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Log from 2009-01-07:
--- Day changed Wed Jan 07 2009
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00:04 <nsh22> hey
00:04 <nsh22> anybody here?
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00:09  * nsh22 slaps nsh22 around a bit with a large trout
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00:11 <nsh22> #weather
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
00:11 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 28.0°F (6:11 PM EST on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 28.88 in 977.9 hPa (Falling).
00:11 <nsh22> #g 24.8F to C
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: 24.8 degrees Fahrenheit = -4 degrees Celsius
00:11 <nsh22> #g 28F to C
00:11 <@armabot> nsh22: 28 degrees Fahrenheit = -2.22222222 degrees Celsius
00:12 <nsh22> cest tres froid
00:12 <nsh22> #forecast
00:12 <nsh22> #weather pakistan
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather kandahar
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Kandahar, Afghanistan is 35.6°F (2:25 AM AFT on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancouver
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancouver
00:13 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:13 <nsh22> #weather vancover
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:14 <nsh22> #weather victoria
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:14 <nsh22> #weather winnipeg
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Winnipeg, Manitoba is -0.4°F (5:00 PM CST on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -7.6°F. Windchill: -16.6°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
00:14 <nsh22> brrrr
00:14 <nsh22> #g -0.4f in c
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: (-0.4) degrees Fahrenheit = -18 degrees Celsius
00:14 <nsh22> #g -16.6f in c
00:14 <@armabot> nsh22: (-16.6) degrees Fahrenheit = -27 degrees Celsius
00:15 <nsh22> #g forecast
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:15 <nsh22> #g 7 x 7
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: 7 x 7 = 49
00:15 <nsh22> #g 8^1/2
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (8^1) / 2 = 4
00:15 <nsh22> #g 8^1/4
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (8^1) / 4 = 2
00:15 <nsh22> #g 9^1/4
00:15 <@armabot> nsh22: (9^1) / 4 = 2.25
00:16 <nsh22> #g 9^ 1/4
00:16 <@armabot> nsh22: (9^1) / 4 = 2.25
00:16 <nsh22> #g 9^(1/4)
00:16 <@armabot> nsh22: 9^(1 / 4) = 1.73205081
00:16  * z-man considers having spammy functions removed from armabot
00:16 <nsh22> lol sry
00:17 <nsh22> #help
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:17 <nsh22> #help g
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
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00:17 <nsh22> hey
00:18 <madmax> hi
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8756 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging from 0.3.1:
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos 2009-01-07 Softened limits on filename lenght in tarballs...
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Merged from trunk
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets...
00:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  dave@davefancella... 2009-01-06 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets...
00:39 <Lucifer> heh
00:39 <Lucifer> hmmmm
00:40 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ad1994b.bb.sky.com] has quit ["Leaving."]
00:41 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r760 Merging from 0.3.1:... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Softened limits on filename lenght in tarballs by moving to ... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r759 allow creating src/tFakeVersion.h to override automatic vers... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed bu
00:42 <nsh22> 0.o
00:43 -!- PinkTomato [n=Sam@5ad1994b.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
00:43 <nsh22> hey
00:43 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/DBall-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
00:43 <nsh22> lol @ ethan
00:43 <nsh22> wat a noob...
00:43 <PinkTomato> ethan?
00:44 <nsh22> codered
00:44 <nsh22> he is so annoying
00:44 <nsh22> brb
00:44 <nsh22> nvm, still here
00:46 <z-man> Lucifer: that should fix the tarball problem.
00:47 <z-man> I'm still working on getting the version info in builds FROM the resulting tarball right, epsy has done some preparation work there.
00:47 <z-man> All one needs to do is pack tFakeVersion.h into the tarball.
00:47 <z-man> However, I'm going to lose net anytime soon :)
00:48 <z-man> It's connected to the TV, and my mother in law is going to turn that off.
00:48 <z-man> So I don't know whether the fix will make it in today.
00:48 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/dodgeball2-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
00:48 <Lucifer> epsy said he'd finished the work, I thought
00:49 <nsh22> how is your net connected to a tv?
00:49 <Lucifer> nsh22: usually with a cable
00:49 <nsh22> oh, so the monitor is being displayed on the tv
00:50 <z-man> Well, right now, there's an error in make dist that gets swallowed
00:51 <Lucifer> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/dave/Projects/armagetronad/build/src/".
00:52 <Lucifer> several errors of that type
00:52 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
00:53 <Lucifer> I really hate waiting for email
00:53 <nsh22> hmmm i wonder how you integrate the settings into the map...
00:53 <Lucifer> nsh22: you don't
00:53 <Lucifer> you *can*, but you shouldn't
00:53 <nsh22> oh ok
00:54 <nsh22> i just saw the settings thing on the preview
00:54 <Lucifer> ah
00:54 <Lucifer> that's there to allow for things to be put in the map that currently exist as settings, that haven't yet been turned into map elements
00:55 <Lucifer> but there's serious potential for abuse
00:55 <nsh22> ill jsut put it in autoexec :P
00:55 <Lucifer> is it on a dedicated server?
00:56 <nsh22> ya
00:56 <nsh22> on a host you mean?
00:56 <Lucifer> ?
00:56 <nsh22> nvm
00:56 <Lucifer> no, I mean is it running the dedicated server software, or are you saying "Host Game" in the client
00:57 <nsh22> is there a way so that the server doesnt terminate connections if you input a wrong map_file?
00:57 <Lucifer> nope
00:57 <nsh22> ok
00:57 <Lucifer> generally speaking, there isn't a way to recover from that
00:57 <nsh22> ok, so i have to change it in the configs...
00:58 <Lucifer> now, some day, we'll have a new config system where we might be able to track previous config values and revert the map setting in that case
00:58 <nsh22> like a fail safe?
00:58 <Lucifer> yeah
00:58 <nsh22> ok
00:58 <Lucifer> but we don't have it now ;)
00:58 <nsh22> aw
00:58 <Lucifer> hey, patches welcome :)
00:58 <nsh22> so is 0.3 a pretty big change from 2.8?
00:58 <Lucifer> yes
00:58 <Lucifer> 0.3.1 even more so, when it comes out
00:58 <PinkTomato> what about server-side?
00:59 <Lucifer> (soon, epsy keeps breaking it, heh)
00:59 <nsh22> im not good with programming, i cant even complie the sty  patch
00:59 <nsh22> lol
00:59 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: what about server-side?
00:59 <Lucifer> oh, right, ummm
00:59 <Lucifer> 0.3.0 didn't change much on the server from the current 0.2.8 release when it came out
00:59 <Lucifer> 0.3.1 has lots of changes that are server-side as well
01:00 <nsh22> will it crash servers?
01:00 <PinkTomato> nsh22: what one?
01:00 <nsh22> liek as of now?
01:00 <nsh22> 0.3
01:00 <Lucifer> the rule is simple.  If you're worried about crashes, run the latest 0.2.8 version
01:00 <nsh22> ok
01:01 <Lucifer> all 0.3 releases are development releases, inherently unstable and released so they can be tested
01:01 <Lucifer> so there's a bit of a tradeoff
01:01 <nsh22> ok
01:01 <Lucifer> since the new features are in 0.3, you can decide whether you want to participate in the development process, or have stable software
01:01 <Lucifer> but you really can't choose both ;)
01:02 <Lucifer> actually you can, but you'd have to run multiple versions
01:02 <Lucifer> (some people run 0.2.8 servers for stability, and then keep up to date with the trunk so they can play with new features)
01:02 <nsh22> a fail safe setting shouldnt be too hard, just do INCLUDE failsafe.cfg if MAP_FILE does not exist
01:02 <nsh22> failsafe haviong a safe map_file
01:03 <nsh22> but that would be getting into the source programming now wouldnt it?
01:03 <Lucifer> there are plenty of logical solutions that can't be coded in the current config loading arch
01:03 <Lucifer> well, you are talking to a programmer ;)
01:03 <PinkTomato> A production server shouldn't be loading invalid map files anyway ;)
01:03 <Lucifer> also, there are issues with when the map file is actually parsed
01:04 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's true, but it's annoying to test your MAP_FILE setting when the server crashes if its wrong
01:04 <nsh22> ya it is 0.o im doing it right now
01:05 <PinkTomato> hmm, true. I think the map validator was ported to PHP
01:05 <nsh22> i have to go in, restart my server to load the new autoexec bbecause its stupid and wont do it itself
01:05 <nsh22> its the path i put in, i spelled sumthing wrong
01:06 <Lucifer> oh crap
01:06 <nsh22> i keep putting fortess instaed of fortress
01:06 <Lucifer> #quote add i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22
01:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.  Quote #85 added.
01:06 <nsh22> ?
01:06 <Lucifer> #quote get 85
01:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #85: "i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:06 AM, January 07, 2009)
01:06 <nsh22> what r u doing?
01:06 <PinkTomato> hehe
01:07 <Lucifer> oh yeah, be prepared to have some stupid thing you might say here added to our quote library so can laugh at it at our convenience
01:07 <ct|kyle> #quote get 69
01:07 <nsh22> oh ok
01:07 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Quote #69: "gentoo ebuild is as broken as luke-jr himself :D ~xfroggy" (added by ct|kyle at 06:23 PM, January 26, 2008)
01:07 <nsh22> i dont care about that
01:07 <nsh22> lol
01:07 <Lucifer> #q
01:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #67: "browser? like xp, vista, mac? stuff like that? cause i have a vista~Neutrino" (added by ct|kyle at 04:29 AM, December 27, 2007)
01:08 <nsh22> haha
01:08 <nsh22> wherer do u see all the ones saved?
01:08 <Lucifer> someone should give Neutrino a copy of emacs
01:08 <ct|kyle> heh
01:08 <Lucifer> you can't read them all on one page, but you are welcome to /msg armabot and read them one by one
01:08 <nsh22> oh ok
01:08 <Lucifer> right before the new year started, we went through trying to find all the 2008 quotes
01:08 <nsh22> ffs my server still wont load it...
01:08 <nsh22> lol
01:09 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8757 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Create tTrueVersion.h in build, not source directory.
01:09 <ct|kyle> you will have to do #quote get #armagetron 1....99
01:09 <PinkTomato> nsh22: stick it in a pastebin and I'll take a look
01:09 <nsh22> a what?
01:09  * PinkTomato points to topic :)
01:10 <nsh22> FFS i didnt capitalize something
01:10 <Lucifer> that's no surprise
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01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8758 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Create source tarballs with tFakeVersion.h so the extended version info included in builds is correct.
01:10 <nsh22> for next release, dont make it case sensitive (i know its stupid to ask that)
01:11 <Lucifer> it has been my observation that people who abbreviate small words like "your" and "to" have great difficulty typing a working MAP_FILE argument
01:11 <Lucifer> it's not stupid to ask for that, it just isn't happening
01:11 <nsh22> i can usually type it right, cuz i usually dont use caps
01:11 <Lucifer> Linux has case sensitive file names, and we can't change that, we must support it
01:11 <nsh22> pft...linux lol
01:11 <nsh22> is tron based onlinux?
01:12 <Lucifer> 99.999% of the development is done in linux
01:12 <Lucifer> so pffft right back at you
01:12 <nsh22> ol ok
01:12 <PinkTomato> + like 50% of people here use it regularly if not more ;)
01:12 <BabyBug> 99.998%* Lucifer!
01:12 <nsh22> see, i know near nothing of programming and development
01:12 <Lucifer> that's obvious :)
01:12 <nsh22> ty
01:13 <PinkTomato> it's fun to try, just don't look at arma code when your stating out ;)
01:13 <K-Yo> blah
01:14 <nsh22> y not?
01:14 <Lucifer> please tell me make distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <Lucifer> nsh22: because you might go blind
01:14 <nsh22> lol
01:14 <K-Yo> lumake distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <K-Yo> Lucifer,  make distcheck is about to be finished
01:14 <Lucifer> oh goodie!  Then I can get back to building autopackages :)
01:15 <K-Yo> Lucifer, whatever!
01:15 <PinkTomato> :(
01:15 <Lucifer> you know, for the 0.0000000001% of the world that uses linux
01:15 <nsh22> lol
01:16 <Lucifer> well, it worked, but it's still a screwy version thing epsy stuck me with
01:17 <nsh22> ok, now im mad
01:17 <Lucifer> man, epsy's version script doesn't work at all
01:18 <Lucifer> where's epsy when I want to bitch at him?  :(
01:18 <nsh22> i copied directly from the preview and it still died
01:18 <nsh22> lol
01:18 <Lucifer> maybe your setting is correct, but the map file itself is broken?
01:18 <K-Yo> nsh22, boo
01:18 <nsh22> i doubt it
01:19 <nsh22> nvm, i dont doubt it
01:19 <PinkTomato> nsh22: http://rafb.net/paste/ copy paste it in there, and pass the link.
01:19 <nsh22> i made it in armabell, change te resource system and all the resource info
01:19 <Lucifer> heh, armabell
01:19 <nsh22> u want me to paste the code in there?
01:19  * Lucifer considers starting work on acme again
01:20 <PinkTomato> the XML for the MAP_FILE
01:20 <nsh22> kk
01:20 <K-Yo> nsh22, quote from BabyBug " paste it in there"
01:20 <PinkTomato> what was ACME?
01:20 <nsh22> whats acme?
01:20 <BabyBug> K-Yo?
01:20 <K-Yo> BabyBug, oops, wrong name :P
01:20 <K-Yo> sry
01:20 <Lucifer> it's the Armagetron Advanced Resource Editor that I haven't worked on in a couple of years
01:20 <BabyBug> *slap* :P
01:21 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: was it complete :)?
01:21 <Lucifer> no :)
01:21 <nsh22> http://rafb.net/p/dBmWu973.html
01:21 <PinkTomato> hoop started a map editior too
01:21 <K-Yo> vectron
01:21 <Lucifer> I'll work on it again after 0.3.1 is out, I'll need it for the resource work I'll be doing then
01:21 <Lucifer> yeah, acme isn't just a map editor, it's for all resources
01:21 <nsh22> armabell has worked for e before. i dunno why its maessed up
01:21 <PinkTomato> Oh I see
01:22 <PinkTomato> I don't want to criticise armabell, as it's all we got.
01:22 <Lucifer> then allow me :)
01:22 <nsh22> lol
01:22 <nsh22> haha
01:23 <Lucifer> there was a previous version of acme that worked, but never got updated to the new map format
01:23 <Lucifer> had it been updated, armabell wouldn't have been needed
01:23 <nsh22> pink, did u look at the code?
01:23 <Lucifer> see, the thing with armabell is that it's closed source, so when it doesn't work, there ain't jack you can do about it
01:23 <nsh22> why cant you do anything? its just an xml
01:23 <Lucifer> the developer lost the code (one of the risks of keeping it to yourself!), so it *can't* be fixed anymore
01:24 <Lucifer> what's just an xml?
01:24 <K-Yo> data:image/svg+xml;base64,PD94bWwgdmVyc2lvbj0iMS4wIiBlbmNvZGluZz0iVVRGLTgiPz48IURPQ1RZUEUgc3ZnIFBVQkxJQyAiLS8vVzNDLy9EVEQgU1ZHIDEuMS8vRU4iICJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9yZy9HcmFwaGljcy9TVkcvMS4xL0RURC9zdmcxMS1iYXNpYy5kdGQiPjxzdmcgeG1sbnM9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cudzMub3JnLzIwMDAvc3ZnIiB2aWV3Qm94PSIzNjMgMjY3IDM2MiA1MzgiIHdpZHRoPSIxMjgwcHgiIGhlaWdodD0iNjEwcHgiPjxkZWZzPjxtYXJrZXIgaWQ9InNwYXduIiBtYXJrZXJXaWR0aD0iMzAiIG1hcmtlckhlaWdodD0iNDAiIHJlZlg9IjIiIHJlZlk9IjE1IiBvcmllbn
01:24 <Lucifer> what is "an xml"?
