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Log from 2008-12-09:
--- Day changed Tue Dec 09 2008
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00:01 <dlh> madmax: yep, I'll fix it.
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00:07 <TaZ_> Hi
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00:08 <K-Yo> #bzr
00:08 <armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8 trunk) (bzr >= 1.0)
00:08 <TaZ_> hey K-Yo
00:09 <madmax> whoa, funky stats for the CT vs Kod match :)
00:09 <K-Yo> oi _t
00:09 <K-Yo> madmax, :P
00:09 <TaZ_> NoT was mad at you guys
00:11 <TaZ_> Cause you guys were "cocky"
00:18 <K-Yo> cocky?
00:18 <K-Yo> how's that?
00:19 <TaZ_> K-Yo: I guess it might have been the way you guys were bragging while you were playing the match
00:19 <TaZ_> I didn't stay the whole match, but I did hear some uncalled for things
00:19 <K-Yo> bragging? means like showing off?
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00:20 <TaZ_> Like "We lost, we didn't get a perfect hundred score for the match."
00:20 <K-Yo> TaZ_, look that: http://crazy-tronners.com/screenshots/ladle17/screenshot_179.png
00:20 <K-Yo> TaZ_, we did that indeed
00:21 <K-Yo> I recognise it was not nice
00:21 <TaZ_> If you want to bring up screenshots, please bring up the whole logs.
00:21 <TaZ_> I remember apparition saying you guys were unreal.
00:24 <TaZ_> K-Yo: I mean, me personally, have nothing against CT.
00:25 <PinkTomato> It wasn't too bad
00:25 <K-Yo> TaZ_, I got them
00:25 <TaZ_> I think it just gave a bad rep to CT.
00:25 <TaZ_> You do?
00:25 <K-Yo> TaZ_, if there is a problem, I can use them
00:25 <K-Yo> but someone from NoT as to talk to us about that
00:26 <TaZ_> K-Yo: I was just bringing something up to your attention
00:26 <K-Yo> :)
00:26 <K-Yo> I have to admit that disturbed me during the match
00:26 <TaZ_> Yea, thats np, I'm pretty sure all of NoT have gotten over it by now. ;)
00:26 <K-Yo> anyway, I wasn't really focused, talking to 23 all the time
00:26 <K-Yo> :)
00:26 <TaZ_> got ya! ;)
00:26 <K-Yo> anyway, if they need someone to hate for that, I do'nt mind :P
00:27 <TaZ_> heh
00:27 <TaZ_> Pinktomato, why did you leave our team?
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00:28 <PinkTomato> ?
00:28 <PinkTomato> I was there
00:28 <PinkTomato> all the way through
00:28 <TaZ_> Were you on NoT?
00:28 <PinkTomato> yeap
00:28 <ivantis> …
00:28 <ivantis> NoT?
00:28 <ivantis> the clan?
00:28 <PinkTomato> I wasn't doing at all well
00:28 <TaZ_> ...ooo sry, hehe.
00:28 <PinkTomato> NoT was a collobration
00:28 <TaZ_> No ivantis.
00:29 <ivantis> NoT was also the clan that i started
00:29 <ivantis> Network of Tronners
00:29 <ivantis> it failed
00:29 <ivantis> terribly
00:29 <TaZ_> That noob clan?
00:29 <ivantis> yes
00:29 <TaZ_> That clan*
00:29  * ivantis started it
00:29 <PinkTomato> that's why you didn't see me, I spent most f the match at the bottom of the scoreboard :)
00:29 <TaZ_> PinkTomato: lol
00:30 <TaZ_> I was supposed to play pos.1, but I guess saibot changed it last minuet.
00:30 <TaZ_> ivantis: How's that freelancing going?
00:31 <ivantis> weird
00:31 <TaZ_> oo boy
00:31 <ivantis> i havent heard back from this guy in like 10 days
00:31 <ivantis> maybe he got hit by a bus
00:31 <TaZ_> Then what's his face was right
00:31 <ivantis> who?
