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01:22 <StickyNoob> can I ask Americans, have you ever heard or Fair Usage Policies for bandwidth from internet service providers?
01:23 <akira_arma> i have
01:23 <akira_arma> but i am german
01:24 <akira_arma> and my isp is enforcing such stuff on me ;)
01:24 <Flex> http://monkey.mastercontrolprogram.de/screenshots/hoax1.png
01:24 <Flex> was that a serious game?
01:24 <Flex> oops
01:24 <Flex> wrong place
01:25 <StickyNoob> yeah im just surprised: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/comcast-tests-a-new-bandwidth-black-list/index.html?ref=technology
01:25 <StickyNoob> that article seems to be saying its something new, been around UK for ages
01:26 <Flex> comcast been doing it longer then the uk has
01:26 <Flex> i think
01:26 <StickyNoob> not according to that
01:27 <Flex> it's probably a new tech they're implimenting, but bandwidth capping and p2p filtering.. they've done that for awhile
01:27 <Flex> i think..
01:27 <StickyNoob> bandwidth capping and p2p filtering is very different to fair use tho
01:28 <StickyNoob> akira_arma: in Germany are they required to define what "Fair Usage" means?
01:30 <Flex> in Germany they really don't need to worry about any of that i think.. their lines are all newish and sweet
01:31 <akira_arma> nah i am just limited to 50GB
01:31 <akira_arma> then 50% speed decrease
01:31 <akira_arma> freakin cable provider
01:31 <StickyNoob> so they do give you a definate number you cant go over?
01:32 <akira_arma> i can go
01:32 <akira_arma> but have to suffer 50% loss after that
01:32 <akira_arma> they sold me this as a full flat
01:32 <Flex> for a specific time period i guess
01:32 <Flex> like 5 hours
01:32 <akira_arma> i didnt check
01:32 <akira_arma> nah
01:32 <akira_arma> 1month
01:32 <akira_arma> ..
01:32 <akira_arma> well 1 year bound to a crap isp
01:32 <Flex> they slow you down for a whole month? :o
01:33 <StickyNoob> luxery, in the UK they choose an arbitary limit that you are not allowed to konw, and if you go over it your bandwidth is PERMINENTLY slashed
01:33 <Flex> why didn't you get the unlimited package
01:33 <StickyNoob> *know
01:33 <akira_arma> they dont have one!
01:33 <akira_arma> ..
01:33 <Flex> not perminently..
01:33 <Flex> just for afew hours for me
01:33 <StickyNoob> virgin?
01:33 <Flex> mines limited to something like 10-15gbs then it cuts to 85% decrease of speed for afew hours or more
01:33 <StickyNoob> virgin?
01:33 <Flex> yeah
01:33 <Flex> it says if you go over the "3%" of your local usage they cap you to 5mbs
01:33 <StickyNoob> yeah others do perminent
01:34 <Flex> if you're on the 20mb line
01:34 <Flex> BT just warns you that you're doing heavy usage
01:34 <StickyNoob> such as tiscali and talk talk
01:34 <Flex> when you bought the unlimited package
01:34 <Flex> so much for so called "unlimited"
01:34 <StickyNoob> yeah
01:34 <Flex> we pay insane prices and other countries are flying in gbit transfers
01:34 <StickyNoob> well trading standards are already investigating this
01:35 <Flex> i hope they fucking sort it out, we need to get back on..
01:35 <StickyNoob> i loved it when the ips blamed the BBC for the slow internet and then said the BBC owed them all money
01:35 <StickyNoob> *isp's
01:35 <Flex> fucking that was stupid
01:35 <Flex> if that went ahead against BCC.. then you know we're proper fucked
01:36 <Flex> is that case still on.. or did they drop it..
01:36 <StickyNoob> naa BBC told them to go fuck themselfs
01:37 <Flex> that was seriously stupid though, BBC pay quite a lot for their usage of bandwidth..
01:37 <Flex> and they want them to pay even more..
01:39 <StickyNoob> well its just the isps trying anything to avoid providing the service they sold
01:40 <Flex> they're just sitting around trying to suck as much money as they can till their shit gets over run and they get outages.. we need some serious investment into our lines not some stupid minor repairs..
01:41 <Flex> We want faster porno FFS!
