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Log from 2007-10-01:
--- Day changed Mon Oct 01 2007
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00:31 <Flex-> of? :P
00:32 <epsy> of our match, what else
00:32 <epsy> :p
00:32 <Flex-> we sucked don't show people that :P
00:32 <Flex-> nooooooo lol
00:33 <epsy> lol!
00:33 <Flex-> dude seriously, wazer happened to forget how to play sweeper on the first match :P
00:33 <epsy> you still beaten us
00:33 <epsy> yeah i seen that xD
00:34 <Flex-> can't comment anymore due to other reasons but it was a total mess
00:34 <epsy> orly ?
00:35 <epsy> legit atks weren't really synced with wings :p
00:35 <Flex-> yeah well fofo had speed issues
00:36 <epsy> if you felt howi was when i seen you getting from 20 - 70 to 100 - 80
00:37 <Flex-> we were 5v6 and wazer was just not with it so i had to come back so it's basically just fofo and legit and fofo was just simply not even penetrating past your slow wings :P
00:37 <epsy> lol!
00:37 <Flex-> well dude tbh it's x being cocky and not playing properly till someone shouts "omg look at score"
00:37 <epsy> lol
00:38 <epsy> i should «omg look at the score» my players too
00:38 <Flex-> did you guys learn anything? :P
00:38 <Flex-> was it gg?
00:38 <epsy> good game indeed
00:39 <epsy> i think TP is on the way
00:39 <epsy> not 100 built up but it's building :)
00:39 <epsy> *100%
00:40 <Flex-> tp?
00:40 <epsy> oh, and i'm learning the best use of the antilegit spray :p
00:40 <epsy> team play
00:41 <Flex-> ah right
00:41 <Flex-> you guys want another one next sunday :D
00:41 <epsy> heh
00:42 <epsy> we'ill maybe arrange something too with TR
00:42 <Flex-> come on msn for a sec :)
00:42 <epsy> mh
00:42 <epsy> can't you use PMs ?
00:42 <epsy> or...
00:44 <epsy> Flex-, ?
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01:09 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/lol
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02:57 <Lucifer_arma> Another common moment-measuring system is a torque-wrench.  (So then is Oprah a talk wench?)
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03:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://consumerist.com/consumer/in-poor-taste/walmart-stalking-t+shirt-angers-stalking-victim-305284.php
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03:59 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:59 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.5°F (8:58 PM CDT on September 30, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.81 in 975.5 hPa (Rising).
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I have changed my prediction
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> I've decided the union is going to come apart, instead of WW3
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04:25 <Lucifer_arma> Then one day he bought a guitar and moved to hollywood to become a star
04:27 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: the european union or the autoworkers' union? ;)
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: heh
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> these united states
04:30 <GodTodd> well...we are the next roman empire :)
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> we've got two diametrically opposed factions digging in and fighting
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> the union might survive, but I think the rift is permanent
04:34 <GodTodd> definitely
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> when I say the union might survive, I mean something like the nation peacefully splitting up
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> but I suspect civil war in another 30-40 years
04:34 <GodTodd> get your mountain cabin now ;)
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be 62-72 by then, I hope to be retiring on the moon :)
04:36 <GodTodd> but...don't you know...we've never been to the moon...it was shot in a basement in hollywood
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter :)
04:37 <GodTodd> sure it does...we're spending all our money on war instead of researching how to get to the moon :)
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> *government's money
04:39 <GodTodd> and where does the government get the bulk of "its" money?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a question of "where", it's a question of "how much"
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> followed by "how much is left for the same set of tits to support a lunar settlement?"
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> since it comes from my wife's tits, which are quite substantial, I have no fears on that count
04:44 <GodTodd> haha
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> so now I have the moment, how do I get a single force with that moment from it?
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> :(
04:45 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:45 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 60.4°F (9:43 PM CDT on September 30, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.81 in 975.5 hPa (Rising).
04:45 <ghableska> #night
04:45 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:46 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:46 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 83.1°F (9:47 PM CDT on September 30, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising).
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> I count 7 unknowns in the equation I'm trying to form
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> and only 3 equations are coming from it
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> :(
04:47 <GodTodd> :(
04:54 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
04:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.56in / 1035hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Clear. Fog patches overnight. Wind north 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 3C(37F) except 7C(45F) along the coast. Patchy frost.; Monday - Sunny. Increasing cloudiness in the afternoon. Wind becoming (1 more message)
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> ack, my whole dang approach was wrong
04:57 <Sticky_> Lucifer_arma: whats this for?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
04:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 77.5°F (9:56 PM CDT on September 30, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> Sticky_: statics
04:57 <Sticky_> ahh
04:58 <GodTodd> isn't  that where your socks stick together? ;)
04:58 <Sticky_> 7d space, ouch
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no, that's electrostatics
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> smartass
04:59 <GodTodd> oh....so...is that when the tv goes out and it makes that annoying noise?
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, if the tv is on, electrons are moving
05:00 <Sticky_> no its when things dont move
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> electrodynamics is when electrons are not moving
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> !
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> electrostatics is when electrons are not moving
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> electrodynamics is when electrons are moving
05:01 <GodTodd> so...it's more like when you rub your feet on the carpet and shock people
05:01 <Sticky_> dont electrons only stop at absolute zero?
05:01 <GodTodd> that's hilarious :)
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, rubbing your feet on the carpet, yes, you will collect an electric charge
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> but once you touch someone and shock them, you're in electrodynamics again :)
05:02 <GodTodd> you know...it's no fun being a smartass if you people don't play along :P
05:02 <GodTodd> sheesh
05:02  * Lucifer_arma smiles
05:03  * GodTodd notes nothing good happens when Lucifer_arma smiles.
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> Sticky_: my definitions were extremely simplistic
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> they were targetted at GodTodd (hi there!) , after all ;)
05:03 <GodTodd> and actually...it's not electron *movement* you were referring to...it's electron *transfer*
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's only slightly less simplistic :)
05:04 <Sticky_> GodTodd: get yourself a 1 fahrad capacitor and charge it up, bive people some fun shocks with that
05:04 <GodTodd> haha
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like a wave, in a field
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> we have 1 f capacitors at work
05:04 <Sticky_> big suckers
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> big fuckers
05:05 <GodTodd> only in a flood would a wave be in a field :P
05:05 <Sticky_> ever tried shorting one?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> nah, but after we finished with electricity in the summer, I made sure all the 1 f capacitors were discharged
05:05  * GodTodd is doing a collage for art cla...er i mean *humanities* class...so is in a smartass mood :/
05:05 <Sticky_> the terminals weld to whatever you short it with
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't handle the idea of them sitting there, waiting...
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:06  * Lucifer_arma is doing statics homework, and is in a downright pissy mood
05:06 <Sticky_> without a charge applied they leak fairly quickly dont they?
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> no
05:06 <GodTodd> don't piss on the statics! could get hurt ;)
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> they'll hold their charges for a long time
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> a "perfect" capacitor will hold its charge forever :)
05:07  * GodTodd has to fit 15 images in a 12x12 in square...
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> so you lay them out 3 x 5
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure there's some vector operation you could do that'll tell you their aspect ratio
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't feel like figuring it out
05:08 <GodTodd> it can *not* be symmetrical
05:08 <GodTodd> has to be *artistic*
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> make it symmetric around the origin, your teacher will never get the joke
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> call it "Odd"
05:09 <GodTodd> look...i'm just looking to get out of this class with at least a C and some semblance of sanity left ;)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> say "This is in classical greek style of art, which was mathematically driven.  You just don't realize that classical greek ark was mathematically driven because you're a humanities person, not a math person."
05:10 <GodTodd> i'ma keep my pic of mozart in even tho he's not really german
05:10 <GodTodd> ain't i a stinker?
05:10 <GodTodd> :)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> Throw in a pic of Werner von Braun :)
05:11 <GodTodd> i can
05:11 <GodTodd> i'ma have a pic of gutenberg
05:11 <GodTodd> it's a collage of german culture
05:11 <Sticky_> say "as a protest against traditional art i have burnt all the pictures and pasted the ashes on to the grid"
05:11 <GodTodd> and, yes, i've already shot down the swastika and hitler pics :P
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> get a pic of z-man
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, german culture.......
05:12 <GodTodd> is he famous?
05:12 <Sticky_> thats an oxymoron
05:12 <GodTodd> outside of arma i mean :P
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not, plenty of culture in Germany
05:13 <Sticky_> hehh
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> and i hear it's every bit as pretentious as American culture
05:13 <GodTodd> hey...oktoberfest is hella cultural
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: just google up some german papers and take the first 15 pictures you see
05:13 <Sticky_> hah, way to kill Lucifer_arma's point
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> provided they're local news, not german articles about Bush
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> Sticky_: you haven't seen oktoberfest in Texas, apparently
05:14 <GodTodd> yeah...it's not a problem getting the pics...it's just that i don't like the class and i'm not a graphically artistic person :/
05:15 <GodTodd> if joe were here i'd pay his ass to do it for me
05:15 <GodTodd> heh
05:15 <GodTodd> cept he'd put flames and blurs in it probably
05:15 <GodTodd> :/
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, the requirement that it can't be symmetric pretty much tosses out any artistic value you might put into it, since humans are wired to find beauty in symmetry
05:17 <Sticky_> well it kind of destroys the whole point of art to define symmetry or non, or any form as greater than another.  I think they probably just want you to demonstrait that you have thought about it as opposed to just throwing something together
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I realize there's artistic value in things that are not beautiful, or at least that pretentious twerps think that artistic value is a definable term
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> Sticky_: nah, it's pretty much proven by psychologists that humans find symmetric things more beautiful than non-symmetric things
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> note that symmetry only refers to geometric structure of something, and has little/nothing to do with intrinsic meaning
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> or properties
05:19 <Sticky_> i agree that symmetry is pleasing but its not necesarily the goal of art to be beautiful
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> then what is the goal of art?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:19 <Sticky_> generaly to provoke thought
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> that's it?  provoke thought?
05:20 <Sticky_> basicly
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> what about emotion?
05:20 <Sticky_> emotion is a thought
05:20 <Sticky_> but this is why art is crap
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> mmmmm, not really.  :)  Emotion is hormones, it comes from the endocrine system, whereas thought is the transmission of biochemical electrical signals across neurons
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> world of difference between the two.
05:21 <Sticky_> well fine whatever, thought and emotion then
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> any thought at random?
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> for example, you paint something, and I look at it, and it makes me think "wow, my dick is beautiful"
05:23 <Sticky_> i went to the tate a few monts ago and there were more than a few images of genitalia
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's a dodge
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> add to my example that your painting is a painting of a house, with a blue sky and green grass
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> my thoughts are the same, of course
05:24 <Sticky_> well it should probably be the goal of the artist to guide your emotions
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> and my thoughts?  So he's going to provoke thought and emotion, in a particular direction
05:25 <Sticky_> or atleast attempt to
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> taken like that, emotion is a magnitude, and thought is a direction, so art is a vector :)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I disagree a bit, or at least take it farther
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think to be considered art, there has to be real communication.  Something becomes art when a person receives the actual message the artist was attempting to transmit,
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and it is only art for the period in which the message is sent
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> at all other times, it's just potential art
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> so if I don't get it, it's not art.
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if it's a painting and you and I are both looking at it, and you get the message and I don't, then it's art for you, and not art for me
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> the artist then is just half-assed :)
05:27 <Sticky_> hmm /me has images of locking art in boxes, i shal call it schrodingers art
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> indeed
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> when I open the box, will I see art?  ;)
05:27 <Sticky_> depends on which way the state colapses
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> what separates art from regular communication?  I don't think anything does.  Communication is an art, too.  :)
05:28 <GodTodd> so...what was dali's message? "i'm fucked in the head and should be institutionalized"?
05:28 <GodTodd> :)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> who the hell was dali?  ;)
05:29 <GodTodd> melting clocks dude
05:29 <Sticky_> admitidly will at the modern art gallery my main emotion was, MY TAX PAID FOR THIS???
05:29 <Sticky_> will???
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> fuck if I know.  But I'll tell you this, if the "artist's" sole intent was to make you figure it out for him, then he's being lazy and has therefore failed to create art
05:29 <GodTodd> then there's escher...
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> thought-provoking :)
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> disturbing!
05:30 <GodTodd> or as he'd be known "weird stairways dude"
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, my definition is too simplistic.  Was Poe an artist?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> or just a craftsman?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> Poe and Escher are very similar in intent, near as I can tell
05:30 <Sticky_> anyway me -> bed
05:31  * Lucifer_arma lays on Sticky_ (hi there!) 
05:31 <Sticky_> well hello
05:31 <Sticky_> dont see you here often
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> aha, figured out what I need to do
05:31 <Sticky_> night all
05:31 <GodTodd> the difference between artist and craftsman, i think, is innovation and "assembly line attitude"
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I need to take the opposite force that makes a couple and project the force that's actually there onto it, resolving that force into a component parallel with that couple and a component perpendicular to it
05:32 <GodTodd> well...of course
05:32 <GodTodd> you didn't know that? ;)
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so either.  :)  I think the difference between an artist and a craftsman is in whether or not there's a message
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> and we'd have to define message to go much further
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> a craftsman uses his creativity and his skills to create something functional, or to perform a function
05:33 <GodTodd> i think, for instance, a good piece of furniture can be art
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, within the bounds of my thinking, fine, if it carries a message
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> but if it's just a beautiful piece of furniture, I can admire it and love it and don't ever have to call it art
05:34 <GodTodd> i don't think art *has* to carry a message tho
05:34 <GodTodd> most does but not all
05:34 <GodTodd> i think art is only art when someone *thinks* it's art
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a lot of pretention surrounding the non-message stuff that I'd either prefer not to define art and all and to shun it, or to define in a way that cuts out the pretension
05:35 <GodTodd> which is what makes it so subjective
05:35 <GodTodd> art and pretention go hand in hand
05:35 <GodTodd> just the idea of "getting it" is pretentious
05:36 <GodTodd> "that splotch is a symbol of the decay of society.  *any* fool can see that!"
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's my point
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> that splotch is more than likely some splotch some guy made and said "it's art!", but had no message to convey
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> then went and sold it for a million bucks
05:38 <GodTodd> right...but there are people that see it as art
05:38 <GodTodd> therefore, message or no, to them it's art
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> more power to him, he just lightened the pockets of some pretentious twerp
05:38 <GodTodd> even when we think its a big piece of splotchy shit :)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, see, if they don't get the artist's message, it's not art!  ;)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> so if I write a story with a certain message, and you don't get that message, I failed in my intent
05:39 <GodTodd> even if his message was "i'ma get someone to pay a million for this splotch"?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> you might find other good messages, stuff I transmitted without thinking, or portions of the message
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> now, see, that doesn't make the splotch art, but it does make it part of an artistic endeavor
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> art is instantaneous
05:40 <GodTodd> btw...the mona lisa is smiling because someone is eating her pussy
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> when it happens, it happens instantaneously and is over
05:40 <GodTodd> you know that right?
05:40 <GodTodd> :)
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not on wikipedia, it's not true!
05:40 <GodTodd> so...art is a derivative of a person's emotional/intellectual capacity?
05:41 <GodTodd> take the derivative of that capacity and you get their view of art *at that moment*
05:41 <GodTodd> :)
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> sure
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> so it makes sense then that the more a person tries to achieve art, either as an artist or as an appreciator, the more he will increase his emotional/intellectual capacity
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> but if a person is only pretending, they are not increasing their emotiona/intellectual capacity
05:51 <GodTodd> right :)
05:51 <GodTodd> exactly
05:51 <GodTodd> we've discovered the secret of true art through calculus :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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08:33 <luke-jr> power's back and I'm setup
08:33 <luke-jr> took the chance to reorganize everything
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11:06 <spidey> #night
11:06 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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12:02 <timofonic> Hi
12:07 <wrtlprnft> hi
12:10 <timofonic> Nevermind, I remember there are a gentoo overlay on armagetron svn :)
12:10 <timofonic> I'm updating this...
12:18 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: What's the recommended version to install? The one of the topic?
12:18 <wrtlprnft>
12:19 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Why the admagetronad overlay has all it's packages masked? :(
12:19 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: And the evil -live stuff, I use paludis and not needing hacky stuff
12:20 <wrtlprnft> i dunno
12:20 <wrtlprnft> luke has …weird… ways of doing things
12:20 <timofonic> :(
12:20 <timofonic> Where is him?
12:20 <wrtlprnft> usually he's in here
12:21 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: But it seems not now, ok
12:21 <wrtlprnft> but he's in america somewhere, so it's somewhere around 5am for him
12:21 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Probably eating a burger? :P
12:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe
12:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe just sleeping ;)
12:22 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Do coders sleep?
12:22 <wrtlprnft> sometimes
12:23 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Do they sleep with code? :P
12:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
12:24 <wrtlprnft> sometimes they sleep in an ASCII art bed
12:24 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Is that comfortable? Ascii characters are heavy or like sponges?
12:24 <wrtlprnft> the one with accents are quite soft
12:24 <wrtlprnft> *ones
12:25 <timofonic> uhm :)
12:25 <timofonic>  * Bad digests encountered for the following components:
12:25 <timofonic>  *   * spanishvoices.zip
12:25 <timofonic> :(
12:25 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should update my overlay and see if it works
12:25 <timofonic> armagetronad overlay is b0rken!
12:25 <wrtlprnft> trouble is that the old one works just fine and still uses the latest source
12:25 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Are you another mad gentoo user?
12:25 <wrtlprnft> mad?
12:26 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Yes, one of those evil linux ricers!
12:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:26 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: I'm joking :)
12:26 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: I use paludis
12:27 <wrtlprnft> mathias@colin $ grep CFLAGS /etc/make.conf                                                                                                  ~
12:27 <wrtlprnft> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=prescott -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
12:27 <wrtlprnft> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
12:27 <wrtlprnft> pretty boring
12:27 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Not funroll funloops? Not -mricer?
12:27 <wrtlprnft> -O9 ftw!
12:27 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Not -l33t ?
12:28 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: It works?
12:29 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Here it can't fetch spanishvoices.zip :(
12:29 <wrtlprnft> sec
12:29 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Ok
12:32 <wrtlprnft> uh, do you speak spanish?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> apparently the file doesn't exíst anymore: http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/PreResource/spanishvoices.zip
12:34 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Yes
12:34 <wrtlprnft> well, do you need the moviesounds?
12:35 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: Already fetched correctly
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12:35 <wrtlprnft> oh
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12:37 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't think i can help you very much
12:37 <wrtlprnft> never wrote an ebuild myself
12:38 <timofonic> wrtlprnft: No problem
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13:09 <noob7> woooooow, new radiohead album comeing oktober 10th / december 10th: http://www.inrainbows.com/
13:11 <timofonic> Nobody has spanishvoices.zip there?
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13:12 <noob7> whats that timofonic?
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13:20 <^^AciD^^> omg i officaly hate irc
13:20 <^^AciD^^> or maybe its just the mIRC user interface'
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17:59 <Bougo> #ping
17:59 <armabot> pong
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19:31 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?p=29#29 ← i love how phpbb doesn't handle byte order marks
19:32 <epsy> lol
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19:56 <MrBougo> bye
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21:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: http://technocrat.net/d/2007/10/1/27924
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I think Huey Lewis said it best when he said "If this is it, please let me know!"
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22:04 <G5_Ger> #tea
22:05 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): .:] flash, BLACK KIGTH, Durka, hoop, Zop, ~|DS|~sunny, ¦Ö¦FoFo
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22:24  * GodTodd finds it worrisome that Lucifer_arma actually quoted huey lewis...
22:27 <DrJoeTron> theres nothing wrong with quoting huey lewis
22:28 <GodTodd> bah...whatta you know? :P
22:29 <DrJoeTron> :V
22:29 <DrJoeTron> anything super interesting happen lately?
22:30 <GodTodd> sure
22:35 <GodTodd> joe, wtf were you when i needed a 12in x 12in collage of german cultural pictures?
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22:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:36 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 79.2°F (3:35 PM CDT on October 01, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.10 in 985.3 hPa (Falling).
22:36 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
22:36 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 89.8°F (3:23 PM CDT on October 01, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).
22:36 <GodTodd> storms coming, i reckon
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23:02 <Ady> #tea
23:02 <armabot> Ady: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): david, Daywalker, eggcozy, hoop, Lêgïöðnå1rê	~|D, MaZuffeR, pavelo, Radian, Snack, ~*SP*~Pez, ¦Ö¦Qico, ¦×¥ FoFo
23:02 <Ady> #serverinfo elimination
23:02 <armabot> Ady: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: No online players.
23:02 <Ady> #serverinfo ddl
23:02 <armabot> Ady: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ddl” at the moment, sorry.
23:02 <Ady> #serverinfo durka
23:02 <armabot> Ady: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “durka” at the moment, sorry.
23:02 <Ady> #serverinfo durkadurkaland
23:02 <armabot> Ady: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “durkadurkaland” at the moment, sorry.
23:03 <Ady> #serverinfo land
23:03 <armabot> Ady: Swampland II: Players (8/16): Anumeric, jonnyt, King Leonidas, matthew, Misinformed Tan, Pain(Bia), tails, Tristan
23:03 <Ady> #serverinfo DDL
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23:03 <armabot> Ady: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ddl” at the moment, sorry.
23:03 <Ady> arf
23:03 <Ady> hi ghab
23:03 <ghableska> hi ady
23:03 <Ady> #serverinfo ¬ddl¬
23:03 <armabot> Ady: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “¬ddl¬” at the moment, sorry.
23:04 <Ady> #echo Ady is pathetic.
23:04 <armabot> Ady is pathetic.
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23:11 <Ady> #quote get #armagetron 34
23:11 <armabot> Ady: Quote #34: "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady" (added by spidey at 01:17 AM, November 11, 2006)
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00:28 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) gusting to 40 km/h (25 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 10C(50F).; Tuesday - A mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) late in the (1 more message)
00:28 <Vanhayes> #more
00:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: morning. High 16C(61F). UV index 4 or moderate. Tuesday night cloudy. 60 percent chance of drizzle overnight. Fog patches developing late in the evening. Low 10C(50F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of drizzle. High 20C(68F).;
00:28 <Vanhayes> #weather red deer
00:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Red Deer, Alberta is 57.2°F (4:00 PM MDT on October 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
00:29 <ghableska_> #weather 50266
00:29 <armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.5°F (5:28 PM CDT on October 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.07 in 984.3 hPa (Falling).
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01:17 <QUARG> hello is lukejr in the house?
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01:30 <luke-jr> …
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02:28 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/shot0001.jpg
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03:57 <Lucifer_arma> don't need money, don't need fame, don't need no credit cards to ride in this train
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04:29 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14853939&ft=1&f=1001
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05:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ping
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I know what'll get his attention
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: civ
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05:56 <GodTodd> you want his attention you do it like this...
05:57 <GodTodd> spidey: free pot and vodka!
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06:08 <luke-jr> LOL
06:09 <spidey> x
06:09 <spidey> ?
06:10 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: pong
06:10 <spidey> GodTodd: where?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> civ?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in a foul mood and want to blow shit up
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> small map, lots of gold and settlers and high tech, etc
06:10 <spidey> FPS seem to take care of that with me :D
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, when did all the civs declare war on me?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, my mood isn't an angry mood, just generally foul
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a grab a smoke, if you want to play some civ when I get back, say so :)
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> of course most other people are invited too, but I want a pretty quick-moving game
06:17 <luke-jr> I might
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, anybody up for civ?
06:25 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7358 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/english_base_notranslate.txt: some of these should be translated? (ps, Im up for civ maybe)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com port 5555
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv 2.0.9
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> one more cigarette, then I'm starting the game with whoever's there :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I guess that's it
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you playing?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> man, did he pass out right after saying something?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> poor spidey
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> he's been bugging us for civ for awhile, and now there's a game and he's nowhere to be found
07:00 <spidey> ok
07:00 <spidey> did you make me a AI like i told luke to tell you to do?
07:00 <spidey> i decided not to play in this scrim we're having
07:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma:
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> no we didn't, but there's ais for you to pick
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> we're only on like the 3rd turn
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> about to set turn timeout, so hurry :)
07:01 <spidey> do i have time to compile teh warclient?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> probably not
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> you could join with the old client, and start compiling the warclient, and when it's ready, rejoin with it
07:03 <spidey> ./observe: Sorry, one can't observe globally in this game.
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08:55 <Lucifer_arma> er, server going slow?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
08:56 <armabot> pong
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> !  :(
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv is stalling at network connect
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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09:02 <spidey> ...
09:02 <luke-jr> …
09:02 <luke-jr> wtf
09:02 <luke-jr> that had better been on purpose :/
09:05 <luke-jr> he's almost booted
09:05 <luke-jr> :o
09:06 <spidey> ..
09:06 <luke-jr> by that I mean, his network stack is up
09:06 <luke-jr> :p
09:06 <luke-jr> as is his website
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09:06 <luke-jr> there he is
09:06 <luke-jr> #last --nolimit
09:07 <armabot> luke-jr: [09:05:49] <luke-jr> there he is, [09:05:45] <luke-jr> as is his website, [09:05:25] <luke-jr> :p, [09:05:24] <luke-jr> by that I mean, his network stack is up, [09:05:14] <spidey> .., [09:04:30] <luke-jr> :o, [09:04:29] <luke-jr> he's almost booted, [09:01:46] <luke-jr> that had better been on purpose :/, [09:01:31] <luke-jr> wtf, [09:01:21] <luke-jr> …, [09:01:19] <spidey> ..., [09:00:47] (50 more messages)
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> did the server crash?
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I know what happened
09:07 <luke-jr> #echo you rebooted it or something
09:07 <armabot> you rebooted it or something
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, it was totally not on purpose
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> this time I started it in a screen session
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> restoring from 500BC
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> you can reconnect now
09:15 <spidey> liar
09:15 <spidey> don't tell luke that, he might actually connect :S
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11:15 <luke-jr> #echo Lucifer_arma: …
11:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: …
11:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma:
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11:19 <deja_vu> spidey:
11:20 <spidey> deja_vu: !!
