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Log from 2007-11-01:
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00:01 <luke-jr> lol
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01:57 <spidey> http://www.dynatos.org/project.html
02:34 <luke-jr> looks pointless
02:45 <[CH]DarkStar> very pointless indeed
02:47 <[CH]DarkStar> it has read only  floppy support xD
02:48 <[CH]DarkStar> 'wow'
02:48 <[CH]DarkStar> i think... dos makes more sense than this xD
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03:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 44.2°F (9:08 PM CDT on October 31, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.27 in 991.1 hPa (Rising).
03:05 <ghableska> D:
03:07 <luke-jr> ghableska: HI
03:07 <luke-jr> ltns
03:07 <luke-jr> where've you been
03:08 <ghableska> here
03:17 <ghableska> http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/guantanamo.mp3
03:19 <spidey> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
03:19 <spidey> ascii starwars anyone?
03:20 <ghableska> old
03:20 <spidey> u
03:37 <ghableska> #night
03:37 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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03:58 <ct|kyle> oi
03:59 <ct|kyle> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/10/200-everex-gree.html
04:04 <Lucifer> kyle!
04:04 <ct|kyle> Lucifer:
04:05 <Lucifer> I was going to start a google doc for lunar surface conditions, got an email address you want to privately pass me?
04:07 <ct|kyle> this is funny
04:07 <ct|kyle> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#Specifications
04:08 <Lucifer> done
04:08 <Lucifer> er, started, and you're invited, anyway
04:09 <ct|kyle> btw that was all nasa said
04:10 <Lucifer> about what?  lunar surface conditions?
04:11 <ct|kyle> temperatures
04:11 <Lucifer> oh, about what they used on previous missions?  :)
04:11 <Lucifer> wikipedia is fun :)
04:12 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: are we going to look for water?
04:13 <Lucifer> we can consider what gear we'll need
04:13 <Lucifer> I was thinking we would want to design modular as much as possible, where we can hook up arbitrary sensors to various ports
04:13 <ct|kyle> yes
04:13 <Lucifer> I'm inclined to think they should remove that bonus, but if it's there I'll be happy to compete for it :)
04:14 <ct|kyle> besides prototype should be very basic. and not have everything
04:15 <ct|kyle> people will look at it and try to clone everything it has. that competition i went to we had people from other teams stand and look at our engine for about 15 minutes
04:16 <luke-jr> does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:18 <Lucifer> yeah, well, we'll be doing it to them too :)
04:19 <Lucifer> except the folks who show up without a prototype, but they're already behind us anyway :)
04:19 <luke-jr> #echo does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:19 <armabot> does Armagetron not use stdin?
04:19 <Lucifer> that's an odd thing for armabot to say
04:19 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work stdin
04:19 <armabot> ♪ stdin is obsolete. ♫
04:21 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i'll go ahead and ask NASA for as much information about the moon.
04:22 <Lucifer> can you get some 3d imagery and/or gis data?  :)
04:22 <Lucifer> I'd like to see the terrain and get an idea what we'll have to go over
04:22 <ct|kyle> http://www.google.com/moon/
04:23 <ct|kyle> that helps a bit
04:23 <Lucifer> yeah, a bit.  It's got elevation :)
04:25 <Lucifer> well, we will be dealing with quite some highs and lows
04:26 <ct|kyle> yes
04:26 <Lucifer> we have to be able to deal with it, to some extent.  The delivery system can promise all day and all night to put us on a plateau, and then fail to do so but still put us down operational
04:26 <Lucifer> at which time we'll have to still execute the mission somehow :)
04:27 <Lucifer> I'd like to know the coefficient of friction between rubber and the moon's surface :)
04:27 <Lucifer> *both coefficients of friction
04:28 <Lucifer> we'll be able to build small-scale simulations of pieces of terrain, but we can't simulate a slope that's 4 kilometers long but changes elevation by 6 kilometers
04:28 <Lucifer> not by building a test area
04:33 <Lucifer> you know, I'll bet that if we put two big wheels on the sides and hang the rest in the middle, we'll be able to deal with any terrain :)
04:33 <Lucifer> maybe put spikes on the axel that can turn outward and dig in when extra friction is needed
04:34 <ct|kyle> hmm that probably would be helpful
04:40 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: looks like the best place to land would be where all the Apollo missions landed. it would ensure artifacts found and we can travel between them easly
04:47 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i don't know why you keep going on about this...can't you see no one's interested? ;)
04:48 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: true i just lost interest for sleep
04:49 <ct|kyle> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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04:51 <Lucifer> haha GodTodd (hi there!)
04:51 <Lucifer> well, I think I have to go screw my wife, bbiab
04:52 <Lucifer> hey, there's a task for someone
04:52 <Lucifer> I need to start keeping track of this shit somehow
04:52 <GodTodd> screwing your wife?
04:57 <luke-jr> lol
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07:32 <luke-jr> wee
07:33  * luke-jr has finished rewriting armagetronad-KAD!
