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Log from 2008-03-11:
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00:53 <Hoax-> si sumo
00:53 <Hoax-> #si sumo
00:53 <armabot> Hoax-: Wild West  =Sumo=: Players (12/14): SNAFU, |SR|Shock, ~ A ~, ~ G ~, ~ K ~, ~ Q ~, ~ T ~, ~ U ~, ~ W ~, ~ X ~, ~ | ~, °·¹·²·³
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02:14 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8305 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated Mac OS X build instructions.
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8306 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Xcode changed something. armagetronad-dedicated is now explicitly known as
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: compiled.mach-o.executable filetype. Well done Xcode...
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8307 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: Added rakefile.rb and xcode.rake to project. Moved shared.xcconfig to MacOS
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: group.
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--- Log opened Tue Mar 11 05:28:30 2008
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05:28 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 24 normal]
05:28 <[dlh]> Having troubles building?
05:29 <Durka_> I downloaded and placed the libs into /Libraries/Frameworks
05:29 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 34 secs
05:29 <Durka_> and I checked out the trunk
05:29 <Durka_> and I don't exactly know what to do next
05:29 <Durka_> since I can't open project.pbxproj
05:29 <[dlh]> you have Xcode installed?
05:30 <Durka_> o
05:30 <Durka_> I forgot I got a new computer
05:30 <Durka_> I had it on my old laptop lol
05:30 <Durka_> x(
05:30 <[dlh]> Yeah, you'll definitely need Xcode :)
05:33 <Durka_> wow, this file is 1.1 GB :O
05:33 <Durka_> this will take a couple of hours :P
05:33 <Durka_> "29 minutes remaining" my ass ;)
05:33 <[dlh]> It should come on the install DVD with your computer also
05:33 <Durka_> I know
05:34 <Durka_> but this computer came with leopard
05:34 <Durka_> so I didn't bother
05:34 <Durka_> I should've installed it then
05:34 <Durka_> >.<
05:35 <Durka_> the download is going relatively fast though (I guess) I'm already at 88mb / 1.16 gb
05:35 <Durka_> :P
05:35 <Durka_> make it 96 :D
05:40 <Ttech> Durka_,  ;P
05:40 <Ttech> ;)
05:41 <Durka_> :D
05:51 <Ttech> bbl
05:52 <Durka_> 800/1000
05:53  * Ttech is enjyoing quotes from my networks quote book
05:53 <Ttech> *channel
05:57 <Ttech> 0.
05:57 <Ttech> 0
05:58 <[dlh]> #night
05:58 <armabot> Good night [dlh]!
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06:01 <Durka_> it said 29 minutes from 9:36
06:02 <Durka_> that would be one minute from now
06:02 <Durka_> it now says 10 sec remaining :P
06:02 <Durka_> done
06:02 <Durka_> wow exactly
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06:32 <Durka_> anyone home?
06:34 <antric> no
06:34 <Durka_> damn
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07:26 <antric> bougs!
07:32 <MrBougo> antric!
07:32 <MrBougo> heh, who are you? :p
07:32 <MrBougo> you must be...
07:32 <antric> you know who i am
07:32 <MrBougo> I KNEW IT
07:32 <MrBougo> well you're probly right
07:32 <MrBougo> but i don't know any "antric" guy
07:33 <antric> well, i've got you on my jabber list
07:33 <antric> ...except you never sign on anymore
07:33 <antric> Ant.
07:33 <MrBougo> who do I know in Canada
07:33 <MrBougo> jabber? i have no jabber :o
07:33 <MrBougo> i have (had) AIM, is that related?
07:33 <MrBougo> or was that ICQ? lol
07:33 <MrBougo> oh Ant :o
07:34 <MrBougo> yay!
07:34 <MrBougo> :D
07:34 <antric> mistabougs@*.com
07:34 <MrBougo> ayep
07:34 <MrBougo> right, i remember
07:34 <MrBougo> jabber, right :p
07:34 <MrBougo> oh wupsi
07:35 <MrBougo> must go to school now
07:35 <antric> heh. see ya
07:35 <MrBougo> have a nice day!
07:35 <antric> you too
07:35 <MrBougo> or more like night, no?
07:35 <MrBougo> yey, cya "tomorrow" maybe
07:35 <antric> later
07:36 <MrBougo> bye, guy from the past, enjoy my March 11
07:36 <MrBougo> hah
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09:38 <Durka> eddiefantastic: :(
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Finite-State-Arg.aspx
15:36 <wrtlprnft> that one rocks!
15:36 <wrtlprnft> I actually like it :-D
15:37 <wrtlprnft> besides the reinventing the wheel thing and not exiting on curState == 0 it's a great piece of art
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17:24 <eddiefantastic> Hi, has anyone time to look for mistakes, breaks, or things missing from this page: http://eddie.plantpeanuts.co.uk/maptools/
17:31 <wrtlprnft> where's the generate CTWF style ultimate map button?