11:20 <deja_vu> !!
11:20 <deja_vu> o.o
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11:21 <spidey> o.o
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11:50 <Lucifer_arma_> well, when y'all start your invasion, you're going to get a good laugh :)
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11:51 <Lucifer_arma> my whole navy's concentrated around mordor, so they won't be able to stop you, or even retaliate much because it's all cruisers
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> my home cities are all defended by riflemen :)
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> never bothered upgrading the MI since I couldn't just buy that upgrade, and we were warring in Mordor
11:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: we're using your server for chat
11:51 <luke-jr> :p
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> so there was no threat
11:51 <luke-jr> there hasn't been a single turn gone by
11:52 <luke-jr> I was just spoiling X-Files for spidey
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, after I had pushed past my defensive line against iceland, I tore it down.  Didn't need it anymore
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> might have had some riflemen still fortified
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey had been building long enough that he should've been able to just walk all over me in a few turns
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I'd probably hold it against him if he couldn't :)
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> if he moved quickly enough, I didn't have high enough production to muster up a defense
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> he probably had a window of like 10 turns where I was really weak
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> after that, don't know, I don't think I could've mustered a defense against him anyway, because the cities he would have taken while I was doing that were paying for the factories in the cities I'd have to use to muster the defense
12:00 <spidey> actually
12:00 <spidey> i had 4 MI and a tank in each city
12:01 <spidey> i knew if i was gonna do it,and pull it off
12:01 <spidey> i'd have to have a really good defense
12:01 <spidey> so
12:01 <spidey> coastal defense
12:01 <spidey> SDI
12:01 <spidey> and walls in each city
12:01 <spidey> costs me 94 /turn
12:01 <luke-jr> pfft walls
12:01 <spidey> SDI mainly
12:02 <spidey> i was gonna go in with howitzers
12:02 <spidey> and nukes if i really needed
12:02 <spidey> i was close to having manhattened project
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> with about 20 howitzers, you should have had me taken out in 5 turns or so
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> assuming enough MI to take the cities after the howitzers cleared them
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> I still had a pretty good war going on in Mordor's land, so I couldn't use those cities for much, would have to convert their production to continue that war
12:03 <spidey> well
12:03 <spidey> the reason they lasted so long was because i poured over 10k into mordors
12:03 <luke-jr> that seems redundant
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> that one island I took from Mordor was badly underdeveloped when I took it, and all I did was rail it, and make a couple of the cities build cruise missiles
12:03 <luke-jr> lol
12:03 <spidey> i did that so i'd have a longer window to build
12:03 <luke-jr> so spidey was the enemy all along ;p
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'll believe that was a factor, but my production was piss-poor
12:03 <luke-jr> sneaky
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> highest city was only 29?  come on!  ;)
12:04 <spidey> i had a 24 without factories
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> I was losing units faster than I could reinforce them
12:04 <spidey> my cities where production rich without them
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, mine were factories + hoover dam
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> and still my highest city was only 29
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's why I don't think I could've built a defense
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if I had taken the time to MI my cities I could have pulled some reserves to stall your advance
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> but since I hadn't done that, and I only had riflemen, there was no chance
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> riflemen are one hit with a howitzer, you can clear a city that has only 2 riflemen in it with one howitzer
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> since I didn't have howitzers, and I only had tanks, you could get away with just moving one MI to take the city after clearing it, freeing that howitzer for the next turn
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> because tanks against MI take about 3-4 tanks per MI to take a city
12:06 <spidey> yea
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> assuming no city walls, of course (which is what I had, no city walls.  The only walled cities I had were the defensive line I built against iceland)
12:07 <spidey> see my main worry was
12:07 <spidey> the bombers you still had in your base cities
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> none
12:07 <spidey> plus the ones  across on the mordor's island
12:07 <spidey> and your cruisers
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> 1
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> my cruisers were busy, and cruisers are useless attacking cities unless you have a bunch to spend on it
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> I was losing bombers fast fighting mordor, that's why I started building cruise missiles
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm going to lose my heavy artillery on an attack, I want a cheap replacement :)
12:08 <spidey> heh
12:08 <spidey> if you had enough
12:08 <spidey> you might could have gotten me
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> I did suddenly remember that I had 3 bombers on auto-attack in one of your cities
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was using my missiles as soon as they were built
12:08 <spidey> but the SDI is the main thing that would have protected me from you
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> trying not to let luke get the drop on me over there :)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> it would have been no contest :)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if you wanted to just pwn me, that was a good game to do it in
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> but if you're wanting to really fight me and see who would win, that game wasn't a good one to do it in :)
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> I had configured for fighting ai after we all 3 allied, and didn't bother building defenses against humans
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> remember those forts I built to make sure luke didn't put cities in that area between us?
12:10 <spidey> ya
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> I wound up putting cities there
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> that's an area I would have not settled if we were going to fight :)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> I would have smallpoxed the iceland cities I took instead to get my coinage cities
12:11 <spidey> heh
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> lots of places to build internal defenses that I didn't build, etc.
12:11 <spidey> i didn't really check out your cities
12:11 <spidey> so i didn't know what i was up against completely, just what i'd seen you attacking with
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> you should have, you would probably have decided it wasn't worth it
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> since the next game I'm not going to trust you :)
12:12 <spidey> :P
12:12 <spidey> well
12:12 <spidey> i'd always wanted to try it
12:12 <spidey> so i figured i would :P
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> it was a good strategy
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> and I won't lie, I figured you were preparing something against me
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> quite a ways before I mentioned it :)
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> I just didn't care, since I figured by the time you were going to move, I was going to be done playing anyway
12:13 <spidey> lol
12:14 <spidey> but i didn't even show any signs of it...
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> I was ready to quit an hour ago or so, when it was pretty obvious we were going to win against mordor (it wasn't clear when I started fighting them, they were tough)
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you did
12:14 <spidey> because techniqually it wasn't even a plan until about 10 turns before i did it
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  You didn't go offensive, and you quit science.
12:14 <spidey> i didn't quit science :P
12:14 <spidey> i was stil lpulling 300ish pts/turn
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> you quit feeding me science, anyway
12:15 <spidey> should have asked for it :P
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's another thing I would've done, brought my own science up :)
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I'm not faulting you for it, just saying that's a sign
12:15 <spidey> i wasn't really paying attention to what tech i got till a few turns before i decided to betray
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> my own attitude is the same, if you want it, come ask for it, otherwise you get it when I get around to it
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> there were other signs, but I forget what they were now
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, big one
12:16 <spidey> i didn't go offensive because
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  When you're planning a betrayal against me, you get real quiet towards me.
12:16 <spidey> i had 0 units
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> usually you tell me what you're going to do when you're wanting me to help or stand aside
12:16 <spidey> in all my cities untill a few turns before :P
12:16 <spidey> well
12:17 <spidey> i had 2 units in the cities that needed them oto keep 'em out of disorder
12:17 <luke-jr> LOL
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, and 3.  I hadn't protected you this game, so you didn't really owe me anything
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> which meant it was a real possibility you'd do it :)
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> 10 turns before we turned off the timeout would have been 20 minutes
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure when I first started thinking you were up to something
12:18 <spidey> lol
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> might have been longer, those 10 turns, since the timeout was up to 2.5 minutes, now that I think about it
12:19 <spidey> well
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, when you delay going offense against an ai, it's usually because you're building defenses for a human
12:19 <spidey> the last 5ish turns lasted atleast 5 minutes
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> because you know damn well if your offensive is even just mediocre, the ai won't threaten you after you attack him
12:20 <spidey> not true :)
12:20 <spidey> you should know by now
12:20 <spidey> if i go in, i go in with overkill
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> man, you neglect your home defenses against ais as much as I do
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe not that much, but still quite a bit
12:21 <spidey> yea
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you wouldn't leave a bunch of riflemen as your only defensive units, but you still wouldn't take time to build SDIs and shit
12:21 <spidey> lol
12:21 <spidey> i'd leave atleast 2 MI
12:21 <spidey> unless the game was almost over and i needed extra units right hten
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> you want your piece of the loot, and the only way to get it when I'm going offensive on the bastard is if you hurry up and get over there :)
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> I never managed to even put all the auto-attackers I wanted
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> really, I've decided my defenses even against ais aren't complete without 2 auto-attackers in every city
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> that gives me 1 unit per city for a strategic reserve and still leaves 1 auto-attacker
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> at the end of the game, I get an extra reserve
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> the one invasion mordor tried, I shut down almost immediately
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> the real fight with mordor, probably where the game was decided, was a navy battle and a land campaign that luke ran
12:23 <spidey> heh
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I fought the navy battle, luke fought the land campaign
12:23 <spidey> the reason you broke them
12:23 <spidey> is because i quit feeding them gold when i finsally needed it
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> they weren't broken yet :)
12:24 <spidey> i was giving the 1k+ a turn
12:24 <spidey> until i needed it for my stuff
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> we were winning, but he kept sending pretty good counterattacks
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, thing is, the cities he had were good enough for hiim to keep up a good defense even after that
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> there was a point where it seemed the defense got weaker, I"ll give you that
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> your gold certainly helped them a lot
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> but dunedain was the one with the real problem.  :)  Did you have contact with them?
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12:25 <Lucifer_arma> mordor got easy after luke took their capital
12:25 <spidey> yea
12:26 <spidey> i bought a fighter outright
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't check, but I suspect mordor and dunedain were fighting each other
12:26 <spidey> and crashed it beside there city
12:26 <spidey> rofl
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> haha
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> man, at the beginning of my invasion, I was buying 3 bombers every 2 turns
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> so I wasn't paying full price, but I was still paying ~1500 gold every time
12:26 <spidey> heh
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> and now I know what it looks like when a human is propping up an AI :)
12:27 <spidey> :P
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> I still don't think luke would've taken their capital if I hadn't invaded before he moved
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> mordor put one of those huge unit stacks next to that city after I took it, and I hit it with my bomber
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> then it was like 2 turns before luke moved in
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> and he took 3 cities and then stopped
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I guess he was waiting for his new army to be built
12:29 <spidey> lol
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I was fighting mordor on a shoestring.  I didn't want to have to save it off and restore it later, I wanted to be at least at a decisive moment, so we could quit and not feel like we had to restore
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm going to bed, I'm sleepy
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> another time, we'll fight.  One of these days, we just have to not start it at 4am
12:34 <spidey> lol
12:34 <spidey> ok
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15:47 <beta_USA> hey
15:48 <beta_USA> greetings deja_vu eddiefantastic noob13 & paleman (:p) wrtlprnft and everyone i might know (or not)
15:48 <wrtlprnft> hi
15:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192108#192108
15:53 <deja_vu> hey beta_USA :)
15:59 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I think I fixed that already
15:59  * luke-jr notes that when he comes in here and yells for a test, people should actually tell him if those tests fail ☺
16:00 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/add-resource/upload.suid-php
16:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you're right, that page doesn't show up wrong
16:01 <luke-jr> what about it?
16:01 <wrtlprnft> but the error message is missing a </body></html>
16:01 <luke-jr> so add it
16:01 <wrtlprnft> nvm
16:01 <luke-jr> I think it's cuz FreeNode booted him for flooding
16:01 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even have an xhtml header
16:02 <luke-jr> oh that
16:02 <luke-jr> I don't think PHP is XHTML compatible
16:02 <wrtlprnft> so it gets parsed as invalid html 4.01 transitional, and the missing end tags aren't even errors
16:02 <wrtlprnft> ?!
16:02 <luke-jr> at least, not unless you avoid 'die' and such
16:02 <wrtlprnft> write your own error reporting function
16:02 <luke-jr> nah
16:03 <luke-jr> I'm slowly starting to use Perl for stuff anyway
16:03 <wrtlprnft> eek
16:03 <luke-jr> lol
16:03 <luke-jr> first-class regexs are tempting
16:04 <luke-jr> too bad the whole braces syntax is screwed up
16:04 <luke-jr> eg, you MUST use braces in an 'if' statement
16:04 <luke-jr> on the bright side, it means functions can take code blocks as arguments O.o
16:05  * wrtlprnft always puts braces around the contents of if statements
16:05 <wrtlprnft> much more convienient for quickly pasting debug code
16:07 <luke-jr> potentially
16:07 <luke-jr> or you could use a comma instead of a semicolon on the debug thing
16:07 <luke-jr> debug('I got here'),
16:07 <luke-jr> in C, anyhow
16:08 <wrtlprnft> true
16:08 <wrtlprnft> does , guarantee execution order?
16:08 <luke-jr> I believe so
16:09 <luke-jr> basically , is like || or &&, but without the condition attached
16:09 <luke-jr> a,b is (a||1)&&b
16:09 <luke-jr> ;)
16:10 <wrtlprnft> not exactly
16:10 <wrtlprnft> a,b returns the value of b
16:10 <wrtlprnft> even if b=42
16:10 <wrtlprnft> in that case (a||1)&&b would return 1, but a,b would return 42 :)
16:11 <luke-jr> so does (a||1)&&b
16:11 <wrtlprnft> nope.
16:11 <wrtlprnft> && always returns 0 or 1
16:11 <luke-jr> nope
16:11 <wrtlprnft> (a && 0) + b would be the same thing as a,b for ints :)
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16:12 <luke-jr> odd
16:12  * luke-jr ponders where he got the idea that a&&b returned 0 or b
16:13 <luke-jr> MOO
16:13 <luke-jr> :p
16:13 <luke-jr> probably Perl too
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 	int a=123, b=42;
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 	std::cout << ((a||1) && b) << std::endl;
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 	std::cout << (a,b) << std::endl;
16:13 <wrtlprnft> writes 1\n42\n ;)
16:19 <beta_USA> hm. I don't know C++ but what's the use of "a,b" ?
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16:44 <luke-jr> beta_USA: apparently threefold
16:44 <luke-jr> 1) to inject debug stuff in a single line of code
16:44 <luke-jr> 2) to get the RHS as a value
16:45 <luke-jr> 3) to put multiple things in a for statement
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17:03 <beta_USA> luke-jr: hum ok. Thanks.
17:04 <epsy> hay
17:06  * beta_USA salue epsy 
17:06 <epsy> :P
17:06 <epsy> fôte d'orthogaffe
17:06 <epsy> #tea
17:06 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): Player 1
17:06 <epsy> heh
17:06 <epsy> #onlineservers
17:06 <armabot> epsy: This data is 17 seconds old; ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L an d | ¬ (13/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), WILDCAT (8/16), || T R O N   T R A C K  || (7/16), Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (5/16), Norm's Place (4/12), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (4/12), SPACEZONE FORMULA 1 (2/8), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2/10), Strawberry (1 more message)
17:07 <epsy> #sd sumo
17:07 <armabot> epsy: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (5/16): (mo) SpinAce, 11184810, Beni, Not bad, ~|DS|~ mescalin
17:07 <epsy> #sd wildcat
17:07 <armabot> epsy: WILDCAT: Players (8/16): -=0a)itachi, -=0a)Jin, Bloody_Moo, Crank, P, Speedy, WhiteRider.EC|d, |SpZ|the spider
17:23 <beta_USA> #sd west
17:23 <armabot> beta_USA: Wild West  =Capture The Flag=: Players (8/10): (manTights), anti christ, C&T ROADRUNNER, Hi, Lj, Olive Juice, Player 1, Ricky Bobby
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18:08 <epsy> #tea
18:08 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): Alpha Geek, Player 1
18:08 <epsy> #sd bugfarm
18:08 <armabot> epsy: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (10/16): -{GP}-rugkei, CT~Kîðg, F@]Mary, jimbo, Not bad, Speedy, _TEST_, ~*SP*~Pez, ~|DS|~sunny, ¦×¥flex
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18:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/cells-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
18:45 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/obelisk-5.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
18:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/launch-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
18:47 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/mellowtron-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
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19:21 <luke-jr> I presume that means all is good now
19:22 <epsy> :P
19:27 <luke-jr> darn, I think I liked not having it working
19:27 <luke-jr> now I have to sort through DeliverXML emails agian
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20:15 <wrtlprnft> things you never wanted to know: (a-b+c)^11 = http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/a-b+ctothepowerof11.png
20:16 <beta_USA> awesome wrtlprnft :)
20:16 <wrtlprnft> well, i did (a-b+c-d)^11, too, but the image gets too big for opera
20:16 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/a-b+c-dtothepowerof11.png
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20:16 <wrtlprnft> gimp can load it
20:17 <wrtlprnft> konqueror, too, but kuickshow can't
20:18 <beta_USA> works fine in iceweasel
20:18 <wrtlprnft> my ff says it contains errors
20:18 <wrtlprnft> ie6 just crashes, as expected
20:18 <beta_USA> XD
20:18 <wrtlprnft> and ie7 does the same, at least on wine
20:19 <beta_USA> ?? Firefox works fine. Iceweasel too.
20:19 <wrtlprnft> dunno, it's the latest released version
20:20 <wrtlprnft> what os are you on? maybe ff uses different libs depending on the os
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20:21 <beta_USA> Ubuntu (firefox) && debian (iceweasel)
20:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm, weird
20:22 <wrtlprnft> ok, ie6 doesn't crash on win98/qemu, but it doesn't render anything useful
20:22  * wrtlprnft loads his winxp image
20:25 <wrtlprnft> never mind xp, doesn't boot up x_X
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20:35 <epsy> wrtlprnft, are you avaliable to play this w/e ?
20:43 <wrtlprnft> if it's not friday i should be
21:09 <epsy> ok
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21:35 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/chesscoaster/
21:35 <wrtlprnft> people are crazy.
21:37 <epsy> that's inspired from one of his comics lol!
21:37 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:42 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/kite/
21:42 <wrtlprnft> also check the kite trick link at the very bottom
21:44 <MaZuffeR> amazing kite photos from Helsinki: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timonoko/sets/137298/
21:45 <epsy> lol!
21:45 <wrtlprnft> nice
21:46 <MaZuffeR> and also kite video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7670240011151997170
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's awesome
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> the chesscoaster, I mean, haven't looked at the kit photos
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter was unimpressed
22:06 <spidey> haha
22:08 <spidey> eerr
22:09 <spidey> diff > whatever.patch   <--that righT?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> close
22:09 <wrtlprnft> sort of
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's some arguments people normally want, though
22:09 <wrtlprnft> it's usable :)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> -u i think
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to let svn do the diff for me :)
22:10 <wrtlprnft> :D
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192159#192159  <--- I'm sooooo helpful.
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I think it would be neat if arma could do the streaming
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> but it would probably be better to just make a script for arma that'll control a streaming media server, and make the client able to connect to it
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> (the streaming media server, not the script)
22:13 <spidey> lol
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: did you guys set a turn timeout before you left the game last night?
22:14 <spidey> i think
22:15 <spidey> because we where talking about xfiles for like 15 minutes
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22:16 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you didn't
22:16 <G5_Ger> Hi
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> kinda too bad, it's entertaining to see what happens when all the humans leave a server and the ais take over for awhile
22:57 <G5_Ger> #lastseen monkey
22:57 <armabot> G5_Ger: Stupid Monkey has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 14 minutes ago.
23:02 <beta_USA> #lastseen csheel
23:02 <beta_USA> #lastseen cshell
23:02 <armabot> beta_USA: timed out
23:02 <armabot> beta_USA: cShellz :-) has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag= 2 days 20 hours 42 minutes ago.
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23:20 <madmax> #tea
23:20 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (19/32): .:] SageLord, cicciuz, ct-eddie, eggcozy, ender|mbc|, epsy|T|, kain111, Lackadaisical, Lêfïõñmå0rê, MaZuffeR, pavelo, rabbip jacob, Y0Y0, ~*<y<lo*~, ~*SP*~Pez, ~|DS|~Judders, ~|DS|~segv, ~|DS|~Slash, ¦×¥Rico
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02:07 <beta_USA> #lastseen ota
02:07 <armabot> beta_USA: ota fan has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag= 4 hours 38 minutes ago.
02:07 <beta_USA> #lastseen ota|
02:07 <armabot> beta_USA: ota|MBC| has last been seen on |FA| Clan Server - Devils Rings! 1 day 20 hours 12 minutes ago.
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03:33 <tramshed> #lastseen dooder
03:33 <armabot> tramshed: timed out
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04:17 <spidey> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k311/nodnarb4242/925798884_l.jpg
04:17 <ghableska> wtf spidey
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04:22 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why are those PNGs?
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05:07 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv, heh
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know how long I'm a play it, but I"m going to start it right now
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> so be prepared to take an ai if you join
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05:24 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: …
05:35 <spidey> luke-jr: join foo
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06:12 <luke-jr> Connection Refused foo
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm bored now
06:51 <luke-jr> …
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08:24 <luke-jr> spidey:
08:25 <spidey> ?
08:38 <luke-jr> spidey: civ?
09:01 <spidey> ...
09:02 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: because i used wikipedia's formula thing to generate them
09:02 <wrtlprnft> and yacas to get the actual TeX
09:06 <luke-jr> spidey: too late
09:06 <luke-jr> well, turn like 5
09:06 <luke-jr> if you want an AI
09:07 <spidey> luke-jr:
09:07 <spidey> i'll play if
09:08 <spidey> you tell me how to resolve this :P
09:08 <luke-jr> …
09:08 <spidey> dinput.h and dsound.h  <--which libraries are those in? :P
09:08 <luke-jr> um, none
09:08 <spidey> =/
09:08 <luke-jr> 1) they're headers
09:09 <luke-jr> 2) I know nothing about DirectX
09:09 <spidey> well
09:09 <spidey> i don't know why it uses dx
09:09 <spidey> it uses opengl =/
09:10 <luke-jr> obviously not
09:10 <spidey> does on linux :P
09:10 <spidey> does on windows too
09:10 <spidey> i think those are just for sound/input
09:11 <luke-jr> still DirectX
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12:01 <luke-jr> ⁂
12:11 <tramshed> snowflakes.
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13:26 <luke-jr> ⁂
13:26 <luke-jr> triple asterisk :p
13:26 <luke-jr> ☹
13:26 <luke-jr> ☺
13:26 <luke-jr> …
13:26 <luke-jr> hm
13:26 <luke-jr> forgot to do …
13:26 <luke-jr> <3
13:26 <luke-jr> :o
13:30 <spidey> <lukeisanub3
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13:36 <luke-jr> <3 spidey
13:36 <luke-jr> wtf
13:36  * luke-jr peers
13:36 <luke-jr> :)
13:37 <luke-jr> :☆
13:37 <luke-jr> gr
13:37 <luke-jr> ☺
13:38 <luke-jr> :p
13:38 <luke-jr> :þ
13:38 <luke-jr> =þ
13:38 <luke-jr> ¼
13:38 <luke-jr> ¾
13:38 <luke-jr> ½
13:38 <luke-jr> ©
13:38 <luke-jr> ©
13:38 <luke-jr> ℃
13:38 <luke-jr> ℉
13:38 <luke-jr> ₧
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁓
13:39 <luke-jr> ‽
13:39 <luke-jr> ‽
13:39 <luke-jr> ‼
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁉
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁈
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁇
13:39 <luke-jr> ♬
13:39 <luke-jr> ⚅⚄⚃⚂⚁⚀
13:39 <luke-jr> ☆
13:39 <luke-jr> ☒
13:39 <luke-jr> ☑
13:39 <luke-jr> ☐
13:39 <luke-jr> ♡
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁑
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁑*
13:39 <spidey> ...
13:39 <luke-jr> ⁂⁑
13:40 <luke-jr> ⁂
13:40 <luke-jr> …
13:40 <luke-jr> ☹
13:40 <luke-jr> ☺
13:40 <spidey> noob
13:40 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=noob
13:40 <luke-jr> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
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13:41 <spidey> րםםճ
13:41 <luke-jr> pwnt
13:41 <luke-jr> ☺
13:41 <luke-jr> wtf
13:41 <luke-jr> ⁂
13:41 <luke-jr> :[p
13:41 <luke-jr> :þ
13:42 <luke-jr> #dice
13:42 <armabot> luke-jr: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
13:42 <luke-jr> #dice 4
13:42 <spidey> ᅮᅮᅮ
13:42 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
13:42 <luke-jr> #dice 1d6
13:42 <armabot> luke-jr: 4
13:42 <luke-jr> it needs to use ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
13:42 <luke-jr> err
13:42 <luke-jr> ⚀ ⚁ ⚂ ⚃ ⚄ ⚅
13:42 <luke-jr> ☺
13:43 <spidey> «¤»
13:44 <spidey> kaffine says luke sux
13:47 <spidey> does kaffine let you change the rotio?
13:47 <spidey> =/
13:47 <spidey> i can't seem to find that stupid option...
13:47 <luke-jr> …
13:48 <luke-jr> are you typing those or copying them?
13:48 <spidey> neither
13:48 <luke-jr> …
13:48 <spidey> i'm clicking, konversation ftw
13:48 <luke-jr> …
13:48 <spidey> alt+shift+c
13:48 <luke-jr> lol
13:48 <spidey> ¼½¾
13:49 <luke-jr> to get ¼, I type, 1, /, and 4
13:49 <luke-jr> konversation ftw
13:49 <spidey> 1,/,4
13:49 <spidey> ...
13:49 <luke-jr> without the commas
13:49 <luke-jr> dork
13:49 <spidey> 1/4
13:49 <spidey> ...
13:49 <luke-jr> you need to fill in the settings for autoreplace ☺
13:51 <spidey> they're filled in...
13:51 <spidey> this is a test for luke-jr${noob}
13:51 <luke-jr> with 1 / 4 ?
13:51 <spidey> nice
13:51 <spidey> now
13:52 <luke-jr> ☒
13:52 <spidey> WTF is this stupid rotio option in kaffine >:|
13:52 <luke-jr> sux
13:52 <spidey> HAH
13:52 <spidey> FOUND IT
13:53 <luke-jr> ⁂
14:38 <tramshed> snowflakes.
14:44 <spidey> ROFL @ this movie
14:45 <tramshed> what one?
