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Log from 2009-01-02:
--- Day changed Fri Jan 02 2009
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00:12 <PinkTomato> #later tell wrtlprnft The latest 0.2.8 has been fixed, server crashing was due to a vote poll bug :).
00:12 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
00:12 <PinkTomato> Thanks armabot ;)
00:13 <epsy> #whoami
00:13 <@armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
00:13 <epsy> hrm
00:13 <PinkTomato> what about me armabot?
00:13 <epsy> #notes wrtlprnft
00:13 <PinkTomato> #whoami
00:13 <@armabot> epsy: Sent 1 minute ago: <PinkTomato> The latest 0.2.8 has been fixed, server crashing was due to a vote poll bug :).
00:13 <@armabot> PinkTomato: I don't recognize you.
00:14 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft can you link n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy as hostmask to my account on armabot?
00:14 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
00:27 <teabot> tstnews: TST 2009.01 <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/tst-200901/> || DurkLord & SageKa win the TST 2008.11 <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/durklord-sageka-win-the-tst-200811/> || Final challenge board is up! <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/final-challenge-board-is-up/> || Final rules and settings <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/final-rules-and-settings/> || Registration is open! <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/registration-is-open/> || Seco
00:28 <epsy> and yeah, there's TST 2009.01 soon
00:28 <epsy> stupid bot
00:33 <PinkTomato> woo! :D
00:34 <PinkTomato> Can I be team 30?
00:34 <PinkTomato> they have already won the tournament
00:34 <epsy> darn, that was announced since december 25th..none seen it :(
00:34 <epsy> heh
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02:06 <teabot> armablah: Open Source Software <http://mobile-trickz.blogspot.com/2008/11/open-source-software.html>
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02:42 <PinkTomato> .ubuntu
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02:51 <ct|kyle> #ubuntu
02:51 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
02:51 <ct|kyle> #help ubuntu
02:51 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (ubuntu <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config".
02:51 <ct|kyle> .alias add ubuntu echo sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
03:01 <ct|kyle> #tea
03:01 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
03:02 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft you should have armabot use /remove instead of /kick(prevents autorejoining). To do so, replace all occurences of KICK(with caps) from ircmsgs.py with REMOVE :)
03:02 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
03:02 <PinkTomato> wrtlprnft has lots of messages today..
03:02 <ct|kyle> ya
03:03 <epsy> not only today
03:03 <PinkTomato> true ;)
03:03 <ct|kyle> btw he logs is does not need #later tell to tell him
03:03 <epsy> well, better have both, huh? :)
03:03 <ct|kyle> at lest that is what he told me a while back
03:04 <epsy> right, time for trolling on buildtagging
03:04 <ct|kyle> why TST end of this month
03:04 <ct|kyle> when ladle is always first sunday
03:05 <epsy> was planned since november already
03:05 <epsy> announced on xmas
03:05 <ct|kyle> it was? where?
03:05 <epsy> http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/durklord-sageka-win-the-tst-200811/
03:05 <epsy> http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/tst-200901/
03:10 <ct|kyle> epsy: ok then i agree with you on 1 week later for ladle
03:10 <ct|kyle> i now remember seeing your anouncement
03:19 <epsy> Lucifer, ping
03:21 <epsy> erm, crap
03:22 <epsy> polish.txt is wrongly encoded..it has ^Ms everywhere
03:26 <PinkTomato> epsy: I think the orginal encoding is Windows-1250
03:27 <epsy> yeah, but it is written as utf8..hm
03:28 <epsy> now I don't know if what I have is correct
03:29 <PinkTomato> those characters are invalid for arma though?
03:29 <epsy> I don't know, but they show up wrongly in vim
03:31 <epsy> I wonder what the diff will be like
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04:57 <smoothice> #si _=VcL.Sumo Server Dallas
04:57 <@armabot> smoothice: -=VcL.Sumo Server Dallas: Players (0/10):
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05:17 <ivantis2> armabot? op? #armagetron?
05:17 <ivantis2> daaahh...................................
05:17 <ivantis2> #r
05:17 <@armabot> ivantis2: (roulette [spin] ) -- Fires the revolver. If the (2 more messages)
05:18 <ivantis2> #more
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin (1 more message)
05:18 <ivantis2> #more
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: the chambers and I will.
05:18 <ivantis2> #r spin
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: (roulette [spin] ) -- Fires the revolver. If the (2 more messages)
05:18 <ivantis2> ??
05:18 <ivantis2> #help r
05:18 <@armabot> ivantis2: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "c (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.".
05:19 <ivantis2> #alias add r roulette
05:19 <@armabot> ivantis2: The operation succeeded.
05:19 <ivantis2> #r
05:19 -!- ivantis2 was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
05:19  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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05:19 <ivantis2> naice one
05:19 <ivantis2> #r
05:19 <@armabot> ivantis2: *click*
05:21 <smoothice> ivantis2: what the??
05:21 <smoothice> ivantis2: lol
05:26 <Lucifer> yay, star trek is finally downloaded :)
05:26 <ivantis2> star trek? *pointing at Lucifer* nerd
05:27 <Lucifer> holy shit, I've just been called a nerd by a 13-year old in IRC
05:27 <ivantis2> hey! i am 14
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05:28 <ivantis2> have you ever been to wichita kansas? this place is soooooooooo booooooooorring
05:28 <ivantis2> nothing better than irc
05:28 <ivantis2> so glad i go back home tomorrow
05:29 <ivantis2> if you will notice, i dont spend as much time online as i used to
05:29 <ivantis2> recently
05:29 <Lucifer> then why is there "ivantis", "ivantis2", and "ivantis3" in here?
05:29 <Lucifer> for every second I'm here, you're here for 3 seconds
05:30 <ivantis2> those are merely... uh... other people?
05:31 <ivantis2> yeah, they arent me. why, similar names, its not like smoothbot, smoothbot` and smoothice are the same people?
05:31 <Lucifer> heh, so it's like that, eh?
05:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
05:31 <ivantis2> ha, i see a mibbit ad: ThinkGeek - Gadgets, geek stuff, cool T-shirts! Get yours here.
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05:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
05:32 <Lucifer> smoothice: why do you have two bots here?
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05:32 <ivantis2> what happened to them?
05:32 <ivantis2> dude unban them
05:32 <ivantis2> they didnt do anything
05:32 <Lucifer> smoothice: ok, now why do you have three bots here?
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05:33 <Lucifer> ivantis2: an important part of growing up is learning not to give people commands
05:33 <smoothice_> lol
05:34 <ivantis2> okay, "maybe you should think about unbanning them (or whatever), i didnt see them do anything"
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05:34 <ivantis2> maybe
05:34 <ivantis> ivantis2, just fucking leave. you are really pissing me off
05:34 <Lucifer> I don't make decisions based on waht you see
05:35  * Lucifer will remove them both if they start arguing, since that's just pathetic
05:35 <ivantis2> dude, what did he just say to me?
05:35 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
05:35 <ivantis2> now i am pissed with you!
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05:35 <smoothice_> Lucifer
05:36 <smoothice_> Can you kick the rest of my instances?
05:36 <@Lucifer> smoothice_
05:36 <smoothice_> I had internet problems
05:36 <ivantis> ah good he left
05:36 <@Lucifer> haha
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05:36 <smoothice_> I'll get the names right in a bit
05:36 <smoothice_> thanks
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05:36 <smoothice_> k
05:36 <smoothice_> thanks
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05:36 <ivantis> dude wtf?
05:37 <@Lucifer> "dude wtf"?
05:37 <ivantis> "\"dude wtf\""?
05:37 <@Lucifer> how do you keep getting removed and you still come back?  want me ot use bigger bullets, or can you get the idea for awhile?
05:37 <ivantis> …
05:37 <ivantis> why should i be removed?
05:37 <@Lucifer> because half the time when someone pings me, it's to deal with you spamming or doing something in this channel
05:38 <@Lucifer> and that's all the explanation you're getting
05:38 <ivantis> really?
05:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@*.245.159.78] by Lucifer
05:38 -!- ivantis was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [Lucifer]
05:38 <@Lucifer> yes, really
05:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
05:39 <smoothice_> how do I change my nick/
05:39 <smoothice_> to "smoothice"
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05:54 <Lucifer>  /nick smoothice
05:57 <smoothice> ok
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06:02 <not_ivantis> *whistle* just minding my own business
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06:08 <smoothice> Lucifer: Why so harsh?
06:09 <@Lucifer> well, originally I wanted him to just go away with his three ivantises for awhile
06:09 <@Lucifer> he usually causes problems when other people are here, after all :)
06:09 <@Lucifer> but he didn't take the hint and just stay away for awhile, and that's Troublemaking with a capital T
06:10 <@Lucifer> I wish irc had the same kick/timeout to return feature that arma has
06:13 <luke-jr> Lucifer: can we get a string freeze on 0.2.8 plox?
06:14 <@Lucifer> ask z-man for that
06:14  * Lucifer is currently burning ST:TNG episode to disc
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06:33 <smoothice> Right....?
06:33 <smoothice> Europe-US comm break/
06:33 <smoothice> ?
06:33 <@Lucifer> looks like it
06:33 <smoothice> No notice yet...
06:33 <hang3r> wb to hell, since you were gone....
06:34 <hang3r> there have been a few changes
06:34 <hang3r> noteably, I am now lead developer of armagetron
06:34 <smoothice> ??
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06:34 <@Lucifer> he couldn't handle it and left
06:35 <hang3r> :)
06:36 <luke-jr> lol
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09:43 <@Lucifer> haha, started another 13GB download
09:53 <wrtlprnft> #later tell pinktomato thanks for the info, upgrade in progress
09:53 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:00 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy done… at least till the next supybot upgrade.
10:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:38 <guru3> i died :<
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10:46 <@Lucifer> yes, you did
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11:03 <hang3r> those sumo players have to be all on drugs
11:04 <hang3r> theres no way you can pull off the moves that they do with the precision that they have....
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11:36 <Lizmatic> yes, we are on drugs
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11:45 <@Lucifer> hang3r: your problem is that your drug is alcohol.
11:45 <@Lucifer> sober people can do what those sumo  people do :)
11:46 <@Lucifer> it's physically impossible for drugs to improve you, all they can do is trigger abilities you already have
11:46 <@Lucifer> and mess you up, of course
11:49 <Lizmatic> don't listen to Lucifer, BECOME A JUNKIE
11:50 <@Lucifer> don't listen to Lizmatic, she's just a kid
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12:06 <Lizmatic> tell that to my kid
12:06 <Lizmatic> xD
12:19 <@Lucifer> heh, there's a world of difference between being a biological adult and being a grownup
12:19 <@Lucifer> if you don't believe me, meet my ex-wife
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12:49 <hang3r> fuck it, I actually care very little, most of the people in my industry are piss heads, it's the lifestyle that my sector chooses, mainly stressfull and shitty...
12:50 <@Lucifer> I think TWG would be cool as a party game
12:50 <@Lucifer> like those murder mystery games, only do TWG instead
12:51 <@Lucifer> every half hour or so you have to vote  ;)
12:51 <hang3r> TWG?
12:51 <@Lucifer> yeah, twg
12:51 <hang3r> Never heard of it
13:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually that might be an idea
13:09 <@Lucifer> heh, I'm writing an email to my divorce support group to see if anybody's interested :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> but how do the wolves vote?
13:09 <@Lucifer> of course, that group is hard to get anything organized with because everybody's got kids and stuff
13:09 <@Lucifer> that's the only thing I'm having trouble working out
13:09 <@Lucifer> on the forums, there's built in ways to privately communicate with the GM
13:09 <wrtlprnft> if anyone else wants to take her?
13:09 <@Lucifer> but in a party....
13:09 <wrtlprnft> exactly
13:10 <@Lucifer> it might work out, especially if you make everyone a special
13:10 <@Lucifer> if everyone has a special power, then everyone has to give the GM a piece of paper saying what they do with it
13:11 <PinkTomato> PM exist in real life, called text messaging ;) < though makes the game a little cheesy.