00:31 <TaZ_> luke-jr was right
00:31 <TaZ_> He said the guy probably found another person to do the job once he found out your age.
00:31 <TaZ_> You're like 11.
00:32 <ivantis> he didnt found out my age
00:32 <ivantis> 14 noob
00:32 <TaZ_> ah
00:32 <TaZ_> lolz
00:32 <TaZ_> same thing
00:32 <ivantis> and he hasnt hired anyone
00:32 <ivantis> else
00:33 <PinkTomato> well you can't expect someone else to increase yr clan
00:33 <PinkTomato> i have never seen you play...
00:33 <TaZ_> ahaha
00:34 <K-Yo> well
00:34 <K-Yo> ttime to sleep
00:34 <K-Yo> gn everyone
00:34 <TaZ_> G'nite K-Yo
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00:35 <TaZ_> PinkTomato: I barely see you on either.
00:36 <TaZ_> In fact 78.5% of people on here don't play tron regularly.
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00:37 <PinkTomato> TaZ_: I play lots.
00:38 <TaZ_> Really?
00:38 <TaZ_> under another name?
00:38 <PinkTomato> nope
00:39 <PinkTomato> I usually play UK lunchtime
00:39 <TaZ_> ah
00:39 <PinkTomato> I don't play much recently
00:40 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8641 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp: Silence warning on Mac OS X about s_topSourceDir
00:50 <dlh> madmax: should work now
00:53 <madmax> k :)
00:54 <dlh> You'll need to delete macosx_build_information.yml to get the new version to generate
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00:58 <madmax> yeah, I eventually got it working some time ago. not quite sure what I did then though. so I thought I'd tell you
01:08 <zmanuel> Are the admins of the WIld West servers reachable?
01:09 <PinkTomato> I haven't seen Manta on IRC in a while, best bet would be forums
01:16 <TaZ_> zmanuel
01:16 <TaZ_> No
01:16 <TaZ_> Which server?
01:17 <zmanuel> Sumo was the one I tested
01:17 <zmanuel> It's affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/306245
01:17 <zmanuel> It sends untranslated strings to the clients sometimes and messes up the console rendering.
01:18 <zmanuel> I suspect an installation error, either by the admins or by the setup system.
01:18 <zmanuel> And I don't even know which version they're running precisely, the code branches have kind of multiplied recently :)
01:19 <PinkTomato> hmm I've seen it once actually
01:19 <TaZ_> ah
01:21 <TaZ_> zmanuel: I can get in contact with Codehunter. He is an admin at WW sumo.
01:24 <zmanuel> I need the person who did the installation, unfortunately.
01:24 <TaZ_> Oh, sorry I can't help you then.
01:24 <TaZ_> Manta has been away from a while, and Destiny is supposedly taking a break
01:24 <zmanuel> I'll just post on their forums. Boy, I hate registering on forums.
01:25 <TaZ_> same here
01:26 <zmanuel> Heh, they're using CatCha's :)
01:27 <TaZ_> Is that a good thing? ;)
01:29 <ivantis> &french
01:29 <perlbot2> J'ai un porc dans mon nez.
01:30 <zmanuel> TaZ_: It's cute :) A bit annoying, though.
01:30 <TaZ_> :)
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01:49 <ivantis> &spanish
01:49 <perlbot2> Tengo un puerco en la nariz.
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02:01 <Monkey_arma> that colour captcha on the wiki is really fucking people up
02:01 <Monkey_arma> lol
02:01 <TaZ_> zmanuel: Destiny just told Manta about it.
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02:02 <TaZ_> zmanuel: Dest says you should Have IM Manta, but he's heading on the channel now.
02:05 <Monkey_arma> TaZ_ you seen ID forums lately?
02:05 <TaZ_> Yes, cloaket has done it again.
