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00:04 <beta|AoS|> #ss crazy
00:05 <armabot> beta|AoS|: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Blue BrainEaters (96): moth (24), CTT_emmy (4), 3 fps (2), Aion (2), ¦×¦ earplugs (0); Gold FleshBiters (62): evälÐúsiå (20), <<WiR>>Raiden (6), (null) (2), DeathPenalty (2), PUPP3T (0), \.B.\ Berr (0)
00:06 <wrtlprnft> gee, i hate compiling stuff on windows
00:06 <wrtlprnft> it feels like programming for my calculator
00:07 <wrtlprnft> totally stupid and quirky
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01:28 <zmanuel> wrtlprnft: MACS ARE WORSE.
01:28 <zmanuel> Unless you happen to program in objective C, of ocurse.
01:29 <zmanuel> These universal binaries are great for the user, but a pain to create.
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03:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: say what?
03:41 <luke-jr_> # adds an admin account
03:41 <luke-jr_>  MD5_PASSWORD_ADMIN <user> <password>
03:41 <luke-jr_>  
03:41 <luke-jr_>  # adds an user account
03:41 <luke-jr_>  MD5_PASSWORD_ADMIN <user> <password>
03:41 <luke-jr_> same cmd?
03:45 <luke-jr_> #later tell z-man BTW/FYI, the XMPP stuff can even become the key stuff gradually-- we are allowed to store arbitrary data on the XMPP server, including private keys and such
03:45 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
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05:07 <luke-jr> #later tell wrtlprnft "#alias add g "google calc @1""
05:07 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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09:03 <wrtlprnft> g 1+1
09:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: google calc doesn't work anymore :-(
09:03 <luke-jr> #google cacl 1+1
09:04 <armabot> luke-jr: Search took 0.21 seconds: (IUCr) The structure of the cytosine- calcium chloride ( 1 : 1 ...: <http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S056774088000725X>; Critical Evaluation of the Thermodynamic Properties of Aqueous ...: <http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jceaax/1997/42/i05/abs/je9700582.html>; Method of producing high density calcium chloride 1 /3 hydrate ...: (3 more messages)
09:04 <luke-jr> #google calc 1+1
09:04 <armabot> luke-jr: 1 + 1 = 2
09:05 <wrtlprnft> wow
09:05 <wrtlprnft> it actually fixed itself?
09:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g google calc
09:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Alias "g" is locked.
09:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias unlock g
09:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:05 <luke-jr> apparently
09:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias unlock g
09:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g google calc
09:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias lock g
09:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:06 <luke-jr> #g 1+3
09:06 <armabot> luke-jr: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
09:06 <luke-jr> @1
09:06 <wrtlprnft> should be the default…
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g google calc $*
09:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Alias "g" is locked.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> grr
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #alias unlock g
09:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g google calc $*
09:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #alias lock g
09:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:06 <luke-jr> #g 1+ 3
09:06 <armabot> luke-jr: 1 + 3 = 4
09:06 <luke-jr> yay
09:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 100 V * 2 days / 2 yards / 12 nm
09:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (((100 V) * (2 days)) / (2 yards)) / (12 nm) = 7.87401575 * 10^(14) tesla
09:07 <wrtlprnft> totally useless result, of course
09:07 <wrtlprnft> but that's the great thing about google calc
09:08 <luke-jr> ;lol
09:08 <luke-jr> it can't do base conversion ☹
09:10 <wrtlprnft> it probably can
09:11 <wrtlprnft> noone knows how is all
09:11 <wrtlprnft> #g 42 in hex
09:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 42 = 0x2A
09:12 <wrtlprnft> #g 101010b + 5
09:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
09:13 <wrtlprnft> #g 0b101010 in dec
09:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:14 <wrtlprnft> #g 42 in binary
09:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 42 = 0b101010
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09:14 <wrtlprnft> #g 0b101010 / 42
09:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0b101010 / 42 = 0b1
09:14 <wrtlprnft> #g 0b101010 in decimal
09:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0b101010 = 42
09:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what are you missing?
09:15 <wrtlprnft> arbitrary bases?
09:15 <luke-jr> base 42
09:15 <luke-jr> ☺
09:15 <wrtlprnft> use #math base for that
09:15 <luke-jr> #math base
09:15 <armabot> luke-jr: (math base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
09:15 <luke-jr> #math base 8 42 666
09:15 <armabot> luke-jr: (math base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
09:15 <luke-jr> suuure
09:15 <wrtlprnft> #math base 8 36 666
09:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: C6
09:16 <wrtlprnft> keep your base below 37
09:16 <luke-jr> no
09:16 <luke-jr> I want base 42
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09:41 <luke-jr> #rating /dev/null
09:41 <armabot> luke-jr: /dev/null is 875th with a rating of 1491-1525 (from 1495-1521)
09:41 <luke-jr> #rating2 /dev/null swampland_hate
09:41 <armabot> luke-jr: /dev/null is 66th with a rating of 1556-1599 (from 1559-1597) on swampland_hate
09:42 <flex> #rating flex
09:42 <armabot> flex: flex is 685th with a rating of 1510-1553 (from 1513-1550)
09:43 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
09:43 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 464th with a rating of 1537-1573 (from 1541-1569)
09:43 <flex> whats the servers again
09:44 <luke-jr> aos_ctf AoS Capture the Flag
09:44 <luke-jr> aos_crazy       AoS Capture the Flag (Crazy Mode)
09:44 <luke-jr> ctwf    Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress
09:44 <luke-jr> eclipsed        Eclipse'd.EC    d
09:44 <luke-jr> cafe    Fortress Cafe
09:44 <luke-jr> gz      GreenZone
09:45 <luke-jr> swampland_028   Swampland in 0.2.8
09:45 <luke-jr> swampland_hate  Swampland of Hate
09:45 <luke-jr> ww_ctf  Wild West (Capture the Flag)
09:45 <luke-jr> ww_misc Wild West (Misc)
09:45 <luke-jr> ww_sumo Wild West (Sumo)
09:45 <luke-jr> ww_wildfort     Wild West (Wild Fortress)
09:45 <luke-jr> xzl     ~"XzL
09:45 <luke-jr> ok stfu ty
09:45 <flex> #rating |x|_Durka
09:45 <armabot> flex: |x|_durka is 762nd with a rating of 1501-1565 (from 1503-1563)
09:45 <luke-jr> flex pwns durka!
09:45 <luke-jr> actually
09:45 <luke-jr> Durka has higher potential
09:45 <luke-jr> 1565 > 1553
09:46 <flex> what does that mean..
09:46 <luke-jr> it means you're ranked higher mainly because your rating is more accurate ☺
09:46 <luke-jr> and it's conceivable that Durka may be better
09:47 <flex> i don't really actually think people above me are better :p
09:47 <flex> maybe afew of them :p
09:47 <luke-jr> then prove it
09:47 <flex> well can i actually now?
09:48 <luke-jr> …
09:48 <luke-jr> dunno
09:48 <luke-jr> #lastseen people-above-flex
09:49  * luke-jr ponders automating that query
09:49 <armabot> luke-jr: timed out
09:49 <flex> lol
09:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
09:51  * luke-jr ponders using wrtlprnft's protocol research to force participating in ratings on unsuspecting servers >☺
09:51 <flex> #lastseen flex
09:51 <armabot> flex: /Flextreme\ has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 3 hours 22 minutes ago.
09:51 <luke-jr> lol
09:51 <flex> woot
09:51 <flex> i was never there
09:51 <luke-jr> #rating /Flextreme\
09:51 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about '/flextreme\'!
09:51 <flex> oh flextream
09:52 <flex> #aka flex
09:52 <armabot> flex: ¿215 flex kinky4u hoax_>_fle hoax_>_flex_l>
09:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7555 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (games-strategy/ overlay-armagetron/): remove dead junk
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7556 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files): sdl-mixer dep
09:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7557 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (3 files): sdl-mixer dep
10:00 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: any simple way to get a list of online players? ☺
10:06 <flex> yes luke
10:06 <flex> server  browser :p
10:08 <luke-jr> …
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10:11 <guru3> fucking hell
10:11 <guru3> my ping on this server just keeps going up and up
10:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: either use my xml feed
10:15 <wrtlprnft> which is the preferred way because it doesn't bother the actual servers
10:15 <wrtlprnft> or use my php script thing
10:16 <wrtlprnft> or do something like
10:16 <wrtlprnft> $servers = getMasterInfo('master3.armagetronad.net');
10:16 <wrtlprnft> foreach ($serverinfo as $i) {
10:16 <wrtlprnft> 	$si = new serverinfo($i['host'], $i['port']);
10:16 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so PHP or XML eh?
10:16  * luke-jr ponders
10:16 <wrtlprnft> 	foreach($si->players as $player) {
10:17 <wrtlprnft> //blah
10:17 <wrtlprnft> }}
10:17 <wrtlprnft> well, you should *love* xml
10:17 <wrtlprnft> and it should please you that i have an XML feed that even has a DTD
10:18 <wrtlprnft> #serverscores durka
10:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: - [ Nano's Playground | Durka Durka Nano Land ] -: No online players
10:18 <wrtlprnft> #serverscores d u r k a
10:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | -: PLAYERS (13): Fasol (2), .dBd|lemon (1), Dancer (1), Jickael Mackson (1), PIMP!! (1), Purple 1/2 (1), mark (1), Bobby (0), DADDE0 (0), DaBeste (0), FrankenLoin (0), Shaw (0), The Kingzor (0)
10:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why should I love XML?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> because you love XMPP?
10:20 <luke-jr> :þ
10:20 <wrtlprnft> because god is telling me right now that XML rocks?
10:20 <luke-jr> yeah, but Perl needs modules for XML ☺
10:21 <luke-jr> hmm
10:21 <luke-jr> I have streams that include PLAYER_ENTERED and PLAYER_LEFT…
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10:32 <MrBougo> luke-jr: code the modules then
10:32 <luke-jr> MrBougo: ?⁈
10:32 <MrBougo> the xml modules
10:32 <MrBougo> "code it, then"
10:32 <MrBougo> that's what nexuiz devs say :p
10:36 <luke-jr> …
10:36 <luke-jr> they already exist
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10:40 <MrBougo> < luke-jr> yeah, but Perl needs modules for XML ☺
10:40 <MrBougo> hur?
10:40 <luke-jr> exactly
10:40 <MrBougo> it needs, or it doesnt
10:40 <MrBougo> but not both
10:42 <luke-jr> it needs
10:42 <luke-jr> they exist
10:42 <MrBougo> oh ok, argh
10:43 <MrBougo> sorry for wasting your time :p
10:52 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: you have to search for a non-trivial language without xml support these days
11:02 <flex> #rating flex
11:02 <armabot> flex: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  fsockopen() [<a href='function.fsockopen'>function.fsockopen</a>]: unable to connect to stats.aa.dashjr.org:9999 (Connection refused) in <b>/home/armastats-srv/public_html/api-pre.php</b> on line <b>5</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  fwrite(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in <b>/home/armastats-srv/public_html/rating.php</b> on line <b>5</b><br (2 more messages)
11:17 <luke-jr> sry flex
11:17 <luke-jr> I was adding a new feature
11:17 <luke-jr> but it doesn't want to work
11:17 <luke-jr> so I reverted just now
11:17 <luke-jr> #rating flex
11:17 <armabot> luke-jr: flex is 696th with a rating of 1508-1555 (from 1510-1553)
11:19 <flex> aw
11:24 <wrtlprnft> #rating wrtltest1
11:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtltest1 is 4863rd with a rating of 1150-1850
11:24 <wrtlprnft> #rating wrtltest2
11:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtltest2 is 4863rd with a rating of 1150-1850
11:24 <wrtlprnft> looks like they suck now
11:29 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: they're default cuz I deleted them
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11:56 <luke-jr> wb loor
11:56 <luke-jr> #rating loor
11:56 <armabot> luke-jr: loor is 2829th with a rating of 1333-1562
11:56 <luke-jr> hm
11:56 <luke-jr> you suck
11:56 <luke-jr> XD
11:56 <loor> :O
11:56 <loor> I havn't been trying yet.
11:56 <loor> What servers does it rate on again?
11:57 <luke-jr> a lot
11:57 <luke-jr> ☺
11:57 <loor> Hmm
11:58 <loor> #rating luke-jr
11:58 <armabot> loor: luke-jr is 477th with a rating of 1534-1575 (from 1537-1573)
11:58 <loor> :/
11:58 <luke-jr> :\
11:58 <luke-jr> I was in the top 400 a few days ago
11:59 <luke-jr> then freako went after me
11:59 <luke-jr> ☹
11:59 <loor> :P
12:00 <loor> Hmm, but what servers does it rate on?
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12:06 <luke-jr> loor: a bunch
12:06 <loor> Like what ones?
12:06 <loor> There is over 100
12:13 <luke-jr> is there?
12:13 <luke-jr> I count 61
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12:15 <luke-jr> so about ¼th of them I guess
12:15 <luke-jr> maybe 1/5th
12:16 <luke-jr> so bug your fav servers to participate XD
12:16 <luke-jr> #lastseen loor
12:16 <armabot> luke-jr: Loor has last been seen on Nano's Playground >> Fertilization Mode! 58 minutes ago.
12:16 <luke-jr> that one does not participate, I think
12:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: any reason why there isn't a list of participating systems?
12:16 <loor> How about Durka Durka land?
12:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it's just not setup for that atm
12:17 <luke-jr> loor: I don't think so; ask Angel
12:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: right now, there is no system-to-server mapping
12:17 <loor> Hmm, okay.
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12:17 <loor> Can you at lease give me one that participates?
12:17 <wrtlprnft> #ss ess caf
12:17 <wrtlprnft> that one does :)
12:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Team blue (22): ¦×¦ Infamous (10), LP|CountChocula (0); Team gold (4): Knus (4), flex (0)
12:18 <loor> Ahh, that one is fun.
