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Log from 2008-01-19:
--- Day changed Sat Jan 19 2008
00:00 <Vanhayes> #aka slash
00:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¿6766 omega2 slash
00:01 <Vanhayes> #tea
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): ati-8-01-x86_64, freako, Player 1, Player 5, Polish n00b!, Vanhayes2, ~|DS|~G5, ¦×¦ earplugs
00:02 <Vanhayes> ##aka polish noob!
00:02 <Vanhayes> ##aka Polish n00b!
00:02 <Vanhayes> ##àaka Polish n00b!
00:02 <Vanhayes> #aka Polish n00b!
00:03 <Vanhayes> there we gp
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¿5739 santa_claus polish_noob!
00:03 <Vanhayes> #aka vanhayes2
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¿6969 vanhayes2
00:08 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: please stop trying to mess with it
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:09 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr: its called bug testing
00:09 <Vanhayes> ok I will stop messing with it, I will
00:09 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: no, it's called exploiting known and unfixable flaws
00:09 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:10 <luke-jr> well, temporily unfixable
00:10 <luke-jr> the fix won't be ready nor effective for months at least
00:10 <Vanhayes> me. I will stop it, me I wont do it any more, me, as in I
00:10 <luke-jr> …
00:10 <vinavil> vanhayes, can i rename myself now? is the test ended? they are calling me van
00:10 <Vanhayes> heh ya go ahead
00:11 <Vanhayes> i reccomend the name smile
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> when did #armagetron grow to nearly 30 users?
00:11 <Vanhayes> not sure
00:11 <luke-jr> vinavil: why are you listening to Vanhayes?
00:12 <Vanhayes> shits and giggles im guessing
00:12 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: when Lucifer left? :þ
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> boo
00:12 <luke-jr> lol
00:12 <Vanhayes> luci left, who is Lucifer_bed then
00:13 <luke-jr> Lucifer that forgot to leave I think
00:14 <Your_mom_arma> I see luci in other channels
00:16 <Vanhayes> bbl
00:16 <tramshed> o;ikuj;k
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00:21 <vinavil> luke-jr: why not
00:23 <luke-jr> wtf?
00:24 <vinavil> "I don't think that question makes sense"
00:24 <tramshed> I dont think this conversation makes sense anymore
00:25 <GodTodd> conversations cease to make sense whenever the left side of the screen contains *luke*
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00:26 <Your_mom_arma> hey ghab
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00:26 <GodTodd> haha
00:26  * Your_mom_arma hangs head in shame
00:26 <GodTodd> denied!
00:26 <GodTodd> :D
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
00:27 <tramshed> I havnt seen you play in a while your_mom
00:27 <tramshed> or did you stop playing the swampland servers?
00:28  * GodTodd notes sadly that a bunch of people that frequent this channel wouldn't even know what movie he just referenced because it was "before thier time" :/
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> im sorry tramshed, but do I know you?
00:29 <tramshed> im /dev/null
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> oh
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> swampland started to suck so I don't go there anymore. also I almost always play with random nicks
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> see aliases^
00:32 <luke-jr> random nicks ftl
00:34 <Your_mom_arma> random people I don't know asking me so many questions, that I can't play 1 round of arma with my normal nick ftl
00:35 <luke-jr> lol
00:35 <luke-jr> so pick a new nick and stick to it
00:36 <Your_mom_arma> I tried that... loose lips sink ships
00:36 <tramshed> lol
00:36 <tramshed> you try my server yet your_mom?
00:36 <tramshed> lag-free swampland
00:37 <tramshed> lol
00:37 <tramshed> just take the mantle of the Real Player 1
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01:35 <Program1> wrtl youre here?
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01:43 <luke-jr> Program1: who are you?
01:45 <Program1> oh stupid irc thing -.-
01:45 -!- Program1 is now known as freako
01:47 <freako> i wanted to ask wrtl, if he finds good enuf, that he can warn someone or sumthing
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02:06 <beta|AoS|> Frenchellent !
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02:10 <BillyBob3> #roulette
02:10 <armabot> BillyBob3: *click*
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02:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7547 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Added subcultures managed by one master server each.
02:37 <luke-jr> z-man: hey, just had a server lock up completely :x
02:37 <luke-jr> fyi
02:37 <luke-jr> http://pastebin.com/m760fa440 has a backtrace; anything I should do in gdb to help?