02:06 <Monkey_arma> ye
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02:07 <Manta> z-man?
02:07 <TaZ_> They banned him though
02:09 <Monkey_arma> Manta its zmanuel
02:09 <Monkey_arma> (to highlight)
02:11 <Manta> is it only that server? I'm running that version across them all
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02:21 <ct|kyle> Manta: he said earlier that he only tried it in sumo
02:21 <Manta> ok
02:23 <ct|kyle> Manta: do you build it with CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=
02:26 <Manta> no, I did not find a list of flags so I'm just using the default dedicated server
02:27 <ct|kyle> ah it would be nice if you used that for the lade server, so it can support more than 16 clients
02:28 <Manta> ok cool, I had been hunting for how to do that
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02:30 <Manta> I'll enable that,
02:31 <ct|kyle> i useually set it to 32 when i compile (plenty of room if needed)
02:31 <ct|kyle> but you should get a list with ./configure --help
02:33 <Monkey_arma> kyle ./configure --help does NOT have those
02:33 <Monkey_arma> and I thought that max_clients was automatically higher than 16 in recent alphas no?
02:34 <Monkey_arma> ct|kyle
02:35 <ct|kyle> really i thought it was defaulted to 16
02:35 <Monkey_arma> im not sure that is why im asking. I know it is for old servers but I thought not for new.
02:36 <Monkey_arma> well default yes
02:36 <Monkey_arma> but i mean that you can actually increase the clients with max_clients
02:37 <Monkey_arma> ok confirmed ct|kyle and Manta
02:37 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: not if it is not compied with  the flag, look at pink's server for ladle
02:37 <Monkey_arma> depends on his version
02:38 <Monkey_arma> although he said he uses newish
02:38 <Monkey_arma> i will check
02:38 <ct|kyle> ok you can check :)
02:38 <Monkey_arma> common sense would tell me that it allows you to increase max_clients by default
02:38 <Monkey_arma> also
02:38 <ct|kyle> it would have changed in the last few months then
02:39 <Monkey_arma> to not allow max_clients to be altered by an admin by default is not just stupid its insane
02:39 <ct|kyle> i'll go check in tea
02:39 <Monkey_arma> it that is the case then its madness
02:39 <Monkey_arma> ye
02:40 <ct|kyle> ladle*
02:40 <ct|kyle> tea runs older version
02:40 <Monkey_arma> hmk
02:44 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: seams like it stops at 32
02:44 <Monkey_arma> 32 is a hell of a lot better than 16
02:44 <ct|kyle> i set it to 50 but changed back to 32 (what i set cxx flag for
02:44 <Monkey_arma> in fact, its enough for all of our current needs
02:44 <ct|kyle> 16 is default compiling
02:44 <ct|kyle> 32 is what i compiled it with
02:44 <Monkey_arma> how sure are you for new server versions?
02:45 <ct|kyle> THAT IS LATEST
02:45 <Monkey_arma> but how do you know that if you didnt put 32 it would be 16?
02:45 <ct|kyle> oops actually r899
02:45 <ct|kyle> let me compile a new one
02:45 <Monkey_arma> ye do that
02:45 <Monkey_arma> your logic is fail
02:55 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: well it says 150 but i don't think you can get more than 16 in it
02:55 <Monkey_arma> well try
02:56 <ct|kyle> bet 16 people to come it
02:56 <Monkey_arma> try changing it using /admin max_clients 32
02:56 <Monkey_arma> if it resets then you know
02:56 <ct|kyle> .si ess 1
02:56 <tronner> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 1: Players (1/150): ct¤ky13 (kyle@ct)
02:56 <ct|kyle> but we had it set to 24 dy default and it was at 16
02:57 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: just changed back to 16
02:57 <Monkey_arma> ?