12:18 <loor> Personally, i think aussie ping makes fortress hard though :/
12:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, a list of systems and IPs, then
12:20 <luke-jr> O.o
12:20 <luke-jr> I pasted a hacked up system list in here earlier ☺
12:21 <luke-jr> AoS Capture the Flag (aos_ctf),  AoS Capture the Flag (Crazy Mode) (aos_crazy),  Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (ctwf),  Eclipse'd.EC|d (eclipsed),  Fortress Cafe (cafe),  GreenZone (gz),  Swampland in 0.2.8 (swampland_028),  Swampland of Hate (swampland_hate),  Wild West (Capture the Flag) (ww_ctf),  Wild West (Misc) (ww_misc),  Wild West (Sumo) (ww_sumo),  Wild West (Wild Fortress) (ww_wildfort),  ~"XzL (xzl)
12:21 <luke-jr> some of those represent multiple servers
12:24 <flex> #rating flex
12:24 <armabot> flex: flex is 751st with a rating of 1501-1548 (from 1510-1553)
12:24 <flex> lal
12:26 <flex> #rating |x|_infamous
12:27 <armabot> flex: |x|_infamous is 22nd with a rating of 1670-1727 (from 1644-1700)
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12:29 <Program1> #rating knus
12:29 <armabot> Program1: knus is 424th with a rating of 1542-1598 (from 1552-1605)
12:29 <luke-jr> O.o
12:29 <luke-jr> #aka knus
12:29 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿4593 knus
12:29 <luke-jr> Program1: who are you? O.o
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12:51 <flex> he's knus
12:52 <flex> anyway
12:52 <flex> is the server browser dead or something :p
12:54 <luke-jr> ⁇?
13:07 <Program1> hey luke, were can i get the rating outside this irc or is that impissoble?
13:07 <Program1> impossible*
13:10 <luke-jr> #rating2-test knus
13:10 <armabot> luke-jr: (rating2test <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo web fetch [format concat [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&system=[urlquote $2]][format concat &name=[urlquote $1]]] .".
13:10 <luke-jr> #rating2-test knus cafe
13:10 <armabot> web fetch http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&system=cafe&name=knus .
13:10 <luke-jr> like that
13:10 <luke-jr> or do you want something programmic?
13:11 <luke-jr> if programmic, see the ratings script and use the commands raw_rating, read_rating, or rank_rating
13:11 <flex> he's talking about web based, so he doesn't have to come on irc to get a rating list of himself
13:11 <flex> I think?
13:11 <Program1> yep,
13:11 <luke-jr> so then see the link
13:12 <luke-jr> http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?name=knus
13:12 <luke-jr> though
13:12 <Program1> the irc makes my arma lag hard, so i dont want to log in to often
13:12 <luke-jr> I think we'd all rather you stick around on IRC :þ
13:12 <luke-jr> minimize it when you play?
13:12 <flex> luke, is there an input on the page
13:12 <luke-jr> flex: no
13:12 <luke-jr> it's designed for armabot :þ
13:12 <flex> useful to have one? :p
13:13 <luke-jr> want to write it?
13:13 <Program1> wouldnt it be nicer if we had it as webpage then?
13:13 <flex> urm fine
13:13 <flex> will you use it?
13:13 <Program1> me?
13:13 <flex> no luke
13:13 <luke-jr> http://pastebin.com/m2f631f54
13:14 <luke-jr> if it works well :þ
13:14 <luke-jr> there's rating.php
13:15 <flex> can i redesign the whole look? :p
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13:15 <luke-jr> flex: not guaranteeing I'll use it
13:17 <flex> ok well then just add a search feature at the bottom of the page with "player name here:x" hotlinking to http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?&name=playername
13:17 <Program1> would be nice
13:20 <luke-jr> Program1: btw
13:20 <luke-jr> IRC wouldn't be slow if you used a real program
13:20 <luke-jr> instead of a webpage
13:21 <Program1> I know, when im on linux i use a real program, im just to lazy to get one for windows :)
13:22 <luke-jr> Arma works much better on Linux too
13:22 <Program1> I know. much more fps/stable but i get lower ping in windows
13:23 <luke-jr> turn off iptables?
13:24 <flex> it does luke?
13:24 <flex> i thought it didnt due to bad drivers
13:24 <flex> or was that only for ati
13:24 <luke-jr> only for nVidia
13:24 <Program1> nah. ill keep windows for gaming, and I just use linux for building, my windoes building enviroment just doesnt wants to work
13:25 <luke-jr> Windoze sux
13:25 <Program1> but its good with gaming still
13:25 <luke-jr> nope
13:25 <flex> you mean that driver issue is only with nvidia?
13:25 <flex> or it works only on nvidia?
13:25 <Program1> i have an Nvidia whats my prob or non prob?
13:26 <luke-jr> I mean nVidia is 2D only ☺
13:28 <flex> what distro do you use luke?
13:28 <luke-jr> Gentoo
13:28 <luke-jr> and Debian on servers
13:30 <flex> gentoo looks alot like windows and is quite ugly :p
13:30 <flex> why use it?
13:31 <luke-jr> wtf are you talking about flex
13:31 <luke-jr> Gentoo doesn't look like anything
13:31 <g5vc> gentoo r0x
13:31 <g5vc> :)
13:31 <flex> http://www.icewalkers.com/scrshot/1548/
13:31 <g5vc> with e17 oh yea!
13:31 <g5vc> this is gay kde
13:31 <luke-jr> flex: what makes you think that's Gentoo?
13:32 <flex> lol the part "Gentoo Linux - Screenshot"
13:32 <luke-jr> that's someone's KDE install customized to look like windoze
13:32 <flex> ah right
13:32 <flex> can you give me a proper ss
13:32 <g5vc> you dont need to use kde..
13:32 <luke-jr> a ss of Gentoo or KDE?
13:33 <flex> Gentoo
13:33 <flex> what kind of increase in performance do you get with arma on linux compared to windows?
13:33 <flex> i haven't actually tried it
13:33 <K-Yo> #ss cafe
13:33 <armabot> K-Yo: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
13:33 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot32.png <-- Gentoo
13:33 <K-Yo> hum
13:34 <K-Yo> i had too many connections with tronner too
13:34 <K-Yo> is that normal?
13:34 <Program1> more fps and more stable
13:34 <Program1> cbut windoes lower ping
13:34 <flex> what kind of snapshot is that luke..
13:34 <flex> can't see shit
13:35 <flex> some console
13:35 <luke-jr> …
13:35 <luke-jr> you blind?
13:35 <flex> well i got that link lol
13:36 <Program1> how is it possible that linux get so much greater fps actually? I boosts mine +300
13:37 <flex> really?
13:37 <luke-jr> Program1: technically, any fps over 75 is wasted
13:37 <flex> wow that's a good improvemnt
13:37 <luke-jr> because your monitor will only refresh at most 75 times per second
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13:37 <flex> high fps insures it never drops bellow 75
13:38 <Program1> i have vsync off
13:38 <luke-jr> ☺
13:38 <Program1> vsync sometimes gives me periods of 20 fps sineatd of 500
13:38 <luke-jr> KDE --> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot1.png
13:38 <flex> what distro do you use Program1?
13:39 <Program1> windoes
13:39 <Program1> and ubuntu
13:40 <luke-jr> flex: btw, in case you haven't figured it out yet
13:40 <luke-jr> Gentoo does not define a GUI
13:40 <luke-jr> you can install whatever GUI you want
13:40 <flex> what's the default one?
13:40 <flex> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/shots.xml
13:40 <luke-jr> flex: there is none
13:40 <g5vc> no default
13:41 <luke-jr> flex: heck, by default there isn't even a DHCP daemon
13:41 <luke-jr> or cron
13:41 <flex> well are you using gnome?
13:41 <flex> oh kde
13:41 <luke-jr> KDE ♡
13:41 <luke-jr> GNOME sucks
13:41 <luke-jr> it's slow and ugly
13:41 <flex> how come
13:42 <luke-jr> and idiot-proof
13:42 <luke-jr> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 <-- Gentoo install instructions (for x86)
13:42 <flex> are you using ati luke?
13:42 <flex> or nividea
13:43 <luke-jr> ATi of course
13:43 <luke-jr> nVidia ftl
13:43 <flex> that's what i said
13:43 <flex> but i regret it now :p
13:43 <flex> i will never buy ati again :p
13:43 <luke-jr> if you want 3D on Linux with nVidia, you need to pirate illegal drivers
13:44 <flex> on that note fine, but nvidia currently is pwning ati on everything
13:44 <flex> there 3version old card beats ati's "hd" editions
13:45 <luke-jr> as far as Arma is concerned, this Mobility FireGL 9000 is by far plenty
13:45 <luke-jr> my desktop has a Radeon X850, but I don't use it much right noiw
13:46 <luke-jr> I'd prefer to get an Intel chipset, but they only do them onboard ☹
13:47 <flex> oh sweet i have an x800 pe
13:47 <flex> what kind of fps do you get on your x850 setup
13:48 <luke-jr> I forget
13:48 <luke-jr> X850 is the best one with proper Linux support right now tho
13:48 <flex> well can you remember general performance?
13:48 <K-Yo> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Richard_Stallman_sign_ATI.jpg
13:48 <flex> hah
13:48 <luke-jr> K-Yo: what year was that?
13:48 <flex> lal what is that about
13:48 <flex> 90s clearly
13:49 <flex> na 2000ish :p
13:49 <luke-jr> 2006
13:49 <luke-jr> and he was protesting against both nVidia and ATi
13:49 <flex> that poster looks photoshopped..
13:51 <luke-jr> lol
13:51 <luke-jr> I wonder
13:52 <flex> only thing making me consider ever buying another ati card is because of amd
13:52 <luke-jr> hold off
13:52 <luke-jr> apparently they haven't released much of the important stuff yet
13:53 <luke-jr> no need for new video card that soon
13:53 <flex> can you try and remember what kind of performance your x850 was producing
13:53 <luke-jr> -.-
13:53 <luke-jr> it was much better with ATi's illegal drivers than with the free one
13:53 <spidey> people are so retard
13:53 <luke-jr> beyond that, I don't remember
13:53 <luke-jr> it's been months now
13:54 <luke-jr> I do know it wasn't worth the $120 or so I spent
13:54 <flex> yeah
13:54 <luke-jr> the 9200 worked fine
13:54 <luke-jr> except for being single headed
13:55 <spidey> ati works better on windows than linux
13:55 <spidey> and nvidia works better on linux than windows
13:55 <spidey> or atleast they have for me
13:55 <flex> that's what i was told..
13:55 <flex> or well ati sucked on linux
13:55 <luke-jr> I haven't used Windows since my best card was a TNT2
13:55 <spidey> heh
13:55 <luke-jr> I couldn't care less how they work on Windows either
13:56 <luke-jr> I only care how they work on Linux
13:56 <luke-jr> if they work better on Windows, it doesn't concern me
13:56 <flex> spidey you're using which brand?
13:56 <flex> or card should I ask
13:56 <spidey> that's because you don't do anything that requires a video card besides tron, and that's not saying much
13:56 <luke-jr> flex: ATi's illegal drivers suck on Linux
13:56 <luke-jr> flex: nVidia's are SLIGHTLY better
13:56 <spidey> slightly my ass
13:56 <luke-jr> but X.org has free drivers for a lot of ATi
13:56 <spidey> the g5 series was nvidia's worst series
13:57 <luke-jr> the legal nVidia drivers are 2D only right now
13:57 <spidey> who cares?
13:57 <luke-jr> as far as I'm concerned, the illegal drivers don't count as Linux proper
13:57 <flex> who cares?
13:57 <spidey> you're talking to soemone who has 300gb of warez
13:57  * luke-jr reports spidey
13:57 <spidey> legal or illegal, they work.
13:57  * luke-jr notes the legal ATi drivers WORK
13:58 <spidey> not well
13:58 <flex> would it be better off to use official and none official :p
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13:58 <luke-jr> yes they do
13:58 <luke-jr> flex: why?
13:58 <flex> how is it illegal?
13:58 <luke-jr> it violates copyright law
13:58 <luke-jr> just like spidey's warez
13:58 <spidey> bahah
13:58 <flex> spidey, what card do you use currently?
13:58 <luke-jr> the official are illegal
13:59 <spidey> flex, fx 5500
13:59 <luke-jr> the unofficial are legal
13:59 <luke-jr> for nVidia/ATi anyhow
13:59 <luke-jr> Intel only has legal official ones
13:59 <luke-jr> but no discrete cards ☹
13:59 <luke-jr> spidey: turn done
13:59 <luke-jr> retard
14:00 <spidey> oh
14:00 <spidey> i have to invade argentina
14:00 <luke-jr> -.-
14:00 <spidey> because the irish said so
14:00 <luke-jr> you listen to them?
14:00 <spidey> they have 5 cities, why would i listen to them?
14:00 <luke-jr> they're like 1/3rd your score
14:00 <spidey> i have 31 cities
14:00 <spidey> :D
14:00 <luke-jr> if they want to break off the alliance, they're only screwing themselves
14:01 <luke-jr> hm
14:01 <flex> i'm kinda confused, ofc I'll compare later today but ati on linux is better, same or worser then windows?
14:01 <luke-jr> I wonder what happens if you're at peace, but your units are in their cities
14:01 <luke-jr> flex: how ATi works in Windows is irrelevant ☺
14:01 <luke-jr> flex: ATi in Linux is legal and works well up to X850
14:01 <flex> well I'm using windows so it is kinda relevent to me :p
14:01 <luke-jr> so stop using Windows
14:02 <spidey> flex, get ati then
14:02 <spidey> or
14:02 <flex> i have ati lol
14:02 <spidey> get the 8 series card for nvidia
14:02 <flex> question is: is it better to use linux or windows for the performance
14:02 <flex> which performes better on the ati x800 pe :p
14:02 <spidey> are you a gamer?
