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01:44 <flex> I just realized something.
01:44 <flex> A is the 1st letter of the alphabet and H is the 8th letter, right?
01:44 <flex> 9/11=0.8181818181=HAHAHAHA.
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03:20 <Ttech> wrtlprnft, You alive?
03:21 <Ttech> #tell
03:21 <armabot> Ttech: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
03:21 <Ttech> #later tell wrtlprnft I have a question for you when you get a chance
03:21 <armabot> Ttech: The operation succeeded.
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08:29 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: well, you can always ask.
08:30 <wrtlprnft> brb, breakfast.
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10:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8201 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gGame.cpp): Manuel Moos: Disabling title screen when entering the game.
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14:18 <+P4> /players command doesn't convert ° -> o anymore :(
14:18 <+P4> #tea
14:18 <armabot> P4: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): CT׶4, Winamp, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~|Alien|~, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, °Flý+º+
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16:35 <philippeqc> hello
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16:46 <epsy> salut philippeqc
16:46 <philippeqc> salut
16:47 <epsy> quoi de neuf ? :)
16:47 <philippeqc> ba, en train de paufiner les zones v2
16:47 <epsy> hehe
16:47 <philippeqc> ca marche bien maintenant
16:47 <epsy> j'ai entendu dire ça
16:47 <philippeqc> sauf pour les cartes que ed a faites
16:48 <epsy> même si j'ai pas vraiment essayé encore, j'imagine que t'as fait du bon boulot :)
16:49 <philippeqc> je pense que person peut essayer encore comme j'ai pas encore documente les dernier changements
16:49 <epsy> je vois
16:50 <luke-jr> P4: 'anymore'?
16:50 <luke-jr> P4: when did it change to what?
16:51 <epsy> luke-jr, °°Ashitaka was transformed into ooashitaka before
16:51 <luke-jr> yeah, that part was clear epsy
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17:31 <+P4> luke-jr: it was displaying ctxp4 instead of CT׶4
17:31 <+P4> now it displays CT׶4
17:31 <luke-jr> …
17:31 <luke-jr> what?
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17:33 <+P4> /players
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17:37 <luke-jr> P4: when did that change?
17:39 <+P4> dunno, with armathentication or maybe with ast wrlt change
17:39 <+P4> i've noticed it today
17:40 <luke-jr> ladderlog too?
17:43 <z-man> With armathentication
17:43 <z-man> no, not in ladderlog.
17:43 <z-man> It's just that /players now prints the screen names, not the ladderlog names.
17:45 <madmax> btw, is <nick>@forums authentication working right now? I was trying it earlier with no success...
17:45 <+P4> but can one use /msg p4 text to tell me sth?
17:46 <+P4> or one needs to type /msg ¶4 text
17:48 <epsy> both work
17:49 <+P4> ok
17:50 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/4Axe/Wacko/Funky-Fort-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
17:52 <epsy> heh, that map is worth a shot
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17:54 <epsy> hm not that one
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18:34 <freako> exit
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18:35 <+P4> guru3: when do you plan to add this dns alias 'ct' for crazy-tronners.com so we can authenticate easly? :)
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18:39 <luke-jr> P4: you can't do aliases
18:39 <+P4> how does /login x work then?
18:40 <luke-jr> 'x' is their 'domain'
18:40 <+P4> maybe i used wrong words ;P
18:40 <luke-jr> it's a change
18:40 <luke-jr> so anything done as crazy-tronners.com is lost when you change to 'ct'
18:40 <+P4> hmm, what do you mean?
18:41 <guru3> P4: i don't as of yet
18:41 <luke-jr> I mean P4@crazy-tronners.com will always be different from P4@ct
18:41 <luke-jr> unless someone adds alias support
18:41 <+P4> okay, i'm gonna disable crazy-tronners.com when ct will be working
18:41 <z-man> luke-jr: that's what the blurb is for.
18:41 <luke-jr> z-man: the blurb can't be trusted
18:42 <luke-jr> so it's useless
18:42 <z-man> Well, it wouldn't work otherwise in gereral.
18:42 <z-man> And you're always free to ask the aliased authority whether the blurb was correct.
18:43 <luke-jr> I don't have a hash to use
18:43 <luke-jr> but yes, that could work for complete domain redirects
18:44 <z-man> Specify a new query type then :)
18:44 <+P4> guru3: can you add domain ct.authentication.armagetronad.net pointing to crazy-tronners.com then?
18:44 <z-man> query=blurb&user=bla
18:44 <guru3> P4: sorry, i'm not convinced yet
18:44 <z-man> guru3: well, they
18:44 <z-man> 1. have a forum open for everyone
18:44 <z-man> 2. are big
18:45 <z-man> what was our third condition?
18:45 <+P4> and we do mail checking
18:45 <z-man> Oh yeah.
18:46 <+P4> is there anything else we can do to get this cname?
18:46 <z-man> Hack the DNS? :)
18:46 <guru3> sell me on it
18:46 <+P4> without abusing admins* ;P
18:47 <+P4> -.-
18:47 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Ctf/CtfsCustom-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
18:48  * z-man would pull the "we're bigger, better, stronger and contribute more to AA in general than X, and THEY have a shortcut" card.
18:48 <flex> but we're better
18:48 <flex> kkthxbye
18:48 <guru3> epsy just gave me a better impression somehow
18:49 <+P4> i thought this is welcome for anyone who matches the criteria you gave
18:49 <z-man> I gave the criteria :)
18:49 <guru3> but the criterion have not been decided
18:49 <guru3> or they have
18:49  * luke-jr thinks even having a criteria is stupid
18:49 <guru3> and no one told me
18:49 <luke-jr> guru3: just charge $10/yr
18:49 <guru3> i like luke-jr's model
18:49 <z-man> No, nobody stomped an admin foot on it.
18:50 <z-man> But if you don't agree, edit the wiki and start discussing it :)
18:53 <epsy> * z-man would pull the "we're bigger, better, stronger and contribute more to AA in general than X, and THEY have a shortcut" card.
18:53 <epsy> X = ¦×¦ ?
18:53 <z-man> whatever :)
18:53 <epsy> :þ
18:54 <luke-jr> z-man: btw, the ladderlog ones are already case-sensitive, right?
18:54 <luke-jr> for comparisons
18:54 <z-man> Yes, if the authority complies.
18:55 <z-man> Logged is whatever the authority returns as the true full name, with the few escapes that are required.
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19:00 <+P4> yay it works, thanks ;)
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19:29 <epsy> er
19:29  * epsy forgot what was SUSPEND without the 'ban'
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20:24 <epsy> the wiki is really laggy on rendering :/
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21:32 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8202 /clio/trunk/clio/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Revamped ownership concept.
21:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8203 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. tests/refcount.test/refcount.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed compatibility with base class.
21:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8204 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/objectwrapper.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed crash due to inconsistent breaking of relation to ObjectWrapperAware objects. Only two failing tests, yay!
21:34 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8205 /clio/trunk/clio/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Begun restructuring data conversion. Horriby broken.
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8206 /clio/trunk/clio/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Finished conversion revamping. Less breakage than expected :)
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8207 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/dataconversion_extended.hpp):
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Well, at least everything compiles again. Still, the same two tests
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: fail.
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22:38 <epsy> wrtlprnft, http://armagetron.at/~armagetronad/sacrifice.php is empty
22:40 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  you alive
22:46 <+P4> yes, i saw that empty page too
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00:14 <+P4> #svn
00:14 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
00:17 <libervisco> #lastseen durka
00:17 <libervisco> #lastseen dragon
00:18 <armabot> libervisco: timed out
00:18 <armabot> libervisco: Dragon Force has last been seen on ~"XzL.Clan The Server 2 minutes ago.
00:18 <libervisco> #lastseen durka
00:18 <armabot> libervisco: timed out
00:18 <libervisco> I doubt that's the dragon I'm looking for :S
00:18 <libervisco> doesn't matter anymore, they're both disqualified
00:19 <libervisco> mkzelda: 12 points
00:20 <libervisco> #lastseen ender
00:20 <armabot> libervisco: Bender has last been seen on The YELLOW Submarine 1 hour 43 minutes ago.
00:20 <libervisco> Not Bender :D
00:21 <libervisco> Well it's him not dragon.. disqed
00:21 <libervisco> Until tomorrow.
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00:36 <luke-jr> …
00:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8208 /clio/trunk/clio/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: I think I got all IOwnershipManagers properly reported to the conversion system.
00:52 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8209 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/objectwrapper.cpp): Manuel Moos: All tests pass again in non-valgrind mode.
00:53 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8210 /clio/trunk/clio/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: More conversion restructuring.
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8211 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/dataconversion.cpp clio/proxy.hpp):
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Renamed function so it actually overrides the correct base virtual.
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: This finally fixes the 12 byte leak in container.test I was after the
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: whole day :)
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01:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8212 /clio/trunk/clio/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Implemented function properties for virtual functions.
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01:38 <+duudii> #sd cheers
01:38 <armabot> duudii: [] Cheers! [] The friendly server.: Players (6/12): Alpha, Blind Sektor, BubbleGum Pilot, EAgleS, O--->, |BmK|KP
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06:55 <spidey__> System Up Time:            15 Days, 3 Hours, 16 Minutes, 24 Seconds
06:55 <spidey__> i'm suprised this box isn't lagging yet
06:55 <spidey__> (running windows xp)
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14:43 <luke-jr> btw spidey__
14:43 <luke-jr> that kline you got
14:43 <luke-jr> was automated
14:43 <luke-jr> nalioth has it scripted
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16:02 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8213 /clio/trunk/clio/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: IOwnershipManager::OnBreak now does the safe thing by default: it breaks all chained objects.
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16:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8214 /clio/trunk/clio/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Made conversions more safe, the converter now has the opportunity to modify the data conversion call.
16:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8215 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/dataconversion.cpp clio/iclassinfo.cpp clio/proxy.hpp): Manuel Moos: Using new opportunity to set ownership manager for cast results in the right spots.
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17:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8216 /clio/trunk/clio/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added smart pointers and reference counted objects into clio itself.
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17:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8217 /clio/trunk/clio/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: GCPointer now also uses SmartPointerInterface.
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17:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8218 /clio/trunk/clio/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Moved RCObject implementation into .cpp file.
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18:16 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: i already reported the preview thing to luke-jr (hi there!!!!), but he doesn't seem to bother to fix it. I even told him the error message.
18:17 <wrtlprnft> epsy: fixed, thanks
18:17 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: yeah, i am
18:17 <epsy> yw
18:17 <epsy> :(
18:17 <Ttech> hel
18:17 <Ttech> *helol
18:17 <Ttech> 54/me splaps keybor
18:17 <epsy> hello*
18:17 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  I need help with the cia bot
18:18 <epsy> w00t, 19 holing pts since yesterday
18:18 <wrtlprnft> is your bot on this network?
18:18 <epsy> now i'm in top 3 for the 3 columns LOL!
18:19 <wrtlprnft> :D
18:19 <epsy> btw, where are pos #4,#5,#6 ? :þ
18:19 <wrtlprnft> epsy: well, who would you put on those?
18:20 <madmax> now i understand why sometimes G5 is so pissed
18:20 <epsy> haha madmax
18:20 <wrtlprnft> madmax: :D
18:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: it just repeats the last rank number if there's a tie
18:21 <epsy> yeah i noticed ;þ
18:21 <epsy> you should keep in mem the last rank num, then add one instead of keeping the entry number
18:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> i specifically built it to work this way.
18:23 <epsy> right now if it's not a tie, you just use the key number from the array you fetched i guess?
18:23 <epsy> orly?
18:24 <epsy> idk, that doesn't look right to me
18:24 <wrtlprnft> meh.
18:24 <epsy> thyat makes you #5 :þ
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18:28 <epsy> 3.
18:29 <epsy> argh
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18:40 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://armagetron.at/~armagetronad/sacrifice.php
18:40 <wrtlprnft> happy now?
18:40 <epsy> :)
18:41 <epsy> wait
18:41 <epsy> actually you just adjusted the rowspan
18:41 <epsy> hehe
18:41 <wrtlprnft> well, at least it's now clear that it IS intentional
18:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:42 <wrtlprnft> that's horribly broken now
18:42 <epsy> that it jumps across ranks?
18:42 <epsy> lol!
18:42 <wrtlprnft> better :-)
18:43 <epsy> heh
18:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, sec
18:43 <epsy> i was talking about the thing that the user might wonder where has #4 and #6 gone
18:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8219 /clio/trunk/clio/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added test for ownership transfer of virtual function return values.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> better? :-O
18:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8220 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/macros.hpp): Manuel Moos: Removed nonsense properties of virtual functions.
18:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8221 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/objectwrapper.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed illegal memory access by clearing the wrapper map correctly.
18:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8222 /clio/trunk/clio/ (. clio/objectwrapper.cpp): Manuel Moos: Even better unregistering.
18:49 <epsy> haha wrtl
18:52 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  ok
18:53 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: err, ok to what?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> last thing i remember is asking you a question
18:53 <Ttech> in watchers.py
18:53 <Ttech> there is this
18:53 <Ttech>         fp = open(os.path.expanduser("~/.fcmpop"), "r")
18:53 <Ttech> What is that file?
18:53 <Ttech> and whats it do
18:57 <wrtlprnft> that's Lucifer_bed's code…
18:57 <wrtlprnft> I doubt it's even used anywhere
18:58 <wrtlprnft> also, it says fp = open(os.path.expanduser("~/.armapasswd"), "r") for me
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19:01 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  I changed it
19:01 <Ttech> I can't risk my bot getting messed up
19:01 <Ttech> I need ot know whats that for
19:02 <Ttech> please
19:02 <Ttech> #uptime
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19:02 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  what would it be used for anyway
19:04 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: well, probably to fetch commit messages from a pop3 server
19:05 <wrtlprnft> svn can be set up to send mails for every commit
19:05 <Ttech> err
19:05 <Ttech> So yoru svn bot does not even do svn
19:05 <Ttech> 0.o
19:05 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:05 <Ttech> it uses emails
19:05 <Ttech> :/
19:05 <wrtlprnft> no
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19:05 <wrtlprnft> it uses cia.vc
19:06 -!- emphasis| is now known as emphasis
19:06 <wrtlprnft> which is a place that collects commit messages from a lot of open source projects
19:07 <wrtlprnft> and dumps that information into the #commits channel on this network, among other thingsa
19:07 <wrtlprnft> it's just one of armabot's duties to filter the stuff in #commits and relay stuff that may be important to us into this channel
19:07 <wrtlprnft> note that i don't have anything to do with http://cia.vc/
19:09 -!- emphasis is now known as empha
19:11 <Ttech>  cia.vc?
19:11 <Ttech> oh
19:11 <Ttech> err
19:11 <Ttech> so it does not work on other networks
19:12 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8223 /clio/trunk/clio/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Adapted basic test; there was needless object breaking.
19:13  * Ttech messes around with it
19:13 <Ttech> Thanks for grabbing it
19:14 <Ttech> I will try to figure out how to make it operate on another network
19:24 <flex> cookies with milk is fucking awesome!
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19:26 <Ttech> um
19:26 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: that's what i told you.
19:27 <wrtlprnft> it's hardcoded to #commits
19:27 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  it will only work on this network? :P
19:27 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: if your project uses CIA you could just use the RSS plugin
19:28 <Ttech> rss plugin
19:28 <Ttech> ?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> it can regularily check on any RSS feed and post new headlines into a channel
19:28 <Ttech> link
19:28 <wrtlprnft> err, it comes with supybot
19:28 <Ttech> oooh
19:28 <Ttech> that
19:28 <Ttech> But where would the RSS plugin be
19:29 <Ttech> *rss feed
19:29 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.vc/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
19:29 <wrtlprnft> that's for armagetronad
19:29 <wrtlprnft> but your project needs to send mails to CIA for that
19:29 <wrtlprnft> it's easy to set up with sourceforge and GNA! projects, I think
19:30 <Ttech> goood
19:30 <Ttech> Goood!
19:30 <Ttech> Thank you soo much
19:30 <Ttech> !
19:30 <Ttech> Thanks a bunch
19:30 <Ttech> :)
19:31 <wrtlprnft> yw
19:34 <Ttech> Well it almost works
19:35 <Ttech> #fcm-dev
19:35 <Ttech> lol
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19:47 <Ttech> ~listhandlers
19:47 <Ttech> #listhandlers
19:47 <armabot> Ttech: commitnotify, armabotupdater, wormuxnotify, wikiupdater, test, aabetaupdate, aauptest
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19:59 <wrtlprnft> #describe commitnotify
19:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify: Matches on 'armagetronad', Performs action of type: 'echo', On channel: #armagetron, Details: $message
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20:00 <Hay-Lin> hi
20:01 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:03 <Dez2> Hello
20:04 <Ttech> what are the other s you have wr
20:05 <Ttech> what are the other s you have wrtlprnft
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: some aren't really used anymore.
20:06 <wrtlprnft> one's for updating beta.armagetronad.net
20:06 <Ttech> hmm
20:06 <wrtlprnft> its contents are on SVN, too
20:06 <Ttech> orly?
20:06 <Ttech> #describe armabotupdater
20:06 <armabot> Ttech: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
20:06 <Ttech> cmd
20:06 <Ttech> #cmd
20:07 <Ttech> #help cmd
20:07 <armabot> Ttech: Error: There is no command "cmd".
20:07 <wrtlprnft> basically it calls a script that SSHs to another host, where another script is run that runs svn up
20:07 <Ttech> interesting
20:07 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: no use. it's just a command that's parsed to system()
20:07 <Ttech> hmm
20:07 <wrtlprnft> s/parsed/passed
20:08 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/events/aa570304.aspx
20:08 <wrtlprnft> please tell me this is just a fake you guys put up.
20:08 <Ttech> We don't work at Mircosoft
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i guessed that much :-D
20:08 <Ttech> We are ubuntu poeple
20:09 <wrtlprnft> i dunno. maybe you hijacked their servers or something
20:09 <Ttech> lol
20:09 <wrtlprnft> all sounds more plausible than MS doing that kind of crap
20:09 <wrtlprnft> or maybe it doesn't
20:09 <wrtlprnft> heh, the more i think about it the more logical it appears to be
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20:11 <Goodygumdrops> madmax and pavelo are you guys still playing today?
20:11 <pavelo> Goodygumdrops: yep
20:11 <Goodygumdrops> sweet
20:11 <MrBougo> :o
20:12 <madmax> yes
20:12 <Goodygumdrops> we have a bye first round, so we start at 2015 gmt in zman's
20:12 <pavelo> i saw that we have 11 players on the list, isn't that a bit overkill ?
20:12 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, it sure as
20:12 <Goodygumdrops> lack and durka have said already they are not playing
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> and I am not sure about dookatee or hoop
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> so I'm hoping we will have 7 or 8 show up
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> well actually
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> lack would like to play
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> but he said he would bow out
20:13 <Goodygumdrops> if there were too many
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20:18 <epsy> z-man, auth wont work on your server "Server adress mismatch 134.95.67.143:4549 (sent by client) != *.*.*.*:*"
20:19 <Ttech> yay
20:19 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  CIA is on DevNode
20:19 <Ttech> wweee
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20:30 <Program> hey
20:30 <Program> i cant enter DS server :(  cyclo here
20:31 <Program> any body on DS server here??
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20:32 <z-man> OOPS is missing players, in case anyone is listening.
20:32 <Program> ok
20:32 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: well, that makes things simpler
20:33 <wrtlprnft> players as in plural?
20:35 <z-man> Well, they're three.
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20:37 <z-man> Also, if the DS admins are listening: your server is full, several players can't join. So kick, kick, kick!
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21:10 <wrtlprnft> wow, there's a lot of stuff you have to do to convert a sumo server to fortress
21:22 <Dez2> well that was a complete shambles of a match
21:22 <Dez2> not that we deserved to win
21:22 <Dez2> but it really doesn't help when your team captain doesn't bother to show up
21:25 <Lackadaisica1> who was your captain?
21:25 <Dez2> frostbite
21:26 <Dez2> sasori filled in
21:27 <Dez2> but there was a lot of chaos before the first match started and we moved to a different server for the second one
21:27 <Dez2> apparently because no-one had admin on DS's server, but by that stage everyone was organised and there wasn't really any need to move
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21:44 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you forgot the patch to fix it
21:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: recompile ruby, imagemagick and rmagick until it starts to work again.
21:48 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: already tried rmagick which is afaik the only link
21:48 <luke-jr> but sure, I'll try that
21:48 <luke-jr> doubt it will work
21:50 <wrtlprnft> that usually fixes it
21:50 <wrtlprnft> you're the admin, not me
21:52 <luke-jr> oh, I thought I was just 'retired'
21:54 <StickyNoob> z-man, z-man-work: any news as to when the match is finnished?
21:55 <wrtlprnft> you are the guy with uid=0 on that server.
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22:02 <luke-jr> anyhow, ruby is building now
22:02 <luke-jr> the rest will follow
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22:09 <z-man> StickyNoob: it's over
22:09 <StickyNoob> z-man: thanks
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23:28 <flex> hey lack
23:28 <flex> here?
23:28 <flex> Lackadaisica1
23:29 <StickyNoob> gratz tkr
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23:30 <madmax> gg's
23:31 <StickyNoob> eah
23:31 <StickyNoob> yeah
23:31 <libervisco> luke-jr, hi, just reminding you of that match tonight :)
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23:32 <Lackadaisica1> im here
23:32 <Lackadaisica1> flex?
23:33 <flex> supprised you played for oops, about time someone felt like helping another team
23:33 <flex> very honourable in my eyes
23:34 <Lackadaisica1> yeah i just wasnt sure if you were ok with that, thats why i panicked when everybody said 'lack?!' when i joined
23:34 <flex> they were worried lol
23:34 <flex> as we were quite in a mess
23:37 <StickyNoob> heh
23:37 <flex> overal tbh, everyone v x is stupid now..
23:37 <StickyNoob> ooOOOooo
23:38 <flex> not true?
23:38 <StickyNoob> dont start your bitching as soon as we loose again flex, its just a loss move on
23:38 <flex> na it's just..
23:38 <pavelo> including you ?
23:38 <flex> what?
23:39 <StickyNoob> no real shame in it, they had many of the best players there are
23:39 <flex> we're not invisible..
23:39 <z-man> invincible, you mean :)
23:39 <flex> oops yeah
23:39 <epsy> btw, TST sign-ups are open :)
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23:46 <spidey__> luke-jr, ping!
23:54 <libervisco> #lastseen drågøn
23:54 <armabot> libervisco: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
23:54 <libervisco> bla bla bla
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23:58 <liberweesco> luke-jr, come to Freedomware Gamefest US server

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00:18 <epsy> z-man, actually, in the lastet trunk, for display lists you have the choice between off, create and call, and create and exectue?
00:19 <z-man> Yep. Create and call should be a bit faster.
00:19 <epsy> 'on' is gone?
00:19 <z-man> the difference is not much, because on average, every display list is used +10 times, so the creation time does not matter.
00:19 <z-man> yep, plain "on" is gone.
00:19 <epsy> alright
00:19 <z-man> create and execute does what 'on' did.
00:20 <epsy> thx
00:20 <z-man> For the models. 'on' only used display list for the cycle models.
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00:57 <StickyNoob> z-man: I know you are sick of this question but is the fps drop server or client side problem?
00:57 <z-man> Technically, it's client side.
00:58 <flex> lair!
00:58 <z-man> The effect I see in the recording is that the grid datastructure gets messed up
00:58 <flex> what does that mean..
00:58 <z-man> It's not getting cleaned properly.
00:58 <z-man> The reason for that are references from somewhere, I can't say from where.
00:58 <StickyNoob> as in memory leaking?
00:59 <z-man> Something like that.
00:59 <StickyNoob> hmm is it leaking gfx memory?
00:59 <z-man> Only that it's not exactly a memory leak, stuff gets cleaned after the round is over.
00:59 <z-man> but it's a game structure leak of sorts.
00:59 <z-man> Something is keeping hold of triangles, keeping them from getting cleaned up.
01:00 <z-man> And that is triggered by something the server does differently now.
01:00 <flex> question: if i go buy a super fast pc, i wont drop to 10fps anymore? :P
01:00 <z-man> Mine dropped to 30 fps.
01:00 <flex> started with 100fps, dropped to 10fps as the round was going on
01:00 <StickyNoob> flex: i wouldnt waste the money just to play tron
01:00 <z-man> Yeah.
01:01 <flex> what shall i waste the money on then :p
01:01 <flex> well the money i save lol
01:01 <StickyNoob> food, rent
01:01 <Hoax-> LOL
01:01 <flex> don't pay for either of those :p
01:01 <StickyNoob> heh
01:02 <StickyNoob> i take it that arma will not take kindly to being run in valgrind
01:02 <flex> z-man, what i want to know is, you say technically.. that's urm what it depends on the server to allow you to use your fps?
01:02 <z-man> StickyNoob: arma runs very well in valgrind :)
01:03 <StickyNoob> how fast?
01:03 <z-man> Almost playable.
01:03 <StickyNoob> very surprising
01:03 <StickyNoob> ive seen atleast 10x slowdowns
01:03 <z-man> Yep, but only CPU, not GPU :)
01:04 <z-man> flex: no, what I'm saying is that my current theory is that the server triggers a client performance bug.
01:04 <z-man> Like the one on CTF.
01:04 <z-man> Quite probably the very same bug CTF triggers.
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01:47 <Durka3> #kill Angel_H
01:47 <armabot> Angel_H will die on Mon Mar  3 02:19:59 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Durka3
01:48 <Angel_H> lol :P
01:48 <Angel_H> your so evil :P
01:48 <+P4> #insult Durka3
01:48 <armabot> Durka3 - You are nothing but a bawdy pile of foul bladders.
01:48 <Durka3> P4 !!!! :}
01:48 <Angel_H> :P
01:48 <+P4> 28101, hey Durak :P
01:48 <Durka3> Pee-hee-hee (Rotflmao!)
01:48 <+P4> this is depreciated :P
01:48 <Durka3> angel can u see my /msg ?
01:49 <+P4> you'r eboth unidentified so i gues he can
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01:49 <Angel_H> no ?  or maybe yes, im confused
01:49 <Durka3> nvr mind
01:49 <Durka3> just /join dorkaland
01:50 <+P4> /join #dorkaland
01:53 <Durka3> lolz
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04:00 <StickyNoob> durka dos'ing freenode?
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04:06 <flex> lol
04:09 <luke-jr> http://images.istheshit.net/srwfthpe.jpg
04:13 <libervisco> lol @ luke-jr's email :D
04:14 <libervisco> oops indeed, but anyway.. luke-jr we could schedule it for sometime next three days?
04:14 <luke-jr> oh!
04:14 <luke-jr> that's the item I forgot to put on my calendar when I fixed it
04:14 <luke-jr> >_<
04:14 <luke-jr> I knew I was forgetting something
04:15 <libervisco> hehe
04:15 <luke-jr> Tue would be bad
04:15 <luke-jr> Mon and Wed should be fine
04:15 <luke-jr> not during work hrs
04:16 <libervisco> 6 PM fine?
04:16 <Ttech> lol
04:17 <luke-jr> libervisco: later would be safer
04:17 <libervisco> hm 8PM?
04:17 <Ttech> http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=1288#diagram
04:17 <libervisco> or 7 PM (That's mine 1 AM next day)
04:17 <luke-jr> 8 PM would work
04:17 <luke-jr> I think
04:17 <luke-jr> which day?
04:18 <libervisco> Tomorrow?
04:18 <libervisco> gotta check with Jose as well, he's in another channel
04:18 <luke-jr> on my calendar
04:18 <luke-jr> lemme know if it changes
04:19 <luke-jr> uh, libervisco?
04:19 <luke-jr> you know my timezone, right? XD
04:19 <libervisco> GMT-5?
04:19 <luke-jr> uh
04:19 <luke-jr> not sure XD
04:19 <libervisco> lol
04:19 <libervisco> What state?
04:19 <libervisco> It's all on wikipedia :)
04:19 <luke-jr> -6 right now
04:19 <luke-jr> -5 next week
04:19 <luke-jr> Nebraska
04:20 <libervisco> oh.. ok
04:20 <libervisco> so.. right that's then 1AM my time :)
04:20 <luke-jr> wait
04:20 <luke-jr> I don't know
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08:51 <Stewie-arma> #weather 92037
08:51 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 48.9°F (11:50 PM PST on March 02, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
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11:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8224 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nServerInfo.cpp nSocket.cpp nSocket.h): Not contacting master servers when the hostnames don't resolve.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8225 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Broke the unfortunate chain of events that leads to severe FPS drops on old clients on several links:
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  - server no longer sends redundant cycle death sync messages.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  - client ignores redundant cycle death messages; they caused calls to eGameObject::Move on objects already removed from the activity list.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  - game objects removed from the active lists no longer have currentFace set
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  - game objects removed from the list, when they move, just update their position and don't get a new currentFace.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad: The root of the problem are inactive game objects that still have a currentFace set. That causes that face and all its replacement in the
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13:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8227 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ui/uMenu.cpp: Repaired dedicated server.
13:51 <epsy> w00t
13:53 <flex> I officially hate people with old 3GB IDE hard drives..
13:54 <flex> that also include anywhere between 1GB to 10GB ones
13:58 <epsy> what about 64 MB ones?
13:58 <epsy> #tea
13:58 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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14:13 <flex> anyone with a hard drive bellow 10GB should get shot!
14:13 <z-man-work> Why?
14:13 <flex> why not
14:14 <flex> like really, what's the point in those old hard drives now days..
14:14 <z-man-work> Well, but why do YOU care?
14:17 <flex> i don't really care.. just got annoyed for afew seconds when trying to find the master hd on my dads comp..
14:18 <flex> guess i felt i'll rant about old hd's here :p
14:18 <epsy> hahaha
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15:16 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, it all recompiled
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: guess what, it works now.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> just need to regenerate the missing previews
17:17 <wrtlprnft> in progress…
17:18 <wrtlprnft> although I'm now getting permission denied errors
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8228 /clio/trunk/clio/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Thread safety hooks for RCObject.
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8229 /clio/trunk/clio/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added ownership docs.
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19:32 <phlex> hey z-man-work
19:32 <phlex> here?
19:32 -!- phlex is now known as flex
19:43 <wrtlprnft> probably on his way home
19:45 <epsy> probably
19:45 <epsy> the null-risk doesn'T exist
19:45  * epsy cba to write his webapp :)
19:45 <flex> wrtlprnft, remember the ping issue i was talking about with you awhile back?
19:45 <flex> also the one rico mentioned too (same thing)
19:46 <flex> I showed epsy, would you like to see?
19:46 <wrtlprnft> bbl, supper
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19:58 <flex> hey zmanuel
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19:59 <flex> got afew minutes for me to show you something?
19:59 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
19:59 <z-man> Perhaps :)
19:59 <z-man> We can start, what is it?
20:00 <flex> ok urm basically using the old v3 and then using the newest v3 i see a ping difference
20:00 <flex> it's like around a 10-20ms difference
20:01 <flex> what we can do is, join a server with my old client then once we see the average ping, i can go on to the new client, and we'll see the increase
20:02 <flex> i showed it to epsy, he saw the difference. you might think it's a version 3 issue but it also happens with the lastest 2.8 release
20:02 <z-man> It could be a ping measurement issue.
20:02 <flex> i was wondering that too
20:03 <z-man> Nothing really to be gained by demonstrating it, really :)
20:03 <flex> ok well as long as you beleive me
20:03 <z-man> I do.
20:03 <flex> rico was the one also who pointed this out
20:03 <flex> i had the same issue before him without having any contact
20:03 <z-man> So the difference is between 0.2.8.2.1 and 0.3.0?
20:04 <flex> i've made positive checks on just the old v3 client and the new v3 client, but i think it's also same case on the lastest v2 client
20:04 <flex> because i remember moving over to it to have the same issue
20:04 <flex> so i thought it was just me
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20:05  * z-man needs exact versions
20:05 <z-man> Thing is, there is some threading ping optimization in some versions, but it was disabled sometime on the trunk.
20:05 <z-man> And it may not be an optimization at all for some people.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> i think it's 0.2.8.2.1 → 0.2.8.3_alphaX and 0.3.0 → 0.3.1_snapshotX
20:06 <flex> yeah^^
20:06 <flex> i think..
20:06 <wrtlprnft> what he's talking about. i never noticed it myself, I usually ignore the last two digits of my ping and am happy if nothing's left
20:06 <flex> it's windows issue though wrtlprnft
20:06 <z-man> Same for me :)
20:07 <z-man> My ping can't get lower than 70, and a 10 ms difference just doesn't show.
20:07 <flex> here's the thing, i never get bellow 70, maybe 69 at highest in one whole match
20:07 <flex> but with the newest, i reach 91 at highest
20:07 <z-man> wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=9653
20:07 <flex> average of 70-80
20:07 <z-man> my messed up grid datastructure screenshot ;)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
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20:08 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yeah, that looks the same
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i actually reported it on the forums when i made the screenshot
20:08 <flex> wow
20:08 <wrtlprnft> although it never got that extreme for me
20:09 <wrtlprnft> it's nice how you can see the defender's circles, though
20:09 <z-man> It's ladle-special.
20:09 <flex> only in the final it got real fucked
20:09 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, i'd better update my server
20:10 <z-man> In debuglevel=3, the current client code gives warnings if the server sends problematic packets.
20:10 <wrtlprnft> I stopped playing with debuglevel=3 because it does decrease my framerate
20:11 <wrtlprnft> and the extra console messages are a bit annoying
20:12  * wrtlprnft is not the guy who complains about his framerate going from 600 Hz to 580 Hz. But 50 Hz to 30 Hz (way lower on a full server) just isn't worth it for me.
20:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: on that screenshot, did the lines keep jumping?
20:13 <z-man> No, that's the bug.
20:13 <wrtlprnft> I think it's not the same bug after all.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> My screenshoted bug carried over to the next rounds, even across server changes
20:14 <z-man> could be. Bits of fragmentation are normal.
20:14  * z-man is off for dinner.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> guten appetit ;-)
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20:20 <wrtlprnft> hmm, thinking about it, that bug was actually caused (at least triggered) by holers, right? ;-)
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20:25 <flex> wrtlprnft, is it actually possible to do a constant 4.9 double grind with a macro?
20:25 <flex> like i guess, once the round starts, if you set the macro up correctly you can possably do it right? :p
20:26 <wrtlprnft> flex: i think it is, yeah.
20:26 <epsy> that would really being a fag tho
20:26 <wrtlprnft> gotta live with some inaccuracies, bit for the most part there's nothing preventing you from doing so.
20:26 <wrtlprnft> the bots do it sometimes ;-)
20:26 <flex> not really concerned as i can do a steady 4.5+
20:26 <flex> but i was just thinking
20:27 <epsy> flex committed suicide.
20:27 <epsy> þ
20:27 <wrtlprnft> arma is still way less cheatable than, say, scorched3d
20:27 <flex> dude epsy i grinded a 4.7 and you tked me
20:27 <flex> next round i did a 4.8 and i was like "pheew"
20:27 <wrtlprnft> or bzflag, for that matter
20:28  * epsy 's noobish BZflag experience sucked
20:28 <flex> urm.. why is double binding blocked on client side?
20:28 <flex> that's abit stupid isn't it?
20:28 <wrtlprnft> i think bzflag servers don't even do the physics calculations so you can hack your clients to teleport you and stuff
20:28 <wrtlprnft> flex: because you can'd do it on the server.
20:28 <epsy> except if you send keypresses
20:28 <wrtlprnft> well, you can, but you
20:28 <wrtlprnft> 'd have to trust the client to send the right keypresses
20:28 <epsy> that would be laggy, trough
20:28 <epsy> indeed
20:29 <flex> guess so
20:29 <epsy> that would be a lil' harder to cheat
20:29 <epsy> still not worth it i would say
20:29 <flex> i agree
20:30 <wrtlprnft> again, just connect two keyboards to your PC and cheat all you want.
20:30 <flex> that's weird double binding..
20:31 <flex> and that's not the only way wrtlprnft..
20:31 <flex> you can also use a macro program
20:31 <wrtlprnft> it's just the simplest way
20:31 <wrtlprnft> if you really have to cheat, cheat. Nobody cares how much of a loser you are
20:33 <flex> haha
20:33  * epsy cheats atm :(
20:33 <flex> actually, i don't like cheaters..
20:33 <flex> so i'd cafe about not dying to someone cheating..
20:33 <flex> care^
20:34 <flex> imagine if speedhack was possible.. that would totally ruin the game
20:34 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i don't count those small things like hacking oneself 64 instant chats
20:34 <epsy> actually, if i did such a hack as the zone display one in quake
20:34 <epsy> that would be considered as cheating
20:34 <wrtlprnft> well
20:35 <wrtlprnft> if you made all the walls transparent in quake
20:35 <epsy> exactly
20:35 <wrtlprnft> arma isn't about hide and seek
20:35 <flex> yeah
20:35 <flex> here's a good mod for you to work on :p make arma with quake sounds :D
20:35 <epsy> well, if you change the players colors to something flashy bringht
20:36 <flex> so when you get a double kill you hear quake or unreal taunts
20:36 <flex> know what i mean?
20:36  * wrtlprnft thinks you can hack the visuals all you like with arma without cheating
20:36 <epsy> double or triples have no sense in arma
20:36 <flex> double kill?
20:36 <epsy> well, except if none actually made a frag between two of yours :)
20:36 <flex> triple kill?
20:36 <flex> yes they do..
20:37 <flex> unstoppable when you kill like 5
20:37 <epsy> in DM games you are supposed to die after some frags
20:37 <epsy> not in arma
20:38 <flex> not everyone would be hearing the taunts
20:38 <flex> just you
20:38 <epsy> i know what you mean jeez
20:38 <flex> and in arma when you get 2/3 kills in a row it's actually a good job..
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20:39 <epsy> you mean in a row
20:39 <epsy> like
20:39 <epsy> a killed b
20:39 <epsy> a killed cc
20:39 <epsy> a killed d
20:39 <epsy> and not
20:39 <epsy> a killed b
20:39 <epsy> g killed d
20:39 <flex> no
20:39 <epsy> a killed d
20:39 <flex> yeah i mean
20:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, that's easy
20:40 <epsy> in arma the 1st thing i described would make sense
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate b
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate c
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate d
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate e
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate f
20:40 <flex> not in different occasions
20:40 <epsy> ^^^^
20:40 <wrtlprnft> a killed teammate g
20:40 <wrtlprnft> no problem.
20:40  * wrtlprnft has seen that
20:40 <flex> then you would hear
20:40 <flex> "looser"
20:40 <flex> or "team kill"
20:40 <flex> lol
20:40 <wrtlprnft> loooooooooooooser? ;-)
20:41 <flex> well in rubber if you kill 5+ that's easly good
20:41 <flex> so even if it's not in a row
20:41 <flex> just up the taunts if you feel 2kills isn't enough
20:41 <flex> anyway in fortress it wouldn't be that good
20:41 <flex> but in rubber it would be nice :p
20:42 <epsy> last man standing not rubber
20:42 <epsy> :þ
20:42 <flex> guess so
20:43 <epsy> fuck i need the french equivalent for 'whatever'
20:43 <epsy> bah
20:43 <epsy> i know my own language so bad :(
20:44 <wrtlprnft> epsy: heh, i know that feeling
20:44 <wrtlprnft> when i know an english word and its meaning but have absolutely no idea how to express that in german
20:44 <epsy> :|
20:45 <MrBougo> it happens to me too :(
20:45 <epsy> :(
20:45 <MrBougo> and my knowledge of english is still poor
20:45 <MrBougo> i hate that
20:45 <MrBougo> epsy: i'm pretty sure there's a translation
20:45 <MrBougo> but it must sound lame and old
20:45 <MrBougo> ventre saint gris!
20:45 <MrBougo> just like that
20:46 <MrBougo> :p
20:46 <epsy> 'peu importe'
20:46 <epsy> mais ça colle pas
20:46 <MrBougo> arf nah, pas assez de dédain
20:46 <epsy> ué ^^
20:46 <MrBougo> enfin ça dépend
20:46 <MrBougo> c'est pour "whatever!" ou bien pour le mot
20:46 <MrBougo> ça a plusieurs sens :p
20:47 <MrBougo> ça peut être "peu importe" ou "cause toujours"
20:47 <epsy> au sens 'va te faire foutre' oui
20:47 <MrBougo> cause toujours
20:47 <MrBougo> mais c'est moche
20:47 <MrBougo> :p
20:47 <epsy> oé :(
20:52 <epsy> ben jvais bouffer
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20:57 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: ping
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21:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: PONG ... PONg ... POng ... Pong ... pong
21:09 <Lucifer> heh, er, nvm?  ;)
21:09 <Lucifer> forgot you added the rectangle widget, I was trying to use a label
21:09 <wrtlprnft> err, ok...
21:10 <Lucifer> thanks though
21:10 <Lucifer> this incam cockpit isn't quite as easy as I thought it would be
21:10 <wrtlprnft> you're welcome, i guess
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21:10 <wrtlprnft> i think you can't currently take the current cycle's color
21:10 <Lucifer> the texture I made looks nice, but it covers all the useful playing view
21:10 <epsy> does it scale properly?
21:11 <Lucifer> I was really thinking something like a transform done similar to how the cycle walls are drawn
21:11 <wrtlprnft> frankly i'm still wondering how to add a <CurrentCycleColor> or something like that
21:11 <Lucifer> so I could make two versions of a given texture, one that gets shown regularly, and one that gets transformed like a cycle wall, so I can lay the one on top of the other for cool tronnish effects
21:11 <wrtlprnft> the actual coloring part is trivial
21:11 <Lucifer> yeah, code is already there for that :)
21:11 <wrtlprnft> openGL does it, no need to care about it
21:12 <Lucifer> maybe a transform attribute for images?
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21:12 <Lucifer> so, transform="cycle_color noise" etc, where cycle_color is applied first, then noise is applied
21:12 <Lucifer> then it's stored in ram so you don't do the transform on every frame :)
21:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:13 <Lucifer> or effect, effect might make more sense
21:13 <wrtlprnft> coloring an image with a static color is already possible
21:14 <wrtlprnft> you can even have an image that uses just the red (or green or blue) component of your cycle color
21:14 <wrtlprnft> but not all three together
21:15 <Lucifer> can I put three such images on top of each other where each one uses a different component?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> sure
21:16 <wrtlprnft> but it won't yield the correct color in the end.
21:17 <wrtlprnft> i'll think about something
21:17 <wrtlprnft> what do you mean by noise?
21:17 <Lucifer> like generate noise filter in gimp
21:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:18 <wrtlprnft> sounds shader-ish
21:18 <Lucifer> not that I want something like that, just picked whatever came in mind so I could say "look, you can do multiple effects here"
21:18 <wrtlprnft> as i said, you can alrady overylay an image with a static color or even a gradient
21:18 <Lucifer> man, there isn't as much room in the incam view to put stuff when you get right down to it
21:18 <wrtlprnft> so it would just be logical to add some sort of dynamic color
21:20 <Lucifer> well, I'm after an effect like the line coloring done in the movie, and I was going to make a black and white cockpit view with that effect worked in to give the incam cockpit the feel of the player
21:20 <Lucifer> the black and white is easy :)
21:20 <Lucifer> hey, did you make the analog clock that's in the default cockpit now?
21:20 <Lucifer> it's really nice :)
21:21 <wrtlprnft> just a proof of concept, really
21:22 <wrtlprnft> i took the image from openclipart.org
21:22 <wrtlprnft> it's PD.
21:23 <wrtlprnft> http://openclipart.org/media/files/BenBois/5278
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21:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8230 /tools/map-preview/trunk/share/web/map-preview.rhtml: Fixed an error with newer versions of ruby, according to eddiefantastic. I hope this is correct, I can't test it.
21:36 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: done.
21:36 <wrtlprnft> > _
21:43 <wrtlprnft> epsy: err, what did backinbizz do?
21:45 <epsy> afk
21:48 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
21:48 <wrtlprnft> the logs don't exactly tell a lot
21:48 <wrtlprnft> i just saw him getting teamkilled two times
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22:10 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: yay, I found a bug, I think
22:10 <Lucifer> I put a big rectangle on the whole screen, and when you type in chat or the console, it gets put behind everything
22:10 <Lucifer> I guess I should put that on the tracker
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22:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: meh, actually the order this stuff is rendered in is unspecified by the c++ standard
22:28 <Lucifer> heh
22:28 <wrtlprnft> it could be random each startup as far as the standard is concerned
22:28 <Lucifer> could consider it "fixed" when there's a console widget :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> heh ;-)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe during easter vacation
22:28 <wrtlprnft> too busy right now.
22:28 <Lucifer> I'll try to remember to put it on the tracker later, gotta go right now
22:28 <wrtlprnft> feel free to bugtrack all you want now
22:28 <wrtlprnft> cya
22:29 <wrtlprnft> oh, you know you can get a more radar-like minimap, right?
22:31 <Lucifer> I snagged the one in the standard, I haven't made the keybinds yet
22:31 <Lucifer> you know, haven't made the keybinds in my local client :)
22:32 <wrtlprnft> :-)
22:32 <Lucifer> heh, direct answer to your question is "yes" :)
22:32 <wrtlprnft> just to make sure you knew
22:35 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: just repulled hachi's map-preview with your update. please test
22:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you should be able to sudo -u armagetronad to update it now too
22:38 <wrtlprnft> i already used sudo
22:39 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that you generated some files under your account.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> my commit has nothing to do with the way hachi uses map-preview
22:39 <wrtlprnft> it's only for the web-interface part.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> I think i regenerated all missing previews
22:40 <wrtlprnft> the problems would be directories your account created, they wouldn't be writable by armagetronad
22:45 <luke-jr> …
22:45 <luke-jr> [15:37:58] <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you should be able to sudo -u armagetronad to update it now too
22:45 <luke-jr> meaning I made a change
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i already did sudo -u armagetronad.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> maybe you chowned everything, thanks if that's the case :-)
22:46 <luke-jr> I deleted it and did a checkout with sudo -u armagetronad
22:46 <luke-jr> because SF had moved the repo since it was last updated
22:47 <wrtlprnft> svn switch?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> the problem wasn't the permissions of the script
22:47 <wrtlprnft> it was the permissions of the individual previews
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8231 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (21 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 7995 to 8230:
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8227 | z-man | 2008-03-03 13:51:03 +0100 (Mon, 03 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  Repaired dedicated server.
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8226 | z-man | 2008-03-03 13:48:06 +0100 (Mon, 03 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
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23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8232 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rScreen.cpp):
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Deactivation events no longer minimize the application from fullscreen
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: mode in Linux. The only known source for deactivation events is the
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: screensaver, and ignoring them appears to scare it off :)
23:19 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8233 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gGame.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fix ammendment: avoiding short flicker.
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00:45 <flex> hehe, quite alot of people on arma tonight :p
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01:06 <z-man> Thanks for the ping report, flex. That last commit should have improved things.
01:07 <z-man> We were receving network data and player input, then doing simulation and rendering, then responding.
01:07 <z-man> which adds the simulation and rendering to both the measured and real ping times, and is therefore BLOODY STUPID.
01:08 <flex> ah sweet
01:08 <flex> gz
01:09 <flex> so actually there was no real ping increase? just wrong mesurement?
01:09 <z-man> there also was actual increase.
01:09 <z-man> Between a keypress and sending the keypress to the server, there was simulation and rendering.
01:14 <flex> right
01:17 <z-man> night
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03:55 <+P4> who tf is TadarOlor?!
03:56 <+P4> ( http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration&diff=21260&oldid=21204 )
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04:03 <ct|kyle> wow
04:09 <ct|kyle> P4: a spammer :D
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12:44 <armabot> lpbugs: [198324] Holes are too big if blown into current wall
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15:25 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8234 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added chat interface stub for votes.
15:26 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8235 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Filled vote stub for kick votes.
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8236 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWall.cpp):
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Avoiding redundant wall coordinates during holing. This makes the holer information a bit inaccurate; if someone "enlarges" a reviously existing hole, it will belong entirely to him, and not just the new bits.
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Duplicating last wall coordinate on Update() if there was a hole up to the wall end; this avoids "dragging" the hole along.
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8237 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: finished "/vote kick" vote interface.
15:33 <epsy> it's it /callvote actually ? :/
15:33 <epsy> isn't it*
15:33  * epsy can't type
15:38 <epsy> z-man-work, by the way, how are you going to define the possible votes? a hardcoded list, a configurable list or the commands accessible at a certain access_level?
15:39 <z-man-work>  /vote is shorter :)
15:39 <z-man-work> and I haven't thought that far. It's probably going to the access_level way.
15:39 <epsy> indeed it is, it's just that a litle alias /callvote might get quake players easier on it
15:40 <epsy> remember, we have both /teamshuffle and /shuffle
15:40 <epsy> z-man-work, and when aaauth is disabled?
15:40 <z-man-work> It's independent of armathentication.
15:40 <z-man-work> The access level system is in place anyway.
15:40 <epsy> oh, i didn't know
15:41 <z-man-work> It's just that without armathentication, all admins have access level 0.
15:41 <epsy> heh
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15:47 <epsy> salut
15:48 <MrBougo> oh hai
15:48 <epsy> tu joues encore à arma ? :þ
15:48 <MrBougo> tu sais que digitx s'est aussi mis à nex?
15:48 <MrBougo> nan, pas trop
15:48 <epsy> ça fait un moment
15:48 <MrBougo> ah bon
15:48 <epsy> #digitx
15:48 <armabot> epsy: ja me ja op ja op vnc vnc op vnc op ja vnc me ja op op op op vnc ja vnc me me ja me vnc op vnc me
15:48 <MrBougo> je l'ai appris hier, ça m'a énervé
15:48 <epsy> rofl
15:49 <epsy> pkoi
15:49 <MrBougo> bah c'est digitx quoi :p
15:49 <epsy> haha
15:49 <MrBougo> il a fait des binds spéciaux pour faire du laserjump
15:49 <epsy> lol
15:49 <MrBougo> ça vaut rien les binds pour trickjumper, t'as pas le contrôle
15:50 <MrBougo> et juste parce qu'il peut pas faire des macros il dit que les développeurs sont nuls
15:50 <MrBougo> blah :/
15:50 <epsy> c'est digitx :þ
15:50 <MrBougo> exacty
15:50 <MrBougo> -y
15:50 <epsy> si tu joues plus à arma c'est pas la peine que je te fasse la pub du TST?
15:51 <MrBougo> tst?
15:51 <epsy> team sumo tournament
15:51 <MrBougo> non merci :p
15:51 <epsy> :(
15:51 <MrBougo> j'étais nul à sumo déjà
15:51 <epsy> haha :D
15:52 <MrBougo> omg excellent
15:52 <MrBougo> http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
15:53 <MrBougo> un simulateur de circuits
15:53 <epsy> c'est du flash?
15:53 <MrBougo> pfff j'ai cherché ça pendant des plombes
15:53 <MrBougo> java
15:53 <epsy> ça utilise le son? :þ
15:54 <MrBougo> euh non apparament non
15:54 <epsy> ok
15:54 <MrBougo> excellent y'a même des exemples
15:54 <MrBougo> y'en a un paquet
15:54 <MrBougo> omg
15:56 <MrBougo> et c'est open source
15:56 <MrBougo> dingue
15:56 <epsy> orly
15:57 <MrBougo> http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html
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15:57 <MrBougo> excellent y'a plein d'applets
16:01 <MrBougo> ça vole direct dans mes bookmarks
16:01 <epsy> :)
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16:12 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8238 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: added "/callvote"
16:12 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8239 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added "/vote suspend <player>".
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8240 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added VOTING_SUSPEND_ROUNDS to control suspend vote duration.
16:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: great!
16:18  * wrtlprnft recompiles café
16:18 <z-man-work> Ummm, untested?
16:18 <z-man-work> But don't let that stop you :)
16:18 <wrtlprnft> well, let's test it.
16:28 <z-man-work> say when you're done recompiling and restarting.
16:28 <MrBougo> gee, that paul falstad guy is a hella java guy
16:28 <MrBougo> nice
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16:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work:     // read command part (kick, remove, include)
16:34 <wrtlprnft> /vote include? sounds nice, if it were implemented :-D
16:34 <z-man-work> Well, that would be next :)
16:35 <epsy>  /voyte include fort.cfg :)
16:35 <MrBougo> voyte :D
16:35 <MrBougo> epsy: learn teh irc trickxz
16:35 <wrtlprnft> finally, the server that can change from ddl to fortress café in seconds, without any external script!
16:35 <MrBougo> /vote
16:35 <MrBougo> without a space
16:35 <MrBougo> just double-slash the command
16:35 <MrBougo> //vote
16:35 <MrBougo> will output //vote
16:36 <MrBougo> err /vote
16:36 <wrtlprnft> / / vote in IRSSI
16:36 <MrBougo> now i'm losing myself
16:36 <wrtlprnft> err
16:36 <wrtlprnft> / /vote in IRSSI
16:36 <MrBougo> with a space, wrtlprnft ? :o
16:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:36 <MrBougo> wtf why? :p
16:36 <wrtlprnft> a good thing, too!
16:36 <MrBougo> because it escapes and it shouldnt and blah and blah
16:36 <MrBougo> oh right
16:36 <MrBougo> so you don't //ns identify stupidpassword
16:36 <epsy> MrBougo, i cba, space key is easy to use
16:36 <wrtlprnft> imagine the accidential //msg nickserv identify d5#H$s!
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16:37 <MrBougo> but what about .ns identify otherstupidpassword
16:37 <MrBougo> and what if you forget the slash
16:37 <MrBougo> epsy: cba?
16:37 <wrtlprnft> .? french keyboards are weird
16:37 <MrBougo> : is next to ;
16:37 <epsy> MrBougo, for / i need to press two keys
16:37 <epsy> MrBougo, as well as for 
16:37 <MrBougo> and shifted : is / while shifted ; is .
16:37 <epsy> orly
16:38 <MrBougo> epsy: to do the " /" sequance, you press
16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8241 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Added VOTING_HARM_TIME to complement VOTING_KICK_TIME (applies to all harmful votes, currently kicks and suspensions).
16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Added VOTING_KICK_MINHARM to transform the first kick votes against a poor newbie into suspensions automatically.
16:38 <MrBougo> space, shift, slash
16:38 <MrBougo> to do the "//" sequence you press
16:38 <MrBougo> shift slash slah
16:38 <wrtlprnft> ; and : are next to each other on my keyboard, too
16:38 <MrBougo> well, same thing :D
16:38 <wrtlprnft> but you need shift for both
16:38 <MrBougo> hah
16:38 <wrtlprnft> and <notshift> / is 7
16:38 <MrBougo> here there's a / on the keypad
16:39 <MrBougo> the damned backslash needs an alt combination
16:39 <wrtlprnft> on american keyboards <notshift> / is / on an american keyboard
16:39 <MrBougo> and the damn _ is shifted -
16:39 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: heh, i hate that.
16:39 <wrtlprnft> on a german keyboard i mean
16:39 <MrBougo> i guess french programmers have a hard life
16:39 <epsy> wrtlprnft, the worst are the num keys
16:39 <MrBougo> [] and {} are alt too
16:39 <wrtlprnft> that's why i hate windows path names because they're totally awkward to type
16:39 <MrBougo> screw the curly brackets
16:39 <epsy> yeah
16:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: you need shift for those, right?
16:39 <MrBougo> aye
16:39 <epsy> wrtlprnft, not anymore :)
16:40 <MrBougo> hehehehe
16:40 <wrtlprnft> switched them?
16:40 <epsy> yeah
16:40 <MrBougo> he REWROTE a keyboarrrrd
16:40 <wrtlprnft> xmodmap ftw!
16:40 <epsy> indeed
16:40 <MrBougo> did you put stickers on it?
16:40 <MrBougo> belgian keyboards rock actually
16:40 <MrBougo> you can do ³
16:40 <MrBougo> ³³³³
16:40 <MrBougo> ³³³³³³³³³
16:40 <wrtlprnft> …πΩN∞×÷∛√ ftw
16:40 <MrBougo> ...
16:40 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: on a german keyboard, too
16:40 <MrBougo> you win
16:40 <wrtlprnft> ¹²³
16:40 <MrBougo> i dont have the 1 :(
16:41 <MrBougo> i can fake it
16:41 <MrBougo> '²³
16:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, thing only thing i coundn't do with xmodmap
16:41 <MrBougo> is coffee
16:41 <wrtlprnft> argh, don't do that
16:41 <MrBougo> hehe
16:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, was to get alt gr+arrow giving arrow
16:41 <epsy> *s
16:41 <MrBougo> anyway ¹ is useless
16:41 <MrBougo> goddammit
16:41 <epsy> ¹²³
16:41 <MrBougo> i just did it with xchat
16:41 <MrBougo> ^1
16:41 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i can't get a nbsp with xmodmap :-(
16:41 <MrBougo> roflmao
16:41 <MrBougo> °
16:41 <MrBougo> °°
16:41 <wrtlprnft> ° is standard on my keyboard
16:41 <wrtlprnft> just needs shift
16:41 <MrBougo> |
16:42 <wrtlprnft> ¦
16:42 <epsy> ¦|
16:42 <epsy> ¦-|
16:42 <wrtlprnft> ÷¦|
16:42 <epsy> cyborg
16:42 <flex> °'°
16:42 <wrtlprnft> err
16:42 <MrBougo> cant do the ¦
16:42 <wrtlprnft> ¦÷|
16:42 <flex> °<>°
16:42 <wrtlprnft> ≠_≠
16:42 <MrBougo> stop!
16:42 <MrBougo> lol
16:42 <flex> #_#
16:42 <MrBougo> mh
16:42 <MrBougo> µ_µ
16:42 <hoax> ¦-)
16:42 <wrtlprnft> ¡pots
16:43 <MrBougo> why that useless o,e
16:43 <MrBougo> one
16:43 <epsy> ]orly[
16:43 <MrBougo> noone needs µ on a keyboard
16:43 <epsy> µrly?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> yes they do!
16:43 <MrBougo> µm
16:43 <epsy> µ_µ
16:43 <MrBougo> yea, physicists
16:43 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: exactly
16:43 <MrBougo> phµsµcists
16:43 <epsy> yeah, none needs them
16:43 <MrBougo> there's a story behind that µ key
16:43 <wrtlprnft> Ω is important, too!
16:43 <epsy> Ωrly?
16:44 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: i dont have that on my keyb :(
16:44 <epsy> placing tongues correctly is important too :þ
16:44 <flex> gay
16:44 <wrtlprnft> 2 ± 2 ≠ 5
16:44 <epsy> phuck you
16:44  * z-man-work needs testers on Bugfarm Elimination
16:44 <flex> no °°
16:45 <flex> aw
16:45 <epsy> for what? being kicked ? :«
16:45 <z-man-work> What else?
16:45 <flex> no °°
16:45 <flex> no µ_µ
16:45 <flex> finally
16:45 <hoax> 
16:45  * epsy can't right now
16:45 <MrBougo> now pi is not there
16:45 <flex> i'd like to be kicked
16:45 <MrBougo> that makes no sense
16:45 <MrBougo> everybody uses pi
16:45 <MrBougo> maths, physics, particle physics, chemistry
16:45 <MrBougo> engineering
16:45 <MrBougo> teachers
16:46 <MrBougo> biochemistry
16:46 <MrBougo> The AZERTY keyboard is also criticized[citation needed] for having many seldom used symbols, such as § and µ, on the normal and shifted state of keys. These symbols could be transferred to the AltGr state, and be replaced with more common characters. Similarly, the period and semicolon are on the same key, but shift has to be pressed to obtain the period, even though periods are far more frequent than semicolons.
16:47 <MrBougo> [citation needed]
16:47 <MrBougo> yea, §
16:47 <MrBougo> who needs §
16:47 <epsy> lawyers
16:47 <MrBougo> and man
16:48 <MrBougo> that µ key
16:48 <MrBougo> IT REPLACED \
16:48 <MrBougo> DAMN
16:48 <MrBougo> pfffff
16:48 <epsy> i know that's hard MrBougo, but please clm down
16:48 <MrBougo> :'(
16:57 <z-man-work> After some more coffee, that is.
16:59 <flex> z-man-work, if you rejoin you avoid the suspend
17:00 <z-man-work> Yes, not much you can do about that.
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17:26 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8243 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Giving players better reasons why they can't join the game.
17:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8244 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Err, actually letting players into the game again :)
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18:33 <armabot> lpbugs: [198430] Text rendering on the cockpit
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19:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8247 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/settings_dedicated.cfg): Manuel Moos: Added new voting settings items.
19:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8248 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS): Manuel Moos: Added new commands here, too.
19:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8249 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added VOTE_KICK_REASON.
19:44 <z-man-work> Hey, wikipedia says my pulled-out-of-my-ass interpretation of what a "Nub" is was correct :)
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21:08 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://pip.one09.net/files/up/buffer
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21:57 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i suggest you bind an insta to votes_cancel ;-)
21:58 <epsy> yeah ;(
21:59 <epsy> how many times did i type it wrong
21:59 <epsy> vs how many times right
21:59 <epsy> :þ
22:00 <epsy> aacutally i have an admin command instant chat set
22:00 <epsy> i never use it
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22:37 <flex> hey wrtlprnft, could you build the latest revision for your experimental build please :)
22:40 <wrtlprnft> flex: tomorrow
22:41 <flex> alright. thanks.
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01:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8250 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Ping improvements. I though I committed this yesterday.
01:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8251 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nAuthentication.cpp: Faster logins in recording mode.
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8252 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Disabled debug mode exception for chatbot settings on the server (for debug replays).
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01:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8253 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Fixed oversized hole bug.
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04:56 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
04:56 <armabot> mkzelda: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
04:57 <ct|kyle> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 66.6?F (10:59 PM EST on March 04, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 62.6?F. Pressure: 17.99 in 609.1 hPa (Falling).  Tornado Watch 98 in effect until midnight EST tonight...
04:58 <mkzelda> 66.6
04:58 <ct|kyle> heh that is what it said better than  23.5 where i am
04:59 <mkzelda> the tornado is what im looking for
04:59 <mkzelda> its a bit wild atm
05:00 <ct|kyle> ah
05:00 <mkzelda> couldnt sleep cause its intense
05:00 <mkzelda> dogs are upset
05:01 <ct|kyle> it is almost a white out here
05:02 <ct|kyle> snow is falling so fast, the weather people miss predicted the amount of snow
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11:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8254 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: new win32 experimental build
11:42 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
11:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8255 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added two access levels below authenticated that you can USER_LEVEL players to; intended to be used to take away rights authenticated players usually get (like, starting votes) for selected users.
11:57 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8256 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/settings_authentication.cfg): Manuel Moos: Updated config file with new access levels.
12:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8257 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Manuel Moos: Shuffled around access levels. Authenticated now is all on the bottom, only barely above "Program". Default access level for remote users stays 15, only that it's now named "Remote User".
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13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8258 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Added access levels and individual biases for kick and suspend votes.
13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Also added texts and config items for include and direct command votes.
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13:57 <flex> hey z-man-work, i just checked again (using 0.3 r8253) and still i see that ping difference
13:58 <flex> same issue
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15:01 <z-man-work> flex: I'll recheck when I'm home.
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15:06 <flex> alright, thanks.
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15:47 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8259 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/settings_authentication.cfg src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Default hiding level adapted to docs: no hiding for anyone.
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16:07 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: “By default, most Admins can use all commands”
16:08 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: isn't that the wrong way around?
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18:34 <philippeqc> hi
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18:36 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc 
18:36 <wrtlprnft> you missed the netsplit/general chaos fest
18:38 <philippeqc> did I?
18:38 <philippeqc> what was it about
18:38 <wrtlprnft> well
18:38 <wrtlprnft> freenode went crazy
18:40 <philippeqc> ok
18:41 <philippeqc> doesn't sound like such a great thing
18:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah…
18:41 <philippeqc> so now we cannot send pm?
18:41 <philippeqc> got my hello?
18:42 <philippeqc> suddenly, I feel all alone on the Internet!
18:43 <Hoax-> you guys hear something?
18:43 <philippeqc> about what?
18:44  * wrtlprnft didn't get a lilo message yet
18:44 <Hoax-> nvm, thought i heard someone talking :D
18:44 <wrtlprnft> s/lilo/christie/ :-(
18:44 <philippeqc> christie?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> well, christie is now sending those global notices
18:44 <epsy> fuck the browsers which doesn'T support inline-bliocks
18:44 <epsy> :|
18:46 <philippeqc> what global notices?
18:46 <philippeqc> Yeah, I'm really that IRC-clueless
18:47 <wrtlprnft> 10:51 [FreeNode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all! We experienced some rather heavy ddos attacks earlier this morning causing quite a lot of disturbance to the network, the problems should be under wraps now (thanks to the OSL and NERO) and we apologise for any inconvenience caused. Hope you have a nice day and thank you for using freenode!
18:47 <wrtlprnft> these
18:47 <wrtlprnft> but that's 8 hours old now
18:48 <philippeqc> never seen a christel message before
18:48 <philippeqc> well, CTCP to you too
18:48 <wrtlprnft> no clue how xchat 2.8.4 Ubuntu shows global notices
18:50 <philippeqc> he, I have lost my password for my reserved name on IRC for nearly 2 years now!
18:50 <philippeqc> Still havent had a single occurence where somebody tried to use the nick
18:50 <philippeqc> I guess philippeqc is just too cool a nick, and people dont dare to use it. ;)
18:50 <wrtlprnft> well, noone can know if you're really philippeqc
18:51 <philippeqc> but who would care to fake being me?
18:51 <wrtlprnft> you suck too much, that's true
18:51 <wrtlprnft> just kidding
18:52 <philippeqc> yeah I know
18:52 <philippeqc> ;)
18:52 <philippeqc> me is happy being me
18:52 <philippeqc> I'm unique on all the Internets
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19:10 <philippeqc> Frack
19:10 <philippeqc> I'm at a "circle and elipse cannot be parent/child" problem
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19:11 <philippeqc36> hey i need help
19:11 <philippeqc> Hello!
19:11 <philippeqc36> someone stole my nickname :(
19:11 <philippeqc> My first clone!
19:11 <philippeqc> I'm famous!
19:12 <philippeqc36> a clone?
19:12 <philippeqc36> uh wtf
19:12 <philippeqc36> hey you use my nick
19:12 <philippeqc36> give it back to me you fucker!
19:12 <philippeqc> Where did you get it from?
19:12 <philippeqc36> i was born with it
19:12 <philippeqc> Lol
19:13 <philippeqc> Well, mom surely did pick the 36 part with care and attention
19:13 <philippeqc36> nah
19:13 <philippeqc36> i had to change my name bequz it saiz nickname not avaliable :(
19:14 <philippeqc> Sorry mate, I wont use it for long.
19:14  * philippeqc36 will kill you
19:14 <philippeqc36> nah, the joke's over :þ
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19:14 <philippeqc> ;)
19:15 <Hoax-> #kill epsy
19:15 <armabot> epsy will die on Wed Mar  5 19:47:33 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Hoax-
19:15 <epsy> :(
19:15 <epsy> ø_Ø
19:15 <philippeqc> oups, you expired now epsy
19:15 <philippeqc> that or my clock is off a bit
19:15 <epsy> =(
19:16 <Hoax-> :)
19:16 <philippeqc> #trout Hoax-
19:16 <epsy> isn't it 'slap'?
19:16 <philippeqc> boo, none of the classic work
19:16 <philippeqc> #slap Hoax-
19:16 <epsy> #slap Hoax-
19:16 <armabot> philippeqc slaps Hoax- for being a raving moron.
19:17 <armabot> epsy slaps Hoax- for being a raving moron.
19:17 <epsy> :|
19:17 <philippeqc> well, armabot sure is right about the raving moron part!
19:17 <philippeqc> #slap Hoax- with a trout
19:17 <armabot> philippeqc slaps Hoax- with a trout for being a raving moron.
19:17 <epsy> hehe
19:17 <philippeqc> bouja! Made it work
19:17 <epsy> #help slap
19:17 <armabot> epsy: (slap <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo $who slaps $1 for being a raving moron.".
19:18 <epsy> O_o
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19:41 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8260 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWinZone.cpp src/tron/gWinZone.h): Manuel Moos: If the team owning a zone is dead at round end, the zone does not collapse harmlessly; instead, it gets "touchy" and will collapse at the slightest contact with an enemy.
19:45 <wrtlprnft> neat!
19:45 <wrtlprnft> now that's a reason to change café scoring
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21:00 <flex> hey z-man, any luck? :)
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21:34 <philippeqc> cya
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22:12 <hoop_tron> ^^
22:16 <wrtlprnft> hi, sec
22:17 <wrtlprnft> ok, now I'm there
22:25 <wrtlprnft> z-man: I don't know why, but I set VOTING_KICK_MINHARM to 2 on café, but menu kick votes still lead to kick votes
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22:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8261 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Implemented "include" and "command" votes.
23:00 <StickyNoob> dam arma takes a long time to build
23:00 <pippijn> it does?
23:01 <pippijn> rona takes much longer
23:01 <StickyNoob> make -j 10 does ok
23:01 <pippijn> do you have 8 cores?
23:02 <StickyNoob> no i just like to make sure that all 4 cores are realy getting screwed
23:02 <pippijn> ok
23:02 <pippijn> that's not the way :-)
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23:02 <pippijn> what you are doing is indeed screw your cores but not gain performance
23:03 <pippijn> because of the context switches your kernel scheduler has to do to allow 10 concurrent demanding processes to run seemingly parallel
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23:50 <flex> hellloo kittty islannd adventuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuraaa
23:50 <flex> oops
23:50 <rico> LOL!

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00:27 <spidey_> ok....
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01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8262 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: All votes are now handled over the new server controlled system
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: internally. For old clients (pre 0.2.8), the vote items disguise as
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: kick votes (if they are kick or suspend votes) and are plainly
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: invisible for include and command votes.
01:25 <armabot> armagetronad: The decision to transform a kick into a suspension is now made on vote
01:26 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8263 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Restored behavior that kick votes over the chat interface don't get transformed to removal votes.
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01:35 <z-man> #later tell flex nothing so far, my ping in LAN games fluctuates between 5 and 25, which is somewhat expected (still a little on the high side).
01:35 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
01:36 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft The transformation only happened when the vote was accepted, the new code does it differently. Could you upgrade and test?
01:36 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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08:24 <dirka> #m eddiefantastic Can we talk? umm...#m Durka not this name
08:24 <armabot> dirka: The operation succeeded.
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09:52 <eddiefantastic> #m Durka sure
09:52 <armabot> eddiefantastic: The operation succeeded.
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12:16 <eddiefantastic> #m Durka the files you need are in here: http://crazy-tronners.com/wrtl/
12:16 <armabot> eddiefantastic: The operation succeeded.
12:17 <eddiefantastic> #m Durka http://crazy-tronners.com/wrtl/serverbrowser.php.txt is the main server browser
12:17 <armabot> eddiefantastic: The operation succeeded.
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12:18 <Durka> eddiefantastic: yo
12:18 <eddiefantastic> #m Durka getservers.sh is the script that runs to copy across upto date data. Important because if wrtl's server has problems it wont bring the main page down
12:18 <eddiefantastic> hi Durka
12:18 <armabot> eddiefantastic: The operation succeeded.
12:19 <Durka> btw
12:19 <eddiefantastic> mainpage.php.txt is the scripr to add to the bottom of the main page
12:19 <eddiefantastic> Durka: you get all that?
12:19 <Durka> the one at the bottom of your index page was "20000 seconds old"
12:20 <Durka> getservers.sh is the script that runs to copy across upto date data. Important because if wrtl's server has problems it wont bring the main page down
12:20 <Durka> mainpage.php.txt is the scripr to add to the bottom of the main page
12:20 <Durka> ?
12:20 <eddiefantastic> yes, the server crashed yesterday and getservers.sh was not restarted
12:20 <Durka> heh
12:20 <Durka> that's all i got ^
12:21 <eddiefantastic> the files you need are in here: http://crazy-tronners.com/wrtl/
12:21 <eddiefantastic> http://crazy-tronners.com/wrtl/serverbrowser.php.txt is the main server browser
12:21 <eddiefantastic> getservers.sh is the script that runs to copy across upto date data. Important because if wrtl's server has problems it wont bring the main page down
12:22 <eddiefantastic> mainpage.php.txt is the script to add to the bottom of the main page
12:22 <eddiefantastic> make sense?
12:22 <Durka> http://crazy-tronners.com/wrtl/serverxml.txt
12:22 <Durka> wtf is that?
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12:22 <eddiefantastic> a copy of serverxml.xml
12:23 <Durka> well
12:23 <Durka> that doesn't look like it updates live
12:23 <eddiefantastic> a copy of http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php
12:23 <Durka> ok, but i think i got it
12:23 <Durka> lemme try
12:23 <Durka> gimme a few minutes
12:23 <Durka> i lost my ftp details :P
12:24 <eddiefantastic> you may need some kind of shell access to run getservers.sh
12:25 <eddiefantastic> serverbrowser.php doesn't use that though. It talks directly to wrtl's page
12:25 <eddiefantastic> if wrtl's page goes down, so does that
12:32 <Durka> so technically
12:32 <Durka> assuming wrtl's page never goes down
12:32 <Durka> i only need the serverbrowser.php file?
12:33 <eddiefantastic> http://crazy-tronners.com/serverbrowser.php <--that is just that page
12:34 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/serverbrowser.php
12:34 <eddiefantastic> http://crazy-tronners.com/index.php <--the server browser at the base of this page is mainpage.php.txt
12:34 <Durka> ^^ very nice
12:34 <Durka> yea i know that :P
12:35 <eddiefantastic> looking good :)
12:35 <Durka> :D
12:35 <Durka> someone must've eaten it
12:37 <Durka> seriously though :\
12:38 <eddiefantastic> did you just plop in in there unmodified?
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12:40 <eddiefantastic> Durka print($players);
12:40 <eddiefantastic> oh, hang on, that's the other one
12:41  * Durka hangs on
12:42 <eddiefantastic> //print('</pre>')
12:43 <eddiefantastic>  //print_r(get_server_list(true));
12:43 <eddiefantastic> uncomment that line
12:43 <eddiefantastic> that should show that you're connecting to the site correctly
12:43 <eddiefantastic>             $players .= 'Online Server Browser Disabled.';
12:44 <eddiefantastic> or change that line to: print('no connect'); or something
12:45 <eddiefantastic> currently if it can't connect to wrtl's page it will do nothing
12:45 <Durka> uncomment both?