13:11 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: requires everyone to have a cell phone
13:11 <@Lucifer> also, requires everyone who has to PM to find a private place to do so
13:11 <@Lucifer> of course, they'd have to already for special powers
13:12 <PinkTomato> well a small bit of paper and a pen is a low tech solution :)
13:16 <wrtlprnft> communication between wolves is still sort of limited
13:16 <wrtlprnft> regular players will spend far less time writing private messages to the gm
13:17 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: people might still see it, which is why the idea of having everybody have special powers of some sort would work
13:17 <@Lucifer> well, in my experience, in the game already people collect into smaller groups in various private places
13:17 <@Lucifer> they create alliances, communicate, etc.
13:18 <@Lucifer> that's the part that makes it an appealing party game to me, provided it's in a location that's big enough to accomodate that stuff
13:21 <hang3r> lucifer, whats a good sound mixer for linux? Basically what I want to to is mix multiple sounds and output it as a wav or ogg
13:21 <@Lucifer> I use ecasound for quick mixes, audacity for stuff that requires processing
13:22 <hang3r> ecasound sounds good, i only need something quick and simple
13:22 <@Lucifer> it's commandline :)
13:22 <@Lucifer> which is why it's so useful for quick mixes
13:22 <hang3r> awesome
13:23 <PinkTomato> how do you mix in a command line?
13:23 <@Lucifer> you use ecasound, heh
13:23 <PinkTomato> ah right, missed the processing bit :)
13:24 <PinkTomato> so its just to overlap audio over, or add afile after?
13:24 <@Lucifer> well, mixing is a very basic processing, but it's nto something that can be done with cat or something
13:24 <@Lucifer> oh no, ecasound is a full-featured effects processor/mastering program
13:24 <hang3r> thanks Lucifer ecasound does exactly what I want
13:24 <@Lucifer> it's commandline, though, which for me makes it hard to use for actually mastering a song
13:25 <@Lucifer> but some people use it that way, particularly the author, iirc
13:25 <PinkTomato> I suppose, its the audio you want anyway
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15:00 <epsy> #whoami
15:00 <armabot> epsy: I don't recognize you.
15:00 <epsy> :|
15:18 <PinkTomato> \whoami
15:18 <PinkTomato> #whoami
15:18 <armabot> PinkTomato: PinkTomato
15:33 <P4> #whois PinkTomato
15:33 <P4> :þ
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15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8691 to 8719:
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15:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Oops, fixed non-krawall compilation.
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15:54 <epsy> hello
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16:48 <BabyBug> \o
16:48 <@Lucifer> ,\o ?
16:49 <BabyBug> it's a person waving
16:49 <@Lucifer> oh, I thought you were showing us your underarm
16:49 <BabyBug> ...
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16:49 <@Lucifer> I guess we both had the same basic gesture in mind :)
16:49 <PinkTomato> welcome back Corn :)
16:49 <Corn> hey guys
16:49  * BabyBug slaps Lucifer 
16:49 <BabyBug> Hey Corn
16:49  * Lucifer slaps BabyBug
16:50 <Corn> slap fight!
16:50  * Lucifer slaps Corn
16:50  * BabyBug straps Lucifer to a bed, slaps him and runs off
16:50 <Corn> ow...
16:50 <Corn> man
16:50  * Lucifer burns the straps off with his awesome powers, then blasts BabyBug with a giant burning fish.
16:50  * Corn backslaps Lucifer
16:50 <Corn> I'll slap slap slap yopu
16:50 <Corn> you*
16:50  * BabyBug throws Lucifer into the mouth of God
16:51  * PinkTomato slaps but misses
16:51  * Lucifer rips Corn's balls off, puts them in his slingshot, and fires them at BabyBug
16:51  * BabyBug replaces Lucifers eyes with his balls, and his balls with his eyes!!
16:51 <Corn> I've got balls of steel!
16:51 <@Lucifer> oh, well, ok then
16:52  * Lucifer rips Corn's balls off, puts them in his muzzle-loading musket, and fires them at BabyBug
16:52 <BabyBug> ><
16:52 <Corn> I think thats the only time anyone has included both ripping balls off and a musket in a sentence
16:53 <BabyBug> What's a musket?
16:53 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: it's a firearm
16:53 <Corn> Its what lucifer calls his...
16:53 <@Lucifer> hey, I finally tested some of my black powder
16:54 <BabyBug> black powder?
16:54 <Corn> If by black powder you mean...
16:54 <@Lucifer> black powder
16:54 <@Lucifer> you know, charcoal, KNO3, and sulfur
16:54 <@Lucifer> put some on your dick and light a match
16:54 <Corn> arousing
16:55 <BabyBug> Lucifer, are you into hardcore bondage?
16:55 <@Lucifer> I melted one of my rockets, instead of blowing out the nosecone
16:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: no, I just like saying things that make people wince
16:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: why, are you?
16:55 <BabyBug> Nice cover story
16:55 <BabyBug> and No =P
16:56 <BabyBug> softcore aye but nay hardcore
16:57 <Corn> Is it just me or do altoids taste extremely similar to tic-tacs
16:57 <@Lucifer> so spanking, but not nipple binding?
16:59 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yup
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17:00 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: so, a little boob-squeezing, but no whips?
17:00 <Corn> A little look but no touch
17:00 <@Lucifer> how about fisting?
17:01 <BabyBug> a little "boob-squeezing" doesn't even count as softcore bondage =P
17:01 <Corn> how about pop rockets?
17:01 <@Lucifer> it is when I'm squeezing :)
17:01 <BabyBug> fisting is fine
17:01 <PinkTomato> pop rockets?
17:01 <BabyBug> LOL Lucifer
17:03 <Corn> how about rape?
17:03 <@Lucifer> nobody wants to be raped....
17:03 <BabyBug> Corn, That's called rape, not bondage.
17:03 <@Lucifer> how about force fantasies?
17:03 <BabyBug> And if someone wants to be raped...it's not raped
17:04 <BabyBug> force fantasies are ok
17:04 <Corn> wtf is the difference between forcing sex and rape
17:04 <@Lucifer> safe words :)
17:04 <@Lucifer> special words that mean "stop right now"
17:04 <Corn> penguin
17:04  * Lucifer continues to force Corn.  "You didn't say the right word!"
17:05 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what ever happened to keeping this channel clean? Shame on you!
17:05 <@Lucifer> heh, didn't I mention I was sick?
17:05 <BabyBug> ahhhh =(
17:05 <PinkTomato> get well soon :)
17:06 <BabyBug> Oh you did mention! I was lurking at the time
17:06  * BabyBug remembers now
17:06  * Lucifer sneezes
17:06 <BabyBug> ewwwww look away from me when you do that
17:07 <@Lucifer> ooo, I wonder if there's a porn site that specializes in sneezing on naked chicks
17:07  * BabyBug face palms
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17:08 <@Lucifer> hey, this lets me give an xkcd link, soon as I find it
17:09  * BabyBug really can't grasp the fascination with xkcd
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17:12 <@Lucifer> http://www.xkcd.com/305/
17:12 <@Lucifer> I wasn't an xkcd fan until I met a hot chick who was an xkcd fan
17:12 <@Lucifer> now I don't know the chick, but I know the comic
17:12 <@Lucifer> (well, knew it already, but you know....)
17:13 <BabyBug> I just don't find that funny in the slightest..
17:14 <@Lucifer> that one isn't, I just linked it because it's what I was thinking when I made the sneeze comment
17:14 <BabyBug> heh
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17:14 <BabyBug> www.snotshag.com \o/
17:15 <PinkTomato> is that a real link?
17:15 <BabyBug> no idea
17:15 <BabyBug> try clicking it
17:15 <BabyBug> lol
17:15 <PinkTomato> Ah its not, (but I did turn images off first ;))
17:16 <@Lucifer> like I'm really going to click a link some crazy lady in irc gave me
17:16 <@Lucifer> ooo, I should hurry up and register it
17:16 <BabyBug> crazy lady?!?!
17:16 <PinkTomato> Does the internet really need  a website involving naked women sneezed upon?
17:17 <Corn> rule 34 on crazy lady in irc
17:17 <BabyBug> I'm not the crazy one!
17:17 <Corn> You're right.
17:17 <BabyBug> \o/
17:22 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: there's more than one crazy person here...
17:23 <BabyBug> But only one crazy lady
17:23 <BabyBug> Which isn't me Lucifer!
17:23 <BabyBug> Or at least tell me why! =P
17:23 <@Lucifer> eh?  You never heard of catch-22?
17:23 <BabyBug> yeh....don't get it
17:24 <@Lucifer> if you say you're crazy, you're obviously not, so you have to fly more missions
17:24 <@Lucifer> but if you say you're not crazy, you must be telling the truth, so you have to fly more missions
17:24 <@Lucifer> (it's a book about bomber pilots in WW2)
17:24  * BabyBug is not a bomber pilot
17:25 <@Lucifer> all women are bomber pilots
17:25 <@Lucifer> considering how they like to drop bomb shells all around them ;)
17:26  * Lucifer is in the "over-generalize about women based on his psycho ex-wife" stage of divorce recovery right now
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17:30 <BabyBug> haha
17:31 <BabyBug> At least our bombs don't have a short fuse ;)
17:31 <@Lucifer> maybe not, but they have a much bigger payload
17:32 <BabyBug> That's only IF the guy can actually get the bomb to go off =P
17:34 <@Lucifer> ah, you're back in the dirty channel, I see
17:34 <@Lucifer> and here I thought we'd moved on from that...
17:34 <BabyBug> i wasn't aware i left? =P
17:34 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/457/
17:35 <@Lucifer> heh, I liked that one when it was first out, but I showed it to my then-wife
17:35 <@Lucifer> she was really mad at me for looking at it, I still don't understand why
17:35 <@Lucifer> maybe BabyBug (hi there!) can explain it?
17:36 <BabyBug> lol newp i found that quite funny actually lol
17:36 <@Lucifer> heh, when I was a teenager, I could unhook one of those with one hand
17:37 <@Lucifer> somewhere along the ways, I lost the talent
17:38 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/105/
17:39 <BabyBug> i don't get it
17:40 <BabyBug> and as long as you can still undo em you're safe! One guy couldn't even realise my bra unclipped at the front and not the back ><
17:40 <BabyBug> he may of been drunk but that's still no excuse!
17:40 <@Lucifer> how long was he working at it, and did he get to see it?
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17:41 <@Lucifer> I had a similar problem with my ex, back before we were married, but I was working it under the shirt
17:41 <@Lucifer> of course, she only let me have about 20 seconds on the problem before telling me I was stupid for not realizing it unhooked in the front
17:41 <BabyBug> 20 seconds should be plenty ><
17:41 <BabyBug> lmao
17:41 <@Lucifer> so I'd have to know more about the situation before agreeing with you he was dumb...
17:41 <@Lucifer> 20 seconds with the shirt off, I'll grant you shoudl be plenty of time
17:42 <BabyBug> Well it was under the shirt but still he had aggessss
17:42 <@Lucifer> but under the shirt....
17:42 <@Lucifer> I guess it depends on what sort of action happened earlier, because if you're saying 20 seconds from the moment the hand first goes under the shirt, I disagree
17:42 <@Lucifer> but if the hand had already been under the shirt for a time, then he should've discovered it already :)
17:43 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/427/
17:43 <Corn> that one aint bad
17:43 <@Lucifer> but that's ok, because I haven't yet seen a woman who could undo my pants
17:43 <BabyBug> he must of had a minute surely....
17:43 <BabyBug> It was long enough for me to get bored and he never got any that night..
17:43 <BabyBug> shit kisser anyway
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17:46 <PinkTomato> http://xkcd.com/327/ I always liked the little bobby tables one :)
17:48 <Corn> i dont know shit about programming so that one doesnt make sense
17:48 <@Lucifer> I loved the bobby tables one, heh
17:48 <smoothice> oooh
17:49 <smoothice> lol
17:50 <PinkTomato> Corn: its not programming as such ;)
17:50 <Corn> i still dont get it..
