:15 <BabyBug> try clicking it
17:15 <BabyBug> lol
17:15 <PinkTomato> Ah its not, (but I did turn images off first ;))
17:16 <@Lucifer> like I'm really going to click a link some crazy lady in irc gave me
17:16 <@Lucifer> ooo, I should hurry up and register it
17:16 <BabyBug> crazy lady?!?!
17:16 <PinkTomato> Does the internet really need  a website involving naked women sneezed upon?
17:17 <Corn> rule 34 on crazy lady in irc
17:17 <BabyBug> I'm not the crazy one!
17:17 <Corn> You're right.
17:17 <BabyBug> \o/
17:22 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: there's more than one crazy person here...
17:23 <BabyBug> But only one crazy lady
17:23 <BabyBug> Which isn't me Lucifer!
17:23 <BabyBug> Or at least tell me why! =P
17:23 <@Lucifer> eh?  You never heard of catch-22?
17:23 <BabyBug> yeh....don't get it
17:24 <@Lucifer> if you say you're crazy, you're obviously not, so you have to fly more missions
17:24 <@Lucifer> but if you say you're not crazy, you must be telling the truth, so you have to fly more missions
17:24 <@Lucifer> (it's a book about bomber pilots in WW2)
17:24  * BabyBug is not a bomber pilot
17:25 <@Lucifer> all women are bomber pilots
17:25 <@Lucifer> considering how they like to drop bomb shells all around them ;)
17:26  * Lucifer is in the "over-generalize about women based on his psycho ex-wife" stage of divorce recovery right now
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17:30 <BabyBug> haha
17:31 <BabyBug> At least our bombs don't have a short fuse ;)
17:31 <@Lucifer> maybe not, but they have a much bigger payload
17:32 <BabyBug> That's only IF the guy can actually get the bomb to go off =P
17:34 <@Lucifer> ah, you're back in the dirty channel, I see
17:34 <@Lucifer> and here I thought we'd moved on from that...
17:34 <BabyBug> i wasn't aware i left? =P
17:34 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/457/
17:35 <@Lucifer> heh, I liked that one when it was first out, but I showed it to my then-wife
17:35 <@Lucifer> she was really mad at me for looking at it, I still don't understand why
17:35 <@Lucifer> maybe BabyBug (hi there!) can explain it?
17:36 <BabyBug> lol newp i found that quite funny actually lol
17:36 <@Lucifer> heh, when I was a teenager, I could unhook one of those with one hand
17:37 <@Lucifer> somewhere along the ways, I lost the talent
17:38 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/105/
17:39 <BabyBug> i don't get it
17:40 <BabyBug> and as long as you can still undo em you're safe! One guy couldn't even realise my bra unclipped at the front and not the back ><
17:40 <BabyBug> he may of been drunk but that's still no excuse!
17:40 <@Lucifer> how long was he working at it, and did he get to see it?
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17:41 <@Lucifer> I had a similar problem with my ex, back before we were married, but I was working it under the shirt
17:41 <@Lucifer> of course, she only let me have about 20 seconds on the problem before telling me I was stupid for not realizing it unhooked in the front
17:41 <BabyBug> 20 seconds should be plenty ><
17:41 <BabyBug> lmao
17:41 <@Lucifer> so I'd have to know more about the situation before agreeing with you he was dumb...
17:41 <@Lucifer> 20 seconds with the shirt off, I'll grant you shoudl be plenty of time
17:42 <BabyBug> Well it was under the shirt but still he had aggessss
17:42 <@Lucifer> but under the shirt....
17:42 <@Lucifer> I guess it depends on what sort of action happened earlier, because if you're saying 20 seconds from the moment the hand first goes under the shirt, I disagree
17:42 <@Lucifer> but if the hand had already been under the shirt for a time, then he should've discovered it already :)
17:43 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/427/
17:43 <Corn> that one aint bad
17:43 <@Lucifer> but that's ok, because I haven't yet seen a woman who could undo my pants
17:43 <BabyBug> he must of had a minute surely....
17:43 <BabyBug> It was long enough for me to get bored and he never got any that night..
17:43 <BabyBug> shit kisser anyway
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17:46 <PinkTomato> http://xkcd.com/327/ I always liked the little bobby tables one :)
17:48 <Corn> i dont know shit about programming so that one doesnt make sense
17:48 <@Lucifer> I loved the bobby tables one, heh
17:48 <smoothice> oooh
17:49 <smoothice> lol
17:50 <PinkTomato> Corn: its not programming as such ;)
17:50 <Corn> i still dont get it..
17:50 <BabyBug> SQL injection \o/
17:51 <PinkTomato> i should learn how to test that
17:51 <BabyBug> lol
17:51 <PinkTomato> is there a website showing common php mistakes?
17:51 <BabyBug> Here's a common php mistake: Using PHP instead of Python
17:51 <PinkTomato> hehe, but then I would have to learn python!
17:52 <PinkTomato> php is slow admittably
17:52 <BabyBug> If i learned it anyone can learn it!
17:52 <PinkTomato> i'll look into it, quite a few people have commented on it
17:53 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/353/
17:53 <BabyBug> ^^
17:54 <@Lucifer> honestly, I didn't see the conversation when I pasted that link
17:54 <BabyBug> haha
17:54 <@Lucifer> <3 python
17:54 <BabyBug> <3 python
17:54 <Corn> </3 python
17:54 <BabyBug> Corn, you fail
17:54 -!- Corn was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [why don't you love python?]
17:54 <BabyBug> abuse!
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17:54 <Corn> Shot to the heart
17:55 <@Lucifer> as I lay there alone in the dark
17:55  * BabyBug knows python (sort of) but has no idea what to do with it \o/
17:55 <PinkTomato> Does that mean python has no squiggly brackets?
17:55 <BabyBug> Yup PinkTomato
17:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: write a script for me :)
17:55 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, whitespace replaces curly brackets
17:55 <@Lucifer> no squiggly brackets, you have to actually indent your code
17:55 <PinkTomato> ah so you have to be a neat programmer
17:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what script?
17:56 <@Lucifer> basically, if it's a lazy practice you know you shouldn't be doing, python calls it a syntax error
17:56 <Corn> curse you syntax
17:56 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I need a script that parses a file in freeciv and outputs C code :)
17:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't know any C code =P
17:56 <@Lucifer> I'll write the C code, but I don't want to write the python script ;)
17:56 <BabyBug> Uhhh
17:56 <BabyBug> I'm confused by what you mean =P
17:56 <@Lucifer> I know, that's sorta backwards, isn't it?
17:57 <@Lucifer> the file is a text file the describes network packets, and I want the script to read it and write a file that contains functions to serialize/unserialize the packets to/from structs to/from the network
17:58 <BabyBug> still confused xD
17:58 <@Lucifer> hmmmm
17:58 <@Lucifer> have you ever worked with a static typed language at all?
17:58 <BabyBug> upload the file for me to see!
17:58 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/418/
17:58 <BabyBug> No never...I only learned python cause i was bored
17:59 <Corn> I think i'll learn python once i switch over to ubuntu
17:59 <BabyBug> (What's a static typed language?)
17:59 <epsy> erm, bison anyone?
18:00 <epsy> @g bison
18:00 <teabot> epsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison - American Bison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
18:00 <@Lucifer> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/freeciv/trunk/common/packets.def?rev=15388&view=markup
18:00 <epsy> @g gnu bison
18:00 <teabot> epsy: http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/ - Bison - GNU parser generator
18:00 <@Lucifer> well, python is dynamic typed, meaning you can create a variable of any type at any time
18:01 <@Lucifer> static typed means you ahve to define your variables before you use them
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18:01 <BabyBug> i see
18:01 <@Lucifer> a compiler needs to know this information when it compiles your sources to binary
18:01 <@Lucifer> so if it's an integer, you have to say it's an integer before you can use it, and if you try to assign any value that's not an integer, you get a compiler error
18:01 <@Lucifer> but in python (and other dynamic type languages), you can do this:
18:01 <@Lucifer> a = 0.0
18:01 <@Lucifer> a = "hi there"
18:02 <PinkTomato> oh like java?
18:02 <@Lucifer> those two lines would cause an error in a static typed language
18:02 <Corn> 0.0 looks like a smiley face
18:02 <BabyBug> Well i understand that...However..what you want is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my depth xD
18:02 <@Lucifer> heh, oh hell
18:02 <@Lucifer> have you worked with the python struct module?
18:02 <epsy> still, it's a bad practise to assign data of different types to the same name
18:02 <BabyBug> Lucifer, nope
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18:03 <Corn> Wait, lucifer would putting the a = "hi there" first still cause an error
18:03 <Corn> because you already defined a
18:03 <epsy> as a float
18:03 <@Lucifer> Corn: it depends on what you defined a as
18:03 <@Lucifer> if you had float a;, then yes
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18:03 <@Lucifer> but if you had char* a; then no
18:03 <Corn> interesting..
18:04 <@Lucifer> but if you had int a, then both lines would cause an error :)
18:04 <Corn> mhmmm mhmmm
18:04 <PinkTomato> but char*a would not be a valid number to do a + b though?
18:04 <epsy> or only the first one, if you use armabot  crappy compiler
18:04 <epsy> what?
18:04 <epsy> an *
18:04 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: basically, a given variable type takes up a certain amount of space
18:05 <@Lucifer> when you send iit over the network, it has to be put back together a certain way, depending on if your machine is little endian or big endian
18:05 <@Lucifer> but in a real program, a variable that's worth sending over the network is usually more complex than a single type, it's a struct, or a class
18:05 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/207/ i totally do the last one and the 2nd one
18:05 <@Lucifer> so you have to have a particular format for the packet you're sending
18:06 <@Lucifer> you'd use python's struct module to create the packet if you're working solely in python
18:06 <@Lucifer> but I"m working in C++, I want the python script to write a bunch of code so I don't have to write it by hand
18:06 <PinkTomato> Corn: your not alone with the last one ;)
18:06 <BabyBug> oooooo
18:07 <Corn> What code is armagetron writen in?
18:07 <@Lucifer> C++
18:07 <BabyBug> armagetron should be recoded in python!
18:07 <epsy> C++, bash, python, bison, ruby..is that it? :P
18:07 <Corn> k i should probably learn that eventually
18:08 <@Lucifer> epsy: m4
18:08 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: i'ld like to see that :D
18:08 <Corn> Whats with the animal names? originality ftw
18:08 <epsy> oh yeah, let's not forget the autohell
18:08 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, no reason why it can't!
18:08 <@Lucifer> and anything luke-jr has touched is mostly C ;)
18:08 <epsy> haha
18:08 <@Lucifer> xml, but that's not a programming language
18:09 <@Lucifer> (technically neither is m4)
18:09 <BabyBug> Is python actually a programming language?
18:09 <Corn> how about theoretically
18:09 <@Lucifer> yes, python's actually a programming language
18:09  * BabyBug thought it was a scripting language
18:09 <epsy> I'd say scripting, but that's about the same thing
18:09 <BabyBug> ophs
18:09 <@Lucifer> Corn: autoconf is a bastard of m4 and shell scripting
18:10 <@Lucifer> scripting is programming, it just doesn't use a compiler ;)
18:10 <Corn> i have no idea what any of those are except shell
18:10 <epsy> BabyBug, i'd just separate "descripting something" and "giving orders"
18:10 <@Lucifer> m4 is just a macro language
18:10 <@Lucifer> you've used the ./configure script before, right?
18:10 <Corn> me?
18:10 <@Lucifer> er, maybe you're a windows bloke and you've never done ./configure && make && make install
18:11 <@Lucifer> yeah, you, COrn
18:11 <BabyBug> why type make if you're gonna type make install right after? :s
18:11 <Corn> yeah windows... im switch soon though
18:11 <@Lucifer> ah
18:11 <Corn> its too limiting i need to let my free spirit out man
18:11 <epsy> BabyBug, minimizing what's run using superuser mode
18:11 <@Lucifer> over here in linux land, source tarballs come with a script called "configure" which checks the build environment for stuff and sets other things up so the app can be built
18:11 <@Lucifer> it makes it possible to release source packages :)
18:11 <PinkTomato> I thought the make compiles, and the make install, stuffs it where the ./configure says it to go?
18:12 <@Lucifer> recall that Unix was originally distributed as source
18:12 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: configure does a lot of things
18:12 <@Lucifer> checks to see if all the libraries are there to build, checks to make sure it can build, configures the build itself, lots of stuff
18:12 <epsy> mainly, it builds the actual Makefiles
18:12 <epsy> (at least in armagetron)
18:12 <@Lucifer> configure isn't handwritten, it's generated from a file
18:12 <epsy> whichever is better..
18:13 <@Lucifer> epsy: configure always builds the makefiles, but I seem to remember it using a perl script to do it :)
18:13 <PinkTomato> oh yeah, usually have to ./configure about 15 times to grab all the dependinces
18:13 <Corn> How long does python take to learn
18:13 <epsy> Lucifer, not in case one does not use make :)
18:13 <@Lucifer> yeah, well, configure is generated from a file
18:13 <@Lucifer> the program autoconf generates it, from configure.ac
18:13  * BabyBug is randomly hoping if this gets repeated lots, it'll eventually get fixed by someone quicker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/246159
18:13 <teabot> Launchpad bug 246159 in armagetronad "Server browser rendering errors followed by segmentation fault." [High,Confirmed]
18:13 <@Lucifer> configure.ac is a shell script with a bunch of macros in m4 language
18:13 <epsy> BabyBug, merge utf8 to trunk
18:13 <PinkTomato> Corn: depends on whether you know a programming language, I would say
18:14 <@Lucifer> so to write configure.ac, you need to know a little m4, and a little shell scripting, and a lot of autoconf-specific macros
18:14 <BabyBug> epsy, How would one do that? And am i going to get a huge amount of conflicts? =P
18:14 <epsy> yes, you are
18:14 <BabyBug> I doubt i'm capable of doing that then =(
18:15 <PinkTomato> where is the UTF-8 branch?
18:15 <@Lucifer> is the utf8 branch finished, by any chance?
18:15 <epsy> wasn't it pretty much ready, but outdated and prone to conflict?
18:15 <Corn> thank jesus for wikihow
18:15 <epsy> PinkTomato, somewhere in the svn repo
18:16 <BabyBug> How would one try to merge it? :P
18:16 <Corn> what kind of douchebag would write a how to on religion
18:16 <epsy> svn way of bzr-svn way?
18:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: how does mafioso work in the real world?
18:17 <@Lucifer> wtf is mafioso?
18:17 <@Lucifer> you mean the mob?
18:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: IIRC, the GM names each person and the wolves raise hands
18:17 <luke-jr> (non-wolves have their eyes cloed)
18:17 <@Lucifer> er, I've never seen it run in the real world
18:17 <@Lucifer> I've got two takers so far, though
18:17 <@Lucifer> if that's all I get, I'll just direct them to the next arma-forums game ;)
18:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Mafioso is the original game
18:18 <Corn> oh man i love that game; mafia
18:18 <luke-jr> from which the werewolf variant spawned
18:19 <@Lucifer> all google's giving me is a PC game
18:19 <Corn> is python any different in linux as opposed to windows?
18:19 <luke-jr> check wikipedia for 'mafia party game'
18:19 <epsy> Corn, theoretically not
18:19 <BabyBug> .svn
18:19 <BabyBug> @svn
18:19 <luke-jr> Corn: yes, but not significantly
18:19 <epsy> #svn
18:19 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
18:19 <BabyBug> stupid thing
18:19 <luke-jr> IIRC, the differences are all under one OS-specific section
18:20 <epsy> I do not know where the utf8 branch is
18:20 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:20 <BabyBug> ya ya i found that already =P
18:20 <luke-jr> epsy: private/wrtl
18:20 <PinkTomato> hehe
18:20 <luke-jr> or maybe he moved it out
18:21 <epsy> BabyBug, well then svn should probably know what to do, just do svn merge /path/to/branch/to/merge/from
18:21 <@Lucifer> I didn't know it was based on a party game already, haha
18:21 <BabyBug> epsy, so svn trunk is identical to bzr trunk?
18:21 <@Lucifer> there's an idea, though
18:21 <epsy> supposedly
18:21 <@Lucifer> just get everyone back into the same room, have them close their eyes and lower their heads, and have the wolves vote
18:23 <Corn> its like werewolf game without all the special villagers
18:23 <BabyBug> svn co http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:23 <BabyBug> svn: Repository moved temporarily to '/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/'; please relocate
18:23 <Corn> you still lynch people
18:23 <BabyBug> Ummm?
18:23 <PinkTomato>  svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:23 <PinkTomato> sorry, I copy pasted the wrong line ;)
18:23 <BabyBug> ahhhh
18:23 <BabyBug> ty
18:25 <luke-jr> Corn: Mafioso has special roles too
18:25 <luke-jr> anyone want to test TWG on my Arma server?
18:25 <PinkTomato> on an arma server?
18:26 <MrBougo> http://www.sfwchan.com/pics/35341883.jpg
18:26 <BabyBug> hrmm
18:26 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yup
18:26 <BabyBug> epsy, should it actually say anything when i do svn merge?
18:26 <epsy> I don't know, check the svn doc
18:26 <luke-jr> BabyBug: wt_f_ are you doing svn merge for?
18:26 <@Lucifer> yeah, it should insult you while you're doing it
18:26 <BabyBug> luke-jr, bored!
18:26 <@Lucifer> hey, we could restart are earlier conversation, heh
18:27 <BabyBug> which one?
18:27 <epsy> STOP PUSHING ME
18:27 <luke-jr> let's play TWG ☹
18:27 <BabyBug> oh woops i'm a twit
18:29 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: have you got the merge to work :)?
18:29 <PinkTomato> svn documentation is... confusing
18:29 <BabyBug> well i got it to work....I'm confused at the first conflict ='(
18:32 <PinkTomato> :(
18:33 <BabyBug> ok i give up
18:36 <@Lucifer> resolving conflicts is not for the faint of heart
18:37 <@Lucifer> I just had a recruiter tell me they've got a job that's 33 miles away
18:37 <@Lucifer> my clutch would burn out the first week  :(
18:37 <@Lucifer> (and it would be a three hour bicycle commute)
18:37 <@Lucifer> (one way)
18:37 <BabyBug> O.o
18:37 <epsy> does svn prevent conflicts that occur because of double-committing?
18:38  * BabyBug looks at Lucifer for the answer to that
18:38 <epsy> ie. same patch applied on both branches
18:40 <luke-jr> I don't think so.
18:40 <luke-jr> might depend
18:40 <epsy> eww
18:40 <epsy> I might unpack bzr-svn as well, then
18:44 <PinkTomato> svn merge -r4827:6978 ../utf8 < is that correct? it's taking forever
18:44 <epsy> do not know
18:44 <epsy> argh, I don't have bzr-svn installed
18:45 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: what line did you use ?
18:45 <BabyBug> svn merge ../utf8
18:45 <PinkTomato> oh thanks :)
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18:45 <Lizmatic> o/
18:45 <PinkTomato> o/
18:45 <BabyBug> \o
18:50 <epsy> P4, are striked L ( ł ) common in polish?
18:50 <P4> yes, very common
18:50 <epsy> right
18:51 <P4> read as W in "weed"
18:51 <@Lucifer> wow, I can't say no to that
18:51 <@Lucifer> she's offered to pay me daily until I get things going again
18:51 <@Lucifer> in that case, I have to accept, I need the work :/
18:51 <@Lucifer> (even though I don't want to drive otu to jarrell every day)
18:52 <epsy> P4, it was about this :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/312240
18:52 <teabot> Launchpad bug 312240 in armagetronad "Polish language outdated for" [Undecided,Fix committed]
18:52 <epsy> grm, the launchpad staff still didn't fix my comment :S
18:52 <P4> is there a polish language, wiw
18:52 <P4> :)
18:53 <P4> ąęółćńśźż ← those are all of them iirc :þ
18:54 <luke-jr> epsy: btw, why are we asking for UTF-8 language files?
18:54 <luke-jr> aren't we still on Latin-1?
18:54 <epsy> yes, we are
18:55 <epsy> that's what his transliterated version is for
18:55 <luke-jr> …
18:55 <luke-jr> so 0.2.8 shouldn't even have the polish.txt?
18:55 <epsy> only transliterated, I guess
19:00 <luke-jr> not that simple ☹
19:00 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r742 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8691 to 8719:...
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19:12 <P4> who is rafal cieslak? :)
19:12 <epsy> BabyBug, \ [======                                                                                                  ] copying revision  126/2042
19:13 <epsy> BabyBug, zzz
19:13 <BabyBug> epsy, what's that?
19:13 <epsy> bzr..copying revisions
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19:14 <ivantis2> so... am i unbanned yet?
19:15 <BabyBug> ivantis2, you were banned because of ivantis3
19:15 <epsy> the other you or you?
19:15 <BabyBug> (the bot)
19:15 <BabyBug> So you weren't banned...It's just the bot couldn't be banned without you being banned =P
19:15 <epsy> that's what she said
19:17 <BabyBug> epsy, which revisions? i'm confused
19:17 <ivantis2> uh no, Lucifer specifically banned ivantis at home, ivantis3 and ivantis even had different hostnames
19:17 <epsy> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/ 0.2.8-utf8-svn
19:17 <BabyBug> ivantis2, it was guru, not lucifer
19:17 <epsy> oh, that other ivantis?
19:17 <BabyBug> And he wanted to baned ivantis3
19:17 <BabyBug> not ivantis
19:18 <ivantis2> no yesterday
19:18 <BabyBug> oh right
19:18 <ivantis2> #logs
19:18 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
19:19 <epsy> by the way mark shuttleworth can read the future
19:19 <epsy> here even, at bug 39464
19:19 <teabot> Launchpad bug 39464 in malone "Where's the bug reporter?" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39464
19:19 <ivantis2> crazy
19:20 <BabyBug> lol epsy
19:20 <ivantis2> guess what??? im on the honor roll
19:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8723 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/ (polish.txt polish_transliterated.txt): new polish files; polish.txt is UTF-8 -> Latin-1 translit
19:20 <ivantis2> i just looked at my grades today
19:21 <ivantis2> arent you guys proud of me?
19:21 <BabyBug> no, fuck off
19:22 <ivantis2> that wasnt very nice
19:22 <BabyBug> Take the hint!
19:22 <ivantis2> i got 3 As, 5 Bs
19:23 <ivantis2> to leave?
19:23 <ivantis2> *crying* i hate you all!
19:23 <epsy> You solved the puzzle!
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19:24 <BabyBug> yay!
19:24 <epsy> You solved the puzzle!
19:24 <BabyBug> i rock!
19:24 <epsy> now u can go thru the magic mindportal
19:24 <BabyBug> Lucifer, /mode +b *!*Android@*
19:24 <epsy> lol
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19:30  * PinkTomato just realised that there is no point merging 0.2.8 with utf8 as Bitmap fonts are obviously not compatible.
19:31 <BabyBug> .........
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19:32 <PinkTomato> well if i used trunk it would make sense, but damn me, I thought it would be easier to use 0.2.8
19:32 <PinkTomato> It seems the UTF8 uses ttf font anyway, rFont.cpp is big
19:32 <ivantis2> i give up, im back
19:33 <BabyBug> 0.2.8 doesn't even use FTGL does it?
19:33 <epsy> no it doesnt
19:33  * BabyBug is cleva
19:33 <PinkTomato> no but the UTF8 branch references it
19:33 <epsy> maybe the utf8 branch, if PinkTomato says so
19:33 <PinkTomato> #include <FTGLPixmapFont.h>
19:33 <PinkTomato> so i assume so
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19:35 <PinkTomato> Meld is really handy, I didn't realise I can just click those arrows to paste
19:36 <ivantis2> no one cares? meanies
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19:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer, /mode +b *!*Android@*
19:45 <PinkTomato> are all ivantis' the same ivantis?
19:47 <epsy> he says not
19:49 <BabyBug> But they're all just as annoying
19:53 <epsy> argh, I knew I would have ended in doubleposting
19:54 <BabyBug> ?
19:56 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18922
19:57 <BabyBug> why didn't you just edit ya other post? :P
19:58 <epsy> I had clicked quote, then wanted to copypaste .. forgot then
19:59 <BabyBug> twit
20:00 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I've already banned him 4 times today, how many times do you want me to ban him?
20:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, until he stops coming back!
20:00 <BabyBug> If you're lazy just +o me *rolls eyes*
20:01 <@Lucifer> heh, I'm going to need a lot more people complaining about him before I'm willing to try to run him off completely :)
20:01 <epsy> Lucifer, one other thing which is fun when kicking autorejoiners is to type the channel name yourself, with fucked up capitalisation
20:02 <@Lucifer> ?  explain, epsy
20:02 <@Lucifer> you mean kick them to a particular channel with different capitalization so they can't come back?
20:02 <@Lucifer> oh yeah, luke-jr said he'd registered with armabot
20:02 <@Lucifer> #list channel
20:02 <armabot> Lucifer: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
20:02 <epsy>  /kick #armagetron epsy
20:03 <@Lucifer> #channel add capability luke-jr kick
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'supybot.add' is not a valid configuration variable.
20:03 <@Lucifer> I don't think that's it
20:03 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:03 <@Lucifer> #capability add
20:03 <epsy> capability add *
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:03 <@Lucifer> grrr
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr kick
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:03 <@Lucifer> anybody else?
20:03 <BabyBug> me!
20:04 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug kick
20:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: I can't find BabyBug in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
20:04 <epsy> not sure if it will work like this
20:04 <@Lucifer> don't abuse it :)
20:04 <BabyBug> Awww
20:04 <BabyBug> how do i register?
20:04 <@Lucifer> hey, you have to register with armabot
20:04 <@Lucifer>  /msg armabot register
20:04 <epsy> and you have to be able to auth with it, unlike me
20:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by Lucifer
20:04 <PinkTomato> So to be kicked by armabot, you need to be registered with it?
20:04 <BabyBug> Registered Lucifer!
20:04 <@Lucifer> no, to use armabot to kick somebody you have to be registered with armabot
20:04 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug kick
20:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:05 <PinkTomato> Ah thats alright then :)
20:05 <@Lucifer> #kick PinkTomato like this
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20:05 <epsy> ooh, he applied my patch :)
20:05 <@Lucifer> he did :)
20:05 <BabyBug> lol
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20:05 <epsy> that's what he had done, not the thing with my hostmask
20:06 <epsy> grm
20:06 <@Lucifer> see?  wasn't that fun?  :)
20:06 <PinkTomato> ah :)
20:06 <PinkTomato> lol
20:06 <epsy> @owner capability list Lucifer
20:06 <epsy> #owner capability list Lucifer
20:06 <@Lucifer> the reason for using armabot for it is so we can be more giving with those particular permissions, and if someone goes nuts, we can just deop armabot while we deal with it
20:06 <@Lucifer> #admin capability list Lucifer
20:07 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:07 <epsy> @ping
20:07 <teabot> pong
20:07 <epsy> #list owner
20:07 <@armabot> epsy: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
20:07 <luke-jr> presumably the utf8 branch is based on trunk..
20:07 <BabyBug> #capability list Lucifer
20:07 <@armabot> BabyBug: (capability list [<channel>]) -- Returns the capabilities present on the <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
20:07 <BabyBug> blah!
20:07 <@Lucifer> #capability list
20:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:07 <BabyBug> #capability list
20:07 <@armabot> BabyBug: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:08 <@Lucifer> luke-jr: it is, but it was made a long time ago
20:08 <BabyBug> armabot fails
20:08 <epsy> #channel capability list
20:08 <@armabot> epsy: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:08 <epsy> #admin capability list
20:08 <epsy> #owner capability list
20:08 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:08 <@Lucifer> #list owner
20:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
20:08  * luke-jr wonders if UTF-8 is better off being rewritten
20:08 <epsy> brb
20:08 <Corn> #list register
20:08 <@armabot> Corn: Error: 'register' is not a valid plugin.
20:08 <luke-jr> in two stages
20:08 <luke-jr> first, internally, so languages and menus are UTF-8
20:09 <PinkTomato> ./tools/tString.h:135: error: ‘int tString::RemoveWordRight(int)’ cannot be overloaded
20:09 <luke-jr> then after that is working, modify the network stack to support UTF-8
20:09 <Corn> #list plugin
20:09 <@armabot> Corn: author, contributors, help, list, and plugin
20:09 <PinkTomato> maybe ;)
20:09 <BabyBug> luke-jr, won't that take longer? :(
20:09 <luke-jr> BabyBug: well, if it's based on an old trunk, it might be faster
20:09 <luke-jr> old trunk won't necessarily merge cleanly
20:09 <luke-jr> tbh, I don't see a reason why UTF-8 would take long at all
20:09 <luke-jr> seems fairly straightforward
20:10 <luke-jr> at least internally
20:10 <luke-jr> network stack might be complex for the server
20:10 <@Lucifer> iirc, the issues were largely in ftgl
20:10 <BabyBug> in that case, hurry up!
20:10 <@Lucifer> and/or the network
20:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: FTGL is UTF-8 capable now
20:10 <Corn> #message Corn hi me
20:10 <@Lucifer> really?  reliably?  (not that reliably matters, at this rate we'll finally release something when 1 terahurtz processors hit the market)
20:10 <luke-jr> in theory
20:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the UTF-8 capable FTGL crashes with Latin-1
20:11 <BabyBug> yes it does!
20:11 <@Lucifer> ah, is that why babybug's server browser keeps crashing?
20:11 <luke-jr> yes
20:11 <@Lucifer> then it's not our bug anyway, it's ftgl's ;)
20:11 <luke-jr> so migrating internal to UTF-8 fixes that
20:11 <luke-jr> in theory
20:11 <Corn> i accidentally left a dr. pepper outside and its 23 degrees
20:11 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: go bug them :)
20:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I reported it to FTGL already
20:11 <@Lucifer> Corn: so drink it before it gets too warm
20:11 <PinkTomato> so the UTF8 build dosen't work?
20:12 <PinkTomato> as FTGL didn't have UTF8 support 2 years ago?
20:12 <Corn> its kind of solid... more like eat it rather than drink
20:12 <@Lucifer> ah, you meant 23 degrees F
20:12 <@Lucifer> #finc 23
20:12 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
20:12 <@Lucifer> fuck you armabot
20:12 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: hence why I suspect a rewrite of the UTF-8 branch may be faster than updating it
20:12 <@Lucifer> I made that shortcut so I wouldn't ahve to remember Math convert!
20:12 <@Lucifer> #math convert
20:12 <@armabot> Lucifer: (math convert [<number>] <unit> to <other unit>) -- Converts from <unit> to <other unit>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. For unit information, see 'units' command.
20:12 <luke-jr> #help finc
20:12 <@armabot> luke-jr: (finc <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo You don't need this, just use Math convert".
20:13 <@Lucifer> #math convert 23 F to C
20:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: -5.0
20:13 <luke-jr> Lucifer: next time #lock it
20:13 <@Lucifer> I'll lock armabot's ass, I swearit!
20:13 <luke-jr> #alias add finc math convert $1 F to C
20:13 <luke-jr> #finc 23
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: -5.0
20:13 <@Lucifer> why doesn't it say which smart-ass removed it, anyway?
20:13 <Corn> Lucifer, it would be freezing regardless
20:13 <luke-jr> #lock finc
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:13 <@Lucifer> #lock finc
20:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:13 <@Lucifer> Corn: no, 23 degrees C is a warm day
20:13 <PinkTomato> #finc -40
20:13 <@armabot> PinkTomato: -40.0
20:13 <@Lucifer> #cinf 23
20:13 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
20:14 <@Lucifer> #math convert 23 C to F
20:14 <@armabot> Lucifer: 73.4
20:14 <Corn> then why did you bother converting
20:14 <Corn> i thought you meant it would be -5 C
20:14 <@Lucifer> converting what?
20:14 <@Lucifer> I'm nagging you for not providing units
20:14 <Corn> tsk tsk
20:14 <@Lucifer> because if wrtlprnft (hi there!) was here, he'd be nagging you instead :)
20:15  * ct|kyle pokes BabyBug
20:15 <Corn> he's probably eves dropping for all you know
20:15 <BabyBug> ct|kyle?
20:15 <ct|kyle> BabyBug?
20:15 <BabyBug> die
20:15 <PinkTomato> so merging UTF8 to 0.2.8 is going to be a waste of time?
20:15 <@Lucifer> #kick somebody
20:15 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: somebody is not in #armagetron.
20:15 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: it's not going to happen
20:15 <Corn> try random
20:15 <@Lucifer> er, you mean you're trying to do taht?
20:15 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: nothing merges to 0.2.8
20:16 <PinkTomato> I was
20:16 <@Lucifer> if you do that, you'll just end up with 0.3.0 with UTF8
20:16 <@Lucifer> heh, don't, it is in fact a waste of time
20:16 <@Lucifer> 0.2.8 uses a bitmap font, you need a real font engine to have utf8
20:16 <@Lucifer> which is in the trunk, that's what ftgl is
20:16 <PinkTomato> I reliased that half way through
20:16 <@Lucifer> ah, ok :)
20:16 <@Lucifer> you also need string changes we made, iirc.
20:17 <luke-jr> XD
20:17 <PinkTomato> Thats where the make fails
20:17 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: 0.2.8 doesn't get any more changes
20:18 <BabyBug> no version ever seems to get changes ><
20:18 <PinkTomato> I know, merging UTF8 to anything for me is too ambitious for myself anyway
20:18 <luke-jr> BabyBug: trunk does
20:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, lies
20:18 <PinkTomato> but the trunk is so big
20:18 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: big?
20:19 <@Lucifer> it's bigger than a beached whale
20:19 <luke-jr> btw, in case anyone didn't notice, I removed a font from trunk
20:19 <PinkTomato> It has lots of stuff in it that I thought might make it harder to merge
20:19 <luke-jr> I suspect it predates our own font.
20:19 <@Lucifer> predates?
20:19 <PinkTomato> I noticed when everything is now ____
20:19 <PinkTomato> and anything I type is: ____
20:19 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I think someone added the Bitstream font before someone made our Arma font
20:19 <@Lucifer> wait, it might have been the font wrtlprnft used to work ftgl in before he finished drawing our font
20:20 <luke-jr> anyhow, I removed it cuz it was GPL-incompatible and non-Free
20:20 <@Lucifer> if it was the font I dug up, it was free as in freedom
20:20 <luke-jr> Lucifer: it forbade commercial distribution by itself
20:20 <PinkTomato> I thought Bitstream was free?
20:20 <PinkTomato> but it isn't commercial distribution?
20:21 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it lacks the freedom to commercially redistribute it
20:21 <luke-jr> that right is protected by the GPL
20:21 <BabyBug> But you're not commercially distributing....
20:21 <PinkTomato> Oh, so if Armagetron was supplied with a cover disc, it would be a breach?
20:21 <BabyBug> So what's the problem?
20:22 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
20:22 <PinkTomato> oh
20:22 <luke-jr> the GPL is not compatible, so it is a breach regardless of attempt to use it in that way
20:22 <@Lucifer> er, no
20:22 <@Lucifer> we don't depend on the font, it's just there
20:22 <@Lucifer> we can put any font we want in the game
20:23 <@Lucifer> as long as we have the rights to distribute it
20:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer: is it really mere aggregation if we include it with the game source itself?
20:23 <@Lucifer> and as long as we provide at least one font that the user can redistribute, and carefully note what parts they can't redistribute
20:23 <@Lucifer> the font isn't source code, it's data, and the gpl doesn't cover data
20:23 <luke-jr> GPL defines source code in such a way that it would include data
20:24 <@Lucifer> I'm not complaining that you removed it, mind you, just disagreeing with your GPL interpretation
20:24 <@Lucifer> no, GPL has a separate section for data, iirc
20:24 <@Lucifer> it's been a few years since I've read it, though
20:24  * luke-jr would need to reread.
20:24 <luke-jr> but this tangent is pretty irrelevant if nobody minds the removal
20:24 <BabyBug> wait people actually read them licenses?
20:24 <luke-jr> better to spend the time on other things
20:24 <@Lucifer> but the way I remember it, even with source code, if it's generic enough code, we're still safe
20:24 <@Lucifer> where generic means "we don't depend on it"
20:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: IIRC, generic+not included
20:25 <@Lucifer> so we can link to non-gpl-compatible libraries so long as we don't need them
20:25 <luke-jr> but as I said, let's do something more useful
20:25 <@Lucifer> ahhh, but truetype fonts are compiled, iirc ;)
20:25 <luke-jr> so long as there are alternative libraries that fit the same gap*
20:25  * Lucifer is just killing time until his head finally falls down and he's asleep
20:25 <luke-jr> oh
20:26 <PinkTomato> this legal talk goes over my head
20:26 <@Lucifer> then read this:
20:26 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: programmers like to pretend to be lawyers ☺
20:26 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/378/
20:26 <@Lucifer> hey, the only difference between programmers and lawyers is the language used
20:26 <@Lucifer> otherwise, none of them have friends, girls, etc.
20:27 <PinkTomato> can a programmer justify £60 an hour though?
20:27 <@Lucifer> yes
20:27 <luke-jr> yes
20:27 <luke-jr> that seems awful cheap for a lawyer
20:27 <@Lucifer> well, it's pounds, see
20:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I'm adjusting for that
20:27 <luke-jr> ~$125 IIRC
20:27 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: true, I forgot the cost
20:27 <@Lucifer> adjust for differences in the legal system while you're at it :)
20:27 <luke-jr> heh
20:27 <luke-jr> I don't know that
20:28 <@Lucifer> here, you need a lawyer if you want to wipe your ass in the courtroom
20:28 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: its worth less that that
20:28 <PinkTomato> £1 == $1.5
20:28 <ct|kyle> #g
20:28 <@Lucifer> but yeah, lawyers make more than programmers, and that's because they deal with more life-changing situations
20:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
20:28 <ct|kyle> #g £1 in USD
20:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: UK£ 1 = 1.4487 U.S. dollars
20:28 <@Lucifer> #g sizeof(lucifer's ass)
20:28 <@armabot> Lucifer: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:29 <luke-jr> Lucifer: lawyers don't seem to work as literally as programmers tho
20:29 <@Lucifer> heh, yeah they do :)
20:29 <luke-jr> one example being a problem I am currently facing
20:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I don't know, a programmer could change a lot of lives if they were in charge of life critical systems
20:29 <luke-jr> my court order says I must take prescribed medication
20:29 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: and *those* programmers get paid a shitload of money
20:29 <luke-jr> but nothing was prescribed because I didn't want to take it ;)
20:30 <luke-jr> however, the fact that it was *recommended* will be problematic
20:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: ah I see my failed point :)
20:30 <@Lucifer> ah, are your judges elected or appointed?
20:30 <luke-jr> if legal things were literal, I would be off fine because it was not prescribed
20:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: appointed, I think
20:30 <@Lucifer> see, ours are mostly elected, which means many of them haven't studied law at all
20:31 <luke-jr> speaking of which, is there such a thing as a good psychiatrist?
20:31 <luke-jr> and if so, how can I find one?
20:31 <ct|kyle> in indiana we can vote to remove Judges but the new ones are appointed
20:32 <luke-jr> wtf, ct|kyle pays attention to those sort of things? XD
20:33 <ct|kyle> when there are about 20 on the ballot, you kind of have to (actually i think there were 5)
20:34  * luke-jr didn't see a ballot
20:34 -!- SageLord [n=aaron_wo@adsl-69-154-196-221.dsl.bumttx.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
20:37 <PinkTomato> Regarding armagetron trunk latest, ./configure fail on boostlib, does this mean that the autotools-dev/autoconf of ubuntu is out-of-date?
20:37 <@Lucifer> no, it means you need to install boost
20:37 <BabyBug> #ubuntu
20:37 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
20:38 <@Lucifer> once you have a configure script (without errors from the generators that make it), everything else is
20:38 <BabyBug> \o/
20:38 <@Lucifer> um
20:38 <PinkTomato> I have that BabyBug :)
20:38 <@Lucifer> I forgot my chain of thought
20:38  * PinkTomato found libboost and wonders how I could have missed it
20:38 <@Lucifer> well, the ubuntu alias is really just a more or less random list of libraries
20:39 <@Lucifer> we like to see which random configurations work and which don't, that way we don't have to bother to try to figure out what libraries we actually depend on
20:40 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/154/
20:42 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/394/   <--- for luke-jr
20:43 <luke-jr> old
20:44 <PinkTomato> old can be good too
20:45 <PinkTomato> is this bad: http://rafb.net/p/wXiFk111.html ?
20:45 <@Lucifer> terrible
20:45 <@Lucifer> astonishingly bad
20:45 <PinkTomato> is there a way I can make it good?
20:46 <@Lucifer> paste the errors at the beginning?
20:46 <Corn> #weather burlington, vt
20:46 <luke-jr> what happened?
20:46 <@armabot> Corn: The current temperature in Winooski, Vermont is 21.2°F (2:46 PM EST on January 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
20:46 <@Lucifer> no << in tString
20:46 <@Lucifer> #weather Austin, TX
20:46 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in UT Campus, Austin, Texas is 72.9°F (1:46 PM CST on January 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.14 in 986.7 hPa (Falling).
20:46 <luke-jr> tString(((const char*)"AAA")) <-- WTF is this?
20:46 <Corn> wow
20:46 <Corn> when was the last time it snowed in austin
20:47 <BabyBug> trunk is getting a segmentation fault when i type ./bootstrap.sh =(
20:47 <PinkTomato> this is the trunk btw, not my attempt at mergin
20:47 <@Lucifer> couple of weeks ago
20:47 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: bootstrap.sh is a shell script
20:47 <@Lucifer> so you've got a more serious problem
20:47 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that code is not in trunk
20:47 <luke-jr> (const char*)"AAA" is the same as "AAA"
20:48 <PinkTomato> BabyBug how old is the code?
20:48 <luke-jr> why is it being cast? :/
20:48 <Corn> shell is a linux terminal right?
20:48 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i just pulled it
20:48 <luke-jr> Corn: …
20:48 <PinkTomato> That's odd
20:48 <PinkTomato> It was erroring with Generating version
20:48 <luke-jr> BabyBug: and changed it?
20:48 <BabyBug> luke-jr, no ><
20:48 <PinkTomato> with me, but the update fixed it
20:48 <luke-jr> BabyBug: well you don't have trunk vanilla code
20:48 <luke-jr> err
20:48 <BabyBug> what?
20:48 <luke-jr> PinkTomato that is
20:49 <PinkTomato> $ svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
20:49 <PinkTomato> thats correct right?
20:49 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yes
20:50 <PinkTomato> Do you ./bootstrap.sh on svn?
20:50 <luke-jr> yes
20:50 <luke-jr> engine/ePlayer.cpp:4932: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
20:50 <PinkTomato> Oh right
20:50 <luke-jr> that code mentioned does not exist in trunk
20:50 <luke-jr> nor does it make sense
20:51 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how would i go about figure out what's causing the segfault ><
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20:51 <PinkTomato> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp?revision=8717&view=markup
20:51 <@Lucifer> add echo statements between each line in bootstrap.sh and see what's the last one printed before the segfault?
20:51 <PinkTomato> check line 4932 luke-jr :S
20:52 <Janowar> hey guys, does the armagetron windows installer have a quiet install option?
20:53 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that line is different
20:53 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it segfaults on this line:     echo "m4_define(AUTOMATIC_VERSION,["`sh batch/make/version $MYDIR`"])" > version || exit 1
20:53 <BabyBug> Why? O.o
20:53 <luke-jr> BabyBug: that shouldn't be possible
20:53 <BabyBug> luke-jr, well it is
20:53 <BabyBug> lol
20:53 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: thats the same bug I had :S,
20:53 <@Lucifer> seems like m4 has to be the one segfaulting
20:53 <luke-jr> BabyBug: blame your crummy OS
20:53 <BabyBug> is that bad?
20:54 <PinkTomato> z-man fixed it :S
20:54 <@Lucifer> well yeah, if your m4 is borked, you're screwed
20:54 <BabyBug> ?!
20:54 <BabyBug> hrmph
20:54 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wait, what?
20:54 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: what was the actual problem you had?
20:54 <luke-jr> m4 isn't even running there
20:54 <@Lucifer> oh wait, you're right luke, m4 isn't running yet
20:54 <@Lucifer> heh
20:54 <luke-jr> BabyBug: please run: batch/make/version
20:54 <PinkTomato> its just an echo, that is what confused me
20:54 <@Lucifer> I said I was sick, now I'm also really tired ;)
20:54 <PinkTomato> thats the file z-man changed
20:55 <BabyBug> luke-jr.......
20:55 <BabyBug> richie@richie-laptop:~/armagetron/armagetronad$ sh batch/make/version
20:55 <BabyBug> cat: /major_version: No such file or directory
20:55 <BabyBug> Segmentation fault
20:55 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I didn't say 'sh' ;p
20:55 <luke-jr> BabyBug: ok, oops
20:55 <BabyBug> ,,
20:55 <luke-jr> batch/make/version $PWD
20:55 <BabyBug> just says Segmentation Fault this time
20:55 <epsy> Janowar, define what a quiet installation is ?
20:56 <luke-jr> BabyBug: date +%Y%m%d
20:56 <@Lucifer> epsy: no prompts
20:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, worked..20090102
20:56 <epsy> ah
20:56 <luke-jr> BabyBug: this is a Subversion checkout?
20:56 <epsy> use the zip
20:56 <@Lucifer> epsy: preferably no windows opened at all
20:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, no bzr
20:56 <@Lucifer> is it a fresh checkout?
20:56 <@Lucifer> or one that you've updated a lot?
20:57 <epsy> well, there's a commandline tool for unzipping, right?
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: open batch/make/version for editing
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: insert at line 2: set -x
20:57 <PinkTomato> z-man said stuff afterwards that  I didn't understand regarding subversion
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: actually, just uncomment the one already there
20:57 <@Lucifer> that's because he's a subversive
20:57 <BabyBug> luke-jr, it isn't already there...
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: line 5
20:58 <BabyBug> srcdir="$1"
20:58 <BabyBug> that's line 5
20:58 <luke-jr> wtf
20:58 <Janowar> epsy: yes, but I was trying to use it as a test package for remote software distrobution, rather than finding something ungainly.
20:58 <luke-jr> ok, insert it then: set -x
20:58 <BabyBug> then try bootstrap?
20:58 <@Lucifer> wah, I'm getting mostly girls responding to my TWG post
20:58 <luke-jr> BabyBug: then batch/make/version $PWD
20:59 <BabyBug> incoming spam...
20:59 <BabyBug> + srcdir=/home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad
20:59 <BabyBug> + cat /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/major_version
20:59 <BabyBug> + major_version=0.3
20:59 <BabyBug> + date +%Y%m%d
20:59 <BabyBug> + DATE=20090102
20:59 <luke-jr> NO
20:59 <BabyBug> + test -d /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/CVS
20:59 <luke-jr> OMFG
20:59 <BabyBug> + test -d /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/.svn
20:59 <luke-jr> DO NOT PASTE IT HERE
20:59 <luke-jr> IDIOT
20:59 <BabyBug> + bzr
20:59 <BabyBug> + test 1 -eq 0
20:59 <BabyBug> + test !
20:59 <BabyBug> Segmentation fault
20:59 <PinkTomato> PasteBin!
20:59 <BabyBug> oh
20:59 <@Lucifer> Latest Version: | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys
20:59 <BabyBug> LOL
20:59 <BabyBug> It wasn't that many lines ><
20:59 <BabyBug> It's not like there was a 100
20:59 <BabyBug> zeesh don't throw a fit!
20:59 <epsy> it doesn't like the !
20:59  * BabyBug uses pastebinit from now on ><
20:59 <luke-jr> BabyBug: sh --version
21:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/revision/965
21:00 <epsy> and yeah, zman fixed that
21:00 <BabyBug> luke-jr, sh: Illegal option --
21:00 <BabyBug> :s
21:01 <epsy> BabyBug, can you try this: /bin/bash -c 'test ! 1 -eq 0'
21:01 <luke-jr> epsy: wtf?
21:01 <luke-jr> I don't see the 'test !' anywhere
21:01 <epsy> that's what was causing the odd segv, last time
21:01 <epsy> BabyBug, trunk?
21:02 <BabyBug> epsy, yup
21:02 <luke-jr> BabyBug: update
21:02 <luke-jr> it must be old
21:02 <BabyBug> Tree is up to date at revision 741.
21:02 <epsy> r742 should fix it
21:02 <epsy> pull
21:02 <epsy> it
21:02 <epsy> Janowar, and now..?
21:02 <BabyBug> ok yup it's working now \o/
21:02  * epsy slaps BabyBug
21:03 <luke-jr> epsy: wife beater!
21:03 <BabyBug> it was 1 revision off ><
21:03  * luke-jr runs
21:03 <BabyBug> wife?!?!?!
21:03 <epsy> one revision which brought a merge
21:03 <@Lucifer> yeah, why would epsy want to marry a welsh lady?
21:04 <luke-jr> why would anyone want to marry BabyBug, I wonder?
21:04 <BabyBug> ..........
21:04 <BabyBug> Thanks...
21:04 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: sorry to bring this back up again, but what should line 4932 be?
21:04 <@Lucifer> because she's into light s&m ?
21:04 <luke-jr> LOL
21:04 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: svn diff?
21:05 <BabyBug> OK....Now why won't bloody configure find FTGl... *growls*
21:05 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: that command results in null
21:05 <epsy> BabyBug, it wont accept the RC anymore
21:05 <BabyBug> ......
21:05 <epsy> (since it doesnt work)
21:06 <BabyBug> it worked for custom connects!
21:06 <BabyBug> :@
21:06 <luke-jr> BabyBug: only until someone used a Latin-1 name
21:06 <epsy> well, you can still append the correct CXXFLAGS
21:06 <BabyBug> i hate you all
21:06 <epsy> and remove the macro
21:07 <epsy> or just revert the revision that disallowed it
21:07 <epsy> which was revision..
21:07 <@Lucifer> you won't hate me after you see my fuzzy handcuffs
21:07 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: you must be compiling the same trunk ?
21:07 <@Lucifer> (note to self: buy fuzzy handcuffs)
21:07 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: has it worked?
21:07 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, mines working now yeh
21:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how old are again?
21:08 <epsy> ..I don't know what revision, bzr.lp just went down
21:08  * Lucifer falls asleep, 'night!
21:08 <BabyBug> ! ><
21:08 <epsy> fail
21:08 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Make working or done?
21:08 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8724 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/polish.txt: missing newlines
21:08 <epsy> kick it kick it
21:08 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i can't configure because of my FTGL version
21:08 <BabyBug> so i cant test that far
21:09 <PinkTomato> Oh! /me forgot to read
21:09 <PinkTomato> sorry
21:09 <epsy> grm
21:09  * BabyBug scowls at Lucifer 
21:09 <luke-jr> epsy: gg
21:10 <luke-jr> BabyBug: Lucifer is 58
21:10  * Lucifer scowls back
21:10 <BabyBug> liar
21:10 <luke-jr> :þ
21:10 <epsy> that was a taunt, not some random abbreviation
21:10 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how old are yooooooooh :P
21:10 <@Lucifer> yeah, I just ha da birthday, now I'm 59
21:10 <BabyBug> ...
21:10 <@Lucifer> #math calc 34*7
21:10 <@armabot> Lucifer: 238
21:11 <@Lucifer> I'm 238 in dog years
21:11 <luke-jr> :þ
21:11 <BabyBug> you're 34?! ewwww keep your fuzzy handcuffs !
21:11 <akira_arma> ???
21:11 <@Lucifer> heh
21:11 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I'm 23.
21:11 <akira_arma> #math 34/7
21:11 <epsy> erm
21:11 <akira_arma> #math calc 34/7
21:11 <epsy> BabyBug, I'm lost
21:11 <luke-jr> epsy is 92
21:12 <BabyBug> luke-jr, still too old for me :P
21:12 <akira_arma> you have too divide by 7 lucifer..
21:12 <@armabot> akira_arma: 4.85714285714
21:12 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I see why your name is Baby.
21:12 <BabyBug> epsy, lost about what?
21:12 <@Lucifer> oh yeah, heh
21:12 <BabyBug> ><
21:12 <epsy> finding the revision which changed the ftgl check
21:12 <@Lucifer> I'm about 5 in dog years :)
21:12 <BabyBug> oh
21:12 <BabyBug> lol
21:13 <epsy> but well, considering I'm on the wrong branch, it may explain stuff
21:13 <@Lucifer> he's on the gay pair-eeee branch
21:13 <BabyBug> So branch is what the old folks call it? ;)
21:14 <@Lucifer> I don't know, I haven't talked to any old people about SCM
21:14 <BabyBug> *face palms*
21:14 <BabyBug> You're almost double my age...So to me you're old :P
21:14 <luke-jr> BabyBug: you're 16⁈
21:15 <BabyBug> almost luke-jr
21:15 <BabyBug> I'm 18
21:15 <@Lucifer> 18, but she lies
21:15 <PinkTomato> what should line eplayer.cpp:4932 be?
21:15 <luke-jr> holy crap
21:15 <BabyBug> ?
21:15 <luke-jr> I'm 7 years past 18
21:15 <epsy> where and when?
21:15 <@Lucifer> and according to xkcd, my minimum dating age iis 24 anyway
21:15 <luke-jr> just realized that
21:15 <luke-jr> sweet, Lucifer can't try to date me
21:15 <epsy> Lucifer, where's that one already?
21:16 <BabyBug> luke-jr, 23 - 18 = 5 not 7......
21:16 <epsy> he can
21:16 <epsy> LOL
21:16 <@Lucifer> heh, it's fairly recent
21:16 <luke-jr> BabyBug: oh, right, that's a little better
21:16 <epsy> god, and I'm not  talking about luke's
21:16 <BabyBug> > 4 years is still old though
21:16 <luke-jr> sigh, I feel old ☹
21:16 <BabyBug> your are hunni xx
21:17 <BabyBug> you*
21:17 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean
21:17 <PinkTomato> better than feeling like a baby
21:17 <luke-jr> even with that correction it makes no sense
21:17  * Lizmatic growls
21:17 <BabyBug> of course it makes sense..
21:17 <BabyBug> It means you are old...
21:17 <luke-jr> sigh
21:17 <BabyBug> how does that not make sense?!
21:17 <luke-jr> wtf is hunni xx
21:18 <PinkTomato> Honey
21:18 <BabyBug> hunni is a nickname i call lots of people and xx are two kisses :P
21:18 <luke-jr> I don't even eat honey
21:18 <luke-jr> BabyBug: next time try 'u r'
21:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, I'm not a freak
21:19 <BabyBug> freaks that can't spell says things like "u r"
21:19 <luke-jr> r so
21:19 <epsy> if you're 12 your minimum dating age is 13, but if you're 13 your minimum dating age is 13.5
21:19 <epsy> poor ivantis
21:20 <@Lucifer> er, I'm not finding it
21:20 <epsy> so, let's take it reverse and compute my max dating age
21:20 <epsy> http://xkcd.com/314/
21:21 <@Lucifer> aha, there it is
21:21 <@Lucifer> that makes my max dating age 44
21:21 <@Lucifer> so, 24-44
21:21 <epsy> 18, ah shit
21:21 <epsy> damn BabyBug
21:21 <@Lucifer> haha, my dating pool is bigger than yours :)
21:21 <BabyBug> epsy?
21:21 <epsy> I said nothing.
21:22 <BabyBug> <epsy> damn BabyBug
21:22 <BabyBug> ?
21:22 <@Lucifer> poor Babybug, her dating pool is only 17-19
21:22 <BabyBug> Lucifer, 17 - 22 actually!
21:22 <@Lucifer> er, wait a minute, that's not the one with the formula in it, it's just the graph
21:22 <BabyBug> 16 if they're female :P
21:22 <@Lucifer> oh nvm, yeah, it's there
21:22 <PinkTomato> what :s
21:23 <epsy> I just gave her min dating age
21:23 <PinkTomato> why would be it 17? 18/2+7=16
21:23 <@Lucifer> minimum dating age = (your_age/2)  + 7
21:23 <@Lucifer> oh right
21:23 <@Lucifer> ok, 16-20 then
21:23 <epsy> woops
21:23 <@Lucifer> but see, there's a problem with that
21:23 <Janowar> mine is 18-30
21:23 <@Lucifer> take the 24 year old I could date
21:24 <@Lucifer> her dating range is 19-29
21:24 <@Lucifer> and I'm outside of it
21:24 <PinkTomato> how do you work out the max though?
21:24 <@Lucifer> your_age - minimum + your_age
21:24 <Janowar> work in reverse, find the oldest that has you in their dating range
21:25 <@Lucifer> ahhh, so actual dating range might be different, I need to find the youngest that has me in her dating range
21:25 <Janowar> lucifer: it should be 2(your_age - 7)
21:25 <@Lucifer> for youngest or oldest?
21:25 <@Lucifer> #math calc 2*(34-7)
21:25 <@armabot> Lucifer: 54
21:25 <Janowar> for oldest
21:26 <epsy> for max
21:26 <@Lucifer> hey, I can date my neighbor
21:26 <@Lucifer> (she's really hot, but cranky, and 53)
21:26 <luke-jr> #math calc (23/2) + 7
21:26 <@armabot> luke-jr: 18.5
21:26 <epsy> woops, it is even smaller
21:26 <luke-jr> #math calc 2*(23-7)
21:26 <Janowar> min:( your_age/2) + 7 max: 2(your_age - 7)
21:26 <@armabot> luke-jr: 32
21:26 <BabyBug> luke-jr, are you really 23?
21:26 <epsy> 14.5-16
21:26 <@Lucifer> oh I see, ok, I get it
21:26 <luke-jr> BabyBug: yes
21:27 <epsy> let's spice it up with months
21:27 <@Lucifer> so I can date 24, that makes sense now
21:27 <@Lucifer> holy crap, 24-54
21:27 <Lizmatic> Lucifer: you're old and a dad, you're not allowed to date anymore
21:27 <PinkTomato> Lucifer Min age == 24 && 24 year old == OK, 24 year old == 19 O
21:27 <@Lucifer> Lizmatic: you're wrong on two counts
21:27 <PinkTomato> K
21:27 <PinkTomato> so no conflict?
21:28 <Corn> i wouldnt want to date someone that is 54 and single
21:28 <@Lucifer> what if she was really hot?
21:28 <PinkTomato> what about 54 and not single?
21:28 <Corn> thats risque
21:28 <Corn> like desperate house wives without the mexicans
21:28 <@Lucifer> hey, if she's 54, she lived through the sexual revolution
21:29 <@Lucifer> she probably knows things you can't even imagine
21:29 <@Lucifer> hell yeah I'd tap that!
21:29 <Corn> that i dont want to imagine from a 54 yearold doing it
21:29 <@Lucifer> I've seen lots of very beautiful women over 50
21:29 <PinkTomato> but you already have
21:29 <Corn> She could have cancer for all i know
21:29 <@Lucifer> and I say that not because I'm a freak, but because it's true
21:30 <@Lucifer> what's wrong with screwing a woman with cancer?
21:30 <PinkTomato> any person could have cancer
21:30 <Lizmatic> women over 20 aren't beautiful
21:30 <Lizmatic> don't be silly
21:30 <Corn> the hair falls out
21:30 <Janowar> only from kemo
21:30 <@Lucifer> it's not cancer that does that
21:30 <PinkTomato> thats not going to happy during sex
21:30 <Janowar> thats not the only treatment
21:30 <PinkTomato> happen*
21:30 <Corn> most cancer patients do kemo
21:30 <@Lucifer> even if it does, what does it matter?
21:30 <@Lucifer> your hair falls out too
21:30 <@Lucifer> ever have a woman complain about pubes in her teeth?
21:31 <BabyBug> a guy shouldn't have pubes!
21:31 <Corn> have you?
21:31 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic: what will you do after the age of 20?
21:31 <@Lucifer> yes, first complaint was when I was 18, and then they were pretty steady until recently
21:31 <epsy> so, normalized, my dating age goes from 14.75704225352112676056 to 17.02816901408450704224, with, apparently, a precision up to 10e-20
21:31 <Janowar> babybug: girls shouldt either, but the world isnt perfect
21:31 <@Lucifer> holy shit, epsy
21:31 <@Lucifer> you did *not* use that many sig figs for your age, did you?
21:32 <BabyBug> Janowar, most girls don't =P
21:32 <epsy> I did not include hours
21:32 <Janowar> true
21:32 <@Lucifer> you included days, though?
21:32 <Corn> if the boy shaves and the girl doesnt then its like the bob saget joke
21:32 <epsy> so that's not a 10e-20 precision
21:32 <@Lucifer> no, you've got too many decimal places
21:32 <@Lucifer> including years, months, and days is only 3 sig figs, iirc
21:32 <epsy> rather 355e-1
21:32 <epsy> rather 355^-1 *
21:33 <@Lucifer> ah
21:33 <BabyBug> Corn, shaves? nuuuuuu, use wax!
21:33 <epsy> but I haven't been counting leap years, damned
21:33 <@Lucifer> ok, that makes it 4 sig figs
21:33 <@Lucifer> you don't have to count leap years
21:33 <epsy> you'd better use days for this
21:33 <@Lucifer> the denominator only applies to the year most recent
21:34 <@Lucifer> and the year counts from your birthday
21:34 <Corn> When was the last leap year? 2006?
21:34 <@Lucifer> 2008 dipshit
21:34 <Corn> like i would know
21:34 <@Lucifer> it was last year!
21:34 <epsy> leap years can be divided by 4
21:34 <Corn> why do you remember that crap
21:34 <@Lucifer> well, I had to encode the algorithm into a program
21:35 <@Lucifer> epsy: unless the year is also divisible by 400
21:35 <@Lucifer> or wait
21:35 <epsy> crap, so 200 isn't leap?
21:35 <@Lucifer> maybe it's unless the year is also divisible by 100, but also if the year is divisible by 400
21:35 <Lizmatic> PinkTomato: why?
21:35 <Corn> every 100 years that collide with a leap year there is no leap iirc
21:35 <epsy> 2000 *
21:35 <@Lucifer> I don't remember if 2000 was a leap year or not
21:36 <epsy> so I encountered 3 leap years in my life
21:36 <Janowar> why is that? if its every 4 years, the hundres shouldnt matter?
21:36 <@Lucifer> how many leap years are you going to include in the constant?
21:37 <@Lucifer> Janowar: because 2000 is divisible by both 100 and 400
21:37 <@Lucifer> and epsy was born before 2000
21:37 <Corn> so its a double cancel?
21:37 <Corn> are you positive
21:37 <epsy> holy shit months
21:37 <PinkTomato> If Lizmatic is beautiful and is younger than 20, then Lizmatic is beautiful, but when Lizmatic is over 20, then Lizmatic cannot be beautiful, by your logic.
21:37 <@Lucifer> see, he's trying to use his age in days to compute his minimum dating range to high precision, which thus ensures he'll never actually get a date
21:37 <epsy> PinkTomato, and if she is 20 ??
21:38 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: doesn't matter, because by her logic she can't date anyway
21:38 <@Lucifer> (has a kid)
21:38 <Janowar> following the xkcd comic, somewhere on the edge of the bell curve is the girl for him
21:38 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
21:38 <@Lucifer> and being beautiful only matters if you try to date
21:38 <Corn> i think cancer affects your dating range
21:38 <Corn> effects*
21:38 <epsy> I wonder if I can exclude some sites from that search..
21:38 <@Lucifer> Corn: no, it just widens the group of people that are idiotic bigots that you won't date
21:39 <Lizmatic> PinkTomato: so what?
21:39 <Corn> What stops a cancer patient from dating a bigot
21:39 <@Lucifer> the bigot hates them?
21:39 <@Lucifer> more importantly, what's wrong with dating a cancer patient?
21:40 <Corn> on the contrary
21:41 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic: If you accept that, then good on you ;)
21:41 <epsy> how do I use modulo on bc? :s
21:41 <@Lucifer> on bc?
21:41 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Lizmatic is already fugly though, so her age doesn't matter
21:41 <BabyBug> :D
21:41 <Lizmatic> o_O
21:42 <@Lucifer> yeah, she's a girl, in irc
21:42 <Corn> arent there 2 lizmatics?
21:42  * Lizmatic sighs
21:42 <@Lucifer> so by definition, she's either fugly, or an old man pretending to be a hot young lesbian
21:42 <@Lucifer> either way, Corn would tap that
21:42 <epsy> Lucifer, yeah, GNU bc
21:42 <epsy> calculator
21:42 <Lizmatic> why would there be 2 lizmatics? moron
21:42 <@Lucifer> epsy: I don't know what bc is
21:42 <@Lucifer> ahhhh, I use python as my calculator
21:42 <@Lucifer> and have to look up modulo anyway
21:42 <Corn> Lizmatic transforms into Bitchmatic
21:43 <Lizmatic> Lucifer: i'm a fugly straight girl =P
21:43 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic is confrontational, A note that I shall remeber
21:43 <Lizmatic> pregnant, hormones.. shut it or i'll kill you.
21:43 <epsy> php has it as %
21:43 <@Lucifer> oooo, pregnant is really hot
21:43 <BabyBug> ewwww Lucifer is a fetishist
21:43 <@Lucifer> no, just been with a pregnant woman
21:44 <@Lucifer> hormones, good
21:44 <@Lucifer> if you catch her in an "I love men" stage, of course
21:44 <@Lucifer> if she's currently hating men....
21:44 <@Lucifer> well, where's my fuzzy handcuffs?
21:44 <Lizmatic> I'm currently hating everyone
21:44 <Lizmatic> xD
21:44 <BabyBug> Except me!!
21:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: chasteberry is useful
21:44 <epsy> EXCEPT in bed
21:44 <@Lucifer> wait, how does a lesbian get pregnant?
21:44 <Lizmatic> yes, I love BabyBug in a straight girl way
21:45 <@Lucifer> haha epsy
21:45 <BabyBug> Lucifer, clinics
21:45 <PinkTomato> with sperm
21:45 <Corn> Fake lesbians... :/
21:45  * Lizmatic isn't a lesbian o_O
21:45 <Lizmatic> www.myspace.com/whengodhatesu
21:45 <Lizmatic> no lesbian
21:45 <Lizmatic> =)
21:45 <@Lucifer> do I really want to click on that link?
21:45 <epsy> (the myspace profile field as a proof)
21:45 <PinkTomato> :)
21:45 <BabyBug> You're myspace also says you live in Italy
21:45 <Lizmatic> epsy: the default pic actually..
21:45 <BabyBug> your*
21:45 <Lizmatic> I live in italy......sometimes
21:46 <BabyBug> liar
21:46 <BabyBug> lol
21:46 <epsy> haha
21:46 <Lizmatic> lolol
21:46 <@Lucifer> that reminds me, women with myspace pages aren't in my dating pool
21:46 <Lizmatic> whateva, pic + profile field = TRUTH
21:46 <epsy> Humeur : cafardeux
21:46 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't have a myspace!
21:46 <Corn> italy has a lot of pregnant lesbians from what i hear.
21:46 <epsy> #t fr en cafardeux
21:46 <@armabot> epsy: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
21:46 <@Lucifer> look at this girl
21:46  * Lizmatic growls at BabyBug
21:46 <@Lucifer> half the time I'm  too old, the other  half I'm totally desirable
21:46 <epsy> "cafardeux" just makes me think of insects
21:47  * BabyBug scowls at Lizmatic 
21:47 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you're just so damn sexy!
21:47  * Lizmatic growls more
21:47 <BabyBug> xD
21:47 <Corn> Luci has that mullet thing going for him or whatever it is
21:47  * Lucifer doesn't have a mullet
21:47 <Lizmatic> oh thats really you in your avatar Lucifer?
21:48 <Lizmatic> I thought you ripped that from a hells angels website or something
21:48 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i've decided old is the new sexy
21:48 <@Lucifer> yeah, that's really me
21:48 <@Lucifer> but I changed my avatar a few days ago
21:48 <Corn> If its not a mullet what is it called
21:48 <@Lucifer> I also got a hair cut a couple of months ago
21:48 <PinkTomato> we can't see your face any more
21:48 <@Lucifer> Corn: long hair?
21:49 <@Lucifer> a mullet is short on the front and sides and long in the back
21:49 <@Lucifer> my hair used to be long all over, and now it's short all over
21:49 <Corn> so its kind of a lions mane type of thing right?
21:49 <luke-jr> my wife says I need a haircut :o
21:49 <@Lucifer> yes, that's right, lion's mane type of thing
21:49 <Lizmatic> luke-jr: what else do your imaginary friends tell you? xD
21:49 <@Lucifer> I could touch my nipples with my bangs
21:49 <luke-jr> Lizmatic: f u
21:50 <Lizmatic> :D
21:50 <@Lucifer> but I went and got a haircut back in Septemberish, so it's short all the way around right now
21:50 <Corn> note: never tell people you can touch your nipples with your bangs
21:50 <@Lucifer> I've almost got the goatee back, though ;)
21:50 <@Lucifer> why?
21:50 <@Lucifer> that either tells them I've got really long hair, or I'm really fat
21:50 <Lizmatic> this convo is too amusing.. weirdo's xD
21:51 <Corn> maybe its a good thing depends on what kind of people your chasing after
21:52 <@Lucifer> to be quite honest, I'm generally attracted to women with piercings, for some reason
21:52 <@Lucifer> piercings yes, tattoos no
21:52 <Corn> who even uses myspace anymore after the pedobear invaded
21:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i have a belly piecing!
21:52 <@Lucifer> not goths, not emos, but still in that same vein
21:52 <@Lucifer> (I just can't stand the goth/emo attitudes, but goth chicks are freaking hot)
21:52 <@Lucifer> (even fat goth chicks are hot)
21:53 <Corn> how about fat goth men that you cant tell if they're girls or boys
21:53 <@Lucifer> if I can't tell, does it matter?
21:53 <Corn> im pretty sure it does
21:53 <@Lucifer> I can't see why
21:55 <Corn>  i think that killed the convo
21:56 <@Lucifer> no, we're just waiting for BabyBug to show us a picture of her belly piecing
21:56 <@Lucifer> we've all seen piercings, but a piecing is something new
21:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you can't have pictures of belly dancing...
21:56 <BabyBug> How would you know i'm belly dancing?
21:56 <BabyBug> lol
21:56  * Lizmatic has pictures of BabyBugs belly piercing
21:56 <@Lucifer> <BabyBug> Lucifer, i have a belly piecing!
21:57 <BabyBug> Lizmatic, I was in the bath! You can't belly dance in the bath ><
21:57 <Lizmatic> of course you can
21:57 <Corn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3L8sLbfCPs&NR=1 this dude can probably touch his nipples with his bangs
21:57 <BabyBug> no Lizmatic i can't =P
21:57 <BabyBug> It's
21:57 <BabyBug> oops
21:58 <BabyBug> damn enter button
21:58 <BabyBug> it's too slidey! :P
21:58 <@Lucifer> no, that guy has a mullet
21:58 <epsy> BabyBug, then when you fall it can go to youtube instead
21:58 <BabyBug> lol
21:59 <@Lucifer> Cornn must be male,, he doesn't know what bangs are
22:00 <BabyBug> epsy, a picture wouldn't capture the fall \o/
22:00 <epsy> do you often publish pictures on youtube?
22:00 <BabyBug> no..
22:00 <BabyBug> i never do
22:00 <epsy> right
22:00 <@Lucifer> no, but it would capture the look on your face right when you realize you're falling
22:00  * BabyBug smacks Lucifer 
22:00 <@Lucifer> I think epsy was offering you a pair of fuzzy handcuffs in exchange for a video on youtube of you falling in the bathtub
22:00 <epsy> lol
22:01  * BabyBug has enough fuzzy handcuffs tyvm =P
22:01 <Corn> bathtub + furry handcuffs
22:01 <Corn> = bondage drowning
22:02 <@Lucifer> Corn, just shut up.  Every time you talk, everybody stops talking.
22:02  * BabyBug agrees
22:03 <BabyBug> /kick Corn BYE!
22:03 <epsy> #capability list BabyBug
22:03 <@armabot> epsy: (capability list [<channel>]) -- Returns the capabilities present on the <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:03 <@Lucifer> oh well, I'm going to bed anyway
22:03 <BabyBug> night Lucifer
22:03 <Corn> dont let the babybugs bite
22:03 <BabyBug> or do...depending on how horny ya feeling =D
22:08 <Corn> see it wasnt me this time
22:14  * BabyBug <3's everyone except Lizmatic
22:14 <epsy> EXCEPT IN BED
22:18 <Lizmatic> =/
22:18  * Lizmatic goes to bed, totally depressed
22:18 <BabyBug> =P
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23:48 <Corn> .tea
23:49 <Corn> #armaservers
23:49 <@armabot> Corn: This data is 6 seconds old; Fortress Café (12/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (10/14), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (8/10), Best Server Ever (CTF) (7/8), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (7/14), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (7/12), Swampland Mud Puddle (6/8), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (6/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (6/16), The YELLOW (1 more message)
23:50 <Corn> Does anyone know the address for Fortress Cafe with custom connect
23:52 <Corn> or a way to find out
23:56 <Corn> #ping
23:56 <@armabot> pong
23:57 <BabyBug> Corn, armagetron.at 4539
23:58 <Corn> thanks

Log from 2009-01-03:
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00:06 <Corn> 1337 ping thats an accomplishment if anything
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00:12 <epsy> Corn:
00:12 <epsy> @sd -v cafe
00:12 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (10/32): %|% Corn, ( (P4@crazy-tronners.com), catberg, CTT_speed, epsy¦×¦ (epsy@x/member), Ju 87, LoRdVaDeR, nate, TheDiff, ~|DS|~ Judders
00:12 <epsy> note the -v
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00:13 <BabyBug> ca
00:13 <BabyBug> cafe crash?
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00:14 <Corn> #armaservers
00:14 <@armabot> Corn: This data is 3 seconds old; -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (12/12), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (12/12), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (10/14), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (8/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (7/10), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (6/14), Fortress Café (6/32), Best Server Ever (CTF) (5/8), Swampland Mud Puddle (1 more message)
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00:15 <Corn> i might of crashed it due to my obscene ping if so sorry
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00:26 <epsy> BabyBug, I am still connected
00:27 <epsy> I was
00:27 <epsy> (I just left)
00:27 <BabyBug> ?
00:28 <epsy> [23:13] <BabyBug>: cafe crash?
00:28 <BabyBug> =\
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [0] User 15 timed out.
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [15] BabyBug left Team blue.
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [15] Killing user 15, ping 0.0696892.
00:34 <epsy> z-man, right, I now tried 3 times to post about this, with no success..
00:35 <z-man> Well, he timed out. Nothing we can diagnose without recordings from both client and server.
00:36 <z-man> Sometimes it just happens that packets get lost over and over in the network itself.
00:36 <epsy> z-man, er no, it's not about BabyBug, it's about build-tagging
00:36 <BabyBug> and it's she*... *cough*
00:36 <z-man> oh.
00:36 <epsy> or whatever you call what shows up when armagetronad is prompted with --version
00:36 <z-man> to both of you :)
00:37 <z-man> epsy: what about it?
00:37 <luke-jr> back to the problem of gettign Svn rev info into Bzr?
00:37 <epsy> I'd like to propose this format:
00:37 <z-man> luke-jr: no, we won't get the svn revision into bzr.
00:38 <luke-jr> z-man: alpha #s are based on that info
00:38 <epsy> Unmodified(=empty diff + not diverged):
00:38 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}
00:38 <epsy> Unmodified + tagged:
00:39 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}_${tag}
00:39 <z-man> luke-jr: that's how we handled it so far. No harm in using bzr revisions instead, if it's properly marked.
00:39 <Corn> #echo test
00:39 <luke-jr> z-man: bzr rev numbers are meaningless
00:39 <@armabot> test
00:39 <epsy> Modified, or diverged:
00:39 <z-man> umm, the branch nick is determined locally.
00:39 <z-man> luke-jr: that's why epsy is proposing all that additional info.
00:39 <luke-jr> epsy also seems to miss the point that tags are unique, so ${tag} by itself is for a tagged one
00:39 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}_${buildDate}
00:40 <luke-jr> z-man: what additioal info?
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00:40 <epsy> now to the explanations..
00:40 <luke-jr> z-man: ${branchNick}_alpha${revno} is what we have right now
00:40 <luke-jr> but it only makes sense with svn
00:40 <z-man> shut up for a moment and let him explain, will you?
00:40 <epsy> 1/ tags being shows after revision:
00:40 <luke-jr> he did a few days ago ☺
00:41 <epsy> first off, tags in bzr seem to be way easier to handle than with svn
00:41 <z-man> not to me :)
00:41 <epsy> so I can expect people to use it more often, and not only for releases
00:41  * luke-jr coughs… tags in svn are trivial one-liners
00:41 <epsy> mainly to keep order sane on aabeta and elsewhere, i'd keep it to a suffix
00:42 <z-man> luke-jr: please, please stfu for a bit
00:42 <z-man> yeah, the version IDs in filenames need to be short.
00:43 <z-man> the "how the hell do I fetch the exact source of this build?" info can be long and can be included in the release.
00:43 <epsy> 2. branch nicks are not versionned, and that prevents merging a release series into another one accidentally
00:43 <epsy> (unlike one could currently do)
00:43 <epsy> but the problem is, indeed, that there will be trouble determining a sane branch nick
00:44 <epsy> (ie. we do not want trunk-armagetronad-work_alpha_r800
00:44 <z-man> well, we already have the major version number directly in the source, because indeed we have the same problem already.
00:44 <epsy> so yeah, that's why I didn't put that in already
00:44 <epsy> and well, that's where the superproject could help
00:45 <epsy> aand there was a third thing I now forgot about
00:45 <z-man> also, how does the build know whether a branch has been modified relative to the current official state?
00:45 <epsy> ah, yeah, that thing
00:46 <epsy> there's the bzr missing command, but it wont work if the branch's parent is not set properly
00:46 <epsy> if I remember correctly, what we should do is to only do that if tree is NOT a checkout
00:47 <z-man> Well, can't do a proper release if the pull location is not one of our official branches.
00:47 <epsy> (ie. if it's not bound)
00:47 <z-man> and the pull location is echoed by "bzr missing".
00:47 <epsy> otherwise, I *think* parent branch is set when branching
00:48 <epsy> well, yeah, but there still needs to be something that understands what is official branches or not
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00:48 <epsy> (branch nicks may help here)
00:49 <epsy> also, bzr missing returns 1 when branches diverged and 0 when they didn't, so we don't really have to parse the output
00:49 <epsy> except maybe for checking parent branch location
00:50 <epsy> but this should be done properly, ie. with the command to fetch branch metadata
00:50 <z-man> right now, everything starting with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/ would be official, I'd say.
00:50 <epsy> yes
00:50 <epsy> for the rest, we can just assume parent branch is right
00:51 <epsy> or we should use pull branch, if available
00:51 <z-man> Oh yeah, for fetching the exact source, just log the revision ID (the long internal one, not the number) somewhere. Those are unique.
00:52 <epsy> yeah, but that probably just can't fit in version
00:52 <z-man> No :) And it doesn't sort.
00:52 <epsy> it might find it's place along compiler options, and such, under some sort of build environnement thingy
00:53 <z-man> As I said, we have two problems: 1. get nice short build names with ascending numbers and 2. get back the source of a build.
00:53 <epsy> yep
00:53 <epsy> well, or know you can't get the source
00:53 <z-man> the revision ID completely solves 2. It even works even after merging.
00:54 <luke-jr> z-man: bzr has a long revision ID⁇
00:54 <luke-jr> nice
00:55 <epsy> not really available to someone external to the server staff, if we throw it along server build options
00:55 <luke-jr> sigh
00:55 <luke-jr> why don't we have every build include a MD5 of each source file, along with a MD5 of all those MD5s?
00:56 <luke-jr> then it's SCM-independent
00:56 <luke-jr> :þ
00:56 <z-man> just for a bit, I'm /ignoring luke. I'll /unignore him later.
00:56 <luke-jr> pfft
00:56 <luke-jr> I'm leaving now anyway
00:56 <z-man> We can add a /version chat command, how about that?
00:57 <z-man> The client could list the revision ID and other extended build info in the about page. I forgot what's already there :)
00:57 <epsy> wasn't there an exploit related to one specific compiler?
00:57 <epsy> well, /help version ?
00:57 <epsy> sounds more appropriate
00:57 <z-man> right.
00:58 <z-man> exploit?
00:58 <epsy> I told you not to use PGCC.
00:58 <epsy> or was it another one
00:58 <z-man> Ah, that :) Yes.
00:58 <z-man> Exceptions didn't work properly in PGCC.
00:59 <z-man> But PGCC is dead (well, merged into GCC) anyway and outdated, so no worries there any more.
00:59 <epsy> or you mean having version just contain some info on the source, but not build environnement info?
01:00 <z-man> We can't get all the build environment info there anyway. It's just too huge.
01:00 <epsy> yeah
01:00 <z-man> Plus, there's unlikely to be a big difference in the general outcome, so in those cases where there are relevant differences in build environments, we can just ask about them.
01:01 <z-man> Automating that is going to be more work than it saves us :)
01:01 <epsy> right
01:01 <z-man> (You can bet that we'll be omitting the one bit that matters anyway)
01:01 <epsy> heck yeah
01:02 <z-man> There's a small problem with using revision numbers to tag releases.
01:02 <z-man> (unignoring luke-jr here)
01:02 <z-man> They're not ascending in all cases.
01:02 <z-man> Say I go to a desert Island and commit 10 revisions there.
01:03 <z-man> I come back and while I was away, you committed 100 and pused them up.
01:03 <epsy> yeah, so diverged should be different
01:03 <z-man> I merge the official branch into my work branch and push the result.
01:03 <z-man> Tata, last revision ID goes down by 91.
01:04 <z-man> (Of course, then comes bazaarmagetron and reverses my merge, pushing the revision ID back up.)
01:04 <epsy> er wait
01:04 <epsy> yeah
01:05 <z-man> We could combat that problem even without bazaarmagetron with merge policies.
01:05 <z-man> It's always nicer to merge into a public branch than to merge from it, then push the result anyway.
01:05 <epsy> ${branchNick}_alpha_r${lca}_r{revno}
01:06 <epsy> (lca meaning last common ancestor)
01:06 <epsy> it's confusing but isn't DVCS confusing already?
01:06 <epsy> :)
01:06 <z-man> Or we could simly just tag versions by date again.
01:07 <epsy> yeah, and use lca instead of revno
01:07 <epsy> better, indeed
01:07 <z-man> I don't think you can find the lca locally, really.
01:08 <epsy> yeah, that's the thing I fear
01:08 <z-man> It's only known to the branch actively doing the merging, the regular work branches and their copies on LP don't know.
01:08 <epsy> but well, who's gonna see it, if the machine's cut off from the internet?
01:11 <epsy> I would need to check what bzr returns when cut from network, heh
01:11 <z-man> Yeah :)
01:11 <epsy> and in that case, just have it with "local" or something, somewhere....
01:13 <z-man> Hey, you could count the number of unique revisions in the branch.
01:14 <epsy> not when it is cut off from network
01:14 <z-man> bzr log --show-ids | grep revision-id | sort -u | wc -l
01:14 <z-man> Yes you can :)
01:15 <z-man> That should be an always increasing number (after refining the grep, of course). Merged revisions are listed, too.
01:16 <epsy> that sorts by date
01:17 <epsy> I don't get what that command does, except counting present revisions
01:18 <z-man> yes, precisely :)
01:18 <z-man> That's a number that increases over time for every branch.
01:18 <epsy> just like revision numbers
01:19 <z-man> They're not guaranteed to be increasing over time.
01:19 <z-man> Not with pure bzr, anyway.
01:20 <epsy> oh, that would count merged revisions that are tracked by bzr
01:20 <z-man> Right.
01:21 <z-man> I hope.
01:21 <epsy> why would we need that?
01:21 <z-man> It would also count people writing revision_id into their commit message, of course :)
01:21 <z-man> We need that because version IDs need to properly sort.
01:22 <z-man> You can't release r50 today, develop a bit, then release r49.
01:23 <epsy> that gives a bit of an idea of how far one revision is far from one other (here from rev 1) but that's all I can deduce
01:23 <epsy> far still being very relative
01:24 <z-man> Of course, but it's just for the filename tags.
01:24 <z-man> Their prime mission is to be short and increasing over time.
01:24 <epsy> buildtags?
01:25 <z-man> whatever you want to call them.
01:25 <epsy> if you have a better name for them, I'm all ears
01:26 <z-man> tags implies tags in the source control, so maybe just "build ids".
01:26 <epsy> but uhm, I don't get what's the point of counting revids(which is pretty much the same as counting revnos that appear)
01:27 <z-man> They're easier to grep for, I think.
01:27 <z-man> We could just as well simply take the number of lines of "bzr log".
01:28 <epsy> well yeah
01:28 <epsy> oh I get what you mean with revision count
01:28 <epsy> right
01:30 <epsy> that wont count merged revisions
01:30 <z-man> Local modifications are a bit of a problem with any system.
01:30 <z-man> If we both decide to make a build with one local modification, the'yd produce the same filename.
01:31 <epsy> butit's labelled with a date, which means it was changed anyway
01:32 <z-man> Hmm, right.
01:32 <epsy> (label sounds good, doesn't it?)
01:32 <z-man> yep.
01:33 <epsy> so yeah, we still keep on revno?
01:34 <z-man> no. just $(bzr log --short | wc -l).
01:34 <z-man> Quick and dirty :)
01:35 <z-man> oh wait, no
01:35 <epsy> hm, problem with this, is that it's quite of a one way algorithm
01:35 <z-man> no --short. That culls merges.
01:35 <epsy> it's almost as usable as the md5 hash of a revno
01:36 <epsy> but keeps order sane..damn
01:36 <z-man> That wouldn't be increasing over time :)
01:36 <z-man> And really, just cram the revision ID somewhere so it can be retrieved once the build is unpacked.
01:37 <epsy> so in /help version and in ... --versioninfo ??
01:38 <z-man> Sure.
01:38 <epsy> what about revision number? while it doesnt sort properly, it still helps our human beings
01:43 <epsy> it's sad, bzr revno was so easy to use :)
01:43 <z-man> the extended version info can contain all the crap we want.
01:43 <z-man> Build date, bzr revno, builder, compiler version, whatever.
01:44 <z-man> anyway, bedtime.
01:44 <epsy> good night
01:49  * BabyBug waves
01:49 <ct|kyle> #ctwf
01:49 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress.: Players (8/14): BotijoConRuedas, b°b°, Gnorty, MrChiCho, nogpin*, oGRy, pinnaple XPREZZ, [nc] jc.bot
01:49 <ct|kyle> I think more people like the old school now
01:50 <BabyBug> ?
01:50 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: have you been there this week
01:50 <BabyBug> yeh
01:50 <BabyBug> ?
01:51 <ct|kyle> it is old school
01:51 <BabyBug> what's the difference? :s
01:51 <ct|kyle> only 20 maps and with 7 players or less there is 32 axes chico
01:51 <BabyBug> ah
01:52 <ct|kyle> 19 rounds instead of 12
01:52 <ct|kyle> 10*
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01:57 <BabyBug> 32 axis suck.......
02:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: 32 axes is what it used to be, I pwn at it :)
02:00 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, it sucks
02:00 <ct|kyle> I really don't like 16
02:00 <ct|kyle> brake boos and 16 axes is what i don't like
02:00 <ct|kyle> boost*
02:01 <BabyBug> i dont like brake boost by 32 axis is too much =(
02:02 <BabyBug> i literally can't turn properly on it
02:02 <BabyBug> i stop pressing the buttons...but it's still turning ><
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03:14 <Sumoooo> Question:  To make me admin on my server supporting authentication:  What do I need?
03:14 <Sumoooo> Global_ID 1
03:14 <Sumoooo> What else?
03:14 <PinkTomato> and a server compiled with armathentication
03:14 <Sumoooo> Done :D
03:14 <Sumoooo> hey pink D:
03:14 <PinkTomato> hey Sumoooo :)
03:14 <Sumoooo> :D
03:15 <Sumoooo> whats the command for 1 admin 3 mod etc
03:15 <Sumoooo> i forgot
03:15 <PinkTomato> What do you mean?
03:15 <Sumoooo> Isnt there a command to make @name "#" that allows you admin?
03:15 <Sumoooo> when u login?
03:15 <PinkTomato> Oh how to make someone an administrator?
03:15 <Sumoooo> yah!
03:15 <Sumoooo> :D
03:16 <PinkTomato> #cfg USER_LEVEL
03:16 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
03:16 <PinkTomato> .cfg USER_LEVEL
03:16 <PinkTomato> tronner isn't here,
03:16 <Sumoooo> aww
03:16 <PinkTomato> anyway It's USER_LEVEL <<name>> <<level>> I think
03:17 <PinkTomato> the 3 important levels are 0,1 and 2
03:17 <PinkTomato> 0: Owner, 1:Administrator 2: Moderator
03:17 <BabyBug> When he says name he means.... Sumooo@forums for example...not just your arma name
03:18 <Sumoooo> i know :D thanks for the help you guys :D
03:18 <BabyBug> and gurls*
03:18 <PinkTomato> Ty BabyBug, I should have remebered that :)
03:18 <Sumoooo> and girl!
03:18 <Sumoooo> babybug!  Kim PINE????
03:18 <BabyBug> Whut?
03:18 <PinkTomato> i'm sure its no problem :)
03:18 <Sumoooo> who is babybug... not too many gurls that play tron
03:18 <Sumoooo> xD
03:19  * BabyBug is BabyBug
03:19 <PinkTomato> BabyBug is BabyBug :)
03:19 <BabyBug> jinx!
03:19 <Sumoooo> :o
03:19 <BabyBug> lalalala
03:19  * PinkTomato mmm!
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03:25  * PinkTomato mumbles: "good night"
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03:40 <epsy> lalalalal
03:40 <BabyBug> lalalalaa
03:40 <epsy> trunk-eevents_alpha_n698_20090103
03:40 <epsy> now that's actually wrong
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03:41 <epsy> Sumoooo, the example config file will *always* remember
03:42 <Sumoooo> hahaha
03:42 <Sumoooo> i love u eps
03:42 <epsy> it's iiiinn.......tadaadadadada.....config/ !
03:42 <Sumoooo> hey, any way to make my global ID hidden without using that crappy buggy new client wrtl made?
03:42 <BabyBug> hey! that's mean
03:42 <Sumoooo> sorry!  love much
03:43 <epsy> I agree we should lay off all of what's crap in armagetron to wrtlprnft
03:43 <epsy> well, you can use the alpha or build your own
03:43 <epsy> trunk-eevents_alpha_n707_20090103
03:43 <Sumoooo> otay
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03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk-armagetronad-eevent $ ../trunk/batch/make/version ../trunktrunk_alpha_n707_
03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk-armagetronad-eevent $ cd ../trunk
03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk $ ../trunk/batch/make/version .
03:45 <epsy> trunk_alpha_n742_
03:46 <epsy> first line are actually two lines
03:46 <epsy> but that's a little fuckt up
03:47 <epsy> woops, i forgot to specify directory in magic count
03:47 <epsy> or fool's number, whatever you call it
03:49 <BabyBug> epsy's number
03:49 <epsy> actually it's zman's
03:49 <epsy> i'll prefix it with z, it actually makes more sense than n
03:52 <epsy> darn I hate just basing myself on a program's stdout
03:53 <epsy> erm, please swap hate and just when reading
03:53 <BabyBug> :s
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04:39 <teabot> armablah: Tron for Peace <http://www.gregniemeyer.com/?p=45> || The Innovation Lover » GNU/Linux gamers, Cheers ! <http://www.sarathlakshman.info/2007/12/24/gnulinux-gamers-cheers/> || Arcade-style Multiplayer Games | Turing Uncomplete <http://blog.barrucadu.co.uk/2008/10/arcade-style-multiplayer-games/> || Software Packages in Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex", Subsection Games ... <http://ubuntuland.nireblog.com/post/2008/11/08/software-packages-in-ubun
04:43 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron Advanced <http://www.find-freebies.org/armagetron-advanced/> || Armagetron <http://free.macgames.jp/4230/armagetron/> || Viewing Pleasure <http://the-desert-is-coming.blogspot.com/2008/12/viewing-pleasure.html> || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A <http://vulnerabilities.aspcode.net/7989/Armagetron+0+2+6+0+and+earlier+and+Armagetron+A.aspx> || Open Source Software <http://mobile-trickz.blogspot.com/2008/11/open-sour
05:35 <epsy> guru3, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201720#201720
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06:28 <smoothice> luke-jr: Got a VPS and everything is working great for $10 a month
06:29 <smoothice> luke-jr: :D
06:30 <ivantis2> where you can have any amount of players, proving luke-jr's service is a rip off
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06:37 <luke-jr> smoothice: pfft
06:37 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
06:38 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:38 <Lucifer> #ping
06:38 <@armabot> pong
06:38 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:39 <smoothice> luke-jr: lol
06:39 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:39 <Lucifer> grrr
06:39 <smoothice> #fetch whatismyip.org
06:39 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: 'whatismyip.org' is not a valid url.
06:39 <smoothice> lolz
06:39 <smoothice> #fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:39 <@armabot> smoothice:
06:39 <smoothice> yay
06:40 <Lucifer> #fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:40 <@armabot> Lucifer:
06:40 <smoothice> #alias add myip fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:40 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:40 <smoothice> #myip
06:40 <luke-jr> …
06:40 <Lucifer> you notice it gave us both the same number?
06:40 <@armabot> smoothice:
06:40 <smoothice> yay
06:40 <smoothice> it works
06:40 <Lucifer> #myip
06:40 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 4 requests received from your IP address in the last 60 seconds (current max is 3 but automated agents should not query more often than once every 10 minutes)
06:41 <Lucifer> oh yeah, that's giving us wrtl's IP address, haha
06:41 <smoothice> lol
06:41 <luke-jr> duh
06:41 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:41 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: My VPS is fast and awesome
06:42 <luke-jr> smoothice: ok
06:43 <smoothice> luke-jr: Sorry I didn't subscribe to your services
06:43 <smoothice> luke-jr: I was just able to get a lot more for $10
06:44 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:44 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
06:44 <luke-jr> smoothice: not true ☹
06:45 <smoothice> luke-jr: Last time I checked I don't have root access to lightfoot
06:45 <luke-jr> smoothice: so?
06:45 <smoothice> Root access is a lot more for just $10
06:46 <smoothice> #list
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
06:46 <smoothice> #list Alias
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: monologue, roulette, #lags, #noob, #ratchet, /me, 42, aawiki, action, add, afl, aka, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, arrow, as, babel, ball, bigbrother, bigos, bing, botsnack, bounce, brb, bug, bye, bzr, c, cafe, cat, cfg, cfg2, chainfight, chatlog, check, cheers, cinf, cink, commands, cookie, corn, crashme, crazylate, ctos, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, (5 more messages)
06:46 <luke-jr> smoothice: meh, you'll see
06:46 <smoothice> ?
06:46 <Lucifer> #/me likes candy
06:46  * armabot likes candy
06:46 <smoothice> #botsnack
06:46 <@armabot> /me licks smoothice
06:46 <smoothice> #cookie
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: (cookie <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "send $1 a cookie".
06:47 <smoothice> cool
06:47 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:47 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
06:47 <smoothice> #more
06:47 <@armabot> smoothice: ddl, del, devhelp, dicht, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, disclaimer, dns, do, dofinger, dog, dong, donkey, doping, dorka, eds, eliza, emmy, epicfail, eroulette, f, fail, fastfood, fetch2, fight, finc, fink, flashyy, flerxytyme, fofo, fortune, freeciv, fuck!, g, gcalc, gfight, go, godtodd, going, goodbye, goodnight, grep, grep2, hd, hack, hell, hello, hey, hoop, hungary, hyphy, (4 more messages)
06:47 <Lucifer> #send smoothice a big fluffy teddy bear
06:47 <@armabot> I have sent a big fluffy teddy bear to smoothice, it should arrive shortly.
06:47 <smoothice> #send luke-jr better hosting services
06:47 <@armabot> I have sent better hosting services to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
06:48 <smoothice> luke-jr: I just brought up the idea.. armabot did it!
06:48 <smoothice> lol
06:50 <smoothice> Lucifer: why is armabot operator?
06:50 <Lucifer> #kick smoothice
06:50 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "Lucifer"]
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06:50 <smoothice> ok
06:50 <smoothice> I get it
06:50 <Lucifer> does that answer your question?  ;)
06:50 <smoothice> yep
06:50 <smoothice> very well thanks
06:50 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:51 <luke-jr> I don't? :/
06:51 <smoothice> #whoami
06:51 <@armabot> smoothice: I don't recognize you.
06:51 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:51 <Lucifer> you have to identify with armabot too
06:51 <luke-jr> #whoami
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Luke-Jr
06:51 <luke-jr> …
06:51 <smoothice> right...
06:51 <Lucifer> #admin capability add
06:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:51 <smoothice> moving right along :).....
06:51 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr kick
06:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:52 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:52 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:52 <smoothice> fail
06:52 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr #armagetron kick
06:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:52 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr op
06:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:52 <smoothice> This is bad...
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr op
06:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr channel op
06:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:53  * Lucifer doesn't get it
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <smoothice> so #admin op Luke-Jr
06:53 <luke-jr> #admin capability add luke-jr #armagetron,op
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:54 <smoothice> Lucifer: do #admin op Luke-Jr
06:54 <Lucifer> #last --from wrtlprnft --nolimit
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: [13:16:30] <wrtlprnft> regular players will spend far less time writing private messages to the gm, [13:16:12] <wrtlprnft> communication between wolves is still sort of limited, [13:09:54] <wrtlprnft> exactly, [13:09:47] <wrtlprnft> if anyone else wants to take her?, [13:09:25] <wrtlprnft> but how do the wolves vote?, [13:08:53] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually that might be an idea, and (1 more message)
06:54 <Lucifer> #more
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: [10:00:37] <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy done… at least till the next supybot upgrade.
06:54 <Lucifer> damn, he did it before the last restart
06:54 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr op
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:54 <luke-jr> try #admin capability add luke-jr #armagetron,op
06:54 <smoothice> #later tell PinkTomato Got my VPS. Works great all because of you. Thanks so much!
06:54 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr #armagetron,op
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:55 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "o hai thar"]
06:55 <Lucifer> aha!
06:55 <Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug #armagetron,op
06:55 <luke-jr> hm
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <luke-jr> why doesn't #kick do a real kick?
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias makeop "capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias add makeop "capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <Lucifer> #makeop smoothice
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias add makeop "admin capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> #makeop smoothice
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <smoothice> #kick Luke-Jr
06:56 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:56 <smoothice> >.<
06:56 <Lucifer> #alias add removeop "admin capability remove $1 #armagetron,op"
06:56 <smoothice> lol
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> heh
06:56 <smoothice> I don't care
06:56 <Lucifer> #list cookie
06:56 <smoothice> lol
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'cookie' is not a valid plugin.
06:56 <Lucifer> #cookie
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: (cookie <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "send $1 a cookie".
06:56 <Lucifer> #removeop smoothice
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> #removeop luke-jr
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:57 <Lucifer> luke-jr: try it agian, I want to see if the removeop worked :)
06:57 <luke-jr> -.-
06:57 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:57 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:57 <Lucifer> #makeop luke-jr
06:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:57 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:57 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "o hai thar"]
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06:57 <smoothice> I didn't know kicking _me_ would be fun
06:58 <smoothice> ivantis is onething
06:58 <smoothice> but
06:58 <smoothice> ME?