14:02 <flex> ofc
14:02 <luke-jr> flex: if your fps is at least 75, it doesn't matter in reality
14:02 <spidey> what games
14:02 <flex> well not anymore, but css, wow, aoc
14:03 <flex> ect ect
14:03  * luke-jr snickers at spidey
14:03 <spidey> this card plays css fine
14:03 <spidey> well
14:03 <luke-jr> Irish is gonna attack you
14:03 <spidey> depends on the map
14:03 <spidey> luke-jr, no
14:03 <spidey> they're attacking zac-kuk
14:03 <luke-jr> j/k :þ
14:04 <flex> lets stick to arma spidey :p
14:04 <spidey> i don't play arma anymore
14:04 <luke-jr> lol
14:04 <flex> ah fuck it, i'll just try it out today
14:04 <luke-jr> flex: Gentoo? ☺
14:04 <flex> fuck no :p
14:04 <luke-jr> pfft
14:04 <spidey> don't let luke sucker you into installing gentoo
14:04 <flex> if i have to install kde then it's too much work
14:04 <luke-jr> flex: you type 'emerge kdebase-meta' and let it work :þ
14:05 <flex> lol
14:05 <spidey> don't let luke sucker you into installing gentoo
14:05 <spidey> don't let luke sucker you into installing gentoo
14:05 <flex> why not lol
14:05  * luke-jr ponders digging up spidey quotes
14:05  * flex likes to make luke happy
14:05 <spidey> gentoo was fine
14:05 <spidey> it's just not worth it
14:05 <spidey> to me anyways
14:05 <flex> worth it? aint it free? :P
14:05 <spidey> no
14:06 <spidey> the time it took, i could have installed slackware, ubuntu, arch...something else 10 times over
14:06 <luke-jr> LOLOL
14:07 <luke-jr> flex: what CPU do you have? :þ
14:07 <spidey> i prefer debian :D
14:07 <luke-jr> spidey: turn done foo
14:07 <spidey> i did
14:07 <spidey> foo
14:07 <luke-jr> (= go away)
14:07 <spidey> your server lags
14:07 <luke-jr> again
14:07 <luke-jr> it's 550 Mhz
14:07 <luke-jr> get over it
14:08 <spidey> then let me start hosting it foo
14:08 <luke-jr> it also has ettercap eating 100% CPU
14:08 <luke-jr> and the ratings stuff
14:08 <spidey> pick a server, i got a 1ghz, and a 2.4ghz
14:08 <luke-jr> spidey: meh
14:08 <spidey> 2.4ghz idles
14:08 <spidey> haven't figured out what to do with it yet
14:08 <flex> intel 3.2ghz
14:08 <luke-jr> spidey: you could let me have it
14:08 <spidey> i could
14:08 <spidey> but i won't
14:08 <luke-jr> flex: P4 or something sane?
14:09 <spidey> at that speed i'm guessing a PD
14:09 <flex> p4
14:09 <spidey> aw
14:09 <spidey> lukes going to tell you
14:09 <flex> lol what
14:09 <spidey> that  p3's out proform a p4
14:09 <flex> pd?
14:09 <spidey> pentium dual core
14:09 <flex> that's probably bs right
14:09 <spidey> actually probably not
14:10 <spidey> this duron at 1.8ghz runs pretty much the same as my p4 does/did
14:10 <luke-jr> not 3.2 GHz
14:10 <luke-jr> if you could have a 3.2 GHz P3, then yes
14:10 <luke-jr> but that is impossible for P3
14:10 <spidey> ...
14:10 <spidey> i have a 2.4ghz p4
14:10 <spidey> they don't make 2.4ghz p3's
14:10 <flex> are you talking real benchmarks spidey or just think it is the same?
14:10 <luke-jr> spidey: so?
14:11 <spidey> luke-jr, so? you're comparing clock speeds
14:11 <spidey> they don't mean that much
14:11 <luke-jr> not anymore
14:11 <flex> ah well that sucks luke.. the system was a 2.5ghz or something.. so my p3 system was actually faster?
14:11 <luke-jr> but it was how Intel rated their CPUs
14:11 <luke-jr> so people thought 2 GHz was 2 times faster than 1 GHz
14:11 <luke-jr> flex: eh⁇ 2.5 GHz P3?
14:12 <luke-jr> spidey: turn done
14:12 <spidey> fu
14:12 <flex> urm no the orginal cpu was 2 something
14:12 <luke-jr> lol
14:12 <flex> on this p4 system
14:12 <flex> i upgraded to a 3.2ghz
14:12 <luke-jr> …
14:12 <luke-jr> 3.2 GHz P4 > 2.something P4
14:12 <luke-jr> that's easy
14:13 <luke-jr> flex: anyhow, installing might take a while, but you can use Knoppix while it installs ☺
14:13 <flex> lol
14:13 <luke-jr> spidey likes to leave out that piece of info
14:13 <spidey> that's because you never told me foo
14:13 <flex> i installed yellow dog on ps3 and it took like 30minutes
14:13 <luke-jr> spidey: yeah, what did you do while it installed?
14:14 <spidey> looked at the screen
14:14 <luke-jr> flex: Yellow Dog doesn't compile everything from scratch
14:14 <spidey> used a console messenger
14:14 <luke-jr> spidey: o, you didn't have a CD-R
14:14 <luke-jr> I did tell you tho
14:14 <luke-jr> but you couldn
14:14 <spidey> WTF
14:14 <luke-jr> n't burn it
14:14 <spidey> liar
14:14 <luke-jr> cuz you were out of CD-Rs
14:14 <luke-jr> or something
14:14 <spidey> i have a CD-RW and a DVD-R
14:14 <luke-jr> want me to dig out the logs?
14:14 <flex> fuck it luke, i'm gona just try it on ubuntu. cba with linux.. i'm only gona check performance :p
14:14 <spidey> luke-jr, sure
14:14 <spidey> if you would have told me i could have used a live cd
14:15 <spidey> i would have pulled out mepis or ubuntu
14:16 <luke-jr> you DID use a live cd
14:16 <luke-jr> it is impossible to install Gentoo WITHOUT a LiveCD
14:16 <spidey> liar
14:16 <luke-jr> u
14:16 <spidey> i had a borked ubuntu install
14:16 <luke-jr> o
14:16 <spidey> yea
14:16 <spidey> see
14:16 <luke-jr> I guess that'd work similar
14:16 <spidey> stfu
14:16 <wrtlprnft> you could probably install gentoo from a cygwin environment
14:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no
14:17 <Program1> nice discussion guys :P
14:17 <wrtlprnft> or from inside a virtual machine running on windows
14:17 <luke-jr> spidey: turn done
14:17 <spidey> actually
14:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: maybe
14:17 <spidey> you could go windows -> ubuntu -> gentoo
14:17 <spidey> =p
14:18 <spidey> ubuntu has a ntfs distrobution i think
14:18 <spidey> or fat32 can't remember
14:18 <luke-jr> or just delete Windoze
14:18 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i'm missing an appearance of macos in there
14:18 <Program1> both? i thopught ni could chose
14:18 <luke-jr> and use Knoppix while Gentoo installs
14:18 <wrtlprnft> linux on fat32?
14:18 <spidey> or ntfs
14:18 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: loopback file
14:18 <spidey> i forget which one
14:18 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: slow as heck
14:18 <spidey> slow indeed
14:18 <spidey> it installs over windows
14:19 <luke-jr> spidey: turn done
14:19 <spidey> u
14:19 <luke-jr> u
14:19  * wrtlprnft imagines linux on a loopback from a samba mount
14:19 <flex> wtf luke, how long does Gentoo take to install? (minutes here)
14:19 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: are you sadistic?
14:20 <luke-jr> flex: depends on CPU and options
14:20 <luke-jr> flex: and bandwidth
14:20 <flex> bandwidth?
14:20 <flex> can't it fit all on a dvd?
14:20 <spidey> yea
14:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i haven't even started on bringing infiniband drives into the equation
14:20 <spidey> luke likes to compile EVERYTHING
14:20 <spidey> kde took the longest
14:20 <luke-jr> flex: Gentoo is a live metaOS
14:21 <cusco> the one thing I like with gentoo is that it doesn't have versions
14:21 <luke-jr> flex: a DVD would be obsolete in a day
14:21 <cusco> the system you installed 5 years back is as updated as teh one you installed yesterday
14:21 <flex> alright so on a dvd with my any normal system whats the duration at..
14:23 <spidey> depends on how gay luke wants to be
14:23 <luke-jr> flex: there is no DVD
14:23 <spidey> see?
14:23 <luke-jr> flex: and there is no "normal system"
14:23 <flex> alright fine no dvd, live download?
14:23 <flex> how long lol
14:23 <luke-jr> yes, live download
14:24 <spidey> depends on how gay luke wants to be
14:24 <flex> lol, so how long! :p
14:24 <luke-jr> my 800 MHz P3 took a week installing from scratch to all KDE
14:24 <flex> jeeez
14:24 <Program1> 800 Mhz :(
14:24 <luke-jr> my 3 year old desktop took a few hours I think
14:24 <luke-jr> not sure how much I installed tho
14:24 <luke-jr> that one's an Athlon64 3200+
14:25 <Program1> you rly let that pc on for a week :)
14:25 <luke-jr> so probably about your P4
14:25 <luke-jr> Program1: my PCs are 24/7
14:25 <luke-jr> I've installed on a 586 laptop before ;)
14:25 <Program1> only 2 are 24/7 here :(
14:25 <flex> luke how long would you think my p4 3.2ghz and 8mbit would take?
14:26 <luke-jr> spidey: done
14:26 <spidey> i have things to build, ai to invade
14:26 <spidey> hold your horses
14:26 <luke-jr> flex: depends on how much you wanted to install, but probably a few hours
14:26 <luke-jr> Program1: 3 total here now
14:27 <luke-jr> Program1: not counting embedded
14:27 <Program1> how many in total?
14:27 <luke-jr> … I just told oyu
14:27 <Program1> i guess you have much pc-s :P
14:27 <luke-jr> 3 total at home that are powered
14:27 <spidey> i have 4
14:27 <spidey> =p
14:27 <Program1> 7 here :)
14:27 <luke-jr> 2 MIPS servers in the garage I've never turned on
14:27 <spidey> 5 whenever i get another HDD
14:27 <flex> 7pcs?
14:27 <flex> wtf do you do with 7 pcs
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:27 <luke-jr> one 550 MHz K3-2 powered off as emergency phone server
14:28 <luke-jr> one G3 iBook in pieces
14:28 <Program1> 3 of those 7 are not more then 1000 Mhz so those suck :(
14:28 <spidey> no way
14:28 <luke-jr> Make a real gift for your wife! http://bmohi.endfeel.com
14:30  * luke-jr blames spidey
14:30 <flex> how much space do you need for gentoo?
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14:31 <luke-jr> flex: I'd give itat least 5 GB
14:31 <flex> thats system files right?
14:31 -!- Program2 is now known as knus
14:32 <flex> so 5gbs just for system
14:33 <wrtlprnft> gentoo isn't actually an end user system
14:34 <luke-jr> flex: actually, it's mostly temporary files :D
14:34 <wrtlprnft> if you want to have all the libraries and headers and stuff to compile an entire system you need a lot of space
14:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: an end user system needs libs too
14:34 <luke-jr> so in reality, the only extra stuff is headers
14:34 <wrtlprnft> and gentoo does keep the source archives of everything forever by default
14:34 <flex> i'm gona try it out on ubuntu first anyways
14:35 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what about the toolchain? things like boost headers?
14:35 <knus> ubuntu doesnt take much time to install but read a install guide first as advice
14:36 <flex> na i installed it before
14:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: yeah, temporary files
14:36 <flex> never actually tried arma on it
14:36 <flex> lol
14:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: true on toolchain; boost headers are headers
14:36 <luke-jr> flex: Kubuntu*
14:37 <luke-jr> spidey:
14:37 <spidey> ?
14:37 <spidey> i don't like kubuntu-desktop
14:37 <luke-jr> spidey: you're an idiot
14:37 <luke-jr> stfu and turn done
14:38 <spidey> u
14:38 <luke-jr> u
14:38 <spidey> u
14:38 <flex> lol
14:38 <luke-jr> u
14:38 <spidey> u
14:38 <flex> luke i ubuntu is gnome?
14:38 <fonkay> stfu ppl
14:38 <spidey> fonkay!
14:38 <fonkay> me!
14:38 <spidey> i thought you died or something =O
14:39 <fonkay> naw, still kickin'
14:39 <flex> kickin what
14:39 <spidey> haha
14:39 <fonkay> it
14:39 <spidey> i was gonna say that :<
14:39 <flex> :p
14:39 <flex> had to be said
14:39 <fonkay> no it didn't
14:40 <flex> fonkay, your comeback would of been "your face"
14:40 <flex> but you never did :p
14:40 <fonkay> no.. my "comeback" or reply, was it.
14:40 <luke-jr> flex: plain ubuntu is gnome, yes
14:40 <fonkay> as in I'm currently kickin' it
14:40 <luke-jr> which is for n00bs
14:41 <luke-jr> well
14:41 <luke-jr> not even n00bs
14:41 <luke-jr> lusers
14:41 <luke-jr> :D
14:41 <spidey> linux users? RIGHT ON!
14:41 <fonkay> your fav is it?
14:41 <luke-jr> SERVER HOP ALERT
14:41 <luke-jr> spidey: turn DONE‼!
14:41 <spidey> lol
14:42 <luke-jr> spidey: imma go to bed -.-
14:42 <fonkay> anyone know what questviewer is?
14:42 <flex> why you hatin on unbuntu
14:42 <flex> you're gah
14:42 <luke-jr> flex: Kubuntu > Ubuntu
14:42 <spidey> then go
14:42 <spidey> kde > kubuntu
14:43 -!- knus [n=program@cp601025-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has quit ["Java user signed off"]
14:43 <luke-jr> spidey: you make so much sense
14:43 <spidey> i no rite?