01:42 <StickyNoob> problem is we wont stand for the nation wide road works to install the cable either
01:43 <StickyNoob> there is some company putting fiber through the sewers tho
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01:44 <Flex> yeah, been kind of following that
01:44 <Flex> that's something interesting, but kind of like something that seems as if it's going to turn into a dead end..
01:45 <Flex> they need to just start now and slowly remove all the old lines and put in new lines that can last at least 50years
01:45 <Flex> anyone with some insight into this can make big money if they just invested afew million doing up all of london
01:46 <Flex> you'd made it back as soon as everyone switches over to your isp
01:46 <StickyNoob> a few million?
01:46 <Flex> it's not going to go over half a million for sure
01:46 <StickyNoob> Flex: that is what ntl did. didnt do them much good
01:46 <StickyNoob> half a million???? are you nuts
01:46 <Flex> na, NTL didn't do that..
01:47 <Flex> oh sorry i meant half a billion
01:47 <Flex> can't go any higher then that
01:47 <StickyNoob> you couldnt plan the digging up of central london for £500k
01:47 <Flex> this is pocket money to some of these billionairs in london
01:47 <Flex> 500k for digging up a road in london?
01:47 <StickyNoob> ntl did install fiber through large parts of the uk
01:48 <Flex> so what's wrong now..
01:48 <Flex> why are they so backed up
01:48 <StickyNoob> its owned by virgin now
01:48 <Flex> why did they sell
01:49 <StickyNoob> they went bust
01:49 <StickyNoob> i think
01:50 <Flex> but still, any of the top 50 billionaires in london could do this easly
01:50 <Flex> this is like pocket money to them
01:51 <StickyNoob> if you are going to look at it like that there is probably far better things we can do with 500m than give londoners slightly faster internt
01:51 <StickyNoob> *internet
01:51 <Flex> like what
01:51 <StickyNoob> food
01:52 <StickyNoob> research into renewable energy
01:52 <Flex> they spent afew million on that stupid telescope near the mayors office
01:52 <Flex> hooking up to new york
01:52 <Flex> "teletroscope"
01:52 <Flex> or something
01:52 <StickyNoob> yeah but you seem to be saing the billionares should do it almost as a charity donation to londoners
01:52 <Flex> na investment
01:52 <Flex> come on now, everyone will switch
01:53 <Flex> who will take shit from BT/others when they got this new thing
01:53 <Flex> you'll take basically 50% of the market easly
01:54 <Flex> if i had a billion, i'd do it..
01:54 <Flex> would you?
01:54 <StickyNoob> no way
01:55 <Flex> so what would you spend your billion on..
01:56 <StickyNoob> 1st) i dont buy your 500m figure. 2nd) even if everyone did switch it would probably take decades of people paying £15 a month to pay it back
01:56 <StickyNoob> 3rd) there are far safer investments that will give a better return
01:56 <Flex> that's like 15million on the first year
01:57 <noob13> #t eng fr bakery
01:57 <Flex> if like a million get on
01:57 <armabot> noob13: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
01:57 <StickyNoob> 15*12*1000000 = 15,000,000?
01:57 <Flex> who does 15 anyway for faster
01:58 <Flex> you'd make your money back soon, not decades
01:59 <Flex> you'd also be creating a market and a control over your market..
01:59 <Flex> it's not like other investments.. you gain far more wealth then profit..
01:59 <Flex> but then again oil gives more
02:00 <akira_arma> http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1208956445/Antartica_-_Weather_Condition_1
02:00 <akira_arma> i am quite happy i dont have to experience THAT weather ;)
02:01 <StickyNoob> exactly, your idea MAY give returns, but there are far safer ways to do it than gamble on digging up prime realestate
02:03 <Flex> you'd make it easllllyyyy
02:04 <Flex> let's just say you do enough to support 5million+ people with 50mbs for £20 a month
02:04 <Flex> they'd switch instantly
02:05 <StickyNoob> thats assumeing that every PERSON(not house) in london gets internet
02:05 <Flex> no, i'm assuming, that it can support 5million
02:06 <Flex> i'd say 1million or so would sign up
02:06 <Flex> and there's like 11million people in london, and much more houses..
02:07 <StickyNoob> more houses than people?