17:50 <BabyBug> SQL injection \o/
17:51 <PinkTomato> i should learn how to test that
17:51 <BabyBug> lol
17:51 <PinkTomato> is there a website showing common php mistakes?
17:51 <BabyBug> Here's a common php mistake: Using PHP instead of Python
17:51 <PinkTomato> hehe, but then I would have to learn python!
17:52 <PinkTomato> php is slow admittably
17:52 <BabyBug> If i learned it anyone can learn it!
17:52 <PinkTomato> i'll look into it, quite a few people have commented on it
17:53 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/353/
17:53 <BabyBug> ^^
17:54 <@Lucifer> honestly, I didn't see the conversation when I pasted that link
17:54 <BabyBug> haha
17:54 <@Lucifer> <3 python
17:54 <BabyBug> <3 python
17:54 <Corn> </3 python
17:54 <BabyBug> Corn, you fail
17:54 -!- Corn was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [why don't you love python?]
17:54 <BabyBug> abuse!
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17:54 <Corn> Shot to the heart
17:55 <@Lucifer> as I lay there alone in the dark
17:55  * BabyBug knows python (sort of) but has no idea what to do with it \o/
17:55 <PinkTomato> Does that mean python has no squiggly brackets?
17:55 <BabyBug> Yup PinkTomato
17:55 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: write a script for me :)
17:55 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, whitespace replaces curly brackets
17:55 <@Lucifer> no squiggly brackets, you have to actually indent your code
17:55 <PinkTomato> ah so you have to be a neat programmer
17:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, what script?
17:56 <@Lucifer> basically, if it's a lazy practice you know you shouldn't be doing, python calls it a syntax error
17:56 <Corn> curse you syntax
17:56 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I need a script that parses a file in freeciv and outputs C code :)
17:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't know any C code =P
17:56 <@Lucifer> I'll write the C code, but I don't want to write the python script ;)
17:56 <BabyBug> Uhhh
17:56 <BabyBug> I'm confused by what you mean =P
17:56 <@Lucifer> I know, that's sorta backwards, isn't it?
17:57 <@Lucifer> the file is a text file the describes network packets, and I want the script to read it and write a file that contains functions to serialize/unserialize the packets to/from structs to/from the network
17:58 <BabyBug> still confused xD
17:58 <@Lucifer> hmmmm
17:58 <@Lucifer> have you ever worked with a static typed language at all?
17:58 <BabyBug> upload the file for me to see!
17:58 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/418/
17:58 <BabyBug> No never...I only learned python cause i was bored
17:59 <Corn> I think i'll learn python once i switch over to ubuntu
17:59 <BabyBug> (What's a static typed language?)
17:59 <epsy> erm, bison anyone?
18:00 <epsy> @g bison
18:00 <teabot> epsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison - American Bison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
18:00 <@Lucifer> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/freeciv/trunk/common/packets.def?rev=15388&view=markup
18:00 <epsy> @g gnu bison
18:00 <teabot> epsy: http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/ - Bison - GNU parser generator
18:00 <@Lucifer> well, python is dynamic typed, meaning you can create a variable of any type at any time
18:01 <@Lucifer> static typed means you ahve to define your variables before you use them
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18:01 <BabyBug> i see
18:01 <@Lucifer> a compiler needs to know this information when it compiles your sources to binary
18:01 <@Lucifer> so if it's an integer, you have to say it's an integer before you can use it, and if you try to assign any value that's not an integer, you get a compiler error
18:01 <@Lucifer> but in python (and other dynamic type languages), you can do this:
18:01 <@Lucifer> a = 0.0
18:01 <@Lucifer> a = "hi there"
18:02 <PinkTomato> oh like java?
18:02 <@Lucifer> those two lines would cause an error in a static typed language
18:02 <Corn> 0.0 looks like a smiley face
18:02 <BabyBug> Well i understand that...However..what you want is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my depth xD
18:02 <@Lucifer> heh, oh hell
18:02 <@Lucifer> have you worked with the python struct module?
18:02 <epsy> still, it's a bad practise to assign data of different types to the same name
18:02 <BabyBug> Lucifer, nope
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18:03 <Corn> Wait, lucifer would putting the a = "hi there" first still cause an error
18:03 <Corn> because you already defined a
18:03 <epsy> as a float
18:03 <@Lucifer> Corn: it depends on what you defined a as
18:03 <@Lucifer> if you had float a;, then yes
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18:03 <@Lucifer> but if you had char* a; then no
18:03 <Corn> interesting..
18:04 <@Lucifer> but if you had int a, then both lines would cause an error :)
18:04 <Corn> mhmmm mhmmm
18:04 <PinkTomato> but char*a would not be a valid number to do a + b though?
18:04 <epsy> or only the first one, if you use armabot  crappy compiler
18:04 <epsy> what?
18:04 <epsy> an *
18:04 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: basically, a given variable type takes up a certain amount of space
18:05 <@Lucifer> when you send iit over the network, it has to be put back together a certain way, depending on if your machine is little endian or big endian
18:05 <@Lucifer> but in a real program, a variable that's worth sending over the network is usually more complex than a single type, it's a struct, or a class
18:05 <Corn> http://xkcd.com/207/ i totally do the last one and the 2nd one
18:05 <@Lucifer> so you have to have a particular format for the packet you're sending
18:06 <@Lucifer> you'd use python's struct module to create the packet if you're working solely in python
18:06 <@Lucifer> but I"m working in C++, I want the python script to write a bunch of code so I don't have to write it by hand
18:06 <PinkTomato> Corn: your not alone with the last one ;)
18:06 <BabyBug> oooooo
18:07 <Corn> What code is armagetron writen in?
18:07 <@Lucifer> C++
18:07 <BabyBug> armagetron should be recoded in python!
18:07 <epsy> C++, bash, python, bison, ruby..is that it? :P
18:07 <Corn> k i should probably learn that eventually
18:08 <@Lucifer> epsy: m4
18:08 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: i'ld like to see that :D
18:08 <Corn> Whats with the animal names? originality ftw
18:08 <epsy> oh yeah, let's not forget the autohell
18:08 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, no reason why it can't!
18:08 <@Lucifer> and anything luke-jr has touched is mostly C ;)
18:08 <epsy> haha
18:08 <@Lucifer> xml, but that's not a programming language
18:09 <@Lucifer> (technically neither is m4)
18:09 <BabyBug> Is python actually a programming language?
18:09 <Corn> how about theoretically
18:09 <@Lucifer> yes, python's actually a programming language
18:09  * BabyBug thought it was a scripting language
18:09 <epsy> I'd say scripting, but that's about the same thing
18:09 <BabyBug> ophs
18:09 <@Lucifer> Corn: autoconf is a bastard of m4 and shell scripting
18:10 <@Lucifer> scripting is programming, it just doesn't use a compiler ;)
18:10 <Corn> i have no idea what any of those are except shell
18:10 <epsy> BabyBug, i'd just separate "descripting something" and "giving orders"
18:10 <@Lucifer> m4 is just a macro language
18:10 <@Lucifer> you've used the ./configure script before, right?
18:10 <Corn> me?
18:10 <@Lucifer> er, maybe you're a windows bloke and you've never done ./configure && make && make install
18:11 <@Lucifer> yeah, you, COrn
18:11 <BabyBug> why type make if you're gonna type make install right after? :s
18:11 <Corn> yeah windows... im switch soon though
18:11 <@Lucifer> ah
18:11 <Corn> its too limiting i need to let my free spirit out man
18:11 <epsy> BabyBug, minimizing what's run using superuser mode
18:11 <@Lucifer> over here in linux land, source tarballs come with a script called "configure" which checks the build environment for stuff and sets other things up so the app can be built
18:11 <@Lucifer> it makes it possible to release source packages :)
18:11 <PinkTomato> I thought the make compiles, and the make install, stuffs it where the ./configure says it to go?
18:12 <@Lucifer> recall that Unix was originally distributed as source
18:12 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: configure does a lot of things
18:12 <@Lucifer> checks to see if all the libraries are there to build, checks to make sure it can build, configures the build itself, lots of stuff
18:12 <epsy> mainly, it builds the actual Makefiles
18:12 <epsy> (at least in armagetron)
18:12 <@Lucifer> configure isn't handwritten, it's generated from a file
18:12 <epsy> whichever is better..
18:13 <@Lucifer> epsy: configure always builds the makefiles, but I seem to remember it using a perl script to do it :)
18:13 <PinkTomato> oh yeah, usually have to ./configure about 15 times to grab all the dependinces
18:13 <Corn> How long does python take to learn
18:13 <epsy> Lucifer, not in case one does not use make :)
18:13 <@Lucifer> yeah, well, configure is generated from a file
18:13 <@Lucifer> the program autoconf generates it, from configure.ac
18:13  * BabyBug is randomly hoping if this gets repeated lots, it'll eventually get fixed by someone quicker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/246159
18:13 <teabot> Launchpad bug 246159 in armagetronad "Server browser rendering errors followed by segmentation fault." [High,Confirmed]
18:13 <@Lucifer> configure.ac is a shell script with a bunch of macros in m4 language
18:13 <epsy> BabyBug, merge utf8 to trunk
18:13 <PinkTomato> Corn: depends on whether you know a programming language, I would say
18:14 <@Lucifer> so to write configure.ac, you need to know a little m4, and a little shell scripting, and a lot of autoconf-specific macros
18:14 <BabyBug> epsy, How would one do that? And am i going to get a huge amount of conflicts? =P
18:14 <epsy> yes, you are
18:14 <BabyBug> I doubt i'm capable of doing that then =(
18:15 <PinkTomato> where is the UTF-8 branch?
18:15 <@Lucifer> is the utf8 branch finished, by any chance?
18:15 <epsy> wasn't it pretty much ready, but outdated and prone to conflict?
18:15 <Corn> thank jesus for wikihow
18:15 <epsy> PinkTomato, somewhere in the svn repo
18:16 <BabyBug> How would one try to merge it? :P
18:16 <Corn> what kind of douchebag would write a how to on religion
18:16 <epsy> svn way of bzr-svn way?
18:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: how does mafioso work in the real world?
18:17 <@Lucifer> wtf is mafioso?
18:17 <@Lucifer> you mean the mob?
18:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: IIRC, the GM names each person and the wolves raise hands
18:17 <luke-jr> (non-wolves have their eyes cloed)
18:17 <@Lucifer> er, I've never seen it run in the real world
18:17 <@Lucifer> I've got two takers so far, though
18:17 <@Lucifer> if that's all I get, I'll just direct them to the next arma-forums game ;)
18:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Mafioso is the original game
18:18 <Corn> oh man i love that game; mafia
18:18 <luke-jr> from which the werewolf variant spawned
18:19 <@Lucifer> all google's giving me is a PC game
18:19 <Corn> is python any different in linux as opposed to windows?
18:19 <luke-jr> check wikipedia for 'mafia party game'
18:19 <epsy> Corn, theoretically not
18:19 <BabyBug> .svn
18:19 <BabyBug> @svn
18:19 <luke-jr> Corn: yes, but not significantly
18:19 <epsy> #svn
18:19 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
18:19 <BabyBug> stupid thing
18:19 <luke-jr> IIRC, the differences are all under one OS-specific section
18:20 <epsy> I do not know where the utf8 branch is
18:20 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:20 <BabyBug> ya ya i found that already =P
18:20 <luke-jr> epsy: private/wrtl
18:20 <PinkTomato> hehe
18:20 <luke-jr> or maybe he moved it out
18:21 <epsy> BabyBug, well then svn should probably know what to do, just do svn merge /path/to/branch/to/merge/from
18:21 <@Lucifer> I didn't know it was based on a party game already, haha
18:21 <BabyBug> epsy, so svn trunk is identical to bzr trunk?
