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Log from 2009-01-06:
--- Day changed Tue Jan 06 2009
00:03 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
00:04 <z-man> Lucifer: I'm on it, but first I have to get the client to build with CODELEVEL=2.
00:04 <z-man> (small grrr)
00:04 <Lucifer> heh
00:04 <z-man> Wouldn't be able to do more than small dirty work right now anyway.
00:07 <Lucifer> hmmm, the server built just a couple of days ago, though.  :/
00:07  * Lucifer isn't sweating it much right now, just anxiously waiting emails that are probably nto coming today after all
00:08 <z-man> I only have one error in the server so far, it was easy to fix.
00:08 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ac75653.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
00:09 <z-man> A call to a cockpit function not existing on the server.
00:10 <Lucifer> I fixed that one, that was my fault
00:10 <Lucifer> it came in with camview
00:10 <Lucifer> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../armagetronad/src/vParser.cpp', needed by `libtools_a-vParser.o'.  Stop.
00:10 <Lucifer> it doesn't make sense because it was building a couple of days ago
00:11 <z-man> I don't get that one.
00:12 <Lucifer> really?
00:13 <Lucifer> probably I should clean up my build directory and try again then
00:16 <smoothice> PinkTomato: is it just me or did you get the AIs on your Team Sumo server to play sumo correctly?
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00:18 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :)
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00:18 <PinkTomato> smoothice: if they do, that wasn't me ;)
00:22 <smoothice> z-man: If the functionality of the username field was mixed case in previous versions of the client, then why did it change now?
00:22 <z-man> Umm, no. The username was always lowercase, IIRC.
00:23 <z-man> It was just that non-armathentication aware clients plainly put the player name into the username field, which definitely is wrong.
00:23 <smoothice> z-man: alright
00:24 <z-man> gotta move from room to room
00:24  * z-man wishes he had taken his batteries
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00:56 <@armabot> 0.3.1: Manuel Moos r754: Fixed server compilation. || Manuel Moos r753: Fixed more warnings. || Manuel Moos r752: Fixed unused variable and variable init order warnings.
01:00 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Fixed server compilation.... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed more warnings.... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed unused variable and variable init order warnings....
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02:18 <neal9> #list
02:19 <@armabot> neal9: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
02:19 <neal9> #weather
02:19 <@armabot> neal9: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
02:19 <neal9> #weather<barrie>
02:19 <neal9> #weather(barrie)
02:19 <PinkTomato> #weather Brighton, UK
02:19 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The current temperature in Portslade by Sea, Brighton, United Kingdom is 28.9°F (1:19 AM GMT on January 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
02:19 <neal9> #weather Barrie
02:20 <@armabot> neal9: The current temperature in Barrie Tall Oaks West End, Barrie, Ontario is 13.6°F (8:17 PM EST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
02:20 <PinkTomato> 13!!
02:20 <neal9> ya
02:20 <PinkTomato> #finc 13
02:20 <@armabot> PinkTomato: -10.5555555556
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:20 <neal9> wewt for canada
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:20 <PinkTomato> hehe, no idea what that is
02:20 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
02:20 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 19.4°F (8:20 PM EST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).
02:20 <PinkTomato> I'm sitting in gloves going its fricking freezing
02:20 <PinkTomato> and you have -11
02:20 <neal9> lol
02:21 <neal9> ya u get used to it
02:21 <neal9> sits supposed to go down to -23 on sunday
02:21 <neal9> celcius
02:21 <neal9> #finf -13
02:21 <ct|kyle> #finc -23
02:21 <@armabot> ct|kyle: -30.5555555556
02:21 <PinkTomato> I can't imagine whats that like
02:21 <ct|kyle> #cinf -23
02:21 <neal9> BLODDY COLD
02:22 <neal9> BLOODY*
02:22 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:22 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
02:22 <ct|kyle> lol
02:22 <neal9> lol
02:22 <ct|kyle> #g -23 in F
02:22 <PinkTomato> argh, Lucifer someone changed it again
02:22 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:22 <neal9> r u guys in the tronic bowl?
02:22 <ct|kyle> #g -23C in F
02:22 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (-23) degrees Celsius = -9.4 degrees Fahrenheit
02:22 <ct|kyle> finally
02:22 <neal9> #g -40C in F
02:23 <@armabot> neal9: (-40) degrees Celsius = -40 degrees Fahrenheit
02:23 <PinkTomato> I love that one :)
02:23 <neal9> hahah i never understood that
02:23 <neal9> #g -41C in F
02:23 <@armabot> neal9: (-41) degrees Celsius = -41.8 degrees Fahrenheit
02:23 <neal9> wtf?
02:23 <PinkTomato> one of them must be on a logoromathric scale
02:23 <BabyBug> #g 42C in F
02:23 <@armabot> BabyBug: 42 degrees Celsius = 107.6 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <BabyBug> #g -42C in F
02:24 <neal9> lol
02:24 <@armabot> BabyBug: (-42) degrees Celsius = -43.6 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <neal9> si know this one:
02:24 <neal9> #g 100C in F
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 100 degrees Celsius = 212 degrees Fahrenheit
02:24 <neal9> wewt for bvoiling points
02:24 <neal9> #g 100C in K
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 100 degrees Celsius = 373.15 kelvin
02:24 <neal9> shahahha
02:24 <PinkTomato> Celcius makes sense
02:24 <PinkTomato> move over to it ;)
02:24 <neal9> #g 0K in C
02:24 <@armabot> neal9: 0 kelvin = -273.15 degrees Celsius
02:25 <neal9> mover over to it?
02:25 <PinkTomato> I mean, switch to it
02:25 <PinkTomato> its the most useful metric measurement
02:25 <neal9> WE ARE IN CELCIUS
02:25 <neal9> lol
02:25 <PinkTomato> Oh shi sorry
02:25 <PinkTomato> It's the people south of you
02:25 <neal9> i r canadian eh?
02:25 <neal9> ya
02:26 <PinkTomato> your even futher than us
02:26 <neal9> we also use the metres centimetres etc
02:26 <PinkTomato> you have km/h?
02:26 <neal9> where do u live?
02:26 <neal9> ya
02:26 <PinkTomato> UK
02:26 <neal9> oh
02:26 <PinkTomato> we still use miles and sell milk in pints
02:26 <neal9> noobs
02:26 <neal9> lol
02:26 <PinkTomato> pretty much :P
02:26 <neal9> and use weight as currency
02:26 <neal9> haha
02:26 <ct|kyle> I like the metric system, but i'm not good a lower C conversions
02:26 <PinkTomato> lol :D
02:27 <neal9> thats cuz u dont live in the cold
02:27 <ct|kyle> ya i do
02:27 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: I'm no good with estimated low celcius either, as I don't live in the cold :D
02:27 <neal9> when u live in the cold, u find out what each temo is in each system
02:27 <neal9> 0C=32F
02:28 <ct|kyle> -40C = -40F
02:28 <ct|kyle> I forgot about that one
02:28 <neal9> lol
02:28 <PinkTomato> do they teach metric in US schools?
02:28 <ct|kyle> in science
02:28 <neal9> r u guys in the tronic bowl?
02:28 <PinkTomato> science? It's a maths subject surely?
02:28 <ct|kyle> but that is not much on temperatures (the classes i took anyway)
02:29 <PinkTomato> neal9: Its an ambitious plan...
02:29 <neal9> no, all science is done in metrioc
02:29 <ct|kyle> math the still use feet
02:29 <neal9> r u in it pink?
02:29 <PinkTomato> neal9: isn't it next year?
02:29 <ct|kyle> and when they try to use metric on certain problems they have a hard time
02:29 <neal9> no, its on june 7th
02:29 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: how?
02:30 <PinkTomato> neal9: if somehow we can gather that many people, I would be :)
02:30 <ct|kyle> one of teachers used meters in a gravity problem
02:30 <neal9> oh ya
02:30 <ct|kyle> only tought the 32 fps
02:30 <neal9> cuz its like 23m/s/s
02:30 <ct|kyle> not the 9.81 mps
02:30 <ct|kyle> meters/sec
02:30 <neal9> frames per second? XD
02:30 <ct|kyle> feet / sec
02:31 <neal9> i know
02:31 <ct|kyle> i know
02:31 <PinkTomato> new units are confusing
02:31 <neal9> zomg this is what happens when i try to do homework at the comp desk
02:32 <neal9> i hate ADD
02:32 <ct|kyle> that is probably the 1 think i like better about american system is that gravity is a nice round number
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02:32 <ct|kyle> lol
02:32 <PinkTomato> shame the whole system dosen't follow suit ;)
02:33 <PinkTomato> 1Kg is 1 Newton though
02:33 <neal9> lo
02:33 <neal9> funy colours
02:33 <neal9> wewt
02:33 <PinkTomato> colours?
02:33 <neal9> yes
02:34 <PinkTomato> I do not see colours
02:34 <neal9> do you see the colour in the chat?
02:34 <PinkTomato> only in the names
02:34 <neal9> hmmm must just be in mine
02:34 <PinkTomato> mIRC?
02:34 <neal9> the names?
02:34 <neal9> no
02:34 <neal9> this is an online version
02:34 <PinkTomato> Yeah, the chatter names
02:34 <neal9> i have mirc but i dunno how to use it to get on here
02:35 <PinkTomato> connect to server irc.freenode.net
02:35 <PinkTomato> and join room #armagetron ?
02:35 <neal9> ok
02:36 <neal9> how do i connect to the server?
02:37 <PinkTomato> isn't it somewhere in options in mIRC?
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02:38 <mkzelda> ALT + FAX for the mirc fax machine
02:38 <nsh22> yay
02:38 <PinkTomato> :)
02:38 <neal9> i kinda like the online 1 tho lol
02:38 <neal9> it ahs colour
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02:39 <nsh22> dont worry
02:39 <nsh22> im still here
02:39 <nsh22> #list
02:39 <@armabot> nsh22: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
02:41 <nsh22> #armaconfig
02:41 <@armabot> nsh22: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
02:41  * nsh22 slaps nsh22 around a bit with a large trout
02:41  * nsh22 slaps PinkTomato around a bit with a large trout
02:41 <nsh22> hahaha
02:43 <nsh22> kk i g2 do french homework
02:44 <nsh22> #signin
02:44 <PinkTomato> see you :)
02:44 <nsh22> lo l how do i sign in?
