IRCLogs for #armagetron in 2007-10-31 • ArmaNelgTron.tk

Log from 2007-10-31:
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05:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
05:26 <GodTodd> Lucifer: pong
05:26 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192626#192626
05:26 <Lucifer> want in on this?
05:28 <Lucifer> probably take a minute or so to read the whole thread :)
05:30 <Lucifer> I'm a grab a smoke
05:40 <Lucifer> back
05:45 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping again :)
05:48 <luke-jr> Lucifer: sounds like nobody cares, btw
05:48 <Lucifer> sounds like you don't care, but there hasn't been much noise in general here, so your conclusion is spurious
05:50 <luke-jr> you've been asking for days
05:51 <GodTodd> Lucifer: still reading on it but it does sound fun :)
05:51 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I've barely been back 24 hours.  I guess that's "days" in Luke-jr Time.
05:52 <Lucifer> no point arguing with a guy who believes the geocentric model of the movement of celestial bodies, he's back on my ignore list :)
05:55 <GodTodd> hrmm...i think my kde is borked on this other laptop :/
05:56 <Lucifer> eek, that sucks
05:57 <Lucifer> man, I didn't realize that particular post was that long when I wrote it
05:58 <GodTodd> the last one?
05:58 <Lucifer> yeah
05:59 <GodTodd> yeah...just finished that one
06:00 <GodTodd> wordy motherfucker :P
06:00 <GodTodd> grrr...i know its not winders...but would reinstalling kde do much?
06:01 <Lucifer> it's not winders
06:01 <Lucifer> depends on why it's borked, to be honest
06:01 <Lucifer> if it's borked because of a system config file, then reinstalling it with apt-get would prompt a diff on the file and you can then have it replaced
06:01 <GodTodd> dunno why it's borked....it wasn't earlier and now it is
06:01 <Lucifer> if it's borked because of a user config file, then you'll have to fix it
06:02 <Lucifer> what's wrong with it, err, what's it doing?
06:02 <Lucifer> so, you want to work on this rover?
06:02 <Lucifer> this is right up your alley as far as your degree is concerned.  :)
06:02 <GodTodd> if i have anything to contribute and can find some time, sure
06:02 <GodTodd> yep
06:02 <Lucifer> It would be awesome to graduate with an already completed lunar rover.  ;)
06:02 <GodTodd> yessir
06:03 <GodTodd> my kde all of a sudden doesn't see the usb wireless and the keyboard doesn't type...that's as far as i've gotten on the borkedness
06:04 <Lucifer> ahhh, has one of your kids been at the keyboard while you were away?
06:04 <Lucifer> those problems sound like that....
06:04 <GodTodd> not that i'm aware of
06:04 <Lucifer> also, I had a problem with my gusty upgrade where it wasn't loading the wireless kernel module on boot
06:04 <Lucifer> I fixed it, but it was annoying.
06:04 <GodTodd> conor hasn't been home since 10am or so on monday
06:04 <Lucifer> it doesn't come back after hibernating, either, so I have to reboot if I want network after hibernating
06:05 <Lucifer> where's he at?  visiting family?
06:05 <Lucifer> oh yeah, can you see if karen's interested in this rover project?  :)
06:05 <GodTodd> kinda...he's at grandma and grandpa's
06:06 <Lucifer> enough to either provide you appropriate spousal support, and/or code directly
06:06 <Lucifer> you guys aren't fighting, are you?
06:06 <GodTodd> he spends mon and wed nights there (due to my physics class in the mornings) and he wasn't feeling well and was too sleepy so they let him sleep there tonight too
06:06 <Lucifer> ahhh, an unplanned extended stay :)
06:06 <GodTodd> no more than a normal married couple
06:06 <Lucifer> driving you nuts?
06:07 <GodTodd> nah
06:07 <Lucifer> none of my kids did all-nighters until recently, and even then the first time was a little hair-raising
06:07 <Lucifer> we're getting used to it, but it took some adjusting :)
06:07 <GodTodd> we do it periodically...the first few times were pretty bad
06:07 <GodTodd> heh
06:08 <GodTodd> yeah, i can see if karen would be interested at all...her expertise in coding is java, however
06:08 <Lucifer> does the mouse work in your kde?
06:08 <GodTodd> yes
06:09 <Lucifer> what her expertise in coding is is largely irrelevant.  She's a self-learner, right?  We kinda still have to settle on a language anyway....