18:21 <@Lucifer> there's an idea, though
18:21 <epsy> supposedly
18:21 <@Lucifer> just get everyone back into the same room, have them close their eyes and lower their heads, and have the wolves vote
18:23 <Corn> its like werewolf game without all the special villagers
18:23 <BabyBug> svn co http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:23 <BabyBug> svn: Repository moved temporarily to '/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/'; please relocate
18:23 <Corn> you still lynch people
18:23 <BabyBug> Ummm?
18:23 <PinkTomato>  svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/
18:23 <PinkTomato> sorry, I copy pasted the wrong line ;)
18:23 <BabyBug> ahhhh
18:23 <BabyBug> ty
18:25 <luke-jr> Corn: Mafioso has special roles too
18:25 <luke-jr> anyone want to test TWG on my Arma server?
18:25 <PinkTomato> on an arma server?
18:26 <MrBougo> http://www.sfwchan.com/pics/35341883.jpg
18:26 <BabyBug> hrmm
18:26 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yup
18:26 <BabyBug> epsy, should it actually say anything when i do svn merge?
18:26 <epsy> I don't know, check the svn doc
18:26 <luke-jr> BabyBug: wt_f_ are you doing svn merge for?
18:26 <@Lucifer> yeah, it should insult you while you're doing it
18:26 <BabyBug> luke-jr, bored!
18:26 <@Lucifer> hey, we could restart are earlier conversation, heh
18:27 <BabyBug> which one?
18:27 <epsy> STOP PUSHING ME
18:27 <luke-jr> let's play TWG ☹
18:27 <BabyBug> oh woops i'm a twit
18:29 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: have you got the merge to work :)?
18:29 <PinkTomato> svn documentation is... confusing
18:29 <BabyBug> well i got it to work....I'm confused at the first conflict ='(
18:32 <PinkTomato> :(
18:33 <BabyBug> ok i give up
18:36 <@Lucifer> resolving conflicts is not for the faint of heart
18:37 <@Lucifer> I just had a recruiter tell me they've got a job that's 33 miles away
18:37 <@Lucifer> my clutch would burn out the first week  :(
18:37 <@Lucifer> (and it would be a three hour bicycle commute)
18:37 <@Lucifer> (one way)
18:37 <BabyBug> O.o
18:37 <epsy> does svn prevent conflicts that occur because of double-committing?
18:38  * BabyBug looks at Lucifer for the answer to that
18:38 <epsy> ie. same patch applied on both branches
18:40 <luke-jr> I don't think so.
18:40 <luke-jr> might depend
18:40 <epsy> eww
18:40 <epsy> I might unpack bzr-svn as well, then
18:44 <PinkTomato> svn merge -r4827:6978 ../utf8 < is that correct? it's taking forever
18:44 <epsy> do not know
18:44 <epsy> argh, I don't have bzr-svn installed
18:45 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: what line did you use ?
18:45 <BabyBug> svn merge ../utf8
18:45 <PinkTomato> oh thanks :)
18:45 -!- Lizmatic [n=Lizmatic@78-27-12-206.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #armagetron
18:45 <Lizmatic> o/
18:45 <PinkTomato> o/
18:45 <BabyBug> \o
18:50 <epsy> P4, are striked L ( ł ) common in polish?
18:50 <P4> yes, very common
18:50 <epsy> right
18:51 <P4> read as W in "weed"
18:51 <@Lucifer> wow, I can't say no to that
18:51 <@Lucifer> she's offered to pay me daily until I get things going again
18:51 <@Lucifer> in that case, I have to accept, I need the work :/
18:51 <@Lucifer> (even though I don't want to drive otu to jarrell every day)
18:52 <epsy> P4, it was about this :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/312240
18:52 <teabot> Launchpad bug 312240 in armagetronad "Polish language outdated for 0.2.8.3" [Undecided,Fix committed]
18:52 <epsy> grm, the launchpad staff still didn't fix my comment :S
18:52 <P4> is there a polish language, wiw
18:52 <P4> :)
18:53 <P4> ąęółćńśźż ← those are all of them iirc :þ
18:54 <luke-jr> epsy: btw, why are we asking for UTF-8 language files?
18:54 <luke-jr> aren't we still on Latin-1?
18:54 <epsy> yes, we are
18:55 <epsy> that's what his transliterated version is for
18:55 <luke-jr> …
18:55 <luke-jr> so 0.2.8 shouldn't even have the polish.txt?
18:55 <epsy> only transliterated, I guess
19:00 <luke-jr> not that simple ☹
19:00 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r742 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8691 to 8719:...
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19:12 <P4> who is rafal cieslak? :)
19:12 <epsy> BabyBug, \ [======                                                                                                  ] copying revision  126/2042
19:13 <epsy> BabyBug, zzz
19:13 <BabyBug> epsy, what's that?
19:13 <epsy> bzr..copying revisions
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19:14 <ivantis2> so... am i unbanned yet?
19:15 <BabyBug> ivantis2, you were banned because of ivantis3
19:15 <epsy> the other you or you?
19:15 <BabyBug> (the bot)
19:15 <BabyBug> So you weren't banned...It's just the bot couldn't be banned without you being banned =P
19:15 <epsy> that's what she said
19:17 <BabyBug> epsy, which revisions? i'm confused
19:17 <ivantis2> uh no, Lucifer specifically banned ivantis at home, ivantis3 and ivantis even had different hostnames
19:17 <epsy> bzr co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/utf8/ 0.2.8-utf8-svn
19:17 <BabyBug> ivantis2, it was guru, not lucifer
19:17 <epsy> oh, that other ivantis?
19:17 <BabyBug> And he wanted to baned ivantis3
19:17 <BabyBug> not ivantis
19:18 <ivantis2> no yesterday
19:18 <BabyBug> oh right
19:18 <ivantis2> #logs
19:18 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
19:19 <epsy> by the way mark shuttleworth can read the future
19:19 <epsy> here even, at bug 39464
19:19 <teabot> Launchpad bug 39464 in malone "Where's the bug reporter?" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39464
19:19 <ivantis2> crazy
19:20 <BabyBug> lol epsy
19:20 <ivantis2> guess what??? im on the honor roll
19:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8723 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/ (polish.txt polish_transliterated.txt): new polish files; polish.txt is UTF-8 -> Latin-1 translit
19:20 <ivantis2> i just looked at my grades today
19:21 <ivantis2> arent you guys proud of me?
19:21 <BabyBug> no, fuck off
19:22 <ivantis2> that wasnt very nice
19:22 <BabyBug> Take the hint!
19:22 <ivantis2> i got 3 As, 5 Bs
19:23 <ivantis2> to leave?
19:23 <ivantis2> *crying* i hate you all!
19:23 <epsy> You solved the puzzle!
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19:23 -!- Corn [n=Corn@174.33.245.44] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
19:24 <BabyBug> yay!
19:24 <epsy> You solved the puzzle!
19:24 <BabyBug> i rock!
19:24 <epsy> now u can go thru the magic mindportal
19:24 <BabyBug> Lucifer, /mode +b *!*Android@*
19:24 <epsy> lol
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19:30  * PinkTomato just realised that there is no point merging 0.2.8 with utf8 as Bitmap fonts are obviously not compatible.
19:31 <BabyBug> .........
19:32 -!- ivantis2 [n=Android@m4b0436d0.tmodns.net] has joined #armagetron
19:32 <PinkTomato> well if i used trunk it would make sense, but damn me, I thought it would be easier to use 0.2.8
19:32 <PinkTomato> It seems the UTF8 uses ttf font anyway, rFont.cpp is big
19:32 <ivantis2> i give up, im back
19:33 <BabyBug> 0.2.8 doesn't even use FTGL does it?
19:33 <epsy> no it doesnt
19:33  * BabyBug is cleva
19:33 <PinkTomato> no but the UTF8 branch references it
19:33 <epsy> maybe the utf8 branch, if PinkTomato says so
19:33 <PinkTomato> #include <FTGLPixmapFont.h>
19:33 <PinkTomato> so i assume so
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19:35 <PinkTomato> Meld is really handy, I didn't realise I can just click those arrows to paste
19:36 <ivantis2> no one cares? meanies
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19:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer, /mode +b *!*Android@*
19:45 <PinkTomato> are all ivantis' the same ivantis?
19:47 <epsy> he says not
19:49 <BabyBug> But they're all just as annoying
19:53 <epsy> argh, I knew I would have ended in doubleposting
19:54 <BabyBug> ?
19:56 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18922
19:57 <BabyBug> why didn't you just edit ya other post? :P
19:58 <epsy> I had clicked quote, then wanted to copypaste .. forgot then
19:59 <BabyBug> twit
20:00 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: I've already banned him 4 times today, how many times do you want me to ban him?
20:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer, until he stops coming back!
20:00 <BabyBug> If you're lazy just +o me *rolls eyes*
20:01 <@Lucifer> heh, I'm going to need a lot more people complaining about him before I'm willing to try to run him off completely :)
20:01 <epsy> Lucifer, one other thing which is fun when kicking autorejoiners is to type the channel name yourself, with fucked up capitalisation
20:02 <@Lucifer> ?  explain, epsy
20:02 <@Lucifer> you mean kick them to a particular channel with different capitalization so they can't come back?
20:02 <@Lucifer> oh yeah, luke-jr said he'd registered with armabot
20:02 <@Lucifer> #list channel
20:02 <armabot> Lucifer: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
20:02 <epsy>  /kick #armagetron epsy
20:03 <@Lucifer> #channel add capability luke-jr kick
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: 'supybot.add' is not a valid configuration variable.
20:03 <@Lucifer> I don't think that's it
20:03 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:03 <@Lucifer> #capability add
20:03 <epsy> capability add *
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:03 <@Lucifer> grrr
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
20:03 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add luke-jr kick
20:03 <armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:03 <@Lucifer> anybody else?
20:03 <BabyBug> me!
20:04 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug kick
20:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: I can't find BabyBug in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
20:04 <epsy> not sure if it will work like this
20:04 <@Lucifer> don't abuse it :)
20:04 <BabyBug> Awww
20:04 <BabyBug> how do i register?
20:04 <@Lucifer> hey, you have to register with armabot
20:04 <@Lucifer>  /msg armabot register
20:04 <epsy> and you have to be able to auth with it, unlike me
20:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by Lucifer
20:04 <PinkTomato> So to be kicked by armabot, you need to be registered with it?
20:04 <BabyBug> Registered Lucifer!
20:04 <@Lucifer> no, to use armabot to kick somebody you have to be registered with armabot
20:04 <@Lucifer> #admin capability add BabyBug kick
20:05 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:05 <PinkTomato> Ah thats alright then :)
20:05 <@Lucifer> #kick PinkTomato like this
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20:05 <epsy> ooh, he applied my patch :)
20:05 <@Lucifer> he did :)
20:05 <BabyBug> lol
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20:05 <epsy> that's what he had done, not the thing with my hostmask
20:06 <epsy> grm
20:06 <@Lucifer> see?  wasn't that fun?  :)
20:06 <PinkTomato> ah :)
20:06 <PinkTomato> lol
20:06 <epsy> @owner capability list Lucifer
20:06 <epsy> #owner capability list Lucifer
20:06 <@Lucifer> the reason for using armabot for it is so we can be more giving with those particular permissions, and if someone goes nuts, we can just deop armabot while we deal with it
20:06 <@Lucifer> #admin capability list Lucifer
20:07 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:07 <epsy> @ping
20:07 <teabot> pong
20:07 <epsy> #list owner
20:07 <@armabot> epsy: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
20:07 <luke-jr> presumably the utf8 branch is based on trunk..
20:07 <BabyBug> #capability list Lucifer
20:07 <@armabot> BabyBug: (capability list [<channel>]) -- Returns the capabilities present on the <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
20:07 <BabyBug> blah!
