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Log from 2007-11-02:
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00:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I remembered an electrical engineer I know that I haven't asked, and a lady that works in geology here at the school and emailed them both :)
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00:59 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer_arma
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> heya KYLE
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> damn mac keyboard
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> alright, no more fooling around, we need a plan now!  :)
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I just hit up my physics teacher, and he doesn't want to participate, just wants credit, heh ;)
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to get a mac mouse to quit slowing down?
01:04 <ct|kyle> i hate mac
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's what we've got at school
01:04 <ct|kyle> heh
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I'm trained for a mouse that doesn't slow down
01:05 <ct|kyle> i'm not sure only used macs a few times
01:05 <spidey> "mouse that slows down"  <--wtf?
01:06 <ct|kyle> its a mac <-- WTF
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, when I get near to where I'm wanting to click, I naturally slow the mouse down myself, right?  The mac, figuring I'm getting close, reduces the sensitivity when it sees that to make it easier to hit the target button
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, my linux box doesn't do that, so I'm not used to it
01:07 <spidey> that's retarded
01:07 <ct|kyle> that's a mac
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> it just sounds retarded, something tells me I'd love it if I were used to it
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> but I"m not, so I hate it
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> what's a general word for drivetrain that's not drivetrain?
01:08 <ct|kyle> its some speed control setting. I herd about it once before
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> something that can apply to rocket engines, propellers, etc.
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> and also electric motors
01:08 <spidey> flywheel? O.o
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> nah, flywheel is a specific device
01:09 <ct|kyle> ya what Lucifer said
01:09 <ct|kyle> shaft?
01:09 <ct|kyle> Drive shaft>
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> no, more general, like motivation, method of motion, that sort of thing
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> to describe a system
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet I mentioned it in that thread somewhere
01:10 <ct|kyle> heh
01:10 <ct|kyle> ya
01:10 <ct|kyle> we should not go with 2 wheel
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01:11 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  The advantage I see to 2 wheels is that if we get on a slope and can't stop, we can just roll down
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> with the right tires, we can bounce and flip and all sorts of stuff and still land upright
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> it'd be like a cat
01:12 <ct|kyle> 3 wheel can be more efficient for gas mileage and power usage. it is also plenty stable but i still think 4 are the best
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> of course, with treads, we could still get near the same thing
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> ah hell, we need to simulate them and see what looks best
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> chances are very good there aren't significant code issues here, so we can still start coding knowing that we're building either wheeled or treaded
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> and we need to build the simulator first anyway :)
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> have you looked at ODE yet?
01:13 <ct|kyle> oh i looked into NASA's open source robot software
01:13 <ct|kyle> i really have not looked at ODE
01:14 <ct|kyle> i just wanted to see other possibilities first
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> there's another one, but I"m having trouble making heads or tails of how to use it, BRL-CAD
01:14 <ct|kyle> http://claraty.jpl.nasa.gov/man/overview/index.php
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I don't think we can really look at other possibilities without simulating anything :)
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> until then, we're just discussing might-bes
01:15 <ct|kyle> Gps i am fairly sure that will only work on the earth.
01:16 <ct|kyle> the way it is set up. just from what my physics teacher told me.
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure about that too, and really the purpose of computing our position is to sanity check what we know from dead reckoning
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I think we can triangulate on a unit we leave at the base is because we can put two antennas on the base unit
01:17 <ct|kyle> or 3 it would be more acurite
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be accurate for a distance, we might throw in some extensions to increase the distance
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> right, you get the idea :)
01:18 <ct|kyle> as long as we  know the distance between all 2 or 3 we can tell exactly where we are from the base
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> if we can compute our position relative to some fixed point, we can sanity check our dead reckoning
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01:19 <Lucifer_arma> obviously having the ability to determine the locations of nearby objects would also be very helpful
01:19 <ct|kyle> maybe i should contact my old physics teacher. He would probably be helpful
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> basic surveying work, really, if we can, as jonathan pointed out, know the precise direction the camera is pointing
01:19 <ct|kyle> Sonar would not work correct
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> radar would work, but I don't have any idea if we can get one small enough that gives enough useful range and has minimal power requirements
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01:20 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 50.7°F (7:23 PM CDT on November 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.16 in 987.4 hPa (Steady).
