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Log from 2009-01-04:
--- Day changed Sun Jan 04 2009
00:00 <PinkTomato> Corn: probably someone here hates 7-zip, but that work's me
00:00 <Corn> come again? that work's me?
00:00 <PinkTomato> 7-Zip works with tat
00:00 <PinkTomato> tar*
00:00 <Corn> k
00:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, works fine here \o/ apart from some resource thingy that appeared
00:00 <Lucifer> why are you trying to decompress a tar file in windows, anyway?
00:01 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: same here
00:01 <BabyBug> (even with my ftgl version)
00:01 <Lucifer> well cool, wow, that's great
00:01  * Lucifer wasn't expecting it to work
00:01 <PinkTomato> well, the only thing is the wierd 404 message
00:01 <PinkTomato> on local game
00:02 <PinkTomato> but that might be due to non-superuser install
00:02 <Lucifer> I think that's been there for a little while, hasn't it?
00:02 <Corn> fuxed up your client with a patch
00:02 <Corn> ?
00:02 <Lucifer> there were some resources that couldn't be put in the source tarball, too, for some crazy reason
00:02 <Lucifer> it might be one of those
00:03  * Lucifer wonders if he can build rpms in kubuntu
00:03 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't have any gfx...ermm..by that i mean, no fps, no brake/rubber meters etc =(
00:03 <Lucifer> ahhh, cockpit problem
00:03 <Lucifer> probably related to that 404 you got
00:03 <PinkTomato> same here
00:04 <PinkTomato> there's more than one 404
00:04 <PinkTomato> related to resource.mod
00:04 <Lucifer> I'll look at it in a bit, I didn't personally test the package because my computer started building the server package right away
00:04 -!- CruZ [n=cruzer@p57AF427B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []
00:04 <Lucifer> but the important part of it is that it installed and ran :)
00:05 <Lucifer> now, does it uninstall?  (It should, autopackage is good about that)
00:06 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes except it outputs this
00:06 <BabyBug> rmdir: failed to remove `/var/games/armagetronad': No such file or directory
00:06 <Lucifer> heh
00:06 <BabyBug> but it actually uninstalls fine :P
00:06 <Lucifer> that's a problem with configure options
00:06 <PinkTomato> what's the command?
00:06 <BabyBug> sudo package uninstall armagetronad
00:07 <Lucifer> sudo isn't necessary if you didn't install it system-wide
00:07 <PinkTomato> The program 'package' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
00:07 <PinkTomato> sudo apt-get install mailagent
00:07 <PinkTomato> ubuntu obviously makes a lot of sense..
00:07 <Lucifer> try it without sudo
00:07 <PinkTomato> that was without sudo ;)
00:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it asks for the root password when you try to install it normally...
00:07 <Lucifer> you installed it to your home directory, so the support code probably got put there too
00:07 <Lucifer> oh, heh
00:07 <BabyBug> The only option you get is to install it system wide
00:07 <Lucifer> BabyBug: yes, but there's a button to say "No password"
00:07 <BabyBug> Oh
00:07 <BabyBug> woops
00:07 <BabyBug> my bad
00:08 <Lucifer> and if you click that, it installs to your home directory ;)
00:08 <luke-jr> anyone know how to mirror wrtl's PHP client into bzr world?
00:08 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
00:08 <PinkTomato> http://dessert.ath.cx/arma1.png && http://dessert.ath.cx/arma2.png
00:08 <z-man> Lucifer: I tested the passwordless installation, works fine.
00:08 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: check your application menu for add/remove programs entry
00:09 <z-man> I also get a 404, it tries to download the cockpit dtd.
00:09 <Lucifer> that explains why the cockpit doesn't work ;)
00:09 <BabyBug> fix plox
00:09 <BabyBug> =x
00:09 <BabyBug> hehe
00:10 <Lucifer> heh, I'll get it, mannnnnnnnnn
00:10 <luke-jr> z-man: would you mind adding wrtl's PHP client to the bzr mirroring? ;)
00:10 <z-man> The included dtd is named cockpit-.dtd
00:10 <BabyBug> sure you will, gurrrrrrrrrrrl
00:10 <Lucifer> the task right now is to have someone besides z-man able to build a release
00:10 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did not work
00:10 <Lucifer> not necessarily to build the release ;)
00:10 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: I'm sorry I threw an autopackage at you when I don't really know much about autopackage as a user ;)
00:11 <PinkTomato> lol :D
00:11 <Lucifer> (and as a developer, I only know marginally more)
00:11 <z-man> Oh wait, it's resource.dtd that's missing
00:11 <PinkTomato> i'll figure it out, I truly doubt its mailagent i need though
00:11  * luke-jr notes that release DTDs need versions.
00:11 <Lucifer> no, package should isntall with the autopackage support code
00:11 <z-man> luke-jr: bingo.
00:11 <luke-jr> z-man: I think you forgot to unignore me ;(
00:11 <luke-jr> oh
00:11 <z-man> the included resource.dtd is versioned.
00:11 <luke-jr> z-man: about mirroring wrtl's PHP client? :/
00:12 <z-man> depends on its path.
00:12 <z-man> where is it?
00:12 <PinkTomato> its in private
00:12 <luke-jr> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft
00:12 <luke-jr> unfortuantely, it lacks a subdir of its own :/
00:12 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft hasn't made his own bzr branch for his private stuff yet?
00:12 <luke-jr> maybe he wouldn't mind moving it a little
00:12 <Lucifer> er, oops, neither have I
00:13 <Lucifer> well, I have a dedicated server autopackage too
00:13 <z-man> I'll definitely not create a branch for his whole private stuff
00:13 <z-man> that will get messy later.
00:13 <luke-jr> all 380 KB of his private stuff ;)
00:14 <Lucifer> hey, if somebody can figure out how to replace a mouse button switch with a switch controlled by a bicycle speed sensor,
00:14 <z-man> it's not that :) it's a question of organization.
00:14 <Lucifer> then I think my maze generator will become useful again :)
00:14 <luke-jr> sigh
00:14 <luke-jr> I guess for now I just requrie bzr-svn on ppl's machines
00:14 <z-man> why that?
00:14 <Lucifer> go bug wrtlprnft to move his private stuff to bzr, eh?  ;)
00:15 <luke-jr> z-man: so I can nest a svn tree
00:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
00:15 <BabyBug> Everyone needs bugging to do things here...You lot need an ethos of "Just do it!"
00:15 <luke-jr> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft arma-php-client
00:16 <luke-jr> … is it seriously copying the entire fscking svn repo just for that?
00:16 <luke-jr> :/
00:16 <z-man> no, it's analysing it.
00:16 <Lucifer> BabyBug: you'll have to bug guru3 to get us to establish an ethos
00:16 <BabyBug> ...
00:16 <BabyBug> guru3, epic ping!
00:16 <luke-jr> ROFL
00:17 <z-man> My ethos is I'LL DO IT WHEN I HAVE THE FREAKING TIME, K?
00:17 <BabyBug> #topic
00:17 <guru3> eh?
00:17 <BabyBug> guru3, establish an ethos!
00:18 <guru3> eh?
00:18 <BabyBug> ><
00:18 <Lucifer> grrr, why is it taking so long to push?
00:18 <PinkTomato> what's wrong with eh? as an ethos?
00:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I'm sitting on it.
00:18 <guru3> i'm more worried about hosting coming up for expiration
00:18 <Lucifer> luke-jr: well quit sitting on it!
00:18 <luke-jr> XD
00:18 <Lucifer> that reminds me, my domain's about to expire
00:19 <BabyBug> guru3, renew? :P
00:19 <PinkTomato> coming up for expiration?
00:19 <guru3> while Lucifer and z-man are here
00:19 <guru3> are you guys opposed to doing a fund raiser drive type thing for the hosting costs?
00:19  * Lucifer is only partially here, the rest of him has fallen asleep
00:19 <luke-jr> guru3: might consider moving too? nearlyfreespeech is pretty cheap
00:19 <Lucifer> no, of course not, go to it ;)
00:19 <luke-jr> or maybe I could throw it on one of my servers if it doesn't use too much bw
00:19 <guru3> well we've got about 3 months left on the plan
00:20 <guru3> so i'm only just considering it so far
00:20 <z-man> guru3: no objections here.
00:20 <PinkTomato> what are hosting costs like for a website big as arma?
00:20 <epsy> luke-jr, use a bzr repository if you do that with more than one branch
00:20 <Lucifer> $40,000/year
00:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, big?
00:20 <Lucifer> that's why we ahven't gotten anything done
00:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, it's sooooooooooooo not big =P
00:20 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
00:21 <Lucifer> we made a bunch of small websites so we'd look bigger than we are
00:21 <epsy> luke-jr, fetching branches from svn
00:21 <BabyBug> and you still look small
00:21 <guru3> PinkTomato: there' not too bad
00:21 <guru3> because the cost is split between armagetron and another site of mine
00:21 <Lucifer> BabyBug: look, a shiny thing!
00:21  * Lucifer points
00:21 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I guess so :D, but must get a lot of traffic, the master stuff must take a lot of cost too
00:21 <epsy> well, good night
00:21 <Lucifer> masters are mostly hosted on home machines, eh?
00:21 <PinkTomato> guru3: ah ok then :)
00:22 <PinkTomato> are they really?
00:22 <BabyBug> Lucifer, You should really wipe that sweat off your head instead of pointing at it!
00:22 <guru3> armagetron's share is only like... 70 pounds over 2 years
00:22  * epsy got his arma to segfault while reading TEAM_BLUE_3 15
00:22 <Lucifer> wow, that's like 1/4 of my ex's weight
00:22  * Lucifer is exaggerating
00:22 <BabyBug> it's an 1/8th of it?1?
00:22 <epsy> nighty
00:22 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has quit ["uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"]
00:23 <guru3> anywho
00:23 <guru3> just thought i'd check
00:23 <BabyBug> guru3, what's the second site?
00:23 <Lucifer> girlsandguitars.com
00:23 <guru3> lol
00:23 <guru3> no
00:23 <guru3> animeseen.net
00:24 <BabyBug> oh ffs...what is it with the internet and anime ><
00:24 <BabyBug> 99.9% of people on the internet watch anime ><
00:24 <PinkTomato> its not the whole internet
00:24 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't know, it's sickening, isn't it?
00:24 <guru3> :<
00:24 <BabyBug> Lucifer, completely!
00:25 <Lucifer> although, some of those anime chicks are pretty hot
00:25  * BabyBug face palms
00:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8728 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): dave@davefancella.com: Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an autopackage to build out of it.
00:26 <PinkTomato> there's too much anime to choose the good stuff
00:26 <Lucifer> ok, time to start winding down and make my way to bed, I think
00:27 <z-man> luke-jr: can't mirror wrtl's private stuff. Sorry. bzr-svn is kind of stubborn that way.
00:27  * Lucifer is running 18 hours so far
00:27 <z-man> It would need to get moved to tools/php-client/trunk
00:27 <PinkTomato> don't you want to resync lucifer?
00:28 <Lucifer> that's what I'm doing
00:28 <Corn> damn 1 and a half hours to download 54 mb... stupid connection
00:28 <Lucifer> I woke up at 11:30pm
00:28 <PinkTomato> ah
00:28 <PinkTomato> taking a long long sleep then
00:28 <Corn> You know i was thinking about that today BabyBug, i came to the conclusion that they're asian wannabes
00:29 <BabyBug> what? O.o
00:29 <Lucifer> but asians don't like anime, it's produced for export to the US and UK
00:29 <Corn> Lucifer are you nocturnal or something dont you live in america?
00:29 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no not the UK
00:29 <Corn> hense its not late at all
00:29  * Lucifer is tired of explaining to people why he's on such an odd sleep schedule
00:30 <PinkTomato> What Lucifer said is pretty much true + france
00:30 <Lucifer> BabyBug: guru3 is in the UK....  they must export it there for him
00:30 <BabyBug> stress!
00:30 <BabyBug> Lucifer, england!