07:34 <luke-jr> now with external bot support and a fifo for the webif ☺
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08:48 <luke-jr> wow… IRC is sure dead tonight
08:50 <MrBougo> indeed
08:50 <MrBougo> i wonder why :/
08:51 <luke-jr> MrBougo: want arma hosting? :D
08:52 <MrBougo> can i run a nexuiz server on it? :D
08:52 <luke-jr> eh, maybe
08:52 <luke-jr> got a link?
08:52 <MrBougo> heh just kiddin, i dont want to pay
08:53 <MrBougo> anyway if you want info
08:58 <cusco> yo
08:59 <luke-jr> hi cusco
08:59 <luke-jr> ltns
08:59 <cusco> wa sup
08:59 <cusco> #what is ltns
08:59 <cusco> #ltns
09:00 <cusco> long time no see!
09:00 <cusco> yea... I mooved house.. to a area wich is not covered by cable
09:00 <cusco> nor phone... (until a week ago)
09:01 <cusco> Im going to find how to disable ruby in configure to compile a 8 month old tron :P
09:01 <cusco> This is Armagetron version 0.3_alpha7210.
09:02 <cusco> we are currently in 7364
09:02 <cusco> comits..
09:02 <cusco> or whatever
09:03 <luke-jr> cusco: do you use Gentoo?
09:03 <cusco> no.. debian
09:03 <luke-jr> oh
09:03 <cusco> :(
09:03 <luke-jr> --disable-ruby, IIRC
09:03 <cusco> long time |I don't see a deb package
09:04 <cusco> yes done it
09:04 <luke-jr> I use Debian on my servers
09:05 <luke-jr> but I always custom compile
09:05 <cusco> I custom compile some stuff, but most I just install the pre compiled binarys
09:06 <luke-jr> well, I meant arma :þ
09:06 <cusco> oh
09:06 <cusco> yes so do I :p
09:06 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :D
09:06 <cusco> (there is no armagetronAD .deb anyway)
09:09 <luke-jr> sure there is
09:09 <luke-jr> :o
09:09  * luke-jr ponders copying them to beta.aa.net
09:10 <cusco> well...
09:10 <cusco> there are manny servers out there
09:10 <cusco> I don't need to host one
09:10 <cusco> well there aren't! :P
09:11 <luke-jr> is in Debian testing
09:11 <luke-jr> Lenny
09:11 <cusco> yes I use testing
09:11 <cusco> us that 0.2.8?
09:11 <cusco> ahhh
09:11 <cusco> armagetronad
09:11 <cusco> thats new for me
09:11 <cusco> I remember filling out a demand for that :P
09:12 <luke-jr> :þ
09:12 <luke-jr> 0.3.0 is in experimental
09:12 <cusco> aw! cool
09:13 <luke-jr> but 0.3.0 is obsolete too :þ
09:14 <cusco> well the current could become obsolete in the next fime minutes too!
09:14 <cusco> I remember seeing armabot shouting every 5 mins
09:15 <cusco> you look happy
09:15 <cusco> what happened?
09:17 <cusco> what's ruby used for anyway?
09:17 <luke-jr> O.o
09:17 <luke-jr> ruby isn't used for anything really
09:18 <cusco> eek, why depending on it then?
09:18 <luke-jr> it's optional
09:19 <cusco> but... whats the option that uses it?
09:19 <cusco> I mean.. what for?
09:19 <luke-jr> nothing
09:19 <luke-jr> in theory, you could write a Ruby script
09:19 <cusco> *_-
09:19 <luke-jr> but I don't think anyone has
09:19 <cusco> ah.. kk
09:19 <luke-jr> except maybe some examples
09:19 <luke-jr> that crash on me
09:19 <cusco> lol
09:19 <luke-jr> trunk/0.3 isn't supposed to be stable tho
09:20 <cusco> je sais
09:20 <luke-jr> ⁇?
09:20 <cusco> oui
09:20 <luke-jr> wtf
09:20 <cusco> french
09:20 <luke-jr> sux
09:20 <cusco> for yes I know
09:20 <luke-jr> :þ
09:20 <cusco> Im going to get kicked a little in tron
09:21 <luke-jr> :þ
09:22 <cusco> oops my nickname is... "root"
09:23 <cusco> and my keys... argh
09:26 <cusco> cool I can still play
09:31 <luke-jr> …
09:49 <MrBougo> rofl
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11:31 <cusco> (the can still play part was after restarting armagetron as my user, and I just noted that I am still a not-that-skilled player) :-)
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18:33 <guru3> Lucifer: you thar?
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18:33 <Lucifer> yessir
18:33 <Lucifer> did that take you more than 3 seconds to write?  ;)
18:33 <guru3> have you considered a project name?
18:33 <guru3> no
18:34 <Lucifer> tossed some around in my head, but not proposed any
18:34 <guru3> i was thinking Trevor.