02:57 <Monkey_arma> i dont understand you
02:58 <Monkey_arma> my point is that max_clients on some servers can not be changed at all, even using max_clients N
02:58 <Monkey_arma> well, over 16
02:59 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: you can change it but as soon as a new player comes in it defaults it back to 16
02:59 <Monkey_arma> righ
02:59 <Monkey_arma> lets test
03:01 <Monkey_arma> that is seriously, seriously stupid
03:01 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: go in and change it to 20
03:01 <Monkey_arma> i will
03:01 <ct|kyle> then i'll com in
03:01 <ct|kyle> let me know when
03:02 <Monkey_arma> fofo and psyko on!
03:02 <Monkey_arma> anyway sry back to test
03:02 <ct|kyle> it says 26 in the list right now
03:03 <ct|kyle> when you go in it will change to 16
03:03 <Monkey_arma> it did
03:03 <ct|kyle> so set it to 20
03:03 <Monkey_arma> k
03:03 <Monkey_arma> ok 20
03:03 <Monkey_arma> done
03:03 <ct|kyle> i saw
03:03 <ct|kyle> :P
03:04 <Monkey_arma> ok ct|kyle you are right
03:04 <Monkey_arma> i just cant believe this
03:04 <Monkey_arma> its crazy
03:04 <dlh> ?
03:04 <Monkey_arma> can there be any justification?
03:05 <ct|kyle> i think so the server knows how to allocate the players
03:05 <Monkey_arma> dlh you can not , by default, change max clients to more than 16 even on newest server versions.
03:05 <Monkey_arma> lol ct|kyle
03:05 <ct|kyle> [0] as server [16] being last player
03:06 <Monkey_arma> call me crazy but i can see no justification
03:06 <ct|kyle> I know that CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS= is useful for when luke-jr builds a server
03:07 <ct|kyle> anyway CT ladle 1 gets an update :P
03:08 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: i;m going to kill it to restart it with the update
03:08 <Monkey_arma> ok
03:08 <Monkey_arma> update meaning...? you recompile it?
03:08 <dlh> I think the 16 client limit is a little low, but I don't think it is crazy to restrict the setting of max_clients to some bounds
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03:11 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: ya with 32 as max
03:12 <ct|kyle> and latest bzr now
03:12 <ct|kyle> it was 912
03:12 <Monkey_arma> dlh i mean the fact that 16 is too low
03:12 <Monkey_arma> common sense should tell us that ..fort has been around for a long time now.
03:13 <Monkey_arma> 32 should be the absolute minimum if there is a limit.
03:13 <dlh> yeah, I agree
03:13 <ct|kyle> ya but it was not that long ago that we had only 5 vs 5 matches
03:14 <Monkey_arma> i played 2 years ago in the ladle. it was 8v8
03:14 <Monkey_arma> ...
03:14 <ct|kyle> but not 100% of the time
03:15 <ct|kyle> oh in ladle
03:15 <ct|kyle> but everything but the ladle was usually less than 8vs 8
03:15 <Monkey_arma> so now the limit is 32 by default in newest versions?
03:15 <dlh> no, it is still 16
03:15 <Monkey_arma> jeez
03:16 <dlh> I think I will change it now 32...
03:16 <Monkey_arma> are you responsible for this dlh? :P
03:16 <ct|kyle> i think 24 would be a nice default though, we should not allocate more memory than we need
03:16 <Monkey_arma> ct|kyle !
03:16 <Monkey_arma> lmao
03:16 <Monkey_arma> do you know how much memory uses?
03:17 <ct|kyle> maybe in another year that will have to be bumped up
03:17 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: nope, probably not too much
03:17 <dlh> Monkey_arma: nope, that would be z-man :)
03:19 <Monkey_arma> #later tell z-man 16 maximum clients as default!! You are very naughty.
