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Log from 2007-11-01:
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00:01 <luke-jr> lol
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01:57 <spidey> http://www.dynatos.org/project.html
02:34 <luke-jr> looks pointless
02:45 <[CH]DarkStar> very pointless indeed
02:47 <[CH]DarkStar> it has read only  floppy support xD
02:48 <[CH]DarkStar> 'wow'
02:48 <[CH]DarkStar> i think... dos makes more sense than this xD
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03:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 44.2°F (9:08 PM CDT on October 31, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.27 in 991.1 hPa (Rising).
03:05 <ghableska> D:
03:07 <luke-jr> ghableska: HI
03:07 <luke-jr> ltns
03:07 <luke-jr> where've you been
03:08 <ghableska> here
03:17 <ghableska> http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/guantanamo.mp3
03:19 <spidey> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
03:19 <spidey> ascii starwars anyone?
03:20 <ghableska> old
03:20 <spidey> u
03:37 <ghableska> #night
03:37 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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03:58 <ct|kyle> oi
03:59 <ct|kyle> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/10/200-everex-gree.html
04:04 <Lucifer> kyle!
04:04 <ct|kyle> Lucifer:
04:05 <Lucifer> I was going to start a google doc for lunar surface conditions, got an email address you want to privately pass me?
04:07 <ct|kyle> this is funny
04:07 <ct|kyle> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#Specifications
04:08 <Lucifer> done
04:08 <Lucifer> er, started, and you're invited, anyway
04:09 <ct|kyle> btw that was all nasa said
04:10 <Lucifer> about what?  lunar surface conditions?
04:11 <ct|kyle> temperatures
04:11 <Lucifer> oh, about what they used on previous missions?  :)
04:11 <Lucifer> wikipedia is fun :)
04:12 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: are we going to look for water?
04:13 <Lucifer> we can consider what gear we'll need
04:13 <Lucifer> I was thinking we would want to design modular as much as possible, where we can hook up arbitrary sensors to various ports
04:13 <ct|kyle> yes
04:13 <Lucifer> I'm inclined to think they should remove that bonus, but if it's there I'll be happy to compete for it :)
04:14 <ct|kyle> besides prototype should be very basic. and not have everything
04:15 <ct|kyle> people will look at it and try to clone everything it has. that competition i went to we had people from other teams stand and look at our engine for about 15 minutes
04:16 <luke-jr> does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:18 <Lucifer> yeah, well, we'll be doing it to them too :)
04:19 <Lucifer> except the folks who show up without a prototype, but they're already behind us anyway :)
04:19 <luke-jr> #echo does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:19 <armabot> does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:19 <Lucifer> that's an odd thing for armabot to say
04:19 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work stdin
04:19 <armabot> ♪ stdin is obsolete. ♫
04:21 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i'll go ahead and ask NASA for as much information about the moon.
04:22 <Lucifer> can you get some 3d imagery and/or gis data?  :)
04:22 <Lucifer> I'd like to see the terrain and get an idea what we'll have to go over
04:22 <ct|kyle> http://www.google.com/moon/
04:23 <ct|kyle> that helps a bit
04:23 <Lucifer> yeah, a bit.  It's got elevation :)
04:25 <Lucifer> well, we will be dealing with quite some highs and lows
04:26 <ct|kyle> yes
04:26 <Lucifer> we have to be able to deal with it, to some extent.  The delivery system can promise all day and all night to put us on a plateau, and then fail to do so but still put us down operational
04:26 <Lucifer> at which time we'll have to still execute the mission somehow :)
04:27 <Lucifer> I'd like to know the coefficient of friction between rubber and the moon's surface :)
04:27 <Lucifer> *both coefficients of friction
04:28 <Lucifer> we'll be able to build small-scale simulations of pieces of terrain, but we can't simulate a slope that's 4 kilometers long but changes elevation by 6 kilometers
04:28 <Lucifer> not by building a test area
04:33 <Lucifer> you know, I'll bet that if we put two big wheels on the sides and hang the rest in the middle, we'll be able to deal with any terrain :)
04:33 <Lucifer> maybe put spikes on the axel that can turn outward and dig in when extra friction is needed
04:34 <ct|kyle> hmm that probably would be helpful
04:40 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: looks like the best place to land would be where all the Apollo missions landed. it would ensure artifacts found and we can travel between them easly
04:47 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i don't know why you keep going on about this...can't you see no one's interested? ;)
04:48 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: true i just lost interest for sleep
04:49 <ct|kyle> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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04:51 <Lucifer> haha GodTodd (hi there!)
04:51 <Lucifer> well, I think I have to go screw my wife, bbiab
04:52 <Lucifer> hey, there's a task for someone
04:52 <Lucifer> I need to start keeping track of this shit somehow
04:52 <GodTodd> screwing your wife?
04:57 <luke-jr> lol
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07:32 <luke-jr> wee
07:33  * luke-jr has finished rewriting armagetronad-KAD!
07:34 <luke-jr> now with external bot support and a fifo for the webif ☺
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08:48 <luke-jr> wow… IRC is sure dead tonight
08:50 <MrBougo> indeed
08:50 <MrBougo> i wonder why :/
08:51 <luke-jr> MrBougo: want arma hosting? :D
08:52 <MrBougo> can i run a nexuiz server on it? :D
08:52 <luke-jr> eh, maybe
08:52 <luke-jr> got a link?
08:52 <MrBougo> heh just kiddin, i dont want to pay
08:53 <MrBougo> anyway if you want info
08:58 <cusco> yo
08:59 <luke-jr> hi cusco
08:59 <luke-jr> ltns
08:59 <cusco> wa sup
08:59 <cusco> #what is ltns
08:59 <cusco> #ltns
09:00 <cusco> long time no see!
09:00 <cusco> yea... I mooved house.. to a area wich is not covered by cable
09:00 <cusco> nor phone... (until a week ago)
09:01 <cusco> Im going to find how to disable ruby in configure to compile a 8 month old tron :P
09:01 <cusco> This is Armagetron version 0.3_alpha7210.
09:02 <cusco> we are currently in 7364
09:02 <cusco> comits..
09:02 <cusco> or whatever
09:03 <luke-jr> cusco: do you use Gentoo?
09:03 <cusco> no.. debian
09:03 <luke-jr> oh
09:03 <cusco> :(
09:03 <luke-jr> --disable-ruby, IIRC
09:03 <cusco> long time |I don't see a deb package
09:04 <cusco> yes done it
09:04 <luke-jr> I use Debian on my servers
09:05 <luke-jr> but I always custom compile
09:05 <cusco> I custom compile some stuff, but most I just install the pre compiled binarys
09:06 <luke-jr> well, I meant arma :þ
09:06 <cusco> oh
09:06 <cusco> yes so do I :p
09:06 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :D
09:06 <cusco> (there is no armagetronAD .deb anyway)
09:09 <luke-jr> sure there is
09:09 <luke-jr> :o
09:09  * luke-jr ponders copying them to beta.aa.net
09:10 <cusco> well...
09:10 <cusco> there are manny servers out there
09:10 <cusco> I don't need to host one
09:10 <cusco> well there aren't! :P
09:11 <luke-jr> 0.2.8.2.1 is in Debian testing
09:11 <luke-jr> Lenny
09:11 <cusco> yes I use testing
09:11 <cusco> us that 0.2.8?
09:11 <cusco> ahhh
09:11 <cusco> armagetronad
09:11 <cusco> thats new for me
09:11 <cusco> I remember filling out a demand for that :P
09:12 <luke-jr> :þ
09:12 <luke-jr> 0.3.0 is in experimental
09:12 <cusco> aw! cool
09:13 <luke-jr> but 0.3.0 is obsolete too :þ
09:14 <cusco> well the current could become obsolete in the next fime minutes too!
09:14 <cusco> I remember seeing armabot shouting every 5 mins
09:15 <cusco> you look happy
09:15 <cusco> what happened?
09:17 <cusco> what's ruby used for anyway?
09:17 <luke-jr> O.o
09:17 <luke-jr> ruby isn't used for anything really
09:18 <cusco> eek, why depending on it then?
09:18 <luke-jr> it's optional
09:19 <cusco> but... whats the option that uses it?
09:19 <cusco> I mean.. what for?
09:19 <luke-jr> nothing
09:19 <luke-jr> in theory, you could write a Ruby script
09:19 <cusco> *_-
09:19 <luke-jr> but I don't think anyone has
09:19 <cusco> ah.. kk
09:19 <luke-jr> except maybe some examples
09:19 <luke-jr> that crash on me
09:19 <cusco> lol
09:19 <luke-jr> trunk/0.3 isn't supposed to be stable tho
09:20 <cusco> je sais
09:20 <luke-jr> ⁇?
09:20 <cusco> oui
09:20 <luke-jr> wtf
09:20 <cusco> french
09:20 <luke-jr> sux
09:20 <cusco> for yes I know
09:20 <luke-jr> :þ
09:20 <cusco> Im going to get kicked a little in tron
09:21 <luke-jr> :þ
09:22 <cusco> oops my nickname is... "root"
09:23 <cusco> and my keys... argh
09:26 <cusco> cool I can still play
09:31 <luke-jr> …
09:49 <MrBougo> rofl
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11:31 <cusco> (the can still play part was after restarting armagetron as my user, and I just noted that I am still a not-that-skilled player) :-)
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18:33 <guru3> Lucifer: you thar?
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18:33 <Lucifer> yessir
18:33 <Lucifer> did that take you more than 3 seconds to write?  ;)
18:33 <guru3> have you considered a project name?
18:33 <guru3> no
18:34 <Lucifer> tossed some around in my head, but not proposed any
18:34 <guru3> i was thinking Trevor.
18:34 <guru3> but that's just me
18:34 <Lucifer> man, the kid in my statics class I was wanting to recruit didn't show up yesterday
18:34 <Lucifer> why Trevor?
18:34 <guru3> Tron + Rover into a word we recognize
18:34 <Lucifer> heh
18:35 <Lucifer> can name a rover that :)
18:35 <Lucifer> I was thinking more like what's in the future?
18:35 <Lucifer> if we finish this thing and get some portion of the prize, we'll have several million dollars to do something with, what do we do?
18:35 <Lucifer> well, at that point we also have a good relationship with someone who has a lunar launch platform, but there's no money in lunar exploration
18:36 <guru3> i was thinking
18:36 <guru3> that this would be interesting
18:36 <Lucifer> anyway, satellites and orbital installations seem to be the ultimate best direction, looking from where we are now
18:36 <guru3> to use with trying to apply some of the engineering i'm learning
18:36 <guru3> even though it's sort of a different area
18:36 <guru3> you know, terrestial construction vs extra terrestial exploration
18:36 <Lucifer> well, to show we're serious to everybody in the industry, we need a pretentious name
18:36 <guru3> they've both got terrestial in it
18:36 <Lucifer> yes, the problems are all the same, all that's different is g :)
18:37 <guru3> and the fact that it's a moving vehicule
18:37 <guru3> rather than a building
18:37 <guru3> there's a slight scale factor here
18:37 <guru3> of several hundred N
18:37 <guru3> or rather
18:37 <Lucifer> well, lateral movement should require the same energy, it's when we have to go up or down that we'll need less energy
18:37 <guru3> probably about 10^4
18:38 <Lucifer> it would be interesting to get some idea of what the differences really are
18:38 <Lucifer> lunar g is roughly 1/6 of terrestrial g
18:39 <Lucifer> that changes a lot of things.  Changes reaction forces, which means lower friction, but then we have less force to overcome going uphill
18:39 <guru3> the difference between designing buildings and designing robots?
18:39 <guru3> well
18:39 <guru3> i can name a few
18:39 <Lucifer> no, the differences between designing buildings and robots on earth vs the moon
18:39 <guru3> in buildings
18:39 <guru3> about all that would change
18:39 <guru3> would be the selfweight of stuctural members
18:39 <guru3> and variable loading
18:40 <Lucifer> we just covered trusses in my statics class :)
18:40 <Lucifer> and frames, and simple machines.  I have to do homework on all that now
18:40 <guru3> neat-o
18:40 <guru3> we're about to go into resolving the forces in the members of statically indeterminate trusses
18:41 <Lucifer> hmm, that's kind of rolled in, since we talked about statically indeterminate situations for rigid bodies already, and now we're doing trusses
18:41 <Lucifer> probably just a case of the material being presented differently, and around christmastime we'll know all the same stuff at the same time :)
18:42 <guru3> so you've got your EI & co?
18:42 <Lucifer> I think friction is next
18:42 <Lucifer> El?
18:42 <guru3> i not l
18:42 <guru3> E = youngs modulus I = second moment of area
18:42 <guru3> helps relate the stiffness and the geometry of your member
18:43 <guru3> so that you can resolve the forces in statically indeterminate situations
18:43 <guru3> or something like that
18:43 <Lucifer> ah, no.  that sounds like something in a materials class
18:43 <Lucifer> I'll look it up, we do have a material unit in this class
18:43 <guru3> well you can't resolve statically indeterminate situations without i don't think
18:43 <Lucifer> we just did the first moment of area on the last test
18:44 <guru3> because like... how else do you know how the stresses in the material transmit
18:44 <Lucifer> aha, I see where you're going with that.  We haven't tried to resolve statically indeterminate situations, we've just tried to identify them
18:44 <guru3> ahhh
18:44 <guru3> yes, degrees of freedom
18:45 <Lucifer> it doesn't look like we're going to resolve them.  This is the first engineering course for me, since engineering physics is just physics with calculus it doesn't count
18:46 <Lucifer> I was wrong, next is beams and cables, and we'll talk about internal forces in members then
18:46 <guru3> cool
18:46 <Lucifer> right now we're treating the truss members as having no mass so we can resolve the pins
18:46 <guru3> have to compare notes everynow and then
18:47 <guru3> so i can see how they do it in the us
18:47 <Lucifer> if we assume that your class is comparable to mine, we have to end up with most of the same information :)
18:48 <Lucifer> but it's possible they've rearranged the whole sequence so that we have to take several successive classes before we're at the same level of knowledge
18:48 <Lucifer> I've noticed that in comparing calculus sequences with other kids in here
18:48 <guru3> i'm not even sure how comparable our courses are
18:48 <guru3> what are you aiming for again?
18:48 <Lucifer> at the end, we've all covered the same stuff and taken the same amount of classes, but along the way we're doing different things
18:48 <guru3> (or have you ever mentioned it?)
18:48 <Lucifer> I'm after aerospace engineering
18:49 <guru3> right, slightly different
18:49 <Lucifer> I'll get an AS in Engineering this spring, hopefully, that I might use to get a job while I'm finishing my BS
18:49 <guru3> i'm guessing you probably won't be doing any geotechnical engineering
18:49 <Lucifer> ah, no.  :)
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18:49 <guru3> and relatively little hydraulics
18:49 <Lucifer> but this kind of project, this rover here, needs a lot of cross-discipline stuff
18:50 <guru3> i'm just not sure of it comes into my field of study
18:50 <guru3> (rather than my hobby field)
18:50 <Lucifer> how much does it matter?  :)  Seems like, from the title anyway, geotechnical engineering is going to be needed to be able to build structures on the moon and mars and shit
18:50 <Lucifer> there's a real problem with how the material is taught all the way around
18:50 <Lucifer> take civil engineering.  Highways and shit, right?
18:51 <guru3> well, we've not really gone in that direction yet
18:51 <Lucifer> Very earth-centric, because we only build "highways and shit" on earth
18:51 <guru3> but vaugely
18:51 <guru3> we're in a very vauge area
18:51 <Lucifer> but the only people who've studied physical situations elsewhere are in aerospace engineering, or theoretical physics
18:52 <guru3> by vauge area
18:52 <Lucifer> so your civil engineer on the moon is going to have to either be exceptionally flexible, or go back to school to take classes outside of his field to get the level of thinking he needs
18:52 <guru3> i meant in my study, we're only just getting to the most basic of applications
18:52 <Lucifer> where is headed in the long term?
18:52 <Lucifer> this rover could take several years to complete, and we might all have graduated before it's done :)
18:52 <guru3> hmm
18:53 <guru3> that's a good question
18:53 <guru3> definetely structural engineering will be covered
18:53 <guru3> and water/wastewater sewer design sort of stuff, ecological side of civeng
18:53 <Lucifer> that's a basic engineering class, after all :)
18:53 <guru3> geotechnics
18:53 <guru3> for things like foundations
18:54 <Lucifer> man, if we get far enough to go into where this project naturally leads, you'll be a good fit
18:54 <Lucifer> just worry about when/if you'll be able to make a time commitment as the project progresses :)
18:55 <guru3> it's still relatively easy to read what's being posted
18:55 <Lucifer> not asking for one right now, as I said, but there's no way around eventually having to do a dedication check for eerybody
18:55 <guru3> and comment on the stuff
18:55 <guru3> things like the radiation effects on flash memory
18:55 <guru3> while inside my area of hobby, is not regular engineering
18:55 <guru3> that's more EE if anything
18:56 <Lucifer> yeah, I asked the EE I know who's fairly current and he said he didn't think he'd have time.  I'm going to hit him up to participate in discussions at least, so he can steer us amateur EEs away from the wrong directions
18:56 <guru3> i know an EE
18:56 <Lucifer> I'm going to hit up my dad, who was also EE, but is a decade or more out of date
18:56 <guru3> who's on the same year of study i am
18:56 <guru3> that lives in the house
18:56 <Lucifer> hit him up!  :)  That's the one thing we're really short on, I think
18:57 <guru3> may do
18:57 <Lucifer> by cutting out the rover in particular, we've taken out most of the really tricky physics and engineering, but we're going to have to design circuits sooner or later
18:57 <Lucifer> and then build them
18:57 <Lucifer> I'm also curious how we can test any radiation shielding we come up with
18:58 <guru3> yeah
18:58 <guru3> that could be tricky
18:58 <guru3> i was thinking alluminum foil
18:58 <guru3> (for the shoestring budget rover)
18:58 <Lucifer> I was thinking of seeing if some nuke reactor will let us move a prototype around the core
18:58 <guru3> errr yeah
18:58 <guru3> probably not
18:59 <Lucifer> to build an actual model to send up, we'll need real money at some point, but if we can show the software chain working and a good prototype, we should be able to get some outside funding
18:59 <guru3> to be honest
18:59 <Lucifer> we can do the software chain and prototype on our dime, I think :)
18:59 <guru3> i just like the interesting problems
18:59 <guru3> usually
18:59 <guru3> if i can figure out a way to solve them
19:00 <Lucifer> well, our main problem that I can see is surviving the launch.  Physical problem, anyway.  Radiation is next, heating/cooling is next.
19:00 <Lucifer> the rest is programming, and we've got plenty of that particular skill around here
19:01 <guru3> oh yes one thing in particular
19:01 <guru3> that should be made clear
19:01 <guru3> is all units in SI
19:01 <guru3> N, M, etc
19:01 <Lucifer> I figure carmack took regular programming strategies to aerospace engineering, and we'll take open source programming strategies to ae :)
19:01 <guru3> none of this feet and lbs cock and bull
19:01 <Lucifer> yes, SI all the way, as far as i'm concerned
19:02 <Lucifer> we might have to compromise if we get a launch partner that uses those substandard units (don't tell wrtl I said that!), but internally we'll use all SI
19:02 <Lucifer> I thought that was pretty obvious.  :)
19:02 <guru3> you think it would be
19:02 <guru3> but i'm sure i've read about a probe or two that's cocked up because of it
19:02 <Lucifer> we're not nasa!
19:02 <Lucifer> we're not going to be nasa!
19:02 <guru3> personally i think the trickiest bit will be landing on the moon
19:03 <Lucifer> yep, which is going to take significant resources
19:03 <Lucifer> I don't think a small company can do both the delivery system and the rover
19:03 <Lucifer> a large company can, but what are they going to do with the prize?  For a company large enough to do all of it, the prize isn't worth getting
19:03 <guru3> the next trickiest bit will be movement
19:04 <guru3> specifically, obstacles
19:04 <Lucifer> well, instead of working on either my homework or the plan I mentioned, I've been researching lunar terrain :/
19:04 <guru3> rocks in the way and craters
19:04 <guru3> oh and lunar dust
19:04 <guru3> highly electrostatically charged i've heard
19:04 <guru3> due to solar radiation
19:04 <Lucifer> no wind, the only dust we should have to worry about is our own
19:04 <guru3> gotta make sure dust in the works isn't going to be an issue
19:04 <Lucifer> yep
19:05 <Lucifer> I figure we need to test in several earthly locations for a lot of things
19:05 <guru3> yeah i'm really quite noobish with this it seems
19:05 <Lucifer> one of those locations I want to test in is going to be White Sands National monument :)
19:05 <Lucifer> see if nasa has a simulated lunar facility they'd let us use
19:06 <Lucifer> since, like it or not, nasa are the current experts on lunar terrain :(
19:06 <guru3> that... could be in the future
19:06 <Lucifer> white sands is down the road a bit, it's a viable testing location as long as I've got a test model in my house
19:06 <Lucifer> but we'll have to see, we have to be well past lego prototypes before such testing is worthwhile
19:06 <guru3> yeah
19:07 <Lucifer> I can find all sorts of good obstacle courses in central texas for testing movement and stuff :)
19:07 <guru3> i like legos though
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19:08 <guru3> i've just come up with a moderately interesting idea for a design
19:08 <guru3> doesn't seem very feasible though
19:10 <Lucifer> well, we're probably not going to be able to avoid certain aspects of the design and can start coding for them immediately
19:10 <guru3> my coding is probably not up to snuff
19:10 <Lucifer> the differential torques is one, turns out the lunar rovers nasa built and drove around in use that
19:10 <guru3> for piloting an autonomous or semi autonomous robot
19:10 <Lucifer> the coding problem is a bit larger than that :)
19:11 <Lucifer> sure, that's what it boils down to, but consider what all needs to be written to do all that
19:11 <guru3> i do
19:12 <guru3> and that's when i'm glad i'm in civeng
19:12 <Lucifer> heh
19:12 <guru3> the problems are still difficult
19:12 <guru3> but they're more tactile
19:12 <Lucifer> there's also thousands of years of experimental data
19:13 <guru3> *whistles*
19:13 <Lucifer> I think you could make a worthwhile contribution to the rover if you get into it, but it's up to you how much you want to participate :)
19:14 <Lucifer> I'm actually very sad that armagetron doesn't have a physics engine that we could use for this
19:14 <guru3> i
19:14 <guru3> shall keep my eye on it yet
19:14 <guru3> and see if there's a place that looks interesting
19:16 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to go back over the thread and think aobut it some and start in on the plan I mentioned
19:16 <Lucifer> try to have something in place before the kids get out of school
19:16 <Lucifer> hey, can we have a forum for this?
19:16 <guru3> a subforum?
19:16 <Lucifer> yeah
19:16 <guru3> or a genuine forum?
19:16 <Lucifer> subforum :)
19:17 <guru3> possibly
19:17 <guru3> if you need to start another thread on it
19:17 <Lucifer> I think we're going to need multiple threads to talk about different parts of the problem
19:18 <Lucifer> we don't need them yet, but might be a few days, might be a few months, we'll need them eventually
19:18 <guru3> just keep in mind that moving out
19:18 <guru3> would be exceedingly difficult
19:18 <Lucifer> it's not my intention to move out :)
19:18 <guru3> ok
19:18 <Lucifer> we'll move out if we have to, but as long as nobody minds us being there....  ;)
19:19 <guru3> well we do have plenty of bandwith
19:19 <guru3> for about another 15 months i think
19:19 <guru3> before i have to pay again
19:39 <Lucifer> yay, my dad's interested, but he has to think it over and talk it over with my mom
19:39 <Lucifer> means he's pretty much in, and he was a EE in the air force for several decades :)
19:39 <guru3> cool
19:39 <guru3> amazing the team you can put together online
19:41 <Lucifer> heh
19:41 <Lucifer> let's hope this bet that the open source development model will work for this project works out :)
19:42 <Lucifer> if my dad jumps on board, our chances of successfully completing this project will go up dramatically
19:42 <Lucifer> it's not just his work in the air force (which includes a lot of time on the F-15 simulator and later the F-117a simulator)
19:42 <Lucifer> he was on the team that engineered the former, then ran the team that maintained the latter, iirc
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19:43 <Lucifer> he's got iso certifications out the wazoo
19:48 <guru3> viva
19:48 <guru3> iso
19:48 <guru3> and sorry for my delayed responses
19:48 <guru3> switched windows in irssi and totally forgot to switch back
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20:09 <luke-jr> wait-- you're making the moon rover a light cycle⁇
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20:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: :)
21:06 <Lucifer> :)
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21:11 <GodTodd> #last --from guru3 --with geometry
21:11 <armabot> GodTodd: [18:43:23] <guru3> helps relate the stiffness and the geometry of your member
21:11 <GodTodd> heh ehehhe hehe
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21:39 <Lucifer> he said member
21:39 <Lucifer> so, I emailed my bro, we'll see what he says (my bro in kansas, not the idiot in new mexico)
21:43 <guru3> cool
21:44 <guru3> and way to take stuff out of context, GodTodd
21:44 <Lucifer> he's obsessed with members
21:44 <Lucifer> too bad he's going into electronics, not much membering to be done over there
21:46 <Lucifer> hey, noteable kde update in gusty
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21:54 <GodTodd> guru3: that's what i do best ;)
21:54 <guru3> -_-
21:55 <GodTodd> [22:55] <Lucifer> well, I think I have to go screw my wife, bbiab
21:55 <GodTodd> [22:56] <Lucifer> hey, there's a task for someone
21:55 <GodTodd> that's another one :)
21:55 <Lucifer> why is adept telling me a new distribution is available?
21:55 <guru3> Oo
21:55 <Lucifer> what distribution does it think I'm running?
21:57 <GodTodd> i think sysinfo tells you
21:58 <Lucifer> GodTodd: worse, I forgot what the actual task was
21:58 <GodTodd> maybe not
21:58 <GodTodd> hrmmm
21:59 <Lucifer> nah, sysinfo is useless
22:00 <guru3> anyway
22:00 <guru3> i'm afk
22:02 <GodTodd> cat /etc/issue
22:02 <GodTodd> that tells you
22:02 <GodTodd> todd@todd-laptop:~$ cat /etc/issue
22:02 <GodTodd> Ubuntu 7.10 \n \l
22:03 <Lucifer> same here
22:03 <Lucifer> weird
22:03 <GodTodd> bah...i think i pulled a muscle coughing
22:03 <GodTodd> Lucifer: just means adept sucks :)
22:04 <Lucifer> yeah, I already knew that
22:04 <Lucifer> actually, the upgraded version is coming along nicely
22:04 <GodTodd> i haven't tried the one in .10
22:04 <GodTodd> 7.10*
22:04 <Lucifer> I need to remember to take my moon map to work tonight
22:05 <GodTodd> also haven't upgraded tommy's laptop to 7.10 yet
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22:14 <Lucifer> heya Fonkay
22:14 <Fonkay> heya me
22:14 <Lucifer> you should change your name to Fonkey, so it more clearly rhymes with monkey
22:15 <Fonkay> whassup luci, enjoy your day?
22:15 <Lucifer> well of course!  I enjoy evvery day!
22:15 <Lucifer> even the days I don't enjoy
22:15 <Lucifer> you?
22:15 <Fonkay> well fonkay is already a long ways off from it's original, so I'm sure the e wouldn
22:15 <Fonkay> 't change much
22:15 <GodTodd> the older you get the more you enjoy the fact that you simply woke up :)
22:15 <Lucifer> I'm not that old yet, grandpa
22:16 <Fonkay> I've high as a kite from work, so my day was alright
22:16 <GodTodd> nor am i, but we'll get there
22:16 <GodTodd> unless bush manages to get elected again somehow
22:16 <GodTodd> Fonkay works in a marijuana field?
22:16 <Lucifer> he is constitutionally forbidden, because he's held the office for too long
22:17 <GodTodd> he was constitutionally forbidden from listening to phone calls for no good reason too
22:17 <GodTodd> didn't stop him
22:17 <Lucifer> constitution says nothing about phones
22:17 <GodTodd> sure it does
22:17 <Lucifer> that's part of the problem
22:17 <GodTodd> my copy does anyway
22:18 <Lucifer> well, maybe an amendment does, I haven't read the amendments in a long time
22:18 <Fonkay> Fonkay used highly toxic stain all day
22:18 <GodTodd> nah...but it's part of the unreasonable search and seizure thing
22:18 <Lucifer> so I say, and so you say, but there's a court whose job it is to decide
22:19 <GodTodd> and they did
22:19 <GodTodd> that's why they killed part of the patriot act
22:19 <GodTodd> like 3 things in it the sup court took away
22:19 <Fonkay> I say fuck politics.
22:19 <Lucifer> yeah, well, it's not illegal until you get caught
22:19 <GodTodd> and sometimes not the
22:19 <GodTodd> n
22:19 <GodTodd> depends on your bank account :)
22:20 <GodTodd> fuck the flu
22:20 <GodTodd> :/
22:21 <Fonkay> ugh, i hate codecs.
22:22 <GodTodd> yay!
22:22 <GodTodd> my physics assignment isn't due till tomorrow night noe
22:23 <GodTodd> now*
22:25 <luke-jr> #echo civ 2.1 anyone?
22:25 <armabot> civ 2.1 anyone?
22:25 <Fonkay> boooo
22:26 <Lucifer> no civ!  I have a new pursuit
22:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: cat /etc/*-release
22:27 <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer: we can enable spacerace
22:27 <armabot> Lucifer: we can enable spacerace
22:27 <Lucifer> you can also play with ais
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22:30 <Fonkay> so did anyone do anything fun for halloween? maybe i can live through someone else
22:31 <Lucifer> nah, I went to my martial arts class
22:31 <Lucifer> got an A on my second statics test, though
22:31 <Lucifer> because I ROCK!
22:31 <Lucifer> really, I do
22:31 <Fonkay> hehe
22:31 <Fonkay> which martial art?
22:31 <Lucifer> weapons?
22:31 <Lucifer> it's aikido-based, working with a jo
22:31 <Fonkay> oh
22:32 <luke-jr> Fonkay: I took my daughter around the block
22:32 <Fonkay> wait.. you have kids?
22:32 <noob7> what was the character to do a line brake in the .cfg (msg of day etc.) again?
22:32 <Lucifer> my kids went trick or treating and stuff
22:33 <luke-jr> Fonkay: 2
22:33 <Lucifer> \n?
22:33 <Lucifer> \n              ?
22:33 <noob7> ah, that might be it.. thx
22:33 <Lucifer> Fonkay: I took my kids to the XPrize Cup this weekend, and missed some school to do it, so I went to school for devil day
22:34 <Lucifer> my kids didn't mind, they spent the whole weekend with me :)
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22:34 <Fonkay> sounds like more fun than what i did on the weekend, or for halloween, so yay
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22:35 <GodTodd> luke-jr condones trick or treating?
22:35  * GodTodd is shocked.
22:35 <Lucifer> does he really?
22:36 <Lucifer> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
22:36 <armabot> Lucifer: [22:33:30] <luke-jr> Fonkay: 2, [22:32:57] <luke-jr> Fonkay: I took my daughter around the block, [22:27:40] <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer: we can enable spacerace, [22:27:09] <luke-jr> Lucifer: cat /etc/*-release, [22:25:39] <luke-jr> #echo civ 2.1 anyone?, [20:10:15] <luke-jr> wait-- you're making the moon rover a light cycle⁇, [09:31:48] <luke-jr> …, [09:22:16] <luke-jr> :þ, [09:20:44] (15 more messages)
22:36 <noob7> both /n and \n dont work ... weird
22:36 <Lucifer> man, what's awesome about halloween is that even luke-jr worships satan for a day
22:36 <GodTodd> it's not satanic :P
22:36 <GodTodd> it's pagan
22:36 <Lucifer> sure it is
22:37 <Lucifer> it's not christian, so by definition it's evil devil-worshipping crap
22:37 <Lucifer> you need to read your bible, old man!
22:37 <GodTodd> oh...that's right
22:37 <GodTodd> that's how i'm a satanist
22:37 <Lucifer> yep
22:37 <GodTodd> just cuz i'm not xtian :)
22:37 <Lucifer> same with Fonkay (hi there!)
22:38 <GodTodd> of course, i could go into a whole dissertation on all the "xtian" holidays that are really pagan ( but i won't ) :)
22:38 <Fonkay> i need to read my bible? or i'm a satanist?
22:38 <GodTodd> both
22:38 <GodTodd> you heathen
22:38 <Lucifer> nah, why bother?  It's a geocentric world with a copernican worldview
22:38 <luke-jr> All Hallows Eve is not satanic nor pagan
22:38 <GodTodd> :)
22:38 <Lucifer> galileo was right, catholics are dumb
22:38 <GodTodd> and in 300 years they'll admit it
22:38 <GodTodd> ;)
22:39 <Fonkay> oh dear, why is it that every time i'm in here there's a religion fight?
22:39 <GodTodd> no fight
22:39 <GodTodd> i see agreement
22:39 <GodTodd> :)
22:39 <luke-jr> and today is All Hallows Day
22:39 <luke-jr> ☺
22:39 <Lucifer> yeah, no fight
22:39 <luke-jr> hence why I need to get ready for church in a bit
22:39 <Lucifer> actually, it's more like whenever you come in here, you spark conversation
22:39 <Lucifer> and 99% of the conversation here is about how dumb luke-jr is
22:40 <Lucifer> that's probably what you're seeing
22:40 <luke-jr> except it's really Lucifer and co that are dumb ☺
22:41 <GodTodd> yeah...i think it *was* better with luke-jr on my ignore list....not sure how he got off of it
22:41 <GodTodd> oh...yeah...i've switched laptops since then :)
22:42 <luke-jr> yeah, ignore me so I can insult you behind your back easier ☺
22:42 <Lucifer> he reminded me last night to put him on my ignore list
22:43 <GodTodd> he has a way of doing that
22:43 <GodTodd> heh
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22:43 <Lucifer> heya gender ender
22:43 <ender> haha hey
22:43 <Lucifer> when's my wife supposed to be home?
22:43  * Lucifer mutters
22:44 <GodTodd> mine's supposed to be home in about 10 minutes
22:44 <ender> *going through a divorce
22:44 <Lucifer> man, that sucks
22:44 <GodTodd> the boys have gymnastics at 5:30
22:44 <ender> yeh pretty much
22:45 <luke-jr> divorce is impossible
22:45 <GodTodd> i went through what amounted to a divorce without the property a few years ago
22:45 <GodTodd> not fun :/
22:45 <Lucifer> I tried to divorce my weiner, but my wife wouldn't let me
22:45 <ender> yep thats what going down right now pretty much
22:45 <ender> hah
22:45 <GodTodd> tho, in the end, i won, so that was good
22:45 <Lucifer> ender: got any kids stuck in the middle?
22:46 <GodTodd> wow...attack of the killer commas
22:46 <ender> nope
22:46 <GodTodd> mine was all about custody
22:46 <ender> thankfully
22:46 <GodTodd> and moving
22:46 <ender> sucks
22:46 <Lucifer> ender: *phew*, that's good.  You can hate her for fucking you over, but fucking over the kids is just about a killing offense
22:46  * GodTodd agrees.
22:46 <ender> me too
22:47 <GodTodd> tho, my ex hasn't exercised her visitation at all
22:47 <ender> lame
22:47 <GodTodd> she hasn't seen our son since november of....04 i think
22:47 <ender> thats terrible
22:47 <GodTodd> yep
22:48 <ender> hey lucifer which server are you usually on? i never see you
22:48 <Lucifer> ender: that's because I never play
22:48 <Lucifer> no 3d acceleration
22:48 <Lucifer> I blame ubuntu
22:48 <ender> ah i see
22:48 <ender> hah
22:48 <GodTodd> i wonder if my 3d works on this laptop
22:48 <GodTodd> it's not the xpress card now
22:48 <ender> well thanks for developing things
22:49 <luke-jr> #echo I have no 3D acceleration because this laptop only has 32 MB video RAM-- but I can still play with software rendering just fine
22:49 <armabot> I have no 3D acceleration because this laptop only has 32 MB video RAM-- but I can still play with software rendering just fine
22:49 <Lucifer> that's because you're a tradcath, and you'll settle for anything
22:49 <GodTodd> wow...armabot got a lappy?
22:49 <Lucifer> some of us have standards, however
22:49 <GodTodd> what a nice gift from wrtlprnft
22:49 <ender> hahah
22:50 <Lucifer> and let's face it, real life is better than low quality armagetron
22:50 <GodTodd> real life?
22:50 <ender> yeh i agree
22:50 <GodTodd> whassat?
22:50 <ender> hehe
22:50 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :þ
22:50 <GodTodd> oh...it's that place i go between stints at the computer, eh?
22:51 <Lucifer> yeah, you know, where your wife lives and your kid has gymnastics
22:51 <GodTodd> to piss and shit and eat and shit
22:51 <ender> and shit..
22:52 <GodTodd> real life sucks....it gave me the flu (and shit)...my computer doesn't give me virii
22:52 <ender> funny
22:52 <ender> so you have the flu now?
22:52 <GodTodd> i think so
22:53 <ender> oh man im sorry that sucks and shit
22:53 <GodTodd> self diagnosed...officiall diagnosis is "i feel like shit (and shit)
22:53 <GodTodd> "
22:53 <GodTodd> :)
22:53 <ender> XD
22:53 <GodTodd> oh... Lucifer...did i tell you i'm a fancy schmancy artiste now?
22:53 <GodTodd> heh
22:54 <GodTodd> have a showing and everything
22:54 <GodTodd> :D
22:54 <ender> thats cool
22:54 <GodTodd> heh...it's a collage i did for a pain in the ass humanities class that took me a few hours in gimp
22:55 <ender> hehe
22:55 <GodTodd> she seemed to like it tho...and if someone pays a hunnerd bucks they can take the shit and shit
22:56 <GodTodd> if i were joe, i'da used mspaint and ask a thousand
22:56 <GodTodd> heh
22:56 <ender> ms paint :)
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00:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I remembered an electrical engineer I know that I haven't asked, and a lady that works in geology here at the school and emailed them both :)
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00:59 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer_arma
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> heya KYLE
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> damn mac keyboard
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> alright, no more fooling around, we need a plan now!  :)
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I just hit up my physics teacher, and he doesn't want to participate, just wants credit, heh ;)
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to get a mac mouse to quit slowing down?
01:04 <ct|kyle> i hate mac
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's what we've got at school
01:04 <ct|kyle> heh
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I'm trained for a mouse that doesn't slow down
01:05 <ct|kyle> i'm not sure only used macs a few times
01:05 <spidey> "mouse that slows down"  <--wtf?
01:06 <ct|kyle> its a mac <-- WTF
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, when I get near to where I'm wanting to click, I naturally slow the mouse down myself, right?  The mac, figuring I'm getting close, reduces the sensitivity when it sees that to make it easier to hit the target button
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, my linux box doesn't do that, so I'm not used to it
01:07 <spidey> that's retarded
01:07 <ct|kyle> that's a mac
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> it just sounds retarded, something tells me I'd love it if I were used to it
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> but I"m not, so I hate it
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> what's a general word for drivetrain that's not drivetrain?
01:08 <ct|kyle> its some speed control setting. I herd about it once before
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> something that can apply to rocket engines, propellers, etc.
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> and also electric motors
01:08 <spidey> flywheel? O.o
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> nah, flywheel is a specific device
01:09 <ct|kyle> ya what Lucifer said
01:09 <ct|kyle> shaft?
01:09 <ct|kyle> Drive shaft>
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> no, more general, like motivation, method of motion, that sort of thing
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> to describe a system
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet I mentioned it in that thread somewhere
01:10 <ct|kyle> heh
01:10 <ct|kyle> ya
01:10 <ct|kyle> we should not go with 2 wheel
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01:11 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  The advantage I see to 2 wheels is that if we get on a slope and can't stop, we can just roll down
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> with the right tires, we can bounce and flip and all sorts of stuff and still land upright
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> it'd be like a cat
01:12 <ct|kyle> 3 wheel can be more efficient for gas mileage and power usage. it is also plenty stable but i still think 4 are the best
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> of course, with treads, we could still get near the same thing
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> ah hell, we need to simulate them and see what looks best
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> chances are very good there aren't significant code issues here, so we can still start coding knowing that we're building either wheeled or treaded
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> and we need to build the simulator first anyway :)
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> have you looked at ODE yet?
01:13 <ct|kyle> oh i looked into NASA's open source robot software
01:13 <ct|kyle> i really have not looked at ODE
01:14 <ct|kyle> i just wanted to see other possibilities first
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> there's another one, but I"m having trouble making heads or tails of how to use it, BRL-CAD
01:14 <ct|kyle> http://claraty.jpl.nasa.gov/man/overview/index.php
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I don't think we can really look at other possibilities without simulating anything :)
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> until then, we're just discussing might-bes
01:15 <ct|kyle> Gps i am fairly sure that will only work on the earth.
01:16 <ct|kyle> the way it is set up. just from what my physics teacher told me.
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure about that too, and really the purpose of computing our position is to sanity check what we know from dead reckoning
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I think we can triangulate on a unit we leave at the base is because we can put two antennas on the base unit
01:17 <ct|kyle> or 3 it would be more acurite
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be accurate for a distance, we might throw in some extensions to increase the distance
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> right, you get the idea :)
01:18 <ct|kyle> as long as we  know the distance between all 2 or 3 we can tell exactly where we are from the base
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> if we can compute our position relative to some fixed point, we can sanity check our dead reckoning
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01:19 <Lucifer_arma> obviously having the ability to determine the locations of nearby objects would also be very helpful
01:19 <ct|kyle> maybe i should contact my old physics teacher. He would probably be helpful
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> basic surveying work, really, if we can, as jonathan pointed out, know the precise direction the camera is pointing
01:19 <ct|kyle> Sonar would not work correct
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> radar would work, but I don't have any idea if we can get one small enough that gives enough useful range and has minimal power requirements
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01:20 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 50.7°F (7:23 PM CDT on November 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.16 in 987.4 hPa (Steady).
01:21 <ct|kyle> if we have enough solar panels we should be fine
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, but we still have to minimize mass so we can ride a delivery system someone builds :)
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> drive system is close to the word I"m looking for
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> propulsion, that's it
01:22 <ct|kyle> ah
01:23 <ct|kyle> I'm thinking about the landing system that nasa used for mars most recent bot
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> drop it on a pillow?
01:25 <ct|kyle> basically Air balloons surrounding it
01:26 <ct|kyle> we need to have a mechanism to flip it back over, just in case
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01:32 <QUARG> hello all
01:32 <ct|kyle> QUARG: oi
01:34 <QUARG> i dont see any talking ;)
01:34 <GodTodd> #last --nolimit
01:34 <armabot> GodTodd: [01:34:38] <QUARG> i dont see any talking ;), [01:33:01] <ct|kyle> QUARG: oi, [01:32:54] <QUARG> hello all, [01:26:59] <ct|kyle> we need to have a mechanism to flip it back over, just in case, [01:25:35] <ct|kyle> basically Air balloons surrounding it, [01:24:44] <Lucifer_arma> drop it on a pillow?, [01:24:17] <ct|kyle> I'm thinking about the landing system that nasa used for mars most recent (50 more messages)
01:34 <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: you are also correct about the grease and whatnot, i know once grease is frozen it does not come back into the same forum
01:35 <QUARG> just dont use grease
01:35 <QUARG> use phenolic and bakelite berings
01:35 <GodTodd> don't they use a silicon based lubricant or smth?
01:36 <QUARG> phenolic is a resin based plastic
01:36 <ct|kyle> we really should consider it being an element and not a compound, because heating and cooling makes compounds well into differnt mixtures
01:36 <QUARG> i think that it has a lubricant that is extruded
01:37 <QUARG> by the phenolic which in its self is heat resistant
01:38 <QUARG> i posted a link to the breakdown of the mars rover in the topic
01:38 <ct|kyle> what about cold temperatures. will part of it freeze before anotehr part?
01:38 <ct|kyle> i saw the link
01:39 <QUARG> well the bering seems to be made completely of the same compound race and ball.
01:39 <QUARG> i would have to see how it resists to cold. o and also it is non conductive
01:39 <QUARG> which makes it a good insulator
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01:40 <QUARG> as for reversing the rover i was looking at legged bots
01:41 <QUARG> spider like
01:41 <ct|kyle> how not just turn the motors in reverse?
01:41 <QUARG> they were interesting because when it flips over all you have to do is reverse the legs
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> legged bots will make programming way difficult
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> not necessarily out of reach, but really tricky
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'd almost prefer to go to a pogo-stick powered bot
01:42 <ct|kyle> i think a lever arm mounted on top of the bot would be easiest to flip it over
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> a two-wheel bot would just move out from wherever it landed :)
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> we can probably achieve nearly the same effect with treads, depending on how we hang the body on the treads
01:43 <QUARG> and if its a wheeld vehicle just make it so that the tires are large enough so that it can run upside dwon
01:43 <QUARG> like a segway
01:43 <ct|kyle> we could use legs that rotate around but mount wheels on them
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> that'll raise our center of mass quite a bit, could affect how we transit terrain
01:44 <QUARG> but wouldnt the lower gravity make it difficult for wheeled vehicles?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> it does have the advantage of letting us just raise up the bot to go over rough terrain we'd otherwise have to go around
01:44 <QUARG> did you see the bot link i posted?
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> if it's only got two wheels, and they share the axis of rotation, we can make the center of mass lower than the axis of rotation and the body will always be oriented correctly
01:45 <ct|kyle> with gravity being less on the moon are center of gravity will already be higher there than in testing locations
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> center of mass doesn't change, only the force due to gravity :)
01:46 <ct|kyle> Center of gravity
01:46 <QUARG> the only thing that i find unreliable about 2 wheels is that if you get stuck you have no way to offset the center of gravity to get out of the hole
01:46 <ct|kyle> not center of mass
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's going to affect friction quite a bit, since friction is directly proportional to the reaction force of the surface
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01:46 <QUARG> exacty
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, center of mass, center of gravity, not much difference
01:47 <QUARG> i saw a snake bot that was interesting
01:47 <QUARG> :)
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, they're the same thing, and will be in the same location here as on the moon as in orbit, etc
01:47 <ct|kyle> i finaly see your 2 wheel idea Lucifer
01:48 <QUARG> but 2 wheels arent very efficient at getting over obsticles
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> no they're not, that's why we need to know what the terrain actually looks like
01:48 <ct|kyle> Sipked wheels
01:48 <QUARG> true
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> the terrain in the photos the apollo guys took looks fine
01:48 <ct|kyle> I sent Nasa a request for information
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's also the idea of putting spikes not directly on the wheels, but where we can fold them out when we need it
01:49 <QUARG> spikes lower your contact area and tend to slip more
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's true for solid surfaces, the moon is covered by a layer of packed dust
01:49 <ct|kyle> looking at google maps the terrain for Apollo was the flap part of the moon
01:49 <QUARG> on hard surfaces
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> they mostly landed in maries, but it was still dusty
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> lots of pictures of footprints left in the dust :)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> *marias
01:50 <QUARG> if their real.:)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we'll have to find that one out, won't we?  ;)
01:50 <QUARG> i call shotgun
01:50 <ct|kyle> we need to make the first Lunar web site
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> send up a website on the rover?
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> let people connect to it?  ;)
01:51 <ct|kyle> heh
01:51 <ct|kyle> would be a first
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of sending up an arma server and running the afl championship for that season on it
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> at least everybody will have equal pings
01:51 <QUARG> i was wondering about the simulator
01:51 <QUARG> lol
01:52 <ct|kyle> maybe change the quality of an image to 8 bit have it update daily and post it on a site
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> we need to get a simulator that has ideal conditions on a mockup robot and start coding movement and navigation
01:52 <QUARG> are you talking about a physical rover test or in a software?
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> er, yes
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> software first, because we can do that now
01:52 <QUARG> ok then ill let you do that part.
01:52 <ct|kyle> AFL's moon server
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> physical tests using available fields and shit
01:53 <QUARG> dark side of the moon
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> at some point we should be able to secure a lot of funding, when we'll have to worry about building or acquiring access to a good lunar surface simulator
01:53 <ct|kyle> if we start programming and designing we can get founding fairly easly.
01:54 <ct|kyle> but we need to have a solid plan that we can present well
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> quarg: you could work on finding out what materials are available, prices, specs (temperature range, thermal expansion, density, shear, etc)
01:54 <ct|kyle> then thee founding will come
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> yep, working on it right now
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, the funding has to be 90% private
01:54 <QUARG> will do
01:55 <QUARG> did you see how much the mars rover devel cost?
01:55 <ct|kyle> QUARG: what is it?
01:55 <QUARG> were taling billions
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> Quarg: collect the information into a google spreadsheet and share it with us.  When you create it, ping us for email addresses.  Kyle and I are already in there with stuff
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but that's in nasa dollars
01:55 <QUARG> lol
01:55 <ct|kyle> exaclty,
01:55 <QUARG> divided by 100
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing nasa's really expert at is spending money
01:56 <QUARG> im not sure were this google spreadsheet is
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> docs.google.com
01:56 <ct|kyle> do you have a google e-mail?
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> if you have a gmail account, you can use that
01:56 <QUARG> nope
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think you can register for a google docs account with your regular email address
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> gmail gives pop access, though :)
01:57  * Lucifer_arma uses gmail for his domain email services
01:57 <ct|kyle> i like my google homepage. the only way i check my e-mail
01:59 <QUARG> bah they dont support safari
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> they say they don't, but I've used it in safari
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'd recommend tossing firefox anyway, they support it very well
02:02 <ct|kyle> ive seen it crash IE
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02:07 <QUARG> then how do i get by the error page that they send me to?
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02:08 <ct|kyle> Get firefox
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't use to have that error page :(
02:16 <QUARG> i hate firefox
02:17 <QUARG> ill start by compiling the list on paper
02:17 <ct|kyle> hmm maybe i can make my server uesful
02:18 <ct|kyle> i still have to load it, but...
02:18 <ct|kyle> it is setting here inactive
02:28 <QUARG> which server? web server?
02:29 <QUARG> we have to consider system redundacy into the equasion
02:29 <ct|kyle> i can be
02:29 <QUARG> i would like to get my php for the id stats working
02:29 <ct|kyle> it has been
02:29 <luke-jr> hey
02:29 <luke-jr> ct|kyle:
02:29 <luke-jr> I hear you love Apple
02:29 <ct|kyle> every reboot of that server it lost the net
02:30 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work Apple
02:30 <armabot> ♪ Apple is obsolete. ♫
02:30 <luke-jr> FireFox < Safari
02:30 <GodTodd> anyone want to trade for my flu?
02:30 <luke-jr> but gmail > most
02:31 <QUARG> nope got my own godtodd
02:31 <GodTodd> dammit :(
02:32 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: i'll trade you my Death for it
02:34 <luke-jr> what does 're-res' mean with regard to fortress?
02:34 <ct|kyle> re respawn
02:35 <ct|kyle> or lucke jr is an asshat would work too
02:35 <ct|kyle> luke*
02:35 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean?
02:36 <ct|kyle> that the person is a noob and thinks that it is styball in which they wanted respanwend
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it means "kick me, I'm a dick"
02:37 <ct|kyle> #kick luke-jr
02:37 <armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
02:37 <ct|kyle> :D
02:37 <luke-jr> O.o
02:37 <luke-jr> but wtf does it mean
02:37 <luke-jr> "Are we able to run fortress type settings with re-res?"
02:37 <luke-jr> I don't get what he's asking
02:38 <ct|kyle> is means information technology
02:38 <ct|kyle> it*
02:38 <luke-jr> …
02:38 <ct|kyle> you asked
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03:47  * GodTodd just finished manually forwarding 20 emails :/
04:12 <Lucifer> ?
04:15 <Lucifer> why did you manually forward 20 emails?
04:17 <GodTodd> because my school doesn't have forwarding
04:19 <GodTodd> and i don't want to have to log in to their system to "study" my terms for the test
04:26 <Lucifer> aha
04:26 <Lucifer> still not sure what that means, but ok :)
04:27 <GodTodd> humanities...our tests are based on terms from the chapters she's not covering...and our job is to make jeopardy with the terms and send our questions to everyone in class to study
04:45 <Lucifer> aha, so you had to login and forward the emails you received
04:45 <GodTodd> exactamundo
04:45 <GodTodd> :)
04:47 <GodTodd> that and to keep a record of my grades in that class (she sends them in email)
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06:08 <Lucifer> damn, I forgot about the imaging subsystem
06:08 <Lucifer> I guess that's part of sensors
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07:12 <Misery762> Hmmm...  Never been in the IRC chat before.  And I've been playing this game for years now.  :D
07:12 <luke-jr> n00b
07:12 <MrBougo> hehe
07:12 <MrBougo> morning!
07:12 <Misery762> Hiya!
07:13 <luke-jr> come play freeciv
07:13 <Misery762> Yup.  I'm an IRC noob thru and thru.  lol
07:13 <MrBougo> lal luke-jr
07:13 <MrBougo> come play freeciv and buy me 3 arma server
07:13 <MrBougo> s
07:13 <luke-jr> Misery762: want a low-lag server⁇
07:13 <luke-jr> :D
07:13 <MrBougo> see,
07:13 <Misery762> Hmmm..  I remember Lucifer talking about that game.  I'll go check it out.
07:13 <MrBougo> haha luke, pwnt
07:13 <luke-jr> uh oh, taking advice from Lucifer
07:13 <MrBougo> pwntpwntpwnt
07:13 <luke-jr> Misery762: shall we wait for you then?
07:13 <Lucifer> heya mis
07:14 <Misery762> Well... He mentioned it on the forums.
07:14 <luke-jr> Misery762: hurry plz
07:14 <Misery762> Sup Super D!  Been a while!