02:38 <luke-jr> seems to be a write() blocking somehow
02:39 <z-man> Are you running your  servers inside a script that parse their output?
02:39 <luke-jr> define parse
02:39 <luke-jr> actually, yes, this one was no matter what definition
02:40 <z-man> Doesn't matter :) As long as there is something that is supposed to accept the output.
02:40 <luke-jr> though it continued to hang after the script is gone
02:40 <z-man> Well, make an experiment: do
02:41 <z-man> armagetronad-dedicated | less
02:41 <z-man> and observe what happens when you don't press page down often enough.
02:41 <z-man> I don't know what is supposed to happen when you kill less, though.
02:42  * z-man was referring to the program less in the last sentence :)
02:43 <z-man> If you want to avoid the blocking in any case, put a buffering cat between the server and your script.
02:43  * z-man really starts to wish standard unix programs had better names.
02:43 <luke-jr> my script does nothing but throw it in a log and to another script ;)
02:44 <z-man> and the other script?
02:44 <z-man> The only way I know that output can block is if the receiver currently refuses further input.
02:45 <z-man> And no matter how long your processing pipe chain, if the last program stops receiving input, the whole chain freezes.
02:45 <luke-jr> the other script shouldn't block either, it just sends it to my server
02:45 <luke-jr> buffering when it can't connect
02:46 <luke-jr> actually, that last bit is wrong, it only buffers prior to reconnect attempts
02:47 <luke-jr> but either way, that script shouldn't be in that situation any time recently
02:48 <z-man> The only way I know that output can block is if the receiver currently refuses further input :)
02:48 <z-man> The bits of code in the callstack all have been there for ages and never made problems before.
02:49 <z-man> It could also be the input that is acutally blocking.
02:49 <luke-jr> yeah, no problems before for me either :|
02:49 <luke-jr> input is blocking write⁇
02:50 <z-man> yeah, input and output are linked, let me recall how :)
02:50 <z-man> I think it just means that whenever you read from stdin, stdout is automatically flushed.
02:50 <luke-jr> either way, input should never be blocked either :|
02:50 <luke-jr> that's C's buffer I think
02:50 <z-man> Well, it can block if I mess up my elimination sumo script.
02:50 <luke-jr> the stacktrace would be different
02:51 <z-man> everytime.cfg is including a named pipe there :)
02:51 <luke-jr> o
02:51 <luke-jr> interesting
02:51 <z-man> works fine as long as I keep feeding it.
02:51 <luke-jr> ☺
02:52 <z-man> did the server use 100% cpu when you stopped it?
02:52 <luke-jr> no
02:52 <luke-jr> hm, the scripts appear to have not died eithe
02:52 <luke-jr> ratings script is sitting in nanosleep, so it seems still sane
02:53 <luke-jr> KAD is blocking on a write, but I can't guess where to
02:53 <luke-jr> the only things KAD should be writing to that aren't files are arma's stdin and the ratings script
02:54 <luke-jr> #0  0x00baf36e in __write_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0
02:54 <z-man> Wait, KAD reads arma's stdout (indirectly) and writes to its stdin?
02:54 <luke-jr> wtf is pthread blocking for
02:54 <luke-jr> z-man: KAD reads arma's stdout and writes to its stdin
02:54 <luke-jr> different data, of course
02:55 <luke-jr> Arma stdout -> KAD -> (log, bot)
02:55 <luke-jr> (bot stdout, fifo) -> KAD -> Arma stdin
02:55 <spidey_> sounds like luci's wrapper
02:55 <z-man> Looks deadlock prone.
02:55 <luke-jr> z-man: all in a select loop
02:56 <luke-jr> oh
02:56 <luke-jr> you mean, if both sides try to send a lot of data at once?
02:56 <luke-jr> :\
02:57 <z-man> well, yeah, or if for just one second one is busy doing other things
02:57 <z-man> say arma currently takes no input
02:57 <z-man> KAD tries to give it some, can't, and blocks.
02:57 <z-man> KAD can't take input now.
02:57 <z-man> If the next thing arma tries is to send KAD some data, it will block, too.
02:57 <luke-jr> arma always takes input :o
02:57 <z-man> not while its output is blocking :)
02:57 <luke-jr> o
02:58 <luke-jr> hmm
02:58 <z-man> You need a very tolerant buffering cat in between.
02:58 <z-man> a program that always writes when the other end is ready to receive,
02:59 <z-man> and always reads when the other end is ready to write.