01:24 <K-Yo> Q9ImF1dG8iIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCA0MCAzMCI+PHBhdGggZD0iTSAtNSwwIC01LDIwIC0xNSwyMCAwLDQwIDE1LDIwIDUsMjAgNSwwIFoiIGZpbGw9InJlZCIgdHJhbnNmb3JtPSJ0cmFuc2xhdGUoMCwgMTUpIHJvdGF0ZSgtOTApIi8+PC9tYXJrZXI+PC9kZWZzPjxyZWN0IHg9IjM2MyIgeT0iMjY3IiB3aWR0aD0iMzYyIiBoZWlnaHQ9IjUzOCIgZmlsbD0id2hpdGUiLz48cG9seWxpbmUgcG9pbnRzPSIzNjgsMjcyIDM2OCw4MDAgNzIwLDgwMCA3MjAsMjcyIDM2OCwyNzIiIHN0cm9rZT0iYmxhY2siIHN0cm9rZS13aWR0aD0iMiIgZmlsbD0ibm9uZSIvPjxjaXJjbGUgcj0iNTAiIGN4PSI1NDQiIGN5PS
01:24 <K-Yo> I3MzYiIHN0cm9rZT0iI2ZmYTUwMCIgb3BhY2l0eT0iMSIgc3Ryb2tlLXdpZHRoPSIyIiBmaWxsPSJub25lIi8+PGNpcmNsZSByPSI1MCIgY3g9IjU0NCIgY3k9IjMzNiIgc3Ryb2tlPSIjZmZhNTAwIiBvcGFjaXR5PSIxIiBzdHJva2Utd2lkdGg9IjIiIGZpbGw9Im5vbmUiLz48cGF0aCBtYXJrZXItZW5kPSJ1cmwoI3NwYXduKSIgc3Ryb2tlLXdpZHRoPSIuNSIgc3Ryb2tlPSJyZWQiIGQ9Ik0gMCAwIDAgMSIgdHJhbnNmb3JtPSJ0cmFuc2xhdGUoNTQ0LCAzMzYpIHNjYWxlKDEsIC0xKSByb3RhdGUoLTkwKSBtYXRyaXgoMCwgLTEsIDEsIDAsIDAsIDApIi8+PHBhdGggbWFya2VyLWVuZD0idXJsKCNzcG
01:24 <K-Yo> F3bikiIHN0cm9rZS13aWR0aD0iLjUiIHN0cm9rZT0icmVkIiBkPSJNIDAgMCAwIDEiIHRyYW5zZm9ybT0idHJhbnNsYXRlKDU0NCwgNzM2KSBzY2FsZSgxLCAtMSkgcm90YXRlKC05MCkgbWF0cml4KDAsIDEsIC0xLCAwLCAwLCAwKSIvPjwvc3ZnPg==
01:24 <PinkTomato> yeah :(.
01:24 <K-Yo> oops
01:24 <K-Yo> that's the map previex
01:24 <Lucifer> #kick K-yo wrong window
01:24 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "wrong window"]
01:24 <nsh22> the file made by armaell to make the maps
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01:24 <Lucifer> I'm talking about armabell itself, not its output
01:24 <K-Yo> Lucifer, no, right one
01:24 <nsh22> oh ok
01:25 <PinkTomato> nsh22: I'm looking now
01:25 <Lucifer> sorry K-yo, I was already in motion when you spoke up, couldn't abort
01:25 <Lucifer> but in the future, please use a pastebin for that sort of big paste :)
01:25 <nsh22> what is it?
01:25 <K-Yo> Lucifer, hahaha, np
01:25 <PinkTomato> its an image
01:25 <nsh22> oh
01:26 <K-Yo> Lucifer, it was in the adress bar, I thoug it'd be shorter
01:26 <K-Yo> nsh22, the preview of you map
01:26 <K-Yo> (who is working)
01:26 <nsh22> oh
01:26 <nsh22> do u guys want the link to the preview?
01:26 <Lucifer> no, we want to read error messages
01:26 <K-Yo> "want"
01:26 <Lucifer> if we can't read your error messages, we can't help you
01:27 <nsh22> ok
01:27 <Lucifer> we want to read all of them, IN A PASTEBIN
01:27 <nsh22> the error message was 404:the file cannot be found
01:27 <K-Yo> nsh22, woot
01:27 <nsh22> ill go check the logs
01:27 <K-Yo> nsh22, is it in the aa resource repository?
01:27 <nsh22> yes
01:28 <nsh22> under neal/fort
01:28 <K-Yo> #last --from=armabot --with=neal
01:28 <@armabot> K-Yo: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
01:29 <PinkTomato> only problem you have there is that the category is Fortress, so needs to be in the Fortress folder?
01:29 <K-Yo> author="neal" category="Fortress"
01:29 <K-Yo> yes
01:29 <nsh22> it is, oops, i just realized i abreviated it in here
01:29 <nsh22> <Resource type="aamap" name="Fortress" version="1.0.0" author="neal" category="Fortress">
01:30 <Lucifer> so....
01:30 <Lucifer> neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml  ?
01:30 <nsh22> ya
01:30  * Lucifer points out we still haven't read any actual error messages, we've only been told what the error is
01:31 <PinkTomato> thats because there is no error
01:32 <Lucifer> ?  he said there's a 404 error and the map isn't loading
01:32 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:32 <Lucifer> and the server keeps crashing
01:32 <PinkTomato> loads here
01:32 <nsh22> im getting the logs...
01:32 <K-Yo> nsh22, you did not change the resource adress?
01:32 <K-Yo> .cfg2 resource
01:33 <K-Yo> #cfg resource
01:33 <@armabot> K-Yo: RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER: URI clients and the server use to search for map files if they aren't stored locally (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
01:33 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: indeed, the reason we want to read error messages is so we can see what he actually put in for the address :)
01:33 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d518dabb7
01:33 <K-Yo> cycle_BRAKE
01:33 <K-Yo> not brakes
01:33 <K-Yo> same for deplete
01:33 <nsh22> ok, but that wouldnt cause it to crash
01:33 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE  neal/Fortress/Fortress.1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:33 <nsh22> i realised that when i saw it
01:34 <Lucifer> ah, PinkTomato (hi there!) beat me to it
01:34 <Lucifer> wtf is with all the brake messages?
01:34 <PinkTomato> you were close, at least it wasn't the wrong case. MAP_FILE neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml. note the - between the name and version :)
01:34 <nsh22> fik, is it that one .
01:34 <nsh22> the "-"?
01:35 <PinkTomato> that's all it was
01:35 <K-Yo> yep
01:35 <K-Yo> http://master.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/neal/Fortress/Fortress-1.0.0.aamap.xml
01:35 <K-Yo> well
01:35 <nsh22> ive uploaded other maps with the- and it didnt crash
01:35 <K-Yo> time to sleep for me
01:36 <K-Yo> later ;)
01:36 <PinkTomato> later :)
01:36 <nsh22> later :)
01:36 <Lucifer> no, you're MISSING the -
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01:36 <Lucifer> you have a . in place of the -
01:36 <nsh22> oh, i must of done that in-game
01:37 <nsh22> my utoexec file is correct then
01:37 <Lucifer> #
01:37 <Lucifer> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:56681.
01:37 <nsh22> here the autoexec http://pastebin.com/d31b2ea59
01:37 <Lucifer> when the error message appears before that line, it means your config file is wrong
01:37 <nsh22> ok
01:38 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: any idea why neal is using this:  Command WEB_USE_INTERNAL unknown.
01:38 <nsh22> so thats what it is?
01:38 <nsh22> i am?
01:38 <nsh22> where is that file?
01:38 <Lucifer> he has to be running 0.3 if he's got that in there
01:39 <Lucifer> er wait
01:39 <PinkTomato> that should be settings_custom.cfg
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01:39 <nsh22> im checking now
01:39 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that setting is only in 0.3.0, so he must have gotten a config file that he's editing from 0.3.0
01:39 <Lucifer> in all likelihood, PinkTomato (hi there!) , he's probably got a borked server installation anyway
01:39 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d7e951969 thats the settings_custom
01:40 <nsh22> so the installation is fooked on it?
01:40 <Lucifer> you should really put the server name and talk_to_master in server_info.cfg
01:40 <nsh22> i left admin pass out of the paste bin,
01:40 <PinkTomato> ;)
01:40 <Lucifer> that should also be in server_info.cfg
01:41 <nsh22> ok, but does it matter?
01:41 <Lucifer> well, yeah, you can't paste your entire settings_custom.cfg file
01:41 <Lucifer> unless you can do that, there's a certain amount of support you can't get, because it is oftentimes necessary to see exactly what you see
01:41 <Lucifer> but we can't do that if you have to redact stuff
01:41 <nsh22> i can change it to the server_info
01:41 <Lucifer> the *reason* there's a separate server_info.cfg file is so you can put private, server-specific config in it
01:42 <nsh22> oh
01:42 <Lucifer> and it is loaded before the gameplay settings are initialized, so you *can't* put gameplay config in it, you need to put that in settings_custom.cfg
01:42 <Lucifer> clearly you didn't read the wiki page :)
01:42 <nsh22> lol
01:42 <nsh22> i think i read some of it....
01:43 <PinkTomato> Still dosen't explain the loads of cycle_brakes unknown
01:43 <Lucifer> well, I didn't write that page just so I can sit here in irc and tell people what's on it :)
01:43 <nsh22> ya, i d ont know where thats coming from
01:43 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's why I think he's got a borked installation, it almost looks like there's some sort of looped config file loading going on
01:43 <Lucifer> what's in your everytime.cfg ?
01:44 <nsh22> there isnt any 0.o
01:44 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: well that and obvious technical incompetence :)
01:44 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r762 Create source tarballs with tFakeVersion.h so the extended v... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r761 Create tTrueVersion.h in build, not source directory....
01:44 <PinkTomato> and your settings.cfg while your at it :)
01:44 <nsh22> its a new hoster, who got some guy to host arma servers
01:44 <nsh22> codehunter got him o do it
01:44 <Lucifer> which guy?
01:44 <Lucifer> oh, nvm then
01:44 <PinkTomato> Ah.
01:44 <Lucifer> I'm done talking to you :)
01:44 <nsh22> lol ok
01:45 <Lucifer> (codehunter is a known idiot around here, your best bet is to avoid anything he's near)
01:45 <PinkTomato> is that VcL Program?
01:45 <nsh22> see, i didnt know that
01:45 <nsh22> ya its vcl
01:45 <nsh22> im neal on lagtest
01:45 <nsh22> fyi
01:45 <PinkTomato> I gathered from yesterday and MAP_FILE :)
01:45 <nsh22> ?
01:46 <PinkTomato> MAP_FILE neal/Fortress etc etc
01:46 <nsh22> oh
01:46 <PinkTomato> He was a little rude to luke-jr
01:46 <nsh22> so i should find a new host?
01:46 <nsh22> ya he was
01:47 <nsh22> i might go with luke afte all
01:47 <Lucifer> did he come in here as codehunter?
01:47 <PinkTomato> If he works for that company he should be careful.
01:47 <Lucifer> yeah, luke's your best bet if you can't host it yourself
01:47 <nsh22> ok
01:47 <nsh22> well, u saw my thing about the non *'ed pass didnt you??
01:47 <PinkTomato> you can't insult luke-jr servers without backing it up if your part of a company
01:48 <nsh22> i odont think hes paart of dragonservers
01:48 <Lucifer> really, you can't insult luke-jr servers unless your an arma developer anyway, and we can only do that because he's fun to pick on ;)
01:48 <nsh22> lol
01:48 <PinkTomato> Ah I see, the post reads like an advertisement
01:48 <PinkTomato> lol Lucifer :)
01:48 <nsh22> so you think he is involved wioth dragon servers?
01:48 <Lucifer> which post are you reading?
01:49 <nsh22> on lagtest
01:49 <PinkTomato> http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2242
01:49 <nsh22> ill post a link
01:49 <Lucifer> ah, I'm not a member
01:49 <nsh22> http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2242
01:49 <nsh22> thenbecome one lol
01:49 <PinkTomato> Oh yeah, that bugs me
01:49 <nsh22> what does
01:50 <PinkTomato> Forums should be open to read
01:50 <Lucifer> I don't become members of forums that are members-only for most of their content
01:50 <nsh22> at least the news ones anyway
01:50 <nsh22> they arnt i dont think
01:50 <nsh22> most of it is open to others
01:50 <PinkTomato> log out and click the link ;)
01:50 <Lucifer> well, that link led to a login prompt
01:50 <nsh22> oh you mean registered (i thought u meant clan member) my bad
01:51 <PinkTomato> All that happens is that it ends up with loads and loads of members that only want to read
01:51 <Lucifer> member of the forums, heh
01:51 <nsh22> ill paste bin the first post
01:51 <Lucifer> well, see, the way I figure it, we put all of this arma content out there with no such restrictions
01:51 <Lucifer> the only members-only forums we have are for server admins and developers, and we discourage use unless privacy actually matters
01:52 <Lucifer> I really think that other people in the community need to adopt this attitude as well
01:52 <nsh22> http://pastebin.com/d3f7dd2db
01:52 <nsh22> for the RCON pass when i signed up, it wasnt *'ed
01:52 <Lucifer> now, I can't object to the WW forums as they are, because ww really gives back to the community with the servers they run
01:52 <nsh22> ya
01:52 <Lucifer> but if you recall codehunter's first experience with this community, he was leaching, plain and simple
01:52 <PinkTomato> whats an RCON password?
01:52 <nsh22> unfortunately, there are others who dont think that in our community
01:53 <nsh22> what you use to get on control panel
01:53 <nsh22> see, i dont know alot about code hunter so...
01:53 <Lucifer> that is an advertisement
01:54 <nsh22> hmmm
01:54 <nsh22> and i take it there is no way of getting a refund....
01:54 <PinkTomato> 7-fay refund law?
01:54 <Lucifer> We noticed that the .3 version of the server is a bit buggy and we had some issues when setting it up, So we will only be offering the stable version (. until a full release is made of the .3 beta version released by Z-Man.  <--- don't trust anybody who thinks z-man is the only developer :)
01:54 <PinkTomato> Or did I just make that up?
01:55 <PinkTomato> That bugged me too :)
01:55 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: you just made it up, wtf is a fay anyway?
01:55 <PinkTomato> day*
01:55 <nsh22> well at least it only cost me $12CAN
01:55 <Lucifer> oh it gets worse
01:55 <Lucifer> see, we corrected him when he first showed up, and that was a couple of years ago
01:55 <PinkTomato> live.com email contact?
01:55 <Lucifer> so he doesn't have any excuses now, except that he's NAME-DROPPING
01:55 <Lucifer> and I don't trust people who name-drop :)
01:55 <nsh22> so i should get rid of my server and go with luke?
01:56 <Lucifer> right luke-jr (hi there!) ?
01:56 <Lucifer> yes, absolutely
01:56 <nsh22> ok
01:56 <Lucifer> well, get your money's worth for what you've paid, of course
01:56 <nsh22> ill do that
01:56 <PinkTomato> yeah, keep the month
01:56 <nsh22> well i dont want to pay for two montsh so...
01:56 <PinkTomato> it's not completely useless
01:57 <nsh22> the admin was good about getting my username (i had forgotton it for the cp)
01:57 <Lucifer> luke-jr's servers may look more expensive than codehunter's, but I think we can all agree that luke-jr's servers are going to be less expensive when you consider how much service *you* get for it (no, I'm not advertising)
01:57 <PinkTomato> What really bugged me is when he said that luke-jr servers had low disc space and low bandwidth
01:57 <nsh22> wait, i have a good 1 as well...