07:14 <MrBougo> roffles
07:14 <Lucifer> hey, I heard you crashed a motorcycle.  Was that rumor or fact?
07:14 <Misery762> MOTORCYCLE????
07:14 <Misery762> Noooo...
07:14 <Lucifer> yeah, motorcycle
07:14 <luke-jr> lol
07:14 <luke-jr> Misery762: you coming?
07:14 <Lucifer> long hospital visit, never be able to walk, etc.
07:14 <Misery762> I was hit by a car on my mountain bike.
07:14 <MrBougo> luke, be patient
07:14 <Lucifer> ah, wait, that might have been it
07:15 <Lucifer> it was definitely a two-wheeled accident I heard about :)
07:15 <luke-jr> MrBougo: not unless  I know there's something to be patient for!
07:15 <MrBougo> ow ow ow Misery762
07:15 <Lucifer> so what happened?
07:15 <luke-jr> Misery762: that must have hurt
07:15 <Misery762> But yeah.  Been trying to get better, but the damage is too much.
07:15 <Lucifer> (good thing I didn't repeat it, I'd have contributed to bad rumor-mongering)
07:15 <Misery762> Don't think I'll be running a marathon any time soon.
07:15 <MrBougo> aww
07:15 <Lucifer> walking?
07:16 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:16 <Misery762> Well... I was for about 1 1/2  months.  But I got bad again out of the blus and back in the dame wheelchair.
07:16 <Misery762> ANd my typing STILL sucks.  lol
07:16 <Lucifer> ooo, that sucks.  nerve damage or just tore up bones and shit?
07:17 <MrBougo> not as much as lmiune!
07:17 <MrBougo> mine!$
07:17 <Misery762> Mostly arthritic.
07:17 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:17 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:17 <MrBougo> luke-jr: what if I come
07:17 <luke-jr> MrBougo: sure
07:17 <MrBougo> well
07:17 <MrBougo> think of it very hard and i might be there in a while
07:17 <Lucifer> luke still trying to get a civ game going?
07:18 <Lucifer> hey mis, here's a fast path to walking, running even.
07:18 <Lucifer> play civ with luke
07:18 <Misery762> I would Luke.  But I have tendonitis in my rught hand from playing a marathon 3 day sessi0on of Bass.  lol
07:18 <Lucifer> he has a way of just running people off
07:18 <MrBougo> 3 day session? wtf?
07:19 <Misery762> Well... Not all at once.  lol
07:19 <luke-jr> wtf?
07:19 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:19 <MrBougo> :p
07:19 <Misery762> But hard and heavy for 3 days.
07:19 <Lucifer> band?  or just playing?
07:19 <Misery762> Not used to bass.
07:19 <Misery762> No band.  Just me.
07:19 <MrBougo> i wonder how many people think that their laptop is also a scanner
07:20 <luke-jr> …
07:20 <Lucifer> man, I haven't touched a musical instrument in months
07:20 <MrBougo> it really looks like it would go lasery and stuff if you close it with some paper on they keyb
07:20 <Lucifer> well, I played my harmonica a couple of weeks ago driving to school
07:20 <MrBougo> ehe
07:21 <Misery762> I still have all your music fro  your site from...  last year I think?
07:21 <Lucifer> been awhile, I took a lot of it down for some reason, intending to reconstruct the site somewhere else, and still haven't done that
07:21 <Misery762> Choc choc choc....  WHITE Chocolate!!!!
07:21 <MrBougo> ??????
07:21 <Lucifer> man, that song would be a hit if I made a video for it
07:21 <Misery762> hahahaha
07:22 <Lucifer> and cared about making hits
07:22 <MrBougo> omg where can i d/l this?
07:22 <Lucifer> then I'd get sued by nestle or someone
07:22 <Misery762> Most likely.  lol
07:22 <Lucifer> hmmm, I think that song's still up there
07:22 <MrBougo> by some belgian company
07:22 <luke-jr> nestle should die
07:22 <MrBougo> with you
07:22 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/hobbies.html  <--- scroll down a little, it's called "Melts in your mouth"
07:23 <MrBougo> yuck :p
07:23 <Misery762> I always wondered what happened to Raul Duke.  He had some interesting music.
07:23 <MrBougo> does he play tron?
07:23 <Misery762> Not anymore.
07:23 <MrBougo> ohµ
07:23 <Lucifer> nah, he got sick of us and quit
07:23 <luke-jr> I lost a server to WoW ☹
07:24 <Lucifer> hey mis, want to build a lunar rover?
07:24 <Misery762> Christ...  Now I nave the Leeroy Jenkins battle cry in my head now, Luke.  lol
07:25 <luke-jr> wtf?
07:25 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18054&start=0  <--- there you go, let's build a lunar rover :)
07:25 <Misery762> Well...  I don't think anyone from NASA would use it.   But SURE.  :D
07:25 <luke-jr> Google
07:25 <MrBougo> omglol
07:25 <Lucifer> it's not for NASA :P
07:25 <MrBougo> i was fixing some friend's computer
07:25 <MrBougo> an old dell
07:25 <MrBougo> 12 gigs harddrive
07:25 <MrBougo> 100 megs left
07:25 <luke-jr> omg MrBougo
07:26 <luke-jr> won't Dell sue you for that?⁉
07:26 <Lucifer> omglolbbqstfu!
07:26 <MrBougo> i cleaned up the temporary internet files, and now there's like 6 gigs free space
07:26 <Lucifer> porn
07:26 <luke-jr> lol
07:26 <Lucifer> that's what that is :)
07:26 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i'd say the guarantee is triple outdated
07:26 <MrBougo> Lucifer: i doubt this, seriously
07:26 <luke-jr> MrBougo: but only they're allowed to service their machines, right?⁉
07:26 <Lucifer> bahahaha
07:26 <MrBougo> dunno luke-jr
07:26 <Lucifer> jonathan changed his avatar :)
07:27 <MrBougo> so i have to ask dell to increase the speed of my mouse pointer?
07:27 <Misery762> Yeah, What was the dael with the old avatar of his???
07:27 <Misery762> deal*
07:27 <luke-jr> yeah
07:27 <Lucifer> anyway, Misery762 (hi there!) , it's a serious question about the lunar rover
07:27 <luke-jr> and to reboot
07:27 <luke-jr> or install programs
07:27 <Lucifer> that link has just about everything in it so far
07:27 <Lucifer> sorry you came in so late, but I have to go to bed :/
07:27 <luke-jr> if you don't let them do it, they lose money from your business
07:28 <Lucifer> good seeing you, glad to hear you're still kicking!
07:28 <luke-jr> that's gotta be illegal
07:28 <Misery762> Well...  Lemme go over the thread to see whatit's about.
07:28 <Lucifer> or some reasonable facsimile thereof
07:28 <Misery762> ok man!  ttyl.
07:28  * MrBougo listening: chocolate  [0:06/3:41] 116kbps - 44Khz
07:28 <Misery762> Hhahahahaah!!!
07:29 <MrBougo> wth
07:29 <Misery762> Well... I should get going myself.  But now I know where you guys lurk.  lol.   Take care.  :D
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07:30 <MrBougo> mh
07:32 <MrBougo> <DELETE>
07:37 <luke-jr> DCC SEND STRING 0 0 0 ☺
07:38 <MrBougo> luke-jr: ?
07:38 <luke-jr> supposedly that causes some routers to drop a connection
07:38 <MrBougo> well
07:39 <MrBougo> this didnt drop anything
07:40 <luke-jr> nope
07:41 <MrBougo> it's more like this, luke
07:41 <MrBougo> DCC SEND anylongrandomstringhere
07:41 <MrBougo> 15+ chars
07:41 <MrBougo> and it has probly been fixed so far
07:41 <luke-jr> maybe for people who didn't upgrade their routers
07:42 <MrBougo> indeed
07:42 <luke-jr> err, who did
07:42 <MrBougo> me
07:43 <MrBougo> and i'm not using linksys nor netgear
07:43 <luke-jr> …
07:43 <luke-jr> civ
07:44 <MrBougo> nope
07:44 <MrBougo> my belkin router won't let me play
07:44 <MrBougo> heh, sometimes it bugs :/
07:44 <MrBougo> omfg
07:44 <MrBougo> there's a mini fault in my belkin :/
07:45 <MrBougo> sometimes it sends me the file http://<ipfromtherouter>/cgi-bin/restart.exe
07:45 <MrBougo> it seems to be the program rebooting the router
07:45 <MrBougo> and if i call this url and log in, the router reboots
07:45 <luke-jr> why what?
07:45 <MrBougo> oh i have to login
07:45 <MrBougo> nvm
07:46 <MrBougo> well, for some reason it sends me the .exe
07:46 <luke-jr> [01:48:36] <MrBougo> my belkin router won't let me play
07:46 <MrBougo> oh
07:46 <MrBougo> that wasnt serious
07:46 <luke-jr> then come play
07:46 <luke-jr> :D
07:46 <MrBougo> did i write "wasnt"?
07:46 <MrBougo> sorry i meant was
07:46 <MrBougo> :D
07:47 <luke-jr> liar
07:47 <MrBougo> did someone ping me?
07:47 <luke-jr> no
07:48 <MrBougo> 1193986332
07:48 <MrBougo> was that randomly chosen? or is it some encoded time
07:48 <MrBougo> 1193986366
07:48 <MrBougo> oh yes, that's the time something
07:48 <MrBougo> wait
07:49 <MrBougo> posix time
08:02 <MrBougo> #ping
08:02 <MrBougo> #help
08:02 <armabot> pong
08:02 <armabot> MrBougo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
08:02 <MrBougo> heh
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09:07 <cusco> yo!
09:32 <MrBougo> #ping
09:32 <armabot> pong
09:42 <tramshed> my sandwich is ridiculously tasty.
09:53 <MrBougo> is it?
09:53 <MrBougo> tramshed: is cybercuntz dead?
09:54 <tramshed> yeah
09:55 <tramshed> cops got involved
09:55 <tramshed> you need something hosted again
09:55 <tramshed> I can put it on my personal site, but its not the fastest
09:55 <tramshed> guess swastikas are illegal if you are on probation
09:55 <tramshed> my guy has to go to anger management and racism classes now because of the home page
09:56 <tramshed> which sucks for him, but at the same time is completely hilarious
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13:26  * epsy needs testers
13:26 <epsy> bugfarm clone :d
13:27 <epsy> #sd drug
13:27 <armabot> epsy: Sex, drugs and Sumo: No online players.
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14:42 <spidey> http://www.proprofs.com/flashcards/cardshowall.php?cardid=5677 i love how every single science book i've got is on there
14:44 <spidey> in order, actually
14:44 <spidey> the answers that is..
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18:30 <MaZuffeR> #weather turku
18:30 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 35.6°F (7:20 PM EET on November 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
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21:43 <epsy> jeez...gimp wont import any jped file
21:44 <epsy> s/d/g
21:45 <deja_vu> o.O
21:45  * deja_vu hits epsy's gimp with a spidey 
21:45 <epsy> O.o
21:45 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: enabled jpeg useflag when emerging?
21:46 <epsy> well, i get a preview etc
21:46 <[CH]DarkStar> the preview is done in the gtk dialog thing, not in gimp
21:46 <[CH]DarkStar> i think
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21:47 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: equery uses gimp
21:47 <epsy>  + + jpeg    : Adds JPEG image support
21:47 <[CH]DarkStar> well
21:48 <[CH]DarkStar> then something is screwed up
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21:48  * epsy emerge -C gimp
21:48 <[CH]DarkStar> no
21:48 <epsy> too late :P
21:49 <[CH]DarkStar> remerge media-libs/jpeg and media-libs/libexif
21:49 <[CH]DarkStar> -.-
21:55 <epsy> what the ...
21:55 <epsy>  * ERROR: media-gfx/gimp-2.4.0_rc3 failed.
21:55 <epsy>  *   gimp-2.4.0_rc3.ebuild, line 60:   Called built_with_use 'media-libs/alsa-lib' 'midi'
21:55 <epsy>  * media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.11-r1 does not actually support the midi USE flag!
21:55 <epsy> wtf has gimp to do with alsa ???
21:56 <[CH]DarkStar> good question
21:57 <epsy> media-gtf/gimp -alsa :P
22:02 <[CH]DarkStar> does that really do it?
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> gimp doesn't even have alsa useflag
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> at least here
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> and why are you emerging 2.4.0_rc3?
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> there is 2.4.0
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> rc3 is older than that :P
22:04 <epsy> nah...i don't update my portage tree all the time
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> only once in a decade?
22:04 <epsy> their servers are so laggu
22:04 <epsy> *laggy
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> wrong
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> your connection is
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> and holy crap... new gimp has alsa useflag indeed
22:05 <epsy> gna gna gna
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> i still had 2.2.x xD
22:05 <epsy> gna gna gna
22:05 <epsy> xD
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> evil frenchy you
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> :P
22:05 <epsy> :D
22:06 <[CH]DarkStar> with that evil language
22:06 <epsy> monsieur!
22:06 <[CH]DarkStar> je ne parle pas francais
22:06 <epsy> Je ne l'entends pas de cette oreille
22:07 <[CH]DarkStar> whatever that means :P
22:08 <epsy> in this context...nothing
22:08 <[CH]DarkStar> i thought so
22:08 <epsy> *evilface*
22:08 <[CH]DarkStar> but my french is horrible
22:09 <epsy> bff...we need you singing some french some...then get legit to sing the same song...we'ill see which sings the worst in french :P
22:09 <epsy> *french song
22:10 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, http://youtube.com/results?search_query=legit+singing&search=Search
22:10 <epsy> if you missed that :P
22:14 <[CH]DarkStar> i might watch 'em later
22:14 <[CH]DarkStar> i have to check my collection of floppy disks xD
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22:17 <cusco> http://www.familyguynow.com/watch.php?id=428
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22:21 <epsy> finally finished syncing portage's tree
22:21 <epsy> 16 mins
22:21 <epsy> woa...
22:22 <[CH]DarkStar> takes like 2 minutes here
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23:05 <z-man> woo, 19000 FPS in glxgears
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23:06 <ct|kyle> z-man: like your new PC?
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23:11 <[CH]DarkStar> z-man: what gfx?
23:16 <z-man> Yeah, the new one with a GeForce 7900 GTX
23:17 <z-man> and default window geometry, which is something like 320x200 :)
23:18 <epsy> #sd bugfarm
23:18 <armabot> epsy: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: No online players.
23:18 <epsy> #tea
23:18 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
23:18 <epsy> O_o
23:18 <z-man> Now I just have to figure out how to repair the Windows installation, grrrrrrr
23:18 <epsy> #onlineservers
23:18 <epsy> lol
23:18 <armabot> epsy: This data is 11 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10/14), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (10/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Norm's Place (9/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (8/14), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7/12), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (6/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), Swampland II (5/8), WILDCAT (2 more messages)
23:19 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-11-03-002400.png :P
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01:38 <cusco> seg fault!
01:39 <cusco> doesn't it dump cores?
01:39 <cusco> bah
01:47 <cusco> is there a reason why I can't connect to CT wild fortress
01:47 <cusco> the server just kills me! :(
01:48 <luke-jr> trunk?
01:48 <cusco> yea
01:48 <luke-jr> trunk is broken
01:48 <luke-jr> until ph gets his stuff fixed
01:48 <cusco> is it?
01:48 <cusco> damn
01:49 <cusco> is htere no hack arround it?
01:49 <cusco> seems to be only in some servers tho
01:49 <cusco> I can get into mbc just fine for instance
01:50 <ct|kyle> cusco: whats the problem with CTWF?
01:53 <cusco> my client seems to be
01:53 <cusco> nevermind
01:55 <ct|kyle> cusco: is it working or what?
01:56 <cusco> nope
01:56 <ct|kyle> hmm banned?
01:58 <ct|kyle> cusco: try again
01:58 <cusco> I thought so .. tho I had no connection termination reason
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01:58 <ct|kyle> ah i just made sure you were unbanned
01:59 <cusco> lol
01:59 <cusco> I believe that I am
01:59 <cusco> that is not the issue
01:59 <cusco> its within my client
01:59 <ct|kyle> oh
01:59 <cusco> no need for ct alter ego
02:00 <ct|kyle> you are unbanned now f you were banned
02:00 <cusco> ok. I had no reason to be banned anyway
02:00 <ct|kyle> i figured
02:01 <ct|kyle> when you first said something i thought it was the black screen of death again
02:02 <cusco> dunno that one
02:05 <ct|kyle> you go into the server and it is all black no maps or anything
02:06 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: PING
02:11 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: PONG
02:14 <ct|kyle> o you are awake
02:15 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i've never used python
02:19 <GodTodd> www.diveintopython.org
02:19 <GodTodd> :)
02:21 <ct|kyle> now what is a cad software like inventor for linux?
02:22 <GodTodd> http://www.usinglinux.org/cad/
02:22 <ct|kyle> leocad heh we need that for our prototype
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02:32 <Lucifer> ?
02:32 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: you worked with c++?
02:32 <ct|kyle> console C++
02:33 <Lucifer> that's probably good enough to work on the simulator
02:33 <ct|kyle> probably
02:33 <Lucifer> I haven't gotten a response from the guy yet about that other library, but reading the docs it looks like it'll suffice
02:33 <Lucifer> since we have to test it, we'll have an opportunity to fix it :)
02:33 <ct|kyle> ya
02:34 <ct|kyle> i am still looking for a cad program that is in gentoo's portage, that is like inventor
02:34 <Lucifer> good luck, afaik there isn't one
02:35 <Lucifer> let's not worry so much about cad programs right now, maybe we can get autodesk to donate a copy of autocad
02:35 <Lucifer> blender is our best bet for what we need, imo.  QCad is the only really advanced program, but it's 2d only and we'll need something that's 3d we can load into the simulator
02:35 <ct|kyle> it is only windows
02:35 <Lucifer> brl-cad is supposed to be very good, but challenging to work with
02:35 <Lucifer> yeah, autocad is only windows, and that sucks :(
02:35 <ct|kyle> ya
02:36 <Lucifer> but we don't need cad yet, so let's not worry about it yet :)
02:36 <ct|kyle> i only own 60 some shares in thier company
02:36 <Lucifer> didja take a look at the plan I worked up?
02:36 <Lucifer> it's still a pretty early draft, but there's enough to start in on the simulator
02:36 <ct|kyle> i skimmed it
02:37 <Lucifer> the important first step is to setup the simulator capable of doing timesteps, working with a hardcoded 2-wheel model (it's an idealized model), and connecting to it with the rover software
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02:37 <Lucifer> I found two local guys that expressed interest, we'll see if they actually get interested
02:38 <ct|kyle> i really do not think that 2 wheels will work
02:38 <Lucifer> one's a physics geek and hopefully can work with electronics, the other is army, formerly explosive ordnance disposal/hazardous waste cleanup
02:38 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 46.9°F (8:42 PM CDT on November 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Rising).
02:38 <Lucifer> right now it doesn't matter if 2 wheels will work or not, what matters is that we'll have to work with the differential thrust concept that's there
02:38 <Lucifer> I think treads are going to turn out to be our best bet, to be honest
02:38 <Lucifer> I've been thinking about friction, and treads give us the most surface area
02:39 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i'm hoping to take physics at my college. it just has prerequisites that i know
02:39 <Lucifer> but turning and stuff are all the same if you have treads or two wheels, and even nasa's 4-wheeled lunar rovers had motors on each wheel and they used it to give it a tight turning radius
02:40 <ct|kyle> i'm wondering if we could add an additional 4 wheels to the 2 wheel idea if it would get stuck
02:41 <Lucifer> don't know, heh.  The hardcoded model is intended to conceptually represent the rover to allow us to program with all the concepts that should be there
02:41 <Lucifer> when we get to the point where we can load cad drawings or some sort of model data, that's when we'll test all the different ideas we have
02:43 <ct|kyle> if we want to use me being a shareholder in autodesk to help obtain a copy of inventor, we should act this month because i plan to sell it at or near the end of the month
02:44 <Lucifer> far as I know, it doesn't help at all
02:44 <ct|kyle> it may help a bit
02:44 <Lucifer> to be honest, I'm thinking we'll try to get free copies by being a low-budget rover effort :)
02:45 <Lucifer> well, depends on the company.  Let's worry about it in a bit, I'd like to give brl-cad a good look
02:45 <Lucifer> if the army uses it to design tanks and shit, we should give it a serious look
02:45 <Lucifer> really :)
02:45 <ct|kyle> ok
02:45 <Lucifer> it's open source and all that too
02:45 <ct|kyle> inventor is just what i know :D
02:45 <Lucifer> heh, I suggested autocad because it's what i know :)
02:46 <ct|kyle> i had a little of that but inventor is so much easyer
02:46 <Lucifer> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292&ssid=4483
02:46 <ct|kyle> i have a copy of inventor 9 but that is 3 or 4 years old
02:49 <ct|kyle> wow that is a huge cad program
02:50 <Lucifer> hey, there's a brlcad channel
02:53 <ct|kyle> looks like a good program from screen shots
02:53 <Lucifer> yeah, it does
02:53 <Lucifer> and hey, the army developed it, so it might actually work most of the time :)
02:54 <ct|kyle> heh
02:55 <ct|kyle> well that's what i was wondering about NASA's robot software
02:55 <Lucifer> it looks like brl-cad has a autocad exporter, which we'll need if we have to order parts
02:55 <Lucifer> we'll need to either be able to print up drawings or send the autocad file
02:56 <ct|kyle> ya
02:56 <ct|kyle> if we need a 9 axes CNC lade I can probably take care of getting those parts. not positive
02:57 <Lucifer> jesus, 75MB?
02:58 <Lucifer> there's a lot of machining available locally, and I'm trying to put enough of a local team together to handle building
02:58 <Lucifer> we'll see how that goes, though
02:58 <ct|kyle> ok
02:58 <Lucifer> I know at least one machinist.  :)
02:59 <ct|kyle> my dad runs one of them
02:59 <Lucifer> that is a fucking huge program
02:59 <ct|kyle> if he is slow he does stuff he wants
02:59 <ct|kyle> ya
02:59 <Lucifer> ah, we may find it better to get work from your dad then, depending, of course :)
02:59 <ct|kyle> now to compile
03:00 <Lucifer> I think I'm downloading a compiled binary
03:00 <ct|kyle> i got $50.00 from thier company for my supermilage car
03:00 <ct|kyle> i did not find one
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03:03 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: it is compiled
03:06 <ct|kyle> now what to run?
03:11 <GodTodd> blah
03:12 <Lucifer> mged
03:12 <Lucifer> compiled that quick?
03:13 <ct|kyle> ?
03:13 <Lucifer> er, nvm
03:13 <Lucifer> thought you said you were compiling and it was done :)
03:13 <ct|kyle> no what do i have to do?
03:14 <Lucifer>  /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
03:14 <Lucifer> if you downloaded a compiled version, you have to untar it in the root directory as root :(
03:14 <Lucifer> I hate programs distributed like this
03:15 <Lucifer> hmmm, crashed
03:17 <luke-jr> sandbox it?
03:22 <ct|kyle> i tried to wine it
03:22 <Lucifer> ?
03:22 <Lucifer> I got the linux version and ran it
03:22 <ct|kyle> what do i have to run?
03:25 <Lucifer> mged
03:25 <Lucifer> if you install it the way I said, you do /usr/brlcad/rel<tab>/bin/mged
03:25 <Lucifer> definitely need to spend some time with the manual and stuff
03:26 <GodTodd> gives me io errors on the db
03:26 <GodTodd> heh
03:26 <GodTodd> when naming shit
03:27 <GodTodd> ahh nvm
03:27 <GodTodd> :)
03:27 <GodTodd> looks good :)
03:32 <Lucifer> http://www.gcad3d.org/
03:37 <ct|kyle> wow that has a sleeved engine
03:40 <noob7> waffles invites anyone?
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03:44 <Lucifer> gcad3d looks pretty promising
03:44 <Lucifer> I need to write a paper :(
03:48 <ct|kyle> dam i gotta write something also
03:48 <ct|kyle> i keep forgetting
03:49 <Lucifer> heh
03:50  * GodTodd did his physics homework already
03:52 <ct|kyle> physics is easy
03:56  * GodTodd never said it was hard homework :P
04:13 <Lucifer> what was it on?
04:13 <Lucifer> physics class I'm working is doing torque and rotational stuff, moment of inertia, etc
04:14 <Lucifer> some girl in the class said "I can set this up using a simple proportion, right?"
04:14 <Lucifer> "NO!  Set net torque = 0 always!  No exceptions!"
04:14 <Lucifer> "but.."
04:14 <Lucifer> "NO EXCEPTION!"
04:14 <ct|kyle> hehe
04:15 <ct|kyle> rotational kinematics?
04:15 <ct|kyle> them are fun. too bad i forget most of it
04:16 <Lucifer> heh
04:16 <Lucifer> we've been doing so many moment of force problems in my statics class that this stuff is starting to become second nature to me
04:16 <Lucifer> can't wait for dynamics, that class is going to fucking rock
04:16 <ct|kyle> i've done way too much electronics
04:17 <Lucifer> you've done electronics?  can you design circuits?
04:17 <ct|kyle> i've done just about anything up to flip flops
04:17 <Lucifer> pcb?
04:17 <ct|kyle> pcb?
04:17 <Lucifer> pc boards?
04:17 <Lucifer> design a pc board we can farm out for building?
04:17 <ct|kyle> not that good
04:18 <ct|kyle> i can program chips
04:18 <Lucifer> circuits?  Like, if I say "hook up the computer to the electric motor"?
04:18 <Lucifer> I know another guy to ask if my dad doesn't come through on it
04:18 <ct|kyle> i've been thinking about how to handle that stuff
04:19 <ct|kyle> could we use USB ports for output?
04:20 <ct|kyle> turn on or off power to them
04:21 <Lucifer> we really need to know more about the hardware we're going to run first, I think
04:21 <Lucifer> I was thinking of starting with simple parallel port stuff, stuff we can hook into pretty easily to test little prototypes
04:21 <Lucifer> that's stuff I can mostly understand :)
04:22 <Lucifer> then working on a more robust final design, i.e. we may need more bandwidth for certain things
04:22 <Lucifer> since so many motherboards come with usb plugs on the motherboard, that's a good option, imo
04:22 <Lucifer> not sure about pci cards, since we'll have to secure them in launch *and* write custom kernel modules to use them
04:22 <Lucifer> but the pci bus gives us the most bandwidth when we need it, so we'll have to see
04:22 <ct|kyle> PCI card solder always works
04:23 <Lucifer> hopefully we'll be able to use off-the-shelf pci cards and plug in our custom shit to parallel/serial/usb/whatever
04:24 <Lucifer> but we still have to secure the pci cards during launch, which could be problematic.
04:24 <ct|kyle> if we can turn on and off power to USB i think we can get a lot done with simple logic chips
04:24 <Lucifer> we might find that hanging the motherboard upside down is best to provide supports for the boards :)
04:24 <GodTodd> Lucifer: this homework was on gravitation
04:24 <Lucifer> well, we always have the choice of using simple logic chips wherever we plug in :)
04:25 <Lucifer> curious what you've got in mind, though
04:26 <ct|kyle> well we should check terrain ahead. if it is good turn on USB. if it is taking a picture tun off the usb.  use an AND gate so that it pauses for taking picture. when it is done set it back high
04:27 <ct|kyle> i'm thinking taking a picture, then upload it while traveling.
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04:27 <Lucifer> hmmm, that sounds kinda like logic that should be coded
04:27 <ct|kyle> when upload is completed. it stops and takes another image
04:27 <Lucifer> logic that goes in chips is either for the purpose of interfacing (like having a microcontroller that controls the two electric motors and we give it a radius), or for hard overrides
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04:28 <ct|kyle> we need some type of potentiometer for steering.
04:28 <Lucifer> so, for example, if we want to require that a certain sensor will always be extended while the rover is travelling forward, that could go in a chip
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04:28 <Lucifer> well, if we use treads or two wheels, we don't have to turn any wheels
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04:29 <Lucifer> that's the beauty of either system, we just turn one motor faster than the other, and the whole rover will turn in the direction of the slower motor
04:29 <Lucifer> that is so common in robotics that we'd be dumb not to do it, at least not without good reason
04:29 <ct|kyle> or 1 motor on while other off or in reverse
04:29 <Lucifer> right, exactly
04:29 <Lucifer> we have to do it no matter what, I think, because we'll need a really tight turning radius
04:30 <ct|kyle> so then both in opposite directions
04:30 <Lucifer> and we can turn in place, yes
04:31 <Lucifer> the way I see it, if we need to have a long rover, we use treads.  If short is fine, wheels might work, or treads
04:31 <Lucifer> but we'll need a damn good reason to go to 3 or more wheels
04:32 <Lucifer> see, wheels are shaped one way only, but we can shape treads any way we want, pretty much, to maximize whatever and minimize other things :)
04:32 <Lucifer> we can also, if we really think we need to, make it possible to change the shape of treads on the fly
04:32 <Lucifer> so we see a slope coming, we can pick up the front and slide smoothly onto it
04:33 <Lucifer> I'm not sold on treads, though, because of the amount of mass and therefore the intertia, but the mars rovers are treaded
04:33 <Lucifer> now, if we were building a vehicle to be driven by a person, I'd be saying 3-4 wheels all the way
04:34 <Lucifer> also, my wife and I were tossing around commercial applications here on earth for a rover
04:34 <Lucifer> there's the obvious vacuum application, and we engage iRobot directly :)
04:35 <Lucifer> so we'll probably be adding some features to the programming specs at some point that are useful for the mission, but geared towards commercializing here on earth
04:36 <Lucifer> that's thinking more about "what do we do if we don't win?"  ;)
04:36 <ct|kyle> heh
04:37 <Lucifer> oh hell, it's also what do we do if we win?  As much as I like the idea of splitting the money, my gut's saying it's better to funnel the money into turning ourselves into a commercial operation
04:37 <Lucifer> several of us will have very nice degrees when it's all over...
04:37 <ct|kyle> even if we don't win, job outlook will be good still
04:38 <ct|kyle> whenever i make a resume for a class i forget about adding supermilage car
04:39 <Lucifer> heh, yeah
04:39 <ct|kyle> we built it in about 2 weeks
04:39 <Lucifer> job outlook should be pretty good.  Particularly if we don't win because two other teams won, because that'll mean growing companies
04:39 <ct|kyle> the engine 3 months not working very hard
04:40 <Lucifer> and everybody participating is going to be trying to turn it into something even if they don't win
04:42 <ct|kyle> we are going to the moon, hopefully we find the US flag
04:42 <Lucifer> well, if one of the guys I talked to today is what he says he is, we can explore the idea of sending our own rocket, I think
04:42 <Lucifer> there's a particular type of rocket that we can build, at least to a point where we can solicit funding, with what we know now....
04:43 <Lucifer> ....provided we have someone who knows about explosives
04:43 <ct|kyle> heh
04:43 <ct|kyle> that's probably the one area of science i have not gotten into much
04:44 <Lucifer> me neither
04:44 <Lucifer> this guy was in explosives in the army, but he's behind me in school, so he may not know much that we can readily apply
04:44 <ct|kyle> then again i did make a propane air mixture exploded perfect
04:44 <Lucifer> I'm confident that with what I'm studying now, and what's coming up in dynamics, if he can provide good info on explosives, I can engineer the rocket
04:44 <Lucifer> well, the idea is from the nuclear pulse rocket
04:45 <Lucifer> that's where you drop shaped nuclear explosives behind the rocket and detonate them
04:45 <Lucifer> the force of the explosion pushes the rocket
04:45 <Lucifer> now, we can't use nukes, obviously
04:45 <Lucifer> supposedly, a test rocket was made that used conventional explosives and was more efficient and simpler than regular rockets
04:45 <Lucifer> if that is all true, that's within reach, at least for what we can design
04:45 <ct|kyle> we can outside of the atmoshere
04:46 <Lucifer> we can't get the material is the problem
04:46 <Lucifer> and if we could, it would be horribly expensive
04:46 <Lucifer> we'd probably spend more than the prize is worth ;)
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04:47 <ct|kyle> i could possibly get someone else. he is smart at a lot of science also
04:47 <Lucifer> but the nuclear pulse rockets are intended for interstellar and interplanetary flight, we're only going to the moon
04:49 <ct|kyle> we need to go through a full simulated test run of everything before we leave ground
04:50 <ct|kyle> the thing they are sending to pluto and beyond, they found a bunch of problems in their simulation.
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08:18 <MrBougo> Lucifer: ?
08:18 <Lucifer> what?
08:19 <MrBougo> what's wrong with your dsl line?
08:19 <Lucifer> nothing
08:19 <Lucifer> what's wrong with yours?
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08:19 <MrBougo> exactly 10 join/part messages
08:19 <MrBougo> from 7:32 to 8:19
08:19 <Lucifer> (Remote closed the connection)  <--- means I closed the connection, not that anything's wrong with my dsl line
08:19 <MrBougo> ... you get a point
08:20 <Lucifer> what I really need to know is how to fix a modeline so I get a valid vertrefresh
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03:04 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
03:05 <cusco> pong
03:05 <luke-jr> cusco: pong
03:05 <cusco> ping :))
03:06 <cusco> its all so quiet
03:07 <luke-jr> cusco: want a server? XD
03:07 <cusco> haha my armagetron won't even connect to it
03:08 <P4> luke-jr: do you provide armagetron servers only?
03:08 <Lucifer> he also provides armagetron clients
03:08 <cusco> hehe
03:08 <P4> lol
03:08 <cusco> bronken clients
03:08 <P4> drunken clients :P
03:08 <cusco> nice
03:09 <luke-jr> P4: depends!
03:10 <P4> i need a good, stable hosting place for tronner... eats about 30MB virtual memory and almost no processor usage (may jump some but the .math plugin is rather safe)
03:11 <P4> but you probably want some money, don't you :)
03:12 <luke-jr> wtf is tronner
03:12 <P4> #source
03:12 <armabot> P4: My source is at http://supybot.com/
03:13 <luke-jr> i c
03:13 <luke-jr> an IRC bot
03:13 <P4> that's right... sits only on freenode, needs only python
03:13 <P4> pysqlite would be nice addition
03:14 <P4> but you probably need money for that
03:14 <luke-jr> 1 sec
03:14 <Lucifer> needs pysqlite, doesn't it?
03:14 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
03:14 <P4> no needs for pysqlie... only some plugins uses it
03:14 <P4> like Karma ;)
03:15  * P4 is gonna smoke some... BRB
03:16 <GodTodd> Lucifer: pong
03:16 <Lucifer> hey, did you get a chance to troubleshoot any of those laptops?  ;)
03:16 <GodTodd> not yet :/
03:17 <Lucifer> I'm asking now because i ran my own laptop in the car last weekend and it was awesome, worked out nicely
03:17 <GodTodd> been swamped and sick
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03:17 <Lucifer> swamped?  There's no water in texas!
03:17 <GodTodd> heh
03:18 <GodTodd> got bronchitis from the little one :/
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03:18 <GodTodd> nice lil gift
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03:37 <luke-jr> P4|away: O.o
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04:07 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
04:07 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: pong
04:07 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: you are wrtlprnft?
04:07 <ct|kyle> nope :P
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04:16 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7365 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/batch/make/sortresources: um, we migrated from CVS to Svn, but missed this bit!
04:27 <Lucifer> well, let's see if my laptop loses net connection while I'm moving the server into a new box
04:27 <Lucifer> shouldn't, it's already got its IP address
04:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer: DHCP renewal coming up?
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07:21 <spidey> #svn
07:21 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
07:23 <luke-jr> …
07:24 <spidey> this guy never updated his sourceforge svn
07:24 <spidey> so i went with that one and go it =p
07:26 <luke-jr> wtf?
07:26 <spidey> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tremx/trunk    <---what he had linked
07:26 <spidey> https://tremx.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tremx/trunk/  <--- what works
07:27 <luke-jr> 1…
07:27 <spidey> ....
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08:51 <Lucifer> yay, network's back to normal now
08:51 <Lucifer> mostly, anyway
09:01 <MrBougo> :)
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09:03 <Bougo> mm..
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09:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: pong
09:28 <MrBougo> i'm trying to "hack" my router firmware
09:28 <luke-jr> …
09:28 <MrBougo> the .bin seems to be a zipped archive
09:29 <MrBougo> with soho.bin and another file
09:29 <MrBougo> but goddamn windows
09:29 <MrBougo> i'm opening my linux vm :p
09:31 <MrBougo> um one stupd question
09:31 <MrBougo> is .exe only used by windows?
09:31 <MrBougo> ohey nvm, it was a "fake" exe
09:32 <luke-jr> DOS too
09:32 <luke-jr> Canon digital cameras run DOS
09:33 <MrBougo> eek
09:33 <MrBougo> well, belkin seems to run linux
09:33 <MrBougo> o wait
09:33 <MrBougo> you're right, it might be dos
09:33 <MrBougo> only got a "non-win32 exe" error
09:34 <luke-jr> what file?
09:34 <luke-jr> and what belkin
09:35 <MrBougo> f5d7632
09:38 <luke-jr> http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Belkin/F5D7630
09:39 <MrBougo> aha
09:40 <MrBougo> i read some stuff about hacked firmwares to run a webserver on a belkin router
09:40 <MrBougo> that's useless :/
09:47 <MrBougo> #title http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/article/?lid=enu&aid=6105
09:47 <armabot> MrBougo: Belkin : Support : F5D7632 - Firmware Download
09:47 <MrBougo> damn
09:47 <MrBougo> it doesnt work with me
09:47 <MrBougo> i cant load the damn page
09:50 <luke-jr> works just fine
09:51 <luke-jr> on the bottom, you need to find the version #
09:51 <luke-jr> This product has multiple versions. Please make sure that you download the firmware for your version of the product. You will find the version number on a sticker on the bottom of the unit, it is a 4-digit number preceeded by ver. For the purpose of a firmware update, only the first digit of the version number is important.
09:52 <MrBougo> it isnt a dns problem
09:52 <MrBougo> bah, proxyfication
09:55 <MrBougo> bleh
09:58 <MrBougo> stopit!
09:59 <luke-jr> --- MrBougo ping statistics ---
09:59 <luke-jr> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3000ms
09:59 <luke-jr> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.797/1.913/1.987/0.076 ms
09:59 <MrBougo> amen
10:00 <MrBougo> :/
10:04 <MrBougo> ok
10:04 <MrBougo> can someone tell me why...
10:05 <luke-jr> yes
10:05 <MrBougo> when i unzip my bin belkin firmware with 7zip or anything, i get AR0700DB.bin
10:05 <MrBougo> when i unzip it with winrar i get some unknown file and soho.bin
10:05 <MrBougo> soho.bin exists
10:06 <MrBougo> it isnt some random error file
10:06 <luke-jr> I am confident Belkin can tell you why
10:06 <MrBougo> :o
10:06 <MrBougo> indeed
10:06 <MrBougo> i could mail them
10:07 <luke-jr> they would most likely be jerks
10:07 <luke-jr> and tell you to go away
10:07 <MrBougo> :(
10:07 <luke-jr> instead of what they can
10:07 <MrBougo> minimal support thing
10:07 <luke-jr> ☺
10:07 <MrBougo> =(
10:07 <luke-jr> thus there is only one solution!
10:07 <luke-jr> take your AK-47 and go visit the president of the company at home
10:07 <luke-jr> :þ
10:07 <MrBougo> ok
10:08 <MrBougo> err
10:08 <MrBougo> my ak 47?
10:08 <MrBougo> i dont have any
10:08 <MrBougo> gotta build one
10:11 <luke-jr> lol
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10:21 <philippeqc> Hi all
10:22 <philippeqc> Lucifer: answered (lamely) to your post.
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10:22 <philippeqc> beside "who wants to join my clan", what other common post deserve a generic answer?
10:22 <philippeqc> I propose:
10:22 <philippeqc> - cant get my server to show on the master list
10:23 <philippeqc> - could you help me set-up my server
10:23 <philippeqc> - cycle weapons
10:23 <philippeqc> - cycle wheeles
10:23 <philippeqc> - cycle jump
10:23 <luke-jr> I already have a generic response for those
10:24 <luke-jr> = http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ☺
10:24 <philippeqc> how many customers do you have?
10:26 <luke-jr> 6
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10:27 <philippeqc> neat
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11:00 <MrBougo> HAHA
11:00 <MrBougo> wb philippeqc
11:00 <MrBougo> luke-jr: are you into some intensive ad campaign?
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11:05 <philippeqc> hi MrBougo
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13:43 <DrJoeTron> #server info shrunk
13:43 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo shrunk
13:43 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: Players (1/6): Dr Joe Tron
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18:23 <Durka> #lastseen rico
18:23 <armabot> Durka: rico has last been seen on SPACEZONE III 13 hours 40 minutes ago.
18:23 <Durka> -.-
18:23 <Durka> #lastseen qico
18:23 <armabot> Durka: ¦Ö¦Qico has last been seen on Fortress Café 17 hours 9 minutes ago.
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18:45 <cusco> #lastseen madmax
18:45 <armabot> cusco: madmax has last been seen on Fortress Café 4 hours 37 minutes ago.
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19:14 <mt222tm> Is it possible to compile Zones v2 on Windows?
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19:27 <cusco> yo
19:27 <cusco> what is zones?
19:30 <mt222tm> zones v2 that philippeqc made (I think)
19:34 <DrJoeTron> weren't those just photoshop'd?
19:35 <DrJoeTron> if they weren't fuck you, I'm getting them first >:(
19:36 <mt222tm> Well, there's a svn branch for it..
19:42 <cusco> is tehre?
19:42  * cusco is going to see whats in there
19:47 <epsy> it was merged in the trunk branch
19:48 <cusco> I don't find anything inside trunk
19:48 <cusco> what are those pictures DrJoeTron was talking about?
19:48 <epsy> omg
19:48 <mt222tm> Zones v2 tricks, rip-off or something like that?
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19:49 <mt222tm> I checked out the trunk, and tried to compile it, there were some errors..
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19:54 <cusco> I can't find it in the trunk
19:54 <cusco> can you pass me the url?
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19:54 <cusco> I can't find it in the trunk
19:55 <cusco> can you pass me the url?
19:55 <mt222tm> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/
19:55 <epsy> you can't find what ?
19:55 <mt222tm> At least that's what I used
19:56  * epsy protests at z-man 
19:58 <cusco> err
19:58 <cusco> inside trunk
19:58 <cusco> where are those zones v2
19:58 <cusco> I don't understand what they are
19:58 <cusco> and you lot talking about them like they're really fancy
19:58 <mt222tm> because I want them :D
19:59 <cusco> trunk is broken (so it looks like)
19:59 <cusco> I can't connect to most servers
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19:59 <epsy> zonesV2 isn't intended to work
19:59 <cusco> what is that zonesv2?
20:00 <mt222tm> ?
20:00 <cusco> what are those?
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20:01 <epsy> it's the new zonesV1
20:01 <epsy> and it's in trunk
20:01 <mt222tm> how is it not intended to work?
20:02 <epsy> not stable
20:02 <mt222tm> oh
20:03 <mt222tm> I thought it wasn't supposed to work over a network..
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20:10 <cusco> but what is it?
20:11 <mt222tm> It's supposed to be zones with these new features
20:12 <mt222tm> It's in the wiki
20:12 <epsy> yes
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20:16 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 62.8°F (2:20 PM EST on November 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
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21:28 <cusco> yooo madmax
21:28 <cusco> mekieh
21:28 <cusco> ainda existes
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21:48 <madmax> claro :P
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21:57 <epsy> Cid06, #afl.td
21:57 <Cid06> oh
21:57 <Cid06> <bah c t bien dur
21:57 <epsy> Cid06, #afl.td :)
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22:12 <phantom05> hi
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00:18 <Lucifer> heh, my kids were playing X Prize Cup and got two air darts on the roof
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01:15 <Lucifer> heh
01:15 <Lucifer> z-man: you kicking?
01:21 <luke-jr> who's z-man kicking?
01:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o z-man] by ChanServ
01:23 <Lucifer> er, that's not exactly what I meant
01:23 <Lucifer> I guess you're not interested in this lunar rover project, but would you be willing to throw a little translation thing?  Provided it didn't take long....  ;)
01:24 <Lucifer> this impule-based simulation library has the api docs in german.  :(  I'm having a hard time determining if it's "good enough", but it appears to be the best open source has right now
01:34 <Lucifer> I got tricked, he's not really there
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01:38 <spidey> lol
01:39 <luke-jr> http://bash.org/?820591
01:40 <luke-jr> :D
01:44 <Lucifer> ok, I'm finally putting everything I have into subversion repositories
01:48 <Lucifer> ok, my pictures of the genie pissing in sabarai's mouth is history
01:48 <spidey> haha
01:51 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/ik.JPG  <--- er, no it's not
01:55 <Lucifer> man, I still need to scan all my old tax returns :(
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03:01 <Lucifer> heya kyle
03:01 <Lucifer> while I'm making svn accounts, what username do you want?
03:01 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer
03:01 <ct|kyle> kyle
03:02 <Lucifer> can you get pms here?
03:02 <Lucifer> er
03:02 <Lucifer> PMs ?
03:02 <ct|kyle> yes
03:05 <Lucifer> I'm going to do some homework and then probably transfer our existing google docs to svn
03:05 <Lucifer> I don't think it's all that unreasonable to have everybody learn how to use svn, since it's pretty easy to work with :)
03:05 <ct|kyle> really easy to work with on linux
03:06 <Lucifer> yeah, and we'll need it for code anyway :)
03:06 <ct|kyle> ya
03:06 <ct|kyle> commit the code well at the start so i can understand it :D
03:07 <Lucifer> commit or comment?  ;)
03:07 <ct|kyle> comment*
03:07 <Lucifer> I've become a big fan of doxygen, so that won't be a big problem for me :)
03:07 <ct|kyle> i like that too
03:07 <ct|kyle> i should learn that also
03:07 <Lucifer> I like this impulse-based simulation library a lot, it looks pretty easy to work with, so I'm inclined to just start in on that
03:08 <Lucifer> when I get a chance, if nobody else has, of course.
03:08 <ct|kyle> yes that does look the best
03:08 <Lucifer> you don't actually have to learn doxygen, I'll throw in a config file that generates readable docs and then you just have to run doxygen every now and then to get api docs
03:09 <ct|kyle> be easyer if we just have them in the svn
03:09 <Lucifer> er, you will have to learn how to use doxygen markup though
03:09 <Lucifer> well, with generated files like that, you don't really want them in svn
03:09 <Lucifer> I'll probaby throw an automated api doc generator together at some point and stick it on my web server
03:10 <ct|kyle> ok
03:10 <Lucifer> soon as I fix the buildbot, that is.  buildbot's broke :(
03:13 <Lucifer> well, maybe your friend will change his mind later on.  ;)
03:13 <ct|kyle> maybe
03:14 <ct|kyle> he really likes the whole idea
03:14 <ct|kyle> he said if i saw him online he would research something
03:14 <Lucifer> I expect that people will be more willing to join when we look viable
03:14 <ct|kyle> ya
03:14 <Lucifer> right now we're vapor, and there's a million projects that are in planning stage
03:15 <ct|kyle> we really need to create a scope for the project
03:15 <Lucifer> a million abandoned projects, that is
03:16 <ct|kyle> when i first told my friend he did not realize we were actually sending the robot to the moon
03:17 <Lucifer> I need to follow up with my dad, if he says now I've got another electrical engineer to hit up still that works in the physics department at my school
03:17 <Lucifer> he's probably willing to help out some, but may not be willing to give time for more than helping us troubleshoot circuits and looking over our designs
03:19 <ct|kyle> I think we will want our circuit board to have our final output that is sent to the motors
03:19 <Lucifer> depends, I guess
03:20 <ct|kyle> i think my friend would just be a good person to bounce ideas off of
03:20 <Lucifer> we'll probably want a simple amplification circuit in there for sure
03:20 <Lucifer> where the computer plays the role of the preamp :)
03:20 <ct|kyle> Digital potentiometer
03:20 <Lucifer> depends on how much current we're talking about sending to the motor, I suspect
03:20 <ct|kyle> that the code can acess and change
03:21 <Lucifer> ah, I see what you're saying.  Digital potentiometer to interface with the analog signals that actually drive it?
03:22 <ct|kyle> ya i think
03:23 <Lucifer> well, assuming the motor's power comes directly off the solar cells (or battery or whatever), it seems like we want to use a simple transistor to vary how much current goes to the motor
03:23 <Lucifer> and we want the computer to control that resistance in the transistor
03:24 <Lucifer> er, unless I'm mistaken and transistors aren't relaly variable resistance :)
03:24 <ct|kyle> probably
03:24 <ct|kyle> i never got into transistors
03:24 <Lucifer> how the computer does it doesn't matter to me so long as we can have somewhere a function that says powerMotor("left", 0.5)
03:25 <ct|kyle> ya
03:26 <Lucifer> yeah, transistor's right :)
03:26 <ct|kyle> powerMotor("both",.5)
03:26 <Lucifer> yeah, or we might use defines or something.  Probably want it generalized enough to allow any arbitrary number of motors :)
03:28 <ct|kyle> ok
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03:50 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:50 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 54.5°F (8:52 PM CST on November 04, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 28.78 in 974.5 hPa (Falling).
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04:38 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8
04:38 <spidey> @ luke-jr
04:40 <luke-jr> no
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06:10 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo shrunk
06:10 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: Players (6/6): Castle, ew, jw.mx, Locke, matthew, |FA| The One
06:10 <DrJoeTron> wow holy shit
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06:38 <spidey> ...
06:38 <luke-jr> LOL
06:45  * spidey stabs luke-jr in the eye
06:47 <luke-jr> spidey: join #anime
06:48 <spidey> that the best you can do?
06:48 <spidey> c'mon, my grandma can do better than that!
06:48 <luke-jr> :D
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09:34 <luke-jr> #armaconfig rubber
09:34 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER: Additional niceness for high ping players (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber (12 more messages)
09:36 <luke-jr> #armaconfig brake
09:36 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_BRAKE: Brake intensity (default: 30) || CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE: Rate at which the brake reservoir depletes when you are braking (default: 1) || CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_BRAKE_REFILL: Rate at which the brake reservoir refills when you are not braking (default: 0.1) || (1 more message)
09:37 <luke-jr> #armaconfig accel
09:37 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_ACCEL: Wall acceleration factor (default: 10) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your enemies' walls (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_OFFSET: Minimum numeric wall distance, must be positive (default: 2) || CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for (3 more messages)
09:39 <luke-jr> #more
09:39 <armabot> luke-jr: the rim walls (default: 0) || CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_SELF: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your own wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_SELF_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_SELF differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_SLINGSHOT: Multiplicator to the total effect (2 more messages)
09:39 <luke-jr> #more
09:39 <armabot> luke-jr: of CYCLE_ACCEL, if the cycle is between its own wall and another wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_SLINGSHOT_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_SLINGSHOT differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your temmates' walls (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM differs from its (1 more message)
09:39 <luke-jr> #more
09:39 <armabot> luke-jr: default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_TUNNEL: Multiplicator to the total effect of CYCLE_ACCEL, if the cycle is between two walls not created by it (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_TUNNEL_OVERRIDE: cycle_accel_tunnel_override_help (default: 3)
09:40 <cusco> o ok
09:40 <cusco> thats too much stuff
09:40 <luke-jr> lol
09:49 <cusco> thanks
09:50 <luke-jr> O.o
09:51 <cusco> woot?
09:52 <luke-jr> >.>
09:52 <cusco> !
09:52 <luke-jr> ‼
09:52 <cusco> !?
09:53 <luke-jr> ⁉
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17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7366 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGameObject.cpp: hopefully fixed the rare teleport bugs.
18:01 <MrBougo> #ping
18:01 <armabot> pong
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18:13 <epsy> erm...can we include as a client files from ~/.armagetronad/var/ ?
18:15 <epsy> oh...yes we can :)
18:16 <MrBougo> :o
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20:11 <Lucifer> I don't answer the phone if there's nothing in the caller id!
20:12 <spidey> i don't answer the phone period
20:12 <spidey> because if it's for me
20:13 <spidey> it's either a.) luke-jr b.) my dad or c.) my mom
20:16 <Lucifer> I take it those are all good reasons not to answer?
20:17 <spidey> yup :)
20:17 <Lucifer> I quit answering the phone for the most part when I can identify it's not for me, because I'm more likely to forget to give my wife a message than she is to forget to check messages
20:17 <spidey> lol
20:18 <Lucifer> and since all the voicemails get emailed to me, I can listen to them without clearing the voice mail box, so my wife still sees them as new messages :)
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20:18 <spidey> hm
20:18 <spidey> if i ever move out, i don't think i'll even have a phone...
20:19 <spidey> i never use the thing
20:19 <Lucifer> I thought the same thing when I first went out on my own, then found that I really needed one
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20:19 <Lucifer> but I only needed it so my work could call me and vice versa
20:19 <spidey> speaking of work
20:20 <spidey> my back and right ass cheek muscle feels like a boxer beat me for 30 minutes >.>
20:20 <Lucifer> you shouldn't have let your dog do that to you
20:20 <spidey> ...
20:21 <spidey> i cleaned my room/picked up all the sticks in the yard/push mowed it (yea, i'm more outta shape than i thought >.>)
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20:33 <mkzelda> Lucifer: You use a lot of audacity?
20:35 <Lucifer> mkzelda: used to, haven't used it much recently
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21:06 <[CH]DarkStar> mkzelda: i use audacity quite often
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21:50 <mkzelda> oops i wandered off after that
21:51 <mkzelda> some nexuiz guys were looking for assistance w/ some sound projects using oss
21:52 <mkzelda> i havent messed w/ audacity enough to know if it worked well for pulling out sample sound effects from existing audio sources
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21:53 <mkzelda> the problem being the isolation of the sound against all others
21:53 <xfroggy> dooky :D
21:56 <mkzelda> :D
21:56 <xfroggy> we won dooky :D
21:56 <mkzelda> oh oops
21:56 <mkzelda> i was here all along
21:57 <xfroggy> yesterday?