01:21 <ct|kyle> if we have enough solar panels we should be fine
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, but we still have to minimize mass so we can ride a delivery system someone builds :)
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> drive system is close to the word I"m looking for
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> propulsion, that's it
01:22 <ct|kyle> ah
01:23 <ct|kyle> I'm thinking about the landing system that nasa used for mars most recent bot
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> drop it on a pillow?
01:25 <ct|kyle> basically Air balloons surrounding it
01:26 <ct|kyle> we need to have a mechanism to flip it back over, just in case
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01:32 <QUARG> hello all
01:32 <ct|kyle> QUARG: oi
01:34 <QUARG> i dont see any talking ;)
01:34 <GodTodd> #last --nolimit
01:34 <armabot> GodTodd: [01:34:38] <QUARG> i dont see any talking ;), [01:33:01] <ct|kyle> QUARG: oi, [01:32:54] <QUARG> hello all, [01:26:59] <ct|kyle> we need to have a mechanism to flip it back over, just in case, [01:25:35] <ct|kyle> basically Air balloons surrounding it, [01:24:44] <Lucifer_arma> drop it on a pillow?, [01:24:17] <ct|kyle> I'm thinking about the landing system that nasa used for mars most recent (50 more messages)
01:34 <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: you are also correct about the grease and whatnot, i know once grease is frozen it does not come back into the same forum
01:35 <QUARG> just dont use grease
01:35 <QUARG> use phenolic and bakelite berings
01:35 <GodTodd> don't they use a silicon based lubricant or smth?
01:36 <QUARG> phenolic is a resin based plastic
01:36 <ct|kyle> we really should consider it being an element and not a compound, because heating and cooling makes compounds well into differnt mixtures
01:36 <QUARG> i think that it has a lubricant that is extruded
01:37 <QUARG> by the phenolic which in its self is heat resistant
01:38 <QUARG> i posted a link to the breakdown of the mars rover in the topic
01:38 <ct|kyle> what about cold temperatures. will part of it freeze before anotehr part?
01:38 <ct|kyle> i saw the link
01:39 <QUARG> well the bering seems to be made completely of the same compound race and ball.
01:39 <QUARG> i would have to see how it resists to cold. o and also it is non conductive
01:39 <QUARG> which makes it a good insulator
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01:40 <QUARG> as for reversing the rover i was looking at legged bots
01:41 <QUARG> spider like
01:41 <ct|kyle> how not just turn the motors in reverse?
01:41 <QUARG> they were interesting because when it flips over all you have to do is reverse the legs
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> legged bots will make programming way difficult
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> not necessarily out of reach, but really tricky
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'd almost prefer to go to a pogo-stick powered bot
01:42 <ct|kyle> i think a lever arm mounted on top of the bot would be easiest to flip it over
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> a two-wheel bot would just move out from wherever it landed :)
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> we can probably achieve nearly the same effect with treads, depending on how we hang the body on the treads
01:43 <QUARG> and if its a wheeld vehicle just make it so that the tires are large enough so that it can run upside dwon
01:43 <QUARG> like a segway
01:43 <ct|kyle> we could use legs that rotate around but mount wheels on them
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> that'll raise our center of mass quite a bit, could affect how we transit terrain
01:44 <QUARG> but wouldnt the lower gravity make it difficult for wheeled vehicles?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> it does have the advantage of letting us just raise up the bot to go over rough terrain we'd otherwise have to go around
01:44 <QUARG> did you see the bot link i posted?