14:43 <flex> norite
14:43 <spidey> i didn't like kubuntu
14:43 <spidey> it was...different
14:43 <luke-jr> spidey: SHUT UP UNTIL YOU PRESS TURN DONE
14:44 <spidey> FU
14:44 <luke-jr> U
14:44  * luke-jr ponders invading spidey
14:44 <spidey> flex, how is your weekend going?
14:44 <flex> do it!
14:44 <luke-jr> lol
14:44 <flex> quite shitty infact
14:44 <spidey> luke would get his ass kicked
14:45 <fonkay> ok, just leave
14:45 <spidey> i have 295 point + 5 people that would ally me if i broke my current 2 alliances, and luke only has 214 points and is at war with everyone cept me and this other guy
14:45 <spidey> =p
14:45 <fonkay> anyone know what QuestViewer is? or why it would "stop working"?
14:45 <spidey> no, and yes
14:45 <spidey> stopped working cause it broke :D
14:45 <flex> it gives you questes? :p
14:46 <flex> quests
14:46 <fonkay> Yea, i don't even know what it is, let alone how in the fuck to fix it
14:46 <luke-jr> fonkay: delete Windows
14:46 <flex> haha
14:47 <fonkay> Who said I'm on windows?
14:47 <spidey> while true;do;rm -rf /home/luke-jr;done
14:47 <spidey> no more luke :<
14:47 <luke-jr> fonkay: your IRC client
14:47 <luke-jr> [07:52:05] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from fonkay: mIRC v6.31 Khaled Mardam-Bey
14:48 <flex> delete hard disk
14:48 <spidey> my irc client can lie
14:48 <luke-jr> spidey: want me to AI you?
14:48 <fonkay> I had this on my mac.
14:49 <luke-jr> fonkay: liar
14:49 <spidey> hah
14:49 <spidey> luke-jr, version me
14:49 <spidey> =p
14:50 <fonkay>  we have a mac and a pc, but when my old comp broke, and I had to buy this piece of shit, i was using this on my bf's mac
14:50 <spidey> hahaha
14:50 <K-Yo> is there a way to chose the size of a CENTER_MESSAGE?
14:50 <luke-jr> no
14:50 <luke-jr> well
14:50 <luke-jr> you could add spaces or newlines to the message
14:50 <K-Yo> ok
14:51 <K-Yo> newlines with?
14:51 <spidey> AI me
14:51 <K-Yo> t/m?
14:51 <luke-jr> \n
14:51 <spidey> i'm going to play  css;
14:51 <luke-jr> spidey: you suck
14:51 <spidey> you suck balls
14:51 <K-Yo> ok thx ;)
14:51 <spidey> my irc client says so
14:51 <luke-jr> ]help kick
14:51 <luke-jr> forgot he's not here
14:51 <luke-jr> ☹
14:52 <spidey> lolol
14:52 <spidey> nub
14:52 <luke-jr> u
14:52 <spidey> u
14:52 <luke-jr> #crazy-tronners is crazy
14:52 <luke-jr> it has 3 bots that all do the same thing
14:53 <spidey> i wonder if i could be mean
14:53 <spidey> xD
14:53 <spidey> .alias add test "]test" #alias add test ".test" ]alias add test "#test"
14:54 <spidey> xD
14:54 <spidey> well
14:54 <spidey> echo?
14:54 <spidey> i forget haven't added alias in awhile
14:55 <luke-jr> ow
14:55 <spidey> you fail
14:55 <luke-jr> u
14:56 <spidey> xD
14:58 <flex> smells a ban coming :p
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15:06 <luke-jr> wb manuel__
15:08 <epsy> #armaservers
15:08 <armabot> epsy: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
15:08 <epsy> #sd mysql
15:08 <armabot> epsy: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br (2 more messages)
15:08 <epsy> ^^
15:10 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft:
15:11 <flex> my bandwidth meter says i downloaded 150gbs this week :p
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15:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:40 <wrtlprnft> what the hell is using all those connections?
15:40 <madmax> O_o
15:40 <wrtlprnft> php scripts do disconnect from mysql by themselves when they finish, right?
15:41 <wrtlprnft> /usr/bin/my_print_defaults: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:41 <wrtlprnft> bad idea.
15:41 <wrtlprnft> have fun waiting while i recompile mysql
15:41 <wrtlprnft> gentoo rocks.
15:43 -!- P4|away is now known as P4
15:47 <wrtlprnft> it hasn't even started compiling yet
15:47 <spidey> i wonder if windows will crash
15:47 <spidey> :O
15:48 <spidey> i'm extracting 12 files that have 12+ parts each
15:48 <spidey> xD
15:48 <spidey> at the sametime
15:49 <spidey> 1.3 second lag
15:49 <spidey> ncie XD
15:50 <wrtlprnft> wow. it finally started configuring
15:50 <wrtlprnft> portage keeps getting slower every day
15:51 <spidey> lol
15:51 <spidey> i may put gentoo on the server i'm not using atm
15:51 <spidey> or obsd
15:52 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i get the same effect :/
15:53 <wrtlprnft> well, it's gonna be a while till the server list works again
15:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: hey
15:53 <luke-jr> you're supposed to run revdep-rebuild
15:54 <luke-jr> dig NAPTR luke._armaauth.dashjr.org
15:54 <luke-jr> :D
15:54 <wrtlprnft> half of the time revdep-rebuild fails
15:55 <luke-jr> works for me all the time
15:55 <luke-jr> tho it loves to rebuild gcc unnecessarily
15:55 <luke-jr> what do you think of the DNS idea?
15:55  * wrtlprnft has no special knowledge about dns
15:56 <wrtlprnft> all i see is two regular expressions
15:56 <epsy> i must be getting crazy or very annoyed
15:56 <epsy> i'm starting writing a script against excessive smurfing
15:56 <epsy> huh
15:58 <z-man> smurfing?
15:59 <epsy> hiding under another name
15:59 <z-man> What's bad about that?
15:59 <epsy> has been gotten very annoying since some guys have more than 10+ smurf nicks
15:59 <wrtlprnft> like z-man always does when playing?
15:59 <epsy> kinda ;D
15:59 <z-man> heh
15:59 <madmax> haha
16:00  * madmax starts to play under a different name each day
16:00 <wrtlprnft> what about requiring a credit card number to play?
16:00 <epsy> hm; nice idea
16:00 <wrtlprnft> so you can only have as many nicks as you have credit cards
16:00 <wrtlprnft> that's 0 for me, but who cares
16:00 <madmax> Lucifer actually had a script to generate names and colors each time you run arma
16:00 <epsy> hm
16:01 <z-man> revdep_rebuild only works as long as you keep your system always up to date.
16:01 <epsy> what if hyphy comes?
16:01 <epsy> madmax, i had too
16:01 <wrtlprnft> well, i emerge sync && emerge -uDavN world about every week
16:01 <epsy> well, for the nick :p but everyone knew me, i wasn'T hiding
16:01 <wrtlprnft> but something always seems to fail
16:01 <wrtlprnft> which mean swork
16:01  * z-man knows
16:02 <epsy> #aka nara
16:02 <armabot> epsy: ¿6999 nara
16:02 <madmax> yeah, but the purpose of that one was for multiple people to use it, while having the same nick list
16:02 <epsy> #rating epsy
16:02 <madmax> nara is bubbletea
16:02 <armabot> epsy: epsy is 1078th with a rating of 1473-1558 (from 1474-1557)
16:02 <epsy> pf :s
16:02 <epsy> used to be #140 or smth
16:03 <wrtlprnft> besides being always afraid of annoying too many players when doing it in the evening on the server that runs café
16:03 <epsy> madmax, who's that?
16:03 <epsy> wrtlprnft, do it in the mroning please
16:03 <epsy> *please*
16:03 <wrtlprnft> i try to
16:03 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that it tends to fail
16:03 <madmax> epsy: some guy who plays in nexus9
16:04 <wrtlprnft> so when i come back in the evening i have to fix it
16:04 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=194192#194192
16:04  * luke-jr ponders if he needs to translate that
16:04 <wrtlprnft> a genious idea indeed
16:04 <wrtlprnft> what's it about again?
16:04 <epsy> where have server activity graphs gone ?
16:05 <luke-jr> epsy: did someone steal your name?
16:05 <luke-jr> #aka epsy
16:05 <epsy> luke-jr, hm no
16:05 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿143 player_1_2.o nikolaus_1 pere_fouettard epussy norris ady-hismomsslav ady-momslave |x|_fofo2 |x|frenchellent epu|x|y epsybic epsy pep|x|i epsy|x| g4 |x|epsy:eplayer |x|player_1_2.o
16:05 <wrtlprnft> epsy: sort of into the void
16:05 <epsy> i'm not talking about nick protection
16:05 <spidey> #weather 38256
16:05 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll make new ones once mysql works again
16:05 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 14.5°F (9:09 AM CST on January 20, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 30.58 in 1035.4 hPa (Rising).
16:05 <spidey> 14 degrees
16:05 <spidey> argh
16:06 <epsy> weed plants are gonna die ?
16:06 <wrtlprnft> but when they were last running, the time to update them was longer than the interval between starting updates
16:06 <spidey> no
16:06 <wrtlprnft> leading to … bad things.
16:06 <spidey> it means that's why the water in the shower isn't working
16:06 <spidey> the pipes are frozen -.-
16:06 <luke-jr> uh oh
16:06 <luke-jr> how did you let that happen?
16:06 <epsy> oh, 14 )F not )C :P
16:06 <spidey> well
16:06 <luke-jr> that can cause some real damage
16:06 <spidey> see
16:06 <spidey> we left water runnning everywhere else
16:07 <luke-jr> so your shower's dead
16:07 <spidey> yea
16:07 <spidey> =/
16:07 <epsy> so you smell
16:07 <luke-jr> why do you leave water running
16:07 <luke-jr> just keep the house a decent temperature
16:07 <luke-jr> freak
16:07 <spidey> running water don't freeze
16:07 <wrtlprnft> ah great
16:07 <spidey> unless it's REALLY cold
16:07 <luke-jr> spidey: neither does warm water
16:07 <luke-jr> XD
16:07 <wrtlprnft>  * Your gcc has a bug with GCC_SPECS.
16:07 <wrtlprnft>  * Please re-emerge gcc.
16:07 <wrtlprnft>  * http://bugs.gentoo.org/68395
16:07 <spidey> yes it does
16:07 <wrtlprnft> *cry*
16:07 <luke-jr> LOL
16:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: in case you haven't noticed, you don't really have a choice in keeping Gentoo up to date ;
16:08 <luke-jr> ;)
16:08 <luke-jr> it's an illusion
16:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, do I need to translate that forum post, or do you understand it? XD
16:08 <wrtlprnft> but I *did* update
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16:08 <spidey> btw
16:08 <spidey> luke
16:08 <spidey> retard
16:08 <luke-jr> spidey: u
16:09 <MrBougo> no u
16:09 <spidey> water pipes are almost always under the house
16:09 <wrtlprnft> i understand that it's totally ununderstandable to normal folks
16:09 <luke-jr> spidey: and?
16:09 <z-man> luke-jr: you need to translate it for me, I'd just ignore it otherwise :)
16:09 <spidey> heat rises, so the temp of the house doesn't matter
16:09 <luke-jr> fine fine
16:10 <wrtlprnft> #babelize english french dig NAPTR luke._armaauth.dashjr.org Idea: PseudoCode wrote: AuthToken = "luke@dashjr.org"; AuthDNS = AuthToken; AuthDNS =~ s/\.\.\.$/.auth.armagetronad.net/; AuthDNS =~ s/^(.*)@(.*)$/$1._armaauth.$2/; lookup NAPTR for AuthDNS; run AuthToken through AuthDNS to get: AuthMethod = { "xmpp:luke@dashjr.org?message;subject=Armagetron%20Authentication;body=Your%20one-time-password%20is%20EXAMPLE", "http://auth.aa.dashjr.org/auth.php?vhost=dashjr.org&user=luke&seed=EXAMPLE", }
16:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No closing quotation
16:10 <wrtlprnft> #babelize english french dig NAPTR luke._armaauth.dashjr.org Idea: PseudoCode wrote: AuthToken = 'luke@dashjr.org'; AuthDNS = AuthToken; AuthDNS =~ s/\.\.\.$/.auth.armagetronad.net/; AuthDNS =~ s/^(.*)@(.*)$/$1._armaauth.$2/; lookup NAPTR for AuthDNS; run AuthToken through AuthDNS to get: AuthMethod = { 'xmpp:luke@dashjr.org?message;subject=Armagetron%20Authentication;body=Your%20one-time-password%20is%20EXAMPLE', 'http://auth.aa.dashjr.org/auth.php?vhost=dashjr.org&user=luke&seed=EXAMPLE', }
16:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: idée de l'excavation NAPTR luke._armaauth.dashjr.org : Le pseudo code a écrit : AuthToken = 'luke@dashjr.org '; AuthDNS = AuthToken ; AuthDNS = ~ s/\.\.\.$/.auth.armagetronad.net/; AuthDNS = ~ s/^(.*)@(.*)$/$1._armaauth.$2/; consultation NAPTR pour AuthDNS ; courez AuthToken par AuthDNS pour obtenir : AuthMethod = {'xmpp:luke@dashjr.org?message;subject=Armagetron%20Authentication;body=Your (1 more message)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i totally understand
16:11 <wrtlprnft> thanks luke-jr and armabot
16:11 <luke-jr> LOL
16:11 <epsy> #more wrtlprnft
16:11 <armabot> epsy: %20one-time-password%20is%20EXAMPLE ', 'http://auth.aa.da
16:12 <luke-jr> z-man: how's that translation?
