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Log from 2007-11-16:
--- Day changed Fri Nov 16 2007
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00:02 <Lucifer> here's a good example of where ada is different from c++, python, and the rest
00:02 <ct|kyle> where?
00:02 <Lucifer> if I want to make a thread object, I have to create a class and then use the posix thread api directly and have the class manage the thread
00:03 <Lucifer> I'll create class members to handle it, and ultimately a single method that contains all the logic that runs in the thread
00:03 <Lucifer> in ada, this is all automatic.  You create a task, and that's that.  Select polling is builtin.
00:03 <ct|kyle> ah
00:03 <Lucifer> it's amazing, but requires a modified thought process to code.
00:04 <ct|kyle> wal mart sold 10,000 lunux(gOS) PC's in 2 weeks
00:04 <Lucifer> in the US?
00:04 <ct|kyle> yes
00:04 <ct|kyle> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614
00:04 <Lucifer> maybe the linux market is a little bigger than was previously believed :)
00:04 <ct|kyle> i think so with vista
00:04 <ct|kyle> vista is what made it grow
00:06 <ct|kyle> since i told about it in here 2 weeks ago i just had to say it sold out
00:06 <Lucifer> well, xp grew the linux market some too.  :)
00:06 <ct|kyle> yes
00:06 <Lucifer> heh, I don't think I saw your mention two weeks ago, but it's neat to see it selling out
00:06 <ct|kyle> i wish i knew about linux when xp came out
00:06 <Lucifer> I wonder how many of the machines sold were upgraded to vista when they sold, though
00:07 <Lucifer> man, I jumped on the linux bandwagon after I spent 4 hours wrestling with a lan card in win2k
00:07 <ct|kyle> i would say about 1/8 to 1/4  only i review mentioned this
00:07 <Lucifer> all I could do with it in windows was go through one of several wizards and try every combination
00:07 <ct|kyle> ya i know waht you mean
00:07 <Lucifer> when I booted to the linux partition that had existed for a few weeks but been ignored, the card just worked
00:07 <ct|kyle> i was still on win 98 through 2002-3
00:08 <Lucifer> and even though compiling a kernel sounds like a lot of work, I had sound working an hour later.  Compared to the 4 hours wrestling with just the lan card, and it still didn't work after those 4 hours.
00:08 <Lucifer> been homogenous linux in my home ever since :)
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00:09 <Lucifer> anyway, this was before xp came out.  It was before the sept 11 attacks, too.
00:09 <ct|kyle> i still don't have sound on mine right now
00:09 <Lucifer> awww
00:09 <ct|kyle> i have not really messed with it
00:09 <Lucifer> man, my laptop is rocking, since the gutsy upgrade
00:09 <Lucifer> it hibernates, it comes *back* from hibernation, etc.  I'm not happy not having 3d support, but I'm getting so much more out of it now than I did before
00:10 <Lucifer> hibernating is the solution to the problem of having a quick boot time to take notes in class :)
00:10 <Lucifer> unlike in feisty, when it comes back from hibernation, sound and network also come back.  Feisty had a problem with those.
00:10 <ct|kyle> ah
00:11 <Lucifer> of course I'm oin to need 3d support to run Gazebo sometime, but that's a problem I can solve when it's time
00:11 <ct|kyle> have you attempted KDE 4 yet?
00:11 <Lucifer> right now I'm trying to write a multi-threaded socket server for the rover
00:11 <Lucifer> no, no kde 4 yet for me
00:11 <ct|kyle> i debated when i reloaded last week
00:11 <Lucifer> I'll upgrade to it when it gets the stable release, but otherwise I'm ignoring it
00:11 <ct|kyle> i chose not to compile it
00:12 <Lucifer> I am anxious for all qt4 stuff, though.  Qt4 is freaking awesome :)
00:12 <ct|kyle> i'm going to get it around new years when it is supposed to be released
00:12 <Lucifer> so unofficially trolltech doesn't care if we stay gpl with our apps, we can use qt no problem, no expensive license fees :)
00:13 <Lucifer> I'll wait for gutsy to pick it up.  Probably we'll be on H-whatever by then.