00:30 <BabyBug> not UK
00:30 <BabyBug> the UK is fake
00:30 <Lucifer> the UK is real
00:30 <Corn> :/
00:30 <BabyBug> fake
00:30 <Lucifer> see, the English conquered the island and tried to take ireland too
00:30 <Lucifer> but they were stopped short
00:31 <Lucifer> then they unilaterally created the UK
00:31 <Lucifer> and Sean Connery has been pissed about it ever since (he was there when they did it)
00:31 <Corn> your internal clock is skrewed
00:31 <BabyBug> one of these days i'm gonna get a saw and saw wales off England \o/
00:31 <Lucifer> Corn: no, it's the earth's rotation that's screwed
00:31 <Lucifer> BabyBug: and fall into economic meltdown, no doubt
00:32 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no it's your perception of the earth's rotation that's screwed
00:32 <Lucifer> not that that's a serious threat when we're in a global recession, mind you
00:32 <luke-jr> z-man: think he'd mind if I moved it there?
00:32 <BabyBug> Lucifer, England depend on us too much!
00:32 <PinkTomato> Woah
00:32 <z-man> luke-jr: without asking? I'd mind.
00:32 <luke-jr> BabyBug: the Earth doesn't rotate
00:32 <guru3> i'm off to bed
00:32 <BabyBug> people are moving from England to Wales just to get free medication ><
00:32 <guru3> good night
00:32 <BabyBug> night xx
00:33 <PinkTomato> night :)
00:33 <Corn> which is suprisingly similar to drug distribution
00:33 <z-man> Keeping others from meddling is one of the reasons to put suff into ones private directory.
00:33 <Lucifer> BabyBug: that's called cultural assimilation
00:33 <PinkTomato> BabyBug:  I'm certainly not going to wales to save £7
00:33 <luke-jr> z-man: how about a copy?
00:33 <z-man> That should be fine.
00:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it's called nicking Wales' money! =P
00:33 <luke-jr> and let wrtl delete the old one if he wants
00:34 <PinkTomato> Lots of welsh laws depend on you being part of england
00:34 <PinkTomato> considering they apply to both
00:34 <PinkTomato> huge rewrite
00:34 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, they are the stupid laws
00:34 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: We don't steal wales money, we still have to pay for University there :)
00:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8729 /tools/php-client/ (. trunk/): Make a tools dir for wrtl's pho client
00:34 <Lucifer> pho client?
00:35 <PinkTomato> I think you get a discount to study in wales
00:35 <BabyBug> If you're welsh you do yup!
00:35 <BabyBug> see...Being Welsh is so much better than being English
00:35 <PinkTomato> or eu citizen excluding UK
00:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: typo
00:35 <Corn> i have a confession
00:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8730 /tools/php-client/trunk/armagetron-php-client.php: Copy wrtl's PHP client into its new home; wrtl can delete the private one later
00:36 <PinkTomato> see your laws prefer the EU rather than the english at times :)
00:36 <PinkTomato> Corn: what sort of confession?
00:36 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Yet still the english refuse to take the hint =P
00:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8731 /tools/php-client/ (branches/ tags/): Forgot to make tags/branches
00:36 <Corn> Babybug, the point isnt making money; its stealing money.
00:37 <PinkTomato> lol BabyBug. If you can get a good majority of welsh people to vote for independence and succeed, I'll support the viewpoint ;)
00:37 <BabyBug> no Corn, stealing money was something to back the arguement that the english suck
00:37 <BabyBug> the point is that the english suck :P
00:38  * PinkTomato did not choose to be english :P
00:38 <BabyBug> even english people admit it! =P
00:38 <Corn> Did you know theres a town in whales that refused to let outsiders into the town so they resulted to incest
00:38 <BabyBug> Corn, that's a lie
00:39 <PinkTomato> they must not have had roads
00:39 <PinkTomato> since roads are public property
00:39 <Corn> PinkTomato: A secretive one.
00:40 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, what do you think about this shitty database being set up aswell? :P
00:40 <PinkTomato> what database is this?
00:40 <PinkTomato> the ID cards?
00:40 <PinkTomato> or the NHS one?
00:40 <BabyBug> A database to store all out phone txts, emails, phone conversations
00:40 <BabyBug> etc etc
00:40 <BabyBug> our*
00:40 <PinkTomato> we are not the US
00:40 <Corn> chavs....
00:40 <PinkTomato> stop copying them
00:40 <Corn> thats all they are
00:40 <Corn> damn chavs
00:41 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2233212/uk-government-outsource
00:41 <Corn> and you know what they suck? the welsh
00:41 <PinkTomato> the thing is, BT track this anyway
00:41 <PinkTomato> and such like
00:41 <BabyBug> phone calls and txts?
00:41 <z-man> luke-jr: https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/tools-php-client-trunk-work
00:41 <PinkTomato> well yeah, how else do you get billed
00:42 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, They mean containing the details of them.......
00:42 <BabyBug> As in the content
00:42 <luke-jr> z-man: thanks
00:42 <PinkTomato> but how...
00:42 <PinkTomato> phone calls as well.. that's an immense amount of data
00:42 <BabyBug> they're planning to spend 12 billion quid
00:42 <z-man> np
00:43 <BabyBug> That's an awful lot of space
00:43 <BabyBug> lol
00:43 <PinkTomato> £12billion...
00:43 <BabyBug> yes...
00:43 <PinkTomato> The only way for it to be effective
00:43 <PinkTomato> is to check every message
00:43 <PinkTomato> even if they employed 1/100 of the country, still not enough people for the time
00:44 <Corn> What is a lie? that you have self respect? I knew it!
00:44 <BabyBug> whether it's effective or not their doing it :P
00:44 <Corn> But really... what?
00:44 <PinkTomato> in fact, I think cold calling people asking them "Are you a terrorist?" would be more effective.
00:44 <BabyBug> i'd do that for a job!
00:44 <BabyBug> The pay must be great
00:44 <Corn> not really
00:44 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
00:44 <Corn> not if you live in a communist country
00:44 <smoothice> #seen wrtlprnft
00:44 <@armabot> smoothice: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 58 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> epsy: done.
00:45 <PinkTomato>  i think the true reason is for marketing
00:45 <PinkTomato> like how they sell the census
00:45 <BabyBug> Someone suggest a good new movie
00:46 <PinkTomato> what sort of movie?
00:46 <Corn> "BabyBug> Corn, that's a lie" What is?
00:47 <BabyBug> comedy? actions? detective kind of movies
00:47 <BabyBug> i dunno
00:47 <BabyBug> juts a good movie
00:47 <BabyBug> Corn, look at what you said exactly before it
00:48 <Corn> If you use secret code language the government wont understand what your talking about in the conversation. However neither will the person your talking to.
00:49 <PinkTomato> Corn: called arabic/french etc :P
00:49 <PinkTomato> or welsh :P
00:49 <Corn> lots of floppy disks huh
00:49 <PinkTomato> I'm sure they wouldn't hire welsh translators
00:49 <PinkTomato> too much effort
00:50 <Corn> Pink when they tap the phones they find keywords to look for.
00:50 <PinkTomato> how?
00:50 <PinkTomato> speech to text never works
00:51 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, they have things slightly more sophisticated than what we have access to =P
00:51 <Corn> Rolemodels
00:51 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: they said they were outsourcing
00:51 <PinkTomato> the government wouldn't trust a thirdparty company would they?
00:51 <PinkTomato> wait...
00:51 <PinkTomato> stupid question
00:51 <BabyBug> of course they would
00:51 <BabyBug> lol
00:52 <BabyBug> and tbh i'd rather a third party company handled it
00:52 <Corn> Exactly before what?
00:52 <BabyBug> our government is shit at keeping confidential information safe
00:52 <BabyBug> lol
00:52 <z-man> epsy, luke-jr: your concurrent edits of polish_transliterated.txt produced hefty unresolvable conflicts.
00:52 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: agreed
00:52 <z-man> Which do I keep?
00:52 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: same in the US
00:52 <PinkTomato> (23:38:22) Corn: Did you know theres a town in whales that refused to let outsiders into the town so they resulted to incest
00:53 <PinkTomato> that's your anwser
00:53 <luke-jr> z-man: polish_transliterated.txt of mine is just a direct import from the bug
00:53 <luke-jr> I wasn't aware epsy was touching it
00:53 <z-man> epsy touched it in bzr, you in svn
00:53 <z-man> now bazaarmagetron is stuck :)
00:53 <luke-jr> z-man: also, I don't see a purpose of the _transliterated variant
00:53 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: polish.txt does not work
00:53 <luke-jr> my polish.txt is minimally transliterated
00:54 <z-man> Well, isn't it supposed to work with incomplete fonts?
00:54 <Corn> Are we talking about england or wales
00:54 <luke-jr> z-man: ah, I did not check that
00:54 <PinkTomato> Corn: you said whales
00:54 <luke-jr> I only checked that polish.txt was Latin-1
00:54 <z-man> anyway, I'm ditching epsy's change.
00:54 <luke-jr> are we missing parts of Latin-1? O.o
00:54 <Corn> And its not like Welsh is a hard language to learn so Translators arent rare
00:54 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: polish.txt is windows-1250
00:54 <Corn> On the contrary
00:54 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: are you sure you're talking about the same polish.txt?
00:55 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: possibly not.
00:55 <BabyBug> lol
00:55 <Corn> Exactly
00:55 <Corn> 12 billion....
00:55 <PinkTomato> welsh sounds hard
00:55 <luke-jr> Corn: I'm sure a Welsh translation would be welcome
00:55 <PinkTomato> words like crwth
00:56 <BabyBug> lmao...there's so many conversations getting intertwined here
00:56 <PinkTomato> how is that even pronuncable
00:56 <BabyBug> haha PinkTomato
00:56 <Corn> third party companies are good at what they do or else they go out of business they have no tax shit to back them up
00:56 <Corn> Well its true
00:57 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, how do you think it's pronounced?
00:57 <PinkTomato> Qurf
00:57 <BabyBug> ><
00:58 <Corn> Well i misspelled
00:58 <BabyBug> crooth ... Like tooth (said the non posh way) except with cr at the beginning
00:58 <Corn> clearly if there was a town inside a whale it wouldnt make sense.
00:59 <PinkTomato> I get english prouncations wrong all the time anyway
00:59 <teabot> armacommits: [tools-php-client-trunk-work] r2 Copy wrtl's PHP client into its new home; wrtl can delete th... || [tools-php-client-trunk-work] r1 Make a tools dir for wrtl's pho client... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r746 Miscellaneous fixes to get it building again, and to get an ...
00:59 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I just checked my svn copy, only works with windows-1250 or latin-2
00:59 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch =D
00:59 <Corn> We're talking about government conspiracy phone tapping not armagetron language conversion as far as i know i dont know any welsh speakers
00:59 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: crap, I guessed Latin-1 wrong XD
01:00 <PinkTomato> Latin-1 doesn't have that \L
01:00 <Corn> i like the sound of 'pronuncable'
01:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I don't even know where to begin with that :D
01:01 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, try the beginning xD
01:01 <PinkTomato> lawnfairpowellgeygillygoggery...
01:01 <BabyBug> ok you fail
01:01 <PinkTomato> I wasn't expected success :)
01:02 <Corn> cymru
01:02 <BabyBug> Cymru*
01:02 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: shouldn't polish.txt be omitted until a UTF-8/Latin-2 build?
01:03 <PinkTomato> there's no point having the squares and subscript 2 and 3's
01:03 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it should be made into Latin-1
01:03 <Corn> pronunciation.
01:03 <Corn> not pronuncication
01:03 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: has been, its the transliterated version.
01:03 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: the transliterated file had issues
01:04 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: what do you mean?
01:04 <luke-jr> such as lowercase upper chars, and being ASCII and not Latin-1
01:04 <PinkTomato> OK, convert the file into Latin-1?
01:04 <Corn> Is this welsh, Babybug?
01:05 <Corn> i especially like the ending, 'ogogogoch'
01:05 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: starting w/ the UTF-8 yes
01:06 <BabyBug> Corn, is what welsh?
01:07 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: surely the only way at the moment for armagetronad to get polish in a readable format is to use a transliterated one?
01:07 <BabyBug> is it me or does Corn appear to be reply to things said 10 minutes ago?