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16:13 <luke-jr> basically, the NAPTR DNS record allows us to specify weighed and prioritized URIs for authenticating an account
16:14 <luke-jr> so one could specify http://auth.aa.dashjr.org/auth.php?…… for luke@dashjr.org, and I could even define flex@dashjr.org to authenticate off-site
16:15 <luke-jr> I think the hardest part would be the failover, but we could ignore that for now ☺
16:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: by the way, you do have a choice about updating gentoo. you can just leave it alone for a couple of months and eventually nice guys from china and i don't know where else will take care of your server for you. They'll even install new stuff on it, all for free
16:16 <luke-jr> haha
16:20 <wrtlprnft> mysql *still* isn't building
16:21 <spidey> that's what you get for using gentoo!
16:28 <wrtlprnft> finally configure is running
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16:41 <epsy> omg
16:41 <epsy> i always get the same thing happening while using kde apps
16:41 <epsy> these apps handles focus weird or smth
16:42 <epsy> what i type always end up in another window or gets interpreted as keyboard shortcut
16:44 <luke-jr> epsy: not if you use KDE
16:44 <epsy> kde's wm sucks
16:44 <epsy> and kde sucks in genral atm
16:46 <luke-jr> KDE's WM does what a WM should do :þ
16:47 <luke-jr> nothing more, sure, but I don't care for that eye candy :þ
16:47 <epsy> not quite sure about that
16:54 <z-man> http://proxy/~manuel/scripttest/test.php?user=test&salt=35e9c7afbb684c841bc96430790d8bb5&hash=88f2398ffe9fd77af1a581b408fc130e
16:54 <z-man> Yay, my first php script :)
16:54 <z-man> oh, sorry
16:55 <z-man> http://moosnet.homelinux.net/~manuel/scripttest/test.php?user=test&salt=35e9c7afbb684c841bc96430790d8bb5&hash=88f2398ffe9fd77af1a581b408fc130e
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16:55 <z-man> Let's see if you can hack it :)
16:55  * z-man left a bit of a backdoor in there
16:55 -!- ct|kyle [n=kyle@pool-71-97-143-220.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
16:56 <z-man> or rather, "forgot" three of the four walls.
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16:59 <luke-jr> z-man: O.o
17:00 <z-man> for debugging purposes only, obviously.
17:00 <z-man> the password would of course be "test", too.
17:00 <luke-jr> design change too
17:00 <luke-jr> for the better IMO
17:00 <z-man> Yeah, it makes no sense for the auth server to give out any more info than neccessary
17:01 <z-man> a simple YES or NO needs to suffice :)
17:01 <z-man> It's bad enough that a md5 digest runs through the servers, IMHO.
17:01  * z-man wonders what is easier to crack:
17:01 <z-man> is it easier to hack md5,
17:02 <z-man> or to listen on webserver-to-forum connection and fish the password out in plan text?
17:02 <luke-jr> oooh, the latter is a single connection to sniff for everything :D
17:03 <luke-jr> MD5 isn't really hackable IIRC
17:03 <luke-jr> you need to plan in advance to create a collision
17:03 <z-man> maybe, yes.
17:04 <z-man> About the sniffing, I heard horror tales of datacenters where you could just listen to all the collective network traffic of all servers.
17:04 <luke-jr> "just listen" sounds exaggerated
17:04 <luke-jr> you'd probably need to run ettercap
17:05 <z-man> Yeah, of course :)
17:05 <z-man> "just" means by standard and well known means.
17:05 <luke-jr> ok
17:06 <luke-jr> well, not much anyone can do about that
17:06 <luke-jr> you'd need routers instead of switches everywhere
17:06 <luke-jr> which would kill latency to IP filter every packet
17:08 <luke-jr> answer: don't do plaintext communications ☺
17:09 <luke-jr> for example
17:09 <luke-jr> I could use ettercap to sniff about 1000 customers of my cable ISP
17:09 <luke-jr> without messing with the analog layer
17:11 <z-man> Eek.
17:13 <luke-jr> in fact
17:13 <luke-jr> I have successfully used ettercap to not only sniff, but hijack an IP address and make use of it for originating connections
17:14 <luke-jr> if I was evil, I could get every nearby business using the cable service on RBLs
17:15 <luke-jr> moral of the story: never trust an IP address ☺
17:17 <luke-jr> anyhow, any ideas for the problem of turning a domain name into a full URI? :þ
17:18 <wrtlprnft> err
17:18 <luke-jr> can't exactly hard code /~manual/some.php
17:18 <wrtlprnft> maybe hardcode something else
17:18 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RDw9yx7gEM&NR=1
17:19 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: then you're forcing everyone to use PHP, etc
17:20 <wrtlprnft> hardcode it to not include an extension
17:21 <K-Yo> :D
17:21 <wrtlprnft> then they can make it a directory with an index.somsthing in it if they don't have access to .htaccess
17:22 <luke-jr> good idea
17:22 <P4> wrtlprnft: is there anything wrong with http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?
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17:22 <luke-jr> … p4
17:22 <P4> did i miss something?
17:22 <luke-jr> yes
17:23 <wrtlprnft> no
17:23 <wrtlprnft> it's working absolutely fine
17:23 <wrtlprnft> that's just a new feature
17:23 <P4> :)
17:23 <wrtlprnft> it's the ld: failed to load libsomething.so.42 feature
17:24 <P4> ah, it's all about that $#%^$#@ .42
17:24 <wrtlprnft> combined with the emerge: please do *something*, then emerge *something* then re-emerge everything, then run revdep-rebuild feature
17:25 <P4> yea… that's pure gentoo :þ
17:25  * luke-jr gives wrtlprnft a hug
17:26 <P4> ah, i've found the messges about mySQL recompiling…
17:26 <wrtlprnft> i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DMYSQL_SERVER -DDEFAULT_MYSQL_HOME="\"/usr\"" -DDATADIR="\"/var/lib/mysql\"" -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/share/mysql\"" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../bdb/build_unix -I../innobase/include -I../innobase/include -I../include -I../include -I../regex -I.     -DDBUG_OFF -march=pentium2 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -DHAVE_ERRNO_AS_DEFINE=1 -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -felide-constructors -fno-rtti -fno-implicit-templates   -fno-implicit-templates -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -MT opt_sum.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/opt_sum.Tpo -c -o opt_sum.o opt_sum.cc
17:26 <wrtlprnft> if that helps anyone figure out how long it's gonna take
17:27 <luke-jr> about 4 hours
17:27 <wrtlprnft> note the not at all redundand use of command lines
17:27 <wrtlprnft> *command options
17:28 <wrtlprnft> or whatever they're called
17:28 <wrtlprnft>        current merge time: 1 hour, 15 minutes and 52 seconds.
17:28 <wrtlprnft>        ETA: 33 minutes and 56 seconds.
17:29 <wrtlprnft> i think that's more accurate than luke-jr 
17:29 <luke-jr> :þ
17:29 <luke-jr> hey, wrtlprnft
17:29 <luke-jr> you just gave me a great idea
17:30 <luke-jr> on how to estimate build times
17:30 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:30 <luke-jr> the first time it's built anywhere, mark the # of lines output at 10 seconds
17:30 <luke-jr> then record the total seconds it takes on that system
17:31 <luke-jr> then, if you get to eg, line 51 at 5 seconds, we know your system is 2x fastre
17:31 <wrtlprnft> won't help if the output of the compile run changed
17:31 <wrtlprnft> because of USE flags or minor revisions
17:31 <luke-jr> true
17:34 <wrtlprnft> wow, what kind of geek do you need to be to write your first script in a language and immediately start asking complicated questions about exceptions?
17:35 <wrtlprnft> i didn't even care about exceptions in php yet because i figured they'd suck about as much as classes in php
17:35 <luke-jr> haha
17:35 <luke-jr> yeah they do I think
17:35 <luke-jr> since no builtins use them
17:35 <luke-jr> XD
17:42 <spidey> armabot weather 38256
17:42 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 19.0°F (10:47 AM CST on January 20, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036.5 hPa (Rising).
17:44 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
17:44 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Omaha Millard, Nebraska is 14.0°F (10:30 AM CST on January 20, 2008). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa (Rising).
17:44 <luke-jr> spidey: no water running OR frozen
17:44 <luke-jr> pwnt
17:45 <spidey> so?
17:45 <spidey> your pipes are probably insalated
17:45 <luke-jr> insulated*
17:45 <luke-jr> btw
17:45 <spidey> w/e
17:46 <luke-jr> any pipes outdoors are going to be common
17:46 <luke-jr> there won't be a seperate one for the showe
17:46 <luke-jr> not to mention the shower's will be from the hot water heater
17:46 <luke-jr> so just run hot water to melt it
17:46 <luke-jr> tho that might be a bad idea if they really are frozen
17:46 <spidey> ......................
17:47 <spidey> and actually
17:47 <tramshed> 14?
17:47 <tramshed> hah
17:47 <tramshed> Ill trade
17:47 <tramshed> -17 here
17:47 <spidey> -17?
17:47 <spidey> wtf
17:47 <tramshed> welcome to the midwest
17:48 <tramshed> oh wait
17:48 <tramshed> it warmed up
17:48 <luke-jr> …
17:48 <tramshed> -15 now
17:48 <tramshed> 5 without the windchill
17:48 <luke-jr> tramshed: TN isn't considered midwest?
17:48 <luke-jr> NE certainly is, and that's the 14
17:48 <tramshed> nah
17:48 <tramshed> tn is south
17:48 <tramshed> armabot weather 49117
17:49 <armabot> tramshed: The current temperature in Beacher, 10th/Franklin St, Michigan City, Indiana is 6.4°F (10:53 AM CST on January 20, 2008). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: -9.4°F. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034.1 hPa (Rising).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST this morning...
17:49 <tramshed> wow, thats wrong
17:49 <tramshed> where the hell is beacher
17:49 <tramshed> thats not even the right state, haha
17:49 <luke-jr> lol
17:50  * deja_vu wonders what the hell gnuplot is doing with a butt Oo
17:50 <tramshed> http://www.weather.com/weather/local/49117?lswe=49117&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=whatwhere
17:50 <deja_vu> Options are 'eps enhanced defaultplex \ leveldefault monochrome colortext \ dashed dashlength 1.0 linewidth 1.0 butt \ palfuncparam 2000,0.003 \ "Helvetica" 14 '
17:51 <luke-jr> deja_vu: wtf
17:52 <deja_vu> luke-jr: exactly O.o
17:53 <spidey> btw luke-jr
17:53 <spidey> you're not hosting the civ games anymore
17:53 <spidey> :D
17:54 <luke-jr> spidey: gfy
17:55 <spidey> yes good for me
17:55 <spidey> because i won't have to wait 1 minute + for the next turn after everyone's hit turn done
17:55 <spidey> =p
17:57 <luke-jr> yeah sure
17:57 <luke-jr> only 30 seconds
17:58 <spidey> says you
17:59 <luke-jr> it has nothing to do with latency/lag btw
17:59 <luke-jr> it's CPU bound
18:03 <spidey> it's still there
18:03 <spidey> =p
18:03 <spidey> and it won't be there if i host it
18:04 <luke-jr> 500 MHz to 2 GHz or whatever is only 4x difference
18:04 <luke-jr> so you'll cut 2 mins down to 30 secs
18:04 <spidey> 2.4
18:04 <spidey> and
18:04 <spidey> yea?
18:04 <spidey> 30seconds is alot less than 2 minutes
18:04 <luke-jr> indeed
18:05 <spidey> and it's not just the clock speeds that count
18:05 <luke-jr> good point
18:05 <luke-jr> so not even down to 30 secs
18:05 <luke-jr> :þ
18:05 <spidey> you got FSB, L1 and L2 cache to think about to
18:06 <spidey> anyways
18:07 <spidey> i figured out why i was getting lag
18:07 <spidey> locally
18:07 <luke-jr> cuz it ain't lag
18:07 <spidey> the gtk2 client blows
18:07 <luke-jr> it's gtk2
18:07 <luke-jr> duh
18:07 <spidey> when you highlight a unit, and your CPU goes to 100%
18:07 <spidey> you don't see lag?
18:08 <luke-jr> maybe your CPU
18:08 <wrtlprnft> >>> Source compiled.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> finally
18:08 <luke-jr> I don't see lag. I see lots of computing.
18:08 <spidey> but it's still lag?
18:08 <spidey> lots of computing would equal what to the user?
18:10 <luke-jr> slowness
18:11 <luke-jr> spidey: gonna take your civ back from teh AI?
18:12 <spidey> probably not since the ai probably trashed it
18:12 <spidey> and slowness is what?
18:13 <luke-jr> delays
18:14 <spidey> so it's lag?
18:14 <spidey> and wtf at this client
18:17 <spidey> i don't think i like civ anymore
18:17 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know how to use mingw to create a standalone executable?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> one that doesn't depend on any libraries that aren't on a normal windows machine
18:20 <guru3> static linking?
18:20 <z-man> isn't that the standard operation of mingw?
18:20 <z-man> I mean, the code::blocks builds we do of arma are done with mingw.
18:21 <z-man> And apart from the extra libraries we use, we don't have to put in anything.
18:21 <z-man> It's cygwin that requires extra stuff.
18:21 <z-man> besides, be glad that your server has more than 266 MHz :)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> well, it complains about a missing mingwm10.dll
18:22 <z-man> Hmm.
18:22 <z-man> Did you cross-compile?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> no
18:23 <wrtlprnft> i just managed to compile my own qt that links statically
18:23 <z-man> Eek, qt on Windows.
18:24 <wrtlprnft> well, it works, sort of
18:24  * luke-jr has a Qt cross-compile setup
18:24 <luke-jr> wait, are we adding Qt to Arma or is this something else?
18:24 <z-man> Perhaps it's a special dll that only is required if the programmer uses certain functions.
18:24 <wrtlprnft> something totally different
18:24 <wrtlprnft> i'm not exactly using lots of functions
18:25 <z-man> But Qt may be :)
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18:25 <luke-jr> z-man: mingwm10.dll is always required
18:25 <luke-jr> for MingW
18:25 <wrtlprnft> this is supposed to be a demo program for my facharbeit
18:25 <spidey> luke-jr, what server version you running?
