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Log from 2007-10-07:
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01:12 <flex-> lmao
01:12 <flex-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h863nXDqCM0
01:12 <flex-> Chris Crocker
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01:37 <epsy> ew
01:41 <flex-> epsy! where were you.. your team had a game today :P
01:41 <epsy> i know
01:42 <epsy> i was at some frind's home ;p
01:42 <epsy> 100-20 -.-
01:42 <epsy> can't believe it
01:42 <flex-> your fault? :P
01:43 <epsy> O8o
01:43 <epsy> O_o *
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02:12 <DrJoeTron> yo
02:13 <ghableska> hey joe
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03:00 <flex-> banning/kicking feature is just seriously pathetic..
03:29 <Khalsa> iptables ftw
03:30 -!- flex- is now known as flex
03:30 <flex> omg yay
03:31 <flex> finally that guy got off lol
03:31 <flex> he was idle for almost 20days
03:31 <flex> 500hours or something idle time
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you register the nickname so you can ghost him next time?
03:32 <flex> i have to drop the nick
03:32 <flex> no staff on
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?  registration is automatic....
03:32 <Lucifer_arma>  /msg NickServ help
03:32 <flex> not when the name is taken
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> then you shouldn't be using it :)
03:32 <flex> but the user that was on the current name wasn't idinitfed to it
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's why my name is Lucifer_arma
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> some people only identify with nickserv when they need to
03:33 <flex> he wasn't actually logged int to the name
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> some people only identify with nickserv when they need to
03:33 <Khalsa> naw, flex can more than easily get that nick
03:33 <flex> my fault? :P
03:34 <Khalsa> you can also get Lucifer if you want it Lucifer_arma
03:34 <Khalsa> just change nicks to it and get a staffer to drop it for you
03:34 <flex> anyways Lucifer, what's up with the ban/kick feature in tron?
03:34 -!- Khalsa is now known as Lucifer
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> they'll only do that if the name isn't used
03:34 <Lucifer> you want it?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> flex: what about it?
03:34 <flex> it sucks :P
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not being used, then sure
03:34 <Lucifer> lemme go get it dropped for you
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> but if it's being used, I don't want it :)
03:35 <flex> there's no staff on I believe
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03:36 <Lucifer> Lucifer_arma: i'm gonna change nicks back to khalsa, you please change nick to Lucifer after that and register it ASAP ok?
03:36 <flex> he dropped it^^
03:37 <Lucifer> Lucifer_arma: ready? (I dont want you to lose it)
03:37 <Lucifer> bah I g2g though, good luck
03:37 -!- Lucifer is now known as Gursikh
03:38 -!- noob7 is now known as Lucifer
03:38 <Lucifer> hm
03:39 <flex> congratulations :P
03:39 <Lucifer> :D
03:39 -!- Lucifer is now known as noob7
03:41 <noob7> looks like the nick isnt used, khalsa and me are the only two showing up on a /whowas
03:43 <noob7> if I were you Lucifer, I'd grab it... then you can have "Lucifer", "Lucifer_work" and "Lucifer_arma" ;)
03:43 <DrJoeTron> and Lucifer_fuckface
03:44 <noob7> ...would work as well
03:44 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Lucifer
03:44 <flex> Lucifer_arma, but what exactly is going on with the bannning feature with armagetron?
03:45 <noob7> flex, default is set to: 2 kicks = 1h ban - if I am not mistaken
03:45 <flex> I'm talking about dynamic IP abusing
03:46 <noob7> meh, if someone was kicked twice which resulted in a ban, he/she will be kicked/banned again anyways
03:46 <noob7> it's a scare-tactic more or less
03:46 <Lucifer> heh, well thanks Khalsa
03:46 <Lucifer> the name was taken when I first arrived, I'd assumed it was active
03:47 <noob7> but did he actually get it dropped? it really looks unused, /whowas just shows the two of us
03:47 <noob7> if it was used I am sure the "real" Lucifer will contact you anyways...
03:47 <Lucifer> if it was being used, nickserv wouldn't have let me register it
03:48 <flex> Khalsa went and got it dropped hehe :P
03:48 <flex> there was an admin :P
03:48 <noob7> oh :(
03:48 <Lucifer> the point is staff isn't supposed to drop a nick that's being actively used
03:49 <noob7> guess they didnt check up on that
03:49 <Lucifer> so whoever was using it before probably won't even show up asking for it because he hasn't been around long enough to keep the name active
03:49 <Lucifer> why do you say that?
03:49 <noob7> just assuming
03:49 <Lucifer> well, I'm assuming too, but it says on Freenode's website that they do check on that stuff
03:49 <Lucifer> they have a real policy about it
03:50 <noob7> you are probably right
03:50 <Lucifer> well, if I'm not, and he shows up, I'll give it back.  I'm not trying to steal names from people, but I would like to not have the _arma suffix anymore
03:50 <flex> well i spoke about the name "flex" and the guy was fine on dropping it as soon as I could get the name.. as the guy on the name wasn't actually logged in..
03:51 <noob7> flex, wow... that means not bnc'ed users are out of luck if you get the "right" admin on freenode?
03:51 <flex> so maybe he just wasn't logged but I guess if he wants it back he'll register it when I'm off :P
03:51 <flex> probably the case noob7
03:51 <flex> [02:37] <Lucifer> Hi, can any kind staffer please drop this nick for me ? ^_^
03:51 <flex> [02:37] <Dave2> Lucifer, done
03:52 <noob7> wtf? within the same minute...
03:52 <Lucifer> well I registered it as soon as I saw he'd done it, and then linked it to Lucifer_arma
03:52 <flex> seriously I don't see any harm in this..
03:52 <noob7> flex, as long as someone is able to get the nick back
03:53 <Lucifer> the harm is if someone is still actively using the name and you borrow it for awhile
03:53 <noob7> this can cause takeovers (if chanserv isnt around) rather quickly
03:53 <Lucifer> the reason there's a nickserv in the first place is from people abusing the "feature" and impersonating people
03:53 <noob7> (and if dumb ops are around for that matter...)
03:53 <Lucifer> and causing trouble
03:54 <flex> I thought it was mostly just for not causing trouble
03:55 <flex> the guy using flex was idle for 500hours haha. :P
03:55 <Lucifer> just using an active name that's not yours can cause trouble is my point
03:55 <Lucifer> I'm not saying you shouldn't use the name if it's really clear to you that it's not taken
03:55 <noob7> well... idling for 500h - I don't see any harm in dropping that name then
03:56 <flex> yeah I know, if he was just not logged in and actually was registered I guess he owns it
03:56 <Lucifer> just that there's a reason for the name protection stuff freenode's got :)
03:56 <Lucifer> well if he really does have it, he'll come back and ghost you
03:56 <noob7> ghosting a nick assumes the pwd wasnt changed
03:56 <Lucifer> you shouldn't register a name and then not use it, so if you do so, you should expect someone to take it :)
03:56 <flex> he's most probably an bot or something
03:56 <noob7> and since you registered it after it being dropped
03:57 <Lucifer> bots should give up their names for people that want them
03:57 <noob7> but a bot idling for 500h?
03:57 <Lucifer> logging bots will do that
03:57 <noob7> true
03:57 <noob7> or relay bots
03:57 <Lucifer> hell, guru3 probably does that
03:57 <flex> it was probably a bot
03:58 <Lucifer> but a bot should give up his name for a person that wants the name :)
03:58 <flex> exactly
03:58 <Lucifer> if you really don't want your bots to have to give up their names, give them names people don't want ;)
03:58 -!- noob7 is now known as noobbot
03:58 <noobbot> registered
03:58 <noobbot> damn
03:58 -!- noobbot is now known as noob7
03:58 <Lucifer> heh
03:58 <Lucifer> armabot's registered too
03:59 <noob7> but armabot is not a nick that a lot of people would want
03:59 <Lucifer> nobody would want it, the name is registered so armabot can do /msg
03:59 <flex> well if i'm asleep and someone named flex2 comes in here ranting for his name back direct them to me :P
03:59 <Lucifer> nah, we'll pretend not to know what's going on and that you've been using the name for years
03:59 <Lucifer> :)
03:59 <noob7> this actually pisses me off, non registered useres not being able to /msg
03:59 <flex> haha
04:00 <Lucifer> noob7: that's yet another thing that is intended to solve a problem that isn't here because it's been solved
04:00 <Lucifer> remove the solution, the problem will come back :)
04:00 <flex> what you want to get "hey check this hot chick out at www.pornoblabla.org.sffewf.ew"
04:00 <noob7> maybe true, but then again I wasnt on efnet in quite a while and therefor am not used to the /msg spam anymore
04:00 <noob7> ;)
04:01 <noob7> there has to be some scripts to "whitelist" ppl to /msg you...
04:01 <noob7> or maybe just implement it server-side for registered ppl
04:02 <Lucifer> the point is to make everybody do a little thing that's a tad inconvenient to prove they're not going to spam/stalk people
04:02 <Lucifer> so implementing methods to get around it just asks for new ways for the problem to come back
04:02 <Lucifer> and requires work on the server side, which is the opposite of what's desired
04:02 <Lucifer> typically, I don't know if that's what freenode's thinking
04:03 <Lucifer> it's like a captcha, prove you're not a bot
04:03 <noob7> but it kept me from running a bot on freenode yet...
04:03 <noob7> because I am noob with tcl
04:03 <Lucifer> only in irc, bots are wanted, so you have to do some extra work with bots
04:03 <Lucifer> look, it's not that hard to run a supybot, and buildbot's irc handler can also identify with nickserv
04:04 <Lucifer> just get the bot you want, make sure it'll identify with nickserv, then register the nick yourself and configure the bot
04:04 <Lucifer> it's just one extra step, and it's not terribly difficult to do either
04:04 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa++
04:04 <noob7> yeah, just havent figured out how to do that with an eggie yet
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Khalsa++ has neutral karma.