01:57 <PinkTomato> I can't see how they could even try to back that up
01:58 <Lucifer> the problem is, he's technically correct
01:58 <nsh22> quote;Were you ever a customer of Luke's? If you were you would know that the servers are not worth a d*mn
01:58 <Lucifer> luke-jr's servers have limited bandwidth and disk space
01:58 <Lucifer> but so do codehunter's :)
01:58 <Lucifer> so do mine, so does everybody
01:58 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
01:59 <Lucifer> nsh22: last I heard, luke had a server with the same company that wrtlprnft (hi there!) went with for Fort Cafe
01:59 <nsh22> lol pinktomatoe goes on abou t authentication
02:00 <PinkTomato> what access do you have nsh22?
02:00 <PinkTomato> ftp?
02:00 <Lucifer> finaly, don't buy any internet service from somebody who talks about a web link like it can do more than refer to a file
02:00 <nsh22> ?
02:01 <nsh22> the ftp is weird, it wouldnt sign on, it didnt exist...
02:01 <Flex> luke-jr had/has a really good UK server, some slight hikups with lag, but overal it was good. reached pings as low as 12ms..
02:01 <nsh22> are they all in uk?
02:01 <PinkTomato> they are the top of my list ;)
02:01 <PinkTomato> No all over the place
02:02 <Lucifer> luke-jr: come here and sell yourself, we're getting tired of doing it for you :)
02:02 <Lucifer> I think he's got a server in europe and one in the US (Texas, iirc)
02:02 <Lucifer> I don't know more than that
02:02 <nsh22> ok
02:02 <PinkTomato> and another in the east coast
02:02 <nsh22> ill sign up for his at the end of the month
02:02 <Flex> i believe the jumps was because of the way it was all networked.. or something, i don't know
02:03 <Flex> if it was a stand alone dedicated server, on that line it would of been perfect
02:03 <nsh22> luke jrs servers are 0.88 for first three months only :(
02:03 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, have you still got the alpha1 package installed?
02:03 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: which one?
02:03 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, ermm...the one ending in _alpha1.. =x
02:04 <PinkTomato> I uninstalled it, but I still have it
02:04 <BabyBug> Were you able to join Fortress Cafe when you had it installed?
02:04 <PinkTomato> No
02:04 <PinkTomato> Oh Lucifer
02:04 <PinkTomato> I couldn't get to fortress either, forgot to say
02:04 <BabyBug> ^^
02:04 <Lucifer> yeah, I heard something about that, but haven't seen any error messages I could read for myself yet ;)
02:05 <BabyBug> Lucifer, does the console get logged somewhere...So it can be pastebinned?
02:05 <Lucifer> hmmmm, I think there's an option to do that, but I don't remember what it is
02:05 <Lucifer> I'll look into it, if there is, I'll make it default for these alpha builds
02:06 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: is there a way i can make sure HTML code has no CSS style even if the tags have a style by default?
02:06 <Lucifer> too late for the packages I'm building right now, but they've got bad version stamps anyway
02:06 <PinkTomato> nsh22: it says if longer if I can afford it ;)
02:06 <nsh22> ya
02:06 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: not that I know of
02:06 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: some attributes can be cleared, I know that
02:06 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: isn't there something in the var folder?
02:06  * nsh22 is hungry
02:07 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: but you don't want to do that anyway, it causes problems for disabled users ;)
02:07 <ct|kyle> it is a firefox issue, works in konqueror
02:08 <BabyBug> Lucifer, when joining cafe: http://rafb.net/p/Tn7Gyx91.html
02:08 <BabyBug> i'll check PinkTomato
02:08 <PinkTomato> There isn't just checked, :). where did you get that from though?
02:09 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, I ran it from the terminal, and it outputted everything there aswell :)
02:09 <PinkTomato> ah yeah :)
02:09 <nsh22> is PSpad a good editor?
02:10 <PinkTomato> notepadd++ for windows is suggested by me
02:10 <nsh22> free?
02:10 <PinkTomato> no double d, it is free.
02:10 <BabyBug> #g notepad++
02:10 <@armabot> BabyBug: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:10 <BabyBug> oops =x
02:10 <BabyBug> #google notepad++
02:10 <@armabot> BabyBug: Search took 0.17 seconds: .:: NOTEPAD++ ::.: <http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/>; SourceForge.net: Notepad++: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/notepad-plus/>; SourceForge.net: Notepad++ : Files: <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=95717&package_id=102072>; Notepad++ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notepad%2B%2B>; Download (2 more messages)
02:10 <BabyBug> \o/
02:10 <nsh22> ty
02:10 <PinkTomato> the website is a little.. odd
02:11 <PinkTomato> but the program follows decent conventions when you make the title bar appear :)
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02:13 <nsh22> can it compile?
02:13 <PinkTomato> nsh22: are you after an IDE?
02:13 <nsh22> ?? i want to compile the sty patch if that helps
02:14 <PinkTomato> then you don't want notepad++ :)
02:14 <PinkTomato> would you rather have a pre-compiled version?
02:14 <nsh22> yes plz
02:14 <nsh22> lo
02:14 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, is there a pre-compiled windows version? O.o
02:15 <PinkTomato> Infamous compuled one
02:15 <PinkTomato> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18923&start=30
02:15 <BabyBug> ahh ^^
02:15 <PinkTomato> so thank them, not me  ;)
02:16 <nsh22> so what do i do with it?
02:17 <PinkTomato> it's an installer :
02:17 <PinkTomato> :)
02:17 <PinkTomato> so you install it :)
02:17 <SageLord> PinkTomato: does your team sumo server still have max 3 players per team?
02:18 <nsh22> so ow do i play it, uts a dedicated server
02:18 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: If it crashed and restarted it dosen't, I never committed the change. It was supposed to be temporary anyway, when I change to the csv settings from tst.
02:18 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, ? O.o
02:18 <nsh22> i found it
02:19 <PinkTomato> nsh22: Are you trying to get this running on NEAL's TEST SERVER.
02:19 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, did you mean to highlight SageLord there? :P
02:19 <SageLord> BabyBug: i think me :p
02:19 <BabyBug> ^^
02:19 <nsh22> well, no wid be satisfied with a local game
02:19 <nsh22> now id*
02:20 <nsh22> i found a game on the lan? its that it?
02:20 <PinkTomato> I meant SageLord sorry :). You are the same name colour as BabyBug , confuses me
02:20 <SageLord> Oo
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02:20 <nsh22> pinktomato i found a game on the lan? its that it?
02:20 <BugBaby> Different colour now? :D
02:21 <PinkTomato> yeah :D
02:21 <BugBaby> \o/
02:21 <SageLord> how do you change colors? Oo
02:21 <nsh22> ok
02:21 <PinkTomato> wait nsh22, that was to BugBaby
02:21 <BugBaby> SageLord, his client just colours everyones name
02:21 <PinkTomato> yes that is it nsh22
02:21 <BugBaby> So when i changed name..I got a new colour on his screen ^^
02:21 <nsh22> ok
02:21 <nsh22> it has armathentication i think as weell...
02:22 <PinkTomato> It's has some sort of algorhytm to it, babybug is always red for example
02:22 <nsh22> how do i add a local user?
02:22 <PinkTomato> LOCAL_USER <<name>> <<pass>>
02:23 <PinkTomato> USER_LEVEL <<name>>@ <<level>>
02:23 <nsh22> where do i put that server_info?
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02:23 <PinkTomato> that's a good place to put it :)
02:23 <nsh22> in the dedicated server files?
02:24 <PinkTomato> I can't remember on windows where it would be
02:24 <nsh22> i found the folder, its settings_authentication
02:24 <dlh> Lucifer: I've got a question about the 0.3.1 release process
02:25 <PinkTomato> ah wait nsh22 :)
02:26 <PinkTomato> just to complicate things
02:26 <PinkTomato> settings_authentication.cfg should not be touched :)
02:26 <PinkTomato> use server_info.cfg :)
02:26 <dlh> For 0.3.1_alpha1, I should do "bzr revert -rtag:0.3.1_alpha1" so that my sources are the same as in your release?
02:26 <nsh22> ok
02:27 <dlh> or should the latest be okay?
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02:32 <PinkTomato> nsh22: is it working?
02:32 <nsh22> hmmm not really, i added local_user to the server_info
02:33 <PinkTomato> what two lines did you add?
02:33 <PinkTomato> \cfg
02:33 <nsh22> local_user and user_level
02:33 <PinkTomato> I mean what did you type :)
02:34 <PinkTomato> #cfg user_level
02:34 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
02:34 <nsh22> ermm, like in the document?
02:34 <nsh22> it worked
02:34 <PinkTomato> Oh, problem solved :)
02:34 <PinkTomato> you put in 0 for level?
02:34 <PinkTomato> or 1
02:35 <nsh22> o,now i dont have admin, im just local :(
02:35 <PinkTomato> what's your user_level command?
02:35 <PinkTomato> @cfg user_level
02:35 <nsh22>  0
02:35 <PinkTomato> the full line ;)
02:35 <nsh22> USER_LEVEL neal 0
02:36 <PinkTomato> USER_LEVEL neal@ 0
02:36 <PinkTomato> the @ wasn't a typo ;)
02:36 <PinkTomato> but it wasn't very clear either
02:36 <nsh22> ok
02:36 <nsh22> i see
02:36 <PinkTomato> #cfg CYCLE_RUBBER
02:36 <@armabot> PinkTomato: CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block (10 more messages)
02:37 <nsh22> still a local user
02:38 <PinkTomato> restarted server?
02:39 <dlh> or include server_info.cfg
02:39 <dlh> or whatever you put it in
02:39 <nsh22> it worked i restarted it
02:39 <nsh22> ty
02:39 <PinkTomato> :)
02:42 <PinkTomato> Ok I'm off byebye :)
02:42 <nsh22> same
02:42 <nsh22> byby
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02:51 <Flex> BabyBug what makes you assume you have the intelligence to give advice?
02:51 <BabyBug> lol Flex, What makes you assume i'm giving advice?
02:52 <Flex> you're going to answer a quesiton with a question?
02:52 <BabyBug> Sure, why not? =)
02:54 <Flex> Babybug few months back, you're coming on here as a guy, then you turn into a virtual hooker, now you're relationship guru? Whatever you want to be, why don't you stay out of things that aren't your business? It might sound harsh, but I really mean it nicely and it's more of a request.
02:55 <BabyBug> A virtual hooker, wow that's nice hunni. I can why you're quite the catch.
02:55 <Flex> hey.. things might of been bad, but they're worse now, thanks
02:56 <BabyBug> Glad to be of some service.
02:56 <Lucifer> dlh: what's up?
02:57 <dlh> For 0.3.1_alpha1, I should do "bzr revert -rtag:0.3.1_alpha1" so that my sources are the same as in your release? Or will latest be okay?
02:58 <Lucifer> BabyBug: thank you, that answers a question I had when I was fixing a related problem with the cockpit
02:58 <Lucifer> dlh: latest is ok for now, there are some issues in the first alpha that didn't get discovered until I put it out :)
02:58 <BabyBug> Lucifer, For the pastebin right? =)
02:58 <Lucifer> there are issues in the latest as well, since I stupidly merged epsy's new version script
02:58 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yes, for the pastebin :)
02:59 <BabyBug> yw =)
02:59 <Lucifer> dlh: I'll tag for the second alpha, of course, as soon as I fix babybug's latest problem and the version script is sorted out, and then, in the absence of a third tag, you should package for that tag
02:59 <dlh> Lucifer: than should I name it something other than alpha1? Like create a tag "0.3.1_alpha2"?
03:00 <Lucifer> no, alpha2 is special.  If you want to remove the .1 and release it marked like a trunk snapshot, that's fine
03:00 <dlh> alright
03:00 <Lucifer> at this point, you're only sanity checking the packaging and finding any obvious problems that we typically miss when running off the trunk like we do :)
03:01 <Lucifer> and making sure the package has all the stuff it's supposed to have, particularly things added since you last packaged a release (0.3.0)
03:01 <Lucifer> I hope to be able to release 0.3.1 before next week gets going
03:01 <Lucifer> one thing that may be different from 0.3.0, though
03:02 <Lucifer> and I should probably post this, but I'll say it here first
03:02 <Lucifer> I intend to build autopackages with a completely clean build, test them a little bit, and then tag and build again
03:02 <Lucifer> I'll initiate the final release with the autopackages and source tarball
03:02 <Lucifer> I'm going to want the windows and mac os x builds built from that source tarball
03:03 <Lucifer> so, it would be nice to have at least one alpha where we do a dress rehearsal for that
03:03 <dlh> Right, sounds good
03:05 <Flex> BabyBug, going to take my request seriously.. don't you think I have a point?
03:06 <BabyBug> Flex, nope
03:07 <Flex> you don't give a fuck what happens?
03:07 <BabyBug> Of course I care what happens =)
03:07 <BabyBug> But i'm not the one making that decision hun.
03:07 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure
03:08 <dlh> ugh, batch/make/version is broken on system other than gnu binutils
03:08 <Lucifer> heh
03:08 <Lucifer> that's for the best, really
03:08 <Lucifer> because it's broken on gnu binutils systems too
03:08 <dlh> oh, good :)
03:08 <Lucifer> so, it's broken everywhere :)
03:08 <Flex> If you were any way mature the way you act yourself to be, you would know you don't go around giving advice in things you have no idea about or in this case when you don't know the entire picture. Decisions is not my concern here.
03:09 <Lucifer> whoah
03:09 <BabyBug> Why do you think i'm giving advice?
03:09 <Lucifer> hey, let's try to have disagreements without judging the other person, eh?
03:09 <BabyBug> And don't start talking about maturity when you're here saying this for everyone to read.
03:09 <Lucifer> how long has this argument been going on?  (I just realized I had been ignoring flex)
03:10 <BabyBug> erm..not long...only ~10 lines have been said
03:11 <Lucifer> oh good, I don't have to kick anybody yet
03:11  * Lucifer looks at the two arguers meaningfully
03:11 <Flex> it's not an argument, i don't want it to be.. i want BabyBug to understand..
03:11  * BabyBug identifies with armabot and kicks Lucifer xD
03:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
03:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by Lucifer
03:12 <BabyBug> haha
03:12 <Flex> who's going to kick you when you argue Lucifer?
03:12 <@Lucifer> guru3 :)
03:12 <@Lucifer> I can't stop you guys from arguing, but I can ask you to argue somewhere else
03:13 <Flex> na i'm done.. anyway, so why should i be mature with someone who doesn't act/be mature themselves.. i believe i already asked you to stop before BabyBug
03:14 <@Lucifer> translation:  "I'm done, so here's my parting shot"
03:14 <BabyBug> Hit the nail on the head Lucifer =P
03:14 <@Lucifer> hey, I used to be a kid too, you know ;)
03:14 <BabyBug> hehe
03:14 <BabyBug> ^^
03:15 <BabyBug> even if it was all that time ago eh?
03:15 <Flex> you forgot your classic, my kids ___ ect ect line, Lucifer
03:15 <@Lucifer> nah, I'm only recently divorced, and that psycho woman loved to remind me of what it was like to be a kid
03:15 <@Lucifer> Flex: oh now it's "My psycho ex"
03:15 <Flex> i've not heard that in a while
03:15 <@Lucifer> so instead of being compared to my kids, all the smegheads in the community get to be compared to her
03:16 <@Lucifer> Flex: I haven't been divorced for very long
03:16 <Flex> you should make it the channel title, so you don't have to keep talking about it
03:16 <@Lucifer> I think I'm starting to remember why you were on my ignore list
03:17 <Flex> na, it was because i didn't edit the wiki, you were a kid, not long ago
03:17 <@Lucifer> was your failure to edit the wiki linked to excessive bitching about how sucky the wiki is?