17:31 <wrtlprnft>    <label for="rotation">Decimal Places</label>
17:31 <wrtlprnft>    <input type="text" size="5" id="decplaces" name="decplaces" value="3" /><br/>
17:32 <wrtlprnft> that should be for="decplaces"
17:32 <eddiefantastic> ah, thx
17:32 <wrtlprnft> otherwise your focus goes to the wrong field if clicking the label :-)
17:33 <eddiefantastic> me n my cut and pastes
17:34 <epsy> hehe :)
17:34  * epsy is recognizing himself in that
17:36 <eddiefantastic> I didn't even know you could click the label to do to a field :S
17:36 <eddiefantastic> do=go
17:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, there's no way i can get a colored name from an ePlayerNetID, right?
17:37 <epsy> oh, nvm :)
17:40 <wrtlprnft> just << it into an ostream
17:41 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: few people know it, and too few website makers use the label tag
17:41  * wrtlprnft hates trying to hit check/radio boxes without an accociated label
17:42 <wrtlprnft> virtually OS GUIs allow you to just click on the label
17:42 <wrtlprnft> *virtually all
17:44 <epsy> wrtlprnft, using a tOutput for that purpose :)
17:45 <wrtlprnft> just do what the score messages do :P
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18:04 <epsy> meh
18:04 <epsy> how do i know if my ePlayerNetID is a bot?
18:06 <epsy> oh :)
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18:49 <spidey> #ping
18:49 <epsy> pong
18:49 <epsy> :|
18:49 <spidey> lol
18:49 <armabot> pong
18:49 <epsy> armabot is definitvely a blonde
18:50 <spidey> ;p;
18:50 <spidey> lol
18:50 <spidey> got my new modem today
18:50 <spidey> better than before, but i think most of this was on bellsouth's end
18:50 <spidey> because it's still sucking :O
18:51 <epsy> :|
18:52 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-work
19:14 <epsy> hm, crap
19:15 <epsy> 	newName << tColoredString::ColorString( r/15.0, g/15.0, b/15.0 ) << name << tColoredString::ColorString( 1, 1, 1 );
19:16 <epsy> is there any better form than this?
19:17 <wrtlprnft>     tColoredString name;
19:17 <wrtlprnft>     name << *this << tColoredString::ColorString(1,1,1);
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that's what AddScore does
19:18 <epsy> well, it isn't *this (yet)
19:18 <wrtlprnft> *this being a ePlayerNetID
19:19 <wrtlprnft> you can just as well say *somePlayerNetIDYouGotFromSomewhereProbablyse_playerNetIDsOrSomePlayerMinusGreaterThanObjectOpeningBracketClosingBracket
19:19 <epsy> basically i'm throwing that to tOutput(), the return being put on the con, so the operator knows something happened
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19:20 <epsy> oh, and for info, i'm letting an operator rename someone
19:20  * wrtlprnft thinks the operator<< is different for tColoredString
19:21 <epsy> since the actual rename happens between rounds, i had to set a nameFromAdmin_, and edit ePlayerNetID::UpdateName()
19:22 <epsy> and since it only happens between rounds, this means the op would only know it minutes later, so i thought sending it a little message could be handy
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> oh
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> operator not being a c++ operator but an armathentication guy?
19:22 <epsy> yes :)
19:24  * wrtlprnft thinks you can rename someone right in the middle of a round
19:24 <epsy> yes, but that messes up everything
19:28 <wrtlprnft> what happens if you change a player's color on the fly, by the way
19:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if the clients accept the change
19:30 <epsy> i think yes, i remember seeing such things happening at round start on some very old servers
19:30 <wrtlprnft> there's no reason for them not to :-)
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19:30 <epsy> indeed, too :)
19:30 <wrtlprnft> anyways, I still don't get your problem
19:31 <epsy> i was just asking how crap was that line
19:31 <epsy> but knowing there would be no other way..
19:31 <wrtlprnft> not a lot if name doesn't yet belong to a player
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19:36 <wrtlprnft> the really sucky thing is that arma has at least 4 ways to represent colors
19:36 <epsy> and even more to looks for players :)
19:36 <epsy> *-s
19:39 <wrtlprnft> well, that's a good thing
19:39 <wrtlprnft> as long as they all accomplish different jobs
19:40 <epsy> and a way to confuse our server operator, too :-/
19:42 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:42 <wrtlprnft> the /msg, KICK, BAN, KILL stuff has been unified
19:43 <epsy> yes, hopefully
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19:45 <wrtlprnft> what do you mean?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> they use the same function
19:46 <epsy> there was a time they didn't, did they?
19:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:46 <wrtlprnft> not too long ago
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19:46 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work unified it when he did armathentication
19:47 <wrtlprnft> all hail z-man!
