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Log from 2009-01-03:
--- Day changed Sat Jan 03 2009
00:06 <Corn> 1337 ping thats an accomplishment if anything
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00:12 <epsy> Corn:
00:12 <epsy> @sd -v cafe
00:12 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (10/32): %|% Corn, ( (P4@crazy-tronners.com), catberg, CTT_speed, epsy¦×¦ (epsy@x/member), Ju 87, LoRdVaDeR, nate, TheDiff, ~|DS|~ Judders
00:12 <epsy> note the -v
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00:13 <BabyBug> ca
00:13 <BabyBug> cafe crash?
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00:14 <Corn> #armaservers
00:14 <@armabot> Corn: This data is 3 seconds old; -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (12/12), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (12/12), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (10/14), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (8/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), {Delicious Desserts} High Rubber (7/10), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (6/14), Fortress Café (6/32), Best Server Ever (CTF) (5/8), Swampland Mud Puddle (1 more message)
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00:15 <Corn> i might of crashed it due to my obscene ping if so sorry
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00:26 <epsy> BabyBug, I am still connected
00:27 <epsy> I was
00:27 <epsy> (I just left)
00:27 <BabyBug> ?
00:28 <epsy> [23:13] <BabyBug>: cafe crash?
00:28 <BabyBug> =\
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [0] User 15 timed out.
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [15] BabyBug left Team blue.
00:30 <epsy> Jan 03 00:14:22 [15] Killing user 15, ping 0.0696892.
00:34 <epsy> z-man, right, I now tried 3 times to post about this, with no success..
00:35 <z-man> Well, he timed out. Nothing we can diagnose without recordings from both client and server.
00:36 <z-man> Sometimes it just happens that packets get lost over and over in the network itself.
00:36 <epsy> z-man, er no, it's not about BabyBug, it's about build-tagging
00:36 <BabyBug> and it's she*... *cough*
00:36 <z-man> oh.
00:36 <epsy> or whatever you call what shows up when armagetronad is prompted with --version
00:36 <z-man> to both of you :)
00:37 <z-man> epsy: what about it?
00:37 <luke-jr> back to the problem of gettign Svn rev info into Bzr?
00:37 <epsy> I'd like to propose this format:
00:37 <z-man> luke-jr: no, we won't get the svn revision into bzr.
00:38 <luke-jr> z-man: alpha #s are based on that info
00:38 <epsy> Unmodified(=empty diff + not diverged):
00:38 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}
00:38 <epsy> Unmodified + tagged:
00:39 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}_${tag}
00:39 <z-man> luke-jr: that's how we handled it so far. No harm in using bzr revisions instead, if it's properly marked.
00:39 <Corn> #echo test
00:39 <luke-jr> z-man: bzr rev numbers are meaningless
00:39 <@armabot> test
00:39 <epsy> Modified, or diverged:
00:39 <z-man> umm, the branch nick is determined locally.
00:39 <z-man> luke-jr: that's why epsy is proposing all that additional info.
00:39 <luke-jr> epsy also seems to miss the point that tags are unique, so ${tag} by itself is for a tagged one
00:39 <epsy>   ${branchNick}_alpha_r${revno}_${buildDate}
00:40 <luke-jr> z-man: what additioal info?
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00:40 <epsy> now to the explanations..
00:40 <luke-jr> z-man: ${branchNick}_alpha${revno} is what we have right now
00:40 <luke-jr> but it only makes sense with svn
00:40 <z-man> shut up for a moment and let him explain, will you?
00:40 <epsy> 1/ tags being shows after revision:
00:40 <luke-jr> he did a few days ago ☺
00:41 <epsy> first off, tags in bzr seem to be way easier to handle than with svn
00:41 <z-man> not to me :)
00:41 <epsy> so I can expect people to use it more often, and not only for releases
00:41  * luke-jr coughs… tags in svn are trivial one-liners
00:41 <epsy> mainly to keep order sane on aabeta and elsewhere, i'd keep it to a suffix
00:42 <z-man> luke-jr: please, please stfu for a bit
00:42 <z-man> yeah, the version IDs in filenames need to be short.
00:43 <z-man> the "how the hell do I fetch the exact source of this build?" info can be long and can be included in the release.
00:43 <epsy> 2. branch nicks are not versionned, and that prevents merging a release series into another one accidentally
00:43 <epsy> (unlike one could currently do)
00:43 <epsy> but the problem is, indeed, that there will be trouble determining a sane branch nick
00:44 <epsy> (ie. we do not want trunk-armagetronad-work_alpha_r800
00:44 <z-man> well, we already have the major version number directly in the source, because indeed we have the same problem already.
00:44 <epsy> so yeah, that's why I didn't put that in already
00:44 <epsy> and well, that's where the superproject could help
00:45 <epsy> aand there was a third thing I now forgot about
00:45 <z-man> also, how does the build know whether a branch has been modified relative to the current official state?
00:45 <epsy> ah, yeah, that thing
00:46 <epsy> there's the bzr missing command, but it wont work if the branch's parent is not set properly
00:46 <epsy> if I remember correctly, what we should do is to only do that if tree is NOT a checkout
00:47 <z-man> Well, can't do a proper release if the pull location is not one of our official branches.
00:47 <epsy> (ie. if it's not bound)
00:47 <z-man> and the pull location is echoed by "bzr missing".
00:47 <epsy> otherwise, I *think* parent branch is set when branching
00:48 <epsy> well, yeah, but there still needs to be something that understands what is official branches or not
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00:48 <epsy> (branch nicks may help here)
00:49 <epsy> also, bzr missing returns 1 when branches diverged and 0 when they didn't, so we don't really have to parse the output
00:49 <epsy> except maybe for checking parent branch location
00:50 <epsy> but this should be done properly, ie. with the command to fetch branch metadata
00:50 <z-man> right now, everything starting with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/ would be official, I'd say.
00:50 <epsy> yes
00:50 <epsy> for the rest, we can just assume parent branch is right
00:51 <epsy> or we should use pull branch, if available
00:51 <z-man> Oh yeah, for fetching the exact source, just log the revision ID (the long internal one, not the number) somewhere. Those are unique.
00:52 <epsy> yeah, but that probably just can't fit in version
00:52 <z-man> No :) And it doesn't sort.
00:52 <epsy> it might find it's place along compiler options, and such, under some sort of build environnement thingy
00:53 <z-man> As I said, we have two problems: 1. get nice short build names with ascending numbers and 2. get back the source of a build.
00:53 <epsy> yep
00:53 <epsy> well, or know you can't get the source
00:53 <z-man> the revision ID completely solves 2. It even works even after merging.
00:54 <luke-jr> z-man: bzr has a long revision ID⁇
00:54 <luke-jr> nice
00:55 <epsy> not really available to someone external to the server staff, if we throw it along server build options
00:55 <luke-jr> sigh
00:55 <luke-jr> why don't we have every build include a MD5 of each source file, along with a MD5 of all those MD5s?
00:56 <luke-jr> then it's SCM-independent
00:56 <luke-jr> :þ
00:56 <z-man> just for a bit, I'm /ignoring luke. I'll /unignore him later.
00:56 <luke-jr> pfft
00:56 <luke-jr> I'm leaving now anyway
00:56 <z-man> We can add a /version chat command, how about that?
00:57 <z-man> The client could list the revision ID and other extended build info in the about page. I forgot what's already there :)
00:57 <epsy> wasn't there an exploit related to one specific compiler?
00:57 <epsy> well, /help version ?
00:57 <epsy> sounds more appropriate
00:57 <z-man> right.
00:58 <z-man> exploit?
00:58 <epsy> I told you not to use PGCC.
00:58 <epsy> or was it another one
00:58 <z-man> Ah, that :) Yes.
00:58 <z-man> Exceptions didn't work properly in PGCC.
00:59 <z-man> But PGCC is dead (well, merged into GCC) anyway and outdated, so no worries there any more.
00:59 <epsy> or you mean having version just contain some info on the source, but not build environnement info?
01:00 <z-man> We can't get all the build environment info there anyway. It's just too huge.
01:00 <epsy> yeah
01:00 <z-man> Plus, there's unlikely to be a big difference in the general outcome, so in those cases where there are relevant differences in build environments, we can just ask about them.
01:01 <z-man> Automating that is going to be more work than it saves us :)
01:01 <epsy> right
01:01 <z-man> (You can bet that we'll be omitting the one bit that matters anyway)
01:01 <epsy> heck yeah
01:02 <z-man> There's a small problem with using revision numbers to tag releases.
01:02 <z-man> (unignoring luke-jr here)
01:02 <z-man> They're not ascending in all cases.
01:02 <z-man> Say I go to a desert Island and commit 10 revisions there.
01:03 <z-man> I come back and while I was away, you committed 100 and pused them up.
01:03 <epsy> yeah, so diverged should be different
01:03 <z-man> I merge the official branch into my work branch and push the result.
01:03 <z-man> Tata, last revision ID goes down by 91.
01:04 <z-man> (Of course, then comes bazaarmagetron and reverses my merge, pushing the revision ID back up.)
01:04 <epsy> er wait
01:04 <epsy> yeah
01:05 <z-man> We could combat that problem even without bazaarmagetron with merge policies.
01:05 <z-man> It's always nicer to merge into a public branch than to merge from it, then push the result anyway.
01:05 <epsy> ${branchNick}_alpha_r${lca}_r{revno}
01:06 <epsy> (lca meaning last common ancestor)
01:06 <epsy> it's confusing but isn't DVCS confusing already?
01:06 <epsy> :)
01:06 <z-man> Or we could simly just tag versions by date again.
01:07 <epsy> yeah, and use lca instead of revno
01:07 <epsy> better, indeed
01:07 <z-man> I don't think you can find the lca locally, really.
01:08 <epsy> yeah, that's the thing I fear
01:08 <z-man> It's only known to the branch actively doing the merging, the regular work branches and their copies on LP don't know.
01:08 <epsy> but well, who's gonna see it, if the machine's cut off from the internet?
01:11 <epsy> I would need to check what bzr returns when cut from network, heh
01:11 <z-man> Yeah :)
01:11 <epsy> and in that case, just have it with "local" or something, somewhere....
01:13 <z-man> Hey, you could count the number of unique revisions in the branch.
01:14 <epsy> not when it is cut off from network
01:14 <z-man> bzr log --show-ids | grep revision-id | sort -u | wc -l
01:14 <z-man> Yes you can :)
01:15 <z-man> That should be an always increasing number (after refining the grep, of course). Merged revisions are listed, too.
01:16 <epsy> that sorts by date
01:17 <epsy> I don't get what that command does, except counting present revisions
01:18 <z-man> yes, precisely :)
01:18 <z-man> That's a number that increases over time for every branch.
01:18 <epsy> just like revision numbers
01:19 <z-man> They're not guaranteed to be increasing over time.
01:19 <z-man> Not with pure bzr, anyway.
01:20 <epsy> oh, that would count merged revisions that are tracked by bzr
01:20 <z-man> Right.
01:21 <z-man> I hope.
01:21 <epsy> why would we need that?
01:21 <z-man> It would also count people writing revision_id into their commit message, of course :)
01:21 <z-man> We need that because version IDs need to properly sort.
01:22 <z-man> You can't release r50 today, develop a bit, then release r49.
01:23 <epsy> that gives a bit of an idea of how far one revision is far from one other (here from rev 1) but that's all I can deduce
01:23 <epsy> far still being very relative
01:24 <z-man> Of course, but it's just for the filename tags.
01:24 <z-man> Their prime mission is to be short and increasing over time.
01:24 <epsy> buildtags?
01:25 <z-man> whatever you want to call them.
01:25 <epsy> if you have a better name for them, I'm all ears
01:26 <z-man> tags implies tags in the source control, so maybe just "build ids".
01:26 <epsy> but uhm, I don't get what's the point of counting revids(which is pretty much the same as counting revnos that appear)
01:27 <z-man> They're easier to grep for, I think.
01:27 <z-man> We could just as well simply take the number of lines of "bzr log".
01:28 <epsy> well yeah
01:28 <epsy> oh I get what you mean with revision count
01:28 <epsy> right
01:30 <epsy> that wont count merged revisions
01:30 <z-man> Local modifications are a bit of a problem with any system.
01:30 <z-man> If we both decide to make a build with one local modification, the'yd produce the same filename.
01:31 <epsy> butit's labelled with a date, which means it was changed anyway
01:32 <z-man> Hmm, right.
01:32 <epsy> (label sounds good, doesn't it?)
01:32 <z-man> yep.
01:33 <epsy> so yeah, we still keep on revno?
01:34 <z-man> no. just $(bzr log --short | wc -l).
01:34 <z-man> Quick and dirty :)
01:35 <z-man> oh wait, no
01:35 <epsy> hm, problem with this, is that it's quite of a one way algorithm
01:35 <z-man> no --short. That culls merges.
01:35 <epsy> it's almost as usable as the md5 hash of a revno
01:36 <epsy> but keeps order sane..damn
01:36 <z-man> That wouldn't be increasing over time :)
01:36 <z-man> And really, just cram the revision ID somewhere so it can be retrieved once the build is unpacked.
01:37 <epsy> so in /help version and in ... --versioninfo ??
01:38 <z-man> Sure.
01:38 <epsy> what about revision number? while it doesnt sort properly, it still helps our human beings
01:43 <epsy> it's sad, bzr revno was so easy to use :)
01:43 <z-man> the extended version info can contain all the crap we want.
01:43 <z-man> Build date, bzr revno, builder, compiler version, whatever.
01:44 <z-man> anyway, bedtime.
01:44 <epsy> good night
01:49  * BabyBug waves
01:49 <ct|kyle> #ctwf
01:49 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress.: Players (8/14): BotijoConRuedas, b°b°, Gnorty, MrChiCho, nogpin*, oGRy, pinnaple XPREZZ, [nc] jc.bot
01:49 <ct|kyle> I think more people like the old school now
01:50 <BabyBug> ?
01:50 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: have you been there this week
01:50 <BabyBug> yeh
01:50 <BabyBug> ?
01:51 <ct|kyle> it is old school
01:51 <BabyBug> what's the difference? :s
01:51 <ct|kyle> only 20 maps and with 7 players or less there is 32 axes chico
01:51 <BabyBug> ah
01:52 <ct|kyle> 19 rounds instead of 12
01:52 <ct|kyle> 10*
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01:57 <BabyBug> 32 axis suck.......
02:00 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: 32 axes is what it used to be, I pwn at it :)
02:00 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, it sucks
02:00 <ct|kyle> I really don't like 16
02:00 <ct|kyle> brake boos and 16 axes is what i don't like
02:00 <ct|kyle> boost*
02:01 <BabyBug> i dont like brake boost by 32 axis is too much =(
02:02 <BabyBug> i literally can't turn properly on it
02:02 <BabyBug> i stop pressing the buttons...but it's still turning ><
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03:14 <Sumoooo> Question:  To make me admin on my server supporting authentication:  What do I need?
03:14 <Sumoooo> Global_ID 1
03:14 <Sumoooo> What else?
03:14 <PinkTomato> and a server compiled with armathentication
03:14 <Sumoooo> Done :D
03:14 <Sumoooo> hey pink D:
03:14 <PinkTomato> hey Sumoooo :)
03:14 <Sumoooo> :D
03:15 <Sumoooo> whats the command for 1 admin 3 mod etc
03:15 <Sumoooo> i forgot
03:15 <PinkTomato> What do you mean?
03:15 <Sumoooo> Isnt there a command to make @name "#" that allows you admin?
03:15 <Sumoooo> when u login?
03:15 <PinkTomato> Oh how to make someone an administrator?
03:15 <Sumoooo> yah!
03:15 <Sumoooo> :D
03:16 <PinkTomato> #cfg USER_LEVEL
03:16 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
03:16 <PinkTomato> .cfg USER_LEVEL
03:16 <PinkTomato> tronner isn't here,
03:16 <Sumoooo> aww
03:16 <PinkTomato> anyway It's USER_LEVEL <<name>> <<level>> I think
03:17 <PinkTomato> the 3 important levels are 0,1 and 2
03:17 <PinkTomato> 0: Owner, 1:Administrator 2: Moderator
03:17 <BabyBug> When he says name he means.... Sumooo@forums for example...not just your arma name
03:18 <Sumoooo> i know :D thanks for the help you guys :D
03:18 <BabyBug> and gurls*
03:18 <PinkTomato> Ty BabyBug, I should have remebered that :)
03:18 <Sumoooo> and girl!
03:18 <Sumoooo> babybug!  Kim PINE????
03:18 <BabyBug> Whut?
03:18 <PinkTomato> i'm sure its no problem :)
03:18 <Sumoooo> who is babybug... not too many gurls that play tron
03:18 <Sumoooo> xD
03:19  * BabyBug is BabyBug
03:19 <PinkTomato> BabyBug is BabyBug :)
03:19 <BabyBug> jinx!
03:19 <Sumoooo> :o
03:19 <BabyBug> lalalala
03:19  * PinkTomato mmm!
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03:25  * PinkTomato mumbles: "good night"
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03:40 <epsy> lalalalal
03:40 <BabyBug> lalalalaa
03:40 <epsy> trunk-eevents_alpha_n698_20090103
03:40 <epsy> now that's actually wrong
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03:41 <epsy> Sumoooo, the example config file will *always* remember
03:42 <Sumoooo> hahaha
03:42 <Sumoooo> i love u eps
03:42 <epsy> it's iiiinn.......tadaadadadada.....config/ !
03:42 <Sumoooo> hey, any way to make my global ID hidden without using that crappy buggy new client wrtl made?
03:42 <BabyBug> hey! that's mean
03:42 <Sumoooo> sorry!  love much
03:43 <epsy> I agree we should lay off all of what's crap in armagetron to wrtlprnft
03:43 <epsy> well, you can use the alpha or build your own
03:43 <epsy> trunk-eevents_alpha_n707_20090103
03:43 <Sumoooo> otay
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03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk-armagetronad-eevent $ ../trunk/batch/make/version ../trunktrunk_alpha_n707_
03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk-armagetronad-eevent $ cd ../trunk
03:45 <epsy> epsy@heidi trunk $ ../trunk/batch/make/version .
03:45 <epsy> trunk_alpha_n742_
03:46 <epsy> first line are actually two lines
03:46 <epsy> but that's a little fuckt up
03:47 <epsy> woops, i forgot to specify directory in magic count
03:47 <epsy> or fool's number, whatever you call it
03:49 <BabyBug> epsy's number
03:49 <epsy> actually it's zman's
03:49 <epsy> i'll prefix it with z, it actually makes more sense than n
03:52 <epsy> darn I hate just basing myself on a program's stdout
03:53 <epsy> erm, please swap hate and just when reading
03:53 <BabyBug> :s
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04:39 <teabot> armablah: Tron for Peace <http://www.gregniemeyer.com/?p=45> || The Innovation Lover » GNU/Linux gamers, Cheers ! <http://www.sarathlakshman.info/2007/12/24/gnulinux-gamers-cheers/> || Arcade-style Multiplayer Games | Turing Uncomplete <http://blog.barrucadu.co.uk/2008/10/arcade-style-multiplayer-games/> || Software Packages in Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex", Subsection Games ... <http://ubuntuland.nireblog.com/post/2008/11/08/software-packages-in-ubun
04:43 <teabot> armablah: Armagetron Advanced <http://www.find-freebies.org/armagetron-advanced/> || Armagetron <http://free.macgames.jp/4230/armagetron/> || Viewing Pleasure <http://the-desert-is-coming.blogspot.com/2008/12/viewing-pleasure.html> || Armagetron 0.2.6.0 and earlier and Armagetron A <http://vulnerabilities.aspcode.net/7989/Armagetron+0+2+6+0+and+earlier+and+Armagetron+A.aspx> || Open Source Software <http://mobile-trickz.blogspot.com/2008/11/open-sour
05:35 <epsy> guru3, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201720#201720
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06:28 <smoothice> luke-jr: Got a VPS and everything is working great for $10 a month
06:29 <smoothice> luke-jr: :D
06:30 <ivantis2> where you can have any amount of players, proving luke-jr's service is a rip off
06:32 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m3a0436d0.tmodns.net] has quit ["-a-"]
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06:37 <luke-jr> smoothice: pfft
06:37 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
06:38 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:38 <Lucifer> #ping
06:38 <@armabot> pong
06:38 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:38 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:39 <smoothice> luke-jr: lol
06:39 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:39 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:39 <Lucifer> grrr
06:39 <smoothice> #fetch whatismyip.org
06:39 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: 'whatismyip.org' is not a valid url.