06:58 <luke-jr> oooooooo
06:58 <luke-jr> crap
06:58 <smoothice> ?
06:58 <luke-jr> ivantis is goen
06:58 <luke-jr> gotta wait
06:58 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:58 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:58 <Lucifer> and we had to test, and we appreciate you're allowing us to use you as a test dummy
06:59 <smoothice> [myip
06:59 <smoothice> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice:
06:59 <smoothice> muahaha
06:59 <luke-jr> ]alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyipv6.org
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <luke-jr> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">\n<html>\n <head>\n  <title>Index of /</title>\n </head>\n <body>\n<h1>Index of /</h1>\n<pre>      <a href="?C=N;O=D">Name</a>                    <a href="?C=M;O=A">Last modified</a>      <a href="?C=S;O=A">Size</a>  <a href="?C=D;O=A">Description</a><hr><hr></pre>\n</body></html>\n'
06:59 <smoothice> ????
06:59 <luke-jr> wtf
06:59 <smoothice> ljrbot: myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">\n<html>\n <head>\n  <title>Index of /</title>\n </head>\n <body>\n<h1>Index of /</h1>\n<pre>      <a href="?C=N;O=D">Name</a>                    <a href="?C=M;O=A">Last modified</a>      <a href="?C=S;O=A">Size</a>  <a href="?C=D;O=A">Description</a><hr><hr></pre>\n</body></html>\n'
06:59 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <smoothice> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice:
06:59 <luke-jr> ]alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyipv6.net
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <luke-jr> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '\n<html>\n<head>\n<title>What is my IP address? </title>\n<meta name="Keywords" content="IP,IPv4,IPv6, address, address translation, find ip address, ip addres, what ip, ip find, ipaddress, network, ip tools, ifconfig, ipconfig, ipv6 ping, ipv6 traceroute, ipv6 nmap">\n<meta name="Description" content="Easily find your IPv6 or IPv4 address with WhatIsMyIPv6.net. Resolve your ip address, (5 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: traceroute to your ip address, ping and much more.">\n<meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache">\n</head>\n<body>\n<div align="center">\n<table width=100%>\n<tr>\n<td ALIGN="center">\n\n<script type="text/javascript"><!--\ngoogle_ad_client = "pub-6465231351658432";\ngoogle_alternate_color = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_ad_width = 728;\ngoogle_ad_height = 90;\ngoogle_ad_format = (4 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: "728x90_as";\ngoogle_ad_type = "text_image";\ngoogle_ad_channel ="6170350300";\ngoogle_page_url = document.location;\ngoogle_color_border = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_color_bg = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_color_link = "000000";\ngoogle_color_url = "21507F";\ngoogle_color_text = "21507F";\n//--></script>\n<script type="text/javascript"\n (3 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">\n</script>\n\n\n\n<br />\n<br />\n\n<h1>Your IP is</h1></td></tr>\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center"><h3>Your host is wsip-98-172-136-230.om.om.cox.net</h3></td></tr>\n\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center">\n\n\n<br />\n<br />\nWhat Is My IPv6 .net. The fastest and easiest way\nto find out your IP (<b>IPv6</b> or <b>IPv4</b>) (2 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: address.\n</td></tr>\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center"><br />Tools: <a href="/">My IPv6/IPv4 address</a> - <a href="?s=IPv6_traceroute">Traceroute</a> - <a href="?s=IPv6_ping">Ping</a> - <a href="?s=browser_environment">Browser Environment Variables</a>\n\n<br /><br /><i>(As you are accessing this site through a IPv4 address, some advanced IPv6 features might not be available. <a (1 more message)
07:00 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
07:00 <luke-jr> stupid thing
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:00 <smoothice> IPv6 is for experienced people
07:00 <smoothice> I'm using IPv4
07:00 <smoothice> lol
07:00 <luke-jr> n00b
07:00 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:00 <smoothice> ]myip
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice:
07:00 <smoothice> then again, so is ljrbot
07:01 <smoothice> so ljrbot is inexperienced
07:01 <luke-jr> nope
07:01 <luke-jr> ljrbot is v6
07:01  * ljrbot agrees 100%
07:01 <smoothice> >.<
07:01 <luke-jr> [00:01:10] [Whois] ljrbot is n=supybot-@2002:46bb:1a76:0:2b0:d0ff:fe49:6b31 (Supybot 0.83.3)
07:01 <smoothice> ]myip
07:01 <ljrbot> smoothice:
07:01 <smoothice> see?
07:01 <luke-jr> smoothice: I see a broken web module
07:01 <Lucifer> broken concept, anyway
07:02 <smoothice> ]whois luke-jr
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "whois" is not a valid command.
07:02 <smoothice> ]web whois
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: The "Web" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "whois" in it.  Try "list Web" to see the commands in the "Web" plugin.
07:02 <Lucifer> smoothice: why do you want to know wrtlprnt's ip address, anyway?
07:02 <smoothice> ]list Web
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: No reason... just testing alias
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: don't worry... I'm not a DOSer
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: I am a conformist
07:02 <Lucifer> #netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:02:38 GMT
07:02 <smoothice> #netcraft http://luke.dashjr.org
07:03 <@armabot> smoothice: http://luke.dashjr.org was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:03:01 GMT
07:03 <Lucifer> oh good, google's found my website again, so now it's the first thing listed in search results for my name :)
07:04 <Lucifer> #google Dave Fancella
07:04 <@armabot> Lucifer: Search took 0.19 seconds: Bazaar branches related to Dave Fancella: <https://code.launchpad.net/~davefancella>; RPM shipped by Dave Fancella < dave @davefancella.com>: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Dave_Fancella__dave_davefancella.com_.html>; RPM shipped by Dave Fancella <davidfancella@davefancella.com>: (2 more messages)
07:04 <Lucifer> #more
07:04 <@armabot> Lucifer: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Dave_Fancella__davidfancella_davefancella.com_.html>; Dave Fancella - Meetup.com: <http://www.meetup.com/members/7995523/>; People at Savannah: Dave Fancella Profile [Savannah]: <http://savannah.nongnu.org/users/davidfancella>; Dave Fancella : ZoomInfo Business People Information: <http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Fancella_Dave_576301254.aspx>; Developer (1 more message)
07:04 <Lucifer> hmmm, why does that give me different results than my web browser?
07:05 <smoothice> #netcraft http://www.microsoft.com
07:05 <@armabot> smoothice: http://www.microsoft.com was running Microsoft-IIS on unknown when last queried at 30-Dec-2008 13:35:50 GMT
07:08 -!- GodTodd___ is now known as GodTodd
07:08 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Windows ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37514.shtml>
07:08 <smoothice> I don't understand teabot
07:08 <smoothice> What does teabot do?
07:08 <luke-jr> spams us
07:08 <smoothice> teabot: #netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:09 <smoothice> teabot: netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:09 <teabot> smoothice: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:02:38 GMT
07:09 <smoothice> That's its whole point?
07:09 <smoothice> Is to spam?
07:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: can you ping dessert.ath.cx for me?
07:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: since you live in TX
07:11 <Lucifer> PING dessert.ath.cx ( 56(84) bytes of data.
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=34.2 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com ( icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=34.1 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com ( icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=206 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com ( icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=90.9 ms
07:12 <smoothice> Which one is real?
07:12 <Lucifer> ?
07:12 <smoothice> probably 34
07:12 <smoothice> 206 cannot be
07:12 <smoothice> usual
07:12 <Lucifer> sure it can
07:12 <Lucifer> I get unusual lag in arma :
07:12 <Lucifer> :)
07:12 <Lucifer> wireless connection, two torrents, of course my ping will fluctuate
07:13 <smoothice> *jawdrops*
07:13 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
07:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 64.0°F (12:10 AM CST on January 03, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
07:13 <smoothice> #weather 000000
07:13 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
07:13 <smoothice> hha
07:13 <smoothice> fail
07:13 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
07:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in 78th Ave. & Seymour, Ralston, Nebraska is 34.2°F (12:09 AM CST on January 03, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002.6 hPa (Steady).
07:13 <smoothice> #weather 00000
07:13 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
07:13 <smoothice> fail
07:14 <luke-jr> yes, you fail
07:14 <GodTodd> they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results
07:14 <smoothice> GodTodd: 000000 ≠ 00000
07:14 <luke-jr> smoothice: wrong
07:14 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37516.shtml>
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07:14 <luke-jr> 000000 = 00000
07:14 <GodTodd> 0 <>0 ?
07:15 <smoothice> luke-jr: From a digit perspective
07:15 <smoothice> Lucifer: kick teabot?
07:15 <GodTodd> 0 = 0 as far as any math i've ever learned :)
07:15 <smoothice> GodTodd: from a digit perspective
07:16 <smoothice> #dns forums.armagetronad.net
07:16 <smoothice>  #dns armagetronad.net
07:16 <GodTodd> so....in math 00 is bigger or smaller than 0?
07:16 <@armabot> Host not found.
07:16 <GodTodd> has to be one or the other since they're different from a digit perspective. :)
07:16 <smoothice> GodTodd: I said "from a digit perspective"
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07:16 <GodTodd> so did i
07:18 <smoothice>  /shun GodTodd
07:19 <smoothice> #alias add shun say $1, you have been shunned.
07:19 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:19 <smoothice> #shun GodTodd
07:19 <@armabot> GodTodd, you have been shunned.
07:19 <GodTodd> oh, darn
07:20 <smoothice> #shun luke-jr
07:20 <@armabot> luke-jr, you have been shunned.
07:20 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice
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07:20 <smoothice> I knew this wouldn't be good
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: Do your servers run Ubuntu?
07:22 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac - Demo ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37518.shtml>
07:22 <luke-jr> smoothice: no
07:22 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is fail
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: L(
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: :(
07:22 <luke-jr> yes, Ubuntu is ☹ too
07:23 <smoothice> why is ubuntu fail?
07:23 <smoothice> I love Ubuntu
07:23 <luke-jr> it just is
07:23 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is dead leech weight
07:23 <smoothice> That's not a good reason
07:23 <luke-jr> Ubuntu just leeches off the Linux community
07:24 <luke-jr> nothing Ubuntu has that Debian does not
07:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: a nice company behind it
07:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: Canonical
07:25 <luke-jr> no, a leeching company
07:25 <luke-jr> Canonical doesn't contribute to the community
07:26 <smoothice> time to sleep :)
07:26 <smoothice> meh
07:26 <luke-jr> meh u
07:26 <smoothice> if Canonical leeches
07:26 <smoothice> then so does the owners of every other Debian-based distro
07:27 <luke-jr> not necessarily
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11:26 <Lucifer> heh, what are the chances I can talk them into a free bike for me?
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12:00 <PinkTomato> :'( btyacc, byacc, cl-yacc but no yacc :(
12:05 <PinkTomato> and the yacc you need is obviously the one without yacc in its name, bison :).
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12:17 <Lucifer> heh
12:17 <Lucifer> instead of asking for a free bike, I just asked them what kind of support they'd give me
12:18 <Lucifer> and a developer discount
12:19 <Lucifer> hm, my email bounced :(
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12:35 <Lucifer> where's Your_mom when you need him?  heh
12:35  * BabyBug slaps Lucifer 
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12:35  * Lucifer reminds himself that BabyBug is, in fact, below his minimum dating age, and suitably restrains himself
12:36 <BabyBug> psssht since when did age stop a bloke
12:36 <Lucifer> heh
12:36 <Lucifer> know anything about electronics?
12:36 <BabyBug> nooo
12:37 <Lucifer> I think hacking a mouse would be better, since I have a mouse port available on my machine
12:37 <BabyBug> Electricity is a flow of electrons! That's all i know
12:37 <Lucifer> heh
12:38 <Lucifer> I want to convert the mechanical switch of a mouse to an electrical switch triggered by a bicycle speed sensor
12:38 <BabyBug> O.o
12:38 <Lucifer> is it enough to just replace the mechanical switch with a transistor?
12:38 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201732#201732
12:38 <BabyBug> what's a transistor ^^
12:38 <Lucifer> er, it's kind of like an electrical switch
12:39 <Lucifer> I guess I'd need to know what sort of current is put out by the speed sensor
12:39 <Lucifer> aha, I'll ask in #electronics :)
12:40 <Lucifer> of course, after that, I'd still need an exercise bike, heh
12:44 <BabyBug> You so need a job
12:45 <Lucifer> hey, it's the weekend!
12:45 <BabyBug> yeh....you still need a job =P
12:46 <Lucifer> if that lady that wants me to work Jarrell actually sets me up with the job, then I'll probably just buy the pcgb mini
12:46 <Lucifer> but it would be cool to hack together a speed sensor contraption that works with a regular exercise bike
12:48 <BabyBug> wouldn't it be soooo much better to work on improving the game for everyone? :P
12:49 <Lucifer> I wonder if I'm well enough to work on 0.3.1 now
12:49 <BabyBug> ill is soooooooo not an excuse not to program
12:50 <Lucifer> I've been programming!
12:51 <Lucifer> what do you know, anyway?
12:51 <Lucifer> worked a bit on eugenics, and a bit on my accounting program
12:51 <Lucifer> will probably hit my accounting program again in the next few hours, I'd like to have a working register that can edit transactions pretty soon
12:52 <BabyBug> I know alot thank you very much!
12:52 <BabyBug> Now...program mister!
12:52 <BabyBug> (on arma)
12:53 <Lucifer> fine, I'm installing autopackage right now, so there!
12:54 <PinkTomato> It actually compiled...
12:54 <Lucifer> hmmm, anybody know if the ubuntu package stuff ever actually got put in the trunk?
12:54 <PinkTomato> if 0.2.8 had it, and now thats merged into trunk
12:54 <PinkTomato> won't that mean yes?
12:55 <Lucifer> no, because that stuff is in a separate module
12:55 <PinkTomato> oh, i see
12:55 <Lucifer> the only release you can build directly from a bazaar branch is a source release :)
12:56 <Lucifer> all other releases (binary packages) require the build module, which I think was renamed in the bzr switch
12:56 <Lucifer> and predictably, I haven't touched it since then
12:56 <Lucifer> (still waiting for autopackage to install)
12:56 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
12:57 <Lucifer> I suppose I should do a make distcheck before I do anything else
12:58 <BabyBug> Sooooo...What's stopping 0.3.1 being released right this second?
12:59 <Lucifer> being able to build packages for it
13:00 <Lucifer> i.e. windows installer, linux source, autopackage
13:00 <BabyBug> That's it...
13:00 <Lucifer> I seem to recall that's the bare minimum we all agreed on for a release off the trunk
13:00 <Lucifer> make distcheck ensures the source package can be released
13:00 <Lucifer> when I finish building and testing an autopackage, we'll have that
13:00 <Lucifer> then all that's left is being able to build the windows installer
13:01 <Lucifer> now, z-man, afaik, can build an autopackage for us, but we really need to stop depending on him for all release needs
13:01 <BabyBug> afaik??
13:01 <Lucifer> yeah, afaik
13:01 <BabyBug> >< what does it mean......
13:01 <Lucifer> trunk's moved around a bit, and he's stayed focused on 0.2.8
13:01 <Lucifer> "as far as I know"
13:01 <BabyBug> ah
13:02 <Lucifer> so, lemme get a build of libxml2 for the autopackage going, eh?
13:03 <BabyBug> Sure. You have 2 minutes!
13:03 <Lucifer> it'll take that long to download libxml2 sources!
13:03 <BabyBug> Fine! 4 minutes!
13:03 <Lucifer> it'll take at least 20 to build libxml2!
13:03 <BabyBug> 24 minutes then!
13:03 <Lucifer> 3.3 MB of compressed source code is scary
13:04 <Lucifer> but what else can youe xpect from GNOME?
13:05 <BabyBug> 3.2MB of compressed code maybe?
13:05 <PinkTomato> is GNOME not good?
13:05 <BabyBug> gnome rox yur sox!
13:05  * BabyBug is a gnome!
13:05 <PinkTomato> :) hehe
13:06 <Lucifer> GNOME is the biggest, bloatedest piece of crap on the internet, aside from WIndows itself
13:06 <PinkTomato> If you think GNOME is bloated
13:06 <BabyBug> It so isn't!
13:06 <PinkTomato> I would like to hear what you think KDE is
13:06 <Lucifer> slightly less bloated than GNOME
13:06 <Lucifer> :)
13:07 <PinkTomato> how ?
13:07 <Lucifer> ooo, gotta go build libxml2, can't join the flame war, sorry!
13:07 <PinkTomato> yeah, good idea :)
13:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that doesn't stop you talking!
13:07 <PinkTomato> You use XCFE then?
13:07 <BabyBug> (although yes get off the flame war)
13:07 <BabyBug> :D
13:07 <Lucifer> no, I use KDE
13:07 <PinkTomato> Ah right
13:08 <Lucifer> the real reason I don't like GNOME, besides their holier-than-though attitudes about use cases, is because GNOME uses GTK
13:08 <Lucifer> XFCE also uses GTK
13:08 <Lucifer> there's some guys in #qt that want to write a qt-based DE from scratch
13:09 <BabyBug> DE?
13:09 <BabyBug> Desktop Environment?
13:09 <Lucifer> yes
13:10 <BabyBug> What does KDE use?
13:10 <Lucifer> for some of us, the idea that a DE doesn't ahve to provide its own convoluted api is very seductive
13:10 <Lucifer> that someone could develop solely with qt and have perfect integration with the DE, for example, without having to resort to kdelib
13:10 <Lucifer> kde uses qt
13:11 <BabyBug> oh
13:11 <BabyBug> So what's qt then? :P
13:12 <BabyBug> i'm guessing it's not quicktime :o
13:12 <Lucifer> and, oh yeah, the DE itself would still be really fucking awesome, more awesomer than KDE4
13:12 <Lucifer> no, qt is a cross-platform GUI toolkit
13:12 <Lucifer> you can use PyQt4 if you like ;)
13:12 <BabyBug> ooo, i see
13:12 <BabyBug> So just an alternative to gtk?
13:12 <Lucifer> sure, except that qt predates gtk
13:12 <BabyBug> i get ya now
13:12 <Lucifer> and is much prettier and better-designed ;)
13:13 <Lucifer> gtk was written to provide a gui for the GIMP
13:13 <BabyBug> So you hate gnome because it doesn't use something that wasn't available at the time?
13:13 <Lucifer> no, there's more to it than that
13:13 <BabyBug> :P
13:13 <Lucifer> qt didn't used to be available under a GPL-compatible license
13:13 <Lucifer> so KDE was GPL, but it depended on a non-free library
13:13 <Lucifer> TrollTech, the company that makes qt, refused to release under a GPL-compatible license
13:14 <Lucifer> so two groups spawned
13:14 <wrtlprnft> (note that my hostname is not cloaked and armabot's isn't, either, so my ip is not really secret… or you could just resolve wrtlprnft.ath.cx)
13:14 <Lucifer> one took gtk from the GIMP and started working on GNOME, the other group took gtk and started wrapping it in a C++ library compatible with qt
13:14 <Lucifer> under significant pressure, TrollTech released qt under the GPL
13:15 <Lucifer> but by then, GNOME was already far enough along that the developers wanted to keep working on it, and thus the GNOME/KDE flame wars began
13:15 <Lucifer> anyway, until the last couple of years, the only reason to hate GNOME was gtk
13:15 <Lucifer> and gtk is a big reason to hate gnome, especially if you're already used to qt
13:15 <BabyBug> i seee...
13:15 <Lucifer> but in the last couple of years, the GNOME project has adopted a steadily increasing condescending attitude towards its users
13:16 <Lucifer> they're also MUCH more commercially oriented, and primarily American
13:16 <Lucifer> so you can see where the condescension comes from ;)
13:16 <BabyBug> heh
13:17 <Lucifer> gnome leaves a sour taste in my mouth, these days, but if I can't upgrade to KDE4, I'll start looking around
13:17 <Lucifer> I might join those guys in #qt ;)
13:18 <PinkTomato> yay, It compiled because I compiled the wrong folder!
13:19 <Lucifer> you built 0.2.8 instead?
13:19 <Lucifer> well, I'm a leave this running for a little while
13:19 <Lucifer> if it finishes, I'm probably going to ask folks here to test the packages for me ;)
13:19 <Lucifer> BabyBug: so be ready!
13:20 <BabyBug> Ready and waiting Lucifer!
13:20 <BabyBug> wrtlprnft, What was with the random comment earlier? lol
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13:29 <BabyBug> epsy!
13:29 <epsy> yes?
13:29 <BabyBug> Hiya =)
13:29 <epsy> hi
13:33 <z-man> Lucifer: all you need to do to build a good autopackage is to build libxml2 and libzthread with apgcc and set things up so that the arma build uses those. I'm using a customized .site file for auto* for that. Then, it's just a matter of "make autopackage" with the build module.
13:33 <Lucifer> heh, that's it?  ;)
13:33 <Lucifer> libxml2 won't install
13:33 <Lucifer> I suspect it's because apgcc isn't in root's path
13:34 <z-man> well, if you don't do special builds, you still can build an autopackage.
13:34 <z-man> It just won't be as backward compatible as it can possibly be.
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13:35 <Lucifer> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../src/swig/ext/armagetronad_wrap.cxx', needed by `distdir'.
13:35 <Lucifer> :)
13:35 <Lucifer> that's after "make autopackage"
13:35 <z-man> well, ok, then maybe the trunk source needs some work :)
13:36 <Lucifer> heh, rebuilding trunk real quick to see if it even works right now
13:36 <Lucifer> I just pulled, but it worked before I pulled
13:36 <epsy> why is (sn_)programVersion in network? :\
13:37 <Lucifer> hmmm, lots of broke-ass shit
13:37 <z-man> No special reason. It's the only place it was needed so far.
13:37 <Lucifer> what happened to the trunk?
13:37 <epsy> well, gotta move it to tools
13:37 <Lucifer> nvm, that was my problem ;)
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13:38 <Lucifer> I renamed the source dir, and configure didn't pick up the rename
13:39 <z-man> ah
13:39 <Lucifer> shouldn't be a problem for the build module, though
13:39 <Lucifer> I renamed it before running that :)
13:46 <Lucifer> what's supposed to be in tarballs/distmaker ?
13:48 <Lucifer> aha, it's make dist that's failing
13:59 <Lucifer> is zonesv2 built by default?
14:00 <epsy> yes
14:02 <Lucifer> #ubuntu
14:02 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
14:02 <Lucifer> I don't see ruby listed in there
14:02 <Lucifer> checking for ruby... ruby
14:02 <Lucifer> checking for library containing ruby_run... no
14:02 <Lucifer> configure: error: Ruby library not found.
14:03 <BabyBug> Why does arma need ruby? =\
14:03 <Lucifer> because ruby is sexy
14:03 <BabyBug> But why does it NEED it?
14:04 <Lucifer> wait a minute, I remember this error from something else
14:05 <Lucifer> grrrr
14:05 <Lucifer> says I have ruby
14:05 <BabyBug> wrong version or ruby? :P
14:05 <BabyBug> of*
14:07 <Lucifer> maybe
14:07 <Lucifer> there's a ruby-full package, I'll try that :)
14:08 <Lucifer> where's dlh when you need him?  heh
14:08 <Lucifer> BabyBug: see?  Can't even build a source package right now....
14:08 <BabyBug> It never picked up ruby1.9 for me, and i had to install ruby1.8
14:08 <Lucifer> that's what I'm installing right now, ruby1.8
14:09 <Lucifer> this is one of the times when I wish nemo was a python freak instead of a ruby freak
14:09 <Lucifer> oh yeah, and arma doesn't *need* ruby
14:09 <Lucifer> not yet, anyway
14:09 <Lucifer> but to build a source release, you have to have all the conditionally-built sources turned on
14:10 <Lucifer> ok, found ruby
14:11 <BabyBug> \o/
14:12 <Lucifer> #ubuntu
14:12 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
14:13 <Lucifer> ruby wasn't in 0.3.0 at all, was it?
14:13 <epsy> doubt it
14:14 <epsy> @8ball ruby wasn't in 0.3.0 at all, was it?
14:14 <teabot> epsy: Naturally.
14:14 <Lucifer> I'm starting to hate automake a lot, again
14:14 <Lucifer> it'll probably work if I run a regular build first, because that file gets built in a regular build
14:19 <BabyBug> it's been well over 24 minutes Lucifer
14:19 <Lucifer> I hit a snag
14:19 <Lucifer> as expected ;)
14:19 <BabyBug> well then you should of added that to the time!
14:20 <Lucifer> heh, I could just quit and let *you* build it
14:20 <BabyBug> fine!
14:21 <BabyBug> actually not fine...i can't install ftgl :P
14:21 <Lucifer> heh, you'll need to do that anyway....  eh?
14:22 <BabyBug> hrmm? what?
14:22 <Lucifer> z-man: have you tried to build ftgl with apgcc and statically link it?
14:23 <Lucifer> well, if we could link statically to ftgl in the autopackage, you wouldn't need to install ftgl
14:23 <BabyBug> true
14:23 <BabyBug> But, i'm confused why 0.3.0 works fine...
14:24 <Lucifer> hmmm, it uses ftgl too, right?
14:24 <BabyBug> i thought it does?
14:24 <BabyBug> Don't ask me though
14:24 <BabyBug> lol
14:24  * Lucifer doesn't remember, it may not
14:24 <Lucifer> er, yeah, I think it kinda has to
14:24 <BabyBug> how would one find out? :P
14:24 <Lucifer> configure and see if it checks for ftgl ;)
14:25 <Lucifer> this build is taking forever, I'll bbiab
14:26 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yup it need ftgl
14:27 <BabyBug> but it fails to find it :)
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14:48 <epsy> ...
14:52 <PinkTomato> teabot is slow?
14:53 <epsy> teabot is dumb
14:53 <epsy> AND SLOW
14:53 <PinkTomato> poor teabot :(
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15:53 <teabot> armablah: the next level « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/the-next-level/>
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16:04 <PinkTomato> #si worm game
16:04 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Solo Fortress & The Worm Game: Players (5/8): .dBd|Me, luke-jr, R£P>PinkTomato, TWG (test@dashjr.org), |Evil Chips
16:05 <Corn> How does that thing work
16:05 <PinkTomato> no idea, I can't get it working
16:05 <PinkTomato> the solo fort is good though
16:06 <Corn> TWG = Luke right?
16:06 <Corn> or a bot or something
16:06 <Corn> nevermind
16:07 <PinkTomato> luke-jr server
16:07 <PinkTomato> TWG is a bot that dosen't really need to be there
16:08 <Corn> @sd -v cafe\
16:08 <teabot> Corn: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe\\” at the moment, sorry.
16:08 <PinkTomato> .tea
16:08 <PinkTomato> #tea
16:08 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
16:08 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
16:08 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (0/32):
16:08 <Corn> tea is nice but it doesnt display all the info
16:08 <PinkTomato> true
16:08 <Corn> for example if i want to custom connect tea doesnt help
16:09 <PinkTomato> ah yeah
16:09 <Corn> @sd worm
16:09 <teabot> Corn: Solo Fortress & The Worm Game: Players (6/8): .dBd|Me, luke-jr, R£P>PinkTomato, TWG (test@dashjr.org), |Evil Chips, |x| $ubzero
16:09 <PinkTomato> all these IRC bot commands should be put on  the wiki I think
16:09 <PinkTomato> might come in handy
16:09 <BabyBug> @help
16:09 <teabot> BabyBug: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:09 <Corn> They should
16:09 <BabyBug> @list
16:09 <teabot> BabyBug: Alias, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Math, Misc, Nickometer, Poll, QGoogle, Quote, RSS, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Web
16:09 <BabyBug> no there
16:09 <PinkTomato> but you need to know the command for help?
16:10 <PinkTomato> @list alias
16:10 <teabot> PinkTomato: monologue, /me, 8ball, aawikis, action, add, aka, armaservers, as, bop, bzr, c, calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc, caps, cctld, cupofteaplease, date, drantin, g, google, kickban, lastseen, linkafl, linkbrawl, linkfff, linkformat, linkladle, linkom, linktst, lock, logs, lp, ls, lukejrwork, man, moar, nb, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, r, rape, remove, replace, rot1, sd, (1 more message)
16:10 <PinkTomato> oh i see
16:10 <Corn> why would you need to know " calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc"
16:10 <BabyBug> @calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc
16:10 <PinkTomato> he was online only for half a second last time
16:11 <teabot> BabyBug: The number of seconds Durka can stay online on irc = 30
16:11 <Corn> ls stands for list correct?
16:11 <PinkTomato> @rape
16:11 <teabot> PinkTomato: (rape <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo [action rapes $1] [kick $1] [success]".
16:12 <PinkTomato> @cupofteaplease
16:12 <teabot> Certainly, it would be a pleasure seeing as you asked so nicely.
16:12 <Corn> @rape PinkTomatoes for stealing his woman
16:12 <teabot> Corn: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:12 <Corn> i dont have the capability to rape someone?
16:14 <Corn> @8ball
16:14 <teabot> Corn: The answer is a resounding no.
16:14 <Corn> i guess 8ball doesnt think i can rape people either
16:15 <PinkTomato> #lukejrworks
16:15 <@armabot> ♪ are obsolete. ♫
16:15 <PinkTomato> huh?
16:15 <Corn> Does PinkTomato deserve to die?
16:15 <Corn> @8ball
16:16 <teabot> Corn: You're kidding, right?
16:16 <PinkTomato> aw :D
16:16 <Corn> How about now?
16:16 <Corn> @8ball
16:16 <teabot> Corn: _I_ don't know.
16:16 <Corn> Haha hes leaning my way
16:17 <PinkTomato> what if I gave Corn custard? would he change their mind?
16:17 <PinkTomato> @8ball
16:17 <teabot> PinkTomato: Unlikely.
16:17 <Corn> He speaks the truth
16:17 <PinkTomato> lol :)
16:17 <Corn> Will Lucifer come in here in a matter of seconds telling me to stfu?
16:17 <Corn> @8ball
16:18 <teabot> Corn: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
16:18 <PinkTomato> oo dear
16:18 <PinkTomato> They were doing some difficult autopackage thingy
16:18 <Corn> psychic powers my ass
16:18 <PinkTomato> not heard in a while
16:19 <Corn> Teabot are you a evil python minion?
16:19 <Corn> @8ball
16:19 <teabot> Corn: Come again?
16:19 <Corn> Does python suck?
16:19 <Corn> @8ball
16:19 <teabot> Corn: It is so.
16:19 <PinkTomato> oo be careful teabot
16:20 <Corn> How about bzr?
16:20 <Corn> @8ball
16:20 <teabot> Corn: NO!
16:20  * PinkTomato agrees with teabot :D
16:21 <Corn> teabot, do you love me?
16:21 <Corn> @8ball
16:21 <teabot> Corn: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:21 <teabot> Corn: The answer is a resounding no.
16:21 <Corn> Aww...
16:21 <PinkTomato> evil thing
16:21 <Corn> Teabot your suppose to lie about those sorts of things
16:21 <PinkTomato> #impregnate
16:21 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (impregnate <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo /me fertilizes $1".
16:22 <Corn> #impregnate teabot
16:22 <@armabot> /me fertilizes teabot
16:22 <Corn> haha now you have to love me
16:22 <Corn> ok thats pretty awkward
16:22 <Corn> 2 bots copulating
16:22 <PinkTomato> yeah..
16:23 <Corn> teabot, are you going to get an abortion
16:23 <Corn> @8ball
16:23 <teabot> Corn: The answer is certainly yes.
16:23 <PinkTomato> aww
16:25 <Corn> Teabot, does PinkTomato really love you in secret and you've been having affairs without anyone knowing?
16:25 <Corn> @8ball
16:25 <teabot> Corn: Come again?
16:25 <PinkTomato> lol :D
16:26 <Corn> It should say 'Cum again?'
16:26 <PinkTomato> xD
16:26 <PinkTomato> I think BabyBug is regretting telling us alias :D
16:27 <Corn> haha
16:27 <Corn> is that true teabot, the all seeing eye?
16:27 <Corn> @8ball
16:27 <teabot> Corn: What are you asking me for?
16:27 <Corn> lrn2read teabot
16:27 <PinkTomato> fine then teabot
16:27 <PinkTomato> #eightball
16:27 <@armabot> PinkTomato: No clue.
16:28 <PinkTomato> well that was a disappiontment
16:28 <Corn> Teabot do you feel undermined by PinkTomato and sad and angry that he would replace you with the very bot that impregnated you?
16:28 <teabot> Corn: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:28 <Corn> @8ball
16:28 <teabot> Corn: No clue.
16:29 <Corn> You guys are hopeless
16:29 <PinkTomato> yeah :(
16:29 <Lucifer> Corn: shut the fuck up
16:30 <Corn> Why did you not warn me of this teabot?
16:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did autopackage work?
16:31 <Corn> Maybe you should ask teabot, supposibly he knows everything
16:31 <PinkTomato> hehe ;)
16:33 <Corn> @list alias
16:33 <teabot> Corn: monologue, /me, 8ball, aawikis, action, add, aka, armaservers, as, bop, bzr, c, calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc, caps, cctld, cupofteaplease, date, drantin, g, google, kickban, lastseen, linkafl, linkbrawl, linkfff, linkformat, linkladle, linkom, linktst, lock, logs, lp, ls, lukejrwork, man, moar, nb, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, r, rape, remove, replace, rot1, sd, (1 more message)
16:33 <Corn> @moar
16:33 <teabot> Corn: serverdetails, serverscores, si, ss, sty, tea, test, tourneys, tstservers, unlock, vectron, what, wtf, and x
16:33 <Corn> @wtf is wtf
16:33 <teabot> ivantis sucks!
16:34 <Corn> Tru dat
16:34 <BabyBug> Corn, commands work in PM so you don't have to spam the channel.
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16:46 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, there are problems in the trunk
16:46  * BabyBug cuddles Lucifer 
16:47 <PinkTomato> ah I see,  :)
16:47 <Lucifer> the problem is that make dist doesn't work, heh
16:47 <Lucifer> so I went and watched some star trek instead
16:48 <PinkTomato> :) sounds more fun
16:48 <hang3r> the trunk of armagetron has always been borked
16:48 <Lucifer> heh
16:48 <hang3r> if that's what you are talking about
16:48 <PinkTomato> its getting better
16:48 <Lucifer> hang3r: yes, but not code, it builds and runs just fine
16:48 <PinkTomato> it dosen't moan at ruby anymore
16:48 <BabyBug> it does not run just fine!!
16:49 <BabyBug> it segfaults on the browser list!
16:49 <Lucifer> no, wait, it doesn't build if you --enable-ruby
16:49 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I can't replicate that....
16:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer, upgrade ftgl then :P
16:49 <Lucifer> but then arma will segfault on the browser list, why would I want to do that?
16:49 <Lucifer> you said 0.3.0 doesn't segfault there, right?
16:49 <BabyBug> Right
16:50 <Lucifer> can you run the trunk through gdb and get a backtrace?  or did somebody already do that?
16:50 <Lucifer> you just do:
16:50 <BabyBug> epsy already did it
16:50 <Lucifer> gdb ./src/armagetronad_main
16:50 <BabyBug> It's on the bug report
16:50 <Lucifer> ah, ok
16:50 <Lucifer> oh, then I have an email with the bt in it
16:50 <BabyBug> he wrote a one liner explaining why it's happening aswell i think
16:50 <BabyBug> or rather, when it's happening
16:51 <Lucifer> why didn't he write a one-liner that fixes it?
16:51 <BabyBug> he's never done ftgl before
16:51 <BabyBug> (i think)
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16:59 <BabyBug> the fact that it works fine in 0.3.0 and not trunk suggests it's not an FTGL bug though...right?
17:00 <PinkTomato> 0.3 != trunk?
17:01 <BabyBug> 0.3.0 was a snapshot of the trunk at somepoint...I think....
17:01 <BabyBug> And that worked fine...
17:01 <BabyBug> But now the trunk doesn't
17:01 <PinkTomato> oh that branch, I know what you are talking about
17:01 <BabyBug> which means it's something they've done!!
17:01 <PinkTomato> :D
17:01 <PinkTomato> they sswitched from std::string
17:01 <PinkTomato> to tstring
17:02 <PinkTomato> that sounds pretty crucial
17:13 <PinkTomato> #ubuntu
17:13 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
17:14 <smoothice> #ubuntu
17:14 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
17:17 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=30950#30950
17:18 <hang3r> I'm almost certain their are more build dependencies to build armagetron than that
17:19 <BabyBug> awwwwwww =(
17:19 <PinkTomato> hang3r: I believe there is, but they are dependencies of the dependy line
17:19 <PinkTomato> wait that made no sense, I mean, dependencies of dependencies
17:20 <PinkTomato> awww, no gluggsel :(
17:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, that makes perfect sense
17:20 <BabyBug> ftgl-dev depends on libftgl2 and libftgl-dev for example
17:20 <BabyBug> so it drags them in
17:21 <PinkTomato> But you said that much more clearer than me :)
17:21 <BabyBug> lol
17:21 <smoothice> So what's the scoop? What do I need to build armagetronad on Ubuntu?
17:21 <hang3r> that's allright, when you are seekin help and you join #help, you get redirected to #freenode, you then tell them your life has gone to shit, they tell you to join #defocus of which you have to wait for a voice before you can actually chat
17:21 <hang3r> woot
17:21 <hang3r> life is awesome
17:22 <PinkTomato> hmm, Im still wondering how I got banned from #ubuntu-uk
17:22 <BabyBug> O.o
17:22 <BabyBug> lol?
17:23 <PinkTomato> I have never been there
17:23 <PinkTomato> I installed xchat the other day, default room
17:23 <PinkTomato> bit odd seeing you are banned
17:23 <smoothice> will sudo apt-get install build-essential automake libboost-dev libxml2-dev  bison pkg-config autoconf autotools-dev bzr
17:23 <smoothice> work to compile amragetron on ubuntu?
17:23 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, someone else called sam using sky ISP maybe?
17:23 <BabyBug> * #ubuntu-uk Banlist: Fri Sep  5 10:17:04 *!*n=sam@*.bb.sky.com ballard.freenode.net
17:24 <PinkTomato> that was ages ago
17:24 <BabyBug> what was ages ago?
17:24 <PinkTomato> Sep 5
17:24 <BabyBug> That's when the ban was set
17:24 <PinkTomato> that's a long ban
17:24  * BabyBug shrugs
17:24 <PinkTomato> well damn them
17:24 <BabyBug> shall i try get you unbanned? :P
17:25 <PinkTomato> I think its OK, I can just use #ubuntu if i need it :)
17:27 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: i thought i'd tell you because else you'd probably never see it
17:27 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, edit your post and say "BabyBug sends you a kiss and a cuddle" plzzzz =P
17:28 <BabyBug> and newp i wouldn't of, ty xx
17:28 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: done
17:28 <BabyBug> thank yooh :D
17:29 <epsy> his post?
17:30 <BabyBug> yes epsy, his post :P
17:35 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok
17:35 <PinkTomato> smoothice: cd in and ./bootstrap.sh
17:35 <smoothice> k
17:36 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok Done!  You may now run configure and start building.
17:36 <smoothice> now
17:36 <smoothice> for the prefix
17:36 <PinkTomato> are you compiling with armathentication?
17:36 <smoothice> Can I have all this
17:36 <smoothice> nope
17:36 <smoothice> but
17:37 <smoothice> Can this all be self-contained in a folder
17:37 <PinkTomato> yeap
17:37 <PinkTomato> its probably the best way to do it on a server
17:37 <smoothice> ok
17:37 <PinkTomato> ./configure --prefix=/etc/arma --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:38 <PinkTomato> that's my configure line
17:38 <smoothice> will it create the folder in the prefix
17:38 <smoothice> If it isn't already created?
17:38 <PinkTomato> it'll do all that for you when you make install
17:38 <epsy> you install arma in /etc ??
17:39 <PinkTomato> epsy: what's better?
17:39 <BabyBug> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=30950#30950 <--- That post epsy
17:39 <epsy>  /usr/local ? /opt ?
17:39 <PinkTomato> epsy: someone might what to change the wiki if thats not a logical place then
17:39 <BabyBug> /home/$USER/ ftw!
17:40 <smoothice> how about /root/armagetronservers/sty
17:40 <epsy> does a wiki article say this?
17:40 <epsy> you don't want arma to be run as root..do you?
17:40 <BabyBug> smoothice, you should really run the servers as root...
17:40 <BabyBug> shouldn't*
17:40 <PinkTomato> um...
17:40 <smoothice> so....
17:40 <PinkTomato> thats on my TODO
17:40 <smoothice> lol
17:40 <smoothice> Is Racing II run as root?
17:40 <epsy> @aawikis /etc/arma
17:40 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Running_Multiple_Servers_on_a_single_Linux_computer - Running Multiple Servers on a single Linux computer - Armagetron ...
17:41 <PinkTomato> thats the page epsy
17:41 <PinkTomato> the actual scripts don't work well though
17:41 <epsy> what the FUCK??
17:41 <smoothice> :O
17:41 <PinkTomato> OK, epsy dosen't sound impressed
17:41 <smoothice> Glad I didn't run that...
17:42 <PinkTomato> hence why I said come here :)
17:42 <smoothice> olol
17:42 <smoothice> I'll work on apache vhosts while you guys have a fit
17:42 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
17:42 <smoothice> be back soon after the f**k**g is done!
17:42 <teabot> armacommits: [old-glancing] r745 Merge with trunk...
17:43 <smoothice> PinkTomato: is Racing II run as root?
17:43 <epsy>  .. /etc/arma/bin/ .. lol
17:44 <smoothice> lol
17:44 <smoothice> whatever
17:44 <BabyBug> smoothice, if someone actually managed to hack the arma server...They could have root access to your server if you ran arma as root...
17:44 <smoothice> ok
17:44 <smoothice> That would... sink
17:44 <smoothice> stink
17:44 <PinkTomato> epsy: the bash script, shouldn't that be start <<servername>> <<start|stop>>
17:45 <BabyBug> yes smoothice that would stink :P
17:45 <epsy> first off, all this shouldn't be in /etc
17:45 <BabyBug> /home/$USER/arma/ \o/
17:45 <smoothice> Should I make a new user for arma
17:45 <smoothice> adduser <username>
17:45 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I have several users, all using the same arma :)
17:45 <PinkTomato> smoothice: I guess so :)
17:46 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok
17:47 <epsy> right that's fixt
17:47 <epsy> brb
17:47 <BabyBug> you missed a bit epsy :P
17:47 <PinkTomato> epsy missed a few bits
17:48 <PinkTomato> no wait, just one bit
17:48 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok made new user
17:48 <smoothice> for arma
17:48 <epsy> ..like..WHAT bit?
17:49 <PinkTomato> you'ld still need to compile as root me thinks
17:49 <BabyBug> epsy, Ctrl+F /etc/arma
17:49 <PinkTomato>  I have choose to install it in /etc/arma
17:49 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, compile as a normal user. make install as root
17:49 <epsy> unless you install in your own directory
17:50 <BabyBug> or that
17:50 <PinkTomato> ok, then smoothice you'll need to mv sty /home/armagetron/sty
17:51 <smoothice> ok
17:51 <PinkTomato> and then chown armagetron:armagetron sty ?
17:51 <smoothice> I'll just rebranch
17:51 <PinkTomato> or do that :)
17:52 <PinkTomato> I can still su <<user>> though? that's not bad practice is it?
17:52 <smoothice> yeah
17:52 <smoothice> su works
17:55 <PinkTomato> >> Port can be from 4534 to 4540... that's not correct is it ?
17:55 <BabyBug> port can be anything that's not taken
17:55 <smoothice> ./configure --prefix=/home/armagetron/armagetronservers/sty --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:55 <PinkTomato> that's what i thought
17:56 <smoothice> Correct?
17:56 <BabyBug> 4534 to 4540 are the ports that get scanned for the LAN browser
17:56 <BabyBug> so for LAN games it's advisable to use those ports :P
17:56 <PinkTomato> ah I see :)
17:56 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ./configure --prefix=/etc/arma --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:56 <smoothice> oops
17:56 <PinkTomato> smoothice: that sounds correct to me
17:56 <smoothice> ok
17:56 <smoothice> epsy?
17:57 <PinkTomato>  --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-initscripts << I don't think you need these
17:57 <smoothice> wait
17:57 <PinkTomato> I don't know what they do, except --disable-initscripts
17:57 <smoothice> you have enable-armathenication?
17:57 <smoothice> you use armathenication?
17:57 <PinkTomato> Yeah, its the future of arma
17:58 <smoothice> ok
17:58 <smoothice> whatever lol
17:58 <PinkTomato> makes everything more safe
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17:58 <PinkTomato> and easier to manage
17:58 <PinkTomato> if you want userlevels, go for it
17:58 <PinkTomato> you probably get yelled at if you don't compile with it ;)
17:58  * BabyBug pokes Lucifer... When will armathentication be enabled by default?
17:59  * epsy is pretty much in favor of just dropping non-authentication builds
17:59 <epsy> sooner or later
18:00 <BabyBug> there must be something wrong with it at the moment though? for it not to be enabled?
18:00 <PinkTomato> lan games work better without auth
18:00 <epsy> but well, for now i'd say it should be enabled wthout auth
18:00 <epsy> PinkTomato, as long as server is configured properly
18:01 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't really know what it's waiting for at this point
18:01 <Lucifer> I've been out of the loop, heh
18:01 <BabyBug> oh
18:01 <PinkTomato> I think an add_admin <<user>> <<password>> would solve my lan game concern though
18:02 <epsy> it's more or less complete, except that you can't clear eUserConfigs
18:02 <PinkTomato> oh and that please :)
18:02 <epsy> PinkTomato, local_user user pass
18:02 <PinkTomato> ah that's two commands
18:02 <PinkTomato> then you need to user_level
18:02 <epsy> PinkTomato, user_level user level
18:02 <epsy> that's two different actions
18:03 <BabyBug> eUserConfigs?
18:03 <PinkTomato> people in lan games want one action
18:03 <Lucifer> ok, pushing it to the trunk
18:03 <BabyBug> pushing what to trunk?
18:03 <smoothice> PinkTomato: done configuring
18:03 <Lucifer> armathentication enabled by default
18:03 <smoothice> "make" and "make install" ?
18:03 <BabyBug> O.o
18:03 <BabyBug> \o/
18:03 <Lucifer> I don't know any reason it shouldn't be enabled by default there
18:03 <PinkTomato> make && make install
18:03 <epsy> BabyBug, these includes ACCESS_LEVEL, RESERVE_SCREEN_NAME and AUTHORITY_LEVEL
18:03 <BabyBug> woooo go Lucifer!
18:03 <BabyBug> epsy, ahhhh :)
18:04 <PinkTomato> smoothice: go grab a coffee or tea, your choice, it'll be a while
18:04 <smoothice> oops
18:04 <smoothice> I did make && make instal
18:04 <smoothice> lol
18:04 <Lucifer> now I'll go post about my problems trying to build test packages
18:04 <smoothice> It'll break at make instal
18:04 <PinkTomato> just type it when its done :)
18:04 <smoothice> ok
18:05 <epsy> *if* my setting structure change gets in, there shouldn't be any problem about this anymore, since it would be handled on a lower level(where it belongs IMO)
18:05 <PinkTomato> RESERVE_SCREEN_NAME < that action works?
18:05 <epsy> yes
18:05 <epsy> beware of typos
18:05 <epsy> i always stuff a R after reserve
18:05 <PinkTomato> I assume that reserves screen name for logged in user
18:05 <epsy> exactly
18:05 <BabyBug> lol epsy
18:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: make finished... make installfinishes
18:06 <smoothice> finished
18:06 <PinkTomato> cd into the bin directory
18:07 <PinkTomato> ./armagetron-dedicated
18:07 <smoothice> armagetronad-dedicated  armagetronad-dedicated-uninstall
18:07 <smoothice> w00t
18:07 <epsy> ct|kyle, the style of quote blocks changed, didn't it?
18:07 <smoothice> yes!
18:07 <smoothice> it works!
18:07 <PinkTomato> and I'll try connecting to atlanta047.ath.cx
18:07 <smoothice> ok
18:11 <epsy> how is that under competitions? http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18930
18:12 <epsy> Lucifer, um, can you move that?
18:12 <Lucifer> no, sorry
18:12 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
18:12 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (0/32):
18:12 <epsy> Corn, I'm up for half an hour
18:12 -!- hang3r [n=nathan@ppp59-167-115-251.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
18:12 <Corn> nah i cant really play on it i have 1200 ping wherever i go
18:12 <smoothice> PinkTomato: w00t
18:12 <Corn> just wanted to spec
18:13 <epsy> damn you..giving me false hopes Oo
18:13 <Corn> satelite connection :P
18:13 <epsy> haha
18:13 <Corn> im in pink's server with 1137 ping
18:13 <epsy> how that?
18:14 <Corn> @ls corn
18:14 <teabot> Corn: %|% Corn seems to be on {PinkTomato}  Fortress Server right now.
18:14 <Lucifer> oh, my push failed, oops
18:15 <epsy> darn me assigning stuff to \n
18:15 <Corn> i was playing fort last night and judders asked me how i was even playing :o
18:15 <smoothice> @ls SmOoThice~NW
18:15 <teabot> smoothice: SmOoThice~NW seems to be on internalDrive -=- iD Tech Racing! right now.
18:15 <BabyBug> Do the forums have an rss feed?
18:15 <epsy> nope
18:15 <BabyBug> someone add an rss feed to the forums
18:15 <BabyBug> and then epsy add it too teabot
18:15 <Lucifer> ooo, I'll bet it's a zthread issue
18:16 <epsy> well, phpbb can't do that
18:16 <PinkTomato> >< forum flood
18:16 <BabyBug> Just new topics!
18:16 <BabyBug> Not new posts
18:16 <PinkTomato> curl it
18:16 <PinkTomato> every half hour
18:16 <PinkTomato> somehow
18:16 <epsy> and if we'd change forum software it would be for milestone 0.4, with the rest of the website
18:16 <smoothice> cron
18:16 <smoothice> cron job!
18:17 <BabyBug> it's not changing forum software..it's adding on!
18:17 <BabyBug> :P
18:17 <epsy> I've touched to phpbb code and I don't want to ever do that again
18:17 <Corn> i heard its a bitch to hack
18:17 <epsy> totally
18:17 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has joined #armagetron
18:17 <BabyBug> There's bound to be an RSS addon done already ><
18:17 <smoothice> luke-jr: can you use svnserve with multiple SVN repos?
18:18 <epsy> it's pretty much the same with almost every forum software out there
18:18 <epsy> and no, pre-made addons aren't better, it's adding code you dont know about to code you dont know about
18:18 <epsy> if I had to choose another forum software to switch to, it'd be bbpress, really
18:19 <smoothice> bbpress?
18:19 <epsy> there you can be happy
18:19 <smoothice> IPB rulesz
18:19 <epsy> IPB is not free
18:19 <epsy> doeqs not support plugins
18:19 <smoothice> so?
18:19 <epsy> do we want to promote unfree software? no
18:19 <epsy> especially when we can promote fresh free software that does 100× better
18:19 <smoothice> phpbb!
18:20 <epsy> phpbb SUCKS
18:20 <BabyBug> agreed
18:20 <smoothice> :(
18:20 <BabyBug> punbb \o/
18:20 <epsy> same
18:20 <BabyBug> liar
18:20 <smoothice> Powered by a camel and phpBB © 2001-2004 phpBB Group
18:20 <PinkTomato> its more that there is no other choice
18:20 <Lucifer> phpbb was written by all the asshats that post incompetent hacks in the php docs
18:20 <smoothice> punbb then?
18:20 <epsy> it looks lighter, but even the webpages are wrongly done
18:20 <PinkTomato> does the open source community like anyone?
18:20 <epsy> punbb ftl..
18:20 <smoothice> What's the best forum software then?
18:21 <smoothice> free
18:21 <BabyBug> Python Forum FTW!
18:21 <epsy> bbpress can do about as much as phpbb, just ... done correctly??
18:21 <Corn> I want to impregnate python
18:21 <epsy> #impregnate python
18:21 <@armabot> /me fertilizes python
18:21 <smoothice> #shun epsy
18:21 <PinkTomato> armabot has been busy..
18:21 <@armabot> epsy, you have been shunned.
18:22 <Corn> clearly armabot refuses
18:22 <PinkTomato> problem is, all these forum clones, they all have loyal small followings
18:22 <BabyBug> agreed!
18:22 <smoothice> forums.armagetronad.net
18:22 <smoothice> Apache/2.0.61 (Unix) PHP/4.4.7 mod_ssl/2.0.61 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 Phusion_Passenger/2.0.3 DAV/2
18:23 <smoothice> Phusion_Passenger?
18:23 <akira_arma> http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/googles-ai-quest-to-become-god-on-earth/
18:23 <epsy> loyal small followings ?
18:23 -!- Corn [n=Corn@] has quit ["Leaving"]
18:23 <epsy> bbpress is not a clone of anything
18:23 <PinkTomato> its a clone of the first person that thought up the idea of a forum
18:24 <PinkTomato> but not directly a clone in the programming sense
18:24 <epsy> oh dear..
18:24 <PinkTomato> ;)
18:24 <epsy> can we fast forward to
18:24 <BabyBug> Can we just fast forward to
18:24 <epsy> oh no! HTC was there before!
18:24 <BabyBug> Agree to disagree?
18:25 <PinkTomato> epsy: I only used the wrong word, and then attempted to justify it
18:25 <Lucifer> er, are zones v2 still not built by default?
18:25 <epsy> they are..
18:25 <epsy> PinkTomato, forum..software?
18:25 <Lucifer> ah, they are
18:26 <Lucifer> is there any real reason to keep the option to not build zones v2?
18:26 <PinkTomato> that was the word i was after :)
18:26 <epsy> probably to only build zones v1
18:26 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I thought zones 2 was incompatiable with zone1?
18:26 <epsy> well, it's both on
18:26 <epsy> depends on version specified by maps
18:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: makes sense
18:26 <Lucifer> yeah, the incompatibility that prevented us from releasing some time ago was that a trunk client couldn't play on a 0.2.8 server
18:27 <Lucifer> but that's fixed now
18:27 <epsy> PinkTomato, no, really, bbpress is a forum software of choice
18:27 <PinkTomato> it was an old forum post admittably ;)
18:27 <epsy> huh?
18:27 <epsy> BabyBug, also, new topics doesnt make much sense to me
18:28 <BabyBug> epsy, Why?
18:28 <epsy> because it's generally the replies to the topic which matters, not the topic itself?
18:29 <epsy> the other way around is rather blog-ish
18:29 <Lucifer> I just want threaded forum software
18:29 <epsy> oh dear no..threaded discussions are a pain to read
18:29 <BabyBug> well from the point of view from a person who doesn't read the forums, but occasionally sees interesting topics linked here...
18:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: Threaded?
18:29 <Lucifer> where, in a particular topic, replies are threaded too, rather than having a long list of replies
18:29 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: like how slashdot does it
18:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I have seen that done
18:29 <epsy> maybe with only 1 level of threading, but it stops here
18:30 <epsy> Lucifer, I wouldn't like to have that on each topic
18:30 <Lucifer> no!  you need at least 3 to be able to track them
18:30 <Lucifer> that's because you're weird :)
18:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: like that: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Board=btsupplier&Number=3530867&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=0&fpart= ?
18:30 <Lucifer> I setup my email client to thread every folder except my inbox :)
18:30 <epsy> it takes hours to read them
18:30 <Lucifer> no, it means you don't have to spend hours to read shit you don't want to read
18:30 <epsy> same here, inbox included
18:30  * BabyBug disagrees with Lucifer
18:31 <PinkTomato> good forum software lets you choose I guess
18:31 <epsy> yep, I don't want to read threaded comments
18:31 <epsy> bbpress lets you choose
18:31 <Lucifer> well that's terrible threading
18:31 <epsy> and I'd rather turn it off anyway
18:31 <Lucifer> that's threading done WRONG
18:31 <PinkTomato> oh yeah
18:31 <PinkTomato> for threading to work
18:31 <PinkTomato> you need to not have a choice
18:32 <PinkTomato> unless you run some a small patch to catch quotes
18:32 <PinkTomato> smoothice: on an armagetron-related note, how is the compile going?
18:32 <Lucifer> http://drupal.org/node/353741  <--- threading done RIGHT
18:33 <smoothice> PinkTomato: It worked, remember lol?
18:33 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/Lucifer1.png
18:33 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Oh yeah! hehe :D
18:33 <epsy> because one picture is worht a thousand words..
18:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that works...
18:33 <Lucifer> epsy: I clicked over to the link already provided, but thanks :)
18:33 <Lucifer> I said "like slashdot"
18:33 <PinkTomato> the problem is people don't think like threads
18:33 <Lucifer> I shoudl ahve said "like slashdot if you browse at -1"
18:34 <epsy> if it repeated the merssage's parent each time it is not visible I'm fine
18:34 <Lucifer> wel, with threading, you don't have to quote the parent anymore, it's obvious what you're replying to
18:34 <PinkTomato> surely though, you would always be replying to a topic related in the parent, so you shouldn't need threading
18:35 <Lucifer> a lot of threads try to break down into several related conversations
18:35 <PinkTomato> new tagents should be new thread
18:35 <epsy> Lucifer, yes, but the parent is too far away, still
18:35 <Lucifer> look at any release thread on the arma forums
18:35 <Lucifer> not tangents, different related conversations to the topic
18:35 <Lucifer> we try to get all posts on a particular topic confined to a thread, like in release threads
18:35 <PinkTomato> I see, new arma relase dosen't compile
18:35 <epsy> by the way, I have a test forum here: http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/bbpress/
18:35 <Lucifer> we do it for a reason
18:35 <PinkTomato> and you want to reply just to that
18:36 <PinkTomato> making that into a thread would make sense
18:36 <epsy> well, one level threading just does that fine
18:36 <Lucifer> right, but there could easily be 20 different topics under the release work thread
18:36 <smoothice> PinkTomato: be right back
18:36 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
18:36 <Lucifer> no, it doesn't
18:36 <BabyBug> epsy, How is there 1 post in AAAAA but 0 topics?
18:36 <Lucifer> a lot of converstaions in the original 0.3.1 thread were largely lost, and it was a real pain to reread the thread to get my bearings on 0.3.1
18:36 <epsy> because I did something wrong :P
18:36 <Lucifer> wtf is AAAAA?
18:37 <Lucifer> oh, epsy's forum test ;)
18:37 <epsy> 5 times the first letter of the alphabet
18:37 <PinkTomato> doesn't phpbb suffer that as well?
18:37 <PinkTomato> post dosen't go down when post deleted?
18:38 <epsy> well, that's an alpha, I hope they fixed it anyway
18:39 <epsy> BabyBug, that's fixt
18:40 <Lucifer> ah, epsy's having verb conjugation problems again, poor guy
18:40 <Lucifer> don't they make a pill for that?
18:40 <epsy> Lucifer, by the way, you can even have support threads
18:41 <epsy> I herd cyannure culd worke
18:41 <Lucifer> I'm just curious, maybe I missed the beginning of this conversation (ok, I did miss it)
18:41 <Lucifer> but are you trying to sell us on moving the arma forums to something else?
18:41 <epsy> BabyBug started it with her RSS feed :D
18:42 <epsy> but if I had to choose, bbpress would be my choice (now if you trust me or not because of this, that's something else)
18:42 <BabyBug> aye...I was saying the forums needed an rss feed Lucifer =P
18:43 <BabyBug> and then epsy started sounding like he was hired by bbpress
18:43 <Lucifer> no, he wasn't, he's just french, they all sound like that
18:43 <BabyBug> ahhh yeh
18:43 <BabyBug> keep forgetting that
18:43 <Lucifer> if it were my choice, it'd be drupal
18:43 <PinkTomato> would IRC threading work?
18:43 <BabyBug> How would one implement that exactly? lol
18:43 <Lucifer> no
18:44 <Lucifer> no way to track exactly what someone's responding to
18:44 <Lucifer> it works on forums because you click a "reply" link on a particular post
18:44 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: It would have to be a new protocol, which is not good
18:44 <BabyBug> unless every single thing gets given a random ID number...and you type /reply number message!
18:44  * Lucifer waits for luke-jr to tell us xmpp can do it
18:44 <PinkTomato> I was thinking one window views all like IRC
18:44 <PinkTomato> but no input
18:45 <PinkTomato> and then you can /join a window with an ID
18:45 <epsy> well, you join a channel
18:45 <epsy> one changes topic
18:45 <epsy> the channel splits in two
18:45 <epsy> etc etc
18:45 <Lucifer> the topic never changes here
18:45 <PinkTomato> but that wouldn't work for ubuntu for example
18:45 <BabyBug> arguably IRC does have threading... #armagetron and #armagetron.tourneys
18:45 <BabyBug> Threading!!
18:45 <epsy> the *converstation* topic
18:45 <epsy> BabyBug, that's merging, actually
18:45 <BabyBug> that's threading!
18:45 <PinkTomato> theres no global view that way though
18:45 <Lucifer> #armagetron.tourneys was a merge
18:46 <BabyBug> it's a thread!
18:46 <BabyBug> how is it a merge?
18:46 <epsy> #afl, #arma.fff, #arma-ladle -> #armagetron.tourneys = merge
18:46 <Lucifer> you need some way to note what you're saying to a particular topic
18:46 <epsy> that's what channels are for
18:46 <Lucifer> epsy had the bright idea of mergin all those channels when he noticed all the same players played all the different tourneys anyway
18:47 <epsy> haha
18:47 <PinkTomato> there was more than one .tourney?
18:47 <Lucifer> now, why the fuck is this particular file still getting into the makefile?  :(
18:47 <epsy> PinkTomato, [17:46] <epsy>: #afl, #arma.fff, #arma-ladle -> #armagetron.tourneys = merge
18:48 <PinkTomato> Oh I understand now, good idea :D
18:48 <Lucifer> apparently I don't remember what make diist is suppposed to do
18:48  * BabyBug helps Lucifer along a little
18:49 <epsy> that's a good start
18:49 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
18:49 <Lucifer> well, it's hard to troubleshoot something when you don't actually know what the something is doing
18:49 <epsy> hello smooth~1
18:49 <smoothice> hi epsy~1
18:49 <Lucifer> anyway, I hacked the makefile to remove the file that was breaking it to see if  that was the only problem, and now it's building the fucking game!
18:49 <epsy> erm no, it's not epsy~1
18:49 <PinkTomato> what's with 8.3 names?
18:49 <Lucifer> I guess I should go fart around for awhile
18:50 <epsy> very good idea
18:50 <BabyBug> bad idea!
18:50 <epsy> unless teabot thinks otherwise
18:50 <epsy> @8ball is that a good idea
18:50 <teabot> epsy: No chance.
18:50 <smoothice> #alias add fart say I farted.
18:50 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:50 <epsy> ah, well
18:50 <smoothice> #fart
18:50 <@armabot> I farted.
18:50 <epsy> LOLOL!
18:50 <smoothice> #alias add farton say I farted on $1.
18:50 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:50 <smoothice> #farton epsy
18:50 <@armabot> I farted on epsy.
18:50 <epsy> LOLOLOL!
18:50 <epsy> it's all lies
18:50 <Lucifer> #alias add fart "me farts on $1"
18:50 <smoothice> lol
18:50 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <epsy> girls dont fart
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart smoothice
18:51 <epsy> i think it's /me
18:51 <Lucifer> duh
18:51 <epsy> witht the /
18:51 <Lucifer> #alias add fart echo "me farts on $1"
18:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart epsy
18:51 <@armabot> me farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> er
18:51 <smoothice> lol
18:51 <epsy> #alias add fart "/me farts on $1"
18:51 <Lucifer> #me farts on epsy
18:51 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <epsy> #me
18:51 <Lucifer> what happened to the me alias?
18:51 <epsy> #/me
18:51  * armabot 
18:51 <smoothice> #alias add die say I died.
18:51 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <smoothice> #die
18:51 <BabyBug> #action farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> ah
18:51  * armabot farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart epsy
18:51  * armabot farts on epsy
18:52 <Lucifer> #fart BabyBug
18:52 <PinkTomato> #fart me
18:52  * armabot farts on BabyBug
18:52  * armabot farts on me
18:52 <smoothice> #die
18:52 <epsy> teabot, go open the window please
18:52 <Lucifer> you know what, this is just a really bad fart joke
18:52 <BabyBug> that's the last time i help you Lucifer!!
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias remove fart
18:52 <PinkTomato> @thank
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <epsy> LOL
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: There is no such alias.
18:52 <smoothice> #myip
18:52 <@armabot> smoothice:
18:52 <smoothice> muahaha
18:52 <BabyBug> #lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:52 <epsy> #alias add fart ignore
18:52 <BabyBug> arf
18:52 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias add fart echo Please don't tell stupid fart jokes.
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <epsy> Lucifer, now you can lock
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <smoothice> #fart
18:52 <@armabot> Please don't tell stupid fart jokes.
18:52 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <smoothice> #alias remove fart
18:53 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: That alias is locked.
18:53 <smoothice> awww
18:53 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <smoothice> #farton epsy
18:53 <@armabot> I farted on epsy.
18:53 <smoothice> muahahah
18:53 <Lucifer> #alias add farton ignore
18:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:53 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <Lucifer> #alias lock farton
18:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <BabyBug> #alias lock fart*
18:53 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <BabyBug> would that work?
18:53 <epsy> nope
18:54 <BabyBug> armabot fails then
18:54 <epsy> code your own bot BabyBug
18:54 <Lucifer> what do you expect from a bot written in python?
18:54 <BabyBug> fine!
18:54 <epsy> I'll be happy to use it (or not)
18:54 <smoothice> Lucifer: farts
18:54 <BabyBug> I'll code a great one in python!
18:54 <epsy> :)
18:54 <Lucifer> #kick smoothice smart ass
18:54 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "smart ass"]
18:54 <BabyBug> (how complicated is the irc protocol?)
18:54 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
18:54 <smoothice> Do you mind?
18:54 <epsy> I know nothing to python, but you can import the irc
18:54 <Lucifer> no, I don't mind at all
18:55 <smoothice> *sigh*
18:55 <smoothice> whatever
18:55 <PinkTomato> #ptfort
18:55 <Lucifer> #roulette
18:55 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
18:55  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:55 <epsy> haha
18:55 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
18:55 <smoothice> #roulette
18:55 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
18:55 <PinkTomato> alias add ptfort si "{PinkTomato}  Fortress Server"
18:55 <PinkTomato> #alias add ptfort si "{PinkTomato}  Fortress Server"
18:55 <epsy> #success
18:55 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <epsy> fail
18:55 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <Lucifer> er
18:55 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <PinkTomato> aw, am I not allowed alias?
18:56 <epsy> @roulette
18:56 <smoothice> lol
18:56 <epsy> too bad
18:56 <smoothice> #alias add ptfort "PinkTomato Fortress"
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <epsy> @roulette
18:56 <smoothice> #ptfort
18:56 <Lucifer> what's the variable to get the user name that requested the alias?
18:56 <smoothice> $user
18:56 <epsy> $who
18:56 <smoothice> oh
18:56 <smoothice> lol
18:56 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo $user is trying to cheat!
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:56 <@armabot> n=satan is trying to cheat!
18:56 <epsy> lol
18:56 <Lucifer> no, not that one
18:56 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo $nick is trying to cheat!
18:56 <smoothice> #alias add kickepsy kick epsy
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:56 <smoothice> #kickepsy
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer is trying to cheat!
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:57 <smoothice> awww
18:57 <Lucifer> #alias lock roulete
18:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:57 <epsy> #kickepsy
18:57 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:57 <epsy> bug :D
18:57 <BabyBug> #kickepsy
18:57 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BabyBug"]
18:57 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has joined #armagetron
18:57 <BabyBug> O.o
18:57 <BabyBug> oops
18:57 <epsy> LOL!
18:57 <Lucifer> #admin capability add epsy #armagetron,op
18:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:57 <smoothice> fail
18:57 <BabyBug> sorry!
18:57 <epsy> #whoami
18:57 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
18:57 <BabyBug> lol
18:57 <epsy> wont work until wrtl finally resets my account or adds my hostmask to it
18:58 <PinkTomato> do you need to be special to add alias'?
18:58 <smoothice> #alias add whoisbabybug whoami BabyBug
18:58 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:58 <smoothice> #whoisbabybug
18:58 <@armabot> smoothice: (whoami takes no arguments) -- Returns the name of the user calling the command.
18:58 <BabyBug> #alias remove kickepsy
18:58 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
18:58 <BabyBug> far too tempting =x
18:58 <smoothice> lol
18:58 <BabyBug> and the alias spam is getting a bit too much :P
18:59 <smoothice> yeah
18:59 <smoothice> so
18:59 <smoothice>
18:59 <smoothice> WHEN?
18:59 <smoothice> No pressure
18:59 <smoothice> :P
18:59 <BabyBug> #alias remove whoisbabybug
18:59 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
18:59 <epsy> Lucifer, or perhaps if you are able to run #hostmask add epsy n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
18:59 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy
18:59 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That hostmask is already registered.
19:00 <BabyBug> fail
19:00 <epsy> you forgot the last part
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy' is not a valid hostmask.  Make sure your hostmask includes a nick, then an exclamation point (!), then a user, then an at symbol (@), then a host.  Feel free to use wildcards (* and ?, which work just like they do on the command line) in any of these parts.
19:00 <epsy> smoothice, when we stop with stupid fart jokes, TWG and start working on .2.8
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'epsy@unaffiliated/epsy' is not a valid hostmask.  Make sure your hostmask includes a nick, then an exclamation point (!), then a user, then an at symbol (@), then a host.  Feel free to use wildcards (* and ?, which work just like they do on the command line) in any of these parts.
19:00 <smoothice> epsy: TWG?
19:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <epsy> yeah, that
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:01 <epsy> #whoami
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Lucifer_arma
19:01 <smoothice> #success
19:01 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
19:01 <PinkTomato> Lol
19:01 <Lucifer> smoothice: if it makes you feel any better, I'm working on 0.3.1 right now
19:01 <BabyBug> epsy, that was an epic fail command
19:01 <epsy> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Error: That hostmask is already registered.
19:01 <smoothice> Lucifer: why not 2.8.3?
19:01 <epsy> #hostmask remove epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:01 <Lucifer> ok, now I'm running make distcheck and expecting it to fail
19:02 <Lucifer> that's probably not terribly smart, is it?
19:02 <BabyBug> Not really Lucifer
19:02 <epsy> Lucifer, ping, you still entered the wrong line
19:02 <epsy>   #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
19:02 <epsy> heh, I probably logged you out
19:02 <Lucifer> #hostmask remove epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:03 <smoothice> how do I make my IRC hostname n=smoothice@unaffiliated/smoothice?
19:03 <Lucifer> haha, I just realized what I did
19:03 <epsy> did that already
19:03 <Lucifer> that's funny :)
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, ask a staffer
19:03 <smoothice> staffer?
19:03 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer
19:03 <BabyBug> your sloooooow today :P
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, did you register your nick?
19:03 <smoothice> epsy: yes
19:03 <Lucifer> BabyBug: hey, I was watching my make distcheck
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, go in #freenode and ask a staffer to set an unaffilated cloak on you
19:03 <epsy> (on your nick)
19:03 <smoothice> ok
19:04 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that's no excuse for giving epsy for control of armabot!
19:04 <BabyBug> :P
19:04 <BabyBug> full*
19:04 <epsy> luci does not have full control of armabot, afaik
19:04 <Lucifer> I can't see any reason epsy shouldn't have control of armabot, and I don't have full control of armabot anyway
19:04 <Lucifer> I mean, all epsy would do is make armabot surrender
19:04 <BabyBug> oh stupid technicalities
19:04  * Lucifer is in an odd mood right now
19:04 <BabyBug> Now ya just trying to cover up embarrasing mistakes by saying they're right =P
19:05 <epsy> Lucifer, can you please log in to armabot and allow me to finally get my account working right :x
19:05 <Lucifer> #whoami
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Lucifer_arma
19:05 <epsy> #whoami
19:05 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
19:05 <Lucifer> I can't do it, apparently
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Lucifer!n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask add
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:06 <Lucifer> #hostmask remove
19:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:06 <BabyBug> #help hostmask
19:06 <@armabot> BabyBug: (hostmask [<nick>]) -- Returns the hostmask of <nick>. If <nick> isn't given, return the hostmask of the person giving the command.
19:06 <Lucifer> I'm scared now
19:06 <BabyBug> #admin hostmask
19:06 <BabyBug> doh
19:06 <Lucifer> epsy: I don't think I can do it for you
19:06 <Lucifer> #help hostmask add
19:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: (hostmask add [<name>] [<hostmask>] [<password>]) -- Adds the hostmask <hostmask> to the user specified by <name>. The <password> may only be required if the user is not recognized by hostmask. If you include the <password> parameter, this message must be sent to the bot privately (not on a channel). <password> is also not required if an owner user is giving the command on behalf of (1 more message)
19:06 <epsy> grm
19:07 <Lucifer> you have to do it for yourself, eh?
19:07 <Lucifer> #admin capability add epsy hostmask,add
19:07 <BabyBug> epsy, don't you know the password?
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:07 <Lucifer> #list admin
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
19:07 <Lucifer> #list owner
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
19:07 <epsy> Lucifer, I can't, lost my password, eh
19:07 <Lucifer> #list user
19:07 <Lucifer> #list
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
19:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
19:08 <epsy> except if you can set my password
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19:08 <PinkTomato> can't you unregister and then register?
19:08 <PinkTomato> oh wait
19:08 <epsy> um
19:08 <PinkTomato> I see the flaw
19:08 <PinkTomato> sorry
19:08 <epsy> I can't unregister no
19:08 <Lucifer> epsy: I can't, but wrtlprnft can
19:08 <Lucifer> you have to be an owner to do that, apparently
19:08 <epsy> well, let's head for the 3rd try
19:09 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft can you *please* run #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:09 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:09 <Lucifer> automake is fucking stupid
19:09 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no it's not!
19:09  * Lucifer hates automake
19:09 <Lucifer> yes it is
19:09 <Lucifer> look at this:
19:09 <BabyBug> not!
19:09 <epsy> it's better than autopython
19:10 <Lucifer> autom4te: cannot create autom4te.cache: Permission denied
19:10 <Lucifer> why was permission denied?
19:10 <Lucifer> well, look at what it put in the fucking tarball:
19:10 <Lucifer> dr-xr-xr-x 17 dave dave     4096 2009-01-03 12:02 armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103
19:10 <Lucifer> now, does that make any sense?
19:10 <epsy> lol
19:10 <Lucifer> now I have to check it by hand, or figure out why it did that in the tarball in the first place
19:10 <epsy> it's a disguised sudoers file
19:11 <Lucifer> well, I can't check it by hand, because....
19:11 <Lucifer> grrr
19:11 -!- smoothice is now known as smoothice_
19:11  * BabyBug knows how to fix it!
19:12 <epsy> BabyBug saves the day
19:12 -!- smoothice_ is now known as smoothice
19:12  * BabyBug actually has no idea.......
19:12 <epsy> (time for her to time out)
19:12 <BabyBug> lol
19:13 <smoothice> epsy: thanks
19:13 <smoothice> epsy: it worked
19:13 <epsy> #last --from epsy --with smoothice
19:13 <@armabot> epsy: [19:03:49] <epsy> smoothice, go in #freenode and ask a staffer to set an unaffilated cloak on you
19:14 <Lucifer> it got even worse when I looked inside the directory
19:14 <epsy> ah, yw
19:14 <smoothice> lol
19:14 <Lucifer> I suspect a problem on my machine, now
19:14 <PinkTomato> :(
19:14 <PinkTomato> permissions are annyoying
19:14 <BabyBug> sudo chmod -R 777 /
19:14 <BabyBug> \o/
19:14 <PinkTomato> lol :D
19:15 <Lucifer> sudo echo BabyBug, shut the fuck up!
19:15 <epsy> and then you will see it will be even more annoying
19:15 <epsy> and don't talk about making sandwhiches
19:15 <BabyBug> =(
19:15 <Lucifer> heh
19:15 <Lucifer> epsy: make me a sandwich
19:15 <epsy> -actually, I'd make myself one
19:15 <epsy> #kick Lucifer
19:15 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:15 <Lucifer> haha
19:16 <Lucifer> #kick epsy you need to remember your armabot password!
19:16 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "you need to remember your armabot password!"]
19:17 <BabyBug> Now you've upset him =(
19:18 <Lucifer> heh, he didn't come back :)
19:18 <Lucifer> I'm just going to disable ruby entirely for now
19:19 <Lucifer> it's not really ready for release anyway
19:19 <BabyBug> hrmm? that's what's causing the problem?
19:19 <PinkTomato> something that is not used
19:19 <Lucifer> well, ruby's kind of half-baked still
19:19 <Lucifer> ruby support, I mean
19:19 <Lucifer> and one of the files that swig generates is listed to be distributed, because automake typically distributes generated sources like that
19:19 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:19 <Lucifer> re epsy
19:20 <BabyBug> wb
19:20 <epsy> re
19:20 <epsy> what was I supposed to do already?
19:21 <epsy> ah
19:21 <epsy> ..admin abuse..
19:22 <Lucifer> hey, it appears to be working
19:22 <BabyBug> \o/
19:22  * BabyBug hands Lucifer a cookie \o/
19:22 <Lucifer> awww, didn't work
19:23  * BabyBug steals the cookie back
19:23 <epsy> http://qdb.us/289288
19:24 <Lucifer> tar: armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/resource/included/Lucifer/ThreePlayerFortress/BaseInvertedCrossFortress-0.2.4.aamap.xml: file name is too long (max 99); not dumped   <------ WTF???
19:24 <BabyBug> the file name is too long!
19:25 <MrBougo> * epsy (n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy) has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:25  * BabyBug hides
19:25 <MrBougo> #aRmAGeTRoN ?
19:25 <epsy> yes, you can copypaste!
19:26 <Lucifer> I can't join that channel
19:26 <Lucifer> is that what happens to people who are /removed from here?
19:26 <Lucifer> #kick Lucifer
19:26 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "Lucifer"]
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19:26 <epsy> depends how you you capitalize it
19:27 <BabyBug> just /join #aRmAGeTRoN
19:27 <epsy> BabyBug, don't join, JUST SHOOT
19:27 <BabyBug> just shoot...ePsY
19:27 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-219-151.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron []
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19:27 <MrBougo> eh.
19:28 -!- BabyBug [n=BabyBug@] has left #armagetron ["Leaving"]
19:28 <Lucifer> ahhh, I see what's going on now
19:28 -!- BabyBug [n=BabyBug@] has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:28 <BabyBug> \o/
19:28  * PinkTomato does not see
19:28 <MrBougo> fun.
19:28 <ct|kyle> epsy: Nope
19:28 <epsy> MrBougo, pretty much only works on freenode, sadly
19:28 <epsy> ct|kyle, ok
19:28 <MrBougo> funny
19:29 <Lucifer> for some reason, while doing make distcheck, make triggers the bootstrap targets and tries to rerun the autotools
19:29 <ct|kyle> epsy: if you don't put in a name, then it does not show that top bar
19:29 <Lucifer> make distcheck intentionally sets the permissions like it does to ensure that nothing gets written int he source dir
19:30 <Lucifer> so it's not like that in the tarball
19:30 <Lucifer> this hopefully means that something was just borked for me
19:31  * BabyBug is trying to interpret if that is good or bad
19:32 <Lucifer> if it results in me getting make distcheck to pass, then it's good
19:32 <BabyBug> \o/
19:33 <epsy> /o\
19:33 <Lucifer> nope, keeps trying to run autotools
19:34 <Lucifer> #bzr
19:34 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) (bzr >= 1.4)
19:35 <Lucifer> ah oh, I think I just screwied up
19:35 <smoothice> bzr branch = bzr co?
19:35 <epsy> no
19:35 <Lucifer> oh, maybe not
19:35 <smoothice> epsy: no?
19:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no, xmpp cannot read minds
19:35 <Lucifer> epsy: would you be wililng to pull the trunk and try make distcheck?
19:35 <Lucifer> see if it's just my system?  ;)
19:36 <epsy> smoothice, the doc explains it better than I would ever do, and on top of that it does it quickly - see the workflows section
19:36 <Lucifer> luke-jr: of course not, it's just a protocol, protocols can't read minds!
19:36 <luke-jr> freeciv anyone?
19:36 <epsy> Lucifer, at rev 744 ?
19:37 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one
19:37 <epsy> damn :)
19:37 <Lucifer> heh
19:37 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: does your server work?
19:37 <Lucifer> just run it and forget about it :)
19:37 <Lucifer> renice it to 15 if you want
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: which one?
19:37 <PinkTomato> the TWG thingy
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yeah
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: wanna play?
19:37 <PinkTomato> I couldn't get the !join to work
19:37 <luke-jr> we need at least 4 players
19:37 <epsy> nah, it's not long anymore for me to copy new branches, I finally set ~/CODE/ as a bzr repository
19:37 <PinkTomato> I have to go in a minute
19:38 <luke-jr> pft
19:38 <epsy> from what I've seen it really seems to be avoiding having the same rev 8 times
19:38 <PinkTomato> i know, sorry :), I'll learn the rules for next time ;)
19:38 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: technically, just ! works too
19:39 <epsy> Lucifer, any specific configure flag?
19:39 <Lucifer> epsy: none
19:39 <Lucifer> if it has the same problem I've got, it won't get far
19:39 <Lucifer> if it doesn't, it'll build the game like 3 times
19:40 <epsy> it started compiling the main stuff
19:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: [0] Waiting for real players (only spectators online)…
19:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: does that msg serve a purpose?
19:40 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes
19:40 <epsy> it is shown as console_message
19:40 <luke-jr> yeah, I know
19:40 <luke-jr> but it's annoying
19:40 <epsy> but well, if it didn't spam scrollback, that would be neat
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19:41 <Lucifer> crap, 0.2.8 has a higher rev then trunk
19:41 <epsy> it had, for a long time now, on bzr branches
19:41  * luke-jr would think the center_message would be enough
19:41 <epsy> that does show up in logs as well doesnt it?
19:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8725 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): dave@davefancella.com: Enable armathentication by default
19:41 <luke-jr> no
19:41 <Lucifer> heh, that took long enough
19:42 <luke-jr> should setup a bzr hook to do it on commit
19:42 <epsy> err
19:42 <epsy> autotools are kicking in
19:42 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8726 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am src/swig/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Can make dist, but still failing make distcheck
19:42 <epsy> luke-jr, cia tracking?
19:43 <Lucifer> wtf?  I ran make distclean in 0.2.8, and it's building the game!
19:43 <luke-jr> epsy: bzr->svn sync
19:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, that's annoying
19:43 <epsy> ah, well, that would be on clients then
19:43 <epsy> perhaps base yourself on the cia plugin?
19:43 <epsy> cd .. && /bin/sh /home/epsy/CODE/armagetron/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/missing --run aclocal-1.10
19:43 <epsy> autom4te: cannot create autom4te.cache: Permission non accordée
19:43 <epsy> aclocal-1.10: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
19:44 <luke-jr> bzr hooks are on clients? :/
19:44 <Lucifer> epsy: yep, that's what it did to me, thanks :)
19:44 <Lucifer> luke-jr: bzr server is a ssh server
19:44 <epsy> luke-jr, well, we can't install hooks at launchpad
19:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: same w/ svn in many cases
19:44 <luke-jr> epsy: oh
19:44 <luke-jr> so LP has the same problem SF does ;/
19:44 <epsy> well, there is not really any actual bzr server, in general
19:44 <Lucifer> svn servers I've seen have been run through apache
19:45 <luke-jr> settign them up thru Apache is a pain
19:45 <luke-jr> svnserve and svn+ssh is far easier
19:45 <epsy> but you need mod_subversion
19:45 <epsy> which turns apache into a subvrsion server
19:45 <epsy> doesnt it?
19:45 <Lucifer> yeah, but you can apt-get what you need and it just works
19:45 <epsy> bzr+ssh will just use the bzrlib in place on the server
19:46 <Lucifer> it's only a pain if you're running inferior OS distributions
19:46 <luke-jr> epsy: same w/ svn+ssh
19:46 <epsy> luke-jr, with added spice!
19:46 <Lucifer> I'm gonna go smoke while I wait for this disaster to sorrt itself out
19:46 <luke-jr> no freeciv then?
19:47 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no new years resolution to give up smoking? :P
19:48 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r744 Can make dist, but still failing make distcheck || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r743 Enable armathentication by default
19:48 <epsy> Lucifer, well, these RSS feeds are slow
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20:21 <smoothice> Is the trunk fixed?
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20:25 <smoothice> Lucifer: How about we all go back to svn and be done with it:)
20:27 <Lucifer> smoothice: trunk still works fine, I'm working on stuff that doesn't affect people who are just building and running from the trunk
20:28 <smoothice> Lucifer: When I checkout trunk and build it compiles fine but I get seg. fault when I run it
20:28 <smoothice> Lucifer: on Mac OS X
20:29 <Lucifer> smoothice: is this the same problem you've been having, or a new problem?
20:30 <smoothice> I've had this problem for a while.. the last trunk rev that worked for me was 726
20:30 <Lucifer> is there a backtrace somewhere on launchpad associated with this problem?  ;)
20:30 <smoothice> Lucifer: not at the moment.. but I did do one once and it reported problems in tConfiguration.cpp
20:30 <smoothice> I'll generate a new one soon
20:30 <luke-jr> distcheck fails for 0.2.8 here
20:31 <luke-jr> and leaves a directory that rm -rf can't clean up
20:31 <Lucifer> hmmm, I just started it in 0.2.8
20:31 <luke-jr> I wonder if that's a bug in rm
20:31 <Lucifer> did it build anything for you?
20:31 <Lucifer> no, if you look at the directory, nobody has write permissions to it
20:31 <luke-jr> it built and complained about leftover files
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: rm -f should get around that
20:32 <Lucifer> distcheck does that intentionally so it will fail if anything tried to write to that directory
20:32 <Lucifer> no, -f just suppressess the "Doo you  want to delete this file?" prompt
20:32 <luke-jr> -f also ignores -w on the file itself
20:32 <luke-jr> that prompt doesn't happen by default
20:37 <smoothice> #dns atlanta047.ath.cx
20:37 <@armabot> Host not found.
20:37 <smoothice> #dns google.com
20:37 <@armabot> Host not found.
20:37 <smoothice> wtf ^ ?
20:37 <BabyBug> @dns google.com
20:37 <teabot> BabyBug:
20:37 <BabyBug> @dns atlanta047.ath.cx
20:37 <teabot> BabyBug:
20:37 <luke-jr> any idea if QBzr is useful?
20:38 <smoothice> wrtlprnft: DNS on armabot is broken
20:41 <smoothice> luke-jr: qbzr is demented
20:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: of course DNS on armabot is broken
20:41 <smoothice> luke-jr: why?
20:41 <luke-jr> DNS is always broken in general
20:41 <smoothice> @dns google.com
20:41 <smoothice> ]dns google.com
20:41 <teabot> smoothice:
20:41 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "dns" is not a valid command.
20:41 <smoothice> It works on teabot
20:42 <luke-jr> :þ
20:42 <luke-jr> [13:37:37] <BabyBug> @dns google.com
20:42 <luke-jr> [13:37:42] <teabot> BabyBug:
20:42 <BabyBug> Hi?
20:42 <luke-jr> o
20:42 <luke-jr> that was teabot too
20:42 <luke-jr> BabyBug: O HAI
20:42 <BabyBug> HI THAR!
20:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: o hai thar
20:43 <BabyBug> air hair lair <--- The posh british way of saying, Oh hello there.
20:43 <luke-jr> …
20:44 <BabyBug> That's something even americans can understand!
20:58 <smoothice> ;p;
21:04 -!- Corn [n=Corn@] has quit ["Leaving"]
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21:10 <epsy> luke-jr, that looks good
21:10 <epsy> [qbzr]
21:11 <BabyBug> epsy looks good \o/
21:12 <epsy> not really :\
21:12 <BabyBug> ...
21:12 <BabyBug> self esteem epsy!!
21:13 <epsy> realism
21:15 <BabyBug> pssht
21:15 <luke-jr> epsy: looks good is a matter of opinion
21:15 <luke-jr> there is no realism
21:15 <luke-jr> therefore, you are not being realistic, but pessimistic
21:15 <BabyBug> \o/
21:16 <BabyBug> go luke-jr!
21:16 <epsy> as long as one thinks nooses that shift in one direction makes one nice, you're right
21:17 <luke-jr> ah, but the nose does not need to make you look nice
21:17 <luke-jr> you could look nice DESPITE the nose
21:17 <luke-jr> worst case scenario
21:17 <epsy> I would know that
21:18 <epsy> argh...SH
21:19  * luke-jr gives epsy a hug.
21:21  * BabyBug sexes epsy up
21:24 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ac9ebfd.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
21:27  * BabyBug covers the Potato in red!
21:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no reason we need to support new maps using 0.2.8_beta3 DTD, do we?
21:30  * PinkTomato runs away!
21:30 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:35 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, failz
21:36 <PinkTomato> :P
21:37 <PinkTomato> ptfort
21:37 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:37 <PinkTomato> #ptfort
21:37 <@armabot> PinkTomato: {PinkTomato}  Fortress Server: Players (0/26):
21:37 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
21:37 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (2/32): firefpk96, flush
21:38 <BabyBug> Corn, why don't you add it as a server bookmark?
21:38 <BabyBug> and why can't you browser the servers?
21:39 <PinkTomato> Corn: try BROWSER_
21:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:39 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it was only one file left in the build directory
21:39 <Lucifer> not sure where it came from, but the important thing is the 0.2.8 branch got waaay past the trunk
21:40 <Lucifer> I guess I'd better figure out why the trunk won't pass distcheck
21:42  * BabyBug is still ready and waiting for the packages! *shuts up now*
21:42 <Lucifer> heh
21:42 <Lucifer> the autopackage *might* build now, it doesn't have to pass distcheck to get an autopackage out of it
21:42 <BabyBug> What does distcheck actually do? (or did you not figure that out :P)
21:43 <Lucifer> it builds a source release tarball, then decompresses it, builds the game, does distclean, and checks to see what's left
21:43 <BabyBug> Hrmmm...What's the point of that?
21:43 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:43 <Lucifer> I think it might build a second source release tarball from the source tarball, and test that, too
21:43 <Lucifer> to make sure the files distributed are all that's needed, and that the vpath build works
21:44 <BabyBug> oh
21:44 <Lucifer> if any files are missing, the build will fail
21:44 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m550e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #armagetron
21:45 <BabyBug> well...makes sense i guess ^^
21:45 <Lucifer> we have a bit of a rule that a release has to pass distcheck before we can release
21:45 <Lucifer> we can test all sorts of stuff, but to get a version number, it has to pass distcheck
21:45 <BabyBug> lol...that's just silly :P
21:45 <Lucifer> ok, it appears the autopackage is building
21:46 <BabyBug> \o/
21:46 <BabyBug> You should make a .deb!
21:46 <Lucifer> er, no, it's not silly, a package that passes distcheck is more likely to be of high quality (in terms of distribution, not in terms of good software) than a package that doesn't
21:47 <ivantis2> am i unbanned yet?
21:47 <Lucifer> to be quite honest, I consider the minimum 0.3.1 release to be a source tarball, windows installer, mac package, and autopackage
21:47 <BabyBug> more likely...Doesn't mean it will beeeeee =P (yes i know i'm splitting hairs there)
21:47 <Lucifer> #kick ivantis2 don't ask stupid questions
21:47 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m550e36d0.tmodns.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "don't ask stupid questions"]
21:47 <Lucifer> oh good, it failed
21:48 <BabyBug> wonderful!
21:48  * BabyBug cracks open the champagne
21:48 <Lucifer> ../../builds/b_0.3_alpha20090103/B1/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/src/resource/tResourceManager.h:35:19: error: tDict.h: No such file or directory
21:48 <PinkTomato> no one ever built a dictionary did they?
21:49 <BabyBug> built a what?
21:49 <BabyBug> oh
21:49 <BabyBug> i see
21:49 <BabyBug> sorry
21:49 <PinkTomato> guessing from the filename
21:49 <BabyBug> blonde moment
21:49 <BabyBug> ya
21:49  * BabyBug stops using enter as punctuation ><
21:49 <PinkTomato> how would that even work?
21:50 <smoothice> PinkTomato: hai thar
21:50 <Lucifer> it's a header that just makes a std::map<tString, *>
21:50 <Lucifer> er
21:50 <Lucifer> it's a header that just makes a std::map<tString, T>
21:50 <BabyBug> TMI
21:50 <PinkTomato> hi smoothice
21:50 <Lucifer> in fact, I made it, heh
21:50 <Lucifer> so this is my fault this time ;)
21:50 <PinkTomato> :D
21:51 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer, finally owning up to something? :P
21:51  * BabyBug gets the camera!
21:51 <smoothice> #dns google.com
21:51 <@armabot> Host not found.
21:51 <Lucifer> oh no, it's still your fault somehow, BabyBug
21:51 <BabyBug> ><
21:51 <Lucifer> even though you weren't around here when I made it...
21:51  * BabyBug cries
21:51 <BabyBug> lol
21:51  * smoothice :/
21:51 <BabyBug> what did you make it?
21:51 <BabyBug> when*
21:51 <PinkTomato> is --lucifer always wins still in the trunk?
21:51 <Lucifer> afaik, why?
21:52 <Lucifer> BabyBug: not sure, to be honest, a year ago, maybe longer?
21:52 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: if it's still there, it''ll be in 0.3.1 ;)
21:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Oh ok. Newp possible link to me then =P
21:52 <PinkTomato> Lucifer:  :D
21:53 <Lucifer> ok, now I'm pissed
21:53 <Lucifer> hmmmm
21:53 <BabyBug> uhhh
21:53 <BabyBug> pissed?
21:53 <Lucifer> american pissed, not UK pissed
21:53 <BabyBug> like angry/annoyed?
21:53 <Lucifer> I realize that's a word that means starkly different things depending on which side of the pond you're on
21:54 <PinkTomato> along with sick
21:54 <BabyBug> it's slightly bigger than a pond hunni xD
21:54 <Lucifer> hmmmm, this requires deeper inspection
21:55  * Lucifer removes armagetron's shirt
21:55 <BabyBug> that's what she said ;)
21:55 <BabyBug> Ok i'll really shut up this time =x
21:57 <BabyBug> (this would be the point one where someone says "no no it's fine baby")
22:01 <Lucifer> I don't see anybody saying that
22:01  * BabyBug cries
22:02  * Lucifer wants to replace the makefile in the build module withh a python script
22:02 <BabyBug> You got my vote!
22:02 <PinkTomato> won't that make it fail make distclean?
22:02 <Lucifer> yeah, but the only reason I want to do it is so I'll understand what it does :)
22:03 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, the build module is separate and contains release building stuff
22:03 <PinkTomato> ah right :), assuming you meant what I actually meant make distcheck
22:03 <PinkTomato> make distclean would wipe the compiled source, i think
22:04 <epsy> but run autotools first
22:04 <Lucifer> no, this is a pretty custom makefile
22:06 <luke-jr> any idea how to branch on LP?
22:06 <Lucifer> bzr branch
22:06 <epsy> in the way svn means it?
22:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer: how do I get it on LP tho?
22:06 <epsy> push
22:06 <Lucifer> bzr push lp:yadayada
22:06 <smoothice> register the branch
22:06 <luke-jr> …
22:07 <luke-jr> the original project is not on LP
22:07 <luke-jr> I want the branch to be
22:07 <epsy> you don't need to register it first
22:07 <Lucifer> then you have to create the project, or put it in +junk
22:07 <epsy> put it in your junk folder
22:07 <luke-jr> O.o
22:07 <luke-jr> but how?
22:07 <Lucifer> I'd put it in +junk unless you have reason to create a project for it
22:07 <BabyBug> https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto \o/
22:07 <epsy> lp:~you/+junk/branchname
22:07 <epsy> and what BabyBug said, too
22:07 <epsy> er
22:07 -!- dlh [n=dlh@] has joined #armagetron
22:07 <epsy> no
22:08 <smoothice> dlh: the latest trunk doesn't run on mac os x
22:08 <smoothice> dlh: it outputs seg. fault
22:09 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:09 <luke-jr> can anyone bzr get http://bzr.malept.com/bazaar-overlay/ ?
22:09 <PinkTomato> it is empty
22:10 <dlh> smoothice: the client doesn't work?
22:10 <smoothice> dlh: dedicated server
22:10 <Lucifer> typedef std::map< tString, tResourceType::Reference > tResourceTypeMap;   <--- what's wrong with this line?
22:10 <smoothice> dlh: I'll have a backtrace in one second
22:10 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Are you asking because you don't know?
22:10 <Lucifer> heh, yes
22:10 <epsy> gah, typedefs are annoying
22:10 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: what am I fetching?
22:11 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: a Gentoo overlay
22:11 <epsy> what does it give for an error?
22:11 <luke-jr> bzr crashes with it when I try
22:11 <PinkTomato> Its worked now
22:11 <luke-jr> :/
22:11 <BabyBug> luke-jr, bzr crashed here to
22:11 <luke-jr> what version?
22:11 <PinkTomato> 1.3.1
22:11 <BabyBug> O.o
22:11 <epsy> time to split the channel
22:12 <Lucifer> epsy: it looks like the <<Map> header wasn't being included there
22:12 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: want me to archive it and stick on a webserver for a while?
22:13 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
22:13 <PinkTomato> ok
22:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: what ver do you use?
22:13 <BabyBug> 1.9
22:13 <PinkTomato> :S
22:13 <luke-jr> i c
22:13 <luke-jr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/+bug/313555
22:13 <BabyBug> and you? :P
22:13 <teabot> Launchpad bug 313555 in bzr-gentoo-overlay "Bazaar has encountered an internal error checking out bzr-gentoo-overlay" [Undecided,New]
22:13 <dlh> smoothice: i got the segfault too. no need to post your bt
22:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: plz "affects me too"
22:13 <epsy> awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " $2 }' <-- if this is in Makefile.am, does the $ need to be escaped?
22:13 <luke-jr> I tried 1.6.1, 1.9, and 1.10
22:13 <luke-jr> 1.3.1 is too old for Gentoo :/
22:13 <BabyBug> there's a 1.10?
22:13 <smoothice> dlh: ok... so it isn't just me that's having the problem?
22:14 <luke-jr> yes
22:14 <epsy> luke-jr, what happened?
22:14 <epsy> BabyBug, I'm using it
22:14 <smoothice> dlh: do you know the cause?
22:14 <luke-jr> epsy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/+bug/313555
22:14 <dlh> i'm looking at it right now. i'll ping you when I find a fix
22:14 <smoothice> dlh: ok thanks
22:15 <epsy> get ?
22:16 <PinkTomato> I thought it was branch?
22:16 <epsy> that's an alias of branch
22:16 <PinkTomato> ah right
22:16 <BabyBug> happens with co aswell though
22:17 <BabyBug> so that's neither here nor there \o/
22:17 <epsy> bzr: ERROR: Lock not held: LockableFiles(lock, http://bzr.malept.com/.bzr/repository/)
22:18 <epsy> but no crash
22:19 <luke-jr> yeah
22:19 <luke-jr> forgot to note that difference with 1.10
22:19 <epsy> that just sounds like a messed up repo
22:20  * BabyBug agrees!
22:20  * Lucifer agrees with BabyBug.
22:20 <luke-jr> epsy: I also-affects the repo too :þ
22:20 <Lucifer> hey BabyBug (hi there!) , 2 years ago you were half my age
22:20 <epsy> hm?