02:44 <PinkTomato> identify
02:44 <nsh22> kk
02:44 <nsh22> #identify
02:44 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
02:44 <nsh22> # armabot identify
02:44 <@armabot> i suck
02:44 <nsh22> lol
02:44 <nsh22> # armabot identify neal
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <nsh22> # armabot identify neal mmmmm
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <nsh22> # armabot register neal mmmmm
02:45 <@armabot> i suck
02:45 <PinkTomato> #alias remove armabot
02:45 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
02:45 <nsh22> #armabot register neal mmmmm
02:45 <nsh22> can u see that?
02:45 <PinkTomato> yes.. :)
02:46 <PinkTomato> use /msg armabot
02:47 <nsh22> oh so u saw my pass?
02:47 <nsh22> lol
02:48 <nsh22> is there a way to clear the chat?
02:48 <nsh22> #clear
02:49 <PinkTomato> no :)
02:50 <PinkTomato> that's entered google now
02:50 <nsh22> what has?
02:50 <PinkTomato> mmmmm
02:50 <nsh22> ffs
02:50 <nsh22> time to go pass changeing :)
02:50 <PinkTomato> please say that isn't your password to everything?
02:50 <nsh22> no it isnt
02:50 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
02:50 <nsh22> jusr a few things lol
02:51  * nsh22 thinks of what all has mmmm as a pass
02:53 <nsh22> what else has it?...
02:53 <nsh22> oh well
02:53 <nsh22> nothing important anyway
02:53 <PinkTomato> o good :)
02:53 <nsh22> lol thats my "i dont care if this gets hacked" pass
02:54 <nsh22> hence the simplicity
02:54 <PinkTomato> :)
02:54 <nsh22> hey, u run DD racing right?
02:54 <PinkTomato> right
02:54 <nsh22> ok.. um a bunch off ppl want me to make racing maps just like the ones on ur server
02:55 <nsh22> i dont raeally want to do it lol, so i probably wont
02:55 <nsh22> but i was wondering if you stored the maps on gthe arma repository?
02:55 <PinkTomato> no, they are stored in a repository
02:56 <PinkTomato> I suggest you contact the author of the file before you go including the maps though :)
02:56 <PinkTomato> there's quite a few of them
02:56 <nsh22> is it on lke jrs repository?
02:56 <PinkTomato> no a private race one
02:56 <nsh22> and im not planning on just including them :)
02:56 <nsh22> oh ok
02:56 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/arma/
02:57 <nsh22> that would be copyright infringement possible
02:57 <nsh22> spossibly*
02:57 <nsh22> fiking s's
02:57 <PinkTomato> depends on yr country
02:57 <PinkTomato> I think, don't know copyright law
02:57 <nsh22> lol
02:57 <nsh22> im just gonna makemy own
02:57 <PinkTomato> anyway, yeah, just contact the author of the file if you borrow anything :)
02:57 <nsh22> maps that is
02:57 <PinkTomato> always good to see other examples first though :)
02:58 <nsh22> ya
02:58 <nsh22> ive played on ur maps, they are pretty fun
02:58 <PinkTomato> well none of the maps are mine :D
02:58 <PinkTomato> I attempted a teleport one, never got round to finishing it
02:59 <nsh22> aw, who was it that did that? i remember playing it somewhere
02:59 <PinkTomato> can't remember either, possible a CT member
03:00 <nsh22> hmmm
03:00 <nsh22> anyways, its 9:00 pm and i have a sh!t load of french homework to do
03:01 <PinkTomato> its 2am and I have a lot of sleeping to do
03:01 <nsh22> ill still be on here but i might not reply for a while
03:01 <nsh22> lol
03:01 <PinkTomato> so see you soon :)
03:01 <nsh22> bai
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03:01 <nsh22> #quit
03:01 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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03:39 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron !!!!! - Game Podunk <http://www.gamepodunk.com/forum/bonfire-chatting/3176-armagetron.html>
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04:16  * BabyBug growls at Lucifer
04:17 <BabyBug> Now arma can't load fortress cafe :P
04:20 <BabyBug> hrmmm....
04:20  * BabyBug wonders why her IP is a tiscali IP.....
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04:22 <BabyBug> Much better ^^
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05:07 <smoothice> Are there any risks to running a dedicated server using instead of
05:09  * Lucifer growls back at BabyBug
05:10 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
05:10 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 37.8°F (10:10 PM CST on January 05, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
05:10 <Lucifer> smoothice: yes
05:10 <smoothice> Lucifer: What could happen?
05:11 <Lucifer> your server might melt
05:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: ...
05:11 <Lucifer> I don't remember what the reason for the release was, other than it was a security fix
05:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: I'm serious.... could it be hacked?
05:11 <Lucifer> and the 0.2.8 branch was too far along, but not far enough for a release, resulting in getting a patch and a release as
05:11 <Lucifer> er
05:12 <Lucifer> you get the idea
05:12 <Lucifer> yes, it could be hacked, but I don't remember how
05:12 <Lucifer> why are you considering
05:12 <Lucifer> especially when we're so close to releasing
05:12 <smoothice> Lucifer: 1 is an unlucky number
05:12 <Lucifer> no, 1 is a lonely number
05:13 <smoothice> even worse
05:13 <smoothice>
05:13 <Lucifer> a, don't forget the a
05:13 <smoothice> That's not a milestone in launchpad...
05:13 <Lucifer> after that, we'll release
05:14 <smoothice> gaah
05:14 <smoothice> lol
05:14 <Lucifer> then, we'll move on to
05:14 <smoothice> I don't believe this anymore lol
05:14 <Lucifer> after 0.3.1, we're going to binary release numbers, however
05:14 <smoothice> 0.4, 0.5?
05:14 <Lucifer> the version after 0.3.1 will be 0.10.01
05:15 <smoothice> Lots of servers run
05:15 <smoothice> .*
05:15 <Lucifer> then, 0.10.10, 0.10.11, 0.10.100, 0.10.101, etc
05:15 <smoothice> Lots of servers still run
05:15 <Lucifer> they shouldn't
05:15 <smoothice> Like Wild West Sumo
05:15 <smoothice> Version: unix dedicated
05:15 <Lucifer> maybe I'll dig up the thread where it was discussed on the forums and hack all of them
05:15 <smoothice> lol
05:15 <Lucifer> THEN they'll know they need to upgrade
05:16 <Lucifer> er, I wrote that wrong
05:16 <Lucifer> the version after 0.3.1 will be 0.11.10
05:16 <smoothice> I cannot find the thread..
05:16 <smoothice> I just want to know what .1 fixed
05:16 <Lucifer> it's in the developer's only forum
05:16 <smoothice> that’s all
05:16 <smoothice> devs only forum?
05:18 <smoothice> I'm not trying to hack.. simply interesting in the benefits of using .1
05:18 <Lucifer> I want to report a couple of in-game freeze/crash bugs I have found in
05:18 <Lucifer> the latest version of Armagetron (
05:18 <Lucifer> A client can freeze the server using a big num value (like 0xffff) in
05:18 <Lucifer> the id_req_handler function used by the server.
05:18 <Lucifer> The server will be freezed and the CPU reaches 100%
05:18 <Lucifer> The second bug instead is a crash which happens through an owner value
05:18 <Lucifer> bigger than MAXCLIENTS+1.
05:18 <Lucifer> The function about I refer is the following:
05:18 <Lucifer> nNetObject::nNetObject(nMessage &m):lastSyncID_(m.MessageIDBig()),refCtr_
05:18 <Lucifer> (0)
05:18 <Lucifer> If the value is not too big the server terminates with the message:
05:18 <smoothice> I think I'll use .1 :)
05:19 <Lucifer> Internal Error: Internal error in static nMachine& nMachine::GetMachine
05:19 <Lucifer> (short unsigned int) in network/nNetwork.cpp:3820 : Assertion userID <=
05:19 <Lucifer> MAXCLIENTS+1 failed
05:19 <Lucifer> No standalone proof-of-concept is available at the moment, sorry.
05:19 <Lucifer> Then I have also a doubt about the ReceiveLeagueMessage function used in
05:19 <Lucifer> Krawall, when this function is used?
05:19 <Lucifer> I ask you that because the code could cause the crash of the server
05:19 <Lucifer> through an invalid numPlayers (too big or negative).
05:19 <Lucifer> I wait your reply.
05:19 <smoothice> What about Tigers Network Classic Play? Running
05:19 <Lucifer> :)
05:19 <Lucifer> that was from Luigi Auriemma, our favorite random bug finder
05:19 <Lucifer> he finds the weirdest bugs and reports them to uus, and we feel so bad about the exploits we have to release a security release
05:19 <smoothice> How dangers is that ??? :P
05:19 <smoothice> dangerous
05:20 <Lucifer> it's probably not affected, heh
05:20 <smoothice> wow
05:20 <smoothice> lol
05:20 <Lucifer> guru3: you're still running your servers on
05:20 <Lucifer> smoothice: there was a big network refactoring that happened for 0.2.8
05:20 <luke-jr> there was a -c?
05:20 <Lucifer> luke-jr: evidently
05:20 <luke-jr> smoothice: exists, sortof
05:20 <Lucifer> is that with ctf?
05:20 <smoothice> luke-jr: where can I download it
05:21 <luke-jr> smoothice: Subversion
05:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no
05:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: GCC 4.2 fixes
05:21 <luke-jr> in theory, the actual code is the same as
05:21 <smoothice> luke-jr: All I see is # 0.2.5/
05:21 <smoothice> #
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.6/
05:21 <smoothice> #
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8/
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8-IPv6/
05:21 <smoothice> # 0.2.8-auth/
05:22 <smoothice> #
05:22 <smoothice> #
05:22 <@armabot> smoothice: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
05:22 <smoothice> # 0.3.0/
05:22 <luke-jr> smoothice: I believe it's the branch
05:22 <smoothice> Not
05:22 <smoothice> ok
05:22 <luke-jr> branch, not tag
05:22 <Lucifer> smoothice: you pissed off armabot.  Smooth move ex-lax.