06:09 <GodTodd> yeah...she's a good self learner
06:09 <GodTodd> i've already tried to plant the python bug in her ear
06:09 <Lucifer> what really matters is the self-learning, the interest and drive to work on the project, and the general programming experience she has
06:09 <GodTodd> not sure if it's germinating yet tho
06:10 <Lucifer> ah well, with  me leading this thing, there's a good probability python will get picked, but I don't want to pick python when there's a better language
06:10 <Lucifer> also, we need some idea of what hardware will actually be on it, because that could dictate the language anyway
06:10 <GodTodd> yep
06:10 <Lucifer> probably won't, and an interpreted language gives us some freedom from the hardware....
06:11 <Lucifer> for you what matters it he self-learning, the interest and drive to work on the project, and the fact that this is all stuff that's in your degree plan
06:11 <Lucifer> so participating is beneficial for you and the project that way, because you'll be learning stuff in school at the same time as you're learning stuff for the project :)
06:12 <GodTodd> yep...and hopefully i'll get into the nuts and bolts we need in the next year or so
06:12 <Lucifer> I already solicited my wife's brother-in-law (my brother-in-law?), who's got a PhD in EE.  He said he didn't think he'd have time, so I'm going to try to get him to take on a mentor role of some sort
06:13 <GodTodd> i'm picturing myself more in the electronics part tho willing to learn enough to help code too
06:13 <Lucifer> I'm going to hit up my dad, too.  He used to be a certified EE, but he's been out of electronics for a decade or so
06:13 <GodTodd> hrmm...borked knetworkmanager wouldn't bork the keyboard would it?
06:13 <Lucifer> but he's retired, and may be interested in tackling a lot of EE work on this project just to keep himself busy and support his son :)
06:13 <Lucifer> shouldn't
06:13 <Lucifer> I asked about the mouse for a reason, lemme see
06:14 <Lucifer> do K Menu->System settings
06:14 <Lucifer> Accessibility->Keyboard filters
06:15 <Lucifer> one of my kids managed to turn on slow keys so that I had the appearance of a broken keyboard
06:15 <GodTodd> ummm...i don't see those stuffs
06:16 <Lucifer> ?  I just went through it and looked......
06:16 <Lucifer> you did kmenu->System Settings and got the OS X-clone system settings program?
06:16 <GodTodd> i don't have system settings
06:16 <Lucifer> Accessibility is under "Personal", on the first line there
06:17 <Lucifer> you don't?  how do you change system settings then?
06:17 <GodTodd> dunno
06:17 <GodTodd> heh
06:18 <Lucifer> well, check your menus for a system settings program of sorts
06:18 <Lucifer> probably you have at least the standard kde settings program, whose name escapes me at the moment
06:18 <GodTodd> control panel?
06:18 <GodTodd> er..center
06:18 <Lucifer> you'll have to dig, but you should be able to find the module I just directed to you this way, because the kubuntu app is just a wrapper over the same stuff
06:18 <Lucifer> control center sounds familiar
06:19 <GodTodd> what's keyboard repeat do?
06:19 <Lucifer> length of time after you push and hold a key down before it starts repeating
06:19 <GodTodd> k
06:21 <GodTodd> keep in mind, too, that if i boot into gnome, everything still works perfectly
06:22 <Lucifer> definitely a user setting somewhere
06:22 <Lucifer> in which case reinstalling kde won't help :)
06:22 <Lucifer> there was another kde switch that disabled the keyboard somewhere in kcontrol, but I don't remember what it was
06:23 <Lucifer> I just remember the last time it happened was because of that accessibility thing my son hit, the time before that was something else that I don't remember
06:23 <Lucifer> both were fixed by finding the appropriate setting and correcting it
06:23 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:23 <GodTodd> both stopped at approximately the same time, however
06:24 <Lucifer> both what?  You said if you use gnome, everything works perfectly
06:25 <GodTodd> yep
06:25 <Lucifer> ah wait, both knetworkmanager and the keyboard?
06:25 <GodTodd> and in kde now i have no keyboard or wireless
06:25 <Lucifer> is it a usb keyboard?
06:25 <GodTodd> nope
06:25 <GodTodd> laptop
06:25 <Lucifer> do laptops use usb interfaces to their keyboards internally?  :)
06:25 <GodTodd> dunno
06:25 <Lucifer> it could just be coincidence....