22:20 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:20 <luke-jr> epsy: note it worked for PinkTomato's old 1.3.1 tho
22:20 <PinkTomato>  bzr branch lp:bzr-gentoo-overlay
22:21 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes i was. Is that leading onto something or was it random?
22:21 <Lucifer> random
22:21 <PinkTomato> that worked on 1.6r5
22:21 <BabyBug> You're...34?
22:21 <BabyBug> yes you must be \o/
22:21  * BabyBug couldn't remember from yesterday
22:21 <epsy> he is
22:21 <epsy> lp:bzr-gentoo-overlay works
22:21 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: but its r187, and the other link is r195
22:22 <PinkTomato> as quoted on lp: This branch may be out of date, because Launchpad has not been able to access it since 2008-12-05.
22:23 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, did you say it was empty though when you did it?
22:23 <PinkTomato> When you access it via HTTP
22:23 <BabyBug> ah
22:23 <Lucifer> grrrr
22:23 <PinkTomato> I guessed afterwards its something to do with it needing bzr protocol
22:24 <BabyBug> :P
22:24 <Lucifer> ../../builds/b_0.3_alpha20090103/B4/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:4932: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
22:24 <Lucifer> didn't we just talk about this line?
22:24 <PinkTomato> Yesterday!
22:24 <PinkTomato> That's my error
22:24 <PinkTomato> the line luke-jr thought I was lieing about
22:24 <Lucifer> how did it get into the trunk?
22:24 <luke-jr> Lucifer: it isn't in Svn trunk
22:25 <Lucifer> great, luke-jr fixed it in the library of congress
22:25 <BabyBug> you really should stop using 2......
22:25 <Lucifer> WE'RE not using two, luke-jr is
22:25 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stop using 2
22:25 <luke-jr> no I'm not
22:25 <luke-jr> I'm only using Subversion
22:25 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stop using svn
22:25 <luke-jr> BabyBug: svn is the primary
22:26 <luke-jr> and Lucifer is too lazy to add me to the bzr list
22:26 <luke-jr> :þ
22:26 <Lucifer> er, no
22:26 <BabyBug> Ok let's rephrase. The project as a WHOLE should stop using 2
22:26 <Lucifer> consider this little episode one of the reasons I won't add you to the bzr list
22:26 <Lucifer> the Right Thing for you to do would have been to post a patch, preferably on lp bugs
22:26 <BabyBug> add me to the bzr list \o/
22:26 <Lucifer> instead you chose the ass-wrong choice
22:26 <luke-jr> post a patch for what?
22:26 <smoothice> dlh: any luck?
22:26 <Lucifer> which was to commit to svn knowing damn well we don't commit to it anymore
22:26 <dlh> testing a fix right now
22:26 <luke-jr> I haven't touched that code.
22:27 <PinkTomato> anyway, it still exists in svn
22:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: nobody ever told me svn commits aren't supported/allowed
22:27 <smoothice> dlh: ok cool
22:27 <PinkTomato> and bzr, tried both
22:27 <luke-jr> last I checked, the bot synced in both directions
22:27 <luke-jr> either way, I didn't touch that code
22:27 <luke-jr> and trunk still has a different line
22:27 <luke-jr>             lowerUser = tString( "AAA" ) << lowerUser;
22:28 <smoothice> dlh: once you commit your changes to the trunk I can merge from trunk in my branch
22:29 <Lucifer> I don't even know what that thing's doing right there, heh
22:29 <Lucifer> maybe this is a compiler thing, where it used to work but doesn't anymore
22:30 <Lucifer> how did you fix it?
22:30 <luke-jr> if you're asking me, I didn't fix anything, it just never was a problem
22:30 <Lucifer> ok, what did you commit yesterday then, when PinkTomato (hi there!) raised this one?
22:31 <dlh> smoothice: i pushed a fix to lp.
22:31 <smoothice> dlh: ok
22:31 <smoothice> dlh: thanks
22:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: my last commit to trunk was 2008-12-18, removing the Bitstream font
22:31 <Lucifer> er, I don't think we're having the same conversation with each other, heh
22:31 <luke-jr> my involvement with PinkTomato yesterday was simply "works for me" and "that looks really weird, and isn't in svn trunk"
22:32 <Lucifer> ah, I thought you'd committed a fix yesterday
22:32 <Lucifer> that's what I thought when I saw the conversation yesterday, for some reason
22:32 <luke-jr> nope, like I said, I haven't touched any of that code
22:32 <Lucifer> gcc --version ?
22:32 <luke-jr> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20070214 (  (gdc 0.24, using dmd 1.020)) (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.1)
22:32 <Lucifer> then it's probably a gcc problem
22:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the thign that strikes me as weird is the variation between svn and bzr trunk
22:32 <smoothice> dlh: What's the difference between bzr co and bzr branch?
22:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: gcc --version ?
22:33 <smoothice> dlh: I've always used branch
22:33 <Lucifer> bzr co works like svn co, essentially
22:33 <Lucifer> commits go straight to the repo
22:33 <smoothice> o
22:33 <smoothice> ok
22:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what's your gcc version?
22:33 <Lucifer> bzr branch copies the repository, and commits are done locally
22:33 <Lucifer> 4.2.4
22:33 <BabyBug> ahhh
22:33 <Lucifer> gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)
22:34 <BabyBug> It used to compile for me though :s
22:35 <epsy> grm, a tree that's based off an old revision, but which has changed will be labelled as it just was that old revision
22:35 <PinkTomato> I'ld like to note, I got it compiling, it was my configure line
22:36 <BabyBug> O.o
22:36 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)
22:36 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: what was wrong with your configure line?
22:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8727 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tConfiguration.h): Daniel Lee Harple: Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change was lost when z-man merged 0.2.8.
22:37 <PinkTomato> I think it was: ./configure --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication
22:37 <Lucifer> that looks like somebody's fix
22:37 <Lucifer> that was the config line that worked, or the one that didn't work?
22:37 <PinkTomato> didn't work
22:37 <Lucifer> this line is in a krawall block
22:37 <PinkTomato> I went to bare configure, so I didn't isolate it
22:37 <Lucifer> does anybody know if z-man used the existing krawall block when he made armathentication?
22:37 <epsy> yes
22:38 <epsy> pretty much half the stuff in there has Krawall stamped on it
22:38 <Lucifer> yeah, he just built on that anyway
22:38 <luke-jr> that's how it works with old pre-0.2.8 clients
22:38 <epsy> even the constant that triggers it is named KRAWALL, or KRAWALL_SOMETHING
22:38 <smoothice> dlh: Did that seg. fault affect all platforms? (not just osx)
22:39 <luke-jr> epsy: define, not const
22:39 <epsy> "the define" ?
22:40 <epsy> that sounds like the line which produced .. whatever it produces
22:40 <Lucifer> it looks like it just prepends AAA to a player name
22:40 <Lucifer> er, or did you mean the line dlh just added?
22:40 <epsy> I remember prepending AAA to something
22:40 <epsy> but that was far from players
22:40 <dlh> smoothice: probably. the behavior for the problem is undefined.
22:40 <smoothice> dlh: ok
22:41 <luke-jr> tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
22:41 <luke-jr> so why is that cast?
22:41 <smoothice> dlh: successful compile and run ... thanks again
22:41 <epsy> lol!
22:41 <luke-jr> "AAA" is already a const char*, no?
22:41 <epsy> it is
22:41 <Lucifer> it's not in the code, that's just how the compiler sees it
22:41 <dlh> smoothice: np.
22:41 <luke-jr> OH
22:44 <BabyBug> Lucifer
22:44 <BabyBug> Are you using ld gold?
22:44 <PinkTomato> why would you want to append AAA anyway?
22:44 <BabyBug> gold linker
22:44 <BabyBug> whatever you want to call it?
22:44 <PinkTomato> sound's very hacky
22:45 <epsy> PinkTomato, to sort it first
22:45 <Lucifer> it's building a list of armathentication authorities
22:45 <PinkTomato> oh right
22:45 <epsy> that's how it's done with .. something
22:45 <epsy> aaah THAT
22:45 <epsy> then I did that 2 times :)
22:46 <epsy> Lucifer, of admins, actually
22:46 <epsy> Lucifer, it's just that it puts authorities first, because it makes more sense
22:46 <PinkTomato> won't it get confused when something/someone is called AAAMan?
22:47 <epsy> read the line again :)
22:47 <Lucifer> that's just the key
22:47 <epsy> the sort keys are all lowercase
22:47 <Lucifer> not these, these have AAA in the beginning of them
22:47 <epsy> the sort keys of individual users are all lowercase
22:47 <Lucifer> well, I got it to compile, but the line I put in there isn't pretty
22:48 <Lucifer> lowerUser = tColoredString((tString&)"AAA" + lowerUser);
22:49 <Lucifer> I probably don't want to push that to the trunk
22:49 <Lucifer> should wait till I'm not sick and sleepy and look at the broken line again ;)
22:50 <Lucifer> note to self: make sure the trunk builds before you try to build an autopackage out of it
22:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you're in america right?
22:52 <luke-jr> he's one of them crazy Texans
22:53 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
22:53 <BabyBug> that's why he gets tired at really weird times?
22:53 <luke-jr> lol
22:53 <epsy> haha
22:54 <luke-jr> TWG code is about to be on LP
22:54 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: why did you do it as /msg?
22:54 <PinkTomato> was it a stylistic choice?
22:55 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ?
22:55 <PinkTomato> Isn't there a way to add a /twg to arma through config options to be parsed by a script?
22:56 <luke-jr> yeah, but
22:56 <teabot> armacommits: [smoothice] r728 merge with trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r745 Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change ...
22:56 <luke-jr> the game is connecting as spectator
22:56 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-219-151.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit []
22:56 <epsy> The game entered the game.
22:56 <luke-jr> ☺
22:56 <BabyBug> it's the matrix all over again!
22:56 <PinkTomato> :) lol
22:56 <luke-jr> lp:~luke-jr/+junk/yandere-twg
22:56 <PinkTomato> so you made it capable of being able to enter any arma?
22:57 <luke-jr> in theory
22:57 <luke-jr> but it needs anti-spam-protection access level
22:57 <luke-jr> and currently a high SPAM_MAXLEN
22:57 <luke-jr> (even though it bypasses it, the code isn't aware of that)
22:58 <PinkTomato> ah so thats why you added the access_level_spam
22:58 <luke-jr> note that lp branch is incomplete by itself
22:58 <luke-jr> anyone know how bzr externals work?
22:58 <luke-jr> ☺
22:59 -!- SageLord [i=459ac419@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44086fbb5e5959af] has joined #armagetron
23:01 <epsy> bzr externals?
23:01 <teabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/fortress-vs-sumo/>
23:01 <luke-jr> apparently called nested trees
23:01 <luke-jr> the problem is the full TWG is 3 pieces
23:01 <luke-jr> 1. the IRC Yandere game, designed for Pharo
23:01 <luke-jr> 2. wrtl's PHP arma client
23:01 <luke-jr> 3. glue code to tie them together
23:03 <epsy> Ah right
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23:03 <BabyBug> php arma client?
23:03 <luke-jr> any reason bzr branch shouldn't be used as a flat-out import method?
23:03 <epsy> use make to retrieve wrtl's php client
23:03 <luke-jr> eg, branch to LP then delete the original?
23:04 <luke-jr> BabyBug: yes
23:04 <luke-jr> epsy: there is no makefile
23:04 <PinkTomato> I think I saw that in the SVN?
23:04 <epsy> make one :)
23:04 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yep
23:04 <Lucifer> grrrr
23:04  * Lucifer broke the trunk himself, heh
23:04 <luke-jr> XD
23:05 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I'm in America, but seem to mostly keep a european schedule
23:05 <Lucifer> maybe I should move to europe
23:05 <BabyBug> No don't move to europe
23:06 <BabyBug> or if you do move to east europe
23:06 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: then the days would be funny for you
23:06 <PinkTomato> and you might fal back into the same habit, and end up in aussie time
23:07 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I hear the hottest european babes are in eastern europe
23:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you heard wrong!!
23:07 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: then I should skip to the chase and go straight to oz
23:07 <BabyBug> very very wrong
23:08 <BabyBug> the hottest european babes are in Scotland \o/
23:08 <Lucifer> dlh: it seems to have affected other platforms as well
23:08  * Lucifer pulls, heh
23:12 <Lucifer> BabyBug: well, the hottest american babes tend to have eastern european ancestry, so it's a logical conclusion
23:12 <BabyBug> the hottest american babes are fugly though
23:13 <SageLord> pfft whatever
23:13 <z-man> dlh: oops, I was specifically looking at that initialization code.
23:13  * Lucifer has a crush on a girl from his chem 1 class that has polish ancestry
23:13 <z-man> Did you also make sure the other pointer function always gets initialized?
23:15 <Lucifer> I guess it all boils down to who you think is hotter
23:15 <Lucifer> Nena
23:15 <Lucifer> or
23:15 <Lucifer> Angela Merkyl
23:15 <BabyBug> Who or Who?
23:15 <z-man> ugh
23:15 <z-man> Merkel.
23:15 <akira_arma> NWO forward!
23:16 <Lucifer> heh, sorry
23:16 <Lucifer> wait, you think Merkel's hotter than Nena?
23:16 <akira_arma> sakrozy,merkel,putin,obama they will do it!
23:16  * z-man vanishes in a puff of smoke
23:16 <akira_arma> they will help us all !
23:16 <akira_arma> they will get rid of hunger!
23:16 <akira_arma> of pverty!
23:16 <akira_arma> of
23:17 <Lucifer> puberty?
23:17 <akira_arma> of
23:17 <akira_arma> errr
23:17 <z-man> Internet Trolls?
23:17 <epsy> who's gonna fix our autotools now?
23:17 <Lucifer> conspiracy theorists?
23:17 <akira_arma> tzoo abd thats a fact lucifer
23:17 <Lucifer> hey, if the NWO wants to round up all the nutjobs, I'll go along with that
23:17 <BabyBug> epsy, Lucifer will
23:17 <akira_arma> too bad you are willingly doing their job
23:17 <akira_arma> "their"
23:18 <Lucifer> I'm not rounding up any nutjobs
23:18 <Lucifer> best case, I'm just labeling them for easy targetting by the secret police
23:18 <epsy> @list filter
23:18 <teabot> epsy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
23:18  * epsy wants @windows
23:19 <PinkTomato> @rot1 test
23:19 <teabot> PinkTomato: uftu
23:19 <akira_arma> what has a being doubtful and aware of schemes of the ruling class to do with being a nutjob?
23:19 <akira_arma> i mean its pretty logical that the ruling class wants to preserve its power
23:19 <Lucifer> semi-literate rants about the new world order makes you a nutjob ;)
23:19 <Lucifer> it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's all about how you communicate it
23:20 <akira_arma> i am just exxagerating cause a)
23:20 <akira_arma> i have to make fun of it cause its so sad
23:20 <akira_arma> b) i cant pinpoint exact sentences cause i would write a goddamn essay then
23:20 <akira_arma> which isnt exactly feasible in irc
23:21 <Lucifer> I do it all the time!
23:21  * Lucifer notes that if you want to force all of arma to rebuild, modify tConfiguration.h
23:21 <dlh> z-man: looks like cb is always initialized too
23:22 <epsy>  @spellit is funny :P
23:22 <Lucifer> @spellit
23:22 <teabot> Lucifer: (spellit <text>) -- Returns <text>, phonetically spelled out.
23:22 <Lucifer> @spellit nutjob
23:22 <teabot> Lucifer:  en you tee jay oh bee
23:23 <Lucifer> ok, here we go again for the autopackage
23:23  * Lucifer crosses his fingers
23:23 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it still fails to compile!
23:23  * PinkTomato crosses theirs too for extra hope
23:23 <BabyBug> i bet you it fails!
23:23 <BabyBug> And i'm going to say because of something to do with ruby
23:23  * PinkTomato even harder to avoid the aura of lack of faith from BabyBug
23:23 <z-man> dlh: right, the base constructor takes care of that.
23:24 <Lucifer> z-man and dlh, any objections to more or less completely disabling ruby for 0.3.1?
23:24 <z-man> nope.
23:25  * Lucifer wants to revisit build systems
23:25  * Lucifer is having a hard time believing any project of significant size could work with autotools without going slowly crazy
23:26 <z-man> Well, it's great for small and medium sized projects.
23:26 <z-man> Also, it's not size, it's complexity :)
23:26 <Lucifer> heh
23:26 <z-man> It handles tons of source just fine, but the non-source stuff gets problematic.
23:26 <z-man> That and external dependencies.
23:26 <Lucifer> it's going to take me a little bit to get back up to speed with the build system, if I ever was up to speed with it, at least
23:27 <Lucifer> yeah, that configure script is just damned useful
23:27 <Lucifer> I almost want to just keep that and make a bunch of SCons.in files ;)
23:27 <Corn> Im downloading a compiler is there a specific one that i should download? or does it not matter.
23:27  * z-man is building the dedicated servers for the IV games now exclusively with auto*
23:27 <epsy> Corn, GCC ?
23:28 <z-man> Lucifer: that's an idea there.
23:28 <Corn> gnu compiler collection?
23:28 <z-man> Corn: that's the one.
23:28 <Lucifer> there are no other compilers, there is only gcc
23:28 <Corn> j
23:28 <Corn> k*
23:29 <epsy> doesn't cmake handle dependency checking?
23:29 <z-man> wasn't cmake an abomination?
23:29 <Lucifer> at this point I doubt there's anything that's as good as autoconf for that
23:29 <epsy> Lucifer, "others are [..]" ?
23:29 <Lucifer> much as I dislike working on configure.ac
23:29 <Corn> should i download 4.3.2
23:29 <epsy> well, KDE is an abomination as well, isn't it ? :)
23:29 <PinkTomato> ./configure dosen't check for bison
23:29 <Lucifer> scons has something like it, but you have to write all your own tests pretty much ;)
23:29 <z-man> we could clean it up at some point.
23:29 <epsy> Corn, sounds right
23:30 <z-man> Part of it checks for completely obsolete stuff
23:30 <Corn> ok
23:30 <Lucifer> heh, true, most of our configure.ac mess is our own fault
23:30 <z-man> "let's see if we're using SDL_Image 1.0"
23:30 <luke-jr> does wrtl's PHP client exist in the bzr world?
23:30 <Lucifer> yeah, you know, maybe we should do a big build system cleanup before talking about other build systems anyway
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23:31 <epsy> luke-jr, not unless you use bzr-svn, no
23:31 -!- The_Master [n=master@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:31 <Lucifer> it would be nice, imo, to go with more recursion in teh build
23:31 <Lucifer> you know, Makefile.am for each subdirectory
23:31 <z-man> Err, no.
23:31 <Lucifer> heh
23:31 <Lucifer> "But it's already slow enough!"
23:32 <z-man> It's slow because each .cpp includes tons of headers.
23:32 <Lucifer> how about Makefile.inc in each subdirectory, and then Makefile.am just includes them?  (the one in src)
23:32 <z-man> The build system is pretty much irrelevant right now. We could use one written in bash and it wouldn't slow us down.
23:32 <z-man> Yeah, the include path would work.
23:33 <epsy> talking about includes we should really start trimming them into '#include "tools.h"' or something..
23:33 <z-man> It's a bit unituitive, though, because the makefiles need to know from where they're included to get their paths right.
23:33  * Lucifer isn't going to do any of that right now, just try to get an autopackage built
23:33 <Lucifer> hmmm, that's true....
23:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, does that mean it failed? x)
23:33 <Lucifer> BabyBug: no, still building
23:33 <z-man> epsy: and make them include even more headers?
23:33 <BabyBug> hrmph
23:33 <epsy> basically, yes
23:34 <Lucifer> what about precompiled headers?
23:34 <luke-jr> can I delete a +junk branch?
23:34 <epsy> luke-jr, the red button next to the title at launchpad
23:34 <z-man> do precompiled headers work proplerly now?
23:34  * Lucifer wonders what it takes to use precompiled headers
23:34 <epsy> luke-jr, actually, you can delete any branch
23:34 <Lucifer> beats me
23:34 <Lucifer> wait, you mean they didn't work properly after apple implemented it?
23:35 <luke-jr> gcc some.h
23:35 <Lucifer> but...apple has the world's most elite coders!
23:35 <z-man> Last time I checked was with a late 4.0 beta.
23:35 <luke-jr> epsy: I don't see it
23:35 <z-man> so really a while ago.
23:35 <Lucifer> google must know the answer
23:35 <luke-jr> oh
23:35 <luke-jr> foudn it
23:35 <luke-jr> XD
23:35 <epsy> hehe yeah it's small
23:36 <z-man> So yeah, if precompiled headers work, it wouln't hurt to use them for our big headers that are included from anywhere anyway.
23:36 <z-man> Not for every header.
23:36 <z-man> That just makes every build into a full rebuild, which doesn't really serve the purpose of speeding stuff up :)
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23:39 <epsy> darn, um..
23:39 <Lucifer> according to the docs, gcc supports them just fine, but automake doesn't
23:41 <Lucifer> we could pull it off, I'll bet
23:41 <Lucifer> make a rule to build the precompiled headers, then list them in a particular sources variable
23:41 <z-man> Ooh, excelent. Five new Michael Caine movies on the VDR waiting at home.
23:42 <z-man> I wonder whether I should download them to here.
23:43 <z-man> Yeah, it should be possible to hack something together for the headers.
23:44 <z-man> Of course, some of those movies only have him in a supporting role, but I want to see them anyway and use Caine as a hook for my wife :)
23:45 <z-man> Like Batman Begins, for example.
23:45 <Lucifer> didn't he play the dad in Elf?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: feel free to move the php client to bzr
23:45 <wrtlprnft> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
23:45 <z-man> Elf?
23:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
23:46 <wrtlprnft> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
23:46 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:46 <wrtlprnft> epsy: done.
23:46 <Lucifer> nvm, that's james caan
23:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, thanks :)
23:49  * BabyBug throws a party for epsy 
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23:49 <Corn> Michael Caine was in bewitched wasnt he?
23:49 <Lucifer> well, the autopackage is proceeding nicely
23:49 <Lucifer> BabyBug: :P
23:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer, psssssssh
23:50 <BabyBug> It'll fair
23:50 <BabyBug> fail*
23:50 <BabyBug> fail ><
23:50 <PinkTomato> autopackage sounds very slow...
23:50  * BabyBug votes for .debs!
23:51 <Lucifer> er, is the autopackage not named for the server?
23:52 <z-man> Corn: yes, I think, as a sort of teacher/old master guy. He often is :)
23:52 <Lucifer> oh, it built the client first
23:52 <PinkTomato> so the client built :D?
23:52 <PinkTomato> does that mean I win?
23:52 <epsy> right, I still have --versioninfo left to do
23:53 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103.i486-generic-linux-gnu.package
23:53 <Lucifer> well, the server is building right now
23:53 <Lucifer> also, no guarantees the client will actually run :)
23:53 <PinkTomato> that should succeed right?
23:53 <Lucifer> theoretically
23:53 <Lucifer> be prepared to back it out if it doesn't work, heh
23:53 <BabyBug> do you need to remove the older version first?
23:54 <PinkTomato> how do I install .package? and how do I unistall old source compiled?
23:54 <Lucifer> chmod uga+x *.package
23:54 <Lucifer> ./armagetronadyadayada.package -t
23:54 <Lucifer> then follow the instructions
23:54 <PinkTomato> ah that's easy
23:55 <Lucifer> install it to your home directory, for sure
23:55 <Lucifer> if it doesn't clean up for some reason, you'll do less damage that way :)
23:55 <PinkTomato> it'll let me do a prefix?
23:55 <PinkTomato> oh
23:55 <PinkTomato> I think I done this before
23:55 <Lucifer> BabyBug: afaik, no
23:55 <Lucifer> I don't think so, but it may
23:55 <BabyBug> kk
23:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you need faster internetz
23:57 <Lucifer> sorry
23:57 <Lucifer> maybe I should pause my torrents
23:57 <BabyBug> >< lol
23:57 <PinkTomato> how fast BabyBug? surely nearly done?
23:57 <BabyBug> 50 seconds left
23:58 <PinkTomato> It would take longer than that to mirror it
23:58 <PinkTomato> um, it didn't ask where I wanted to put it
23:58 <PinkTomato> It was nice though
23:59 <PinkTomato> bad news lucifer
23:59 <Lucifer> doesn't work?
23:59 <epsy> crap crap crapp...
23:59 <Corn> can winrar decompress tar files?
23:59 <epsy> Maybe?
23:59 <PinkTomato> ... hmm... it was only a 404 on resource

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00:00 <PinkTomato> Corn: probably someone here hates 7-zip, but that work's me
00:00 <Corn> come again? that work's me?
00:00 <PinkTomato> 7-Zip works with tat
00:00 <PinkTomato> tar*
00:00 <Corn> k
00:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, works fine here \o/ apart from some resource thingy that appeared
00:00 <Lucifer> why are you trying to decompress a tar file in windows, anyway?
00:01 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: same here
00:01 <BabyBug> (even with my ftgl version)
00:01 <Lucifer> well cool, wow, that's great
00:01  * Lucifer wasn't expecting it to work
00:01 <PinkTomato> well, the only thing is the wierd 404 message
00:01 <PinkTomato> on local game
00:02 <PinkTomato> but that might be due to non-superuser install
00:02 <Lucifer> I think that's been there for a little while, hasn't it?
00:02 <Corn> fuxed up your client with a patch
00:02 <Corn> ?
00:02 <Lucifer> there were some resources that couldn't be put in the source tarball, too, for some crazy reason
00:02 <Lucifer> it might be one of those
00:03  * Lucifer wonders if he can build rpms in kubuntu
00:03 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't have any gfx...ermm..by that i mean, no fps, no brake/rubber meters etc =(
00:03 <Lucifer> ahhh, cockpit problem
00:03 <Lucifer> probably related to that 404 you got
00:03 <PinkTomato> same here
00:04 <PinkTomato> there's more than one 404
00:04 <PinkTomato> related to resource.mod
00:04 <Lucifer> I'll look at it in a bit, I didn't personally test the package because my computer started building the server package right away
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00:04 <Lucifer> but the important part of it is that it installed and ran :)
00:05 <Lucifer> now, does it uninstall?  (It should, autopackage is good about that)
00:06 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes except it outputs this
00:06 <BabyBug> rmdir: failed to remove `/var/games/armagetronad': No such file or directory
00:06 <Lucifer> heh
00:06 <BabyBug> but it actually uninstalls fine :P
00:06 <Lucifer> that's a problem with configure options
00:06 <PinkTomato> what's the command?
00:06 <BabyBug> sudo package uninstall armagetronad
00:07 <Lucifer> sudo isn't necessary if you didn't install it system-wide
00:07 <PinkTomato> The program 'package' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
00:07 <PinkTomato> sudo apt-get install mailagent
00:07 <PinkTomato> ubuntu obviously makes a lot of sense..
00:07 <Lucifer> try it without sudo
00:07 <PinkTomato> that was without sudo ;)
00:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it asks for the root password when you try to install it normally...
00:07 <Lucifer> you installed it to your home directory, so the support code probably got put there too
00:07 <Lucifer> oh, heh
00:07 <BabyBug> The only option you get is to install it system wide
00:07 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yes, but there's a button to say "No password"
00:07 <BabyBug> Oh
00:07 <BabyBug> woops
00:07 <BabyBug> my bad
00:08 <Lucifer> and if you click that, it installs to your home directory ;)
00:08 <luke-jr> anyone know how to mirror wrtl's PHP client into bzr world?
00:08 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
00:08 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/arma1.png && http://dessert.ath.cx/arma2.png
00:08 <z-man> Lucifer: I tested the passwordless installation, works fine.
00:08 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: check your application menu for add/remove programs entry
00:09 <z-man> I also get a 404, it tries to download the cockpit dtd.
00:09 <Lucifer> that explains why the cockpit doesn't work ;)
00:09 <BabyBug> fix plox
00:09 <BabyBug> =x
00:09 <BabyBug> hehe
00:10 <Lucifer> heh, I'll get it, mannnnnnnnnn
00:10 <luke-jr> z-man: would you mind adding wrtl's PHP client to the bzr mirroring? ;)
00:10 <z-man> The included dtd is named cockpit-.dtd
00:10 <BabyBug> sure you will, gurrrrrrrrrrrl
00:10 <Lucifer> the task right now is to have someone besides z-man able to build a release
00:10 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did not work
00:10 <Lucifer> not necessarily to build the release ;)
00:10 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I'm sorry I threw an autopackage at you when I don't really know much about autopackage as a user ;)
00:11 <PinkTomato> lol :D
00:11 <Lucifer> (and as a developer, I only know marginally more)
00:11 <z-man> Oh wait, it's resource.dtd that's missing
00:11 <PinkTomato> i'll figure it out, I truly doubt its mailagent i need though
00:11  * luke-jr notes that release DTDs need versions.
00:11 <Lucifer> no, package should isntall with the autopackage support code
00:11 <z-man> luke-jr: bingo.
00:11 <luke-jr> z-man: I think you forgot to unignore me ;(
00:11 <luke-jr> oh
00:11 <z-man> the included resource.dtd is versioned.
00:11 <luke-jr> z-man: about mirroring wrtl's PHP client? :/
00:12 <z-man> depends on its path.
00:12 <z-man> where is it?
00:12 <PinkTomato> its in private
00:12 <luke-jr> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft
00:12 <luke-jr> unfortuantely, it lacks a subdir of its own :/
00:12 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft hasn't made his own bzr branch for his private stuff yet?
00:12 <luke-jr> maybe he wouldn't mind moving it a little
00:12 <Lucifer> er, oops, neither have I
00:13 <Lucifer> well, I have a dedicated server autopackage too
00:13 <z-man> I'll definitely not create a branch for his whole private stuff
00:13 <z-man> that will get messy later.
00:13 <luke-jr> all 380 KB of his private stuff ;)
00:14 <Lucifer> hey, if somebody can figure out how to replace a mouse button switch with a switch controlled by a bicycle speed sensor,
00:14 <z-man> it's not that :) it's a question of organization.
00:14 <Lucifer> then I think my maze generator will become useful again :)
00:14 <luke-jr> sigh
00:14 <luke-jr> I guess for now I just requrie bzr-svn on ppl's machines
00:14 <z-man> why that?
00:14 <Lucifer> go bug wrtlprnft to move his private stuff to bzr, eh?  ;)
00:15 <luke-jr> z-man: so I can nest a svn tree
00:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
00:15 <BabyBug> Everyone needs bugging to do things here...You lot need an ethos of "Just do it!"
00:15 <luke-jr> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft arma-php-client
00:16 <luke-jr> … is it seriously copying the entire fscking svn repo just for that?
00:16 <luke-jr> :/
00:16 <z-man> no, it's analysing it.
00:16 <Lucifer> BabyBug: you'll have to bug guru3 to get us to establish an ethos
00:16 <BabyBug> ...
00:16 <BabyBug> guru3, epic ping!
00:16 <luke-jr> ROFL
00:17 <z-man> My ethos is I'LL DO IT WHEN I HAVE THE FREAKING TIME, K?
00:17 <BabyBug> #topic
00:17 <guru3> eh?
00:17 <BabyBug> guru3, establish an ethos!
00:18 <guru3> eh?
00:18 <BabyBug> ><
00:18 <Lucifer> grrr, why is it taking so long to push?
00:18 <PinkTomato> what's wrong with eh? as an ethos?
00:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I'm sitting on it.
00:18 <guru3> i'm more worried about hosting coming up for expiration
00:18 <Lucifer> luke-jr: well quit sitting on it!
00:18 <luke-jr> XD
00:18 <Lucifer> that reminds me, my domain's about to expire
00:19 <BabyBug> guru3, renew? :P
00:19 <PinkTomato> coming up for expiration?
00:19 <guru3> while Lucifer and z-man are here
00:19 <guru3> are you guys opposed to doing a fund raiser drive type thing for the hosting costs?
00:19  * Lucifer is only partially here, the rest of him has fallen asleep
00:19 <luke-jr> guru3: might consider moving too? nearlyfreespeech is pretty cheap
00:19 <Lucifer> no, of course not, go to it ;)
00:19 <luke-jr> or maybe I could throw it on one of my servers if it doesn't use too much bw
00:19 <guru3> well we've got about 3 months left on the plan
00:20 <guru3> so i'm only just considering it so far
00:20 <z-man> guru3: no objections here.
00:20 <PinkTomato> what are hosting costs like for a website big as arma?
00:20 <epsy> luke-jr, use a bzr repository if you do that with more than one branch
00:20 <Lucifer> $40,000/year
00:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, big?
00:20 <Lucifer> that's why we ahven't gotten anything done
00:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, it's sooooooooooooo not big =P
00:20 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
00:21 <Lucifer> we made a bunch of small websites so we'd look bigger than we are
00:21 <epsy> luke-jr, fetching branches from svn
00:21 <BabyBug> and you still look small
00:21 <guru3> PinkTomato: there' not too bad
00:21 <guru3> because the cost is split between armagetron and another site of mine
00:21 <Lucifer> BabyBug: look, a shiny thing!
00:21  * Lucifer points
00:21 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I guess so :D, but must get a lot of traffic, the master stuff must take a lot of cost too
00:21 <epsy> well, good night
00:21 <Lucifer> masters are mostly hosted on home machines, eh?
00:21 <PinkTomato> guru3: ah ok then :)
00:22 <PinkTomato> are they really?
00:22 <BabyBug> Lucifer, You should really wipe that sweat off your head instead of pointing at it!
00:22 <guru3> armagetron's share is only like... 70 pounds over 2 years
00:22  * epsy got his arma to segfault while reading TEAM_BLUE_3 15
00:22 <Lucifer> wow, that's like 1/4 of my ex's weight
00:22  * Lucifer is exaggerating
00:22 <BabyBug> it's an 1/8th of it?1?
00:22 <epsy> nighty
00:22 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has quit ["uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"]
00:23 <guru3> anywho
00:23 <guru3> just thought i'd check
00:23 <BabyBug> guru3, what's the second site?
00:23 <Lucifer> girlsandguitars.com
00:23 <guru3> lol
00:23 <guru3> no
00:23 <guru3> animeseen.net
00:24 <BabyBug> oh ffs...what is it with the internet and anime ><
00:24 <BabyBug> 99.9% of people on the internet watch anime ><
00:24 <PinkTomato> its not the whole internet
00:24 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't know, it's sickening, isn't it?
00:24 <guru3> :<
00:24 <BabyBug> Lucifer, completely!
00:25 <Lucifer> although, some of those anime chicks are pretty hot
00:25  * BabyBug face palms
00:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8728 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out of it.
00:26 <PinkTomato> there's too much anime to choose the good stuff
00:26 <Lucifer> ok, time to start winding down and make my way to bed, I think
00:27 <z-man> luke-jr: can't mirror wrtl's private stuff. Sorry. bzr-svn is kind of stubborn that way.
00:27  * Lucifer is running 18 hours so far
00:27 <z-man> It would need to get moved to tools/php-client/trunk
00:27 <PinkTomato> don't you want to resync lucifer?
00:28 <Lucifer> that's what I'm doing
00:28 <Corn> damn 1 and a half hours to download 54 mb... stupid connection
00:28 <Lucifer> I woke up at 11:30pm
00:28 <PinkTomato> ah
00:28 <PinkTomato> taking a long long sleep then
00:28 <Corn> You know i was thinking about that today BabyBug, i came to the conclusion that they're asian wannabes
00:29 <BabyBug> what? O.o
00:29 <Lucifer> but asians don't like anime, it's produced for export to the US and UK
00:29 <Corn> Lucifer are you nocturnal or something dont you live in america?
00:29 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no not the UK
00:29 <Corn> hense its not late at all
00:29  * Lucifer is tired of explaining to people why he's on such an odd sleep schedule
00:30 <PinkTomato> What Lucifer said is pretty much true + france
00:30 <Lucifer> BabyBug: guru3 is in the UK....  they must export it there for him
00:30 <BabyBug> stress!
00:30 <BabyBug> Lucifer, england!
00:30 <BabyBug> not UK
00:30 <BabyBug> the UK is fake
00:30 <Lucifer> the UK is real
00:30 <Corn> :/
00:30 <BabyBug> fake
00:30 <Lucifer> see, the English conquered the island and tried to take ireland too
00:30 <Lucifer> but they were stopped short
00:31 <Lucifer> then they unilaterally created the UK
00:31 <Lucifer> and Sean Connery has been pissed about it ever since (he was there when they did it)
00:31 <Corn> your internal clock is skrewed
00:31 <BabyBug> one of these days i'm gonna get a saw and saw wales off England \o/
00:31 <Lucifer> Corn: no, it's the earth's rotation that's screwed
00:31 <Lucifer> BabyBug: and fall into economic meltdown, no doubt
00:32 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no it's your perception of the earth's rotation that's screwed
00:32 <Lucifer> not that that's a serious threat when we're in a global recession, mind you
00:32 <luke-jr> z-man: think he'd mind if I moved it there?
00:32 <BabyBug> Lucifer, England depend on us too much!
00:32 <PinkTomato> Woah
00:32 <z-man> luke-jr: without asking? I'd mind.
00:32 <luke-jr> BabyBug: the Earth doesn't rotate
00:32 <guru3> i'm off to bed
00:32 <BabyBug> people are moving from England to Wales just to get free medication ><
00:32 <guru3> good night
00:32 <BabyBug> night xx
00:33 <PinkTomato> night :)
00:33 <Corn> which is suprisingly similar to drug distribution
00:33 <z-man> Keeping others from meddling is one of the reasons to put suff into ones private directory.
00:33 <Lucifer> BabyBug: that's called cultural assimilation
00:33 <PinkTomato> BabyBug:  I'm certainly not going to wales to save £7
00:33 <luke-jr> z-man: how about a copy?
00:33 <z-man> That should be fine.
00:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it's called nicking Wales' money! =P
00:33 <luke-jr> and let wrtl delete the old one if he wants
00:34 <PinkTomato> Lots of welsh laws depend on you being part of england
00:34 <PinkTomato> considering they apply to both
00:34 <PinkTomato> huge rewrite
00:34 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, they are the stupid laws
00:34 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: We don't steal wales money, we still have to pay for University there :)
00:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8729 /tools/php-client/ (. trunk/): Make a tools dir for wrtl's pho client
00:34 <Lucifer> pho client?
00:35 <PinkTomato> I think you get a discount to study in wales
00:35 <BabyBug> If you're welsh you do yup!
00:35 <BabyBug> see...Being Welsh is so much better than being English
00:35 <PinkTomato> or eu citizen excluding UK
00:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: typo
00:35 <Corn> i have a confession
00:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8730 /tools/php-client/trunk/armagetron-php-client.php: Copy wrtl's PHP client into its new home; wrtl can delete the private one later
00:36 <PinkTomato> see your laws prefer the EU rather than the english at times :)
00:36 <PinkTomato> Corn: what sort of confession?
00:36 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Yet still the english refuse to take the hint =P
00:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8731 /tools/php-client/ (branches/ tags/): Forgot to make tags/branches
00:36 <Corn> Babybug, the point isnt making money; its stealing money.
00:37 <PinkTomato> lol BabyBug. If you can get a good majority of welsh people to vote for independence and succeed, I'll support the viewpoint ;)
00:37 <BabyBug> no Corn, stealing money was something to back the arguement that the english suck
00:37 <BabyBug> the point is that the english suck :P
00:38  * PinkTomato did not choose to be english :P
00:38 <BabyBug> even english people admit it! =P
00:38 <Corn> Did you know theres a town in whales that refused to let outsiders into the town so they resulted to incest
00:38 <BabyBug> Corn, that's a lie
00:39 <PinkTomato> they must not have had roads
00:39 <PinkTomato> since roads are public property
00:39 <Corn> PinkTomato: A secretive one.
00:40 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, what do you think about this shitty database being set up aswell? :P
00:40 <PinkTomato> what database is this?
00:40 <PinkTomato> the ID cards?
00:40 <PinkTomato> or the NHS one?
00:40 <BabyBug> A database to store all out phone txts, emails, phone conversations
00:40 <BabyBug> etc etc
00:40 <BabyBug> our*
00:40 <PinkTomato> we are not the US
00:40 <Corn> chavs....
00:40 <PinkTomato> stop copying them
00:40 <Corn> thats all they are
00:40 <Corn> damn chavs
00:41 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2233212/uk-government-outsource
00:41 <Corn> and you know what they suck? the welsh
00:41 <PinkTomato> the thing is, BT track this anyway
00:41 <PinkTomato> and such like
00:41 <BabyBug> phone calls and txts?
00:41 <z-man> luke-jr: https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/tools-php-client-trunk-work
00:41 <PinkTomato> well yeah, how else do you get billed
00:42 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, They mean containing the details of them.......
00:42 <BabyBug> As in the content
00:42 <luke-jr> z-man: thanks
00:42 <PinkTomato> but how...
00:42 <PinkTomato> phone calls as well.. that's an immense amount of data
00:42 <BabyBug> they're planning to spend 12 billion quid
00:42 <z-man> np
00:43 <BabyBug> That's an awful lot of space
00:43 <BabyBug> lol
00:43 <PinkTomato> £12billion...
00:43 <BabyBug> yes...
00:43 <PinkTomato> The only way for it to be effective
00:43 <PinkTomato> is to check every message
00:43 <PinkTomato> even if they employed 1/100 of the country, still not enough people for the time
00:44 <Corn> What is a lie? that you have self respect? I knew it!
00:44 <BabyBug> whether it's effective or not their doing it :P
00:44 <Corn> But really... what?
00:44 <PinkTomato> in fact, I think cold calling people asking them "Are you a terrorist?" would be more effective.
00:44 <BabyBug> i'd do that for a job!
00:44 <BabyBug> The pay must be great
00:44 <Corn> not really
00:44 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
00:44 <Corn> not if you live in a communist country
00:44 <smoothice> #seen wrtlprnft
00:44 <@armabot> smoothice: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 58 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> epsy: done.
00:45 <PinkTomato>  i think the true reason is for marketing
00:45 <PinkTomato> like how they sell the census
00:45 <BabyBug> Someone suggest a good new movie
00:46 <PinkTomato> what sort of movie?
00:46 <Corn> "BabyBug> Corn, that's a lie" What is?
00:47 <BabyBug> comedy? actions? detective kind of movies
00:47 <BabyBug> i dunno
00:47 <BabyBug> juts a good movie
00:47 <BabyBug> Corn, look at what you said exactly before it
00:48 <Corn> If you use secret code language the government wont understand what your talking about in the conversation. However neither will the person your talking to.
00:49 <PinkTomato> Corn: called arabic/french etc :P
00:49 <PinkTomato> or welsh :P
00:49 <Corn> lots of floppy disks huh
00:49 <PinkTomato> I'm sure they wouldn't hire welsh translators
00:49 <PinkTomato> too much effort
00:50 <Corn> Pink when they tap the phones they find keywords to look for.
00:50 <PinkTomato> how?
00:50 <PinkTomato> speech to text never works
00:51 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, they have things slightly more sophisticated than what we have access to =P
00:51 <Corn> Rolemodels
00:51 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: they said they were outsourcing
00:51 <PinkTomato> the government wouldn't trust a thirdparty company would they?
00:51 <PinkTomato> wait...
00:51 <PinkTomato> stupid question
00:51 <BabyBug> of course they would
00:51 <BabyBug> lol
00:52 <BabyBug> and tbh i'd rather a third party company handled it
00:52 <Corn> Exactly before what?
00:52 <BabyBug> our government is shit at keeping confidential information safe
00:52 <BabyBug> lol
00:52 <z-man> epsy, luke-jr: your concurrent edits of polish_transliterated.txt produced hefty unresolvable conflicts.
00:52 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: agreed
00:52 <z-man> Which do I keep?
00:52 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: same in the US
00:52 <PinkTomato> (23:38:22) Corn: Did you know theres a town in whales that refused to let outsiders into the town so they resulted to incest
00:53 <PinkTomato> that's your anwser
00:53 <luke-jr> z-man: polish_transliterated.txt of mine is just a direct import from the bug
00:53 <luke-jr> I wasn't aware epsy was touching it
00:53 <z-man> epsy touched it in bzr, you in svn
00:53 <z-man> now bazaarmagetron is stuck :)
00:53 <luke-jr> z-man: also, I don't see a purpose of the _transliterated variant
00:53 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: polish.txt does not work
00:53 <luke-jr> my polish.txt is minimally transliterated
00:54 <z-man> Well, isn't it supposed to work with incomplete fonts?
00:54 <Corn> Are we talking about england or wales
00:54 <luke-jr> z-man: ah, I did not check that
00:54 <PinkTomato> Corn: you said whales
00:54 <luke-jr> I only checked that polish.txt was Latin-1
00:54 <z-man> anyway, I'm ditching epsy's change.
00:54 <luke-jr> are we missing parts of Latin-1? O.o
00:54 <Corn> And its not like Welsh is a hard language to learn so Translators arent rare
00:54 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: polish.txt is windows-1250
00:54 <Corn> On the contrary
00:54 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: are you sure you're talking about the same polish.txt?
00:55 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: possibly not.
00:55 <BabyBug> lol
00:55 <Corn> Exactly
00:55 <Corn> 12 billion....
00:55 <PinkTomato> welsh sounds hard
00:55 <luke-jr> Corn: I'm sure a Welsh translation would be welcome
00:55 <PinkTomato> words like crwth
00:56 <BabyBug> lmao...there's so many conversations getting intertwined here
00:56 <PinkTomato> how is that even pronuncable
00:56 <BabyBug> haha PinkTomato
00:56 <Corn> third party companies are good at what they do or else they go out of business they have no tax shit to back them up
00:56 <Corn> Well its true
00:57 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, how do you think it's pronounced?
00:57 <PinkTomato> Qurf
00:57 <BabyBug> ><
00:58 <Corn> Well i misspelled
00:58 <BabyBug> crooth ... Like tooth (said the non posh way) except with cr at the beginning
00:58 <Corn> clearly if there was a town inside a whale it wouldnt make sense.
00:59 <PinkTomato> I get english prouncations wrong all the time anyway
00:59 <teabot> armacommits: [tools-php-client-trunk-work] r2 Copy wrtl's PHP client into its new home; wrtl can delete th... || [tools-php-client-trunk-work] r1 Make a tools dir for wrtl's pho client... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r746 Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an ...
00:59 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I just checked my svn copy, only works with windows-1250 or latin-2
00:59 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch =D
00:59 <Corn> We're talking about government conspiracy phone tapping not armagetron language conversion as far as i know i dont know any welsh speakers
00:59 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: crap, I guessed Latin-1 wrong XD
01:00 <PinkTomato> Latin-1 doesn't have that \L
01:00 <Corn> i like the sound of 'pronuncable'
01:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I don't even know where to begin with that :D
01:01 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, try the beginning xD
01:01 <PinkTomato> lawnfairpowellgeygillygoggery...
01:01 <BabyBug> ok you fail
01:01 <PinkTomato> I wasn't expected success :)
01:02 <Corn> cymru
01:02 <BabyBug> Cymru*
01:02 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: shouldn't polish.txt be omitted until a UTF-8/Latin-2 build?
01:03 <PinkTomato> there's no point having the squares and subscript 2 and 3's
01:03 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it should be made into Latin-1
01:03 <Corn> pronunciation.
01:03 <Corn> not pronuncication
01:03 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: has been, its the transliterated version.
01:03 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: the transliterated file had issues
01:04 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: what do you mean?
01:04 <luke-jr> such as lowercase upper chars, and being ASCII and not Latin-1
01:04 <PinkTomato> OK, convert the file into Latin-1?
01:04 <Corn> Is this welsh, Babybug?
01:05 <Corn> i especially like the ending, 'ogogogoch'
01:05 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: starting w/ the UTF-8 yes
01:06 <BabyBug> Corn, is what welsh?
01:07 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: surely the only way at the moment for armagetronad to get polish in a readable format is to use a transliterated one?
01:07 <BabyBug> is it me or does Corn appear to be reply to things said 10 minutes ago?
01:07 <BabyBug> replying*
01:07 <Corn> law-nuh-fay-er-pow-ell-gay-gill-ey-gog-ere
01:07 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: …
01:07 <BabyBug> that definatly isn't welsh
01:08 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: ?
01:09 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I don't understand why polish.txt is default when it does not work?
01:09 <PinkTomato> shouldn't it be commented out until utf-8 is complete?
01:09 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it will work before is released
01:09 <Corn> That long word.
01:09 <PinkTomato> is non-UTF8?
01:09 <luke-jr> right
01:09 <luke-jr> polish.txt will be Latin-1 for
01:10 <Corn> It seems you are aswell
01:10 <Corn> You replied to what i said 10 minutes ago and that was 'Is that welsh?
01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8732 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Bazaarmagetron
01:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging conflict from bzr, eliminating epsy's huge reformat:
01:11 <@armabot> armagetronad:  epsy 2009-01-02 1/ move "made by xxx" headers from language files to AUTHORS
01:11 <PinkTomato> the only way to get polish.txt latin-1 is to use polish_no special characters, as polish has characters that are not represented in latin-1.
01:11 <PinkTomato> latin-2 has the polish characters IIRC
01:13 <Corn> Babybug, respond to this message the moment you see it i want to test something.
01:13 <BabyBug> Corn
01:13 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: but Latin-1 does contain *some* Polish chars beyond ASCII, right?
01:13 <BabyBug> responded
01:16 <Corn> i wrote that message 3 minutes ago or maybe 6 minutes ago from when you see this
01:17 <BabyBug> Corn, then you've got some crazy lag
01:18 <BabyBug> [00:15:15] >Corn< CTCP VERSION
01:18 <BabyBug> [00:18:05] -Corn- VERSION xchat 2.8.7c Windows 5.1 [i686/1.66GHz]
01:18 <BabyBug> There's like a 3 minute lag ><
01:19 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: random subset of polish characters: żłąężióćść
01:19 <PinkTomato> the only one that is in latin-1 is: ó
01:22 <Corn> Yeah... well i dont really have the best connection.... 1300 ms but i couldnt imagine it being 3 minutes bad.
01:24 <PinkTomato> all that can be added, as far as I can see, to the transliterated version is ó.
01:24 <PinkTomato> as the translation does not use any other accented vowels. :)
01:25 <Lucifer> Take my worf.  Please!
01:25 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: what's a worf?
01:25 <Lucifer> klingon security officer on the enterprise
01:25 <BabyBug> Lucifer, arn't you meant to be sleeping?
01:26 <Lucifer> I wanted to watch a little star trek before I went to bed
01:26 <Lucifer> 'night
01:26 <BabyBug> ...
01:27 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ok, then that and the case issue
01:28 <z-man> night, Lucifer, and others
01:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8733 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: Yeah, of course. Screwed it up. Fix and new test commit.
01:28 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: would that require a Polish speaker?
01:28 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
01:29 <PinkTomato> night z-man, Lucifer :)
01:29 <PinkTomato> team_blue_1_help niebieska czesc koloru druzyny 1
01:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8734 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: prettier tag stripping output.
01:29 <PinkTomato> so that should be Neibieska?
01:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8735 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: Corrected branch deletion.
01:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8736 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/mirror.cfg): Bazaarmagetron: Added php client.
01:31 -!- z-man [n=manuel@] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
01:32 <luke-jr> bzr co lp:~luke-jr/+junk/yandere-port-arma; cd yandere-port-arma; ./bootstrap.sh; ./arma-yandere.php
01:32 <luke-jr> …and I just published my password
01:32 <luke-jr> sortof
01:38 <BabyBug> how did you?
01:39 <BabyBug> yandere O.o
01:40 <luke-jr> BabyBug: it's in the arma-yandere.php file
01:40 <luke-jr> for test@dashjr.org
01:40 <BabyBug> test.........
01:40 <luke-jr> by default, bootstrap.sh will grab my TWG branch
01:40 <luke-jr> XD
01:40 <BabyBug> wooooooooo logs in \o/
01:40 <luke-jr> ofc
01:40  * BabyBug is actually going to login just to see if you changed it
01:40 <luke-jr> it needs to login to bypass anti-spam
01:41 <luke-jr> BabyBug: nah
01:41 <smoothice> so
01:41 <smoothice> arma-yandere?
01:41 <BabyBug> you changed it!
01:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: it's skinned for TWG by default
01:41 <luke-jr> BabyBug: nope
01:41 <luke-jr> at least not intentionally
01:41 <luke-jr> O.o
01:42 <luke-jr> oh
01:42 <BabyBug> luke-jr, i know, i was just seeing if you were soooooo stupid that they were actually ssh details aswell xD
01:42 <luke-jr> I broke it
01:43 <PinkTomato> well I fixed polish.txt into UTF-8, 392 lines need ó put into them
01:43 <PinkTomato> probably worth writing a tiny script to it?
01:43 <PinkTomato> do it*
01:43 <luke-jr> ok, fixed it
01:43 <luke-jr> PinkTomato:  wtf?
01:43 <PinkTomato> ok, ?
01:43 <PinkTomato> you fixed it?
01:44 <luke-jr> not yet
01:44 <PinkTomato> ah
01:44 <PinkTomato> wtf are wtf'ing
01:44 <luke-jr> u make no sense
01:44 <PinkTomato> so I know where I am going wrong
01:44 <luke-jr> I'll do it
01:44 <PinkTomato> OK :)
01:44 <BabyBug> luke-jr, looks whos talking
01:44 <BabyBug> look who's*
01:44 <BabyBug> arf
01:45 <smoothice> luke-jr: For a limited time, get a free upgrade to quadruple the slots????
01:45 <smoothice> QUADRUPLE?
01:45 <smoothice> whoaz
01:45 <BabyBug> that's how desperate he is smoothice =P
01:46 <smoothice> I guess... :/
01:46 <luke-jr> smoothice: a very limited time
01:46 <smoothice> luke-jr: We'll see about that...
01:46 <luke-jr> ⁇?
01:47 <smoothice> if babybug is right then it isn't a limited time
01:47 <BabyBug> smoothice, note: I'm hardly ever right
01:47 <smoothice> BabyBug: ...
01:47 <luke-jr> the only way it's not is if I forget about it and nobody starts service
01:47 <luke-jr> most likely I'll revert it after a few people sign up with it
01:47 <luke-jr> :þ
01:47 <BabyBug> Yes smoothice?
01:48 <BabyBug> I talk a load of crap most the of time...You need to learn to filter what's crap and what's not...Or just /ignore me :P
01:48 <BabyBug> (i'm sure alot of people have already) xD
01:48 <smoothice> ok
01:48 <smoothice> I apparently ignored you
01:48 <smoothice> I typed /ignore BabyBug
01:48 <smoothice> how do you unignore?
01:48 <BabyBug> he ignored me \o/
01:48 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: … my polish.txt IS already Latin-1
01:48 <BabyBug> no one tell him!
01:48 <luke-jr> not Latin-2
01:49 <smoothice> is it /unignore?
01:49 <luke-jr> smoothice: no idea
01:49 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: that's odd you sure it has the characters?
01:49 <smoothice> BabyBug: say something
01:49 <BabyBug> smoothice
01:49 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: as I said, I had to replace about 5
01:49 <PinkTomato> oh, you already did that
01:50 <PinkTomato> the funny L is D or something though
01:50 <luke-jr> …
01:50 <PinkTomato> Ok luke-jr, I apologise, the whole discussion has been a waste
01:50 <PinkTomato> as it has already been transliterated into latin-1
01:50 <PinkTomato> with ó assumeably
01:51 <BabyBug> lol PinkTomato
01:51 <BabyBug> That deserves a face palm!
01:53  * PinkTomato face palms
01:54 <luke-jr> #google fight themable themeable
01:54 <@armabot> luke-jr: themable: 171000, themeable: 66900
01:55 <PinkTomato> who needs to spell?
01:55 <luke-jr> …
01:56 <PinkTomato> is themable a word then?
01:56 <luke-jr> neither are in the dictionary
01:56 <PinkTomato> oh so it is
01:56 <luke-jr> themeable seems to be prevailant in Microsoft
01:56 <luke-jr> themable in open source
01:56 <luke-jr> so the latter it is :D
01:57 <PinkTomato> :)
02:00 <teabot> armacommits: [tools-bzr-trunk-work] r38 Added php client.... || [tools-bzr-trunk-work] r37 Corrected branch deletion.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r972 Merging conflict from bzr, eliminating epsy's huge reformat:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r971 missing newlines || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r970 new polish files; polish.txt is UTF-8 -> Latin-1 translit || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r969 fix include spelling || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r968 new
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02:32 <GodTodd> anyone who misspells prevalent should probably go opposite their own spelling instinct. ;)
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02:55 <Corn> wtf is .nsi
02:56 <Corn> never even heard of it
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03:08 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
03:22 <Corn> @sd -v =sumo=
03:22 <teabot> Corn: Wild West  =Sumo= ( running unix dedicated, url: www.lagtest.net, Description: “Default Sumo Configuration“, Players (14/14): -=VcL.DieseL, -=}ID< Carnage, -=}WinDeR<, .:dk:. joKer, 1200, aeon, apparition, Caligrl, Longballlasch, raph, T<~3sr3v3r, VcLF8, _-'Ww_|Shock, ~*inSaniTik*~
03:28 <Corn> @calc 2500/60
03:28 <teabot> Corn: 2500 / 60 = 41.6666667
03:33 <Corn> 3.141592
03:43 <ct|kyle> @calc PI
03:43 <teabot> ct|kyle: PI = 3.14159265
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04:32 <BabyBug> ct|kyle
04:33 <ct|kyle> BabyBug:
04:33 <BabyBug> Hiya =)
04:34 <smoothice> ct
04:34 <smoothice> ct|kyle: found a great VPS and bought it
04:34  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
04:34  * BabyBug fondles ct|kyle 
04:34 <ct|kyle> smoothice: nice where and ram
04:34 <smoothice> ct
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: 512 megabytes of RAM and up to 1GB Burst. OpenVZ. at fsckvps.com
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: for $9.95
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: setup within five minutes... They aren't kidding
04:35 <ct|kyle> in US?
04:36 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Atlanta :)
04:36 <BabyBug> smoothice, that's because VPS' can be set up with an automatic script on signup =P
04:36 <ct|kyle> any money back guarantee?
04:36 <smoothice> ct|kyle: 7 days
04:36 <smoothice> but
04:36 <ct|kyle> not bad enough time to test
04:36 <smoothice> yeah
04:36 <smoothice> but
04:36 <ct|kyle> what OS?
04:37 <smoothice> Ubuntu 8, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian
04:37 <smoothice> I use ubuntu 8.04
04:37 <smoothice> Upgradable to latest version though
04:37 <ct|kyle> nice i'd pick gentoo :)
04:38 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, emerge moo
04:38 <smoothice> ct|kyle: why gentoo?
04:39 <ct|kyle> :)
04:39 <ct|kyle> I like gentoo
04:39 <smoothice> I prefer Ubuntu despite luke's hatred against it
04:40 <smoothice> It's as close as I can get to Debian without being Debian
04:40 <ct|kyle> I've been using gentoo or gentoo based for 99% of my linux time
04:40 <ct|kyle> all our tron servers are debian
04:41 <BabyBug> People who hate ubuntu only hate it because it's so popular.
04:41 <BabyBug> Isn't that right luke-jr!?
04:41 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Yeah the web server you said also runs tron for ct shows this:
04:41 <smoothice> Apache/2.2.8 (Debian) PHP/5.2.5-3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g
04:42 <ct|kyle> ya, like i said we have 3
04:42 <BabyBug> and they all lag like hell =x
04:43 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: no i just don't like it, gentoo is more fun, and easier to fix (if you don't emerge -C gcc)
04:44 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, not liking and hate are two different things. I'm not saying ubuntu is the best out there. What i said was a dig at luke-jr not you =P
04:44 <BabyBug> although i would have to disagree about the easier to fix =P
04:46 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I envy all the crazy-tronners... a blend between playing and cool servers and armahacktron :)
04:47 <ct|kyle> heh
04:47 <ct|kyle> I'm working on fixing armahacktron
04:47 <ct|kyle> I found 1 bug
04:47 <smoothice> cool
04:47 <smoothice> Any new features soon
04:47 <smoothice> ?
04:47 <BabyBug> fixing? what's broke about it? =\
04:47 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: do i have to show you
04:48 <ct|kyle> gain
04:48 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, one line of text will do :P
04:48 <ct|kyle> again*
04:48 <BabyBug> Oh ok i have a bad memory
04:48 <BabyBug> ignore me then =P
04:48 <ct|kyle> zone -> wall interaction
04:48 <smoothice> Ubuntu 6.06 is still supported :O?
04:48 <smoothice> :O
04:48 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: ya you cuddle too much :P
04:48 <ct|kyle> ya for what 2 more years?
04:49 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, oh i remember now!
04:49 <BabyBug> heh :$
04:49 <ct|kyle> I have it mostly fixed
04:50 <BabyBug> well that's an improvement on "I have no idea why it's doing it" =)
04:51 <ct|kyle> voodoo dropped a division for some reasen when adding it to current 0.2.8.*
04:51 <BabyBug> lol
04:51 <ct|kyle> now it is in the pWall's
04:51 <ct|kyle> the rest anyway
04:51 <BabyBug> perhaps someone poked a pin in him at the time
04:51 <BabyBug> x)
04:52 <BabyBug> (ok that was a shit joke but live with it)
04:52 <ct|kyle> his wife probably got upset at him
04:53 <smoothice> ct|kyle: What platform is your current computer? (that you're using now)
04:53 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: i did not even get that one, and i've been making a lot of shit jokes like that all night
04:53 <ct|kyle> gentoo
04:53 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, lol
04:54 <smoothice> ct|kyle: You love gentoo...
04:54 <ct|kyle> :)
04:55 <BabyBug> smoothice, if you know how to use it gentoo is very nice.
04:55 <smoothice> what gui does it use?
04:55 <smoothice> gnome, kde?
04:55 <smoothice> xfce?
04:55 <BabyBug> Ubuntu is the lazy option for people who want to ditch windows but can't be bothered to learn how linux works
04:55 <BabyBug> gentoo is the nicest \o/
04:55 <ct|kyle> whatever one i install
04:56 <smoothice> o
04:56 <ct|kyle> hardly anything is default in gentoo
04:56 <smoothice> which one are you using now/
04:56 <ct|kyle> KDE 3.5.9
04:56 <smoothice> 3.5?
04:56 <smoothice> :(
04:56 <smoothice> Why not 4?
04:56 <ct|kyle> I've been waiting for 4 to improve
04:56 <smoothice> o
04:57 <ct|kyle> last i used it it was not as configurable as this (then again that was the release)
04:57 <ct|kyle> 4.0
04:57 <smoothice> oh
04:59 <smoothice> dlh: I love your old-glancing branch
04:59 <smoothice> dlh: The awesome features of the trunk with the awesome glancing of 0.2.8
05:00 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, What do you prefer about KDE over Gnome? (genuine curiosity, not trying to start a flame war..)
05:00 <ct|kyle> what awesome glancing of 0.2.8? awesome is 0.3.*
05:00 <smoothice> BabyBug: It's prettier
05:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: yes
05:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: actually i have not used gnome in years
05:01 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I think the glancing in 0.2.8 is better... just my opinion!
05:01 <ct|kyle> probably less current gnome then my windows 7 time
05:02 <BabyBug> Considering the size of Microsoft, you would of thought they'd be more consistant in the way they name their OS'
05:02 <ct|kyle> but back with mandriva 2006 i liked KDE better than gnome
05:02 <smoothice> no
05:03 <ct|kyle> 7.4 GB is windows 7 build 7000
05:03  * BabyBug has had way too much chocolate and feels sick
05:03  * BabyBug is a pig
05:03 <ct|kyle> actually more than that, that is just C:/windows
05:04 <ct|kyle> * BabyBug goes oink *
05:04 <smoothice> BabyBug = groundpig :)?
05:04 <smoothice> ;)
05:04 <BabyBug> galaxy is always soooooooooooo nice
05:04 <ct|kyle> na not that smart :P and wrong location
05:05  * BabyBug pokes her stomach....OK i really need to stop eating chocolate
05:05  * BabyBug goes on a diet!
05:05  * ct|kyle throws 5 more pieces in BabyBug
05:05  * BabyBug runs away from them
05:06 <ct|kyle> lol
05:06 <smoothice> #me pokes BabyBug
05:06  * BabyBug is actually the perfect weight!
05:06 <ct|kyle> i knew it BabyBug is fat
05:06 <smoothice> #say /me pokes BabyBug.
05:06 <@armabot> /me pokes BabyBug.
05:06 <BabyBug> I am not fat ><
05:06 <smoothice> BabyBug: can you shut up?
05:06 <BabyBug> nuuuuuuuu
05:06 <smoothice> ok
05:06 <smoothice> I'll ignore you
05:06 <BabyBug> far too hyper and can't sleep
05:06 <smoothice> Now I understand why
05:07 <BabyBug> \o/
05:07 <smoothice> ct|kyle: so the crazy-tronners servers are hosted in Germany?
05:07 <ct|kyle> smoothice: yes
05:08 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Doesn't that mean pings will be bad for US players?
05:08 <ct|kyle> 160-200 i get
05:08 <smoothice> I'm getting 224 on CTWF :(
05:09 <ct|kyle> i've been playing on their servers for most of my tron time, i'm used to them
05:09 <ct|kyle> you must live on the west coast or your ISO sucks
05:09 <ct|kyle> ISP*
05:10 <smoothice> ct|kyle: now It was 150
05:11 <smoothice> but
05:11 <smoothice> yeah
05:13 <ct|kyle> could be having a bad net time right now also
05:14 <ct|kyle> my ping is probably better than yours on your server
05:14 <smoothice> ct|kyle: are you near atlanta?
05:14 <ct|kyle> indiana
05:15 <smoothice> ct|kyle: o
05:15 <ct|kyle> about 8 hour car drive (i think)
05:15 <ct|kyle> maybe 10
05:16 <ct|kyle> google says 10 hours
05:16 <ct|kyle> 8 days and 1 hour to walk :P
05:17 <smoothice> lol
05:26 <smoothice> ct|kyle: any crazy-tronners servers here in the US?
05:28 <ct|kyle> none yet
05:29 <smoothice> ct|kyle: ok...
05:29 <smoothice> ct|kyle: No good deals :P ?
05:31 <ct|kyle> well, no electronic money :P
05:32 <smoothice> ?
05:33 <ct|kyle> I don't even have a checking account :P
05:33 <smoothice> ct|kyle: no paypal?
05:33 <ct|kyle> nope
05:33 <ct|kyle> :P
05:34 <smoothice> ct|kyle: How do you live on the Internet and be a crazy-tronner servertech if you have no PayPal account
05:34 <smoothice> *palm over face*
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05:36 <ct|kyle> well, i do plan on donating to our 2 hosters once i get that
05:36 <smoothice> ivantis2: Ever going to update your sty+ct branch?
05:36 <ct|kyle> heh it is only 1 revision out of date
05:36 <ivantis2> smoothice: why?
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05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: otherwise you have no chance on getting merges into the mainline
05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: oh right
05:37 <ivantis2> ... so what should i do?
05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: sty+ct :P
05:37 <ivantis2> yeah
05:38 <ivantis2> no chance anyway. i dont really care
05:39 <ivantis2> why is USD an S with a line through it and not a D with a line through it?
05:40 <smoothice> $ is cooler than D
05:40 <ivantis2> £€$¥
05:40 <ivantis2> ¥ is cool
05:41 <smoothice> ¨lol
05:41 <smoothice> ümlaut
05:41 <smoothice> §
05:41 <ivantis2> ß
05:43 <ivantis2> i think you mean dïäërësïs
05:43 <ivantis2> i like the Android/G1 keyboard setup
05:44 <smoothice> ¡™£¢∞§¶•ª
05:45 <ivantis2> ¡£ç§×÷€•
05:48 <ct|kyle> smoothice: the VPS place you sent me f=does not have gentoo but has debian
05:48 <smoothice> ct|kyle: It might not be listed on the web site but in my hypervm control panel I have the option to rebuild with Gentoo
05:48 <ct|kyle> ah
05:49 <ct|kyle> it had debian listed for ordering
05:49 <smoothice> gentoo-20060317-i686-stage3 and
05:49 <smoothice> gentoo-openvz-x86-2008.11.30
05:50 <ct|kyle> ah
05:51 <smoothice> and Debian 4.0
05:51 <smoothice> Here's the full list
05:52 <smoothice> CentOS 5
05:52 <smoothice> Debian 4.0
05:52 <smoothice> Fedora 9
05:52 <smoothice> Fedora 10
05:52 <smoothice> Gentoo
05:52 <smoothice> OpenSUSE 10
05:52 <smoothice> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, 7.10, 8.04 LTS
05:53 <smoothice> You'd pick Debian 4.0 for your new VPS?
05:53 <ct|kyle> that or gentoo
05:54 <smoothice> ok
05:54 <smoothice> Currently I'm using ubuntu-8.04-i386-minimal
05:54 <smoothice> All of those version are upgradable using the standard upgrade system
05:55 <ct|kyle> ya, i see
05:58 <mkzelda> you really dont want to use the 2006 snapshot for gentoo unless you like pain
05:58 <mkzelda> massive blocks
05:58 <ct|kyle> i was thinking that also
05:58 <smoothice> gentoo-openvz-x86-2008.11.30 then :)
05:58 <mkzelda> that one should be good, used that recently
06:00 <ct|kyle> i just upgraded to 2008.0
06:00 <ct|kyle> been on 2007.0
06:01 <ct|kyle> smoothice: I'll have to see how your server handles tron, then i may buy one for CT  for a US CTWF :)
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06:01 <smoothice> ok
06:02 <smoothice> Wanna try now?
06:02 <ct|kyle> you have it ready?
06:02 <smoothice> In 5 minutes :P?
06:02 <smoothice> what do you want?
06:02 <smoothice> sump?
06:02 <smoothice> fortress?
06:02 <ct|kyle> sumo would be ther hardest on it
06:03 <smoothice> Ok
06:03 <smoothice> We'll try sumo
06:03 <smoothice> I can test CPU usage too
06:04 <ct|kyle> cool i can buy a cash debit card and pay for one that way
06:06 <luke-jr> BabyBug: no
06:06 <BabyBug> lol luke-jr
06:06 <luke-jr> smoothice: no reason not to use Debian
06:07 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: luke-jr, does not like gnome
06:07 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: I don't like leechers eitehr
06:07 <BabyBug> you're jealous luke-jr
06:08 <luke-jr> jealous of… nothing?
06:10 <BabyBug> canonical
06:10 <BabyBug> (shooting stars is soooo the best program eva made)
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07:12 <luke-jr> BabyBug: canonical does nothing
07:12 <BabyBug> luke-jr, yes they do
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08:57 <teabot> armablah: Twenty-Oh-Eight, the Fortress Year in Review « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/twenty-oh-eight-the-fortress-year-in-review/>
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09:21 <luke-jr> https://code.launchpad.net/~luke-jr fwiw
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09:57 <Flex> #ping
09:57 <@armabot> pong
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11:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: feel free to directly svn move my stuff next time… it's not private as in “mine! stay away, just look at it in awe”, but more as in “i don't want to clutter the tools directory with stuff only I use”
11:11 <Lucifer> yay, my domain will survive for another year :
11:11 <Lucifer> er
11:11 <Lucifer> :)
11:12  * Lucifer wonders if a domain registration is good enough for change of address at ACC
11:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8737 /private/wrtlprnft/serverinfo.php: removed serverinfo.php, it's maintained in tools/php-client and lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/tools-php-client-trunk-work now
11:18 <Lucifer> ok, now I'll give the autopackage a sserious shot and build apgcc builds of libxml2 and ftgl
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12:01 <teabot> tstnews: Registration is now open <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/registration-is-now-open/>
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13:00 <Lucifer> grrrr
13:00 <Lucifer> heh, where's z-man when you need him?  ;)
13:00 <epsy> moarning
13:00 <Lucifer> mourning epsy
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13:17 <Lizmatic> o/
13:17 <PinkTomato> o/
13:17 <wrtlprnft> /o
13:17 <epsy> ¦o
13:18 <wrtlprnft> now imagine this kind of conversation in real life
13:18 <epsy> :D
13:20 <PinkTomato> lol :), left mouse button is button 2 in trunk
13:20 <PinkTomato> does that make sense to anyone?
13:20 <epsy> do we have middle-click pasting in trunk, by the way?
13:20 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: yes, it's how SDL gives it to us
13:20 <PinkTomato> my middle button is backward look
13:21 <Lucifer> SDL assumes a 5 button mouse, iirc
13:21 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did it change?
13:21 <epsy> most mouses have 5 button
13:21 <Lucifer> not that I know of
13:21 <epsy> left, right, middle, roll up, roll down
13:21 <Lucifer> epsy: I mean 5 buttons + scrollwheel
13:21 <PinkTomato> Oh, when I use 0.2.8 the buttons are all wrong
13:22 <PinkTomato> i think
13:22 <Lucifer> so, left bottom, left top, right top, right bottom, middle, and the scrollwheel (two more buttons in SDL)
13:22 <Lucifer> I could be wrong, maybe something did change
13:22 <Lucifer> I never use my mouse in the trunk :)
13:22 <Lucifer> now I see why z-man always sets his package builders to run right before he goes to bed, this takes forever
13:23 <epsy> *insert comment about menus*
13:23 <PinkTomato> oh will the default key bindings be fixed in 0.2.8?
13:24 <Lucifer> er, what's wrong with them?
13:24 <epsy> are they broken?
13:24 <PinkTomato> unknown key
13:24 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I want to put default key bindings for the media player in 0.3.1
13:24 <epsy> for?
13:24 <PinkTomato> and the mouse only rotates the view in one direction
13:24 <epsy> I thought you wanted to scrap the mp :P
13:24 <Lucifer> I do, but 0.3.1 is getting the old media player
13:25 <epsy> and what keys do you plan on using?
13:25 <Lucifer> op[]
13:25 <Lucifer> stop, play, prev, next, respectively
13:26 <epsy> .. we should have specific default bindings for different keyboards
13:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: OK, someone did fix them a little
13:26 <PinkTomato> Unknown key is gone in the trunk
13:27 <PinkTomato> except, pressing a mouse button zooms out
13:27 <Lucifer> epsy: that'll require us to be able to detect what keyboard someone is using
13:27 <epsy> use the select your language menu
13:27 <PinkTomato> and there is not a button on the mouse to zoom back in.
13:27 <epsy> it fits that menu very well
13:27 <Lucifer> do the forums accept .package files?
13:27 <epsy> doubt it
13:28 <Lucifer> well, the client didn't build with my special ftgl anyway
13:28 <Lucifer> but that's not needed for the server, heh
13:31 <PinkTomato> How would someone know what keyboard they are using?
13:31 <epsy> by reading it's 6 first letters?
13:32 <epsy> we can always preselect based on OS config
13:32 <PinkTomato> Ah I remeber, azerty etc.
13:39 <Lucifer> grrrr
13:39 <Lucifer> how do I get configure to use a different ftgl than the system installed one?  :(
13:40 <PinkTomato> LDLIBRARY PATH? something like that?
13:41 <PinkTomato> it was what I used.
13:42 <Lucifer> I need some libraries linked from system locations, and some linked from a different location
13:42 <Lucifer> problem is, ftgl doesn't provide a ftgl-config script, it expects pkg-config
13:43 <Lucifer> but if I install pkg-config in this special location, it'll be used instead of the system-wide one for packages I need that are system-wide
13:43 <Lucifer> otherwise, just using a custom path would work (it works for picking up libxml2)
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13:54 <PinkTomato> can't you do PATH=%PATH%;new path like DOS?
13:54 <PinkTomato> no wait, I would pick up the librarys in the old path too
14:00 <Lucifer> the problem is the use of pkg-config
14:00 <Lucifer> in fact, I'm probably about to break it all, heh
14:00 <Lucifer> installing an apgcc-built freetype, and pkg-config to the special place
14:00 <Lucifer> might be better to just install an apgcc-built package for everything that we use pkg-config for
14:01 <Lucifer> that'd be the tail wagging the dog, but might result in a more portable autopackage
14:01 <Lucifer> I guess it's a question of necessity
14:01 <Lucifer> anyway, I'm already doing PATH=/new/path:$PATH to get it to find xml2-config
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14:06 <PinkTomato> I can see why we have only had one person capable of building a .package :)
14:08 <Lucifer> heh
14:08 <Lucifer> we don't, I can build an autopackage without worrying about ftgl and just linking to my system library
14:08 <Lucifer> the last time z-man built an autopackage, he either did that or didn't have to deal with ftgl
14:08 <K-Yo> #ls flex
14:08 <@armabot> K-Yo: reflex_ has last been seen on  ~*SpeederS*~ Server 12 hours 18 minutes ago.
14:11 <Lizmatic> speeders..wtf.
14:56 <epsy> there should only be 3 servers --Lizmatic
15:02 <PinkTomato> #ls hoop
15:02 <@armabot> PinkTomato: timed out
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15:32 <Lucifer> is there a size limit on attachments on the forums?
15:32 <Lucifer> aha, there is
15:34 <epsy>                         if (!shouldChangeFunc_ || shouldChangeFunc_(dummy))
15:34 <Lucifer> who are you calling a dummy?
15:35 <epsy> that seems to be calling shouldChangeFunc_ when it is NULL
15:35 <Lucifer> is that bad?
15:35 <epsy> (NULL)()
15:36  * Lucifer wants a glass of water, but doesn't want to go downstairs to get it.  His roommate is talking to a house guest about kids and school, and neither know what they're talking about.
15:36 <Lucifer> the first part of the conditional tests to make sure shouldChangeFunc_ itself isn't null
15:36 <BabyBug> Lucifer, then correct them!
15:36 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't want to, that's why I don't want to go down there
15:36 <epsy> now it still is :<
15:36 <BabyBug> Lucifer, can't you just go and get a glass of water without correcting them? =\
15:37 <Lucifer> epsy: wait, reread that
15:38 <Lucifer> the conditional says "if shouldChangeFunc_ is NULL or ..."
15:38 <epsy> if it's NULL it should go on..
15:38 <Lucifer> so whatever follows is to be executed when it is NULL
15:38 <Lucifer> then remove the !
15:38 <Lucifer> the second part of the conditional only gets evaluated when the first part is false
15:38 <epsy> pointers are expressed as ints right?
15:38 <Lucifer> ummm, sorta
15:39 <Lucifer> a null pointer should have the value of 0 in it  :)
15:39 <epsy> what's annoying with this is that's it's in tConfiguration.>>H<<
15:39 <epsy> which is included from pretty much everywhere in the game
15:39 <Lucifer> heh, move it :)
15:40 <epsy> I wonder what it is even doing there
15:40 <Lucifer> yeah, I was just commenting that if you want to rebuild the whole game, modify tConfiguration.h
15:40 <epsy> haha
15:40 <Lucifer> is it an inline function?  If not, move it to the .cpp file so you don't have to wrestle with building the whole game
15:40 <Lucifer> anyway, I've got autopackages for people to test
15:41 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201780#201780
15:41 <epsy> virtual and in the class declaration
15:42 <Lucifer> ok, I'm going downstairs, hopefully they've moved on to a different topic
15:42  * Lucifer is hungry, too
15:43 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: are these the same as before?
15:43 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: oh there's a dedicated one, testing now
15:44 <epsy> I bet you wont see Lucifer for a little while now
15:48 <epsy> 162704128 <-- shouldChangeFunc_
15:51 <PinkTomato> closing the terminal window of the server does not end its instance, don't know if this is good/bad behaviour.
15:52 <PinkTomato> breakfast_in_hell.cfg works, at least with only one player
15:53 <epsy> instead, it will reload it's config
15:54 <epsy> I guess another signal as HUP should be used
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16:21 <teabot> armacommits: [old-glancing] r746 Merge with trunk... || [old-glancing] Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change ...
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16:38 <epsy> oh, that's why it segv'd
16:38 <epsy> uhmm
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17:13 <Corn> love this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7x4W7xu8yg&feature=channel
17:14 <Corn> just came across it again
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17:14 <epsy> @title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7x4W7xu8yg&feature=channel
17:14 <teabot> epsy: YouTube - tronic cup
17:17 <epsy> meh, /help is broken
17:17 <epsy> or only default topics, at least
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17:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
17:42 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
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17:49 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.2.0.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
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18:18 <epsy> Lucifer, is there a reason you can't construct a tOutput with a tString as identifier?
18:22 <viper> mazuffer you know what time we are playing against CT ?
18:22 <MaZuffeR> 20 gmt
18:22 <viper> cheers :)
18:22 <Corn> Beat them for me will you?
18:22 <viper> of course xD
18:23 <Corn> is it a full on 8v8 or a mini war
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18:23 <viper> im not quite sure xD
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18:24 <Corn> yo sage
18:24 <viper> sagy :)
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18:29 <Lucifer> epsy: I don't understand the question
18:29 <Lucifer> you mean something like this?
18:29 <Lucifer> tOutput(tString() )
18:29 <Lucifer> ?
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18:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, they're not the same as the ones before
18:32 <Lucifer> libxml2 was built with apgcc in these, which should make it more portable
18:32 <Lucifer> I was hoping to get ftgl also built with apgcc, but didn't manage it
18:32 <Lucifer> I'm wanting to talk to z-man about what he did for 0.3.0 packages to see if I need to worry about ftgl
18:33 <Lucifer> for now, that is
18:33 <PinkTomato> ah right
18:33 <Lucifer> I'm considering writing a little python script to download and build all of arma's dependencies to help cross-compiling, and it can probably be used for autopackages too, it's just questionable whether or not it's useful for autopackages
18:34  * Lucifer already has a python script written to do the heavy lifting
18:37 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: client still 404s on resource :)
18:38 <Lucifer> yeah, I haven't looked at that yet :)
18:38 <epsy> like tOutput(blah) where blah is a tString
18:38 <Lucifer> epsy: doesn't tOutput represent something more like an output device?
18:38 <epsy> right now it creates a new tOutput with blah as 1st template parameter
18:38 <Lucifer> it's usually the console
18:39 <epsy> tOutput is was makes arma i21d
18:39 <Lucifer> er, wait a minute, I'm not remembering how to use tOutput, heh
18:39 <Lucifer> yeah, I know it handles translating, I guess it doesn't represent a device, then
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18:39 <Lucifer> maybe it should be a device :)
18:40 <Lucifer> blah, I don't remember, I haven't touched tOutput since I wrote the clock hack
18:40 <Lucifer> that was pre-0.2.8
18:40 <epsy> m3e i18n s4d be h5d by g5t
18:40 <Lucifer> who's running aabeta right now?  is it luke-jr?
18:40 <epsy> probably
18:41 <epsy> @list filter
18:41 <teabot> epsy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
18:41 <epsy> time for some python
18:41 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: screenshot: http://dessert.ath.cx/oddblue.png there's an odd blueness.
18:42 <Lucifer> check your floor settings
18:42 <Lucifer> that's the line colors bleeding
18:42 <Lucifer> it looks really pretty, actually
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18:44 <PinkTomato> FLOOR_DETAIL 2 fixes it
18:46 <Lucifer> hey, currently in a source tarball, are the resources shipped already built, or do you need python to build the resources?
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19:07 <epsy> where's pythonlover when you need her
19:07 <Corn> <3 python
19:07 <epsy> ah, got one
19:08 <Corn> armabot impregnated me with python
19:08 <epsy> 2 questions, how do I count what's in a [] and how do I implode a []
19:08 <epsy> whatever you call that
19:09 <Corn> No idea i barely even know c++ i havent tackled python
19:09 <epsy> ..
19:09 <epsy> is there a real python lover around?
19:09 <Corn> Lucifer?
19:09 <epsy> or at least, what the fuck are arrays called with python
19:09 <K-Yo> I think ct|kyle like python, no?
19:10 <Lucifer> lists
19:10 <Lucifer> sequence types
19:10 <Lucifer> something = []
19:10 <epsy> that
19:24 <epsy> how do I access element i of a list?
19:25 <MaZuffeR> list[i]
19:36 <wrtlprnft> fortunately it has sane numbering (ie list[0] is valid)
19:37 <epsy> -1 works as well
19:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ok
19:37 <wrtlprnft> but [0] is most important :-)
19:37 <epsy> still, python ftl :)
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i have yet to see a python program that doesn't annoy the hell out of me
19:38 <wrtlprnft> by being slow, buggy, throwing exceptions, eating tons of memory, or all of the above
19:38 <epsy> 'ight, bzr is slow
19:39 <wrtlprnft> bzr is the best i've seen yet, though
19:39 <epsy> too
19:39 <epsy> it is _only_ slow
19:39 <wrtlprnft> it's usable and you don't immediately see it's python
19:39 <epsy> babybug should be here
19:40 <wrtlprnft> what really amazes me is frozen-bubbles… I was really surprised when i read it was written in perl
19:40 <epsy> well, fb annoys me
19:41 <wrtlprnft> loading takes a while (i wonder what it does in all that time), but otherwise it's great imho
19:42 <epsy> I had seen everybody being so enthusiastic for months about it and what do I discover?
19:42 <epsy> it's a tetris variant.................
19:42 <wrtlprnft> well, it's one of the first linux games i played
19:42 <epsy> mine was something like kolf
19:42 <epsy> crappy hell
19:43 <wrtlprnft> and online games *are* a lot of fun
19:43 <epsy> then neverball/-putt
19:43 <epsy> arma, nex, trem, back to nex, warsow, back to nex
19:43 <epsy> damn intel
19:44 <epsy> always gets in the way
19:44 <epsy> ie. I can't play regular DM on warsow
19:44 <epsy> regular DM or whatever's not with instagib..some trail effects will just trash my PC
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19:46 <Concord> #armagetron.tourneys
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19:50 <epsy> BabyBug, time to rage, check the logs!
19:52 <BabyBug> epsy, i really can't be bothered to :P
19:53 <BabyBug> I'm gonna say Python Rox though!
19:53 <epsy> hahahaha
19:53 <epsy> uhm...where the fuck is substr?
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19:54 <BabyBug> what?
19:54 <epsy> how do I say
19:55 <epsy> I want the string that can be found in this string for poistition a to poistion b
19:55 <BabyBug> you talking about in python?
19:56 <epsy> yes, I'm talking about snakes
19:56 <Concord> your 'python' killed my 'leopard'
19:56 <BabyBug> string[2:10] <-- Where 2 is the starting position and 10 is the ending position to grab from the string?
19:56 <epsy> ok
19:56 <Concord> xP
19:57 <epsy> now why isn't this documented? I don't know
19:57 <BabyBug> lol
19:57 <K-Yo> #ls hoop
19:57 <@armabot> K-Yo: timed out
19:57 <PinkTomato> #lastseen hoop
19:57 <epsy> out.append(''.join( word )[0-8])
19:57 <@armabot> PinkTomato: timed out
19:58 <epsy> python prevents bad habits *cough*
19:58 <PinkTomato> armabot: what! that worked earlier
19:58 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: about a day ago it said
19:58 <BabyBug> lol epsy?
20:00 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, thx
20:02 <BabyBug> epsy, why are you coding in python if you hate it so much?
20:02 <epsy> because i don't have the choice
20:03 <BabyBug> what you doing?
20:03 <epsy> editing soupybot
20:03 <BabyBug> ahhhhhhhh
20:03 <BabyBug> to do what?
20:03  * BabyBug is nosey
20:03 <epsy> agnangangnangagnang
20:03 <BabyBug> gang bang?
20:03 <epsy> exactly
20:03 <BabyBug> i see
20:03 <epsy> well-read
20:03 <BabyBug> ^^
20:04 <Concord> @lastseen hoop
20:04 <teabot> Concord: -»|hoop has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 1 day 8 hours 31 minutes ago.
20:07 <Lucifer> epsy: supybot is *not* an example of good python coding
20:08 <Lucifer> it is an example of clever python coding, but not good python coding
20:09 <Lucifer> oh yeah
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20:09 <Lucifer> epsy: BabyBug's example *is* documented, it's called slice notation
20:09 <Lucifer> it works on any sequence type, not just strings
20:09 <epsy> omg you quitted it
20:09 <Lucifer> I did not
20:09 <Lucifer> somebody's fucking with me
20:09 <epsy> how do you put comments in python source??
20:10 <BabyBug> #
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20:10 <BabyBug> or """ comment <new line> comment """
20:11 <Lucifer> '''    '''  also works
20:11 <Lucifer> no wait, maybe that just makes multiline strings, heh
20:11 <PinkTomato> whats // used for then?
20:11 <epsy> nothing, it produces a parse error
20:12 <PinkTomato> then I don't understand why they didn't keep to the unwritten standard
20:12 <Lucifer> there's no unwritten standard here
20:12 <Lucifer>  // was invented for one-line comments in C++, and a bunch of smegheads copied it
20:12 <Lucifer> it was an abomination when it was invented, it's still an abomination
20:12 <PinkTomato> is it?
20:13 <PinkTomato> what should i be using?
20:13 <PinkTomato> #?
20:13 <PinkTomato> or /* */
20:13 <epsy> and how do I turn an int into a string?
20:14 <Lizmatic> mmm, string..
20:14 <Lucifer> depends on what you're trying to do with it
20:15 <epsy> pass it to a list that's supposed to be a list of strings
20:15 <MaZuffeR> str(int)
20:17 <epsy> mm, something's wrong
20:17 <epsy> @i18n pass it to a list that
20:17 <teabot> epsy: p2s it to a l2t
20:17 <epsy> oh
20:19 <Lucifer> there's another notation that's useful
20:19 <epsy> right, that works now
20:19 <Lucifer> well, opeartor
20:19 <epsy> BabyBug, @i18n and @windows
20:20 <Lucifer> "%d" % someInt
20:20 <BabyBug> @windows
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: (windows <text>) -- Returns he windows version of <text>.
20:20 <BabyBug> @windows sucks
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: SUCKS
20:20 <BabyBug> @i18n what?
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: w3?
20:20 <BabyBug> @i18n
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: (i18n <text>) -- Returns the i18n version of <text>.
20:20 <BabyBug> fail
20:20 <epsy> I wasn't very inspired for the help texts
20:20 <PinkTomato> @windows What is this windows speak you talk of?
20:20 <teabot> PinkTomato: WHAT IS THIS WINDOWS SPEAK YOU TALK OF?
20:21 <PinkTomato> lol, Ok I understand what @windows does
20:21 <epsy> you still didn't
20:21 <epsy> try with your last phrase
20:21 <Lucifer> @windows people who type in all caps are aol jerks
20:22 <epsy> @windows armagetronad is great
20:22 <teabot> epsy: ARMAGE~1 IS GREAT
20:22 <PinkTomato> oo
20:22 <PinkTomato> 8.3
20:24 <PinkTomato> @windows And flecked darkness like a drunkard reels
20:24 <PinkTomato> eh, words were not long enough
20:25 <Lucifer> @windows why did epsy write this thing?
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20:26 <teabot> Lucifer: WHY DID EPSY WRITE THIS THING?
20:26 <PinkTomato> and didn't they change it so it was ARMA~AA1.EXE?
20:30 <BabyBug> @windows Lucifer, so that it can annoy people like so?
20:30 <epsy> use i18n otherwise :)
20:30 <epsy> @i18n Lucifer, so that it can annoy people like so?
20:30 <teabot> epsy: L6, so t2t it c1n a3y p4e l2e s1?
20:32 <Lucifer> @windows epsy has too much time on his hands
20:32 <teabot> Lucifer: EPSY HAS TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS
20:33  * Lucifer thinks he knows why distcheck is failing
20:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's kinda what I figured, but z-man wouldn't even consider it ;)
20:35 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: either way, cp and rm is the same thing in svn
20:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, I run aabeta
20:36 <Lucifer> luke-jr: can I get an account there?
20:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer: uh?
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20:36 <luke-jr> you don't have one? O.o
20:36 <Lucifer> not that I know of
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20:37 <luke-jr> oh weird
20:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: dfancella?
20:37 <Lucifer> I don't remember ever having one
20:37 <Lucifer> that would have to be me, but I don't remember setting it up ;)
20:37 <luke-jr> need a username to add you
20:37 <luke-jr> that doesn't exist yet, did I spell it right?
20:39 <luke-jr> it's too bad git doesn't interoperate with subversion; bzr's merging capabilities do not impress me
20:39 <Lucifer> oh, why not use lucifer as a username?
20:40 <luke-jr> because this server has a lot of users and I've been trying to standardize usernames :þ
20:40 <Lucifer> heh, ok, you spelled it right
20:40 <Lucifer> I think it's the dynamic version generation thing that's screwing up distcheck
20:40 <Lucifer> because it makes configure have to be regenerated
20:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: pastebin your SSH pub key?
20:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: also, please try to ensure 0.3.1's branch makes it into the svn history if it's not too difficult
20:42  * luke-jr should figure out a way to get new bzr branches imported correctly automatically
20:42 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/jeRlZa93.html
20:42 <Lucifer> hmmm, I'd have to know more about how bzr-svn works to do that, heh
20:43 <luke-jr> well, bzr-svn just makes bzr work directly with svn
20:43 <luke-jr> quite nice, actually
20:43 <luke-jr> #svn
20:43 <@armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
20:43 <luke-jr> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
20:43 <luke-jr> :þ
20:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ok, you should be able to login now
20:44 <luke-jr> and you're in the arma group, so you can sudo -u armagetronad as well
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20:57 <smoothice> #myip
20:57 <@armabot> smoothice:
21:02 <PinkTomato> epsy: they are done ;)
21:02 <epsy> um, I'm still there
21:03 <PinkTomato> i wanted a -m :D
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21:16 <Corn> Have you guys encountered this problem, i login in the wiki and it says its a successful login but the second i navigate away from that page to another page on the wiki im not logged in anymore. My browser is Opera, which might be the problem.
21:16 <epsy> never encountered that
21:16 <epsy> and opera is fine, maybe ask wrtlprnft
21:17 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/mapgenerator/20081022222601-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
21:17 <Corn> im going to see if i get the problem with mozilla just to be sure
21:17 <epsy> try with cheddar instead
21:18 <Corn> is that another browser?
21:18 <Corn> @g cheddar
21:18 <teabot> Corn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_cheese - Cheddar cheese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:18 <Corn> :/
21:18 <Corn> naive teabot is naive
21:19 <epsy> just a reference to a quote
21:19 <epsy> where somebody reads mozilla as mozarella
21:19 <Corn> lol
21:19 <Corn> well it happens with mozilla aswell
21:19 <Corn> :/
21:20 <epsy> have you checked the remember me fucker checkbox?
21:20 <Corn> :P that should make a difference but i'll try
21:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: z-man: if i didn't want people to change or move my stuff i wouldn't put it on svn :-)
21:21 <Corn> nope didnt work :/
21:21 <epsy> what do you mean by navigating away?
21:21 <Corn> well
21:21 <Corn> when i login it says its successful right?
21:21 <epsy> and proposes a link to return to the page where you click login
21:22 <Corn> i click the link it has going to the main page of the wiki and when it comes up im not logged in anymore
21:22 <epsy> clicked*
21:22 <Corn> yes.
21:22 <Corn> but when i click it im not logged in anymore
21:22 <epsy> check your cookie settings, check if you have disk space, check if you have write permission on your home, check your cookies
21:22 <Corn> browser cookies?
21:23 <epsy> no, cheddar cookies
21:23 <Corn> how about mozarella
21:23 <epsy> for example
21:25 <Corn> should i clear the cookies
21:25 <Corn> i dont want to fux anything up
21:25 <Corn> but i just upgraded so everything is already fuxed up
21:25 <epsy>  yeah, you could clear cookies
21:25 <PinkTomato> erasing cookies will only really destroy and remeber me on websites
21:26 <Corn> im just going to delete all private data just to be sure
21:27 <epsy> awk is neat
21:27 <epsy> but blah
21:27 <epsy> in a perfect world it would be of no use
21:28 <Corn> You are now logged in to Armagetron Advanced Wiki as "Corn".
21:28 <Corn> Return to Main Page.
21:29 <Corn> :/
21:29 <epsy> that's .. good
21:29 <Corn> yeah but
21:29 <epsy> open cookies
21:29 <Corn> i click main page and im logged in
21:29 <smoothice> Corn: Opera?
21:29 <Corn> Yes.
21:29 <smoothice> Corn: OPERA? :O
21:29 <Corn> OPRAH?
21:30 <smoothice> Why not use a real browser?
21:30 <smoothice> like Firefox?
21:30 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Opera is quite nice
21:30 <epsy> opera is a fake browser
21:30 <Corn> firefox is for losers that heard about it from their friends
21:30 <smoothice> IE :P
21:30 <Corn> and dont know how to use their computers but act like they do just cause they dont use ie
21:31 <PinkTomato> don't go saying you want IE removed from windows :D
21:31 <epsy> Corn, I bet you don't do arma wiki searches right in your address bar
21:31 <smoothice> Corn: Opera is for idiots that cannot be bothered by a better browser
21:31 <Corn> idc about your stupid addons :D
21:31 <PinkTomato> At least it is better than IE
21:31 <epsy> actually, it is difficult to get ie running :)
21:31 <smoothice> lol
21:31 <epsy> Corn, I need it
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21:31 <Corn> lazy
21:32 <epsy> that's the job of my computer
21:32 <Corn> :P
21:32 <Corn> honestly browsers dont do much and opera does it find without being annoying
21:32 <PinkTomato> it's a bit pretty though
21:32 <Corn> yeah
21:33 <Corn> it fits my address bar
21:33 <epsy> $ sh batch/make/version --verbose . | awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " substr( $0, index( $0, $2 ) ) }'
21:33 <epsy> awk: .
21:33 <epsy> awk: ^ syntax error
21:34 <epsy> $ echo 'HELLO dolly' | awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " substr( $0, index( $0, $2 ) ) }'
21:34 <epsy> #define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_HELLO dolly
21:34 <epsy> ????
21:34 <PinkTomato> why does it say hello dolly?
21:34 <epsy> because I wrote hello dolly
21:34 <Corn> anyways could someone add my name to the tr players list of ladle 18 because i cant do it :/
21:34 <epsy> now wtf is this syntax error?
21:34 <epsy> it sounds like a bash bug
21:35 <epsy> AHHH
21:36 <PinkTomato> Corn: done
21:36 <Corn> Thanks
21:37 <Corn> When i dont suck at programming im going to write code where every line has a // comment with a story so if the readers are board they can listen to my story
21:37 <Corn> bored*
21:38 <Corn> which you probably are bored if you're reading code
21:38 <epsy> or better, write what the code doesn't do
21:38 <epsy> # This code does not kill kitten
21:38 <Corn> yeah
21:38 <epsy> s
21:39 <Corn> # or smash your dog with a frozen chicken
21:39 <Corn> s
21:39 <epsy> // This does not clear the file
21:40 <epsy> // This function wont help you make money
21:40 <Corn> a = 5; // by the way did you know a is my favorite letter?
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21:49 <z-man> Lucifer: shall I have a look at "make distcheck"?
21:49 <z-man> Most of the build system mess is my mess :)
21:49 <Lucifer> heh, if you want
21:49 <Lucifer> I've isolated the problem
21:49 <Lucifer> and if I talk like someone on the enterprise, it's because I've been watching star trek most of the day
21:50 <z-man> affirmative.
21:50 <Lucifer> dist-hook-scm is the problem
21:50 <Lucifer> I was still working on understanding it when I decided to watch more star trek :)
21:51 <Lucifer> anyway, it reruns bootstrap.sh, then removes automate.cache, which triggers another run of aclocal and friends
21:51 <Lucifer> that whole sequence breaks distcheck because it tries to do all these things in a non-writeable directory
21:52 <z-man> Ah. It shoudln't actually do anything unless the source is scm-managed.
