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Log from 2008-06-04:
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00:28 <armabot> pkgsrc-wip: hoka_adam * wip/Makefile: Add armagetronad.
00:30 <Lucifer_pen> looks like that's for http://pkgsrc-wip.sourceforge.net/
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00:41 <Flex> #tell guru3 here?
00:41 <Flex> #ping
00:41 <armabot> pong
00:42 <Flex> #later guru3 hello?
00:43 <Lucifer_pen> #later tell Flex this is how you do it
00:43 <armabot> Lucifer_pen: The operation succeeded.
00:43 <Flex> oh yeah right
00:43 <Flex> #later tell guru3 hey? speak to me when you read this. thanks
00:43 <armabot> Flex: The operation succeeded.
00:43 <Flex> thanks^
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00:45 <Lucifer_pen> #later tell Flex np, anytime.
00:45 <armabot> Lucifer_pen: The operation succeeded.
00:45 <Lucifer_pen> #m Flex this can also be used, iirc.  ;)
00:45 <armabot> Lucifer_pen: The operation succeeded.
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00:45 <Flex> Lucifer_pen, do you have forum admin? could you assist me with something on the forums
00:45 <Lucifer_pen> I don't have forum admin
01:02 <akira_arma> #tea
01:02 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
01:02 <akira_arma> :(
01:02 <akira_arma> #slap Lucifer
01:02 <armabot> akira_arma slaps Lucifer for being a raving moron.
01:03 <akira_arma> still waiting for that homemade wine....
01:14 <StickyNoob> #tea
01:14 <armabot> StickyNoob: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
01:14 <StickyNoob> dam americans not filling out the servers late night
01:17 <Flex> some how my forum account went inactive.. maybe because i changed my email and i didn't get the activate link
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01:18 <Flex> or some bullshit like that
02:10 <Lucifer_pen> #send akira_noob another bottle of wine
02:10 <armabot> I have sent another bottle of wine to akira_noob, it should arrive shortly.
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04:37 <Lucifer_arma> #send akira_arma another bottle of wine
04:37 <armabot> I have sent another bottle of wine to akira_arma, it should arrive shortly.
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05:10 <spidey_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtkDpYlySRM&feature=related
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> is that dork you, spidey?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll plug in headphones and listen to it
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> I think of 20 inch rims when I masturbate
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj9dLksw2p0&feature=related
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> who wants to catholic my balls?
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I can outfunny that guy
06:11 <spidey_> u
06:18 <akira_arma> I
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06:30 <spidey_> http://www.break.com/index/hotel-front-desk-prank-call.html
06:30 <spidey_> LOL
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> obama's claiming the nomination
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> i can hear the saturated fight that is falling off your fat-ass face, haha
07:25 <akira_arma> does it make any sense going to elect in US anyways?
07:25 <akira_arma> besides Ron Paul
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does, as long as you don't elect that crackpot from Texas
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> spidey_: the caller's the one who got pranked
07:26 <akira_arma> well
07:26 <akira_arma> they are interchangable
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> who is?
07:26 <akira_arma> major 3
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> McCain, Obama, and Clinton?
07:27 <akira_arma> at least when it comes to foreign policy
07:27 <akira_arma> i dont follow internal policies though
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, that's not all that's on the plate this time
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, you're american, right?
07:27 <akira_arma> no
07:27 <akira_arma> lol
07:27 <akira_arma> God forbid that
07:27 <akira_arma> ;)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok.  :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, we're experience some of the effects of the No Child Left Behind Act, and while I was interested in McCain before,
07:28 <akira_arma> O.o
07:28 <akira_arma> WTF lucifer ;)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> if he keeps standing on "let's punish schools who can't force every kid to be normal", I'm a vote for Obama
07:29 <akira_arma> well i am certianly not amused by the coming war..