21:57 <mkzelda> just forgot
21:57 <mkzelda> yea
21:57 <xfroggy> lol...
21:57 <xfroggy> u forgot the most important fight!
21:57 <xfroggy> :P
21:57 <mkzelda> who was it?
21:57 <xfroggy> KoD!!!
21:58 <mkzelda> both teams make a full appearance?
21:58 <xfroggy> newb and madmax coudn't make it, they showed up right at the very end of the last match :D
21:59 <xfroggy> we had plenty people also, jj confused DST times, so we had Tropik show up, later on he had conn problems
21:59 <xfroggy> 3-2 :D
21:59 <mkzelda> wow
21:59 <xfroggy> but it seemed alot less sliding when we fought |x|
21:59 <mkzelda> durkas standings arent current :(
21:59 <xfroggy> durka was pissed off ><
22:00 <xfroggy> he was their def and he just switched to the new MacOS Leopard
22:00 <xfroggy> he was getting more than 15 FPS what he said
22:00 <xfroggy> i mean less ***
22:00 <mkzelda> that bites
22:00 <xfroggy> he actually polled me he got so pissed off at me... lol
22:00 <xfroggy> i was getting in his def all the time
22:00 <mkzelda> lol
22:01 <xfroggy> :)
22:01 <mkzelda> who has a demo?
22:01 <xfroggy> Oo ?
22:01 <mkzelda> who recorded
22:01 <xfroggy> me
22:01 <xfroggy> http://tr.1c3d.net/files
22:01 <xfroggy> epsy should also have a copy of the recording
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22:03 <xfroggy> I believe we going to play KoD once again, but this time I'm hoping it will be in our home server (WW)
22:04 <mkzelda> that'd be sweet
22:04 <xfroggy> what happened to your aim?
22:04 <mkzelda> the other day, as i said, was the first time i'd ever gotten to play any sort of ladle/spoon/afl game on a US server
22:04 <xfroggy> other day O_o
22:05 <mkzelda> like 2 weeks ago or whenever we werre last at home
22:05 <mkzelda> 3
22:05 <xfroggy> ah
22:05 <xfroggy> UTC
22:05 <mkzelda> ive changed keyboards, twice, recently, and window managers
22:05 <mkzelda> so thats where my aim is
22:06 <mkzelda> just gotta play an all niter some time and ill be good
22:06 <mkzelda> oh
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22:06 <mkzelda> u meant instant messenger lulz
22:06 <xfroggy> yea lol
22:06 <xfroggy> u dont use it no more?
22:06 <mkzelda> that too, switched wm's been having some issues w/ that
22:06 <xfroggy> ah, what u use now?
22:07 <mkzelda> still using kopete but i was having all kinds of kde probs b/c they discontinued my upgrade path
22:07 <mkzelda> so i had to downgrade everything kde
22:07 <mkzelda> and then the new kde came out like 2 days after i compiled all the old kde
22:07 <xfroggy> LOL
22:07 <xfroggy> you having fun :P
22:07 <mkzelda> yea
22:08 <mkzelda> and im not even using kde, im using e17 w/ some kde apps
22:08 <mkzelda> its been a little bit of a mess
22:08 <xfroggy> ouch...
22:08 <mkzelda> but i think i close aim sometimes and then forget to start it
22:08 <mkzelda> i turn it off for gaming
22:08 <mkzelda> anything persistent
22:08 <xfroggy> Oo it lags u?
22:08 <mkzelda> well i turn it off for important gaming i should say
22:09 <mkzelda> i cant tell if it lags me, but i know i can close it and not worry
22:09 <xfroggy> lol i actually for the first time closed thunderbird last match
22:10 <xfroggy> next time I'll try to warn you thru IRC :P
22:10 <mkzelda> oh it is actually busted atm
22:10 <xfroggy> I think I'm the only one using irc with our clan
22:10 <mkzelda> yea irc is best way for me
22:10 <xfroggy> sage's university is blocking it and goody hates it
22:11 <mkzelda> lol thats an easy block to avoid but i could still see not using it
22:11 <xfroggy> lol
22:11 <mkzelda> most the time they only block 6667 and not the alt ports
22:11 <mkzelda> even still, bncs
22:12 <xfroggy> can u change ports in xchat?
22:12 <xfroggy> i didnt find that option
22:12 <mkzelda> yea
22:13 <mkzelda> i think it goes on the end of the ip line after a colon
22:13 <mkzelda> or its a /
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22:13 <mkzelda> like irc.freenode.org/7000
22:13 <xfroggy> eh, sage is on windows
22:13 <mkzelda> something like that
22:13 <mkzelda> he can use xchat on win, and mirc has an easy way to change ports
22:13 <xfroggy> I should tell him to try out mirc
22:14 <mkzelda> has a seperate field for it
22:15 <xfroggy> ight dooky, I gtg :D Fix up ur rig
22:16 <xfroggy> we kind of missed seeing you die at the start that we actually did it without you :P
22:16 <mkzelda> lol
22:16 <xfroggy> at the beginning of the first match, we tked each other, like 4 people
22:16 <xfroggy> then every1 started asking if the match started :P
22:16 <mkzelda> hahaha
22:16 <xfroggy> took us a whole match to get our shit together
22:17 <mkzelda> i wasnt sure if anyone noticed that i do that :D
22:17 <xfroggy> after that mass suicide we just kept messing up for the rest of the first match
22:17 <xfroggy> haha ur the funniest one :P
22:18 <xfroggy> ight I gotta run pick up someone ^_^ lata man :D
22:18 <mkzelda> the fantasy football league i used to play in every year is known as the "matt free league" now for that kind of stuff
22:18 <mkzelda> pz
22:26 <Lucifer> mkzelda: yeah, you can use audacity to pull out samples pretty well
22:26 <Lucifer> but I can't help you do it, because it's been so long since I've opened audacity and I didn't do that sort of thing with it in general anyway
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22:49 <mkzelda> Lucifer: what about original sfx?
22:49 <mkzelda> or u moreso do a score
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22:53 <RebelEclipsed> luke-jr, you here?
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22:58 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.7°F (4:03 PM CST on November 05, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Rising).
23:00 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
23:00 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 56.7°F (5:05 PM EST on November 05, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
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23:06 <LDS_Trooper> luke-jr, are you there? This is urgent
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23:21 <rebel_eclipsed> hey protocoldoug
23:21 <rebel_eclipsed> I didn't know you played the game?
23:21 <rebel_eclipsed> or did you just follow me over? lol
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23:23 <LDS_Trooper> luke-jr, I have something urgent to discuss... are you there?
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00:22 <epsy> bck
00:22 <epsy> back*
00:34 <spidey> ok, stupid question, which library is sdl.h in?
00:34 <Khalsa> libsdl?
00:34 <Khalsa> >.<
00:35 <spidey> argh
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00:45 <epsy> xfroggy, uploading the record of your match
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00:46 <epsy> http://kowsklan.free.fr/recordings/afl/2007Fall/Week%204/KoDvsTR-2007-11-04-AFL.aarec.zip
00:46 <epsy> i didn't made shots
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00:55 <xfroggy> i got my own recording :P
00:55 <xfroggy> epsy, ^^ :D
00:55 <epsy> haha
00:55 <xfroggy> tr.1c3d.net/files
00:55 <mkzelda> it was for my benefit
00:55 <xfroggy> I wouldn't mind getting my hand on ss's also
00:56 <epsy> grr...you could prefix with http:// sometimes :P
00:56 <xfroggy> Durka told mme he made
00:56 <xfroggy> http://tr.1c3d.net/files
00:56 <xfroggy> there lazy ass
00:56 <xfroggy> :P
00:57 <xfroggy> I'm waiting for Durka to upload the ss's
00:57 <xfroggy> so I can copy them :P
01:05 <epsy> cu
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01:39 <luke-jr> who is LDS_Trooper⁇
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02:52 <spidey> my evil(annoy luke-jr more) twin
02:52 <luke-jr> …
02:52 <spidey> ...
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03:16 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:16 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 38.8°F (8:17 PM CST on November 05, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Rising).
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03:17 <Rebel_ECd> luke-jr, you around?
03:17 <luke-jr> yes
03:17 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
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04:17 <xfroggy> guys, anyone has a url to Luzi's blog ?
04:19 <Lucifer> www.luzifer.org ?
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04:19 <xfroggy> found it http://www.luzifer.lwblogs.com/
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10:36 <luke-jr> z-man: replied
10:36 <luke-jr> :þ
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13:30 <Lucifer> that was interesting fallout from the gusty upgrade
13:31 <Lucifer> timezone got changed, and the clock quit automatically syncing, so the computer was only pretending to show the real time
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15:23 <guru3> luke-jr: pong
15:29 <protocoldoug> anyone seen LDS trooper recently?
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16:03 <luke-jr> protocoldoug: yes
16:09 <MrBougo> gee
16:10 <MrBougo> is my physics teacher stupid
16:10 <MrBougo> i hate it when i show them OBVIOUS mistakes they make, and they don't want to accept that they're wrong
16:11 <MrBougo> so they try to make such nonsensical and complex answers, showing that I am wrong, just to feel smart
16:12 <MrBougo> now crap, I WAS RIGHT
16:23 <protocoldoug> kewl, LT pointed me to this chan, figured i'd idle it out
16:24 <protocoldoug> ...yep, i had a co-worker do the same thing to me yesterday, saying i was wrong about something i knew i was right about
16:25 <protocoldoug> it's an indication of unhealthy psychology. they have a hole in their psychology trying to find fault with your actions, to rationalize their own.
16:25 <protocoldoug> so they feel that having a win/lose situation is the only way to feel better about themselves, they win, and you lose
16:25 <protocoldoug> a healthier psychology involves a win/win situation
16:28 <MrBougo> :p
16:28 <MrBougo> but WHY does it happen to teachers
16:28 <MrBougo> is their ego so important
16:29 <MrBougo> they're teachers! teachers are supposed to tell the truth!
16:29 <MrBougo> good think that i don't always trust them
16:29 <MrBougo> thing*
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16:36 <MrBougo> hehe, i've unlocked the demo files from my physics teacher and i improved them
16:36  * MrBougo 's gotta do all the work
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17:00 <luke-jr> MrBougo: they're being paid to teach you
17:00 <luke-jr> supposedly
17:01 <protocoldoug> MrBougo: they're supposed to tell the truth, and do the right thing, but... unfortunately, it's only like 1/50 teachers that actually is good at it. the rest are slobs :)
17:13 <MrBougo> lol at the guys who designed this...
17:13 <MrBougo> one little byte to change and the file is unlocked
17:16 <libervisco> forum is so slow..
17:18 <libervisco> Anyway, since I can't post to the forum just yet (it's practically inaccessible).. we're looking for two things to promote the chances of Armagetron Advanced tournament being a part of the Freedomware Gamefest 2007 (freedomware-gamefest.com)..
17:18 <libervisco> 1. Champion players to promote the participation in the fest through in-game messages
17:19 <libervisco> 2. AA community members to write a short article about why you love AA and why should others try it.. just basically a testimony to AA
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17:19 <libervisco> You can submit the latter to http://www.nuxified.org/topic/calling_for_brief_articles_on_why_do_you_love_that_game :)
17:19 <libervisco> I'm done :)
17:41 <luke-jr> libervisco: O.o
17:41 <luke-jr> libervisco: you the organizer guy?
17:43 <libervisco> yep
17:44 <luke-jr> libervisco: /j #armalukechat
18:09 <luke-jr> MrBougo: feel free
18:09 <MrBougo> ok :)
18:09 <luke-jr> if you weren't welcome, I'd kick you
18:09 <luke-jr> :þ
18:09 <MrBougo> i joined to avoid some kick
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20:17 <MrBougo> night
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20:20 <epsy> #ping
20:20 <armabot> pong
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20:48 <GodTodd> http://pranks.com/2007/10/26/when-photos-go-wrong/
21:23 <Lucifer> what, they should've put the woman on that side?!?!?
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22:30 <Sticky__> #lastseen fofo
22:30 <armabot> Sticky__: ¦Ö¦FoFo has last been seen on Fortress Café 4 hours 21 minutes ago.
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01:45 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: pong
01:47 <luke-jr> wtf u want?
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03:41 <GodTodd> luke-jr: did you move to omaha or what?
03:41 <luke-jr> …
03:43 <GodTodd> okie dokie
03:46 <GodTodd> guess that's what i get for trying to start conversation :)
03:47  * GodTodd goes back to preparing to possibly take some time to work on his next novel then.
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05:07 <Lucifer> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
05:08 <luke-jr> …
05:08 <armabot> Lucifer: [03:45:45] <luke-jr> …, [01:52:12] <luke-jr> wtf u want?, [18:13:58] <luke-jr> :þ, [18:13:58] <luke-jr> if you weren't welcome, I'd kick you, [18:13:44] <luke-jr> MrBougo: feel free, [17:48:37] <luke-jr> libervisco: /j #armalukechat, [17:46:31] <luke-jr> libervisco: you the organizer guy?, [17:46:24] <luke-jr> libervisco: O.o, [17:05:19] <luke-jr> supposedly, [17:05:12] <luke-jr> MrBougo: (17 more messages)
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05:28 <Lucifer> so how do you decode whale language?  It's not like we have very many obvious things in common that can easily be picked out...
05:28 <Lucifer> we might think one whale is saying to the other "You have really nice fins, let's fuck", but it's actually saying "Your mom is hot, I'm going to ask her out"
06:13 <GodTodd> umm...a whale decoder ring from cheerios :)
06:13 <Lucifer> heh
06:13 <Lucifer> no mind meld crack?
06:14 <GodTodd> nah
06:14 <GodTodd> just a ring :)
06:14 <Lucifer> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/11/6/30039  <--- here's the article, another of those "I thought we knew that much already"
06:16 <GodTodd> haha...liked the comment below it :)
06:18 <Lucifer> heh
06:18 <Lucifer> so, do I write my comp 2 paper that was due saturday, do statics homework that was due yesterday, do statics homework that is due next monday, or study for a chemistry test that's also due monday?
06:19 <Lucifer> or study for a speech test sunday?
06:19 <Lucifer> or, er, I think that's it
06:20 <luke-jr> you can comment on my patch
06:22 <GodTodd> begin with the one that is the most late and work forward....unless you are going to blow any of it off then the most late gets blown off first ;)
06:24  * GodTodd had to listen to an author chick give a speech about what poems know before she pimped her latest book.
06:26 <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer can we chat about the "Fortress Test Server" thread? --Luke
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer can we chat about the Fortress Test Server thread? --Luke
06:27 <Lucifer> luke-jr: is it going to be a waste of time?
06:28 <luke-jr> dunno
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07:32 <Lucifer> well, instead of doing any schoolwork, I moved the rover documents to the svn repo
07:33 <Lucifer> had no choice but to agree with jonathan's assessment of google docs right now, it's running slower than molasses in my web browser :(
07:40 <Lucifer> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleId=16EEA019-E7F2-99DF-313BF41351A7B653&chanId=sa013&modsrc=most_popular  <--- new planet found out in the firmament
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21:32 <epsy> zmanuel, you there ?
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01:21 <LDS_Trooper> luke-jr, you alive?
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01:24 <Rebel_ECd> anyone know where I can snag a basic service bot code from?
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01:28 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 46.6°F (6:33 PM CST on November 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Steady).
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01:45 <Rebel_ECd> anyone here running a CTF server?
01:46 <Rebel_ECd> I need the language files
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01:48 <Rebel_ECd> anyone?
01:49 <luke-jr> …
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> luke!
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> yay
01:49 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: service bots are more or less specific to my hosting fyi
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> ahh ok
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> any chance you could scribble up a basic one to learn how to make one?
01:49 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: I did 3 ☺
01:50 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: I also made plans to write a Perl module for one
01:50 <Rebel_ECd> K
01:50 <Rebel_ECd> Also, for the CTF.. all is well except the missing language file
01:50 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: if you want, I can assist you or your developer in writing a framework
01:50 <luke-jr> missing language file?
01:51 <Rebel_ECd> the "english_base.txt" gets modified with the Sty patch
01:51 <Rebel_ECd> so you see things like "player_1 stole the flag! Get them!"
01:52 <luke-jr> yes
01:53 <Rebel_ECd> I'm not getting that because I have the old file
01:54 <luke-jr> because you have your own custom language files
01:54 <Rebel_ECd> hmm
01:54 <luke-jr> I recommend creating a new language based on the english
01:54 <luke-jr> so version changes don't have this problem
01:55 <Rebel_ECd> if I remove that language folder it will work?
01:55 <luke-jr> sure, but you lose your custom messages
01:56 <Rebel_ECd> this is why I am wondering how I can get a copy of the new one.. so I can mod it =)
01:57 <luke-jr> /usr/local/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8-pig/language/british.txt
01:58 <luke-jr> then use the config value "LANGUAGE_FIRST British English"
02:00 <Rebel_ECd> where would that go Luke? In the individual configs?
02:03 <luke-jr> server_info
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02:18 <Rebel_ECd> thanks Luke!
02:18 <Rebel_ECd> I will e-mail you about setting up the framework. ok?
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04:13 <Lucifer> turn right
04:13 <Lucifer> turn right
04:13 <Lucifer> turn left
04:13 <Lucifer> turn left
04:13  * Lucifer playing #armagetron
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05:06 <Lucifer> maybe freenode's going to survive after all
05:07 <xfroggy> this shit happened again
05:07 <xfroggy> damn
05:08 <Lucifer> horrible netsplit
05:08 <Lucifer> guess they had to reboot one of their win servers
05:10 <xfroggy> for a sec I though I was a drifter in this channel :S
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05:17 <Lucifer> guess they're still working on it
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05:41 <GodTodd> who keeps breaking freenode?
05:42 <Lucifer> you
05:42 <Lucifer> hey, I got a local guy interested in this lunar rover :)
05:43 <Lucifer> machinist, even.  Real smart guy, was in my calc 3 and 4 classes, and now he's in my statics class
05:47 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:47 <GodTodd> can he fix my name resolution issue?
05:47 <GodTodd> heh
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05:54 <GodTodd> yeah...can ping by ip and not name...name resolution in this router sucks donkey balls
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07:49 <Lucifer> well, I think I just reached a lower-level understanding of my martial arts class
07:49 <Lucifer> er, not the class itself, the art being taught
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11:02 <spidey_> so ugh
11:02 <spidey_> freenode sux much?
11:13 <luke-jr> cuz I fixed my IPv6
11:14 <luke-jr> but FreeNode doesn't work right with it
11:14 <spidey_> ?
11:14 <spidey_> wtf's your ipv6 got to do with freenode?
11:14 <spidey_> freenode's netsplits**
11:16 <luke-jr> it breaks one of the servers
11:16 <luke-jr> so it crashes and splits the network
11:17 <spidey_> liar
11:17 <luke-jr> :þ
11:18 <spidey_> i'm sick :<
11:25 <luke-jr> y
11:54 <luke-jr> hm, PHP seems to be a memory hog
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17:45 <cusco> hi
17:45 <cusco> luke-jr: you arround?
17:49 <cusco> err
17:49 <cusco> whats the command to set how manny people can join?
17:55 <P4> .cfg max_clients
17:55 <P4> #cfg max_clients
17:56 <armabot> P4: MAX_CLIENTS: Maximum number of network clients to accept (default: 16) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the server is full (default: 4)
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18:53 <MrBougo> luke-jr or lucifer i need your help
18:54 <MrBougo> is it possible to change the ID sent by an identd?
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01:09 <P4> luke-jr: ping
01:09 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
01:10 <P4> #serverinfo -v p4's
01:10 <armabot> P4: p4's Server (64.18.140.140:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070906 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, No online players.
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02:08 <luke-jr> allegedly FreeNode is being DDoS'd
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03:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 43.3°F (8:42 PM CST on November 08, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Rising).
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03:53 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: ping
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05:26 <luke-jr> #later tell epsy your server was eating 100% CPU… -.-
05:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
05:33 <Lucifer> http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8SPRQR01.htm
05:35 <Khalsa> what's a little butanediol between friends?
05:37 <luke-jr> eh?
05:37 <Lucifer> I was wondering if it would be possible to get a woman to swallow one of those beads
05:38 <Lucifer> seems like now that this particular little fact is out, those beads will hit the black market pretty quickly
05:38  * Khalsa contemplates
05:38 <Lucifer> hey, that guy I thought was from bangladesh, apparently I heard him wrong and he's from saudi arabia
05:38 <Khalsa> whats the street price of GHB ?
05:38 <Khalsa> :-P
05:38 <Lucifer> beats me, never needed one of those drugs to get laid ;)
05:38 <luke-jr> wtf is GHB?
05:39 <Khalsa> date rape drug
05:39 <Khalsa> RTFA
05:39 <Lucifer> I read it
05:39 <Lucifer> I guess rape doesn't count as getting laid
05:42 <Lucifer> man, how long does it take for a ltsp client to build?
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05:49 <luke-jr> what's wrong with regular old XDMCP?
06:07 <GodTodd> freaking commies are trying to kill our next generation, i swear
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07:01 <luke-jr> ouch
07:01 <luke-jr> 532 lines of code in my KAD
07:01 <MrBougo> hello
07:02 <MrBougo> luke-jr: do you know anything with idends?
07:02 <luke-jr> what about an identd?
07:02 <MrBougo> well, i have a shell, running a bnc (psybnc)
07:02 <MrBougo> and when i connect it to irc, the networks use the shell account name as ident for IRC, because of the identd
07:03 <MrBougo> (i think it works so)
07:03 <MrBougo> but i'd like to use another name
07:06 <luke-jr> so shutdown the identd
07:08 <MrBougo> mh
07:08 <MrBougo> it's a freaking shell
07:08 <MrBougo> i don't have root access
07:08 <luke-jr> well, then that's the purpose of the identd
07:08 <MrBougo> 3:
07:09 <MrBougo> oh GOD, PLEASE
07:10 <MrBougo> do they want our kids to be like... DUMB?
07:11 <GodTodd> why? are they sending them to luke-jr's to be educated?
07:11 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
07:11 <MrBougo> GodTodd: ???
07:11 <MrBougo> i'm talking about something else
07:11 <MrBougo> let me get a link
07:11 <MrBougo> http://kotaku.com/gaming/education/learning-with-pokemon-319823.php
07:11 <GodTodd> my statement fits
07:11 <GodTodd> trust me
07:12 <MrBougo> darn, stupidstupid nintendo
07:12 <MrBougo> pokesomething has NOTHING to do with SCIENCE
07:12 <MrBougo> fuck!
07:13 <GodTodd> depends on what you're poking
07:13 <MrBougo> :/
07:13 <MrBougo> GodTodd ate a clown today :D
07:13 <MrBougo> do you guys also use this expression? "to eat a clown"
07:13 <GodTodd> no
07:13 <GodTodd> but i get the gist
07:13 <MrBougo> oh
07:13 <GodTodd> ;)
07:13 <MrBougo> :p
07:14 <MrBougo> thought that it was 'universal'
07:14 <GodTodd> no...we don't spend a lot of time claiming cannibalism
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
07:14 <MrBougo> D:
07:15 <GodTodd> just like i'm sure you guys don't say "who pissed in your (insert favorite popular cereal here: generally wheaties or cheerios)"
07:24 <MrBougo> heh
07:24 <MrBougo> no we don't
07:26 <luke-jr> #later tell P4|away plz have your bot connect to goethe.freenode.net from source IP 2002:440d:6de2:0:1d::7034 kthx
07:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
07:26 <luke-jr> #later tell P4 plz have your bot connect to goethe.freenode.net from source IP 2002:440d:6de2:0:1d::7034 kthx
07:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
07:29 <MrBougo> luke-jr: can you chose your ip?
07:29 <luke-jr> MrBougo: I have the whole /48
07:30 <luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2☹anything) is mine
07:30 <MrBougo> /48? what does that mean?
07:30 <MrBougo> heh, how can that be.... and btw, how did you get an ipv6? i guess it has nothing to do with your ISP
07:30 <luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 to 2002:440d:6de2:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff
07:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: well, my ISP assigns the subnet
07:31 <MrBougo> so your ISP minds about ipv6
07:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: if your router didn't suck, you could use it too
07:31 <MrBougo> heh
07:31 <luke-jr> :o
07:31 <MrBougo> why does it suck?
07:31 <luke-jr> it doesn't support IPv6, I guess
07:31 <MrBougo> my isp sucks
07:32 <MrBougo> i guess noone there knows about ipv6
07:32 <luke-jr> we don't know that until your router problem si gone
07:32 <luke-jr> 2002:51f1:184e::/48 is your subnet
07:32 <luke-jr> imma pinging you XD
07:33 <MrBougo> why is it my subnet?
07:33 <luke-jr> cuz that's the subnet that goes with 78.24-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
07:33 <MrBougo> oh
07:33 <luke-jr> besides, you use Windoze
07:33 <luke-jr> which doesn't do IPv6 by default
07:34 <luke-jr> and even if you enabled it, probably none of your software is able
07:34 <MrBougo> i can install tcp/ip 6
07:34 <MrBougo> indeed
07:34 <MrBougo> ipv4 still existsn luke
07:34 <MrBougo> -n
07:34 <MrBougo> i don't need ipv6
07:34 <luke-jr> P4's bot can use IPv6 :þ
07:34 <MrBougo> does it have any advantage?
07:34 <luke-jr> it means if his bot gets banned, I don't care
07:34 <luke-jr> :þ
07:34 <MrBougo> and why do you want his bot to connect a specific server
07:35 <MrBougo> heh, what if the subnet gets banned?
07:35 <luke-jr> then I complain to ops abusing power
07:35 <MrBougo> uh
07:35 <luke-jr> and bug netfilter guys to fix -m owner on IPv6
07:36 <luke-jr> MrBougo: does your router support DMZ?
07:36 <MrBougo> yup
07:36 <MrBougo> but i wont enable it :o)
07:36 <luke-jr> how dynamic is your IP?
07:36 <MrBougo> whadya mean?
07:36 <luke-jr> 78.24-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
07:36 <MrBougo> if i disconnect/reconnect, i get a new ip
07:36 <luke-jr> how often does that change
07:36 <MrBougo> every cycle
07:36 <luke-jr> so often
07:36 <MrBougo> yup
07:36 <luke-jr> do you have Wireshark installed?
07:36 <MrBougo> the only good thing with my isp
07:37 <luke-jr> LOL
07:37 <MrBougo> heh no
07:37 <luke-jr> o well
07:37 <MrBougo> i could install it though :D
07:37 <luke-jr> if you don't want to turn on DMZ, don't bother
07:37 <MrBougo> DMZ opens all the ports, right?
07:37 <luke-jr> it passes unknown packets to you
07:38 <luke-jr> so if it doesn't know IPv6, it will pass it to you
07:38 <luke-jr> if it doesn't know a port, same thing
07:38 <MrBougo> :o
07:38 <luke-jr> to an extent
07:38 <luke-jr> not sure if it works with native IPv6
07:38 <luke-jr> MrBougo: btw, with IPv6 you generally get a static AND dynamic IP ☺
07:39 <MrBougo> eh
07:39 <luke-jr> so you use the static for servers, and the dynamic for outgoing connections
07:40 <MrBougo> sweet
07:40 <MrBougo> bah, i have a ddns too
07:40 <MrBougo> it's nicie, my router updates it automatically
07:48 <MrBougo> i'm out
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11:36 <luke-jr> who's here?
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11:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig spawn_point
11:59 <armabot> luke-jr: SPAWN_POINT_GROUP_SIZE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0)
11:59 <luke-jr> wonderful
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12:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:31 <luke-jr> #armaconfig fortress
12:31 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
12:31 <luke-jr> liar
12:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:49  * luke-jr invents new game mode :D
13:25 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:34 <luke-jr> >.>
13:34 <luke-jr> nemo's map preview is gone, sorry
13:34 <luke-jr> :þ
13:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:36 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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13:50 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:54 <luke-jr> hm
13:54 <luke-jr> that looks half decent
14:01 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Beehive-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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14:20 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Octagon-0.1.rc2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:25 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Octagon-0.1.rc3.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.rc1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.rc2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/DeathDiamond-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:36 <spidey> luke-jr, sux
14:36 <Lucifer> spidey: true dat
14:36 <luke-jr> screw you
14:36 <spidey> dude
14:36 <spidey> this school sux
14:36 <spidey> i'm sick
14:36 <Lucifer> er, aren
14:36 <spidey> running a fever
14:36 <Lucifer> t you homeschooled?
14:36 <spidey> they still want me to come test
14:37 <spidey> yes and no
14:37 <spidey> it works kinda like college
14:37 <spidey> i get my books, do them, go test at their center
14:37 <spidey> but i'm sick and they still want me to come test
14:37 <spidey> so i get to make other kids sick today
14:38 <spidey> ok i have a algebra 1 question
14:38 <spidey> lets say, | -9 | + | 9 |  <-- anything inside of | | becomes positive yes?
14:39 <spidey> they just gave a example, didn't really explain it
14:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:39 <Lucifer> yes, anything inside || becomes positive
14:39 <spidey> k
14:39 <Lucifer> | | means 'take the magnitude', which is a fancy way of saying "distance from 0"
14:39 <Lucifer> distance is always measured as a positive number, right?
14:39 <luke-jr> or just abs()
14:39 <spidey> yea
14:40 <Lucifer> the magnitude meaning of | | is important when you get into vectors, but you're fine to just think "make this a positive number" when you see it
14:40 <Lucifer> in order of operations, it takes the same precedence as parenthesis
14:40 <spidey> k
14:41 <spidey> 012-6
14:41 <spidey> er
14:41 <spidey> don't laugh -.-
14:42 <spidey> why do they still give latin 1 and latin 2
14:43 <spidey> it's a useless language =/
14:45 <Lucifer> ummm, lots of fields still use latin
14:46 <Lucifer> hell, take latin and you'll know more about catholicism than luke-jr :)
14:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer assumes I don't know Latin
14:46 <spidey> lucifer, that makes me so wanna learn latin more :D
14:46 <spidey> /sarcasm
14:47 <spidey> man i have a bad headache =/
14:49 <luke-jr> cuz u insulted me
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:50 <spidey> pft
14:50 <spidey> had one since yesterday
14:52 <spidey> ok fuck this
14:53 <spidey> they ask for proof of doing math i left my book at home
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14:55 <spidey> luke-jr, what city was jesus born in?
14:56 <Khalsa> Oklahoma City
14:56 <spidey> lol
14:56 <Khalsa> that's what I heard
15:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
15:04 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
15:04 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, Players (1/5): luke-jr
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15:31 -!- manuel_ is now known as z-man
15:31 <Lucifer> I tried to turn in my kids as proof that I could multiply
15:31 <z-man> for math?
15:33 <z-man> In Linux, is there a way to make file ownership and permissions sticky per directory?
15:34 <z-man> I'd like to permanently share the VirtualBox configuration between me and my wife, and it would be useful if VirutalBox would create all its files in a way that they are read- and writable by both of us.
15:37 <Lucifer> hmmmmm, don't know
15:37 <Lucifer> there's a sticky bit, but I don't know what it does
15:37 <Lucifer> you can also set your default groups to the same group
15:38 <z-man> yeah, but virtualBox creates its files as 600 by default :/
15:38 <Lucifer> chmod them?  ;)
15:39 <z-man> It creates new files from time to time.
15:39 <z-man> Not so ofteh that it would be a problem (only when you make a new snapshot), but still.
15:39 <spidey> 1337   < --- nice year for a war to begin xD
15:40 <Lucifer> chmod g+s spcprjdir
15:40 <Lucifer> chmod g+s <the directory>
15:41 <Lucifer> the page I found that on doesn't say whether or not files created 600 in that directory will still be accessible, but it ensures group ownership of a directory anyway
15:41 <Lucifer> then I guess you just have to periodically chmod -R g+rw <the directory>
15:43 <Lucifer> that's all I found
15:43 <z-man> it works for the group ownership, which is a good start, thanks.
15:43 <z-man> Permissions still will be broken, but I remember there being a setting in the enviromnent that changes that.
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15:50 <z-man> umask was the command. Unfortunately, VirtualBox ignores it.
15:52 <z-man> I could just move all files to a FAT partition.
15:55 <z-man> Oh, no, I can't, the files may grow bigger than FAT allows.
16:00 <Lucifer> umask is system-wide and doesn't apply to chmods :)
16:01 <z-man> there also is a shell-context umask.
16:01 <luke-jr> qemu works
16:01 <luke-jr> ☺
16:02 <luke-jr> #armaserver -v luke
16:02 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
16:02 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, No online players.
16:02 <luke-jr> :/
16:02 <Lucifer> right, but you can open a file with certain permissions and it bypasses umask
16:03 <Lucifer> or maybe it's that you can open a file and then chmod it after you've written it, and that bypasses umask
16:03 <luke-jr> #armaconfig shutdown
16:03 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
16:03 <z-man> Whatever VirtualBox does, that's the effect.
16:03 <luke-jr> #armaconfig exit
16:03 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
16:03 <luke-jr> :/
16:03 <Lucifer> my son is insisting on flying his spaceship in front of my face :/
16:04 <z-man> Your face is in space?
16:04 <Lucifer> hmm, maybe I should tell him I'm not wearing a spacesuit
16:05 <luke-jr> z-man: come test my server? :þ
16:05 <z-man> the please abuse one?
16:05 <luke-jr> yes
16:06 <Lucifer> setfacl
16:06 <luke-jr> ACLs get overridden by chmod
16:06 <Lucifer> http://www.groupsrv.com/linux/post-814120.html
16:09 <Lucifer> gotta love classes where the first thing you do in the first chapter, a later chapter makes you do it 3 times per problem, then 10 times per problem, and that's the whole class
16:12 <z-man> sounds like solving linear equation systems.
16:12 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
16:12 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, Players (2/8): gK|Prow, luke-jr
16:12 <z-man> Thanks for the ACL hint, but luke's suspicion proved correct, something in VirutalBox overrides it.
16:12 <luke-jr> it's not a suspicion :þ
16:13 <luke-jr> I know from experience
16:13  * luke-jr actually uses ACLs
16:13 <Lucifer> hmmmm, grep virtualbox sources, find the offending line, and fix it?  ;)
16:14 <Lucifer> you can probably just grep for "chmod", I think that's the posix c function
16:14 <Lucifer> it's the python function anyway, and python swears up and down that it just copies the posix api
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16:30 <luke-jr> z-man: how can I shutdown the server cleanly?
16:32 <z-man> QUIT?
16:36 <luke-jr> …o
16:37 <Lucifer> hey, this method of sections is much better than going joint by joint
16:37 <Lucifer> er, maybe not
16:37  * Lucifer thinks he picked the wrong half of the truss
16:39 <Lucifer> no, maybe it'll work out
16:39 <MrBougo> Lucifer: is it possible to use another ident on IRC than the one given by the identd?
16:40 <Lucifer> er, I don't know?
16:40 <Lucifer> what's an ident?  :)
16:40 <MrBougo> user!ident@host
16:40 <Lucifer> oh yeah, you can change the ident part in your client, I think
16:41 <Lucifer> I can in mine, anyway.  So unless yours is totally worthless.....
16:41 <MrBougo> oh, seems that i have to enable the oidentd support when compiling my psybnc
16:41 <MrBougo> ok, nvm :p
16:46 <Lucifer> man, if it weren't for moments of force, we'd all be stuck going straight
16:50 <Lucifer> grrr, is clockwise positive or negative?
16:51 <GodTodd> negative i believe
16:51 <MrBougo> lol
16:51 <MrBougo> negative indeed
16:52 <Lucifer> ok, then the member's in tension like I thought :)
16:52 <Lucifer> thanks
16:52  * Lucifer always gets those mixed up
16:52 <Lucifer> in most problems, it doesn't matter, as long as you're consistent with your signs
16:54 <MrBougo> moment of force = torque?
16:54 <Lucifer> yes
16:54 <MrBougo> ok
16:55 <Lucifer> hmmm, I seem to have gotten the wrong answer somehow
16:55  * Lucifer wonders how that happened
16:56 <MrBougo> what's the problem?
16:56 <Lucifer> truss
16:57 <MrBougo> i mean
16:57 <MrBougo> what's the exercise
16:57 <Lucifer> I think it would take awhile for me to draw it for you to see it :/
16:57 <MrBougo> ew
16:57 <MrBougo> take a photograph!
16:57 <Lucifer> these trusses are 5 minutes setting up the problem because of drawing
16:58 <luke-jr> anyone know who this "Spike" guy is?
16:58 <MrBougo> ?
16:58 <luke-jr> on Arma
16:58 <MrBougo> no clue
16:58 <MrBougo> heh, synced lines
16:58 <Lucifer> I think I found my error
16:58 <MrBougo> what was it?
16:59 <Lucifer> wrote a force early on as 500 that's actually 250
16:59 <MrBougo> ew
16:59 <Lucifer> it was while taking a moment to find the reaction forces on the support that I'm interested in
16:59 <MrBougo> what unit of force do you guys use in the usa?
16:59 <Lucifer> we use both newtons and pounds
16:59 <MrBougo> oh, a pound is a force unit?
16:59 <Lucifer> this particular problem uses pounds, but I just did one that uses newtons
16:59 <MrBougo> we only use newtons
17:00 <Lucifer> well, heh, there's a force pound and a mass pound, and they're defined as numerically equal
17:00 <Lucifer> but obviously by newton's second law, they can't be
17:00 <Lucifer> until I heard that, i was totally fine with US customary units
17:00 <MrBougo> hehe
17:00 <Lucifer> but after I learned that braindead definition of force and mass units, I decided to jump on the SI bandwagon
17:00 <MrBougo> :D
17:01 <MrBougo> SI? isn't that a french acronym?
17:01 <Lucifer> I'm still going to tease wrtl about it though ;)
17:01 <Lucifer> yeah, french, not belgian
17:01 <Lucifer> in fact, apparently the standard kg has lost mass
17:01 <MrBougo> heh
17:01 <MrBougo> has it?
17:01 <Lucifer> it was in the news a month ago or so
17:01 <MrBougo> everybody became fat!
17:03 <MrBougo> http://www.bipm.org/en/scientific/mass/pictures_mass/prototype.html
17:03 <MrBougo> heh
17:03 <MrBougo> the kilogram
17:05 <Lucifer> yay, it's right now
17:05 <Lucifer> man, I'm glad my instructor gives so little credit for the right answer
17:05 <Lucifer> i'd be screwed
17:05 <MrBougo> :p
17:06 <luke-jr> this guy is pretty suspicious
17:06 <Lucifer> I got an A on my last test with only 1 right answer.  ;)
17:06 <luke-jr> first he gives me "john@aol.com" for admin email
17:06 <luke-jr> now he's not wanting to give a billing address
17:07 <luke-jr> if he was in Cali, I'd suspect him of being Hyphy
17:07 <Lucifer> hey, this problem's got newtons in it
17:07 <GodTodd> fig?
17:07 <GodTodd> they're not cookies, they're fruit and cake
17:08 <Lucifer> man, I could use some fig newtons right now
17:08  * Lucifer is hungry
17:08 <GodTodd> they have this thing that cures that now
17:08 <Lucifer> the nicotine vaccination?
17:08 <GodTodd> no
17:08 <GodTodd> food
17:08 <GodTodd> :)
17:09 <Lucifer> shit, no kidding?
17:09 <GodTodd> yeah
17:09 <Lucifer> when did they come out with that?
17:09 <GodTodd> was in the news a few days ago
17:09 <Lucifer> ooo, I've been studying, hadn't noticed
17:09 <GodTodd> one of those "why didn't i think of that" things
17:10 <MrBougo> heh, thats stuch a nice idea though
17:10 <MrBougo> i should test it out when i get more time
17:10 <Lucifer> how do you explain to a 4 year old why you have to copy the drawing out of a textbook?
17:10 <MrBougo> it's to have fun!
17:11 <MrBougo> funfunfun!
17:11 <GodTodd> tell him it's not good to write in the book?
17:13 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule
17:13 <MrBougo> haha
17:14 <MrBougo> damn i'm still using it to recall the orientation of space
17:14  * MrBougo hides
17:15 <GodTodd> orientation of space is easy...it's up
17:15 <GodTodd> :)
17:15 <MrBougo> errr ok
17:15 <Lucifer> well, if you go down far enough, you'll reach my happy space
17:16 <GodTodd> wouldn't want to bump heads with luke-jr though
17:16 <GodTodd> ;)
17:17 <Lucifer> heh, I'm going to use the big part of the truss just so don't have to determine the 2 force reaction at the support without wheels
17:21 <MrBougo> ¡¡¡¡
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17:24 <MrBougo> what's the translation for truss in french
17:24 <MrBougo> #translate en fr truss
17:24 <armabot> MrBougo: botte
17:24 <MrBougo> omgomg
17:24 <MrBougo> #translate fr en botte
17:24 <armabot> MrBougo: boot
17:24 <MrBougo> :/
17:24 <spidey> lol
17:24 <MrBougo> gah
17:25 <spidey> truss can be many things
17:25 <spidey> just depends what luci ment for it to be =p
17:25 <GodTodd> a truss is generally a support for something
17:26 <GodTodd> now...what it supports varies the actual meaning ;)
17:26 <spidey> =p
17:26 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+truss&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
17:26 <spidey> it has so many definitions
17:26 <spidey> lol
17:27 <GodTodd> yep
17:27 <GodTodd> that's pretty standard for english tho
17:27 <spidey> i'm really not looking forward to today
17:28 <spidey> i'm thinking about going to the doctor instead
17:28 <spidey> maybe he'll make me be able to breathe through my nose >.>
17:30 <MrBougo> huh
17:30 <MrBougo> having a cold?
17:30 <spidey> i guess
17:30 <spidey> hoping it's not the flue
17:30 <spidey> -e
17:30 <MrBougo> flu you mean
17:30 <MrBougo> oh :p
17:31 <spidey> i haven't been sick in over 4 years until now =(
17:31 <MrBougo> :o
17:31 <MrBougo> spider flu
17:31 <MrBougo> gtg
17:31 <MrBougo> i'll be back... SOON
17:31 <spidey> cya
17:31 <MrBougo> heh
17:32 <MrBougo> the only thing you can take over with a netsplit is the topic
17:32 <MrBougo> i figured out
17:32 <spidey> ..
17:32 <spidey> you can't even take that over really
17:32 <MrBougo> when theres a split and you're the only one on the chan, cycle and you can change the topic
17:32 <MrBougo> heh, i did it on swiftirc and on quakenet already
17:32 <spidey> MrBougo, pointless
17:33 <MrBougo> :(
17:33 <spidey> and it depends if you're on the server with chanserv or not
17:33 <spidey> if you're on the server with chanserv you can't do anything you couldn't before =p
17:33 <MrBougo> :o
17:33 <spidey> once the servers are back up
17:33 <spidey> the topic goes back to normal
17:33 <spidey> == pointless
17:33 <MrBougo> yep, i know
17:33 <MrBougo> theres no chanserv here afaik
17:34 <spidey> is so
17:34 <spidey> he's just not in the channel
17:34 <spidey> /msg chanserv help
17:35 <MrBougo> i know :/
17:35  * MrBougo aint a noob
17:35 <MrBougo> or only a bit
17:35 <spidey> lo
17:35 <spidey> l
17:35 <MrBougo> now im out for real
17:35 <MrBougo> but I'LL BE BACK HAHHAA
17:35 <MrBougo> *oughcoughcough*
17:35 <spidey> no you wont'
17:36 <MrBougo> ok :(
17:36 <MrBougo> /kick MrBougo
17:36 <MrBougo> * #armagetron :You need to be a channel operator to do that
17:36 <spidey> /part spidey pwns me
17:36 <MrBougo> I SHOULDNT
17:36 <spidey> works better
17:36 <MrBougo> i deserve the right to kick myself
17:36 <MrBougo> nah spidey
17:36 <MrBougo> for some reason, on xchat you have to do /part #armagetron bleh
17:37 <MrBougo> or /part alone
17:37 <MrBougo> i made an alias
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17:37 <MrBougo> damn, i was just demonstrating it.....
17:37 <MrBougo> forgot the double slash
17:37 <spidey> lol
17:37 <MrBougo> /p something
17:37 <MrBougo> so /p spidey pwns me
17:38 <spidey> <=== supreme overlord of the galaxy
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17:39 <spidey> :<
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17:58 <Lucifer> let's put the x in sex
18:01 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss
18:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7367 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fixed pedantic new warnings in GCC 4.1.3.
18:03 <Lucifer> the primary reason open source software improves with time is because GCC gets more anal with each release
18:05 <z-man> Yeah :)
18:07 <z-man> Now, is there a way to compile with "make -j <bla>" and still get error locations in emacs?
18:08 <Lucifer> I think so, I think distcc still gives you the output of the other process
18:09 <Lucifer> hey, now that I've got every computer running the same distribution, binary even, I should setup distcc again
18:09 <z-man> Yeah, but emacs also parses make's "entering directory xyz" messages...
18:09 <Lucifer> yeah, it'll still get those for sure
18:09 <Lucifer> make isn't distributed, distcc wraps gcc, not make
18:09 <z-man> and with -j, it doesn't know which directory the current error message comes from.
18:09 <z-man> same problem :)
18:09 <Lucifer> ah, I see
18:10 <Lucifer> color-gcc?  ;)
18:10  * Lucifer uses color-gcc
18:10 <z-man> does that help emacs?
18:10 <Lucifer> not that I do much compiling....
18:10 <Lucifer> no, it doesn't help your specific problem at all
18:10 <z-man> but it looks pretty?
18:10 <Lucifer> but errors will be red, and warnings yellow, etc, so it's easier to find stuff in the terminal
18:11  * z-man uses -Werror
18:11 <Lucifer> so yes, you'll be able to quickly find error messages in a big window full of horribly long gcc invocations
18:12 <z-man> Finding the error itself is not the problem, getting the source file it was from automatically is.
18:12 <Lucifer> I think distcc and color-gcc are compatible with each other, but didn't experiment with it enough to know for certain
18:12 <Lucifer> are you definitely having the problem now, or just trying to anticipate it?
18:12 <Lucifer> I seem to recall make waiting for all distcc processes to finish before it leaves a directory...
18:13 <z-man> I definitely ran make -j from emacs and it didn't find the locations of the errors, and leaving the -j away fixed that.
18:13 <z-man> but it's not really a problem problem.
18:13 <Lucifer> (not that distcc is required for -j, just having a multi-core system benefits)
18:14 <Lucifer> hmmm, I think I've given you everything I've got on the subject right now :)
18:14 <z-man> Yeah, I'll just have to hack something if it's that important to me :)
18:16 <Lucifer> there might be flag to tell make to wait before leaving a directory, but it could just be some emacs developer decided that -j meant it couldn't track anything, so emacs may not be trying hard enough
18:16 <Lucifer> press the "try harder" button
18:20 <GodTodd> is that anywhere near the "any key"?
18:21 <z-man> No, next to the F1 key you have to press when you don't have a keyboard connected.
18:24  * GodTodd saw a shirt once that had an error box of "An error has occurred, press ok to continue" and then had "yes" and "no" buttons
18:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually, that's one of the points i mentioned to you when we discussed it ;)
18:38 <wrtlprnft> sort of, at least
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18:40 <z-man> meh, /me will just use "make -j 3 || make -k"
18:47 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: there is another mass unit in the us customary system, it's just not used very much
18:48 <Lucifer> I had at least one physics teacher and one calc teacher tell me there was no such thing as mass pounds, but then we spent some time in my statics class talking about it
18:50 <Lucifer> what do you do when you've triple-checked all of your computations, and you still disagree with the book's answer?
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18:53 <GodTodd> you decide that education is useless, drop out and form a failing hosting company :)
18:53 <Lucifer> lemme double check this :)
18:53 <Lucifer> so, the moment of force given by the formula rFsin(theta)
18:53 <Lucifer> theta is the angle between the force vector and the position vector, right?
18:54 <GodTodd> i beieve so, yeah
18:54 <GodTodd> believe*
18:54 <Lucifer> well, I can't see it being any other angle
18:54 <Lucifer> and when it's 90 degrees where sin is 1, you get just F*d
18:55 <GodTodd> heh...for a moment there i read that as fucked
18:55 <GodTodd> ;)
18:56 <Lucifer> I found my distance two ways and got the same number
18:58 <Lucifer> #math calc -240*2 - 360*4 - 240*6 - 120*8 + 840*8
18:58 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
18:58 <Lucifer> er, what?
18:59 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*8)
19:00 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
19:00 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*9)
19:00 <armabot> Lucifer: 3240
19:01 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*8)
19:01 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
19:02 <Lucifer> that's annoying
19:02 <Lucifer> my calculator gave me a different answer
19:02  * Lucifer wants to blame his calculator, but when he typed it in exactly as he did here, calculator gave 2400
19:09 <z-man> Sneaky little thing.
19:09 <Lucifer> #math calc (240*2) + (360*4) + (240*6) + (120*8) - (840*8)
19:09 <armabot> Lucifer: -2400
19:09 <Lucifer> man, I was totally spot on on the last problem, this one I'm just screwing everything up
19:16 <Lucifer> comes a time when you just have to move on
19:35 <GodTodd> hrmm...known good ubuntu disk (i've installed two machines with it) starts to boot on an older laptop but only boots into command line....
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19:46 <QUARG> hello
19:47 <QUARG> i was in the middle of doing the sty patch, suring the make i got this error.
19:47 <QUARG> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `armagetronad_main.c', needed by `armagetronad_main.o'.  Stop.
19:47 <QUARG> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
19:47 <QUARG> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
19:47 <QUARG> make: *** [all] Error 2
19:47 <QUARG> modemcable004:~/Desktop/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1 quarg$
19:48 <QUARG> i am using macos in the terminal app to do the patching as discribed in the wiki
19:48 <epsy> so, what was the output of ./configure ?
19:48 <QUARG> lookigin
19:49 <QUARG> its quite long do you want me to post it all here?
19:50 <QUARG> or just the last few lines
19:50 <epsy> pastebin.ca
19:51 <QUARG> http://pastebin.ca/767400
19:52 <QUARG> config is on ine 40
19:52 <QUARG> i got the source code from the dl page on the armagetron,net
19:55 <QUARG> can i redo the whole process on the same source file a second time or do i have to start fresh?
19:59 <epsy> sorry back
19:59 <QUARG> sok
19:59 <QUARG> though i missed you ;)
19:59 <epsy> #
19:59 <epsy> -bash: svn: command not found
19:59 <epsy> good start :/
19:59 <QUARG> that was my first attempt at getting the source
19:59 <QUARG> so i went and dled it from arma.net
20:00 <epsy> not sure the lastet pigsty works with stable
20:01 <QUARG> mmm might be the issue
20:01 <QUARG> which version would you suggest?
20:02 <QUARG> is the sty patch included in the newest source?
20:02 <QUARG> maybe there is no need to patch it
20:02 <QUARG> just compile the newest source
20:03 <epsy> no
20:03 <epsy> it's not in lastet svn
20:03 <epsy> and it'ill never be
20:04 <epsy> not in it's form, at least ;)
20:04 <epsy> URL : https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad
20:04 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad <dir>
20:05 <QUARG> what is this page?
20:05 <epsy> but you need to install svn first
20:05 <epsy> i'ts the svn repository
20:07 <QUARG> what is the <dir>?
20:08 <QUARG> this is the line suggested in the wiki
20:08 <QUARG> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad armagetronad
20:10 <QUARG> im not sure what you mean by install the svn
20:15 <epsy> http://subversion.tigris.org/
20:15 <epsy> install that
20:16 <epsy> <dir> is the dir you want the files to be put in
20:18 <QUARG> im  running macos
20:18 <QUARG> that seems to be for windows
20:20 <epsy> you didn't really look in it
20:21 <epsy> go to downloads and see if it's really for wingblows
20:22 <QUARG> my mistake sorrry
20:22 <epsy> :P
20:24 <QUARG> seems to have installed succesfuly
20:24 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad <dir>
20:24 <epsy> now dl the svn
20:24 <epsy> (svn repo)
20:25 <QUARG> temporarily or permanently?
20:25 <epsy> ??
20:26 <QUARG> Error validating server certificate for 'https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net:443':
20:26 <QUARG>  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
20:26 <QUARG>    fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
20:26 <QUARG> Certificate information:
20:26 <QUARG>  - Hostname: *.svn.sourceforge.net
20:26 <QUARG>  - Valid: from Oct  9 14:15:07 2007 GMT until Dec  8 15:15:07 2008 GMT
20:26 <QUARG>  - Issuer: Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, Equifax, US
20:26 <QUARG>  - Fingerprint: fb:75:6c:40:58:ae:21:8c:63:dd:1b:7b:6a:7d:bb:8c:74:36:e7:8a
20:26 <QUARG> (R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently?
20:26 <epsy> ah
20:26 <epsy> as you like
20:26 <QUARG> eureka
20:27 <QUARG> svn: 'armagetron' does not appear to be a URL
20:27 <epsy> add a / after 'armagetron'
20:29 <QUARG> do i have to create a new folder on my dektop as a target?
20:29 <QUARG> or will it creat one
20:29 <epsy> it'ill create <dir> as needed, then i'ill put contents in there
20:29 <QUARG> thought so ty
20:31 <QUARG> svn: URL 'https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/armagetronad' doesn't exist
20:31 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:32 <epsy> i said you to put a / after armagetron
20:32 <epsy> *armagetronad
20:32 <QUARG> aaaa
20:33 <QUARG> um i did
20:33 <QUARG> this line means im in the main directory right?