18:25 <wrtlprnft> and i need it on windows for my teacher to run it
18:25 <luke-jr> spidey: shurg
18:25 <z-man> luke-jr: really? How do our arma builds work then?
18:25 <luke-jr> z-man: static linked?
18:25 <z-man> Don't ask me :)
18:26 <guru3> magic
18:26 <wrtlprnft> well, how do you tell mingw/qt/qmake/whatever to statically link it
18:26 <wrtlprnft> mind that i have no clue on how windows works
18:26 <luke-jr> something += static
18:26 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@p57962902.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
18:26 <z-man>  /insert standard joke here, like Neither Does Microsoft, hahaha
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
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18:28 <spidey> luke-jr, is it 2.0?
18:28 <luke-jr> of course not
18:28 <luke-jr> retard
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18:28 <spidey> i don't like these new clients
18:28 <spidey> :|
18:29 <wrtlprnft> apparently you only need mingwm if you use threads
18:30 <luke-jr> O.o
18:30 <luke-jr> I guess that would explain it
18:31 <wrtlprnft>
18:31 <wrtlprnft> why not compile qt again?
18:32 <wrtlprnft> it's not like this is the 4th time i'm doing that :-(
18:32 <spidey> luke-jr, why tell me to come take my civ back
18:32 <spidey> if you're not in there
18:32 <luke-jr> -no-exceptions wtf
18:32 <luke-jr> spidey: I am
18:33 <spidey> why is your civ not have a state?
18:33 <luke-jr> client crashed
18:33 <spidey> lol
18:33 <luke-jr> cuz u joined I bet
18:36 <spidey> woot
18:36 <spidey> i miss the 2.0.9 client
18:36 <spidey> :<
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18:38 <luke-jr> hi Hoax-
18:38 <Hoax-> yo luke-jr
18:45  * GodTodd notes that luke-jr must not know a whole lot about plumbing.
18:45 <luke-jr> GodTodd: not a thing
18:46 <GodTodd> and it shows :)
18:51 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
18:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 26 seconds old; - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (13/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12/14), Fortress Café (10/32), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), || Vulcano's Server || ONLY NOOBS || Vulcanion.com || (6/6), G-Land (6/8), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6/12), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (5/12), The Tavern (5/16), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena (2 more messages)
18:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:52 <guru3> ddl :S
18:52 <wrtlprnft> #ss d u r k
18:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | -: PLAYERS (12): dbdnano (17), RainboW (8), The Kingzor (8), Dc|Dust (5), Zak (4), ¦Hítõ (3), Ap0calypTic (2), Dodobird (2), In de club (2), IAN FO NYshizzy (1), Carterio (0), Kriki (0)
18:52  * guru3 waves from the server
18:53 <guru3> i keep dieing
18:53 <guru3> either cause i'm crap or cause im' hungry
18:53 <guru3> 50/50
18:55 <Hoax-> shift + esc is your best option in ddl
18:55 <guru3> already did it
18:55 <Hoax-> haha
18:56 <guru3> i'm just too hungry to play
18:56 <guru3> as i play more and more ive gotten worse and worse, right along side getting more and more hungry
18:56 <Hoax-> I guess this is what happens when a man doesn't get enough food
18:57 <Hoax-> I'll keep an emergency supply nearby just in case i feel an urge to go into ddl
19:02 <guru3> i have food
19:02 <guru3> but it's all junk food
19:02 <guru3> and dinner is soon
19:09 <guru3> crud
19:10 <guru3> lucifer posted a reply between the time i read and the time i replied
19:11 <Hoax-> guru3 when u off back to steel city
19:11 <guru3> already here
19:12 <Hoax-> oh lol
19:12 <z-man> Ouch!
19:13 <z-man> Arma's md5 stuff puts the trailing 0 into the hash.
19:13 <epsy> lol
19:13 <guru3> that... doesn't sound good
19:14 <Hoax-> you been to corporation?
19:14 <guru3> no
19:14 <epsy> #help serverscores
19:14 <armabot> epsy: (serverscores <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/scores.php?name=[urlquote $*]]".
19:15 <Hoax-> haha ok, I got a friend always banging on about it
19:21 <z-man> guru3: indeed :/ That was the problem you had back then with the phpbb authentication, I guess.
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19:21 <guru3> no for some reason md5s from aa
19:21 <guru3> weren't the 128bit
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19:24 <guru3> dinner now, bbl
19:38 <z-man> [1] Fetching authentication URL http://moosnet.homelinux.net/armaauth/md5/?user=test&salt=cb87cd10dc7974b95b81cf5f5a4fe252&hash=109de9bdb4bffbc423d7e415adc227ad
19:38 <z-man> [1] Answer: PASSWORD_OK
19:38 <z-man> [1] test has been logged in by the power of authority moosnet.homelinux.net.
19:38 <z-man> Hah!
19:39 <z-man> Feel the power of authority moosnet!
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19:51 <epsy> #aka knuw
19:51 <epsy> #aka knus
19:51 <armabot> epsy: I don't know anything about 'knuw'!
19:51 <armabot> epsy: ¿4593 knus
19:51 <epsy> #aka freako
19:51 <armabot> epsy: ¿3852 cc_dishwasher depleted defrfztacaheavo heavoc tarrot freako
19:54 <K-Yo> epsy: je crois pas que knus ait un alias
19:55 <epsy> c freako
19:55 <epsy> 100% sur
19:59 <luke-jr> z-man: weren't your modifications going to be in trunk anyway?
20:00 <z-man> I'm working off 0.2.8
20:00 <luke-jr> o
20:00 <luke-jr> threaded HTTP seems like a high-risk change O.o
20:00 <z-man> But a test merge with the trunk instead gave only little conflicts in ePlayer.cpp.
20:00 <z-man> I started before that was in discussion :)
20:00 <luke-jr> maybe you should branch 0.2.8 to 0.2.8-auth then?
20:00 <z-man> Yeah, that would be an idea.
20:01 <z-man> I'm still pondering the possibilities while I work in my local checkout only.
20:01 <luke-jr> any reason to use a hex salt?
20:01 <z-man> It is binary in reality.
20:02 <z-man> it's just hexcoded to fit in the URL :)
20:02 <z-man> just like the hash, really.
20:02 <luke-jr> URIs support binary data with %xx :þ
20:02 <luke-jr> then PHP or Apache should decode for you
20:02  * z-man likes his urls readable
20:04  * z-man also likes to pretend his decisions are not governed by lack of knowledge of the alternatives.
20:06 <K-Yo> epsy, http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3111/screenshot32jd4.png
20:08 <xfroggy> who's rain in here I keep forgetting
20:08 <epsy> vinavil
20:08 <K-Yo> vinavil
20:08 <luke-jr> vinavil
20:08 <xfroggy> ah
20:08 <luke-jr> !
20:09 <xfroggy> lol
20:09 <Lucifer_bed> sohwhahtanahssiam
20:09 <Lucifer_bed> wrtlprnft: ^^
20:09 <Lucifer_bed> something like that
20:09 <luke-jr> z-man: can we at least prepend a _armaauth subdomain? ☺
20:09 <Lucifer_bed> it spells out, if you say it out loud, "So what an ass I am"
20:10 <Lucifer_bed> also, folks should really /msg Lucifer instead of Lucifer_bed, I hardly ever use this computer for anything more than an alarm clock :)
20:10 <z-man> So we can wake you up in the middle of the night if we hack into it?
20:11 <Lucifer_bed> you can try :)
20:11 <z-man> luke-jr: I don't think normal server owners have even that much control over their DNS.
20:11 <Lucifer_bed> I might use it more now that school's started
20:11 <luke-jr> z-man: :\
20:11 <Lucifer_bed> I got a hand-me-down corner desk for it over the winter break, so it's now a good place to do homework and stuff
20:12  * z-man got a hand-me-down two part couch instead
20:12 <Lucifer_bed> can't do homework on a couch!  :)
20:12 <z-man> really useful for slacking
20:12 <Lucifer_bed> that would be anti-homework furniture
20:13 <Lucifer_bed> of course I"m not happy finding my web browser open to an LDS page :/
20:13 <luke-jr> :O
20:16 <Lucifer_bed> it means my mother-in-law is visiting and wanted to know when the local ward meets
20:17 <Lucifer_bed> oh yeah, I finally released an accounting program
20:17 <Lucifer_bed> one that actually works :)
20:19 <z-man> Cool.
20:21 <Lucifer_bed> anybody know how to copy an iso filesystem?
20:21 <Lucifer_bed> I have a cdrom I want to put on the server, and the server doesn't have a cdrom drive
20:26 <z-man> You want to read the iso's content?
20:26 <z-man> You can mount it over the loopback device, then, let me check how
20:27 <z-man> mount file.iso /cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop
20:27 <z-man> shortest howto ever : http://thomer.com/howtos/mount_loopback.html
20:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer_bed: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=some.iso
20:28 <z-man> kind of reminds me of http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
20:28 <z-man> luke-jr: don't click!
20:28 <luke-jr> …
20:28 <Lucifer_bed> z-man: that part I knew, I didn't know how to copy the contents from the cd to the hard drive :)  (at least, not without using mkisofs, which could break the contents, since it's a windows program that's on it)
20:29 <Lucifer_bed> luke-jr: thanks, I'll try that.  I was wondering if dd would get me the iso filesystem or something else.
20:39 <epsy> libervisco, SCORE_DIE -1 or 0 maybe
20:40 <epsy> SCORE_SUICIDE is fine i think
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20:56 <K-Yo> hi
20:57 <Goodygumdrops> boo
20:57 <Goodygumdrops> I had to make sure I could get on irc
20:57 <Goodygumdrops> experiment succesful
20:57 <K-Yo> ;)
21:00 <Lucifer_bed> oh no, who let him in here?
21:00 <Goodygumdrops> :-\
21:01  * madmax greets Goodygumdrops 
21:01 <Goodygumdrops> how's it goin madmax
21:01 <xfroggy> omg Goodygumdrops in irc!!!!!!!!!!
21:01 <Goodygumdrops> omg!
21:01 <xfroggy> :D
21:01 <xfroggy> I though you don't like it? :D
21:01 <Goodygumdrops> it's okay
21:01 <xfroggy> haha xD
21:02 <Goodygumdrops> I'm on trillian's irc plug-in
21:02 <Goodygumdrops> I can't even tell
21:02 <Goodygumdrops> looks just like aim to me
21:02 <cusco> ew
21:02 <xfroggy> ^^ :D
21:02 <cusco> that sucks small things
21:02 <Goodygumdrops> haha, whatever
21:02 <Goodygumdrops> idc
21:02 <Lucifer_bed> hah, my logic book is awesome
21:02 <epsy> #armaconfig 24
21:02 <epsy> #armaconfig 12
21:02 <armabot> epsy: INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_24: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: /team You all suck, I want a new team.) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_2_24: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: /team You all suck, I want a new team.) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_3_24: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: /team You all suck, I want a new team.) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_4_24: Instant chat available with (1 more message)
21:02 <armabot> epsy: INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_12: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: http://www.armagetronad.net) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_2_12: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: http://www.armagetronad.net) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_3_12: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: http://www.armagetronad.net) || INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_4_12: Instant chat available with hotkeys (default: (1 more message)
21:02 <epsy> #more
21:02 <epsy> ...
21:03 <Goodygumdrops> 0.o
21:03 <Lucifer_bed> "28 children in the US were killed by falling television sets between 1990 and 1997.  That is four times as many people as were killed by great white shark attacks in the twentieth century.  Loosely speaking, this means that watching "Jaws" on TV is more dangerous than swimming in the Pacific."
21:03 <xfroggy> lol
21:03 <Goodygumdrops> nice
21:03 <Hoax-> LOL Goodygumdrops
21:03 <Hoax-> hi :D
21:03 <Goodygumdrops> oh man, I didn't know you were gonna be here...
21:03 <Hoax-> lmfao
21:04 <Hoax-> wasup GEEK
21:04 <Hoax-> the sky?
21:04 <Goodygumdrops> you guessed it
21:05 <Hoax-> join ct's channel you can spam but only annoy P4
21:05 <epsy> #armaconfig format
21:05 <epsy> #armaconfig time
21:05 <armabot> epsy: Sorry, no matches :S
21:05 <armabot> epsy: CHATTER_REMOVE_TIME: Time in seconds after which a permanent chatter is removed from the game (default: 180) || CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED: Turn delays will be based on the time since the last turn if this is 1 (default) and the distance if this is 0. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well. (default: 1) || CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when (12 more messages)
21:05 <Goodygumdrops> why would I want to join ct's channel?
21:05 <Hoax-> #aka Guy
21:05 <armabot> Hoax-: ¿4213 crucial guy retro_guy
21:05 <epsy> #more
21:05 <armabot> epsy: CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME: Time in seconds a cycle is invulnerable after a respawn. (default: 0) || CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TIME: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME: Timescale rubber is restored on. (default: 10) || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED: Rubber usage is based on (11 more messages)
21:05 <epsy> #more
21:05 <armabot> epsy: distance travelled if this is 0 (default) and the time passed if this is 1. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME differs from its default? (10 more messages)
21:05 <epsy> #more
21:05 <armabot> epsy: (default: 3) || CYCLE_SMOOTH_TIME: Timescale for smoothing options. Increasing this will make interpolation smoother, but less accurate. Decreasing it will make network synchronization jumpy. (default: 0.3) || CYCLE_TIME_TOLERANCE: Maximum time difference of execution of turns on server and client (for clients that send timing information) (default: 0.1) || CYCLE_TIME_TOLERANCE_OVERRIDEBlock: (9 more messages)
21:05 <madmax> jeez
21:05 <epsy> #more
21:05 <armabot> epsy: out older clients when CYCLE_TIME_TOLERANCE differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_WALL_TIME: Time in seconds a cycle does not make a wall after a respawn. (default: 0) || CYCLE_WALL_TIME_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || DOUBLEBIND_TIME: Time in seconds during which no two different keyboard events can trigger the same action (default: -10) || DOUBLEBIND_TIME_OVERRIDE: Block out (8 more messages)
21:05 <madmax>  /query armabot
21:05 <epsy> #more
21:06 <armabot> epsy: older clients when DOUBLEBIND_TIME differs from its default? (default: 3) || DRAWLINE_TIMEOUT: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10000) || ENEMY_CURRENTTIME_INFLUENCE: If set to 1, not the build time of the encountered wall, but the current time enters the comparison of enemy influences. Arbitrary blending values are allowed. (default: 0) || ENEMY_SUICIDE_TIMEOUT: If no enemy influence can be found for the (7 more messages)
21:06 <Goodygumdrops> is this necessary?