18:34 <guru3> but that's just me
18:34 <Lucifer> man, the kid in my statics class I was wanting to recruit didn't show up yesterday
18:34 <Lucifer> why Trevor?
18:34 <guru3> Tron + Rover into a word we recognize
18:34 <Lucifer> heh
18:35 <Lucifer> can name a rover that :)
18:35 <Lucifer> I was thinking more like what's in the future?
18:35 <Lucifer> if we finish this thing and get some portion of the prize, we'll have several million dollars to do something with, what do we do?
18:35 <Lucifer> well, at that point we also have a good relationship with someone who has a lunar launch platform, but there's no money in lunar exploration
18:36 <guru3> i was thinking
18:36 <guru3> that this would be interesting
18:36 <Lucifer> anyway, satellites and orbital installations seem to be the ultimate best direction, looking from where we are now
18:36 <guru3> to use with trying to apply some of the engineering i'm learning
18:36 <guru3> even though it's sort of a different area
18:36 <guru3> you know, terrestial construction vs extra terrestial exploration
18:36 <Lucifer> well, to show we're serious to everybody in the industry, we need a pretentious name
18:36 <guru3> they've both got terrestial in it
18:36 <Lucifer> yes, the problems are all the same, all that's different is g :)
18:37 <guru3> and the fact that it's a moving vehicule
18:37 <guru3> rather than a building
18:37 <guru3> there's a slight scale factor here
18:37 <guru3> of several hundred N
18:37 <guru3> or rather
18:37 <Lucifer> well, lateral movement should require the same energy, it's when we have to go up or down that we'll need less energy
18:37 <guru3> probably about 10^4
18:38 <Lucifer> it would be interesting to get some idea of what the differences really are
18:38 <Lucifer> lunar g is roughly 1/6 of terrestrial g
18:39 <Lucifer> that changes a lot of things.  Changes reaction forces, which means lower friction, but then we have less force to overcome going uphill
18:39 <guru3> the difference between designing buildings and designing robots?
18:39 <guru3> well
18:39 <guru3> i can name a few
18:39 <Lucifer> no, the differences between designing buildings and robots on earth vs the moon
18:39 <guru3> in buildings
18:39 <guru3> about all that would change
18:39 <guru3> would be the selfweight of stuctural members
18:39 <guru3> and variable loading
18:40 <Lucifer> we just covered trusses in my statics class :)
18:40 <Lucifer> and frames, and simple machines.  I have to do homework on all that now
18:40 <guru3> neat-o
18:40 <guru3> we're about to go into resolving the forces in the members of statically indeterminate trusses
18:41 <Lucifer> hmm, that's kind of rolled in, since we talked about statically indeterminate situations for rigid bodies already, and now we're doing trusses
18:41 <Lucifer> probably just a case of the material being presented differently, and around christmastime we'll know all the same stuff at the same time :)
18:42 <guru3> so you've got your EI & co?
18:42 <Lucifer> I think friction is next
18:42 <Lucifer> El?
18:42 <guru3> i not l
18:42 <guru3> E = youngs modulus I = second moment of area
18:42 <guru3> helps relate the stiffness and the geometry of your member
18:43 <guru3> so that you can resolve the forces in statically indeterminate situations
18:43 <guru3> or something like that
18:43 <Lucifer> ah, no.  that sounds like something in a materials class
18:43 <Lucifer> I'll look it up, we do have a material unit in this class
18:43 <guru3> well you can't resolve statically indeterminate situations without i don't think
18:43 <Lucifer> we just did the first moment of area on the last test
18:44 <guru3> because like... how else do you know how the stresses in the material transmit
18:44 <Lucifer> aha, I see where you're going with that.  We haven't tried to resolve statically indeterminate situations, we've just tried to identify them
18:44 <guru3> ahhh
18:44 <guru3> yes, degrees of freedom
18:45 <Lucifer> it doesn't look like we're going to resolve them.  This is the first engineering course for me, since engineering physics is just physics with calculus it doesn't count
18:46 <Lucifer> I was wrong, next is beams and cables, and we'll talk about internal forces in members then
18:46 <guru3> cool
18:46 <Lucifer> right now we're treating the truss members as having no mass so we can resolve the pins
18:46 <guru3> have to compare notes everynow and then
18:47 <guru3> so i can see how they do it in the us
18:47 <Lucifer> if we assume that your class is comparable to mine, we have to end up with most of the same information :)
18:48 <Lucifer> but it's possible they've rearranged the whole sequence so that we have to take several successive classes before we're at the same level of knowledge
18:48 <Lucifer> I've noticed that in comparing calculus sequences with other kids in here
18:48 <guru3> i'm not even sure how comparable our courses are
18:48 <guru3> what are you aiming for again?
18:48 <Lucifer> at the end, we've all covered the same stuff and taken the same amount of classes, but along the way we're doing different things
18:48 <guru3> (or have you ever mentioned it?)