20:34 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:34 <epsy> this line is your command prompt
20:34 <epsy> it invites you to type something ^^
20:34 <epsy> and also tells the current user and the current working dir
20:35 <epsy> wait
20:35 <epsy> at the end of the line
20:35 <epsy> you put 'armagetronad' 2 times
20:35 <QUARG> my desktop is /users/quarg
20:35 <epsy> there it's only one
20:35 <epsy> ~ = home directory
20:36 <QUARG> its doing something
20:36 <QUARG> Checked out revision 7367.
20:36 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:37 <epsy> ok now you have the right svn versions :)
20:37 <epsy> cd into the dir it just made
20:37 <QUARG> i dont see it
20:37 <epsy> ?
20:38 <QUARG> i dont were it went
20:38 <QUARG> should i be on my comp?
20:38 <epsy> you should be on the same shell we were already
20:39 <epsy> well
20:39 <epsy> if you do 'ls' what happens ?
20:39 <epsy> does the dir we just made show up ?
20:40 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$ ls
20:40 <QUARG> Desktop                 Movies                  Send Registration
20:40 <QUARG> Documents               Music                   Sites
20:40 <QUARG> Incomplete              Pictures                armagetronad
20:40 <QUARG> Library                 Public                  dedicated
20:40 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:40 <epsy> cd into the dir we just made
20:41 <QUARG> ok
20:41 <QUARG> then apply the patch and the rest
20:41 <QUARG> modemcable004:~/armagetronad quarg$
20:42 <epsy> indeed
20:42 <QUARG> ill give it a go and tell you how it comes out
20:42 <QUARG> pray for me:)
20:43 <QUARG> thankyou for your patients and help.
20:44 <QUARG> im not there yet sorry
20:46 <QUARG> bootstrap failed
20:46 <epsy> bost output on pastebin
20:47 <QUARG> http://pastebin.ca/767470
20:47 <QUARG> src/Makefile.am:166: invalid unused variable name: `armagetronad_main_master_SOURCES'
20:48 <QUARG> i must go out for a bit
20:48 <QUARG> should be back in 30 mins or so
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21:46 <MrBougo> hello supreme overlord
22:00 <QUARG> back
22:33 <QUARG> epsy how can i get the svn as a folder on my desktop?
22:39 <epsy> erm...
22:39 <epsy> open finder on your home folder
22:39 <QUARG> ok
22:41 <QUARG> it doesnt show
22:41 <QUARG> would i have to have selected permanent?
22:42 <QUARG> o i think i have found were it goes ty
22:43 <QUARG> i am going to try and use xcode instead
22:43 <epsy> ok ^^
22:43 <QUARG> might have better luck
22:44 <QUARG> its a mac application dev tool
22:45 <epsy> i know what it is
22:45 <epsy> i just have no clue on how to help you then
22:45 <QUARG> lol that makes 2 of us :)
22:45 <QUARG> ill wing it
22:45 <QUARG> thanx for everything epsy
22:45 <epsy> yw
22:46 <QUARG> even if it didnt work i still learned something today.
22:47 <epsy> lol!
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23:35 <GodTodd> anyone here really good with spreadsheet programs?
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01:17 <luke-jr> define "really good"
01:17 <ct|kyle> you re a n00b
01:19 <luke-jr> ct|kyle:
01:19 <luke-jr>  שטח דיסק
01:28 <Lucifer> I am
01:28 <Lucifer> er, that was in response to GodTodd (hi there!)
01:28 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer
01:28 <Lucifer> ui
01:31 <ct|kyle> so radiant heat?
01:33 <Lucifer> what about it?
01:33 <Lucifer> that's what we're up against, isn't it?  ;)
01:33 <ct|kyle> is that what we are going to use?
01:44 <Lucifer> ?
01:44 <Lucifer> er, maybe you should be more specific about what you're asking :)
01:44 <Lucifer> have you tried checking out the subversion repository?
01:44 <ct|kyle> ya i have it
01:46 <Lucifer> so, during the day, we've got radiant heat to deal with
01:46 <Lucifer> we need to quantify that somehow in the lunar surface conditions file
01:47 <ct|kyle> btw how do i use this t2t
01:48 <Lucifer> you mean to edit the file, or to render it to something?
01:48 <ct|kyle> yes
01:49 <Lucifer> use any plaintext editor with which you're comfortable
01:49 <Lucifer> you're using linux, right?
01:49 <ct|kyle> yes
01:49 <ct|kyle> gentoo
01:50 <Lucifer> there's a syntax highlighter file available for kate
01:50 <Lucifer> kubuntu ships with it, or maybe it installs with txt2tags, I forget
01:50 <Lucifer> then, when you want to render it, you go in a terminal to the document and say:
01:50 <ct|kyle> yes i have santex hilighter
01:50 <Lucifer> txt2tags thefile.t2t
01:51 <Lucifer> there's some other options, like to make html with nice css (so we can provide a stylesheet that makes it look awesome) you do:
01:51 <Lucifer> txt2tags --html --css-sugar thefile.t2t
01:51 <Lucifer> I forget arguments sometimes :)
01:51 <Lucifer> you should install a latex package if you want to print
01:52 <Lucifer> then you do, for example (I print from pdf):
01:52 <Lucifer> txt2tags --tex thefile.t2t && latex -output-format=pdf thefile.tex
01:52 <Lucifer> you can print the html files if you want, doesn't matter a whole lot, but if we're going to print for presentation purposes (like to solicit funding) we'll want to go through latex
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02:01 <ct|kyle> ok
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02:09 <GodTodd> Lucifer: in response to my call for help on the spreadsheet thing...nvm i figured it out :)
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02:31 <ct|kyle> lucifer ping
02:35 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: pong
02:35 <Lucifer> this time of night I have a million things going on behind me that need attention, I feel like a kernel scheduler and all the tasks its scheduling rolled into one
02:36 <ct|kyle> i've been looking into acumulating power
02:37 <ct|kyle> Radioisotope thermoelectric generator
02:42 <GodTodd> Lucifer: what's the rover svn repo in case i get a chance to help out
02:44 <Lucifer> GodTodd: er, I forget.  :)
02:44 <Lucifer> I'll have to make a user for you
02:44 <Lucifer> er, you already have a user, I think
02:44 <Lucifer> lemme check it in a minute
02:44 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: isn't that where you toss up some plutonium or other radioactive material?
02:45 <GodTodd> Lucifer: unless you've deleted my user, i've already got one :P
02:45 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i think so
02:45 <Lucifer> it's probably safe to rule out anything that requires IAEA approval and oversight :)
02:46 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I rearranged and the old repositories are still hidden, just haven't had time to bring them back yet
02:46 <Lucifer> they're active in the sense that any attempt to work on them will be stopped until I fix it :)
02:46 <ct|kyle> I don't know i think this may be the best change to survive the night
02:46 <GodTodd> heh
02:46 <Lucifer> http://svn.davefancella.com/login/  <--- have you seen this screen yet?
02:46 <ct|kyle> chance*
02:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: heh, depends on how it works out.  Find out what isotopes we can use and how easy they are to get hold of?
02:47 <Lucifer> plutonium and uranium are probably out, they cost probably more than we'd win.  :)
02:47 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: that is what i'm working on
02:47 <Lucifer> ko
02:47 <Lucifer> curious about Radon, that's supposed to be relatively common
02:49 <Lucifer> GodTodd: added you to the group
02:49 <Lucifer> login on that login screen and there's a checkout url in there somewhere
02:50 <GodTodd> yeah
02:50 <GodTodd> got it :)
02:51 <Lucifer> you probably also noticed some projects that were missing, like the website :/
02:51 <GodTodd> yeah
02:51 <Lucifer> probably I need to add usvn to its own repository and just start hacking on it when I have time, it's nice but needs work
02:52 <Lucifer> like with the trevor group, I clicked to add you, but it's a listbox, so everybody else got deselected
02:52 <Lucifer> meaning I had to go back through and shift-click everybody :/
02:52 <Lucifer> they're still there, but they can't be accessed since usvn took control of the group file
02:52 <Lucifer> so I need to get usvn to import them somehow
02:53 <GodTodd> svn: URL 'https://svn.davefancella.com/trevor/trunk' doesn't exist
02:54 <Lucifer> er
02:54 <Lucifer> take trunk off
02:54 <Lucifer> I deleted it
02:57 <GodTodd> coo
02:57 <GodTodd> got it
02:57 <GodTodd> (might want to revise the url listed on usvn then ;))
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03:12 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it's automatically generated
03:12 <GodTodd> ah
03:13 <Lucifer> I need a tabbed pdf viewer
03:13 <Lucifer> aha, konqueror :)
03:14 <GodTodd> is there anything it *can't* do? ;)
03:15 <Lucifer> well, it wiped my ass the other day, so I'm gonna have to say no
03:26 <GodTodd> heh
03:27 <GodTodd> oh...btw...i have karen dual booting vista and ubuntu
03:28 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: wich one do you use the most?
03:28 <GodTodd> soon as she figures out how to get her work stuff working through wine she wants me to wipe vista
03:28 <GodTodd> i don't use vista at all
03:28 <ct|kyle> good
03:28 <GodTodd> i tried it on her new lappy and hated it
03:29 <GodTodd> ive used it for about 10 total minutes
03:29 <Lucifer> heh, she didn't like vista either?  ;)
03:29 <GodTodd> i use ubuntu personally
03:29 <ct|kyle> i used it for a month while it was free
03:29 <GodTodd> she hates it almost as much as i do :)
03:30 <GodTodd> one good thing about vista...should help the linux market share grow :)
03:30 <ct|kyle> ya
03:31 <ct|kyle> that is what i predicted
03:31 <GodTodd> she's already been very impressed with ubuntu
03:32 <GodTodd> yeah...people at school thought i was crazy when i predicted microsoft to be a small player in oses by around 2020 or 2030
03:32 <ct|kyle> i like gentoo
03:32 <GodTodd> i stand by it tho
03:32 <GodTodd> relatively small player*
03:33 <GodTodd> linux is getting better/stronger and windows is getting weaker/stupider....easy math to do :)
03:34 <ct|kyle> ya
03:34 <ct|kyle> what linux really needs now is Direct X support
03:35 <luke-jr> DirectX sucks
03:35 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: SUCKS
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03:37 <GodTodd> honestly i haven't run into a situation where i *had* to run anything in windows....i don't even have to run wine much
03:37 <GodTodd> linux has so much choice of stuff to use to do anything i want to do
03:38 <GodTodd> if my youngest's laptop didn't have issues with the boot disk i'd set it up so that he never uses windows at home
03:38 <GodTodd> ever
03:38 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: yes but game compatibility is what the problem is right now
03:39 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't game much...i'm a boring schoolwork/writer type ;)
03:39 <ct|kyle> heh
03:39 <ct|kyle> I use Wine for 1 app, that i probably could get something just as good
03:40 <GodTodd> hell...my wife even worked her way through getting m$ money working on ubuntu
03:40 <GodTodd> unfortunately linux has yet to come up with personal accounting software that we like
03:40 <ct|kyle> my bigest problem right now is i am forced to take this office 2007 class
03:41 <GodTodd> sorry :)
03:41 <ct|kyle> and i'll probbaly have to take visual C++
03:41 <GodTodd> i'm lucky...my java teachers don't care how we program the stuff...so i use kate and javac
03:41 <GodTodd> :)
03:42 <ct|kyle> i like eclipse for java
03:42 <GodTodd> eclipse is ok...but a memory hog
03:42 <GodTodd> as is netbeans
03:43 <luke-jr> I used kwrite and gcj
03:43 <ct|kyle> college for me is pointless right now
03:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i won't get into the good stuff for around another couple semesters
03:44 <GodTodd> tho physics is the beginning of the fun stuff
03:44 <GodTodd> :)
03:45 <ct|kyle> what sucks is i have to retake math classes in order to take physics
03:45 <luke-jr> college is always pointless
03:45 <GodTodd> what math classes you have to retake?
03:45 <ct|kyle> i had this question
03:45 <ct|kyle> ____ transfers files between local and remote host computers.
03:46 <GodTodd> heh
03:46 <GodTodd> go with "magic"
03:46 <GodTodd> :)
03:46 <ct|kyle> TCP and FTP were choices
03:47 <GodTodd> i still say "magic"
03:47 <ct|kyle> trigonometry
03:47 <ct|kyle> i puth TCP and got it wrond
03:47 <ct|kyle> wrong*
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03:48 <GodTodd> since august of 06 i've had to take trig, precal, calculus and calculus 2
03:48 <GodTodd> yeah...for a braindead class i would have gone with ftp
03:49 <GodTodd> when i was getting my AAS i pissed off my comp literacy teacher
03:49 <GodTodd> i argued with her over disk defragmenter
03:50 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: argue
03:50 <GodTodd> she was insistent that you never want to schedule it to run because defragmenting too often would wear out your HDD
03:50 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: FTP uses TCP
03:50 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: i did and got the points back
03:50 <luke-jr> FTP is also not the only way to transfer files
03:51 <luke-jr> HTTP also works
03:51 <luke-jr> as does TFTP, but TFTP is not TCP
03:51 <ct|kyle> ya P2P
03:51 <luke-jr> actually, if I were the teacher, I could justify TCP being wrong ;)
03:52 <luke-jr> but FTP being right is just dumb, since FTP should never be used
03:52 <luke-jr> while on the practical level, TCP does transfer files, it doesn't on the theoretical/conceptual level
03:55 <ct|kyle> well heh i show you another one i argued and got
03:56 <ct|kyle> ____________________ software is designed to analyze and control incoming and outgoing packets.
03:56 <ct|kyle> Proxy or Firewall
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04:15 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that's because tcp isn't a file transfer protocol
04:15 <Lucifer> saying tcp transfers files is nearly as braindead as saying IP transfers files
04:15 <ct|kyle> but TCP transres packets which are basicly files
04:16 <Lucifer> no they're not, they're just collections of arbitrary data
04:16 <Lucifer> hell, because tcp controls the transmission (i.e. ensures everything arrives in the same order it was sent), it has to send a lot of packets that are primarily conversational
04:17 <Lucifer> ftp is a protocol, a real file transfer protocol, and it can be implemented on top of tcp, udp, stdin/stdout, unix domain sockets, etc.
04:17 <Lucifer> of course, the implementation that's "standard" is implemented on top of tcp
04:18 <Lucifer> but you know, I guess it's ok, since a lot of people do call their cars "wheels"
04:19 <ct|kyle> i can't figure out why i put proxie for ____________________ software is designed to analyze and control incoming and outgoing packets.
04:20 <Lucifer> I would have put "Windows update"
04:20 <ct|kyle> heh
04:20 <ct|kyle> it gave you 4 choices
04:20 <ct|kyle> firewall is what it was
04:21 <ct|kyle> but i still got points for proxie
04:25 <ct|kyle> i also decided an RTG should not be used
04:25 <Lucifer> rtg?
04:25  * Lucifer has seen that acronym before, but doesn't remember what it means
04:25 <Lucifer> Real Thick Girl?
04:25 <ct|kyle> radioisotope thermoelectric generator
04:25 <Lucifer> ah, right
04:25 <Lucifer> what convinced you?
04:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I think I agree with her, but for different reasons
04:25 <Lucifer> A disk defragmenter should never be scheduled automatically because you should always use a filesystem that takes pains to store files as efficiently as possible to begin with
04:26 <Lucifer> I guess that choice isn't available in windows
04:26 <Lucifer> does ntfs do anything like that?
04:26 <GodTodd> exactly
04:26 <GodTodd> but my point was that defragmenting doesn't damage the drive
04:26 <GodTodd> anymore than storing files in the first place does
04:26 <Lucifer> not directly, but it does contribute to wear
04:27 <Lucifer> right, exactly.  :)
04:27 <Lucifer> Her point was either superstitious mumbojumbo (there used to be an argument over whether or not defragmenting was dangerous), or that
04:27 <GodTodd> hers was the mubojumbo
04:27 <GodTodd> mumbo*
04:27 <GodTodd> she was an idiot :)
04:27 <Lucifer> if you schedule it to run when nobody would otherwise be using it, you're causing additional wear and tear that wouldn't have happened, therefore shortening the apparent life, um, duration, of the drive :)
04:28 <Lucifer> but that's a downright philosophical question, really
04:28 <GodTodd> personally i would rather run linux and forget defragmenting :)
04:28 <Lucifer> man, that's something that always irritated me about that old argument
04:28 <Lucifer> all you're doing is copying data from disk into memory, and then saving it back to disk
04:28 <GodTodd> right
04:28 <Lucifer> sure, you're rearranging how it's physically arranged on disk
04:29 <Lucifer> I think it's the word "defragment" that people freaked out about
04:29 <GodTodd> probably
04:29 <Lucifer> it just sounds horrible and nasty
04:29 <GodTodd> if windows didn't just willy nilly throw shit on the drive, defragmenting would not have to exist
04:29 <Lucifer> like, if you go to your doctor and he says he has to defragment your arteries and veins to prevent a heart attack, that just sounds horrible
04:29 <ct|kyle> lol it actualy slows computer speeds down
04:30 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that all depends on the software doing it, really.  It can theoretically increase the speed of your machine for a time
04:30 <Lucifer> at least, back when it was noticeable.  I think it's no longer noticeable
04:30 <Lucifer> not that it matters for me, I'm with GodTodd (hi there!) , just use a filesystem that doesn't suck
04:30 <ct|kyle> it depends of free space left on drive
04:30 <Lucifer> it's seek times it's minimizing
04:31 <ct|kyle> NTFS does not even partition a driver corectly
04:31 <Lucifer> by putting all of a file in a contiguous and sequential block, you don't have to seek all over the other discs or platters or whatever they're called to get the whole file
04:31 <Lucifer> you just put your head at the beginning and read in a straight line (more or less) to the end
04:32 <Lucifer> heh
04:32 <Lucifer> my dad told me a couple of years back that he scheduled a defrag to run every night so his computer always ran as fast as possible
04:32 <ct|kyle> heh
04:32 <Lucifer> then he asked me how often I defrag, and I said "I use a filesystem that doesn't suck"
04:33 <GodTodd> that's what else sucks on it...you have to have 15% free to optimize the defragmenting...i *never* have 15% free
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:33 <Lucifer> I've never seen an ext3 filesystem gain more than about 2% of non-contiguous blocks
04:33 <Lucifer> and I've gone long periods between formatting and shit :)
04:34 <ct|kyle> i just reloaded my PC
04:34 <Lucifer> really, you can defrag on the fly
04:34 <ct|kyle> not because of performance but because GCC got removed
04:34 <Lucifer> heh, so you couldn't reinstall it?
04:35  * Lucifer likes binary distributions for regular use
04:35  * Lucifer is totally uninterested in this paper
04:35 <Lucifer> do I really want to even write the B paper, or just get out with a C?
04:36 <Lucifer> actually, the defragging thing caught my dad's attention.  He was convinced that since he'd never seen any tools for defragging a linux machine that it sucked
04:37 <Lucifer> then he realized we don't have those tools because we don't need them (they're out there, though, if you look hard enough)
04:37 <Lucifer> not convinced enough to make the switch, but enough to take it more seriously
04:37 <GodTodd> i'm scared to even look at the vista defragger
04:38 <Lucifer> it probably has to call MS for every block and ask if it should keep it or throw it away
04:38 <ct|kyle> heh probably
04:38 <Lucifer> so how far's karen with running her work apps in linux?
04:39 <GodTodd> she is there except for her work vpn client
04:43 <Lucifer> ah, so when she wants to work at home (heh), she has to use windows, but the rest of the time doesn't
04:43 <Lucifer> ?
04:43 <GodTodd> right
04:43  * Lucifer just stuck a linux box in front of my wife and gave her a yes or no option
04:43 <Lucifer> (and she got mad when I thought silence meant no)
04:43 <GodTodd> heh
04:48  * luke-jr 's wife has been using KDE for years
04:48 <ct|kyle> heh i just found the patent for my tape measure. It's design does not match the one i have in front of me
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04:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr's wife will accept any second rate thing in her life so her using it isn't exactly an indication of widespread useability
05:01 <GodTodd> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2007/11/09/447492.aspx <---- scary
05:02 <Lucifer> well, you know, if she's dumb enough to marry luke, then her using linux is a testament to its ease of use
05:03 <ct|kyle> exactly what i was thinking
05:03  * Lucifer waits for luke to say linux isn't easy to use
05:04 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work luke-jr
05:04 <armabot> ♪ luke-jr is obsolete. ♫
05:04 <Lucifer> #luke-jr-work sex
05:04 <armabot> ♪ sex is obsolete. ♫
05:05 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
05:05 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
05:05 <GodTodd> is it lack of intelligence or advantageous naivete that caused her to throw her life away that way tho?
05:05 <Lucifer> drugs
05:05 <GodTodd> #dict naivete
05:05 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: naivete n : lack of sophistication or worldliness [syn: {naivety}, {naiveness}] [ant: {sophistication}]; gcide: Naivet'e \Na`["i]ve`t['e]"\, n. [F. See {Na["i]ve}, and cf. {Nativity}.] 1. The state or quality of being naive; lack of sophistication or worldliness. Syn: naivete, naiveness. [1913 Webster + WordNet 1.5 + PJC] A story which pleases (2 more messages)
05:05 <Lucifer> she ate an aqua dot
05:05 <GodTodd> ok...i did spell it right :)
05:06 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I promised to email a link to that article to my chem teacher
05:06 <Lucifer> maybe if I do that, she'll finally give me back my last test :)
05:07 <GodTodd> although...if luke's wife was out to just make sure that no other woman would find him attractive enough to want to cheat with him...then she couldn't have chosen better :)
05:07 <ct|kyle> heh
05:08 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: probably threatened to kill her, if she did not marry him
05:08 <GodTodd> tho i could say the same about Lucifer ;)
05:08 <GodTodd> badup tss
05:09 <GodTodd> heh...my inlaws had mediation today
05:10 <GodTodd> 7 hours and nothing accomplished...good thing they had lawyers there...only would have taken an hour or so without them ;)
05:16 <ct|kyle> #night
05:16 <armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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05:16 <Lucifer> mediation?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah
05:17 <Lucifer> they suing somebody?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah...that dude that hit robbie
05:17 <Lucifer> oh.  I thought he got the chair or something
05:17 <Lucifer> i.e. can't sue a dead man
05:17 <GodTodd> no
05:17 <GodTodd> he got 5 years
05:18 <GodTodd> and served 2.5 to 3
05:18 <Lucifer> that's a slap on the wrist
05:18 <Lucifer> it should be robbie's coma + 5 years :)
05:18 <GodTodd> that was just for the chick he killed
05:18 <GodTodd> 10 years probation for the assault on robbie
05:18 <Lucifer> justice in america
05:19 <Lucifer> if you intentionally crash an airplane into a building, we go bomb everybody in a certain part of the world
05:19 <GodTodd> now the inlaws are trying to get stipulations that he have to work with robbie regularly as the civil punishment
05:19 <Lucifer> get drunk and kill someone and put someone else in a coma, we'll just take care of you for a few years and let you go
05:19 <Lucifer> american justice, I love it
05:19 <GodTodd> they have a 5 million judgement they can pull at any time
05:19 <Lucifer> if it weren't for american justice, we might be, well, I don't know, someone else
05:20 <Lucifer> against him?  but he can't pay it, what happens then?
05:20 <GodTodd> then it goes as a debt
05:20 <GodTodd> so if he hits the lottery or something it comes off the top
05:21 <GodTodd> they don't want the money tho
05:21 <Lucifer> no, of course not.  It makes no difference if he's just gonna go out and get smashed and smash someone again
05:21 <GodTodd> yeah...the american justice system kinda sucks but it's all we got ;)
05:21 <GodTodd> exactly
05:21 <GodTodd> they want him to realize fully what his actions caused
05:22 <Lucifer> give me 5 minutes with him.  He'll either come around, or he won't walk out :)
05:22 <GodTodd> robbie's going on 5 years as a vegetable
05:22 <GodTodd> yeah...they don't want me in the room with him
05:22 <GodTodd> heh
05:23 <GodTodd> thing is....apparently there's a no contact stipulation in his parole
05:23 <Lucifer> that's sensible, if he holds a grudge....
05:24 <Lucifer> actually, it's probably standard for assaults
05:24 <GodTodd> i think they're more worried about the families holding a grudge
05:24 <GodTodd> after all...one family lost a young girl
05:24 <GodTodd> she was 16 i think
05:24 <Lucifer> hey, if he a) doesn't do it again, and b) does whatever he can to help Robbie, there's no reason to hold a grudge
05:24 <GodTodd> exactly their point :)
05:25 <Lucifer> yeah.  by all the pictures I saw, she was pretty hot too
05:25 <GodTodd> yeah
05:25 <GodTodd> she was
05:25 <Lucifer> well, he doesn't have to come over and help very much, he could just send regular checks to help pay for medical care and make himself available to relieve them so they can go out sometime
05:25 <Lucifer> he could make regular visits and be sociable and stuff
05:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i think 10% of his income is part of the deal
05:26 <Lucifer> if it has to be forced from him, they should just lock him back up
05:27 <GodTodd> i think working with robbie would teach the bastard more than 100 years in jail
05:27 <Lucifer> I agree, actually, but I've known too many irresponsible criminal types
05:27 <Lucifer> I guess I'm just cynical
05:27 <GodTodd> yeah
05:27 <GodTodd> i am too
05:27 <GodTodd> i keep telling karen that i don't think he'll do the right thing
05:27 <Lucifer> I'd like to think he could work with Robbie for awhile and come around to the view I think is good and healthy and lets everybody move on from here
05:27 <luke-jr> KDE is easy to use
05:28 <Lucifer> but I don't believe it for a minute.  Cynical.
05:28 <GodTodd> i hope i'm wrong but something tells me he's looking to sweep it all under the rug
05:28 <Lucifer> he's probably in pretty bad shape over it himself, to be honest
05:28 <GodTodd> i'm sure he is
05:28 <Lucifer> so he wants to take the natural response, which is to hide it
05:28 <GodTodd> otherwise he's not human
05:28 <Lucifer> heh
05:29 <Lucifer> so maybe a couple of years of forced exposure to Robbie, like 4 hours every two weeks, might eventually bring him around
05:29 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i'm hoping
05:29 <Lucifer> he might even come back and thank y'all for doing it and making him a better person
05:29 <GodTodd> that's a little too optimistic for my world view ;)
05:30 <GodTodd> some say the glass is half full
05:30 <GodTodd> some say it's half empty
05:30 <Lucifer> well, the flip side is I'v eknown quite a few people who had been irresponsible criminal types and had some event that changed them in that way
05:30 <GodTodd> i say, you made the glass twice as big as you had to
05:30 <Lucifer> heh
05:31 <Lucifer> so, there's a doctor, a chemist, and an engineer playing on the golf course
05:31 <Lucifer> they come up on this foursome that's playing and have to wait
05:31 <Lucifer> the doctor says "What's taking them so long?"
05:31 <Lucifer> the caddy tells him "Those are the firefighters that put out the fire in the clubhouse last year.  They get to play free golf anytime they want.  They lost their eyesight in the fire."
05:32 <Lucifer> the doctor says "Oh, that's terrible!  Is there nothing medical science can do for thsoe poor guys?"
05:32 <Lucifer> the chemist says "Oh, that's terrible!  Is there no chemical that could have been used that wouldn't have blinded them?"
05:32 <Lucifer> the engineer says "Why don't they just play at night?"
05:32 <GodTodd> heh
05:43 <GodTodd> a chemist, a physicist and a mathematician are on a camping trip
05:43 <GodTodd> they go to open a can of beans for dinner and realize no one brought a can opener
05:44 <GodTodd> the chemist says "I'm sure I could find a chemical here in nature that would eat away the metal and leave the beans alone."
05:45 <GodTodd> the physicist says "No, I think we should do a controlled heating of the can until the pressure of the expanding air pops the can open."
05:45 <GodTodd> the mathematician thinks for a minute then says "Hell, why don't we just assume the can is open and we can eat right now."
07:24 <luke-jr> lol
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07:45 <MrBougo> #ping
07:45 <armabot> pong
07:45 <MrBougo> heh
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09:45 <P4> luke-jr: spam_maxlen 100
10:05 <MrBougo> amen
10:05 <P4> what was then?
10:05 <P4> that*
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12:13 <cusco> howdy
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16:02 <z-man> tonybbb's internet search competence must be the lowest I've ever seen.
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16:58 <MrBougo> beh
16:58 <MrBougo> i can't find any way to anonymize on that irc network
16:58 <MrBougo> they detect proxies, cgi:irc's
16:59 <MrBougo> the only way i found is to use.... a bouncer
16:59 <MrBougo> but i can't find any shell
16:59 <MrBougo> i have a shell, but my user name there is mrbougo :/
16:59 <MrBougo> any idea for me?
17:03 <epsy> noob7_away has a bnc
17:03 <epsy> lol z-man
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17:17 <spidey> MrBougo, they don't detect all proxies
17:17 <spidey> i bet they just use a blacklist
17:17 <spidey> because port scanning everyone that connects = a bit excessive
17:18 <spidey> try using a "high anonymous" or "elite proxy"
17:18 <spidey> socks 5 and that allows irc
17:20 <spidey> and great, my ears are starting to drain -.-
17:38 <P4> MrBougo: TOR
17:38 <P4> or ask staff about cloak
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18:49 <Kriki6> hi all
18:50 <Kriki6> i  would like to ask you here if anyone knows how to hack with pigsty patch,i am working on making a "shooting sumo"
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19:25 <Kriki6> dies anyone know how to hack with pigsty patch :S?!
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19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 3 steps
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 1.  Open text editor
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 2.  Hack arma source code with pigsty patch
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 3.  Compile, run, play
19:32 <Kriki5> hi all
19:32 <Kriki5> lucifer? what is this?
19:32 <Kriki5> you mean steps how to patch
19:32 <Lucifer_bed> answer to your question?
19:32 <Kriki5> well...
19:33 <Kriki5> i got to web tron CTF hacking
19:35 <Kriki5> ok i download it AGAIN
19:35 <Lucifer_bed> er, maybe you should phrase your question in a form that it's asking whatever it is you really want to know
19:35 <Kriki5> text editor you mean open it on web or on file called "pigsty 061021
19:35  * Kriki5 wants to make shooting sumo
19:36 <Kriki5> P4 was telling me somethink
19:36 <Kriki5> but i got confused
19:37 <Kriki5> Angel said that i should search for some player called "wrtpl" she said hes the best in this....
19:37 <Kriki5> :O
19:37 <Kriki5> :) is he in here?
19:37 <GodTodd> you mean wrtlprnft?
19:38 <Kriki5> idk
19:38 <Kriki5> maybe
19:39 <GodTodd> only one way to see if he's here...
19:39 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: ping
19:39 <Kriki5> -.-
19:39 <Kriki5> i can see him that he is here :S
19:39 <GodTodd> he's here...but might not be "here"
19:39 <Kriki5> anyone can help me make shooting sumo :S
19:40 <Kriki5> details...
19:40 <Kriki5> with bigzones of players,win zone,shooting fast as in FA|Shooting Gallery,Little labirint and maybe teams
19:40 <Kriki5> :P
19:41  * Kriki5 has 2 servers 1 sumo 1 fortress :S
19:41 <Kriki5> :)
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19:43 <MrBougo> P4: i tried tor too
19:43 <MrBougo> spidey: do you have good sources for proxies?
19:53 <MrBougo> spidey , p4 ?
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20:10 <MrBougo> spidey: the only working irc proxies i found are on very very tiny lists, and blacklisted by the network
20:20 <MrBougo> apparently, the network uses BOPM
20:20 <MrBougo> Blitzed Open Proxy Monitor
20:20 <luke-jr> #later tell Durka btw, you have an imposter who goes by the name Spike
20:20 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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20:51 <cusco_> 18:48:37 <purplehash> lmfao, your domain say's virgin =P
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20:57 <Bougo> :o
20:57 <cusco> wa sup
21:00 <cusco> :)
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23:38 <Durka_> #lastseen durka
23:38 <armabot> Durka_: Durka has last been seen on Solo Fortress (new game mode by Luke-Jr) 13 hours 38 minutes ago.
23:38 <Durka_> #lastseen spike
23:38 <armabot> Durka_: spike has last been seen on  Wild West  =CTF Shooting= 5 hours 23 minutes ago.
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23:47 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* looks like i missed him…
23:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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Log from 2007-11-11:
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00:05 <Lucifer_bed> #google spell crucifixion
00:05 <armabot> Lucifer_bed: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
00:05 <P4> #dict english crucifixion
00:05 <armabot> P4: wn: crucifixion n 1: the act of executing by a method widespread in the ancient world; the victim's hands and feet are bound or nailed to a cross 2: the death of Jesus on the cross 3: the infliction of extremely painful punishment or suffering [syn: {excruciation}]; gcide: Crucifixion \Cru`ci*fix"ion\ (kr?`s?-f?k"sh?n), n. 1. The act of nailing or fastening a person to a cross, for the purpose (9 more messages)
00:11 <Lucifer_bed> GodTodd: I almost have a good mla config file for txt2tags for ya :)
00:11 <GodTodd> cool
00:12 <GodTodd> :)
00:12 <Lucifer_bed> requires latex to work, but should be relatively easy to modify for html and the rest
00:12 <Lucifer_bed> there's an mla macro package for latex that does the doublespacing and crap already :)
00:13 <GodTodd> i just mainly want an easy way to be able to post samples on the website(s)
00:18 <Lucifer_bed> ah, not quite there actually
00:18 <Lucifer_bed> this is for papers for school, afaic :)
00:19 <Lucifer_bed> but that same mla package could probably be used in lyx for the same purpose
00:19 <Lucifer_bed> I'm just really grooving with txt2tags right now
00:21 <GodTodd> heh...i haven't had much chance to investigate it
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01:15 <epsy> luke-jr, your solo fortress is broken
01:15 <epsy> i get a ctxt == NULL error while loading map
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02:07 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
02:15 <luke-jr> #later tell epsy you mean your client is broken
02:15 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
02:28 <luke-jr> philippeqc: how goes trunk fixing? ☺
02:29 <GodTodd> #later tell epsy luke-jr just wants you to know that if anything goes wrong with anything he's involved with that it could not possibly be his fault since no one as perfect as him has ever walked the earth.
02:29 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
02:30 <luke-jr> #later tell epsy p.s. ignore GodTodd's idiocy
02:30 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
02:30 <GodTodd> #later tell luke-jr you're a moron :)
02:30 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
02:30 <luke-jr> #tell GodTodd you need to learn the difference between second person and first
02:31 <luke-jr> #later tell GodTodd you need to learn the difference between second person and first
02:31 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
02:31 <GodTodd> i know the difference
02:31 <GodTodd> do you?
02:32 <GodTodd> support your idiotic stance or stfu please :)
02:35 <luke-jr> #later tell GodTodd you need to learn the difference between second person and first
02:35 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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02:56 <GodTodd> support your idiotic stance or stfu please :)
02:56 <GodTodd> luke-jr: support your idiotic stance or stfu please :)
02:56 <cusco> he just did both ways
02:56 <cusco> can I join
02:57 <GodTodd> who did what both ways?
02:59 <luke-jr> #svn
02:59 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
03:01 <GodTodd> #luke-jr_work luke-jr
03:01 <armabot> ♪ luke-jr is obsolete. ♫
03:02 <luke-jr> #luke-jr_work GodTodd
03:02 <armabot> ♪ GodTodd is obsolete. ♫
03:02 <luke-jr> ♬
03:02 <GodTodd> imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :)
03:03 <GodTodd> in case that's over your head...that means that you copying my actions means you think i rule :)
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03:07 <cusco> jee
03:08 <cusco> needs a big alter ego to make such statement
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03:36 <GodTodd> no....needs a knowledge of the idioms of a language
03:36 <GodTodd> :)
03:37 <GodTodd> btw...an "alter" ego is another personality
03:45 <Lucifer> guru3: ping
03:45 <Lucifer> heh, he's probably asleep or something
03:45 <Lucifer> #luke-jr_work sleep
03:45 <armabot> ♪ sleep is obsolete. ♫
03:59 <GodTodd> norman mailer died
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04:10 <Lucifer> who's norman mailer?
04:13 <GodTodd> pulitzer prize winning writer...
04:13 <Lucifer> ah, I see.  found his wikipedia page
04:13 <GodTodd> yeah
04:13 <Lucifer> looks like he was a wifebeater
04:13 <GodTodd> pretty famous dude
04:14 <cusco> GodTodd: another personallity, being your irced one
04:14 <GodTodd> yeah...but he was famous nontheless :)
04:14 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:14 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 53.6°F (9:18 PM CST on November 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 28.83 in 976.2 hPa (Falling).
04:14 <GodTodd> nah...i have one personality thanks :)
04:14 <cusco> np
04:14 <Lucifer> well, OJ still gets press as the only black guy ever to go to court and be found not guilty
04:15 <Lucifer> that last sentence was on topic, it just might take some maneuvering to see it
04:15 <GodTodd> Lucifer: for now...i think they'll get him this time
04:15 <GodTodd> cochran isn't there to save him :)
04:16 <Lucifer> eh?  They missed him, he's always going to have that honor, even if some later court convicts him for some unrelated act
04:16 <GodTodd> yeah...but he'll end up in jail anyway
04:16 <GodTodd> even if it's for a different crime
04:19 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:19 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Plano (Custer and Legacy), Plano, Texas is 72.1°F (9:24 PM CST on November 10, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
04:21 <GodTodd> wonder if i should whip out some scripts...writer's strike in hollywood :)
04:21 <Lucifer> heh
04:21 <Lucifer> well, the mla thing I've got worked out pretty nice
04:21 <Lucifer> want to see a paper written with it?
04:21  * GodTodd would have no problem being a scab ;)
04:21 <GodTodd> sure
04:22 <GodTodd> connection actively refused
04:22 <Lucifer> er
04:22 <Lucifer> oh, I know what's happening
04:23 <Lucifer> try to accept it again now
04:23 <GodTodd> you have to try and send it again
04:24 <Lucifer> that's annoying, heh
04:24 <GodTodd> i know :/
04:24 <Lucifer> I put dcc file transfers on the freeciv port when I ran my freeciv server on my laptop
04:24 <GodTodd> heh
04:24 <Lucifer> then redirected when I got dedicated hardware for the server
04:25 <Lucifer> there's an extra page I haven't figured out how to suppress, but if you're just going to print it, you can throw that page away pretty easily
04:25 <GodTodd> looks good :)
04:25 <Lucifer> I need to pull out the stuff I made for txt2tags and bundle it with the latex style file still
04:26 <Lucifer> basically I created a works cited tag and some additional fields that makes it all work
04:26 <Lucifer> work with the mla style file I found, anyway
04:26 <Lucifer> still need to come up with a good html/xhtml representation
04:26 <Lucifer> oh yeah, made a custom tag for the bibliography
04:27 <Lucifer> you need pretty much the whole texlive package for it
04:27 <Lucifer> so if you need it for any more papers and you want to use it, let me know.  :)  I'm getting addicted to plaintext writing
04:30 <GodTodd> heh
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07:36 <MrBougo> hay
07:37 <MrBougo> spidey: afk?
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10:56 <spidey> MrBougo, what?
10:56 <MrBougo> wait
10:56 <MrBougo> later :p
10:56 <spidey> ...
10:56 <spidey> it's now or never
10:56 <spidey> i'm about to play cs:s
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12:06 <guru3> Lucifer: pong
12:19 <spidey> guru3, he's busy taking over heaven
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12:19 <guru3> mm
12:31 <cusco> hail
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15:27  * Sticky__ sees the irony as arma segfaults with the message: "(core dumped)"
15:35 <deja_vu> xD
15:53 <MrBougo> :o
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16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7368 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Prepared potentially better system time code on Windows (to work around dual Athlon problems with QueryPerformanceCounter()).
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17:53 <xfroggy> .lastseen dook
17:53 <xfroggy> #lastseen dook
17:53 <armabot> xfroggy: timed out
17:53 <xfroggy> #lastseen dook
17:54 <armabot> xfroggy: timed out
18:02 <cusco> #lastseen cusco
18:02 <armabot> cusco: cusco has last been seen on Cusco's Dungeon -- pigsty (high rubber, speedy and shooting) 2 hours 26 minutes ago.
18:07 <Lucifer> guru3: damn, I forgot why I pinged you
18:14 <cusco> #ping cusco
18:14 <armabot> pong
18:14 <cusco> cool
18:14 <cusco> or not really
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18:35 <MrBougo> spidey: afk?
18:35 <MrBougo> pingyping
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18:50 <epsy> Durka_, you have to admin our match :O
18:50 <Durka_> epsy, server's full
18:51 <epsy> not anymore
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19:13 <MaZuffeR> tr won first match 100-98 :(
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19:27 <vinavil> i'm translating aa in italian. can anybody explain me the function of cycle_sound_speed?
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19:32 <vinavil> cycle_sound_speed no help?
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20:01 <cusco> whats the ping charity for?
20:08 <vinavil> The maximum ping (in ms) you are willing to take over from the other players. The server will reduce their ping and increase yours, until you have equal ping or the maximum transfer set by this menuitem is hit.
20:09 <cusco> well if my ping is normally high
20:09 <cusco> should that be high or low?
20:09 <cusco> I mean in the client settings
20:10 <cusco> or it makes no real difference to me
20:10 <xfroggy> it's a server side option
20:10 <cusco> no, my client as a setting like that
20:10 <cusco> hold
20:11 <cusco> on "network setup"
20:11 <cusco> is that for the option to create a server?
20:11 <cusco> nevermind then
20:11 <xfroggy> lol
20:11 <cusco> thanks :p
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20:25 <xfroggy> _mkzelda, :D
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20:38 <epsy> duh
20:38 <xfroggy> Durka_,
20:39 <epsy> Durka_, Durka_,
20:39 <xfroggy> Durka_, he always runs away
20:39 <Durka_> :o
20:39 <xfroggy> Durka_, http://durkas.info/afl/schedule.php?team=tr
20:40 <xfroggy> Twisted Rats/td>
20:40 <xfroggy> ^^
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20:41 <Durka_> xfroggy: fixed
20:41 <epsy> looks like my gfx card wont load it
20:41 <xfroggy> :D
20:42 <xfroggy> hmm, KoD vs SP, this should be interesting
20:42 <xfroggy> I'm hoping you are not defending Durka_ :D
20:43 <Durka_> xD
20:43 <xfroggy> Psyko will eat u alive :S
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20:46 <epsy> i have a problems with a moviepack :\
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22:11 <Durka_> #m Lucifer Would you be opposed to getting rid of the MVP part?
22:11 <armabot> Durka_: The operation succeeded.
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22:47 <vinavil> where can i find a legend of "/x" expressions in english_base?
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22:50 <Lucifer> vinavil: the only such thing I know about is in the source itself
22:51 <Lucifer> #m Durka* yes, unless you have a good reason besides convenience.  My method of choosing over the summer was suboptimal...
22:51 <armabot> Lucifer: The operation succeeded.
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23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7369 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (engine/eTimer.cpp tools/tSysTime.cpp):
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Well, the new timer code did the same as the old one, so instead of activating
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: it, the high resolution timer is now dropped in favor of the old low resolution
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: timer (which is then smoothed) if the high resolution timer is making trouble.
23:09 <ToddKitchen> hrmm what's that command to see what's mounted/connected where?
23:10 <Lucifer> df -h
23:10 <ToddKitchen> not that one
23:10 <ToddKitchen> heh
23:10 <Lucifer> ummm, that tells you
23:10 <Lucifer> it's the only one I know, I think
23:11 <ToddKitchen> it doesn't show this secondary drive in this machine
23:11 <Lucifer> mtab is the file that contains the information of what's connected now, fstab is how you configure it
23:11 <Lucifer> secondary drive?  ide drive?
23:11 <ToddKitchen> yep
23:11 <Lucifer> if it doesn't show, it's not mounted
23:11 <ToddKitchen> the one that's got our movies and shit on it
23:11 <Lucifer> is it master or slave?
23:12 <ToddKitchen> i figured that
23:12 <ToddKitchen> slave
23:12 <Lucifer> then it's going to be....
23:12 <Lucifer>  /dev/hdd
23:12 <Lucifer> with numbers to indicate partitions
23:13 <ToddKitchen> well...the master is /dev/sda1
23:13 <Lucifer> ls /dev/hd*
23:13 <Lucifer> then it's serial ata?
23:13 <ToddKitchen> not that i know of
23:13 <Lucifer> wait, the master is a cdrom?
23:13 <Lucifer> or other disc drive*
23:13 <ToddKitchen> nope
23:14 <Lucifer> well, all devices, existent or nonexistant, are in /dev
23:14 <Lucifer> ls /dev/hd* should give you a list of hard drives
23:14 <ToddKitchen> todd@kitchen-desktop:~$ ls /dev/sd*
23:14 <ToddKitchen> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1
23:14 <Lucifer> ls /dev/sd* might give you another list
23:14 <ToddKitchen>  /dev/hd* gave me nothing
23:15 <Lucifer> a is supposed to be primary master and b primary slave
23:15 <ToddKitchen> i'm trying to do is get this printer and these drives shared :/
23:15 <Lucifer> you sure it's in the secondary spot?
23:15 <ToddKitchen> hasn't moved
23:15 <ToddKitchen> and it was with last install
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23:17 <Lucifer> ls /proc/ide
23:17 <ToddKitchen> drivers
23:17 <Lucifer> that's all that's there?
23:17 <ToddKitchen> yep
23:18 <ToddKitchen> todd@kitchen-desktop:~$ ls /proc/ide
23:18 <ToddKitchen> drivers
23:18 <Lucifer> are these scsi drives?
23:18 <ToddKitchen> no
23:18 <Lucifer> that's what sd* is, scsi
23:18 <ToddKitchen> they weren't before
23:18 <Lucifer> doesn't mean the hardware's scsi, just that they're being accessed that way
23:18 <Lucifer> you're sure you plugged it in?
23:18 <ToddKitchen> i haven't *un* plugged it
23:18 <Lucifer> this is a regular tower computer?
23:18 <Lucifer> is it a really ancient hard drive?
23:19 <ToddKitchen> regular tower computer, yes...secondary drive is about 4 years old
23:19 <ToddKitchen> like i said...it worked beautifully before
23:19 <ToddKitchen> nothing hardware has changed
23:20 <Lucifer> this is a gusty installation now?
23:20 <ToddKitchen> yep
23:20 <ToddKitchen> feisty worked greak
23:20 <ToddKitchen> great*
23:20 <Lucifer> did you install kubuntu itself, or are you using ubuntu + kde?
23:20 <ToddKitchen> ubuntu + kde
23:21 <Lucifer> hmmm, did you try a gui tool to see if it can see it?
23:21 <ToddKitchen> yes
23:21 <Lucifer> kubuntu has a pretty decent system settings app that works like the mac os x one
23:21 <Lucifer> and it can't see it?
23:21 <ToddKitchen> nope
23:21 <Lucifer> probably a missing kernel module, I'll bet
23:21 <ToddKitchen> it sees the machine on the network
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23:21 <ToddKitchen> no drives tho
23:21 <Lucifer> it's plugged into the motherboard itself?
23:22 <Lucifer> i.e. not an external card with an ide interface?
23:22 <ToddKitchen> correct
23:22 <Lucifer> what's the chipset?
23:22 <ToddKitchen> don't know?
23:23 <Lucifer> dave@ghostwheel:~/school$ ls /proc/ide
23:23 <Lucifer> amd74xx  drivers  hda  hdc  ide0  ide1
23:23 <Lucifer> in that, hda and hdc are symlinks to devices in /dev, and ide0 and ide1 are directories
23:23 <Lucifer> the other two are files
23:23 <Lucifer> that's what you should have, or something like it
23:23 <ToddKitchen> i showed you what i have
23:23 <ToddKitchen> :P
23:24 <Lucifer> dave@ghostwheel:~/school$ ls /proc/scsi
23:24 <Lucifer> device_info  scsi
23:24 <Lucifer> that's what's in scsi
23:24 <Lucifer> do lspci
23:24 <Lucifer> 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 IDE (rev a5)  <--- you're looking for something like this
23:25 <ToddKitchen> 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
23:31 <Lucifer> I'm not finding anything about it
23:31 <Lucifer> er, maybe I should google with gutsy in the name :)
23:34 <ToddKitchen> ok...i can see it in konsole now
23:34 <ToddKitchen> checking on gui
23:35 <Lucifer> what worked?
23:35 <ToddKitchen> todd@kitchen-desktop:~$ sudo ntfsmount -o umask=2 /dev/sdb1 ~/kitchenstorage
23:35 <ToddKitchen> but i'm not sure where to look on gui
23:35 <Lucifer> heh, I was going to suggest just trying to do it :)
23:36 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I need to fix my printer
23:37 <ToddKitchen> any idea where it is on the network now? ;)
23:37 <ToddKitchen> heh
23:37 <Lucifer> the drive you just mounted?
23:37 <ToddKitchen> yeah
23:37 <Lucifer> trying to use samba or nfs?
23:38  * Lucifer reminds himself to dig up the sshfs thing
23:38 <ToddKitchen> right now, samba
23:38 <ToddKitchen> but really anything that works
23:38 <ToddKitchen> heh
23:38 <Lucifer> kde's got a browser for that
23:38 <ToddKitchen> yeah, remote places
23:38 <ToddKitchen> but i can't find it
23:40 <Lucifer> I don't know how to use it, and didn't manage to figure it out
23:42 <Lucifer> aha, I plugged it into the wrong computer!
23:46 <Lucifer> er, never had it plugged in
23:46 <Lucifer> that was dumb
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23:57 <ToddKitchen> hrmm...i have it mounted to /home/todd/kitchenstorage....how do i get it to smb://kitchen-desktop/ ?
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00:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7370 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: Added desktop resolution text.
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00:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7371 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added desktop size detection for SDL >= 1.2.10 and added desktop size as a choice for a screen resolution.
00:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7372 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/render/rScreen.cpp: Fixed blank screen error when user reverts to an older SDL version.
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00:45 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7373 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/render/rScreen.cpp: Whoops, fixed server compilation.
01:16 <Lucifer> ToddKitchen: I don't know the answer to that question
01:16 <Lucifer> apparently I just thought that to myself and didn't actually answer at the time, heh
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01:18 <Lucifer> http://www.ubuntux.org/fuse-sshfs
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01:21 <Lucifer> http://www.ubuntux.org/fuse-sshfs
01:22 <Lucifer> GodTodd: some of us setup ssh servers on our other machines so we don't have to run all over the house to admin them
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01:31 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i'm not running all over the house
01:32 <GodTodd> i have to run all over the house to print, currently :/
01:33 <Lucifer> ping corwin.davefancella.com
01:34 <GodTodd> heh
01:36 <Lucifer> get anything?
01:36 <Lucifer> er, maybe it wasn't so obvious, that was a request for someone to ping that host :)
01:37 <GodTodd> got packet loss :)
01:37 <GodTodd> todd@todd-laptop:~$ ping corwin.davefancella.com
01:37 <GodTodd> PING luciferarma.kicks-ass.net (70.243.82.198) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:37 <GodTodd> --- luciferarma.kicks-ass.net ping statistics ---
01:37 <GodTodd> 13 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 12010ms
01:38 <Lucifer> what if you ping www.davefancella.com ?
01:39 <GodTodd> todd@todd-laptop:~$ ping www.davefancella.com
01:39 <GodTodd> PING luciferarma.kicks-ass.net (70.243.82.198) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:39 <GodTodd> --- luciferarma.kicks-ass.net ping statistics ---
01:39 <GodTodd> 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5999ms
01:40 <Lucifer> does it open in a web browser?
01:41 <Lucifer> wow, this sshfs appears to be fast enough to stream music on the lan
01:41 <GodTodd> yeah...both our websites show up
01:43 <Lucifer> does corwin.davefancella.com show anything in a web browser?
01:43  * Lucifer suspects an internal dns problem
01:44 <GodTodd> yeah http://corwin.davefancella.com goes to your site
01:50 <GodTodd> There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'server-error-service-unavailable'.
01:51 <GodTodd> what exactly does that mean?
01:54 <Lucifer> it means something didn't work
01:54 <Lucifer> usually it means restart the cups server
01:56 <GodTodd> i've done that a lot
01:57 <Lucifer> ah, I'm getting it now
01:57 <Lucifer> coo'
01:57 <Lucifer> that error means it's not connecting to cups itself
01:57 <Lucifer> it might mean the printer is not configured for some reason
01:57 <Lucifer> are you getting it on a linux machine?
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02:00 <GodTodd> yeah
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02:00 <GodTodd> my laptop
02:00 <GodTodd> printer config thing sees the remote printers but when i try to select them i get that error
02:01 <Lucifer> ummm, something with cups configuration, maybe?
02:01 <Lucifer> I always have problems setting up the cups daemon :/
02:01 <GodTodd> heh i have no clue
02:01 <GodTodd> all i know is i'm tired of having to move everything to the kitchen machine to print
02:01 <GodTodd> :/
02:02 <Lucifer> now, how do I run a command when I login, and then another command when I logout?
02:21 <Lucifer> http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/11/business/11dilbert.php
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03:14 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:14 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 63.3°F (8:17 PM CST on November 11, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 28.85 in 976.9 hPa (Rising).