05:22 <smoothice> Lucifer: sorry? :(
05:22 <luke-jr> lol
05:23 <smoothice> luke-jr: /armagetronad/branches/ just contains code
05:23 <luke-jr> smoothice: wtf else did you expect?
05:23 <smoothice> lol
05:23 <Lucifer> heh
05:23 <smoothice> I expect another folder
05:23 <smoothice>
05:23 <smoothice> expected*
05:23 <luke-jr> smoothice: I didn't tag it.
05:23 <Lucifer> what part of "exists sorta" did you misinterpret?
05:23 <smoothice> Lucifer: all of it :P
05:24 <Lucifer> evidently ;)
05:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: What is the version set to?
05:24 <smoothice> or
05:24 <Lucifer> hey, 0.3.1_alpha1 is the new
05:24 <luke-jr> smoothice: probably
05:24 <smoothice> ok
05:24 <luke-jr> the *only* changes are to make it compile with GCC 4.2
05:24 <Lucifer> when we finish the development series, we'll release 0.four.oh
05:24 <luke-jr> or 4.4 or such
05:24 <luke-jr> how it runs should be unchanged
05:25 <smoothice> 0.4?
05:25 <smoothice> When will that be?
05:25 <smoothice> How many more years after
05:25 <Lucifer> after 0.11.111111
05:25 <luke-jr> 0.3 will become 0.4 or 1.0
05:26 <smoothice> Since 0.3 is considerably fake...
05:26 <smoothice> In terms of publicity
05:26 <luke-jr> wtf? fake?
05:26 <smoothice> yeah
05:26 <luke-jr> wtf?
05:26 <smoothice> the IRC topic
05:26 <luke-jr> 0.3 is experimental/development
05:26 <smoothice> oh
05:26 <smoothice> right...
05:26 <luke-jr> 0.4/1.0 exists when we decide to start fixing bugs
05:26 <luke-jr> :þ
05:27 <Lucifer> but that's going to be awhile, because epsy is writing new bugs faster than he can write new features
05:27 <Lucifer> I think he stays up late just thinking up new bugs to add to the game
05:27 <smoothice> ok
05:28 <luke-jr> LOL
05:28 <smoothice> lol
05:28 <smoothice> I have to head off :P
05:28 <smoothice> From this crazyness :)
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05:28 <Lucifer> oh yeah, I need to build a server package
05:40  * ct|kyle pokes BabyBug
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09:51 <teabot> armablah: Solooo Defff « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/solooo-defff/>
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10:35 <guru3> Lucifer: only one of them
11:05 <wrtlprnft> #rss add sty+ct http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/sty_ct
11:05 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:05 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce #armagetron sty+ct
11:05 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:05 <@armabot> sty+ct: kyle r648: Adding ADMIN_COMMAND to LadderLog || kyle r647: Adding INVALID_COMMAND to ladderlog || kyle r646: Adding the following Shooting deaths; DEATH_SHOT_FRAG, DEATH_SHOT_SUICIDE, and DEATH_SHOT_TEAMKILL to ladderlog || voodoo r645: add SET_PLAYER_TEAM || Ed Amos r644: voodoo's suggested fix to stop players being selected by their user id. caused problems if a player was named "8" or something equally stoopid. Now uses 
11:06 <wrtlprnft> #rss add sty http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/sty
11:06 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:06 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce #armagetron sty
11:06 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:09 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py/source if anyone cares
11:09 <@armabot> sty: Manuel Moos r882: Merging from mainline. || epsy r881: merging from mainline || epsy46 r880: fixed unseen conflicts || wrtlprnft r879: Applied a patch that z-man didn't originally include || Manuel Moos r878: Fixed compiler errors introduced by the last merge. || Manuel Moos r877: Fixed network message memory leak. || Manuel Moos r876: Deleted old directories. || Manuel Moos r875: Moved resources and DTD to a better place. || 
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11:33 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
11:36 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron Advanced <http://www.find-freebies.org/armagetron-advanced/>
12:16 <z-man> #m Lucifer shall we continuously merge everything from 0.3.1 to the trunk?
12:16 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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12:26 <Flex> :o
12:34 <PinkTomato> Hello Flex :)
12:36 <Flex> hello PinkTomato :)
12:37 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8750 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): Manuel Moos: Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it is accepted.
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8751 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac:
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8743 to 8750:
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  r8750 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-01-06 12:36:57 +0100 (Tue, 06 Jan 2009) | 2 lines
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it is accepted.
12:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:40 <PinkTomato> anyone know the easiest way to move a NTFS partition?
12:42 <z-man> dd and ntfsresize.
12:42 <z-man> I suppose you're moving from a smaller to a larger partition?
12:42 <PinkTomato> from a 40GB hard drive to 250GB :)
12:43 <z-man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsresize
12:44 <z-man> Typically, the process is easy:
12:44 <Flex> what OS?
12:44 <z-man> dd if=<old partition id> of=<new shiny hd>
12:44 <z-man> Linux, of course.
12:44 <PinkTomato> I'll be using Linux boot cd, easiest way I think
12:44 <z-man> Yep.
12:44 <Flex> it's only 40gbs, you could just make an imagine :p
12:45 <PinkTomato> z-man: that's all?
12:45 <z-man> no, second step is "ntfsresize <new shiny hd>"
12:45 <z-man> then get Windows to actually recognize the new partition :)
12:45 <PinkTomato> I see, so that will resize it from a 40GB to whatever?
12:45 <z-man> yep.
12:46 <PinkTomato> is it going to take all day?
12:46 <z-man> Getting windows to recognize the new partition probably should be your first step.
12:46  * BabyBug gettings PinkTomato 
12:46 <BabyBug> gettings?!
12:46 <BabyBug> i mean cuddles
12:46 <BabyBug> dont ask me where that came from O.o
12:46 <PinkTomato> lol, um... hehe :D
12:46 <z-man> no, resizing to a bigger space typically just involves rewriting some header information.
12:46  * PinkTomato returns the hugs :)
12:46 <z-man> the dd is going to take a bit, of course. Depends on your HD speed.
12:47 <PinkTomato> its a slow drive 5200rpm, so I'll bring tetris
12:47 <Flex> i did something like that a while back.. i messed up, so backup maybe
12:48 <z-man> backups are always a good idea.
12:48 <z-man> But as long as you don't write to your old HD, nothing bad can happen.
12:48 <PinkTomato> so just be careful where you but you ifs.
12:49 <PinkTomato> put the ifs. Yeah, I'll back My Documents.
12:49 <z-man> the of= is more of a problem :)
12:49 <PinkTomato> ah, don't want to spend all day and nothing happening
12:51 <PinkTomato> so "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb"
12:52 <PinkTomato> I don't need the 1 on hdb?
12:53 <z-man> yes.
12:53 <PinkTomato> got it :). thanks :)
12:53 <z-man> You'd want to partition hdb first with one ntfs partition.
12:54 <PinkTomato> I see, at excactly the same size?
12:54 <z-man> No, make it the size you want it to be.
12:54 <PinkTomato> ah right, then will the size change afterwards?
12:54 <Flex> what happens if you swtich if and of?
12:54 <PinkTomato> Flex: disaster
12:55 <Flex> what kind?
12:55 <z-man> PinkTomato: yes. after the dd, you'll have a 40GB filesystem on a 250 GB partition.
12:55 <z-man> the ntfsresize will then make a 250GB filesystem out of that.
12:56 <PinkTomato> z-man: ok, I'll read about ntfsresize.
12:57 <PinkTomato> Flex: from what I gather, it would still look like it's working, but putting 0's on all your lovely data.
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13:13 <TaZ> Anyone awake?
13:20 <PinkTomato> TaZ: of course
13:20 <PinkTomato> its nearly 1pm
13:20 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r755 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8743 to 8750:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r975 Make sure nonsense GCC option doesn't get added even if it i...
13:21 <TaZ> Pinktomato: haha, it's 7:21 am here.
13:21 <TaZ> :P
13:22 <PinkTomato> hehe, well that's pretty nice time to wake up anyway
13:22 <TaZ> ehhh
13:25 <PinkTomato> It is, just enough time to do that assignment you should have done weeks ago.
13:26 <TaZ> lol, writing papers 5 minuets before class
13:26 <TaZ> :D
13:26 <PinkTomato> ;)
13:26 <PinkTomato> I'm getting better, its 2 days before now
13:26  * TaZ is the biggest procrastinator 
13:26 <TaZ> oo nice
13:29 <TaZ> You started school already?
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13:56 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
13:58 <z-man> Well, I'd post a reply there, but I'd be dammed to get an account.
14:02 <TaZ> z-man: you and not making accounts, I swear.
14:02 <TaZ> :D
14:04 <PinkTomato> well they could have at least used an openID thingy, ideally no login at all though, for a blog.
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14:27 <z-man> Yeah. If you want to encourage people to post helpful comments, you put as little barriers in their way as possible.
14:28 <z-man> And you make it easy for people knowing about the problem to find it, which that poster would have utterly failed at, too.
14:28 <z-man> were it not for teabot. What kind of service is armablah, anyway?
14:28 <z-man> does it scan a huge bunch of blogs for mentions of armagetron?
14:30 <z-man> Double fail. There isn't even an obvious way to get an account.
14:30 <guru3> it's hooked up to google iirc
14:30 <wrtlprnft> well, if you get z-man to read a post about an armagetronad problem i think you've succeeded
14:30 <z-man> that's to teabot's credit.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> there needs to be a bit of a challenge in finding it :-)
14:32 <wrtlprnft> err, how the hell DO you get an account there?
14:32 <z-man> heh :)
14:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe you're not supposed to make your own account
14:33 <z-man> you're supposed to hack it.
14:33 <guru3> "User registration is currently not allowed."
14:34 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the point
14:34 <wrtlprnft> there's tons of questions and not a single answer
14:34 <guru3> maybe they're all rhetorical :/
14:34 <wrtlprnft> it's to annoy people who have the same problem and then land on a page containing the problem's exact description but no answer
14:34 <Flex> lol
14:35 <guru3> lol
14:35 <guru3> and i feel like i should be doing something constructive
14:35 <guru3> but i'm not
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16:11 <Flex> cafe people?
