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Log from 2008-12-31:
--- Day changed Wed Dec 31 2008
00:01 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@75-13-83-46.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
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00:15 <ct|kyle> #help m
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00:15 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $*".
00:16 <Flex> got it
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00:23 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Lucifer
00:26 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: your website loads
00:26 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: thanks :)
00:27 <ct|kyle> just thought about it when i saw your new face in forums :P
00:28 <Lucifer> :)
00:30  * z-man is sligtly horrified by Lucifer's new avatar
00:30 <Lucifer> heh
00:30  * Lucifer likes it
00:31 <Lucifer> you should've seen it when I had the glass tile effect on it
00:31 <ct|kyle> it looks better on your website
00:31 <Lucifer> I had millions of eyes
00:37 <BabyBug> #tea
00:37 <@armabot> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): Æ, CtxWoned, JJBean, noob13, noob27, |x| FoFo, |x|Cid
00:37 <BabyBug> JOIN!
00:38 <ct|kyle> #si flag fo
00:38 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Adventures of TRON >>> Flag Fortress <<<: Players (0/10):
00:42 <Flex> luke-jr, what are you up to?
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01:03 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/resume/dave.html
01:10 <Lucifer> haha, the resume on my website is better than the resume on my thumb drive
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01:13 <JonnyL> ahem
01:13 <PinkTomato> hello JonnyL :)
01:14  * BabyBug goes to visit Lucifer!
01:14 <JonnyL> howdy pinky
01:15 <JonnyL> and everyone else present
01:16 <Lucifer> heh, I've got "Evil Triumvir" on my resume
01:16 <Lucifer> that should go offer well, I imagine
01:17 <ct|kyle> heh
01:17 <Lucifer> great conversation piece in an interview, no doubt
01:17 <ct|kyle> ya
01:18 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: Austin Community College 2009 - present Associate of Art, Music
01:18 <ct|kyle> it is not 2009 yet
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01:24 <PinkTomato> #tea
01:24 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): -»|þsy, alf, CtxWoned, cT¬safarisKater, Dick Tracy, Durka (DDMJ@forums), I/O Bus, JJBean, luckstah!!, myage, |x| FoFo, |x| Raiden, ~|DS|~ Judders, ~|DS|~|Fabi|~
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01:25 <sinewav> why does cafe crash so much?
01:25 <sinewav> ...
01:25 <smoothice> &dns desserts.ath.cx
01:25 <smoothbot> smoothice:
01:25 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: Shouldn't it be something like Starting 2009 (for a little more than 1 day)
01:25 <ct|kyle> #tea
01:25 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): -»|þsy, CtxWoned, JJBean, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders
01:26 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
01:26 <sinewav> hai!
01:26 <PinkTomato> #tea
01:26 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): -»|þsy, CtxWoned, JJBean, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~ Judders
01:26 <PinkTomato> did it crash again?
01:26 <sinewav> yeah
01:26 <PinkTomato> :(
01:26 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: I don't honestly expect people to really see it until then, and anybody who does will know what it means, heh :)
01:27 <PinkTomato> I think there's something wrong with 0.2.8 release, mine crashes too
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01:29 <Lucifer> heh, now I need to fix all my txt2tags macros to work for a plaintext target
01:29 <sinewav> FlagFort
01:30 <PinkTomato> smoothice: it's dessert.ath.cx
01:30 <smoothice> PinkTomato: oh....
01:30 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok :D
01:30 <PinkTomato> though as you were testing the DNS report, still the same :)
01:30 <PinkTomato> i mean, it's not my IP, but still tests it
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01:31 <smoothice> PinkTomato: yeah...
01:33 <smoothice> &dns dessert.ath.cx
01:33 <smoothbot> smoothice:
01:34 <smoothice> PinkTomato: that looks more like it. :D
01:34 <PinkTomato> smoothice: that's the right one :)
01:34 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :)
01:34 <smoothice> &seen PinkTomato
01:34 <smoothbot> smoothice: PinkTomato was last seen in #armagetron 37 seconds ago: <PinkTomato> smoothice: that's the right one :)
01:35 -!- Lizmatic [n=Lizmatic@78-27-12-206.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:36 <Lucifer> now I need to revamp the Articles section of my site to show where stuff was originally published, when it wasn't originally published on my website
01:36 <Lucifer> that could be tricky, heh
01:37 <smoothice> ljrbot: seen smoothice
01:37 <ljrbot> smoothice: smoothice was last seen in #armagetron 2 minutes and 31 seconds ago: <smoothice> &seen PinkTomato
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01:57 <PinkTomato> smoothice: do you host ID racing?
01:57 <smoothice> PinkTomato: No but I socialize significantly with my friend who does... I went to school with him too
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01:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: why?
01:58 <PinkTomato> Oh it says your name on it, my client comes up with Upgrade Needed
01:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: crud
01:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: I set cycle_speed_max by accident earlier
01:58 <PinkTomato> ah
01:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: thanks for pointing that out lol
01:59 <PinkTomato> no problem
01:59 <smoothice> I'll just SSH in and restart the processes :D
02:01 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Can you try to connect now? I need to make sure it works..
02:02 <PinkTomato> it works :)
02:05 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok thanks
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02:22 <smoothice> PinkTomato: How's your fortress server?
02:29 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Why does the lag-o-meter on the racing server look awesome?
02:29 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Awesomer than normal...
02:29 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Lag_O_meter settings are the same.
02:30 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Look: http://www.grabup.com/uploads/9d1475ce0cead3636a70846e1a68d39e.png?direct
02:31 <smoothice> PinkTomato: I'm using tentative
02:32 <PinkTomato> smoothice: well lag_o_meter settings are client based
02:32 <PinkTomato> and I do notice that they change shape a lot
02:32 <smoothice> PinkTomato: ok
02:33 <PinkTomato> what it represents, No idea
02:33 <PinkTomato> smoothice: my fort server keeps crashing, so its not well
02:33 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :(
02:33 <PinkTomato> running that gdb thing
02:33 <smoothice> is that on cheapvps too?
02:33 <PinkTomato> yeah
02:33 <PinkTomato> hopefully I can catch a crash
02:34 <PinkTomato> maybe a developer can understand why it happens
02:36 <smoothice> Yeah
02:39 <smoothice> &whois smootharma.homelinux.com
02:39 <smoothbot> smoothice: Error: <domain> must be a domain, not a hostname.