03:19 <armabot> Monkey_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:19 <dlh> I'll let it be z-man's decision whether or not raise the limit, but I will add a message to warn the the user when they set max_clients to a value greater than the max bound
03:19 <Monkey_arma> k
03:19 <Monkey_arma> i will post on the forums tomorrow
03:20 <ct|kyle> should add something in the wiki about it
03:20 <ct|kyle> along with the other flags we can use
03:20 <Monkey_arma> i think someone needs to add that to ./configure --help or w/e
03:20 <Monkey_arma> its kinda important
03:21 <ct|kyle> see wiki page for more info on flags
03:21 <ct|kyle> and have them listed there
03:21 <Monkey_arma> well something needs to be in ./configure --help
03:22 <ct|kyle> i agree with you there
03:22 <Monkey_arma> it is so important that an option would be nice
03:22 <Monkey_arma>  --max_clients or w/e
03:23 <ct|kyle>  ./configure  CXXFLAGS=-DMAXCLIENTS=
03:23 <ct|kyle> :P
03:23 <Monkey_arma>  thats a little less obvious
03:23 <Monkey_arma> but both
03:24 <Monkey_arma>  --enable-maxclients=
03:24 <Monkey_arma> and that
03:24 <Monkey_arma> or w/e
03:24 <ct|kyle> post a thread about it :P
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03:29 <Monkey_arma> i will dont worry...tomorrow
03:30 <ct|kyle> heh
03:30 <Monkey_arma> :P
03:40 <Paralyzed> my map: http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn195/catchmewiththemusic/loco.png
03:40 <Paralyzed> made with armabell
03:47 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: wtf?
03:48 <TaZ_> luke-jr: please go away
03:48 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: was not talking to you, just about you
03:48 <luke-jr> /kick TaZ_
03:48 <luke-jr> wtf does -DMAXCLIENTS have to do with me?
03:48 <TaZ_> lol
03:48 <ct|kyle> don't you use that for the servers you host?
03:48 <TaZ_> luke-jr, why are you so "cocky"
03:49 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: probably use a patch
03:50 <ct|kyle> oh
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07:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8644 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tConfiguration.h): Daniel Lee Harple: Corrected conditional
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12:29 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8645 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rGL.cpp): Manuel Moos: Less noisy OpenGL error reporting.
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13:04 <z-man-work> Would anyone here happen to be able to decipher and translate Arabic?
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16:30 <epsy> z-man-work, as for the maxclients issue, is there a reason we're not using a tArray or an std::set ?
16:31 <z-man-work> Yes, speed and memory fragmentation.
16:31 <z-man-work> Not very strong issues, I admit, but I wouldn't change things in 0.2.8.
16:31 <z-man-work> If there's a change, it should be done right, and just replacing the static with a dynamic array is not right :)
16:32 <epsy> yeah, that's definitely not for .2.8, but putting limits like this isn't what we want for the future
16:32 <z-man-work> True.
16:32 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8646 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp src/tools/tConfiguration.h): Daniel Lee Harple: use const
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17:13 <TaZ> hello
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17:35 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8647 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. bootstrap.sh): Daniel Lee Harple: Fixed touch typo
17:37 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8648 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. .bzrignore): Daniel Lee Harple: More files to ignore
17:41 <TaZ> ivantis
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18:08 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r943 More files to ignore... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r942 Fixed touch typo... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r646 Adding the following Shooting deaths; DEATH_SHOT_FRAG, DEATH...
18:15 <epsy> gah, wtf happened to trunk?
18:16 <K-Yo> boom
18:16 <epsy> guess ill just uncommit that merge >.<
18:21 <TaZ> ...
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8649 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Reduced per-netobject/per-client memory cost.
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Upped dedicated server client limit to 32.
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Added --with-maxclients configure argument.
18:26 <epsy> hello TaZ
18:27 <TaZ> hi epsy
18:27 <epsy> what's wrong?
18:27 <TaZ> lol nothing.
18:27 <epsy> [18:20] <TaZ>: ...
18:27 <epsy> Oo?