02:08 <StickyNoob> 11 million includes greater london
02:09 <Flex> so how many homes in london
02:09 <Flex> in total
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02:15 <akira_arma> http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1206712486/Hardest_Game_In_The_World
02:15 <akira_arma> WTF
02:15 <akira_arma> :)
02:16 <StickyNoob> Flex__: 3 million for greater london
02:16 <Flex__> in total?
02:17 <StickyNoob> yup
02:17 <Flex__> that's way too low
02:17 <StickyNoob> nope
02:17 <StickyNoob> 3,109,657 to be precise(as of 2001)
02:17 <Flex__> link
02:17 <akira_arma> #tea
02:17 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Concord, eggcozy, madmax (madmax@forums), Monkey (Monkey@x), wHaT
02:17 <StickyNoob> http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=3&b=287186&c=SW1X+9EL&d=141&e=16&g=339337&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=0&s=1212624986380&enc=1&dsFamilyId=149
02:22 <StickyNoob> Flex__: problem is for your idea is that more houses is not good for your argument, since lets say there are 5million houses, you recon you can hook them all up for £100 each, that would be a bargin
02:22 <Flex__> exactly
02:22 <Flex__> well i'd personally do it for £20
02:22 <StickyNoob> £100 heh
02:23 <Flex__> so you'd get like how much back? 240m a year?
02:23 <StickyNoob> so 1 person employed for 2 hours to dig 10m of road and hook up your house, nice
02:23 <Flex__> or actually i'd do 50mb for 40 with phone line
02:23 <Flex__> and 20 for 30mb
02:24 <Flex__> you'd have to make exchanges for your network or something right
02:24 <StickyNoob> yeah
02:24 <Flex__> maybe buy the existing exchanges
02:25 <Flex__> split them all up fairly till you feel all are close and stuff
02:25 <Monkey_arma> every time you guys say somit you lag my cafe game
02:25 <Flex__> wow we're only tkaing up 5kbps
02:25 <Flex__> or something :p
02:25 <Monkey_arma> it jumps
02:26 <Monkey_arma> maybe its not u
02:26 <Flex__> StickyNoob, Kensington and Chelsea..
02:26 <Flex__> is that only counting those areas..
02:26 <StickyNoob> no
02:27 <StickyNoob> kensington and chelsea is only 1456 houses
02:27 <Flex__> there's only 21million homes in the uk..
02:27 <Flex__> wth
02:27 <Flex__> do they count apartments and flats
02:28 <StickyNoob> sounds about right
02:28 <StickyNoob> 60m population, 20m houses average of 3 per house, sounds right to me
02:29 <Flex__> at least i'd have a good start up company
02:29 <Flex__> that can maybe turn into a major player
02:30 <StickyNoob> tell you what Flex__ if you can figure out how to hook up everyone in london to fiber for £20 each give me a call, ill have no problem finding you capital funding
02:30 <Flex__> your investment into what..
02:31 <Flex__> it's not a mystery StickyNoob, anyone can do it
02:31 <Flex__> fiber to the home isn't even needed
02:31 <Flex__> basic no-lose cable to the home from the exchange
02:31 <Flex__> then fiber from there after
02:32 <StickyNoob> well if you are going to dig up the whole of london im sure as fuck not just putting in slightly better copper, it will be fiber
02:33 <StickyNoob> come up with a plan, you pull it off and we will all be millionares, you a have a return on investment of 1 month per house
02:33 <Monkey_arma> wtf jjbean is back in tron
02:34 <Flex__> StickyNoob, if i had a billion, i'd do it
02:34 <StickyNoob> you dont need a billion
02:34 <Flex__> what do i need
02:35 <Flex__> i hate BT so much i'd make sure they get out of biz
02:35 <StickyNoob> you roll up somewhere with a concrete plan and say "i can put fiberoptic in every house in london for £20 each" they will rip their pockets getting their wallet out
02:35 <Flex__> they owe me £500
02:35 <Flex__> those cunts
02:35 <Flex__> haha, yeah i'll go on the dragons den show or something
02:36 <Flex__> those cunts don't even have the cash to do it
02:36 <StickyNoob> again, if you had the plan they would find the cash fast
02:41 <Flex__> but the main concern would be.. how future proof can you make it..