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> Hillary's right, teachers are only teaching the standardized tests, filling kids' heads up with useless isolated memorized facts so they can answer multiple choice questions on the subject
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> look, we're not going to invade AkiraLand, ok?  ;)
07:29 <akira_arma> no
07:29 <akira_arma> but iran
07:30 <akira_arma> not invade
07:30 <akira_arma> tho
07:30 <akira_arma> but bombarding is pretty liekly
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> I think McCain's playing the "I won't surrender in Iraq" card mostly to keep support of conservatives
07:30 <akira_arma> likely
07:30 <akira_arma> well that attack will come before bush leaves
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, well, ok
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> I really don't see military commanders assenting to such an attack
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> not when they can see what's coming up
07:31 <akira_arma> sure but some got replaced
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they'll play the "we have to wait for the bombs to be built" card, but they'll delay it
07:31 <akira_arma> nah
07:31 <akira_arma> the'll fake something
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> one guy resigned because he made an ass out of the administration he's supposed to serve
07:31 <akira_arma> like they never did that before
07:31 <akira_arma> actually thats only half of the story lucifer
07:31 <akira_arma> he was persuaded for several months
07:32 <akira_arma> but having free and objective sources on such stuff is hard to come by
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> persuaded to do what?
07:32 <akira_arma> w/o sources
07:32 <akira_arma> having*
07:32 <akira_arma> resign
07:33 <akira_arma> anyways
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's true, I was responding to the "sure but some got replaced" comment
07:33 <akira_arma> ah
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only bigwig that's being replaced, and it's resulted in everybody moving up a notch
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> so Petraeus actually has more power than he had before
07:33 <akira_arma> well I still think they'll drop some bombs
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, the guy let Bush cut his balls off
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> he was a good general before Bush got his hands on him
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, they won't do anything with Iran until after the election
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> McCain's been pretty hawkish toward Iran, too
07:34 <akira_arma> i differ
07:34 <akira_arma> my sources say diff *
07:34 <akira_arma> ;)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> feel free to differ, but I'm curious what your sources are :)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> you're not GOrdon Brown, are you?
07:34 <akira_arma> www.capaigniran.org/casmii
07:34 <akira_arma> campaign
07:34 <akira_arma> sorry
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> Firefox can't find the server at www.capaigniran.org.
07:35 <akira_arma> www.campaigniran.org/casmii
07:35 <akira_arma> pretty good linked and quoted
07:35 <akira_arma> of course its not the holy grail of objectiveness
07:35 <akira_arma> hardly anything can claim that
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, this can't even claim to be even a little bit objective :)
07:36 <akira_arma> well it is
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> About 6 in 10 Americans (59%) think it would be a good idea for the president of the United States to meet with the president of Iran. This includes about half of Republicans, a majority of independents, and most Democrats.
07:36 <akira_arma> well you should always check the sources
07:36 <akira_arma> of the articles
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that information is true, or more importantly, you're willing to accept it as true, that is actually the reason I don't think the current administration will fuck with Iran
07:37 <akira_arma> of course some are to be doubted
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> Most americans, near as I can tell, don't want a general war in the middle east
07:37 <akira_arma> yes
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we want to either "finish the job" in Iraq, or pull out, but leave the region alone
07:38 <akira_arma> but since when did your governemnt care
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07:38 <Lucifer_arma> Invading Iran, or bombing Iran, would provoke a general war in the middle east
07:38 <akira_arma> yes
07:38 <akira_arma> thats what israel wants
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> we've ejected federal governments that ignored us before, what makes you think we wont' do it this time?
07:38 <akira_arma> so they can finally claim supreme reign
07:38 <akira_arma> over it
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> Israel doesn't run the US!