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> if it's only got two wheels, and they share the axis of rotation, we can make the center of mass lower than the axis of rotation and the body will always be oriented correctly
01:45 <ct|kyle> with gravity being less on the moon are center of gravity will already be higher there than in testing locations
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> center of mass doesn't change, only the force due to gravity :)
01:46 <ct|kyle> Center of gravity
01:46 <QUARG> the only thing that i find unreliable about 2 wheels is that if you get stuck you have no way to offset the center of gravity to get out of the hole
01:46 <ct|kyle> not center of mass
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's going to affect friction quite a bit, since friction is directly proportional to the reaction force of the surface
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01:46 <QUARG> exacty
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, center of mass, center of gravity, not much difference
01:47 <QUARG> i saw a snake bot that was interesting
01:47 <QUARG> :)
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, they're the same thing, and will be in the same location here as on the moon as in orbit, etc
01:47 <ct|kyle> i finaly see your 2 wheel idea Lucifer
01:48 <QUARG> but 2 wheels arent very efficient at getting over obsticles
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> no they're not, that's why we need to know what the terrain actually looks like
01:48 <ct|kyle> Sipked wheels
01:48 <QUARG> true
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> the terrain in the photos the apollo guys took looks fine
01:48 <ct|kyle> I sent Nasa a request for information
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's also the idea of putting spikes not directly on the wheels, but where we can fold them out when we need it
01:49 <QUARG> spikes lower your contact area and tend to slip more
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's true for solid surfaces, the moon is covered by a layer of packed dust
01:49 <ct|kyle> looking at google maps the terrain for Apollo was the flap part of the moon
01:49 <QUARG> on hard surfaces
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> they mostly landed in maries, but it was still dusty
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> lots of pictures of footprints left in the dust :)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> *marias
01:50 <QUARG> if their real.:)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we'll have to find that one out, won't we?  ;)
01:50 <QUARG> i call shotgun
01:50 <ct|kyle> we need to make the first Lunar web site
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> send up a website on the rover?
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> let people connect to it?  ;)
01:51 <ct|kyle> heh
01:51 <ct|kyle> would be a first
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of sending up an arma server and running the afl championship for that season on it
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> at least everybody will have equal pings
01:51 <QUARG> i was wondering about the simulator
01:51 <QUARG> lol
01:52 <ct|kyle> maybe change the quality of an image to 8 bit have it update daily and post it on a site
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> we need to get a simulator that has ideal conditions on a mockup robot and start coding movement and navigation
01:52 <QUARG> are you talking about a physical rover test or in a software?
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> er, yes
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> software first, because we can do that now
01:52 <QUARG> ok then ill let you do that part.
01:52 <ct|kyle> AFL's moon server
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> physical tests using available fields and shit
01:53 <QUARG> dark side of the moon
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> at some point we should be able to secure a lot of funding, when we'll have to worry about building or acquiring access to a good lunar surface simulator
01:53 <ct|kyle> if we start programming and designing we can get founding fairly easly.
01:54 <ct|kyle> but we need to have a solid plan that we can present well
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> quarg: you could work on finding out what materials are available, prices, specs (temperature range, thermal expansion, density, shear, etc)
01:54 <ct|kyle> then thee founding will come
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> yep, working on it right now
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, the funding has to be 90% private
01:54 <QUARG> will do
01:55 <QUARG> did you see how much the mars rover devel cost?
01:55 <ct|kyle> QUARG: what is it?
01:55 <QUARG> were taling billions
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> Quarg: collect the information into a google spreadsheet and share it with us.  When you create it, ping us for email addresses.  Kyle and I are already in there with stuff
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but that's in nasa dollars
01:55 <QUARG> lol
01:55 <ct|kyle> exaclty,
01:55 <QUARG> divided by 100
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing nasa's really expert at is spending money
01:56 <QUARG> im not sure were this google spreadsheet is
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> docs.google.com
01:56 <ct|kyle> do you have a google e-mail?
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> if you have a gmail account, you can use that
01:56 <QUARG> nope
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think you can register for a google docs account with your regular email address
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> gmail gives pop access, though :)
01:57  * Lucifer_arma uses gmail for his domain email services
01:57 <ct|kyle> i like my google homepage. the only way i check my e-mail
01:59 <QUARG> bah they dont support safari
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> they say they don't, but I've used it in safari
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'd recommend tossing firefox anyway, they support it very well
02:02 <ct|kyle> ive seen it crash IE
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02:07 <QUARG> then how do i get by the error page that they send me to?