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02:42 <Flex__> you'd also want to make the "tunnels" easy to replace cables incase something better comes up
02:42 <Flex__> that's the one thing they never thought about when they did the old lines
02:42 <StickyNoob> how future proof do you need it to be, you will double your money in about the first 3-4 months of subscription
02:42 <StickyNoob> after that fuck it
02:43 <Flex__> na we want to take the market
02:43 <Flex__> for a good 50years
02:43 <StickyNoob> well you could just do it again for £20 a house 10 years later
02:43 <Flex__> but then they'll complain about the monopoly over it..
02:44 <Flex__> can we legally hold control of our own exchanges..
02:44 <StickyNoob> probably
02:44 <StickyNoob> i think ntl/virgin do
02:44 <Flex__> where's the billion when you need it!
02:44 <StickyNoob> Flex__: you are on crak
02:44 <Flex__> lol
02:45 <Flex__> i ain't on crack! i'm high on life homie
02:46 <Flex__> it took me 3-5days to download 20gb torrent
02:46 <StickyNoob> you couldnt pay someone £20 a house to go drill a hole through the wall, let alone dig up the road
02:46 <Flex__> we're confusing our sevles.. what do you mean by that..
02:47 <StickyNoob> well giving every house fiber would require drilling a hole to feed it through
02:47 <Flex__> you devide the area's up and connect them up to your own exchange right
02:47 <Flex__> when someone signs up, you hook their line up
02:48 <StickyNoob> fine, so you dig up the road to their house and then drill a hole
02:48 <Flex__> all it takes is a good exchanges around london and then smaller things like those green boxes
02:48 <Flex__> they signed up for a service... so of course we gotta do the cable to their house
02:48 <StickyNoob> yeah
02:49 <Flex__> do it EXACTLY like ntl did, but with your own stuff
02:49 <StickyNoob> so you can tell them on the phone "we havent started digging your street yet wait 3 weeks while we dig our way there"
02:49 <Flex__> and a capable network
02:50 <StickyNoob> its not the cost of the cable i have issue with
02:50 <Flex__> na, you'll set up your exchanges, green boxes.. once that's done, they sign up, then you line the cable from your own green boxes that you've spread around the areas
02:50 <StickyNoob> its the ost to install
02:50 <Flex__> yeah i know that's where the cost is coming from
02:50 <StickyNoob> you still have to dig up to and drill every house
02:50 <Flex__> you've got a green box outside your house right
02:50 <Flex__> near the road or something
02:51 <StickyNoob> yup
02:51 <Flex__> so something like that
02:51 <Flex__> you don't need to dig anymore once that's set up
02:51 <StickyNoob> then how do you get the signal from that green box to the house?
02:51 <Flex__> you just run the cable to the house
02:51 <StickyNoob> above ground?
02:51 <Flex__> my cable is running across my wall
02:51 <Flex__> outside the house
02:51 <Flex__> flat
02:51 <Flex__> ^
02:51 <Flex__> no underground shit
02:52 <StickyNoob> what about be3tween the green box to the house
02:52 <Flex__> when you install the green box you provide a space for the cable to come out from
02:52 <Flex__> you do that when you're doing the green boxes
02:52 <StickyNoob> yeah
02:53 <StickyNoob> and that cable coming out and going to the house, above or below ground?
02:53 <Flex__> just close enough to the blocks/houses
02:53 <Flex__> depends on the locations
02:53 <Flex__> right
02:53 <StickyNoob> well everywhere in my area that cable was below ground
02:54 <StickyNoob> they dug a grove down the garden to put it under
02:54 <StickyNoob> then drilled the house
02:55 <Flex__> fuck it, just buy BT or something, and renew it completely
02:55 <StickyNoob> dosent get around the cost to install the cable
02:55 <Flex__> just so you don't have to spend the extra cash doing the exchanges
02:56 <StickyNoob> im not even counting the cost of the exchange
02:56 <Flex__> so how much is it for you
02:57 <StickyNoob> im looking purely at the cost of labour to dig the road up to every house then drill and install the cable in the house
02:57 <Flex__> ok how much in total
02:57 <Flex__> what's it going to cost
02:57 <Flex__> i only said i'd charge them £20 for the monthly rental..