14:45 <spidey> chuck and larry
14:45 <spidey> i've been laughing for the last hour
14:45 <tramshed> oh yeah
14:45 <spidey> gay is not the way!
14:46  * spidey directs that last comment at luke-jr${noob
14:46 <tramshed> man
14:46 <tramshed> my sinus's are in revolt
14:47 <luke-jr> tramshed: ⁂
14:47 <luke-jr> asterisks
14:48 <tramshed> snowflakes!
14:49 <tramshed> man
14:49 <tramshed> Im a mucus mess right now
14:52 <spidey> o.o
14:53 <luke-jr> too much Splenda?
14:54 <luke-jr> spidey: do you know what DDT is?
14:55 <luke-jr> ⁂
15:01 <luke-jr> tramshed: ‽
15:02 <spidey> department of transportation?
15:02 <luke-jr> wtf
15:02 <luke-jr> no
15:02 <spidey> ?
15:03 <luke-jr> it's an insecticide banned cuz it's too effective
15:03 <luke-jr> hurts animals and people too
15:03 <spidey> well
15:03 <spidey> don't spray it over people, big deal?
15:04 <Gursikh> yes big deal
15:04 <spidey> :p
15:05 <Gursikh> unless you like you babies being diseased and deformed.....
15:05 <spidey> so wtf you asking me about ddt for?
15:06 <luke-jr> spidey: Splenda is more or less the same stuff
15:07 <luke-jr> highly poisonous
15:07 <luke-jr> yet people are stupid and consume it
15:09 <spidey> that's what they get for being stupid
15:11 <luke-jr> :þ
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15:21 <Khalsa> whens the tourny again libervisco ?
15:22 <luke-jr> NO
15:23 <libervisco> Khalsa, As soon as the second video is out with the last announcement, and the last publicity boost dies down we'll close sign ups and soon after the first games should be scheduled :)
15:23 <Khalsa> sounds complicated
15:24 <tramshed> my mucus mishaps mainly manifest mysteriously
15:24 <luke-jr> ⁂
15:24 <tramshed> course it might of been my finger in my nose too.
15:24 <tramshed> more snowflakes!
15:24 <tramshed> MOAR!
15:24 <libervisco> Khalsa, perhaps next week already then :)
15:24 <luke-jr> ⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂⁂
15:25 <tramshed> now how about some snowmen.
15:25 <tramshed> I know there is one in UTF
15:25 <luke-jr> ☃⁂
15:26 <tramshed> just like christmas.
15:26 <tramshed> its too bad irc doesnt pass the directional chars right
15:26 <tramshed> then I could write in reverse and upside down
15:26 <luke-jr> it does
15:26 <luke-jr> your client just sucks
15:26 <luke-jr> ☺
15:27 <tramshed> everytime ive tried it no one has gotten it right
15:27 <tramshed> my client shows it fine
15:27 <tramshed> just no one elses does
15:27 <luke-jr> mine should
15:27 <luke-jr> I know it does RTL at least
15:28 <tramshed> yeah, some people get that
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15:30 <tramshed> ??asdasdas
15:30 <tramshed> fail
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15:37 <spidey> luke
15:37 <luke-jr> spidey:
15:37 <tramshed> kirk
15:37 <spidey> i think i'ma get the domain luke-jr-is-a-noob.com
15:37 <spidey> ;D
15:38 <luke-jr> spidey: as long as you register it w/ me
15:38 <spidey> LOL
15:38 <spidey>  Welcome to noob.com
15:38 <spidey> 		
15:38 <spidey> 		
15:38 <spidey> Your account has been created.
15:38 <spidey> wtf
15:38 <luke-jr> …
15:38 <spidey> they suck more than me at w/e language they're using
15:38 <spidey> XD
15:39 <luke-jr> why?
15:39 <spidey> because i didn't create a account?
15:39 <spidey> and i'ts assuming i did?
15:39 <luke-jr> wtf
15:39 <luke-jr> LOLOL
15:39 <luke-jr> I get it
15:40 <spidey> http://nubs.com/
15:40 <spidey> haha
15:41 <spidey> hey
15:41 <spidey> tell me if retard.com is available
15:41 <luke-jr> no
15:41 <spidey> =(
15:41 <luke-jr> someone in .au got it
15:41 <luke-jr> Austrailians must be pretty retarded
15:41 <spidey> haha
15:42 <spidey> find me a stupid/short domain
15:42 <spidey> :D
15:42 <luke-jr> ech, even s-t-u-p-i-d.com is taken
15:43 <tramshed> co.ck?
15:43 <spidey> lol
15:43 <tramshed> I know ck is a valid tld
15:43 <luke-jr> st00pid.org
15:43 <luke-jr> co.ck is avail maybe
15:43 <spidey> hmm
15:43 <spidey> either it doesn't have a dns entry
15:44 <spidey> or it's available
15:44 <spidey> co.ck that is
15:44 <luke-jr> whois says nothing found
15:44 <spidey> luke you do .ck domains? :P
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15:45 <luke-jr> •    ".co.ck": is used for business organisations. Companies must register their corporate name or trading name, or some form of abbreviation. For example, Telecom Cook Islands Ltd. has registered "telecom.co.ck" as their domain name.
15:45 <tramshed> if you do end up buyin it lemme get a subdomain off it, hehe
15:45 <luke-jr> LOLOL
15:45 <luke-jr> The Domain Name Registration maintenance fee for organisations or individuals who do not reside in the Cook Islands is US$150.00* for 2 years registration.
15:45 <tramshed> spidey universal computer koding
15:45 <tramshed> suck.co.ck
15:45 <spidey> ew
15:45 <tramshed> haha
15:45 <luke-jr> LOL
15:45 <spidey> i'll pass on that
15:46 <tramshed> what about su.ck
15:47 <spidey> if it's $150 i'll pass aswell :P
15:47 <tramshed> yeah, that is a lot
15:47 <tramshed> but su.ck would be an awesome domain
15:47 <spidey> heh
15:48 <tramshed> wonder if someone has who.ru
15:48 <spidey> erm
15:48 <spidey> either i'm lagging
15:48 <spidey> or there's a super slow server behind who.ru
15:48 <tramshed> yeah, someone has it
15:49 <Sticky_> http://www.ripn.net/nic/whois/en/
15:49 <Sticky_> search it for who.ru
15:49 <Sticky_> Garant-Park-Telecom
15:50 <spidey> domain:     FAG.RU
15:50 <spidey> type:       CORPORATE
15:50 <spidey> nserver:    ve.nu.
15:51 <spidey> Service Temporarily Unavailable
15:51 <spidey> i tihnk i overloaded them
15:51 <spidey> with a whole 10 searches
15:51 <spidey> xD
15:51 <tramshed> yes.no is taken too
15:55 <spidey> 3-4 buisness days my ass
15:55 <spidey> it took 8 days to withdrawl $4usd...
16:07 <epsy> http://crazy-tronners.com/ladders_new.php?server=wildfortress2&player=epsy%7Ct%7C&show=tker
16:07 <epsy> haha
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17:32 <dsop> hmm is it possible to reload settings from the bash/shell without restarting the server?
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17:52 <luke-jr> dsop: yes
17:52 <luke-jr> include some.cfg
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20:47 <beta_USA> #lastseen ota|
20:47 <beta_USA> #lastseen cshell
20:47 <armabot> beta_USA: timed out
20:47 <armabot> beta_USA: timed out
20:47 <beta_USA> :(
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21:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUKL0366497820071003
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22:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.wikihow.com/Understand-Chat-Acronyms
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I always wonder if, when you split an opponent by taking his capital, your AI allies cheer the way human allies do
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11:26 <spidey> luke-jr: ping
11:26 <spidey> or
11:26 <spidey> anyone really
11:26 <spidey> i can't get rsa or dsa keys to work =/
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12:20 <luke-jr> spidey: lame
12:25 <spidey> yea
12:25 <spidey> i did
12:25 <spidey> ssh-keygen -t rsa
12:26 <spidey> blahblah no passphrase, ssh-copy-id -i /path/to/it admin@fallin-angels.org
12:26 <spidey> then i made sure the 2 lines where uncommented in sshd_config
12:26 <spidey> they already where...so tried connecting with it
12:26 <spidey> still asked for a password =/
13:32 <luke-jr> …
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13:58 <spidey> ...
14:11 <luke-jr> …
14:23 <spidey> ...
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15:57 <spidey> yay for 87gb .tar's
15:57 <spidey> o.o
15:58 <spidey> wrong channel -.
15:58 <spidey> +-
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16:58 <spidey> hah.
17:00 <spidey> uncle got pissed cause i wasn't going to test today, he's like "look here, the sun doesn't go up and down around your ass's(me and my brother) when someone's got something to do in town,you go test" i was like "you're right, it doesn't, just the world revolves around me." he got mad and walked off xD
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17:32 <Flex-> ed you here?
17:33 <eddiefantastic> hello
17:34 <eddiefantastic> I'm alway watching the screen, waiting for someone to call my name ;)
17:34 <Flex-> got my pm?
17:34 <eddiefantastic> I'll take a look.
17:34 <Flex-> ok you didn't
17:34 <Flex-> i'm talking about on here
17:35 <eddiefantastic> then no
17:35 <Flex-> pm me for a second
17:36 <Flex-> ok nm that don't work either
17:36 <eddiefantastic> get that?
17:36 <Flex-> got it but you didn't get reply
17:36 <Flex-> join #dsfds
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19:43 <^^AciD^^> hello.
19:44 <^^AciD^^> now ima go talk to my self
20:01 <MrBougo> okay
20:01 <MrBougo> ima read
20:01 <MrBougo> ^^AciD^^:
20:01 <MrBougo> yay, i got my new laptop :DDDDD
20:01 <MrBougo> i''m not using it atm
20:02 <MrBougo> theres that vista crap on it... gotta clean up
20:13 <MrBougo> bye
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20:53 <^^AciD^^> ...
20:53 <^^AciD^^> anyone alive in here
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21:00 <Lucifer_arma> yes
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22:09 <epsy> hi
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22:29 <Lucifer_arma> lo
22:29 <epsy> ol
22:29 <epsy> :p
22:29 <wrtlprnft> *insert fancy unicode characters forming “lo” upside down here*
22:29 <epsy> didn't realized it was so stupid ^^
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> ˚l
22:32 <guru3> Oo
22:32 <epsy> oO
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> ©.®
22:32 <epsy> Ø.ö
22:32 <guru3> squares
22:32 <epsy> =.-
22:32 <epsy> -.=
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> Õ«õ
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> Õ,õ
22:33 <epsy> :O
22:34 <epsy> #tea
22:34 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): Bloody_Scroach, CT×µ4, rubber cunt, Shinobi, StinkyJoe, van Nelle, ~*SP*~ d3m0n, ~*SP*~Pez
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> how can he live in Europe and be unicode-impaired?
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we need a special parking space for unicode impaired individuals
22:34 <guru3> simply not caring, as any good american does
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> there's a joke, heh, lemme see if I can dig it up
22:36 <guru3> you shouldn't be exhuming george washington
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22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson goes on a camping trip. After a good dinner and a bottle of wine, they retire for the night, and go to sleep. Some hours later, Holmes wakes up and nudges his faithful friend.
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > ‘Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see.”
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > I see millions and millions of stars, Holmes,” replies Watson.
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > “And what do you deduce from that?”
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > Watson ponders for a minute.
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > “Well, astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three.
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > “Meteorologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. Theologically, I can see that God is all powerful and that we are a small and insignificant part of the universe. What does it tell you, Holmes?”
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> > Holmes is silent for a moment. ‘Watson, you idiot!” he says. “Someone has stolen our tent!”
22:40 <guru3> lol
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> Funniest joke in Canada:
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.
22:41 <wrtlprnft> sounds plausible.
22:42 <guru3> my favorite canadian joke involves the us coastguard and a certain unfriendly group in canada
22:43 <guru3> "this is the US coast guard. we require that you alter your course 12 degress to the north"
22:43 <guru3> "no, we require your course 12 degrees to the south"
22:43 <guru3> "this is the uss <something>! if you do not alter your course, we will take appropriate measures!"
22:43 <guru3> "we're a light house. your call."
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> What’s the difference between emo grass and normal grass?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> Emo grass cuts itself.
22:48 <guru3> im already out of jokes
22:48 <guru3> my fresh one was the george washington one
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> I got distracted
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's uncle just died, and she was news googling him since the family doesn't have many details
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=470553f1c561249d&ei=HFIFR5yNJ5uYowKQn_TwAQ&url=http%3A//www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20071003/NEWS/71003038&cid=0&sig2=YOjIzFK4Q_xwrS8NwMEL-Q
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22:52 <Lucifer_arma> Hey, is that an EMO band in your pocket,
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> or are you just sad to see me?
22:53 <guru3> that doesn't sound good
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.no-nothingrock.com/articles/emoabc/abc1.html
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> what do you call a punk without a girlfriend??
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> HOMELESS
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Matt/ass-rape-man.jpg
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22:59 <Lucifer_arma> i wish my clothes were emo.maybe they would hang themselves
23:00 <GodTodd> how many emo kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?
23:00 <GodTodd> 3. One to replace it, & two to write a poem about how they miss the old one.
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> A punk with a rainbow-colored mohawk sits down on a bench next to an old man. After awhile, he notices the old man is staring at him. "What's wrong, old timer?" asks the punk, "Never done anything wild in your life?" "Actually," says the geezer, "One time I screwed a parrot. I was just wondering if you were my son."
23:01 <GodTodd> haha
23:02 <GodTodd> If a blonde and an emo kid jump off a building and hit the ground at the same time, who dies first?
23:02 <GodTodd> The blonde, she drowns in the emo kid's tears.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> here's one for luke-jr:
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> A Catholic teenager goes to confession, and after confessing to an affair with a girl is told by the priest that he can't be forgiven unless he reveals who the girl is. "I promised not to tell!" he says. "Was it Mary Patricia, the butcher's daughter?" the preist asks. "No, and I said I wouldn't tell." "Was it Mary Elizabeth, the printer's daughter?" "No, and I still won't tell!" 'Was it Mary Francis, the baker's daughter?" "No," says the boy.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> 'Well, son," says the priest, "I have no choice but to excommunicate you for six months." Outside, the boy's friends ask what happened. "Well," he says, "I got six months, but three good leads
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> how do you get an emo kid out of a tree?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> Cut the rope.
23:03 <GodTodd> What do you call an emo kid outside the mall?
23:03 <GodTodd> Anything he'll cry no matter what you do.
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> guys, we shouldn't be making fun of emo kids. i've got some emo's in my family tree...in fact, i think they're still hanging up their!
23:04  * guru3 groans
23:06 <GodTodd> that was *bad*
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23:08 <Lucifer_arma> -What's the difference between a lawyer and an emo kid dead in the middle of the road?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> -The lawyer is just a hit and run; the emo kid's been reversed over just to make sure.
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I am a non-conformist, just like all my friends. - emo 3:16
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this one's hilarious
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> -What did god say when he made his first emo
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> -damn i must have dropped my razor in the mixing pot
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> how many protesters does it take to change a light bulb?
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> none. because they can't change shit.
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, guru3 (hi there!) , can we get this smiley?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/smilies/Objects/appl.gif
23:22 <guru3> maybe
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> we need more threads where people say "I think <this> would be great!" and everybody chimes in to argue over who gets the credit
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> that makes the forums a spiffy place, really, it does
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01:04 <^^AciD> can anyone kick my name ^^AciD^^ i lostnet and its stuck in here
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01:55 <savas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAr9E8i3ng
01:55 <savas> lmao^^^^
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02:51  * Lucifer_work types "/me"
02:52 <Lucifer_work> this is a really long line that's probably annoying but I'm writing to see how well this terminal emulator handles it, so I need it to go off the right edge of the window
02:52 <Lucifer_work> this is a really long line that's probably annoying but I'm writing to see how well this terminal emulator handles it, so I need it to go off the right edge of the window
02:52 <Lucifer_work> ok, sorry about that
03:02 <P4> lol
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03:44 <spidey> WHAT'S UP HOMIES?!
03:44 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:45 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 75.9°F (8:44 PM CDT on October 04, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Rising).
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03:45 <spidey> #weather 38256
03:45 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of Paris, Paris, Tennessee is 73.8°F (8:47 PM CDT on October 04, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
03:45 <spidey> hot.
03:50 <Lucifer_work> #weather 78717
03:50 <armabot> Lucifer_work: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 77.9°F (8:52 PM CDT on October 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising).
03:51 <Lucifer_work> kinda chilly
04:03 <Lucifer_work> bbiab
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04:04 <spidey> hrm
04:04 <spidey> luke-jr: ping?
04:06 <luke-jr> …
04:07 <spidey> sec
04:10 <spidey> ok
04:10 <spidey> 2001:388:f000::901
04:10 <spidey> does that give a ping return for you?
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04:30 <luke-jr> spidey: yes, with very high latency
04:31 <luke-jr> spidey: also: weird IP
04:31 <luke-jr> spidey: is that IP you? XD
04:31 <luke-jr> it's an Aussie IP
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> I am going to invent the anti-automobile
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> The way I figure it, the automobile is an invention where anybody that gets into it, particularly if they get behind the wheel, is immediately and instantaneously transformed into an asshole
04:55 <GodTodd> automoholes, i call them :)
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> Texas' standardized tests are not as difficult to pass as assessments in other states, a phenomenon that has created a false sense of success in the state that served as the model for President Bush's No Child Left Behind law, according to a national study being released today.
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5186503.html
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> I've been saying for years now that they made all these students "successful" by dumbing down the standards
04:58 <Khalsa> i witnessed an accident like 1 hour ago
04:58 <Khalsa> asshole hit-and-run
04:59 <Khalsa> got his license plate but he sped off, went back luckily the dude was ok
05:11 <GodTodd> well... Lucifer_arma, sony may have found the one way to screw up the shannara movies...
05:11 <GodTodd> 1.	The Elfstones of Shannara (2009)
05:11 <GodTodd> 	2.	The Sword of Shannara (2010)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> face it, man, the sword of shannara is boring as hell
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> it would be better if they didn't even make that movie and instead gave it as a prologue
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> or worked its story into the Allanon/Wil conversation
05:21 <GodTodd> yeah...but if you're going to do it as a separate movie then at least do it in the right order
05:21 <GodTodd> heh
05:22 <GodTodd> it'd be a better movie than CHiPs that's coming out in 09 :/
05:22  * GodTodd *really* needs to look into writing some screenplays.
05:22 <GodTodd> heh
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, with the right director, a boring book could be a wonderful movie
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> but if you ask me, and you haven't, they shouldn't bother with those three books at all anyway
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> they should just dive into the Heritage of Shannara
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> what with the global warming thing and all, it would be perfect
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> the time to make the original trilogy is passed, or it should be made as prequels to the heritage of shannara books
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I just split this ai twice :)
05:27 <GodTodd> seems they are still "close" to choosing a director
05:32 <GodTodd> hrmmm...angelina jolie as Grendel's mom?
05:32 <GodTodd> dunno bout that
05:32 <GodTodd> heh
05:34 <GodTodd> wtf...."... perhaps the biggest discovery is Jess Weixler as Dawn, the young woman with a set of radulated teeth in her vagina in Mitchell Lichtenstein's funny, scary, smart Teeth.
05:35 <GodTodd> when they start making movies about pussy teeth...there's something wrong
05:35 <spidey> ok
05:35 <spidey> luke-jr: one more
05:35 <spidey> fe80::250:bfff:feb1:a3ee
05:35 <luke-jr> …
05:35 <luke-jr> that's local link
05:35 <spidey> =/
05:35 <luke-jr> valid only on the LAN
05:36 <luke-jr> spidey: what's your IP v4?
05:36 <spidey> inet addr:  Bcast:  Mask:
05:36 <spidey>           inet6 addr: fe80::250:bfff:feb1:a3ee/64 Scope:Link
05:36 <luke-jr> ssh is closed
05:36 <spidey> ?
05:36 <spidey> shouldn't be...
05:36 <spidey> my brother just downloaded some movies from me
05:36 <spidey> o.o
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I'd expect that to be a porn flick
05:37 <luke-jr> spidey: …
05:37 <luke-jr> spidey: get SSH forwarded :þ
05:37 <spidey> forwarded?
05:37 <spidey> ooo
05:37 <spidey> that's the problem
05:37 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you might...but it's not :)
05:37 <spidey> it IS forwarded
05:37 <spidey> and i dmz'd myself
05:37 <spidey> xD
05:38 <luke-jr> LOL
05:38 <spidey> my router doesn't like 2 rules for the same port, for somereason
05:38 <luke-jr> what router is this again?
05:38 <spidey> dsl/router combo
05:38 <spidey> i have a switch behind it
05:38 <luke-jr> model
05:38 <GodTodd> ah...another zombie movie coming out for spidey
05:38 <luke-jr> switches are transparent
05:38 <spidey> GodTodd: to late
05:38 <spidey> i'm watching it already
05:38 <spidey> 1 hour 22 minutes into it
05:38 <spidey> :)
05:38 <luke-jr> spidey: …
05:38 <luke-jr> waiting
05:38 <GodTodd> the i am legend one?
05:38 <spidey> fuck if i know, it's accross the room
05:39 <luke-jr> waiting
05:39 <luke-jr> waiting
05:39 <spidey> GodTodd: no
05:39 <luke-jr> waiting
05:39 <GodTodd> then i'm not too late :P
05:39 <spidey> resident evil 3
05:39 <spidey> Device Name
05:39 <spidey> 	
05:39 <spidey> ProLine
05:39 <spidey> Model Number
05:39 <spidey> 	
05:39 <spidey> E90-610030-06
05:39 <GodTodd> The Plot: Robert Neville (Smith) finds himself the only healthy survivor of a biological attack, as his fellow New Yorkers have become zombies. By day, Neville hunts the undead who walk the streets; by night, he barricades himself in his home against the mob gathered outside.
05:40 <luke-jr> waiting on SSH mainly
05:40 <spidey> alright
05:40 <spidey> give it a go
05:40 <luke-jr> did you fscking reinstall something again?
05:41 <spidey> yes
05:41 <spidey> gentoo is on a dvd
05:41 <luke-jr> …
05:41 <spidey> i made a tarball and stuck it on a dvd
05:41 <luke-jr> why
05:41 <spidey> using ubuntu mainly atm
05:41 <luke-jr> sux
05:41 <luke-jr> anyhow, I don't have login
05:43 <GodTodd> another friggin AvP movie?
05:45 <GodTodd> The Plot: Unaware that he has a magnetized brain, a man (Jack Black) accidentally erases every tape at the video store where his friend (Mos Def) works. In order to satisfy the store's most loyal renter, an aging woman with signs of dementia, the two men set out to remake the lost films. <--- do they *not* realize everyone's going dvd now?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> AvP?
05:49 <luke-jr> spidey: http://www.ipv6.org
05:50 <GodTodd> aliens vs. predator
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> yay, the last ai ally finally turned on me
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09:03 <luke-jr> spidey: so where did you disappear to?
09:03 <luke-jr> your ISP or modem sucks
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00:55 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:55 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 84.2°F (5:53 PM CDT on October 05, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 28.89 in 978.2 hPa (Steady).
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01:34 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/automobiles/collectibles/16MANX.html?ex=1207022400&en=d8637e48516653ce&ei=5087&mkt=autoslink2
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01:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=Q5FIK4KGRLEZ1QFIQMFCFGGAVCBQYIV0?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2007/10/04/sciaster104.xml
01:53 <flex-> Lucifer, is it legal to play in the AFL for two teams?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> is that a serious question?
01:53 <flex-> yes lol
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> then my serious answer is "not just no, but hell no"
01:54 <flex-> what's so bad about playing for two teams?
01:54 <flex-> it's not like you can play at the same time if both teams are playing against each other or at the same specific time
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> you think about all the ways the two teams separate interests could come into conflict and then tell me
01:54 <flex-> well at the end of the day I only want to support a team lacking members..
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> pick one
02:01 <flex-> I really don't see major conflicts with it tbh.. as far as I can tell I'd be helping out a team get to atleast play
02:02 <spidey> lets say
02:03 <spidey> there's a match that has to be played twice
02:03 <flex-> right?
02:03 <spidey> should you be able to play for one team once, then another team the next?
02:03 <spidey> i think the main reason Lucifer_arma has the rules like that, is to try and prevent one team sending in a "sabatoge" player
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> you're working under the self-serving bias
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> eliminate that :)
02:04 <flex-> me?
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's exactly right.  THere's plenty of situations where you might decide not to play so hard on one team in order to help your other team's rank
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> that affects the seeding for the playoffs
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> what if both teams make the playoffs?
02:05 <flex-> I know the rule if was legal could be abused I understand that
02:05 <flex-> but where I am going with this is helping out a team that doesn't even have 6 members
02:05 <flex-> we know which team that is..
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> let's assume that you're intending to be a sabotage player for a minute
02:06 <spidey> then pick that team, unless you're on another ;p
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> you see a team that's short on players, and you see a perfect chance to game the situation for your other team's benefit
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> then play on the "I'm just trying to be nice!' theme
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying you are such a horrible, evil player
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to assume you're being nice
02:06 <flex-> hmm I don't think the AFL is that into it to start plotting evil plans lol
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I agree with spidey, if you want to help that team, then quit from your other team and join that one
02:07 <spidey> you'd be supprised what people would do to win something
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> can't have your cake and eat it and all that
02:07 <spidey> (cough,sp,cough)
02:07 <spidey> :D
02:07 <flex-> ok some situations I can answer, 1, I don't think they're going to get to play each other, and even if they do I'd go with my orginal team because at the end of the day I'm helping them out not trying to let them "loose" or "win"
02:08 <spidey> what team doesn't have enough players?
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not asking for an explantion of how you intend to behave
02:08 <flex-> so i guess that rules out sabotage?