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05:01 <GodTodd> yay! i'm printing from the living room again :)
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05:12 <luke-jr> …
05:13 <luke-jr> you're easily amused
05:13 <GodTodd> yes, i am, apparently because you're not on ignore :)
05:18 <Lucifer> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
05:18 <armabot> Lucifer: [05:17:54] <luke-jr> you're easily amused, [05:17:46] <luke-jr> …, [03:07:08] <luke-jr> ♬, [03:06:57] <luke-jr> #luke-jr_work GodTodd, [03:04:39] <luke-jr> #svn, [02:40:18] <luke-jr> #later tell GodTodd you need to learn the difference between second person and first, [02:35:54] <luke-jr> #later tell GodTodd you need to learn the difference between second person and first, [02:35:42] (1 more message)
05:19 <Lucifer> I'm about ready to pick delta3d for the simulator
05:20 <GodTodd> is it cool? :)
05:20 <luke-jr> no
05:20 <Lucifer> yeah
05:21 <GodTodd> luke-jr says no...that means you should pick it now :)
05:21 <Lucifer> uses ode for the backend physics, though
05:21 <Lucifer> what does he now about doing anything productive and useful?
05:21 <luke-jr> ☺
05:22 <GodTodd> truly
05:23 <GodTodd> well...he *snicker* runs a very successful hosting business :)
05:24 <Lucifer> that's like running a taxi service
05:24 <Lucifer> I have a car :)
05:24 <GodTodd> heh
05:28 <GodTodd> stupid writers
05:31 <Lucifer> ?
05:31 <GodTodd> hollyweird
05:31 <Lucifer> gave in?
05:31 <GodTodd> no
05:31 <GodTodd> haven't earned the money they're already getting
05:32 <GodTodd> it'd be like bill gates raising his prices....oh, yeah ;)
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08:06 <luke-jr> #later tell *z-man* Do we really open, write, close for every ladder/score log line⁇
08:06 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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14:59 <freako> #
15:02 <freako> #sd freako
15:02 <armabot> freako: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “freako” at the moment, sorry.
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15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7378 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (language/english_base.txt src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Added CYCLE_SPEED_MAX.
15:56 <ToddKitchen_> .
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16:06 <n0nsense> hello
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17:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7379 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/deutsch.txt: Translated. Phew. Work.
17:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7380 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: Minor corrections.
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17:34 <MrBougo> spidey: ping?
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18:14 <spidey> ?
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20:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7382 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (27 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 7180 to 7381:
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7381 | z-man | 2007-11-12 19:27:58 +0100 (Mon, 12 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  Removed deprecated/wrong entries.
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7380 | z-man | 2007-11-12 17:07:45 +0100 (Mon, 12 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
20:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7383 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: adapted to the possibility that no libruby.a exists and libruby1.8.a needs to be used instead (cheers Ubuntu).
20:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7384 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Removed unused variable.
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22:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7386 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/ (rGL.h rTextureRenderTarget.cpp): Whoops, fixed server compilation.
22:28 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7387 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Improved switching from motion blurred to nonblurred operation.
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03:07 <luke-jr> guru3: ping
03:07 <luke-jr> or anyone else
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03:30 <luke-jr> ghableska: !
03:30 <luke-jr> libervisco:
03:30 <luke-jr> !
03:30 <luke-jr> ‼
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04:32 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:32 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 68.7°F (9:37 PM CST on November 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Steady).
04:56 <Lucifer> looks like we have a winner
04:56 <Lucifer> http://playerstage.sourceforge.net/
04:56 <Lucifer> it's everything :)
04:56 <Lucifer> network server provides access to sensors and making commands, python library for the control program, etc.
04:57 <Lucifer> used by robotics researchers all over the world
05:51 <spidey> no
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06:04 <Lucifer> why not?
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10:13 <luke-jr> z-man:
10:13 <luke-jr> --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-uninstall --enable-multiver=0.2.8 --disable-useradd --disable-etc --disable-initscripts
10:13 <luke-jr> none of those affect recordings, do they?
10:14 <z-man> Not to my knowledge.
10:15 <luke-jr> :/
10:20 <z-man> And yes, I think we do open the log file every time we write to it. It only happens every once in a while, and I think it is better for log files (users may move the file away and stuff).
10:21 <luke-jr> er, happens only every once in a while != every time we write to it…
10:21 <luke-jr> and if I move the log file, why wouldn't i want Arma to follow?
10:37 <z-man> because it won't follow the next time it is restarted anyway.
10:46 <luke-jr> so?
10:47 <luke-jr> it will if I have a symlink in place before then
11:08 <luke-jr> z-man: replied again
11:37 <z-man> symlink? what symlink?
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15:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7389 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_visualc/armagetronad.nsi:
15:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed default recording path, it now lands on the actual user's desktop.
15:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Added file association so you can watch recordings by doubleclicking on them.
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17:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7390 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rGL.cpp: Removed annoying error printing, will take care of the errors later.
17:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7391 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetObject.cpp nNetObject.h nNetwork.h): Made sync/reation reading a bit more flexible. No use if ReadSync uses m.End() to see whether more data is avaiable, but it's a start.
17:20 <MaZuffeR> http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id74839.html I thought Finland was a free country :/
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17:55 <luke-jr> z-man: any way to make playback go in realtime?
17:56 <z-man> The server playback? No, I'm afraid not, it always fast forwards. You'd need to hack an usleep() into the timer read function.
17:58 <luke-jr> :/
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21:43 <Lucifer> wow, player is really neat
21:43 <Lucifer> in fact, it provides right about where I wanted to be in just a few months
21:44 <luke-jr> lol
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23:06 <GodTodd> #last --with sourceforge --from Lucifer
23:06 <armabot> GodTodd: [05:01:23] <Lucifer> http://playerstage.sourceforge.net/
23:10 <Lucifer> sudo apt-get robot-player-dev
23:10 <Lucifer> :)
23:12 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it has a roomba driver
23:12 <Lucifer> could probably add to the driver so it actually controls the whole robot
23:12 <Lucifer> (it doesn't support the vacuum part right or the cliff detector)
23:16 <GodTodd> ah
23:16 <Lucifer> man, I want to just start coding
23:17 <Lucifer> I'm convinced player is good enough for now, and we can hack player itself later, since we were already pretty much looking at doing the simulator in c++
23:17 <Lucifer> my wife needs to get home, I'm a take my laptop to work and start in on a robot :)
23:17 <Lucifer> I fired up player with the stage simulator and checked out the examples.  Pretty neat stuff.  ;)
23:18 <Lucifer> http://playerstage.sourceforge.net/doc/Player-cvs/player/start.html  <--- do this
23:19 <Lucifer> if you installed player with apt-get, you need to change the paths to /usr/share instead of /usr/local/share
23:19 <Lucifer> and the example bots are in /usr/share/player/examples iirc
23:19 <Lucifer> there's no gazebo in ubuntu repositories, so we probably have to look at building that
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23:33 <GodTodd> change paths where now?
23:36  * GodTodd doesn't have /usr/share/player/examples...
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23:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7392 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ui/ (uInput.cpp uInput.h): Removed reference to global keymap from header.
23:49 <luke-jr> O.o
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00:16 <Lucifer> GodTodd: what package did you install?
00:16 <Lucifer> robot-player-dev should have pulled in robot-player
00:16 <Lucifer> if you built from source, then the directions don't need to be changed
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01:46 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
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04:57 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer* pong
04:57 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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05:13 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping :)
05:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer: pong :)
05:15 <Lucifer> did you install player from source or from apt-get?
05:15 <GodTodd> apt get
05:15 <Lucifer> sudo apt-get install python-playerc
05:15 <Lucifer> I couldn't get the ada bindings to work
05:15 <Lucifer> then, to start the 2d simulator:
05:15 <Lucifer> robot-player /usr/share/stage/worlds/everything.cfg
05:16 <Lucifer> if you do an svn update of the trevor repository, I just put in the sample python bot that's in the player docs
05:16 <Lucifer> because, like I said, I couldn't get the ada bindings to work
05:17 <Lucifer> you have to install the 3d simulator from source, apparently, which isn't that bad
05:17 <GodTodd> error   : unable to open world file /usr/share/stage/worlds/everything.cfg : No such file or directory
05:17 <GodTodd> error   : failed to load config file /usr/share/stage/worlds/everything.cfg
05:19 <Lucifer> did you install the -dev package too?
05:19 <GodTodd> yep
05:19 <Lucifer> robot-player-dev ?
05:19 <Lucifer> hmmm
05:19 <Lucifer> -doc package?
05:19  * Lucifer wonders why those files would be in the -doc package
05:20 <GodTodd> didn't work
05:20 <Lucifer> aha, stage
05:20 <Lucifer> sudo apt-get install stage
05:20 <Lucifer> duh :)
05:20 <Lucifer> you have to install the simulator too :)
05:23 <GodTodd> ok...what's it do now? :)
05:24 <Lucifer> so, you have it running with a window open?
05:24 <GodTodd> yeah
05:24 <Lucifer> ok, here's how its setup
05:24 <Lucifer> stage is the simulator
05:24 <Lucifer> player is a network server that provides access to the hardware
05:24 <Lucifer> so to make it do something, you need to run another program to control it
05:25 <Lucifer> you can look at possibilities in /usr/share/player/examples, I believe
05:25 <Lucifer> yeah, there's some in there
05:25 <Lucifer> examples for different apis
05:26 <Lucifer> playerv --position2d --laser   <--- this gives you a visualization of the robot's sensors
05:26 <Lucifer> er
05:26 <Lucifer> robot-playerv
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05:35 <GodTodd> interesting
05:45 <Lucifer> 2-3 second communication delay to the moon, apparently
05:45 <Lucifer> so, did you get a robot to walk around?
05:45  * Lucifer explored a map a little while ago
05:45 <Lucifer> by hand, not running a program
05:47 <GodTodd> no...they just sit there
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05:49 <Lucifer> er, did you run any programs to run them?
05:49 <Lucifer>  /usr/share/player/examples/libplayerc++/laserobstacleavoid
05:49 <Lucifer> that one just walks around and tries not to hit anything
05:52 <GodTodd> none of them are walking
05:53 <Lucifer> sure?
05:53 <Lucifer> hang on, close it and start a different world
05:53 <Lucifer> that one's huge with lots of robots
05:53 <GodTodd> unless they're really really slow....
05:53 <Lucifer> player /usr/share/stage/worlds/simple.cfg
05:53 <Lucifer> robot-player /usr/share/stage/worlds/simple.cfg
05:54 <Lucifer> there's only one in there
05:54 <Lucifer> and you can see the whole map in one window :)
05:54 <Lucifer> then run the laserobstacleavoid one
05:54 <GodTodd> is he supposed to start moving right away?
05:55 <Lucifer> did you start the laserobstacleavoid program?
05:55 <GodTodd> yep
05:55 <Lucifer> then yes
05:55 <GodTodd> he's not
05:55 <Lucifer> I'm watching him move on my screen right now
05:55 <Lucifer> do you have the other thing connected?
05:55 <Lucifer> the robot-playerv ?
05:55 <GodTodd> PlayerViewer 2.0.4
05:55 <GodTodd> Connecting to [localhost:6665]
05:55 <GodTodd> calling connect
05:55 <GodTodd> done
05:56 <GodTodd> i think so...
05:56 <Lucifer> it could be interfering
05:56 <Lucifer> Do Devices->position2d
05:56 <Lucifer> see if "command" is checked
05:56 <Lucifer> if it is, uncheck it
05:57 <GodTodd> nope
05:57 <GodTodd> no checks
05:57 <GodTodd> cept for under the laser
05:57 <Lucifer> so you have two windows right now?
05:57 <GodTodd> yep
05:57 <Lucifer> and you started laserobstacleavoid ?
05:57 <GodTodd> yep
05:58 <GodTodd> does this matter?:
05:58 <GodTodd> Available devices: localhost:6665
05:58 <GodTodd> simulation:0     stage                                   unsupported
05:59 <Lucifer> er, yeah?
05:59 <Lucifer> hang on, lemme see if I get that
06:00 <Lucifer> where do you get that?
06:00 <Lucifer> when you start robot-player, or when you start something else?
06:00 <GodTodd> starting the playerv thingee
06:01 <Lucifer> here, shut all of them down
06:01 <Lucifer> I get that same line, btw
06:01 <Lucifer> then it lists other sensors and says they're supported :)
06:01 <Lucifer> ok, so shut everything down
06:01 <Lucifer> then start robot-player by itself
06:01 <Lucifer> you have a stage window open with a robot in it that's doing nothing, right?
06:02 <GodTodd> yep
06:02 <Lucifer> ok
06:02 <Lucifer>  /usr/share/player/examples/libplayerc++/laserobstacleavoid
06:02 <Lucifer> run that and see what output you get
06:02 <Lucifer> it's a run forever program
06:02 <GodTodd> now he's moving :)
06:03 <Lucifer> :)
06:03 <Lucifer> now start playerv and connect to it so you can see what the robot can see
06:03 <Lucifer> you'll have to subscribe to the sensors to see them, of course
06:05 <Lucifer> heh, robot got stuck
06:12 <GodTodd> can you combine them?
06:13 <GodTodd> the programs, i mean
06:20 <Lucifer> yes, but they tend to mutually exclude each other for some things
06:20 <Lucifer> what it is is player itself (robot-player) is more like a kernel for the robot, it contains all the hardware access and abstracts it all to a socket connection
06:20 <Lucifer> so the logic part of the robot, the part we actually care the most about (all we care about at this stage) is in a program that connects to that socket
06:21 <Lucifer> so we can write our own programs to connect to robot-player and give us sensory readings, then have our own separate socket connection to our logical brain part for more data from it
06:21 <Lucifer> anyway, the idea is that you subscribe to a sensor and receive its information
06:22 <Lucifer> some sensors can also be commanded, and that's what gives you movement basically
06:22 <Lucifer> so our logical brain part could literally be a bunch of small programs that subscribe to a few sensors and do something
06:22 <Lucifer> or one program with a lot of different threads, or one thread, or whatever
06:23 <GodTodd> ah
06:23 <Lucifer> there are config files for robot-player that tell it what the geometry of the robot is, what sensors it has, and what drivers to use
06:24 <Lucifer> robot-player automatically starts stage for us with a world if it's given a config file telling it about the world
06:24 <Lucifer> it'll also work with the 3d simulation (whose name I've forgotten momentarily), but I couldn't get it started because I don't have 3d acceleration right now
06:25 <Lucifer> the 3d simulator uses ODE for its physics engine, which is what we were already looking at using for our own physics engine
06:25 <Lucifer> it also has a terrain generator, and some other things.  Hopefully we'll get a pretty good lunar simulation out of it without hacking it
06:26 <Lucifer> I'm working right now on generalizin the python example robot into something we can actually start extending :)
06:44 <Lucifer> it really irritates me that examples always have the worst possible coding practices
06:45 <Lucifer> they're supposed to show you how something works, but they use such bad coding that you spend easily more time figuring out what each one-character variable means than anything else
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07:55 <Lucifer> heh, player needs to have weapons on it so we don't need robocode to play this game :)
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08:23 <spidey> http://files.samhart.net/humor/fail.jpg
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08:24 <luke-jr> spidey: u
08:24 <spidey> nou
08:26 <luke-jr> spidey: #freeciv
09:07 <GodTodd> errorist: Someone who repeatedly makes mistakes. Says stuff he believes is true, but anyone with common sense can see he's wrong. A dumbass.
09:08 <GodTodd> oops, i meant... luke-jr: Someone who repeatedly makes mistakes. Says stuff he believes is true, but anyone with common sense can see he's wrong. A dumbass.
09:08 <GodTodd> :)
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09:36 <Lucifer> heh
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10:09 <Lucifer> wheee
10:09 <Lucifer> I love it when the flood gates finally open
11:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7393 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Actually use the results of the GLEW checks.
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13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7395 /armagetronad/trunk/build_visualc/armagetronad.nsi:
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 7381 to 7394:
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7389 | z-man | 2007-11-13 15:12:00 +0100 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed default recording path, it now lands on the actual user's desktop.
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added file association so you can watch recordings by doubleclicking on them.
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7396 / (10 files in 5 dirs): "Rebeautified."
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14:13 <MrBougo> :o
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16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7397 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (4 files in 3 dirs): IUSE=glew
17:01 <MrBougo> test
17:09 <luke-jr> MrBougo: test failed
17:09 <luke-jr> sorry
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19:22 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7398 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/batch/masterstarter.in: Sorry, bash required for now.
19:28 <MrBougo> luke-jr: test succeeded
19:32 <cusco> is trunk still broken?
19:32 <MrBougo> i'm hungry
19:33 <MrBougo> haha, you thought that it was an answer, didnt you?
19:33 <MrBougo> i'm so evil
19:44 <Lucifer> cusco: only one way to find out
19:45 <cusco> perhaps somebody could know
19:47 <Lucifer> perhaps the cat is dead, but you have to open the box to find out
19:47 <z-man> It works for me, with or without GLEW
19:48  * z-man starts to develop a quantum SCM system
19:48 <Lucifer> heh
19:48  * Lucifer wants an scm system that's immune to cosmic rays
19:49 <Lucifer> z-man: have you ever worked with ada?
19:49 <z-man> No.
19:50 <Lucifer> well, since my dad hasn't answered yet (I'm going to call him in a minute), I found another electrical engineer at the school that's interested
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20:31 <luke-jr> where's flex?
20:32 <luke-jr> z-man: trunk has zones v2 issues still, doesn't it?
20:32 <z-man> yep.
20:37 <epsy> luke-jr, ?
20:37 <luke-jr> he hasn't been around
20:37 <epsy> not that i'm flex, but it ight concern me as well
20:39 <epsy> <armabot> Sent 2 days, 6 hours, and 54 minutes ago: <luke-jr> ping
20:39 <epsy> ew
20:39 <epsy> 2 days i made nothing in any of the channels armabot's in ?
21:30 <[CH]DarkStar> i bet it's more for me :P
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22:21 <Lucifer> #seen [CH]DarkStar
22:21 <armabot> Lucifer: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
22:21 <Lucifer> #seen DarkStar
22:21 <armabot> Lucifer: DarkStar was last seen in #armagetron 43 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <DarkStar> music...
22:21 <Lucifer> that damn clan tag screws it up
22:22 <Lucifer> #seen *DarkStar
22:22 <armabot> Lucifer: *DarkStar could be [CH]DarkStar (51 minutes and 48 seconds ago), DarkStar (43 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), [Xpert]DarkStar (44 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), xpert_darkstar (1 year, 17 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 43 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), or [Uber]DarkStar (1 year, 19 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 24 seconds ago)
22:32 <Lucifer> yay, got the ada bindings to build
22:32 <[CH]DarkStar> xD
22:32 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer
22:32 <ct|kyle> i got you a picture
22:32 <ct|kyle> http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/img/20071113_kaguya_01l.jpg
22:33 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: did you read all that crap I wrote?  :)
22:33 <ct|kyle> yes
22:33 <Lucifer> that is a beautiful picture kyle
22:33 <ct|kyle> my desktop. looks fake though
22:33 <Lucifer> low resolution
22:33 <ct|kyle> high res
22:33 <Lucifer> also, the earth rise that's shown can only happen to a satellite in orbit
22:34 <Lucifer> well, the image is high res, but the imagery itself is a bit fuzzy :)
22:34 <Lucifer> so I just posted that I got ada bindings to build for player
22:34 <Lucifer> you're in linux, right?
22:34 <ct|kyle> yes i'm on linux
22:34 <Lucifer> gentoo, iirc.  Player is in gentoo's repository.  :)
22:35 <Lucifer> interested in learning ada?  Since the choice is pretty much c++ or ada...
22:35 <ct|kyle> i guess
22:35 <ct|kyle> i'm fixing my subversion right now
22:35 <Lucifer> have a preference?  see, I learn languages pretty easily, so I might be a little optimistic about learning a new language
22:36 <Lucifer> but ada was explicitly developed for this kind of application.....  ;)
22:36 <Lucifer> (and missiles and shit)
22:36 <ct|kyle> Java was probably the only language that took me a little bit to understand, but a week or 2 i understood it fairly well.
22:37 <Lucifer> have you worked with python at all?  ada has similarities to both python and java that are a tad surprising
22:37 <Lucifer> the syntax is very similar to pascal, though.
22:37 <ct|kyle> i've used pascal, but not python
22:38 <Lucifer> you'll probably find ada fairly easy to pick up, I'd guess.  It's strongly typed like c/c++, but syntactically very similar to pascal
22:38 <Lucifer> data types look similar, you use begin...end to mark code blocks, etc.
22:39 <ct|kyle> should not be much of a problem for me then
22:39 <Lucifer> semicolons at the end of each line :)
22:39  * Lucifer hates that requirement in languages
22:40 <Lucifer> well, when you get your subversion fixed, update your checkout (or make a fresh one) and look at it
22:40 <Lucifer> I'm anxious to start coding since I saw a working simulator, and now I've got an ada rover running even if it doesn't move yet
22:40 <ct|kyle> ok
22:41 <ct|kyle> revision 19
22:42 <Lucifer> cool.  You'll need player installed to actually do anything, and stage, but you can look at the rover code in rover/adabranch/trevor.adb
22:42 <ct|kyle> ok
22:43 <ct|kyle> similar to Visual basic also
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22:48 <Lucifer> so to get player, it's probably in at least two packages:  player and stage.  Then there's a third package whose name I've forgotten that gives a 3d simulator using ODE for the physics
22:50 <ct|kyle> what's a website for it?
22:51 <Lucifer> http://playerstage.sourceforge.net/
22:52 <Lucifer> so right now, besides us, I've got a local mechanical engineering major and an electrical engineer, but the EE's commitment is probably going to be more of a mentor role
22:52 <ct|kyle> ok
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23:03 <Lucifer> guru3: forums are down
23:03 <Lucifer> guru3: forums are back up
23:03 <guru3> Lucifer: ok
23:03 <Lucifer> wow, we're almost at 1000 views of the lunar xprize thread.
23:03 <ct|kyle> wow
23:04 <Lucifer> guru3: must have been that cosmic radiation I've been reading so much about the last couple of days
23:04 <ct|kyle> I've been watching too much NASA TV lately
23:05 <Lucifer> I think we need the rover to be pretty autonomous.
23:05 <Lucifer> the round trip response time to the moon is nearly 3 seconds, which means if we do direct control of the robot, we're going to have to have it go pretty slow
23:06 <guru3> i need to mangle inbound packets so i can put them through QoS
23:06 <guru3> :/
23:06 <ct|kyle> Yes i think so too
23:06 <ct|kyle> 3 seconds? i just read over 8 minutes 1 way
23:07 <ct|kyle> ah
23:07 <ct|kyle> i see what i read wrong
23:08 <Lucifer> tht's mars, isn't it?
23:08 <Lucifer> or is it sun->earth
23:08 <ct|kyle> no the sun
23:08 <ct|kyle> 1.255 seconds for moon 1 way
23:10 <ct|kyle> i think the bot needs to stop to take a steel photo. but continue travel while uploading
23:11 <ct|kyle> we also may loose communications with it for some amount of time. for instance today the space station was out of contact for 18 minutes
23:11 <Lucifer> yeah, it can do that.  We'll work out specifics of how it works while coding.  :)
23:12 <Lucifer> that's one of the reasons I want the base station to be able to cache communications
23:12 <Lucifer> did they say why the space station was out of contact?  solar flare?  Or just where it was in its orbit?
23:13 <ct|kyle> where it was in orbit. they said the satellites were being used by another company. usually its about 3 minutes each orbit.
23:16 <Lucifer> well, that gives us an idea of how much we can rely on satellites currently in orbit around the earth
23:16 <ct|kyle> yes
23:17 <Lucifer> if we can blanket the earth and the moon with our own satellites, we might be able to keep pretty close to the 1.25 second transmission time :)
23:17 <Lucifer> but that depends largely on the delivery system :/
23:17 <ct|kyle> ya
23:19 <ct|kyle> oh and we can get a copy of AA downloaded once we win all the prizes :D
23:19 <Lucifer> yeah :)
23:20 <Lucifer> we might still be able to do the download as long as we meet their other transmission requirements :)
23:20 <ct|kyle> :D
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00:19 <epsy> Lucifer, i think i spotted the bug which sometimes let ppl enter in a locked server
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00:32 <DrJoeTron> hey ghableska
00:33 <DrJoeTron> so why can't you talk here? :I
00:33 <epsy> #weather
00:33 <armabot> epsy: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
00:33 <epsy> o
00:33 <epsy> so...paris is a foreign city, right ?
00:33 <epsy> #weather paris
00:33 <epsy> let's see
00:33 <armabot> epsy: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 12:30 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:33 ° F. / 1 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 ° F. / -3 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° (1 more message)
00:34 <epsy> #more
00:34 <armabot> epsy: C.;
00:34 <epsy> #weather paris, france
00:34 <armabot> epsy: The current temperature in Paris, France is 33.8°F (12:30 AM CET on November 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
00:34 <MaZuffeR> #weather turku
00:34 <epsy> so why it doesn't show °C for foreign countries ? just dumb
00:34 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 19.4°F (1:20 AM EET on November 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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00:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7399 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Added extension specific #ifdef guards.
00:48 <epsy> z-man, you up ?
00:49 <z-man> barely.
00:49 <epsy> i think i spotted the bug which sometimes let ppl enter in a locked server
00:49 <epsy> let's say
00:49 <z-man> Yeah, the login code only checks that the new client's ID is not bigger than MAX_CLIENTS.
00:50 <epsy> player 1 connects (client num 1)
00:50 <epsy> then player 2, 3 and 4(with their respective client nums)
00:50 <epsy> player 1 disconnects
00:50 <z-man> yep.
00:50 <epsy> player 2 log ins and seals the server, setting max_clients to 2
00:50 <epsy> now player 5 comes in
00:51 <epsy> he's attibuted client num is 1
00:51 <epsy> 1 <= 2
00:51 <epsy> basically that's it
00:51 <epsy> doesn't the server keep a client count ?
00:51 <z-man> it does, but it doesn't check it in that situation.
00:51 <epsy> like when it sends it to server-polling clients(server browser) ?
00:52 <epsy> well, i managed to reproduce it serval times
00:52 <z-man> No surprise :)
00:52 <z-man> I'll be on it.
00:52 <DrJoeTron> z-man why does defcon always look dead
00:52 <epsy> ok i'm off now
00:52 <epsy> cu
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00:53 <z-man> DrJoeTron: How should I know? Arent' there people playing right now?
00:53 <DrJoeTron> oh I thought you were a defcon superstar
00:53 <z-man> Not as a player.
00:53 <DrJoeTron> everytime i play it seems that armagetron almost rivals its multiplayer game list
00:54 <luke-jr> …
00:54 <luke-jr> I was just about to talk to epsy too
00:54 <z-man> It sure does when you  count games you can jump into.
00:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah :(
00:54 <DrJoeTron> on launch date it was packed
00:54 <DrJoeTron> i preordered it on steam for 10 bucks a week early :V
00:55 <z-man> My DedCon servers start predictably at x:00 and x:30 if that's any help.
00:55 <DrJoeTron> haha that does
00:55 <DrJoeTron> welp time to go to class
00:55 <z-man> have fun.
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02:54 <luke-jr> #armaconfig kick
02:54 <armabot> luke-jr: IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is kicked (default: 0) || KICK: Kicks the specified player from the server. (default: ) || SPAM_AUTOKICK: Spam score that causes you to get kicked instantly. (default: 20) || VOTE_USE_SERVER_CONTROLLED_KICK: Set to 1 to use the enhanced server controlled vote items for kick votes. Does not work for clients prior to 0.2.8.0_rc1. (1 more message)
02:55 <luke-jr> #armaconfig ban
02:55 <armabot> luke-jr: BAN: Bans the specified player from the server (kicks him first) for a variable time in minutes. (default: ) || BAN_IP: Bans the spedified IP address from the server for a variable time. (default: ) || BAN_LIST: Prints a list of currently banned IPs. (default: ) || KEYBOARD 327 PLAYER_BIND BANK_DOWN 1 : || KEYBOARD 326 PLAYER_BIND BANK_UP 1 : || KEYBOARD 113 PLAYER_BIND BANK_UP 1 : || (2 more messages)
03:06 <ct|kyle> #more luke-jr
03:06 <armabot> ct|kyle: KEYBOARD 97 PLAYER_BIND BANK_DOWN 1 : || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_FACTOR: Autoban players for NETWORK_AUTOBAN_FACTOR * ( kph - NETWORK_AUTOBAN_OFFSET ) minutes when they get kicked; kph is the average number of kicks per hour they get. (default: 10) || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_MAX_KPH: Maximal value of the kicks per hour; larger values are smoothly clamped. (default: 30) || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_OFFSET: Autoban (1 more message)
03:06 <luke-jr> …
03:06 <ct|kyle> :D
03:15 <luke-jr> #last --with luke --from armabot --nolimit
03:16  * luke-jr smacks armabot
03:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: echo me plz?
03:16 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: >:O
03:17 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 39209 messages.
03:17 <luke-jr> rofl, that was slow
03:18 <ct|kyle> heh
03:18 <ct|kyle> #more
03:18 <armabot> ct|kyle: players for NETWORK_AUTOBAN_FACTOR * ( kph - NETWORK_AUTOBAN_OFFSET ) minutes when they get kicked; kph is the average number of kicks per hour they get. (default: 5) || NETWORK_MIN_BAN: When a client's connection is blocked because he's banned, make him banned for at least this many seconds. (default: 120) || UNBAN_IP: Revokes the ban of the specified IP address. (default: )
03:59 <Lucifer> hmmm, I don't like the trunk/tags layout
03:59 <Lucifer> trunk/branches/tags, that is
03:59 <Lucifer> wow, nice
03:59 <Lucifer> 124K 2007-11-14 21:04 trevor
04:00 <Lucifer> er, nvm.  Just looked at ldd output
04:01  * Lucifer wonders if we can build a player without X11
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04:13 <rotatenow> when I start a server within the game, is there anyway to either: have a password for entry, or have the option to accept or deny users as they attempt to join
04:15 <DrJoeTron> download the dedicated server
04:15 <DrJoeTron> its less painful
04:15 <rotatenow> will do
04:15 <DrJoeTron> though password on the other hand
04:16 <DrJoeTron> i don't think is possible
04:16 <DrJoeTron> you CAN how ever make it so it doesnt show up on the master server
04:16 <DrJoeTron> which is like password protecting it
04:16 <DrJoeTron> master server(s)
04:16 <rotatenow> basically, I would like it so it is easy for friends (we are all noobs) to join, but I want only them
04:16 <rotatenow> what would be the best wya
04:17 <DrJoeTron> well lets see
04:17 <DrJoeTron> you could be a badmin
04:17 <DrJoeTron> and just kick anyone you don't know
04:17 <DrJoeTron> and then when your friends join set the player limit to just them
04:18 <DrJoeTron> max_clients #
04:18 <rotatenow> hehe, yeah tried that with the banning, would no quite work
04:18 <rotatenow> so you can set max_clients from the ingame console?
04:18 <DrJoeTron> fuck if I remember
04:18 <DrJoeTron> its best to just download the dedicated server, setup a Remote Admin password
04:18 <DrJoeTron> log into the game
04:19 <DrJoeTron> and just ban ban ban ban ban
04:19 <rotatenow> ok, dedicated is installed
04:19 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
04:19 <DrJoeTron> i need to fix my damn servers >: (
04:19 <DrJoeTron> fucking piece of shit lost everything but the actual apps
04:19 <DrJoeTron> ok, adjust your settings accordingly
04:20 <DrJoeTron> it says to put it in a different config file
04:20 <rotatenow> should I use the settings_custom.cfg in the config dir?
04:20 <DrJoeTron> i say fuck it and just edit the original
04:20 <rotatenow> yay
04:20 <DrJoeTron> settings_custom.cfg put in the admin pass
04:20 <DrJoeTron> also if you have firewall trouble
04:21 <DrJoeTron> port forward 4534
04:21 <rotatenow> so TALK_TO_MASTER 1 and what is the admin password setting
04:21 <DrJoeTron> admin_pass butts
04:21 <rotatenow> yeah, I have already had games going this afternoon
04:21 <DrJoeTron> or whatever
04:21 <DrJoeTron> haha this is the first time i've helped someone witha  server in ages
04:22 <rotatenow> cheers for that
04:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah well i stopped cause i kept getting bombarded with 13 year olds going "hai hou 2 serv"
04:22 <rotatenow> and so just give me a quick rundown for when I need to change max_clients
04:23 <rotatenow> once connected ingame
04:23 <DrJoeTron> you can do it via console or in game
04:23 <DrJoeTron> you know how to use the remote admin crap/
04:23 <DrJoeTron> y/n
04:23 <rotatenow> N
04:23 <DrJoeTron> K
04:23 <rotatenow> just quickly, I have read the wiki
04:23 <DrJoeTron> to login type in the chat string /login butts(or whatever password you have)
04:24 <DrJoeTron> then everything from there on out type /admin to do anything
04:24 <rotatenow> cool
04:24 <DrJoeTron> keep in mind
04:24 <rotatenow> the unsecuredness?
04:24 <DrJoeTron> noooooo
04:24 <DrJoeTron> the stupidness of the program
04:25 <DrJoeTron> if you set the max clients to like 4
04:25 <DrJoeTron> and there is 5 people
04:25 <DrJoeTron> player 5 is exempt
04:25 <DrJoeTron> and he can stay untill he quits
04:25 <DrJoeTron> and while he is in, people between players 1-4 can just come in and outr
04:26 <rotatenow> ok, so do /admin kick Player_5
04:26 <rotatenow> first?
04:26 <DrJoeTron> not ever
04:26 <DrJoeTron> even****\
04:26 <DrJoeTron> do /players in the chat string to find their numbers
04:26 <DrJoeTron> then type /admin kick 5
04:27 <rotatenow> ah, so that is how it's done
04:27 <rotatenow> would explain why it wasn't working, and only a sweet pleeding would get them to leave
04:27 <DrJoeTron>  /players also shows whos logged into RA
04:27 <DrJoeTron> Remote Admin
04:27 <rotatenow> great
04:27 <DrJoeTron> and that works in all servers, you don't have to log in for that command
04:28 <DrJoeTron> it helps to keep tabs on who is 'minning the server
04:28 <rotatenow> so are there any "better" defaults, we are all local-ish, so pings under 75
04:28 <DrJoeTron> what do you been by "defaults"
04:28 <DrJoeTron> like server settings?
04:28 <rotatenow> well, game settings
04:28 <DrJoeTron> ah
04:29 <DrJoeTron> well i play with low rubber and medium speed
04:29 <DrJoeTron> with limited turning
04:29 <DrJoeTron> you could be like the die hard 14 year olds and do HIGH SPEED HIGH RUBBER OH FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
04:29 <rotatenow> I saw those cfgs in the example folder, how can I use those at a later date
04:29 <DrJoeTron> change the name to settings_custom.cfg on then :V
04:30 <DrJoeTron> i thnik
04:30 <DrJoeTron> i never bothered with them
04:30 <rotatenow> too easy
04:30 <DrJoeTron> i just made my own
04:30 <DrJoeTron> don't take my word on that i could be totally wrong
04:30 <Lucifer> do INCLUDE examples/whatever
04:30 <DrJoeTron> yeah thanks
04:30 <DrJoeTron> GOD DAMN IT LUCIFER DON'T SHOW ME UP
04:30 <DrJoeTron> also hey
04:31 <Lucifer> he said GOD, that's worth a kick
04:31 <DrJoeTron> FUCKKKKKK
04:31 <rotatenow> ok, is there a way to make players able to turn in sharper angles, like you are going along straight and you want to move one "grid" across
04:31 <Lucifer> oh hey joe, haven't seen you in awhile
04:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know, i've been pretty busy/wasting time with other games
04:31 <Lucifer> sharper than 90 degrees?  You mean like 80 degrees?
04:31 <DrJoeTron> you mean like OCTOTRONNNNN
04:31 <DrJoeTron> or whatever
04:32 <rotatenow> haha, well, just beable to do 2 turns quicker in succession
04:32 <DrJoeTron> or do you mean those bullshit 180 turns
04:32 <Lucifer> yeah, CYCLE_DELAY
04:32 <Lucifer> it defaults at 0.1, and is measured in seconds
04:32 <rotatenow> not quite 180, with similar effects but not as close to the orignal wall
04:32 <Lucifer> it's the minimum time between turns
04:32 <DrJoeTron> i like this guy
04:32 <rotatenow> so about 0.75?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:33 <DrJoeTron> and so on
04:33 <Lucifer> also, I highly recommend you *read* the comments in the configuration
04:33 <Lucifer> because all of your questions have so far been answered there :)
04:33 <DrJoeTron> i never read them :V
04:33 <DrJoeTron> I AINT READIN NUFFIN MANG
04:33 <rotatenow> yeah, just there are heaps and they all tweak something different. hard to start
04:33 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron is a good example of what *not* to do
04:33  * DrJoeTron badmin
04:33 <Lucifer> start by reading the comments
04:33 <Lucifer> we didn't write those so we can sit in an irc channel and type them all again :)
04:34 <rotatenow> I really find those massive configs are great, one of the beauties of open sourse, everyone adds something tweakable
04:34 <Lucifer> there's also a plethora of examples
04:34 <Lucifer> they're easier to read with a syntax-highlighting editor
04:34 <rotatenow> you a Developer/Hacker Lucifer?
04:34 <Lucifer> set it to bash, it'll highlight the comments for you
04:34 <rotatenow> yeah, notepad++
04:34 <Lucifer> yeah, I'm a developer/hacker Lucifer.  Fairly inactive right now, though.
04:34 <Sticky__> hacker surely
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <DrJoeTron> HACKER
04:35 <rotatenow> lol
04:35 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer my server broke >: (
04:35 <DrJoeTron> i gotta find my server configs
04:35 <DrJoeTron> also give me channelopmins
04:35 <rotatenow> Thankyou everybody. I might actually have to hire Tron now
04:36 <rotatenow> is it any good?
04:36 <DrJoeTron> is what good
04:36 <DrJoeTron> the movie?
04:36 <Sticky__> fairly good
04:36 <rotatenow> the movie
04:36 <DrJoeTron> ITS THE BEST
04:36 <Sticky__> bit dated now
04:36 <DrJoeTron> (it sucks)
04:36 <Sticky__> its good, just a bit dated
04:36 <rotatenow> better than swoardfish? that surely sucked
04:36 <DrJoeTron> oh god
04:36 <DrJoeTron> rotatenow thats going in with high hopes
04:36 <Sticky__> the graphics were revolutionary for the time
04:36 <DrJoeTron> look at this way
04:37 <DrJoeTron> when i watched it when i was a kid it was great
04:37 <DrJoeTron> and then watching it now, its pretty hard to watch
04:37 <DrJoeTron> so if this is your first time watching it. god speed
04:37 <DrJoeTron> YEAH GUYS I SAID IT
04:37 <rotatenow> :)
04:38 <Lucifer> it's a wonderful story with wonderful special effects, but the cheesiest script ever written
04:38 <Lucifer> it makes Episode 1 look like hardcore literature
04:38 <DrJoeTron> oh god yeah
04:38 <Lucifer> really
04:38 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
04:38 <DrJoeTron> wouldn't say its Jeff Bridges greatest role in a movie ever
04:38 <Lucifer> not his worst, though, either
04:38 <Lucifer> so, we need to build 5 rovers
04:39 <Lucifer> right?
04:39 <Lucifer> number 1, number 2, etc.
04:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:39 <Sticky__> the guy who developed the texturing algorithm for tron got an oscar for it
04:39 <DrJoeTron> fuck i need to type out this outline
04:39 <DrJoeTron> or play team fortress 2 more
04:39 <DrJoeTron> one of those
04:39 <DrJoeTron> and portal
04:40  * Lucifer mutters something about a bunch of kids and goes back to work
04:41 <Sticky__> oh dear
04:41 <Sticky__> On September 11, 2007, it was reported that "director Joseph Kosinski is in final negotiations to develop and direct Tron, described as 'The Next Chapter' of Disney's 1982 cult classic
04:43 <luke-jr> …
04:44 <Sticky__> the same director is also remaking Logans Run, he must be stopped
04:45 <Lucifer> nah, he's just trying to get attention
04:45 <Lucifer> :)
04:46 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: 1000 Views
04:46 <Lucifer> heh
04:46 <ct|kyle> i only added the last 2
04:47 <Lucifer> is it really that interesting, or does that just say more about how many people are clicking through the new posts list?
04:47 <ct|kyle> Who knows make a poll
04:48 <Lucifer> nah, when the time comes, everybody will have a chance to get out their credit card and be counted :)
04:49 <Lucifer> I talked to the other mechanic (the reason he hasn't registered and started posting is because he sees me twice a week already)
04:49 <Lucifer> he's got some ideas for constructing it.  I told him where we were at for computers/software development and he's supposed to start working on actual design
04:49 <Lucifer> he'll probably start with a survey of available materials :)
04:51 <ct|kyle> ok
04:52 <Lucifer> I just moved the ada branch to the trunk, and I'm working on the plan now
04:52 <ct|kyle> ok
04:52 <Lucifer> have to update it to incorporate new information that seriously affects pretty much everything :)
04:54 <ct|kyle> Revision 20 on the way i take it
04:57 <ct|kyle> our major problem is going to be keeping the batteries warmed during lunar night
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05:02 <ct|kyle> the longest Robot mission to the moon currently is only 5 earth days
05:02 <Lucifer> er, I commit a lot
05:02 <Lucifer> do an update, eh?  :)
05:02 <Lucifer> that battery problem goes away if we use a bank of capacitors
05:02 <Lucifer> well, depending on the caps, anyway
05:03 <Lucifer> yeah, I'm up to revision 27
05:03 <ct|kyle> will the fluids in the capacitors freeze?
05:03 <ct|kyle> i just got 26
05:04 <Lucifer> depends on the capacitors we use
05:04 <Lucifer> http://www.ultracapacitors.org/
05:10 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i was just watching the lunch pad for Aries getting built. the drove stakes roughly 30 meters into the ground
05:13 <Lucifer> mmmmmm, steaks
05:13 <ct|kyle> ya
05:14 <Lucifer> that's probably for the really deep concrete pad they have to put in to hold that thing up
05:14 <Lucifer> that's gonna be one big-ass rocket
05:15 <ct|kyle> they said they were lightning rods
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05:19 <Lucifer> wow.  the stakes were really big around, then?
05:19 <Lucifer> that's a lot of metal to poke up into the air to prevent the rocket from getting struck by lightning
05:21 <ct|kyle> they were huge
05:24 <Lucifer> ok, I'm done planning, I want to code
05:24 <Lucifer> (done planning for tonight, anyway)
05:25 <Lucifer> I can only spend so much time on that sort of thing before I want to do something else, so we may wind up with a finished rover before we have a finished plan
05:25 <Lucifer> :)
05:25 <ct|kyle> heh
05:25 <Lucifer> I told that guy today the results of my research over the last couple of days, and when I was done he said "We'll probably wind up building a rocket"
05:25 <Lucifer> something about having the rover finished in 2 weeks and needing to work on a rocket to occupy our time :)
05:26 <ct|kyle> 90% of the plan we don't use anyway. it just looks nice to obtain donations
05:27 <Lucifer> yeah.  one piece of paper that says "we'll go where development leads us" doesn't look too good to PHBs
05:27 <ct|kyle> ya i better goto bed i get to did a hole tomorrow
05:28 <Lucifer> have fun didding your hole
05:28 <ct|kyle> once it is dug then i gotta fill it back in
05:28 <Lucifer> makes a lot of sense
05:28 <Lucifer> can't leave those holes lying around
05:28 <ct|kyle> with concrete  and steel
05:29 <ct|kyle> Flag pole
05:31 <GodTodd> who's diddling whose hole?
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05:37 <DrJoeTron> SHUT UP GodTodd
05:39 <GodTodd> FUCK YOU DrJoeTron
05:39 <GodTodd> :)
05:39 <DrJoeTron> k sry
05:39 <GodTodd> you always say that
05:39 <GodTodd> then you make me hit you
05:39 <DrJoeTron> i no
05:39 <GodTodd> bitch
05:39 <DrJoeTron> not the ring fist again :(
05:39 <GodTodd> the big ring
05:39 <DrJoeTron> no :(
05:40 <GodTodd> why not? you're cheating on me with some slut of a game
05:40 <DrJoeTron> but its a fun game
05:40 <DrJoeTron> : (
05:41 <GodTodd> can't keep your wiimote put away
05:41 <DrJoeTron> its a pc game :(
05:41 <GodTodd> even worse
05:41 <GodTodd> catch a virus or something
05:41 <DrJoeTron> i've never :V
05:41 <Lucifer> hey godtodd
05:41 <Lucifer> I got the ada bot compiling :)
05:41 <GodTodd> no one has until it happens
05:42 <GodTodd> hey Lucifer
05:42 <DrJoeTron> you gotta want viruses
05:42  * GodTodd hasn't had any time for robotics :(
05:43 <GodTodd> last month of the semester...then i realized today i need to figger out wtf i'm taking in jan
05:43 <Lucifer> oh shit, that reminds me....
05:43 <Lucifer> ah, I'll do it tomorrow at work
05:43 <Lucifer> that's a good way to kill time at work
05:43 <GodTodd> masturbation?
05:44 <Lucifer> no, figuring out what you're going to take in jan
05:44 <GodTodd> oh
05:44 <GodTodd> that
05:44 <GodTodd> masturbation is funner
05:45 <Lucifer> grrrr, I just uninstalled python2.4 and now it's installing it again
05:45 <GodTodd> mine's 2.5.1
05:47 <GodTodd> i need to go talk to a counselor or something in the next semester or so
05:47 <GodTodd> :/
05:48 <GodTodd> wonder if i should take the web Physics 2 class....
05:49 <Lucifer> I have a 2.5 python too, this package just wanted 2.4 for some dumb reason
05:50 <libervisco> http://www.freedomware-gamefest.com/tournaments
05:50 <libervisco> We need arma logo
06:02 <Lucifer> ummm, web physics 2 class?
06:02 <Lucifer> if that's got electronics and optics and crap, you probably want to take it in a classroom
06:08 <GodTodd> well...the lab isn't on the web
06:08 <GodTodd> just the lecture class
06:14 <Lucifer> I guess it depends on the teacher, but physics textbooks can be pretty hard to read :)
06:18 <GodTodd> yeah...but with the teacher i have now that's basically all we're doing
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07:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: the machine armabot is running on has very little ram, and supybot isn't exactly memory efficient
07:21 <luke-jr> O.o
07:22 <luke-jr> … wtf do we not have a 0.2.8.2.1 tag?
07:29 <MrBougo> hay
07:29 <MrBougo> bay
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07:45 <luke-jr> #last --from z-man --with sleep
07:46 <armabot> luke-jr: [18:01:33] <z-man> The server playback? No, I'm afraid not, it always fast forwards. You'd need to hack an usleep() into the timer read function.
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10:15 <luke-jr> z-man: fyi, trunk is still non-compilable without glws or whatever it's called ☺
10:19 <z-man> Odd, I checked with configure --without-glew, and that gives no errors.
10:19 <z-man> Could you post the errors you get again?
10:21 <luke-jr> it's still in the forum… O.o
10:22 <z-man> didn't appear under the new posts, will check.
10:22 <luke-jr> the original error
10:30 <z-man> ah, looks like you need to check for both the existence of GLEW and the extension specific #define, OpenGL seems to define that, too.
10:36 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7401 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (configure.ac src/render/rTextureRenderTarget.cpp): Whoops, really should work without GLEW now.
10:36 <z-man> luke-jr: there you go.
10:37 <luke-jr> O.o
10:37 <z-man> s/work/compile/
10:37 <luke-jr> ☺
10:38 <luke-jr> z-man: any interest in making a patch that runs server recordings in realtime? XD
10:38  * luke-jr didn't meet it with success
10:39 <luke-jr> or maybe even checking out a recording to see if you can identify the cause of CPU eating? ;)
10:39 <luke-jr> (x86 -O2)
10:41 <luke-jr> actually
10:41 <luke-jr> I did get the timing thing working
10:41 <luke-jr> just didn't run the right binary XD
10:42 <luke-jr> the problem is tDelay doesn't sleep if in playback mode
10:42 <luke-jr> g'night
10:44 <z-man> night
10:45 <z-man> and if you want, PM me the recording and the exact version specs, I'll try to have a look at it.
10:45 <z-man> and your compiler version :)
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16:16 <MaZuffeR> #weather turku
16:16 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 32.0°F (4:50 PM EET on November 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
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16:41 <epsy> #armaservers
16:41 <armabot> epsy: This data is 49 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), SPACEZONE III (7/15), Phoenix Micro World  High rubber mode (6/16), WILDCAT (5/8), Fortress Café (5/32), Norm's Place (4/12), >3D> Eternal Destiny Clan Server ~{DF}~            | (4/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (3/12), WILDCAT Sumo(?) (3/16), -|Durka Durka Land|- is 1 (1 more message)
16:41 <epsy> #tea
16:41 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): >Dreadlord<, ChrisGW, ct°#afari$kater, Tr³yz, ¦Ö¦Qico
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21:34 <epsy> #sd DS
21:35 <epsy> #serverdetails DS
21:35 <epsy> #ping
21:35 <epsy> urgh
21:35 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Fortress {100MBit}: Players (4/16): ~|DS|~ mescalin, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion, °°qain
21:36 <armabot> pong
21:36 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Fortress {100MBit}: Players (4/16): ~|DS|~ mescalin, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion, °°qain
21:36 <epsy> °°Gay-lin left it seems
21:36 <epsy> (sorry about this nonfun joke)
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21:51 <epsy> #armaservers
21:51 <armabot> epsy: This data is 27 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Norm's Place (9/12), >3D> Eternal Destiny Clan Server ~{DF}~            | (8/16), -|Durka Durka Land|- is 1 year old! Look inside! (7/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (6/12), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6/12), Tigers Network Classic Play (6/16), SPACEZONE III (5/15), (2 more messages)
21:51 <epsy> #more
21:51 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Fortress {100MBit} (5/16), SPACEZONE II S (5/15), WILDCAT (5/8), {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (5/8), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (5/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (5/14), Phoenix Micro World  High rubber mode (4/16), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (4/10), Strawberry Fields (3/16), Fortress Café (3/32), LumaTron (2/16), Swampland in 0.2.8 (2/8), <o> A R E N A  5 1 <o> (1/16), (1 more message)
21:51 <epsy> #sd fortress
21:51 <armabot> epsy: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): 808 State, Bloody_~{Fíqé|~, emmy, nmap, Player 1, pod, Pråétörïåð, Pyr0tek's Mom, redios!, tufan, Virus, [mho]ese, ¦Ö¦Goax, °°oixel
21:52 <epsy> #sd classic
21:52 <armabot> epsy: Tigers Network Classic Play: Players (6/16): 0x999999Zhzash, Captain, diego, j, Kak Tak?, Lesk
21:52 <epsy> #sd DS
21:52 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Fortress {100MBit}: Players (5/16): ~|DS|~ jazzy, ~|DS|~ mescalin, ~|DS|~SchmolluZ, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion
21:52  * epsy goez there
22:04 <akira_> #tea
22:04 <armabot> akira_: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:04  * akira_ weeps
22:05 <akira_> #shrunkland
22:08 <DrJoeTron> shrunklands down
22:08 <DrJoeTron> server fucked up and i need to fix it
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22:16 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: sux
22:16 <DrJoeTron> ya a little bit
22:17 <GodTodd> don't even have to buy you dinner first :)
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22:56 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo shrunk
22:57 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
22:57 <DrJoeTron> good
22:57 <akira__> :;(
22:59 <Lucifer> you know what's neat about ada?
23:00 <Lucifer> threads are builtins, that's really neat
23:00 <Lucifer> complete with select polling
23:00 <Lucifer> if I can just wrap my head around that, I can write this server :)
23:00 <DrJoeTron> hey its up
23:00 <Lucifer> your server is up?
23:00 <Lucifer> hey joe, would you like a private subversion repository to store your configs in so that you don't lose them again?
23:01 <Lucifer> it's really simple.  You do a checkout in your config directory and get all the files.  When you change them, you commit them.
23:01  * Lucifer needs to put his server config in a subversion repository still
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23:25 <GodTodd> http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=070801
23:27 <GodTodd> haha totally :) http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=070802
23:29 <DrJoeTron> holy shti 8bit theatre is still around?
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23:43 <GodTodd> yep
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23:55 <Lucifer> man, I may have been a little optimistic on how simple ada would be to learn

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00:02 <Lucifer> here's a good example of where ada is different from c++, python, and the rest
00:02 <ct|kyle> where?
00:02 <Lucifer> if I want to make a thread object, I have to create a class and then use the posix thread api directly and have the class manage the thread
00:03 <Lucifer> I'll create class members to handle it, and ultimately a single method that contains all the logic that runs in the thread
00:03 <Lucifer> in ada, this is all automatic.  You create a task, and that's that.  Select polling is builtin.
00:03 <ct|kyle> ah
00:03 <Lucifer> it's amazing, but requires a modified thought process to code.
00:04 <ct|kyle> wal mart sold 10,000 lunux(gOS) PC's in 2 weeks
00:04 <Lucifer> in the US?
00:04 <ct|kyle> yes
00:04 <ct|kyle> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614
00:04 <Lucifer> maybe the linux market is a little bigger than was previously believed :)
00:04 <ct|kyle> i think so with vista
00:04 <ct|kyle> vista is what made it grow
00:06 <ct|kyle> since i told about it in here 2 weeks ago i just had to say it sold out
00:06 <Lucifer> well, xp grew the linux market some too.  :)
00:06 <ct|kyle> yes
00:06 <Lucifer> heh, I don't think I saw your mention two weeks ago, but it's neat to see it selling out
00:06 <ct|kyle> i wish i knew about linux when xp came out
00:06 <Lucifer> I wonder how many of the machines sold were upgraded to vista when they sold, though
00:07 <Lucifer> man, I jumped on the linux bandwagon after I spent 4 hours wrestling with a lan card in win2k
00:07 <ct|kyle> i would say about 1/8 to 1/4  only i review mentioned this
00:07 <Lucifer> all I could do with it in windows was go through one of several wizards and try every combination
00:07 <ct|kyle> ya i know waht you mean
00:07 <Lucifer> when I booted to the linux partition that had existed for a few weeks but been ignored, the card just worked
00:07 <ct|kyle> i was still on win 98 through 2002-3
00:08 <Lucifer> and even though compiling a kernel sounds like a lot of work, I had sound working an hour later.  Compared to the 4 hours wrestling with just the lan card, and it still didn't work after those 4 hours.