12:45 <eddiefantastic> which seems to be what it is doing
12:45 <eddiefantastic> sure
12:45 <eddiefantastic> then it should do one or the other
12:45 <eddiefantastic>  //print_r(get_server_list(true));
12:46 <eddiefantastic> just that one should do it
12:46 <eddiefantastic> remove: $players .= 'Online Server Browser Disabled.';
12:46 <eddiefantastic> replace with: print('no connect');
12:47 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/serverbrowser.php
12:49 <eddiefantastic>     $fileUrl = 'http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php';
12:49 <eddiefantastic> 	$AgetHeaders = @get_headers($fileUrl);
12:49 <eddiefantastic> 	if (preg_match("|200|", $AgetHeaders[0])) {
12:49 <eddiefantastic> That is failing
12:49 <eddiefantastic> I have no idea why :S
12:49 <eddiefantastic> maybe you have an older php?
12:50 <eddiefantastic> if (preg_match("|200|", $AgetHeaders[0])) {
12:51 <eddiefantastic> comment that line and put in if(1){
12:52 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/serverbrowser.php
12:52 <Durka> yep
12:53 <Durka> it doesn't like doing that
12:53 <Durka> for me to get stuff from other websites i HAVE to use:
12:53 <Durka> <?php
12:53 <Durka> $ch = curl_init();
12:53 <Durka> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, "http://google.com");
12:53 <Durka> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HEADER, 0);
12:53 <Durka> curl_exec($ch);
12:53 <Durka> curl_close($ch);
12:54 <Durka> ?>
12:54 <Durka> anyways
12:54 <Durka> i really need to sleep
12:54 <Durka> it's 4 am
12:54 <Durka> i'll come find you another time
12:54 <Durka> #m me if you figure anything out :D
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13:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8264 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nAuthentication.cpp: Added login failure reason to playback.
13:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8265 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Fixed spurious rename message bug; it happened when you authenticated and changed your color during the same round.
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15:15 <wrtlprnft> z-man: thanks, i'll test.
15:16 <wrtlprnft> z-man: when i was testing I always cancelled the vote because i didn't want to get autobanned :-P I always connect before the two minutes minimum
15:16 <epsy> the acid3 test is out
15:16 <epsy> totalt phail :þ
15:16 <z-man> Ah :)
15:16 <epsy> i wonder if it's supposed to be css 2.1
15:18 <wrtlprnft> epsy: err, it's been out for ages
15:18 <wrtlprnft> epsy: and it does at least test css3 selectors
15:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: and thanks for removing the name change bug. It was the effect of PLAYER_RANDOM_COLOR (or whatever it's called)
15:20 <z-man> Yeah, that, too.
15:20  * z-man was massively annoyed by it.
15:20 <wrtlprnft> it's still too bad that it loves pink so much because noone else likes it
15:21 <z-man> That's by design :)
15:27 <wrtlprnft> i know
15:28  * wrtlprnft needs some testers on café
15:32 <epsy> ok
15:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8267 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp:
15:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Strings get excess zeroes clamped away before they are written over the net.
15:35 <armabot> armagetronad: This fixes sporadic network message length discrepancies on playback. I hope the
15:35 <armabot> armagetronad: extra zeroes don't do harm elsewhere (string comparison is safe).
15:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8268 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Fixed screen name reservation.
15:36 <wrtlprnft> z-man: works fine
15:37 <z-man> goody.
15:38  * wrtlprnft thinks include votes might be more useful if you could specify files that can be nominated by anyone
15:38 <z-man> Anyone got an idea what we could use "/vote include" for?
15:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, wait a second
15:38 <wrtlprnft> you can already do that :-)
15:38 <wrtlprnft> CASACL :D
15:38 <z-man> Heh ;)
15:39 <wrtlprnft> your stuff is too well-planned
15:39  * z-man had DedCon to get it all wrong the first time round
15:39 <flex> hey z-man, you said something about ping optimization in some versions, but it was disabled sometime on the trunk? is this still the case and maybe the cause of the ping issue for just window users?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> so DedCon actually helped arma?
15:40  * wrtlprnft feared that it would stop the greatest arma developer there is from improving his game
15:40 <z-man> I'd say so. Much of the concepts for access levels and stuff come from there.
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15:40 <z-man> Well, luckily, there is only a very limited set of features DedCon can actually provide, and that' done.
15:41 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:41 <z-man> Things would be worse if the game server actually had control over the game state.
15:43 <wrtlprnft> defcon must be quite easy to cheat
15:43 <wrtlprnft> what happens if two clients disagree on the game state?
15:43 <z-man> There's a sync error.
15:44 <wrtlprnft> who wins?
15:44 <z-man> The clients all send a hash value of the current game state back to the server, and the server compares them.
15:44 <z-man> The majority wins.
15:44 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:44 <wrtlprnft> 1v1?
15:44 <z-man> So yeah, in a duel, one cheater screws both.
15:44 <z-man> But at least the honest player knows whose fault it is :)
15:44 <wrtlprnft> ;)
15:47 <z-man> flex: The ping optimization was a separate thread processing the network data while the renderer was busy swapping screens. It is disabled now everywhere, but it wasn't in 0.2.8.2.1, so it can't be the problem.
15:47 <z-man> Which version did you test now, btw?
15:48 <z-man> I don't think what I did entered wrtl's last test build.
15:48 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that build basically contains everything from your last merge
15:48 <flex> yeah
15:48 <z-man> Yep, and I don't think the fix was merged already.
15:49 <flex> r8253
15:50 <flex> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Windows&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
15:50 <z-man> woo, activity on n00b fort
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19:33 <deja_vu> anyone wanna join me on fortress shootout? :)
19:36 <deja_vu> :(
19:39 <epsy> anyone wanna whineAboutIE6 ?
19:41 <duudii> never used such a piece of shit, epsy..
19:41 <duudii> but sure... i'll join in.
19:41 <flex> what have you used?
19:41 <epsy> 60% of the actual people use IE6
19:41 <epsy> or 50%
19:41 <epsy> or whatever
19:41 <duudii> damn.
19:42 <flex> when IE6 was actually the best thing round you used something else?
19:42 <epsy> um
19:42 <duudii> hmm
19:42 <epsy> that time never existed
19:42 <epsy> pwnt ^^
19:43 <luke-jr> uh
19:43 <luke-jr> yes it did
19:43 <luke-jr> unless you mean that was IE
19:43 <luke-jr> 5
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19:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8269 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/settings.cfg src/tron/gWinZone.cpp): Manuel Moos: added FORTRESS_COLLAPSE_SPEED to control the time between the conquest of a zone and the vanishing (and killing of the team members)
19:48 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: to make it worth running away from your collapsing zone? ;-)
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20:22 <flex> luke-jr
20:22 <flex> you're gay
20:23 <flex> :)
20:23 <flex> :*
20:41 <hoop_tron> wrtlprnft: hay, the login was ok. now i'm gonna play and will test all. thx )
20:43 <wrtlprnft> hoop_tron: ok, have fun
20:44 <wrtlprnft> hoop_tron: just remember, no idiot is worth getting upset about :-)
20:49 <hoop_tron> sure, I won't forget :)
21:26  * madmax uses "macro programz" on nexus9
21:26 <madmax> haha
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21:44 <flex> lol..
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg tst
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: T.S.T.: Transforming Synthetic Technician
22:08 <epsy> :|
22:08 <epsy> #cyborg fff
22:08 <armabot> epsy: F.F.F.: Forbidden Fighting Facsimile
22:08 <flex> #cyborg ffft
22:08 <armabot> flex: F.F.F.T.: Functional Forbidden Fighting Technician
22:08 <pippijn> ...
22:09 <flex> #cyborg ...
22:09 <armabot> flex: Error: No cyborg name returned.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)
22:09 <flex> #cyborg flex
22:09 <epsy> #cyborg FFFFFFFFFF
22:09 <armabot> flex: F.L.E.X.: Functional Lifeform Engineered for Xenocide
22:09 <armabot> epsy: F.F.F.F.F.F.F.F.F.F.: Functional Fusion Facsimile Fabricated for Forbidden Fighting, Fundamental Fun and Firm Fornication
22:09 <epsy> #cyborg PPPPPPPPPP
22:09 <armabot> epsy: P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.: Positronic Patented Person Programmed for Potential Peacekeeping, Productive Patrolling and Practical Processing
22:09 <epsy> :)
22:10 <flex> #cyborg epsy
22:10 <armabot> flex: E.P.S.Y.: Electronic Person Skilled in Yelling
22:10 <flex> aha
22:10 <epsy> :|
22:10 <flex> #cyborg savas
22:10 <armabot> flex: S.A.V.A.S.: Synthetic Artificial Violence and Assassination Soldier
22:10 <flex> sweet
22:11 <deja_vu> #cyborg c
22:11 <armabot> deja_vu: Names must have at least 2 letters. Please enter another name.
22:12 <deja_vu> #cyborg deja_vu
22:12 <armabot> deja_vu: D.E.J.A.V.U.: Digital Electronic Judo and Accurate Violence Unit
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg xyqjz
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: X.Y.Q.J.Z.: Xperimental Ytterbium Quick Judo Zombie
22:28 <flex> #cyborg wrtlprnft
22:28 <armabot> flex: W.R.T.L.P.R.N.F.T.: Wireless Robotic Technician Limited to Potential Repair, Nullification and Forbidden Troubleshooting
22:32 <wrtlprnft> forbidden troubleshooting…
22:36 <wrtlprnft> epsy: /vote silence <someone> should work :-)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> just because it's new and I want it to be tested :-)
22:39 <epsy> unknown
22:39 <epsy> avaliable command are 'kick' 'include', 'command'
22:39 <epsy> :|
22:39 <wrtlprnft> err, nvm
22:39 <wrtlprnft> where did i get that idea from?
22:40 <epsy> lol
22:40 <wrtlprnft> well, /vote command SUSPEND <nick> works, although it's somewhat awkward
22:40 <epsy> heh
22:42 <epsy> wrtlprnft, could you check what's happening to Monkey all the time?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> what's his forums account?
23:10 <epsy> of?
23:10 <wrtlprnft> forums.aa.net, x, ct
23:10 <wrtlprnft> monkey's
23:10 <epsy> ah
23:11 <epsy> i don't know if he knows how to auth yet
23:11 <wrtlprnft> tell him :-)
23:11 <epsy> #ls monkey
23:11 <armabot> epsy: timed out
23:12 <epsy> ok
23:13 <epsy> not yet, tho
23:13  * epsy has this gmt clock to fix
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23:24 <madmax> #lastseen monkey
23:24 <armabot> madmax: |XC|skymonkey seems to be on |FA| BLACK ICE right now.
23:25 <madmax> gah
23:25 <madmax> #tea
23:25 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): Bah, easy|RIDER, hoop, Monkey, Player 1, Terminator
23:27 <flex> #aka
23:27 <flex> #aka monkey
23:27 <armabot> flex: timed out
23:27 <ct|kyle> #aka flex_is_n00b
23:27 <armabot> flex: timed out
23:27 <flex> no u
23:27 <rico> #aka flexlikesmen
23:27 <flex> no u
23:27 <ct|kyle> no
23:27 <flex> no u
23:27 <armabot> ct|kyle: timed out
23:27 <ct|kyle> no luke-jr
23:27 <flex> no u
23:27 <ct|kyle> no luke-jr
23:28 <armabot> rico: timed out
23:28 <rico> gay
23:28 <flex> http://savas.lf.dashjr.org/art/nou.html
23:28 <rico> my subwoofer vibrates the floor and windows.
23:28 <flex> kkthxbai
23:29 <flex> what's the watts rico?
23:29 <rico> no idea
23:29 <ct|kyle> noubia
23:30 <flex> ::::::::::::This just in, epsy is gay. Also catch his next wank live via webcam.
23:31 <rico> Finals - 20:30 Winner
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23:39 <pippijn> torres: << 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
23:39 <torres> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
23:39 <wrtlprnft> how does that work?
23:39 <wrtlprnft> torres: { cout << 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; }
23:39 <torres> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
23:39 <wrtlprnft> wha?
23:39 <rico> who?
23:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/8170f02f41dfb96ab7d62c89532b338c.txt
23:39 <wrtlprnft> i thought it should output 5
23:40 <wrtlprnft> actually not
23:40 <wrtlprnft> output 1 and ignore the rest
23:40 <wrtlprnft> WHAT?
23:40 <pippijn> :P
23:40 <wrtlprnft> you can overload operator ,?
23:40 <pippijn> sure
23:40 <pippijn> very useful
23:41 <wrtlprnft> what's next? overload operator& (i know it's possible, thanks a lot)?
23:41 <pippijn> :P
23:41 <pippijn> it's rarely useful
23:42 <wrtlprnft> { cout << (cout << 4, 2); }
23:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: { cout << (cout << 4, 2); }
23:42 <torres> 4, 20x6cb988
23:42 <wrtlprnft> the meaning of that changes, though.
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23:43 <wrtlprnft> and why does it compile? shouldn't << return a std::ostream &, which is not a pointer?
23:44 <pippijn> probably overloaded operator << (ostream &)
23:44 <wrtlprnft> useful?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> s/\?/.
23:44 <pippijn> *shrug*
23:44 <pippijn> I don't know :-)
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23:46 <wrtlprnft> torres: << cout, &cout
23:46 <torres> 0x6cb868
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23:46 <wrtlprnft> torres: << cout << ", " << &cout
23:46 <torres> 0x6cb948, 0x6cb940
23:46 <pippijn> torres: << cout, &cout
23:46 <torres> 0x6cb948, 0x6cb940
23:46 <pippijn> torres: << cout, cout
23:46 <torres> 0x6cb948, 0x6cb948
23:47 <pippijn> hmm
23:47 <pippijn> torres: << (char *)cout
23:47 <torres> invalid cast from type 'ostream' to type 'char*'
23:47 <wrtlprnft> probably the second is a defrived ptr
23:47 <pippijn> possible
23:47 <pippijn> torres: << ETYPE(del)
23:47 <torres> const rio::io::basic_odelstream<char, char_traits<char> >
23:49 <wrtlprnft> torres: << ETYPE(cout)
23:49 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://pip.one09.net/files/up/buffer
23:49 <torres> lvalue ostream
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23:51 <pippijn> torres: << del (" + ") << 1 << 2 << 3 << 4 << 5
23:51 <wrtlprnft> out of curiosity, what happens if you declare a member function a friend?
23:51 <torres> 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5
23:52 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: it becomes a friend
23:52 <wrtlprnft> it's already a member.
23:52 <pippijn> oh you mean a member function of the class itself?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> friend std::ostream &operator << (std::ostream &os, buffer &buf)
23:52 <pippijn> then nothing happens
23:52 <wrtlprnft> is that a member or an external function?
23:52 <pippijn> that's not a member function
23:53 <pippijn> it's an external function
23:53 <wrtlprnft> defined inside the class
23:53 <wrtlprnft> great.
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23:53 <pippijn> doesn't matter
23:53 <pippijn> you need to declare it inside the class anyways
23:53 <pippijn> definition may be outside
23:54 <wrtlprnft> what happens with struct foo{friend foo(){}};?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> is foo a member or not?
23:54 <pippijn> uhm
23:54 <pippijn> you can't do that
23:54 <pippijn> as far as I know
23:55 <pippijn> constructors can't be declared friend
23:55 <wrtlprnft> argh, sorry
23:55 <wrtlprnft> s/foo/bar
23:55 <wrtlprnft> it wasn't supposed to be a constructor
23:55 <pippijn> well
23:55  * wrtlprnft is sleepy
23:55 <pippijn> then bar needs to have a type
23:55 <pippijn> and then it works
23:55 <pippijn> but bar is not a member
23:55 <wrtlprnft> argh, /me is really sleepy
23:55 <wrtlprnft> and the function is still called foo.
23:56 <wrtlprnft> ah, so anything prefixed with friend is external
23:56 <pippijn> struct foo { friend void bar () { } }; // bar is external, not a member
23:56 <pippijn> yes
23:57  * wrtlprnft wonders if you can have a class and global function of the same name
23:57 <pippijn> no
23:57 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
23:57 <pippijn> because you would get ambiguities
23:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see it ;-)
23:58 <pippijn> struct foo { }; int bar () { foo (); /* calls constructor of foo */ }
23:58 <pippijn> void foo (); struct foo { }; int bar () { foo (); /* calls what? */ }
23:58 <wrtlprnft> both :P
23:58 <wrtlprnft> nah, stupid idea
23:58 <pippijn> sure, and recursively ;)
23:59 <wrtlprnft> torres: namespace ns {struct foo{friend void ::foo() {}};} int main(){}
23:59 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
23:59 <wrtlprnft> ::foo isn't a constructor
23:59 <pippijn> hmm
23:59 <pippijn> interesting
23:59 <pippijn> torres: -c void foo(); namespace ns {struct foo{friend void ::foo() {}};}
23:59 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid

Log from 2008-03-07:
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00:00 <pippijn> torres: -c namespace m { void foo();} namespace ns {struct foo{friend void m::foo() {}};}
00:00 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
00:00 <pippijn> torres: -c namespace m { void foo();} namespace ns {struct foo{friend void ::m::foo() {}};}
00:00 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
00:00 <pippijn> interesting
00:00 <pippijn> :-)
00:00 <pippijn> oh
00:00 <pippijn> well :-D
00:00 <pippijn> torres: -c namespace m { void foo();} namespace ns {struct foo{friend void ::m::foo();};}
00:00 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
00:00 <pippijn> uh oh
00:01 <pippijn> torres: -c void foo () { } namespace ns { struct foo { friend void ::foo (); }; }
00:01 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
00:01 <pippijn> hm
00:01 <pippijn> that sucks
00:01 <wrtlprnft> torres: -c /* whatever -c does */ namespace ns { void foo(); } struct foo { friend void ns::foo() {}};
00:01 <torres> return type specification for constructor invalid
00:02 <pippijn> -c is like gcc's -c
00:02 <pippijn> compile only
00:02 <wrtlprnft> ah
00:02 <pippijn> you are doing it wrong.. but it doesn't matter
00:02 <pippijn> you defined foo inside the class
00:02 <pippijn> but declared it outside
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that's impossible?
00:03 <pippijn> I don't think it is possible
00:03 <wrtlprnft> * is that
00:03 <pippijn> but I'm not positively sure
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00:03 <pippijn> hm
00:03 <pippijn> no I think it's fine
00:03 <pippijn> friend makes it external
00:03 <pippijn> so it should be fine
00:04 <pippijn> but the constructor thing is strange
00:04 <pippijn> I am too tired to think about that now
00:04 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's a bug in gcc
00:04 <pippijn> torres: { int ia[] = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1 }; cout << ia; }
00:04 <torres> [1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1]
00:04 <pippijn> :-)
00:05 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: possibly a parse error..
00:05 <wrtlprnft> templated for arrays of size N?
00:05 <pippijn> yes
00:05 <pippijn> for vectors, too
00:06 <pippijn> and lists
00:06 <wrtlprnft> deques? :O
00:06 <pippijn> and set
00:06 <pippijn> and deque
00:07 <pippijn> and whatnot
00:07 <pippijn> :p
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00:08 <wrtlprnft> torres: << (int[]){1,2,3,42}
00:08 <torres> ISO C++ forbids compound-literals
00:08 <epsy> FFFF!
00:08 <wrtlprnft> aww
00:08 <pippijn> anything that can be iterated over, basically
00:08 <epsy> gn
00:08 <wrtlprnft> 'night
00:08 <epsy> #night
00:08 <armabot> Good night epsy!
00:08 <pippijn> stack, queue, priority_queue, valarray, T[N], ...
00:08 <pippijn> good night
00:09 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: but there's no way to write a template that just accepts everything that can be iterated :-(
00:09 <pippijn> well
00:09 <pippijn> http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/796df35d39ed74d72112ee3abcdf5553.txt <- very dangerous
00:11 <wrtlprnft> i don't know enough boost for that
00:11 <pippijn> it's simple
00:11 <pippijn> it can iterate over anything that can be iterated over in a standard way
00:11 <pippijn> i.e. it defines iterators or is an array
00:12 <pippijn> print_range isn't everything
00:12 <wrtlprnft> ah
00:12 <wrtlprnft> but some_ostream << <any type> is a bit generic
00:12 <pippijn> exactly
00:13 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/a2827378e96a7d2f19231c92bd64ccc2.txt
00:14 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: this requires that R has ::iterator defined
00:14  * luke-jr peers at 'freak'
00:15 <pippijn> and then I write one for T const (&array)[N]
00:15 <wrtlprnft> doesn't that have the same problem?
00:15 <pippijn> no
00:15 <wrtlprnft> it's still an operator << for an ostream and an R const &
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00:15 <pippijn> yes
00:15 <wrtlprnft> that returns something weird
00:15 <pippijn> but it requires you to have R::iterator
00:16 <pippijn> otherwise the compiler won't pick that function
00:16 <pippijn> print_range is very generic
00:16 <wrtlprnft> because it tries to return something with a type containg R::iterator?
00:16 <pippijn> operator << limits the possibilities
00:16 <pippijn> yes
00:16 <wrtlprnft> will that stop the compiler from using it?
00:16 <pippijn> yes
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i thought it'd still try and throw errors
00:17 <wrtlprnft> but you know these corner cases better than me.
00:17 <pippijn> it won't try
00:17 <wrtlprnft> nice <ignore first argument, return second> template
00:17 <pippijn> torres: struct A { }; int main () { cout << A (); }
00:17 <torres> no match for 'operator<<' in 'cout << A()'
00:17 <pippijn> torres: << 1 == 1
00:17 <torres> no match for 'operator==' in 'cout.ostream::operator<<(1) == 1'
00:17 <pippijn> ah well
00:18 <pippijn> the first one is a good example
00:18 <pippijn> A would be used by print_range and it would error out
00:18 <pippijn> but the operator << protects it
00:18 <wrtlprnft> nice
00:19 <wrtlprnft> if you nest detail::snd or make a new one with more ignored args you can add more restraints :-)
00:19 <pippijn> yes
00:19 <pippijn> but it's not necessary
00:19 <pippijn> as long as you can iterate over something, it's fine
00:20 <pippijn> the restriction R::iterator is actually too strict
00:20 <pippijn> R::const_iterator suffices
00:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah, for that case :-)
00:20 <pippijn> boost::range_const_iterator<> picks R::const_iterator for everything non-POD
00:21  * wrtlprnft is thinking about something that checks if some member function of a template arg has the right prototype
00:21 <pippijn> it picks T* for POD types
00:21 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: erroring out if not?
00:21 <wrtlprnft> nah, not picking it if not
00:22 <pippijn> hm
00:22 <pippijn> member functions are heavy crack
00:22 <wrtlprnft> template<int (&T_Ignore)(int), typename T> struct snd {typedef T type;};
00:22 <pippijn> for example, it's not possible to get the class name out of a member function
00:22 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't that work?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> for static members at least
00:23 <pippijn> statics are better
00:23 <wrtlprnft> or will that error out if the function in question is there but doesn't have the right prototype?
00:24 <wrtlprnft> (using the same trick you used in your code)
00:24 <pippijn> the problem is that you need to define the member function's class in the template
00:24 <wrtlprnft> one more template arg?
00:25 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; void typename snd<A::foo, int>::type main () { }
00:25 <torres> no return statement in function returning non-void
00:25 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { return 0; } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; void typename snd<A::foo, int>::type main () { }
00:25 <torres> using 'typename' outside of template
00:25 <pippijn> ah
00:25 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { return 0; } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; void snd<A::foo, int>::type main () { }
00:25 <torres> could not convert template argument 'A::foo' to 'int (A::*)()'
00:26 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { return 0; } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; void snd<&A::foo, int>::type main () { }
00:26 <torres> too few template-parameter-lists
00:26 <wrtlprnft> wan. those are errors i've never heard of
00:27 <pippijn> oops
00:27 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { return 0; } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; snd<&A::foo, int>::type main () { }
00:27 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
00:27 <pippijn> torres: struct A { int foo () { return 0; } void moo () { } }; template<int (A::*)(), typename T> struct snd { typedef T type; }; snd<&A::moo, int>::type main () { }
00:27 <torres> could not convert template argument '&A::moo' to 'int (A::*)()'
00:27 <pippijn> hm
00:27 <pippijn> okay
00:27 <pippijn> let's see
00:27 <pippijn> I think it would be possible
00:28 <pippijn> but I don't see how you would use that
00:28 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what would you use it for?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> dunno yet
00:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe for begin() and end() :P
00:28 <wrtlprnft> if i don't want to use boost
00:29 <wrtlprnft> does boost just have a list of known containers internally?
00:29 <pippijn> for what?
00:29 <pippijn> boost::range_const_iterator<>?
00:29 <wrtlprnft> foryeag
00:29 <wrtlprnft> *yeag
00:29 <wrtlprnft> *yeah
00:30 <pippijn> 00:22 < pippijn> boost::range_const_iterator<> picks R::const_iterator for everything non-POD
00:30 <pippijn> so for struct A, too
00:30 <wrtlprnft> ah
00:30 <pippijn> torres: struct A { }; int main () { typename boost::range_const_iterator<A>::type b; }
00:30 <torres> using 'typename' outside of template
00:30 <wrtlprnft> there might still be some use :-)
00:30 <pippijn> ah
00:30 <pippijn> torres: struct A { }; int main () { boost::range_const_iterator<A>::type b; }
00:30 <torres> no type named 'const_iterator' in 'struct A'
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00:36 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: now torres knows variadic templates and rvalue references
00:37 <pippijn> torres: << TYPE_DESC (int (*)(int, char, char, char, short, short))
00:37 <torres> pointer to a function taking an integer, 3 characters, 2 short ints, and returning an integer
00:38 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:39 <pippijn> torres: TYPE_DESC (string &&)
00:39 <torres> expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion at end of input
00:39 <pippijn> torres: << TYPE_DESC (string &&)
00:39 <torres> rvalue reference to a string
00:39 <wrtlprnft> torres: << TYPE_DESC((int (*)(int))(*)(int (*)(int)))
00:39 <torres> `*' cannot appear in a constant-expression
00:39 <wrtlprnft> i knew i'd mess this one up
00:40 <wrtlprnft> torres: << TYPE_DESC(int (*)(int) (*)(int (*)(int)))
00:40 <torres> `*' cannot appear in a constant-expression
00:40 <pippijn> torres: template<typename A1, typename... Args> void foo () { cout << TYPE (A1) << " "; foo (Args...); } int main () { foo<int, char, char, int, short, string> (); }
00:40 <torres> expected primary-expression before '...' token
00:40 <wrtlprnft> torres: << TYPE_DESC(int (*)(int (*a)(int)))
00:40 <torres> pointer to a function taking a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer and returning an integer
00:41 <wrtlprnft> torres: << TYPE_DESC(int(*)(int) (*)(int (*a)(int)))
00:41 <torres> `*' cannot appear in a constant-expression
00:41  * wrtlprnft gives up
00:41 <wrtlprnft> if i want to return function pointers i use typedefs...
00:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: { typdef int (*f)(int); cout << TYPE_DESC(f(*)(f)); }
00:42 <torres> 'typdef' was not declared in this scope
00:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: { typedef int (*f)(int); cout << TYPE_DESC(f(*)(f)); }
00:42 <torres> pointer to a function taking a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer and returning a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer
00:42 <pippijn> torres: template<typename A1, typename... Ts> void foo () { cout << TYPE (A1) << " "; foo<Ts...> (); } int main () { foo<int, char, char, int, short, string> (); }
00:42 <torres> no matching function for call to 'foo()'
00:42 <flex> z-man, you've not given up looking have you? :p
00:42 <pippijn> torres: void foo () { cout << "finished :-)"; } template<typename A1, typename... Ts> void foo () { cout << TYPE (A1) << " "; foo<Ts...> (); } int main () { foo<int, char, char, int, short, string> (); }
00:42 <torres> no matching function for call to 'foo()'
00:42 <pippijn> uhm
00:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: { typedef int (*f)(int); typedef f(*g)(f)); cout << TYPE_DESC(g(*)(g)); }
00:42 <torres> expected initializer before ')' token
00:43 <z-man> Hmm? No, if you've been testing wrtl's lates build, then that did not include the relevant changes :)
00:43 <pippijn> torres: template<typename T> void foo () { cout << TYPE(T) << " finished :-)"; } template<typename A1, typename... Ts> void foo () { cout << TYPE (A1) << " "; foo<Ts...> (); } int main () { foo<int, char, char, int, short, string> (); }
00:43 <torres> call of overloaded 'foo()' is ambiguous
00:43 <pippijn> :-|
00:43 <wrtlprnft> torres: { typedef int (*f)(int); typedef f(*g)(f); cout << TYPE_DESC(g(*)(g)); }
00:43  * flex slaps wrtlprnft around a bit with a large trout
00:43 <torres> pointer to a function taking a pointer to a function taking a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer and returning a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer and returning a pointer to a function taking a pointer to a function taking an integer and r
00:43  * flex slaps wrtlprnft around a bit with a large trout
00:43 <wrtlprnft> flex: i can't provide a better build
00:43 <z-man> I'm just TRYING to merge, but I get internal server errors.
00:43 <wrtlprnft> slap z-man for not merging before i go to inzell until sunday evening
00:44 <pippijn> torres: void foo () { cout << "finished :-)"; } template<typename A1, typename... Ts> void foo (A1, Ts... ts) { cout << TYPE (A1) << " "; foo (ts...); } int main () { foo (int (), int (), char (), string ()); }
00:44 <torres> int int char string finished :-)
00:44  * flex slaps z-man around a bit with a large trout
00:44 <wrtlprnft> so, no build from me until sunday
00:44 <pippijn> not exactly the way I wanted it but it works
00:44 <z-man>  /admin kill flex
00:44 <flex> arrrrr me maty
00:44 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:44 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:45 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: just out of curiosity, how DO i return a function pointer without using a typedef?
00:45 <z-man> You use the full type?
00:45 <pippijn> :-)
00:45 <wrtlprnft> didn't work :-(
00:45 <z-man> no?
00:45 <pippijn> it does
00:45  * flex hibernates till you guys get it together
00:45 <pippijn> you just messed up the syntax
00:45 <pippijn> torres: -c int (*foo ()) { return 0; }
00:45 <torres> Compilation succeeded.
00:46 <z-man> pippijn: that's easy, because the syntax is messed up :)
00:46 <pippijn> torres: int (*foo ()) { return 0; } int main () { cout << ETYPE_DESC (foo); }
00:46 <torres> nullary function returning a pointer to an integer
00:46 <pippijn> oh wait
00:46 <pippijn> torres: int (*foo ())() { return 0; } int main () { cout << ETYPE_DESC (foo); }
00:46 <torres> nullary function returning a pointer to a nullary function returning an integer
00:46 <pippijn> :-)
00:46 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: like that
00:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, you need to write the function inside the brackets?
00:47 <wrtlprnft> argh
00:47 <pippijn> yes
00:47 <wrtlprnft> torres: << TYPE_DESC(int (* (*)(int))(int))
00:47 <torres> pointer to a function taking an integer and returning a pointer to a function taking an integer and returning an integer
00:47 <wrtlprnft> that's it, i'm really going to bed
00:47 <pippijn> good night
00:48 <wrtlprnft> this function pointer syntax sucks.
00:48 <pippijn> yes, it does
00:50 <z-man> Ah, we need to update our SF passwords.
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01:05 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8270 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/tank_todo-halffinnished.txt: Removed incomplete sentence :)
01:05 <z-man> Argh, what, that went through?
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8271 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (20 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8230 to 8269:
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8269 | bazaarmagetron | 2008-03-06 19:48:38 +0100 (Thu, 06 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: added FORTRESS_COLLAPSE_SPEED to control the time between the conquest of a zone and the vanishing (and killing of the team members)
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8268 | z-man | 2008-03-06 15:37:25 +0100 (Thu, 06 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
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02:36 <pippijn> good night
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05:04 <Durka_> #m eddiefantastic http://durkadurkaland.com/portal.php?topic_id=2815 :P (I think I might need help for the mainpage one, but thank you so much)
05:04 <armabot> Durka_: The operation succeeded.
05:04 <Durka_> #m eddiefantastic again, #m Durka not this lame name
05:04 <armabot> Durka_: The operation succeeded.
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09:44 <Durka> eddiefantastic: gah, wake up!
09:44 <Durka> luke-jr: help?
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11:17 <Durka> does anyone here know anything about anything?
11:18 <+P4> i know DDL sucks :þ
11:18 <Durka> P4: :}
11:19 <Durka> can u help me?
11:19 <+P4> i don't know, what with?
11:19 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/sb.php
11:19 <Durka> how would i go about hiding what's below the 3 gold arrows
11:19 <Durka> and then having it show when u click on that odd-red-colored text
11:20 <+P4> i guess it's java script
11:20 <Durka> i use a show/hide thing for the "Who's Playing in DDL"
11:20 <Durka> but i tried the same one and the script crashes
11:20 <+P4> sth like here? http://mastercontrolprogram.de/
11:20 <+P4> (click on the pink header)
11:20 <Durka> well
11:20 <Durka> dhtml sux
11:21 <Durka> i don't really wanna use it
11:21 <Durka> btw, does that browser look familiar to u? :}
11:21 <+P4> yes, like any armabrowser :þ
11:22 <Durka> :þ
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12:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8272 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
12:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Added eGameObject::OnRoundBegin(), called after game object creation.
12:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Used it in the zone code to fix the flickering empty zone glitch in sumo,
12:01 <armabot> armagetronad: and to avoid rare midgame zone ownership changes.
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14:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8273 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Don't show "IP=<empty>" in /players output.
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15:29 <epsy> does arma support multiple config directories?
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15:45 <z-man> epsy: only partially. It supports loading some config files from var and config directories.
15:45 <epsy> i see
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16:17 <flex> it would be a nice idea, when installing you could choose where you want your config directory, making it easier to use different clients..
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16:19 <z-man> Ah that. If you compile from source and run from the build directory, your data will also reside inside the build directory.
16:20 <z-man> and of course, we have the command line arguments setting config and var directories.
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16:24 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] Z-Man: BUG tesing annoyance level :)
16:24 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: game ended.
16:25 <z-man> Server stat bots rule :) Feel free to complain about the noise level, I can always move the bot to a different channel.
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16:46 <madmax> you could make make bugfarmer announce killing sprees :-D
16:46 <epsy> ew O_o
16:47 <madmax> pfft.
16:47 <epsy> :|
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16:50 <madmax> "Armagetron killed 15th people in a row without dying!"
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16:50 <epsy> haha
16:51 <madmax> "Armagetron doesn't die since last week!"
16:52 <epsy> there's no part messages tho
16:52 <flex> epsy
16:52 <flex> come cafe
16:52 <flex> for a sec
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16:55 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: TOIRC another test
16:57 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: TOIRC come on, join :)
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17:01 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [3] ¦×¦ flex: BUG hihi
17:02 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: TOIRC works now, too
17:02 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [3] ¦×¦ flex: TOIRC epsy is gay
17:02 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] ¦×¦ Hoax: TOIRC /me agrees 100%
17:03 <luke-jr> TOAA flex is gay
17:06 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [3] ¦×¦ flex: no i mean, on the irc, does it have to include "TOIRC" infront of the persons line
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17:07 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: don't abuse BUG, please.
17:07 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] ¦×¦ Hoax: BUG Z-Man has points
17:09 <luke-jr> lol
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17:18 <MrBougo> wtf
17:18 <MrBougo> this rox :)
17:18 <MrBougo> irc gateways ftw
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17:18 <MrBougo> can you chat in the server too?
17:18 <MrBougo> like
17:18 <MrBougo> bugfarmer: hello peeps!
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17:30 <K-Yo> won't it be a bit annoying to see every player that comes in?
17:30 <z-man> It sure will :)
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17:36 <luke-jr> should be an XMPP gateway ☹
17:36 <luke-jr> and unidirectional
17:37 <z-man> you mean bidirectional?
17:38  * z-man should probably tune down repeated join messages.
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18:24 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [8] /etc/shadow: TOIRC: dump scores
18:28 <StickyNoob> is bugfarmer a bot?
18:28 <K-Yo> no
18:28 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: BUG: wrong message.
18:28 <K-Yo> he's one newbie fortress
18:28 <K-Yo> on*
18:28 <K-Yo> and says everytime someone enters :P
18:28 <StickyNoob> then why the fuck is he pasteing massive segments of logs
18:28 <K-Yo> He should get kicked
18:28 <K-Yo> that is spam
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18:30 <StickyNoob> bugfarmer: ping
18:30 <StickyNoob> bugfarmer: what are you doing?
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18:31 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [4] cT¤K_Yo: Z-Man can we answer to TOIRC messages from IRC?
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18:32 <K-Yo> StickyNoob, it's a bot -.
18:32 <K-Yo> -
18:32 <StickyNoob> ahh so
18:32 <StickyNoob> you were lying
18:33 <K-Yo> Indeed ;)
18:33 <K-Yo> with Irony I thought
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18:48 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: I see you renaming to :TOIRC already.
18:48 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [0] 1: TOIRC, IP = 82.227.65.72
18:48 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [0] TOIRC renamed to s1:TOIRC.
18:48 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: toirc authenticated as epsy@x.
18:48 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] s1:TOIRC: indeed
18:49 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] bot.rby bot.rby~ filter filter~ runbot runbot~ s1:TOIRC wonders bot.rby bot.rby~ filter filter~ runbot runbot~
18:49 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] s1:TOIRC: what about core dump messages?
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18:49 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [1] s1:TOIRC: Z-Man: it is anyway
18:49 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [2] Z-Man: TOIRC bot.rby bot.rby~ filter filter~ runbot runbot~
18:50 <bugfarmer> newbie_fortress: [4] cT¤K_Yo: s1:TOIRC you won't core dump anyone :P
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18:53 <MrBougo> is bugfarmer going to stay here?
18:54 <MrBougo> hes gonna spam us all the day
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18:54 <K-Yo> z-man will stop it I guess
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19:36 <z-man> MrBougo: I can move it to a separate channel.
19:36 <z-man> like, #armagetron-servers.
19:36 <epsy> heh
19:36 <epsy> in the form of #commits ?
19:36 <z-man> No, bugfarmer is a simple ruby irc bot that just pushes stdin to IRC.
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19:57 <MrBougo> that's better :)
19:59 <z-man-work> The spam is on #armagetron-servers, if anyone is interested. I had this in mind as a makeshift friends notification thingy, too lazy to program a systray hiding program.
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20:11 <epsy> heh
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8274 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/make/sortresources.py: (log message trimmed)
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed bug which caused first build to forever hang when sorting resources. We were using absolute paths--not relative. Thus:
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: >>> os.path.split("/foo")
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: ('/', 'foo')
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: caused an infinite loop, and the expected result:
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20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: >>> os.path.split("foo")
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20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: ('', 'foo')
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20:44  * epsy forgot to advertise #arma.fff 
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21:17 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft it would be neat if armabot could also manage the #armagetron-servers channel for spammy bots; bugfarmer is too primitive for that task.
21:17 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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22:48 <epsy> i'm not getting any poll on my client :|
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23:17 <flex> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18296
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00:54 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8275 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gGame.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed blank screen bug; it was caused by bad tToDo recursion.
00:54 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8276 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed one vote item delivery bug. There must be another one hiding somewhere, though.
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01:02 <epsy> luke-jr, any way i can upload a config file to the repository?
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01:20 <luke-jr> epsy: don't know that there's a policy on that
01:20 <luke-jr> epsy: get the evil guys to ok it and email it to me
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05:25 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8277 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/eEventNotification.cpp: Only send a Growl update if not dedicated
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11:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8278 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tRecorder.cpp: Fixed extra trailing \0 in playback strings.
11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8279 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nAuthentication.cpp: Added full user name to recording.
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11:48 <zmanuel> Phew, just in time for the adsl reset :)
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13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8280 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nAuthentication.cpp: Recording fixes for the case when there are errors talking to the authority.
13:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8281 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: Added -O0 to debug configuration, just in case.
13:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8282 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp: Fixed clientside reception of server controlled vote items.
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14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8283 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp: Re-added VOTE_USE_SERVER_CONTROLLED_KICK config item on the client to avoid UPGRADE messages.
15:02 <epsy> z-man, is this <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=194849> patch still neccessary ?
15:02 <epsy> (the ZThreads one)
15:02 <z-man> Not if you compile with -fpermissive.
15:03 <epsy> ok thanks
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15:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8284 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ (ePlayer.cpp ePlayer.h):
15:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Voter datastructure (with a little more persistence than ePlayerNetID) is only used to store suspensions while the ePlayerNetID object does not exist.
15:04 <armabot> armagetronad: This avoids suspending everyone connecting from the same LAN all at once.
15:05 <z-man> Now, what to do with the slow zone collapse?
15:06 <epsy> stop letting it being affected by players?
15:07 <z-man> It already is unaffected by players, I think.
15:09 <epsy> so why does it turn backwards
15:09 <z-man> Because :)
15:10 <z-man> As a symbol that it has been conquered.
15:10 <z-man> Would greying it work better?
15:10 <epsy> fading it? maybe
15:10 <z-man> Smoothly fading would not be possible, but suddenly making it a low intensity grey is possible.
15:11 <epsy> oh
15:11 <epsy> :(
15:11 <z-man> Well, with lots of sync messages, smooth fading is sort of possible, but it's wasteful.
15:13 <epsy> what about a client side fade?
15:14  * z-man does not want to do too fancy clientside stuff in zones 1.0
15:14 <epsy> heh
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8285 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWinZone.cpp:
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Experimenting with different visuals for slowly collapsing zones.
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Take 1: When conquered, the zone lights up in white, then slows down. When the rotation stops, it darkens.
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15:35 <madmax> z-man: like maz was saying yesterday, why not just make them disappear? and perhaps a big "Zone's dead!"
15:39 <z-man> Well, when they're gone, they give no indication how long it will be before the kill effect happens.
15:39 <epsy> transform them into a clock! :þ
15:40 <epsy> wrtlprnft, where is DEDICATED_IDLE set to 0 on xfort?
15:41 <madmax> text warnings...? "10 seconds left"
15:42 <z-man> Work :)
15:46 <z-man> Of course, yeah, if all else fails, text messages are going to be the way. People are not too eager to read them, though.
15:46 <z-man> Of course, it's something different whether you're crazily mazing inside the enemy zone and you miss the message that the zone is conquered :)
15:48 <madmax> can the zone's colour be changed on the fly?
15:48 <z-man> yep.
15:49 <madmax> black would look pretty dead
15:49 <z-man> Black would be invisible :)
15:49 <z-man> zones are rendered with additive blending.
15:49 <madmax> close to black :-P
15:49 <z-man> I have them half-dark grey now, looks ghosty enough.
16:03 <+noob7> z-man, one question, I am currently trying to install the 2.8_alpha20080217, but when doing ./bootstrap.sh I get the following exxor message: http://pastebin.ca/933901, ZThread is installed and had CXXGLAGS=-fpermissive set, I have no clue where to go from here...
16:07 <z-man> Well, that error message says that ZTHead has not installed its AM_PATH_ZTHREAD macro
16:07 <z-man> odd, I thought we'd be supplying that.
16:08 <+noob7> I tried finding anything about AM_PATH_ZTHREAD macro but wasnt really able to find anything at all Oo
16:09 <+noob7> how would I go about manually adding the macro?
16:10 <z-man> It shoudlnt' be used, actually.
16:10 <z-man> can you check configure.ac?
16:10 <epsy> noob7, did you install the ZThreads-dev package?
16:10 <z-man> It should use AM_PATH_ZTHREAD_AA macro.
16:11 <+noob7> what should I look for in configure.ac?
16:11 <z-man> AM_PATH_ZTHREAD.
16:12 <z-man> You shoudln't actually run ./bootstrap.sh for source tarballs, but that's another thing, lets first check the macro.
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16:14 <+noob7> its not in configure.ac
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16:15 <z-man> where is it then? If there is an error message, it has to be somewhere.
16:17 <+noob7> well the error message says it can't be found, right? Oo
16:18 <StickyNoob> heh, circular reasoning
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16:19 <z-man> Sure, but it doesn't complain that SDKFLJSDF:LPSDIFSF can't be found either :)
16:19 <z-man> Something must be looking for the macro, and I'd like to know what.
16:20 <madmax> grep -r "AM_PATH_ZTHREAD" . ? :-P
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16:23 <z-man> madmax: I did that, of course, and it doesn't turn up anything (apart from a comment and AM_PATH_ZTHREAD_AA things)
16:25 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8286 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/macosx/AAURLHandler.mm: gServerInfoFavorite -> nServerInfoRedirect
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17:04 <epsy> wrtlprnft, you there?
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17:05 <z-man> I think he's on vacation or something.
17:05 <epsy> ah? meh :|
17:06 <rico> ;o
17:06 <z-man> I also think he said something about being back sunday.
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17:28 <K-Yo> On last build of 0.3, the chatbot doesn't turn at all?
17:28 <z-man> Feature :)
17:29  * z-man doesn't know about the 0.3 builds, but on latest 0.2.8, it's still working fine.
17:30 <K-Yo> roger
17:32 <K-Yo> who's taking care of 0.3?
17:32 <K-Yo> because the chat bot is not a big problem
17:33 <K-Yo> but I can't vote anymore for pending polls
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17:45 <z-man> The vote thing is going to be fixed in the next build.
17:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8287 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8269 to 8286:
17:52 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8285 | z-man | 2008-03-08 15:24:06 +0100 (Sat, 08 Mar 2008) | 3 lines
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  Experimenting with different visuals for slowly collapsing zones.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  Take 1: When conquered, the zone lights up in white, then slows down. When the rotation stops, it darkens.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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18:26 <epsy> z-man, that change is client-side, right?
18:26 <z-man> No, server side.
18:27 <z-man> The client is too clueless about the true state of the fortress to do anything meaningful.
18:27 <epsy> oh i see
18:36 <Ttech> 0.0
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19:09 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8288 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Typo, don't include gWinZone.cpp
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19:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8289 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Added 0.2.8_alpha20080308.
19:23 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
19:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8290 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: The usual generic-linux-gnu -> GNU/Linux transformation.
19:24 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
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21:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8291 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS): Manuel Moos: added bits.
21:59 <epsy> #sd o.s
21:59 <armabot> epsy: ¦×¦.Sumo.Server: Players (0/16):
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22:04 <epsy> #tell wrtlprnft i've found a way to make my stdin input files-fed servers to restart once dedicated_idle expired, see startserver.php
22:05 <epsy> #later tell wrtlprnft i've found a way to make my stdin input files-fed servers to restart once dedicated_idle expired, see startserver.php
22:05 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
22:16 <+noob7> ls
22:16 <+noob7> lsls
22:20 <epsy> lslsls
22:23 <epsy> um, except settings_custom.cfg and server_info.cfg, there's no other *required* config file?
22:32 <zmanuel> epsy: and even these are not required.
22:34 <epsy> ah..
22:36 <epsy> zmanuel, what else could generate a config files not found error?
22:37 <zmanuel> config files not being found?
22:37 <zmanuel> is it a fatal error?
22:37 <epsy> yes
22:39 <zmanuel> Ah, we're looking for the standard config files to see where the configuration is stored :)
22:39 <zmanuel> What error is it?
22:39 <epsy> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in tron/gArmagetron.cpp:562 :
22:39 <epsy>         Configuration files not found. Check your installation.
22:39 <epsy> duudii will probably answer better than me
22:42 <duudii> well it sort of got solved...
22:42 <epsy> how?
22:42 <duudii> by not using the --configdir flag :P
22:42 <epsy> haha
22:43 <duudii> I'm too confused and frustrated..
22:43 <duudii> this will do for now.
22:44 <epsy> um, this way you have no way setting config for your different servers
22:44 <duudii> yeah..that's the problem
22:44 <epsy> what could cause this :/
22:54 <+noob7> ls57r3374r7
22:54 <zmanuel> dunno, I'm looking at it.
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23:32 <Durka> #hello
23:32 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:40 AM, October 15, 2006)
23:33 <ct|kyle> dorka
23:33 <Durka> k(oi)le
23:37 <deja_vu> http://www.gk-film.de/uploads/media/Titanen_dtVCD_PAL_01.mpg
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23:52 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverdetails.php?name=ServerNameGoesHere <---does that come from the serverxml.php file?
23:52 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
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23:52 <deja_vu> hm... wrong channel ><
23:54 <zmanuel> epsy, duudii: sorry, works for me. Need more info on what exactly you are doing.
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00:10 <zmanuel> deja_vu: omg, I had no clue!
00:11 <epsy> zmanuel, i don't know what to precise
00:12 <zmanuel> The exact command line, for example.
00:12 <epsy> duudii, armagetronad-dedicated --version
00:12 <epsy> duudii, ping :)
00:12 <zmanuel> The version shouldn't matter as long as it's >= 0.2.8, the system hasn't changed.
00:13 <epsy> ok
00:13 <epsy> except for sighup ;)
00:13 <duudii> hay sorry was looking elsewhere :P
00:13 <duudii> i'll get back to you after some testing
00:14 <epsy> duudii, what testing :?
00:14  * epsy started overusing totally weird smileys
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03:50 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: PING
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04:27 <luke-jr> ct|kyle:
04:28 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: does http://eddie.plantpeanuts.co.uk/maptools/letters.php work in konqueror 4
04:30 <luke-jr> my Konq4 is not setup for Java
04:31 <ct|kyle> oh
04:31 <luke-jr> and you have an extra --> in your failover content
04:31 <ct|kyle> not mine
04:31 <ct|kyle> ed's
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07:01 <Durka_> luke-jr luke-jr luke-jr luke-jr luke-jr luke-jr
07:02 <Durka_> MrBougo: xD
07:02 <Durka_> #armaservers
07:02 <armabot> Durka_: This data is 5 seconds old; Wild West  =Wild Fortress= (10/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (7/14), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (6/16), Norm's Place (5/12), Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) (4/16), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (4/10), -=3N| Clan Server ~{DF}~ (4/8), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (4/12), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (3/12), Swampland in 0.2.8 (3/8), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (2/12), (1 more message)
07:02 <MrBougo> oh hei Durka_ :o
07:03 <Durka_> :) how are u
07:03 <MrBougo> finey!
07:03 <MrBougo> you? :p
07:03 <Durka_> good :S
07:03 <MrBougo> huh?
07:03 <ct|kyle> Durka_: is a crappy name
07:04 <Durka_> yes
07:04 <Durka_> kyle
07:04 <Durka_> oi
07:04 <ct|kyle> oi
07:04 <Durka_> aim
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07:04 <MrBougo> the hell?
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12:28 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: test 123?
12:28 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: without logging on?
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14:09 <epsy>  /admin kill epsy@x would work, right?
14:09 <epsy> (suposing i'm alive :) )
14:09 <epsy> *p
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15:07 <pippijn> hi z-man
15:07 <pippijn> I started working on a set of C++ syntax extensions
15:07 <z-man> epsy: actually, it should work.
15:08 <pippijn> with perl-like pattern matching
15:08  * z-man doesn't know perl
15:08 <pippijn> list literals, tuple literals and refcounting
15:08 <pippijn> it looks like this:
15:08 <pippijn> match (string) {
15:08 <pippijn>   /regexp/ : { code }
15:09 <pippijn> | /moo.*/ : { code2 }
15:09 <pippijn> }
15:09 <z-man> ah, so string sort-of-switch statements.
15:09 <pippijn> yes
15:09 <pippijn> using regex->nfa->dfa algorithms
15:09 <pippijn> so regexes are compiled at compile time
15:09 <pippijn> not at runtime
15:10 <pippijn> also you can define datatypes with a 'refcounted' flag
15:10 <epsy> z-man, oh, and suspension of players happen after the 'wait for external script' delay, right?
15:11 <pippijn> and any use of the type is transparent
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15:11 <z-man> epsy: it happens in the next round.
15:12 <pippijn> it will also have native support for "delegates"
15:12 <z-man> I think before AND after everytime.cfg is loaded.
15:12  * z-man doesn't quite see the use of arbitrary refcounted types
15:12 <epsy> z-man, say, i suspend players during the 'wait for external script' delay, they will get suspended before the next round starts, right?
15:12 <epsy> ah
15:13 <z-man> epsy: I hope, you'll need to try it.
15:13 <epsy> heh
15:13 <epsy> hm, i need a way to suspend them without throwing a shitload of messages to everyone :/
15:14 <pippijn> certain datatypes are always refcounted, because managing its memory may be nontrivial
15:14 <z-man> Ah, no, I was wrong, suspension only works at one point, directly before game objects are spawend. Which is the right point :)
15:14 <pippijn> it's mainly a testbed for algorithms and ideas :-)
15:14 <pippijn> not necessarily for production
15:14 <epsy> phew :)
15:14 <z-man> Ah,ok, then it's interesting :)
15:15 <epsy> ROUND_SCORE in ladderlog only happens for players, not for teams?
15:15 <z-man> Yes.
15:15 <z-man> BUG?
15:15 <epsy> hm..
15:15  * epsy wanted one for teams
15:15 <epsy> wait..
15:15 <epsy> ROUND_SCORE 30 ~|ds|~_plage team_blue 750
15:16 <epsy> here, 750 is the team score?
15:16 <z-man> Oh, yeah :)
15:16 <z-man> But it's the total score, not the score difference in this round.
15:17 <epsy> perfect, /me goes kill bugfarm elimination
15:19 <z-man> Aha, the team score was added by wrtl
15:19  * z-man slaps wrtlprnft
15:27 <wrtlprnft> wah, back from inzell
15:27 <wrtlprnft> team score?
15:28 <wrtlprnft> #later tell durka* sort of. It's using the same database as serverlist.xml, so it should always display the same information
15:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:29 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i'll have a look at the stdin+dedicated_idle thing, thanks
15:29 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: test what?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man: bugfarmer? a new crazy bot?
15:30 <pippijn> wrtlprnft?
15:30 <z-man> wb, wrtlprnft
15:30 <wrtlprnft> 12:28 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: test 123?
15:30 <wrtlprnft> 12:28 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: without logging on?
15:30 <pippijn> oh
15:30 <pippijn> 23:50 < armagetron> <wrtlprnft> test 123
15:30 <pippijn> on xinutec
15:30 <z-man> yeah, bugfarmer spams IRC with game updates of the bugfarm servers.
15:31 <wrtlprnft> /join #armagetron-servers?
15:31 <z-man> yep.
15:31 <wrtlprnft> join #armagetron-servers
15:31 <wrtlprnft> #join #armagetron-servers
15:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what team score did I add?
15:33 <z-man> in  ePlayerNetID::LogScoreDifference
15:33 <z-man>             ret << " " << FilterName( currentTeam->Name() ) << " " << currentTeam->Score();
15:33 <z-man> bzr blame says it's yours :)
15:34 <z-man> It's not totally useless, but the score that is logged for the player is what he accumulated in this round.
15:35 <wrtlprnft> z-man: heh, i took that from armahacktron
15:35 <z-man> Aha! Blame passing :)
15:36 <wrtlprnft> :D
15:36 <z-man> I'll remvoe the score, leave the team, and add an extra team score difference message, then.
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15:41 <epsy> z-man, what would #armagetron-servers be for a place ?
15:41 <z-man> wrtlprnft: armabot is still there. and tronner, if you have control over that.
15:42 <epsy> P4, ping
15:42 <z-man> epsy: a place for spammy serverbots to hang out.
15:42 <epsy> z-man, and what would they spam?
15:42 <z-man> Dunno :) mine spams with player join messages.
15:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i don't control tronner…
15:42 <wrtlprnft> #part #armagetron-servers
15:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:42 <z-man> So you can use your IRC client's features to simulate friendlists and the like.
15:43 <wrtlprnft> or do crazy stats
15:43 <epsy> with ascii graphs *cough* kline *cough*
15:44 <wrtlprnft> epsy: err, do you want rico to have access to rain@armagetron.at?
15:44 <epsy> yes
15:44 <wrtlprnft> epsy: and would you be willing to coach him :P
15:44 <epsy> haha
15:44 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
15:45 <wrtlprnft> well, he's got access now
15:45 <wrtlprnft> i authorized his public key
15:45 <epsy> ok
15:46 <wrtlprnft> <luke-mode>you could have done that yourself</luke-mode>
15:46 <epsy> orly?
15:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:48 <wrtlprnft> ~/.ssh/auth*
15:48  * epsy didn't know
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15:55 <K-Yo> epsy, tu m'a pinger pr que je parte?
15:56 <epsy> pour te le rappeler :|
15:58 <wrtlprnft> z-man: tronner should have left now
16:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8292 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added ROUND_SCORE_TEAM ladderlog message.
16:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: hmm, i see your trick… It sort of destroys the point in limiting the restarts of a server to one per minute, though :x
16:03 <wrtlprnft> probably still better than no restart at all
16:03 <epsy> couldn't find any other way around
16:04 <epsy> anyway that would only happen if the stdin file exists
16:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8293 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Typo.
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16:10 <wrtlprnft> it's quite hard to empty a channel :-/
16:10 <epsy> not with an op :þ
16:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah :P
16:12 <z-man> It would be easier if P4 wasnt a blockhead :)
16:13 <z-man> he's still hanging around there.
16:13 <epsy> wrtlprnft, Monkey wants to wait he gets his new hardware before getting into auth stuff etc
16:13 <wrtlprnft> ok, no problem
16:49 <epsy> does WAIT_FOR_EXTERNAL_SCRIPT and ROUND_COMMENCING exist? i see nothing about them in NEWS
16:54 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8294 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: new windows experimental build
16:54 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8295 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.cbp: re-added gWinZone.* to the codeblocks project, it got removed for some reason
16:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i think we don't have the script wait thing
16:56 <epsy> ok
16:56 <wrtlprnft> epsy: feel free to write a patch, it should still be in time for 0.2.8.3
16:56 <epsy> it already exists, doesn't it?
16:57 <epsy> (in CT's version)
16:57 <wrtlprnft> well, coupled with all the rest of armahacktron
16:57 <wrtlprnft> you can isolate it
17:11 <epsy> how is named the game timer?
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17:13 <epsy> ah, it is paused...so i must use a tTime ?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> err, i have no clie
17:26 <wrtlprnft> *clue
17:27 <wrtlprnft> better look at armahacktron
17:27 <wrtlprnft> though you can't trust on armahacktron's way of doing things not having any negative side effects
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17:30  * z-man is playing the McDonalds flash game
17:30 <z-man> Where you have to cut down rainforests and bribe politicans :)
17:31 <philippeqc> o, can you cause obesities and blame it on lack of training?
17:31 <z-man> Looks like I'm currently profitable and sustainable.
17:32 <z-man> philippeqc: sure :)
17:32 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-214-219-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
17:32 <philippeqc> darn, that's a good game!
17:32 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-214-219-145.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit]
17:32 <z-man> www.mcvideogame.com
17:33 -!- Durka__ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-178-153.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
17:33 <Durka__> \o
17:34 <Durka__> wrtlprnft: :D ping
17:34 <wrtlprnft> Durka__: ;-D pong
17:34 <philippeqc> Durka__: pang
17:34 <Durka__> #kill philippeqc
17:34 <Durka__> >:D
17:34 <armabot> philippeqc will die on Sun Mar  9 18:07:51 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Durka__
17:35 <philippeqc> pfff, rumor of my death, and so on.
17:35 <Durka__> wrtlprnft: so how would I go about only displaying a specific server with http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php
17:35 <philippeqc> #slap Durka__ with a very large trout
17:35 <armabot> philippeqc slaps Durka__ with a very large trout for being a raving moron.
17:36 <Durka__> :(
17:36 <wrtlprnft> Durka__: parse the file.
17:36 <Durka__> wrtlprnft: I end up with all the server :P
17:36 <Durka__> servers*
17:36 <wrtlprnft> there's some script to parse it into a PHP array floating around
17:36 <wrtlprnft> then you have to add your own logic to filter a server :-P
17:37 <Durka__> wrtlprnft: I got dropped on my head as a baby ^^
17:37 <wrtlprnft> x_X
17:37 <philippeqc> repeatedly it seems!
17:37 <wrtlprnft> from the fourth floor.
17:37 <epsy> http://epsy46.free.fr/waitForExternalScript.patch
17:37 <epsy> hope it works, didn't test it
17:38 <philippeqc> while carriying a depleted uranium teddy bear
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17:38  * Durka__ pokes ghab
17:38 <epsy> made it from lastet trunk, also put french and english help messages
17:38 <philippeqc> wrt, strange, durka decided not to poke either of us.
17:39 <epsy> oh oops
17:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see
17:39 <Durka__> wrtlprnft: sorry for making you see this, but here's what I have so far
17:39  * wrtlprnft wonders why it's two settings
17:39 <Durka__> http://durkadurkaland.com/sb.php
17:39  * epsy let one of his own edits in both lang files
17:39 <Durka__> hopefully u didn't see the 'd0rkad0rkaland' part
17:39 <wrtlprnft> currently i don't see anything because it hangs
17:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 
17:39 <wrtlprnft> -config_value_changed		\1 changed from \2 to \3.\n
17:40 <wrtlprnft> +config_value_changed	
17:40 <wrtlprnft> err, indended?
17:40 <epsy> yeah that was "one of my own edits"
17:40 <Durka__> philippeqc: it's because only ghableska and vanhayes are both pilsbury dough boys
17:40 <philippeqc> o, ok then, no offense taken
17:41 <Durka__> wait a second
17:41 <Durka__> what time is it right now in germany?
17:41 <philippeqc> 17:43
17:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, refresh it :)
17:41 <wrtlprnft> Durka__: is that ed's server browser?
17:41 <Durka__> ish
17:42 <Durka__> it's using http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/parseserverxml.php.txt and part of ed's code
17:42 <Durka__> and i did some other things
17:42 <Durka__> and of course chose a nicer grid :P
17:42 <wrtlprnft> that's the code i was talking about
17:42 <epsy> grml, damned ftp
17:42 <Durka__> yes I know that was the code
17:43 <epsy> wrtlprnft, fixed
17:43 <wrtlprnft> Durka__: well, you probably have a for/foreach loop somewhere that iterates through the array
17:43 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i noticed, thanks
17:43 <Durka__> would I need to use like $_REQUEST or $_GET for the server?
17:43 <Durka__> and get rid of the ones for sort and asc/desc
17:44 <wrtlprnft> Durka__: so, before outputting a server you check whether some condition is true
17:44 <wrtlprnft> which can also involve $_REQUEST, of course
17:45 <Durka__> ok
17:45 <Durka__> #kill Durka__
17:45 <armabot> Durka__ will die on Sun Mar  9 18:18:19 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Durka__
17:45 <Durka__> fail
17:45 <wrtlprnft> suicide sucks.
17:45 <epsy> no no no, let me say it again
17:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:46 <epsy> You Phialed!
17:46 <epsy> :D
17:47 <philippeqc> hello epsidonial
17:47 <epsy> salut ph :)
17:48 <philippeqc> salut, ca va?
17:48 <epsy> ouais, et toi?
17:48 <philippeqc> ouais aussi
17:48 <epsy> quoi de neuf?
17:48 <philippeqc> je travaille sur zone v2
17:49 <philippeqc> je suis en train de faire un polynome qui est limite
17:49 <epsy> hehe :)
17:49 <philippeqc> C po facil!
17:49 <epsy> bah, vu que jme suis lancé sur bosser un peu sur arma, jvais essayer de faire un VOTES_PAUSE
17:49 <epsy> ou qqch comme ça
17:49 <pippijn> ?
17:49 <philippeqc> o wow
17:50 <philippeqc> oui pippijn ?
17:50 <pippijn> francois?
17:50 <pippijn> c+5
17:50 <ct|kyle> epsy: Do you have a set of settings for FFF?
17:50 <epsy> parce que là je commence à en avoir ras-le-bol des pollwars
17:50 <epsy> ct|kyle, RTFM!
17:50 <philippeqc> ouais, je comprend
17:50  * pippijn no parles francais (or somehting)
17:50 <pippijn> something
17:50 <philippeqc> tu vas faire ca en Ruby?
17:50 <epsy> ct|kyle, RTFR would be more convenient :)
17:51 <epsy> philippeqc, j'ai encore moins de connaissances en Ruby qu'en C++
17:51 <philippeqc> hi pippijn, we just exchanged a short description of our respective projects
17:51 <philippeqc> epsy, c'est la chance de changer ca
17:51 <epsy> ct|kyle, it's in the rules
17:51 <pippijn> ah
17:51 <epsy> hehe
17:51 <philippeqc> un truc comme ca, c'est un bon candidat pour Ruby
17:51 <ct|kyle> epsy: looked there guess i looked ovr it first time
17:51 <ct|kyle> over*
17:51 <philippeqc> ca devrais etre plus simple a faire comme ca , et donner la chance au admins de l'adapter a leur besoins
17:52 <epsy> ct|kyle, does this mean you didn't find it?
17:52 <ct|kyle> epsy: I found it, just not the first time i looked there
17:52 <philippeqc> pippijn: I'm updating zones v2 with a clamped polynomial. And epsy is doing a time lock for voting
17:52 <pippijn> philippeqc: excellent
17:52 <epsy> ct|kyle, alright, let me know if i missed anything
17:53 <ct|kyle> ok epsy you made my job adding it to bugfarm easy :D
17:53 <philippeqc> but darn that clamped polynomial are not natural
17:53 <epsy> ct|kyle, TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS 4 ;)
17:53 <ct|kyle> ya
17:54 <wrtlprnft> epsy: that code is crazy :x
17:54 <pippijn> philippeqc: clamped polynomials are the orthogonal sequential ones?
17:54 <epsy> wrtlprnft, it doesn't work? :|
17:54 <ct|kyle> SP_TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS 9
17:54 <ct|kyle> lol
17:54 <epsy> heh
17:54 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even compile, probably
17:54 <pippijn> philippeqc: appell?
17:55 <philippeqc> no, I mean that have a max and min value property, and will bound the equation in them irrelevantly
17:55 <epsy> wrtlprnft, that's what you get for asking that to someone who never touched C++ :þ
17:55 <wrtlprnft> meh.
17:55 <philippeqc> hard clamping
17:55 <philippeqc> rather than clamped as "converging toward a value"
17:56 <wrtlprnft> epsy: what about the COMMENCING_ROUND or whatever?
17:56 <pippijn> philippeqc: what mathematical basis do you use for this?
17:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, didn't do this one
17:56 <pippijn> philippeqc: and what are you going to use it for?
17:56 <philippeqc> none
17:57 <philippeqc> and it is for the monitor (zone v2 construct), that have a min max range. I use polynomial to allow for dead recconing, but some automatic boundaries must be enforced
17:58 <pippijn> hm..
17:58 <philippeqc> it means that the polynomial object evolves over time to respect its boundaries
18:04 <philippeqc> you dont seem convinced
18:04 <pippijn> I don't understand the theory behind it
18:05 <philippeqc> no theory
18:05 <philippeqc> just application
18:05 <pippijn> you must have some ideas, though
18:05 <pippijn> and that's the theory
18:05 <philippeqc> imagine a forteress type zone. Just not connected with "win on conquest"
18:05 <pippijn> okay
18:05 <philippeqc> you can make its value go from 0 to 1
18:06 <philippeqc> and back by leaving it
18:06 <philippeqc> connect the value of the zone with the position of another zone
18:07 <philippeqc> lets say this second zone will move along x, from 0 to 100 (value of the monitor*100)
18:07 <philippeqc> just recall that the monitor is an object that control the logic of the value of the fortress like zone
18:08 <philippeqc> so when you hop in the fortress, lets say that the monitor will grow at 0.25 / sec
18:08 <philippeqc> in 4 sec you get it to its max
18:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8296 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added WAIT_FOR_EXTERNAL_SCRIPT, a feature found in armahacktron that facilitates stdio scripting. Thanks epsy for isolating it from the rest of armahacktron
18:09 <philippeqc> the moving zone will move at 0.25*100/sec too
18:09 <wrtlprnft> epsy: rebuilding the binary, should be done soon
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18:10 <pippijn> ...
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18:10 <philippeqc> back
18:10  * pippijn is interested
18:11 <epsy> hm
18:11 <wrtlprnft> done.
18:11 <philippeqc> well, you want the monitor value to stop at 1 at 4 seconds. Making the second zone stop in its motion at pos 100
18:12 <philippeqc> so the first polynomial (the monitor value) at that time will go from 0.25/sec (0 + 0.25t) to being 1 (1 + 0t) as long as you are inside
18:12 <philippeqc> does it make sense?
18:13  * epsy isn't quite sure if the timeout works properly
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18:14 <pippijn> philippeqc: yes
18:14 <pippijn> makes sense
18:14 <philippeqc> good
18:15 <philippeqc> now the part that makes this hard, is that this example work great when all start at time 0
18:16 <philippeqc> but to represent the slope when you leave the fortress zone at time=5, and the fortress drops at a rate of -0.25/sec, you cant write (1-0.25t) as the polynomial.
18:16 <philippeqc> evaluate it at time=5, and it is already -0.25.
18:16 <philippeqc> There are many ways to deal with that.
18:17 <philippeqc> The one i choose is to move the origin to the new reference time
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18:18 <philippeqc> this way, it IS (1 - 0.25t), except that t is now (current time - 5)
18:21 <philippeqc> while this should have been a great idea (to change the reference time) as it allows for easy manipulation of the rate of change (+ or - 0.25), it is a pita when clamping kicks in.
18:26 <wrtlprnft> epsy: why?
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18:26 <wrtlprnft> i tested it with /admin…
18:26 <epsy> wrtlprnft?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> the timeout stuff
18:27 <epsy> well maybe it works better the way you did it
18:27 <wrtlprnft> your code didn't work at all
18:27  * epsy got the timeout to happen instantly
18:27 <wrtlprnft> err, three seconds
18:27 <wrtlprnft> try setting it to 10, it DOES delay the round
18:28 <epsy> i even tried with 5000, it still started in less than 1 second, anyway i sppose you did it in a better way :)
18:29 <wrtlprnft> you did set the other setting to 1, right?
18:29 <epsy> yes
18:29 <epsy> you tested your version, right?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:29 <epsy> it works?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> the one that's committed
18:30 <wrtlprnft> compiled as a dedicated server
18:30 <wrtlprnft> and connected to as localhost
18:30 <epsy> well then it's fine
18:30 <wrtlprnft> try just changing the settings manually
18:30 <wrtlprnft> maybe your script is borked
18:31  * epsy was using no script
18:31  * epsy 's code was just b0rked
18:31 <epsy> :)
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19:47 <epsy> does VOTING_SUSPEND and VOTING_UNSUSPEND sound ok to you?
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19:52 <K-Yo> .new
19:53 <K-Yo> ah
19:53 <K-Yo> #new
19:53 <epsy> well, feel free to change it, http://epsy46.free.fr/votingSuspend.patch <-- applies on lastet 0.2.8
19:53 <epsy> i also tested it :)
19:53 <epsy> K-Yo, tu cherches quoi?
19:59 <epsy> c'est toujours gentil de se prendre un vent :|
19:59 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/SSOAN/fortress/foolsfort-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by SSOAN
20:00  * epsy wonders why his IM client was closed
20:03 <K-Yo> #ss newbie
20:03 <armabot> K-Yo: Bugfarm Newbie Fortress: No online players
20:03 <epsy> #tea
20:03 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): A5417AkA, CT~Voodoo, hoop, metaz, ]-$teffen-[, ~|DS|~ Plage, ~|DS|~ slash, ~|DS|~G5, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ¦×¦ Hoax, °°H5 N1°°
20:03 <epsy> :)
20:03 <K-Yo> epsy, dsl g t parti ^^
20:03 <epsy> g vu :þ
20:03 <K-Yo> #help tea
20:03 <armabot> K-Yo: (tea <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "serverinfo cafe".
20:03 <K-Yo> #alias add new serverinfo newbie
20:04 <armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
20:04 <K-Yo> #new
20:04 <armabot> K-Yo: Bugfarm Newbie Fortress: Players (0/32):
20:04 <K-Yo> :D
20:04 <epsy> why not newb
20:04 <K-Yo> why newb?
20:04 <K-Yo> feel free to change ;)
20:04 <K-Yo> anyway I don't have the rights to lock ;)
20:05 <K-Yo> anyone for bugfarm clone?
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20:19 <epsy> K-Yo, pkoi tu vas pas sur café lol
20:21 <K-Yo> on a mis un script en place
20:21 <K-Yo> et on px changer le mode comme on veux
20:21 <epsy> changer fortress en un truc de merde , nn merce
20:21 <epsy> i
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20:22 <K-Yo> :p
20:22 <K-Yo> on px changer en fff, bugfarm, sumo... et cats et dogs
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20:28 <epsy> haha
20:28 <epsy> zmanuel, there?
21:04 <duudii> #sd cheers
21:04 <armabot> duudii: [] Cheers! [] The friendly server.: Players (12/12): >>U~<<, Angel, Held2(TM), Monkey, node7, saragei.EC|d, sot3x, The Wall, ULTRA, |BmK| FeKaJoE, ¦A¦lessandro, ¦×¦ Hoax
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21:24 <z-man> epsy: yeah, what's up
21:24 <epsy> ah
21:24  * epsy was about to post it on the forums :)
21:24 <epsy> can you commit something for me?
21:25 <epsy> http://epsy46.free.fr/votingSuspend.patch
21:25 <epsy> i had some free time and felt like doing that
21:25 <epsy> VOTING_SUSPEND [<time in mins>]
21:27 <z-man> Looks solid.
21:29 <z-man> How do you want to appear in AUTHORS.txt?
21:29 <epsy> oh, er, epsy will be enough
21:45 <z-man> Comitted to bzr, should appear in SVN any minute.
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21:47 <epsy> thx
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21:49 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8299 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Applied epsy's VOTING_SUSPEND patch.
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21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8300 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Small fix: made non-krawall compilation of epsy's patch work.
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8301 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gGame.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removed unused variable.
22:00 <Monkey_arma> Monkey calling Epsy...come in epsy
22:01 <Monkey_arma> Are you reading me...over....
22:03 <epsy> Monkey_arma, yes?