02:40 <GodTodd> er, humm... Lucifer, ping
02:40 <smoothice> lol
02:41 <smoothbot> smoothice: whois smootharma.homelinux.com -
02:46 <smoothice> &channelstats
02:46 <smoothbot> smoothice: On #armagetron there have been 24 messages, containing 834 characters, 117 words, 0 smileys, and 2 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
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03:23 <PinkTomato> smoothice: everyone
03:23 <PinkTomato> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18918
03:23 <PinkTomato> pretty significant i think :)
03:47 <ct|kyle> must be something that was recently commented
03:52 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: Ping
03:53 <ct|kyle> .si ladle f
03:53 <ct|kyle> #si ladle f
03:53 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2: Players (2/26): ct¤ky13 (kyle@ct), Nickymook
03:55 <PinkTomato> kyle tomato
03:55 <PinkTomato> ct|kyle: tomato here
03:55 <ct|kyle> come and try it there
04:00 <Lucifer> GodTodd: pong
04:01 <Lucifer> smoothice: the lagometer shapes itself according to the number of axes in a server
04:01 <luke-jr> "as long as you guys can move the graphical HUD, as well as the textures and reflective flooring down to 2.8. im good."
04:01 <luke-jr> ROFL
04:01 <Lucifer> yeah, what does he mean by that?
04:01 <hang3r> reflective floor is in 2.8
04:01 <Lucifer> does he want us  to backport the whole cockpit?
04:01 <hang3r> it was in 2.7
04:01 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I think so XD
04:01 <Lucifer> reflective floor has been there for as long as I can remember
04:02 <Lucifer> last I heard, the cockpit depended on too many trunk-only things that we'd have ot just release 0.3.1 as to give him what he wants
04:02 <luke-jr> I can imagine
04:02 <hang3r> tell him to port it himself :)
04:02 <luke-jr> isn't the cockpit also the source of the poor performance too?
04:03 <Lucifer> it's probably not the only source, but it's part of it, iirc
04:03 <Lucifer> big part of it
04:03 <Lucifer> but see, we're still in "add features" mode, we're not yet in "optimize"
04:03 <luke-jr> right
04:03 <Lucifer> if we optimize too much now, it would be premature optimization :)
04:03 <luke-jr> but if anyone were to even CONSIDER cockpits in 0.2.8, it'd need optimization
04:04 <Lucifer> yeah, that's true, and that's not even considering the amount of work needed to backport it
04:04 <Lucifer> sure, it was originally hacked onto essentially, but it's way beyond that now
04:08 <GodTodd> Lucifer, in my working directory i should see the pages use the main css template if i do gensite, no?
04:09 <Lucifer> hmmm, you kinda have to test it in a webserver
04:09 <Lucifer> I'm not sure how gensite makes the link to the main css file
04:09 <GodTodd> ok...so, how do i have to do this to update my site again? :)
04:10 <Lucifer> generate it to a working directory, the rsync it
04:10 <GodTodd> i've made some changes and done gensite
04:10 <GodTodd> rsync the working directory to the same directory i ssh to?
04:12 <Lucifer> http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/
04:12 <Lucifer> rsync it to www.toddmacy.com:/www/todd
04:12 <Lucifer> there may be an easier way for you to do this, actually
04:12 <Lucifer> sudo apt-get install sshfs
04:13 <Lucifer> empty your working directory, leaving the source directory unchanged
04:13 <Lucifer> but leave the working directory entry itself
04:13 <Lucifer> then do:
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04:13 <GodTodd> so make the working directory just an empty directory?
04:14 <Lucifer> sshfs godtodd@www.toddmacy.com:/www/todd /path/to/your/working/directory
04:14 <Lucifer> yes, make the working directory just an empty directory
04:15 <GodTodd> k did that
04:15 <Lucifer> did you do the sshfs part too?
04:15 <GodTodd> yep
04:16 <Lucifer> now gensite again :)
04:16 <Lucifer> sshfs mounts the remote directory using ssh for communication :)
04:16 <GodTodd> on my local machine i assume
04:16 <Lucifer> yeah, to the place you mounted the webroot
04:16 <Lucifer> in fact, you can do ls /your/working/directory and see what's there now
04:17 <Lucifer> make sure you keep your own backups for a week or so
04:17 <Lucifer> my server is in the physics lab at the northridge campus, waiting for me to pick it up, but the campus is closed until next week
04:17 <Lucifer> when I bring it in, you'll be able to commit your site again
04:17 <ivantis2> man ai am bord
04:18 <Lucifer> but I am considering removing the svn hook that generates the site and going to a sshfs thing
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04:18 <GodTodd> ok...that worked but I seriously need to reconsider the color scheme
04:18 <GodTodd> heh
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04:19 <Lucifer> holy fuck
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04:19 <GodTodd> yeah...that green...um...leaves a lot to be desired
04:19 <GodTodd> heh
04:20 <Lucifer> either darken a lot the background green, or lighten it up a lot
04:20 <GodTodd> i'm thinking of going the hover color
04:20 <GodTodd> darker green
04:20 <Lucifer> I'd go even a bit darker than that
04:20 <Lucifer> once you take a color and spread it over a large area, it gets a lot brighter
04:21 <Lucifer> also, I'd replace the black with a pattern image of some sort
04:21 <Lucifer> lots of good ones in /usr/share/wallpapers :)
04:21 <Lucifer> (the water on my site came from there)
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04:21 <GodTodd> well...the main green on the left is all part of the same jpg as the black
04:22 <GodTodd> so, if i change the background pic then the whole color scheme can change
04:22 <Lucifer> oh, I see
04:22 <Lucifer> then extract the rope thing and put it in a div with its own background and set it to y-repeat :)
04:23 <Lucifer> then you can isolate the black part from the green part :)
04:23 <Lucifer> make the black part the background for the body
04:23 <Lucifer> I've got a macro that makes making the div easy, and if you look at my site, you'll see where I put a header and footer as .t2t files that are included in every page
04:24 <Lucifer> so the base layout is taken care of by that
04:25 <smoothice> Anyone here have experience writing Supybot plugins?