18:28 <TaZ> I just do that sometimes cause I'm bored
18:28 <TaZ> ...
18:28 <epsy> thanks for letting me know
18:28 <TaZ> :P
18:28 <epsy> :D
18:29 <TaZ> Did you ever play Multiwinia?
18:30 <TaZ> I heard Z-man helped with it
18:30 <epsy> nope, I did not
18:30 <TaZ> And it looks armagetronish
18:30 <epsy> but z-man-work indeed sounds like he's involved with it in some way, heh
18:31 <TaZ> haha
18:31 <z-man-work> I wrote a dedicated server for it.
18:31 <TaZ> ah
18:31 <z-man-work> Or rather, adapted the dedicated server I wrote for their previous game.
18:31 <TaZ> Darwinina?
18:31 <z-man-work> Defcon.
18:31 <TaZ> o
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19:09 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r944 Reduced per-netobject/per-client memory cost....
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19:46 <TaZ> hey sinewav
19:46 <sinewav> sup bro
19:47 <TaZ> nadda nadda, you?
19:58 <TaZ> Im glad you and ari made up
19:58 <TaZ> :)
19:58 <TaZ> I didn't want 2 respected people on tron arguing
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20:01 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-eevent] r707 set eEventContexts asap... || [trunk-armagetronad-eevent] r706 whoops, the client didn't send it's ID properly...
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20:07 <TaZ> This is what happens when you only have 1 contact in your eye :/
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20:14 <epsy> it was a netsplit..not teabot messing up, ah neat
20:17 <iccleoldme> i want to be babybug =(
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20:18 <epsy> hihi
20:18 <iccleoldme> ty
20:18 <TaZ>                                                                                                           Babybuh_arma
20:18 -!- iccleoldme is now known as BabyBug
20:18 <BabyBug> :D
20:18 <TaZ> wbwb
20:18 <epsy> BabyBug, did teabot spew out some commits meanwhile?
20:18  * BabyBug shrugs
20:19 <epsy> :D
20:20 <epsy> no, like, srsly?
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20:24 <K-Yo> epsy, no, you missed nothing
--- Log closed Tue Dec 09 20:27:33 2008
--- Log opened Tue Dec 09 20:27:46 2008
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20:35  * BabyBug cuddles epsy 
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20:46 <wrtlprnft> meh. can anyone try to ping me?
20:46 <wrtlprnft> can't open new connections, and IRC is the only open one i've got right now
20:46 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: your mirror is broken
20:46 <akira_arma> kinda high latency
20:46 <wrtlprnft> bad luck
20:46 <akira_arma> 2 secs
20:46 <wrtlprnft> but you can reach me?
20:47 <akira_arma> yes
20:47 <luke-jr> 200 ms here
20:47 <luke-jr> note pings are in the kernel, and likely to work even if you PANIC
20:47 <wrtlprnft> great.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> i don't think this is the fault of a box of mine
20:47 <luke-jr> could it be your router?
20:48 <wrtlprnft> nah. traceroute hangs at the 4th hop
20:48 <luke-jr> do you have IPv6?
20:48 <wrtlprnft> no
20:48 <wrtlprnft> some box that belongs to my ISP
20:48 <luke-jr> ping
20:48 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I can connect to SSHd
20:49 <luke-jr> and get prompted for a password
20:49 <wrtlprnft> that works, interestingly
20:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
20:49 <wrtlprnft> who or what is
20:49 <luke-jr> BGP-nearest IPv6 router
20:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: nah, that doesn't
20:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: try this:
20:49 <wrtlprnft> neither does, which is the only IP i can remember that doesn't belong to me
20:50 <luke-jr> ipv4='your ipv4 address'
20:50 <wrtlprnft> (DNS works, though, with my provider's settings)
20:50 <luke-jr> ip tunnel add tun6to4 mode sit ttl 64 remote any local $ipv4
20:50 <luke-jr> ip link set dev tun6to4 up
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20:51 <luke-jr> ipv6prefix='2002:53f3:7531'
20:51 <luke-jr> ip -6 addr add ${ipv6prefix}::1/16 dev tun6to4
20:51 <wrtlprnft> err, should echo $ipv4 yield my NAT'd IP address or my provider-given?