00:13 <Lucifer> http://www.adahome.com/Ammo/Cplpl2Ada.html
00:13 <Lucifer> I'm finding that pretty helpful for understanding ada
00:13 <ct|kyle> i want to buy some stock in ubnutu, but i can't find the company it is traded under, if it is traded
00:13 <Lucifer> canonical
00:13 <Lucifer> probably still private
00:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what makes you say TT doesn't care for the license?
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02:16 <Lucifer> #ping
02:16 <armabot> pong
02:27 <ct|kyle> pong
02:48 <Lucifer> well, I'm getting my head wrapped around ada, I think
02:55 <ct|kyle> whats a good tutorial site for it?
02:58 <Lucifer> not sure, heh
02:58 <Lucifer> not a lot of info available
02:58 <Lucifer> http://www.adahome.com/Ammo/Cplpl2Ada.html  <--- should give you a good start if you already know c++ or something similar
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04:08 <Lucifer> whoah
04:08 <Lucifer> I just realized the way ada handles tasks gives a nice conversational layout
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04:08  * Lucifer is liking ada a lot so far
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04:55 <Lucifer> the thing that irritates me about learning new languages is having to frequently compile/run while learning to see if what I'm learning is right
04:55 <ct|kyle> yup
04:56 <ct|kyle> i just wrote a pointless php script
04:58 <Lucifer> ?
04:58 <Lucifer> why would you write a pointless php script?
05:00 <ct|kyle> it may have its uses
05:00 <ct|kyle> i just had to think about them
05:00 <ct|kyle> http://crazy-tronners.com/meeting_draw.php
05:01 <ct|kyle> tron lineups. I just needed to figure out the next part of the script
05:13 <Lucifer> grrrr, why is it so hard to wrap my head around a socket polling loop?
05:17 <ct|kyle> wow http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9047278&intsrc=hm_list
05:18 <ct|kyle> i should Sue my ISP for blocking transaction's from crazy-tronners website
05:19 <luke-jr> ?
05:20 <ct|kyle> My isp blocked all communication with crazy-tronners for about 1 day
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05:21 <luke-jr> wtf
05:21 <luke-jr> btw, you probably don't have a SLA
05:21 <ct|kyle> what is a sla
05:22 <ct|kyle> oh lol i know now
05:22 <luke-jr> a promise your service will work
05:22 <ct|kyle> not sure
05:22 <ct|kyle> anyway i gtg
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07:08 <Lucifer> iHax hacked himself
07:09 <Lucifer> man, I love python
07:09 <Lucifer> heh
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10:57 <cusco> swig is now necessary to build armagetronad (trunk) ?
10:57 <luke-jr> news to me
11:00 <cusco> and... i just installed swig from apt and still says its not installed
11:01 <luke-jr> :þ
11:02 <cusco> building now I justs re./configured it
11:10 <cusco> hey.. the custom playlist
11:10 <cusco> can it be a xmms generated playlist?
11:10 <cusco> :p
11:11 <cusco> a m3u ?
11:12 <cusco> it won't paly it anyway, will it?
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15:03 <spidey_> Lucifer, luke-jr we should get a game of freeciv going this weekend :D
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18:08 <Lucifer> spidey: not just no but hell no
18:10 <zmanuel> gaa, killed by kicking a wall
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18:12 <z-man> It was either that, free or die of starvation on level 1.
18:13 <DrJoeTron> wut
18:13 <z-man> NetHack can be mean :(
18:14 <DrJoeTron> oh yeaaaah
18:18 <deja_vu> lol
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19:09 <spidey> Lucifer, y
19:19 <Lucifer> "y" means "yes" for us old farts
19:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey is dumb y/n
19:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey did you get tf2 yet :I
19:52 <z-man> You are hit by a poisoned crude arrow.