04:26  * Lucifer has a little
04:26 <luke-jr> some
04:26 <luke-jr> but I think the consensus is that it's best to make web apps
04:26 <luke-jr> ]rating smoothice
04:26 <ljrbot> luke-jr: smoothice is 9912th with a rating of 1354-1408 (from 1356-1406)
04:26 <luke-jr> ]help rating
04:26 <ljrbot> luke-jr: (rating <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]".
04:27 <Lucifer> luke-jr: depends on what you're doing
04:27 <smoothice> luke-jr: Apparently you do?
04:27 <Lucifer> if you need tight integration with supybot's security model, then yeah, you need a plugin
04:27 <Lucifer> but if you can get away with using either the web or rss plugins, then webapps ftw!  ;)
04:27 <Lucifer> ooo, I just realized I can host a freeciv server finally!
04:27 <PinkTomato> r912 - r935
04:28 <Lucifer> maybe we can get PinkTomato (hi there!) to play freeciv
04:28 <PinkTomato> I would love to, but It's near 4am :D
04:28 <smoothice> luke-jr: Can you help me write a plugin?
04:29 <Lucifer> PinkTomato: that's when freeciv starts
04:29 <Lucifer> the sunrise is supposed to warn you that I'm about to invade you
04:29 <PinkTomato> lol :)
04:30 <luke-jr> smoothice: why
04:30 <smoothice> luke-jr: because you're nice and want to help the community?
04:30 <Lucifer> hah
04:30 <Lucifer> wrong twice!
04:30 <luke-jr> smoothice: why not a webapp
04:30 <Lucifer> what kind of plugin are you trying to write, smoothice?
04:30 <smoothice> a plugin what will report the status of my armagetron servers
04:30  * Lucifer quietly points out that luke-jr only knows enough python to get someone's jealous boyfriend to pick a fight with him
04:30 <luke-jr> yeah, you really want a webapp :þ
04:31 <smoothice> I already have a webapp
04:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: uh, what?
04:31 <smoothice> for that
04:31 <smoothice> http://smootharma.homelinux.com
04:31 <luke-jr> ]web fetch http://smootharma.homelinux.com
04:31 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html>\n\t<head>\n\t\t<title>Smooth\'s Armagetron Servers</title>\n\t</head>\n\t<body>\n\t<style type=text/css>\n\t#OnlineText\n\t{\n\tcolor: #33dd00;\n\t}\n\t\n\t#OfflineText\n\t{\n\tcolor: #ff0000;\n\t}\n\t</style>\n\t<h1>Smooth\'s Armagetron (1 more message)
04:31 <Lucifer> then use the web plugin to fetch it :)
04:31 <smoothice> ]web
04:31 <ljrbot> smoothice: Error: "web" is not a valid command.
04:31 <smoothice> Whoa
04:31 <smoothice> Now THAT'S clever
04:31 <smoothice> :P
04:32 <smoothice> How do I make a command?
04:32 <Lucifer> alias
04:32 <Lucifer> #list alias
04:32 <@armabot> Lucifer: monologue, roulette, #lags, #noob, #ratchet, /me, 42, aawiki, action, add, afl, aka, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, arrow, as, babel, ball, bigbrother, bigos, bing, botsnack, bounce, brb, bug, bye, bzr, c, cafe, cat, cfg, cfg2, chainfight, chatlog, check, cheers, cinf, cink, commands, cookie, corn, crashme, crazylate, ctos, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, (5 more messages)
04:32 <Lucifer> #help alias
04:32 <@armabot> Lucifer: Error: There is no command "alias".
04:32 <smoothice> #corn
04:32 <@armabot> CORN!
04:32 <Lucifer> er
04:32 <Lucifer> #q
04:32 <smoothice> wow
04:32 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #50: "<epsy_> MrBougo, X frozed <epsy_> no more wrtl+alt+del" (added by epsy at 03:53 PM, July 09, 2007)
04:32 <smoothice> #cookie
04:32 <Lucifer> haha
04:32 <luke-jr> ]alias add
04:32 <ljrbot> luke-jr: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and (1 more message)
04:32 <@armabot> smoothice: (cookie <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "send $1 a cookie".
04:32 <Lucifer> I haven't seen that one :)
04:32 <Lucifer> #send smoothice a big fucking clue
04:32 <@armabot> I have sent a big fucking clue to smoothice, it should arrive shortly.
04:33 <smoothice> crud
04:33 <smoothice> Is that bad?
04:33 <smoothice> lol
04:33 <Lucifer> heh
04:33 <Lucifer> #send smoothice a nuclear warhead
04:33 <@armabot> I have sent a nuclear warhead to smoothice, it should arrive shortly.
04:33 <smoothice> >.<
04:33 <smoothice> #send luke-jr a brain
04:33 <@armabot> I have sent a brain to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:33 <smoothice> lol
04:33 <Lucifer> #q
04:33 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer and GodTodd a freeciv client
04:33 <@armabot> Lucifer: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
04:33 <luke-jr> it's not perfect
04:33 <@armabot> I have sent and GodTodd a freeciv client to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
04:33 <smoothice> #q
04:33 <@armabot> smoothice: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
04:34 <Lucifer> #send "Lucifer and Godtodd" a freeciv client
04:34 <@armabot> I have sent a freeciv client to Lucifer and Godtodd, it should arrive shortly.
04:34 <smoothice> &dns armagetronad.net
04:34 <smoothbot> smoothice:
04:34 <smoothbot> lol
04:34 <Lucifer> &dns myasshole.net
04:34 <smoothbot> Lucifer:
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04:35 <Lucifer> quick, everybody ping it!
04:35 <smoothice> damnit you guys
04:35 <luke-jr> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=193 ms
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04:35 <smoothice> lol
04:35 <smoothice> ping your ass hole?
04:35 <smoothice> How can I do that?
04:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you hosting?
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04:36 <Lucifer> eh?  oh shit, you really want to play?  heh
04:36 <luke-jr> XD
04:36 <Lucifer> lemme put some food in the microwave and then I'll host :)
04:36 <luke-jr> want my startup cfg?
04:37 <luke-jr> hey, our wives aren't around to complain anymore
04:38 <Lucifer> roger that
04:38 <Lucifer> the second part
04:38 <Lucifer> what's in your startup cfg?
04:39 <luke-jr> ton of crap ☺
04:39 <luke-jr> http://pastebin.com/m59f8c995
04:40 <luke-jr> I usually undo the Nov 2008 part and go back to size1 aifill20
04:41 <Lucifer> oops, I closed my text editor after saving it, heh
04:42 <Lucifer> er, is that for 2.1?