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> we're not making an exception
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> but if you really want it, you've sabotaged the other team in two ways
02:08 <spidey> one exception leads to another, i know this from running a clan for 2 years :P
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  You helped them to join, and then in a critical game, you left them to be with someone else, leaving them short-handed
02:08 <spidey> you can't say no to one, and yes to another, and be fair
02:09 <flex-> nope, I understand the rules, not trying to change it either.. just you're not as right though
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  You've sabotaged their game by leaving them short-handed and given your team an advantage
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> fine, you can believe whatever you want about me
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> while you're off brooding, find some links to amateur competition leagues that allow people to be on more than one team
02:10 <flex-> but that's not entirely correct. I'm not sabotaging them by leaving for my original team
02:10 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: i can actually give you a example
02:10 <flex-> but then it brings up the question of how exactly do you regulate it..
02:10 <flex-> I'm sure you don't tbh
02:10 <flex-> if I was being evil would I be here asking for the rule
02:10 <spidey> i dunno if it was illegal, but people that played in the fortress tournies played for multiple teams
02:10 <spidey> eg, if one was short, then they'd go get someone else
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that's explicitly disallowed in AFL
02:11 <flex-> yeah that happened at the laddle i think
02:11 <spidey> it kinda pissed me off at one point
02:11 <spidey> like
02:11 <spidey> my team would be playing against 5 people that wasn't even registered on the other
02:11 <spidey> it's kinda like cheating the other team
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> for a tourney that runs all in one day, I can see the need to be more flexible
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> but we need to have relatively static teams over time for the competition to mean anything
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, flex, it's very simple
02:12 <flex-> no problem, I understand
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> we don't/can't enforce certain restrictions, you're bound by the honor system
02:12 <flex-> i see where it can be abused
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> there are logs that will expose you, and we may actually look at them
02:12 <flex-> let's just hope we don't have people actually doing it then
02:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: there is a way
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> if someone brings a complaint, playing both sides of the fence will almost certainly go against you
02:13 <spidey> require server logs of the players ip of each match
02:13 <spidey> compare them as time goes by
02:13 <flex-> was that even checked last afl
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, it wasn't
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> but the last afl was a test to figure out what it takes to run a league like this
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of rules weren't enforced at all, or were loosely enforced
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> none changed, though.  I was surprised about that
02:14 <flex-> you're saying rules were broken?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> also, a lot of stuff doesn't get enforced unless someone brings a complaint
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah.  There were several games lacking recordings
02:15 <flex-> ah, yeah
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> all the server admins last time offered their logs in lieu of recordings
02:16 <flex-> I did think the profanity and general sportsmanship was lacking
02:16 <spidey> erm
02:16 <spidey> i'm supposed to run the afl server we host with recording enabled?
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to have access to the logs if need be, but there's a certain amount of privacy to be protected in that regard
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, it wouldn't hurt that much during the games, but it's not necessary
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> server-side recordings can't be played back in a client, so they're not terribly useful
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> we need client-side recordings so we can actually *see* what happened
02:17 <spidey> k
02:17 <flex-> I thought the AFL went quite well actually
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it did :)
02:17 <spidey> ffs
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> I am concerned that in a longer season that's a bit more competitive, problems that didn't show up over the summer will show up now
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> could be interesting :)
02:17 <spidey> luci, can i untar a tarball to /mnt/sdb1 ?
02:18 <spidey> i tried with ark
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: if there's a drive there, and if you have write permissions, yes
02:18 <spidey> but it keeps telling me ark crashed
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> eek, I hate ark
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> ark is a big piece of shit
02:18 <spidey> heh
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> complete waste of code
02:18 <spidey> can i do it without the tarball being on that partition?
02:18 <spidey> i have rw to it
02:18 <spidey> i chmod's the drive to 777
02:18 <spidey> s/'s/'d
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> should work fine, long as you give a good path to tar
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> cd to it first
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> cd /mnt/sdb1 && tar -xzvf /path/to/tarball.tar.gz
02:19 <spidey> ffs
02:19 <spidey> i'm retarded
02:19 <spidey> -.-
02:19 <spidey> i was looking for a option like -o for that!
02:20 <spidey> alrighty
02:20 <spidey> 87gb tarball extracting
02:20 <spidey> xD
02:21 <spidey> took me a hour and a half to compress it =/
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02:55 <Durka> hi flex-
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03:04 <flex-> lol
03:05 <flex-> did you tell durka or something lucifer lol, so he can have a go at me :P
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> no?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> #m Durka The requested URL /afl/schedule.php was not found on this server.
03:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> who wants a cookie?
03:23 <tramshed> is it peanut butter?
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> no
03:27 <tramshed> fail.
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> you don't want a cookie, then?
03:28 <tramshed> maybe
03:28 <tramshed> choices suck
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's a yes/no choice, what's so hard about tthat?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Yes, Luci, I want a cookie"
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> or, "Fuck no, Luci, I don't want a cookie"
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> or "Fuck yeah!  I want one!"
03:29 <tramshed> like that?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> #cookie tramshed
03:29 <armabot> A cookie has been sent to tramshed, it should arrive shortly.
03:29 <flex-> lol
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else want a cookie?
03:30 <flex-> did it arrive?
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> man, if you think I'm annoying now, wait until next semester
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'm taking logic :)
03:32 <tramshed> wheres mah cookie?
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/10/5/28265
03:34 <flex-> very interesting
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> who wants some licorice?
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03:42 <flex-> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/10/05/sciwater105.xml
03:42 <flex-> beat that america :P
03:44  * tramshed points to hiroshima
03:44 <tramshed> win.
03:46 <flex-> that genetic engineering reminds me of blade runner.. damn that movie rocks..
03:46 <tramshed> yes, yes it does.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-drop_experiment  <--- beaten
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's heavier?  2000 pounds of oil or 2000 pounds of water?
03:49 <flex-> hmm I don't know and I think it's a trick question because oil floats right, so is it oil?
03:49 <Khalsa> the wieght of your words expectin someone to fall for it
03:49 <Khalsa> >_>
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> someone fell for it :)
03:49 <Khalsa> omg
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> they weigh the same
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> 2000 pounds is 2000 pounds :)
03:49  * Khalsa underestimated the stupidity of the internets
03:49 <flex-> haha
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> how many steps are in a 22-count kata?
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03:50 <flex-> i have no idea
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> 22
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> for the record, oil floats in water because it's less dense than water, so 2000 pounds of oil would have greater volume than 2000 pounds of water
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03:53 <Lucifer_arma> sorry flex
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> I asked my daughter that same question, and she said they were the same weight
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> she's 8
03:53 <flex-> lol, I wasn't actually thinking the question being asked :P
03:53 <Khalsa> the classic question is which wieghs more, a 1 pound brick or a 1 pound feather
03:54 <flex-> or which is heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> a pound of dick or a pound of brain?
03:55 <spidey> ...
03:55 <Khalsa> pound of dick obvoiusly
04:06 <flex-> ok i got one :P
04:06 <flex-> If an electric train  is going 150 miles per hour north and the wind is blowing the same south, which way does the smoke blow?
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> electric trains don't blow smoke :)
04:10 <flex-> A farmer has 17 sheep and all but 9 die. How many are left?
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> 9
04:11 <flex-> Which weighs the most, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> they weigh the same...
04:13 <flex-> "Gold and feathers are weighed the different units. when converted to the same unit, feathers weigh more
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> which units are those?
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> I realize that "pound" has more than one meaning
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.wikihow.com/Measure-Your-Bra-Size
04:16 <flex-> http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=4564&start=8&sid=249d18469219097466678b8d0fa849af
04:20 <tramshed> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128341845642968750spartanstoni.jpg
04:24 <flex-> so we're talking normal pounds which then feathers weigh more :P
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, not really
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> that thread was right, it would have been better to use ounces in the question :)
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> my statics teacher managed to confuse me with pounds anyway
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> consider this:
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> pounds(force) are one of the base units in the US Customary system
04:27 <flex-> kilograms might be better
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> not really.  :)  Then we argue over what weight means.
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, pounds(force) are a base unit in the US
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> but kilograms is a mass unit
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> so there's not a direct conversion between them
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> apparently a lot of people are trying to redefine the pound as a mass unit instead of a force unit, but leave all the numbers the same
04:28 <Khalsa> I would've said "lbs" but a lot of non-us people dont get that
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> so if you weigh 150 pounds(force), you'll still weigh 150 pounds(mass)
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> but that's a physical impossibility, according to Newton's second law, Force is mass * acceleration
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> so one pound(force) is some value of mass * 9.81 m/s^2
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> so one pound(mass) has to be one pound(force)/32.2 ft/s^2
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, kilogram is a mass unit, and "weight" is customarily thought of as a Force unit
04:30  * Khalsa isn't allowed to think at this time
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> but outside the US, people say weight about the kilogram, which just confuses things
04:30 <flex-> i see
04:30 <flex-> lol
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> but the way it's normally thought, if I weigh 150 pounds on the earth, I weigh 150/6 pounds on the moon
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> but if I "weigh" 400 Kg on the earth, I still "weigh" 400 Kg on the moon
04:31 <flex-> so which one is best to use?
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> use pounds if you're a woman
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> use Kilograms if you're a man
04:31 <flex-> kg or lbs?
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe use kilograms if you're a woman, Newtons if you're a man :)
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> I have a preference for using SI units for computations
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> precisely because they're clearer than US customary units
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> Newtons = Kg * m/s^2
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> see?
04:33 <flex-> i never listened in class so no :P
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> but if I'm only working with forces, it doesn't matter :)
04:34 <Khalsa> i never use US units unless i'm forced to
04:34 <Khalsa> Imperial units make no damn sense
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's a couple of imperial units I don't want to live without
04:34 <Khalsa> (horse power)
04:34 <spidey> talking about taking forever
04:34 <spidey> i didn't think that thing would ever be done extracting -.-
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> nah, horse power is worthless
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> I like the foot
04:35 <spidey> me too
04:35 <Khalsa> hell naw
04:35 <Khalsa> meter ftw
04:35 <spidey> it has 4 toes
04:35 <spidey> and a big toe
04:35 <spidey> big stub*
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, but it's a lot easier to estimate distances in feet than in meters :)
04:35 <Khalsa> how?
04:35 <spidey> old feet or new age feet ? xD
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> (and before you say "but you never use meters!" try to remember that a meter is approximately equal to a yard)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> something approximately foot-sized corresponds to regular body part measurements
04:36 <Khalsa> I estimate distances in meters just fine
04:36 <Khalsa> it's just what you grew up with / know best mostly
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> think of it like cubits being useful because everybody knows what a cubit is, even if the measurement changes from person to person
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, estimate something that's about a meter and a half long
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I can say a yard and a half
04:37 <spidey> well that's easy, luke-jr${noob} 's height
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> or I can be more precise with 4 feet or 5 feet
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I *can* estimate in thirds of a meter just fine
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I can work with integers just fine
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> but trying to estimate in fractions is, imo, inherently more difficult than using integers with a smaller unit
04:38 <Khalsa> 150cm ?
04:39 <Khalsa> and cubit is "officially" 45.somthing cm
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> once you get up to about 10, feet become useless and meters more useful
04:39 <Khalsa> iirc
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> below a foot, centimeters are as useful as inches, imo, even though I'm used to inches
04:39 <Khalsa> My uncle uses hands for everything
04:40 <spidey> Khalsa: word of advice, don't try arguing with luci :P
04:40 <Khalsa> he buys some property and measure it in hands then tells me how many acres >_>
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea how big an acre is
04:40 <Khalsa> we're not arguing, it's just a point of personal preference
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather have m^3 :)
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> or if I'm buying land for my own house, I'd rather have km^3
04:41 <Khalsa> lol I just remember ~~4050m^2
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> er, squared
04:41 <flex-> kilometers or miles?
04:41 <Khalsa> it's some retarded number of yards (as usual with the imperial system)
04:41 <Khalsa> meters
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> miles are abbreviated "mi"
04:42 <Khalsa> lol 1 acre = 1 furlong x 1 chain >_>
04:42 <tramshed> full of ladybugs.
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I read that as "1 furlong cross 1 chain"
04:42 <flex-> how old is your uncle :P
04:43 <Khalsa> unle is in his 60's
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> making acre a vector
04:43 <Khalsa> yeah, that's a hell of an acre >_>
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> we don't use the whole imperial system anymore, though
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> like, for soft drinks, we often use liters
04:44 <Khalsa> @work we use SI stuff, but people on the domestic side of my job use imperial. They carry around 3 calculators... I carry none
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> and last I checked, they were the actual SI liter, not some weird usian liter
04:44 <Khalsa> ^^ shows how useful imperial is
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how many are in a mol?
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of units being defined as useless because they're not an even power of ten :)
04:44 <Khalsa> MOLE DAY!
04:45 <Khalsa> one avagadro's number of course
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> and avacado's number is ... ?
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> is it an even power of 10?
04:45 <Khalsa> uhhh
04:45 <Khalsa> 6 point something by ten to the 23
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> so it's some fucked up number?
04:46  * Khalsa looks it up
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> 6.02 x 10^23
04:46 <Khalsa> 6.022×1023
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> unless you need more than 3 sig figs
04:46 <Khalsa> that's 10^23
04:46 <tramshed> I may be a linux nerd, but man am I glad im not a math nerd
04:46 <Khalsa> it's super usefull in describing atomic, molecular stuffs
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> why do we have a big G in the theory of gravity?
04:47 <Khalsa> stop it Lucifer_arma
04:47 <Khalsa> i'm not supposed to be thinking
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you're precious newtons were a sensible unit, the theory of gravity would be Mm/r^2 :)
04:47 <tramshed> if I was a linux AND a math nerd I would never get laid
04:47  * Lucifer_arma has three kids, so you can just shut the fuck up.  :)
04:47 <flex-> haha
04:47 <tramshed> and id end up working out a forumla that would explain why
04:47 <tramshed> hah
04:47 <tramshed> they must of been from your pre-nerd days
04:48 <tramshed> you teachin your kids this?
04:48 <tramshed> if so thats pretty cool
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> a likelier explanation is that I've grown out of such sophomoric categorizations
04:48 <tramshed> lies!
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, my daughter did pick up on the pounds question quite nicely :)
04:48 <tramshed> nice
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's hot, too
04:50 <flex-> it's a common sense question :P
04:50 <flex-> something clearly I lack I guess
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a cookie
04:50 <armabot> I have sent a cookie to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:51 <flex-> does it come with pics of your wife? :P
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> no
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to take my word for it
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> just try to remember there's a difference between "hot chick" and "hot party chick"
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> hot chicks like smart guys, hot party chicks don't
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> generally
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04:53 <flex-> you really wanted to send me a cookie huh?
04:53 <flex-> now I can go bed :)
04:53 <flex-> gn
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a good_dream
04:53 <armabot> I have sent a good_dream to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there's no accounting for "the rest of the line"
04:54 <flex-> lol oh yeah well atleast i got you back with that pounds shit :P
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> umm, sure :)
04:54  * flex- raises hand on beating lucifer
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> thing is, pounds are either a force for me, or I don't acknowledge them
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm still right, because your precious troy units are useless :)
04:55 <flex-> lol
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> the troy pound was declared illegal in 1867!
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a bobby
04:59 <armabot> I have sent a bobby to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> Khalsa: oh yeah, here's something else
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> imperial unit conversions are all sixteenths and twelfths for a reason
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> if a number is a multiple of 12, it's also a multiple of 2, 3, and 4
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> and 6
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> if it's a multiple of 10, it's only also a multiple of 2 and 5
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> when you don't have calculators to work with (or even slide rules), working with the "weird" imperial units can be a lot easier
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same reason there's 360 degrees in a circle
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> and numbers used in daily transactions are kept to a minimum of digits
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> try to put yourself in the shoes of a medieval merchant having to weigh stuff out and price it
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> the metric system arose largely in response to a scientific need for standard measurements
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's unique about the metric system is that it was standardized from the beginning, the old british system never really was
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my weight is around 850 Newtons
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I can see Newtons as a useful unit of weight giving out pretty quickly
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> just something to think about.  the old imperial units aren't as senseless as it sounds, they're actually very practical
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> with some standardizing, so that no single unit word means more than one thing (as US gallons and UK gallons can attest), they'd be very useful units
05:09 <Khalsa> lies
05:09 <Khalsa> lies damned lies
05:09 <Khalsa> all of it
05:10 <Khalsa> Ju know, just as well as I do. That these days the imperial system is mostly not worth it
05:10 <Khalsa> and calculations on 10 are the win
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05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I disagree :)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I find it useful to think in qts and ounces.  I can do many more conversions with those than I can with liters and shit
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's important for someone as arithemetically challenged as I am
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> hell, if the british system had been well-standardized in 1850, the metric system would have been denounced as another worthless French invention
05:20 <Khalsa> prolly
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> Gottfried Leibniz independently made proposals similar to those of Mouton.  <--- was he just a fucking copycat artist?
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> It is believed that the system was transmitted to France from England via the likes of Benjamin Franklin (who spent a great deal of time in London), and produced the by-product of the decimalised paper currency system, before finding favour with American revolutionary ally Louis XV.  <--- interesting little irony
05:37 <Khalsa> US+France = Fun
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's a fun story
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06:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob} freeciiiiiiiiiv?
06:57 <luke-jr> maybe
07:20 <luke-jr> just woke up >_<
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> if godtodd plays :)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> #send godtodd an SOS
07:22 <armabot> I have sent an SOS to godtodd, it should arrive shortly.
07:22 <luke-jr> kill -9 spidey's bash is fun
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> does the alias command let you grab the rest of the line after a certain point?
07:22 <luke-jr> …
07:22 <luke-jr> alias ls='ls -lh'
07:23 <luke-jr> ls foo
07:23 <spidey> stop...
07:23 <spidey> -.-
07:23 <luke-jr> ls() { ls "$@" -lh; }
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> #send spidey a big black dildo
07:24 <armabot> I have sent a big black dildo to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma a rootkit
07:25 <armabot> I have sent a rootkit to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> #send these united states
07:25 <armabot> I have sent united states to these, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> #send France these united states
07:25 <armabot> I have sent these united states to France, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, is there a way to resolve the pronoun so it works with anything that comes up?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> #karma Lucifer_arma
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: can we get the karma plugin loaded?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: http://supybot.com/documentation/plugins/karma/document_view
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add cookie "send $1 a cookie"
07:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> #cookie luke-jr
07:29 <armabot> I have sent a cookie to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
07:31 <luke-jr> #send Iraq Bush as a war criminal
07:31 <armabot> I have sent Bush as a war criminal to Iraq, it should arrive shortly.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 lbs to newtons
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 pounds to newtons
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> bullshit
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 pounds to kilograms
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4.5359237
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's a useless feature
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 celcius to fahrenheit
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: celcius is not a valid unit.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 C to F
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 50.0
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 100 C to F
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 212.0
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> still useless
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove finc
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove cinf
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add finc echo "You don't need this, just use Math convert"
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add cinf echo "You don't need this, just use Math convert"
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #finc
07:34 <armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #finc 55
07:34 <armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units lbs
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid (1 more message)
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units force
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: force units: newton, N, dekanewton, kilonewton, kN, meganewton, millinewton, dyne, kg force, kgf, kilogram force, gram force, pound force, lbf, ton force, ounce force, ozf
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it wants pounds specified as force
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #convert pound force pound mass
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: forcepoundmass is not a valid unit.
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units mass
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: mass units: kg, kilogram, key, hectogram, dekagram, gram, g, decigram, centigram, milligram, mg, microgram, tonne, metric ton, megagram, kilotonne, carat, ct, amu, atomic mass unit, pound, lb, lbm, ounce, oz, lid, ton, kiloton, slug, stone, grain
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> #convert lbf lbm
07:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
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07:37 <luke-jr> …
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> #send luke-jr a better internet connection
07:37 <armabot> I have sent a better internet connection to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
07:38 -!- luke-jr is now known as luke-jr_
07:38 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as luke-jr
07:38 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
07:38 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
07:39 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma hachi.dashjr.org:5555
07:39 <armabot> I have sent hachi.dashjr.org:5555 to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> is godtodd playing?
07:39 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma if we force him to
07:39 <armabot> I have sent if we force him to to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> #units force
07:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: force units: newton, N, dekanewton, kilonewton, kN, meganewton, millinewton, dyne, kg force, kgf, kilogram force, gram force, pound force, lbf, ton force, ounce force, ozf
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's a kg force unit?
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram-force
07:43 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma hachi.dashjr.org:5555
07:43 <armabot> I have sent hachi.dashjr.org:5555 to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma "are you coming?"
07:47 <armabot> I have sent are you coming? to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> is godtodd there?
07:47 <spidey> i am
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> you're not godtodd :)
07:47 <spidey> NO BUT I'M GOD
07:47 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma GodTodd
07:47 <armabot> I have sent GodTodd to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hang on a sec, I can probably play for a little bit
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> but hang on a minute or two
07:49 <spidey> btw
07:49 <spidey> i'm leaving when luci does
07:49 <spidey> cause i'm tired
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:49 <spidey> i haven't slept in
07:49 <spidey> 24 hours in 5 hours :D
07:50 <luke-jr> I just woke up
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08:02 <MrBougo> hello :
08:02 <MrBougo> i've got my dell laptop :D
08:02 <MrBougo> no dead pixi
08:02 <MrBougo> everything's ok till now
08:05 <GodTodd> #send luke-jr a big fuck you
08:05 <armabot> I have sent a big fuck you to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
08:05 <MrBougo> lol
08:06 <MrBougo> #help send
08:06 <armabot> MrBougo: (send <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
08:06 <MrBougo> why $2 $*
08:06 <MrBougo> wouldnt it work with $*
08:06 <MrBougo> oh nope nvm
08:06 <MrBougo> it parses "progressively"?
08:07 <MrBougo> if it sees a $2 before a $*, $* counts for $3 and more?
08:07 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:07 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:07 <MrBougo> #send someone somethingy test
08:07 <armabot> I have sent somethingy test to someone, it should arrive shortly.
08:08 <MrBougo> #send someone
08:08 <armabot> I have sent to someone, it should arrive shortly.
08:08 <MrBougo> GodTodd: nothing's wrong with that
08:08 <GodTodd> and i said there was?
08:08 <MrBougo> nevah
08:08 <MrBougo> and i said you said there was?
08:09 <GodTodd> you seem to be trying to teach me how i could have doen an alias better when i didn't even do the alias :P
08:09 <GodTodd> done*
08:09 <MrBougo> :(
08:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma:
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08:21 <Lucifer_arma_> #ping
08:22 <armabot> pong
08:22 <MrBougo> lol spidey, the Lucifer_arma_ invocation was a success
08:22  * MrBougo is happy with his dell
08:22 <MrBougo> it's heavy though
08:22 <MrBougo> but thats not a problem
08:23 <MrBougo> there's one problem... my network card is sucky
08:23 <MrBougo> not the one on my dell, the one on my desktop pc
08:25 <spidey> Lucifer_arma_:
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08:26 <MrBougo> lol spidey how do you do that
08:26 <Lucifer_clone> man
08:26 <Lucifer_clone> luke-jr: do you have ai status toggles with connection turned on?
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08:27 <luke-jr> no clue
08:29 <MrBougo> windows vista sucks
08:29 <luke-jr> no duh
08:29 <MrBougo> even without windows vista installed i still have problems with it
08:29 <luke-jr> lol
08:29 <MrBougo> i downloaded a *** driver for vista
08:29 <MrBougo> and tried to install it on xp
08:29 <MrBougo> guess what? it didnt work
08:29 <luke-jr> PIRACY!
08:29 <MrBougo> then i figured out that i was doing stupid stuff
08:30 <MrBougo> i clicked the wrong link :/
08:30 <MrBougo> can someone tell me why my 100 mbit ethernet adapter is going at 2 mbit
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08:30 <Durka> #hello
08:30 <MrBougo> hellows Durka
08:30 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #32: "i2020> sure you can... who told you that, little lukie wookie" (added by spidey at 07:34 PM, November 05, 2006)
08:30 <MrBougo> haha
08:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: it sucks
08:31 <MrBougo> what sucks?
08:31 <luke-jr> your laptop?
08:31 <MrBougo> my ethernet adapter
08:31 <MrBougo> nah luke-jr, its not on my laptop
08:31 <MrBougo> its on my desktop
08:31 <luke-jr> what makes you think it's going at 2 mbit?
08:31 <MrBougo> older one
08:31 <MrBougo> err
08:31 <MrBougo> stop making me worry
08:32 <MrBougo> i tried to transfer files from the desktop to my laptop
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08:32  * MrBougo runs yukon diagnostics
08:32 <luke-jr> how?"
08:32 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
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08:34 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
08:34 <Bougo> it's an onboard card... and the disconnecting wasnt a problem, it's only the diagnostic tool :p
08:34 <Bougo> jesus, that tool is useless
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08:35 <Bougo> stop talking to MrBougo luke
08:35 <Bougo> could you send the msgs again? :p
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08:35 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i think i know how i can fix this...
08:35 <MrBougo> err not fix, but identify the problem
08:36 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
08:36 <MrBougo> i should directly connecting my computers together
08:36 <MrBougo> connect*
08:36 <MrBougo> MDI-X?
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08:36 <luke-jr> you can't directly connect PCs unless your sure the network cable is MDI-X
08:37 <MrBougo> i guess the X means crossed
08:37 <MrBougo> or something
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08:37 <luke-jr> yes
08:38 <MrBougo> i guess my ethernet cable that goes from the PC to the router is MDI-X
08:38 <luke-jr> unlikely
08:38 <luke-jr> unless you intentionally bought it that way
08:38 <GodTodd> MrBougo: pc -> router is typically straight through
08:38 <luke-jr> ideally, everything would be MDI-X
08:40 <MrBougo> GodTodd: PC <-> Router
08:40 <MrBougo> i can use internet, right?
08:40 <luke-jr> …
08:40 <MrBougo> what
08:41 <MrBougo> did i say something wrong :p
08:41 <GodTodd> you don't need my permission to use internet... :P
08:41 <MrBougo> bleh
08:41  * GodTodd doesn't understand the question.