01:07 <BabyBug> replying*
01:07 <Corn> law-nuh-fay-er-pow-ell-gay-gill-ey-gog-ere
01:07 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: …
01:07 <BabyBug> that definatly isn't welsh
01:08 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: ?
01:09 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I don't understand why polish.txt is default when it does not work?
01:09 <PinkTomato> shouldn't it be commented out until utf-8 is complete?
01:09 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it will work before 0.2.8.3 is released
01:09 <Corn> That long word.
01:09 <PinkTomato> 0.2.8.3 is non-UTF8?
01:09 <luke-jr> right
01:09 <luke-jr> polish.txt will be Latin-1 for 0.2.8.3
01:10 <Corn> It seems you are aswell
01:10 <Corn> You replied to what i said 10 minutes ago and that was 'Is that welsh?
01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8732 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
01:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Bazaarmagetron
01:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging conflict from bzr, eliminating epsy's huge reformat:
01:11 <@armabot> armagetronad:  epsy 2009-01-02 1/ move "made by xxx" headers from language files to AUTHORS
01:11 <PinkTomato> the only way to get polish.txt latin-1 is to use polish_no special characters, as polish has characters that are not represented in latin-1.
01:11 <PinkTomato> latin-2 has the polish characters IIRC
01:13 <Corn> Babybug, respond to this message the moment you see it i want to test something.
01:13 <BabyBug> Corn
01:13 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: but Latin-1 does contain *some* Polish chars beyond ASCII, right?
01:13 <BabyBug> responded
01:16 <Corn> i wrote that message 3 minutes ago or maybe 6 minutes ago from when you see this
01:17 <BabyBug> Corn, then you've got some crazy lag
01:18 <BabyBug> [00:15:15] >Corn< CTCP VERSION
01:18 <BabyBug> [00:18:05] -Corn- VERSION xchat 2.8.7c Windows 5.1 [i686/1.66GHz]
01:18 <BabyBug> There's like a 3 minute lag ><
01:19 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: random subset of polish characters: żłąężióćść
01:19 <PinkTomato> the only one that is in latin-1 is: ó
01:22 <Corn> Yeah... well i dont really have the best connection.... 1300 ms but i couldnt imagine it being 3 minutes bad.
01:24 <PinkTomato> all that can be added, as far as I can see, to the transliterated version is ó.
01:24 <PinkTomato> as the translation does not use any other accented vowels. :)
01:25 <Lucifer> Take my worf.  Please!
01:25 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: what's a worf?
01:25 <Lucifer> klingon security officer on the enterprise
01:25 <BabyBug> Lucifer, arn't you meant to be sleeping?
01:26 <Lucifer> I wanted to watch a little star trek before I went to bed
01:26 <Lucifer> 'night
01:26 <BabyBug> ...
01:27 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ok, then that and the case issue
01:28 <z-man> night, Lucifer, and others
01:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8733 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: Yeah, of course. Screwed it up. Fix and new test commit.
01:28 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: would that require a Polish speaker?
01:28 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
01:29 <PinkTomato> night z-man, Lucifer :)
01:29 <PinkTomato> team_blue_1_help niebieska czesc koloru druzyny 1
01:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8734 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: prettier tag stripping output.
01:29 <PinkTomato> so that should be Neibieska?
01:29 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8735 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Bazaarmagetron: Corrected branch deletion.
01:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8736 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/mirror.cfg): Bazaarmagetron: Added php client.
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01:32 <luke-jr> bzr co lp:~luke-jr/+junk/yandere-port-arma; cd yandere-port-arma; ./bootstrap.sh; ./arma-yandere.php
01:32 <luke-jr> …and I just published my password
01:32 <luke-jr> sortof
01:38 <BabyBug> how did you?
01:39 <BabyBug> yandere O.o
01:40 <luke-jr> BabyBug: it's in the arma-yandere.php file
01:40 <luke-jr> for test@dashjr.org
01:40 <BabyBug> test.........
01:40 <luke-jr> by default, bootstrap.sh will grab my TWG branch
01:40 <luke-jr> XD
01:40 <BabyBug> wooooooooo logs in \o/
01:40 <luke-jr> ofc
01:40  * BabyBug is actually going to login just to see if you changed it
01:40 <luke-jr> it needs to login to bypass anti-spam
01:41 <luke-jr> BabyBug: nah
01:41 <smoothice> so
01:41 <smoothice> arma-yandere?
01:41 <BabyBug> you changed it!
01:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: it's skinned for TWG by default
01:41 <luke-jr> BabyBug: nope
01:41 <luke-jr> at least not intentionally
01:41 <luke-jr> O.o
01:42 <luke-jr> oh
01:42 <BabyBug> luke-jr, i know, i was just seeing if you were soooooo stupid that they were actually ssh details aswell xD
01:42 <luke-jr> I broke it
01:43 <PinkTomato> well I fixed polish.txt into UTF-8, 392 lines need ó put into them
01:43 <PinkTomato> probably worth writing a tiny script to it?
01:43 <PinkTomato> do it*
01:43 <luke-jr> ok, fixed it
01:43 <luke-jr> PinkTomato:  wtf?
01:43 <PinkTomato> ok, ?
01:43 <PinkTomato> you fixed it?
01:44 <luke-jr> not yet
01:44 <PinkTomato> ah
01:44 <PinkTomato> wtf are wtf'ing
01:44 <luke-jr> u make no sense
01:44 <PinkTomato> so I know where I am going wrong
01:44 <luke-jr> I'll do it
01:44 <PinkTomato> OK :)
01:44 <BabyBug> luke-jr, looks whos talking
01:44 <BabyBug> look who's*
01:44 <BabyBug> arf
01:45 <smoothice> luke-jr: For a limited time, get a free upgrade to quadruple the slots????
01:45 <smoothice> QUADRUPLE?
01:45 <smoothice> whoaz
01:45 <BabyBug> that's how desperate he is smoothice =P
01:46 <smoothice> I guess... :/
01:46 <luke-jr> smoothice: a very limited time
01:46 <smoothice> luke-jr: We'll see about that...
01:46 <luke-jr> ⁇?
01:47 <smoothice> if babybug is right then it isn't a limited time
01:47 <BabyBug> smoothice, note: I'm hardly ever right
01:47 <smoothice> BabyBug: ...
01:47 <luke-jr> the only way it's not is if I forget about it and nobody starts service
01:47 <luke-jr> most likely I'll revert it after a few people sign up with it
01:47 <luke-jr> :þ
01:47 <BabyBug> Yes smoothice?
01:48 <BabyBug> I talk a load of crap most the of time...You need to learn to filter what's crap and what's not...Or just /ignore me :P
01:48 <BabyBug> (i'm sure alot of people have already) xD
01:48 <smoothice> ok
01:48 <smoothice> I apparently ignored you
01:48 <smoothice> I typed /ignore BabyBug
01:48 <smoothice> how do you unignore?
01:48 <BabyBug> he ignored me \o/
01:48 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: … my polish.txt IS already Latin-1
01:48 <BabyBug> no one tell him!
01:48 <luke-jr> not Latin-2
01:49 <smoothice> is it /unignore?
01:49 <luke-jr> smoothice: no idea
01:49 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: that's odd you sure it has the characters?
01:49 <smoothice> BabyBug: say something
01:49 <BabyBug> smoothice
01:49 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: as I said, I had to replace about 5
01:49 <PinkTomato> oh, you already did that
01:50 <PinkTomato> the funny L is D or something though
01:50 <luke-jr> …
01:50 <PinkTomato> Ok luke-jr, I apologise, the whole discussion has been a waste
01:50 <PinkTomato> as it has already been transliterated into latin-1
01:50 <PinkTomato> with ó assumeably
01:51 <BabyBug> lol PinkTomato
01:51 <BabyBug> That deserves a face palm!
01:53  * PinkTomato face palms
01:54 <luke-jr> #google fight themable themeable
01:54 <@armabot> luke-jr: themable: 171000, themeable: 66900
01:55 <PinkTomato> who needs to spell?
01:55 <luke-jr> …
01:56 <PinkTomato> is themable a word then?
01:56 <luke-jr> neither are in the dictionary
01:56 <PinkTomato> oh so it is
01:56 <luke-jr> themeable seems to be prevailant in Microsoft
01:56 <luke-jr> themable in open source
01:56 <luke-jr> so the latter it is :D
01:57 <PinkTomato> :)
02:00 <teabot> armacommits: [tools-bzr-trunk-work] r38 Added php client.... || [tools-bzr-trunk-work] r37 Corrected branch deletion.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r972 Merging conflict from bzr, eliminating epsy's huge reformat:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r971 missing newlines || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r970 new polish files; polish.txt is UTF-8 -> Latin-1 translit || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r969 fix include spelling || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r968 new
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02:32 <GodTodd> anyone who misspells prevalent should probably go opposite their own spelling instinct. ;)
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02:55 <Corn> wtf is .nsi
02:56 <Corn> never even heard of it
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03:08 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
03:22 <Corn> @sd -v =sumo=
03:22 <teabot> Corn: Wild West  =Sumo= (69.73.141.194:4536) running 0.2.8.2 unix dedicated, url: www.lagtest.net, Description: “Default Sumo Configuration“, Players (14/14): -=VcL.DieseL, -=}ID< Carnage, -=}WinDeR<, .:dk:. joKer, 1200, aeon, apparition, Caligrl, Longballlasch, raph, T<~3sr3v3r, VcLF8, _-'Ww_|Shock, ~*inSaniTik*~
03:28 <Corn> @calc 2500/60
03:28 <teabot> Corn: 2500 / 60 = 41.6666667
03:33 <Corn> 3.141592
03:43 <ct|kyle> @calc PI
03:43 <teabot> ct|kyle: PI = 3.14159265
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04:32 <BabyBug> ct|kyle
04:33 <ct|kyle> BabyBug:
04:33 <BabyBug> Hiya =)
04:34 <smoothice> ct
04:34 <smoothice> ct|kyle: found a great VPS and bought it
04:34  * ct|kyle cuddles BabyBug
04:34  * BabyBug fondles ct|kyle 
04:34 <ct|kyle> smoothice: nice where and ram
04:34 <smoothice> ct
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: 512 megabytes of RAM and up to 1GB Burst. OpenVZ. at fsckvps.com
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: for $9.95
04:35 <smoothice> ct|kyle: setup within five minutes... They aren't kidding
04:35 <ct|kyle> in US?
04:36 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Atlanta :)
04:36 <BabyBug> smoothice, that's because VPS' can be set up with an automatic script on signup =P
04:36 <ct|kyle> any money back guarantee?
04:36 <smoothice> ct|kyle: 7 days
04:36 <smoothice> but
04:36 <ct|kyle> not bad enough time to test
04:36 <smoothice> yeah
04:36 <smoothice> but
04:36 <ct|kyle> what OS?
04:37 <smoothice> Ubuntu 8, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian
04:37 <smoothice> I use ubuntu 8.04
04:37 <smoothice> Upgradable to latest version though
04:37 <ct|kyle> nice i'd pick gentoo :)
04:38 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, emerge moo
04:38 <smoothice> ct|kyle: why gentoo?
04:39 <ct|kyle> :)
04:39 <ct|kyle> I like gentoo
04:39 <smoothice> I prefer Ubuntu despite luke's hatred against it
04:40 <smoothice> It's as close as I can get to Debian without being Debian
04:40 <ct|kyle> I've been using gentoo or gentoo based for 99% of my linux time
04:40 <ct|kyle> all our tron servers are debian
04:41 <BabyBug> People who hate ubuntu only hate it because it's so popular.
04:41 <BabyBug> Isn't that right luke-jr!?
04:41 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Yeah the web server you said also runs tron for ct shows this:
04:41 <smoothice> Apache/2.2.8 (Debian) PHP/5.2.5-3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g
04:42 <ct|kyle> ya, like i said we have 3
04:42 <BabyBug> and they all lag like hell =x
04:43 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: no i just don't like it, gentoo is more fun, and easier to fix (if you don't emerge -C gcc)
04:44 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, not liking and hate are two different things. I'm not saying ubuntu is the best out there. What i said was a dig at luke-jr not you =P
04:44 <BabyBug> although i would have to disagree about the easier to fix =P
04:46 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I envy all the crazy-tronners... a blend between playing and cool servers and armahacktron :)
04:47 <ct|kyle> heh
04:47 <ct|kyle> I'm working on fixing armahacktron
04:47 <ct|kyle> I found 1 bug
04:47 <smoothice> cool
04:47 <smoothice> Any new features soon
04:47 <smoothice> ?