04:04 <Lucifer> Khalsa++
04:04 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Khalsa has neutral karma.
04:04 <noob7> but like I said, I am noob ;)
04:04 <Lucifer> #list karma
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
04:04 <Lucifer> armabot: Khalsa++
04:05 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa
04:05 <armabot> Lucifer: Karma for "Khalsa" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
04:05 <Lucifer> ah, there we go
04:05  * noob7 goes back to instructables and a last beer, 4am already
04:06 <Lucifer> armabot: wrtlprnft++
04:06 <Lucifer> armabot: wrtlprnft++
04:06 <Lucifer> twice, for the karma plugin :)
04:07 <noob7> #karma wrtlprnft
04:07 <armabot> noob7: Karma for "wrtlprnft" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
04:07 <noob7> armabot: noob7++
04:07 <armabot> noob7: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
04:07 <noob7> :D
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04:08 <noob8> armabot: noob7++
04:08 <noob8> armabot: noob7++
04:08 -!- noob8 is now known as noob7
04:09 <Lucifer> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071004-419ers-busted-2-1-billion-in-fraudulent-checks-snatched.html
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> #karma noob7
04:11 <armabot> Lucifer: Karma for "noob7" has been increased 2 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -1.
04:14 <Lucifer> http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071005_kaguya_e.html
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04:29 <DrJoeTron> man vicodin rocks
04:29 <Lucifer> yes it does
04:29 <DrJoeTron> i got all of my wisdom teeth pulled yesturday
04:29 <DrJoeTron> and i feel great
04:29 <Lucifer> if the dentist always gives vicodin when I go see him, he'll be my best friend
04:29 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
04:45 <Lucifer> http://www.cafepress.com/armadilloaero.129946258
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06:16 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
06:16 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
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06:41 <MrBougo> hello
07:08 <GodTodd> grrrr
07:08 <MrBougo> ?
07:08 <MrBougo> i'm happy
07:08 <GodTodd> i'm not
07:08 <MrBougo> i can run nexuiz with ultimate quality
07:08 <GodTodd> :)
07:08 <MrBougo> and i get 760 fps
07:08 <MrBougo> 60*
07:09 <MrBougo> why arent you
07:09 <GodTodd> i suddenly can't see any of my smb shares :/
07:09 <MrBougo> :(
07:09 <GodTodd> just from my laptop tho
07:09 <GodTodd> the kitchen machine sees them fine
07:11 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a smb viewer
07:11 <armabot> I have sent a smb viewer to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
07:11 <GodTodd> heh
07:11 <GodTodd> it was working fine
07:11 <GodTodd> then all of a sudden it can't find any workgroup computers on my local network
07:11 <Lucifer> hey, you missed a great freeciv game last night
07:12 <GodTodd> did i?
07:12 <Lucifer> yeah, it was actually fun :)
07:12 <GodTodd> heh
07:12 <Lucifer> spidey and I nuked the living piss out of luke
07:12 <GodTodd> ah..the magic word that means i'm not sorry i missed it
07:12 <Lucifer> he went in from one side, and I went in from the other, and we converged on luke's capital
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <Lucifer> ?  you're not sorry you missed nuking luke?
07:13 <MrBougo> lol
07:13 <Lucifer> at the end, I was able to take like 12 cities with one unit
07:13 <GodTodd> i've already vowed that i will never play any game with luke-jr
07:13 <MrBougo> haha
07:13 <GodTodd> and i plan to stick to it :)
07:13 <Lucifer> not even if you get to nuke him?
07:13 <MrBougo> why do you all team up vs luke
07:13 <GodTodd> not even then
07:13 <MrBougo> and the main question
07:13 <MrBougo> why does he play with you guys
07:13 <Lucifer> this time it ws necessity, MrBougo
07:13 <MrBougo> hehe
07:14 <GodTodd> because he has no real friends so he looks for any sense of belonging?
07:14 <Lucifer> I went in intending to attack spidey, but two of the ais came after us at the same time and we had to ally to survive it
07:14 <MrBougo> the hell!
07:14 <Lucifer> then we were strong allies and got bored fighting the ais and nuked luke instead
07:15 <Lucifer> but luke had allied with the two ais that were fighting us, and we had allied with the two ais that luke was fighting
07:15 <GodTodd> i just pretty much got tired of his childish "power plays" and decided this life is too short to deal with that shit :)
07:15 <MrBougo> nuke your luke!
07:15 <Lucifer> I don't blame you, but fighting luke in freeciv is slightly more entertaining than fighting an ai
07:16 <Lucifer> at least when it's luke, you get some satisfaction knowing there's a real person at the other end who's losing
07:16 <Lucifer> we have a savegame that's just me vs him where after the initial resistance, his whole civ basically collapsed
07:16 <GodTodd> yeah...but the peace of mind i get from not dealing with him is far superior to beating him in a game :)
07:16 <Lucifer> all that's left is the remaining housecleaning
07:17 <Lucifer> still, at the rate he's currently improving in freeciv, in about 3-4 years he might be a pretty tough opponent
07:18 <GodTodd> heh
07:18 <Lucifer> really.  His initial resistance when I finally invaded him was pretty strong, it just wasn't strong enough
07:18 <Lucifer> see, we'd setup lines of muskets (later riflemen)
07:18 <Lucifer> his resistance was enough to get his border city destroyed, but he never challenged my line
07:18 <MrBougo> brb
07:19 <Lucifer> ideally, he would've pushed back the invaders (or stepped around them, which is what I would have done) and redressed his line
07:19 <MrBougo> oh no not brb
07:19 <Lucifer> to stop the invaders from being reinforced
07:20 <Lucifer> anyway, his line was broken from the beginning.  Mine was all forts and rails, his was just fortified units.  I would have been surprised if he'd broken through my line
07:20 <Lucifer> but even if he had, he would've encountered a second line a few squares behind the first and had to break through *that* somehow
07:20 <Lucifer> the whole time suffering from auto-attack artillery from every nearby city
07:21 <Lucifer> man, now spidey and I need to do a head-to-head game
07:21 <Lucifer> probably end in nuclear winter, and the barbs would win, but could be interesting
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer> spidey would have pushed me back over my line and made me find a different way to attack :)
07:21 <GodTodd> ok...now that's fucked up....
07:22 <GodTodd> i went through "open location" in konq...and could see the shares...
07:22 <GodTodd> so i then went through the "remote" thingy and now i can see them again
07:22 <GodTodd> :/
07:22 <GodTodd> which means i can probably print again
07:23 <Lucifer> heh
07:23 <Lucifer> wireless is amazingly unreliable
07:23 <MrBougo> i'm using wireless
07:23 <GodTodd> that's the thing...it's just this stupid internal wireless shit
07:23 <MrBougo> :(
07:23 <GodTodd> the kitchen wireless is rock solid
07:24 <MrBougo> oh
07:24 <MrBougo> not the wireless kitchen
07:24 <MrBougo> i misread
07:24 <Lucifer> my wireless is rock solid too, except that it periodically drops connection
07:24 <Lucifer> but it never loses parts of the connection, it's all or nothing
07:24 <Lucifer> so if I can see my router, I can print on the printer
07:24 <Lucifer> cups daemon, though
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <GodTodd> i could ping everything too
07:24 <MrBougo> and if it interrupts while you're uploading to your printer
07:24 <MrBougo> does it send the missing packets?
07:24 <GodTodd> just couldn't browse it
07:25 <Lucifer> MrBougo: cups rejects the print job
07:25 <MrBougo> oh
07:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: are the samba shares hosted on a windows machine?
07:25 <GodTodd> two are...one isn;t
07:25 <GodTodd> isn't*
07:25 <Gursikh> Lucifer: the nick was created 2.5 years ago, and hadn't been used for 1+ years, freenode staff can drop any nick not used for 60 days
07:26 <Gursikh> or 90 days.... I dont remember now
07:26 <GodTodd> Stuff I'm Keeping 1 and 2 are on the win box upstairs
07:26 <Lucifer> Gursikh: ah, that makes sense
07:26 <GodTodd> Kitchen Stuff We're Keeping is on the kubuntu box
07:26 <Lucifer> I showed up here when it was still active :)
07:27 <GodTodd> anywho...i'll have to see if karen can see the shares again now too
07:27 <GodTodd> heh
07:27 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it's possible they were renegotiating shit (I forget the right terms used in smb), and you need to have one declare itself authoritative
07:28 <GodTodd> i've *almost* got her to where i can dual boot her laptop
07:28 <Lucifer> imagine a small collection of luke-jrs arguing over the true faith, that's what I mean
07:28 <GodTodd> so...one of them suddenly found god?
07:28 <Lucifer> man, I love being the techie in the house
07:28 <Lucifer> GodTodd: more like they all did at once and immediately set to arguing over it
07:28 <GodTodd> heh
07:29 <Lucifer> which is a summary of the entire history of religion :)
07:29 <GodTodd> but then wouldn't that have made an issue on the kitchen box seeing them too?
07:29 <Lucifer> not if it hadn't broken connection in the meantime
07:29 <GodTodd> ah
07:29 <GodTodd> ok
07:29 <GodTodd> that makes sense then
07:29 <Lucifer> because it already knew about them
07:29 <Lucifer> there's a setting in smb.conf to make your linux machine dominate the others
07:30 <GodTodd> i'll have to check into it then
07:30 <GodTodd> sometime
07:30 <Lucifer> in windows land there's fancy language used, but samba simplifies it
07:30 <GodTodd> i'm thinky thinking that i may need to start pricing barebones systems
07:31 <GodTodd> i have a sinking feeling the upstairs machine is near it's last legs
07:31 <Lucifer> heh
07:31 <Lucifer> I'm concerned my laptop is nearing the end of its service life
07:31 <GodTodd> not a bad run...i've had it over 7 years
07:31 <Lucifer> it's only a couple of years old, though!