19:52 <z-man> The poison was deadly...
19:52 <z-man> *sob*
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20:11 <libervisco> HEy
20:11 <libervisco> Is this fine? http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=193010
20:24 <xfroggy> Oo
20:26 <epsy> libervisco, it's that i don't really like lms :p
20:26 <epsy> *it's just
20:26 <xfroggy> whats lms?
20:27 <libervisco> Last Man Standing
20:27 <xfroggy> ah
20:27 <epsy> not rubber
20:27 <libervisco> epsy, what would you prefer?
20:27  * epsy is a sumo/fort player
20:27 <xfroggy> epsy is a spammer, not a sumo/fort player
20:27 <libervisco> I mean, whatever would most people signed up play would really be the right thing
20:28 <epsy> libervisco, if you put LMS, you will be flamed by Fort/Sumo players
20:28 <epsy> if you put sumo, you get flamed by LMS ppl
20:28 <xfroggy> lol! :D
20:28 <libervisco> :\
20:28 <xfroggy> tron is a divided game :)
20:28 <libervisco> Can't we all just get along?(TM)
20:28 <xfroggy> koo promo video
20:29 <epsy> Let's get togeeettheeerrr aaaannnnddd beee aaaaallllriiiigghghhht
20:29 <libervisco> hehe
20:30 <xfroggy> maybe sumo would be right
20:30 <epsy> <paddy> how are you? <epsy> Frenchellent! <paddy> sounds like not so good
20:30 <epsy> made me smile :)
20:30 <xfroggy> alot of rubber players are playing sumo nowdays ^_^
20:30 <epsy> hahaha
20:30 <epsy> highrubber sumo -_-'
20:30 <xfroggy> -.-
20:31 <epsy> the only non-bugfarm sumo is shin's one
20:31 <xfroggy> ...hello? ww?
20:32 <epsy> Wildcat sumo
20:32 <epsy> or w/E
20:32 <epsy> *the only one i like
20:32 <xfroggy> lol no
20:32 <epsy> ww ? wild worst has a non-bugfarm-like sumo ?
20:33 <xfroggy> wild west
20:33 <epsy> duh
20:33 <epsy> stupid pho,e-lag
20:33 <xfroggy> whats non-bugfarm?
20:33 <epsy> *phone
20:33 <epsy> something not like what you see on bugfarm ?
20:33 <xfroggy> ...
20:33 <epsy> (or seen)
20:33 <xfroggy> what do I see in bugfarm?
20:33 <xfroggy> idk i dont play there :P
20:33 <epsy> the physics
20:33 <xfroggy> im only in cafe or ww servers :S
20:34 <epsy> it's mostly like in café
20:34 <epsy> café is a bagfarm fort clone :)
20:34 <epsy> *bugfarm O_o
20:34 <libervisco> So what are we gonna do guys? I don't want to split what already is a little number of players who registered..
20:34 <libervisco> And I actually mentioned Armagetron in our last official press release
20:35 <libervisco> http://www.freedomware-gamefest.com/final_preliminary_announcement
20:35 <epsy> if players knew what they would play they would get easier on signing up
20:35 <libervisco> Catch 22 :D
20:35 <xfroggy> lol true to that epsy
20:35 <libervisco> So I say LMS and half of them are gone :D
20:36 <libervisco> I say Sumo and the other half is gone :D
20:36 <epsy> you got it :p
20:36 <libervisco> Will that half be compensated for? :P
20:36 <libervisco> How many Armagetron players are there overall?
20:36 <epsy> noob7_away, wake up
20:36 <epsy> #count armagetron players
20:36 <epsy> #eliza count armagetron players
20:36 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say count armagetron players?
20:37 <libervisco> charming
20:37 <libervisco> :D
20:37 <epsy> :S
20:37 <epsy> #eliza You are stupid.
20:37 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say i are stupid?
20:37 <libervisco> lol
20:37 <epsy> very charming :}
20:38 <epsy> 1st...how many fort ppl ?