06:39 <smoothice> lolz
06:39 <smoothice> #fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:39 <@armabot> smoothice: 83.243.117.49
06:39 <smoothice> yay
06:40 <Lucifer> #fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:40 <@armabot> Lucifer: 83.243.117.49
06:40 <smoothice> #alias add myip fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:40 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:40 <smoothice> #myip
06:40 <luke-jr> …
06:40 <Lucifer> you notice it gave us both the same number?
06:40 <@armabot> smoothice: 83.243.117.49
06:40 <smoothice> yay
06:40 <smoothice> it works
06:40 <Lucifer> #myip
06:40 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 4 requests received from your IP address in the last 60 seconds (current max is 3 but automated agents should not query more often than once every 10 minutes)
06:41 <Lucifer> oh yeah, that's giving us wrtl's IP address, haha
06:41 <smoothice> lol
06:41 <luke-jr> duh
06:41 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:41 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
06:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: My VPS is fast and awesome
06:42 <luke-jr> smoothice: ok
06:43 <smoothice> luke-jr: Sorry I didn't subscribe to your services
06:43 <smoothice> luke-jr: I was just able to get a lot more for $10
06:44 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:44 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
06:44 <luke-jr> smoothice: not true ☹
06:45 <smoothice> luke-jr: Last time I checked I don't have root access to lightfoot
06:45 <luke-jr> smoothice: so?
06:45 <smoothice> Root access is a lot more for just $10
06:46 <smoothice> #list
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
06:46 <smoothice> #list Alias
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: monologue, roulette, #lags, #noob, #ratchet, /me, 42, aawiki, action, add, afl, aka, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, arrow, as, babel, ball, bigbrother, bigos, bing, botsnack, bounce, brb, bug, bye, bzr, c, cafe, cat, cfg, cfg2, chainfight, chatlog, check, cheers, cinf, cink, commands, cookie, corn, crashme, crazylate, ctos, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, (5 more messages)
06:46 <luke-jr> smoothice: meh, you'll see
06:46 <smoothice> ?
06:46 <Lucifer> #/me likes candy
06:46  * armabot likes candy
06:46 <smoothice> #botsnack
06:46 <@armabot> /me licks smoothice
06:46 <smoothice> #cookie
06:46 <@armabot> smoothice: (cookie <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "send $1 a cookie".
06:47 <smoothice> cool
06:47 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
06:47 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
06:47 <smoothice> #more
06:47 <@armabot> smoothice: ddl, del, devhelp, dicht, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, disclaimer, dns, do, dofinger, dog, dong, donkey, doping, dorka, eds, eliza, emmy, epicfail, eroulette, f, fail, fastfood, fetch2, fight, finc, fink, flashyy, flerxytyme, fofo, fortune, freeciv, fuck!, g, gcalc, gfight, go, godtodd, going, goodbye, goodnight, grep, grep2, hd, hack, hell, hello, hey, hoop, hungary, hyphy, (4 more messages)
06:47 <Lucifer> #send smoothice a big fluffy teddy bear
06:47 <@armabot> I have sent a big fluffy teddy bear to smoothice, it should arrive shortly.
06:47 <smoothice> #send luke-jr better hosting services
06:47 <@armabot> I have sent better hosting services to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
06:48 <smoothice> luke-jr: I just brought up the idea.. armabot did it!
06:48 <smoothice> lol
06:50 <smoothice> Lucifer: why is armabot operator?
06:50 <Lucifer> #kick smoothice
06:50 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "Lucifer"]
06:50 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
06:50 <smoothice> ok
06:50 <smoothice> I get it
06:50 <Lucifer> does that answer your question?  ;)
06:50 <smoothice> yep
06:50 <smoothice> very well thanks
06:50 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:51 <luke-jr> I don't? :/
06:51 <smoothice> #whoami
06:51 <@armabot> smoothice: I don't recognize you.
06:51 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:51 <Lucifer> you have to identify with armabot too
06:51 <luke-jr> #whoami
06:51 <@armabot> luke-jr: Luke-Jr
06:51 <luke-jr> …
06:51 <smoothice> right...
06:51 <Lucifer> #admin capability add
06:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:51 <smoothice> moving right along :).....
06:51 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr kick
06:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:52 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:52 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:52 <smoothice> fail
06:52 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr #armagetron kick
06:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:52 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr op
06:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:52 <smoothice> This is bad...
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr op
06:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr channel op
06:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
06:53  * Lucifer doesn't get it
06:53 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:53 <smoothice> so #admin op Luke-Jr
06:53 <luke-jr> #admin capability add luke-jr #armagetron,op
06:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:54 <smoothice> Lucifer: do #admin op Luke-Jr
06:54 <Lucifer> #last --from wrtlprnft --nolimit
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: [13:16:30] <wrtlprnft> regular players will spend far less time writing private messages to the gm, [13:16:12] <wrtlprnft> communication between wolves is still sort of limited, [13:09:54] <wrtlprnft> exactly, [13:09:47] <wrtlprnft> if anyone else wants to take her?, [13:09:25] <wrtlprnft> but how do the wolves vote?, [13:08:53] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually that might be an idea, and (1 more message)
06:54 <Lucifer> #more
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: [10:00:37] <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy done… at least till the next supybot upgrade.
06:54 <Lucifer> damn, he did it before the last restart
06:54 <Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr op
06:54 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:54 <luke-jr> try #admin capability add luke-jr #armagetron,op
06:54 <smoothice> #later tell PinkTomato Got my VPS. Works great all because of you. Thanks so much!
06:54 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <Lucifer> #admin capability add Luke-Jr #armagetron,op
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:55 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "o hai thar"]
06:55 <Lucifer> aha!
06:55 <Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug #armagetron,op
06:55 <luke-jr> hm
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <luke-jr> why doesn't #kick do a real kick?
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias makeop "capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias add makeop "capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:55 <Lucifer> #makeop smoothice
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
06:55 <Lucifer> #alias add makeop "admin capability add $1 #armagetron,op"
06:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> #makeop smoothice
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <smoothice> #kick Luke-Jr
06:56 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:56 <smoothice> >.<
06:56 <Lucifer> #alias add removeop "admin capability remove $1 #armagetron,op"
06:56 <smoothice> lol
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> heh
06:56 <smoothice> I don't care
06:56 <Lucifer> #list cookie
06:56 <smoothice> lol
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'cookie' is not a valid plugin.
06:56 <Lucifer> #cookie
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: (cookie <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "send $1 a cookie".
06:56 <Lucifer> #removeop smoothice
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <Lucifer> #removeop luke-jr
06:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:57 <Lucifer> luke-jr: try it agian, I want to see if the removeop worked :)
06:57 <luke-jr> -.-
06:57 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:57 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
06:57 <Lucifer> #makeop luke-jr
06:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
06:57 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice o hai thar
06:57 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "o hai thar"]
06:57 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
06:57 <smoothice> I didn't know kicking _me_ would be fun
06:58 <smoothice> ivantis is onething
06:58 <smoothice> but
06:58 <smoothice> ME?
06:58 <luke-jr> oooooooo
06:58 <luke-jr> crap
06:58 <smoothice> ?
06:58 <luke-jr> ivantis is goen
06:58 <luke-jr> gotta wait
06:58 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:58 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:58 <Lucifer> and we had to test, and we appreciate you're allowing us to use you as a test dummy
06:59 <smoothice> [myip
06:59 <smoothice> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: 98.172.136.230
06:59 <smoothice> muahaha
06:59 <luke-jr> ]alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyipv6.org
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <luke-jr> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">\n<html>\n <head>\n  <title>Index of /</title>\n </head>\n <body>\n<h1>Index of /</h1>\n<pre>      <a href="?C=N;O=D">Name</a>                    <a href="?C=M;O=A">Last modified</a>      <a href="?C=S;O=A">Size</a>  <a href="?C=D;O=A">Description</a><hr><hr></pre>\n</body></html>\n'
06:59 <smoothice> ????
06:59 <luke-jr> wtf
06:59 <smoothice> ljrbot: myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">\n<html>\n <head>\n  <title>Index of /</title>\n </head>\n <body>\n<h1>Index of /</h1>\n<pre>      <a href="?C=N;O=D">Name</a>                    <a href="?C=M;O=A">Last modified</a>      <a href="?C=S;O=A">Size</a>  <a href="?C=D;O=A">Description</a><hr><hr></pre>\n</body></html>\n'
06:59 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <smoothice> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> smoothice: 98.172.136.230
06:59 <luke-jr> ]alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyipv6.net
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
06:59 <luke-jr> ]myip
06:59 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '\n<html>\n<head>\n<title>What is my IP address? </title>\n<meta name="Keywords" content="IP,IPv4,IPv6, address, address translation, find ip address, ip addres, what ip, ip find, ipaddress, network, ip tools, ifconfig, ipconfig, ipv6 ping, ipv6 traceroute, ipv6 nmap">\n<meta name="Description" content="Easily find your IPv6 or IPv4 address with WhatIsMyIPv6.net. Resolve your ip address, (5 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: traceroute to your ip address, ping and much more.">\n<meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache">\n</head>\n<body>\n<div align="center">\n<table width=100%>\n<tr>\n<td ALIGN="center">\n\n<script type="text/javascript"><!--\ngoogle_ad_client = "pub-6465231351658432";\ngoogle_alternate_color = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_ad_width = 728;\ngoogle_ad_height = 90;\ngoogle_ad_format = (4 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: "728x90_as";\ngoogle_ad_type = "text_image";\ngoogle_ad_channel ="6170350300";\ngoogle_page_url = document.location;\ngoogle_color_border = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_color_bg = "FFFFFF";\ngoogle_color_link = "000000";\ngoogle_color_url = "21507F";\ngoogle_color_text = "21507F";\n//--></script>\n<script type="text/javascript"\n (3 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">\n</script>\n\n\n\n<br />\n<br />\n\n<h1>Your IP is 98.172.136.230</h1></td></tr>\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center"><h3>Your host is wsip-98-172-136-230.om.om.cox.net</h3></td></tr>\n\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center">\n\n\n<br />\n<br />\nWhat Is My IPv6 .net. The fastest and easiest way\nto find out your IP (<b>IPv6</b> or <b>IPv4</b>) (2 more messages)
07:00 <luke-jr> ]more
07:00 <ljrbot> luke-jr: address.\n</td></tr>\n\n<tr><td ALIGN="center"><br />Tools: <a href="/">My IPv6/IPv4 address</a> - <a href="?s=IPv6_traceroute">Traceroute</a> - <a href="?s=IPv6_ping">Ping</a> - <a href="?s=browser_environment">Browser Environment Variables</a>\n\n<br /><br /><i>(As you are accessing this site through a IPv4 address, some advanced IPv6 features might not be available. <a (1 more message)
07:00 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
07:00 <luke-jr> stupid thing
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:00 <smoothice> IPv6 is for experienced people
07:00 <smoothice> I'm using IPv4
07:00 <smoothice> lol
07:00 <luke-jr> n00b
07:00 <smoothice> ljrbot: alias add myip web fetch http://whatismyip.org
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:00 <smoothice> ]myip
07:00 <ljrbot> smoothice: 98.172.136.230
07:00 <smoothice> then again, so is ljrbot
07:01 <smoothice> so ljrbot is inexperienced
07:01 <luke-jr> nope
07:01 <luke-jr> ljrbot is v6
07:01  * ljrbot agrees 100%
07:01 <smoothice> >.<
07:01 <luke-jr> [00:01:10] [Whois] ljrbot is n=supybot-@2002:46bb:1a76:0:2b0:d0ff:fe49:6b31 (Supybot 0.83.3)
07:01 <smoothice> ]myip
07:01 <ljrbot> smoothice: 98.172.136.230
07:01 <smoothice> see?
07:01 <luke-jr> smoothice: I see a broken web module
07:01 <Lucifer> broken concept, anyway
07:02 <smoothice> ]whois luke-jr
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "whois" is not a valid command.
07:02 <smoothice> ]web whois
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: The "Web" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "whois" in it.  Try "list Web" to see the commands in the "Web" plugin.
07:02 <Lucifer> smoothice: why do you want to know wrtlprnt's ip address, anyway?
07:02 <smoothice> ]list Web
07:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: No reason... just testing alias
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: don't worry... I'm not a DOSer
07:02 <smoothice> Lucifer: I am a conformist
07:02 <Lucifer> #netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:02:38 GMT
07:02 <smoothice> #netcraft http://luke.dashjr.org
07:03 <@armabot> smoothice: http://luke.dashjr.org was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:03:01 GMT
07:03 <Lucifer> oh good, google's found my website again, so now it's the first thing listed in search results for my name :)
07:04 <Lucifer> #google Dave Fancella
07:04 <@armabot> Lucifer: Search took 0.19 seconds: Bazaar branches related to Dave Fancella: <https://code.launchpad.net/~davefancella>; RPM shipped by Dave Fancella < dave @davefancella.com>: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Dave_Fancella__dave_davefancella.com_.html>; RPM shipped by Dave Fancella <davidfancella@davefancella.com>: (2 more messages)
07:04 <Lucifer> #more
07:04 <@armabot> Lucifer: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Dave_Fancella__davidfancella_davefancella.com_.html>; Dave Fancella - Meetup.com: <http://www.meetup.com/members/7995523/>; People at Savannah: Dave Fancella Profile [Savannah]: <http://savannah.nongnu.org/users/davidfancella>; Dave Fancella : ZoomInfo Business People Information: <http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Fancella_Dave_576301254.aspx>; Developer (1 more message)
07:04 <Lucifer> hmmm, why does that give me different results than my web browser?
07:05 <smoothice> #netcraft http://www.microsoft.com
07:05 <@armabot> smoothice: http://www.microsoft.com was running Microsoft-IIS on unknown when last queried at 30-Dec-2008 13:35:50 GMT
07:08 -!- GodTodd___ is now known as GodTodd
07:08 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0.2.8.2.1 Free Full Game for Windows ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37514.shtml>
07:08 <smoothice> I don't understand teabot
07:08 <smoothice> What does teabot do?
07:08 <luke-jr> spams us
07:08 <smoothice> teabot: #netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:09 <smoothice> teabot: netcraft http://www.davefancella.com/
07:09 <teabot> smoothice: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 3-Jan-2009 06:02:38 GMT
07:09 <smoothice> That's its whole point?
07:09 <smoothice> Is to spam?
07:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: can you ping dessert.ath.cx for me?
07:11 <smoothice> Lucifer: since you live in TX
07:11 <Lucifer> PING dessert.ath.cx (67.222.143.161) 56(84) bytes of data.
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com (67.222.143.161): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=34.2 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com (67.222.143.161): icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=34.1 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com (67.222.143.161): icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=206 ms
07:11 <Lucifer> 64 bytes from vaserv.com (67.222.143.161): icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=90.9 ms
07:12 <smoothice> Which one is real?
07:12 <Lucifer> ?
07:12 <smoothice> probably 34
07:12 <smoothice> 206 cannot be
07:12 <smoothice> usual
07:12 <Lucifer> sure it can
07:12 <Lucifer> I get unusual lag in arma :
07:12 <Lucifer> :)
07:12 <Lucifer> wireless connection, two torrents, of course my ping will fluctuate
07:13 <smoothice> *jawdrops*
07:13 <Lucifer> #weather 78729
07:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Anderson Mill / Parmer, Austin, Texas is 64.0°F (12:10 AM CST on January 03, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
07:13 <smoothice> #weather 000000
07:13 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
07:13 <smoothice> hha
07:13 <smoothice> fail
07:13 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
07:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in 78th Ave. & Seymour, Ralston, Nebraska is 34.2°F (12:09 AM CST on January 03, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002.6 hPa (Steady).
07:13 <smoothice> #weather 00000
07:13 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
07:13 <smoothice> fail
07:14 <luke-jr> yes, you fail
07:14 <GodTodd> they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results
07:14 <smoothice> GodTodd: 000000 ≠ 00000
07:14 <luke-jr> smoothice: wrong
07:14 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0.2.8.2.1 Free Full Game for Linux - Demo ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37516.shtml>
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07:14 <luke-jr> 000000 = 00000
07:14 <GodTodd> 0 <>0 ?
07:15 <smoothice> luke-jr: From a digit perspective
07:15 <smoothice> Lucifer: kick teabot?
07:15 <GodTodd> 0 = 0 as far as any math i've ever learned :)
07:15 <smoothice> GodTodd: from a digit perspective
07:16 <smoothice> #dns forums.armagetronad.net
07:16 <smoothice>  #dns armagetronad.net
07:16 <GodTodd> so....in math 00 is bigger or smaller than 0?
07:16 <@armabot> Host not found.
07:16 <GodTodd> has to be one or the other since they're different from a digit perspective. :)
07:16 <smoothice> GodTodd: I said "from a digit perspective"
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07:16 <GodTodd> so did i
07:18 <smoothice>  /shun GodTodd
07:19 <smoothice> #alias add shun say $1, you have been shunned.
07:19 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
07:19 <smoothice> #shun GodTodd
07:19 <@armabot> GodTodd, you have been shunned.
07:19 <GodTodd> oh, darn
07:20 <smoothice> #shun luke-jr
07:20 <@armabot> luke-jr, you have been shunned.
07:20 <luke-jr> #kick smoothice
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07:20 <smoothice> I knew this wouldn't be good
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: Do your servers run Ubuntu?
07:22 <teabot> armablah: Full Games: Armagetron v0.2.8.2.1 Free Full Game for Mac - Demo ... <http://www.gamershell.com/download_37518.shtml>
07:22 <luke-jr> smoothice: no
07:22 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is fail
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: L(
07:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: :(
07:22 <luke-jr> yes, Ubuntu is ☹ too
07:23 <smoothice> why is ubuntu fail?
07:23 <smoothice> I love Ubuntu
07:23 <luke-jr> it just is
07:23 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is dead leech weight
07:23 <smoothice> That's not a good reason
07:23 <luke-jr> Ubuntu just leeches off the Linux community
07:24 <luke-jr> nothing Ubuntu has that Debian does not
07:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: a nice company behind it
07:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: Canonical
07:25 <luke-jr> no, a leeching company
07:25 <luke-jr> Canonical doesn't contribute to the community
07:26 <smoothice> time to sleep :)
07:26 <smoothice> meh
07:26 <luke-jr> meh u
07:26 <smoothice> if Canonical leeches
07:26 <smoothice> then so does the owners of every other Debian-based distro
07:27 <luke-jr> not necessarily
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11:26 <Lucifer> heh, what are the chances I can talk them into a free bike for me?