07:31 <Lucifer> but the fan's rattling, hard drive's making clankity noises
07:31 <GodTodd> ewww
07:31 <GodTodd> my upstairs box has already been through one power supply
07:32 <Lucifer> yeah.  hard drive doesn't sound like it's toast yet, and it could just be getting old, but the noises are the same made on the path to failure
07:32 <Lucifer> my server's been through a power supply and a motherboard
07:32 <GodTodd> you get it free? or cheap?
07:32 <GodTodd> same mobo on my server
07:32 <Lucifer> laptop?
07:32 <GodTodd> yeah
07:32 <Lucifer> laptop I bought brand new
07:32 <GodTodd> wow
07:32 <GodTodd> what brand?
07:32 <Lucifer> heh
07:32 <Lucifer> Compaq
07:33 <GodTodd> aha
07:33 <Lucifer> Presario R3000
07:33 <GodTodd> :)
07:33 <Lucifer> it was damn near a fire sale, since the 64bit models were out and I got an older 32bit model
07:33 <GodTodd> i got this laptop brand new for $378 a couple years ago
07:33 <GodTodd> still running fine (need ram tho ;))
07:33 <Lucifer> in a way, I want my laptop to break so I can go buy a tablet PC to replace it
07:33 <Lucifer> the problem is I don't have the money to buy a replacement of any sort, so my wife's just going to say "tough shit"
07:34 <GodTodd> yep
07:34 <GodTodd> i just want this one to get me through school
07:34 <GodTodd> then i'ma get a good job and go top o' the line :)
07:34 <Lucifer> we bought this one with the intention of having it get me through school, and then retire it
07:34 <GodTodd> same here
07:34 <Lucifer> I hope it survives, really
07:35 <Lucifer> or I can replace it
07:35 <GodTodd> sat in line for hours for this fucker
07:35 <Lucifer> UT engineering students are required to have a laptop
07:35 <GodTodd> it'll go down with me fighting every step of the way
07:35 <GodTodd> :)
07:35 <Lucifer> heh
07:35 <Lucifer> I should probably price a replacement fan
07:35 <Lucifer> I already opened it up and cleaned it once
07:35 <GodTodd> fry's is probably the best bet
07:35 <Lucifer> that didn't help, the bearings dried up
07:36 <GodTodd> i'd also price a hdd
07:36 <GodTodd> and make sure backups are good and current :)
07:36 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I need to finish setting up my backup system
07:37 <Lucifer> well, if the hard drive goes south on me, I'm going to bring the 300GB usb drive out and throw an OS on it and use it for awhile
07:37 <Lucifer> or I'll switch to DSL on a pendrive, one of the two
07:37 <Lucifer> I've been slowly getting myself to where everything I use is kept somewhere else
07:37 <GodTodd> i could never get wireless working on DSL
07:37 <GodTodd> that's how i do stuff
07:37 <GodTodd> pretty much anything kept on the lappy is replaceable
07:37 <Lucifer> so DSL on a pendrive will probably work, and I'll do nfs when I'm home, the pendrive will have to suffice when I'm now
07:37 <Lucifer> *not
07:38 <Lucifer> well, easily the stuff I use is always kept in svn
07:38 <Lucifer> I just need to make sure it's all there, really
07:38 <Lucifer> then I can checkout, work, commit, and delete if space is important
07:38 <GodTodd> yep....better to be anal about backups than to lose shit you really really need :)
07:38 <Lucifer> yep
07:39 <Lucifer> problem with my backup drive is that it's slow, so it takes all night to backup two computers
07:39 <Gursikh> +clarkkkkson
07:39 <Lucifer> there isn't time to backup all three :(
07:39 <GodTodd> is that the usb drive?
07:39 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the usb drive
07:39 <Lucifer> it has a firewire plug, I need to look if my server has one
07:39 <Lucifer> I don't remember it having one, but I could be wrong
07:39 <GodTodd> i need to go through a hdd buying spree again
07:39 <GodTodd> i'm almost outta space
07:40 <Lucifer> hard drives are the one thing I always need but never manage to have the money for
07:40 <GodTodd> need a couple of those 750 GB jobbies
07:40 <Lucifer> it would be different if you could get decent sizes for $20
07:40 <GodTodd> yeah
07:40 <Lucifer> then I could buy a new one every month
07:40 <Lucifer> but no, you have to put down at least $50, and that gets you worthless crap
07:40 <GodTodd> generally you can get 1-200 GB for 80-100
07:40 <GodTodd> that's about as cheap as decent gets lately
07:41 <Lucifer> well, size isn't so important to me.  20GB drives would do me just fine, I'd be happy to shop in the low end there if I could get decent speed drives for $20-30
07:41 <Lucifer> because over time, the sizes in the low end would increase and I could just upgrade the ones I've got
07:42 <Lucifer> but since that's not what happens, I wind up generally shopping in the $120-$150 range, get the best bang for the buck, and then nurse it forever
07:42 <Gursikh> do what I do, get some decent cheap shared hosting, encrypt your files and rsync them acorss 3 different servers + one local usb drive
07:42 <Gursikh> very cost effective
07:42 <Gursikh> amazon s3 is also getting there
07:42 <Lucifer> but not independent
07:42 <Lucifer> I absolutely require that my data be stored in my home :)
07:43 <GodTodd> same here
07:43 <Gursikh> I absolutely require that I have some offsite backups in case my home burns down or blows up
07:43 <Lucifer> yeah, I've got a copy of all his data
07:43 <Lucifer> well, I figure if that happens, I'm screwed and my electronic data is the least of my worries
07:43 <Gursikh> i'm not
07:44 <Gursikh> My life is in electronic data, I could lose _almost_ all my physical stuff and recover
07:44 <Gursikh> if I lost all my data... i'd be royally screwed
07:44 <Lucifer> nevertheless, if I'm home and my house is on fire, I'm supposed to grab the usb drive when I evacuate
07:44 <Gursikh> and if you're not home?
07:44 <Lucifer> worth considering :)
07:44 <Gursikh> or if you're out of town and you get a call at 2 am that your house burned down?
07:45 <Lucifer> speaking of whiches, I've been wanting to hit up GodTodd for a reciprocal backup mirroring arrangement
07:45 <Lucifer> but it sounds like we probably don't have enough space together to pull it off
07:45 <GodTodd> we'll have to look into it....once we have more space of course :)
07:45 <GodTodd> i *could* probably free some up
07:46 <GodTodd> but this semester is kicking my ass for some reason
07:46 <Gursikh> or even greater chance of happening (happened to me): House is struck by lightnight and fries all your electornics, and of course it's at night while you're doing you backups, your drives are screwed over. How cost effective is it to attempt to recover that data form the borked drives than to redownload it from an offsite backup
07:46 <GodTodd> so i haven't had a chance to go through it all
07:46 <GodTodd> see...if we set up the mirroring arrangement...we'd *have* offsite backup :)
07:47 <GodTodd> a good 3.5 hours offsite
07:47 <Gursikh> do it defenitly
07:47 <Lucifer> Gursikh: the actual chances of my house being hit are very slim
07:47 <Gursikh> I thought that too :-(
07:47 <Lucifer> but fire is a more realistic possibility
07:47 <GodTodd> we have too many big trees here
07:47 <Gursikh> offsite backups ftw
07:47 <Lucifer> well, see, besides the large trees, my neighbor's got a flag pole, and there's several telephone polls nearby
07:47 <GodTodd> they'd get hit before my house would
07:47 <Gursikh> BOOM!
07:47 <Lucifer> but fire is much more realistic, because of the trees, and the houses being close to each other
07:48 <GodTodd> yeah
07:48 <GodTodd> fire is a real possibility
07:48 <GodTodd> especially since i installed my own stove ;)
07:48 <GodTodd> heh
07:48 <Lucifer> I forget the exact word for it, but the houses are literally built on the property lines to maximize population density
07:48 <GodTodd> stupid?
07:48 <GodTodd> :)
07:48 <Lucifer> heh
07:48 <Lucifer> worse yet, the houses are built long and skinny, so it almost looks like a neighborhood of trailers
07:49 <Gursikh> my friend has his usb drive built in to his car with a little mini-pc with wireless, with the sole activity of connecting to his home wireless when he parks and running sync scripts
07:49 <Gursikh> so he has backups everywhere he drives
07:49 <Gursikh> but he's a nutjob
07:49 <Lucifer> yeah :)
07:49 <Lucifer> well, so am I...
07:49 <GodTodd> i'd figure those would be the least safe of all...