21:52 <z-man> which it isn't in the non-writable directory, that's the source as it's going to get distributed.
21:55 <Lucifer> hmmm, maybe I'm reading it wrong then
21:55 <Lucifer> 0.2.8 has the same hook?
21:55 <z-man> Yes.
21:55 <z-man> The problem is that the test whether the scm hook is supposed to get executed gets it wrong.
21:56 <z-man> It tests for the existence of ${srcdir}/version, which is only supposed to exist on SCM managed source
21:56 <z-man> but somehow, it gets put into the archive.
21:56 <Lucifer> ahhhh
21:58 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/abmap-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
21:59 <Lucifer> am__aclocal_m4_deps = $(top_srcdir)/acinclude.m4 $(top_srcdir)/version   <--- in the generated makefile
22:01 <z-man> yeah, that's fine.
22:01 <epsy> right, my code should be almost ready
22:02 <z-man> I think the problem is that the first run of dist-hook-scm, which is supposed to happen, fails because dlh reorganized the mac files.
22:02 <Lucifer> epsy: your code with all the crazy comments?
22:02 <epsy> no, the crazy code which tells how to label a build
22:03 <z-man> That reminds me, we don't generate ChangeLog from bzr yet.
22:04 <epsy> $ ./armagetronad-dedicated --versioninfo
22:04 <epsy> 0xbf9249b0
22:04 <epsy> woops :P
22:06 <smoothice> #seen luke-jr
22:06 <@armabot> smoothice: luke-jr was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <luke-jr> and you're in the arma group, so you can sudo -u armagetronad as well
22:06 <Lucifer> aha, I see it now, heh
22:06 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8738 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated.
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22:06 <epsy> http://pastebin.com/m1de4d731
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22:07 <z-man> z?
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22:08 <epsy> you made up that number :)
22:09 <Lucifer> so, how do I branch in such a way that svn still gets updated with 0.3.1 branch commits?
22:09 <epsy> what I know is that to get correct versionning automatically it should be "0.3.1"
22:09 <luke-jr> smoothice: Firefox sucks btw
22:10 <smoothice> luke-jr: pm
22:11 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron <http://www.freepcgamers.com/2009/01/armagetron.html>
22:12 <Lucifer> epsy: after branching, I'll change major_version and minor_version as appropriate
22:12 <luke-jr> z-man: is ChangeLog from bzr even possible, seeing as bzr doesn't have the log?
22:13 <z-man> Of course bzr has the log.
22:13 <Lucifer> it has to have the log
22:13 <Lucifer> if you have a real branch, right?  not a checkout?
22:13 <luke-jr> z-man: I thought bzr's log only goes back to when the bzr was setup
22:13 <z-man> If you have a checkout, the log is fetched from the remote branch, i think.
22:14 <z-man> Ah. Of course, the log won't be the COMPLETE log. Yes. It stops at one point where philippecq hacked the source repository and made bzr-svn think all branches started there.
22:14 <epsy> Lucifer, well, one of the points in my script is to not rely on this
22:15 <Lucifer> epsy: what script?
22:15 <Lucifer> is it the thing you linked a few minutes ago?
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/RaceMap-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
22:15 <epsy> the one that fills tTrueVersion.h
22:16 <epsy> (prev. nTrueVersion.h)
22:16 <epsy> should I commit?
22:16 <Lucifer> hmmm, probably not?
22:16 <Lucifer> heh
22:16 <Lucifer> do you want it for 0.3.1, or just for the future in general?
22:16 <epsy> at least until .3.2 ?
22:17 <Lucifer> er, you know what?  I don't care if you commit it, as long as you can fix anything it breaks that 0.3.1 needs
22:18  * Lucifer was never real sure about how version numbers made it into all the places they go
22:18 <epsy> well, the patch touches Makefile.am
22:18 <Lucifer> z-man: thanks, it's made it past that point, now it's oon the "let's bbuild the program five times and see what happens"
22:19 <z-man> For me, too :)
22:19 <z-man> Only it's much slower.
22:19 <Lucifer> we should use arma's make distcheck to benchmark CPUs
22:20 <epsy> haha
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22:21 <epsy> pushed
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22:26 <K-Yo> emmy_arma, where were you? not visiting our match?
22:27 <emmy_arma> busy with a project for school
22:27 <K-Yo> oh
22:27 <K-Yo> fyi we lost :P
22:27 <emmy_arma> S:
22:28 <epsy> who against?
22:28 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r747 Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke ... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r748 New version labelling script, also includes --versioninfo an...
22:29 <K-Yo> epsy, a team flex made up
22:29 <K-Yo> with flex, dreadlord, viper, subzero, radian, raiden
22:29 <MaZuffeR> and me
22:29 <K-Yo> and 2 others
22:29 <K-Yo> yeah
22:29 <K-Yo> and one other
22:30 <K-Yo> I don't remember
22:30 <MaZuffeR> that was everyone, i think
22:30 <MaZuffeR> we played with 6 after dreadlord left
22:30 <K-Yo> orly?
22:30 <K-Yo> hmmm
22:30 <K-Yo> oh yeah
22:30 <K-Yo> true
22:30 <K-Yo> 7V7 at start
22:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8739 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (11 files in 7 dirs): epsy: New version labelling script, also includes --versioninfo and /help version
22:34 <Lucifer> is it worth getting a power adapter to move my voip box to my bedroom?
22:34 <z-man> Err, 11 files in 7 dirs for that?
22:35 <Lucifer> epsy likes to go in and randomly change comments, adding a space here, a line break there
22:35 <Flex> where's the fortress brawl teams?
22:35 <MaZuffeR> Flex, http://twisted-rats.co.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=65
22:35 <Flex> thanks
22:36 <MaZuffeR> np, i was just reading it :)
22:36 <z-man> Lucifer: ah, no, of course there's the /help version chat command attached to it, and various other stuff.
22:37 <epsy> tTrueVersion changing place, additions alongside \g, and a fix to /help (because it was broken)
22:38 <epsy> but well, I could have done the fix to /help on another branch then push from there, commit my work rebase & uncommit, but gah..
22:40 <Lucifer> epsy:  http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201788#201788
22:40 <z-man> Lucifer: darn, distcheck still fails, but at the end. One file is not deleted. Name: "ption". Odd.
22:40 <Lucifer> that happens in 0.2.8 too
22:41 <Lucifer> there's also a file simply named @
22:41 <z-man> Possibly a $option in a file where it gets interpreted as ${o}ption
22:42 <Lucifer> er, is tResourceManager.h missing from the code::blocks project?
22:42 <epsy> no wonder
22:42 <epsy>  748. By  epsy  1 hour ago
22:42 <epsy>  747. By  z-man  35 minutes ago
22:42 <epsy> meh.
22:43 <z-man> What about that?
22:43 <epsy> it's not related
22:44 <z-man> k, /me ignores epsy
22:44 <Flex> K-Yo, i did say we were serious
22:44 <epsy> but still, damn windows messed up my clock and I'm now bugging launchpad
22:44 <Flex> ! :p
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, sorry?
22:44 <Lucifer> when's the last time the windows build worked?
22:44 <K-Yo> what are you talking about?
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, the match?
22:44 <Flex> yeah
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, we were too :P
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, at least I was
22:44 <Lucifer> anybody who builds arma themselves needs to be in here
22:44 <K-Yo> but we had some hmmmm def trouble at start let's say ;)
22:44 <Flex> i think we were good enough to do 3-0
22:45 <Lucifer> can we put something into configure that requires a person to be currently present in this channel before it can build?
22:45 <K-Yo> Flex, well, depends on what positions we were
22:45 <K-Yo> but the matches we won were quite close indeed
22:45 <Flex> talk to me for another one.. i want to do sav2.0
22:47 <z-man> Lucifer: I haven't tested building in Windows for a while.
22:47  * Lucifer wonders if it was this computer that he installed code::blocks under wine
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8740 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.manual): Manuel Moos: ChangeLog and fingerprint are now generated from bzr, too.
22:48 <Lucifer> nope, not this one
22:48 <Flex> wrtlprnft was doing that
22:48 <luke-jr> Lucifer: do you want me to write that?
22:48  * Lucifer considers trying to cross-compile arma again
22:48 <Lucifer> luke-jr: write what?
22:48 <Lucifer> oh yeah, heh
22:48 <luke-jr> [15:45:10] <Lucifer> can we put something into configure that requires a person to be currently present in this channel before it can build?
22:49 <Lucifer> it wouldn't work for people building on windows, and it's a guy building on windows that I want in here
22:49 <K-Yo> Flex, sure :) I'd love to do another one
22:49 <luke-jr> :/
22:49 <luke-jr> python script
22:49 <luke-jr> connects to IRC and requires someone in the channel to OK the configure build
22:50 <luke-jr> "Waiting for permission from IRC… login to #Armagetron on chat.freenode.net and say I Approve This Build"
22:51 <epsy> K-Yo, http://www.viedemerde.fr/concours/noel2008/photo/99
22:53 <K-Yo> haha j'temmerde :P
22:53 <epsy> c'est toi en +jeune et en métalloreggae
22:54 <epsy> et en gros, aussi
22:54 <epsy> lol :D
22:54  * Lucifer is trying to avoid getting distracted by trying to cross-compile the trunk
22:54 <Lucifer> luke-jr: any suggestions on how to branch and have svn pick up the changes?
22:55 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/NealsRacingCircuit-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:56 <K-Yo> moi? ^o)
22:56 <K-Yo> c'est pas une meuf?
22:56 <K-Yo> metalloreggae...
22:56 <epsy> peut-être
22:57 <epsy> ben le bonnet
22:57 <K-Yo> ouais j'ai vu
22:57 <K-Yo> je t'avouerai, c'est EXACTEMENT moi
22:57 <K-Yo> mais en fille
22:57 <K-Yo> en plus jeune
22:57 <K-Yo> en metalloraggae
22:57 <epsy> exactement
22:57 <K-Yo> avec un cd de kyo et une pelluche bizarre
22:57 <K-Yo> exactement
22:57 <Lucifer> exactement
22:57 <K-Yo> Proposée le 30/12/2008 - Par ange_metallik - Offert par : ma grand-mère et ma petite soeur (7 ans)
22:58 <K-Yo> hehe
22:58 <z-man> aha!
22:58 <z-man> gcc -option
22:58 <z-man> called somewhere from configure
22:59 <Lucifer> AX_CXXFLAGS_GCC_OPTION()
22:59 <Lucifer> line 342 or so
22:59 <Lucifer> configure.ac
23:00 <z-man> yep.
23:00 <z-man> That was required to get the later call to the same macro inside a conditional to work
23:00 <z-man> I'll just give it an insane argument and see what happens :)
23:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8741 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tVersion.h): epsy: missed to add this file(comes along with r748)
23:01 <Lucifer> is it the conditional that's the problem, or does it just need to be called without arguments to work?
23:02 <epsy> nighty
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23:02 <z-man> It was the conditional.
23:03 <Lucifer> #m epsy <-- epsy has left this server ("uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!").
23:03 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:04  * Lucifer hopes the copy and paste operation preserved the overall broken-ness of epsy's quit message
23:04 <Lucifer> (but even so, it's a silly message to receive from armabot)
23:06 <Lucifer> oh yeah, automake doesn't recognize the shell scripting in configure.ac
23:07 <z-man> Ok, I fixed the ption file on 0.2.8, I think. Testing it now. Then, merge stuff to the trunk and test it again. Fun.
23:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer: most obvious way to me, is to branch on Svn first, then setup the bzr mirroring thing
23:09 <luke-jr> z-man left me with the impression that was a simple task ☺
23:09 <smoothice> #help m
23:09 <@armabot> smoothice: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $*".
23:10 <Lucifer> well, see, whatever we do in 0.3.1 will get merged back to the trunk anyway
23:10 <z-man> Yeah, but we want to test the pure bzr approach.
23:10 <Lucifer> so the only thhing we'd lose with the pure bzr approach is a direct history oof the 0.3.1 branch in svvn
23:11  * Lucifer caved and is installing mingw
23:11 <luke-jr> "ou    b   ond  in  o  on  do s  i  upsid -do n"
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23:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer: while svn's primary purpose is to keep the history complete
23:12  * luke-jr ponders epsy's msg further
23:13 <luke-jr> "you ____b___ond__in___o__on__do_s___i__ upside-down"
23:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8742 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): Manuel Moos: Added check for silly GCC flag to avoid creation of file named "ption".
23:14 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/CoolRace-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
23:14 <z-man> ARGH
23:14 <z-man> epsy's version change produces TONS of warnings.
23:14 <luke-jr> argc!
23:15 <z-man> and errors, too.
23:15  * z-man ponders to add a "never, ever, commit before you go to bed" guideline.
23:16 <Lucifer> roll it back?
23:16  * Lucifer was really wanting to branch soon, and is willing to remove epsy's drive-by commit to do it
23:16 <z-man> Not really an option when you want to merge stuff.
23:16 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
23:17 <z-man> Ah, that sort of roll back. No, just don't update.
23:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you could branch from the previous rev
23:17 <z-man> The distcheck problem is in check and can be ignored.
23:17 <Lucifer> I'm still sitting on the previous rev
23:17 <Lucifer> can be fixed in the branch, too
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: Can you provide me with any php code for me to base this off of? Maybe the code for the XML validation uploader?
23:18 <luke-jr> smoothice: it's all public
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: where can I download it?
23:18 <luke-jr> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource
23:18 <z-man> Lucifer: No, it can't be fixed in the branch if the fix is done in 0.2.8.
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: thanks
23:19 <z-man> We can't merge from svn 0.2.8 to a pure bzr branch.
23:19 <z-man> And as far as bzr is concerned, 0.2.8 and trunk are incompatible.
23:19 <z-man> Of course, we can just duplicate the fix.
23:20 <Lucifer> yeah, that's what I meant, just duplicate the fix :)
23:20 <Lucifer> do I have to create a series for 0.3.1?
23:21 <z-man> Ah, bootstrap already fails.
23:22 <z-man> Should be a breeze.
23:22 <z-man> What's a series?
23:23 <Lucifer> not sure, heh
23:23 <Lucifer> we have trunk and 0.2.8
23:27 <z-man> Well, either add it to trunk or create a 0.3 series.
23:28 <z-man> #m epsy == is not a good operator in shell scripts. And -P is an experimental option in grep and therefore not a good idea :)
23:28 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:29 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r974 Added check for silly GCC flag to avoid creation of file nam... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r749 missed to add this file(comes along with r748)... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r973 ChangeLog and fingerprint are now generated from bzr, too....
23:33 <z-man> epsy seems a little too eager to add complication sometimes.
23:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/NealsRacingCircuit-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
23:34 <Lucifer> heh
23:35 <Lucifer> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
23:36 <z-man> Oooh, I know.
23:36 <z-man> I'll merge the fixes to the trunk with svn
23:36 <z-man> then we'll merge them to 0.3.1 with bzr.
23:36 <Lucifer> heh
23:37 <Lucifer> fixing epsy's stuff, or just the last distcheck fix?
23:37 <z-man> The distcheck stuff. I suppose you'll be waiting to branch for the epsy cleanup.
23:38 <Lucifer> no, I just branched, since I hadn't pulled epsy's mess
23:38 <smoothice> luke-jr: It works... thanks
23:38 <Lucifer> well, let's see if freetype will cross-compile
23:38 <K-Yo> #list later
23:38 <@armabot> K-Yo: notes and tell
23:38 <K-Yo> #later notes epsy
23:39 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 35 minutes ago: <Lucifer> <-- epsy has left this server ("uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"). and Sent 10 minutes ago: <z-man> == is not a good operator in shell scripts. And -P is an experimental option in grep and therefore not a good idea :)
23:39 <Lucifer> #later tell K-Yo it's rude to read someone's mail!
23:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:39 <z-man> Lucifer: well, we can still cherry-pick stuff from the trunk to 0.3.1.
23:41 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer if you want it to be private, don't use #later tell ;)
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:41 <smoothice> #notes smoothice
23:41 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:41 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer else, you can try to change armabot so the #later notes is not accessuble
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:41 <K-Yo> #later notes
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, Lucifer, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlprnft..., wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], and (1 more message)
23:41 <K-Yo> #more
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: aa_voodoo.
23:41 <smoothice> #notes $randomnick
23:41 <K-Yo> @later notes Lucifer
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 27 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, (1 more message)
23:42 <Lucifer> #m K-Yo privacy shouldn't require special technology, it's a human convention
23:42 <teabot> K-Yo: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:42 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:42 <smoothice> #list Notes
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: 'Notes' is not a valid plugin.
23:42 <smoothice> #list Later
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: notes and tell
23:42 <K-Yo> Lucifer, hmmm, you are right, but there will always be bad people, technologie can help us to protect our private stuff
23:42 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer  hmmm, you are right, but there will always be bad people, technologie can help us to protect our private stuff
23:42 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:43 <K-Yo> #notes kyle
23:43 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> hello, Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> just testing thes later thing, Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> if you actually get it ;), and Sent 32 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, and 16 minutes ago: <aa_voodoo> I'm logging at forums. Can you (1 more message)
23:43 <K-Yo> #notes unknown
23:43 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, and 39 minutes ago: <Sakireth> this is a test
23:44 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has quit ["Quitte"]
23:45 <Lucifer> hmmmm, anybody remember how we got arma to link to an opengl library when cross-compiling?
23:47 <z-man> #m epsy tTrueVersion.h isn't built automatically.
23:47 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> #m epsy and even if it is built manually, I still get undefined symbols.
23:48 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> #m epsy in other words, FIX YOUR STUFF.
23:48 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> heh, poor epsy
23:49 <Lucifer> ummm, yeah
23:49 <Lucifer> he made another commit that added that file, because he'd forgotten to include it
23:49 <Lucifer> in his original commit
23:49 <z-man> no, that was tVersion.h
23:49 <z-man> which includes tTrueVersion.h
23:50 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8743 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/make/version: Fixed some shell scripting errors and removed -P option from greps, they didn't even use any special perl stuff.
23:52 <Lucifer> ah, ok
23:53 <Lucifer> well, I posted my resume on craigslist in the middle of last week and so far have gotten two inquiries from it
23:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man: building the trunk in windows works fine, there's a relatively new snapshot on aabete.
23:53 <wrtlprnft> *beta
23:54 <wrtlprnft> the only thing you need to know is that you can't use python 3.x, it will fail with weird errors and if you fix those some string library will be missing
23:55 <wrtlprnft> the equivalent to STL <sstream>, as far as i could tell
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Log from 2009-01-05:
--- Day changed Mon Jan 05 2009
00:01 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:15 <PinkTomato> wrtlprnft: I'm having difficulties with the windows build
00:15 <PinkTomato> on aabeta
00:16 <PinkTomato> whatever I say prints as ___
00:19 <PinkTomato> it also crashes, a lot
00:20 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: did you see F! Infamous's post trying to build the trunk in windows?
00:24 <PinkTomato> see http://dessert.ath.cx/underscored_arma.png for reference
00:30 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r647 Adding INVALID_COMMAND to ladderlog || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r750 Fixed some shell scripting errors and removed -P option from...
00:32 <smoothice> @more
00:32 <teabot> smoothice: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
00:33 <PinkTomato> @more armacommits
00:33 <teabot> PinkTomato: Error: I haven't seen armacommits.
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00:36 <smoothice> @more RSS
00:36 <teabot> smoothice: Error: I haven't seen RSS.
00:36 <smoothice> @seen teabot
00:42 <teabot> armablah: The Geiger Counter « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/the-geiger-counter/>
00:45 <Corn> why did that link playfortress
00:46 <PinkTomato> I assume armablah is an RSS feed, which feeds of Play Fortress RSS too
00:47 <Corn> ah
01:01 <ct|kyle> i did not know teabot announced Ct+sty comments
01:02 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/Race-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
01:12 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/new-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
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02:14  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
02:14  * BabyBug cuddles ct|kyle 
02:15  * Lucifer throws a rope around the two cuddling freaks so they can't stop
02:15 <BabyBug> wooo soft bondage \o/
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02:30 <GodTodd> man...even #armagetron is fulla pr0n now.
02:31 <Lucifer> #impregnate GodTodd
02:31  * armabot fertilizes GodTodd
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02:44 <Corn> last i heard lucifer has a fetish for pregnant people
03:07 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-103-210.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
03:07 <smoothice> Corn: ...
03:08 <Corn> smoothice: ...
03:08 <Corn> Theres only enough room in this irc for 1 of us.
03:09 <smoothice> awwww
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03:10 <Corn> :D
03:11 <Corn> i guess sageloard took initiative
03:20 <GodTodd> #impregnate Lucifer with luke-jr's sperm.
03:20  * armabot fertilizes Lucifer with luke-jr's sperm.
03:22 <Corn>  #armagetron is not a sperm bank mine is not for sale.
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03:51 <Flex> Hehe, my master plan, when those mongorians come next time, I pour this shweet shour por' on their head... shwee shour por' so hot and sticky they stick'a right into the wall and go "ooh ooh"
04:00 <smoothice> #list Alias
04:00 <@armabot> smoothice: monologue, roulette, #lags, #noob, #ratchet, /me, 42, aawiki, action, add, afl, aka, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, arrow, as, babel, ball, bigbrother, bigos, bing, botsnack, bounce, brb, bug, bye, bzr, c, cafe, cat, cfg, cfg2, chainfight, chatlog, check, cheers, cinf, cink, commands, cookie, corn, crashme, crazylate, ctos, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, (5 more messages)
04:00 <smoothice> #more
04:00 <@armabot> smoothice: ddl, del, devhelp, dicht, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, disclaimer, dns, do, dofinger, dog, dong, donkey, doping, dorka, eds, eliza, emmy, epicfail, eroulette, f, fail, fart, farton, fastfood, fetch2, fight, finc, fink, flashyy, flerxytyme, fofo, fortune, freeciv, fuck!, g, gcalc, gfight, go, godtodd, going, goodbye, goodnight, grep, grep2, hd, hack, hell, hello, hey, hoop, hungary, (4 more messages)
04:00 <smoothice> #ball
04:00 <@armabot> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ball pit” at the moment, sorry.
04:00 <smoothice> #hoop
04:00 <@armabot> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “hoop” at the moment, sorry.
04:01 <smoothice> #more
04:01 <@armabot> smoothice: hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, jesus, joke, kill, killsomeone, kinc, kinf, king, kyle, kyo, laddle10, lags, lastseen, lastseenf, lastseen flexsmum, legit, lies, lock, log, log, logs, ls, lukejrworks, m, mail, makeop, man, mcalc, mfaq, ming, monologue, morning, move, mrbougo, murder, myip, n00b, nano, new, night, no, noob, null, obsolete, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, (3 more messages)
04:01 <smoothice> #more
04:01 <@armabot> smoothice: path, path2, peek, phail, pingme, pingy, piong, plzpwn, poing, pong, praise, ptfort, pwn, q, quot, r, raaaaaaape, randomnick, rape, ratchet, ratchet--, rating, rating2, rating2test, real, realchatlogs, remove, removeop, res, resources, ring, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, roulotte, rules, r‭oulette, say, sd, sd v spacelab, send, serv, serverdetails, serverinfo, servers, (2 more messages)
04:01 <smoothice> #sd
04:01 <@armabot> smoothice: Usage: #serverdetails [-v] {name}
04:01 <smoothice> #help sd
04:01 <@armabot> smoothice: (sd <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverdetails.php?name=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
04:02 <smoothice> #sd NEALS
04:02 <@armabot> smoothice: NEALS TEST SERVER: Players (1/10): canada
04:02 <smoothice> #sd racing ||
04:02 <@armabot> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “racing ||” at the moment, sorry.
04:02 <smoothice> #sd Sumo
04:02 <@armabot> smoothice: Wild West  =Sumo=: Players (11/14): .:] JJBean, .dBd|Pathetique, AlEs§a, C$ $oup, CtxWoned, halcyon, Swift, wHaTuP, zac, ~*OblivionIk*~, ~*Sasha*~
04:07 <smoothice> #sd Delicious Desserts
04:07 <@armabot> smoothice: {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber: Players (7/10): !CB! XZombie, a$!D, Dogs Unleashed, I<3 Katrina, RODSUR7, waka CONGETO, {MR}VOLCANO
04:08 <smoothice> #armaservers
04:08 <@armabot> smoothice: This data is 32 seconds old; -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (12/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (10/14), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (7/10), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (7/12), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (5/14), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (3/12), -= QuAnTuM PeRfoRmAnCe =- [Loose DF] [Hosted by Reaper] (3/16), (1 more message)
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04:09 <Concord> @lastseen ghableska
04:09 <teabot> Concord: timed out
04:09 <Concord> @lastseen rain
04:09 <teabot> Concord: .g Rain has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 3 hours 31 minutes ago.
04:09 <Concord> pff
04:09 <Concord> @lastseen 2020
04:09 <Concord> @lastseen 2o2o
04:09 <teabot> Concord: timed out
04:10 <smoothice> #seen 2020
04:10 <@armabot> smoothice: I have not seen 2020.
04:10 <teabot> Concord: timed out
04:10 <smoothice> #seen 2o2o
04:10 <@armabot> smoothice: I have not seen 2o2o.
04:10 <Concord> #seen rain
04:10 <@armabot> Concord: rain was last seen in #armagetron 1 year, 39 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 41 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <rain> ty yojimbo
04:10 <smoothice> #seen PinkTomato
04:10 <Concord> #seen ghableska
04:10 <@armabot> smoothice: PinkTomato was last seen in #armagetron 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <PinkTomato> I assume armablah is an RSS feed, which feeds of Play Fortress RSS too
04:10 <@armabot> Concord: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 28 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <ghableska> oh hi monkey
04:10 <Concord> #seen 2020
04:10 <@armabot> Concord: I have not seen 2020.
04:11 <smoothice> #seen ljrbot
04:11 <@armabot> smoothice: ljrbot was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 7 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "dns" is not a valid command.
04:14 <Corn> #seen one
04:14 <@armabot> Corn: I have not seen one.
04:14 <Corn> one = 2020
04:19 <Corn> "armabot> smoothice: hyphy" say whut
04:19 <Corn> hyphy plays lol
04:20 <smoothice> armabot > smoothice: ???
04:20 <smoothice> armabot: say hi corn
04:20 <@armabot> hi corn
04:20 <smoothice> #say wassup?
04:21 <@armabot> wassup?
04:21 <smoothice> #say $host
04:21 <@armabot> unaffiliated/smoothice
04:22 <smoothice> #say now
04:22 <smoothice> #say today
04:22 <@armabot> now
04:22 <@armabot> today
04:22 <smoothice> #say $now
04:22 <@armabot> Mon Jan  5 04:22:12 2009
04:22 <smoothice> #say $today
04:22 <@armabot> 05 Jan 2009
04:24 <smoothice> Lucifer: I found a bug in latest 0.2.8 alpha
04:24 <Corn> i have a 3 minute lag so its hard to talk to me... my messages take 3 minutes to get to you as me and babybug found out the hard way
04:25 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/slyshot/quimica-3.aamap.xml: Resource by slyshot
04:28 <Corn>  "<smoothice>: Lucifer: I found a bug in latest 0.2.8 alpha" whut
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04:45 <smoothice> Corn: I just reported a bug in the 0.2.8 branch to Launchpad
04:48 <smoothice> #later tell Corn I just reported a bug in the 0.2.8 branch to Launchpad
04:48 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
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04:54 <@armabot> lpbugs: [313943] login menu username field is always lowercase
05:05 <luke-jr> sounds like a feature:
05:06 <luke-jr> "Armagetron now annoys people with screwed up name cases!'
05:07 <ct|kyle> it is because it uses log name not real name
05:07 <luke-jr> :þ
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05:08 <luke-jr> pushing to -shared
05:08 <luke-jr> err
05:08 <luke-jr> wrong chan
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06:39 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r648 Adding ADMIN_COMMAND to LadderLog
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07:50 <Concord> hhi
07:50 <Concord> late night?
07:50 <Concord> early morning?
07:57 <epsy> hi
07:57 <epsy> just morning
07:57 <Concord> 2:00 am here
08:00 <epsy> 8:00
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11:06 <z-man> #m epsy Forgot to tell you: I'm on a SVN checkout.
11:06 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
11:07  * z-man doesn't want to drive the poor guy completely mad :)
11:28 <teabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/fortress-vs-sumo/> || Tron for Peace <http://www.gregniemeyer.com/?p=45> || The Innovation Lover » GNU/Linux gamers, Cheers ! <http://www.sarathlakshman.info/2007/12/24/gnulinux-gamers-cheers/>
11:31 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron Advanced <http://www.find-freebies.org/armagetron-advanced/> || Armagetron <http://free.macgames.jp/4230/armagetron/> || Viewing Pleasure <http://the-desert-is-coming.blogspot.com/2008/12/viewing-pleasure.html>
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11:46 <wrtlprnft> PinkTomato: interesting… mine works ok
11:46 <wrtlprnft> *it works ok on my system, that's what i wanted to say
11:46 <PinkTomato> ah, my windows is a mess of an intall anyway
11:47 <PinkTomato> the only thing at the moment that I can think of that might cause it is my non-unicode is set to Japanese.
11:47 <PinkTomato> That usually causes ?? and all sorts
11:48 <wrtlprnft> that might be a reason
11:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: there's a cross-compiling thread, but i built it directly from windows
11:49 <PinkTomato> I'll look in it at somepoint, let you know if I find anything :)
11:52 <wrtlprnft> or try to build it yourself, it's not all that hard
11:52 <wrtlprnft> install three programs, copy and paste the svn path, change one text file, all the rest is point&click :-)
11:53 <wrtlprnft> when the project files are up to date, anyways, but they should be right now
11:53 <Lucifer> #ping
11:53 <@armabot> pong
11:54 <PinkTomato> wrtlprnft: whenever i have attempted windows build, something always goes wrong ;), but sounds like compiling trunk has gotten much easier recently
11:54 <Lucifer> luke-jr: that is a feature, actually, and it's been in 0.2.8 since the first release :)
11:55 <wrtlprnft> download a recent build of codeblocks and tortoisesvn
11:55 <wrtlprnft> download python 2.6.x
11:55 <wrtlprnft> install all that crap
11:56 <wrtlprnft> right click on the background of some folder, whereever you want to have your install, preferably without spaces in it
11:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, download the codeblocks build with mingw
11:57 <wrtlprnft> anyways, do SVN checkout after right clicking
11:57 <PinkTomato> Right, trying now, and I'll check the python ver, back soon :)
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12:01 <wrtlprnft> copy and paste https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
12:03 <PinkTomato> I have python 2.5, installing 2.6
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12:09 <wrtlprnft> 2.5 would have been sufficient
12:09 <wrtlprnft> as long as it's not 3.x
12:10 <PinkTomato> oh :), do I need winlibs?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> it's included in svn
12:10 <PinkTomato> is the README in the win32 folder in date?
12:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's fine
12:19 <PinkTomato> do I need to ./configure? Compile error regarding 'bool isblank(int)'
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12:21 <wrtlprnft> err, comment out that line
12:21 <wrtlprnft> there is no configure script
12:22 <PinkTomato> tTrueVersion.h No such file or Directory
12:36 <wrtlprnft> heh, great, epsy broke it
12:37 <PinkTomato> woops
12:37 <PinkTomato> should I revert?
12:37 <wrtlprnft> if you feel like it, revert to r8697
12:39 <PinkTomato> compiling :)
12:42 <Lucifer> Yeah, epsy broke it, heh
12:42 <Lucifer> you should get the 0.3.1 branch from bzr
12:43 <Lucifer> #alias add 0.3.1 echo bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
12:43 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
12:43 <Lucifer> #0.3.1
12:43 <@armabot> bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
12:44 <PinkTomato> I'ld have to find a windows bzr program ;)
12:44 <z-man> let's gangrape epsy when he comes back :)
12:45 <PinkTomato> still the same behaviour in my just compiled r8697
12:46 <PinkTomato> Thanks wrtlprnft though :), the compile was rather easy after all :D
12:47 <wrtlprnft> yw
12:49 <Lucifer> bzr is available for windows, isn't it?  You just need python for it, after all....
12:49 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: it is :), but its not python by the looks of things
12:50 <Lucifer> dave@fiona:~$ cat /usr/bin/bzr
12:50 <Lucifer> #!/usr/bin/python
12:50 <Lucifer> # Copyright (C) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 Canonical Ltd
12:50 <Lucifer> #
12:50 <PinkTomato> I mean the win version ;)
12:51 <z-man> Another new policy : NO FANCY REFORMATS WHILE THERE'S ACTIVE MERGES.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> hehe
12:51 <z-man> AUTHORS has entered merge hell.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr, eh?
12:51 <z-man> YES
12:51 <wrtlprnft> i was wondering about that when i read the commit message…
12:52 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: it says its stand alone, i didn't think a python application could be stand alone?
12:52 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: py2exe
12:52 <PinkTomato> oh I see :)
12:52 <Lucifer> it basically bundles a python interpreter with the script to make it a standalone app
12:52 <Lucifer> but it's still python :)
12:52 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
12:54 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
12:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
12:54 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: win32 Readme.txt is unreadable in windows
12:54 <PinkTomato> Unix Line Breaks and stupid notepad
12:54 <PinkTomato> edit.com could read unix line breaks....
12:54 <wrtlprnft> use wordpad
12:54 <Lucifer> well, I'm working in 0.3.1 branch now, so even if I fix it, you won't see it ;)
12:55 <wrtlprnft> for some reason it can do unix line breaks
12:55 <Lucifer> yeah, wordpad is weird that way
12:55 <wrtlprnft> it's gonna be merged, right?
12:55 <Lucifer> also, you might consider programmer's notepad
12:55 <Lucifer> or the one that's on my thumb drive
12:55  * Lucifer tries to remember which one it is
12:55 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I usually use notepad++
12:56 <Lucifer> ah, that's what's on my thumb drive
12:56 <PinkTomato> I have to remeber right click open with notepad++ though, I should make it default actually
12:56 <Lucifer> courtesy of portableapps.com
12:56 <Lucifer> no, really, we should fix the line endings in that file
12:56 <PinkTomato> ;), only thing is that version defaults without a menubar and i can't find anything in it :)
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8744 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8719 to 8743:
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  r8742 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-01-04 23:13:49 +0100 (Sun, 04 Jan 2009) | 2 lines
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Added check for silly GCC flag to avoid creation of file named "ption".
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  r8740 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-01-04 22:47:41 +0100 (Sun, 04 Jan 2009) | 2 lines
12:58 <wrtlprnft> is that a real gcc flag?
12:58 <z-man> No, of course not.
12:58 <Lucifer> #0.3.1
12:58 <@armabot> bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
12:59 <Lucifer> hmmm, is armabot going to pick up 0.3.1 commit messages?
12:59 <z-man> No, armabot only cares about svn.
13:00 <Lucifer> ah, so if we don't mirror 0.3.1's branch to svn, armabot won't get the commit messages
13:00 <wrtlprnft> cia won't get them
13:00 <wrtlprnft> we could use the rss plugin
13:00 <Lucifer> will it monitor for changes, or would we have to ask it for changes?
13:01 <Lucifer> #help rss
13:01 <@armabot> Lucifer: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
13:01 <Lucifer> #list rss
13:01 <@armabot> Lucifer: add, announce, armawiki, ftsfeedback, info, lpbugs, reddit, remove, and rss
13:01 <wrtlprnft> there's an autoreport feature, too
13:01 <wrtlprnft> #help rss add
13:01 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (rss add <name> <url>) -- Adds a command to this plugin that will look up the RSS feed at the given URL.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1/branch.atom
13:01 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Revision 748 || Revision 747 || Revision 746 || Revision 745 || Revision 744 || Revision 743 || Revision 742 || Revision 741 || Revision 740 || Revision 739 || Revision 738 || Revision 737 || Revision 736 || Revision 735 || Revision 734 || Revision 733 || Revision 732 || Revision 731 || Revision 730 || Revision 729 || Revision 728 || Revision 727 || Revision 726 || Revision 725 || (1 more message)
13:02 <wrtlprnft> ah, that was the problem
13:02 <Lucifer> heh, it's borderline useless
13:02 <PinkTomato> its more almost useful
13:03 <PinkTomato> handy to know when a new revision is out
13:03 <Lucifer> yeah, but we want to see the log entry that goes with the revision
13:03 <PinkTomato> the information is in the RSS though?
13:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:04 <wrtlprnft> but as the content, not the title
13:04 <PinkTomato> ah, isn't that what it should be?
13:05 <wrtlprnft> well, cia rss messages contain a short version of the changelog
13:05  * Lucifer doesn't believe there's no way to configure the rss plugin to show part of the content too
13:05 <Lucifer> #list rss
13:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: add, announce, armawiki, ftsfeedback, info, lpbugs, reddit, remove, and rss
13:06 <wrtlprnft> one could proxy the rss feed and change it on the way
13:06 <Lucifer> #help config
13:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
13:06 <Lucifer> #list config
13:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
13:06 <Lucifer> #config search rss
13:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: supybot.plugins.Alias.aliases.davestupidwebsite"rss, supybot.plugins.Alias.aliases.davestupidwebsite"rss.locked, supybot.plugins.RSS, supybot.plugins.RSS.public, supybot.plugins.RSS.bold, supybot.plugins.RSS.headlineSeparator, supybot.plugins.RSS.announcementPrefix, supybot.plugins.RSS.announce, supybot.plugins.RSS.announce.showLinks, supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod, (1 more message)
13:06 <Lucifer> #more
13:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds, supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds.reddit, supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds.ftsfeedback, supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds.lpbugs, supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds.armawiki, and supybot.plugins.RSS.showLinks
13:06 <PinkTomato> couldn't you add it to the  plugin?
13:06 <Lucifer> ok, maybe there isn't a way to do it, heh
13:07 <wrtlprnft> it's further complicated that the content of those messages contains html
13:07 <Lucifer> sure, it shouldn't be that hard to add it to the plugin, but then it has to be installed, and we'd have to maintain our own version, etc
13:08 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft is right, it's probably easier to just throw together a little php script to do the transformation
13:08 <PinkTomato> oh yeah, :). Ah, of course
13:08 <wrtlprnft> hmm… let's see…
13:09 <wrtlprnft> probably python… minidom rocks
13:09 <Lucifer> minidom rocks until you want it to preserve whitespace :)
13:10 <Lucifer> well, it looks like buildbot can still work with the bzr changeover, but it'd have to monitor svn and then checkout from bzr
13:10  * Lucifer supposes it's not that big a deal to just let buildbot work with svn completely, only it won't pick up the 0.3.1 release branch, which means it won't pick up 0.3.2 or 0.3.3 etc.
13:11 <wrtlprnft> alternatively, can one tell launchpad to send commit messages to cia?
13:11 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: 0.3.1 compiles on windows, has no 404 resource. Still has __ bug that no one else can reproduce ;).
13:12 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I think the 404 problem is related to the dist built, it doesn't happen to a build from a checkout
13:12 <Lucifer> maybe I should actually investigate that instead of playing with buildbot
13:12 <Lucifer> https://launchpad.net/bzr-cia
13:13  * PinkTomato wondered why you were talking about the CIA
13:13 <Lucifer> it kindof looks like we'd all have to install that plugin for it to work
13:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah…
13:17 <Lucifer> wait, what if z-man installed it on the bzr-svn bot?
13:17 <Lucifer> er, nvm, I guess that gets us nowhere anyway, heh
13:18 <Lucifer> hey, if I setup my computer to work as a network bridge, do i need to use a crossover cable to plug a device into my ethernet card?
13:24 <Lucifer> hmmm, I want to make a bzr branch for the buildbot config files
13:24  * Lucifer tries to remember where they are in svn
13:26 <Lucifer> aha, it's /support/buildbot
13:27 <Lucifer> z-man: what do I have to do to take a directory out of the svn repo, /support/buildbot, and make a bzr branch that syncs with svn?
13:27 <z-man> you need to move it to tools/buildbot/trunk
13:27 <Lucifer> svn mv?
13:28 <z-man> yep
13:28 <Lucifer> bzr-svn will pick it up automatically then?
13:28 <z-man> no, I need to add the path to a config file.
13:29 <Lucifer> and I assume I have to create a branch named tools-buildbot-trunk to go with it and put it on launchpad?
13:29 <z-man> no, that'll happen automagically.
13:29 <Lucifer> ok, I'll do that
13:29 <Lucifer> if I can remember how to use svn :)
13:31 <Lucifer> grr, I forgot my sourceforge subversion password
13:32 <z-man> shall I do it?
13:35 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r8745 /tools/buildbot/:
13:36 <Lucifer> I'm getting there, heh
13:37 <Lucifer> turned out my sourceforge password had expired, that was the problem
13:37 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r8746 / (support/buildbot/ tools/buildbot/trunk/): Moving buildbot config files so we can have a bzr branch for them.
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13:38 <Lucifer> ok, it's ready now :)
13:49 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r748 Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r751 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8719 to 8743:...
13:49 <PinkTomato> \o/
14:00 <Lucifer> er, how does teabot pick up the 0.3.1 branch?
14:01 <PinkTomato> was that not the plan?
14:01 <PinkTomato> oh wait, you wanted armabot?
14:02 <Lucifer> well, yeah, but I'm wondering why teabot can do it and not armabot
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14:05 <Lucifer> I don't get a 404 error on my installed autopackage
14:06 <Lucifer> aha, it fails on the .dtd download
14:07 <PinkTomato> I believe that is usually a included file?
14:08 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py
14:08 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r748: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || 0.3.1 z-man r747: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated. || 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r746: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out of it. || 0.3.1 (6 more messages)
14:09 <wrtlprnft> semi-useful
14:09 <wrtlprnft> #config search RSS
14:09 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: supybot.plugins.Alias.aliases.davestupidwebsite"rss, supybot.plugins.Alias.aliases.davestupidwebsite"rss.locked, supybot.plugins.RSS, supybot.plugins.RSS.public, supybot.plugins.RSS.bold, supybot.plugins.RSS.headlineSeparator, supybot.plugins.RSS.announcementPrefix, supybot.plugins.RSS.announce, supybot.plugins.RSS.announce.showLinks, supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod, (1 more message)
14:09 <wrtlprnft> #rss add 0.3.1 http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py
14:09 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:09 <z-man> Lucifer: https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/tools-buildbot-trunk-work
14:09 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.announce
14:09 <Lucifer> thanks
14:09 <@armabot> wrtlprnft:
14:10 <wrtlprnft> #help rss annpunce
14:10 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "rss annpunce".
14:10 <wrtlprnft> #help rss announce
14:10 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (rss announce [<channel>] [--remove] [<name|url> ...]) -- Adds the list of <name|url> to the current list of announced feeds in the channel given. Valid feeds include the names of registered feeds as well as URLs for a RSS feeds. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If no arguments are specified, replies with the current list of feeds to (1 more message)
14:10 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce #armagetron 0.3.1
14:10 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:11 <Lucifer> .list rss
14:11 <wrtlprnft> now someone make a commit
14:11 <PinkTomato> makedist is unix spaces i think too
14:11 <PinkTomato> if you need ideas ;)
14:11 <Lucifer> heh, if you've got a suggestion on how to fix the problem where resource.dtd isn't included in the distribution, I can fix it and commit it :)
14:11 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod
14:11 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 600
14:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:12 <wrtlprnft> 5 minutes on average till the message is shown…
14:12 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod 300
14:12 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:12 <wrtlprnft> make that 2.5
14:13 <Lucifer> ok, I just committed PinkTomato (hi there!) 's requested fix
14:14 <PinkTomato> ty :)
14:17 <wrtlprnft> he didn't do it for you, just for me!
14:17 <wrtlprnft> ty Lucifer 
14:17 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
14:17 <Lucifer> you're both welcome :)
14:19 <wrtlprnft> don't disappoint me armabot 
14:20 <wrtlprnft> INFO 2009-01-05T14:19:05 Checking for announcements at <http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py>
14:20 <wrtlprnft> err, that commit isn't in the rss feed
14:20 <Lucifer> er, what?
14:21 <Lucifer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1/revision/749
14:21 <Lucifer> er, yeah it is
14:21 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1/branch.atom
14:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Revision 749 || Revision 748 || Revision 747 || Revision 746 || Revision 745 || Revision 744 || Revision 743 || Revision 742 || Revision 741 || Revision 740 || Revision 739 || Revision 738 || Revision 737 || Revision 736 || Revision 735 || Revision 734 || Revision 733 || Revision 732 || Revision 731 || Revision 730 || Revision 729 || Revision 728 || Revision 727 || Revision 726 || (1 more message)
14:22 <PinkTomato> It changed after 20 minutes past I think
14:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
14:22 <wrtlprnft> #0.3.1
14:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command "0.3.1" is available in the Alias and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "0.3.1".
14:22 <wrtlprnft> #rss 0.3.1
14:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r748: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || 0.3.1 z-man r747: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated. || 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r746: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out of it. || 0.3.1 (6 more messages)
14:22 <wrtlprnft> #rss 0.3.1?blah
14:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '0.3.1?blah' is not a valid url.
14:22 <PinkTomato> is that the cached version?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py?123
14:23 <Lucifer> I see it in my web browser when I go to your rss script
14:23 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r749: Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too || 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r748: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || 0.3.1 z-man r747: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated. || 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r746: Miscellaneous fixes to (6 more messages)
14:23 <PinkTomato> I didn't see it at first
14:23 <Lucifer> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py
14:23 <@armabot> Lucifer: 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r748: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || 0.3.1 z-man r747: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated. || 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r746: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out of it. || 0.3.1 Daniel (6 more messages)
14:23 <PinkTomato> but it appeared shortly after armabot was supposed to go off  I think,
14:23 <PinkTomato> unless that was a local cached copy
14:23 <Lucifer> maybe there's a caching thing going on
14:24 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to consider cached rss feeds to be outdated after 5 mins
14:24 <@armabot> 0.3.1: 0.3.1 dave@davefancella.com r749: Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too
14:24 <PinkTomato> that works then ?
14:24 <wrtlprnft> just took some time
14:25 <wrtlprnft> just a bit redundant it seems
14:25 <wrtlprnft> the next one should be without the extra 0.3.1
14:25 <PinkTomato> from teabot?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> let's see how well large commit messages are handled
14:26 <wrtlprnft> CIA shortens them quite well
14:26 <wrtlprnft> plus it shows which files have changed, i don't even have that info
14:29 <@armabot> 0.3.1: dave@davefancella.com r749: Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too || dave@davefancella.com r748: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings || z-man r747: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated. || dave@davefancella.com r746: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out 
14:35 <Lucifer> hmmm, so it's copying resource.dtd, but it's not renaming it
14:36 <Lucifer> er, nvm, it's doing that
14:38 <Lucifer> aha!  figured it out, I think
14:42 <Lucifer> @list rss
14:42 <teabot> Lucifer: add, announce, arma0.2.8, armaannounce, armablah, armabugs, armacommits, armaevents, armatrunk, info, nbcommits, nbcommitsandtickets, nbtickets, neverforum, remove, rss, tstnews, vectronbeta2, vectroncommits, xclanaarepo, xclansitecommits, zthraaannounce, zthraabugs, and zthraacommits
14:42 <Lucifer> #list armacommits
14:42 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'armacommits' is not a valid plugin.
14:42 <Lucifer> #help armacommits
14:42 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: There is no command "armacommits".
14:43 <Lucifer> duh
14:43 <Lucifer> @help armacommits
14:43 <teabot> Lucifer: (armacommits [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armacommits at the RSS feed <http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/revisions.atom>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
14:44 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: there's how teabot gets it
14:44 <Lucifer> who owns teabot, anyway?
14:44 <PinkTomato> I thought it was epsy, but I could be wrong
14:45 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I think I found the 404 problem and fixed it, will be testing a new autopackage shortly
14:45 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: OK, I'll be ready to test when done :)
14:46 <Lucifer> heh, have to build the package first, since it's clearly a packaging problem (problem doesn't happen in a regular sandbox build)
14:47 <PinkTomato> ah, so its that make dist thing that takes forever?
14:47 <Lucifer> no, different thing
14:47 <Lucifer> the make dist thing that takes forever is make distcheck, and it just checks the source tarball
14:47 <PinkTomato> oh right :)
14:47 <Lucifer> this is, if you ever look at tools-build-trunk, that's where our packaging automation stuff is
14:48  * Lucifer wonders if rpmtools are available for ubuntu
14:48  * Lucifer wonders if we should drop rpm as our other generic linux build and switch to .deb
14:48 <PinkTomato> Do you mean something like alien?
14:48 <Lucifer> no
14:48 <Lucifer> something to build rpms
14:48 <PinkTomato> oh the other way round :)
14:49 <PinkTomato> isn't .deb more common now anyway?
14:49 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r749 Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too || [tools-buildbot-trunk-work] r1 Moving buildbot config files so we can have a bzr branch for...
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14:55 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's why I was thinking we might consider switching out .rpm for .deb
14:55 <Lucifer> at the time z-man used .rpm for generic linux building (which predates the armagetron advanced fork, even), .rpm was ubiquitous
14:56 <Lucifer> we switched to autopackage for generic linux building for 0.2.8, but keep building generic rpms because we have the capability
14:56 <Lucifer> or rather, z-man has the capability (or had, he was building in gentoo back then, and I think he finally switched to kubuntu, but we haven't released since before then)
14:56 <Lucifer> so we may not have the capability anymore
14:56  * Lucifer hopes to find out soon ;)
14:57 <teabot> armablah: Registration is now open « Blog Archive « TST » Team Sumo Tournament <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/registration-is-now-open/>
14:59 <PinkTomato> :)
15:02 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18350&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15  <--- know anything about this?
15:02 <Lucifer> I saw a branch for it, I think
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15:14 <Lucifer> aha, it didn't work because it used an old tarball, heh
15:14 <Lucifer> duh
15:20 <Lucifer> z-man: have you tried to build an rpm since you left gentoo?
15:26 <Lucifer> #0.3.1
15:26 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: The command "0.3.1" is available in the Alias and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "0.3.1".
15:26 <Lucifer> #alias 0.3.1
15:26 <@armabot> bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
15:27 <Lucifer> #alias remove 0.3.1
15:27 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
15:27 <Lucifer> #alias add bzr0.3.1 echo bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
15:27 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
15:30 <K-Yo> #help bzr
15:30 <@armabot> K-Yo: (bzr <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) (bzr >= 1.4)".
15:39 <Lucifer> #alias add bzr echo bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) [bar0.3.1] (bzr >= 1.4)
15:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
15:39 <Lucifer> #bzr
15:39 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) [bar0.3.1] (bzr >= 1.4)
15:39 <Lucifer> #alias add bzr echo bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) [bzr0.3.1] (bzr >= 1.4)
15:40 <@armabot> The operation succeeded.
15:40 <Lucifer> #bzr
15:40 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1 (bzr >= 1.4)
15:40 <Lucifer> oh good, that takes care of that
15:40 <Lucifer> camview has lots of conflicts, and I'm nto going to resolve them
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15:52 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Race/WindingRace-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
16:10 <PinkTomato> damn it, screwed up my FTGL
16:10 <Lucifer> don't do that
16:10 <PinkTomato> hehe
16:10 <Lucifer> what did you do?
16:10 <PinkTomato> I installed the new one, see what BabyBug was on about
16:10 <PinkTomato> forgot about it
16:10 <Lucifer> now arma segfaults for you too?
16:11 <PinkTomato> says it can't find ftgl-o
16:11 <PinkTomato> or something
16:11 <PinkTomato> so I installed the ubuntu copy, and now it won't compile either
16:11 <BabyBug> Lucifer, It won't compile now. configure makes sure you're not running the version of FTGL that wont segfault
16:11 <BabyBug> will segfault*
16:12 <Lucifer> really?  in the trunk?
16:12  * Lucifer didn't see that, but he's not running a version that segfaults anyway
16:12 <BabyBug> yup
16:12 <Lucifer> so you'll need to install an older version of ftgl and hope configure finds it
16:12  * BabyBug can't install an older version *growl*
16:12  * Lucifer wants to statically link ftgl in the autopackage
16:13 <BabyBug> hopefully tomato can \o/
16:13 <PinkTomato> what about the one in ubuntu?
16:13 <Lucifer> hey BabyBug (hi there!) , try the autopackage again
16:13 <Lucifer> er, nvm
16:13 <PinkTomato> repository, ubuntu repository is always old.
16:13 <BabyBug> Lucifer, the .package file works fine though, even with the stupid ftgl version
16:13 <Lucifer> it's possible the .package file has ftgl statically linked and I just don't know it
16:13 <Lucifer> in which case, it's using ftgl code from my computer, which has a working ftgl version
16:13 <BabyBug> lol
16:14  * Lucifer is going to try to run a windows build with wine
16:14 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: is there a way to unmake a file?
16:14 <Lucifer> rm
16:14 <Lucifer> :)
16:14 <BabyBug> make clean gets rid of everything?
16:15 <PinkTomato> great, I'll re make install ftgl and see where it stuffs everything
16:15 <Lucifer> use checkinstall
16:15 <Lucifer> I just found out about it ;)
16:15 <BabyBug> isn't that the easy way to make debs?
16:15 <Lucifer> make uninstall should work, if the uninstall target exists in ftgl
16:16 <Lucifer> BabyBug: supposedly it makes them from a run of "make install"
16:16 <Lucifer> ok, fixed the 404 error
16:18 <Lucifer> not happy with the fix, though, because maps are inconsistent from cockpits for some reason
16:18  * Lucifer is installing codeblocks
16:20  * BabyBug is playing wow =x
16:21  * PinkTomato thinks make uninstall and apt-get ftgl-dev has worked :)
16:21 <PinkTomato> so thanks :)
16:21 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Race/Winding-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
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16:25 <Lucifer> hmmmm, does wine support .msi files?
16:26 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I got camview working in 0.3.1
16:27 <PinkTomato> I merged the wrong way though
16:27 <PinkTomato>  bzr merge -r688..689 ../trunk-armagetronad-camview/
16:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes it does
16:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you should have an msiexec command?
16:28 <BabyBug> msiexec file.msi
16:30 <PinkTomato> that camview is awesome ;)
16:35 <Lucifer> aha, thanks BabyBug (hi there!)
16:35 <BabyBug> yw
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16:36 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to want a separate copy of the branch to screw with windows building
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16:49 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Maze/diamondofdeath-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
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16:54 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: have you found the thread you were after?
16:54 <Lucifer> no, and I'm watching star trek now :)
16:55 <PinkTomato> http://forums.armagetronad.net/search.php?search_author=spang
16:55 <PinkTomato> not any of those is it?
16:55 <PinkTomato> I don't really know what your looking for, so :D
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17:25 <Concord> #seen rain
17:25 <@armabot> Concord: rain was last seen in #armagetron 1 year, 39 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 56 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <rain> ty yojimbo
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17:26 <Concord> wb
17:26 <Concord> #tronic_development
17:28 <Concord> INVITE Corn #tronic_development
17:28 <Concord> wups
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17:34 <Lucifer> #m PinkTomato thanks, I was afraid what I was looking for was in 0.3.1 laundry list, and it was.  Thanks for finding it :)
17:34 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
17:39 <MaZuffeR> #seen vinavil
17:39 <@armabot> MaZuffeR: vinavil was last seen in #armagetron 34 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <vinavil> it seems there is something interesting in x sumo
17:39 <MaZuffeR> Concord, rain used vinavil as his nick here because rain was already taken
17:40 <Concord> i forgot that
17:49 <Corn> how many weeks are in a year?
17:49 <Concord> 52
17:49 <Concord> 34/52
17:50 <Corn> k
17:57 <Lucifer> #bzr
17:57 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1 (bzr >= 1.4)
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18:01 <PinkTomato> armabot: I have a message?
18:01 <PinkTomato> yw lucifer :)
18:02 <Lucifer> why does bzr take so long to download a branch?  :(
18:04 <PinkTomato> Only seems slow to me if your waiting for something :). What did you mean by I was afarid it was in the laundary list
18:05 <Lucifer> the 0.3.1 laundry list thread is really long, and really painful to read because it's so long
18:05 <Lucifer> looking for anything in there is like looking for a needle in a haystack
18:07 <PinkTomato> ah, I see :)
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18:12 <Concord> ello
18:12 <epsy> hi
18:14 <Lucifer> er, why don't our batch files run under wine?
18:18 <PinkTomato> is it wineconsole?
18:18 <Lucifer> I think so
18:18 <Lucifer> wine cmd
18:19 <Lucifer> it segfaults when it's trying to check python
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18:25 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ?
18:25 <luke-jr> z-man: wouldn't AUTHORS be a one-or-the-other choice? O.o
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18:38 <Lucifer> grrrrrrrrr
18:38  * Lucifer doesn't remember how to get cb_console_runner to build arma from wine
18:39  * BabyBug zaps the remememememory into Lucifer's head
18:41 <Lucifer> oh, heh, I'm trying to do it wrong, that's the problem
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19:06 <epsy> z-man, ok, that should be fixed, sorry for the inconveniences
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19:07 <epsy> it should have proper default values in case they aren't available otherwise
19:08 <epsy> g++: unrecognized option '-nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway'
19:08 <epsy> lol??
19:08 <z-man> heh, that's not an error, is it?
19:08 <epsy> no, just a warning
19:09 <z-man> then it's fine :)
19:09 <epsy> and I think I spotted GCC thinking it was compiling C
19:09 <epsy> it shows on each line
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19:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8747 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): epsy: fixed build
19:13 <Lucifer> did you test it?
19:14 <epsy> the build, yes..now z-numbers seem broken
19:14 <Lucifer> z-numbers?
19:14 <z-man> that could be one of the things I commited blindly.
19:14 <Lucifer> er, z-man does blind commits?
19:15 <z-man> semi-blind.
19:15 <Lucifer> z-man: WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH Z-MAN????
19:15 <z-man> They fixed the problem I could see.
19:15 <z-man> Of course, they ran into different problems later, but I left them to epsy :)
19:15 <Lucifer> and here I thought I was being good by testing camview before blindly putting it in the trunk
19:16 <z-man> epsy: maybe all the version variables should be moved to tVersion.cpp as non-statics and declared extern in tVersion.h.
19:16 <Lucifer> hey, know of any other hacks people have done to the trunk that we haven't looked at?
19:17 <z-man> That prevents warnings about unused variables and is better anyway, because I don't think what you're currently doing actually works :)
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19:18 <epsy> z-man, that's what I just did, moving them to .cpp..that's saner for inclusion anyway
19:18 <Lucifer> heh, will that fix the problems with ruby?
19:18 <epsy> I'll change them to extern, that should be better..I have each 10× times considering nm
19:19 <z-man> epsy: no, you just move their values into the cpp, they're still declared and defined in the .h.
19:19 <Lucifer> hmmmm, anybody else getting a segfault in the 0.3.1 branch?
19:19 <epsy> yeah
19:19 <Lucifer> oh yeah
19:19 <epsy> (to z-man)
19:19 <Lucifer> z-man: when you built the 0.3.0 autopackage, what did you do about ftgl?
19:19 <Lucifer> does that get linked statically already?
19:19 <z-man> Compile it with CXX=apg++ into /usr/local, I think.
19:20 <z-man> yes, I probably added a line to the manifest that lets it be linked statically.
19:20  * z-man checks
19:21 <Lucifer> oh good, camview segfaults on exit
19:21 <z-man> no, it ftgl is not linked statically, it was a dependency.
19:22 <z-man> it's a C library, right?
19:22 <Lucifer> should be
19:23 <Lucifer> ah, I get it, heh
19:23 <Lucifer> I told it to link ftgl statically
19:24 <luke-jr> anyone happen to know if ftgl improves or detracts performance?
19:24 <Lucifer> both
19:24 <z-man> heh :)
19:24 <luke-jr> wtf
19:24 <luke-jr> how can it possibly do both?
19:24 <z-man> it improves the look
19:24 <Lucifer> it's one of those situations where there's no clear answer
19:24 <z-man> but at a cost.
19:24 <Lucifer> and the cost itself isn't always there, sometimes it improves the look *and* at higher performance
19:25 <z-man> and in some situations, it can be faster than 0.2.8's rendering.
19:25 <luke-jr> would it be simple to explain why the cost is sometimes there and sometimes not?
19:25 <Lucifer> in any case, it's our surest ticket to Really Good i18n support, so it has to stay if only for that reason
19:25 <Lucifer> luke-jr: sure.  IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SCENE AT THE TIME
19:26 <luke-jr> mh
19:26 <Lucifer> there's a higher initial cost, though.  0.2.8 loads the font textures and leaves them there, iirc
19:26 <Lucifer> ftgl has to render them as needed, but caches the renders
19:27 <luke-jr> the text isn't given a mirrored texture afaik, so perhaps that can be fixed
19:27 <Lucifer> so it slows up starting the game, but after it's gone through all the regular glyphs, it's a bit faster
19:27 <Lucifer> in any case, I think camview is good and should go into 0.3.1 :)
19:27 <luke-jr> what tool is used to edit the font, btw?
19:27  * Lucifer wants to see what people do with it with textures
19:28 <Lucifer> fontforge, iirc
19:28 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: can camview be customised like wrtl's cockpit?
19:28 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: it's a cockpit widget
19:28 <luke-jr> also, do font*.{xcf,png} have a reason to be in trunk anymore?
19:28 <Lucifer> voodoo did all the Right Things to get it included
19:28 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes, the old font rendering is still available
19:28 <PinkTomato> ooo :), might try that then
19:29 <Lucifer> it may always be available, in fact.  I can't think of a reason to completely remove it, until supporting that code costs more than its worth
19:29 <epsy> z-man, eh well, these lines did require -P
19:29 <z-man> Not acceptable, ensign epsy.
19:29 <z-man> :)
19:29 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: it's mostly our fault it's not there
19:30 <z-man> -P is not available here for me, so I suppose it's unavailable elsewhere.
19:30 <z-man> You'll need to find another way.
19:30 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: but I'm over here thinking it doesn't seem to slow down rendering, it looks nice, it works, and it's been sitting around for a year waiting for us to move on it
19:30 <Lucifer> -P isn't available for me, but :-P is
19:31  * Lucifer wonders what UNIX would look like if :- had been adopted as a standard for commandline options
19:31 <Lucifer> so, any objections to putting camview in the trunk?
19:32 <epsy> z-man, Lucifer: grep --version?
19:32 <z-man> GNU grep 2.5.3
19:32 <Lucifer> same here
19:32 <epsy> I have the same..
19:32 <z-man> manuel@gonzo:/mnt/E/NoBack/Video$ grep -P bla
19:32 <z-man> grep: Support for the -P option is not compiled into this --disable-perl-regexp binary
19:32 <z-man> blame kubuntu.
19:32 <epsy> can you tell me what kind of regexp it accepts?
19:33 <Lucifer> normal regexps?
19:33 <epsy> blah, another reason to have ubuntu :<
19:33 <Lucifer> you forget that perl is not the "standard" regexp
19:33 <epsy> ok, wtf are normal regexp?
19:33 <z-man> It's an experimental option.
19:33 <Lucifer> if it works in sed....
19:33 <z-man> man 7 regex
19:34 <epsy> no such entry, meheh
19:34 <z-man> also, of course, instead of grep + awk you can just use sed at times :)
19:34 <epsy> not very familiar with it
19:35 <epsy> but err, thinking about it, it should be better
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19:35 <epsy> well, let's see if sed likes my rexexps
19:36 <Lucifer> z-man: have you built any rpms since you left gentoo?
19:38 <z-man> No.
19:38 <Lucifer> I'm wondering how important it is for us to keep building rpms
19:38 <Lucifer> seems like it's a .deb world these days
19:39 <z-man> I can't see a reason to build .debs either when we have autopackages that work everywhere.
19:39 <epsy> VIM uses the same kind of regexp than sed by default, right?
19:39 <z-man> .debs are sort of expected to be taylored well to each distribution, which I can't be arsed to.
19:40 <z-man> launchpad has this build service where you just give them the source and they build .debs for all currently supported ubuntu variants.
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19:42 <Lucifer> well, .debs that are built for debian are kindof standard and expected to work on any debian-based distribution (even if they don't)
19:46 <teabot> armablah: I’m Not Going To Stumble On About Idealism « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/im-not-going-to-stumble-on-about-idealism/>
19:46 <Lucifer> er, wtf?
19:46 <Lucifer> + rpmbuild -ba /home/dave/RPM/SPECS/armagetronad.spec
19:46 <Lucifer> error: File /home/share/Projects/RPM/SOURCES/armagetronad-0.3.1_alpha1.src.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
19:46 <Lucifer> why is it looking there?  that's just crazy stuff
19:48 <Lucifer> that's an old directory I used to build rpms when I was still in mandriva
19:49 <Lucifer> so clearly this is fallout from copying my home directory from mandriva to kubuntu, but where is this thing getting defined?  :(
19:54  * Lucifer found it and fixed it
19:55 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r752 fixed build...
19:59 <epsy> grm..if haveone have the output of bzr missing when you have one revision more than on the branch's parent..
19:59 <epsy> well, forget
20:02 <Lucifer> is epsy making sense to anybody?
20:03 <ct|kyle> epsy never makes sense
20:03 <luke-jr> lol
20:04  * luke-jr gives up on font design
20:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8748 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/textures/ (Armagetronad.ttf armagetronad.sfd): I made a Pts character and a retarded smiley character
20:05 <Lucifer> er
20:05 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you did make sure you put those where they're actual utf-8 characters, right?  ;)
20:06  * Lucifer hates waiting for emails
20:10 <epsy> is there anything better than using   sed | wc -l ?
20:18 <z-man> depends on the sed command.
20:18 <z-man> Lucifer: there's an official retarded smiley in unicode?
20:18 <epsy> right, that seems to be working without grep
20:19 <epsy>  bzr log ${srcdir} -l ${localrevisions} | sed -ne 's/^ *revno: [0-9\.]\+$/\0/p' | wc -l
20:19 <epsy> for example
20:20 <Lucifer> z-man: I'm sure there's a place where it could be put
20:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: of course
20:21 <luke-jr> z-man: no, my smiley implementation is retarded
20:21 <luke-jr> z-man: I made it out of O, o, and U
20:21 <epsy> well, luke-jr can just type : ) where and he gets an officially retarded smiley
20:21  * Lucifer hates waiting for emails
20:22 <epsy> here *
20:22 <luke-jr> ☺
20:22 <epsy> here you go
20:22 <PinkTomato> must be UTF-8 then?
20:22 <epsy> (note how you can barely read it, heh)
20:22 <z-man> Lucifer: objections against putting Arma on PC ACTION (German PC games magazine, obnoxious, but popular)
20:22  * Lucifer notes how epsy can barely read it
20:23 <epsy> hmmm capslock?
20:23 <Lucifer> z-man: no?
20:23 <z-man> good :)
20:23 <luke-jr> z-man: we have enough obnoxious players that it wouldn't make a big difference
20:23 <Lucifer> I should just put camview in 0.3.1, it's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask for approval
20:23 <Lucifer> not that luke-jr would notice, he never plays :)
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20:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wouldn't you be the one approving it? o.O
20:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I do so!
20:24 <luke-jr> I have 3D accel now
20:24 <epsy> is it intel 3D accel?
20:24 <Lucifer> luke-jr: well, it is an unreviewed patch
20:24 <luke-jr> epsy: no
20:24 <Lucifer> I mean, I did scroll through the implementation and look at it, but that doesn't mean much
20:24 <epsy> then you will still be able to "love intel for it's GPUs"
20:25 <PinkTomato> intel blames valve and valve blames intel
20:25 <luke-jr> valve sucks
20:25 <epsy> valve..wtf was valve?
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20:25 <epsy> @g valve
20:25 <teabot> epsy: http://www.valvesoftware.com/ - Valve
20:25 <PinkTomato> HalfLife
20:25 <epsy> & portal?
20:25 <PinkTomato> yeah :)
20:26 <PinkTomato> I got portal working only when I turned off all mirroring and transparancy
20:26 <PinkTomato> which means you can't see the walls
20:26 <epsy> watching a few videoshots of portal it looks great but gameplay could be better
20:26 <epsy> it's too easy
20:26 <PinkTomato> Well I would love to play it ;)
20:26 <PinkTomato> I don't know if I should be blaming intel or valve though
20:26 <epsy> I mean, portals are bidirectionnal, you can build them individually..
20:27 <epsy> and wtf has this to do with intel?
20:27 <epsy> valve does DirectX anyway?
20:27 <PinkTomato> Intel Graphics Card
20:27 <luke-jr> does not exist
20:27 <PinkTomato> Well when I say card, i meant chipset
20:27 <luke-jr> :D
20:27 <epsy> hrhr
20:28 <Lucifer> #bzr
20:28 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1 (bzr >= 1.4)
20:28 <epsy> PinkTomato, install nexuiz, and try that race server
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20:28 <epsy> it has a much more tricky portal gun
20:29 <PinkTomato> wow that looks pretty good
20:30 <epsy> ie. You can't build portals individually, they are unidirectionnal, but the projectile it a bit slower :)
20:30 <epsy> is *
20:30 <Lucifer> here we go with another long branch operation :(
20:30 <PinkTomato> :(
20:30 <epsy> Lucifer, have you made a bzr repo somewhere on your comp?
20:31 <Lucifer> epsy: yes?
20:31 <epsy> use it?
20:31 <Lucifer> er, ok?
20:31 <Lucifer> look, I get this:
20:32 <epsy> branching is usually shorter using a repo
20:32 <Lucifer> dave@fiona:~/Projects/armagetronad/armagetronad$ bzr pull lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
20:32 <Lucifer> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/dave/Projects/armagetronad/armagetronad/lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1/".
20:32 <Lucifer> when trying to pull to my branch
20:32 <epsy> outdated bzr
20:32 <epsy> needs 1.6
20:32 <Lucifer> epsy: but if I do that, I still have to update the lp branch somehow
20:32 <epsy> but?
20:35 <Lucifer> oh yeah, I wanted to put up another autopackage for PinkTomato (hi there!) to test
20:35  * Lucifer guesses he'll do it after this branching is done, so he can build it with camview in it
20:42 <Concord> could I have a 6 word description of camview? i have no idea what it is but it sounds cool
20:42 <PinkTomato> rear view mirror widget very awesome
20:42 <Concord> oho!
20:42 <Concord> that is cool
20:42 <@armabot> 0.3.1: dave@davefancella.com r751: Credited voodoo for camview || dave@davefancella.com r750: Added camview, from voodoo
20:42 <Concord> I could reassign my glance back button to something else
20:43 <luke-jr> since 0.3.1 was done bzr-only, any objections if I manually sync it into svn?
20:44 <PinkTomato> Corn: screenshots: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18350
20:44 <luke-jr> or maybe z-man's script is able to do it?
20:44 <Corn> What?
20:44 <Lucifer> it's not just rear view, it's any view, it's configurable
20:44 <Corn> Oh wow is that several different camera views at once
20:45 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8749 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): epsy: ..and have an actual working version label
20:45 <Lucifer> yeah, the show-off camview shows two on the cockpit
20:45 <Corn> Interesting
20:45 <Corn> that might actually make cockpit a viable view
20:45 <Lucifer> er, that sentence didn't make any sense
20:46 <Lucifer> rather, it makes sense if you mean cockpit as a synonym for in-cam, which iit isn't :)
20:46 <Corn> i meant incam :P
20:46 <Lucifer> cockpit replaces the HUD that's in 0.2.8
20:47 <Corn> cockpit is more of a synonym to HUD really
20:47 <Lucifer> not anymore, with textures it's finally grown to where it's bigger than HUD
20:48 <Lucifer> it's not too far from being able to provide a view of the inside of the light cycle
20:48 <Corn> a view from inside the light cycle could just be a HUD module
20:49 <Corn> covering the entire view
20:49 <Lucifer> yeah, that's what the cockpit provides now
20:49 <Corn> well i gotta go bye
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20:49 <Lucifer> but you have to be able to glance and see the other parts of the cycle, which it doesn't provide
20:54 <Lizmatic> COCKPIT
20:54 <Lucifer> it's really too bad liz can only read the first four letters of any word
20:55 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r754 ..and have an actual working version label || [0.3.1] r751 Credited voodoo for camview || [0.3.1] r750 Added camview, from voodoo || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r753 I made a Pts character and a retarded smiley character
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21:08 <ct|kyle> #quote get #crazy-tronners 7
21:08 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Error: There is no Quote with id #7 in my database for #crazy-tronners.
21:11 <ct|kyle> darn i thought for sure i quoted ed and his Cock
21:11 <ct|kyle> pit files messages
21:15 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you got any .package files with the fixed cockpit?
21:15 <Lucifer> fixed cockpit?  was it broke?
21:15 <Lucifer> oh wait, yeah, coming :)
21:16 <BabyBug> kk :)
21:16  * Lucifer just deleted what he had to rebuild
21:16 <epsy> Lucifer, I should be done
21:16 <epsy> wow magic IRC
21:16 <Lucifer> done with what?
21:16 <Lucifer> cleaning up your mess?  ;)
21:16 <epsy> :)
21:17 <epsy> unless building then running arma with --versioninfo gives crap, mess is cleaned up
21:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually, when looking at resource font sets it gets way easier if you remove support for the old fonts
21:18 <epsy> should I put a PKGBUILD in trunk?
21:18 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: weren't we keeping support for the old fonts around for performance reasons on older machines?
21:18 <Lucifer> or was it just more of our collective fear of commitment?
21:19 <wrtlprnft> i think it was just because the new fonts were experimental
21:19 <Lucifer> if that's the reason, then we can drop support anytime :)
21:20 <wrtlprnft> we could support rendering the fonts at a lower resolution than it's really used at, though
21:20 <Lucifer> the new fonts are at least as functional as the old, I think
21:20 <epsy> do we have a target for building stuff that helps utilities such as whatever builds .debs ?
21:21 <wrtlprnft> when i do the resource font thing they may be gone
21:21 <Lucifer> well, if there's a reason to keep the old font system around, I'm happy to keep it around, and I'm willing to not support resource fonts that use the old fonts
21:21 <wrtlprnft> alone because of the fact that they use up the name tFont
21:21 <Lucifer> epsy: it's in the trunk-build-work branch
21:21 <epsy> ah, crap
21:21 <Lucifer> oh yeah, you need to pull a branch :)
21:22 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: basically, I don't care.  If you want to pull the old fonts out, I can't think of any reason it should ruin my day :)
21:22 <epsy> more branches to the same product for different tools, meh, I guess
21:22 <Lucifer> epsy: yep :)
21:24 <Lucifer> this thing needs to hurry up :/
21:24 <epsy> well, arch packages are not mandatory
21:24 <epsy> and we have to deal stuff with the arch guys then :(
21:25 <Lucifer> I'm gonna go fart around for a bit, it's really frustrating waiting for email :(
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21:37 <epsy> ok, I built arma. NOW I can make distclean
21:41 <K-Yo> wb P4
21:41 <P4> when did i leave?
21:41 <P4> and what reason?
21:41 <epsy> Success
21:46 <epsy> Lucifer, if I should change some values in a file I should have some .in version of it, and then adjust it from the Makefile?
21:46 <epsy> (that file being a helper at building packages in trunk-build)
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21:47 <epsy> or is it another way that's the standart?
21:49 <K-Yo> * P4 est parti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:49 <K-Yo> I don't have time
21:49 <P4> no no, it means my time was over :þ
21:50 <epsy> #any --from P4 -no-limit
21:50 <@armabot> epsy: (any [<channel>] [--user <name>] [<nick>]) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen doing. This includes any form of activity, instead of just PRIVMSGs. If <nick> isn't specified, returns the last activity seen in <channel>. If --user is specified, looks up name in the user database and returns the last time user was active in <channel>. <channel> is only (1 more message)
21:56 <K-Yo> --nolimit ?
21:56 <Lucifer> epsy: you should never adjust a makefile directly
21:56 <Lucifer> if there's a .am file, you edit that and that only
21:56 <epsy> I don't see --nolimit documented anywhre on this function
21:56 <Lucifer> if there's just a .in file, you edit that
21:57 <Lucifer> the makefile in the build module is different, though.  It's just a regular makefile
21:57 <epsy> yes-
21:58 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: BabyBug (hi there!)
21:58 <BabyBug> Lucifer
21:58 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/armagetronad-0.3.1_alpha1.i486-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:58 <Lucifer> let me know if it works :)
21:58 <Lucifer> also, check the incam for a surprise
21:58 <epsy> I'm building up a PKGBUILD, but unlike debian's 'rules', it's not interactive, so I'll have to fill in the values before letting makepkg do it's job
21:59 <BabyBug> Lucifer, got the torrents on again?
22:00 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yes :)
22:00 <Lucifer> Red Dwarf, this time
22:00 <epsy> PinkTomato, I didn't ask, but is valve's portal based off id4 ?
22:00 <PinkTomato> epsy: Not sure really
22:01 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I think being able to upload on a home connection at 60kB/sec is a feat in itself
22:01 <epsy> Lucifer, so, would be putting up a PKGBUILD.in and having a make rule fill the values in The Right Way To Do It ?
22:01 <Lucifer> epsy: I don't know, what the hell is PKGBUILD?
22:02 <epsy> a file that makepkg reads to build archlinux packages
22:02 <PinkTomato> report anon stats to developers?
22:03 <Lucifer> epsy: in that case, there is no "right" way to do it
22:03 <Lucifer> but here's the general approach, which you'll see done in the old mandriva spec files and autopackage file
22:03 <epsy> so I have to make up the right way to do it?
22:04 <Lucifer> basically, we want configure to have options to allow us to configure every aspect of the build, including where shit gets installed
22:04 <Lucifer> then, in the package build instructions, there's usually a way to tell it what options to pass to configure
22:04 <PinkTomato> still suffering from 404 resource here, checking i'm running the right ver atm
22:04 <Lucifer> so use that
22:05 <epsy> ah, so from the makefile I should have a way to fetch packagename and packageversion ?
22:05 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: is the 404 error followed by a bunch of xml validation errors?
22:05 <PinkTomato> yes, so it might not be a 404
22:05 <Lucifer> epsy: yes.  Currently there's some rewriting done for every thing, where our sources contain a placeholder of sorts
22:06 <Lucifer> the original rpm spec file is a series of m4 files, that's like the most hardcore we can get
22:06 <Lucifer> but you can use something simple and use sed to do the replacement if you like
22:06 <Lucifer> you know, to put the version in
22:06 <epsy> yeah
22:06 <epsy> well, PKGBUILDs are meant to be simple, so I'll keep it simple
22:07 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: it shoudl start with a 404 error for resource.dtd or something like it
22:07 <PinkTomato> yeah its a .dtd 404
22:07 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: you can easily verify it's the right version by looking in the about menu
22:07 <Lucifer> it should be versioned 0.3.1_alpha1
22:08 <PinkTomato> I made my own copy today,
22:08  * Lucifer didn't test this particular autopackage, but dammit, it was fixed!
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22:13 <Lucifer> oops, I should've tested the server before tagging, heh
22:20 <epsy> boo graffitis
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23:35 <Lucifer> great, teh server doesn't build.  :(
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Log from 2009-01-06:
--- Day changed Tue Jan 06 2009
00:03 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
00:04 <z-man> Lucifer: I'm on it, but first I have to get the client to build with CODELEVEL=2.
00:04 <z-man> (small grrr)
00:04 <Lucifer> heh
00:04 <z-man> Wouldn't be able to do more than small dirty work right now anyway.
00:07 <Lucifer> hmmm, the server built just a couple of days ago, though.  :/
00:07  * Lucifer isn't sweating it much right now, just anxiously waiting emails that are probably nto coming today after all
00:08 <z-man> I only have one error in the server so far, it was easy to fix.
00:08 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ac75653.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
00:09 <z-man> A call to a cockpit function not existing on the server.
00:10 <Lucifer> I fixed that one, that was my fault
00:10 <Lucifer> it came in with camview
00:10 <Lucifer> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../armagetronad/src/vParser.cpp', needed by `libtools_a-vParser.o'.  Stop.
00:10 <Lucifer> it doesn't make sense because it was building a couple of days ago
00:11 <z-man> I don't get that one.
00:12 <Lucifer> really?
00:13 <Lucifer> probably I should clean up my build directory and try again then
00:16 <smoothice> PinkTomato: is it just me or did you get the AIs on your Team Sumo server to play sumo correctly?
00:17 -!- sinewav_away is now known as sinewav
00:18 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :)
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00:18 <PinkTomato> smoothice: if they do, that wasn't me ;)
00:22 <smoothice> z-man: If the functionality of the username field was mixed case in previous versions of the client, then why did it change now?
00:22 <z-man> Umm, no. The username was always lowercase, IIRC.
00:23 <z-man> It was just that non-armathentication aware clients plainly put the player name into the username field, which definitely is wrong.
00:23 <smoothice> z-man: alright
00:24 <z-man> gotta move from room to room
00:24  * z-man wishes he had taken his batteries
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00:56 <@armabot> 0.3.1: Manuel Moos r754: Fixed server compilation. || Manuel Moos r753: Fixed more warnings. || Manuel Moos r752: Fixed unused variable and variable init order warnings.
01:00 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Fixed server compilation.... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed more warnings.... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed unused variable and variable init order warnings....
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02:18 <neal9> #list
02:19 <@armabot> neal9: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
02:19 <neal9> #weather
02:19 <@armabot> neal9: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
02:19 <neal9> #weather<barrie>
02:19 <neal9> #weather(barrie)
02:19 <PinkTomato> #weather Brighton, UK
02:19 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The current temperature in Portslade by Sea, Brighton, United Kingdom is 28.9°F (1:19 AM GMT on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
02:19 <neal9> #weather Barrie
02:20 <@armabot> neal9: The current temperature in Barrie Tall Oaks West End, Barrie, Ontario is 13.6°F (8:17 PM EST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
02:20 <PinkTomato> 13!!
02:20 <neal9> ya
02:20 <PinkTomato> #finc 13
02:20 <@armabot> PinkTomato: -10.5555555556
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:20 <neal9> wewt for canada
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:20 <PinkTomato> hehe, no idea what that is
02:20 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
02:20 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 19.4°F (8:20 PM EST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).
02:20 <PinkTomato> I'm sitting in gloves going its fricking freezing
02:20 <PinkTomato> and you have -11
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:21 <neal9> ya u get used to it
02:21 <neal9> sits supposed to go down to -23 on sunday
02:21 <neal9> celcius
02:21 <neal9> #finf -13
02:21 <ct|kyle> #finc -23
02:21 <@armabot> ct|kyle: -30.5555555556
02:21 <PinkTomato> I can't imagine whats that like
02:21 <ct|kyle> #cinf -23
02:21 <neal9> BLODDY COLD
02:22 <neal9> BLOODY*
02:22 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:22 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
02:22 <ct|kyle> lol
02:22 <neal9> lol
02:22 <ct|kyle> #g -23 in F
02:22 <PinkTomato> argh, Lucifer someone changed it again
02:22 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:22 <neal9> r u guys in the tronic bowl?
02:22 <ct|kyle> #g -23C in F
02:22 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (-23) degrees Celsius = -9.4 degrees Fahrenheit
02:22 <ct|kyle> finally
02:22 <neal9> #g -40C in F
02:23 <@armabot> neal9: (-40) degrees Celsius = -40 degrees Fahrenheit
02:23 <PinkTomato> I love that one :)
02:23 <neal9> hahah i never understood that
02:23 <neal9> #g -41C in F
02:23 <@armabot> neal9: (-41) degrees Celsius = -41.8 degrees Fahrenheit
02:23 <neal9> wtf?
02:23 <PinkTomato> one of them must be on a logoromathric scale
02:23 <BabyBug> #g 42C in F
02:23 <@armabot> BabyBug: 42 degrees Celsius = 107.6 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <BabyBug> #g -42C in F
02:24 <neal9> lol
02:24 <@armabot> BabyBug: (-42) degrees Celsius = -43.6 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <neal9> si know this one:
02:24 <neal9> #g 100C in F
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 100 degrees Celsius = 212 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <neal9> wewt for bvoiling points
02:24 <neal9> #g 100C in K
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 100 degrees Celsius = 373.15 kelvin
02:24 <neal9> shahahha
02:24 <PinkTomato> Celcius makes sense
02:24 <PinkTomato> move over to it ;)
02:24 <neal9> #g 0K in C
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 0 kelvin = -273.15 degrees Celsius
02:25 <neal9> mover over to it?
02:25 <PinkTomato> I mean, switch to it
02:25 <PinkTomato> its the most useful metric measurement
02:25 <neal9> WE ARE IN CELCIUS
02:25 <neal9> lol
02:25 <PinkTomato> Oh shi sorry
02:25 <PinkTomato> It's the people south of you
02:25 <neal9> i r canadian eh?
02:25 <neal9> ya
02:26 <PinkTomato> your even futher than us
02:26 <neal9> we also use the metres centimetres etc
02:26 <PinkTomato> you have km/h?
02:26 <neal9> where do u live?
02:26 <neal9> ya
02:26 <PinkTomato> UK
02:26 <neal9> oh
02:26 <PinkTomato> we still use miles and sell milk in pints
02:26 <neal9> noobs
02:26 <neal9> lol
02:26 <PinkTomato> pretty much :P
02:26 <neal9> and use weight as currency
02:26 <neal9> haha
02:26 <ct|kyle> I like the metric system, but i'm not good a lower C conversions
02:26 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:27 <neal9> thats cuz u dont live in the cold
02:27 <ct|kyle> ya i do
02:27 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: I'm no good with estimated low celcius either, as I don't live in the cold :D
02:27 <neal9> when u live in the cold, u find out what each temo is in each system
02:27 <neal9> 0C=32F
02:28 <ct|kyle> -40C = -40F
02:28 <ct|kyle> I forgot about that one
02:28 <neal9> lol
02:28 <PinkTomato> do they teach metric in US schools?
02:28 <ct|kyle> in science
02:28 <neal9> r u guys in the tronic bowl?
02:28 <PinkTomato> science? It's a maths subject surely?
02:28 <ct|kyle> but that is not much on temperatures (the classes i took anyway)
02:29 <PinkTomato> neal9: Its an ambitious plan...
02:29 <neal9> no, all science is done in metrioc
02:29 <ct|kyle> math the still use feet
02:29 <neal9> r u in it pink?
02:29 <PinkTomato> neal9: isn't it next year?
02:29 <ct|kyle> and when they try to use metric on certain problems they have a hard time
02:29 <neal9> no, its on june 7th
02:29 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: how?
02:30 <PinkTomato> neal9: if somehow we can gather that many people, I would be :)
02:30 <ct|kyle> one of teachers used meters in a gravity problem
02:30 <neal9> oh ya
02:30 <ct|kyle> only tought the 32 fps
02:30 <neal9> cuz its like 23m/s/s
02:30 <ct|kyle> not the 9.81 mps
02:30 <ct|kyle> meters/sec
02:30 <neal9> frames per second? XD
02:30 <ct|kyle> feet / sec
02:31 <neal9> i know
02:31 <ct|kyle> i know
02:31 <PinkTomato> new units are confusing
02:31 <neal9> zomg this is what happens when i try to do homework at the comp desk
02:32 <neal9> i hate ADD
02:32 <ct|kyle> that is probably the 1 think i like better about american system is that gravity is a nice round number
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02:32 <ct|kyle> lol
02:32 <PinkTomato> shame the whole system dosen't follow suit ;)
02:33 <PinkTomato> 1Kg is 1 Newton though
02:33 <neal9> lo
02:33 <neal9> funy colours
02:33 <neal9> wewt
02:33 <PinkTomato> colours?
02:33 <neal9> yes
02:34 <PinkTomato> I do not see colours
02:34 <neal9> do you see the colour in the chat?
02:34 <PinkTomato> only in the names
02:34 <neal9> hmmm must just be in mine
02:34 <PinkTomato> mIRC?
02:34 <neal9> the names?
02:34 <neal9> no
02:34 <neal9> this is an online version
02:34 <PinkTomato> Yeah, the chatter names
02:34 <neal9> i have mirc but i dunno how to use it to get on here
02:35 <PinkTomato> connect to server irc.freenode.net
02:35 <PinkTomato> and join room #armagetron ?
02:35 <neal9> ok
02:36 <neal9> how do i connect to the server?
02:37 <PinkTomato> isn't it somewhere in options in mIRC?
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02:38 <mkzelda> ALT + FAX for the mirc fax machine
02:38 <nsh22> yay
02:38 <PinkTomato> :)
02:38 <neal9> i kinda like the online 1 tho lol
02:38 <neal9> it ahs colour
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02:39 <nsh22> dont worry
02:39 <nsh22> im still here
02:39 <nsh22> #list
02:39 <@armabot> nsh22: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
02:41 <nsh22> #armaconfig
02:41 <@armabot> nsh22: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
02:41  * nsh22 slaps nsh22 around a bit with a large trout
02:41  * nsh22 slaps PinkTomato around a bit with a large trout
02:41 <nsh22> hahaha
02:43 <nsh22> kk i g2 do french homework
02:44 <nsh22> #signin
02:44 <PinkTomato> see you :)
02:44 <nsh22> lo l how do i sign in?
02:44 <PinkTomato> identify
02:44 <nsh22> kk
02:44 <nsh22> #identify
02:44 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
02:44 <nsh22> # armabot identify
02:44 <@armabot> i suck
02:44 <nsh22> lol
02:44 <nsh22> # armabot identify neal
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <nsh22> # armabot identify neal mmmmm
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <nsh22> # armabot register neal mmmmm
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <PinkTomato> #alias remove armabot
02:45 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
02:45 <nsh22> #armabot register neal mmmmm
02:45 <nsh22> can u see that?
02:45 <PinkTomato> yes.. :)
02:46 <PinkTomato> use /msg armabot
02:47 <nsh22> oh so u saw my pass?
02:47 <nsh22> lol
02:48 <nsh22> is there a way to clear the chat?
02:48 <nsh22> #clear
02:49 <PinkTomato> no :)
02:50 <PinkTomato> that's entered google now
02:50 <nsh22> what has?
02:50 <PinkTomato> mmmmm
02:50 <nsh22> ffs
02:50 <nsh22> time to go pass changeing :)
02:50 <PinkTomato> please say that isn't your password to everything?
02:50 <nsh22> no it isnt
02:50 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
02:50 <nsh22> jusr a few things lol
02:51  * nsh22 thinks of what all has mmmm as a pass
02:53 <nsh22> what else has it?...
02:53 <nsh22> oh well
02:53 <nsh22> nothing important anyway
02:53 <PinkTomato> o good :)
02:53 <nsh22> lol thats my "i dont care if this gets hacked" pass
02:54 <nsh22> hence the simplicity
02:54 <PinkTomato> :)
02:54 <nsh22> hey, u run DD racing right?
02:54 <PinkTomato> right
02:54 <nsh22> ok.. um a bunch off ppl want me to make racing maps just like the ones on ur server
02:55 <nsh22> i dont raeally want to do it lol, so i probably wont
02:55 <nsh22> but i was wondering if you stored the maps on gthe arma repository?
02:55 <PinkTomato> no, they are stored in a repository
02:56 <PinkTomato> I suggest you contact the author of the file before you go including the maps though :)
02:56 <PinkTomato> there's quite a few of them
02:56 <nsh22> is it on lke jrs repository?
02:56 <PinkTomato> no a private race one
02:56 <nsh22> and im not planning on just including them :)
02:56 <nsh22> oh ok
02:56 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/arma/
02:57 <nsh22> that would be copyright infringement possible
02:57 <nsh22> spossibly*
02:57 <nsh22> fiking s's
02:57 <PinkTomato> depends on yr country
02:57 <PinkTomato> I think, don't know copyright law
02:57 <nsh22> lol
02:57 <nsh22> im just gonna makemy own
02:57 <PinkTomato> anyway, yeah, just contact the author of the file if you borrow anything :)
02:57 <nsh22> maps that is
02:57 <PinkTomato> always good to see other examples first though :)
02:58 <nsh22> ya
02:58 <nsh22> ive played on ur maps, they are pretty fun
02:58 <PinkTomato> well none of the maps are mine :D
02:58 <PinkTomato> I attempted a teleport one, never got round to finishing it
02:59 <nsh22> aw, who was it that did that? i remember playing it somewhere
02:59 <PinkTomato> can't remember either, possible a CT member
03:00 <nsh22> hmmm
03:00 <nsh22> anyways, its 9:00 pm and i have a sh!t load of french homework to do
03:01 <PinkTomato> its 2am and I have a lot of sleeping to do
03:01 <nsh22> ill still be on here but i might not reply for a while
03:01 <nsh22> lol
03:01 <PinkTomato> so see you soon :)
03:01 <nsh22> bai
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03:01 <nsh22> #quit
03:01 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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03:39 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron !!!!! - Game Podunk <http://www.gamepodunk.com/forum/bonfire-chatting/3176-armagetron.html>
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04:16  * BabyBug growls at Lucifer
04:17 <BabyBug> Now arma can't load fortress cafe :P
04:20 <BabyBug> hrmmm....
04:20  * BabyBug wonders why her IP is a tiscali IP.....
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04:22 <BabyBug> Much better ^^
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05:07 <smoothice> Are there any risks to running a dedicated server using instead of
05:09  * Lucifer growls back at BabyBug
05:10 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
05:10 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 37.8°F (10:10 PM CST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
05:10 <Lucifer> smoothice: yes
05:10 <smoothice> Lucifer: What could happen?
05:11 <Lucifer> your server might melt
05:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: ...
05:11 <Lucifer> I don't remember what the reason for the release was, other than it was a security fix
05:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: I'm serious.... could it be hacked?
05:11 <Lucifer> and the 0.2.8 branch was too far along, but not far enough for a release, resulting in getting a patch and a release as
05:11 <Lucifer> er
05:12 <Lucifer> you get the idea
05:12 <Lucifer> yes, it could be hacked, but I don't remember how
05:12 <Lucifer> why are you considering
05:12 <Lucifer> especially when we're so close to releasing
05:12 <smoothice> Lucifer: 1 is an unlucky number
05:12 <Lucifer> no, 1 is a lonely number
05:13 <smoothice> even worse
05:13 <smoothice>
05:13 <Lucifer> a, don't forget the a
05:13 <smoothice> That's not a milestone in launchpad...
05:13 <Lucifer> after that, we'll release
05:14 <smoothice> gaah
05:14 <smoothice> lol
05:14 <Lucifer> then, we'll move on to
05:14 <smoothice> I don't believe this anymore lol
05:14 <Lucifer> after 0.3.1, we're going to binary release numbers, however
05:14 <smoothice> 0.4, 0.5?
05:14 <Lucifer> the version after 0.3.1 will be 0.10.01
05:15 <smoothice> Lots of servers run
05:15 <smoothice> .*
05:15 <Lucifer> then, 0.10.10, 0.10.11, 0.10.100, 0.10.101, etc
05:15 <smoothice> Lots of servers still run
05:15 <Lucifer> they shouldn't
05:15 <smoothice> Like Wild West Sumo
05:15 <smoothice> Version: unix dedicated
05:15 <Lucifer> maybe I'll dig up the thread where it was discussed on the forums and hack all of them
05:15 <smoothice> lol
05:15 <Lucifer> THEN they'll know they need to upgrade
05:16 <Lucifer> er, I wrote that wrong
05:16 <Lucifer> the version after 0.3.1 will be 0.11.10
05:16 <smoothice> I cannot find the thread..
05:16 <smoothice> I just want to know what .1 fixed
05:16 <Lucifer> it's in the developer's only forum
05:16 <smoothice> that’s all
05:16 <smoothice> devs only forum?
05:18 <smoothice> I'm not trying to hack.. simply interesting in the benefits of using .1
05:18 <Lucifer> I want to report a couple of in-game freeze/crash bugs I have found in
05:18 <Lucifer> the latest version of Armagetron (
05:18 <Lucifer> A client can freeze the server using a big num value (like 0xffff) in
05:18 <Lucifer> the id_req_handler function used by the server.
05:18 <Lucifer> The server will be freezed and the CPU reaches 100%
05:18 <Lucifer> The second bug instead is a crash which happens through an owner value
05:18 <Lucifer> bigger than MAXCLIENTS+1.
05:18 <Lucifer> The function about I refer is the following:
05:18 <Lucifer> nNetObject::nNetObject(nMessage &m):lastSyncID_(m.MessageIDBig()),refCtr_
05:18 <Lucifer> (0)
05:18 <Lucifer> If the value is not too big the server terminates with the message:
05:18 <smoothice> I think I'll use .1 :)
05:19 <Lucifer> Internal Error: Internal error in static nMachine& nMachine::GetMachine
05:19 <Lucifer> (short unsigned int) in network/nNetwork.cpp:3820 : Assertion userID <=
05:19 <Lucifer> MAXCLIENTS+1 failed
05:19 <Lucifer> No standalone proof-of-concept is available at the moment, sorry.
05:19 <Lucifer> Then I have also a doubt about the ReceiveLeagueMessage function used in
05:19 <Lucifer> Krawall, when this function is used?
05:19 <Lucifer> I ask you that because the code could cause the crash of the server
05:19 <Lucifer> through an invalid numPlayers (too big or negative).
05:19 <Lucifer> I wait your reply.
05:19 <smoothice> What about Tigers Network Classic Play? Running
05:19 <Lucifer> :)
05:19 <Lucifer> that was from Luigi Auriemma, our favorite random bug finder
05:19 <Lucifer> he finds the weirdest bugs and reports them to uus, and we feel so bad about the exploits we have to release a security release
05:19 <smoothice> How dangers is that ??? :P
05:19 <smoothice> dangerous
05:20 <Lucifer> it's probably not affected, heh
05:20 <smoothice> wow
05:20 <smoothice> lol
05:20 <Lucifer> guru3: you're still running your servers on
05:20 <Lucifer> smoothice: there was a big network refactoring that happened for 0.2.8
05:20 <luke-jr> there was a -c?
05:20 <Lucifer> luke-jr: evidently
05:20 <luke-jr> smoothice: exists, sortof
05:20 <Lucifer> is that with ctf?
05:20 <smoothice> luke-jr: where can I download it
05:21 <luke-jr> smoothice: Subversion
05:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no
05:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: GCC 4.2 fixes
05:21 <luke-jr> in theory, the actual code is the same as
05:21 <smoothice> luke-jr: All I see is # 0.2.5/
05:21 <smoothice> #
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.6/
05:21 <smoothice> #
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8/
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8-IPv6/
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8-auth/
05:22 <smoothice> #
05:22 <smoothice> #
05:22 <@armabot> smoothice: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
05:22 <smoothice> # 0.3.0/
05:22 <luke-jr> smoothice: I believe it's the branch
05:22 <smoothice> Not
05:22 <smoothice> ok
05:22 <luke-jr> branch, not tag
05:22 <Lucifer> smoothice: you pissed off armabot.  Smooth move ex-lax.
05:22 <smoothice> Lucifer: sorry? :(
05:22 <luke-jr> lol
05:23 <smoothice> luke-jr: /armagetronad/branches/ just contains code
05:23 <luke-jr> smoothice: wtf else did you expect?
05:23 <smoothice> lol
05:23 <Lucifer> heh
05:23 <smoothice> I expect another folder
05:23 <smoothice>
05:23 <smoothice> expected*
05:23 <luke-jr> smoothice: I didn't tag it.
05:23 <Lucifer> what part of "exists sorta" did you misinterpret?
05:23 <smoothice> Lucifer: all of it :P
05:24 <Lucifer> evidently ;)
05:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: What is the version set to?