06:25 <Lucifer> does gnome's wireless manager applet work?
06:26 <GodTodd> looks like a serial type plug whenever i've torn a lappy apart
06:26 <GodTodd> when i boot into gnome?
06:26 <GodTodd> yea
06:26 <GodTodd> h
06:26 <Lucifer> mine is autodetected as a ps/2 keyboard
06:27 <Lucifer> it's a kde-specific problem, and there has to be a connection for it to be the same problem.  The connection could be a broken library, for example, but the network manager and keyboard are in totally different areas, afaik
06:27 <GodTodd> 'could be a coincidence' is what we used to tell people when we didn't want to fix the part we broke fixing the first problem ;)
06:28 <Lucifer> well, I'm a mechanic, not a computer tech :)
06:28 <GodTodd> heh
06:28 <GodTodd> it's definitely kde specific...i've troubleshot that far :)
06:29 <Lucifer> heh, for some reason the word troubleshot reminded me of when victoria was 2, I'd ask her if she was shod
06:29 <Lucifer> she'd get confused, so I'd ask if she was wearing shoes
06:29 <Lucifer> so she'd go get shoes on and say "I'm shod now"
06:29 <GodTodd> heh
06:30 <Lucifer> well, luke-jr knows all about kde, wireless, and keyboards, did you ask him for help yet?
06:31 <GodTodd> nope...and i don't plan on it
06:31 <GodTodd> i'd do a clean install first, thankyouverymuch :)
06:32 <Lucifer> heh
06:35 <GodTodd> ok....just tried knetworkmanager under gnome
06:35 <GodTodd> messed up there too
06:35 <GodTodd> err
06:35 <GodTodd> no, it's not
06:35 <GodTodd> it's working there
06:41 <GodTodd> how much damage would uninstalling kde then reinstalling it do?
06:50 <Lucifer> probably none, but if it's a user config problem, it won't fix it at all
06:51 <GodTodd> so...how do i find out if it's a user config problem?
06:55 <luke-jr> mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old
06:55 <luke-jr> killall X
07:09 <GodTodd> works now....does that mean it was a user config thing?
07:10 <luke-jr> yes
07:10 <GodTodd> k
07:10 <GodTodd> thanks
07:10 <luke-jr> if you want, you can now dig through ~/.kde.old and restore stuff you need
07:10 <luke-jr> but obviously something in there was your problem, so don't just restore it all
07:11 <GodTodd> probably just as easy to reconfig
07:11 <luke-jr> perhaps, but do note ~/.kde is more than merely config in some cases
07:11 <luke-jr> ~/.kde/share/config would be config-only stuff, but there are ~/.kde/share/apps and such that are not configs
07:12 <luke-jr> such as address book, bookmarks, etc
07:12 <GodTodd> address book for what?
07:13 <luke-jr> kaddressbook
07:13 <GodTodd> i don't use that ")
07:13 <luke-jr> ok
07:13 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <luke-jr> those were examples anyhow
07:13 <luke-jr> :þ
07:14 <GodTodd> i will probably just reconfig for now...too sick and sleepy to dig much
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
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09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: mlbelenus * r7364 /private/belenus/OpenBSD/ports/games/armagetronad/ (client/distinfo server/distinfo): update for OpenBSD 4.2
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10:17 <cusco> yo
10:17 <cusco> I have an old svned armagetron
10:18 <cusco> when I try to update it says:
10:18 <cusco> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad'
10:18 <cusco> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad': Could not resolve hostname `svn.sourceforge.net': Host not found (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
10:18 <wrtlprnft> ah
10:18 <wrtlprnft> the host changed
10:19 <cusco> ah!
10:19 <wrtlprnft> the new repository root is https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad
10:19 <cusco> what is the svn file to alter?
10:19 <cusco> hold
10:19 <wrtlprnft> so either check out a new working copy or figure out how svn switch works
10:20 <wrtlprnft> svn switch --relocate https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad *should* work
10:21 <wrtlprnft> actually it doesn't ;)
10:21 <wrtlprnft> svn switch --relocate https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
10:21 <wrtlprnft> that worked
10:22 <cusco> I was going to edit the svn_update... its note needed then
10:22 <cusco> thanks
10:22  * wrtlprnft just found an easter egg in htop :D
10:23 <cusco> really?
10:23 <cusco> how?