20:51 <luke-jr> global scope
20:51 <luke-jr> and make sure you have DMZ on the NAPT box
20:51 <luke-jr> ip -6 route add 2000::/3 via ::
20:52 <wrtlprnft> err, i'm not gonna DMZ this box
20:52 <luke-jr> might not work otherwise, dunno
20:53 <luke-jr> can you forward by IP protocol?
20:53 <luke-jr> proto 41
20:53 <wrtlprnft> possibly
20:55 <wrtlprnft> but i don't see how all of this is gonna help me… I don't even understand how you can initiate a connection to my sshd (and its reply packets find you), but not the other way round
20:55 <wrtlprnft> my router's OS accepts custom iptables commands, but I don't know what that's gonna mess up
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21:20 <K-Yo> .pos 1
21:20 <tronner> K-Yo: CTWF position for ctxwoned: 1 with 43.03626543 points.
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21:33 <epsy> .pos 1337
21:33 <tronner> epsy: There's no rank 1337 in CTWF ladder.
21:33 <epsy> first to be 1337 wins!
21:34 <epsy> .help pos
21:34 <tronner> epsy: (pos <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch [concat http://crazy-tronners.com/p4/ct2irc.php?laddername= [urlquote $*]]".
21:34 <epsy> .pos ctxwoned
21:34 <tronner> epsy: CTWF position for ctxwoned: 1 with 43.03626543 points.
21:35 <epsy> .pos epsy|x|
21:35 <tronner> epsy: Cannot find epsy|x| in CTWF ladder.
21:35 <epsy> .pos epsy
21:35 <tronner> epsy: Cannot find epsy in CTWF ladder.
21:35 <epsy> .pos |x|epsy
21:35 <tronner> epsy: Cannot find |x|epsy in CTWF ladder.
21:35 <BabyBug> .pos BabyBug
21:35 <tronner> BabyBug: CTWF position for babybug: 38 with 5.50247655 points.
21:35 <epsy> spectators had never won :(
21:35 <BabyBug> \o/
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21:37 <epsy> holy shit eEvents are awesome ^^
21:38 <BabyBug> and they are? O.o
21:38 <epsy> nah, just starting to get the bases working :D
21:39 <BabyBug> so they're meant to be?
21:39 <epsy> you're like just typing HELLO_WORLD in the server's console to see a "Got event hello_world :)" at the client's log ^^
21:40 <epsy> (it works the other way as well!)
21:41 <epsy> so yeah now I've got to write a bunch of code
21:51  * BabyBug nods as if she got that and then walks away \o
21:52 <epsy> you know what's the server console right? :o
21:53 <BabyBug> THe thingy after you run the server? that console?
21:53 <epsy> yeah!
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22:19 <epsy> yeah
22:19 <SageLord> lol
22:19 <epsy> all day it's been splittin
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22:23 <BabyBug> ...
22:23 <SageLord> lol
22:24 <SageLord> thats not good :/
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22:27 <BabyBug> damn it he's back =(
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22:53 <P4> .cters
22:53 <tronner> P4: This data is 3 seconds old: Nothing found.
22:54 <P4> oO
22:55 <BabyBug> fail
22:55 <epsy> damn it she's back
22:55 <P4> what's wrong with the list?
22:55 <P4> .sumo
22:55 <tronner> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “crazy tronners open sumo” at the moment, sorry.