05:24 <smoothice> or
05:24 <Lucifer> hey, 0.3.1_alpha1 is the new
05:24 <luke-jr> smoothice: probably
05:24 <smoothice> ok
05:24 <luke-jr> the *only* changes are to make it compile with GCC 4.2
05:24 <Lucifer> when we finish the development series, we'll release 0.four.oh
05:24 <luke-jr> or 4.4 or such
05:24 <luke-jr> how it runs should be unchanged
05:25 <smoothice> 0.4?
05:25 <smoothice> When will that be?
05:25 <smoothice> How many more years after
05:25 <Lucifer> after 0.11.111111
05:25 <luke-jr> 0.3 will become 0.4 or 1.0
05:26 <smoothice> Since 0.3 is considerably fake...
05:26 <smoothice> In terms of publicity
05:26 <luke-jr> wtf? fake?
05:26 <smoothice> yeah
05:26 <luke-jr> wtf?
05:26 <smoothice> the IRC topic
05:26 <luke-jr> 0.3 is experimental/development
05:26 <smoothice> oh
05:26 <smoothice> right...
05:26 <luke-jr> 0.4/1.0 exists when we decide to start fixing bugs
05:26 <luke-jr> :þ
05:27 <Lucifer> but that's going to be awhile, because epsy is writing new bugs faster than he can write new features
05:27 <Lucifer> I think he stays up late just thinking up new bugs to add to the game
05:27 <smoothice> ok
05:28 <luke-jr> LOL
05:28 <smoothice> lol
05:28 <smoothice> I have to head off :P
05:28 <smoothice> From this crazyness :)
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05:28 <Lucifer> oh yeah, I need to build a server package
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09:51 <teabot> armablah: Solooo Defff « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/solooo-defff/>
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10:35 <guru3> Lucifer: only one of them
11:05 <wrtlprnft> #rss add sty+ct http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/sty_ct
11:05 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:05 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce #armagetron sty+ct
11:05 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:05 <@armabot> sty+ct: kyle r648: Adding ADMIN_COMMAND to LadderLog || kyle r647: Adding INVALID_COMMAND to ladderlog || kyle r646: Adding the following Shooting deaths; DEATH_SHOT_FRAG, DEATH_SHOT_SUICIDE, and DEATH_SHOT_TEAMKILL to ladderlog || voodoo r645: add SET_PLAYER_TEAM || Ed Amos r644: voodoo's suggested fix to stop players being selected by their user id. caused problems if a player was named "8" or something equally stoopid. Now uses 
11:06 <wrtlprnft> #rss add sty http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/sty
11:06 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:06 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce #armagetron sty
11:06 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:09 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/source if anyone cares
11:09 <@armabot> sty: Manuel Moos r882: Merging from mainline. || epsy r881: merging from mainline || epsy46 r880: fixed unseen conflicts || wrtlprnft r879: Applied a patch that z-man didn't originally include || Manuel Moos r878: Fixed compiler errors introduced by the last merge. || Manuel Moos r877: Fixed network message memory leak. || Manuel Moos r876: Deleted old directories. || Manuel Moos r875: Moved resources and DTD to a better place. || 
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11:33 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
11:36 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron Advanced <http://www.find-freebies.org/armagetron-advanced/>
12:16 <z-man> #m Lucifer shall we continuously merge everything from 0.3.1 to the trunk?
12:16 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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12:26 <Flex> :o
12:34 <PinkTomato> Hello Flex :)
12:36 <Flex> hello PinkTomato :)
12:37 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8750 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): Manuel Moos: Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it is accepted.
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8751 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac:
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8743 to 8750:
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  r8750 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-01-06 12:36:57 +0100 (Tue, 06 Jan 2009) | 2 lines
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it is accepted.
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:40 <PinkTomato> anyone know the easiest way to move a NTFS partition?
12:42 <z-man> dd and ntfsresize.
12:42 <z-man> I suppose you're moving from a smaller to a larger partition?
12:42 <PinkTomato> from a 40GB hard drive to 250GB :)
12:43 <z-man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsresize
12:44 <z-man> Typically, the process is easy:
12:44 <Flex> what OS?
12:44 <z-man> dd if=<old partition id> of=<new shiny hd>
12:44 <z-man> Linux, of course.
12:44 <PinkTomato> I'll be using Linux boot cd, easiest way I think
12:44 <z-man> Yep.
12:44 <Flex> it's only 40gbs, you could just make an imagine :p
12:45 <PinkTomato> z-man: that's all?
12:45 <z-man> no, second step is "ntfsresize <new shiny hd>"
12:45 <z-man> then get Windows to actually recognize the new partition :)
12:45 <PinkTomato> I see, so that will resize it from a 40GB to whatever?
12:45 <z-man> yep.
12:46 <PinkTomato> is it going to take all day?
12:46 <z-man> Getting windows to recognize the new partition probably should be your first step.
12:46  * BabyBug gettings PinkTomato 
12:46 <BabyBug> gettings?!
12:46 <BabyBug> i mean cuddles
12:46 <BabyBug> dont ask me where that came from O.o
12:46 <PinkTomato> lol, um... hehe :D
12:46 <z-man> no, resizing to a bigger space typically just involves rewriting some header information.
12:46  * PinkTomato returns the hugs :)
12:46 <z-man> the dd is going to take a bit, of course. Depends on your HD speed.
12:47 <PinkTomato> its a slow drive 5200rpm, so I'll bring tetris
12:47 <Flex> i did something like that a while back.. i messed up, so backup maybe
12:48 <z-man> backups are always a good idea.
12:48 <z-man> But as long as you don't write to your old HD, nothing bad can happen.
12:48 <PinkTomato> so just be careful where you but you ifs.
12:49 <PinkTomato> put the ifs. Yeah, I'll back My Documents.
12:49 <z-man> the of= is more of a problem :)
12:49 <PinkTomato> ah, don't want to spend all day and nothing happening
12:51 <PinkTomato> so "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb"
12:52 <PinkTomato> I don't need the 1 on hdb?
12:53 <z-man> yes.
12:53 <PinkTomato> got it :). thanks :)
12:53 <z-man> You'd want to partition hdb first with one ntfs partition.
12:54 <PinkTomato> I see, at excactly the same size?
12:54 <z-man> No, make it the size you want it to be.
12:54 <PinkTomato> ah right, then will the size change afterwards?
12:54 <Flex> what happens if you swtich if and of?
12:54 <PinkTomato> Flex: disaster
12:55 <Flex> what kind?
12:55 <z-man> PinkTomato: yes. after the dd, you'll have a 40GB filesystem on a 250 GB partition.
12:55 <z-man> the ntfsresize will then make a 250GB filesystem out of that.
12:56 <PinkTomato> z-man: ok, I'll read about ntfsresize.
12:57 <PinkTomato> Flex: from what I gather, it would still look like it's working, but putting 0's on all your lovely data.
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13:13 <TaZ> Anyone awake?
13:20 <PinkTomato> TaZ: of course
13:20 <PinkTomato> its nearly 1pm
13:20 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r755 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8743 to 8750:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r975 Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it i...
13:21 <TaZ> Pinktomato: haha, it's 7:21 am here.
13:21 <TaZ> :P
13:22 <PinkTomato> hehe, well that's pretty nice time to wake up anyway
13:22 <TaZ> ehhh
13:25 <PinkTomato> It is, just enough time to do that assignment you should have done weeks ago.
13:26 <TaZ> lol, writing papers 5 minuets before class
13:26 <TaZ> :D
13:26 <PinkTomato> ;)
13:26 <PinkTomato> I'm getting better, its 2 days before now
13:26  * TaZ is the biggest procrastinator 
13:26 <TaZ> oo nice
13:29 <TaZ> You started school already?
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13:56 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
13:58 <z-man> Well, I'd post a reply there, but I'd be dammed to get an account.
14:02 <TaZ> z-man: you and not making accounts, I swear.
14:02 <TaZ> :D
14:04 <PinkTomato> well they could have at least used an openID thingy, ideally no login at all though, for a blog.
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14:27 <z-man> Yeah. If you want to encourage people to post helpful comments, you put as little barriers in their way as possible.
14:28 <z-man> And you make it easy for people knowing about the problem to find it, which that poster would have utterly failed at, too.
14:28 <z-man> were it not for teabot. What kind of service is armablah, anyway?
14:28 <z-man> does it scan a huge bunch of blogs for mentions of armagetron?
14:30 <z-man> Double fail. There isn't even an obvious way to get an account.
14:30 <guru3> it's hooked up to google iirc
14:30 <wrtlprnft> well, if you get z-man to read a post about an armagetronad problem i think you've succeeded
14:30 <z-man> that's to teabot's credit.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> there needs to be a bit of a challenge in finding it :-)
14:32 <wrtlprnft> err, how the hell DO you get an account there?
14:32 <z-man> heh :)
14:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe you're not supposed to make your own account
14:33 <z-man> you're supposed to hack it.
14:33 <guru3> "User registration is currently not allowed."
14:34 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the point
14:34 <wrtlprnft> there's tons of questions and not a single answer
14:34 <guru3> maybe they're all rhetorical :/
14:34 <wrtlprnft> it's to annoy people who have the same problem and then land on a page containing the problem's exact description but no answer
14:34 <Flex> lol
14:35 <guru3> lol
14:35 <guru3> and i feel like i should be doing something constructive
14:35 <guru3> but i'm not
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16:11 <Flex> cafe people?
16:11 <Flex> #cafe
16:11 <@armabot> Flex: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Flex, Fuzzy Mcmuff, Lizmatic, |x| FoFo
16:12 <Flex> MaZuffeR, G5, sunny
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16:25 <PinkTomato> Hmm... sorry, anyone have I idea what to do after dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/sda ? GParted says space is unallocated.?
16:30 <PinkTomato> I think I should have done /dev/sda1, whoops
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16:43 <epsy> ljrbot, I guess the ".5" was addressed to me :)
16:43 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
16:43 <epsy> Lucifer,
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16:49 <Lucifer> epsy:
16:51 <Lucifer> #m z-man I don't care if we continuously merge from 0.3.1 to the trunk, but I'd say it's not going to be worth it :)
16:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:51 <Lucifer> #m z-man I need windows and mac os x packages asap, I'd like to put up test builds of those
16:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:52 <Lucifer> #m z-man I'm going to look into the camview problem described in the thread and then either back it out (and put it in trunk) or fix it, whichever is appropriate ;)
16:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:52 <Lucifer> #m z-man but I'd like to release asap, so there shouldn't be a long string of changes in 0.3.1 to keep synced with the trunk
16:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
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17:05 <Lizmatic> #cafe
17:05 <@armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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17:18 <e_n_d_e_r> noobs! :P
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18:26 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 Merging from 0.3.1:...
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8753 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (21 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Bazaarmagetron
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: Automatic merging of commits that would change history order:
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  revno: 755.1.1
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  committer: Manuel Moos <z-man@users.sf.net>
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  branch nick: armagetronad
18:38 <z-man> #m Lucifer Mege from 0.3.1 to trunk done. The version script change related build errors are gone now, both for svn checkouts and bzr builds. versioninfo for svn is useless, of course, but we can fix that slowly on the trunk.
18:38 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
18:38 <Lucifer> heh
18:39 <Lucifer> so camview finally made it to the trunk ;)
18:39  * Lucifer just posted his dedicated server build
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18:51  * BabyBug cuddles Lucifer 
18:56 <BabyBug> #cafe
18:56 <@armabot> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
19:01 <z-man> Lucifer: oops, your #ms arrived too late :)
19:02 <z-man> camwiew has no bad effect unless you actually activate it, and the bug described in the forums could actually be described as a feature.
19:02 <z-man> Although a more xmly syntax would be preferable for in-camview rendering.
19:04 <Lucifer> Also, camviews currently need to be at the end of the cockpit file otherwise next widgets are rendered in the last camview widget  <--- not sure that's a feature ;)
19:05 <z-man> Not in that form :) But explicit rendering of widgets into the camwiew could be cool.
19:05 <teabot> armablah: 12.08 club-ubuntu WAN party « a psychopath and a psychiatrist walk ... <http://iheartyerface.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/1208-club-ubuntu-wan-party/>
19:05 <Lucifer> it's probably a matter where the curent rendering viewport is changed by the camview, but not returned to what it was
19:05 <z-man> Yep.
19:06 <Lucifer> but it seems like a little recursive rendering with the camview is in order, because you're right :)
19:06 <z-man> You may need to implement a viewport stack.
19:07 <z-man> anyway, off for groceries.
19:12 <Lucifer> have fun with that
19:12 <Lucifer> it looks like this is the culprit:
19:13 <Lucifer> 				viewports[viewport]->Select();
19:14 <Lucifer> #math calc 15*20*4.1
19:14 <@armabot> Lucifer: 1230
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19:21 <TaZ> Excuse me epsy, I see TST is coming up soon again
19:29 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r757 Automatic merging of commits that would change history order... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 Fixed last few errors with SVN builds.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Merging from 0.3.1:...
19:34 <Lizmatic> TaZ, you're not allowed to enter
19:34 <Lizmatic> :D
19:35 <TaZ> oh hai Lizmatic.  And how are you today?
19:37 <Lizmatic> um, good?
19:37 <TaZ> I can't enter because I speak Spanish?
19:37 <Lizmatic> no, you can't enter because you've got to be at least 10 years-old
19:37 <TaZ> Looks like we both can't enter then
19:38 <TaZ> :D
19:38 <Lizmatic> "ha ha"
19:38 <TaZ> How was ur New Years?
19:38 <Lizmatic> ur?
19:38 <TaZ> ur=your
19:38 <TaZ> There we go
19:38 <Lizmatic> no, your=your
19:38 <Lizmatic> ur=childtalk
19:39 <TaZ> I take it your New Years was good.
19:39 <Lizmatic> it's creepy how invested you are about my new years
19:39 <Lizmatic> but yes, it was fine
19:40 <TaZ> Is it weird that I'm being nice to you?
19:40 <Lizmatic> yes?
19:40 <TaZ> then stfu
19:40 <TaZ> jk :D
19:40 <Lizmatic> o_O
19:40 <Lizmatic> such wit, such humour.. *sigh*
19:40 <TaZ> When you cough, do you type it too?
19:42  * Lucifer coughs
19:42 <TaZ> oh hai Lucifer
19:42 <Lizmatic> what do you think the /me is for? moron
19:42 <TaZ> My other favorite person
19:43 <TaZ> oh Lizmatic, you're so funny
19:43  * Lucifer squeezes Lizmatic's shoulder
19:43  * Lizmatic is confused
19:43  * TaZ laughs hystaricly
19:44 <Lizmatic> hysterically.
19:44 <TaZ> oh your rite.  Not everyone can care about spelling like you. :)
19:44 <Lizmatic> you're.
19:45 <TaZ> If I had some stickers, I would def give you one for being the spell catcher of the day
19:47 <Lizmatic> stickers? aren't they like.. 5 cents? I wouldnt want you to waste your months paycheck, please
19:47 <TaZ> You're right, you'll need that for child support.
19:48 <Lizmatic> 5 cents for child support? idk how much your mom gave to support you but that aint enough :P
19:48 <Lizmatic> poor thing
19:48 <TaZ> Sorry, I wasn't spoiled like many kids today.  I see you were one of them. :D
19:49 <Lizmatic> yep, my mom gave me more than 5 cents.. i'm so spoiled
19:49 <Lizmatic> o/
19:49 <TaZ> Too she never taught you about..nvm
19:50 <Lizmatic> only a wimp goes back on his word
19:50 <TaZ> Then I'm a wimp
19:58 <Lucifer> TaZ: you're spewing hatred in this channel
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20:00 <TaZ> Lucifer: haha
20:01 <TaZ> As you can see, I tried to end the conversation.  I even tried making a nice conversation, but oh well.  I don't have time to argue with kids on the internet
20:02 <PinkTomato> on an #armagetron related note
20:02 <PinkTomato> A person has asked me for windows dedicated with armathentication
20:02 <PinkTomato> I'm prepared to compile them myself, but owuld rather use more professionally done
20:03 <PinkTomato> aabeta is 200803
20:06 <PinkTomato> Has any been done? forums etc?
20:10 <Lucifer> http://austin.craigslist.org/sof/981119903.html  <--- worst job programming posting
20:10 <Lucifer> TaZ: the difference between you an lizmatic is that she doesn't take it personally when I tell her she's spewing hatred all over the place ;)
20:10 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I don't have any idea if it's been done in a way that you're asking
20:11 <Lucifer> because you're basically asking for a release ;)
20:11 <TaZ> Lucifer: your humor is different, so it's hard to tell if you're serious or not. :p
20:11 <Lizmatic> it's hard to tell when you're 8, yes
20:11 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: That's true to be honest ;), OK, i'll do it myself :)
20:11 <Lucifer> not true, my 10 year old daughter can tell when I'm serious and not very well
20:12 <TaZ> Lizmatic, did I say you could talk?
20:12 <TaZ> :p
20:12 <Lizmatic> o_O
20:12 <Lizmatic> Since when do I need permission
20:12 <Lucifer> come to think of it, all of my kids do a good job calling me out on my bullshit
20:12 <Lizmatic> haha Luci
20:12 <Lizmatic> your kids are smarter than taz!
20:13 <Lizmatic> wait.. thats no hard accomplishment.. nvm..
20:13 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: well of course, look at their dad ;)
20:13 <TaZ> lol
20:13 <Lizmatic> :D
20:13 <Lizmatic> how old are your kids again?
20:15 <PinkTomato> Over 18 :P
20:15 <Lucifer> 5, 8, and 10
20:15 <TaZ> Lucifer is like 60
20:15 <Lizmatic> aw, nice
20:15 <Lizmatic> I'm due in 26 days..
20:15 <PinkTomato> aw  wow :), looking forward to it?
20:15 <Lucifer> oh yeah?  then you're going to have a 0-aged kid?
20:16 <Lizmatic> hopefully Luci :P
20:16 <Lizmatic> and yes I am!
20:16 <Lucifer> first kid?
20:16 <PinkTomato> :), no more bump :)
20:16 <Lizmatic> yep :)
20:16 <Lucifer> kids are so much fun :)
20:17 <Lucifer> if I had it to do all over again, I'd have had the same three kids with a different woman
20:17 <Lizmatic> agreed, women are not so much fun..
20:17 <Lizmatic> xD
20:17 <TaZ> lol
20:17 <Lucifer> oh no, women are very much fun, I must disagree with you there
20:17 <PinkTomato> Depends on the person
20:18 <BabyBug> Women = Lots of fun =D
20:18 <Lizmatic> BabyBug would know..
20:18  * Lizmatic coughs
20:18 <BabyBug> =)
20:18 <Lucifer> why?  Isn't BabyBug a 50 year old man pretending to be a young internet lesbian?
20:18 <TaZ> lolol
20:19 <BabyBug> Lucifer, damnit! you got me
20:19 <Lizmatic> no she's a beautiful young chick
20:19 <TaZ> K-Yo does Voodoo have an aim?
20:19 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I was fixing voodoo's camview
20:19 <Lucifer> before I got distracted looking for a job
20:19 <K-Yo> TaZ, I can't tell...
20:19 <TaZ> lol?
20:20 <Lizmatic> Voodoo isn't gay, TaZ
20:20 <K-Yo> TaZ, I don't use aim :P
20:20 <TaZ> AIM is the best
20:20 <TaZ> What about MSN?
20:20 <Lizmatic> um, MSN is the best
20:20 <TaZ> Uh no
20:20 <TaZ> MSN is for teh noobs
20:20 <Lucifer> fuck you all, xmpp is the best, and luke-jr knows it
20:20 <Lizmatic> compare AIM and MSNs interface..
20:20 <TaZ> That must be what old people use
20:21 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: do people really use those programs?
20:21 <TaZ> AIM is so much better..
20:21 <Lucifer> I thought the world had gone to programs like trillian
20:21 <Lizmatic> AIM is mostly used by Americans, Europeans use MSN
20:21 <Lucifer> and, er, the one I use
20:21 <Lucifer> whatever it's called
20:21 <Lucifer> kopete, that's it
20:21 <TaZ> MSN is just annoying to me
20:21 <Lizmatic> there are multi IM programs too
20:21 <Lizmatic> that support AIM+MSN+everything
20:21 <Lucifer> actually, American professionals use Yahoo!
20:22 <Lucifer> idiot american kids use AIM
20:22 <Lizmatic> Yahoo :| don't get me started
20:22 <Lucifer> look, anything that has AOL embedded in the name is inherently bad
20:22 <TaZ> Professionals you gmail
20:22 <Lucifer> gmail isn't an IM program
20:22 <Lucifer> it's a mail service
20:22 <TaZ> It has a messanging client within it, right?
20:22 <Lucifer> no
20:23 <Lizmatic> Myspace has an IM client too.. xD
20:23 <Lucifer> google offers an IM program
20:23 <Lucifer> based on xmpp
20:23 <TaZ> Myspace is for noobs too
20:23 <Lucifer> connects to the jabber network
20:23 <Lucifer> luke-jr loves it
20:23 <TaZ> ah
20:23 <epsy> TaZ, it is
20:23 <Lucifer> and being a professional, I've only ever been asked for a Yahoo! name, never a googletalk name
20:23 <Flex> what about msn?
20:23 <Lucifer> I'd love for googletalk to take over that role, because it hooks up to jabber and I can just use my jabber name
20:24 <TaZ> I hate MSN
20:24 <Lucifer> why?  the Borg are the best star trek villains ever!
20:24 <TaZ> epsy, for the TST, I'm going to have to review somethings.
20:24 <epsy> ok, have fun
20:24 <TaZ> Me and Killer are going to sign up for an American Sever.  I will screenshot
20:24 <epsy> I will too
20:25 <TaZ> haha ok
20:26 <Lizmatic> Flex: can I be in your ladle team?:D
20:26 <Flex> no
20:26 <Lizmatic> faggot
20:26 <TaZ> lolz
20:26 <epsy> TaZ, cna you hurry?
20:26 <TaZ> Oh, i'm waiting for killer
20:26 <Lizmatic> fine, I don't wanna be in your ladle team anyway!
20:26 <TaZ> I'll do it tonight
20:26 <epsy> ...
20:26 <TaZ> ..........
20:26 <epsy> why are you telling me about it now then?
20:27 <TaZ> To be on the lookout;D
20:27 <Flex> Lizmatic, answer my question and i'll answer yours!
20:27 <epsy> also, when is tonight?
20:27 <Lizmatic> what question? oO
20:27 <TaZ> Like maybeh 8:00 pm
20:27 <epsy> in 30 minutes?
20:28 <Lizmatic> oh.. no I'm not gonna move
20:28 <TaZ> -_-
20:28 <TaZ> EST time
20:28 <epsy> obviousely
20:28 <epsy> @calc 8:00 pm EST in GMT
20:28 <TaZ> which is 5 hours and 30 minuets away
20:28 <teabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:28 <epsy> don't rely on me then
20:28 <Lizmatic> Flex: I'm not gonna be on your ladle team now :( go screw yourself!
20:28 <TaZ> I won't
20:28 <TaZ> Lizmatic, aren't you two dating>
20:29 <Lizmatic> yes totally, so?
20:29 <TaZ> thats cool
20:29 <epsy> I've been bored in math class and reinvested that stupid min/max dating ages thing
20:30 <epsy> that stupid €100 calculator wont even let me accumulate stuff in the grapher
20:30 <Flex> how are we dating.. she has a boy friend
20:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Google's IM program is not XMPP
20:30 <Lizmatic> lmao
20:30 <epsy> let me guess, it's XMPP + extensions
20:31 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it's hooked into the jabber network...
20:31 <TaZ> o, I thought Flex was the stalker guy
20:31 <TaZ> nvm
20:31 <PinkTomato> Whatever is best, no one uses it
20:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: also, the IM program is built into Gmail too
20:31 <Flex> yeah.. i'm the stalker guy and who are you?
20:31 <luke-jr> epsy: no, it's proprietary
20:31 <TaZ> o
20:31 <Lucifer> I don't see it in my gmail interface
20:32 <epsy> that other stalker guy
20:32 <PinkTomato> so your forced to use the protocol, thankfully not the program of the client
20:32 <TaZ> I am TaZ
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yes, XMPP is supported on their servers
20:32 <TaZ> Nice to meet you
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: but their clients are strictly non-XMPP
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: try a different browser maybe
20:32 <Lizmatic> flex, taz is a bit mentally challenged.. don't mind him :)
20:32 -!- PinkTomato [i=502a7fff@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8803da1ebf05eab7] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"]
20:32 <TaZ> lmao
20:32 <epsy> it's a web-based IM application isn't it?
20:32 <luke-jr> epsy: there's both
20:32 <epsy> both?
20:33 <luke-jr> there's a web client in GMaail
20:33 <luke-jr> and Google Talk, a standalone Win32 app
20:33 <epsy> ah
20:34 <epsy> hrm
20:34 <TaZ> epsy, have you had a chance to mess with the Xperia X1 yet?
20:34 <epsy> no?
20:35 <TaZ> o
20:35 <epsy> p
20:35 <TaZ> se
20:36 <TaZ> Have you heard of it before?
20:36 <luke-jr> hey
20:36 <epsy> barely
20:36 <luke-jr> can I email someone here to make sure my email works? :þ
20:36 <epsy> luke-jr, epsy@jaim.at
20:36 <ct|kyle> TaZ: http://www.postimage.org/aV8J_cJ-99d7f0d2e4867550539ea87cd46553e5.png
20:37 <ct|kyle> or http://www.postimage.org/gx1o4jTi-99d7f0d2e4867550539ea87cd46553e5.png
20:37 <TaZ> I think you showed me that one
20:37 <epsy> but well, unless sony ericson starts using standardized ports(for headset etc), I'd rather avoid it
20:38 <TaZ> Yea, that's why I didn't like the Gphone
20:38 <TaZ> Ct|kyle, do you have his MSN?
20:39 <TaZ> I just posted it on my forums :P http://vcl-clan.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=762
20:39 <epsy> it almost sounds as if he had his first letter automatically capitalized
20:39 <z-man> Grr, DNS is broken, brb.
20:40 <luke-jr> epsy: u get it?
20:40 <epsy> I don't know yet; I have greylisting on that address :(
20:40 <ct|kyle> TaZ: not sure
20:41 <TaZ> ah
20:42 <z-man> grml, must be the router.
20:42 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ad1994b.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
20:42 <TaZ> wb
20:43 <PinkTomato> wb TaZ
20:44 <TaZ> :D
20:44 <Lucifer> z-man: fixed the camview, pushing in a minute
20:45 <Lucifer> I fixed it before I remembered to pull branch updates, heh
20:45 <epsy> luke-jr, blah, send it to my email from launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~epsy
20:48 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@bl5-18-1.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
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20:48 <z-man> Ah. Of course, now distcheck fails again. Joy :)
20:50 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: davefancella.com is down?
20:51 <PinkTomato> @title davefancella.com
20:51 <teabot> PinkTomato: Error: 'davefancella.com' is not a valid http url.
20:51 <PinkTomato> @title http://davefancella.com
20:51 <teabot> PinkTomato: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4096 bytes.
20:52 <epsy> @fetch http://davefancella.com
20:52 <Lucifer> wtf, is my internet off?
20:52 <teabot> epsy: '<html><body>It works!</body></html>\n'
20:52 <Lucifer> #ping
20:52 <@armabot> pong
20:52 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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20:52 <Flex> who wants to join my ladle team? (lizmatic can't join)
20:52 <epsy> so you're going solo again?
20:53 <Flex> lol
20:53 <Flex> no
20:53 <epsy> can we even hear a word of it?
20:53 <Flex> there was no such team
20:53 <Flex> is
20:53 <luke-jr> epsy: u liar
20:54 <Flex> how about two x teams, though?
20:54 <epsy> luke-jr, hm?
20:54 <epsy> Flex, we're only 12 aren't we?
20:54 <luke-jr> epsy: u do not live in Antarctica!
20:54 <epsy> I do!
20:54 <luke-jr> LIAR
20:55 <epsy> Flex, well, that's a round 16, but half are inactive
20:55 <luke-jr> Cat5e does not work across that distance!
20:55 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: all is well now, at least for the .package downloads.
20:56 <epsy> brb
20:56 <TaZ> Flex
20:56 <TaZ> Let me join
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/dodgeball-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
20:59 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: armagetron-dedicated still runs after window closure.
21:01 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it does if you have signal amplifiers installed
21:02 <Lizmatic> flex isnt going to let you join, taz
21:03  * Lizmatic JOINS!
21:03 <TaZ> I was kidding smart one.  I don't even play Fortress that well
21:03 <Lizmatic> btw sav, appa told me he chose us for his team for a reason.. or something
21:03 <Lizmatic> i'm curious to hear what that is :P
21:04 <Lucifer> finally
21:04 <Lucifer> man, bzr doesn't work very well when the network breaks after you start running it
21:07 <Lucifer> is anybody else having problems with the forums?
21:07 <BabyBug> define problems
21:07 <PinkTomato> forums load within a second here
21:08 <BabyBug> now i'm getting Internal Server Error
21:08 <Lucifer> when I post, I get a 500 Internal
21:08 <Lucifer> yeah, that
21:08 <Lucifer> guru3: ping
21:08 <BabyBug> when i clicked onto the second page of a thread..
21:09 <guru3> Lucifer: pong
21:09 <Lucifer> problems with the forums?
21:09  * PinkTomato is now suffering forum difficulties
21:09 <Lucifer> we're getting internal server errors
21:09 <guru3> not that i'm aware of
21:09 <Lucifer> are you fooling with the forums right now?
21:09 <guru3> no
21:09 <Lucifer> hmmmm
21:09 <PinkTomato> it happened like 4 minutes ago
21:09 <Lucifer> they're hosted on sourceforge now, right?  or is that just the main site?
21:09 <PinkTomato> it was fine
21:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8754 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am: Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make distcheck'.
21:10  * Lucifer thinks the root of all problems is sourceforge
21:10 <guru3> the mainsite and the forums are hosted on the same server
21:10 <Lizmatic> I get an error as well
21:10 <guru3> off of sourceforge
21:10 <PinkTomato> i have 404.
21:10 <PinkTomato> on trying to use an errordocument
21:10 <Lucifer> we just have bad release karma, we always have a problem when we're having a release, but never when we're not
21:10 <PinkTomato> forum loaded :S
21:11 <PinkTomato> it's not everytime
21:11 <Lucifer> happens to me whenever I post
21:11 <guru3> something's cocked up with the mailserver
21:11 -!- TaZ [i=4aeb0b6d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-751e39b4a5df7ea8] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"]
21:12 <guru3> causing too many processes to run
21:12 <Lucifer> ah, email notifications ;)
21:12 <guru3> i'll go find out what's happening now
21:12 <guru3> in the meantime
21:12 <guru3> stop posting shit
21:15 <Lucifer> er, oops
21:15  * Lucifer just posted again
21:22 <Lucifer> heh, why hasn't teabot told us about my newest commits?  :/
21:23 <epsy> on what branch?
21:24 <epsy> or rather, what revision numbers?
21:25 <Lucifer> 0.3.1
21:25 <Lucifer> wait, did it say something while I was timing out a little while ago?
21:25 <epsy> r754 ?
21:25 <guru3> i've put in a support ticket
21:25 <guru3> it seems they've screwed up the mail server
21:26 <Lizmatic> epsy: puuqui posted about the language thing on like 5 different arma forums............
21:26 <guru3> which is causing postdrop and sendmail proceeses to queue up, spanwed by php's mail fucntion
21:26 <Lucifer> I was actually concerned about r753, I just did r754
21:26 <epsy> Lizmatic, and you didn't even listen to me
21:26 <guru3> that hits a process limit, which causes php.cgi to be killed sometimes in the middle of processing your requests
21:26 <z-man> yay, distcheck works again.
21:26 <Lizmatic> epsy: about?
21:26 <Lucifer> z-man: I'm loving bzr right now :)
21:27 <epsy> [22:30] <Lizmatic>: you're just scared of the racist witch hunters, thats fine
21:27 <epsy> [22:31] <epsy>: until now your error is human and acceptable..do not run off the borders, please
21:27 <epsy> [22:36] <epsy>: do you understand the guideline now?
21:27 <epsy> [22:42] <epsy>: Lizmatic: ping
21:27 <epsy> [23:55] <epsy>: Lizmatic...
21:27 <epsy> [23:55] <epsy>: It has been one hour since I asked you. Please answer NOW.
21:27 <z-man> Understandable :)
21:27  * Lucifer considers testing autopackage building again, now that he's merged epsy's version stuff
21:27 <Lizmatic> lloll
21:27 <Lucifer> ooo, epsy, spammer!
21:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, cockpit fixed yet? :P
21:28 <Lucifer> BabyBug: afaik, PinkTomato (hi there!) told me it was working fine for him
21:28 <epsy> can you also link your 5 different forums?
21:28 <Lucifer> what's it doing wrong for you?
21:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Oh..it's erm...just not loading...
21:28 <BabyBug> Same as the first time
21:28 <BabyBug> no cockpit..with that 404 thingy
21:29 <Lucifer> hmmm, so I need to rebuild and test again and make sur ethe problem stayed fixed
21:29 <PinkTomato> same here, sorry, i didn't make clear, tested dedicated
21:29 <epsy> P4, why not also @x/member ?
21:30 <Lucifer> ok, starting another autopackage build
21:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: what was the link for standard? All Beta Testign posts are unaccessiable,
21:30 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r758 Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed server compilation.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed more warnings.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed unused
21:30  * P4 ?
21:31 <PinkTomato> oh OK, I'll wait for the new build
21:31 <epsy> http://crazy-tronners.com/p4/commands.php
21:31 <Flex> PinkTomato, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Cockpits_list#Essential_Remix check that out!
21:31 <PinkTomato> lol, that is minimal flex  xD
21:31 <Lucifer> z-man: it doesn't look like bzr preserves branch history information when it's merged
21:32 <Flex> perfect
21:32 <P4> epsy: what do you mean?
21:32 <Lucifer> so luke-jr's concern is there, there won't be a history stored in svn of the 0.3.1 branch
21:32 <epsy> P4, for your 'xers' command
21:32 <PinkTomato> I think circular bars around you and everyone would be sweet
21:32 <P4> yes, i have to add looking within the authenticated
21:32 <Lucifer> you don't think they'd look too much like pretentious halos?
21:33 <PinkTomato> hmm... maybe :D
21:33 <PinkTomato> Loads of games do that anyway I guess :)
21:34 <PinkTomato> Oh, wrtl's cockpit does that, just remebered, except not halos, straight lines
21:34 <Flex> yeah
21:34 <PinkTomato> I use that cockpit generally :)
21:34 <Flex> i tried that.. but couldn't add it for some reason, then i gave up for fps issues
21:35 <Lucifer> does what?
21:35 <epsy> heh yeah, it would be neat if you could put stuff on the floor
21:35 <PinkTomato> Ooo, I wonder how well a beat would work
21:35 <PinkTomato> like, it would beat strongly when rubber is nearly out
21:36 <Flex> hmm, how would the beat look like? a circle hud that increases in size is possible.. i think
21:36  * Lucifer wants the cockpit to put bubbles in the air with player name and speed and then draw a line to the cycle it's referring to
21:36 <Lucifer> (and only do it for cycles that are real close)
21:36 <PinkTomato> hehe Lucifer :)
21:36 <Lucifer> ping too, that should be in the bubble
21:37 <Flex> interesting
21:37 <PinkTomato> is that possible in the XML?
21:37 <PinkTomato> (current state)
21:37 <Lucifer> no
21:38 <PinkTomato> wrtl's does something similar though?
21:38 <Flex> it's pretty much exactly like wrtlprnft bar, but with speed
21:38 <Lucifer> ?
21:38 <Flex> the other stuff, don't think it's possible
21:38 <Lucifer> maybe he has added something like that and I just don't know about it?  ;)
21:38  * Lucifer hasn't been keeping up with developments in awhile
21:38 <PinkTomato> I think it works on all cycles
21:38 <PinkTomato> not just the close ones,
21:38 <PinkTomato> so I think you would want to add distance,
21:40 <Flex> anyway, i'll stick with my minimalistic cockpit, thanks! who cares about those info
21:40 <Lizmatic> I glanced at the screen and thought you said mini cock
21:42 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/oatmeal.png
21:42 <PinkTomato> looks like that lucifer
21:42 <Lucifer> oh, I think I vaguely remember him saying he was fooling with that
21:43  * Lucifer thinks the cockpit is the most advanced code in the project right now, heh
21:43 <PinkTomato> I think I'll look into it myself actually :)
21:43 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Then add more complicated code and add multiple floors to arma!
21:44 <PinkTomato> use one map, have three areas, locked out. Use teleport someone made. Isn't that the same function?
21:44 <Flex> i tried to add that, i never managed it to work, i think it was because of my dtd or version (z-man's 2006 release of 3.0.0 or something)
21:45 <PinkTomato> Wrtl added a new windows build, might work in that if you use windows
21:46 <Flex> yeah, it worked on that. i think
21:46 <Lucifer> is teleport in zones v2?
21:47 <epsy> probably not
21:47 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: do you happen to know if he built it off 0.3.1 or trunk?
21:47 <Lucifer> well, philippe's plan for supporting multiple areas was to use a teleport mechanism
21:47 <PinkTomato> The windows build? afaik, it is the trunk r8697(if memory is right)
21:48 <PinkTomato> or 8967 if that makes more sense
21:48 <PinkTomato> is zones v2 complete?
21:49 <Lucifer> oh, he's building out of svn then
21:49 <Lucifer> zones v2 is complete and in 0.3.1
21:50 <PinkTomato> I tried using the long long example on the wiki, didn't seem to have it
21:50 <@armabot> 0.3.1: dave@davefancella.com r754: Merged from trunk || dave@davefancella.com r753: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview. || dave@davefancella.com r752: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview.
21:50 <Lucifer> hmmm, I could be wrong about it, it may only be partially complete
21:51 <PinkTomato> well the example on the wiki is annyoying, it says this is the code: and then says this is what you need to change to make it work:
21:51 <epsy> @help 0.3.1
21:51 <teabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "0.3.1".
21:52 <PinkTomato> @aawikis zones v2
21:52 <epsy> #help 0.3.1
21:52 <@armabot> epsy: (0.3.1 [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for 0.3.1 at the RSS feed <http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
21:52 <teabot> PinkTomato: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Zones_v2 - Zones v2 - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
21:53 <epsy> I could move armacommits&co to armabot as well
21:54 <Lucifer> epsy: it would be nice to have only one bot reporting this stuff ;)
21:54 <Lucifer> it looks like they're both more or less in sync with what they say
21:54 <epsy> well, it will still report it twice for branches that are synced
21:55 <P4> #si wild sumo
21:55 <@armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Sumo: Players (5/10): ( (P4@ct), ~|DS|~G5, ~|DS|~|Alien|~ (alien@ct), ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ~|DS|~|Hype|~
21:55 <P4> i need respawner! :þ
21:55 <epsy> respawn?
21:55 <P4> come to my team quick! :D
21:55 <P4> `round beggins soon
21:56 <P4> damn, they all left…
21:58 <epsy> @announce
21:58 <teabot> epsy: armacommits, xclanaarepo, armablah, vectroncommits, armaannounce, and tstnews
21:58 <epsy> #announce
21:58 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:58 <epsy> #rss announce
21:58 <@armabot> epsy: sty+ct, 0.3.1, fts_feedback, lpbugs, and sty
21:59 <epsy> #rss announce armacommits armaannounce armablah
21:59 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
21:59 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron !!!!! - Game Podunk || I’m Not Going To Stumble On About Idealism « Play Fortress || Armagetron || Registration is now open « Blog Archive « TST » Team Sumo Tournament || the next level « Play Fortress || Twenty-Oh-Eight, the Fortress Year in Review « Play Fortress || Halfbakery: Protron || Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem || 12.08 club-ubuntu WAN party « a psychopath and a p
21:59 <epsy> @rss announce --remove armacommits armaannounce armablah
21:59 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r758 Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r757 Automatic merging of commits that would change history order... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 F
21:59 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
21:59 <epsy> guess sty+ct and 0.3.1 feeds are now obsolete
21:59 <epsy> @sty+ct
22:00 <epsy> #sty+ct
22:00 <@armabot> epsy: kyle r648: Adding ADMIN_COMMAND to LadderLog || kyle r647: Adding INVALID_COMMAND to ladderlog || kyle r646: Adding the following Shooting deaths; DEATH_SHOT_FRAG, DEATH_SHOT_SUICIDE, and DEATH_SHOT_TEAMKILL to ladderlog || voodoo r645: add SET_PLAYER_TEAM || Ed Amos r644: voodoo's suggested fix to stop players being selected by their user id. caused problems if a player was named "8" or (5 more messages)
22:00 <epsy> #rss announce --remove sty+ct 0.3.1 sty
22:00 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
22:01 <epsy> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/pqm/trunk
22:01 <epsy> that's some..clean branch
22:02 <epsy> #list bugtracker
22:02 <@armabot> epsy: Error: 'bugtracker' is not a valid plugin.
22:02 <epsy> @tea
22:02 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:02 <epsy> anyone?
22:03 <epsy> or team sumo also
22:03 <luke-jr> LP is insane
22:03 <luke-jr> how the heck do you add a team?
22:04 <epsy> registereing stuff is always complicated on it, heh
22:04 <luke-jr> I can't find a link!
22:04 <epsy> from the homepage
22:04 <luke-jr> speaking of which, is it possible to give commit access to a repository without a team?
22:04 <epsy> under "Start here"
22:04 <epsy> to a repository?
22:05 <luke-jr> yeah
22:05 <luke-jr> like in my +junk
22:05 <epsy> you can't give commit access to anyone else as yourself in your +junk
22:05 <PinkTomato> zones v2 errors for test file on wiki: http://pastebin.com/d473c065e
22:05 <epsy> and well, that's a branch
22:06 <epsy> and yes, you can, just put it under your "home folder"
22:06 <Lucifer> that pqg looks very interesting
22:06 <epsy> Lucifer, lp:~you/project/branchname
22:06 <epsy> luke-jr,
22:06 <epsy> Lucifer, pqm ?
22:06 <luke-jr> epsy: wtf?
22:06 <Lucifer> yeah, that
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22:06 <Lucifer> luke-jr: anybody can register a branch for the project
22:06 <epsy> the software or the branch? hehe
22:07 <luke-jr> yeah
22:07 <luke-jr> but I mean like havign a central branch
22:07 <epsy> you can still go under your project, click code and click register a branch
22:07 <epsy> it will guide you
22:08 <epsy> (you aren't forced to register a branch before pushing to it, btw)
22:08 <Lucifer> isn't "central branch" a bit of an oxymoron?
22:08 <epsy> :)
22:08 <epsy> Lucifer, call it release branch
22:09 <epsy> a bit like pqm's trunk
22:09 <epsy> (which I am considering for my possibly upcoming arma repo)
22:11 <epsy> @tea
22:11 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:11 <epsy> brmpf
22:11 <epsy> nex
22:13 <Lucifer> oops, I just accidentally deleted the autopackages I'd built, haha
22:14 <PinkTomato> undelete!
22:15 <z-man> Lucifer: You're wrong, I'm quite sure. You can still recover every individual revision from the merged branch.
22:15 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: the ones on my webserver
22:16 <PinkTomato> ah
22:16 <Lucifer> I guess I'll stop the currently building ones, up the alpha number, and build two new ones
22:16 <PinkTomato> you need copies of the old ones though?
22:17 <Lucifer> z-man: I hope not.  luke-jr was offering to hand-sync the bzr branch to svn, and I can't think of a more entertaining way to waste his time than that
22:17 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: nah, I'll just throw up a new alpha in an hour or so
22:17 <z-man> I also can't think of a more sure-fire way to mess our repository up.
22:17 <luke-jr> z-man: not that I can tell
22:18 <Lucifer> well, he'd be syncing it to some new place, not to the trunk
22:18 <Lucifer> z-man: hey, have you seen this pqm project epsy just linked us to?
22:20 <Lucifer> checking CXXFLAGS for gcc -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway... -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway
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22:23 <z-man> pqm?
22:23 <z-man> oh, come on, why does everybody notice that test?
22:24 <z-man> Also, I really checked. Do a bzr log --show-ids. Pick one revision ID.
22:24 <z-man> Then, to bzr pull --overwrite -r revid:<that ID>.
22:25 <z-man> And you'll get the exact state of the source tree at the time of committing that revision.
22:25 <Lucifer> z-man: everybody notices that test because it's really long in the configure output :)
22:27 <Lucifer> why do I keep getting random build failures?  :/
22:27 <epsy> Lucifer, what's with it btw?
22:28 <Lucifer> epsy: I had it fail on the particle library
22:28 <Lucifer> while building the server
22:28 <Lucifer> it hasn't failed on that in a long time
22:29 <Lucifer> tar: armagetronad-armagetronad_alpha_z806_20090106/src/thirdparty/particles/ParticleDLL/ParticleState.cpp: file name is too long (max 99); not dumped
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22:29 <Lucifer> um, why is the tarball being named that?
22:29 <Lucifer> it's supposed to be 0.3.1_alpha2
22:29 <Lucifer> epsy: WHAT DID YOU DO TO IT???
22:29 <Lucifer> ;)
22:32 <z-man> somebody changed minor_version :)
22:32 <z-man> also, that tar error isn't to worry about, I think. Unless it stops there.
22:33 <Lucifer> yes, ti stops there
22:33 <z-man> odd, it never did for me.
22:33 <Lucifer> I changed minor version to .1_alpha2
22:34 <Lucifer> ok, so how am I supposed to configure the version with epsy's new version stuff?
22:34  * Lucifer had a feeling he shouldn't have merged from the trunk
22:35 <luke-jr> XD
22:35 <z-man> Anyway, back to revision history. How is it not saved?
22:35 <z-man> (it's not fully mirrored to svn. Sure. That bit I understand.)
22:35 <luke-jr> z-man: afaik, the merge back to trunk will be a single commit
22:35 <Lucifer> epsy: ping pong
22:36 <z-man> only in svn, and only if it's a single merge.
22:36 <z-man> We can do as many merges as we want.
22:36 <Lucifer> epsy: I have to run off for a bit, please read your backbuffer.  ;)  make distcheck fails because a file can't get put in because it's too long
22:36 <Lucifer> epsy: I need to be able to set the version number, how do I do that with your new version numbering script?
22:37 <Lucifer> that merge issue doesn't just exist for 0.3.1, though
22:37 <Lucifer> I'm going to branch in a bit when I'm ready for sound engine work, and I'm not going to merge back to the trunk until it's finished(tm)
22:38  * Lucifer still isn't worried about it, but would prefer to have the history from svn moved to bzr somehow
22:38  * Lucifer is ready to give up svn, we've tested bzr a lot.  ;)
22:38 <z-man> the other way round, certainly?
22:39 <Lucifer> z-man: no, I mean moving svn history to bzr so we can have our history all in bzr and stop using svn entirely, complete migration
22:39 <Lucifer> completely disowning sourceforge's svn services
22:40 <z-man> Ah, that may be a tad difficult. Impossible even if you want all merges to appear like bzr merges.
22:40 <luke-jr> afaik, svn≥bzr is lossy
22:40 <luke-jr> bzr does not track copies
22:40 <z-man> And svn does not track merges.
22:40 <Lucifer> svn doesn't really do copies, it deletes the file and adds it
22:40 <luke-jr> …
22:40 <luke-jr> svn does do copies
22:41 <Lucifer> we can always wave our hands and say "if you want to know about history before this point, go here"
22:41 <z-man> it doesn't do moves :)
22:41 <Lucifer> which, I guess, it what we're saying
22:41 <Lucifer> oh right, moves, heh
22:41  * Lucifer has to run, bbiab
22:42 <luke-jr> bzr-svn should gain these things over time I think
22:42 <z-man> Well, unlikely. bzr's and svn's feature sets just don't overlap completely.
22:43 <z-man> bzr-svn is doing stuff that's close to magic with the parts that do overlap, but it can't get merges over from svn to bzr for lack of metainformation
22:44 <z-man> I'm leaning towards saying what lucifer said: bzr history starts at point X. svn history stops at point Y > X. If you want anything before X, check SVN. If you want anything after Y, check bzr.
22:45 <z-man> We can get the complete history into bzr if we restart the trunk branch
22:45 <z-man> and if you manage to do some magic to get the bump at point X away that made bzr-svn think our history started there.
22:46 <z-man> (It was philipe deleting EVERYTHING and then copying EVERYTHING to . from one revision ago)
22:46 <z-man> But still, history won't be in one bzr branch like it would be if we had used bzr right from the start.
22:47 <z-man> we'd still have to tell people they have to fetch all the detailed stuff happening in 0.2.8 from the 0.2.8 branch.
22:47 <z-man> (or svn)
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22:58 <Lucifer> grrr
22:58 <PinkTomato> ?
22:59 <Lucifer> wait a minute, did epsy add the bzr stuff?  is that what he did to the version script?
23:02 <Lucifer> z-man: just curious, but what was the rational behind having the major_version and minor_version files in the first place?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: would there theorethically be a way to “backport” 0.3.1 to a svn branch so you could do 0.3.1→trunk merges from both RCS'?
23:03 <z-man> Lucifer: yes, he added the bzr stuff.
23:04 <z-man> And the rationale about the files was that the version was built from them so it didn't have to get hacked into the relevant files.
23:04 <Lucifer> ok, it looks like one of the problems with the naming I'm having is that the directory I have it in isn't named as he expected it to be in the script
23:04 <z-man> The files predate our move to automake.
23:04 <Lucifer> well, I'm wondering why that instead of a single file that gets loaded with the . operator
23:04 <z-man> There was no particular reason for that.
23:04 <Lucifer> right, I remember you wanting to keep those files during that move to keep compatible with a stable branch at the time
23:05 <Lucifer> so, do we have to keep using them now?  ;)
23:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: we're not doing that because merges from both rcses don't mix.
23:05 <z-man> Lucifer: no :)
23:05 <wrtlprnft> that's why i said theorethically
23:05 <z-man> They don't mix even theoretically :)
23:06 <Lucifer> bzr is an antiproton
23:06 <Lucifer> or it mixes antiprotons into its merges, something like that
23:06 <z-man> Lucifer: that is, major_verstion probably needs to stay, or how would we know a build from the trunk should be called?
23:07 <z-man> What we can do is get 0.3.1 into svn and still do all merges in bzr. That would work.
23:07 <Lucifer> I was thinking of pulling the variables listed out of the version script and sticking them into a config file and considering making it so configure can write that file
23:07 <wrtlprnft> grml, i'll have to figure out how to do bzr windows builds anyways
23:07 <Lucifer> z-man: I'm only willing to do *that* if we left it as a chore for luke-jr.  ;)
23:07 <wrtlprnft> i liked tortoise?v?, though
23:08 <z-man> Yeah, there's not really such a thing for bzr.
23:08  * z-man anticipates a "why do you hate windows" thread for that any point
23:08 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: hey, can you, whenever you start that, after you run makedist.bat, can you zip up the directories it makes and put them where I can download it?
23:09 <Lucifer> there's a tortoiseBzr, isn't there?
23:09 <z-man> oh, indeed.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> what directories does it make? any besides dist/?
23:09 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: the batch files still don't run in wine's cmd interpreter
23:09 <Lucifer> I don't know
23:09 <Lucifer> I'm tempted to rewrite the batch files in python, except for python.bat of course
23:10 <wrtlprnft> great
23:10 <Lucifer> but first I need to figure out why epsy's bzr stuff doesn't work for me ;)
23:10 <wrtlprnft> to download tortoisebzr you need a working bzr client.
23:10 <z-man> heh :)
23:10 <Lucifer> there's two commandline clients available, one that appears to use py2exe to build and one that installs into python
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23:11 <wrtlprnft> errm, what's so complicated about our bat scripts?
23:11 <Lucifer> nothing, they just don't run in wine's command interpreter
23:11 <Lucifer> they cause a segfault, it's not the fault of the bat scripts, it's the fault of wine
23:11 <wrtlprnft> is it really that bad?
23:11 <Lucifer> well, yes and no, I want to build the game in wine
23:12 <Lucifer> I haven't determined how hard I'm willing to work to do it, so don't put yourself out on my account :)
23:12 <z-man> Umm, by the way, there's another problem with epsy's extensions:
23:12 <z-man> they don't produce proper source tarballs.
23:12 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i haven't got any open windows right now (it's night after all), but i'll do it tomorrow
23:13 <z-man> Well, they do, but the tarball won't build into anything with a correct version.
23:13 <Lucifer> heh
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23:13 <Lucifer> I'm getting a tarball with the name armagetronad-armagetronad_alpha_zSOMENUMBERS
23:13 <wrtlprnft> stupid releases RCS clients and build system should be mandatory for everyone!
23:14 <wrtlprnft> s/releases/releases!/
23:15 <Lucifer> is epsy trying to encode the revision number into the version?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> like we haven't got enough version number digits already
23:17 <Lucifer> hey, we should switch to binary versions
23:17 <Lucifer> so our next release would be 0.11.10
23:17 <Lucifer> which is read aloud as "oh point three point two", of course
23:18  * Lucifer hates shell scripts
23:18 <wrtlprnft> no, please do floating point versions represented as binary
23:18 <Lucifer> any objections to me rewriting all of our shell scripts as python scripts?  ;)
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23:19 <Lucifer> but, version numbers are just integers chained together with periods so they look like floats, but aren't really....
23:19 <wrtlprnft> that way we can have as many leading zeroes as we could conceivably want without any additional overhead
23:19 <Lucifer> why don't we just use, say, 3 16-bit binary numbers and chain them together with a byte that contains the ASCII code for the period?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> bah, like we had the resources to get any two-digit number between any two dots
23:20 <Lucifer> the universe would implode when luke-jr and I started arguing that issue
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: right now you can build a usable version of arma on windows without python
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23:20 <wrtlprnft> it just has to download stuff from the central resource repo on first start
23:20 <Lucifer> well, I want to get all the way to where I can build a distribution with wine
23:21 <Lucifer> and would prefer not to get sidetracked dealing with batch files that don't necessarily have to be batch files
23:21 <Lucifer> or could be supplemented with shell scripts, or whatever
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i've got python, i don't care
23:22  * wrtlprnft still wants to have arma running on cmake one day
23:22 <Lucifer> heh, knock yourself out :)
23:22 <wrtlprnft> probably wouldn't even be too hard if you just dod basic runnable builds
23:22 <Lucifer> I'll support just about any effort to get us the hell off automake right now, but that's probably not a rational position for me to take
23:23 <Lucifer> I got to runnable builds with scons, where I snagged was in installing, uninstalling, and building distributions
23:23 <wrtlprnft> especially since automake is used by only one of the three platforms we support right now
23:23 <Lucifer> we get that stuff for free with automake :/
23:23 <Lucifer> oh yeah, we're in the same place with this, wrtlprnft (hi there!) , just you prefer cmake and I prefer scons, but I'll be happy to work with cmake ;)
23:24 <epsy> as long as we can add a file without summonning 3 other devs..
23:24 <wrtlprnft> hehe
23:24 <epsy> Lucifer, I'm on it
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, you could in theory edit the windows project, it's not all that hard
23:24 <epsy> copy src/tTrueVersion.h to src/tFakeVersion.h
23:24 <Lucifer> epsy: so I can quit trying to decipher this thing they call a language but really isn't?  (bash)
23:24 <wrtlprnft> it's a prettyprinted XML file
23:25 <epsy> and edit the values in there
23:25 <epsy> while I test if it actually works
23:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: i have the same feeling with french
23:25 <wrtlprnft> (don't read my last line epsy)
23:25 <Lucifer> heh, now that you mention it, french and bash look very similar
23:25 <epsy> do not bomb me!
23:25 <Lucifer> or is the just an impression because I'm reading bash written by epsy?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> i only complained about the hardness of your language is all
23:26 <epsy> Lucifer, what's so difficult about it?
23:26  * wrtlprnft thinks it's way more difficult to learn than english
23:26 <Lucifer> it's not difficult, it's just largely nonsensical (bash)
23:26 <epsy> bash, not french
23:27 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:27 <Lucifer> it's very much like french in that the most letters are used to express the least amount of thought,
23:27 <Lucifer> while great big thoughts are expressed with a very few letters
23:27 <Lucifer> compare:
23:27 <Lucifer> if test "$tagtype" = Tv;
23:27 <Lucifer> DATE=`echo $tag | sed -e "s,\...\...\...\$,," | sed -e "s,\.,,g"`
23:28 <epsy> I wished I had a bzr metadata or smth function..
23:28 <wrtlprnft> i think the way too many diffent kinds of brackets and their meanings are confusing, although python people are probably used to that
23:28 <epsy> I personally hate parsing stdout..
23:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: to protect bash, there's just very little of it in there
23:29 <Lucifer> ?  are we about to have a philosophical discussion on what constitutes the "bash language"?  ;)
23:29 <wrtlprnft> you can do a surprising amount of stuff in bash without invoking external commands like sed
23:29 <wrtlprnft> even write a web server
23:30 <wrtlprnft> (though it gets more efficient if it contains a single call to netcat)
23:30 <Lucifer> while that's technically true, keep in mind a lot of bash builtins started life as external commands
23:30 <wrtlprnft> most of the stuff one keeps using cat and sed and echo for can done within bash
23:30 <Lucifer> that is true
23:30 <wrtlprnft> err, print i mean
23:31 <Lucifer> in fact, I had a script several years ago that used a lot of sed, and when I removed the sed calls and replaced with bash builtins, it sped up quite a bit
23:31 <wrtlprnft> for example, bash has an (admittedly weird) syntax for replacements that make sed mostly obsolete
23:31 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac - Demo ...
23:31 <Lucifer> for what most people use sed for
23:31 <Lucifer> remembering, of course, that sed is intended to operate on files :)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
23:32 <Lucifer> so using it to do replacements in variables by chaining together with pipes is kinda bad
23:32 <wrtlprnft> but 99% of the time it gets called with a single line as stdin
23:32 <Lucifer> and is captured as the value of a variable, or stuck in a single line file to be used later ;)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> just saying that it's not bash's fault that people use sed for everything
23:33 <Lucifer> agreeing, completely :)
23:33 <wrtlprnft> anyways
23:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:33 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:33 <Lucifer> although, too much reliance on bash means scripts that don't run in certain other shells
23:33 <Lucifer> heh, 'night
23:33 <wrtlprnft> (we'd better stop at the point where we agree)
23:34 <Lucifer> :)
23:41 <epsy> now wtf is this nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway thing?
23:42 <epsy> right, that seems to work
23:44 <epsy> Lucifer, pushed to trunk
23:45 <epsy> blah, typo
23:45 <epsy> too late I guess
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23:49 <K-Yo> I do read it!
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23:54 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8755 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): epsy: allow creating src/tFakeVersion.h to override automatic version lable creating
23:55 <z-man> Lucifer: the tar problem is that automake passes the -o option to tar.
23:55 <z-man> which creates an old archive with limitations.
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23:58 <z-man> Apparently, one can change that.

Log from 2009-01-07:
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00:04 <nsh22> hey
00:04 <nsh22> anybody here?
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00:09  * nsh22 slaps nsh22 around a bit with a large trout
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00:11 <nsh22> #weather
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
00:11 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 28.0°F (6:11 PM EST on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 28.88 in 977.9 hPa (Falling).
00:11 <nsh22> #g 24.8F to C
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: 24.8 degrees Fahrenheit = -4 degrees Celsius
00:11 <nsh22> #g 28F to C
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: 28 degrees Fahrenheit = -2.22222222 degrees Celsius
00:12 <nsh22> cest tres froid
00:12 <nsh22> #forecast
00:12 <nsh22> #weather pakistan
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather kandahar
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Kandahar, Afghanistan is 35.6°F (2:25 AM AFT on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancouver
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancouver
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancover
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:14 <nsh22> #weather victoria
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:14 <nsh22> #weather winnipeg
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Winnipeg, Manitoba is -0.4°F (5:00 PM CST on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -7.6°F. Windchill: -16.6°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
00:14 <nsh22> brrrr
00:14 <nsh22> #g -0.4f in c
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: (-0.4) degrees Fahrenheit = -18 degrees Celsius
00:14 <nsh22> #g -16.6f in c
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: (-16.6) degrees Fahrenheit = -27 degrees Celsius
00:15 <nsh22> #g forecast
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:15 <nsh22> #g 7 x 7
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: 7 x 7 = 49
00:15 <nsh22> #g 8^1/2
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (8^1) / 2 = 4
00:15 <nsh22> #g 8^1/4
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (8^1) / 4 = 2
00:15 <nsh22> #g 9^1/4
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (9^1) / 4 = 2.25
00:16 <nsh22> #g 9^ 1/4
00:16 <@armabot> nsh22: (9^1) / 4 = 2.25
00:16 <nsh22> #g 9^(1/4)
00:16 <@armabot> nsh22: 9^(1 / 4) = 1.73205081
00:16  * z-man considers having spammy functions removed from armabot
00:16 <nsh22> lol sry
00:17 <nsh22> #help
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:17 <nsh22> #help g
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
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00:17 <nsh22> hey
00:18 <madmax> hi
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8756 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging from 0.3.1:
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos 2009-01-07 Softened limits on filename lenght in tarballs...
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Merged from trunk
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets...
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets...
00:39 <Lucifer> heh
00:39 <Lucifer> hmmmm
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00:41 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r760 Merging from 0.3.1:... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Softened limits on filename lenght in tarballs by moving to ... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r759 allow creating src/tFakeVersion.h to override automatic vers... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed bu
00:42 <nsh22> 0.o
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00:43 <nsh22> hey
00:43 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/DBall-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
00:43 <nsh22> lol @ ethan
00:43 <nsh22> wat a noob...
00:43 <PinkTomato> ethan?
00:44 <nsh22> codered
00:44 <nsh22> he is so annoying
00:44 <nsh22> brb
00:44 <nsh22> nvm, still here
00:46 <z-man> Lucifer: that should fix the tarball problem.
00:47 <z-man> I'm still working on getting the version info in builds FROM the resulting tarball right, epsy has done some preparation work there.
00:47 <z-man> All one needs to do is pack tFakeVersion.h into the tarball.
00:47 <z-man> However, I'm going to lose net anytime soon :)
00:48 <z-man> It's connected to the TV, and my mother in law is going to turn that off.
00:48 <z-man> So I don't know whether the fix will make it in today.
00:48 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/dodgeball2-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
00:48 <Lucifer> epsy said he'd finished the work, I thought
00:49 <nsh22> how is your net connected to a tv?
00:49 <Lucifer> nsh22: usually with a cable
00:49 <nsh22> oh, so the monitor is being displayed on the tv
00:50 <z-man> Well, right now, there's an error in make dist that gets swallowed
00:51 <Lucifer> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/dave/Projects/armagetronad/build/src/".
00:52 <Lucifer> several errors of that type
00:52 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
00:53 <Lucifer> I really hate waiting for email
00:53 <nsh22> hmmm i wonder how you integrate the settings into the map...
00:53 <Lucifer> nsh22: you don't
00:53 <Lucifer> you *can*, but you shouldn't
00:53 <nsh22> oh ok
00:54 <nsh22> i just saw the settings thing on the preview
00:54 <Lucifer> ah
00:54 <Lucifer> that's there to allow for things to be put in the map that currently exist as settings, that haven't yet been turned into map elements
00:55 <Lucifer> but there's serious potential for abuse
00:55 <nsh22> ill jsut put it in autoexec :P
00:55 <Lucifer> is it on a dedicated server?
00:56 <nsh22> ya
00:56 <nsh22> on a host you mean?
00:56 <Lucifer> ?
00:56 <nsh22> nvm
00:56 <Lucifer> no, I mean is it running the dedicated server software, or are you saying "Host Game" in the client
00:57 <nsh22> is there a way so that the server doesnt terminate connections if you input a wrong map_file?
00:57 <Lucifer> nope
00:57 <nsh22> ok
00:57 <Lucifer> generally speaking, there isn't a way to recover from that
00:57 <nsh22> ok, so i have to change it in the configs...
00:58 <Lucifer> now, some day, we'll have a new config system where we might be able to track previous config values and revert the map setting in that case
00:58 <nsh22> like a fail safe?
00:58 <Lucifer> yeah
00:58 <nsh22> ok
00:58 <Lucifer> but we don't have it now ;)
00:58 <nsh22> aw
00:58 <Lucifer> hey, patches welcome :)
00:58 <nsh22> so is 0.3 a pretty big change from 2.8?
00:58 <Lucifer> yes
00:58 <Lucifer> 0.3.1 even more so, when it comes out
00:58 <PinkTomato> what about server-side?
00:59 <Lucifer> (soon, epsy keeps breaking it, heh)
00:59 <nsh22> im not good with programming, i cant even complie the sty  patch
00:59 <nsh22> lol
00:59 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: what about server-side?
00:59 <Lucifer> oh, right, ummm
00:59 <Lucifer> 0.3.0 didn't change much on the server from the current 0.2.8 release when it came out
00:59 <Lucifer> 0.3.1 has lots of changes that are server-side as well
01:00 <nsh22> will it crash servers?
01:00 <PinkTomato> nsh22: what one?
01:00 <nsh22> liek as of now?
01:00 <nsh22> 0.3
01:00 <Lucifer> the rule is simple.  If you're worried about crashes, run the latest 0.2.8 version
01:00 <nsh22> ok
01:01 <Lucifer> all 0.3 releases are development releases, inherently unstable and released so they can be tested
01:01 <Lucifer> so there's a bit of a tradeoff
01:01 <nsh22> ok
01:01 <Lucifer> since the new features are in 0.3, you can decide whether you want to participate in the development process, or have stable software
01:01 <Lucifer> but you really can't choose both ;)
01:02 <Lucifer> actually you can, but you'd have to run multiple versions
01:02 <Lucifer> (some people run 0.2.8 servers for stability, and then keep up to date with the trunk so they can play with new features)
01:02 <nsh22> a fail safe setting shouldnt be too hard, just do INCLUDE failsafe.cfg if MAP_FILE does not exist
01:02 <nsh22> failsafe haviong a safe map_file
01:03 <nsh22> but that would be getting into the source programming now wouldnt it?
01:03 <Lucifer> there are plenty of logical solutions that can't be coded in the current config loading arch
01:03 <Lucifer> well, you are talking to a programmer ;)
01:03 <PinkTomato> A production server shouldn't be loading invalid map files anyway ;)
01:03 <Lucifer> also, there are issues with when the map file is actually parsed
01:04 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's true, but it's annoying to test your MAP_FILE setting when the server crashes if its wrong
01:04 <nsh22> ya it is 0.o im doing it right now
01:05 <PinkTomato> hmm, true. I think the map validator was ported to PHP
01:05 <nsh22> i have to go in, restart my server to load the new autoexec bbecause its stupid and wont do it itself
01:05 <nsh22> its the path i put in, i spelled sumthing wrong
01:06 <Lucifer> oh crap
01:06 <nsh22> i keep putting fortess instaed of fortress
01:06 <Lucifer> #quote add i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22
01:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.  Quote #85 added.
01:06 <nsh22> ?
01:06 <Lucifer> #quote get 85
01:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #85: "i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:06 AM, January 07, 2009)
01:06 <nsh22> what r u doing?
01:06 <PinkTomato> hehe
01:07 <Lucifer> oh yeah, be prepared to have some stupid thing you might say here added to our quote library so can laugh at it at our convenience
01:07 <ct|kyle> #quote get 69
01:07 <nsh22> oh ok
01:07 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Quote #69: "gentoo ebuild is as broken as luke-jr himself :D ~xfroggy" (added by ct|kyle at 06:23 PM, January 26, 2008)
01:07 <nsh22> i dont care about that
01:07 <nsh22> lol
01:07 <Lucifer> #q
01:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #67: "browser? like xp, vista, mac? stuff like that? cause i have a vista~Neutrino" (added by ct|kyle at 04:29 AM, December 27, 2007)
01:08 <nsh22> haha
01:08 <nsh22> wherer do u see all the ones saved?
01:08 <Lucifer> someone should give Neutrino a copy of emacs
01:08 <ct|kyle> heh
01:08 <Lucifer> you can't read them all on one page, but you are welcome to /msg armabot and read them one by one
01:08 <nsh22> oh ok
01:08 <Lucifer> right before the new year started, we went through trying to find all the 2008 quotes
01:08 <nsh22> ffs my server still wont load it...
01:08 <nsh22> lol
01:09 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8757 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Create tTrueVersion.h in build, not source directory.
01:09 <ct|kyle> you will have to do #quote get #armagetron 1....99
01:09 <PinkTomato> nsh22: stick it in a pastebin and I'll take a look
01:09 <nsh22> a what?
01:09  * PinkTomato points to topic :)
01:10 <nsh22> FFS i didnt capitalize something
01:10 <Lucifer> that's no surprise
01:10 -!- z-man [n=manuel@bl5-18-1.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8758 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Create source tarballs with tFakeVersion.h so the extended version info included in builds is correct.
01:10 <nsh22> for next release, dont make it case sensitive (i know its stupid to ask that)
01:11 <Lucifer> it has been my observation that people who abbreviate small words like "your" and "to" have great difficulty typing a working MAP_FILE argument
01:11 <Lucifer> it's not stupid to ask for that, it just isn't happening
01:11 <nsh22> i can usually type it right, cuz i usually dont use caps
01:11 <Lucifer> Linux has case sensitive file names, and we can't change that, we must support it
01:11 <nsh22> pft...linux lol
01:11 <nsh22> is tron based onlinux?
01:12 <Lucifer> 99.999% of the development is done in linux
01:12 <Lucifer> so pffft right back at you
01:12 <nsh22> ol ok
01:12 <PinkTomato> + like 50% of people here use it regularly if not more ;)
01:12 <BabyBug> 99.998%* Lucifer!
01:12 <nsh22> see, i know near nothing of programming and development
01:12 <Lucifer> that's obvious :)
01:12 <nsh22> ty
01:13 <PinkTomato> it's fun to try, just don't look at arma code when your stating out ;)
01:13 <K-Yo> blah
01:14 <nsh22> y not?
01:14 <Lucifer> please tell me make distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <Lucifer> nsh22: because you might go blind
01:14 <nsh22> lol
01:14 <K-Yo> lumake distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <K-Yo> Lucifer,  make distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <Lucifer> oh goodie!  Then I can get back to building autopackages :)
01:15 <K-Yo> Lucifer, whatever!
01:15 <PinkTomato> :(
01:15 <Lucifer> you know, for the 0.0000000001% of the world that uses linux
01:15 <nsh22> lol
01:16 <Lucifer> well, it worked, but it's still a screwy version thing epsy stuck me with
01:17 <nsh22> ok, now im mad
01:17 <Lucifer> man, epsy's version script doesn't work at all
01:18 <Lucifer> where's epsy when I want to bitch at him?  :(
01:18 <nsh22> i copied directly from the preview and it still died
01:18 <nsh22> lol
01:18 <Lucifer> maybe your setting is correct, but the map file itself is broken?
01:18 <K-Yo> nsh22, boo
01:18 <nsh22> i doubt it
01:19 <nsh22> nvm, i dont doubt it
01:19 <PinkTomato> nsh22: http://rafb.net/paste/ copy paste it in there, and pass the link.
01:19 <nsh22> i made it in armabell, change te resource system and all the resource info
01:19 <Lucifer> heh, armabell
01:19 <nsh22> u want me to paste the code in there?
01:19  * Lucifer considers starting work on acme again
01:20 <PinkTomato> the XML for the MAP_FILE
01:20 <nsh22> kk
01:20 <K-Yo> nsh22, quote from BabyBug " paste it in there"
01:20 <PinkTomato> what was ACME?
01:20 <nsh22> whats acme?
01:20 <BabyBug> K-Yo?
01:20 <K-Yo> BabyBug, oops, wrong name :P
01:20 <K-Yo> sry
01:20 <Lucifer> it's the Armagetron Advanced Resource Editor that I haven't worked on in a couple of years
01:20 <BabyBug> *slap* :P
01:21 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: was it complete :)?
01:21 <Lucifer> no :)
01:21 <nsh22> http://rafb.net/p/dBmWu973.html
01:21 <PinkTomato> hoop started a map editior too
01:21 <K-Yo> vectron
01:21 <Lucifer> I'll work on it again after 0.3.1 is out, I'll need it for the resource work I'll be doing then
01:21 <Lucifer> yeah, acme isn't just a map editor, it's for all resources
01:21 <nsh22> armabell has worked for e before. i dunno why its maessed up
01:21 <PinkTomato> Oh I see
01:22 <PinkTomato> I don't want to criticise armabell, as it's all we got.
01:22 <Lucifer> then allow me :)
01:22 <nsh22> lol
01:22 <nsh22> haha
01:23 <Lucifer> there was a previous version of acme that worked, but never got updated to the new map format
01:23 <Lucifer> had it been updated, armabell wouldn't have been needed
01:23 <nsh22> pink, did u look at the code?
01:23 <Lucifer> see, the thing with armabell is that it's closed source, so when it doesn't work, there ain't jack you can do about it
01:23 <nsh22> why cant you do anything? its just an xml
01:23 <Lucifer> the developer lost the code (one of the risks of keeping it to yourself!), so it *can't* be fixed anymore
01:24 <Lucifer> what's just an xml?
01:24 <K-Yo> data:image/svg+xml;base64,PD94bWwgdmVyc2lvbj0iMS4wIiBlbmNvZGluZz0iVVRGLTgiPz48IURPQ1RZUEUgc3ZnIFBVQkxJQyAiLS8vVzNDLy9EVEQgU1ZHIDEuMS8vRU4iICJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9yZy9HcmFwaGljcy9TVkcvMS4xL0RURC9zdmcxMS1iYXNpYy5kdGQiPjxzdmcgeG1sbnM9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cudzMub3JnLzIwMDAvc3ZnIiB2aWV3Qm94PSIzNjMgMjY3IDM2MiA1MzgiIHdpZHRoPSIxMjgwcHgiIGhlaWdodD0iNjEwcHgiPjxkZWZzPjxtYXJrZXIgaWQ9InNwYXduIiBtYXJrZXJXaWR0aD0iMzAiIG1hcmtlckhlaWdodD0iNDAiIHJlZlg9IjIiIHJlZlk9IjE1IiBvcmllbn
01:24 <Lucifer> what is "an xml"?
01:24 <K-Yo> Q9ImF1dG8iIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCA0MCAzMCI+PHBhdGggZD0iTSAtNSwwIC01LDIwIC0xNSwyMCAwLDQwIDE1LDIwIDUsMjAgNSwwIFoiIGZpbGw9InJlZCIgdHJhbnNmb3JtPSJ0cmFuc2xhdGUoMCwgMTUpIHJvdGF0ZSgtOTApIi8+PC9tYXJrZXI+PC9kZWZzPjxyZWN0IHg9IjM2MyIgeT0iMjY3IiB3aWR0aD0iMzYyIiBoZWlnaHQ9IjUzOCIgZmlsbD0id2hpdGUiLz48cG9seWxpbmUgcG9pbnRzPSIzNjgsMjcyIDM2OCw4MDAgNzIwLDgwMCA3MjAsMjcyIDM2OCwyNzIiIHN0cm9rZT0iYmxhY2siIHN0cm9rZS13aWR0aD0iMiIgZmlsbD0ibm9uZSIvPjxjaXJjbGUgcj0iNTAiIGN4PSI1NDQiIGN5PS
01:24 <K-Yo> I3MzYiIHN0cm9rZT0iI2ZmYTUwMCIgb3BhY2l0eT0iMSIgc3Ryb2tlLXdpZHRoPSIyIiBmaWxsPSJub25lIi8+PGNpcmNsZSByPSI1MCIgY3g9IjU0NCIgY3k9IjMzNiIgc3Ryb2tlPSIjZmZhNTAwIiBvcGFjaXR5PSIxIiBzdHJva2Utd2lkdGg9IjIiIGZpbGw9Im5vbmUiLz48cGF0aCBtYXJrZXItZW5kPSJ1cmwoI3NwYXduKSIgc3Ryb2tlLXdpZHRoPSIuNSIgc3Ryb2tlPSJyZWQiIGQ9Ik0gMCAwIDAgMSIgdHJhbnNmb3JtPSJ0cmFuc2xhdGUoNTQ0LCAzMzYpIHNjYWxlKDEsIC0xKSByb3RhdGUoLTkwKSBtYXRyaXgoMCwgLTEsIDEsIDAsIDAsIDApIi8+PHBhdGggbWFya2VyLWVuZD0idXJsKCNzcG
01:24 <K-Yo> F3bikiIHN0cm9rZS13aWR0aD0iLjUiIHN0cm9rZT0icmVkIiBkPSJNIDAgMCAwIDEiIHRyYW5zZm9ybT0idHJhbnNsYXRlKDU0NCwgNzM2KSBzY2FsZSgxLCAtMSkgcm90YXRlKC05MCkgbWF0cml4KDAsIDEsIC0xLCAwLCAwLCAwKSIvPjwvc3ZnPg==
01:24 <PinkTomato> yeah :(.
01:24 <K-Yo> oops
01:24 <K-Yo> that's the map previex
01:24 <Lucifer> #kick K-yo wrong window
01:24 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "wrong window"]
01:24 <nsh22> the file made by armaell to make the maps
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01:24 <Lucifer> I'm talking about armabell itself, not its output
01:24 <K-Yo> Lucifer, no, right one
01:24 <nsh22> oh ok
01:25 <PinkTomato> nsh22: I'm looking now
01:25 <Lucifer> sorry K-yo, I was already in motion when you spoke up, couldn't abort
01:25 <Lucifer> but in the future, please use a pastebin for that sort of big paste :)
01:25 <nsh22> what is it?
01:25 <K-Yo> Lucifer, hahaha, np
01:25 <PinkTomato> its an image
01:25 <nsh22> oh
01:26 <K-Yo> Lucifer, it was in the adress bar, I thoug it'd be shorter
01:26 <K-Yo> nsh22, the preview of you map
01:26 <K-Yo> (who is working)
01:26 <nsh22> oh
01:26 <nsh22> do u guys want the link to the preview?
01:26 <Lucifer> no, we want to read error messages
01:26 <K-Yo> "want"
01:26 <Lucifer> if we can't read your error messages, we can't help you
01:27 <nsh22> ok
01:27 <Lucifer> we want to read all of them, IN A PASTEBIN
01:27 <nsh22> the error message was 404:the file cannot be found
01:27 <K-Yo> nsh22, woot
01:27 <nsh22> ill go check the logs
01:27 <K-Yo> nsh22, is it in the aa resource repository?
01:27 <nsh22> yes
01:28 <nsh22> under neal/fort
01:28 <K-Yo> #last --from=armabot --with=neal
01:28 <@armabot> K-Yo: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
01:29 <PinkTomato> only problem you have there is that the category is Fortress, so needs to be in the Fortress folder?
01:29 <K-Yo> author="neal" category="Fortress"
01:29 <K-Yo> yes
01:29 <nsh22> it is, oops, i just realized i abreviated it in here
01:29 <nsh22> <Resource type="aamap" name="Fortress" version="1.0.0" author="neal" category="Fortress">
01:30 <Lucifer> so....
01:30 <Lucifer> neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml  ?
01:30 <nsh22> ya
01:30  * Lucifer points out we still haven't read any actual error messages, we've only been told what the error is
01:31 <PinkTomato> thats because there is no error
01:32 <Lucifer> ?  he said there's a 404 error and the map isn't loading
01:32 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:32 <Lucifer> and the server keeps crashing
01:32 <PinkTomato> loads here
01:32 <nsh22> im getting the logs...
01:32 <K-Yo> nsh22, you did not change the resource adress?
01:32 <K-Yo> .cfg2 resource
01:33 <K-Yo> #cfg resource
01:33 <@armabot> K-Yo: RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER: URI clients and the server use to search for map files if they aren't stored locally (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
01:33 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: indeed, the reason we want to read error messages is so we can see what he actually put in for the address :)
01:33 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d518dabb7
01:33 <K-Yo> cycle_BRAKE
01:33 <K-Yo> not brakes
01:33 <K-Yo> same for deplete
01:33 <nsh22> ok, but that wouldnt cause it to crash
01:33 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE  neal/Fortress/Fortress.1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:33 <nsh22> i realised that when i saw it
01:34 <Lucifer> ah, PinkTomato (hi there!) beat me to it
01:34 <Lucifer> wtf is with all the brake messages?
01:34 <PinkTomato> you were close, at least it wasn't the wrong case. MAP_FILE neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml. note the - between the name and version :)
01:34 <nsh22> fik, is it that one .
01:34 <nsh22> the "-"?
01:35 <PinkTomato> that's all it was
01:35 <K-Yo> yep
01:35 <K-Yo> http://master.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:35 <K-Yo> well
01:35 <nsh22> ive uploaded other maps with the- and it didnt crash
01:35 <K-Yo> time to sleep for me
01:36 <K-Yo> later ;)
01:36 <PinkTomato> later :)
01:36 <nsh22> later :)
01:36 <Lucifer> no, you're MISSING the -
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01:36 <Lucifer> you have a . in place of the -
01:36 <nsh22> oh, i must of done that in-game
01:37 <nsh22> my utoexec file is correct then
01:37 <Lucifer> #
01:37 <Lucifer> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:56681.
01:37 <nsh22> here the autoexec http://pastebin.com/d31b2ea59
01:37 <Lucifer> when the error message appears before that line, it means your config file is wrong
01:37 <nsh22> ok
01:38 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: any idea why neal is using this:  Command WEB_USE_INTERNAL unknown.
01:38 <nsh22> so thats what it is?
01:38 <nsh22> i am?
01:38 <nsh22> where is that file?
01:38 <Lucifer> he has to be running 0.3 if he's got that in there
01:39 <Lucifer> er wait
01:39 <PinkTomato> that should be settings_custom.cfg
01:39 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
01:39 <nsh22> im checking now
01:39 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that setting is only in 0.3.0, so he must have gotten a config file that he's editing from 0.3.0
01:39 <Lucifer> in all likelihood, PinkTomato (hi there!) , he's probably got a borked server installation anyway
01:39 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d7e951969 thats the settings_custom
01:40 <nsh22> so the installation is fooked on it?
01:40 <Lucifer> you should really put the server name and talk_to_master in server_info.cfg
01:40 <nsh22> i left admin pass out of the paste bin,
01:40 <PinkTomato> ;)
01:40 <Lucifer> that should also be in server_info.cfg
01:41 <nsh22> ok, but does it matter?
01:41 <Lucifer> well, yeah, you can't paste your entire settings_custom.cfg file
01:41 <Lucifer> unless you can do that, there's a certain amount of support you can't get, because it is oftentimes necessary to see exactly what you see
01:41 <Lucifer> but we can't do that if you have to redact stuff
01:41 <nsh22> i can change it to the server_info
01:41 <Lucifer> the *reason* there's a separate server_info.cfg file is so you can put private, server-specific config in it
01:42 <nsh22> oh
01:42 <Lucifer> and it is loaded before the gameplay settings are initialized, so you *can't* put gameplay config in it, you need to put that in settings_custom.cfg
01:42 <Lucifer> clearly you didn't read the wiki page :)
01:42 <nsh22> lol
01:42 <nsh22> i think i read some of it....
01:43 <PinkTomato> Still dosen't explain the loads of cycle_brakes unknown
01:43 <Lucifer> well, I didn't write that page just so I can sit here in irc and tell people what's on it :)
01:43 <nsh22> ya, i d ont know where thats coming from
01:43 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's why I think he's got a borked installation, it almost looks like there's some sort of looped config file loading going on
01:43 <Lucifer> what's in your everytime.cfg ?
01:44 <nsh22> there isnt any 0.o
01:44 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: well that and obvious technical incompetence :)
01:44 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r762 Create source tarballs with tFakeVersion.h so the extended v... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r761 Create tTrueVersion.h in build, not source directory....
01:44 <PinkTomato> and your settings.cfg while your at it :)
01:44 <nsh22> its a new hoster, who got some guy to host arma servers
01:44 <nsh22> codehunter got him o do it
01:44 <Lucifer> which guy?
01:44 <Lucifer> oh, nvm then
01:44 <PinkTomato> Ah.
01:44 <Lucifer> I'm done talking to you :)
01:44 <nsh22> lol ok
01:45 <Lucifer> (codehunter is a known idiot around here, your best bet is to avoid anything he's near)
01:45 <PinkTomato> is that VcL Program?
01:45 <nsh22> see, i didnt know that
01:45 <nsh22> ya its vcl
01:45 <nsh22> im neal on lagtest
01:45 <nsh22> fyi
01:45 <PinkTomato> I gathered from yesterday and MAP_FILE :)
01:45 <nsh22> ?
01:46 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE neal/Fortress etc etc
01:46 <nsh22> oh
01:46 <PinkTomato> He was a little rude to luke-jr
01:46 <nsh22> so i should find a new host?
01:46 <nsh22> ya he was
01:47 <nsh22> i might go with luke afte all
01:47 <Lucifer> did he come in here as codehunter?
01:47 <PinkTomato> If he works for that company he should be careful.
01:47 <Lucifer> yeah, luke's your best bet if you can't host it yourself
01:47 <nsh22> ok
01:47 <nsh22> well, u saw my thing about the non *'ed pass didnt you??
01:47 <PinkTomato> you can't insult luke-jr servers without backing it up if your part of a company
01:48 <nsh22> i odont think hes paart of dragonservers
01:48 <Lucifer> really, you can't insult luke-jr servers unless your an arma developer anyway, and we can only do that because he's fun to pick on ;)
01:48 <nsh22> lol
01:48 <PinkTomato> Ah I see, the post reads like an advertisement
01:48 <PinkTomato> lol Lucifer :)
01:48 <nsh22> so you think he is involved wioth dragon servers?
01:48 <Lucifer> which post are you reading?
01:49 <nsh22> on lagtest
01:49 <PinkTomato> http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2242
01:49 <nsh22> ill post a link
01:49 <Lucifer> ah, I'm not a member
01:49 <nsh22> http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2242
01:49 <nsh22> thenbecome one lol
01:49 <PinkTomato> Oh yeah, that bugs me
01:49 <nsh22> what does
01:50 <PinkTomato> Forums should be open to read
01:50 <Lucifer> I don't become members of forums that are members-only for most of their content
01:50 <nsh22> at least the news ones anyway
01:50 <nsh22> they arnt i dont think
01:50 <nsh22> most of it is open to others
01:50 <PinkTomato> log out and click the link ;)
01:50 <Lucifer> well, that link led to a login prompt
01:50 <nsh22> oh you mean registered (i thought u meant clan member) my bad
01:51 <PinkTomato> All that happens is that it ends up with loads and loads of members that only want to read
01:51 <Lucifer> member of the forums, heh
01:51 <nsh22> ill paste bin the first post
01:51 <Lucifer> well, see, the way I figure it, we put all of this arma content out there with no such restrictions
01:51 <Lucifer> the only members-only forums we have are for server admins and developers, and we discourage use unless privacy actually matters
01:52 <Lucifer> I really think that other people in the community need to adopt this attitude as well
01:52 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d3f7dd2db
01:52 <nsh22> for the RCON pass when i signed up, it wasnt *'ed
01:52 <Lucifer> now, I can't object to the WW forums as they are, because ww really gives back to the community with the servers they run
01:52 <nsh22> ya
01:52 <Lucifer> but if you recall codehunter's first experience with this community, he was leaching, plain and simple
01:52 <PinkTomato> whats an RCON password?
01:52 <nsh22> unfortunately, there are others who dont think that in our community
01:53 <nsh22> what you use to get on control panel
01:53 <nsh22> see, i dont know alot about code hunter so...
01:53 <Lucifer> that is an advertisement
01:54 <nsh22> hmmm
01:54 <nsh22> and i take it there is no way of getting a refund....
01:54 <PinkTomato> 7-fay refund law?
01:54 <Lucifer> We noticed that the .3 version of the server is a bit buggy and we had some issues when setting it up, So we will only be offering the stable version (. until a full release is made of the .3 beta version released by Z-Man.  <--- don't trust anybody who thinks z-man is the only developer :)
01:54 <PinkTomato> Or did I just make that up?
01:55 <PinkTomato> That bugged me too :)
01:55 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: you just made it up, wtf is a fay anyway?
01:55 <PinkTomato> day*
01:55 <nsh22> well at least it only cost me $12CAN
01:55 <Lucifer> oh it gets worse
01:55 <Lucifer> see, we corrected him when he first showed up, and that was a couple of years ago
01:55 <PinkTomato> live.com email contact?
01:55 <Lucifer> so he doesn't have any excuses now, except that he's NAME-DROPPING
01:55 <Lucifer> and I don't trust people who name-drop :)
01:55 <nsh22> so i should get rid of my server and go with luke?
01:56 <Lucifer> right luke-jr (hi there!) ?
01:56 <Lucifer> yes, absolutely
01:56 <nsh22> ok
01:56 <Lucifer> well, get your money's worth for what you've paid, of course
01:56 <nsh22> ill do that
01:56 <PinkTomato> yeah, keep the month
01:56 <nsh22> well i dont want to pay for two montsh so...
01:56 <PinkTomato> it's not completely useless
01:57 <nsh22> the admin was good about getting my username (i had forgotton it for the cp)
01:57 <Lucifer> luke-jr's servers may look more expensive than codehunter's, but I think we can all agree that luke-jr's servers are going to be less expensive when you consider how much service *you* get for it (no, I'm not advertising)
01:57 <PinkTomato> What really bugged me is when he said that luke-jr servers had low disc space and low bandwidth
01:57 <nsh22> wait, i have a good 1 as well...
01:57 <PinkTomato> I can't see how they could even try to back that up
01:58 <Lucifer> the problem is, he's technically correct
01:58 <nsh22> quote;Were you ever a customer of Luke's? If you were you would know that the servers are not worth a d*mn
01:58 <Lucifer> luke-jr's servers have limited bandwidth and disk space
01:58 <Lucifer> but so do codehunter's :)
01:58 <Lucifer> so do mine, so does everybody
01:58 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
01:59 <Lucifer> nsh22: last I heard, luke had a server with the same company that wrtlprnft (hi there!) went with for Fort Cafe
01:59 <nsh22> lol pinktomatoe goes on abou t authentication
02:00 <PinkTomato> what access do you have nsh22?
02:00 <PinkTomato> ftp?
02:00 <Lucifer> finaly, don't buy any internet service from somebody who talks about a web link like it can do more than refer to a file
02:00 <nsh22> ?
02:01 <nsh22> the ftp is weird, it wouldnt sign on, it didnt exist...
02:01 <Flex> luke-jr had/has a really good UK server, some slight hikups with lag, but overal it was good. reached pings as low as 12ms..
02:01 <nsh22> are they all in uk?
02:01 <PinkTomato> they are the top of my list ;)
02:01 <PinkTomato> No all over the place
02:02 <Lucifer> luke-jr: come here and sell yourself, we're getting tired of doing it for you :)
02:02 <Lucifer> I think he's got a server in europe and one in the US (Texas, iirc)
02:02 <Lucifer> I don't know more than that
02:02 <nsh22> ok
02:02 <PinkTomato> and another in the east coast
02:02 <nsh22> ill sign up for his at the end of the month
02:02 <Flex> i believe the jumps was because of the way it was all networked.. or something, i don't know
02:03 <Flex> if it was a stand alone dedicated server, on that line it would of been perfect
02:03 <nsh22> luke jrs servers are 0.88 for first three months only :(
02:03 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, have you still got the alpha1 package installed?
02:03 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: which one?
02:03 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, ermm...the one ending in _alpha1.. =x
02:04 <PinkTomato> I uninstalled it, but I still have it
02:04 <BabyBug> Were you able to join Fortress Cafe when you had it installed?
02:04 <PinkTomato> No
02:04 <PinkTomato> Oh Lucifer
02:04 <PinkTomato> I couldn't get to fortress either, forgot to say
02:04 <BabyBug> ^^
02:04 <Lucifer> yeah, I heard something about that, but haven't seen any error messages I could read for myself yet ;)
02:05 <BabyBug> Lucifer, does the console get logged somewhere...So it can be pastebinned?
02:05 <Lucifer> hmmmm, I think there's an option to do that, but I don't remember what it is
02:05 <Lucifer> I'll look into it, if there is, I'll make it default for these alpha builds
02:06 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: is there a way i can make sure HTML code has no CSS style even if the tags have a style by default?
02:06 <Lucifer> too late for the packages I'm building right now, but they've got bad version stamps anyway
02:06 <PinkTomato> nsh22: it says if longer if I can afford it ;)
02:06 <nsh22> ya
02:06 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: not that I know of
02:06 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: some attributes can be cleared, I know that
02:06 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: isn't there something in the var folder?
02:06  * nsh22 is hungry
02:07 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: but you don't want to do that anyway, it causes problems for disabled users ;)
02:07 <ct|kyle> it is a firefox issue, works in konqueror
02:08 <BabyBug> Lucifer, when joining cafe: http://rafb.net/p/Tn7Gyx91.html
02:08 <BabyBug> i'll check PinkTomato
02:08 <PinkTomato> There isn't just checked, :). where did you get that from though?
02:09 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, I ran it from the terminal, and it outputted everything there aswell :)
02:09 <PinkTomato> ah yeah :)
02:09 <nsh22> is PSpad a good editor?
02:10 <PinkTomato> notepadd++ for windows is suggested by me
02:10 <nsh22> free?
02:10 <PinkTomato> no double d, it is free.
02:10 <BabyBug> #g notepad++
02:10 <@armabot> BabyBug: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:10 <BabyBug> oops =x
02:10 <BabyBug> #google notepad++
02:10 <@armabot> BabyBug: Search took 0.17 seconds: .:: NOTEPAD++ ::.: <http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/>; SourceForge.net: Notepad++: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/notepad-plus/>; SourceForge.net: Notepad++ : Files: <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=95717&package_id=102072>; Notepad++ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notepad%2B%2B>; Download (2 more messages)
02:10 <BabyBug> \o/
02:10 <nsh22> ty
02:10 <PinkTomato> the website is a little.. odd
02:11 <PinkTomato> but the program follows decent conventions when you make the title bar appear :)
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02:13 <nsh22> can it compile?
02:13 <PinkTomato> nsh22: are you after an IDE?
02:13 <nsh22> ?? i want to compile the sty patch if that helps
02:14 <PinkTomato> then you don't want notepad++ :)
02:14 <PinkTomato> would you rather have a pre-compiled version?
02:14 <nsh22> yes plz
02:14 <nsh22> lo
02:14 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, is there a pre-compiled windows version? O.o
02:15 <PinkTomato> Infamous compuled one
02:15 <PinkTomato> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18923&start=30
02:15 <BabyBug> ahh ^^
02:15 <PinkTomato> so thank them, not me  ;)
02:16 <nsh22> so what do i do with it?
02:17 <PinkTomato> it's an installer :
02:17 <PinkTomato> :)
02:17 <PinkTomato> so you install it :)
02:17 <SageLord> PinkTomato: does your team sumo server still have max 3 players per team?
02:18 <nsh22> so ow do i play it, uts a dedicated server
02:18 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: If it crashed and restarted it dosen't, I never committed the change. It was supposed to be temporary anyway, when I change to the csv settings from tst.
02:18 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, ? O.o
02:18 <nsh22> i found it
02:19 <PinkTomato> nsh22: Are you trying to get this running on NEAL's TEST SERVER.
02:19 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, did you mean to highlight SageLord there? :P
02:19 <SageLord> BabyBug: i think me :p
02:19 <BabyBug> ^^
02:19 <nsh22> well, no wid be satisfied with a local game
02:19 <nsh22> now id*
02:20 <nsh22> i found a game on the lan? its that it?
02:20 <PinkTomato> I meant SageLord sorry :). You are the same name colour as BabyBug , confuses me
02:20 <SageLord> Oo
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02:20 <nsh22> pinktomato i found a game on the lan? its that it?
02:20 <BugBaby> Different colour now? :D
02:21 <PinkTomato> yeah :D
02:21 <BugBaby> \o/
02:21 <SageLord> how do you change colors? Oo
02:21 <nsh22> ok
02:21 <PinkTomato> wait nsh22, that was to BugBaby
02:21 <BugBaby> SageLord, his client just colours everyones name
02:21 <PinkTomato> yes that is it nsh22
02:21 <BugBaby> So when i changed name..I got a new colour on his screen ^^
02:21 <nsh22> ok
02:21 <nsh22> it has armathentication i think as weell...
02:22 <PinkTomato> It's has some sort of algorhytm to it, babybug is always red for example
02:22 <nsh22> how do i add a local user?
02:22 <PinkTomato> LOCAL_USER <<name>> <<pass>>
02:23 <PinkTomato> USER_LEVEL <<name>>@ <<level>>
02:23 <nsh22> where do i put that server_info?
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02:23 <PinkTomato> that's a good place to put it :)
02:23 <nsh22> in the dedicated server files?
02:24 <PinkTomato> I can't remember on windows where it would be
02:24 <nsh22> i found the folder, its settings_authentication
02:24 <dlh> Lucifer: I've got a question about the 0.3.1 release process
02:25 <PinkTomato> ah wait nsh22 :)
02:26 <PinkTomato> just to complicate things
02:26 <PinkTomato> settings_authentication.cfg should not be touched :)
02:26 <PinkTomato> use server_info.cfg :)
02:26 <dlh> For 0.3.1_alpha1, I should do "bzr revert -rtag:0.3.1_alpha1" so that my sources are the same as in your release?
02:26 <nsh22> ok
02:27 <dlh> or should the latest be okay?
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02:32 <PinkTomato> nsh22: is it working?
02:32 <nsh22> hmmm not really, i added local_user to the server_info
02:33 <PinkTomato> what two lines did you add?
02:33 <PinkTomato> \cfg
02:33 <nsh22> local_user and user_level
02:33 <PinkTomato> I mean what did you type :)
02:34 <PinkTomato> #cfg user_level
02:34 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
02:34 <nsh22> ermm, like in the document?
02:34 <nsh22> it worked
02:34 <PinkTomato> Oh, problem solved :)
02:34 <PinkTomato> you put in 0 for level?
02:34 <PinkTomato> or 1
02:35 <nsh22> o,now i dont have admin, im just local :(
02:35 <PinkTomato> what's your user_level command?
02:35 <PinkTomato> @cfg user_level
02:35 <nsh22>  0
02:35 <PinkTomato> the full line ;)
02:35 <nsh22> USER_LEVEL neal 0
02:36 <PinkTomato> USER_LEVEL neal@ 0
02:36 <PinkTomato> the @ wasn't a typo ;)
02:36 <PinkTomato> but it wasn't very clear either
02:36 <nsh22> ok
02:36 <nsh22> i see
02:36 <PinkTomato> #cfg CYCLE_RUBBER
02:36 <@armabot> PinkTomato: CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block (10 more messages)
02:37 <nsh22> still a local user
02:38 <PinkTomato> restarted server?
02:39 <dlh> or include server_info.cfg
02:39 <dlh> or whatever you put it in
02:39 <nsh22> it worked i restarted it
02:39 <nsh22> ty
02:39 <PinkTomato> :)
02:42 <PinkTomato> Ok I'm off byebye :)
02:42 <nsh22> same
02:42 <nsh22> byby
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02:51 <Flex> BabyBug what makes you assume you have the intelligence to give advice?
02:51 <BabyBug> lol Flex, What makes you assume i'm giving advice?
02:52 <Flex> you're going to answer a quesiton with a question?
02:52 <BabyBug> Sure, why not? =)
02:54 <Flex> Babybug few months back, you're coming on here as a guy, then you turn into a virtual hooker, now you're relationship guru? Whatever you want to be, why don't you stay out of things that aren't your business? It might sound harsh, but I really mean it nicely and it's more of a request.