22:03 <Monkey_arma> we are playing NOW
22:03 <epsy> #ls hoax
22:03 <epsy> #lastseen hoax
22:03 <armabot> epsy: timed out
22:03 <armabot> epsy: ¦×¦ Hoax seems to be on [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. right now.
22:04 <epsy> er, in what server ?
22:04 <epsy> oh, forgot
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22:36 <K-Yo> epsy, I need to talk to cters that are in x fort
22:36 <K-Yo> x sumo
22:37 <K-Yo> #si o.s
22:37 <armabot> K-Yo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “o.s” at the moment, sorry.
22:37 <K-Yo> #si |x|
22:37 <armabot> K-Yo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “|x|” at the moment, sorry.
22:37 <K-Yo> #si .serv
22:37 <armabot> K-Yo: ¦×¦.Fortress.Server: Players (11/1): A5417AkA, CtxWoned, CT_emmy, CT|Tadd, hoop, Knus, Monkey, Slash, ¦×¦ Hoax, ¦×¦ Infamous, ¦×¦epsy
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22:48 <epsy> K-Yo, thank you very much for fucking up this game
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06:25 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: are you there?
06:34 <luke-jr_> what a day
06:34 <luke-jr_> laptop and router b0rk together!
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07:02 <spidey> dude
07:02 <spidey> WTF
07:02 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: now i am
07:02 <spidey> #ping
07:02 <armabot> pong
07:02 <spidey> dude
07:02 <Self_Destructo> say hi wrtlprnft
07:02 <Self_Destructo> oops, lol
07:02 <spidey> my isp is really, really fucked up
07:02 <Self_Destructo> use to the console
07:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: armabot is slow, though
07:03 <spidey> no, that's not what i mean
07:03 <spidey> it's almost like i'm being ddos'd...
07:04 <spidey> but i'm not because my ping isn't that bad when something does get out
07:04 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverdetails.php?name=xzl
07:05 <Self_Destructo> how are you picking out just one server from the list?
07:06 <wrtlprnft> argh, not again. Durka just asked me the same question yesterday
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07:06 <luke-jr_> lol
07:06 <Durka__> #slap wrtlprnft
07:06 <armabot> Durka__ slaps wrtlprnft for being a raving moron.
07:06 <wrtlprnft> /* no comment */
07:06 <Durka__> >:D
07:06 <Durka__> morning wrtl
07:07 <spidey> 	65.6.218.226 <-- what results does anyone get from that?
07:07 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: yeah, we are working on it now
07:07 <wrtlprnft> that script uses the database that's behind the serverlist.xml, so it can directly filter
07:07 <luke-jr_> btw, anyone else notice that 0.2.8 head doesn't connect to Wild West shooting CTF?
07:07 <Self_Destructo> i just wanted to know if you had any suggestions
07:07 <wrtlprnft> but you can just go through all servers and only print those that fulfil some condition
07:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: err, the trunk does
07:08 <luke-jr_> is Wild West trunk-only now?
07:08 <Self_Destructo> ok, so it's using $server['name'] and all the other variables?
07:08 <Self_Destructo> foreach ( $serverlist as $server ){
07:09 <wrtlprnft> yeah, exactly
07:09 <wrtlprnft> foreach ( $serverlist as $server ){
07:10 <wrtlprnft> if(! (some condition involving $server)) {
07:10 <Self_Destructo> has to be set on a condition, only to be parsed if there isn't a ?name=servername
07:10 <wrtlprnft> continue;
07:10 <wrtlprnft> }
07:10 <wrtlprnft> if(isset($_REQUEST['name']))
07:10 <wrtlprnft> tells you if there's a parameter named name to your script
07:10 <Self_Destructo> so, on that one particular script, using name=xzl it looks for a server that had 'xzl' in it?
07:11 <Self_Destructo> ok
07:11 <Durka__> wow this is actually making sense now :)
07:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah :-)
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07:12 <Self_Destructo> ok, good :) I think we can handle it a ways from here
07:12 <Self_Destructo> thanks
07:12 <spidey> i r sad =/
07:12 <wrtlprnft> yw
07:13 <wrtlprnft> meh, I hope luke-jr_ doesn't read this and tell me I should use rpc or SOAP or SHAMPOO or MAKEUP…
07:13 <spidey> haha
07:13 <Durka__> LOL!
07:13 <luke-jr_> get a clue wrtlprnft
07:13 <luke-jr_> SOAP is crap
07:13 <wrtlprnft> ah, really?
07:13 <luke-jr_> well
07:13 <luke-jr_> dunno
07:13 <luke-jr_> but it makes kmail take GBs of RAM to compile
07:13 <luke-jr_> >:O
07:14 <spidey> luke-jr_, wrtlprnft know any free dns servers?
07:15 <spidey> like opendns..
07:15 <luke-jr_> …
07:15 <spidey> like 4.2.2.3
07:15 <spidey> (i can't use that to resolve either)
07:15 <wrtlprnft> 4.2.2.1
07:16 <spidey> i'm actually suprised i managed to connect to irc -.-
07:16 <spidey> wrtlprnft, same for that..
07:16 <spidey> Pinging 4.2.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
07:16 <spidey> Request timed out.
07:16 <spidey> Request timed out.
07:16 <wrtlprnft> ol.
07:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: you want one that blocks Google specifically?
07:17 <spidey> luke-jr_, i can't even connect to google atm -.-
07:17 <spidey> luke-jr_, wrtlprnft 65.6.218.226   what's the reply from that?
07:18 <wrtlprnft> can't ping it
07:18 <luke-jr_> none
07:18 <wrtlprnft> what is that?
07:18 <spidey> see -.-
07:18 <spidey> i'm not even blocking icmp =/
07:18 <spidey> it's my ip...or so my modem says
07:18 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: is $server['name'] with or without color codes?
07:20 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: depends
07:20 <Self_Destructo> ...
07:20 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: the function that returns the server array takes a parameter whether to filter colors or not
07:21 <Self_Destructo> ok
07:21 <wrtlprnft> ereg_replace('0x......', '', $server['name']) gets rid of them, though
07:21 <Self_Destructo> ok
07:23 <Self_Destructo> ?stripcolors
07:23 <Self_Destructo> ?
07:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
07:26 <wrtlprnft> but you don't need to change the function itself
07:26 <Self_Destructo> function sabsi ($array, $index, $order='asc', $natsort=FALSE, $case_sensitive=FALSE) {
07:26 <wrtlprnft> sabsi?
07:26 <Self_Destructo> $serverlist = sabsi($serverlist, $sort, $ascdesc, true);
07:27 <Self_Destructo> it's the function written to sort the list
07:27 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
07:28 <wrtlprnft> but i think you'll want to filter the colors just for the condition checking.
07:28 <Self_Destructo> couldn't I just edit the function to only return the data I wanted without a lot of major coding/
07:28 <Self_Destructo> yeah
07:28 <wrtlprnft> if you have my server filter them for you you can't export them to html
07:29 <wrtlprnft> that foreach loop you pasted earlier
07:29 <Self_Destructo> yeah
07:29 <Self_Destructo> but, there would only be one server in the array sabsi() creates right?
07:30 <Self_Destructo> therefore, the data i wanted
07:30 <Self_Destructo> ?
07:30 <wrtlprnft> just do something like if(!eregi('pattern', ereg_replace('0x......', '', $server['name']))) continue
07:31 <Self_Destructo> ok
07:33 <wrtlprnft> g2g
07:34 <Self_Destructo> ok, cya
07:35 <spidey> that's it
07:35 <spidey> i'm switching to cable
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07:35 <spidey> their 10mb/1mb line is only $20 more than this 6mb/512kb anyways
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07:37 <spidey> oh, that's gay -.-
07:37 <spidey> can't even play hl2 ep1 :<
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08:59  * wrtlprnft just passed his driving test :-)
09:03 <luke-jr_> O.o
09:05 <wrtlprnft> be happy that you'll probably never meet me on the road
09:05 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
09:06 <wrtlprnft> *you probably won't ever. argh
09:06  * luke-jr_ notes both were just fine and correct English
09:06 <wrtlprnft> really?
09:06 <luke-jr_> yes
09:06 <wrtlprnft> ok then
09:07 <luke-jr_> obviously ignoring lack of capitalization on the start and punctuation on the end
09:07 <luke-jr_> but nobody cares about that
09:07 <wrtlprnft> the first one still looks somewhat weird to me. whatever
09:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah. you rarely see capitals outside of acronyms and smileys in here
09:07 <wrtlprnft> and nicks and references to them
09:08 <wrtlprnft> i don't think wild west is trunk-only, btw
09:08 <luke-jr_> well shooting CTF one was the other day
09:08 <luke-jr_> my PC is too *&#*% up right now to try again now
09:09 <wrtlprnft> let me build a 0.2.8 client
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09:14 <wrtlprnft> works just fine with me
09:14 <wrtlprnft> except that i get tons of lines on the floor again
09:14 <wrtlprnft> but that's a DEBUGLEVEL=3 thing
09:15 <luke-jr_> 0.2.8 HEAD?
09:18 <wrtlprnft> At revision 8301.
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09:27 <spidey_> well
09:27 <spidey_> that was weird
09:27 <spidey_> and i'm kinda scared to plug the router back in..
09:27 <spidey_> #ping
09:27 <armabot> pong
09:28 <spidey_> oh great...now it dies again -.-
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12:57 <+noob7> aloha, I am getting this weird "Server adress mismatch" error when trying to login via armathentication using an owner account with a remote authority (forums), here's the text: http://pastebin.ca/936382
12:57 <+noob7> any idea what might cause this?
13:10 <+P4> hmm maybe set SERVER_IP to your local IP
13:10 <+noob7> I've never used SERVER_IP before and the authentication worked before that... but ok I will try doing so
13:10 <+P4> what did you do so it stop working?
13:11 <+noob7> all servers emptied I think, but maybe someone else changed settings or something while I was sleeping :)
13:12 <+noob7> oh, and the servers are now sparked by a bash script again since they kept dying when they emptied when they ran straight from screen
13:15 <+noob7> set the server IP and now it works, I really wonder what was changed for this to happen, it worked perfectly yesterday :)
13:15 <+noob7> well thanks p4 :P
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16:10 <+P4> #42 http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8513033959684890536
16:10 <armabot> P4: http://42.pl/u/z2e
16:10 <+P4> oops, wrong channel
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16:22 <flex> hiya fellas.
16:23 <+P4> hi fallus :þ
16:23 <flex> weirdo
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17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8302 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Cleaned up a bit of the configuration recording and playback chaos. "Quit" console command is broken on playback currently in some situations.
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Silenced /msg chat no longer echoed to administrators and server console.
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18:36 <spidey_> so my problem is
18:36 <spidey_> the modem's borked
18:36 <spidey_> or so bellsouth says, i don't listen to tech support anyways
18:38 <flex> na, the internet is just down ;)
18:39 <flex> global outage
18:39 <spidey_> #ping
18:39 <armabot> pong
18:39 <spidey_> flex, liar
18:39 <flex> raly
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18:44 <z-man> oh noes, someone unplugged the internet!
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19:13 <Durka_> wtf is with this durka ______ shit
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19:14 <Durka_> -.-
19:14 <Hoax-> LOL!
19:15 <Durka_> Hoax-: LOL!
19:15 <Hoax-> :)
19:15 <Durka_> sup ed
19:16 <Hoax-> JJMJ
19:23 <epsy> /admin rename Durka_ D0rk4
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19:24 <D0rk4> :D
19:25 <epsy> :þ
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19:44 <+noob7> ok I am having some weird problems here, I set ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_REMOVE and ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_KICK both to 19, it seems as if unauthed users are still able to start polls
19:45 <+P4> #si -v dcat
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19:45 <armabot> P4: WILDCAT (62.75.166.226:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20080217 unix dedic, url: http://mastercontrolprogram.de, Description: “let's dance in style - let's dance for a while“, Players (8/8): -|w8m||egis--, <<|sonny|>>, noob7, OniCo|Grotesk, Raymbowned, RL4, white, |BDc|~Push
19:45 <+P4> heh, still older version :þ
19:45 <epsy> noob7, maybe use a correct install ? :þ
19:45 <epsy> P4, that's not that old
19:45 <+noob7> like installing it the way its supposed to be installed works epsy :P
19:45 <+P4> it doesn't support '-' in auth URL :þ
19:45 <+noob7> P4 cant use c-t login
19:45 <epsy> noob7, it does
19:46 <+noob7> because of that auth url stuff
19:46 <+noob7> hm need to do some fast shopping, brb
19:46 <epsy> because you're using a too old version?
19:46 <+P4> need to eat, smoke, meet friends, get hash and get back home :þ
19:46 <+P4> generally yes, epsy
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20:12 <+noob7> ok back
20:12 <+noob7> yes epsy, crazy-tronners authority is not supported because only a-z / A-Z / 0-9 are allowed names, crazy-tronners has a "-"
20:13 <+noob7> that is fixed in the newest version tho
20:13 <epsy> yesq
20:15 <+noob7> too bad we were installing 20080217 when 20080309 got online
20:15 <epsy> too bad you aren't using svn :|
20:19 <+noob7> :(
20:20 <epsy> z-man, when a player renames it changes nameFromClient_ and simply waits for next round for its UpdateName() to be called ?
20:20 <epsy> or does it work another way around?
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21:39 <epsy> nvm
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21:48  * epsy asks for some english formulation help
21:48 <epsy> « MrObvious isn't able to rename anymore. »
21:48 <epsy> does that sound fine?
21:48 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8303 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp): Manuel Moos: Disabling silly displaylist stats for the dedicated server.
21:53 <epsy> also, « MrObvious is allowed to rename again. »
21:56 <MaZuffeR> "is not allowed to rename anymore" would be better on the first one, i think
21:57 <+noob7> MrObvious? Oo
21:57 <epsy> random name :)
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22:01 <epsy> MaZuffeR, what about "MrOvious has been renamed to NewNick" ?
22:02 <MaZuffeR> sounds fine to me
22:02 <epsy> right
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22:03  * epsy wonders how to send a message to the author of his command
22:03  * epsy will try to send it to con and hope arma catches it
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8304 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gGame.cpp src/tron/gGame.h):
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: QUIT now also works in the 'waiting for players, only spectators online'
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: break.
22:14 <ct|kyle> epsy: PINGY
22:14 <epsy> ct|kyle, :|
22:15 <epsy> z-man, ah, good job :þ
22:15 <ct|kyle> what is x-clan forums link?
22:15 <epsy> xclan.armagetron.co.uk
22:15 <epsy> wasn't hard to find yourself
22:15 <ct|kyle> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Authentication_How_To
22:15 <ct|kyle> making that
22:15 <ct|kyle> though empty now
22:15 <epsy> but...
22:16 <ct|kyle> but what?
22:16 <epsy> i've already set up an auth serv with P4 on C-T.com
22:16 <ct|kyle> i know
22:16 <epsy> you mean on your different servers?
22:17 <ct|kyle> here
22:17 <epsy> here?
22:17 <ct|kyle> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Authentication_How_To
22:18 <epsy> maybe actually link them?
22:18 <+noob7> kyle there is http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Authentication_for_Players already
22:18 <ct|kyle> why can i never find stuff on wiki
22:18 <epsy> america ftl <3
22:18 <+noob7> well because the structure of the wiki sucks is my guess
22:19 <epsy> esp the default wiki theme which overuses semitransparent textures and fixed backgrounds, making it impossible to scroll on most browsers :|
22:20 <ct|kyle> the problem is i searched Authentication and it does not list relevant other pages it just takes me to the Authentication page
22:20 <+noob7> I searched for "armathentication" I think when epsy first mentioned it...
22:20 <epsy> ct|kyle, ah, that was aprt of the dev. section
22:20 <epsy> hehe
22:20 <epsy> ct|kyle, it was done at the time where everything were still drafts
22:21 <+noob7> maybe just redirect it to the new page?
22:21 <ct|kyle> ya it should search for all that contain authentication and give a page of them before just taking me to 1 page
22:22 <+noob7> thats a mediawiki settings I think
22:22 <+noob7> if theres an exact match for the search term it takes you to that page
22:22 <ct|kyle> i think so to because wikipedia does that
22:22 <ct|kyle> i mean wikiepedia usualy does not take me to a direct match
22:22 <epsy> ct|kyle, when you move a page it shows a list
22:23 <epsy> of pages which refer to the page you're moving
22:23 <+noob7> IF there is an exact match, wikipedia does the same thing
22:23 <epsy> most mediaWikis atm
22:25 <ct|kyle> well i guess i got to start spelling things off just slightly
22:27 <epsy> do some reformatting too, if you can :)
22:27  * ct|kyle goes off to look at the settings
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23:06 <epsy> X_x
23:06  * epsy gets his player renamed in the middle of the round
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00:53 <Hoax-> si sumo
00:53 <Hoax-> #si sumo
00:53 <armabot> Hoax-: Wild West  =Sumo=: Players (12/14): SNAFU, |SR|Shock, ~ A ~, ~ G ~, ~ K ~, ~ Q ~, ~ T ~, ~ U ~, ~ W ~, ~ X ~, ~ | ~, °·¹·²·³
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02:14 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8305 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated Mac OS X build instructions.
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8306 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Xcode changed something. armagetronad-dedicated is now explicitly known as
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: compiled.mach-o.executable filetype. Well done Xcode...
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8307 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: Added rakefile.rb and xcode.rake to project. Moved shared.xcconfig to MacOS
02:33 <armabot> armagetronad: group.
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05:28 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 24 normal]
05:28 <[dlh]> Having troubles building?
05:29 <Durka_> I downloaded and placed the libs into /Libraries/Frameworks
05:29 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 34 secs
05:29 <Durka_> and I checked out the trunk
05:29 <Durka_> and I don't exactly know what to do next
05:29 <Durka_> since I can't open project.pbxproj
05:29 <[dlh]> you have Xcode installed?
05:30 <Durka_> o
05:30 <Durka_> I forgot I got a new computer
05:30 <Durka_> I had it on my old laptop lol
05:30 <Durka_> x(
05:30 <[dlh]> Yeah, you'll definitely need Xcode :)
05:33 <Durka_> wow, this file is 1.1 GB :O
05:33 <Durka_> this will take a couple of hours :P
05:33 <Durka_> "29 minutes remaining" my ass ;)
05:33 <[dlh]> It should come on the install DVD with your computer also
05:33 <Durka_> I know
05:34 <Durka_> but this computer came with leopard
05:34 <Durka_> so I didn't bother
05:34 <Durka_> I should've installed it then
05:34 <Durka_> >.<
05:35 <Durka_> the download is going relatively fast though (I guess) I'm already at 88mb / 1.16 gb
05:35 <Durka_> :P
05:35 <Durka_> make it 96 :D
05:40 <Ttech> Durka_,  ;P
05:40 <Ttech> ;)
05:41 <Durka_> :D
05:51 <Ttech> bbl
05:52 <Durka_> 800/1000
05:53  * Ttech is enjyoing quotes from my networks quote book
05:53 <Ttech> *channel
05:57 <Ttech> 0.
05:57 <Ttech> 0
05:58 <[dlh]> #night
05:58 <armabot> Good night [dlh]!
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06:01 <Durka_> it said 29 minutes from 9:36
06:02 <Durka_> that would be one minute from now
06:02 <Durka_> it now says 10 sec remaining :P
06:02 <Durka_> done
06:02 <Durka_> wow exactly
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06:32 <Durka_> anyone home?
06:34 <antric> no
06:34 <Durka_> damn
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07:26 <antric> bougs!
07:32 <MrBougo> antric!
07:32 <MrBougo> heh, who are you? :p
07:32 <MrBougo> you must be...
07:32 <antric> you know who i am
07:32 <MrBougo> I KNEW IT
07:32 <MrBougo> well you're probly right
07:32 <MrBougo> but i don't know any "antric" guy
07:33 <antric> well, i've got you on my jabber list
07:33 <antric> ...except you never sign on anymore
07:33 <antric> Ant.
07:33 <MrBougo> who do I know in Canada
07:33 <MrBougo> jabber? i have no jabber :o
07:33 <MrBougo> i have (had) AIM, is that related?
07:33 <MrBougo> or was that ICQ? lol
07:33 <MrBougo> oh Ant :o
07:34 <MrBougo> yay!
07:34 <MrBougo> :D
07:34 <antric> mistabougs@*.com
07:34 <MrBougo> ayep
07:34 <MrBougo> right, i remember
07:34 <MrBougo> jabber, right :p
07:34 <MrBougo> oh wupsi
07:35 <MrBougo> must go to school now
07:35 <antric> heh. see ya
07:35 <MrBougo> have a nice day!
07:35 <antric> you too
07:35 <MrBougo> or more like night, no?
07:35 <MrBougo> yey, cya "tomorrow" maybe
07:35 <antric> later
07:36 <MrBougo> bye, guy from the past, enjoy my March 11
07:36 <MrBougo> hah
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Finite-State-Arg.aspx
15:36 <wrtlprnft> that one rocks!
15:36 <wrtlprnft> I actually like it :-D
15:37 <wrtlprnft> besides the reinventing the wheel thing and not exiting on curState == 0 it's a great piece of art
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17:24 <eddiefantastic> Hi, has anyone time to look for mistakes, breaks, or things missing from this page: http://eddie.plantpeanuts.co.uk/maptools/
17:31 <wrtlprnft> where's the generate CTWF style ultimate map button?
17:31 <wrtlprnft>    <label for="rotation">Decimal Places</label>
17:31 <wrtlprnft>    <input type="text" size="5" id="decplaces" name="decplaces" value="3" /><br/>
17:32 <wrtlprnft> that should be for="decplaces"
17:32 <eddiefantastic> ah, thx
17:32 <wrtlprnft> otherwise your focus goes to the wrong field if clicking the label :-)
17:33 <eddiefantastic> me n my cut and pastes
17:34 <epsy> hehe :)
17:34  * epsy is recognizing himself in that
17:36 <eddiefantastic> I didn't even know you could click the label to do to a field :S
17:36 <eddiefantastic> do=go
17:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, there's no way i can get a colored name from an ePlayerNetID, right?
17:37 <epsy> oh, nvm :)
17:40 <wrtlprnft> just << it into an ostream
17:41 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: few people know it, and too few website makers use the label tag
17:41  * wrtlprnft hates trying to hit check/radio boxes without an accociated label
17:42 <wrtlprnft> virtually OS GUIs allow you to just click on the label
17:42 <wrtlprnft> *virtually all
17:44 <epsy> wrtlprnft, using a tOutput for that purpose :)
17:45 <wrtlprnft> just do what the score messages do :P
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18:04 <epsy> meh
18:04 <epsy> how do i know if my ePlayerNetID is a bot?
18:06 <epsy> oh :)
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18:49 <spidey> #ping
18:49 <epsy> pong
18:49 <epsy> :|
18:49 <spidey> lol
18:49 <armabot> pong
18:49 <epsy> armabot is definitvely a blonde
18:50 <spidey> ;p;
18:50 <spidey> lol
18:50 <spidey> got my new modem today
18:50 <spidey> better than before, but i think most of this was on bellsouth's end
18:50 <spidey> because it's still sucking :O
18:51 <epsy> :|
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19:14 <epsy> hm, crap
19:15 <epsy> 	newName << tColoredString::ColorString( r/15.0, g/15.0, b/15.0 ) << name << tColoredString::ColorString( 1, 1, 1 );
19:16 <epsy> is there any better form than this?
19:17 <wrtlprnft>     tColoredString name;
19:17 <wrtlprnft>     name << *this << tColoredString::ColorString(1,1,1);
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that's what AddScore does
19:18 <epsy> well, it isn't *this (yet)
19:18 <wrtlprnft> *this being a ePlayerNetID
19:19 <wrtlprnft> you can just as well say *somePlayerNetIDYouGotFromSomewhereProbablyse_playerNetIDsOrSomePlayerMinusGreaterThanObjectOpeningBracketClosingBracket
19:19 <epsy> basically i'm throwing that to tOutput(), the return being put on the con, so the operator knows something happened
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19:20 <epsy> oh, and for info, i'm letting an operator rename someone
19:20  * wrtlprnft thinks the operator<< is different for tColoredString
19:21 <epsy> since the actual rename happens between rounds, i had to set a nameFromAdmin_, and edit ePlayerNetID::UpdateName()
19:22 <epsy> and since it only happens between rounds, this means the op would only know it minutes later, so i thought sending it a little message could be handy
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> oh
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> operator not being a c++ operator but an armathentication guy?
19:22 <epsy> yes :)
19:24  * wrtlprnft thinks you can rename someone right in the middle of a round
19:24 <epsy> yes, but that messes up everything
19:28 <wrtlprnft> what happens if you change a player's color on the fly, by the way
19:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if the clients accept the change
19:30 <epsy> i think yes, i remember seeing such things happening at round start on some very old servers
19:30 <wrtlprnft> there's no reason for them not to :-)
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19:30 <epsy> indeed, too :)
19:30 <wrtlprnft> anyways, I still don't get your problem
19:31 <epsy> i was just asking how crap was that line
19:31 <epsy> but knowing there would be no other way..
19:31 <wrtlprnft> not a lot if name doesn't yet belong to a player
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19:36 <wrtlprnft> the really sucky thing is that arma has at least 4 ways to represent colors
19:36 <epsy> and even more to looks for players :)
19:36 <epsy> *-s
19:39 <wrtlprnft> well, that's a good thing
19:39 <wrtlprnft> as long as they all accomplish different jobs
19:40 <epsy> and a way to confuse our server operator, too :-/
19:42 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:42 <wrtlprnft> the /msg, KICK, BAN, KILL stuff has been unified
19:43 <epsy> yes, hopefully
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19:45 <wrtlprnft> what do you mean?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> they use the same function
19:46 <epsy> there was a time they didn't, did they?
19:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:46 <wrtlprnft> not too long ago
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19:46 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work unified it when he did armathentication
19:47 <wrtlprnft> all hail z-man!
19:47  * epsy also found the old default instant chats in ePlayer.cpp :þ
19:47 <epsy> z-man-work*
19:47 <wrtlprnft> epsy: where would those be?
19:47 <+noob7> what would be the best place for me to post little things that bother me about the alpha client? some forums thread for it?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> noob7: what alpha client?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.3 or 0.3.1?
19:48 <epsy> wrtlprnft, or wait... the « only idiots write in colors » one is only in trun?
19:48 <epsy> k
19:48 <wrtlprnft> epsy: yeah
19:49 <epsy> ah, nvm then :P
19:49 <+noob7> 0.3.1 is beta right? :P but yes, the 0.2.8.3 one
19:50 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.1 isn't even alpha, technically
19:50 <wrtlprnft> noob7: then go to the release progress thread
19:51 <+noob7> ok, thanks :)
19:51 <epsy> ah, it seems to be fully working this time
19:51 <epsy> argh not that again
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20:11 <epsy> alright, that looks like working
20:20 <epsy> player_rename_rejected_admin  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffff [...]
20:20 <madmax> wrtlprnft: that thing seems to work without being logged too
20:20 <epsy> anyone with a good english could help me ? :þ
20:21 <wrtlprnft> madmax: eww.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: with what?
20:21  * wrtlprnft is not claiming to be good at english
20:22 <epsy> wrtlprnft, player_rename_rejected in a 'you got banned from doing this by admin' fashion
20:23 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with your first suggestion?
20:24 <epsy> " [...] " ?
20:24 <wrtlprnft> on admin/moderator order?
20:25 <epsy> we will need a term for this 'admin/moderator' thing :/
20:25 <epsy> currently we're just saying 'Administrator' everywhere, as if other access levels didn't exist
20:26  * epsy suggests Server Operator
20:30 <+noob7> just call it "Server settings" ? more abstract and fits, because the owner chooses his "settings" and these "settings" then restrict renaming and such?
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 		if ( !p->GetAccessLevel() > se_shuffleUpAccessLevel )
20:30  * wrtlprnft hits wrtlprnft 
20:31 <+noob7> as in "The server settings restrict your ability to change your nickname"
20:31 <epsy> noob7, we are restricting a single player there
20:31 <+noob7> yes, just he gets the nessage?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> epsy: just read the access level for your FORCE_RENAME command
20:32 <+noob7> just an idea :)
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20:32 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ah, how do i know who did that?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> who cares
20:32 <epsy> haha
20:32 <wrtlprnft> an administrator is also a moderator.
20:34 <epsy> player_rename_rejected_admin    \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffff, as it's name was locked by the administrator.\n
20:34 <Bougo> #ping
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8308 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:
20:34 <armabot> pong
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Actually make ACCESS_LEVEL_SHUFFLE_UP work...
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Don't look at the error, and if you do, please don't remember that I ever did such a stupid mistake.
20:35 <epsy> you forced me to look at it, wrtlprnft :-P
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20:48 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8309 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): more helpful "you can't shuffle up" message
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21:05 <epsy> http://82.227.65.72:4539/%7Eepsy/rename.patch
21:05 <epsy>  * RENAME <player_to_rename> <new name>
21:05 <epsy>  * ALLOW_RENAME_PLAYER <player>
21:06 <epsy>  * DISALLOW_RENAME_PLAYER <player>
21:13 <luke-jr_> -static tSettingItem<bool> se_enaChat("ENABLE_CHAT", se_enableChat);
21:13 <luke-jr_> +static tSettingItem< bool > se_enaChat("ENABLE_CHAT", se_enableChat);
21:13 <luke-jr_> epsy: why?
21:14 <epsy> luke-jr_, they all looked like that in the context
21:14 <epsy> just a typo if you like
21:14 <luke-jr_> what does that have to do with renaming? O.o
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21:26 <epsy> luke-jr_, nothing, i was just thinking of putting sth there and seen that
21:26 <wrtlprnft> epsy: -player_rename_rejected  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffffright now to avoid confusion with kick votes.\n
21:26 <wrtlprnft> that's far more interesting
21:27 <luke-jr_> epsy: clean patches are nicer
21:27 <wrtlprnft> looks like copy,paste and edit without the paste
21:27 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:27 <epsy> wrtlprnft, move it to player_rename_rejected_votekick
21:27 <epsy> *moved
21:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i noticed
21:28 <wrtlprnft> as long as it's not translated…
21:28 <wrtlprnft> better ask z-man for confirmation, though.
21:28 <epsy> i didn't edit translation files
21:29 <z-man> not even the french one?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad3/branch/language/deutsch.txt:player_rename_rejected        \1 0xffffffdarf sich nicht in \2 0xffffffumbenennen, das k�nnte die Abstimmenden verwirren.\n
21:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad3/branch/language/english_base.txt:player_rename_rejected  \1 0xffffffis not allowed to rename to \2 0xffffffright now to avoid confusion with kick votes.\n
21:30 <epsy> well i can just move them in all languages if you prefer
21:30 <wrtlprnft> all languages = english and german
21:30 <epsy> in all languages we currently have* :)
21:32  * wrtlprnft wonders what one could use that command for
21:32 <z-man> Ah, yes, if you rename a language item, you should edit all language files we have and make the change.
21:32 <wrtlprnft> if someone has an offensive nick just kick them after a warning
21:32 <z-man> Otherwise, the translators would think they'd need to translate it again.
21:32 <epsy> z-man, ok, i'ill moce them and update the patch
21:33 <epsy> *move
21:38 <z-man> epsy: No tabs, please :)
21:38 <epsy> updated, but only deutsch.txt had it
21:38 <z-man> And usually, all our functions start with an uppercase letter.
21:38 <epsy> z-man, argh, where did i put one ?
21:39 <z-man> lots of places
21:39 <z-man> says KWrite, anyway.
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21:42 <epsy> hm, 8 spaces in gVim always gives tabs when auto-indenting
21:48 <epsy> ok, done reindenting and changed bool ePlayerNetID::isAllowedToRename ( void ) to bool ePlayerNetID::IsAllowedToRename ( void )
21:49 <z-man> Thanks, I'll look at the logic a bit.
21:50 <z-man> Do you want to apply for svn/bzr commit rights? :)
21:50 <epsy> i'd prefer to know how to prevent vim from putting Tabs first :P
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21:54  * wrtlprnft just got autokicked from café for issuing too many command votes that got rejected
21:54 <wrtlprnft> who in their right mind rejects /vote command say hi?
21:55 <epsy> it's like half can't vote for such polls i noticed
21:55 <epsy> some say, 'hey i voted for it' but i never seen their vote being announced
21:55 <+noob7> hi
21:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: :h tabs
21:55 <wrtlprnft> probably
21:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, found that http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=12
21:56 <wrtlprnft> :set ts=100 softtabstop=4 works
21:57 <wrtlprnft> expandtab works, too, but it's boring :-P
21:58 <wrtlprnft> if we ever decide to use astyle again I vote for using tabs for indentation, spaces for everything else
22:00 <epsy> z-man, ok, can we carry this on tomorrow ?
22:01 <z-man> epsy: sure. OK if I apply your patch already?
22:02 <epsy> ok
22:10 <luke-jr_> @@ -3482,8 +3482,8 @@
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22:12 <epsy> luke-jr_, if i had a clue about that one :þ
22:12 <luke-jr_> epsy: svn diff -x -ubB
22:12 <epsy> spaces on an empty line i see
22:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man leaves tons of these now that astyle is out of buisness :-(
22:14 <z-man> Sorry ;)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> no problem. It just makes me wonder whether to remove them if I see them or not
22:15 <z-man> Feel free to do so. I just leave them because my emacses don't show them.
22:16  * wrtlprnft 's vim highlights tabs and trailing whitespace
22:16 <wrtlprnft> which means I can program in the whitespace language if I want
22:16 <z-man> The brainfuck clone?
22:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah :-)
22:18 <epsy> tired, cya
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22:20 <epsy> wrtlprnft, 21 Teams are registered to TST
22:20 <epsy> feel free to register the 22nd
22:22 <luke-jr_> epsy: can I register the 22nd?
22:23 <epsy> anyone is free to register a team as long as it's a 'serious' team
22:23 <luke-jr_> define serious
22:23 <epsy> ('serious' = not registering just for registering, bring two players :) )
22:23 <luke-jr_> so no-man teams aren't allowed?
22:24 <luke-jr_> that's discrimination! >:O
22:24 <epsy> as standed in the rules, a team consists of 2 players
22:24 <luke-jr_> -.-
22:24 <luke-jr_> discrimination‼
22:24 <epsy> well i can't prevent you from registerign with someone that finally wont play, but that's your problem
22:25 <luke-jr_> wait
22:25 <luke-jr_> I can't even register a team I'm not part of⁈
22:25 <epsy> i also can't prevent myself from doing tons of typos
22:25 <epsy> luke-jr_, no
22:25 <luke-jr_> -.-
22:26 <epsy> you can still go 'hey who wants to be my TST partner ?!'
22:28 <luke-jr_> I don't want to play tho
22:28 <luke-jr_> I just wanted to register a team
22:28 <epsy> that wouldn't be 'serious' :)
22:28 <luke-jr_> >.>
22:33 <epsy> right, good night
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23:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8310 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Applied epsy's name forcing patch with minor adaptions.
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8311 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: No more double "not allowed to rename" messages.
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Immediate response to admin player rename is "player will be renamed".
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00:45 <Durka_> oO
00:45 <hoop_tron> hi
00:45 <Durka_> C : P
00:46 <hoop_tron> C:þ
00:46 <spidey> bellsouth is a group of cock suckers.
00:46 <Durka_> spidey's ISP ftl
00:46 <spidey> dude
00:46 <spidey> here's what happened
00:46 <hoop_tron> ehm, did anybody ever write documentation about arma source code?
00:47 <spidey> i've been having net problems for 2 days now, so i called them, they connected and said it was because of a defunct modem
00:47 <spidey> so i order a new one, $69 that i don't have
00:47 <spidey> i get the modem this morning...same fucking problems!
00:47 <+noob7> spidey just tell em to fuck off and get a new ISP and a contract sponsored modem? :)
00:47 <spidey> they swear there's nothing wrong on their end, so i just got back from charter, we're getting a 1mb down/1mb up cable connection tomorrow
00:48 <+noob7> haha there ya go :)
00:48 <spidey> 'er
00:48 <spidey> 10mb down/1mb up
00:48 <spidey> that + the phone is about $30 cheaper than bellsouth anyways, and i had charter about 2 years before dsl, never had a problem with them
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01:17 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:17 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 50.4°F (7:19 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Rising).
01:18 <+noob7> spidey how much is a 10/1 mb line including phone for you?
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02:26 <spidey> noob7_away, $80
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02:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: I'd get 12/2 for that
02:33 <luke-jr_> heck, I have 12/2 for the $42/mo I pay
02:33 <luke-jr_> no clue why, it's supposed to be 7/1
02:33 <spidey> well
02:33 <spidey> 10/1 is $59/mo
02:33 <spidey> $39 for the first 6 months
02:33 <spidey> it's $80 because of the phone too
02:33 <spidey> we're changing everything over
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04:23 <v1jok3r> Anyone on?
04:23 <v1jok3r> o.o guess not.
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06:19 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: are you here?
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06:35 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: you there?
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07:26 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: now I am
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11:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8312 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/config/settings_authentication.cfg: Add new default settings to settings_authentication.cfg
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17:00 <epsy> eddiefantastic, z-man: http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions.php?c=2401
17:02 <z-man> Good to see Legit has found a partner :)
17:02 <epsy> haha :þ
17:03 <z-man> Or is that a placeholder?
17:03 <StickyNoob> what day is it on?
17:03 <epsy> there was a very few amount of players who signed up for 20:45
17:03 <epsy> z-man, no, ~ X ~ is the guy who sometimes comes here as xfroggy
17:03 <epsy> StickyNoob, the 16th
17:03 <z-man> ah.
17:04  * z-man hates it when people have different names on IRC, forum and in the game.
17:04 <StickyNoob> hmm could put myself up as a last resort partner if someones desperate
17:05 <epsy> StickyNoob, there's the 'first 5 minutes rule'
17:05 <eddiefantastic> epsy: this Sunday huh?
17:05 <epsy> eddiefantastic, yes
17:05 <eddiefantastic> Hey, I could play
17:06 <epsy> :\/
17:06 <eddiefantastic> anyone want to be my partner starting at 20:30?
17:06 <eddiefantastic> *20:45
17:07 <epsy> eddiefantastic, registration was supposed to end yesterday
17:07 <eddiefantastic> oh
17:07 <epsy> eddiefantastic, but, i got some free time
17:08 <eddiefantastic> stick me down with voodoo, he said he could play
17:08 <epsy> eddiefantastic, ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server, node7's or Z-man's ?
17:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8314 /tools/map-preview-js/map-preview.js: make walls a polyline and not a polygon. I'm surprised I never noticed this before.
17:08 <eddiefantastic> node7?
17:09 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: you want to play with me?
17:09 <epsy> noob7_away, ping
17:09 <epsy> bah, he's on his bouncer
17:09 <eddiefantastic> z-man's I guess
17:09 <eddiefantastic> who is TOK?
17:09 <epsy> no clue
17:10 <eddiefantastic> hmm, could be a bad thing. error's pretty good
17:10 <eddiefantastic> maybe I'll take x server
17:10 <epsy> kk
17:10 <eddiefantastic> what's happening with server admins this time?
17:11 <epsy> do you have someone to delegate the admin of your server or..?
17:11 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: play where?
17:11 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen ed
17:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: EDU seems to be on Norm's Place right now.
17:11 <eddiefantastic> in the tst on sun
17:11 <wrtlprnft> ooh
17:11 <wrtlprnft> sure!
17:11 <eddiefantastic> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions.php?c=2401
17:12 <eddiefantastic> in z-mans server at 20:45 ok?
17:12 <eddiefantastic> sry, x swerver
17:12 <epsy> basically you could admin your serv at 20:00, then jump in ¦×¦.Serv to play, while delegating admin to someone else
17:12 <eddiefantastic> I'm not around at 20:00, those kids of mine still want stories
17:12 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:13 <wrtlprnft> sure, why not?
17:13 <epsy> eddiefantastic: oh, ok, do you have a server admin other than you then?
17:13 <eddiefantastic> epsy: you are playing on mine at 20:00, you want it?
17:14 <epsy> ok, i could do that
17:15 <eddiefantastic> epsy if you win round 1 you are still there, if you lose can you admin it instead?
17:16 <epsy> right, i can do that
17:16 <eddiefantastic> thx
17:16  * wrtlprnft can always admin ¦x¦
17:17  * epsy is thinking about some kind of USER_LEVEL_WILDTOKEN *@tststaff
17:18 <wrtlprnft> WILDTOKEN doesn't exist yet, right?
17:18 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ah, next time you have to convert it from fort/sumo or vice versa, just include fort.cfg or sumo.cfg
17:18 <epsy> no
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17:18 <eddiefantastic> what's the procedure to set up an armathenticating server?
17:19 <epsy> --enable-armathentication at ./configure time will do it on a recent 0.2.8
17:19 <wrtlprnft> and GLOBAL_ID 1
17:19 <z-man> Yep. You should also get and install ZThread before that, so logins can be immediate.
17:19 <epsy> wrtlprnft, <lukemode>armathentication still works without it</lukemode>
17:20 <wrtlprnft> epsy: armathentication doesn't do anything if you don't change *some* setting from its default
17:20 <wrtlprnft> it just leaves your server crippled because ADMIN_PASS will cease to exist
17:20 <z-man> If you're on a GCC 4.X system, there's a patch on the forum that fixes the errors.
17:20  * epsy was talking about local user accounts
17:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: you need to set those up
17:21 <z-man> yay for pointless nitpick wars
17:21 <epsy> :þ
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
17:22 <StickyNoob> surely that should be nit-pick
17:22 <wrtlprnft> like picking a knitter?
17:24 <epsy> wrtlprnft, eddiefantastic: emails or no confirm mails?
17:27 <wrtlprnft> can't hurt.
17:29 <wrtlprnft> you can generate an e-mail address to reach me under by taking my IRC nickname, appending the character with the ASCII number 64, appending my nick again, a dot and the TLD of Germany
17:29 <wrtlprnft> let's see you spambots crack this address :-P
17:29 <epsy> i am not quite sure, do you mean this:
17:29 <epsy> :P
17:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's correct.
17:31  * luke-jr_ suggests if armathentication is config-disabled, restore the old admin_pass
17:31 <spidey> GED Score - 548
17:31 <spidey> writing - 480
17:31 <spidey> social studies - 550
17:31 <spidey> science - 590
17:31 <spidey> reading - 600
17:31 <spidey> math - 520
17:31 <spidey> ;D
17:31 <spidey> 600 is as high as you can get
17:32 <epsy> wrtlprnft, your website hurts X_x
17:32  * epsy guesses wrtlprnft.ath.cx is a cleaner remake of it :þ
17:33 <wrtlprnft> it was modern when it was made
17:33 <epsy> that's what i guessed :)
17:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.de/flaggen.htm is the most interesting thing hosted on it
17:36  * eddiefantastic wonders why the Welsh flah never made it :(
17:36 <eddiefantastic> *flag
17:37 <wrtlprnft> feel free to make one
17:37 <wrtlprnft> but these days I'd just use SVG
17:37 <wrtlprnft> or use the SVGs on wikipedia
17:37 <eddiefantastic> http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/politicalgifts_1990_7224289 you have a go ;)
17:37 <wrtlprnft> i know how it looks
17:38 <wrtlprnft> i only made flags that didn't have anything too complicated on them
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18:25 <epsy> K-Yo, ton email a pas marché
18:37 <flex> wrtlprnft, on the subject of shuffling up. would it solve most common arguments/issues if you were only allowed to shuffle up one position?
18:38 <flex> ofcourse you could tweak that to, say registerd and none registered
18:45 <K-Yo> epsy, key3113@yahoo.fr ?
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18:47 <jkhjkghjkg> hi
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18:47 <epsy> K-Yo, key_3113@yahoo.com
18:48 <z-man-work> flex: you could shuffle up one position at a time repeatedly.
18:48 <jkhjkghjkg> mj
18:48 <K-Yo> nan c'est .fr
18:48 <jkhjkghjkg> yay vb6 rules
18:48 <epsy> ady666, jkhjkghjkg: you could perhaps only use one client ? :)
18:48 <epsy> K-Yo, ..
18:48 <jkhjkghjkg> im testing the irc codes for the online players thing
18:48 <z-man-work> nowai! /me uses up to three at a time./
18:48 <jkhjkghjkg> i'lkl make it a multitool like _:P
18:48 <K-Yo> epsy, dsl ^^
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18:51 <epsy> envoyé
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18:53 <adutewhnub> someone say something
18:53 <flex> z-man-work, good point lol.
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18:54 <adutewhnub> #ping
18:54 <armabot> pong
18:54 <flex> but it would solve major shuffle ups from say 8 to 1, would be much more friendly if the guy goes from 8 to 1 in say 7-8 rounds.
18:54 <adutewhnub> #ping
18:54 <armabot> pong
18:55 <ady666> hm
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18:58 <adyvb6test> epsy u know some vb6 programming?
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18:59 <epsy> ady666, vb as in virtual basic?
19:01 <ady666> yes
19:01 <epsy> no
19:01 <ady666> hm
19:01 <ady666> hav u checkd the weird app i ve uploaded?
19:02 <epsy> i don't have windows
19:02 <ady666> :(
19:02 <epsy> and since vb isn't working on anything else than windows, i'd wonder why i'd be using it
19:02 <ady666> well im trying to add an option to connect to this chatroom and chat here from the app,apart of having the armabell plugins,online players and i will have to do the server browser but that'd be a headache coz the data is so,so unformatted..
19:03 <ady666> armabell did work on unix?
19:03 <epsy> armabell was a windows app
19:03 <ady666> same as this then :(
19:03 <ady666> well but the codes are there so anyone can 'translate it'
19:03  * epsy wonders if it's possible to get XQF to work with arma
19:03 <ady666> sure u re 15?
19:04 <epsy> ady666, port it you mean?
19:04 <ady666> yeah
19:04 <ady666> its just changing statements' format
19:05 <epsy> ady666, so what you want is an irc client with a bundled server browser?
19:05 <ady666> no.
19:05 <epsy> ady666, that would be easy in a 10 lines long file
19:06 <ady666> i want to make an app,which shows the list of online players, of online servers, irc to here and armabell plugins,basically
19:06 <ady666> and with it you can search players or buddys,prbbaly,it gives me some errors for now
19:06 <epsy> so you want such a 'quickstart' app for arma?
19:06 <ady666> kind of
19:07 <ady666> any idea on how to get the servers&players on it formatted to normal text,not using a php?
19:07 <ady666> im using this http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/parseserverxml.php
19:07 <epsy> parse it with an xml parser?
19:07 <epsy> i think the should be one with vb
19:07 <epsy> there*
19:08  * ady666 never worked with xml
19:08 <ady666> :S
19:08 <epsy> ady666, did you ever do DOM/javascript ?
19:08 <ady666> i did java
19:08 <epsy> or ECMAScript, whatever :)
19:08 <epsy> java or javascript
19:08 <ady666> java,php
19:09 <epsy> so you never did stuff with DOM?
19:09 <ady666> nope
19:10 <ady666> thats why its kindof hard to make this serverlist stuff
19:10 <ady666> ;)
19:10 <epsy> well, try reading from wrtl's list.js
19:10 <ady666> i could simply use a web applet to show x's server browser or any,but if it goes offline,what
19:10 <epsy> normally, and i say normally, the method names should be the same
19:11 <epsy> because they are defined in the DOM standart
19:11 <epsy> try to look on msdn, they should have some ref about how to use XML in VB
19:13 <ady666> duh,thats like chinese to me, ive looked at it before
19:14 <ady666> and as i get the website body into a textbox, i need to reformat it to get rid if the gt;,lt; etc, so itloses practically all
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19:26 <poop> #ping
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21:48 <z-man> wrtlprnft: you know that "don't look at this" is about the only thing that forces me to look at a patch? :)
21:49 <wrtlprnft> x_X
21:49 <deja_vu> xD
21:50 <wrtlprnft> that's why I added the “if you do” clause
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21:55 <wrtlprnft> i hate you armabot!
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22:39 <z-man> Yeah, she misses all the important patches.
22:50  * wrtlprnft blames it on the cia bot in #commits being too busy
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23:40 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: torres now has a -n switch for "no warnings"
23:40 <pippijn> or at least no extra ones
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23:47 <wrtlprnft> torres: {unsigned i; i < 0;}
23:47 <torres> comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always false
23:47 <wrtlprnft> torres: -n {unsigned i; i < 0;}
23:47 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
23:47 <wrtlprnft> ah

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00:27 <fonkay> Who's got IP help for me?
00:28 <fonkay> proxy servers?
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00:32 <fonkay> nothing?
00:32 <fonkay> Hello?
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00:37 <fonkay> bollucks
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00:38 <K-Yo> fonkay, what u need?
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00:50 <fonkay> I need to pretend I'm american
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00:57 <K-Yo> ok
00:57 <K-Yo> have fun doing so then ;)
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01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
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01:07 <ady|ATool> test
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01:09 <adt|ATool> bumbox
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01:09 <ady666> sry for teh spam
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04:21 <Ricco> is luke-jr posting random bible quotes as he is in #politics and other channels here?
04:22 <ct|kyle> no
04:22 <Ricco> ct|kyle, perhaps he is doing it in #politics cause it is a a no kick no ban environment
04:22 <ct|kyle> probably
04:23 <ct|kyle> Ricco: i bet he uses godtube
04:23 <Ricco> ct|kyle, do you get a lot of protestant christian prstelytiszing here from him or his bot
04:24 <Ricco> he has been prostelytizing in many of the channels that I have visited, even channels on linux having nothing to do with religion
04:24 <ct|kyle> Ricco: i think we banned his bot
04:24 <ct|kyle> we just simply make fun of him. and prove him wrong
04:24 <Ricco> ct|kyle, might waant to ban luke-jr  and luke-jr_  too. he is using those mnicks to prostelytize in other channels
04:25 <ct|kyle> Ricco: he is sort of an armagetron developer
04:25 <Ricco> i have no idea what that is
04:25 <Ricco> some kind of computer game?
04:25 <ct|kyle> ya
04:25 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: lol, you're actually talking to the troll
04:25 <Ricco> ah! armegedom based?
04:26 <Ricco> protestant christian end of the world stuff?
04:26 <ct|kyle> tron based
04:26 <luke-jr_> lol
04:26 <Ricco> ct|kyle, sorry, not a computer gamer myself.
04:26 <Ricco> ct|kyle, but I understand that they are very ppular
04:27  * luke-jr_ heard they were unpopular
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, heck, most people I talk to use their computers almost exclusively for games
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, world of warcraft seems to be a hot game
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, i am a historian that works for a NT scholar. so I am more into the study of history, than game stuff
04:27 <ct|kyle> ya i only play armagetron
04:28 <luke-jr_> z-man-work: wrtlprnft guru3
04:28 <Ricco> TheBibleGeek.org is where he does his thing
04:28 <Ricco> I think it is cool that an actual bible scholar will take questions from the internet community
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04:28 <luke-jr_> I think it's stupid to call atheists "bible scholar"s
04:28 <Ricco> ct|kyle, so often you have so much kook stuff out there, people don't have a clue where to turn to actualy check things out
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04:29 <Ricco> ct|kyle, so often you have so much kook stuff out there, people don't have a clue where to turn to actualy check things out
04:29 <luke-jr_> I think it's stupid to call atheists "bible scholar"s
04:29 <Ricco> ct|kyle, i like that that scholar takes questions from the public
04:30 <Ricco> ct|kyle, too often you get kook groups saying this and that, and even if the general public were interested in trying to get info on the issues they really can't
04:30 <ct|kyle> luke-jr_: I think it is stupid to over infuses astronomy and follow a religion based on it
04:30 <Ricco> ct|kyle, although, most people really don't care about those kinds of things
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, most people really don;t care about religion
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, if they are involved in it at all, they are involved in a social thing in their community or such
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, like being a boy scout when you are a kid, or playing little league
04:31 <Ricco> it just something people in socoety do
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05:06 <Ricco> ct|kyle, well, it is good for you to just keep in mine TheBibleGeek.org if you have to deal with luke-jr daily
05:06 <Ricco> ct|kyle, anyone like that that would auto generate bible servers into #politics is probably selling some kook religion idea regularly
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05:07 <Ricco> ct|kyle, it's good to have access to an actual religious scholar to have access to if you ever actually had a religious question; TheBibleGeek.org
05:07 <Ricco> cheers
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05:08 <vorian> laters :)
05:08 <vorian> be good :)
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15:03 <Ttech> ping
15:11 <luke-jr_> …
15:15 <spidey> pong
15:15 <spidey> man
15:15 <spidey> where do you live, asia? that was a 11 minute delay!
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15:43 <ADy|ATool> #ping
15:43 <armabot> pong
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15:49 <ADy|ATool> hi bougo
15:49 <MrBougo> hai ADy
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hi ADy|ATool
15:50 <ADy|ATool> lol hi ed
15:50 <MrBougo> hi eddiefantastic
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hi MrBougo Sir
15:50 <MrBougo> yay we did it
15:50 <MrBougo> cross-hi was a success
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hell yeah!
15:50 <ADy|ATool> well i took durka's screenshot now i will quit
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16:36 <z-man-work> yay, /me got a new 1920x1200 monitor at work
16:38 <z-man-work> Oy, and the graphics card got upgraded from NVidia 5200 to 7600
16:38 <z-man-work> GT, even.
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16:40  * z-man-work ponders about installing Doom3
16:41 <wrtlprnft> sweet
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #g 1920*1200/1280/800
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((1,920 * 1,200) / 1,280) / 800 = 2.25
16:41 <wrtlprnft> meh. more than two times the number of pixels of mine
16:42 <z-man-work> apparently, it's also a DualCore CPU now: model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
16:42  * z-man-work is stuck with 1280x1024 at home
16:43 <z-man-work> Not too bad as it saves GPU power for fancy shaders, though.
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17:20 <kidd> hi
17:20 <wrtlprnft> hi
17:20 <pippijn> hi
17:20 <ct|kyle> hi
17:21 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/strint.cc.txt
17:24 <wrtlprnft> wah.
17:27 <pippijn> :]
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17:46 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how can I do this:
17:46 <pippijn> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; exec (A ()); }
17:46 <torres> no matching function for call to 'exec(main()::A)'
17:47 <epsy> hm
17:47 <epsy> IP mismatch ... only difference is port
17:48 <epsy> my client sends the connection port, the server compares it to the port it's using for syncing
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft: weird…
18:10 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: any idea?
18:16 <z-man-work>  torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; exec (a); }
18:16 <z-man-work>  torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:17 <z-man-work> wake up, torres!
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18:21 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void E(T const & fn) { fn (); } struct A { void operator ()() const { cout << "here"; } }; int main(){ E(A()); }
18:21 <torres> here
18:22 <z-man-work> Apparently, it didn't like the fact that A was delared local to main().
18:23 <pippijn> z-man-work: no kidding..
18:23 <pippijn> z-man-work: now, how do I get it to work with local structs?
18:24 <z-man-work> Beats me :) Study the weird chapters of the standard dealing with lookup rules :)
18:24 <pippijn> seems to be undefined
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18:25 <z-man-work> Nah, that can't be. Lookup rules need to be well defined.
18:25 <z-man-work>  torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:25 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void E(T const & fn) { fn (); } struct A { void operator ()() const { cout << "here"; } }; int main(){ E(A()); }
18:25 <torres> here
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18:26 <z-man-work>  torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator const () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
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18:26 <z-man-work>  torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:26 <z-man-work> Shouldn't there be at least some kind of feedback?
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18:28 <z-man-work> "Currently, classes can be declared and defined at block scope, but these classes and their member functions have no linkage, which prohibits their use as template arguments."
18:29 <z-man-work> From http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2002/n1353.html
18:29 <z-man-work> Which means, you're basically screwed.
18:30 <z-man-work> Unless you define a non-templated interface your local class inherits from.
18:32 <pippijn> z-man-work: you added a space before "torres"
18:32 <z-man-work> ah.
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18:34 <z-man-work> torres: struct I { virtual void operator () () const = 0; }; struct X{ template<typename T> static void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } static void exec (I const &fn) { fn (); } }; int main () { struct A: public I { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; X::exec (A()); }
18:34 <torres> 'struct I' has virtual functions and accessible non-virtual destructor
18:34 <z-man-work> torres: struct I { virtual ~I(){}; virtual void operator () () const = 0; }; struct X{ template<typename T> static void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } static void exec (I const &fn) { fn (); } }; int main () { struct A: public I { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; X::exec (A()); }
18:34 <torres> here
18:34 <pippijn> :-)
18:34 <pippijn> bbl, dinner
18:35 <z-man-work> Horrible, but if all you really want are local functors, it works.
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18:52 <wrtlprnft> local functors sound useful, though.
19:29 <pippijn> C++0x will render them useless
19:29 <pippijn> when lambda expressions arrive
19:32 <wrtlprnft> true
19:35 <pippijn> is template metaprogramming turing-complete?
19:39 <pippijn> there are plans for pure functions in C++1x :-)
19:39 <pippijn> void foo (int i, int j) static nothrow pure { ... }
19:39 <pippijn> well
19:39 <pippijn> int foo (int i, int j) static nothrow pure { ... }
19:40 <pippijn> pure functions returning void are pretty useless
19:44 <pippijn> also overloading cast operators such as dynamic_cast or const_cast might be in C++1x
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20:48 <apt|comp> #list Weather
20:48 <armabot> apt|comp: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
20:50 <apt|comp> hello?
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21:07 <luke-jr> overloading const_cast would be pure evil
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22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/tst/settings-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
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22:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: are pre-0.2.8.3 clients supposed to handle suspend votes? By what epsy tells me it looks like they don't
22:42 <epsy> that doesn't only apply to suspend votes
22:43 <epsy> some even reported that they actually voted, except i didn't see any vote message from them
22:43 <wrtlprnft> I remember something about include and command votes not being sent to older clients
22:43 <epsy> and many doesn't even get the vote menu, indeed
22:45 <z-man> wrtlprnft: suspend votes are supposed to be translated to traditional kick votes for old clients.
22:45 <z-man> old being < 0.2.8.0, 0.2.8.0 can handle the custom votes already.
22:45 <z-man> Include and command votes can't be emulated for < 0.2.8.0 clients, though.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, so virtually everyone should be able to vote for anything
22:47 <wrtlprnft> i wonder why epsy reports it doesn't work, then :-(
22:48 <epsy> basically, stable users don't see the vote
22:48 <epsy> no, wait
22:48 <epsy> these see the vote, but when they vote, there's no vote message appearing
22:49 <wrtlprnft> got a nick of a recent pseudovoter handy?
22:49 <epsy> the players who have the build which cannot vote doesn't see it at all
22:49 <epsy> and recent client users can vote
22:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, Monkey reported to have voted, altrough i never seen his vote
22:49 <epsy> it was probably another command say hi vote
22:50 <wrtlprnft> 743317 [2] Monkey voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:50 <epsy> strange
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 743285 [1] Frozen Infernal voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 743313 [3] Longball|MBC voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:51 <wrtlprnft> plus three against
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i doubt they all used a recent version
22:52 <epsy> i doubt that too
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22:52  * wrtlprnft wonders why client versions aren't logged.
22:55 <flex> because luke-jr__ is gay
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23:19 <z-man> wrtlprnft: feel free to add them to the "connection established" message.
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23:20  * wrtlprnft liked the luke-jr explanation
23:20 <z-man> Hmm, are kick votes enabled on elimination sumo?
23:21 <[dlh]> luke-jr: poke. I need a password reset for my account on beta.armagetronad.net
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23:43 <z-man> That's probably a mighty complicated bug epsy has picked as target.
23:44  * z-man is watching an Uwe Boll film
23:49  * guru3 waves
23:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8316 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Have the server log the version of each connecting clients (I hope the max version the client sends is its current version)
23:52  * wrtlprnft wonder if he'll ever manage to produce a commit message without spelling errors
23:52 <wrtlprnft> *wonders
23:52  * wrtlprnft should go to bed.
23:53 <guru3> i would argue that's a grammer error
23:53 <wrtlprnft> it's a nitpick error :P
23:54 <guru3> yup
23:54 <guru3> and you started nitpicking first ;)
23:57 <wrtlprnft> heh, i nitpicked myself :-P
23:57 <wrtlprnft> nitpicking yourself isn't nitpicking…
23:57 <wrtlprnft> err, nvm
23:57  * wrtlprnft really goes to bed
23:57 <guru3> you could have ad an awesome typo there
23:57 <guru3> you could have said
23:57 <guru3> 00:00:12 < wrtlprnft> heh, i nosepicked myself :-P
23:58 <guru3> that would have been bad
23:58 <guru3> even if we do all pick our noses, we rarely admit it in public
23:58 <wrtlprnft> you DO pick your nose?
23:58  * wrtlprnft never did
23:58 <guru3> "no comment"
23:58 <wrtlprnft> really.
23:58 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
23:59 <mkzelda> i dont pick my nose but i pick other people's
23:59 <baddog144> ewww... :)
23:59 <guru3> there's an even rarer statement
23:59 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: mine, for example.
23:59 <guru3> following up on baddog144, are the other people concious/alive when it happens?

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00:00 <guru3> do the victims know?
00:00 <baddog144> lol
00:00 <guru3> are you a nose picking stalker? a weird fetishist?
00:01  * wrtlprnft uses his feet to pick other peoples' noses
00:01 <wrtlprnft> good night.
00:01 <wrtlprnft> (toes, to be exact)
00:01  * baddog144 slowly backs away from wrtlprnft
00:01  * baddog144 goes of to play tron
00:02 <guru3> baddog144, a wise choice
00:02 <baddog144> better than listening to ppl talk about nose fetishes ;)
00:03 <guru3> let it stand on the record that i do not have a nose fetish, but was imagining the worse case scenario of mkzelda
00:03 <guru3> (note he hasn't spoken since then as well)
00:03  * guru3 is an engineer
00:03  * guru3 is being trained to imagine worse case scenarios
00:03 <guru3> *worst
00:04  * guru3 whistles
00:14  * baddog144 hums a little tune
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00:44 <z-man> OK, LETS ADD THAT TO THE "DON'T DO AGAIN" LIST.
00:45 <z-man> Normally, I enjoy bad movies, but theres a limit, and Uwe Boll seems to know how to cross it.
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00:58  * baddog144 downloads the ArmagetronAd Src Code to look at
00:59 <baddog144> may i ask what languge Arma is written in?
01:00 <ct|kyle> C++
01:00 <baddog144> ah, cool :)
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01:09 <baddog144> Jesus christ, the SVN is BIG
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01:18 <baddog144> uh oh... fatal error: cannot open unistd.h: No such file     :(
01:19 <baddog144> in fact, 58 errors in total
01:22  * baddog144 sniffles
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02:45 <Durka_> [dlh]: :D
02:45 <Durka_> ping
02:46 <[dlh]> pong
02:47 <[dlh]> Durka_: pong
02:48 <Durka_> do you have some time to help me really quickly? :)
02:49 <[dlh]> yep
02:50 <Durka_> alrighty
02:50 <Durka_> so
02:51 <Durka_> after you had left that day, I finished downloading xcode and installed it
02:51 <Durka_> now, i assume you read my post
02:52 <Durka_> what's the difference between "Release" and "Debug"
02:52 <Durka_> does release make it into a .dmg file?
02:52 <[dlh]> Release builds for ppc and i386, and Debug only builds for your current arch (and with less optimization).
02:52 <Durka_> alright
02:53 <Durka_> so the trunk was able to build
02:53 <Durka_> but not the 0.2.8 branch
02:53 <Durka_> or 0.2.8.2
02:53 <Durka_> :\
02:53 <[dlh]> what errors did you get?
02:53 <Durka_> should i post the error messages here?
02:53 <[dlh]> Post it on a pastie site if it's long
02:53 <Durka_> ok
02:57 <Durka_>   "ZThread::FastRecursiveMutex::release()", referenced from:
02:57 <Durka_>   "ZThread::FastRecursiveMutex::acquire()", referenced from:
02:58 <Durka_>   "ZThread::FastRecursiveMutex::FastRecursiveMutex()", referenced from:
02:58 <Durka_>   "ZThread::FastRecursiveMutex::~FastRecursiveMutex()", referenced from:
02:58 <Durka_> those are the 4 errors
02:58 <[dlh]> ok
02:58 <Durka_> they are the only lines highlighted in red ;)
02:59 <[dlh]> Hold on, let me try building 0.2.8
02:59 <Durka_> this is the alpha
03:00 <Durka_> er, just the 028 branch, not 0282
03:00 <baddog144> why can't i get the SVN? I type: " svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad armagetronad "
03:00 <baddog144> sbut it just says the URL don't exist :(
03:00 <Durka_> oO it worked for me
03:00 <Durka_> dont checkout all of that oO
03:01  * Durka_ Durka_brb
03:01 <Durka_> er
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03:01 <baddog144> oh, yeah sorry, i just checked out the trunk
03:01 <baddog144> ahah! Got it working :D
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03:18 <baddog144> yay, it's all there
03:19 <ct|kyle> dorka
03:19 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8317 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/macosx/ (config_common.h.in dedicated/config.h): Only use ZThread in dedicated build
03:19 <[dlh]> Durka_: fixed now
03:20 <baddog144> k, so how do i build the source (im on linux)
03:21 <Durka_> ok, i'll try r8317
03:23 <[dlh]> delete src/macosx/config_common.h
03:23 <[dlh]> before you try
03:23 <[dlh]> Durka_:
03:23 <Durka_> delete that from the new thing i download?
03:24 <[dlh]> oh, if you downloaded the whole src again it shouldn't be there
03:24 <Durka_> yea that's what i was gonna do :P
03:24 <Durka_> wait
03:24 <Durka_> i saw your change
03:25 <Durka_> does this mean that building the dedicated server will fail?
03:25 <Durka_> and what's 028-auth?
03:25 <Durka_> i mean nvr mind
03:26 <[dlh]> no, building the client would fail. no it doesn't
03:26 <[dlh]> now it doesn't*
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03:27 <Durka_> [dlh]: release or debug?
03:28 <[dlh]> release if you want it to play, but it will take longer
03:28 <Durka_> ok
03:32 <Durka_> [dlh]: Build succeeded (2 warnings)
03:33 <Durka_> it looks like it's the same warning twice
03:33 <[dlh]> Those 2 can be ignored
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03:33 <Durka_> ok
03:33 <[dlh]> i'm too lazy to fix them
03:33 <Durka_> :)
03:34 <Durka_> you're god
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03:35 <Durka_> um I have no name oO
03:38 <Durka_> [dlh]: wtf?
03:38 <[dlh]> *screenshot required
03:38 <[dlh]> :)
03:39 <Durka_> ok
03:39 <Durka_> one sec
03:40 <Durka_> alright, lemme send u a link
03:41 <Durka_> http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8021/screenshot1of7.png
03:43 <[dlh]> hmm, happens for me too
03:45 <Durka_> o_O
03:45 <baddog144> Geez, Boost takes ages to compile -.-
03:53 <Durka_> [dlh]: so is this an official bug? oO
03:55 <Durka_> hm, what's 'create full release' ?
03:57 <Durka_> btw, 8 warnings when building server btw ;)
03:58 <[dlh]> the create release targets create dmgs
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04:06 <Durka_> are the release targets supposed to build super quickly?
04:06 <baddog144> arrrg... Boost didn't evevn build properly, and it took like 20 minutes :(
04:06 <Durka_> sweet, so I can now build dmgs :D
04:07 <Durka_> i feel so 1337
04:07  * Durka_ bows to [dlh] 
04:08 <[dlh]> Durka_: the build went super quickly because you had already built the client in release mode :)
04:08 <Durka_> hehe gotcha ;)
04:08 <baddog144> what software to i need to compile Boost? will GCC/G++ do?
04:09 <Durka_> you need microsoft word i think :P
04:09 <baddog144> what? WTF?
04:09 <baddog144> srsly
04:09 <[dlh]> baddog144: we only use the boost headers
04:09 <Durka_> obviously im kidding
04:09 <baddog144> Durka: Duh
04:09 <Durka_> "baddog144: srsly"
04:10 <baddog144> ok, when i try to compile Arma, it says: it can't find boost... what do i do?
04:11 <baddog144> sorry for asking all the n00bie questions
04:12 <[dlh]> when you compile or when you configure?
04:13 <ct|kyle> no you need boost (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7586)
04:13 <baddog144> when I run make... so compile i think... not familiar with this way of compiling
04:13 <ct|kyle> ya that is compile
04:13 <baddog144> yeah
04:14 <[dlh]> i would just drop all the boost headers in /usr/local/include/boost. It takes forever to compile
04:14 <baddog144> kk
04:15 <baddog144> where r the Boost headers/
04:15 <baddog144> where r the Boost headers?
04:15 <baddog144> oops sorry for dbl post
04:16 <[dlh]> baddog144: what distro are you on in linux
04:16 <[dlh]> ?
04:16 <baddog144> Ubuntu
04:16 <baddog144> 7.10
04:16 <[dlh]> use apt then :)
04:17 <baddog144> oh... right :D
04:17 <[dlh]> no need to manually compile that stuff
04:17 <ct|kyle> Gentoo FTW :D
04:17 <baddog144> ty alot
04:18 <baddog144> Ubuntu FTW
04:18 <baddog144> Ubuntu FTW!
04:18 <baddog144> OMFG Dbl post again... Pidgin is screwing up :/
04:18  * ct|kyle loves compiling though
04:19 <ct|kyle> baddog144: what version of pidgin?
04:19  * baddog144 loves compiling as long as it doesn't take 20 minutes
04:19 <baddog144> 2.2.1
04:20 <ct|kyle> why so old?
04:20  * baddog144 shrugs
04:20 <baddog144> it came with 7.10,
04:20 <ct|kyle> oh
04:21 <ct|kyle> get 2.4 source and compile that
04:21 <baddog144> hmmm... mabye
04:21 <baddog144> could just be my internet tho
04:21 <baddog144> bbs
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04:27 <Durka_> bye [dlh] , thanks for your help
04:28 <[dlh]> yw
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04:31 <baddog144|bbl> bbs
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11:47 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr you here?
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13:19 <eddiefantastic> z-man-work: don't know if it was just me. But I just co'd svn for 0.2.8 compiled with --prefix $path and settings_authentication.cfg wasn't placed in $path/etc/game/armagetronad-dedicated
13:19 <eddiefantastic> was in the source though, but you mat want to check it
13:19 <eddiefantastic> *may
13:21 <z-man-work> Oh, yeah, I forgot to add it to the list of files to be installed.
13:23 <z-man-work> And distributed, for that matter.
13:30 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: note that the file isn't included by default
13:32 <eddiefantastic> no, but settings_dedicated tells you to uncomment SINCLUDE auth... to use it
13:33 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
13:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8318 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/Makefile.am): Manuel Moos: Added settings_authentication.cfg to list of configuration files to be distributed and installed. Whoops.
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17:30 <MrBougo> #crazylate Oxygen is the element with atomic number 8. It is a member of the chalcogen group on the periodic table, and is a highly reactive nonmetallic period 2 element that readily forms compounds (notably oxides) with almost all other elements.
17:30 <armabot> MrBougo: Oxygen is the element with atomic to number 8. It is to member of the group of chalcogen in the periodic table, and is not-metalist highly reactivates of the element of the period 2 that almost forms easily compounds (remarkable you oxidize) with the rest of the elements.
17:30 <MrBougo>  (remarkable you oxidize)
17:31 <MrBougo> #crazylate A portrait of Edward VI of England, when he was Prince of Wales. He is shown wearing a badge with the Prince of Wales's feathers. It was most likely painted in 1546 when he was eight years old, during the time when he was resident at Hunsdon House.
17:31 <armabot> MrBougo: A picture of Edward which I SAW of England, when it was prince of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of Country of Wales. They demonstrate it that it uses a modernity with the prince of the pens of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of Country of Wales. It was more probably painted in 1546 (1 more message)
17:31 <MrBougo> hahaha
17:32 <MrBougo> #more
17:32 <armabot> MrBougo: when it was eight years like a older person, during the time in which was resident in the house of Hunsdon.
17:32 <MrBougo> A picture of Edward which I SAW of England
17:32 <MrBougo> #crazylate Wales Wales Wales Wales Wales Wales
17:32 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: Couldn't talk to server: [Errno socket error] timed out
17:32 <MrBougo> #crazylate of Wales of Wales of Wales
17:33 <armabot> MrBougo: of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of Country of Wales of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of Country of Wales of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of the country of Country of Wales
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18:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/sumo/brawl-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
18:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/sumo/rumble-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
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20:10 <flex> A virus saying please..
20:10 <flex> how weak
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21:30 <ct|kyle> screen -list
21:30 <ct|kyle> that does not work here :D
21:30 <cusco> it does here
21:30 <cusco> There are screens on:
21:30 <ct|kyle> oh :D
21:30 <cusco> a b and c
21:30 <cusco> 3 Sockets in /var/run/screen/S-cusco.
21:31  * ct|kyle is killing all of CT's tron servers
21:32 <ct|kyle> network is overloaded
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22:35 <baddog144> ok, when i compile Arma: is it just a plain 'make'? or does it need some flags or something?
22:41 <baddog144> waaaah... when i compile, it says: No rule to make target ../src/swig/ext/armagetronad_wrap.cxx needed by distdir. Stop. :-$
22:41  * baddog144 cries
22:42  * baddog144 is a n00b
22:42  * baddog144 trons
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22:50 <baddog144> can anyone help?
22:51 <ct|kyle> did you run bootstrap.sh and configure?
22:52 <baddog144> i configured, didn't bootstrap, ty :D
22:52 <ct|kyle> dam n00bs :D
22:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, just restart your client :þ
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22:58 <wrtlprnft> epsy: doesn't change that it's too long
23:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_680.png
23:00 <wrtlprnft> err, wtf
23:00  * wrtlprnft is stupid
23:00 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to make that screnshot at exactly 6000 secs
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it's not worth playing back the recording I have, though. It's easier to just hack that counter.
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Log from 2008-03-15:
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00:24 <baddog144> when i compile Arma, it says something about no rule to make target or something... here is the little bit of output where the problem is: http://pastie.caboo.se/165897 ;'(
00:24 <baddog144> i have configured and bootstrapped btw
00:25 <[dlh]> this is the trunk source?