02:58 <StickyNoob> i cant really say, id guess multi billions total, but way more than £20
02:58 <StickyNoob> (per house)
02:59 <Flex__> the only reason why these current isp's aren't investing is they're already getting the money
02:59 <Flex__> if they upgraded they'd just be giving more bandwidth for the same price
03:00 <Flex__> they care only about the profit and how much they can soak..
03:01 <Flex__> so they'd upgrade all your lines give you 50mbit and then charge you for the same..
03:01 <StickyNoob> sort of true yes
03:01 <StickyNoob> but the reason people wont create competition by dooing
03:01 <StickyNoob> oops
03:01 <StickyNoob> *doing what you sugested was its too expencive
03:02 <Flex__> the money coming back in would make it in no time
03:02 <Flex__> you just need the money and someone with a deep pocket that isn't going to do a half arsed job
03:04 <Flex__> actually a good example would be that recent works on an area in the UK that was installed fully with gbit lines..
03:04 <Flex__> can't remember the name
03:04 <StickyNoob> heh well as i say, come up with some good figures and ill help finding the capital
03:05 <Flex__> we can't do nothing with investors, they'll want their money back as soon as possible and wouldn't give a rats arse.. we need deep pocket dude to not miss a billion from his bank account :p
03:05 <StickyNoob> infact come up with the proposal and we will go do -> http://ycombinator.com/
03:06 <Flex__> haha, ok sure
03:08 <StickyNoob> if you had sugested some sort of high speed wifi across london for £500m I may have believed you
03:09  * Monkey_arma points out wimax
03:09 <StickyNoob> if you like paying £10 per byte
03:09 <Flex__> actually that's easy
03:09 <Monkey_arma> not that im reading what you guys are babbling about
03:09 <Flex__> you only need afew million to set up a satilite..
03:10 <StickyNoob> heh
03:10  * StickyNoob prices up an Arian 5 rocket
03:10 <Flex__> satellite's are cheep!, but the freq might be an issue
03:11 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: so whats your guess on the price of a satellite?
03:11 <Monkey_arma> just steal one
03:11 <Flex__> hey yeah!
03:11 <Monkey_arma> s/steal/hijack
03:11 <Monkey_arma> er s/hijack/steal/
03:12 <Flex__> if it can beem HD to the UK it can do high speed wifi
03:12 <Flex__> oh wait.. there's already a satellite broadband service
03:13 <Flex__> you're talking about wifi, so we'd have to set up hot spots..
03:13 <Monkey_arma> wimax will kill off wifi completely
03:13 <Monkey_arma> combined with vdsl and adsl2+
03:14 <Monkey_arma> and newer versions of HSDPA
03:14 <Flex__> how does the G3 products connect to the internet
03:14 <Flex__> if that small phone can do 20mb broadband then we don't need hot spots
03:14 <Monkey_arma> HSDPA and others
03:14 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: in the same way 3g was going to revolutionise mobile broadband?
03:14 <Monkey_arma> 3g is only a part solution at the moment
03:14 <Monkey_arma> and we are on 4g soon
03:15 <Flex__> StickyNoob, because it costs so much, it's not doing well because of the price
03:15 <StickyNoob> bandwidth is not the limitation of 3g, its the price
03:15 <Monkey_arma> it will drop
03:15 <Monkey_arma> its a new technology
03:15 <Flex__> why are they charging so much
03:15 <Flex__> what's taking all the money
03:15 <Monkey_arma> and HSDPO or whatever  will be the killer
03:16 <Monkey_arma> low competetiion and not enough infrastructure
03:16 <Monkey_arma> but it is getting there
03:16 <Flex__> all these heavy ghz signals going through the brain.. it wont fuck peoples heads will it
03:16 <StickyNoob> Flex__: since the UK government analy raped(and i do mean RAPED) the phone companies for the 3g lisences
03:16 <Monkey_arma> wimax will have 50 mile radius
03:16 <Flex__> how stable is it..
03:16 <Flex__> can you do good gaming :D
03:16 <Flex__> with low pings and shit
03:17 <Monkey_arma> all of the different solutions will bring prices down
03:17 <Monkey_arma> and the ultimate solution is the homebrew wifi and soon wimax spots
03:17 <Monkey_arma> that will reduce prices
03:17 <Flex__> but that's like 20mb or something
03:18 <Monkey_arma> 20mb?