02:59 <luke-jr> yeah
02:59 <z-man> umm, of course, it is allowed not to write when there is no data :)
02:59 <luke-jr> heh
02:59 <z-man> I used such a program once as an intermediate step in video processing
02:59 <luke-jr> sounds like I should add that to KAD
03:00 <z-man> yeah
03:00 <luke-jr> now I see the use of select()'s ready-to-write…
03:00 <luke-jr> :þ
03:04 <z-man> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/pipebuf/
03:04 <z-man> that's the program I was using back then.
03:04 <luke-jr> wtf… apache won't reap zombies
03:05 <luke-jr> eww, two processes
03:05 <z-man> better than deadlocks :)
03:06 <z-man> but it looks like it is optimized for other purposes. You certainly want no empty buffer warning.
03:08 <luke-jr> ?
03:10 <luke-jr> :o
03:10 <luke-jr> the ratings server *was* dead
03:11 <luke-jr> ooooo, the ratings script's usleep was delaying a reconnect attempt >_<
03:11 <luke-jr> good thing it only affected ones I host, I guess
03:11 <luke-jr> (since others will be using a seperate tail -F)
03:12 <z-man> :)
03:14 <luke-jr> hm
03:14 <luke-jr> select() will let me know when one is ready for writing to.. but how can I determine how MUCH I can write? :|
03:15 <z-man> One byte?
03:18 <luke-jr> …
03:18 <luke-jr> heck, even that isn't guaranteed-- what if their read() times out before my write()?
03:19 <z-man> Well, the manpage explicitly says that if select gives you clearance, the write WILL NOT BLOCK
03:19 <z-man> I read that as "the buffer size does not matter"
03:20 <z-man> and "whatever you throw at it, the OS will store it in a buffer for later processing and return to you immedeately"
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03:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7548 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: Everyone gets a math library, even dedicated servers.
03:50 <ct|kyle> ahh servers can't do math
03:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7549 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tConfiguration.cpp tResourceManager.cpp): Moved RINCLUDE to a better home.
03:52 <z-man> time++; strangenessOfCommitMessages++;
03:53 <ct|kyle> i'm still looking for results menu
04:02 <z-man> what results?
04:03 <ct|kyle> when you press tab it shows results like points and stuff
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04:31 <luke-jr> a math library?
04:32 <luke-jr> why are we making such a major change in 0.2.8? :x
05:27 <luke-jr> odd
05:28 <ct|kyle> .aka luke-jr
05:28 <ct|kyle> #aka luke-jr
05:28 <armabot> ct|kyle: ¿8 praise_jesus luke-jr
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06:18 <luke-jr> O.o
06:18 <luke-jr> beta|AoS|: that you?
06:19 <beta|AoS|> Me what ?
06:19 <luke-jr> gnu/screen?
06:19 <luke-jr> and all those?
06:19 <beta|AoS|> Hm ?
06:19 <luke-jr> dunno, someone's using aka in private ;P
06:20 <beta|AoS|> I used the name "GNU/Screen yes"
06:20 <beta|AoS|> Not in private on #ct
06:20 <luke-jr> o
06:20 <luke-jr> #ct is empty
06:21 <beta|AoS|> I meant #crazt-tronners
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07:28 <luke-jr> omg teh interwebz are down
07:29  * luke-jr stabs bad BGP or whatever
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07:32 <Loor> Hello?
07:33 <Loor>  I'll  come back later
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08:44 <Program2> #rating freako
08:44 <armabot> Program2: freako is 141st with a rating of 1604-1638 (from 1535-1602)
08:45 <Program2> $rating freako
08:45 <Program2> #rating freako
08:45 <armabot> Program2: freako is 144th with a rating of 1603-1637 (from 1535-1602)
08:49 <Program2> #ratinf freako
08:49 <Program2> #rating freako
08:49 <armabot> Program2: freako is 151st with a rating of 1601-1635 (from 1535-1602)
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08:54 <Program2> #rating freako
08:54 <armabot> Program2: freako is 150th with a rating of 1602-1636 (from 1535-1602)
08:57 <Program2> #rating freako
08:57 <armabot> Program2: freako is 150th with a rating of 1602-1635 (from 1535-1602)
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09:13 <wrtlprnft> #later tell freako find what good enough?
09:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:24 <luke-jr> lol
09:35 <Vanhayes> civ anyone
10:05 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: perhaps
10:05 <luke-jr> but I just found out I'm not in the USA
10:06 <Vanhayes> are you part of that first nations split
10:06 <luke-jr> Lakota
10:06 <luke-jr> apparently includes Omaha
10:06 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: if enough people want to play, I'm in
10:07  * luke-jr brb: grabbing something to eat
10:07 <Vanhayes> spidey_, Lucifer_bed GodTodd anyone want to play
10:09 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: hachi is up on 5556
10:09 <Vanhayes> ok, ill join in a  min
10:14 <luke-jr> back
10:15 <luke-jr> I hope this Republic of Lakota doesn't turn out to be racist or anti-Christian
10:20 <Vanhayes> if it really breaks off into its own country what would the white americans living there be then
10:21 <luke-jr> if we renounce US citizenship, we can be citizens
10:21 <luke-jr> I emailed asking why I am required to do that ;)
10:21  * luke-jr notes he lives in the claimed territory
10:21 <Vanhayes> if not you have to leave?
10:21 <luke-jr> dunno
10:22 <luke-jr> not for now
10:22 <luke-jr> they said they won't be pursing liens against private property owners for now
10:22 <luke-jr> we rent, but the owner is not native
10:23 <luke-jr> we should definately check into dual citizenship before we buy tho
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10:33 <luke-jr> hi z-man
10:35 <z-man> morning, what did I do wrong this time? :)
10:36 <luke-jr> dunno
10:36 <luke-jr> greetings from the Republic of Lakota?
10:38 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: …
10:38 <spidey_> ?
10:38 <luke-jr> spidey_: ⁇
10:38 <Vanhayes> well if its just two of us, is not that fun, need at least 3
10:38 <luke-jr> spidey_:
10:38 <spidey_> ..
10:38 <spidey_> WHAT
10:39 <spidey_> WHAT WHAT WHAT?!
10:39 <luke-jr> Vanhayes:
10:39 <luke-jr> spidey_:
10:39 <Vanhayes> luke-jr,
10:39 <spidey_> i don't talk to illegal immegrants, go away
10:39 <Vanhayes> spidey_,
10:39 <spidey_> i don't talk to illegal immegrants, go away
10:39 <Vanhayes> im not an immegrant to the US
10:39 <spidey_> playing civ?
10:39 <spidey_> better restart
10:39 <spidey_> cause i'm coming :|
10:39 <luke-jr> haven't clicked ready yet
10:39 <Vanhayes> havnet started yet
10:40 <spidey_> see how cool i am, you waited for me
10:40 <Vanhayes> luke-jr, what version
10:40 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: I'm an exegrant?
10:40 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: 2.1 of course
10:40 <spidey_> do not
10:40 <spidey_> download 2.1.2
10:40 <spidey_> i HATE the client
10:40 <luke-jr> …
10:40 <luke-jr> try SDL spidey_
10:40 <Vanhayes> thats the one i just dl on this comp
10:40 <Vanhayes> so what version exactly?
10:41 <spidey_> i'm using gtk2
10:41 <luke-jr> 2.1
10:41 <luke-jr> fine
10:41 <spidey_> i'ma be the confederates
10:41 <spidey_> woot
10:41 <luke-jr> btw, I have it configured for size 2 + aifill 20
10:41 <luke-jr> change it if you want
10:41 <luke-jr> but don't whine if you don't change it
10:41 <spidey_> oh hell no
10:42 <Vanhayes> i suggest the sioux luke-jr
10:42 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: just did
10:42 <luke-jr> tho Sioux is an insult to the Lakota apparently :þ
10:42 <Vanhayes> ya, it is a generilation
10:43 <luke-jr> it's "snake"
10:43 <Vanhayes> well I guess that too
10:43 <luke-jr> :þ
10:43 <Vanhayes> but seeing as sioux can me 7 tribes
10:43 <luke-jr> so can Lakota
10:43 <luke-jr> the funny thing is, none of them support the new country
10:43 <luke-jr> :x
10:44 <Vanhayes> hmm, where is the page for this version?
10:45 <luke-jr> ⁇?
10:45 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you playing
10:46 <Vanhayes> ok, so what is the name and number again luke-jr?
10:46 <luke-jr> hachi.dashjr.org 5556
10:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7550 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nServerInfo.cpp nServerInfo.h): Servers that are no longer listed on the master servers are no longer shown. This should get rid of the huge list of unreachable servers people report sometimes.