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12:00 <PinkTomato> :'( btyacc, byacc, cl-yacc but no yacc :(
12:05 <PinkTomato> and the yacc you need is obviously the one without yacc in its name, bison :).
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12:17 <Lucifer> heh
12:17 <Lucifer> instead of asking for a free bike, I just asked them what kind of support they'd give me
12:18 <Lucifer> and a developer discount
12:19 <Lucifer> hm, my email bounced :(
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12:35 <Lucifer> where's Your_mom when you need him?  heh
12:35  * BabyBug slaps Lucifer 
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12:35  * Lucifer reminds himself that BabyBug is, in fact, below his minimum dating age, and suitably restrains himself
12:36 <BabyBug> psssht since when did age stop a bloke
12:36 <Lucifer> heh
12:36 <Lucifer> know anything about electronics?
12:36 <BabyBug> nooo
12:37 <Lucifer> I think hacking a mouse would be better, since I have a mouse port available on my machine
12:37 <BabyBug> Electricity is a flow of electrons! That's all i know
12:37 <Lucifer> heh
12:38 <Lucifer> I want to convert the mechanical switch of a mouse to an electrical switch triggered by a bicycle speed sensor
12:38 <BabyBug> O.o
12:38 <Lucifer> is it enough to just replace the mechanical switch with a transistor?
12:38 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201732#201732
12:38 <BabyBug> what's a transistor ^^
12:38 <Lucifer> er, it's kind of like an electrical switch
12:39 <Lucifer> I guess I'd need to know what sort of current is put out by the speed sensor
12:39 <Lucifer> aha, I'll ask in #electronics :)
12:40 <Lucifer> of course, after that, I'd still need an exercise bike, heh
12:44 <BabyBug> You so need a job
12:45 <Lucifer> hey, it's the weekend!
12:45 <BabyBug> yeh....you still need a job =P
12:46 <Lucifer> if that lady that wants me to work Jarrell actually sets me up with the job, then I'll probably just buy the pcgb mini
12:46 <Lucifer> but it would be cool to hack together a speed sensor contraption that works with a regular exercise bike
12:48 <BabyBug> wouldn't it be soooo much better to work on improving the game for everyone? :P
12:49 <Lucifer> I wonder if I'm well enough to work on 0.3.1 now
12:49 <BabyBug> ill is soooooooo not an excuse not to program
12:50 <Lucifer> I've been programming!
12:51 <Lucifer> what do you know, anyway?
12:51 <Lucifer> worked a bit on eugenics, and a bit on my accounting program
12:51 <Lucifer> will probably hit my accounting program again in the next few hours, I'd like to have a working register that can edit transactions pretty soon
12:52 <BabyBug> I know alot thank you very much!
12:52 <BabyBug> Now...program mister!
12:52 <BabyBug> (on arma)
12:53 <Lucifer> fine, I'm installing autopackage right now, so there!
12:54 <PinkTomato> It actually compiled...
12:54 <Lucifer> hmmm, anybody know if the ubuntu package stuff ever actually got put in the trunk?
12:54 <PinkTomato> if 0.2.8 had it, and now thats merged into trunk
12:54 <PinkTomato> won't that mean yes?
12:55 <Lucifer> no, because that stuff is in a separate module
12:55 <PinkTomato> oh, i see
12:55 <Lucifer> the only release you can build directly from a bazaar branch is a source release :)
12:56 <Lucifer> all other releases (binary packages) require the build module, which I think was renamed in the bzr switch
12:56 <Lucifer> and predictably, I haven't touched it since then
12:56 <Lucifer> (still waiting for autopackage to install)
12:56 <PinkTomato> hehe :)
12:57 <Lucifer> I suppose I should do a make distcheck before I do anything else
12:58 <BabyBug> Sooooo...What's stopping 0.3.1 being released right this second?
12:59 <Lucifer> being able to build packages for it
13:00 <Lucifer> i.e. windows installer, linux source, autopackage
13:00 <BabyBug> That's it...
13:00 <Lucifer> I seem to recall that's the bare minimum we all agreed on for a release off the trunk
13:00 <Lucifer> make distcheck ensures the source package can be released
13:00 <Lucifer> when I finish building and testing an autopackage, we'll have that
13:00 <Lucifer> then all that's left is being able to build the windows installer
13:01 <Lucifer> now, z-man, afaik, can build an autopackage for us, but we really need to stop depending on him for all release needs
13:01 <BabyBug> afaik??
13:01 <Lucifer> yeah, afaik
13:01 <BabyBug> >< what does it mean......
13:01 <Lucifer> trunk's moved around a bit, and he's stayed focused on 0.2.8
13:01 <Lucifer> "as far as I know"
13:01 <BabyBug> ah
13:02 <Lucifer> so, lemme get a build of libxml2 for the autopackage going, eh?
13:03 <BabyBug> Sure. You have 2 minutes!
13:03 <Lucifer> it'll take that long to download libxml2 sources!
13:03 <BabyBug> Fine! 4 minutes!
13:03 <Lucifer> it'll take at least 20 to build libxml2!
13:03 <BabyBug> 24 minutes then!
13:03 <Lucifer> 3.3 MB of compressed source code is scary
13:04 <Lucifer> but what else can youe xpect from GNOME?
13:05 <BabyBug> 3.2MB of compressed code maybe?
13:05 <PinkTomato> is GNOME not good?
13:05 <BabyBug> gnome rox yur sox!
13:05  * BabyBug is a gnome!
13:05 <PinkTomato> :) hehe
13:06 <Lucifer> GNOME is the biggest, bloatedest piece of crap on the internet, aside from WIndows itself
13:06 <PinkTomato> If you think GNOME is bloated
13:06 <BabyBug> It so isn't!
13:06 <PinkTomato> I would like to hear what you think KDE is
13:06 <Lucifer> slightly less bloated than GNOME
13:06 <Lucifer> :)
13:07 <PinkTomato> how ?
13:07 <Lucifer> ooo, gotta go build libxml2, can't join the flame war, sorry!
13:07 <PinkTomato> yeah, good idea :)
13:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that doesn't stop you talking!
13:07 <PinkTomato> You use XCFE then?
13:07 <BabyBug> (although yes get off the flame war)
13:07 <BabyBug> :D
13:07 <Lucifer> no, I use KDE
13:07 <PinkTomato> Ah right
13:08 <Lucifer> the real reason I don't like GNOME, besides their holier-than-though attitudes about use cases, is because GNOME uses GTK
13:08 <Lucifer> XFCE also uses GTK
13:08 <Lucifer> there's some guys in #qt that want to write a qt-based DE from scratch
13:09 <BabyBug> DE?
13:09 <BabyBug> Desktop Environment?
13:09 <Lucifer> yes
13:10 <BabyBug> What does KDE use?
13:10 <Lucifer> for some of us, the idea that a DE doesn't ahve to provide its own convoluted api is very seductive
13:10 <Lucifer> that someone could develop solely with qt and have perfect integration with the DE, for example, without having to resort to kdelib
13:10 <Lucifer> kde uses qt
13:11 <BabyBug> oh
13:11 <BabyBug> So what's qt then? :P
13:12 <BabyBug> i'm guessing it's not quicktime :o
13:12 <Lucifer> and, oh yeah, the DE itself would still be really fucking awesome, more awesomer than KDE4
13:12 <Lucifer> no, qt is a cross-platform GUI toolkit
13:12 <Lucifer> you can use PyQt4 if you like ;)
13:12 <BabyBug> ooo, i see
13:12 <BabyBug> So just an alternative to gtk?
13:12 <Lucifer> sure, except that qt predates gtk
13:12 <BabyBug> i get ya now
13:12 <Lucifer> and is much prettier and better-designed ;)
13:13 <Lucifer> gtk was written to provide a gui for the GIMP
13:13 <BabyBug> So you hate gnome because it doesn't use something that wasn't available at the time?
13:13 <Lucifer> no, there's more to it than that
13:13 <BabyBug> :P
13:13 <Lucifer> qt didn't used to be available under a GPL-compatible license
13:13 <Lucifer> so KDE was GPL, but it depended on a non-free library
13:13 <Lucifer> TrollTech, the company that makes qt, refused to release under a GPL-compatible license
13:14 <Lucifer> so two groups spawned
13:14 <wrtlprnft> (note that my hostname is not cloaked and armabot's isn't, either, so my ip is not really secret… or you could just resolve wrtlprnft.ath.cx)
13:14 <Lucifer> one took gtk from the GIMP and started working on GNOME, the other group took gtk and started wrapping it in a C++ library compatible with qt
13:14 <Lucifer> under significant pressure, TrollTech released qt under the GPL
13:15 <Lucifer> but by then, GNOME was already far enough along that the developers wanted to keep working on it, and thus the GNOME/KDE flame wars began
13:15 <Lucifer> anyway, until the last couple of years, the only reason to hate GNOME was gtk
13:15 <Lucifer> and gtk is a big reason to hate gnome, especially if you're already used to qt
13:15 <BabyBug> i seee...
13:15 <Lucifer> but in the last couple of years, the GNOME project has adopted a steadily increasing condescending attitude towards its users
13:16 <Lucifer> they're also MUCH more commercially oriented, and primarily American
13:16 <Lucifer> so you can see where the condescension comes from ;)
13:16 <BabyBug> heh
13:17 <Lucifer> gnome leaves a sour taste in my mouth, these days, but if I can't upgrade to KDE4, I'll start looking around
13:17 <Lucifer> I might join those guys in #qt ;)
13:18 <PinkTomato> yay, It compiled because I compiled the wrong folder!
13:19 <Lucifer> you built 0.2.8 instead?
13:19 <Lucifer> well, I'm a leave this running for a little while
13:19 <Lucifer> if it finishes, I'm probably going to ask folks here to test the packages for me ;)
13:19 <Lucifer> BabyBug: so be ready!
13:20 <BabyBug> Ready and waiting Lucifer!
13:20 <BabyBug> wrtlprnft, What was with the random comment earlier? lol
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13:29 <BabyBug> epsy!
13:29 <epsy> yes?
13:29 <BabyBug> Hiya =)
13:29 <epsy> hi
13:33 <z-man> Lucifer: all you need to do to build a good autopackage is to build libxml2 and libzthread with apgcc and set things up so that the arma build uses those. I'm using a customized .site file for auto* for that. Then, it's just a matter of "make autopackage" with the build module.
13:33 <Lucifer> heh, that's it?  ;)
13:33 <Lucifer> libxml2 won't install
13:33 <Lucifer> I suspect it's because apgcc isn't in root's path
13:34 <z-man> well, if you don't do special builds, you still can build an autopackage.
13:34 <z-man> It just won't be as backward compatible as it can possibly be.
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13:35 <Lucifer> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../src/swig/ext/armagetronad_wrap.cxx', needed by `distdir'.
13:35 <Lucifer> :)
13:35 <Lucifer> that's after "make autopackage"
13:35 <z-man> well, ok, then maybe the trunk source needs some work :)
13:36 <Lucifer> heh, rebuilding trunk real quick to see if it even works right now
13:36 <Lucifer> I just pulled, but it worked before I pulled
13:36 <epsy> why is (sn_)programVersion in network? :\
13:37 <Lucifer> hmmm, lots of broke-ass shit
13:37 <z-man> No special reason. It's the only place it was needed so far.
13:37 <Lucifer> what happened to the trunk?
13:37 <epsy> well, gotta move it to tools
13:37 <Lucifer> nvm, that was my problem ;)
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13:38 <Lucifer> I renamed the source dir, and configure didn't pick up the rename
13:39 <z-man> ah
13:39 <Lucifer> shouldn't be a problem for the build module, though
13:39 <Lucifer> I renamed it before running that :)
13:46 <Lucifer> what's supposed to be in tarballs/distmaker ?
13:48 <Lucifer> aha, it's make dist that's failing
13:59 <Lucifer> is zonesv2 built by default?
14:00 <epsy> yes
14:02 <Lucifer> #ubuntu
14:02 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
14:02 <Lucifer> I don't see ruby listed in there
14:02 <Lucifer> checking for ruby... ruby
14:02 <Lucifer> checking for library containing ruby_run... no
14:02 <Lucifer> configure: error: Ruby library not found.
14:03 <BabyBug> Why does arma need ruby? =\
14:03 <Lucifer> because ruby is sexy
14:03 <BabyBug> But why does it NEED it?
14:04 <Lucifer> wait a minute, I remember this error from something else
14:05 <Lucifer> grrrr
14:05 <Lucifer> says I have ruby
14:05 <BabyBug> wrong version or ruby? :P
14:05 <BabyBug> of*
14:07 <Lucifer> maybe
14:07 <Lucifer> there's a ruby-full package, I'll try that :)
14:08 <Lucifer> where's dlh when you need him?  heh
14:08 <Lucifer> BabyBug: see?  Can't even build a source package right now....
14:08 <BabyBug> It never picked up ruby1.9 for me, and i had to install ruby1.8
14:08 <Lucifer> that's what I'm installing right now, ruby1.8
14:09 <Lucifer> this is one of the times when I wish nemo was a python freak instead of a ruby freak
14:09 <Lucifer> oh yeah, and arma doesn't *need* ruby
14:09 <Lucifer> not yet, anyway
14:09 <Lucifer> but to build a source release, you have to have all the conditionally-built sources turned on
14:10 <Lucifer> ok, found ruby
14:11 <BabyBug> \o/
14:12 <Lucifer> #ubuntu
14:12 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
14:13 <Lucifer> ruby wasn't in 0.3.0 at all, was it?
14:13 <epsy> doubt it
14:14 <epsy> @8ball ruby wasn't in 0.3.0 at all, was it?
14:14 <teabot> epsy: Naturally.
14:14 <Lucifer> I'm starting to hate automake a lot, again
14:14 <Lucifer> it'll probably work if I run a regular build first, because that file gets built in a regular build
14:19 <BabyBug> it's been well over 24 minutes Lucifer
14:19 <Lucifer> I hit a snag
14:19 <Lucifer> as expected ;)
14:19 <BabyBug> well then you should of added that to the time!
14:20 <Lucifer> heh, I could just quit and let *you* build it
14:20 <BabyBug> fine!
14:21 <BabyBug> actually not fine...i can't install ftgl :P
14:21 <Lucifer> heh, you'll need to do that anyway....  eh?
14:22 <BabyBug> hrmm? what?
14:22 <Lucifer> z-man: have you tried to build ftgl with apgcc and statically link it?
14:23 <Lucifer> well, if we could link statically to ftgl in the autopackage, you wouldn't need to install ftgl
14:23 <BabyBug> true
14:23 <BabyBug> But, i'm confused why 0.3.0 works fine...
14:24 <Lucifer> hmmm, it uses ftgl too, right?
14:24 <BabyBug> i thought it does?
14:24 <BabyBug> Don't ask me though
14:24 <BabyBug> lol
14:24  * Lucifer doesn't remember, it may not
14:24 <Lucifer> er, yeah, I think it kinda has to
14:24 <BabyBug> how would one find out? :P
14:24 <Lucifer> configure and see if it checks for ftgl ;)
14:25 <Lucifer> this build is taking forever, I'll bbiab
14:26 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yup it need ftgl
14:27 <BabyBug> but it fails to find it :)
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14:48 <epsy> ...
14:52 <PinkTomato> teabot is slow?
14:53 <epsy> teabot is dumb
14:53 <epsy> AND SLOW
14:53 <PinkTomato> poor teabot :(
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15:53 <teabot> armablah: the next level « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/the-next-level/>
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16:04 <PinkTomato> #si worm game
16:04 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Solo Fortress & The Worm Game: Players (5/8): .dBd|Me, luke-jr, R£P>PinkTomato, TWG (test@dashjr.org), |Evil Chips
16:05 <Corn> How does that thing work
16:05 <PinkTomato> no idea, I can't get it working
16:05 <PinkTomato> the solo fort is good though
16:06 <Corn> TWG = Luke right?
16:06 <Corn> or a bot or something
16:06 <Corn> nevermind
16:07 <PinkTomato> luke-jr server
16:07 <PinkTomato> TWG is a bot that dosen't really need to be there
16:08 <Corn> @sd -v cafe\
16:08 <teabot> Corn: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe\\” at the moment, sorry.
16:08 <PinkTomato> .tea
16:08 <PinkTomato> #tea
16:08 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
16:08 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
16:08 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (0/32):
16:08 <Corn> tea is nice but it doesnt display all the info
16:08 <PinkTomato> true
16:08 <Corn> for example if i want to custom connect tea doesnt help
16:09 <PinkTomato> ah yeah
16:09 <Corn> @sd worm
16:09 <teabot> Corn: Solo Fortress & The Worm Game: Players (6/8): .dBd|Me, luke-jr, R£P>PinkTomato, TWG (test@dashjr.org), |Evil Chips, |x| $ubzero
16:09 <PinkTomato> all these IRC bot commands should be put on  the wiki I think
16:09 <PinkTomato> might come in handy
16:09 <BabyBug> @help
16:09 <teabot> BabyBug: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:09 <Corn> They should
16:09 <BabyBug> @list
16:09 <teabot> BabyBug: Alias, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Math, Misc, Nickometer, Poll, QGoogle, Quote, RSS, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Web
16:09 <BabyBug> no there
16:09 <PinkTomato> but you need to know the command for help?
16:10 <PinkTomato> @list alias
16:10 <teabot> PinkTomato: monologue, /me, 8ball, aawikis, action, add, aka, armaservers, as, bop, bzr, c, calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc, caps, cctld, cupofteaplease, date, drantin, g, google, kickban, lastseen, linkafl, linkbrawl, linkfff, linkformat, linkladle, linkom, linktst, lock, logs, lp, ls, lukejrwork, man, moar, nb, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, r, rape, remove, replace, rot1, sd, (1 more message)
16:10 <PinkTomato> oh i see
16:10 <Corn> why would you need to know " calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc"
16:10 <BabyBug> @calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc
16:10 <PinkTomato> he was online only for half a second last time
16:11 <teabot> BabyBug: The number of seconds Durka can stay online on irc = 30
16:11 <Corn> ls stands for list correct?
16:11 <PinkTomato> @rape
16:11 <teabot> PinkTomato: (rape <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo [action rapes $1] [kick $1] [success]".
16:12 <PinkTomato> @cupofteaplease
16:12 <teabot> Certainly, it would be a pleasure seeing as you asked so nicely.
16:12 <Corn> @rape PinkTomatoes for stealing his woman
16:12 <teabot> Corn: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:12 <Corn> i dont have the capability to rape someone?
16:14 <Corn> @8ball
16:14 <teabot> Corn: The answer is a resounding no.
16:14 <Corn> i guess 8ball doesnt think i can rape people either
16:15 <PinkTomato> #lukejrworks
16:15 <@armabot> ♪ are obsolete. ♫
16:15 <PinkTomato> huh?
16:15 <Corn> Does PinkTomato deserve to die?
16:15 <Corn> @8ball
16:16 <teabot> Corn: You're kidding, right?
16:16 <PinkTomato> aw :D
16:16 <Corn> How about now?
16:16 <Corn> @8ball
16:16 <teabot> Corn: _I_ don't know.
16:16 <Corn> Haha hes leaning my way
16:17 <PinkTomato> what if I gave Corn custard? would he change their mind?