07:49 <Lucifer> I try to keep my car in shape where there's nothing of value in it
07:49 <Gursikh> he also has like 210938430948324 HDD's and has pracically created a local cache of the freakin internet
07:50 <GodTodd> i have 4 server drives
07:50 <Lucifer> because having offsite backups in my car a) isn't real protection because if I *am* at home, so is my car, and b) if someone steals the backup, they now know everything about me
07:50 <GodTodd> i think it's around half a TB
07:50 <GodTodd> i need more :/
07:50 <Lucifer> I've only got 60GB in my server
07:50 <Gursikh> encryption ftw
07:50 <Lucifer> 60 in the desktop
07:51 <Lucifer> the desktop is a server, though, serves the ltsp client
07:51 <GodTodd> well...like i said...i'm sure a bunch of it is duplicate backup shit that i can merge
07:51 <Gursikh> Most people I know use full-disk encryption + individual file encryption
07:51 <GodTodd> just haven't looked into it that fully yet
07:52 <GodTodd> once i free up space i'ma set up full incremental backups so it's all safe and automatic
07:52 <Lucifer> I dont' trust encryption enough for that sort of work
07:52 <Gursikh> rsync is awesome
07:52 <GodTodd> nah...i don't encrypt either
07:52 <GodTodd> i just basically copy
07:53 <Lucifer> maybe as part of an overall defensive strategy, sure, but if that's the only thing stopping someone who's already physically in possession of my hard drive, I don't trust it
07:53 <Gursikh> well absoultely, it's just one more part of the overall security puzzle
07:53 <GodTodd> of course...i could follow halliburton's backup strategy and run a raid on workstation hdds
07:53 <GodTodd> ;)
07:54 <Gursikh> but for instance If my laptop was stolen, at least I know 99% of the criminals who steal laptops wont be able to easily get my data
07:54 <Lucifer> when I found that most of the data I kept on my hard drive was static, I started putting it on cds
07:54 <Lucifer> well, for a criminal to steal my laptop, he'd have to physically assault me
07:54 <Lucifer> or break into my house
07:54 <GodTodd> yeah...no one's getting my lappy
07:54 <Lucifer> when I take it places, it's a part of me
07:55 <Lucifer> the only time it ever leaves my sight is at home
07:55 <GodTodd> besides....the area i live in (as well as where the school is) everyone's lappy is better than mine anyways ;)
07:55 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the other thing :)
07:55 <Lucifer> nobody steals a laptop with missing keys
07:55 <GodTodd> mine's not missing anything...but i live in a snobby type town
07:55 <Lucifer> and the ext3 filesystem will stop most petty thieves anyway
07:55 <GodTodd> too damn many rich people here
07:56 <GodTodd> heh
07:56 <Gursikh> lol
07:56 <Lucifer> all they can do with that is reformat and stick winders on it
07:56 <GodTodd> we're lower middle class at 80K in this town
07:56 <Lucifer> heh
07:56 <Gursikh> yeash
07:56 -!- hoop_tron [n=john@ip-195-14.sn2.eutelia.it] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
07:56 <GodTodd> possibly upper lower class
07:56 <Lucifer> I'm in the island of lower middle class surrounded by really rich people
07:57 <Gursikh> on that note I must sleep, night Lucifer_nonarma
07:57 <Lucifer> hell, Dennis Quaid lives in the neighborhood that's right next to me
07:57 <Lucifer> 'night Gursikh
07:57 <GodTodd> cya Gursikh
07:57 <Gursikh> night god
07:57 <GodTodd> michael irvin lives here in plano
07:57 <GodTodd> got busted the other month for drugs in his car
07:57 <spidey> Lucifer: no _arma? o.o
07:58 <Lucifer> so, after several years of explaining the _arma, now I'm going to have to explain why it's gone?
07:58 <GodTodd> probably
07:58 <GodTodd> people fear change
07:58 <GodTodd> :)
07:58 <Lucifer> especially loose change
07:58 <Lucifer> hey spidey, GodTodd doesn't believe we played civ with luke and had fun
07:58 <GodTodd> speaking of which...i need to endorse this child support check
07:58 <GodTodd> heh
07:58 <spidey> we did!
07:59 <spidey> we nuked the fuck out of luke
07:59 <GodTodd> oh, no...i believe you had fun
07:59 <spidey> we dropped over 15 nukes each
07:59 <spidey> xD
07:59 <GodTodd> i just said i wouldn't have :)
07:59 <Lucifer> we carpet-nuked him
08:00 <Lucifer> there wasn't any grassland left, it was all desert
08:00 <Lucifer> it was awesome :)
08:00 <spidey> there was some ice
08:00 <Lucifer> not that you could see what luke's terrain was like under all the mushrooms
08:00 <GodTodd> heh
08:00 <Lucifer> should've taken a screenshot
08:00 <Lucifer> spidey: yeah, but apparently there was global warming
08:01 <GodTodd> Lucifer: need more flash drives?
08:01 <Lucifer> I had a glacier that my howitzers couldn't pass, then they could
08:01 <spidey> heh
08:01 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I'll take any I can get, of course :)
08:01 <GodTodd> 1GB for 10$
08:01 <Lucifer> hmmm, don't have $10 right now
08:01 <spidey> anyone care to teach me how to use qemu? :P
08:01 <Lucifer> have to be cheap, my wife still hasn't found a job
08:01 <Lucifer> spidey: it's not hard, you create a hard drive image, then run qemu with the image
08:02 <Lucifer> read the docs for how to do it, but that's basically all you have to do
08:02 <spidey> hm
08:02 <Lucifer> try it with a .iso image and you'll get the idea
08:02 <Lucifer> anyway, qemu hooks up to your hardware, so after you load it up, you hae to install an OS into it
08:03 <GodTodd> hmmm wonder if my lappy can use this dimm...
08:03 <GodTodd> 1GB PC2-5300 So-Dimm
08:03 <GodTodd> Outpost# 4787509  Patriot PSD21G6672S
08:03 <GodTodd>   more info
08:03 <GodTodd>   $29.99
08:04 <GodTodd> 30$ for 1GB is pretty damn good
08:05 <GodTodd> hrmm...120$ for a roomba
08:05 <GodTodd> might hafta talk the wife into that ;)
08:06 <Lucifer> do it
08:06 <Lucifer> but watch out for the kids
08:06 <Lucifer> mine tore mine up :(
08:06 <Lucifer> now it barely works, and doesn't do edges very well
08:06 <Lucifer> but when it worked, it worked well.  It would do about half the house on a charge
08:06 <GodTodd> cool...we've just been waiting on the price to drop
08:07 <Lucifer> ah
08:07 <Lucifer> we got ours for $80 clearance at best buy :)
08:07 <GodTodd> and lately she's been more and more frustrated with how quickly the floor dirties up with two kids and two dogs ;)
08:07 <GodTodd> then i just need a scooba and a robot mower
08:07 <Lucifer> oh it just gets worse and worse
08:07 <GodTodd> then i'm set
08:07 <GodTodd> :)
08:07 <Lucifer> the real problem is keeping the larger items off the floor so the roomba can work
08:08 <GodTodd> yeah
08:08 <GodTodd> that's my only worry
08:08 <GodTodd> but shouldn't be too hard to convince her it's for the best :)
08:08 <Lucifer> which reminds me, we got a new vacuum to replace our aging one, making the aging one a good candidate for building a robot
08:08 <Lucifer> it's definitely for the best
08:08 <Lucifer> you have to pick the things up anyway, after all
08:08 <GodTodd> yep
08:09 <Lucifer> a lot of kid toys are also immune to the roomba, and it'll just change directions when it hits one
08:09 <GodTodd> and i'd rather pick them up for the robot to do the work than to pick them up for me to run the vacuum
08:09 <Lucifer> so you can start the roomba and then start picking up the rest
08:09 <Lucifer> yeah, true
08:09 <Lucifer> it's also worthy to pick up a steam cleaner to use after the roomba
08:09 <Lucifer> that way, you still do the same amount of work, you just have a much cleaner floor :)
08:09 -!- MrBougo is now known as MrBougo_laptop
08:09 <Lucifer> or steam clean at regular intervals, like you'd otherwise do
08:10 <Lucifer> I'm very interested in the scooba, though.  Our tile floors get sorely neglected
08:10 <GodTodd> we already have a steam cleaner
08:10 <Lucifer> steam cleaner is a must in a house with carpets and kids
08:10 <Lucifer> dogs too, come to think of it :)
08:10 <GodTodd> roger that
08:10 <GodTodd> :)
08:11 <Lucifer> ours broke, so we're living without one riht now
08:11 <GodTodd> it's not a hardship unless you've had one
08:11 <GodTodd> cuz then you know what you're missing ;)
08:11 <MrBougo_laptop> Lucifer: why did you drop your _arma tag?
08:11 <Lucifer> yep
08:11 <GodTodd> bahaha
08:11 -!- MrBougo_laptop is now known as MrBougo
08:11 <Lucifer> I'm just going to ignore those questions
08:11 <GodTodd> make an alias
08:12 <GodTodd> then you just explain it once and shoot it at people :)
08:12 <Lucifer> I already hooked this name up to the other, so they're linked
08:12 <MrBougo> okay
08:12 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a good explanation for why the _arma tag is gone
08:12 <MrBougo> i was just wondering why
08:12 <armabot> I have sent a good explanation for why the _arma tag is gone to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:12 <MrBougo> btw, who made this alias?
08:12 <Lucifer> me
08:12 <Lucifer> why?
08:12 <MrBougo> because i "fixed it"
08:13 <MrBougo> #help send
08:13 <armabot> MrBougo: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
08:13 <Lucifer> I saw the change, but can't say it's an improvement
08:13 <MrBougo> it's simply shorter
08:13 <MrBougo> was the $2 useful?
08:13 <Lucifer> true, but it's also less explicit what's happening
08:14 <Lucifer> the idea is that the $2 goes with the article in the statement, and the article is then required
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo something
08:14 <armabot> I have sent something to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <Lucifer> that was explicitly disallowed, my way :)
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo dick
08:14 <armabot> I have sent dick to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo Enterprise
08:14 <armabot> I have sent Enterprise to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <MrBougo> i guess you typoed "duck"
08:15 <GodTodd> no
08:15 <Lucifer> so sentences can easily be grammatically incorrect
08:15 <MrBougo> ouch
08:15 <GodTodd> you typoed dick
08:15 <GodTodd> :)
08:15 <MrBougo> Lucifer: with your old code you could also omit arg 3
08:15 <Lucifer> it's no big deal, though, because without the $2, you can have sentences that are grammatically correct that you otherwise couldn't have
08:15 <Lucifer> ?  you're looking at a very early version
08:15 <Lucifer> I fixed it after that to use the $*
08:16 <MrBougo> #alias add "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.' is not a valid command name.
08:16 <Lucifer> so your improvement just removed the $2
08:16 <MrBougo> oops
08:16 <MrBougo> that's it
08:16 <MrBougo> and it didnt change the behaviour of the alias
08:16 <GodTodd> #send Lucifer dick
08:16 <armabot> I have sent dick to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <MrBougo> i might disconnect a bit
08:16 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd colon
08:16 <armabot> I have sent colon to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:16 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
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08:16 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a colon
08:16 <GodTodd> disconnect "a bit"?