03:18 <Flex> not really. it was related to the fact that i prefered it to have it's own page..
03:19 <@Lucifer> curious if the chatlogs would support your contention or mine :)
03:19 <@Lucifer> but I don't care enough to dig up the conversation
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03:20 <Flex> neither do i.. it's on the wiki anyway, for now
03:20 <@Lucifer> damn, dlh left right when I was going to ask him a question
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03:22 <Flex> BabyBug, would it have helped if i spoke you in private.. i didn't think of that
03:24 <BabyBug> Flex, shush
03:24 <Flex> that's what i'd like you to do.. fair trade, huh?
03:24 <@Lucifer> it was 10 minutes since she last said something, and then she only said something in response to you....
03:25 <BabyBug> I'll stop talking to you no problem.
03:25  * Lucifer wants to know what "fair" means
03:25 <BabyBug> Fair trade food \o/
03:26 <Flex> Lucifer, it concerns what she says outside of this, not what she's been saying for the last 10 minutes.
03:26 <Flex> nm..
03:26 <@Lucifer> ah, so you're not really done arguing then
03:27 <@Lucifer> last warning, this is not the place for this argument :)
03:27 <Flex> can't reason with her, so no i'm done
03:27 <BabyBug> Lucifer, did you say you were building more autopackages tonight?
03:28 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: yeah, I just built them, but the version numbers are screwed up, and they don't include the map fix
03:28 <BabyBug> ahhhh okies
03:28 <@Lucifer> I can start another build, but I'm not putting it up for release because of the aforementioned version problem
03:28  * Lucifer is considering reverting the version script
03:28 <@Lucifer> hey, now's as good a time as any to learn about bzr revert
03:35 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I just hopefully reverted the version script, and will test.  If it works, I'll start up another package build for you ;)
03:35 <BabyBug> \o/ =D
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03:38 <nsh22> hey
03:38 <BabyBug> Hiho
03:38 <nsh22> #armaservers
03:38 <armabot> nsh22: This data is 52 seconds old; Wild West  =Team Sumo= (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (8/12), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (6/14), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (5/10), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (5/10), -=VcL.High Rubber Server (5/10), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (4/14), Birdy's Nest (Oddest Version Of Loose DF) (3/8), (2 more messages)
03:38 <nsh22> haha it gives wild wests info
03:38 <nsh22> thats awesome
03:38 <nsh22> #armaconfig
03:38 <armabot> nsh22: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
03:39 <nsh22> #notes
03:39 <armabot> nsh22: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlprnft..., wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], and aa_voodoo.
03:39 <@Lucifer> oh goodie
03:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer?
03:39 <@Lucifer> successfully reverted to a working version script :)
03:39 <BabyBug> =)
03:39 <nsh22> yay
03:40 <@Lucifer> started up a client build
03:40 <nsh22> #armagetron.tournys
03:40 <@Lucifer> It'll be marked as alpha2, but it's *not* alpha2
03:40 <BabyBug> heh, ok
03:40 <@Lucifer> I suspect dlh is about to put up a mac build, and I'd just as soon do alpha2 tomorrow
03:41 <@Lucifer> er, well, nvm, I may as well, now that I think about it :)
03:41 <nsh22> is tron a job for you?
03:41 <@Lucifer> nsh22: no, is it a job for you?
03:42 <nsh22> lol no, but i mean like, how do you find the time to do all this stuff?
03:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by Lucifer
03:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
03:42 <Lucifer> right now I'm job-hunting, if that gives you an idea ;)
03:42 <nsh22> oic
03:42 <Lucifer> also, recently divorced (I think I mentioned that....)
03:42 <nsh22> so you have lots of spare time?
03:43 <Lucifer> it's not exactly spare
03:43 <nsh22> oh, well that sucks (depends on how u look at it)
03:43 <nsh22> @the divorce
03:43 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer, you love reminding yourself that it happened don't ya? =P
03:43 <Lucifer> it's more like "I need to make sure I'm doing something rewarding right now or I'll fall deep into the pit of despair"
03:43 <nsh22> ah
03:43 <nsh22> ive done that, its not fun
03:44 <Lucifer> also, one of the available choices for me right now (still waiting to talk to the people about it) involves going in communicado for a few weeks
03:44 <Lucifer> so it would be nice if I could see 0.3.1 out the door before that happens ;)
03:44 <nsh22> communicado?
03:45 <Lucifer> in communicado, out of communication
03:45 <Lucifer> I'm lookiing at the national guard, and there's basic training and tech school attached to it
03:46 <nsh22> oh, u want to join the national guard?
03:46 <Lucifer> sure, why not?
03:46 <nsh22> is that different than the army?
03:46 <Lucifer> yes, it is
03:46 <nsh22> ok
03:47 <nsh22> how long would u be communicado?
03:47 <Lucifer> don't know, won't know until I talk to somebody
03:47 <Lucifer> I've had a brief email exchange with a recruiter (That I initiated), and tomorrow I'm going to get on the phone and see what I can come up with
03:48 <nsh22> u need to communicate in order to go in commudicado? lol
03:48 <Lucifer> heh
03:48 <nsh22> i saw your post about making wine on the cheap, do you still do it?
03:48 <Lucifer> no
03:48 <Lucifer> I gave all that stuff away a few months ago
03:49 <nsh22> id like to get into that kind of stuff, but im too young to get it myself
03:49 <Lucifer> how old are you?
03:49 <nsh22> 16
03:49 <Lucifer> er wait
03:49 <Lucifer> did you say you're in the uk?
03:49 <nsh22> canada
03:49 <nsh22> pinktomatoe is in the uk i think
03:49 <Lucifer> hmmmm, it might not even be legal for you to do it
03:50 <Lucifer> but if it is, you might be able to legally purchase the supplies :)
03:50 <nsh22> meh, just say my parents did it
03:50 <nsh22> id get my parents to get the stuf probably
03:50 <nsh22> legal drinking age is 21
03:50 <Lucifer> then it's probably legal anyway
03:50 <nsh22> maybe
03:50 <Lucifer> ah, legal drinking age usually has exceptions for the parent-child relationship
03:51 <nsh22> but the funny thing is, i dont drink at all
03:51 <nsh22> i have never consumed alcohol(other than a sip of a cooler a few years ago)
03:53 <Lucifer> then I recommend making a honeydew melon wine :)
03:53 <nsh22> ya, with a bunch of sugar to be converted into alcohol lol
03:53 <Lucifer> well, of course, that's how it's made, isn't it?  ;)
03:53 <nsh22> yes
03:54 <nsh22> but isnt honeydew like one of the more sugar packed fruits?
03:54 <nsh22> stherefore more alcohol?
03:54 <Lucifer> use like 3-4 honeydew melons for 5 gallons, and 3-4 cans of welch's white grape juice
03:54 <Lucifer> it might be more sugar-packed, but you still have to add extra sugar
03:54 <nsh22> and yeast?
03:54 <Lucifer> and of course yeast
03:54 <nsh22> lol
03:54 <Lucifer> there's a particular strand of yeast that's ideal for making fruit wines
03:55 <nsh22> ya, ill look around at some wie making shops
03:55 <Lucifer> it can tolerate up to 18% alcohol, but you probably won't get that high right away
03:55 <nsh22> we have quite a few here
03:55 <nsh22> lol
03:55 <Lucifer> there's more to raising yeast than giving them sugar :)
03:55 <nsh22> i dont realy plan on drinking it tbh, i just want the experiance
03:55 <nsh22> ya i read the entire article
03:55 <Lucifer> the experience isn't complete without drinking it ;)
03:56 <nsh22> ya i know
03:56 <Lucifer> that's why I suggest honeydew melon, it comes out really nicely
03:56 <Lucifer> it's a little on the sweet side, but you have to be a real wine lover to get into the dry wines
03:56 <Lucifer> so, for a first-time drinker, honeydew melon
03:56 <Lucifer> all other wines are an acquired taste
03:56 <nsh22> but i think that my family (fathers side) has a few chronics in it and im paranoid about becomeingone
03:56 <nsh22> i c now
03:57 <Lucifer> well, I quit drinking because I decided it was an addiction
03:57 <nsh22> good choice
03:57 <Lucifer> I wasn't drinking every day, but I don't seem to be able to drink without getting wasted
03:57 <Lucifer> can't enjoy just one glass of wine, have to drink the whole bottle
03:57 <Lucifer> so I gave my gear away
03:57 <nsh22> ya and that would take the fn out of it wouldnt it?
03:57 <nsh22> fun*
03:57 <Lucifer> well, drinking the whole bottle is fun too ;)
03:57 <nsh22> lol
03:58 <Lucifer> but it's kinda like not being able to kiss a girl unless you get into her pants
03:58 <nsh22> i think i would be more like that, just not being able to stop
03:58 <nsh22> if it tastes good
03:58 <Lucifer> when what you really want, for a healthy balance anyway, is a lot more kisses
03:58 <nsh22> lool
03:58 <Lucifer> well, at your age it isn't a big deal, seriously
03:58 <nsh22> ya
03:58 <Lucifer> but when you're 33, it's quite different
03:59 <Lucifer> teenagers are expected to party ;)
03:59 <nsh22> well, im like one of the few at my school who dont
04:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, are you trying to polute every ounce and innocence left in him? xD
04:00 <BabyBug> of innocence*
04:00 <nsh22> ive experianced what binge drinking does (my uncles can finish off 5 24s ina weekend (and thats canadian beer))
04:00 <Lucifer> hey, there's nothing wrong with making wine for fun :)
04:00 <nsh22> lol
04:00 <Lucifer> it's a fun hobby
04:00 <nsh22> thats all i want to do is do it for fun
04:00 <nsh22> im heavily into food, i want to be a chef someday
04:01 <Lucifer> and if he saves a bottle and gets wasted with it and gives the rest away, he's not exactly living in debauchery
04:01 <nsh22> tru enough
04:01 <nsh22> there is plenty of alcohol available, i just choose not to drink it
04:04 <nsh22> #armagetron.tournys
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04:08 <nsh22> hey
04:08 <Lucifer> dammit, now we've regressed back to the other problem
04:08 <nsh22> lol which is?
04:09 <BabyBug> Lucifer, did you revert all the files or just version....
04:09 <Lucifer> just version
04:09 <ivantis2> me i am guessing is the other problem
04:10 <BabyBug> Why is the IRC channel called #armagetron yet the url has armagetronad....?
04:10 <Lucifer> BabyBug: looks like the version number for the cockpit dtd got lost again, heh
04:11 <BabyBug> awwwww =( lol
04:11 <nsh22> it gets lost often?
04:12 <BabyBug> it's got lost very often in the last puckle o days ^^
04:12 <Lucifer> no, different versioning problems, heh
04:13 <Lucifer> first, I didn't know the map dtd was suffering the same problem as the cockpit, becuase the cockpit had a different problem
04:13 <Lucifer> so, it had two problems, and I fixed both of them, but thought that maps were safe (and they looked safe)
04:13 <nsh22> ok, what is a dtd. that was the first big problem i had when i tried to use my first map
04:14 <Lucifer> the other versioning problems are in the version script, and all that does is generate the release version that gets encoded in the compiled game, tarballs named after it, etc
04:14 <Lucifer> nsh22: a dtd contains the description of a syntax of xml
04:14 <Lucifer> see, xml isn't a language by itself, it's just a way to build languages of a certain type
04:14 <nsh22> oh
04:14 <Lucifer> a dtd is used to make an actual language
04:14 <nsh22> and dtd translates that into a map
04:14 <Lucifer> a program will read the dtd, and then it knows the language
04:14 <nsh22> ok i understand
04:15 <Lucifer> then it'll read the file and make sure the file is written in the language described by the dtd.  If it is, then the program understands it.
04:15 <nsh22> its like a translator basically?
04:15 <Lucifer> so your validation errors are because of that step, where the program doesn't know what you're trying to say in the file because you violated the dtd
04:15 <Lucifer> no, it's more like a dictionary
04:15 <nsh22> ok
04:16 <BabyBug> a thesaurus!
04:16 <Lucifer> but it's still more than that, because it has the added benefit of not just requiring files to be the right language, but also the right structure
04:16 <nsh22> see, when i first made a map, it used an ancient dtd (ty armabell XC) soi had to change the dtd file in the xml
04:16 <Lucifer> you could get some command line xml tools and check the validation of a map without using arma at all
04:17 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I think I fixed it, I'm building again to test, but this isn't a package build.  It's faster to test by having a regular trunk build to test ;)
04:18 <BabyBug> Lucifer, So an ETA on the package provided you fixed it now?
04:18 <Lucifer> 45 minutes or so
04:19 <nsh22> it takes that long to build (noob question i know)
04:19 <nsh22> ?
04:19 <Lucifer> nsh22: no, it takes that long to build it twice, package it once, and test it both times
04:19 <nsh22> 0.o
04:19 <nsh22> so this is for 0.3.1?
04:19 <Lucifer> first build is from scratch because I didn't happen to have a working build directory, I've been building packages
04:20 <Lucifer> the second build must be from scratch
04:20 <Lucifer> yes, I'm working on 0.3.1 right now
04:20 <BabyBug> and then my bug will be fixed in 0.3.2 \o/
04:20 <Lucifer> have some bugs that babybug found that I'm trying to fix, and she wants to be ready to test :)
04:20 <nsh22> ugh, i am best to stay away from all this jargon
04:21 <BabyBug> (you will have utf-8 for 0.3.2 right?)
04:21 <Lucifer> no promises, but we can hope ftgl gets their shit together :)
04:22 <BabyBug> hrmph
04:22 <Lucifer> also, wrtlprnft (hi there!) is probably the one to bug for that, he was the one working on it
04:22 <Lucifer> after 0.3.1, I'm going into the resource system, and then back to the sound engine
04:22 <Lucifer> and when I finish that, I'm going to start talking about 0.3.2 :)
04:22 <BabyBug> Is sounds working at all in 0.3.1?
04:22 <Lucifer> same as 0.3.0
04:22 <luke-jr> forums which require login to read are lame IMO :/
04:23 <nsh22> lol
04:23  * Lucifer completely agrees
04:23 <nsh22> like which one?
04:24 <luke-jr> I should reg on the forum just to bite him for slander
04:24 <nsh22> which site?
04:24 <Lucifer> heh
04:24 <Lucifer> he's not really worth your time :)
04:24 <Lucifer> it's ok for people to be wrong on the internet
04:24 <luke-jr> pfft, and it's even an overdue customer of mine
04:25 <Lucifer> he's not overdue, he never intended to pay to begin with
04:25 <nsh22> lol
04:25 <luke-jr> nsh22: hey, you have a server w/ him? ;)
04:25 <nsh22> code hunter
04:25 <Lucifer> hey, you should register and remind him that he never paid his bills
04:25 <nsh22> ?
04:25 <nsh22> ya but i am displeased with him
04:26 <nsh22> i realise i made a bad move
04:26 <Lucifer> just remind him politely that he still hasn't settled his bill with you
04:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: code said *low* bw/disk, which is unfounded
04:26 <luke-jr> I have no artificial limits on either..
04:26 <Lucifer> no, he said "limited"
04:26 <Lucifer> he obviously tried to imply "low"
04:26 <Lucifer> well, see, that's where if he said "limited", he's technically correct :)
04:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I have a server in UK, Texas, and Connecticut
04:27 <nsh22> luke, at the en of this month (when my server ends with code) could i use u as a host?
04:27 <Lucifer> you're limited by the laws of physics ;)
04:28 <BabyBug> What laws would they be? =)
04:28 <luke-jr> nsh22: sure, email me the info :þ
04:29 <nsh22> like what?