20:38 <epsy> hm
20:39 <libervisco> There must be a most popular mode of all
20:39 <epsy> #tea
20:39 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
20:39 <epsy> libervisco, hm...say that to nexuiz ppl
20:40 <libervisco> Don't forget there is a prize waiting for the winner. :P
20:40 <epsy> haha
20:40  * epsy needs a server list
20:40 <epsy> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/sb.php
20:40 <epsy> here :p
20:41 <libervisco> ok thanks
20:42 <xfroggy> back :D
20:42 <epsy> wb
20:42 <xfroggy> hehe ^_^
20:43 <epsy> xfroggy, did you got your sb up btw?
20:43 <xfroggy> figuring out smf tables :S
20:43 <epsy> lol
20:43 <xfroggy> didnt really had time to look into it yet :P
20:44  * xfroggy is lazy
20:44 <epsy> xfroggy, how many fort players do you think there is ?
20:44 <epsy> my brain is just going into headache trying to get an approximation
20:46 <xfroggy> hrhr
20:46 <xfroggy> no idea :D
20:46 <xfroggy> over 30 I believe
20:46 <epsy> yea sure LOL!
20:46 <xfroggy> why not?
20:46 <MrBougo> :o
20:46 <xfroggy> on good day cafe is usually filled up with 22 players
20:46 <epsy> cuz there are like 5 main clans in fort
20:46 <epsy> approx. 10 members
20:47 <xfroggy> hrm lets count who plays on afl
20:47 <epsy> so we're already at 50
20:47 <xfroggy> oh
20:47 <xfroggy> so there, i was right :P
20:47 <epsy> then, non clanners
20:47 <epsy> *eww*
20:47 <epsy> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Competition_Hub
20:47 <xfroggy> lol^
20:47 <epsy> libervisco, i suggest you to look over there in old tourneys
20:47 <xfroggy> well the fact is
20:47 <epsy> there was some high rubber lms tourneys
20:47 <epsy> and some fortress ones
20:48 <xfroggy> is that fort players are more likely to show up then rubber players.
20:48 <xfroggy> thats the fact.
20:48 <epsy> yea
20:48 <xfroggy> I think fort players are more devoted to the game :)
20:48 <libervisco> alright, thanks epsy
20:48 <epsy> *cough*ITWC*cough*
20:49 <libervisco> IIRC fort is team based?
20:49 <xfroggy> yea
20:49 <epsy> libervisco, so you might see how many players would signup depending on gameplay :)
20:49 <epsy> indeed :)
20:50 <epsy> libervisco, the real current tourneys are...
20:50 <epsy> ..are..is the AFL
20:50 <xfroggy> *real* :D
20:50 <epsy> Ladles are over
20:50 <epsy> wish we seen TST again :(
20:50 <xfroggy> ...they not coming back?
20:50 <epsy> xfroggy, not before a long time
20:51 <xfroggy> so what happens after this AFL ends? a new one starts right away?
20:51 <epsy> yea
20:51 <xfroggy> oh
20:51 <xfroggy> meh
20:51 <epsy> 2 months later or smth :)
20:51 <xfroggy> it should be like world cup ^_^
20:51 <epsy> haha
20:51 <epsy> every 4 year ?
20:51 <xfroggy> well not that long
20:51 <epsy> hi dieing community
20:51 <xfroggy> every like 4 months maybe :D
20:52 <epsy> 4 years ago we did afl
20:52 <epsy> og wait
20:52 <epsy> the game died ?
20:52 <xfroggy> ahaha
20:52 <vinavil> it is the low rubber factor that attracts, the problem is that low rubber game style are fortress, sumo and the new lowest rubber nexus server. it would be interesting to create something new.
20:52 <epsy> vinavil, tigers classic
20:52 <epsy> altrought it always bugs
20:52 <vinavil> and tiger.. yes
20:52 <xfroggy> nexus is the one with 0 rubber?