18:48 <Lucifer> I'm after aerospace engineering
18:49 <guru3> right, slightly different
18:49 <Lucifer> I'll get an AS in Engineering this spring, hopefully, that I might use to get a job while I'm finishing my BS
18:49 <guru3> i'm guessing you probably won't be doing any geotechnical engineering
18:49 <Lucifer> ah, no.  :)
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18:49 <guru3> and relatively little hydraulics
18:49 <Lucifer> but this kind of project, this rover here, needs a lot of cross-discipline stuff
18:50 <guru3> i'm just not sure of it comes into my field of study
18:50 <guru3> (rather than my hobby field)
18:50 <Lucifer> how much does it matter?  :)  Seems like, from the title anyway, geotechnical engineering is going to be needed to be able to build structures on the moon and mars and shit
18:50 <Lucifer> there's a real problem with how the material is taught all the way around
18:50 <Lucifer> take civil engineering.  Highways and shit, right?
18:51 <guru3> well, we've not really gone in that direction yet
18:51 <Lucifer> Very earth-centric, because we only build "highways and shit" on earth
18:51 <guru3> but vaugely
18:51 <guru3> we're in a very vauge area
18:51 <Lucifer> but the only people who've studied physical situations elsewhere are in aerospace engineering, or theoretical physics
18:52 <guru3> by vauge area
18:52 <Lucifer> so your civil engineer on the moon is going to have to either be exceptionally flexible, or go back to school to take classes outside of his field to get the level of thinking he needs
18:52 <guru3> i meant in my study, we're only just getting to the most basic of applications
18:52 <Lucifer> where is headed in the long term?
18:52 <Lucifer> this rover could take several years to complete, and we might all have graduated before it's done :)
18:52 <guru3> hmm
18:53 <guru3> that's a good question
18:53 <guru3> definetely structural engineering will be covered
18:53 <guru3> and water/wastewater sewer design sort of stuff, ecological side of civeng
18:53 <Lucifer> that's a basic engineering class, after all :)
18:53 <guru3> geotechnics
18:53 <guru3> for things like foundations
18:54 <Lucifer> man, if we get far enough to go into where this project naturally leads, you'll be a good fit
18:54 <Lucifer> just worry about when/if you'll be able to make a time commitment as the project progresses :)
18:55 <guru3> it's still relatively easy to read what's being posted
18:55 <Lucifer> not asking for one right now, as I said, but there's no way around eventually having to do a dedication check for eerybody
18:55 <guru3> and comment on the stuff
18:55 <guru3> things like the radiation effects on flash memory
18:55 <guru3> while inside my area of hobby, is not regular engineering
18:55 <guru3> that's more EE if anything
18:56 <Lucifer> yeah, I asked the EE I know who's fairly current and he said he didn't think he'd have time.  I'm going to hit him up to participate in discussions at least, so he can steer us amateur EEs away from the wrong directions
18:56 <guru3> i know an EE
18:56 <Lucifer> I'm going to hit up my dad, who was also EE, but is a decade or more out of date
18:56 <guru3> who's on the same year of study i am
18:56 <guru3> that lives in the house
18:56 <Lucifer> hit him up!  :)  That's the one thing we're really short on, I think
18:57 <guru3> may do
18:57 <Lucifer> by cutting out the rover in particular, we've taken out most of the really tricky physics and engineering, but we're going to have to design circuits sooner or later
18:57 <Lucifer> and then build them
18:57 <Lucifer> I'm also curious how we can test any radiation shielding we come up with
18:58 <guru3> yeah
18:58 <guru3> that could be tricky
18:58 <guru3> i was thinking alluminum foil
18:58 <guru3> (for the shoestring budget rover)
18:58 <Lucifer> I was thinking of seeing if some nuke reactor will let us move a prototype around the core
18:58 <guru3> errr yeah
18:58 <guru3> probably not
18:59 <Lucifer> to build an actual model to send up, we'll need real money at some point, but if we can show the software chain working and a good prototype, we should be able to get some outside funding
18:59 <guru3> to be honest
18:59 <Lucifer> we can do the software chain and prototype on our dime, I think :)
18:59 <guru3> i just like the interesting problems
18:59 <guru3> usually
18:59 <guru3> if i can figure out a way to solve them
19:00 <Lucifer> well, our main problem that I can see is surviving the launch.  Physical problem, anyway.  Radiation is next, heating/cooling is next.
19:00 <Lucifer> the rest is programming, and we've got plenty of that particular skill around here
19:01 <guru3> oh yes one thing in particular
19:01 <guru3> that should be made clear
19:01 <guru3> is all units in SI
19:01 <guru3> N, M, etc
19:01 <Lucifer> I figure carmack took regular programming strategies to aerospace engineering, and we'll take open source programming strategies to ae :)
19:01 <guru3> none of this feet and lbs cock and bull
19:01 <Lucifer> yes, SI all the way, as far as i'm concerned
19:02 <Lucifer> we might have to compromise if we get a launch partner that uses those substandard units (don't tell wrtl I said that!), but internally we'll use all SI
19:02 <Lucifer> I thought that was pretty obvious.  :)
19:02 <guru3> you think it would be
19:02 <guru3> but i'm sure i've read about a probe or two that's cocked up because of it
19:02 <Lucifer> we're not nasa!