08:41 <MrBougo> i connect to the internet through that router
08:42 <GodTodd> ok...
08:42 <MrBougo> and theres that ethernet cable... i guess itd mdi-x
08:42 <GodTodd> why do you guess that?
08:42 <GodTodd> MrBougo: pc -> router is typically straight through
08:42 <MrBougo> why :/
08:42 <MrBougo> beh
08:42 <GodTodd> pc -> pc is typically crossover
08:43 <MrBougo> blah
08:43 <MrBougo> how can i know what kind of cable it is
08:43 <luke-jr> look at the ends
08:43 <luke-jr> inside the connector, there are colours
08:43 <GodTodd> the end connections
08:43 <luke-jr> if they are the same order, it is straight thru
08:45 <MrBougo> ok
08:47 <MrBougo> omg i'm a noob
08:47 <GodTodd> MrBougo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_dependent_interface
08:48 <GodTodd> that's for the "why?" above :)
08:50 <MrBougo> brb, gotta unplug my cable
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08:52 <Bougo> it's straight
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08:53 <GodTodd> that would have been my guess
08:54  * GodTodd tends to have a xover cable on hand in case he needs to make direct pc -> pc connections
08:54 <GodTodd> not sure how cheap/xpensive cabling is in belgium tho :)
08:55 <luke-jr> blarg
08:55 <luke-jr> I think my cables are 10/100 MDI-X, not gbit
09:05 <MrBougo> #ping
09:05 <armabot> pong
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09:28 <wrtlprnft> #list karma
09:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
09:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ping
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09:38 <MrBougo> luke-jr: nothings wrong actually :/
09:39 <MrBougo> 2.1 MBps seems to be a normal transfer speed
09:39 <MrBougo> for 802.11g
09:41  * GodTodd bets luke-jr's next line was/will be "liar" :)
09:43 <luke-jr> MrBougo: that's not wired
09:43 <luke-jr> and depends on # of clients
09:43 <MrBougo> luke-jr: o rly :(
09:44 <MrBougo> i was thinking about doing something wired because wireless seemed to be a bit slow
09:44 <MrBougo> anyway... i only need fast transfer speed for my backups
09:44 <MrBougo> and i have usb disk drives
09:44 <MrBougo> so it's ok
09:45 <luke-jr> USB is slow
09:45 <MrBougo> i lost time wondering how i could do it faster
09:45 <MrBougo> luke-jr: is it slower than 2 MBps? i doubt it
09:45 <luke-jr> potentially
09:45 <luke-jr> depends on USB version and CPU
09:46 <luke-jr> USB 1 would be 1.5 MBps at most
09:47 <MrBougo> nah, it'ss USB2
09:47 <luke-jr> your USB port is?
09:47 <MrBougo> Up to 480 Mbit/s (USB 2.0)
09:48 <MrBougo> it's USB2 too
09:48 <luke-jr> up to
09:48 <luke-jr> depends on CPU and HD now
09:48 <MrBougo> the USB-IDE adapter is USB2
09:48 <MrBougo> and my USB card is 2 too
09:48 <MrBougo> and i know it's "up to"
09:48 <luke-jr> USB is ties to your CPU
09:49 <MrBougo> 420 megabits = 52.5 megabytes
09:49 <MrBougo> huh? USB what?
09:49 <MrBougo> my cpu isnt *that* bad
09:50 <MrBougo> err
09:50 <luke-jr> USB doesn't support DMA
09:50 <MrBougo> did you see "that" in bold?
09:50 <luke-jr> so every bit of data has to go thru the CPU
09:50 <luke-jr> no
09:50 <MrBougo> ok
09:50 <MrBougo> i dont mind about the cpu
09:50 <MrBougo> anyway
09:50 <MrBougo> thats an interesting fact
09:51 <MrBougo> now i see why it's freaking taking 80% of my spu
09:51 <MrBougo> cpu*
09:51 <luke-jr> lol
09:51 <MrBougo> never use windows, zonealarm and transfer files at the same time while trying to use firefox
09:51 <MrBougo> or it will crash
09:51 <luke-jr> lol
09:52 <MrBougo> at least if you have a pentium4
09:52 <MrBougo> *sigh*
09:52 <luke-jr> Zonealarm is unnecessary on Linux
09:52 <luke-jr> FireFox too
09:52 <MrBougo> i know :D
09:52 <MrBougo> that's why i love linux
09:52 <MrBougo> what about firefox
09:52 <luke-jr> so you're reduced to just KDE
09:52 <luke-jr> FireFox is unnecessary
09:52 <MrBougo> indeed
09:52 <MrBougo> on windows too
09:52 <luke-jr> it may be the best for Windoze, but on Linux we have better
09:52 <MrBougo> you can use IE when you're on windows
09:52 <luke-jr> actually, not even the best for Windows anymore
09:53 <luke-jr> IE sucks
09:53 <MrBougo> agreed
09:53 <MrBougo> thats why i use Fx
09:53 <MrBougo> so whats the best? opera?
09:53 <luke-jr> nah
09:53 <luke-jr> Safari or Konqueror
09:53 <MrBougo> safari?
09:53 <MrBougo> right
09:53 <MrBougo> theres a Konqueror for windows?
09:53 <luke-jr> no
09:53 <luke-jr> Safari on Win/Mac
09:53 <MrBougo> thought so too
09:53 <luke-jr> Konqueror on Linux
09:53 <luke-jr> actually
09:53 <luke-jr> Konqueror 4 will support Windows
09:54 <MrBougo> aha!
09:54 <luke-jr> as will KDE
09:54 <MrBougo> what the......
09:54 <MrBougo> hel?
09:54 <MrBougo> l*
09:54 <MrBougo> did i read it in the same way you wrote it
09:55 <luke-jr> KDE 4 will support Windows
09:55 <MrBougo> umm...
09:55 <MrBougo> so you'll be able to install KDE 4 on Win?
09:55 <luke-jr> yes
09:56 <MrBougo> funny
09:56 <MrBougo> and how will it work
09:57 <MrBougo> it'll replace the windows GUI?
09:57 <MrBougo> is this possible?
09:57 <MrBougo> or will it run in a separate window
09:57 <luke-jr> there are already Explorer replacements
09:57 <luke-jr> litestep, IIRC, is one
09:58 <MrBougo> nice
09:58 <MrBougo> but... it's going to replace all the gui?
09:58 <luke-jr> no clue
09:58 <luke-jr> probably everything but the widgets and window decorator
10:00 <MrBougo> phew
10:00 <MrBougo> window decorator?????
10:00 <MrBougo> is this something on vista?
10:00 <luke-jr> sortof
10:01 <luke-jr> XP too
10:03 <MrBougo> oh nvm
10:03 <MrBougo> i didn't know that it was called so
10:04 <luke-jr> it probably isn't on windoze
10:06  * MrBougo downloads burningsand
10:06 <MrBougo> too bad that there isn't any linux version
10:06 <MrBougo> it should run on wine though
10:06 <MrBougo> it's simply awesome
10:22 <luke-jr> …
10:22 <luke-jr> sucks probably
10:41 <MrBougo> :p
10:42 <MrBougo> just take a look at some screenies
10:42 <MrBougo> it's kind of miinimalist
10:57 <luke-jr> ?
11:07 <MrBougo> just take a look at the screenshots
11:10 <luke-jr> where
11:10 <MrBougo> um
11:10 <MrBougo> http://siebn.de/index.php?page=burningsand/game
11:16 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
11:16 <luke-jr> are you blind
11:16 <MrBougo> ?
11:16 <MrBougo> yep, it runs on linux
11:17 <luke-jr> beyond that, it should build natively too
11:17 <luke-jr> get the code from him
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11:21 <MrBougo> luke-jr: there's a 2.0 beta
11:21 <MrBougo> that isnt opensource
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11:24 <luke-jr> …
11:24 <luke-jr> bs?
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11:28 <luke-jr> bs?
11:33 <MrBougo> ?
11:34 <luke-jr> no 2.0
11:34 <luke-jr> not even a 1.0
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11:51 <MrBougo> erhm
11:53 <MrBougo> there's no source, luke
11:54 <luke-jr> spidey: …
11:54 <luke-jr> MrBougo: so get it
11:54 <spidey> test
11:54 <spidey> test
11:54 <spidey> #echo test
11:54 <armabot> test
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
11:55 <spidey> wtf
11:55 <luke-jr> spidey: hurry back
11:55 <spidey> wait for me
11:55 <luke-jr> try now
11:55 <luke-jr> we are
11:55 <spidey> i can't connect to your server =/
11:55 <luke-jr> try again
11:55 <luke-jr> :þ
11:55 <luke-jr> or add .dashjr.org
11:55 <luke-jr> :þ
11:55 <MrBougo> "get it"
11:55 <MrBougo> haha
11:55 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
11:55 <MrBougo> sorry but it sounds funny
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11:56 <MrBougo> wee
11:56 <MrBougo> i've never thought that i would do such a thing some day
11:57 <MrBougo> i have two nicks \o/
11:58 <luke-jr>  …….
11:58 <MrBougo> muh
11:58 <luke-jr> ………………………….
11:58 <MrBougo> oh ok
11:58 <MrBougo> space tripledot tripledot dot
11:58 <luke-jr> ♡
11:59  * MrBougo really hopes that it was a typo
11:59 <luke-jr> ♬
11:59  * MrBougo uses the tree command
11:59 <MrBougo> yuck
11:59 <MrBougo> tree D:
11:59 <MrBougo> it outputs huge files
12:00 <luke-jr> bash: tree: command not found
12:00 <luke-jr> ♣
12:00 <MrBougo> it' windows
12:01 <MrBougo> it outputs a graphic-like file tree
12:01 <MrBougo> i use it with notepad ++ to see if my backups match my actual files
12:04  * luke-jr forked Notepad++
12:04 <MrBougo> perfect match!
12:04 <luke-jr> try diff
12:04 <MrBougo> 13272 lines
12:04 <MrBougo> lol so true, luke
12:05 <MrBougo> there's that unixutils package for windows
12:05 <MrBougo> i used it to patch some sources
12:05 <MrBougo> now gotta copy my music files
12:05 <MrBougo> hugey
12:05 <MrBougo> 25.9 gigs
12:06 <MrBougo> then i'll install... TADA
12:06 <MrBougo> kubuntu
12:06 <MrBougo> the answer will be no...
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12:07 <MrBougo> should i use ntfs with linux
12:07 <MrBougo> i mean
12:07 <MrBougo> do you think it's safe
12:07 <MrBougo> thats a stupid question
12:07 <MrBougo> i'll use fat32
12:09 <luke-jr> perfectly safe
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> rly?
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> with ntfs-utils or something
12:09 <luke-jr> no
12:09 <luke-jr> you should use ext3
12:09 <luke-jr> ☺
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> :p
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> it's a data partition
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> gotta be usable by both win and lin
12:10 <luke-jr> why?
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> it's a data partition
12:10 <luke-jr> delete win
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> if i have to move to windows for some reason
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> stfu :D
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> i'd like to have my data shared
12:11 <luke-jr> delete win
12:11 <luke-jr> if you need windoze, there's always WINE
12:11 <MrBougo_laptop> is it possible to mount a specific folder of a device ?
12:11 <MrBougo_laptop> or do i have to mount it in /mnt and link to that folder
12:12 <MrBougo_laptop> it would work pretty well, but i'm just wondering
12:13 <luke-jr> mount --bind /mnt/windows/stupid/crap /mnt/crap
12:13 <MrBougo> haha
12:13 <MrBougo> mount --bind?
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12:13 <MrBougo> what's the difference with some link
12:14 <luke-jr> …
12:14 <MrBougo> sorry heh
12:14 <luke-jr> if you rm -r /mnt/crap, it's gone
12:14 <luke-jr> if it was a link, the link only is gone
12:14 <MrBougo> sweet
12:14 <MrBougo> so the bind is useful to delete crap
12:14 <luke-jr> unless you put a / on the end
12:14 <luke-jr> bind is useful for chroots too
12:14 <MrBougo> is it?
12:15 <luke-jr> mandatory, even
12:15 <luke-jr> maybe not
12:15 <luke-jr> but close to it
12:15 <MrBougo> mandatory?
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12:15 <luke-jr> links don't escape chroots
12:15 <luke-jr> binds do
12:16 <MrBougo> oh
12:17 <MrBougo> so i can bind a folder that belongs to the root group to a folder that belongs to the user group?
12:17 <luke-jr> …
12:17 <luke-jr> who said anything about users or groups?
12:17 <MrBougo> noone :(
12:18  * MrBougo hides to cry
12:23 <luke-jr> this is why you should be installing Gentoo -.-
12:24 <MrBougo> :(
12:24 <MrBougo> so what withg chroots
12:24 <MrBougo> heh, and what happens if i mount two devs in a dir and i get a filename conflict
12:25 <MrBougo> or a folder name
12:25 <MrBougo> err dir*
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12:26 <luke-jr> mounting hides the original directory
12:26 <luke-jr> all the time
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> does it?
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> okay
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> so the last one mounted is the only visible one
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> that's a good thing
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12:50 <MrBougo_laptop> kay, i'm out
12:50 <MrBougo_laptop> bye all
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14:03 <philippeqc> good day!
14:05 <epsy> hay philippeqc
14:05 <philippeqc> hello
14:05 <luke-jr> philippeqc: ltns
14:05 <luke-jr> Nuclear bombs are bad ☹
14:05 <philippeqc> ltns?
14:06 <luke-jr> long time no see
14:06 <philippeqc> ltns = let's talk nomencalture scheme
14:06 <luke-jr> WTF
14:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma keeps nuking me
14:06 <luke-jr> spidey too
14:07 <luke-jr> and they brought on nuclear winter and global warming
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> no global warming, just nuclear winter
14:08 <luke-jr> liar
14:08 <philippeqc> kids, behave please!
14:12 <philippeqc> which game?
14:12 <spidey> don't do that shit luke
14:13 <spidey> you made my client freeze >:|
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> bahahahahaha
14:13 <luke-jr> …
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> how many cities did you have left?
14:13 <spidey> i 'uno
14:13 <spidey> i had all of lukes cities for sure
14:13 <luke-jr> HAHA
14:13 <luke-jr> you wish
14:14 <spidey> the ones i had taken
14:14 <luke-jr> I have 10 still
14:14 <spidey> 10?
14:14 <spidey> out of 100?
14:14 <spidey> LOL
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> he had some miscellaneous cities hanging around
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> luke: save that one, and then leave it running with no players
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> let the barbs take it over
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> then save it when there's only a few cities left under player control
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be a fun scenario to play
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> nuclear winter against barbs
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the cities he had left were scattered on islands
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> bet it would be another three hours tracking them down
14:15 <spidey> heh
14:15 <spidey> awak ftw
14:15 <luke-jr> not quite scattered
14:15 <luke-jr> I had at least one more major continent
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I saw two islands that you hadn't managed to connect yet
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> ah, what you call a major continent I call an island :)
14:16 <spidey> that was a funny game
14:16 <luke-jr> one of the larger bodies of land in the map
14:16 <spidey> luke setup in the mordor city next to my homebase
14:16 <spidey> with 9-10 howitzers
14:16 <spidey> killed 3 units in a fort, and is like "spidey was that your army?"
14:16 <spidey> then all his howitzers die.
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I was building nukes faster than I was building howitzers :)
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> ran out of cities before I ran out of nukes
14:17 <spidey> hah
14:17 <spidey> i had a 47sheild city spitting them out every 4 rounds
14:17 <spidey> then a 40ish every 4-5
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to build a bunch of helicopters to hunt down the rest of his cities
14:17 <spidey> i had a nuke every round atleast
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> that's about where I was, and had 4 cities on it
14:17 <luke-jr> ☹
14:17 <spidey> luke managed to get 1, 1, ONE nuke off xD
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> quit building bombers and just built nukes
14:18 <spidey> actually
14:18 <luke-jr> 2 spidey
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I stopped one, he was building in one city
14:18 <luke-jr> +3 if you count luci's
14:18 <spidey> i would have been better at hunting him down with choppers
14:18 <luke-jr> and it was built luci
14:18 <luke-jr> and fired
14:18 <flex-> what is this? civilizations?
14:18 <spidey> my choppers didn't run out of full
14:18 <spidey> fuel
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> really?  you nuked one of my cities?
14:18 <spidey> united nations ftw
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't even notice
14:18 <luke-jr> flex-: freeciv
14:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: the turn before you left
14:18 <spidey> yea, what luke-jr${noob}said
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I quit paying attention to what was going on back there
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> did you nuke sea of madness?
14:18 <epsy> oh you can turn it into a uncl war ? O_o
14:18 <luke-jr> 1420 AD now
14:19 <luke-jr> epsy: once you invent nukes
14:19 <epsy> omg
14:19 <epsy> xD
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> we went all nuclear on luke
14:19 <luke-jr> not sure
14:19 <spidey> he lost over 50 cities in less than 30 minutes
14:19 <spidey> rofl
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> could have taken his whole continent with warriors for all the nukes we were using :)
14:20 <luke-jr> epsy: they literally nuked all my cities
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> we threw in together to get manhattan's built :)
14:20 <luke-jr> and I didn't notice ☹
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: some of them I nuked twice to make sure they stayed nuked
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> learned something interesting though that might make me more inclined to use nukes in the future
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you know those little cities I build?
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> 4-5 point cities, high production?
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14:21 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't suffer at all in the nuclear winter, and we had multiple degrees of nuclear winter going
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost like they're immune to it
14:22 <luke-jr> …
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> the big cities I took from luke starved when the grasslands dried up
14:22 <luke-jr> 1480 AD
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> but my little cities kept on going just fine
14:22 <luke-jr> spidey's down to 2 cities
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, he got split right before we quit
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> we weren't playing to win anymore, we were playing to fuck up luke :)
14:23 <luke-jr> …
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> give it another 10 minutes and we'd have started nuking each other :)
14:23  * luke-jr was winning until you started nuking
14:23 <luke-jr> ☹
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> it alwasy works that way, even when we don't nuke
14:23 <luke-jr> not this time ☹
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> we don't get a high score early because we're too busy building our civs
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> after we're all built up, scores double within an hour or two, typically
14:25 <luke-jr> pbbt
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I don't know if my own civ would have survived an attack like what we did
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> but that was damned excessive :)
14:26 <spidey> it was awesome
14:26 <spidey> no civ would have survived
14:26 <spidey> any would have fallin
14:26 <spidey> especially if someone got lucky and hit the capital
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sdi defense had me stopped waiting on howitzers for a bit
14:26 <spidey> yea
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> but once I cracked that, the rest of his cities were empty
14:26 <spidey> that civ i built when i betrayed you
14:26 <spidey> you wouldn't have touched it, with nukes, with howitzers
14:26 <spidey> bombers
14:27 <spidey> ships
14:27 <spidey> it was dug in so deep and so well built up
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I would've attacked with riflemen, that's all I had :)
14:27 <spidey> LOL
14:27 <spidey> i ment like
14:27 <spidey> this game vs my civ that game
14:27 <spidey> i had sdi in every city, sam
14:27 <spidey> coastal
14:27 <spidey> 5 units per city min
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> I would have had to knuckle down and attack with howitzers and stealth bombers
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can only brute force it when there's sdi
14:28 <spidey> yea
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's always spies tearing down shit
14:28 <spidey> your bombers would have failed tho
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> so remember to put spies in your cities too
14:28 <spidey> i had sam and sdi
14:28 <spidey> i do when i remember
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> they don't fail, it's just like attacking city walls with catapults
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> takes a lot
14:28 <spidey> usually i forget unless i see one creeping around
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> so instead of clearing a city with 5 bombers, you clear a city with 15
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> expensive shit
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to get some sleep
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
14:29 <luke-jr> pfft
14:29 <spidey> 'night
14:29 <spidey> i'ma watch xfiles and get some sleep to
14:29 <spidey> thanks to luke i've been up 27 hours
14:29 <spidey> -.-
14:29 <luke-jr> I deleted your XFiles
14:29 <spidey> if you did you're dead
14:29  * spidey gets the war dialer ready
14:30 <luke-jr> :D
14:30 <luke-jr> go ahead
14:30 <luke-jr> all I do is change a config flag and it's done
14:30 <luke-jr> and no more wardialer bug
14:30 <spidey> ?
14:30 <spidey> lol
14:30 <luke-jr> worst case I disable the # you have for me
14:31 <spidey> :D
14:31 <luke-jr> actually
14:31  * luke-jr wardials spidey now
14:32 <spidey> lol
14:32 <spidey> w/e
14:32 <spidey> now
14:32 <spidey> xfiles
14:32 <spidey> -.-
14:32 <luke-jr> deleted
14:32 <spidey> and raman
14:32 <spidey> i'm watching them!
14:32 <luke-jr> MY RAMEN
14:32 <spidey> screw you
14:32 <spidey> i cooked them
14:32 <luke-jr> no thx
14:32 <luke-jr> homo
14:32 <spidey> u
14:32 <luke-jr> u
14:32 <spidey> no u
14:32 <luke-jr> no u
14:32 <spidey> NO U
14:33 <luke-jr> u^∞
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14:59 <Lucifer_arma> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
14:59 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
15:00 <epsy> #luke-jr_works nuclear missiles
15:00 <armabot> ♪ nuclear missiles are obsolete. ♫
15:01 <epsy> #lastseen glug
15:01 <armabot> epsy: ~T~GluGGsel has last been seen on Fortress Café 22 hours 21 minutes ago.
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15:03 <Lucifer_arma> #send epsy a hydrogen bomb
15:03 <armabot> I have sent a hydrogen bomb to epsy, it should arrive shortly.
15:05 <epsy> #help send
15:05 <armabot> epsy: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
15:05 <epsy> O_o
15:05 <epsy> i never knew it was doing that
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #send epsy a picture of my noggin
15:07 <armabot> I have sent a picture of my noggin to epsy, it should arrive shortly.
15:12 <luke-jr> …
15:13 <luke-jr> oops
15:13 <luke-jr> spidey died at some point
15:13 <luke-jr> as did barbarians
15:20 <tramshed> fuckin thing's full of ladybugs man.
15:33 <luke-jr> …
15:36 <tramshed> doubt me if you will
15:36 <tramshed> man, this box im turning into a server sucks so much balls
15:37 <tramshed> it can suck down more than about 400k/sec on the lan
15:37 <tramshed> I hope it can push more
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16:05 <luke-jr> …
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17:20 <runemaste644> i didnt know there was an armagetron channel!
17:20 <runemaste644> armagetron nicks?
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17:37 <luke-jr> …
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19:29 <philippeqc> re-hi all
19:29 <philippeqc> Louven has half a point
19:29 <MrBougo> ?
19:29 <philippeqc> that we have been ignoring minor improvements and fixes
19:29 <MrBougo> does Louven still exist?
19:30 <philippeqc> enough to come back from time to time, whine about the direction of the project and then remind us that he is no longer interested
19:31 <philippeqc> which I feel is a bit of a (no good word for it in english, the only thing I can think of is coward, but that's not it really, but lets use it as a place holder) coward for him to do so as he can come in good consience, drop his venim and leave without actually having to suggest anything tangible
19:31 <luke-jr> …
19:32 <philippeqc> if at least he said "guys, while making your geek trip you ignored these things" and listed them, we could actually produce something from all this
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19:39 <luke-jr> ok
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21:00 <K-Yo> .tea
21:00 <K-Yo> #tea
21:00 <armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): csimpi­0impi, csimpi­limpi, master
21:00 <K-Yo> #lastseen epsy
21:00 <armabot> K-Yo: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 7 minutes ago.
21:01 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:01 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): Apfelkuchen, BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°>??, ~|DS|~Slash
21:01 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:01 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): Apfelkuchen, BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°>??, ~|DS|~Slash
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21:04 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:04 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, Canteloupe, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Pluto, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°???, ~|DS|~Slash
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22:06 <ghableska> #tea
22:06 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): $kills, Dani, Oliver, Player 1, Squeezy, Ubuntu!, ~|DS|~ jazzy, ~|DS|~zion, °¯Hedera
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22:30 <flex-> hey MaZuffeR, wrtlprnft here?
22:50 <Lackadaisical> i think they're playing tr right now
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22:52 <wrtlprnft> flex-: now i'm here
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23:01 <Lackadaisical> did you win?
23:01 <flex-> ah yeah, abit late now but i was bored so i thought i'd offer my recording services :P
23:02 <flex-> yeah who won?
23:06 <MaZuffeR> tr won 3-0
23:06 <MaZuffeR> we played like shit
23:07 <flex-> damn
23:07 <flex-> where was epsy?
23:07 <MaZuffeR> idk
23:07 <wrtlprnft> at least they weren't totally hopeless losses
23:07 <wrtlprnft> like 20:100
23:08 <MaZuffeR> the last one was ok, the first very pretty bad
23:08 <MaZuffeR> were even
23:09 <wrtlprnft> the second was 0:32 at one point :(
23:10 <Lackadaisical> ouch
23:10 <Lackadaisical> were the teams even?
23:10 <MaZuffeR> it was 5 vs 6
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01:12 <flex-> lmao
01:12 <flex-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h863nXDqCM0
01:12 <flex-> Chris Crocker
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01:37 <epsy> ew
01:41 <flex-> epsy! where were you.. your team had a game today :P
01:41 <epsy> i know
01:42 <epsy> i was at some frind's home ;p
01:42 <epsy> 100-20 -.-
01:42 <epsy> can't believe it
01:42 <flex-> your fault? :P
01:43 <epsy> O8o
01:43 <epsy> O_o *
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02:12 <DrJoeTron> yo
02:13 <ghableska> hey joe
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03:00 <flex-> banning/kicking feature is just seriously pathetic..
03:29 <Khalsa> iptables ftw
03:30 -!- flex- is now known as flex
03:30 <flex> omg yay
03:31 <flex> finally that guy got off lol
03:31 <flex> he was idle for almost 20days
03:31 <flex> 500hours or something idle time
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you register the nickname so you can ghost him next time?