19:47  * epsy also found the old default instant chats in ePlayer.cpp :þ
19:47 <epsy> z-man-work*
19:47 <wrtlprnft> epsy: where would those be?
19:47 <+noob7> what would be the best place for me to post little things that bother me about the alpha client? some forums thread for it?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> noob7: what alpha client?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.3 or 0.3.1?
19:48 <epsy> wrtlprnft, or wait... the « only idiots write in colors » one is only in trun?
19:48 <epsy> k
19:48 <wrtlprnft> epsy: yeah
19:49 <epsy> ah, nvm then :P
19:49 <+noob7> 0.3.1 is beta right? :P but yes, the 0.2.8.3 one
19:50 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.1 isn't even alpha, technically
19:50 <wrtlprnft> noob7: then go to the release progress thread
19:51 <+noob7> ok, thanks :)
19:51 <epsy> ah, it seems to be fully working this time
19:51 <epsy> argh not that again
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20:11 <epsy> alright, that looks like working
20:20 <epsy> player_rename_rejected_admin  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffff [...]
20:20 <madmax> wrtlprnft: that thing seems to work without being logged too
20:20 <epsy> anyone with a good english could help me ? :þ
20:21 <wrtlprnft> madmax: eww.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: with what?
20:21  * wrtlprnft is not claiming to be good at english
20:22 <epsy> wrtlprnft, player_rename_rejected in a 'you got banned from doing this by admin' fashion
20:23 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with your first suggestion?
20:24 <epsy> " [...] " ?
20:24 <wrtlprnft> on admin/moderator order?
20:25 <epsy> we will need a term for this 'admin/moderator' thing :/
20:25 <epsy> currently we're just saying 'Administrator' everywhere, as if other access levels didn't exist
20:26  * epsy suggests Server Operator
20:30 <+noob7> just call it "Server settings" ? more abstract and fits, because the owner chooses his "settings" and these "settings" then restrict renaming and such?
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 		if ( !p->GetAccessLevel() > se_shuffleUpAccessLevel )
20:30  * wrtlprnft hits wrtlprnft 
20:31 <+noob7> as in "The server settings restrict your ability to change your nickname"
20:31 <epsy> noob7, we are restricting a single player there
20:31 <+noob7> yes, just he gets the nessage?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> epsy: just read the access level for your FORCE_RENAME command
20:32 <+noob7> just an idea :)
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20:32 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ah, how do i know who did that?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> who cares
20:32 <epsy> haha
20:32 <wrtlprnft> an administrator is also a moderator.
20:34 <epsy> player_rename_rejected_admin    \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffff, as it's name was locked by the administrator.\n
20:34 <Bougo> #ping
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8308 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:
20:34 <armabot> pong
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Actually make ACCESS_LEVEL_SHUFFLE_UP work...
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Don't look at the error, and if you do, please don't remember that I ever did such a stupid mistake.
20:35 <epsy> you forced me to look at it, wrtlprnft :-P
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20:48 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8309 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): more helpful "you can't shuffle up" message
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21:05 <epsy> http://82.227.65.72:4539/%7Eepsy/rename.patch
21:05 <epsy>  * RENAME <player_to_rename> <new name>
21:05 <epsy>  * ALLOW_RENAME_PLAYER <player>
21:06 <epsy>  * DISALLOW_RENAME_PLAYER <player>
21:13 <luke-jr_> -static tSettingItem<bool> se_enaChat("ENABLE_CHAT", se_enableChat);
21:13 <luke-jr_> +static tSettingItem< bool > se_enaChat("ENABLE_CHAT", se_enableChat);
21:13 <luke-jr_> epsy: why?
21:14 <epsy> luke-jr_, they all looked like that in the context
21:14 <epsy> just a typo if you like
21:14 <luke-jr_> what does that have to do with renaming? O.o
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21:26 <epsy> luke-jr_, nothing, i was just thinking of putting sth there and seen that
21:26 <wrtlprnft> epsy: -player_rename_rejected  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffffright now to avoid confusion with kick votes.\n
21:26 <wrtlprnft> that's far more interesting
21:27 <luke-jr_> epsy: clean patches are nicer
21:27 <wrtlprnft> looks like copy,paste and edit without the paste
21:27 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:27 <epsy> wrtlprnft, move it to player_rename_rejected_votekick
21:27 <epsy> *moved
21:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i noticed
21:28 <wrtlprnft> as long as it's not translated…
21:28 <wrtlprnft> better ask z-man for confirmation, though.