19:02 <Lucifer> we're not going to be nasa!
19:02 <guru3> personally i think the trickiest bit will be landing on the moon
19:03 <Lucifer> yep, which is going to take significant resources
19:03 <Lucifer> I don't think a small company can do both the delivery system and the rover
19:03 <Lucifer> a large company can, but what are they going to do with the prize?  For a company large enough to do all of it, the prize isn't worth getting
19:03 <guru3> the next trickiest bit will be movement
19:04 <guru3> specifically, obstacles
19:04 <Lucifer> well, instead of working on either my homework or the plan I mentioned, I've been researching lunar terrain :/
19:04 <guru3> rocks in the way and craters
19:04 <guru3> oh and lunar dust
19:04 <guru3> highly electrostatically charged i've heard
19:04 <guru3> due to solar radiation
19:04 <Lucifer> no wind, the only dust we should have to worry about is our own
19:04 <guru3> gotta make sure dust in the works isn't going to be an issue
19:04 <Lucifer> yep
19:05 <Lucifer> I figure we need to test in several earthly locations for a lot of things
19:05 <guru3> yeah i'm really quite noobish with this it seems
19:05 <Lucifer> one of those locations I want to test in is going to be White Sands National monument :)
19:05 <Lucifer> see if nasa has a simulated lunar facility they'd let us use
19:06 <Lucifer> since, like it or not, nasa are the current experts on lunar terrain :(
19:06 <guru3> that... could be in the future
19:06 <Lucifer> white sands is down the road a bit, it's a viable testing location as long as I've got a test model in my house
19:06 <Lucifer> but we'll have to see, we have to be well past lego prototypes before such testing is worthwhile
19:06 <guru3> yeah
19:07 <Lucifer> I can find all sorts of good obstacle courses in central texas for testing movement and stuff :)
19:07 <guru3> i like legos though
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19:08 <guru3> i've just come up with a moderately interesting idea for a design
19:08 <guru3> doesn't seem very feasible though
19:10 <Lucifer> well, we're probably not going to be able to avoid certain aspects of the design and can start coding for them immediately
19:10 <guru3> my coding is probably not up to snuff
19:10 <Lucifer> the differential torques is one, turns out the lunar rovers nasa built and drove around in use that
19:10 <guru3> for piloting an autonomous or semi autonomous robot
19:10 <Lucifer> the coding problem is a bit larger than that :)
19:11 <Lucifer> sure, that's what it boils down to, but consider what all needs to be written to do all that
19:11 <guru3> i do
19:12 <guru3> and that's when i'm glad i'm in civeng
19:12 <Lucifer> heh
19:12 <guru3> the problems are still difficult
19:12 <guru3> but they're more tactile
19:12 <Lucifer> there's also thousands of years of experimental data
19:13 <guru3> *whistles*
19:13 <Lucifer> I think you could make a worthwhile contribution to the rover if you get into it, but it's up to you how much you want to participate :)
19:14 <Lucifer> I'm actually very sad that armagetron doesn't have a physics engine that we could use for this
19:14 <guru3> i
19:14 <guru3> shall keep my eye on it yet
19:14 <guru3> and see if there's a place that looks interesting
19:16 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to go back over the thread and think aobut it some and start in on the plan I mentioned
19:16 <Lucifer> try to have something in place before the kids get out of school
19:16 <Lucifer> hey, can we have a forum for this?
19:16 <guru3> a subforum?
19:16 <Lucifer> yeah
19:16 <guru3> or a genuine forum?