16:11 <Flex> #cafe
16:11 <@armabot> Flex: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Flex, Fuzzy Mcmuff, Lizmatic, |x| FoFo
16:12 <Flex> MaZuffeR, G5, sunny
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16:25 <PinkTomato> Hmm... sorry, anyone have I idea what to do after dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/sda ? GParted says space is unallocated.?
16:30 <PinkTomato> I think I should have done /dev/sda1, whoops
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16:43 <epsy> ljrbot, I guess the ".5" was addressed to me :)
16:43 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
16:43 <epsy> Lucifer,
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16:49 <Lucifer> epsy:
16:51 <Lucifer> #m z-man I don't care if we continuously merge from 0.3.1 to the trunk, but I'd say it's not going to be worth it :)
16:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:51 <Lucifer> #m z-man I need windows and mac os x packages asap, I'd like to put up test builds of those
16:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:52 <Lucifer> #m z-man I'm going to look into the camview problem described in the thread and then either back it out (and put it in trunk) or fix it, whichever is appropriate ;)
16:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
16:52 <Lucifer> #m z-man but I'd like to release asap, so there shouldn't be a long string of changes in 0.3.1 to keep synced with the trunk
16:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
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17:05 <Lizmatic> #cafe
17:05 <@armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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17:18 <e_n_d_e_r> noobs! :P
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18:26 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 Merging from 0.3.1:...
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8753 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (21 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Bazaarmagetron
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: Automatic merging of commits that would change history order:
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  revno: 755.1.1
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  committer: Manuel Moos <z-man@users.sf.net>
18:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  branch nick: armagetronad
18:38 <z-man> #m Lucifer Mege from 0.3.1 to trunk done. The version script change related build errors are gone now, both for svn checkouts and bzr builds. versioninfo for svn is useless, of course, but we can fix that slowly on the trunk.
18:38 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
18:38 <Lucifer> heh
18:39 <Lucifer> so camview finally made it to the trunk ;)
18:39  * Lucifer just posted his dedicated server build
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18:51  * BabyBug cuddles Lucifer 
18:56 <BabyBug> #cafe
18:56 <@armabot> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
19:01 <z-man> Lucifer: oops, your #ms arrived too late :)
19:02 <z-man> camwiew has no bad effect unless you actually activate it, and the bug described in the forums could actually be described as a feature.
19:02 <z-man> Although a more xmly syntax would be preferable for in-camview rendering.
19:04 <Lucifer> Also, camviews currently need to be at the end of the cockpit file otherwise next widgets are rendered in the last camview widget  <--- not sure that's a feature ;)
19:05 <z-man> Not in that form :) But explicit rendering of widgets into the camwiew could be cool.
19:05 <teabot> armablah: 12.08 club-ubuntu WAN party « a psychopath and a psychiatrist walk ... <http://iheartyerface.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/1208-club-ubuntu-wan-party/>
19:05 <Lucifer> it's probably a matter where the curent rendering viewport is changed by the camview, but not returned to what it was
19:05 <z-man> Yep.
19:06 <Lucifer> but it seems like a little recursive rendering with the camview is in order, because you're right :)
19:06 <z-man> You may need to implement a viewport stack.
19:07 <z-man> anyway, off for groceries.
19:12 <Lucifer> have fun with that
19:12 <Lucifer> it looks like this is the culprit:
19:13 <Lucifer> 				viewports[viewport]->Select();
19:14 <Lucifer> #math calc 15*20*4.1
19:14 <@armabot> Lucifer: 1230
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19:21 <TaZ> Excuse me epsy, I see TST is coming up soon again
19:29 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r757 Automatic merging of commits that would change history order... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 Fixed last few errors with SVN builds.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Merging from 0.3.1:...
19:34 <Lizmatic> TaZ, you're not allowed to enter
19:34 <Lizmatic> :D
19:35 <TaZ> oh hai Lizmatic.  And how are you today?
19:37 <Lizmatic> um, good?
19:37 <TaZ> I can't enter because I speak Spanish?
19:37 <Lizmatic> no, you can't enter because you've got to be at least 10 years-old
19:37 <TaZ> Looks like we both can't enter then
19:38 <TaZ> :D
19:38 <Lizmatic> "ha ha"
19:38 <TaZ> How was ur New Years?
19:38 <Lizmatic> ur?
19:38 <TaZ> ur=your
19:38 <TaZ> There we go
19:38 <Lizmatic> no, your=your
19:38 <Lizmatic> ur=childtalk
19:39 <TaZ> I take it your New Years was good.
19:39 <Lizmatic> it's creepy how invested you are about my new years
19:39 <Lizmatic> but yes, it was fine
19:40 <TaZ> Is it weird that I'm being nice to you?
19:40 <Lizmatic> yes?
19:40 <TaZ> then stfu
19:40 <TaZ> jk :D
19:40 <Lizmatic> o_O
19:40 <Lizmatic> such wit, such humour.. *sigh*
19:40 <TaZ> When you cough, do you type it too?
19:42  * Lucifer coughs
19:42 <TaZ> oh hai Lucifer
19:42 <Lizmatic> what do you think the /me is for? moron
19:42 <TaZ> My other favorite person
19:43 <TaZ> oh Lizmatic, you're so funny
19:43  * Lucifer squeezes Lizmatic's shoulder
19:43  * Lizmatic is confused
19:43  * TaZ laughs hystaricly
19:44 <Lizmatic> hysterically.
19:44 <TaZ> oh your rite.  Not everyone can care about spelling like you. :)
19:44 <Lizmatic> you're.
19:45 <TaZ> If I had some stickers, I would def give you one for being the spell catcher of the day
19:47 <Lizmatic> stickers? aren't they like.. 5 cents? I wouldnt want you to waste your months paycheck, please
19:47 <TaZ> You're right, you'll need that for child support.
19:48 <Lizmatic> 5 cents for child support? idk how much your mom gave to support you but that aint enough :P
19:48 <Lizmatic> poor thing
19:48 <TaZ> Sorry, I wasn't spoiled like many kids today.  I see you were one of them. :D
19:49 <Lizmatic> yep, my mom gave me more than 5 cents.. i'm so spoiled
19:49 <Lizmatic> o/
19:49 <TaZ> Too she never taught you about..nvm
19:50 <Lizmatic> only a wimp goes back on his word
19:50 <TaZ> Then I'm a wimp
19:58 <Lucifer> TaZ: you're spewing hatred in this channel
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20:00 <TaZ> Lucifer: haha
20:01 <TaZ> As you can see, I tried to end the conversation.  I even tried making a nice conversation, but oh well.  I don't have time to argue with kids on the internet
20:02 <PinkTomato> on an #armagetron related note
20:02 <PinkTomato> A person has asked me for windows dedicated with armathentication
20:02 <PinkTomato> I'm prepared to compile them myself, but owuld rather use more professionally done
20:03 <PinkTomato> aabeta is 200803
20:06 <PinkTomato> Has any been done? forums etc?
20:10 <Lucifer> http://austin.craigslist.org/sof/981119903.html  <--- worst job programming posting
20:10 <Lucifer> TaZ: the difference between you an lizmatic is that she doesn't take it personally when I tell her she's spewing hatred all over the place ;)
20:10 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I don't have any idea if it's been done in a way that you're asking
20:11 <Lucifer> because you're basically asking for a release ;)
20:11 <TaZ> Lucifer: your humor is different, so it's hard to tell if you're serious or not. :p
20:11 <Lizmatic> it's hard to tell when you're 8, yes
20:11 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: That's true to be honest ;), OK, i'll do it myself :)
20:11 <Lucifer> not true, my 10 year old daughter can tell when I'm serious and not very well
20:12 <TaZ> Lizmatic, did I say you could talk?
20:12 <TaZ> :p
20:12 <Lizmatic> o_O
20:12 <Lizmatic> Since when do I need permission
20:12 <Lucifer> come to think of it, all of my kids do a good job calling me out on my bullshit
20:12 <Lizmatic> haha Luci
20:12 <Lizmatic> your kids are smarter than taz!
20:13 <Lizmatic> wait.. thats no hard accomplishment.. nvm..
20:13 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: well of course, look at their dad ;)
20:13 <TaZ> lol
20:13 <Lizmatic> :D
20:13 <Lizmatic> how old are your kids again?
20:15 <PinkTomato> Over 18 :P
20:15 <Lucifer> 5, 8, and 10
20:15 <TaZ> Lucifer is like 60
20:15 <Lizmatic> aw, nice
20:15 <Lizmatic> I'm due in 26 days..
20:15 <PinkTomato> aw  wow :), looking forward to it?
20:15 <Lucifer> oh yeah?  then you're going to have a 0-aged kid?
20:16 <Lizmatic> hopefully Luci :P
20:16 <Lizmatic> and yes I am!
20:16 <Lucifer> first kid?
20:16 <PinkTomato> :), no more bump :)
20:16 <Lizmatic> yep :)
20:16 <Lucifer> kids are so much fun :)
20:17 <Lucifer> if I had it to do all over again, I'd have had the same three kids with a different woman
20:17 <Lizmatic> agreed, women are not so much fun..
20:17 <Lizmatic> xD
20:17 <TaZ> lol
20:17 <Lucifer> oh no, women are very much fun, I must disagree with you there
20:17 <PinkTomato> Depends on the person
20:18 <BabyBug> Women = Lots of fun =D
20:18 <Lizmatic> BabyBug would know..
20:18  * Lizmatic coughs
20:18 <BabyBug> =)
20:18 <Lucifer> why?  Isn't BabyBug a 50 year old man pretending to be a young internet lesbian?
20:18 <TaZ> lolol
20:19 <BabyBug> Lucifer, damnit! you got me
20:19 <Lizmatic> no she's a beautiful young chick
20:19 <TaZ> K-Yo does Voodoo have an aim?
20:19 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I was fixing voodoo's camview
20:19 <Lucifer> before I got distracted looking for a job
20:19 <K-Yo> TaZ, I can't tell...
20:19 <TaZ> lol?
20:20 <Lizmatic> Voodoo isn't gay, TaZ
20:20 <K-Yo> TaZ, I don't use aim :P
20:20 <TaZ> AIM is the best
20:20 <TaZ> What about MSN?