04:47 <BabyBug> fixing? what's broke about it? =\
04:47 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: do i have to show you
04:48 <ct|kyle> gain
04:48 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, one line of text will do :P
04:48 <ct|kyle> again*
04:48 <BabyBug> Oh ok i have a bad memory
04:48 <BabyBug> ignore me then =P
04:48 <ct|kyle> zone -> wall interaction
04:48 <smoothice> Ubuntu 6.06 is still supported :O?
04:48 <smoothice> :O
04:48 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: ya you cuddle too much :P
04:48 <ct|kyle> ya for what 2 more years?
04:49 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, oh i remember now!
04:49 <BabyBug> heh :$
04:49 <ct|kyle> I have it mostly fixed
04:50 <BabyBug> well that's an improvement on "I have no idea why it's doing it" =)
04:51 <ct|kyle> voodoo dropped a division for some reasen when adding it to current 0.2.8.*
04:51 <BabyBug> lol
04:51 <ct|kyle> now it is in the pWall's
04:51 <ct|kyle> the rest anyway
04:51 <BabyBug> perhaps someone poked a pin in him at the time
04:51 <BabyBug> x)
04:52 <BabyBug> (ok that was a shit joke but live with it)
04:52 <ct|kyle> his wife probably got upset at him
04:53 <smoothice> ct|kyle: What platform is your current computer? (that you're using now)
04:53 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: i did not even get that one, and i've been making a lot of shit jokes like that all night
04:53 <ct|kyle> gentoo
04:53 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, lol
04:54 <smoothice> ct|kyle: You love gentoo...
04:54 <ct|kyle> :)
04:55 <BabyBug> smoothice, if you know how to use it gentoo is very nice.
04:55 <smoothice> what gui does it use?
04:55 <smoothice> gnome, kde?
04:55 <smoothice> xfce?
04:55 <BabyBug> Ubuntu is the lazy option for people who want to ditch windows but can't be bothered to learn how linux works
04:55 <BabyBug> gentoo is the nicest \o/
04:55 <ct|kyle> whatever one i install
04:56 <smoothice> o
04:56 <ct|kyle> hardly anything is default in gentoo
04:56 <smoothice> which one are you using now/
04:56 <ct|kyle> KDE 3.5.9
04:56 <smoothice> 3.5?
04:56 <smoothice> :(
04:56 <smoothice> Why not 4?
04:56 <ct|kyle> I've been waiting for 4 to improve
04:56 <smoothice> o
04:57 <ct|kyle> last i used it it was not as configurable as this (then again that was the release)
04:57 <ct|kyle> 4.0
04:57 <smoothice> oh
04:59 <smoothice> dlh: I love your old-glancing branch
04:59 <smoothice> dlh: The awesome features of the trunk with the awesome glancing of 0.2.8
05:00 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, What do you prefer about KDE over Gnome? (genuine curiosity, not trying to start a flame war..)
05:00 <ct|kyle> what awesome glancing of 0.2.8? awesome is 0.3.*
05:00 <smoothice> BabyBug: It's prettier
05:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: yes
05:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: actually i have not used gnome in years
05:01 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I think the glancing in 0.2.8 is better... just my opinion!
05:01 <ct|kyle> probably less current gnome then my windows 7 time
05:02 <BabyBug> Considering the size of Microsoft, you would of thought they'd be more consistant in the way they name their OS'
05:02 <ct|kyle> but back with mandriva 2006 i liked KDE better than gnome
05:02 <smoothice> no
05:03 <ct|kyle> 7.4 GB is windows 7 build 7000
05:03  * BabyBug has had way too much chocolate and feels sick
05:03  * BabyBug is a pig
05:03 <ct|kyle> actually more than that, that is just C:/windows
05:04 <ct|kyle> * BabyBug goes oink *
05:04 <smoothice> BabyBug = groundpig :)?
05:04 <smoothice> ;)
05:04 <BabyBug> galaxy is always soooooooooooo nice
05:04 <ct|kyle> na not that smart :P and wrong location
05:05  * BabyBug pokes her stomach....OK i really need to stop eating chocolate
05:05  * BabyBug goes on a diet!
05:05  * ct|kyle throws 5 more pieces in BabyBug
05:05  * BabyBug runs away from them
05:06 <ct|kyle> lol
05:06 <smoothice> #me pokes BabyBug
05:06  * BabyBug is actually the perfect weight!
05:06 <ct|kyle> i knew it BabyBug is fat
05:06 <smoothice> #say /me pokes BabyBug.
05:06 <@armabot> /me pokes BabyBug.
05:06 <BabyBug> I am not fat ><
05:06 <smoothice> BabyBug: can you shut up?
05:06 <BabyBug> nuuuuuuuu
05:06 <smoothice> ok
05:06 <smoothice> I'll ignore you
05:06 <BabyBug> far too hyper and can't sleep
05:06 <smoothice> Now I understand why
05:07 <BabyBug> \o/
05:07 <smoothice> ct|kyle: so the crazy-tronners servers are hosted in Germany?
05:07 <ct|kyle> smoothice: yes
05:08 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Doesn't that mean pings will be bad for US players?
05:08 <ct|kyle> 160-200 i get
05:08 <smoothice> I'm getting 224 on CTWF :(
05:09 <ct|kyle> i've been playing on their servers for most of my tron time, i'm used to them
05:09 <ct|kyle> you must live on the west coast or your ISO sucks
05:09 <ct|kyle> ISP*
05:10 <smoothice> ct|kyle: now It was 150
05:11 <smoothice> but
05:11 <smoothice> yeah
05:13 <ct|kyle> could be having a bad net time right now also
05:14 <ct|kyle> my ping is probably better than yours on your server
05:14 <smoothice> ct|kyle: are you near atlanta?
05:14 <ct|kyle> indiana
05:15 <smoothice> ct|kyle: o
05:15 <ct|kyle> about 8 hour car drive (i think)
05:15 <ct|kyle> maybe 10
05:16 <ct|kyle> google says 10 hours
05:16 <ct|kyle> 8 days and 1 hour to walk :P
05:17 <smoothice> lol
05:26 <smoothice> ct|kyle: any crazy-tronners servers here in the US?
05:28 <ct|kyle> none yet
05:29 <smoothice> ct|kyle: ok...
05:29 <smoothice> ct|kyle: No good deals :P ?
05:31 <ct|kyle> well, no electronic money :P
05:32 <smoothice> ?
05:33 <ct|kyle> I don't even have a checking account :P
05:33 <smoothice> ct|kyle: no paypal?
05:33 <ct|kyle> nope
05:33 <ct|kyle> :P
05:34 <smoothice> ct|kyle: How do you live on the Internet and be a crazy-tronner servertech if you have no PayPal account
05:34 <smoothice> *palm over face*
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05:36 <ct|kyle> well, i do plan on donating to our 2 hosters once i get that
05:36 <smoothice> ivantis2: Ever going to update your sty+ct branch?
05:36 <ct|kyle> heh it is only 1 revision out of date
05:36 <ivantis2> smoothice: why?
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05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: otherwise you have no chance on getting merges into the mainline
05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: oh right
05:37 <ivantis2> ... so what should i do?
05:37 <smoothice> ivantis2: sty+ct :P
05:37 <ivantis2> yeah
05:38 <ivantis2> no chance anyway. i dont really care
05:39 <ivantis2> why is USD an S with a line through it and not a D with a line through it?
05:40 <smoothice> $ is cooler than D
05:40 <ivantis2> £€$¥
05:40 <ivantis2> ¥ is cool
05:41 <smoothice> ¨lol
05:41 <smoothice> ümlaut
05:41 <smoothice> §
05:41 <ivantis2> ß
05:43 <ivantis2> i think you mean dïäërësïs
05:43 <ivantis2> i like the Android/G1 keyboard setup
05:44 <smoothice> ¡™£¢∞§¶•ª
05:45 <ivantis2> ¡£ç§×÷€•
05:48 <ct|kyle> smoothice: the VPS place you sent me f=does not have gentoo but has debian
05:48 <smoothice> ct|kyle: It might not be listed on the web site but in my hypervm control panel I have the option to rebuild with Gentoo
05:48 <ct|kyle> ah
05:49 <ct|kyle> it had debian listed for ordering
05:49 <smoothice> gentoo-20060317-i686-stage3 and
05:49 <smoothice> gentoo-openvz-x86-2008.11.30
05:50 <ct|kyle> ah
05:51 <smoothice> and Debian 4.0
05:51 <smoothice> Here's the full list
05:52 <smoothice> CentOS 5
05:52 <smoothice> Debian 4.0
05:52 <smoothice> Fedora 9
05:52 <smoothice> Fedora 10
05:52 <smoothice> Gentoo
05:52 <smoothice> OpenSUSE 10
05:52 <smoothice> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, 7.10, 8.04 LTS
05:53 <smoothice> You'd pick Debian 4.0 for your new VPS?
05:53 <ct|kyle> that or gentoo
05:54 <smoothice> ok
05:54 <smoothice> Currently I'm using ubuntu-8.04-i386-minimal
05:54 <smoothice> All of those version are upgradable using the standard upgrade system
05:55 <ct|kyle> ya, i see
05:58 <mkzelda> you really dont want to use the 2006 snapshot for gentoo unless you like pain
05:58 <mkzelda> massive blocks
05:58 <ct|kyle> i was thinking that also
05:58 <smoothice> gentoo-openvz-x86-2008.11.30 then :)
05:58 <mkzelda> that one should be good, used that recently
06:00 <ct|kyle> i just upgraded to 2008.0
06:00 <ct|kyle> been on 2007.0
06:01 <ct|kyle> smoothice: I'll have to see how your server handles tron, then i may buy one for CT  for a US CTWF :)
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06:01 <smoothice> ok
06:02 <smoothice> Wanna try now?
06:02 <ct|kyle> you have it ready?
06:02 <smoothice> In 5 minutes :P?
06:02 <smoothice> what do you want?
06:02 <smoothice> sump?
06:02 <smoothice> fortress?
06:02 <ct|kyle> sumo would be ther hardest on it
06:03 <smoothice> Ok
06:03 <smoothice> We'll try sumo
06:03 <smoothice> I can test CPU usage too
06:04 <ct|kyle> cool i can buy a cash debit card and pay for one that way
06:06 <luke-jr> BabyBug: no
06:06 <BabyBug> lol luke-jr
06:06 <luke-jr> smoothice: no reason not to use Debian
06:07 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: luke-jr, does not like gnome
06:07 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: I don't like leechers eitehr
06:07 <BabyBug> you're jealous luke-jr
06:08 <luke-jr> jealous of… nothing?
06:10 <BabyBug> canonical
06:10 <BabyBug> (shooting stars is soooo the best program eva made)
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07:12 <luke-jr> BabyBug: canonical does nothing
07:12 <BabyBug> luke-jr, yes they do
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08:57 <teabot> armablah: Twenty-Oh-Eight, the Fortress Year in Review « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/twenty-oh-eight-the-fortress-year-in-review/>
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09:21 <luke-jr> https://code.launchpad.net/~luke-jr fwiw
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09:57 <Flex> #ping
09:57 <@armabot> pong
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11:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: feel free to directly svn move my stuff next time… it's not private as in “mine! stay away, just look at it in awe”, but more as in “i don't want to clutter the tools directory with stuff only I use”
11:11 <Lucifer> yay, my domain will survive for another year :
11:11 <Lucifer> er
11:11 <Lucifer> :)
11:12  * Lucifer wonders if a domain registration is good enough for change of address at ACC
11:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8737 /private/wrtlprnft/serverinfo.php: removed serverinfo.php, it's maintained in tools/php-client and lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/tools-php-client-trunk-work now
11:18 <Lucifer> ok, now I'll give the autopackage a sserious shot and build apgcc builds of libxml2 and ftgl
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12:01 <teabot> tstnews: Registration is now open <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/registration-is-now-open/>
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13:00 <Lucifer> grrrr
13:00 <Lucifer> heh, where's z-man when you need him?  ;)
13:00 <epsy> moarning
13:00 <Lucifer> mourning epsy
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13:17 <Lizmatic> o/
13:17 <PinkTomato> o/
13:17 <wrtlprnft> /o
13:17 <epsy> ¦o
13:18 <wrtlprnft> now imagine this kind of conversation in real life
13:18 <epsy> :D
13:20 <PinkTomato> lol :), left mouse button is button 2 in trunk
13:20 <PinkTomato> does that make sense to anyone?