04:42 <luke-jr> yeah
04:42 <Lucifer> there's a warruleset for 2.1?
04:43 <luke-jr> not that I know of
04:43 <Lucifer> foodbox at 25 is playable?
04:43 <luke-jr> plenty of errors starting with that config, I ignore them
04:43 <luke-jr> I do it all the tiem
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04:45 <Lucifer> er, they changed the port for 2.1 to 5556, didn't they?
04:47 <luke-jr> yes
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04:48 <Lucifer> anybody else for freeciv?
04:49 <luke-jr> wanna call spidey/
04:49 <luke-jr> ?
04:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: This command is disabled (supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum is set to 0).
04:50 <luke-jr> …'
04:51 <smoothice> luke-jr: What is yours set to?
04:51 <luke-jr> dunno
04:51 <maclover201> hmm
04:52 <smoothice> ]config supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum
04:52 <ljrbot> smoothice: 2048
04:52 <smoothice> there we go :D
04:52 <maclover201> Hurrah!
04:52 <smoothice> lol
04:53 <maclover201> :
04:53 <maclover201> D
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04:55 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
04:55 <@armabot> pong
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
04:55 <@armabot> pong
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> you call him  :)
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, freeciv 2.1, port 5556, www.davefancella.com
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> I timed out because my stupid router has to reset itself every time I change the port forwarding
04:56 <maclover201> Mine too; that annoys me
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: freeciv?
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05:07 <Lucifer_arma> Stewah: freeciv?
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05:08 <Stewah> Dude, I haven't played freeciv in months D:
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, freeciv 2.1, port 5556, www.davefancella.com
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05:10 <Lucifer> last call
05:11 <luke-jr> BabyBug: ct|kyle GodTodd noob13 P4 smoothice Stewah StickyNo1b wrtlprnft
05:11 <smoothice> huh?
05:11 <Lucifer> freeciv?
05:12 <smoothice> I don't play
05:12 <luke-jr> always a first
05:12 <smoothice> :/
05:18 <GodTodd> #freeciv
05:18 <@armabot> If luke-jr is playing then it logically follows that GodTodd isn't.
05:18 <GodTodd> haha it's still there :)
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05:38 <smoothice> &smoothservers
05:38 <smoothbot> smoothice: DF: Online -- Sumo: Offline --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
05:48 <smoothice> luke-jr: Got that all setup... thanks for your help
05:54 <hang3r> that game is far too hard for my simple mind lucifer
06:02 <smoothice> ]list web
06:02 <ljrbot> smoothice: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
06:03 <Lucifer> hang3r: it would be easier if we didn't have such a fucked up configuration
06:03 <Lucifer> heh
06:03 <smoothice> lol
06:03 <Lucifer> normally you start in a space by yourself and have a few turns to collect your thoughts
06:03 <smoothice> How's the freeciv?
06:04 <luke-jr> XD
06:04 <smoothice> Is it good?
06:04 <smoothice> &smoothservers
06:04 <smoothbot> smoothice: --- DF: Online --- Sumo: Offline --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
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06:09 <smoothice> &smoothservers
06:09 <smoothbot> smoothice: --- DF: Online --- Sumo: Offline --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
06:09 <Lucifer> heh, it's a little different :)
06:10 <Lucifer> finally cleared out my immediate vicinity of bad guys
06:18 <smoothice> #google
06:18 <@armabot> smoothice: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
06:18 <smoothice> #list web
06:18 <@armabot> smoothice: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
06:19 <smoothice> &smoothservers
06:19 <smoothbot> smoothice: --- DF: Online --- Sumo: Offline --- Capture the Flag Shooting: Offline --- Hold the Flag: Offline --- Styball: Offline
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06:26 <GodTodd> #last --from Lucifer --with "sshfs www"
06:27 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 27895 messages.
06:27 <GodTodd> #last --from Lucifer --with sshfs
06:27 <@armabot> GodTodd: [04:18:01] <Lucifer> but I am considering removing the svn hook that generates the site and going to a sshfs thing
06:27 <GodTodd> #last --from Lucifer --with sshfs www
06:27 <@armabot> GodTodd: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
06:27 <Lucifer> #last --from Lucifer --with sshfs --nolimit
06:27 <@armabot> Lucifer: [04:18:01] <Lucifer> but I am considering removing the svn hook that generates the site and going to a sshfs thing, [04:16:17] <Lucifer> sshfs mounts the remote directory using ssh for communication :), [04:15:51] <Lucifer> did you do the sshfs part too?, [04:14:00] <Lucifer> sshfs godtodd@www.toddmacy.com:/www/todd /path/to/your/working/directory, [04:12:47] <Lucifer> sudo apt-get (1 more message)
06:27 <GodTodd> ah, yeah
06:27 <GodTodd> heh
06:28 <GodTodd> thanks :)
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07:31 <hang3r> #last armabot
07:31 <@armabot> hang3r: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
07:49 <Lucifer> luke-jr: ping
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08:04 <Lucifer> #ping
08:04 <@armabot> pong
08:25 <Lucifer> luke-jr: ping
08:25 <Lucifer> did he go to sleep?
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09:51 <guru3> crap.
09:56  * wrtlprnft agrees
09:57 <guru3> i'm gonna die :<
09:57 <guru3> anywho
09:57 <guru3> afk
09:59 <wrtlprnft> err, please don't?
10:00 <guru3> TWG
10:00 <wrtlprnft> ah
10:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8707 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: make the validator stfu
10:04 <@armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
10:07 <Lucifer> everyone's still shooting in the dark in TWG
10:07 <wrtlprnft> except the wolves i assume
10:08 <wrtlprnft> (and i'm not a wolf and i can prove it!)
10:09 <Lucifer> heh
10:09 <Lucifer> you're not in the game, eh?
10:29 <Lucifer> #ping
10:29 <@armabot> pong
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11:20 <Lucifer> #math calc 932.37+100-450
11:20 <@armabot> Lucifer: 582.37
11:21 <Lucifer> #math calc 300-31.33
11:21 <@armabot> Lucifer: 268.67
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12:02 <hang3r> hope everyone is having an awesome new years
12:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i will
12:04 <wrtlprnft> in 12 hours
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12:22 <hang3r> 1 hour 30 mins for us :)
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12:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8708 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/ (index.php releases_filter.php): fixed &nbsp; screwup
12:49 <@armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
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13:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8709 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Merging own work.