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02:08 <ct|kyle> Get firefox
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't use to have that error page :(
02:16 <QUARG> i hate firefox
02:17 <QUARG> ill start by compiling the list on paper
02:17 <ct|kyle> hmm maybe i can make my server uesful
02:18 <ct|kyle> i still have to load it, but...
02:18 <ct|kyle> it is setting here inactive
02:28 <QUARG> which server? web server?
02:29 <QUARG> we have to consider system redundacy into the equasion
02:29 <ct|kyle> i can be
02:29 <QUARG> i would like to get my php for the id stats working
02:29 <ct|kyle> it has been
02:29 <luke-jr> hey
02:29 <luke-jr> ct|kyle:
02:29 <luke-jr> I hear you love Apple
02:29 <ct|kyle> every reboot of that server it lost the net
02:30 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work Apple
02:30 <armabot> ♪ Apple is obsolete. ♫
02:30 <luke-jr> FireFox < Safari
02:30 <GodTodd> anyone want to trade for my flu?
02:30 <luke-jr> but gmail > most
02:31 <QUARG> nope got my own godtodd
02:31 <GodTodd> dammit :(
02:32 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: i'll trade you my Death for it
02:34 <luke-jr> what does 're-res' mean with regard to fortress?
02:34 <ct|kyle> re respawn
02:35 <ct|kyle> or lucke jr is an asshat would work too
02:35 <ct|kyle> luke*
02:35 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean?
02:36 <ct|kyle> that the person is a noob and thinks that it is styball in which they wanted respanwend
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it means "kick me, I'm a dick"
02:37 <ct|kyle> #kick luke-jr
02:37 <armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
02:37 <ct|kyle> :D
02:37 <luke-jr> O.o
02:37 <luke-jr> but wtf does it mean
02:37 <luke-jr> "Are we able to run fortress type settings with re-res?"
02:37 <luke-jr> I don't get what he's asking
02:38 <ct|kyle> is means information technology
02:38 <ct|kyle> it*
02:38 <luke-jr> …
02:38 <ct|kyle> you asked
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03:47  * GodTodd just finished manually forwarding 20 emails :/
04:12 <Lucifer> ?
04:15 <Lucifer> why did you manually forward 20 emails?
04:17 <GodTodd> because my school doesn't have forwarding
04:19 <GodTodd> and i don't want to have to log in to their system to "study" my terms for the test
04:26 <Lucifer> aha
04:26 <Lucifer> still not sure what that means, but ok :)
04:27 <GodTodd> humanities...our tests are based on terms from the chapters she's not covering...and our job is to make jeopardy with the terms and send our questions to everyone in class to study
04:45 <Lucifer> aha, so you had to login and forward the emails you received
04:45 <GodTodd> exactamundo
04:45 <GodTodd> :)
04:47 <GodTodd> that and to keep a record of my grades in that class (she sends them in email)
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06:08 <Lucifer> damn, I forgot about the imaging subsystem
06:08 <Lucifer> I guess that's part of sensors
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07:12 <Misery762> Hmmm...  Never been in the IRC chat before.  And I've been playing this game for years now.  :D
07:12 <luke-jr> n00b
07:12 <MrBougo> hehe
07:12 <MrBougo> morning!
07:12 <Misery762> Hiya!
07:13 <luke-jr> come play freeciv
07:13 <Misery762> Yup.  I'm an IRC noob thru and thru.  lol
07:13 <MrBougo> lal luke-jr
07:13 <MrBougo> come play freeciv and buy me 3 arma server
07:13 <MrBougo> s
07:13 <luke-jr> Misery762: want a low-lag server⁇
07:13 <luke-jr> :D
07:13 <MrBougo> see,
07:13 <Misery762> Hmmm..  I remember Lucifer talking about that game.  I'll go check it out.