10:23 <cusco> tehre's no easter egg in the man page
10:23 <wrtlprnft> if the uptime is ≥101 days it displays a (!)
10:23 <wrtlprnft> Uptime: 290 days(!), 00:15:32
10:23 <cusco> ah!
10:24 <MrBougo> lol
10:24  * wrtlprnft actually checked the source code to find the limit
10:24 <cusco> which is..?
10:24 <wrtlprnft>    if (days > 100) {
10:24 <wrtlprnft>       sprintf(daysbuf, "%d days(!), ", days);
10:24 <wrtlprnft>    } else if (days > 1) {
10:24 <wrtlprnft>       sprintf(daysbuf, "%d days, ", days);
10:24 <wrtlprnft>    } else if (days == 1) {
10:24 <wrtlprnft>       sprintf(daysbuf, "1 day, ");
10:24 <wrtlprnft>    } else {
10:24 <wrtlprnft>       daysbuf[0] = '\0';
10:24 <cusco> oki
10:28 <wrtlprnft> i don't think that feature is documented anywhere yet ;)
10:29 <cusco> nah.. no bother
10:29 <luke-jr> O.o
10:29 <luke-jr> epsy is annoying :þ
10:30 <cusco> what is epsy?
10:30 <luke-jr> I just had to rewrite my server hosting scripts to let him use a bot written in PHP on the Arma server -.-
10:30 <wrtlprnft> so what?
10:30 <luke-jr> :þ
10:31 <cusco> now the bot will cause  DOS
10:31 <luke-jr> so it's too complex for BASH, so I had to port it to Perl
10:32 <wrtlprnft> echo dev-lang/php cli >> /etc/portage/package.use && emerge -N php
10:32 <wrtlprnft> all you really needed to do
10:33 <luke-jr> PHP CLI can't run Arma bots out of the box
10:33 <wrtlprnft> perl can't, either
10:34 <luke-jr> Perl can do other nice things
10:34 <luke-jr> does dedicated_idle take 0.1?
10:35 <wrtlprnft> like having a write- only code feature?
10:35 <luke-jr> wtf?
10:35 <wrtlprnft> src/tron/gGame.cpp:static REAL ded_idle=24;
10:35 <wrtlprnft> src/tron/gGame.cpp:static tSettingItem<REAL> dedicaded_idle("DEDICATED_IDLE",ded_idle);
10:36 <luke-jr> good
10:36 <luke-jr> everything seems to work so far :D
10:37 <luke-jr> my service layer should execute an arbitrary executable and connect its stdio to Arma's (indirectly)
10:37 <luke-jr> err
10:37  * luke-jr forgot the glue between Arma stdout and bot stdin
10:38 <luke-jr> there, one line :d
10:39 <luke-jr> 			print $botIN $buf if defined $botIN;
10:42 <wrtlprnft> #echo [shuffle print $botIN $buf if defined $botIN];
10:42 <armabot> $botIN $botIN if print defined $buf ;
10:42 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't that be better?
10:51 <luke-jr> no
10:52 <MrBougo> #help www
10:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "www".
10:52 <MrBougo> #help web
10:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "web".
10:52 <MrBougo> dammit
10:52 <MrBougo> #list
10:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
10:52 <MrBougo> #list web
10:52 <armabot> MrBougo: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
10:53 <luke-jr> bleh, over 300 lines of code
10:53 <luke-jr> it was much shorter in BASH
10:54 <MrBougo> :/
10:54 <MrBougo> #title www.moanmyip.com
10:54 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'www.moanmyip.com' is not a valid http url.
10:54 <MrBougo> what was it then
10:54 <MrBougo> #title http://moanmyip.com
10:54 <armabot> MrBougo: MoanMyIP.com - Sexy Girls Moaning Your IP Address!
10:54 <luke-jr> …
10:55 <MrBougo> roffles what would they do to get money from ads
10:55 <MrBougo> /ignore'd :p
10:55 <MrBougo> don't you hate these guys sending stupid stuff by email?
10:55 <MrBougo> that's not even spam
10:56 <MrBougo> you gave them their email and they send you jokes and silly things
10:56 <luke-jr> heh
10:56 <MrBougo> seems to be a geek site :p
10:56 <luke-jr> my wife got one the other day threatening her life if she didn't forward it on
10:56 <MrBougo> did she die?