20:07 <@Lucifer> #capability list
20:07 <@armabot> Lucifer: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:07 <BabyBug> #capability list
20:07 <@armabot> BabyBug: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:08 <@Lucifer> luke-jr: it is, but it was made a long time ago
20:08 <BabyBug> armabot fails
20:08 <epsy> #channel capability list
20:08 <@armabot> epsy: -halfop -op -protected -voice
20:08 <epsy> #admin capability list
20:08 <epsy> #owner capability list
20:08 <@Lucifer> #list admin
20:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
20:08 <@Lucifer> #list owner
20:08 <@armabot> Lucifer: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
20:08  * luke-jr wonders if UTF-8 is better off being rewritten
20:08 <epsy> brb
20:08 <Corn> #list register
20:08 <@armabot> Corn: Error: 'register' is not a valid plugin.
20:08 <luke-jr> in two stages
20:08 <luke-jr> first, internally, so languages and menus are UTF-8
20:09 <PinkTomato> ./tools/tString.h:135: error: ‘int tString::RemoveWordRight(int)’ cannot be overloaded
20:09 <luke-jr> then after that is working, modify the network stack to support UTF-8
20:09 <Corn> #list plugin
20:09 <@armabot> Corn: author, contributors, help, list, and plugin
20:09 <PinkTomato> maybe ;)
20:09 <BabyBug> luke-jr, won't that take longer? :(
20:09 <luke-jr> BabyBug: well, if it's based on an old trunk, it might be faster
20:09 <luke-jr> old trunk won't necessarily merge cleanly
20:09 <luke-jr> tbh, I don't see a reason why UTF-8 would take long at all
20:09 <luke-jr> seems fairly straightforward
20:10 <luke-jr> at least internally
20:10 <luke-jr> network stack might be complex for the server
20:10 <@Lucifer> iirc, the issues were largely in ftgl
20:10 <BabyBug> in that case, hurry up!
20:10 <@Lucifer> and/or the network
20:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: FTGL is UTF-8 capable now
20:10 <Corn> #message Corn hi me
20:10 <@Lucifer> really?  reliably?  (not that reliably matters, at this rate we'll finally release something when 1 terahurtz processors hit the market)
20:10 <luke-jr> in theory
20:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the UTF-8 capable FTGL crashes with Latin-1
20:11 <BabyBug> yes it does!
20:11 <@Lucifer> ah, is that why babybug's server browser keeps crashing?
20:11 <luke-jr> yes
20:11 <@Lucifer> then it's not our bug anyway, it's ftgl's ;)
20:11 <luke-jr> so migrating internal to UTF-8 fixes that
20:11 <luke-jr> in theory
20:11 <Corn> i accidentally left a dr. pepper outside and its 23 degrees
20:11 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: go bug them :)
20:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I reported it to FTGL already
20:11 <@Lucifer> Corn: so drink it before it gets too warm
20:11 <PinkTomato> so the UTF8 build dosen't work?
20:12 <PinkTomato> as FTGL didn't have UTF8 support 2 years ago?
20:12 <Corn> its kind of solid... more like eat it rather than drink
20:12 <@Lucifer> ah, you meant 23 degrees F
20:12 <@Lucifer> #finc 23
20:12 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
20:12 <@Lucifer> fuck you armabot
20:12 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: hence why I suspect a rewrite of the UTF-8 branch may be faster than updating it
20:12 <@Lucifer> I made that shortcut so I wouldn't ahve to remember Math convert!
20:12 <@Lucifer> #math convert
20:12 <@armabot> Lucifer: (math convert [<number>] <unit> to <other unit>) -- Converts from <unit> to <other unit>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. For unit information, see 'units' command.
20:12 <luke-jr> #help finc
20:12 <@armabot> luke-jr: (finc <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo You don't need this, just use Math convert".
20:13 <@Lucifer> #math convert 23 F to C
20:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: -5.0
20:13 <luke-jr> Lucifer: next time #lock it
20:13 <@Lucifer> I'll lock armabot's ass, I swearit!
20:13 <luke-jr> #alias add finc math convert $1 F to C
20:13 <luke-jr> #finc 23
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: -5.0
20:13 <@Lucifer> why doesn't it say which smart-ass removed it, anyway?
20:13 <Corn> Lucifer, it would be freezing regardless
20:13 <luke-jr> #lock finc
20:13 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:13 <@Lucifer> #lock finc
20:13 <@armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
20:13 <@Lucifer> Corn: no, 23 degrees C is a warm day
20:13 <PinkTomato> #finc -40
20:13 <@armabot> PinkTomato: -40.0
20:13 <@Lucifer> #cinf 23
20:13 <@armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
20:14 <@Lucifer> #math convert 23 C to F
20:14 <@armabot> Lucifer: 73.4
20:14 <Corn> then why did you bother converting
20:14 <Corn> i thought you meant it would be -5 C
20:14 <@Lucifer> converting what?
20:14 <@Lucifer> I'm nagging you for not providing units
20:14 <Corn> tsk tsk
20:14 <@Lucifer> because if wrtlprnft (hi there!) was here, he'd be nagging you instead :)
20:15  * ct|kyle pokes BabyBug
20:15 <Corn> he's probably eves dropping for all you know
20:15 <BabyBug> ct|kyle?
20:15 <ct|kyle> BabyBug?
20:15 <BabyBug> die
20:15 <PinkTomato> so merging UTF8 to 0.2.8 is going to be a waste of time?
20:15 <@Lucifer> #kick somebody
20:15 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: somebody is not in #armagetron.
20:15 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: it's not going to happen
20:15 <Corn> try random
20:15 <@Lucifer> er, you mean you're trying to do taht?
20:15 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: nothing merges to 0.2.8
20:16 <PinkTomato> I was
20:16 <@Lucifer> if you do that, you'll just end up with 0.3.0 with UTF8
20:16 <@Lucifer> heh, don't, it is in fact a waste of time
20:16 <@Lucifer> 0.2.8 uses a bitmap font, you need a real font engine to have utf8
20:16 <@Lucifer> which is in the trunk, that's what ftgl is
20:16 <PinkTomato> I reliased that half way through
20:16 <@Lucifer> ah, ok :)
20:16 <@Lucifer> you also need string changes we made, iirc.
20:17 <luke-jr> XD
20:17 <PinkTomato> Thats where the make fails
20:17 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: 0.2.8 doesn't get any more changes
20:18 <BabyBug> no version ever seems to get changes ><
20:18 <PinkTomato> I know, merging UTF8 to anything for me is too ambitious for myself anyway
20:18 <luke-jr> BabyBug: trunk does
20:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, lies
20:18 <PinkTomato> but the trunk is so big
20:18 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: big?
20:19 <@Lucifer> it's bigger than a beached whale
20:19 <luke-jr> btw, in case anyone didn't notice, I removed a font from trunk
20:19 <PinkTomato> It has lots of stuff in it that I thought might make it harder to merge
20:19 <luke-jr> I suspect it predates our own font.
20:19 <@Lucifer> predates?
20:19 <PinkTomato> I noticed when everything is now ____
20:19 <PinkTomato> and anything I type is: ____
20:19 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I think someone added the Bitstream font before someone made our Arma font
20:19 <@Lucifer> wait, it might have been the font wrtlprnft used to work ftgl in before he finished drawing our font
20:20 <luke-jr> anyhow, I removed it cuz it was GPL-incompatible and non-Free
20:20 <@Lucifer> if it was the font I dug up, it was free as in freedom
20:20 <luke-jr> Lucifer: it forbade commercial distribution by itself
20:20 <PinkTomato> I thought Bitstream was free?
20:20 <PinkTomato> but it isn't commercial distribution?
20:21 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it lacks the freedom to commercially redistribute it
20:21 <luke-jr> that right is protected by the GPL
20:21 <BabyBug> But you're not commercially distributing....
20:21 <PinkTomato> Oh, so if Armagetron was supplied with a cover disc, it would be a breach?
20:21 <BabyBug> So what's the problem?
20:22 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
20:22 <PinkTomato> oh
20:22 <luke-jr> the GPL is not compatible, so it is a breach regardless of attempt to use it in that way
20:22 <@Lucifer> er, no
20:22 <@Lucifer> we don't depend on the font, it's just there
20:22 <@Lucifer> we can put any font we want in the game
20:23 <@Lucifer> as long as we have the rights to distribute it
20:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer: is it really mere aggregation if we include it with the game source itself?
20:23 <@Lucifer> and as long as we provide at least one font that the user can redistribute, and carefully note what parts they can't redistribute
20:23 <@Lucifer> the font isn't source code, it's data, and the gpl doesn't cover data
20:23 <luke-jr> GPL defines source code in such a way that it would include data
20:24 <@Lucifer> I'm not complaining that you removed it, mind you, just disagreeing with your GPL interpretation
20:24 <@Lucifer> no, GPL has a separate section for data, iirc
20:24 <@Lucifer> it's been a few years since I've read it, though
20:24  * luke-jr would need to reread.
20:24 <luke-jr> but this tangent is pretty irrelevant if nobody minds the removal
20:24 <BabyBug> wait people actually read them licenses?
20:24 <luke-jr> better to spend the time on other things
20:24 <@Lucifer> but the way I remember it, even with source code, if it's generic enough code, we're still safe
20:24 <@Lucifer> where generic means "we don't depend on it"
20:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: IIRC, generic+not included
20:25 <@Lucifer> so we can link to non-gpl-compatible libraries so long as we don't need them
20:25 <luke-jr> but as I said, let's do something more useful
20:25 <@Lucifer> ahhh, but truetype fonts are compiled, iirc ;)
20:25 <luke-jr> so long as there are alternative libraries that fit the same gap*
20:25  * Lucifer is just killing time until his head finally falls down and he's asleep
20:25 <luke-jr> oh
20:25 <BabyBug> END OF DISCUSSION
20:26 <PinkTomato> this legal talk goes over my head
20:26 <@Lucifer> then read this:
20:26 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: programmers like to pretend to be lawyers ☺
20:26 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/378/
20:26 <@Lucifer> hey, the only difference between programmers and lawyers is the language used
20:26 <@Lucifer> otherwise, none of them have friends, girls, etc.
20:27 <PinkTomato> can a programmer justify £60 an hour though?
20:27 <@Lucifer> yes
20:27 <luke-jr> yes
20:27 <luke-jr> that seems awful cheap for a lawyer
20:27 <@Lucifer> well, it's pounds, see
20:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I'm adjusting for that
20:27 <luke-jr> ~$125 IIRC
20:27 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: true, I forgot the cost
20:27 <@Lucifer> adjust for differences in the legal system while you're at it :)
20:27 <luke-jr> heh
20:27 <luke-jr> I don't know that
20:28 <@Lucifer> here, you need a lawyer if you want to wipe your ass in the courtroom
20:28 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: its worth less that that
20:28 <PinkTomato> £1 == $1.5
20:28 <ct|kyle> #g
20:28 <@Lucifer> but yeah, lawyers make more than programmers, and that's because they deal with more life-changing situations
20:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
20:28 <ct|kyle> #g £1 in USD
20:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: UK£ 1 = 1.4487 U.S. dollars
20:28 <@Lucifer> #g sizeof(lucifer's ass)
20:28 <@armabot> Lucifer: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:29 <luke-jr> Lucifer: lawyers don't seem to work as literally as programmers tho
20:29 <@Lucifer> heh, yeah they do :)
20:29 <luke-jr> one example being a problem I am currently facing
20:29 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: I don't know, a programmer could change a lot of lives if they were in charge of life critical systems
20:29 <luke-jr> my court order says I must take prescribed medication
20:29 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: and *those* programmers get paid a shitload of money
20:29 <luke-jr> but nothing was prescribed because I didn't want to take it ;)
20:30 <luke-jr> however, the fact that it was *recommended* will be problematic
20:30 <PinkTomato> Lucifer: ah I see my failed point :)
20:30 <@Lucifer> ah, are your judges elected or appointed?