13:20 <epsy> do we have middle-click pasting in trunk, by the way?
13:20 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: yes, it's how SDL gives it to us
13:20 <PinkTomato> my middle button is backward look
13:21 <Lucifer> SDL assumes a 5 button mouse, iirc
13:21 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did it change?
13:21 <epsy> most mouses have 5 button
13:21 <Lucifer> not that I know of
13:21 <epsy> left, right, middle, roll up, roll down
13:21 <Lucifer> epsy: I mean 5 buttons + scrollwheel
13:21 <PinkTomato> Oh, when I use 0.2.8 the buttons are all wrong
13:22 <PinkTomato> i think
13:22 <Lucifer> so, left bottom, left top, right top, right bottom, middle, and the scrollwheel (two more buttons in SDL)
13:22 <Lucifer> I could be wrong, maybe something did change
13:22 <Lucifer> I never use my mouse in the trunk :)
13:22 <Lucifer> now I see why z-man always sets his package builders to run right before he goes to bed, this takes forever
13:23 <epsy> *insert comment about menus*
13:23 <PinkTomato> oh will the default key bindings be fixed in 0.2.8?
13:24 <Lucifer> er, what's wrong with them?
13:24 <epsy> are they broken?
13:24 <PinkTomato> unknown key
13:24 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I want to put default key bindings for the media player in 0.3.1
13:24 <epsy> for?
13:24 <PinkTomato> and the mouse only rotates the view in one direction
13:24 <epsy> I thought you wanted to scrap the mp :P
13:24 <Lucifer> I do, but 0.3.1 is getting the old media player
13:25 <epsy> and what keys do you plan on using?
13:25 <Lucifer> op[]
13:25 <Lucifer> stop, play, prev, next, respectively
13:26 <epsy> .. we should have specific default bindings for different keyboards
13:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: OK, someone did fix them a little
13:26 <PinkTomato> Unknown key is gone in the trunk
13:27 <PinkTomato> except, pressing a mouse button zooms out
13:27 <Lucifer> epsy: that'll require us to be able to detect what keyboard someone is using
13:27 <epsy> use the select your language menu
13:27 <PinkTomato> and there is not a button on the mouse to zoom back in.
13:27 <epsy> it fits that menu very well
13:27 <Lucifer> do the forums accept .package files?
13:27 <epsy> doubt it
13:28 <Lucifer> well, the client didn't build with my special ftgl anyway
13:28 <Lucifer> but that's not needed for the server, heh
13:31 <PinkTomato> How would someone know what keyboard they are using?
13:31 <epsy> by reading it's 6 first letters?
13:32 <epsy> we can always preselect based on OS config
13:32 <PinkTomato> Ah I remeber, azerty etc.
13:39 <Lucifer> grrrr
13:39 <Lucifer> how do I get configure to use a different ftgl than the system installed one?  :(
13:40 <PinkTomato> LDLIBRARY PATH? something like that?
13:41 <PinkTomato> it was what I used.
13:42 <Lucifer> I need some libraries linked from system locations, and some linked from a different location
13:42 <Lucifer> problem is, ftgl doesn't provide a ftgl-config script, it expects pkg-config
13:43 <Lucifer> but if I install pkg-config in this special location, it'll be used instead of the system-wide one for packages I need that are system-wide
13:43 <Lucifer> otherwise, just using a custom path would work (it works for picking up libxml2)
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13:54 <PinkTomato> can't you do PATH=%PATH%;new path like DOS?
13:54 <PinkTomato> no wait, I would pick up the librarys in the old path too
14:00 <Lucifer> the problem is the use of pkg-config
14:00 <Lucifer> in fact, I'm probably about to break it all, heh
14:00 <Lucifer> installing an apgcc-built freetype, and pkg-config to the special place
14:00 <Lucifer> might be better to just install an apgcc-built package for everything that we use pkg-config for
14:01 <Lucifer> that'd be the tail wagging the dog, but might result in a more portable autopackage
14:01 <Lucifer> I guess it's a question of necessity
14:01 <Lucifer> anyway, I'm already doing PATH=/new/path:$PATH to get it to find xml2-config
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14:06 <PinkTomato> I can see why we have only had one person capable of building a .package :)
14:08 <Lucifer> heh
14:08 <Lucifer> we don't, I can build an autopackage without worrying about ftgl and just linking to my system library
14:08 <Lucifer> the last time z-man built an autopackage, he either did that or didn't have to deal with ftgl
14:08 <K-Yo> #ls flex
14:08 <@armabot> K-Yo: reflex_ has last been seen on  ~*SpeederS*~ Server 12 hours 18 minutes ago.
14:11 <Lizmatic> speeders..wtf.
14:56 <epsy> there should only be 3 servers --Lizmatic
15:02 <PinkTomato> #ls hoop
15:02 <@armabot> PinkTomato: timed out
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15:32 <Lucifer> is there a size limit on attachments on the forums?
15:32 <Lucifer> aha, there is
15:34 <epsy>                         if (!shouldChangeFunc_ || shouldChangeFunc_(dummy))
15:34 <Lucifer> who are you calling a dummy?
15:35 <epsy> that seems to be calling shouldChangeFunc_ when it is NULL
15:35 <Lucifer> is that bad?
15:35 <epsy> (NULL)()
15:36  * Lucifer wants a glass of water, but doesn't want to go downstairs to get it.  His roommate is talking to a house guest about kids and school, and neither know what they're talking about.
15:36 <Lucifer> the first part of the conditional tests to make sure shouldChangeFunc_ itself isn't null
15:36 <BabyBug> Lucifer, then correct them!
15:36 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't want to, that's why I don't want to go down there
15:36 <epsy> now it still is :<
15:36 <BabyBug> Lucifer, can't you just go and get a glass of water without correcting them? =\
15:37 <Lucifer> epsy: wait, reread that
15:38 <Lucifer> the conditional says "if shouldChangeFunc_ is NULL or ..."
15:38 <epsy> if it's NULL it should go on..
15:38 <Lucifer> so whatever follows is to be executed when it is NULL
15:38 <Lucifer> then remove the !
15:38 <Lucifer> the second part of the conditional only gets evaluated when the first part is false
15:38 <epsy> pointers are expressed as ints right?
15:38 <Lucifer> ummm, sorta
15:39 <Lucifer> a null pointer should have the value of 0 in it  :)
15:39 <epsy> what's annoying with this is that's it's in tConfiguration.>>H<<
15:39 <epsy> which is included from pretty much everywhere in the game
15:39 <Lucifer> heh, move it :)
15:40 <epsy> I wonder what it is even doing there
15:40 <Lucifer> yeah, I was just commenting that if you want to rebuild the whole game, modify tConfiguration.h
15:40 <epsy> haha
15:40 <Lucifer> is it an inline function?  If not, move it to the .cpp file so you don't have to wrestle with building the whole game
15:40 <Lucifer> anyway, I've got autopackages for people to test
15:41 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201780#201780
15:41 <epsy> virtual and in the class declaration
15:42 <Lucifer> ok, I'm going downstairs, hopefully they've moved on to a different topic
15:42  * Lucifer is hungry, too
15:43 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: are these the same as before?
15:43 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: oh there's a dedicated one, testing now
15:44 <epsy> I bet you wont see Lucifer for a little while now
15:48 <epsy> 162704128 <-- shouldChangeFunc_
15:51 <PinkTomato> closing the terminal window of the server does not end its instance, don't know if this is good/bad behaviour.
15:52 <PinkTomato> breakfast_in_hell.cfg works, at least with only one player
15:53 <epsy> instead, it will reload it's config
15:54 <epsy> I guess another signal as HUP should be used
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16:21 <teabot> armacommits: [old-glancing] r746 Merge with trunk... || [old-glancing] Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change ...
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16:38 <epsy> oh, that's why it segv'd
16:38 <epsy> uhmm
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17:13 <Corn> love this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7x4W7xu8yg&feature=channel
17:14 <Corn> just came across it again
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17:14 <epsy> @title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7x4W7xu8yg&feature=channel
17:14 <teabot> epsy: YouTube - tronic cup
17:17 <epsy> meh, /help is broken
17:17 <epsy> or only default topics, at least
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17:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
17:42 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
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18:18 <epsy> Lucifer, is there a reason you can't construct a tOutput with a tString as identifier?
18:22 <viper> mazuffer you know what time we are playing against CT ?
18:22 <MaZuffeR> 20 gmt
18:22 <viper> cheers :)
18:22 <Corn> Beat them for me will you?
18:22 <viper> of course xD
18:23 <Corn> is it a full on 8v8 or a mini war
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18:23 <viper> im not quite sure xD
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18:24 <Corn> yo sage
18:24 <viper> sagy :)
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18:29 <Lucifer> epsy: I don't understand the question
18:29 <Lucifer> you mean something like this?
18:29 <Lucifer> tOutput(tString() )
18:29 <Lucifer> ?
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18:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, they're not the same as the ones before
18:32 <Lucifer> libxml2 was built with apgcc in these, which should make it more portable
18:32 <Lucifer> I was hoping to get ftgl also built with apgcc, but didn't manage it
18:32 <Lucifer> I'm wanting to talk to z-man about what he did for 0.3.0 packages to see if I need to worry about ftgl
18:33 <Lucifer> for now, that is
18:33 <PinkTomato> ah right
18:33 <Lucifer> I'm considering writing a little python script to download and build all of arma's dependencies to help cross-compiling, and it can probably be used for autopackages too, it's just questionable whether or not it's useful for autopackages
18:34  * Lucifer already has a python script written to do the heavy lifting
18:37 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: client still 404s on resource :)
18:38 <Lucifer> yeah, I haven't looked at that yet :)
18:38 <epsy> like tOutput(blah) where blah is a tString
18:38 <Lucifer> epsy: doesn't tOutput represent something more like an output device?
18:38 <epsy> right now it creates a new tOutput with blah as 1st template parameter
18:38 <Lucifer> it's usually the console
18:39 <epsy> tOutput is was makes arma i21d
18:39 <Lucifer> er, wait a minute, I'm not remembering how to use tOutput, heh
18:39 <Lucifer> yeah, I know it handles translating, I guess it doesn't represent a device, then
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18:39 <Lucifer> maybe it should be a device :)
18:40 <Lucifer> blah, I don't remember, I haven't touched tOutput since I wrote the clock hack
18:40 <Lucifer> that was pre-0.2.8
18:40 <epsy> m3e i18n s4d be h5d by g5t
18:40 <Lucifer> who's running aabeta right now?  is it luke-jr?
18:40 <epsy> probably
18:41 <epsy> @list filter
18:41 <teabot> epsy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
18:41 <epsy> time for some python
18:41 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: screenshot: http://dessert.ath.cx/oddblue.png there's an odd blueness.
18:42 <Lucifer> check your floor settings
18:42 <Lucifer> that's the line colors bleeding
18:42 <Lucifer> it looks really pretty, actually
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18:44 <PinkTomato> FLOOR_DETAIL 2 fixes it
18:46 <Lucifer> hey, currently in a source tarball, are the resources shipped already built, or do you need python to build the resources?
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19:07 <epsy> where's pythonlover when you need her
19:07 <Corn> <3 python
19:07 <epsy> ah, got one
19:08 <Corn> armabot impregnated me with python
19:08 <epsy> 2 questions, how do I count what's in a [] and how do I implode a []
19:08 <epsy> whatever you call that
19:09 <Corn> No idea i barely even know c++ i havent tackled python
19:09 <epsy> ..
19:09 <epsy> is there a real python lover around?
19:09 <Corn> Lucifer?