00:26 <baddog144> yeah
00:26 <[dlh]> hmm
00:27 <ct|kyle> what does the terminal say http://pastbin.ca
00:27 <ct|kyle> http://pastebin.ca i  always forget that e
00:27 <baddog144> i put a pastie: http://pastie.caboo.se/165897 this is not the whole output though
00:28 <[dlh]> Strange error, because src/swig isn't added to SUBDIRS unless you enable ruby...
00:29 <baddog144> how could i disable ruby? (I haven't knowingly enabled it)
00:29 <[dlh]> if you just did a ./configure then it is disabled by default
00:29 <baddog144> hmmm
00:29 <[dlh]> you'd have to ./configure --enable-ruby to enable it
00:30 <ct|kyle> [dlh]: Not on trunk at least when i was messing with R 7224 it used it no matter what
00:30 <[dlh]> Yeah, it changed recently to disabled
00:30 <[dlh]> disabled by default*
00:31 <ct|kyle> [dlh]: is Zone V2 stuff out of it now?
00:31 <[dlh]> zones v2 is enabled by default
00:31 <[dlh]> you can disable it with --disable-zonesv2
00:31 <epsy> ..and works in parallel to zones v1
00:32 <ct|kyle> thanks epsy what i was going to ask
00:33 <[dlh]> baddog144: what version of the trunk are you on? Run "svnversion"
00:33 <baddog144> rev 8318
00:34 <ct|kyle> lets see what i get
00:36 <ct|kyle> i think it takes longer to compile tron than to compile pidgin
00:36 <baddog144> lol
00:37 <ct|kyle> i had to hack pidgin (new feature made me mad)
00:38 <ct|kyle> baddog144: it compiled fine for me, you are running ./bootstrap.sh then ./configure than make ...
00:38 <baddog144> yeah...
00:39 <[dlh]> what, baddog144 how did you call make? "make dist" ?
00:39 <baddog144> just make
00:39 <[dlh]> what=wait
00:39 <[dlh]> try "make all"
00:39 <baddog144> k
00:39 <baddog144> D: didn't work
00:39 <baddog144> same error
00:40 <ct|kyle> what distro?
00:40 <baddog144> Ubuntu 7.10
00:40 <[dlh]> What version of make do you have? make --version
00:40 <baddog144> GNU Make 3.81
00:41 <ct|kyle> same one i have
00:41 <baddog144> hmmm
00:42 <[dlh]> run svn update and try now
00:42 <[dlh]> armabot appears to be sleeping and not listening for commits...
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8319 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am: Possibly fixes baddog144's error?
00:42 <[dlh]> opps
00:44 <baddog144> ooops?
00:44 <baddog144> and it didn't work :(
00:45 <[dlh]> it reran automake, right?
00:45 <ct|kyle> what do you use for ./configure
00:45 <baddog144> no flags
00:45 <ct|kyle> same hmmm
00:45 <baddog144> hang on... i updated wrong folder... it might work...
00:45 <baddog144> no...
00:46 <[dlh]> no?
00:46 <baddog144> didn't work
00:47 <[dlh]> Did make run automake again?
00:47 <baddog144> yeah...
00:48 <[dlh]> try configuring explicitly with --disable-ruby
00:48 <baddog144> k
00:48 <[dlh]> oh, also pastie your configure output (specifically the stuff at the end where it lists all the options used)
00:49 <baddog144> k
00:50 <baddog144> http://pastie.caboo.se/165902
00:50 <baddog144> thats console output for confugre
00:53 <[dlh]> ok
00:53 <baddog144> hmm... it does  say ruby support:  no
00:53 <baddog144> :S
00:53 <[dlh]> are you building?
00:53 <baddog144> not right now
00:54 <ct|kyle> I'll tell you 1 thing i like the tunk build
00:54 <epsy> ct|kyle, now enable display lists :)
00:54 <ct|kyle> what do you mean
00:55 <epsy> global config -> display settings -> performance settings
00:56 <ct|kyle> epsy: they are enabled
00:56 <epsy> fine then
00:59 <baddog144> w00000000000000000000000000000000t it built! YAY
00:59 <baddog144> it built!
01:00 <ct|kyle> finally
01:00 <baddog144> yeah
01:00 <baddog144> ty for all your help
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01:43 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr, you here?
01:53 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8320 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp): Manuel Moos: Typo.
01:53 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8321 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Voter always gets messages about the voting, no matter what privacy level is set.
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01:59 <z-man> #later tell epsy I think the problem with voting was just that at some privacy levels, there was no feedback for a committed vote. That has always been so since pricacy levels were implemented.
01:59 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
02:01 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr, you here?
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02:20 <Durka> luke-jr , luke-jr__ ping
02:21 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Hey Durka
02:21 <Durka> yo rebel ltns
02:23 <luke-jr> .
02:24 <ct|kyle> it is dorka not Durka :D
02:24 <Durka> where is the 'official' newest pig sty patch
02:24 <Durka> theres one from pig, luke, and wrtl
02:24 <Durka> :\/
02:25 <ct|kyle> Durka: just get the CT_PIG STY patch
02:25 <ct|kyle> err code*
02:25 <Durka> where?
02:26 <ct|kyle> nm not there anymore after ed reloaded his vps
02:27 <Durka> mkay
02:27 <Durka> i'll just use lukez
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02:27 <ct|kyle> actualy
02:29 <spidey> well
02:29 <spidey> i figured out why belkin routers suck
02:29 <spidey> they're a canadian company
02:30 <Rebel_Eclipsed> ahem!
02:30  * Rebel_Eclipsed is Canadian
02:30 <Rebel_Eclipsed> XD
02:30 <spidey> so is hayes
02:30 <spidey> he sucks too :P
02:30 <Rebel_Eclipsed> lol
02:30 <Rebel_Eclipsed> we just made the US look good
02:31 <spidey> lol
02:31 <Rebel_Eclipsed> advanced robotics sent up with the last Shuttle
02:31 <spidey> well, i'ma try to put dd-wrt on these broken ass routers
02:31 <spidey> i can only break them worse xD
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02:47  * luke-jr doesn't think any of the pig patches work in current 0.2.8
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03:09 <[dlh]> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
03:11 <luke-jr> does launchpad support up-to-date branches?
03:12 <[dlh]> you have to pull patches in from 0.2.8 every once in a while to update it
03:12 <luke-jr> o
03:12 <[dlh]> sty was last merged 2008-02-14 by z-man
03:13 <luke-jr> looks like the patch in it was pig's original one
03:13 <luke-jr> which means it would be missing wrtl and my modifications to it
03:13 <luke-jr> :o
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06:15 <Durka> luke-jr: xD
06:15 <luke-jr> .
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06:19 <Durka> luke-jr: 2,523 people have downloaded tron via my site oO
06:20 <Durka> (since it started a lil over a year ago)
06:20 <luke-jr> …
06:21 <Durka> weird
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06:33 <Durka> luke-jr: i have a serious question now :D
06:33 <luke-jr> yeah right
06:34 <Durka> :D
06:34 <Durka> how can i adjust the zone height?
06:34 <Durka> say, in sumo, because sometimes the zones block my view
06:34 <Durka> where do i change this? gWinZone.cpp?
06:36 <Durka> luke-jr: =/
06:40 <spidey> Durka, i can answer that for you
06:40 <Durka> go for it
06:41 <spidey> k
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06:41 <luke-jr_> Durka, RTFM
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06:41 <Durka> XD
06:41 <spidey> :P
06:41 <Durka> u dont know? :\
06:41 <Durka> :D
06:42 <spidey> nope ;/
06:43 <Durka> #roulette
06:43 <armabot> Durka: *click*
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08:41 <wrtlprnft> #base convert 10 16 1000
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'convert' is not a valid base.
08:41 <wrtlprnft> #base 10 16 1000
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 3E8
08:41 <wrtlprnft> #base 10 16 2000
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 7D0
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14:26 <MrBougo> #ping
14:27 <armabot> pong
14:44 <eddiefantastic> epsy: can you enter ed's tst server and check you're a moderator?
14:47 <epsy> getting a server adress mismatch X_x
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14:56 <epsy> eddiefantastic, it works
15:11 <eddiefantastic> epsy: then it's all yours...I wont be around tomorrow, wo if there's any problems, now's the fucking time
15:11 <eddiefantastic> sorry for the swearing, been watching Quentin Tarantino
15:12 <eddiefantastic> I recommend Deathproof to anyone
15:12 <eddiefantastic> except my kids of course
15:13 <epsy> eddiefantastic, right, thanks for hosting a server
15:20 <eddiefantastic> you're welcome
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15:24 <+noob7> god I am so glad I found out about synergy, this really helps with working on two computers with their own monitors
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15:55  * wrtlprnft wonders why we can only come up with 4 servers each time
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16:08 <+noob7> who would I have top talk to, to get access to the "Server Admins Only" subforums?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> tank program
16:09 <wrtlprnft> guru3 on IRC
16:10 <+noob7> ok :) thanks
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16:32 <eddiefantastic> .
16:36 <eddiefantastic> ,
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16:45 <wrtlprnft> m
16:52 <eddiefantastic> looks like my 4 yr old wanted to communicate with you guys ;)
16:55 <eddiefantastic> he's pretty much learned how to read at http://www.starfall.com/
16:55 <eddiefantastic> trouble is he reads things with an american accent
16:56 <eddiefantastic> he was reading on and off on a switch in my car. "that stays arn, that says arf"
16:57  * wrtlprnft didn't know how to read before school
17:03 <eddiefantastic> if you'd've had starfall it would be a different story
17:04 <wrtlprnft> honestly, who cares? If I had known how to read and write I'd just have been bored to death
17:05 <wrtlprnft> my mother is a 3rd and 4th grade teacher, and she says that the kids who already know a lot of stuff when they get to school get huge problems in grade 3 and 4 because they were bored in 1 and 2 and didn't learn to pay attention :x
17:08 <eddiefantastic> well, he's in Welsh school, they don't learn English till much later
17:08 <eddiefantastic> so hopefully he'll have enough to keep him busy
17:09 <eddiefantastic> especially since I can't teach him how to talk Welsh, let alone read it
17:19 <wrtlprnft> i'm just talking about the experience from one teacher in germany, it doesn't need to apply to you :-)
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18:08 <epsy> #later tell z-man can you please register either on http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/board/ or on http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ , we're setting up fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff logins
18:08 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:09 <cusco> what does fff stands for?
18:09 <epsy> fortress for four, see http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/
18:12 <cusco> can't register
18:12 <cusco> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_DOUBLE_ARROW in /home/.lynn/xclan/xclan.armagetron.co.uk/includes/ucp/ucp_register.php on line 324
18:14 <epsy> huh
18:14 <flex> http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/board/ucp.php?mode=register&sid=47935f41f05c88869b196bef597924f2
18:14 <flex> the link is wrong
18:15 <flex> oh no
18:15 <flex> you broke the register.php
18:15 <epsy> cusco, try again, sorry for the inconvenience
18:17 <epsy> hopefully i didn't repeat the typo everywhere
18:17 <flex> n00b
18:17  * epsy shouldn't edit such files in the morning
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18:49 <spidey> Download Speed: 10950 kbps (1368.8 KB/sec transfer  rate)
18:49 <spidey> Upload Speed: 709 kbps (88.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
18:49 <spidey> :D
18:49 <spidey> that's while my brother is running 2 vnc clients
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19:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: set it to 100 or 200 in the configs if you want
19:12  * wrtlprnft should apply his negative ping hack
19:12 <epsy> haha
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22:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
22:28 -!- epsy is now known as not_epsy
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22:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
22:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
22:50 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
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22:52 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
22:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
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23:32 <K-Yo> epsy, tjrs là?
23:32 <epsy> oui?
23:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Hex_Sumo-.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
23:35 <K-Yo> pour le tst,
23:35 <epsy> ..oui?
23:35 <K-Yo> s'il y a des serveurs avec qu'une equipe et d'autres avec 4, il y a une raison?
23:35 <K-Yo> ca serait pas plus sympa de jouer par 3?
23:36 <epsy> K-Yo, pas possible
23:36 <K-Yo> ?
23:36 <epsy> et de plus tt le monde s'était enregistré pour 20:00
23:36 <K-Yo> ouais ca doit être trop tard pour prevenir tt le monde
23:36 <K-Yo> ah oui, il y a les horaires aussi :P
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23:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Hex_Sumo-.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
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Log from 2008-03-16:
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00:01 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
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00:54 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8322 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Map load failures (including missing spawn points) now let the map be reverted to the last known working map.
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01:47 <borka> heh it workz
01:47 <borka> #kill epsy
01:47 <armabot> epsy will die on Sun Mar 16 02:21:43 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by borka
01:48 <borka> lawl
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01:48 <epsy> X_x
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02:05 <Durka> meh
02:06 <Durka> finally no more _
02:07 <Durka> epsy:
02:07 <Durka> oO
02:07 <epsy> what
02:07 <Durka> ./join #durkadurkaland
02:07 <Durka> o_O
02:07 <epsy> nah
02:08 <Monkey_arma> durkadurkaland is for noobs
02:09  * epsy agrees 100%
02:09 <Durka> x(
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05:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
05:49 <+noob7> these updates need to be clickable URLs to the repository
05:57 <luke-jr_> patches welcome
05:57 <luke-jr_> good luck, btw, IRC doesn't really support that
05:58 <+noob7> I have no clue how armabot works or what it even runs on
05:58 <+noob7> I know not all clients will be able to have it "clickable"
05:58 <+noob7> but the full URL would be nice ;)
05:58 <+noob7> just for those that CAN
05:58 <luke-jr_> armabot doesn't do anything much
05:58 <luke-jr_> it just copies from #Commits
05:59 <+noob7> 6 in the morning and will still read up on it :)
05:59 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Hex_Sumo-.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
06:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-2.7.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
06:07  * baddog144 wonders how easy it would be to implement a feature where servers can have custom cockpits tailored to the type of server
06:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Ratchets_Ultimate_Sumo-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
06:09 <baddog144> where is all the server config code located?
06:13 <luke-jr_> what makes you think there is such a place?
06:14 <baddog144> i dunno... is there?
06:14 <luke-jr_> no
06:14 <baddog144> so... where is all the server configuring done? like when you go 'Host game'?
06:18 <luke-jr_> same as for local games
06:18 <baddog144> oh, right, k thx
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07:55 <armabot> pong
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09:21 <Durka> herro
09:25 <wrtlprnft> herroooo?
09:26 <Durka> wrtlprnft: u rock
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09:36 <Durka> wrtlprnft: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8021/screenshot1of7.png
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09:53 <Durka> wrtlprnft: u see the link? :P
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09:59 <wrtlprnft> now i'm here
09:59 <Durka> :D
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10:02 <wrtlprnft> interestingly it doesn't happen on the trunk
10:03 <Durka> hm
10:04 <wrtlprnft> at least not on my version of it
10:04  * wrtlprnft updates
10:09 <Durka> wrtlprnft: any idea what the problem is/
10:09 <wrtlprnft> still poking around
10:13 <Durka> heh
10:15  * wrtlprnft blames it on epsy
10:17 <Durka> ;)
10:18 <Durka> should I try compiling the latest SVN for 0.2.8?
10:18 <wrtlprnft> won't help
10:18 <Durka> maybe something weird was with the version I checked out o_O
10:18 <wrtlprnft> it's epsys rename patch
10:18 <Durka> lol
10:18 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't affect the trunk because it hasn't been merged yet
10:18 <Durka> that would make sense
10:19 <wrtlprnft> stupid sf svn
10:19 <wrtlprnft> it's so darn slow
10:25 <Durka> yep, I just compiled it
10:25 <Durka> same bug
10:29 <Durka> wrtlprnft: is the problem in ePlayer.cpp?
10:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:32 <Durka> wow how long did it take z-man to write all of this o_O
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11:05 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy there's a problem with your forced rename patch: in local game all local players get empty nicks. I tried locating it, but didn't succeed. could you have a look at it?
11:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:08 <z-man> #later tell epsy probably just add a "if (sn_GetNetState() = nSERVER)" somewhere :) /me happily applies the "fix your own mess" policy here and keeps out of it.
11:08 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
11:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man: ah, about that
11:09 <z-man> Do I have own mess to fix? ;)
11:09 <wrtlprnft> yep
11:10 <wrtlprnft> if you have to players, Zop and szopy (iirc, something containing a lowercase zop at least)
11:10 <z-man> You can't kick Zop?
11:10 <wrtlprnft> all the commands that take a partial player name will happily interpret "zop" as szopy instead of Zop
11:10 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that's intentional
11:11 <wrtlprnft> oh, and I don't know if it's intentional that authorities can contain slashes. It's definitely useful
11:11 <z-man> Well, the comparison order is somewhat arbitrary.
11:11 <z-man> It's intentional.
11:11 <z-man> For those poor guys who don't have an own domain.
11:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:13 <wrtlprnft> epsy is going to use it for authorities like fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff
11:13 <z-man> Ah, so that's why he wants to force me to register at x.
11:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:15 <z-man> Any reason he can't just use existing logins? I'm not exactly a fan of needless account proliferation.
11:16 <wrtlprnft> well, he also plans to add an AUTHORITY_LEVEL command
11:17 <wrtlprnft> like USER_LEVEL, just for whole authorities
11:17 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can't authority servers also return informations about “user groups”?
11:17 <wrtlprnft> *information
11:18 <wrtlprnft> so you could say USER_LEVEL staff#fff.armagetron.co.uk or something
11:18 <wrtlprnft> phpbb based authorities could use the user groups of phpbb
11:19 <z-man> Yeah, that would be a good idea.
11:19 <z-man> access level as seen by the authority could be a BLURB message.
11:20 <z-man> And AUTHORITY_LEVEL could be the maximal access level settable by that.
11:20 <wrtlprnft> so all we would need is tank to create a fff-staff user group on the forums, then USER_LEVEL fff-staff#forums
11:20 <z-man> Yep.
11:21 <wrtlprnft> a per-authority access level that's clamped isn't versatile enough, though
11:21 <z-man> Probably, yeah.
11:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe some servers want to give admin access to all dev staff, and some only to fff staff
11:22 <z-man> The name matching thing is sort of intentional.
11:23 <z-man> "Zop" will get you Zop, "szop" will get you szopy.
11:23 <z-man> We could make zop"
11:23 <z-man> We could make "zop" an imperfect match that triggers the "too many matches" error.
11:24 <wrtlprnft> that would be great
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11:59 <zmanuel> Hmm, no, that would be stupid :) If "Zöp" and  "szopy" are online and you don't have an ö on your keyboard, you would not be able to /msg Zöp at all then.
11:59 <zmanuel> Full canse insensitve matches need to be worth more than partial case sensitive matches.
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12:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yeah, i agree with your last statement
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13:35 <Monkey_arma> When is a new stable release going to arrive, it has been 2.8.2.1 f or forever!
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13:40 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, 0.2.8.2.1 is a nice number :D
13:40 <K-Yo> and 0.3 is sooo uncool, way to short
13:42 <Monkey_arma> I am about to upgrade to trunk..it had BETTER give me more fps as epsy has promised me *OR ELSE* :)
13:43 <Monkey_arma> The only time i have heard of a stable version being unchanged for so long was with debian woody
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13:44 <madmax> heh
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13:46 <Monkey_arma> and that took 3 years!
13:49 <wrtlprnft> Monkey_arma: at least some development is happening now
13:49 <Monkey_arma> :)
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14:09 <Monkey_arma> epsy tells me even 0.3 is 1 year old...omg what the hell are you people doing? lucifer get the fuck out of bed and write some code...
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14:34 <wrtlprnft> Monkey_arma: 0.3 was never stable
14:34 <wrtlprnft> there's snapshots for the trunk.
14:37 <Monkey_arma> :)
14:37 <DrJoeTron> boop
14:37 <Monkey_arma> i am using bzr ..dont worry wrtl :)
14:39 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
14:45 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, it gives more fps indeed
14:45 <Monkey_arma> oO i hope you are right...
14:45 <K-Yo> I jumped from 7 (lowers fps I ever had) to 50
14:45 <K-Yo> (oly lowest fps here)
14:46 <K-Yo> my best fps jumped from 100 to 150
14:46 <K-Yo> you use it on linux?
14:46 <Monkey_arma> heh i play in 320x200 with all gfx settings on min and i get 10fps in sumo
14:46 <Monkey_arma> linux
14:46 <K-Yo> ok
14:46 <Monkey_arma> i can only play fort really
14:46 <+noob7> Oo your poor eyes
14:46 <K-Yo> 10 fps in sumo? the old or new revision?
14:47 <K-Yo> the fps change was more impressive on windows I find
14:47 <Monkey_arma> sumo revision?
14:47 <Monkey_arma> whatever sumo they play in the servers
14:47 <Monkey_arma> ww team sumo, etc
14:47 <Monkey_arma> same for all
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15:31 <K-Yo> I was talking about the game Monkey_arma
15:31 <K-Yo> what version? latest trunk build?
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15:32 <epsy> no he was using stable
15:32 <epsy> lol
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15:32 <epsy> <epsy> no he was using stable
15:33  * Monkey_arma scratches head
15:34 <Monkey_arma> i use 2.8.2.1...already said that
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15:37 <DrJoeTron> protip: play a different game :)
15:40  * Monkey_arma scratches head again
15:40 <DrJoeTron> should probably wash your hair
15:40 <+noob7> monkey, just tell joetron to go back to fyad
15:40 <DrJoeTron> hey hai
15:41 <+noob7> \o
15:41 <Monkey_arma> damn you're right i've got knits....
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15:52  * Monkey_arma will be upgrading soon
15:52 <Monkey_arma> hardware i mean
15:54 <madmax__> hm, I'm already at __ x_X
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15:55  * wrtlprnft finds it hard to imagine that there are people out there with a graphics card worse than his
15:55 <DrJoeTron> what are you on
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
15:56 <DrJoeTron> ahaha intel integrated graphics
15:59 <Monkey_arma> haha ..easy ....i am on Intel i810....you lose
15:59 <Monkey_arma> "integrated" of course
15:59 <Monkey_arma> "graphics" barely
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16:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8323 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor annoyance: the round end zone on freestyle game is now announced correctly
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16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8324 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: Full case insensitive matches now take precedence over partial case
16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: sensitive matches. "KILL Z", if players z and Z-Man are online, now kills z.
16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8325 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy: The Players name appear again in standalone mode. Also added VOTING_SUSPEND and RENAME to NEWS.
16:53 <K-Yo> haha z-man ...
16:53 <K-Yo> who would like to kill z if Z-Man is online?
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17:12 <wrtlprnft> every kill command should kill K-Yo if he's online
17:14 <ct|kyle> kill K-Yo
17:20 <K-Yo> i'm online
17:20 <K-Yo> #si o.s
17:20 <armabot> K-Yo: ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server: Players (8/16): .dBd|sasori, backinbizz, CT~Voodoo, cT¤K-Yo, ~*GluGGsel*~, ¦×¦ flex, ¦×¦epsy, °~>Phy$iX<~°
17:20 <K-Yo> (we're not winning T.T)
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17:32 <wrtlprnft> äss o.s
17:32 <wrtlprnft> #ss o.s
17:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server (11/16): Team red (420): CT~Voodoo (120), cT¤K-Yo (90); Team green (270): CTxGonzap (90), red (60); Team violet (270): backinbizz (120), °~>Phy$iX<~° (0); Team gold (180): ~*GluGGsel*~ (60); Team blue (150): .dBd|sasori (60), ¦×¦ flex (0); Team ugly (120): GoInVeR (60), Brádwürst (0)
17:33 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i was going to ask, how am i supposed to know when has your php server info script got its info?
17:34 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, we were winning at that time ok...
17:34 <epsy> haha
17:34 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ?
17:34 <K-Yo> oh epsy je commence un peu à toucher le css, en fait c'est stylé comme truc
17:35 <epsy> wrtlprnft, you know, the php thing you did when you where trying to get the encoding fixed in armabot
17:35 <epsy> K-Yo, t'as vu :)
17:36 <wrtlprnft> <Servers age="63">
17:36 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:37 <epsy> the thing which runs the #serverscores command :)
17:37 <wrtlprnft> err
17:37 <wrtlprnft> instantaneous
17:37 <epsy> when i dump the contents of the returned object, i get something almost empty
17:38 <epsy> until some seconds later
17:38 <epsy> (ok not seconds :) )
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17:40 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/scores.php.txt
17:42 <epsy> heh
17:42 <wrtlprnft> it's not perfect
17:42 <epsy> i meant the script which gathers info from each server
17:42 <wrtlprnft> there's no way to know if you really got all players
17:42 <epsy> the lib if you prefer
17:42 <epsy> hm
17:42 <wrtlprnft> what about it?
17:43 <epsy> i need to know when is it supposed to be complete
17:43 <wrtlprnft> well
17:44 <wrtlprnft> look at the scores class, then
17:44 <wrtlprnft> z-man says it's not totally reliable, but it should be an indicator that you're completely synced
17:45 <epsy> ah, so i should wait for this indicator to be set on true?
17:45 <flex> #roulette
17:45 <armabot> flex: *click*
17:45 <wrtlprnft> well
17:45 <wrtlprnft> you send a message with descriptor 28
17:45 <wrtlprnft> and if the server answers with a SyncAck it thinks you're synced
17:46 <epsy> i see
18:05 <Ttech> #list
18:05 <armabot> Ttech: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
18:05 <Ttech> #list quote
18:05 <armabot> Ttech: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
18:05 <Ttech> ~quote stats
18:05 <Ttech> #quote stats
18:05 <armabot> Ttech: There are 64 quotes in my database.
18:05 <epsy> #q
18:05 <armabot> epsy: Quote #51: "<DrJoeTron> speaking of microsoft, i decided to actually give the zune the time of day and looked at what the hell it really does, and wow, way to take something with alot of potential and just destroy it microsoft <Lucifer_arma> that's what they've always done ... take electric potential and turn it into waste" (added by epsy at 10:40 PM, July 13, 2007)
18:05 <flex> #q
18:05 <armabot> flex: Quote #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:40 AM, October 15, 2006)
18:06 <Ttech> #q
18:06 <armabot> Ttech: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
18:06 <Ttech> #q
18:06 <armabot> Ttech: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
18:06 <epsy> #q
18:06 <armabot> epsy: Quote #60: "<luke-jr> fanatics are good" (added by epsy at 10:27 AM, September 23, 2007)
18:06 <flex> #q
18:07 <armabot> flex: Quote #62: "<tronner> armabot: *click* <armabot> tronner: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes." (added by epsy at 11:34 PM, November 16, 2007)
18:07 <Ttech> #list freshmeat
18:07 <armabot> Ttech: freshmeat
18:07 <Ttech> #freshmeat
18:07 <armabot> Ttech: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
18:07 <Ttech> #freshmeat google
18:07 <armabot> Ttech: Error: project not found.
18:07 <epsy> #freshmeat enlightenment
18:07 <armabot> epsy: Enlightenment, last updated 2004-08-25 03:34:16, with a vitality percent of 0.02 and a popularity of 8.44, is in version 0.16.7.1.
18:08 <epsy> 0.02 lol
18:08 <Ttech> ~cyborgname [echo $randNick]
18:08 <Ttech> #cyborgname [echo $randNick]
18:08 <epsy> takes its time
18:08 <Ttech> epsy, i know
18:08 <Ttech> !botjoin
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18:09 <epsy> let's test this
18:09 <epsy> The_Master, you suck!
18:09 <The_Master> epsy: *sighs*
18:09 <epsy> :|
18:09 <Ttech> epsy, its ai
18:09 <Ttech> lmao
18:09 <epsy> The_Master, how about a cup of tea?
18:09 <The_Master> epsy: Yes, what type of tea would you prefer?
18:09 <epsy> wowo
18:10 <Ttech> ~cyborgname [echo $randNick]
18:10 <epsy> The_Master, just to tell you, armabot loves you
18:10 <The_Master> epsy: What a wonderful thing Christ's infinite love is.
18:10 <Ttech> >><
18:10 <epsy> err O_O
18:10 <Ttech> The_Master, stfu
18:11 <Ttech> ~cyborgname ttech
18:11 <The_Master> Ttech: Don't swear at me.
18:11 <Ttech> The_Master, i msy'
18:11 <epsy> The_Master, wow you are rebellious
18:11 <The_Master> Probably
18:11 <Ttech> lol
18:11 <The_Master> epsy: Are you projecting?
18:11 <epsy> he bugged :)
18:12 <Ttech> epsy, ??
18:12 <Ttech> The_Master, fail
18:12 <epsy> <The_Master> Probably
18:12 <epsy> The_Master, phail
18:12 <The_Master> Ttech: Cannottell.
18:12 <Ttech> epsy, says that when it camnt get a responce
18:12 <The_Master> Probably
18:12 <epsy> The_Master, no no no, let me say it again
18:12 <The_Master> epsy: Hold on a sec.
18:12 <Ttech> ~reloadpipe
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18:12 <epsy> The_Master, You phialed!
18:12 <The_Master> epsy: Has anyone ever told you that you talk a lot?  :)
18:12 <The_Master> Ttech: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
18:12 <epsy> :|
18:13 <Ttech> pwnt
18:13 <Ttech> The_Master, your rude
18:13 <epsy> The_Master, can you speak french?
18:13 <The_Master> Ttech: A few thoughts: 1) No one should be imposing themselves on you in the early days.
18:13 <The_Master> epsy: Un petit peu.
18:13 <epsy> hehe :)
18:13 <epsy> The_Master, can you speak chinese?
18:13 <The_Master> epsy: I can learn to speak any language if enough people talk to me in it.
18:14 <Ttech> ~translate english French sorta
18:14 <Ttech> ~babelfish translate english French sorta
18:14 <The_Master> Ttech: sorta
18:14 <Ttech> ~babelfish translate english French sort of
18:14 <The_Master> Ttech: sorte de
18:14 <epsy> sort of* you mean?
18:14 <epsy> i would say « En quelque sorte »
18:14 <Ttech> ~babelize english French sort of
18:14 <The_Master> Ttech: gauche
18:14 <epsy> LOL!
18:15 <Ttech> epsy, what?
18:15 <epsy> gauche just means « left »
18:15 <Ttech> ~babelize french english gauch
18:15 <The_Master> Ttech: gauch
18:15 <epsy> *e
18:15 <Ttech> ~babelize french english gauche
18:15 <The_Master> Ttech: left
18:16 <Ttech> ~babelize french english En quelque sorte
18:16 <The_Master> Ttech: To a certain extent
18:16 <Ttech> lol
18:17 <Ttech> ~roulette
18:17 <The_Master> Ttech: *click*
18:17 <Ttech> ~roulette
18:17 <The_Master> Ttech: *click*
18:17 <Ttech> ~roulette [part #armagetron fail]
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18:17 <Ttech> !botjoin
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18:17 <epsy> lol?
18:18 <epsy> The_Master, you're a little foolish aren't you?
18:18 <The_Master> epsy: Have you ever gotten drunk?
18:18 <flex> lol!
18:18 <epsy> haha
18:18 <Ttech> The_Master, yes
18:18 <Ttech> ~part [roulette]
18:18 <The_Master> Ttech: Compusa.
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18:18 <Ttech> 0.0
18:18 <epsy> hah
18:18 <Ttech> :P
18:19 <Ttech> ~alias add fpart "part [roulette]"
18:19 <epsy> your bot isnt here
18:19 <Ttech> !botjoin
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18:20 <Ttech> ~alias add fpart "part [roulette]"
18:20 <Ttech> ...
18:20 <The_Master> Ttech: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
18:20 <Ttech> ~fpart
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18:20 <Ttech> !botjoin
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18:20 <Ttech> ~alias add mpart "part [markov]"
18:21 <The_Master> Ttech: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
18:21 <Ttech> ~mpart
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18:21 <epsy> nice wisdom there
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18:36 <Ttech> #cyborg [echo $randNick]
18:36 <armabot> F.L.E.X.: Functional Lifeform Engineered for Xenocide
18:36 <Ttech> ;)
18:36 <Ttech> muhahaha
18:36 <Ttech> #cyborg [echo $randNick]
18:36 <armabot> C.T.C.K.Y.L.E.: Cybernetic Transforming Construct Keen on Yelling and Logical Exploration
18:39 <epsy> how come | is replaced with c
18:39 <ct|kyle> i wondered that too
18:43 <Ttech> eddiefantastic,  don't ask me
18:43 <Ttech> *epsy
18:43 <Ttech> ;P
18:43 <Ttech> epsy, do that command
18:44 <Ttech> it get a random nick
18:44 <Ttech> ~echo $randnick Yo!
18:44 <Ttech> ;(
18:44 <Ttech> ~echo $randNick
18:44 <K-Yo> # echo $randomnick
18:44 <armabot> luke-jr__
18:44 <K-Yo> :P
18:44 <K-Yo> #story
18:45 <K-Yo> .op
18:46 -!- Ttech is now known as W6JCN
18:47 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@20.229-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
18:50 <W6JCN> #echo $randNick Yo!
18:50 <armabot> cusco Yo!
18:50 <W6JCN> #echo $randNick Yo. I love you!
18:50 <armabot> g5vc Yo. I love you!
18:50  * W6JCN hides
18:52 <MrBougo> #echo $randNick Yo. W6JCN loves you!
18:52 <armabot> K-Yo Yo. W6JCN loves you!
18:53 <MrBougo> K-Yo Yo
18:53 <MrBougo> :<
18:53  * W6JCN cries
18:53 <MrBougo> bah :)
18:55 <K-Yo> MrBougo, Yo
18:55 <+noob7> epsy you here? arrow would do the admining on my TST server if that's alright with you, or is an admin even needed?
18:55 <K-Yo> #echo MrBougo. $randomnick is not certain to love you. he's not ready for a relation yet, maybe later... but he thinks you will find the one made for you... ;)
18:55 <armabot> MrBougo. cusco is not certain to love you. he's not ready for a relation yet, maybe later... but he thinks you will find the one made for you... ;)
18:55 <epsy> noob7, ok
18:56 <MrBougo> #echo K-Yo likes being slapped by $randomnick
18:56 <armabot> K-Yo likes being slapped by z-man
18:56 <epsy> :|
18:56 <MrBougo> I think we're pinging too much people :/
18:56 <z-man> Indeed :)
18:57 <MrBougo> sorry Mr. Man
18:58 -!- W6JCN is now known as Ttech
18:59 <Ttech> #echo $randNick I'm Sorry!
18:59 <armabot> tramshed^ I'm Sorry!
19:00 <Ttech> #echo $randNick I'm Sorry! ($randDate)
19:00 <armabot> P4 I'm Sorry! (Sun Nov 25 13:11:52 2007)
19:00 <MrBougo> lol
19:01 <Ttech> #echo $randNick I'm Sorry! ($randDate)
19:01 <armabot> pippijn I'm Sorry! (Thu Sep 21 20:11:12 1995)
19:02 <ct|kyle> #echo $randNick, I'm Sorry you are a n00b! ($randDate)
19:02 <armabot> Ttech, I'm Sorry you are a n00b! (Wed Jan 15 13:04:14 1992)
19:02 <MrBougo> #mail
19:02 <armabot> MaZuffeR you have 250 new messages. First sent on Mon Dec 13 23:11:57 2010 .
19:02 <Ttech> #echo $host, $user, $today, $who, $randInt, $randDate, $botnick, $channel, $nick
19:02 <armabot> fullcirclemagazine/developer/ttech, n=ttech, 16 Mar 2008, Ttech, 288, Sat Mar 22 23:14:33 1986, armabot, #armagetron, Ttech
19:02 <MrBougo> fullcirclemagazine/developer/ttech
19:02 <MrBougo> huuuh
19:03 <MrBougo> oh your host
19:03 <+noob7> epsy can you join yet another tst server quick?
19:03 <MrBougo> i thought the bot's
19:03 <Ttech> noob7, join DevNode
19:03 <Ttech> ;)
19:03 <Ttech> MrBougo,  lol
19:03 <Ttech> !botjoin
19:03 -!- The_Master [i=ttech@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster] has joined #armagetron
19:03 <Ttech> ;)
19:03 <Ttech> Love that feature
19:03 <+noob7> Oo
19:03 <Ttech> ~echo $botnick
19:03 <The_Master> The_Master
19:03 <MrBougo> eh
19:03 <Ttech> ~network whois [echo $botnick]
19:04 <The_Master> The Master (i=ttech@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster) has been identified on server kubrick.freenode.net since 12:53 PM, March 15, 2008 (idle for 12 seconds) and is an op on ##transcendence, is voiced on #transcendence and #botters, and is also on #armagetron, #dbot, #photonCRM, #supybot, and #hamradio.
19:04 <Ttech> ~mpart
19:04 <MrBougo> ~echo $botnick licks $randomnick
19:04 <The_Master> The_Master licks P4
19:04 -!- The_Master [i=ttech@unaffiliated/ttech/bot/themaster] has left #armagetron ["The_Master, you suck!"]
19:04 <Ttech> lamo
19:06 <epsy> noob7, what?
19:06 <epsy> noob7, i'm in one actually
19:06 <Ttech> #echo $randNick, $today, $randInt, $randDate, $botnick, $channel
19:06 <armabot> pippijn, 16 Mar 2008, 488, Mon Apr 16 18:42:17 2012, armabot, #armagetron
19:06 <epsy> #ls epsy
19:06 <MrBougo> #ls
19:06 <armabot> epsy: timed out
19:06 <MrBougo> #help ls
19:06 <epsy>  ~echo $channel
19:06 <armabot> MrBougo: (ls <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "lastseen @*".
19:06 <+noob7> epsy can you join yet another tst server quick?
19:07 <Ttech> #echo
19:07 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
19:07 <armabot> Ttech: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
19:07 <Ttech> #echo [chr 1]
19:07 <armabot> [chr 1]
19:07 <Ttech> ;(
19:07 <epsy> #ls ¦×¦epsy
19:07 <armabot> epsy: timed out
19:07 <MrBougo> #echo tobamra
19:07 <armabot> tobamra
19:08 <Ttech> epsy, watch
19:08 <Ttech> #echo 

19:08 <Ttech> ;)
19:08 <epsy> noob7, i'm in x sumo
19:08 <Ttech> muhahaah
19:08 <+noob7> oh ok
19:08 <+noob7> :/
19:08 <epsy> noob7, why?
19:08 <epsy> noob7, it's a participating server
19:09 <+noob7> I know, I just want to check settings (100th time) and introduce arrow so he doesnt mess up later
19:09 <+noob7> I will not be home
19:09 <wrtlprnft> err
19:09 <wrtlprnft> what the hell is armabot doing?
19:09 <epsy> ah
19:10 <Ttech> PRIVMSG as
19:10 <Ttech> :|
19:10 <Ttech> #echo 
 VERSION 1234 

19:10 <Ttech> #echo 
 VERSION

19:10  * Ttech runs
19:10 <Ttech> armabot, bad bot
19:10 <Ttech> ;)
19:11 <epsy> noob7, what do you want to do??
19:11 <tramshed^> ?
19:12 <wrtlprnft> what is that A?
19:12 <epsy> noob7, ping
19:12 <+noob7> sorry was afk
19:13 <+noob7> pong
19:13 <+noob7> well... I havent seen the server in action yet, just want to make sure it works :P
19:13 <wrtlprnft> oh, it's really just a ctrl-a
19:13 <epsy> you want to go to YOUR server ah..
19:13 <+noob7> ;)
19:14 <+noob7> it's called "Yet another TST server" remember? :P
19:16 <epsy> k
19:17 <MrBougo> mh
19:17 <MrBougo> whatever
19:18 <MrBougo> does that work? :p
19:18 <epsy> no
19:18 [notice(#armagetron)] stfu!
19:18 <MrBougo> woot
19:18 <wrtlprnft> supper, brb
19:18 <MrBougo> epsy: your client is hella nice
19:19 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-085-216-060-101.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["leaving"]
19:19 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: have fun!
19:19 <epsy> paf ds ta geule
19:19 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-085-216-060-101.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #armagetron
19:19 <MrBougo> :/
19:19 <MrBougo> lol
19:20 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-114-135-239.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
19:21 <spidey> u
19:21 <MrBougo> c'est pas genuine
19:21 <MrBougo> hay spidey
19:21 <MrBougo> been a while :o
19:21 <deja_vu> *g*
19:21 <spidey> epsy called me a n00b :<
19:21  * spidey pokes deja_vu 
19:21 <spidey> hi bougo
19:21  * deja_vu pokes spidey back >:(
19:21 -MrBougo:#armagetron- hai spidey
19:22 <spidey> lstop >..
19:22  * spidey pokes deja_vu 
19:22 <spidey> lmao
19:22 -!- flex__ [n=savas@host86-151-85-14.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #armagetron
19:23 <deja_vu> o_o
19:23 <spidey> i'm eating a 6cheese pizza
19:23 <deja_vu> MrBougo is creepy :P
19:23 <spidey> it started as 4, then i added 2 more O.o
19:23 <deja_vu> hf :)
19:23 <MrBougo> so is deja_vu
19:23 <MrBougo> guess what he's doing?
19:23 <deja_vu> liar
19:23 <MrBougo> i'm not even saying that
19:23 <spidey> lmao
19:24 <deja_vu> only ctcp-ing your imaginiations :P
19:24 <MrBougo> * Ping reply from deja_vu: ? second(s)
19:24 <MrBougo> I love xchat
19:24 <deja_vu> hehe
19:24 <MrBougo> time becomes imaginary!
19:25 <spidey> oh
19:26 <spidey> i was wondering why i wasn't receiving anything
19:26 <spidey> i forgot to identify
19:26 <MrBougo> U SUJK
19:26 <spidey> what's a sujk?
19:26 <deja_vu> maybe something you can add to your pizza?
19:27  * Ttech cries
19:27 <spidey> mm
19:27  * Ttech thinks people found out about this
19:27 <Ttech> #echo 
 VERSION

19:27 <MrBougo> deja_vu: SICK
19:27 <MrBougo> you can also add that to your pizza
19:27 <deja_vu> lol
19:27 <MrBougo> bbl
19:27 <spidey> sure i can
19:27 <spidey> all i have to do is, get the flu, then sneeze on your pizza when you're not looking
19:28 <spidey> then you have a flu pizza
19:28 <deja_vu> i'm glad i ate my pizza today o.o
19:28 <spidey> lol
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19:38 -!- flex [n=savas@unaffiliated/savas] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
19:54 <MrBougo> :D
20:13 <epsy> wrtlprnft, to get the TST config, just restart the serv
20:14 <+noob7> epsy noones showing up on the MCP TST server :P
20:14 <+noob7> checking the players on tronwatch I see they've all been online more than a week ago
20:19 <flex__> ?
20:24 -!- flex__ is now known as flex
20:28 <wrtlprnft> noob7: tronwatch seems to have stopped working
20:30 <+noob7> oh wow you are right, 3 days ago it seems
20:30  * wrtlprnft just sent a mail to the author
20:30 <+noob7> I think novocaine is working on new stuff actually
20:30 <wrtlprnft> i hope it doesn't get classified as spam
20:30 <+noob7> want his jabber adress?
20:31 <wrtlprnft> let's see what happens first
20:31 <+noob7> ok
20:31 <+noob7> I think he wanted to work on some features concerning armathentication and player grouping or something, maybe it has to do with his work on this
20:32 <+noob7> and epsy GMT is not CET, sorry for my confusion
20:32 <wrtlprnft> he can't do authentication yet
20:32 <+noob7> I am not sure what his exact plans where
20:32 <+noob7> *were
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: would you mind if I added an extra string to the small server messages containing the authenticated names of every player? Maybe strip extra newlines at the end so it essentially becomes a 4-byte addition if there's no authenticated users to reduce network traffic
20:34 <+noob7> but I really like tronwatch, basically armabot can give you all the info as well, but the graphs and favourite server graphs are just neat I think
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: *big server descriptors, actually
20:35 <wrtlprnft> my db has the same information in theory
20:35 <wrtlprnft> but the format is incredibly inefficient
20:35 <+noob7> but he is grabbing it from you right?
20:35 <+noob7> or how does he gather the data, I never asked
20:35 <wrtlprnft> also i don't want to open the can of worms you get when publishing long-time stats about individuals
20:35 <wrtlprnft> noob7: he uses http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it only shows the current data, and everyone could generate that in theory (but shouldn't to reduce the load on the servers)
20:36 <wrtlprnft> he fetches it regularily and uses that to make his stats
20:36 <+noob7> so basically the best thing to do would be to run a seperate masterserver and gather the data yourself, right?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:37 <+noob7> well instead of fetching it from you
20:37 <wrtlprnft> you could fetch the list of servers from any master and then query the individual servers
20:37 <wrtlprnft> which is what i'm doing
20:37 <wrtlprnft> it's easiest to just parse my XML file
20:38 <+noob7> oh ok
20:38 <wrtlprnft> and it also doesn't bother the servers with requests from tons of different scripts
20:38 <wrtlprnft> (and you don't get any more information by making the requests yourself)
20:38 <+noob7> true, your xml file gets the stress instead
20:38 <wrtlprnft> no real information, anyways
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Super-Mo-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
20:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ping
20:49 -!- QUARG [n=QUARG@modemcable187.12-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <QUARG> hello everyone
20:50 <wrtlprnft> epsy: pong
20:50 <epsy> game starts in 10 mins and you need to restart serv :)
20:50 <wrtlprnft> z-man: of course i'd only show global IDs that would be visible to Programs
20:50 <wrtlprnft> epsy: err, restart it yourself?
20:50 <QUARG> which clan runs the tst?
20:51 <epsy> done
20:51 <K-Yo> epsy, ?
20:51 <K-Yo> boom
20:51 <epsy> K-Yo, fallait foutre la bonne config
20:51 <K-Yo> broken config
20:51 <epsy> K-Yo, réessaye plusieures fois
20:52 <K-Yo> il arrive pas a dl la carte :S
20:52 <epsy> je sais
20:52 <QUARG> quelle carte? :)
20:52 <epsy> réessaye plusieures fois
20:52 <K-Yo> je viens de la faire une 10 aine de fois
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20:54 <epsy> K-Yo, vas-y
20:55 <K-Yo> c bon
20:55 <K-Yo> t'a changé la mpa?
20:59 <z-man> hmm, where are the tst players?
21:00 <z-man> Ah, /me misread the schedule :)
21:03 <QUARG> z-man i was reading up on the autentication in the wiki... not for the light hearted :)
21:03 <z-man> which part?
21:03 <QUARG> setting up an auth server
21:04 <z-man> wrtlprnft: about the extra string: sure, go ahead.
21:04 <z-man> Oh yeah, that's a bit difficult.
21:04 <QUARG> i still cant seemt o figure out how to store and set user levels let alone setup an auth server
21:04 <z-man> It's best to start with the sample scripts and go from there.
21:05 <QUARG> i figured that though i would like to get the user levels working first to be able to have mods login to my server
21:06 <QUARG> is it a difficult process if i am not the host and cant ssh into the server?
21:06 <QUARG> the host may not know how do cnonfigure all this
21:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Super-Mo-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
21:06 <QUARG> speaking of the ID servers
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Super-Mo-1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
21:09 <epsy> damned
21:09 <epsy> ed's serv is fucked X_x
21:09 <epsy> can't auth
21:09 <epsy> port mismatch
21:09 <z-man> Can't restart?
21:09 <+noob7> want me to spark another one?
21:09 <+noob7> might take a while
21:10 <+noob7> y/n ?
21:10 <z-man> Bugfarm Tournament would be usable, but it's untested.
21:11 <epsy> well i can go for that
21:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Super-Mo-1.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
21:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: ok, I will. Just wanted to know if the idea was sane
21:20 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Ratchet/Sumo/Super-Mo-1.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Ratchet
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21:50 <+noob7> }:| borka is fat
21:50 <Durka> :(
21:50 <Durka> epsy: nice TST
21:51 <+noob7> oh btw: (21:48:44) arrow: x infamous and x s20 aka rico or alex
21:51 <Durka> 3 teams in bottom bracket get byes
21:51 <Durka> aka rica
21:55 <Durka> epsy: when do we play? :\
21:57 <epsy> 20:45
21:57 <Durka> um
21:57 <Durka> ?
21:57 <Durka> what time is it now?
21:57 <flex> ...
21:58 <Durka> the other team forfeited btw
21:58 <Durka> so when do we play next?
22:00 <epsy> look challenge board
22:00 <Durka> meh
22:09 <Durka> #serverinfo z-man
22:09 <armabot> Durka: Z-Man's TST Server: Players (0/32):
22:09 <Durka> heh
22:09 <Durka> #tst
22:10 <Durka> lol!
22:12 <Durka> #serverinfo z-man ip
22:12 <armabot> Durka: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “z-man ip” at the moment, sorry.
22:15 <Durka> #serverinfo z-man
22:15 <armabot> Durka: Z-Man's TST Server: Players (0/32):
22:15 <Durka> listen, epsy I don't want to waste my time if I'm not playing against anyone
22:15 <flex> z-man, could you let me join so i can watch. :)
22:16 <flex> z-man-work, z-man
22:16 <z-man> what, what?
22:17 <flex> can i join to watch please
22:17 <z-man> it's over already.
22:17 <flex> oh
22:17 <Durka> z-man: who won?
22:17 <z-man> Infa and xs20
22:18 <Durka> :O
22:18 <Monkey_arma> *:()
22:18 <epsy> Monkey_arma, now i have time
22:18 <Durka> #banaba
22:19 <Monkey_arma> i think i will read the tutorials tomorrow epsy  and then try to see if i can d/l them myself
22:19 <epsy> ok
22:20 <Monkey_arma> are the scores for the tst up?
22:20 <eddiefantastic> epsy: authentication not working?
22:21 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-178-153.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
22:21 <epsy> it *was* not working
22:21 <epsy> went there again to get lost ppl
22:21 <epsy> and i could auth again
22:23 <Monkey_arma> durka you mean #banana
22:23 <Monkey_arma> :)
22:23  * Monkey_arma gives durka a banana
22:23 <eddiefantastic> #serverinfo z-man
22:23 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Z-Man's TST Server: Players (8/32): (:o)Aaron, (o:)Justin, .:] flash, Gonzap, Slash, Z-Man-recording, [ADMIN]Z-Man, ¦×¦epsy
22:42 <epsy> updated TST Challenge Board
22:43 <QUARG> having trouble with the tat?
22:43 <QUARG> tst*
22:44 <epsy> no
22:44 <epsy> everything is running fine :)
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22:44 <epsy> except i lost :(
22:45 <Monkey_arma> is the durkadurkaland tst the official tst results page or is there another?
22:45 <epsy> no
22:45 <epsy> durka don't organize TST anymore
22:45 <epsy> ¦×¦ took it over
22:45 <Monkey_arma> gratz epsy
22:45 <epsy> see http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=23
22:46 <epsy> we're going to setup a site for the TST itself probably this week
22:48 <Monkey_arma> and you will need to move the info from ddl over to it
22:50 <epsy> i did
22:50 <epsy> see the past TST sticky in the signup section
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22:52 <epsy> finals are going to be played between Infa & alex and Durka & SageLord
22:53 <spidey> no wai
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23:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8326 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Append (and parse) a list of authenticated names to the big server info messages (the ones that make up the details you see on the server browser)
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23:19 <epsy> Durka & SageLord wins TST 2008.03, gratz to them: http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions.php?c=2401
23:20 <Durka_> #hello
23:20 <Durka_> epsy: :P
23:20 <epsy> now i cba to post that everywhere
23:20 <armabot> Hello Durka_ :) Quote #48: "i'm a woindwos user --MrBougo" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:12 AM, June 24, 2007)
23:20 <Durka_> yay! ^_^
23:20 <epsy> Durka_, you won!
23:20 <epsy> :D
23:20 <Durka_> i nose
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23:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8327 /private/wrtlprnft/serverinfo.php:
23:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Global IDs of nicks are now read out, too, if available.
23:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Also contains some other small fixes
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Log from 2008-03-17:
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00:14 <StickyNoob> so who were the luck winners of the TST?
00:14 <StickyNoob> ahh Durka and sage
00:14  * Monkey_arma congratulates durka and sage !
00:15 <StickyNoob> wd
00:16 <Monkey_arma> durks, how much did you win by? what were the scores?
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00:27 <Durka_> #m wrtlprnft newest bug from epsy's name thing: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3535/screenshot2dn7.png
00:27 <armabot> Durka_: The operation succeeded.
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00:43 <Monkey_arma> the tst page only says that sage and durka won, it does not have the scores...
00:44 <flex> that would mean epsy would need to get that info.. and to epsy that would mean more work
00:44 <flex> which is impossible
00:44 <madmax> censorship!
00:45 <flex> yes, privacy polices..
00:45 <madmax> z-man already put the recordings on the forum thread
00:46 <madmax> why only two teams on the final? o_o
00:47 <flex> not quite sure.. but i'd like to know if it's actually a better idea
00:48 <Monkey_arma> ah it was sage and goody, not durka
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00:49 <flex> what
00:49 <Durka_> =/
00:49 <madmax> heh, not as fun with only 4 players inside the zone
00:49 <Durka_> madmax: you compile the latest SVN?
00:49 <Durka_> epsy keeps failing
00:49 <Durka_> http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3535/screenshot2dn7.png
00:49 <Durka_> first <your name> was invisible
00:49 <madmax> no
00:50 <Monkey_arma> this is a mess, the tst page says sage and durka won, the xclan forum says that durka and goody won, so what actually happend
00:50 <Durka_> now <your name> is visible, but everyone else's is invisible =/
00:50 <Monkey_arma> er sage and goody  sorry
00:50 <flex> Monkey_arma, that's last TST
00:50 <flex> notice the "02" "03"
00:50 <Monkey_arma> hehe
00:50  * Monkey_arma is exceptionally stupid
00:50 <flex> £>
00:50  * Monkey_arma apologises for exceptional stupidity
00:51 <flex> na it's quite messy..
00:51 <Durka_> ∞
00:51 <Monkey_arma> yes it is
00:53 <Monkey_arma> i think for a final having only 2 teams might be better
00:53 <flex> I thought it was a nice idea too
00:53 <madmax> heh
00:54 <Durka_> Monkey_arma: it was awful
00:54 <Monkey_arma> hey you won so shut it
00:54 <Monkey_arma> do you think it would be better with 4 teams in the final?
00:55 <Monkey_arma> i dont know, i have never played tst
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00:55 <Durka_> totally better
00:56 <Monkey_arma> ok so for future we will recommend that then
00:56 <Monkey_arma> i think unreliable players should be banned from future games also
00:56 <flex> what do you mean by unreliable?
00:57 <Monkey_arma> flex....
00:57 <flex> monkey
00:57 <Monkey_arma> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unreliable
00:57 <flex> haha
00:57 <Monkey_arma> flex for a native english speaker you worry me
00:58 <Monkey_arma> people who dont turn up...
00:58 <Monkey_arma> or who have to fuck off early etc
00:58 <flex> well.......
00:58 <Monkey_arma> or we should beat them so they dont do it again
00:59 <Durka_> says that man who went MIA for 6 months
00:59 <Monkey_arma> er..excuse me.....i was AWOL actually
00:59 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:59 <flex> sensible to put out warnings, but banning.. not really necessary..
01:00 <Monkey_arma> what about for repeat offenders?
01:00 <flex> who even is a repeated offender?
01:01 <Monkey_arma> i dont know..i havent looked at the forums and "invesigated"
01:01 <Monkey_arma> i do apologise
01:01 <Monkey_arma> some people are just lame, like in the afl...its in their blood
01:01 <flex> not really a major issue, personally i've not really seen cause a fuss about it.. plus, it's the team's fault for joining up with someone that isn't going to turn up
01:02 <flex> right?
01:02 <Monkey_arma> hmmm well yes for that member but what about the other people who are expecting to play against them in an exciting game?
01:02 <Durka_> like today
01:03 <Monkey_arma> aha thank you for butting in there...;)
01:03 <Durka_> we essentially got a bye first round since they didn't turn up
01:03 <flex> wasn't those new comers?
01:03 <Durka_> and the replacement bagged also
01:03 <Monkey_arma> newcomers my arse
01:03 <flex> well new comers to TST
01:03 <Monkey_arma> thats no excuse
01:03 <Monkey_arma> cant they read or use a computer?
01:03 <Durka_> mebbe
01:04 <flex> for those issues, I blame epsy and his planning
01:04 <Monkey_arma> :0
01:04 <flex> he shouldn't of put only two teams.
01:04 <madmax> wait, two teams wasn't only in the final?
01:05 <Monkey_arma> max...
01:05 <madmax> for a non-native english speaker i'm...?
01:05 <flex> if I'm not mistaken.. there was some weird layout
01:05 <Monkey_arma> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions.php?c=2401
01:06 <Monkey_arma> ...and for a non-native speaker you speak better than flex....
01:06 <flex> haha
01:06 <madmax> lol
01:06 <flex> leave me the fuck alone!
01:06 <Monkey_arma> :|
01:06 <Monkey_arma> that layout does looked fucked up to me..look at the bottom half
01:08 <flex> brb
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01:24 <madmax> gnight
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02:47 <Durka_> luke-jr_ , luke-jr__ ping
02:52 <spidey> Durka_, RTFM!
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02:52 <Aang> spidey: what's that mean?
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02:52 <spidey> it means RTFM
02:53 <spidey> hey
02:53 <spidey> i still have that dorka name registered
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02:53 <Durka_> xD
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02:54 <spidey> :O
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02:54 <Dorka> pwnt
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02:54 <Dorka> :P
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02:55 <b0rk4> d:S
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02:55 <Borka> :\/
02:59 <Borka> #m [dlh] How do I enable armathentication when building the dedicated server?
02:59 <armabot> Borka: The operation succeeded.
02:59 <Borka> #m [dlh] This is Durka btw ;)
02:59 <armabot> Borka: The operation succeeded.
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06:58 <Lucifer> #seen GodTodd
06:58 <armabot> Lucifer: GodTodd was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <GodTodd> :)
06:58 <Lucifer> #seen GodTodd_
06:58 <armabot> Lucifer: GodTodd_ was last seen in #armagetron 9 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <GodTodd_> yeah...it's fuckluke-jr@you'rearetard.com
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07:31 <Durka_> z-man: ping :D
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07:32 <Durka> :O
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08:15 <epsy> #hello
08:15 <armabot> Hello epsy :) Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
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08:18 <Durka> epsy: this is awful
08:18 <Durka> fix the fucking thing please :D
08:18 <Durka> or dont mess with it int the first place
08:19 <Durka> seriously >.<
08:19 <Durka> #m [dlh] never mind, I got it
08:19 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
08:19 <epsy> Durka, fix what
08:19 <Durka> epsy: oO
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08:20 <Durka> epsy: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3535/screenshot2dn7.png
08:20 <Durka> now only <your name> is visible
08:20 <Durka> in internet games
08:20 <Durka> it's awful :S
08:20 <epsy> upgrade ?
08:21 <epsy> what is this version anyway
08:21 <Durka> the latest SVN
08:21 <Durka> remember i told u
08:21 <Durka> and ur like
08:21 <Durka> o i just fixed that this morning
08:22 <Durka> my first commit
08:22 <Durka> go checkout newest SVN
08:22 <epsy> haha
08:22 <Durka> i did, and this is what I got :\
08:22 <epsy> i see the prob
08:24 <Durka> good :D
08:25 <Durka> go make ur 2nd commit :P
08:26 <epsy> done
08:26 <Durka> orly?
08:26 <epsy> should appear on svn in some mins
08:26 <Durka> it should appear in here too no?
08:26 <epsy> yes
08:26 <Durka> #ping
08:26 <epsy> once it is on the svn :þ
08:26 <armabot> pong
08:27 <Durka> #pong
08:27 <armabot> ping
08:27 <Durka> :D
08:27 <epsy> #poing
08:27 <armabot> piong
08:27 <epsy> #piong
08:27 <armabot> poing
08:28 <Durka> epsy: /me keeps hitting refresh
08:28 <epsy> only 15 players on arma this morning
08:28 <Durka> #svn
08:28 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
08:28 <epsy> just grab the bzr instead :þ
08:28 <Durka> and if my server crashed
08:28 <Durka> just 6 :P
08:28 <epsy> haha
08:30 <Durka> wtf's bzr?
08:30 <epsy> baararmagetron is sleeping
08:30 <Durka> ...
08:31 <epsy> http://bazaar-vcs.org/
08:33 <epsy> ah
08:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8328 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy: Player names really appears again. :)
08:33 <wrtlprnft> so i guess i can ignore your message now, Durka?
08:34 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft what?
08:34 <Durka> :D
08:34 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
08:34 <wrtlprnft> Durka: and remember that epsy is new to arma developing, so be a little easier on him
08:34 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft I have $1,000,000 that I need to give to you
08:34 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
08:34 <Durka> wrtlprnft: sure ignore my messages
08:35 <Durka> wrtlprnft: but epsy's french :\
08:35 <Durka> ;)
08:35 <Durka> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft
08:35 <wrtlprnft> /ignore durka?
08:35 <Durka>  /no
08:35 <epsy> /ignore d0rk4
08:39 <Durka> this takes forever to compile :\
08:40 <flex> because you're gay
08:41  * Durka tells flex to stop talking to himself
08:41 <wrtlprnft> Durka: you know you don't need to delete your old checkout
08:41 <wrtlprnft> just running make is enough, and it should be finished in about 10 seconds as there's just one file to recompile
08:41 <Durka> i could've just replaced the file right? :S
08:41 <Durka> wrtlprnft: I'm on OSX :S
08:42 <epsy> svn up ?
08:42 <wrtlprnft> make -j3  8.45s user 0.82s system 125% cpu 7.403 total
08:42 <Durka> does anyone else get a 20 second timer hickup every time the try and access the server browser?
08:42  * wrtlprnft is surprised how well he guessed it
08:43 <wrtlprnft> err, no?
08:43 <Durka> epsy: it still doesn't work
08:43 <wrtlprnft> epsy: do i need to update café?
08:44 <Durka> I'm not going to waste my time posting a screenshot, but it's still fucked ;)
08:44 <epsy> does not affect server
08:44 <epsy> i dont see any reason it wouldnt work now
08:44 <epsy> anyway, have a good day, bbl
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08:46 <wrtlprnft> heh, i should adopt that tactic
08:46 <Durka> don't we all wish that?
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08:49 <wrtlprnft> #later tell durka if it's really not fixed downgrade to rev 8309 (svn up -r 8309)
08:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:38 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails ess caf
10:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): <V> 23 :P, <V>:P{Tom}:P<V>, A5417akA, Haplo, HÅL gøøø
10:41 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails ess caf
10:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): <V> 23 :P, <V>:P{Tom}:P<V>, A5417akA, Haplo, HÅL gøøø, wrtlprnft |mbc| (wrtlprnft@forums)
10:55 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails ess caf
10:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): <V> 23 :P, <V>:P{Tom}:P<V>, A5417akA, CT×X3V1, Flash Gordon, wrtlprnft |mbc| (wrtlprnft@forums)
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11:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8329 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp: Added missing output parameter.
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11:43 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8330 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): Manuel Moos: Better feedback messages; the vote submitter is now always informed that his vote was accepted, and the new vote notification is back.
12:04 <z-man> #later tell epsy local games are OK now, but if I press TAB in a network game, player names are empty.
12:04 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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13:20 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g wrtlprnft@forums
13:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 24 minutes ago.
13:20 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen  wrtlprnft
13:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on Flower Power Sumo Assault 1 hour 14 minutes ago.
13:22 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen
13:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Usage: #lastseen [-v] <nick> -OR- #lastseen -g <nick>@<authority>
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13:38 <wrtlprnft> torres: template<int T> struct A<T> : A<T-1>{}; template<> struct A<0> {}; A<1024> a;
13:38 <torres> 'A' is not a template
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13:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what about adding a 1v1 sumo mode to the tournament server branch? Might be hard to get to, though, as two players can't vote
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14:46 <QUARG> good morning :)
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16:08 <z-man> wrtlprnft: sure. Is there a special map for multiple 1vs1 battles or would one just set the maximum number of teams to 2?
16:16 <QUARG> what game style?
16:17 <z-man> sumo.
16:17 <QUARG> so 2 sets of zones or more?
16:18 <QUARG> cause you could use flower power or i have the original version with 4 sets
16:18 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetron.at/~armagetronad/settings_custom.cfg
16:18 <wrtlprnft> that's the version my server uses
16:19 <wrtlprnft> s/version/config
16:20 <wrtlprnft> it's used sometimes
16:20 <wrtlprnft> i'd convert that server into one of your “generic” servers
16:21 <QUARG> z-man and wrtlprnft while ive got you on line
16:21 <QUARG> i have succeeded in building on mac osx.:)
16:21 <wrtlprnft> publish your build somewhere :-)
16:21 <QUARG> why its the same as everyone elses
16:21 <QUARG> I was just wondering if you knew how the zone height was defined and were i can find it in the source.
16:22 <QUARG> i looked in winzone.cpp but didnt see anything relavent to height
16:22 <wrtlprnft> src/tron/gWinZone.cpp
16:22 <wrtlprnft> probably in gZone::Render
16:22 <QUARG> i looked in there and saw nothing that resembled height
16:22 <QUARG> but ill look again
16:22 <z-man> Yep, should be around there. It's a varialbe or constant or something, probably called 'h'.
16:22 <QUARG> ty
16:23 <wrtlprnft>     const REAL bot = 0.0f;
16:23 <wrtlprnft>     const REAL top = 5.0f; // + ( lastTime - createTime_ ) * .1f;
16:23 <QUARG> zones are client side right?
16:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:23 <wrtlprnft> top is what you'll want to change
16:23 <QUARG> ok thnx
16:23 <wrtlprnft> yw
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16:23  * wrtlprnft tries uncommenting that comment
16:23 <QUARG> is is a Z value?
16:24 <QUARG> as in x,y,z
16:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:24 <QUARG> in a cartisian plane
16:24 <wrtlprnft> basically
16:24 <QUARG> ok
16:24 <wrtlprnft> 1 is the height of a cycle wall
16:24 <wrtlprnft> 1 metre by definition
16:25 <QUARG> o all the values are in meters? i thought it ws pixels or something
16:25 <z-man> Pixels don't make sense in 3d :)
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16:25 <z-man> not as world lenght units, anyway.
16:25 <QUARG> that would be logical though i had never really considered it
16:26  * wrtlprnft likes those growing zones
16:26 <QUARG> so im going to play with the height a bit then build and test to see wha the result is
16:27 <QUARG> if i gat something interesting ill link to it in the forum... under what section?
16:27 <QUARG> get*
16:29 <QUARG> so would i use armagetron.pbproj or armagetron advanced.xcodeproj to make these changes?
16:30  * wrtlprnft has no clue
16:30 <wrtlprnft> just change the darn file and rebuild :-)
16:30 <z-man> the xcodeproj, of course.
16:31 <z-man> But you're not actually changing the project files, so it doesn't matter :)
16:31 <z-man> "Development" or "General" would be good posting places.
16:31 <QUARG> ok
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16:37 <QUARG> thnx for your help i found the line and will build late. for now im off to do some whopping
16:37 <QUARG> :
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18:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: heh, i found out about the quoting of strings by accident ;-)
18:31 <wrtlprnft> (not wanting to make another one-lined forum post)
18:32 <z-man> :)
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18:51 <pippijn> torres: { register long eax asm ("eax"); asm ("movl $3, %eax\n\tmovl $2, %ebx\n\timull %ebx"); cout << eax; }
18:51 <torres> 6
19:02 <wrtlprnft> torres: << sizeof int
19:02 <torres> expected primary-expression before 'int'
19:02 <wrtlprnft> torres: << sizeof(int)
19:02 <torres> 4
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19:21 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: inline void foo (int &d, int v, int t) { d += (t >> (sizeof (int) * CHAR_BIT - 1)) & (v - d); }
19:22 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what does this code do :-)
19:24 <luke-jr> lol
19:30 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: hint: if your cpu has the CMOV instruction, it is an unnecessary optimisation
19:39 <wrtlprnft> torres: << CHAR_BIT
19:39 <torres> Runtime error: Permission denied from EvalCpp.xs (534)
19:39 <wrtlprnft> what IS a CHAR_BIT?
19:39 <torres> Runtime error: executable::execute: Signal raised was not SIGTRAP or process is not stopped
19:43 <wrtlprnft> nvm
19:44 <wrtlprnft> (t >> (sizeof (int) * CHAR_BIT - 1)) should be 1 for a negative number, 0 for a positive one (or zero)
19:45 <wrtlprnft> so it adds one to d if t is negative and the difference of v and d is uneven?
19:46 <luke-jr> …
19:47  * wrtlprnft doesn't like bit fiddling a lot
19:47 <luke-jr> svn blame
19:48 <wrtlprnft> now what does that have to do with anything
19:48 <wrtlprnft> svn praise
19:48 <wrtlprnft> svn annotate
19:48 <wrtlprnft> with annotate apparently having been added after blame
19:48 <luke-jr> see who wrote foo
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it's a riddle, sort of
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it's nowhere in arma's source code
19:49 <wrtlprnft> i hope…
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19:50 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: sorry
19:50 <pippijn> I was working on it
19:50 <pippijn> CHAR_BIT is "how many bits are there in a char"
19:50 <pippijn> it's 8 on x86 and successors
19:50  * wrtlprnft looked it up in limits.h
19:51 <wrtlprnft> well, is there any more to this code than I said?
19:52 <pippijn> another way of writing this code is if (t < 0) d = v;
19:52 <wrtlprnft> aah, right
19:52 <wrtlprnft> >> is making a number bigger (i always mix those up)
19:53 <wrtlprnft> so << 23 inserts lots of ones if the number is negativce, lots of zeroes otherwise
19:53 <pippijn> :-)
19:53 <wrtlprnft> so it's either + 0 or + (v - d), where the d cancels out
19:53 <pippijn> yes
19:54 <wrtlprnft> << vs >> is one of the things where i try to remember which is which by remembering “it's not the way I think it is”
19:54 <wrtlprnft> which recurses infinitely :-(
19:54 <pippijn> :-D
19:54 <pippijn> I use them a lot, so I usually remember
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19:55 <wrtlprnft> well, the correct way is saying “<< is <lower> <lower>, which makes the number smaller”, but sometimes I imagine the binary representation with the most significant bit first, in which the shift operators are the wrong way
19:56 <pippijn> ah :-)
19:56 <wrtlprnft> 00000001 >> 1 = 00000010 :-(
19:57 <pippijn> doesn't really make sense, indeed
19:57 <wrtlprnft> you know, instead of adding aliases for the && and || operators (which && being really easy to remember and || being used so often that you can't forget it), they could have added aliases for << and >>
19:58 <wrtlprnft> s/which/with
19:58 <pippijn> shl and shr?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> times_two_to_the and divided_by_two_to_the :-P
19:58 <pippijn> :-D
19:59 <wrtlprnft> shl and shr still depend on endianness
19:59 <pippijn> yes..
20:00 <wrtlprnft> with the least significant bit first << and >> are entirely logical
20:00 <wrtlprnft> it's just that humans who don't usually fiddle around with bits think of binary numbers like they think of decimal ones
20:03 <pippijn> I like bit fiddling :-)
20:03 <Monkey_arma> oO
20:04 <pippijn> messing with shifts and masks sometimes allows for nice optimisations
20:04 <pippijn> such as this branchless conditional move
20:04 <Monkey_arma> please dont fiddle with your bits in this channel..we dont want to see that
20:04 <Monkey_arma> at least let me turn away first
20:05 <wrtlprnft> well, turn away
20:05 <pippijn> can I make strace print numeric ids of syscalls instead of their names?
20:06 <epsy> man...damn these char*
20:06 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: 00101010b += (10110010b << 23) & (0101011b - 00101010b)
20:07 <wrtlprnft> 5 seconds left for an answer
20:07 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: 00101010b += (10110010b >> 23) & (0101011b - 00101010b)
20:07 <wrtlprnft> goddamnit!
20:07  * epsy hesitates about using tString( c ).SubStr()
20:08 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: write your own strace
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20:32 <pippijn> oh
20:32 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: yes, I just did
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20:37 <QUARG> wrtlprnft: my build works:)
20:45 <QUARG> o and i suppose you know about the player list bug in the latest svn?
20:47 <epsy> does rebeautify affect makefiles ? :þ
20:51 <pippijn> no
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20:57 <wrtlprnft> epsy: better back up your work before doing rebeautify
20:58 <wrtlprnft> it started adding spaces in lots of placed for no good reason
20:58 <epsy> ok
21:18 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: oh, sorry, just read your message
21:19 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: blame epsy for the missing player names
21:19 <wrtlprnft> :-P
21:19 <QUARG> ah
21:19  * ct|kyle kills epsy :D
21:19 <QUARG> tbut the zone height works
21:19 <QUARG> :)
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21:19 <epsy> ah, i fixed that, but got to work on sth else
21:19 <wrtlprnft> not a real surprise
21:19 <ct|kyle> who do i blame for not allowing - in map names
21:20 <epsy> once i get sth that compiles i'll commit
21:20 <wrtlprnft> about the zone height
21:20 <epsy> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> ct|kyle: me, but there's a reason.
21:20 <ct|kyle> i think there is only about 5 maps in ctwf that have that
21:20 <ct|kyle> octa-nan
21:20 <wrtlprnft> if you allow - in names AND versions you lose the ability to figure out the version and name from the file path
21:21 <wrtlprnft> it's not fatal as maps contain their own metadata. Textures don't, however
21:21 <ct|kyle> ah
21:21 <wrtlprnft> blame the guy who didn't add that restriction right from the beginning
21:21 <ct|kyle> ya really :D
21:22 <wrtlprnft> it would be great if you fixed it on CTWF :-)
21:22 <QUARG> tok sorry the phona rang
21:22 <ct|kyle> only 3 maps
21:22 <ct|kyle> ya i'll fix them
21:22 <ct|kyle> sometime
21:22 <wrtlprnft> :-)
21:22 <QUARG> so wrtl you are not surprised that the zone height worked
21:22 <epsy> seems to compile, but i wont be sure if color filtering will work ;)
21:23 <ct|kyle> actually I'll fix them in the new stuff
21:23 <wrtlprnft> color filtering?
21:23 <epsy> yes, i've moved things around about tColors and such
21:24 <epsy> actually wanting to do sth to filter only dark colors
21:24 <epsy> something i've wanted since ages X_x
21:25  * epsy hopes arma wont crash X again :|
21:25 <QUARG> wondering if the name bug was fixedand if the new source is available?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: it's fixed, but epsy didn't commit it before starting to work on something else
21:26 <wrtlprnft> so we'll have to wait till he commits both things together
21:26 <QUARG> will do thnx
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21:33 <epsy> QUARG, up on bzr
21:33 <QUARG> its a compresion format right?