10:53 <luke-jr> :o
10:53 <luke-jr> z-man: freeciv?
10:54 <z-man> nope, I don't play that.
10:54 <luke-jr> you can!
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10:57 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: civ survive?
10:57 <Vanhayes> ya, x-chat just ... didnt want to keep going
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11:19 <luke-jr> hi cusco
11:21 <Vanhayes> #ping
11:21 <armabot> pong
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11:23 <luke-jr> hi epsy
11:24 <epsy> hi
11:25 <Vanhayes> hello
11:25 <luke-jr> epsy: civ? :D
11:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7551 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Default comptetition subculture for everyone.
11:26 <epsy> luke-jr, lol no :P
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11:37 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
11:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 53 seconds old; - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (10/16), Free Race!!! (6/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), Fortress Café (6/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (4/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (3/10), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (3/10), G-Land (3/8), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (2/12), Come Get Some ;) (1/16), WILDCAT (1/8)
11:43 <Vanhayes> #tea
11:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): $(Hmu$e$(Hne(ke, <<WiR>>Raiden, Betu, CTT_rugkei, freako, SKID MARK
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11:46 <Vanhayes> #ping
11:46 <armabot> pong
11:46 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: ping
11:46 <Vanhayes> pong
11:56 <Vanhayes> bah, stupid laptop
11:59 <spidey_> luke-jr, wtf?
11:59 <spidey_> did you shut the server down?
11:59 <luke-jr> crashed
11:59 <spidey_> liar
11:59 <spidey_> you did it cause hayes gave me his cities :<
11:59 <luke-jr> save loaded
11:59 <luke-jr> he did?
11:59 <luke-jr> I wonder if that's what crashed it
11:59 <spidey_> um no
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12:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7552 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/NEWS: Updated.
12:27 <Vanhayes> #ping
12:27 <armabot> pong
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12:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7553 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (language/deutsch.txt src/tron/gServerFavorites.cpp): Minor corrections.
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12:49 <luke-jr> spidey_:
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12:53 <Vanhayes> <luke-jr> spidey_:
12:53 <spidey> Vanhayes,
12:53 <Vanhayes> spidey,
12:53 <spidey> Vanhayes,
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12:53 <Vanhayes> spidey,
12:53 <spidey> what
12:53 <Vanhayes> Fluffy,
12:53 <spidey> lol
12:53 <Vanhayes> whs wining in civ
12:54 <luke-jr> me
12:54 <spidey> balt
12:54 <Vanhayes> lies
12:54 <spidey> he has 94 points
12:54 <spidey> i have 90
12:54 <Vanhayes> ah ok
12:54 <luke-jr> I have 109
12:54 <spidey> you have 88
12:54 <spidey> nub
12:54 <luke-jr> pfft
12:55 <Vanhayes> hmm seems that that name bann on the old cvs test server came back and bit me in the ass
12:55 <spidey> name ban?
12:56 <spidey> cvs is back?
12:56 <spidey> o.o
12:56 <Vanhayes> how no one but me could use my name
12:56 <spidey> i pretty much lost intrest in arma after cvs went down
12:56 <spidey> xD
12:56 <Vanhayes> bugfarm elimination sumo is the old cvs
12:56 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: how'd you get that ban?
12:56 <Vanhayes> i think it is anyway, seeing as it wont let me use my name there with this ip
12:57 <Vanhayes> I asked for it when pimp used to use my name
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12:57 <Vanhayes> or something like that
12:57 <Vanhayes> it was a few years ago, so im alittle funzy
12:57 <Vanhayes> fuzy*
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13:03 <Vanhayes> anyways
13:03 <Vanhayes> #night
13:03 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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13:22 <loor> Hmm, this chatroom doesn't seem to be all that busy
13:24  * epsy searches an instant for that
13:24 <luke-jr> loor: capital L
13:25 <loor> Tried that, Luke-jr
13:25 <luke-jr> WFM
13:25 <epsy> lol!
13:25 <loor> Let me see...
13:26 <loor> >: ( I am sure i tried that
13:26 <loor> I really am.
13:26 <loor> Gosh, I'm sorry for the annoyance.
13:27 <luke-jr> :þ
13:27 <loor> :/
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Loor/race/racetowz-1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Loor
13:28 <loor> There we are.