00:08 <Lucifer> been homogenous linux in my home ever since :)
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00:09 <Lucifer> anyway, this was before xp came out.  It was before the sept 11 attacks, too.
00:09 <ct|kyle> i still don't have sound on mine right now
00:09 <Lucifer> awww
00:09 <ct|kyle> i have not really messed with it
00:09 <Lucifer> man, my laptop is rocking, since the gutsy upgrade
00:09 <Lucifer> it hibernates, it comes *back* from hibernation, etc.  I'm not happy not having 3d support, but I'm getting so much more out of it now than I did before
00:10 <Lucifer> hibernating is the solution to the problem of having a quick boot time to take notes in class :)
00:10 <Lucifer> unlike in feisty, when it comes back from hibernation, sound and network also come back.  Feisty had a problem with those.
00:10 <ct|kyle> ah
00:11 <Lucifer> of course I'm oin to need 3d support to run Gazebo sometime, but that's a problem I can solve when it's time
00:11 <ct|kyle> have you attempted KDE 4 yet?
00:11 <Lucifer> right now I'm trying to write a multi-threaded socket server for the rover
00:11 <Lucifer> no, no kde 4 yet for me
00:11 <ct|kyle> i debated when i reloaded last week
00:11 <Lucifer> I'll upgrade to it when it gets the stable release, but otherwise I'm ignoring it
00:11 <ct|kyle> i chose not to compile it
00:12 <Lucifer> I am anxious for all qt4 stuff, though.  Qt4 is freaking awesome :)
00:12 <ct|kyle> i'm going to get it around new years when it is supposed to be released
00:12 <Lucifer> so unofficially trolltech doesn't care if we stay gpl with our apps, we can use qt no problem, no expensive license fees :)
00:13 <Lucifer> I'll wait for gutsy to pick it up.  Probably we'll be on H-whatever by then.
00:13 <Lucifer> http://www.adahome.com/Ammo/Cplpl2Ada.html
00:13 <Lucifer> I'm finding that pretty helpful for understanding ada
00:13 <ct|kyle> i want to buy some stock in ubnutu, but i can't find the company it is traded under, if it is traded
00:13 <Lucifer> canonical
00:13 <Lucifer> probably still private
00:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what makes you say TT doesn't care for the license?
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02:16 <Lucifer> #ping
02:16 <armabot> pong
02:27 <ct|kyle> pong
02:48 <Lucifer> well, I'm getting my head wrapped around ada, I think
02:55 <ct|kyle> whats a good tutorial site for it?
02:58 <Lucifer> not sure, heh
02:58 <Lucifer> not a lot of info available
02:58 <Lucifer> http://www.adahome.com/Ammo/Cplpl2Ada.html  <--- should give you a good start if you already know c++ or something similar
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04:08 <Lucifer> whoah
04:08 <Lucifer> I just realized the way ada handles tasks gives a nice conversational layout
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04:55 <Lucifer> the thing that irritates me about learning new languages is having to frequently compile/run while learning to see if what I'm learning is right
04:55 <ct|kyle> yup
04:56 <ct|kyle> i just wrote a pointless php script
04:58 <Lucifer> ?
04:58 <Lucifer> why would you write a pointless php script?
05:00 <ct|kyle> it may have its uses
05:00 <ct|kyle> i just had to think about them
05:00 <ct|kyle> http://crazy-tronners.com/meeting_draw.php
05:01 <ct|kyle> tron lineups. I just needed to figure out the next part of the script
05:13 <Lucifer> grrrr, why is it so hard to wrap my head around a socket polling loop?
05:17 <ct|kyle> wow http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9047278&intsrc=hm_list
05:18 <ct|kyle> i should Sue my ISP for blocking transaction's from crazy-tronners website
05:19 <luke-jr> ?
05:20 <ct|kyle> My isp blocked all communication with crazy-tronners for about 1 day
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05:21 <luke-jr> wtf
05:21 <luke-jr> btw, you probably don't have a SLA
05:21 <ct|kyle> what is a sla
05:22 <ct|kyle> oh lol i know now
05:22 <luke-jr> a promise your service will work
05:22 <ct|kyle> not sure
05:22 <ct|kyle> anyway i gtg
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07:08 <Lucifer> iHax hacked himself
07:09 <Lucifer> man, I love python
07:09 <Lucifer> heh
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10:57 <cusco> swig is now necessary to build armagetronad (trunk) ?
10:57 <luke-jr> news to me
11:00 <cusco> and... i just installed swig from apt and still says its not installed
11:01 <luke-jr> :þ
11:02 <cusco> building now I justs re./configured it
11:10 <cusco> hey.. the custom playlist
11:10 <cusco> can it be a xmms generated playlist?
11:10 <cusco> :p
11:11 <cusco> a m3u ?
11:12 <cusco> it won't paly it anyway, will it?
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15:03 <spidey_> Lucifer, luke-jr we should get a game of freeciv going this weekend :D
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18:08 <Lucifer> spidey: not just no but hell no
18:10 <zmanuel> gaa, killed by kicking a wall
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18:12 <z-man> It was either that, free or die of starvation on level 1.
18:13 <DrJoeTron> wut
18:13 <z-man> NetHack can be mean :(
18:14 <DrJoeTron> oh yeaaaah
18:18 <deja_vu> lol
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19:09 <spidey> Lucifer, y
19:19 <Lucifer> "y" means "yes" for us old farts
19:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey is dumb y/n
19:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey did you get tf2 yet :I
19:52 <z-man> You are hit by a poisoned crude arrow.
19:52 <z-man> The poison was deadly...
19:52 <z-man> *sob*
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20:11 <libervisco> HEy
20:11 <libervisco> Is this fine? http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=193010
20:24 <xfroggy> Oo
20:26 <epsy> libervisco, it's that i don't really like lms :p
20:26 <epsy> *it's just
20:26 <xfroggy> whats lms?
20:27 <libervisco> Last Man Standing
20:27 <xfroggy> ah
20:27 <epsy> not rubber
20:27 <libervisco> epsy, what would you prefer?
20:27  * epsy is a sumo/fort player
20:27 <xfroggy> epsy is a spammer, not a sumo/fort player
20:27 <libervisco> I mean, whatever would most people signed up play would really be the right thing
20:28 <epsy> libervisco, if you put LMS, you will be flamed by Fort/Sumo players
20:28 <epsy> if you put sumo, you get flamed by LMS ppl
20:28 <xfroggy> lol! :D
20:28 <libervisco> :\
20:28 <xfroggy> tron is a divided game :)
20:28 <libervisco> Can't we all just get along?(TM)
20:28 <xfroggy> koo promo video
20:29 <epsy> Let's get togeeettheeerrr aaaannnnddd beee aaaaallllriiiigghghhht
20:29 <libervisco> hehe
20:30 <xfroggy> maybe sumo would be right
20:30 <epsy> <paddy> how are you? <epsy> Frenchellent! <paddy> sounds like not so good
20:30 <epsy> made me smile :)
20:30 <xfroggy> alot of rubber players are playing sumo nowdays ^_^
20:30 <epsy> hahaha
20:30 <epsy> highrubber sumo -_-'
20:30 <xfroggy> -.-
20:31 <epsy> the only non-bugfarm sumo is shin's one
20:31 <xfroggy> ...hello? ww?
20:32 <epsy> Wildcat sumo
20:32 <epsy> or w/E
20:32 <epsy> *the only one i like
20:32 <xfroggy> lol no
20:32 <epsy> ww ? wild worst has a non-bugfarm-like sumo ?
20:33 <xfroggy> wild west
20:33 <epsy> duh
20:33 <epsy> stupid pho,e-lag
20:33 <xfroggy> whats non-bugfarm?
20:33 <epsy> *phone
20:33 <epsy> something not like what you see on bugfarm ?
20:33 <xfroggy> ...
20:33 <epsy> (or seen)
20:33 <xfroggy> what do I see in bugfarm?
20:33 <xfroggy> idk i dont play there :P
20:33 <epsy> the physics
20:33 <xfroggy> im only in cafe or ww servers :S
20:34 <epsy> it's mostly like in café
20:34 <epsy> café is a bagfarm fort clone :)
20:34 <epsy> *bugfarm O_o
20:34 <libervisco> So what are we gonna do guys? I don't want to split what already is a little number of players who registered..
20:34 <libervisco> And I actually mentioned Armagetron in our last official press release
20:35 <libervisco> http://www.freedomware-gamefest.com/final_preliminary_announcement
20:35 <epsy> if players knew what they would play they would get easier on signing up
20:35 <libervisco> Catch 22 :D
20:35 <xfroggy> lol true to that epsy
20:35 <libervisco> So I say LMS and half of them are gone :D
20:36 <libervisco> I say Sumo and the other half is gone :D
20:36 <epsy> you got it :p
20:36 <libervisco> Will that half be compensated for? :P
20:36 <libervisco> How many Armagetron players are there overall?
20:36 <epsy> noob7_away, wake up
20:36 <epsy> #count armagetron players
20:36 <epsy> #eliza count armagetron players
20:36 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say count armagetron players?
20:37 <libervisco> charming
20:37 <libervisco> :D
20:37 <epsy> :S
20:37 <epsy> #eliza You are stupid.
20:37 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say i are stupid?
20:37 <libervisco> lol
20:37 <epsy> very charming :}
20:38 <epsy> 1st...how many fort ppl ?
20:38 <epsy> hm
20:39 <libervisco> There must be a most popular mode of all
20:39 <epsy> #tea
20:39 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
20:39 <epsy> libervisco, hm...say that to nexuiz ppl
20:40 <libervisco> Don't forget there is a prize waiting for the winner. :P
20:40 <epsy> haha
20:40  * epsy needs a server list
20:40 <epsy> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/sb.php
20:40 <epsy> here :p
20:41 <libervisco> ok thanks
20:42 <xfroggy> back :D
20:42 <epsy> wb
20:42 <xfroggy> hehe ^_^
20:43 <epsy> xfroggy, did you got your sb up btw?
20:43 <xfroggy> figuring out smf tables :S
20:43 <epsy> lol
20:43 <xfroggy> didnt really had time to look into it yet :P
20:44  * xfroggy is lazy
20:44 <epsy> xfroggy, how many fort players do you think there is ?
20:44 <epsy> my brain is just going into headache trying to get an approximation
20:46 <xfroggy> hrhr
20:46 <xfroggy> no idea :D
20:46 <xfroggy> over 30 I believe
20:46 <epsy> yea sure LOL!
20:46 <xfroggy> why not?
20:46 <MrBougo> :o
20:46 <xfroggy> on good day cafe is usually filled up with 22 players
20:46 <epsy> cuz there are like 5 main clans in fort
20:46 <epsy> approx. 10 members
20:47 <xfroggy> hrm lets count who plays on afl
20:47 <epsy> so we're already at 50
20:47 <xfroggy> oh
20:47 <xfroggy> so there, i was right :P
20:47 <epsy> then, non clanners
20:47 <epsy> *eww*
20:47 <epsy> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Competition_Hub
20:47 <xfroggy> lol^
20:47 <epsy> libervisco, i suggest you to look over there in old tourneys
20:47 <xfroggy> well the fact is
20:47 <epsy> there was some high rubber lms tourneys
20:47 <epsy> and some fortress ones
20:48 <xfroggy> is that fort players are more likely to show up then rubber players.
20:48 <xfroggy> thats the fact.
20:48 <epsy> yea
20:48 <xfroggy> I think fort players are more devoted to the game :)
20:48 <libervisco> alright, thanks epsy
20:48 <epsy> *cough*ITWC*cough*
20:49 <libervisco> IIRC fort is team based?
20:49 <xfroggy> yea
20:49 <epsy> libervisco, so you might see how many players would signup depending on gameplay :)
20:49 <epsy> indeed :)
20:50 <epsy> libervisco, the real current tourneys are...
20:50 <epsy> ..are..is the AFL
20:50 <xfroggy> *real* :D
20:50 <epsy> Ladles are over
20:50 <epsy> wish we seen TST again :(
20:50 <xfroggy> ...they not coming back?
20:50 <epsy> xfroggy, not before a long time
20:51 <xfroggy> so what happens after this AFL ends? a new one starts right away?
20:51 <epsy> yea
20:51 <xfroggy> oh
20:51 <xfroggy> meh
20:51 <epsy> 2 months later or smth :)
20:51 <xfroggy> it should be like world cup ^_^
20:51 <epsy> haha
20:51 <epsy> every 4 year ?
20:51 <xfroggy> well not that long
20:51 <epsy> hi dieing community
20:51 <xfroggy> every like 4 months maybe :D
20:52 <epsy> 4 years ago we did afl
20:52 <epsy> og wait
20:52 <epsy> the game died ?
20:52 <xfroggy> ahaha
20:52 <vinavil> it is the low rubber factor that attracts, the problem is that low rubber game style are fortress, sumo and the new lowest rubber nexus server. it would be interesting to create something new.
20:52 <epsy> vinavil, tigers classic
20:52 <epsy> altrought it always bugs
20:52 <vinavil> and tiger.. yes
20:52 <xfroggy> nexus is the one with 0 rubber?
20:53 <vinavil> yes
20:53 <epsy> 0.1*
20:53 <vinavil> no db, brake little boost
20:53 <xfroggy> tried it last night...i died mostly of the absence of double bind
20:53 <vinavil> hihi
20:53 <xfroggy> :S
20:53 <vinavil> it is a good training
20:53 <xfroggy> not for me anymore :(
20:54 <epsy> you mean, when you press your 2 keys, only one is done ?
20:54 <xfroggy> db for life
20:54 <vinavil> but actually not so funny for normal players
20:54 <vinavil> yes epsy
20:54 <xfroggy> yea epsy
20:54 <epsy> kewl :)
20:54 <xfroggy> lol ^
20:54  * epsy should switch that setting before and after mideling
20:54 <xfroggy> if u used to db, u screwed in there :D goody enjoys it for some reason and keeps winning also ^_^
20:54 <epsy> lol
20:54 <vinavil> i hope we could do something interesting with fts
20:55 <epsy> 6 axis fort!
20:55 <vinavil> we will start in 2 weeks
20:56 <epsy> what do you mean ?
20:56 <vinavil> with the project, fortress test server
20:56 <xfroggy> that sounds familiar
20:56 <epsy> i mean, what do you mean with 'start' :P
20:57 <vinavil> i mean the server will be up and a topic on forums will be dedicated to propose settings and feedbacks
20:57 <xfroggy> i can see rain tweaking all over this
20:57 <vinavil> also i would like to add a FEEDBACK call in game, with log
20:57 <vinavil> hehe
20:58 <epsy> lol
20:58 <vinavil> i am used to crash servers, but they seem to not mind and still love me
20:58 <epsy> haha :P
20:58 <xfroggy> lol
21:02  * epsy should probably get on delirenodelire
21:03 <vinavil> !nodelire
21:03 <epsy> to finish that DAMN module api
21:03 <vinavil> in italian api means bees
21:04 <epsy> haha
21:04 <vinavil> so i imagine epsy in trouble, trying to get some honey
21:04 <epsy> since weeks i'm on that code...i still can't know if the part i wrote actually works
21:04 <epsy> lol x)
21:06 <epsy> so now i need to get on the module-side code
21:06 <epsy> and the IPC itself
21:06 <epsy> *the IPC protocol
21:11 <vinavil> it is everything so clear when you talk
21:11 <epsy> lol :)
21:11 <epsy> you prefer to read my code instead ?
21:12 <vinavil> i'd rather
21:12 <vinavil> oh, the site is back online!
21:12 <vinavil> they finally restored my databse
21:13 <epsy> http://pastebin.ca/777423
21:15 <epsy> ew
21:15 <epsy> found one hehe
21:15 <luke-jr> anyone want 'zaidium.com'? it gets eaten by expire-domain-buyers today or soon
21:16 <epsy> what's zaidium.com ?
21:16 <vinavil> a domain i guess
21:16 <epsy> i mean, what was on there
21:17 <epsy> vinavil, happy ? :p
21:18 <vinavil> since he's offering the domain, the previous content has no relevance, hehe
21:18 <vinavil> anyway i'm happy because my site is up
21:19 <epsy> which is ... ?
21:21 <vinavil> buio.org/phpBB3
21:22 <luke-jr> epsy: some site I hosted
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21:53 <madmax> hello
22:02 <madmax> #svn
22:02 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
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22:11 <cusco> yooo madmax
22:11 <cusco> mekie
22:12 <cusco> o trunk esta partido
22:12 <cusco> oops
22:12 <cusco> trunk is broken
22:12 <cusco> doesn't connect to most servers
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22:53 <madmax> hello cusco
23:11 <epsy> cusco, trunk = zonesv2 = b0rken
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00:03 <cusco> ok
00:03 <cusco> I dunno what zonesv2 are
00:04 <cusco> but I maine some new fancy zones
00:13 <cusco> imagine
00:19 <madmax> there's some threads about it on the forums
00:54 <luke-jr> heh
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01:01 <Lucifer> we need a logo
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02:32 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: we need to obtain some liquid N for testing to make sure everything can survive the cold
02:33 <luke-jr> …
02:33 <Lucifer> today?
02:33 <ct|kyle> no
02:33 <ct|kyle> later on
02:33 <ct|kyle> when we have stuff built
02:33 <Lucifer> :)
02:34 <Lucifer> I was thinking of taking a trip to antarctica...
02:34 <ct|kyle> not near cold enough
02:34 <Lucifer> that's actually pretty close to lunar conditions, iirc.  No magnetic field to protect it
02:34 <Lucifer> what we need to test with is going to primarily depend on how much money we have :/
02:35 <Lucifer> I'm working on the MCP right now
02:35 <Lucifer> needs pyqt4 and pyqwt5
02:35 <ct|kyle> ah
02:37 <ct|kyle> since when did they start playing Christmas music on the radio starting this early in the year?
02:37 <GodTodd> since the inception of Hallothanksmas
02:38 <ct|kyle> oh
02:38 <ct|kyle> it started about 3PM today i was sick on it by 3:05PM
02:39 <GodTodd> i've got good xmas music that i play (closer to the season)
02:39 <GodTodd> :)
02:39 <ct|kyle> what starting the 24th
02:39 <ct|kyle> of december
02:40 <GodTodd> well...at least after fall semester
02:40 <ct|kyle> i get sick of it really quick
02:40 <Lucifer> awww, come on
02:41 <Lucifer> There's no presents, not this christmas, there's no presents!
02:41 <Lucifer> Stop the sharing!  Oh the sharing!
02:41  * Lucifer loves Christmas, really
02:41 <ct|kyle> i'm fine with a few days of it, but not this soon
02:41  * GodTodd prefers Modranecht and Yule ;)
02:41 <Lucifer> I refuse to do anything christmaslike until after thanksgiving
02:41 <ct|kyle> they play so much crappy music too
02:42 <Lucifer> and since I don't listen to the radio nor dumb my mind with tv, no problems
02:42  * GodTodd notes not all tv is dumb.
02:43 <GodTodd> just most of it
02:43 <GodTodd> heh
02:43 <ct|kyle> i listen to radio in car, that is it, well i was today since i have not gotten sound on computer yet
02:43 <ct|kyle> yes NASA TV is awesome
02:44 <GodTodd> i like discovery, history, nasa....lots of the educational/informational channels
02:44 <GodTodd> and pbs for Red Dwarf and Young Ones
02:44 <GodTodd> gotta have those
02:45 <ct|kyle> i'll watch maybe 1 regular series a year just to see how dumb Americans are
02:45 <ct|kyle> i got 4 PBS channels
02:47 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: do you let your kids watch those stupid kid shows?
02:47  * luke-jr doesn't let his kids watch TV
02:48 <ct|kyle> If i had kids i would limit them and restrict the idiot shows(99%) of them
02:50 <luke-jr> Lucifer: /j #jesus ☺
02:50 <ct|kyle> who the hell believes in that shit
02:51 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: we've never had TV
02:51 <luke-jr> not worth a penny
02:51 <ct|kyle> nice
02:56 <ct|kyle> dam i missed the space walk today
02:59 <GodTodd> no...luke just watches tv shows without the tv
02:59 <GodTodd> heh
03:00 <ct|kyle> i figured
03:00 <ct|kyle> i'll watch an old tech TV show through torrentcast
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03:01 <GodTodd> it's like anything else...as long as you practice smart viewing and moderation tv isn't all bad
03:01 <ct|kyle> ya
03:02 <ct|kyle> when they have tron's sequel on it i'll have to watch it again(assuming i goto theaters)
03:06 <ct|kyle> who can even watch cinematech it is like anime but worse
03:06 <GodTodd> heh... luke-jr must think he's making good points that show he's right and the #jesus people are wrong
03:11 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: I try to keep my kids' tv time down as much as possible
03:11 <ct|kyle> some of those shows are so stupid
03:11 <Lucifer> GodTodd: the thing is, if you practice smart viewing, there's nothing to watch :)
03:12 <ct|kyle> NASA TV
03:12 <ct|kyle> anyone can watch a space walk
03:13 <GodTodd> Lucifer: with all due respect:  bull :)
03:14 <Lucifer> GodTodd: sure you practice smart viewing?
03:14 <Lucifer> ;)
03:14 <GodTodd> i learn things
03:14 <GodTodd> and brit coms rule
03:14 <GodTodd> so, yeah :)
03:14 <Lucifer> hmmm, last time we got the beeb, it was the suckbeeb
03:14 <Lucifer> it was BBsuCk
03:15 <ct|kyle> heh
03:15 <Lucifer> and we get PBS with an antenna, so we can watch whatever they show there
03:15 <GodTodd> bah....pbs is the only place for the good brit coms
03:15 <GodTodd> psst: antenna is still tv
03:15 <Lucifer> nasa tv is pretty tempting, though, in case I ever want to learn what *not* to do
03:16 <Lucifer> antenna is like all the really bad tv, but without the really terrible tv
03:16 <Lucifer> not that I care, we only have an antenna because my wife plugs it in
03:16 <GodTodd> discovery is cool, if nothing else to come up with topics to piss off luke-jr :)
03:17 <Lucifer> every couple of months when I think everyone's been watching too much tv, I find some excuse to rearrange the electronics in the living room and unplug the antenna
03:17 <Lucifer> then forget to plug it back in
03:17 <ct|kyle> heh
03:17 <GodTodd> you know...exhumation of mummies that lived 3 years ago, king tut and all
03:17 <Lucifer> 3 years ago?
03:17 <Lucifer> you learn a lot, really
03:17 <GodTodd> to fit in his time frame it'd have to be
03:18 <GodTodd> scrunching it into luke-jr/tradcath time
03:18 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: years are you talking
03:18 <GodTodd> yep
03:19 <Lucifer> is luke-jr talking right now?
03:19 <ct|kyle> he must relly be trying to prove them smart people wrong. Hopefully not all dome people are there
03:19 <Lucifer> heh
03:19 <ct|kyle> err dumb*
03:19 <GodTodd> heh
03:20 <Lucifer> kyle, if you want to talk about "dome" people, you either need to read national geographic or make sure your spelling is right
03:20 <GodTodd> he spelled dome right ;)
03:20  * ct|kyle has terrible spelling 
03:21 <ct|kyle> heh
03:22 <ct|kyle> nothing is happening on #jesus so i said "All who disagree with luke-jr say I"
03:22 <GodTodd> should be "aye"
03:22 <GodTodd> :P
03:22 <ct|kyle> really i should say all who agree
03:23 <GodTodd> that would make it even quieter
03:23 <GodTodd> they like him a tad more than we do...but not much ;)
03:23 <ct|kyle> noone has said a word
03:23 <ct|kyle> heh
03:24 <Lucifer> heh
03:24 <Lucifer> I got in trouble in #qt for not warning them about luke-jr when he opened his mouth
03:24 <GodTodd> haha
03:25 <DrJoeTron> :I
03:25 <Lucifer> I don't want to write a B paper
03:25 <ct|kyle> everyone silent with that last remark
03:25 <Lucifer> but I don't want to quit this class with a C
03:26 <ct|kyle> well write a C paper
03:26 <DrJoeTron> cause luke-jr is a badmin
03:26 <ct|kyle> oh then a D
03:26 <Lucifer> you get a C when you take the C paper test, which is a paper that you write on a timer in the testing center
03:26 <DrJoeTron> C's get Degrees
03:26 <Lucifer> then you can write a B paper and get a B, and an A paper and get an A
03:27 <Lucifer> I don't want a medioCre
03:27 <Lucifer> I'd rather have an A for Apple Jacks
03:27 <ct|kyle> what do you have to write about?
03:27 <Lucifer> taking a B is settling, but I really don't want to write this paper
03:28 <Lucifer> I'm supposed to find an interpretive problem in one of the stories we read and write about it, propose solutions, support my solutions with research, etc.
03:28 <Lucifer> library-based research.  My comp 2 teacher hates the internet
03:28 <Lucifer> she says she doesn't, but I swear if I get one more "Wikipedia is bad, Microsoft is good" lecture I'm going to go all nutso on them
03:29 <GodTodd> wikipedia is bad
03:29 <GodTodd> microsoft is good
03:29 <Lucifer> it's very simple.  Encyclopedias are supposed to be no good for academic work.  That's all you need to say no to wikipedia.  But noooo, MS Encarta is fine because we all know Microsoft never lies
03:29 <GodTodd> wikipedia is bad
03:29 <GodTodd> microsoft is good
03:29 <GodTodd> wikipedia is bad
03:29 <GodTodd> microsoft is good
03:29 <ct|kyle> heh my High school blocked wikipedia and then all the English teachers claimed that we could not use that as a source
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03:30 <ct|kyle> so Answers.com works it uses wikipedia
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03:31 <@GodTodd> haha kyle trying to start holy shit
03:31 <@GodTodd> :)
03:31 <@GodTodd> [20:30] <ct|kyle> "Our purpose: to get us all closer to Jesus"  i thought this room was to distance us from a made up person?
03:31 <ct|kyle> :D
03:31 <@GodTodd> troll!
03:31 <Lucifer> I asked them to /msg me when the rapture comes
03:32 <Lucifer> they're probably still trying to figure out if I was trolling
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03:34 <Lucifer> spidey: sucks
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03:35 <ct|kyle> now is the fun
03:37  * ct|kyle got one talking
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03:38 <@Lucidiot> thx for the @
03:40  * Lucifer quietly points at the "idiot" in your name
03:40 <@Lucidiot> :)
03:40 <Lucifer> not very smart to go around telling everyone you're an idiot
03:40 <Lucifer> but that's your business :)
03:40 <@Lucidiot> good to know
03:41 <ct|kyle> hey thats that idiot from #jesus
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03:42 <@Lucifer> weeee
03:42 <Lucidiot> yep yep
03:42 <Lucidiot> weeeeee
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03:43 <@GodTodd> wow...did we build a church in here or what?
03:43 <@Lucifer> it's the Church of Suicidal
03:43 <@Lucifer> we'll have a sermon and a wonderful recital
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03:44 <@GodTodd> i wonder if i have any ST on my player...
03:44 <@GodTodd> i should...
03:44 <@GodTodd> heh
03:44 <@Lucifer> at least that song, heh :)
03:44  * Lucifer bbiab, have to take a luke-jr
03:44 <@GodTodd> i like Lovely too
03:45 <@ct|kyle> it is nice how in #jesus they are not accepting of all. like their religion says they should be
03:45 <luke-jr> WRONG
03:46 <luke-jr> we are to admonish the sinner and reject sin
03:47 <@ct|kyle> we are to pwn luke-jr and take over the world
03:47 <@GodTodd> isn't it jesus' job to judge what is sin?
03:47 <luke-jr> so?
03:47 <luke-jr> He has judged
03:48 <@GodTodd> so, there is no judgement where he makes sure who has accepted him into their heart?
03:48 <@GodTodd> judgement day*
03:48 <@ct|kyle> so it is a sin to state your own logical opinions?
03:48 <luke-jr> it is sin to oppose God
03:48 <@GodTodd> i don't oppose him at all, i think xtians have just misinterpreted and bastardized his concept
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03:49 <@ct|kyle> yes i only opposed jesus not god
03:49 <@GodTodd> hell, i don't oppose jesus either
03:49 <@GodTodd> he was one hell of a magician
03:49 <@ct|kyle> died last year right?
03:49 <@GodTodd> only in luke-jr time
03:49 <@ct|kyle> ya
03:53 <@ct|kyle> GodTodd: -->
03:55 <@GodTodd> ?
03:57 <cusco> lol
03:57 <cusco> religion is nothing but a reason for war
03:57 <cusco> history has proven that
03:57 <cusco> it is a fact that nobody can prove wrong
03:58 <cusco> nobody can change the past history course no money no power can change that fact
03:58 <cusco> its not that microsoft can buy off the oposition, its just not changeble
03:59 <cusco> and that is why I believe in: NO RELIGION
03:59 <cusco> no religion, no god, see to believe like s. tome
03:59 <luke-jr> cusco: religion is fact
04:00 <cusco> yes
04:00 <cusco> so its reason
04:00 <cusco> war
04:00 <luke-jr> no
04:00 <cusco> yes
04:00 <luke-jr> its reason is peace
04:00 <cusco> HA!
04:00 <luke-jr> and truth
04:00 <@ct|kyle> lets just say next time i go into that room i'm going to have a lot of fun
04:00 <cusco> HAAAA!
04:00 <cusco> go die
04:00 <luke-jr> …
04:01 <cusco> how about the millions of crusades
04:01 <luke-jr> how about them?
04:01 <cusco> that killed all those who not opposed their religion but oposed giving in money to the curch?
04:01 <luke-jr> lies
04:01 <cusco> oh yes ofcourse
04:02 <cusco> I mean... its a lie that church wants money, but its no lie that god exists
04:02 <cusco> I only never have seen him
04:02 <@GodTodd> more proof darwin was right --> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071117/ap_on_re_us/internet_suicide
04:02 <@ct|kyle>  /join #luke-jrisanasshat
04:02 <cusco> and found cristian people asking me money everyday
04:02 <cusco> but what does that mean
04:03 <luke-jr> cusco: there's a lot of frauds abusing the name Christian
04:03 <cusco> sarcasm aside......
04:03 <@GodTodd> and they use the name tradcath
04:03 <@GodTodd> :)
04:03 <cusco> I believe in no god
04:03 <luke-jr> your loss
04:03 <luke-jr> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
04:04 <cusco> but I carry a medal of "mother of jesus" (nossa senhora) because i respect my grandm other wishes
04:04  * GodTodd never clicks on a luke-jr link...never are any good
04:04 <cusco> I have an open mind I can understand anything
04:04 <cusco> but I believe what I want and nobody is going to tell me otherwise
04:04 <luke-jr> cusco: you mean the Miraculous Medal?
04:04 <cusco> (I'm stubborn by the way)
04:04 <cusco> luke-jr: dunno whats its name
04:05 <cusco> its a piece of paper with a bit of a pray and a metal in it
04:05 <luke-jr> http://images.google.com/images?q=miraculous+medal
04:05 <cusco> my grandmother is this woman who has a course to go and give those pieces of raw bread to sick people's homes and all... she takes part in manny catholic events and so on and so fotrh
04:05 <cusco> because I like her a lot I respect her
04:05 <cusco> let me check
04:06 <cusco> yes
04:06 <cusco> thats the one
04:06 <cusco> does that has any special meaning?
04:06 <luke-jr> get a chain for it, wear it (under clothing if you like), and say the prayer when you wake and before you sleep every day
04:06 <cusco> it says "italy"under the cross
04:06 <luke-jr> then you'll be all set
04:07 <cusco> set for what?
04:07 <@ct|kyle> set for turning into dirt
04:07 <luke-jr> Our Lady will guide you to the truth
04:07 <cusco> sure will
04:07 <cusco> I found the light
04:07 <luke-jr> cusco: if she doesn't really exist, it can't hurt to do it, can it?
04:08 <cusco> if you pay me £5 a day I will do it everyday! :P
04:08 <cusco> luke-jr: no it doesn't hurt
04:08 <cusco> at all
04:08 <luke-jr> I can't afford it
04:08 <cusco> thats why i carry it in my pocket
04:08 <cusco> or wallet
04:08 <cusco> but I never take it out never read the pray nor anything
04:08 <luke-jr> so say the prayer
04:09 <luke-jr> or would that hurt?
04:09 <cusco> I already did now... not that I care
04:09 <cusco> I just can't be bothered with it
04:09 <luke-jr> then maybe Mary won't be bothered with you
04:10 <cusco> anyway god is just a explanation man made up somewhere in time to explain stuff that they coudln't at the time
04:10 <luke-jr> nope
04:10 <cusco> so today we know that saint peter is not crying when it rains
04:10 <cusco> we know that there is condesation, precepitation etc
04:10 <DrJoeTron> you can't prove that
04:10 <@ct|kyle> the whole bible was made up just to control people
04:10 <cusco> nor can you prove that he exists
04:10 <cusco> so we are even
04:10 <cusco> if you can say he exists
04:10 <cusco> I can say he doesn't
04:10 <DrJoeTron> it was a joke.
04:10 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: the Bible wasn't made for people to read; how can it control them?
04:10  * cusco likes ==
04:10 <DrJoeTron> irc serious business
04:11 <luke-jr> cusco: God's existence has been proven plenty
04:11 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: it is controlling the way you look at life
04:11 <cusco> ct|kyle: no... the whole bible actually tells a nice story
04:11 <cusco> and many people in it where real
04:11 <DrJoeTron> why don't I have ops yet :I
04:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o DrJoeTron] by ChanServ
04:11 <@DrJoeTron> i want permanent ops :I
04:12 <cusco> but those people probably smoked too much crack and then say they saw weird monsters doing weird things
04:12  * luke-jr doesn't have that access level, nor think it'd be a good idea
04:12 <cusco> luke-jr: no it hasn't
04:12 <cusco> me may not know a lot bunch of stuff just as much as we don't know that god exists
04:12 <cusco> you just choose to believe that he does
04:12 <luke-jr> cusco: He does exist
04:12 <cusco> wich is diferrent from knowing that he does
04:12  * luke-jr knows He does
04:13 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: prove it
04:13 <cusco> ok why don't you bring him here for me too meet him
04:13 <cusco> perhaps I can shake his hand
04:13 <@DrJoeTron> jesus fucking christ
04:13 <@DrJoeTron> why are you guys bothering
04:13 <luke-jr> cusco: I can't be bothered to even bring myself to you to meet me
04:13 <luke-jr> :þ
04:13 <cusco> and invite him to get kicked on any server with no zones
04:13 <@DrJoeTron> stop bitching about god and bible shit and go fix armagetron
04:13 <cusco> (since tron from trunk can't play on those)
04:13 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: you fix arma
04:13 <@DrJoeTron> tia
04:13 <cusco> luke-jr: lol
04:13 <@DrJoeTron> im not a dev
04:14 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: so become one
04:14 <@DrJoeTron> no one wants me to be
04:14 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: prove his existence
04:14 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: why should I?
04:14 <cusco> luke-jr: why should we believe?
04:14 <luke-jr> cusco: so you don't burn for eternity?
04:14 <cusco> prove is something you do when you want somebody to believe
04:15 <cusco> if you don't care to rpove, then don't care about our believes
04:15 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: because science explains his non existence
04:15 <luke-jr> I don't care to reinvent the wheel
04:15 <cusco> then don't reeivent a bike with no weels
04:15 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: nope
04:15 <cusco> leveing smoke instead of a glassy wall
04:15 <@DrJoeTron> give me a fucking hoveer bike
04:15 <cusco> yes thats iT!
04:15 <@DrJoeTron> i'll take that
04:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: science explains how human blood from the 8th century is still alive today?
04:16 <cusco> luke-jr: nobody called scienece in yet
04:16 <luke-jr> cusco: ct|kyle did
04:16 <cusco> but if you do that turns to our favor
04:16 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: well prove his existence, until proven otherwise he does not exist
04:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: go read a book
04:16 <cusco> science doesnt explain everything but what it does, it rpoves " god " wrong
04:17 <@DrJoeTron> the next person to keep this going gets kicked
04:17 <cusco> while god trys to explain just about EVERYTHING and all of that we have no prove to be right...
04:17 <@ct|kyle> books are words made up with bias
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04:17 <DrJoeTron> >:(
04:17 <@GodTodd> DrJoeTron: da badmin
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04:18 <DrJoeTron> i wasn't kidding!
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04:18 <luke-jr> wtf do you need to be op to /invite?
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04:19 <luke-jr> even Aristotle concluded there to be one God, and his society had no such foundations
04:19 <@GodTodd> to make you ask that question
04:19 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: where is your proof?
04:19 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: go read Aristotle, Aquinas, or some other great philosopher
04:19 <@GodTodd> definition of "great": agrees with luke-jr's views
04:19 <cusco> why take other peoples thoughts if I can think for myself?
04:19 <@ct|kyle> heh
04:19 <luke-jr> I'm not qualified to lay the foundations in that detail
04:20 <luke-jr> cusco: you're obviously not doing it very well
04:20 <@ct|kyle> # quote add GodTodd: definition of "great": agrees with luke-jr's views
04:20 <armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
04:20 <@ct|kyle> #quote add GodTodd: definition of "great": agrees with luke-jr's views
04:20 <armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
04:20 <@GodTodd> see...it's that condescending, little boy shit that makes me glad we have /ignore
04:20 <cusco> I obviously have never met god. And MOST OF YOU ALL only believe in him because the rest of the society does
04:21 <cusco> and back to basics
04:21 <@GodTodd> ct|kyle: that means you need to reg with armabot ;)
04:21 <cusco> religion has only brought bad wars over the years
04:21 <luke-jr> cusco: you never met George Washington either
04:21 <luke-jr> anti-religion causes wars
04:21 <cusco> I can google pictures of him
04:22 <luke-jr> drawn pictures
04:22 <cusco> well if a religion says all other religions are anti-ours...
04:22 <@ct|kyle> #whoami
04:22 <armabot> ct|kyle: ct|kyle
04:22 <cusco> its like propriatary software
04:22 <@ct|kyle> #quote add GodTodd: definition of "great": agrees with luke-jr's views
04:22 <armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.  Quote #63 added.
04:22 <DrJoeTron> george washington carver
04:22 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
04:23 <@ct|kyle> GodTodd: fist time i had a " " i was not sure
04:23 <luke-jr> cusco: by definition there is only one true religion
04:23 <cusco> see? defenition of who
04:23 <cusco> lets not call it religion then... lets call it believes
04:23 <cusco> why cant I believe in something else?
04:23 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: there were several religions before Christianity and its base
04:23 <luke-jr> you can, but you'll suffer for it in the end if your beliefs deny reality
04:24 <cusco> LOL
04:24 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: there is no before its "Base"
04:24 <cusco> only reallity my beliefs deny, are that manny people believe in something nor real
04:24 <luke-jr> God is reality
04:25 <cusco> but thanks (hmm not god) I live in a place where people don't care about god... only celebrate christmas for tradition, p[arty and presents
04:25 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: i wont the proof for that statement
04:25 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: I already told you were to get it
04:26 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: just bring him to me
04:26 <cusco> where as all the arab imigrants come and find weird that how can we not believe in god and celebrate christmas
04:26 <cusco> its because of all the narrow mindness arround religion I don't believe in it
04:26 <cusco> I like to be able to believe manny things or none
04:26 <cusco> and be able to see them all
04:26 <@ct|kyle> under god the world was flat
04:26 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: He won't go if you hate him
04:26 <@GodTodd> bah...xmas is a bastardized holiday anyway
04:27 <cusco> yes
04:27 <cusco> still... I like tradition but not religion
04:27 <cusco> I don't mind having the medal of miracle but I just have no faith
04:27 <@GodTodd> it became a xtian holiday for no other reason than to make xtianity more appealing to pagans
04:27 <cusco> until I can really meet god, I won't believe him
04:28 <@GodTodd> yes..that does help to validate beliefs
04:28 <luke-jr> cusco: to your own suffering
04:29 <cusco> I don't find that I suffer from it
04:29 <cusco> I would only if I was discriminated
04:29 <luke-jr> you will
04:29 <cusco> or something
04:29 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: what is your perception of gravity?
04:29 <cusco> but society treats me just the same
04:29 <cusco> so I just don't suffer
04:29 <cusco> I am FREE to believe what I want
04:29 <luke-jr> you've never met Richard Lawrence-- do you deny his existence as well?
04:30 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: that question makes no sense
04:30 <cusco> I already said I can google picturs of him up
04:30 <cusco> god's I cannot
04:30 <luke-jr> you can google up drawn pictures of God too
04:30 <cusco> furthermore even people who believes admits they never met him, but they still exsits
04:30 <cusco> so if nobody met hi... why believe him?
04:31 <cusco> what proffit do you get from it?
04:31 <luke-jr> plenty of people met Him
04:31 <@ct|kyle> like?
04:31 <cusco> sure crazy people
04:31 <luke-jr> St. Matthew?
04:31 <luke-jr> St. James?
04:31 <@ct|kyle> the schizophrenic
04:31 <luke-jr> nope
04:31 <luke-jr> the first Bishop of Jerusalem
04:31 <@ct|kyle> how do you know?
04:32 <cusco> lol
04:32 <cusco> oopsi daisys
04:32 <cusco> well now, before I get another censorship kick
04:32 <@ct|kyle> where you their to view them meeting him?
04:32 <cusco> Im off to bed
04:32 <luke-jr> maybe everyone who met Richard Lawrence was schizo too
04:32 <luke-jr> cusco: I deopped him
04:32 <@ct|kyle> that is why there are pictures
04:33 <luke-jr> cusco: don't go :þ
04:33 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: DRAWN pictures
04:33 <cusco> lol
04:33 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: cameras are relatively new
04:33 <luke-jr> and anyone can draw
04:33 <luke-jr> fact is, there is less proof that Richard Lawrence existed than there is of God's existence
04:34 <cusco> I can always set a timer that will repeat: god is a myth explaining the things human minds cannot explain - religion is just a reason for killing different people to get hold of their possessions
04:34 <@ct|kyle> prove it
04:34 <cusco> and go off to bet
04:34 <cusco> and let it roll
04:34 <cusco> :P
04:34 <luke-jr> cusco: wrong again
04:35 <cusco> me beeing wrong doesn't make you right
04:35 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: prove Richard Lawrence's existence
04:35 <@ct|kyle> i asked you frist
04:35 <luke-jr> cusco: I'm only right in so far as I believe the truth
04:35 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: I told you where the answer is too
04:35 <cusco> once you cannot prove that it is true then you're alone in that statement
04:35 <@ct|kyle> i can't wait to become dirt when i die
04:36 <cusco> you and other thousands of bilions of crazy crack smoking people
04:36 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: i don't accept biased writings
04:36 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: so you don't accept any writings
04:36 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: read Aristotle
04:36 <luke-jr> he started out like the rest of his society-- a pagan
04:37 <luke-jr> and came to the conclusion of one God through pure philosophy
04:37 <luke-jr> and was killed for it, IIRC
04:37 <cusco> if we look out of the box this is just a thin inside society
04:37 <cusco> if all the humans vanished from earth was god still there?
04:37 <cusco> lol
04:37 <luke-jr> yes
04:38 <cusco> your only possible hafl-proof that god exists is all thoer people saying the same with no futile evidence
04:38 <cusco> lag
04:38 <cusco> ok now
04:38 <cusco> bybye
04:39 <luke-jr> cusco: say the prayer daily and you'll be safe
04:39 <@ct|kyle> yes i'm don listening to idiot luke-jr that can't make a decision on his own
04:39 <luke-jr> no, I can't decide reality
04:39 <luke-jr> if I tried, it wouldn't be reality
04:39 <luke-jr> it would be a fantasy
04:40 <@GodTodd> ct|kyle: finally?
04:40 <@GodTodd> ;)
04:40 <@ct|kyle> :D
04:43 <@ct|kyle> we just all hope that one day luke-jr will become smart enough to realize his mistake
04:43 <luke-jr> I hope you realize your mistake before you die
04:43 <luke-jr> at least my mistake has no possibility of eternal suffering
04:43 <luke-jr> "mistake"*
04:43 <@ct|kyle> my mistake?
04:44 <@ct|kyle> neither does mine
04:44 <luke-jr> yes it does
04:44 <@ct|kyle> prove it
04:44 <luke-jr> if you're wrong, you suffer for eternity
04:44 <luke-jr> if you're right, you get nothing out of life
04:44 <luke-jr> you just cease existing
04:45 <luke-jr> if I'm wrong, I just cease existing, getting nothing out of life, just like you
04:45 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: if you are wrong you have wasted your whole life
04:45 <luke-jr> if I'm right, I get eternal happiness
04:45 <luke-jr> if I don't exist, what do I care?
04:46 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: if I don't exist, what do I care that my life was wasted⁇
04:47 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: your life is wasted. start puting life to good use
04:47 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: if I don't exist, what do I care that my life was wasted⁇
04:47 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: because you could have been free while living
04:47 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: if I don't exist, what do I care that I could have been "free"?
04:49 <@ct|kyle> luke-jr: your too stupid to realize how you are living your life in hell, wasting you life away to BS
04:50 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: if that is true, WHY DO I CARE?
04:53 <cusco> why do we care?
04:53 <cusco> all of that you say goes both sides
04:53 <cusco> all
04:53 <cusco> (if you're willing to see it)
04:54 <luke-jr> nope
04:54 <luke-jr> because if you're wrong, you DO exist and BURN
04:55 <cusco> well what do I care
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by Lucifer
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o GodTodd] by Lucifer
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o ct|kyle] by Lucifer
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o spidey_] by Lucifer
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Lucifer] by Lucifer
04:55 <@Lucifer> You know, I like to talk trash to luke-jr as much as the next guy
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
04:55 <@luke-jr> you don't care about burning?
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by luke-jr
04:55 <cusco> I do in this life
04:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by Lucifer
04:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by luke-jr
04:56 <cusco> I just don't know about if there is a next one for me to burn
04:56 <cusco> and because I don't see why there should be one...
04:56 <cusco> nope I don't care
04:56 <@luke-jr> my point is, I have nothing to lose if I do turn out to be wrong ;)
04:56 <@Lucifer> guru3: two choices.  I leave this channel and never return.  Luke-jr loses mod
04:57 <@Lucifer> guru3: I'm leaving now.
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04:57 <cusco> my point is i have "open-freedom" to do what I waht with my believes and nobody can take that freedom away from me
04:57  * luke-jr would like to know what justifys putting the channel on moderation
04:57 <@luke-jr> oh well, he's left to "never" return before
04:58 <@luke-jr> he'll be back
04:58 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
04:58 <cusco> maybe less trash on teh channel ... because its not really having an active conversation... hmm offtopic might get his client to read too much traffic and therefore lag?!?!?!?!
04:59 <cusco> and maybe hit his monthly traffic usage
04:59 <cusco> lol
04:59 <luke-jr> yeah, let's turn into one of those channels where nobody ever talks
04:59 <cusco> yes, and when you say "hello" somebody says why the hell you're saying hello? and all of they just fall on you because of nothing
05:00 <cusco> give you half a million reasons not to say hello
05:00 <cusco> lol
05:00 <ct|kyle> and then you say leave.  just like # jesus chat
05:00 <cusco> anybody here plays chess?
05:00 <cusco> lol
05:00 <luke-jr> sortof
05:00 <luke-jr> not regularly tho
05:01 <cusco> me neither but since I m awake until so late.. this used to be the times where I liked to play
05:01 <luke-jr> online?
05:01 <cusco> xboard -ics -icshost freechess.org
05:01  * luke-jr forgets what his client is
05:01 <cusco> not really online no
05:01 <cusco> but why not?
05:02 <luke-jr> …
05:02 <cusco> xboard?
05:02 <luke-jr> cusco: I'm on freechess
05:02 <cusco> what nickname?
05:03 <cusco> im there as cusco
05:03 <cusco> challenge cusco
05:03 <luke-jr> guest
05:03 <cusco> whats teh letters after guest?
05:03 <luke-jr> how?
05:03 <cusco> type challenge cusco
05:03 <luke-jr> Logging you in as "GuestRYMK"; you may use this name to play unrated games.
05:03 <cusco> in teh command line
05:03 <cusco> ok hold
05:03 <ct|kyle> we need to get armagetronad on gOS
05:04 <luke-jr> ⁇?
05:04 <cusco> 2 minutes only?!
05:04 <cusco> your turn :P
05:04 <luke-jr> I didn't configure it!
05:04 <cusco> yea!
05:04 <luke-jr> r5848 was the last pre-zonesv2 rev
05:04 <cusco> ok hold
05:05 <ct|kyle> 7224
05:05 <cusco> err
05:05 <cusco> so
05:05 <cusco> wich?
05:05 <luke-jr> 5848
05:05 <ct|kyle> wrtl tol me 7224
05:05 <ct|kyle> told*
05:05 <luke-jr> ct|kyle doesn't know what he's talking about
05:05 <cusco> ok
05:06 <ct|kyle> although there are zone errors in it such as DZ's not showing up
05:06 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: I'm talking about what actually works
05:07 <ct|kyle> 7224 works just not for a lot od DZ's
05:09 <cusco> cheque
05:09 <luke-jr> how did you do that?
05:09 <luke-jr> side-moves for pawns are capture only…
05:10 <cusco> precisely
05:10 <cusco> I captured
05:10 <cusco> time goes to -
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05:13 <cusco> make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/armagetronad-0.3/src/thirdparty/mathexpr'
05:13 <cusco> make[4]: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.am', needed by `Makefile.in'.  Stop.
05:13 <cusco> can't build!
05:14 <luke-jr> #later tell guru3 Lucifer wanted to +m the room (didn't give a reason) and got pissed off when I -m'd it so the conversation (unrelated to him) could continue
05:14 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
05:14 <luke-jr> cusco: ?
05:14 <cusco> I can't buld that revision
05:14 <cusco> dunno why
05:17 <luke-jr> hm
05:19 <luke-jr> jerk
05:19 <cusco> lol
05:27 <luke-jr> crap
05:27 <cusco> lol
05:27 <cusco> i still have 44 seconds to play ! :P
05:28 <luke-jr> jerk
05:28 <cusco> hey... lets try one of those diferent modes afterwards
05:30 <luke-jr> cusco: you suck
05:30 <cusco> I know!
05:31 <cusco> Im gonna send u a challenge
05:31 <cusco> after just type accept
05:31 <cusco> in the cli
05:32 <luke-jr> ⁂* Starting FICS session as GuestJDFC(U) ⁂*
05:32 <luke-jr> what makes you think I have a CLI? :þ
05:33 <cusco> accept
05:33 <cusco> oh
05:33 <cusco> you sent me a standard
05:34 <luke-jr> I did?
05:34 <cusco> now you sent a blitz, thats what we ve been playing
05:34 <cusco> arenand Im sending u games and u not accepting
05:35 <cusco> lol
05:35 <cusco> off to bed I am!
05:35 <luke-jr> I clicked accept!
05:35 <cusco> next time
05:35 <cusco> :/
05:35 <cusco> here you're sending games out
05:35 <cusco> well nevermind
05:35 <cusco> gotta sleep really
05:35 <cusco> bye
05:36 <cusco> oi
05:36 <cusco> don't forget
05:36 <cusco> god does not exist
05:36 <cusco> thank you bye
05:36 <luke-jr> liar
05:41 <GodTodd> dammit
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05:58 <spidey_> #weather 38256
05:58 <armabot> spidey_: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 36.3°F (11:03 PM CST on November 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising).
05:58 <spidey_> it's fucking cold!
05:58 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:58 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 59.0°F (11:04 PM CST on November 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Falling).
05:58 <GodTodd> yes it is :/
05:58 <spidey_> ...
05:58 <spidey_> you call that cold?
05:58 <GodTodd> yep
05:58 <spidey_> we call that a nice day
05:58 <spidey_> heh
05:59 <GodTodd> not my fault you guys picked a cold area ;)
05:59 <GodTodd> #weather 68131
05:59 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Omaha, Nebraska is 39.2°F (10:52 PM CST on November 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
05:59 <GodTodd> yeah...don't miss that
06:00 <spidey_> it's like
06:00 <GodTodd> #weather 88310
06:00 <spidey_> 30F in the house
06:00 <spidey_> >.>
06:00 <spidey_> so i'ma go to bed under my 3 blankets
06:00 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Alamogordo, New Mexico is 42.8°F (9:51 PM MST on November 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
06:00 <spidey_> #night
06:00 <armabot> Good night spidey_!
06:00 <GodTodd> #weather 85205
06:01 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Val Vista & University, Mesa, Arizona is 63.3°F (10:02 PM MST on November 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).  Record or near record high temperatures Saturday through Monday...
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06:56 <luke-jr> #later tell cusco I didn't know what I was talking about either-- try rev 7293
06:56 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
06:56 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: or any other dev: ping
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07:09 <MrBougo> hiho
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12:40 <vinavil> i cannot find an efficacious translation for "poll"
12:41 <luke-jr_> O.o
12:41 <luke-jr_> what language?
12:41 <vinavil> italian translations for that word do not sound good for the meaning armagetron use it
12:42 <luke-jr_> hm
12:42 <luke-jr_> no elections? XD
12:43 <luke-jr_> tally?