21:33 <QUARG> like zip
21:33  * wrtlprnft pokes z-man's bzr→svn bot
21:33 <wrtlprnft> no
21:33 <wrtlprnft> it's a vcs
21:33 <wrtlprnft> like svn
21:33 <QUARG> then no
21:33 <epsy> QUARG, bzr ? no, it's a vcs, like svn
21:34 <epsy> heh
21:34 <wrtlprnft> and they all are a part of the tla group
21:34 <QUARG> i have a link to my .dmg i built with the client in it
21:35 <QUARG> http://modemcable187.12-200-24.mc.videotron.ca:81/~QUARG/QSource/Tron/
21:35 <wrtlprnft> a trunk build would be sweet
21:35 <QUARG> the only thing that i chaged was the zone height
21:35 <QUARG> and youve lost me again :P
21:35 <epsy> ok now i have IsDark, it's time to do dark color filtering :)
21:36 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: trunk = what is to become 0.3.1
21:36 <QUARG> then what is 2..8.3?
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21:37 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.* is our stable branch
21:37 <wrtlprnft> (the branch is just called 0.2.8, actually)
21:37 <ct|kyle> 0.3.0 is tagged then?
21:37 <wrtlprnft> all the changes in that branch eventually go to the trunk, too, whenever z-man-work feels like merging
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ct|kyle: 0.3.0 is a branch, too, but it's dead now. development has moved back to the trunk
21:38 <QUARG> plz define trunk and branch plz
21:38 <QUARG> plz
21:38 <QUARG> :)
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21:39 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that's the 0.2.8 branch
21:39 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that's the trunk
21:40 <wrtlprnft> the trunk is the place where all development eventually goes
21:40 <wrtlprnft> bugfixes and little features are done in 0.2.8, bigger features don't affect that version
21:41 <QUARG> so by climbing back up the tree to 2.8 you have created a second trunk?
21:41 <QUARG> parallel to 3.0?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> nonono
21:42 <wrtlprnft> you create a branch from the branch whenever you want to stabilize something or develop a really big and questionable feature
21:42 <wrtlprnft> if the development in that branch is any good it'll be merged back to the trunk
21:42 <QUARG> ok so its like making a copy of an original to work out the kinks
21:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:43 <QUARG> ok i get it
21:43 <QUARG> thnx
21:43 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:43  * wrtlprnft sucks at explaining stuff
21:44 <QUARG> so in saying this "a trunk build would be sweet" you meant that it would be nice if z-man could comit?
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21:44 <QUARG> so that the name bug would be fixed
21:44 <wrtlprnft> no
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21:45 <wrtlprnft> the trunk contains lots of interesting new features that 0.2.8 doesn't have
21:45 <wrtlprnft> but we currently don't have a current mac build
21:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8332 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs):
21:45 <epsy> jesus, bazaarmagetron really sleeps hard
21:45 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:45 <epsy> hahaha
21:45 <armabot> armagetronad: author: epsy
21:45 <armabot> armagetronad: Ah, i shouldn't code on mornings, names on client will really, i promise, appear again.
21:45 <QUARG> a then what would it take to have a mac build of the trunk?
21:45 <armabot> armagetronad: Also restructured tColor, changed it to a class, added tColor::IsDark() and construction of a tColor from a color code. Set rFont.cpp to use it.
21:45 <epsy> armabottie sleeps too :)
21:45 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: no idea
21:46 <wrtlprnft> epsy: or the CIA bot, maybe it's busy with other stuff
21:46 <epsy> possible
21:47 <wrtlprnft> aaah, I don't want to be the guy who merges that commit to the trunk
21:48 <QUARG>  how do i go about getting the trunk?
21:48 <epsy> bzr co lp:armagetronad :)
21:48 <wrtlprnft> same way as getting the 0.2.8 branch
21:48 <wrtlprnft> just replace branches/0.2.8 by trunk (assuming you use SVN)
21:49 <QUARG> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/
21:49 <QUARG> this ?
21:49 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:49 <QUARG> ok i see now
21:49 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gServerBrowser.cpp?r1=8332&r2=8331&pathrev=8332
21:49 <wrtlprnft> sounds useful :-P
21:50 <epsy> lol
21:50 <epsy> started editing it but didn't do anything
21:50 <QUARG> what are you guys in the middle of?
21:50 <epsy> or maybe it just didn't compile, not quite sure
21:51 <wrtlprnft> epsy: heh, it's no problem. I usually do a svn diff before i commit to see if any useless lines got in
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ask epsy.
21:52 <epsy> QUARG, FILTER_DARK_COLORS_STRINGS, _TEAM, _NAMES
21:52 <QUARG> ah
21:52 <wrtlprnft> color = tColor( tString( c ).SubStr( 0, 8 ) );
21:52 <epsy> yes..what would be better ? :-(
21:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the string could be quite long in the case of a console message
21:53  * luke-jr notes all the development seems to be going on in branches/0.2.8 and predicts an abandonment of trunk.
21:53 <epsy> well when someone schedules 0.2.8.3 on april 1st :þ
21:53 <wrtlprnft> well one hack would be to memorize c[8], replace it by 0, use the char const * constructor of tColor and restore the old value of c[8]
21:54  * luke-jr notes that 0.2.8 isn't supposed to introduce any bugs or possibly negative effects, yet it's still preferred for development.
21:54 <epsy> \0 you mean?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:54 <wrtlprnft> or have the char const * constructor only use the first 8 chars of the string
21:54 <epsy> hacky :þ
21:54 <epsy> how?
21:55 <wrtlprnft> don't convert to a tString and directly use the char const *
21:56 <wrtlprnft> also, taking a tString by value isn't exactly efficient
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21:56 <wrtlprnft> sorry to bug you with all this, but my framerate is already low enough
21:57 <epsy> np, i'm worried by mine too
21:58 <wrtlprnft> torres: struct A {A(){} A(int){A();}}; int main() {A a(42);}
21:58 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
21:58 <wrtlprnft> wow, i didn't know this was correct syntax
22:01 <wrtlprnft> also I wonder if it wouldn't be better not to use strlen but a function that stops after 8 chars
22:01 <wrtlprnft> something like str_longer_than
22:02 <wrtlprnft> who cares if the string has a length of 4242 chars if all we really want to know is if it's at least 8 chars
22:09 <epsy> we could be iterating trought the 1st n characters to see if we have a \0
22:09 <epsy> trough*
22:09 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
22:09 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if there's a library function for that
22:12 <wrtlprnft> bool strlengthmin(char const *s, size_t l) { for(; l > 0; --l, ++s) if(*s == 0) return false; return true; }
22:12 <wrtlprnft> something like that
22:13 <wrtlprnft> torres: bool strlengthmin(char const *s, size_t l) { for(; l > 0; --l, ++s) if(*s == 0) return false; return true; } int main(cout << strlengthmin("hi", 2);)
22:13 <torres> expected `)' before ';' token
22:14 <wrtlprnft> torres: bool strlengthmin(char const *s, size_t l) { for(; l > 0; --l, ++s) if(*s == 0) return false; return true; } int main(){cout << strlengthmin("hi", 2);}
22:14 <torres> true
22:14 <wrtlprnft> stupid me
22:14 <wrtlprnft> torres: bool strlengthmin(char const *s, size_t l) { for(; l > 0; --l, ++s) if(*s == 0) return false; return true; } int main(){cout << strlengthmin("hi", 3);}
22:14 <torres> false
22:15 <wrtlprnft> torres: bool strlengthmin(char const *s, size_t l) { for(; l > 0; --l, ++s) if(*s == 0) return false; return true; } int main(){cout << strlengthmin("hi", 1);}
22:15 <torres> true
22:15 <wrtlprnft> that seems to work
22:15 <wrtlprnft> i wonder how much faster strlen is for small strings
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23:15 <K-Yo> anything new here?
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23:23 <ct|kyle> K-Yo: me :D
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23:28 <Monkey_arma> nothing is new..are you crazy....i went away for 6 months, came back and nothing is different
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23:41 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, did I already slept with your mum 6 month ago? I don't think so...
23:44 <Monkey_arma> ???
23:44  * Monkey_arma hands K-Yo medication
23:46  * K-Yo 's had shakes too much because of drugs
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02:14 <flex> monkeh
02:16 <Monkey_arma> hellooo flex
02:16 <flex> what you up to? :)
02:16 <Monkey_arma> would you believe it i was chatting to sticky
02:17 <Monkey_arma> or stickynoob as he is called
02:17 <flex> on irc?
02:17 <Monkey_arma> yes
02:17 <flex> private channel huh..
02:17 <flex> kinky fellas
02:17 <Monkey_arma> hehe
02:18 <Monkey_arma> i havent really spoke much to him before...we had a very good chat
02:18 <Monkey_arma> will do more in the future
02:18 <flex> what about
02:18 <Monkey_arma> about you and only you
02:18 <Monkey_arma> the petition against flex will be up soon
02:18 <flex> :((
02:18 <Monkey_arma> no petition really
02:19 <flex> good for you Monkey_arma!
02:20 <Monkey_arma> are you looking forward to getting smashed in the ffff?
02:20 <flex> haha
02:20 <flex> yes, i'm waiting quite abit
02:20 <flex> are you signed up?
02:20 <Monkey_arma> yes
02:20 <flex> great
02:20 <flex> which fucked up team are you in :p
02:21 <Monkey_arma> look at the roster
02:21 <flex> I can't find you :p
02:22 <Monkey_arma> i am MeSoHorny
02:23 <flex> why the fuck is everyone using silly names..
02:23 <flex> we only went with the idea of using a silly team name and tag..
02:23 <Monkey_arma> :)
02:23 <Monkey_arma> me so sooorrreeeee
02:24 <flex> how much for 10 dollars
02:24 <Monkey_arma> everything ...twice
02:24 <flex> everything?
02:24 <Monkey_arma> ...
02:25 <Monkey_arma> almost everything....
02:25 <flex> aww
02:25 <Monkey_arma> nobumsex...
02:25 <Monkey_arma> heh
02:25 <flex> how comes you never signed up for the tst :p
02:26 <Monkey_arma> i have no fps for sumo
02:26 <flex> right
02:26 <Monkey_arma> flex...when you are marked as away lol
02:27  * Monkey_arma cant write good english
02:27 <flex> don't use it much
02:27 <flex> decided to use it yesterday when i went bed
02:27 <StickyNoob> yo flex
02:27 <flex> hey sticky
02:28 <flex> Monkey_arma, urm.. bankok?
02:28 <Monkey_arma> yes?
02:28 <flex> is that bank-ok or ban-kok
02:28 <Monkey_arma> it is as in bang cock
02:29 <Monkey_arma> it is a double-entendre i think that is what you call it anyway
02:30 <flex> bang is what makes bangkok!
02:30 <Monkey_arma> exactly
02:30 <Monkey_arma> err...
02:30 <Monkey_arma> am i missing something?
02:30 <flex> the g
02:30 <Monkey_arma> cant we spell?
02:31 <Monkey_arma> i will check
02:31 <flex> without the g.. no
02:31 <Monkey_arma> shit you are right...we are complete idiots
02:31 <Monkey_arma> i will get epsy to change it
02:31 <flex> yeah!
02:31 <flex> team leader can edit the team roster
02:32 <Monkey_arma> hey...we cant have brains as well as beauty
02:32 <flex> sarcasm is in the air tonight!
02:32 <Monkey_arma> sarcasm? where?
02:32 <Monkey_arma> ...
02:32 <flex> who's in your team
02:33 <Monkey_arma> guess
02:33 <flex> you, epsy
02:33 <Monkey_arma> yes very good ....
02:34 <flex> i'm no mind reader..
02:34 <Monkey_arma> ok do you want a clue?
02:34 <flex> sure
02:34 <Monkey_arma> one of them is in your clan...
02:34 <flex> aeon?
02:34 <Monkey_arma> yes very good
02:34 <Monkey_arma> clue #2.... the other one likes garlic and frogs
02:35 <flex> wrtlprnft? :p
02:35 <Monkey_arma> hehe
02:35 <Monkey_arma> no
02:35 <flex> random guess
02:35 <Monkey_arma> clearly
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02:36 <flex> kyo?
02:36 <Monkey_arma> no...but good guesswork ....
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02:36 <flex> p4?
02:37 <Monkey_arma> er.....isnt he polish?
02:37 <flex> oh yeah
02:37 <flex> alright, i give up
02:37 <Monkey_arma> sativa(dimbiman)
02:37 <Monkey_arma> and we may have one more
02:37 <flex> he's in our clan as well..
02:37 <Monkey_arma> hehe is he?
02:37 <flex> you said "one"
02:37 <flex> yes, he's Bip
02:37 <flex> Cid
02:37 <flex> whatever
02:38 <Monkey_arma> i didnt know he is in your clan..i been away
02:38 <Monkey_arma> man is there anyone not in your clan?
02:38 <flex> so that makes it an X combination :p
02:38 <Monkey_arma> yup
02:38 <flex> what are your positions..
02:38 <Monkey_arma> we are x team #1 and you are x team #2
02:38 <Monkey_arma> our positions are bent over and legs spread eagle
02:38 <flex> yeah.. guess you just make us secondary :(
02:39 <Monkey_arma> i dont know about positions..we dont think that far ahead
02:39 <Monkey_arma> if we turn up it will do me
02:39 <flex> lol
02:39 <flex> you're in x standards now! ;)
02:40 <Monkey_arma> yes i realise i will have to lower my standards....never mind
02:40 <flex> so you'll be looking at good results for once :p
02:40 <Monkey_arma> i will play with just my left foot..
02:40 <Monkey_arma> blindfolded
02:40 <flex> aw don't increase your efforts for us..
02:40 <StickyNoob> wow the $usd is realy nose diving
02:41 <Monkey_arma> god bless america!
02:41 <StickyNoob> http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSL1758265520080317 apparently even exchange places are refusing them
02:42 <flex> ouch!
02:42 <flex> that's scary...
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02:44 <flex> fonkeh
02:44 <flex> are you here looking for a party again? :)
02:45 <Monkey_arma> fonkay! hellooo
02:45 <Monkey_arma> another long time no C
02:45 <flex> and D
02:46 <Monkey_arma> have you noticed how quiet they all are in this channel flex..then we come along...
02:46 <flex> it kind of gets alive afew moments..
02:46 <Monkey_arma> we add a special something to it
02:46 <fonkay> it's me
02:47 <flex> yes you exist..
02:47 <fonkay> I'm always lookin' for a prty, where the ladies at?
02:47 <fonkay> Spidey>?
02:47 <flex> spidey is not a female.. you tricked me :(
02:48 <Monkey_arma> i only found out today that flash is female..i thought flash was a he uptil yesterday lol
02:48 <fonkay> he is too..
02:48 <Monkey_arma> fuckers they lied to me ...?
02:48 <flex> haha Monkey_arma, same
02:49 <flex> well not today, but awhile ago
02:49 <Monkey_arma> when i first played everyone told me legit was female and i believed them for ages
02:49 <Monkey_arma> *fuckers*
02:49 <flex> jeez
02:50 <flex> i was kind of mean to flash..
02:50 <fonkay> spidey's not female... but he's still a girl
02:51 <flex> that's not what you said last time..
02:52 <Monkey_arma> i thought fonkay was female too..until now
02:52 <Monkey_arma> heh
02:52  * Monkey_arma is a thicko
02:52 <fonkay> why?
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02:53 <Monkey_arma> your name sounds like a female or unisex name
02:53 <Monkey_arma> its hard to tell in this game
02:53 <spidey_> ...
02:53 <flex> she is a female..
02:53 <Monkey_arma> i remeber when someone told me kriki was a female....i thought "fuck off"
02:54 <flex> Monkey is a Moon-Walking Bear
02:54 <Monkey_arma> why does a female ask where the ladies are....
02:54 <spidey_> not a female! there's no such thing on the internet!
02:54 <Monkey_arma> i must be really thick or something
02:54 <flex> maybe.. she's kinky for some..
02:55 <fonkay> so, so what?
02:55 <Monkey_arma> not that it matters
02:55 <Monkey_arma> exactly
02:56 <fonkay> I am a girl though... You would know if you were on the forums.
02:56 <spidey_> liar
02:56 <Monkey_arma> heh see..
02:56 <Monkey_arma> there are so many wind up merchants and piss takers in this game...they tell you any old shit
02:56 <spidey_> fonkay's a shemale >:P
02:57 <Monkey_arma> i pretty much know what is what now...at least i think i do
02:57 <fonkay> haha
02:57 <flex> you know nothing Monkey
02:57  * Monkey_arma knows FA
02:57 <fonkay> SFA
02:58 <Monkey_arma> yup
02:58 <spidey_> #ping
02:58 <armabot> pong
02:58 <flex> pong
02:58 <fonkay> spidey and I are lesbian lovers after all
02:58 <Monkey_arma> aha
02:58 <spidey_> <3
02:59 <flex> well.. monkey and I are lesbian lovers too
02:59 <spidey_> >:(
02:59 <Monkey_arma> <3 flex
02:59 <fonkay> <3?
02:59 <Monkey_arma> we are both female... arent we flex baby
02:59 <flex> no no monkey, it's £>
02:59 <flex> the british way ;)
03:00 <Monkey_arma> oO
03:00  * Monkey_arma really knows FA
03:00 <Monkey_arma> ok i try again
03:00  * Monkey_arma >3 flex
03:00 <flex> !!!!
03:00 <flex> £>
03:00  * Monkey_arma 3> flex
03:00 <flex> £>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>
03:00 <flex> £>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>
03:00 <flex> £>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>£>
03:00  * Monkey_arma > flex
03:00 <flex> oops
03:01 <flex> lol!
03:01 <Monkey_arma> lol indeed
03:01 <flex> nobody will notice :p
03:01 <Monkey_arma> na...
03:01 <flex> hibernation is the norm here
03:01 <Monkey_arma> it sure is
03:02 <fonkay> spam much?
03:02 <fonkay> flood flood
03:02 <Monkey_arma> not a lot
03:02 <flex> not much.. come here often?
03:02 <fonkay> no
03:02 <fonkay> i come here more than I play arma though
03:03 <fonkay> I tried playing today.. but everyone was shouting noob at me ... so i quit
03:03 <Monkey_arma> hah
03:03 <flex> try another server..
03:03 <spidey_> fonkay, noob!
03:03 <Monkey_arma> try fort cafe...they wouldnt treat you like that
03:03 <Monkey_arma> they would treat you worse...
03:04 <Monkey_arma> I have noticed that the servers are no more full than a year ago
03:04 <flex> rubber is for noobs.. i dunno what they're on about
03:04 <Monkey_arma> its a worrying state
03:04 <Monkey_arma> flex, rubber IS for noobs
03:05 <flex> that's what i said..
03:05 <fonkay> i used to recognizable.. 'til my hiatus
03:05 <flex> use the colour pink and you should have a less harder time ;)
03:05 <luke-jr> PLAYER_RANDOM_COLOR 1
03:05 <Monkey_arma> use another nick
03:06 <flex> luke-jr is here
03:06 <flex> 0m0g
03:06 <fonkay> i always use pink
03:06 <flex> me too
03:06 <fonkay> :) doesn't tell you much
03:06 <flex> na actually i've never used pink before
03:06 <StickyNoob> yo luke-jr wuzzuuuup
03:07 <spidey_> wait
03:07 <spidey_> you mean people still play this game? :O
03:07 <fonkay> not me
03:07 <fonkay> like i said
03:07 <Monkey_arma> if you are register in the forums they can make you admin
03:08 <flex> f0 real..
03:08 <Monkey_arma> then just kick any retards
03:08 <StickyNoob> ahhh an appropriate use of power i see
03:08 <Monkey_arma> heh...of course what else is power for :)
03:09 <Monkey_arma> note to who ever removed the kick poll from nexus server: BAD idea
03:09 <flex> N9_kiwi
03:09 <fonkay> i'm admin on shrunk.
03:09 <spidey_> i'm admin of the world
03:09 <Monkey_arma> so is Dr evil joe tron
03:09 <spidey_> o.O
03:10 <Monkey_arma> no one plays shrunk any more
03:10 <fonkay> i know... which sucks
03:10 <flex> imagine cafe with no vote kick..
03:10 <flex> i wouldn't care
03:10 <fonkay> joe isn't evil
03:10 <StickyNoob> im admin of #yourmum
03:10 <Monkey_arma> cafe with no vote kick would be unimaginable
03:10 <spidey_> i'm telling mom
03:10 <flex> lol^ he is really the admin
03:10 <spidey_> next time i see him
03:10 <Monkey_arma> that is the point of cafe
03:11 <fonkay> your_mom is also admin on shrunk i think.
03:11 <fonkay> I miss shrunk... and silly before he went all crazy.
03:12 <fonkay> oh.. and DWH.. i miss them too.
03:12 <Monkey_arma> dwh?
03:12 <flex> Monkey_arma want to come nexus9?
03:12 <Monkey_arma> ye ok
03:13 <fonkay> clan that was only around for a short time.. or team or whatever.
03:13 <Monkey_arma> ah
03:13 <Monkey_arma> cu there flex....anyone else coming to nexus no rubbber?
03:13 <spidey_> i am!
03:13 <flex> na they're all gay
03:13  * fonkay doesn't play
03:13 <flex> want a cookie fonkay?
03:13 <fonkay> what kind?
03:13 <spidey_> peanutbutter?
03:14 <fonkay> naw... you keep it
03:14 <spidey_> hey
03:14 <spidey_> those rock :(
03:14 <fonkay> for those who aren't deadly allergic they are.. i'm sure
03:14 <spidey_> hey, you can only die once ;p
03:14 <fonkay> even if they are only imaginary.
03:15 <spidey_> that'd suck
03:15 <spidey_> die from peanut butter
03:15 <spidey_> i'd be ashamed
03:15 <fonkay> That would suck to be so allergic you can't even imagine eating peanut butter
03:16 <spidey_> thank god the only thing i'm allergic to is my brother
03:16 <spidey_> ;D
03:16 <fonkay> i'm allergic to blackflies.
03:16 <spidey_> ...
03:16 <fonkay> and aspartame
03:16 <spidey_> hey
03:16 <spidey_> don't use 50 cent words !
03:16 <fonkay> ?
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03:16 <spidey_> um
03:16 <fbt> anyone in for a match?
03:17 <fonkay> you light it.
03:17 <spidey_> haha
03:17 <fbt> where's the Any key?
03:17 <fonkay> spidey can blow it.
03:17 <spidey_> negative
03:17 <fonkay> affirmative.
03:17 <spidey_> no :(
03:18 <fonkay> affirmative.
03:18 <spidey_> don't make me tell deja_vu on you :|
03:18 <fonkay> don't make me get luci to eat your face,
03:19 <fonkay> :T
03:19 <spidey_> OH YEA
03:19 <spidey_> i'll ask him :>
03:19 <fonkay> ?
03:20 <spidey_> see if he'll eat my face
03:21 <flex> keep talking, you lag monkey ingame
03:21 <flex> everytime someone says something on irc
03:21 <spidey_> Monkey_arma, ping
03:22 <Monkey_arma> it might be my wm
03:22 <Monkey_arma> nope its still fecked
03:23 <fonkay> he's lucifer.. the devil, Damian, Beelzebub, The Evil One, Mephistopheles, Satan, diablo, a hellion, sin. Of course he will.
03:23 <Monkey_arma> i have a 364 ping
03:24 <flex> turn off the gay porno maybe
03:25 <fonkay> i thought you liked the gay pron flex.
03:25 <Monkey_arma> damn i cant lose that
03:26 <Monkey_arma> my ping is 150 but its still doing it
03:26 <flex> 150 is good there
03:26 <Monkey_arma> xmms message says bug file a report
03:26 <Monkey_arma> :(
03:26 <flex> it's american so what do you expect
03:26 <Monkey_arma> but i got rid of xmms and still feckeed
03:26 <Monkey_arma> i know 150 is good
03:27 <fonkay> ko, I'm out.
03:27 <fonkay> ciao
03:27 <Monkey_arma> cu
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03:29 <Monkey_arma> bedtime for me too ....cu folks
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03:33 <flex> #ping
03:33 <armabot> pong
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05:59 <Durka_> o_O
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05:59 <Durka> there we go
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08:12 <flex> #ping
08:12 <armabot> pong
09:02 <wrtlprnft> flex? :p
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09:30 <flex> wrtlprnft, yeah?
09:57 <wrtlprnft> 02:35 #armagetron: <flex> wrtlprnft? :p
09:58 <flex> oh hehe
09:58  * wrtlprnft loves frogs
09:58 <flex> and garlic
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10:55 <Durka> wrtlprnft :P
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Durka really sucks! :-)
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12:36 <spidey_> deja_vu,
12:36 <spidey_> liar!
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15:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8333 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Primitive help system. See settings_dedicated.cfg:339 for a description of the new commands
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15:25  * wrtlprnft is pondering about a TEACH command that sends a help message to someone without them asking
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16:06 <pippijn> teach xxx about yyy?
16:06 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c1746d8185d8f4a7d90c8ff59abda303.txt
16:06 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/65ad7c0d1ba555c3ba5135b3d3a1905c.txt <- the generated code from the former paste
16:07 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: do that again and I'll TEACH you how to shove that lightcycle up your ****
16:10 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: do what again?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: case /foo/?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> what the!
16:12 <wrtlprnft> but that's not an operator trick, right? it's some sort of preprocessor
16:13 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: just demonstrating my own kind of TEACH command
16:14 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:15 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: it's a preprocessor
16:16 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
16:16 <pippijn> called rio
16:16 <pippijn> written by me
16:16 <wrtlprnft> i thought you found out how to get a unary operator / (prefix and postfix) for char const *
16:17 <pippijn> it's not possible to write that kind of things with operator overloading
16:18 <pippijn> there is no way to get lexemes to work
16:18 <pippijn> I had an approach of that earlier
16:18 <pippijn> but it worked only for kleene star and had no parentheses
16:20 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/9a5a4e4377c0dd2c6c90671c6f5e8300.txt <- output from the regexp stuff
16:21 <wrtlprnft> if i want to match everything, can i use // ;-)
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16:23 <pippijn> no, you use _
16:23 <pippijn> actually _ is "default"
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16:23 <pippijn> you can use //, yes
16:26 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/2932c7cbb2f17d1d05cfc1533b0c87e3.txt <- datatype generation
16:27 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: and list literals
16:29 <wrtlprnft> crazy.
16:29 <wrtlprnft> call your new language E.
16:30 <pippijn> it's not a new language per se
16:30 <pippijn> it's just a set of C++ extensions
16:30 <pippijn> like a more powerful preprocessor
16:31 <pippijn> oh in fact, I want to build a better preprocessor
16:31 <pippijn> I have a syntax proposal for it
16:31 <pippijn> maybe you have comments on that
16:31 <pippijn> (sec, writing an example)
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16:33 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/4e180affc1d8a485cbfab13411031017.txt
16:33 <pippijn> I know, sucky example
16:34 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/4a8330ab3ceb085d8b27667251629d38.txt <- with use
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16:35 <wrtlprnft> what's ##?
16:35 <pippijn> standard C preprocessor directive
16:35 <pippijn> concatenation
16:35 <pippijn> torres: int main () {
16:35 <pippijn> torres: #define concat(a, b) a ## b
16:35 <pippijn> torres: concat (c, out) << "hello"; }
16:35 <torres> hello
16:36 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
16:37 <wrtlprnft> so you'll have a printi function afterwards?
16:37 <pippijn> yes
16:37 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/fb15d874afcf1267a0be279d4e90020b.txt
16:37 <pippijn> this would be the expansion
16:38 <pippijn> but with #begin and #end probably
16:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/0aab5f3b9669ec3b32d310c9fc51a553.txt
16:47 <z-man-work> eeeeeeeeeppppppsssssssyyyyyyyy!
16:47 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: should that be implemented or do you deem it useless?
16:47 <z-man-work> #later tell epsy compilation breakage in rFont.cpp
16:47 <armabot> z-man-work: The operation succeeded.
16:49 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8334 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Avoiding needless copies of default help topics in memory (and fixing array element count bug on the go).
16:49 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: well, you could use tons of backslashes…
16:50 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: but you would get an expansion on a single line
16:50 <wrtlprnft> true
16:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: heh, you gain a couple fewer copies at startup, but a lot of checks whether the map has already been initialzied every time it's used, and possibly even a function call
16:53  * wrtlprnft is just trying to defend his solution
16:54 <z-man-work> Yeah :)
16:55 <z-man-work> And the copies in the initialization array would persist over the whole program, so the memory gain of my solution is permanent :)
16:55 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's true
16:55 <z-man-work> You're right about the check, of course, but then again, the singleton type initialization is generally safer than static elements.
16:56 <z-man-work> Just in case some weird code path accesses the eHelpTopic functions before the map is initialized.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> se_defaultHelpTopics + sizeof(se_defaultHelpTopics)/sizeof(eHelpTopic)
16:56 <wrtlprnft> ouch
16:57 <wrtlprnft> i guess that's why it's dangerous.
16:57 <z-man-work> typically, you use sizeof(array)/sizeof(array[0]).
16:57 <z-man-work> Some people even define a macro for that.
16:58  * wrtlprnft has never seen that, but it sounds like a good idea
16:58 <wrtlprnft> or just sizeof(array)/sizeof(*array), which makes it clear that the array can be empty, too :-P
16:58 <z-man-work> There's a guru article about the pitfalls of it, I think.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> i vaguely remember something
16:59 <z-man-work> Something about "what if the class overloads operator x".
16:59  * wrtlprnft is surprised his code didn't crash
16:59 <z-man-work> It did for me :)
17:00 <wrtlprnft> oh
17:01 <wrtlprnft> in fact it didn't crash with armathentication enabled, and it didn't crash with the #ifdef (and the #else and #endif) commented out
17:02  * wrtlprnft still has to move the fullscreen message function to network/ or engine/
17:02 <z-man-work> Yeah, I've seen it work on Cafe, but it somehow instantly crashed for me.
17:02 <z-man-work> Must have been anti-gremlins :)
17:02 <wrtlprnft> hehe. At least it crashed for someone, that's probably a good thing
17:03 <wrtlprnft> did you read my line in here about a /teach command that sends a help message to someone?
17:03 <z-man-work> Yeah, because it may just be one of those errors valgrind can't catch.
17:03 <wrtlprnft> /teach player_1 game
17:03 <z-man-work> And no, what does it do?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> send player_1 the contents of the game help topic
17:04 <z-man-work> Ah, a rtfm command :)
17:04 <wrtlprnft> heh, i like that
17:04 <wrtlprnft> s/teach/rtfm/
17:05 <z-man-work> Grr, epsy broke more than just compilation in his latest commit.
17:05 <wrtlprnft> he did break compilation?
17:05 <z-man-work> All colored text and the score display are gone.
17:05 <z-man-work> For the client, yes.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> haha
17:06 <wrtlprnft> actually his current implementation has its own problems
17:06 <z-man-work> Permission granted to everyone to slap him.
17:06 <z-man-work> orly?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> well
17:06 <wrtlprnft> 0xffffff<some really long text, like the console>
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it makes a tString out of everything including the 0x, just to do SubStr(0,8)
17:07 <wrtlprnft> for every color code, obviously
17:07 <luke-jr> lol
17:08 <wrtlprnft> on the other hand, calling strlen() on it isn't especially smart, either, considering that you only care if it's at least 8 chars and could stop after that
17:09 <z-man-work> Yeah, I replaced some of them with strnlen.
17:09 <z-man-work> Did we then find out that doesn't exist on the mac?
17:09 <wrtlprnft> NAME
17:09 <wrtlprnft>        strnlen - determine the length of a fixed-size string
17:09 <wrtlprnft> SYNOPSIS
17:09 <wrtlprnft>        #define _GNU_SOURCE
17:09 <z-man-work> Umm, wtf was epsy doing there anyway?
17:10 <wrtlprnft> no surprise there
17:10 <wrtlprnft> he wanted to move the code that determins if a color is dark
17:10 <wrtlprnft> so he could use it somewhere else
17:10 <wrtlprnft> *determines
17:11 <luke-jr> make it so it sends him an email asking if the colour is dark, and waits for his reply
17:11 <luke-jr> every time
17:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: so, where would you prefer sg_FullscreenMessage to be? in network or engine?
17:12 <z-man-work> Does network have everything it needs for the implementation?
17:12 <z-man-work> It delegates stuff to tConsole, which has a callback to do the rendering, right?
17:13 <z-man-work> If it's possible in network, I see no reason not to put it there.
17:14 <luke-jr> someone should release 0.2.8.2.1 since 0.2.8.3 is going to be horribly buggy
17:14 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2.1 is already released.
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17:14 <luke-jr> 0.2.8.2.2 then
17:14  * z-man-work SLAPS EPSY
17:14 <luke-jr> or maybe 0.2.8.2.1.1
17:14  * z-man-work SLAPS EPSY AGAIN
17:15 <z-man-work> that much for a friendly greeting :)
17:15  * wrtlprnft slaps epsy because z-man does it and he must be right™
17:16  * luke-jr pulls epsy's hair
17:16  * eddiefantastic pokes epsy in the eye
17:16 <wrtlprnft> that's a bad boy epsy
17:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what would 0.2.8.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 be for?
17:17 <luke-jr> bugfixes
17:17 <wrtlprnft> what bugs?
17:18  * wrtlprnft doesn't understand what sg_FullscreenMessage does exactly
17:18 <z-man-work> Let's switch to binary version numbers.
17:18 <luke-jr> no clue, but you have plenty now :þ
17:18 <z-man-work> 0.1.0.0.1.1.0.1.0.1
17:18 <luke-jr> z-man-work: Perl was just getting rid of those
17:18 <luke-jr> oh, like that
17:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: we'd have to go to 1.* to keep the ordering
17:19 <luke-jr> Perl lets you put literals like v0.2.8.3
17:19 <z-man-work> oh right
17:19 <luke-jr> which makes a string \x00\x02\x08\x03
17:19 <luke-jr> so you can do v0.2.8.3 < v0.2.8.2.1
17:19 <luke-jr> (=> false)
17:21 <luke-jr> btw, you all scared epsy out of IRC
17:23  * z-man-work wants a working client
17:24 <wrtlprnft> get the trunk
17:24 <wrtlprnft> it's less buggy than 0.2.8. Yay!
17:26 <luke-jr> svn revert :þ
17:26 <luke-jr> actually
17:26 <luke-jr> svn merge -r bla:working
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17:36 <z-man-work> #later tell epsy you can't call one constructor from the other the way you did in tColor::tColor( char const *), that just creates a temporary object.
17:36 <armabot> z-man-work: The operation succeeded.
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17:42 <z-man-work> There, that should do it.
17:45 <z-man-work> Except that I still don't see the names of other players in network games in the score table.
17:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8335 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Fixed performance problems (string duplication) and bugs in color code interpretation.
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: lol!
17:49 <wrtlprnft> the constructor thing
17:49 <wrtlprnft> it's the java way, i guess
17:49 <z-man-work> could be.
17:50 <wrtlprnft> this(<args>)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> as first statement in the constructor
17:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8336 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tColor.cpp): Manuel Moos: "we" forgot to initialize the alpha value :)
17:58 <wrtlprnft> we should slap ourselves instead of epsy or z-man.
17:58 <z-man-work> Sure, go ahead.
17:58  * z-man-work slaps we
18:00 <wrtlprnft> oh, goon is go-on
18:00 <wrtlprnft> took me a while to figure out
18:01 <wrtlprnft> well, a couple of seconds at least
18:01 <z-man-work> heh, I use that in a couple of places :)
18:02 <wrtlprnft> my problem is that sg_FullscreenMessage really can't be moved easily because of the code that holds the game if the message is for everyone
18:02 <z-man-work> You could put that code into a callback function.
18:03 <wrtlprnft> or just wrap the entire function
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19:39 <Durka> weir
19:39 <Durka> weird*
19:39 <Durka> wrtlprnft: you're the only one ever here that's remotely helpful
19:40 <Durka> :D
19:40  * deja_vu is locally helpful :>
19:41 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I now have a basic preprocessor that knows #(if|else|elif|endif), #include, #error and #line
19:41 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: #define and friends are coming now
19:43 <wrtlprnft> neat…
19:43 <wrtlprnft> Durka: hmm, maybe i'm too nice to be a dev
19:44 <Durka> wrtlprnft: I got 20+ errors when trying to compile last night :P
19:45 <wrtlprnft> oh yeah, epsy caused that
19:45 <wrtlprnft> i think if you update now things should at least work now
19:47 <Durka> heh
19:47 <Durka> wrtlprnft: I have an interesting question:
19:48 <Durka> It seems that each day you guys keep adding new concepts to the game, but when are you guys going to stop adding and start making sure everything else is perfect so you can release a stable version? Because it seems like you can add new features every second...so, where exactly is the game heading?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> heh
19:49 <wrtlprnft> you sound like luke-jr ;-)
19:49 <mkzelda> ouch
19:49 <wrtlprnft> we ARE heading for a stable version x_X
19:49  * Durka feels insulted
19:49 <Durka> hey dookie
19:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man needs to make another build
19:49 <mkzelda> hey durka
19:49 <Durka> :)
19:49 <mkzelda> if i were a dev my answer would be... when are YOU going to do it :D
19:50 <Durka> wrtlprnft: but how far are you guys aiming to take this auth thing
19:50 <wrtlprnft> it's quite complete already
19:50 <Durka> since now zman just added the vote include files and you expanded on pig's /help command
19:50 <wrtlprnft> it's just stuff that should have been done a long time ago
19:51 <Durka> it seems at this point you guys can either (1) stop here and release a stable version for everyone, or (2) continue branching out the auth so you can perfect what you intended
19:51 <Durka> or you could do what you do nearly 2 years ago ;)
19:51 <Durka> release 0.2.8.3
19:51 <Durka> then like 2 days later release 0.2.8.3.1 :P
19:52 <wrtlprnft> note that authentication is optional
19:52 <mkzelda> thats not a version number thats a zip code
19:52 <mkzelda> #w 02831
19:52 <armabot> mkzelda: Search took 0.20 seconds: Template talk:Infobox Town DE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Town_DE>; Arrondissement of Vervins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_of_Vervins>; User:Nyttend/ZIP/RI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nyttend/ZIP/RI>; Area (2 more messages)
19:53 <Durka> #help w
19:53 <armabot> Durka: (w <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "wikipedia $*".
19:53 <mkzelda> oh
19:53 <mkzelda> w is alias for weather on my chan
19:53 <Durka> LOL!
19:53 <Durka> #weather 02831
19:53 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Coventry Center Weather Station, Coventry, Rhode Island is 44.6°F (2:56 PM EDT on March 18, 2008). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Falling).
19:53 <mkzelda> wow
19:53 <Durka> hm
19:53 <Durka> #90049
19:53 <Durka> er
19:54 <Durka> #weather 90049
19:54 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Sherman Oaks, Sherman Oaks, California is 65.1°F (11:51 AM PDT on March 18, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
19:54 <Durka> wow
19:54 <Durka> it used to say Santa Monica
19:54 <Durka> now Sherman Oaks?
19:54 <mkzelda> mine changes all the time on this bot
19:54 <mkzelda> for years
19:54 <Durka> since when do zip codes move? :S
19:54 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
19:54 <Durka> and it's supposed to be Los Angeles anyways :P
19:54 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 54.9°F (2:57 PM EDT on March 18, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling).
19:54 <Durka> #help weather
19:54 <mkzelda> sometimes it says lizard lick
19:54 <armabot> Durka: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
19:55 <mkzelda> and sometimes it says knightdale
19:55 <Durka> keyword: approximate
19:55 <mkzelda> incith weather uses wunderground.com
19:55 <mkzelda> dunno what this bot uses
19:56 <Durka> wrtl probably just looks outside
19:56 <Durka> he has super vizhun
19:56 <wrtlprnft> it's dark here.
19:56 <Durka> it's noon right now
19:56 <Durka> exactly
19:57 <Durka> wrtlprnft: 4 errors
19:57 <wrtlprnft> well, what errors?
19:57 <Durka> they were all in Linking
19:57 <Durka>   "tColor::tColor(float, float, float, float)", referenced from:
19:58 <Durka> er i'll use pastebin
19:58 <wrtlprnft> aaah
19:58 <wrtlprnft> nvm
19:58 <wrtlprnft> you need to add tColor.cpp to the project
19:59 <Durka> http://rafb.net/p/M9asHW90.html
19:59 <Durka> yea all 4 errors come from that file
19:59 <wrtlprnft> well, that's because the file is new
19:59 <wrtlprnft> and xcode doesn't know about it
19:59 <Durka> :\
19:59 <Durka> was it in the checkout?
20:00 <wrtlprnft> either add that file or revert to the last version before epsy's commit
20:00 <Durka> :\
20:00 <wrtlprnft> there's no new clientside features, anyways
20:00 <wrtlprnft> 8309 i think
20:00 <epsy> hi, wassup
20:01 <wrtlprnft> err, hi
20:01 <Durka> er
20:01 <wrtlprnft> you were slapped a lot ;-)
20:01 <Durka> i see the file
20:01 <Durka> heh
20:01 <epsy> orly? :)
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Durka: but xcode doesn't know it needs to compile and link it
20:01 <wrtlprnft> hence the errors
20:01 <wrtlprnft> ya rly
20:01 <epsy> :S
20:01 <Durka> yea i see that
20:02 <Durka> wrtlprnft: what targest do I add it to:
20:03 <Durka> client, client 10.2.8, dedicated, client release, dedicated release, full relesae
20:03 <wrtlprnft> all i'd say
20:03 <Durka> I would assume all
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8337 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): new /rtfm command to send help messages to other players.
20:03 <Durka> yea
20:03 <Durka> very nice useful addition wrtl ^^ :P
20:03 <epsy> haha
20:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: basically you broke quite a lot of stuff with your latest commit
20:04 <epsy> ah, i wouldn't say so
20:04 <+noob7> hehe
20:04 <wrtlprnft> well, z-man-work said so
20:04 <Durka> noob7: MSN
20:04 <epsy> 'my last commit' wasn't the same commit at the time
20:05 <wrtlprnft> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/0aab5f3b9669ec3b32d310c9fc51a553.txt
20:05 <+noob7> wait a sec durka
20:06 <Durka> >:D
20:06 <epsy> now i hope bazaarmagetron wont mess up with the commit you just made
20:06 <wrtlprnft> there shouldn't be any conflicts
20:06 <wrtlprnft> err
20:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/947815
20:06 <Durka> epsy: was your idea to make the /admin rename thing?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> that's the uri i wanted to paste
20:06 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Durka is pissed off that i used it
20:07 <epsy> lol
20:07 <Durka> :D
20:07 <Durka> the best was doing it to goody
20:07 <Durka>  /admin rename Goodygumdrops Goodycumdrops
20:07 <Durka> :D
20:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:07 <wrtlprnft> i didn't
20:07 <epsy> /admin filter_dark_color_team 1 ftw :)
20:08 <Durka> I did
20:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:08 <Durka> I got auth running on my server on this computer
20:08 <Durka> i mean i hacked cafe
20:08 <wrtlprnft> you're admin somewhere?
20:08 <wrtlprnft> with auth, that is
20:08 <epsy> d0rka d0rka land?
20:08 <epsy> ah..
20:08 <Durka> wrtlprnft: I'm admin on pretty much every server that DOESNT have auth :P
20:09 <+noob7> oh durka, are you planning on running an authority too?
20:09 <Durka> noob7: MSN
20:09 <Durka> :O
20:09 <+noob7> :(
20:09 <Durka> wrtlprnft: build succeeded :)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> :-)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> can you do a svn diff and send it my way?
20:12 <Durka> ?
20:12 <wrtlprnft> so i can commit your updated project file
20:12 -!- Durka is now known as luke-jr__
20:13 <luke-jr__> Durka: RTFM!
20:13 -!- luke-jr__ is now known as Durka
20:13 <wrtlprnft> i tried editing it by hand, but the format od code block projects is much easier to understand
20:13 <epsy> #ping
20:13 <armabot> pong
20:13 <Durka> ok so what exactly am I sending you?
20:13 <epsy> #poke bazaarmagetron
20:13  * Durka is nub
20:14 <wrtlprnft> just run svn diff
20:14 <wrtlprnft> and send me the output of that command
20:15 <Durka> epsy: the player names are invisible again :(
20:15 <epsy> Durka, poke bazaarmagetron with me
20:15 <Durka> just kidding ;)
20:15 <wrtlprnft> they're visible?
20:15 <wrtlprnft> i thought z-man didn't fix that
20:16 <epsy> i did, but i commented out some part of rFont which broke client compilation
20:16 <Durka> wrtlprnft: I still don't understand what you want me to do...this is my first time with Xcode :\
20:17 <wrtlprnft> argh, just send me the damned project file
20:17 <Durka> xD
20:17 <epsy> #last --with jesus,
20:17 <armabot> epsy: [22:19:29] <epsy> jesus, bazaarmagetron really sleeps hard
20:17 <wrtlprnft> MacOS/Armagetron\ Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj
20:17 <wrtlprnft> (i hope)
20:17 <epsy> jesus, bazaarmagetron really sleeps hard
20:17 <Durka> yea I know the file :P
20:17 <epsy> (/me hopes that works
20:17 <Durka> er you want me to send you the Armagetron Advanced.xcdoeprof or the project file inside of it
20:18 <wrtlprnft> the latter
20:19 <Durka> http://senduit.com/296a97
20:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8338 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Make clientside completion aware of the new commands that accept player names
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20:29 <wrtlprnft> #later tell durka* thanks
20:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:30 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8339 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Durka's xcode file that includes tColor.cpp
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20:31 <wrtlprnft> wb
20:31 <Druka> alright
20:32 <Druka> I have this really weird situation
20:32 <epsy> hey that's my nickanme!
20:32 <Druka> er
20:32 -!- Druka is now known as Durka
20:32 <epsy> haha
20:32 <Durka> it logs me in as Druka
20:32 <Durka> anyways
20:32 <epsy> you almost got ghosted :D
20:32 <Durka> i compiled the trunk last night
20:32 <Durka> and i ran the dedicated server
20:33 <Durka> and i forgot i had it running
20:33 <Durka> and i ran the 0.2.8 alpha server
20:33 <Durka> and it ran on port 4535
20:33 <Durka> and now i have the 0.3 dedicated server file sitting in the trash
20:33 <Durka> and it wont delete because it's "in use"
20:33 <Durka> the server is running but no terminal window is open o_O
20:33 <wrtlprnft> entirely possible
20:34 <wrtlprnft> kill it!
20:34 <+noob7> kill -9 PID
20:34 <+noob7> oh wrtlprnft was faster
20:34 <wrtlprnft> probably don't need the -9
20:34 <epsy> man...
20:34 <epsy> 20 minutes and bazaarmagetron is still not at work
20:35 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:35 <wrtlprnft> epsy: why would you want to filter colors in team messages?
20:36 <wrtlprnft> i'd rather have them filtered in normal ones
20:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i'm not against dark colors in regular messages
20:36 <MrBougo> can someone tell me if their client can join that channel?
20:36 <epsy> but those in /team messages really distract me X_x
20:36 <MrBougo> id like to reg it
20:36 <MrBougo> #0,0
20:37 <MrBougo> since it's not reg'd
20:37 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just filter dark colors on your client?
20:37 <epsy> client?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> modify them so they're not dark anymore
20:37 <epsy> ( @ MrBougo )
20:37 <MrBougo> irc client
20:37 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has left #armagetron []
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20:37 <epsy> srew you
20:37 <epsy> screw*
20:38 <+noob7> mIRC cant bougo
20:38  * epsy cba to manually rejoin each chan
20:38 <wrtlprnft> irssi can't
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20:39 <MrBougo> lul
20:39 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: irssi wins
20:40 <MrBougo> noob7: mIRC never wins
20:40 <MrBougo> but it get a point
20:40 <MrBougo> aight, you can't fool irssi and mIRC users
20:40 <MrBougo> noob7: can you join the 0 channel ?
20:41 <MrBougo> without a #
20:41 <epsy> dont try that
20:41 <epsy> it's just shift+esc for xchat
20:41 <Durka> wrtlprnft: it's not working
20:42 <wrtlprnft> well, is it still running?
20:42 <wrtlprnft> note that i never owned a mac
20:44 <Durka> still running
20:44 <epsy> huh
20:44 <epsy> brb
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20:45 <wrtlprnft>  well, then kill it with -9
20:46 <epsy> heh
20:46 <Durka> i can't even enter the server :S
20:46 <Durka> it says my version has expired
20:47 -!- Rebel_Eclipsed [i=PureSimp@S01060050bf781fb9.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
20:47 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr, luke-jr_ you here?
20:49 -!- Durka is now known as luke-jr__
20:49 <luke-jr__> Rebel_Eclipsed: RTFM
20:49 -!- luke-jr__ is now known as Durka
20:50 <MrBougo> hah?
20:50 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has joined #armagetron
20:50 <Rebel_Eclipsed> which n should I r?
20:50 <MrBougo> r?
20:50 <MrBougo> n?
20:51 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Durka said RTFN which I think means "Read the F'n Note"
20:51 <Rebel_Eclipsed> so I ask which Note should I Read?
20:51  * Durka said RTFM = Read the Fucking Manual!
20:51 <Durka> says luke-jr
20:52 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Manual says "Server down... ask Luke"
20:52 <luke-jr> liar
20:52 <luke-jr> Rebel_Eclipsed: not you
20:53 <luke-jr> Durka = lair
20:53 <luke-jr> liar*
20:53 <luke-jr> z-man-work: btw, that bug from a few months ago seems to still be around, but a lot more rare and not eating CPU time, just UDP buffer space
20:58 <Durka> ok the server is finally 'killed'
20:58 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Server killer!!!
20:58 <Durka> :O
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21:01  * Rebel_Eclipsed wedgies Durka with an insta-Thong
21:01 <Rebel_Eclipsed> That's a hurt you don't forget!
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21:02 <Durka> #bye
21:02 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-178-153.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
21:02 <armabot> Goodbye Durka :(
21:02 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Not his cheerful self?
21:04 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #bye
21:04 <armabot> Goodbye Rebel_Eclipsed :(
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21:07  * wrtlprnft officially declares bazaararmagetron to be broken.
21:08 <MrBougo> R.I.P.
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8340 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (9 files in 6 dirs):
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * FILTER_COLOR_TEAM filters color in team messages
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * FILTER_DARK_COLOR_(STRINGS|SERVER_NAMES|NAMES|TEAM)
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21:09 <MrBougo> lol!
21:09 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: it's living again!
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21:10 <MrBougo> aah!
21:10 <MrBougo> zombiebazaarmagetron
21:10 <K-Yo> hum
21:10 <MrBougo> that's too long
21:10 <MrBougo> K-Yo: :o
21:10 <K-Yo> arma makes my system crash now :S
21:10 <MrBougo> :o
21:10 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8341 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Manuel Moos: eek, forgot help texts
21:11 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8342 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
21:11 <MrBougo> eek, indeed
21:11 <K-Yo> X Error of failed request:  GLXBadContextTag
21:11 <K-Yo>   Major opcode of failed request:  148 (GLX)
21:11 <K-Yo>   Minor opcode of failed request:  144 ()
21:11 <K-Yo>   Serial number of failed request:  792
21:11 <K-Yo>   Current serial number in output stream:  794
21:11 <K-Yo> make: *** [run] Erreur 1
21:11 <K-Yo> what does that means?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: no clue
21:12 <wrtlprnft> looks like a bug in the graphics drive
21:12 <K-Yo> xP
21:12 <wrtlprnft> r
21:12 <K-Yo> probably
21:12 <wrtlprnft> try disabling display lists
21:13 <K-Yo> I installed ati driver recently
21:13 <K-Yo> how do I disabme display list?
21:13 <K-Yo> disable*
21:13 <wrtlprnft> err, can you get to the menu?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> epsy: how come yours and z-man's commit share the same committer name?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> nice trick, though, i should do that, too
21:14 <epsy> i wondered
21:14 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, I can
21:15 <epsy> $ bzr whoami
21:15 <epsy> epsy
21:15 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: display settings→performance tweaks→display lists
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21:15 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, it's off
21:15 <K-Yo> already
21:16 <K-Yo> X Error of failed request:  GLXBadContextTag
21:16 <K-Yo>   Major opcode of failed request:  148 (GLX)
21:16 <K-Yo>   Minor opcode of failed request:  144 ()
21:16 <K-Yo>   Serial number of failed request:  1198
21:16 <K-Yo>   Current serial number in output stream:  1201
21:16 <K-Yo> make: *** [run] Erreur 1
21:16 <K-Yo> some numbers changed that time
21:16 <wrtlprnft> err, when did that start happening?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> can you find out what rev caused the error?
21:17 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, I think it is my system's fault
21:17 <K-Yo> it wasn't happening earlier today
21:17 <wrtlprnft> oh
21:17 <wrtlprnft> so you didn't change arma
21:17 <K-Yo> hhmmm
21:17 <K-Yo> no
21:17 <wrtlprnft> well, how am i supposed to know? :-o
21:17 <K-Yo> :S sorry
21:17 <wrtlprnft> not a problem
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21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8343 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nServerInfo.cpp: Fixed a bug with the display of authenticated names in the server browser.
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21:34 <Monkey_arma> heyho peoples
21:35 <deja_vu> heyho Monkey_arma
21:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8344 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
21:46 <wrtlprnft> epsy: feel like writing a help text on how to log in using the forums, x or crazy-tronners? Including account creation
21:46 <epsy> yes..
21:47 <wrtlprnft> /help login for a general blurb as to what it is
21:47 <K-Yo> epsy, j'ai perdu le lien pour modifier mon equipe
21:47  * epsy thinks about a communication sheme between authorities and servers<->clients
21:47 <wrtlprnft> /help login_(forums|ct|x) for manuals
21:47 <epsy> K-Yo, c juste la page de signup
21:47 <K-Yo> oki
21:47 <K-Yo> merci
21:48 <wrtlprnft> honestly I never tried logging in with an old client
21:48 <epsy> ..for some additionnal services
21:49 <epsy> heh
21:49 <epsy> it really sucks
21:49 <wrtlprnft> what?
21:49 <epsy> and that makes auth look sucky to most
21:49 <wrtlprnft> oh,
21:49 <wrtlprnft> i was wondering if it was part of your french conversation
21:50 <epsy> K-Yo was just asking for the page which handles FFF team changes :)
21:51 <K-Yo> Indeed
21:51 <K-Yo> #t fr en <K-Yo> epsy, j'ai perdu le lien pour modifier mon equipe
21:51 <armabot> K-Yo: epsy, I lost the bond to modify my equipe
21:51 <K-Yo> #echo wrtlprnft is a noob don't you think?
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft is a noob don't you think?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g hoop@forums
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: hoop seems to be on Fortress Café right now.
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g epsy@x
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 10 minutes ago.
21:51 <epsy> heh, nice :D
21:52 <K-Yo> what is "-g"?
21:52 <epsy> #lastseen -g flashy@forums
21:52 <armabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “flashy@forums” yet, sorry.
21:52 <wrtlprnft> Global ID
21:52 <epsy> global id
21:52 <K-Yo> great
21:52 <K-Yo> #ls -g k-yo@crazy-tronners
21:52 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
21:52 <K-Yo> #ls -g k-yo@forums
21:52 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: you need to have been on a relatively recent server
21:52 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
21:53 <K-Yo> rlatively=...?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> compiled after 22:16 last sunday
21:53 <epsy> one that sends global IDs
21:53 <K-Yo> ok
21:55 <wrtlprnft> #ls -g wrtlprnft@forums
21:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
21:55 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:55 <epsy> O_o
21:55 <wrtlprnft> something's wrong
21:55 <K-Yo> need to reconnect to forums too or not?
21:55 <wrtlprnft> no
21:55 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g wrtlprnft@forums
21:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| seems to be on Bugfarm Elimination Sumo right now.
21:55 <epsy> you had to reconnect to forums for *YOUR PASSWORD*
21:56 <wrtlprnft> #help ls
21:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (ls <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "lastseen @*".
21:56 <epsy> otherwise that's all you ever had to relogin for
21:56 <wrtlprnft> and that only if you use an old client
21:56 <wrtlprnft> because @forums is actually more insecure than @x
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21:57 <K-Yo> I use latest rev from svn... when it worked
21:57  * K-Yo restart comp
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21:59 <epsy> it's just md5(pw) ?
21:59 <epsy> uhh
21:59  * epsy is gonna use that as argument :D
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22:02 <wrtlprnft> epsy: yeah…
22:02 <wrtlprnft> might be a reason to make my own authority just for me
22:03 <epsy> wrtlprnft at wrtlprnft ath cx ? :þ
22:03 <wrtlprnft> feel free to say wtlprnft@wrtlprnft.ath.cx
22:03 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft.ath.cx doesn't have a MX record
22:03 <epsy> we can't use IPs as authorities, right?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i think we can
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22:14 <epsy> bjr, à la prochaine, bjr, .. :)
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22:16 <luke-jr> me@wrtlprnft.ath.cx :þ
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22:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, SMTP falls to A records if MX is missing
22:17 <wrtlprnft> so what?
22:17 <luke-jr> so your port 25 gets spammed :þ
22:17 <wrtlprnft> if they like connection refused packets
22:17 <luke-jr> heh
22:18 <epsy> wrtlprnft, http://pastebin.ca/948029
22:22 <K-Yo> last one
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22:41 <Monkey_arma> wb bye wb bye wb bye kyo
22:41 <wrtlprnft> epsy: thanks, come test it on café
22:44 <epsy> K-Yo, you lied
22:45 <K-Yo> epsy, false
22:45 <K-Yo> ty Monkey_arma ;)
22:46 <K-Yo> epsy, that was an unintentionnal x serv restart
22:47 <epsy> K-Yo, er?
22:47 <epsy> oh
22:47 <epsy> you mean X serv
22:48 <K-Yo> maybe
22:48  * K-Yo 's brain is not case sensitive
22:55 <K-Yo> fuck this... no idea about it on #ubuntu, nor in #ubuntu-fr
23:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: oh, the file is in ~armagetronad/cafe/config/help.cfg, in case you want it for x sumo
23:05 <epsy> ok
23:05  * wrtlprnft assumes it's GPL or something similar.
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8345 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - fixed a client compilation warning
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - /rtfm now prints the message to the invoker, too, to catch errors
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - some language file fixes
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - whitespace corrections
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23:45 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, is mbc still a clan?
23:50 <Ttech> SPZ
23:51 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/b3c4a087e3c2a10775275977f7ba18fa.txt
23:52 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: this is the output: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/157ad04a4be1dc639dbc3bff5bc3bb97.txt

Log from 2008-03-19:
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00:17 <epsy> wrtlprnft, shuffling up still works for everyone
00:40 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c4ca48e3f55825092d55c8e6ddc03412.txt
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00:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8346 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
00:58 <z-man> Should be the last of this kind for now.
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8347 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: * Removed rDisplayList.h from Copy Headers task
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: * Moved tColor.cpp to tools/ subgroup
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01:39 <pippijn> z-man: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/1151661041ed1442c4cede7972c340d1.txt
01:45 <pippijn> z-man: coroutines in C++ :-)
01:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8348 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Manuel Moos: Better error recovery: start again from known good backed up branch state instead of the broken branch states of the last failed operation.
01:52 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8349 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/bzr-merge.sh synctools/sync.sh): Manuel Moos: Better conflict and criss-cross merging support through weave based merging.
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03:01 <pippijn> good night
03:02 <Monkey_arma> cu
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08:19 <flex> can I live now?
08:19 <flex> oops
08:19 <flex> where am i?
08:20 <flex> poops
08:42 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGilx2SgCFA
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09:04 <wrtlprnft> ä
09:04 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy* yeah, too many people complained :-(
09:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:07 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: doesn't something similar exist in python?
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09:26 <z-man> pippijn: cool, how does it handle the stack?
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11:01 <wrtlprnft> #ls novocaine
11:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
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12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8350 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp: Fixed one-off error with kick vote to suspend vote transmogrification, converted epsy's TABS to spaces.
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12:25 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: yes
12:26 <pippijn> z-man: I use ucontext
12:26 <pippijn> z-man: ucontext provides an api where I can simply malloc a stack and let ucontext do the rest
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13:15 <wrtlprnft> torres: int foo(va_list ap) {function *f = va_arg(ap, function *); for(int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) f->suspend(i); return -1;} int main(function f(foo); for(int i = 0; i < 20; ++i) std::cout << f(2); }
13:15 <torres> missing template arguments before '*' token
13:16 <wrtlprnft> what's the 2 in f(2), btw, pippijn 
13:17 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: the parameter passed
13:17 <pippijn> torres doesn't have it
13:18 <pippijn> but it would be trivial to add if you want to play with it
13:18 <wrtlprnft> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c4ca48e3f55825092d55c8e6ddc03412.txt
13:18 <wrtlprnft> whate does it use the parameter?
13:18 <pippijn> it doesn't
13:18 <pippijn> but it could
13:18 <pippijn> by doing int i = va_arg (ap, int);
13:18 <wrtlprnft> s/whate/where/
13:18 <wrtlprnft> ah
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13:34 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); while (num++ <= 10) f->yield (num); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:34 <torres> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
13:34 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: now it uses the parameter
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13:35 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); int s = 2 * num; while (num <= s) f->yield (num); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:35 <torres> Timeout: /t
13:35 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); int s = 2 * num; while (num <= s) f->yield (num++); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:35 <torres> 4 5 6 7 8
13:36 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: this returns the numbers between n and 2n including the boundaries
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13:47 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: crazy stuff…
13:53 <pippijn> it's snowing!
13:53 <pippijn> :-D
14:17 <epsy> #date
14:17 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
14:17  * epsy slaps armabot 
14:17 <epsy> #time
14:17 <armabot> epsy: 02:52 PM, March 19, 2008
14:18 <epsy> O_o
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14:45 <flex> #pinh
14:45 <flex> #ping
14:45 <armabot> pong
14:46 <Stewie-arma> poing
14:46 <Stewie-arma> woops
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14:47 <eddiefantastic> #date
14:47 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
14:47 <eddiefantastic> #help date
14:47 <armabot> eddiefantastic: (date <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?".
14:47 <z-wt> heh
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14:50 <wrtlprnft> epsy: fixed my server's clock
14:50 <wrtlprnft> was running quite a bit early
14:51 <epsy> wrtlprnft, that was all the sliding's cause?
14:51 <wrtlprnft> err, this is another server
14:51 <wrtlprnft> and no
14:52 <epsy> oh
14:52 <epsy> lol
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17:51 <K-Yo> #svn
17:51 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
18:01 <K-Yo> when I get all the svn stuff in my directory
18:01 <K-Yo> I have to run ./bootstrap.sh right?
18:02 <K-Yo> Here is what it says... I think I have to install something but I don't remember what:
18:02 <K-Yo> Running aclocal...
18:02 <K-Yo> ./bootstrap.sh: 15: aclocal: not found
18:04 <eddiefantastic> K-Yo: apt-get install automake
18:04 <K-Yo> thanks ;)
18:05 <eddiefantastic> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
18:05 <eddiefantastic> that's all the deps for a clean ubuntu install
18:05 <K-Yo> that are main compiling stuff?
18:05 <K-Yo> ok
18:05 <K-Yo> all in one will be faster :P
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18:19 <epsy> but...who is  <email address hidden> ? :þ
18:20 <epsy> oh
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19:09 <z-man> Yep, 0.2.8.2.1 is affected.
19:09 <wrtlprnft> :-(
19:09 <wrtlprnft> does it send anything usable?
19:09 <z-man> The ID of the advanced vote items is not read from the server message.
19:10 <z-man> Yeah, it sends the vote result just fine, only with a wrong ID.
19:10 <z-man> it slipped testing beacuse it doesn't do anything wrong in typical testing scenarios.
19:12 <z-man> A chat vote interface would be easier than having the server second guess the client's response, I think.
19:12 <z-man> something like
19:13 <wrtlprnft> tell the user every round to /approve or /reject the vote
19:13 <z-man> server: new vote item "suspend Z-Man, say "/approve 54" if you agree and "/reject 54" if you disagree.
19:13 <epsy> what if there's more than one vote?
19:13 <epsy> :)
19:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: maybe 
19:13 <z-man> or "/vote approve/reject"
19:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: maybe send the first vote regularily and all others as chat votes?
19:14 <z-man> Well, the wrong ID on the client side also means that the client has no clue when a vote has timed out.
19:14 <z-man> It's supposed to get informed about that.
19:14 <wrtlprnft> goddamnit.
19:15 <z-man> So even if only one advanced vote is active on the server, many of them may be lingering on the client.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> eventually the user will get tired of seeing the message each round and just vote, though
19:15 <z-man> epsy: AI names still are blank in the score table in network games.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> so it would be possible in theory. Whether it would be worth it is another question, of course
19:17 <z-man> Well, it would be only for a short transition period.
19:17 <z-man> We should at least count the number of clients that do really support the new vote types and only let them count so votes have a chance of getting through.
19:18 <wrtlprnft> you know very well that half of our users will just complain how much more laggy|slow|sucky|whatever the new release is and refuse to upgrade for half a year
19:18 <wrtlprnft> *how much <something> they think it is
19:19 <wrtlprnft> *how much <something> they imagine it to be
19:19 <epsy> z-man, does client know if a player is an ai or not?
19:20 <wrtlprnft> it knows that its ID is 0.
19:20 <z-man> Yeah, and giving them a chat interface will let them stick to the old version even longer :)
19:20 <epsy> give it to everyone?
19:20 <z-man> 0.2.8.3 won't need it.
19:21 <epsy> voting instants could make their way
19:21 <z-man> With pre-filled correct vote ID?
19:21 <epsy> hmm
19:22 <epsy> well you could make it harsh to <0.2.8.3 users, so they wont ever want to keep using that at all :)
19:22 <z-man> Of course, if only one vote is active, the ID could be left out
19:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: make sure votes have IDs like 42553 or 37610 or 44061
19:22 <epsy> exactly
19:22 <wrtlprnft> or require them to enter the md5sum of the ID
19:22 <z-man> And require the user to hand in three signed copies of the vote :)
19:23 <epsy> also, prefix them with a ¦ and suffix then with ÷
19:23 <epsy> them*
19:23 <wrtlprnft> bbl, supper
19:24 <flex> supper for weaks
19:26 <flex> actually, ever thought of adding a "none decided" or "don't care" to the vote choice? so allowing a vote to expire rather then just sit there and wait for people to vote after afew rounds..
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19:32 <epsy> screw that X_x
19:48 <wrtlprnft> flex: just vote against, there's no difference between doing that and letting it expire
19:48 <wrtlprnft> except that it's over sooner if you vote against
19:51 <z-man> Gaa, who left lots of breakpoint calls all over the place?
19:51  * z-man suspects epsy
19:51  * wrtlprnft gently points z-man to svn praise
19:51 <wrtlprnft> err, blame
19:52  * z-man knows, but wanted to supect epsy anyway :)
19:52 <z-man> great, svn blames bazaarmagetron
19:53  * Stewie-arma suspects it was, THE GOPHER!
19:53 <wrtlprnft> svn log -r <rev>?
19:53 <Stewie-arma> erp I mean wtrl
19:53 <wrtlprnft> note that epsy's log messages look the same as yours for some reason
19:53 <z-man> oops, bzr blames me?
19:54  * z-man blames the back-and-forth merging of last night
19:55 <wrtlprnft> as i said, epsy's commits carry your name
19:55 <wrtlprnft> so it had to blame you as only you and epsy actively commit to the bzr branch
19:55 <epsy> they got comitted  times didn't they
19:55 <epsy> 2*
19:56 <epsy> so..back on web auth..
19:56 <z-man> epsy: yeah, that was some messup of the syncing script.
19:58 <epsy> #ping
19:58 <armabot> pong
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20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8351 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp:
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Only clients really supporting the new votes get them now, and only they count for the totals.
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Undesired side effect so far: MIN_VOTERS is not taken into account properly, that still uses the total number of voters.
20:02 <epsy> meh..
20:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i disabled automatic kick poll to suspend poll conversion
20:03 <wrtlprnft> on café, that is
20:03 <wrtlprnft> polls rarely get accepted because few people can vote
20:03 <epsy> i meant meh @ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/revision/770
20:03 <MrBougo> because few people can vote
20:03 <MrBougo> how so?
20:04 <MrBougo> arma has the best poll vote system i've seen on a game
20:04 <MrBougo> spams you :p
20:04 <MrBougo> did it change since 0.2.8.2?
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8352 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tString.cpp: Removing annoying debug breakpoints.
20:04 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: because the new suspend votes don't work properly with old clients
20:04 <MrBougo> aw
20:04 <epsy> z-man, now that's conflicting X_x
20:04 <wrtlprnft> the kick votes still work I hope
20:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: don't worry, suspend votes will be transformed to look like kick votes for the broken clients.
20:05 <z-man> epsy: well, a good test for the scripts :)
20:06  * z-man goes to see what it's doing
20:06 <epsy> z-man,
20:06 <epsy> oops
20:06 <epsy> pressed enter instead of del
20:07 <wrtlprnft> happens to me all the time
20:08  * wrtlprnft wonders what idiot put the backspace key right next to the return key
20:08 <wrtlprnft> and the right shift key, for that matter
20:08 <epsy> the enter key must be right alone
20:08 <epsy> how many times did i miss it while typing a password :þ
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20:09 <epsy> z-man, so what is it doing?
20:09 <wrtlprnft> the enter key should be on the bottom side of the keyboard
20:09 <z-man> No errors so far.
20:09 <epsy> so it's still sleeping? :|
20:09 <z-man> Of course, that's not really good, we don't really want it to just run over conflicts :)
20:10 <z-man> But apparently, that's what it did.
20:10 <epsy> now what do i do..
20:11 <z-man> You do nothing.
20:11  * epsy does nothing
20:12 <z-man> Aha, it ignored my commit.
20:12 <z-man> Or rather, it recognized it as changes to lines someone else had deleted.
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8353 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Paste support: press ctrl-v in any place that expects text to paste the
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: clipboard contents. Tested on linux and windows, it should work on macos, too,
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: in theory. No clue if it really does, though, someone will need to test that.
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: The code for getting the clipboard contents comes from http://www.libsdl.org/projects/scrap/ and is released in the public domain
20:13 <z-man> cool
20:13 <z-man> SVN is a bit slow today.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> err, that's just the cia bot that's slow
20:14  * wrtlprnft wonders why cia has just one bot in #commits
20:14 <z-man> No, some commits just hang.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> oh
20:15 <z-man> for example the one that's just trying to push epsy's changes to SVN.
20:16 <epsy> it conflicted
20:16  * epsy 's gonna undo-redo
20:17 <z-man> ? where did it conflict?
20:17 <epsy> the debugging breakpointq
20:17 <epsy> s*
20:18 <epsy> you again stole my commit ? :D
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8354 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/libxml2/ (13 files in 2 dirs):
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Updated libxml2. No clue if the release fixes any bugs that affect us, but I did
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: the update because it fixed something that turned out to be our own fault. It
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: compiles and runs fine, so i guess there's no reason not to commit it.
20:18 <z-man> epsy: what does "bzr whoami" say?
20:19 <epsy> epsy
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8355 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.cbp: Add new files for copy and paste support
20:20 <z-man> Odd. bzr isn't supposed to do such things.
20:21 <epsy> r771 showed as being committed by "epsy" at first time
20:24 <epsy> altrough it semt to we that it was r770 at first..
20:25 <z-man> Yep, the svn commit needed to be pushed in between, because svn doesn't support revision reordering.
20:26 <wrtlprnft> meh. can someone tell me where they see two possible divs by 0 in
20:26 <wrtlprnft>             if(ta == NAN && tb == NAN) return fabs((m_reference-a).NormSquared()) < fabs((m_reference-b).NormSquared());
20:26 <z-man> Easy, NAN is #defined as 0/0 :)
20:26 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:26 <z-man> Compiling on Windows?
20:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:26 <wrtlprnft> it's annoyed me for ages
20:27 <wrtlprnft> s/ages/a month/
20:27 <z-man> me too.
20:27 <wrtlprnft> isn't NAN defined in math.h?
20:28 <z-man> Dunno, probably, yeah.
20:28 <z-man> ugh, pushing epsy's change to SVN failed.
20:28 <z-man> let's see what happens on the next attempt.
20:29 <wrtlprnft> oh well, at least i can ignore that warning now without having to question my sanity
20:31 <z-man> Ah, /me knows what happened
20:31 <z-man> the script only got my first commit from svn
20:31 <z-man> then fetched epsy's commit from bzr
20:32 <z-man> and then got into trouble trying to push it to svn, because my second commit, the conflicting one, came afterwards.
20:32  * wrtlprnft knows why he does not want to be an admin for this project ;-P
20:32 <wrtlprnft> poor fellows.
20:33 <z-man> Heh, gues who, for sheer lack of other candidates, is currently nr 1 on the admin replacement list :)
20:34 <wrtlprnft> :-(
20:34 <Monkey_arma> DrJoeTron
20:36 <luke-jr> O.o
20:36 <wrtlprnft> why not luke-jr?
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8356 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: New windows build for people to test pasting
20:36 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
20:36 <luke-jr> why is there an admin replacement list at all?
20:37 <z-man> To annoy you.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> in case there's too many buses on the street?
20:37  * wrtlprnft thinks people should ride trains instead of buses
20:37 <wrtlprnft> or just ride a bike.
20:37 <z-man> No, in fact, we don't have a list.
20:37  * luke-jr thinks people should just invent a teleporter
20:37 <wrtlprnft> z-man: don't tell them about the secret triumvirate forum
20:37  * z-man sees some more spurious revisions
20:38 <z-man> bzr rebase is probably a bad idea.
20:38 <wrtlprnft> heh, keep the CIA stats up!
20:39 <z-man> I'd rather have a clean svn log.
20:39 <wrtlprnft> we can do better than 3.73 hours per message
20:39 <wrtlprnft> (you're right, of course)
20:41 <spidey_> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=626548&st=0&#entry589279661
20:43 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8357 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed AI player names in client and removed debug breakpoints from tColoredString:RemoveColors
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8358 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
20:44  * z-man stole more of epsy's commits
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8359 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: undo
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8360 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: redo
20:46 <wrtlprnft> undo/redo? are those yours or did bazaarmagetron do those on its own?