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13:16 <Lucifer> whoah, is z-man back from the island now?
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13:45 <z-man> I'm not on an island.
13:46 <akira_arma> you sure?
13:46 <Lucifer> I thought lisbions lived on islands
13:50 <z-man> That's Lesbos.
13:56 <Lucifer> heh, I had an insttructor a few semesters ago who's from Greece
13:56 <Lucifer> he loved to tell his students at the beginning of the semester that his mother was a Lesbian until she died, in  her 80s
13:56 <Lucifer> and then wait until the end of the semester to say she was from Lesbos
13:57 <Lucifer> so, are you back from Lisbon now?
13:58 <z-man> No, but my mother-in-law has quite high tech internet stuff here without knowing it :)
13:58 <Lucifer> :)
13:59 <Lucifer> this torrent has had an eta of 4 hours for about three days now
13:59 <Lucifer> less than half a gig left to download
14:00 <z-man> what is it exactly? The new HD version of the classics?
14:00 <Lucifer> no, next generation
14:00 <Lucifer> I even toggled off the first two seasons, so it's only the last 5 seasons
14:01 <Lucifer> small hard drive, the whole download is 17GB, about
14:01 <z-man> good stuff, that.
14:01 <Lucifer> well, I also ripped all 5 harry potter movies this past week, and aeon flux, total recall, and pete's dragon (for my kids, really!)
14:02 <Lucifer> maybe I should be burning those instead of waiting for star trek to finish :)
14:02 <z-man> but then you wouldn't have an exuse for not working.
14:02 <Lucifer> indeed
14:03 <Lucifer> when I'm not working, I'm looking for a job, so it's a good excuse :)
14:03 <z-man> yeah :)
14:03 <z-man> anyway, gotta run.
14:03 <Lucifer> have fun
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14:27 <hang3r> Lucifer: aeon flux isn't worth  it, b grade shit
14:27 <Lucifer> ?  I really enjoyed it, thank you very much
14:27 <Lucifer> it had everything I was expecting from it, after all :)
14:27 <hang3r> The island was better
14:28 <Lucifer> what island?
14:28 <hang3r> "The island"
14:28 <Lucifer> ah
14:28 <Lucifer> did you ever see the original aeon flux cartoons on mtv?
14:28 <hang3r> no
14:28 <Lucifer> back when they were just shorts as part of liquid television?
14:28 <Lucifer> that's where the disconnect is, then, no doubt :)
14:28 <Lucifer> see if you can torrent them or something
14:28 <hang3r> <--- aussie land remember
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14:29 <Lucifer> well, the movie stands on its own, but it's really targeted at fans of the cartoons
14:29 <Lucifer> I can't imagine someone who's expecting sci-fi that hasn't seen the cartoons liking it much
14:29 <hang3r> yeah well aeon flux made no sence, so if there was some kind of series to then I suppose it would make sense
14:29 <hang3r> btw, im seing tripe
14:29 <hang3r> le
14:30 <hang3r> lol
14:30 <Lucifer> you drink too much
14:30 <hang3r> its new years 2009
14:30 <hang3r> here
14:30 <hang3r> mate happy new year
14:30 <hang3r> :)\
14:30 <Lucifer> so what's the new year like, for those of us who still won't see it for another 16 hours or so?
14:31 <hang3r> pretty shit, at least, my frends have all move to other states and i dont see them any more
14:31 <hang3r> thats about it all
14:31 <hang3r> never take friends for granted imo
14:31 <Lucifer> roger that
14:32 <Lucifer> I'm tempted to try to release an autopackage for 0.3.1 compiled with -DLUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS
14:32 <hang3r> haha, ill compile in my chatbot
14:32 <hang3r> do it
14:32 <hang3r> ill submit you a patch
14:33 <Lucifer> man, I don't really feel like handcoding another dialog
14:34 <hang3r> alll thats on tv is aussie fucking music, mind you its good, but fuck it
14:34 <Lucifer> but I also don't want to draw it in qt designer
14:34 <hang3r> fuck its fun being wasted
14:34 <hang3r> ive still got at least 3-4 more beers before i pass out i expect
14:35 <hang3r> <3 life
14:36 <hang3r> im getting sick of kde, everything is borked and illogical, im going back to gnome where everything is easy
14:36 <hang3r> kopete < gaaim
14:36 <hang3r> konversation < xchat
14:37 <hang3r> etc
14:37 <hang3r> fuck it, i dont mind if i talk to myself
14:38 <hang3r> its that time of year
14:38 <hang3r> fuck you all
14:39 <hang3r> by the time i wake up, it'll be your time for wastedness,, so I can laugh at you :)
14:43 <hang3r> armabot: akira_arma BabyBug emphasis fonkay GodTodd guru3 ivantis Lucifer luke-jr noob13 P4 Pricey Stewah StickyNo1b The_Master Ttech[daedalus] wrtlprnft, happy new year mates, its piss up in aussie land
14:44 <hang3r> have fuuuun
15:17 <StickyNo1b> dear lord, is it the 1st already in some countries
15:18 <akira_arma> ?
15:18 <akira_arma> does that matter?
15:19 <Lucifer> it is the seasonal new year
15:19 <Lucifer> er, what's the fancy word for it?
15:19 <StickyNo1b> given that i havnt even though about getting ready to go out...yes
15:19 <akira_arma> its a day liek every other...
15:19 <akira_arma> like*
15:19 <StickyNo1b> *thought
15:20 <akira_arma> it hasnt even a historic or cosmological background :/
15:20 <fonkay> that's right
15:20 <akira_arma> just some stupid calendar which is probably off anyways ;)
15:21 <StickyNo1b> neither does christmas, dosn't stop you getting pissed for the hell of it
15:21 <hang3r> lolo, fuccktasrds
15:21 <hang3r> :D
15:21 <akira_arma> someoneseems drunk already :)
15:21 <hang3r> no wway
15:21 <hang3r> ill still kill you in 1v1
15:21 <hang3r> :Ld
15:22 <akira_arma> i doubt that
15:22 <hang3r> <3 you though
15:22 <hang3r> i love the whole world
15:23 <Lucifer> ok, turns out the Gregorian calendar is supposed to approximate the solar year
15:23 <akira_arma> no shit
15:23 <Lucifer> but it actually comes closer to the vernal equinox year, meaning the equinoxes always happen on particular dates
15:23 <hang3r> Lucifer: stfu, and have my children
15:23 <Lucifer> look, my new year starts on November 20, I don't know about yours...