20:30 <luke-jr> if legal things were literal, I would be off fine because it was not prescribed
20:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer: appointed, I think
20:30 <@Lucifer> see, ours are mostly elected, which means many of them haven't studied law at all
20:31 <luke-jr> speaking of which, is there such a thing as a good psychiatrist?
20:31 <luke-jr> and if so, how can I find one?
20:31 <ct|kyle> in indiana we can vote to remove Judges but the new ones are appointed
20:32 <luke-jr> wtf, ct|kyle pays attention to those sort of things? XD
20:33 <ct|kyle> when there are about 20 on the ballot, you kind of have to (actually i think there were 5)
20:34  * luke-jr didn't see a ballot
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20:37 <PinkTomato> Regarding armagetron trunk latest, ./configure fail on boostlib, does this mean that the autotools-dev/autoconf of ubuntu is out-of-date?
20:37 <@Lucifer> no, it means you need to install boost
20:37 <BabyBug> #ubuntu
20:37 <@armabot> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
20:38 <@Lucifer> once you have a configure script (without errors from the generators that make it), everything else is
20:38 <BabyBug> \o/
20:38 <@Lucifer> um
20:38 <PinkTomato> I have that BabyBug :)
20:38 <@Lucifer> I forgot my chain of thought
20:38  * PinkTomato found libboost and wonders how I could have missed it
20:38 <@Lucifer> well, the ubuntu alias is really just a more or less random list of libraries
20:39 <@Lucifer> we like to see which random configurations work and which don't, that way we don't have to bother to try to figure out what libraries we actually depend on
20:40 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/154/
20:42 <@Lucifer> http://xkcd.com/394/   <--- for luke-jr
20:43 <luke-jr> old
20:44 <PinkTomato> old can be good too
20:45 <PinkTomato> is this bad: http://rafb.net/p/wXiFk111.html ?
20:45 <@Lucifer> terrible
20:45 <@Lucifer> astonishingly bad
20:45 <PinkTomato> is there a way I can make it good?
20:46 <@Lucifer> paste the errors at the beginning?
20:46 <Corn> #weather burlington, vt
20:46 <luke-jr> what happened?
20:46 <@armabot> Corn: The current temperature in Winooski, Vermont is 21.2°F (2:46 PM EST on January 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
20:46 <@Lucifer> no << in tString
20:46 <@Lucifer> #weather Austin, TX
20:46 <@armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in UT Campus, Austin, Texas is 72.9°F (1:46 PM CST on January 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.14 in 986.7 hPa (Falling).
20:46 <luke-jr> tString(((const char*)"AAA")) <-- WTF is this?
20:46 <Corn> wow
20:46 <Corn> when was the last time it snowed in austin
20:47 <BabyBug> trunk is getting a segmentation fault when i type ./bootstrap.sh =(
20:47 <PinkTomato> this is the trunk btw, not my attempt at mergin
20:47 <@Lucifer> couple of weeks ago
20:47 <@Lucifer> BabyBug: bootstrap.sh is a shell script
20:47 <@Lucifer> so you've got a more serious problem
20:47 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that code is not in trunk
20:47 <luke-jr> (const char*)"AAA" is the same as "AAA"
20:48 <PinkTomato> BabyBug how old is the code?
20:48 <luke-jr> why is it being cast? :/
20:48 <Corn> shell is a linux terminal right?
20:48 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i just pulled it
20:48 <luke-jr> Corn: …
20:48 <PinkTomato> That's odd
20:48 <PinkTomato> It was erroring with Generating version
20:48 <luke-jr> BabyBug: and changed it?
20:48 <BabyBug> luke-jr, no ><
20:48 <PinkTomato> with me, but the update fixed it
20:48 <luke-jr> BabyBug: well you don't have trunk vanilla code
20:48 <luke-jr> err
20:48 <BabyBug> what?
20:48 <luke-jr> PinkTomato that is
20:49 <PinkTomato> $ svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
20:49 <PinkTomato> thats correct right?
20:49 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yes
20:50 <PinkTomato> Do you ./bootstrap.sh on svn?
20:50 <luke-jr> yes
20:50 <luke-jr> engine/ePlayer.cpp:4932: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘tString(((const char*)"AAA")) << lowerUser’
20:50 <PinkTomato> Oh right
20:50 <luke-jr> that code mentioned does not exist in trunk
20:50 <luke-jr> nor does it make sense
20:51 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how would i go about figure out what's causing the segfault ><
20:51 -!- Janowar [n=kvirc@65.198.5.139] has joined #armagetron
20:51 <PinkTomato> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp?revision=8717&view=markup
20:51 <@Lucifer> add echo statements between each line in bootstrap.sh and see what's the last one printed before the segfault?
20:51 <PinkTomato> check line 4932 luke-jr :S
20:52 <Janowar> hey guys, does the armagetron windows installer have a quiet install option?
20:53 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that line is different
20:53 <BabyBug> Lucifer, it segfaults on this line:     echo "m4_define(AUTOMATIC_VERSION,["`sh batch/make/version $MYDIR`"])" > version || exit 1
20:53 <BabyBug> Why? O.o
20:53 <luke-jr> BabyBug: that shouldn't be possible
20:53 <BabyBug> luke-jr, well it is
20:53 <BabyBug> lol
20:53 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: thats the same bug I had :S,
20:53 <@Lucifer> seems like m4 has to be the one segfaulting
20:53 <luke-jr> BabyBug: blame your crummy OS
20:53 <BabyBug> is that bad?
20:54 <PinkTomato> z-man fixed it :S
20:54 <@Lucifer> well yeah, if your m4 is borked, you're screwed
20:54 <BabyBug> ?!
20:54 <BabyBug> hrmph
20:54 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wait, what?
20:54 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: what was the actual problem you had?
20:54 <luke-jr> m4 isn't even running there
20:54 <@Lucifer> oh wait, you're right luke, m4 isn't running yet
20:54 <@Lucifer> heh
20:54 <luke-jr> BabyBug: please run: batch/make/version
20:54 <PinkTomato> its just an echo, that is what confused me
20:54 <@Lucifer> I said I was sick, now I'm also really tired ;)
20:54 <PinkTomato> thats the file z-man changed
20:55 <BabyBug> luke-jr.......
20:55 <BabyBug> richie@richie-laptop:~/armagetron/armagetronad$ sh batch/make/version
20:55 <BabyBug> cat: /major_version: No such file or directory
20:55 <BabyBug> Segmentation fault
20:55 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I didn't say 'sh' ;p
20:55 <luke-jr> BabyBug: ok, oops
20:55 <BabyBug> ,,
20:55 <luke-jr> batch/make/version $PWD
20:55 <BabyBug> just says Segmentation Fault this time
20:55 <epsy> Janowar, define what a quiet installation is ?
20:56 <luke-jr> BabyBug: date +%Y%m%d
20:56 <@Lucifer> epsy: no prompts
20:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, worked..20090102
20:56 <epsy> ah
20:56 <luke-jr> BabyBug: this is a Subversion checkout?
20:56 <epsy> use the zip
20:56 <@Lucifer> epsy: preferably no windows opened at all
20:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, no bzr
20:56 <@Lucifer> is it a fresh checkout?
20:56 <@Lucifer> or one that you've updated a lot?
20:57 <epsy> well, there's a commandline tool for unzipping, right?
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: open batch/make/version for editing
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: insert at line 2: set -x
20:57 <PinkTomato> z-man said stuff afterwards that  I didn't understand regarding subversion
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: actually, just uncomment the one already there
20:57 <@Lucifer> that's because he's a subversive
20:57 <BabyBug> luke-jr, it isn't already there...
20:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: line 5
20:58 <BabyBug> srcdir="$1"
20:58 <BabyBug> that's line 5
20:58 <luke-jr> wtf
20:58 <Janowar> epsy: yes, but I was trying to use it as a test package for remote software distrobution, rather than finding something ungainly.
20:58 <luke-jr> ok, insert it then: set -x
20:58 <BabyBug> then try bootstrap?
20:58 <@Lucifer> wah, I'm getting mostly girls responding to my TWG post
20:58 <luke-jr> BabyBug: then batch/make/version $PWD
20:59 <BabyBug> incoming spam...
20:59 <BabyBug> + srcdir=/home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad
20:59 <BabyBug> + cat /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/major_version
20:59 <BabyBug> + major_version=0.3
20:59 <BabyBug> + date +%Y%m%d
20:59 <BabyBug> + DATE=20090102
20:59 <luke-jr> NO
20:59 <BabyBug> + test -d /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/CVS
20:59 <luke-jr> OMFG
20:59 <BabyBug> + test -d /home/richie/armagetron/armagetronad/.svn
20:59 <luke-jr> DO NOT PASTE IT HERE
20:59 <luke-jr> IDIOT
20:59 <BabyBug> + bzr
20:59 <BabyBug> + test 1 -eq 0
20:59 <BabyBug> + test !
20:59 <BabyBug> Segmentation fault
20:59 <PinkTomato> PasteBin!
20:59 <BabyBug> oh
20:59 <@Lucifer> Latest Version: 0.2.8.2.1 | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys
20:59 <BabyBug> LOL
20:59 <BabyBug> It wasn't that many lines ><
20:59 <BabyBug> It's not like there was a 100
20:59 <BabyBug> zeesh don't throw a fit!
20:59 <epsy> it doesn't like the !
20:59  * BabyBug uses pastebinit from now on ><
20:59 <luke-jr> BabyBug: sh --version
21:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/revision/965
21:00 <epsy> and yeah, zman fixed that
21:00 <BabyBug> luke-jr, sh: Illegal option --
21:00 <BabyBug> :s
21:01 <epsy> BabyBug, can you try this: /bin/bash -c 'test ! 1 -eq 0'
21:01 <luke-jr> epsy: wtf?
21:01 <luke-jr> I don't see the 'test !' anywhere
21:01 <epsy> that's what was causing the odd segv, last time
21:01 <epsy> BabyBug, trunk?
21:02 <BabyBug> epsy, yup
21:02 <luke-jr> BabyBug: update
21:02 <luke-jr> it must be old
21:02 <BabyBug> Tree is up to date at revision 741.
21:02 <epsy> r742 should fix it
21:02 <epsy> pull
21:02 <epsy> it
21:02 <epsy> Janowar, and now..?
21:02 <BabyBug> ok yup it's working now \o/
21:02  * epsy slaps BabyBug
21:03 <luke-jr> epsy: wife beater!
21:03 <BabyBug> it was 1 revision off ><
21:03  * luke-jr runs
21:03 <BabyBug> wife?!?!?!
21:03 <epsy> one revision which brought a merge
21:03 <@Lucifer> yeah, why would epsy want to marry a welsh lady?
21:04 <luke-jr> why would anyone want to marry BabyBug, I wonder?
21:04 <BabyBug> ..........
21:04 <BabyBug> Thanks...
21:04 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: sorry to bring this back up again, but what should line 4932 be?
21:04 <@Lucifer> because she's into light s&m ?
21:04 <luke-jr> LOL
21:04 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: svn diff?
21:05 <BabyBug> OK....Now why won't bloody configure find FTGl... *growls*
21:05 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: that command results in null
21:05 <epsy> BabyBug, it wont accept the RC anymore
21:05 <BabyBug> ......
21:05 <epsy> (since it doesnt work)
21:06 <BabyBug> it worked for custom connects!
21:06 <BabyBug> :@
21:06 <luke-jr> BabyBug: only until someone used a Latin-1 name
21:06 <epsy> well, you can still append the correct CXXFLAGS
21:06 <BabyBug> i hate you all
21:06 <epsy> and remove the macro
21:07 <epsy> or just revert the revision that disallowed it
21:07 <epsy> which was revision..
21:07 <@Lucifer> you won't hate me after you see my fuzzy handcuffs
21:07 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: you must be compiling the same trunk ?
21:07 <@Lucifer> (note to self: buy fuzzy handcuffs)
21:07 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: has it worked?
21:07 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, mines working now yeh
21:07 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how old are again?