20:46 <z-man> Those are epsy's.
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20:47  * wrtlprnft wants his commits to appear as z-man's, too, so everyone blames him
20:47 <wrtlprnft> that's the true spirit of “we”
20:47 <z-man> haha
20:47 <epsy> was a hopeless try to resolve the conflict :þ
20:47 <epsy> #ping
20:47 <armabot> pong
20:47 <flex> #ping
20:47 <armabot> pong
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20:49 <Monkey_arma> this little bit from debian@uncyclopedia is so funny its a must read...
20:49 <Monkey_arma> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support
20:50 <flex> is PST -7 GMT?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> z-man: text_out reset itself to 0 again, for some reason. Why is this a permanent setting again?
20:50 <z-man> Dunno, can't remember.
20:51 <z-man> Ah, because it is available via a menu.
20:51 <Stewie-arma> flex, yes it is
20:52 <flex> thanks :)
20:52 <Stewie-arma> since sunday ;P
20:52 <flex> always end up forgetting
20:52 <wrtlprnft> z-man: oh, it is? never seen it
20:53 <flex> Monkey_arma, LOL UR TOTAL N00b. RTFM u f4g. go kill ur self.
20:53 <z-man> In "Misc Stuff"
20:54 <Monkey_arma> heh
20:55 <flex> :*
20:55 <wrtlprnft> meh, you'd think there were few enough ingame menus so you could know them all after years of playing
20:55 <wrtlprnft> i might have hit that by accident
20:55 <flex> lol ;(
21:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8361 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/tank_todo-halffinnished.txt: Test commit from svn.
21:05 <flex> haha monkey, i tried it in #debian :p
21:06 <wrtlprnft> what happened?
21:06 <flex> "[20:07:02] <stew> flex: lose the caps.  do you have an actual question?"
21:06 <flex> and "[20:07:19] <pipatron> flex: 1) crash, 2) crash, 3) anything"
21:06 <flex> lol
21:07 <z-man> what exactly did you ask?
21:07 <flex> OMG!  DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC!  IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!
21:07 <z-man> you were supposed to fill in something.
21:08 <flex> couldn't be bothered :p
21:08 <MrBougo> hehe
21:09 <Monkey_arma> hehe lol flex
21:09 <Monkey_arma> didnt they get the joke?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> OMG!  DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC!  IT CAN'T CRASH, BUT WINDOWS CAN CRASH JUST BY CLICKING ANYWHERE!
21:09 <MrBougo> rofl
21:09 <MrBougo> OMG!  DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC!  IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!
21:09 <MrBougo> is that the censored version?
21:09 <Monkey_arma> i actually saw that behaviour for real yesterday in a linux channel
21:10 <flex> lol MrBougo, no it's the "do it yourself" version
21:10 <hoax> dcc send debian_fireworks :)
21:10 <MrBougo> the "do it yourself censored version"
21:10 <flex> where do i get the "LOL UR TOTAL N00b. RTFM u f4g. go kill ur self." responses :(
21:11 <Monkey_arma> i just read what they said in #debian ...heeh
21:11 <flex> lol
21:12 <Monkey_arma> they're so anal some of them...
21:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8363 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/tank_todo-halffinnished.txt: Undid test commits.
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21:42 <K-Yo> did a revision recently changed keyboard policy?
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22:02 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: ?
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22:22 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, ye?
22:22 <K-Yo> I had my keyboard configured a way, but now it's another
22:22 <K-Yo> after compiling
22:23 <K-Yo> it has some WORLD 64 keys etc
22:26 <epsy> wrtlprnft, when do we get support for text selection?
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22:30 <epsy> btw, you all have a new message, cya
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22:47 <z-man> what message did epsy mean?
22:47  * wrtlprnft has no idea
22:47 <flex> have no idea..
22:48  * spidey_ has a idea
22:48  * wrtlprnft hopes he's not responsible for K-Yo's bug
22:49 <spidey_> wrtlprnft, what firmware is your router running?
22:49  * K-Yo has no idea
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: why do you care?
22:51 <spidey_> because i'm trying to put dd-wrt on mine
22:51 <wrtlprnft> openwrt white russian
22:52 <spidey_> do they have a list of brands/modles they support?
22:53 <K-Yo> http://openwr.firmwares.com
22:53 <luke-jr> yes
22:53 <luke-jr> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
22:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why White Russian?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: because it works just fine, kamikaze isn't stable yet, and I'm too lazy to update and redo all my settings?
22:54 <luke-jr> hm
22:54  * luke-jr ponders if downgrading would fix his problems
22:55 <luke-jr> btw, White Russian isn't stable either :þ
22:55 <wrtlprnft> and afaik kamikaze still would still use a 2.4 kernel on my hardware
22:55 <luke-jr> someone stupidly decided to drop support for WR and it is now "unsupported" :/
22:57 <wrtlprnft> also, the documentation on installing kamikaze is quite thin at the moment
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1 Getting started
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1.1 Installation
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1.2 Initial configuration
22:58 <wrtlprnft> something changed. the doc for whiterussian was much more helpful.
22:58 <spidey_> mm
22:58 <spidey_> they don't even have my model listed
22:58 <spidey_> =/
23:00 <spidey_> er
23:01 <spidey_> dd-wrt doesn't have the model number listed either =/
23:01 <wrtlprnft> get a wrt54gl
23:01 <spidey_> i miss read my "9" as a "7"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it's a great box.
23:01 <luke-jr> get a Buffalo
23:01 <luke-jr> they're illegal to import tho
23:01 <luke-jr> :þ
23:02 <spidey_> i have a belkin
23:02 <spidey_> it's a canadian company, which explains why i've had to buy a new one every 3-6 months
23:03 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should install dd-wrt
23:03 <wrtlprnft> looks like it's more actively developed
23:04 <spidey_> well
23:04 <spidey_> this explains it all...i think
23:04 <wrtlprnft> on the other hand openwrt runs great
23:04 <wrtlprnft> and i love its web interface
23:04 <wrtlprnft> based on shellscripts :D
23:04 <spidey_> the model i'm using, people have said the firmware is really buggy
23:05 <spidey_> explains why i can only use it as a switch
23:05 <spidey_> but my since i switched to cable, my cable modem only assigns lan ip's if it has no connection =/
23:05 <spidey_> (surfboard, it's like my isp is begging me to uncap it)
23:07 <spidey_> oh nice
23:07 <spidey_> the firmware my router's running has a exploit O.o
23:07 <wrtlprnft> oh, what's the firmware?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> where's the exploit
23:07 <spidey_> pft
23:08 <spidey_> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=155809&sid=3de34a5a99fb1ba0642abdbd3afd0fdc
23:08 <wrtlprnft> would you mind visiting http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx to see if it displays correctly in your browser?
23:08 <spidey_> ...
23:08 <spidey_> only works if remote administration is enabled :P
23:08 <wrtlprnft> can you enable it?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> (who in their right mind would enable that, anyways?)
23:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: works for me
23:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I enable remote SSH
23:10  * wrtlprnft just sshs into a host running behind the router, and from there to the router
23:11 <luke-jr> well, I have WAN IPs on everything
23:12 <spidey_> luke-jr, you pay for extra ip's?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> no
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> ipv6
23:12 <luke-jr> spidey_: no
23:12 <spidey_> o
23:12 <wrtlprnft> i have an ip i can remember.
23:12 <luke-jr> I bypass the ISP's limit
23:12 <wrtlprnft> and that does not contain colons
23:12 <spidey_> i need to get a static ip
23:12 <spidey_> i miss it :(
23:13 <luke-jr> actually
23:13 <luke-jr> RoadRunner just has 4 WAN IPs with their basic plan
23:13 <luke-jr> v4 even, wrtlprnft
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23:16  * wrtlprnft could have a /29 subnet with his dedicated server provider
23:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i still don't get what i'd need those IPs for
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:17 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:17 <flex> hey z-man/z-man-work, here?
23:18 <z-man> no
23:18 <flex> aw
23:18 <z-man> what's it?
23:19 <z-man> ^^^ joking
23:19 <z-man> I am here.
23:19 <flex> the ping issue i was talking about, it seems like it's resolved.. but i'm not quite sure if it was the server
23:20 <flex> cafe has been acting up for quite a while so i couldn't test it on there clearly, so i tried it on flower power, and that seems to have login disabled.. but you say it has nothing to do with auth but i have like a theory it's abit to do with auth (ignore that last statement for now)
23:20 <z-man> Well, the only way to test is to go to the same server with an old and new client.
23:20  * z-man ignores the last bit
23:20 <flex> yeah, i did/do test it like that
23:21 <z-man> Of course, effects can vary from server to server, it also depends on how the server measures the ping.
23:21 <flex> the thing is, after one match of looking, it never jumped on old client, but on new client it jumped only twice and it reached 70.. standard is 45-55
23:22 <flex> so maybe it was just my network jump, or it was the client, but two jumps isn't anything frequent
23:27 <flex> so... am i being paranoid and irrational because it's been solved or do you think it still exists?
23:28 <z-man> Dunno really. I'm pretty sure the order things are done during the game is as good as it can get.
23:29 <z-man> Between rounds, things can be different, and the ping can jump up; and the number the client shows is only what the server tells it in odd intervals.
23:35 <flex> so far, i'm going to carry on using this client (r8355) and see how it works out
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00:10 <flex> thanks anyway z-man. :)
00:11 <z-man> np,  we can use all the bug reporting we can get, even if its just glitches and suspicions.
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00:35 <spidey_> #ping
00:35 <armabot> pong
00:35 <spidey_> yea
00:35 <spidey_> i think i finished borking my router xD
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00:40 <spidey> wow
00:40 <spidey> i got a 404, File not found, with a pink background
00:40 <spidey> on my router's url
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8364 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (39 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8286 to 8363:
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8363 | z-man | 2008-03-19 21:31:09 +0100 (Wed, 19 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  Undid test commits.
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8362 | bazaarmagetron | 2008-03-19 21:24:54 +0100 (Wed, 19 Mar 2008) | 45 lines
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06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8366 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added paste support for Mac OS X. I'd modify scrap but it's too much of a mess.
06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added tColor.cpp here too.
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11:32 <z-man-work> wth are Frogzards?
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12:05 <wrtlprnft_> frogzards?
12:06 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
12:06 <z-man> There are these flash ads for some "free mmorpg"
12:06 <z-man> with dragons
12:06 <z-man> and undead
12:06 <z-man> and frogzards!!!!!
12:07 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogzard
12:07 <wrtlprnft> note that the article doesn't even contain the word frogzard
12:07 <z-man> Yep, that's the game.
12:10 <z-man> They seem to think everyone knows what Frogzards are, and why they deserve more exclamation marks than dragons and undead combined.
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12:12 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g epsy@x
12:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 14 hours 39 minutes ago.
12:51 <z-man> They seem to think everyone knows what Frogzards are, and why they deserve more exclamation marks than dragons and undead combined.
12:51 <z-man> sorry, wrong window :)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g epsy@x
12:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 15 hours 19 minutes ago.
12:53 <wrtlprnft> SCNR :)
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14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750947 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] Poll "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you." submitted by wrtlprnft |mbc|.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750948 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] New poll: "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you.". Enter the main menu vote on it.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750949 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] Poll "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you." has been rejected.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is that supposed to happen?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> by the way, the second line doesn't exactly look gramatically correct to me.
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14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8368 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/tron/gTeam.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added "spectate" item to team management menu, and spectator mode is only turned off after you join a team, not right when you enter the menu.
14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8369 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp src/tron/gTeam.cpp):
14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: Manuel Moos: Fixed team menu bugs: "Join any/create new" is now always there
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: when it makes sense, and team properties get updated on the client when players
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: switch teams, so there will be no more spurious "Join x" messages on non-team
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: servers.
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8370 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Just indentation.
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14:56 <z-man> wrtlprnft: depends on the vote bias settings.
14:56 <wrtlprnft> cvs_test settings.
14:56 <z-man> Yep, that has a positive vote bias, IIRC.
14:57 <z-man> Usually, you set min_voters to a high enough value (bias*2 + 1) to avoid it, but the new style votes miscount the number of votes right now.
14:58 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
14:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8372 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): wrtlprnft: Reverted a failed vim command (presumably) that "we" introduced in r7216 (concerning the addition of motion blur)
14:58 <wrtlprnft> bazaarmagetron surely takes its time
14:59 <z-man> Depends on how well launchpad's email notifications work.
15:00  * z-man ponders about adding a player named "inlcude bla.cfg" and transforming include votes to kick votes for that player
15:04 <z-man> Public methods should be deceptively named to foil would-be hackers.
15:04 <pippijn> ?
15:04 <pippijn> fool?
15:05  * z-man should probably have added quotation marks
15:05 <pippijn> foil?
15:05 <z-man> fool and then foil the plans of
15:05 <pippijn> ah
15:06 <wrtlprnft> do clients enforced the 15 char limit?
15:06 <pippijn> public methods as in public member functions?
15:06 <wrtlprnft> -d
15:06 <z-man> pippijn: dunno, quoted from http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Making-a-Difference.aspx
15:06 <z-man> But probably yes.
15:07 <pippijn> ah
15:07 <z-man> wrtlprnft: in the name menu item, yes.
15:07 <z-man> In the config system, no.
15:07 <pippijn> "business world"
15:07 <pippijn> right
15:07 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i wanted to ask if they were enforced if read from nMessages
15:07 <z-man> So yeah, you can get a longer name locally by meddling with the config system, but the server will ignore it.
15:08 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i know that much. don't think i didn't try it yet
15:08 <z-man> ah, no.
15:08 <Ttech> !botjoin
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15:08 <Ttech> ~mepokes
15:08  * Ttech runs
15:08  * The_Master pokes The_Master poke The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes unzzi
15:08 <Ttech> lmao
15:08 <Ttech> wrtlprnft, my custom bot
15:08 <Ttech> ~part FAIL
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15:09 <wrtlprnft> how did it know about !botjoin?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> !botjoin
15:09 <wrtlprnft> or is that a client side thing?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> or did you just fake it
15:10 <pippijn> torres: << typeid (void (*)(int, ...)).name ()
15:10 <torres> PFvizE
15:10 <pippijn> torres: << typeid (void (*)(int)).name ()
15:10 <torres> PFviE
15:12  * wrtlprnft didn't even know those (...) function even exist in c++… I thought they were an extern "C" thing
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16:15 <wrtlprnft> wow, now we have a wiki article on how to use the help system
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16:30 <Stewie-arma> I need help, how do I get it?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> shift-esc
16:31 <flex> for cheat menu^
16:32 <flex> for help you'll want alt+f4
16:32 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/rt64.txt
16:32 <Stewie-arma> sweet
16:32 <Stewie-arma> alright so alt f4
16:32 <Stewie-arma> it didn't work
16:33 <Stewie-arma> I think I want the cheat menu
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Stewie-arma: it crashes once in a while
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Stewie-arma: keep trying.
16:33 <Stewie-arma> darn, that didn't work either
16:33 <flex> yes, keep trying
16:33 <wrtlprnft> so, err, do you have a real question
16:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry for spoiling the fun
16:33 <Stewie-arma> it's giving me a beeping noise
16:34 <flex> harness that beeping!
16:34 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: what IS rt64?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> your preprocessor?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> or torres?
16:34 <pippijn> no
16:34 <pippijn> that's torres
16:34 <wrtlprnft> or something else?
16:35 <pippijn> reload
16:35 <pippijn> it's with ls -h now
16:36 <wrtlprnft> --si > -h
16:37 <pippijn> reload
16:37 <wrtlprnft> :-P
16:37 <wrtlprnft> now, what do i do with it?
16:37 <pippijn> nothing
16:37 <pippijn> I just wanted to show you the chroot
16:38 <pippijn> that's all you need to compile C++ programs
16:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i was surprised at that
16:38 <pippijn> it even has a help system (currently broken)
16:38 <pippijn> actually if you use gcc 4.2, you need even less
16:38 <flex> that's the very last time I buy a creative sound card..
16:38 <flex> or anything to do with creative
16:38 <flex> those guys are cunts
16:38 <pippijn> gcc 4.3 depends on libgmp and libmpfr
16:39  * wrtlprnft guesses gcc 2.x is smaller
16:39 <pippijn> possibly
16:39 <wrtlprnft> if it can even do c++, i have no idea
16:39 <pippijn> but not necessarily
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8373 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp):
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Manuel Moos: MIN_VOTERS now correctly applied to votes that not everyone can
16:39 <pippijn> 2.95 can
16:39 <pippijn> but not correctly
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: technically vote on. The messages are still a bit strange (first, it looks as if
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: the vote got accepted as a valid vote), but we'll have to live with that (or
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: duplicate some code).
16:39 <pippijn> it has no correct support for placement new
16:40 <pippijn> placement new only works with default constructors
16:40 <pippijn> so if you wanted placement new with parameters, you needed to pass the parameters to operator new
16:40 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:40 <wrtlprnft> placement new as in A a; A::~A; new(a) A(<params>);?
16:41 <wrtlprnft> err
16:41 <wrtlprnft> a.~A()
16:41 <pippijn> placement new as in A *a = new (place) A (params);
16:42 <wrtlprnft> isn't that what i said, basically?
16:42  * wrtlprnft doesn't know the correct syntax for that by heart
16:42 <pippijn> uhm
16:42 <pippijn> yes, like that
16:42 <pippijn> usually, you don't use it for that, though
16:43 <wrtlprnft> i know :-P
16:44 <pippijn> torres: struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } }; { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; }
16:44 <torres> expected unqualified-id before '{' token
16:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a bad idea, yada yada. I never did that except for testing that it did in fact work
16:44 <pippijn> torres: -t struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } }; M { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; }
16:44 <torres> A*A*A*
16:45 <pippijn> torres: -t struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } void operator delete (void*){} }; M { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; delete a; delete b; delete c; }
16:45 <torres> A*A*A*A~A~A~
16:45 <pippijn> no heap used
16:45 <wrtlprnft> torres: {main();}
16:45 <torres> Subprocess /t died on signal 11 (Segmentation fault)
16:45 <wrtlprnft> hehe
16:45 <pippijn> torres: << main
16:45 <torres> ISO C++ forbids taking address of function '::main'
16:45 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: i know how it works
16:46 <wrtlprnft> torres: void f(){f();} int main(){f();}
16:46 <torres> Timeout: /t
16:46 <wrtlprnft> aww
16:46 <wrtlprnft> can't die from infinite recursion
16:46 <pippijn> due to tail recursion
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17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8374 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed mysterious console message reordering bug: Broadcast() was sending messages with a lower priority.
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17:16 <z-man> Lots of odd old bugs there :)
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17:23 <z-man> Ohh, here's a good one: the first and only the first console message longer than about 1500 characters is truncated.
17:23 <z-man> And those help messages get pretty long.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: 1500? where does that number come from?
17:28 <z-man> It's around the usual MTU.
17:28 <z-man> Packets larger than that have to be split and run a higher risk to get lost.
17:29 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
17:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_728.png
17:30 <wrtlprnft> the people on x sumo must suck a lot today
17:30 <wrtlprnft> or it's just that they all complained about lag while i didn't notice a thing
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8375 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp):
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: More economic sending of empty strings.
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Authentication will no longer fail mysteriously if 0.2.0 clients are present (don't ask :) ).
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed playback hickups.
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17:59  * wrtlprnft resists the urge to ask
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18:03 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr_, you there?
18:03 <epsy> wrtlprnft, now you made me go look at logs and see your nice score, are you happy?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> don't trust me?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> note that i could have just edited them
18:06  * epsy was just wondering what that * wrtlprnft resists the urge to ask * line meant
18:06 <epsy> #ping
18:06 <armabot> pong
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8376 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetwork.cpp nNetwork.h): Splitting too long console messages into several packets instead of just truncating them. Sometimes.
18:06 <epsy> spam_maxlen 123456789 eh?
18:08 <z-man> The "don't ask" was merely referring to the prehistoric version that doesn't even compile any more.
18:08 <z-man> But we're still compatible with it!
18:09 <z-man> I think.
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18:29 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Authentication will no longer fail mysteriously if 0.2.0 clients are present (don't ask :) ).
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8377 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp: Fixed recording/playback desyncing bug with CASACL, the changed access level could leak on playback.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> z-man: wouldn't the sa
18:34 <wrtlprnft> me happen to super-long message_of_days?
18:35 <z-man> Probably, yes. But I'm not in the mood to avoid IP fragmentation there.
18:36 <z-man> With console messages, we can fragment them manually and the client won't bother if they come in bits, it doesn't have to reassemble them.
18:36 <z-man> but a fullscreen message would have to be assembled before it can be displayed.
18:37 <wrtlprnft> true.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> that might be something for the network layer, anyways
18:38 <z-man> Yep.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> some sort of support for continued nMessages
18:39 <z-man> Or just enforcing a big input buffer. Apart from the higher packet loss, which isn't really that much of a problem, the only trouble is that if an UDP packet is bigger than the receiving computer's input buffer, it will get truncated.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> oh well, i guess we'll just have to live with it being impossible to pack more than 166 color codes (+1 letter per color) into one fullscreen message
18:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8378 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: If a player who is currently on a team creates a new team, there is now an immediate message about it.
18:53 <z-man> Tragic, yes. Think we should build in some subtle bug that crashes the server?
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19:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8379 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ (ePlayer.cpp eTeam.cpp): Better new team creation message.
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19:44 <pippijn> torres: << ""
19:44 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
19:54 <luke-jr_> z-man: wrtlprnft, you're assuming 1500 bytes is allowed
19:54 <luke-jr_> IIRC, dialup has a MTU closer to 512 bytes
20:26 <wrtlprnft> you can't play arma over dialup. period.
21:10 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i used to
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21:20 <ady|ATool> anyone knows where i can get the first 0.3 release? as the last one lags much for me
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21:24 <epsy> same place
21:33 <ady|ATool> same place?
21:33 <ady|ATool> well anyways no matter now, :)
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23:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: news to me
23:14 <luke-jr_> oh
23:14 <luke-jr_> *I* can't
23:14 <luke-jr_> right
23:14 <luke-jr_> but some people can
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06:15 <luke-jr_> [00:03:09] <saillinux> apeiron: hmm I don't seem to able to spot the W3C log file format parser u just mentioned... do you mean the apache log parser modules on cpan?
06:15 <luke-jr_> [00:03:36] <apeiron> perlbot, u
06:15 <luke-jr_> [00:03:37] <perlbot> 'u' is a letter of the alphabet that comes before 'v' and which can make a variety of sounds - likely, however, if I am asked about it, you're wanting me to point out how GALACTICALLY STUPID using 'u' instead of 'you' will appear.  You can wean yourself of this habit by silently pronouncing it to yourself as 'oo' when you are typing it, and then you will realize how stupid you look.
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07:12 <mkzelda> The letter "U" has been pronounced YOU as long as I've known.
07:12 <mkzelda> not 'oo'
07:12 <mkzelda> but maybe im missing the joke
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07:14 <mkzelda> Are we supposed to pretend its 'oo' so that we can make fun of the guy that saved 2 keystrokes because he understands homophones
07:32 <MrBougo> i'm going to time out this time, instead of disconnecting
07:32 <MrBougo> bai, have a nice day
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10:13 <eddiefantastic> Ah, I see :)/away
10:13 <eddiefantastic> oops
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12:18 <luke-jr_> mental note for whomever: libcurl with SSL support is not GPL-compatible
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12:32 <wrtlprnft> …
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15:50 <mkzelda> what bout if you build w/ 'bindist'
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17:07 <garbagegarbage> bah
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17:24 <MrBougo> lol
17:24 <MrBougo> sup garbagegarbage
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17:39 <wrtlprnft> wow
17:39 <wrtlprnft> how do you make a screen recording that crappy?
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19:25 <K-Yo> is it normal that I have to "make run" as root if I use latest svn build?
19:27 <luke-jr> K-Yo: you shouldn't do anything Arma-controlled as root
19:27 <luke-jr> that's just asking for Lucifer to pwn your system
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19:33 <K-Yo> Lucifer, please do not pwn my system
19:34 <K-Yo> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in tron/gArmagetron.cpp:689 :
19:34 <K-Yo>         var directory not writable or does not exist. It should reside inside your user data directory and should have been created automatically on first start, but something must have gone wrong. Your user data directory is subdirectory named .armagetronad in your home directory.
19:34 <K-Yo> make: *** [run] Erreur 1
19:34 <K-Yo> that is what I get if I "make run" if I "sudo make run" it works
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19:40 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: that happens if you did make run as root the first time
19:41 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: sudo chown -r `whoami` var
19:45 <luke-jr> chown -R `whoami` .
19:46 <luke-jr> might be better
19:46 <luke-jr> having root-owned object files won't help him much either
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19:52 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~/arma$ sudo chown -R `whoami` var
19:52 <K-Yo> sudo: /var/run/sudo owned by uid 1000, should be uid 0
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19:54 <epsy> wtf are you doing...
19:56 <K-Yo> what wrtlprnft and luke-jr told me to
19:56 <K-Yo> now I can't run su :(
19:56 <K-Yo> anymore
19:56 <luke-jr> ………..
19:56  * luke-jr smacks K-Yo
19:57 <luke-jr> you just b0rked your system
19:57 <K-Yo> how much ?
19:57 <luke-jr> quite a bit
19:57 <K-Yo> how big is that quite?
19:57 <K-Yo> that bit
19:57 <luke-jr> please paste the lines before the ones you did
19:57 <luke-jr> the first sudo chown stuff
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ sudo chown -R `whoami`
19:58 <K-Yo> [sudo] password for k-yo:
19:58 <K-Yo> chown: opérande manquante après `k-yo'
19:58 <K-Yo> Pour en savoir davantage, faites: « chown --help ».
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ sudo chown -r `whoami` var
19:58 <K-Yo> chown: option invalide -- r
19:58 <K-Yo> Pour en savoir davantage, faites: « chown --help ».
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ sudo chown -R `whoami` var
19:58 <K-Yo> chown: ne peut accéder `var': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ sudo chown -R `whoami` /var
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ cd arma
19:58 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~/arma$ sudo chown -R `whoami` var
19:58 <luke-jr> yeah
19:58 <K-Yo> sudo: /var/run/sudo owned by uid 1000, should be uid 0
19:58 <luke-jr> you f'd it up
19:58 <luke-jr> [14:02:00] <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ sudo chown -R `whoami` /var
19:58 <K-Yo> T.T
19:58 <luke-jr> = suicide
19:58 <K-Yo> that much?
19:59 <luke-jr> what OS?
19:59 <K-Yo> ubuntu
19:59 <luke-jr> sign
19:59 <luke-jr> sigh*
19:59 <luke-jr> ok
20:00 <luke-jr> anyone else here have ubuntu?
20:00 <luke-jr> K-Yo: uh, do you happen to have a root shell open btw?
20:00 <K-Yo> nope
20:00 <K-Yo> I never let root shell open
20:01 <K-Yo> I jsut type sudo every line
20:01 <luke-jr> do you have a root pass?
20:01 <K-Yo> (I need)
20:01 <K-Yo> yep
20:01 <luke-jr> ok
20:01 <luke-jr> use su
20:01 <K-Yo> it can't
20:02 <K-Yo> when I type my pass it says error
20:02 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$ su
20:02 <K-Yo> Mot de passe :
20:02 <K-Yo> su : Échec d'authentification
20:02 <K-Yo> Désolé.
20:02 <K-Yo> k-yo@k-yo-laptop:~$
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20:05 <luke-jr> poor K-Yo
20:05 <K-Yo> I think I'm sudo if I run the recovery no?
20:06 <luke-jr> what?
20:06 <luke-jr> i think you need to boot a livecd now
20:06 <K-Yo> oh
20:06 <luke-jr> ideally an Ubuntu one
20:06 <K-Yo> I have one in my player
20:06 <luke-jr> ok
20:06 <K-Yo> but I have to push the tray
20:06 <luke-jr> come back once you're on the livecd then I gues
20:06 <K-Yo> and then press restart
20:06 <K-Yo> eeer
20:07 <K-Yo> can I launch xchat from live cd?
20:11 <wrtlprnft> err, sorry for not telling you to not, in any case, ever, put a / in front of var
20:11 <wrtlprnft> now, what the hell is sudo doing in /var?
20:12 <K-Yo> is it me you're asking to? :S
20:13 <wrtlprnft> anyone responsible for the mess that calls itself ubuntu
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20:15 <K-Yo> is anything in the dir /var/backups interesting?
20:16 <K-Yo> such as group.bak  or  passwd.bak
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20:46 <K-Yo> luke-jr, wrtlprnft, I solved my problem ;)
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20:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: sudo uses files in /var
20:47 <luke-jr> sudo also freaks out if anything is out of the norm
20:48 <luke-jr> it assumes someone is trying to hack the system
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> epsy: mind if I permanently set BUG_COLOR_OVERFLOW 0 on x sumo? it's really annoying.
21:51 <epsy> er yes
21:52 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i mean, i don't mind
21:54 <wrtlprnft> well, someone having a whity-yellowish color if they're on team blue is quite buggy
21:54 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: and i still don't understand why you don't just completely filter dark colors on your client
21:55 <wrtlprnft> turn them into the closest non-dark color or something
21:55 <wrtlprnft>  9 BUG_COLOR_OVEFLOW 0
21:56 <wrtlprnft> it was already there, just typoed
21:56 <epsy> the closest non-dark color would be in most cases unreadable
21:56 <epsy> heh$
21:56 <wrtlprnft> so what does your serverside code do, then?
21:57 <epsy> it simply filters them
21:57 <epsy> the probalem was, that the client doesn't know what is a /team message
21:58 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:04 <wrtlprnft> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/config_tournament_server/annotate/z-man%40users.sf.net-20080319164813-ju139wm2rill41in?file_id=doc.cfg-20080319164806-dqzti7qb5sa0c3sd-1
22:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, you can actually use \ for continuation lines? neat.
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22:23 <luke-jr> lol
22:42 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: you're wrong about your texture statement, btw
22:43 <wrtlprnft> arma DOES run faster w/o textures on my crappy card
22:45 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: 29fps vs 38 fps with the exact same recording. Not to mention that big textures (like 2048^2, even mipmapped) really slow it down a lot.
23:18 <zmanuel> ah? ok.
23:19 <zmanuel> I was under the impression that as long as textures fit completely into the card's memory, there should not be a slowdonw.
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00:15 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: err, note that my card HAS no memory. All it does is steal RAM
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02:48 <luke-jr> any idea why 65.18.192.127:4538 isn't on the master list?
02:49 <ct|kyle> because PING_FLOOOD_BAN
02:49 <luke-jr> …
02:50 <ct|kyle> it happened to CTWF when i set those way too high
02:50 <luke-jr> english?
02:51 <ct|kyle> #cfg PING_FLOOD
02:51 <armabot> ct|kyle: PING_FLOOD_GLOBAL: The times PING_FLOOD_TIME_X, multiplied by this value, count for all pings from all machines. Negative values disable global flood protection. (default: 0.1) || PING_FLOOD_TIME_10: Minimum time for 10 ping packets from one machine to arrive. (default: 1) || PING_FLOOD_TIME_100: Minimum time for 100 ping packets from one machine to arrive. (default: 100) || (1 more message)
02:51 <luke-jr> #cfg PING_FLOOD_BAN
02:51 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
02:51 <luke-jr> PING_FLOOD_* are defaults, anyhow
02:52 <ct|kyle> PING_FLOOD_TIME_* i mean
02:52 <ct|kyle> oh
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03:23 <Ttech> ¿>,<?
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03:25 <SmoothIcE> How do you make a CTF server?
03:26 <SmoothIcE> Is anyone here?
03:26 <luke-jr> SmoothIcE: there are many ways
03:27 <luke-jr> the cheapest is to patch 0.2.8 yourself and compile a new binary
03:27 <ct|kyle> the best way is to JFGI
03:27 <luke-jr> but it's also fairly difficult if you don't know how to work with code
03:27 <SmoothIcE> so "cheapest" meaning it costs money?
03:27 <hoax> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=CTF
03:27 <hoax> aparently
03:27 <luke-jr> no, that way just "costs" time and skill
03:28 <SmoothIcE> o
03:28 <SmoothIcE> oh
03:28 <SmoothIcE> is there a way to do it without much experience
03:28 <luke-jr> the "easy" way would be to buy hosting service with me ;)
03:28 <SmoothIcE> and you host CTFs?
03:28 <luke-jr> sure
03:28 <SmoothIcE> oh cool
03:29 <luke-jr> not sure if anyone's actually using CTF mode right now, but I support it
03:29 <SmoothIcE> oh
03:29 <SmoothIcE> well
03:29 <SmoothIcE> im looking for a personal solution
03:29 <SmoothIcE> could you guide me in the right direction?
03:29 <hoax> ctf is laggy enough without it being hosted by luke
03:29 <luke-jr> are you using Linux?
03:29 <SmoothIcE> I can do any platform
03:29 <SmoothIcE> except windows
03:30 <SmoothIcE> but
03:30 <SmoothIcE> the answer is yes
03:30 <luke-jr> ok, well Windows would be a royal pain
03:30 <SmoothIcE> Ok, well i use linux then
03:30 <luke-jr> cool
03:30 <luke-jr> do you have a general idea how to compile Arma?
03:30 <SmoothIcE> not really, but I do have general knowledge with command line and source code
03:30 <SmoothIcE> if that helps
03:31 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/pigsty-061021-ljr5.patch.bz2 is the patch you'll need
03:31 <SmoothIcE> Ok, downloaded.
03:31 <luke-jr> I'm not sure if it applies cleanly to 0.2.8.2.1
03:32 <luke-jr> but latest 0.2.8 in Svn is unstable, so if not, I'd suggest looking for an old rev that is sane
03:32 <luke-jr> #svn
03:32 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
03:32 <luke-jr> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad -r 7731
03:32 <luke-jr> that one might be sane
03:32 <luke-jr> not sure
03:33 <SmoothIcE> so how do I download that stuff and apply the patch
03:33 <ct|kyle> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Sty
03:33 <SmoothIcE> Oh
03:33 <luke-jr> 8301 is what I have on my CT server
03:33 <SmoothIcE> that will help
03:33 <luke-jr> type: svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad -r 7731
03:33 <luke-jr> err
03:33 <luke-jr> type: svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad -r 8301
03:33 <luke-jr> that will download the code into an 'armagetronad' dir
03:33 <luke-jr> cd armagetronad
03:34 <luke-jr> bzip2 -d < pigsty-061021-ljr5.patch.bz2 | patch -p0
03:34 <luke-jr> that will attempt to patch the code
03:34 <luke-jr> if it fails, let me know by pasting your errors to http://rafb.net/paste
03:34 <SmoothIcE> ok
03:34 <luke-jr> once you have that done, ./configure --disable-glout && make run
03:34 <luke-jr> then you have a CTF server running
03:35 <SmoothIcE> Is all of that on the WIki page
03:35 <ct|kyle> somewhere
03:35 <luke-jr> SmoothIcE: wiki page looks to only use old pigsty patches
03:36 <SmoothIcE> oh
03:36 <luke-jr> I'm too lazy to update it, and I'm not sure how I'd get the bzr branch thing updated with the more recent patch anyway
03:36 <ct|kyle> same diff just get luke-jr's
03:36 <luke-jr> actually, not quite the same since mine isn't in a ZIP, it's bzip2
03:37 <luke-jr> but the commands I said here should work
03:37 <SmoothIcE> so should I save this chat and refer to it later
03:37 <luke-jr> sure
03:37 <luke-jr> oh, and 'make install' is probably a bad idea in general compared with 'make run' or packages
03:37  * luke-jr ponders adding a pigsty USE flag to the Gentoo ebuilds
03:38 <ct|kyle> why zip do you really think anyone in thier right mind would use windows for a CTF tron server
03:38 <SmoothIcE> so if you hosted a CTF server for someone, where would i get information
03:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: uh, the old patch is ZIP, not mine
03:39 <luke-jr> mien is bzip2 :þ
03:40 <luke-jr> SmoothIcE: ?
03:40 <SmoothIcE> ya?
03:40 <ct|kyle> oh
03:41 <luke-jr> SmoothIcE: English? :þ
03:41 <SmoothIcE> nevermind
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05:30 <flex> #later wrtlprnft hey, could we talk later. :) (regarding the FFF.)
05:30 <flex> bah, did i do it wrong
05:52 <Ttech> #help later
05:52 <Ttech> I doubt it
05:52 <armabot> Ttech: Error: There is no command "later".
05:52 <Ttech> Yeah
05:52 <Ttech> #echo chr 1
05:52 <armabot> chr 1
05:52 <Ttech> #echo [chr 1]
05:52 <armabot> [chr 1]
05:52 <Ttech> #chr1
05:52 <Ttech> #chr 1
05:52 <Ttech> boom?
05:53 <Ttech> #echo I FAIL
05:53 <armabot> I FAIL
05:53 <Ttech> aaaw
05:53 <Ttech> it strips it now
05:53 <Ttech> ;
05:53 <Ttech> flex,  I could get it to do ctcp requests
05:53 <Ttech> ;P
05:55 <luke-jr> Ttech fails
05:55 <Ttech> luke-jr,  never
05:55 <Ttech> #list
05:55 <armabot> Ttech: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
05:55 <Ttech> #list alias
05:55 <armabot> Ttech: monologue, roulette, 42, action, add, afl, aka, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, babel, ball, bigbrother, bigos, botsnack, bounce, bug, bye, cat, cfg, chatlog, check, cinf, cink, cookie, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, delire, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, disclaimer, do, dog, dong, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, finc, fink, fofo, fortune, g, gcalc, (3 more messages)
05:55 <Ttech> #insult  luke-jr
05:56 <armabot> luke-jr - You are nothing but a thick stack of tasteless heads.
05:56 <Ttech> #insult luke-jr
05:56 <armabot> luke-jr - You are nothing but an acidic heap of knotty-pated assholes.
05:56 <Ttech> #insult luke-jr
05:56 <armabot> luke-jr - You are nothing but a craven mound of inferior seagull.
05:56  * Ttech runs
05:56 <Ttech> #quot
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: "
05:56 <Ttech> #list quote
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
05:56 <Ttech> #list quote stats
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
05:56 <Ttech> #quote stats
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: There are 64 quotes in my database.
05:56 <Ttech> #quote 1
05:56 <Ttech> #quote get 1
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
05:56 <Ttech> #quote get 2
05:56 <armabot> Ttech: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
05:56 <Ttech> #armagetron++
05:57 <Ttech> ~markov
05:57 <Ttech> #markov
05:57 <Ttech> #markov
05:57  * Ttech cries
05:57 <Ttech> #ping
05:57 <armabot> pong
05:57  * Ttech feels ignored
05:57 <Ttech> #list misc
05:57 <armabot> Ttech: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
05:57 <Ttech> #tell
05:57 <armabot> Ttech: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
05:57 <Ttech> #tell luke-jr I'm cool
05:57 <luke-jr> die
05:58 <Ttech> luke-jr, told ya
05:58 <Ttech> luke-jr,  I know a lot about supybots
05:58 <Ttech> includng
05:58 <Ttech> ~echo I No hater
05:58 <Ttech> ~echo I Hate you $randNick
05:58 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: can you add Ttech to armabot's ignore?
05:58 <Ttech> luke-jr,  no!
05:58 <Ttech> ;P
05:58 <Ttech> it ignored me
05:58 <Ttech> luke-jr,  I befriended wrtlprnft
05:58 <Ttech> ;P
05:58 <luke-jr> actually, you're just stupid
05:58 <Ttech> luke-jr,  no
05:58 <luke-jr> ~ is not #
05:58 <luke-jr> foo
05:59 <Ttech> Actually,  wrtlprnft  you need to set echo to admin only
05:59 <Ttech> #echo $randNick <--- this is bad
05:59 <armabot> hoax <--- this is bad
05:59 <luke-jr> no it isn't
05:59 <Ttech> ^^ see my point?
05:59 <luke-jr> #echo $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick $randNick <-- THIS is bad
05:59 <Ttech> luke-jr,  it can  be used by anyone
05:59 <armabot> hoax noob7_away torres N9_kiwi flex Lucifer_bed noob7_away cusco wireddd duudii mkzelda duudii <-- THIS is bad
05:59 <luke-jr> it's supposed to be
05:59 <Ttech> luke-jr,  see my point
05:59 <luke-jr> just not abused
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05:59 <flex> whyyyy
05:59 <Ttech> luke-jr,  I made that admin only
05:59 <luke-jr> lol
06:00 <Ttech> luke-jr,  and I made relpy user onjly
06:00 <luke-jr> Ttech: if you make it admin only, it can't be used legitimately
06:00 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
06:00 <Ttech> Also I made it so you had to be identifed with the bot to use any command that could be used
06:00 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 112th with a rating of 1629-1665 (from 1634-1665)
06:00 <flex> #rating
06:00 <luke-jr> that makes for a pretty useless bot
06:00 <flex> #rating flex
06:00 <armabot> flex:  is 3366th with a rating of 1416-1481 (from 1272-1678)
06:00 <armabot> flex: flex is 958th with a rating of 1536-1591 (from 1150-1850)
06:00 <Ttech> luke-jr,  HOw the heck can #echo $randNick be used legitimately
06:00 <flex> lolol
06:00 <Ttech> Honestly
06:00 <Ttech> Thats the only unsafe command
06:00 <Ttech> you have
06:00 <hoax> heyyy :/
06:00 <luke-jr> Ttech: like #kill
06:00 <luke-jr> #kill Ttech
06:00 <armabot> Ttech will die on Sat Mar 22 06:04:31 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by luke-jr
06:00 <Ttech> lmao
06:00 <Ttech> #help kill
06:01 <luke-jr> well, it used to use randomnick
06:01 <armabot> Ttech: (kill <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo $1 will die on $now due to being stabbed in the eye by $who".
06:01 <flex> #rape luke-jr
06:01 <armabot> flex is a child molestor
06:01 <luke-jr> Ttech: anyhow, you can't disable $randNick without disablign #echo in general
06:01 <flex> haha luke-jr is a child..
06:01 <Ttech> luke-jr, h4xr'
06:01 <Ttech> luke-jr,  like I said I worked on supybots
06:01 <Ttech> ;P
06:01 <luke-jr> #help rating
06:01 <armabot> luke-jr: (rating <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]".
06:01 <luke-jr> Ttech: so did I
06:01 <luke-jr> :þ
06:01 <Ttech> I made my own utilities moulde
06:01 <Ttech> to be safer
06:01 <luke-jr> if you want to join ##Church, I'll show off my module
06:02 <Ttech> luke-jr,  I'm scared to
06:02  * Ttech is jewish 
06:02 <hoax> Why isnt luke-jr bot in here? XD
06:02 <luke-jr> hoax: guru3 doesn't allow other bots
06:02 <luke-jr> in fact, I wonder why torres is still here
06:02 <luke-jr> maybe he hasn't been around
06:02 <Ttech> lol
06:02 <Ttech> #list
06:02 <armabot> Ttech: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Format, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
06:02 <Ttech> do you actually have a google key? 0.0
06:02  * Ttech cries
06:02  * Ttech is sad
06:02 <Ttech> ;P
06:03 <luke-jr> #g 4+2
06:03 <armabot> luke-jr: 4 + 2 = 6
06:03 <Ttech> yeah
06:03 <luke-jr> apparently
06:03 <Ttech> #g 13432423 seconds in minutes
06:03 <armabot> Ttech: 13,432,423 seconds = 223,873.717 minutes
06:03 <luke-jr> #g the answer to life, the universe, and everything
06:03 <Ttech> yeap
06:03 <armabot> luke-jr: the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42
06:03 <Ttech> 0.o
06:03 <luke-jr> lol
06:03 <flex> 42?
06:03 <luke-jr> yep
06:03 <Ttech> luke-jr,  see I'm the only on in all of #botters who does not think Supybots don't suck
06:03 <Ttech> :P
06:03 <flex> where's that from..
06:03 <Ttech> flex,  Hitchikeersguiede
06:03 <luke-jr> …
06:04 <Ttech> luke-jr,  lol
06:04 <Ttech> The_Master is my bot
06:04 <luke-jr> Ttech: ##Church
06:04 <hoax> #g flex's IQ
06:04 <Ttech> however it died
06:04 <armabot> hoax: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:04 <hoax> LOL
06:04 <Ttech> luke-jr, #botters
06:04 <luke-jr> #rating hoax
06:04 <armabot> luke-jr: hoax is 2200th with a rating of 1465-1555 (from 1466-1553)
06:04 <Ttech> owned
06:04 <flex> lol
06:04 <luke-jr> hoax: haha, you suck
06:04 <luke-jr> :þ
06:04 <flex> hahahahaha
06:04 <hoax> #rating |x|_hoax
06:04 <armabot> hoax: |x|_hoax is 731st with a rating of 1552-1573 (from 1546-1578)
06:04 <hoax> pwnt.
06:05 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
06:05 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 112th with a rating of 1629-1665 (from 1634-1665)
06:05 <luke-jr> hoax: pwnt whom?
06:05 <flex> #rating |x|_flex
06:05 <hoax> haha
06:05 <Ttech> #rating Ttech
06:05 <armabot> flex: |x|_flex is 958th with a rating of 1536-1591 (from 1150-1850)
06:05 <Ttech> 0.o
06:05 <Ttech> lag
06:05 <armabot> Ttech: I don't know anything about 'ttech'!
06:05 <hoax> flex :D
06:05 <Ttech> aaaw
06:05 <Ttech> WTf
06:05 <luke-jr> lol
06:05 <Ttech> Where is it getting rating?
06:05 <Ttech> #help rating
06:05 <luke-jr> the game
06:05 <armabot> Ttech: (rating <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]".
06:05 <Ttech> ooh
06:05 <Ttech> ;)
06:05 <Ttech> thats why
06:05 <flex> no..
06:05 <flex> not the game
06:05 <Ttech> #rating The_Doctor
06:05 <armabot> Ttech: the_doctor is 8152nd with a rating of 1235-1348 (from 1133-1333)
06:05 <Ttech> yeah
06:05 <luke-jr> ROFL
06:05 <Ttech> There I am
06:06 <Ttech> sucking as sever
06:06 <flex> a spreadsheet in china ;)
06:06 <Ttech> luke-jr, I have not played in over a long time
06:06 <Ttech> flex,  china?
06:06 <flex> yes
06:06  * Ttech pkes this
06:06 <Ttech> #web fetch http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=
06:06 <armabot> Ttech:  is 3365th with a rating of 1416-1481 (from 1272-1678)
06:06 <Ttech> lol
06:06 <luke-jr> …
06:06 <luke-jr> even the null string is better than you
06:06 <Ttech> How  is that possible?
06:06 <Ttech> luke-jr,  I have not played in 6 months
06:06 <Ttech> ;P
06:07 <luke-jr> so?
06:07 <hoax> thats what they all say
06:07 <flex> luke-jr, you just suck balls
06:07 <Ttech> ;/
06:07 <hoax> you wish flex :|
06:07 <luke-jr> #rating ctxp4
06:07 <flex> if i actually cared, i'd fuck your rating in the balls
06:07 <armabot> luke-jr: ctxp4 is 687th with a rating of 1557-1599 (from 1560-1597)
06:07  * Ttech pokes the web app I'm working on for Full Circle MAgazine
06:07 <Ttech> yep it dead
06:07 <luke-jr> #rating g5vc
06:07 <hoax> #rating |x|_infamous
06:08 <armabot> luke-jr: g5vc is 9557th with a rating of 1150-1850
06:08 <armabot> hoax: |x|_infamous is 22nd with a rating of 1685-1709 (from 1687-1729)
06:08 <hoax> heh ;)
06:08 <Ttech> #rating nerdo
06:08 <luke-jr> :o
06:08 <armabot> Ttech: nerdo is 163rd with a rating of 1617-1659 (from 1621-1674)
06:08 <Ttech> aaaaw
06:08 <luke-jr> #rating armabot
06:08 <armabot> luke-jr: armabot is 9557th with a rating of 1150-1850
06:08 <Ttech> nerdo owns me?
06:08 <Ttech> lmao
06:08 <Ttech> #rating the_Master
06:08 <armabot> Ttech: the_master is 3968th with a rating of 1391-1627 (from 1150-1850)
06:08 <Ttech> My bot beats me?
06:08 <Ttech> Thats just sad
06:08 <luke-jr> lol
06:08 <hoax> its shite, but does have some truth to it ;P
06:08 <Ttech> ;P
06:08 <luke-jr> #rating eclipsed.bot
06:09 <Ttech> #rating hoax
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating eclipsed1.bot
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'eclipsed.bot'!
06:09 <armabot> Ttech: hoax is 2201st with a rating of 1465-1555 (from 1466-1553)
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: eclipsed1.bot is 3962nd with a rating of 1392-1430 (from 1400-1441)
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating eclipsed2.bot
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating eclipsed3.bot
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'eclipsed2.bot'!
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'eclipsed3.bot'!
06:09 <luke-jr> :o
06:09 <Ttech> #rating linux
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating armagetron
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating gdb
06:09 <flex> hoax "nano" is higher then infa
06:09 <luke-jr> #rating gcc
06:09 <armabot> Ttech: linux is 288th with a rating of 1596-1665 (from 1598-1664)
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: armagetron is 1676th with a rating of 1492-1507 (from 1150-1850)
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: gdb is 1119th with a rating of 1526-1579 (from 1530-1589)
06:09 <armabot> luke-jr: gcc is 1676th with a rating of 1492-1507 (from 1150-1850)
06:09 <hoax> ew
06:09 <flex> #rating 	.dbd|_nano
06:09  * luke-jr thinks someone must be playing with the name linux
06:09 <armabot> flex: .dbd|_nano is 12th with a rating of 1701-1793 (from 1150-1850)
06:09 <Ttech> #rating <>><
06:09 <hoax> wow
06:09 <armabot> Ttech: I don't know anything about '<>><'!
06:09 <Ttech> its a fish!
06:09 <hoax> must suck :/
06:09 <Ttech> ><
06:10 <luke-jr> #rating gltron
06:10 <Ttech> #rating tron
06:10 <armabot> luke-jr: gltron is 467th with a rating of 1575-1639 (from 1611-1680)
06:10 <armabot> Ttech: tron is 5782nd with a rating of 1327-1381 (from 1248-1450)
06:10 <Ttech> lmao
06:10 <hoax> ppl like nano are ladder players anyway ;)
06:10 <flex> #rating yourladdersystemsucksballslukeyoushouldgetshot
06:10 <armabot> flex: I don't know anything about 'yourladdersystemsucksballslukeyoushouldgetshot'!
06:10 <Ttech> how is  itover 18000
06:10 <luke-jr> #rating oorain
06:10 <Ttech> #rating Iflood
06:10 <armabot> luke-jr: oorain is 1798th with a rating of 1486-1637 (from 1487-1637)
06:10 <armabot> Ttech: I don't know anything about 'iflood'!
06:10 <hoax> #rating z-man
06:10 <Ttech> #rating  l33t
06:10 <armabot> hoax: z-man is 1755th with a rating of 1489-1538 (from 1521-1570)
06:10 <armabot> Ttech: l33t is 1826th with a rating of 1484-1741 (from 1485-1741)
06:10 <Ttech> #rating  php
06:10 <armabot> Ttech: I don't know anything about 'php'!
06:11 <Ttech> you should!
06:11 <Ttech> #rating python
06:11 <Ttech> #rating perl
06:11 <armabot> Ttech: python is 3868th with a rating of 1396-1466 (from 1397-1464)
06:11 <armabot> Ttech: perl is 4422nd with a rating of 1374-1544 (from 1375-1544)
06:11 <luke-jr> ♡ Perl
06:11  * Ttech lovesp ython
06:11  * Ttech ♡ PHP
06:11  * Ttech ♡ Python
06:11  * Ttech ♡ Ttech
06:12 <luke-jr> Ttech: #politics wants you
06:12 <luke-jr> and your bot
06:12 <Ttech> luke-jr,  why?
06:12  * Ttech thinks luke-jr hates hates me
06:13 <flex> are you suicidal?
06:13 <Ttech> yes
06:13 <Ttech> ;P
06:13 <hoax> no to emo.
06:13 <Ttech> Only because my computer killed a project I worked on for two months
06:13 <flex> 0
06:16 <hoax> #night
06:16 <armabot> Good night hoax!
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07:19 <luke-jr> [01:22:16] <Reaper`> Hehe, i was going to medical school after i graduate this year.
07:19 <luke-jr> [01:22:20] <Reaper`> That is really dumb.
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08:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Ttech just don't abuse it. You can spam all you want without a bot, anyways
08:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell flex it's #later tell or #m
08:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no, it's an integrated chip.
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10:22 <wrtlprnft> flex: .
10:22 <flex> morning
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10:23 <flex> yeah, knew it was something like that, just also realised you'd get the message anyway
10:24 <wrtlprnft> it's pretty useless to send me messages via armabot, anyways
10:24 <wrtlprnft> i'll just get them twice
10:24 <flex> aye
10:25 <flex> anyway, it was regarding the thing with the FFF and getting some sort of advertisment on cafe, can that be done?
10:25 <wrtlprnft> if you give me the text for it…
10:25 <luke-jr> #m wrtlprnft hi
10:25 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
10:25 <flex> urm, what do you need
10:26 <flex> actually, how about copy it from the x server
10:26 <wrtlprnft> or i'll just take the thing x sumo is using
10:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:26 <flex> i think we've got something advertising the FFF on there
10:26 <flex> yeah^
10:27 <flex> this is weird, because epsy - i assume would of got this sorted or atleast asked..
10:28 <wrtlprnft> well, he didn't
10:29 <flex> can you also include there's one week left
10:29 <flex> or something
10:30 <wrtlprnft> when do the registrations close?
10:30 <flex> urm..
10:31 <flex> i can't remember, and it's not in the rules.. (i'll add that to the "to-do")
10:32 <flex> doing the maths :p - we're missing like 15people to actually populate it as much as an average ladle.. i was kind of assuming we'd actually have a good amount of people..
10:33 <flex> well, it's still a week left so there's still hope to get afew more people in, considering it's only three teams more to fill
10:34 <wrtlprnft> oh well, a message is there. I don't like relative dates because that would force me to update them
10:40 <flex> could you also add, "Only five days left to register your team. Check the site for more information."
10:41 <wrtlprnft> meh, just tell me when it ends as soon as you find out.
10:41 <wrtlprnft> the five days thing will be outdated tomorrow
10:41 <wrtlprnft> or do you want me to put down the 27th
10:42 <flex> yeah that's a better idea
10:43 <flex> lol, i know when it starts.. "Saturday the 29th "
10:43 <wrtlprnft>  7 0xff0000* 0xffff7fFFFF! Fortress For Four FTW! 0x7fffffhttp://fff.armagetron.co.uk/ 0xffff7fRegister your team before the 27th!
10:43 <flex> i just don't know when registeration will close
10:44 <flex> actually do 25th
10:44 <flex> i just found out now
10:44 <flex> -sorry-
10:44 <wrtlprnft> ok...
10:44 <wrtlprnft> done
10:52 <flex> thanks
10:52 <flex> looks fine
11:03 <wrtlprnft>  yw
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11:55 <K-Yo> #svn
11:55 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
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13:41 <K-Yo> epsy, ping
13:41 <epsy> K-Yo, pong
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15:02 <pippijn> any perl coders around?
15:22 <epsy> pippijn, #perl ?
15:23 <pippijn> epsy: I found it
15:23 <epsy> :-)
15:23 <pippijn> it's kind of ugly, though
15:24 <epsy> they answer all questions but yours?
15:24 <pippijn> I found it before asking
15:25 <pippijn> and #perl would probably disapprove my solution :-D
15:31 <epsy> haha
15:35 <pippijn> epsy: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/9d8d8b3d15cf9fed656ed80fa0084d02.txt
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23:37 <spidey> ok so
23:37 <spidey> got my new router today :D
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01:02 <Monkey_arma> anyone for cafe in  a bit?
01:02 <flex> suck my balls
01:03  * Monkey_arma gets down on one knee and sucks flex's balls
01:03 <Monkey_arma> mmmm tasty
01:03 <flex> urm..
01:06 <epsy> wait..you found them?
01:07 <Monkey_arma> i used a magnifying glass
01:08 <flex> you still sucked them though
01:08 <Monkey_arma> well...i didnt want to seem rude
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01:11 <flex> cafe then?
01:11 <Monkey_arma> if we can get some players....there were some earlier looking for a game in cafe but no others were abou
01:11 <Monkey_arma> lets see if stickynoob is in
01:12 <Monkey_arma> the stickynoob is in
01:13 <StickyNoob> k
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01:54 <flex> luke-jr, StickyNoob said you should suck a big one
01:55 <luke-jr> gtfh
01:56 <Monkey_arma> sticky just insulted someone he thought was luke :)
01:56 <spidey> haha
01:56 <Monkey_arma> but it waaasnt :)
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02:00 <flex> urm wtf
02:00 <flex> my arma just closed
02:01 <luke-jr> teach you not to mess with me
02:11 <flex> so you called it..
02:12 <flex> so it's on huh
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02:44 <StickyNoob> wow
02:44 <StickyNoob> still hard as ever to get people to grind
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02:56 <Monkey_arma> although we did get one new guy to grind first time...that was a rare one
02:57 <tramshed> ?
02:57 <Monkey_arma> yes some guy called snaggleflip or something
02:59 <StickyNoob> yeah that was good
02:59 <StickyNoob> i just got pissed at the guy who polled me because i spoke too much to him while trying to stop him getting killed on every grind
02:59 <hoax> At the end of a /help line it should say something about PageUp
03:01 <Monkey_arma> lol sticky
03:02 <Monkey_arma> also the advert  for the fff is good but it should say that you dont need a team to play
03:02 <StickyNoob> actualy that is one thing that could get improved on the client/server
03:03 <StickyNoob> currently between rounds you get spammed with info, that is just overload so you ignore all of it.  would perhapse be better to limito it to 3 or 4 lines max
03:04  * Monkey_arma agrees 100%
03:05 <hoax> What's cafe's motd, shove announcements in there
03:05 <hoax> Or have certain text repeated only every 10 rounds etc, is that possible?
03:06 <Monkey_arma> thats a great idea
03:06 <Monkey_arma> yes it is
03:06 <StickyNoob> problem is i igonore those adverts as i just count them as the useual spam
03:07 <hoax> yeah so when you see something after 10rounds or whatever, whoa! new stuff; better read that! XD
03:08 <Monkey_arma> i think maybe just one message per round
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07:23 <Stempo> is anyone home?
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07:29 <MrBougo> you are
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07:52 <armabot> pong
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08:34 <armabot> pong
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14:21 <toto> #svn
14:21 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
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17:22 <joda_bot> P4: hi ;)
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17:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:45 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot is alife? ;-)
17:46 <joda_bot> yes
17:46 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  I'm alive
18:02 <MrBougo> :o
18:04 <K-Yo> joda_bot, P4 is not alive him... he has no internet atm :(
18:04 <joda_bot> oh poor him
18:04 <joda_bot> damn
18:05 <joda_bot> K-Yo: tell him, I still want to transfer 10€ to him ;)
18:05 <joda_bot> same goes to wrtlprnft ;)
18:05 <joda_bot> just need the bank details ;)
18:05 <joda_bot> because transfering money to tank's forum site is more complicated
18:06 <joda_bot> and I'd like to give something to those involved with improving styball
18:06 <joda_bot> I'm just trying to setup the nixda styball server
18:07 <joda_bot> currently svn is complaining about not being able to update, because it can't find svn.sourceforge.net
18:11 <Ttech> I guess not a bot
18:11 <joda_bot> Ttech: nope I'm not a bot ;)
18:11 <Ttech> ;P
18:11 <joda_bot> or a very smart one ;)
18:12 <Ttech> joda_bot,  you have not seen phusis
18:12 <Ttech> ;P
18:12 <joda_bot> and lazy ;)
18:12 <Ttech> that bot is amazing
18:12 <joda_bot> Ttech: does it understand / write programming languages like java or c++ ?
18:12 <Ttech> joda_bot,  it sounds like a person
18:13 <Ttech> and Ruby (my ai Bot) is a retarded 2 year old. :P
18:14 <joda_bot> how come ? did u not educate it well ?
18:14 <joda_bot> :-P
18:15 <K-Yo> joda_bot, I pm P4 right now ;)
18:15 <joda_bot> O.o
18:16 <joda_bot> K-Yo: just as long as I transfer 10€ ?
18:16 <K-Yo> <joda_bot> K-Yo: tell him, I still want to transfer 10€ to him ;)
18:16 <K-Yo> I told him
18:16 <K-Yo> ;)
18:17 <K-Yo> but if you're in a hurry, I can give you my bank details :D
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18:18 <joda_bot> K-Yo: no hurry :-)
18:19 <K-Yo> ok :P
18:19 <joda_bot> does he read his email ?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: well, if you really want to give me money, i can give you my kontonummer+BLZ...
18:22 <wrtlprnft> and thanks ;-)
18:22 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do u have OTR installed ?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> OTR?
18:22 <joda_bot> Off the Record Encryption for Pidgin oder another ICQ / IRC like program
18:23 <joda_bot> it allows encryption of instant messaging with a one time key
18:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm, does IRSSI support it? ;-)
18:24 <joda_bot> what's that :-)
18:24 <wrtlprnft> IRC client :-P
18:24 <joda_bot> hehe text based ?
18:24 <joda_bot> lol
18:24 <joda_bot> pure linux fan :-)
18:25 <wrtlprnft> so i can have it in a screen session
18:25 <wrtlprnft> it rocks :D
18:25 <joda_bot> ah ok
18:25 <wrtlprnft> apparently kopete supports it
18:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: but it's your default irc / msn etc. client too ?
18:25 <wrtlprnft> only IRC
18:25 <joda_bot> there are proxies which add the stuff to almost any instant message protocol
18:26 <joda_bot> but it's kind of complicated that way
18:26 <wrtlprnft> true
18:26 <wrtlprnft> meh, what's the secret about my bank account number, anyways?
18:26 <joda_bot> I'll give u my email and u can mail me ur bank details with my gpg key
18:26 <joda_bot> if u want
18:27 <wrtlprnft> it's not like i mind someone sending me money, even unauthorized
18:27 <joda_bot> I just thought u might not want to have it send over the net
18:27 <MrBougo> lol
18:27 <joda_bot> other ppl I talked to have been rather worried about those things
18:27 <joda_bot> ok ;) send it over :-)
18:27 <wrtlprnft> argh, just give me a public SSH key, at least i know how that stuff works
18:28 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: u never tried enigmail then ?
18:28 <joda_bot> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigmail
18:29 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  fair enough
18:29 <Ttech> ;)
18:29 <Ttech> LOL
18:29 <Ttech> armabot, you are sooooo slow
18:29 <Ttech> ;P
18:29 <Ttech> I Was on all yesterday
18:29 <Ttech> and you never sent me that
18:29 <Ttech> ><
18:29 <Ttech> lol
18:30 <joda_bot> Ttech: what are u talking about ? What did armabot not send u until now ?
18:30 <Ttech> joda_bot,  something I will not get into here
18:30 <Ttech> just wiating for wrtlprnft to reply
18:30 <Ttech> ;P
18:31 <joda_bot> Can't u describe it ?
18:32 <wrtlprnft> Ttech: /me is confused.
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18:44 <Ttech> luke-jr, erm "Probability> because you're sitting on the clock luke-jr"
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21:54 <Monkey_arma> ?
21:54 <epsy> ??
21:54 <Monkey_arma> ???!
21:55 <epsy> ????!!
21:56 <Monkey_arma> *:()
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04:39 <Monkey_arma> #kill hoax
04:39 <armabot> hoax will die on Mon Mar 24 04:43:45 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
04:40 <hoax> #insult Monkey_arma
04:40 <armabot> Monkey_arma - You are nothing but a hacked-up mound of vain slurpee-backwash.
04:40  * hoax agrees %100
04:41 <Monkey_arma> #insult hoax
04:41 <armabot> hoax - You are nothing but a malodorous pile of elf-skinned cold.
04:43 <hoax> armabot, Monkey ftw?
04:43 <armabot> Monkey's a twat.
04:43  * hoax agrees %100
04:44 <Monkey_arma> :0
04:44  * Monkey_arma slaps armabot
04:45 <Monkey_arma> how vary dare you
04:46 <hoax> armabot, going to take that?
04:46 <armabot> Shut up Monkey, noob.
04:46 <Monkey_arma> lmao
04:47 <Monkey_arma> damn the AI gets better in this game...i just been done
04:47 <hoax> #night
04:47 <armabot> Good night hoax!
04:47 <hoax> :)
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08:27 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ady* epsy can't edit forum posts made by others, neither can i.
08:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: is there a branch with authentification AND the latest styball memory fixes ?
08:41 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: nice you're getting up early ;)
08:41 <joda_bot> -getting
08:44 <wrtlprnft> not THAT early
08:44 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i think there is, wait a sec
08:44 <wrtlprnft> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
08:45 <wrtlprnft> someone would need to merge the new stuff into this branch
08:45 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll do it after breakfast
08:45 <joda_bot> why isn't that branch on armagetronad ?
08:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:52 <wrtlprnft> we're using bazaar for it because svn isn't really suited for it
08:53 <joda_bot> yeah just noticed when reading through what baza and launchpad is about
08:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man mostly commits over bzr these days
08:53 <joda_bot> so sf svn is out of date and will only contain release versions ?
08:53 <wrtlprnft> no, they're synced
08:54 <joda_bot> hm, ok ... where should user report bugs etc ?
08:54 <joda_bot> this gets kind of confusing ,)
08:55 <wrtlprnft> to launchpad
08:55 <joda_bot> but the branch u mentioned is not on sf
08:55 <joda_bot> so the sync is partial
08:55 <wrtlprnft> we're trying to move off SF, mostly
08:55 <joda_bot> ah ok
08:55 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no, there's a 0.2.8 branch, too, without pig stuff, and that's always in sync
08:56 <joda_bot> probably I failed to notice are there pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site ?
08:56 <joda_bot> a news entry on sf might help to explain where to report bugs , too
08:56 <wrtlprnft> on the wiki
08:56 <joda_bot> i read the sf news ... but did not go to the wiki
08:56 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: gotta ask z-man, guru3 or Lucifer_bed about that, I'm not an admin
08:56 <joda_bot> ok
08:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm currently trying to merge the latest 0.2.8 into the pig stuff
08:57 <wrtlprnft> later, anyways. breakfast
08:58 <joda_bot> thx good hunger
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell z-man* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell luci* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell guru* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
09:25 <joda_bot> #help
09:25 <armabot> joda_bot: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
09:27 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: ok, i'm finished merging, the commit should be on lp soon
09:28 <wrtlprnft> to get it use bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
09:28 <joda_bot> how stable is that branch ?
09:28 <joda_bot> bazaar damn... just painfully compiled svn
09:28 <joda_bot> where can I get the source ?
09:30  * wrtlprnft has no clue about bzr on windows
09:30 <wrtlprnft> if that's what you want
09:30 <wrtlprnft> and on linux you should just use your distribution's package manager
09:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: no I'm trying to improve nixda's server setup to be able to pull current bug fixes
09:31 <joda_bot> for sty ball server
09:31 <joda_bot> it's quite nasty, because the bash env is limited and allows only minimal forks with 4 servers running
09:31 <joda_bot> that's why I had to shutdown nixda's servers
09:31 <joda_bot> should put them back up soon
09:31 <wrtlprnft> oh…
09:32 <wrtlprnft> get another machine to do the fetching from svn/bzr?
09:34 <joda_bot> yeah might be an idea
09:39 <flex> With great power comes great responsibility
09:40 <flex> This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-man.
09:40 <flex> [insert soundtrack]
09:42 <joda_bot> flex: Did you try to comment on our discussion or was that totally unrelated ?
09:42 <joda_bot> - try to
09:43 <flex> tried to :(
09:44 <joda_bot> I wrote "tried to" because I did not understand what exactly u wanted to say with that quotation
09:44 <joda_bot> did u try to say "I should be careful when setting up the server ?"
09:44 <flex> lol no
09:44 <flex> I just finished watching Spiderman 1 again ;)
09:45 <flex> felt i'd share the last sentance
09:45 <joda_bot> ahhh ok ;)
09:45 <joda_bot> see so it was not related ;)
09:47 <flex> true, but hey, it's c00l
09:49 <joda_bot> flex: No objection, but I watched the old cartoon series before the movies so I still prefer the old cartoon series somehow...
09:50 <flex> oh yeah, i agree
09:50 <joda_bot> because the cartoon allows for more charater development I guess ... the movie is abit shorthanded on that part
09:50 <flex> right
09:50 <flex> but don't you think the movie was very well done
09:51 <flex> it hit the spot in my opinion of how a spiderman movie can possibly do it.
09:55 <joda_bot> yeah they did the best effort to press much of the story into the 2h+ movie time
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09:55 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: epsy: anyone good with python ?
09:56 <joda_bot> I have a python 2.4 installed but no python-devel any chance I can get distutils.core without being able to install pyhton-devel ?
09:56  * wrtlprnft doesn't know python very well
09:57 <epsy> we both left over binary distros :þ
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12:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: would I do a bzr pull or bzr checkout ?
12:25 <joda_bot> or how ever will I get the data
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12:32 <wrtlprnft> Download URL:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
12:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  eh got it done ;)
12:33 <wrtlprnft> and after that you just do bzr pull
12:33 <joda_bot> I branched it using bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry, been away
12:33 <joda_bot> it was what the website suggested
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i pasted the wrong thing, anyways
12:33 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to paste what the website suggested :-)
12:33 <joda_bot> Yeah, but it was too small to catch my attention
12:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do u know what version of python arma requires right noe ?
12:34 <joda_bot> now
12:36 <wrtlprnft> arma itself doesn't require python at all
12:36 <joda_bot> I know
12:36 <wrtlprnft> the only thing that requires python is the resource sorter
12:36 <joda_bot> but the build process does
12:37 <wrtlprnft> nothing too recent
12:37 <joda_bot> ok will check that later
12:37 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: any idea how to get the differences between your styball branch and crazy tronners armahacktron ?
12:38 <joda_bot> I got both a local folder and now I'm wondering how to best compare both
12:41 <joda_bot> I guess I solved my prob
12:41 <joda_bot> hehe --- let's see how much bazaar can handle
12:42 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: feel free to create a bzr branch for armahacktron
12:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: something like that I'm about to do
12:42 <wrtlprnft> that would enable us to merge all the armathentication and other changes into it
12:42 <joda_bot> but I guess I need to register and sign up to commit
12:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:43 <wrtlprnft> send a request to join armagetronad-dev, too, so an admin can confirm it
12:49 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: does it usually take long for the registering process ?
12:50  * wrtlprnft only did it once
12:50 <wrtlprnft> no, it doesn't
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12:50 <wrtlprnft> ah, there's the guy you need to ask for membership in armagetronad-dev
12:50 <joda_bot> zmanuel: good day and happy easter
12:51 <zmanuel> Oh, Hi joda :_)
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8380 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft: /rtfm now respects serverside silencing and the spam protection, plus
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: there's an announcement to everyone if someone uses it (but only the sender and
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: receiver get spammed with the complete help text, of course). I don't really
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: understand the code to make a message silencable by the client, though :-(
12:51 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
12:52 <z-man> armagetronad-dev on launchpad, I assume?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:52 <joda_bot> but I can't register as it seems
12:52 <joda_bot> because they won't send me an email :-P
12:53 <joda_bot> email seems to be snail mail nowadays
12:53 <wrtlprnft> graylisting probably
12:54 <joda_bot> on arcor.de ?
12:54 <joda_bot> or university ?
12:54 <wrtlprnft> gotta hate the guy who invented it
12:54 <z-man> Nah, it's useful.
12:54 <wrtlprnft> no clue who uses it, except that too many providers use it
12:54 <joda_bot> ok arcor uses greylisting
12:55 <wrtlprnft> why? so now you get the same spam multiple times because spambots don't bother checking if their mail actually got greylisted?
12:56 <joda_bot> no idea why
12:56 <joda_bot> Just googled it ... and someone complained about arcor using greylisting
12:56 <joda_bot> => arcor probably uses greylisting
12:57 <z-man> Umm, no, that's not what greylisting does AFAIK, it just refuses mail from new peers for the first time with an intermediate "try again later" error.
12:57 <joda_bot> oh the why went to z-man ;)
12:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so what spambots do these days is send each message twice with some time delay
12:58 <wrtlprnft> increasing the load on the servers even further, and causing a delay for legetimate mail
12:58 <z-man> Yeah, of course, it was only a question of time before spammers would adapt :)
12:59 <wrtlprnft> so now we have the same amount of spam AND mails tend to take forever to arrive
13:00 <z-man> You can instruct your spam filter to ignore exact duplicates, and email was never a realtime message system.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> it was still handy when it was almost instantaneous
13:01 <z-man> It all depends on the implementation. Whatever Strato changed lately, it reduced the spam hitting my filters by a factor of 5 or so.
13:01 <z-man> And I still get important messages as soon as I fetch them.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah, probably
13:02  * wrtlprnft ponders about a telephone spam filter
13:06  * joda_bot ponders about the amounts of changes between armahacktron and styball 0.2.8 ;)
13:06 <joda_bot> fills screens of text ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> patch of 1,2 MB ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> but this is wrong direction ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> I copied wrtl's styball branch and pasted the armahacktron files into it ;)
13:07 <wrtlprnft> you need to find out the revision at which armahacktron was branched off
13:07 <joda_bot> now I got all the wrong diffs ;)
13:08 <wrtlprnft> *z-man's styball branch
13:08 <joda_bot> because all new changes are also included
13:08 <joda_bot> ok ;)
13:08 <wrtlprnft> i'd do the following:
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - get a 0.2.8 SVN checkout at the revision armahacktron was forked off
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - copy armahacktron over it
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - svn up
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - resolve conflicts
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - resolve more conflicts
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - copy the result over a bzr styball checkout
13:09 <joda_bot> let me check the exact version
13:10 <wrtlprnft> push that checkout into a new bzr branch
13:10 <wrtlprnft> from there on it should be easy to merge new changes
13:10 <joda_bot> can't I merge the sty-ball branch over the trunk one ?