16:17 <PinkTomato> @8ball
16:17 <teabot> PinkTomato: Unlikely.
16:17 <Corn> He speaks the truth
16:17 <PinkTomato> lol :)
16:17 <Corn> Will Lucifer come in here in a matter of seconds telling me to stfu?
16:17 <Corn> @8ball
16:18 <teabot> Corn: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
16:18 <PinkTomato> oo dear
16:18 <PinkTomato> They were doing some difficult autopackage thingy
16:18 <Corn> psychic powers my ass
16:18 <PinkTomato> not heard in a while
16:19 <Corn> Teabot are you a evil python minion?
16:19 <Corn> @8ball
16:19 <teabot> Corn: Come again?
16:19 <Corn> Does python suck?
16:19 <Corn> @8ball
16:19 <teabot> Corn: It is so.
16:19 <PinkTomato> oo be careful teabot
16:20 <Corn> How about bzr?
16:20 <Corn> @8ball
16:20 <teabot> Corn: NO!
16:20  * PinkTomato agrees with teabot :D
16:21 <Corn> teabot, do you love me?
16:21 <Corn> @8ball
16:21 <teabot> Corn: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:21 <teabot> Corn: The answer is a resounding no.
16:21 <Corn> Aww...
16:21 <PinkTomato> evil thing
16:21 <Corn> Teabot your suppose to lie about those sorts of things
16:21 <PinkTomato> #impregnate
16:21 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (impregnate <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo /me fertilizes $1".
16:22 <Corn> #impregnate teabot
16:22 <@armabot> /me fertilizes teabot
16:22 <Corn> haha now you have to love me
16:22 <Corn> ok thats pretty awkward
16:22 <Corn> 2 bots copulating
16:22 <PinkTomato> yeah..
16:23 <Corn> teabot, are you going to get an abortion
16:23 <Corn> @8ball
16:23 <teabot> Corn: The answer is certainly yes.
16:23 <PinkTomato> aww
16:25 <Corn> Teabot, does PinkTomato really love you in secret and you've been having affairs without anyone knowing?
16:25 <Corn> @8ball
16:25 <teabot> Corn: Come again?
16:25 <PinkTomato> lol :D
16:26 <Corn> It should say 'Cum again?'
16:26 <PinkTomato> xD
16:26 <PinkTomato> I think BabyBug is regretting telling us alias :D
16:27 <Corn> haha
16:27 <Corn> is that true teabot, the all seeing eye?
16:27 <Corn> @8ball
16:27 <teabot> Corn: What are you asking me for?
16:27 <Corn> lrn2read teabot
16:27 <PinkTomato> fine then teabot
16:27 <PinkTomato> #eightball
16:27 <@armabot> PinkTomato: No clue.
16:28 <PinkTomato> well that was a disappiontment
16:28 <Corn> Teabot do you feel undermined by PinkTomato and sad and angry that he would replace you with the very bot that impregnated you?
16:28 <teabot> Corn: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:28 <Corn> @8ball
16:28 <teabot> Corn: No clue.
16:29 <Corn> You guys are hopeless
16:29 <PinkTomato> yeah :(
16:29 <Lucifer> Corn: shut the fuck up
16:30 <Corn> Why did you not warn me of this teabot?
16:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: did autopackage work?
16:31 <Corn> Maybe you should ask teabot, supposibly he knows everything
16:31 <PinkTomato> hehe ;)
16:33 <Corn> @list alias
16:33 <teabot> Corn: monologue, /me, 8ball, aawikis, action, add, aka, armaservers, as, bop, bzr, c, calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc, caps, cctld, cupofteaplease, date, drantin, g, google, kickban, lastseen, linkafl, linkbrawl, linkfff, linkformat, linkladle, linkom, linktst, lock, logs, lp, ls, lukejrwork, man, moar, nb, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, r, rape, remove, replace, rot1, sd, (1 more message)
16:33 <Corn> @moar
16:33 <teabot> Corn: serverdetails, serverscores, si, ss, sty, tea, test, tourneys, tstservers, unlock, vectron, what, wtf, and x
16:33 <Corn> @wtf is wtf
16:33 <teabot> ivantis sucks!
16:34 <Corn> Tru dat
16:34 <BabyBug> Corn, commands work in PM so you don't have to spam the channel.
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16:46 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, there are problems in the trunk
16:46  * BabyBug cuddles Lucifer 
16:47 <PinkTomato> ah I see,  :)
16:47 <Lucifer> the problem is that make dist doesn't work, heh
16:47 <Lucifer> so I went and watched some star trek instead
16:48 <PinkTomato> :) sounds more fun
16:48 <hang3r> the trunk of armagetron has always been borked
16:48 <Lucifer> heh
16:48 <hang3r> if that's what you are talking about
16:48 <PinkTomato> its getting better
16:48 <Lucifer> hang3r: yes, but not code, it builds and runs just fine
16:48 <PinkTomato> it dosen't moan at ruby anymore
16:48 <BabyBug> it does not run just fine!!
16:49 <BabyBug> it segfaults on the browser list!
16:49 <Lucifer> no, wait, it doesn't build if you --enable-ruby
16:49 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I can't replicate that....
16:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer, upgrade ftgl then :P
16:49 <Lucifer> but then arma will segfault on the browser list, why would I want to do that?
16:49 <Lucifer> you said 0.3.0 doesn't segfault there, right?
16:49 <BabyBug> Right
16:50 <Lucifer> can you run the trunk through gdb and get a backtrace?  or did somebody already do that?
16:50 <Lucifer> you just do:
16:50 <BabyBug> epsy already did it
16:50 <Lucifer> gdb ./src/armagetronad_main
16:50 <BabyBug> It's on the bug report
16:50 <Lucifer> ah, ok
16:50 <Lucifer> oh, then I have an email with the bt in it
16:50 <BabyBug> he wrote a one liner explaining why it's happening aswell i think
16:50 <BabyBug> or rather, when it's happening
16:51 <Lucifer> why didn't he write a one-liner that fixes it?
16:51 <BabyBug> he's never done ftgl before
16:51 <BabyBug> (i think)
16:52 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
16:59 <BabyBug> the fact that it works fine in 0.3.0 and not trunk suggests it's not an FTGL bug though...right?
17:00 <PinkTomato> 0.3 != trunk?
17:01 <BabyBug> 0.3.0 was a snapshot of the trunk at somepoint...I think....
17:01 <BabyBug> And that worked fine...
17:01 <BabyBug> But now the trunk doesn't
17:01 <PinkTomato> oh that branch, I know what you are talking about
17:01 <BabyBug> which means it's something they've done!!
17:01 <PinkTomato> :D
17:01 <PinkTomato> they sswitched from std::string
17:01 <PinkTomato> to tstring
17:02 <PinkTomato> that sounds pretty crucial
17:13 <PinkTomato> #ubuntu
17:13 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
17:14 <smoothice> #ubuntu
17:14 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
17:17 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=30950#30950
17:18 <hang3r> I'm almost certain their are more build dependencies to build armagetron than that
17:19 <BabyBug> awwwwwww =(
17:19 <PinkTomato> hang3r: I believe there is, but they are dependencies of the dependy line
17:19 <PinkTomato> wait that made no sense, I mean, dependencies of dependencies
17:20 <PinkTomato> awww, no gluggsel :(
17:20 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, that makes perfect sense
17:20 <BabyBug> ftgl-dev depends on libftgl2 and libftgl-dev for example
17:20 <BabyBug> so it drags them in
17:21 <PinkTomato> But you said that much more clearer than me :)
17:21 <BabyBug> lol
17:21 <smoothice> So what's the scoop? What do I need to build armagetronad on Ubuntu?
17:21 <hang3r> that's allright, when you are seekin help and you join #help, you get redirected to #freenode, you then tell them your life has gone to shit, they tell you to join #defocus of which you have to wait for a voice before you can actually chat
17:21 <hang3r> woot
17:21 <hang3r> life is awesome
17:22 <PinkTomato> hmm, Im still wondering how I got banned from #ubuntu-uk
17:22 <BabyBug> O.o
17:22 <BabyBug> lol?
17:23 <PinkTomato> I have never been there
17:23 <PinkTomato> I installed xchat the other day, default room
17:23 <PinkTomato> bit odd seeing you are banned
17:23 <smoothice> will sudo apt-get install build-essential automake libboost-dev libxml2-dev  bison pkg-config autoconf autotools-dev bzr
17:23 <smoothice> work to compile amragetron on ubuntu?
17:23 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, someone else called sam using sky ISP maybe?
17:23 <BabyBug> * #ubuntu-uk Banlist: Fri Sep  5 10:17:04 *!*n=sam@*.bb.sky.com ballard.freenode.net
17:24 <PinkTomato> that was ages ago
17:24 <BabyBug> what was ages ago?
17:24 <PinkTomato> Sep 5
17:24 <BabyBug> That's when the ban was set
17:24 <PinkTomato> that's a long ban
17:24  * BabyBug shrugs
17:24 <PinkTomato> well damn them
17:24 <BabyBug> shall i try get you unbanned? :P
17:25 <PinkTomato> I think its OK, I can just use #ubuntu if i need it :)
17:27 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: i thought i'd tell you because else you'd probably never see it
17:27 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, edit your post and say "BabyBug sends you a kiss and a cuddle" plzzzz =P
17:28 <BabyBug> and newp i wouldn't of, ty xx
17:28 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: done
17:28 <BabyBug> thank yooh :D
17:29 <epsy> his post?
17:30 <BabyBug> yes epsy, his post :P
17:35 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok
17:35 <PinkTomato> smoothice: cd in and ./bootstrap.sh
17:35 <smoothice> k
17:36 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok Done!  You may now run configure and start building.
17:36 <smoothice> now
17:36 <smoothice> for the prefix
17:36 <PinkTomato> are you compiling with armathentication?
17:36 <smoothice> Can I have all this
17:36 <smoothice> nope
17:36 <smoothice> but
17:37 <smoothice> Can this all be self-contained in a folder
17:37 <PinkTomato> yeap
17:37 <PinkTomato> its probably the best way to do it on a server
17:37 <smoothice> ok
17:37 <PinkTomato> ./configure --prefix=/etc/arma --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:38 <PinkTomato> that's my configure line
17:38 <smoothice> will it create the folder in the prefix
17:38 <smoothice> If it isn't already created?
17:38 <PinkTomato> it'll do all that for you when you make install
17:38 <epsy> you install arma in /etc ??
17:39 <PinkTomato> epsy: what's better?
17:39 <BabyBug> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=30950#30950 <--- That post epsy
17:39 <epsy>  /usr/local ? /opt ?
17:39 <PinkTomato> epsy: someone might what to change the wiki if thats not a logical place then
17:39 <BabyBug> /home/$USER/ ftw!
17:40 <smoothice> how about /root/armagetronservers/sty
17:40 <epsy> does a wiki article say this?
17:40 <epsy> you don't want arma to be run as root..do you?
17:40 <BabyBug> smoothice, you should really run the servers as root...
17:40 <BabyBug> shouldn't*
17:40 <PinkTomato> um...
17:40 <smoothice> so....
17:40 <PinkTomato> thats on my TODO
17:40 <smoothice> lol
17:40 <smoothice> Is Racing II run as root?
17:40 <epsy> @aawikis /etc/arma
17:40 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Running_Multiple_Servers_on_a_single_Linux_computer - Running Multiple Servers on a single Linux computer - Armagetron ...
17:41 <PinkTomato> thats the page epsy
17:41 <PinkTomato> the actual scripts don't work well though
17:41 <epsy> what the FUCK??
17:41 <smoothice> :O
17:41 <PinkTomato> OK, epsy dosen't sound impressed
17:41 <smoothice> Glad I didn't run that...
17:42 <PinkTomato> hence why I said come here :)
17:42 <smoothice> olol
17:42 <smoothice> I'll work on apache vhosts while you guys have a fit
17:42 <PinkTomato> hehe :D
17:42 <smoothice> be back soon after the f**k**g is done!
17:42 <teabot> armacommits: [old-glancing] r745 Merge with trunk...
17:43 <smoothice> PinkTomato: is Racing II run as root?
17:43 <epsy>  .. /etc/arma/bin/ .. lol
17:44 <smoothice> lol
17:44 <smoothice> whatever
17:44 <BabyBug> smoothice, if someone actually managed to hack the arma server...They could have root access to your server if you ran arma as root...
17:44 <smoothice> ok
17:44 <smoothice> That would... sink
17:44 <smoothice> stink
17:44 <PinkTomato> epsy: the bash script, shouldn't that be start <<servername>> <<start|stop>>
17:45 <BabyBug> yes smoothice that would stink :P
17:45 <epsy> first off, all this shouldn't be in /etc
17:45 <BabyBug> /home/$USER/arma/ \o/
17:45 <smoothice> Should I make a new user for arma
17:45 <smoothice> adduser <username>
17:45 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: I have several users, all using the same arma :)
17:45 <PinkTomato> smoothice: I guess so :)
17:46 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok
17:47 <epsy> right that's fixt
17:47 <epsy> brb
17:47 <BabyBug> you missed a bit epsy :P
17:47 <PinkTomato> epsy missed a few bits
17:48 <PinkTomato> no wait, just one bit
17:48 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok made new user
17:48 <smoothice> for arma
17:48 <epsy> ..like..WHAT bit?
17:49 <PinkTomato> you'ld still need to compile as root me thinks
17:49 <BabyBug> epsy, Ctrl+F /etc/arma
17:49 <PinkTomato>  I have choose to install it in /etc/arma
17:49 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, compile as a normal user. make install as root
17:49 <epsy> unless you install in your own directory
17:50 <BabyBug> or that
17:50 <PinkTomato> ok, then smoothice you'll need to mv sty /home/armagetron/sty
17:51 <smoothice> ok
17:51 <PinkTomato> and then chown armagetron:armagetron sty ?
17:51 <smoothice> I'll just rebranch
17:51 <PinkTomato> or do that :)
17:52 <PinkTomato> I can still su <<user>> though? that's not bad practice is it?
17:52 <smoothice> yeah
17:52 <smoothice> su works
17:55 <PinkTomato> >> Port can be from 4534 to 4540... that's not correct is it ?
17:55 <BabyBug> port can be anything that's not taken
17:55 <smoothice> ./configure --prefix=/home/armagetron/armagetronservers/sty --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:55 <PinkTomato> that's what i thought
17:56 <smoothice> Correct?
17:56 <BabyBug> 4534 to 4540 are the ports that get scanned for the LAN browser
17:56 <BabyBug> so for LAN games it's advisable to use those ports :P
17:56 <PinkTomato> ah I see :)
17:56 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ./configure --prefix=/etc/arma --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=32
17:56 <smoothice> oops
17:56 <PinkTomato> smoothice: that sounds correct to me
17:56 <smoothice> ok
17:56 <smoothice> epsy?
17:57 <PinkTomato>  --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-initscripts << I don't think you need these
17:57 <smoothice> wait
17:57 <PinkTomato> I don't know what they do, except --disable-initscripts
17:57 <smoothice> you have enable-armathenication?
17:57 <smoothice> you use armathenication?
17:57 <PinkTomato> Yeah, its the future of arma
17:58 <smoothice> ok
17:58 <smoothice> whatever lol
17:58 <PinkTomato> makes everything more safe
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17:58 <PinkTomato> and easier to manage
17:58 <PinkTomato> if you want userlevels, go for it
17:58 <PinkTomato> you probably get yelled at if you don't compile with it ;)
17:58  * BabyBug pokes Lucifer... When will armathentication be enabled by default?
17:59  * epsy is pretty much in favor of just dropping non-authentication builds
17:59 <epsy> sooner or later
18:00 <BabyBug> there must be something wrong with it at the moment though? for it not to be enabled?
18:00 <PinkTomato> lan games work better without auth
18:00 <epsy> but well, for now i'd say it should be enabled wthout auth
18:00 <epsy> PinkTomato, as long as server is configured properly
18:01 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I don't really know what it's waiting for at this point
18:01 <Lucifer> I've been out of the loop, heh
18:01 <BabyBug> oh
18:01 <PinkTomato> I think an add_admin <<user>> <<password>> would solve my lan game concern though
18:02 <epsy> it's more or less complete, except that you can't clear eUserConfigs
18:02 <PinkTomato> oh and that please :)
18:02 <epsy> PinkTomato, local_user user pass
18:02 <PinkTomato> ah that's two commands
18:02 <PinkTomato> then you need to user_level
18:02 <epsy> PinkTomato, user_level user level
18:02 <epsy> that's two different actions
18:03 <BabyBug> eUserConfigs?
18:03 <PinkTomato> people in lan games want one action
18:03 <Lucifer> ok, pushing it to the trunk
18:03 <BabyBug> pushing what to trunk?
18:03 <smoothice> PinkTomato: done configuring
18:03 <Lucifer> armathentication enabled by default
18:03 <smoothice> "make" and "make install" ?
18:03 <BabyBug> O.o
18:03 <BabyBug> \o/
18:03 <Lucifer> I don't know any reason it shouldn't be enabled by default there
18:03 <PinkTomato> make && make install
18:03 <epsy> BabyBug, these includes ACCESS_LEVEL, RESERVE_SCREEN_NAME and AUTHORITY_LEVEL
18:03 <BabyBug> woooo go Lucifer!
18:03 <BabyBug> epsy, ahhhh :)
18:04 <PinkTomato> smoothice: go grab a coffee or tea, your choice, it'll be a while
18:04 <smoothice> oops
18:04 <smoothice> I did make && make instal
18:04 <smoothice> lol
18:04 <Lucifer> now I'll go post about my problems trying to build test packages
18:04 <smoothice> It'll break at make instal
18:04 <PinkTomato> just type it when its done :)
18:04 <smoothice> ok
18:05 <epsy> *if* my setting structure change gets in, there shouldn't be any problem about this anymore, since it would be handled on a lower level(where it belongs IMO)
18:05 <PinkTomato> RESERVE_SCREEN_NAME < that action works?
18:05 <epsy> yes
18:05 <epsy> beware of typos
18:05 <epsy> i always stuff a R after reserve
18:05 <PinkTomato> I assume that reserves screen name for logged in user
18:05 <epsy> exactly
18:05 <BabyBug> lol epsy
18:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: make finished... make installfinishes
18:06 <smoothice> finished
18:06 <PinkTomato> cd into the bin directory
18:07 <PinkTomato> ./armagetron-dedicated
18:07 <smoothice> armagetronad-dedicated  armagetronad-dedicated-uninstall
18:07 <smoothice> w00t
18:07 <epsy> ct|kyle, the style of quote blocks changed, didn't it?
18:07 <smoothice> yes!
18:07 <smoothice> it works!
18:07 <PinkTomato> and I'll try connecting to atlanta047.ath.cx
18:07 <smoothice> ok
18:11 <epsy> how is that under competitions? http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18930
18:12 <epsy> Lucifer, um, can you move that?
18:12 <Lucifer> no, sorry
18:12 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
18:12 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (0/32):
18:12 <epsy> Corn, I'm up for half an hour
18:12 -!- hang3r [n=nathan@ppp59-167-115-251.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
18:12 <Corn> nah i cant really play on it i have 1200 ping wherever i go
18:12 <smoothice> PinkTomato: w00t
18:12 <Corn> just wanted to spec
18:13 <epsy> damn you..giving me false hopes Oo
18:13 <Corn> satelite connection :P
18:13 <epsy> haha
18:13 <Corn> im in pink's server with 1137 ping
18:13 <epsy> how that?