07:13 <MrBougo> haha luke, pwnt
07:13 <luke-jr> uh oh, taking advice from Lucifer
07:13 <MrBougo> pwntpwntpwnt
07:13 <luke-jr> Misery762: shall we wait for you then?
07:13 <Lucifer> heya mis
07:14 <Misery762> Well... He mentioned it on the forums.
07:14 <luke-jr> Misery762: hurry plz
07:14 <Misery762> Sup Super D!  Been a while!
07:14 <MrBougo> roffles
07:14 <Lucifer> hey, I heard you crashed a motorcycle.  Was that rumor or fact?
07:14 <Misery762> MOTORCYCLE????
07:14 <Misery762> Noooo...
07:14 <Lucifer> yeah, motorcycle
07:14 <luke-jr> lol
07:14 <luke-jr> Misery762: you coming?
07:14 <Lucifer> long hospital visit, never be able to walk, etc.
07:14 <Misery762> I was hit by a car on my mountain bike.
07:14 <MrBougo> luke, be patient
07:14 <Lucifer> ah, wait, that might have been it
07:15 <Lucifer> it was definitely a two-wheeled accident I heard about :)
07:15 <luke-jr> MrBougo: not unless  I know there's something to be patient for!
07:15 <MrBougo> ow ow ow Misery762
07:15 <Lucifer> so what happened?
07:15 <luke-jr> Misery762: that must have hurt
07:15 <Misery762> But yeah.  Been trying to get better, but the damage is too much.
07:15 <Lucifer> (good thing I didn't repeat it, I'd have contributed to bad rumor-mongering)
07:15 <Misery762> Don't think I'll be running a marathon any time soon.
07:15 <MrBougo> aww
07:15 <Lucifer> walking?
07:16 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:16 <Misery762> Well... I was for about 1 1/2  months.  But I got bad again out of the blus and back in the dame wheelchair.
07:16 <Misery762> ANd my typing STILL sucks.  lol
07:16 <Lucifer> ooo, that sucks.  nerve damage or just tore up bones and shit?
07:17 <MrBougo> not as much as lmiune!
07:17 <MrBougo> mine!$
07:17 <Misery762> Mostly arthritic.
07:17 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:17 <luke-jr> Misery762: please let me know if you will be coming or not
07:17 <MrBougo> luke-jr: what if I come
07:17 <luke-jr> MrBougo: sure
07:17 <MrBougo> well
07:17 <MrBougo> think of it very hard and i might be there in a while
07:17 <Lucifer> luke still trying to get a civ game going?
07:18 <Lucifer> hey mis, here's a fast path to walking, running even.
07:18 <Lucifer> play civ with luke
07:18 <Misery762> I would Luke.  But I have tendonitis in my rught hand from playing a marathon 3 day sessi0on of Bass.  lol
07:18 <Lucifer> he has a way of just running people off
07:18 <MrBougo> 3 day session? wtf?
07:19 <Misery762> Well... Not all at once.  lol
07:19 <luke-jr> wtf?
07:19 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:19 <MrBougo> :p
07:19 <Misery762> But hard and heavy for 3 days.
07:19 <Lucifer> band?  or just playing?
07:19 <Misery762> Not used to bass.
07:19 <Misery762> No band.  Just me.
07:19 <MrBougo> i wonder how many people think that their laptop is also a scanner
07:20 <luke-jr> …
07:20 <Lucifer> man, I haven't touched a musical instrument in months
07:20 <MrBougo> it really looks like it would go lasery and stuff if you close it with some paper on they keyb
07:20 <Lucifer> well, I played my harmonica a couple of weeks ago driving to school
07:20 <MrBougo> ehe
07:21 <Misery762> I still have all your music fro  your site from...  last year I think?
07:21 <Lucifer> been awhile, I took a lot of it down for some reason, intending to reconstruct the site somewhere else, and still haven't done that
07:21 <Misery762> Choc choc choc....  WHITE Chocolate!!!!