02:55 <BabyBug> A virtual hooker, wow that's nice hunni. I can why you're quite the catch.
02:55 <Flex> hey.. things might of been bad, but they're worse now, thanks
02:56 <BabyBug> Glad to be of some service.
02:56 <Lucifer> dlh: what's up?
02:57 <dlh> For 0.3.1_alpha1, I should do "bzr revert -rtag:0.3.1_alpha1" so that my sources are the same as in your release? Or will latest be okay?
02:58 <Lucifer> BabyBug: thank you, that answers a question I had when I was fixing a related problem with the cockpit
02:58 <Lucifer> dlh: latest is ok for now, there are some issues in the first alpha that didn't get discovered until I put it out :)
02:58 <BabyBug> Lucifer, For the pastebin right? =)
02:58 <Lucifer> there are issues in the latest as well, since I stupidly merged epsy's new version script
02:58 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yes, for the pastebin :)
02:59 <BabyBug> yw =)
02:59 <Lucifer> dlh: I'll tag for the second alpha, of course, as soon as I fix babybug's latest problem and the version script is sorted out, and then, in the absence of a third tag, you should package for that tag
02:59 <dlh> Lucifer: than should I name it something other than alpha1? Like create a tag "0.3.1_alpha2"?
03:00 <Lucifer> no, alpha2 is special.  If you want to remove the .1 and release it marked like a trunk snapshot, that's fine
03:00 <dlh> alright
03:00 <Lucifer> at this point, you're only sanity checking the packaging and finding any obvious problems that we typically miss when running off the trunk like we do :)
03:01 <Lucifer> and making sure the package has all the stuff it's supposed to have, particularly things added since you last packaged a release (0.3.0)
03:01 <Lucifer> I hope to be able to release 0.3.1 before next week gets going
03:01 <Lucifer> one thing that may be different from 0.3.0, though
03:02 <Lucifer> and I should probably post this, but I'll say it here first
03:02 <Lucifer> I intend to build autopackages with a completely clean build, test them a little bit, and then tag and build again
03:02 <Lucifer> I'll initiate the final release with the autopackages and source tarball
03:02 <Lucifer> I'm going to want the windows and mac os x builds built from that source tarball
03:03 <Lucifer> so, it would be nice to have at least one alpha where we do a dress rehearsal for that
03:03 <dlh> Right, sounds good
03:05 <Flex> BabyBug, going to take my request seriously.. don't you think I have a point?
03:06 <BabyBug> Flex, nope
03:07 <Flex> you don't give a fuck what happens?
03:07 <BabyBug> Of course I care what happens =)
03:07 <BabyBug> But i'm not the one making that decision hun.
03:07 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure
03:08 <dlh> ugh, batch/make/version is broken on system other than gnu binutils
03:08 <Lucifer> heh
03:08 <Lucifer> that's for the best, really
03:08 <Lucifer> because it's broken on gnu binutils systems too
03:08 <dlh> oh, good :)
03:08 <Lucifer> so, it's broken everywhere :)
03:08 <Flex> If you were any way mature the way you act yourself to be, you would know you don't go around giving advice in things you have no idea about or in this case when you don't know the entire picture. Decisions is not my concern here.
03:09 <Lucifer> whoah
03:09 <BabyBug> Why do you think i'm giving advice?
03:09 <Lucifer> hey, let's try to have disagreements without judging the other person, eh?
03:09 <BabyBug> And don't start talking about maturity when you're here saying this for everyone to read.
03:09 <Lucifer> how long has this argument been going on?  (I just realized I had been ignoring flex)
03:10 <BabyBug> erm..not long...only ~10 lines have been said
03:11 <Lucifer> oh good, I don't have to kick anybody yet
03:11  * Lucifer looks at the two arguers meaningfully
03:11 <Flex> it's not an argument, i don't want it to be.. i want BabyBug to understand..
03:11  * BabyBug identifies with armabot and kicks Lucifer xD
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03:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by Lucifer
03:12 <BabyBug> haha
03:12 <Flex> who's going to kick you when you argue Lucifer?
03:12 <@Lucifer> guru3 :)
03:12 <@Lucifer> I can't stop you guys from arguing, but I can ask you to argue somewhere else
03:13 <Flex> na i'm done.. anyway, so why should i be mature with someone who doesn't act/be mature themselves.. i believe i already asked you to stop before BabyBug
03:14 <@Lucifer> translation:  "I'm done, so here's my parting shot"
03:14 <BabyBug> Hit the nail on the head Lucifer =P
03:14 <@Lucifer> hey, I used to be a kid too, you know ;)
03:14 <BabyBug> hehe
03:14 <BabyBug> ^^
03:15 <BabyBug> even if it was all that time ago eh?
03:15 <Flex> you forgot your classic, my kids ___ ect ect line, Lucifer
03:15 <@Lucifer> nah, I'm only recently divorced, and that psycho woman loved to remind me of what it was like to be a kid
03:15 <@Lucifer> Flex: oh now it's "My psycho ex"
03:15 <Flex> i've not heard that in a while
03:15 <@Lucifer> so instead of being compared to my kids, all the smegheads in the community get to be compared to her
03:16 <@Lucifer> Flex: I haven't been divorced for very long
03:16 <Flex> you should make it the channel title, so you don't have to keep talking about it
03:16 <@Lucifer> I think I'm starting to remember why you were on my ignore list
03:17 <Flex> na, it was because i didn't edit the wiki, you were a kid, not long ago
03:17 <@Lucifer> was your failure to edit the wiki linked to excessive bitching about how sucky the wiki is?
03:18 <Flex> not really. it was related to the fact that i prefered it to have it's own page..
03:19 <@Lucifer> curious if the chatlogs would support your contention or mine :)
03:19 <@Lucifer> but I don't care enough to dig up the conversation
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03:20 <Flex> neither do i.. it's on the wiki anyway, for now
03:20 <@Lucifer> damn, dlh left right when I was going to ask him a question
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03:22 <Flex> BabyBug, would it have helped if i spoke you in private.. i didn't think of that
03:24 <BabyBug> Flex, shush
03:24 <Flex> that's what i'd like you to do.. fair trade, huh?
03:24 <@Lucifer> it was 10 minutes since she last said something, and then she only said something in response to you....
03:25 <BabyBug> I'll stop talking to you no problem.
03:25  * Lucifer wants to know what "fair" means
03:25 <BabyBug> Fair trade food \o/
03:26 <Flex> Lucifer, it concerns what she says outside of this, not what she's been saying for the last 10 minutes.
03:26 <Flex> nm..
03:26 <@Lucifer> ah, so you're not really done arguing then
03:27 <@Lucifer> last warning, this is not the place for this argument :)
03:27 <Flex> can't reason with her, so no i'm done
03:27 <BabyBug> Lucifer, did you say you were building more autopackages tonight?
03:28 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: yeah, I just built them, but the version numbers are screwed up, and they don't include the map fix
03:28 <BabyBug> ahhhh okies
03:28 <@Lucifer> I can start another build, but I'm not putting it up for release because of the aforementioned version problem
03:28  * Lucifer is considering reverting the version script
03:28 <@Lucifer> hey, now's as good a time as any to learn about bzr revert
03:35 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I just hopefully reverted the version script, and will test.  If it works, I'll start up another package build for you ;)
03:35 <BabyBug> \o/ =D
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03:38 <nsh22> hey
03:38 <BabyBug> Hiho
03:38 <nsh22> #armaservers
03:38 <armabot> nsh22: This data is 52 seconds old; Wild West  =Team Sumo= (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (8/12), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (6/14), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (5/10), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (5/10), -=VcL.High Rubber Server (5/10), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (4/14), Birdy's Nest (Oddest Version Of Loose DF) (3/8), (2 more messages)
03:38 <nsh22> haha it gives wild wests info
03:38 <nsh22> thats awesome
03:38 <nsh22> #armaconfig
03:38 <armabot> nsh22: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
03:39 <nsh22> #notes
03:39 <armabot> nsh22: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlprnft..., wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], and aa_voodoo.
03:39 <@Lucifer> oh goodie
03:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer?
03:39 <@Lucifer> successfully reverted to a working version script :)
03:39 <BabyBug> =)
03:39 <nsh22> yay
03:40 <@Lucifer> started up a client build
03:40 <nsh22> #armagetron.tournys
03:40 <@Lucifer> It'll be marked as alpha2, but it's *not* alpha2
03:40 <BabyBug> heh, ok
03:40 <@Lucifer> I suspect dlh is about to put up a mac build, and I'd just as soon do alpha2 tomorrow
03:41 <@Lucifer> er, well, nvm, I may as well, now that I think about it :)
03:41 <nsh22> is tron a job for you?
03:41 <@Lucifer> nsh22: no, is it a job for you?
03:42 <nsh22> lol no, but i mean like, how do you find the time to do all this stuff?
03:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by Lucifer
03:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
03:42 <Lucifer> right now I'm job-hunting, if that gives you an idea ;)
03:42 <nsh22> oic
03:42 <Lucifer> also, recently divorced (I think I mentioned that....)
03:42 <nsh22> so you have lots of spare time?
03:43 <Lucifer> it's not exactly spare
03:43 <nsh22> oh, well that sucks (depends on how u look at it)
03:43 <nsh22> @the divorce
03:43 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer, you love reminding yourself that it happened don't ya? =P
03:43 <Lucifer> it's more like "I need to make sure I'm doing something rewarding right now or I'll fall deep into the pit of despair"
03:43 <nsh22> ah
03:43 <nsh22> ive done that, its not fun
03:44 <Lucifer> also, one of the available choices for me right now (still waiting to talk to the people about it) involves going in communicado for a few weeks
03:44 <Lucifer> so it would be nice if I could see 0.3.1 out the door before that happens ;)
03:44 <nsh22> communicado?
03:45 <Lucifer> in communicado, out of communication
03:45 <Lucifer> I'm lookiing at the national guard, and there's basic training and tech school attached to it
03:46 <nsh22> oh, u want to join the national guard?
03:46 <Lucifer> sure, why not?
03:46 <nsh22> is that different than the army?
03:46 <Lucifer> yes, it is
03:46 <nsh22> ok
03:47 <nsh22> how long would u be communicado?
03:47 <Lucifer> don't know, won't know until I talk to somebody
03:47 <Lucifer> I've had a brief email exchange with a recruiter (That I initiated), and tomorrow I'm going to get on the phone and see what I can come up with
03:48 <nsh22> u need to communicate in order to go in commudicado? lol
03:48 <Lucifer> heh
03:48 <nsh22> i saw your post about making wine on the cheap, do you still do it?
03:48 <Lucifer> no
03:48 <Lucifer> I gave all that stuff away a few months ago
03:49 <nsh22> id like to get into that kind of stuff, but im too young to get it myself
03:49 <Lucifer> how old are you?
03:49 <nsh22> 16
03:49 <Lucifer> er wait
03:49 <Lucifer> did you say you're in the uk?
03:49 <nsh22> canada
03:49 <nsh22> pinktomatoe is in the uk i think
03:49 <Lucifer> hmmmm, it might not even be legal for you to do it
03:50 <Lucifer> but if it is, you might be able to legally purchase the supplies :)
03:50 <nsh22> meh, just say my parents did it
03:50 <nsh22> id get my parents to get the stuf probably
03:50 <nsh22> legal drinking age is 21
03:50 <Lucifer> then it's probably legal anyway
03:50 <nsh22> maybe
03:50 <Lucifer> ah, legal drinking age usually has exceptions for the parent-child relationship
03:51 <nsh22> but the funny thing is, i dont drink at all
03:51 <nsh22> i have never consumed alcohol(other than a sip of a cooler a few years ago)
03:53 <Lucifer> then I recommend making a honeydew melon wine :)
03:53 <nsh22> ya, with a bunch of sugar to be converted into alcohol lol
03:53 <Lucifer> well, of course, that's how it's made, isn't it?  ;)
03:53 <nsh22> yes
03:54 <nsh22> but isnt honeydew like one of the more sugar packed fruits?
03:54 <nsh22> stherefore more alcohol?
03:54 <Lucifer> use like 3-4 honeydew melons for 5 gallons, and 3-4 cans of welch's white grape juice
03:54 <Lucifer> it might be more sugar-packed, but you still have to add extra sugar
03:54 <nsh22> and yeast?
03:54 <Lucifer> and of course yeast
03:54 <nsh22> lol
03:54 <Lucifer> there's a particular strand of yeast that's ideal for making fruit wines
03:55 <nsh22> ya, ill look around at some wie making shops
03:55 <Lucifer> it can tolerate up to 18% alcohol, but you probably won't get that high right away
03:55 <nsh22> we have quite a few here
03:55 <nsh22> lol
03:55 <Lucifer> there's more to raising yeast than giving them sugar :)
03:55 <nsh22> i dont realy plan on drinking it tbh, i just want the experiance
03:55 <nsh22> ya i read the entire article
03:55 <Lucifer> the experience isn't complete without drinking it ;)
03:56 <nsh22> ya i know
03:56 <Lucifer> that's why I suggest honeydew melon, it comes out really nicely
03:56 <Lucifer> it's a little on the sweet side, but you have to be a real wine lover to get into the dry wines
03:56 <Lucifer> so, for a first-time drinker, honeydew melon
03:56 <Lucifer> all other wines are an acquired taste
03:56 <nsh22> but i think that my family (fathers side) has a few chronics in it and im paranoid about becomeingone
03:56 <nsh22> i c now
03:57 <Lucifer> well, I quit drinking because I decided it was an addiction
03:57 <nsh22> good choice
03:57 <Lucifer> I wasn't drinking every day, but I don't seem to be able to drink without getting wasted
03:57 <Lucifer> can't enjoy just one glass of wine, have to drink the whole bottle
03:57 <Lucifer> so I gave my gear away
03:57 <nsh22> ya and that would take the fn out of it wouldnt it?
03:57 <nsh22> fun*
03:57 <Lucifer> well, drinking the whole bottle is fun too ;)
03:57 <nsh22> lol
03:58 <Lucifer> but it's kinda like not being able to kiss a girl unless you get into her pants
03:58 <nsh22> i think i would be more like that, just not being able to stop
03:58 <nsh22> if it tastes good
03:58 <Lucifer> when what you really want, for a healthy balance anyway, is a lot more kisses
03:58 <nsh22> lool
03:58 <Lucifer> well, at your age it isn't a big deal, seriously
03:58 <nsh22> ya
03:58 <Lucifer> but when you're 33, it's quite different
03:59 <Lucifer> teenagers are expected to party ;)
03:59 <nsh22> well, im like one of the few at my school who dont
04:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, are you trying to polute every ounce and innocence left in him? xD
04:00 <BabyBug> of innocence*
04:00 <nsh22> ive experianced what binge drinking does (my uncles can finish off 5 24s ina weekend (and thats canadian beer))
04:00 <Lucifer> hey, there's nothing wrong with making wine for fun :)
04:00 <nsh22> lol
04:00 <Lucifer> it's a fun hobby
04:00 <nsh22> thats all i want to do is do it for fun
04:00 <nsh22> im heavily into food, i want to be a chef someday
04:01 <Lucifer> and if he saves a bottle and gets wasted with it and gives the rest away, he's not exactly living in debauchery
04:01 <nsh22> tru enough
04:01 <nsh22> there is plenty of alcohol available, i just choose not to drink it
04:04 <nsh22> #armagetron.tournys
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04:08 <nsh22> hey
04:08 <Lucifer> dammit, now we've regressed back to the other problem
04:08 <nsh22> lol which is?
04:09 <BabyBug> Lucifer, did you revert all the files or just version....
04:09 <Lucifer> just version
04:09 <ivantis2> me i am guessing is the other problem
04:10 <BabyBug> Why is the IRC channel called #armagetron yet the url has armagetronad....?
04:10 <Lucifer> BabyBug: looks like the version number for the cockpit dtd got lost again, heh
04:11 <BabyBug> awwwww =( lol
04:11 <nsh22> it gets lost often?
04:12 <BabyBug> it's got lost very often in the last puckle o days ^^
04:12 <Lucifer> no, different versioning problems, heh
04:13 <Lucifer> first, I didn't know the map dtd was suffering the same problem as the cockpit, becuase the cockpit had a different problem
04:13 <Lucifer> so, it had two problems, and I fixed both of them, but thought that maps were safe (and they looked safe)
04:13 <nsh22> ok, what is a dtd. that was the first big problem i had when i tried to use my first map
04:14 <Lucifer> the other versioning problems are in the version script, and all that does is generate the release version that gets encoded in the compiled game, tarballs named after it, etc
04:14 <Lucifer> nsh22: a dtd contains the description of a syntax of xml
04:14 <Lucifer> see, xml isn't a language by itself, it's just a way to build languages of a certain type
04:14 <nsh22> oh
04:14 <Lucifer> a dtd is used to make an actual language
04:14 <nsh22> and dtd translates that into a map
04:14 <Lucifer> a program will read the dtd, and then it knows the language
04:14 <nsh22> ok i understand
04:15 <Lucifer> then it'll read the file and make sure the file is written in the language described by the dtd.  If it is, then the program understands it.
04:15 <nsh22> its like a translator basically?
04:15 <Lucifer> so your validation errors are because of that step, where the program doesn't know what you're trying to say in the file because you violated the dtd
04:15 <Lucifer> no, it's more like a dictionary
04:15 <nsh22> ok
04:16 <BabyBug> a thesaurus!
04:16 <Lucifer> but it's still more than that, because it has the added benefit of not just requiring files to be the right language, but also the right structure
04:16 <nsh22> see, when i first made a map, it used an ancient dtd (ty armabell XC) soi had to change the dtd file in the xml
04:16 <Lucifer> you could get some command line xml tools and check the validation of a map without using arma at all
04:17 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I think I fixed it, I'm building again to test, but this isn't a package build.  It's faster to test by having a regular trunk build to test ;)
04:18 <BabyBug> Lucifer, So an ETA on the package provided you fixed it now?
04:18 <Lucifer> 45 minutes or so
04:19 <nsh22> it takes that long to build (noob question i know)
04:19 <nsh22> ?
04:19 <Lucifer> nsh22: no, it takes that long to build it twice, package it once, and test it both times
04:19 <nsh22> 0.o
04:19 <nsh22> so this is for 0.3.1?
04:19 <Lucifer> first build is from scratch because I didn't happen to have a working build directory, I've been building packages
04:20 <Lucifer> the second build must be from scratch
04:20 <Lucifer> yes, I'm working on 0.3.1 right now
04:20 <BabyBug> and then my bug will be fixed in 0.3.2 \o/
04:20 <Lucifer> have some bugs that babybug found that I'm trying to fix, and she wants to be ready to test :)
04:20 <nsh22> ugh, i am best to stay away from all this jargon
04:21 <BabyBug> (you will have utf-8 for 0.3.2 right?)
04:21 <Lucifer> no promises, but we can hope ftgl gets their shit together :)
04:22 <BabyBug> hrmph
04:22 <Lucifer> also, wrtlprnft (hi there!) is probably the one to bug for that, he was the one working on it
04:22 <Lucifer> after 0.3.1, I'm going into the resource system, and then back to the sound engine
04:22 <Lucifer> and when I finish that, I'm going to start talking about 0.3.2 :)
04:22 <BabyBug> Is sounds working at all in 0.3.1?
04:22 <Lucifer> same as 0.3.0
04:22 <luke-jr> forums which require login to read are lame IMO :/
04:23 <nsh22> lol
04:23  * Lucifer completely agrees
04:23 <nsh22> like which one?
04:24 <luke-jr> I should reg on the forum just to bite him for slander
04:24 <nsh22> which site?
04:24 <Lucifer> heh
04:24 <Lucifer> he's not really worth your time :)
04:24 <Lucifer> it's ok for people to be wrong on the internet
04:24 <luke-jr> pfft, and it's even an overdue customer of mine
04:25 <Lucifer> he's not overdue, he never intended to pay to begin with
04:25 <nsh22> lol
04:25 <luke-jr> nsh22: hey, you have a server w/ him? ;)
04:25 <nsh22> code hunter
04:25 <Lucifer> hey, you should register and remind him that he never paid his bills
04:25 <nsh22> ?
04:25 <nsh22> ya but i am displeased with him
04:26 <nsh22> i realise i made a bad move
04:26 <Lucifer> just remind him politely that he still hasn't settled his bill with you
04:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: code said *low* bw/disk, which is unfounded
04:26 <luke-jr> I have no artificial limits on either..
04:26 <Lucifer> no, he said "limited"
04:26 <Lucifer> he obviously tried to imply "low"
04:26 <Lucifer> well, see, that's where if he said "limited", he's technically correct :)
04:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I have a server in UK, Texas, and Connecticut
04:27 <nsh22> luke, at the en of this month (when my server ends with code) could i use u as a host?
04:27 <Lucifer> you're limited by the laws of physics ;)
04:28 <BabyBug> What laws would they be? =)
04:28 <luke-jr> nsh22: sure, email me the info :þ
04:29 <nsh22> like what?
04:29 <luke-jr> nsh22: and if you don't mind letting me borrow your current account, I wouldn't mind seeing his interface and making sure he didn't steal mine
04:29 <nsh22> alright
04:30 <luke-jr> nsh22: geographical preference, account username, admin email, payment method, payment address, arma version, # of slots, and service start date
04:30 <nsh22> its a simple pass i use for stuff that i find questionable (te RCON pass for the cp wasnt *'ed wen i signe up)
04:30 <nsh22> ill email it to u
04:30 <luke-jr> ok
04:30 <luke-jr> thanks
04:31 <nsh22> The newest registered user is AdultDatingSingles haha
04:31 <nsh22> thats at the forums
04:32 <luke-jr> O.o
04:32 <nsh22> lol
04:34 <nsh22> where all do u host servers?
04:35 <nsh22> and ami able to change admin pass at a late date?
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04:35 <nsh22> nvm i misread sumthing
04:35 <Lucifer> you know, I think codehunter is the first genuine crook we've had here
04:36 <Lucifer> now that I think about it
04:36 <nsh22> lol
04:36 <Lucifer> I mean, we've had plenty of punks, but codehunter's a genuine crook
04:36 <nsh22> cloaket and crazy?
04:36 <Lucifer> thsoe guys are just punks
04:36 <BabyBug> who's codehunter?
04:36 <nsh22> ya, i guess they arnt after money
04:36 <Lucifer> they're troublemakers, there's no personal gain for them
04:37 <@armabot> armablah: Your Method to Our Madness « Play Fortress
04:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: mmm, think it would be possible to let me do something to claim having released 0.3.1 also? from this post, it would be a nice spit in his face ;)
04:37 <Lucifer> BabyBug: you ought to look him up on the forums ;)
04:37 <luke-jr> "We noticed that the .3 version of the server is a bit buggy and we had some issues when setting it up, So we will only be offering the stable version (. until a full release is made of the .3 beta version released by Z-Man. "
04:37 <BabyBug> #searchforums codehunter
04:37 <Lucifer> luke-jr: sure, can you try to build a windows package?  ;)
04:37 <BabyBug> darn it
04:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you forget Hyphy
04:37 <Lucifer> or better yet, fix epsy's version script
04:38 <luke-jr> uh, I don't even have Windows
04:38 <Lucifer> Hyphy didn't try to steal anything either, he was just a troublemaker
04:38 <luke-jr> Hyphy did steal from me.
04:38 <Lucifer> tried to make people mad
04:38 <luke-jr> He paid me with like 2 or 3 stolen credit cards.
04:38 <Lucifer> yeah, but that was just him being a punk
04:38 <Lucifer> he punked you out of shit
04:38 <luke-jr> federal crime, afaik
04:38 <Lucifer> well yeah, stealing is still stealing, but codehunter is more like the stereotypical con artist
04:38 <Lucifer> and he's not real good at it
04:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer, searching didn't work :P
04:39 <Lucifer> BabyBug: search by username
04:39 <Lucifer> it's either CodeHunter or Code Hunter
04:39 <Lucifer> then you can read what he's written directly :)
04:39 <BabyBug> you can't....
04:39 <Lucifer> luke-jr: anyway, yeah, it would be really awesome if someone took the version script epsy wrote and fixed and make it actually work
04:39 <BabyBug> search by username
04:39 <BabyBug> or im blind
04:40 <nsh22> luke jr:where all do u host servers?
04:40 <Lucifer> blind, I'll bet :)
04:40 <BabyBug> ><
04:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what's wrong with the old one? ;)
04:40 <Lucifer> yep, blind
04:40 <luke-jr> nsh22: Texas, Connecticut, and UK
04:40 <BabyBug> ...
04:40 <Lucifer> luke-jr: the old one works fine but doesn't work with bzr :)
04:40 <BabyBug> link! lol
04:40 <Lucifer> it generates the right version number, though
04:41 <Lucifer> then epsy decided to add bzr support and broke it
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04:41 <Lucifer> then he fixed it, and it still didn't work
04:41 <Lucifer> so he fixed it again, and it still doesn't work
04:41 <Lucifer> batch/make/version
04:41 <BabyBug> Oh Lucifer, ok im blind
04:41 <nsh22> kk i sent it
04:41 <nsh22> just tell me if you needmoe info
04:41 <Lucifer> I reverted the 0.3.1 branch back to a working version, so you'll have to do it in the trunk
04:42 <Lucifer> and if you want to take a crack at trying to get the rpm or debian packages to build....  ;)
04:42 <Lucifer> z-man used to build the generic rpm from a Gentoo installation
04:42 <nsh22> hahaha look at the profile of the newest forummember. lol
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04:43 <nsh22> some1 took the time to fill out the registration form for that.... thats sad
04:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer: hey, I can do the 0.3.1 ebuild ;)
04:45 <luke-jr> heck, I should already be doing that maybe
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04:48 <nsh22> hmmm now im a bit cautious
04:49 <nsh22> would you say that codehunter is a bit vengeful?
04:49 <BabyBug> i read and really dont see what the thing about codehunter is.....
04:50 <nsh22> codehunter is also known as vcl program
04:50  * BabyBug is still blank
04:50 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=17751&highlight=
04:50 <nsh22> i dont know what ur trying to find
04:51 <Lucifer> you don't have to get very far in that thread to see the con
04:52 <nsh22> i saw it lol
04:54 <Lucifer> and of course this thread was fun:
04:54 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=13191&highlight=
04:54 <Lucifer> but I think he took the site down, so you can't see what the fun was
04:55 <BabyBug> i see....
04:57 <Lucifer> oh no, are all of Dr Joe Tron's MS Paint cartoons gone?
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04:57  * Lucifer hopes not
04:57 <nsh22> looks like it
04:57 <BabyBug> \o/
04:57  * Lucifer thinks he should've saved them when he had the chance
04:58 <nsh22> "Not trying to wave my internet penis around." lol at joetron
05:02 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Did you actually fix the error before btw?
05:03 <Lucifer> BabyBug: no, apparently the resource.dtd file isn't getting versioned and included in the package again
05:03 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: already a reply LOL
05:03 <Lucifer> I'm working on it
05:03  * BabyBug cuddles ct|kyle 
05:03 <nsh22> lol
05:04  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
05:08 <nsh22> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:22 <nsh22> anybody here?
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05:26 <ct|kyle> no
05:26 <nsh22> lol
05:27 <GodTodd_> holy fuck...i forgot i did that paint thingie back then on that thread
05:27 <GodTodd_> heh
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05:28 <Lucifer> heh
05:28 <Lucifer> I had totally forgotten about that thread, and mostly forgotten about why I didn't like code hunter when he first showed up
05:28 <luke-jr> XD
05:28 <nsh22> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:28 <Lucifer> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:28 <nsh22> lol
05:29 <Lucifer> nsh22: use your tab completion and only say it once :)
05:29 <Lucifer> luke-jr reads his backbuffer
05:29 <GodTodd> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th...of never?
05:29 <nsh22> ok
05:29 <luke-jr> so who believe CodeHunter about him not hosting?
05:29 <luke-jr> nsh22: I didn't receive the app
05:29 <nsh22> what u mean?
05:29 <nsh22> hmmm
05:29 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: I do
05:30 <Lucifer> codehunter doesn't have the technical capabilities to host a server
05:30 <luke-jr> unless it's this forum PM thing
05:30 <Lucifer> come on, he said he has "an irc", and he had a "wiki" until it got speedily deleted
05:30 <Lucifer> (yes, I can't believe I actually reread those threads)
05:30 <nsh22> ill snd u the dragonserver stuff for now and my app tomoor
05:30  * GodTodd misses DrJoeTron. :(
05:30 <luke-jr> wtf is with this retarded forum expecting me to compose posts in black on dark grey, anyhow?
05:30  * Lucifer misses DrJoeTron too.  :(
05:30 <ct|kyle> I'm sure that your hosting is much better than that other one though
05:31  * ct|kyle too
05:31 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you're at the CT forum?
05:31 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: Wild West, even worse
05:31 <nsh22> there
05:32 <nsh22> check qickly, i put in a cancellation request, itll be gone in 24 hours
05:33 <nsh22> k im goin to bed
05:33 <nsh22> night all
05:33 <Lucifer> haha, Y-Man
05:34 <ct|kyle> anyway Lucifer we are going to have a new forum sometime
05:34 <Lucifer> will it hurt my eyes as much as the current forums do?
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05:36 <ct|kyle> I wonder how well my new captcha will work
05:36 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: more :P, we have not even made a theme for it yet
05:37 <luke-jr> should I threaten legal action?
05:38 <GodTodd> gaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05:39 <GodTodd> someone should have really warned me that luke-jr posted to that thread after i lost interest in it...with an actual pic as his avatar.
05:39 <GodTodd> now i have to find a spoon to gouge my eyes out with :)
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05:40 <Lucifer> grrrr
05:42 <luke-jr> should I? :þ
05:42 <Lucifer> only threaten legal action if you're willing to take it
05:42 <Lucifer> and no, I think you should take the high road
05:43 <Lucifer> if you want to post and politely remind him he owes you money, that would be the high road :)
05:43 <Lucifer> but posting anything that looks like an attack?  Nah, I wouldn't
05:43 <ct|kyle> he already did that
05:43 <luke-jr> I told him it was hypocritical for him to ask for pre-payment when he's 2 months overdue ;p
05:44 <luke-jr> "My cancellation policy is clearly documented. Should I go dig out my chat logs from the end of December where you assured me you would be paying the overdue bills? As you have clearly stated an intent to steal service in this post, I have terminated your service early. Please remit the overdue payment as soon as possible."
05:44 <luke-jr> how's that?
05:45 <TaZ> sigh
05:45 <TaZ> How much is it?
05:45 <luke-jr> $20 ;p
05:46 <TaZ> I can pay half of it
05:46 <luke-jr> why? O.o
05:47 <TaZ> I don't want this going back and forth
05:47 <luke-jr> o.O
05:58 <Lucifer> heh
05:59 <Lucifer> at this point, TaZ, I think luke-jr's post isn't really about money (although nobody questions that code hunter should pay him)
06:00 <TaZ> If it's not about the money, then what is it about?
06:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: true enough, but don't let Code know that XD
06:01 <luke-jr> TaZ: just the principle of it all, plus the fact that he's slandering and making me look bad
06:01 <Lucifer> TaZ: and engaging in the same shady practices he's always engaged in
06:01 <Lucifer> this time, he wants your money.  Previously he wanted credit and attention
06:05 <TaZ> From my understanding, he quit paying, and you let the servers continue hosting
06:05 <TaZ> Is that what happened?
06:06 <luke-jr> except he never mentioned cancelling
06:06 <luke-jr> just neglected to pay his bill
06:07 <TaZ> Shouldn't cancelling have been automatic?
06:07 <luke-jr> of course not
06:07 <TaZ> Like paying a light bill
06:07 <luke-jr> nobody assumes cancellation
06:07 <luke-jr> ever missed your electric bill?
06:07 <TaZ> You don't pay, your lights get cut off
06:07 <luke-jr> clearly not
06:07 <TaZ> Actually no xD
06:08 <luke-jr> your lights get cut off 2 months after it's late
06:08 <TaZ> Just assuming of course
06:08 <luke-jr> and you still owe the money
06:08 <TaZ> Did you send a notice?
06:08 <TaZ> Both months?
06:09 <luke-jr> Dec 19
06:09 <luke-jr> reminding him that his bills were overdue
06:09 <TaZ> And when did he stop paying?
06:10 <luke-jr> my records show that he paid the first 3 months of service, starting 2008-02-22
06:10 <luke-jr> 2008-08-22*
06:11 <luke-jr> On Dec 25, he apologised, told me he would be paying the remainder of the bill and to cancel the service at the end of that month.
06:11 <TaZ>  So it ended November 22, 2008?
06:12 <TaZ> oo
06:12 <luke-jr> so his cancellation date is 2009-01-21
06:12 <TaZ> ok
06:12 <luke-jr> as mentioned in the post I haven't made yet, since he just demonstrated a clear intent to steal the service, I terminated it early jsut now
06:13 <TaZ> ah
06:13 <TaZ> Well if he made a promise, he should have kept it
06:13 <luke-jr> my (fairly standard) cancellation policy is well documented as well:
06:13 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=svcterms
06:13 <luke-jr> "You are required to give notice of service cancellation at least a month in advance. Cancellation is only considered in effect when we are notified: if you wait 2 months to tell us, expect to pay for those 2 months."
06:14 <Lucifer> ok, started up another autopackage build
06:14 <TaZ> Well this changes everything
06:14 <luke-jr> (note even on Dec 25 I waived the full month's notice usually required)
06:14 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I *think* I've fixed it again, heh
06:15 <TaZ> See I thought you were just hosting it to be nice or something lol
06:15 <luke-jr> hm, my policy does mention abuse as "increasing fixed bandwidth usage limits", so I suppose if he read it that could be misinterpreted to mean such limits exist
06:15 <luke-jr> but he obviously didn't read it, since he didn't cancel properly
06:16 <Lucifer> you're referring to bandwidth usage settings in the server?
06:16  * Lucifer tries to remember waht they are
06:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: oh, maybe that's why I put it in there
06:16 <Lucifer> you can enforce that
06:16 <luke-jr> I think there were a few like that I didn't understand what exactly they did :þ
06:17 <Lucifer> #settings client
06:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, in theory those are all enforced
06:17 <Lucifer> #armasettings client
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: ALLOW_ENEMIES_SAME_CLIENT: If set to 1, this allows two players that play on the same client to fight for points with each other. (default: 0) || CLIENT_PORT: Port we try to connect to (default: 4534) || CYCLE_AVOID_OLDCLIENT_BAD_SYNC: If set to 1, old clients will not get sync messages in situations that are known to confuse them (default: 0) || LAG_OFFSET_CLIENT: Extra amount of lag (2 more messages)
06:17 <luke-jr> I have a patch that reads a config file and caps MAX_CLIENTS too
06:17 <Lucifer> #more
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: compensation, determined by the client. (default: 0) || MAX_CLIENTS: Maximum number of network clients to accept (default: 16) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the (1 more message)
06:17 <Lucifer> #more
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: server is full (default: 4) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
06:17 <luke-jr> that part of the policy is referring to bypassing stuff
06:17 <Lucifer> hmmm, there's a setting that adjusts actual bandwidth usage
06:19 <TaZ> Well I hope Code does the right thing
06:19 <TaZ> I'm going to bed, night.
06:19 <luke-jr> …
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06:20 <Lucifer> oh right
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: CAMERA_SMART_CENTER_MAX_LOOKAHEAD: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CONSOLE_ROWS_MAX: Number of lines of console output when scrolling back (default: 19) || CYCLE_MAX_REFCOUNT: Maximum allowed reference count on cycles before they self destruct. This setting is to protect against performance related DOS attacks. (default: 30000) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX: If the cycle_width conditions are (7 more messages)
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX_IN
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: MAX_IN_RATE: Maximum network input rate (default: 8)
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX_OUT
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: MAX_OUT_RATE: Maximum network output rate (default: 8)
06:20 <luke-jr> yeah
06:20 <luke-jr> I think I #ifdef'd those out
06:21 <Lucifer> so you're running custom builds, then?
06:22 <luke-jr> slightly modified
06:22 <Lucifer> heh, you should create a bzr branch for the mods :)
06:22 <Lucifer> put them out where people can see them ;)
06:22 <luke-jr> they're pretty specific :þ
06:23 <luke-jr> patch is 230 lines
06:23 <luke-jr> basically just a lot of #ifndef HOSTED
06:24 <luke-jr> and a --enable-hosted configure option
06:24 <luke-jr> and a function to restrict MAX_CLIENTS, and set the (not configurable) SERVER_IP and SERVER_POOOOOORT
06:24 <luke-jr> PORT*
06:25 <luke-jr> based on my service layer config file
06:25 <Lucifer> yeah, well, it's up to you
06:25 <Lucifer> personally, if I thought people should have the source to web apps, I'd be the first to offer source to servers I run ;)
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06:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: FWIW, only 0.2.8 alphas are dated
06:30 <luke-jr> 0.3 trunk was always Svn rev numbers
06:31 <luke-jr> why not get the Ubuntu devs to make the Ubuntu pkgs?
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06:39 <Lucifer> 0.3 trunk is now dated too, because of how branches and merges work
06:40 <luke-jr> o.o
06:40 <luke-jr> CodeHunter just sent me $40?
06:40 <Lucifer> no way
06:40 <luke-jr> is it a trap?
06:41 <Lucifer> nah
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06:41 <Lucifer> I suspect that he doesn't *want* to be a used car salesman, that's just what he is
06:41 <DrJoeTron> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
06:41 <luke-jr> omfg DrJoeTron listened!
06:41 <Lucifer> holy shit, is that really joe?
06:41 <DrJoeTron> hey hi
06:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: he's on Google Talk all the time
06:41 <Lucifer> prove you're the real DrJoeTron (hi there!) and draw a ms paint cartoon
06:41 <luke-jr> so I pointed him at the thread
06:41 <luke-jr> LOL
06:41 <DrJoeTron> <luke-jr> Lucifer: he's on Google Talk all the time <- p.much
06:42 <DrJoeTron> how've you been :)
06:42 <Lucifer> heh, good, and you?
06:43 <DrJoeTron> hangin in there, school and work
06:43  * luke-jr is waiting for CodeHunter to post/say something before he accepts.
06:43 <luke-jr> this is just too suspicious
06:43 <DrJoeTron> huh?
06:43 <luke-jr> why would he send me $40 when he was just fighting to not send me $20?
06:43 <GodTodd> school and work are no excuse for neglecting a fucking important irc channel, you bloody tampon. :D
06:43  * luke-jr suspects a plot to PayPal-dispute
06:44 <DrJoeTron> <3
06:44 <Lucifer> haha GodTodd (hi there!)
06:44 <DrJoeTron> oh cool freenode removed my user name
06:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: that's some insult there…
06:44 <DrJoeTron> shows the last time i signed on
06:44 <Lucifer> ok, I'm gonna tag and put up new alpha builds for 0.3.1
06:44 <luke-jr> bzr has tags⁇
06:44 <Lucifer> yep, bzr has tags
06:45 <GodTodd> that reminds me, though, i have to brave the advisement office at UTD tomorrow :/
06:45 <Lucifer> grrr, someone pushed to 0.3.1 when I wasn't looking
06:46 <GodTodd> yeah, sorry bout that ;)
06:46 <luke-jr> wtf, GodTodd codes Armagetron?
06:46 <DrJoeTron> has any work been done on this here game
06:46 <Lucifer> luke-jr: everyone has bzr write access except you ;)
06:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: what do you think of http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40169
06:46 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: yes, as a matter of fact....
06:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer: even DrJoeTron?
06:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: MS Paint the cycle model!
06:46 <DrJoeTron> oh, brb logging in
06:47 <Lucifer> great, now I have to remove the tag and test again
06:47 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr what forum is that
06:47 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: dunno, some annoying forum
06:48 <DrJoeTron> oh, thanks for the link then
06:48 <luke-jr> I blame wrtlprnft for some unknown reason.
06:48 <GodTodd> i don't join any forum that would have me as a member
06:49 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron, you should make a MS Paint forum tho
06:49 <GodTodd> that'd roxxorz
06:49 <Lucifer> we need to start some stupid fight on the forums so that DrJoeTron (hi there!) can hijack it with a cartoon
06:50 <DrJoeTron> ahhh i got kinda sick of trollin' the arma boards
06:50 <Lucifer> awwwwww
06:51 <Lucifer> hey, do you still have all the ms paint cartoons you drew?
06:51 <Lucifer> you linked them to somewhere from the forums, and they're all gone now
06:51 <luke-jr> trolling⁇
06:51 <luke-jr> you mean you didn't enjoy those posts as much as we did?
06:52 <GodTodd> i should troll the forums...it's even better since i play once every decade or so
06:52 <GodTodd> :D
06:52 <Lucifer> hey, we're in a new decade since
06:52 <luke-jr> you do actually play?
06:52 <Lucifer> er, wait, no we're not, it's only 09
06:53 <luke-jr> I wonder if I've spent more time coding or playing…
06:53 <Lucifer> I think I've spent the most time dealing with epsy's bugs ;)
06:53 <GodTodd> i've not played since i got this laptop...but, yeah, i play once in a while
06:53 <luke-jr> XD
06:53 <Lucifer> if make distcheck passes, I'm tagging again and pushing
06:54 <GodTodd> push it
06:54 <GodTodd> push it real good
06:54 <Lucifer> I'm gonna push it right over to DrJoeTron (hi there!) to draw us an MS Paint cartoon
06:54 <luke-jr> ooooh
06:54 <luke-jr> oooh
06:54 <Lucifer> hey joe, want to contribute a splash screen for 0.3.1?  ;)
06:54 <luke-jr> Lucifer: get DrJoeTron to draw the title page for 0.3.1!
06:54 <GodTodd> i think that made luke-jr cum
06:54 <luke-jr> haha
06:55 <DrJoeTron> woah what?
06:55 <luke-jr> looks like Lucifer got the same idea at the same time
06:55 <luke-jr> XD
06:55 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: that pic when you start the game… you draw the new one
06:55 <luke-jr> :D
06:55 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: I don't mean to scare you, but luke-jr and I just had the same thought at the same time
06:55 <DrJoeTron> but all i do is draw doodles in mspaint :T
06:55 <luke-jr> AND THEY'RE AWESOME
06:55 <GodTodd> ITZ DA APOCALIPSE!!!!111!!1!!1
06:55 <Lucifer> man
06:56 <Lucifer> don't tell anybody, just send it along privately and I'll sneak it into the tarball
06:56 <luke-jr> what? put it in bzr
06:56 <Lucifer> sure, after the release
06:57 <luke-jr> is someone going to have a problem with a little humour in a 0.3 release?
06:57 <Lucifer> I'll commit it locally, then push right after I release
06:57 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer sure, i'll get to it when i can
06:57 <DrJoeTron> give me a few minutes
06:57 <Lucifer> I don't think anybody will complain, I'd just like to surprise a few people ;)
06:57 <luke-jr> good enough
06:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: so we need to wipe the logs here?
06:57 <GodTodd> and our asses probably
06:58 <Lucifer> come on, 0.3.1 has a gcc -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway check in configure, and -DLUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS
06:58 <luke-jr> XD
06:58 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yeah, but anybody who's here can see it anyway
06:58 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: for added surprise, draw a second one for and email it to z-man, ask him to wait until the last possible moment to put it in there
06:59 <Lucifer> if that doesn't motivate him to release, nothing will :/
06:59 <luke-jr> ROFL
06:59 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:00  * luke-jr would not personally go along with putting it in a stable release, but who knows what z-man will do ;p
07:00 <GodTodd> motherfucker it's cold in here :(
07:00 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
07:00 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 38.8°F (12:00 AM CST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising).
07:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I still think LUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS needs to be a run-time remote-triggerable option
07:00 <Lucifer> oh come on, if DrJoeTron (hi there!) never comes back, we'll have a little memorial for him
07:00 <luke-jr> with some kind of hidden DISABLE_ALWAYS_WINS to "fix" it
07:00 <Lucifer> no, that should just make it print "Round Winner: Disable"
07:01 <Lucifer> I have to admit the pranking possibilities are tempting
07:03  * Lizz pranks loocceeee
07:03 <Lucifer> hey, when did she get here?
07:03 <Lizz> awhile ago.. how u be?
07:03 <Lucifer> heh, doing good
07:03 <Lizz> :) good to hear
07:04 <Lucifer> you?
07:04 <Lizz> mm.. nothing i wanna get into in main .. u know how it goes
07:04 <luke-jr> Lizz: if you heard anything, stfu and keep it quiet
07:04 <Lucifer> heh
07:04 <Lizz> oh honey i always do
07:04 <luke-jr> <.<
07:05 <Lizz> mwah luke babeh!
07:05 <Lucifer> she's the queen of quiet
07:05 <Lucifer> the sultan of silence
07:05 <Lucifer> the diva of don't-talk
07:05 <Lizz> the ho of horror
07:05 <Lucifer> sure you're not the hor of horror?
07:05  * Lucifer ducks
07:06 <Lizz> maybe.. wanna find out? come to my dungeon ;)
07:06 <Lucifer> heh
07:06 <Lizz> :P
07:06 <Lucifer> oh hell, I'm not married anymore
07:06 <Lizz> O.o
07:06 <Lizz> really? o.O
07:06 <Lizz> im sry
07:07 <Lucifer> eh?  it's really more congratulations than condolences
07:07 <Lucifer> really
07:07 <Lizz> k.. well.. we are in same boat i guess >.>
07:07 <luke-jr> is it sinking?
07:07 <Lizz> nope.. not now
07:08 <Lucifer> it's a lifeboat, the other ship is sinking and we've left it?
07:08 <Lizz> yup
07:09 <Lizz> SS Marriage.. thats the sinking ship
07:09 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:09  * Lizz licks Joe babeh
07:09 <luke-jr> I'm still grasping at corks to plug the holes
07:09 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer give me a bit and i'll try and make the splash screens
07:09 <Lizz> fuck the holes instead luke
07:09 <Lucifer> hey DrJoeTron (hi there!) , tell us you've had luck with love ;)
07:10 <DrJoeTron> it was with GodTodd
07:10 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: sure.  :)  You want to email them to me?
07:10 <DrJoeTron> etc
07:10 <luke-jr> ………..
07:10 <DrJoeTron> whatever will work
07:10 <DrJoeTron> email will be fine
07:10 <luke-jr> CC me!
07:11 <Lizz> u still eating our children Joe?
07:11 <DrJoeTron> prolly
07:11 <Lizz> good
07:11 <Lucifer> no, don't CC luke!
07:11 <Lucifer> make him wait until the actual release ;)
07:11 <GodTodd> who was with me?
07:11 <Lucifer> you remember my email address?
07:11 <DrJoeTron> you can PM me it if you'd like (nope)
07:13 <GodTodd> #quote get 83
07:13 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #83: "<Lizmatic> wtfzomg ady-lucifer and lucifer aren't the same guys?! !!!?!"" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:57 PM, December 16, 2008)
07:13 <GodTodd> errr
07:13 <GodTodd> #quote get 86
07:13 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #86: "<luke-jr> I'm still grasping at corks to plug the holes" (added by GodTodd at 07:12 AM, January 07, 2009)
07:13 <Lucifer> #quote get 85
07:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #85: "i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:06 AM, January 07, 2009)
07:13 <Lucifer> hey, quote 83 was the last one in 2008
07:14 <GodTodd> #quote get 84
07:14 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #84: "<cusco> #quote search *cusco*  <armabot> cusco: No matching quotes were found." (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:54 PM, December 19, 2008)
07:14 <GodTodd> nope
07:14 <GodTodd> that one was
07:14 <Lucifer> oh, heh
07:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer: -.-
07:15 <GodTodd> #whoami
07:15 <@armabot> GodTodd: GodTodd
07:15 <Lucifer> #whoareyou
07:15 <@armabot> Lucifer: What do you think?
07:16 <GodTodd> #whythefuckamiprocrastinatingthischapter
07:16 <GodTodd> heh
07:16 <DrJoeTron> nerd
07:16 <Lucifer> #nerd
07:17 <Lucifer> hmm, what's the variable for armabot to say the user's name?
07:17 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron, don't talk that way about yourself
07:17 <GodTodd> $who?
07:17 <luke-jr> #echo [whoami]
07:17 <@armabot> Luke-Jr
07:17 <Lucifer> #nerd
07:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.
07:17 <luke-jr> #help nerd
07:17 <@armabot> luke-jr: (nerd <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $nick: I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.".
07:18 <DrJoeTron> alright I gotta run, good seeing you guys again :)
07:18 <DrJoeTron> and i'll see what I can do for a splash screen
07:18 <Lucifer> hey, yeah, don't stay away too long man ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> cya joe
07:18 <Lucifer> we really do miss you around here :)
07:18 <DrJoeTron> you set young men's hearts a flutter
07:18 <Lucifer> thank you, but why can't I set lizz's heart a flutter?
07:19 <DrJoeTron> ~shrug~ try harder
07:19 <GodTodd> or try being harder
07:19 <GodTodd> :D
07:19 <DrJoeTron> ^5
07:19 <Lucifer> 5^
07:19 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:19 <DrJoeTron> see ya guys
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07:19 <Lucifer> bye
07:20 <Lucifer> #m epsy hey, your version script needs to find bzr tags.  Does it?
07:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
07:31 <ct|kyle> #m guru3 AdultDatingSingles << spammer just got into the forums
07:31 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
07:44 <luke-jr> guru3: Lucifer needs a singles forum section
07:51 <Lucifer> guru3: luke-jr seems to be developing a sense of humor, can you post a news item about it?
07:52 <ct|kyle> I was thinking we should have waited for the spam for Lucifer
07:53 <luke-jr> >_<
07:54 <ct|kyle> I had the idiot tests down on CT's forms for a few hours and that registered there
07:54 <ct|kyle> about a half hour i mean
07:55 <Lucifer> that was obviously a freudian slip on your part
07:55 <ct|kyle> I took it down to put up my hack i forked of oh your idea
07:56 <Lucifer> my idea?  what was my idea?
07:56 <ct|kyle> RM oh
07:56 <luke-jr> oooh, good idea for a captcha type thing
07:56 <luke-jr> "Click the image drawn by Dr. Joe Tron"
07:56 <ct|kyle> the math capcha
07:56 <Lucifer> that was my idea?
07:56 <ct|kyle> i thought so
07:57 <ct|kyle> you probably forked it off of someone else
07:59 <Lucifer> I fear you are crediting me with an idea I didn't ahve
07:59 <Lucifer> but thanks :)
08:00 <Lucifer> I've been pushing recaptcha since I first saw it some years ago
08:01 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: ya, it was guru3
08:01 <ct|kyle> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191587#191587
08:02 <ct|kyle> only 1.24 years later i implement it into CT's forums, not bad :P
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08:08 <Lucifer> BabyBug: new autopackages on the forums
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08:55 <GodTodd> hrmm...won't let me compile 0.3.0
08:55 <GodTodd> heh
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09:07 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r759 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r758 Made sortresources also rewrite any references to resource.d... || [0.3.1] r757 Maps had a similar problem to cockpits where the dtd was imp... || [0.3.1] r756 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r755 Build work || [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets list
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09:49 <Lucifer> GodTodd: that's no surprise, 0.3.0 is old enough that it may not build on a new compiler, heh
10:08 <guru3> has anyone said that they're doing the os x builds yet?
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10:19 <Lucifer> I talked to nemo earlier today about it
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10:53 <Lizmatic> does anyone have apparitions msn/aim?
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11:22 <z-man> Begone, vile fiend!
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12:08 <z-man> Odd, where did my compilation fixes go?
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12:16 <z-man> Ah, Lucifer squashed them. Bad Lucifer!
12:16 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r760 Merging own work. || [0.3.1] Corrected uninstall script location.... || [0.3.1] Removing dead script parts....
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12:33 <z-man> Oh great, epsy's improved version script also got squashed.
12:41 <PinkTomato> I can't compile win 0.3.
12:41 <PinkTomato> 1, undefined reference to st_PrograName, so probably erlated :)
12:43 <z-man> Possibly.
13:02 <z-man> PinkTomato: ah, no. You need to add tVersion.cpp to the project file.
13:02 <z-man> and have a tTrueVersion.h file generated. It can be empty.
13:04  * z-man awaits how bazaarmagetron handles all the merging mess happening on trunk/0.3.1
13:07 <PinkTomato> z-man: update_version makes a version.h ?
13:08 <PinkTomato> update_version.bat*
13:08 <z-man> I suppose so, I haven't looked at it in a while, but it surely isn't adapted yet to epsy's new stuff.
13:08 <PinkTomato> Oh I see :)
13:09 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8759 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. . minor_version win32/README.txt): dave@davefancella.com: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings
13:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8760 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. win32/makedist.bat): dave@davefancella.com: Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too
13:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8761 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (17 files in 8 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Added camview, from voodoo
13:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8762 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. AUTHORS): dave@davefancella.com: Credited voodoo for camview
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13:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8764 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eCamera.cpp src/tron/gGame.cpp): dave@davefancella.com: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview.
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13:19 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r764 Restored version script; it too got squashed by accident.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r763 Added ylwrap to ignore list.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r762 Undid accidental copy/paste from root Makefile.am. Whoops.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r761 Redone warning fixes; Lucifer squashed them in his merge.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r760 Merging own work. || [trunk-armagetrona
13:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8765 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (23 files in 8 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
13:21 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8766 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac minor_version): dave@davefancella.com: Build work
13:22 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8767 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac src/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
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13:23 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8768 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. resource/proto/map.dtd): dave@davefancella.com: Maps had a similar problem to cockpits where the dtd was improperly referencing resource.dtd. Hopefully fixed, but I can't test it just yet
13:24 <z-man> Heh, fun :) 0.3.1 basically got copied over to the trunk.
13:24 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8769 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Made sortresources also rewrite any references to resource.dtd to the current version
13:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8770 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am src/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
13:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8771 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am Makefile.manual src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Merging own work.
13:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8772 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/cockpit/cCamview.cpp): Manuel Moos: Redone warning fixes; Lucifer squashed them in his merge.
13:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8773 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Undid accidental copy/paste from root Makefile.am. Whoops.
13:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8774 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. .bzrignore): Manuel Moos: Added ylwrap to ignore list.
13:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8775 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. batch/make/version): Manuel Moos: Restored version script; it too got squashed by accident.
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14:34 <TaZ> Are you happy now, Luke-jr? :P
14:51 <PinkTomato> why might luke-jr be relatively happier now than earlier, taz?
14:54 <PinkTomato> #si ladle 2
14:54 <@armabot> PinkTomato: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle 2” at the moment, sorry.
14:54 <PinkTomato> TaZ: like fortress?
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15:04 <TaZ> Because code payed him $40 for his late payments
15:05 <TaZ> I'm not a big fan of fortress, but I play it
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15:10 <PinkTomato> TaZ: I think luke-jr is suspicious of it
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16:06 <luke-jr> TaZ: yeah, code sent me $40 but didn't say anything or such… so now I'm suspicious as to why he sent it :þ
16:06 <luke-jr> did he change his mind, and feel $20 extra was appropriate for a late fee or something? or is he waiting for me to accept it so he can paypal-dispute it?
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17:15 <Concord> team_nonameyet
17:20 <PinkTomato> Hello Concord :)
17:20 <Concord> hiya
17:26 <madmax> #tea
17:26 <@armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): ( (P4@crazy-tronners.com), Ct_Conkord (Concord@ct), voxx1
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17:31 <z-man> Cool, I think I can get us a new trunk bzr branch with history going all the way back.
17:32 <luke-jr> z-man: without breaking the existing trunk bzr checkouts?
17:32 <z-man> No, but since there's no active hack branches going off from there, that's not too much of a trouble.
17:33 <z-man> It would be for 0.2.8, obviously.
17:33 <luke-jr> eh?
17:33 <z-man> Although a redone branch would have the advantage of being recognized a true branch going out from the trunk and not a totally different branch like it is now.
17:33 <luke-jr> I'd still suggest waiting until bzr-svn supports copies at least
17:34 <z-man> You and your copies.
17:34 <luke-jr> :þ
17:34 <z-man> Do we even have single file coplies in our svn repository?
17:35 <z-man> as far as I can tell, those coplies we have are branching or tagging copies, bzr-svn handles those fine (interprets them as branches).
17:35 <luke-jr> pretty sure, yes
17:35 <z-man> Or of course moving stuff about, which I HOPE will now be properly recognized.
17:35 <luke-jr> moving stuff about isn't supported anymore than copying is
17:36 <luke-jr> delete + add in bzr
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17:36 <luke-jr> losing all the history
17:36 <z-man> Hmm, there may be a chance that bzr-svn could translate such moves as bzr moves.
17:37 <luke-jr> bzr doesn't have moves afaik
17:37 <z-man> It does.
17:37 <luke-jr> O.o
17:37 <luke-jr> maybe I read some old docs
17:37 <z-man> maybe.
17:37 <z-man> It doesn't have copies, that's true.
17:43 <z-man> about halfway through
17:44 <luke-jr> ?
17:44 <z-man> with the new trunk test branch
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17:52 <z-man> Hmm. You're right. A "svn mv" isn't translated to a "bzr mv" by bzr-svn at the moment, even though it could. It doesn't destroy history, but it adds nasty gaps, making "bzr blame" not work correctly.
17:53 <z-man> However, the longer we wait, the more bzr merges done will get lost, because they can't be mapped to svn correctly.
17:53 <z-man> Well, guess I'll have a look at the bzr-svn source :)
17:53 <luke-jr> err, it won't let you mix the two?
17:53 <z-man> mix what?
17:54 <luke-jr> Svn and Bzr repos
17:54 <z-man> It does, but by the nature, the translation isn't perfect.
17:54 <z-man> bzr's merges contain far more metadata than svn's merges.
17:54 <luke-jr> right, but I mean
17:54 <luke-jr> for bzr commits, use them from bzr repo
17:55 <luke-jr> only convert svn when it's a svn commit
17:55 <z-man> That may be possible, but difficult.
17:55 <z-man> Typically, whenever one changes bzr-svn's translation, it will consider old converted branches diverged.
18:05 <BabyBug> lmao
18:05 <guru3> what?
18:05 <z-man> It worked :)
18:06 <BabyBug> lol guru3 shhhhh :P
18:06  * guru3 furrows brow
18:06 <z-man> I now have a bzr trunk branch going back all the way to my initial CVS commit :)
18:06 <guru3> :o cool
18:06 <guru3> but to be honest, bzr confuses me a bit
18:07 <z-man> Then just use checkouts and pretend it's svn :)
18:07 <guru3> i haven't worked out the whole difference between pull, checkout and whatever else there is
18:08 <guru3> i hope the webhost has bzr installed
18:08 <z-man> Also, there seems to be a way to put the bzr metadata into svn revprops
18:09 <guru3> they don't :<
18:09 <z-man> which would mean we can keep the current trunk metadata for the new trunk.
18:09 <guru3> that sounds good
18:09 <z-man> I think. They don't say which metadata is saved.
18:09 <guru3> i like the idea of keeping the history
18:10 <z-man> luke-jr pointed out a valid problem with file moves, though. bzr-svn doesn't translate them properly.
18:10  * z-man really goes source diving
18:10 <guru3> :D
18:10 <guru3> i haven't really done much lately
18:10 <guru3> but the online server browser is up again!
18:10 <guru3> even if it doesn't do special characters properly :/
18:10 <guru3> i think there's something with my server and hating utf-8
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18:14 <luke-jr> XD
18:14 <guru3> irc supports it
18:14 <guru3> why can't php
18:15 <luke-jr> actually, IRC does not support UTF-8
18:15 <luke-jr> are you sending the header with PHP?
18:15 <guru3> i should clarify, screen, and irssi suppor utf-8
18:16 <luke-jr> ☺
18:16 <guru3> it's not a problem on the web side, the php running in cron
18:16 <luke-jr> uh
18:16 <guru3> that loads it into a db
18:16 <luke-jr> guru3: the webserver needs to know it's UTF-8 too
18:16 <guru3> that bit doesn't work right
18:16 <luke-jr> oh
18:16 <guru3> it does
18:16 <guru3> the entire site has been utf8 for a while
18:16 <guru3> it's set in the html headers
18:17 <luke-jr> is the new server browser using wrtl's XML thing?
18:17 <luke-jr> HTTP headers trump HTML headers
18:17 <guru3> it's using his serverinfo.php
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18:18 <guru3> but i wrote the loop that does all the pinging to work with the database format that the site used to use
18:20 <luke-jr> https://answers.launchpad.net/yandere/+question/56611
18:22 <z-man> Bah. storing the bzr metadata is not implemented yet in bzr 1.3
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18:22  * z-man fetches something more current
18:22 <Concord> hi k-yo come to cafe
18:22 <guru3> and grrr
18:22 <guru3> php hell
18:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: guru3 * r8776 /www/mainsite/includes/header.php: utf8 in html header
18:29 <guru3> ok this bothers me
18:30 <guru3> the hex is correct
18:30 <guru3> the Fortress Cafe e with the accent according to hexeditor is E9
18:30 <guru3> which is the correct hex for utf8
18:30 <guru3> so why doesn't it show up right
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18:32 <TaZ> No luke-jr. He knew what he did was wrong, so he payed you. I don't know why he payed 20$ extra, but it would be good to give it back seeing as he has a new baby girl and family to take care of
18:36 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r765 The -R flag for “date” is a GNU extension. Make an RCF822 da...
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18:48 <FoFo> hello everyone
18:48 <guru3> hi
18:49 <BabyBug> hiho
18:49 <@armabot> lpbugs: [314784] batch/make/version is broken
18:55 <guru3> i think i've hunted down the problem
19:01 <guru3> hurrah the server list does utf-8 right now
19:01 <BabyBug> horrah for guru3 \o/
19:02 <guru3> http://armagetronad.net/servers.php <-- it werx! :D
19:03 <ct|kyle> guru3: nice :)
19:03 <guru3> now to get the shit on the side back
19:05 <K-Yo> .tea
19:05 <K-Yo> #tea
19:05 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): -»|appa, -»|freako, <<~luAp~>>, AshitakA, Ct_Conkord
19:06 <ct|kyle> you should add my capcha to forum registration. http://crazy-tronners.com/numgentest3.php
19:07 <guru3> "Would you beleive it? 112 servers showing online!"
19:07 <guru3> that minus looks like an equals
19:07 <K-Yo> guru3, wow
19:07 <K-Yo> guru3, do you know: http://ops.warrock.net/
19:07 <K-Yo> taht's what I hope to see in arma in few years :P
19:07 <K-Yo> but still huge work to do :P
19:08 <guru3> there was something close to that once
19:08 <guru3> but arma wasn't ready for it yet
19:08 <guru3> and it's been lost :/
19:08 <K-Yo> incredible teams/clans/players system
19:08 <ct|kyle> guru3: that is not too hard to take out the second line
19:08 <guru3> i really like my technicolor captcha
19:09 <ct|kyle> where is that?
19:09 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure
19:10 <guru3> finding it...
19:11 <guru3> argh the site it's on is broken -_-
19:11 <ct|kyle> heh
19:19 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
19:23 <K-Yo> #apropos armab
19:23 <@armabot> K-Yo: armablah
19:23 <K-Yo> #help armablah
19:23 <@armabot> K-Yo: (armablah [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armablah at the RSS feed <http://www.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?as_q=&hl=en&ctz=-60&c2coff=1&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=a&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2008&lr=lang_en&safe=active&scoring=d&q=armagetron+OR+armagetronad&ie=utf-8&num=10&output=rss>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns (1 more message)
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19:39 <TaZ> epsy
19:46 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
19:46 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 28.6°F (1:46 PM EST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Falling).
19:55  * BabyBug cuddles ct|kyle 
19:55  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
19:55 <BabyBug> What ever happened to you not cuddling me again? :P
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19:56 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: I'm just fake cuddling you, :P
19:56 <BabyBug> ><
20:01 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: LIAR
20:02 <Lizmatic> ct|kyle: good, then i'll wont have to murder you
20:13 <FoFo> lizlizliz
20:13 <FoFo> u r here?
20:14 <luke-jr> http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/your-method-to-our-madness/
20:14 <luke-jr> hey
20:14 <luke-jr> I want glowing walls!
20:15 <Concord> lol
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20:17 <Concord> hi
20:17 <MrBougo> hello
20:18 <luke-jr> MrBougo: di
20:18 <MrBougo> luke-jr: uh
20:18 <MrBougo> the roman number?
20:18 <MrBougo> the webradio?
20:24 <AshitakA>  walls on fire, you get it when you grind hard enough...
20:24 <luke-jr> omfg that would be sweet
20:25 <AshitakA>  just imagine
20:25 <luke-jr> I imagine when you hit 100 speed
20:25 <luke-jr> and you're close to a wall
20:25 <luke-jr> it catches fire
20:25 <Lizmatic> FoFo, I'm here
20:25 <luke-jr> which can spread to other nearby walls
20:25 <luke-jr> but eventually burns out
20:25 <luke-jr> and you die if you drive into the fire
20:26 <AshitakA>  yes or if you get anperfect edge grind
20:26 <TaZ> aya
20:26 <TaZ> Thanks luke-jr :)
20:26 <luke-jr> ?
20:26 <AshitakA>  like no space between walls
20:26 <luke-jr> AshitakA: there is always space
20:27 <AshitakA>  but sometimes its impossible to drive between
20:27 <Concord> only if cycle_rubber_minidistance is set >0
20:28 <AshitakA>  it depends on the grind
20:28 <Concord> well yeah that too :)
20:29 <AshitakA> concord you come to the match?
20:30 <Concord> yeah!
20:30 <AshitakA>  ok see you there
20:30 <Concord> =}
20:31 <TaZ> I need to transfer a huge file to someone (around 6 GBs), which would probably  be the fastest way to transfer it
20:31 <TaZ> ?
20:32 <luke-jr> TaZ: where?
20:32 <Concord> flashdrive :)
20:32 <luke-jr> just one person?
20:32 <TaZ> yea
20:32 <TaZ> No
20:32 <luke-jr> UDP
20:32 <TaZ> they live far away
20:32 <luke-jr> then rsync ☺
20:32 <luke-jr> actually no
20:33 <luke-jr> cut it into maybe 100 MB/file
20:33 <luke-jr> then UDP send each
20:33 <luke-jr> then MD5 check
20:33 <TaZ> ok
20:33 <TaZ> is that the fastest though?
20:33 <luke-jr> in theory, but it would be slow cuz you're doing it XD
20:33 <TaZ> -_-
20:34 <luke-jr> taking human time into account, the fastest way would probably be running a webserver and a downloader than can resume
20:34 <TaZ> I really dont feel like cutting such a big file down
20:34 <luke-jr> actually
20:34 <luke-jr> TaZ: what is your upload speed?
20:34 <TaZ> hmm let me check
20:34 <Concord> yeah go make freehostia account and upload it there or w/e
20:34 <Concord> idk, i'll shut up
20:34 <luke-jr> Concord: wtf, no
20:35 <luke-jr> ok TaZ do this
20:35 <luke-jr> split it in 2 pieces
20:35 <luke-jr> burn each to a DVD+R
20:35 <luke-jr> hop on a plane
20:35 <luke-jr> put them in the PC and recombine
20:35 <luke-jr> that's probably fastest
20:35 <TaZ> upload iss 400k
20:35 <luke-jr> yeah, use a plane
20:36 <TaZ> Online luke-jr -_
20:36 <luke-jr> -.-
20:37 <TaZ> That doesn't mean t stop throwing out ideas
20:39 <TaZ> what about MSN? xD
20:39 <Concord> put it in a flash drive and mail it
20:39 <Concord> or dvd+r or w/e
20:40 <TaZ> It needs to be delivered like..today
20:40 <epsy> ct|kyle, I can't login on your servers
20:40 <Concord> then i'd say you're in trouble
20:43 <ct|kyle> epsy: what one?
20:43 <epsy> @ls epsy
20:43 <teabot> epsy: epsy¦×¦ seems to be on CT Fortress Server - |x| vs. Random Team - Please do NOT join right now.
20:44 <ct|kyle> epsy: i think binary needs updated
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21:07 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
21:12 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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21:43 <nsh22> hey
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21:46 <nsh22> hey
21:46 <nsh22> #weather barrie
21:46 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Barrie Tall Oaks West End, Barrie, Ontario is 21.9°F (3:43 PM EST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 15.8°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Steady).
21:47 <nsh22> #g 22F in C
21:47 <@armabot> nsh22: 22 degrees Fahrenheit = -5.55555556 degrees Celsius
21:47 <nsh22> #traffic
21:49 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has joined #armagetron
21:49 <K-Yo> emmy_arma, come CT fort now ;)
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21:55 <nsh22> hey pink, my server is working
21:55 <PinkTomato> I thought it was working :)
21:55 <PinkTomato> ?
21:55 <nsh22> well, the shoting wasnt, but now it is
21:56 <epsy> "Hey it works!" "I thought it was working :S"
21:56 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
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22:19 <nsh22> hey concord
22:20 <Concord> oh hey nsh22
22:20 <Concord> I'm going to be working on school work until around 5:30, then maybe dinner, but tonight definitely
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22:25 <nsh22> kk, btw its neal
22:25 <Concord> yeah I figured by the name ^^ :D
22:25 <nsh22> :{'
22:25 <nsh22> :P*
22:26 <nsh22> do you have a teamspeak?
22:27 <TaZ> I do haha
22:27 <Concord> no, i'll leave this open tho
22:27 <nsh22> we can use mine
22:27 <nsh22> or do you not have teamspeak at all?
22:28 <TaZ> Anyone know the best program to cut files into segments on a mac
22:28 <TaZ> ?
22:28 <Concord> i could install, but I don't have a mic, so. . .
22:28 <nsh22> oh ok
22:28 <TaZ> oh its neal haha
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22:28 <TaZ> hey neal
22:28 <nsh22> haha lol
22:28 <Concord> @g cutting files into segments on a mac program free
22:28 <Concord> hey 2020
22:28 <teabot> Concord: http://www.rocketdownload.com/software/cut-mpeg.html - Cut Mpeg Free Downloads - Mpeg Splitter splits MPEG file into ...
22:28 <nsh22> <==== is a noob at programiong/developing
22:28 <davidpinto> hey
22:28 <davidpinto> hehehe
22:28 <Concord> LOL!
22:28 <davidpinto> not sure how to get my nickname
22:29 <TaZ> I mean the best program from experience
22:29 -!- davidpinto is now known as i2020
22:29 <TaZ> You making a server neal?
22:29 <i2020> wow
22:29 <nsh22> ya, i ended mine with dragonserver
22:29 <i2020> i remembered the password!
22:29 <nsh22> i m going with luke jr
22:30 <i2020> this is as close to a meeting as well get, Concord
22:30 <TaZ> oo nice
22:30 <TaZ> what happened to dragonmaster's servers?
22:30 <Concord> yeah, unless i buy a microphone,
22:30 <nsh22> i dont liek it (i think the install went bad) it wouldnt load my maps
22:31 <nsh22> and i found sum stuff about code hunter
22:31 <TaZ> ah
22:31 <epsy> hello i2020
22:31 <TaZ> omg
22:31 <TaZ> He's not a bad person
22:31 <i2020> hi epsy
22:31 <nsh22> have u seen him on armagetronad forums?
22:31 <TaZ> btw epsy, me and killer signed up for an American server...screenshots included
22:31 <TaZ> Yes, that was a year ago
22:31 <i2020> glad there are some oldie players still hacking it out
22:31 <nsh22> well, w/e
22:32 <epsy> yeah, you did even sign up two times for an american server
22:32 <TaZ> It's not like he's like that now
22:32 <nsh22> i need the support as well
22:32 <i2020> your skills must be phenomenal
22:32 <TaZ> xDD
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22:32 <nsh22> form luke jr
22:32 <PinkTomato> TaZ: are you trying to split 6GB file and then send it down a 384Kbit connection?
22:32 <TaZ> lmao, don't judge me :)
22:32 <nsh22> ew,
22:33 <TaZ> But yes, my upload speed is that
22:33 <PinkTomato> You know that will take 35 hours?
22:33 <PinkTomato> Burn it onto a DVD and send first class
22:34 <TaZ> Its more like 4 gbs
22:34 <i2020> hi g5, flex, fonkay, guru3, lucifer, madmax, wow mazuffer, and wrtlprnft if he is about...
22:34 <TaZ> I tried FTP but we ran into some problems
22:34 <PinkTomato> even more reason, It will fit on one DVD
22:34 <TaZ> it's driving me a tad bit crazy
22:34 <PinkTomato> It will take 24 Hours then
22:34 <PinkTomato> Post is faster
22:34 <TaZ> lol
22:34 <Flex> hi i2020, is that the real 2020?
22:35 <TaZ> I don't want to pay for a stamp
22:35  * TaZ waits for the cheap remarks
22:35 <PinkTomato> it is 31p!
22:35 <Lizmatic> you only get 5 cents from your mom taz, i can understand why you dont want a stamp
22:35 <PinkTomato> less hassle
22:35 <i2020> as real as we can get here....
22:35 <TaZ> oh hai Lizmatic
22:35 <PinkTomato> nsh22: did dragon give refund?
22:35 <madmax> hello i2020
22:35 <nsh22> no
22:36 <PinkTomato> aww, evil them
22:36 <madmax> long time!
22:36 <nsh22> i dont care, im not sure if code hunter had my infoavail able so i wanted to get out as soon as possible
22:36 <i2020> yeah! you still based in portugal?
22:36 <madmax> yeah
22:37 <i2020> how is your game playing?
22:37 <Concord> his is great
22:38 <PinkTomato> TaZ: I highly suggest the snail mail method
22:38 <TaZ> well you see
22:38 <TaZ> I have a lot of bad luck
22:38 <Concord> its 6gb, right?
22:38 <PinkTomato> If something goes wrong with the download it will go wrong
22:38 <madmax> pfft, played today after some weeks
22:38 <TaZ> My dvd drive broke
22:39 <PinkTomato> hmm.
22:39 <TaZ> So I'm not burning anything
22:40 <PinkTomato> You don't really have any other choice
22:40 <TaZ> The file I have is on my ipod though
22:40 <PinkTomato> DSL is just not up to transferring it
22:40 <TaZ> I'll just send the ipod to my friend
22:40 <PinkTomato> that's a good idea, haven't you got a USB file sticky thingy?
22:40 <PinkTomato> whatever the latest name for them is now?
22:40 <TaZ> I'm cheap :D
22:40 <TaZ> haha
22:41 <TaZ> I just recently got a usb stick thoough
22:41 <TaZ> It's not enough to hold that much data
22:41 <i2020> hope to see you on the grid some time....
22:41 <PinkTomato> TaZ: Hard Drives are easily damaged
22:41 <i2020> we'll see how it goes... not sure if i will catch the bug again...
22:42 <PinkTomato> espically iPod ones, sending in the post would be unwise
22:42 <i2020> but concord has it bad...
22:42 <TaZ> it's an old one
22:42 <PinkTomato> USB Stick how big is yours?
22:42 <Concord> ha
22:42 <TaZ> i have no use for it anymore
22:42 <PinkTomato> well it's just it'll need a lot of padding
22:43 <Concord> you'll catch it after one big cafe round
22:43 <PinkTomato> it'll cost a tiny bit to post
22:43 <i2020> heheheh
22:43 <i2020> what's the state of play regarding making vids?
22:44 <i2020> has it been facilitated?
22:44  * nsh22 is going to make dinner, bbl
22:44 <TaZ> hmm
22:44 <TaZ> i hope not a lot
22:45 <Concord> em, aarec is still the format, I've tried to but there isn't a good free program available for macs
22:46 <PinkTomato> oh 2020 video person!
22:46 <Concord> what would be great would be a converter from aarec to ...
22:46 <Concord> lol
22:46 <PinkTomato> I saw the videos hehe :)
22:46 <Concord> were considering streaming online for matches
22:46 <i2020> i had to buy some software to record a playback... bit of a hassle..
22:46 <PinkTomato> we were, or we are?
22:46 <i2020> PinkTomato: :)
22:47 <Concord> having a spectator set up 2 cameras like in those old local games
22:47 <Concord> have them be fixed cameras and adjust them on either end of the fortress
22:47 <Concord> for a broadcast
22:47 <Concord> we're still working on getting it from the recorder to the streaming
22:47 <Concord> I don't we'll be able to do it with aa recorder
22:47 <Concord> but with a video capture it will be possible
22:48 <Concord> also, its now possible to have a server generate a grid image
22:48 <i2020> um... sorry... you want to stream a game?
22:48 <PinkTomato> Why?
22:48 <Concord> yeah
22:48 <PinkTomato> can't you just spectate it?
22:48 <PinkTomato> it would use less bandwidth
22:48 <PinkTomato> = less lag for the players
22:48 <i2020> grid image?
22:48 <Concord> if this gets going we can't have 1,048,560 spectators
22:49 <i2020> hehehe
22:49 <PinkTomato> but it will still use less bandwidth :)
22:49 <Concord> its a server generate image every x seconds, which can be uploaded live
22:49 <i2020> that's future proof visioning for you...
22:49 <Concord> like a animated map
22:49 <PinkTomato> I think If we could generate 1,000,000 players
22:49 <PinkTomato> someone would make a relay
22:49 <Concord> P4 has it going for his styball
22:49 <Concord> i'll find the link
22:50 <i2020> wait a mo... if we have one stream, can't we simply use mirrors, and let players alter what camera view they have... that is, to spectate in a streamed version
22:50 <Concord> exactly, its the same for the server as just having 1 spec
22:51 <i2020> that's it... but why this notion of having two fixed cameras?
22:51 <i2020> surely players should be able to move the camera around, follow other players etc...
22:51 <Concord> oh, that was just a scenario for when one couldn't choose his camera angle
22:51 <i2020> ah
22:51 <i2020> also like the idea that someone could have multiple cameras set up
22:51 <Concord> in the case that a spectator video captures the match and he streams it
22:51 <PinkTomato> I would how an FPS spectator camera would work
22:52 <i2020> and they could compile an ongoing commentary of the game, like a director of a football game
22:52 <PinkTomato> Team spectator message :
22:52 <PinkTomato> :)
22:52 <Concord> yep, stream the video and audio
22:53 <Concord> perhaps two commentators
22:53 <i2020> but i suspect that may be something which designers can produce later on... once large enough player figures manifest
22:53 <Concord> this would be for maybe the quaterfinals onward
22:53 <Concord> in a scenario with >512 teams or something
22:53 <i2020> for now, i just need a simple recording, playback, i guess i have the software to record the games and then edit it
22:53 <i2020> yeah, i guess i have the necessary stuff...
22:53 <PinkTomato> Team Fortress 2 wouldn't be able to cough up 1,000,000 Players, so i'm wondering how we would do it?
22:54 <i2020> tf2?
22:54 <Concord> ok, I'll make one tonight and send it to you
22:54 <Concord> its some other game
22:54 <Concord> because fortress is better than that game
22:54 <Concord> by far
22:54 <i2020> may i say at this point that i am amazed at the vitality of your blog, concord, as well as the others who are contributing
22:55 <Concord> don't tell anyone this, but I'm a bit suprised too,
22:55 <Concord> oh wait we're in a 39 person channel *oops* lol
22:55 <PinkTomato> xD
22:55 <i2020> i mentioned it to two colleagues, and they started to get excited... i may even persuade them to play the game
22:55 <i2020> hehehe
22:56 <akira_arma> 2020 :O
22:56 <akira_arma> .tea
22:56 <akira_arma> @tea
22:56 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:57 <i2020> time for tea?
22:57 <i2020> its a bot, isn't it?
22:57 <PinkTomato> @tea
22:57 <teabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:57 <Concord> http://armagetron.pl/ is p4's grid image of sty
22:57 <akira_arma> fortress guys
22:57 <akira_arma> cafe?=
22:57 <Concord> I'm half-working , right now
22:58 <i2020> i'm game...:)
22:59 <Concord> tho I could take a break
22:59 <i2020> i find the team flag game good as well
22:59 <akira_arma> ugh
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22:59 <akira_arma> ;)
23:00 <i2020> though they have changed the settings a little which makes for a little lag-interrupt
23:00 <i2020> mentally, that is
23:01 <Concord> @tea
23:01 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), plop, |x| Raiden
23:02 <Flex> i2020, where have you been?!
23:03 <i2020> hehhe in the real world
23:07 <ct|kyle> i2020: The arma world is better than that
23:07 <TaZ> :o pinktomatos
23:07 <TaZ> Pinktomato *
23:08 <PinkTomato> TaZ: ?
23:08 <TaZ> Whatever happened to our server idea?
23:08 <PinkTomato> TaZ: ran out of time
23:10 <TaZ> aww
23:10 <i2020> it is indeed
23:10 <i2020> though i spent 3 months on a thailand beach and i can say that it pretty neat too
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23:13 <Concord> @tea
23:14 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): archetype, Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), MRZ3r}@, plop
23:14 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ...
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23:17 <Flex> i2020, nice
23:18 <TaZ> Will we ever get started on it again Pinktomato?
23:19 <i2020> heheh can't play and do this irc thing
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23:20 <i2020> wow thanks Concord ... good to play after so long
23:30 <guru3> z-man: Lucifer: think that one thread should be locked?
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23:45 <z-man> guru3: I don't care. It's not as if it's going to turn into a flamewar anytime soon.
23:45 <z-man> And while it is an x internal affair, outside comments can still be allowed.
23:46 <guru3> that's roughly what i was thinking
23:46  * z-man is actively avoiding to read the x forums
23:46 <guru3> i don't read other tron forums
23:47 <guru3> it's a fatal flaw
23:47 <z-man> nah.
23:47 <guru3> but really, i don't see how i can be ordered to lock a thread like that guy is trying
23:47 <z-man> If people want something from us, they can post on our forums.
23:48 <z-man> that's another reason :) He's in no position to demand a lock.
23:48 <ct|kyle> I vote for Dr. Jot to hijack it
23:48 <z-man> Err, she?
23:48 <ct|kyle> joe*
23:48 <guru3> ct|kyle: that's an excellent idea
23:49 <guru3> and i have no clue what sex any of them are
23:50 <Concord> @tea
23:51 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): CtxWoned, CT_emmy, fingerbib, juice keeper, Pink Tomatoes, plop, slowpoke, |XC| Freeze, |x| $ubzero, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~|JS|~, ¦×¦ Hoax
23:59 <nsh22> back

Log from 2009-01-08:
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00:04 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has joined #armagetron
00:04 <nsh22> hey smooth
00:06 <smoothice> nsh22; hi.... you are?
00:06 <nsh22> neal
00:06 <smoothice> ah... ok... hi
00:06 <nsh22> i ended my server
00:07 <nsh22> . H . e . l . l . o . nsh22 . H . e . l . l . o .
00:07 <nsh22> lol
00:07 <nsh22>  ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Hello nsh22  ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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00:07 <nsh22> x\xxxxxx\xxxxxxx\xxxx\x8 nsh22 \xxxg
00:07 <nsh22> xx\xxxxxx*xxxxxxx*xxxx\* nsh22 x\x...m
00:07 <nsh22> xxx*xSweetxxxxxDreamsx *  nsh22 x*xc
00:07 <nsh22> ???
00:07 <nsh22> ... ((( nsh22 ))) ... nsh22 gives nsh22 a happy to see ya hug! ... ((( nsh22 ))) ...
00:08 <nsh22> 'P'Ô'ü'Ñ'Ç'ë' nsh22 Tackles nsh22 in a great BIG hug!! 'P'Ô'ü'Ñ'Ç'ë'
00:08 <smoothice> nsh22: why ended?
00:08 <nsh22> becaue i dont like the host. i think the install was bad on it and there was barely any configs
00:08 <nsh22> want something??! MtDew !..!Sprite!..! COke~..! 7°UP !..... ! Pepsi !... Diet ...!Dr.Pepr!...!Grape!...!RtBeer!...!Bud !....... !Bud lite!....!COORS®!
00:08 <smoothice> what host?
00:08 <nsh22> dragonservers
00:08 <smoothice> o
00:09 <smoothice> ok
00:09 <nsh22> . H . e . l . l . o . smoothice . H . e . l . l . o .
00:09 <Flex> z-man, i don't think she's demanding for a lock, i don't see that anywhere.. i think she's requesting one so to speak.
00:09 <Flex> doesn't need a lock, you're right
00:10 <z-man> yeah, I was just formulating it that way for emphasis :)
00:10 <Flex> so it looks bad? you evil person
00:11 <Flex> jk, but yes it's an x internal affair.. but the server was hijacked by epsy so this isn't x server we're talking about anymore, i think
00:11 <Flex> i made a post!
00:14 <nsh22> nice
00:15 <Flex> wrtlprnft needs to make it clear and resolve this issue, because i don't think we all know exactly who's server it is anymore, so we're arguing over rights that might not be ours faily. if that's the case, then we'll stop everything and whoever is in charge can say the final say and we'll move on. with that said, then if epsy believes he owns the server, it shouldn't be labeled as x server.
00:15 <Flex> because it's clearly creating these types of drama..
00:18 <PinkTomato> why did english become the preferred language?
00:18 <PinkTomato> (of the world)
00:18  * madmax loves tron drama
00:18 <PinkTomato> it is too irregular
00:18 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, The british empire? (guess)
00:19 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Yeah, my/our fault i guess :)
00:19 <Flex> english is for stupid people, i prefer Mandarin
00:19  * BabyBug isn't British
00:19 <PinkTomato> thats why i made it a choice :)
00:20 <PinkTomato> To be fair, wales had no power when britian did what it did.
00:20 <Flex> what is wales?
00:20 <PinkTomato> Flex: I would like to learn mandarian if it wasn't so bloody difficult! :D
00:22 <BabyBug> Wales is a country...
00:22 <smoothice> prove it
00:22 <PinkTomato> go to maps.google.com
00:22 <nsh22> lol
00:22 <smoothice> lol
00:22 <PinkTomato> scroll right a bit
00:22 <Flex> maps.google.com, says no
00:22 <smoothice> #myip
00:23 <@armabot> smoothice:
00:23 <smoothice> muahahaha
00:23 <PinkTomato> umm...
00:23  * nsh22 hacks smooths ip and puts hi on the screen
00:23 <PinkTomato> well wales is a country
00:23 <PinkTomato> Just accept it :)
00:24 <smoothice> nah
00:24 <smoothice> lol
00:24 <nsh22> it WAS a country, it is now part of Great Britain so therefore part of the united kingdom
00:24  * smoothice mehs at nsh22
00:24 <BabyBug> wrong nsh22
00:24 <PinkTomato> A Kingdom is a group of countries
00:24 <nsh22> lol
00:25 <PinkTomato> The whole United bit
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00:25 <nsh22> im not up on my british history (even tho we are part of the commonwealth
00:25 <PinkTomato> You need more than one country to be united :)
00:25 <Flex> Lizmatic, wo ai ni, mei yi ye.
00:25 <BabyBug> Wales is not part of the UK!
00:25 <smoothice> nsh22: commonwealth schmmonwealth
00:25 <nsh22> i agree
00:26 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: How is it not?
00:26 <Flex> Gu dan de wo, xiang nian shui, shui ming bai?
00:26 <BabyBug> Proof ---> http://www2.meridiantv.com/itvlocal_docs/uploads/flags.jpg
00:26 <BabyBug> xD
00:26 <smoothice> nsh22: prove it
00:26  * nsh22 is referncing the post on arma
00:27 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: OK, you have a fair point :)
00:27 <BabyBug> ^^
00:27 <BabyBug> and we were missed out on the map of europe that one time =x
00:27 <Flex> that part of UK, simply belongs to England..
00:27 <Flex> wasn't even a fight
00:27 <smoothice> PinkTomato: no response from vaserv :/
00:28 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Like I said, just go for it ;)
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00:28 <nsh22> 6 ppl so far are joining the tronic bowl (acccording to my fb group)
00:28 <PinkTomato> only 250 to go
00:28 <nsh22> lol
00:28 <PinkTomato> i won't Join a facebook group, then you would be able to see my face ;)
00:28 <nsh22> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=34135542763
00:28 <nsh22> go join
00:29 <nsh22> NOW lol
00:29 <nsh22> jkjk
00:29 <nsh22> lol then join the event
00:29 <nsh22> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=43719975797
00:30 <smoothice> meh
00:30 <nsh22> or do what i did and change my pic to a cartoon
00:30 <PinkTomato> but then you'll still see my face...
00:30 <nsh22> ^
00:30 <nsh22> ||
00:30 <PinkTomato> But then people will think I'm a cartoon
00:30 <nsh22> so? we play a cartoon
00:30 <nsh22> ho wmany players are going to be in this?
00:31 <nsh22> nvm, 512
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01:10 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that's basically what I told taz too
01:11 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I'ld be suprised if you had a facebook by will :)
01:12 <nsh22> lke, did u seee codehunters control panel?
01:12 <nsh22> luke*
01:14 <luke-jr> nsh22: yeah, and he claims he's just a happy customer, not the hoster
01:14 <nsh22> ya i saw that
01:14 <luke-jr> and for the record, he did make good on the $20
01:15 <nsh22> i deactivated my server and changed my info just incase he does have access to my info
01:15 <nsh22> oh well thats good
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01:15 <nsh22> finnally shamed him into it?
01:20 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: did you reach a resolution though?
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01:30 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yeah
01:30 <luke-jr> nsh22: nah, supposedly he changed his mind on his own
01:30 <luke-jr> nsh22: he sent me $40 for some reason; I refunded haldf
01:31 <luke-jr> taz implied/said he's trying to do some kind of reform
01:31 <PinkTomato> ah I see :)
01:31 <luke-jr> he made good, so I'm ok with that
01:40 <nsh22> ya taz keeps  saying hes changing t6o a better person
01:40  * nsh22 has ate untill he feels sick, again
01:44 <smoothice> nsh22: lol
01:46 <Concord> lol
01:57 <Concord> pinktomato you still around tonight
01:58 <PinkTomato> For about 10mins to an hour :)
01:59 <Concord> ok, cya there, is it on the master list, or private?
01:59 <PinkTomato> Ah, did you want me to set it up the rotation now? or just test the settings?
02:00 <Concord> just test the settings
02:00 <PinkTomato> OK :). copying settings now
02:01 <Concord> okiedokie
02:01 <Concord> :I
02:01 <Concord> no capital I, ah
02:01 <smoothice> Who says okiedokie anymore?
02:01 <smoothice> lol
02:02  * Concord does
02:02  * smoothice says "Ok... w/e"
02:02 <Concord> okiedokie thats swell
02:02  * ct|kyle says okiedokie
02:02  * smoothice meh
02:02 <ct|kyle> :P
02:02 <Concord> looks like you are the only fellow around these parts that does not
02:03 <smoothice> nsh22 doesn't
02:03 <Concord> 1nd thing 2st
02:04 <smoothice> 3st
02:04 <smoothice> lol
02:04 <smoothice> 3rd
02:04 <smoothice> 3st
02:04 <Concord> 9rd
02:04 <Concord> 9rd=nerd
02:04 <Concord> 2th=tooth
02:04 <smoothice> LOL!
02:04 <Concord> 4st=forest
02:04 <smoothice> 4est
02:04 <Concord> fourst
02:04 <Concord> eh
02:04 <ct|kyle> have them pick from a list randomly
02:05 <ct|kyle> once picked take it out, reset the list at EOM
02:05 <smoothice> #alias add fourest say 4st!
02:05 <ct|kyle> or start of Round 1
02:05 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
02:05 <smoothice> #fourest
02:05 <@armabot> 4st!
02:05 <Concord> #alias add forest say 4st
02:06 <@armabot> Concord: The operation succeeded.
02:06 <Concord> #forest
02:06 <@armabot> 4st
02:06 <smoothice> #alias remove fourest
02:06 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
02:06 <smoothice> #fourest
02:06 <Concord> #alias add nerd say 9rd
02:06 <@armabot> Concord: The operation succeeded.
02:06 <Concord> #alias add tooth say 2th
02:06 <@armabot> Concord: The operation succeeded.
02:06  * PinkTomato does not understand what you are doing.
02:06 <smoothice> #alias add TheCord say that's Concord
02:06 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
02:07 <smoothice> #TheCord
02:07 <@armabot> that's Concord
02:07 <Concord> lol
02:07 <PinkTomato> @i18n tooth. Isn't it already exist?
02:07 <teabot> PinkTomato: t4. I3t it a5y e4?
02:07 <Concord> you #nerd
02:07 <smoothice> #nerd you are, Concord!
02:07 <@armabot> 9rd
02:07 <Concord> it has to be first eh?
02:07 <Concord> anyway. . .
02:07 <smoothice> yeah
02:08 <PinkTomato> Concord: Sorry, I was copying the wrong files
02:08 <smoothice> #alias add YouAreANerd You are a nerd, $1.
02:08 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
02:08 <smoothice> #YouAreANerd Concord
02:08 <smoothice> #YouAreANerd Concord
02:08 <Concord> lol, np we can just try, later if you have to go
02:09 <nsh22> wtf did i miss
02:09 <smoothice> lol
02:12 <Concord> not much
02:13 <PinkTomato> #sd "S P O R K"
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02:16 <PinkTomato> #sd S%20P%20O%20R%20K
02:16 <PinkTomato> Concord: up and running :)
02:16 <PinkTomato> armabot is just being stroppy with me
02:17 <Concord> kk whats it called
02:17 <ct|kyle> #armaservers
02:17 <PinkTomato> S P O R K
02:17 <@armabot> ct|kyle: This data is 46 seconds old; -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (11/12), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (9/12), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (8/10), Birdy's Nest (Oddest Version Of Loose DF) (7/8), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (7/10), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (7/14), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6/12), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d (2 more messages)
02:18 <ct|kyle> #si S P O R K
02:18 <@armabot> ct|kyle: S P O R K: Players (1/26): Pink Tomatoes (Pink\_Tomatoes@forums)
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02:19 <ct|kyle> Concord: ^^
02:19 <Concord> kk
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02:24 <nsh22> wher3 r we meeting concord
02:24 <Concord> pink tomatoes spork server, is where i am atm
02:25 <Lucifer> guru3: heh, no, lock it when it degenerates into a big-time flame war, but it probably won't
02:25 <nsh22> kk ill be ther ub a while
02:26 <Concord> kk
02:27 <ct|kyle> it's gone far enough for the dr to get a call though :D
02:28 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: !
02:28 <PinkTomato> :)
02:28 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: ?
02:28 <luke-jr> nsh22: u know I see email long before forum PM
02:29 <Lucifer> hey, in that thread where you were talking about alpha2, your problems installing, were they from the tarball?
02:29 <PinkTomato> sorry for my rudeness, I tested your patch,
02:30 <PinkTomato> it seemed that the input was ahead of graphics?
02:30 <PinkTomato> I need to test that on 0.2.8, sounds like a rubbish machine i was using
02:30 <PinkTomato> Regarding windows build, I used Bzr.
02:31 <PinkTomato> Compiling the release version failed
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02:31 <PinkTomato> had the underscore problem i said earlier
02:31 <PinkTomato> but the debug did not have this, so couldn't make a check
02:32 <Lucifer> ah, afaik, nobody's updated the 0.3.1 branch for the windows build
02:32 <Lucifer> I can't yet because I can't run the makedist.bat file (or any batch file) in wine
02:33 <PinkTomato> yeah, I had to add files, and I couldn't get the versioning correct
02:33 <PinkTomato> but it was compiling so i was happy :)
02:33 <Lucifer> there's two new files added that might make the windows build break anyway
02:33 <Lucifer> camview :)
02:33 <PinkTomato> camview worked :)
02:34 <Lucifer> I'm considering finding a pirated windows to put in a vm and see what I can come up with
02:34 <Lucifer> hmmm, maybe camview has been added to the project and I didn't notice it?  ;)
02:34  * Lucifer didn't read his commit emails yet
02:35 <Lucifer> oh hell, I"m not reading those commit emails, I'll look at the log instead
02:37 <Lucifer> heh
02:39 <nsh22> hey lucife
02:41 <Lucifer> hi nsh22 (hi there!)
02:41 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: does it sound wierd to you that the debug hasen't got a fault?
02:41 <nsh22> howdid the recruiter go today?
02:41 <Lucifer> debug build in windows?
02:41 <PinkTomato> the debug build is fine
02:41 <Lucifer> nsh22: didn't happen, I managed to sleep in until really late for no good reason
02:41 <PinkTomato> release is what fails
02:41 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: the debug build IN WINDOWS?
02:41 <nsh22> oh
02:41 <nsh22> that sucks
02:42 <PinkTomato> Sorry, duidn't make that clear, talking windows at the moment
02:42 <Lucifer> nsh22: yeah, I felt dumb waking up at 5pm
02:42 <nsh22> 5pm ? when u go to bed?
02:42 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: heh, I had to clarify it, I've seen too many people refer to an alpha package as a debug build ;)
02:42 <Lucifer> nsh22: 4am
02:42 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
02:42 <nsh22> thats.... 11 hours
02:43 <Lucifer> Umm, I don't know why there would be a difference, but the one you noted is a where input seems to happen way before you see it graphically?
02:43 <Lucifer> that sounds like you might need to fool with gl settings
02:43 <Lucifer> glFlush comes to mind, I don't remember where the option is
02:43 <nsh22> are you going to see him tomorrow?
02:44 <Lucifer> but see, it's an unstable release, so we might want to release it as a debug build anyway so we can get backtraces :)
02:44 <Lucifer> nsh22: don't know, I'm going to use my telephone tomorrow
02:44 <Lucifer> why are you so concerned with what I do for work?  heh
02:44 <PinkTomato> It was 40MB big :), not excactly host friendly :)
02:44 <nsh22> ok. well, gl
02:44  * Lucifer also woke up to an email expressing interest in my resume
02:44 <nsh22> i dunno
02:45 <nsh22> i r very borred atm. i have two choice, do french homework or ramble on in irc and team speak
02:52 <Concord> neal, I can play now, or later, I only have 23 min remaining on battery, but I'll have more later
02:53 <nsh22> ok
02:53 <Concord> ok to what?
02:53 <nsh22> to playing
02:53 <Concord> now?
02:53 <nsh22> sure
02:53 <Concord> kk
02:54 <nsh22> where? spork?
02:55 <Concord> pink tomatos fortress
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03:15 <dlh> damn I hate sed
03:15 <ct|kyle> #bzr
03:15 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1 (bzr >= 1.4)
03:17 <Lucifer> dlh: I reverted the version script and just pushed it
03:17 <Lucifer> it's only needed to generate reasonable version numbers for bzr builds, we don't need it to work right for 0.3.1, at least
03:17 <Lucifer> we don't need epsy's changes in 0.3.1, we need it to work like the older version :)
03:18 <dlh> Yeah, it was a bad time to make that change
03:18 <Lucifer> so whenever it doesn't work again (because somebody will probably merge the broken trunk version back to it)
03:18 <Lucifer> heh, not so much a bad time to make it, more like a change made badly
03:18 <Lucifer> epsy's fixed it like 3 times now, and it still doesn't work
03:20 <dlh> where did you push it to, 0.3.1?
03:20 <Lucifer> yeah, that's all I'm working with right now
03:20 <Lucifer> it's revision 766
03:24 <Lucifer> that script really needs to be rewritten in python, I think
03:24 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress
03:24 <Lucifer> the windows batch file still needs to be updated, and I'd just as soon move all of our build shell scripts to python scripts
03:25 <dlh> Lucifer: i was thinking the same thing
03:25 <Lucifer> so that we don't need separate bash/bat scripts
03:25 <dlh> too much to juggle all the differences between gnu/other toolchains too.