21:06 <madmax> it's in epsy's nature to spam
21:06 <epsy> omg im getting nervous
21:06 <epsy> how do i turn on 24 hrs clock in arma
21:06 <xfroggy> LOL
21:06 <madmax> there's a menu entry
21:06 <Hoax-> rofl just go to the menu
21:07 <epsy> where the fuck?
21:07 <xfroggy> epsy, Hud Options
21:07 <MrBougo> #more epsy
21:07 <armabot> MrBougo: last this many seconds, a player's death counts as a suicide. (default: 10000) || EXTRA_ROUND_TIME: Lenght of an extra pause at the beginning of the round (default: 0) || GAMEOBJECT_MOVE_TIMEOUT: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || GAME_TIMEOUT: Base timeout for game state synchronisation; gives appoximately the maximum time between rounds. (default: 10) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which (6 more messages)
21:08 <MrBougo> #armaconfig clock
21:08 <armabot> MrBougo: Sorry, no matches :S
21:08 <MrBougo> #more epsy
21:08 <MrBougo> #more epsy
21:08 <MrBougo> #more epsy
21:08 <armabot> MrBougo: last this many seconds, a player's death counts as a suicide. (default: 10000) || EXTRA_ROUND_TIME: Lenght of an extra pause at the beginning of the round (default: 0) || GAMEOBJECT_MOVE_TIMEOUT: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || GAME_TIMEOUT: Base timeout for game state synchronisation; gives appoximately the maximum time between rounds. (default: 10) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which (6 more messages)
21:08 <armabot> MrBougo: last this many seconds, a player's death counts as a suicide. (default: 10000) || EXTRA_ROUND_TIME: Lenght of an extra pause at the beginning of the round (default: 0) || GAMEOBJECT_MOVE_TIMEOUT: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || GAME_TIMEOUT: Base timeout for game state synchronisation; gives appoximately the maximum time between rounds. (default: 10) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which (6 more messages)
21:08 <armabot> MrBougo: last this many seconds, a player's death counts as a suicide. (default: 10000) || EXTRA_ROUND_TIME: Lenght of an extra pause at the beginning of the round (default: 0) || GAMEOBJECT_MOVE_TIMEOUT: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || GAME_TIMEOUT: Base timeout for game state synchronisation; gives appoximately the maximum time between rounds. (default: 10) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which (6 more messages)
21:08 <MrBougo> eh
21:08 <xfroggy> epsy,  SHOW_TIME_24 0
21:09 <epsy> unknown cmd
21:09 <xfroggy> O.o
21:09 <xfroggy> SHOW_TIME_24                 Show the time in 24 hour format?
21:09 <xfroggy> what u umean unknwon O.o
21:10 <luke-jr> epsy: trunk I think
21:10 <epsy> i'm running a trunk a little before zones v2
21:10 <xfroggy> ;|
21:11 <epsy> except if lastet trunk client is able to connect to old servers
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21:20 <Goodygumdrops> ladle matches are best of 3, right?
21:21 <epsy> no best of 54
21:21 <Goodygumdrops> 54 isn't odd
21:21 <Goodygumdrops> that doesn't make sense 0.o
21:21 <epsy> xfroggy, d3?
21:23 <epsy> Goodygumdrops, [sarcasm]no best of 54[/sarcasm]
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21:24 <xfroggy> epsy, (15:28:44) Message could not be sent because the user is offline:
21:24 <xfroggy> :|
21:25 <epsy> am i?
21:25  * xfroggy hates msn
21:25 <xfroggy> apparently
21:26 <Goodygumdrops> so you're saying they are actually best of 3?
21:31 <Hoax-> & final is bo5
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> god damn it!
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> I'm not playing
21:32  * Hoax- thinks it is anyway
21:32 <Goodygumdrops> oh well
21:35 <Goodygumdrops> is kod entering a team? XD
21:36 <Hoax-> Goodygumdrops, Just out of respect for other teams, I think we should play with our other crappy teams...since hagats would find it too easy
21:37 <Hoax-> even though the ladle isnt even sumo
21:37 <Lucifer_bed> z-man: zthreads
21:37 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, good call hoax
21:37 <Goodygumdrops> it's really not fair if we are together on a team
21:37 <Lucifer_bed> http://zthread.sourceforge.net/  <-- last release was in 05 however
21:38 <z-man> I think plain pthreads should be enough.
21:38 <Lucifer_bed> http://openthreads.sourceforge.net/  <--- also last release in 05
21:38 <Hoax-> :D
21:38 <Lucifer_bed> probably, I've done minimal cross-platform threads by hand, the apis aren't that different really
21:39 <guru3> i've never gotten threads to work
21:39 <z-man> There's that pthread compatibility library for Windows.
21:39 <guru3> ever
21:39 <z-man> zthreads looks like a sledgehammer that also adresses all those nasty concurrency pitfalls
21:40 <Lucifer_bed> zthreads is nice, I've used it before :)
21:40 <Lucifer_bed> I'm concerned about the last release being in 05, but if it still works, it doesn't matter a whole lot
21:43 <z-man> Yeah, the underling OS libraries are stable
21:43 <z-man> worst thing that can happen is that recent versions of GCC refuse to compile the code :)
21:43 <guru3> my mom changed her paypal password
21:43 <guru3> :<
21:43 <z-man> I'll give it a try, just because we don't need its full power right now does not mean it won't come in handy later.
21:44  * z-man had plans for multithreaded game simulation
21:44 <z-man> guru3: so you can't steal money from it any more?
21:44 <guru3> no i've been locked out our donations actually :<
21:44 <guru3> *out of
21:45 <z-man> oh
21:46 <guru3> i'll have to wait for my mom to reply to my e-mail asking about it
21:47 <guru3> soon as i got my own account i shoulda changed it
21:47 <guru3> foolish me
21:47 <luke-jr> guru3: like PayPal locked-out?
21:48 <guru3> no i just don't know the password anymore
21:48 <luke-jr> o ok
21:48 <guru3> we should do a donation drive sometime
21:48 <z-man> Lucifer_bed: is there any sample code?
21:48  * z-man is allergic to libraries with only doxygen-documentation
21:48 <guru3> considering in the last 2 years 2 people have donated of their own volition
21:48 <Lucifer_bed> hmm, there used to be, lemme dig real quick
21:48 <z-man> you have all these classes and functions and you just don't know where to start
21:49 <z-man> off for dinner, mmm, pizza
21:49 <guru3> enjoy
21:50 <Lucifer_bed> http://zthread.sourceforge.net/html/classZThread_1_1Thread.html
21:50 <Lucifer_bed> z-man: when you get back, I linked to the place you start for a simple thread
21:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_bed: ?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> (that's a wordless question about your ^^ line)
21:51 <Lucifer_bed> the line above my ping is the word to search for in the logs :)
21:52 <Lucifer_bed> ah, where I come from, ^^ means "look up"
21:53 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
21:53 <wrtlprnft> ^^ can also be a smiley
21:53 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't immediately recognize that word
21:54 <wrtlprnft> no match, though
21:54 <wrtlprnft> thanks anyways
21:54 <Lucifer_bed> ko
21:55 <Lucifer_bed> you might try breaking it down if you want and just searching for the ahss part, since it's so easy to typo I may have typoed it here
21:55 <Lucifer_bed> I didn't really think anyone would fall for that prank anyway, the shift-escape step is a dead giveaway
21:55 <Lucifer_bed> also, it requires the user still have talk bound to 's'
21:56 <wrtlprnft> :-(
21:58 <guru3> want to add that "cheat" as an easter egg in the next version?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what it's supposed to do
21:58 <guru3> just pop something up
21:58 <guru3> or invert colors
21:58 <guru3> or something
21:59 <guru3> it's an easter egg- it's not really supposed to do anything
21:59 <Lucifer_bed> have it pop up a picture of a donkey and say "Oh what an ass you are!"
21:59 <wrtlprnft> x_X
21:59 <guru3> have the picture of the ass bouncing around the screen
21:59 <guru3> have lots of them
21:59 <guru3> then have them bounce off of each other
21:59 <Lucifer_bed> just have it add some text to the regular view saying "Cheat mode is on!  You are invincible!"
22:00 <wrtlprnft> btw, did anything happen with http://zhaymusic.com/?
22:00 <wrtlprnft> make the client believe that its cylce is invulnerable and disconnect in the background :D
22:01 <guru3> attach ais to the other cycles in the game if it's network
22:01 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: LOL
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that sounds complicated
22:01 <luke-jr> wow
22:01 <luke-jr> that would be an awesome prank
22:01 <wrtlprnft> [6] Blitz: AhSSSHITS
22:02 <wrtlprnft> wow, my grep turned something up
22:02 <Lucifer_bed> haha
22:02 <Lucifer_bed> doesn't look like it's what you were looking for, though :/
22:02 <Lucifer_bed> man, I thought we had a pretty credible prank going, too, at least for anyone who hasn't yet fallen for shift-escape for cheats
22:03 <wrtlprnft> well, my server isn't the only one out there
22:03 <wrtlprnft> maybe CTWF folks are more gullible?
22:03 <Lucifer_bed> true, but the logical way to test it is in local game anyway, then go to the server
22:04 <Lucifer_bed> to be honest, I still think the best easter egg for shift-escape is to popup a rendering of the manual
22:04 <Lucifer_bed> you know, so the joke's on the shift-escape pranksters instead of the noobs
22:05 <Lucifer_bed> put some boilerplate text at the top that says "Someone is trying to prank you.  Quickly read this manual here and the joke's on them!"
22:06 <guru3> lol
22:06 <wrtlprnft> nothing on ctwf, either
22:27 <z-man> Hey, I actually use shift-esc for its intended purpose.
22:29 <guru3> quitting fast
22:29 <guru3> it's handy
22:30 <z-man> grmpf, zthread install into userdefined prefix gives a broken zthread-config
22:30  * z-man shakes fist
22:30 <guru3> minor details
22:31 <Lucifer_bed> last time I used it, I embedded it into the project directly :/
22:35 <z-man> No worries, as guru3 says, minor details. Easily fixable, not a problem for default installs our source code users will have, and our binary distribution needs to be statically linked anyway.
22:37 <z-man> Why do people need twittr when you can just use IRC?
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22:41 <z-man> Isn't there a handy one-line macro for autoconf that checks all those libraries that have a <bla>-config script?
22:41 <Lucifer_bed> yes
22:41 <Lucifer_bed> pkg-config
22:41 <Lucifer_bed> something to do with that, but I don't remember what exactly
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22:42 <z-man> Most libraries we use are not in pkg-config, I'm afraid.
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22:43 <luke-jr> iksemel is ☺
22:44 <luke-jr> but it's still like 8 lines for the optional-ness
22:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, do you have any idea how can i write a file as unicode and serve it to arma as ... what it reads
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> arma reads latin-1
22:51 <epsy> how can i encode characters which aren't latin-1 so the clients will display it "correctly"
22:52 <luke-jr> you can't
22:53 <epsy> well, if, with my arma client put in my name, let's say, the ¦ character
22:53 <epsy> arma saves it and reads it fine
22:54 <luke-jr> nope
22:54 <luke-jr> maybe the | character
22:54 <luke-jr> which is Latin-1
22:55 <epsy> well i actually see the ¦×¦ tag correctly in my nick each time i start arma
22:55 <luke-jr> nowai
22:55 <epsy> yeswai
22:55 <luke-jr> #lastseen epsy
22:55 <armabot> luke-jr: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on |x|.Sumo.Server 10 minutes ago.
22:55 <luke-jr> wtf
22:56 <luke-jr> oh
22:56 <luke-jr> ¦ is Latin-1
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22:56 <epsy> really?
22:56 <epsy> then the problem must be the ×
22:59 <epsy> no..
23:00 <luke-jr> maybe it's the fact that you're saving it as utf-8
23:00 <epsy> probably
23:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: ¦ is latin-1
23:01 <wrtlprnft> err, nvm
23:02 <wrtlprnft> epsy: use hexedit and the latin-1 table on wikipedia if you have no other way
23:03 <epsy> i can't switch encoding in vim?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> :set encoding?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> and :set fileencoding
23:03 <epsy> tried :set encoding = iso-8859-1
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23:04 <wrtlprnft> :h 'encoding' and :h 'fileencoding' are your firend, too
23:04 <wrtlprnft> no spaces
23:04 <epsy> ok
23:04 <wrtlprnft> and you can use latin-1
23:04 <wrtlprnft> well, there should be a space between set and encoding
23:04 <epsy> o works better
23:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:05 <z-man> Test run of threaded URL checking without any precautions
23:05 <z-man> what will happen?
23:05 <z-man> stay tuned!
23:05 <luke-jr> ☺
23:05  * guru3 is tuned
23:05 <wrtlprnft> is that a cliffhanger?
23:05 <guru3> and wants to know when to start writing the authentication site
23:05 <z-man> umm, linker failure.
23:05 <luke-jr> guru3: might as well start now?