21:08 <epsy> ..I don't know what revision, bzr.lp just went down
21:08  * Lucifer falls asleep, 'night!
21:08 <BabyBug> ! ><
21:08 <epsy> fail
21:08 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Make working or done?
21:08 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8724 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/polish.txt: missing newlines
21:08 <epsy> kick it kick it
21:08 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i can't configure because of my FTGL version
21:08 <BabyBug> so i cant test that far
21:09 <PinkTomato> Oh! /me forgot to read
21:09 <PinkTomato> sorry
21:09 <epsy> grm
21:09  * BabyBug scowls at Lucifer 
21:09 <luke-jr> epsy: gg
21:10 <luke-jr> BabyBug: Lucifer is 58
21:10  * Lucifer scowls back
21:10 <BabyBug> liar
21:10 <luke-jr> :þ
21:10 <epsy> that was a taunt, not some random abbreviation
21:10 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how old are yooooooooh :P
21:10 <@Lucifer> yeah, I just ha da birthday, now I'm 59
21:10 <BabyBug> ...
21:10 <@Lucifer> #math calc 34*7
21:10 <@armabot> Lucifer: 238
21:11 <@Lucifer> I'm 238 in dog years
21:11 <luke-jr> :þ
21:11 <BabyBug> you're 34?! ewwww keep your fuzzy handcuffs !
21:11 <akira_arma> ???
21:11 <@Lucifer> heh
21:11 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I'm 23.
21:11 <akira_arma> #math 34/7
21:11 <epsy> erm
21:11 <akira_arma> #math calc 34/7
21:11 <epsy> BabyBug, I'm lost
21:11 <luke-jr> epsy is 92
21:12 <BabyBug> luke-jr, still too old for me :P
21:12 <akira_arma> you have too divide by 7 lucifer..
21:12 <@armabot> akira_arma: 4.85714285714
21:12 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I see why your name is Baby.
21:12 <BabyBug> epsy, lost about what?
21:12 <@Lucifer> oh yeah, heh
21:12 <BabyBug> ><
21:12 <epsy> finding the revision which changed the ftgl check
21:12 <@Lucifer> I'm about 5 in dog years :)
21:12 <BabyBug> oh
21:12 <BabyBug> lol
21:13 <epsy> but well, considering I'm on the wrong branch, it may explain stuff
21:13 <@Lucifer> he's on the gay pair-eeee branch
21:13 <BabyBug> So branch is what the old folks call it? ;)
21:14 <@Lucifer> I don't know, I haven't talked to any old people about SCM
21:14 <BabyBug> *face palms*
21:14 <BabyBug> You're almost double my age...So to me you're old :P
21:14 <luke-jr> BabyBug: you're 16⁈
21:15 <BabyBug> almost luke-jr
21:15 <BabyBug> I'm 18
21:15 <@Lucifer> 18, but she lies
21:15 <PinkTomato> what should line eplayer.cpp:4932 be?
21:15 <luke-jr> holy crap
21:15 <BabyBug> ?
21:15 <luke-jr> I'm 7 years past 18
21:15 <epsy> where and when?
21:15 <@Lucifer> and according to xkcd, my minimum dating age iis 24 anyway
21:15 <luke-jr> just realized that
21:15 <luke-jr> sweet, Lucifer can't try to date me
21:15 <epsy> Lucifer, where's that one already?
21:16 <BabyBug> luke-jr, 23 - 18 = 5 not 7......
21:16 <epsy> he can
21:16 <epsy> LOL
21:16 <@Lucifer> heh, it's fairly recent
21:16 <luke-jr> BabyBug: oh, right, that's a little better
21:16 <epsy> god, and I'm not  talking about luke's
21:16 <BabyBug> > 4 years is still old though
21:16 <luke-jr> sigh, I feel old ☹
21:16 <BabyBug> your are hunni xx
21:17 <BabyBug> you*
21:17 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean
21:17 <PinkTomato> better than feeling like a baby
21:17 <luke-jr> even with that correction it makes no sense
21:17  * Lizmatic growls
21:17 <BabyBug> of course it makes sense..
21:17 <BabyBug> It means you are old...
21:17 <luke-jr> sigh
21:17 <BabyBug> how does that not make sense?!
21:17 <luke-jr> wtf is hunni xx
21:18 <PinkTomato> Honey
21:18 <BabyBug> hunni is a nickname i call lots of people and xx are two kisses :P
21:18 <luke-jr> I don't even eat honey
21:18 <luke-jr> BabyBug: next time try 'u r'
21:18 <BabyBug> luke-jr, I'm not a freak
21:19 <BabyBug> freaks that can't spell says things like "u r"
21:19 <luke-jr> r so
21:19 <epsy> if you're 12 your minimum dating age is 13, but if you're 13 your minimum dating age is 13.5
21:19 <epsy> poor ivantis
21:20 <@Lucifer> er, I'm not finding it
21:20 <epsy> so, let's take it reverse and compute my max dating age
21:20 <epsy> http://xkcd.com/314/
21:21 <@Lucifer> aha, there it is
21:21 <@Lucifer> that makes my max dating age 44
21:21 <@Lucifer> so, 24-44
21:21 <epsy> 18, ah shit
21:21 <epsy> damn BabyBug
21:21 <@Lucifer> haha, my dating pool is bigger than yours :)
21:21 <BabyBug> epsy?
21:21 <epsy> I said nothing.
21:22 <BabyBug> <epsy> damn BabyBug
21:22 <BabyBug> ?
21:22 <@Lucifer> poor Babybug, her dating pool is only 17-19
21:22 <BabyBug> Lucifer, 17 - 22 actually!
21:22 <@Lucifer> er, wait a minute, that's not the one with the formula in it, it's just the graph
21:22 <BabyBug> 16 if they're female :P
21:22 <@Lucifer> oh nvm, yeah, it's there
21:22 <PinkTomato> what :s
21:23 <epsy> I just gave her min dating age
21:23 <PinkTomato> why would be it 17? 18/2+7=16
21:23 <@Lucifer> minimum dating age = (your_age/2)  + 7
21:23 <@Lucifer> oh right
21:23 <@Lucifer> ok, 16-20 then
21:23 <epsy> woops
21:23 <@Lucifer> but see, there's a problem with that
21:23 <Janowar> mine is 18-30
21:23 <@Lucifer> take the 24 year old I could date
21:24 <@Lucifer> her dating range is 19-29
21:24 <@Lucifer> and I'm outside of it
21:24 <PinkTomato> how do you work out the max though?
21:24 <@Lucifer> your_age - minimum + your_age
21:24 <Janowar> work in reverse, find the oldest that has you in their dating range
21:25 <@Lucifer> ahhh, so actual dating range might be different, I need to find the youngest that has me in her dating range
21:25 <Janowar> lucifer: it should be 2(your_age - 7)
21:25 <@Lucifer> for youngest or oldest?
21:25 <@Lucifer> #math calc 2*(34-7)
21:25 <@armabot> Lucifer: 54
21:25 <Janowar> for oldest
21:26 <epsy> for max
21:26 <@Lucifer> hey, I can date my neighbor
21:26 <@Lucifer> (she's really hot, but cranky, and 53)
21:26 <luke-jr> #math calc (23/2) + 7
21:26 <@armabot> luke-jr: 18.5
21:26 <epsy> woops, it is even smaller
21:26 <luke-jr> #math calc 2*(23-7)
21:26 <Janowar> min:( your_age/2) + 7 max: 2(your_age - 7)
21:26 <@armabot> luke-jr: 32
21:26 <BabyBug> luke-jr, are you really 23?
21:26 <epsy> 14.5-16
21:26 <@Lucifer> oh I see, ok, I get it
21:26 <luke-jr> BabyBug: yes
21:27 <epsy> let's spice it up with months
21:27 <@Lucifer> so I can date 24, that makes sense now
21:27 <@Lucifer> holy crap, 24-54
21:27 <Lizmatic> Lucifer: you're old and a dad, you're not allowed to date anymore
21:27 <PinkTomato> Lucifer Min age == 24 && 24 year old == OK, 24 year old == 19 O
21:27 <@Lucifer> Lizmatic: you're wrong on two counts
21:27 <PinkTomato> K
21:27 <PinkTomato> so no conflict?
21:28 <Corn> i wouldnt want to date someone that is 54 and single
21:28 <@Lucifer> what if she was really hot?
21:28 <PinkTomato> what about 54 and not single?
21:28 <Corn> thats risque
21:28 <Corn> like desperate house wives without the mexicans
21:28 <@Lucifer> hey, if she's 54, she lived through the sexual revolution
21:29 <@Lucifer> she probably knows things you can't even imagine
21:29 <@Lucifer> hell yeah I'd tap that!
21:29 <Corn> that i dont want to imagine from a 54 yearold doing it
21:29 <@Lucifer> I've seen lots of very beautiful women over 50
21:29 <PinkTomato> but you already have
21:29 <Corn> She could have cancer for all i know
21:29 <@Lucifer> and I say that not because I'm a freak, but because it's true
21:30 <@Lucifer> what's wrong with screwing a woman with cancer?
21:30 <PinkTomato> any person could have cancer
21:30 <Lizmatic> women over 20 aren't beautiful
21:30 <Lizmatic> don't be silly
21:30 <Corn> the hair falls out
21:30 <Janowar> only from kemo
21:30 <@Lucifer> it's not cancer that does that
21:30 <PinkTomato> thats not going to happy during sex
21:30 <Janowar> thats not the only treatment
21:30 <PinkTomato> happen*
21:30 <Corn> most cancer patients do kemo
21:30 <@Lucifer> even if it does, what does it matter?
21:30 <@Lucifer> your hair falls out too
21:30 <@Lucifer> ever have a woman complain about pubes in her teeth?
21:31 <BabyBug> a guy shouldn't have pubes!
21:31 <Corn> have you?
21:31 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic: what will you do after the age of 20?
21:31 <@Lucifer> yes, first complaint was when I was 18, and then they were pretty steady until recently
21:31 <epsy> so, normalized, my dating age goes from 14.75704225352112676056 to 17.02816901408450704224, with, apparently, a precision up to 10e-20
21:31 <Janowar> babybug: girls shouldt either, but the world isnt perfect
21:31 <@Lucifer> holy shit, epsy
21:31 <@Lucifer> you did *not* use that many sig figs for your age, did you?
21:32 <BabyBug> Janowar, most girls don't =P
21:32 <epsy> I did not include hours
21:32 <Janowar> true
21:32 <@Lucifer> you included days, though?
21:32 <Corn> if the boy shaves and the girl doesnt then its like the bob saget joke
21:32 <epsy> so that's not a 10e-20 precision
21:32 <@Lucifer> no, you've got too many decimal places
21:32 <@Lucifer> including years, months, and days is only 3 sig figs, iirc
21:32 <epsy> rather 355e-1
21:32 <epsy> rather 355^-1 *
21:33 <@Lucifer> ah
21:33 <BabyBug> Corn, shaves? nuuuuuu, use wax!
21:33 <epsy> but I haven't been counting leap years, damned
21:33 <@Lucifer> ok, that makes it 4 sig figs
21:33 <@Lucifer> you don't have to count leap years
21:33 <epsy> you'd better use days for this
21:33 <@Lucifer> the denominator only applies to the year most recent
21:34 <@Lucifer> and the year counts from your birthday
21:34 <Corn> When was the last leap year? 2006?
21:34 <@Lucifer> 2008 dipshit
21:34 <Corn> like i would know
21:34 <@Lucifer> it was last year!
21:34 <epsy> leap years can be divided by 4
21:34 <Corn> why do you remember that crap
21:34 <@Lucifer> well, I had to encode the algorithm into a program
21:35 <@Lucifer> epsy: unless the year is also divisible by 400
21:35 <@Lucifer> or wait
21:35 <epsy> crap, so 200 isn't leap?
21:35 <@Lucifer> maybe it's unless the year is also divisible by 100, but also if the year is divisible by 400
21:35 <Lizmatic> PinkTomato: why?