10:56 <luke-jr> no
10:56 <luke-jr> I didn't let her read it either
10:56 <MrBougo> hehe
10:56 <MrBougo> did you die?
10:57 <MrBougo> i guess it didnt work then
10:57 <luke-jr> as unlikely as it is, *theoretically* someone could write a spell that kills the person reading it if they don't do what they're supposed to
10:57 <luke-jr> so I didn't read it
10:57 <MrBougo> how do you know that it threatened her life
10:57 <luke-jr> that was the preface, presumably
10:57 <MrBougo> used a spellcheck program? ;P
10:57  * MrBougo runs
10:58 <luke-jr> of course
10:58 <luke-jr> the most likely reason is that it is just an idiot bugging me
10:58 <luke-jr> :þ
10:58 <luke-jr> who has no clue how to begin writing a real spell
10:58 <luke-jr> ☺
10:59 <MrBougo> hehe
10:59 <MrBougo> he didnt know how to spell it
11:00 <luke-jr> yes, it was funny the first time, MrBougo
11:00 <MrBougo> :(
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12:27 <z-man-work> "dont settle for the ugly chicks, get the hot ones with a big penis"
12:27 <z-man-work> Why does this spammer think I want chicks with a big penis???????
12:28 <MrBougo> everyone wants these
12:33 <[CH]DarkStar> z-man-work: would you rather like to have chicks with a small penis? xD
12:34 <z-man-work> ...
12:34 <[CH]DarkStar> you're married anyway, aren't you?
12:38 <[CH]DarkStar> woohoo i remembered my password on the forums xD
12:59 <epsy> can someone explain me why a linux install wouldn't have the ln command ?
13:12 <MrBougo> what distro is it?
13:12 <MrBougo> i want it
13:12 <MrBougo> definitely
13:12 <MrBougo> ls is in bash, right?
13:13 <MrBougo> so your bash isnt.... normal
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13:40 <epsy> MrBougo, i said ln
13:40 <epsy> it's debian
13:40 <epsy> it seems
13:40 <MrBougo> oh ln
13:40 <MrBougo> :p
13:40 <MrBougo> bbl
13:40 <MrBougo> bbl
13:41 <epsy> bbl
13:41 <epsy> bbl
13:41 <epsy> :p
13:41 <epsy> oh ln
13:41 <MrBougo> sorry
13:41 <MrBougo> one msg here and one amsg
13:41 <epsy> lol
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16:14 <epsy> someone up for café ?
16:14 <Khalsa> + leche = win
16:14 <epsy> Hell Yeah!
16:15 <Khalsa> you remind me of this awesome place in Buenos Aires I had some great tea
16:16  * Khalsa is addicted to tea
16:16 <epsy> haha
16:16 <Khalsa> seriously, it's all my parents fault too. They are also addicted
16:17 <Khalsa> they have like 2-6 cups a day
16:17 <Khalsa> <-- can stop the shakes with 2
16:17 <Khalsa> :-P
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17:55 <epsy> #ping
17:55 <armabot> pong
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18:27 <duudii> hi
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19:45 <epsy> #ping
19:45 <armabot> pong
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20:32 <epsy> #armaconfig IP
20:32 <armabot> epsy: ALLOW_ENEMIES_SAME_IP: If set to 1, this allows two players that apparently come from the same machine to fight for points with each other. (default: 0) || BAN_IP: Bans the spedified IP address from the server for a variable time. (default: ) || BUG_RIP: Allows the rim wall to be ripped open by a VERY close grind. (default: 0) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_CLIP_SPEED: Speed with wich the visibility (2 more messages)
20:33 <epsy> #more
20:33 <armabot> epsy: targets is brought into view (default: 40) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the server is full (default: 4) || MAX_PLAYERS_SAME_IP: maximum number of players from the same IP (1 more message)
20:33 <epsy> #more
20:33 <armabot> epsy: (note that each client can legally host up to four players) (default: 4) || SERVER_IP: IP the server listens on (default: ANY) || UNBAN_IP: Revokes the ban of the specified IP address. (default: )
20:33 <epsy> dang...
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23:43 <spidey> http://www.hubhive.com/ministry-of-defense-creates-invisible-tank
23:43 <spidey> anyone think we'd win WW3?
23:43 <spidey> heh
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23:59 <spidey> http://www.hubhive.com/jesus-wtf
23:59 <spidey> hahah , that was for luke-jr
23:59 <luke-jr> u
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