07:38 <akira_arma> but has a large lobby
07:38 <akira_arma> up to the highest places
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> if you haven't noticed, even Bush has been saying Israel should recognize Palestine
07:39 <akira_arma> i also noticed his backup
07:39 <akira_arma> for israel
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07:39 <akira_arma> like hillarys
07:39 <akira_arma> which was even more "constructive"
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> probably the only good thing this administration has done in foreign policy is support palestinian independence and/or represantation in Jerusalem
07:39 <akira_arma> LOL
07:39 <akira_arma> nvm
07:40 <akira_arma> i wont get into a discussion about that again
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> Now, BUsh hates Hamas, says they're terrorists, but his fundamental stand is "Palestinians should decide for themselves"
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> he just doesn't like Hamas :)
07:40  * Lucifer_arma disagrees with Bush, as usual, and is happy to recognize Hamas
07:40 <akira_arma> he can say what he wants
07:40 <akira_arma> and act otherwise
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> nah, he's not Bill Clinton, he'd never get away with that :)
07:41 <akira_arma> didnt he get away with it?
07:41 <akira_arma> like iraq?
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> once upon a time, but he's lost his republican support
07:41 <akira_arma> like 9/11?
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> if you haven't noticed, and it's ok if you haven't, but McCain is a Democrat that's wearing red right now
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> McCain's platform is far to the left of Bush that it's amazing he won the nomination at all
07:41 <akira_arma> i am pretty sure that like 90% of the mass media in Us is under control
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> Hell, McCain was one of the first republicans, if not the first, to defect from Bush back in 06 or 05
07:42 <akira_arma> at least the major broadcasting stations
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> Fox gives a conservative bias, since the rest gives a liberal bias
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what you're reading, but most of what I'm reading is extremely criticial of Bush
07:42 <akira_arma> you can say
07:42 <akira_arma> FOX lies
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> and these days I'm reaidng mostly US sources
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> Fox doesn't intentionally lie.  :)  They just repeat verbatim and without question whatever Bush says ;)
07:43 <akira_arma> thats lying
07:43 <akira_arma> nvm
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's repeating lies :)
07:43 <akira_arma> = lying
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> if I tell you the sky is red, and you believe me, and you tell someone else the sky is red, did you lie?
07:43 <akira_arma> and i am pretty sure some people in charge know that
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well yeah, Scott McClellan is all over the news right now
07:44 <akira_arma> maybe the normal TV reporter doesnt
07:44 <akira_arma> and i dont care for him
07:44 <akira_arma> because he is "repating"
07:44 <akira_arma> repeating*
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> Fox is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party, they might as well be run by Rush Limbaugh
07:44 <akira_arma> such stations should be forbidden
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> why?
07:45 <akira_arma> media has to be objective
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much all the other news sources are liberally biased
07:45 <akira_arma> else you dont allow people to make an informed decision
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the media will never be objective, and it *never* has been
07:45 <akira_arma> i mean ideally
07:45 <akira_arma> but fox is simply lying
07:45 <akira_arma> thats not good
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> we don't live in an ideal world, we have to deal with practical reality
07:45 <akira_arma> SIGH
07:45 <akira_arma> so continue with the clusterfuck till it blows up
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> and the practical reality is that to reach objectivity, you really need multiple viewpoints
07:46 <akira_arma> ..
07:46 <akira_arma> republican view is no valid viewpoint
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> hey, you're talking to a guy that reads non-US sources just to get different viewpoints, mind you
07:46 <akira_arma> because it threatens the survival or our species
07:46 <akira_arma> of*
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> many republicans have valid concerns, that if properly addressed, will result in good things for all
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is in the implementation, not in the concerns
07:46 <akira_arma> ...
07:46 <akira_arma> if you say so
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's a fact that we were attacked by radical muslims, and it's a problem we have to address
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I happpen to think we should address it by cutting off relations with muslim nations for a couple of years, then starting fresh
07:47 <akira_arma> you were .. but your agencies simply allowed it
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> our agencies were already pretty well straight-jacketed by concerns of privacy
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> look
07:47 <akira_arma> it was widely known that radical groups planned such a thing
07:48 <luke-jr> I happen to think we should nuke Israel so nobody wants to fight over it.