04:29 <luke-jr> nsh22: and if you don't mind letting me borrow your current account, I wouldn't mind seeing his interface and making sure he didn't steal mine
04:29 <nsh22> alright
04:30 <luke-jr> nsh22: geographical preference, account username, admin email, payment method, payment address, arma version, # of slots, and service start date
04:30 <nsh22> its a simple pass i use for stuff that i find questionable (te RCON pass for the cp wasnt *'ed wen i signe up)
04:30 <nsh22> ill email it to u
04:30 <luke-jr> ok
04:30 <luke-jr> thanks
04:31 <nsh22> The newest registered user is AdultDatingSingles haha
04:31 <nsh22> thats at the forums
04:32 <luke-jr> O.o
04:32 <nsh22> lol
04:34 <nsh22> where all do u host servers?
04:35 <nsh22> and ami able to change admin pass at a late date?
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04:35 <nsh22> nvm i misread sumthing
04:35 <Lucifer> you know, I think codehunter is the first genuine crook we've had here
04:36 <Lucifer> now that I think about it
04:36 <nsh22> lol
04:36 <Lucifer> I mean, we've had plenty of punks, but codehunter's a genuine crook
04:36 <nsh22> cloaket and crazy?
04:36 <Lucifer> thsoe guys are just punks
04:36 <BabyBug> who's codehunter?
04:36 <nsh22> ya, i guess they arnt after money
04:36 <Lucifer> they're troublemakers, there's no personal gain for them
04:37 <@armabot> armablah: Your Method to Our Madness « Play Fortress
04:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: mmm, think it would be possible to let me do something to claim having released 0.3.1 also? from this post, it would be a nice spit in his face ;)
04:37 <Lucifer> BabyBug: you ought to look him up on the forums ;)
04:37 <luke-jr> "We noticed that the .3 version of the server is a bit buggy and we had some issues when setting it up, So we will only be offering the stable version (. until a full release is made of the .3 beta version released by Z-Man. "
04:37 <BabyBug> #searchforums codehunter
04:37 <Lucifer> luke-jr: sure, can you try to build a windows package?  ;)
04:37 <BabyBug> darn it
04:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you forget Hyphy
04:37 <Lucifer> or better yet, fix epsy's version script
04:38 <luke-jr> uh, I don't even have Windows
04:38 <Lucifer> Hyphy didn't try to steal anything either, he was just a troublemaker
04:38 <luke-jr> Hyphy did steal from me.
04:38 <Lucifer> tried to make people mad
04:38 <luke-jr> He paid me with like 2 or 3 stolen credit cards.
04:38 <Lucifer> yeah, but that was just him being a punk
04:38 <Lucifer> he punked you out of shit
04:38 <luke-jr> federal crime, afaik
04:38 <Lucifer> well yeah, stealing is still stealing, but codehunter is more like the stereotypical con artist
04:38 <Lucifer> and he's not real good at it
04:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer, searching didn't work :P
04:39 <Lucifer> BabyBug: search by username
04:39 <Lucifer> it's either CodeHunter or Code Hunter
04:39 <Lucifer> then you can read what he's written directly :)
04:39 <BabyBug> you can't....
04:39 <Lucifer> luke-jr: anyway, yeah, it would be really awesome if someone took the version script epsy wrote and fixed and make it actually work
04:39 <BabyBug> search by username
04:39 <BabyBug> or im blind
04:40 <nsh22> luke jr:where all do u host servers?
04:40 <Lucifer> blind, I'll bet :)
04:40 <BabyBug> ><
04:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what's wrong with the old one? ;)
04:40 <Lucifer> yep, blind
04:40 <luke-jr> nsh22: Texas, Connecticut, and UK
04:40 <BabyBug> ...
04:40 <Lucifer> luke-jr: the old one works fine but doesn't work with bzr :)
04:40 <BabyBug> link! lol
04:40 <Lucifer> it generates the right version number, though
04:41 <Lucifer> then epsy decided to add bzr support and broke it
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04:41 <Lucifer> then he fixed it, and it still didn't work
04:41 <Lucifer> so he fixed it again, and it still doesn't work
04:41 <Lucifer> batch/make/version
04:41 <BabyBug> Oh Lucifer, ok im blind
04:41 <nsh22> kk i sent it
04:41 <nsh22> just tell me if you needmoe info
04:41 <Lucifer> I reverted the 0.3.1 branch back to a working version, so you'll have to do it in the trunk
04:42 <Lucifer> and if you want to take a crack at trying to get the rpm or debian packages to build....  ;)
04:42 <Lucifer> z-man used to build the generic rpm from a Gentoo installation
04:42 <nsh22> hahaha look at the profile of the newest forummember. lol
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04:43 <nsh22> some1 took the time to fill out the registration form for that.... thats sad
04:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer: hey, I can do the 0.3.1 ebuild ;)
04:45 <luke-jr> heck, I should already be doing that maybe
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04:48 <nsh22> hmmm now im a bit cautious
04:49 <nsh22> would you say that codehunter is a bit vengeful?
04:49 <BabyBug> i read and really dont see what the thing about codehunter is.....
04:50 <nsh22> codehunter is also known as vcl program
04:50  * BabyBug is still blank
04:50 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=17751&highlight=
04:50 <nsh22> i dont know what ur trying to find
04:51 <Lucifer> you don't have to get very far in that thread to see the con
04:52 <nsh22> i saw it lol
04:54 <Lucifer> and of course this thread was fun:
04:54 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=13191&highlight=
04:54 <Lucifer> but I think he took the site down, so you can't see what the fun was
04:55 <BabyBug> i see....
04:57 <Lucifer> oh no, are all of Dr Joe Tron's MS Paint cartoons gone?
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04:57  * Lucifer hopes not
04:57 <nsh22> looks like it
04:57 <BabyBug> \o/
04:57  * Lucifer thinks he should've saved them when he had the chance
04:58 <nsh22> "Not trying to wave my internet penis around." lol at joetron
05:02 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Did you actually fix the error before btw?
05:03 <Lucifer> BabyBug: no, apparently the resource.dtd file isn't getting versioned and included in the package again
05:03 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: already a reply LOL
05:03 <Lucifer> I'm working on it
05:03  * BabyBug cuddles ct|kyle 
05:03 <nsh22> lol
05:04  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
05:08 <nsh22> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:22 <nsh22> anybody here?
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05:26 <ct|kyle> no
05:26 <nsh22> lol
05:27 <GodTodd_> holy fuck...i forgot i did that paint thingie back then on that thread
05:27 <GodTodd_> heh
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05:28 <Lucifer> heh
05:28 <Lucifer> I had totally forgotten about that thread, and mostly forgotten about why I didn't like code hunter when he first showed up
05:28 <luke-jr> XD
05:28 <nsh22> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:28 <Lucifer> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th?
05:28 <nsh22> lol
05:29 <Lucifer> nsh22: use your tab completion and only say it once :)
05:29 <Lucifer> luke-jr reads his backbuffer
05:29 <GodTodd> luke, on my server app, could you chang ethe start date to satuday the 10th...of never?
05:29 <nsh22> ok
05:29 <luke-jr> so who believe CodeHunter about him not hosting?
05:29 <luke-jr> nsh22: I didn't receive the app
05:29 <nsh22> what u mean?
05:29 <nsh22> hmmm
05:29 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: I do
05:30 <Lucifer> codehunter doesn't have the technical capabilities to host a server
05:30 <luke-jr> unless it's this forum PM thing
05:30 <Lucifer> come on, he said he has "an irc", and he had a "wiki" until it got speedily deleted
05:30 <Lucifer> (yes, I can't believe I actually reread those threads)
05:30 <nsh22> ill snd u the dragonserver stuff for now and my app tomoor
05:30  * GodTodd misses DrJoeTron. :(
05:30 <luke-jr> wtf is with this retarded forum expecting me to compose posts in black on dark grey, anyhow?
05:30  * Lucifer misses DrJoeTron too.  :(
05:30 <ct|kyle> I'm sure that your hosting is much better than that other one though
05:31  * ct|kyle too
05:31 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you're at the CT forum?
05:31 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: Wild West, even worse
05:31 <nsh22> there
05:32 <nsh22> check qickly, i put in a cancellation request, itll be gone in 24 hours
05:33 <nsh22> k im goin to bed
05:33 <nsh22> night all
05:33 <Lucifer> haha, Y-Man
05:34 <ct|kyle> anyway Lucifer we are going to have a new forum sometime
05:34 <Lucifer> will it hurt my eyes as much as the current forums do?
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05:36 <ct|kyle> I wonder how well my new captcha will work
05:36 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: more :P, we have not even made a theme for it yet
05:37 <luke-jr> should I threaten legal action?
05:38 <GodTodd> gaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05:39 <GodTodd> someone should have really warned me that luke-jr posted to that thread after i lost interest in it...with an actual pic as his avatar.
05:39 <GodTodd> now i have to find a spoon to gouge my eyes out with :)
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05:40 <Lucifer> grrrr
05:42 <luke-jr> should I? :þ
05:42 <Lucifer> only threaten legal action if you're willing to take it
05:42 <Lucifer> and no, I think you should take the high road
05:43 <Lucifer> if you want to post and politely remind him he owes you money, that would be the high road :)
05:43 <Lucifer> but posting anything that looks like an attack?  Nah, I wouldn't
05:43 <ct|kyle> he already did that
05:43 <luke-jr> I told him it was hypocritical for him to ask for pre-payment when he's 2 months overdue ;p
05:44 <luke-jr> "My cancellation policy is clearly documented. Should I go dig out my chat logs from the end of December where you assured me you would be paying the overdue bills? As you have clearly stated an intent to steal service in this post, I have terminated your service early. Please remit the overdue payment as soon as possible."
05:44 <luke-jr> how's that?
05:45 <TaZ> sigh
05:45 <TaZ> How much is it?
05:45 <luke-jr> $20 ;p
05:46 <TaZ> I can pay half of it
05:46 <luke-jr> why? O.o
05:47 <TaZ> I don't want this going back and forth
05:47 <luke-jr> o.O
05:58 <Lucifer> heh
05:59 <Lucifer> at this point, TaZ, I think luke-jr's post isn't really about money (although nobody questions that code hunter should pay him)
06:00 <TaZ> If it's not about the money, then what is it about?
06:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: true enough, but don't let Code know that XD
06:01 <luke-jr> TaZ: just the principle of it all, plus the fact that he's slandering and making me look bad
06:01 <Lucifer> TaZ: and engaging in the same shady practices he's always engaged in
06:01 <Lucifer> this time, he wants your money.  Previously he wanted credit and attention
06:05 <TaZ> From my understanding, he quit paying, and you let the servers continue hosting
06:05 <TaZ> Is that what happened?
06:06 <luke-jr> except he never mentioned cancelling
06:06 <luke-jr> just neglected to pay his bill
06:07 <TaZ> Shouldn't cancelling have been automatic?
06:07 <luke-jr> of course not
06:07 <TaZ> Like paying a light bill
06:07 <luke-jr> nobody assumes cancellation
06:07 <luke-jr> ever missed your electric bill?
06:07 <TaZ> You don't pay, your lights get cut off
06:07 <luke-jr> clearly not
06:07 <TaZ> Actually no xD
06:08 <luke-jr> your lights get cut off 2 months after it's late
06:08 <TaZ> Just assuming of course
06:08 <luke-jr> and you still owe the money
06:08 <TaZ> Did you send a notice?
06:08 <TaZ> Both months?
06:09 <luke-jr> Dec 19
06:09 <luke-jr> reminding him that his bills were overdue
06:09 <TaZ> And when did he stop paying?
06:10 <luke-jr> my records show that he paid the first 3 months of service, starting 2008-02-22
06:10 <luke-jr> 2008-08-22*
06:11 <luke-jr> On Dec 25, he apologised, told me he would be paying the remainder of the bill and to cancel the service at the end of that month.
06:11 <TaZ>  So it ended November 22, 2008?
06:12 <TaZ> oo
06:12 <luke-jr> so his cancellation date is 2009-01-21
06:12 <TaZ> ok
06:12 <luke-jr> as mentioned in the post I haven't made yet, since he just demonstrated a clear intent to steal the service, I terminated it early jsut now
06:13 <TaZ> ah
06:13 <TaZ> Well if he made a promise, he should have kept it
06:13 <luke-jr> my (fairly standard) cancellation policy is well documented as well:
06:13 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=svcterms
06:13 <luke-jr> "You are required to give notice of service cancellation at least a month in advance. Cancellation is only considered in effect when we are notified: if you wait 2 months to tell us, expect to pay for those 2 months."
06:14 <Lucifer> ok, started up another autopackage build
06:14 <TaZ> Well this changes everything
06:14 <luke-jr> (note even on Dec 25 I waived the full month's notice usually required)
06:14 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I *think* I've fixed it again, heh
06:15 <TaZ> See I thought you were just hosting it to be nice or something lol
06:15 <luke-jr> hm, my policy does mention abuse as "increasing fixed bandwidth usage limits", so I suppose if he read it that could be misinterpreted to mean such limits exist
06:15 <luke-jr> but he obviously didn't read it, since he didn't cancel properly
06:16 <Lucifer> you're referring to bandwidth usage settings in the server?
06:16  * Lucifer tries to remember waht they are
06:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: oh, maybe that's why I put it in there
06:16 <Lucifer> you can enforce that
06:16 <luke-jr> I think there were a few like that I didn't understand what exactly they did :þ
06:17 <Lucifer> #settings client
06:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, in theory those are all enforced
06:17 <Lucifer> #armasettings client
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: ALLOW_ENEMIES_SAME_CLIENT: If set to 1, this allows two players that play on the same client to fight for points with each other. (default: 0) || CLIENT_PORT: Port we try to connect to (default: 4534) || CYCLE_AVOID_OLDCLIENT_BAD_SYNC: If set to 1, old clients will not get sync messages in situations that are known to confuse them (default: 0) || LAG_OFFSET_CLIENT: Extra amount of lag (2 more messages)
06:17 <luke-jr> I have a patch that reads a config file and caps MAX_CLIENTS too
06:17 <Lucifer> #more
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: compensation, determined by the client. (default: 0) || MAX_CLIENTS: Maximum number of network clients to accept (default: 16) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the (1 more message)
06:17 <Lucifer> #more
06:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: server is full (default: 4) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
06:17 <luke-jr> that part of the policy is referring to bypassing stuff
06:17 <Lucifer> hmmm, there's a setting that adjusts actual bandwidth usage
06:19 <TaZ> Well I hope Code does the right thing
06:19 <TaZ> I'm going to bed, night.
06:19 <luke-jr> …
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06:20 <Lucifer> oh right
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: CAMERA_SMART_CENTER_MAX_LOOKAHEAD: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CONSOLE_ROWS_MAX: Number of lines of console output when scrolling back (default: 19) || CYCLE_MAX_REFCOUNT: Maximum allowed reference count on cycles before they self destruct. This setting is to protect against performance related DOS attacks. (default: 30000) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX: If the cycle_width conditions are (7 more messages)
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX_IN
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: MAX_IN_RATE: Maximum network input rate (default: 8)
06:20 <Lucifer> #armasettings MAX_OUT
06:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: MAX_OUT_RATE: Maximum network output rate (default: 8)
06:20 <luke-jr> yeah
06:20 <luke-jr> I think I #ifdef'd those out
06:21 <Lucifer> so you're running custom builds, then?