08:16 <armabot> I have sent a colon to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <Lucifer> I think he meant "in a bit"
08:17 <Lucifer> they don't have prepositions in Belgium
08:17 <GodTodd> they don't have a lot in belgium, do they?
08:17 <GodTodd> waffles and shit i suppose
08:17 <GodTodd> :)
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08:18 <Lucifer> well, they've got a nice highway that makes it easy to get from Germany to France very quickly, sidestepping hte Maginot line
08:18 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:18 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:18 <MrBougo> #send Lucifer something
08:18 <armabot> I have sent something to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
08:18 <GodTodd> wtf would you want to get to france very quickly?
08:18 <Lucifer> heh
08:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: because you're leaving Germany, of course
08:18 <GodTodd> germany > france
08:18 <GodTodd> :P
08:18 <MrBougo> belgium > russia
08:19 <GodTodd> #send MrBougo clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <Lucifer> well, france is on the way to Spain, too
08:19 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:19 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:19 <GodTodd> germany > spain
08:19 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent a clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <GodTodd> #send MrBougo clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <Lucifer> germany is not > spain!
08:19 <GodTodd> sure it is
08:19 <Lucifer> spain has hot mediterranean chicks in it, and germany does not!
08:19 <spidey> lag :D
08:19 <Lucifer> hot brown chicks > hot white chicks
08:20 <GodTodd> it will when i become supreme dictator
08:20 <spidey> maybe 256mb of ram for qemu was to much
08:20 <spidey> bt, Lucifer${noob}, i like qemu alot better than vmware so far :D
08:20 <Lucifer> heh
08:20 <MrBougo> spain is the 51st biggest, germani is the 63rd
08:20 <Lucifer> I like vmware better than qemu :/
08:20 <Lucifer> are either of them as big as Texas?
08:20 <Lucifer> we have lots of hot brown chicks in Texas
08:20 <spidey> on windows, vmware runs like 7 processes
08:21 <MrBougo> spain 504,030 km² (51st)
08:21 <spidey> :|
08:21 <GodTodd> yeah we do
08:21 <MrBougo> germany 357,021 km² (63rd)
08:21 <MrBougo> spidey: yup
08:21 <MrBougo> you can switch off some thoygh
08:21 <Lucifer> 678,051 km²
08:21 <spidey> not if you want the guest to have net :P
08:21 <Lucifer> yep, Texas is bigger :)
08:22 <Lucifer> true, vmware runs an embedded samba server in linux
08:22 <Lucifer> it's a pain
08:22 <spidey> texas is to hot in the valley
08:22 <spidey> man i was so pissed
08:22 <GodTodd> not a lot of countries bigger than texas
08:22 <Lucifer> well, the US is
08:22 <spidey> like 5 miles from the mexican border
08:22 <Lucifer> man, I've neer seen somebody whine so much about an AC going out
08:23 <Lucifer> my truck doesn't even have AC!
08:23 <Lucifer> of course, I don't drive it, but that's not why!
08:23 <spidey> yea well i'm used to 80-105max in the summer
08:23 <Lucifer> I drive my car mostly without AC
08:23 <Lucifer> that's what we get here, too
08:23 <spidey> shit
08:23 <spidey> it was ALOT hotter than that down there
08:23 <Lucifer> no, there was just a lot more heat trapped in the atmosphere :)
08:23 <spidey> i stepped out of the truck and thought i was gonna die :(
08:24 <Lucifer> water is a greenhouse gas and all
08:24 <spidey> heh
08:24 <Lucifer> but the temperature, even in south texas, doesn't usually go much over 100 for long stretches
08:24 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
08:25 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 74.7°F (1:25 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).
08:25 <MrBougo> AC?
08:25 <spidey> #weather 38256
08:25 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of Paris, Paris, Tennessee is 68.5°F (1:27 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
08:25 <Lucifer> there it is, 79% relative humidity
08:25 <MrBougo> nvm
08:25 <MrBougo> air conditioning
08:25 <MrBougo> i though AC power
08:25 <MrBougo> t*
08:25 <spidey> 95% humidity here, is that bad?
08:25 <spidey> o.o
08:25 <Lucifer> well, it's relative
08:25 <Lucifer> what's your elevation?
08:25 <spidey> no clue
08:25 <spidey> lol
08:25 <MrBougo> hehe
08:26 <Lucifer> at 100% humidity, the atmosphere has all the water vapor it can hold
08:26 <MrBougo> paris, tennessee
08:26 <MrBougo> you american guys had fun naming your cities
08:26 <Lucifer> so at lower elevations, 80% relative humidity has a lot more water vapor in it than higher elevations with 80% relative humidity
08:26 <spidey> it's named paris for a reason
08:26 <Lucifer> yeah, it's got gay people in it
08:26 <spidey> we have a huge rip off of the eifle tower here
08:26 <GodTodd> we american guys come from european guys mostly :P
08:27 <Lucifer> America was colonized by the people that weren't dumb enough to stay in europe
08:27 <spidey> haha
08:27 <GodTodd> then there's canada...our gay brother
08:27 <GodTodd> :)
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08:28 <Bougo> #weather 54204
08:28 <armabot> Bougo: The current temperature in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin is 71.6°F (1:15 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:28 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
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08:28 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 76.1°F (1:30 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Steady).
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08:31 <Lucifer> Elevation: 519 feet  <--- is this right?
08:32 <Lucifer> I thought you were in the middle of the appalachians
08:32 <spidey> no
08:32 <spidey> that's east
08:32 <spidey> i'm in west tn
08:32 <MrBougo> #weather 62013
08:32 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in St. Charles, Missouri is 69.8°F (12:54 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:32 <MrBougo> um
08:33 <Lucifer> Elevation: 501 feet  <--- this is austin
08:33 <MrBougo> it's supposed to be Brussels, Illinois
08:33 <Lucifer> so maybe you're just being a wuss about texas heat
08:33 <Lucifer> and it's not actually that much hotter here :)
08:33 <MrBougo> #help zip
08:33 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zip".
08:33 <MrBougo> #help zipcode
08:33 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zipcode".
08:33 <GodTodd> #weather brussels, illinois
08:33 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in St. Charles, Missouri is 69.8°F (12:54 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:33 <MrBougo> lol
08:33 <GodTodd> #help zipinfo
08:33 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: There is no command "zipinfo".
08:33 <GodTodd> #zipinfo
08:34 <GodTodd> he doesn't have that plugin loaded?
08:34 <spidey> well
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:34 <MrBougo> #help zipinfo
08:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zipinfo".
08:34 <Lucifer> s of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 141 people, 60 households, and 40 families residing in the village.
08:35 <Lucifer> it may not be big enough to have a weather station, and the one in St Charles is the closest
08:35 <MrBougo> #help http
08:35 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "http".
08:36 <MrBougo> #list http
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'http' is not a valid plugin.
08:36 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a manual
08:36 <armabot> I have sent a manual to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:36 <MrBougo> #cyborg
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: M.R.B.O.U.G.O.: Mechanical Robotic Being Optimized for Ultimate Gratification and Observation
08:36 <MrBougo> #list www
08:36 <Lucifer> he's a vibrator
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'www' is not a valid plugin.
08:36 <MrBougo> #list
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
08:36 <MrBougo> gee
08:36 <MrBougo> #list web
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
08:36 <MrBougo> crap
08:36 <Lucifer> #netcraft
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer: (netcraft <hostname|ip>) -- Returns Netcraft.com's determination of what operating system and webserver is running on the host given.
08:36 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.davefancella.com
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:38:57 GMT
08:37 <MrBougo> hehe
08:37 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.msn.com
08:37 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.msn.com
08:37 <MrBougo> lol
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.msn.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 00:21:54 GMT
08:37 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.msn.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 00:21:54 GMT
08:37 <MrBougo> also wondering?
08:37 <MrBougo> ow
08:37 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.ebay.com
08:37 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.yahoo.com
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.ebay.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows 2000 when last queried at 6-Oct-2007 06:18:32 GMT
08:37 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.yahoo.com was running unknown on FreeBSD when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 07:11:18 GMT
08:38 <MrBougo> way to spot crappy site
08:38 <MrBougo> s
08:38 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.di.fm
08:38 <Lucifer> yahoo's run on freebsd for a lon time
08:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:38 <MrBougo> it's an exception then
08:38 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.armagetronad.net
08:38 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.armagetronad.net was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:40:35 GMT
08:38 <MrBougo> hehe for sure
08:38 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.sf.net
08:38 <spidey> #netcraft fallin-angels.org
08:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:38 <armabot> spidey: http://fallin-angels.org was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:41:00 GMT
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://www.armagetronad.net/
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Armagetron Advanced :: a Tron clone in 3D
08:39 <MrBougo> #netcraft sourceforge.net
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://sourceforge.net was running lighttpd on Linux when last queried at 3-Oct-2007 07:45:51 GMT
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Freenode #armagetron logs
08:39 <GodTodd> #title http://www.davefancella.com/
08:39 <armabot> GodTodd: Dave Fancella
08:39 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.sony.com
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://www.toddmacy.com/
08:39 <GodTodd> #title http://fallin-angels.org
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.sony.com was running Apache on unknown when last queried at 4-Oct-2007 19:41:16 GMT
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Todd Macy
08:39 <armabot> GodTodd: Fallin-Angels
08:39 <MrBougo> #title sony.com
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'sony.com' is not a valid http url.
08:40 <MrBougo> #title http://sony.com
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: Sony.com Geo-Filter DE
08:40 <MrBougo> hehe
08:40 <Lucifer> #title http://www.msn.com
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: MSN.com
08:40 <Lucifer> #list web
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://freegonzo.com
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Free Gonzo
08:40 <Lucifer> #doctype http://www.msn.com/
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
08:40 <MrBougo> #title http://blankpage.com
08:40 <MrBougo> random?