03:25 <Lucifer> yeah :)
03:26 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: what is the difference between file.THIS file.OTHER and file.BASE when bzr merge has errors
03:26 <ct|kyle> (hi there)
03:26 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: beats me
03:26 <Lucifer> one is the old file, one the file you have, and one is probably a copy of the file with the conflicts marked
03:27 <Lucifer> the current file will have the conflicts marked with >>>>>>>>>>>>>  and <<<<<<<<<<<<<
03:28 <dlh> You should have a LEFT and RIGHT version. Use a gui tool to merge the changes. It is easier to visualize that way.
03:29 <Lucifer> mac users and their gui tools....
03:29 <ct|kyle> ya i'musing gui tool just don't know where to put changes are what should be the final code
03:29 <dlh> or you can use emacs
03:29 <dlh> :)
03:29 <ct|kyle> ya I read that
03:29 <dlh> but FileMerge.app is nice
03:29 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace || 42 of the Best Free Linux Games - LinuxLinks News
03:29  * Lucifer just wants the conflict syntax highlighted
03:30 <ct|kyle> it must be .BASE that you put the changes into
03:33 <Lucifer> ok, I'm going to rewrite the sortresources shell script to a python script and eliminate it
03:33 <Lucifer> then makedist.bat will become a python script too ;)
03:33  * Lucifer wants to build a windows release with wine
03:33 <ct|kyle> heh
03:34 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game || Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac || Armagetron Advanced || Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure
03:35 <dlh> er...
03:35 <Lucifer> what's broke now?  ;)
03:36 <BabyBug> packages worked ok Lucifer =)
03:36 <Lucifer> BabyBug: cool, thanks :)
03:37 <Lucifer> so you're not getting the crash in the server browser that you get when you build from source?
03:37 <BabyBug> I can't build from source. configure checks to make sure you're NOT running the release candidate now
03:37 <Lucifer> I find the biggest problem in writing utility scripts is figuring out what to name them
03:38 <Lucifer> no, I mean, from when you were able to
03:38 <BabyBug> UtilScript1
03:38 <Lucifer> i.e. no code changes have been made to fix that bug, just that check in configure added to ensure nobody can build it
03:38 <BabyBug> ^^
03:39 <BabyBug> Oh right sorry i misread the question completely
03:39 <BabyBug> No it doesn't crash =)
03:39 <Lucifer> :)  thank you
03:39  * dlh is building 0.3.1 alpha2 now
03:39 <BabyBug> and the characters are displayed correctly aswell
03:39 <Lucifer> that hopefully means that I've successfully linked ftgl statically, so we can worry about that bug some other time
03:40 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to call it copyresources.py
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03:49 <Flex> I'd like to build window releases, but I can't seem to figure it out.. or I would keep it updated.
03:50 <Lucifer> right now the windows build system is missing things
03:50 <Lucifer> as usual, heh
03:50 <Flex> it's been like that a while, i think
03:50 <Lucifer> more than likely, we lost our full-time windows developer some time ago
03:51 <dlh> I'm going to do a date-versioned 0.3.1 release right now. Some things have changed since the 0.3.1_alpha2 tag.
03:51 <Lucifer> ko
03:52 <Lucifer> I'll see if I can make enough changes to where I can build a windows release in wine, then maybe in another day or so we can alpha ffor all three platforms together :)
03:53 <Flex> if you explain how you did it exactly, i can copy and maybe help out.. i wanted to a while ago..
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03:53 <Flex> right now, there's no proper way to do it, you've just got to figure it out yourself, and when i tried, i failed
03:54 <Lucifer> there is a proper way to do it
03:54 <dlh> I'm glad I automated the release process for aabeta. It is a pain to do it manually.
03:54 <dlh> now if only sourceforge releases could be automated...
03:55 <Flex> it's out dated or something.. i think i had library or something along those lines.
03:55 <Flex> issue^
04:05 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r768 No tTrueVersion.h when using Xcode. || [0.3.1] r767 Add missing files... || [0.3.1] r766 Reverted to working version of version script
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04:46 <Concord> dlh did you build work
04:46 <dlh> yes, it is on aabeta
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04:51 <dlh> Concord: http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3
04:51 <Concord> nice, I got my trunk build to work, don't know if you saw
04:51 <dlh> I did not. :)
04:51 <Concord> thanks for all the help :D
04:53 <dlh> NP. Sorry for all the difficulties. :S
04:54 <Lucifer> grrr, I think I opened a can of worms, heh
04:57 <dlh> with the resource sorting script?
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05:02 <Lucifer> yeah
05:02 <Lucifer> it's not the script itself that's a can of worms
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07:25 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8782 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: removed broken build
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08:11 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r649 Merging with 0.2.8.* r975
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08:40 <Lucifer> epsy: ping
08:40 <epsy> dlh: ping :°
08:41 <epsy> woop, time to run xmodmap
08:41 <Lucifer> xmodmap?
08:42 <epsy> yeah, you know numbers are obtained using shift on a french keyboard?
08:42 <dlh> pong
08:43 <epsy> is bzr out of your $PATH ?
08:43 <dlh> no. that wouldn't be very useful :)
08:43 <Lucifer> heh
08:44 <Lucifer> epsy: would you mind rewriting version as a python script instead?
08:44 <epsy> umm
08:44 <epsy> I pretty much know nothing about python
08:44 <Lucifer> see, there's also an update_version.bat that needs to be updated too
08:45 <epsy> where is it at?
08:45 <Lucifer> win32
08:46 <dlh> The problems with version are because of incompatibilities between different toolchains.
08:49 <Lucifer> #ping
08:49 <@armabot> pong
08:49 <Lucifer> we have a number of problems that are because of incompatibilities between different toolchains
08:50 <Lucifer> many (but not all) of which would be solved by eliminating most/all of the shell scripting in favor of some cross-platform script
08:50 <Lucifer> and since we're already using python in parts of our build system, that's the logical way to go
08:52 <dlh> What is the min version of python we require?
08:52 <dlh> 2.3?
08:52 <Lucifer> afaik
08:52 <dlh> it is pretty backwards-compatible though
08:53 <Lucifer> syntactically we're fine, just not sure of what modules we're using
08:53 <Lucifer> I'm avoiding anything that says "Added in 2.6" at least ;)
08:56 <epsy> so python & bzrlib ?
08:57 <Lucifer> that's a winner for me
08:57 <Lucifer> windows developers will need to install bzr with the python installer, but that's fine
09:24  * guru3 waves
09:41 <Lucifer> \o
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10:35 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ... || Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace || 42 of the Best Free Linux Games - LinuxLinks News
10:40 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game || Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac || Armagetron Advanced || Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure
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10:54 <MrBougo> armablah?
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11:06 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress
11:11 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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11:26 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ... || Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace || Software Packages in Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex", Subsection Games ... || 42 of the Best Free Linux Games - LinuxLinks News
11:31 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game || Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac || Armagetron Advanced || Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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13:13 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress
13:18 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
13:19 <Flex> @ping
13:19 <teabot> pong
13:20 <ivantis2> #ping
13:20 <@armabot> pong
13:23 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress
13:29 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r770 Added armabuild python module to collect python build stuff ... || [0.3.1] r769 Replaced sortresource shell script with python script
13:34 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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14:38 <Lizmatic> http://twisted-rats.co.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=70
14:41 <MaZuffeR> Lizmatic, http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/tst-200901/
14:41 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress
14:42 <Lizmatic> Mazuffer, oh :/
14:42 <Lizmatic> Flex, idiot!
14:43 <Flex> lol
14:43 <Flex> cool, ok
14:47 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
14:52 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ... || Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace || Software Packages in Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex", Subsection Games ... || 42 of the Best Free Linux Games - LinuxLinks News
14:58 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game || Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac || Armagetron Advanced || Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
14:59 <PinkTomato> post was deleted?
15:00 <Lizmatic> yeah i asked about tst and brawl being on the same date ;p
15:04 <PinkTomato> oops :)
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15:39 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress
15:45 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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16:22 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
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16:28 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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16:38 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
16:48 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
17:10 <BabyBug> \o
17:11  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
17:12  * BabyBug wuddles ct|kyle 
17:13 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
17:13 <PinkTomato> \o
17:13 <ct|kyle> armabot: why do you keep saying that
17:14 <ct|kyle> :P
17:14 <PinkTomato> and I can't click it
17:14 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: updated ct+sty with latest 0.2.8.*
17:14 <BabyBug> That bug's fixed now ct|kyle?
17:14 <PinkTomato> I saw :), thanks :D I'll grab it later :)
17:15 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: no :/ just zone > wall interaction, all it slows down is ctwf :)
17:15 <BabyBug> ahhhhh
17:15 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I'll have to make sure epsy can login with this one
17:16 <PinkTomato> :)
17:17  * Lucifer cuddles ct|kyle
17:17  * BabyBug stabs Lucifer...cheater!
17:18  * ct|kyle points Lucifer to BabyBug to get cuddles
17:18  * Lucifer cuddles BabyBug's knife
17:18 <BabyBug> o.o
17:18 <PinkTomato> ouch
17:18  * Lucifer loves knives
17:18 <PinkTomato> I hate knives
17:18 <PinkTomato> evil things
17:19 <Lucifer> if it's got a blade and I can poke BabyBug with it, I love it
17:19 <BabyBug> knife fantasies are great \o/ :P
17:19 <Lucifer> how about sword fantasies?
17:19  * Lucifer looks around for his sword
17:19 <BabyBug> nah, that's just weird
17:19 <Lucifer> oh
17:20 <Lucifer> I have this weird fantasy involving my fencing foil and, er, I should probably just stop there
17:20 <BabyBug> no no, continue hun :P
17:25 <Lizmatic> I love knives too
17:25 <Lizmatic> knifeplay, lucifer? ;)
17:25 <Lucifer> wouldn't want to hurt the baby :)
17:26 <Lucifer> which also rules out stickplay, sadly
17:26 <Lucifer> I can launch a rocket at you, though
17:27 <Lucifer> I've decided I want to be just like Data
17:27 <Lucifer> the only problem is, I'm already human, so I can't go on a quest to become human
17:27 <Lucifer> and trying to become an android is just silly
17:27 <Lucifer> so I've decided to try to become a cartoon character
17:28 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
17:28 <Lizmatic> you're a weird kind of adult, luci
17:29 <BabyBug> only noticing that now Lizmatic? =P
17:29 <Lucifer> heh, yeah, she's a page behind
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17:48 <ct|kyle> epsy: Ping
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18:03 <PinkTomato> #weather eastbourne, uk
18:03 <@armabot> PinkTomato: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
18:03 <PinkTomato> #weather brighton, uk
18:03 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The current temperature in Preston Park, Brighton, United Kingdom is 37.6°F (5:03 PM GMT on January 08, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028.3 hPa (Steady).
18:03 <PinkTomato> #finc 37.6
18:04 <@armabot> PinkTomato: 3.11111111111
18:04 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
18:04 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 17.2°F (11:59 AM EST on January 08, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
18:04 <ct|kyle> colder than i thought
18:04 <PinkTomato> well your much colder than me ;)
18:04 <PinkTomato> so I can't grumble
18:04 <ct|kyle> #finc 17.2
18:04 <@armabot> ct|kyle: -8.22222222222
18:05 <ct|kyle> -5?
18:05 <PinkTomato> -8, I don't even think I have had -8 weather ever
18:05 <ct|kyle> lol
18:05 <PinkTomato> That's in the day too!?
18:05 <PinkTomato> It's dark here
18:05 <ct|kyle> i think as a kid we had -20 F windchills
18:05 <PinkTomato> brrrr!
18:06 <PinkTomato> it is always the wind that makes it cold though
18:06 <ct|kyle> 10-15 years ago (dam i feel old)
18:06 <PinkTomato> the sudden change in temperature
18:06 <ct|kyle> ya
18:13 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
18:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 71.2°F (11:10 AM CST on January 08, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
18:14 <PinkTomato> In winter?
18:14 <PinkTomato> Texas is hot...
18:15 <Lucifer> our winter hasn't started yet
18:15 <Lucifer> I think it's currently scheduled for next week :)
18:16 <PinkTomato> But temperature's can't fall that much.
18:16 <Lucifer> ummm, yes they can
18:16 <Lucifer> within a few hours, we can go from 71.2 down to 40
18:17 <Lucifer> we usually have several freezing days, and we've already had a few this winter
18:17 <Lucifer> actually, what usually happens is the cold blows in early january and leaves in late february
18:17 <PinkTomato> really!? weather is extremely confusing
18:17 <Lucifer> so it's a little behind schedule right now
18:18 <Lucifer> our fall is a continuing oscillation from low 70s temperatures to mid-40s
18:18 <Lucifer> and the oscillation isn't day/night oscillation
18:18 <PinkTomato> what's summer like?
18:18 <Lucifer> pretty constant high 90s/low 100s
18:18 <Lucifer> humid, though
18:18 <PinkTomato> ah, I hate that humid hot
18:18 <Lucifer> we'll hit 95% relative humidity in late july and hold it until late september
18:19 <PinkTomato> everyone goes crazy when we reach 100 here
18:19 <Lucifer> we don't hit the highest temperatures in the world in absolute numbers, but in terms of joules/m^3, we're the hottest place on the planet
18:19 <Lucifer> even then, Austin isn't the worst, you have to go farther south :)
18:20 <PinkTomato> ouch :)
18:21 <Lucifer> humid subtropical :)
18:21 <ct|kyle> Lucifer still has not figured out how i survive in such a cold climate
18:21 <PinkTomato> me either ;)
18:21 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: it's not just cold, it's unsuited for human habitation!
18:23 <ct|kyle> works fine for me :)
18:24 <PinkTomato> There is such a big contrast from the north and south, and you still can go a long way more north-east than where kyle is.
18:24 <PinkTomato> (without reaching canada)
18:24 <ct|kyle> ya
18:24 <Lucifer> true, but the bitter cold winters are in the mid-west
18:24 <Lucifer> the closer you get to the oceans, you milder it gets
18:24 <Lucifer> you're in the UK, right?
18:24 <ct|kyle> they were 30 mph last night
18:24 <Lucifer> why does the UK have such a mild climate when it's so far up north?
18:25 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it doesn't....
18:25 <Lucifer> ?
18:25 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: ?
18:25 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: ?
18:25 <Lucifer> I seem to recall it has a climate much like Seattle, which is also pretty far north
18:25 <BabyBug> The UK...It doesn't have a mild climate..
18:25 <PinkTomato> On a flat map its on level with canada
18:26 <BabyBug> It was -9 here 2 days ago....that is soooooooo not mild
18:26 <BabyBug> lol
18:26 <Lucifer> heh, what do you consider mild?
18:26 <Lucifer> -9 C?
18:26 <BabyBug> yes
18:26 <Lucifer> #cinf -9
18:26 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
18:26 <Lucifer> fuck off armabot
18:26 <ct|kyle> that is what it is here basicall
18:26 <BabyBug> #g -9c in F
18:26 <@armabot> BabyBug: (-9) degrees Celsius = 15.8 degrees Fahrenheit
18:26 <Lucifer> that's not too bad
18:26 <BabyBug> yes it is...
18:26 <Lucifer> now, does it stay like that all winter, or is it just a few days or a couple of weeks?
18:26 <PinkTomato> #weather Prince Albert, Canada
18:26 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The current temperature in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan is -9.4°F (11:00 AM CST on January 08, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -14.8°F. Windchill: -22.0°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
18:26 <Lucifer> what are your summer highs like?
18:27 <PinkTomato> #cinf -9
18:27 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
18:27 <PinkTomato> #finc -9
18:27 <@armabot> PinkTomato: -22.7777777778
18:27 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Thats Canada ;)
18:27 <BabyBug> Lucifer, just few days..lol...its' never really need that cold...we're not used it....So not used to it that the main water pipe coming from the resevoir to a water treatment works froze xD
18:27 <ct|kyle> I wanna go :)
18:27 <Lucifer> my understanding is the UK is cool and rainy most of the year
18:27 <BabyBug> Ya it is
18:27 <Lucifer> THAT'S A MILD CLIMATE!
18:28 <PinkTomato> I don't think it rains as much as we complain as it does though
18:28 <Lucifer> no extreme heat, no extreme cold....
18:28 <Lucifer> the reason your climate is so mild is because the ocean stores up heat through the summer and releases it in the winter
18:28 <Lucifer> and the gulf stream goes right around the island, that helps a lot too
18:28 <Lucifer> but the midwest and much of canada have no such help
18:29 <ct|kyle> mine can get from -5F to 90(or more)F
18:29 <BabyBug> I don't get any warm breezes :(
18:29  * BabyBug is right in the middle of a valley
18:29 <Lucifer> no, but you don't get the raging cold that comes down from canada, hits a few buffalo, and blows into Texas :)
18:29 <ct|kyle> we usually get about 2-3 weeks 90+
18:29 <Lucifer> (there are mountains on the northern texas border to keep out most of the cold winds)
18:30 <Lucifer> yeah, we get 90+ from early May all the way into November
18:30 <ct|kyle> I've even gotten used to working outside in that heat :)
18:30 <Lucifer> but we only have a few days of freezing temperatures, and snow is a once every few years event
18:30 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
18:30 <PinkTomato> Do you get warm rain where you are?
18:30 <Lucifer> snow that sticks is even rarer than snow that falls
18:30 <Lucifer> yeah, we get hot rain
18:30 <Lucifer> man, we get it where the sun heats up the street, then the rain falls, then the sun heats it up again
18:31 <Lucifer> so you can watch the water evaporate
18:31 <PinkTomato> sweet :)
18:31 <Lucifer> steam coming off the roads, it's really neat
18:31 <PinkTomato> Rain here is always cold,
18:31 <Lucifer> we have it rain and shine sun at the same time
18:31 <Lucifer> I really hate that
18:31 <PinkTomato> That's probably the temperature the UK should be if it didn't have a sea
18:31 <PinkTomato> That hardly happens
18:34 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: if your in a valley, surely you don't get any cold breeze's either?
18:34 <ct|kyle> we get hot rains every once in a while
18:35 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
18:35 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, it's just a cold breeze going round and round in circles :P
18:36 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
18:36 <Lucifer> BabyBug: warm it up a bit, then!
18:37 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i'm hot..but not that hot :P
18:37 <Lucifer> I was actually thinking you should expel hot gasses into the cold breeze
18:37 <epsy> Lucifer always loved doing that
18:38 <Lucifer> hey, how did you think Texas got so hot in the first place?
18:38 <Lucifer> all the geological evidence indicates it started to get really warm after Mexican food was invented
18:38 <ct|kyle> epsy: see if you can login on Crazy Tronners Fortress Server now
18:39 <epsy> @sd Crazy Tronners Fortress Server
18:39 <teabot> epsy: Crazy Tronners Fortress Server: Players (0/32):
18:39 <Lucifer> so, do you call an SSG "Staff Sergeant", or just "Sergeant"?
18:39 <epsy> @sd -v Crazy Tronners Fortress Server
18:39 <teabot> epsy: Crazy Tronners Fortress Server ( running 0.2.8_alpha20090108 unix dedicated, url: http://crazy-tronners.com, Description: “Crazy Tronners master fortress Server. Contact us on http://crazy-tronners.com/“, Players (0/32):
18:40 <ct|kyle> epsy: i merged ct+sty with 0.2.8.* last night
18:40 <epsy> works
18:40 <ct|kyle> ok :)
18:41 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: you should change your own version to note that it's ct+sty
18:41 <ct|kyle> ya what file is that?
18:41 <Lucifer> check the file minor_version for how
18:42  * epsy is out of sync already
18:43 <ct|kyle> so basically add in ct+sty at the start of line
18:51 <Lucifer> aw man, I'm too old for the coast guard :/
18:52 <PinkTomato> :(
18:52 <Lucifer> maybe they'll make an exception for an exceptional person?  ;)
18:52 <Lucifer> (which may not necessarily be me, heh)
18:53 <PinkTomato> :)
18:53 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: I'm reading the map rotation script for Racing II
18:54 <PinkTomato> I've always wanted to ask the logic for ROUND_COMMENCING -98 ?
18:54 <ct|kyle> -98?
18:55 <PinkTomato> dosen't ring a bell?
18:55 <ct|kyle> nope
18:55 <PinkTomato> I think it was the first/second round was always reported as -98
18:56 <ct|kyle> maybe first
18:57 <ct|kyle> i should look
18:58 <PinkTomato> I'm just checking now, first round is ROUND_COMMENCING -98 12
18:59 <PinkTomato> Our version hasen't been updated for ages
19:00 <ct|kyle> heh, i know, I'll probably add that rubberzone hack into ct+sty sometime
19:01 <ct|kyle> hoop gave me all the information for it
19:01 <@armabot> armablah: Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
19:01 <ct|kyle> #help armablah
19:01 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (armablah [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armablah at the RSS feed <http://www.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?as_q=&hl=en&ctz=-60&c2coff=1&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=a&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2008&lr=lang_en&safe=active&scoring=d&q=armagetron+OR+armagetronad&ie=utf-8&num=10&output=rss>. If <number of headlines> is given, (1 more message)
19:01 <PinkTomato> :),
19:01 <PinkTomato> #more ct|kyle
19:01 <@armabot> PinkTomato: returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
19:02 <epsy> @rss aanounce --remove armablah
19:02 <teabot> epsy: Error: 'aanounce' is not a valid url.
19:02 <ct|kyle> #list rss
19:02 <@armabot> ct|kyle: 0.3.1, add, announce, armaannounce, armablah, armacommits, armawiki, ftsfeedback, info, lpbugs, reddit, remove, rss, sty, and sty+ct
19:02 <epsy> @rss announce --remove armablah
19:02 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:02 <epsy> @help rss rss
19:02 <teabot> epsy: (rss rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
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19:03 <epsy> err, stoopid me
19:03 <epsy> #rss announce --remove armablah
19:03 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:03 <epsy> #rss announce
19:03 <@armabot> epsy: armacommits, lpbugs, fts_feedback, and armaannounce
19:04  * ct|kyle agrees :)
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20:48 <i2020> breep
20:48 <ct|kyle> beep
20:51 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r650 changing minor_version to show sty+ct
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21:23 <nsh22> hey
21:23 <PinkTomato> hello nsh22 :)
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21:44 <K-Yo> guru3, do you own armagetronad.net ?
21:45 <guru3> yes
21:46 <K-Yo> guru3, do you think you could set up some subdomains such as ladle.aa.net who would point to the wiki ladle page ?
21:46 <K-Yo> it makes an easier link for advertising on servers
21:47 <guru3> hmm
21:47 <epsy> what about http://armagetronad.net/ladle/ ?
21:47 <epsy> this way it might be better once we move from wiki to whatever for managing the ladle
21:49 <guru3> maybe something like competitions.armagetronad.net
21:49 <epsy> fight.armagetronad.net
21:50 <K-Yo> hmmm
21:50 <K-Yo> personnaly, I don't care about the name
21:50 <guru3> you could register something like aatourneys.com
21:50 <madmax> yeah, no one memorizes those wiki links for tourneys heh
21:50 <epsy> @linkladle
21:51 <epsy> (if teabot wants to work)
21:51 <K-Yo> yeah
21:51 <epsy> headshot
21:51 <K-Yo> guru3, that's a good Idea
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21:51 <K-Yo> I could do it if no one else wants
21:51 <guru3> i mean, as long as anyone could use it, fight.armagetronad.net would be ok
21:51 <guru3> but i don't keep track of all the tournaments
21:52 <K-Yo> I think of building something bigger
21:52 <epsy> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Match_coordinator_module
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21:52 <K-Yo> but not in the foreseeable future :P
21:52 <K-Yo> epsy, exactly!
21:52 <epsy> yeah
21:52 <epsy> exactly
21:52 <K-Yo> anyway, I don't have time in the foreseeable future :P
21:52 <epsy> but I still need to do carpets before
21:53 <K-Yo> epsy, do you know http://ops.warrock.net/ ?
21:53 <epsy> no
21:53 <K-Yo> take a look
21:53 <epsy> ugh
21:54 <K-Yo> I really like the system
21:54 <guru3> it looks like clanbase
21:54 <guru3> (sort of)
21:54 <K-Yo> yeah
21:54 <K-Yo> it has all the players and all the clans
21:54 <epsy> the site looks ugly heh
21:54 <K-Yo> dates of fights
21:54 <K-Yo> results
21:54 <K-Yo> etc etc
21:54 <guru3> clanbase... that takes me back
21:54 <epsy> it's pretty much what I had in mind
21:54 <K-Yo> same :)
21:54 <epsy> just..uhm, with a cleaner website, heh
21:55 <PinkTomato> the site is ugly, I can't even fidn the register link in 15 seconds
21:55 <K-Yo> sure xD
21:55 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, topright :P
21:55 <K-Yo> ah no
21:55 <PinkTomato> I can see login box ;)
21:55 <K-Yo> yeah it sucks
21:55 <epsy> PinkTomato, IMO, if you're not logged in, the only thing you should see is 1/ a description of the service, a login prompt, and a mere preview of what's going on
21:56 <PinkTomato> top right is where it should be :).
21:56 <PinkTomato> epsy: and a register link?
21:56 <epsy> by login prompt I -of course- mean a register link
21:56 <PinkTomato> Oh yeah :D
21:56 <PinkTomato> its just this website only has a login box
21:56 <epsy> well, a hint on where to get an AAGID
21:57 <epsy> think of vimeo.com when you're logged out
21:57 <PinkTomato> now thats a nice looking website
21:58 <epsy> see, that's a better impression than the impression you got when seeing the site K-Yo mentionned
21:58 <epsy> So, you have a register form on top of the page, a login link, what's going on and what vimeo is
21:58 <PinkTomato> although K-Yo site has the functionality of what we want
21:58 <PinkTomato> so merge them, done :)
21:59 <epsy> merge into what?
21:59 <PinkTomato> take the style/layout of vimeo, and stick it into that clan system website
21:59 <epsy> haha
21:59 <PinkTomato> and it would be pretty clean, neat, and useable
22:00 <epsy> and find a lawsuit and merge it as well
22:00 <K-Yo> hmmmm
22:00 <K-Yo> so, what domain should we register?
22:00 <PinkTomato> Would we even need MCM whatever?
22:00 <PinkTomato> It's achieveable currently
22:00 <guru3> armagetronsayseatbabies.com
22:00 <BabyBug> O.o
22:01 <Lucifer> guru3: I've already registered that one
22:01 <epsy> If you mean the stuff definined here <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Match_coordinator_module>, I'd say an official one would be welcome :)
22:01 <PinkTomato> how would it work epsy?
22:01 <epsy> answering that question is pretty much the job of the document I linked
22:01 <PinkTomato> Oh I see!
22:02 <PinkTomato> I was thinking more setting the team names etc
22:02 <PinkTomato> this is linking a group of servers together with some cool functionality
22:02 <Lucifer> what we need is a fairly simple package for coordinating a single tournament
22:03 <Lucifer> then, anybody who wants to run a tournament can use it
22:03 <Lucifer> it should export some sort of xml data that we can collect onto the main site, or a special site for the purpose
22:03 <epsy> Lucifer, I'd start with individual matches
22:03 <PinkTomato> So if I get this right, your playing in server 3, and when durka and sagelord win in server 1, it will be reported to you?
22:03 <epsy> it could
22:03 <Lucifer> epsy: sure, if it could do individual matches, then a human could use it to manage a tournament
22:03 <epsy> :)
22:04 <Lucifer> well, that level of integration with arma will take some time, and it won't be until Bacchus makes it out the door that it can be widely adopted (needs the scripting)
22:04 <epsy> totally
22:05 <Lucifer> but if we were to focus in the unix tradition on just doing one thing and doing it well, I'd say epsy's right, just coordinate single matches
22:05 <Lucifer> allow teams and players, and support armathentication (so people won't have to register if they're already registered somewhere else in armaland)
22:06 <Lucifer> once that functionality is there, making it support tournaments shouldn't be too tricky
22:06 <K-Yo> and maybe after a time could be automatically integrated to server?
22:06 <K-Yo> with an optino to activate the report or not
22:06 <Lucifer> however, writing a single web app to support all tournaments and be a central location to do it would be a big pain in the ass
22:07 <Lucifer> sure, give it a good rpc interface and we might be able to find ways to integrate with existing servers
22:07 <epsy> K-Yo, enable/disable a module/script/kangoroo
22:07 <Lucifer> but ultimately, we'd want some pretty strong integration that can only be achieved when scripting is standard
22:07 <K-Yo> Lucifer, I can do that, but in one? two? years
22:07 <K-Yo> epsy, yeah :)
22:07 <Lucifer> hey, look, if you guys can just get the easy stuff done (i.e. the grunt work), I can work up the rpc stuff
22:08 <K-Yo> .g grunt
22:08 <K-Yo> .g rpc
22:08 <Lucifer> hell, I don't want to make any more promises I can't keep, but if I find myself with a job, this is one of the things on my todo list
22:08 <Lucifer> rpc = remote procedure call (or something like that)
22:08 <Lucifer> basically a way for the server to report on the match :)
22:08 <K-Yo> okay
22:09 <PinkTomato> that would be easy to do insecurly, possibly?
22:09 <Lucifer> could do it securely too
22:09 <K-Yo> even better ><
22:09 <Lucifer> ssl is at a lower layer than the web app itself
22:09 <epsy> lol
22:09 <K-Yo> smthing like each server has an account with a private key?
22:09 <Lucifer> K-Yo: pretty much, yeah
22:09 <epsy> *cough* armathentication *cough*
22:10 <PinkTomato> so the server's log in to :D
22:10 <Lucifer> epsy: can servers authenticate?
22:10 <epsy> not yet?
22:10 <K-Yo> :P
22:10 <K-Yo> serventication!
22:10 <ct|kyle> lol
22:10 <PinkTomato> :D
22:10 <Lucifer> well, for a web-based protocol, we wouldn't want to do the same back-and-forth that goes on with armathentication
22:11 <Lucifer> maybe later, when there's real scripting
22:11 <K-Yo>  #ls -g café@wrtlpwnd
22:11 <PinkTomato> :D
22:11 <Lucifer> I'm just thinking of a basic xml-rpc or soap thing, or even simpler, but basically xml in the raw post data
22:11 <Lucifer> embed user and password in there, server rejects the whole thing if it doesn't have a user and pass for it
22:11 <ct|kyle> CSS for maps should be first :P
22:12 <Lucifer> heh
22:12 <Lucifer> I'm not intending to work on any extra project until I have at least finished the resource work on my plate, and that's after 0.3.1, and presumably after I get a job, too
22:12 <epsy> CSS for scoreboardz too! pff!
22:12 <PinkTomato> xD
22:12 <Lucifer> I've got some good leads, though
22:12 <PinkTomato> :)
22:13  * epsy really wonders what to use for scoreboards
22:13 <K-Yo>  #find a word for Lucifer
22:13 <Lucifer> http://austin.craigslist.org/web/982750259.html  <--- this one has my name all over it
22:15 <Lucifer> epsy: cockpit widget
22:15 <Lucifer> epsy: while you're at it, would you convert the console to a cockpit widget, too?  ;)
22:15 <epsy> oh yeah, we have that as cockpits already
22:15 <epsy> neat
22:15 <epsy> Lucifer, that's part of my eEvent roadmap :<
22:16 <Lucifer> isn't there a patch floating around for that?
22:16 <epsy> along with extending it with filters etc etc
22:16 <epsy> so you can get chat on one console etc
22:17 <epsy> K-Yo, grrrr..this is not minor :<
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22:25 <Lucifer> ok, I give up, I thought someone threw together a patch that made a cockpit widget for the chat stuff
22:25 <Lucifer> but I'm not finding it now
22:27 <K-Yo> epsy, it is not? ^o) just added one line
22:27 <K-Yo> well I never know how to comment this wiki stuff...
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22:34 <K-Yo> epsy, isn't providing an example "minor" ?
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22:35 <PinkTomato> So changing a small spelling mistake, or fixing a grammar point, is that minor edit? What if it was a whole paragraph?
22:35 <BabyBug> \o
22:35 <PinkTomato> \o BabyBug :)
22:36 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: what did i spell wrong
22:37 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: you have spelt nothing wrong :), just wondering when I should tick that minor edit button on a wiki
22:39 <ct|kyle> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Spork  Slowly coming along
22:40 <PinkTomato> "The First Spork is planned for Sunday 8th March 2009" Awwww...... XD
22:40  * PinkTomato will be patient :)
22:40 <ct|kyle> :)
22:40 <ct|kyle> probably should have set round's
22:41 <ct|kyle> really should have it the 15th, in case we have another ladle the 1st
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22:42 <PinkTomato> :), Reminds me I should get map rotation working and then the biggest hurdle is done
22:45 <ct|kyle> ya
22:45 <K-Yo> I know!
22:45 <ct|kyle> should be easy to do
22:45 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: ?
22:45 <K-Yo> epsy, Lucifer guru3 : what do you think of tronic.net ?
22:45 <ct|kyle> .org
22:45 <PinkTomato> haven't we got to move away from the name tron?
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22:46 <PinkTomato> didn't debian moan at us?
22:46 <K-Yo> yeah org
22:46 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, oh, mamybe
22:46 <PinkTomato> isn't it more of a network?
22:46 <guru3> K-Yo: is it taken?
22:46 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: one of them did
22:47 <K-Yo> guru3, let me check
22:47 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: I was assuming debian due to iseweasel
22:47 <PinkTomato> :)
22:47 <ct|kyle> PFedora
22:47 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato*: Fedora
22:47 <K-Yo> all taken
22:47 <PinkTomato> ah
22:47 <K-Yo> :(
22:47 <PinkTomato> what?
22:47 <PinkTomato> what are people using tronic.net for?
22:48 <K-Yo> to list directories
22:48 <K-Yo> xD
22:48 <ivantis2> guru3: would you consider unbanning *245. whatever? thats me at home
22:48 <K-Yo> #fetch tronic.net
22:48 <@armabot> K-Yo: Error: 'tronic.net' is not a valid url.
22:48 <PinkTomato> tronic.org is a holding page.. it's silly
22:48 <K-Yo> #fetch http://www.tronic.net
22:48 <@armabot> K-Yo: HTTP Error 403: Access Forbidden
22:48 <K-Yo> hmmm
22:49 <ct|kyle> arma-comp.org
22:49 <guru3> cyclecompetitions.net
22:50 <ct|kyle> arma-tourny.org
22:50 <guru3> tourney?
22:50 <PinkTomato>  cyclecompetitions.net << how is this avaliable?
22:50 <PinkTomato> I don't understand, my money would be on that rather than tronic.net
22:50 <guru3> i don't know, didn't check
22:50 <guru3> just thought it was an interesting name
22:51 <ivantis2> guru3: ?
22:51 <PinkTomato> Oh I did check, I was surprised it was not taken.
22:52 <guru3> *!*@*.245.159.78
22:52 <ct|kyle> i think .org would be beter
22:52 <ivantis2> yes that one is me
22:52 <guru3> are you going to continue running ircbots from that ip?
22:52 <guru3> (in this channel)
22:52 <ivantis2> no
22:52 <guru3> ok then
22:52 <ivantis2> i stopped that before the ban anyway
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22:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.245.159.78] by guru3
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22:53 <ivantis2> thanx
22:54 <ivantis2> i had a good idea for a server while looking at the tour de france map in my communications class today: tour de france
22:55 <ivantis2> its like the real race
22:55 <K-Yo> yes, .org is the shit
22:55 <ivantis2> the map is like a big map of france
22:55 <ct|kyle> #g 750C in F
22:55 <@armabot> ct|kyle: 750 degrees Celsius = 1382 degrees Fahrenheit
22:55 <PinkTomato> ivantis2: already done: http://www.tomscott.com/realworldracer/
22:56 <ivantis2> no in arma
22:57 <PinkTomato> hmm
22:57 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: what is 750 Centigrade!?
22:57 <PinkTomato> that's severely hot
22:58 <ivantis2> maps are different, each checkpoint is another match
22:58 <ivantis2> er, round
22:58 <ivantis2> another good idea: speed zones. when touched, increase your speed
22:59 <PinkTomato> ivantis2: someone experimented with speed zones, they couldn't find a way for it to work without causing odd stuff to happen
22:59 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: Not sure :P just wondered what it was
23:00 <PinkTomato> ivantis2: would require client support, I believe zonesv2 was going to support this
23:00 <ivantis2> really? and rubber zones and such did work?
23:01 <PinkTomato> they did, the cycles started to hop around
23:01 <ivantis2> what odd stuff happens?
23:01 <ivantis2> weird
23:01 <PinkTomato> from someone not looking at the code, I think the client draws the cycles at the speed predicting acceleration
23:02 <PinkTomato> yet the server applies the actual increase in position, and sends this to the client
23:02 <PinkTomato> which results in the player jumping.
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23:02 <ivantis2> most likely. did anyone try it using a local game on a client?
23:02 <PinkTomato> Um.. not sure
23:02 <ivantis2> hai TaZ
23:03 <PinkTomato> #g -1K in C
23:03 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (-1) kelvin = -274.15 degrees Celsius
23:03 <TaZ> hey ivantis2
23:03 <PinkTomato> #g -100K in C
23:03 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (-100) kelvin = -373.15 degrees Celsius
23:03 <ivantis2> #g 100K in C
23:03 <@armabot> ivantis2: 100 kelvin = -173.15 degrees Celsius
23:04 <PinkTomato> 0Kelvin is the lowest temperature that kelvin can go
23:04 <TaZ> does anyone have CT_voodoo's MSN?
23:04 <K-Yo> armatronic.org
23:04 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: a catalytic converter
23:04 <K-Yo> TaZ, hmmm he uses yahoo
23:05 <TaZ> Do you have his email?
23:05 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I wanted to verify it before saying
23:05 <K-Yo> yea
23:05 <TaZ> could you pm it to me?
23:05 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: ah I see :D, that's still very hot :)
23:06 <K-Yo> TaZ, after my sumo :)
23:06 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: ya
23:06 <ct|kyle> hotter than i thought engine exhaust would be
23:07 <PinkTomato> that's supposed to be engine exhaust!?
23:07  * PinkTomato will not touch exhausts
23:08 <ivantis2> did you know that i could be signed into AIM and such all day and actually be there? i have an aim client for my phone
23:08 <ivantis2> tmobile G1 running Android
23:08 <TaZ> you have a g1?
23:09 <TaZ> you must have 3G too
23:09 <ivantis2> yeah. i am using it right now
23:09 <TaZ> nice
23:09 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: apparently they can get that hot
23:09 <TaZ> using an IRC client?
23:09 <PinkTomato> Unfortunatly at 4£ a MB that becomes unfeasible for me.
23:09 <TaZ> lol
23:09 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: wow .. :)
23:10 <ivantis2> TaZ: yeah androidirc
23:10 <TaZ> ah
23:11 <PinkTomato> For Spork, would there be any reason why we might have a different map_file but the same settings? or should I only link the database to a configuration file?
23:11 <ivantis2> there is already a tron clone in 2d for android
23:11 <epsy> K-Yo, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201750#201750
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23:11 <ivantis2> #g 4£ in USD
23:11 <@armabot> ivantis2: 4 UK£ = 6.0688 U.S. dollars
23:11 <TaZ> is the G1 still the only phone with android?
23:12 <ivantis2> the australian android phone and the G1
23:12 <TaZ> ok
23:12 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: for what you are doing i would use configuration
23:12  * TaZ wants to go to CES
23:13 <ct|kyle> file
23:13 <ivantis2> i love it. early christmas present from parents
23:13 <TaZ> nice
23:13 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: right OK :)
23:13 <PinkTomato> no point making data redundant
23:14 <ct|kyle> for Ct's it works a lot better having each setting for each map
23:14 <TaZ> what made you get the G1, ivantis? :P
23:14 <K-Yo> epsy, I saw that ;)
23:14 <ivantis2> TaZ: uh, someone here talking about it. saw it and needed it
23:15 <ivantis2> my parents really like how i like computer programming, and i told them it was open source and i could write apps for it
23:15 <TaZ> lol
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23:24 <PinkTomato> #cfg FORTRESS_
23:24 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
23:25 <PinkTomato> @cfg FORTRESS_
23:25 <epsy> lol
23:25 <PinkTomato> is armabot out of date?
23:25 <PinkTomato> or am I doing it wrong?
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23:26 <ct|kyle> .cfg2 FORTRESS_
23:26 <PinkTomato> .cfg FORTRESS_
23:26 <tronner> ct|kyle: FORTRESS_COLLAPSE_SPEED: fortress_collapse_speed_help || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_MIN: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_RATIO: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_WIN: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE: Rate a fortress zone "recovers" from being conquered || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE: Rate a fortress zone gets conquered with for each enemy (1 more message)
23:26 <tronner> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
23:26 <epsy>  yup, outdated
23:26 <ct|kyle> I just updated it this morning
23:26 <PinkTomato> .more ct|kyle
23:26 <tronner> PinkTomato: in it || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT: fortress_conquest_timeout_help || FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE: Rate a fortress zone "recovers" for each defending player || FORTRESS_HELD_SCORE: Score you get for holding your fortress. || FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_SURVIVE_WIN: UNDOCUMENTED
23:26 <epsy> .cfg2 mode
23:26 <tronner> epsy: ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: Screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED || BALL_TEAM_MODE: ball_team_mode_help || SWAP_MODE: Determines the commands used to sync graphics and input. 0: do nothing, 1: (2 more messages)
23:26 <PinkTomato> it was this one: FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM, ty kyle :)
23:26 <ct|kyle> i still want to know how to get the default values in it
23:27 <epsy> .cfg2 m_el
23:27 <tronner> epsy: TEAM_ELIMINATION_MODE: Defines the way ArmagetronAd should eliminate teams when there's more teams than TEAMS_MAX: Set to 0 it will try to keep as many players as possible, kicking teams that have the lowest score if teams are balanced; Set to 1 it will try to keep the best team colors (Team blue, then Team gold, then Team red, etc); Set to 2 it will kick out the teams that have the lowest score, regardless of (1 more message)
23:27 <epsy> .more
23:27 <tronner> epsy: balance.
23:27 <epsy> ..lol
23:27 <PinkTomato> lol, it would have been easier to print balance
23:27 <ct|kyle> .help cfg2
23:27 <epsy> yeah
23:27 <tronner> ct|kyle: (cfg2 <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://crazy-tronners.com/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
23:27 <ct|kyle> #alias add cfg2 rss http://crazy-tronners.com/armaconfig.php?config=$1
23:27 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
23:27 <ct|kyle> there
23:28 <PinkTomato> hehe, thanks, should come in handy :)
23:28 <ct|kyle> ya
23:28 <ct|kyle> #cfg2 INV
23:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME: Time in seconds a cycle is invulnerable after a respawn. || CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED || LADDERLOG_WRITE_INVALID_COMMAND: ladderlog_write_invalid_command_help
23:28 <ct|kyle> bye bye tronner
23:28 <ct|kyle> .part
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23:29 <ct|kyle> i should make a .cfg3 for 0.3.*
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Log from 2009-01-09:
--- Day changed Fri Jan 09 2009
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00:22 <smoothice> PinkTomato: players 0/0?
00:22 <smoothice> PinkTomato: nevermind
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00:53 <PinkTomato> #sd -v S P O R K
00:53 <@armabot> PinkTomato: S P O R K ( running 0.2.8_alpha20090108 unix dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “Admin Contact: PinkTomato, Settings by Durka. TST staff here now have administrative access.“, Players (2/16): Pink Tomatoes (Pink\_Tomatoes@forums), Player 1
00:58 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: heh
00:59 <PinkTomato> :)
01:08 <ct|kyle> #si -v S P O R K
01:08 <@armabot> ct|kyle: S P O R K ( running 0.2.8_alpha20090108 unix dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “Admin Contact: PinkTomato, Settings by Durka. TST staff here now have administrative access.“, Players (5/16): >><<, ct¤ky13, Pink Tomatoes (Pink\_Tomatoes@forums), Player 1
01:12 <smoothice> PinkTomato: 5 arma servers on your VPS now?
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01:14 <PinkTomato> 6
01:14 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Oh. I was one off
01:14 <PinkTomato> I run on the assumption that they are never full
01:14 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :P
01:14 <PinkTomato> if they were all full it would be chaos
01:16 <smoothice> PinkTomato: no kidding
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01:29 <nsh22> hey
01:30 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato:
01:30 <ct|kyle> #cfg2 console_m
01:30 <@armabot> ct|kyle: CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Prints a message on the console of all connected clients. || ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Message sent to clients after every round
01:30 <PinkTomato> ah sorry :), said something :)
01:31 <PinkTomato> ?
01:31 <ct|kyle> use CONSOLE_MESSAGE instead of SAY
01:31 <ct|kyle> :P
01:31 <PinkTomato> Ah the load_map debug stuff :), will do :)
01:31 <PinkTomato> at the time, say was faster to type :D
01:31 <ct|kyle> you could even put in High Rubber or Fortress
01:31 <PinkTomato> instead of round_message?
01:31 <ct|kyle> ctrl+v :P
01:32 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
01:32 <ct|kyle> on CTWF we use CONSOLE_message on round commencing and then Round_Center_message
01:33 <ct|kyle> round_message we use for other stuff Like pointing out ladle 18 or some other stuff
01:33 <PinkTomato> Oh and you have that quick description
01:33 <PinkTomato> might add that too
01:34 <ct|kyle> want the code?
01:34 <ct|kyle> :P
01:35 <PinkTomato> hehe, small little cheatsheet will come in handy :D
01:35 <PinkTomato> only if its no trouble :)
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01:38 <PinkTomato> Concord: hiya :)
01:38 <Concord> =} ello
01:39 <PinkTomato> Spork is rotating
01:39 <PinkTomato> :D
01:39 <Concord> flex, you're right, but at current host we can't do much about it, we may change host, tho
01:39 <Concord> xD
01:39 <Flex> it's in the stylesheet
01:39 <Concord> we can't edit that at current host
01:39 <Flex> or most probably css
01:39 <nsh22> hey
01:39 <Concord> hi
01:39 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I'll put a few more things in it
01:39 <PinkTomato> OK :)
01:40 <nsh22> brb making food
02:01 <Concord> pinktomato, whats our status?
02:01 <Concord> lol that sounded funny
02:01 <PinkTomato> ah sorry
02:01 <PinkTomato> :D
02:01 <PinkTomato> Concord: We have rotation
02:02 <PinkTomato> the configuration is off
02:02 <Concord> anything i can help with?
02:02 <PinkTomato> the configuration files conflict
02:02 <PinkTomato> It's more just a clean up job
02:02 <Concord> maybe add a everytime.cfg that resets it to standard settings?
02:03 <Concord> ok
02:03 <PinkTomato> Yeap, done that, so All that needs to do is fix a MAP_FILE problem, and put in the fort physics to the sumo and fort files, and find a CTF setting file
02:03 <Corn> the spork is gonna be huge you can quote me on that
02:03 <PinkTomato> Current CTF physics are little off
02:04 <PinkTomato> #quote
02:04 <PinkTomato> :D
02:04 <PinkTomato> I think we should do a test run once its sorted
02:04 <PinkTomato> maybe advertise it on lagtest, maybe part as that organised matches thing
02:05 <ct|kyle> I wonder if the spork will draw more than just 16 teams
02:05 <PinkTomato> 16 teams is the goal?
02:05 <Corn> wait are we talking about the server spork or some tournament i was making fun of by calling it the spork
02:06 <PinkTomato> hehe, I think both shold be called spork
02:06 <PinkTomato> game type as well
02:06 <ct|kyle> they will be :P
02:06 <Corn> i think the sumo tournament in the server should be called the spork
02:06 <PinkTomato> just the sumo ?
02:06 <Corn> well fortress too if you want that
02:07 <ct|kyle> Concord: / Corn http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Spork
02:07 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
02:07 <PinkTomato> 16 servers
02:07 <Concord> do we need the Spork/Blurb :D
02:07 <PinkTomato> do we have 16 teams capable of running servers?
02:07 <Concord> oh yeah, lol, nvm
02:08 <Corn> is that a joke or foreal
02:08 <Concord> foreal i think
02:08 <Corn> with a name like spork i cant take it seriously lmfao
02:08 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:08 <Concord> 2020's latest post was good, if you missed it
02:08 <Corn> i read it
02:08 <PinkTomato> @google play fortress
02:08 <teabot> PinkTomato: http://www.blitzgamer.com/play_games/strategy/206/fortress-game.html - Play Fortress Game Now - Fortress Game Flash Game @ BLITZ GAMER!
02:08 <PinkTomato> @google "play fortress" armagetronad
02:09 <Corn> im about to publish a new article on play fortress i just need to reinstall photoshop so i can make a diagram example picture w/e
02:09 <ct|kyle> #alias add llog rss http://crazy-tronners.com/ladderlogconfig.php?config=$1
02:09 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
02:09 <ct|kyle> #llog NUM_H
02:09 <@armabot> ct|kyle: NUM_HUMANS: [number_of_players]
02:09 <PinkTomato> useful :D
02:10 <nsh22> back
02:10 <Concord> wb
02:10 <nsh22> ty
02:10 <nsh22> tomato soup and scheese is sooo good :)
02:10 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: that is why i forked the .cfg command for that
02:10 <PinkTomato> ah :)
02:11 <Corn> Well no one take my idea of the spatula... im not sure what kind of tournament its gonna be...
02:11 <Corn> but its gonna be awesome
02:11 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:11 <nsh22> can i make the knife turny ? lol
02:11 <PinkTomato> do you not have trust the spork?
02:11 <Corn> that sounds like it would turn out bad
02:11 <nsh22> what, the knife?
02:12 <Corn> well you see sporks dont always work well sometimes if your eating soup the tongs get in the way
02:12 <Corn> unless its noodle soup in which case whats better than a spork
02:12 <PinkTomato> chopsticks
02:13 <PinkTomato> so Concord what's a spork?
02:13 <PinkTomato> let's get a #define because I'm confused :)
02:13 <Corn> a spork is the mutation of a fork and a spoon to create the ultimate eating utinsel
02:14 <Concord> the spork is both a variety server and a tournament, both used to introduce tronic to non-fortress players
02:14 <PinkTomato> ah the hidden agenda
02:14 <PinkTomato> ;)
02:15 <Corn> its like how religions get people to convert.. they try something people are familiar then BAM
02:15 <PinkTomato> :D
02:15 <PinkTomato> HR fort is rubbish
02:15 <PinkTomato> I tried it
02:15 <PinkTomato> no good
02:15 <Corn> defense would be WAY too easy
02:16 <Corn> basically you just camo
02:16 <Corn> camp
02:16 <PinkTomato> everything is TOO easy
02:16 <Corn> well if everything is easy then it evens out
02:16 <PinkTomato> it was an accident, MAP_FILE didn't work ;)
02:16 <Corn> :P
02:16 <ct|kyle> Concord: feel free to edit anything
02:16 <PinkTomato> Concord: what HR map do you want ;)?
02:16 <ct|kyle> use my circle one
02:17 <Concord> yeah do
02:17 <PinkTomato> It is set up to use {DD} HR atm, but suggestions are welcome
02:17 <PinkTomato> the circle one?
02:17 <Concord> I like circles, gets me thinking fort zone
02:17 <Corn> subliminal messages
02:17 <ct|kyle> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/kyle/tournament/tourney-0.0.3.aamap.xml
02:18 <ct|kyle> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/kyle/rubber/id_dome-0.0.1.aamap.xml << i like that one too
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02:19 <Concord> hi madmax
02:19 <Corn> hey max
02:19 <madmax> hi
02:19 <ct|kyle> oi
02:20 <PinkTomato> pretty similar :), OK we will use this one :)
02:20 <PinkTomato> the none branded one with different spawn_point
02:21 <ct|kyle> I'd use branded with out the brand
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02:22 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
02:22 <Concord> hi sinewav
02:22 <PinkTomato> that's basically what I would do :F
02:22 <PinkTomato> :D
02:22 <sinewav> hi
02:22 <sinewav> `I'm trying yet another lame IRC client :(
02:22 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: i think i commented the beading stuff
02:22 <ct|kyle> what one now?
02:22 <sinewav> Hydra
02:23 <PinkTomato> which ones have you tried and hated?
02:23 <sinewav> I liked X-chat, but it expired
02:23 <PinkTomato> expired? supposed to be open-source I thought
02:23 <sinewav> Pidgen doens't work on XP well
02:23 <sinewav> no the windows dist I guess
02:23 <sinewav> not*
02:24 <Flex> use mIRC
02:24 <PinkTomato> Yeah, UTF8 program runs under none-unicode settings I think
02:24 <ct|kyle> sinewav: torrent x-chat
02:24 <Flex> mIRC is probably the best IRC client for Windows
02:24 <ct|kyle> sinewav: could always just switch to linux :)
02:24 <PinkTomato> just for IRC :D
02:25 <sinewav> I'll get on that linux deal when I have time and motivation
02:25 <sinewav> `mIRD isn't free either
02:25 <sinewav> free is key
02:25 <PinkTomato> why the hell isn't there a good IRC client for windows?
02:26 <sinewav> pfft who the hell knows
02:26 <PinkTomato> Pidgin works for me though, so I can't help you there
02:26 <ct|kyle> because #windows is full of idiots
02:27 <sinewav> man, this Hydra IRC looks like shit.
02:27 <Flex> mIRC is free..
02:27 <sinewav> where?
02:27 <sinewav> link plz
02:27 <Flex> just because it askes for donation, doesn't make it any different
02:28 <PinkTomato> sorry, but dosen't mIRC look a little out of date too?
02:28 <PinkTomato> Or am I thinking of something else?
02:28 <Flex> i don't believe so, it gets updated quite often
02:28 <sinewav> "Thank you for trying out mIRC. mIRC can be downloaded freely and evaluated for up to 30 days. If after evaluating mIRC you find that you like it and wish to continue using it, you will need to register your copy."
02:29 <Flex> I've been using mIRC for 100+days
02:29 <Flex> I'm here talking aren't I?
02:29 <sinewav> How did you gewt past the registration? or is it a nag screen?
02:29 <Flex> press continue
02:30 <Flex> wait 5 seconds or so.. then press continue.
02:30 <madmax> try irssi \o/
02:30 <sinewav> ah, I guess I can live with that.
02:30 <Flex> no.. not irssi!
02:30 <PinkTomato> http://cdn.mirc.com/images/installchannel.gif
02:30 <PinkTomato> is that what mIRC looks like?
02:30 <Flex> no..
02:30 <Flex> but kind of
02:30 <PinkTomato> see, out of date looking ;)
02:30 <sinewav> haha, I'd be cool with that
02:31 <PinkTomato> I think I would go crazy without my coloured names ^.^
02:31 <sinewav> ok bbl with new client
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02:31 <PinkTomato> ok :)
02:32 <Flex> only thing i dislike about mIRC is i can't see who's away in gray, the same as in x-chat
02:32 <Flex> everyone's just black, on the userlist
02:32 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: what colour is my name
02:32 <Flex> maybe it's my config, but i can't seem to 'fix' that
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02:33 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: light blue :)
02:33 <ct|kyle> like wrtl's
02:33 <PinkTomato> yeap like wrtl's
02:34 <Flex> http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8826/mirc001up7.jpg
02:34 <PinkTomato> that's not too bad :)
02:34 <Flex> Linux, can take a walk!
02:35 <ct|kyle> I still like colored names
02:36 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/irc.png
02:36 <Flex> my colour :(
02:36 <PinkTomato> you don't like it?
02:36 <Flex> na, not really
02:37 <PinkTomato> ah well, you can't see it so :D
02:37 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: your purple/pinkish  armabot but lighter
02:37 <PinkTomato> hehe, so it sort of got it right :D
02:38  * ct|kyle wonders what it goes by
02:38  * PinkTomato too
02:39 <ct|kyle> its's eitehr nick or ip
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02:40 <HelloWorld> heh
02:41 <ct|kyle> that did not change my colour did it?
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02:41 <PinkTomato> no, but helloworld is a turquoise blue.
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02:42 <ct|kyle> so it may be by both nick and IP
02:42 <Concord> #fortress
02:43  * Concord meant to say
02:43 <Concord> #forest
02:43 <@armabot> 4st
02:43 <Concord> #nerd
02:43 <@armabot> 9rd
02:43 <Concord> #tooth
02:43 <@armabot> 2th
02:43 <PinkTomato> what does that have to do with anything?
02:43 <Concord> nothing
02:43 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
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02:44 <PinkTomato> hello me!
02:44 <PinkTomato2> heh
02:44 <PinkTomato> oo its a pinky colour
02:44 <ct|kyle> differnt than yours
02:44 <ct|kyle> yours is more purple
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02:50 <Concord> is the server online, btw? I'm too lazy to go look
02:51 <PinkTomato> #sport
02:51 <PinkTomato> #spork
02:52 <PinkTomato> Nope then :)
02:52 <Concord> ok ;} ty
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02:57 <Concord> wb
02:57 <PinkTomato> long time! xD
02:57 <sinewav> ew at new IRC client
02:57 <sinewav> ...
02:57 <PinkTomato> what client might that be?
02:57 <sinewav> mIRC
02:58 <PinkTomato> ah
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03:05 <TaZ> mibbit ftw!
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03:08 <PinkTomato> TaZ: don't you find the web based client annyoying?
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03:52 <Concord> nsh22 a bunch of us are in ct ladle 2 if you are around
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04:09 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r771 Use --trace flag when executing rake....
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11:54 <i2020> breep
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11:59 <Flex> bethere...
11:59 <Flex> yeahh
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12:08 <pikey> #list
12:08 <@armabot> pikey: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
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12:33 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
12:33 <Lucifer> #ping
12:33 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
12:33 <@armabot> pong
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12:44 <hang3r> Seriously, someone "up there" loves me, I just had a 6 pack, drove to mackas and had something to eat because I had the munchies... So I decide to drive to the bottle shop to get another 6-pack... And anyway, I'm driving home and at then intersection there are these cops just stopped there, I found that strange because it was a green light for them, but they just sat there starring at me, so i'm driving home, everyone is
12:44 <hang3r> flashing there lights at me. So I get half way home and realise I dont have my lights on (its 11.00pm here so obviously night)
12:44 <hang3r> s/there/their/g and etc
12:45 <hang3r> drink driving ftw?
12:46  * hang3r now realises that that may have been a seriously dumb idea, considing if I lost my license I would have lost my job
12:59 <Flex> haha
13:14 <MaZuffeR> #m sinewav you can get free xchat for windows from http://www.silverex.org/ or http://www.zerostress.org/dls/
13:14 <@armabot> MaZuffeR: The operation succeeded.
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14:06 <PinkTomato> #ls jop
14:07 <@armabot> PinkTomato: timed out
14:12 <Flex> case sensitive?
14:12 <PinkTomato> alias ls
14:13 <Flex> #ls Jop
14:13 <@armabot> Flex: timed out
14:13 <PinkTomato> it's an alias to a page wrtl's page
14:14 <PinkTomato> if you use the link, it goes back further
14:24 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
14:25 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
14:25 <BabyBug> advertising! #kick!
14:25 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: server trouble?
14:25 <Lucifer> yeah, lan trouble
14:25 <Lucifer> my router seems to ahve stopped taking connections and isn't itself plugged in
14:25 <PinkTomato> It work's here, but very slow
14:26 <Lucifer> er, hmmm, I wonder if it's nto plugged in, I only checked one side of the connection
14:27 <PinkTomato> If it's not plugged in wouldn't I get nothing?
14:34 <epsy> checked wifi? heh
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15:26 <madmax> #seen monkey_arma
15:26 <@armabot> madmax: monkey_arma was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201247&sid=2238c3c03ac7588806df29e9e527ed40#201247
15:33 <PinkTomato> damn
15:34 <PinkTomato> it's been a long time without monkey
15:34 <PinkTomato> #seen monkey_silent
15:34 <@armabot> PinkTomato: monkey_silent was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: * Monkey_silent ...
15:36 <epsy> http://www.interplay.com/
15:36 <epsy> They finally gave sign of live :)
15:37 <PinkTomato> Earthworm Jim is coming back?
15:37 <epsy> maybe
15:37 <PinkTomato> oo
15:37 <epsy> but they are working on an MMORPG for now, I heard
15:38 <epsy> note the very new drawing for descent :))
15:45 <pikey> hope they'll make fallout mmorpg someday
15:45 <pikey> then i'll ahve to abandon arma for a year :D
15:45 <pikey> or more
15:46 <epsy> talking about descent I might as well play a little of it :)
15:47 <pikey> didnt play the game for years :)
15:48 <epsy> still have it?
15:48  * epsy would like to have some noob matches
15:49 <pikey> got 2nd one somewhere
15:49 <pikey> on floppies :P
15:49 <epsy> can't get d2x-xl to work here :(
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16:09 <PinkTomato> #seen sagelord
16:09 <@armabot> PinkTomato: sagelord was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <SageLord> how do you change colors? Oo
16:12 <ct|kyle> #llog chat
16:12 <@armabot> ct|kyle: CHAT: [player] [message]
16:32 <epsy> #help llog
16:32 <@armabot> epsy: (llog <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://crazy-tronners.com/ladderlogconfig.php?config=$1".
16:32 <epsy> oh
16:32 <epsy> nice
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16:50 <Lucifer> can I get someone to send me an email?
16:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, email address?
16:52 <Lucifer> dave at davefancella dot com
16:53 <BabyBug> message sent
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16:55 <Lucifer> thanks, I got it
16:56 <Lucifer> hmmm, I had an email bounce that said my domain couldn't be resolved :(
16:58 <Lizmatic> nice excuse to get some attention luci :P
16:58 <Lucifer> heh
16:58 <BabyBug> he just wanted my email so we could cyber =x
17:00 <Lizmatic> BabyBug, that's cheating
17:00 <BabyBug> I'm not cheating!
17:00 <BabyBug> I even said in the email i'm not allowed to say i love yooh xD
17:00 <Lizmatic> we agreed that cybering with others would be cheating!
17:00 <BabyBug> i never said i was going to do it! ><
17:03 <Lizmatic> just checking on you =D
17:03  * Lizmatic growls
17:04  * BabyBug would never betray yooh <33
17:04 <ct|kyle> lier
17:04  * Lizmatic knows ^^ <3 same.
17:04 <BabyBug> newp
17:04 <BabyBug> you're wrong ct|kyle :P
17:05  * ct|kyle slaps BabyBug around with Lizmatic
17:06  * Lucifer doesn't cyber anyway
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17:07 <G5> .ping
17:08 <BabyBug> That's now what you were saying 2 weeks ago Lucifer ;)
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17:10 <Lizmatic> ct|kyle is jealous!
17:12 <ct|kyle> :'(
17:18 <BabyBug> They're jealous cause i have someone as great as you Lizmatic <3
17:21 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
17:21 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 20.7°F (11:21 AM EST on January 09, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising).  Winter Storm Warning in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 5 PM EST Saturday...
17:22 <ct|kyle> ~3CM of snow so far
17:22 <ct|kyle> i did not know Light snow could be near whiteout conditions
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18:28 <Lucifer> well, I might have to ride my bike today
18:28 <Lucifer> it's a beautiful day, and I haven't been riding in far too long
18:28 <ct|kyle> another CM of snow
18:30 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
18:30 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 73.0°F (11:30 AM CST on January 09, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
18:39 <Lizmatic> your bike? you mean supercool motorcycle or pink girly bycicle? :D
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18:48 <Lizmatic> appa!
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19:32 <Lucifer> many mountain bicycle
19:32 <Lucifer> er
19:32 <Lucifer> manly mountain bicycle
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19:35 <arrow> .si cafe
19:35 <arrow> #si cafe
19:35 <@armabot> arrow: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): CTxGonZaP, ct|Puuquie, CT~Voodoo (voodoo@forums), cT¤K-Yo, Pez, voxx1, ¦×¦ Hoax (Hoax@x/member)
20:04 <PinkTomato> #tea
20:04 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (18/32): 2020, CTT_speed, CTxGonZaP, ct|Puuquie, CT~Voodoo (voodoo@forums), epsy¦×¦, gArIsImO, ikono, juice keeper, man2d, Nii, pike, Pink Tomatoes (Pink\_Tomatoes@forums), voxx1, Z783, ¦<, ¦×¦ Hoax (Hoax@x/member)
20:06 <apparition> anyone ready for a super nooby question/
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20:06 <PinkTomato> I am if you want a nooby answer :)
20:07 <ct|kyle> apparition: n00b away :P
20:07 <apparition> :D do i have to sign up for an msn hotmail email address if i want to talk on MSN?
20:08 <PinkTomato> nope :)
20:08 <PinkTomato> passport.net
20:08 <apparition> i know that's retarded and stuff, but EVERYONE asks me what my MSN is. it seems to be more universal than AIM.
20:08 <PinkTomato> what's an AIM?
20:09 <PinkTomato> :P, I only have one person on my aim list
20:09 <ct|kyle> MSN sucks
20:09 <apparition> i know
20:09 <akira_arma> jabber?
20:09 <ct|kyle> they blocked my account
20:09 <apparition> i'm using a new chat client now though, so i don't have to deal with hotmail crap
20:09 <PinkTomato> why ct|kyle?
20:09 <akira_arma> jabber > msn/aim
20:09 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I donno, it just won't connect
20:10 <ct|kyle> i think because i used it to diss NASCAR :P
20:10 <PinkTomato> Lol
20:10 <apparition> nascar... barf
20:10 <PinkTomato> It sounds odd O_o, no idea why they would do such a thing
20:11 <PinkTomato> Anyway, I use pidgin, so it dosen't matter what the protocol is, all looks the same to me
20:11 <apparition> how do i use passport
20:11 <PinkTomato> register it with your email address
20:11 <PinkTomato> passport.net is one of the stupid sites that force you to have www. so don't forget that
20:12 <apparition> i made that mistake first, but worked it out
20:12 <apparition> lol
20:13 <PinkTomato> I thought AIM was the worse of the two
20:16 <apparition> idk, i like aim. been using it for 10 years.
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20:33 <Lucifer> jabber > all
20:34 <apparition> all i need is a freaking login
20:34 <apparition> for msn
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20:34 <PinkTomato> has passport.net got you answering too many questions?
20:34 <BabyBug> Boo! I see yooh
20:34 <PinkTomato> waaa!
20:35 <apparition> no, it's just that my email was linked to an xbox live account
20:35 <apparition> so it was effing with me
20:38 <PinkTomato> typical
20:48 <apparition> okay, is anyone using msn?
20:49 <epsy> somewhat
20:49 <apparition> right now though
20:49 <epsy> connected, but no more
20:49 <apparition> can you try sending a message to my new account to test?
20:49 <epsy> no, except if you hand me your account's ID :)
20:50 <apparition> crime.wav@live.com
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20:50 <BabyBug> Why were you using passport.net if you had a live.com account :s
20:51 <epsy> isnt it the same thing?
20:51 <apparition> i just signed up for a live.com account because passport wasn't working for me
20:51 <BabyBug> oh i see
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20:55 <SageLord> yo, whats up
20:55 <Lucifer> #ping
20:55 <@armabot> pong
20:56 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
20:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
20:59 <madmax> you can associate mail with the passport thingy
20:59 <madmax> *emails
21:00 <PinkTomato> hi SageLord :)
21:00 <PinkTomato> fort brawl is next week?
21:16 <apparition> i'll try
21:24 <apparition> fart brawl is sunday the 18
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21:32 <Lucifer_arma> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
21:32 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: timed out
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
21:33 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
21:33 <PinkTomato> it's armbot being silly
21:33 <akira_arma> @tea
21:33 <epsy> I really don't get why I can't connect to my apache on IPv6
21:33 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
21:33 <epsy> if I restart apache one time, it works fine
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22:08 <arrow> #si cafe
22:08 <@armabot> arrow: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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22:40 <TaZ> epsy
22:42 <Hoax> yes TaZ
22:42 <Hoax> how goes it
22:43 <ct|kyle> he Hoax
22:43 <ct|kyle> hey*
22:43 <PinkTomato> hey ct|kyle :)
22:43 <Hoax> kyle
22:43 <ct|kyle> oi PinkTomato
22:43 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
22:43 <madmax> dlh: that oldglancing branch gets merges from trunk?
22:43 <Hoax> pff PinkTomato jumping in on my hi
22:43 <dlh> madmax: yeah
22:43 <ct|kyle> heh
22:43 <PinkTomato> lol, hi hoax, TaZ too :)
22:44 <madmax> k, thanks
22:44 <akira_arma> @tea
22:44 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Zwing, ~*PsYkOSiS*~, °DoCtOr°
22:44 <Hoax> psh you all ruined it now
22:44 <PinkTomato> I know, sorry :D
22:44 <Hoax> might aswell just go cafe
22:44 <Hoax> ill mess with TaZ later
22:45 <PinkTomato> #seen Concord
22:45 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Concord was last seen in #armagetron 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Concord> nsh22 a bunch of us are in ct ladle 2 if you are around
22:45 <PinkTomato> so, 6 hours to go
22:45 <epsy> TaZ, don't [implicitely] ask to ask, just ask
22:46 <ct|kyle> lol PinkTomato, less than that
22:46 <PinkTomato> oh yeah, that was last message, I want first :D
22:46 <ct|kyle> couple hours
22:48 <PinkTomato> ok, wait till concord and the rest of US gets out of work, and I'll try spork'ing
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22:49 <ct|kyle> #si S P O R K
22:49 <@armabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “s p o r k” at the moment, sorry.
22:50 <epsy> TaZ, haha, I see
22:53 <TaZ> hey everyone
22:53 <TaZ> epsy
22:53 <epsy> stop just putting my nickname on a single line like this
22:53 <TaZ> what's going on with the TST confirmations?
22:53 <epsy> [22:45] <epsy>: TaZ, don't [implicitely] ask to ask, just ask
22:54 <TaZ> I was busy, geez
22:54 <epsy> TaZ, well, you somehow signed up two times and you each confirmed for a different subscription
22:54 <TaZ> haa
22:54 <TaZ> Can you just manually set it up?
22:54 <epsy> I'll send you an email with the right link
22:54 <TaZ> ok
22:56 <epsy> sent
22:58 <TaZ> ok
22:58 <TaZ> are we in an American server?
22:59 <epsy> US server at 20:00
23:00 <TaZ> kk cool
23:02  * fonkay is sick of winter already.
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23:07 <Lucifer> did pink tomato just drive-by spork us?
23:18 <ct|kyle> #si S P O R K
23:18 <@armabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “s p o r k” at the moment, sorry.
23:18 <ct|kyle> he did not even put the server up for us
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23:23 <Flex> ct|kyle, can you lock the thread and delete the nonsense.. you're basically mocking me
23:23 <Flex> the problem has been resolved
23:23 <ct|kyle> Post that
23:23 <Flex> i'm not going to post replies to cycle pictures
23:23 <ct|kyle> and then I'll lock it just in case
23:24 <Flex> is that fair?
23:24 <Flex> they're good stuff, for sure.. but maybe move them to a more relevent thread
23:25 <ct|kyle> Flex: LOL, I'm just sick of hearing it all, we had a private thread on it, then the armagetronad one and then the one you posted. that is why i put the cycles up
23:26 <Flex> i know, i understand
23:27 <Flex> got some great art there.. it should have it's own thread and be carried on ;)
23:27 <Lizmatic> the art in there sucks
23:27 <Lizmatic> you all suck
23:27  * Lizmatic sucks
23:27 <ct|kyle> lol :D YThe purpose was to stop the chatter in that thread
23:28 <ct|kyle> Lizmatic: only BabyBug
23:28  * BabyBug cuddles Lizmatic..You don't suck dear!!
23:28 <Flex> only BabyBug sucks things..
23:28 <BabyBug> and...?
23:29 <Lizmatic> BabyBug you're straight? :s I hate you.
23:29 <Flex> joking home girl
23:29  * Lizmatic cries
23:29 <BabyBug> nuuu ='(
23:29 <BabyBug> how many times do i have to say i wont cheat on you woman xD
23:30 <Flex> Lizmatic doesn't mind.. so are you up for having fun BabyBug?
23:34 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ac9eb51.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
23:35  * Flex puts on wizard hat
23:35  * Flex grabs wand
23:35  * Flex looks at Lizmatic
23:36 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: came back from SPORKING us
23:36 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
23:36 <PinkTomato> #spork
23:38 <PinkTomato> #si S P O R K
23:38 <@armabot> PinkTomato: S P O R K: Players (1/1): snowcone
23:38 <PinkTomato> whoops
23:38 <ct|kyle> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png
23:38  * Lizmatic feels awkward
23:39 <PinkTomato> #llog LADDERLOG_WRITE_ROUND
23:39 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
23:39  * BabyBug makes Lizmatic feel more awkward ;)
23:39 <TaZ> Windows 7 will suck
23:39 <TaZ> Just like Vista
23:39 <ct|kyle> windows 7 does Suck
23:39 <TaZ> You already got the beta?
23:39 <ct|kyle> Not quite as much as vista
23:39 <PinkTomato> I don't like the big taskbar
23:39 <ct|kyle> ya torrent
23:39 <TaZ> cool
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23:40 <PinkTomato> didn't Microsoft release it legally?
23:40 <TaZ> I thought about downloading, but didn't want to offend my mac.
23:40 <ct|kyle> you can shrink the taskbar (i did)
23:40 <ct|kyle> today
23:40 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
23:40 <ct|kyle> i had it weeks ago
23:40 <PinkTomato> ah right
23:40 <PinkTomato> I probably need something stupid like 40GB to try it
23:40 <TaZ> lol
23:40 <ct|kyle> 10-12
23:40 <PinkTomato> excactly ;)
23:41 <TaZ> that's still a lot
23:41 <ct|kyle> c:\windows was 7.4 GB
23:41 <ct|kyle> i forgot to look right after in installed it
23:41 <TaZ> what did they add to make it 2.6-4.6 GB's bigger
23:41 <PinkTomato> #llog round
23:41 <@armabot> PinkTomato: NEW_ROUND: [date] [time] || NEXT_ROUND: [round] [total_rounds] [map_file] [round_center_message] || ROUND_WINNER: [team]
23:41 <ct|kyle> c:\ was 10 GB with firefox and tron
23:42 <ct|kyle> fierfox and pidgin actually
23:42 <TaZ> anyone tried snow leopard?
23:42 <epsy> as fur?
23:42 <TaZ> lolz
23:42 <TaZ> the OS
23:42 <PinkTomato> what's that?
23:42 <PinkTomato> sounds like a mac
23:42 <TaZ> .g snow leopard
23:43 <PinkTomato> Macintosh is too closed
23:43 <TaZ> ok well that failed
23:43 <epsy> @g snow leopard
23:43 <teabot> epsy: http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/ - Apple - Mac OS X Leopard - Snow Leopard
23:43 <epsy> PinkTomato, *apple
23:43 <PinkTomato> Ah correct :)
23:43 <TaZ> :)
23:43 <epsy> [23:42] <TaZ>: anyone tried snow leopard?
23:44 <epsy> « ... Snow Leopard — scheduled to ship in about a year — builds on Leopard’s enormous innovations  ... »
23:44 <PinkTomato> looks the same as mac os ten
23:44 <TaZ> The beta has been seeded already epsy
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23:44 <epsy> PinkTomato, same here
23:44 <epsy> TaZ, then that's not snow leopard
23:45 <PinkTomato> #sd -v s p o r k
23:45 <TaZ> yes it is
23:45 <@armabot> PinkTomato: S P O R K ( running 0.2.8_alpha20090108 unix dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “Admin Contact: PinkTomato, Settings by Durka. TST staff here now have administrative access.“, Players (1/16): snowcone
23:45 <epsy> it's like you take some random snapshot of arma and say it's
23:45 <TaZ> oO
23:45 <TaZ> not exactly
23:46 <PinkTomato> a bear in lion's clothing
23:46 <TaZ> @google snow leopard seeded
23:46 <teabot> TaZ: http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/10/snow-leopard-seeded-to-wwdc-developers/ - OS X 10.6 &#39;Snow Leopard&#39; Seeded to WWDC Developers - Mac Rumors
23:46 <TaZ> seeded a long time ago
23:46 <epsy> TaZ, still, it's not ready one year before the release
23:46 <epsy> what did you think??
23:46 <TaZ> it's a beta, of course
23:47 <TaZ> it's not ready to be released
23:47 <PinkTomato> google has a new favicon! :D
23:47 <epsy> so it's not snow leopard
23:47 <epsy> again?
23:47 <epsy> eek
23:47 <TaZ> oO
23:47 <TaZ> epsy, you ok?
23:47 <epsy> horrible
23:47 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: its had that for months
23:48 <epsy> ct|kyle, check again
23:48 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: It's not the grey one
23:48 <ct|kyle> ah
23:48 <epsy> is google going through a site redesign anytime?
23:48  * PinkTomato hopes not
23:49 <ct|kyle> i had to open opera to see it
23:49 <epsy> well, google's design sucks
23:49 <PinkTomato> well, they have not really done any big redesign lately
23:49 <TaZ> epsy..snow leopard is  OSX 10.6, it's been released, but as an early release
23:49 <PinkTomato> TaZ: any screenshots?
23:49 <epsy> considering the criterias I mentionned yesterday
23:49 <epsy> TaZ, 10.6earlyrelease, but not 10.6
23:50 <TaZ> It's still snow leopard
23:50 <epsy> eh, still not
23:50 <TaZ> i'm not saying it's complete epsy
23:50 <TaZ> it's an early release
23:51 <TaZ> still has some work to be done
23:51 <epsy> it's like saying 0.3.1 is 0.4.0
23:51 <TaZ> no, it's not
23:51 <epsy> what is the difference?
23:51 <TaZ> it's like saying the upgrades to 10.5 are not leopard.
23:51 <TaZ> 10.54 is still leopard
23:52 <TaZ> 10.55 is still leopard
23:52 <epsy> it is leopard, since 10.5 was tagged leopard
23:52 <TaZ> 10.6 is tagged snow leopard
23:52 <TaZ> are you getting it?
23:52 <epsy> and it isn't released
23:52 <PinkTomato> 10.6 is, the final 2.6
23:52 <PinkTomato> :)
23:52 <TaZ> it was released
23:52 <TaZ> to developers
23:52 <epsy> you mean the final 0.3.1 ?
23:53 <TaZ> an early build of snow leopard
23:53 <PinkTomato> excactly!, still WiP
23:53 <PinkTomato> I can't sell that as snow leopard can I?
23:53 <TaZ> haha no
23:53 <epsy> that's a developer preview
23:54 <epsy> just as 0.3.*
23:54 <TaZ> but it's still snow leopard
23:54 <TaZ> just not the final version
23:54 <PinkTomato> Hmmm
23:54 <TaZ> just like windows 7
23:54 <PinkTomato> I'm a bit worried
23:54 <PinkTomato> I think it'll be delayed
23:54 <PinkTomato> they aim to release it within the year, and all they can show me is one page?
23:54 <TaZ> i don't think enough features were added
23:55 <PinkTomato> oh, and have a screenshot of excactly what I have already seen
23:55 <PinkTomato> and notes about what macintosh should have had in the last release (64-bit) etc
23:55 <TaZ> yea
23:55 <epsy> TaZ, it's like saying 0.3.1 is 0.4.0, again
23:56 <epsy> 0.3.* are developer(well, only artists for now) preview
23:56 <TaZ> epsy, i'm done arguing. its plain to see that we both have different opinions.
23:56 <epsy> that thing you mentionned is a developer preview
23:56 <epsy> you're saying it IS what they will release in one year
23:57 <TaZ> I said earlier it was an early build of "snow leopard"
23:57 <epsy> don't get me wrong, you just said snow leopard
23:57 <epsy> lol
23:59 <TaZ> ok I guess I should have said" has anyone tried snow leopard early build"
23:59 <TaZ> :)
23:59 <epsy> developer preview is what it's called
23:59 <PinkTomato> there isn't even a screenshot on the internet
23:59 <epsy> that gives a really better idea of what it is, tbh
23:59 <PinkTomato> so I doubt anyone has :)

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00:00 <TaZ> haha
00:00 <TaZ> i will remember to be more specific with you epsy
00:00 <epsy> it's not being more specific, it's not the saem thing
00:00 <PinkTomato> Oh, and knowing Apple, they probably wouldn't let you tell anyone that you have it anyway.
00:01 <epsy> talking about NDAs still didn't hear about a linux GL :(
00:01 <epsy> QL *
00:01 <TaZ> yea, don't they have a NDA?
00:02 <TaZ> epsy
00:02 <TaZ> the palm pre
00:02 <TaZ> what do you think?
00:02 <epsy> the what
00:02 <epsy> @g palm pre
00:02 <teabot> epsy: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html - Palm.com : Shop : Pre
00:02 <PinkTomato> @g apple newton
00:02 <teabot> PinkTomato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton - Newton (platform) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:03 <TaZ> lol @ the newton
00:03 <epsy> half invisible phone!
00:03 <TaZ> haha
00:03 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
00:04 <TaZ> i saw a preview of the browser..it was better than the iPhones
00:04 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/TaZ1.png
00:05 <TaZ> heh
00:05 <epsy> errr..windows mobile?
00:05 <TaZ> yes...:/
00:05 <TaZ> it also has wireless charging
00:05 <epsy> I wonder how many people use that
00:05 <TaZ> alot of poeple you winmo
00:06 <epsy> charging for using wifi .. at home?
00:06 <TaZ> wireless charging base
00:06 <TaZ> no wires needed
00:06 <epsy> ah
00:06 <TaZ> uses something with magnets
00:06 <epsy> and a dynamo?
00:07 <epsy> I didn't see anyone use windows mobile yet
00:07 <TaZ> idk, i haven't read into it
00:07 <TaZ> it's like those electric toothbrush stations
00:08 <TaZ> what do they use in Paris, symbian?
00:08 <epsy> since pretty much every phone out there uses symbian, under different flavors, yes
00:08 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r651 adding /team and /msg to chatlog when configured
00:10 <TaZ> no
00:10 <TaZ> you have winmo, BREW, android, palm's os
00:10 <TaZ> many more
00:10 <epsy> 90% is symbian-based
00:11 <epsy> (90% of sold units)
00:11 <TaZ> proof?
00:11 <epsy> read: most
00:11 <PinkTomato> isn't symbian only Nokia?
00:11 <TaZ> no
00:11 <epsy> proof? all mobile phone manufactures invest in symbian
00:11 <epsy> *almost all
00:12 <TaZ> but I don't believe that most phones are of the symbian os
00:12 <epsy> _that_ is why android isn't pushing in
00:12 <epsy> they are
00:12 <TaZ> Yes, some phone companies do, but not all
00:12 <TaZ> and some invest very little
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00:14 <epsy> except a very few phones in their arsenals, all of most phone manufacters will be symbian-based
00:14 <TaZ> Symbian is the main OS for Nokia phones and sometimes SE
00:14 <epsy> (and sometimes really lack decent work on it)
00:14 <epsy> yes
00:14 <epsy> Nokia is gonna buy it all
00:14 <TaZ> oh yea, i heard
00:15 <PinkTomato> I just remembered where I first shown armagetronad
00:15 <PinkTomato> work experience week :D
00:15 <epsy> you can put the word work in quotes already :D
00:15 <PinkTomato> lol :D
00:16 <TaZ> epsy, barely most of the mobile phone market use symbian
00:16 <epsy> most, except the very latest phones
00:16 <TaZ> no
00:17 <TaZ> early PDA's maybe
00:17 <epsy> probably because they don't bother to maintain their own flavor anymore, and s60 is too expensive or whatever
00:17 <TaZ> yea, I was just saying that most phones these days don't have symbian
00:18 <TaZ> nor back in the day
00:18 <TaZ> well maybe when Nokia ruled the market :P
00:18 <epsy> if you take all the phones that have been advertised last months, there are no symbians except s60's
00:18 <TaZ> yea
00:18 <TaZ> no wait
00:18 <TaZ> s40 too
00:18 <TaZ> I saw some
00:19 <epsy> it was not very advertised, I guess :)
00:19 <PinkTomato> Mobiles phone and text, they all do the same thing and never change much, yet people always strive to upgrade and get the new contract. So it may come with a new gimmicky feature, have you ever received a video call? People only use Mobiles for those primary functions, Call and Text.
00:19 <TaZ> in fact, i saw what looked like a N series phone, with s40
00:19 <TaZ> i was like..wtf?
00:19 <epsy> PinkTomato, camera
00:19 <epsy> TaZ, lol
00:20 <PinkTomato> epsy: Ah I forgot that one, yeah camera's are popular on phones, they are getting close to a proper one.
00:20 <epsy> PinkTomato, packing up the music player, camera and phone is something I want :) at least for the music player
00:20 <TaZ> n95 used to have one of the best mobile cameras
00:20 <epsy> it now doesn't have anymore? :)
00:21 <TaZ> nah, i think some one has beaten them to it
00:21 <TaZ> i'll have to find the link..it may have been another nokia actually..
00:21 <epsy> well, if you're just sticking to who's got the most megapenisses
00:21 <epsy> there was a 6MP one
00:21 <TaZ> nah, im talking quality wise
00:21 <epsy> dont know who from
00:21 <PinkTomato> it's the lens that counts anyway
00:22 <TaZ> epsy, http://www.engadgetmobile.com/  my favorite site
00:22 <TaZ> i love the carl zeiss lens that nokia uses
00:22 <epsy> IBM does phones?
00:22 <TaZ> oO
00:22 <PinkTomato> TaZ: iPhone?
00:22 <TaZ> they do?
00:23 <TaZ> iPhone's camera sucks haha
00:23 <epsy> http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/09/lenovos-android-powered-ophone-to-hit-china-mobile-this-quarter/
00:23 <PinkTomato> Oh I know! :D
00:23 <TaZ> I have one though
00:23 <epsy> PinkTomato, reviews say that it sucks to use
00:23 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: how about a new CTF map if there are more 8 players
00:23 <epsy> mainly because of the touchscreen interface
00:23 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: why what goes wrong with CTF over 8?
00:23 <epsy> it's like, you have a preview and you have to hide the preview to take a shot
00:23 <ct|kyle> too many people
00:24 <TaZ> i guess so epsy lol
00:24 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: is it? hmm...
00:24 <TaZ> i love iphone's UI
00:24 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: What would need to be different?
00:25 <TaZ> it was such a hard choice to choose between the n95 and the iphone
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00:25 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: what is the current MAP_FILE
00:25 <PinkTomato> That was easy for my friend, Nokia gave them one free for beta
00:25 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: just an idea i have
00:25 <TaZ> :o lucckyy
00:25 <TaZ> i still want a n96
00:26 <PinkTomato> TaZ: it broke Really quickly though,
00:26 <TaZ> was it the slider?
00:26 <ct|kyle> oi Concord
00:26 <PinkTomato> I think so
00:26 <TaZ> i heard a lot of bad things about it
00:26 <TaZ> ah
00:26 <Concord> hey, ky
00:27 <epsy> heh, sliders always break
00:27 <TaZ> i wish they would update the e90 :/
00:27 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: sorry for the wait: it is: MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
00:27 -!- TaZ is now known as Guest96252
00:27 <Guest96252> ??
00:28 <epsy> you were using a registered + protected nick, apparently
00:28 <PinkTomato> Guest96252: don't look at us, you are the one that renamed yourself
00:28 <Guest96252> "NickServ	taz_!i=aabdalla@hyperion.dreamhost.com has released your nickname."
00:28 <Guest96252> I didnt
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00:29 <PinkTomato> Concord: spork is working now without conflicting configurations :)
00:29 <Concord> =D w00t!
00:29 <TaZ_> htc makes the ugliest phones epsy
00:30 <Concord> wd!
00:30 <TaZ_> except for the touch HD
00:30 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: can you pastebin the serverside one?
00:30 <epsy> lol
00:30 <epsy> why are you talking about htc now?
00:30 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: Could I use $_SESSION['players']= <<NUM_OF_PLAYERS>>
00:30 <TaZ_> i was looking at some of their announced phones at CES
00:30 <PinkTomato> I've not worked out how to solve the statelessness in scripts
00:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: it already looks like you're wanting to use session variables for it
00:32  * epsy wants QL for linux :((
00:33 <Lucifer> QL?
00:33 <epsy> quakelive
00:33 <epsy> basically, q3a, free of charge, from any browser
00:33 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: ignore the PLAYER_ENTERED bit, that was a little fun I was having :). http://pastebin.com/d2d48afbb
00:34 <TaZ_> why can't you play it on linux?
00:34 <epsy> they dont have linux builds yet
00:35 <TaZ_> ah
00:35 <TaZ_> will this work for mac?
00:35 <epsy> they dont have mac builds yet
00:35 <TaZ_> :|
00:35 <epsy> they say they will work on osx support, then on lin ux support, although it seems someone's already working on the linux port
00:35 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: you would still have to set it with the
00:35 <ct|kyle> #llog NUM_
00:36 <@armabot> ct|kyle: NUM_HUMANS: [number_of_players]
00:36 <TaZ_> ok
00:36 <epsy> also, luke-jr will be happy as they use XMPP
00:36 <epsy> and Lucifer for the fact they use python for some parts
00:37 <epsy> and BabyBug, too!
00:37 <Lucifer> beind id, the company run by the armadillo aerospace guy, isn't already enough?
00:37 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: but I still could use $_SESSION like a webpage?
00:37 <BabyBug> hello?
00:37 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I think so
00:37 <TaZ_> ql will use XMPP?
00:37 <PinkTomato> I'll try it.
00:37 <epsy> TaZ_, for buddy management and, apparently, authentication
00:37 <TaZ_> o
00:38 <epsy> (it already does, as reported by some players)
00:39 <epsy> (for the python part, a mail reveals it all, muahahaha <https://mailman.ik.nu/pipermail/twisted-jabber/2008-May/000149.html>)
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00:44 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: $_SESSION didn't work
00:44 <ct|kyle> just use $num_players or something
00:45 <PinkTomato> ah, but its stateless?
00:45 <PinkTomato> I can't get the information from another line
00:45 <PinkTomato> wondering whats the best way to do it, last time I wrote a temporary file to disk
00:46 <epsy> good night
00:46 <PinkTomato> night epsy:)
00:46 <ct|kyle> good night epsy :)
00:48  * PinkTomato forgot  session_start()
00:48  * epsy slaps PinkTomato 
00:48 <Hoax> nn peps
00:49 <TaZ_> g'nite epsy
00:49 <PinkTomato> night Hoax :)
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00:49 <Hoax> trying to get rid of me PinkTomato? :|
00:50 <Lucifer> what are you trying to do, PinkTomato (hi there!) ?
00:50 <PinkTomato> Hoax you said nn peps, as in night to all, rather than to one :)
00:51 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I'm trying to store the variable NUM_HUMANS to use on the line ROUND_COMMENCING
00:51 <Hoax> peps as in epsy ;/
00:51 <Lucifer> er, I was wanting a more foresty answer, you gave me a tree
00:52 <PinkTomato> Hoax ah didn't make that connection :)
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00:52 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I gave you a tree?
00:52 <Lucifer> yeah
00:52 <PinkTomato> and you need a forest?
00:53 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer
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00:53 <Lucifer> it looks to me like you've made a design error, so I was asking what you were trying to design :)
00:55 <PinkTomato> OK, I am reading every line one at a time in ladderlog.txt. Using CTSTY and PHP. When NUM_HUMANS appear, I want to store that integer, so that when ROUND_COMMENCING appears, I can make a decision to load one map when there are less people, and another map when there are lots of people. :).
00:56 <Lucifer> ok, and why do you need session variables?  Regular variables should work fine for that
00:56 <Lucifer> $num_humans = whatever;
00:56 <Lucifer> the hard part is telling the server to change the map :)
00:57 <PinkTomato> PHP is stateless?
00:57 <Lucifer> php is a scripting language
00:57 <Lucifer> http is stateless
00:58 <PinkTomato> $humans did not work, and I think its the way I call the script in bash,  it reads the line, opens php, php processes and php closes.
00:58 <Lucifer> heh, yeah, that's bad design :)
00:58 <Lucifer> you need to write it as a program, not a webpage
00:59 <Lucifer> so, use loops and stuff
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01:00 <PinkTomato> OK, I'll see if CT wiki helps, I think I saw what I need to do on that
01:06 <PinkTomato> Thanks Lucifer :), stuck a while (1), now works :)
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01:20 <PinkTomato> damn is it normal to have people trying random user logins with names such as maegan etc?
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01:23 <PinkTomato> hi sinewav :)
01:23 <sinewav> hi there
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01:23 <PinkTomato> wb Concord
01:23 <Concord> thanx
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01:35 <PinkTomato> Concord what did you want SERVER_NAME to be?
01:35 <Concord> er
01:36 <Concord> 0x775588the 0xffffffTRONIC 0x775588Spork
01:36 <Concord> perhaps?
01:36 <Concord> =}
01:39 <PinkTomato> #sd spork
01:39 <@armabot> PinkTomato: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “spork” at the moment, sorry.
01:40 <ct|kyle> #si spork
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01:40 <@armabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “spork” at the moment, sorry.
01:41 <PinkTomato> I forgot to put server_name behind it *embrass*
01:41 <ct|kyle> heh i did that once
01:42 <PinkTomato> That name is pretty neat :D
01:42  * PinkTomato likes colours
01:43 <PinkTomato> royal Purple :D
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01:44 <PinkTomato> #si spork
01:44 <@armabot> PinkTomato: the TRONIC Spork: Players (0/16):
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01:50 <smoothice> PinkTomato: nice job lol
01:59 <smoothice> PinkTomato: map still broken
01:59 <smoothice> PinkTomato: locked out by 404
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02:24 <Concord> #si spork
02:24 <@armabot> Concord: the TRONIC Spork: Players (5/16): <backspace>, Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), nroc, Pink Tomatoes, Roy
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02:56 <PinkTomato> Concord: You have a link on playfortress that instead of leading to Wilid West, has a quick description of the Israel-Palestine conflict :)
02:56 <Concord> do i?
02:56 <Concord> xP
02:56 <Concord> where?
02:57 <PinkTomato> :D Barometer: the most "significant of these" was found at Lagtest.net.
02:58 <Concord> wups
02:59 <Concord> ty
03:00 <PinkTomato> :)
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05:44 <smoothice> #ubuntu
05:44 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
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12:07 <sav22> @ping
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13:04 <i2020> breep
13:10 <epsy> oh crap, I now have USD 12.600.000
13:10 <epsy> in my junk mail
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13:29 <i2020> big problem epsy
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14:33 <BabyBug> o/
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14:49 <PinkTomato> morning o/
15:02 <K-Yo> oi :)
15:03 <K-Yo> (15:03 here xD)
15:04 <PinkTomato> hehe :D, Only just realised that it's 2pm already! :)
15:08 <K-Yo> :)
15:08 <K-Yo> 15 = 3pm :/
15:15 <PinkTomato> 2pm here* already, whoops :)
15:18 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, aren't you in the US?
15:18 <K-Yo> I thought so...
15:18 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: nope, UK :D
15:18 <PinkTomato> my server is, confusingly :)
15:19 <K-Yo> :)
15:21 <K-Yo> wow
15:21 <K-Yo> epsy, you there?
15:21 <K-Yo> is the latest windows trunk supposed to work?
15:22 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: it dosen't work for either?
15:22 <PinkTomato> mine has ___ everywhere
15:22 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, yeah, same!
15:22 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, and seem fullscreen key doesn't work either
15:22 <PinkTomato> it's so wierd!
15:22 <PinkTomato> or the console input
15:22 <K-Yo> same?
15:22 <K-Yo> did u do some screen shots?
15:23 <PinkTomato> It just crashes a lot. only one: http://dessert.ath.cx/underscored_arma.png
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15:25 <K-Yo> yeah
15:25 <K-Yo> hey zmanuel
15:25 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: Compiled a debug version though,
15:25 <PinkTomato> that one works fine
15:25 <zmanuel> whut?
15:25 <K-Yo> zmanuel, what about the latest (trunk) win built ?
15:25 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
15:26 <z-man> what about it? I didn't do one.
15:26 <K-Yo> hmmm
15:26 <K-Yo> maybe wrtl did then
15:26 <z-man> And I'm still busy with other stuff here.
15:26 <K-Yo> :)
15:26 <K-Yo> gl then ;)
15:26 <K-Yo> I won't annoy you with it :)
15:26 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: I think z-man posted something regarding the build scripts are what are likely causing it, being out of date
15:27 <z-man> Out of date and incomplete by design.
15:27 <z-man> Lucifer's move to python may fix both :)
15:28 <BabyBug> \o/ python
15:28 <Lucifer> I have to admit I'm not seeing how, but it's likely there's just stuff that isn't being done in windows that needs to be done
15:28  * Lucifer is working on it still, just hungry right now
15:28 <z-man> Feel free to delegate some scripts. Just not to me right now :)
15:29 <z-man> (later perhaps, but we're home again and I have lots of cleaning up and shopping to do to make life with three legs possible)
15:29 <z-man> three healty legs.
15:29 <z-man> between two people.
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15:38 <Lucifer> heh, I tried to get epsy to rewrite version as a python script :)
15:38 <BabyBug> fail miserably Lucifer?
15:39 <Lucifer> he's working in the trunk, and I haven't checked to see if he did it
15:40  * Lucifer needs to re-work how resources are copied from proto to included
15:51 <Lucifer> that's neat
15:51 <Lucifer> if you're writing a comment line in Kate, and you want to make the next line a comment line,
15:51 <Lucifer> press shift-return and it'll be made so
15:51 <BabyBug> kate?
15:51 <madmax> don't you use the editor you've written? :P
15:51 <PinkTomato> KDE text editor I think ?
15:52 <PinkTomato> I'll remember that tip :)
15:57 <Lucifer> madmax: no, I don't use it anymore
15:57 <Lucifer> never finished porting it to qt4
15:57 <Lucifer> and I needed stuff from it that I just didn't have time to add :(
15:58 <madmax> oh
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16:19 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: I think the problems with the current windows build is related to the use of option -O2 when compiling. I have no idea what -O2 does. :)
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16:23 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: I'm sure that's the problem now, something is causing -O2 to fail in windows, I have a working windows armagetron 0.3.1 now :)
16:42 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, okay
16:42 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, u got a bin? :D
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16:49 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: a binary? try: http://dessert.ath.cx/download/armagetronad-0.3.1_alpha2.win32_compileoption.exe :)
16:50 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, ty :)
17:08 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: does it work?
17:08 <Lucifer> obviously, he's been off playing for 18 minutes now
17:09 <PinkTomato> hehe, Lucifer :)
17:09 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: check the incam view with the default cockpit ;)
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17:17 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: -O2 is just to set the level of code optimization
17:17 <Lucifer> performance may suffer, but how can it be called suffering if the game doesn't work when optimized?
17:19 <Lucifer> ok, I can't concentrate, I'm just too hungry
17:19 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: ah :), sounds like it'll be a pain to debug though
17:26 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, what's stragne there?
17:27 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: Strange where :)?
17:28 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, cockpit
17:28 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: Has voodoo's Rear-view :)
17:28 <K-Yo> orly?
17:28 <K-Yo> not for me :/
17:30 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, I don't have default xD
17:30 <PinkTomato> you have the minimal cockpit_file i think :)
17:30 <PinkTomato> K-Yo:  :) hehe
17:30 <K-Yo> I have sol's
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17:49 <nsh22> hey
17:51 <K-Yo> hi nsh22
17:52 <ivantis2> z-man, you have AIM right? username?
17:52 <z-man> I have it, but I don't use it.