20:20 <Lizmatic> um, MSN is the best
20:20 <TaZ> Uh no
20:20 <TaZ> MSN is for teh noobs
20:20 <Lucifer> fuck you all, xmpp is the best, and luke-jr knows it
20:20 <Lizmatic> compare AIM and MSNs interface..
20:20 <TaZ> That must be what old people use
20:21 <Lucifer> Lizmatic: do people really use those programs?
20:21 <TaZ> AIM is so much better..
20:21 <Lucifer> I thought the world had gone to programs like trillian
20:21 <Lizmatic> AIM is mostly used by Americans, Europeans use MSN
20:21 <Lucifer> and, er, the one I use
20:21 <Lucifer> whatever it's called
20:21 <Lucifer> kopete, that's it
20:21 <TaZ> MSN is just annoying to me
20:21 <Lizmatic> there are multi IM programs too
20:21 <Lizmatic> that support AIM+MSN+everything
20:21 <Lucifer> actually, American professionals use Yahoo!
20:22 <Lucifer> idiot american kids use AIM
20:22 <Lizmatic> Yahoo :| don't get me started
20:22 <Lucifer> look, anything that has AOL embedded in the name is inherently bad
20:22 <TaZ> Professionals you gmail
20:22 <Lucifer> gmail isn't an IM program
20:22 <Lucifer> it's a mail service
20:22 <TaZ> It has a messanging client within it, right?
20:22 <Lucifer> no
20:23 <Lizmatic> Myspace has an IM client too.. xD
20:23 <Lucifer> google offers an IM program
20:23 <Lucifer> based on xmpp
20:23 <TaZ> Myspace is for noobs too
20:23 <Lucifer> connects to the jabber network
20:23 <Lucifer> luke-jr loves it
20:23 <TaZ> ah
20:23 <epsy> TaZ, it is
20:23 <Lucifer> and being a professional, I've only ever been asked for a Yahoo! name, never a googletalk name
20:23 <Flex> what about msn?
20:23 <Lucifer> I'd love for googletalk to take over that role, because it hooks up to jabber and I can just use my jabber name
20:24 <TaZ> I hate MSN
20:24 <Lucifer> why?  the Borg are the best star trek villains ever!
20:24 <TaZ> epsy, for the TST, I'm going to have to review somethings.
20:24 <epsy> ok, have fun
20:24 <TaZ> Me and Killer are going to sign up for an American Sever.  I will screenshot
20:24 <epsy> I will too
20:25 <TaZ> haha ok
20:26 <Lizmatic> Flex: can I be in your ladle team?:D
20:26 <Flex> no
20:26 <Lizmatic> faggot
20:26 <TaZ> lolz
20:26 <epsy> TaZ, cna you hurry?
20:26 <TaZ> Oh, i'm waiting for killer
20:26 <Lizmatic> fine, I don't wanna be in your ladle team anyway!
20:26 <TaZ> I'll do it tonight
20:26 <epsy> ...
20:26 <TaZ> ..........
20:26 <epsy> why are you telling me about it now then?
20:27 <TaZ> To be on the lookout;D
20:27 <Flex> Lizmatic, answer my question and i'll answer yours!
20:27 <epsy> also, when is tonight?
20:27 <Lizmatic> what question? oO
20:27 <TaZ> Like maybeh 8:00 pm
20:27 <epsy> in 30 minutes?
20:28 <Lizmatic> oh.. no I'm not gonna move
20:28 <TaZ> -_-
20:28 <TaZ> EST time
20:28 <epsy> obviousely
20:28 <epsy> @calc 8:00 pm EST in GMT
20:28 <TaZ> which is 5 hours and 30 minuets away
20:28 <teabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:28 <epsy> don't rely on me then
20:28 <Lizmatic> Flex: I'm not gonna be on your ladle team now :( go screw yourself!
20:28 <TaZ> I won't
20:28 <TaZ> Lizmatic, aren't you two dating>
20:29 <Lizmatic> yes totally, so?
20:29 <TaZ> thats cool
20:29 <epsy> I've been bored in math class and reinvested that stupid min/max dating ages thing
20:30 <epsy> that stupid €100 calculator wont even let me accumulate stuff in the grapher
20:30 <Flex> how are we dating.. she has a boy friend
20:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Google's IM program is not XMPP
20:30 <Lizmatic> lmao
20:30 <epsy> let me guess, it's XMPP + extensions
20:31 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it's hooked into the jabber network...
20:31 <TaZ> o, I thought Flex was the stalker guy
20:31 <TaZ> nvm
20:31 <PinkTomato> Whatever is best, no one uses it
20:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: also, the IM program is built into Gmail too
20:31 <Flex> yeah.. i'm the stalker guy and who are you?
20:31 <luke-jr> epsy: no, it's proprietary
20:31 <TaZ> o
20:31 <Lucifer> I don't see it in my gmail interface
20:32 <epsy> that other stalker guy
20:32 <PinkTomato> so your forced to use the protocol, thankfully not the program of the client
20:32 <TaZ> I am TaZ
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yes, XMPP is supported on their servers
20:32 <TaZ> Nice to meet you
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: but their clients are strictly non-XMPP
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: try a different browser maybe
20:32 <Lizmatic> flex, taz is a bit mentally challenged.. don't mind him :)
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20:32 <TaZ> lmao
20:32 <epsy> it's a web-based IM application isn't it?
20:32 <luke-jr> epsy: there's both
20:32 <epsy> both?
20:33 <luke-jr> there's a web client in GMaail
20:33 <luke-jr> and Google Talk, a standalone Win32 app
20:33 <epsy> ah
20:34 <epsy> hrm
20:34 <TaZ> epsy, have you had a chance to mess with the Xperia X1 yet?
20:34 <epsy> no?
20:35 <TaZ> o
20:35 <epsy> p
20:35 <TaZ> se
20:36 <TaZ> Have you heard of it before?
20:36 <luke-jr> hey
20:36 <epsy> barely
20:36 <luke-jr> can I email someone here to make sure my email works? :þ
20:36 <epsy> luke-jr, epsy@jaim.at
20:36 <ct|kyle> TaZ: http://www.postimage.org/aV8J_cJ-99d7f0d2e4867550539ea87cd46553e5.png
20:37 <ct|kyle> or http://www.postimage.org/gx1o4jTi-99d7f0d2e4867550539ea87cd46553e5.png
20:37 <TaZ> I think you showed me that one
20:37 <epsy> but well, unless sony ericson starts using standardized ports(for headset etc), I'd rather avoid it
20:38 <TaZ> Yea, that's why I didn't like the Gphone
20:38 <TaZ> Ct|kyle, do you have his MSN?
20:39 <TaZ> I just posted it on my forums :P http://vcl-clan.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=762
20:39 <epsy> it almost sounds as if he had his first letter automatically capitalized
20:39 <z-man> Grr, DNS is broken, brb.
20:40 <luke-jr> epsy: u get it?
20:40 <epsy> I don't know yet; I have greylisting on that address :(
20:40 <ct|kyle> TaZ: not sure
20:41 <TaZ> ah
20:42 <z-man> grml, must be the router.
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20:42 <TaZ> wb
20:43 <PinkTomato> wb TaZ
20:44 <TaZ> :D
20:44 <Lucifer> z-man: fixed the camview, pushing in a minute
20:45 <Lucifer> I fixed it before I remembered to pull branch updates, heh
20:45 <epsy> luke-jr, blah, send it to my email from launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~epsy
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20:48 <z-man> Ah. Of course, now distcheck fails again. Joy :)
20:50 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: davefancella.com is down?
20:51 <PinkTomato> @title davefancella.com
20:51 <teabot> PinkTomato: Error: 'davefancella.com' is not a valid http url.
20:51 <PinkTomato> @title http://davefancella.com
20:51 <teabot> PinkTomato: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4096 bytes.
20:52 <epsy> @fetch http://davefancella.com
20:52 <Lucifer> wtf, is my internet off?
20:52 <teabot> epsy: '<html><body>It works!</body></html>\n'
20:52 <Lucifer> #ping
20:52 <@armabot> pong
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20:52 <Flex> who wants to join my ladle team? (lizmatic can't join)
20:52 <epsy> so you're going solo again?
20:53 <Flex> lol
20:53 <Flex> no
20:53 <epsy> can we even hear a word of it?
20:53 <Flex> there was no such team
20:53 <Flex> is
20:53 <luke-jr> epsy: u liar
20:54 <Flex> how about two x teams, though?
20:54 <epsy> luke-jr, hm?
20:54 <epsy> Flex, we're only 12 aren't we?
20:54 <luke-jr> epsy: u do not live in Antarctica!
20:54 <epsy> I do!
20:54 <luke-jr> LIAR
20:55 <epsy> Flex, well, that's a round 16, but half are inactive
20:55 <luke-jr> Cat5e does not work across that distance!
20:55 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: all is well now, at least for the .package downloads.
20:56 <epsy> brb
20:56 <TaZ> Flex
20:56 <TaZ> Let me join
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/Ball/dodgeball-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
20:59 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: armagetron-dedicated still runs after window closure.
21:01 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it does if you have signal amplifiers installed
21:02 <Lizmatic> flex isnt going to let you join, taz
21:03  * Lizmatic JOINS!
21:03 <TaZ> I was kidding smart one.  I don't even play Fortress that well
21:03 <Lizmatic> btw sav, appa told me he chose us for his team for a reason.. or something
21:03 <Lizmatic> i'm curious to hear what that is :P
21:04 <Lucifer> finally
21:04 <Lucifer> man, bzr doesn't work very well when the network breaks after you start running it
21:07 <Lucifer> is anybody else having problems with the forums?
21:07 <BabyBug> define problems
21:07 <PinkTomato> forums load within a second here
21:08 <BabyBug> now i'm getting Internal Server Error
21:08 <Lucifer> when I post, I get a 500 Internal
21:08 <Lucifer> yeah, that
21:08 <Lucifer> guru3: ping
21:08 <BabyBug> when i clicked onto the second page of a thread..
21:09 <guru3> Lucifer: pong
21:09 <Lucifer> problems with the forums?