03:32 <flex> i have to drop the nick
03:32 <flex> no staff on
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?  registration is automatic....
03:32 <Lucifer_arma>  /msg NickServ help
03:32 <flex> not when the name is taken
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> then you shouldn't be using it :)
03:32 <flex> but the user that was on the current name wasn't idinitfed to it
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's why my name is Lucifer_arma
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> some people only identify with nickserv when they need to
03:33 <flex> he wasn't actually logged int to the name
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> some people only identify with nickserv when they need to
03:33 <Khalsa> naw, flex can more than easily get that nick
03:33 <flex> my fault? :P
03:34 <Khalsa> you can also get Lucifer if you want it Lucifer_arma
03:34 <Khalsa> just change nicks to it and get a staffer to drop it for you
03:34 <flex> anyways Lucifer, what's up with the ban/kick feature in tron?
03:34 -!- Khalsa is now known as Lucifer
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> they'll only do that if the name isn't used
03:34 <Lucifer> you want it?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> flex: what about it?
03:34 <flex> it sucks :P
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not being used, then sure
03:34 <Lucifer> lemme go get it dropped for you
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> but if it's being used, I don't want it :)
03:35 <flex> there's no staff on I believe
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03:36 <Lucifer> Lucifer_arma: i'm gonna change nicks back to khalsa, you please change nick to Lucifer after that and register it ASAP ok?
03:36 <flex> he dropped it^^
03:37 <Lucifer> Lucifer_arma: ready? (I dont want you to lose it)
03:37 <Lucifer> bah I g2g though, good luck
03:37 -!- Lucifer is now known as Gursikh
03:38 -!- noob7 is now known as Lucifer
03:38 <Lucifer> hm
03:39 <flex> congratulations :P
03:39 <Lucifer> :D
03:39 -!- Lucifer is now known as noob7
03:41 <noob7> looks like the nick isnt used, khalsa and me are the only two showing up on a /whowas
03:43 <noob7> if I were you Lucifer, I'd grab it... then you can have "Lucifer", "Lucifer_work" and "Lucifer_arma" ;)
03:43 <DrJoeTron> and Lucifer_fuckface
03:44 <noob7> ...would work as well
03:44 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Lucifer
03:44 <flex> Lucifer_arma, but what exactly is going on with the bannning feature with armagetron?
03:45 <noob7> flex, default is set to: 2 kicks = 1h ban - if I am not mistaken
03:45 <flex> I'm talking about dynamic IP abusing
03:46 <noob7> meh, if someone was kicked twice which resulted in a ban, he/she will be kicked/banned again anyways
03:46 <noob7> it's a scare-tactic more or less
03:46 <Lucifer> heh, well thanks Khalsa
03:46 <Lucifer> the name was taken when I first arrived, I'd assumed it was active
03:47 <noob7> but did he actually get it dropped? it really looks unused, /whowas just shows the two of us
03:47 <noob7> if it was used I am sure the "real" Lucifer will contact you anyways...
03:47 <Lucifer> if it was being used, nickserv wouldn't have let me register it
03:48 <flex> Khalsa went and got it dropped hehe :P
03:48 <flex> there was an admin :P
03:48 <noob7> oh :(
03:48 <Lucifer> the point is staff isn't supposed to drop a nick that's being actively used
03:49 <noob7> guess they didnt check up on that
03:49 <Lucifer> so whoever was using it before probably won't even show up asking for it because he hasn't been around long enough to keep the name active
03:49 <Lucifer> why do you say that?
03:49 <noob7> just assuming
03:49 <Lucifer> well, I'm assuming too, but it says on Freenode's website that they do check on that stuff
03:49 <Lucifer> they have a real policy about it
03:50 <noob7> you are probably right
03:50 <Lucifer> well, if I'm not, and he shows up, I'll give it back.  I'm not trying to steal names from people, but I would like to not have the _arma suffix anymore
03:50 <flex> well i spoke about the name "flex" and the guy was fine on dropping it as soon as I could get the name.. as the guy on the name wasn't actually logged in..
03:51 <noob7> flex, wow... that means not bnc'ed users are out of luck if you get the "right" admin on freenode?
03:51 <flex> so maybe he just wasn't logged but I guess if he wants it back he'll register it when I'm off :P
03:51 <flex> probably the case noob7
03:51 <flex> [02:37] <Lucifer> Hi, can any kind staffer please drop this nick for me ? ^_^
03:51 <flex> [02:37] <Dave2> Lucifer, done
03:52 <noob7> wtf? within the same minute...
03:52 <Lucifer> well I registered it as soon as I saw he'd done it, and then linked it to Lucifer_arma
03:52 <flex> seriously I don't see any harm in this..
03:52 <noob7> flex, as long as someone is able to get the nick back
03:53 <Lucifer> the harm is if someone is still actively using the name and you borrow it for awhile
03:53 <noob7> this can cause takeovers (if chanserv isnt around) rather quickly
03:53 <Lucifer> the reason there's a nickserv in the first place is from people abusing the "feature" and impersonating people
03:53 <noob7> (and if dumb ops are around for that matter...)
03:53 <Lucifer> and causing trouble
03:54 <flex> I thought it was mostly just for not causing trouble
03:55 <flex> the guy using flex was idle for 500hours haha. :P
03:55 <Lucifer> just using an active name that's not yours can cause trouble is my point
03:55 <Lucifer> I'm not saying you shouldn't use the name if it's really clear to you that it's not taken
03:55 <noob7> well... idling for 500h - I don't see any harm in dropping that name then
03:56 <flex> yeah I know, if he was just not logged in and actually was registered I guess he owns it
03:56 <Lucifer> just that there's a reason for the name protection stuff freenode's got :)
03:56 <Lucifer> well if he really does have it, he'll come back and ghost you
03:56 <noob7> ghosting a nick assumes the pwd wasnt changed
03:56 <Lucifer> you shouldn't register a name and then not use it, so if you do so, you should expect someone to take it :)
03:56 <flex> he's most probably an bot or something
03:56 <noob7> and since you registered it after it being dropped
03:57 <Lucifer> bots should give up their names for people that want them
03:57 <noob7> but a bot idling for 500h?
03:57 <Lucifer> logging bots will do that
03:57 <noob7> true
03:57 <noob7> or relay bots
03:57 <Lucifer> hell, guru3 probably does that
03:57 <flex> it was probably a bot
03:58 <Lucifer> but a bot should give up his name for a person that wants the name :)
03:58 <flex> exactly
03:58 <Lucifer> if you really don't want your bots to have to give up their names, give them names people don't want ;)
03:58 -!- noob7 is now known as noobbot
03:58 <noobbot> registered
03:58 <noobbot> damn
03:58 -!- noobbot is now known as noob7
03:58 <Lucifer> heh
03:58 <Lucifer> armabot's registered too
03:59 <noob7> but armabot is not a nick that a lot of people would want
03:59 <Lucifer> nobody would want it, the name is registered so armabot can do /msg
03:59 <flex> well if i'm asleep and someone named flex2 comes in here ranting for his name back direct them to me :P
03:59 <Lucifer> nah, we'll pretend not to know what's going on and that you've been using the name for years
03:59 <Lucifer> :)
03:59 <noob7> this actually pisses me off, non registered useres not being able to /msg
03:59 <flex> haha
04:00 <Lucifer> noob7: that's yet another thing that is intended to solve a problem that isn't here because it's been solved
04:00 <Lucifer> remove the solution, the problem will come back :)
04:00 <flex> what you want to get "hey check this hot chick out at www.pornoblabla.org.sffewf.ew"
04:00 <noob7> maybe true, but then again I wasnt on efnet in quite a while and therefor am not used to the /msg spam anymore
04:00 <noob7> ;)
04:01 <noob7> there has to be some scripts to "whitelist" ppl to /msg you...
04:01 <noob7> or maybe just implement it server-side for registered ppl
04:02 <Lucifer> the point is to make everybody do a little thing that's a tad inconvenient to prove they're not going to spam/stalk people
04:02 <Lucifer> so implementing methods to get around it just asks for new ways for the problem to come back
04:02 <Lucifer> and requires work on the server side, which is the opposite of what's desired
04:02 <Lucifer> typically, I don't know if that's what freenode's thinking
04:03 <Lucifer> it's like a captcha, prove you're not a bot
04:03 <noob7> but it kept me from running a bot on freenode yet...
04:03 <noob7> because I am noob with tcl
04:03 <Lucifer> only in irc, bots are wanted, so you have to do some extra work with bots
04:03 <Lucifer> look, it's not that hard to run a supybot, and buildbot's irc handler can also identify with nickserv
04:04 <Lucifer> just get the bot you want, make sure it'll identify with nickserv, then register the nick yourself and configure the bot
04:04 <Lucifer> it's just one extra step, and it's not terribly difficult to do either
04:04 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa++
04:04 <noob7> yeah, just havent figured out how to do that with an eggie yet
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Khalsa++ has neutral karma.
04:04 <Lucifer> Khalsa++
04:04 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: Khalsa has neutral karma.
04:04 <noob7> but like I said, I am noob ;)
04:04 <Lucifer> #list karma
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
04:04 <Lucifer> armabot: Khalsa++
04:05 <Lucifer> #karma Khalsa
04:05 <armabot> Lucifer: Karma for "Khalsa" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
04:05 <Lucifer> ah, there we go
04:05  * noob7 goes back to instructables and a last beer, 4am already
04:06 <Lucifer> armabot: wrtlprnft++
04:06 <Lucifer> armabot: wrtlprnft++
04:06 <Lucifer> twice, for the karma plugin :)
04:07 <noob7> #karma wrtlprnft
04:07 <armabot> noob7: Karma for "wrtlprnft" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
04:07 <noob7> armabot: noob7++
04:07 <armabot> noob7: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
04:07 <noob7> :D
04:08 -!- noob7 is now known as noob8
04:08 <noob8> armabot: noob7++
04:08 <noob8> armabot: noob7++
04:08 -!- noob8 is now known as noob7
04:09 <Lucifer> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071004-419ers-busted-2-1-billion-in-fraudulent-checks-snatched.html
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> armabot: noob7--
04:11 <Lucifer> #karma noob7
04:11 <armabot> Lucifer: Karma for "noob7" has been increased 2 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -1.
04:14 <Lucifer> http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071005_kaguya_e.html
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04:29 <DrJoeTron> man vicodin rocks
04:29 <Lucifer> yes it does
04:29 <DrJoeTron> i got all of my wisdom teeth pulled yesturday
04:29 <DrJoeTron> and i feel great
04:29 <Lucifer> if the dentist always gives vicodin when I go see him, he'll be my best friend
04:29 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
04:45 <Lucifer> http://www.cafepress.com/armadilloaero.129946258
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06:16 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
06:16 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
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06:41 <MrBougo> hello
07:08 <GodTodd> grrrr
07:08 <MrBougo> ?
07:08 <MrBougo> i'm happy
07:08 <GodTodd> i'm not
07:08 <MrBougo> i can run nexuiz with ultimate quality
07:08 <GodTodd> :)
07:08 <MrBougo> and i get 760 fps
07:08 <MrBougo> 60*
07:09 <MrBougo> why arent you
07:09 <GodTodd> i suddenly can't see any of my smb shares :/
07:09 <MrBougo> :(
07:09 <GodTodd> just from my laptop tho
07:09 <GodTodd> the kitchen machine sees them fine
07:11 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a smb viewer
07:11 <armabot> I have sent a smb viewer to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
07:11 <GodTodd> heh
07:11 <GodTodd> it was working fine
07:11 <GodTodd> then all of a sudden it can't find any workgroup computers on my local network
07:11 <Lucifer> hey, you missed a great freeciv game last night
07:12 <GodTodd> did i?
07:12 <Lucifer> yeah, it was actually fun :)
07:12 <GodTodd> heh
07:12 <Lucifer> spidey and I nuked the living piss out of luke
07:12 <GodTodd> ah..the magic word that means i'm not sorry i missed it
07:12 <Lucifer> he went in from one side, and I went in from the other, and we converged on luke's capital
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <Lucifer> ?  you're not sorry you missed nuking luke?
07:13 <MrBougo> lol
07:13 <Lucifer> at the end, I was able to take like 12 cities with one unit
07:13 <GodTodd> i've already vowed that i will never play any game with luke-jr
07:13 <MrBougo> haha
07:13 <GodTodd> and i plan to stick to it :)
07:13 <Lucifer> not even if you get to nuke him?
07:13 <MrBougo> why do you all team up vs luke
07:13 <GodTodd> not even then
07:13 <MrBougo> and the main question
07:13 <MrBougo> why does he play with you guys
07:13 <Lucifer> this time it ws necessity, MrBougo
07:13 <MrBougo> hehe
07:14 <GodTodd> because he has no real friends so he looks for any sense of belonging?
07:14 <Lucifer> I went in intending to attack spidey, but two of the ais came after us at the same time and we had to ally to survive it
07:14 <MrBougo> the hell!
07:14 <Lucifer> then we were strong allies and got bored fighting the ais and nuked luke instead
07:15 <Lucifer> but luke had allied with the two ais that were fighting us, and we had allied with the two ais that luke was fighting
07:15 <GodTodd> i just pretty much got tired of his childish "power plays" and decided this life is too short to deal with that shit :)
07:15 <MrBougo> nuke your luke!
07:15 <Lucifer> I don't blame you, but fighting luke in freeciv is slightly more entertaining than fighting an ai
07:16 <Lucifer> at least when it's luke, you get some satisfaction knowing there's a real person at the other end who's losing
07:16 <Lucifer> we have a savegame that's just me vs him where after the initial resistance, his whole civ basically collapsed
07:16 <GodTodd> yeah...but the peace of mind i get from not dealing with him is far superior to beating him in a game :)
07:16 <Lucifer> all that's left is the remaining housecleaning
07:17 <Lucifer> still, at the rate he's currently improving in freeciv, in about 3-4 years he might be a pretty tough opponent
07:18 <GodTodd> heh
07:18 <Lucifer> really.  His initial resistance when I finally invaded him was pretty strong, it just wasn't strong enough
07:18 <Lucifer> see, we'd setup lines of muskets (later riflemen)
07:18 <Lucifer> his resistance was enough to get his border city destroyed, but he never challenged my line
07:18 <MrBougo> brb
07:19 <Lucifer> ideally, he would've pushed back the invaders (or stepped around them, which is what I would have done) and redressed his line
07:19 <MrBougo> oh no not brb
07:19 <Lucifer> to stop the invaders from being reinforced
07:20 <Lucifer> anyway, his line was broken from the beginning.  Mine was all forts and rails, his was just fortified units.  I would have been surprised if he'd broken through my line
07:20 <Lucifer> but even if he had, he would've encountered a second line a few squares behind the first and had to break through *that* somehow
07:20 <Lucifer> the whole time suffering from auto-attack artillery from every nearby city
07:21 <Lucifer> man, now spidey and I need to do a head-to-head game
07:21 <Lucifer> probably end in nuclear winter, and the barbs would win, but could be interesting
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer> spidey would have pushed me back over my line and made me find a different way to attack :)
07:21 <GodTodd> ok...now that's fucked up....
07:22 <GodTodd> i went through "open location" in konq...and could see the shares...
07:22 <GodTodd> so i then went through the "remote" thingy and now i can see them again
07:22 <GodTodd> :/
07:22 <GodTodd> which means i can probably print again
07:23 <Lucifer> heh
07:23 <Lucifer> wireless is amazingly unreliable
07:23 <MrBougo> i'm using wireless
07:23 <GodTodd> that's the thing...it's just this stupid internal wireless shit
07:23 <MrBougo> :(
07:23 <GodTodd> the kitchen wireless is rock solid
07:24 <MrBougo> oh
07:24 <MrBougo> not the wireless kitchen
07:24 <MrBougo> i misread
07:24 <Lucifer> my wireless is rock solid too, except that it periodically drops connection
07:24 <Lucifer> but it never loses parts of the connection, it's all or nothing
07:24 <Lucifer> so if I can see my router, I can print on the printer
07:24 <Lucifer> cups daemon, though
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <GodTodd> i could ping everything too
07:24 <MrBougo> and if it interrupts while you're uploading to your printer
07:24 <MrBougo> does it send the missing packets?
07:24 <GodTodd> just couldn't browse it
07:25 <Lucifer> MrBougo: cups rejects the print job
07:25 <MrBougo> oh
07:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: are the samba shares hosted on a windows machine?
07:25 <GodTodd> two are...one isn;t
07:25 <GodTodd> isn't*
07:25 <Gursikh> Lucifer: the nick was created 2.5 years ago, and hadn't been used for 1+ years, freenode staff can drop any nick not used for 60 days
07:26 <Gursikh> or 90 days.... I dont remember now
07:26 <GodTodd> Stuff I'm Keeping 1 and 2 are on the win box upstairs
07:26 <Lucifer> Gursikh: ah, that makes sense
07:26 <GodTodd> Kitchen Stuff We're Keeping is on the kubuntu box
07:26 <Lucifer> I showed up here when it was still active :)
07:27 <GodTodd> anywho...i'll have to see if karen can see the shares again now too
07:27 <GodTodd> heh
07:27 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it's possible they were renegotiating shit (I forget the right terms used in smb), and you need to have one declare itself authoritative
07:28 <GodTodd> i've *almost* got her to where i can dual boot her laptop
07:28 <Lucifer> imagine a small collection of luke-jrs arguing over the true faith, that's what I mean
07:28 <GodTodd> so...one of them suddenly found god?
07:28 <Lucifer> man, I love being the techie in the house
07:28 <Lucifer> GodTodd: more like they all did at once and immediately set to arguing over it
07:28 <GodTodd> heh
07:29 <Lucifer> which is a summary of the entire history of religion :)
07:29 <GodTodd> but then wouldn't that have made an issue on the kitchen box seeing them too?
07:29 <Lucifer> not if it hadn't broken connection in the meantime
07:29 <GodTodd> ah
07:29 <GodTodd> ok
07:29 <GodTodd> that makes sense then
07:29 <Lucifer> because it already knew about them
07:29 <Lucifer> there's a setting in smb.conf to make your linux machine dominate the others
07:30 <GodTodd> i'll have to check into it then
07:30 <GodTodd> sometime
07:30 <Lucifer> in windows land there's fancy language used, but samba simplifies it
07:30 <GodTodd> i'm thinky thinking that i may need to start pricing barebones systems
07:31 <GodTodd> i have a sinking feeling the upstairs machine is near it's last legs
07:31 <Lucifer> heh
07:31 <Lucifer> I'm concerned my laptop is nearing the end of its service life
07:31 <GodTodd> not a bad run...i've had it over 7 years
07:31 <Lucifer> it's only a couple of years old, though!
07:31 <Lucifer> but the fan's rattling, hard drive's making clankity noises
07:31 <GodTodd> ewww
07:31 <GodTodd> my upstairs box has already been through one power supply
07:32 <Lucifer> yeah.  hard drive doesn't sound like it's toast yet, and it could just be getting old, but the noises are the same made on the path to failure
07:32 <Lucifer> my server's been through a power supply and a motherboard
07:32 <GodTodd> you get it free? or cheap?
07:32 <GodTodd> same mobo on my server
07:32 <Lucifer> laptop?
07:32 <GodTodd> yeah
07:32 <Lucifer> laptop I bought brand new
07:32 <GodTodd> wow
07:32 <GodTodd> what brand?
07:32 <Lucifer> heh
07:32 <Lucifer> Compaq
07:33 <GodTodd> aha
07:33 <Lucifer> Presario R3000
07:33 <GodTodd> :)
07:33 <Lucifer> it was damn near a fire sale, since the 64bit models were out and I got an older 32bit model
07:33 <GodTodd> i got this laptop brand new for $378 a couple years ago
07:33 <GodTodd> still running fine (need ram tho ;))
07:33 <Lucifer> in a way, I want my laptop to break so I can go buy a tablet PC to replace it
07:33 <Lucifer> the problem is I don't have the money to buy a replacement of any sort, so my wife's just going to say "tough shit"
07:34 <GodTodd> yep
07:34 <GodTodd> i just want this one to get me through school
07:34 <GodTodd> then i'ma get a good job and go top o' the line :)
07:34 <Lucifer> we bought this one with the intention of having it get me through school, and then retire it
07:34 <GodTodd> same here
07:34 <Lucifer> I hope it survives, really
07:35 <Lucifer> or I can replace it
07:35 <GodTodd> sat in line for hours for this fucker
07:35 <Lucifer> UT engineering students are required to have a laptop
07:35 <GodTodd> it'll go down with me fighting every step of the way
07:35 <GodTodd> :)
07:35 <Lucifer> heh
07:35 <Lucifer> I should probably price a replacement fan
07:35 <Lucifer> I already opened it up and cleaned it once
07:35 <GodTodd> fry's is probably the best bet
07:35 <Lucifer> that didn't help, the bearings dried up
07:36 <GodTodd> i'd also price a hdd
07:36 <GodTodd> and make sure backups are good and current :)
07:36 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I need to finish setting up my backup system
07:37 <Lucifer> well, if the hard drive goes south on me, I'm going to bring the 300GB usb drive out and throw an OS on it and use it for awhile
07:37 <Lucifer> or I'll switch to DSL on a pendrive, one of the two
07:37 <Lucifer> I've been slowly getting myself to where everything I use is kept somewhere else
07:37 <GodTodd> i could never get wireless working on DSL
07:37 <GodTodd> that's how i do stuff
07:37 <GodTodd> pretty much anything kept on the lappy is replaceable
07:37 <Lucifer> so DSL on a pendrive will probably work, and I'll do nfs when I'm home, the pendrive will have to suffice when I'm now
07:37 <Lucifer> *not
07:38 <Lucifer> well, easily the stuff I use is always kept in svn
07:38 <Lucifer> I just need to make sure it's all there, really
07:38 <Lucifer> then I can checkout, work, commit, and delete if space is important
07:38 <GodTodd> yep....better to be anal about backups than to lose shit you really really need :)
07:38 <Lucifer> yep
07:39 <Lucifer> problem with my backup drive is that it's slow, so it takes all night to backup two computers
07:39 <Gursikh> +clarkkkkson
07:39 <Lucifer> there isn't time to backup all three :(
07:39 <GodTodd> is that the usb drive?
07:39 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the usb drive
07:39 <Lucifer> it has a firewire plug, I need to look if my server has one
07:39 <Lucifer> I don't remember it having one, but I could be wrong
07:39 <GodTodd> i need to go through a hdd buying spree again
07:39 <GodTodd> i'm almost outta space
07:40 <Lucifer> hard drives are the one thing I always need but never manage to have the money for
07:40 <GodTodd> need a couple of those 750 GB jobbies
07:40 <Lucifer> it would be different if you could get decent sizes for $20
07:40 <GodTodd> yeah
07:40 <Lucifer> then I could buy a new one every month
07:40 <Lucifer> but no, you have to put down at least $50, and that gets you worthless crap
07:40 <GodTodd> generally you can get 1-200 GB for 80-100
07:40 <GodTodd> that's about as cheap as decent gets lately
07:41 <Lucifer> well, size isn't so important to me.  20GB drives would do me just fine, I'd be happy to shop in the low end there if I could get decent speed drives for $20-30
07:41 <Lucifer> because over time, the sizes in the low end would increase and I could just upgrade the ones I've got
07:42 <Lucifer> but since that's not what happens, I wind up generally shopping in the $120-$150 range, get the best bang for the buck, and then nurse it forever
07:42 <Gursikh> do what I do, get some decent cheap shared hosting, encrypt your files and rsync them acorss 3 different servers + one local usb drive
07:42 <Gursikh> very cost effective
07:42 <Gursikh> amazon s3 is also getting there
07:42 <Lucifer> but not independent
07:42 <Lucifer> I absolutely require that my data be stored in my home :)
07:43 <GodTodd> same here
07:43 <Gursikh> I absolutely require that I have some offsite backups in case my home burns down or blows up
07:43 <Lucifer> yeah, I've got a copy of all his data
07:43 <Lucifer> well, I figure if that happens, I'm screwed and my electronic data is the least of my worries
07:43 <Gursikh> i'm not
07:44 <Gursikh> My life is in electronic data, I could lose _almost_ all my physical stuff and recover
07:44 <Gursikh> if I lost all my data... i'd be royally screwed
07:44 <Lucifer> nevertheless, if I'm home and my house is on fire, I'm supposed to grab the usb drive when I evacuate
07:44 <Gursikh> and if you're not home?
07:44 <Lucifer> worth considering :)
07:44 <Gursikh> or if you're out of town and you get a call at 2 am that your house burned down?
07:45 <Lucifer> speaking of whiches, I've been wanting to hit up GodTodd for a reciprocal backup mirroring arrangement
07:45 <Lucifer> but it sounds like we probably don't have enough space together to pull it off
07:45 <GodTodd> we'll have to look into it....once we have more space of course :)
07:45 <GodTodd> i *could* probably free some up
07:46 <GodTodd> but this semester is kicking my ass for some reason
07:46 <Gursikh> or even greater chance of happening (happened to me): House is struck by lightnight and fries all your electornics, and of course it's at night while you're doing you backups, your drives are screwed over. How cost effective is it to attempt to recover that data form the borked drives than to redownload it from an offsite backup
07:46 <GodTodd> so i haven't had a chance to go through it all
07:46 <GodTodd> see...if we set up the mirroring arrangement...we'd *have* offsite backup :)
07:47 <GodTodd> a good 3.5 hours offsite
07:47 <Gursikh> do it defenitly
07:47 <Lucifer> Gursikh: the actual chances of my house being hit are very slim
07:47 <Gursikh> I thought that too :-(
07:47 <Lucifer> but fire is a more realistic possibility
07:47 <GodTodd> we have too many big trees here
07:47 <Gursikh> offsite backups ftw
07:47 <Lucifer> well, see, besides the large trees, my neighbor's got a flag pole, and there's several telephone polls nearby
07:47 <GodTodd> they'd get hit before my house would
07:47 <Gursikh> BOOM!