07:48 <akira_arma> :O
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> before you get all crazy about it, I'm willing to *be* one of the casualties in a terrorist attack in order to let our agencies not prevent it and protect privacy
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> knowing that the FBI couldn't share data with the NSA because of privacy protections, I would have walked into the WTC and gotten killed
07:48 <akira_arma> And there are also theories of an inside job
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> whack-job theories, yeah :)
07:48 <akira_arma> which isnt that way off
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> use occam's razor as much as possible when following the helicopter guys
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> the only theory that makes sense to me is that Bush funded the attacks
07:49 <akira_arma> if you see how suplementary that incident was for the policy of bush
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> ?  his policy before that had nothing to do with the middle east
07:49 <akira_arma> lol..
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> he was narrowly focused on relations with Mexico
07:49 <akira_arma> are you really saying that?
07:50 <akira_arma> there were plans to get into the mideast forever
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I am, but I want to qualify it by pointing out that his family has had relations with middle eastern oil drillers for decades
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not really possible to say Bush had no interest in it
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07:50 <Lucifer_arma> look, if you want me to defend Bush, I'm going to hate you forever, and that would be sad because I like you
07:50 <akira_arma> eh
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so pleeeease don't put me in the position of defending Bush
07:50 <akira_arma> :D
07:50 <akira_arma> nono
07:50 <akira_arma> i dont
07:50 <akira_arma> i am just weary
07:51 <akira_arma> if my present environemtn
07:51 <akira_arma> of*Ü
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> Trust me, then.  We're not going to fuck with Iran in Bush's lame duck period
07:51 <akira_arma> arrr frekin keys
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> we've got enough checks and balances to prevent that, at least
07:51 <akira_arma> i am not sure
07:51 <akira_arma> yes
07:51 <akira_arma> but i am not sure
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> Then dont' be sure, and just wait for the election :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> Obama's favored to win right now
07:51 <akira_arma> i didnt think they would do it to yugoslawia
07:51 <akira_arma> but they did
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> and *he* wants to talk to Iran
07:52 <akira_arma> i didnt think they'd do it to iraq
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> Yugoslavia *needed* to be stopped
07:52 <akira_arma> WTF
07:52 <akira_arma> lol
07:52 <akira_arma> thats bs
07:52 <akira_arma> total
07:52 <akira_arma> bs
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> I was pretty sure they'd hit iraq, as dumb as it was
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> now I have to ask you, where are you from?
07:52 <akira_arma> germany
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok
07:52 <akira_arma> i know a bit better what happened there
07:53 <akira_arma> i also know about fake claims our foreign minister presented
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to pretend the US did a bang up job in Yugoslavia, but last time I checked, there was international consensus that there was genocide in Yugoslavia,
07:53 <akira_arma> etcetc
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> and that NATO made the right move
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> NATO isn't US + Germany
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> in case you were wondering
07:53 <akira_arma> it just happened to be in querope
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's US + a bunch of other countries
07:53 <akira_arma> and
07:53 <akira_arma> it wasnt THAT bad
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> women, children, and other non-combatants were rounded up into camps and slaughtered
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's not bad enough for you?
07:54 <akira_arma> i happen to think that they wanted to finish off a socialist state
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm wiling to take up guns myself to fight that
07:54 <akira_arma> i sure think there were bad treatsm,ents
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> the communist yugoslav state was already gone at that point
07:54 <akira_arma> but they happen everywhere
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> not just bad, people being rounded up into camps, women raped, then everybody killed
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> *both* sides were doing it!
07:55 <akira_arma> so kill some more
07:55 <akira_arma> ...
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not like we had a particular bad guy we were after, we wanted the stupid killing to stop so the regular war could proceed as usual
07:55 <akira_arma> bs
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> what would you prefer?  We sit aside and let the killing continue?
07:55 <akira_arma> they wanted to balcanaize anotehr country
07:55 <akira_arma> and get footholds
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> That wasn't a US-only move, either
07:55 <akira_arma> ...