03:18 <Flex__> that's not future proof..
03:18 <Flex__> how fast is the speeds capable of
03:18 <Monkey_arma> they keep on improving speeds and protocols
03:18 <Flex__> up to 50 then..
03:18 <Monkey_arma> and also technologies can be combined
03:19 <StickyNoob> Flex__: you are right, it is no real substitute for fiber
03:19 <Monkey_arma> well again fiber is one end of the spectrum
03:19 <Monkey_arma> you are forgetting about things in the middle
03:19 <Flex__> fuck the middle
03:19 <Monkey_arma> like adsl2+ and then vdsl
03:20 <Monkey_arma> its not fiber or NOT fiber
03:20 <Flex__> we want as fast as we can fit that photons through the cable :D
03:20 <Monkey_arma> vdsl is as close to fiber as you need to care about
03:20 <Monkey_arma> fiber means fuck all
03:20 <Monkey_arma> i have fiber
03:20 <Monkey_arma> you want good fiber
03:21 <Monkey_arma> they are improving the light retention
03:21 <Monkey_arma> i think the max is about 66% or so
03:21 <Flex__> virgin has hope
03:21 <Monkey_arma> or maybe a bit more
03:21 <Flex__> BT is fucked
03:21 <Monkey_arma> i cant remember
03:21 <Flex__> adsl is done for..
03:22 <Monkey_arma> BT wont be fucked
03:22 <Monkey_arma> but copper might be
03:22 <Flex__> BT isn't going to change it's copper
03:22 <Monkey_arma> yes it will
03:22 <Flex__> tell me where they're changing it
03:23 <Flex__> "will" isn't now dude
03:23 <Flex__> they need to be doing it soon
03:23 <Monkey_arma> they will probably start with adsl2+
03:23 <Flex__> not when we actually need it
03:23 <Monkey_arma> then go to vdsl
03:23 <Flex__> when we do they wont have the investment to do it
03:23 <Monkey_arma> that allows them to add copper in stages
03:23 <Monkey_arma> er fiber sry
03:24 <StickyNoob> Flex__: as much as i agree the UK needs to upgrade its communications infrastructure. its hardly urgent i mean ffs how much porn do you need
03:24 <Flex__> HD porn, about 3 DVD's a day
03:24 <Flex__> then i'll be happy
03:24 <Flex__> DVD's i mean by HD disks
03:24 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob they will upgrade rapidly for streaming technology
03:25 <StickyNoob> streaming?
03:25 <Monkey_arma> yes like videos
03:25 <Flex__> dude, we've been like the guys with the crappy connection for decades..
03:25 <Monkey_arma> they want to be able to stream stuff over the internet as if it were on tv
03:25 <Flex__> when we upgrade, they'll be downloading the whole internet by then
03:25 <Flex__> by them i mean the rest of europe
03:26 <StickyNoob> Flex__: 3 dvds a day is only about 200kbs i think
03:26 <Flex__> HD dvd's
03:26 <Flex__> that'd dvd9
03:26 <Flex__> or something
03:26 <Flex__> let's just say bluray
03:27 <StickyNoob> good god man, you have reall issues when you cant find porn arousing untill you have 50% more pixels
03:28 <Flex__> why did we bother to upgrade to colour if black and white was "fine"
03:28 <Monkey_arma> ok bed gn
03:28 <StickyNoob> cya
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03:29 <Flex__> sticky you want The Lionman season 1 :D
03:29 <StickyNoob> you are just a av chav
03:29 <Flex__> lol a chav.. yeah ok
03:30 <StickyNoob> Lionman?
03:30 <Flex__> you've never seen the tv program..
03:31 <StickyNoob> nope
03:31 <Flex__> the guy that handles lions..
03:31 <StickyNoob> does he abuse them?
03:31 <Flex__> As long as this page is open your copy/paste functionality has been disabled.
03:31 <Flex__> oops
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03:32 <Flex__> www.zionwildlifegardens.co.nz/
03:32 <StickyNoob> do they ride bikes?