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: web design
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.gov
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome to the White House
08:40 <MrBougo> aha
08:40 <Lucifer> #title http://www.whitehouse.com/
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.com
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: Election 2008 - Candidate Information At Whitehouse.com
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Election 2008 - Candidate Information At Whitehouse.com
08:40 <GodTodd> hahaha
08:40 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://whitehouse.com
08:41 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://whitehouse.gov
08:41 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.net
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: http://whitehouse.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 3-Oct-2007 04:57:49 GMT
08:41 <MrBougo> I KNEW IT
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome To The White House
08:41 <MrBougo> suckas xD
08:41 <Lucifer> #title http://www.belgium.gov
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer: Unknown host.
08:41 <MrBougo> #title http://whitehouse.info
08:41 <GodTodd> #title http://www.microsoft.com
08:41 <Lucifer> #netcraft http://www.belgium.gov
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: Whitehouse.info
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4096 bytes.
08:41 <Lucifer> awww
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer: No results found for http://www.belgium.gov.
08:41 <GodTodd> #netcraft http://www.microsoft.com
08:41 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://brucity.be
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: timed out
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: No results found for http://brucity.be.
08:42 <GodTodd> heh
08:42 <GodTodd> #netcraft http://support.microsoft.com
08:42 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://belgium.be
08:42 <armabot> GodTodd: http://support.microsoft.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 6-Oct-2007 07:15:22 GMT
08:42 <armabot> MrBougo: http://belgium.be was running Netscape-Enterprise on unknown when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:44:24 GMT
08:42 <MrBougo> wtf?
08:42 <GodTodd> damn...was hoping they was running linux ;)
08:42 <Lucifer> the porn site at whitehouse.com is gone?
08:42 <MrBougo> lol?
08:42 <GodTodd> seems so
08:43 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitechicksblackdicks.com
08:43 <armabot> GodTodd: WhiteChicksBlackDicks.Com - Interracial Sex Porn at its Most Hardcore...!
08:43 <Lucifer> http://www.ironhymen.com/
08:43 <GodTodd> haha it's real! :)
08:43 <Lucifer> #title http://www.girlsfuckingdogs.com/
08:43 <MrBougo> rofl
08:43 <armabot> Lucifer: Teen Flesh
08:43 <Lucifer> porn is so weird
08:43 <GodTodd> bahahahaa
08:43 <MrBougo> how to browse porn without looking at it
08:44 <GodTodd> #title http://www.farmgirls.com
08:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome to www.farmgiirls.com
08:44 <MrBougo> #title com.com
08:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'com.com' is not a valid http url.
08:44 <MrBougo> #title http://com.com
08:44 <Lucifer> #title http://www.ironhymen.org/
08:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Tech product reviews for cell phones, computers, MP3 players - CNET
08:44 <armabot> Lucifer: IRON HYMEN: Abstinence-Only Program for Girls
08:44 <GodTodd> #title http://www.pussyfart.com
08:44 <MrBougo> wth lol
08:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Pussyfart.com
08:44 <MrBougo> omg
08:44 <GodTodd> hahahahaha
08:44 <MrBougo> it exists?
08:44  * MrBougo freaks out
08:44 <GodTodd> apparently
08:45 <GodTodd> #title http://www.cumfarters.com
08:45 <armabot> GodTodd: Hardcore reality anal cumshots. Tight cum dripping ass holes. - CumFarters.com
08:45 <GodTodd> bahahaha
08:45 <Lucifer>  Boy privates are often said to resemble hot dogs, although if you ask me, the ones I've seen always called to mind something like those cute little Austrian cocktail weenies they sell 8 to a can.
08:45 <MrBougo> #title http://porngoogle.com
08:45 <armabot> MrBougo: Unknown host.
08:45 <MrBougo> bah
08:45 <MrBougo> Lucifer: wtf?
08:45 <MrBougo> where the hell did that come from
08:45 <Lucifer> http://www.ironhymen.com/boysprivates.asp
08:45 <GodTodd> i better stop...this is getting more and more disturbing :/
08:45 <MrBougo> bah, i wont click
08:46 <MrBougo> GodTodd: you dont need a search engine to get pr0n
08:46 <MrBougo> that's the conclusion
08:46 <Lucifer>  The stuff that comes out of boys every time they use you has as many calories as seven whole pints of Häagen-Dazs. That's why all the girls who do "it" always get so fat and ugly and have that ulcerated skin that screams to everyone in church, "I am an insatiable slut!"
08:46 <GodTodd> #title http://www.asslickers.com
08:46 <armabot> GodTodd: asslickers.com
08:46 <GodTodd> #title http://www.shiteaters.com
08:46 <armabot> GodTodd: Shiteaters.com - Die besten Informationen zum Thema Scat.
08:47 <MrBougo> wtf
08:47 <MrBougo> so its an info site about scat
08:47 <GodTodd> #title http://www.pissdrinkers.com
08:47 <armabot> GodTodd: pissdrinkers.com
08:47 <MrBougo> this is getting gross
08:47 <GodTodd> getting?
08:47 <MrBougo> it is
08:47 <GodTodd> it's way past gross, man :)
08:47 <MrBougo> lol
08:47 <MrBougo> indeed
08:48 <MrBougo> cant tell
08:48 <MrBougo> i clean up the history at each link
08:48 <GodTodd> Lucifer: you found another luke-jr site, or what?
08:48 <MrBougo> so i dont click by accident
08:48 <Lucifer> it's a satire site
08:48 <GodTodd> ah
08:48 <GodTodd> ok
08:48 <GodTodd> :)
08:48 <MrBougo> hope so :p
08:48 <MrBougo> if you dont dare clicking, check wiki
08:48 <GodTodd> #title http://www.fuckmywife.com
08:48 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome To Please Bang My Wife!
08:48 <MrBougo> i dont dare
08:49 <MrBougo> lol
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.fuckmyhusband.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: Hot XXX! Hardcore Adult Content!
08:49 <Lucifer> http://www.sexisforfags.com/
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.exploitedteens.com
08:49 <MrBougo> #title http://wideopen.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: ExploitedTeens.com Exclusive Amateur Porn!
08:49 <armabot> MrBougo: Red Hat Magazine | Will open source change Canada? Democratizing sustainable housing in Canada (part 2)
08:49 <MrBougo> Red Hat Magazine?
08:49 <MrBougo> wtf :p
08:49 <MrBougo> this must be a joke
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.sexisforfags.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: Sex is for FAGS! - Abstinence-Only Program for Boys
08:50 <GodTodd> haha
08:50 <MrBougo> aha?
08:50 <MrBougo> is this the same as ironhymen?
08:50 <GodTodd> no
08:50 <GodTodd> it's for boys
08:50 <GodTodd> :)
08:50 <MrBougo> the title looks similar
08:50 <MrBougo> #title http://3dsex.com
08:50 <armabot> MrBougo: This domain is Available to Purchase!
08:50 <MrBougo> xD
08:51 <MrBougo> why doesnt it work with me
08:51 <Lucifer> Girls' vaginas are just like venus flytraps: multi-fanged jaws waiting for your tasty bits to slither into their poisonous quicksand. So no matter how much it seems to hurt not to find solace in sticky backseat groping sessions, don't give in to temptation.
08:51 <MrBougo> haha
08:51 <Lucifer> I need to go wake my wife up now
08:51 <MrBougo> to show her your new fav website?
08:52 <Lucifer> Premarital sex isn't worth it! You can catch AIDS, or cancer, or testicle weevils, or a bad body image or rickets.
08:52 <Lucifer> You know what IS worth it? Making love to Jesus. Because you can't knock Him up and He'll never ask what you're thinking – cuz He already knows!
08:52 <MrBougo> haha
08:53 <MrBougo> #title http://allyourbasearebelongtous.com
08:53 <armabot> MrBougo: All Your Base Are Belong To Us
08:53 <MrBougo> o rly?
08:56 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I still don't know how to make forts
08:56 <Lucifer> eh?  I told you, didn't I?  ;)
08:56 <Lucifer> (I know, it was after that game)
08:57 <Lucifer> you put an engineer or a worker on the square you want a fort, and you press "F"
08:57 <Lucifer> they build a fort
08:57 <Lucifer> engineers take 2 turns, workers take 4-5
08:57 <Lucifer> you have to have masonry
08:57 <Lucifer> pottery gives you workers, but they can't build forts unless you have masonry
08:58 <Lucifer> fort gives the same defensive bonus as city walls, and units fortified in a fort recover their health faster than units not in a fort
08:58 <Lucifer> now, if only a city built on a fort automatically had city walls.....  ;)
08:59 <Lucifer> also, I think there's an option to make it so that if a unit loses in a fort, it doesn't take out the whole stack
08:59 <Lucifer> but I don't think we normally play with that option
08:59 <Lucifer> wait a minute, if you don't know how to build forts, why do you always set wtowervision to a high number?
08:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer: global warming got to 3
09:02 <luke-jr> can the roomba do stairs?
09:02 <Lucifer> no
09:02 <Lucifer> but it has a mechanism to avoid falling down stairs
09:02 <spidey> you think i could compile a windows executable in wine?
09:02 <luke-jr> spidey: BTW, make sure you have kqemu installed :þ
09:02 <Lucifer> spidey: yes
09:02 <spidey> awesome
09:02 <spidey> even if it uses DX?
09:02 <Lucifer> spidey: if wine will run the compiler package, it'll build a windows executable just fine
09:03 <Lucifer> yes, even if it uses DX
09:03 <spidey> the only problem i ran into on linux while cross compiling was dsound.h and dinput.h
09:03 <Lucifer> so long as you have the right development libraries....
09:03 <spidey> dx sdk for windows
09:03 <Lucifer> mingw doesn't have those?