07:21 <MrBougo> ??????
07:21 <Lucifer> man, that song would be a hit if I made a video for it
07:21 <Misery762> hahahaha
07:22 <Lucifer> and cared about making hits
07:22 <MrBougo> omg where can i d/l this?
07:22 <Lucifer> then I'd get sued by nestle or someone
07:22 <Misery762> Most likely.  lol
07:22 <Lucifer> hmmm, I think that song's still up there
07:22 <MrBougo> by some belgian company
07:22 <luke-jr> nestle should die
07:22 <MrBougo> with you
07:22 <Lucifer> http://www.davefancella.com/hobbies.html  <--- scroll down a little, it's called "Melts in your mouth"
07:23 <MrBougo> yuck :p
07:23 <Misery762> I always wondered what happened to Raul Duke.  He had some interesting music.
07:23 <MrBougo> does he play tron?
07:23 <Misery762> Not anymore.
07:23 <MrBougo> ohµ
07:23 <Lucifer> nah, he got sick of us and quit
07:23 <luke-jr> I lost a server to WoW ☹
07:24 <Lucifer> hey mis, want to build a lunar rover?
07:24 <Misery762> Christ...  Now I nave the Leeroy Jenkins battle cry in my head now, Luke.  lol
07:25 <luke-jr> wtf?
07:25 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18054&start=0  <--- there you go, let's build a lunar rover :)
07:25 <Misery762> Well...  I don't think anyone from NASA would use it.   But SURE.  :D
07:25 <luke-jr> Google
07:25 <MrBougo> omglol
07:25 <Lucifer> it's not for NASA :P
07:25 <MrBougo> i was fixing some friend's computer
07:25 <MrBougo> an old dell
07:25 <MrBougo> 12 gigs harddrive
07:25 <MrBougo> 100 megs left
07:25 <luke-jr> omg MrBougo
07:26 <luke-jr> won't Dell sue you for that?⁉
07:26 <Lucifer> omglolbbqstfu!
07:26 <MrBougo> i cleaned up the temporary internet files, and now there's like 6 gigs free space
07:26 <Lucifer> porn
07:26 <luke-jr> lol
07:26 <Lucifer> that's what that is :)
07:26 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i'd say the guarantee is triple outdated
07:26 <MrBougo> Lucifer: i doubt this, seriously
07:26 <luke-jr> MrBougo: but only they're allowed to service their machines, right?⁉
07:26 <Lucifer> bahahaha
07:26 <MrBougo> dunno luke-jr
07:26 <Lucifer> jonathan changed his avatar :)
07:27 <MrBougo> so i have to ask dell to increase the speed of my mouse pointer?
07:27 <Misery762> Yeah, What was the dael with the old avatar of his???
07:27 <Misery762> deal*
07:27 <luke-jr> yeah
07:27 <Lucifer> anyway, Misery762 (hi there!) , it's a serious question about the lunar rover
07:27 <luke-jr> and to reboot
07:27 <luke-jr> or install programs
07:27 <Lucifer> that link has just about everything in it so far
07:27 <Lucifer> sorry you came in so late, but I have to go to bed :/
07:27 <luke-jr> if you don't let them do it, they lose money from your business
07:28 <Lucifer> good seeing you, glad to hear you're still kicking!
07:28 <luke-jr> that's gotta be illegal
07:28 <Misery762> Well...  Lemme go over the thread to see whatit's about.
07:28 <Lucifer> or some reasonable facsimile thereof
07:28 <Misery762> ok man!  ttyl.
07:28  * MrBougo listening: chocolate  [0:06/3:41] 116kbps - 44Khz
07:28 <Misery762> Hhahahahaah!!!
07:29 <MrBougo> wth
07:29 <Misery762> Well... I should get going myself.  But now I know where you guys lurk.  lol.   Take care.  :D
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07:30 <MrBougo> mh
07:32 <MrBougo> <DELETE>
07:37 <luke-jr> DCC SEND STRING 0 0 0 ☺
07:38 <MrBougo> luke-jr: ?