13:10 <z-man> Not on bzr, no.
13:10 <joda_bot> and then push that result to bzr ?
13:10 <z-man> For bzr, 0.2.8 and trunk are unrelated.
13:11 <z-man> That's basically because they were branched when we were still using CVS.
13:11 <wrtlprnft> note that the trunk still has broken zone parsing
13:11 <joda_bot> yes, crazy tronner is based on VERY old trunk
13:11 <z-man> It has? Where's the bug tracking entry? :)
13:11 <joda_bot> I guess
13:12 <joda_bot> I know it's trunk based ;9
13:12 <wrtlprnft> z-man: at least any zonesv1 map you load with a client is missing the zones
13:12  * wrtlprnft makes a bug tracker entry to make z-man happy.
13:12 <z-man> Thanks :)
13:12  * z-man is happy
13:13 <joda_bot> hmmm strange svn folders on armahacktron
13:14 <joda_bot> seems like there is no release / build entry left
13:14 <joda_bot> isn't there a file with the exact svn build thing for the root directory
13:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: ed moved armahacktron to a new local svn repository IIRC
13:14 <joda_bot> oh damn
13:15 <joda_bot> so all I got is useless svn data
13:15 <wrtlprnft> let me try something
13:15 <joda_bot> and the hint from svn_update that it is trunk based
13:15 <joda_bot> eh update_svn
13:16 <wrtlprnft> Last Changed Rev: 7210
13:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe check if that's plausible
13:17 <wrtlprnft> it's an old dir i found on the CT server
13:17 <joda_bot> how did u get that info -- ah ok
13:17 <epsy> bbl
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13:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: errm, how DO i add a bug
13:19  * wrtlprnft has been clicking around lp for 10 minutes now
13:19 <wrtlprnft> nvm
13:19 <wrtlprnft> i was in ~armagetronad-dev all the time
13:20 <z-man> yeah, that's a bit of a UI problem on launchpad
13:20  * z-man was trying to add epsy to the developers and was on the project page all of the time
13:20  * wrtlprnft had to modify the URI in his browser because he didn't see a link
13:22 <joda_bot> got on lauchpad and applied
13:24 <joda_bot> z-man: bump ;)
13:24 <z-man> username?
13:24 <z-man> ah, ok
13:24  * wrtlprnft wonders why they don't link the ladybug at the top-right that has “linked to a bug report” to a page that shows the bugs the branch is linked to
13:25 <wrtlprnft> s/has/says
13:26 <joda_bot> z-man: got more than one subscription ?
13:26 <z-man> No, I just missed the bit that you had applied to join armagetronad-dev
13:27  * z-man approved it
13:27 <joda_bot> :-9
13:27 <wrtlprnft> Recently approved
13:27 <wrtlprnft> yarrt (yarrt)
13:27 <pippijn> what's armagetronad-dev
13:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: the docs even hint that it does such a link.
13:27 <z-man> pippijn: the developer group on launchpad.
13:27 <pippijn> ah
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13:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man: 205977
13:30 <z-man> got it
13:30 <z-man> Fix in progress? You're taking care of it?
13:31 <wrtlprnft> err, i didn't do anything to the bug's status
13:31 <wrtlprnft> must be the default
13:32 <wrtlprnft> you can probably do it faster as you merged the two zone systems together
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13:33 <wrtlprnft> it does appear as “new” to me
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13:37 <joda_bot> is there a linux tool which detects pc line breaks and converts them to unix ?
13:39 <wrtlprnft> vim?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> dos2unix?
13:41 <wrtlprnft> sed 's/^M$//' being a more primitive alternative
13:43 <joda_bot> dos to unix I guess was what I remembered
13:44 <joda_bot> but problem it should recognize binary files / images or something similiar ;)
13:44 <joda_bot> so I do it only on the source
13:44 <joda_bot> should be enough
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13:45 <joda_bot> ah dos2unix has an option not to modify binary files
13:51 <pippijn> what is a binary file?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> probably something that contains too many zero bytes and other control chars
13:55 <wrtlprnft> although a REAL binary file can of course only contain 0x30 and 0x31 ;-)
13:57 <pippijn> no, that's an ascii file
13:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do u know or can check with Ed and CT that none is not working on merging armagetron auth with his armahacktron
13:59 <joda_bot> because it seems like the job that needs to be done ?
13:59 <joda_bot> to get a styball compatible version with auth and latest fixes
14:01 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: noone is as far as i know
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i'll try to get them to use your branch as soon as it's there, though :-)
14:02 <wrtlprnft> so further development gets done there
14:02 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: do you know perl?
14:02 <wrtlprnft> (which would obviously require ed, voodoo and p4 to get commit access to the branch)
14:03 <wrtlprnft> less than python
14:03 <pippijn> how well do you know python?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> the only p<something> i know relatively well is PHP
14:03 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/f25035d6e51b31acb1ce622a66c25f4f.txt <- how would you improve this?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: the basics, but nothing fancy
14:03 <wrtlprnft> is this a job interview?
14:03 <pippijn> no
14:03 <wrtlprnft> just feels like one ;-)
14:04 <pippijn> I am in no position to offer jobs
14:04 <pippijn> (yet
14:04 <pippijn> )
14:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, i finally understand why perl is regarded to be write-only
14:05 <pippijn> :-D
14:06 <pippijn> I use perl as my C, make and ocaml preprocessor
14:06 <pippijn> or even as my perl preprocessor
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14:07  * wrtlprnft wonders how many languages (besides C) have a feature-complete compiler/interpreter written in itself
14:08 <armabot> lpbugs: [205977] Trunk can't parse v1 zones from map files
14:08 <pippijn> rio
14:08 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/9e4b8cb18de575f42525fd7eae04f5c0.txt
14:08 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that's ocaml code to be preprocessed by perl
14:09 <flex> Does a ticking hard drive mean it's a bomb and I should exit very quickly?
14:09 <pippijn> flex: how old is it?
14:09 <pippijn> is the ticking regular?
14:09 <flex> warrenty hasn't even passed
14:09 <flex> no it's only when it starts up
14:09 <pippijn> is it a lot of ticking with very short intervals?
14:10 <flex> urm it's hard ticks with atleast 1second intervals
14:10 <pippijn> ah
14:10 <joda_bot> bbl
14:10 <pippijn> that's the head hitting the stopper
14:10 <flex> right, is that only a physical fix?
14:10 <flex> or can i fix it myself..
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14:11 <wrtlprnft> you just need a very strong magnet
14:11 <pippijn> if you didn't change anything, it's likely physical
14:11 <wrtlprnft> hi Novocaine 
14:11 <Novocaine> Heya.
14:11 <wrtlprnft> does tronwatch work again?
14:11 -!- Novocaine is now known as Novocaine-
14:11 <pippijn> you may want to try removing cleaning the connectors
14:11 <flex> actually the most important question would be, can i actually access the data to backup
14:11 <pippijn> -removing
14:11 <flex> tried that
14:12 <pippijn> flex: if you can't, xinutec can
14:12 <flex> it's from an external disk, and i happened when i shut down the computer some way i can't remember
14:12 <flex> wrtlprnft, strong magnet?
14:12 <wrtlprnft> just kidding
14:12 <pippijn> yeah, so you lose all your data
14:12 <flex> urm wouldn't that effect the data too?
14:12 <flex> lol
14:12 <flex> right
14:12 <Novocaine-> Neh, didn't get around (my webhoster doesn't feel like hosting it anymore, they just blocked my cronjobs without saying anything). Anyway, node7 was gonna host it for a while until I switched to another hoster.
14:12 <pippijn> a degausser could help, too
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14:13 <pippijn> and it would certainly help making your hard disk unusable forever
14:13 <wrtlprnft> because pippijn's analysis of the sound sounded like a BOFH (BAFH actually) episode
14:13 <flex> urm, wondering how exactly it got to that stage..
14:13 <flex> (the head hitting the stopper)
14:14 <pippijn> if you want to get rid of a hard disk, use a persistent temperature thermistor
14:14 <flex> i've filed an rma with WD so it's not an issue of getting that hd space.. just i kind of have credentials stored on that
14:14 <pippijn> and a small coil
14:15 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: just get another server to send a http request to yours that runs the “cronjob”?
14:15 <pippijn> flex: is there no way by software to get to the data?
14:15 <pippijn> flex: have you tried a different hdd controller?
14:15 <flex> urm you tell me.. i tried accessing but i'm getting a "unreadable"
14:15 <Novocaine-> Did that, they took away the permissions to the directory where the file is in ;P
14:15 <pippijn> what did you use to access it?
14:16 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:16 <wrtlprnft> without telling you anything at all?
14:16 <Novocaine-> Yup.
14:16 <flex> normal way of trying to get to a secondary disk
14:16 <wrtlprnft> definitely get another hoster.
14:16 <pippijn> can you use a forensics tool like winhex to access the disk?
14:17 <Novocaine-> Sadly I still have 4 months paid or something.
14:17 <flex> never tried winhex but i tried Active@ File Recovery
14:17 <flex> best i've used so far..
14:17 <flex> can't say i 100% know what i was doing, but i couldn't actually even "touch" the disk on it
14:17 <pippijn> you could not?
14:18 <flex> no it wouldn't scan the disk
14:18 <pippijn> hm
14:18 <flex> but it found the right name "wd external"
14:18 <flex> and also device manager found the correct name also
14:18 <flex> "wd external bla bla"
14:18 <pippijn> 14:19 < pippijn> flex: have you tried a different hdd controller?
14:18 <flex> i tried a laptop, and i also tried to disconnect the actual disk from the external and connected it to the pc
14:19 <flex> gave me blue screen so couldn't get onto windows
14:19 <pippijn> ah
14:19 <pippijn> try a real OS then
14:19 <flex> lol
14:19 <flex> dunno if ide and sata can work together..
14:19 <flex> or some how they were conflicting to take the master
14:19 <flex> or something
14:20 <pippijn> if so, the bios would have choked
14:20 <pippijn> windows choking on it is due to bad design
14:20 <pippijn> try a linux recovery disk
14:20 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: > Das Betreiben von Diensten, welche die betrieblichen Ressourcen von MN AG Hoststar nachteilig beeinflussen, sind nicht erlaubt. […] Welche Inhalte unter einen dieser Punkte fallen, liegt im Ermessen von MN AG Hoststar.
14:20 <flex> if it's physical right, how would i even be able to access the disk?
14:20 <Novocaine-> I know.
14:20  * wrtlprnft doesn't think it should fall under that point, though.
14:21 <flex> i kinda jumped boat once i figured out that that ticking was the header hitting something
14:21 <wrtlprnft> one request per minute isn't exactly demanding to the server
14:21 <Novocaine-> I'm not sure, my MySQL skills aren't that good, I think it might be a bit slow with a lot of data, haven't tested it locally though.
14:21 <pippijn> in computer mechanics, that's called "head"
14:21 <pippijn> and the thing it hits is the "stopper"
14:21 <flex> right lol
14:22 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: what kind of structure are you using?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> i know the structure i'm using on my server is terrible, but i'm too lazy to do something better
14:22 <pippijn> flex: you should really try a linux live cd
14:22 <flex> i tried afew
14:22 <pippijn> disconnect all disks except for the one you deem broken
14:22 <Novocaine-> I actually know what I'd have to change to make it more efficient.
14:23 <Novocaine-> But... lazy.
14:23 <flex> hmm, i could try that
14:23 <Novocaine-> And I haven't exactly got too much time on my hands lately.
14:23 <flex> again pippijn, if it's a physical thing, why am i bothering..
14:23 <Novocaine-> Anyway, afk.
14:23 <pippijn> flex: it's not necessarily a physical thing
14:23 <pippijn> but it does sound like one
14:24 <pippijn> the hitting is likely to be caused by a loose contact in the head controller inside the case
14:25 <flex> i'm likely not going to get the data back without a recovery right..
14:25 <pippijn> yes
14:25 <flex> i might as well just send it back and get a replacement.. i'm not going to die without the data
14:26 <flex> just i feel stupid for not backing up abunch of credentials i sometimes used..
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15:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: I'll see if I can make /rtfm respect clientside silencing. It's basically just a matter of sending the output not as a plain console output, but as a server controlled chat message.
15:02 <z-man> Ah, you already noticed that :)
15:03 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
15:04 <wrtlprnft> i know it's a matter of se_ServerControlledChatMessageConsole, i just don't want to be the one who gets the client version checking wrong
15:05 <z-man> Yeah, I'll see if I can wrap it into a neat function a la sn_ConsoleOut.
15:05  * z-man is a bit scared himself
15:06 <wrtlprnft> that would be neat
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8381 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Manuel Moos: corrected comment.
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8382 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Corrected access level given in rtfm_denied message.
15:14 <wrtlprnft> what did i mess up this time? :o
15:15 <wrtlprnft> meh, that's what you get if you copy and paste even a single line.
15:29 <z-man> Oops, typo
15:29 <z-man> embarrasing if you fix a screwup and screw up even worse ;)
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15:33 <wrtlprnft> se_rtfmUpAccessLevel :D
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15:53 <z-man> Aww, crap, the existing send-as-chat functions apply spam_max_len to everything that is sent.
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16:03 <mkzelda> http://forum.netcoders.cc/announcements/14061-unerring-punkbuster.html#post152071
16:04 <wrtlprnft> even on the server side?
16:06 <flex> ouch
16:07 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yeah, never trust the client is our motto :)
16:08 <z-man> I just override the setting during the /rtfm call.
16:12  * wrtlprnft assumed the server would do that when getting the message
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16:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8383 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Backwards compatible support for clientside silencing of /rtfm output.
16:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8384 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Duplicate login errors now go to the player trying to log in, not the one who already is logged in.
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18:46 <Mixnetwork> hi
18:47 <Mixnetwork> problem, cann't install server version -0.2.8.2.1. on ubuntu, could someone help me there?
18:47 <Ttech> <Ruby> i am away (no reason) but private messages will be later, for the time to install kbattleship Or Armagetron Advacned
18:47 <Ttech> <scott> o.0
18:47 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  About time
18:48 <Ttech> Where have you been
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48 <Ttech> *bean
18:48 <Mixnetwork> lol
18:48 <Mixnetwork> busy
18:48 <Ttech> Reember me?
18:48 <Ttech> ;)
18:48 <Mixnetwork> nope
18:48 <Mixnetwork> oh wait
18:48 <Ttech> yes
18:48 <Ttech> The Doctor, Ttech, the noob. ;)
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48 <Mixnetwork> lol
18:48 <Ttech> Who wanted to update your site
18:48 <Mixnetwork> yes, i remmeber
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48  * Ttech has been hiding here
18:48 <Mixnetwork> now i have big prob
18:49 <Ttech> Building robots
18:49 <Mixnetwork> i had server version 0.30 installed  but i deinstalled it and want to have -0.2.8.2.1.
18:49 <Mixnetwork> i can get it installed
18:49 <Mixnetwork> on ubuntu
18:50 <Ttech> apt?
18:50 <Ttech> Whats hte issue
18:50 <Mixnetwork> depedecies failed
18:50 <Mixnetwork> with apt i get only version 2.17 or so
18:50 <Mixnetwork> not -0.2.8.2.1.
18:51 <Mixnetwork> people are sending me messages whats with my servers because all off them are off now :(/
18:51 <cusco> apt - debian - testing - Version: 0.2.8.2.1-9
18:52 <Mixnetwork> command not found
18:52  * cusco wasn't reading from the beginning
18:53 <cusco> sudo apt-get install armagetronad-dedicated
18:53 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad-dedicated: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070208) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070208) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.27) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
18:54 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  err
18:54 <Ttech> Whats the error its going to install that
18:54 <Mixnetwork> ?
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18:55 <Mixnetwork> thats the error above
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18:58 <Mixnetwork> no help??
19:02  * wrtlprnft has no clue about the apt stuff
19:02 <hoax> get the dependencies :P
19:02 <hoax> & the the dependencies for those
19:03 <hoax> & those...
19:03 <hoax> & then some
19:06 <Mixnetwork> pfff
19:06 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:18 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  lol
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19:32 <zmanuel> I'm a bit afraid wrtl's color chat protection will get users of the famous instachat kicked in one go :)
19:33 <ct|kyle> how shall i answer this question:    _____ is perhaps Microsoft’s best attempt to date at creating a reliable operating system that is ideal for both business and home use.
19:33 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
19:34 <ct|kyle> 98, 2000 or xp are the options
19:35 <Mixnetwork> could somebody help me get dedicated server installed version  0.2.8.2.1 on ubuntu? can get it work
19:35 <flex> tried the package manager?
19:35 <Mixnetwork> is none installed its a v-server
19:36 <ct|kyle> #svn
19:36 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
19:36 <z-man> kyle: 2000 is best for business use, xp best for home use.
19:36 <hoax> did you update ubuntu yet Mixnetwork
19:36 <Mixnetwork> yes i did
19:37 <ct|kyle> z-man: ya lol it is multiple choice.
19:38 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
19:40 <wrtlprnft> z-man: err, it has four color codes
19:40 <wrtlprnft> #g log(6)/log(2)
19:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(6) / log(2) = 2.5849625
19:40 <wrtlprnft> that should still be fine
19:40 <z-man> And it is quite long
19:40 <z-man> Default chat spam settings are quite harsh :)
19:41  * z-man just got kicked at the second chat
19:41 <wrtlprnft> oh, i was talking about fortress policies
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i rarely play on other servers
19:41 <z-man> Mix: have you tried compiling from source? Works for me.
19:41 <wrtlprnft> #g log(1.5+4)/log(1.5)
19:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(1.5 + 4) / log(1.5) = 4.20442612
19:42 <wrtlprnft> even worse. d'uh
19:42 <wrtlprnft> make an exception for that one string ;-D
19:43 <Mixnetwork> no, i don't know hoew to do that
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19:46 <z-man> Mixnetwork: is there a version available from the official ubuntu repositories? If yes, have you tried it?
19:47 <Mixnetwork> only 2.7
19:47 <Mixnetwork> i had 3.0 installed but
19:47 <z-man> Really? The client is version 0.2.8.2.1.
19:47 <Mixnetwork> i need server
19:48 <z-man> Well, then, have you tried our autopackage installer?
19:48 <Mixnetwork> no whre to get
19:48  * epsy wants to be sure he isn't doing a big mistake
19:48 <Mixnetwork> v
19:48 <Mixnetwork> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
19:48 <epsy> an opening quote is like two 6 and a closing one like two 9, right?
19:49 <Mixnetwork> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
19:49 <Mixnetwork> these messages i get
19:49 <z-man> Is your server 64 bit?
19:49 <Mixnetwork> no
19:50 <z-man> Hmm, odd. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package?download would be the link to the 0.2.8.2.1 installer.
19:51 <Mixnetwork> i have that one
19:51 <z-man> What may work better for you are the pre-0.2.8.3 alpha versions, they're built on ubuntu.
19:51 <epsy> ok, seems i'm not wrong :-) http://www.englishdiscourse.org/block.quotes.htm
19:52 <z-man> Minxnetwork: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8_alpha20080308.i486-generic-linux-gnu-c++6.package?modtime=1205010864&big_mirror=0
19:53 <Mixnetwork> get on all same messages
19:54 <Mixnetwork> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
19:54 <Mixnetwork> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
19:54 <Mixnetwork> It can be manually downloaded and installed by running the
19:54 <Mixnetwork> installation script located in the downloaded archive.
19:59 <z-man> Mixnetwork: what does 'gcc -dumpmachine' say?
19:59 <Mixnetwork> lol, what taht :d
19:59 <Mixnetwork> whats that
19:59 <z-man> a command line :)
20:00 <Mixnetwork> i486-linux-gnu
20:00 <z-man> Hmm, and your ubuntu version is?
20:01 <Mixnetwork> how can i find out?
20:02 <Mixnetwork> MSK 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
20:02 <Mixnetwork> is also there
20:03 <Mixnetwork> 2.6.9-023stab046.2-enterprise
20:06 <z-man> What's that?
20:08 <luke-jr> Durka's a liar
20:09 <wrtlprnft> wow, what woudl we do without luke-jr's helpful and topic-related comments?
20:09 <luke-jr> :D
20:09 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: cat /etc/*-release
20:09 <epsy> *B0rka
20:09 <epsy> a common typo.
20:09 <Mixnetwork> permission denied
20:10 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: then be root
20:10 <Mixnetwork> i am root
20:10 <pippijn> Mixnetwork: cat /etc/issue
20:10 <Mixnetwork> Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS \n \l
20:10 <Mixnetwork> hi pippijn
20:10 <pippijn> hi
20:11 <luke-jr> root doesn't get permission denied
20:11 <Mixnetwork> want to install server version 0.2.8.2.1 don't work
20:11 <Mixnetwork> my root does ;)
20:14 <Mixnetwork> pippijn we get version 3.0 to work why not the other version?
20:14 <Mixnetwork> got
20:14 <luke-jr> there is no version 3.0
20:15 <Mixnetwork> 0.3 than
20:19 <z-man> Well, HOW did you get 0.3 to work?
20:19 <Mixnetwork> with help of pippijn making an install
20:20 <Mixnetwork> get these errors while installing now
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  dpkg -i armagetronad-dedicated_0.2.8.2.1-4_i386.deb
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Selecting previously deselected package armagetronad-dedicated.
20:20 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144260 files and directories currently installed.)
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad-dedicated (from armagetronad-dedicated_0.2.8.2.1-4_i386.deb) ...
20:20 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of armagetronad-dedicated:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5.
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070208); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070208); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
20:20 <duudii> ...
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1.
20:20 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad-dedicated (--install):
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated
20:21 <z-man> Well, stands to reason, the build was done with a later ubuntu version that is incompatible.
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20:24 <Mixnetwork> oh, well, Arma sucks really, installing on linux, with all independicies and so on.... I think I stop running my servers, have too much trouble there...
20:25 <z-man> The alpha package just worked fine on 6.06 which I have at work, but what do I know...
20:26 <Mixnetwork> lol
20:26 <Mixnetwork> argh
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20:39 <Mixnetwork> pippijn?
20:39 <Mixnetwork> could you help me again making an install from 0.2.8.2.1?
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20:45 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: you're using an old Ubuntu version
20:45 <luke-jr> that's why it only includes an old Arma
20:46 <Mixnetwork> i know, but i cann't upgrade it its a v-server
20:55 <cusco> Mixnetwork: donwloa the source and compile it its not that bad
20:55 <cusco> or download a ubuntu package from getdeb.net
21:01 <Mixnetwork> i downloaded the spurce but don't know how to do that :( i am not familiar with that
21:01 <Mixnetwork> source
21:03 <cusco> sudo apt-get build-dep armagetronad
21:04 <cusco> this will install dependencies
21:04 <cusco> wait
21:04 <cusco> before that
21:04 <cusco> have you tried installink this package?
21:04 <cusco> http://www.getdeb.net/download.php?release=764&fpos=0
21:05 <Mixnetwork> I try now
21:07 <luke-jr> cusco: someone should upload that
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Selecting previously deselected package armagetronad.
21:09 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144260 files and directories currently installed.)
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):
21:09 <Mixnetwork>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/games/armagetronad/resource/included/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd', which is also in package armagetronad-common
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:09 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:09 <wrtlprnft> get rid of armagetronad-common?
21:10 <Mixnetwork> how
21:17 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  apt-get remve
21:18 <Mixnetwork>  apt-get remove
21:18 <Mixnetwork> Reading package lists... Done
21:18 <Mixnetwork> Building dependency tree... Done
21:18 <Mixnetwork> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
21:21 <cusco> dpkg -P armagetron-common
21:21 <cusco> to purge conf files
21:21 <Mixnetwork> ok, worked
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8385 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Implemented wrtl's suggestion for color code penalty to spam.
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: To compensate a bit, the default spam settings are now a abit nicer, and
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: there are at least three warnings (configurable) before you get kicked by spam.
21:22 <Mixnetwork> still cann't install
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21:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8386 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Implemented wrtl's suggestion of reduced spam level for /team messages, and also reducing the time during which you cannot say the same thing twice by the same factor.
21:22 <cusco> what's the error this time?
21:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8387 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS): Manuel Moos: Documented the last two changes so people know what wrtl's suggestions actually were :)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:23 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144222 files and directories currently installed.)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):
21:23 <Mixnetwork>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/games/armagetronad/resource/included/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd', which is also in package armagetronad-common
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:23 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:23 <Mixnetwork> hmm i delete that manually
21:24 <cusco> rm -r /usr/share/games/armagetronad
21:25 <Mixnetwork> did not work
21:25 <cusco> how come
21:25 <Mixnetwork> delete in manually already
21:25 <Mixnetwork> lol
21:25 <Mixnetwork> but install dows not work still
21:25 <Mixnetwork> same message
21:26 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: if you were using aptitude instead of apt-get, it would have taken care of the -common for you
21:26 <cusco> he's not ussing niehter
21:26 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
21:26 <cusco> he is using dpkg
21:26 <Mixnetwork> jepp
21:26 <luke-jr> that's… dumb :þ
21:26 <cusco> no?
21:26 <cusco> he downloaded the file manually
21:26 <luke-jr> so?
21:26 <cusco> lol
21:26 <luke-jr> aptitude still works fine
21:26 <cusco> might...
21:27 <luke-jr> aptitude purge armagetronad-common
21:27 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: ^^
21:27 <luke-jr> but
21:27 <luke-jr> read what it says it is going to do
21:27 <luke-jr> if it says it's going to remove a bunch of stuff you want, say no
21:28 <Mixnetwork> nope
21:28 <Mixnetwork> he di only deinstall common
21:28 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:28 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144135 files and directories currently installed.)
21:28 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:28 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of armagetronad:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1); however:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5.
21:28 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2); however:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libgl1-mesa | libgl1; however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libgl1-mesa is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libgl1 is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libglu1-mesa | libglu1; however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libglu1-mesa is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libglu1 is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libpng12-0 on system is 1.2.8rel-5ubuntu0.3.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.5); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libsdl-image1.2 on system is 1.2.4-1.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libsdl1.2debian on system is 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.2); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1.
21:29 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad (--install):
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
21:29 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad
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21:30 <Bougo> SPAM
21:30 <cusco> htats ok not interrupting anyone
21:30 <Bougo> I know
21:30 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
21:30 <MrBougo> I just don't like idling :p
21:30 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sorry perhaphs you oughta compile it instead :P
21:30 <Ttech> Mixnetwork, pastebin?
21:31 <Monkey_arma> latest version is 0.2.8.2.1..damn so many releases i just cant keep up
21:31 <Mixnetwork> pastbin??
21:31 <hoax> monkey wtf are you running then?
21:31 <cusco> Mixnetwork: you would have to: apt-get build-dep armagetronad-dedicated
21:31 <MrBougo> futurebin is better
21:31 <cusco> to install the building dependencies
21:31  * Monkey_arma is making a crack at the very long release time for stable versions
21:32 <cusco> then download the source
21:32 <Mixnetwork> E: Unable to find a source package for armagetronad-dedicated
21:32 <Monkey_arma> on  a serious note it may be a good idea to release a stable version more often
21:32 <cusco> hmm then you will need to install dependencies manually one by one I guess
21:33 <cusco> after you get the source
21:33 <cusco> change into its dir
21:33 <Mixnetwork> you know how to mak an install from tar.gz source
21:33 <cusco> and run: ./configure
21:33 <hoax> heh i found 2.5 in an old folder the other day ;>
21:33 <Monkey_arma> the debian releases are even older
21:33 <Monkey_arma> no surprise there tho
21:33 <cusco> Mixnetwork: the same way you install the other sourced stuff
21:33 <cusco> Monkey_arma: that is wrong
21:33 <Monkey_arma> well they were about 2.7
21:33 <Monkey_arma> when i last used them
21:33 <cusco> Version: 0.2.8.2.1-9
21:33 <cusco> Replaces: armagetron
21:33 <Mixnetwork> lol, thats the point i don#t know how to do that
21:34 <Monkey_arma> ahem....
21:34 <Monkey_arma> Package: armagetron
21:34 <Monkey_arma> State: not installed
21:34 <Monkey_arma> Version: 0.2.7.0-1.1
21:35 <Monkey_arma> thank you
21:35 <cusco> im using debian testing
21:35 <Monkey_arma> i did use the word "stable" :)
21:35 <cusco> ahw
21:36 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo -s; cd /usr/src/; wget http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1.src.tar.bz2
21:36 <Monkey_arma> when i looked at sid a while ago it was also the same version as sarge
21:36 <cusco> Mixnetwork:  tar jxvf armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1.src.tar.bz2; cd armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1
21:37 <cusco> Mixnetwork: then run ./configure
21:37 <Mixnetwork> donr
21:37 <Mixnetwork> done
21:37 <Mixnetwork> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
21:37 <cusco> there
21:37 <cusco> you know now that you need libsdl
21:38 <cusco> apt-cache search libsdl
21:38 <Monkey_arma> there are 3 files i think that you need
21:38 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: on
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21:38 <cusco> Monkey_arma: then apt-get install package-name
21:39 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: one problem: things like 00xffff7fx<color code> now get counted twice, which may be a little harsch
21:39 <cusco> then: ./configure
21:39 <cusco> again
21:39 <wrtlprnft> *harsh
21:40 <MrBougo> oh wow
21:40 <MrBougo> I suck at arma
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21:41 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
21:41 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: but don't get me wrong, I think it's going to work great. Thanks for implementing it
21:42 <cusco> Mixnetwork: getting there?
21:42 <Mixnetwork> nope
21:43 <Mixnetwork> don't know how to go further
21:43 <cusco> did it configure OK?
21:43 <cusco> you only want the server right? I dunno if there is some configure flag to use the server only
21:44 <cusco> is there luke-jr ?
21:44 <Mixnetwork> error
21:44 <Mixnetwork> only server yes
21:44 <cusco> what error?
21:44 <luke-jr> cusco: uh, the only way to get a server is to disable the client
21:44 <Mixnetwork> don't hav a client
21:44 <cusco> yet
21:44 <cusco> so there is some flag --use-client=no
21:45 <cusco> or something
21:46 <Mixnetwork> no
21:46 <Mixnetwork> still get configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron.
21:47 <cusco> ok
21:47 <Monkey_arma> mixnetwork you need about 3 libs
21:47 <Monkey_arma> * i think *
21:47 <cusco> Mixnetwork: Im not using ubuntu I dunno what are the package names of the libs that you need
21:47 <cusco> apt-cache search libsdl
21:47 <cusco> will list you some packages
21:48 <cusco> install the one that is the library SDL (images)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> apt-cache search libsdl
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-image1.2 - image loading library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-image1.2-dev - development files for SDL 1.2 image loading libray
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-mixer1.2 - mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2
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21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-mixer1.2-dev - development files for SDL1.2 mixer library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev - development files for SDL ttf library (version 2.0)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2-dev - Simple DirectMedia Layer development files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian - Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-all - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-alsa - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and ALSA options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-esd - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and esound options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-oss - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and OSS options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> lgeneral - A "Panzer General" - like game
21:49 <Mixnetwork> gstreamer0.8-sdl - SDL videosink plugin for GStreamer
21:49 <cusco> sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-console - console that can be added to any SDL application
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-console-dev - development files for libsdl-console
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-erlang - Erlang bindings to the Simple Direct Media Library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-gfx1.2-4 - drawing and graphical effects extension for SDL
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-gfx1.2-dev - development files for SDL_gfx
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-net1.2 - network library for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-net1.2-dev - Development files for SDL network library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ocaml - OCaml bindings for SDL - runtime files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings for SDL - development files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-perl - SDL bindings for the Perl language
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ruby1.8 - Ruby/SDL interface for Ruby
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sge-dev - development files for libsdl-sge
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sgec2 - extension of graphic functions for the SDL multimedia library
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21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sound1.2 - Decoder of several sound file formats for SDL
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sound1.2-dev - Development files for SDL_sound
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-stretch-0-2 - Stretch functions for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-stretch-dev - Development files for SDL_stretch library
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf1.2 - TrueType font library for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf1.2-dev - development files for libsdl-ttf1.2
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-arts - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and aRts options)
21:50 <cusco> zzzzzzz
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-nas - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and NAS options)
21:50 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libgl1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                          libgl1
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libglu1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
21:50 <cusco> im freaking out
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                          libglu1
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.8rel-5ubuntu0.3 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.5) but 1.2.4-1 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.2) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.27) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>   libsdl-image1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl1.2-dev (>= 1.2.2-3.3) but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
21:50 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
21:50 <Mixnetwork> better to use teamviewer ;)
21:50 <Monkey_arma> ok i will tell you what to Mixnetwork
21:50 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo apt-get install -f
21:51 <Monkey_arma> just install all of these
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libxml2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libc6
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libgcc1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libglu1-xorg | libglu1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libjpeg62
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2debian
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libstdc++6
21:51 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl | libgl1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> you cant go wrong
21:51 <cusco> he is using ubuntu
21:51 <Mixnetwork> i did this now sudo apt-get install -f
21:51 <cusco> yes that is good
21:51 <cusco> dont paste stuff here
21:51 <Mixnetwork> ok
21:51 <cusco> paste it on http://rafb.net/paste
21:52 <Mixnetwork> yep
21:52 <cusco> and return us the URL
21:52 <Monkey_arma> oh ye because this channel is so full of useful talk
21:52 <Monkey_arma> :)
21:52 <Mixnetwork> and nmow?
21:52 <Mixnetwork> now?
21:52 <cusco> 20:56:12 < cusco> and return us the URL
21:52 <Mixnetwork> what must i do now?
21:53 <cusco> dude
21:53 <cusco> your system is out of date!
21:53 <cusco> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
21:54 <cusco> you cannot compile it because you cannot install the needed libs (unless you compile them too)
21:54 <cusco> try #ubuntu ask them how to install the armagetronad package
21:54 <Mixnetwork> done
21:54 <cusco> sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev
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21:55 <Mixnetwork> done
21:55 <cusco> did it work?
21:55 <Mixnetwork> yepp
21:55 <cusco> awh!
21:55 <cusco> not everything is lost
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21:55 <cusco> what would happen if you... sudo apt-get install armagetronad
21:55 <cusco> ?
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21:56 <Monkey_arma> its called armagetron
21:56 <Monkey_arma> not ad
21:56 <cusco> NO
21:56 <Mixnetwork> well ./configure workes now
21:56 <cusco> then don't install it
21:56 <cusco> ok
21:56 <cusco> till the end?
21:56 <Mixnetwork> yep
21:57 <cusco> make && make install
21:57 <flex> you silly monkeyjunky
21:57 <Monkey_arma> you silly flexywexy
21:57 <flex> £>
21:57 <Monkey_arma> #insult flex
21:57 <armabot> flex - You are nothing but a motley-mind ooze of pointy-nosed eel.
21:57 <flex> #kiss Monkey_arma
21:58 <cusco> hehe
21:58 <Monkey_arma> oO
21:58 <flex> someone should add #kiss
21:58 <flex> Monkey_arma #arma.fff
21:58 <Monkey_arma> ok
21:59 <Mixnetwork> done
21:59 <Mixnetwork> and now?
22:00 <flex> death by.... ooohh a dollar!
22:01 <Mixnetwork> cusco
22:01 <Mixnetwork> ?
22:09 <Mixnetwork> how to install now?
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22:09 <zmanuel> Mixnetwork: "make install" ?
22:09 <Mixnetwork> already done
22:09 <zmanuel> then it is installed.
22:10 <Mixnetwork> oh ok
22:10 <Mixnetwork> thx
22:10 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
22:11 <Mixnetwork> hmm
22:11 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad-dedicated: command not found
22:12 <z-man> Wait, did you pass '--disable-glout' to configure?
22:12 <Mixnetwork> ??
22:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is there any pattern behind z-man and zmanuel? Just wondering
22:17 <flex> i know!
22:17 <flex> the z-man part
22:21 <Mixnetwork> shit installed wrong one i think
22:21 <Mixnetwork> was the client
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22:28 <z-man> Mixnetwork: know how to fix it yourself?
22:29 <cusco> Mixnetwork: apt-cache search armagetron server
22:29 <cusco> ah nevermind
22:29 <cusco> asljf
22:29 <Mixnetwork> now sry don't know
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22:30 <cusco> sorry I never run the server, I dunno
22:30 <Mixnetwork> never mind, thx anyway for your help
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22:31 <Mixnetwork> i try to install 0.3 again
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22:32 <Mixnetwork> lol
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22:32 <Mixnetwork> that one runs
22:32 <Mixnetwork> strange
22:33 <flex> pippijn, here?
22:34 <pippijn> yes
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22:34 <flex> got a question :)
22:34 <pippijn> then ask
22:35 <flex> experiencing some weird stuff with arma, stuttering every second, even on lan.. using a 32bit system, i then tried 64bit and the stuttering changed from major freezing but still stable, just freezing afew seconds
22:36 <flex> i then removed the page-store thingy that uses hard drive ram, and it solved the problem
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22:36 <flex> the issue doesn't accure when the os is freshly installed
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22:36 <flex> what do you think is causing all this?
22:36  * Ttech is cryping
22:36 <Ttech> :/
22:36 <flex> onboard graphics as i should mention too
22:36 <pippijn> is it windows?
22:36 <flex> yes
22:36 <pippijn> hrm
22:37 <pippijn> first of all you should know that I never really used windows
22:37 <flex> i thought it was a kernel memory error or something
22:37 <flex> it could be an os related, but i don't play on linux alot to experience it
22:37 <Monkey_arma> flex i have had some random stuttering too
22:37 <flex> Monkey_arma, this stuttering is like every second
22:38 <z-man> Mixnetwork: to build and install the server, you do the same thing you did to install the client from source, but instead of plain "./configure", you call "./configure --disable-glout".
22:38 <flex> like freeze(0.5second) normal freeze(0.5second)
22:38 <flex> ect
22:38 <Monkey_arma> when i had stuttering it was almost every second
22:38 <z-man> Mixnetwork: you need to call "make clean" if you want to build in the same directory.
22:38 <flex> how did yours fix?
22:38 <flex> pippijn, it's internal graphics and also it uses ram for it's gpu ram
22:39 <Mixnetwork> hmm i just had the old dir and did a mak install from there server is running now
22:39 <pippijn> it's unlikely due to the graphics
22:39 <flex> the weird thing is, it kind of solved the problem on the 32bit system when i disabled the vertual ram (on hd)
22:39 <flex> and solved it completely on the 64bit
22:39 <flex> as i'm using an amd 64bit, i thought i'd try it atleast
22:40 <flex> well not completely, as i kind of get it when i switch between arma and something else
22:40 <flex> pippijn, so what would be your guess?
22:41 <pippijn> have you checked the VM stats in the task manager?
22:41 <flex> nothing out of the ordinary, apart from "page fault" going crazy
22:42 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i'm gonna be away till sunday, in the unlikely event that café should go down completely feel free to start a new one on rain's account
22:42 <flex> but i think that's just normal
22:42 <epsy> wrtlprnft, cmd?
22:42 <pippijn> flex: I don't know..
22:42 <pippijn> sorry
22:42 <flex> np, i'm totally lost to what it could be too
22:43 <flex> but if you had to guess, what would yours be?
22:43 <pippijn> new OS fixes it?
22:44 <flex> i'm kind of used to windows.. there's no need for me to switch to linux.. also my sound card isn't supported on linux :p
22:44 <flex> i try it now and then anyway, feels some how weird when i play arma on it :p
22:44 <pippijn> ;-)
22:45 <flex> here's something else
22:45 <flex> see the kernel memory
22:45 <flex> it basically jumps the same time the stutter happens
22:45 <flex> but when it settles down, the game doesn't stutter
22:45 <pippijn> jumps?
22:45 <pippijn> like.. memory usage?
22:46 <flex> like it zigzags accordingly to the game stutter.. no, not memory usage, "kernel time"
22:47 <flex> i think
22:47 <pippijn> ah
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22:47 <pippijn> hm
22:47 <flex> when it settles down the game doesn't stutter, so i'm quite sure it's something to do with it
22:47 <pippijn> it is possibly a kernel bug introduced by a service pack
22:50 <flex> after this FFF tourny i think i'll just move over to linux :p
22:50 <flex> wanna try opensuse
22:50 <pippijn> :-)
22:51 <flex> what you using?
22:51 <pippijn> debian gnu/linux
22:51 <flex> any specific reason?
22:52 <pippijn> hm
22:54 <pippijn> high configurability
22:54 <pippijn> no magic tools that start overwriting manual configuration
22:54 <pippijn> little magic overall
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23:11 <wrtlprnft> epsy: no cmd, just copy the config files to make a new, temporary server
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i hope it won't happen. cya
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23:39 <K-Yo> nice work on voting stuff on bugfarm
23:40 <Monkey_arma> flex, i HIGHLY recommend using ubuntu or kubuntu
23:41 <flex> fuck that
23:42 <flex> ubuntu is gay na kubuntu is boring :p
23:42  * K-Yo uses ubuntu
23:43 <flex> how did you solve your stuttering Monkey_arma by the way..
23:43 <Monkey_arma> well my stuttering just solved itselff
23:43 <flex> lucky for you then
23:43 <Monkey_arma> fuck knows is the answer :)
23:43 <flex> it was probably a background cpu usage
23:43 <flex> nothing like mine i assume
23:45 <Monkey_arma> is it every time u play?
23:45 <flex> yes
23:45 <flex> or "
23:45 <flex> 'was'
23:45 <Monkey_arma> have you tried reinstalling or using a different version?
23:46 <flex> of the game? yes. of the os? yes, i'm using a 64bit version of windows now and now same thing but no stuttering
23:46 <flex> just major freezes
23:46 <flex> same shit on how it started in the first place..
23:46 <flex> randomly starts, fucks the whole system up as well
23:46 <flex> not just the game
23:46 <Monkey_arma> why dont u like the ubuntus?
23:47 <flex> it's fine, just don't really like it
23:47 <flex> nothing against it actually
23:47 <flex> i'm gona try opensuse and see if i like it :p
23:47 <Monkey_arma> :|
23:47 <Monkey_arma> i have issues with the "middle distros"
23:47 <flex> i have issues with sound drivers..
23:48 <Monkey_arma> flex, violence towards computers sometimes helps
23:49  * K-Yo agrees
23:49 <flex> i have a 7.1 system, and i paid good cash for it.. i'm not really up for moving os for something that's going to brake it
23:49 <K-Yo> as long as your computer is not brand new :P
23:50 <Monkey_arma> #kill flex's computer
23:50 <armabot> flex's computer will die on Mon Mar 24 23:54:55 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
23:51 <flex> creative x-fi elite pro and creative gigaworks
23:51 <flex> linux turks that to a stereo system
23:51 <flex> turns^
23:51 <Monkey_arma> ive got intel builtin sound so linux cant really fuck it up
23:52 <Monkey_arma> because it is already fucked up...
23:53 <flex> #kill flex
23:53 <armabot> flex will die on Mon Mar 24 23:57:39 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by flex
23:53 <flex> sweet
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23:56  * K-Yo needs a teammate on |x|.team.sumo.server
23:57  * K-Yo found one
23:58 <Monkey_arma> i think we should have a game of fort a bit later
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00:00 <K-Yo> when?
00:00 <epsy> man, not closing server logs is awful
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00:04 <Monkey_arma> we should play in maybe 30 mins?
00:04 <epsy> Lucifer_bed, « threads where epsy thought some badmin had done something to him »
00:05 <epsy> I'm searching over and over in my memory and I still have no clue what you talking about :/
00:08 <epsy> [4 IP=83.38.130.144:4397] <\./> --> Teammates: trankilo, me pasaba lo mismo pero cuando llevas a?s dandoles  x culo se acostumbran
00:08 <epsy> know some spanish?
00:09 <StickyNoob> i dont quite get ady, hes manages some pardoxical writing style that is trying to be nice while having a go at the same time
00:09 <StickyNoob> bablefish: "trankilo, happened to me the same but when you take a?s giving them xs ass are accustomed"
00:10 <epsy> ok
00:10 <epsy> merly understand-able
00:10 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, when u want, i'm on x serv
00:10 <epsy> oh, didn't realize where i was pasting -.-
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00:19 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, I'm goin to bed :P
00:19 <K-Yo> cu everyine
00:20 <K-Yo> -i+o
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00:20 <epsy> gnite
00:20 <Monkey_arma> see you kyo
00:21 <epsy> sorry, i'm not k-yo
00:21 <epsy> :-)
00:21 <Monkey_arma> aha i just got back to my computer
00:21 <epsy> and you were typing while standing?
00:22 <Monkey_arma> no i was in kitchen
00:22  * Monkey_arma is eating
00:22 <StickyNoob> chicken?
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00:23 <Monkey_arma> eggs, potatoes and cabbage
00:23 <StickyNoob> wtf
00:24 <Monkey_arma> do you want some sticky?
00:24 <StickyNoob> never heard of that dish
00:24 <StickyNoob> yeah toss some this way
00:24  * Monkey_arma throws some fodder at t3h stickynoob
00:25 <StickyNoob> ouch
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00:30 <QUARG> hello, luke are you around?
00:31 <QUARG> #luke-jr
00:31 <armabot> I agree wholeheartedly!
00:33 <QUARG> members of the AUC clan that you host a server for have accused me of hacking their server. I was wondering if you could check my ip on your ladder log plz
00:33 <QUARG> i dont even think that i have been in that server
00:34 <Monkey_arma> are you "73h r341 fr1gg3n h4x0r?"
00:35 <QUARG> i know squat about ahcking
00:35 <QUARG> hacking*
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00:48 <luke-jr> QUARG: "hacking their server" is too undefined to give meaningful analysis of
00:49 <Monkey_arma> ok anyone for a game of fort...come to the ww fort
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02:17 <QUARG> luke-jr: could you at least do an ip check in the ladder logs plz
02:18 <luke-jr> why?
02:18 <luke-jr> ask AUC
02:18 <QUARG> i shall
02:19 <QUARG> i just figured that you were the source to go to since you host
02:20 <luke-jr> I'm the host, not the nanny.
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02:29 <QUARG> hehe
02:31 <QUARG> what would you difine hacking as?
02:31 <luke-jr> exploits
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14:17 <flex> luke-jr
14:17 <flex> this reminds me of you:
14:17 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
14:18 <flex> xxx
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17:23 <Ttech> /exec -o pi
17:23 <Ttech> rocks
17:24 <epsy> sh: pi: command not found
17:24 <epsy> :-)
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17:31 <cusco> hey
17:31 <cusco> im getting master server login denied
17:31 <cusco> /bin/sh: pi: command not found
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19:35 <ooo|ATool> /j ter
19:35 <ooo|ATool> /j crazy-tronners
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20:18 <Mixnetwork> hi all
20:18 <Ttech> hi
20:21 <K-Yo> hi Mixnetwork
20:21 <Mixnetwork> hi
20:21 <Mixnetwork> some one knows how to get a ladder work vor version 0.3
20:22 <K-Yo> some people do
20:22 <Mixnetwork> lol
20:22 <K-Yo> I think the wiki does
20:22 <K-Yo> :P
20:22 <Mixnetwork> yepp but only old versions
20:22 <Mixnetwork> I can find
20:23 <pippijn> http://armagetronad.xinutec.org/hiscores.html <- 0.3.0 ladder
20:24 <Mixnetwork> need the code for my site ;)
20:24 <Mixnetwork> and my servers
20:25 <Mixnetwork> want to implement it in php-nuke
20:25 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/Statistics.pm
20:25 <Mixnetwork> just like my actuall now, but than working with version 0.3
20:26 <Mixnetwork> oopps, whats a pm file?
20:26 <pippijn> perl module
20:26 <pippijn> looking over it makes me notice some inefficiencies I'll have to fix someday
20:27 <Mixnetwork> no won rounds an won matches?
20:27 <pippijn> no, but it would be trivial to add
20:27 <pippijn> I prefer my hiscores terse
20:28 <Mixnetwork> i would like to have it this way look http://mixnetworkde
20:28 <Mixnetwork> http://mixnetwork.de
20:29 <Mixnetwork> than klick spacezone I
20:29 <pippijn> right
20:29 <pippijn> well you have a friend who is a php god so he'll write that in 15 minutes
20:30 <Mixnetwork> lol
20:38 <K-Yo> "php god"... I like the expression
20:39 <epsy> programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers h
20:39 <epsy> ate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate programmers hate
20:39 <pippijn> ?
20:39 <epsy> [...] php
20:39 <pippijn> ah
20:39 <pippijn> :-)
20:39 <pippijn> real programmers do
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20:57 <epsy> ]tea
20:57 <epsy> #tea
20:57 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): A5417AkA, Black Infernal, Klaus, onetwo=3, |STF|darkness
20:57 <pippijn> #pot
20:57 <hoax> #kettle
20:57 <pippijn> armabot is definately missing that
20:57 <epsy> #sd m.s
20:57 <armabot> epsy: ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server: Players (10/16): >>Dreadlord<<, Centurion, CTxGonzap, dr.fux, hoop, Kriki4 (Kriki4@x), leviªthªn|mªc|, speedingturtle, ~\AUC/~elliot, ~\AuC/~Gazelle
20:58 <epsy> hoax, café?
20:59 <hoax> mmmmmmok
21:01 <hoax> maybe not, using my bandwidth ;)
21:02 <epsy> rofl hoax
21:02 <epsy> i was on a roll that round
21:02 <epsy> xDDD
21:03 <hoax> :D
21:03 <luke-jr> epsy: something more efficient than PHP for unpopular webapps?
21:04  * pippijn prefers perl
21:04 <pippijn> much cleaner
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21:16 <luke-jr> pippijn: mod_perl is buggy
21:16 <pippijn> luke-jr: why mod_perl?
21:16 <luke-jr> which means to use Perl from Apache, it needs to spawn a new process
21:16 <luke-jr> = slow
21:16 <pippijn> no
21:16 <luke-jr> unless you use FastCGI
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21:16 <pippijn> or speedycgi
21:17 <luke-jr> but that's still another process always running
21:17 <pippijn> yes
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21:38 <Mixnetwork> other solutions? as perl i mean?
21:39 <pippijn> yes, php
21:39 <pippijn> ask god
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23:45 <epsy> have a good night, you have 10 mins to sign up the last team(s) to fff!
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Log from 2008-03-26:
--- Day changed Wed Mar 26 2008
00:56 <hoax> #tea
00:56 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): A5417AkA, álf ñ, Hardy Heron, metaz, N4dd
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01:28 <Monkey_arma> #cup of tea
01:28 <hoax> :D
01:28 <Monkey_arma> sup hoax
01:29 <hoax> nothin.
01:34 <Monkey_arma> i see we have 2 new teams for the fff
01:41 <Stewie-arma> #cuppa
01:41 <Stewie-arma> darn
01:41 <hoax> #bitchplease
01:41 <hoax> :(
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09:52 <z-man> #later tell luke-jr http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?sid=d82b047eb3add76038aae8e29ce634fc&p=195701#195701
09:52 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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10:06 <luke-jr> z-man: all the way back to 0.2.7?
10:07 <z-man> As far back as you like :) You're the manager of the gentoo stuff.
10:08 <luke-jr> what requires png?
10:09 <luke-jr> …
10:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8390 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/ (7 files in 2 dirs): check that sdl-image has USE=png
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11:54 <pippijn> zmanuel: hi
11:56 <pippijn> zmanuel: I am working on a printf preprocessor
11:56 <pippijn> zmanuel: it parses the format string before it passes the code to the compiler
11:57 <zmanuel> ok...
11:57 <pippijn> and it works pretty well already :-)
11:58 <pippijn> it uses helper functions to do the formatting
11:58 <pippijn> zmanuel: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/58d453b83076ce6f9fb75d49886ef9be.txt
11:58 <pippijn> zmanuel: becomes
11:59 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/e2347817cfd9c443a5527f25a314983f.txt
12:01 <zmanuel> nice, but, why? what's wrong with C++ stream output (apart from printf being more compact)?
12:03 <pippijn> nothing
12:03 <pippijn> printf is more compact :-)
12:03 <pippijn> and with the format string parsed before runtime, it's as fast as it gets
12:03 <zmanuel> It's your time :)
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12:04 <pippijn> it wasn't trivial
12:04 <pippijn> I wanted to see if I could do it
12:04 <pippijn> it's not finished, but the hard part is done
12:06 <zmanuel> How do you parse the string?
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12:08 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/1ca02649d2719316c948deac795e3254.txt
12:08 <pippijn> don't moan at me for bad style
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8391 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gParser.cpp): Manuel Moos: Version 0 maps now also get zones v1 parsed.
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18:46 <flex> Monkey_arma
18:49 <Monkey_arma> hello
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21:33 <pablo> Hi ^^
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21:33 <Monkey_arma> hello
21:33 <Stewie-arma> hey
21:34 <pablo> would you bare few noob questions ?:P
21:34 <Stewie-arma> possibly >.>
21:34 <pablo> maybe ;P
21:34 <pablo> ok here it goes ;)
21:34 <Monkey_arma> sure..
21:34 <pablo> ive googled a bit, looked at the tron forum
21:35 <pablo> and i discovered double bindings
21:35 <Stewie-arma> yes?
21:35 <pablo> great thing, though my turns are not so tight as I see some other players
21:35 <pablo> other can do u turn like
21:35 <pablo> ||
21:36 <pablo> and im doing |  |
21:36 <Stewie-arma> could be the server settings
21:36 <pablo> no matter how hard I try
21:36 <hoax> you pressing both keys at the same time? :)
21:36 <Monkey_arma> are you pressing the buttons at the same tim?
21:36 <Monkey_arma> *time
21:36 <pablo> I even started to suspect to press them in the same time
21:36 <hoax> xD
21:36 <pablo> ble ;P
21:36 <Stewie-arma> rofl
21:36 <hoax> haha
21:36 <pablo> two senteces ;P
21:36 <pablo> I even started to suspect my keyboard
21:36 <pablo> and yes, i press them in the same time
21:37 <pablo> im using wireless keyboard
21:37 <Monkey_arma> well other players will have no advantage then..they press them at the same time
21:37 <Monkey_arma> wireless should make no difference i think
21:37 <pablo> maybe Linux ?
21:37 <Monkey_arma> BUT....get a wired keyboard ;)
21:38 <Monkey_arma> i doubt linux is..
21:38 <pablo> ive tested it also in office (work ;P ) with wired keyboard - same effect
21:38 <Monkey_arma> ah i have worked it out
21:38 <Stewie-arma> have you?
21:38 <pablo> nope, I still have problem :P
21:38 <Monkey_arma> it depends on what speed you are going at so you need to brake before you double bind
21:38 <Monkey_arma> that will do a tighter double bind
21:39 <Monkey_arma> :)
21:39 <pablo> Monkey could you connect to my server just for a sec ?
21:39 <pablo> ;]
21:39 <pablo> easer way is to show :P
21:39 <Monkey_arma> bah i cant at the moment i am on my other OS
21:39 <pablo> use Linux :P
21:39 <Monkey_arma> i am :)
21:40 <Monkey_arma> i got it on another linux
21:40 <pablo> :D
21:40 <Monkey_arma> it keeps crashing on the other linux so i am changing it over
21:40 <pablo> naaah :/ still cant turn like others :/
21:41 <Stewie-arma> what is the cycle_delay on your server set to?
21:41 <Monkey_arma> i promise you if you use the brake and then press both the keys at the sam time you will be doing the same as the other
21:41 <Monkey_arma> s
21:41 <pablo> 0.1
21:41 <Stewie-arma> that's why
21:41 <Stewie-arma> 0.1 is default right?
21:41 <Monkey_arma> pablo the setting is the same for all players though
21:41 <Monkey_arma> yes it is i think
21:42 <Stewie-arma> but he's talking about on his server right now
21:42 <pablo> ive just started my own servet to check :)
21:42 <Stewie-arma> in console do cycle_delay .05
21:42 <pablo> muahahah :P
21:42 <pablo> ive set it to 5 :D
21:42 <Monkey_arma> pablo are you saying that on the same server as you others are double binding more tightly ?
21:42 <Stewie-arma> 5 is worse than .1
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <pablo> yes, when i play with other on the servers where they can, I cant
21:43 <Stewie-arma> oh
21:43 <pablo> yes :P i know that already :D
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <Stewie-arma> pfft
21:43 <Monkey_arma> well that makes no sense to me...i cant think why
21:43 <Stewie-arma> he said noob question
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <Stewie-arma> uhm
21:43 <Stewie-arma> one sec -.-
21:43 <Monkey_arma> which server are you playing on?
21:43 <pablo> ill give you IP
21:44 <Stewie-arma> not smart to broadcast your ip on the internets
21:44 <Monkey_arma> pablo what version of arma are you running?
21:44 <pablo> ok so to which server should i connect ;)
21:44 <pablo> ive compiled 3.0
21:45 <pablo> (at least there is minimap ;) )
21:45 <Monkey_arma> how much brake is there?
21:45 <Monkey_arma> cycle_brake
21:45 <pablo> default
21:45 <Monkey_arma> which is?
21:46 <pablo> 30
21:46 <Monkey_arma> i think you need to learn to use brake pablo..i cant think of anything else it can be
21:47 <pablo> nor could I
21:47 <pablo> so anyway, if any of you would have a moment just to connect to my server (or any other server)
21:47 <pablo> i would appreciate :)
21:47 <Monkey_arma> are your two keys for left/right next to each other?
21:47 <pablo> yes
21:47 <pablo> left = s+d
21:47 <pablo> righ = j+k
21:47 <pablo> brake = spacve
21:48 <pablo> tso not quite next ;P
21:48 <Monkey_arma> ok it helps to change break to alt because you cant press 3 keys at the same time on some keyboards
21:48 <Monkey_arma> alt is a modifier so it is allowed to be pressed at same time as 2 keyes
21:48 <Monkey_arma> i use alt
21:48 <pablo> good to know, thank you
21:49 <Monkey_arma> i'm still not sure that will solve your issue :)
21:49 <pablo> testing right now
21:50 <pablo> nope :P
21:50 <Monkey_arma> have you tried on another server?
21:50 <pablo> will do right now
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21:50 <Monkey_arma> but dont try it on nexus9 ;)
21:51 <pablo> durak durak land
21:51 <Stewie-arma> durka durka land you mean
21:51 <Monkey_arma> i quite like durak actually
21:51 <Monkey_arma> well on durkaland the binds are tight anyway
21:52 <Monkey_arma> which means that you should not be able to notice any difference between you and the other players
21:54 <pablo> i do :p
21:54 <pablo> i do notice some difference ;)
21:54 <Monkey_arma> hmmm
21:54 <pablo> maybe im tottal noob and not doing something obviouse ;/
21:54 <Monkey_arma> heh
21:55 <Monkey_arma> ok i tell you what i will reboot and come to the server..if i can get my arma to not crash
21:55 <pablo> Monkey when you switch the systems can I ask you to join any server ?:)
21:55 <Monkey_arma> yes
21:56 <Monkey_arma> i will come to irc first
21:56 <Monkey_arma> bbiab
21:56 <pablo> great :) thank you very much
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22:00 <Monkey_arma> ok im on the other OS
22:01 <pablo> :)
22:01 <pablo> what server should I join
22:01 <pablo> should i create one ?
22:01 <Monkey_arma> i will join first
22:01 <Monkey_arma> wait a sec
22:01 <pablo> oook
22:02 <Monkey_arma> ok join yellow submarine
22:02 <Monkey_arma> and try your doubles i will be watching
22:02 <pablo> ook
22:04 <Monkey_arma> lmao hes not joking you know
22:04 <Monkey_arma> his doubles are wider lol
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22:15 <pablo> re
22:15 <pablo> from Windows ;)
22:16 <Stewie-arma> geeze
22:18 <pablo> still same issue
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22:18 <pablo> ill try v3.0
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22:19 <Monkey_arma> pablo did you say you tried it from work on a  wired keyboard?
22:20 <Stewie-arma> he could learn how to triple and just never double bind again...
22:20 <pablo> yes at work, but on my server, not public
22:20 <pablo> where the cycle_delay was set to default
22:21 <pablo> what triple means ?:p
22:21 <pablo> tripple bind ?:P
22:21 <Stewie-arma> yeah
22:21 <Monkey_arma> tripple is left left left right
22:21 <pablo> this could work
22:21 <Monkey_arma> but you cant always press them together
22:21 <pablo> doin P letter shape
22:22 <Monkey_arma> yes
22:22 <Monkey_arma> i would try to get doubles working
22:22 <Monkey_arma> at work were there other people on your server?
22:22 <pablo> yes - second noob :P
22:23 <Monkey_arma> and their double binds were tighter than yours??
22:24 <pablo> he does now what double bind is ;)
22:24 <pablo> ok so if I am a noob he is nooooob :P
22:26 <Monkey_arma> so he was not double binding?
22:29 <pablo> nope
22:29 <pablo> not at all
22:29 <Monkey_arma> ok well then i can only think it is your keyboard...borrow a wired keyboard and test it out
22:30 <pablo> why do i always have such a problems :P
22:31 <Monkey_arma> dont use wireless...EVER
22:31 <Monkey_arma> :)
22:32 <pablo> its convinient :)
22:33 <pablo> ok back to linux :>
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22:37 <pablo> re
22:39 <Monkey_arma> it may be convenient but you wont be winning many games
22:39 <Monkey_arma> i can possibly understand wireless mice but not keyboards
22:40 <pablo> nah :P stupid keyboard will not stop me :P
22:40 <pablo> im searching how to tune it ;P
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22:46 <pablo> btw. Monkey_arma <- wireless keyboard is briliant when you are watching movies  :P
22:50 <flex> I'm using a wireless keyboard and mouse.. what are you on about Monkey_arma
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22:54 <pablo> I have problems with doing doubles
22:54 <pablo> they are no tight :/
22:54 <hoax> what server?
22:55 <pablo> each of the servers
22:55 <flex> pablo join ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server
22:55 <flex> lemmy see :)
22:55 <pablo> ok will do
22:55 <pablo> L(
22:55 <pablo> :)
22:55 <pablo> just w8 :)
22:55 <flex> k
22:56 <pablo> already there
22:58 <pablo> i cant do those tight ones
22:58 <pablo> as you spoted
22:58 <flex> right, that's normal double binds your doing..
22:58 <pablo> but im doing | |
22:59 <flex> the tight ones i have no idea how some of those "high rubber" players do it
22:59 <pablo> and other can even go it with grinding
22:59 <flex> i'm guessing a macro program
23:00 <flex> pablo, your doing perfectly fine double binds.. that's as good as they get without using something else.. ie hotkeys
23:00 <pablo> ok, so how to do a hotkey :D
23:00 <flex> if your keyboard has hotkey settings or something
23:00 <flex> or try
23:00 <flex> http://www.autohotkey.com/
23:01 <pablo> ah so simply setting it on keyboard
23:01 <pablo> like multimedia keys
23:01 <pablo> got it
23:01 <flex> right
23:01 <pablo> ee that would be no fun
23:02 <flex> but, i should suggest, using hotkeys or double binds and stuff is the rookie way :p
23:02 <pablo> rookie ?:> im not as fluent in english :)
23:02 <pablo> could you translate ??:P
23:02 <flex> urm, newb?
23:02 <pablo> as I see on server every one use them ;P
23:03 <pablo> *servers
23:03 <flex> yeah they're all loosers!
23:03 <flex> not so much normal double binds.. they're kinda acceptable
23:03 <flex> it's the norm that's why..
23:03 <pablo> so whats the deal of being non-looser in loosers world ?:D
23:04 <flex> i do it myself, so i guess i can't disagree anyway lol
23:04 <pablo> :D
23:04 <flex> just not hotkeys or anything external..
23:04 <flex> i consider that cheating..
23:05 <pablo> ive already seen nearly immortal players ...
23:05 <pablo> and was wondering how the fu**k they do that ;)
23:06 <pablo> closed in a box
23:06 <pablo> grinding all the time in one place
23:06 <flex> i don't understand really.. they max out the rubber to 20000, then use hotkeys and macros..
23:06 <flex> completely changed the whole idea of the game for me (in my opinion)
23:07 <pablo> dont ask me ;P im a simple noob
23:07 <pablo> :P
23:07 <flex> well, don't be fooled.. that's not even half the picture ;)
23:08 <pablo> discribe the other half ;P
23:08 <flex> fortress, sumo
23:09 <pablo> ah so other game options
23:09 <pablo> like CTF right ?
23:09 <flex> yeah
23:09 <flex> for custom fortress maps, check out Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress
23:10 <pablo> what to do there ?:p
23:10 <flex> you mean how to play?
23:11 <pablo> YES
23:11 <pablo> :]
23:11 <pablo> sry 4 caps
23:11 <pablo> yyy lol. 45 degree turns ?:D
23:11 <flex> you start off in a team, yellow or blue. you need to grind so that you gain more speed and your whole team gains off your grind as well
23:12 <flex> split accordingly to your teammate beside you, so that you don't get teamkilled or end up blocking your teammate in the inside row.
23:13 <flex> the objective of the game is to capture the enemy zone and also defend your own zone from the enemy attacking.
23:13 <flex> pretty simple huh? :p
23:14 <pablo> cool ;P
23:14 <pablo> i get the picture :)
23:14 <flex> hf
23:15 <pablo> thank you :)
23:17 <flex> some tips: try not to enter your own teams zone unless your the "defender" (usually the person circling the zone, trying to block the enemy trying to get into the zone.) also try to grind tight (close to the wall.) when grinding at the start.
23:19 <pablo> :>
23:19 <flex> so that your teammates get the maximum speed, and also you get gain speed more with closer grinds.
23:20 <flex> grinding = when you drive close to a wall or object and it causes friction(sparks) = makes you go faster
23:20 <Monkey_arma> flex you nutter..his doubles arent working..go  to yellow sub and see
23:20 <flex> you silly head
23:21 <flex> his grinds are fine
23:21 <flex> i saw him use it in x sumo
23:21 <Monkey_arma> sumo is different
23:21 <flex> you're confusing him!
23:21 <Monkey_arma> goto yellow sub
23:21 <Monkey_arma> do it!!!!
23:21 <flex> pff
23:21 <Monkey_arma> sumo has more delay so it dont matrer
23:21 <Monkey_arma> matter
23:21 <pablo> :P
23:22 <Monkey_arma> seriously go there and see..its crazy
23:22 <pablo> so are they working or not ?:p
23:22 <Monkey_arma> they are NOT
23:22 <flex> shut up monkey
23:22 <Monkey_arma> #kill flex
23:22 <flex> he's doing the same double bind i'm doing
23:22 <armabot> flex will die on Wed Mar 26 23:26:41 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
23:22 <flex> how is he doing it wrong?
23:22 <Monkey_arma> go to yellow sub NOW
23:22 <Monkey_arma> i will meet you there
23:22 <flex> i'm there
23:22 <pablo> going therte
23:26 <Monkey_arma> haha flex has fucked up binds too
23:43 <Monkey_arma> so we have confirmed now that wireless sucks
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23:45 <flex> haha
23:45 <flex> you're so gay
23:45 <Monkey_arma> so you agree  then ye?
23:46 <flex> no
23:46 <flex> his grinds are fine
23:46 <Monkey_arma> bollox
23:46 <Monkey_arma> you are blind
23:46 <pablo> :>
23:46 <Monkey_arma> pablo is right
23:46 <Monkey_arma> your binds and his are looser than mine
23:47 <pablo> ill get complex because of that :P
23:49 <Monkey_arma> we can compare a wireless with a wired keyboard on the same computer...then we will know...
23:49 <flex> so Monkey_arma, what do you think causes it? wireless is evil?
23:49 <Monkey_arma> that is all i can think of ye
23:50 <Monkey_arma> we will take some screenshots some time
23:51 <pablo> im evil ;P
23:58 <flex> i'll check it out monkey
23:58 <flex> i've got 4-5working spare keyboards
23:59 <Monkey_arma> ok cool when  when you want to do it call me and we will check....it dont have to be now
23:59 <flex> ok
23:59 <flex> plus, we can be more specific and check the connection speed..
23:59 <flex> need software for that
23:59 <hoax> u know you can put keyboards in the dishwasher to clean em
23:59 <Monkey_arma> well i have lame arse connection so it cant be that
23:59 <Monkey_arma> lmao hoax
23:59 <hoax> dont try it with a laptop keyoard mind
23:59 <hoax> :S

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00:00 <flex> really?
00:00 <flex> are you being serious?
00:00 <Monkey_arma> rofl
00:01 <flex> you actually got a working keyboard after you washed it..
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00:03 <pablo> ::D:D:D
00:03 <pablo> you rock ;P
00:06 <hoax> I've never done it..but it can be done you know ;P
00:06 <hoax> might have to be an oldish keyboard though
00:07 <flex> you first
00:07 <hoax> i wouldnt go shoving my logitech g8w578q8 in there
00:07 <hoax> #tea
00:07 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): .:] CuRbSidE, Ady-Lucifer, backinbizz, CT_emmy, dIsOrIeNtEd, hoop, I/O Bus, madmax, metaz, PhysiX, ~*Noto*~
00:08 <flex> in the specs of wireless keyboards & mouses.. why the fuck don't they include connection speed
00:08 <flex> or whatever
00:08 <Monkey_arma> you can find out on the net from the bluetooth specs
00:09 <Monkey_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth
00:09 <Monkey_arma> its near the beginning
00:11 <flex> yeah but we want throughput
00:12 <flex> actually it's same thing.. sorry
00:14 <flex> maybe the fact that they don't display speed is because it's pretty much the same speed as wired..
00:14 <pablo> I HATE THIS GAME :p
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00:15 <Monkey_arma> hmm i reckon its not the speed flex but the lag
00:15 <Monkey_arma> like we get lag playing over internet maybe there is input lag for wireless
00:16 <epsy> probably
00:16 <epsy> you know, i had my bluetooth headphones,
00:16 <epsy> wanted to use my PC for streaming music to it
00:16 <epsy> result: the media player was eating my cpu at 100%
00:16 <flex> bad drivers
00:17 <Monkey_arma> sound can cause problems with performance unfortunatelly
00:17 <epsy> plus my bluetooth randomly stops working
00:17 <epsy> i can do an inquiry, and even a scan
00:17 <epsy> but i can't do anything else
00:17 <flex> bad drivers probably
00:17 <epsy> everything else times out
00:18 <epsy> and the only workaround i found was to ... reboot..
00:18  * luke-jr double clicks his icon, "Reboot!"
00:19 <epsy> luke-jr, this would mean i have to close every of the 30 open windows
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00:23 <flex> the fucking annoying thing is, people mixing up delay speeds and the actual "lag" with the speed
00:23 <flex> so you can't find good dicussions/references..
00:24 <Monkey_arma> flex, join #wireless :)
00:24 <epsy> the lag is the difference of time between something is percieved at point A and at point B
00:24 <epsy> now what are "delay speeds"
00:25 <Monkey_arma> there are different lags
00:25 <Monkey_arma> i spose delay is one and time to get from a to b is another
00:26 <flex> speaking keyboards.. delay speed is where the keyboard "waits" before excuting the next key
00:26 <epsy> right
00:26 <Monkey_arma> its like with LCD monitors..they have at least 2 types of lag
00:26 <epsy> Monkey_arma, point a being a kb and point b being the screen, point a being a client and point b being a server, etc
00:27 <Monkey_arma> even just for hardware there are 2
00:28 <flex> "repeat delay" i think is the culprit.. (other then the actual physical speed)
00:33 <flex> Monkey_arma, go ahead and ask
00:33 <Monkey_arma> heh er...
00:33 <Monkey_arma> flex join too  then
00:33 <flex> i have
00:33 <Monkey_arma> and epsy
00:33 <flex> go
00:34 <Monkey_arma> how do we  word it?
00:34 <flex> is there a difference with wired and wireless keyboards in terms of speed
00:34 <flex> i think
00:35 <flex> that's pretty much what we want to know right :p
00:38 <flex> haha omg monkey
00:38 <flex> did you have to go into detail!
00:38 <Monkey_arma> yes ..its says "we like detail"
00:39 <flex> that's not what they mean by that lol
00:39 <Monkey_arma> oO isnt it?
00:40 <flex> i guess they were meaning specifics, rather then "us dudes play this game right"
00:40 <Monkey_arma> lmao
00:40 <Monkey_arma> i did give enough info too
00:40 <Monkey_arma> :\
00:41 <epsy> alright, good night
00:41 <Monkey_arma> cu epsy
00:41 <flex> gn
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00:52 <pablo> im also going to bed
00:52 <pablo> this games eats too much time :p
00:53 <pablo> bye
00:53 <pablo> ;]
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00:53 <hoax> he'll be back :D
01:02 <Monkey_arma> yup
01:16 <Monkey_arma> well that confirms it..the guys in #wireless say that wireless sucks for gaming
01:17 <flex> haha
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01:27 <Ttech> lol
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11:42 <MrBougo> test
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17:25 <eddiefantastic> epsy: I have put "Ed's fff server" online
17:25 <eddiefantastic> who shall I add as admin/mods? currently it is just you
17:29 <epsy> hm..
17:29 <epsy> eddiefantastic, i'ill organize the rosters then tell you, ok?
17:29 <eddiefantastic> sure
17:30 <eddiefantastic> within 24 hours ok? after that I can't guarantee I'll be around
17:30 <epsy> ok
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19:20 <epsy> http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/?c=3
19:22 <epsy> schedule is up!
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20:31 <epsy> dangit, got bugged in mah face X_x
20:35 <MrBougo> IN YAH FACE
20:35  * MrBougo goes back to the eternal silent stupid idling
20:35 <Stewie-arma> as you should
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21:39 <keit1> is this the right place to ask about arm~ad too?
21:40 <keit1> basically on a fresh install on gutsy it won't connect to the servers.
21:40 <keit1> i did exactly the same install on another machine on the same network and it ran like a dream
21:41 <epsy> yes
21:41 <epsy> we didn't move fro some reason i don't know :)
21:41 <keit1> on this machine it refuses to connect (as do some of the other games which worked on the other machine) - i can only presume it's a iptables issue, but, how can this be as I didn't edit the iptables on the other machine
21:42 <keit1> there you go... my  question is out there ;)
21:42 <epsy> keit1, when you say "it won't connect to the servers" you mean you can't access server list or you actually can't connect a server?
21:42 <keit1> please someone, put me out of my misery
21:42 <keit1> can't access server list
21:42 <keit1> say's it will use old server list then crashes
21:43 <keit1> its the version in the repos
21:43 <epsy> DEBUGLEVEL ?
21:43 <keit1> ?