15:23 <StickyNo1b> hang3r: souldnt you be drunkenly trying to molest a kangeroo by now?
15:23 <Lucifer> StickyNo1b: he's already spent from that
15:24 <hang3r> kanga has alreaady had babies
15:24 <hang3r> i call them minihang
15:24 <hang3r> okk so im not funnyyy afer reaading that
15:24 <hang3r> looolll]
15:25 <hang3r> butr if you were as wasted a me, you'd say "Lucifer, you're a smack tard, if I were you I'd slash my rists"
15:25 <StickyNo1b> i was reading something a while bakc about they were thinking of redefining time it try to eliminate the leap seconds
15:26 <hang3r> StickyNo1b: it wouldn't change the timezone so in effect it would be pointless
15:26 <hang3r> we need an universal time schema
15:26 <StickyNo1b> i would make a whitty comment abut lucifers rists but my spelling is no prize either
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15:27 <Lucifer> well, the problem is that the earth is slowly moving away from the sun
15:27 <Lucifer> iirc
15:27 <hang3r> StickyNo1b: omg you're an aussie two??!!??
15:27 <Lucifer> leap seconds have to be inserted every now and then, or the second itself has to be made slightly longer
15:27 <StickyNo1b> Lucifer: not its getting closer iirc
15:27 <Lucifer> hmmm, maybe it's how seconds are counted then, that's the problem
15:27 <hang3r> Lucifer: it makes no difference to me,we still need an universal time
15:28 <Lucifer> they're taken from the caesium atom somehow, I forget how :)
15:28 <Lucifer> hang3r: we have a universal time
15:28 <hang3r> Lucifer: so how come you are npot as wasted as me at this moment?
15:28 <Lucifer> at noon, everywhere on the planet, the sun is at its highest point in the sky
15:28 <Lucifer> how can that not be universal?
15:28 <Lucifer> hang3r: it's 8am on Dec 31 here :)
15:28 <StickyNo1b> hang3r: since its mid day here
15:29 <hang3r> 1.30am here, still got 4 beers to go
15:29 <hang3r> so, like I said, everyone needs to conform to some time standaaard
15:29 <StickyNo1b> Lucifer: oh no you are right it is away... you win this round
15:31 <hang3r> fucktards yet again, like i said, univeral time standard that everyone applys to their current time standard
15:31 <hang3r> allowing everyone to celibrate at the same time
15:32 <hang3r> it's ook if you're to simple minded to understand(luke-jr)
15:32 <hang3r> :D
15:32 <hang3r> :D!@#
15:32 <hang3r> !@@$#
15:32 <hang3r> W$%#$%
15:33 <StickyNo1b> hang3r: then that would be just annoying, and mor confusing than the current system. people one side of EU/america would go to work at 9, the other side at 11(or whatever the tie diff is)
15:33 <Lucifer> it's like the glances in 0.3.0
15:33 <hang3r> StickyNo1b: That effects me how? :P
15:33 <Lucifer> it's only confusing for people who know the glances from 0.2.8
15:34 <hang3r> fuck off the glances in 0.3 are retarded
15:34 <Lucifer> but for people who've never seen 0.2.8, the glances in 0.3.0 are very logical, reasonable, and intuitive, and work very nicely
15:34 <hang3r> true
15:34 <Lucifer> damn, where's liz when you need someone's ass kicked in australia?
15:34 <hang3r> but you tyhey are still retarded and yiou know it
15:35 <Lucifer> oh no, I love the glances in 0.3.0
15:35 <hang3r> fag
15:35 <Lucifer> I'm so happy wrtlprnft accidentally committed them right before it was released
15:35 <hang3r> asdfg
15:35 <hang3r> ut hastnt been released yeeeert
15:35 <hang3r> i m fucaked
15:36 <StickyNo1b> id dissagree with that, (not that i have used 0.3.0 in months) but when you glance quickly after a turn in 0.3 its a lottery as to exactly what will happen
15:36 <hang3r> lo
15:36 <hang3r> l
15:36 <hang3r> kick me befiore i offend you
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15:39 <PinkTomato> Is it just me, or is ./bootstrap.sh not working in the new bzr 0.2.8?
15:50 <hang3r> its jusssst you
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15:50 <Lucifer> and the kangaroos
15:52 <P4> can anyone test /cmd dsers or other cmds on open sumo?
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15:54 <P4> hi kyle
15:56 <PinkTomato> I swear it is neither me or the kangaroos
15:56 <PinkTomato> earlier revisions work fine
15:57 <Lucifer> did you try cleaning your monitor?
15:57 <Lucifer> did you make sure you had enough bootstrap fluid in the reservoir?
15:58 <PinkTomato> No I didn't
15:58 <PinkTomato> -r961 works
15:59 <PinkTomato> -962,-963 and -964 don't
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16:08 <Lucifer> we'll need a better description of the problem than "doesn't work"
16:08 <Lucifer> anyway, I'm going to bed
16:08 <Lucifer> 'day
16:09 <PinkTomato> sorry
16:09 <PinkTomato> ok night :)
16:13 <PinkTomato> P4: cannot get /cmd dsers to work :S
16:17 <PinkTomato> z-man: your fix works :) Thanks
16:18 <z-man> goody.
16:18 <z-man> What's the problem Lucifer was referring to?
16:19 <PinkTomato> when i redownloaded it, ./bootstrap failed with segmentation fault on generating version
16:19 <PinkTomato> fixed it by ignoring epsy version change revisions
16:20 <z-man> umm, ./bootstrap is a shell script, if it fails with a segfault, the bug is with one of the programs it calls :)
16:20 <z-man> you're using bzr?
16:20 <PinkTomato> yeah
16:20 <z-man> Ah. reproduced.
16:21 <PinkTomato> ah glad its not just me :)
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8710 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. batch/make/version bootstrap.sh): (log message trimmed)
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Bazaarmagetron
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: Automatic merging of commits that would change history order:
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad:  revno: 964.1.1
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad:  committer: Manuel Moos <z-man@users.sf.net>
16:36 <@armabot> armagetronad:  branch nick: armagetronad
16:39 <z-man> Odd, that commit wouldn't have changed history in SVN.