22:55 <P4> it's up and players play, lol
22:56 <epsy> .armaservers
22:56 <tronner> epsy: This data is 7 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (9/12), |FA| BLACK TAR (7/16), Wild West  =Sumo= (7/14), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (5/10), The ~:VcL:~ Clan Server! (5/14), Adventures of TRON >>> AI Challenge  <<< (3/4), Swampland Mud Puddle (3/8), Unnamed Server (2/16), |FA| Devils Rings! (2/16), Wild West  =Cockpit=  ~Multi~Mode~ (1/16)
22:56 <epsy> @sd crazy
22:57 <teabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “crazy” at the moment, sorry.
22:57 <epsy> Crazy Tronners were eradicted by their collapsing zone.
22:57 <P4> .ys
22:57 <tronner> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “yellow submarine” at the moment, sorry.
22:58 <epsy> @sd other submarine
22:58 <teabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “other submarine” at the moment, sorry.
22:58 <P4> problems with master server?
22:58 <epsy> well, if you see them in your server browser ingame, no it's not a problem with masers
22:58 <epsy> masters*
23:00 <P4> maybe master servers are in desynch mode :þ
23:00 <P4> i haven't check the game browser but server screen
23:01 <BabyBug> The information is out of date, and pokemon dudes clocks are wrong...Simple =D
23:01 <P4> This data is 3 seconds old
23:02 <epsy> This data is 47 seconds old
23:05 <P4> .servtest beta.armagetronad.net 80
23:05 <tronner> P4: Server at beta.armagetronad.net:80 is up.
23:23 <P4> .cters
23:23 <tronner> P4: This data is 39 seconds old: CT_emmy@Crazy Tronners Open Sumo (7/12)
23:23 <P4> fixed
23:23 <P4> #ls emmy
23:23 <P4> .l emmy
23:23 <tronner> P4: CT_emmy seems to be on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo right now.
23:23 <P4> .ls emmy
23:23 <tronner> P4: CT_emmy has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 23 hours 18 minutes ago.
23:24 <P4> :þ
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23:41 <apparition> anyone know how to type the old twisted rats clan tag in windows alt+###?
23:43 -!- sinewav [n=sinewav@adsl-75-22-225-118.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
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23:44 <Ratchet--> !help armagetronad ubuntu
23:44 <Ratchet--> !!
23:45 <Ratchet--> epsy, ivantis luke-jr Lucifer
23:45 <Ratchet--> someone
23:45  * dlh *
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23:46 <Ratchet--> do you play on ubuntu?
23:47 <luke-jr> no
23:47 <luke-jr> for the 150th time
23:50 <ct|kyle> #ubuntu
23:50 <luke-jr> yeah, go to #Ubuntu and say the magic words
23:50 <luke-jr> to get a free KLINE
23:51 <ct|kyle> magic words being DCC_SEND UBUNTU_FIREWORKS
23:52 <ct|kyle> right hoax :)
23:53 -!- sinewav [n=sinewav@adsl-75-22-225-118.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
23:53 <luke-jr> err no
23:53 <luke-jr> slight, but important, difference
23:53 <luke-jr> SEND*
23:53 <luke-jr> (no underscore for DCC SEND)
23:55 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
23:56 <sinewav> Hey Kyle, I'm thinking about killing the Advanced Racing server, what are your thoughts?
23:57 <luke-jr> :o
23:58 <sinewav> Oh, and hey everyone. I hate my IRC client (trillian) and want a new one. Anything easy to use with a minimal GUI?
23:58 <luke-jr> I like Konversation.
23:58 <luke-jr> and Psi for IM.
23:58 <luke-jr> sinewav: economy hitting you too? :x
23:58 <sinewav> I'm in win WP BTW...
23:59 <sinewav> akira_armaand no it's not the economy yet
23:59 <sinewav> oops
23:59 <sinewav>  no it's not the economy yet
23:59 <sinewav> It's just an unpopular server and I'd like to bring back flag fortress
23:59 <luke-jr> well, I don't think Windows has any good IRC clients
23:59 <sinewav> :-(

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