12:45 <vinavil> we have the word "sondaggio"
12:45 <vinavil> but it is more close to forums poll meaning than voting one
12:46 <vinavil> or we have "votazione"
12:46 <vinavil> that is more like voting than poll
12:47 <luke-jr_> ?
12:47 <luke-jr_> forums poll?
12:48 <vinavil> so,  a sentence could be "player x ha votato contro la votazione..." that sounds bad. like "player x voted against the voting..."
12:48 <vinavil> yes, do you know when in a forum you start a poll, with a question and possible answers
12:49 <vinavil> we call that "sondaggio"
12:49 <MrBougo> hehe
12:50 <vinavil> but actually every translation of "poll" lacks the meaning required in armagetron
12:50 <madmax> are you translating the game? :P
12:50 <vinavil> yes, i am
12:51 <madmax> cool
12:52 <luke-jr_> vinavil: that sounds like the same kind of poll
12:52 <luke-jr_> [05:54:26] <vinavil> yes, do you know when in a forum you start a poll, with a question and possible answers
12:53 <vinavil> yes, but it is not the same meaning
12:53 <luke-jr_> :/
12:53 <luke-jr_> it sounds the same
12:53 <vinavil> if i use "sondaggio" i have to change the structure at all
12:53 <madmax> "voted against the >kick poll<"?
12:56 <madmax> translated accordingly of course...
12:57 <vinavil> for example, to say "player x voted against poll "kick rain"" i have to write " il giocatore x ha votato contro il sondaggio per eliminare il giocatore rain dal gioco"
12:57 <vinavil> and it sounds ugly
12:58 <vinavil> better i change the whole concept
12:58 <madmax> why not eliminate the second giocatore?
12:58 <vinavil> what do you mean?
12:59 <madmax> il giocatore x ha votato contro il sondaggio per eliminare rain dal gioco
12:59 <madmax> sounds better
13:00 <madmax> it's still correct, right?
13:02 <vinavil> yes, of course. just "x ha votato contro il sondaggio per eliminare rain dal gioco" sounds better,
13:02 <vinavil> but, if i remember well, you are portuguese and you see that
13:02 <vinavil> "madmax voted against for poll "kick rain""
13:02 <vinavil> is way more flowing
13:03 <vinavil> the fact is translating i have first to translate and second to "italianize" the sentence
13:06 <vinavil> i could eliminate the word itself, using "propose" verb instead
13:06 <luke-jr_> but it was already proposed…
13:07 <luke-jr_> how about "agrees with"?
13:09 <vinavil> like: "madmax proposed to kick rain" "madmax ha proposto di eliminare rain dal gioco"
13:09 <vinavil> but then the problem is with "agree"
13:09 <vinavil> "to agree" doesn't exist in italian
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13:09 <luke-jr_> wtf
13:10 <luke-jr_> you can't agree?
13:10 <luke-jr_> how about approval
13:10 <vinavil> we use "essere d'accordo" "to be in agreement"
13:10 <vinavil> or "concordare" "concord", but it is formal
13:11 <luke-jr_> what's wrong with that?
13:11 <vinavil> "approvare", that may work
13:12 <vinavil> luke-jr_, the problem is when you form the sentence.
13:12 <vinavil> if i use "essere d'accordo" i'll get: "rain è stato d'accordo con madmax per eliminare rain dal gioco"
13:13 <luke-jr_> what do you have against rain anyhow?
13:13 <vinavil> lol
13:13 <vinavil> i am rain
13:13 <luke-jr_> o
13:13 <luke-jr_> ^^;;
13:14 <vinavil> heh
13:14 <madmax> "madmax concorda com a eliminação de rain do jogo" hmm...
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13:15 <vinavil> interesting madmax
13:15 <vinavil> let me italianize
13:16 <luke-jr_> ?
13:16 <vinavil> "rain ha proposto di eliminare madmax dal gioco"
13:16 <vinavil> "madmax approva l'eliminazione di rain dal gioco"
13:16 <vinavil> rain disapprova l'eliminazione di rain dal gioco"
13:17 <vinavil> that is perfect
13:17 <madmax> ^^
13:17 <vinavil> thx max
13:17 <vinavil> forunately languages have some roots in common
13:18 <vinavil> the problem now is how to call it in the menu
13:21 <madmax> the "kick menu"?
13:21 <vinavil> yes
13:22 <vinavil> oh no, the value is not the player's name, but "kick player"
13:23 <madmax> not sure if kick should be translated
13:24 <vinavil> uff
13:25 <vinavil> so i have to use "sondaggio"
13:25 <vinavil> bleah
13:25 <madmax> perhaps you could check a popular game with an italian translation
13:26  * madmax notes he's thinking of helping with the portuguese translation
13:27 <vinavil> "rain ha proposto il sondaggio "kick madmax""
13:27 <vinavil> "madmax ha votato contro il sondaggio "kick madmax"
13:27 <vinavil> "luke ha votato a favore il sondaggio "kick madmax"
13:27 <vinavil> mah mih moh mah
13:27 <luke-jr_> ..
13:29 <madmax> is sondaggio more like survey?
13:29 <luke-jr_> vinavil: check quake4
13:29 <luke-jr_> or nwn
13:29 <luke-jr_> those are the only two games w/ linguas_it in Gentoo
13:30 <vinavil> madmax, yes it is
13:30 <vinavil> luke-jr_, where can i find language files for those games?
13:31 <luke-jr_>         ${UPDATE_BASEURL}/nwitalian${MY_PV}.tar.gz )
13:31 <luke-jr_> UPDATE_BASEURL="http://files.bioware.com/neverwinternights/updates/linux"
13:31 <vinavil> madmax, the fact is "poll" translation does not exist in italian
13:31 <luke-jr_> MY_PV is 129
13:32 <luke-jr_> SRC_URI="mirror://idsoftware/quake4/linux/quake4-linux-${PV}.x86.run"
13:32 <luke-jr_> PV is 1.4.2
13:32 <luke-jr_> idsoftware      ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff ftp://dl.xs4all.nl/pub/mirror/idsoftware/idstuff ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pc/games/idgames/idstuff ftp://ftp.mancubus.net/pub/idgames/idstuff ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/mirrors/idsoftware ftp://ftp.mirror.nl/pub/mirror/idsoftware/idstuff ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/idgames/idstuff ftp://ii3dg.iinet.net.au/games/idstuff ftp://ftp.gamers.org/pub/idgames/idstuff
13:32 <luke-jr_> ftp://ftp.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff
13:33 <MrBougo> :o
13:36 <vinavil> i will take a look, thx luke
13:36 <luke-jr_> http://nwdownloads.bioware.com/neverwinternights/linux/129/nwclient129.tar.gz
13:37 <luke-jr_> I wonder if that could be considered violating copyright..
13:37 <vinavil> lol
13:38 <vinavil> i'm off, thx for help
13:38 <vinavil> bye
13:38 <madmax> cya
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16:19 <KeY_3113> hey
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16:23 <K-Yo> i can't manage installing arma on gusty....
16:23 <K-Yo> firefox says the package has an error :S
16:26 <luke-jr_> what would firefox know?
16:26 <luke-jr_> it's not a package manager
16:26 <luke-jr_> I hope
16:26 <K-Yo> i don't know, when i click on the link, it says there is an error
16:26 <luke-jr_> what link?
16:27 <K-Yo> i tried the 3 links on the dl section for linux
16:27 <luke-jr_> link
16:27 <luke-jr_> I don't see any gutsy downloads
16:27 <K-Yo> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package?download
16:28 <K-Yo> i tried this one
16:28 <K-Yo> and the feisty one
16:28 <K-Yo> doesn't arma works on gusty?
16:28 <luke-jr_> I concur
16:28 <luke-jr_> those links are broken
16:28 <K-Yo> ah
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16:29 <luke-jr_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/games/armagetronad
16:29 <luke-jr_> it appears Ubuntu supports Arma on Gutsy!
16:29 <K-Yo> great
16:30 <K-Yo> i'll try that
16:31 <K-Yo> cu got to reach ubuntu XD
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16:43 <k-yo> hey
16:43 <k-yo> it worked perfectly thanks luke-jr
16:45 <luke-jr_> np
16:46 <k-yo> we can't use 2.8.3 yet on ubuntu? i used it on windows
16:46 <luke-jr_> no such thing
16:46 <k-yo> ok
16:46 <luke-jr_> for one thing, we're not even at 1.0 yet
16:46 <luke-jr_> everything is 0.*
16:46 <luke-jr_> and the latest stable is 0.2.8.2.1
16:47 <k-yo> 0.2.8.3
16:47 <k-yo> i meant
16:47 <luke-jr_> does not exist
16:47 <k-yo> hum
16:48 <k-yo> sry, 0.3 i meant
16:48 <luke-jr_> 0.3 is not stable, nor meant to be
16:48 <luke-jr_> no surprise Ubuntu treats it like such
16:48 <k-yo> okay
16:49 <k-yo> i'll wait then and play with 0.2 meanwhile
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18:11 <duudii> #seen Angel
18:11 <armabot> duudii: I have not seen Angel.
18:11 <duudii> #seen Angel-H
18:11 <armabot> duudii: Angel-H was last seen in #armagetron 11 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Angel-H> hi :)
18:14  * GodTodd_ calls the armagetronad release "2.8" just to upset luke-jr_
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20:33 <Legionnaire> oO
20:33 <Legionnaire> Oo
20:33  * Legionnaire waves hello
20:34 <MrBougo> hayhay
20:34 <Legionnaire> BOUGO!!
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20:34 <Legionnaire> bonjour! ca va?
20:34 <MrBougo> WHEREWHERE?
20:34 <MrBougo> super!
20:34 <Legionnaire> =D
20:34 <MrBougo> et toi?
20:34 <Legionnaire> i have not seen you online in ages
20:34 <Legionnaire> "bof"
20:34 <Legionnaire> =)
20:34 <MrBougo> online here or on arma?
20:34 <Legionnaire> tres bien!
20:34 <Legionnaire> arma
20:35 <Legionnaire> i never go on irc =S
20:35 <MrBougo> i never play arma =S
20:35 <MrBougo> yay! synced lines!
20:35 <MrBougo> i'm in nexuiz now
20:36 <MrBougo> but i'm still connecting here, because arma people are nice :D
20:36 <Legionnaire> =( it has been a very long time since you have
20:36 <Legionnaire> =D
20:36 <Legionnaire> like me? oO
20:36 <Legionnaire> Oo
20:36 <MrBougo> wee!
20:36  * MrBougo plays nexuiz
20:36 <Legionnaire> what is nexuiz?
20:36 <MrBougo> no more arcade, more fps
20:36 <Legionnaire> oO
20:36 <Legionnaire> Oo
20:36 <MrBougo> nexuiz, based on darkplaces, based on quake 1
20:36  * Legionnaire loves nail gun!
20:36 <MrBougo> darkplaces == opensource engine based on quake 1
20:37 <Legionnaire> oO
20:37 <Legionnaire> Oo
20:37 <MrBougo> but it looks better than Q1
20:37 <Legionnaire> this is to cleaver for me to understand lol
20:37 <Legionnaire> do you have nail gun?
20:37 <Legionnaire> like on Q1
20:38 <MrBougo> yay!
20:39  * Legionnaire pokes Bougo
20:39 <Legionnaire> what is your name?
20:39 <Legionnaire> francais?
20:39 <Legionnaire> Jaque?
20:39 <MrBougo> ?
20:39 <MrBougo> rofl
20:39 <Legionnaire> Cristophe?
20:39 <Legionnaire> xD
20:39 <MrBougo> Cédric
20:40 <MrBougo> with an accent :o
20:40 <Legionnaire> oO
20:40 <Legionnaire> Oo
20:41 <Legionnaire> It is a norman name
20:41 <Legionnaire> =D
20:42 <Legionnaire> Bougo! i must leave, maybe i will come back some point and have a propper conversation =) <3
20:42 <Legionnaire> bonsoir :x
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20:44 <vinavil> another problem translating. it is hard to differentiate the words ban and kick in italian. in facts the effect is the same, a player gets expelled, just the effect lenght change. i also cannot use the sport (like soccer) correspondents, because a "booking" "ammonizione" doesn't keep the meaning of the action, that is actually an expulsion. i can try tweaking the sense or i can use an ugly "italianization" like: "kickare". what do you s
20:45 <MrBougo> aw
20:45 <MrBougo> your job seems to be complicated
20:45 <madmax> lol
20:45 <vinavil> heh
20:45 <MrBougo> vinavil: i'd look for the italian IRC words
20:45 <MrBougo> there's also kick and ban
20:46 <vinavil> mm
20:46 <vinavil> ok, bougo, join #oops-clan
20:52 <MrBougo> :p
20:52 <vinavil> oh, it use "cacciato"
20:52 <vinavil> mmm
20:52 <vinavil> interesting
21:04 <MrBougo> bye!
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22:33 <madmax> #lastseen gonzap
22:33 <armabot> madmax: Gonzap has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Catfight 40 minutes ago.
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00:03 <cusco> #lasteen madmax
00:03 <armabot> cusco: cusco has last been seen on -|Durka Durka Land|- is 1 year old! Look inside! 20 hours 9 minutes ago.
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00:38 <z-man> if you run away from something, make sure you run into known territory.
00:38 <z-man> otherwise, what you stumble into may very well be worse than what you're running away from.
00:39  * z-man ran away from a pony and straight into a mumak, and without me noticing, my wand of fire was out of charges.
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00:58 <spidey_> z-man, you been playing world of warcraft?
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04:49 <xfroggy> voting system in tron sucks.
04:49 <ct|kyle> lol
04:49 <xfroggy> 4vs1 and the vote rejected.
04:49 <ct|kyle> heh
04:58 <luke-jr> lol
05:00 <ct|kyle> why when i set varpath console_log.txt won't go in that directory
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05:28 <luke-jr> why would it?
05:28 <ct|kyle> lol nm
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06:28 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
06:28 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 63.5°F (10:54 PM CST on November 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising).
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19:00 <Durka_> spidey_: Wilid West AFL Fort now! :P
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19:11 <mkzelda> is trunk busted for regular servers?
19:13 <cusco> for servers with zones
19:13 <mkzelda> doh
19:13 <mkzelda> whats the last good checkout?
19:13 <cusco> i have been paying only on durka durka land
19:13 <cusco> well according to luke-jr is 7293, but I don't think he knows what he is talking about
19:13 <cusco> :P
19:14 <mkzelda> thats the one that checks for FT_Free
19:14 <mkzelda> okay
19:14 <mkzelda> i can fix that, thanks
19:14 <cusco> what is ft_free?
19:14 <mkzelda> old freetype check
19:14 <cusco> fonts?
19:14 <mkzelda> i guess
19:15 <mkzelda> im supposed to be in afl atm so lemme get at this
19:15 <cusco> hmm... I cannot complile it due to some other reason
19:15 <cusco> afl?
19:15 <cusco> ok go on
19:19 <cusco> #what is afl?
19:22 <mkzelda> its like nfl but for armagetron
19:22 <mkzelda> teams play a season to create a rank
19:22 <mkzelda> for playoffs
19:23 <mkzelda> fortress settings
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19:46 <madmax> guru3: aaforums search isn't working, http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1an3.png
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21:48 <Lackadaisical> madmax: how did the match go?
21:49 <madmax> 4 on 1, I attacked once. so, not that good
21:49 <xfroggy> madmax, vs who? utc?
21:49 <madmax> yes
21:49 <xfroggy> lol...
21:50 <madmax> i think i increased my personal speed record though, ~91
21:50 <xfroggy> wee really need some kind of limit
21:50 <Lackadaisical> :D
21:50 <xfroggy> were if the team doesn't show, he is either suspended or something
21:54 <Lackadaisical> why did you only attack once?
21:54 <madmax> what's your name ingame xfroggy?
21:55 <madmax> well, Zop and Luzifer were doing it, me and Durka pretty much suiciding around
21:55 <xfroggy> ~ x ~
21:55 <madmax> oh
21:55 <vinavil> he's n00b!
21:55 <madmax> didn't know
22:45 <MaZuffeR> ct won td 3-2
22:45 <Lackadaisical> how many people were there?
22:45 <Lackadaisical> it looked like ct had less?
22:46 <Lackadaisical> when i was there at the start
22:46 <MaZuffeR> it was 6 vs 6 the last two (?) matches
22:46 <MaZuffeR> it was 3 vs 6 at the beginning
22:48 <Lackadaisical> are you gonna make the playoffs?
22:48 <MaZuffeR> nope
22:49 <Lackadaisical> too bad
22:50 <MaZuffeR> well, i can't say i enjoy playing when my ping fluctuates between 100 and 250
22:50 <madmax> what server was it?
22:50 <MaZuffeR> td, not the servers fault, my connection sucks
22:50 <MaZuffeR> or it's fine on friday and saturday and sucks rest of the week
22:51 <xfroggy> I'm confused who is vinavil ?
22:51 <MaZuffeR> rain
22:51 <xfroggy> I knew that...
22:51  * vinavil is rain
22:51 <xfroggy> well I had an idea ^_^
22:51 <vinavil> hihi
22:52 <xfroggy> next Sunday is the last week :/
22:52 <xfroggy> then playoffs :D
23:01 <vinavil> does meriton still play?
23:01 <Lackadaisical> haven't seen him for months
23:02 <MaZuffeR> me neither, not since january of february
23:02 <MaZuffeR> or*
23:03 <vinavil> :(
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00:45 <cusco> hello
00:45 <cusco> will somebody tell me whats that value you set that makes your bike speed up slowly (or faster) after braking
00:45 <cusco> because it gains speed too fast...
00:45 <cusco> I want to decrease that value
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00:57 <madmax> libervisco: will the armagetron tournament be played throughout several days? are the days set?
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01:05 <Ice_Wewe> can someone help me?
01:05 <Ice_Wewe> I'm trying to install Armagetron on Gentoo and it isn't working
01:05 <Ice_Wewe> checking for FT_Free in -lfreetype... no
01:05 <Ice_Wewe> configure: error: You need the library freetype to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
01:05 <madmax> luke-jr
01:14 <madmax> (he probably knows about it)
01:18 <Ice_Wewe> this isn't armagetronad-live, this is armagetronad
01:18 <Ice_Wewe> and I've already read his forum posts about it...
01:30 <cusco> ust today I saw mkzelda saying he could go arround that
01:31 <cusco> isn't there a configure option to leave it out?
01:33 <cusco> Ice_Wewe: me, debian user, have the package libfreetype6-dev installed
01:33 <cusco> do you have /usr/bin/freetype-config ?
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01:34 <cusco> or the command freetype-config
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01:57 <Ice_Wewe> cusco: yup
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02:02 <luke-jr> cusco: you can't compile 7293?
02:03 <luke-jr> Ice_Wewe: odd
02:05 <luke-jr> did 0.3.0 use FTGL?
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02:41 <LDS_Trooper> luke-jr, ?
02:42 <luke-jr> ⁇
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03:26 <Ice_Wewe> luke-jr: yes
03:27 <Ice_Wewe> it does use FTGL, and I've compiled ftgl with freetype and it still doesn't work
03:27 <Ice_Wewe> so I'm at a loss
03:31 <luke-jr> Ice_Wewe: using the ebuild?
03:33 <luke-jr> wonderful
03:33 <luke-jr> so 0.3.0 doesn't work on Gentoo anymore
03:33 <luke-jr> yet another reason to mark 0.3.1
03:59  * GodTodd snickers.
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13:47 <vinavil> Anybody can explain me these two lines?Recived:  41524 bytes in 180 packets
13:49 <vinavil> Anybody can explain me these two lines? (sorry hit the wrong key before)
13:49 <vinavil> Sent: 10234 bytes in 226 packets (213.125 bytes/s)
13:49 <vinavil> Recived: 41524 bytes in 180 packets (864.746 bytes/s)
13:50 <vinavil> what are the bytes inside the parenthesis?
13:55 <luke-jr> ……….
13:57 <vinavil> .........
13:57 <vinavil> so i cannot know what are those bytes
13:59 <vinavil> how should i translate it? like "Sent: 10234 bytes in 226 packets ( also there are 213.125 bytes/s, but it is actually obscure what they refer to)
13:59 <luke-jr> 10234 / seconds = 213.125
14:00 <luke-jr> the round was 48 seconds long
14:00 <luke-jr> 10234 bytes over 48 seconds is 213.125 bytes/sec
14:01 <vinavil> mmm
14:02 <vinavil> oh, that point! i had forgot that you use . instead of , in numbers
14:03 <vinavil> thx luke
14:03 <luke-jr> lolol
14:03 <luke-jr> we use ,
14:03 <luke-jr> to seperate multiples of 1,000
14:03 <luke-jr> ;)
14:07 <vinavil> hehe, there we use  this 1˙000
14:08 <luke-jr> wtf is that
14:08 <luke-jr> I can barely see it
14:08 <vinavil> lol, we use it only rarely in hand writing
14:09 <vinavil> it doesn't exist in computers
14:09 <luke-jr> …
14:09 <luke-jr> you just put it there
14:09 <luke-jr> of course it exists
14:09 <vinavil> yes, but what i put there is a chinese symbol, lol
14:10 <luke-jr> o
14:11 <vinavil> anyway the problem is that we more likely read 1.000 as 1000
14:11 <vinavil> but whatever
14:12 <luke-jr> that's messed up :D
14:12 <vinavil> heh
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14:15 <luke-jr> [CH]DarkStar: wb
14:15 <[CH]DarkStar> thnx
14:15 <luke-jr> [CH]DarkStar: not Xpert anymore?
14:15 <[CH]DarkStar> not really
14:15 <luke-jr> heh
14:16 <[CH]DarkStar> well i still am an expert in certain fields :P
14:16 <luke-jr> what's CH?
14:16 <[CH]DarkStar> confoederatio helvetica
14:16 <[CH]DarkStar> switzerland :>
14:17 <luke-jr> wtf?
14:18 <[CH]DarkStar> didn't have a better idea when registering and DarkStar was already taken
14:18 <[CH]DarkStar> guru3: g'day
14:19 <guru3> hey thar DS
14:19 <[CH]DarkStar> guru3: i've got my desktop put back together now :P
14:19 <guru3> good
14:20 <luke-jr> [CH]DarkStar: you had Xpert registered O.o
14:21 <[CH]DarkStar> yeah, but i 4got the password :P
14:21 <[CH]DarkStar> and i can't be bothered to ask a staffer or whatever as that [xpert] story is kinda over anyway
14:21 <luke-jr> lol
14:22 <[CH]DarkStar> it was all about making money illegally :P
14:22 <luke-jr> lol
14:23 <[CH]DarkStar> but yeah... i'd be the only one left of the three that there were once... so it's kinda pointless xD
14:25 <guru3> everyone else in jail?
14:26 <[CH]DarkStar> lol no
14:26 <[CH]DarkStar> the others eventually dropped it
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17:13 <MaZuffeR> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/organizing_armagetron_advanced_tournament#comment-11015 Last sentence in first paragraph, doublebinding is more noobfriendly than singlebinding and considered to be "normal"?
17:39 <MrBougo> wtf
17:39 <MrBougo> i'm a singlebinder
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19:38 <madmax> hi
19:39  * spidey pokes madmax in the eye
19:39 <madmax> x_o
19:39 <spidey> see?
19:39 <spidey> =D
19:39 <madmax> well, I see half of it all
19:40 <spidey> lol
19:40 <madmax> :P
19:40 <spidey> i'm almost out of space on my slave drive :<
19:42 <MrBougo> :o
19:42 <madmax> that means it's full of...
19:42 <MrBougo> clean up teh pron
19:42 <MrBougo> madmax: eh
19:42 <spidey> porn goes on my main drive :P
19:42 <MrBougo> you know what "main" means in french?
19:42 <spidey> ?
19:42 <MrBougo> hand
19:43 <MrBougo> D:
19:43 <spidey> lol
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20:21 <madmax> yeah, make the armagetron tournamente with 100 rubber and cycle_delay 0.001! :)
20:23 <MrBougo> :o
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Log from 2007-11-20:
--- Day changed Tue Nov 20 2007
00:21 <cusco> luke-jr: yes I did compile... it works
00:21 <cusco> sorry
00:23 <cusco> hello
00:23 <cusco> does anyone knows that setting
00:23 <cusco> to make the acceleration back to normal speed rise gradually slower
00:24 <cusco> when you brake.... then you accelerate very fast ...
00:25 <luke-jr> #armaconfig speed
00:25 <armabot> luke-jr: CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK. (default: 0.5) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_RISE_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_CUSTOM_RISE. (default: 0.4) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED: Speed the custom camera turns with (default: 4) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED_180: Extra factor to (8 more messages)
00:25 <luke-jr> #more
00:25 <madmax> cycle_speed_decay_below?
00:25 <armabot> luke-jr: CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED after a quick reverse (default: 4) || CAMERA_IN_TURN_SPEED: Speed the internal camera turns with (default: 40) || CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_BACK_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_BACK. (default: 0) || CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_RISE_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to (7 more messages)
00:25 <luke-jr> #armaconfig decay
00:25 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE: Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from above (default: 0.1) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_BELOW: Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from below (default: 5) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_BELOW_OVERRIDE: Block out (1 more message)
00:26 <cusco> hmmm
00:26 <cusco> let me try
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00:36 <cusco> worked perfectly ty madmax
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00:42 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:42 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.1°F (5:47 PM CST on November 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.84 in 976.5 hPa (Rising).
00:43 <cusco> #lastseen cusco
00:43 <armabot> cusco: cusco seems to be on GOD DOES NOT EXISTS - Thank you - (high rubber and high speed) right now.
00:43 <vinavil> dimbi, you here?
00:43 <cusco> hahaha
00:43 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
00:43 <armabot> ghableska: timed out
00:44 <madmax> indeed. where's van?
00:44 <cusco> madmax: tas rico nao falas aos pobres
00:44 <madmax> and where was ghab :P
00:44 <madmax> cusco: lol np :P
00:45 <cusco> is that all sueriourity from being a mac user?
00:45 <luke-jr> madmax:
00:46 <luke-jr> you have no chance to survive make your time
00:46 <madmax> huh?
00:46 <ghableska> :V
00:47 <luke-jr> lol
00:48  * ghableska wants a mac
00:48 <luke-jr> You know what you doing. Move eva, for great justice!
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00:55 <cusco> #wall speed
00:56 <ghableska> #ludicrous speed
00:56 <epsy> cusco, what are you searching for ? o_o
00:56 <cusco> #armaconfig wall speed
00:56 <armabot> cusco: ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_DIST: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 30) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_NEAR: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_SIDEDIST: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_SIZE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0.1) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_LOWER_WALL: If set to 1, walls are lowerd when they block the view and the camera is not moved (default: 1) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_LOWER_WALL_SMART: Like (7 more messages)
00:57 <cusco> when you grind walls... go faster
00:57 <epsy> #crazylate If set to 1, walls are lowerd when they block the view and the camera is not moved
00:57 <armabot> epsy: If the system to 1, walls is lowerd when they block the vision and the camera does not move
00:57 <epsy> #crazylate [insight]
00:57 <armabot> epsy: Couldn't talk to server: [Errno socket error] timed out
00:58 <epsy> meh :(
00:58 <epsy> ok i'm gonna sleep :)
00:58 <cusco> :(
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00:59 <cusco> err
00:59 <ghableska> heh
01:01 <cusco> how do I set teams disabled by default? so people can play
01:01 <cusco> in more than theyr own team
01:01 <cusco> err... with no team
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01:21 <cusco> OK PLAYED FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW
01:21 <cusco> SOoops
01:21 <cusco> so I heard there have been tournaments
01:21 <cusco> oh well
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11:03 <vinavil> from dual 500MHz to dual core 2GHz. from 512MB of ram to 2GB. from 11 years old to new. i do not think i am ready.
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12:44 <cusco> vinavil: youu look lime me
12:44 <cusco> I got a new computer too, upgraded froma pentium 2 233
12:44 <vinavil> cusco: i finally got my mac :D
12:44 <cusco> ah...! thats another level
12:44 <cusco> macbook?
12:45 <vinavil> cusco: it took 5 years of saving. no, mini mac
12:45 <cusco> ah mini
12:45 <cusco> lol damn
14:40 <luke-jr> :o
14:40 <luke-jr> Mac used to be good stuff
14:40 <luke-jr> now it's just overpriced
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15:35 <MaZuffeR> http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/
15:48 <vinavil> a good irc client for mac?
15:55 <luke-jr> MaZuffeR: you're slow
15:55 <MaZuffeR> i know
15:58 <luke-jr> :þ
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18:28 <libervisco> http://www.freedomware-gamefest.com/Freedomware+Gamefest+2007+presents%3A+Armagetron+Advanced
18:50 <luke-jr> libervisco: eh, I'm willing to play, but not willing to watch a forum
18:52 <MrBougo> :o
18:52 <libervisco> FIne, just be here then, and I'll scoop your input and be your informant. :P
18:52 <libervisco> Am I nice or what? :)
18:53 <libervisco> luke-jr, did you register and confirm yet?
18:53 <luke-jr> not confirm cuz it said I had to watch the forum :þ
18:54 <MrBougo> haha
18:55 <libervisco> :D
18:55 <libervisco> Watch me here then. :P
18:55 <libervisco> or go to #libervis on irc.freenode.net
18:56 <MrBougo> he's willing to play, not willing to join a channel
18:56 <MrBougo> D:
18:57 <libervisco> hehe.. well.. then remain here, but let's not make this a rule now. :P
18:57 <MrBougo> j/k heh, he knows what he wants :p
18:58 <libervisco> yeah :P
18:58 <luke-jr> I'm too lazy to login to the site too
18:58 <luke-jr> :D
18:58 <MrBougo> dammit luke, wake up
18:59 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/demo.php
18:59 <luke-jr> >.>
19:00 <MrBougo> oh shoot
19:00 <MrBougo> i opened it again
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19:00 <MrBougo> gtfo Bougo
19:00 <Bougo> sure
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19:02 <luke-jr> wtf
19:04 <MrBougo> eh
19:04 <MrBougo> luke-jr:
19:04 <MrBougo> what with the AI settings
19:04 <luke-jr> what
19:05 <MrBougo> "based on stuff with the program blahblah"
19:05 <MrBougo> what the hell?
19:05 <MrBougo> it's based on the program? wtf
19:05 <luke-jr> duh
19:06 <MrBougo> nice admin though
19:06 <luke-jr> play around with it :D
19:07 <MrBougo> no.
19:07 <MrBougo> i wont buy anything :D
19:08 <luke-jr> pfft
19:09  * luke-jr notes he intentionally wrote the terms of service to allow non-payers to play when there's no potential customers trying it ;p
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19:59 <i2020> hmmmm....
20:00 <i2020> ah... i thought i was alone in here... there you all are... hope you are all well :)
20:16 <luke-jr> O.o
20:17 <deja_vu> hehe
20:17 <deja_vu> hi there :)
20:17 <luke-jr> i2020: you realize you put more on a line here than you do on forums?
20:17 <deja_vu> lol
20:17 <i2020> heheh
20:17 <i2020> do i?
20:17 <i2020> are you sure?
20:21 <luke-jr> well, once at least
20:21 <luke-jr> btw
20:21 <luke-jr> funny joke
20:21 <luke-jr> on the forum
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20:43 <luke-jr> idlers
20:45 <cusco> hello
20:46 <cusco> sup doc?
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21:50 <mkzelda> http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/index.php?module=gamestoplocations
21:50 <mkzelda> nexuiz in kiosks in gamestop
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23:02 <cusco> olha ele!
23:04 <luke-jr> O.o
23:08 <madmax> olha olha :P
23:08 <cusco> :D
23:09 <cusco> bloody hell
23:09 <cusco> my brother has a virtual server running fedora
23:09 <cusco> thats bad enough... now I discovered it is FEDORA CORE 2 (TWO)
23:09 <cusco> ubber-old
23:09 <cusco> lol
23:09 <i2020> ciao
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23:09 <madmax> isn't it on the... 8th version? x_X
23:10 <cusco> yes
23:10 <cusco> :(
23:10  * cusco feels like sending flames to the hosting comapnny
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23:19 <madmax> so MaZuffeR, will Portugal win against Finland? :D
23:20 <MaZuffeR> i think Finland wins and Serbia takes second place in the group ;)
23:20 <MaZuffeR> Finland wins Portugal that is, not the group
23:21 <MaZuffeR> i heard Portugal has like 10 players injured/suspended?
23:23 <madmax> hmm, not sure, haven't been much into it last days...
23:23 <madmax> if the game ends tied will Finland qualify?
23:24 <MaZuffeR> Finland needs to win
23:24 <madmax> oh
23:26 <MaZuffeR> Portugal has 26 points, Finland 23 and Serbia 20, but they have two matches left
23:26 <madmax> well Portugal didn't play very well last game... i hope tomorrow they play better :)
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23:28 <MaZuffeR> Finland played ok on Saturday, but before that we played four 0-0 matches :/
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10:54  * luke-jr snickers at GodTodd
10:59 <luke-jr> zmanuel: btw, aren't those 2 problems you noted with the svn rev merely cosmetics?
11:04  * GodTodd snickers at luke-jr as one would when finding the monkies at the zoo amusing.
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12:51 <MrBougo> i think theres a hidden image in the subversion client's help's background image
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13:06 <luke-jr> …
13:18 <MrBougo> luke-jr: really
13:18 <MrBougo> http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9476/svnse7.png
13:19 <MrBougo> i filled the FFFFFF zone with 000000
13:19 <luke-jr> http://internetstat.us/
13:19 <MrBougo> and the weirdo zone in red
13:19 <MrBougo> uuh luke-jr ?
13:19 <luke-jr> MrBougo: wtf are you going on about?
13:19 <MrBougo> the svn help background image
13:20 <luke-jr> …
13:21 <luke-jr> you are insane
13:24 <MrBougo> yup
13:26 <MrBougo> luke-jr: you can't tell either
13:26 <MrBougo> why on earth are there 4 dots like this
13:26 <luke-jr> …
13:26 <luke-jr> define weirdo zone
13:26 <MrBougo> the stuff i painted in red
13:27 <MrBougo> on the right side part i didnt hilight it
13:27 <luke-jr> to detect trademark violations?
13:27 <MrBougo> uuuh?
13:28 <MrBougo> o right, if you copy it and the dots arent there, you get pwned
13:28 <luke-jr> no
13:28 <luke-jr> if you copy it and use the logo for something but svn
13:29 <MrBougo> eh
13:29 <MrBougo> you could be right
13:29 <MrBougo> but... no
13:29 <MrBougo> definitely not
13:30 <MrBougo> who would use the logo from the help's background image
13:30 <MrBougo> when you can use it from somewhere more obvious
13:38 <manuel_> GAAAAA!
13:38 -!- manuel_ is now known as z-man
13:38 <MrBougo> DONT EAT ME, DONT
13:38 <MrBougo> D:
13:38 <z-man> Some stupid monster just read a scroll that filled the whole level with other monsters
13:38 <MrBougo> uuuh?
13:39 <luke-jr> z-man: O.o
13:39 <MrBougo> what the heck are you talking about
13:39 <z-man> nethack
13:39 <MrBougo> eh
13:39 <MrBougo> looks............ weird?
13:40 <MrBougo> using a gui, or textmode z-man ?
13:40 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nethack_releasing_a_djinni.png
13:41 <MrBougo> after Where's Waldo
13:41 <MrBougo> Where's the Djinni
13:41 <z-man> I admit I'm using the noegnud frontend.
13:41 <luke-jr> people actually play nethack?
13:41 <MrBougo> hehe
13:41 <MrBougo> z-man: good for your eyes
13:41 <luke-jr> hey, it looks like ZZT
13:41 <MrBougo> hahahahahaha wth
13:45 <z-man> nethack is waaaay older than ZZT
13:47 <MrBougo> jeeze
13:47 <MrBougo> you guys are weirdoes
13:47 <z-man> and with noegnud, it doesn't look too bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Noegnud.jpg (note that that picture is done with a silly graphics set)
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13:49 <MrBougo> ehhhh
13:49 <MrBougo> nice indeed
13:49 <MrBougo> kind of......... different :D
13:49 <MrBougo> textmode games are easy to parse i guess :)
13:50 <luke-jr> MrBougo: ZZT was pretty cool back in its day :þ
13:50 <luke-jr> I'm not sure anything recent compares, really
13:50 <MrBougo> hehe
13:50 <luke-jr> other than MegaZeux, of course
13:50 <MrBougo> looks nice indeed
13:50 <luke-jr> but it's hardly recent
13:51 <z-man> More important for the gameplay than the textmode is the tile based gameplay.
13:51 <z-man> that makes it easy to define complex rules of object interactions.
13:53 <luke-jr> of course it does
13:53 <luke-jr> by restricting the definition of "complex" :þ
13:53 <z-man> actually, no.
13:54 <z-man> you're confusing "complex" with "complicated".
13:54 <luke-jr> complex implies complicated
13:54 <z-man> no, the two are orthogonal.
13:55 <z-man> complex rules can be very simple, the complexity comes from the interaction of the rules.
13:55 <luke-jr> 1: a whole made up of complicated or interrelated parts
13:55 <z-man> you're quoting definitions from the wrong realm :)
13:55 <luke-jr> O.o?
13:56 <z-man> in game design, complex means rich gameplay coming from the interaction of rules, not the rules themselves.
13:56 <z-man> sort of synonymous to "emergent gameplay"
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13:59 <luke-jr> O.o
14:00 <luke-jr> z-man: wanna take a look at that recording? ☺
14:01 <z-man> The one with the one second delay? Sure.
14:01 <luke-jr> how can I send the file?
14:01 <luke-jr> it's pretty big even compressed
14:02 <z-man> it's easiest if you just put it on a temporary webserver.
14:02 <z-man> or on the aabeta host where i can scp it from.
14:03 <luke-jr> 7zip ok?
14:03 <z-man> sure.
14:06 <luke-jr> rsync -av hachi.dashjr.org:recording <wherever>
14:06 <luke-jr> includes a diff against 0.2.8 HEAD
14:07 <luke-jr> added another file you might need with the diff
14:08 <luke-jr> ../../src/armagetronad-0.2.8.svn/configure --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-uninstall --enable-multiver=0.2.8 --disable-useradd --disable-etc --disable-initscripts
14:08 <luke-jr> is the exact configure line
14:08 <luke-jr> no special vars are set
14:08 <luke-jr> x86_32
14:08 <luke-jr> gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
14:11 <z-man> I'll see what I can do
14:11 <luke-jr> thanks
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14:13 <z-man> where does the svclog file go?
14:13 <luke-jr> svclog? O.o
14:13 <z-man> svcconfig, sorry.
14:13 <luke-jr> somewhere in datadir
14:14 <luke-jr> tDirectories::Data()
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16:49 <cusco> frikin rules
16:49 <cusco> if people don't like camping there should be one tule in the game to disallow it
16:49 <cusco> I mean.. one option
16:50 <cusco> I like to choose the bigger side to live
16:50 <cusco> and sometimes that is inside
16:50 <cusco> also people are after me and I go on the corner and turn... and they go like its unfair...
16:50 <cusco> BOLLOCKS!
16:50 <cusco> grrrrrrrr
16:52 <luke-jr> lol
16:52 <luke-jr> it's cuz they suck
16:53 <luke-jr> you're supposed to turn INTO their wall
16:54 <cusco> its like people only want to stay outside so tehy think they trapped me..
16:54 <cusco> well I chosen to stay inside because there is more space to live
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16:58 <MrBougo> yay! me found out
16:59 <cusco> what
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17:04 <MrBougo> stuff about potential energy
17:05 <MrBougo> a had a - that wasnt supposed to be there
17:05 <akira____> ??
17:05 <cusco> ok....
17:05 <akira____> ugh i keep multiplying
17:05  * akira____ kicks his wlan router
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17:51 <z-man> luke-jr: no matter what I do, I always get a timer hickup right in the beginning. Are you sure the code running is from latest 0.2.8? And not, perhaps, 0.2.8.0?
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17:55 <Ill> hi all
17:55 <Ill> does anybody know why armagetron could randomly minimize?
17:56 <cusco> perhaps you get that windows vista restart now or postpone mensage
17:56 <Ill> on windows xp
17:56 <cusco> lol - that happened to me
17:56 <cusco> perhaps you get a xp message that requires your imediate atention
17:57 <Ill> no...nothing on the screen..just the desktop
17:57 <Ill> :|
18:00 <MrBougo> sometimes happens with me too
18:00 <MrBougo> and on nexuiz too
18:00 <MrBougo> prolly an opengl issue
18:01 <Ill> damn
18:02 <MrBougo> Ill: does it happen on fullscreen?
18:02 <MrBougo> i remember having such problems
18:02 <MrBougo> fullscreen minimized, then i wasn't able to make it windowed anymore
18:04 <cusco> it was out of screen?
18:04 <cusco> that hapened to me to
18:04 <cusco> too
18:12 <luke-jr> z-man: branches/0.2.8
18:12 <luke-jr> z-man: that's the same problem I was having
18:13 <luke-jr> Ill: stop using a crappy OS?
18:27 <MrBougo> hehe, fixes
18:27 <MrBougo> fixed*
18:39 <Ill> luke-jr: there was some bug with winamp.....in Ubuntu I had some other problems....anyway cu later
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19:19 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: i am ready to start working on fortress test server again. i am on leopard now. i hope we will be able to use ssh again. otherwise i will install ubuntu in another partition. let me know. kisses
19:20 <luke-jr> O.o
19:58 <cusco> leopard has no ssh?
20:13 <luke-jr> ROFL
20:13 <luke-jr> Leopard sucks from what I hear
20:13 <luke-jr> the Vista of Apple
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20:44 <luke-jr> epsy: O.o
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20:55 <cusco> luke-jr: is it?
20:55 <cusco> I just downloaded it
20:55 <luke-jr> ?
20:55 <cusco> my mother wants to install it over tiger..
20:56 <luke-jr> hope it's not the computer you play Arma on :þ
20:57 <cusco> nah.... why?
20:57 <luke-jr> Arma is one of the things it breaks
20:57 <cusco> awh! too bad
20:57 <cusco> why?
20:57 <luke-jr> or so it would seem from Durka's thread on the forum
20:57 <luke-jr> cuz it's not stable?
20:59 <luke-jr> http://svextra.com/blogs/gmsv/2007/11/microsoft_finds_spokesman_for_windows_switch_back_campaign.html
21:00 <cusco> lol
21:00 <cusco> leopard and vista more alike than you might think
21:01 <cusco> I reckon that there is no need for leopart nor for vista
21:01 <cusco> it was good the way it was
21:01 <akira_> http://www.biteycastle.com/waterlollies.html
21:01 <cusco> thing is ... you just make something new to seel and gain proffit
21:02 <cusco> akira_: nice lol
21:02 <cusco> those look like thos bean plants that SuperMario has to climb to get to the end of the level :P
21:02 <akira_> its way more
21:02 <akira_> thats just the preloader pic
21:02 <akira_> :P
21:02 <akira_> click on play once itsfinished
21:02 <cusco> ah...
21:02 <cusco> lol
21:03 <cusco> hard to read lettertype
21:03 <akira_> enjoy :)
21:04 <akira_> best flash animation maker on the world :)
21:04 <akira_> creator*
21:04 <luke-jr> akira_: Flash sucks
21:05 <akira_> true
21:05 <akira_> but i enjoy his creations nevertheless :)
21:05 <cusco> can be shocked in the mouth
21:06 <cusco> woa big system requirements
21:06 <cusco> my computrer is not good enough
21:06 <cusco> I read the pages
21:06 <cusco> anything else to it?
21:06 <akira_> o
21:06 <akira_> no it should be some animation movie :)
21:07 <cusco> ?
21:07 <cusco> like green thingies moving
21:07 <akira_> err
21:07 <akira_> well something is wrong then :P
21:07 <cusco> ahh
21:07 <cusco> nevermind
21:07 <cusco> I rightcliecked and press play
21:15 <cusco> that was not too bad
21:16 <cusco> he just trew them up
21:24 <akira_> hehe
21:53  * GodTodd snickers.
22:10  * luke-jr snickers at GodTodd
22:12  * GodTodd farts at luke-jr.
22:12  * luke-jr dies
22:12  * GodTodd can only hope.
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23:09 <Cid06> rain ?
23:09 <Cid06> where are you?
23:10 <vinavil> im here
23:10 <vinavil> +sorry, i was looking for you in afl
23:12 <vinavil> luke-jr: i didn't say it doesn't have. i just don't know.
23:13 <Cid06> i canoot joi,t :/
23:13 <vinavil> Cid06: heyhoo?
23:13 <Cid06> joint*
23:13 <vinavil> oki
23:13 <cusco> you cannot smoke joints
23:13 <Cid06> so
23:13 <Cid06> <hahah
23:13 <Cid06> <no i can
23:13 <Cid06> :>
23:13 <cusco> no you can't
23:14 <cusco> I don't let you
23:14 <Cid06> lawl
23:14 <vinavil> cid, dont you recive my pm?
23:14 <Cid06> so.
23:14 <Cid06> so...
23:14 <Cid06> oh yes
23:14 <cusco> 8-)
23:14 <Cid06> same shit
23:18 <vinavil> cid, im writing there, but you dont seem to be reading. are you?
23:19 <vinavil> maybe you didn't get the pm window
23:19 <vinavil> mmm...
23:20 <Cid06> i'm pn mac
23:20 <Cid06> <on
23:20 <Cid06> vina
23:20 <vinavil> me too, so?
23:20 <Cid06> ?
23:20 <vinavil> dont you get private messages?
23:20 <Cid06> no
23:21 <vinavil> o_O
23:21 <Cid06> usually idon't use this irc
23:21 <vinavil> ah
23:21 <Cid06> only with epsy for  tron
23:21 <vinavil> can select channel?
23:21 <Cid06> i think so
23:21 <vinavil> select #oops-clan
23:22 <Cid06> ok wait
23:23 <Cid06> ok
23:23 <madmax> vinavil: unregistered users on freenode can't receive PMs
23:24 <Cid06> so we can't have a private chat
23:24 <vinavil> i thought they couldnt start a pm, not that they couldnt answer
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23:25 <Cid06> don't you hav msn vina?
23:25 <Cid06> it's more simple
23:25 <vinavil> lol
23:25 <Cid06> :>
23:25 <vinavil> actually not. maybe tomorrow
23:25 <Cid06> ha
23:26 <Cid06> download adium
23:26 <Cid06> better for mac
23:26 <vinavil> i have already
23:26 <Cid06> kool me too
23:26 <Cid06> <so
23:26 <madmax> hmm: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg
23:27 <vinavil> so, join #oops-clan as you joined #armagetron
23:28 <epsy> utilise /join #oops-clan
23:28 <cusco> /query vinavil
23:28 <cusco> or that
23:29 <epsy> O_o o_O O_o o_O
23:29 <vinavil> everybody is with you dimbi, come on
23:29 <Cid06> lol
23:29 <cusco> err /quote join #oops-clan  worked here
23:29 <Cid06> doesn't work this shit
23:29 <epsy> <epsy> utilise /join #oops-clan
23:29 <cusco> should worke everywere
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00:54 <cusco> vinavil: hello
00:55 <cusco> irssi rocks
00:55 <vinavil> it is the first irc client i have used
00:56 <P4> cusco: ?
00:57 <cusco> P4: hello
00:57 <cusco> vinavil: what, irssi?
00:58 <vinavil> cusco: yes, irssi
00:58 <cusco> wanna now? me was ircle
00:58 <cusco> and first script was acidjazz
00:59 <vinavil> im on colloquy now. it seems ok
01:00 <cusco> there is irssi for macs x
01:01 <vinavil> really'
01:01 <vinavil> ?
01:01 <cusco> -_-
01:02 <cusco> even if there wasn't, there is the fink project
01:03 <vinavil> sorry, im just new. second day :)
01:04 <cusco> ouch!
01:04 <cusco> apple has good products
01:04 <cusco> its a shame they're so expensive
01:04 <cusco> gotta go now! bye
01:04 <vinavil> cu
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03:21 <liberfiasco> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/chart_of_registered_and_confirmed_participants_in_gamefest
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16:22 <MrBougo> dammit, i hate them
16:22 <MrBougo> fucking protons
16:23 <GodTodd> things'd fall apart mighty fast without 'em
16:24 <MrBougo> true
16:24 <MrBougo> but why the hell didnt my physics teacher use freaking neutrons instead
16:24 <MrBougo> dammit
16:24 <MrBougo> we had a test
16:25 <MrBougo> about momentum
16:25 <MrBougo> and he put electrostatics in it
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16:27 <MrBougo> i had not enough time to think about this exercise which involved two protons
16:27 <MrBougo> "colliding" as he dais
16:27 <MrBougo> said*
16:27 <MrBougo> HOW ON EARTH CAN TWO PROTONS COLLIDE WITHOUT TOUCHING EACHOTHER
16:27 <MrBougo> fluck
16:28 <luke-jr> …
16:28 <MrBougo> got the answer, luke-jr ?
16:29 <luke-jr> for extremely large definitions of "collide"?
16:29 <deja_vu> hehe
16:29 <luke-jr> it's like how 2+2=5
16:29 <luke-jr> for very large values of
16:29 <luke-jr> 2
16:29 <MrBougo> err
16:29 <luke-jr> lol
16:29 <MrBougo> he said that the protons collided, without touching eachother
16:29 <luke-jr> ok
16:30 <luke-jr> maybe "collide" means they had some effect
16:30 <MrBougo> i guess that's what he meant
16:30 <MrBougo> but it confused me for a minute :o
16:33 <MrBougo> ok, i was right, the kinetic energy wasnt constant
16:34 <MrBougo> and that was so obvious btw
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17:40 <GodTodd> #later tell MrBougo protons "collide" without touching because they have the same charge.  think of it magnetically. if you want a "perfectly" elastic collision between, for instance, two carts on a track you can put opposite magnets in each one and when the fields collide they will repel each other which is a collision.  in this way, kinetic energy is conserved rather than being lost to heat, sound, etc.
17:40 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
17:42 <deja_vu> hm.. some kinetic energy would probably still get lost due to accelerating charges.. ;)
18:05 <zmanuel> GAAA, that shopkeeper only sold me cursed stuff!
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18:06 <MrBougo> GodTodd: but... how can kinetic energy be conserved
18:06 <MrBougo> let's say that it's unidimensional
18:06 <MrBougo> w e have two carts with the magnets
18:09 <MrBougo> they both progress (cant find the word)
18:09 <MrBougo> dammit
18:11 <MrBougo> GodTodd: help me!
18:11 <MrBougo> how can you say that
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18:11 <MrBougo> ....................
18:11 <MrBougo> luke-jr:
18:11 <MrBougo> help me
18:11 <MrBougo> my english is poor
18:11 <MrBougo> how can i say that
18:11 <MrBougo> the two carts go like....
18:12 <Sticky_> shit off a shovel
18:12 <MrBougo> |__| ---->     <---- |__|
18:12 <MrBougo> they go like that
18:12 <MrBougo> gah
18:12 <Sticky_> collide?
18:12 <MrBougo> neh
18:12 <MrBougo> the movement
18:12 <Sticky_> towards?
18:12 <MrBougo> before they collide
18:12 <Sticky_> approach
18:12 <MrBougo> and in a sentence?
18:12 <MrBougo> :o
18:13 <Sticky_> the two cards move towards each other
18:13 <Sticky_> carts even
18:13 <MrBougo> :o thank you
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18:13 <MrBougo> works with cards too :o
18:13 <MrBougo> toddKitchen_
18:13 <MrBougo> so the two carts move towards each other (ty Sticky_), but because of the magnets they lose speed
18:14 <Sticky_> ok
18:14 <MrBougo> so how can the kinetic energy stay the same all the time
18:14 <MrBougo> it's converted in magnetic potential energy
18:15 <MrBougo> "when the fields collide" => aren't these just infinite?
18:15 <Sticky_> hmm too physicsy for me
18:15 <MrBougo> :)
18:16 <zmanuel> yep, the fields have infinite extension, sort of.
18:16 <MrBougo> sort of, because they're very very weak after a certain distance
18:16 <zmanuel> you can imagine the proton-proton collision to be mediated by the exchange of a photon.
18:16 <Sticky_> express it using electronics and i may have a chance
18:16 <MrBougo> errr i'm no talking about nuclear physics :p
18:16 <MrBougo> that's just a mechanics problem zmanuel
18:16 <MrBougo> hehe Sticky_
18:17 <zmanuel> same on a macroscopic scale ;) just imagine lots of more photons.
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18:17 <MrBougo> meh i didn't talk about photons :o
18:17 <zmanuel> but protons.
18:17 <MrBougo> that's just... two positive bodies with a mass, full stop :)
18:18 <zmanuel> ok, then, Do you understand newtonian gravity?
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18:19  * z-man puts on physics instructor hat
18:19 <MrBougo> eek
18:19 <luke-jr> uhoh
18:19 <MrBougo> we could neglect newtonian gravity here
18:20 <MrBougo> compared to electrical fields it was just tiny
18:20 <z-man> yes, but the interaction between two protons works the same way as the interaction of celestial bodies works, just that the force goes into the opposite direction.
18:20 <MrBougo> of course
18:20 <z-man> anyway, in many cases, you don't have to understand the details of the interaction.
18:21 <z-man> some things can be calculated only using energy and momentum conservation.
18:21 <MrBougo> yep
18:21 <z-man> for example, if two bodies of equal masses interact...
18:21 <z-man> one is initialy at rest, the other moving...
18:21 <MrBougo> that's what's happening
18:22 <z-man> and you know that the initialy resting particle moves into the same direction as the initially moving particle after the interaction...
18:22 <z-man> you know it will also have the same speed and the initialy moving particle will be at rest.
18:23 <z-man> no other way to keep both energy and momentum conserved.