19:16 <Lucifer> subforum :)
19:17 <guru3> possibly
19:17 <guru3> if you need to start another thread on it
19:17 <Lucifer> I think we're going to need multiple threads to talk about different parts of the problem
19:18 <Lucifer> we don't need them yet, but might be a few days, might be a few months, we'll need them eventually
19:18 <guru3> just keep in mind that moving out
19:18 <guru3> would be exceedingly difficult
19:18 <Lucifer> it's not my intention to move out :)
19:18 <guru3> ok
19:18 <Lucifer> we'll move out if we have to, but as long as nobody minds us being there....  ;)
19:19 <guru3> well we do have plenty of bandwith
19:19 <guru3> for about another 15 months i think
19:19 <guru3> before i have to pay again
19:39 <Lucifer> yay, my dad's interested, but he has to think it over and talk it over with my mom
19:39 <Lucifer> means he's pretty much in, and he was a EE in the air force for several decades :)
19:39 <guru3> cool
19:39 <guru3> amazing the team you can put together online
19:41 <Lucifer> heh
19:41 <Lucifer> let's hope this bet that the open source development model will work for this project works out :)
19:42 <Lucifer> if my dad jumps on board, our chances of successfully completing this project will go up dramatically
19:42 <Lucifer> it's not just his work in the air force (which includes a lot of time on the F-15 simulator and later the F-117a simulator)
19:42 <Lucifer> he was on the team that engineered the former, then ran the team that maintained the latter, iirc
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19:43 <Lucifer> he's got iso certifications out the wazoo
19:48 <guru3> viva
19:48 <guru3> iso
19:48 <guru3> and sorry for my delayed responses
19:48 <guru3> switched windows in irssi and totally forgot to switch back
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20:09 <luke-jr> wait-- you're making the moon rover a light cycle⁇
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20:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: :)
21:06 <Lucifer> :)
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21:11 <GodTodd> #last --from guru3 --with geometry
21:11 <armabot> GodTodd: [18:43:23] <guru3> helps relate the stiffness and the geometry of your member
21:11 <GodTodd> heh ehehhe hehe
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21:39 <Lucifer> he said member
21:39 <Lucifer> so, I emailed my bro, we'll see what he says (my bro in kansas, not the idiot in new mexico)
21:43 <guru3> cool
21:44 <guru3> and way to take stuff out of context, GodTodd
21:44 <Lucifer> he's obsessed with members
21:44 <Lucifer> too bad he's going into electronics, not much membering to be done over there
21:46 <Lucifer> hey, noteable kde update in gusty
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21:54 <GodTodd> guru3: that's what i do best ;)
21:54 <guru3> -_-
21:55 <GodTodd> [22:55] <Lucifer> well, I think I have to go screw my wife, bbiab
21:55 <GodTodd> [22:56] <Lucifer> hey, there's a task for someone
21:55 <GodTodd> that's another one :)
21:55 <Lucifer> why is adept telling me a new distribution is available?
21:55 <guru3> Oo
21:55 <Lucifer> what distribution does it think I'm running?
21:57 <GodTodd> i think sysinfo tells you
21:58 <Lucifer> GodTodd: worse, I forgot what the actual task was
21:58 <GodTodd> maybe not
21:58 <GodTodd> hrmmm
21:59 <Lucifer> nah, sysinfo is useless
22:00 <guru3> anyway
22:00 <guru3> i'm afk
22:02 <GodTodd> cat /etc/issue
22:02 <GodTodd> that tells you
22:02 <GodTodd> todd@todd-laptop:~$ cat /etc/issue
22:02 <GodTodd> Ubuntu 7.10 \n \l
22:03 <Lucifer> same here
22:03 <Lucifer> weird
22:03 <GodTodd> bah...i think i pulled a muscle coughing
22:03 <GodTodd> Lucifer: just means adept sucks :)
22:04 <Lucifer> yeah, I already knew that
22:04 <Lucifer> actually, the upgraded version is coming along nicely
22:04 <GodTodd> i haven't tried the one in .10
22:04 <GodTodd> 7.10*
22:04 <Lucifer> I need to remember to take my moon map to work tonight
22:05 <GodTodd> also haven't upgraded tommy's laptop to 7.10 yet
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22:14 <Lucifer> heya Fonkay
22:14 <Fonkay> heya me
22:14 <Lucifer> you should change your name to Fonkey, so it more clearly rhymes with monkey
22:15 <Fonkay> whassup luci, enjoy your day?
22:15 <Lucifer> well of course!  I enjoy evvery day!
22:15 <Lucifer> even the days I don't enjoy
22:15 <Lucifer> you?
22:15 <Fonkay> well fonkay is already a long ways off from it's original, so I'm sure the e wouldn
22:15 <Fonkay> 't change much
22:15 <GodTodd> the older you get the more you enjoy the fact that you simply woke up :)
22:15 <Lucifer> I'm not that old yet, grandpa
22:16 <Fonkay> I've high as a kite from work, so my day was alright
22:16 <GodTodd> nor am i, but we'll get there
22:16 <GodTodd> unless bush manages to get elected again somehow
22:16 <GodTodd> Fonkay works in a marijuana field?
22:16 <Lucifer> he is constitutionally forbidden, because he's held the office for too long
22:17 <GodTodd> he was constitutionally forbidden from listening to phone calls for no good reason too
22:17 <GodTodd> didn't stop him
22:17 <Lucifer> constitution says nothing about phones
22:17 <GodTodd> sure it does
22:17 <Lucifer> that's part of the problem
22:17 <GodTodd> my copy does anyway
22:18 <Lucifer> well, maybe an amendment does, I haven't read the amendments in a long time
22:18 <Fonkay> Fonkay used highly toxic stain all day
22:18 <GodTodd> nah...but it's part of the unreasonable search and seizure thing
22:18 <Lucifer> so I say, and so you say, but there's a court whose job it is to decide
22:19 <GodTodd> and they did
22:19 <GodTodd> that's why they killed part of the patriot act
22:19 <GodTodd> like 3 things in it the sup court took away
22:19 <Fonkay> I say fuck politics.