07:47 <Lucifer> but fire is much more realistic, because of the trees, and the houses being close to each other
07:48 <GodTodd> yeah
07:48 <GodTodd> fire is a real possibility
07:48 <GodTodd> especially since i installed my own stove ;)
07:48 <GodTodd> heh
07:48 <Lucifer> I forget the exact word for it, but the houses are literally built on the property lines to maximize population density
07:48 <GodTodd> stupid?
07:48 <GodTodd> :)
07:48 <Lucifer> heh
07:48 <Lucifer> worse yet, the houses are built long and skinny, so it almost looks like a neighborhood of trailers
07:49 <Gursikh> my friend has his usb drive built in to his car with a little mini-pc with wireless, with the sole activity of connecting to his home wireless when he parks and running sync scripts
07:49 <Gursikh> so he has backups everywhere he drives
07:49 <Gursikh> but he's a nutjob
07:49 <Lucifer> yeah :)
07:49 <Lucifer> well, so am I...
07:49 <GodTodd> i'd figure those would be the least safe of all...
07:49 <Lucifer> I try to keep my car in shape where there's nothing of value in it
07:49 <Gursikh> he also has like 210938430948324 HDD's and has pracically created a local cache of the freakin internet
07:50 <GodTodd> i have 4 server drives
07:50 <Lucifer> because having offsite backups in my car a) isn't real protection because if I *am* at home, so is my car, and b) if someone steals the backup, they now know everything about me
07:50 <GodTodd> i think it's around half a TB
07:50 <GodTodd> i need more :/
07:50 <Lucifer> I've only got 60GB in my server
07:50 <Gursikh> encryption ftw
07:50 <Lucifer> 60 in the desktop
07:51 <Lucifer> the desktop is a server, though, serves the ltsp client
07:51 <GodTodd> well...like i said...i'm sure a bunch of it is duplicate backup shit that i can merge
07:51 <Gursikh> Most people I know use full-disk encryption + individual file encryption
07:51 <GodTodd> just haven't looked into it that fully yet
07:52 <GodTodd> once i free up space i'ma set up full incremental backups so it's all safe and automatic
07:52 <Lucifer> I dont' trust encryption enough for that sort of work
07:52 <Gursikh> rsync is awesome
07:52 <GodTodd> nah...i don't encrypt either
07:52 <GodTodd> i just basically copy
07:53 <Lucifer> maybe as part of an overall defensive strategy, sure, but if that's the only thing stopping someone who's already physically in possession of my hard drive, I don't trust it
07:53 <Gursikh> well absoultely, it's just one more part of the overall security puzzle
07:53 <GodTodd> of course...i could follow halliburton's backup strategy and run a raid on workstation hdds
07:53 <GodTodd> ;)
07:54 <Gursikh> but for instance If my laptop was stolen, at least I know 99% of the criminals who steal laptops wont be able to easily get my data
07:54 <Lucifer> when I found that most of the data I kept on my hard drive was static, I started putting it on cds
07:54 <Lucifer> well, for a criminal to steal my laptop, he'd have to physically assault me
07:54 <Lucifer> or break into my house
07:54 <GodTodd> yeah...no one's getting my lappy
07:54 <Lucifer> when I take it places, it's a part of me
07:55 <Lucifer> the only time it ever leaves my sight is at home
07:55 <GodTodd> besides....the area i live in (as well as where the school is) everyone's lappy is better than mine anyways ;)
07:55 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the other thing :)
07:55 <Lucifer> nobody steals a laptop with missing keys
07:55 <GodTodd> mine's not missing anything...but i live in a snobby type town
07:55 <Lucifer> and the ext3 filesystem will stop most petty thieves anyway
07:55 <GodTodd> too damn many rich people here
07:56 <GodTodd> heh
07:56 <Gursikh> lol
07:56 <Lucifer> all they can do with that is reformat and stick winders on it
07:56 <GodTodd> we're lower middle class at 80K in this town
07:56 <Lucifer> heh
07:56 <Gursikh> yeash
07:56 -!- hoop_tron [n=john@ip-195-14.sn2.eutelia.it] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
07:56 <GodTodd> possibly upper lower class
07:56 <Lucifer> I'm in the island of lower middle class surrounded by really rich people
07:57 <Gursikh> on that note I must sleep, night Lucifer_nonarma
07:57 <Lucifer> hell, Dennis Quaid lives in the neighborhood that's right next to me
07:57 <Lucifer> 'night Gursikh
07:57 <GodTodd> cya Gursikh
07:57 <Gursikh> night god
07:57 <GodTodd> michael irvin lives here in plano
07:57 <GodTodd> got busted the other month for drugs in his car
07:57 <spidey> Lucifer: no _arma? o.o
07:58 <Lucifer> so, after several years of explaining the _arma, now I'm going to have to explain why it's gone?
07:58 <GodTodd> probably
07:58 <GodTodd> people fear change
07:58 <GodTodd> :)
07:58 <Lucifer> especially loose change
07:58 <Lucifer> hey spidey, GodTodd doesn't believe we played civ with luke and had fun
07:58 <GodTodd> speaking of which...i need to endorse this child support check
07:58 <GodTodd> heh
07:58 <spidey> we did!
07:59 <spidey> we nuked the fuck out of luke
07:59 <GodTodd> oh, no...i believe you had fun
07:59 <spidey> we dropped over 15 nukes each
07:59 <spidey> xD
07:59 <GodTodd> i just said i wouldn't have :)
07:59 <Lucifer> we carpet-nuked him
08:00 <Lucifer> there wasn't any grassland left, it was all desert
08:00 <Lucifer> it was awesome :)
08:00 <spidey> there was some ice
08:00 <Lucifer> not that you could see what luke's terrain was like under all the mushrooms
08:00 <GodTodd> heh
08:00 <Lucifer> should've taken a screenshot
08:00 <Lucifer> spidey: yeah, but apparently there was global warming
08:01 <GodTodd> Lucifer: need more flash drives?
08:01 <Lucifer> I had a glacier that my howitzers couldn't pass, then they could
08:01 <spidey> heh
08:01 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I'll take any I can get, of course :)
08:01 <GodTodd> 1GB for 10$
08:01 <Lucifer> hmmm, don't have $10 right now
08:01 <spidey> anyone care to teach me how to use qemu? :P
08:01 <Lucifer> have to be cheap, my wife still hasn't found a job
08:01 <Lucifer> spidey: it's not hard, you create a hard drive image, then run qemu with the image
08:02 <Lucifer> read the docs for how to do it, but that's basically all you have to do
08:02 <spidey> hm
08:02 <Lucifer> try it with a .iso image and you'll get the idea
08:02 <Lucifer> anyway, qemu hooks up to your hardware, so after you load it up, you hae to install an OS into it
08:03 <GodTodd> hmmm wonder if my lappy can use this dimm...
08:03 <GodTodd> 1GB PC2-5300 So-Dimm
08:03 <GodTodd> Outpost# 4787509  Patriot PSD21G6672S
08:03 <GodTodd>   more info
08:03 <GodTodd>   $29.99
08:04 <GodTodd> 30$ for 1GB is pretty damn good
08:05 <GodTodd> hrmm...120$ for a roomba
08:05 <GodTodd> might hafta talk the wife into that ;)
08:06 <Lucifer> do it
08:06 <Lucifer> but watch out for the kids
08:06 <Lucifer> mine tore mine up :(
08:06 <Lucifer> now it barely works, and doesn't do edges very well
08:06 <Lucifer> but when it worked, it worked well.  It would do about half the house on a charge
08:06 <GodTodd> cool...we've just been waiting on the price to drop
08:07 <Lucifer> ah
08:07 <Lucifer> we got ours for $80 clearance at best buy :)
08:07 <GodTodd> and lately she's been more and more frustrated with how quickly the floor dirties up with two kids and two dogs ;)
08:07 <GodTodd> then i just need a scooba and a robot mower
08:07 <Lucifer> oh it just gets worse and worse
08:07 <GodTodd> then i'm set
08:07 <GodTodd> :)
08:07 <Lucifer> the real problem is keeping the larger items off the floor so the roomba can work
08:08 <GodTodd> yeah
08:08 <GodTodd> that's my only worry
08:08 <GodTodd> but shouldn't be too hard to convince her it's for the best :)
08:08 <Lucifer> which reminds me, we got a new vacuum to replace our aging one, making the aging one a good candidate for building a robot
08:08 <Lucifer> it's definitely for the best
08:08 <Lucifer> you have to pick the things up anyway, after all
08:08 <GodTodd> yep
08:09 <Lucifer> a lot of kid toys are also immune to the roomba, and it'll just change directions when it hits one
08:09 <GodTodd> and i'd rather pick them up for the robot to do the work than to pick them up for me to run the vacuum
08:09 <Lucifer> so you can start the roomba and then start picking up the rest
08:09 <Lucifer> yeah, true
08:09 <Lucifer> it's also worthy to pick up a steam cleaner to use after the roomba
08:09 <Lucifer> that way, you still do the same amount of work, you just have a much cleaner floor :)
08:09 -!- MrBougo is now known as MrBougo_laptop
08:09 <Lucifer> or steam clean at regular intervals, like you'd otherwise do
08:10 <Lucifer> I'm very interested in the scooba, though.  Our tile floors get sorely neglected
08:10 <GodTodd> we already have a steam cleaner
08:10 <Lucifer> steam cleaner is a must in a house with carpets and kids
08:10 <Lucifer> dogs too, come to think of it :)
08:10 <GodTodd> roger that
08:10 <GodTodd> :)
08:11 <Lucifer> ours broke, so we're living without one riht now
08:11 <GodTodd> it's not a hardship unless you've had one
08:11 <GodTodd> cuz then you know what you're missing ;)
08:11 <MrBougo_laptop> Lucifer: why did you drop your _arma tag?
08:11 <Lucifer> yep
08:11 <GodTodd> bahaha
08:11 -!- MrBougo_laptop is now known as MrBougo
08:11 <Lucifer> I'm just going to ignore those questions
08:11 <GodTodd> make an alias
08:12 <GodTodd> then you just explain it once and shoot it at people :)
08:12 <Lucifer> I already hooked this name up to the other, so they're linked
08:12 <MrBougo> okay
08:12 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a good explanation for why the _arma tag is gone
08:12 <MrBougo> i was just wondering why
08:12 <armabot> I have sent a good explanation for why the _arma tag is gone to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:12 <MrBougo> btw, who made this alias?
08:12 <Lucifer> me
08:12 <Lucifer> why?
08:12 <MrBougo> because i "fixed it"
08:13 <MrBougo> #help send
08:13 <armabot> MrBougo: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
08:13 <Lucifer> I saw the change, but can't say it's an improvement
08:13 <MrBougo> it's simply shorter
08:13 <MrBougo> was the $2 useful?
08:13 <Lucifer> true, but it's also less explicit what's happening
08:14 <Lucifer> the idea is that the $2 goes with the article in the statement, and the article is then required
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo something
08:14 <armabot> I have sent something to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <Lucifer> that was explicitly disallowed, my way :)
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo dick
08:14 <armabot> I have sent dick to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo Enterprise
08:14 <armabot> I have sent Enterprise to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:14 <MrBougo> i guess you typoed "duck"
08:15 <GodTodd> no
08:15 <Lucifer> so sentences can easily be grammatically incorrect
08:15 <MrBougo> ouch
08:15 <GodTodd> you typoed dick
08:15 <GodTodd> :)
08:15 <MrBougo> Lucifer: with your old code you could also omit arg 3
08:15 <Lucifer> it's no big deal, though, because without the $2, you can have sentences that are grammatically correct that you otherwise couldn't have
08:15 <Lucifer> ?  you're looking at a very early version
08:15 <Lucifer> I fixed it after that to use the $*
08:16 <MrBougo> #alias add "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.' is not a valid command name.
08:16 <Lucifer> so your improvement just removed the $2
08:16 <MrBougo> oops
08:16 <MrBougo> that's it
08:16 <MrBougo> and it didnt change the behaviour of the alias
08:16 <GodTodd> #send Lucifer dick
08:16 <armabot> I have sent dick to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <MrBougo> i might disconnect a bit
08:16 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd colon
08:16 <armabot> I have sent colon to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:16 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:16 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@118.199-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
08:16 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a colon
08:16 <GodTodd> disconnect "a bit"?
08:16 <armabot> I have sent a colon to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
08:16 <Lucifer> I think he meant "in a bit"
08:17 <Lucifer> they don't have prepositions in Belgium
08:17 <GodTodd> they don't have a lot in belgium, do they?
08:17 <GodTodd> waffles and shit i suppose
08:17 <GodTodd> :)
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08:18 <Lucifer> well, they've got a nice highway that makes it easy to get from Germany to France very quickly, sidestepping hte Maginot line
08:18 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:18 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:18 <MrBougo> #send Lucifer something
08:18 <armabot> I have sent something to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
08:18 <GodTodd> wtf would you want to get to france very quickly?
08:18 <Lucifer> heh
08:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: because you're leaving Germany, of course
08:18 <GodTodd> germany > france
08:18 <GodTodd> :P
08:18 <MrBougo> belgium > russia
08:19 <GodTodd> #send MrBougo clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <Lucifer> well, france is on the way to Spain, too
08:19 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:19 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:19 <GodTodd> germany > spain
08:19 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent a clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <GodTodd> #send MrBougo clue
08:19 <armabot> I have sent clue to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:19 <Lucifer> germany is not > spain!
08:19 <GodTodd> sure it is
08:19 <Lucifer> spain has hot mediterranean chicks in it, and germany does not!
08:19 <spidey> lag :D
08:19 <Lucifer> hot brown chicks > hot white chicks
08:20 <GodTodd> it will when i become supreme dictator
08:20 <spidey> maybe 256mb of ram for qemu was to much
08:20 <spidey> bt, Lucifer${noob}, i like qemu alot better than vmware so far :D
08:20 <Lucifer> heh
08:20 <MrBougo> spain is the 51st biggest, germani is the 63rd
08:20 <Lucifer> I like vmware better than qemu :/
08:20 <Lucifer> are either of them as big as Texas?
08:20 <Lucifer> we have lots of hot brown chicks in Texas
08:20 <spidey> on windows, vmware runs like 7 processes
08:21 <MrBougo> spain 504,030 km² (51st)
08:21 <spidey> :|
08:21 <GodTodd> yeah we do
08:21 <MrBougo> germany 357,021 km² (63rd)
08:21 <MrBougo> spidey: yup
08:21 <MrBougo> you can switch off some thoygh
08:21 <Lucifer> 678,051 km²
08:21 <spidey> not if you want the guest to have net :P
08:21 <Lucifer> yep, Texas is bigger :)
08:22 <Lucifer> true, vmware runs an embedded samba server in linux
08:22 <Lucifer> it's a pain
08:22 <spidey> texas is to hot in the valley
08:22 <spidey> man i was so pissed
08:22 <GodTodd> not a lot of countries bigger than texas
08:22 <Lucifer> well, the US is
08:22 <spidey> like 5 miles from the mexican border
08:22 <Lucifer> man, I've neer seen somebody whine so much about an AC going out
08:23 <Lucifer> my truck doesn't even have AC!
08:23 <Lucifer> of course, I don't drive it, but that's not why!
08:23 <spidey> yea well i'm used to 80-105max in the summer
08:23 <Lucifer> I drive my car mostly without AC
08:23 <Lucifer> that's what we get here, too
08:23 <spidey> shit
08:23 <spidey> it was ALOT hotter than that down there
08:23 <Lucifer> no, there was just a lot more heat trapped in the atmosphere :)
08:23 <spidey> i stepped out of the truck and thought i was gonna die :(
08:24 <Lucifer> water is a greenhouse gas and all
08:24 <spidey> heh
08:24 <Lucifer> but the temperature, even in south texas, doesn't usually go much over 100 for long stretches
08:24 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
08:25 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 74.7°F (1:25 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).
08:25 <MrBougo> AC?
08:25 <spidey> #weather 38256
08:25 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of Paris, Paris, Tennessee is 68.5°F (1:27 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
08:25 <Lucifer> there it is, 79% relative humidity
08:25 <MrBougo> nvm
08:25 <MrBougo> air conditioning
08:25 <MrBougo> i though AC power
08:25 <MrBougo> t*
08:25 <spidey> 95% humidity here, is that bad?
08:25 <spidey> o.o
08:25 <Lucifer> well, it's relative
08:25 <Lucifer> what's your elevation?
08:25 <spidey> no clue
08:25 <spidey> lol
08:25 <MrBougo> hehe
08:26 <Lucifer> at 100% humidity, the atmosphere has all the water vapor it can hold
08:26 <MrBougo> paris, tennessee
08:26 <MrBougo> you american guys had fun naming your cities
08:26 <Lucifer> so at lower elevations, 80% relative humidity has a lot more water vapor in it than higher elevations with 80% relative humidity
08:26 <spidey> it's named paris for a reason
08:26 <Lucifer> yeah, it's got gay people in it
08:26 <spidey> we have a huge rip off of the eifle tower here
08:26 <GodTodd> we american guys come from european guys mostly :P
08:27 <Lucifer> America was colonized by the people that weren't dumb enough to stay in europe
08:27 <spidey> haha
08:27 <GodTodd> then there's canada...our gay brother
08:27 <GodTodd> :)
08:27 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@34.17-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
08:28 <Bougo> #weather 54204
08:28 <armabot> Bougo: The current temperature in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin is 71.6°F (1:15 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:28 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
08:28 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@12.20-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
08:28 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
08:28 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 76.1°F (1:30 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Steady).
08:30 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@225.30-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
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08:30 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
08:31 <Lucifer> Elevation: 519 feet  <--- is this right?
08:32 <Lucifer> I thought you were in the middle of the appalachians
08:32 <spidey> no
08:32 <spidey> that's east
08:32 <spidey> i'm in west tn
08:32 <MrBougo> #weather 62013
08:32 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in St. Charles, Missouri is 69.8°F (12:54 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:32 <MrBougo> um
08:33 <Lucifer> Elevation: 501 feet  <--- this is austin
08:33 <MrBougo> it's supposed to be Brussels, Illinois
08:33 <Lucifer> so maybe you're just being a wuss about texas heat
08:33 <Lucifer> and it's not actually that much hotter here :)
08:33 <MrBougo> #help zip
08:33 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zip".
08:33 <MrBougo> #help zipcode
08:33 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zipcode".
08:33 <GodTodd> #weather brussels, illinois
08:33 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in St. Charles, Missouri is 69.8°F (12:54 AM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:33 <MrBougo> lol
08:33 <GodTodd> #help zipinfo
08:33 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: There is no command "zipinfo".
08:33 <GodTodd> #zipinfo
08:34 <GodTodd> he doesn't have that plugin loaded?
08:34 <spidey> well
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:34 <MrBougo> #help zipinfo
08:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "zipinfo".
08:34 <Lucifer> s of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 141 people, 60 households, and 40 families residing in the village.
08:35 <Lucifer> it may not be big enough to have a weather station, and the one in St Charles is the closest
08:35 <MrBougo> #help http
08:35 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "http".
08:36 <MrBougo> #list http
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'http' is not a valid plugin.
08:36 <Lucifer> #send MrBougo a manual
08:36 <armabot> I have sent a manual to MrBougo, it should arrive shortly.
08:36 <MrBougo> #cyborg
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: M.R.B.O.U.G.O.: Mechanical Robotic Being Optimized for Ultimate Gratification and Observation
08:36 <MrBougo> #list www
08:36 <Lucifer> he's a vibrator
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'www' is not a valid plugin.
08:36 <MrBougo> #list
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
08:36 <MrBougo> gee
08:36 <MrBougo> #list web
08:36 <armabot> MrBougo: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
08:36 <MrBougo> crap
08:36 <Lucifer> #netcraft
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer: (netcraft <hostname|ip>) -- Returns Netcraft.com's determination of what operating system and webserver is running on the host given.
08:36 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.davefancella.com
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.davefancella.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:38:57 GMT
08:37 <MrBougo> hehe
08:37 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.msn.com
08:37 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.msn.com
08:37 <MrBougo> lol
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.msn.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 00:21:54 GMT
08:37 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.msn.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 00:21:54 GMT
08:37 <MrBougo> also wondering?
08:37 <MrBougo> ow
08:37 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.ebay.com
08:37 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.yahoo.com
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.ebay.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows 2000 when last queried at 6-Oct-2007 06:18:32 GMT
08:37 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.yahoo.com was running unknown on FreeBSD when last queried at 5-Oct-2007 07:11:18 GMT
08:38 <MrBougo> way to spot crappy site
08:38 <MrBougo> s
08:38 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.di.fm
08:38 <Lucifer> yahoo's run on freebsd for a lon time
08:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:38 <MrBougo> it's an exception then
08:38 <Lucifer> #netcraft www.armagetronad.net
08:38 <armabot> Lucifer: http://www.armagetronad.net was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:40:35 GMT
08:38 <MrBougo> hehe for sure
08:38 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.sf.net
08:38 <spidey> #netcraft fallin-angels.org
08:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:38 <armabot> spidey: http://fallin-angels.org was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:41:00 GMT
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://www.armagetronad.net/
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Armagetron Advanced :: a Tron clone in 3D
08:39 <MrBougo> #netcraft sourceforge.net
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://sourceforge.net was running lighttpd on Linux when last queried at 3-Oct-2007 07:45:51 GMT
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Freenode #armagetron logs
08:39 <GodTodd> #title http://www.davefancella.com/
08:39 <armabot> GodTodd: Dave Fancella
08:39 <MrBougo> #netcraft www.sony.com
08:39 <Lucifer> #title http://www.toddmacy.com/
08:39 <GodTodd> #title http://fallin-angels.org
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://www.sony.com was running Apache on unknown when last queried at 4-Oct-2007 19:41:16 GMT
08:39 <armabot> Lucifer: Todd Macy
08:39 <armabot> GodTodd: Fallin-Angels
08:39 <MrBougo> #title sony.com
08:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'sony.com' is not a valid http url.
08:40 <MrBougo> #title http://sony.com
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: Sony.com Geo-Filter DE
08:40 <MrBougo> hehe
08:40 <Lucifer> #title http://www.msn.com
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: MSN.com
08:40 <Lucifer> #list web
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://freegonzo.com
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Free Gonzo
08:40 <Lucifer> #doctype http://www.msn.com/
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
08:40 <MrBougo> #title http://blankpage.com
08:40 <MrBougo> random?
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: web design
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.gov
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome to the White House
08:40 <MrBougo> aha
08:40 <Lucifer> #title http://www.whitehouse.com/
08:40 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.com
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer: Election 2008 - Candidate Information At Whitehouse.com
08:40 <armabot> GodTodd: Election 2008 - Candidate Information At Whitehouse.com
08:40 <GodTodd> hahaha
08:40 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://whitehouse.com
08:41 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://whitehouse.gov
08:41 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitehouse.net
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: http://whitehouse.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 3-Oct-2007 04:57:49 GMT
08:41 <MrBougo> I KNEW IT
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome To The White House
08:41 <MrBougo> suckas xD
08:41 <Lucifer> #title http://www.belgium.gov
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer: Unknown host.
08:41 <MrBougo> #title http://whitehouse.info
08:41 <GodTodd> #title http://www.microsoft.com
08:41 <Lucifer> #netcraft http://www.belgium.gov
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: Whitehouse.info
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4096 bytes.
08:41 <Lucifer> awww
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer: No results found for http://www.belgium.gov.
08:41 <GodTodd> #netcraft http://www.microsoft.com
08:41 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://brucity.be
08:41 <armabot> GodTodd: timed out
08:41 <armabot> MrBougo: No results found for http://brucity.be.
08:42 <GodTodd> heh
08:42 <GodTodd> #netcraft http://support.microsoft.com
08:42 <MrBougo> #netcraft http://belgium.be
08:42 <armabot> GodTodd: http://support.microsoft.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 6-Oct-2007 07:15:22 GMT
08:42 <armabot> MrBougo: http://belgium.be was running Netscape-Enterprise on unknown when last queried at 7-Oct-2007 06:44:24 GMT
08:42 <MrBougo> wtf?
08:42 <GodTodd> damn...was hoping they was running linux ;)
08:42 <Lucifer> the porn site at whitehouse.com is gone?
08:42 <MrBougo> lol?
08:42 <GodTodd> seems so
08:43 <GodTodd> #title http://www.whitechicksblackdicks.com
08:43 <armabot> GodTodd: WhiteChicksBlackDicks.Com - Interracial Sex Porn at its Most Hardcore...!
08:43 <Lucifer> http://www.ironhymen.com/
08:43 <GodTodd> haha it's real! :)
08:43 <Lucifer> #title http://www.girlsfuckingdogs.com/
08:43 <MrBougo> rofl
08:43 <armabot> Lucifer: Teen Flesh
08:43 <Lucifer> porn is so weird
08:43 <GodTodd> bahahahaa
08:43 <MrBougo> how to browse porn without looking at it
08:44 <GodTodd> #title http://www.farmgirls.com
08:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome to www.farmgiirls.com
08:44 <MrBougo> #title com.com
08:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: 'com.com' is not a valid http url.
08:44 <MrBougo> #title http://com.com
08:44 <Lucifer> #title http://www.ironhymen.org/
08:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Tech product reviews for cell phones, computers, MP3 players - CNET
08:44 <armabot> Lucifer: IRON HYMEN: Abstinence-Only Program for Girls
08:44 <GodTodd> #title http://www.pussyfart.com
08:44 <MrBougo> wth lol
08:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Pussyfart.com
08:44 <MrBougo> omg
08:44 <GodTodd> hahahahaha
08:44 <MrBougo> it exists?
08:44  * MrBougo freaks out
08:44 <GodTodd> apparently
08:45 <GodTodd> #title http://www.cumfarters.com
08:45 <armabot> GodTodd: Hardcore reality anal cumshots. Tight cum dripping ass holes. - CumFarters.com
08:45 <GodTodd> bahahaha
08:45 <Lucifer>  Boy privates are often said to resemble hot dogs, although if you ask me, the ones I've seen always called to mind something like those cute little Austrian cocktail weenies they sell 8 to a can.