18:14 <Corn> @ls corn
18:14 <teabot> Corn: %|% Corn seems to be on {PinkTomato}  Fortress Server right now.
18:14 <Lucifer> oh, my push failed, oops
18:15 <epsy> darn me assigning stuff to \n
18:15 <Corn> i was playing fort last night and judders asked me how i was even playing :o
18:15 <smoothice> @ls SmOoThice~NW
18:15 <teabot> smoothice: SmOoThice~NW seems to be on internalDrive -=- iD Tech Racing! right now.
18:15 <BabyBug> Do the forums have an rss feed?
18:15 <epsy> nope
18:15 <BabyBug> someone add an rss feed to the forums
18:15 <BabyBug> and then epsy add it too teabot
18:15 <Lucifer> ooo, I'll bet it's a zthread issue
18:16 <epsy> well, phpbb can't do that
18:16 <PinkTomato> >< forum flood
18:16 <BabyBug> Just new topics!
18:16 <BabyBug> Not new posts
18:16 <PinkTomato> curl it
18:16 <PinkTomato> every half hour
18:16 <PinkTomato> somehow
18:16 <epsy> and if we'd change forum software it would be for milestone 0.4, with the rest of the website
18:16 <smoothice> cron
18:16 <smoothice> cron job!
18:17 <BabyBug> it's not changing forum software..it's adding on!
18:17 <BabyBug> :P
18:17 <epsy> I've touched to phpbb code and I don't want to ever do that again
18:17 <Corn> i heard its a bitch to hack
18:17 <epsy> totally
18:17 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has joined #armagetron
18:17 <BabyBug> There's bound to be an RSS addon done already ><
18:17 <smoothice> luke-jr: can you use svnserve with multiple SVN repos?
18:18 <epsy> it's pretty much the same with almost every forum software out there
18:18 <epsy> and no, pre-made addons aren't better, it's adding code you dont know about to code you dont know about
18:18 <epsy> if I had to choose another forum software to switch to, it'd be bbpress, really
18:19 <smoothice> bbpress?
18:19 <epsy> there you can be happy
18:19 <smoothice> IPB rulesz
18:19 <epsy> IPB is not free
18:19 <epsy> doeqs not support plugins
18:19 <smoothice> so?
18:19 <epsy> do we want to promote unfree software? no
18:19 <epsy> especially when we can promote fresh free software that does 100× better
18:19 <smoothice> phpbb!
18:20 <epsy> phpbb SUCKS
18:20 <BabyBug> agreed
18:20 <smoothice> :(
18:20 <BabyBug> punbb \o/
18:20 <epsy> same
18:20 <BabyBug> liar
18:20 <smoothice> Powered by a camel and phpBB © 2001-2004 phpBB Group
18:20 <PinkTomato> its more that there is no other choice
18:20 <Lucifer> phpbb was written by all the asshats that post incompetent hacks in the php docs
18:20 <smoothice> punbb then?
18:20 <epsy> it looks lighter, but even the webpages are wrongly done
18:20 <PinkTomato> does the open source community like anyone?
18:20 <epsy> punbb ftl..
18:20 <smoothice> What's the best forum software then?
18:21 <smoothice> free
18:21 <BabyBug> Python Forum FTW!
18:21 <epsy> bbpress can do about as much as phpbb, just ... done correctly??
18:21 <Corn> I want to impregnate python
18:21 <epsy> #impregnate python
18:21 <@armabot> /me fertilizes python
18:21 <smoothice> #shun epsy
18:21 <PinkTomato> armabot has been busy..
18:21 <@armabot> epsy, you have been shunned.
18:22 <Corn> clearly armabot refuses
18:22 <PinkTomato> problem is, all these forum clones, they all have loyal small followings
18:22 <BabyBug> agreed!
18:22 <smoothice> forums.armagetronad.net
18:22 <smoothice> Apache/2.0.61 (Unix) PHP/4.4.7 mod_ssl/2.0.61 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 Phusion_Passenger/2.0.3 DAV/2
18:23 <smoothice> Phusion_Passenger?
18:23 <akira_arma> http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/googles-ai-quest-to-become-god-on-earth/
18:23 <epsy> loyal small followings ?
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18:23 <epsy> bbpress is not a clone of anything
18:23 <PinkTomato> its a clone of the first person that thought up the idea of a forum
18:24 <PinkTomato> but not directly a clone in the programming sense
18:24 <epsy> oh dear..
18:24 <PinkTomato> ;)
18:24 <epsy> can we fast forward to
18:24 <epsy> OMG NOKIA COPIED IPHONE WHO COPIED LG PRADA OMG SHIT NOKIA
18:24 <BabyBug> Can we just fast forward to
18:24 <epsy> oh no! HTC was there before!
18:24 <BabyBug> Agree to disagree?
18:25 <PinkTomato> epsy: I only used the wrong word, and then attempted to justify it
18:25 <Lucifer> er, are zones v2 still not built by default?
18:25 <epsy> they are..
18:25 <epsy> PinkTomato, forum..software?
18:25 <Lucifer> ah, they are
18:26 <Lucifer> is there any real reason to keep the option to not build zones v2?
18:26 <PinkTomato> that was the word i was after :)
18:26 <epsy> probably to only build zones v1
18:26 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I thought zones 2 was incompatiable with zone1?
18:26 <epsy> well, it's both on
18:26 <epsy> depends on version specified by maps
18:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: makes sense
18:26 <Lucifer> yeah, the incompatibility that prevented us from releasing some time ago was that a trunk client couldn't play on a 0.2.8 server
18:27 <Lucifer> but that's fixed now
18:27 <epsy> PinkTomato, no, really, bbpress is a forum software of choice
18:27 <PinkTomato> it was an old forum post admittably ;)
18:27 <epsy> huh?
18:27 <epsy> BabyBug, also, new topics doesnt make much sense to me
18:28 <BabyBug> epsy, Why?
18:28 <epsy> because it's generally the replies to the topic which matters, not the topic itself?
18:29 <epsy> the other way around is rather blog-ish
18:29 <Lucifer> I just want threaded forum software
18:29 <epsy> oh dear no..threaded discussions are a pain to read
18:29 <BabyBug> well from the point of view from a person who doesn't read the forums, but occasionally sees interesting topics linked here...
18:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: Threaded?
18:29 <Lucifer> where, in a particular topic, replies are threaded too, rather than having a long list of replies
18:29 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: like how slashdot does it
18:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I have seen that done
18:29 <epsy> maybe with only 1 level of threading, but it stops here
18:30 <epsy> Lucifer, I wouldn't like to have that on each topic
18:30 <Lucifer> no!  you need at least 3 to be able to track them
18:30 <Lucifer> that's because you're weird :)
18:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: like that: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Board=btsupplier&Number=3530867&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=0&fpart= ?
18:30 <Lucifer> I setup my email client to thread every folder except my inbox :)
18:30 <epsy> it takes hours to read them
18:30 <Lucifer> no, it means you don't have to spend hours to read shit you don't want to read
18:30 <epsy> same here, inbox included
18:30  * BabyBug disagrees with Lucifer
18:31 <PinkTomato> good forum software lets you choose I guess
18:31 <epsy> yep, I don't want to read threaded comments
18:31 <epsy> bbpress lets you choose
18:31 <Lucifer> well that's terrible threading
18:31 <epsy> and I'd rather turn it off anyway
18:31 <Lucifer> that's threading done WRONG
18:31 <PinkTomato> oh yeah
18:31 <PinkTomato> for threading to work
18:31 <PinkTomato> you need to not have a choice
18:32 <PinkTomato> unless you run some a small patch to catch quotes
18:32 <PinkTomato> smoothice: on an armagetron-related note, how is the compile going?
18:32 <Lucifer> http://drupal.org/node/353741  <--- threading done RIGHT
18:33 <smoothice> PinkTomato: It worked, remember lol?
18:33 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/Lucifer1.png
18:33 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Oh yeah! hehe :D
18:33 <epsy> because one picture is worht a thousand words..
18:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that works...
18:33 <Lucifer> epsy: I clicked over to the link already provided, but thanks :)
18:33 <Lucifer> I said "like slashdot"
18:33 <PinkTomato> the problem is people don't think like threads
18:33 <Lucifer> I shoudl ahve said "like slashdot if you browse at -1"
18:34 <epsy> if it repeated the merssage's parent each time it is not visible I'm fine
18:34 <Lucifer> wel, with threading, you don't have to quote the parent anymore, it's obvious what you're replying to
18:34 <PinkTomato> surely though, you would always be replying to a topic related in the parent, so you shouldn't need threading
18:35 <Lucifer> a lot of threads try to break down into several related conversations
18:35 <PinkTomato> new tagents should be new thread
18:35 <epsy> Lucifer, yes, but the parent is too far away, still
18:35 <Lucifer> look at any release thread on the arma forums
18:35 <Lucifer> not tangents, different related conversations to the topic
18:35 <Lucifer> we try to get all posts on a particular topic confined to a thread, like in release threads
18:35 <PinkTomato> I see, new arma relase dosen't compile
18:35 <epsy> by the way, I have a test forum here: http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/bbpress/
18:35 <Lucifer> we do it for a reason
18:35 <PinkTomato> and you want to reply just to that
18:36 <PinkTomato> making that into a thread would make sense
18:36 <epsy> well, one level threading just does that fine
18:36 <Lucifer> right, but there could easily be 20 different topics under the release work thread
18:36 <smoothice> PinkTomato: be right back
18:36 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
18:36 <Lucifer> no, it doesn't
18:36 <BabyBug> epsy, How is there 1 post in AAAAA but 0 topics?
18:36 <Lucifer> a lot of converstaions in the original 0.3.1 thread were largely lost, and it was a real pain to reread the thread to get my bearings on 0.3.1
18:36 <epsy> because I did something wrong :P
18:36 <Lucifer> wtf is AAAAA?
18:37 <Lucifer> oh, epsy's forum test ;)
18:37 <epsy> 5 times the first letter of the alphabet
18:37 <PinkTomato> doesn't phpbb suffer that as well?
18:37 <PinkTomato> post dosen't go down when post deleted?
18:38 <epsy> well, that's an alpha, I hope they fixed it anyway
18:39 <epsy> BabyBug, that's fixt
18:40 <Lucifer> ah, epsy's having verb conjugation problems again, poor guy
18:40 <Lucifer> don't they make a pill for that?
18:40 <epsy> Lucifer, by the way, you can even have support threads
18:41 <epsy> I herd cyannure culd worke
18:41 <Lucifer> I'm just curious, maybe I missed the beginning of this conversation (ok, I did miss it)
18:41 <Lucifer> but are you trying to sell us on moving the arma forums to something else?
18:41 <epsy> BabyBug started it with her RSS feed :D
18:42 <epsy> but if I had to choose, bbpress would be my choice (now if you trust me or not because of this, that's something else)
18:42 <BabyBug> aye...I was saying the forums needed an rss feed Lucifer =P
18:43 <BabyBug> and then epsy started sounding like he was hired by bbpress
18:43 <Lucifer> no, he wasn't, he's just french, they all sound like that
18:43 <BabyBug> ahhh yeh
18:43 <BabyBug> keep forgetting that
18:43 <Lucifer> if it were my choice, it'd be drupal
18:43 <PinkTomato> would IRC threading work?
18:43 <BabyBug> How would one implement that exactly? lol
18:43 <Lucifer> no
18:44 <Lucifer> no way to track exactly what someone's responding to
18:44 <Lucifer> it works on forums because you click a "reply" link on a particular post
18:44 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: It would have to be a new protocol, which is not good
18:44 <BabyBug> unless every single thing gets given a random ID number...and you type /reply number message!
18:44  * Lucifer waits for luke-jr to tell us xmpp can do it
18:44 <PinkTomato> I was thinking one window views all like IRC
18:44 <PinkTomato> but no input
18:45 <PinkTomato> and then you can /join a window with an ID
18:45 <epsy> well, you join a channel
18:45 <epsy> one changes topic
18:45 <epsy> the channel splits in two
18:45 <epsy> etc etc
18:45 <Lucifer> the topic never changes here
18:45 <PinkTomato> but that wouldn't work for ubuntu for example
18:45 <BabyBug> arguably IRC does have threading... #armagetron and #armagetron.tourneys
18:45 <BabyBug> Threading!!
18:45 <epsy> the *converstation* topic
18:45 <epsy> BabyBug, that's merging, actually
18:45 <BabyBug> that's threading!
18:45 <PinkTomato> theres no global view that way though
18:45 <Lucifer> #armagetron.tourneys was a merge
18:46 <BabyBug> it's a thread!
18:46 <BabyBug> how is it a merge?
18:46 <epsy> #afl, #arma.fff, #arma-ladle -> #armagetron.tourneys = merge
18:46 <Lucifer> you need some way to note what you're saying to a particular topic
18:46 <epsy> that's what channels are for
18:46 <Lucifer> epsy had the bright idea of mergin all those channels when he noticed all the same players played all the different tourneys anyway
18:47 <epsy> haha
18:47 <PinkTomato> there was more than one .tourney?
18:47 <Lucifer> now, why the fuck is this particular file still getting into the makefile?  :(
18:47 <epsy> PinkTomato, [17:46] <epsy>: #afl, #arma.fff, #arma-ladle -> #armagetron.tourneys = merge
18:48 <PinkTomato> Oh I understand now, good idea :D
18:48 <Lucifer> apparently I don't remember what make diist is suppposed to do
18:48  * BabyBug helps Lucifer along a little
18:49 <epsy> that's a good start
18:49 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
18:49 <Lucifer> well, it's hard to troubleshoot something when you don't actually know what the something is doing
18:49 <epsy> hello smooth~1
18:49 <smoothice> hi epsy~1
18:49 <Lucifer> anyway, I hacked the makefile to remove the file that was breaking it to see if  that was the only problem, and now it's building the fucking game!
18:49 <epsy> erm no, it's not epsy~1
18:49 <PinkTomato> what's with 8.3 names?
18:49 <Lucifer> I guess I should go fart around for awhile
18:50 <epsy> very good idea
18:50 <BabyBug> bad idea!
18:50 <epsy> unless teabot thinks otherwise
18:50 <epsy> @8ball is that a good idea
18:50 <teabot> epsy: No chance.
18:50 <smoothice> #alias add fart say I farted.
18:50 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:50 <epsy> ah, well
18:50 <smoothice> #fart
18:50 <@armabot> I farted.
18:50 <epsy> LOLOL!
18:50 <smoothice> #alias add farton say I farted on $1.
18:50 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:50 <smoothice> #farton epsy
18:50 <@armabot> I farted on epsy.
18:50 <epsy> LOLOLOL!
18:50 <epsy> it's all lies
18:50 <Lucifer> #alias add fart "me farts on $1"
18:50 <smoothice> lol
18:50 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <epsy> girls dont fart
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart smoothice
18:51 <epsy> i think it's /me
18:51 <Lucifer> duh
18:51 <epsy> witht the /
18:51 <Lucifer> #alias add fart echo "me farts on $1"
18:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart epsy
18:51 <@armabot> me farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> er
18:51 <smoothice> lol
18:51 <epsy> #alias add fart "/me farts on $1"
18:51 <Lucifer> #me farts on epsy
18:51 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <epsy> #me
18:51 <Lucifer> what happened to the me alias?
18:51 <epsy> #/me
18:51  * armabot 
18:51 <smoothice> #alias add die say I died.
18:51 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <smoothice> #die
18:51 <BabyBug> #action farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> ah
18:51  * armabot farts on epsy
18:51 <Lucifer> #fart epsy
18:51  * armabot farts on epsy
18:52 <Lucifer> #fart BabyBug
18:52 <PinkTomato> #fart me
18:52  * armabot farts on BabyBug
18:52  * armabot farts on me
18:52 <smoothice> #die
18:52 <epsy> teabot, go open the window please
18:52 <Lucifer> you know what, this is just a really bad fart joke
18:52 <BabyBug> that's the last time i help you Lucifer!!
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias remove fart
18:52 <PinkTomato> @thank
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <epsy> LOL
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: There is no such alias.
18:52 <smoothice> #myip
18:52 <@armabot> smoothice: 83.243.117.49
18:52 <smoothice> muahaha
18:52 <BabyBug> #lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:52 <epsy> #alias add fart ignore
18:52 <BabyBug> arf
18:52 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias add fart echo Please don't tell stupid fart jokes.
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <epsy> Lucifer, now you can lock
18:52 <Lucifer> #alias lock fart
18:52 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <smoothice> #fart
18:52 <@armabot> Please don't tell stupid fart jokes.
18:52 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <smoothice> #alias remove fart
18:53 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: That alias is locked.
18:53 <smoothice> awww
18:53 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <smoothice> #farton epsy
18:53 <@armabot> I farted on epsy.
18:53 <smoothice> muahahah
18:53 <Lucifer> #alias add farton ignore
18:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:53 <smoothice> lol
18:53 <Lucifer> #alias lock farton
18:53 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <BabyBug> #alias lock fart*
18:53 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <epsy> #ignore
18:53 <BabyBug> would that work?
18:53 <epsy> nope
18:54 <BabyBug> armabot fails then
18:54 <epsy> code your own bot BabyBug
18:54 <Lucifer> what do you expect from a bot written in python?
18:54 <BabyBug> fine!
18:54 <epsy> I'll be happy to use it (or not)
18:54 <smoothice> Lucifer: farts
18:54 <BabyBug> I'll code a great one in python!
18:54 <epsy> :)
18:54 <Lucifer> #kick smoothice smart ass
18:54 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "smart ass"]
18:54 <BabyBug> (how complicated is the irc protocol?)
18:54 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-111-232.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
18:54 <smoothice> Do you mind?
18:54 <epsy> I know nothing to python, but you can import the irc
18:54 <Lucifer> no, I don't mind at all
18:55 <smoothice> *sigh*
18:55 <smoothice> whatever
18:55 <PinkTomato> #ptfort
18:55 <Lucifer> #roulette
18:55 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
18:55  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:55 <epsy> haha
18:55 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
18:55 <smoothice> #roulette
18:55 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
18:55 <PinkTomato> alias add ptfort si "{PinkTomato}  Fortress Server"
18:55 <PinkTomato> #alias add ptfort si "{PinkTomato}  Fortress Server"
18:55 <epsy> #success
18:55 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <epsy> fail
18:55 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <Lucifer> er
18:55 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:55 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:55 <@armabot> Lucifer: *click*
18:55 <PinkTomato> aw, am I not allowed alias?
18:56 <epsy> @roulette
18:56 <smoothice> lol
18:56 <epsy> too bad
18:56 <smoothice> #alias add ptfort "PinkTomato Fortress"
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <epsy> @roulette
18:56 <smoothice> #ptfort
18:56 <Lucifer> what's the variable to get the user name that requested the alias?
18:56 <smoothice> $user
18:56 <epsy> $who
18:56 <smoothice> oh
18:56 <smoothice> lol
18:56 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo $user is trying to cheat!
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:56 <@armabot> n=satan is trying to cheat!
18:56 <epsy> lol
18:56 <Lucifer> no, not that one
18:56 <Lucifer> #alias add roulete echo $nick is trying to cheat!
18:56 <smoothice> #alias add kickepsy kick epsy
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:56 <Lucifer> #roulete
18:56 <smoothice> #kickepsy
18:56 <@armabot> Lucifer is trying to cheat!