18:23 <MrBougo> okay
18:23 <MrBougo> um, momentum is always conserved in such a case, isn't it?
18:23 <z-man> and in every single case, the two particles will be moving perpendicular to each other after the interaction.
18:24 <z-man> yes, momentum and energy are always conserved globaly.
18:24 <z-man> sometimes, there is an "absorber" in place, for example if one particle is fixed relative to the earth.
18:24 <MrBougo> oh, what about that perpendicularity?
18:25 <z-man> the perpendicularity is just one of the curious things you can prove :)
18:25 <z-man> the energy of two particles is proportional to the sum of the squares of their momenta.
18:26 <z-man> and the total momentum is just the vector sum of the momenta.
18:27 <z-man> so momentum conservation implies that the vector sum of the particles after the interaction is equal to the initial momentum of the incoming particle.
18:27 <MrBougo> yup
18:27 <z-man> and energy conservation mandates that the sum of the squares of the momenta after the interaction is equal to the square of the initial momentum...
18:28 <z-man> and that is equal to the square of the sum of the momenta after the collision.
18:28 <z-man> so the momenta after the collision are two vectors whose squares summed equal their sum squared.
18:28 <MrBougo> oh right, that's just pythagoras
18:28 <z-man> and vectors with this property are always perpendicular, right, pythagoras :)
18:29 <MrBougo> brb
18:29 <MrBougo> thank you z-man :)
18:29 <z-man> np
18:29 <z-man> back into the Dungeon of Doom
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19:06 <libervisco> AA forums are often inaccessible..
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19:32 <MrBougo> z-man: that's supposing that the interaction will end some day, isn't it?
19:32 <z-man> right.
19:33 <MrBougo> good
19:33 <MrBougo> i can't believe this... i didnt think of this
19:34 <MrBougo> yeaa... aight... no potential energy if that ever happened, so full kinetic...
19:34 <MrBougo> but... wait
19:34 <MrBougo> let's consider the starting situation, the two particles not so far from eachother, one going <kind of> towards the other
19:35 <MrBougo> there's potential energy in that initial situation
19:35 <spidey> happy thanksgiving nubs =D
19:36 <vinavil> no sound in 0.3? or it is just mac version?
19:36 <xfroggy> Happy Turkey Day guys!!! :-D
19:36 <vinavil> lol
19:37 <xfroggy> Happy pizza day, vinavil? :D
19:37 <vinavil> noy yet, i'll suggest it :D
19:37 <MrBougo> FROGLEGS FTW
19:37 <xfroggy> then Happy spaghetti & meatballs day! XD
19:38 <xfroggy> hey I tried "D
19:38 <xfroggy> MrBougo, turkey legs today :'(
19:38 <vinavil> i would like you to taste some italian food, i'll cook it for you
19:38 <xfroggy> I still want to hop today :D
19:39 <MrBougo> z-man ? (sry to interrupt anything you're doing)
19:39 <MrBougo> err whatever*
19:39 <xfroggy> vinavil, you cook and send it FedEx overnight :D
19:39 <MrBougo> not anything, whatever*
19:40 <vinavil> xfroggy, FedEx? it may arrive hot...
19:40 <xfroggy> exactly ^^
19:40 <vinavil> hihi
19:40 <xfroggy> or you cooking cold food? lol
19:40 <vinavil> we must do an armagetron international meeting one day
19:40 <vinavil> i'll take care of food
19:41 <MrBougo> hehe
19:41 <MrBougo> i wont come
19:41 <vinavil> and some people from belgium will take care of beer :)
19:41 <xfroggy> LAN party! :D
19:41 <MrBougo> cuz i just suck at english
19:41 <MrBougo> for some reason, i sometimes talk to myself, and i'm kind of fluent
19:41 <vinavil> nah, real party in z-man's house :D
19:41 <MrBougo> but when i talk to someone it just goes crap
19:41 <xfroggy> MrBougo, when you have been, you speak beer language, fuck English :P
19:42 <xfroggy> *when you got beer
19:42 <MrBougo> lol
19:42 <vinavil> nice MrBouge, you will take care of recording everything with a video camera then
19:42  * MrBougo doesnt drink beer
19:42 <MrBougo> wtf vinavil
19:42 <vinavil> lol
19:43 <xfroggy> well we got our designated driver ( MrBougo ) :D
19:43 <vinavil> so you can keep talking with yourself :D
19:43 <MrBougo> wtf, i don't drive either
19:43 <MrBougo> :o
19:43 <MrBougo> stfu about that
19:43 <xfroggy> MrBougo, just make sure you bring the beer then....
19:43 <MrBougo> i should've shut up
19:43 <MrBougo> sure, i'm belgian
19:43 <vinavil> indeed
19:43 <vinavil> i love leffe
19:43 <MrBougo> i wont come though
19:43 <xfroggy> yea that's what makes this part weird u Belgian and you dont drink beer :D
19:44 <vinavil> so just send the beers
19:44 <MrBougo> heh, do belgian babies drink beer and eat fries?
19:44 <z-man> MrBougo: yes, the assumption is that the potential energy before and after the interaction is equal enough so that the difference can be neglected.
19:44 <MrBougo> oh ok
19:44  * xfroggy thinks it will be funny watching MrBougo talking to himself in fluent English :D
19:44 <MrBougo> so if it isn't, i've got to calulate the initial potential energy
19:44 <MrBougo> xfroggy: stfu
19:44 <MrBougo> it's not even fluent
19:45 <xfroggy> MrBougo, :-)
19:45 <MrBougo> but... it's less... laggy?
19:45 <vinavil> he said nothing about the party. so he probably agree to make it at his house
19:46 <MrBougo> stfu
19:46 <MrBougo> :p
19:46 <vinavil> MrBougo, if you keep saying stfu to everybody, i see why you talk with yourself
19:46 <MrBougo> DAMMIT argh
19:46 <MrBougo> ok ima stfu myself
19:46 <vinavil> lol, just relax man
19:46 <xfroggy> hahahahaha
19:46 <xfroggy> :-D
19:47 <xfroggy> MrBougo, we luv ya :D
19:47 <MrBougo> so do i
19:47 <vinavil> we do :D
19:47 <MrBougo> we all agree there
19:47 <MrBougo> i'm so smart, i talk to myself
19:47 <xfroggy> :@)
19:47 <xfroggy> haha :D
19:47 <MrBougo> if i wasnt smart i wouldnt give a sh*t about talking to myself
19:47 <MrBougo> who would talk to his unsmart self
19:48 <xfroggy> yea I'm guessing it's an advantage finding a friend within yourself
19:48 <xfroggy> do you guys argue? :P
19:49 <MrBougo> sure
19:49 <MrBougo> no we don't
19:49 <MrBougo> YES WE DO
19:49 <MrBougo> dammit you're right, we are, atm
19:49 <MrBougo> sigh
19:49 <xfroggy> lol :)
19:50 <MrBougo> HEH he slapped me!
19:50 <xfroggy> O_o
19:51 <xfroggy> MrBougo, make sure you don't have any firearms in the house, so you won't get him pissed off....
19:51 <vinavil> he started hitting instant chat 6 in game and see him now
19:51 <xfroggy> lol
19:51  * xfroggy loads a shotgun
19:51 <MrBougo> what's IC 6 again?
19:52 <xfroggy> ight I"m gonna go 'turkey shopping' ....if anything will be left after a shot...
19:52 <xfroggy> :-D bbl
19:52 <vinavil> bye n00b, take care of yourself
19:52 <MrBougo> have a nice turkey shopping
19:52 <vinavil> and avoid pressing instant chat 6
19:52 <MrBougo> what's IC 6
19:52 <vinavil> lol
19:53 <MrBougo> no, that's IC 4
19:59 <cusco> ello dudes
20:00 <MrBougo> harr
20:05 <vinavil> hello
20:29 <xfroggy> :-D
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20:51 <cusco> :D
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20:54 <|zion|> hi all
20:59 <vinavil> hey zion
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Log from 2007-11-23:
--- Day changed Fri Nov 23 2007
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00:33 <Sticky_> ahh yes happy holidays americans
00:36 <Sticky_> ahh we allied with FUNK then
00:36 <Sticky_> oops wrong channel
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03:19 <spidey> woot woot
03:19 <spidey> 8 days!
03:19 <spidey> well, 7 1/2 days
03:19 <spidey> and i be 18 =D
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08:02 <Your_mom_arma> hmm... is the "stop hammer time" page when editing the wiki part of spam prevention?
08:03  * Your_mom_arma shrugs
08:04  * spidey hugs Your_mom_arma 
08:04 <Your_mom_arma> heh
08:05 <spidey> canadians
08:05 <spidey> can't make whisky
08:05 <spidey> they suck at it.
08:08 <Your_mom_arma> so spidey where's vanhayes dr.joetron and why isn't luci in the channel?
08:10 <spidey> haven't seen hayes
08:10 <spidey> in ages
08:10 <spidey> luci i dunno
08:10 <spidey> joe's on AIM
08:10 <spidey> i'm thinking about going to get banned on more servers on CS:S
08:11 <spidey> i'm almost drunk so i'll mic spam too =D
08:11 <spidey> i'm banned from about 30 servers on cs:s
08:11 <spidey> =/
08:11 <spidey> #weather 38256
08:11 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Dover, TN - LBL, Dover, Tennessee is 37.6°F (1:17 AM CST on November 23, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.35 in 1027.7 hPa (Steady).
08:11 <spidey> 37?
08:11 <spidey> shit
08:11 <spidey> i'm hot
08:11 <spidey> normally i'd be freezing my balls off
08:11 <spidey> =s
08:13 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, i told joe you said he was a big loser
08:13 <spidey> now i'ma play cs:s =p
08:13 <Your_mom_arma> fair enough, wrtlprnft's logs don't lie
08:13 <spidey> LOL
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08:16 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma you haven't seen *our* child
08:17 <Your_mom_arma> "soap opera suspence piano riff" begins to play
08:17  * Your_mom_arma is in shock
08:23 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, tell him
08:23 <spidey> you said he's a loser
08:23 <Your_mom_arma> No that's impossible
08:24 <spidey> Your_mom_arma joe is a big fat loser, he needs to die
08:24 <spidey> spidey Your_mom_arma, that's just wrong...
08:24 <Your_mom_arma> no, that's improbable
08:25 <DrJoeTron> haha
08:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma did you see the futurama movie yet?
08:25 <DrJoeTron> it got leaked
08:25 <DrJoeTron> torrent it today!
08:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:25 <Your_mom_arma> nah, haven't seen it yet
08:26 <Your_mom_arma> spidey: doesn't your irc client have colons to separate irc nicks from text?
08:26 <spidey> no
08:26 <spidey> wel
08:26 <spidey> well
08:26 <spidey> it has a bar
08:26 <spidey> but it doesn't show in the copy/paste
08:26 <Your_mom_arma> (2:33:00 AM) spidey: well
08:27 <spidey> spidey well
08:27 <spidey> there's a bar between
08:27 <spidey> spidey and well
08:27 <Your_mom_arma> crud I've given away my timezone to my enemies
08:27 <spidey> omg
08:28 <spidey> i'm searching the entire east coast for you
08:28 <spidey> so i can kill you
08:28 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma what have you been up to, its been a while
08:28 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you can't talk to my mom without permission
08:29 <Your_mom_arma> not much been busy, I still play arma but with random alias('s?)
08:29 <spidey> tron?
08:29 <spidey> omg that game is still played? =p
08:30 <Your_mom_arma> ya also people in your clan play
08:30 <spidey> wow o.O
08:30 <spidey> why is it
08:30 <spidey> rap sounds better to me when i drink than it does when i don't?
08:30 <spidey> i used to love it, now i hate it O.o
08:30 <Your_mom_arma> fa vtjake? was playing earlier
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08:32 <Your_mom_arma> # armabot and how have you been?
08:32 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Unlikely.
08:34 <spidey> # armabot do you suck?
08:34 <armabot> spidey: Yes!
08:34 <spidey> owned.
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09:05 <spidey> #weather 38256
09:05 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 39.4°F (2:10 AM CST on November 23, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Rising).
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13:12 <cusco> morning
13:13 <luke-jr> hi
13:14 <cusco> all good?
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16:17 <freako> rain?
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16:20 <MrBougo> :o
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17:52 <libervisco> How do you record demos in AA?
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17:55 <deja_vu> just start the game with: armagetronad --record FILE
17:55 <libervisco> Thanks deja_vu
17:56 <deja_vu> you could have found out from the manpage ;)
17:59 <luke-jr> libervisco: demos?
17:59 <luke-jr> deja_vu: I don't think we have a manpage…
17:59 <epsy> i don't either :p
17:59 <luke-jr> nope
17:59 <luke-jr> libervisco: recordings are for debugging purposes and HIGHLY platform and version dependant
18:00 <luke-jr> libervisco: a change in compile flags can invalidate them
18:00 <luke-jr> and a recording on the server DISABLES its scorekeeping
18:00 <luke-jr> well, long-term scorekeeping
18:00 <deja_vu> luke-jr: debian has
18:00 <luke-jr> deja_vu: pfft @ debian for being uncooperative and contributing back
18:01 <deja_vu> hehe
18:01 <deja_vu> complain to the maintainer then
18:01 <deja_vu> or just include it
18:01 <luke-jr> this isn't the only thing
18:02 <epsy> libervisco, highrubber isn't a problem itself, it's mostly the 38 rubber thing
18:02 <epsy> *35
18:02 <luke-jr> I think I want to ammend the GPL
18:02 <epsy> this means we can stay facing a wall for like 7 seconds
18:02 <epsy> if it isn't more
18:02 <luke-jr> a license that requires people to send me changes would be nice
18:02 <libervisco> epsy, didn't seem like 7 seconds to me..
18:02 <libervisco> epsy, you propose lessening that a bit?
18:03 <epsy> very max value would be 20
18:03 <deja_vu> luke-jr: and pretty unpractical :P
18:03 <luke-jr> deja_vu: hm?
18:03 <luke-jr> unpractical how?
18:04 <deja_vu> you would get spammed to death?
18:04 <deja_vu> imagine someone making a fork of AA
18:04 <deja_vu> would patches made to that fork have to be send to you? ;)
18:04 <Sticky_> is that a problem?
18:05 <deja_vu> but to whom else
18:05 <luke-jr> with as slow as AA development is, I'd want that
18:05 <deja_vu> hehe
18:05 <luke-jr> but good point
18:05 <libervisco> epsy, I think we should poll everyone on that then
18:05 <luke-jr> I'd want to require that I choose the means of delivery
18:05 <luke-jr> eg, I can decide to receive access to their Svn repo
18:06 <luke-jr> or require them to work in my repo
18:06 <luke-jr> but all this forking is annoying
18:06 <epsy> libervisco, maybe do a poll on gameplay (LMS or Sumo) and on rubber quantity if it's LMS
18:06 <deja_vu> hehe
18:07 <libervisco> I think it's a bit late to change from LMS epsy, but rubber yes..
18:07 <luke-jr> or solofortress, but that might be a bit too new and undevelopeed
18:07 <deja_vu> you could just ask ppl to do that seperately
18:07 <epsy> libervisco, basically, all the ppl who haven't confirmed yet are sumo players
18:07 <epsy> except 2 i've never heard frm :p
18:08 <luke-jr> you might want to decide on a map too
18:08 <luke-jr> :þ
18:08 <epsy> blah
18:09 <epsy> if it's lms we choose the sumo map and if it's sumo we choose the square map ? ;)
18:09 <luke-jr> LOL
18:09  * luke-jr votes Delicious Desserts :þ
18:09 <epsy> fuck off xD
18:10 <epsy> high rubber is already enough weird
18:10 <epsy> :d
18:10 <libervisco> epsy, what map is best with LMS?
18:10 <epsy> the square map
18:10 <luke-jr> libervisco: DD! :þ
18:10 <epsy> it's map_file default value
18:10 <libervisco> ok, should we poll on nuxified or on AA forum?
18:10 <luke-jr> … wtf is someone hitting my hosting servers looking for the resource browser :O
18:11 <epsy> for sumo just 'include examples/cvs_test/sumo_complete.cfg'
18:11 <libervisco> erm.. actually, nuxified would be better, you're all registered :)
18:11 <luke-jr> I forgot my pw :þ
18:11 <luke-jr> probably in my email
18:12  * luke-jr ponders banning Yahoo from indexing Lightfoot
18:12 <epsy> why? it haxx you ?
18:12 <luke-jr> no, it thinks I have the resource repo there
18:12 <luke-jr> it's stupid
18:12 <epsy> or you think you have many visites ?
18:13 <epsy> ( :P )
18:13 <epsy> wtf was on this site ? http://wtwta.freehostia.com/
18:14 <luke-jr> epsy: I forget
18:14 <luke-jr> why
18:15 <epsy> just wondering
18:16 <luke-jr> gimme context and I might remember
18:16 <luke-jr> it looks semi-familiar
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20:31 <gamag> hi
20:31 <luke-jr> hi
20:31 <gamag> can I discuss about open source projects here?
20:31  * luke-jr glances at the topic
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20:58  * GodTodd snickers.
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21:10 <cusco> what is afl?
21:14 <luke-jr> …..
21:14 <cusco> what? I don't know
21:14 <luke-jr> Armagetron Fortress League
21:15 <cusco> ah!
21:15 <cusco> ok
21:15 <cusco> I cannot play tron ...
21:15 <cusco> my lag is always over 500
21:15 <cusco> if Im lucky at bests times of the day it gets to 200
21:15 <luke-jr> wtf
21:15 <cusco> I have got a rubish connection
21:16 <cusco> better than nothing
21:16 <cusco> I moved house... before I had a 20Mbps down and 1Mbps up
21:16 <luke-jr> :O
21:16 <cusco> now Im suposed to have 8Mbps down 512k up...
21:17 <cusco> but its adsl and looks like the exchange point is far away
21:17 <cusco> most of times I can only download at 30K
21:17 <cusco> :(
21:17 <luke-jr> ew
21:18 <cusco> then I use a multi thread downloader... and it may rise
21:18 <cusco> the top I got was 600K at 6.00 in the morning
21:18 <cusco> its really shitty
21:18 <cusco> wanna change?
21:19 <luke-jr> …
21:19 <luke-jr> sounds like bad ISP
21:19 <luke-jr> complain :þ
21:28  * GodTodd snickers.
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21:33  * luke-jr lynches GodTodd
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21:39  * GodTodd snickers.
21:54 <cusco> luke-jr: already did... they say internet speeds may depend on several points and its hadr to be pinned down
21:54 <cusco> it can be viruses running on my computer
21:54 <cusco> can this that that
22:34 <vinavil> any mac user online?
22:38 <luke-jr> we have mac users?
22:38 <luke-jr> I thought we lost them all when Leopard came out
22:40 <cusco> hehe
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Log from 2007-11-24:
--- Day changed Sat Nov 24 2007
00:00 <vinavil> leopard is good what's wrong with it?
00:01 <cusco> arma doesn't run
00:15 <luke-jr> doesn't run well*
00:16  * GodTodd snickers.
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00:42 <zmanuel> Gaaaaa!
00:42 <zmanuel> I'm transformed into a grey dragon, the transformation is bound to end in a few turns (I bet)
00:43 <zmanuel> and some leprechaun read a scroll of create monster and did it wrong or the scroll was cursed
00:43 <luke-jr> …
00:43 <zmanuel> now the whole level is filled with monsters.
00:43 <zmanuel> I'll try to flame a way free to the exit.
00:44 <zmanuel> snif, my poor baby dragons.
00:47 <zmanuel> Great, of course, transformation reversed.
00:47 <zmanuel> at least, that got me some hit points back.
00:49 <zmanuel> Gaa, wand of death is out of charges.
00:49 <zmanuel> hah! escaped through the floor :)
00:55 <luke-jr> zmanuel: want to start a MOO with me?
01:03  * GodTodd snickers.
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01:03 <z-man> no, no time, need to play :)
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01:49 <z-man> Yay, one of my baby dragons survived.
02:00 <vinavil> arma doens't run in leopard? i run it without any problem
02:06 <z-man> We had one report of problems, yes.
02:07 <vinavil> and another of none :)
02:07 <z-man> the crazy screenshot?
02:07 <vinavil> what?
02:08 <z-man> ah, sorry, misread you. I read "and another one"
02:08  * z-man should be in bed.
02:08 <vinavil> no, i meant that you have a user that reportet problems, but also another that didn't get any
02:08 <vinavil> hehe
02:10 <vinavil> also 0.3 is working well. seems also more smooth than 0.2
02:41 <liberfiasco> http://www.nuxified.org/poll/rubber_setting_in_armagetron_advanced_tournament
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04:31 <tramshed> anyone ever compile the dedicated server on bsd?
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11:07 <luke-jr> hm, I wonder if it's only 0.2.8 that has Leopard issues?
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18:23 <MrBougo> k... i have an IDE1 with one master HD
18:23 <MrBougo> gotta puta CDROM and a HD on IDE2
18:23 <MrBougo> which one will be master?
18:23 <MrBougo> i'd say the CDROM
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18:25 <MrBougo> aaah ok, its ok
18:25 <MrBougo> dammit, how complicated it was to transfer stuff from that SCSI disk
18:26 <MrBougo> didnt find good drivers (old adapter), didnf find a compatible MB, didnt find anything to transfer to my laptop
18:26 <MrBougo> grr
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21:32 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:32 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 33.3°F (2:37 PM CST on November 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Steady).
21:32 <ghableska> >.<
21:37 <MrBougo> #ghab
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22:25 <luke-jr> MrBougo: GodTodd likes to snicker.
22:26 <MrBougo> ?????
22:30 <xfroggy> oh thats not right
22:30 <xfroggy> #weather 33065
22:30 <armabot> xfroggy: The current temperature in K9PI Coral Springs, FL, Coral Springs, Florida is 75.6°F (4:36 PM EST on November 24, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
22:33 <MrBougo> #weather brussels, belgium
22:33 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in Berg, Kampenhout, Belgium is 43.2°F (10:39 PM CET on November 24, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
22:33 <MrBougo> i wanted brussels
22:33 <MrBougo> #weather belgium, brussels
22:33 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:33 <MrBougo> #weather brussels belgium
22:34 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in Berg, Kampenhout, Belgium is 43.2°F (10:40 PM CET on November 24, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
22:34 <MrBougo> bah
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22:49 <[CH]DarkStar> http://www.lightscontrol.com
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23:14 <epsy>  lol
23:15 <epsy> wondering how many these lights costs him
23:17 <[CH]DarkStar> xD
23:17 <[CH]DarkStar> #weather
23:17 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
23:17 <[CH]DarkStar> #weather häggenschwil
23:18 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
23:18 <[CH]DarkStar> #weather st.gallen
23:18 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: The current temperature in Saint Gallen, Switzerland is 35.6°F (10:40 PM CET on November 24, 2007). Conditions: . Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: (Rising).
23:18 <[CH]DarkStar> how about temperature in C -.-
23:23 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, temp in °C is only shown for results inside USA
23:23 <epsy> note the irony
23:25 <[CH]DarkStar> yeah well
23:25 <[CH]DarkStar> #g 35.6 F in C
23:25 <armabot> blame google for closing their damn API
23:50 <GodTodd> #later tell MrBougo luke-jr likes to be an asshat and eat shit sandwiches :)
23:50 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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00:27  * z-man should get a leash for him one day
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13:39 <luke-jr> z-man: so how goes the plan to migrate aabeta, resource repo, etc somewhere?
13:54 <epsy> luke-jr, could you go any further about this comment: http://www.nuxified.org/topic/demo_recording#comment-11255 ?
13:54 <luke-jr> epsy: sure
13:54 <luke-jr> recordings are too fussy to be usable
13:54 <luke-jr> a change from -O2 to -O1 breaks them
13:55 <epsy> ah
13:55 <luke-jr> so even if you forced everyone to use 0.2.8
13:56 <luke-jr> you still need to run binaries for x86, x86_64, ppc, whatever else people use, Windows, Linux, etc
13:56 <luke-jr> with the various optimizations on Linux
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18:56 <StarGate1855> are any og the guys
18:56 <StarGate1855> meant to be playing us now
18:56 <StarGate1855> here
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20:35 <luke-jr> MICROSOFT: Where do you want to go today? LINUX: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming or what? APPLE: Wherever we are, we like it here.
20:36 <MrBougo> :o
20:36 <freako> :)
20:36 <MrBougo> MICROSOFT: Where do you want to go today? LINUX: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming or what? APPLE: Wherever we are, we like it here. LUKE-JR: I suck.
20:36 <freako> LOL!
20:36 <MrBougo> GodTodd: heh, shit sandwishes, yummy
20:37 <freako> mmmm.....
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23:45 <xfroggy> mkzelda, u there

Log from 2007-11-26:
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00:29 <vinavil> luke-jr: do i have an account for cockpit uploading? i can't remember
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00:40 <z-man> AAARRRRGGGHHHHH.
00:40 <z-man> Cockatrice + Gelatineous Cube + Careless Adventurer = Certain Doom.
00:40 <z-man> The Cube froze me and the Cockatirce turned me to stone.
00:43 <vinavil> is that every night around 0.30 z-man?
00:43 <z-man> That I get myself killed? Sort of. The last two nights I managed to survive.
00:44 <vinavil> i don't want to loose next times :D
00:45 <vinavil> ah, a question, frequent timer hickups on 0.3 has to be considered normal?
00:45 <z-man> No, timer hickups mean the time runs backwards. That should not happen :)
00:45 <z-man> dual core athlon?
00:45 <mkzelda> xfroggy: sup
00:45 <vinavil> nope, intel core 2 duo
00:46 <vinavil> mac mini
00:46 <vinavil> it happened 4 - 5 times tonight
00:46 <vinavil> and only on 0.3 version
00:46 <z-man> Client?
00:46 <vinavil> yep
00:47 <z-man> If so, are there other visual quirks at the times?
00:47 <vinavil> leopard dock?
00:47 <vinavil> im not playing full screen
00:47 <z-man> No, I mean, does the display stutter or something.
00:47 <z-man> the rendering of arma, I mean.
00:48 <vinavil> oh, i get big jumps after the message
00:48 <z-man> and before? does it get stuck for a bit?
00:48 <vinavil> and i likely shut down the game all the times, because became unplayable
00:48 <vinavil> i dont remember, i think only after
00:49 <vinavil> i can try a record if you like
00:49 <z-man> Maybe, yeah, that could be useful.
00:49 <vinavil> ok, brb
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01:04 <vinavil> it seems i can't get it again
01:05 <vinavil> also i noticed during our discussion i got one in 0.2 version
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02:52 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:52 <armabot> pong
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:05 <armabot> pong
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04:12 <Your_mom_arma> there about server think would right should really could still
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04:53 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 36.1°F (9:58 PM CST on November 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Steady).
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05:30 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:30 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Cross Bend Rd & Country Pl Dr, Plano, Texas is 39.7°F (10:36 PM CST on November 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling).
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16:22 <madmax> hi
16:28 <cusco> bling bling
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16:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/SSOAN/polygon/regular/flo-1.aamap.xml: Resource by SSOAN
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17:25 <MrBougo> #ping
17:25 <MrBougo> #ping
17:25 <MrBougo> #ping
17:25 <MrBougo> now this is nice, my connection is frozen :o
17:25 <armabot> pong
17:25 <armabot> pong
17:25 <armabot> pong
17:25 <madmax> lol
17:27 <MrBougo> i guess you guys got my 4 message at the same time
17:30 <MrBougo> eh, Captain Comic
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18:32 <luke-jr> lol
19:25 <zmanuel> Gaa, met an arch-lich on dungeon level 8, experience level 6, with predictable result.
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21:15 <P4> any germans here?
21:19 <deja_vu> why?
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21:22 <P4> nvm
21:23 <P4> 10 yo kid was asking me some things about servers oO
21:23 <deja_vu> hehe
21:23 <P4> 26Nov07 212205 <+P4> ask in #armagetron
21:23 <P4> 26Nov07 212229 <Traveler54> german
21:23 <P4> 26Nov07 212306 <Traveler54> please
21:24 <P4> kicked, banned, killed :P
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00:09 -!- vinavil [n=vinavil@85-18-66-26.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #armagetron
00:35 <luke-jr> vinavil: I'm too lazy
00:35 <luke-jr> sorry
00:40 <vinavil> emm, so?
00:42 <luke-jr> upload it yourself
00:42 <luke-jr> :D
00:42 <vinavil> luke-jr: do i have an account to upload it myself?
00:42 <luke-jr> no clue
00:42 <vinavil> interesting. could you create one for me?
00:43 <luke-jr> too many random people with too many random names
00:43 <vinavil> how can i create one?
00:43 -!- GodTodd [n=TheTruth@pool-71-123-205-72.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
00:43 <luke-jr> tell me your author name
00:43 <vinavil> rain
00:43 <luke-jr> lowercase?
00:43 <vinavil> lowercase
00:43 <luke-jr> you're SURE?
00:44 <vinavil> i am sure
00:44 <luke-jr> ok then
00:44 <luke-jr> PM me a pass
00:45 <luke-jr> now if you ask me where to go to upload, imma get really mad
00:45 <vinavil> i think i know :)
00:47 <luke-jr> good
00:52 <vinavil> is it normal that that page is loading like i had dial-up?
00:54 <luke-jr> you don't?
00:55 <luke-jr> :D
01:01 <vinavil> heh
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/essential-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by rain
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01:38 <DarkChaos> hello
01:39 <DarkChaos> Luke?
01:39 <luke-jr> hi
01:39 <DarkChaos> so
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01:40 <Crazy0> hi
01:40 <luke-jr> so this is the Armagetron chat room
01:40 <Crazy0> ok
01:40 <luke-jr> hi Crazy0
01:40 <Crazy0> does dark know about this?
01:40 <luke-jr> …
01:40 <DarkChaos> about what
01:40 <Crazy0> oh
01:40  * luke-jr points at the user list
01:41 <Crazy0> ?
01:41 <DarkChaos> im here
01:41 <DarkChaos> he means
01:41 <Crazy0> oh
01:41 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:41 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
01:41  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:41 <luke-jr> x.x
01:41 <Crazy0> should we exit arma?
01:42 <luke-jr> wtf do I care
01:42 <DarkChaos> lol
01:42 <Crazy0> also y do i have a 0 in my name?
01:43 <Crazy0> hello?
01:43 <DarkChaos> hola
01:43 <Crazy0> not much chatting here....
01:43 <luke-jr> Crazy0: you put it there?
01:43 <Crazy0> more chatting in a game then a chatroom....
01:44 <luke-jr> Actually, it's cuz the name Crazy was already taken
01:44 <Crazy0> =o
01:44 <Crazy0> by?
01:44 <luke-jr> someone in another room
01:44 <cusco> pong
01:44 <Crazy0> ok
01:44 <Crazy0> im new to this kind of chat so...sry=(
01:44 <luke-jr> P4: …
01:44 <cusco> lol
01:45 <P4> … ;)
01:45 <cusco> this is better dude! msn doens't have channels
01:45 <cusco> :P
01:45 <P4> hi luke
01:45 <luke-jr> MSN sucks
01:45 <luke-jr> hi p4
01:45 <P4> lucky luke :}
01:45 <DarkChaos> msn does suck
01:45 <luke-jr> yeah, I got 2 pongs for the price of one
01:45 <cusco> yea we know luke-jr what is that thingie signed on saying: luke-jr?
01:45 <Crazy0> i use msn to chat to my gf
01:45 <Crazy0> s=P
01:45 <cusco> Crazy0: I use irc to chat to mine :P
01:45 <luke-jr> Crazy0 is too young to have a gf
01:46 <P4> the 2nd onw was the ctcp pong not ctcpreply pong :} so you should reply with sth :P
01:46 <cusco> hahaha
01:46 <Crazy0> im too young too have a gf?wtf
01:46 <luke-jr> lol
01:46 <DarkChaos> brb ima re open my browser
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01:46 <Crazy0> and whats with the brown text?
01:46 <cusco> luke-jr: what u talking about? Crazy0 lost his virginity before his own father did!!!!
01:47 <luke-jr> I'm sure
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01:47 <DarkChaos> k back
01:47 <Crazy0> ?
01:47 <Crazy0> wb
01:47  * cusco testing
01:47 <luke-jr> Crazy0 is like 9 years old
01:47 <luke-jr> :D
01:47 <Crazy0> ?
01:47 <DarkChaos> ah
01:47 <Crazy0> im 13
01:47 <cusco> lol
01:47 <luke-jr> :þ
01:47 <DarkChaos> r u sure?
01:47 <luke-jr> close enough
01:47 <Crazy0> 14 soon very very soon....
01:47 <luke-jr> lil kid
01:48 <Crazy0> ??
01:48 <Crazy0> >=(
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01:48 <luke-jr> LOL
01:48 <DarkChaos> :P
01:48 <luke-jr> LinuxAnbu: O.o
01:48 <LinuxAnbu> Yes
01:48 <DarkChaos> o.O
01:48 <luke-jr> a 3rd n00b
01:48 <LinuxAnbu> huh?
01:48 <Crazy0> you meen dd admin?=P
01:48 <LinuxAnbu> Yep
01:48 <DarkChaos> whos n00b #1 and 2
01:48 <Crazy0> i fail speel class
01:49 <luke-jr> DarkChaos: you and Crazy0
01:49 <DarkChaos> aight sweet
01:49 <Crazy0> you meen dd admin?=P
01:49 <luke-jr> or anyone except guru3 and z-man really
01:49 <DarkChaos> im #1 ni**as
01:49 <Crazy0> lukes a n00b
01:49 <luke-jr> LinuxAnbu: you a kid too?
01:49 <luke-jr> Crazy0 and DarkChaos are :þ
01:50 <DarkChaos> Anbu is PMSing
01:50 <Crazy0> is this conversation going anywhere?
01:50 <DarkChaos> excuse him
01:50 <luke-jr> lol
01:50 <LinuxAnbu> DarkChaos is a fag. Excuse him
01:50 <luke-jr> Crazy0: you really don't like being informed that you're a kid, do you?
01:50 <DarkChaos> lawl
01:51 <Crazy0> so what im the youngest here?
01:51 <luke-jr> y'all make me feel old -.-
01:51 <Crazy0> y how old are you?
01:51 <luke-jr> 22
01:51 <luke-jr> GodTodd should say stuff so I can feel less old
01:51 <LinuxAnbu> lol
01:52 -!- Crazy0 is now known as DD
01:52 <luke-jr> :o
01:52 <DD> ?
01:52 <LinuxAnbu> So, Dark, why am I here?
01:52 <luke-jr> lol
01:52 <LinuxAnbu> I'm trying to design a site -_-
01:52 <DarkChaos> because u wanted in on conversation
01:52 <LinuxAnbu> mo I dodm
01:53 <LinuxAnbu> didn't*
01:53 <luke-jr> …
01:53 <luke-jr> no*
01:53 <DarkChaos> not anymore apparently
01:53 <DarkChaos> then go if u changed your mind -_-
01:53 <luke-jr> nooo
01:53 <LinuxAnbu> Luke, you don't need to be a dick
01:53 <luke-jr> everyone must idle here 24/7
01:53 <DD> ?
01:53 <luke-jr> LinuxAnbu: are you sure?
01:53 <LinuxAnbu> Yes I am
01:53 <luke-jr> you forgot a comma
01:53 <LinuxAnbu> I don't need a comma
01:53 <luke-jr> "Yes, I am."
01:54 -!- DD is now known as luke-jr2
01:54  * luke-jr ponders
01:54 <luke-jr2> =P
01:54 -!- luke-jr2 is now known as Crazy-
01:54 <Crazy-> sry im just really bored
01:55 <luke-jr> board*
01:55 <Crazy-> ?
01:55 <luke-jr> sorry*
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01:55 <LinuxAnbu> actually
01:55 <LinuxAnbu> it's bored
01:55 <luke-jr> hey ghableska
01:55 <luke-jr> LinuxAnbu: I'm teasing him
01:55 <ghableska> hello
01:55 <luke-jr> or confusing him
01:55  * GodTodd snickers at luke trying to correct people with the wrong stuff.
01:55 <luke-jr> not sure which
01:55 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:56 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 36.3°F (6:58 PM CST on November 26, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Rising).
01:56 <luke-jr> ghableska: do you get on IRC just to see what the weather is?
01:56 <Crazy-> i know how to spell simple words
01:56 <ghableska> sometimes :d
01:56 <Crazy-> but not bigger 1's
01:56 <luke-jr> lol
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01:56 <luke-jr> Crazy-: 'one' isn't a big word
01:56 <Crazy-> i fail spelling...
01:56 <Crazy-> fine
01:56 <Crazy-> ones*
01:56 <Crazy-> happy?
01:56 <luke-jr> maybe
01:56  * GodTodd snickers at luke lecturing on aol abbreviations or "smth".
01:57  * luke-jr throws Snickers at GodTodd
01:57 <ghableska> #rules
01:57 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
01:57 <Crazy-> so y did you bring me here?
01:57 <luke-jr> ghableska: that doesn't work when Crazy- really is 8
01:57 <ghableska> haha
01:57  * GodTodd snickers at how luke can be so stupid and survive.
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01:58 <luke-jr> a tor user, eh
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01:59 <CrazyGod> so whats the point of all these people doing nothing that are here?
01:59 <DarkChaos> well ttyl
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01:59 <luke-jr> CrazyGod: once in a while we argue about whether the world is flat or round
01:59 <luke-jr> GodTodd insists it's flat
02:00 <CrazyGod> it's a cube!
02:00 <luke-jr> -.-
02:00  * GodTodd snickers at luke trying to put his backwater beliefs on others.
02:00 <luke-jr> everyone knows its a cylinder
02:00 <CrazyGod> its 4D!
02:01 <CrazyGod> not spelling error
02:01 <luke-jr> 4 GB!
02:01 <CrazyGod> wtf=)
02:01 <luke-jr> I win
02:01 <CrazyGod> 10 pixels
02:01 <luke-jr> what shape are the pixels?
02:01 <CrazyGod> 100dB
02:02 <luke-jr> ok
02:02 <CrazyGod> but really what is the point of here?
02:02 <GodTodd> what is the point of anywhere?
02:02 <CrazyGod> give me a reason i should be here instead of making out with my gf?
02:02 <GodTodd> for her health?
02:02 <luke-jr> making up*
02:03 <CrazyGod> it wasn't a spelling error...=
02:03 <ghableska> GodTodd: no reason, leave now
02:03 <CrazyGod> |
02:03 <GodTodd> ghableska: make me :P
02:03 <ghableska> :p
02:03 <luke-jr> lol
02:03 <CrazyGod> peace monkey dudes
02:04 <CrazyGod> do you even have a gf luke?
02:04  * luke-jr has a wife and 2 kids
02:04 <luke-jr> one of which is sitting on my lap
02:06  * GodTodd just realized that at least one of the people in here is barely older than his oldest son.
02:06 <GodTodd> :/
02:06 <z-man> nethack lesson for today: when reading spellbooks, lock yourself in a room and wear your full combat gear.
02:07 <luke-jr> lol
02:17 <cusco> LOL
02:17 <cusco> never played that
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02:36 <GodTodd> haha....i *love* firefox translations " I try to time QTJambi up and running, but the designer lubricates always with the following error message:"
02:38 <luke-jr> leave QTJambi alone you sicko
02:41 <GodTodd> fuck you, you festering sore on the ass of humanity :)
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03:08 <Jesus8> hello?
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03:32 <CrazyGod> u still here=o
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04:59 <CrazyGod> wow you guys still on?
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09:49 <wireddd> whois twitch
09:49 <wireddd> whoops
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17:38 <epsy> #ping
17:38 <armabot> pong
17:38 <epsy> guru3, ping :/
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17:54 <guru3> epsy: pong
17:54 <epsy> guru3, are the forum's popularity growing up like hell or ?
17:54 <guru3> don't know
17:55 <guru3> i haven't checked there recently
17:55 <epsy> because it starts to seriousely take time to connect :/
17:55 <guru3> could be *omg* we're not on dedicated hosting anymore
17:55 <guru3> because we can't afford that
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18:51 <vinavil> ah! i got it
18:52 <vinavil> zmanuel: i have the recording of timer hickup. where can i send you it?
18:53 <P4> vinavil: can i see that too?
18:53 <vinavil> sure
18:53 <P4> is it aarec or sth else?
18:53 <vinavil> 0.3 rec
18:53 <P4> oh
18:53 <P4> then im not interested :þ
18:53 <vinavil> :)
18:54 <luke-jr> P4: 'aarec'? :þ
18:55 <luke-jr> guru3: you dropped Dreamhost?
18:56 <P4> yes, i used to save recordings as .aarec :þ
18:56 <guru3> no
18:56 <luke-jr> P4: doesn't make them any more compatible ;p
18:56 <P4> yes, but it's more precise name for armarec than just rec ;)
19:11 <vinavil> zmanuel: the forum doesn't let me upload. the file is 2.5MB...
19:11 <vinavil> tell me then where to send
19:13 <luke-jr> vinavil: did you bzip2 it?
19:13 <vinavil> yes, i did
19:13 <luke-jr> :o
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19:47 <P4> maybe try to 7zip :þ it's stronger algorithm
19:47 <P4> or divide it to some slices
19:47 <P4> btw. don't you own any httpd?
19:48 <P4> #armaservers
19:48 <armabot> P4: This data is 24 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10/14), Fortress Café (10/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9/14), Fortress Café (9/32), -|Durka Durka Land|- is 1 year old! Look inside! (8/16), Wild|Fan  next generation (7/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), Norm's Place (7/12), Wild|Fan  next generation (6/16), |FA| Clan Server - Devils Rings! (6/16), -|Durka Durka Land|- is (3 more messages)
20:13 <luke-jr> P4: 7z isn't permitted for forum attachments
20:19  * GodTodd snickers.
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20:21 <P4> ah what a pity ;P
20:24 <luke-jr> GodTodd: Snickers is a proper noun
20:24 <luke-jr> .
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20:30 <GodTodd> luke-jr: you're a moron if you're serious
20:32 <GodTodd> hell...you're a moron anyway :)
20:32  * GodTodd snickers.
20:36  * GodTodd chortles.
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03:04 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:04 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 27.5°F (8:07 PM CST on November 27, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa (Falling).
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07:57 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
07:58 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 35.1°F (2:04 AM EST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising).
08:02 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
08:02 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Cross Bend Rd & Country Pl Dr, Plano, Texas is 49.6°F (1:09 AM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Falling).
08:50 <tramshed> http://www.sadena.com/hh/
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14:21 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
14:21 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Cross Bend Rd & Country Pl Dr, Plano, Texas is 45.9°F (7:27 AM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Falling).
14:23 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
14:23 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Omaha Millard, Nebraska is 33.8°F (7:10 AM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
14:23 <luke-jr> brr
14:33 <tramshed> @weather 49117
14:33 <tramshed> #weather 49117
14:33 <armabot> tramshed: The current temperature in Beacher, 10th/Franklin St, Michigan City, Indiana is 31.3°F (7:39 AM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling).
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15:04 <MrBougo> #weather brussels, belgium
15:04 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in Berg, Kampenhout, Belgium is 43.3°F (3:11 PM CET on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
15:04 <MrBougo> #weather south pole
15:04 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
15:04 <MrBougo> #weather north pole
15:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
15:05 <MrBougo> #weather antartica
15:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Scattered Clouds. High:-23 ° F. / -31 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-27 ° F. / -33 ° C.; Overcast. High:-25 ° F. / -32 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-32 ° F. / -36 ° C.; Overcast. High:-27 ° F. / -33 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-45 ° F. / -43 ° C.;
15:05 <MrBougo> :o
15:05 <MrBougo> #weather kros
15:05 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in Rush City, Minnesota is 24.8°F (7:56 AM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
15:05 <MrBougo> what's kros...
15:06 <MrBougo> #weather bogo
15:06 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
15:06 <MrBougo> k, im out, gotta study for my english exam
15:06 <luke-jr> http://judicial-inc.biz/0.k_Rudd_austalia.htm
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15:13 <madmax> #weather lppt
15:13 <armabot> madmax: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 59.0°F (2:00 PM WET on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
15:15 <cusco> oh!
15:18 <luke-jr> hm, wrong link
15:18 <luke-jr> http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m38638&hd=&size=1&l=e
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15:25 <cusco> http://www.nag.ru/2007/1118/img/ugas/011.jpg
15:25 <cusco> cable in china
15:25 <luke-jr> you mean Russia?
15:28 <cusco> no, I mean china
15:28 <luke-jr> o
15:28 <cusco> need cable?
15:28 <luke-jr> not that kind
15:28 <luke-jr> Cat5e or Cat7, sure
15:29 <cusco> lol
15:29 <cusco> *snip* *snip*
15:29 <cusco> you have cable
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18:36 <deja_vu> can someone please make the chatbot an option? :S
18:37 <deja_vu> or keep it from turning straight into a wall when there's nothing in front :P
18:37 <luke-jr> lol
18:38 <deja_vu> there's some maliciousness coded into it, right? :D
18:40 <cusco> yea probablly, else it be bettern the the top AI :P
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19:33 <madmax> i thought it randomly turned
19:41 <vinavil> how do i solve that timer hickup issue?
19:45 <epsy> vinavil, you're using a double-core cpu ?
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19:47 <vinavil> epsy: yes, i am
19:48 <epsy> might be the cause
19:48 <epsy> it's due to the sysclock not being correctly synced between the 2 cores
19:48 <epsy> what's your cpu?
19:48 <vinavil> intel core 2 duo
19:49 <vinavil> mac mini
19:49 <epsy> there's maybe a fix running on the net
19:49 <vinavil> mmm, no other program gave me problems
19:50 <vinavil> whta should i look for?
19:50 <epsy> i don't really know :\
19:51 <epsy> but a search on the arma forums might help you
19:51 <epsy> i think it's there i read about it
19:51 <vinavil> i found people having the same problem, but no solution
19:52 <epsy> there is one
19:54 <vinavil> in which forum?
19:54 <epsy> in the official ones i think
19:54 <vinavil> i mean, which section
19:54 <epsy> mh, use the search engine
19:59 <vinavil> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/FAQ#ArmagetronAd_is_unplayable_on_my_AMD_Dual_Core_X2_System_.28might_affect_other_Dual_Cores.29
19:59 <vinavil> here it says my cpu should share timer
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22:20 <vinavil> nobody can help me fixing the timer hickup thing?
22:27 <epsy> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;896256
22:27 <epsy> this?
22:46 <vinavil> helpful for mac users
22:47 <epsy> oh
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00:02 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:02 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.5°F (5:07 PM CST on November 28, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.10 in 985.3 hPa (Rising).
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02:41 <xfroggy> wtf
02:42 <xfroggy> who the hell is SherlockHolmess?
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03:59 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
03:59 <armabot> pong
04:55 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: Is it possible to add current round(not necessarily Limit_round but that would be nice as well) to the list of sources for cockpit gauges? ex. Round : 7/10
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14:59 <QUARG> #crazy-tronners
15:01 <eddiefantastic> hi
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18:03 <cusco> bling bling
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18:49 <madmax> vinavil: like the idea on the cockpit file :D
18:51 <vinavil> madmax: thx :D. some suggestion on how to improve? i'm thinking to toggle "running time" because it is helpful when recording for debug.
18:54 <madmax> hm, you mean to disable it during recordings?
18:55 <madmax> because it already shows when recording
18:56 <vinavil> i mean the contrary. actuallly my cockpit hasn't the running time hud. so i was thinking about a key that switch it on when needed
18:57 <madmax> oh
18:59 <madmax> the big numbers are a bit distracting
19:00 <MrBougo> hehe
19:00 <vinavil> i know, but unfortunately i don't have control of that. the size of bargauge affect the current rubber writing too
19:01 <vinavil> well, maybe someone more acknowledged could enlight me about that
19:02 <vinavil> that is the first thing to fix in TODO list about that cockpit
19:02 <madmax> btw, was there there an actual "fix" for the slow glancing on .3? i stopped looking in to it after a bit
19:02 <vinavil> i think the best fix is use and get used
19:02 <vinavil> heh
19:03 <vinavil> i think meriton worked on the glancing system
19:03 <MrBougo> vinavil: how's your italian translation?
19:04 <vinavil> MrBougo: it goes on, but i'm not sure of the style i've used. i'll probably review everything after a first translation
19:09 <madmax> it doesn't really fit on a fortress glancing frenzy if you ask me
19:09 <madmax> but i played with .3 sooome time. eventually came back though
19:10 <vinavil> you mean the time it takes turning the camera or the thing that make it glance "on" the glance?
19:13 <madmax> the time. didnt find that much use on the glance+glance thing. although i liked it fixed the camera if you kept the glance key pressed
19:14 <vinavil> madmax: you may want to read this: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=9171
19:14 <vinavil> ed and lacka give some suggestions
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19:20 <madmax> i've read that post. not sure if i tried those settings...
19:21 <vinavil> :)
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19:25 <vinavil> mmm, i could make a label with current rubber and hide the gauge one.
19:28 <madmax> btw, if it starts in 0.0, how do you know the rubber you can use when you enter a server?
19:28 <vinavil> you know the first time you die :D
19:29 <madmax> lol
19:29 <vinavil> you see i like simple stuff, hehe
19:29 <vinavil> and also i like surprises!
19:29 <vinavil> hihi
19:29 <cusco> actually the server sets all parameters, you can see what is rubber set to
19:29 <madmax> well, it's good for some. i for instance know its either 5 or 0.2
19:29 <cusco> when you join you see all the rubbers being set
19:30 <vinavil> true
19:30 <vinavil> well, normal players could ignore them
19:30 <madmax> that way you'd lose time scrolling up and finding it :-P
19:31 <vinavil> well, you are supposed to die at some point
19:31 <vinavil> even if you are madmax :D
19:32 <cusco> then your gauge could read up server settings and act accordingy
19:36 <vinavil> madmax: where do i put the label? same position but smaller? or maybe inside the gaugebar?
19:37 <madmax> yeah, perhaps on the same position
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19:43 <vinavil> not bad
19:43 <vinavil> madmax: have you got an email?
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21:02 <madmax> #lastseen egg
21:02 <armabot> madmax: the_eggman has last been seen on Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) 14 hours 50 minutes ago.
21:02 <madmax> #lastseen eggcozy
21:02 <vinavil> lol
21:02 <armabot> madmax: kod|eggcozy has last been seen on ¦w¦-Fortress.Server 3 days 22 hours 47 minutes ago.
21:03 <vinavil> #lastseen vinavil
21:03 <armabot> vinavil: timed out
21:03 <vinavil> heh
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21:08 <epsy> #tea
21:08 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): ~|DS|~zion
21:09 <vinavil> where is wrtl?
21:13 <xfroggy> vinavil, :D
21:13 <vinavil> xfroggy: americano
21:13 <xfroggy> :)
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21:49 <vinavil> #lastseen °°Hay-lin
21:49 <armabot> vinavil: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
21:49 <vinavil> #lastseen hay-lin
21:49 <armabot> vinavil: timed out
21:49 <vinavil> uff
21:49 <vinavil> #lastseen Hay-lin
21:50 <armabot> vinavil: °¯Hay-Lin has last been seen on  Wild West  =Team Sumo= 1 day 12 hours 23 minutes ago.
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22:57 <vinavil> #lastseen rain
22:58 <armabot> vinavil: rain seems to be on Fortress Café right now.
22:58 <vinavil> #lastseen °rain
22:58 <armabot> vinavil: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
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23:02 <vinavil> betu?
23:02 <Heikikiroshinwa> yes
23:03 <vinavil> do you get my pm?
23:03 <Heikikiroshinwa> yes...
23:04 <vinavil> i mean here
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23:05 <vinavil> betu?
23:05 <Heikikiroshinwa> i answered...
23:06 <vinavil> i got nothing
23:06 <Heikikiroshinwa> ok i'll say it again
23:06 <vinavil> move to oops-clan channel please
23:06 <Heikikiroshinwa> kk...what is it?
23:06 <vinavil> #oops-clan i mean
23:06 <Heikikiroshinwa> kk
23:06 <vinavil> our channel
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02:19 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:19 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 39.2°F (7:22 PM CST on November 29, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Steady).  Winter Storm Watch in effect from Saturday morning through late Saturday night...
02:38 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Cross Bend Rd & Country Pl Dr, Plano, Texas is 46.4°F (7:45 PM CST on November 29, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Steady).
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04:25 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:25 <armabot> pong
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13:19 <madmax> yay, kicked for playing good. that's a first
13:21 <madmax> #sd nixda
13:21 <armabot> madmax: NIXDA.NET - V: Players (3/16): aLive Miike, AyBayBay, BB
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18:05 <spidey_> today
18:05 <spidey_> is
18:05 <spidey_> my
18:05 <spidey_> 18th
18:05 <spidey_> birthday
18:05 <spidey_> woot =)
18:11 <deja_vu> :O
18:11 <deja_vu> grats, spidey_ :)
18:26 <MrBougo> :o
18:26 <MrBougo> SPIDEH!
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19:11 <xfroggy> lmfao, idk how old this is, but it's the first time I saw it lol
19:11 <xfroggy> http://dougbarton.us/images/supercoder.jpg
19:11 <xfroggy> for professional programmers only ^^ :D
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19:33 <MrBougo> :o xfroggy
19:33 <MrBougo> funny :p
19:33 <MrBougo> what about backspace though? :(
19:37 <epsy> it's only intended for professional programmers, MrBougo
19:37 <MrBougo> aw
19:40 <deja_vu> xD
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19:45 <xfroggy> XD
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21:30 <luke-jr> #rules
21:30 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
21:35 <epsy> 0¶1Ý?
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21:57 <luke-jr> http://bash.org/?240849
21:57 <luke-jr> Luci's project :D
22:03 <MrBougo> hahaha
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