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16:56 <z-man> aww, crap. bzr-svn doesn't like tags, and now we have one.
16:56  * z-man thinks fast
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17:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8711 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Disabling CASACL during RINCLUDE.
17:43 <smoothice> PinkTomato: What VPS plan do you get?
17:43 <PinkTomato> 256MB RAM
17:43 <smoothice> PinkTomato: oh ok
17:44 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Would 128 be ok for armagetron serverh osting?
17:44 <smoothice> PinkTomato: And maybe some other small stuff
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17:52 <z-man> Yeah. Main resource you want for server hosting is network bandwidth.
17:52 <z-man> Second most important is network bandwidth, too :)
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18:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8712 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp): Manuel Moos: Oops, fixed non-krawall compilation.
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18:27 <Lizmatic> o/
18:34 <smoothice> z-man: How much bandwidth is good for a no-lag server?
18:36 <smoothice> .si smooth
18:36 <smoothice> #si smoth
18:36 <@armabot> smoothice: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
18:37 <smoothice> #si smooth
18:37 <@armabot> smoothice: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
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18:48 <smoothice> #si smooth
18:48 <@armabot> smoothice: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
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19:04 <z-man> crud. wife broke her foot. That's going to be quite a vacation...
19:05 <SageLord> ouch...
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19:06 <smoothice> #si smooth
19:06 <@armabot> smoothice: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
19:11 <smoothice> z-man: How much bandwidth is good for a no-lag server?
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19:32 <z-man> available bandwith is usually not a problem with virtual servers. 10mbit/sec is plenty for a low lag server. what you pay for bandwidth actually used may be a problem.
19:37 <smoothice> z-man: upstream?
19:37 <z-man> yes
19:38 <smoothice> z-man: So 850 kbits up doesn't quit cut it? :P
19:38 <z-man> let's see, at fortress peak, you need 8 kBYTE/s per client
19:39 <z-man> that's 64 kbit/s per client and 1024 kbit/s total.
19:39 <smoothice> z-man: So for 12 players that's about 768 kBITS upstream
19:39 <z-man> it's borderline, I'd say.
19:40 <smoothice> ok
19:40 <z-man> depends on what you're doing, of course.
19:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8713 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Bazaarmagetron: Made more error tolerant.
19:44 <smoothice> z-man: How does it depend?
19:44 <z-man> What type of server you're running.
19:50 <smoothice> z-man: So something like sty would take a lot more than standard...
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19:57 <PinkTomato> smoothice: 128MB Ram might be a little low
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19:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: really?
19:58 <PinkTomato> smoothice: Well if you want apache & sql as well as arma
19:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: On my current server I've got apache, mysql, php, Svn, and two armagetron servers running
19:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: It's using about 100 MB of ram
19:58 <PinkTomato> !!
19:58 <eli8527> how much ram do u have in total
19:58 <PinkTomato> that's brilliant :)
19:58 <smoothice> PinkTomato: how is that brilliant?
19:59 <PinkTomato> The default configs are heavy for ram
19:59 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Also what Linux distro do you use?
19:59 <PinkTomato> you can reduce it
19:59 <PinkTomato> I use Ubuntu, because everyone else here does so it is easier to support
19:59 <smoothice> Yeah
19:59 <smoothice> That's my preferred.
19:59 <smoothice> But are you sure 128 wouldn't be enough?
19:59 <smoothice> I don't want to get too little
19:59 <smoothice> But
19:59 <smoothice> $10 is a nice price
20:00 <smoothice> or 5 pounds
20:00 <PinkTomato> I know, it's a shame they haven't got the special offer
20:00 <BabyBug> £7.50
20:00 <PinkTomato> they removed it just over christmas
20:00 <BabyBug> exchange rate sucks now =(
20:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: It's a UK company :)
20:00 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: but they take payment in either
20:01 <BabyBug> ooooooooooo
20:01 <PinkTomato> I'm glad i chose £'s
20:01 <smoothice> PinkTomato: I'm actually using 350 MB or ram
20:01 <smoothice> PinkTomato: on my server
20:01 <PinkTomato> ah,
20:01 <smoothice> of*
20:01 <PinkTomato> well if you use OpenVZ
20:01 <PinkTomato> you get burstable RAM
20:01 <PinkTomato> double to what you have
20:01 <smoothice> which does?
20:02 <PinkTomato> well its RAM you can temporarily use
20:02 <smoothice> How can you temporarily use RAM?
20:02 <PinkTomato> Well I have 256MB RAM, and I use 180MB
20:02 <PinkTomato> so that 80MB is not wasted
20:02 <eli8527> cant you also use virtual ram?
20:02 <PinkTomato> and is given to other users.
20:02 <smoothice> eli8527: Virtual RAM is slow
20:03 <PinkTomato> With OpenVZ you may not use swap memory
20:03 <eli8527> smoothice: wats ur point?
20:03 <PinkTomato> which is a right pain
20:03 <smoothice> PinkTomato: what about with Xen
20:03 <PinkTomato> Xen allows you to use swap memory instead
20:03 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Which one do you use?
20:03 <PinkTomato> and makes the virtual systems more seperate from each other
20:04 <PinkTomato> Xen does not allow Burstable Ram however, I use OpenVZ, as it was the only one available
20:04 <eli8527> &smoothbot
20:04 <smoothbot> eli8527: Error: "smoothbot" is not a valid command.
20:04 <eli8527> ??
20:04 <smoothice> PinkTomato: oh
20:04 <eli8527> smoothice: how do we get ur server statuses?
20:05 <PinkTomato> smoothice: suggest you use lighttpd, unless you are reselling
20:05 <smoothice> PinkTomato: So you use OpenVZ.... If I were to get a 128 MB VPS.. .Xen or OpenVZ?
20:05 <PinkTomato> I would look around for a deal
20:05 <PinkTomato> like I did
20:06 <PinkTomato> because I know deals like I had exist
20:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: I looked at VPSLink too
20:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: How much are you paying for 256 from cVps?