19:09 <epsy> or at least, what the fuck are arrays called with python
19:09 <K-Yo> I think ct|kyle like python, no?
19:10 <Lucifer> lists
19:10 <Lucifer> sequence types
19:10 <Lucifer> something = []
19:10 <epsy> that
19:24 <epsy> how do I access element i of a list?
19:25 <MaZuffeR> list[i]
19:36 <wrtlprnft> fortunately it has sane numbering (ie list[0] is valid)
19:37 <epsy> -1 works as well
19:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ok
19:37 <wrtlprnft> but [0] is most important :-)
19:37 <epsy> still, python ftl :)
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i have yet to see a python program that doesn't annoy the hell out of me
19:38 <wrtlprnft> by being slow, buggy, throwing exceptions, eating tons of memory, or all of the above
19:38 <epsy> 'ight, bzr is slow
19:39 <wrtlprnft> bzr is the best i've seen yet, though
19:39 <epsy> too
19:39 <epsy> it is _only_ slow
19:39 <wrtlprnft> it's usable and you don't immediately see it's python
19:39 <epsy> babybug should be here
19:40 <wrtlprnft> what really amazes me is frozen-bubbles… I was really surprised when i read it was written in perl
19:40 <epsy> well, fb annoys me
19:41 <wrtlprnft> loading takes a while (i wonder what it does in all that time), but otherwise it's great imho
19:42 <epsy> I had seen everybody being so enthusiastic for months about it and what do I discover?
19:42 <epsy> it's a tetris variant.................
19:42 <wrtlprnft> well, it's one of the first linux games i played
19:42 <epsy> mine was something like kolf
19:42 <epsy> crappy hell
19:43 <wrtlprnft> and online games *are* a lot of fun
19:43 <epsy> then neverball/-putt
19:43 <epsy> arma, nex, trem, back to nex, warsow, back to nex
19:43 <epsy> damn intel
19:44 <epsy> always gets in the way
19:44 <epsy> ie. I can't play regular DM on warsow
19:44 <epsy> regular DM or whatever's not with instagib..some trail effects will just trash my PC
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19:46 <Concord> #armagetron.tourneys
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19:50 <epsy> BabyBug, time to rage, check the logs!
19:52 <BabyBug> epsy, i really can't be bothered to :P
19:53 <BabyBug> I'm gonna say Python Rox though!
19:53 <epsy> hahahaha
19:53 <epsy> uhm...where the fuck is substr?
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19:54 <BabyBug> what?
19:54 <epsy> how do I say
19:55 <epsy> I want the string that can be found in this string for poistition a to poistion b
19:55 <BabyBug> you talking about in python?
19:56 <epsy> yes, I'm talking about snakes
19:56 <Concord> your 'python' killed my 'leopard'
19:56 <BabyBug> string[2:10] <-- Where 2 is the starting position and 10 is the ending position to grab from the string?
19:56 <epsy> ok
19:56 <Concord> xP
19:57 <epsy> now why isn't this documented? I don't know
19:57 <BabyBug> lol
19:57 <K-Yo> #ls hoop
19:57 <@armabot> K-Yo: timed out
19:57 <PinkTomato> #lastseen hoop
19:57 <epsy> out.append(''.join( word )[0-8])
19:57 <@armabot> PinkTomato: timed out
19:58 <epsy> python prevents bad habits *cough*
19:58 <PinkTomato> armabot: what! that worked earlier
19:58 <PinkTomato> K-Yo: about a day ago it said
19:58 <BabyBug> lol epsy?
20:00 <K-Yo> PinkTomato, thx
20:02 <BabyBug> epsy, why are you coding in python if you hate it so much?
20:02 <epsy> because i don't have the choice
20:03 <BabyBug> what you doing?
20:03 <epsy> editing soupybot
20:03 <BabyBug> ahhhhhhhh
20:03 <BabyBug> to do what?
20:03  * BabyBug is nosey
20:03 <epsy> agnangangnangagnang
20:03 <BabyBug> gang bang?
20:03 <epsy> exactly
20:03 <BabyBug> i see
20:03 <epsy> well-read
20:03 <BabyBug> ^^
20:04 <Concord> @lastseen hoop
20:04 <teabot> Concord: -»|hoop has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 1 day 8 hours 31 minutes ago.
20:07 <Lucifer> epsy: supybot is *not* an example of good python coding
20:08 <Lucifer> it is an example of clever python coding, but not good python coding
20:09 <Lucifer> oh yeah
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20:09 <Lucifer> epsy: BabyBug's example *is* documented, it's called slice notation
20:09 <Lucifer> it works on any sequence type, not just strings
20:09 <epsy> omg you quitted it
20:09 <Lucifer> I did not
20:09 <Lucifer> somebody's fucking with me
20:09 <epsy> how do you put comments in python source??
20:10 <BabyBug> #
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20:10 <BabyBug> or """ comment <new line> comment """
20:11 <Lucifer> '''    '''  also works
20:11 <Lucifer> no wait, maybe that just makes multiline strings, heh
20:11 <PinkTomato> whats // used for then?
20:11 <epsy> nothing, it produces a parse error
20:12 <PinkTomato> then I don't understand why they didn't keep to the unwritten standard
20:12 <Lucifer> there's no unwritten standard here
20:12 <Lucifer>  // was invented for one-line comments in C++, and a bunch of smegheads copied it
20:12 <Lucifer> it was an abomination when it was invented, it's still an abomination
20:12 <PinkTomato> is it?
20:13 <PinkTomato> what should i be using?
20:13 <PinkTomato> #?
20:13 <PinkTomato> or /* */
20:13 <epsy> and how do I turn an int into a string?
20:14 <Lizmatic> mmm, string..
20:14 <Lucifer> depends on what you're trying to do with it
20:15 <epsy> pass it to a list that's supposed to be a list of strings
20:15 <MaZuffeR> str(int)
20:17 <epsy> mm, something's wrong
20:17 <epsy> @i18n pass it to a list that
20:17 <teabot> epsy: p2s it to a l2t
20:17 <epsy> oh
20:19 <Lucifer> there's another notation that's useful
20:19 <epsy> right, that works now
20:19 <Lucifer> well, opeartor
20:19 <epsy> BabyBug, @i18n and @windows
20:20 <Lucifer> "%d" % someInt
20:20 <BabyBug> @windows
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: (windows <text>) -- Returns he windows version of <text>.
20:20 <BabyBug> @windows sucks
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: SUCKS
20:20 <BabyBug> @i18n what?
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: w3?
20:20 <BabyBug> @i18n
20:20 <teabot> BabyBug: (i18n <text>) -- Returns the i18n version of <text>.
20:20 <BabyBug> fail
20:20 <epsy> I wasn't very inspired for the help texts
20:20 <PinkTomato> @windows What is this windows speak you talk of?
20:20 <teabot> PinkTomato: WHAT IS THIS WINDOWS SPEAK YOU TALK OF?
20:21 <PinkTomato> lol, Ok I understand what @windows does
20:21 <epsy> you still didn't
20:21 <epsy> try with your last phrase
20:21 <Lucifer> @windows people who type in all caps are aol jerks
20:21 <teabot> Lucifer: PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS ARE AOL JERKS
20:22 <epsy> @windows armagetronad is great
20:22 <teabot> epsy: ARMAGE~1 IS GREAT
20:22 <PinkTomato> oo
20:22 <PinkTomato> 8.3
20:24 <PinkTomato> @windows And flecked darkness like a drunkard reels
20:24 <teabot> PinkTomato: AND FLECKED DARKNESS LIKE A DRUNKARD REELS
20:24 <PinkTomato> eh, words were not long enough
20:25 <Lucifer> @windows why did epsy write this thing?
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20:26 <teabot> Lucifer: WHY DID EPSY WRITE THIS THING?
20:26 <PinkTomato> and didn't they change it so it was ARMA~AA1.EXE?
20:30 <BabyBug> @windows Lucifer, so that it can annoy people like so?
20:30 <teabot> BabyBug: LUCIFER, SO THAT IT CAN ANNOY PEOPLE LIKE SO?
20:30 <epsy> use i18n otherwise :)
20:30 <epsy> @i18n Lucifer, so that it can annoy people like so?
20:30 <teabot> epsy: L6, so t2t it c1n a3y p4e l2e s1?
20:32 <Lucifer> @windows epsy has too much time on his hands
20:32 <teabot> Lucifer: EPSY HAS TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS
20:33  * Lucifer thinks he knows why distcheck is failing
20:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's kinda what I figured, but z-man wouldn't even consider it ;)
20:35 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: either way, cp and rm is the same thing in svn
20:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, I run aabeta
20:36 <Lucifer> luke-jr: can I get an account there?
20:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer: uh?
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20:36 <luke-jr> you don't have one? O.o
20:36 <Lucifer> not that I know of
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20:37 <luke-jr> oh weird
20:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: dfancella?
20:37 <Lucifer> I don't remember ever having one
20:37 <Lucifer> that would have to be me, but I don't remember setting it up ;)
20:37 <luke-jr> need a username to add you
20:37 <luke-jr> that doesn't exist yet, did I spell it right?
20:39 <luke-jr> it's too bad git doesn't interoperate with subversion; bzr's merging capabilities do not impress me
20:39 <Lucifer> oh, why not use lucifer as a username?
20:40 <luke-jr> because this server has a lot of users and I've been trying to standardize usernames :þ
20:40 <Lucifer> heh, ok, you spelled it right
20:40 <Lucifer> I think it's the dynamic version generation thing that's screwing up distcheck
20:40 <Lucifer> because it makes configure have to be regenerated
20:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: pastebin your SSH pub key?
20:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: also, please try to ensure 0.3.1's branch makes it into the svn history if it's not too difficult
20:42  * luke-jr should figure out a way to get new bzr branches imported correctly automatically
20:42 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/jeRlZa93.html
20:42 <Lucifer> hmmm, I'd have to know more about how bzr-svn works to do that, heh
20:43 <luke-jr> well, bzr-svn just makes bzr work directly with svn
20:43 <luke-jr> quite nice, actually
20:43 <luke-jr> #svn
20:43 <@armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
20:43 <luke-jr> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
20:43 <luke-jr> :þ
20:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ok, you should be able to login now
20:44 <luke-jr> and you're in the arma group, so you can sudo -u armagetronad as well
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20:57 <smoothice> #myip
20:57 <@armabot> smoothice: 83.243.117.49
21:02 <PinkTomato> epsy: they are done ;)
21:02 <epsy> um, I'm still there
21:03 <PinkTomato> i wanted a -m :D
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21:16 <Corn> Have you guys encountered this problem, i login in the wiki and it says its a successful login but the second i navigate away from that page to another page on the wiki im not logged in anymore. My browser is Opera, which might be the problem.
21:16 <epsy> never encountered that
21:16 <epsy> and opera is fine, maybe ask wrtlprnft
21:17 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/mapgenerator/20081022222601-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
21:17 <Corn> im going to see if i get the problem with mozilla just to be sure
21:17 <epsy> try with cheddar instead
21:18 <Corn> is that another browser?
21:18 <Corn> @g cheddar
21:18 <teabot> Corn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_cheese - Cheddar cheese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:18 <Corn> :/
21:18 <Corn> naive teabot is naive
21:19 <epsy> just a reference to a quote
21:19 <epsy> where somebody reads mozilla as mozarella
21:19 <Corn> lol
21:19 <Corn> well it happens with mozilla aswell
21:19 <Corn> :/
21:20 <epsy> have you checked the remember me fucker checkbox?
21:20 <Corn> :P that should make a difference but i'll try
21:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: z-man: if i didn't want people to change or move my stuff i wouldn't put it on svn :-)
21:21 <Corn> nope didnt work :/
21:21 <epsy> what do you mean by navigating away?
21:21 <Corn> well
21:21 <Corn> when i login it says its successful right?
21:21 <epsy> and proposes a link to return to the page where you click login
21:22 <Corn> i click the link it has going to the main page of the wiki and when it comes up im not logged in anymore
21:22 <epsy> clicked*
21:22 <Corn> yes.
21:22 <Corn> but when i click it im not logged in anymore
21:22 <epsy> check your cookie settings, check if you have disk space, check if you have write permission on your home, check your cookies
21:22 <Corn> browser cookies?