21:09  * PinkTomato is now suffering forum difficulties
21:09 <Lucifer> we're getting internal server errors
21:09 <guru3> not that i'm aware of
21:09 <Lucifer> are you fooling with the forums right now?
21:09 <guru3> no
21:09 <Lucifer> hmmmm
21:09 <PinkTomato> it happened like 4 minutes ago
21:09 <Lucifer> they're hosted on sourceforge now, right?  or is that just the main site?
21:09 <PinkTomato> it was fine
21:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8754 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am: Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make distcheck'.
21:10  * Lucifer thinks the root of all problems is sourceforge
21:10 <guru3> the mainsite and the forums are hosted on the same server
21:10 <Lizmatic> I get an error as well
21:10 <guru3> off of sourceforge
21:10 <PinkTomato> i have 404.
21:10 <PinkTomato> on trying to use an errordocument
21:10 <Lucifer> we just have bad release karma, we always have a problem when we're having a release, but never when we're not
21:10 <PinkTomato> forum loaded :S
21:11 <PinkTomato> it's not everytime
21:11 <Lucifer> happens to me whenever I post
21:11 <guru3> something's cocked up with the mailserver
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21:12 <guru3> causing too many processes to run
21:12 <Lucifer> ah, email notifications ;)
21:12 <guru3> i'll go find out what's happening now
21:12 <guru3> in the meantime
21:12 <guru3> stop posting shit
21:15 <Lucifer> er, oops
21:15  * Lucifer just posted again
21:22 <Lucifer> heh, why hasn't teabot told us about my newest commits?  :/
21:23 <epsy> on what branch?
21:24 <epsy> or rather, what revision numbers?
21:25 <Lucifer> 0.3.1
21:25 <Lucifer> wait, did it say something while I was timing out a little while ago?
21:25 <epsy> r754 ?
21:25 <guru3> i've put in a support ticket
21:25 <guru3> it seems they've screwed up the mail server
21:26 <Lizmatic> epsy: puuqui posted about the language thing on like 5 different arma forums............
21:26 <guru3> which is causing postdrop and sendmail proceeses to queue up, spanwed by php's mail fucntion
21:26 <Lucifer> I was actually concerned about r753, I just did r754
21:26 <epsy> Lizmatic, and you didn't even listen to me
21:26 <guru3> that hits a process limit, which causes php.cgi to be killed sometimes in the middle of processing your requests
21:26 <z-man> yay, distcheck works again.
21:26 <Lizmatic> epsy: about?
21:26 <Lucifer> z-man: I'm loving bzr right now :)
21:27 <epsy> [22:30] <Lizmatic>: you're just scared of the racist witch hunters, thats fine
21:27 <epsy> [22:31] <epsy>: until now your error is human and acceptable..do not run off the borders, please
21:27 <epsy> [22:36] <epsy>: do you understand the guideline now?
21:27 <epsy> [22:42] <epsy>: Lizmatic: ping
21:27 <epsy> [23:55] <epsy>: Lizmatic...
21:27 <epsy> [23:55] <epsy>: It has been one hour since I asked you. Please answer NOW.
21:27 <z-man> Understandable :)
21:27  * Lucifer considers testing autopackage building again, now that he's merged epsy's version stuff
21:27 <Lizmatic> lloll
21:27 <Lucifer> ooo, epsy, spammer!
21:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, cockpit fixed yet? :P
21:28 <Lucifer> BabyBug: afaik, PinkTomato (hi there!) told me it was working fine for him
21:28 <epsy> can you also link your 5 different forums?
21:28 <Lucifer> what's it doing wrong for you?
21:28 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Oh..it's erm...just not loading...
21:28 <BabyBug> Same as the first time
21:28 <BabyBug> no cockpit..with that 404 thingy
21:29 <Lucifer> hmmm, so I need to rebuild and test again and make sur ethe problem stayed fixed
21:29 <PinkTomato> same here, sorry, i didn't make clear, tested dedicated
21:29 <epsy> P4, why not also @x/member ?
21:30 <Lucifer> ok, starting another autopackage build
21:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: what was the link for standard? All Beta Testign posts are unaccessiable,
21:30 <teabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r758 Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed server compilation.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed more warnings.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] Fixed unused
21:30  * P4 ?
21:31 <PinkTomato> oh OK, I'll wait for the new build
21:31 <epsy> http://crazy-tronners.com/p4/commands.php
21:31 <Flex> PinkTomato, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Cockpits_list#Essential_Remix check that out!
21:31 <PinkTomato> lol, that is minimal flex  xD
21:31 <Lucifer> z-man: it doesn't look like bzr preserves branch history information when it's merged
21:32 <Flex> perfect
21:32 <P4> epsy: what do you mean?
21:32 <Lucifer> so luke-jr's concern is there, there won't be a history stored in svn of the 0.3.1 branch
21:32 <epsy> P4, for your 'xers' command
21:32 <PinkTomato> I think circular bars around you and everyone would be sweet
21:32 <P4> yes, i have to add looking within the authenticated
21:32 <Lucifer> you don't think they'd look too much like pretentious halos?
21:33 <PinkTomato> hmm... maybe :D
21:33 <PinkTomato> Loads of games do that anyway I guess :)
21:34 <PinkTomato> Oh, wrtl's cockpit does that, just remebered, except not halos, straight lines
21:34 <Flex> yeah
21:34 <PinkTomato> I use that cockpit generally :)
21:34 <Flex> i tried that.. but couldn't add it for some reason, then i gave up for fps issues
21:35 <Lucifer> does what?
21:35 <epsy> heh yeah, it would be neat if you could put stuff on the floor
21:35 <PinkTomato> Ooo, I wonder how well a beat would work
21:35 <PinkTomato> like, it would beat strongly when rubber is nearly out
21:36 <Flex> hmm, how would the beat look like? a circle hud that increases in size is possible.. i think
21:36  * Lucifer wants the cockpit to put bubbles in the air with player name and speed and then draw a line to the cycle it's referring to
21:36 <Lucifer> (and only do it for cycles that are real close)
21:36 <PinkTomato> hehe Lucifer :)
21:36 <Lucifer> ping too, that should be in the bubble
21:37 <Flex> interesting
21:37 <PinkTomato> is that possible in the XML?
21:37 <PinkTomato> (current state)
21:37 <Lucifer> no
21:38 <PinkTomato> wrtl's does something similar though?
21:38 <Flex> it's pretty much exactly like wrtlprnft bar, but with speed
21:38 <Lucifer> ?
21:38 <Flex> the other stuff, don't think it's possible
21:38 <Lucifer> maybe he has added something like that and I just don't know about it?  ;)
21:38  * Lucifer hasn't been keeping up with developments in awhile
21:38 <PinkTomato> I think it works on all cycles
21:38 <PinkTomato> not just the close ones,
21:38 <PinkTomato> so I think you would want to add distance,
21:40 <Flex> anyway, i'll stick with my minimalistic cockpit, thanks! who cares about those info
21:40 <Lizmatic> I glanced at the screen and thought you said mini cock
21:42 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/oatmeal.png
21:42 <PinkTomato> looks like that lucifer
21:42 <Lucifer> oh, I think I vaguely remember him saying he was fooling with that
21:43  * Lucifer thinks the cockpit is the most advanced code in the project right now, heh
21:43 <PinkTomato> I think I'll look into it myself actually :)
21:43 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Then add more complicated code and add multiple floors to arma!
21:44 <PinkTomato> use one map, have three areas, locked out. Use teleport someone made. Isn't that the same function?
21:44 <Flex> i tried to add that, i never managed it to work, i think it was because of my dtd or version (z-man's 2006 release of 3.0.0 or something)
21:45 <PinkTomato> Wrtl added a new windows build, might work in that if you use windows
21:46 <Flex> yeah, it worked on that. i think
21:46 <Lucifer> is teleport in zones v2?
21:47 <epsy> probably not
21:47 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: do you happen to know if he built it off 0.3.1 or trunk?
21:47 <Lucifer> well, philippe's plan for supporting multiple areas was to use a teleport mechanism
21:47 <PinkTomato> The windows build? afaik, it is the trunk r8697(if memory is right)
21:48 <PinkTomato> or 8967 if that makes more sense
21:48 <PinkTomato> is zones v2 complete?
21:49 <Lucifer> oh, he's building out of svn then
21:49 <Lucifer> zones v2 is complete and in 0.3.1
21:50 <PinkTomato> I tried using the long long example on the wiki, didn't seem to have it
21:50 <@armabot> 0.3.1: dave@davefancella.com r754: Merged from trunk || dave@davefancella.com r753: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview. || dave@davefancella.com r752: Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview were rendered in that camview.
21:50 <Lucifer> hmmm, I could be wrong about it, it may only be partially complete
21:51 <PinkTomato> well the example on the wiki is annyoying, it says this is the code: and then says this is what you need to change to make it work:
21:51 <epsy> @help 0.3.1
21:51 <teabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "0.3.1".
21:52 <PinkTomato> @aawikis zones v2
21:52 <epsy> #help 0.3.1
21:52 <@armabot> epsy: (0.3.1 [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for 0.3.1 at the RSS feed <http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/rss.py>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
21:52 <teabot> PinkTomato: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Zones_v2 - Zones v2 - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
21:53 <epsy> I could move armacommits&co to armabot as well
21:54 <Lucifer> epsy: it would be nice to have only one bot reporting this stuff ;)
21:54 <Lucifer> it looks like they're both more or less in sync with what they say
21:54 <epsy> well, it will still report it twice for branches that are synced
21:55 <P4> #si wild sumo
21:55 <@armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Sumo: Players (5/10): ( (P4@ct), ~|DS|~G5, ~|DS|~|Alien|~ (alien@ct), ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ~|DS|~|Hype|~
21:55 <P4> i need respawner! :þ
21:55 <epsy> respawn?