21:43 <keit1> please explain ! ;)
21:44 <keit1> i installed armagetronad armagetronad-common & armagetronad-dedicated
21:44 <epsy> are you using 0.2.8 or trunk?
21:44 <keit1> 0.2.8
21:44 <keit1> Version: 0.2.8.2.1-4 to be precise
21:44 <epsy> when you run it from a term, do you get any message?
21:44 <keit1> not tried.. shall i add -verbose or something?
21:45 <epsy> there's no -verbose arg :-P
21:45 <keit1> still getting my footing with linux
21:45 <keit1> fair
21:45 <keit1> i shall brb
21:46 <keit1> gets to "recieved 124 servers" then....
21:46 <epsy> then it just crashes?
21:47 <keit1> wtf? it just worked lol
21:47 <keit1> try again from icon 2 secs
21:47 <epsy> heh
21:48 <keit1> and that doesn't work
21:48 <keit1> ok now my head is about to pop
21:48 <epsy> you sure the icon is running the correct arma?
21:48 <keit1> how could it not?
21:48 <keit1> no other version installed
21:49 <epsy> well, it's worth checking
21:49 <keit1> now... terminal launch doen't work
21:49 <epsy> anything appears?
21:50 <keit1> nothing in terminal in way of info and it got as far as saying master server 3 couldn't connect etc...
21:50 <epsy> d'uh...
21:51 <keit1> now after typing this it's in... looks like it's taking a while to get in and failing on some servers?
21:51 <epsy> edit your ~/.armagetronad/master.srv
21:51 <keit1> is this the same for you?
21:51 <epsy> (copy it from the install dir if needed)
21:51 <keit1> what to?
21:51 <epsy> i regularly fail to connect to master 1 and 3
21:51 <epsy> <epsy> edit your ~/.armagetronad/master.srv
21:51 <keit1> what should i edit inside it?
21:51 <epsy>  ~/.armagetronad/var/master.srv *
21:52 <epsy> try to remove the buggy master server entries until you can connect each time
21:52 <keit1> ok
21:53 <keit1> gotta go, will be back if I need more help! but food is ready
21:53 <keit1> peace
21:53 <keit1> and thank you
21:53 <epsy> have a good meal
21:53 <epsy> yw
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22:30 <epsy> eddiefantastic, i'ill admin it myself
22:31 <epsy> now who will admin ¦×¦FFF ?? :) *cough* wrtlprnft *cough*
22:33  * epsy realizes he's highlighting the only people who are /away :þ
22:37 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8392 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWinZone.cpp): epsy: how come we were missing ZONE_ALPHA_TOGGLE on trunk? :-)
22:38 <ct|kyle> epsy: 80.74.156.176 port 4534  <<why is it not on master list (TALK_TO_MASTER is 1)
22:39 <epsy> ct|kyle, i don't own any master
22:39 <ct|kyle> i thought maybe you would know
22:39  * epsy sadly isn't a wizzard
22:40 <hoax> what? gtfo epsy
22:40 <ct|kyle> z-man is the only wixxard i know :D
22:40 <ct|kyle> Wizard*
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22:41 <epsy> Lucifer_bed is a bed wizzard
22:42 <ct|kyle> and wrtlprnft but... he escaped the kingdom
22:43 <Monkey_arma> Perhaps the random teams could do with a better name?
22:45 <Monkey_arma> still 13 is not bad going epsy
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01:36 <armabot> lpbugs: [205977] Trunk can't parse v1 zones from map files || [198430] Text rendering on the cockpit || [198324] Holes are too big if blown into current wall || [197945] Connection to masters is attempted even if DNS lookup fails || [194942] Unresponsive Game when opened. || [194911] Gnome-screensaver kicks armagetron out (minimize bug) || [194144] Undescribable: Hit a wall in the middle of no where? See recording. || [193938] MOVE_TO 
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22:06 <duudii> boo!
22:09 <madmax> no points?
22:10 <Stewie-arma> ?
22:12 <madmax> ... "Boo! No points for that!"
22:12 <duudii> just thought i'd break the 24 hour silence :)
22:12 <Monkey_arma> good idea
22:12 <Monkey_arma> its too quiet in here
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22:13 <Monkey_arma> one place where a pastebin is NOT required
22:14 <duudii> it's not usually like this
22:14 <duudii> there must be something special going on
22:15 <Monkey_arma> it is
22:16 <duudii> since when?
22:16 <Monkey_arma> since always
22:16 <Monkey_arma> apart from the odd armabot
22:18 <duudii> he just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, that bastard...
22:18 <duudii> or she?
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22:18 <duudii> WB!
22:22 <duudii> #armaservers
22:22 <armabot> duudii: This data is 24 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (10/16), Fortress Café (10/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10/14), Wild West  =Sumo= (9/14), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (9/12), Norm's Place (9/12), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (9/12), The Tavern (8/16), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) (6/16), -=}ID< (2 more messages)
22:22 <duudii> #more
22:22 <armabot> duudii: -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), WILDCAT (6/8), The YELLOW Submarine (6/16), >>> FAST TRACK RELOADED (VERY HIGH SPEED) <<< (6/8), |FA| BLACK ICE (4/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (4/12), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (4/10), .dBd|Pathetique's Playhouse .:[High Rubber]:. (4/8), nixda.net - Swampland - Clone (3/8), SPACEZONE II S (3/15), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (2/12), (1 more message)
22:22 <duudii> #more
22:22 <armabot> duudii: Unnamed Server (2/16), SPACEZONE I [HIGH SPEED!!] (2/8), Unnamed Server (1/16), eQ. Clan Server dF. (1/8), GreenZone|gZ Clan Server (1/16), .: Eclipse'd.EC|d Arma Clan :. (1/16)
22:23 <Monkey_arma> nice flood
22:24 <Monkey_arma> we should have a best flood competition with prizes
22:26 <hoax> #bible search monkey
22:27 <hoax> fail :/
22:28 <Monkey_arma> have you seen the fff schedule?
22:28 <Monkey_arma> that aint random at all
22:28 <Monkey_arma> coincidence the two random teams get a bye...?
22:28 <Monkey_arma> and we are playing you....
22:28 <hoax> really?
22:29  * hoax checkz
22:30 <Monkey_arma> #insult epsy
22:30 <armabot> epsy - You are nothing but a porous thimbleful of churlish craptacular.
22:31 <Monkey_arma> epsy you could have at least fixed it for us to play ct or something...
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22:31 <hoax> I can't play saturday anyway
22:31 <hoax> gl
22:31 <Monkey_arma> aw
22:31 <Monkey_arma> so the stickynoob get a game
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22:34 <Monkey_arma> there another monkey on ddl
22:34 <Monkey_arma> oO
22:35 <Stewie-arma> >.>
22:35 <Stewie-arma> it's highly probable
22:35 <Stewie-arma> and it's true
22:36 <Monkey_arma> i might adjust my name to make it more unique
22:37 <Stewie-arma> that would probably be a smart thing to do
22:37 <madmax> m0nkEURy?
22:37 <madmax> gah, EUR x_x
22:39 <Monkey_arma> ye i could "haxor" it up a little
22:39 <Monkey_arma> fr1gg3n_m0nx0r
22:39 <Stewie-arma> rofl
22:39 <Stewie-arma> that's crappy
22:39 <Monkey_arma> i was of course joking i dont like 1337 speak
22:58 <cusco> hail
23:08 <epsy> Monkey_arma, totaly coincidence
23:12 <Monkey_arma> heh
23:13 <epsy> i used the same program to reorder teams for fff and tst
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23:33 <hoax> #tea
23:33 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): AshitakA, Dazzin' dasiy, Hay-Lin (Hay-Lin@forums), MaZuffeR, the HUB (DDMJ@forums), Your Teammate, ~|DS|~G5, ¦x¦xs20, ¦×¦epsy (epsy@x)
23:35 <Monkey_arma> yes im up for cafe
23:39 <hoax> pff your up for anything
23:39 <Stewie-arma> woah there
23:39 <Stewie-arma> let's not bring his sexual relations into this
23:40 <hoax> got something to hide between you & monkey stewie? :D
23:40 <Stewie-arma> nope
23:40 <Stewie-arma> I'm straight as can be
23:40 <hoax> right right ;)
23:41 <Stewie-arma> hey, I'm straighter than a rainbow damn it!
23:43 <hoax> haha
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23:59 <hoax> http://bp2.blogger.com/_8tYhjRqm9wo/R-KrxEf-aaI/AAAAAAAAAEY/qXAa3n-vHqQ/s1600-h/realhomer.jpg
23:59 <hoax> http://bp1.blogger.com/_8tYhjRqm9wo/R9wlbd1K5_I/AAAAAAAAADE/zzsfVhJxwXA/s1600-h/realmario.jpg

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11:32 <Monkey_arma> is  anyone awake in here yet? i need a hand installing from trunk
11:34 <z-man> what's the problem?
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11:36 <Monkey_arma> well i have downloaded trunk with bazaar but i dont know where to go from there...there is a configure.ac and Makefile.am file but no plain configure or Makefile...
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11:52 <Monkey_arma> you might not have got that
11:52 <Monkey_arma> well i have downloaded trunk with bazaar but i dont know where to go from there...there is a configure.ac and Makefile.am file but no plain configure or Makefile...
12:02 <zmanuel> you need to run ./bootstrap.sh, that generates those files.
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12:04 <Monkey_arma> Running aclocal...
12:04 <Monkey_arma> ./bootstrap.sh: line 15: aclocal: command not found
12:04 <Monkey_arma> rm: cannot remove `aclocal.m4': No such file or directory
12:08 <z-man> Then you need to have autoconf and automake installed.
12:15 <Monkey_arma> ok thx im getting there...need boost library now :\ ..../me is looking for it
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12:30 <cusco> what is the latest windows binarie available?
12:31 <cusco> from arma 3
12:31 <cusco> in beta.arma dates back to 2005
12:31 <cusco> oh sorry got that wrong
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12:37 <Monkey_arma> ok zman after many extra libraries I have got the Makefile ..it should be fine from here ...thx for your help. I dont congratulate you on this game much so I'll do it now...gratz for armagetron....keep up the good work....
12:53 <z-man> ty
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13:14 <flex> z-man, bugfarm sumo going to stay like that or you just forgot? (just letting you know)
13:20 <Monkey_arma> ok is google on anyone elses computer in black?
13:21 <Monkey_arma> because mine is
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13:39 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, mine is white in french as mush as in english
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13:46 <hoax-> http://www.blackle.com/
13:46 <hoax-> lol
13:50 <Monkey_arma> K-Yo, http://www.google.co.uk
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13:59 <mkzelda> lol
13:59 <mkzelda> thats black
13:59 <mkzelda> Google users in the United Kingdom will notice today that we "turned the lights out" on the Google.co.uk homepage as a gesture to raise awareness of a worldwide energy conservation effort called Earth Hour. As to why we don't do this permanently - it saves no energy; modern displays use the same amount of power regardless of what they display. However, you can do something to reduce the energy consumption of your home PC by joining the Climate
13:59 <mkzelda> Savers Computing Initiative.
13:59 <mkzelda> of course they didnt do that in the US
14:02 <epsy> lol
14:03 <mkzelda> its unamerican to even do so
14:03 <mkzelda> saving energy pssshh
14:03 <mkzelda> let those socialist euros do it
14:04 <hoax> heh none of the other googles are black
14:05 <hoax> continental europe just aint ready for it i guess :p
14:05 <epsy> it's on different days i guess
14:05 <K-Yo> Monkey_on_trunk, same
14:05 <K-Yo> I have it white
14:06 <hoax> tut tut tut, racist
14:06 <K-Yo> Oh, sorry I was on .co.uk in french, but in english, it's indeed black
14:06 <hoax> LOL
14:06 <K-Yo> I'll never understand google...
14:06 <K-Yo> How come google.co.uk is in french by default on my comp?
14:07 <K-Yo> If I go to .co.uk it's certainly not to have it in french o_O
14:07 <epsy> bah
14:07 <K-Yo> Do you really think putting google in black saves Energy?
14:07 <K-Yo> that seems weird to me
14:07 <epsy> seriousely, if google was like that all the time
14:07 <Monkey_on_trunk> its symbolic
14:08 <K-Yo> orly?
14:08 <epsy> it would really fit better to my desktop
14:08 <K-Yo> hum
14:08 <madmax> it doesn't, and they say it on their page about it
14:08 <K-Yo> If google was pink and orange it would fit with mine ;)
14:09 <Monkey_on_trunk> well trunk feels less laggy/jerky but the fps its saying im gettin is low
14:09 <hoax> nah actually http://www.blackle.com/ is in black because they think black pixels take less energy
14:10 <hoax> but it depends on what technology for your monitor you use
14:10 <epsy> CRTs ftw hoax?
14:10 <epsy> :D
14:10 <hoax> dont think so :D
14:10 <hoax> woot
14:10 <hoax> lunchen
14:10 <hoax> :)
14:12 <mkzelda> http://www.blackle.com/about/
14:13 <Monkey_on_trunk> im on CRT
14:13 <mkzelda> tell them not me
14:14 <mkzelda> lol@ visit treehugger.com
14:21 <Monkey_on_trunk> subcultures ftw?
14:28 <flex> what the fuck! why the fuck we have to turn off our lights when the other fuckers are still alit! fucking i want my money back!
14:30 <K-Yo> you said too much "fuck", now this is your punishment
14:30 <flex> i will refresh the page the whole day just to waste energy and googles bandwidth!
14:30 <flex> and also leave the lights on the whole night
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14:40 <Monkey_arma> trunk is great but what have they done to the glance returning speed?
14:47 <madmax> heh, one of the reasons i use .2.8
14:50 <Monkey_arma> there must be a setting somewhere to change that
14:50  * Monkey_arma checks wiki
14:50 <epsy> Monkey_arma, camera_custom_turn_speed
14:51 <Monkey_arma> you are very very wrong
14:51 <Monkey_arma> :)
14:51 <Monkey_arma> try it
14:52 <epsy> well, logically it would be that
14:52 <Monkey_arma> try that on 20
14:52 <epsy> when i se turn speed to 0, it doesn't return back to the inital angle
14:52 <Monkey_arma> it might affect it too but it causes havoc when u turn
14:52 <StickyNoob> what time is fff
14:52 <Monkey_arma> you missed it sticky
14:53 <Monkey_arma> 19:30 i think
14:53 <StickyNoob> yo epsy and Monkey_arma
14:53 <Monkey_arma> hi sticky
14:53 <StickyNoob> ok
14:53 <epsy> when i set it to 1000 it turns back instantlmy
14:53 <epsy> "instantly"
14:53 <Monkey_arma> epsy try turning and see how bad the camera is
14:53 <StickyNoob> heh glancing again?
14:53 <Monkey_arma> not glancing
14:53 <Monkey_arma> yes sticky
14:53 <epsy> well, it's totally affected by turn_speed
14:53 <Monkey_arma> try turning without glancing epsy...its messed up
14:54 <epsy> the more i set it high, the faster it turns back to initial pos
14:54 <epsy> ?
14:55 <Monkey_arma> try to play with camera_custom_turn_speed 1000 for a laugh...go o
14:55 <Monkey_arma> n
14:55 <epsy> that's why i let it under 10
14:55 <Monkey_arma> so can we not solve the glance alone?
14:56 <epsy> no
14:58 <Monkey_arma> clearly...
14:58 <epsy> and, well, separating them would be a total hack, which might also fail in some cases
14:58 <K-Yo> epsy, on a nos chances pour aller en finale mine de rien
15:00 <epsy> K-Yo, tu vx dire en semifinale
15:00 <K-Yo> euh
15:00 <K-Yo> nan en finale
15:00 <epsy> ben y'a lekip de legit
15:00 <K-Yo> o_O
15:00 <K-Yo> ah TSS?
15:01 <epsy> nn, z-team
15:01 <epsy> TSS c DS
15:01 <K-Yo> ah ouais
15:01 <K-Yo> oui
15:01 <K-Yo> donc si on passe en semi, c'est qu'on a battu la zteam (ou vous)
15:01 <K-Yo> et a partir de là
15:01 <epsy> nous?
15:01 <K-Yo> t'es pas ds les gangbangers?
15:01 <epsy> nn
15:01 <K-Yo> ah non
15:02 <K-Yo> vs les bankok
15:02 <K-Yo> c'est qui les gangbang?
15:02 <epsy> Gangbangerz
15:02 <epsy> No description
15:02 <epsy>     * xXxButt Plugg
15:02 <epsy>     * xXxRapist
15:02 <epsy>     * xXxDildo
15:02 <epsy>     * xXx<ºk $u<kº
15:02 <K-Yo> a part cyclo...
15:03 <epsy> cyclo, omega...
15:03 <K-Yo> oki
15:03 <K-Yo> ils vont sortir euh jpense
15:03 <epsy> ptet mem freaky
15:03 <K-Yo> eux*
15:03 <epsy> ben...
15:03 <K-Yo> ils sont en face de tr quoi
15:04 <epsy> lol ué
15:04 <K-Yo> pfff
15:04 <K-Yo> en gros c'est tr qui va en finale
15:04 <K-Yo> sauf si on arrive a les battre :D
15:04 <epsy> haha
15:04 <K-Yo> >< pourquoi tu rigoles
15:05 <epsy> la dernière fois on s'est faite battre par eux
15:05 <epsy> alors bon..
15:05 <K-Yo> "on"? x
15:05 <K-Yo> ?
15:06 <K-Yo> mais c'est aps dans les mêmes circonstances
15:06 <K-Yo> là on garde le meilleur de ct ds l'equipe
15:06 <K-Yo> ;)
15:06 <epsy> mouef, faut voir
15:06 <K-Yo> et vous vous riquez de vous faire fumer non?
15:06 <K-Yo> fave aux holerz
15:06 <K-Yo> c*
15:06 <epsy> lol X_x
15:07 <epsy> ski est chiant c que apres faut qd meme que je reste
15:08 <cusco> je ne parle pas francaise
15:09 <cusco> thats all I can say really :p
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15:18 <K-Yo> lol cusco
15:18 <K-Yo> epsy, il faut que tu reste pour admin?
15:19 <madmax> someone here using the last released build of Opera?
15:19 <K-Yo> *no*
15:20 <madmax> the url to google search seems broken (or really slow) lol
15:22 <Monkey_arma> i was thinking of trying opera out actually..but havent got round to it
15:31 <flex> it's gay and sucks
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16:19 <madmax> cusco: o/
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16:19 <madmax> cusco_: o/
16:19 <epsy> heh
16:20 <madmax> epsy: o/
16:21 <epsy> \o
16:21 <hoax> cusco
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20:16 <cusco_> hoax: what
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20:25 <Monkey_arma> epsy i dont want to have to break this too you but the gmt time on the fff site is one hour behind
20:26 <Monkey_arma> its 7:30 now
20:27 <cusco> lol
20:27 <cusco> and tomorrow it might be two hours behind
20:27 <cusco> :p
20:27 <Monkey_arma> hehe OMFG
20:27 <eddiefantastic> z-man: you around?
20:27 <Monkey_arma> EPPSSSEEEEY EMERGENCY
20:27 <cusco> daylight saving time changes tonight
20:27 <Monkey_arma> they dont come until 2am
20:27 <Stewie-arma> ?
20:27 <z-man> yep
20:27 <cusco> yep that is why I said tomorrow
20:28 <z-man> eddiefantastic: what's up? FFF?
20:28 <eddiefantastic> I think there may be a bug. I just managed to crash the server anyway. bear with me..
20:29 <eddiefantastic> I was logged in as ed@crazy-tronners.com, but I wanted to be ed@forums so I changed in in player 1 settings, then entered on authenticate, the server crashed. no console messages
20:29 <eddiefantastic> on ed's fff, latest (yesterday) svn
20:29 <eddiefantastic> can't test now as there's a tournament going on
20:29 <eddiefantastic> gtg.
20:30 <z-man> good luck
20:31  * Ttech waives hi
20:31 <Ttech> ;)
20:32 <Monkey_arma> hi
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20:41 <Monkey_arma> edd we need an admin on your fff server..epsy has not turned up
20:41 <Monkey_arma> we cant reset
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20:49 <Lackadaisical> was there an email sent out for the fff?
20:54 <z-man> not that I would know, no.
21:08 <luke-jr> someone should make a minefield mod
21:08 <luke-jr> where certain parts of the map get random deathzone adds
21:08 <luke-jr> every second or two
21:12 <eddiefantastic> luke-jr: you never played in the house of the flying deathzones then?
21:13 <luke-jr> no?
21:13 <eddiefantastic> pretty much like that only the dz's moved
21:13 <luke-jr> i c
21:13 <luke-jr> mines don't move tho :þ
21:13 <eddiefantastic> it wasn't very popular
21:14 <luke-jr> mines would be small
21:14 <eddiefantastic> would you like a mine spawning on your cycle?
21:14 <luke-jr> and perhaps have a second of warning
21:14 <luke-jr> like a yellow zone growing over a second
21:14 <luke-jr> and turning red when it's done
21:14 <eddiefantastic> armahacktron and a simple script would do what you need
21:15 <luke-jr> and disappearing when it kills or x seconds, whichever is first
21:15 <luke-jr> that would allow a lot of them :D
21:15 <eddiefantastic> plantpeanuts.co.uk/tron.tar.gz
21:15 <eddiefantastic> there's the latest source for it there if you want to play around with it
21:16 <luke-jr> eddiefantastic: once 0.2.8.3 is done, you should be given a branch to work on "0.2.9" or something, even if the other guys don't want to mess with the 0.2 codebase anymore
21:16 <eddiefantastic> wiki.crazy-tronners.com <-- and incomplete documentation there also
21:16 <luke-jr> IMO
21:16 <eddiefantastic> i hear it's easy enough to create our own bzr branch
21:17 <luke-jr> shrug
21:17 <eddiefantastic> that's the plan
21:17 <luke-jr> I'm still happy with svn, no idea on all that new bzr stuff
21:17 <eddiefantastic> we're waiting for 0.2.8.3 and the time to do it really
21:18 <luke-jr> is bzr anything like darcs or git?
21:18 <luke-jr> git seems to be getting pretty popular
21:18 <eddiefantastic> armahacktron really does allow for lots of crazy game modes
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21:32 <eddiefantastic> luke-jr: http://crazy-tronners.com/wiki/ <-- that would be the link. not that other one I gave
21:32 <madmax> Monkey_arma: just saw your msg...
21:32 <madmax> wasn't here
21:33 <eddiefantastic> luke-jr: http://crazy-tronners.com/wiki/index.php/Running_a_Server <-- there's even the random dz's script
21:41 <Monkey_arma> no probs none of our team could tell the time..so...
21:42 <Monkey_arma> one got delayed actually but nvm :)
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21:43 <epsy> Monkey_arma, the clock on the fff page depends on the user's clock
21:43 <epsy> Monkey_arma, if the user's clock is messed, i can't do anything
21:44 <Monkey_arma> epsy dont worry :)
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04:52 <armabot> ping
04:57 <Vanhayes> #poing
04:57 <armabot> piong
04:57 <Vanhayes> #piong
04:57 <armabot> poing
04:57 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 51 seconds old; Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) (12/16), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (11/12), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (8/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (7/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (7/12), |FA| BLACK ICE (6/16), []=[].SniperzKlan Arena<--->CTF Shooting.[]=[] (5/8), GreenZone|gZ Clan Server (5/16), Auctorita High Rubber (5/8), - | D u r (2 more messages)
04:58 <Ttech> 0.0
05:06 <Monkey_arma> #vanhayes
05:06 <armabot> eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? EH?!?!?!!!!!!1111ONEONE
05:06 <Monkey_arma> oO
05:07 <Vanhayes> hmm, how long has that been tat
05:07 <Vanhayes> that*
05:07 <Monkey_arma> its specially for you van
05:08 <Vanhayes> it used to say something else, forget what it was
05:09 <Vanhayes> It was more insulting iirc
05:09 <Monkey_arma> like....
05:09 <Monkey_arma> #insult Vanhayes
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes - You are nothing but a vapid bag of hasty-witted pond.
05:09 <Monkey_arma> didnt you fancy the fff tourney?
05:10 <Vanhayes> wasnt around for it, was working up in wdmonton during the week
05:10 <Vanhayes> who won?
05:12 <Vanhayes> or is itg even over
05:12 <Monkey_arma> it was half today and half yesterday. The team that won today and will be in the final tomorrow after the other half of the draw is complete was a random team consisting of durka, lackadaisical, raiden and punkboy
05:12 <Vanhayes> fff= four fortress something
05:12 <Monkey_arma> http://fff.armagetron.co.uk
05:13 <Vanhayes> know 3 of those, dont know punkboy
05:13 <Monkey_arma> i think he is fairly new. he played well...the others played superbly
05:13 <Vanhayes> wait, thought it was radian, dont think i know raidan
05:14 <Monkey_arma> you thought it was radian lol ye
05:14 <Monkey_arma> i didnt really know him either till recently
05:14 <Vanhayes> misread
05:14 <Vanhayes> i think i saw him a few weeks ago
05:15 <Monkey_arma> its a great idea..hopefully we will do more tourneys like this
05:15 <Vanhayes> what does fff stand for?
05:15 <Monkey_arma> it says on the site :)  fortress for for
05:15 <Monkey_arma> er four
05:15 <Monkey_arma> start again...fortress for four
05:16 <Vanhayes> hmm says fortress four four, must be a typo
05:16 <Monkey_arma> no it doesnt
05:16  * Monkey_arma hands Vanhayes some glasses
05:17 <Vanhayes> in that link it says fortress four four, i swear
05:17 <Monkey_arma> ye it does in the second bit lol
05:17  * Monkey_arma gets epsy a dictionary
05:20 <Vanhayes> so, anything new hppen lately in tron?
05:20 <Monkey_arma> apart from this fff...hmm..not that much...i got trunk today instead of 2.8.2.1 for the first time...
05:21 <Monkey_arma> epsy told me i would get more fps but he was WRONG
05:21 <Vanhayes> how is that?
05:22 <Monkey_arma> u mean how good is it?
05:22 <Vanhayes> ya, any differences
05:22 <Monkey_arma> it is good in that it has some improvements ..like the minimap etc but they have messed up the camera glancing TOTALLY
05:23 <Monkey_arma> its got little things like tab completion for names etc
05:23 <Monkey_arma> its fine except for the glancing
05:23 <Monkey_arma> looks nicer too
05:23 <Monkey_arma> also authentication..amongst other things
05:24 <Monkey_arma> in the menu
05:24 <Vanhayes> is the glances the ones from 0.3?
05:25 <Monkey_arma> i think it might be...if the ones in .3 suck  then yes :)
05:26 <Monkey_arma> i think its like .3 but with some 3d gfx enhanced stuff
05:27 <Vanhayes> i like the 0.3 better than the 0.2.8, i like the glance forward
05:29 <Monkey_arma> glance forward ftw? what is that i dont know of any glance forward....
05:30 <Vanhayes> 0.3 has glance forward, plus he regular glances, left right back
05:31 <Vanhayes> the*
05:31 <Monkey_arma> it does? how do you glance forward? i dont understand...
05:31 <Monkey_arma> surely you are already facing forward
05:35 <Vanhayes> the glances are weird, but i like them better, they aren't based around the cycle, they are sort of idepwndent
05:35 <Vanhayes> hard for me to explain right jow
05:36  * Monkey_arma will investigate these glances later
05:37 <Monkey_arma> you are right as well..i just looked in the player settings
05:39 <Monkey_arma> oh i see how they work..i have just tested them out..
05:40 <Vanhayes> i guess it all depends on what you are used to using, i got used to 0.3 since it was the newest for a year
05:41 <Monkey_arma> they are really weird to get used to
05:43 <Vanhayes> i used 0.3 since it first came out, just starting to et used to the new 0.2.8 glances again
05:43 <Monkey_arma> i think the issue with these glances is that they cant be made to go back quick enough
05:43 <Monkey_arma> without altering other game feel
05:44 <Vanhayes> i think there is a setting to make them go faster , forget what it is though
05:45 <Monkey_arma> it dont work..it affects other settings
05:45 <Monkey_arma> but..it seems  like you can just press another glance to counter it..
05:46 <Vanhayes> ya, i usually just pressed left or right 2 times to look beind me
05:47 <Vanhayes> btw how does mate work ?
05:48 <Monkey_arma> mate? you mean the mates thing in the menu? i do not know :)
05:49 <Vanhayes> damn, me either
05:51 <Monkey_arma> it looks like you put peoples names in  there
05:51 <Monkey_arma> join a server and i will try it
05:55 <Monkey_arma> basically it seems to only select servers with people in your mates list
05:55 <Monkey_arma> unless none of your mates are online then it shows all servers :)
05:57 <Monkey_arma> im off to bed cu
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06:02 <Vanhayes> is there anyone out there?
06:03 <Vanhayes> bbl, maybe
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08:54 <Stewie-arma> #weather 92037
08:54 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 56.3°F (11:55 PM PDT on March 29, 2008). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
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09:49 <noisymouse> (/me = pinky)
09:49 <noisymouse> is there still a way to sign up for the tourney tomorrow?
09:49 <noisymouse> a team I could join?
10:03 <flex> www.fff.armagetron.co.uk
10:04 <flex> it's too late now it think
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11:35 <Mixnetwork> hi
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14:05 <wrtlprnft> epsy: err, i don't know if i can admin tonight
14:05 <epsy> np, i'll be there
14:06 <epsy> wrtlprnft, but, could you just remove that outdated round_console_message ? :P
14:07 <wrtlprnft> ah, sure :-)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything important?
14:08 <wrtlprnft> besides voodoo's cockpit stuff, which i'll have a look at :-)
14:09 <epsy> er, what are you talking about?
14:12 <wrtlprnft> didn't he post it to the forums yet?
14:12 <wrtlprnft> i haven't checked yet, i just got a /msg from him telling me he's got something that works
14:12 <epsy> i don't know
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16:25 <eddiefantastic> hi wrtlprnft, how was skiing?
16:26 <eddiefantastic> epsy: if you're admin of x server, who is admin of Ed's?
16:27 <eddiefantastic> on the subject, where were you yesterday to admin it?
16:27 <epsy> eddiefantastic, freako's adminning the x server
16:27 <epsy> eddiefantastic, i had a bit of delaying
16:28 <eddiefantastic> ok
16:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: fun :-)
16:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: do you know where i can find voodoo's patch?
16:28 <eddiefantastic> no, not sure he's made it yet
16:29 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
16:29 <wrtlprnft> i just had some chat about it in my awaylog
16:29 <eddiefantastic> he did say it was finished and ready though
16:29 <wrtlprnft> i want to see it :-D
16:29 <eddiefantastic> ready to build a patch that is
16:29 <eddiefantastic> me too
16:29 <wrtlprnft> although i figure i can't really use it with my gpu
16:30 <eddiefantastic> quad monitors ftw!
16:30 <eddiefantastic> he says it doesn't effect fps
16:31 <wrtlprnft> I think arma is fill limited for me, so it might just work
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17:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: error : Invalid argument
17:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: your ratings script keeps spitting that at me
17:45  * K-Yo slap luke-jr's rating scripts and gives wrtlprnft a candy
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19:05 <guru3> does anyone know if the DDL forums are open registration or not?
19:07 <flex> it's meant to be
19:08 <guru3> can't find the registration page for the life of me
19:08 <guru3> ddl in general seems to hate me
19:08 <guru3> oh wait
19:08 <guru3> finally let me log in
19:09 <guru3> i will never ever log out again
19:10 <flex> that place is fucked
19:11 <guru3> i've had... more luck with other phpb forums
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19:26 <guru3> what's an online server that supports auth?
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19:36 <Durka> #lastseen madmax
19:36 <armabot> Durka: madmax has last been seen on Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) 15 hours 29 minutes ago.
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19:39 <epsy> guru3, fortress café ?
19:39 <guru3> that gave me an error though :/
19:40 <epsy> on café?
19:40 <epsy> i'm currently auth'd there
19:41 <guru3> that's the server with an absurd no. of players right?
19:41 <guru3> it barfed at the space in my name
19:41 <epsy> #sd safé
19:41 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “saf” at the moment, sorry.
19:41 <epsy> #tea
19:41 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (17/32): /dev/null/h4ck, <T¤$afari$Kater, AshitakA, CTT_emphasis, freako, Jupiter, PhysiX, Radian, ~*Noto*~, ~*SP*~freaky (freaky@forums), ~|DS|~G5, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¦ FoFo, ¦×¦ Infamous, ¦×¦epsy (epsy@x), °°pixel
19:42 <Durka> guru3: did you guys (and girl) get it to work?
19:43 <guru3> get what?
19:43 <Durka> auth
19:43 <epsy> well, it works O_O
19:44 <Durka> #slap pepsy
19:44 <armabot> Durka slaps pepsy for being a raving moron.
19:44 <epsy> :(
19:45 <guru3> it may or may not work
19:45 <Durka> why the sad face epsy? ... epsy ≠ pepsy
19:45 <guru3> have to find a server first
19:45 <epsy> lol
19:45 <Durka> i'll try cafe
19:45 <epsy> you mean the mismatch error?
19:45 <guru3> yes
19:45 <epsy> ah yeah, that one is very random
19:45 <guru3> think i may have found it
19:45 <guru3> and wow talk about obscure bug
19:46 <Durka> guru3: you're in cafe? o_O
19:47 <epsy> he is
19:47 <guru3> yes
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19:47 <guru3> z
19:47 <epsy> heh
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19:48 <guru3> i couldn't find a registration link _anywhere_
19:49 <Durka> upper left
19:50 <Durka> most ppl read from left to right so i put it upper left...
19:50 <guru3> i never saw it
19:50 <guru3> i searched the page for registratioin
19:50 <guru3> and i still missed it
19:50 <Durka> 'register'
19:51 <epsy> Durka, if login and register were near each to other it would be somewhat easier
19:51 <Durka> there's a login box
19:51 <guru3> WITH NO REGISTRATION LINK
19:51 <guru3> i thought for sure there would be one there
19:52 <Durka> yes there is!
19:52 <Durka> lol
19:52 <guru3> there isn't
19:52 <Durka> watch watch
19:53 <guru3> well i refuse to log out to check
19:53 <guru3> because it took about 5 minutes to login last time
19:53 <guru3> had to do that stupid visual confirmation bout 8 times
19:53 <Durka> i know ;(
19:54 <guru3> it told me i was trying to hack after i went through the stupid little password prompt too
19:54 <Durka> what u have to do sometimes is click the image and open it in a new window since it sometimes shows the wrong one
19:54 <Durka> well that's one reason i have NO bots ;)
19:54 <Durka> and no spam (from bots....)
19:55 <guru3> lol
19:55 <Durka> ok
19:55 <Durka> guru3: http://i26.tinypic.com/zxmudx.jpg
19:56 <Durka> that is on the left middle ish area of the portal and forum index
19:56 <Durka> do you not see the "Don't have an account yet? You can register for FREE"
19:56 <guru3> why the hell is that on the elft
19:56 <Durka> er
19:56 <Durka> that's on the right
19:56 <Durka> lol
19:57 <guru3> well hey
19:57 <guru3> in good news
19:57 <guru3> i didn't fuck up your database
19:57 <Durka> :D
19:57 <Durka> just one question
19:57 <Durka> when someone is to click the "whos playing in ddl" thingee
19:58 <Durka> will the names now be super long? like:  Durka (durka@durkadurkaland.com)
19:58 <Durka> :\/
19:58 <guru3> don't think so
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19:58 <guru3> what i've done touches none of that
19:58 <Durka> k
19:58 <Durka> alrighty then
19:58 <guru3> now you can stop bugging angel
19:59 <Durka> :O
19:59 <Durka> never!
19:59 <Durka> :P
19:59 <guru3> well have fun logging in places anyway
20:00 <guru3> i'm afk
20:02 <Durka> guru3: it works :)
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20:19 <z-man> Sooo, just to clarify, FFF starts in one hour?
20:20 <hoax> todays games start now
20:21 <hoax> oh wait nvm
20:21 <hoax> pff GMT is so yesterday epsy
20:21  * z-man was pretty upset to discover DST started three weeks earlier than last year
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20:33 <epsy> z-man, yes
20:33 <epsy> Lackadaisical, ping
20:35 <Lackadaisical> hi epsy
20:35 <Lackadaisical> i heard i need to find someone before the fff starts?
20:36 <Lackadaisical> someone who hasnt signed up for another team?
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20:52 <epsy> Lackadaisical, indeed
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21:00 <epsy> Lackadaisical, you have 25 mins remaining... :/
21:00 <Monkey_arma> until?
21:01 <Lackadaisical> untill i need to have a sub for durka
21:01 <Monkey_arma> are you going to smurf someone in as  durka?
21:02 <Monkey_arma> if you do, remind them to moan about lag all the time so  people think its really him
21:02 <Lackadaisical> hah no
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21:03 <Lackadaisical> epsy: I asked Your_mom to sub for durka
21:03 <epsy> Lackadaisical, is he OK with that?
21:03 <Lackadaisical> yes
21:05 <epsy> ok i'll add him as sub
21:06 <Lackadaisical> thanks
21:07 <hoax> epsys always saying about his mom moaning...suitible cover for dorka imo
21:07 <epsy> Lackadaisical, done
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21:14 <Monkey_arma> people are so dozy...2 teams are on the wrong server lolo
21:15 <Durka> epsy: ping
21:16 <epsy> yes?
21:17 <Monkey_arma> durka is here omg
21:17 <Durka> zomg
21:17 <Monkey_arma> durka did the lag improve yesterday when us spectators left?
21:17 <Durka> no
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21:18 <Durka> Lackadaisical: Your_mom? :D
21:18 <Legit> z-man u sexy beast get ur ass to zmans server right now!
21:18 <epsy> lol!
21:18 <z-man> Already there.
21:19 <Durka> lol z-man 's playign
21:19 <z-man> Looks like I'll have to
21:19 <flex> Legit is seriously creepy..
21:19 <z-man> Doom!
21:19 <Durka> ;)
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21:20 <flex> Legit, why the fuck you using the CT java IRC! we have our own..
21:20 <Monkey_arma> notice durka didnt answer my question...because of course it made no difference
21:21 <flex> Monkey_arma, he did answer. he said no
21:21  * Monkey_arma was not paying attention
21:21 <Legit> becus idk how to use it there
21:21 <Legit> lol
21:22 <flex> urm.. same thing
21:22 <flex> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/irc.php
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21:57 <K-Yo> #si -v z-man
21:58 <armabot> K-Yo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “z-man” at the moment, sorry.
21:58 <K-Yo> #armaservers
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21:58 <armabot> K-Yo: This data is 31 seconds old; Tournament Server, Participants Only Please (10/32), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), Wild West  =Tournament Server= ~Alpha~ (10/10), (°¤° Angel's FFF Server °¤°) (10/16), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (9/12), Wild West  =Tournament Server= ~Bravo~ (9/10), The Tavern (9/16), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (9/16), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (9/12), (3 more messages)
21:58 <flex> hahah Monkey_arma
21:59 <flex> £>
22:00 <Monkey_arma> indeed
22:01 <Monkey_arma> :\
22:02 <Monkey_arma> epsy by the way, the trunk might improve fps for some people who use 3D fx but i dont so it made my fps worse..but dont worry...
22:07 <flex> Monkey_arma, why don't you upgrade from your pentium 2 then
22:07 <Monkey_arma> its a p3 i think
22:08 <epsy> rofl
22:08 <Monkey_arma> i will ..i am  waiting to hear from supplier
22:08 <flex> supplier?
22:08 <Monkey_arma> there is a place that gets second hand stuff...when they get in what i want they will tell me
22:08 <Monkey_arma> i only have pci slots..i want a mobo with agp and an agp card
22:08 <flex> what do you spend all your money on!
22:09 <flex> do you smoke?
22:09 <Monkey_arma> no
22:09 <Monkey_arma> i have the money for it
22:09 <Monkey_arma> they dont have the parts yet
22:09 <flex> what about internet?
22:09 <Monkey_arma> i got internet
22:09 <flex> yes i mean online
22:10 <flex> orders
22:10 <hoax> thought you said you had a p2
22:10 <hoax> ypu could easily tell a p3
22:10 <Monkey_arma> the price i will pay for these is cheaper than internet with p&p
22:10 <Monkey_arma> i have a p3-900mhz with 128 ram
22:10 <flex> jeez
22:10 <Monkey_arma> my laptop is a p2
22:10 <Monkey_arma> p2 366mhz
22:10 <hoax> p3ftw!
22:10 <flex> i have some spare ram sticks.. you want them Monkey_arma lol
22:11 <hoax> Monkey_arma, youre a tramp
22:11 <hoax> :)
22:11  * Monkey_arma searches bin for food
22:11 <Monkey_arma> hmmmm...chicken bones
22:11 <hoax> 'spare some ram stick please'
22:11 <Monkey_arma> i have ordered p4-2gig with good agp card...512 ram
22:11 <flex> na seriously Monkey_arma, are you saving up for like a super car or something
22:11 <hoax> dont give him that shit hell only go buy ati cards instead!!
22:12 <Monkey_arma> heh no i just like to keep some  savins..i dont need a fancy comp for tron
22:12 <Monkey_arma> when they get the bits i will be sorted
22:12 <flex> one of those dudes that live off £1 trying to save up 300k for a supercar
22:12 <hoax> heh innit
22:12 <Monkey_arma> no i dont think i will be having a supercar sometime soon
22:13 <flex> is it the mortgage?
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22:13 <hoax> lol!
22:13 <flex> bills? drugs?
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22:14 <flex> hoax money problems are with drugs so he might be able to understand you ;)
22:14 <Monkey_arma> heh
22:14 <flex> if that's the case^
22:14 <hoax> hah wtf :|
22:15 <flex> not into charly ? :p
22:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8393 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/scrap/scrap.cpp: "fixed" a compiler warning
22:15 <Monkey_arma> no drugs flex
22:16 <hoax> pff too expenisve flex
22:16 <flex> i'm seriously going to through away these really old ram sticks.. if they fit on your p2 why not take them.. i'll send them :p
22:19 <Monkey_arma> my p2 is a laptop flex
22:19 <Monkey_arma> and im going to scrap my p3
22:19 <Monkey_arma> coz it has no agp
22:20 <flex> why did you go for a agp mobo..
22:20 <flex> you could of found the same price combo with a pci mobo
22:20 <flex> the one you ordered
22:22 <Monkey_arma> this match between oops and DS is an epic
22:22 <Monkey_arma> do you mean pci-e mobo?
22:22 <Monkey_arma> flex i am getting all this for ?50 or so
22:22 <Monkey_arma> with power supply, etc
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22:23 <flex> you sure it all still works..
22:23 <Monkey_arma> heh
22:23 <Monkey_arma> there is a warranty of about 6 months or so i think
22:23 <flex> oh it's new
22:23 <Monkey_arma> they have a good rep
22:23 <Monkey_arma> its not new
22:23 <flex> i thought you meant second hand
22:23 <Monkey_arma> its second hand
22:23 <Monkey_arma> i did
22:24 <flex> so they provide warranty on second hand..
22:24 <Monkey_arma> in fact it might be less than ?50
22:24 <Monkey_arma> its ?20 on its own for mobo and 2gig p4
22:24 <Monkey_arma> but less as a package etc
22:24 <Monkey_arma> thats good price flex
22:24 <Monkey_arma> with fan and heatsink included in price
22:25 <flex> yeah it's good
22:26 <Monkey_arma> and no p&p for that
22:28 <flex> epic Monkey_arma?
22:28 <flex> yeah right
22:28 <Monkey_arma> it is very close
22:29 <flex> that was quite pathetic there :p
22:31 <Monkey_arma> epsy wake up jupiter needs to join
22:32 <Monkey_arma> epsy get to DS and oops match now
22:35 <flex> where you live again Monkey_arma?
22:36 <Monkey_arma> the moon
22:37 <flex> which part
22:37 <Monkey_arma> in a ditch on the dark side
22:38 <flex> post code?
22:39 <Monkey_arma> moo n1
22:39 <epsy> Monkey_arma, i'm there
22:41 <Monkey_arma> cool it was a bit quiet here anyway
22:41 <Monkey_arma> i think we need a dedicated admin for each match
22:41  * epsy is twisted into 3 servers
22:41 <Lackadaisical> are there any results ready?
22:43 <epsy> no, gonna do that now
22:43 <Monkey_arma> yes
22:43 <Monkey_arma> oops just beat DS in a very hard fought match
22:43  * epsy wishes there was more ppl for this harsh job :-)
22:43 <Monkey_arma> epsy,  you are doing a very good job..we just some little alterations
22:45 <Monkey_arma> the score in the CT versus Zteam cannot be real surely???? its 86-0 to zteam
22:45 <Monkey_arma> it was a bug
22:46 <Lackadaisical> i dont see ct or ds in the brackets :S
22:46 <Lackadaisical> is this round two?
22:46 <flex> ct is wesk and ds is TSS
22:47 <flex> team soler syst0m
22:47 <flex> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/sb.php
22:47 <flex> check servers for more info
22:48 <flex> monkeh, tell me where you're frome :(
22:49 <Monkey_arma> its CT 1 - 0 Zteam
22:50 <epsy> #lastseen ashi
22:50 <armabot> epsy: °°AshitakA has last been seen on (°¤° Angel's FFF Server °¤°) 6 minutes ago.
22:52 <flex> so the question is:
22:52 <flex> are ladles longer or fff's?
22:52 <epsy> we'ill see that at the end
22:54 <Monkey_arma> i think more than 40 mins per match alsl
22:54 <Monkey_arma> also
22:55 <flex> for fff?
22:55 <Monkey_arma> yes
22:56 <flex> and what's the ladle times
22:56 <Monkey_arma> it takes about 20 mins for most of the clowns juust to turn up and get into the teams
22:56 <flex> it's because it's the first fff
22:56 <flex> alot of stuff to get right
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22:56 <Monkey_arma> its because people are lame
22:57 <flex> ok let's just consider a normal game no late starts
22:58 <flex> which takes longer do you think?
22:58 <flex> fff or ladle
23:01 <epsy> updated challenge board
23:01 <epsy> http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/?c=3
23:01 <Monkey_arma> its a tough one
23:02 <Monkey_arma> ladle is much higher scoring
23:02 <Monkey_arma> so i reckon a close fff match is longer
23:02  * Monkey_arma goes to fry some eggs
23:06 <flex> at this time
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23:07 <epsy> hey
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> hi
23:07 <epsy> we're still not at day 2 finals :-P
23:07 <flex> fff = fuck fo fo
23:07 <flex> lmao
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23:21 <Monkey_arma> Your_mom_arma, hi
23:24 <Monkey_arma> epsy, i also think that people who are constantly unreliable in tourneys should be banned
23:24 <epsy> lol!
23:24 <epsy> w00t for master server ban monkey?
23:26 <Monkey_arma> well there are a few players who need to be banned from next fff
23:26 <Lackadaisical> any chance for a reschedule of the finalfinal?
23:27 <Lackadaisical> epsy?
23:27 <Lackadaisical> both punk and raiden might not be able to play if it gets any later tonight
23:27 <epsy> talking about it in specchat
23:28 <Lackadaisical> i c
23:43 <Monkey_arma> its 84-80 in the 3rd match CT v Zteam :\
23:43 <Monkey_arma> so far
23:44 <Monkey_arma> 84 84 :\\
23:44 <epsy> on 10th round with few time remaining
23:44 <epsy> 86-84 for zteam
23:45 <Lackadaisical> who are the other people on z-team? cub, legit, zman and?
23:45 <epsy> ~ X ~
23:46 <epsy> and probably sage
23:46 <epsy> sage must be rice, look at his def
23:47 <Lackadaisical> oh i thought it was legits team.. but he doesnt play?
23:47 <Monkey_arma> 86 86
23:47 <Monkey_arma> he is zwoman
23:48 <Monkey_arma> gold won hah
23:48 <Monkey_arma> ct
23:54 <Lackadaisical> Your_mom_arma: the matches that were supposed to be played were delayed so much that the finalfinals are going to be held next week. Not sure if Durka is available, then, but thanks anyway for wanting to help out
23:54 <epsy> ct will win day 2 finals
23:54 <ct|kyle> i think so
23:55 <flex> why is it being delayed a whole week?
23:55 <Monkey_arma> because they still have not finished day 2 flex
23:55 <Monkey_arma> ct are playing ct now
23:55 <Monkey_arma> its about to start now
23:55 <flex> so it's clear that the FFF takes longer then the Ladle?
23:56 <epsy> haha
23:56 <ct|kyle> mind if i come in and watch
23:56  * epsy is ok with it
23:56 <Lackadaisical> well.. thats because fff has an extra round
23:56 <epsy> ask z-man
23:56 <Your_mom_arma> lacks np
23:56 <flex> epsy, in your face. i was right, you and hoax was wrong
23:56 <flex> you both suck
23:56 <flex> kkthxbye
23:57 <epsy> so, by decision of flex, we'll discontinue FFF
23:57 <epsy> :-)
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23:58 <flex> when did i make that decision up epsy..
23:59 <epsy> that was a joke flex
23:59 <flex> epsy, in your face. i was right, you and hoax was wrong

Log from 2008-03-31:
--- Day changed Mon Mar 31 2008
00:00 <flex> you both suck
00:00 <flex> kkthxbye
00:00 <flex> seeing as how you tried to divert my main point, i said it again ;)
00:00 <epsy> you already said that 3 mins ago
00:00 <epsy> :-D
00:00 <epsy> as sticky would say...
00:01 <flex> sticky don't say that.. he says "hay"
00:01 <epsy> "winning an argument is like winning paralympic games, even when you win one, you're still a retard"
00:01 <flex> anyway, is fff still going?
00:01 <epsy> yes
00:02 <flex> i knew i was right
00:02 <flex> you owe me something
00:02 <epsy> here, some ballz
00:03 <hoax> erm, wrong about what
00:03 <flex> go ahead, i knew you would say that
00:03 <hoax> who won btw?
00:03 <flex> so i've preplanned it
00:03 <flex> it's still going on hoax
00:04 <flex> started at 19:30
00:04 <hoax> legits team vs lacks?
00:04 <flex> and the finalfinals hasn't even started
00:04 <hoax> oh
00:04 <hoax> rofl
00:04 <flex> in your face
00:04 <flex> punkarse
00:04 <epsy> hoax, we're at CT vs CT xD
00:04 <hoax> you didnt understand mine & inf point anyways
00:04 <hoax> so im not going to argue
00:04 <flex> it was you and epsys point you cock
00:05 <hoax> what was that then
00:05 <flex> it was you and epsy argueing over it
00:05 <hoax> over what
00:05 <flex> can't remember
00:05 <hoax> LOL
00:05 <epsy> LOL
00:05 <hoax> stfu.
00:05 <hoax> moron
00:05 <flex> it's your point
00:06 <flex> you don't even know who else was with you so i'm the moron?
00:06 <hoax> you dont even know what the arguement was about etc
00:06 <hoax> i thought ur on about the time a 4v4 takes compared to 8v8
00:06 <flex> i know what the arguement was about.. you're the one trying to put it to another "point"
00:07 <hoax> that duscussion was with u men & inf
00:07 <hoax> me*
00:07 <flex> no it was on irc with epsy
00:08 <flex> "i thought ur on about the time a 4v4 takes compared to 8v8" so it's different times when 4teams play compared to just watching 1 match?
00:08 <flex> same fucking thing, it's still taken this long
00:08 <flex> i'm not even considering yesterdays games too
00:09 <hoax> so it's different times when 4teams play compared to just watching 1 match?
00:09 <hoax> what the hell does that mean
00:09 <epsy> you forget there's like 2× more matches to play
00:09 <flex> you're saying your point was that it's longer in a 8v8 rather then a 4v4.. so how is it different to ladle and this
00:10 <hoax> no i never concluded that
00:10 <hoax> this was time ago anyways...
00:10 <epsy> currently if we take same number of matches we would have ended up at the point we are now at the same time
00:11 <hoax> ah ye
00:11 <hoax> cusco
00:13 <Monkey_arma> i also dont like the 10 rounds rule..it means the suicide tactic works for a start
00:13 <Monkey_arma> games end up at about 85 + points so just get rid of 10 rounds rule
00:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: keeps = is currently?
00:14 <flex> epsy, not to forget, alot of these games ended with 2:0
00:14 <epsy> but not all
00:14 <flex> most wasn't even close matches unlike ladle
00:15 <epsy> no..
00:15 <flex> there's no score page :/
00:15 <Monkey_arma> flex...DS vs oops was close, zteam vs wsek was close....and more
00:15 <Monkey_arma> rt1 and x
00:16 <flex> no they beat us 2:0
00:16 <Monkey_arma> epsy yes put the scores up
00:16 <Monkey_arma> oh ye they battered you i forgot
00:16 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:16 <epsy> oops vs armaholics too
00:16 <epsy> i don't even have them..
00:16 <flex> don't count 2-0's please..
00:17 <flex> when you talk "currently" are you guessing day3? we can't be at the same point at the same time.. the semi finals was never at this time on the ladle..
00:18 <Monkey_arma> bangkok vs X was a close match
00:18 <Monkey_arma> .......................not
00:18 <Lackadaisical> i have screenshots from our matches if anyone needs them for the scores
00:18 <hoax> heh whats that timer error legits on about
00:19 <flex> gmt shit probably
00:19 <Lackadaisical> it said '1 minute left'  and then suddenly ' 5minutes left'
00:19 <hoax> so whos responsible for that
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00:30 <epsy> Lackadaisical, /join #arma.fff
00:30 <epsy> nm, heh
00:30 <Lackadaisical> oh :(
00:31 <epsy> i thought you were already in
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00:41 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: :o
00:41 <luke-jr> you're #15
00:41 <Lackadaisical> on what?
00:41 <luke-jr> http://ratings.armagetronad.net/
00:42 <luke-jr> #rating 0:Lackadaisical@forums
00:42 <armabot> luke-jr: 0:Lackadaisical@forums is 15th with a rating of 1702-1757 (from 1704-1755)
00:43 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
00:43 <armabot> luke-jr: timed out
00:43 <luke-jr> O.o
00:43 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
00:43 <armabot> luke-jr: timed out
00:43 <ct|kyle> #rating kyle@crazy-tronners.com
00:43 <armabot> ct|kyle: I don't know anything about 'kyle@crazy-tronners.com'!
00:45 <epsy> #ratings 0:epsy@x
00:45  * epsy probably sucked hard lately
00:45 <epsy> #ratings 0:epsy@fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff
00:46  * luke-jr peers at armabot
00:46 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
00:46 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 58th with a rating of 1659-1699 (from 1664-1695)
00:46 <epsy> #rating 0:epsy@x
00:46 <armabot> epsy: 0:epsy@x is 1319th with a rating of 1524-1551 (from 1529-1546)
00:46 <epsy> #rating 0:epsy@fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff
00:46 <armabot> epsy: 0:epsy@fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff is 1319th with a rating of 1524-1551 (from 1529-1546)
00:46 <epsy> hrhr
00:47 <ct|kyle> .aka ct_k13
00:47 <ct|kyle> .aka ct_ky13
00:47 <epsy> #aka 0:epsy@x
00:47 <armabot> epsy: ¿3832 |x|epsy2 |x|epsy 0:epsy@x 0:epsy@fff.armagetron.co.uk/staff
00:47 <ct|kyle> #aka ct_ky13
00:47 <armabot> ct|kyle: ¿17626 ~_k_~ ct_ky13
00:47 <epsy> heh
00:47 <ct|kyle> LOL
00:47 <epsy> i remember the screenshot
00:47 <ct|kyle> from alphabit night in wild west
00:47 <epsy> yea
00:50 <Monkey_arma> ady has turned it around for the armaholics
00:50 <Lackadaisical> are they still playing 3v4?
00:50 <epsy> no, 3v3
00:50 <epsy> woned seems to be around
00:51 <epsy> 90-62 for %
00:52 <epsy> 92 now ^^
00:52 <epsy> 1v1
00:52 <ct|kyle> 64 now^^
00:52 <epsy> it's like blue's waiting for timelimit
00:52 <Lackadaisical> is that the deciding match?
00:52 <epsy> yes
00:53 <ct|kyle> round 9
00:55 <epsy> Armaholics WIN!
00:56 <Monkey_arma> anyone for cafe?
00:56 <Monkey_arma> #tea
00:56 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
00:56 <z-man> I hope 2020's idea NEVER EVER gets reality
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00:57 <epsy> LOL!
00:57 <Monkey_arma> which one..he has lots of crazy one...
00:57 <Monkey_arma> if you mean 1 million people...yes
00:58 <z-man> the one million player thing
00:58 <Monkey_arma> heh ye
00:58 <Monkey_arma> 2020
00:58 <Monkey_arma> is
00:58 <Monkey_arma> a
00:58 <Monkey_arma> lilttle
00:58 <Monkey_arma> bit
00:58 <Monkey_arma> mad
00:58 <epsy> i really
00:58 <epsy> agree
00:58 <epsy> in what you are
00:58 <epsy> saying
00:58 <Monkey_arma> g
00:58 <Monkey_arma> o
00:58 <Monkey_arma> o
00:58 <Monkey_arma> d
00:58 <epsy> (
00:58 <Monkey_arma> concord does that style too
00:58 <epsy> well
00:58 <epsy> no
00:58 <epsy> )
00:59 <epsy> conconrd use an exageation of it lol
00:59 <epsy> he's just using newlines instead of spaces
00:59 <z-man> I'm no longer reading his posts at all.
00:59 <Monkey_arma> heh
00:59 <epsy> lol X_x
00:59 <Monkey_arma> i think it is better to have a smaller community than a large one that gets ruined anyway
01:03  * z-man tends to agree
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07:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it's not happening right now
07:19 <luke-jr> ok
07:20 <luke-jr> it was probably just when my router fried last night then
07:23 <wrtlprnft> ok
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15:35 <cusco> bling bling
15:36 <eddiefantastic> blong blong
15:53 <cusco> wa sup
16:16 <pippijn> hi
16:29 <pippijn> what font do you guys use for your terminal?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu.
16:44 <wrtlprnft> thanks for that question
16:46 <pippijn> thanks for the answer
16:46 <pippijn> →←↑↓ works great
16:46 <pippijn> I need to see what I type :-)
16:46 <pippijn> I am trying to write a durian module for the conway chained arrow notation
16:47 <pippijn> and I need →
16:47 <pippijn> later, I will need ↑↑ for knuth's up-arrow notation
16:49  * deja_vu grrs at wrtlprnft in a friendly way :P
16:52 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: ah, i read about that when trying to find out what G_64 was
16:55 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: → being non-commutative non-associative and not even sequentially applied makes implementing it a bit complicated
16:55 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I don't even fully understand it, yet
16:56 <pippijn> as far as I can tell, it has to be implemented using recursion
16:56 <pippijn> but durian is a pattern matching language and I don't know what to match and what to reduce the pattern to in order to make it useful
16:58 <pippijn> by defining a → b = a ^ b, it is applied sequentially
16:58 <pippijn> and things like 2 → (3 → 2) are evaluated to 512 correctly
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16:58 <pippijn> but 2 → 3 → 2 is not
16:58 <pippijn> it becomes (2 → 3) → 2 = 64
16:58 <pippijn> whereas it should be 16
16:59 <wrtlprnft> abuse == or something?
16:59 <pippijn> Whereas chains of other infixed symbols (e.g. 3+4+5+6+7) can often be considered in fragments (e.g. (3+4)+5+(6+7)) without a change of meaning (see associativity), or at least can be evaluated step by step in a prescribed order, e.g. 2^{3^4} from right to left, that is not so with Conway's arrow.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> it's applied right to left
16:59 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: this is not c++
16:59 <pippijn> besides
16:59 <pippijn> == would have the same problem
16:59 <pippijn> 2 == 3 == 2
17:00 <pippijn> that's (2 == 3) == 2
17:00 <pippijn> which is wrong
17:00 <pippijn> for →
17:00 <wrtlprnft> no, 2 == (3 == 2)
17:00 <pippijn> oh, right
17:00 <pippijn> still wrong :-)
17:00 <pippijn> it has to be 2 == 3 == 2
17:00 <wrtlprnft> no, sorry, it's wrong
17:00 <pippijn> and it is not associative
17:00 <wrtlprnft> += is right to left
17:00 <wrtlprnft> == is left to right
17:00 <pippijn> 2 == 3 == 2
17:00 <pippijn> (2 == 3) == 2
17:01 <pippijn> hm
17:01 <pippijn> whatever
17:01 <pippijn> the thing is
17:01 <wrtlprnft> so → is an n-nary operator for any n?
17:01 <pippijn> it's a chained operator..
17:01 <pippijn> it may be called an n-ary operator
17:01 <pippijn> but then you need n-1 operator symbols
17:02 <pippijn> hmm
17:02 <pippijn> <?
17:02 <pippijn> no
17:02 <pippijn> in C++, there are no chained operators
17:02 <pippijn> in rona, there are
17:03 <pippijn> but I am not doing it in rona
17:03 <pippijn> rona chained operators are not compatible with the idea of conway's arrow, though
17:03 <wrtlprnft> you could have an operator + that returns some template that stores all the previous arguments
17:08 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what is 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 2?
17:10 <wrtlprnft> no clue?
17:10 <pippijn> hm
17:11 <pippijn> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> (1 + 1)
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17:16  * pippijn has no idea :-\
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17:23 <wrtlprnft> A chain of length 4 or more has a value that is, generally, too large to comprehend.
17:23 <wrtlprnft> great.
17:24 <pippijn> yes
17:26 <hoax> haha i was telling monkey about the 1mil players shite, at least zmans not on it
17:26 <hoax> cusco u out in guilfd much?
17:35 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/09e786252989f8511647ba4b58e9dca2.txt
17:35 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: you mean something like that?
17:43 <pippijn> hmm
17:43 <pippijn> 3 -> 3 -> 2
17:43 <pippijn> = 3 -> (3 -> 2 -> 2) -> 1
17:44 <pippijn> = 3 -> (3 -> 2 -> 2)
17:44 <pippijn> = 3 -> (3 -> (3 -> 1 -> 2) -> 1)
17:44 <pippijn> = 3 -> (3 -> 3 -> 1)
17:44 <pippijn> is that right?
17:44 <pippijn> in that case, 3 -> 3 -> 2 would be equal to 3 ^ 3 ^ 3 and 3 ^ 27
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18:19 <cusco> hoax: ?!
18:19 <cusco> guilford?
18:20 <cusco> ah my IP... hehe
18:20 <cusco> dns hoax
18:20 <cusco> oops
18:25 <epsy> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/261316265/article.pl
18:26 <epsy> "According to Adobe, the alpha version lacks some key features that will be available in the final product"
18:26 <epsy> hahaha
18:27 <cusco> they are just interested in the bit that reads "joined linux foundation"
18:27 <epsy> :/
18:28 <hoax> heh yea i happened to see it, im in guilford sometimes :p
18:28 <cusco> probably they disabled the bits in theyr java program that did not execute properly on linux
18:29 <ct|kyle> epsy: FFF and Ladle have conflicting times now
18:29 <epsy> ladle 15 was never announced
18:30 <hoax> guildford spoons is like the best i been in lol
18:30 <ct|kyle> yes it was
18:30 <hoax> how do they clash? ladle is next weekend or smth?
18:30 <ct|kyle> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle/Challenge_Board
18:31 <hoax> ladle 15b only just got announced right
18:31 <ct|kyle> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18343
18:31 <epsy> Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:26 am
18:32 <epsy> that's 12 hours after we actually announced that finals will be delayed one week away :)
18:32 <hoax> too little notice since ladle is always the first sunday
18:32 <hoax> better make it the next month? or just change the date
18:32 <ct|kyle> last time they gave way too much notice
18:32 <epsy> i knew march was a bad month to start FFF
18:35 <ct|kyle> hopefully they can delay it to following CT's FFF win :D
18:36 <epsy> *armaholics
18:36 <epsy> :-DDDD
18:36 <ct|kyle> same diff
18:36 <hoax> so final is armahol vs random team 1 ?
18:36 <epsy> yep
18:36 <ct|kyle> yes
18:36 <hoax> did dorka play in the end or not
18:36 <epsy> well, no :P
18:36 <hoax> wow they won with your_mom ?
18:36 <hoax> xD
18:36 <epsy> ...
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18:37 <ct|kyle> my mom pwns
18:37 <epsy> we said we've delayed finals to next weel
18:37 <epsy> week
18:37 <hoax> oh shit yea
18:37 <hoax> LOL!
18:37 <epsy> Göacs -
18:37 <epsy> -.-
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18:38 <hoax> i gots confuzzled ;/
18:39 <ct|kyle> is there anything special i have to do to set up an authentication server (besides get the authentication branch and compile it)
18:40 <wrtlprnft> argh!
18:40 <wrtlprnft> don't get the authentication branch!
18:40 <ct|kyle> why not
18:40 <epsy> zmanuel, mind if we use my server(well, wrtl's) for the FFF finals instead of yours?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> it's been merged into 0.2.8 and is old
18:40 <ct|kyle> ok
18:40 <wrtlprnft> ./configure --enable-armathentication
18:40 <epsy> wow, it still exists? :D
18:41 <ct|kyle> ok
18:41 <zmanuel> epsy: no, of course not
18:41 <wrtlprnft> install zthread if you want auth to be instant
18:41 <epsy> zmanuel, ok
18:41 <wrtlprnft> and GLOBAL_ID 1
18:41 <wrtlprnft> *zthreads
18:41 <epsy> btw, i never got to successfully run the zthread test program
18:41 <wrtlprnft> epsy: svn branches are eternal AFAIK
18:42 <epsy> oh, now i see how come noone ever likes to do branching :þ
18:43 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that you don't usually merge into a branch as it's expensive
18:43 <wrtlprnft> so -auth doesn't profit from bugfixes in 0.2.8
18:44 <ct|kyle> #svn
18:44 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
18:45 <epsy> #vzr
18:45 <epsy> #bzr
18:45  * epsy slaps armabot 
18:46 <epsy> #alias add bzr echo bzr co lp:armagetronad (bzr >= 1.0)
18:46 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <wrtlprnft> co?
18:46 <wrtlprnft> i thought it was branch
18:46 <epsy> you can do checkouts too
18:46 <epsy> now, what is our policy regarding that, i don't know
18:47 <wrtlprnft> what's the diff?
18:47 <epsy> with checkouts revision numbers are parallel
18:48 <epsy> and it just works like svn or any other non-distributed VCS
18:48 <epsy> when you ci it effectively commits to the central branch, not to your own copy
18:48 <wrtlprnft> sounds convienient
18:49 <ct|kyle> so is that want i need to do?
18:49 <wrtlprnft> ct|kyle: just get a 0.2.8 checkout via svn or bzr
18:50 <wrtlprnft> and compile with --enable-armathentication
18:50 <ct|kyle> ok
18:50 <wrtlprnft> and read config/settings_authentication.cfg
18:50 <ct|kyle> ok
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20:09 <epsy> shouldn't ZONE_ALPHA_TOGGLE be a tConfItem?
20:15 <wrtlprnft> epsy: well, usually tConfItems have a corresponding menu item
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21:25 <epsy> what the...
21:25 <epsy> LOL
21:25 <epsy> nice fake serv :D
21:25 <joda_bot> epsy: ?
21:26 <epsy> nothin
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21:57 <K-Yo> why are pings negative on café? new feature?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> new lag prevention
22:00 <hoax> what's arma SVN
22:01 <hoax> a mp id install cba to get a new version tho
22:01 <hoax> map*
22:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man managed to enable time traveling
22:11 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: ;-)
22:11 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=46583#46583
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8394 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.cbp: Added tColor.cpp (I thought I already did that)
22:20 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Do u know who hosts the styball server right now ?
22:20 <joda_bot> is ed doing that ?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> i think sol is
22:21 <wrtlprnft> /join #crazy-tronners
22:21 <joda_bot> ok
22:21 <ct|kyle> joda_bot: sol is
22:21 <joda_bot> are there also some ppl who I can ask about the code changes in the crazy tronners hacktron stuff ?
22:22 <joda_bot> because I might need some infos since I'll have to merge the messy parts of ePlayer and eTeam soon ;)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic and voodoo are there regularily
22:25 <wrtlprnft> http://chaosradio.ccc.de/media/video/tron.mp4
22:25 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=195793#195793 <-- there's links to hacktron sources if you want them
22:26 <ct|kyle> http://crazy-tronners.com/wiki/index.php/Crazy_Tronners_Wiki <--- docs :D
22:27 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: he's already got them
22:27 <wrtlprnft> he's trying to merge in the latest changes in 0.2.8 and then make a bzr branch to facilitate further merging
22:27 <joda_bot> eddiefantastic: how out dated is the file armahacktron.zip I got from ... (got the link somewhere on the main crazytronners site)
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22:28 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: what svn rev?
22:28 <eddiefantastic> not sure. maybe some bugfixes.
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22:28 <ct|kyle> i think it is before respawn command
22:29 <joda_bot> eddiefantastic: one important thing I noticed is that you (?) implemented the different loggin mechanism and I'm not sure if u really need it with authentification in the server / client
22:29 <Compn> ok i'm at beta.armagetronad.net but cant find anything about this map patch build for bugfarm cubed ...
22:29 <eddiefantastic> the latest one certainly has changes
22:29 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/cube
22:29 <joda_bot> because most of the other information is also copied to ladderlog of z-man
22:29 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: yes, that is not needed now
22:29 <Compn> thx wrtl
22:30 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: I like the cube server btw, nice work :)
22:30 <wrtlprnft> it'll just make me more addicted to tron
22:31 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: there's a lot of features that are now in 0.2.8 branch as well
22:31 <wrtlprnft> some in a slightly different way
22:31 <eddiefantastic> GAME_TIME log messages, WAIT_FOR_EXTERNAL_SCRIPT, CYCLE_MAX_SPEED, etc
22:31 <joda_bot> eddiefantastic: how much work is it for u to adopt the scripts to use ladderlog (without IP address logged out etc. ?)
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22:31 <wrtlprnft> and it's CYCLE_SPEED_MAX!
22:31 <joda_bot> ah yes, that's a funny thing
22:32 <joda_bot> the CYCLE_SPEED_MAX ;)
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, CYCLE_SPEED_MIN existed for ages
22:32 <joda_bot> because CT comment says maximum speed in the comment and in the sty branch the comment is "minimum"
22:32 <wrtlprnft> ever tried a server with CYCLE_SPEED_MIN == CYCLE_SPEED == CYCLE_SPEED_MAX?
22:32 <joda_bot> and the handling seems strange and different
22:32 <joda_bot> in the styball branch
22:33 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: most of the heavy work on hacktron was done by voodoo
22:33 <eddiefantastic> wrtl here helped a lot
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i mostly tried to answer questions
22:33 <eddiefantastic> I can hack a few log messages is all
22:33 <wrtlprnft> SPAWN_ZONE has got some stuff from me, that's mostly it
22:34 <joda_bot> ok, let's narrow my question regarding max speed down, should the initial value be 0 or 10000
22:34 <joda_bot> I guess styball branch uses 0 and Hacktron has a value of 10000 but I might err and it's the otherway around
22:34 <joda_bot> pretty strange to me ;)
22:35 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: the reason we created a new log file was because a lot of the new things we added had no relation to the ladder, so they didn't belong there
22:35 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: 0.2.8 uses 0, so i suggest you use that
22:36 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: hm ok ... I'll have a look at those but not tonight
22:36 <joda_bot> good to know there are enough ppl I can ask questions ;)
22:37 <Compn> bleh the fonts were messed up in cubed ;\
22:37 <joda_bot> I'll try to collect some short diffs if I'm not sure what to do, and we can discuss that then
22:37 <eddiefantastic> joda_bot: good luck with it. There's a lot of mess in there ;)
22:37 <wrtlprnft> Compn: it's still buggy
22:38 <eddiefantastic> I'll help where I can. I at least know what most of the code does and why it is there.
22:39 <joda_bot> eddiefantastic: thx
22:39 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the cube patch does not allow bridges does it ?
22:39 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: who coded all those changes ?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> mostly z-man, of course. He's the only guy who knows the engine
22:40 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: have a look at the patch file…
22:41 <eddiefantastic> I liked the wheelies best
22:41 <joda_bot> oh damn, he coded a shadow casting engine ?
22:42 <eddiefantastic> bye for now
22:42 <joda_bot> cu eddiefantastic
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:42 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:45 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: it's not past 00:00 ... shame on u :-P
22:45 <joda_bot> nice one
22:47  * joda_bot downloads the cube windows installer --- brave joda
22:49 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: well, in some parts of the world it is
22:49  * wrtlprnft is really asleep now
22:49 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/complex.durian.in
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22:51 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/3b569b492b247aea004e9647789fc4df.txt <- this is the result of that program
23:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_bed: epsy: I tested the windows cubed version but it (perhaps intentionally) crashes when entering the cube server ;) ... long live to linux :-P
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23:45 <ender> wrtl you there?!?
23:45 <ender> anyone?
23:45 <Monkey_arma> they are in the test server
23:46 <ender> ah i know... my dl isnt working and im dieing to try it :O
23:46 <ender> it tries to log into the server then crashes AH!
23:52 <Monkey_arma> dl?
23:52 <Monkey_arma> download ? of waht?
23:55 <ender> the beta
23:55 <Monkey_arma> of.....
23:55 <ender> the 3d arma
23:55 <ender> cube
23:55 <Monkey_arma> ah ok now you are talking..they are in the cube server testing
23:55 <ender> yeps
23:56 <Monkey_arma> what is the difference with normal arma and cube?
23:56 <ender> it has different levels
23:56 <ender> it is really a 3d arma :D
23:56 <ender> beta.armagetronad.net/cube
23:56 <Monkey_arma> is the current arma not 3d?
23:56  * Monkey_arma thought it was
23:57 <ender> well not so much
23:57 <ender> i mean this version allows elevation changes
23:57 <Monkey_arma> oh no you mean like x-axis, y-axis z-axis?
23:57 <ender> yeh
23:57  * Monkey_arma quits tron for ever
23:58 <ender> hahahaha
23:58 <Monkey_arma> i thought crazy tronners was bad enough
23:58 <ender> yeh im curious but i cant check it out
23:58 <ender> frustrated
23:59 <Monkey_arma> i hope this doesnt ruin tron
23:59 <Monkey_arma> imagine the issue with glances in true 3d omg

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