09:03 <spidey> not sure
09:03 <spidey> i have mingw installed
09:03 <Lucifer> some people have been able to cross-compile from linus to windows with dx stuff
09:04 <spidey> i have mingw32 mingw32-binutils and mingw32-runtime
09:04 <spidey> installed
09:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer: vanhayes does tower vision, not me
09:07 <luke-jr> spidey: you can compile a Linux executable with WINE
09:07 <spidey> i don't need a linux executable
09:07 <spidey> that compiles fine
09:07 <luke-jr> spidey: so download the DX SDK for Windows and install it in the crosscompile env
09:08 <spidey> the whoa? o.o
09:08 <luke-jr> …
09:08 <luke-jr> it's just a bunch of headers and libs
09:09 <luke-jr> maybe docs
09:11 <spidey> well
09:11 <spidey> there's a mingw32-directx
09:11 <spidey> but i can only find freebsd ports =/
09:11 <Lucifer> heh
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09:13 <luke-jr> spidey: link
09:13 <spidey> ?
09:13 <spidey> debian.org hosts a freebsd-cvs o.o
09:14 <spidey> luke-jr: wtf?
09:14 <spidey> when i hover over teamspeak with my mouse
09:14 <luke-jr> …
09:14 <spidey> the pointer turns into a circle with a X in them iddle
09:14 <luke-jr> killall teamspeak
09:14 <spidey> y
09:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what you think of $65 for a used Roomba?
09:16 <luke-jr> spidey: cuz it sucks
09:21 <spidey> u
09:22 <spidey> can i install freebsd packages? o.O
09:22 <spidey> kinda like the rpm thingy for ubuntu
09:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr: good deal if it's in good shape?  ;)
09:23 <Lucifer> there's a spinner on the bottom that's supposed to sweep the corners so they can be vacuumed
09:23 <Lucifer> without that, the roomba is nearly worthless, because vacuuming around the edges is the longest most time-consuming part of the job
09:24 <spidey> luke stop changing my icons
09:25 <spidey> mouse images*
09:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: "This system is pre-owned and in great operating condition.  Comes with battery, charger, Virtual Wall Controller and manual.  Also comes in original box."
09:25 <luke-jr> spidey: retard
09:25 <luke-jr> haha, someone on Craig's List wants $250 for a "BRAND NEW" Roomba at their garage sale
09:25 <Lucifer> if it's in good shape, then it's worth it
09:25 <spidey> why am i a retard?
09:25 <Lucifer> hell, we spent $80 just to decide if the thing was a worthwhile vacuum
09:26 <luke-jr> spidey: because you can't figure out why you're a retard ☺
09:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I offered $40 (+$15 s/h) for it :þ
09:28 <luke-jr> we really don't *need* it, and no jobs atm, so… ;)
09:29 <spidey> o.o
09:29 <luke-jr> haha, greylisting can produce odd results
09:29 <luke-jr> I got my 3 ebay emails out of order
09:29 <luke-jr> cutting spam from 500 to 32 is worth it
09:30 <luke-jr> (per 100,000 seconds)
09:30 <Lucifer> no jobs?
09:31 <luke-jr> well, nothing long term anyway
09:31 <luke-jr> not sure how long the project I'm starting Mon will be
09:31 <luke-jr> but need to be careful where we spend $
10:10 <spidey> now
10:10 <spidey> need to compile a mac binary xD
10:11 <spidey> i extracted the freebsd package and moved the headers to mingw32/include/ and the client compiled fine
10:15 <luke-jr> good luck
10:17 <spidey> well
10:17 <spidey> widnows compile worked
10:17 <spidey> finally....i'ma try a cross compiler for mac
10:20 <MrBougo> http://planetnexuiz.com/ladder/index.php?p=Matchdetails&id=1084
10:20 <MrBougo> wee, i suck
10:20 <MrBougo> :p
10:21 <MrBougo> ok, i'm out
10:21 <MrBougo> bye all
10:21 <wrtlprnft> cya
10:21 <MrBougo> cya idle guy
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10:21 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy i didn't record anything
10:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <spidey> http://pastebin.ca/728708
10:36 <spidey> this is why i hate rpm...
10:36 <spidey> so
10:36 <spidey> any other way i can extract a rpm? =/
10:37 <wrtlprnft> say man rpm?
10:37 <spidey> ?
10:37 <wrtlprnft> and search for something like “extract”
10:42 <spidey> turns out ark can extract rpm's
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11:07 <luke-jr> spidey: what cross compiler for mac? :þ
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11:21 <luke-jr> spidey: Lucifer: civ?
11:21 <Lucifer> you want to get nuked again?!?!?
11:24 <luke-jr> ☺_
11:24 <luke-jr> assuming I don't remove Manhattan ;)
11:25 <luke-jr> and assuming I miss the part where it says Manhattan is built
11:26 <luke-jr> I had a ton of cash
11:26 <luke-jr> if I had noticed, I would have beat you to it
11:30 <Lucifer> small window, it took 3 turns from the time I started to when it was finished
11:30 <Lucifer> first nuke was done 3 turns later
11:30 <Lucifer> had 4 nukes 2 turns after that
11:30 <Lucifer> think you could build manhattan's from scratch and 4 nukes in 8 turns?
11:42 <luke-jr> 1 turn < 3 turns
11:42 <luke-jr> I had enough cash to buy at least 3 nukes outright
11:43 <luke-jr> which is fairly odd since usually cash is where I'm short
11:44 <luke-jr> that game, lack of funds made me decide *which* cities to put Barracks III in
11:44 <luke-jr> and also why there were only 3 or 4 factories
11:44 <luke-jr> so…
11:44 <luke-jr> playin?
11:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer:
11:47 <Lucifer> you missed the point, but ok
11:47 <luke-jr> hachi.dashjr.org 5555
11:47 <Lucifer> (being able to build 4 nukes in about 3-4 turns > cash to build 3)
11:47 <Lucifer> er, the ok wasn't "ok I'll play"
11:47 <Lucifer> kind busy right now
11:47 <luke-jr> aww
11:51 <DrJoeTron> i dont have it installed luke-jr
11:51 <luke-jr> lame
11:52 <DrJoeTron> no u
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12:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer: civ needs a "I claim this" that works like 2.0 borders
12:09 <luke-jr> eg, nothing stops settling on it, but it's clearly marked as such and has reputation effects
12:20 <spidey> um
12:21 <spidey> 2.0 you have to fort a unit before you can settle it
12:21 <spidey> i'ma wrap freeciv with aoss this time
12:21 <spidey> tired of hearing those stupid kde sounds
12:31 <luke-jr> wtf?
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12:50 <Lucifer> 2.1 you mean, I think
12:50 <Lucifer> so you can claim a spot by building a fortress and forting a unit
12:50 <Lucifer> over time your border will grow around the spot
12:51 <Lucifer> that's in 2.1 though, not 2.0
12:51 <Lucifer> since 2.1 has reached critical mass for bugs, I'm not interested in it anymore
12:51 <epsy> congrats, Lucifer :)
12:51 <epsy> (the nick :P)
12:52 <Lucifer> :)
12:52 <Lucifer> I guessed that ;)
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12:55 <luke-jr> i c
12:55 <Lucifer> #title http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/306680.html
12:55 <armabot> Lucifer: www.kansascity.com | 10/06/2007 | Mangino has turned KU into a threat to win Big 12 North
12:55 <Lucifer> it's gotta suck having a name like Mangino
12:55 <luke-jr> lol
12:56 <Lucifer> it's only one letter away from Mangina
13:01 <luke-jr> so?
13:05 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhU
13:05 <luke-jr> NO
13:12 <spidey> y
13:14 <luke-jr> Flash
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13:54 <Lucifer> I want to build a musical instrument of some sort
13:57 <luke-jr> …
13:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wanna join us?
13:58 <luke-jr> 650 BC
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14:51 <noob7> Lucifer: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cookie-Tin-Banjo-Part-1--Make-a-Tuning-Peg-Hole-R/
14:56 <Lucifer> heh, couldn't find the rest of the guide, but that's a little more involved than I was thinking
14:57 <Lucifer> basically, I've got a section of 1 inch diameter douglas fir and I want to do something with it
14:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: come play civ
14:57 <Lucifer> no
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15:33 <flex> eddiefantastic?
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15:57 <luke-jr> wow
15:57 <luke-jr> that was classic
15:57 <luke-jr> an op was just giving a lecture on staying on topic in #kde
15:57 <luke-jr> and some n00b joined and he asked the noob if he had a question
15:57 <luke-jr> so the n00b asks about Fedora 7 installing XD
16:02 <Lucifer> did he get kicked?
16:03 <luke-jr> no
16:04 <luke-jr> told to go to #fedora
16:11 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192233#192233
16:11 <epsy> any recruiter here ?
16:11 <epsy> :P
16:14 <epsy> ROFL
16:14 <epsy> http://durkas.info/afl/schedule.php
16:14 <epsy> 10/14  	Kill or Die  	vs  	Tronic Donkeys  	 	|×|.Fortress.Server
16:15 <epsy> ♫ what are we going to do ? ♫
16:16 <spidey> hm
16:16 <spidey> Lucifer: you should have joined this gmae
16:16 <spidey> game
16:17 <Lucifer> did you nuke him again?
16:17 <spidey> no
16:17 <spidey> i wiped the floor with the swiss's ass tho
16:17 <epsy> #lastseen luzifer
16:17 <armabot> epsy: Luzifer has last been seen on Fortress Café 18 hours 27 minutes ago.