18:56 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:57 <smoothice> awww
18:57 <Lucifer> #alias lock roulete
18:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:57 <epsy> #kickepsy
18:57 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:57 <epsy> bug :D
18:57 <BabyBug> #kickepsy
18:57 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BabyBug"]
18:57 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has joined #armagetron
18:57 <BabyBug> O.o
18:57 <BabyBug> oops
18:57 <epsy> LOL!
18:57 <Lucifer> #admin capability add epsy #armagetron,op
18:57 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
18:57 <smoothice> fail
18:57 <BabyBug> sorry!
18:57 <epsy> #whoami
18:57 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
18:57 <BabyBug> lol
18:57 <epsy> wont work until wrtl finally resets my account or adds my hostmask to it
18:58 <PinkTomato> do you need to be special to add alias'?
18:58 <smoothice> #alias add whoisbabybug whoami BabyBug
18:58 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
18:58 <smoothice> #whoisbabybug
18:58 <@armabot> smoothice: (whoami takes no arguments) -- Returns the name of the user calling the command.
18:58 <BabyBug> #alias remove kickepsy
18:58 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
18:58 <BabyBug> far too tempting =x
18:58 <smoothice> lol
18:58 <BabyBug> and the alias spam is getting a bit too much :P
18:59 <smoothice> yeah
18:59 <smoothice> so
18:59 <smoothice> 0.2.8.3
18:59 <smoothice> WHEN?
18:59 <smoothice> No pressure
18:59 <smoothice> :P
18:59 <BabyBug> #alias remove whoisbabybug
18:59 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
18:59 <epsy> Lucifer, or perhaps if you are able to run #hostmask add epsy n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
18:59 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy
18:59 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That hostmask is already registered.
19:00 <BabyBug> fail
19:00 <epsy> you forgot the last part
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy' is not a valid hostmask.  Make sure your hostmask includes a nick, then an exclamation point (!), then a user, then an at symbol (@), then a host.  Feel free to use wildcards (* and ?, which work just like they do on the command line) in any of these parts.
19:00 <epsy> smoothice, when we stop with stupid fart jokes, TWG and start working on .2.8
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'epsy@unaffiliated/epsy' is not a valid hostmask.  Make sure your hostmask includes a nick, then an exclamation point (!), then a user, then an at symbol (@), then a host.  Feel free to use wildcards (* and ?, which work just like they do on the command line) in any of these parts.
19:00 <smoothice> epsy: TWG?
19:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <epsy> yeah, that
19:00 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:00 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:01 <epsy> #whoami
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Lucifer_arma
19:01 <smoothice> #success
19:01 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
19:01 <PinkTomato> Lol
19:01 <Lucifer> smoothice: if it makes you feel any better, I'm working on 0.3.1 right now
19:01 <BabyBug> epsy, that was an epic fail command
19:01 <epsy> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Error: That hostmask is already registered.
19:01 <smoothice> Lucifer: why not 2.8.3?
19:01 <epsy> #hostmask remove epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:01 <Lucifer> ok, now I'm running make distcheck and expecting it to fail
19:02 <Lucifer> that's probably not terribly smart, is it?
19:02 <BabyBug> Not really Lucifer
19:02 <epsy> Lucifer, ping, you still entered the wrong line
19:02 <epsy>   #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
19:02 <epsy> heh, I probably logged you out
19:02 <Lucifer> #hostmask remove epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:02 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:03 <smoothice> how do I make my IRC hostname n=smoothice@unaffiliated/smoothice?
19:03 <Lucifer> haha, I just realized what I did
19:03 <epsy> did that already
19:03 <Lucifer> that's funny :)
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, ask a staffer
19:03 <smoothice> staffer?
19:03 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer
19:03 <BabyBug> your sloooooow today :P
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, did you register your nick?
19:03 <smoothice> epsy: yes
19:03 <Lucifer> BabyBug: hey, I was watching my make distcheck
19:03 <epsy> smoothice, go in #freenode and ask a staffer to set an unaffilated cloak on you
19:03 <epsy> (on your nick)
19:03 <smoothice> ok
19:04 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that's no excuse for giving epsy for control of armabot!
19:04 <BabyBug> :P
19:04 <BabyBug> full*
19:04 <epsy> luci does not have full control of armabot, afaik
19:04 <Lucifer> I can't see any reason epsy shouldn't have control of armabot, and I don't have full control of armabot anyway
19:04 <Lucifer> I mean, all epsy would do is make armabot surrender
19:04 <BabyBug> oh stupid technicalities
19:04  * Lucifer is in an odd mood right now
19:04 <BabyBug> Now ya just trying to cover up embarrasing mistakes by saying they're right =P
19:05 <epsy> Lucifer, can you please log in to armabot and allow me to finally get my account working right :x
19:05 <Lucifer> #whoami
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Lucifer_arma
19:05 <epsy> #whoami
19:05 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
19:05 <Lucifer> I can't do it, apparently
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: Lucifer!n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net
19:05 <Lucifer> #hostmask add
19:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:06 <Lucifer> #hostmask remove
19:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
19:06 <BabyBug> #help hostmask
19:06 <@armabot> BabyBug: (hostmask [<nick>]) -- Returns the hostmask of <nick>. If <nick> isn't given, return the hostmask of the person giving the command.
19:06 <Lucifer> I'm scared now
19:06 <BabyBug> #admin hostmask
19:06 <BabyBug> doh
19:06 <Lucifer> epsy: I don't think I can do it for you
19:06 <Lucifer> #help hostmask add
19:06 <@armabot> Lucifer: (hostmask add [<name>] [<hostmask>] [<password>]) -- Adds the hostmask <hostmask> to the user specified by <name>. The <password> may only be required if the user is not recognized by hostmask. If you include the <password> parameter, this message must be sent to the bot privately (not on a channel). <password> is also not required if an owner user is giving the command on behalf of (1 more message)
19:06 <epsy> grm
19:07 <Lucifer> you have to do it for yourself, eh?
19:07 <Lucifer> #admin capability add epsy hostmask,add
19:07 <BabyBug> epsy, don't you know the password?
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
19:07 <Lucifer> #list admin
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
19:07 <Lucifer> #list owner
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
19:07 <epsy> Lucifer, I can't, lost my password, eh
19:07 <Lucifer> #list user
19:07 <Lucifer> #list
19:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
19:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
19:08 <epsy> except if you can set my password
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19:08 <PinkTomato> can't you unregister and then register?
19:08 <PinkTomato> oh wait
19:08 <epsy> um
19:08 <PinkTomato> I see the flaw
19:08 <PinkTomato> sorry
19:08 <epsy> I can't unregister no
19:08 <Lucifer> epsy: I can't, but wrtlprnft can
19:08 <Lucifer> you have to be an owner to do that, apparently
19:08 <epsy> well, let's head for the 3rd try
19:09 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft can you *please* run #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
19:09 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:09 <Lucifer> automake is fucking stupid
19:09 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no it's not!
19:09  * Lucifer hates automake
19:09 <Lucifer> yes it is
19:09 <Lucifer> look at this:
19:09 <BabyBug> not!
19:09 <epsy> it's better than autopython
19:10 <Lucifer> autom4te: cannot create autom4te.cache: Permission denied
19:10 <Lucifer> why was permission denied?
19:10 <Lucifer> well, look at what it put in the fucking tarball:
19:10 <Lucifer> dr-xr-xr-x 17 dave dave     4096 2009-01-03 12:02 armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103
19:10 <Lucifer> now, does that make any sense?
19:10 <epsy> lol
19:10 <Lucifer> now I have to check it by hand, or figure out why it did that in the tarball in the first place
19:10 <epsy> it's a disguised sudoers file
19:11 <Lucifer> well, I can't check it by hand, because....
19:11 <Lucifer> THAT'S A BROKEN TARBALL NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT!
19:11 <Lucifer> grrr
19:11 -!- smoothice is now known as smoothice_
19:11  * BabyBug knows how to fix it!
19:12 <epsy> BabyBug saves the day
19:12 -!- smoothice_ is now known as smoothice
19:12  * BabyBug actually has no idea.......
19:12 <epsy> (time for her to time out)
19:12 <BabyBug> lol
19:13 <smoothice> epsy: thanks
19:13 <smoothice> epsy: it worked
19:13 <epsy> #last --from epsy --with smoothice
19:13 <@armabot> epsy: [19:03:49] <epsy> smoothice, go in #freenode and ask a staffer to set an unaffilated cloak on you
19:14 <Lucifer> it got even worse when I looked inside the directory
19:14 <epsy> ah, yw
19:14 <smoothice> lol
19:14 <Lucifer> I suspect a problem on my machine, now
19:14 <PinkTomato> :(
19:14 <PinkTomato> permissions are annyoying
19:14 <BabyBug> sudo chmod -R 777 /
19:14 <BabyBug> \o/
19:14 <PinkTomato> lol :D
19:15 <Lucifer> sudo echo BabyBug, shut the fuck up!
19:15 <epsy> and then you will see it will be even more annoying
19:15 <epsy> and don't talk about making sandwhiches
19:15 <BabyBug> =(
19:15 <Lucifer> heh
19:15 <Lucifer> epsy: make me a sandwich
19:15 <epsy> -actually, I'd make myself one
19:15 <epsy> #kick Lucifer
19:15 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:15 <Lucifer> haha
19:16 <Lucifer> #kick epsy you need to remember your armabot password!
19:16 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "you need to remember your armabot password!"]
19:17 <BabyBug> Now you've upset him =(
19:18 <Lucifer> heh, he didn't come back :)
19:18 <Lucifer> I'm just going to disable ruby entirely for now
19:19 <Lucifer> it's not really ready for release anyway
19:19 <BabyBug> hrmm? that's what's causing the problem?
19:19 <PinkTomato> something that is not used
19:19 <Lucifer> well, ruby's kind of half-baked still
19:19 <Lucifer> ruby support, I mean
19:19 <Lucifer> and one of the files that swig generates is listed to be distributed, because automake typically distributes generated sources like that
19:19 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:19 <Lucifer> re epsy
19:20 <BabyBug> wb
19:20 <epsy> re
19:20 <epsy> what was I supposed to do already?
19:21 <epsy> ah
19:21 <epsy> ..admin abuse..
19:22 <Lucifer> hey, it appears to be working
19:22 <BabyBug> \o/
19:22  * BabyBug hands Lucifer a cookie \o/
19:22 <Lucifer> awww, didn't work
19:23  * BabyBug steals the cookie back
19:23 <epsy> http://qdb.us/289288
19:24 <Lucifer> tar: armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/resource/included/Lucifer/ThreePlayerFortress/BaseInvertedCrossFortress-0.2.4.aamap.xml: file name is too long (max 99); not dumped   <------ WTF???
19:24 <BabyBug> the file name is too long!
19:25 <MrBougo> * epsy (n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy) has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:25  * BabyBug hides
19:25 <MrBougo> #aRmAGeTRoN ?
19:25 <epsy> yes, you can copypaste!
19:26 <Lucifer> I can't join that channel
19:26 <Lucifer> is that what happens to people who are /removed from here?
19:26 <Lucifer> #kick Lucifer
19:26 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "Lucifer"]
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19:26 <epsy> depends how you you capitalize it
19:27 <BabyBug> just /join #aRmAGeTRoN
19:27 <epsy> BabyBug, don't join, JUST SHOOT
19:27 <BabyBug> just shoot...ePsY
19:27 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-219-151.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron []
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19:27 <MrBougo> eh.
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19:28 <Lucifer> ahhh, I see what's going on now
19:28 -!- BabyBug [n=BabyBug@87.113.11.189.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #aRmAGeTRoN
19:28 <BabyBug> \o/
19:28  * PinkTomato does not see
19:28 <MrBougo> fun.
19:28 <ct|kyle> epsy: Nope
19:28 <epsy> MrBougo, pretty much only works on freenode, sadly
19:28 <epsy> ct|kyle, ok
19:28 <MrBougo> funny
19:29 <Lucifer> for some reason, while doing make distcheck, make triggers the bootstrap targets and tries to rerun the autotools
19:29 <ct|kyle> epsy: if you don't put in a name, then it does not show that top bar
19:29 <Lucifer> make distcheck intentionally sets the permissions like it does to ensure that nothing gets written int he source dir
19:30 <Lucifer> so it's not like that in the tarball
19:30 <Lucifer> this hopefully means that something was just borked for me
19:31  * BabyBug is trying to interpret if that is good or bad
19:32 <Lucifer> if it results in me getting make distcheck to pass, then it's good
19:32 <BabyBug> \o/
19:33 <epsy> /o\
19:33 <Lucifer> nope, keeps trying to run autotools
19:34 <Lucifer> #bzr
19:34 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) (bzr >= 1.4)
19:35 <Lucifer> ah oh, I think I just screwied up
19:35 <smoothice> bzr branch = bzr co?
19:35 <epsy> no
19:35 <Lucifer> oh, maybe not
19:35 <smoothice> epsy: no?
19:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no, xmpp cannot read minds
19:35 <Lucifer> epsy: would you be wililng to pull the trunk and try make distcheck?
19:35 <Lucifer> see if it's just my system?  ;)
19:36 <epsy> smoothice, the doc explains it better than I would ever do, and on top of that it does it quickly - see the workflows section
19:36 <Lucifer> luke-jr: of course not, it's just a protocol, protocols can't read minds!
19:36 <luke-jr> freeciv anyone?
19:36 <epsy> Lucifer, at rev 744 ?
19:37 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one
19:37 <epsy> damn :)
19:37 <Lucifer> heh
19:37 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: does your server work?
19:37 <Lucifer> just run it and forget about it :)
19:37 <Lucifer> renice it to 15 if you want
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: which one?
19:37 <PinkTomato> the TWG thingy
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yeah
19:37 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: wanna play?
19:37 <PinkTomato> I couldn't get the !join to work
19:37 <luke-jr> we need at least 4 players
19:37 <epsy> nah, it's not long anymore for me to copy new branches, I finally set ~/CODE/ as a bzr repository
19:37 <PinkTomato> I have to go in a minute
19:38 <luke-jr> pft
19:38 <epsy> from what I've seen it really seems to be avoiding having the same rev 8 times
19:38 <PinkTomato> i know, sorry :), I'll learn the rules for next time ;)
19:38 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: technically, just ! works too
19:39 <epsy> Lucifer, any specific configure flag?
19:39 <Lucifer> epsy: none
19:39 <Lucifer> if it has the same problem I've got, it won't get far
19:39 <Lucifer> if it doesn't, it'll build the game like 3 times
19:40 <epsy> it started compiling the main stuff
19:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: [0] Waiting for real players (only spectators online)…
19:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer: does that msg serve a purpose?
19:40 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes
19:40 <epsy> it is shown as console_message
19:40 <luke-jr> yeah, I know
19:40 <luke-jr> but it's annoying
19:40 <epsy> but well, if it didn't spam scrollback, that would be neat
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19:41 <Lucifer> crap, 0.2.8 has a higher rev then trunk
19:41 <epsy> it had, for a long time now, on bzr branches
19:41  * luke-jr would think the center_message would be enough
19:41 <epsy> that does show up in logs as well doesnt it?
19:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8725 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. configure.ac): dave@davefancella.com: Enable armathentication by default
19:41 <luke-jr> no
19:41 <Lucifer> heh, that took long enough
19:42 <luke-jr> should setup a bzr hook to do it on commit
19:42 <epsy> err
19:42 <epsy> autotools are kicking in
19:42 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8726 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am src/swig/Makefile.am): dave@davefancella.com: Can make dist, but still failing make distcheck
19:42 <epsy> luke-jr, cia tracking?
19:43 <Lucifer> wtf?  I ran make distclean in 0.2.8, and it's building the game!
19:43 <luke-jr> epsy: bzr->svn sync
19:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, that's annoying
19:43 <epsy> ah, well, that would be on clients then
19:43 <epsy> perhaps base yourself on the cia plugin?
19:43 <epsy> cd .. && /bin/sh /home/epsy/CODE/armagetron/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/missing --run aclocal-1.10
19:43 <epsy> autom4te: cannot create autom4te.cache: Permission non accordée
19:43 <epsy> aclocal-1.10: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
19:44 <luke-jr> bzr hooks are on clients? :/
19:44 <Lucifer> epsy: yep, that's what it did to me, thanks :)
19:44 <Lucifer> luke-jr: bzr server is a ssh server
19:44 <epsy> luke-jr, well, we can't install hooks at launchpad
19:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: same w/ svn in many cases
19:44 <luke-jr> epsy: oh
19:44 <luke-jr> so LP has the same problem SF does ;/
19:44 <epsy> well, there is not really any actual bzr server, in general
19:44 <Lucifer> svn servers I've seen have been run through apache
19:45 <luke-jr> settign them up thru Apache is a pain
19:45 <luke-jr> svnserve and svn+ssh is far easier
19:45 <epsy> but you need mod_subversion
19:45 <epsy> which turns apache into a subvrsion server
19:45 <epsy> doesnt it?
19:45 <Lucifer> yeah, but you can apt-get what you need and it just works
19:45 <epsy> bzr+ssh will just use the bzrlib in place on the server
19:46 <Lucifer> it's only a pain if you're running inferior OS distributions
19:46 <luke-jr> epsy: same w/ svn+ssh
19:46 <epsy> luke-jr, with added spice!
19:46 <Lucifer> I'm gonna go smoke while I wait for this disaster to sorrt itself out
19:46 <luke-jr> no freeciv then?
19:47 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no new years resolution to give up smoking? :P
19:48 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r744 Can make dist, but still failing make distcheck || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r743 Enable armathentication by default
19:48 <epsy> Lucifer, well, these RSS feeds are slow
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20:21 <smoothice> Is the trunk fixed?
20:23 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has joined #armagetron
20:25 <smoothice> Lucifer: How about we all go back to svn and be done with it:)
20:27 <Lucifer> smoothice: trunk still works fine, I'm working on stuff that doesn't affect people who are just building and running from the trunk
20:28 <smoothice> Lucifer: When I checkout trunk and build it compiles fine but I get seg. fault when I run it
20:28 <smoothice> Lucifer: on Mac OS X
20:29 <Lucifer> smoothice: is this the same problem you've been having, or a new problem?
20:30 <smoothice> I've had this problem for a while.. the last trunk rev that worked for me was 726
20:30 <Lucifer> is there a backtrace somewhere on launchpad associated with this problem?  ;)
20:30 <smoothice> Lucifer: not at the moment.. but I did do one once and it reported problems in tConfiguration.cpp
20:30 <smoothice> I'll generate a new one soon
20:30 <luke-jr> distcheck fails for 0.2.8 here
20:31 <luke-jr> and leaves a directory that rm -rf can't clean up
20:31 <Lucifer> hmmm, I just started it in 0.2.8
20:31 <luke-jr> I wonder if that's a bug in rm
20:31 <Lucifer> did it build anything for you?
20:31 <Lucifer> no, if you look at the directory, nobody has write permissions to it
20:31 <luke-jr> it built and complained about leftover files
20:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: rm -f should get around that
20:32 <Lucifer> distcheck does that intentionally so it will fail if anything tried to write to that directory
20:32 <Lucifer> no, -f just suppressess the "Doo you  want to delete this file?" prompt
20:32 <luke-jr> -f also ignores -w on the file itself
20:32 <luke-jr> that prompt doesn't happen by default
20:37 <smoothice> #dns atlanta047.ath.cx
20:37 <@armabot> Host not found.