21:28 <epsy> i didn't edit translation files
21:29 <z-man> not even the french one?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad3/branch/language/deutsch.txt:player_rename_rejected        \1 0xffffffdarf sich nicht in \2 0xffffffumbenennen, das k�nnte die Abstimmenden verwirren.\n
21:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad3/branch/language/english_base.txt:player_rename_rejected  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffffright now to avoid confusion with kick votes.\n
21:30 <epsy> well i can just move them in all languages if you prefer
21:30 <wrtlprnft> all languages = english and german
21:30 <epsy> in all languages we currently have* :)
21:32  * wrtlprnft wonders what one could use that command for
21:32 <z-man> Ah, yes, if you rename a language item, you should edit all language files we have and make the change.
21:32 <wrtlprnft> if someone has an offensive nick just kick them after a warning
21:32 <z-man> Otherwise, the translators would think they'd need to translate it again.
21:32 <epsy> z-man, ok, i'ill moce them and update the patch
21:33 <epsy> *move
21:38 <z-man> epsy: No tabs, please :)
21:38 <epsy> updated, but only deutsch.txt had it
21:38 <z-man> And usually, all our functions start with an uppercase letter.
21:38 <epsy> z-man, argh, where did i put one ?
21:39 <z-man> lots of places
21:39 <z-man> says KWrite, anyway.
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21:42 <epsy> hm, 8 spaces in gVim always gives tabs when auto-indenting
21:48 <epsy> ok, done reindenting and changed bool ePlayerNetID::isAllowedToRename ( void ) to bool ePlayerNetID::IsAllowedToRename ( void )
21:49 <z-man> Thanks, I'll look at the logic a bit.
21:50 <z-man> Do you want to apply for svn/bzr commit rights? :)
21:50 <epsy> i'd prefer to know how to prevent vim from putting Tabs first :P
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21:54  * wrtlprnft just got autokicked from café for issuing too many command votes that got rejected
21:54 <wrtlprnft> who in their right mind rejects /vote command say hi?
21:55 <epsy> it's like half can't vote for such polls i noticed
21:55 <epsy> some say, 'hey i voted for it' but i never seen their vote being announced
21:55 <+noob7> hi
21:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: :h tabs
21:55 <wrtlprnft> probably
21:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, found that http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=12
21:56 <wrtlprnft> :set ts=100 softtabstop=4 works
21:57 <wrtlprnft> expandtab works, too, but it's boring :-P
21:58 <wrtlprnft> if we ever decide to use astyle again I vote for using tabs for indentation, spaces for everything else
22:00 <epsy> z-man, ok, can we carry this on tomorrow ?
22:01 <z-man> epsy: sure. OK if I apply your patch already?
22:02 <epsy> ok
22:10 <luke-jr_> @@ -3482,8 +3482,8 @@
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22:12 <epsy> luke-jr_, if i had a clue about that one :þ
22:12 <luke-jr_> epsy: svn diff -x -ubB
22:12 <epsy> spaces on an empty line i see
22:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man leaves tons of these now that astyle is out of buisness :-(
22:14 <z-man> Sorry ;)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> no problem. It just makes me wonder whether to remove them if I see them or not
22:15 <z-man> Feel free to do so. I just leave them because my emacses don't show them.
22:16  * wrtlprnft 's vim highlights tabs and trailing whitespace
22:16 <wrtlprnft> which means I can program in the whitespace language if I want
22:16 <z-man> The brainfuck clone?
22:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah :-)
22:18 <epsy> tired, cya
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22:20 <epsy> wrtlprnft, 21 Teams are registered to TST
22:20 <epsy> feel free to register the 22nd
22:22 <luke-jr_> epsy: can I register the 22nd?
22:23 <epsy> anyone is free to register a team as long as it's a 'serious' team
22:23 <luke-jr_> define serious
22:23 <epsy> ('serious' = not registering just for registering, bring two players :) )
22:23 <luke-jr_> so no-man teams aren't allowed?
22:24 <luke-jr_> that's discrimination! >:O
22:24 <epsy> as standed in the rules, a team consists of 2 players
22:24 <luke-jr_> -.-
22:24 <luke-jr_> discrimination‼
22:24 <epsy> well i can't prevent you from registerign with someone that finally wont play, but that's your problem
22:25 <luke-jr_> wait
22:25 <luke-jr_> I can't even register a team I'm not part of⁈
22:25 <epsy> i also can't prevent myself from doing tons of typos
22:25 <epsy> luke-jr_, no
22:25 <luke-jr_> -.-
22:26 <epsy> you can still go 'hey who wants to be my TST partner ?!'
22:28 <luke-jr_> I don't want to play tho
22:28 <luke-jr_> I just wanted to register a team
22:28 <epsy> that wouldn't be 'serious' :)
22:28 <luke-jr_> >.>
22:33 <epsy> right, good night
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23:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8310 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Applied epsy's name forcing patch with minor adaptions.
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8311 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: No more double "not allowed to rename" messages.
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Immediate response to admin player rename is "player will be renamed".
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