20:06 <eli8527> smoothice: why can't you use VPS on ur webserver that u alrady have since u have ur website
20:06 <PinkTomato> $£5.90 a month
20:06 <PinkTomato> £*
20:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Oh... good deal
20:07 <PinkTomato> That vpslink is expensive
20:07 <PinkTomato> they must give much better support though
20:08 <PinkTomato> Oh you can't configure your kernel with OpenVZ
20:08 <PinkTomato> Though I have never needed to
20:08 <PinkTomato> don't even know what that would achieve
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20:09 <smoothice> I'm just wondering about all this since my home server is about to die
20:10 <smoothice> And VPS seems like a cool thing. How do you run aramgetronad-dedicated? Doesn't it run in a terminal window?
20:11 <PinkTomato> screen -dmS armagetron-dedicated
20:11 <PinkTomato> there are some good examples on the wiki on how to do that properly
20:12 <PinkTomato> I have no idea what the bandwidth is like
20:15 <smoothice> ok
20:16 <PinkTomato> 8MBit's download to ftp-mirror.internap.com
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20:19 <smoothice> PinkTomato: CheapVPS seems to be the Cheapest VPS out there :/
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20:20 <PinkTomato> and they are usually cheaper than that
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20:21 <smoothice> PinkTomato: So should I wait? Or go ahead and get 128 and be done with it?
20:21 <smoothice> PinkTomato: or 256
20:24 <PinkTomato> well arma reaches 5% RAM when a server is full of 512MB
20:24 <PinkTomato> 25MB RAM max a server
20:25 <PinkTomato> you could pay per month
20:25 <PinkTomato> and cancel near the end if they release a deal
20:35 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8714 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/rakelib/aabeta.rake: Use #inspect in #make_php_assoc. Fixes issue with quoting bool values.
20:35 <@armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
20:40 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8715 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added missing rakelib/*.rake files to Xcode project.
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20:56 <smoothice> PinkTomato: So what would you recommended considering that I 1. Want a VPS. 2. Don't want to pay that much 3. Run a few small things (lighttpd, arma)
21:06 <PinkTomato> i'm not sure :\
21:06 <smoothice> PinkTomato: :/
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21:10 <smoothice> PinkTomato: How many arma servers do you run on one VPS?
21:10 <PinkTomato> thats subjective
21:11 <PinkTomato> you could run loads
21:11 <smoothice> PinkTomato: but how many do you run?
21:11 <PinkTomato> but the more you run hte less performance you'll get, I host 5/6
21:11 <smoothice> on a 256? can you tell me how much RAM one of those uses?
21:11 <PinkTomato> They peak at 30MB
21:12 <smoothice> So not that much...
21:13 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Do you run lighttpd?
21:13 <PinkTomato> and SQL
21:14 <smoothice> PinkTomato: how much do those take?
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21:20 <PinkTomato> 5MB + 30MB
21:21 <ct|kyle> did anyone see Tron on G4 today?
21:30 <PinkTomato> were we mentioned
21:30 <PinkTomato> ?
21:32 <PinkTomato> oh they show films on G4
21:32 <PinkTomato> I haven't seen Tron :)
21:33 <smoothice> haha
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21:39 <luke-jr> Lucifer: sorry ☹
21:39 <Corn> Hey do you guys know if my router might be the reason i can't play armagetron online? I got a new one and although obviously internet works because im here i can't get online in arma
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21:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: you should contact me for hosting :x
21:41 <smoothice> yah
21:42 <smoothice> How much would you charge for VPS?
21:43 <luke-jr> smoothice: PM?
21:44 <smoothice> ok
21:45 <PinkTomato> Corn: that sounds odd
21:45 <PinkTomato> does anything else fail?
21:45 <Corn> Well it just isnt connecting to the master servers as far as i can tell
21:46 <PinkTomato> can you custom connect?
21:46 <Corn> i havent tried that, i might
21:47 <Corn> Pink whats your server's address so i can check
21:47 <PinkTomato> armagetron.at 4539, fortress café :)
21:47 <Corn> ok
21:47 <Corn> 0.3 is nice how i can copy pasta :D
21:47 <PinkTomato> :D
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21:48 <Corn> server does not answer :/
21:48 <PinkTomato> actually i should have suggested mine,
21:48 <PinkTomato> i would have been able to see if there was a connection.
21:48 <Corn> ok
21:48 <PinkTomato> dessert.ath.cx on 4539
21:53 <smoothice> PinkTomato: is that on your VPS too?
21:54 <PinkTomato> everything on dessert.ath.cx in my vps
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21:56 <Ady-Lucifer> happy new year all
21:56 <Corn> 1200 ping is interesting to play with
21:56 <PinkTomato> It was odd though, you didn't seem to move like a 1200 player
21:56 <PinkTomato> you still had a tiny lag_o_meter
21:56 <Corn> thats cause i wasnt losing packets
21:57 <PinkTomato> Oh I see
21:57 <PinkTomato> yeah that would make sense
21:57 <Corn> basically slow reaction
21:57 <Corn> delayed but not laggy
21:59 <PinkTomato> shame though, people would still kick you
22:00 <PinkTomato> happy new year Ady-Lucifer!
22:00 <Ady-Lucifer> =)
22:01 <PinkTomato> has it just reached 12am where you are?
22:05 <Ady-Lucifer> nope still 2 hours left
22:05 <Ady-Lucifer> im not gonna be here then =)
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22:50 <smoothice> PinkTomato: So you cannot run a VNC server on the VPS can you?
22:51 <PinkTomato> well you can
22:51 <PinkTomato> but there is no point installing X
22:51 <PinkTomato> just a waste :)
22:56 <smoothice> PinkTomato: A waste of that 128 MB :P
22:56 <PinkTomato> yeah :D
22:56 <smoothice> PinkTomato: So you have SSH access and that's it?
22:56 <PinkTomato> yeap
22:56 <smoothice> ssh root?
22:56 <PinkTomato> yeap
22:56 <smoothice> ok cool
23:03 <smoothice> PinkTomato: From all of Armagetron servers and stuff how much bandwidth do you use per month? Is there somehwere in the control panel where you can check?
23:04 <PinkTomato> yeah its  like 20GB, its not perfect the check though
23:19 <luke-jr> :O
23:20 <smoothice> luke-jr: ???
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23:30 <Lizmatic> new year in 30 minutes..
23:31 <Lizmatic> i'm staying in, fucking fireworks
23:31 <smoothice> lol
23:32  * PinkTomato agreed
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