17:52 <nsh22> y are ther 3 ivantises
17:53 <ivantis2> different computers
17:53 <nsh22> oh
17:53 <PinkTomato> but there's only one ivantis
17:54 <nsh22> lol
17:54 <nsh22> i kind figured that
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17:57 <animuson> hes not even here >_> u coulda just told me :P
17:57 <PinkTomato> #seen hoop
17:57 <@armabot> PinkTomato: hoop was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <hoop> ah!
17:57 <PinkTomato> hoop's been on a long absence
17:57 <nsh22> #seen neal
17:57 <@armabot> nsh22: I have not seen neal.
17:58 <nsh22> #seen nsh22
17:58 <@armabot> nsh22: nsh22 was last seen in #armagetron 11 seconds ago: <nsh22> #seen neal
18:05 <ivantis2> dude. where is hoop gone?
18:06 <ivantis2> we were working on something together
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18:07 <PinkTomato> probably just Christmas :)
18:10 <K-Yo> #ls hoop
18:10 <madmax> hoop was on just yesterday
18:11 <@armabot> K-Yo: -»|hoop has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 17 hours 14 minutes ago.
18:11 <K-Yo> today too
18:11 <Lizmatic> #ls flex
18:11 <K-Yo> well
18:11 <Lizmatic> #ls sav
18:11 <ivantis2> yeah. i probably wouldnt have been online during break so much if i didnt have a G1
18:11 <@armabot> Lizmatic: Flexgirl has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 4 hours 47 minutes ago.
18:11 <@armabot> Lizmatic: j1qsavv has last been seen on The YELLOW Submarine 3 hours 57 minutes ago.
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18:28 <nsh22> my comp crashed :( stupid windows movie maker
18:29 <madmax> lol
18:29 <nsh22> #ident
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18:29 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
18:29 <nsh22> hey david pinto
18:32 <nsh22> i need more pie
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18:33 <P4> teabot: echo whoami
18:33 <teabot> whoami
18:33 <P4> teabot: echo #whoami
18:33 <teabot> #whoami
18:33 <@armabot> teabot: I don't recognize you.
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18:34 <nsh22> #identidy
18:34 <nsh22> #identify
18:34 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
18:36  * nsh22 has more pie
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18:48 <ivantis2> oop! google has changed their icon once more
18:48 <nsh22> lol
18:48 <nsh22> i noticed that as well
18:48 <ivantis2> i just now noticed
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18:53 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/ctf/ctf_spork-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
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19:03 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: PING
19:04 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: pong :)
19:14 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: never mind, was testing new map, but server has errors
19:14 <PinkTomato> oh :)
19:17 <nsh22> ello
19:27 <ivantis2> anyone here have a Wii?
19:27 <nsh22> no
19:28 <ivantis2> really? it only took you that long to pm everyone to ask if they have a wii?
19:28 <Lucifer> I have to take a wii
19:28 <Lucifer> I have a wii wii
19:28 <Lucifer> wii, this is fun
19:29 <nsh22> lol how about wii stop this be for wii cant control ourselves any longer XD
19:29 <nsh22> jk
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19:32 <madmax> reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6hhvvWltWc
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19:51 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
19:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
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20:12 <akira_arma> @tea
20:12 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:17 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m320e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #armagetron
20:18 <ivantis2> do you believe this? ivantis is already taken as a screenname on AIM
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20:42 <madmax> #googlefight ivantis notivantis
20:42 <Lizz> hi maxxy
20:44 <epsy> one more liz around here
20:45 <epsy> #fight ivantis ivantis2 ivantis3
20:45 <@armabot> epsy: Error: The command "fight" is available in the Alias, Google, and Sourceforge plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "fight".
20:45 <epsy> #google fight ivantis ivantis2 ivantis3
20:45 <@armabot> epsy: ivantis: 3290, ivantis2: 123, ivantis3: 54
20:45 <epsy> @nickometer
20:45 <Lizz> epsy: i dont hang around.. i just float in and out lol
20:45 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "epsy" is 0.0%.
20:45 <epsy> @nickometer ivantis
20:45 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ivantis" is 0.0%.
20:45 <epsy> @nickometer ivantis2
20:45 <epsy> @nickometer ivantis3
20:45 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ivantis2" is 14.2%.
20:45 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ivantis3" is 21.5%.
20:46 <epsy> haha
20:46 <madmax> ooh, hi Lizz!
20:46 <Lizz> :)
20:46 <Lizz> how ya been maxxy?
20:47 <akira_arma> @tea
20:47 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:47 <epsy> akira_arma, 1 min
20:47 <Flex> @nickometer flex
20:47 <teabot> Flex: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "flex" is 0.0%.
20:47 <madmax> good, you?
20:47 <Flex> woho
20:47 <epsy> @nickometer madmax
20:47 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "madmax" is 0.0%.
20:48 <epsy> damn :)
20:48 <Lizz> pretty good.. same old same old lol
20:49 <madmax> did you get to meet mel gibson already? :-P
20:49 <Lizz> ages ago :P
20:49 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m320e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <ivantis2> lame nick ometer? how does this work?
20:49 <Lizz> i have dinner with him and his family every couple of months lmao
20:50 <ivantis2> #nickometer
20:50 <@armabot> ivantis2: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ivantis2" is 14.2%.
20:50 <ivantis2> #nickometer guru3
20:50 <@armabot> ivantis2: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "guru3" is 21.5%.
20:50 <madmax> lol
20:50 <ivantis2> with numbers is lame? how lame
20:50 <epsy> yeah Numb3r5 are l4m3
20:51 <ivantis2> #help nickometer
20:51 <@armabot> ivantis2: (nickometer [<nick>]) -- Tells you how lame said nick is. If <nick> is not given, uses the nick of the person giving the command.
20:51 <epsy> @nickometer ε
20:51 <teabot> epsy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ε" is 38.4%.
20:51 <epsy> :<
20:51 <BabyBug> @nickometer
20:52 <BabyBug> =(
20:52 <epsy> @nickometer
20:52 <epsy> crappy bot
20:52 <BabyBug> #nickometer
20:52 <@armabot> BabyBug: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "BabyBug" is 0.0%.
20:52 <BabyBug> \o/
20:52 <epsy> incoming netsplit or just freeze
20:53 <ivantis2> ?
20:53 <epsy> lets see
20:53 <ivantis2> what?
20:53 <epsy> sounds as if there's going to be a netsplit soon
20:54 <ivantis2> i didnt hear anything
20:54 <BabyBug> exactly!
20:54 <epsy> agnagnagna learn to read
20:54 -!- Netsplit simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: The_Master, Ttech[daedalus], Stewah, teabot, ivantis, Flex, MrBougo
20:54 <BabyBug> ^^
20:54 <epsy> told you :)
20:55 <ivantis2> how correct
20:55 <ivantis2> wolfe split
20:55 <epsy> and actually, WE got split
20:55 <BabyBug> epsy, liar! we have more people...we're more dominant!
20:55 <ivantis2> really?
20:55 -!- The_Master [n=master@broke.the.quantumuniverse.net] has joined #armagetron
20:55 <epsy> whois yourself
20:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: teabot, Flex, MrBougo, Stewah, Ttech[daedalus]
20:56 <ivantis2> uh it said i was online in whois..?
20:56 <epsy> what?
20:56 <ivantis2> also said i was on wolfe
20:56 <ivantis2> weid
20:57 <ivantis2> yes weid, very weid
20:57 <epsy> didn't get a word of it anyway
20:58 <ivantis2> whatever
20:58 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m320e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ["-a-"]
20:59 <epsy> darn, please split ivantis
21:01 <epsy> what was the thread with people having trouble downgrading to 0.2.8 after having tried the 0.3.* builds ?
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21:06 <epsy> grm, I'm lost
21:08 <MaZuffeR> Go that way! No, the other way!
21:09 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18941&highlight=server+browser
21:10 <epsy> found the problem
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21:30 <Lucifer> I'm supposed to turn left, right?
21:31 <MaZuffeR> right
21:31  * Lucifer turns right
21:32 <MaZuffeR> not that right, the other right
21:33 <Lucifer> I may have solved my mp3 player while working out problem
21:33 <epsy> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Cockpit_Tutorial
21:33 <epsy> oops
21:33 <Lucifer> I found the necklace thing they gave me on my nasa trip, the kind that you attach a name tag/security badge to
21:33 <akira_arma> @tea
21:34 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): .:] JJBean, .:] W33D, Hanniz, Luzifer (Lacrymosa@forums), Pseudonymous, Slice, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|Hype|~, °~BaBâ
21:34 <Lucifer> it was trivial to hang my mp3 player on it, and it hangs down where the earphone cable can actually reach and still give my head freedom of motion
21:35 <Lucifer> now I need to see if it'll work while riding my bike ;)
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21:41 <madmax> I recently found that you can't use both earphones at the same time according to portuguese law (while riding a bicycle on the road)
21:41 <PinkTomato> does that mean it is illegal to cycle if you can't hear?
21:42 <PinkTomato> that's interesting law though,
21:43 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-113-167.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
21:43 <madmax> I don't think it's enforced at all heh
21:43 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
21:43 <PinkTomato> Hearing is handy when your cycling
21:44 <BabyBug> 0.3.1 sucks
21:44 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: what's wrong with it?
21:44 <epsy> ubuntu sucks
21:44 <PinkTomato> ubuntu or windows? easy choice
21:44 <epsy> ubuntu still sucks
21:44 <BabyBug> On 0.3.0 i was getting 200FPS...on 0.3.1 i'm getting 59FPS...
21:45  * epsy slaps BabyBug 
21:45 <PinkTomato> epsy: does debian suck?
21:45  * smoothice slaps epsy
21:45 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: isn't that ideal?
21:45 <epsy> doesn't the 60fps sound like anything to you BabyBug ?
21:45 <smoothice> epsy: ubuntu rocks
21:45 <epsy> PinkTomato, a bit
21:46 <epsy> smoothice, not ubuntu's FTGL
21:46 <PinkTomato> epsy: what would you use?
21:46 <BabyBug> epsy, no?
21:46 <epsy> I use arch
21:46 <epsy> BabyBug, vsync
21:46 <fonkay> Lucifer: A lanyard does not sound like a good idea.
21:46 <fonkay> Or it's proven not good for me at least.
21:46 <BabyBug> epsy, i've tried that on every single setting..it doesnt change anything..
21:46 <Lucifer> lanyard?
21:46 <fonkay> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard
21:47  * PinkTomato wishes I could get vsync to work
21:47 <fonkay> "I necklace thingy for holing things"
21:47 <fonkay> holding*
21:47 <Lucifer> ahhh
21:47 <Lucifer> it worked for jogging, my stick workout, and juggling :)
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21:48 <fonkay> I'm surprise it worked for jogging.
21:48 <Lucifer> I put it under my shirt
21:48 <fonkay> I always found that it bounced around far too much to be comfortable.
21:48 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: -10F for me next Friday
21:48 <Lucifer> maybe it helps that I put it under my bra ;)
21:48 <fonkay> hehe
21:49 <fonkay> I preferred the armband personally.
21:49 <Lucifer> well, I did have to carry my stick when I was jogging, so I carried it across my chest and held the mp3 player in place
21:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer has moobs? :o
21:49 <Lucifer> BabyBug: NO!
21:50 <BabyBug> mwahaha moob man!
21:50 <Lucifer> but my belly is returning, and I have to do something about that
21:50 <ct|kyle> #g -10F in C
21:50 <fonkay> my mp3 player came with both.
21:50 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (-10) degrees Fahrenheit = -23.3333333 degrees Celsius
21:50 <Lucifer> my mp3 player didn't come with any way to strap it to me
21:50 <smoothice> #g 1 percent in fraction
21:50 <@armabot> smoothice: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:51 <ct|kyle> nice Back to my favorite temps :)
21:51  * ct|kyle will be able to walk outside and hear the snow crunching under his feet
21:52 <fonkay> But yea... if you know it works for you already then. All the power to you
21:56 <ivantis2> #weather 66044
21:56 <@armabot> ivantis2: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 30.4°F (2:56 PM CST on January 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady).
21:57 <ivantis2> did you know: lawrence has the 2nd highest percentage of professional musicians in the world?
21:57 <PinkTomato> #cinf -7.2
21:57 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
21:57 <PinkTomato> :'(
21:58 <PinkTomato> #g -7.2 centigrade in f
21:58 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (-7.2) degrees Celsius = 19.04 degrees Fahrenheit
21:58 <ivantis2> #help cinf
21:59 <@armabot> ivantis2: (cinf <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo You don't need this, just use Math convert".
21:59 <PinkTomato> Channel 6 Downtown?
21:59 <PinkTomato> #help tea
21:59 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (tea <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "serverinfo cafe".
21:59 <ivantis2> PinkTomato: yeah?
21:59 <ivantis2> local tv station here
21:59 <PinkTomato> Why is there a community name based upon a TV station?
22:00 <ivantis2> community name?
22:01 <ivantis2> i think that is the nearest place they measure temperature and such here
22:01 <PinkTomato> Oh, So it's not a district/suburb(that's the word is was after) of a town/city?
22:01 <ivantis2> no
22:02 <PinkTomato> ah :), that's OK then
22:02 <ivantis2> just a building for news/weather
22:03 <Flex> #ls lizmatic
22:03 <@armabot> Flex: Lizmatic has last been seen on Fortress Café 4 hours 2 minutes ago.
22:03 <ivantis2> #weather 66046
22:03 <@armabot> ivantis2: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 38.3°F (3:03 PM CST on January 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady).
22:03 <ivantis2> yeah, nearest weather place is how its measured
22:03 <Flex> #weather london
22:03 <@armabot> Flex: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:04 <PinkTomato> #weather London, UK
22:04 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 28.4°F (8:50 PM GMT on January 10, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
22:04 <PinkTomato> #thank
22:04 <@armabot> You're welcome, PinkTomato
22:05 <Flex> hey i knew that..
22:05 -!- Nick2 [n=neal@bas3-barrie18-1279548933.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #armagetron
22:05 <Nick2> hey
22:05 <Nick2> ffs
22:05 -!- Nick2 [n=neal@bas3-barrie18-1279548933.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:05 <PinkTomato> Flex: hehe :)
22:05 <ivantis2> ?
22:05 <Flex> where's lizmatic :(
22:06 <epsy> BabyBug, gfx drivers?
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22:08 <BabyBug> epsy, installed and up to date
22:08 <epsy> BabyBug, what are your gfx drivers?
22:09 <BabyBug> nvidia-180..
22:09 <BabyBug> 180.18
22:09 -!- Nick2 [n=Neal@bas3-barrie18-1279548933.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #armagetron
22:09 <Nick2> ok, these nicks are pissing me off
22:10 <epsy> BabyBug, check in the nvidia control panel then
22:10 <Nick2> its neal btw
22:10 <epsy> Nick2, ok?
22:10 <ivantis2> what nicks?
22:10 <Nick2> my name settings
22:10 <Nick2> for irc
22:10 <epsy> "Nick2" I presume
22:10 <Nick2> im neal
22:10 <epsy> I've seen your username
22:10 <ivantis2> so change them?
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22:11 <Nick2> im trying but its being gay
22:11 <Nick2> ill ry again
22:11 <epsy> change irc client?
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22:12 <Nick2> FFS
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22:12 <BabyBug> epsy, ooopsy ^^ ty =P
22:12 <epsy> BabyBug, what about the FTGL stuff?
22:12 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: what was it Oo
22:13 <BabyBug> epsy, When it's compiled using FTGL 2.1.2 (i'm using the .package file to install it) It all seems to work fine. No crashes and the characters display correctly aswell
22:13 <epsy> statically linked, right?
22:13 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i needed to tick "Sync to VBlank" in nvidia-settings
22:13 <BabyBug> epsy, i'm guessing so...
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22:15 <nsh22> wewt
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22:29 <epsy> also, hoop spotted on forums
22:36 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-113-167.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
22:36 <nsh22> hey smooth
22:36 <smoothice> hi
22:37 <smoothice> neal
22:37 <smoothice> join #smoothice
22:38 <smoothice> nsh22: join #smoothice
22:43 <Lucifer> epsy: I've been statically linking my ftgl to the autopackage build, since people who keep up with the newest ubuntu have a broken ftgl
22:43 -!- Concord [n=Concord@pool-72-93-80-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:43 <PinkTomato> what version of FTGL is broken?
22:44 -!- Concord is now known as Guest34328
22:44 <Lucifer> whatever version ships with kubuntu 8.10
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22:44 <BabyBug> 2.1.3 rc5
22:44 <BabyBug> i think..
22:44 <PinkTomato> I have 2.1.2-3 Oo
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22:45 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: do you have a segfault when you look at the server browser?
22:45 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, you have hardy heron?
22:45 <BabyBug> Intrepid Ibex is the one which introduced 2.1.3 rc5
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22:46 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: Everything is ok here, BabyBug: just googling those names know, I prefer numbers
22:46 <BabyBug> 8.04 = hardy heron
22:46 <BabyBug> 8.10 = intrepid ibex
22:46 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: you right, 8.04
22:46 <Lucifer> that's the same version I've got
22:46 <PinkTomato> i could have sworn I hat 8.10 :)
22:47 <BabyBug> 8.04 still has the working ftgl =(
22:47 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you know you want to upgrade! xD
22:47 -!- Concord_ [n=Concord@pool-72-93-80-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit]
22:47 <Lucifer> heh, not before 0.3.1 is released
22:47 <BabyBug> *growls*
22:47 <PinkTomato> Can't you just download the 8.04 .deb :)?
22:47 <Lucifer> although that's taking a little longer than I hoped
22:47 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, won't install =(
22:47 <PinkTomato> aw :(
22:48 <Lucifer> we also need to fix our configure script to be able to use a different ftgl anyway
22:48 <Lucifer> then babybug could build her own ftgl and just use that
22:48 <BabyBug> build my own ftgl?
22:48 <Lucifer> yeah
22:49 <BabyBug> uh..*confused*
22:49 <Lucifer> download an older version of ftgl, build it and have it install somewhere else, like ~/.local
22:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer, and older version of ftgl won't compile with GCC 4.3 (which i have)
22:49 <Lucifer> the problem is, you can't tell our configure script to use an ftgl that's installed somewhere else
22:49 <Lucifer> really?
22:49 <BabyBug> really
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22:49 <Lucifer> install an older compiler :)
22:49 <BabyBug> ...
22:50 <Lucifer> doesn't matter right now, our configure script doesn't successfully let you use a different ftgl than the system one anyway
22:50 <BabyBug> i'd rather wait for a fix than downgrade everything :P
22:50 <Lucifer> distributions usually allow an option to use an older compiler without downgrading everything
22:50 <BabyBug> Oh yeh!
22:50 <nsh22> hey luke
22:52 <BabyBug> but still..i'd rather a fix! =P
22:53 <BabyBug> and Lucifer..i thought the configure script had a --with-ftgl=/path/here thingy?
22:53 <BabyBug> wouldn't that work?
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23:09 <luke-jr> nsh22: hey, can you use email? XD
23:10 <luke-jr> BabyBug: AFAIK, the FTGL thing is a FTGL bug, not Armagetron bug
23:10 <luke-jr> therefore, the fix comes from FTGL
23:11 <BabyBug> shifting the blame...typical
23:11 <nsh22> yes i can
23:12 <nsh22> any specxifc info?
23:12 <Lucifer> BabyBug: that configure option doesn't work, as I recently learned ;)
23:12 <BabyBug> oh...lol
23:13 <Lucifer> whoah, this is the first twg game where the worms win, isn't it?
23:13 <epsy> yup
23:13 <Lucifer> well, I need a shower, and I need to go buy some more orange juice
23:13 <Lucifer> bbiab
23:14 <Lucifer> (I also need to quit drinking orange juice like water)
23:14 <nsh22> lol
23:14 <nsh22> i need to go to the store right now as well, damnit
23:14 <nsh22> byby
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23:23 <madmax> #sd ess 2
23:23 <@armabot> madmax: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2: Players (6/26): Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), CT_emmy, MrRAM, ~|DS|~G5 (G5@forums), ~|DS|~|Alien|~
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23:50 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8783 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nServerInfo.cpp): Manuel Moos: Don't spam about unknown tags in server config files.
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Log from 2009-01-11:
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00:09 <noob_saibot> concord u there
00:14 <Concord> yeah!
00:14 <Concord> hey noob_saibot
00:14 <noob_saibot> yoo
00:14 <noob_saibot> i just sent u a email
00:14 <noob_saibot> hehe
00:17 <Concord> kk, looks like you got it worked out tho
00:19 <luke-jr> z-man: any way for clients to detect they're over a certain access level?
00:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it's possible we're misusing ftgl, or they added some sort of initialization step we're not doing, or something like that
00:22 <luke-jr> Lucifer: possible, but IIRC someone found it was otherwise
00:22 <Lucifer> I'm not ready to shift blame to ftgl, because at the end of the day, we're the ones with the broken game
00:27 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r976 Don't spam about unknown tags in server config files....
00:28 <BabyBug> \o/
00:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: problem FTGL is still RC, so it can be fixed before a final ☺
00:29 <BabyBug> it's been rc5 since juneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:29 <BabyBug> lord knows how long they'll take (if it is indeed their bug)
00:30 <PinkTomato> why did ubuntu include it in stable if it was release candiate Oo
00:31 <PinkTomato> Ah, I suppose 8.04 is their stable :)
00:31 <BabyBug> no, 8.04 is just LTS
00:31 <BabyBug> 8.10 is stable
00:32 <BabyBug> 9.04 is unstable
00:32 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: cuz Ubuntu is retards
00:32 <PinkTomato> They also release either 8.04 or 8.10 with Firefox 3 Beta 5
00:33 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, 8.04 is LTS. Which means it's supported for longer. Firefox 2.x would of been unsupported by mozilla while 8.04 was still supported by ubuntu. So they had no choice but to include the FF 3.x beta
00:34 <noob_saibot> concord how do i enter the room for tomorrow
00:34 <PinkTomato> Ah, that makes sense BabyBug :)
00:34 <BabyBug> ^^
00:35 <Concord> noob_saibot look at your private messages in irc
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00:44 <noob_saibot> hey armabot long time no see man
00:44 <PinkTomato> xD
00:45 <Lucifer> armabot's a girl
00:45 <BabyBug> liesw
00:45 <PinkTomato> why so?
00:45 <BabyBug> lies*
00:45 <noob_saibot> i am trying to flirt with armabot
00:46 <noob_saibot> she is very shy i guess
00:46 <PinkTomato> #flirt
00:46 <PinkTomato> needs a flirt
00:46 <noob_saibot> or else she is just scared of such a strong, goodlooking american boy like myself
00:46 <Lucifer> maybe she knows you're lame?
00:47 <Lucifer> #flirt
00:47 <apparition> or a virgin
00:47 <noob_saibot> shes got it twisted homies
00:47 <Lucifer> #flirt
00:47 <@armabot> /me winks at Lucifer.
00:48 <noob_saibot> appa remember when i asked you if you wanted that sandwich in sumo the other day
00:48 <PinkTomato> xD
00:48 <BabyBug> #help flirt
00:48 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: There is no command "flirt".
00:48 <BabyBug> ><
00:49 <PinkTomato> I don't think you need help for that function BabyBug :)
00:49 <BabyBug> shhhhhhhh
00:50 <Lucifer> clearly she does, she couldn't even get a bot to flirt with her
00:50 <apparition> yeah, i do
00:50  * BabyBug castrates Lucifer 
00:51 <noob_saibot> i was banished for a week cuz of it
00:51 <apparition> wtf
00:51 <Lucifer> see?  Look at this incompetent flirting!
00:51 <noob_saibot> Mr. Spookster got jealous he didnt get a sammy
00:51 <BabyBug> pssht! No more naughty pics for you Lucifer!
00:51 <noob_saibot> and that I only offered my special juice to you appa
00:51  * Lucifer looks at his naughtypics/BabyBug folder and notices it's still empty
00:52 <BabyBug> =P
00:52 <BabyBug> liar!
00:52 <apparition> spook is a fuckin idiot
00:53 <noob_saibot> yeah i dont like him at all
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00:54 <PinkTomato> a sammy?
00:54 <apparition> i'm sorry, but some people need to just relax and play the game
00:54 <apparition> people get so uptight
00:54 <noob_saibot> sammy = sandwich lol
00:54 <apparition> did you hear about monkey, noob?
00:54 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:54 <noob_saibot> that he quit?
00:54 <apparition> no, he didn't quit
00:54 <apparition> he is going to "play in silence"
00:55 <noob_saibot> he emailed me saying he wasnt playing no more
00:55 <noob_saibot> oh really
00:55 <noob_saibot> what does that mean
00:55 <noob_saibot> lol
00:55 <apparition> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18885
00:56 <PinkTomato> noob_saibot: so you've been banned because you didn't give someone a sandwich? O_o
00:56 <apparition> it was a special, vulgar sandwich
00:58 <apparition> where was monkey from?
00:58 <Lucifer> mental hospital?
00:58 <PinkTomato> I think they were british
00:59 <noob_saibot> lol that was a funny topic
00:59 <noob_saibot> yeah i offered a vulgar sammy to apparition but its no biggie
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01:00 <noob_saibot> i havent even seen monkey playing lately though
01:00 <PinkTomato> I have no idea what you mean by a vulgar sandwich
01:00 <PinkTomato> #seen monkey
01:00 <@armabot> PinkTomato: monkey was last seen in #armagetron 1 year, 30 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 53 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Monkey> doh
01:00 <PinkTomato> #seen Monkey_arma
01:00 <apparition> pink tomato, it's a sandwich with man juice on it
01:00 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Monkey_arma was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 47 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201247&sid=2238c3c03ac7588806df29e9e527ed40#201247
01:00 <PinkTomato> apparition: eww.
01:00 <apparition> not my idea
01:01 <noob_saibot> haha
01:01 <noob_saibot> it was my idea, one of my master plans
01:01 <apparition> #seen regit
01:01 <@armabot> apparition: I have not seen regit.
01:01 <Lucifer> so what's a sandwich with boobsweat on it?
01:01 <PinkTomato> there are much weirder things than sweaty and sticky sandwichs
01:01 <apparition> really?
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01:02 <nsh22> lol
01:02 <Concord> lol
01:02 <noob_saibot> appa, can i press you to toast topped with nut butter?
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01:03 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: like a Linux distribution whose security policy amounts to Simon Says
01:03 <noob_saibot> damn idk if i should go out tonight
01:03 <noob_saibot> got a lot of snow here i hate that ishhh
01:05 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: hehe :)
01:05 <apparition> dude, we got 7 or 8 inches of snow here in the last 12 hours
01:05 <PinkTomato> that would be weird Oo
01:06 <noob_saibot> that sucks
01:06 <noob_saibot> i hate snow
01:06 <PinkTomato> #g 8 inches in cm
01:06 <@armabot> PinkTomato: 8 inches = 20.32 centimeters
01:06 <ct|kyle> apparition: we got 8 CM
01:06 <ct|kyle> today only about 1 CM
01:07 <nsh22> we got nothing for once
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01:07 <PinkTomato> 20Cm's that's a hell of a lot of snow
01:07 <nsh22> not really
01:07 <apparition> kyle, my roommates and i are getting two XL pizzas. come up to ann arbor.
01:07 <apparition> 20cm's in 12 hours is a lot, i don't care where you live
01:08 <epsy> what did I miss ?
01:08 <apparition> dong sizes
01:08 <sinewav> jizz
01:08 <PinkTomato> um... sandwiches...
01:08 <epsy> hey wait, windows didn4t fuckup my clock this time
01:08 <ct|kyle> it would take 2.5 hours (probably more with snow)
01:09 <apparition> kyle, what's more important, time spent driving or HUGE pizza?
01:09 <ct|kyle> lol epsy, I know what you mean :P
01:09 <noob_saibot> who wants a jizz sammy?
01:09 <noob_saibot> i am making some now on english muffins
01:09 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: how do you drive in 20cm Snow Oo
01:09 <epsy> brb, upgrading xchat
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01:09 <nsh22> easy
01:09 <PinkTomato> apparition: i meant ;)
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01:09 <apparition> pink, they plow the snow
01:10 <epsy> I hope it handles channel keys properly now :<
01:10 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: that usually amounts to about 5 CM on raods. probably much less on highways
01:10 <PinkTomato> Here in the UK, even just 2cm of snow causes chaos
01:10 <ct|kyle> lol
01:10 <PinkTomato> You can't go anyway
01:10 <BabyBug> epsy, what didn't work last about em last time =x
01:10 <epsy> still notmeh
01:11 <ct|kyle> my Brother-in-laws tire wall broke today going down the highway
01:11 <PinkTomato> anywhere, schools close, people don't bother going to work, The radio's go crazy sayuing, ONLY travel if its nessescrry
01:11 <epsy> BabyBug, well, I just can't set a channel with a key in autojoin
01:11 <BabyBug> epsy, sure you can!
01:11 <epsy> BabyBug, how?
01:11 <epsy> I have #xxxxxxx along with it's password in the list
01:11 <epsy> and I'm not in it right now
01:11 <BabyBug> Put the channels that have the keys, before the channels that don't have the keys
01:12 <epsy> how would I do that?
01:12 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: with 2 CM all that?
01:13 <BabyBug> epsy, you're in about in the favourite channels input box yeh?
01:13 <BabyBug> on*
01:13 <noob_saibot> English n00bs
01:13 <epsy> yeah
01:13 <ct|kyle> it takes at least 5 CM on snow here
01:13 <epsy> that's sorted by name
01:13 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: maybe a bit more than 2Cm, and I might have exagratted a bit, but it is true the english sucks at handling snow
01:13 <epsy> and stop talking about [very small] penisses
01:13 <BabyBug> #chanwithkey,#keychan2,#otherchan,#otherchan key1here,key2here,
01:14  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
01:14  * BabyBug kicks ct|kyle away
01:14 <BabyBug> no more cuddles!
01:14 <noob_saibot> can Nickymook has cuddles???
01:14 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: but your watchdog is away
01:14 <BabyBug> ...
01:15 <ct|kyle> now's your time you can cheat on her
01:15 <BabyBug> i don't want to cheat on herrrr =P
01:15 <epsy> do I have to put an empty key for each chan I have?
01:15 <BabyBug> epsy, no. Just make sure the chans with keys are first in the list
01:15 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: then whats the fun of having her, when you don't wanna sneak around when she is gone
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01:16 <epsy> works
01:16 <BabyBug> =)
01:16 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, shh lol
01:17 <apparition> anyone see mirrors
01:18 <PinkTomato> mirrors?
01:18 <apparition> the movie, mirrors
01:18 <PinkTomato> there's a movie called mirrors?
01:18 <apparition> yes, sir
01:18 <PinkTomato> are they running out of titles?
01:19 <BabyBug> lol
01:19 <epsy> then there will be the mirror I, the mirror II, etc
01:19 <epsy> wait - something's wrong
01:20 <BabyBug> you can't see yourself in the mirror?! :o
01:20 <epsy> :D
01:20  * noob_saibot is always looking in the mirror
01:20  * BabyBug has a mirror attached to the laptop \o/
01:20 <apparition> i know it sounds silly, but i heard it's a decent movie
01:21 <PinkTomato> "An ex-cop and his family are the target of an evil force that is using mirrors as a gateway into their home."
01:21 <PinkTomato> at least it has a title that represents what the movie is about
01:21 <noob_saibot> sounds pretty lame
01:22 <PinkTomato> It looks like a horror
01:22 <apparition> idk it's just something to watch
01:23 <apparition> stop making fun of me!
01:23 <noob_saibot> the new Underworld movie looks sick
01:23 <noob_saibot> comes out friday
01:23 <PinkTomato> wait wait sick?
01:23 <apparition> brb going to get pop/soda/coke
01:23 <noob_saibot> sick...dope....cool
01:23 <noob_saibot> get with it Pinky
01:23 <noob_saibot> ;-)
01:24 <noob_saibot> ima teach you proper English homie
01:24 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
01:24 <PinkTomato> I never know what sick people mean:)
01:24 <noob_saibot> lol
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01:25 <iccleoldme> ......
01:25 <PinkTomato> iccleoldme: ?
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01:25 <epsy> haha, where's the mirror?
01:25 <BabyBug> Erm...Has anyone noticed a bug with 0.3.1...That there's no "create new team" option?
01:26 <BabyBug> But there's two "Join spectators" options
01:26 <epsy> pwned
01:26 <PinkTomato> are you in spectator mode?
01:26 <epsy> anyway, the team selection sucks
01:26 <BabyBug> no i'm playing..
01:26 <epsy> is buggy, and drives me nuts
01:27 <epsy> ie. how come you just fuck everyone else waiting for a spot when you hit create new team
01:27 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I have create new team here
01:27 <BabyBug> oh wait it's there now...
01:27 <BabyBug> it wasn't there before"
01:27 <BabyBug> !
01:27 <BabyBug> but there's still two join spectators...
01:27 <epsy> now that's an apparition :D
01:28 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: two join spectators here as well
01:28 <BabyBug> arma should be coded in python!
01:28 <PinkTomato> it seems they are "teams that ceased to exist"
01:28 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: 2 FPS ftw!
01:29 <epsy> BabyBug, have fun
01:29 <epsy> *cough* slune *cough*
01:29 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: http://www.timestretch.com/FractalBenchmark.html
01:29 <PinkTomato> it's 200 times slower than C :)
01:30 <PinkTomato> epsy: There's a game in python?
01:30 <epsy> ok, we should code arma in IO then
01:30  * PinkTomato is downloading
01:30 <epsy> PinkTomato, slune, which I just coughed
01:31 <epsy> (which runs at 2spf here)
01:31 <epsy> though, when it used to work, it was a neat game
01:31 <PinkTomato> epsy: hehe :)
01:32 <BabyBug> Why does arma use 100% of one core when in the menus btw?
01:33 <PinkTomato> epsy: slune looks nice, but I can't even register 1 frame on the counter :)
01:35 <BabyBug> at least slune isn't flat!
01:35 <BabyBug> and you can go up!
01:35 <BabyBug> and jump!
01:37 <BabyBug> when is arma gonna have jumping? =)
01:37 <PinkTomato> Depends if you can call 320x240 at 12 FPS playable ;)
01:37  * BabyBug was getting 50FPS...
01:38 <PinkTomato> you have an nvidea graphics card :D
01:38 <PinkTomato> I have an intel chipset
01:39 <BabyBug> Do you have sparks turned on in arma?
01:39 <PinkTomato> Oh, I should turn that off
01:39 <PinkTomato> I have to play arma in 640x480 for a full fort match
01:39 <BabyBug> why are they such an FPS killer..lol
01:40 <PinkTomato> I wonder if it is because there are lots of them :)
01:40 <Concord> pink, you can make it manageable if you turn off everything
01:41 <PinkTomato> Is that what the GLEW will make better? that thing with the particles?
01:41 <PinkTomato> Concord: I should do that :)
01:41 <Concord> I have everything off beside alphablending
01:41 <Concord> because I none of it effects my gameplay, so I'd rather have the fps
01:42 <PinkTomato> me too :)
01:42 <Concord> alpha blending tho, I need that one, because its kinda obtrusive when off, imo
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01:42 <PinkTomato> Concord: i don't think that option makes much of a difference now anyway :)
01:43 <PinkTomato> Graphics cards are so expensive in this blooming country.
01:44 <PinkTomato> I still don't know if I should get the ATI or the NVidea
01:44 <BabyBug> nvidia
01:44 <PinkTomato> The nvidia 9600GSO is £77 though
01:45 <BabyBug> ati is crap on linux :P
01:45 <PinkTomato> If it were acceptable that would be ok :)
01:46 <PinkTomato> I nearly got a 9500GT
01:46 <PinkTomato> glad I realised that was a stupid one to get.
01:46 <PinkTomato> and why the stupid numbers and Inno3D XFX etc?
01:47  * PinkTomato hates graphics card shopping
01:47 <PinkTomato> #g £77 in USD
01:47 <BabyBug> stupid numbers?
01:47 <@armabot> PinkTomato: UK£ 77 = 116.5472 U.S. dollars
01:48 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: well nvidea makes sense.. ish, but ati is a complete branding mess
01:48 <PinkTomato> like the 3800 is better than the 4670 (example, not sure it's true)
01:48 <BabyBug> branding?
01:49 <BabyBug> it is? O.o
01:49 <PinkTomato> Well I go to the online store
01:50 <PinkTomato> ATI Radeon 7000/9250/9550 has its own section
01:50 <PinkTomato> 7000 is a big leap from 9250
01:51 <BabyBug> wait ati? i thought we were talking about nvidia
01:51 <PinkTomato> #g 80$ in GBP
01:51 <BabyBug> i'm so caffuffled
01:51 <@armabot> PinkTomato: 80 US$ = 52.8541226 British pounds
01:52 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: You and me the same
01:52 <PinkTomato> :)
01:52 <PinkTomato> 80$ for the 9600GSO in the states.
01:53 <PinkTomato> OK I'm done ranting now :).
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02:02 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, that benchmark thingy you give me is out of date!
02:02 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: hehe :), how out of date?
02:03 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i ran the python benchmark and it got "Python Elapsed 4.65
02:03 <BabyBug> "
02:03 <BabyBug> the site says 9.99 seconds :P
02:03 <BabyBug> Benchmark Generated on 2007-06-08 21:11:16
02:03 <BabyBug> that's how out of date
02:03 <BabyBug> lol
02:03 <PinkTomato> Well I would imagine the C one would be twice as quick also :)
02:03 <BabyBug> actually the C one is 0.01 second slower xD
02:04 <BabyBug> (than it's previous benchmark)
02:04 <BabyBug> 0.06
02:04 <PinkTomato> python must have done some optimising then :)
02:07 <BabyBug> ^^
02:08 <PinkTomato> PHP is slow...
02:08 <PinkTomato> I think that site has inspired me to look into python
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02:10 <PinkTomato> Its another Concord duplicate :)
02:11 <BabyBug> lol ^^
02:12 <BabyBug> Did you rerun the php benchmark?
02:13 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, the PHP benchmark runs faster than the python one... =\
02:14 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: are you talking PinkTomato's into converting his server to python?
02:14 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, no
02:15 <BabyBug> saying that php is faster isn't actually the best way to convince someone :P
02:15 <PinkTomato> I get 1.8 seconds with php :)
02:15 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: i did not read that :P
02:15 <BabyBug> 1.8........
02:15 <BabyBug> i get 4.14 with php
02:15 <BabyBug> lol
02:15 <Concord> pink :D
02:16 <epsy> BabyBug, Jumping cars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4UBFImE-Ss
02:16 <nsh22> nw just lost a war
02:16 <nsh22> oh well
02:16 <BabyBug> epsy, liar
02:16 <epsy> @title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4UBFImE-Ss
02:16 <teabot> epsy: YouTube - You're Winner! Nexuiz Over The Road Racing
02:17 <BabyBug> epsy, liar
02:17 <PinkTomato> Python 2.6 seconds
02:17 <epsy> there are jumping cars in this vid
02:17 <epsy> (and it's really nexuiz)
02:17 <BabyBug> py3k isn't any faster either ><
02:18 <BabyBug> python is crap ='(
02:18 <epsy> python games are as good as flash games
02:18  * epsy hides
02:18 <PinkTomato> No python is as crap at drawing strange odd star made men :)
02:18 <BabyBug> lol ^^
02:19 <PinkTomato> hi Concord :D
02:19 <Concord> =j
02:20 <epsy> so yeah there are jumping cars in C as well as in python
02:21 <nsh22> hey concorsd
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02:21 <epsy> so, by default, C is better
02:21 <PinkTomato> epsy: what is that all about??
02:21 <epsy> ?
02:21 <PinkTomato> what is the point of drawing a bridge?
02:21 <Concord> epsy, we should consider switching themes to something with wider collumns
02:22 <epsy> heh
02:22 <Concord> it's been complained about 3 or 4 times now
02:22 <Concord> I'm thinking the Journalist one, no header image tho
02:23 <epsy> sad we can't make our own on wordpress.com
02:24 <Concord> we can for 15 bucks, or we could transfer to a co.cc domain and host it on freehostia
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02:24 <Concord> the 2nd option would be free
02:24 <epsy> i'm ok with that, though freehostia may be slow
02:24 <Concord> yeah
02:24 <PinkTomato> only a small website?
02:24 <Concord> that's what gives me pause
02:24 <ct|kyle> freehostia Is slow.
02:25 <epsy> better find another free provider then, heh
02:25 <Concord> http://www.awardspace.com/?aid=MjUyNjI1MjQxOTIw
02:26 <PinkTomato> Concord what do you need? PHP + MySQL?
02:26 <ct|kyle> goto durkadurkaland and see how slow freehostia is
02:26 <Concord> yep
02:26 <Concord> we could go back to kingsofthegrid
02:26 <epsy> did you have direct access?
02:27 <Concord> letme check
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02:29 <ct|kyle> smoothice: How does your VPS seam to be working?
02:29 <Concord> I did, but its an older version of wordpress, though I doubt lack would object to updating
02:33 <epsy> so you don't have direct access to the actual files?
02:44 <Concord> no
02:45 <Concord> i'm just now setting up a test wordpress run at 000webhost.com it says it has 100gb traffic, freehostia has 5gb, we'll see, I'm ftp
02:45 <Concord> ftp uploading wordpress now
02:45 <Concord> http://conkstestsite.net84.net/ nothing there yet
02:46 <epsy> hell, is that even php5 ?
02:46 <Concord> yeah
02:47 <epsy> or you're still uploading?
02:47 <Concord> I am still uploading ;)
02:47 <Concord> xP
02:47 <epsy> oh
02:47 <Concord> btw eps, did you see http://tronic-cup.co.cc/?
02:48 <epsy> no
02:48 <epsy> Loading!
02:48 <epsy> lol
02:48 <epsy> wait
02:48 <epsy> that's a splash screen? I hate splash screens
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02:50 <epsy> err, you you use padding instead of marging for the main block? it gets difficult to scroll
02:50 <ct|kyle> Concord: I don't like it, not very easy to navigate
02:51 <epsy> well right, now I can at least know when they will publish a linux version :)
02:51 <Concord> how? you just click a link there, idk I'm a noob :P
02:51 <epsy> 1/ splash screen
02:52 <epsy> 2/ broken scroll
02:52 <epsy> 3/ the menu is not persistent across the different pages
02:52 <Concord> idk why you don't like splash screens, they set the design theme, you feel like your entering a new building
02:52 <ct|kyle> valign="top" would also be nice, I missed the menu that low
02:52 <epsy> I thought it was an image there
02:53 <ct|kyle> epsy: menu is on all pages
02:53 <epsy> @g why splash screen sucks
02:53 <teabot> epsy: http://kenai.com/jira/browse/TWITTERFX-6 - [#TWITTERFX-6] Splash screen sucks - Kenai.com JIRA
02:53 <ct|kyle> below image is menu
02:53 <epsy> ct|kyle, but not at the same place
02:53 <ct|kyle> you outta put voodoo under a server Hacker too
02:53 <epsy> @g why splash screen sucks webdesign
02:53 <teabot> epsy: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/does-my-web-site-suck/does-my-web-site-suck-checklist-part-one.html - Web Pages That Suck learn good web design by looking at bad web ...
02:53 <PinkTomato> epsy: is says "              Improve the startup splash screen to be prettier / funkier." :D
02:53 <ct|kyle> he's done a lot more than me
02:54 <Concord> its more just about TRONIC involvement, but I guess his involvement in hacking our servers and ct+sty auto includes him
02:55 <Concord> so yeh i'll add him as Quiet Beast
02:55 <Concord> or smth
02:55 <epsy> Concord, and splash screen is in that checklist
02:55 <ct|kyle> heh
02:55 <epsy> splash screens can be good at some stuff, but not on websites
02:56 <ct|kyle> heck, someone could be playing the cup on their iphone
02:56 <epsy> and he could even get the source with it
02:57 <ct|kyle> epsy: I thought i gave you the source for it
02:57 <epsy> oh yeah, that funky place
02:57 <ct|kyle> https://code.launchpad.net/~aavoodoo/+junk/0.2.8-armagetronad-iphone
02:58 <PinkTomato> Oo
02:58 <PinkTomato> does that work?
02:59 <ct|kyle> https://code.launchpad.net/~aavoodoo/+junk/0.2.8-armagetronad-opengles
02:59 <ct|kyle> i mean that
02:59 <ct|kyle> and yes, but low FPS
02:59 <PinkTomato> how low?
02:59  * epsy still doesnt know why this isn't under the armagetronad project, as it's pretty much the only of his that would be relevant to it
02:59 <PinkTomato> won't I have to pay apple money to compile it though?
03:00 <epsy> probably
03:00 <epsy> you'd have to buy a mac, too
03:00 <PinkTomato> I would also have to pay apple for an iPhone.
03:00 <epsy> developers! developers! developers!
03:00 <PinkTomato> hehe :
03:00 <ct|kyle> 12 FPS
03:00 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: thats half playable!
03:00 <epsy> the only thing MS does right is gathering developers
03:01 <ct|kyle> 8 FPS
03:01 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: no wait.
03:01 <ct|kyle> http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1o4jTi
03:01 <PinkTomato> ah
03:01 <PinkTomato> needs a little work :)
03:01 <epsy> "Website Under Review"
03:01 <ct|kyle> ya
03:01 <epsy> Concord:
03:01 <epsy> well, that looks pretty much as good as my nexuiz
03:01 <Concord> hmm?
03:02 <epsy> [03:01] <epsy>: "Website Under Review"
03:02 <Concord> huh?
03:04 <epsy> that's what shows up when I visit it
03:04 <PinkTomato> http://conkstestsite.net84.net/ :)
03:04 <PinkTomato> it's not an instant access :)
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03:05 <epsy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us90r4MscX0&NR=1
03:05 <epsy> LOL
03:06 <Concord> heh
03:06 <epsy> lol I should try that
03:07 <epsy> so..TAG seeker arena on woodenspit :>
03:08 <Concord> yeah, the database isn't working well, cross that one off the list
03:09 <PinkTomato> Do good free host companies with SQL exist?
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03:12 <BabyBug> woooo i'm a genius! *dances*
03:12 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: ^^, what did you do?
03:13 <BabyBug> got join spectators to display only once..mwhahahaha =x *runs before she gets insulted*
03:14 <PinkTomato> hehe ^^, isn't that good?
03:15 <BabyBug> yes =D
03:15 <PinkTomato> how do you do it?
03:15 <BabyBug> someone was being a turd bucket when they wrote it!
03:15 <BabyBug> =x
03:15 <PinkTomato> xD
03:16 <PinkTomato> what line was it?
03:17 <BabyBug> there were two if thingies in gTeam.cpp when there should only be one \o/
03:17 <BabyBug> <--- Boooooored
03:17 <PinkTomato> its 2am!
03:17 <BabyBug> insomniaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
03:17 <BabyBug> =P
03:18 <PinkTomato> :(
03:22 <BabyBug> the actual join spectators menu item doesn't work though ><
03:22 <BabyBug> silly thing!
03:22 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
03:22 <PinkTomato> fix it BabyBug :D
03:22 <smoothice> Is there a working bzr branch of zones v2?
03:22 <BabyBug> i'm not that clever =x
03:23 <BabyBug> smoothice, lp:armagetronad?
03:23 <BabyBug> that has zones v2 enabled i think
03:23 <smoothice> trunk is zones v2?
03:23 <PinkTomato> un.
03:23 <PinkTomato> I mean yes :(
03:23 <Concord> yeh it does
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03:23 <PinkTomato> However
03:23 <Concord> i love the newest font btw
03:24 <PinkTomato> note that I couldn't get it to work :)
03:24 <smoothice> *sigh*
03:24 <smoothice> ok
03:24 <PinkTomato> Concord loads of fonts everywhere, what font in particular?
03:24 <Concord> the newest default font on 0.3.1 rather than the one on the older 0.3
03:25 <PinkTomato> smoothice probably me being silly, the person that was programming I think left when It was nearly done.
03:26 <PinkTomato> Concord: hehe, I didn't notice
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03:30 <PinkTomato> Concord any luck finding a good host?
03:31 <Concord> naht really,
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03:31 <PinkTomato> all free web hosts are silly
03:34  * BabyBug agrees!
03:35 <PinkTomato> I don't know how that free one offered cPanel Oo
03:35 <PinkTomato> or why It would need to
03:37 <epsy> true, it never worked, why is it even there?
03:37 <@armabot> armacommits: [smoothice] r729 merge from trunk
03:38 <epsy> and actually I could see something similar happening with the TAG seeker, not as awesome tho
03:38 <PinkTomato> epsy: what didn't work?
03:38 <PinkTomato> TAG seeker?
03:38 <epsy> "join spectators"
03:38 <PinkTomato> ah
03:38 <epsy> and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us90r4MscX0&NR=1
03:39 <PinkTomato> xD :D
03:39 <ct|kyle> smoothice: What version is your branch 0.3.* or 0.2.8.*
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03:42 <nsh22> hey
03:43 <ct|kyle> oi
03:43 <nsh22> theres a war between nw and ct tomorrow right?
03:43 <ct|kyle> nsh22: yes
03:44 <nsh22> what irc program do you use?
03:44 <ct|kyle> pidgin
03:45 <nsh22> free?
03:45 <ct|kyle> yes
03:45 <epsy> ugh
03:45 <ct|kyle> FOSS
03:46 <epsy> pidgin is supposed to be an IM client, it's terrible at IRC
03:46 <nsh22> whats a god one then
03:46 <nsh22> good*
03:47 <PinkTomato> it works well enough for me ^^
03:47 <ct|kyle> ya we get cool colored names :)
03:47 <epsy> silverex.something
03:47 <epsy> ct|kyle, I get colored names as well
03:48 <ct|kyle> i get all my protocols in 1
03:48 <epsy> I get a decent IRc client
03:48 <nsh22> . H . e . l . l . o . ct|kyle . H . e . l . l . o .
03:48 <nsh22>  ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Hello epsy  ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
03:48 <nsh22> x\xxxxxx\xxxxxxx\xxxx\x8 PinkTomato \xxxg
03:48 <nsh22> xx\xxxxxx*xxxxxxx*xxxx\* PinkTomato x\x...m
03:48 <nsh22> xxx*xSweetxxxxxDreamsx *  PinkTomato x*xc
03:49 <epsy> pidgin still isn't very reliable for IM already
03:49 <nsh22> huh?
03:49 <PinkTomato> funky stuff like that is blocked here nsh22
03:49 <epsy> nsh22, spam?
03:49 <PinkTomato> :)
03:49 <nsh22> XD
03:49 <nsh22> im done
03:50  * nsh22 is tired, and has 100 different projects due on monday
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03:54 <epsy> bbl
03:54 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has quit ["uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"]
03:57 <BabyBug> fixed it PinkTomato \o/
03:57 <PinkTomato> \o/ :D
03:58 <ct|kyle> but BabyBug you arn't that smart
03:58 <PinkTomato> post a patch :)
03:58 <BabyBug> it was only replacing one line =x
03:58 <PinkTomato> xD
03:58 <BabyBug> I'm at least that smart!
03:58 <PinkTomato> :)
03:59  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
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03:59  * BabyBug kicks ct|kyle away
03:59 <BabyBug> NO!
03:59 <PinkTomato> night everyone :)
03:59 <BabyBug> night PinkTomato =)
03:59 <ct|kyle> night PinkTomato
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04:04 <BabyBug> how do you make a patch then =D
04:04 <ct|kyle> bzr diff
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04:04 <BabyBug> I've had far too much red bull =x
04:04 <ct|kyle> wait
04:05 <ct|kyle> bzr diff >> file.patch
04:05 <BabyBug> Oh, that was simple ^^
04:05 <ct|kyle> :P
04:05 <BabyBug> Now where do i put the patch!
04:06 <ct|kyle> make a bug and upload patch
04:06 <BabyBug> awww what, that's so much effort
04:06 <ct|kyle> or if bug is already created just upload in that bug
04:07 <ct|kyle> upload it some place and #m z-man bug fix <link>
04:11 <BabyBug> oki doke!
04:18 <BabyBug> /me etc doesn't work in local games either =(
04:18 <BabyBug> arma sucks!
04:18 <ct|kyle> lol
04:19 <ct|kyle> that's why you arn't going to play it much longer :P
04:19 <nsh22> your  quitting?
04:20 <BabyBug> soon!
04:20 <ct|kyle> not me
04:20 <nsh22> y?
04:21 <ct|kyle> she does not like us anymore
04:21 <BabyBug> arma is just something to do while im bored...once i can work again i wont bother with it =P
04:22 <nsh22> why cant you work?
04:22 <ct|kyle> first 4 letters of her name
04:22 <BabyBug> got a 4 month year old daughter, child minders wont look after kids < 6 months
04:22 <nsh22> oh
04:22  * BabyBug slaps ct|kyle 
04:22 <nsh22> lol
04:23 <ct|kyle> weill have to pay those child minders to raise that limit
04:23 <ct|kyle> :)
04:23 <nsh22> lol
04:24 <ct|kyle> LOL "4 month year old"  -> "4 month old"
04:24 <nsh22> lmao
04:25 <BabyBug> Hrmm
04:25 <BabyBug> Blonde moment!
04:25 <BabyBug> i don't speak english first language so shush
04:25 <BabyBug> lmao
04:25 <ct|kyle> too much wings :P
04:25 <nsh22> oh
04:25 <nsh22> goddammit!
04:25 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: I know, i was just pointing it out
04:25 <nsh22> i hate windows movie maker!!!!!!!
04:25 <BabyBug> sure sure
04:25 <nsh22> GRRRRR!!!!!!!
04:25 <BabyBug> you were making fun ='(
04:26 <ct|kyle> you could have stopped that sentence after windows
04:26 <nsh22> IT KEEPS CRASHING!!!!!!!!!
04:26 <nsh22> lol kyle
04:26 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: was not,
04:26 <nsh22> what do u have?
04:26 <ct|kyle> Gentoo
04:26 <nsh22> a what?
04:26 <ct|kyle> Gentoo linux
04:26 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, were too!!
04:26 <ct|kyle> #g gentoo
04:26 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:26 <ct|kyle> #google gentoo
04:26 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.12 seconds: Gentoo Linux -- Gentoo Linux News: <http://www.gentoo.org/>; Gentoo Linux -- Where to Get Gentoo Linux: <http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml>; Gentoo Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux>; gentoo .com: <http://www.gentoo.com/>; DistroWatch.com: Gentoo Linux: <http://distrowatch.com/gentoo>; Gentoo (1 more message)
04:26 <nsh22> how many f'ing linuxes are there?
04:27 <nsh22> how many f'ing linuxes are there?
04:27 <ct|kyle> #g number of linux distros
04:27 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:27 <ct|kyle> google FAIL
04:27 <BabyBug> ubuntu is the best!
04:28 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: no i did not mean to, I thought it was funny, but i also know it is late and you don't nativly speak english
04:28 <ct|kyle> Gentoo > ubuntu
04:28 <ct|kyle> right luke-jr
04:28 <BabyBug> liar, you were making fun
04:28 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: fine i was (even it i was not) (now just give me some cuddles to make up)
04:28 <BabyBug> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+gentoo <-- Ubuntu wins by miles...gentoo has even lost popularity!
04:29 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, i'm just winding you up ^^ =P
04:29 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: I know
04:29 <nsh22> wtf is the difference between gentoo and ubuntu
04:29 <ct|kyle> Few finally found the code i want to fork
04:29 <BabyBug> nsh22, quite alot =P
04:30 <BabyBug> for one, gentoo sucks!
04:30 <BabyBug> =D
04:30 <ct|kyle> nsh22: Mine comes with a terminal and compiles everything exactly to what i want, ubuntu just comes as an archive and installs archives
04:31 <nsh22> 0.o
04:31 <nsh22> why choose linux ofver anything else(other than its free)
04:31 <BabyBug> ubuntu is easy to use..gentoo not so easy until you learn to use it......
04:31 <ct|kyle> ubunto is the I want to get the fuck away from windows Distro
04:31 <ct|kyle> gentoo is the I really want to learn how linux works distro
04:32 <BabyBug> gentoo is the geek distro!
04:32  * ct|kyle is a geek
04:32 <nsh22> lol
04:32  * nsh22 is a nerd, does that matter?
04:32 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: if you had used nerd i would have had to kill you
04:32 <nsh22> whats the differnece
04:32 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, you want to cuddle me too much to kill me
04:33 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: you go me wounded up
04:33 <nsh22> contrary, h e wants to cuddle you to death
04:33  * ct|kyle kisses BabyBug
04:33  * BabyBug rips of ct|kyle's lips
04:34 <BabyBug> off*
04:34 <ct|kyle> and BabyBugthat was only if you said nerd
04:34 <nsh22> lol
04:34 <BabyBug> no kisses for you!
04:34 <nsh22> violent much
04:34 <BabyBug> nsh22, he knows i'm taken :@
04:34 <nsh22> lol
04:34 <nsh22> how many times has that stopped ppl?
04:34 <nsh22> lol
04:34 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: Like i said, she is not here you can cheat :)
04:34 <BabyBug> ... ><
04:35 <ct|kyle> I won't tell if you don't
04:35 <BabyBug> she's in my heart..so she's here xD
04:35 <ct|kyle> o0
04:35 <BabyBug> lmao
04:35 <nsh22> baby bug, r u m/f?
04:35 <BabyBug> take a guess
04:35 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, don't tell him
04:35 <nsh22> m?
04:36 <BabyBug> you're a whore
04:36 <nsh22> lol
04:36 <BabyBug> f..........
04:36 <nsh22> how so?
04:36 <BabyBug> i'm female, not male =P
04:36 <nsh22> :P
04:36 <BabyBug> gawd! no one ever guesses right ><
04:36 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: I did
04:36 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, no you never
04:36 <ct|kyle> i think anyway LOL
04:37 <nsh22> well, ur her stalker so...
04:37 <ct|kyle> actually i think i waited till i found out :) i never had to guess
04:37 <BabyBug> aye you cheated
04:38 <ct|kyle> ya so why can't you now :)
04:38 <BabyBug> cause i'm not like you
04:38  * BabyBug dusts off her halo
04:38 <nsh22> notice how it hasnt been used?
04:38 <nsh22> lol
04:39 <BabyBug> =.='
04:39 <ct|kyle> ya BabyBug, I'm not evil like you and your girl (lizmatic)
04:39 <BabyBug> we're not evil ><
04:40 <nsh22> ?? now im confused
04:40 <BabyBug> lol nsh22 bless =P
04:40 <ct|kyle> nsh22: It is hard to keep up with our talks
04:41 <nsh22> wtf does lizmatic come into this0.o
04:41 <nsh22> and lizmatic is a girl too 0.o
04:41 <nsh22> ?
04:41 <nsh22> arrrg...
04:41 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: arn't we still cuddling from when we got that rope tied around us, I did not think it go cut
04:42 <nsh22> AHHHHHHHH
04:42  * nsh22 runs
04:42 <nsh22> total confusion acheived, ty
04:42 <BabyBug> my hatred for you burnt the rope xD
04:42 <BabyBug> nsh22, yes lizmatic is a girl =P
04:42 <ct|kyle> ah :(
04:42 <BabyBug> What are you confused about =P
04:42 <ct|kyle> :'(
04:42 <nsh22> relationship between u and lizmatic?
04:42  * BabyBug points and laughs at ct|kyle 
04:43 <ct|kyle> they are lesbians
04:43 <ct|kyle> :D
04:43 <BabyBug> ....
04:43 <nsh22> 0.o?
04:43 <ct|kyle> or was that lizmatic that had a sex change
04:43 <BabyBug> lol ct|kyle now you're just trying to confuse him xD
04:44 <nsh22> lol
04:44 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: no I was done trying that before he got confused
04:44 <nsh22> ffs i cant evn explain wtf is goin on in my mind
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04:44 <nsh22> i want to ask questions, but may insult .....
04:44 <nsh22> gudahjtyedflasiyfdufq3ldyfutf
04:45 <BabyBug> nsh22, You can insult me over IRC so ask away \o/
04:45 <nsh22> lol was he seriuos?bout u and lizmatic?
04:45 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: so we still have to put up with you for 2 more months
04:45 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, i'll always be on IRC most prob..just wont play arma anymore
04:45 <ct|kyle> nsh22: they do it through the net
04:46 <BabyBug> lol
04:46 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: dam :( :P
04:46 <nsh22> zomgbbq
04:46  * nsh22 bangs head off of desk
04:46 <nsh22> i g2g
04:46  * nsh22 runs away, very far away
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04:46 <ct|kyle> LOL
04:46 <BabyBug> awww he left
04:46 <BabyBug> haha
04:47 <ct|kyle> bash time
04:47 <BabyBug> i was just about to bring out the pictures too!
04:47  * ct|kyle wonders how old he is
04:48 <BabyBug> Who is he? lol
04:48 <ct|kyle> I donno, someone on the team CT is playing tomorrow
04:48 <ct|kyle> now i can just bring up babybug and he'll be too distracted to play
04:49 <BabyBug> lol
04:53 <luke-jr> ]later tell PinkTomato uh, you're wrong :þ 7000 < 9250
04:54 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: Debian > Ubuntu
04:54 <BabyBug> luke-jr, your bot isn't here =P
04:55 <luke-jr> why not -.-
04:55 <BabyBug> *shrugs* it's your bot
04:55 <BabyBug> lol
04:55 <luke-jr> hm
04:55 <ct|kyle> guru3 was taking out bots
04:55 <luke-jr> #later tell PinkTomato uh, you're wrong :þ 7000 < 9250
04:56 <@armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
04:56 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, really?
04:57 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: yes, 1 reason why tronner is not here and ivantis's bots
04:57 <BabyBug> #kick ivantis3 let's remove ivantis' bot then =D
04:57 -!- ivantis3 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "let's remove ivantis' bot then =D"]
04:57 <luke-jr> I thought ljrbot was kept
04:57 <BabyBug> \o/
04:58 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: I donno, i don't think it was here when he was doing that stuff
04:58 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: but it was ivantis4
04:58 <BabyBug> ivantis3 is the one called LoggerBot...
04:59 <ct|kyle> oh that's his "chat logger"
04:59 <BabyBug> -ivantis4- VERSION X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0
04:59 <BabyBug> That;s just a client :P
05:00 <BabyBug> luke-jr, can't you tell if ljrbot was kicked or whether it just disconnected....
05:00 <BabyBug> 12:31 -!- ljrbot [n=supybot-@2002:46bb:1a76:0:2b0:d0ff:fe49:6b31] has quit [Connection timed out]
05:01 <BabyBug> luke-jr =P
05:01  * BabyBug is off too see if water cancels out red bull
05:01 <ct|kyle> lol
05:03 <BabyBug> mmmmmmmm when for a chocolate milkshake instead
05:03 <BabyBug> im so gonna be sick =x
05:04 <ivantis4> huh?
05:04 <ct|kyle> ivantis4: ?? nothing happened
05:04 <ct|kyle> go back to bed
05:05  * ct|kyle woners is say ivantis4 triggers ivantis4's alarm clock
05:05 <ct|kyle> if saying*
05:07  * BabyBug goes to cuddle ct|kyle and then runs away just before he's able to grab her..mwhahahaha
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05:08 <ivantis4> BabyBug... qutting... arma??? not irc too i hope
05:08 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: how mean, you could have at least done that to scare that one guy more
05:08 <BabyBug> lol ct|kyle
05:09 <BabyBug> no ivantis4, my immaturity will always be here to annoy you hunni!
05:09 <ct|kyle> ivantis4: read your logs it is all in there
05:09 <ivantis4> oh good. if you left irc it would be too boring
05:10 <BabyBug> indeed!
05:10 <BabyBug> It'd be all complicated talk!
05:10 <BabyBug> a channel neeeeeeeds baby talk :D
05:10 <ct|kyle> no bug talk
05:10 <ct|kyle> :P
05:10 <BabyBug> AND bug talk! =P
05:11 <ct|kyle> we wouldent be able to scare people away w/o BabyBug :)
05:11 <BabyBug> ^^
05:12 <BabyBug> find out how old he is
05:12 <BabyBug> lol
05:12 <ct|kyle> o0
05:12 <ct|kyle> 14?
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05:12 <BabyBug> *shrugs*
05:13 <BabyBug> If he is that means he'd be too young to scare off with pictures =(
05:14 <ct|kyle> i think i figured out why ivantis needs a logger, I think so that he can google all the crazy talk and make 1/2 sense out of it
05:15 <BabyBug> haha
05:15 <BabyBug> ivantis4, do you have ivantis in your highlights?
05:15 <ivantis4> no
05:15 <BabyBug> add it!
05:19 <ct|kyle> let see if this compiles
05:19 <BabyBug> what's 'this'?
05:20 <BabyBug> sty thingy?
05:20 <ct|kyle> a little hack that i don't think will work
05:20 <BabyBug> ohs
05:20 <ct|kyle> ya make is so player can only have 1 flag
05:20 <BabyBug> ohs
05:20 <BabyBug> that made no sense
05:21 <ct|kyle> i would have thought the error would tell me more
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05:26 <BabyBug> nickymook!
05:27 <noob_saibot> baby bug im here just for you
05:28 <ct|kyle> noob_saibot: me and BabyBug scared someone away :)
05:29 <noob_saibot> who
05:29 <noob_saibot> you sent them pics?
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05:30 <ct|kyle> nope did not even have to get to that
05:30 <noob_saibot> who kicked me
05:30 <noob_saibot> haha
05:30 <ct|kyle> quit: Client Quit
05:32 <noob_saibot> hey who wants to see a sexy boy
05:32 <noob_saibot> www.myspace.com/official_nicholasblock
05:33  * BabyBug can't see a sexy boi =P
05:33 <ct|kyle> only sees a n00b
05:33 <ct|kyle> :P
05:33 <noob_saibot> hahaha
05:34 <noob_saibot> hey i tried
05:34 <ct|kyle> but Failed
05:35 <ct|kyle> can i get someone (  BabyBug / noob_saibot) to help me test
05:36 <BabyBug> sure?
05:36 <ct|kyle> let me get it compile
05:36 <noob_saibot> what u need
05:36 <ct|kyle> just to see if my code works
05:37 <noob_saibot> iiiiiite
05:38 <ivantis4> eww, myspace?
05:38 <ivantis4> gross
05:38 <ct|kyle> #si -v Crazy Tronners Regular CTF
05:38 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Regular CTF ( running 0.2.8-sty+ct_alpha20090111 unix dedicated, url: http://crazy-tronners.com/, Description: “Crazy-Tronners CTF server. Located in Germany. Ask on our forums for any information.“, Players (0/10):
05:39 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, is that code for "come quickly"?
05:39 <noob_saibot> stop beating off to my pics ivantis
05:39  * BabyBug is beating everyone in no rubber \o/
05:39 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: ya
05:40  * luke-jr wishes someone would run a no-rubber on his server
05:40 <BabyBug> luke-jr, why don't you run one?
05:40 <ct|kyle> lol BabyBug i was just going to say
05:40 <BabyBug> and bring ljrbot back! (i have no reason why)
05:41 <noob_saibot> o.O
05:41 <BabyBug> ct|kyle....... lol
05:41 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: noob_saibot:)
05:41 <noob_saibot> u kicked me out!
05:41 <BabyBug> fail!
05:41 <ct|kyle> well i did not think it would work
05:41 <noob_saibot> Nickymook did nothign wrong!
05:42 <BabyBug> i left a perfectly good no rubber game for that!
05:42 <noob_saibot> haha
05:44 <ct|kyle> oh I know hhe
05:44 <ct|kyle> I think anyway
05:45 <BabyBug> so ya gonna drag us out of the server again? zeesh
05:45 <noob_saibot> :-D
05:45 <noob_saibot> again???????????????!?
05:46 <ct|kyle> in a few minutes
05:47 <noob_saibot> kk no prob
05:49 <ct|kyle> noob_saibot, BabyBug ok
05:52 <BabyBug> lol ct|kyle
05:52 <BabyBug> crashed agan
05:52 <noob_saibot> !
05:52 <BabyBug> again?
05:52 <ct|kyle> and then that
05:52 <BabyBug> :P
05:52 <noob_saibot> haha
05:52 <BabyBug> WoooooooOOooooooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOO
05:52 <BabyBug> \o/
05:53 <BabyBug> *dances*
05:53 <ct|kyle> i more try
05:53 <BabyBug> hey wait..
05:53 <BabyBug> arma broke gnome-settings-daemon =x
05:53 <noob_saibot> what!
05:54  * noob_saibot doesnt know what your talking about
05:54 <BabyBug> (it didn't really)
05:54 <BabyBug> it just closed when arma closed
05:54 <BabyBug> lol
05:54 <BabyBug> lol
05:54 <BabyBug> noob_saibot, you shaven, waxed or hairy? =P
05:54 <ct|kyle> ready
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05:55 <noob_saibot> haha
05:55 <BabyBug> x crashed =x
05:55 <noob_saibot> shaven where?
05:55 <BabyBug> noob_saibot, you answer the question? :P
05:56 <noob_saibot> i have facial hair now :P
05:56 <BabyBug> well you're not gonna wax your face hunni....so where do you think i meant :P
05:56 <noob_saibot> hahaha
05:56 <noob_saibot> thats what the clippers are for :)
05:57 <BabyBug> hrmm..so what's the answer? :P
05:57 <noob_saibot> i answered boo
05:57 <BabyBug> ><
05:57 <noob_saibot> thats what the clippers are for
05:57 <noob_saibot> but in general im not a hairy dude
05:58 <noob_saibot> i dont shave my chest or nothin....the hair there doesnt grow in thick :D
05:58 <BabyBug> and ya pubes? :P
05:58 <ct|kyle> crash
05:58 <noob_saibot> LOL
05:58 <BabyBug> =(
05:58 <noob_saibot> they are tamed
05:58 <noob_saibot> this way noone gets anything stuck in their teeth
05:59 <BabyBug> tamed....so...not all completely shaved then? :P
05:59 <noob_saibot> depends on my mood babydoll
06:00 <BabyBug> well there's a bad point right there then =P
06:00 <noob_saibot> sometimes i like to rep a bald eagle
06:00 <noob_saibot> sometimes i like to leave a little roughage
06:00 <noob_saibot> how about yourself?
06:00 <ct|kyle> heh. i think i found it maybe
06:00 <BabyBug> noob_saibot, i never said you could ask questions :o
06:01 <noob_saibot> i ask when i wanna
06:01 <BabyBug> you have the funniest nose i've ever seen though..lmao
06:01 <noob_saibot> im an open boy i answered urs
06:01 <noob_saibot> oh please
06:02 <noob_saibot> whats wrong with my nose?
06:02 <noob_saibot> you can only see one picture anyway
06:02 <noob_saibot> unless u secretly have myspace and are lookin at others
06:02 <BabyBug> I can imagine that nose on an evil cartoon character! lol
06:02 <noob_saibot> k
06:03 <noob_saibot> :-0
06:03 <noob_saibot> >:-O
06:03  * BabyBug is honest!
06:03 <noob_saibot> whats ur msn
06:03 <noob_saibot> give it to me
06:03 <BabyBug> Newp ^^
06:03 <noob_saibot> what
06:04 <BabyBug> mwahaha
06:04 <noob_saibot> dont be so stand offish with me
06:04 <BabyBug> xD
06:04 <noob_saibot> youll regret not knowing what you coulda had
06:05 <noob_saibot> your thinking now huh
06:05 <noob_saibot> just give it up
06:05 <BabyBug> i get the best there is hunni ;)
06:05 <noob_saibot> well ur missing out on the best one
06:05 <noob_saibot>  /me
06:05 <noob_saibot> woops!
06:06 <BabyBug> girls are better than guys...so no i'm not missing out on the best one =P
06:06 <noob_saibot> thats another thing about me
06:06 <noob_saibot> i am ok with my girls having girls on the side
06:06 <noob_saibot> its totally cool with me
06:06 <noob_saibot> in fact im all for it
06:07 <noob_saibot> your thinking again
06:07 <BabyBug> Really? explain that to me...The bf thinks the same...but i don't want to ask why incase he changes his mind xD
06:07 <noob_saibot> haha
06:07 <BabyBug> how can you be fine with that? =P
06:07 <noob_saibot> why not
06:07 <noob_saibot> its all fun and games
06:08 <BabyBug> Do you not believe the girl could end up falling in love with another girl and leaving ya? =P
06:08 <noob_saibot> :P
06:08 <noob_saibot> shit happens
06:08 <BabyBug> lol ><
06:08 <BabyBug> You're useless =P
06:08 <noob_saibot> no way
06:08 <noob_saibot> useful*
06:09 <BabyBug> less*
06:09 <noob_saibot> :-(
06:09 <BabyBug> i ask one question and the answer is "why not"...very useful!!
06:09 <BabyBug> =.='
06:09 <noob_saibot> well
06:09 <noob_saibot> what i learned in my lifetime
06:10 <noob_saibot> is that i am too young to be caught up in one person
06:10 <BabyBug> ok now you sound 60...
06:10 <noob_saibot> haha
06:10 <noob_saibot> so i like to keep a loose leash on them
06:10 <noob_saibot> which is great who wants an overprotective jealous man
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06:10 <noob_saibot> or girl
06:11 <BabyBug> you're never too young though =P
06:11 <BabyBug> I'm only 18 but i'll probably end up marrying the bf i have now =P
06:12 <noob_saibot> nah i once had a lover back in my day........nothing but heartaches
06:12 <noob_saibot> i thought i was gona marry her too and look at me now :P
06:12 <noob_saibot> im happy as can be
06:12 <BabyBug> lol
06:12 <noob_saibot> well she thought she was gona marry me
06:12 <noob_saibot> i almost thought so
06:13 <BabyBug> why'd you split up? =P
06:13 <noob_saibot> it was a soup opera
06:14 <BabyBug> a soup opera?
06:14 <noob_saibot> talk to me behind closed doors and you can hear my stories
06:14 <noob_saibot> yea
06:14 <noob_saibot> big time drama
06:14 <noob_saibot> like a movie lol
06:14 <BabyBug> do you mean soap? lol
06:14 <noob_saibot> LOL
06:14 <noob_saibot> woops
06:14 <BabyBug> lmao xD
06:14 <noob_saibot> i have no excuse for that
06:14 <noob_saibot> u is not even close to a on the keyboard
06:14 <noob_saibot> LOL
06:14 <BabyBug> haha
06:15 <noob_saibot> i dont know half the ppl in here they might be reading and stuff
06:15 <noob_saibot> i already told them about my pubes for crying out loud
06:15 <BabyBug> haha
06:15 <BabyBug> you don't know me either though xD
06:15 <noob_saibot> well i know you more then half them...some i dont know at all
06:16 <BabyBug> ^^
06:16 <noob_saibot> you used to ask me to cuddle all the time
06:16 <noob_saibot> well you asked Nickymook
06:16 <BabyBug> Lucifer is a great guy to talk too! He'd love ya pubes!
06:16 <noob_saibot> Lol
06:16 <noob_saibot> well i got none for him currently
06:16 <noob_saibot> try again in a week or 2
06:19 <Lucifer> CHEATING is CHEATING
06:19 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer
06:19 <BabyBug> no one's cheating here!
06:19 <noob_saibot> cheaters never win my friend!
06:19  * noob_saibot puts his pants back on
06:20 <Lucifer> if a girl tells me she's not going to fool around with anybody else, and she goes and fools around with another girl, she cheated
06:20 <noob_saibot> haha
06:20 <noob_saibot> stop bitchin
06:20 <Lucifer> heh
06:20 <noob_saibot> u shud be happy!
06:20 <noob_saibot> and try to get in on that too
06:20 <Lucifer> about what?
06:20 <Lucifer> ahhhh, see, you're only thinking about sex
06:20 <BabyBug> Lucifer, if the guy and the girl is happy about the girl sleeping with another girl...It's not cheating!
06:20 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I won't argue that, because I agree with it
06:21 <Lucifer> but see, I said "if a girl tells me she's not going to fool...etc"
06:21 <BabyBug> aye i agree with that too =D
06:21 <Lucifer> otoh, if a girl tells me she wants to fool around with other people, that's not monogamy, and I'm not interested
06:21 <Lucifer> nothing against the girl, it's her life
06:22 <BabyBug> i'll always want to fool around with other girls...but if the guy didn't want it then i wouldn't...
06:22 <BabyBug> what's monogamy btw?
06:22 <Lucifer> if we were together, monogamy means you'd only sleep with me
06:23 <BabyBug> ah =)
06:23 <Lucifer> I'm a one-woman guy, and I expect the same in return
06:23 <Lucifer> that's about the only thing I'm not willing to negotiate, I think
06:23 <noob_saibot> see im a little more down with the other
06:23 <noob_saibot> baby you can go with girls and still be with me :P i aint mad atcha
06:23 <BabyBug> So you'd never be up for a threesome?
06:24 <Lucifer> hmmm, not with someone I was serious about
06:24 <Lucifer> and therefore, obviously, not if I was with someone I was serious about ;)
06:24 <BabyBug> lol
06:24 <Lucifer> so right now, hell yeah, I've got no chains to hold me down!
06:25 <noob_saibot> haha
06:25 <BabyBug> would that me a m/f/f threesome or an m/m/f threesome? =P
06:25 <BabyBug> or wouldn't you mind?
06:25 <Lucifer> depends too much on the personalities involved
06:25 <noob_saibot> LOL
06:25 <Lucifer> so I'd be open to either, but I don't think any random combination of three people will work for me
06:26 <noob_saibot> LOL
06:26 <BabyBug> i could never have a threesome with two guys...don't like the idea of two guys doing it =x
06:26 <noob_saibot> Lolz
06:26 <Lucifer> not even if they didn't do it and just focused on you?
06:26 <noob_saibot> LOL
06:27 <noob_saibot> tthats the point!
06:27 <noob_saibot> focus on her
06:27 <BabyBug> mmm..dunno..i'd probably have to be drunk to do so..
06:27  * noob_saibot gets a bottle of Jack
06:28 <BabyBug> anywhoo!!...nice to see your keeping the channel clean lucifer!
06:28 <Lucifer> I don't see any arguing going on...
06:29 <BabyBug> lol you know what i mean
06:30 <Lucifer> here's a question for you
06:30 <BabyBug> ok..
06:30 <Lucifer> let's say there's a girl talking to a guy on the internet
06:31 <Lucifer> she says she's 18, and he asks for nudy pics, and she sends them
06:31 <Lucifer> then the FBI come and take him away, because she was an undercover agent and was only 15
06:31 <noob_saibot> Lol
06:31 <noob_saibot> you making me scared
06:31 <Lucifer> should the guy be convicted?
06:31 <Lucifer> this actually happened a few years ago
06:31 <BabyBug> No
06:31 <BabyBug> lol
06:31 <Lucifer> not to me!
06:31 <ct|kyle> No
06:31 <BabyBug> how can he be convicted for that
06:31 <noob_saibot> i am not talking to girls on tron anymore
06:32 <Lucifer> haha
06:32 <noob_saibot> Lucifer where u from
06:32 <Lucifer> texas
06:32 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
06:32 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 18.3°F (12:32 AM EST on January 11, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Rising).
06:32 <noob_saibot> oh cool
06:32 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
06:32 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 41.7°F (11:30 PM CST on January 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028.3 hPa (Rising).
06:33 <noob_saibot> #weather 11783
06:33 <@armabot> noob_saibot: The current temperature in Bellmore,Southshore of Long Island, Bellmore, New York is 30.6°F (12:32 AM EST on January 11, 2009). Conditions: Light Freezing Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 10 am EST this morning...
06:33 <noob_saibot> wrong town
06:33 <Lucifer> who let the damn yankee in here?
06:33 <BabyBug> Did the guy actually get convicted Lucifer?
06:33 <noob_saibot> stupid bot
06:33 <Lucifer> BabyBug: afaik
06:33 <noob_saibot> Lolz
06:33 <Lucifer> because the facts were that he asked a 15yo for nudy pics
06:34 <BabyBug> Well he if you have sex with a 15 year old, but she/he says they were 16...you can't be convicted
06:34 <BabyBug> I would of thought it's the same principle
06:34 <BabyBug> well here*
06:34 <Lucifer> problem is, it's too easy to lie and say "she told me she was 16"
06:34 <noob_saibot> 18*
06:35 <BabyBug> Lucifer, well usually the girl says it two.. lol
06:35 <Lucifer> heh, it's actually 17 here, iirc
06:35 <BabyBug> too*
06:35 <noob_saibot> damn lucky!
06:35 <noob_saibot> 18 here :(
06:35 <Lucifer> if she says it too, you might get off
06:35 <BabyBug> 16 here noob_saibot =P
06:35 <Lucifer> judges don't have to follow the laws :/
06:35 <noob_saibot> haha
06:35 <noob_saibot> i'm moving to Whales
06:35 <BabyBug> Wales*
06:35 <noob_saibot> what kinda Whale
06:35 <Lucifer> well it doesn't matter to me, I don't think it's possible for a girl that young to convince me she's 24 or older
06:35 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer
06:36 <BabyBug> Could i convince you i'm 24 or older? =D
06:36 <noob_saibot> how old are you Lucifer
06:36 <Lucifer> not here, heh
06:36 <Lucifer> old enough to have seen Tron in the movie theater?
06:36 <BabyBug> xD
06:36 <noob_saibot> haha nice
06:36 <noob_saibot> thats whatsup
06:36 <BabyBug> he's almost as old as you look saibot!
06:36 <noob_saibot> hey! im not that old!
06:36 <BabyBug> you look ittttttttttttttt
06:36 <BabyBug> xD
06:37 <noob_saibot> im 23 ffs
06:37 <noob_saibot> i dont have grey hairs
06:37 <Lucifer> I just added a decade to my appearance by letting my goatee grow back
06:37 <noob_saibot> and that pic is like 3 years old LOl
06:37 <Lucifer> it's all shot with white :)
06:37 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer shave it!
06:37 <noob_saibot> i have a goat now too
06:37 <noob_saibot> im shaving mine and just leave my stache
06:37 <Lucifer> noob_saibot: yeah, I hear you yankees *love* goats
06:37 <noob_saibot> 8-)
06:37 <noob_saibot> haha
06:37 <noob_saibot> go Mets
06:38 <BabyBug> hey what about you Lucifer? Do you shave/wax your pubes? =P
06:38 <noob_saibot> hahaha
06:38 <Lucifer> no
06:38 <noob_saibot> baby you never answered me do you
06:38 <Lucifer> it has to be kept up too much or else it hurts
06:38 <BabyBug> You trim them?
06:38 <Lucifer> not really, no
06:38 <Lucifer> I let them grow, I've got a pube that's 4 feet long now
06:38 <Lucifer> it's been growing since I was 9
06:38 <noob_saibot> LOL!
06:38 <BabyBug> ......
06:39 <Lucifer> I use it to floss my teeth
06:39 <noob_saibot> haha
06:39 <BabyBug> lmao
06:39 <noob_saibot> well your dentist should be proud
06:39 <noob_saibot> flossing is very important in good dental hygiene
06:40 <Lucifer> so, is belly hair good or bad?
06:40 <BabyBug>  bad
06:40 <BabyBug> very bad
06:40 <BabyBug> you should wax that
06:40 <noob_saibot> lolz
06:40 <Lucifer> no waxing, that's far more effort than I'm willing to put in just for appearance
06:41 <Lucifer> the ideal woman in my bed isn't worried about my appearance either, she's worried about where my hands are
06:41 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no effort, go down to a beauty parlour and just lie there
06:41 <BabyBug> they'll do it for ya :P
06:43 <BabyBug> Oh Lucifer, on a cleaner note...The join spectator menu item in 0.3.1 doesn't work......
06:43 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: you fixed it ti thought
06:43 <BabyBug> i have \o/
06:43 <ct|kyle> pastebin the patch :P
06:46 <BabyBug> he's gone again now ='(
06:47 <ct|kyle>  there is #m
06:48 <BabyBug> i don't trust that...
06:48 <ct|kyle> it works
06:48 <BabyBug> liar
06:48 <BabyBug> #m ct|kyle liar!
06:48 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
06:48 <ct|kyle> #m BabyBug See it works
06:48 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
06:48 <BabyBug> ?
06:48 <ct|kyle> :P
06:49 <BabyBug> i still don't trust it xD
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06:50 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, you never answered! shaven/waxed/hairy? :P
06:50 <ct|kyle> all
06:50 <BabyBug> .......
06:51 <BabyBug> you're the boring one of the bunch
06:51 <noob_saibot> lolz
06:51 <ct|kyle> no I should have given up on this code hours ago
06:52 <ct|kyle> now i have it, not crashing, but not picking up flags
06:52 <BabyBug> i don't see what's so hard about it!
06:52 <ct|kyle> neither do I lol
06:53 <BabyBug> if (player->HasFlag()) { // do nothing when it hits a flag }
06:53 <BabyBug> job done!
06:53 <ct|kyle> not that var
06:53 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, i made that up
06:53 <BabyBug> lol
06:53 <ct|kyle> i thought about making it
06:54 <noob_saibot> is that C++
06:54 <noob_saibot> or C
06:54 <BabyBug> wouldn't that be the easiest option?
06:54 <ct|kyle> ya
06:54 <ct|kyle> ya
06:54 <BabyBug> noob_saibot, i have no idea
06:54 <ct|kyle> C++
06:54 <BabyBug> oh =)
06:54 <BabyBug> <--- knows 0 c++
06:55 <Lucifer> <---- too
06:55 <BabyBug> liar
06:55 <BabyBug> Hey Lucifer!
06:55 <Lucifer> heh
06:55 <Lucifer> going to bed now!
06:55 <BabyBug> nuuuuuuuu
06:55 <ct|kyle> LOL
06:55 <BabyBug> wait!
06:55  * noob_saibot can't program
06:55 <noob_saibot> i am tired too
06:55 <Lucifer> ok, fine, make it quick
06:55 <Lucifer> I'm cold and want to get in the shower
06:55 <noob_saibot> my bed is calling my name
06:55 <Lucifer> noob_saibot: mine too
06:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer --> apply
06:56 <BabyBug> !!
06:56 <Lucifer> your bed is calling my name too
06:56 <Lucifer> BabyBug: can you #m that to me so I'll see it in the morning?
06:56 <noob_saibot> haha
06:56 <ct|kyle> LOL
06:56  * Lucifer reads his backbuffer
06:56 <Lucifer> 'night
06:56 <noob_saibot> sleep well lucifer
06:56  * BabyBug goes to cry in a corner
06:57 <noob_saibot> baby dont cry, ya gotta keep your head up even when the road is hard never give up -2pac
06:57 <BabyBug> you like 2pac? there's another bad point
06:57 <noob_saibot> whats wrong with pac
06:58 <noob_saibot> bad point?
06:58 <BabyBug> yes
06:58 <noob_saibot> i wasnt making a point
06:58 <BabyBug> bad point about you*
06:58 <noob_saibot> :(
06:58 <BabyBug> you asked what's wrong with you earlier on arma...So i'm going to point everything out that's bad from now on =P
06:58 <noob_saibot> haha
06:58 <noob_saibot> ok my nose, 2pac
06:58 <noob_saibot> what else
06:59 <BabyBug> you don't wax ya pubes
06:59 <ct|kyle> LOL i found my error i think
06:59  * ct|kyle is an idot
06:59 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, you're an eejit!
06:59 <noob_saibot> haha
06:59 <noob_saibot> enough pube talk
06:59 <noob_saibot> i dont want anyone getting arrested
06:59 <BabyBug> you asked!
07:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: something like that
07:00 <noob_saibot> no you did
07:00 <BabyBug> <noob_saibot> what else
07:00 <BabyBug> you did
07:00 <noob_saibot> lol
07:00 <noob_saibot> brb brush my teeth
07:05 <noob_saibot> so fresh and so clean
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07:11 <noob_saibot> this chat died out
07:13 <Paralyzed> hey guys
07:13 <BabyBug> helloooooooo
07:14 <noob_saibot> helloooooo
07:14 <BabyBug> and no i haven't added you saibot ^^
07:15 <noob_saibot> whatever
07:15 <noob_saibot> im over that ishh
07:15 <noob_saibot> ;P
07:15 <BabyBug> lol
07:16 <noob_saibot> i dont even know why i use msn
07:16 <noob_saibot> i have like 6 ppl on it
07:16 <Paralyzed> .si dodgeball
07:16 <BabyBug> i've only had it for a few days =x
07:16 <Paralyzed> .si DARKSIDE `DodgeBall'
07:16 <Paralyzed> hmm
07:17 <BabyBug> Paralyzed, use # not .
07:17 <noob_saibot> had msn for a few days
07:17 <noob_saibot> whats wrong with u
07:17 <BabyBug> i only spoke to 3 people...so i just added them onto the bf's account and used his :P
07:17 <noob_saibot> lol
07:18 <noob_saibot> alrighty then
07:18 <BabyBug> i prefer txts =P
07:18 <noob_saibot> mmmmm same
07:18 <noob_saibot> im  a text master
07:19 <Paralyzed> #si DARKSIDE `DodgeBall'
07:19 <@armabot> Paralyzed: DarkSide `DodgeBall': Players (0/16):
07:19 <BabyBug> =)
07:19 <Paralyzed> thanks alot
07:19 <Paralyzed>  xD
07:19 <Paralyzed> i had to demolish comp
07:19 <BabyBug> yw hunni ^^
07:19 <Paralyzed>  lost resource pass
07:19 <Paralyzed> and again
07:20 <Paralyzed> maybe if i finally make an upload page for resource for luke he wont be too mad to reset it
07:20 <BabyBug> perhaps he should give other people the ability to reset it xD
07:21 <noob_saibot> yea perhaps haha yea
07:22 <Paralyzed> is there any other map editor programs i can get better then armabell ona  windows?
07:22 <BabyBug> notepad \o/
07:23 <Paralyzed> nothing else?
07:23 <BabyBug> i've no idea sorry, don't make maps or use windows =x
07:23 <BabyBug> wiki probably lists all available map editors
07:24 <BabyBug> #aawiki map editor
07:24 <noob_saibot> what movie should i watch
07:24 <@armabot> BabyBug: Search took 0.01 seconds: Map Making - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Map_Making>; User:Lucifer - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Lucifer>; Making Maps Switch Randomly - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Making_Maps_Switch_Randomly>; Making Maps by Hand - Armagetron (2 more messages)
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07:25 <BabyBug> first one \o/
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07:25 <ct|kyle> #night
07:25 <@armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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07:31 <Paralyzed> ive been there
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07:31 <Paralyzed> links were broken
07:32 <Paralyzed> and one didnt have help for window
07:32 <Paralyzed> #si Adventures Of Tron
07:32 <@armabot> Paralyzed: Adventures of TRON >> Advanced Racing <<: Players (0/3):
07:34 <noob_saibot> :)
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09:24 <hang3r> Windows7 is looking surprisingly impressive (this coming for a linux zealot).
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09:27 <ivantis2> happy happy :)
09:28 <ivantis2> my first Android app works :)
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10:04 <Paralyzed> anyone out there
10:38 <hang3r> Hi
10:40 <Paralyzed> hi
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10:53 <hang3r> :(
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12:59 <siodjdsf> zmanual, does armagetron work in 64bit?
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13:33 <i2020> breep
13:42 <madmax> hello
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14:08 <i2020> hey madmax , how's life?
14:17 <madmax> same thing, different univ. year :-)
14:19 <madmax> you? still in malta?
14:41 <i2020> malta hehehe no... that was an age ago... took part in a major social experiment called 24weeks in summer 2007, worked as a teacher in penzance for a year which brought an end to my teaching career, beenoff to monasteries in thailand and now back in london to help with the economic crunch...
14:41 <i2020> what's your university course... this same thing?
14:47 <madmax> last time I remember hearing from you, you were in malta I guess :P
14:47 <madmax> it's information systems and computer engineering
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14:52 <i2020> wow... enjoying it?
14:53 <i2020> you are writing the script for the new world...
14:53 <i2020> or building it...
14:55 <madmax> yeah, I'm liking it :) and there's some nice courses in the 4th/5th year
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15:50 <freako5> k-yo what were u talking about?
15:50 <K-Yo> freako5, heh, I show you
15:51 <K-Yo> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=202116#top
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15:52 <freako5> sounds nice, let me try it
15:53 <freako5> somekind of update from armaspy?
15:54 <K-Yo> freako5, hmmm kinda
15:54 <K-Yo> but out of the browser ;)
15:57 <freako5> lets redownload it,, my zip file is corrupt -_-
15:58 <K-Yo> heh :/
15:59 <freako5> gotta reboot my pc
15:59 <freako5> after opening that zip.file my whole windows is fucked :|
15:59 <K-Yo> :)
15:59 <freako5> :\
15:59 <K-Yo> :S
16:00 <freako5> brb
16:00 <freako5> lol
16:00 <freako5> the power-off button isnt even working
16:01 <K-Yo> hahaha
16:01 <K-Yo> excellent
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16:05 <freako5> back
16:05 <freako5> k-yo how do i run it?
16:06 <K-Yo> freako5, run the java file
16:06 <K-Yo> freako5, what OS ur on?
16:06 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r977 Added comment....
16:06 <freako5> windows
16:06 <K-Yo> #last --from=Pinktomatoes --with=http
16:06 <@armabot> K-Yo: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
16:07 <K-Yo> freako5, run the java file
16:07 <freako5> <---- java noob
16:07 <K-Yo> freako5, double clic it
16:07 <K-Yo> xD
16:07 <K-Yo> <--- java super noob
16:07 <freako5> wich file lol ?
16:07 <K-Yo> jre
16:07 <K-Yo> no
16:07 <K-Yo> jar
16:07 <freako5> the zip archive?
16:07 <K-Yo> oh
16:07 <K-Yo> you have to unzip it first xD
16:08  * freako5 hates people who zip files twice :p
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16:08 <K-Yo> oi ct|kyle
16:08  * freako5 is waiting for someone saying, *i hate freako*
16:08 <K-Yo> freako5, twice zipped? mine was only once
16:08 <K-Yo> *i hate freako*
16:09 <freako5> 1. forum download <-- zip   2. in the zip is another zip :/
16:09 <K-Yo> well
16:09 <K-Yo> I had only one
16:09 <K-Yo> maybe alien just changed the file xD
16:09 <freako5> uhm.. and then?
16:09 <freako5> im totally stuck
16:10 <K-Yo> what files you have?
16:10 <freako5> monitron-class.   etc
16:10 <K-Yo> huh
16:10 <K-Yo> we don't have the same file
16:10 <K-Yo> let me check
16:12 <K-Yo> freako5, http://crazy-tronners.com/kyo/MoniTron.zip
16:12 <K-Yo> here is the file I got
16:12 <freako5> same
16:13 <freako5> when u press the jar it starts?
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16:13 <K-Yo> yep
16:13 <K-Yo> (but I have latest version of java)
16:13 <K-Yo> it's needed apparently from what alien says
16:13 <freako5> same
16:13 <freako5> -_-
16:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8784 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nServerInfo.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added comment.
16:14 <K-Yo> hmm
16:14 <K-Yo> so you have monitron.jar ? and when you double clic, what does it do?
16:14 <freako5> opens a zip archive :P
16:14 <K-Yo> hmmm
16:14 <K-Yo> then
16:14 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: it shows the class files :)
16:14 <K-Yo> right clic and run with
16:14 <PinkTomato> you run it as ./MoniTron.jar
16:14 <K-Yo> run with java
16:15 <K-Yo> hi PinkTomato :)
16:15 <PinkTomato> Hey K-Yo :)
16:15 <PinkTomato> Did Run With Java work?
16:15 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, I double clic personally, it's enough here :P
16:15 <PinkTomato> freako5 must have an archiver that thinks .jar is an archive :)
16:16 <freako5> winrar :\
16:17 <i2020> breep
16:17 <freako5> why does java has someone .exe prgms lol
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16:18 <freako5> gotta choose out of like 20 :P
16:18 <freako5> wich one is right -_-
16:18 <freako5> brb
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16:20 <freako5> k-yo: wich jave .exe do i need?
16:21 <PinkTomato> freako5: load a command prompt, and try java MoniTron.jar
16:21 <freako5> they basically all do nothing :/
16:22 <K-Yo> freako5, eeerm
16:22 <freako5> could not find the main class: Monitron.jar
16:23 <PinkTomato> javaw.exe -jar
16:23 <PinkTomato> sorry :)
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16:23 <freako5> no respond
16:23 <freako5> only a sound, that it failed
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16:24 <PinkTomato> what sort of fail?
16:25 <freako5> lol
16:25 <freako5> it gives no respond/ it makes that sound, when ur copying files..... and it gets stuck :P
16:25 <K-Yo> hmmm
16:25 <K-Yo> i'm trying to find in the registry what file reads it
16:26 <K-Yo> freako5, "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe" -jar "%1" %*
16:26 <freako5> It looks like a nice addon, only a bit to hard for javanoobs
16:26 <freako5> :|
16:26 <K-Yo> freako5, well, seems it depends
16:26 <K-Yo> you probably fucked the registry for .jar on installing winrar
16:27 <K-Yo> I didn't have any of those problems
16:27 <K-Yo> freako5, maybe reinstalling java6 (after winrar) will solve the problem
16:27 <freako5> finally
16:27 <freako5> its running
16:28 <K-Yo> :)
16:28 <freako5> why are CT-s server my favourite LOL!
16:28 <freako5> :P
16:29 <freako5> how can i add favourite servers? :P
16:29 <K-Yo> edit the .ini file
16:29 <K-Yo> with a text editor
16:29 <freako5> and, how can I join a server with it "[
16:30 <freako5> :)
16:32 <K-Yo> clic it on the tray :)
16:32 <K-Yo> (first restart the app if you modified the ini file)
16:33 <freako5> and... how many time does it reload :P
16:34 <K-Yo> well
16:34 <K-Yo> I guess like wrtl's script
16:34 <K-Yo> so more or less every minute
16:35 <freako5> mmm... is there a way to speed it up? :P
16:35  * freako5 is asking to much
16:36 <PinkTomato> freako5: If it is powered from wrtl's site, then max update would be once a minute :)
16:37 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: what's beta 7 like?
16:37  * freako5 is going to stalk wrtl to speed it up :)
16:37 <K-Yo> freako5, I doubt it, if we do it more often, it would produce lag to master servers :P
16:37 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, ok
16:37 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: is it useable?
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16:38 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, are you talking about the build you gave me?
16:39 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: Whoops! I meant Windows 7 and it was kyle that responded to forum post
16:40 <K-Yo> windows 7 ? ^o)
16:41 <Lizmatic> how can I get arma working on a  64bit? asking for a friend
16:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8785 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: removed faulty build.
16:41 <@armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
16:42 <PinkTomato> I would have thought armagetron would work in 64 bits?
16:42 <PinkTomato> 32bit mode*
16:42 <zmanuel> Yep. It should just work.
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16:43 <Concord> hi i2020
16:44 <i2020> hey hey conks
16:45 <Lizmatic> 32bit mode?
16:46 <Lizmatic> I don't really know what the exact problem is, not much knowledge in that department, but my friend said tron doesn't work very well on 64bit
16:46 <Lizmatic> so that's all the info I can give
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16:47 <freako5> k-yo im mostly running xp
16:48 <freako5> only follow 7 a bit to see whats updated
16:48 <PinkTomato> Well downloading 64bit windows 7 so if it runs bad you'll know about it :)
16:48 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: copy cat
16:48 <freako5> havent done looked in a while though,, the updates of 7 suck
16:48  * Lizmatic doesn't get it
16:49 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: hehe, thanks for the links ct|kyle :D
16:49 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: I have 32 bit, getting 64 bit just to try some stuff 64 bit vista would not let me do
16:49 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: no problem a friend gave them to me :)
16:49 <PinkTomato> Most processors are 64-bit though?
16:49 <freako5> new* processors