06:22 <luke-jr> slightly modified
06:22 <Lucifer> heh, you should create a bzr branch for the mods :)
06:22 <Lucifer> put them out where people can see them ;)
06:22 <luke-jr> they're pretty specific :þ
06:23 <luke-jr> patch is 230 lines
06:23 <luke-jr> basically just a lot of #ifndef HOSTED
06:24 <luke-jr> and a --enable-hosted configure option
06:24 <luke-jr> and a function to restrict MAX_CLIENTS, and set the (not configurable) SERVER_IP and SERVER_POOOOOORT
06:24 <luke-jr> PORT*
06:25 <luke-jr> based on my service layer config file
06:25 <Lucifer> yeah, well, it's up to you
06:25 <Lucifer> personally, if I thought people should have the source to web apps, I'd be the first to offer source to servers I run ;)
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06:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: FWIW, only 0.2.8 alphas are dated
06:30 <luke-jr> 0.3 trunk was always Svn rev numbers
06:31 <luke-jr> why not get the Ubuntu devs to make the Ubuntu pkgs?
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06:39 <Lucifer> 0.3 trunk is now dated too, because of how branches and merges work
06:40 <luke-jr> o.o
06:40 <luke-jr> CodeHunter just sent me $40?
06:40 <Lucifer> no way
06:40 <luke-jr> is it a trap?
06:41 <Lucifer> nah
06:41 -!- DrJoeTron [n=Crayze4S@adsl-75-57-142-104.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
06:41 <Lucifer> I suspect that he doesn't *want* to be a used car salesman, that's just what he is
06:41 <DrJoeTron> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
06:41 <luke-jr> omfg DrJoeTron listened!
06:41 <Lucifer> holy shit, is that really joe?
06:41 <DrJoeTron> hey hi
06:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: he's on Google Talk all the time
06:41 <Lucifer> prove you're the real DrJoeTron (hi there!) and draw a ms paint cartoon
06:41 <luke-jr> so I pointed him at the thread
06:41 <luke-jr> LOL
06:41 <DrJoeTron> <luke-jr> Lucifer: he's on Google Talk all the time <- p.much
06:42 <DrJoeTron> how've you been :)
06:42 <Lucifer> heh, good, and you?
06:43 <DrJoeTron> hangin in there, school and work
06:43  * luke-jr is waiting for CodeHunter to post/say something before he accepts.
06:43 <luke-jr> this is just too suspicious
06:43 <DrJoeTron> huh?
06:43 <luke-jr> why would he send me $40 when he was just fighting to not send me $20?
06:43 <GodTodd> school and work are no excuse for neglecting a fucking important irc channel, you bloody tampon. :D
06:43  * luke-jr suspects a plot to PayPal-dispute
06:44 <DrJoeTron> <3
06:44 <Lucifer> haha GodTodd (hi there!)
06:44 <DrJoeTron> oh cool freenode removed my user name
06:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: that's some insult there…
06:44 <DrJoeTron> shows the last time i signed on
06:44 <Lucifer> ok, I'm gonna tag and put up new alpha builds for 0.3.1
06:44 <luke-jr> bzr has tags⁇
06:44 <Lucifer> yep, bzr has tags
06:45 <GodTodd> that reminds me, though, i have to brave the advisement office at UTD tomorrow :/
06:45 <Lucifer> grrr, someone pushed to 0.3.1 when I wasn't looking
06:46 <GodTodd> yeah, sorry bout that ;)
06:46 <luke-jr> wtf, GodTodd codes Armagetron?
06:46 <DrJoeTron> has any work been done on this here game
06:46 <Lucifer> luke-jr: everyone has bzr write access except you ;)
06:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: what do you think of http://www.lagtest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40169
06:46 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: yes, as a matter of fact....
06:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer: even DrJoeTron?
06:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: MS Paint the cycle model!
06:46 <DrJoeTron> oh, brb logging in
06:47 <Lucifer> great, now I have to remove the tag and test again
06:47 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr what forum is that
06:47 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: dunno, some annoying forum
06:48 <DrJoeTron> oh, thanks for the link then
06:48 <luke-jr> I blame wrtlprnft for some unknown reason.
06:48 <GodTodd> i don't join any forum that would have me as a member
06:49 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron, you should make a MS Paint forum tho
06:49 <GodTodd> that'd roxxorz
06:49 <Lucifer> we need to start some stupid fight on the forums so that DrJoeTron (hi there!) can hijack it with a cartoon
06:50 <DrJoeTron> ahhh i got kinda sick of trollin' the arma boards
06:50 <Lucifer> awwwwww
06:51 <Lucifer> hey, do you still have all the ms paint cartoons you drew?
06:51 <Lucifer> you linked them to somewhere from the forums, and they're all gone now
06:51 <luke-jr> trolling⁇
06:51 <luke-jr> you mean you didn't enjoy those posts as much as we did?
06:52 <GodTodd> i should troll the forums...it's even better since i play once every decade or so
06:52 <GodTodd> :D
06:52 <Lucifer> hey, we're in a new decade since
06:52 <luke-jr> you do actually play?
06:52 <Lucifer> er, wait, no we're not, it's only 09
06:53 <luke-jr> I wonder if I've spent more time coding or playing…
06:53 <Lucifer> I think I've spent the most time dealing with epsy's bugs ;)
06:53 <GodTodd> i've not played since i got this laptop...but, yeah, i play once in a while
06:53 <luke-jr> XD
06:53 <Lucifer> if make distcheck passes, I'm tagging again and pushing
06:54 <GodTodd> push it
06:54 <GodTodd> push it real good
06:54 <Lucifer> I'm gonna push it right over to DrJoeTron (hi there!) to draw us an MS Paint cartoon
06:54 <luke-jr> ooooh
06:54 <luke-jr> oooh
06:54 <Lucifer> hey joe, want to contribute a splash screen for 0.3.1?  ;)
06:54 <luke-jr> Lucifer: get DrJoeTron to draw the title page for 0.3.1!
06:54 <GodTodd> i think that made luke-jr cum
06:54 <luke-jr> haha
06:55 <DrJoeTron> woah what?
06:55 <luke-jr> looks like Lucifer got the same idea at the same time
06:55 <luke-jr> XD
06:55 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: that pic when you start the game… you draw the new one
06:55 <luke-jr> :D
06:55 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: I don't mean to scare you, but luke-jr and I just had the same thought at the same time
06:55 <DrJoeTron> but all i do is draw doodles in mspaint :T
06:55 <luke-jr> AND THEY'RE AWESOME
06:55 <GodTodd> ITZ DA APOCALIPSE!!!!111!!1!!1
06:55 <Lucifer> man
06:56 <Lucifer> don't tell anybody, just send it along privately and I'll sneak it into the tarball
06:56 <luke-jr> what? put it in bzr
06:56 <Lucifer> sure, after the release
06:57 <luke-jr> is someone going to have a problem with a little humour in a 0.3 release?
06:57 <Lucifer> I'll commit it locally, then push right after I release
06:57 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer sure, i'll get to it when i can
06:57 <DrJoeTron> give me a few minutes
06:57 <Lucifer> I don't think anybody will complain, I'd just like to surprise a few people ;)
06:57 <luke-jr> good enough
06:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: so we need to wipe the logs here?
06:57 <GodTodd> and our asses probably
06:58 <Lucifer> come on, 0.3.1 has a gcc -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway check in configure, and -DLUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS
06:58 <luke-jr> XD
06:58 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yeah, but anybody who's here can see it anyway
06:58 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: for added surprise, draw a second one for and email it to z-man, ask him to wait until the last possible moment to put it in there
06:59 <Lucifer> if that doesn't motivate him to release, nothing will :/
06:59 <luke-jr> ROFL
06:59 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:00  * luke-jr would not personally go along with putting it in a stable release, but who knows what z-man will do ;p
07:00 <GodTodd> motherfucker it's cold in here :(
07:00 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
07:00 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 38.8°F (12:00 AM CST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising).
07:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I still think LUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS needs to be a run-time remote-triggerable option
07:00 <Lucifer> oh come on, if DrJoeTron (hi there!) never comes back, we'll have a little memorial for him
07:00 <luke-jr> with some kind of hidden DISABLE_ALWAYS_WINS to "fix" it
07:00 <Lucifer> no, that should just make it print "Round Winner: Disable"
07:01 <Lucifer> I have to admit the pranking possibilities are tempting
07:03  * Lizz pranks loocceeee
07:03 <Lucifer> hey, when did she get here?
07:03 <Lizz> awhile ago.. how u be?
07:03 <Lucifer> heh, doing good
07:03 <Lizz> :) good to hear
07:04 <Lucifer> you?
07:04 <Lizz> mm.. nothing i wanna get into in main .. u know how it goes
07:04 <luke-jr> Lizz: if you heard anything, stfu and keep it quiet
07:04 <Lucifer> heh
07:04 <Lizz> oh honey i always do
07:04 <luke-jr> <.<
07:05 <Lizz> mwah luke babeh!
07:05 <Lucifer> she's the queen of quiet
07:05 <Lucifer> the sultan of silence
07:05 <Lucifer> the diva of don't-talk
07:05 <Lizz> the ho of horror
07:05 <Lucifer> sure you're not the hor of horror?
07:05  * Lucifer ducks
07:06 <Lizz> maybe.. wanna find out? come to my dungeon ;)
07:06 <Lucifer> heh
07:06 <Lizz> :P
07:06 <Lucifer> oh hell, I'm not married anymore
07:06 <Lizz> O.o
07:06 <Lizz> really? o.O
07:06 <Lizz> im sry
07:07 <Lucifer> eh?  it's really more congratulations than condolences
07:07 <Lucifer> really
07:07 <Lizz> k.. well.. we are in same boat i guess >.>
07:07 <luke-jr> is it sinking?
07:07 <Lizz> nope.. not now
07:08 <Lucifer> it's a lifeboat, the other ship is sinking and we've left it?
07:08 <Lizz> yup
07:09 <Lizz> SS Marriage.. thats the sinking ship
07:09 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:09  * Lizz licks Joe babeh
07:09 <luke-jr> I'm still grasping at corks to plug the holes
07:09 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer give me a bit and i'll try and make the splash screens
07:09 <Lizz> fuck the holes instead luke
07:09 <Lucifer> hey DrJoeTron (hi there!) , tell us you've had luck with love ;)
07:10 <DrJoeTron> it was with GodTodd
07:10 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: sure.  :)  You want to email them to me?
07:10 <DrJoeTron> etc
07:10 <luke-jr> ………..
07:10 <DrJoeTron> whatever will work
07:10 <DrJoeTron> email will be fine
07:10 <luke-jr> CC me!
07:11 <Lizz> u still eating our children Joe?
07:11 <DrJoeTron> prolly
07:11 <Lizz> good
07:11 <Lucifer> no, don't CC luke!
07:11 <Lucifer> make him wait until the actual release ;)
07:11 <GodTodd> who was with me?
07:11 <Lucifer> you remember my email address?
07:11 <DrJoeTron> you can PM me it if you'd like (nope)
07:13 <GodTodd> #quote get 83
07:13 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #83: "<Lizmatic> wtfzomg ady-lucifer and lucifer aren't the same guys?! !!!?!"" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:57 PM, December 16, 2008)
07:13 <GodTodd> errr
07:13 <GodTodd> #quote get 86
07:13 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #86: "<luke-jr> I'm still grasping at corks to plug the holes" (added by GodTodd at 07:12 AM, January 07, 2009)
07:13 <Lucifer> #quote get 85
07:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #85: "i spelled sumthing wrong -nsh22" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:06 AM, January 07, 2009)
07:13 <Lucifer> hey, quote 83 was the last one in 2008
07:14 <GodTodd> #quote get 84
07:14 <@armabot> GodTodd: Quote #84: "<cusco> #quote search *cusco*  <armabot> cusco: No matching quotes were found." (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:54 PM, December 19, 2008)
07:14 <GodTodd> nope
07:14 <GodTodd> that one was
07:14 <Lucifer> oh, heh
07:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer: -.-
07:15 <GodTodd> #whoami
07:15 <@armabot> GodTodd: GodTodd
07:15 <Lucifer> #whoareyou
07:15 <@armabot> Lucifer: What do you think?
07:16 <GodTodd> #whythefuckamiprocrastinatingthischapter
07:16 <GodTodd> heh
07:16 <DrJoeTron> nerd
07:16 <Lucifer> #nerd
07:17 <Lucifer> hmm, what's the variable for armabot to say the user's name?
07:17 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron, don't talk that way about yourself
07:17 <GodTodd> $who?
07:17 <luke-jr> #echo [whoami]
07:17 <@armabot> Luke-Jr
07:17 <Lucifer> #nerd
07:17 <@armabot> Lucifer: I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.
07:17 <luke-jr> #help nerd
07:17 <@armabot> luke-jr: (nerd <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $nick: I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.".
07:18 <DrJoeTron> alright I gotta run, good seeing you guys again :)
07:18 <DrJoeTron> and i'll see what I can do for a splash screen
07:18 <Lucifer> hey, yeah, don't stay away too long man ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> cya joe
07:18 <Lucifer> we really do miss you around here :)
07:18 <DrJoeTron> you set young men's hearts a flutter
07:18 <Lucifer> thank you, but why can't I set lizz's heart a flutter?
07:19 <DrJoeTron> ~shrug~ try harder
07:19 <GodTodd> or try being harder
07:19 <GodTodd> :D
07:19 <DrJoeTron> ^5
07:19 <Lucifer> 5^
07:19 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:19 <DrJoeTron> see ya guys
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07:19 <Lucifer> bye
07:20 <Lucifer> #m epsy hey, your version script needs to find bzr tags.  Does it?
07:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
07:31 <ct|kyle> #m guru3 AdultDatingSingles << spammer just got into the forums
07:31 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
07:44 <luke-jr> guru3: Lucifer needs a singles forum section
07:51 <Lucifer> guru3: luke-jr seems to be developing a sense of humor, can you post a news item about it?
07:52 <ct|kyle> I was thinking we should have waited for the spam for Lucifer
07:53 <luke-jr> >_<
07:54 <ct|kyle> I had the idiot tests down on CT's forms for a few hours and that registered there
07:54 <ct|kyle> about a half hour i mean
07:55 <Lucifer> that was obviously a freudian slip on your part
07:55 <ct|kyle> I took it down to put up my hack i forked of oh your idea
07:56 <Lucifer> my idea?  what was my idea?
07:56 <ct|kyle> RM oh
07:56 <luke-jr> oooh, good idea for a captcha type thing
07:56 <luke-jr> "Click the image drawn by Dr. Joe Tron"
07:56 <ct|kyle> the math capcha
07:56 <Lucifer> that was my idea?
07:56 <ct|kyle> i thought so
07:57 <ct|kyle> you probably forked it off of someone else
07:59 <Lucifer> I fear you are crediting me with an idea I didn't ahve
07:59 <Lucifer> but thanks :)
08:00 <Lucifer> I've been pushing recaptcha since I first saw it some years ago
08:01 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: ya, it was guru3
08:01 <ct|kyle> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191587#191587
08:02 <ct|kyle> only 1.24 years later i implement it into CT's forums, not bad :P
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08:08 <Lucifer> BabyBug: new autopackages on the forums
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08:55 <GodTodd> hrmm...won't let me compile 0.3.0
08:55 <GodTodd> heh
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09:07 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r759 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r758 Made sortresources also rewrite any references to resource.d... || [0.3.1] r757 Maps had a similar problem to cockpits where the dtd was imp... || [0.3.1] r756 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r755 Build work || [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets list
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09:49 <Lucifer> GodTodd: that's no surprise, 0.3.0 is old enough that it may not build on a new compiler, heh
10:08 <guru3> has anyone said that they're doing the os x builds yet?
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10:19 <Lucifer> I talked to nemo earlier today about it
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10:53 <Lizmatic> does anyone have apparitions msn/aim?
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11:22 <z-man> Begone, vile fiend!
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12:08 <z-man> Odd, where did my compilation fixes go?
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12:16 <z-man> Ah, Lucifer squashed them. Bad Lucifer!