21:35 <Corn> every 100 years that collide with a leap year there is no leap iirc
21:35 <epsy> 2000 *
21:35 <@Lucifer> I don't remember if 2000 was a leap year or not
21:36 <epsy> so I encountered 3 leap years in my life
21:36 <Janowar> why is that? if its every 4 years, the hundres shouldnt matter?
21:36 <@Lucifer> how many leap years are you going to include in the constant?
21:37 <@Lucifer> Janowar: because 2000 is divisible by both 100 and 400
21:37 <@Lucifer> and epsy was born before 2000
21:37 <Corn> so its a double cancel?
21:37 <Corn> are you positive
21:37 <epsy> holy shit months
21:37 <PinkTomato> If Lizmatic is beautiful and is younger than 20, then Lizmatic is beautiful, but when Lizmatic is over 20, then Lizmatic cannot be beautiful, by your logic.
21:37 <@Lucifer> see, he's trying to use his age in days to compute his minimum dating range to high precision, which thus ensures he'll never actually get a date
21:37 <epsy> PinkTomato, and if she is 20 ??
21:38 <@Lucifer> PinkTomato: doesn't matter, because by her logic she can't date anyway
21:38 <@Lucifer> (has a kid)
21:38 <Janowar> following the xkcd comic, somewhere on the edge of the bell curve is the girl for him
21:38 <teabot> armablah: Ubuntu Linux » Blog Archive » [ubuntu] Armagetron problem <http://ubuntu.linuxguru.co.uk/ubuntu-armagetron-problem-2/1997/>
21:38 <@Lucifer> and being beautiful only matters if you try to date
21:38 <Corn> i think cancer affects your dating range
21:38 <Corn> effects*
21:38 <epsy> I wonder if I can exclude some sites from that search..
21:38 <@Lucifer> Corn: no, it just widens the group of people that are idiotic bigots that you won't date
21:39 <Lizmatic> PinkTomato: so what?
21:39 <Corn> What stops a cancer patient from dating a bigot
21:39 <@Lucifer> the bigot hates them?
21:39 <@Lucifer> more importantly, what's wrong with dating a cancer patient?
21:40 <Corn> on the contrary
21:41 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic: If you accept that, then good on you ;)
21:41 <epsy> how do I use modulo on bc? :s
21:41 <@Lucifer> on bc?
21:41 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Lizmatic is already fugly though, so her age doesn't matter
21:41 <BabyBug> :D
21:41 <Lizmatic> o_O
21:42 <@Lucifer> yeah, she's a girl, in irc
21:42 <Corn> arent there 2 lizmatics?
21:42  * Lizmatic sighs
21:42 <@Lucifer> so by definition, she's either fugly, or an old man pretending to be a hot young lesbian
21:42 <@Lucifer> either way, Corn would tap that
21:42 <epsy> Lucifer, yeah, GNU bc
21:42 <epsy> calculator
21:42 <Lizmatic> why would there be 2 lizmatics? moron
21:42 <@Lucifer> epsy: I don't know what bc is
21:42 <@Lucifer> ahhhh, I use python as my calculator
21:42 <@Lucifer> and have to look up modulo anyway
21:42 <Corn> Lizmatic transforms into Bitchmatic
21:43 <Lizmatic> Lucifer: i'm a fugly straight girl =P
21:43 <PinkTomato> Lizmatic is confrontational, A note that I shall remeber
21:43 <Lizmatic> pregnant, hormones.. shut it or i'll kill you.
21:43 <epsy> php has it as %
21:43 <@Lucifer> oooo, pregnant is really hot
21:43 <BabyBug> ewwww Lucifer is a fetishist
21:43 <@Lucifer> no, just been with a pregnant woman
21:44 <@Lucifer> hormones, good
21:44 <@Lucifer> if you catch her in an "I love men" stage, of course
21:44 <@Lucifer> if she's currently hating men....
21:44 <@Lucifer> well, where's my fuzzy handcuffs?
21:44 <Lizmatic> I'm currently hating everyone
21:44 <Lizmatic> xD
21:44 <BabyBug> Except me!!
21:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: chasteberry is useful
21:44 <epsy> EXCEPT in bed
21:44 <@Lucifer> wait, how does a lesbian get pregnant?
21:44 <Lizmatic> yes, I love BabyBug in a straight girl way
21:45 <@Lucifer> haha epsy
21:45 <BabyBug> Lucifer, clinics
21:45 <PinkTomato> with sperm
21:45 <Corn> Fake lesbians... :/
21:45  * Lizmatic isn't a lesbian o_O
21:45 <Lizmatic> www.myspace.com/whengodhatesu
21:45 <Lizmatic> no lesbian
21:45 <Lizmatic> =)
21:45 <@Lucifer> do I really want to click on that link?
21:45 <epsy> (the myspace profile field as a proof)
21:45 <PinkTomato> :)
21:45 <BabyBug> You're myspace also says you live in Italy
21:45 <Lizmatic> epsy: the default pic actually..
21:45 <BabyBug> your*
21:45 <Lizmatic> I live in italy......sometimes
21:46 <BabyBug> liar
21:46 <BabyBug> lol
21:46 <epsy> haha
21:46 <Lizmatic> lolol
21:46 <@Lucifer> that reminds me, women with myspace pages aren't in my dating pool
21:46 <Lizmatic> whateva, pic + profile field = TRUTH
21:46 <epsy> Humeur : cafardeux
21:46 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i don't have a myspace!
21:46 <Corn> italy has a lot of pregnant lesbians from what i hear.
21:46 <epsy> #t fr en cafardeux
21:46 <@armabot> epsy: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
21:46 <@Lucifer> look at this girl
21:46  * Lizmatic growls at BabyBug
21:46 <@Lucifer> half the time I'm  too old, the other  half I'm totally desirable
21:46 <epsy> "cafardeux" just makes me think of insects
21:47  * BabyBug scowls at Lizmatic 
21:47 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you're just so damn sexy!
21:47  * Lizmatic growls more
21:47 <BabyBug> xD
21:47 <Corn> Luci has that mullet thing going for him or whatever it is
21:47  * Lucifer doesn't have a mullet
21:47 <Lizmatic> oh thats really you in your avatar Lucifer?
21:48 <Lizmatic> I thought you ripped that from a hells angels website or something
21:48 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i've decided old is the new sexy
21:48 <@Lucifer> yeah, that's really me
21:48 <@Lucifer> but I changed my avatar a few days ago
21:48 <Corn> If its not a mullet what is it called
21:48 <@Lucifer> I also got a hair cut a couple of months ago
21:48 <PinkTomato> we can't see your face any more
21:48 <@Lucifer> Corn: long hair?
21:49 <@Lucifer> a mullet is short on the front and sides and long in the back
21:49 <@Lucifer> my hair used to be long all over, and now it's short all over
21:49 <Corn> so its kind of a lions mane type of thing right?
21:49 <luke-jr> my wife says I need a haircut :o
21:49 <@Lucifer> yes, that's right, lion's mane type of thing
21:49 <Lizmatic> luke-jr: what else do your imaginary friends tell you? xD
21:49 <@Lucifer> I could touch my nipples with my bangs
21:49 <luke-jr> Lizmatic: f u
21:50 <Lizmatic> :D
21:50 <@Lucifer> but I went and got a haircut back in Septemberish, so it's short all the way around right now
21:50 <Corn> note: never tell people you can touch your nipples with your bangs
21:50 <@Lucifer> I've almost got the goatee back, though ;)
21:50 <@Lucifer> why?
21:50 <@Lucifer> that either tells them I've got really long hair, or I'm really fat
21:50 <Lizmatic> this convo is too amusing.. weirdo's xD
21:51 <Corn> maybe its a good thing depends on what kind of people your chasing after
21:52 <@Lucifer> to be quite honest, I'm generally attracted to women with piercings, for some reason
21:52 <@Lucifer> piercings yes, tattoos no
21:52 <Corn> who even uses myspace anymore after the pedobear invaded
21:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, i have a belly piecing!
21:52 <@Lucifer> not goths, not emos, but still in that same vein
21:52 <@Lucifer> (I just can't stand the goth/emo attitudes, but goth chicks are freaking hot)
21:52 <@Lucifer> (even fat goth chicks are hot)
21:53 <Corn> how about fat goth men that you cant tell if they're girls or boys
21:53 <@Lucifer> if I can't tell, does it matter?
21:53 <Corn> im pretty sure it does
21:53 <@Lucifer> I can't see why
21:55 <Corn>  i think that killed the convo
21:56 <@Lucifer> no, we're just waiting for BabyBug to show us a picture of her belly piecing
21:56 <@Lucifer> we've all seen piercings, but a piecing is something new
21:56 <BabyBug> Lucifer, you can't have pictures of belly dancing...
21:56 <BabyBug> How would you know i'm belly dancing?
21:56 <BabyBug> lol
21:56  * Lizmatic has pictures of BabyBugs belly piercing
21:56 <@Lucifer> <BabyBug> Lucifer, i have a belly piecing!
21:57 <BabyBug> Lizmatic, I was in the bath! You can't belly dance in the bath ><
21:57 <Lizmatic> of course you can
21:57 <Corn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3L8sLbfCPs&NR=1 this dude can probably touch his nipples with his bangs
21:57 <BabyBug> no Lizmatic i can't =P
21:57 <BabyBug> It's
21:57 <BabyBug> oops
21:58 <BabyBug> damn enter button
21:58 <BabyBug> it's too slidey! :P
21:58 <@Lucifer> no, that guy has a mullet
21:58 <epsy> BabyBug, then when you fall it can go to youtube instead
21:58 <BabyBug> lol
21:59 <@Lucifer> Cornn must be male,, he doesn't know what bangs are
22:00 <BabyBug> epsy, a picture wouldn't capture the fall \o/
22:00 <epsy> do you often publish pictures on youtube?
22:00 <BabyBug> no..
22:00 <BabyBug> i never do
22:00 <epsy> right
22:00 <@Lucifer> no, but it would capture the look on your face right when you realize you're falling
22:00  * BabyBug smacks Lucifer 
22:00 <@Lucifer> I think epsy was offering you a pair of fuzzy handcuffs in exchange for a video on youtube of you falling in the bathtub
22:00 <epsy> lol
22:01  * BabyBug has enough fuzzy handcuffs tyvm =P
22:01 <Corn> bathtub + furry handcuffs
22:01 <Corn> = bondage drowning
22:02 <@Lucifer> Corn, just shut up.  Every time you talk, everybody stops talking.
22:02  * BabyBug agrees
22:03 <BabyBug> /kick Corn BYE!
22:03 <epsy> #capability list BabyBug
22:03 <@armabot> epsy: (capability list [<channel>]) -- Returns the capabilities present on the <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:03 <@Lucifer> oh well, I'm going to bed anyway
22:03 <BabyBug> night Lucifer
22:03 <Corn> dont let the babybugs bite
22:03 <BabyBug> or do...depending on how horny ya feeling =D
22:08 <Corn> see it wasnt me this time
22:14  * BabyBug <3's everyone except Lizmatic
22:14 <epsy> EXCEPT IN BED
22:14 <BabyBug> ESPECIALLY IN BED
22:18 <Lizmatic> =/
22:18  * Lizmatic goes to bed, totally depressed
22:18 <BabyBug> =P
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23:48 <Corn> .tea
23:49 <Corn> #armaservers
23:49 <@armabot> Corn: This data is 6 seconds old; Fortress Café (12/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (10/14), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (8/10), Best Server Ever (CTF) (7/8), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (7/14), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (7/12), Swampland Mud Puddle (6/8), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (6/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (6/16), The YELLOW (1 more message)
23:50 <Corn> Does anyone know the address for Fortress Cafe with custom connect
23:52 <Corn> or a way to find out
23:56 <Corn> #ping
23:56 <@armabot> pong
23:57 <BabyBug> Corn, armagetron.at 4539
23:58 <Corn> thanks

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