13:28 <luke-jr> ☺
13:28 <luke-jr> good to have another IRCer too ☺
13:28 <loor> :)
13:29 <loor> Now,on another note, anyone know where i can find that Race to win zone script i know is there? It has eluded me
13:29 <luke-jr> err?
13:29 <luke-jr> what script?
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13:30 <luke-jr> …
13:30 <epsy> lol
13:30 <loor> ><
13:30 <luke-jr> so anyhow
13:30 <luke-jr> describe your script better
13:31 <loor> Sorry bout that. When you go wireless, you get problems
13:31 <loor> Oh, its not mine. I'm sure i saw a script for creating a map, and writing the everytime.cfg somewhere
13:33 <luke-jr> what kind of a map
13:33 <loor> A race to win zone
13:33 <loor> I'm sure i saw one on the forums a while back
13:33 <loor> But i can't seem to find it again.
13:34 <luke-jr>  …
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13:34 <luke-jr> like mazes?
13:34 <loor> Ack, not again
13:35 <loor> Yes, like mazes, but with obsticles, and death zones, and 1 win zone at the end
13:35 <luke-jr> hmm
13:35 <loor> Y'know, the old race to win zone server
13:35 <luke-jr> btw, plz don't submit autogenerated random maps ☺
13:36 <loor> Hmm? I havn't.
13:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Loor/race/racetowz-1.01.aamap.xml: Resource by Loor
13:39 <luke-jr> ok
13:39 <luke-jr> just telling you so you don't ☺
13:39 <loor> Hehe. Armabot knows what you are doing *looks around suspiciously*
13:39 <loor> Okay :)
13:42 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2855
13:43 <loor> Ahhh! Thank you! All i could find is voodoo's one. and that one doesn't seem to work.
13:43 <luke-jr> :þ
13:43 <luke-jr> next time search for maze generator script ;p
13:45 <luke-jr> btw, are you getting my PMs?
13:45 <loor> Yes
13:47 <loor> Time to go
13:47 <luke-jr> ☹
13:47 <loor> Goodnight
13:47 <luke-jr> but
13:48 <loor> ?
13:48 <luke-jr> /join #armalukechat
13:48 <luke-jr> ☺
13:48 <loor> Right now? I really don't have much time.
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14:02 <spidey> #ping
14:02 <armabot> pong
14:02 <spidey> luke-jr, why's the server at 00s
14:03 <spidey> oh
14:03 <spidey> lag
14:07 <luke-jr> u
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14:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7554 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): separated language strings of subculture menu from those of the server favorites.
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16:16 <z-man> luke-jr: what is the status on that XMPP stuff?
16:16  * z-man is experimenting with the plain krawall stuff
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19:19 <libervisco> epsy, goodkoen and free-zombie have a match on 19h GMT
19:21 <epsy> what about me, libervisco ?
19:21 <libervisco> Well I said epsy, goodkoen and free-zombie :)
19:21 <libervisco> all three of you :)
19:22 <epsy> oh
19:22 <epsy> i read "epsy: goodkoen and .. »
19:22 <epsy> lol :)
19:22 <libervisco> yeah :D
19:22 <epsy> so it's in hanf an hour?
19:23 <epsy> *half
19:26 <libervisco> yeah
19:29 <guru3> yeah... i'm pretty sure that in the last year or three
19:29 <guru3> the overall quality of gameplay
19:29 <guru3> has gone down a bit
19:31 <libervisco> Ok koen is coming :)
19:31 <libervisco> epsy, so this time we have a match, even if zombie doesn't show up :)
19:31  * guru3 waves to libervisco 
19:31 <libervisco> Hi guru3 :)
19:32 <guru3> tournament going well?
19:32 <libervisco> Well it could be better, but all in all, it's going ok
19:32 <epsy> libervisco, btw, what happened to group 2 ?
19:32 <libervisco> It's excellent as a learning experience and material building thing for the next one
19:32 <libervisco> epsy, same thing, zion didn't show up, rescheduled for tomorrow 19h
19:33 <guru3> The one time I tried to do a tournament was madness.
19:33 <guru3> It was just impossible to coordinate across the timezones.
19:33 <epsy> heh
19:33 <guru3> I imagine you'll have more success than I did as it seems you've actually got rules.
19:33 <libervisco> hehe
19:33 <guru3> (Both game and tournament- an important point.)
19:34 <guru3> That was years and years ago though.