12:16 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r760 Merging own work. || [0.3.1] Corrected uninstall script location.... || [0.3.1] Removing dead script parts....
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12:33 <z-man> Oh great, epsy's improved version script also got squashed.
12:41 <PinkTomato> I can't compile win 0.3.
12:41 <PinkTomato> 1, undefined reference to st_PrograName, so probably erlated :)
12:43 <z-man> Possibly.
13:02 <z-man> PinkTomato: ah, no. You need to add tVersion.cpp to the project file.
13:02 <z-man> and have a tTrueVersion.h file generated. It can be empty.
13:04  * z-man awaits how bazaarmagetron handles all the merging mess happening on trunk/0.3.1
13:07 <PinkTomato> z-man: update_version makes a version.h ?
13:08 <PinkTomato> update_version.bat*
13:08 <z-man> I suppose so, I haven't looked at it in a while, but it surely isn't adapted yet to epsy's new stuff.
13:08 <PinkTomato> Oh I see :)
13:09 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8759 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. . minor_version win32/README.txt): dave@davefancella.com: Hopefully converted line endings to DOS line endings
13:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8760 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. win32/makedist.bat): dave@davefancella.com: Hopefully fixed line endings in this file too
13:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8761 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (17 files in 8 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Added camview, from voodoo
13:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8762 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. AUTHORS): dave@davefancella.com: Credited voodoo for camview
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13:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8764 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eCamera.cpp src/tron/gGame.cpp): dave@davefancella.com: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview.
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13:19 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r764 Restored version script; it too got squashed by accident.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r763 Added ylwrap to ignore list.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r762 Undid accidental copy/paste from root Makefile.am. Whoops.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r761 Redone warning fixes; Lucifer squashed them in his merge.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r760 Merging own work. || [trunk-armagetrona
13:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8765 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (23 files in 8 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
13:21 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8766 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac minor_version): dave@davefancella.com: Build work
13:22 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8767 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac src/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
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13:24 <z-man> Heh, fun :) 0.3.1 basically got copied over to the trunk.
13:24 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8769 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Made sortresources also rewrite any references to resource.dtd to the current version
13:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8770 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am src/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Merged from trunk
13:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8771 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.am Makefile.manual src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Merging own work.
13:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8772 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/cockpit/cCamview.cpp): Manuel Moos: Redone warning fixes; Lucifer squashed them in his merge.
13:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8773 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Undid accidental copy/paste from root Makefile.am. Whoops.
13:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8774 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. .bzrignore): Manuel Moos: Added ylwrap to ignore list.
13:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8775 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. batch/make/version): Manuel Moos: Restored version script; it too got squashed by accident.
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14:34 <TaZ> Are you happy now, Luke-jr? :P
14:51 <PinkTomato> why might luke-jr be relatively happier now than earlier, taz?
14:54 <PinkTomato> #si ladle 2
14:54 <@armabot> PinkTomato: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle 2” at the moment, sorry.
14:54 <PinkTomato> TaZ: like fortress?
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15:04 <TaZ> Because code payed him $40 for his late payments
15:05 <TaZ> I'm not a big fan of fortress, but I play it
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15:10 <PinkTomato> TaZ: I think luke-jr is suspicious of it
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16:06 <luke-jr> TaZ: yeah, code sent me $40 but didn't say anything or such… so now I'm suspicious as to why he sent it :þ
16:06 <luke-jr> did he change his mind, and feel $20 extra was appropriate for a late fee or something? or is he waiting for me to accept it so he can paypal-dispute it?
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17:15 <Concord> team_nonameyet
17:20 <PinkTomato> Hello Concord :)
17:20 <Concord> hiya
17:26 <madmax> #tea
17:26 <@armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): ( (P4@crazy-tronners.com), Ct_Conkord (Concord@ct), voxx1
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17:31 <z-man> Cool, I think I can get us a new trunk bzr branch with history going all the way back.
17:32 <luke-jr> z-man: without breaking the existing trunk bzr checkouts?
17:32 <z-man> No, but since there's no active hack branches going off from there, that's not too much of a trouble.
17:33 <z-man> It would be for 0.2.8, obviously.
17:33 <luke-jr> eh?
17:33 <z-man> Although a redone branch would have the advantage of being recognized a true branch going out from the trunk and not a totally different branch like it is now.
17:33 <luke-jr> I'd still suggest waiting until bzr-svn supports copies at least
17:34 <z-man> You and your copies.
17:34 <luke-jr> :þ
17:34 <z-man> Do we even have single file coplies in our svn repository?
17:35 <z-man> as far as I can tell, those coplies we have are branching or tagging copies, bzr-svn handles those fine (interprets them as branches).
17:35 <luke-jr> pretty sure, yes
17:35 <z-man> Or of course moving stuff about, which I HOPE will now be properly recognized.
17:35 <luke-jr> moving stuff about isn't supported anymore than copying is
17:36 <luke-jr> delete + add in bzr
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17:36 <luke-jr> losing all the history
17:36 <z-man> Hmm, there may be a chance that bzr-svn could translate such moves as bzr moves.
17:37 <luke-jr> bzr doesn't have moves afaik
17:37 <z-man> It does.
17:37 <luke-jr> O.o
17:37 <luke-jr> maybe I read some old docs
17:37 <z-man> maybe.
17:37 <z-man> It doesn't have copies, that's true.
17:43 <z-man> about halfway through
17:44 <luke-jr> ?
17:44 <z-man> with the new trunk test branch
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17:52 <z-man> Hmm. You're right. A "svn mv" isn't translated to a "bzr mv" by bzr-svn at the moment, even though it could. It doesn't destroy history, but it adds nasty gaps, making "bzr blame" not work correctly.
17:53 <z-man> However, the longer we wait, the more bzr merges done will get lost, because they can't be mapped to svn correctly.
17:53 <z-man> Well, guess I'll have a look at the bzr-svn source :)
17:53 <luke-jr> err, it won't let you mix the two?
17:53 <z-man> mix what?
17:54 <luke-jr> Svn and Bzr repos
17:54 <z-man> It does, but by the nature, the translation isn't perfect.
17:54 <z-man> bzr's merges contain far more metadata than svn's merges.
17:54 <luke-jr> right, but I mean
17:54 <luke-jr> for bzr commits, use them from bzr repo
17:55 <luke-jr> only convert svn when it's a svn commit
17:55 <z-man> That may be possible, but difficult.
17:55 <z-man> Typically, whenever one changes bzr-svn's translation, it will consider old converted branches diverged.
18:05 <BabyBug> lmao
18:05 <guru3> what?
18:05 <z-man> It worked :)
18:06 <BabyBug> lol guru3 shhhhh :P
18:06  * guru3 furrows brow
18:06 <z-man> I now have a bzr trunk branch going back all the way to my initial CVS commit :)
18:06 <guru3> :o cool
18:06 <guru3> but to be honest, bzr confuses me a bit
18:07 <z-man> Then just use checkouts and pretend it's svn :)
18:07 <guru3> i haven't worked out the whole difference between pull, checkout and whatever else there is
18:08 <guru3> i hope the webhost has bzr installed
18:08 <z-man> Also, there seems to be a way to put the bzr metadata into svn revprops
18:09 <guru3> they don't :<
18:09 <z-man> which would mean we can keep the current trunk metadata for the new trunk.
18:09 <guru3> that sounds good
18:09 <z-man> I think. They don't say which metadata is saved.
18:09 <guru3> i like the idea of keeping the history
18:10 <z-man> luke-jr pointed out a valid problem with file moves, though. bzr-svn doesn't translate them properly.
18:10  * z-man really goes source diving
18:10 <guru3> :D
18:10 <guru3> i haven't really done much lately
18:10 <guru3> but the online server browser is up again!
18:10 <guru3> even if it doesn't do special characters properly :/
18:10 <guru3> i think there's something with my server and hating utf-8
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18:14 <luke-jr> XD
18:14 <guru3> irc supports it
18:14 <guru3> why can't php
18:15 <luke-jr> actually, IRC does not support UTF-8
18:15 <luke-jr> are you sending the header with PHP?
18:15 <guru3> i should clarify, screen, and irssi suppor utf-8
18:16 <luke-jr> ☺
18:16 <guru3> it's not a problem on the web side, the php running in cron
18:16 <luke-jr> uh
18:16 <guru3> that loads it into a db
18:16 <luke-jr> guru3: the webserver needs to know it's UTF-8 too
18:16 <guru3> that bit doesn't work right
18:16 <luke-jr> oh
18:16 <guru3> it does
18:16 <guru3> the entire site has been utf8 for a while
18:16 <guru3> it's set in the html headers
18:17 <luke-jr> is the new server browser using wrtl's XML thing?
18:17 <luke-jr> HTTP headers trump HTML headers
18:17 <guru3> it's using his serverinfo.php
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18:18 <guru3> but i wrote the loop that does all the pinging to work with the database format that the site used to use
18:20 <luke-jr> https://answers.launchpad.net/yandere/+question/56611
18:22 <z-man> Bah. storing the bzr metadata is not implemented yet in bzr 1.3
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18:22  * z-man fetches something more current
18:22 <Concord> hi k-yo come to cafe
18:22 <guru3> and grrr
18:22 <guru3> php hell
18:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: guru3 * r8776 /www/mainsite/includes/header.php: utf8 in html header
18:29 <guru3> ok this bothers me
18:30 <guru3> the hex is correct
18:30 <guru3> the Fortress Cafe e with the accent according to hexeditor is E9
18:30 <guru3> which is the correct hex for utf8
18:30 <guru3> so why doesn't it show up right
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18:32 <TaZ> No luke-jr. He knew what he did was wrong, so he payed you. I don't know why he payed 20$ extra, but it would be good to give it back seeing as he has a new baby girl and family to take care of
18:36 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r765 The -R flag for “date” is a GNU extension. Make an RCF822 da...
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18:48 <FoFo> hello everyone
18:48 <guru3> hi
18:49 <BabyBug> hiho
18:49 <@armabot> lpbugs: [314784] batch/make/version is broken
18:55 <guru3> i think i've hunted down the problem
19:01 <guru3> hurrah the server list does utf-8 right now
19:01 <BabyBug> horrah for guru3 \o/
19:02 <guru3> http://armagetronad.net/servers.php <-- it werx! :D
19:03 <ct|kyle> guru3: nice :)
19:03 <guru3> now to get the shit on the side back
19:05 <K-Yo> .tea
19:05 <K-Yo> #tea
19:05 <@armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): -»|appa, -»|freako, <<~luAp~>>, AshitakA, Ct_Conkord
19:06 <ct|kyle> you should add my capcha to forum registration. http://crazy-tronners.com/numgentest3.php
19:07 <guru3> "Would you beleive it? 112 servers showing online!"
19:07 <guru3> that minus looks like an equals
19:07 <K-Yo> guru3, wow
19:07 <K-Yo> guru3, do you know: http://ops.warrock.net/
19:07 <K-Yo> taht's what I hope to see in arma in few years :P
19:07 <K-Yo> but still huge work to do :P
19:08 <guru3> there was something close to that once
19:08 <guru3> but arma wasn't ready for it yet
19:08 <guru3> and it's been lost :/
19:08 <K-Yo> incredible teams/clans/players system
19:08 <ct|kyle> guru3: that is not too hard to take out the second line
19:08 <guru3> i really like my technicolor captcha
19:09 <ct|kyle> where is that?
19:09 <@armabot> armablah: Viewing Pleasure
19:10 <guru3> finding it...
19:11 <guru3> argh the site it's on is broken -_-
19:11 <ct|kyle> heh
19:19 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
19:23 <K-Yo> #apropos armab
19:23 <@armabot> K-Yo: armablah
19:23 <K-Yo> #help armablah
19:23 <@armabot> K-Yo: (armablah [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armablah at the RSS feed <http://www.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?as_q=&hl=en&ctz=-60&c2coff=1&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=a&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2008&lr=lang_en&safe=active&scoring=d&q=armagetron+OR+armagetronad&ie=utf-8&num=10&output=rss>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns (1 more message)
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19:39 <TaZ> epsy
19:46 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
19:46 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 28.6°F (1:46 PM EST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Falling).
19:55  * BabyBug cuddles ct|kyle 
19:55  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
19:55 <BabyBug> What ever happened to you not cuddling me again? :P
19:56 -!- Lizmatic [n=Lizmatic@78-27-12-206.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #armagetron
19:56 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: I'm just fake cuddling you, :P
19:56 <BabyBug> ><
20:01 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: LIAR
20:02 <Lizmatic> ct|kyle: good, then i'll wont have to murder you
20:13 <FoFo> lizlizliz
20:13 <FoFo> u r here?
20:14 <luke-jr> http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/your-method-to-our-madness/
20:14 <luke-jr> hey
20:14 <luke-jr> I want glowing walls!
20:15 <Concord> lol
20:17 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@43.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
20:17 <Concord> hi
20:17 <MrBougo> hello
20:18 <luke-jr> MrBougo: di
20:18 <MrBougo> luke-jr: uh
20:18 <MrBougo> the roman number?
20:18 <MrBougo> the webradio?
20:24 <AshitakA>  walls on fire, you get it when you grind hard enough...
20:24 <luke-jr> omfg that would be sweet
20:25 <AshitakA>  just imagine
20:25 <luke-jr> I imagine when you hit 100 speed
20:25 <luke-jr> and you're close to a wall
20:25 <luke-jr> it catches fire
20:25 <Lizmatic> FoFo, I'm here
20:25 <luke-jr> which can spread to other nearby walls
20:25 <luke-jr> but eventually burns out
20:25 <luke-jr> and you die if you drive into the fire
20:26 <AshitakA>  yes or if you get anperfect edge grind
20:26 <TaZ> aya
20:26 <TaZ> Thanks luke-jr :)
20:26 <luke-jr> ?
20:26 <AshitakA>  like no space between walls
20:26 <luke-jr> AshitakA: there is always space
20:27 <AshitakA>  but sometimes its impossible to drive between
20:27 <Concord> only if cycle_rubber_minidistance is set >0
20:28 <AshitakA>  it depends on the grind
20:28 <Concord> well yeah that too :)
20:29 <AshitakA> concord you come to the match?
20:30 <Concord> yeah!
20:30 <AshitakA>  ok see you there
20:30 <Concord> =}
20:31 <TaZ> I need to transfer a huge file to someone (around 6 GBs), which would probably  be the fastest way to transfer it
20:31 <TaZ> ?
20:32 <luke-jr> TaZ: where?
20:32 <Concord> flashdrive :)
20:32 <luke-jr> just one person?
20:32 <TaZ> yea
20:32 <TaZ> No
20:32 <luke-jr> UDP
20:32 <TaZ> they live far away
20:32 <luke-jr> then rsync ☺
20:32 <luke-jr> actually no
20:33 <luke-jr> cut it into maybe 100 MB/file
20:33 <luke-jr> then UDP send each
20:33 <luke-jr> then MD5 check
20:33 <TaZ> ok
20:33 <TaZ> is that the fastest though?
20:33 <luke-jr> in theory, but it would be slow cuz you're doing it XD
20:33 <TaZ> -_-
20:34 <luke-jr> taking human time into account, the fastest way would probably be running a webserver and a downloader than can resume
20:34 <TaZ> I really dont feel like cutting such a big file down
20:34 <luke-jr> actually
20:34 <luke-jr> TaZ: what is your upload speed?