03:32 <Flex__> yes he abuses them, you sick fuck
03:32 <Flex__> and they ride bikes yes
03:32 <StickyNoob> hmm sounds good
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03:34 <StickyNoob> im getting a toyger
03:35 <Flex__> to molest it?
03:35 <StickyNoob> no
03:35 <Flex__> don't lie
03:37 <Flex__> i might get a cat soon
03:37 <Flex__> a tabby or something
03:39 <Flex__> ok gn, i'm off
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04:18 <Ttech> So
04:18 <Ttech> anyway
04:18 <Ttech> I'ma laggin
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04:43 <spidey_> luke-jr, wtfhax.net ->
04:43 <spidey_> plox D:
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04:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 72.1°F (9:45 PM CDT on June 04, 2008). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 28.53 in 966.0 hPa (Rising).  Flash Flood Watch in effect until 7 am CDT Thursday...
04:48 <spidey_> #weather 38256
04:48 <armabot> spidey_: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 75.7°F (9:48 PM CDT on June 04, 2008). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Steady).
04:48 <spidey_> wow
04:48 <spidey_> my pc clock is actually right
04:48 <ghableska> haha
04:48 <ghableska> #weather Creston, IA
04:48 <armabot> ghableska: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
04:48 <ghableska> -_-
04:48 <ghableska> apparently there's a tornado there
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04:49 <ghableska> #weather 50801
04:49 <armabot> ghableska: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
04:50 <ghableska> ...
04:56 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
04:56 <spidey> -NickServ- You are now identified for spiddles.
04:56 <spidey> -NickServ- 3 failed logins since Mar 22 00:06:01 2008.
04:56 <spidey> someone tried to ident on my name :O
04:56 <ghableska> :o
04:56 <ghableska> #list
04:57 <armabot> ghableska: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
04:57 <spidey> i haven't identified in ages
04:57 <spidey> lol
04:57 <ghableska> I haven't been on here in ages
04:57 <spidey> i mostly idle
04:58 <ghableska> it hasn't been fun here since Canada left
04:58 <spidey> lol
04:58 <spidey> i never came on here for fun
04:58 <spidey> i came on here to make fun of luke-jr
04:59 <ghableska> heh
04:59 <ghableska> does crazylate still freak out with his name?
04:59 <spidey> D:
04:59 <spidey> who
04:59 <spidey> i dunno, i've been idle most of the time :P
05:00 <ghableska> crazylate, the command
05:00 <spidey> no clue
05:00 <spidey> #crazylate
05:00 <armabot> spidey: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
05:00 <spidey> ..
05:00 <ghableska> #crazylate  Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
05:00 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
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19:23 <madmax> #aka xyron
19:23 <armabot> madmax: ¿25202 x_krisz_x rubytiger xyron
19:24 <Flex> don't bother, armabot and luke is useless!
19:26 <madmax> #aka flex
19:26 <armabot> madmax: ¿22380 |sexy|_flexy flex 0:Flex@x |x|_flex 0:flex@L_OP |x|_flew |dmx|_flex fle|x|
19:27 <madmax> ouch
19:27 <Flex> i got renamed
19:27 <Flex> not my fault
19:28 <Monkey_arma> aka Monkey
19:28 <Monkey_arma> #aka Monkey
19:28 <armabot> Monkey_arma: ¿24337 monkery monkey :*() 0:Monkey@x
19:29 <Flex> :*( 0 )
19:31 <madmax> what the
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19:31 <Flex> #aka madmax
19:31 <armabot> Flex: ¿18552 demosedici desmosedici 0:madmax@forums madmax
19:31 <Concord> eh?
19:31 <madmax> #aka Concord
19:32 <armabot> madmax: ¿29096 adidas concord
19:32 <madmax> do you have a contract with adidas?
19:32 <Concord> yes
19:32 <Concord> they signed me back in november
19:33 <Flex> what for?
19:33 <Concord> Armagetron of course
19:33 <Flex> adidas can't afford someone good?
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19:34 <Concord> no
19:34 <Concord> they can't
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19:35 <Concord> they don't have much budget for Armagetron and they already signed G5, isn't that so
19:35 <Flex> #aka g5
19:35 <armabot> Flex: ¿11393 ~|ds|~g2 ~|ds|~g5 g5 g5@forum 0:G5@forums
19:36 <Concord> see
19:36 <G5> What did I do? :)
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19:36 <Concord> you signed with adidas right?