22:19 <Lucifer> yeah, well, it's not illegal until you get caught
22:19 <GodTodd> and sometimes not the
22:19 <GodTodd> n
22:19 <GodTodd> depends on your bank account :)
22:20 <GodTodd> fuck the flu
22:20 <GodTodd> :/
22:21 <Fonkay> ugh, i hate codecs.
22:22 <GodTodd> yay!
22:22 <GodTodd> my physics assignment isn't due till tomorrow night noe
22:23 <GodTodd> now*
22:25 <luke-jr> #echo civ 2.1 anyone?
22:25 <armabot> civ 2.1 anyone?
22:25 <Fonkay> boooo
22:26 <Lucifer> no civ!  I have a new pursuit
22:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer: cat /etc/*-release
22:27 <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer: we can enable spacerace
22:27 <armabot> Lucifer: we can enable spacerace
22:27 <Lucifer> you can also play with ais
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22:30 <Fonkay> so did anyone do anything fun for halloween? maybe i can live through someone else
22:31 <Lucifer> nah, I went to my martial arts class
22:31 <Lucifer> got an A on my second statics test, though
22:31 <Lucifer> because I ROCK!
22:31 <Lucifer> really, I do
22:31 <Fonkay> hehe
22:31 <Fonkay> which martial art?
22:31 <Lucifer> weapons?
22:31 <Lucifer> it's aikido-based, working with a jo
22:31 <Fonkay> oh
22:32 <luke-jr> Fonkay: I took my daughter around the block
22:32 <Fonkay> wait.. you have kids?
22:32 <noob7> what was the character to do a line brake in the .cfg (msg of day etc.) again?
22:32 <Lucifer> my kids went trick or treating and stuff
22:33 <luke-jr> Fonkay: 2
22:33 <Lucifer> \n?
22:33 <Lucifer> \n              ?
22:33 <noob7> ah, that might be it.. thx
22:33 <Lucifer> Fonkay: I took my kids to the XPrize Cup this weekend, and missed some school to do it, so I went to school for devil day
22:34 <Lucifer> my kids didn't mind, they spent the whole weekend with me :)
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22:34 <Fonkay> sounds like more fun than what i did on the weekend, or for halloween, so yay
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22:35 <GodTodd> luke-jr condones trick or treating?
22:35  * GodTodd is shocked.
22:35 <Lucifer> does he really?
22:36 <Lucifer> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
22:36 <armabot> Lucifer: [22:33:30] <luke-jr> Fonkay: 2, [22:32:57] <luke-jr> Fonkay: I took my daughter around the block, [22:27:40] <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer: we can enable spacerace, [22:27:09] <luke-jr> Lucifer: cat /etc/*-release, [22:25:39] <luke-jr> #echo civ 2.1 anyone?, [20:10:15] <luke-jr> wait-- you're making the moon rover a light cycle⁇, [09:31:48] <luke-jr> …, [09:22:16] <luke-jr> :þ, [09:20:44] (15 more messages)
22:36 <noob7> both /n and \n dont work ... weird
22:36 <Lucifer> man, what's awesome about halloween is that even luke-jr worships satan for a day
22:36 <GodTodd> it's not satanic :P
22:36 <GodTodd> it's pagan
22:36 <Lucifer> sure it is
22:37 <Lucifer> it's not christian, so by definition it's evil devil-worshipping crap
22:37 <Lucifer> you need to read your bible, old man!
22:37 <GodTodd> oh...that's right
22:37 <GodTodd> that's how i'm a satanist
22:37 <Lucifer> yep
22:37 <GodTodd> just cuz i'm not xtian :)
22:37 <Lucifer> same with Fonkay (hi there!)
22:38 <GodTodd> of course, i could go into a whole dissertation on all the "xtian" holidays that are really pagan ( but i won't ) :)
22:38 <Fonkay> i need to read my bible? or i'm a satanist?
22:38 <GodTodd> both
22:38 <GodTodd> you heathen
22:38 <Lucifer> nah, why bother?  It's a geocentric world with a copernican worldview
22:38 <luke-jr> All Hallows Eve is not satanic nor pagan
22:38 <GodTodd> :)
22:38 <Lucifer> galileo was right, catholics are dumb
22:38 <GodTodd> and in 300 years they'll admit it
22:38 <GodTodd> ;)
22:39 <Fonkay> oh dear, why is it that every time i'm in here there's a religion fight?