20:34 <TaZ> hmm let me check
20:34 <Concord> yeah go make freehostia account and upload it there or w/e
20:34 <Concord> idk, i'll shut up
20:34 <luke-jr> Concord: wtf, no
20:35 <luke-jr> ok TaZ do this
20:35 <luke-jr> split it in 2 pieces
20:35 <luke-jr> burn each to a DVD+R
20:35 <luke-jr> hop on a plane
20:35 <luke-jr> put them in the PC and recombine
20:35 <luke-jr> that's probably fastest
20:35 <TaZ> upload iss 400k
20:35 <luke-jr> yeah, use a plane
20:36 <TaZ> Online luke-jr -_
20:36 <luke-jr> -.-
20:37 <TaZ> That doesn't mean t stop throwing out ideas
20:39 <TaZ> what about MSN? xD
20:39 <Concord> put it in a flash drive and mail it
20:39 <Concord> or dvd+r or w/e
20:40 <TaZ> It needs to be delivered like..today
20:40 <epsy> ct|kyle, I can't login on your servers
20:40 <Concord> then i'd say you're in trouble
20:43 <ct|kyle> epsy: what one?
20:43 <epsy> @ls epsy
20:43 <teabot> epsy: epsy¦×¦ seems to be on CT Fortress Server - |x| vs. Random Team - Please do NOT join right now.
20:44 <ct|kyle> epsy: i think binary needs updated
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21:07 <@armabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress || Crazy Tronner’s Wild Fortress « Play Fortress || Tron for Peace
21:12 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron || Viewing Pleasure || Armagetron and earlier and Armagetron A
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21:43 <nsh22> hey
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21:46 <nsh22> hey
21:46 <nsh22> #weather barrie
21:46 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Barrie Tall Oaks West End, Barrie, Ontario is 21.9°F (3:43 PM EST on January 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 15.8°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Steady).
21:47 <nsh22> #g 22F in C
21:47 <@armabot> nsh22: 22 degrees Fahrenheit = -5.55555556 degrees Celsius
21:47 <nsh22> #traffic
21:49 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has joined #armagetron
21:49 <K-Yo> emmy_arma, come CT fort now ;)
21:50 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5aca067a.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
21:55 <nsh22> hey pink, my server is working
21:55 <PinkTomato> I thought it was working :)
21:55 <PinkTomato> ?
21:55 <nsh22> well, the shoting wasnt, but now it is
21:56 <epsy> "Hey it works!" "I thought it was working :S"
21:56 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
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22:19 <nsh22> hey concord
22:20 <Concord> oh hey nsh22
22:20 <Concord> I'm going to be working on school work until around 5:30, then maybe dinner, but tonight definitely
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22:25 <nsh22> kk, btw its neal
22:25 <Concord> yeah I figured by the name ^^ :D
22:25 <nsh22> :{'
22:25 <nsh22> :P*
22:26 <nsh22> do you have a teamspeak?
22:27 <TaZ> I do haha
22:27 <Concord> no, i'll leave this open tho
22:27 <nsh22> we can use mine
22:27 <nsh22> or do you not have teamspeak at all?
22:28 <TaZ> Anyone know the best program to cut files into segments on a mac
22:28 <TaZ> ?
22:28 <Concord> i could install, but I don't have a mic, so. . .
22:28 <nsh22> oh ok
22:28 <TaZ> oh its neal haha
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22:28 <TaZ> hey neal
22:28 <nsh22> haha lol
22:28 <Concord> @g cutting files into segments on a mac program free
22:28 <Concord> hey 2020
22:28 <teabot> Concord: http://www.rocketdownload.com/software/cut-mpeg.html - Cut Mpeg Free Downloads - Mpeg Splitter splits MPEG file into ...
22:28 <nsh22> <==== is a noob at programiong/developing
22:28 <davidpinto> hey
22:28 <davidpinto> hehehe
22:28 <Concord> LOL!
22:28 <davidpinto> not sure how to get my nickname
22:29 <TaZ> I mean the best program from experience
22:29 -!- davidpinto is now known as i2020
22:29 <TaZ> You making a server neal?
22:29 <i2020> wow
22:29 <nsh22> ya, i ended mine with dragonserver
22:29 <i2020> i remembered the password!
22:29 <nsh22> i m going with luke jr
22:30 <i2020> this is as close to a meeting as well get, Concord
22:30 <TaZ> oo nice
22:30 <TaZ> what happened to dragonmaster's servers?
22:30 <Concord> yeah, unless i buy a microphone,
22:30 <nsh22> i dont liek it (i think the install went bad) it wouldnt load my maps
22:31 <nsh22> and i found sum stuff about code hunter
22:31 <TaZ> ah
22:31 <epsy> hello i2020
22:31 <TaZ> omg
22:31 <TaZ> He's not a bad person
22:31 <i2020> hi epsy
22:31 <nsh22> have u seen him on armagetronad forums?
22:31 <TaZ> btw epsy, me and killer signed up for an American server...screenshots included
22:31 <TaZ> Yes, that was a year ago
22:31 <i2020> glad there are some oldie players still hacking it out
22:31 <nsh22> well, w/e
22:32 <epsy> yeah, you did even sign up two times for an american server
22:32 <TaZ> It's not like he's like that now
22:32 <nsh22> i need the support as well
22:32 <i2020> your skills must be phenomenal
22:32 <TaZ> xDD
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22:32 <nsh22> form luke jr
22:32 <PinkTomato> TaZ: are you trying to split 6GB file and then send it down a 384Kbit connection?
22:32 <TaZ> lmao, don't judge me :)
22:32 <nsh22> ew,
22:33 <TaZ> But yes, my upload speed is that
22:33 <PinkTomato> You know that will take 35 hours?
22:33 <PinkTomato> Burn it onto a DVD and send first class
22:34 <TaZ> Its more like 4 gbs
22:34 <i2020> hi g5, flex, fonkay, guru3, lucifer, madmax, wow mazuffer, and wrtlprnft if he is about...
22:34 <TaZ> I tried FTP but we ran into some problems
22:34 <PinkTomato> even more reason, It will fit on one DVD
22:34 <TaZ> it's driving me a tad bit crazy
22:34 <PinkTomato> It will take 24 Hours then
22:34 <PinkTomato> Post is faster
22:34 <TaZ> lol
22:34 <Flex> hi i2020, is that the real 2020?
22:35 <TaZ> I don't want to pay for a stamp
22:35  * TaZ waits for the cheap remarks
22:35 <PinkTomato> it is 31p!
22:35 <Lizmatic> you only get 5 cents from your mom taz, i can understand why you dont want a stamp
22:35 <PinkTomato> less hassle
22:35 <i2020> as real as we can get here....
22:35 <TaZ> oh hai Lizmatic
22:35 <PinkTomato> nsh22: did dragon give refund?
22:35 <madmax> hello i2020
22:35 <nsh22> no
22:36 <PinkTomato> aww, evil them
22:36 <madmax> long time!
22:36 <nsh22> i dont care, im not sure if code hunter had my infoavail able so i wanted to get out as soon as possible
22:36 <i2020> yeah! you still based in portugal?
22:36 <madmax> yeah
22:37 <i2020> how is your game playing?
22:37 <Concord> his is great
22:38 <PinkTomato> TaZ: I highly suggest the snail mail method
22:38 <TaZ> well you see
22:38 <TaZ> I have a lot of bad luck
22:38 <Concord> its 6gb, right?
22:38 <PinkTomato> If something goes wrong with the download it will go wrong
22:38 <madmax> pfft, played today after some weeks
22:38 <TaZ> My dvd drive broke
22:39 <PinkTomato> hmm.
22:39 <TaZ> So I'm not burning anything
22:40 <PinkTomato> You don't really have any other choice
22:40 <TaZ> The file I have is on my ipod though
22:40 <PinkTomato> DSL is just not up to transferring it
22:40 <TaZ> I'll just send the ipod to my friend
22:40 <PinkTomato> that's a good idea, haven't you got a USB file sticky thingy?
22:40 <PinkTomato> whatever the latest name for them is now?
22:40 <TaZ> I'm cheap :D
22:40 <TaZ> haha
22:41 <TaZ> I just recently got a usb stick thoough
22:41 <TaZ> It's not enough to hold that much data
22:41 <i2020> hope to see you on the grid some time....
22:41 <PinkTomato> TaZ: Hard Drives are easily damaged
22:41 <i2020> we'll see how it goes... not sure if i will catch the bug again...
22:42 <PinkTomato> espically iPod ones, sending in the post would be unwise
22:42 <i2020> but concord has it bad...
22:42 <TaZ> it's an old one
22:42 <PinkTomato> USB Stick how big is yours?
22:42 <Concord> ha
22:42 <TaZ> i have no use for it anymore
22:42 <PinkTomato> well it's just it'll need a lot of padding
22:43 <Concord> you'll catch it after one big cafe round
22:43 <PinkTomato> it'll cost a tiny bit to post
22:43 <i2020> heheheh
22:43 <i2020> what's the state of play regarding making vids?
22:44 <i2020> has it been facilitated?
22:44  * nsh22 is going to make dinner, bbl
22:44 <TaZ> hmm
22:44 <TaZ> i hope not a lot
22:45 <Concord> em, aarec is still the format, I've tried to but there isn't a good free program available for macs
22:46 <PinkTomato> oh 2020 video person!
22:46 <Concord> what would be great would be a converter from aarec to ...
22:46 <Concord> lol
22:46 <PinkTomato> I saw the videos hehe :)
22:46 <Concord> were considering streaming online for matches
22:46 <i2020> i had to buy some software to record a playback... bit of a hassle..
22:46 <PinkTomato> we were, or we are?
22:46 <i2020> PinkTomato: :)
22:47 <Concord> having a spectator set up 2 cameras like in those old local games
22:47 <Concord> have them be fixed cameras and adjust them on either end of the fortress
22:47 <Concord> for a broadcast
22:47 <Concord> we're still working on getting it from the recorder to the streaming
22:47 <Concord> I don't we'll be able to do it with aa recorder
22:47 <Concord> but with a video capture it will be possible
22:48 <Concord> also, its now possible to have a server generate a grid image
22:48 <i2020> um... sorry... you want to stream a game?
22:48 <PinkTomato> Why?
22:48 <Concord> yeah
22:48 <PinkTomato> can't you just spectate it?
22:48 <PinkTomato> it would use less bandwidth
22:48 <PinkTomato> = less lag for the players
22:48 <i2020> grid image?
22:48 <Concord> if this gets going we can't have 1,048,560 spectators
22:49 <i2020> hehehe
22:49 <PinkTomato> but it will still use less bandwidth :)
22:49 <Concord> its a server generate image every x seconds, which can be uploaded live
22:49 <i2020> that's future proof visioning for you...
22:49 <Concord> like a animated map
22:49 <PinkTomato> I think If we could generate 1,000,000 players
22:49 <PinkTomato> someone would make a relay
22:49 <Concord> P4 has it going for his styball
22:49 <Concord> i'll find the link
22:50 <i2020> wait a mo... if we have one stream, can't we simply use mirrors, and let players alter what camera view they have... that is, to spectate in a streamed version
22:50 <Concord> exactly, its the same for the server as just having 1 spec
22:51 <i2020> that's it... but why this notion of having two fixed cameras?
22:51 <i2020> surely players should be able to move the camera around, follow other players etc...
22:51 <Concord> oh, that was just a scenario for when one couldn't choose his camera angle
22:51 <i2020> ah
22:51 <i2020> also like the idea that someone could have multiple cameras set up
22:51 <Concord> in the case that a spectator video captures the match and he streams it
22:51 <PinkTomato> I would how an FPS spectator camera would work
22:52 <i2020> and they could compile an ongoing commentary of the game, like a director of a football game
22:52 <PinkTomato> Team spectator message :
22:52 <PinkTomato> :)
22:52 <Concord> yep, stream the video and audio
22:53 <Concord> perhaps two commentators
22:53 <i2020> but i suspect that may be something which designers can produce later on... once large enough player figures manifest
22:53 <Concord> this would be for maybe the quaterfinals onward
22:53 <Concord> in a scenario with >512 teams or something
22:53 <i2020> for now, i just need a simple recording, playback, i guess i have the software to record the games and then edit it
22:53 <i2020> yeah, i guess i have the necessary stuff...
22:53 <PinkTomato> Team Fortress 2 wouldn't be able to cough up 1,000,000 Players, so i'm wondering how we would do it?
22:54 <i2020> tf2?
22:54 <Concord> ok, I'll make one tonight and send it to you
22:54 <Concord> its some other game
22:54 <Concord> because fortress is better than that game
22:54 <Concord> by far
22:54 <i2020> may i say at this point that i am amazed at the vitality of your blog, concord, as well as the others who are contributing
22:55 <Concord> don't tell anyone this, but I'm a bit suprised too,
22:55 <Concord> oh wait we're in a 39 person channel *oops* lol
22:55 <PinkTomato> xD
22:55 <i2020> i mentioned it to two colleagues, and they started to get excited... i may even persuade them to play the game
22:55 <i2020> hehehe
22:56 <akira_arma> 2020 :O
22:56 <akira_arma> .tea
22:56 <akira_arma> @tea
22:56 <teabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:57 <i2020> time for tea?
22:57 <i2020> its a bot, isn't it?
22:57 <PinkTomato> @tea
22:57 <teabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:57 <Concord> http://armagetron.pl/ is p4's grid image of sty
22:57 <akira_arma> fortress guys
22:57 <akira_arma> cafe?=
22:57 <Concord> I'm half-working , right now
22:58 <i2020> i'm game...:)
22:59 <Concord> tho I could take a break
22:59 <i2020> i find the team flag game good as well
22:59 <akira_arma> ugh
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22:59 <akira_arma> ;)
23:00 <i2020> though they have changed the settings a little which makes for a little lag-interrupt
23:00 <i2020> mentally, that is
23:01 <Concord> @tea
23:01 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), plop, |x| Raiden
23:02 <Flex> i2020, where have you been?!
23:03 <i2020> hehhe in the real world
23:07 <ct|kyle> i2020: The arma world is better than that
23:07 <TaZ> :o pinktomatos
23:07 <TaZ> Pinktomato *
23:08 <PinkTomato> TaZ: ?
23:08 <TaZ> Whatever happened to our server idea?
23:08 <PinkTomato> TaZ: ran out of time
23:10 <TaZ> aww
23:10 <i2020> it is indeed
23:10 <i2020> though i spent 3 months on a thailand beach and i can say that it pretty neat too
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23:13 <Concord> @tea
23:14 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): archetype, Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), MRZ3r}@, plop
23:14 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ...
23:17 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc238035.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:17 <Flex> i2020, nice
23:18 <TaZ> Will we ever get started on it again Pinktomato?
23:19 <i2020> heheh can't play and do this irc thing
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23:20 <i2020> wow thanks Concord ... good to play after so long
23:30 <guru3> z-man: Lucifer: think that one thread should be locked?
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23:45 <z-man> guru3: I don't care. It's not as if it's going to turn into a flamewar anytime soon.
23:45 <z-man> And while it is an x internal affair, outside comments can still be allowed.
23:46 <guru3> that's roughly what i was thinking
23:46  * z-man is actively avoiding to read the x forums
23:46 <guru3> i don't read other tron forums
23:47 <guru3> it's a fatal flaw
23:47 <z-man> nah.
23:47 <guru3> but really, i don't see how i can be ordered to lock a thread like that guy is trying
23:47 <z-man> If people want something from us, they can post on our forums.
23:48 <z-man> that's another reason :) He's in no position to demand a lock.
23:48 <ct|kyle> I vote for Dr. Jot to hijack it
23:48 <z-man> Err, she?
23:48 <ct|kyle> joe*
23:48 <guru3> ct|kyle: that's an excellent idea
23:49 <guru3> and i have no clue what sex any of them are
23:50 <Concord> @tea
23:51 <teabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): CtxWoned, CT_emmy, fingerbib, juice keeper, Pink Tomatoes, plop, slowpoke, |XC| Freeze, |x| $ubzero, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~|JS|~, ¦×¦ Hoax
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