20:53 <vinavil> yes
20:53 <epsy> 0.1*
20:53 <vinavil> no db, brake little boost
20:53 <xfroggy> tried it last night...i died mostly of the absence of double bind
20:53 <vinavil> hihi
20:53 <xfroggy> :S
20:53 <vinavil> it is a good training
20:53 <xfroggy> not for me anymore :(
20:54 <epsy> you mean, when you press your 2 keys, only one is done ?
20:54 <xfroggy> db for life
20:54 <vinavil> but actually not so funny for normal players
20:54 <vinavil> yes epsy
20:54 <xfroggy> yea epsy
20:54 <epsy> kewl :)
20:54 <xfroggy> lol ^
20:54  * epsy should switch that setting before and after mideling
20:54 <xfroggy> if u used to db, u screwed in there :D goody enjoys it for some reason and keeps winning also ^_^
20:54 <epsy> lol
20:54 <vinavil> i hope we could do something interesting with fts
20:55 <epsy> 6 axis fort!
20:55 <vinavil> we will start in 2 weeks
20:56 <epsy> what do you mean ?
20:56 <vinavil> with the project, fortress test server
20:56 <xfroggy> that sounds familiar
20:56 <epsy> i mean, what do you mean with 'start' :P
20:57 <vinavil> i mean the server will be up and a topic on forums will be dedicated to propose settings and feedbacks
20:57 <xfroggy> i can see rain tweaking all over this
20:57 <vinavil> also i would like to add a FEEDBACK call in game, with log
20:57 <vinavil> hehe
20:58 <epsy> lol
20:58 <vinavil> i am used to crash servers, but they seem to not mind and still love me
20:58 <epsy> haha :P
20:58 <xfroggy> lol
21:02  * epsy should probably get on delirenodelire
21:03 <vinavil> !nodelire
21:03 <epsy> to finish that DAMN module api
21:03 <vinavil> in italian api means bees
21:04 <epsy> haha
21:04 <vinavil> so i imagine epsy in trouble, trying to get some honey
21:04 <epsy> since weeks i'm on that code...i still can't know if the part i wrote actually works
21:04 <epsy> lol x)
21:06 <epsy> so now i need to get on the module-side code
21:06 <epsy> and the IPC itself
21:06 <epsy> *the IPC protocol
21:11 <vinavil> it is everything so clear when you talk
21:11 <epsy> lol :)
21:11 <epsy> you prefer to read my code instead ?
21:12 <vinavil> i'd rather
21:12 <vinavil> oh, the site is back online!
21:12 <vinavil> they finally restored my databse
21:13 <epsy> http://pastebin.ca/777423
21:15 <epsy> ew
21:15 <epsy> found one hehe
21:15 <luke-jr> anyone want 'zaidium.com'? it gets eaten by expire-domain-buyers today or soon
21:16 <epsy> what's zaidium.com ?
21:16 <vinavil> a domain i guess
21:16 <epsy> i mean, what was on there
21:17 <epsy> vinavil, happy ? :p
21:18 <vinavil> since he's offering the domain, the previous content has no relevance, hehe
21:18 <vinavil> anyway i'm happy because my site is up
21:19 <epsy> which is ... ?
21:21 <vinavil> buio.org/phpBB3
21:22 <luke-jr> epsy: some site I hosted
21:53 -!- madmax [n=madmax@] has joined #armagetron
21:53 <madmax> hello
22:02 <madmax> #svn
22:02 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
22:07 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@202.224-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit []
22:11 <cusco> yooo madmax
22:11 <cusco> mekie
22:12 <cusco> o trunk esta partido
22:12 <cusco> oops
22:12 <cusco> trunk is broken
22:12 <cusco> doesn't connect to most servers
22:33 -!- vinavil [n=consulta@85-18-66-26.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #armagetron []
22:53 <madmax> hello cusco
23:11 <epsy> cusco, trunk = zonesv2 = b0rken
23:14 -!- ghableska [i=user@12-216-111-153.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron

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