07:55 <akira_arma> i know
07:55 <akira_arma> susal NATO military game
07:55 <akira_arma> usual
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm willing to concede that the US came in with their own selfish interests in the establishment of the states afterwards
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm not willing to consider that we acted improperly in our initial action
07:56 <akira_arma> and these "freedom" strikes will always lead to more violence
07:56 <akira_arma> always
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> there was multilateral support for the actions, and it wasn't about freedom
07:56 <akira_arma> man
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> it was about stopping the concentration camps
07:56 <akira_arma> well guess you wont understand me
07:57 <akira_arma> violence always precedes violence
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> look, we objected to Spain's concentration policy in Cuba once upon a time
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> it took violence to stop your Hitler, and it took violence to stop Napolean
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes you have to fight
07:57 <akira_arma> BS
07:57 <akira_arma> :)
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, let's just let Napolean walk all over Europe
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of world would that leave you in?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, I *like* Napolean :)
07:58 <akira_arma> you dont know and i either
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> true, but the alliance that defeated him made for a stronger Europe, for atime
07:58 <akira_arma> i mean those guys used violence too
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> and it has all led to the Europen Union
07:58 <akira_arma> so they caused violence
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm really freaking excited about the EU
07:58 <akira_arma> bah
07:58 <akira_arma> i am not
07:58 <akira_arma> its another mean to make the rich richer
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like the EU to form under good conditions, but the idea that all these regions that have pretty much been at war with one another for 3000 years coming together as one nation is really awesome
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> not even the US can claim that sort of peacemaking :)
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my only real point is that sometimes you fight, and sometimes you talk
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> we no doubt agree that Iran is a "talk" situation
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> we probably agree for the most part on what US foreign policy should look like right now, you just amazingly are more cynical abouty US government than I am
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> and I didn't think that was possible
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> but after the fiasco that is Iraq, this administration couldn't talk us into military exercises in Alabama
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> any new military action will wait until after the election, Bush is a lame duck, and his generals and top military commanders will still be there after the election,
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> and they're not going to throw away their careers at this point
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> and right this minute, I want Obama to win
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted him to win a year ago, and was told he wasn't even a remote possibility, and here he's got the nomination
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm damned excited
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12:21 <akira_arma> Take what Clinton said in February at an AIPAC meeting in New York: "Israel is a beacon of what's right in a neighborhood overshadowed by the wrongs of radicalism, extremism, despotism and terrorism." A year before, Clinton was in favor of sitting and talking to Iran's leadership.
12:22 <StickyNoob> endorsing a country and agreeing to speak to them are not the same thing
12:23 <akira_arma> just as an example for the lobbyism
12:24 <StickyNoob> probably more an example of vote grabbing
12:28 <StickyNoob> also remember the old political truth, a person who changes their mind after thinking about the issue in real life is a thoughtful considered person, a politician who does it is a weak flip flopper
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12:29 <StickyNoob> im not saying Clinton really did think and change her mind, i just think politicians should be allowed to change their mind without critasism
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12:56 <spidey_> And what about patches? Will people line up at schools for heart-implant fixes, like for today's flu shot? Will viruses distribute false patches, and infect body parts? Or an apocalyptic scenario: What if our cybernetic tools synchronized themselves with Outlook.
12:57 <spidey_> appearently it's possible to hack a pacemaker using wifi
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15:06 <akira_arma> http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-05-20-n15.html
15:44 <Flex> The internet was only one of many transfer technologies.
15:44 <Flex> ok
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20:42 <Lucifer> what's the point of two candidates fighting each other for the nomination and folks going down to pick if they're just going to wind up on the same ticket anyway?
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23:44 <armabot> debian-custom: tille junior * r797 /trunk/debian-junior/ (debian/changelog tasks/games-gl): s/armagetron/armagetronad/
23:47 <epsy> so we can finally say armagetronad is child-proof! debian said it!
23:48  * Monkey_arma spits on debian
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