20:37 <smoothice> #dns google.com
20:37 <@armabot> Host not found.
20:37 <smoothice> wtf ^ ?
20:37 <BabyBug> @dns google.com
20:37 <teabot> BabyBug: 72.14.205.100
20:37 <BabyBug> @dns atlanta047.ath.cx
20:37 <teabot> BabyBug: 66.71.249.140
20:37 <luke-jr> any idea if QBzr is useful?
20:38 <smoothice> wrtlprnft: DNS on armabot is broken
20:41 <smoothice> luke-jr: qbzr is demented
20:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: of course DNS on armabot is broken
20:41 <smoothice> luke-jr: why?
20:41 <luke-jr> DNS is always broken in general
20:41 <smoothice> @dns google.com
20:41 <smoothice> ]dns google.com
20:41 <teabot> smoothice: 72.14.205.100
20:41 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "dns" is not a valid command.
20:41 <smoothice> It works on teabot
20:42 <luke-jr> :þ
20:42 <luke-jr> [13:37:37] <BabyBug> @dns google.com
20:42 <luke-jr> [13:37:42] <teabot> BabyBug: 72.14.205.100
20:42 <BabyBug> Hi?
20:42 <luke-jr> o
20:42 <luke-jr> that was teabot too
20:42 <luke-jr> BabyBug: O HAI
20:42 <BabyBug> HI THAR!
20:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: o hai thar
20:43 <BabyBug> air hair lair <--- The posh british way of saying, Oh hello there.
20:43 <luke-jr> …
20:44 <BabyBug> That's something even americans can understand!
20:58 <smoothice> ;p;
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21:10 <epsy> luke-jr, that looks good
21:10 <epsy> [qbzr]
21:11 <BabyBug> epsy looks good \o/
21:12 <epsy> not really :\
21:12 <BabyBug> ...
21:12 <BabyBug> self esteem epsy!!
21:13 <epsy> realism
21:15 <BabyBug> pssht
21:15 <luke-jr> epsy: looks good is a matter of opinion
21:15 <luke-jr> there is no realism
21:15 <luke-jr> therefore, you are not being realistic, but pessimistic
21:15 <BabyBug> \o/
21:16 <BabyBug> go luke-jr!
21:16 <epsy> as long as one thinks nooses that shift in one direction makes one nice, you're right
21:17 <luke-jr> ah, but the nose does not need to make you look nice
21:17 <luke-jr> you could look nice DESPITE the nose
21:17 <luke-jr> worst case scenario
21:17 <epsy> I would know that
21:18 <epsy> argh...SH
21:19  * luke-jr gives epsy a hug.
21:21  * BabyBug sexes epsy up
21:24 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@5ac9ebfd.bb.sky.com] has joined #armagetron
21:27  * BabyBug covers the Potato in red!
21:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no reason we need to support new maps using 0.2.8_beta3 DTD, do we?
21:30  * PinkTomato runs away!
21:30 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:35 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, failz
21:36 <PinkTomato> :P
21:37 <PinkTomato> ptfort
21:37 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:37 <PinkTomato> #ptfort
21:37 <@armabot> PinkTomato: {PinkTomato}  Fortress Server: Players (0/26):
21:37 <Corn> @sd -v cafe
21:37 <teabot> Corn: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090102 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (2/32): firefpk96, flush
21:38 <BabyBug> Corn, why don't you add it as a server bookmark?
21:38 <BabyBug> and why can't you browser the servers?
21:39 <PinkTomato> Corn: try BROWSER_
21:39 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:39 <Lucifer> luke-jr: it was only one file left in the build directory
21:39 <Lucifer> not sure where it came from, but the important thing is the 0.2.8 branch got waaay past the trunk
21:40 <Lucifer> I guess I'd better figure out why the trunk won't pass distcheck
21:42  * BabyBug is still ready and waiting for the packages! *shuts up now*
21:42 <Lucifer> heh
21:42 <Lucifer> the autopackage *might* build now, it doesn't have to pass distcheck to get an autopackage out of it
21:42 <BabyBug> What does distcheck actually do? (or did you not figure that out :P)
21:43 <Lucifer> it builds a source release tarball, then decompresses it, builds the game, does distclean, and checks to see what's left
21:43 <BabyBug> Hrmmm...What's the point of that?
21:43 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
21:43 <Lucifer> I think it might build a second source release tarball from the source tarball, and test that, too
21:43 <Lucifer> to make sure the files distributed are all that's needed, and that the vpath build works
21:44 <BabyBug> oh
21:44 <Lucifer> if any files are missing, the build will fail
21:44 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m550e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #armagetron
21:45 <BabyBug> well...makes sense i guess ^^
21:45 <Lucifer> we have a bit of a rule that a release has to pass distcheck before we can release
21:45 <Lucifer> we can test all sorts of stuff, but to get a version number, it has to pass distcheck
21:45 <BabyBug> lol...that's just silly :P
21:45 <Lucifer> ok, it appears the autopackage is building
21:46 <BabyBug> \o/
21:46 <BabyBug> You should make a .deb!
21:46 <Lucifer> er, no, it's not silly, a package that passes distcheck is more likely to be of high quality (in terms of distribution, not in terms of good software) than a package that doesn't
21:47 <ivantis2> am i unbanned yet?
21:47 <Lucifer> to be quite honest, I consider the minimum 0.3.1 release to be a source tarball, windows installer, mac package, and autopackage
21:47 <BabyBug> more likely...Doesn't mean it will beeeeee =P (yes i know i'm splitting hairs there)
21:47 <Lucifer> #kick ivantis2 don't ask stupid questions
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21:47 <Lucifer> oh good, it failed
21:48 <BabyBug> wonderful!
21:48  * BabyBug cracks open the champagne
21:48 <Lucifer> ../../builds/b_0.3_alpha20090103/B1/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/src/resource/tResourceManager.h:35:19: error: tDict.h: No such file or directory
21:48 <PinkTomato> no one ever built a dictionary did they?
21:49 <BabyBug> built a what?
21:49 <BabyBug> oh
21:49 <BabyBug> i see
21:49 <BabyBug> sorry
21:49 <PinkTomato> guessing from the filename
21:49 <BabyBug> blonde moment
21:49 <BabyBug> ya
21:49  * BabyBug stops using enter as punctuation ><
21:49 <PinkTomato> how would that even work?
21:50 <smoothice> PinkTomato: hai thar
21:50 <Lucifer> it's a header that just makes a std::map<tString, *>
21:50 <Lucifer> er
21:50 <Lucifer> it's a header that just makes a std::map<tString, T>
21:50 <BabyBug> TMI
21:50 <PinkTomato> hi smoothice
21:50 <Lucifer> in fact, I made it, heh
21:50 <Lucifer> so this is my fault this time ;)
21:50 <PinkTomato> :D
21:51 <BabyBug> lol Lucifer, finally owning up to something? :P
21:51  * BabyBug gets the camera!
21:51 <smoothice> #dns google.com
21:51 <@armabot> Host not found.
21:51 <Lucifer> oh no, it's still your fault somehow, BabyBug
21:51 <BabyBug> ><
21:51 <Lucifer> even though you weren't around here when I made it...
21:51  * BabyBug cries
21:51 <BabyBug> lol
21:51  * smoothice :/
21:51 <BabyBug> what did you make it?
21:51 <BabyBug> when*
21:51 <PinkTomato> is --lucifer always wins still in the trunk?
21:51 <Lucifer> afaik, why?
21:52 <Lucifer> BabyBug: not sure, to be honest, a year ago, maybe longer?
21:52 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: if it's still there, it''ll be in 0.3.1 ;)
21:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Oh ok. Newp possible link to me then =P
21:52 <PinkTomato> Lucifer:  :D
21:53 <Lucifer> ok, now I'm pissed
21:53 <Lucifer> hmmmm
21:53 <BabyBug> uhhh
21:53 <BabyBug> pissed?
21:53 <Lucifer> american pissed, not UK pissed
21:53 <BabyBug> like angry/annoyed?
21:53 <Lucifer> I realize that's a word that means starkly different things depending on which side of the pond you're on
21:54 <PinkTomato> along with sick
21:54 <BabyBug> it's slightly bigger than a pond hunni xD
21:54 <Lucifer> hmmmm, this requires deeper inspection
21:55  * Lucifer removes armagetron's shirt
21:55 <BabyBug> that's what she said ;)
21:55 <BabyBug> Ok i'll really shut up this time =x
21:57 <BabyBug> (this would be the point one where someone says "no no it's fine baby")
22:01 <Lucifer> I don't see anybody saying that
22:01  * BabyBug cries
22:02  * Lucifer wants to replace the makefile in the build module withh a python script
22:02 <BabyBug> You got my vote!
22:02 <PinkTomato> won't that make it fail make distclean?
22:02 <Lucifer> yeah, but the only reason I want to do it is so I'll understand what it does :)
22:03 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: no, the build module is separate and contains release building stuff
22:03 <PinkTomato> ah right :), assuming you meant what I actually meant make distcheck
22:03 <PinkTomato> make distclean would wipe the compiled source, i think
22:04 <epsy> but run autotools first
22:04 <Lucifer> no, this is a pretty custom makefile
22:06 <luke-jr> any idea how to branch on LP?
22:06 <Lucifer> bzr branch
22:06 <epsy> in the way svn means it?
22:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer: how do I get it on LP tho?
22:06 <epsy> push
22:06 <Lucifer> bzr push lp:yadayada
22:06 <smoothice> register the branch
22:06 <luke-jr> …
22:07 <luke-jr> the original project is not on LP
22:07 <luke-jr> I want the branch to be
22:07 <epsy> you don't need to register it first
22:07 <Lucifer> then you have to create the project, or put it in +junk
22:07 <epsy> put it in your junk folder
22:07 <luke-jr> O.o
22:07 <luke-jr> but how?
22:07 <Lucifer> I'd put it in +junk unless you have reason to create a project for it
22:07 <BabyBug> https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto \o/
22:07 <epsy> lp:~you/+junk/branchname
22:07 <epsy> and what BabyBug said, too
22:07 <epsy> er
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22:07 <epsy> no
22:08 <smoothice> dlh: the latest trunk doesn't run on mac os x
22:08 <smoothice> dlh: it outputs seg. fault
22:09 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:09 <luke-jr> can anyone bzr get http://bzr.malept.com/bazaar-overlay/ ?
22:09 <PinkTomato> it is empty
22:10 <dlh> smoothice: the client doesn't work?
22:10 <smoothice> dlh: dedicated server
22:10 <Lucifer> typedef std::map< tString, tResourceType::Reference > tResourceTypeMap;   <--- what's wrong with this line?
22:10 <smoothice> dlh: I'll have a backtrace in one second
22:10 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Are you asking because you don't know?
22:10 <Lucifer> heh, yes
22:10 <epsy> gah, typedefs are annoying
22:10 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: what am I fetching?
22:11 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: a Gentoo overlay
22:11 <epsy> what does it give for an error?
22:11 <luke-jr> bzr crashes with it when I try
22:11 <PinkTomato> Its worked now
22:11 <luke-jr> :/
22:11 <BabyBug> luke-jr, bzr crashed here to
22:11 <luke-jr> what version?
22:11 <PinkTomato> 1.3.1
22:11 <BabyBug> O.o
22:11 <epsy> time to split the channel
22:12 <Lucifer> epsy: it looks like the <<Map> header wasn't being included there
22:12 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: want me to archive it and stick on a webserver for a while?
22:13 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
22:13 <PinkTomato> ok
22:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: what ver do you use?
22:13 <BabyBug> 1.9
22:13 <PinkTomato> :S
22:13 <luke-jr> i c
22:13 <luke-jr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/+bug/313555
22:13 <BabyBug> and you? :P
22:13 <teabot> Launchpad bug 313555 in bzr-gentoo-overlay "Bazaar has encountered an internal error checking out bzr-gentoo-overlay" [Undecided,New]
22:13 <dlh> smoothice: i got the segfault too. no need to post your bt
22:13 <luke-jr> BabyBug: plz "affects me too"
22:13 <epsy> awk '{ print "#define TRUE_ARMAGETRONAD_" $1 " " $2 }' <-- if this is in Makefile.am, does the $ need to be escaped?
22:13 <luke-jr> I tried 1.6.1, 1.9, and 1.10
22:13 <luke-jr> 1.3.1 is too old for Gentoo :/
22:13 <BabyBug> there's a 1.10?
22:13 <smoothice> dlh: ok... so it isn't just me that's having the problem?
22:14 <luke-jr> yes
22:14 <epsy> luke-jr, what happened?
22:14 <epsy> BabyBug, I'm using it
22:14 <smoothice> dlh: do you know the cause?
22:14 <luke-jr> epsy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/+bug/313555
22:14 <dlh> i'm looking at it right now. i'll ping you when I find a fix
22:14 <smoothice> dlh: ok thanks
22:15 <epsy> get ?
22:16 <PinkTomato> I thought it was branch?
22:16 <epsy> that's an alias of branch
22:16 <PinkTomato> ah right
22:16 <BabyBug> happens with co aswell though
22:17 <BabyBug> so that's neither here nor there \o/
22:17 <epsy> bzr: ERROR: Lock not held: LockableFiles(lock, http://bzr.malept.com/.bzr/repository/)
22:18 <epsy> but no crash
22:19 <luke-jr> yeah
22:19 <luke-jr> forgot to note that difference with 1.10
22:19 <epsy> that just sounds like a messed up repo
22:20  * BabyBug agrees!
22:20  * Lucifer agrees with BabyBug.
22:20 <luke-jr> epsy: I also-affects the repo too :þ
22:20 <Lucifer> hey BabyBug (hi there!) , 2 years ago you were half my age
22:20 <epsy> hm?
22:20 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/neal/race/WWRacing-1.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by neal
22:20 <luke-jr> epsy: note it worked for PinkTomato's old 1.3.1 tho
22:20 <PinkTomato>  bzr branch lp:bzr-gentoo-overlay
22:21 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes i was. Is that leading onto something or was it random?
22:21 <Lucifer> random
22:21 <PinkTomato> that worked on 1.6r5
22:21 <BabyBug> You're...34?
22:21 <BabyBug> yes you must be \o/
22:21  * BabyBug couldn't remember from yesterday
22:21 <epsy> he is
22:21 <epsy> lp:bzr-gentoo-overlay works
22:21 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: but its r187, and the other link is r195
22:22 <PinkTomato> as quoted on lp: This branch may be out of date, because Launchpad has not been able to access it since 2008-12-05.
22:23 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, did you say it was empty though when you did it?
22:23 <PinkTomato> When you access it via HTTP
22:23 <BabyBug> ah
22:23 <Lucifer> grrrr
22:23 <PinkTomato> I guessed afterwards its something to do with it needing bzr protocol
22:24 <BabyBug> :P
22:24 <Lucifer> ../../builds/b_0.3_alpha20090103/B4/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:4932: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
22:24 <Lucifer> didn't we just talk about this line?
22:24 <PinkTomato> Yesterday!
22:24 <PinkTomato> That's my error
22:24 <PinkTomato> the line luke-jr thought I was lieing about
22:24 <Lucifer> how did it get into the trunk?
22:24 <luke-jr> Lucifer: it isn't in Svn trunk
22:25 <Lucifer> great, luke-jr fixed it in the library of congress
22:25 <BabyBug> you really should stop using 2......
22:25 <Lucifer> WE'RE not using two, luke-jr is
22:25 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stop using 2
22:25 <luke-jr> no I'm not
22:25 <luke-jr> I'm only using Subversion
22:25 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stop using svn
22:25 <luke-jr> BabyBug: svn is the primary
22:26 <luke-jr> and Lucifer is too lazy to add me to the bzr list
22:26 <luke-jr> :þ
22:26 <Lucifer> er, no
22:26 <BabyBug> Ok let's rephrase. The project as a WHOLE should stop using 2
22:26 <Lucifer> consider this little episode one of the reasons I won't add you to the bzr list
22:26 <Lucifer> the Right Thing for you to do would have been to post a patch, preferably on lp bugs
22:26 <BabyBug> add me to the bzr list \o/
22:26 <Lucifer> instead you chose the ass-wrong choice
22:26 <luke-jr> post a patch for what?
22:26 <smoothice> dlh: any luck?
22:26 <Lucifer> which was to commit to svn knowing damn well we don't commit to it anymore
22:26 <dlh> testing a fix right now
22:26 <luke-jr> I haven't touched that code.
22:27 <PinkTomato> anyway, it still exists in svn
22:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: nobody ever told me svn commits aren't supported/allowed
22:27 <smoothice> dlh: ok cool
22:27 <PinkTomato> and bzr, tried both
22:27 <luke-jr> last I checked, the bot synced in both directions
22:27 <luke-jr> either way, I didn't touch that code
22:27 <luke-jr> and trunk still has a different line
22:27 <luke-jr>             lowerUser = tString( "AAA" ) << lowerUser;
22:28 <smoothice> dlh: once you commit your changes to the trunk I can merge from trunk in my branch
22:29 <Lucifer> I don't even know what that thing's doing right there, heh
22:29 <Lucifer> maybe this is a compiler thing, where it used to work but doesn't anymore
22:30 <Lucifer> how did you fix it?
22:30 <luke-jr> if you're asking me, I didn't fix anything, it just never was a problem
22:30 <Lucifer> ok, what did you commit yesterday then, when PinkTomato (hi there!) raised this one?
22:31 <dlh> smoothice: i pushed a fix to lp.
22:31 <smoothice> dlh: ok
22:31 <smoothice> dlh: thanks
22:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: my last commit to trunk was 2008-12-18, removing the Bitstream font
22:31 <Lucifer> er, I don't think we're having the same conversation with each other, heh
22:31 <luke-jr> my involvement with PinkTomato yesterday was simply "works for me" and "that looks really weird, and isn't in svn trunk"
22:32 <Lucifer> ah, I thought you'd committed a fix yesterday
22:32 <Lucifer> that's what I thought when I saw the conversation yesterday, for some reason
22:32 <luke-jr> nope, like I said, I haven't touched any of that code
22:32 <Lucifer> gcc --version ?
22:32 <luke-jr> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20070214 (  (gdc 0.24, using dmd 1.020)) (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.1)
22:32 <Lucifer> then it's probably a gcc problem
22:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the thign that strikes me as weird is the variation between svn and bzr trunk
22:32 <smoothice> dlh: What's the difference between bzr co and bzr branch?
22:32 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: gcc --version ?
22:33 <smoothice> dlh: I've always used branch
22:33 <Lucifer> bzr co works like svn co, essentially
22:33 <Lucifer> commits go straight to the repo
22:33 <smoothice> o
22:33 <smoothice> ok
22:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what's your gcc version?
22:33 <Lucifer> bzr branch copies the repository, and commits are done locally
22:33 <Lucifer> 4.2.4
22:33 <BabyBug> ahhh
22:33 <Lucifer> gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)
22:34 <BabyBug> It used to compile for me though :s
22:35 <epsy> grm, a tree that's based off an old revision, but which has changed will be labelled as it just was that old revision
22:35 <PinkTomato> I'ld like to note, I got it compiling, it was my configure line
22:36 <BabyBug> O.o
22:36 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)
22:36 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: what was wrong with your configure line?
22:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8727 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tConfiguration.h): Daniel Lee Harple: Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change was lost when z-man merged 0.2.8.
22:37 <PinkTomato> I think it was: ./configure --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication
22:37 <Lucifer> that looks like somebody's fix
22:37 <Lucifer> that was the config line that worked, or the one that didn't work?