21:55 <P4> come to my team quick! :D
21:55 <P4> `round beggins soon
21:56 <P4> damn, they all left…
21:58 <epsy> @announce
21:58 <teabot> epsy: armacommits, xclanaarepo, armablah, vectroncommits, armaannounce, and tstnews
21:58 <epsy> #announce
21:58 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:58 <epsy> #rss announce
21:58 <@armabot> epsy: sty+ct, 0.3.1, fts_feedback, lpbugs, and sty
21:59 <epsy> #rss announce armacommits armaannounce armablah
21:59 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
21:59 <@armabot> armablah: Armagetron !!!!! - Game Podunk || I’m Not Going To Stumble On About Idealism « Play Fortress || Armagetron || Registration is now open « Blog Archive « TST » Team Sumo Tournament || the next level « Play Fortress || Twenty-Oh-Eight, the Fortress Year in Review « Play Fortress || Halfbakery: Protron || Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem || 12.08 club-ubuntu WAN party « a psychopath and a p
21:59 <epsy> @rss announce --remove armacommits armaannounce armablah
21:59 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.3.1] r754 Merged from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r758 Fixed fake memory leak report (finally!) and hopefully 'make... || [0.3.1] r753 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [0.3.1] r752 Fixed bug where any cockpit widgets listed after a camview w... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r757 Automatic merging of commits that would change history order... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r756 F
21:59 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
21:59 <epsy> guess sty+ct and 0.3.1 feeds are now obsolete
21:59 <epsy> @sty+ct
22:00 <epsy> #sty+ct
22:00 <@armabot> epsy: kyle r648: Adding ADMIN_COMMAND to LadderLog || kyle r647: Adding INVALID_COMMAND to ladderlog || kyle r646: Adding the following Shooting deaths; DEATH_SHOT_FRAG, DEATH_SHOT_SUICIDE, and DEATH_SHOT_TEAMKILL to ladderlog || voodoo r645: add SET_PLAYER_TEAM || Ed Amos r644: voodoo's suggested fix to stop players being selected by their user id. caused problems if a player was named "8" or (5 more messages)
22:00 <epsy> #rss announce --remove sty+ct 0.3.1 sty
22:00 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
22:01 <epsy> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/pqm/trunk
22:01 <epsy> that's some..clean branch
22:02 <epsy> #list bugtracker
22:02 <@armabot> epsy: Error: 'bugtracker' is not a valid plugin.
22:02 <epsy> @tea
22:02 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:02 <epsy> anyone?
22:03 <epsy> or team sumo also
22:03 <luke-jr> LP is insane
22:03 <luke-jr> how the heck do you add a team?
22:04 <epsy> registereing stuff is always complicated on it, heh
22:04 <luke-jr> I can't find a link!
22:04 <epsy> from the homepage
22:04 <luke-jr> speaking of which, is it possible to give commit access to a repository without a team?
22:04 <epsy> under "Start here"
22:04 <epsy> to a repository?
22:05 <luke-jr> yeah
22:05 <luke-jr> like in my +junk
22:05 <epsy> you can't give commit access to anyone else as yourself in your +junk
22:05 <PinkTomato> zones v2 errors for test file on wiki: http://pastebin.com/d473c065e
22:05 <epsy> and well, that's a branch
22:06 <epsy> and yes, you can, just put it under your "home folder"
22:06 <Lucifer> that pqg looks very interesting
22:06 <epsy> Lucifer, lp:~you/project/branchname
22:06 <epsy> luke-jr,
22:06 <epsy> Lucifer, pqm ?
22:06 <luke-jr> epsy: wtf?
22:06 <Lucifer> yeah, that
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22:06 <Lucifer> luke-jr: anybody can register a branch for the project
22:06 <epsy> the software or the branch? hehe
22:07 <luke-jr> yeah
22:07 <luke-jr> but I mean like havign a central branch
22:07 <epsy> you can still go under your project, click code and click register a branch
22:07 <epsy> it will guide you
22:08 <epsy> (you aren't forced to register a branch before pushing to it, btw)
22:08 <Lucifer> isn't "central branch" a bit of an oxymoron?
22:08 <epsy> :)
22:08 <epsy> Lucifer, call it release branch
22:09 <epsy> a bit like pqm's trunk
22:09 <epsy> (which I am considering for my possibly upcoming arma repo)
22:11 <epsy> @tea
22:11 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
22:11 <epsy> brmpf
22:11 <epsy> nex
22:13 <Lucifer> oops, I just accidentally deleted the autopackages I'd built, haha
22:14 <PinkTomato> undelete!
22:15 <z-man> Lucifer: You're wrong, I'm quite sure. You can still recover every individual revision from the merged branch.
22:15 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: the ones on my webserver
22:16 <PinkTomato> ah
22:16 <Lucifer> I guess I'll stop the currently building ones, up the alpha number, and build two new ones
22:16 <PinkTomato> you need copies of the old ones though?
22:17 <Lucifer> z-man: I hope not.  luke-jr was offering to hand-sync the bzr branch to svn, and I can't think of a more entertaining way to waste his time than that
22:17 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: nah, I'll just throw up a new alpha in an hour or so
22:17 <z-man> I also can't think of a more sure-fire way to mess our repository up.
22:17 <luke-jr> z-man: not that I can tell
22:18 <Lucifer> well, he'd be syncing it to some new place, not to the trunk
22:18 <Lucifer> z-man: hey, have you seen this pqm project epsy just linked us to?
22:20 <Lucifer> checking CXXFLAGS for gcc -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway... -nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway
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22:23 <z-man> pqm?
22:23 <z-man> oh, come on, why does everybody notice that test?
22:24 <z-man> Also, I really checked. Do a bzr log --show-ids. Pick one revision ID.
22:24 <z-man> Then, to bzr pull --overwrite -r revid:<that ID>.
22:25 <z-man> And you'll get the exact state of the source tree at the time of committing that revision.
22:25 <Lucifer> z-man: everybody notices that test because it's really long in the configure output :)
22:27 <Lucifer> why do I keep getting random build failures?  :/
22:27 <epsy> Lucifer, what's with it btw?
22:28 <Lucifer> epsy: I had it fail on the particle library
22:28 <Lucifer> while building the server
22:28 <Lucifer> it hasn't failed on that in a long time
22:29 <Lucifer> tar: armagetronad-armagetronad_alpha_z806_20090106/src/thirdparty/particles/ParticleDLL/ParticleState.cpp: file name is too long (max 99); not dumped
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22:29 <Lucifer> um, why is the tarball being named that?
22:29 <Lucifer> it's supposed to be 0.3.1_alpha2
22:29 <Lucifer> epsy: WHAT DID YOU DO TO IT???
22:29 <Lucifer> ;)
22:32 <z-man> somebody changed minor_version :)
22:32 <z-man> also, that tar error isn't to worry about, I think. Unless it stops there.
22:33 <Lucifer> yes, ti stops there
22:33 <z-man> odd, it never did for me.
22:33 <Lucifer> I changed minor version to .1_alpha2
22:34 <Lucifer> ok, so how am I supposed to configure the version with epsy's new version stuff?
22:34  * Lucifer had a feeling he shouldn't have merged from the trunk
22:35 <luke-jr> XD
22:35 <z-man> Anyway, back to revision history. How is it not saved?
22:35 <z-man> (it's not fully mirrored to svn. Sure. That bit I understand.)
22:35 <luke-jr> z-man: afaik, the merge back to trunk will be a single commit
22:35 <Lucifer> epsy: ping pong
22:36 <z-man> only in svn, and only if it's a single merge.
22:36 <z-man> We can do as many merges as we want.
22:36 <Lucifer> epsy: I have to run off for a bit, please read your backbuffer.  ;)  make distcheck fails because a file can't get put in because it's too long
22:36 <Lucifer> epsy: I need to be able to set the version number, how do I do that with your new version numbering script?
22:37 <Lucifer> that merge issue doesn't just exist for 0.3.1, though
22:37 <Lucifer> I'm going to branch in a bit when I'm ready for sound engine work, and I'm not going to merge back to the trunk until it's finished(tm)
22:38  * Lucifer still isn't worried about it, but would prefer to have the history from svn moved to bzr somehow
22:38  * Lucifer is ready to give up svn, we've tested bzr a lot.  ;)
22:38 <z-man> the other way round, certainly?
22:39 <Lucifer> z-man: no, I mean moving svn history to bzr so we can have our history all in bzr and stop using svn entirely, complete migration
22:39 <Lucifer> completely disowning sourceforge's svn services
22:40 <z-man> Ah, that may be a tad difficult. Impossible even if you want all merges to appear like bzr merges.
22:40 <luke-jr> afaik, svn≥bzr is lossy
22:40 <luke-jr> bzr does not track copies
22:40 <z-man> And svn does not track merges.
22:40 <Lucifer> svn doesn't really do copies, it deletes the file and adds it
22:40 <luke-jr> …
22:40 <luke-jr> svn does do copies
22:41 <Lucifer> we can always wave our hands and say "if you want to know about history before this point, go here"
22:41 <z-man> it doesn't do moves :)
22:41 <Lucifer> which, I guess, it what we're saying
22:41 <Lucifer> oh right, moves, heh
22:41  * Lucifer has to run, bbiab
22:42 <luke-jr> bzr-svn should gain these things over time I think
22:42 <z-man> Well, unlikely. bzr's and svn's feature sets just don't overlap completely.
22:43 <z-man> bzr-svn is doing stuff that's close to magic with the parts that do overlap, but it can't get merges over from svn to bzr for lack of metainformation
22:44 <z-man> I'm leaning towards saying what lucifer said: bzr history starts at point X. svn history stops at point Y > X. If you want anything before X, check SVN. If you want anything after Y, check bzr.
22:45 <z-man> We can get the complete history into bzr if we restart the trunk branch
22:45 <z-man> and if you manage to do some magic to get the bump at point X away that made bzr-svn think our history started there.
22:46 <z-man> (It was philipe deleting EVERYTHING and then copying EVERYTHING to . from one revision ago)
22:46 <z-man> But still, history won't be in one bzr branch like it would be if we had used bzr right from the start.
22:47 <z-man> we'd still have to tell people they have to fetch all the detailed stuff happening in 0.2.8 from the 0.2.8 branch.
22:47 <z-man> (or svn)
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22:58 <Lucifer> grrr
22:58 <PinkTomato> ?
22:59 <Lucifer> wait a minute, did epsy add the bzr stuff?  is that what he did to the version script?
23:02 <Lucifer> z-man: just curious, but what was the rational behind having the major_version and minor_version files in the first place?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: would there theorethically be a way to “backport” 0.3.1 to a svn branch so you could do 0.3.1→trunk merges from both RCS'?