21:23 <epsy> no, cheddar cookies
21:23 <Corn> how about mozarella
21:23 <epsy> for example
21:25 <Corn> should i clear the cookies
21:25 <Corn> i dont want to fux anything up
21:25 <Corn> but i just upgraded so everything is already fuxed up
21:25 <epsy>  yeah, you could clear cookies
21:25 <PinkTomato> erasing cookies will only really destroy and remeber me on websites
21:26 <Corn> im just going to delete all private data just to be sure
21:27 <epsy> awk is neat
21:27 <epsy> but blah
21:27 <epsy> in a perfect world it would be of no use
21:28 <Corn> You are now logged in to Armagetron Advanced Wiki as "Corn".
21:28 <Corn> Return to Main Page.
21:29 <Corn> :/
21:29 <epsy> that's .. good
21:29 <Corn> yeah but
21:29 <epsy> open cookies
21:29 <Corn> i click main page and im logged in
21:29 <smoothice> Corn: Opera?
21:29 <Corn> Yes.
21:29 <smoothice> Corn: OPERA? :O
21:29 <Corn> OPRAH?
21:30 <smoothice> Why not use a real browser?
21:30 <smoothice> like Firefox?
21:30 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Opera is quite nice
21:30 <epsy> opera is a fake browser
21:30 <Corn> firefox is for losers that heard about it from their friends
21:30 <smoothice> IE :P
21:30 <Corn> and dont know how to use their computers but act like they do just cause they dont use ie
21:31 <PinkTomato> don't go saying you want IE removed from windows :D
21:31 <epsy> Corn, I bet you don't do arma wiki searches right in your address bar
21:31 <smoothice> Corn: Opera is for idiots that cannot be bothered by a better browser
21:31 <Corn> idc about your stupid addons :D
21:31 <PinkTomato> At least it is better than IE
21:31 <epsy> actually, it is difficult to get ie running :)
21:31 <smoothice> lol
21:31 <epsy> Corn, I need it
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21:31 <Corn> lazy
21:32 <epsy> that's the job of my computer
21:32 <Corn> :P
21:32 <Corn> honestly browsers dont do much and opera does it find without being annoying
21:32 <PinkTomato> it's a bit pretty though
21:32 <Corn> yeah
21:33 <Corn> it fits my address bar
21:33 <epsy> $ sh batch/make/version --verbose . | awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " substr( $0, index( $0, $2 ) ) }'
21:33 <epsy> awk: .
21:33 <epsy> awk: ^ syntax error
21:34 <epsy> $ echo 'HELLO dolly' | awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " substr( $0, index( $0, $2 ) ) }'
21:34 <epsy> #define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_HELLO dolly
21:34 <epsy> ????
21:34 <PinkTomato> why does it say hello dolly?
21:34 <epsy> because I wrote hello dolly
21:34 <Corn> anyways could someone add my name to the tr players list of ladle 18 because i cant do it :/
21:34 <epsy> now wtf is this syntax error?
21:34 <epsy> it sounds like a bash bug
21:35 <epsy> AHHH
21:36 <PinkTomato> Corn: done
21:36 <Corn> Thanks
21:37 <Corn> When i dont suck at programming im going to write code where every line has a // comment with a story so if the readers are board they can listen to my story
21:37 <Corn> bored*
21:38 <Corn> which you probably are bored if you're reading code
21:38 <epsy> or better, write what the code doesn't do
21:38 <epsy> # This code does not kill kitten
21:38 <Corn> yeah
21:38 <epsy> s
21:39 <Corn> # or smash your dog with a frozen chicken
21:39 <Corn> s
21:39 <epsy> // This does not clear the file
21:40 <epsy> // This function wont help you make money
21:40 <Corn> a = 5; // by the way did you know a is my favorite letter?
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21:49 <z-man> Lucifer: shall I have a look at "make distcheck"?
21:49 <z-man> Most of the build system mess is my mess :)
21:49 <Lucifer> heh, if you want
21:49 <Lucifer> I've isolated the problem
21:49 <Lucifer> and if I talk like someone on the enterprise, it's because I've been watching star trek most of the day
21:50 <z-man> affirmative.
21:50 <Lucifer> dist-hook-scm is the problem
21:50 <Lucifer> I was still working on understanding it when I decided to watch more star trek :)
21:51 <Lucifer> anyway, it reruns bootstrap.sh, then removes automate.cache, which triggers another run of aclocal and friends
21:51 <Lucifer> that whole sequence breaks distcheck because it tries to do all these things in a non-writeable directory
21:52 <z-man> Ah. It shoudln't actually do anything unless the source is scm-managed.
21:52 <z-man> which it isn't in the non-writable directory, that's the source as it's going to get distributed.
21:55 <Lucifer> hmmm, maybe I'm reading it wrong then
21:55 <Lucifer> 0.2.8 has the same hook?
21:55 <z-man> Yes.
21:55 <z-man> The problem is that the test whether the scm hook is supposed to get executed gets it wrong.
21:56 <z-man> It tests for the existence of ${srcdir}/version, which is only supposed to exist on SCM managed source
21:56 <z-man> but somehow, it gets put into the archive.
21:56 <Lucifer> ahhhh
21:58 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/abmap-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
21:59 <Lucifer> am__aclocal_m4_deps = $(top_srcdir)/acinclude.m4 $(top_srcdir)/version   <--- in the generated makefile
22:01 <z-man> yeah, that's fine.
22:01 <epsy> right, my code should be almost ready
22:02 <z-man> I think the problem is that the first run of dist-hook-scm, which is supposed to happen, fails because dlh reorganized the mac files.
22:02 <Lucifer> epsy: your code with all the crazy comments?
22:02 <epsy> no, the crazy code which tells how to label a build
22:03 <z-man> That reminds me, we don't generate ChangeLog from bzr yet.
22:04 <epsy> $ ./armagetronad-dedicated --versioninfo
22:04 <epsy> 0xbf9249b0
22:04 <epsy> woops :P
22:06 <smoothice> #seen luke-jr
22:06 <@armabot> smoothice: luke-jr was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <luke-jr> and you're in the arma group, so you can sudo -u armagetronad as well
22:06 <Lucifer> aha, I see it now, heh
22:06 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8738 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am: Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke the source distribution: mac files got moved and dist-hook-scm wasn't updated.
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22:06 <epsy> http://pastebin.com/m1de4d731
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22:07 <z-man> z?
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22:08 <epsy> you made up that number :)
22:09 <Lucifer> so, how do I branch in such a way that svn still gets updated with 0.3.1 branch commits?
22:09 <epsy> what I know is that to get correct versionning automatically it should be "0.3.1"
22:09 <luke-jr> smoothice: Firefox sucks btw
22:10 <smoothice> luke-jr: pm
22:11 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron <http://www.freepcgamers.com/2009/01/armagetron.html>
22:12 <Lucifer> epsy: after branching, I'll change major_version and minor_version as appropriate
22:12 <luke-jr> z-man: is ChangeLog from bzr even possible, seeing as bzr doesn't have the log?
22:13 <z-man> Of course bzr has the log.
22:13 <Lucifer> it has to have the log
22:13 <Lucifer> if you have a real branch, right?  not a checkout?
22:13 <luke-jr> z-man: I thought bzr's log only goes back to when the bzr was setup
22:13 <z-man> If you have a checkout, the log is fetched from the remote branch, i think.
22:14 <z-man> Ah. Of course, the log won't be the COMPLETE log. Yes. It stops at one point where philippecq hacked the source repository and made bzr-svn think all branches started there.
22:14 <epsy> Lucifer, well, one of the points in my script is to not rely on this
22:15 <Lucifer> epsy: what script?
22:15 <Lucifer> is it the thing you linked a few minutes ago?
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/RaceMap-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
22:15 <epsy> the one that fills tTrueVersion.h
22:16 <epsy> (prev. nTrueVersion.h)
22:16 <epsy> should I commit?
22:16 <Lucifer> hmmm, probably not?
22:16 <Lucifer> heh
22:16 <Lucifer> do you want it for 0.3.1, or just for the future in general?
22:16 <epsy> at least until .3.2 ?
22:17 <Lucifer> er, you know what?  I don't care if you commit it, as long as you can fix anything it breaks that 0.3.1 needs
22:18  * Lucifer was never real sure about how version numbers made it into all the places they go
22:18 <epsy> well, the patch touches Makefile.am
22:18 <Lucifer> z-man: thanks, it's made it past that point, now it's oon the "let's bbuild the program five times and see what happens"
22:19 <z-man> For me, too :)
22:19 <z-man> Only it's much slower.
22:19 <Lucifer> we should use arma's make distcheck to benchmark CPUs
22:20 <epsy> haha
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22:21 <epsy> pushed
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22:26 <K-Yo> emmy_arma, where were you? not visiting our match?
22:27 <emmy_arma> busy with a project for school
22:27 <K-Yo> oh
22:27 <K-Yo> fyi we lost :P
22:27 <emmy_arma> S:
22:28 <epsy> who against?
22:28 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r747 Removed one roadblock in "make distcheck", which also broke ... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r748 New version labelling script, also includes --versioninfo an...
22:29 <K-Yo> epsy, a team flex made up
22:29 <K-Yo> with flex, dreadlord, viper, subzero, radian, raiden
22:29 <MaZuffeR> and me
22:29 <K-Yo> and 2 others
22:29 <K-Yo> yeah
22:29 <K-Yo> and one other
22:30 <K-Yo> I don't remember
22:30 <MaZuffeR> that was everyone, i think
22:30 <MaZuffeR> we played with 6 after dreadlord left
22:30 <K-Yo> orly?
22:30 <K-Yo> hmmm
22:30 <K-Yo> oh yeah
22:30 <K-Yo> true
22:30 <K-Yo> 7V7 at start
22:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8739 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (11 files in 7 dirs): epsy: New version labelling script, also includes --versioninfo and /help version
22:34 <Lucifer> is it worth getting a power adapter to move my voip box to my bedroom?
22:34 <z-man> Err, 11 files in 7 dirs for that?
22:35 <Lucifer> epsy likes to go in and randomly change comments, adding a space here, a line break there
22:35 <Flex> where's the fortress brawl teams?
22:35 <MaZuffeR> Flex, http://twisted-rats.co.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=65
22:35 <Flex> thanks
22:36 <MaZuffeR> np, i was just reading it :)
22:36 <z-man> Lucifer: ah, no, of course there's the /help version chat command attached to it, and various other stuff.
22:37 <epsy> tTrueVersion changing place, additions alongside \g, and a fix to /help (because it was broken)
22:38 <epsy> but well, I could have done the fix to /help on another branch then push from there, commit my work rebase & uncommit, but gah..
22:40 <Lucifer> epsy:  http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201788#201788
22:40 <z-man> Lucifer: darn, distcheck still fails, but at the end. One file is not deleted. Name: "ption". Odd.
22:40 <Lucifer> that happens in 0.2.8 too
22:41 <Lucifer> there's also a file simply named @
22:41 <z-man> Possibly a $option in a file where it gets interpreted as ${o}ption
22:42 <Lucifer> er, is tResourceManager.h missing from the code::blocks project?
22:42 <epsy> no wonder
22:42 <epsy>  748. By  epsy  1 hour ago
22:42 <epsy>  747. By  z-man  35 minutes ago
22:42 <epsy> meh.
22:43 <z-man> What about that?
22:43 <epsy> it's not related
22:44 <z-man> k, /me ignores epsy
22:44 <Flex> K-Yo, i did say we were serious
22:44 <epsy> but still, damn windows messed up my clock and I'm now bugging launchpad
22:44 <Flex> ! :p
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, sorry?
22:44 <Lucifer> when's the last time the windows build worked?
22:44 <K-Yo> what are you talking about?
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, the match?
22:44 <Flex> yeah
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, we were too :P
22:44 <K-Yo> Flex, at least I was
22:44 <Lucifer> anybody who builds arma themselves needs to be in here
22:44 <K-Yo> but we had some hmmmm def trouble at start let's say ;)
22:44 <Flex> i think we were good enough to do 3-0
22:45 <Lucifer> can we put something into configure that requires a person to be currently present in this channel before it can build?