07:38 <luke-jr> supposedly that causes some routers to drop a connection
07:38 <MrBougo> well
07:39 <MrBougo> this didnt drop anything
07:40 <luke-jr> nope
07:41 <MrBougo> it's more like this, luke
07:41 <MrBougo> DCC SEND anylongrandomstringhere
07:41 <MrBougo> 15+ chars
07:41 <MrBougo> and it has probly been fixed so far
07:41 <luke-jr> maybe for people who didn't upgrade their routers
07:42 <MrBougo> indeed
07:42 <luke-jr> err, who did
07:42 <MrBougo> me
07:43 <MrBougo> and i'm not using linksys nor netgear
07:43 <luke-jr> …
07:43 <luke-jr> civ
07:44 <MrBougo> nope
07:44 <MrBougo> my belkin router won't let me play
07:44 <MrBougo> heh, sometimes it bugs :/
07:44 <MrBougo> omfg
07:44 <MrBougo> there's a mini fault in my belkin :/
07:45 <MrBougo> sometimes it sends me the file http://<ipfromtherouter>/cgi-bin/restart.exe
07:45 <MrBougo> it seems to be the program rebooting the router
07:45 <MrBougo> and if i call this url and log in, the router reboots
07:45 <luke-jr> why what?
07:45 <MrBougo> oh i have to login
07:45 <MrBougo> nvm
07:46 <MrBougo> well, for some reason it sends me the .exe
07:46 <luke-jr> [01:48:36] <MrBougo> my belkin router won't let me play
07:46 <MrBougo> oh
07:46 <MrBougo> that wasnt serious
07:46 <luke-jr> then come play
07:46 <luke-jr> :D
07:46 <MrBougo> did i write "wasnt"?
07:46 <MrBougo> sorry i meant was
07:46 <MrBougo> :D
07:47 <luke-jr> liar
07:47 <MrBougo> did someone ping me?
07:47 <luke-jr> no
07:48 <MrBougo> 1193986332
07:48 <MrBougo> was that randomly chosen? or is it some encoded time
07:48 <MrBougo> 1193986366
07:48 <MrBougo> oh yes, that's the time something
07:48 <MrBougo> wait
07:49 <MrBougo> posix time
08:02 <MrBougo> #ping
08:02 <MrBougo> #help
08:02 <armabot> pong
08:02 <armabot> MrBougo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
08:02 <MrBougo> heh
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09:07 <cusco> yo!
09:32 <MrBougo> #ping
09:32 <armabot> pong
09:42 <tramshed> my sandwich is ridiculously tasty.
09:53 <MrBougo> is it?
09:53 <MrBougo> tramshed: is cybercuntz dead?
09:54 <tramshed> yeah
09:55 <tramshed> cops got involved
09:55 <tramshed> you need something hosted again
09:55 <tramshed> I can put it on my personal site, but its not the fastest
09:55 <tramshed> guess swastikas are illegal if you are on probation
09:55 <tramshed> my guy has to go to anger management and racism classes now because of the home page
09:56 <tramshed> which sucks for him, but at the same time is completely hilarious
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13:26  * epsy needs testers
13:26 <epsy> bugfarm clone :d
13:27 <epsy> #sd drug
13:27 <armabot> epsy: Sex, drugs and Sumo: No online players.
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14:42 <spidey> http://www.proprofs.com/flashcards/cardshowall.php?cardid=5677 i love how every single science book i've got is on there
14:44 <spidey> in order, actually
14:44 <spidey> the answers that is..
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18:30 <MaZuffeR> #weather turku
18:30 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 35.6°F (7:20 PM EET on November 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
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21:43 <epsy> jeez...gimp wont import any jped file
21:44 <epsy> s/d/g
21:45 <deja_vu> o.O
21:45  * deja_vu hits epsy's gimp with a spidey 
21:45 <epsy> O.o
21:45 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: enabled jpeg useflag when emerging?