19:34 <libervisco> yeah.. but I know now some things could've been done better, mostly with sign ups and scheduling
19:35 <guru3> Well, I hope Armagetron will have the benefit of that another time.
19:35 <libervisco> I was too open.. actually letting them schedule instead of just having a systematic way of seeing general availabilities and then doing strict schedules.. who doesn't show up is out and that's it..
19:35 <libervisco> yeah
19:35 <libervisco> Actually I think AA may go a bit smoother than some others :)
19:36 <guru3> xD
19:36 <epsy> shall i ask why?
19:37 <guru3> Being firm is absolutely essential and at the same time is one of the hardest things to do.
19:37 <guru3> Especially with a smaller more fragile community as I had the first time around.
19:38 <libervisco> yeah
19:39 <libervisco> epsy, well, for one it started latest so there was time to already apply some learned things.. also you seem to have some experience with tournaments and said that 19h weekends are good, which already gives a good candidate time for matches
19:40 <libervisco> and also matches are all in one for qualifications, not each match between different people
19:40 <libervisco> so basically less people to hunt for :)
19:40 <epsy> heh
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19:41 <guru3> Time for dinner now, I'll catch ya later libervisco.
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19:42 <libervisco> sure guru3, cya
19:45 <vinavil> luke-jr_: I do not understand why you keep hosting arma resources in such a slow site. why cannot they be in armagetronad.net space? is there a reason the beta part is hosted where it is?
19:47 <mkzelda> lol
19:59 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: the site itself doesn't appear to be *totally* slow… I just keep getting a huge delay for the first request, subsequent ones are reasonably fast
19:59 <wrtlprnft> i think it tries to reverse DNS query me or something and caches the result
20:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/fortress/sumo-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by rain
20:00 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: every page takes 5 minutes to load here. as you can see upload that map took 15 minutes.
20:03 <vinavil> i just do not understand the reason why it is there. why isn't it in main armagetronad.net host?
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20:18 <libervisco> hmm..
20:18 <libervisco> epsy, that first one was too short :)
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20:22 <epsy> libervisco, lol
20:24 <libervisco> epsy, #gamefest (cause free-zombie is there) :)
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21:02 <epsy> i hope rain edited the right file
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21:44 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil for one thing it's a good thing to not rely on a single host
21:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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22:23 <luke-jr_> #later tell vinavil z-man was going to take over hosting those at one point, but it never happened; now the main site is on Dreamhost, which has had issues also, but guru3 was checking into if they could support things like map uploads; since the beta site is in theory for beta stuff, anything long-term should be moved off it to the main site anyway; and finally, there is no reason why my server should take 15 minutes ☺
22:23 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
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23:14 <wrtlprnft> so we finally _have_ authentification
23:15 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i think we'ill need an admin
23:15 <epsy> not quite sure yet
23:15 <epsy> (speaks about café)
23:22 <beta|AoS|> Why do we need an admin ? Anarchy ftw ! :p
23:23 <guru3> First came the admin, then came the server usually.
23:23 <guru3> Without admins -> no servers, and then nothing to do.
23:28 <guru3> Would it be possible to have a floor that's a color gradient
23:28 <guru3> ?
23:28 <beta|AoS|> Yeah but we are talking about "in game admin", not sysadmin.
23:28 <beta|AoS|> afaik
23:37 <wrtlprnft> guru3: you mean a grid floor?
23:37 <guru3> yeah
23:38 <wrtlprnft> definitely. make a 2×2px PNG image with your “gradient” and use that as a floor
23:38 <guru3> you have a blue floor and people with blue walls i have trouble seeing
23:38 <wrtlprnft> but scale it up with GRID_SIZE
23:38 <guru3> green floor i can't see the green walls
23:38 <guru3> so i want a technicolor floor
23:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: for what? for how long? are you talking about z-man's new stuff?
23:40 <epsy> wrtlprnft, nvm
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23:41 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:41 <armabot> pong
23:41 <wrtlprnft> #serverscores ess caf
23:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Team gold (74): ¦×¦ epsy (16), Guy (6), ¦×¦ earplugs (6); Team blue (30): Crash-Test (6), 3 fps (4), Dac (0)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> go gold!
23:41 <wrtlprnft> go epsy!
23:41 <epsy> :d
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23:53 <epsy> wrtlprnft, btw
23:53 <epsy> what about this auth stuff ?
23:58 <epsy> already reading forums nvm :P

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