16:17 <epsy> mh
16:17 <luke-jr> after you finally got out from under them pwning you
16:17 <spidey> no
16:17 <spidey> i joined late
16:17 <spidey> so they was pwning my AI anways
16:17 <luke-jr> :þ
16:18 <spidey> if i'd started with this
16:18 <spidey> the ai would have never even took that 1 city they did :)
16:19 <spidey> besides
16:19 <luke-jr> last time you were scared
16:19 <spidey> i've givin you over 3.8k gold
16:19 <luke-jr> fyi, this is the 15 AI in size 5 config
16:19 <spidey> because you're negative due to not being able to support a war
16:19 <spidey> AND you have A.Smiths
16:19 <spidey> so barricks is no excuse XD
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16:20 <luke-jr> factories and universities
16:20 <luke-jr> my expenses aren't *too* much
16:20 <luke-jr> but I'm making like 10 gold
16:20 <Lucifer> luke doesn't have barracks?
16:20 <spidey> i'm making 105 without a single city on coinage
16:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: barracks are free with A.Smith
16:21 <spidey> Lucifer: dunno
16:21 <Lucifer> so?
16:21 <Lucifer> I never build a smith.....
16:21 <luke-jr> so every city has barracks
16:21 <spidey> i'm just saying he can't blame his negative income on 1gold upgrades
16:21 <Lucifer> how can you be broke and have adam smith's?
16:21 <spidey> haha
16:21 <Lucifer> that's like get rich in civ wonder
16:21 <spidey> i always make atleast 700gold/turn
16:21 <spidey> with a smiths
16:22 <Lucifer> I believe it, I usually build it when I'm playing against the ais
16:22 <Lucifer> if only to prevent them from having it
16:22 <spidey> heh
16:22 <Lucifer> that's how you get to where you run 20% taxes and 80% science
16:22 <spidey> you go for production strength
16:22 <Lucifer> and still be able to afford barracks and libraries and shit
16:22 <spidey> i go for economic strength
16:22 <Lucifer> well yeah.  :)
16:23 <spidey> if we could find a way to successfully combine our tatics
16:23 <Lucifer> after I figured out that some cities are best set at max science and stuck on coinage, everything fell into place :)
16:23 <spidey> we'd be like gods
16:23 <Lucifer> heh
16:23 <Lucifer> I think it would take the combined might of everyone here to beat us when we ally
16:23 <spidey> yea
16:24 <spidey> maybe even then we'd still win
16:24 <Lucifer> hard to say, conquering luke is a pyrrhic victory
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16:24 <spidey> lol
16:24 <Lucifer> you go broke conquering him, where you normally get rich conquering other people
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16:25 <spidey> rofl
16:25 <Lucifer> so there's incentive to nuke, when you think about it :)
16:25 <spidey> yea
16:25 <spidey> wait
16:25 <spidey> wtf
16:25 <Lucifer> cities are going to be worthless when you take them, might as well save as many shields as possible taking them
16:25 <spidey> luke, as long as you've been playing this
16:25 <spidey> how can you not be better than you are?
16:26 <Lucifer> hey, don't beat him up too much, he's as good as any ai
16:26 <spidey> ...
16:26 <Lucifer> I think he's too narrowly focused on short-term gains
16:26 <Lucifer> that's why he doesn't build many/any factories, for example
16:27 <Lucifer> I've noticed he doesn't have many engineers either, and the ones he does have are almost always doing weird things like building land bridges and shit
16:27 <Lucifer> and he builds a pissload of cities
16:27 <Lucifer> kinda scary, really
16:28 <spidey> lol
16:28 <Lucifer> just like an ai, you have to invade him sooner or later or he'll start building cities in your own territory
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16:29 <Lucifer> it probably has something to do with him never playing sid meier's
16:29 <Lucifer> because in sid meier's, you *had* to develop your cities or you couldn't win at all
16:29 <Lucifer> not so in freeciv, in freeciv you can just build a buttload of cities and still have a decent shot at winning
16:29 <spidey> probbly
16:29 <spidey> probably
16:29 <spidey> civ1-3 got boring
16:30 <spidey> so i used the little cheats option at the top
16:30 <spidey> rofl
16:30 <Lucifer> heh
16:30 <Lucifer> I never played civ 3, and I didn't play enough civ 2 to be really good at it
16:30 <Lucifer> you might have noticed early on in freeciv I tried to just build like 5 cities and kept getting pwned by the ais
16:30 <Lucifer> that's civ 1 style playing :)
16:31 <Lucifer> I still don't like building my own cities past 12-15 cities, though
16:31 <Lucifer> I'd really rather take someone else's, where they've already built the railroads and irrigation and shit
16:32 <Lucifer> lately I've been trying to start warring as soon as I build factories, because that can be started a couple of hours into the game
16:32 <Lucifer> anyway, yeah, keep your cities around 5 population points and you can survive nuclear winter :)
16:32 <Lucifer> global warming, too
16:33 <Lucifer> and still get in the neighborhood of 40-60 shields (after mfg plants, of course)
16:33 <spidey> heh
16:33 <spidey> well
16:33 <spidey> my tatic is
16:33 <spidey> 8 point cities
16:33 <spidey> when i get aquaduct
16:33 <spidey> 12 point cities
16:33 <spidey> 1 12 point city can have the production a size 7 with a factory can
16:33 <Lucifer> there's an advantage to having lare cities, that's for sure
16:33 <spidey> so it's cheaper in the long run
16:34 <Lucifer> well, you can also get to a place where your city puts out a howitzer every turn
16:34 <Lucifer> that's nice :)
16:34 <spidey> i've had 12 point cities with over 100 productions
16:34 <Lucifer> I think my highest production city was around 125, but it was so long ago I could be misremembering it
16:34 <Lucifer> it was a 15 point city, iirc, in civ 1
16:35 <spidey> o.o
16:35 <spidey> in civ 3
16:35 <spidey> i had a 40 point city
16:35 <Lucifer> these days I aim for 40-60, and am happy with that
16:35 <spidey> CHEATS FTW
16:35 <spidey> one time i did a 100 point city
16:35 <spidey> it's all about the click and checking in civ 3, man
16:35 <spidey> xD
16:35 <Lucifer> there's a problem with pollution when you pass 40 shields
16:35 <spidey> well
16:36 <spidey> 40 sheilds can be contained
16:36 <Lucifer> an *unsolvable* problem with it, at that
16:36 <Lucifer> maybe it's 60
16:36 <spidey> after 70 sheilds
16:36 <spidey> you can't fix it
16:36 <Lucifer> there's a point where recycling center and hydro plants stop working
16:36 <spidey> transit
16:36 <spidey> helps
16:36 <Lucifer> or rather, they keep working, because without them you'd be covered in shit every turn
16:36 <spidey> haha
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16:37 <Lucifer> well, staying at 40-60 and building hydro plants (hoover dam) gives good production
16:37 <Lucifer> most of the units you want to build can be built in 3-4 turns, some of them in less
16:38 <Lucifer> I think that gives you howitzers every 2 turns, but you have to be in the upper range for that
16:38 <spidey> i lov fanatics
16:38 <spidey> i can spit them out 1 a turn
16:38 <Lucifer> if you need to build bombers, that works, but you have to have 5 cities or so on it to get enough out to be useful
16:38 <spidey> in every city usually
16:38 <Lucifer> but mfg plants for bombers and battleships (and space ship components)
16:39 <spidey> yea
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16:39 <spidey> i'ma take a shower
16:39 <spidey> brb in about 20
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16:58 <epsy> #sd bistro
16:58 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “bistro” at the moment, sorry.
16:58 <epsy> oh
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17:03 <spidey> back
17:06 <Lucifer> front
17:06 <Lucifer> yes, fanatic are cool because luke can't kill them
17:06 <Lucifer> he's not a true enough believer
17:07 <spidey> hhaa
17:07 <spidey> that actually made me *lol*
17:08 <spidey> that reminded me of when he went to #freeciv and was like "how do i kill fanatics?!"
17:08 <spidey> all it was, was a bunch of fanatics on a mountain with a fort
17:08 <spidey> he made every fanatic i put in that for elite
17:08 <spidey> it was so awesome
17:08 <spidey> s/for/fort
17:11 <spidey> wow
17:11 <spidey> #ubuntu has 1163 people in it
17:11 <spidey> o.o
17:15 <wrtlprnft> 1162 now
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17:15 <wrtlprnft> the interesting thing is that they can cope without an op
17:16 <wrtlprnft> gentoo is almost as big and actually relevant to me :)
17:18 <spidey> lol
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17:40 <Lucifer> we have 1150 people here
17:40 <Lucifer> wait a minute, nvm, that's my ping
17:42 <Lucifer> #send DrJoeTron some vicodin
17:42 <armabot> I have sent some vicodin to DrJoeTron, it should arrive shortly.
17:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: that would make a lot of idlers
17:47 <wrtlprnft> probably at any given point in time 300 of them would be bots, 800 would always be idle, 47 would be idle and 3 would be chatting
17:49 <spidey> LOL
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20:28 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ping
20:29 <epsy> wrtlprnft, café jumps :/
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21:20 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 27 normal]
21:20 <flex> ^^^
21:20 <epsy> wrtlprnft, huhu?
21:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 34 secs
21:24 <wrtlprnft> meh, managed to kill my router
21:25 <flex> wrtlprnft come to the match?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> when? where? what?
21:26 <flex> urm at x server
21:26 <flex> rico wont be comign so we need an admin
21:26 <flex> v td?
21:26 <flex> x v td
21:31 <epsy> wrtlprnft, it's now
21:34 <wrtlprnft> argh, can't play
21:34 <wrtlprnft> my wlan is all messed up
21:35 <flex> what about admining?
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21:52 <flex> MaZuffeR here?
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22:26 <GodTodd> well...we took the plunge: http://store.irobot.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2661501 :)
22:35 <DrJoeTron> you better feed it M&M's
22:35 <DrJoeTron> or it gets mad
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23:01 <flex> coool robot!
23:01 <flex> is there one for normal cleaning :P
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23:16 <flex> #lastseen Oliver
23:16 <armabot> flex: Oliver has last been seen on Bugfarm Elimination Sumo 2 minutes ago.
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