21:46 <epsy> well, i get a preview etc
21:46 <[CH]DarkStar> the preview is done in the gtk dialog thing, not in gimp
21:46 <[CH]DarkStar> i think
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21:47 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: equery uses gimp
21:47 <epsy>  + + jpeg    : Adds JPEG image support
21:47 <[CH]DarkStar> well
21:48 <[CH]DarkStar> then something is screwed up
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21:48  * epsy emerge -C gimp
21:48 <[CH]DarkStar> no
21:48 <epsy> too late :P
21:49 <[CH]DarkStar> remerge media-libs/jpeg and media-libs/libexif
21:49 <[CH]DarkStar> -.-
21:55 <epsy> what the ...
21:55 <epsy>  * ERROR: media-gfx/gimp-2.4.0_rc3 failed.
21:55 <epsy>  *   gimp-2.4.0_rc3.ebuild, line 60:   Called built_with_use 'media-libs/alsa-lib' 'midi'
21:55 <epsy>  * media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.11-r1 does not actually support the midi USE flag!
21:55 <epsy> wtf has gimp to do with alsa ???
21:56 <[CH]DarkStar> good question
21:57 <epsy> media-gtf/gimp -alsa :P
22:02 <[CH]DarkStar> does that really do it?
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> gimp doesn't even have alsa useflag
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> at least here
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> and why are you emerging 2.4.0_rc3?
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> there is 2.4.0
22:03 <[CH]DarkStar> rc3 is older than that :P
22:04 <epsy> nah...i don't update my portage tree all the time
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> only once in a decade?
22:04 <epsy> their servers are so laggu
22:04 <epsy> *laggy
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> wrong
22:04 <[CH]DarkStar> your connection is
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> and holy crap... new gimp has alsa useflag indeed
22:05 <epsy> gna gna gna
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> i still had 2.2.x xD
22:05 <epsy> gna gna gna
22:05 <epsy> xD
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> evil frenchy you
22:05 <[CH]DarkStar> :P
22:05 <epsy> :D
22:06 <[CH]DarkStar> with that evil language
22:06 <epsy> monsieur!
22:06 <[CH]DarkStar> je ne parle pas francais
22:06 <epsy> Je ne l'entends pas de cette oreille
22:07 <[CH]DarkStar> whatever that means :P
22:08 <epsy> in this context...nothing
22:08 <[CH]DarkStar> i thought so
22:08 <epsy> *evilface*
22:08 <[CH]DarkStar> but my french is horrible
22:09 <epsy> bff...we need you singing some french some...then get legit to sing the same song...we'ill see which sings the worst in french :P
22:09 <epsy> *french song
22:10 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, http://youtube.com/results?search_query=legit+singing&search=Search
22:10 <epsy> if you missed that :P
22:14 <[CH]DarkStar> i might watch 'em later
22:14 <[CH]DarkStar> i have to check my collection of floppy disks xD
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22:17 <cusco> http://www.familyguynow.com/watch.php?id=428
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22:21 <epsy> finally finished syncing portage's tree
22:21 <epsy> 16 mins
22:21 <epsy> woa...
22:22 <[CH]DarkStar> takes like 2 minutes here
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23:05 <z-man> woo, 19000 FPS in glxgears
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23:06 <ct|kyle> z-man: like your new PC?
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23:11 <[CH]DarkStar> z-man: what gfx?
23:16 <z-man> Yeah, the new one with a GeForce 7900 GTX
23:17 <z-man> and default window geometry, which is something like 320x200 :)
23:18 <epsy> #sd bugfarm
23:18 <armabot> epsy: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: No online players.
23:18 <epsy> #tea
23:18 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
23:18 <epsy> O_o
23:18 <z-man> Now I just have to figure out how to repair the Windows installation, grrrrrrr
23:18 <epsy> #onlineservers
23:18 <epsy> lol
23:18 <armabot> epsy: This data is 11 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10/14), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (10/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Norm's Place (9/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (8/14), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7/12), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (6/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), Swampland II (5/8), WILDCAT (2 more messages)
23:19 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-11-03-002400.png :P
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