22:45 <K-Yo> Flex, well, depends on what positions we were
22:45 <K-Yo> but the matches we won were quite close indeed
22:45 <Flex> talk to me for another one.. i want to do sav2.0
22:47 <z-man> Lucifer: I haven't tested building in Windows for a while.
22:47  * Lucifer wonders if it was this computer that he installed code::blocks under wine
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8740 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. Makefile.manual): Manuel Moos: ChangeLog and fingerprint are now generated from bzr, too.
22:48 <Lucifer> nope, not this one
22:48 <Flex> wrtlprnft was doing that
22:48 <luke-jr> Lucifer: do you want me to write that?
22:48  * Lucifer considers trying to cross-compile arma again
22:48 <Lucifer> luke-jr: write what?
22:48 <Lucifer> oh yeah, heh
22:48 <luke-jr> [15:45:10] <Lucifer> can we put something into configure that requires a person to be currently present in this channel before it can build?
22:49 <Lucifer> it wouldn't work for people building on windows, and it's a guy building on windows that I want in here
22:49 <K-Yo> Flex, sure :) I'd love to do another one
22:49 <luke-jr> :/
22:49 <luke-jr> python script
22:49 <luke-jr> connects to IRC and requires someone in the channel to OK the configure build
22:50 <luke-jr> "Waiting for permission from IRC… login to #Armagetron on chat.freenode.net and say I Approve This Build"
22:51 <epsy> K-Yo, http://www.viedemerde.fr/concours/noel2008/photo/99
22:53 <K-Yo> haha j'temmerde :P
22:53 <epsy> c'est toi en +jeune et en métalloreggae
22:54 <epsy> et en gros, aussi
22:54 <epsy> lol :D
22:54  * Lucifer is trying to avoid getting distracted by trying to cross-compile the trunk
22:54 <Lucifer> luke-jr: any suggestions on how to branch and have svn pick up the changes?
22:55 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/NealsRacingCircuit-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:56 <K-Yo> moi? ^o)
22:56 <K-Yo> c'est pas une meuf?
22:56 <K-Yo> metalloreggae...
22:56 <epsy> peut-être
22:57 <epsy> ben le bonnet
22:57 <K-Yo> ouais j'ai vu
22:57 <K-Yo> je t'avouerai, c'est EXACTEMENT moi
22:57 <K-Yo> mais en fille
22:57 <K-Yo> en plus jeune
22:57 <K-Yo> en metalloraggae
22:57 <epsy> exactement
22:57 <K-Yo> avec un cd de kyo et une pelluche bizarre
22:57 <K-Yo> exactement
22:57 <Lucifer> exactement
22:57 <K-Yo> Proposée le 30/12/2008 - Par ange_metallik - Offert par : ma grand-mère et ma petite soeur (7 ans)
22:58 <K-Yo> hehe
22:58 <z-man> aha!
22:58 <z-man> gcc -option
22:58 <z-man> called somewhere from configure
22:59 <Lucifer> AX_CXXFLAGS_GCC_OPTION()
22:59 <Lucifer> line 342 or so
22:59 <Lucifer> configure.ac
23:00 <z-man> yep.
23:00 <z-man> That was required to get the later call to the same macro inside a conditional to work
23:00 <z-man> I'll just give it an insane argument and see what happens :)
23:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8741 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tVersion.h): epsy: missed to add this file(comes along with r748)
23:01 <Lucifer> is it the conditional that's the problem, or does it just need to be called without arguments to work?
23:02 <epsy> nighty
23:02 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has quit ["uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"]
23:02 <z-man> It was the conditional.
23:03 <Lucifer> #m epsy <-- epsy has left this server ("uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!").
23:03 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:04  * Lucifer hopes the copy and paste operation preserved the overall broken-ness of epsy's quit message
23:04 <Lucifer> (but even so, it's a silly message to receive from armabot)
23:06 <Lucifer> oh yeah, automake doesn't recognize the shell scripting in configure.ac
23:07 <z-man> Ok, I fixed the ption file on 0.2.8, I think. Testing it now. Then, merge stuff to the trunk and test it again. Fun.
23:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer: most obvious way to me, is to branch on Svn first, then setup the bzr mirroring thing
23:09 <luke-jr> z-man left me with the impression that was a simple task ☺
23:09 <smoothice> #help m
23:09 <@armabot> smoothice: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $*".
23:10 <Lucifer> well, see, whatever we do in 0.3.1 will get merged back to the trunk anyway
23:10 <z-man> Yeah, but we want to test the pure bzr approach.
23:10 <Lucifer> so the only thhing we'd lose with the pure bzr approach is a direct history oof the 0.3.1 branch in svvn
23:11  * Lucifer caved and is installing mingw
23:11 <luke-jr> "ou    b   ond  in  o  on  do s  i  upsid -do n"
23:11 -!- PinkTomato [n=Sam@5ac9eb25.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
23:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer: while svn's primary purpose is to keep the history complete
23:12  * luke-jr ponders epsy's msg further
23:13 <luke-jr> "you ____b___ond__in___o__on__do_s___i__ upside-down"
23:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8742 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): Manuel Moos: Added check for silly GCC flag to avoid creation of file named "ption".
23:14 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/CodeRed/polygon/regular/CoolRace-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by CodeRed
23:14 <z-man> ARGH
23:14 <z-man> epsy's version change produces TONS of warnings.
23:14 <luke-jr> argc!
23:15 <z-man> and errors, too.
23:15  * z-man ponders to add a "never, ever, commit before you go to bed" guideline.
23:16 <Lucifer> roll it back?
23:16  * Lucifer was really wanting to branch soon, and is willing to remove epsy's drive-by commit to do it
23:16 <z-man> Not really an option when you want to merge stuff.
23:16 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
23:17 <z-man> Ah, that sort of roll back. No, just don't update.
23:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you could branch from the previous rev
23:17 <z-man> The distcheck problem is in check and can be ignored.
23:17 <Lucifer> I'm still sitting on the previous rev
23:17 <Lucifer> can be fixed in the branch, too
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: Can you provide me with any php code for me to base this off of? Maybe the code for the XML validation uploader?
23:18 <luke-jr> smoothice: it's all public
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: where can I download it?
23:18 <luke-jr> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource
23:18 <z-man> Lucifer: No, it can't be fixed in the branch if the fix is done in 0.2.8.
23:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: thanks
23:19 <z-man> We can't merge from svn 0.2.8 to a pure bzr branch.
23:19 <z-man> And as far as bzr is concerned, 0.2.8 and trunk are incompatible.
23:19 <z-man> Of course, we can just duplicate the fix.
23:20 <Lucifer> yeah, that's what I meant, just duplicate the fix :)
23:20 <Lucifer> do I have to create a series for 0.3.1?
23:21 <z-man> Ah, bootstrap already fails.
23:22 <z-man> Should be a breeze.
23:22 <z-man> What's a series?
23:23 <Lucifer> not sure, heh
23:23 <Lucifer> we have trunk and 0.2.8
23:27 <z-man> Well, either add it to trunk or create a 0.3 series.
23:28 <z-man> #m epsy == is not a good operator in shell scripts. And -P is an experimental option in grep and therefore not a good idea :)
23:28 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:29 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r974 Added check for silly GCC flag to avoid creation of file nam... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r749 missed to add this file(comes along with r748)... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r973 ChangeLog and fingerprint are now generated from bzr, too....
23:33 <z-man> epsy seems a little too eager to add complication sometimes.
23:33 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/NealsRacingCircuit-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
23:34 <Lucifer> heh
23:35 <Lucifer> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1
23:36 <z-man> Oooh, I know.
23:36 <z-man> I'll merge the fixes to the trunk with svn
23:36 <z-man> then we'll merge them to 0.3.1 with bzr.
23:36 <Lucifer> heh
23:37 <Lucifer> fixing epsy's stuff, or just the last distcheck fix?
23:37 <z-man> The distcheck stuff. I suppose you'll be waiting to branch for the epsy cleanup.
23:38 <Lucifer> no, I just branched, since I hadn't pulled epsy's mess
23:38 <smoothice> luke-jr: It works... thanks
23:38 <Lucifer> well, let's see if freetype will cross-compile
23:38 <K-Yo> #list later
23:38 <@armabot> K-Yo: notes and tell
23:38 <K-Yo> #later notes epsy
23:39 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 35 minutes ago: <Lucifer> <-- epsy has left this server ("uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"). and Sent 10 minutes ago: <z-man> == is not a good operator in shell scripts. And -P is an experimental option in grep and therefore not a good idea :)
23:39 <Lucifer> #later tell K-Yo it's rude to read someone's mail!
23:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:39 <z-man> Lucifer: well, we can still cherry-pick stuff from the trunk to 0.3.1.
23:41 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer if you want it to be private, don't use #later tell ;)
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:41 <smoothice> #notes smoothice
23:41 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:41 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer else, you can try to change armabot so the #later notes is not accessuble
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:41 <K-Yo> #later notes
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: I currently have notes waiting for $MrBougo, $randomnick, *mougo*, <<sh1n>>, <sh1n>, cid_06, ct¦kyle, dBd|nano, Durka,, eddie, epsy, epsy:, espy, everyone, G5_Ger, guru, how, I, kyle, later, Lucifer, monkey, Nickserv, noob7_away, operserv, philippec, ratchet, ratchet-, rickyross, royale, sebol, sithy, someone, somody, sunnygirl, unknown, voodoo, wrtlprnft..., wrtlpwnft, xs20, [dlh], and (1 more message)
23:41 <K-Yo> #more
23:41 <@armabot> K-Yo: aa_voodoo.
23:41 <smoothice> #notes $randomnick
23:41 <K-Yo> @later notes Lucifer
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 27 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, (1 more message)
23:42 <Lucifer> #m K-Yo privacy shouldn't require special technology, it's a human convention
23:42 <teabot> K-Yo: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:42 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
23:42 <smoothice> #list Notes
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: 'Notes' is not a valid plugin.
23:42 <smoothice> #list Later
23:42 <@armabot> smoothice: notes and tell
23:42 <K-Yo> Lucifer, hmmm, you are right, but there will always be bad people, technologie can help us to protect our private stuff
23:42 <K-Yo> #m Lucifer  hmmm, you are right, but there will always be bad people, technologie can help us to protect our private stuff
23:42 <@armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
23:43 <K-Yo> #notes kyle
23:43 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> hello, Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> just testing thes later thing, Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <eddiefantastic> if you actually get it ;), and Sent 32 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, and 16 minutes ago: <aa_voodoo> I'm logging at forums. Can you (1 more message)
23:43 <K-Yo> #notes unknown
23:43 <@armabot> K-Yo: Sent 2 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, and 39 minutes ago: <Sakireth> this is a test
23:44 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has quit ["Quitte"]
23:45 <Lucifer> hmmmm, anybody remember how we got arma to link to an opengl library when cross-compiling?
23:47 <z-man> #m epsy tTrueVersion.h isn't built automatically.
23:47 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> #m epsy and even if it is built manually, I still get undefined symbols.
23:48 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> #m epsy in other words, FIX YOUR STUFF.
23:48 <@armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <z-man> heh, poor epsy
23:49 <Lucifer> ummm, yeah
23:49 <Lucifer> he made another commit that added that file, because he'd forgotten to include it
23:49 <Lucifer> in his original commit
23:49 <z-man> no, that was tVersion.h
23:49 <z-man> which includes tTrueVersion.h
23:50 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8743 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/make/version: Fixed some shell scripting errors and removed -P option from greps, they didn't even use any special perl stuff.
23:52 <Lucifer> ah, ok
23:53 <Lucifer> well, I posted my resume on craigslist in the middle of last week and so far have gotten two inquiries from it
23:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man: building the trunk in windows works fine, there's a relatively new snapshot on aabete.
23:53 <wrtlprnft> *beta
23:54 <wrtlprnft> the only thing you need to know is that you can't use python 3.x, it will fail with weird errors and if you fix those some string library will be missing
23:55 <wrtlprnft> the equivalent to STL <sstream>, as far as i could tell
23:56 -!- z-man [n=manuel@bl4-154-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]

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