22:39 <GodTodd> no fight
22:39 <GodTodd> i see agreement
22:39 <GodTodd> :)
22:39 <luke-jr> and today is All Hallows Day
22:39 <luke-jr> ☺
22:39 <Lucifer> yeah, no fight
22:39 <luke-jr> hence why I need to get ready for church in a bit
22:39 <Lucifer> actually, it's more like whenever you come in here, you spark conversation
22:39 <Lucifer> and 99% of the conversation here is about how dumb luke-jr is
22:40 <Lucifer> that's probably what you're seeing
22:40 <luke-jr> except it's really Lucifer and co that are dumb ☺
22:41 <GodTodd> yeah...i think it *was* better with luke-jr on my ignore list....not sure how he got off of it
22:41 <GodTodd> oh...yeah...i've switched laptops since then :)
22:42 <luke-jr> yeah, ignore me so I can insult you behind your back easier ☺
22:42 <Lucifer> he reminded me last night to put him on my ignore list
22:43 <GodTodd> he has a way of doing that
22:43 <GodTodd> heh
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22:43 <Lucifer> heya gender ender
22:43 <ender> haha hey
22:43 <Lucifer> when's my wife supposed to be home?
22:43  * Lucifer mutters
22:44 <GodTodd> mine's supposed to be home in about 10 minutes
22:44 <ender> *going through a divorce
22:44 <Lucifer> man, that sucks
22:44 <GodTodd> the boys have gymnastics at 5:30
22:44 <ender> yeh pretty much
22:45 <luke-jr> divorce is impossible
22:45 <GodTodd> i went through what amounted to a divorce without the property a few years ago
22:45 <GodTodd> not fun :/
22:45 <Lucifer> I tried to divorce my weiner, but my wife wouldn't let me
22:45 <ender> yep thats what going down right now pretty much
22:45 <ender> hah
22:45 <GodTodd> tho, in the end, i won, so that was good
22:45 <Lucifer> ender: got any kids stuck in the middle?
22:46 <GodTodd> wow...attack of the killer commas
22:46 <ender> nope
22:46 <GodTodd> mine was all about custody
22:46 <ender> thankfully
22:46 <GodTodd> and moving
22:46 <ender> sucks
22:46 <Lucifer> ender: *phew*, that's good.  You can hate her for fucking you over, but fucking over the kids is just about a killing offense
22:46  * GodTodd agrees.
22:46 <ender> me too
22:47 <GodTodd> tho, my ex hasn't exercised her visitation at all
22:47 <ender> lame
22:47 <GodTodd> she hasn't seen our son since november of....04 i think
22:47 <ender> thats terrible
22:47 <GodTodd> yep
22:48 <ender> hey lucifer which server are you usually on? i never see you
22:48 <Lucifer> ender: that's because I never play
22:48 <Lucifer> no 3d acceleration
22:48 <Lucifer> I blame ubuntu
22:48 <ender> ah i see
22:48 <ender> hah
22:48 <GodTodd> i wonder if my 3d works on this laptop
22:48 <GodTodd> it's not the xpress card now
22:48 <ender> well thanks for developing things
22:49 <luke-jr> #echo I have no 3D acceleration because this laptop only has 32 MB video RAM-- but I can still play with software rendering just fine
22:49 <armabot> I have no 3D acceleration because this laptop only has 32 MB video RAM-- but I can still play with software rendering just fine
22:49 <Lucifer> that's because you're a tradcath, and you'll settle for anything
22:49 <GodTodd> wow...armabot got a lappy?
22:49 <Lucifer> some of us have standards, however
22:49 <GodTodd> what a nice gift from wrtlprnft
22:49 <ender> hahah
22:50 <Lucifer> and let's face it, real life is better than low quality armagetron
22:50 <GodTodd> real life?
22:50 <ender> yeh i agree
22:50 <GodTodd> whassat?
22:50 <ender> hehe
22:50 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :þ
22:50 <GodTodd> oh...it's that place i go between stints at the computer, eh?
22:51 <Lucifer> yeah, you know, where your wife lives and your kid has gymnastics
22:51 <GodTodd> to piss and shit and eat and shit
22:51 <ender> and shit..
22:52 <GodTodd> real life sucks....it gave me the flu (and shit)...my computer doesn't give me virii
22:52 <ender> funny
22:52 <ender> so you have the flu now?
22:52 <GodTodd> i think so
22:53 <ender> oh man im sorry that sucks and shit
22:53 <GodTodd> self diagnosed...officiall diagnosis is "i feel like shit (and shit)
22:53 <GodTodd> "
22:53 <GodTodd> :)
22:53 <ender> XD
22:53 <GodTodd> oh... Lucifer...did i tell you i'm a fancy schmancy artiste now?
22:53 <GodTodd> heh
22:54 <GodTodd> have a showing and everything
22:54 <GodTodd> :D
22:54 <ender> thats cool
22:54 <GodTodd> heh...it's a collage i did for a pain in the ass humanities class that took me a few hours in gimp
22:55 <ender> hehe
22:55 <GodTodd> she seemed to like it tho...and if someone pays a hunnerd bucks they can take the shit and shit
22:56 <GodTodd> if i were joe, i'da used mspaint and ask a thousand
22:56 <GodTodd> heh
22:56 <ender> ms paint :)
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