23:06 <luke-jr> z-man: pfft, you're supposed to tell us after it links
23:06 <z-man> id did link
23:06 <guru3> well if we're not using <username>@domain then there's not much point
23:06 <luke-jr> guru3: maybe even get the forums to stop using cleartext? ☺
23:06 <z-man> the dynamic linking failed.
23:06 <z-man> luke-jr: bah, coward :)
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23:12 <Lucifer_bed> ah hell, I can host something on my ssl server for authentication if it matters that much
23:12 <Lucifer_bed> my cert isn't registered with any authority, however
23:12 <Lucifer_bed> z-man: I thought there was something, but apparently I was wrong
23:12 <guru3> can armagetron do ssl?
23:13 <Lucifer_bed> so you run the -config script to see if it's output is right, then run it again to put the compile flags in the right place and the link flags in the right place
23:13 <z-man> no.
23:13 <guru3> thought so
23:13 <Lucifer_bed> ?  I thought libxml2 could do it
23:13 <z-man> I don't know, I don't think so
23:13 <guru3> if it could
23:13 <z-man> the http part is called nano for a reason, I guess.
23:13 <guru3> we could set up our own authority for signing
23:13 <Lucifer_bed> well, my server's pretty well configured these days, I could make it both ssl and non-ssl and the app that uses it can worry about it :)
23:13 <z-man> Hmm, that's an idea, guru3
23:13 <guru3> and hand out certificates to auth servers
23:14 <luke-jr> guru3: and lose our master key
23:14 <z-man> every admin would have a copy
23:14 <z-man> printed out
23:14 <z-man> under his pillow
23:14 <luke-jr> …
23:14 <wrtlprnft> how long is the hex representation of such a key?
23:15 <luke-jr> 1 GB
23:15 <wrtlprnft> how many attempts would one need to type it back in? ;)
23:15 <luke-jr> 2403433.1
23:15 <guru3> i meant hand out signed certificates
23:15 <luke-jr> guru3: can you mail mine?
23:15 <z-man> not yet ;)
23:15 <luke-jr> you're a bit far to drive
23:15 <Lucifer_bed> I want my sent with usps-ssl
23:16 <guru3> surely signed certificates aren't that large
23:16 <guru3> how else do you do https
23:16 <guru3> or really
23:16 <guru3> i'm not quite sure what i'm talking about at this point
23:16 <z-man> ./armagetronad-dedicated: error while loading shared libraries: libZThread-2.3.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:16 <luke-jr> lol
23:16 <luke-jr> wtf is libZThread?
23:16 <guru3> but if it's a 1GB file i can get everyone it
23:16 <z-man> ls -l /usr/local/lib/libZThread-2.3.so.2
23:16 <z-man> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jan 20 23:13 /usr/local/lib/libZThread-2.3.so.2 -> libZThread-2.3.so.2.0.0
23:17 <luke-jr> z-man: -L /usr/local/lib
23:17 <z-man> and that last file exists, too
23:17 <z-man> haha
23:17 <Lucifer_bed> ldconfig ?
23:17 <Lucifer_bed> is /usr/local in your runtime search path?
23:17 <z-man> oh :)
23:17 <luke-jr> btw, I haven't slept any time recent, so if I need to go to bed, tell me
23:17  * Lucifer_bed notes it isn't by default in some distros
23:17 <z-man> ldconfig may be it
23:19 <Lucifer_bed> cat /etc/ld.so.conf
23:19 <z-man> Cool, it worked :)
23:20 <luke-jr> btw, I propose blocking ':' in the username for now, in case we decide to use URIs in the future
23:20 <z-man> Now, it just needs to be get secured.
23:20 <guru3> ssl may be possible
23:20 <z-man> We can block more characters.
23:20 <z-man> I don't mind blocking @ and !, too.
23:20 <luke-jr> can't block @
23:20 <z-man> can.
23:21 <luke-jr> that's already needed to identify the server
23:21 <Lucifer_bed> maybe (I'm the king of compromise!)
23:21 <epsy> Lucifer_bed, (possible)
23:21 <z-man> well, so it's a special role, and we can't have usernames with two @, right?
23:21 <luke-jr> z-man: by username I meant the full 'bla@server' field
23:22 <z-man> ah
23:22 <guru3> we can create a root certification authority certificate i believe
23:22  * wrtlprnft is not going to mention the crazy rules for e-mail addresses
23:22 <wrtlprnft> including those that allow an e-mail address to contain two @ signs
23:22 <epsy> um, if server names doesn't contains @s it's no problem is it?
23:22 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, are the sites I host any faster today?
23:22 <guru3> http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO.html
23:23 <wrtlprnft> about 8 secs for the first request
23:23 <luke-jr> is that normal?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> something unmeasurably short for the second
23:23 <luke-jr> or improved?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> not really
23:23 <wrtlprnft> i'm telling you, your site is trying to reverse-dns me or something
23:23 <wrtlprnft> which fails more often than not for some reason
23:23 <luke-jr> if it was, it wouldn't delay the request
23:23 <Lucifer_bed> guru3: iirc, you're right.  The client has to know about it, of course, so it can validate it
23:24 <guru3> well the client to the server is pretty on its own
23:24 <Lucifer_bed> that's no problem for us, and conveniently lets us lock out the money-grubbing parasites that have the root authority servers for existing ssl websites
23:24 <guru3> but from servers to auth servers we can use https (hopefully)
23:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, i dunno, but i don't think it's my fault
23:24 <Lucifer_bed> we can on mine, anyway.  :)
23:24  * Lucifer_bed already has ssl setup, his svn repo uses it
23:25 <guru3> the hopefully was referring to the client
23:25  * Lucifer_bed is pointlessly excited about it, too.
23:25 <Lucifer_bed> ah, right
23:25 <guru3> don't think we could get at the forums db with ssl directly
23:25 <Lucifer_bed> why aren't you guys in bed, anyway?  Isn't it like the middle of the night over there?
23:25 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: don't suppose you'd mind trying to figure out why? :x
23:25 <wrtlprnft> 3:30
23:25 <wrtlprnft> err
23:25 <wrtlprnft> 23:30
23:25 <guru3> it's only 22:30
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23:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i have no clue how
23:26 <Lucifer_bed> speaking of people who should be in bed, hi madmax (hi there!)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> besides, i only get one chance every couple of hours
23:26 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: every 5 minutes, I'm betting
23:26 <wrtlprnft> why?
23:26 <luke-jr> that's the TTL on my DNS
23:26 <wrtlprnft> well, then it IS your DNS server that's slow
23:26 <wrtlprnft> and my router does cache DNS stuff
23:27 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: IIRC, you tried a direct query and it was snappy
23:27 <Lucifer_bed> guru3: I'd hate to make my server the single point of failure, but if the forums were modded to use the auth server, it shouldn't be a problem (for auth, at least)
23:27 <Lucifer_bed> we'd just need to copy that one table then
23:27 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: dig dashjr.org @
23:27 <guru3> i was thinking we could run several auth servers and support admins creating their own
23:27 <guru3> then just have a config variable for allowed auth servers
23:28  * luke-jr sees no reason to whitelist auth servers
23:28 <guru3> well... if you only want to use yours and have a private server
23:29  * Lucifer_bed doesn't care much either way, as long as it works in the end
23:29 <wrtlprnft> dig dashjr.org @
23:29 <wrtlprnft> that was slow
23:29 <wrtlprnft> … the first time i did it
23:29 <wrtlprnft> not the second
23:29 <luke-jr> uh
23:29 <Lucifer_bed> ;; Query time: 71 msec
23:29 <luke-jr> how is that even possible⁇
23:30 <wrtlprnft> dig dashjr.org @  0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 5.200 total
23:30 <wrtlprnft> dig dashjr.org @  0.00s user 0.00s system 2% cpu 0.173 total
23:31 <Lucifer_bed> local caching server?
23:32 <luke-jr> the @IP forces it to go directly to my server
23:32 <Lucifer_bed> anyway, gotta run for now
23:32 <luke-jr> could be this 3% packet loss to your IP, wrtlprnft
23:33 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 gfduxitgerhyuiovfg<hqiùHMhAU_IGHIUDRLGHUGYgyhugbysgfæÊ€æÊ»þýýûÎÃ]
23:33 <luke-jr> no packet loss to guru3's IP…
23:33 <wrtlprnft> --- dashjr.org ping statistics ---
23:33 <wrtlprnft> 42 packets transmitted, 38 received, 9% packet loss, time 41006ms
23:33 <wrtlprnft> wth
23:34 <Lucifer_bed> yay, I have successfully memorized a 9 digit number :)
23:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: got mtr?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:35 <guru3> Lucifer_bed: your phone number? ;)
23:35 <luke-jr> lol guru3
23:35 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: mtr is tracepath + ping
23:35 <GodTodd> that would be 10 ;)
23:35 <guru3> oh wait, that's 10 digits. still have to guess the last one?
23:35 <Lucifer_bed> heh
23:35 <Lucifer_bed> guru3: no, my bank account number
23:35 <guru3> xD
23:35 <luke-jr> :o
23:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, something *is* wrong with my connection
23:36 <wrtlprnft> --- google.com ping statistics ---
23:36 <wrtlprnft> 18 packets transmitted, 16 received, 11% packet loss, time 17000ms
23:36 <Lucifer_bed> it's our username on the bank's website, and when I wrote my accounting program I made it so it can automatically import from a downloaded .qfx file
23:37 <luke-jr> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993750 <-- longest # I have memorized
23:37 <Lucifer_bed> so now I'm checking the bank myself quite frequently, which resulted in memorizing the number
23:37 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: try mtr ☺
23:37  * Lucifer_bed considers tossing together a new release real quick since some important bugs have been fixed since the first release
23:37 <wrtlprnft> 123456789123456789123456789123456789123456789123456789123456789123456789123456789 ← i can memorize longer numbers
23:38 <luke-jr> lol wrtlprnft
23:38 <Lucifer_bed> e
23:38 <Lucifer_bed> beat you both
23:38 <luke-jr> that's just a symlink!
23:38 <wrtlprnft> A(G_64,G_64) ← biggest number i know ;)
23:39 <luke-jr> ∞
23:39 <wrtlprnft> that's not a real.
23:39 <Lucifer_bed> how many digits does it have?
23:39 <luke-jr> ∞
23:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_bed: you can hardly express that
23:40 <Lucifer_bed> isn't there a proof hanging around the shows that infinity has a finite number of digits?
23:40 <wrtlprnft> even if you'd express it as 10^10^10^10^10^… you'd run of atoms to write it
23:40 <wrtlprnft> *even if you expressed it
23:40 <wrtlprnft> omg
23:40 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild  N    ] net-analyzer/mtr-0.72  USE="gtk ipv6" 289 kB
23:40 <wrtlprnft> a gtk app?
23:41 <GodTodd> heh...no surprise...my packets start falling in omaha ;)
23:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: USE=-gtk
23:41 <luke-jr> duh
23:41 <Lucifer_bed> GodTodd: blame the indians
23:41 <Lucifer_bed> now it's their infrastructure that's fucked up, so they should fix it :)
23:41 <luke-jr> that's Cox for you
23:41 <GodTodd> Lucifer_bed, i'd much rather blame the fact that only hicks live in omaha
23:41 <wrtlprnft> well, it's a gtk app by default
23:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: uh, no
23:41 <wrtlprnft> --- cablesurf.de ping statistics ---
23:41 <wrtlprnft> 27 packets transmitted, 27 received, 0% packet loss, time 26001ms
23:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it's a gtk app if you have USE=gtk
23:42 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a general USE=gtk
23:42 <wrtlprnft> i'm not *that* stupid
23:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: packages don't have default USE flags
23:42 <luke-jr> defaults are global
23:42 <luke-jr> do you have your general USE=-gtk?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i can ping my provider's size without loss, but not google or yours
23:43 <wrtlprnft> i guess it's somewhere between there
23:43 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no
23:43 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: a shark ate the cable
23:43 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: if you don't explicitly specify -gtk, Gentoo will turn it on by default when gtk libs are installed
23:44 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:44 <Lucifer_bed> luke-jr: everybody knows sharks are harmless.  Obviously, a tv fell on it.
23:44 <Lucifer_bed> "28 children in the US were killed by falling television sets between 1990 and 1997.  That is four times as many people as were killed by great white shark attacks in the twentieth century.  Loosely speaking, this means that watching "Jaws" on TV is more dangerous than swimming in the Pacific."
23:44 <luke-jr> lol
23:45 <GodTodd> bullshit, Lucifer_bed...everyone knows if it's bad it's a terrorist plot
23:45 <wrtlprnft> te-7-2.car4.washington1.level3.net 13.0%
23:45 <Lucifer_bed> that was one of the problems on my last logic assignment :)
23:45 <luke-jr> ok, I seriously need to sleep
23:45 <GodTodd> or a bush thing
23:45 <GodTodd> same diff
23:45 <GodTodd> :D
23:45 <wrtlprnft> ve-027.edge01.muc.cablesurf.de 13.3%
23:45 <wrtlprnft> no wonder
23:45 <Lucifer_bed> well, I need to get cracking on this reading
23:45 <Lucifer_bed> but I need to cook first, bbl (probably at my other computer)
23:45 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: demand a credit
23:45 <luke-jr> ☺
23:45 <luke-jr> ttyl
23:46 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:46 <guru3> i'm going to rename authentication tronthentication
23:46 <Lucifer_bed> not armathentication?
23:46 <wrtlprnft> the interesting thing is that it passes ve-027.edge01.muc.cablesurf.de when going to cablesurf.de, too
23:46 <guru3> ohh that's even better
23:46 <wrtlprnft> but no loss there
23:47 <wrtlprnft> is the number the loss *at* that host or *bejond* that host?
23:48  * guru3 is excited
23:48 <guru3> tomorrow the mail comes
23:48  * guru3 ordered a lot of things off of ebay
23:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: anyways, most of my packets to you seem to get lost in washington
23:50 <wrtlprnft> anyways
23:50 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:50 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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