19:36 <G5> Sure
19:37 <Concord> and thats why they didn't have any money left to sign someone better than me
19:37 <Monkey_arma> hi concord, AshitakA_arma , g5, hoax
19:37 <Concord> hey
19:37 <Flex> Monkey_arma, you're on TV!
19:37 <Monkey_arma> heh
19:38 <Flex> channel 5
19:38 <hoax> yo
19:38 <Monkey_arma> the monkey world  ye
19:38 <Flex> some stupid hoe seems too interested in you Monkey_arma
19:38 <Monkey_arma>  was watching
19:38 <Flex> you might want to bang that
19:39 <Concord> ha
19:42 <madmax> so, people from England getting ready for the Euro 2008? :-D
19:43 <Monkey_arma> pfft
19:43 <Monkey_arma> England sucks
19:43 <Flex> you guys suck, so we thought we'd not try this year
19:44 <Monkey_arma> English cant do sport
19:44 <Flex> yes we can
19:44 <Flex> we do snooker pretty well
19:44 <Flex> we win that every year and stuff
19:44 <madmax> nobody cares about snooker!
19:45 <Concord> remember greece in 04
19:45 <madmax> *cough*
19:45 <madmax> at least we got to the final :-P
19:45 <Monkey_arma> er actually snooker is good
19:45 <Monkey_arma> i forgot bout that
19:45 <Flex> see!
19:45 <Monkey_arma> ok so "team" sports
19:46 <Flex> tennis?
19:46 <Monkey_arma> lol@tennis
19:46 <Monkey_arma> we suck at tennis
19:46 <madmax> F1!
19:46 <Flex> i don't even watch tennis
19:46 <Flex> f1? i don't think we're the best at that.. :(
19:47 <Concord> tennis is not a team sport, or should not be considered
19:47 <Concord> england is good at croquet I think
19:48 <Flex> dude we were good and the best at everything for a moment
19:48 <Flex> till we got bored and moved on
19:48 <Concord> in 1914 right?
19:49 <Flex> the ww1?
19:49 <Flex> we won that..
19:49 <Concord> and british sea power disappeared
19:49 <Concord> norman angell was right
19:49 <Flex> do you remember 1700?
19:50 <Concord> yes
19:50 <Concord> I was 18
19:50 <G5> Doesnt England do Rugby best? Oh, I forget, you are the only one doing it :)
19:51 <G5> *o
19:51 <Flex> lol
19:51 <Flex> the games you guys play, we play 5 different games for it!
19:51 <Concord> and lose in all of them?
19:51 <Concord> =}
19:52 <Monkey_arma> the worst is cricket
19:52 <Monkey_arma> England are the laughing stock
19:52 <Concord> croquet ftl
19:53 <Flex> actually nm 1700, it was quite abit after that
19:53 <Flex> then we lost everything
19:53 <Flex> :p
19:54 <G5> Oh right, Cricket u play with ur colonies ... :)
19:54 <Concord> no you guys were cool until 1914
19:54 <G5> I mean India and Aussieland
19:54 <Monkey_arma> cricket sucks anyway
19:54 <Flex> g5 is german right?
19:54 <Concord> deutscher
19:55 <Flex> well they suck at everything and play nothing!
19:55 <Concord> then they suck at nothing
19:55 <Flex> if they don't play at it, they don't actually be good at it do they?
19:55 <G5> Flex: yep
19:56 <G5> Germany sucks in a lot of things.
19:58 <Concord> so the US.  . .
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19:59 <Flex> the biggest suckers are the US
19:59 <Flex> clearly
20:00 <Concord> we just have the most recent downfall
20:00 <Concord> but yeh
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21:27 <epsy> Lucifer, are you _planning_ on using OpenAL or did you already commit?
21:27 <epsy> apps that uses OpenAL sound often tends to give fucked up sounds on my computer
21:28 <epsy> not really problematic for me and arma, since i just turn volume down when playing arma
21:28 <epsy> but that could affect other guys
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21:37 <epsy> Lucifer, oh, and, while you're at it, does the sound engine actually work? as in, can it play a sound when someone joins?
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22:12 <Lucifer> epsy: planning
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