23:03 <z-man> Lucifer: yes, he added the bzr stuff.
23:04 <z-man> And the rationale about the files was that the version was built from them so it didn't have to get hacked into the relevant files.
23:04 <Lucifer> ok, it looks like one of the problems with the naming I'm having is that the directory I have it in isn't named as he expected it to be in the script
23:04 <z-man> The files predate our move to automake.
23:04 <Lucifer> well, I'm wondering why that instead of a single file that gets loaded with the . operator
23:04 <z-man> There was no particular reason for that.
23:04 <Lucifer> right, I remember you wanting to keep those files during that move to keep compatible with a stable branch at the time
23:05 <Lucifer> so, do we have to keep using them now?  ;)
23:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: we're not doing that because merges from both rcses don't mix.
23:05 <z-man> Lucifer: no :)
23:05 <wrtlprnft> that's why i said theorethically
23:05 <z-man> They don't mix even theoretically :)
23:06 <Lucifer> bzr is an antiproton
23:06 <Lucifer> or it mixes antiprotons into its merges, something like that
23:06 <z-man> Lucifer: that is, major_verstion probably needs to stay, or how would we know a build from the trunk should be called?
23:07 <z-man> What we can do is get 0.3.1 into svn and still do all merges in bzr. That would work.
23:07 <Lucifer> I was thinking of pulling the variables listed out of the version script and sticking them into a config file and considering making it so configure can write that file
23:07 <wrtlprnft> grml, i'll have to figure out how to do bzr windows builds anyways
23:07 <Lucifer> z-man: I'm only willing to do *that* if we left it as a chore for luke-jr.  ;)
23:07 <wrtlprnft> i liked tortoise?v?, though
23:08 <z-man> Yeah, there's not really such a thing for bzr.
23:08  * z-man anticipates a "why do you hate windows" thread for that any point
23:08 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: hey, can you, whenever you start that, after you run makedist.bat, can you zip up the directories it makes and put them where I can download it?
23:09 <Lucifer> there's a tortoiseBzr, isn't there?
23:09 <z-man> oh, indeed.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> what directories does it make? any besides dist/?
23:09 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: the batch files still don't run in wine's cmd interpreter
23:09 <Lucifer> I don't know
23:09 <Lucifer> I'm tempted to rewrite the batch files in python, except for python.bat of course
23:10 <wrtlprnft> great
23:10 <Lucifer> but first I need to figure out why epsy's bzr stuff doesn't work for me ;)
23:10 <wrtlprnft> to download tortoisebzr you need a working bzr client.
23:10 <z-man> heh :)
23:10 <Lucifer> there's two commandline clients available, one that appears to use py2exe to build and one that installs into python
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23:11 <wrtlprnft> errm, what's so complicated about our bat scripts?
23:11 <Lucifer> nothing, they just don't run in wine's command interpreter
23:11 <Lucifer> they cause a segfault, it's not the fault of the bat scripts, it's the fault of wine
23:11 <wrtlprnft> is it really that bad?
23:11 <Lucifer> well, yes and no, I want to build the game in wine
23:12 <Lucifer> I haven't determined how hard I'm willing to work to do it, so don't put yourself out on my account :)
23:12 <z-man> Umm, by the way, there's another problem with epsy's extensions:
23:12 <z-man> they don't produce proper source tarballs.
23:12 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i haven't got any open windows right now (it's night after all), but i'll do it tomorrow
23:13 <z-man> Well, they do, but the tarball won't build into anything with a correct version.
23:13 <Lucifer> heh
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23:13 <Lucifer> I'm getting a tarball with the name armagetronad-armagetronad_alpha_zSOMENUMBERS
23:13 <wrtlprnft> stupid releases RCS clients and build system should be mandatory for everyone!
23:14 <wrtlprnft> s/releases/releases!/
23:15 <Lucifer> is epsy trying to encode the revision number into the version?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> like we haven't got enough version number digits already
23:17 <Lucifer> hey, we should switch to binary versions
23:17 <Lucifer> so our next release would be 0.11.10
23:17 <Lucifer> which is read aloud as "oh point three point two", of course
23:18  * Lucifer hates shell scripts
23:18 <wrtlprnft> no, please do floating point versions represented as binary
23:18 <Lucifer> any objections to me rewriting all of our shell scripts as python scripts?  ;)
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23:19 <Lucifer> but, version numbers are just integers chained together with periods so they look like floats, but aren't really....
23:19 <wrtlprnft> that way we can have as many leading zeroes as we could conceivably want without any additional overhead
23:19 <Lucifer> why don't we just use, say, 3 16-bit binary numbers and chain them together with a byte that contains the ASCII code for the period?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> bah, like we had the resources to get any two-digit number between any two dots
23:20 <Lucifer> the universe would implode when luke-jr and I started arguing that issue
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: right now you can build a usable version of arma on windows without python
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23:20 <wrtlprnft> it just has to download stuff from the central resource repo on first start
23:20 <Lucifer> well, I want to get all the way to where I can build a distribution with wine
23:21 <Lucifer> and would prefer not to get sidetracked dealing with batch files that don't necessarily have to be batch files
23:21 <Lucifer> or could be supplemented with shell scripts, or whatever
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i've got python, i don't care
23:22  * wrtlprnft still wants to have arma running on cmake one day
23:22 <Lucifer> heh, knock yourself out :)
23:22 <wrtlprnft> probably wouldn't even be too hard if you just dod basic runnable builds
23:22 <Lucifer> I'll support just about any effort to get us the hell off automake right now, but that's probably not a rational position for me to take
23:23 <Lucifer> I got to runnable builds with scons, where I snagged was in installing, uninstalling, and building distributions
23:23 <wrtlprnft> especially since automake is used by only one of the three platforms we support right now
23:23 <Lucifer> we get that stuff for free with automake :/
23:23 <Lucifer> oh yeah, we're in the same place with this, wrtlprnft (hi there!) , just you prefer cmake and I prefer scons, but I'll be happy to work with cmake ;)
23:24 <epsy> as long as we can add a file without summonning 3 other devs..
23:24 <wrtlprnft> hehe
23:24 <epsy> Lucifer, I'm on it
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, you could in theory edit the windows project, it's not all that hard
23:24 <epsy> copy src/tTrueVersion.h to src/tFakeVersion.h
23:24 <Lucifer> epsy: so I can quit trying to decipher this thing they call a language but really isn't?  (bash)
23:24 <wrtlprnft> it's a prettyprinted XML file
23:25 <epsy> and edit the values in there
23:25 <epsy> while I test if it actually works
23:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: i have the same feeling with french
23:25 <wrtlprnft> (don't read my last line epsy)
23:25 <Lucifer> heh, now that you mention it, french and bash look very similar
23:25 <epsy> do not bomb me!
23:25 <Lucifer> or is the just an impression because I'm reading bash written by epsy?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> i only complained about the hardness of your language is all
23:26 <epsy> Lucifer, what's so difficult about it?
23:26  * wrtlprnft thinks it's way more difficult to learn than english
23:26 <Lucifer> it's not difficult, it's just largely nonsensical (bash)
23:26 <epsy> bash, not french
23:27 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:27 <Lucifer> it's very much like french in that the most letters are used to express the least amount of thought,
23:27 <Lucifer> while great big thoughts are expressed with a very few letters
23:27 <Lucifer> compare:
23:27 <Lucifer> if test "$tagtype" = Tv;
23:27 <Lucifer> DATE=`echo $tag | sed -e "s,\...\...\...\$,," | sed -e "s,\.,,g"`
23:28 <epsy> I wished I had a bzr metadata or smth function..
23:28 <wrtlprnft> i think the way too many diffent kinds of brackets and their meanings are confusing, although python people are probably used to that
23:28 <epsy> I personally hate parsing stdout..
23:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: to protect bash, there's just very little of it in there
23:29 <Lucifer> ?  are we about to have a philosophical discussion on what constitutes the "bash language"?  ;)
23:29 <wrtlprnft> you can do a surprising amount of stuff in bash without invoking external commands like sed
23:29 <wrtlprnft> even write a web server
23:30 <wrtlprnft> (though it gets more efficient if it contains a single call to netcat)
23:30 <Lucifer> while that's technically true, keep in mind a lot of bash builtins started life as external commands
23:30 <wrtlprnft> most of the stuff one keeps using cat and sed and echo for can done within bash
23:30 <Lucifer> that is true
23:30 <wrtlprnft> err, print i mean
23:31 <Lucifer> in fact, I had a script several years ago that used a lot of sed, and when I removed the sed calls and replaced with bash builtins, it sped up quite a bit
23:31 <wrtlprnft> for example, bash has an (admittedly weird) syntax for replacements that make sed mostly obsolete
23:31 <@armabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0. Free Full Game for Mac - Demo ...
23:31 <Lucifer> for what most people use sed for
23:31 <Lucifer> remembering, of course, that sed is intended to operate on files :)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
23:32 <Lucifer> so using it to do replacements in variables by chaining together with pipes is kinda bad
23:32 <wrtlprnft> but 99% of the time it gets called with a single line as stdin
23:32 <Lucifer> and is captured as the value of a variable, or stuck in a single line file to be used later ;)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> just saying that it's not bash's fault that people use sed for everything
23:33 <Lucifer> agreeing, completely :)
23:33 <wrtlprnft> anyways
23:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:33 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:33 <Lucifer> although, too much reliance on bash means scripts that don't run in certain other shells
23:33 <Lucifer> heh, 'night
23:33 <wrtlprnft> (we'd better stop at the point where we agree)
23:34 <Lucifer> :)
23:41 <epsy> now wtf is this nobodyreadsconfigureoutputanyway thing?
23:42 <epsy> right, that seems to work
23:44 <epsy> Lucifer, pushed to trunk
23:45 <epsy> blah, typo
23:45 <epsy> too late I guess
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23:49 <K-Yo> I do read it!
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23:54 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8755 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am): epsy: allow creating src/tFakeVersion.h to override automatic version lable creating
23:55 <z-man> Lucifer: the tar problem is that automake passes the -o option to tar.
23:55 <z-man> which creates an old archive with limitations.
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23:58 <z-man> Apparently, one can change that.

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