22:37 <PinkTomato> didn't work
22:37 <Lucifer> this line is in a krawall block
22:37 <PinkTomato> I went to bare configure, so I didn't isolate it
22:37 <Lucifer> does anybody know if z-man used the existing krawall block when he made armathentication?
22:37 <epsy> yes
22:38 <epsy> pretty much half the stuff in there has Krawall stamped on it
22:38 <Lucifer> yeah, he just built on that anyway
22:38 <luke-jr> that's how it works with old pre-0.2.8 clients
22:38 <epsy> even the constant that triggers it is named KRAWALL, or KRAWALL_SOMETHING
22:38 <smoothice> dlh: Did that seg. fault affect all platforms? (not just osx)
22:39 <luke-jr> epsy: define, not const
22:39 <epsy> "the define" ?
22:40 <epsy> that sounds like the line which produced .. whatever it produces
22:40 <Lucifer> it looks like it just prepends AAA to a player name
22:40 <Lucifer> er, or did you mean the line dlh just added?
22:40 <epsy> I remember prepending AAA to something
22:40 <epsy> but that was far from players
22:40 <dlh> smoothice: probably. the behavior for the problem is undefined.
22:40 <smoothice> dlh: ok
22:41 <luke-jr> tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
22:41 <luke-jr> so why is that cast?
22:41 <smoothice> dlh: successful compile and run ... thanks again
22:41 <epsy> lol!
22:41 <luke-jr> "AAA" is already a const char*, no?
22:41 <epsy> it is
22:41 <Lucifer> it's not in the code, that's just how the compiler sees it
22:41 <dlh> smoothice: np.
22:41 <luke-jr> OH
22:44 <BabyBug> Lucifer
22:44 <BabyBug> Are you using ld gold?
22:44 <PinkTomato> why would you want to append AAA anyway?
22:44 <BabyBug> gold linker
22:44 <BabyBug> whatever you want to call it?
22:44 <PinkTomato> sound's very hacky
22:45 <epsy> PinkTomato, to sort it first
22:45 <Lucifer> it's building a list of armathentication authorities
22:45 <PinkTomato> oh right
22:45 <epsy> that's how it's done with .. something
22:45 <epsy> aaah THAT
22:45 <epsy> then I did that 2 times :)
22:46 <epsy> Lucifer, of admins, actually
22:46 <epsy> Lucifer, it's just that it puts authorities first, because it makes more sense
22:46 <PinkTomato> won't it get confused when something/someone is called AAAMan?
22:47 <epsy> read the line again :)
22:47 <Lucifer> that's just the key
22:47 <epsy> the sort keys are all lowercase
22:47 <Lucifer> not these, these have AAA in the beginning of them
22:47 <epsy> the sort keys of individual users are all lowercase
22:47 <Lucifer> well, I got it to compile, but the line I put in there isn't pretty
22:48 <Lucifer> lowerUser = tColoredString((tString&)"AAA" + lowerUser);
22:49 <Lucifer> I probably don't want to push that to the trunk
22:49 <Lucifer> should wait till I'm not sick and sleepy and look at the broken line again ;)
22:50 <Lucifer> note to self: make sure the trunk builds before you try to build an autopackage out of it
22:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you're in america right?
22:52 <luke-jr> he's one of them crazy Texans
22:53 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
22:53 <BabyBug> that's why he gets tired at really weird times?
22:53 <luke-jr> lol
22:53 <epsy> haha
22:54 <luke-jr> TWG code is about to be on LP
22:54 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: why did you do it as /msg?
22:54 <PinkTomato> was it a stylistic choice?
22:55 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ?
22:55 <PinkTomato> Isn't there a way to add a /twg to arma through config options to be parsed by a script?
22:56 <luke-jr> yeah, but
22:56 <teabot> armacommits: [smoothice] r728 merge with trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r745 Initialize shouldChangeFunc_ instance variable. This change ...
22:56 <luke-jr> the game is connecting as spectator
22:56 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-219-151.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit []
22:56 <epsy> The game entered the game.
22:56 <luke-jr> ☺
22:56 <BabyBug> it's the matrix all over again!
22:56 <PinkTomato> :) lol
22:56 <luke-jr> lp:~luke-jr/+junk/yandere-twg
22:56 <PinkTomato> so you made it capable of being able to enter any arma?
22:57 <luke-jr> in theory
22:57 <luke-jr> but it needs anti-spam-protection access level
22:57 <luke-jr> and currently a high SPAM_MAXLEN
22:57 <luke-jr> (even though it bypasses it, the code isn't aware of that)
22:58 <PinkTomato> ah so thats why you added the access_level_spam
22:58 <luke-jr> note that lp branch is incomplete by itself
22:58 <luke-jr> anyone know how bzr externals work?
22:58 <luke-jr> ☺
22:59 -!- SageLord [i=459ac419@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44086fbb5e5959af] has joined #armagetron
23:01 <epsy> bzr externals?
23:01 <teabot> armablah: Fortress vs. Sumo « Play Fortress <http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/fortress-vs-sumo/>
23:01 <luke-jr> apparently called nested trees
23:01 <luke-jr> the problem is the full TWG is 3 pieces
23:01 <luke-jr> 1. the IRC Yandere game, designed for Pharo
23:01 <luke-jr> 2. wrtl's PHP arma client
23:01 <luke-jr> 3. glue code to tie them together
23:03 <epsy> Ah right
23:03 -!- z-man [n=manuel@81.193.139.86] has joined #armagetron
23:03 <BabyBug> php arma client?
23:03 <luke-jr> any reason bzr branch shouldn't be used as a flat-out import method?
23:03 <epsy> use make to retrieve wrtl's php client
23:03 <luke-jr> eg, branch to LP then delete the original?
23:04 <luke-jr> BabyBug: yes
23:04 <luke-jr> epsy: there is no makefile
23:04 <PinkTomato> I think I saw that in the SVN?
23:04 <epsy> make one :)
23:04 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yep
23:04 <Lucifer> grrrr
23:04  * Lucifer broke the trunk himself, heh
23:04 <luke-jr> XD
23:05 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I'm in America, but seem to mostly keep a european schedule
23:05 <Lucifer> maybe I should move to europe
23:05 <BabyBug> No don't move to europe
23:06 <BabyBug> or if you do move to east europe
23:06 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: then the days would be funny for you
23:06 <PinkTomato> and you might fal back into the same habit, and end up in aussie time
23:07 <Lucifer> BabyBug: I hear the hottest european babes are in eastern europe
23:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you heard wrong!!
23:07 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: then I should skip to the chase and go straight to oz
23:07 <BabyBug> very very wrong
23:08 <BabyBug> the hottest european babes are in Scotland \o/
23:08 <Lucifer> dlh: it seems to have affected other platforms as well
23:08  * Lucifer pulls, heh
23:12 <Lucifer> BabyBug: well, the hottest american babes tend to have eastern european ancestry, so it's a logical conclusion
23:12 <BabyBug> the hottest american babes are fugly though
23:13 <SageLord> pfft whatever
23:13 <z-man> dlh: oops, I was specifically looking at that initialization code.
23:13  * Lucifer has a crush on a girl from his chem 1 class that has polish ancestry
23:13 <z-man> Did you also make sure the other pointer function always gets initialized?
23:15 <Lucifer> I guess it all boils down to who you think is hotter
23:15 <Lucifer> Nena
23:15 <Lucifer> or
23:15 <Lucifer> Angela Merkyl
23:15 <BabyBug> Who or Who?
23:15 <z-man> ugh
23:15 <z-man> Merkel.
23:15 <akira_arma> NWO forward!
23:16 <Lucifer> heh, sorry
23:16 <Lucifer> wait, you think Merkel's hotter than Nena?
23:16 <akira_arma> sakrozy,merkel,putin,obama they will do it!
23:16  * z-man vanishes in a puff of smoke
23:16 <akira_arma> they will help us all !
23:16 <akira_arma> they will get rid of hunger!
23:16 <akira_arma> of pverty!
23:16 <akira_arma> of
23:17 <Lucifer> puberty?
23:17 <akira_arma> of
23:17 <akira_arma> errr
23:17 <z-man> Internet Trolls?
23:17 <epsy> who's gonna fix our autotools now?
23:17 <Lucifer> conspiracy theorists?
23:17 <akira_arma> tzoo abd thats a fact lucifer
23:17 <Lucifer> hey, if the NWO wants to round up all the nutjobs, I'll go along with that
23:17 <BabyBug> epsy, Lucifer will
23:17 <akira_arma> too bad you are willingly doing their job
23:17 <akira_arma> "their"
23:18 <Lucifer> I'm not rounding up any nutjobs
23:18 <Lucifer> best case, I'm just labeling them for easy targetting by the secret police
23:18 <epsy> @list filter
23:18 <teabot> epsy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
23:18  * epsy wants @windows
23:19 <PinkTomato> @rot1 test
23:19 <teabot> PinkTomato: uftu
23:19 <akira_arma> what has a being doubtful and aware of schemes of the ruling class to do with being a nutjob?
23:19 <akira_arma> i mean its pretty logical that the ruling class wants to preserve its power
23:19 <Lucifer> semi-literate rants about the new world order makes you a nutjob ;)
23:19 <Lucifer> it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's all about how you communicate it
23:20 <akira_arma> i am just exxagerating cause a)
23:20 <akira_arma> i have to make fun of it cause its so sad
23:20 <akira_arma> b) i cant pinpoint exact sentences cause i would write a goddamn essay then
23:20 <akira_arma> which isnt exactly feasible in irc
23:21 <Lucifer> I do it all the time!
23:21  * Lucifer notes that if you want to force all of arma to rebuild, modify tConfiguration.h
23:21 <dlh> z-man: looks like cb is always initialized too
23:22 <epsy>  @spellit is funny :P
23:22 <Lucifer> @spellit
23:22 <teabot> Lucifer: (spellit <text>) -- Returns <text>, phonetically spelled out.
23:22 <Lucifer> @spellit nutjob
23:22 <teabot> Lucifer:  en you tee jay oh bee
23:23 <Lucifer> ok, here we go again for the autopackage
23:23  * Lucifer crosses his fingers
23:23 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it still fails to compile!
23:23  * PinkTomato crosses theirs too for extra hope
23:23 <BabyBug> i bet you it fails!
23:23 <BabyBug> And i'm going to say because of something to do with ruby
23:23  * PinkTomato even harder to avoid the aura of lack of faith from BabyBug
23:23 <z-man> dlh: right, the base constructor takes care of that.
23:24 <Lucifer> z-man and dlh, any objections to more or less completely disabling ruby for 0.3.1?
23:24 <z-man> nope.
23:25  * Lucifer wants to revisit build systems
23:25  * Lucifer is having a hard time believing any project of significant size could work with autotools without going slowly crazy
23:26 <z-man> Well, it's great for small and medium sized projects.
23:26 <z-man> Also, it's not size, it's complexity :)
23:26 <Lucifer> heh
23:26 <z-man> It handles tons of source just fine, but the non-source stuff gets problematic.
23:26 <z-man> That and external dependencies.
23:26 <Lucifer> it's going to take me a little bit to get back up to speed with the build system, if I ever was up to speed with it, at least
23:27 <Lucifer> yeah, that configure script is just damned useful
23:27 <Lucifer> I almost want to just keep that and make a bunch of SCons.in files ;)
23:27 <Corn> Im downloading a compiler is there a specific one that i should download? or does it not matter.
23:27  * z-man is building the dedicated servers for the IV games now exclusively with auto*
23:27 <epsy> Corn, GCC ?
23:28 <z-man> Lucifer: that's an idea there.
23:28 <Corn> gnu compiler collection?
23:28 <z-man> Corn: that's the one.
23:28 <Lucifer> there are no other compilers, there is only gcc
23:28 <Corn> j
23:28 <Corn> k*
23:29 <epsy> doesn't cmake handle dependency checking?
23:29 <z-man> wasn't cmake an abomination?
23:29 <Lucifer> at this point I doubt there's anything that's as good as autoconf for that
23:29 <epsy> Lucifer, "others are [..]" ?
23:29 <Lucifer> much as I dislike working on configure.ac
23:29 <Corn> should i download 4.3.2
23:29 <epsy> well, KDE is an abomination as well, isn't it ? :)
23:29 <PinkTomato> ./configure dosen't check for bison
23:29 <Lucifer> scons has something like it, but you have to write all your own tests pretty much ;)
23:29 <z-man> we could clean it up at some point.
23:29 <epsy> Corn, sounds right
23:30 <z-man> Part of it checks for completely obsolete stuff
23:30 <Corn> ok
23:30 <Lucifer> heh, true, most of our configure.ac mess is our own fault
23:30 <z-man> "let's see if we're using SDL_Image 1.0"
23:30 <luke-jr> does wrtl's PHP client exist in the bzr world?
23:30 <Lucifer> yeah, you know, maybe we should do a big build system cleanup before talking about other build systems anyway
23:31 -!- The_Master [n=master@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster] has joined #armagetron
23:31 <epsy> luke-jr, not unless you use bzr-svn, no
23:31 -!- The_Master [n=master@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:31 <Lucifer> it would be nice, imo, to go with more recursion in teh build
23:31 <Lucifer> you know, Makefile.am for each subdirectory
23:31 <z-man> Err, no.
23:31 <Lucifer> heh
23:31 <Lucifer> "But it's already slow enough!"
23:32 <z-man> It's slow because each .cpp includes tons of headers.
23:32 <Lucifer> how about Makefile.inc in each subdirectory, and then Makefile.am just includes them?  (the one in src)
23:32 <z-man> The build system is pretty much irrelevant right now. We could use one written in bash and it wouldn't slow us down.
23:32 <z-man> Yeah, the include path would work.
23:33 <epsy> talking about includes we should really start trimming them into '#include "tools.h"' or something..
23:33 <z-man> It's a bit unituitive, though, because the makefiles need to know from where they're included to get their paths right.
23:33  * Lucifer isn't going to do any of that right now, just try to get an autopackage built
23:33 <Lucifer> hmmm, that's true....
23:33 <BabyBug> Lucifer, does that mean it failed? x)
23:33 <Lucifer> BabyBug: no, still building
23:33 <z-man> epsy: and make them include even more headers?
23:33 <BabyBug> hrmph
23:33 <epsy> basically, yes
23:34 <Lucifer> what about precompiled headers?
23:34 <luke-jr> can I delete a +junk branch?
23:34 <epsy> luke-jr, the red button next to the title at launchpad
23:34 <z-man> do precompiled headers work proplerly now?
23:34  * Lucifer wonders what it takes to use precompiled headers
23:34 <epsy> luke-jr, actually, you can delete any branch
23:34 <Lucifer> beats me
23:34 <Lucifer> wait, you mean they didn't work properly after apple implemented it?
23:35 <luke-jr> gcc some.h
23:35 <Lucifer> but...apple has the world's most elite coders!
23:35 <z-man> Last time I checked was with a late 4.0 beta.
23:35 <luke-jr> epsy: I don't see it
23:35 <z-man> so really a while ago.
23:35 <Lucifer> google must know the answer
23:35 <luke-jr> oh
23:35 <luke-jr> foudn it
23:35 <luke-jr> XD
23:35 <epsy> hehe yeah it's small
23:36 <z-man> So yeah, if precompiled headers work, it wouln't hurt to use them for our big headers that are included from anywhere anyway.
23:36 <z-man> Not for every header.
23:36 <z-man> That just makes every build into a full rebuild, which doesn't really serve the purpose of speeding stuff up :)
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23:39 <epsy> darn, um..
23:39 <Lucifer> according to the docs, gcc supports them just fine, but automake doesn't
23:41 <Lucifer> we could pull it off, I'll bet
23:41 <Lucifer> make a rule to build the precompiled headers, then list them in a particular sources variable
23:41 <z-man> Ooh, excelent. Five new Michael Caine movies on the VDR waiting at home.
23:42 <z-man> I wonder whether I should download them to here.
23:43 <z-man> Yeah, it should be possible to hack something together for the headers.
23:44 <z-man> Of course, some of those movies only have him in a supporting role, but I want to see them anyway and use Caine as a hook for my wife :)
23:45 <z-man> Like Batman Begins, for example.
23:45 <Lucifer> didn't he play the dad in Elf?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: feel free to move the php client to bzr
23:45 <wrtlprnft> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
23:45 <z-man> Elf?
23:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
23:46 <wrtlprnft> #hostmask add epsy epsy!n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy
23:46 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:46 <wrtlprnft> epsy: done.
23:46 <Lucifer> nvm, that's james caan
23:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, thanks :)
23:49  * BabyBug throws a party for epsy 
23:49 -!- CruZ [n=cruzer@p57AF427B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
23:49 <Corn> Michael Caine was in bewitched wasnt he?
23:49 <Lucifer> well, the autopackage is proceeding nicely
23:49 <Lucifer> BabyBug: :P
23:49 <BabyBug> Lucifer, psssssssh
23:50 <BabyBug> It'll fair
23:50 <BabyBug> fail*
23:50 <BabyBug> fail ><
23:50 <PinkTomato> autopackage sounds very slow...
23:50  * BabyBug votes for .debs!
23:51 <Lucifer> er, is the autopackage not named for the server?
23:52 <z-man> Corn: yes, I think, as a sort of teacher/old master guy. He often is :)
23:52 <Lucifer> oh, it built the client first
23:52 <PinkTomato> so the client built :D?
23:52 <PinkTomato> does that mean I win?
23:52 <epsy> right, I still have --versioninfo left to do
23:53 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/armagetronad-0.3_alpha20090103.i486-generic-linux-gnu.package
23:53 <Lucifer> well, the server is building right now
23:53 <Lucifer> also, no guarantees the client will actually run :)
23:53 <PinkTomato> that should succeed right?
23:53 <Lucifer> theoretically
23:53 <Lucifer> be prepared to back it out if it doesn't work, heh
23:53 <BabyBug> do you need to remove the older version first?
23:54 <PinkTomato> how do I install .package? and how do I unistall old source compiled?
23:54 <Lucifer> chmod uga+x *.package
23:54 <Lucifer> ./armagetronadyadayada.package -t
23:54 <Lucifer> then follow the instructions
23:54 <PinkTomato> ah that's easy
23:55 <Lucifer> install it to your home directory, for sure
23:55 <Lucifer> if it doesn't clean up for some reason, you'll do less damage that way :)
23:55 <PinkTomato> it'll let me do a prefix?
23:55 <PinkTomato> oh
23:55 <PinkTomato> I think I done this before
23:55 <Lucifer> BabyBug: afaik, no
23:55 <Lucifer> I don't think so, but it may
23:55 <BabyBug> kk
23:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you need faster internetz
23:57 <Lucifer> sorry
23:57 <Lucifer> maybe I should pause my torrents
23:57 <BabyBug> >< lol
23:57 <PinkTomato> how fast BabyBug? surely nearly done?
23:57 <BabyBug> 50 seconds left
23:58 <PinkTomato> It would take longer than that to mirror it
23:58 <PinkTomato> um, it didn't ask where I wanted to put it
23:58 <PinkTomato> It was nice though
23:59 <PinkTomato> bad news lucifer
23:59 <Lucifer> doesn't work?
23:59 <epsy> crap crap crapp...
23:59 <Corn> can winrar decompress tar files?
23:59 <epsy> Maybe?
23:59 <PinkTomato> ... hmm... it was only a 404 on resource

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