08:45 <MrBougo> #title http://porngoogle.com
08:45 <armabot> MrBougo: Unknown host.
08:45 <MrBougo> bah
08:45 <MrBougo> Lucifer: wtf?
08:45 <MrBougo> where the hell did that come from
08:45 <Lucifer> http://www.ironhymen.com/boysprivates.asp
08:45 <GodTodd> i better stop...this is getting more and more disturbing :/
08:45 <MrBougo> bah, i wont click
08:46 <MrBougo> GodTodd: you dont need a search engine to get pr0n
08:46 <MrBougo> that's the conclusion
08:46 <Lucifer>  The stuff that comes out of boys every time they use you has as many calories as seven whole pints of Häagen-Dazs. That's why all the girls who do "it" always get so fat and ugly and have that ulcerated skin that screams to everyone in church, "I am an insatiable slut!"
08:46 <GodTodd> #title http://www.asslickers.com
08:46 <armabot> GodTodd: asslickers.com
08:46 <GodTodd> #title http://www.shiteaters.com
08:46 <armabot> GodTodd: Shiteaters.com - Die besten Informationen zum Thema Scat.
08:47 <MrBougo> wtf
08:47 <MrBougo> so its an info site about scat
08:47 <GodTodd> #title http://www.pissdrinkers.com
08:47 <armabot> GodTodd: pissdrinkers.com
08:47 <MrBougo> this is getting gross
08:47 <GodTodd> getting?
08:47 <MrBougo> it is
08:47 <GodTodd> it's way past gross, man :)
08:47 <MrBougo> lol
08:47 <MrBougo> indeed
08:48 <MrBougo> cant tell
08:48 <MrBougo> i clean up the history at each link
08:48 <GodTodd> Lucifer: you found another luke-jr site, or what?
08:48 <MrBougo> so i dont click by accident
08:48 <Lucifer> it's a satire site
08:48 <GodTodd> ah
08:48 <GodTodd> ok
08:48 <GodTodd> :)
08:48 <MrBougo> hope so :p
08:48 <MrBougo> if you dont dare clicking, check wiki
08:48 <GodTodd> #title http://www.fuckmywife.com
08:48 <armabot> GodTodd: Welcome To Please Bang My Wife!
08:48 <MrBougo> i dont dare
08:49 <MrBougo> lol
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.fuckmyhusband.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: Hot XXX! Hardcore Adult Content!
08:49 <Lucifer> http://www.sexisforfags.com/
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.exploitedteens.com
08:49 <MrBougo> #title http://wideopen.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: ExploitedTeens.com Exclusive Amateur Porn!
08:49 <armabot> MrBougo: Red Hat Magazine | Will open source change Canada? Democratizing sustainable housing in Canada (part 2)
08:49 <MrBougo> Red Hat Magazine?
08:49 <MrBougo> wtf :p
08:49 <MrBougo> this must be a joke
08:49 <GodTodd> #title http://www.sexisforfags.com
08:49 <armabot> GodTodd: Sex is for FAGS! - Abstinence-Only Program for Boys
08:50 <GodTodd> haha
08:50 <MrBougo> aha?
08:50 <MrBougo> is this the same as ironhymen?
08:50 <GodTodd> no
08:50 <GodTodd> it's for boys
08:50 <GodTodd> :)
08:50 <MrBougo> the title looks similar
08:50 <MrBougo> #title http://3dsex.com
08:50 <armabot> MrBougo: This domain is Available to Purchase!
08:50 <MrBougo> xD
08:51 <MrBougo> why doesnt it work with me
08:51 <Lucifer> Girls' vaginas are just like venus flytraps: multi-fanged jaws waiting for your tasty bits to slither into their poisonous quicksand. So no matter how much it seems to hurt not to find solace in sticky backseat groping sessions, don't give in to temptation.
08:51 <MrBougo> haha
08:51 <Lucifer> I need to go wake my wife up now
08:51 <MrBougo> to show her your new fav website?
08:52 <Lucifer> Premarital sex isn't worth it! You can catch AIDS, or cancer, or testicle weevils, or a bad body image or rickets.
08:52 <Lucifer> You know what IS worth it? Making love to Jesus. Because you can't knock Him up and He'll never ask what you're thinking – cuz He already knows!
08:52 <MrBougo> haha
08:53 <MrBougo> #title http://allyourbasearebelongtous.com
08:53 <armabot> MrBougo: All Your Base Are Belong To Us
08:53 <MrBougo> o rly?
08:56 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I still don't know how to make forts
08:56 <Lucifer> eh?  I told you, didn't I?  ;)
08:56 <Lucifer> (I know, it was after that game)
08:57 <Lucifer> you put an engineer or a worker on the square you want a fort, and you press "F"
08:57 <Lucifer> they build a fort
08:57 <Lucifer> engineers take 2 turns, workers take 4-5
08:57 <Lucifer> you have to have masonry
08:57 <Lucifer> pottery gives you workers, but they can't build forts unless you have masonry
08:58 <Lucifer> fort gives the same defensive bonus as city walls, and units fortified in a fort recover their health faster than units not in a fort
08:58 <Lucifer> now, if only a city built on a fort automatically had city walls.....  ;)
08:59 <Lucifer> also, I think there's an option to make it so that if a unit loses in a fort, it doesn't take out the whole stack
08:59 <Lucifer> but I don't think we normally play with that option
08:59 <Lucifer> wait a minute, if you don't know how to build forts, why do you always set wtowervision to a high number?
08:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer: global warming got to 3
09:02 <luke-jr> can the roomba do stairs?
09:02 <Lucifer> no
09:02 <Lucifer> but it has a mechanism to avoid falling down stairs
09:02 <spidey> you think i could compile a windows executable in wine?
09:02 <luke-jr> spidey: BTW, make sure you have kqemu installed :þ
09:02 <Lucifer> spidey: yes
09:02 <spidey> awesome
09:02 <spidey> even if it uses DX?
09:02 <Lucifer> spidey: if wine will run the compiler package, it'll build a windows executable just fine
09:03 <Lucifer> yes, even if it uses DX
09:03 <spidey> the only problem i ran into on linux while cross compiling was dsound.h and dinput.h
09:03 <Lucifer> so long as you have the right development libraries....
09:03 <spidey> dx sdk for windows
09:03 <Lucifer> mingw doesn't have those?
09:03 <spidey> not sure
09:03 <spidey> i have mingw installed
09:03 <Lucifer> some people have been able to cross-compile from linus to windows with dx stuff
09:04 <spidey> i have mingw32 mingw32-binutils and mingw32-runtime
09:04 <spidey> installed
09:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer: vanhayes does tower vision, not me
09:07 <luke-jr> spidey: you can compile a Linux executable with WINE
09:07 <spidey> i don't need a linux executable
09:07 <spidey> that compiles fine
09:07 <luke-jr> spidey: so download the DX SDK for Windows and install it in the crosscompile env
09:08 <spidey> the whoa? o.o
09:08 <luke-jr> …
09:08 <luke-jr> it's just a bunch of headers and libs
09:09 <luke-jr> maybe docs
09:11 <spidey> well
09:11 <spidey> there's a mingw32-directx
09:11 <spidey> but i can only find freebsd ports =/
09:11 <Lucifer> heh
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09:13 <luke-jr> spidey: link
09:13 <spidey> ?
09:13 <spidey> debian.org hosts a freebsd-cvs o.o
09:14 <spidey> luke-jr: wtf?
09:14 <spidey> when i hover over teamspeak with my mouse
09:14 <luke-jr> …
09:14 <spidey> the pointer turns into a circle with a X in them iddle
09:14 <luke-jr> killall teamspeak
09:14 <spidey> y
09:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what you think of $65 for a used Roomba?
09:16 <luke-jr> spidey: cuz it sucks
09:21 <spidey> u
09:22 <spidey> can i install freebsd packages? o.O
09:22 <spidey> kinda like the rpm thingy for ubuntu
09:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr: good deal if it's in good shape?  ;)
09:23 <Lucifer> there's a spinner on the bottom that's supposed to sweep the corners so they can be vacuumed
09:23 <Lucifer> without that, the roomba is nearly worthless, because vacuuming around the edges is the longest most time-consuming part of the job
09:24 <spidey> luke stop changing my icons
09:25 <spidey> mouse images*
09:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: "This system is pre-owned and in great operating condition.  Comes with battery, charger, Virtual Wall Controller and manual.  Also comes in original box."
09:25 <luke-jr> spidey: retard
09:25 <luke-jr> haha, someone on Craig's List wants $250 for a "BRAND NEW" Roomba at their garage sale
09:25 <Lucifer> if it's in good shape, then it's worth it
09:25 <spidey> why am i a retard?
09:25 <Lucifer> hell, we spent $80 just to decide if the thing was a worthwhile vacuum
09:26 <luke-jr> spidey: because you can't figure out why you're a retard ☺
09:28 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I offered $40 (+$15 s/h) for it :þ
09:28 <luke-jr> we really don't *need* it, and no jobs atm, so… ;)
09:29 <spidey> o.o
09:29 <luke-jr> haha, greylisting can produce odd results
09:29 <luke-jr> I got my 3 ebay emails out of order
09:29 <luke-jr> cutting spam from 500 to 32 is worth it
09:30 <luke-jr> (per 100,000 seconds)
09:30 <Lucifer> no jobs?
09:31 <luke-jr> well, nothing long term anyway
09:31 <luke-jr> not sure how long the project I'm starting Mon will be
09:31 <luke-jr> but need to be careful where we spend $
10:10 <spidey> now
10:10 <spidey> need to compile a mac binary xD
10:11 <spidey> i extracted the freebsd package and moved the headers to mingw32/include/ and the client compiled fine
10:15 <luke-jr> good luck
10:17 <spidey> well
10:17 <spidey> widnows compile worked
10:17 <spidey> finally....i'ma try a cross compiler for mac
10:20 <MrBougo> http://planetnexuiz.com/ladder/index.php?p=Matchdetails&id=1084
10:20 <MrBougo> wee, i suck
10:20 <MrBougo> :p
10:21 <MrBougo> ok, i'm out
10:21 <MrBougo> bye all
10:21 <wrtlprnft> cya
10:21 <MrBougo> cya idle guy
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10:21 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy i didn't record anything
10:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <spidey> http://pastebin.ca/728708
10:36 <spidey> this is why i hate rpm...
10:36 <spidey> so
10:36 <spidey> any other way i can extract a rpm? =/
10:37 <wrtlprnft> say man rpm?
10:37 <spidey> ?
10:37 <wrtlprnft> and search for something like “extract”
10:42 <spidey> turns out ark can extract rpm's
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11:07 <luke-jr> spidey: what cross compiler for mac? :þ
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11:21 <luke-jr> spidey: Lucifer: civ?
11:21 <Lucifer> you want to get nuked again?!?!?
11:24 <luke-jr> ☺_
11:24 <luke-jr> assuming I don't remove Manhattan ;)
11:25 <luke-jr> and assuming I miss the part where it says Manhattan is built
11:26 <luke-jr> I had a ton of cash
11:26 <luke-jr> if I had noticed, I would have beat you to it
11:30 <Lucifer> small window, it took 3 turns from the time I started to when it was finished
11:30 <Lucifer> first nuke was done 3 turns later
11:30 <Lucifer> had 4 nukes 2 turns after that
11:30 <Lucifer> think you could build manhattan's from scratch and 4 nukes in 8 turns?
11:42 <luke-jr> 1 turn < 3 turns
11:42 <luke-jr> I had enough cash to buy at least 3 nukes outright
11:43 <luke-jr> which is fairly odd since usually cash is where I'm short
11:44 <luke-jr> that game, lack of funds made me decide *which* cities to put Barracks III in
11:44 <luke-jr> and also why there were only 3 or 4 factories
11:44 <luke-jr> so…
11:44 <luke-jr> playin?
11:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer:
11:47 <Lucifer> you missed the point, but ok
11:47 <luke-jr> hachi.dashjr.org 5555
11:47 <Lucifer> (being able to build 4 nukes in about 3-4 turns > cash to build 3)
11:47 <Lucifer> er, the ok wasn't "ok I'll play"
11:47 <Lucifer> kind busy right now
11:47 <luke-jr> aww
11:51 <DrJoeTron> i dont have it installed luke-jr
11:51 <luke-jr> lame
11:52 <DrJoeTron> no u
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12:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer: civ needs a "I claim this" that works like 2.0 borders
12:09 <luke-jr> eg, nothing stops settling on it, but it's clearly marked as such and has reputation effects
12:20 <spidey> um
12:21 <spidey> 2.0 you have to fort a unit before you can settle it
12:21 <spidey> i'ma wrap freeciv with aoss this time
12:21 <spidey> tired of hearing those stupid kde sounds
12:31 <luke-jr> wtf?
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12:50 <Lucifer> 2.1 you mean, I think
12:50 <Lucifer> so you can claim a spot by building a fortress and forting a unit
12:50 <Lucifer> over time your border will grow around the spot
12:51 <Lucifer> that's in 2.1 though, not 2.0
12:51 <Lucifer> since 2.1 has reached critical mass for bugs, I'm not interested in it anymore
12:51 <epsy> congrats, Lucifer :)
12:51 <epsy> (the nick :P)
12:52 <Lucifer> :)
12:52 <Lucifer> I guessed that ;)
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12:55 <luke-jr> i c
12:55 <Lucifer> #title http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/306680.html
12:55 <armabot> Lucifer: www.kansascity.com | 10/06/2007 | Mangino has turned KU into a threat to win Big 12 North
12:55 <Lucifer> it's gotta suck having a name like Mangino
12:55 <luke-jr> lol
12:56 <Lucifer> it's only one letter away from Mangina
13:01 <luke-jr> so?
13:05 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhU
13:05 <luke-jr> NO
13:12 <spidey> y
13:14 <luke-jr> Flash
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13:54 <Lucifer> I want to build a musical instrument of some sort
13:57 <luke-jr> …
13:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wanna join us?
13:58 <luke-jr> 650 BC
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14:51 <noob7> Lucifer: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cookie-Tin-Banjo-Part-1--Make-a-Tuning-Peg-Hole-R/
14:56 <Lucifer> heh, couldn't find the rest of the guide, but that's a little more involved than I was thinking
14:57 <Lucifer> basically, I've got a section of 1 inch diameter douglas fir and I want to do something with it
14:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer: come play civ
14:57 <Lucifer> no
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15:33 <flex> eddiefantastic?
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15:57 <luke-jr> wow
15:57 <luke-jr> that was classic
15:57 <luke-jr> an op was just giving a lecture on staying on topic in #kde
15:57 <luke-jr> and some n00b joined and he asked the noob if he had a question
15:57 <luke-jr> so the n00b asks about Fedora 7 installing XD
16:02 <Lucifer> did he get kicked?
16:03 <luke-jr> no
16:04 <luke-jr> told to go to #fedora
16:11 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192233#192233
16:11 <epsy> any recruiter here ?
16:11 <epsy> :P
16:14 <epsy> ROFL
16:14 <epsy> http://durkas.info/afl/schedule.php
16:14 <epsy> 10/14  	Kill or Die  	vs  	Tronic Donkeys  	 	|×|.Fortress.Server
16:15 <epsy> ♫ what are we going to do ? ♫
16:16 <spidey> hm
16:16 <spidey> Lucifer: you should have joined this gmae
16:16 <spidey> game
16:17 <Lucifer> did you nuke him again?
16:17 <spidey> no
16:17 <spidey> i wiped the floor with the swiss's ass tho
16:17 <epsy> #lastseen luzifer
16:17 <armabot> epsy: Luzifer has last been seen on Fortress Café 18 hours 27 minutes ago.
16:17 <epsy> mh
16:17 <luke-jr> after you finally got out from under them pwning you
16:17 <spidey> no
16:17 <spidey> i joined late
16:17 <spidey> so they was pwning my AI anways
16:17 <luke-jr> :þ
16:18 <spidey> if i'd started with this
16:18 <spidey> the ai would have never even took that 1 city they did :)
16:19 <spidey> besides
16:19 <luke-jr> last time you were scared
16:19 <spidey> i've givin you over 3.8k gold
16:19 <luke-jr> fyi, this is the 15 AI in size 5 config
16:19 <spidey> because you're negative due to not being able to support a war
16:19 <spidey> AND you have A.Smiths
16:19 <spidey> so barricks is no excuse XD
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16:20 <luke-jr> factories and universities
16:20 <luke-jr> my expenses aren't *too* much
16:20 <luke-jr> but I'm making like 10 gold
16:20 <Lucifer> luke doesn't have barracks?
16:20 <spidey> i'm making 105 without a single city on coinage
16:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer: barracks are free with A.Smith
16:21 <spidey> Lucifer: dunno
16:21 <Lucifer> so?
16:21 <Lucifer> I never build a smith.....
16:21 <luke-jr> so every city has barracks
16:21 <spidey> i'm just saying he can't blame his negative income on 1gold upgrades
16:21 <Lucifer> how can you be broke and have adam smith's?
16:21 <spidey> haha
16:21 <Lucifer> that's like get rich in civ wonder
16:21 <spidey> i always make atleast 700gold/turn
16:21 <spidey> with a smiths
16:22 <Lucifer> I believe it, I usually build it when I'm playing against the ais
16:22 <Lucifer> if only to prevent them from having it
16:22 <spidey> heh
16:22 <Lucifer> that's how you get to where you run 20% taxes and 80% science
16:22 <spidey> you go for production strength
16:22 <Lucifer> and still be able to afford barracks and libraries and shit
16:22 <spidey> i go for economic strength
16:22 <Lucifer> well yeah.  :)
16:23 <spidey> if we could find a way to successfully combine our tatics
16:23 <Lucifer> after I figured out that some cities are best set at max science and stuck on coinage, everything fell into place :)
16:23 <spidey> we'd be like gods
16:23 <Lucifer> heh
16:23 <Lucifer> I think it would take the combined might of everyone here to beat us when we ally
16:23 <spidey> yea
16:24 <spidey> maybe even then we'd still win
16:24 <Lucifer> hard to say, conquering luke is a pyrrhic victory
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16:24 <spidey> lol
16:24 <Lucifer> you go broke conquering him, where you normally get rich conquering other people
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16:25 <spidey> rofl
16:25 <Lucifer> so there's incentive to nuke, when you think about it :)
16:25 <spidey> yea
16:25 <spidey> wait
16:25 <spidey> wtf
16:25 <Lucifer> cities are going to be worthless when you take them, might as well save as many shields as possible taking them
16:25 <spidey> luke, as long as you've been playing this
16:25 <spidey> how can you not be better than you are?
16:26 <Lucifer> hey, don't beat him up too much, he's as good as any ai
16:26 <spidey> ...
16:26 <Lucifer> I think he's too narrowly focused on short-term gains
16:26 <Lucifer> that's why he doesn't build many/any factories, for example
16:27 <Lucifer> I've noticed he doesn't have many engineers either, and the ones he does have are almost always doing weird things like building land bridges and shit
16:27 <Lucifer> and he builds a pissload of cities
16:27 <Lucifer> kinda scary, really
16:28 <spidey> lol
16:28 <Lucifer> just like an ai, you have to invade him sooner or later or he'll start building cities in your own territory
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16:29 <Lucifer> it probably has something to do with him never playing sid meier's
16:29 <Lucifer> because in sid meier's, you *had* to develop your cities or you couldn't win at all
16:29 <Lucifer> not so in freeciv, in freeciv you can just build a buttload of cities and still have a decent shot at winning
16:29 <spidey> probbly
16:29 <spidey> probably
16:29 <spidey> civ1-3 got boring
16:30 <spidey> so i used the little cheats option at the top
16:30 <spidey> rofl
16:30 <Lucifer> heh
16:30 <Lucifer> I never played civ 3, and I didn't play enough civ 2 to be really good at it
16:30 <Lucifer> you might have noticed early on in freeciv I tried to just build like 5 cities and kept getting pwned by the ais
16:30 <Lucifer> that's civ 1 style playing :)
16:31 <Lucifer> I still don't like building my own cities past 12-15 cities, though
16:31 <Lucifer> I'd really rather take someone else's, where they've already built the railroads and irrigation and shit
16:32 <Lucifer> lately I've been trying to start warring as soon as I build factories, because that can be started a couple of hours into the game
16:32 <Lucifer> anyway, yeah, keep your cities around 5 population points and you can survive nuclear winter :)
16:32 <Lucifer> global warming, too
16:33 <Lucifer> and still get in the neighborhood of 40-60 shields (after mfg plants, of course)
16:33 <spidey> heh
16:33 <spidey> well
16:33 <spidey> my tatic is
16:33 <spidey> 8 point cities
16:33 <spidey> when i get aquaduct
16:33 <spidey> 12 point cities
16:33 <spidey> 1 12 point city can have the production a size 7 with a factory can
16:33 <Lucifer> there's an advantage to having lare cities, that's for sure
16:33 <spidey> so it's cheaper in the long run
16:34 <Lucifer> well, you can also get to a place where your city puts out a howitzer every turn
16:34 <Lucifer> that's nice :)
16:34 <spidey> i've had 12 point cities with over 100 productions
16:34 <Lucifer> I think my highest production city was around 125, but it was so long ago I could be misremembering it
16:34 <Lucifer> it was a 15 point city, iirc, in civ 1
16:35 <spidey> o.o
16:35 <spidey> in civ 3
16:35 <spidey> i had a 40 point city
16:35 <Lucifer> these days I aim for 40-60, and am happy with that
16:35 <spidey> CHEATS FTW
16:35 <spidey> one time i did a 100 point city
16:35 <spidey> it's all about the click and checking in civ 3, man
16:35 <spidey> xD
16:35 <Lucifer> there's a problem with pollution when you pass 40 shields
16:35 <spidey> well
16:36 <spidey> 40 sheilds can be contained
16:36 <Lucifer> an *unsolvable* problem with it, at that
16:36 <Lucifer> maybe it's 60
16:36 <spidey> after 70 sheilds
16:36 <spidey> you can't fix it
16:36 <Lucifer> there's a point where recycling center and hydro plants stop working
16:36 <spidey> transit
16:36 <spidey> helps
16:36 <Lucifer> or rather, they keep working, because without them you'd be covered in shit every turn
16:36 <spidey> haha
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16:37 <Lucifer> well, staying at 40-60 and building hydro plants (hoover dam) gives good production
16:37 <Lucifer> most of the units you want to build can be built in 3-4 turns, some of them in less
16:38 <Lucifer> I think that gives you howitzers every 2 turns, but you have to be in the upper range for that
16:38 <spidey> i lov fanatics
16:38 <spidey> i can spit them out 1 a turn
16:38 <Lucifer> if you need to build bombers, that works, but you have to have 5 cities or so on it to get enough out to be useful
16:38 <spidey> in every city usually
16:38 <Lucifer> but mfg plants for bombers and battleships (and space ship components)
16:39 <spidey> yea
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16:39 <spidey> i'ma take a shower
16:39 <spidey> brb in about 20
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16:58 <epsy> #sd bistro
16:58 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “bistro” at the moment, sorry.
16:58 <epsy> oh
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17:03 <spidey> back
17:06 <Lucifer> front
17:06 <Lucifer> yes, fanatic are cool because luke can't kill them
17:06 <Lucifer> he's not a true enough believer
17:07 <spidey> hhaa
17:07 <spidey> that actually made me *lol*
17:08 <spidey> that reminded me of when he went to #freeciv and was like "how do i kill fanatics?!"
17:08 <spidey> all it was, was a bunch of fanatics on a mountain with a fort
17:08 <spidey> he made every fanatic i put in that for elite
17:08 <spidey> it was so awesome
17:08 <spidey> s/for/fort
17:11 <spidey> wow
17:11 <spidey> #ubuntu has 1163 people in it
17:11 <spidey> o.o
17:15 <wrtlprnft> 1162 now
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17:15 <wrtlprnft> the interesting thing is that they can cope without an op
17:16 <wrtlprnft> gentoo is almost as big and actually relevant to me :)
17:18 <spidey> lol
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17:40 <Lucifer> we have 1150 people here
17:40 <Lucifer> wait a minute, nvm, that's my ping
17:42 <Lucifer> #send DrJoeTron some vicodin
17:42 <armabot> I have sent some vicodin to DrJoeTron, it should arrive shortly.
17:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: that would make a lot of idlers
17:47 <wrtlprnft> probably at any given point in time 300 of them would be bots, 800 would always be idle, 47 would be idle and 3 would be chatting
17:49 <spidey> LOL
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20:28 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ping
20:29 <epsy> wrtlprnft, café jumps :/
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--- Log opened Sun Oct 07 21:20:44 2007
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21:20 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 27 normal]
21:20 <flex> ^^^
21:20 <epsy> wrtlprnft, huhu?
21:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 34 secs
21:24 <wrtlprnft> meh, managed to kill my router
21:25 <flex> wrtlprnft come to the match?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> when? where? what?
21:26 <flex> urm at x server
21:26 <flex> rico wont be comign so we need an admin
21:26 <flex> v td?
21:26 <flex> x v td
21:31 <epsy> wrtlprnft, it's now
21:34 <wrtlprnft> argh, can't play
21:34 <wrtlprnft> my wlan is all messed up
21:35 <flex> what about admining?
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21:52 <flex> MaZuffeR here?
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22:26 <GodTodd> well...we took the plunge: http://store.irobot.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2661501 :)
22:35 <DrJoeTron> you better feed it M&M's
22:35 <DrJoeTron> or it gets mad
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23:01 <flex> coool robot!
23:01 <flex> is there one for normal cleaning :P
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23:16 <flex> #lastseen Oliver
23:16 <armabot> flex: Oliver has last been seen on Bugfarm Elimination Sumo 2 minutes ago.
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Log from 2007-10-08:
--- Day changed Mon Oct 08 2007
01:08 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: you sure it's m&ms and not reese's pieces?
01:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i remember the joke :I
01:15 <GodTodd> what good are ya then? :P
01:54 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:54 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 78.4°F (6:53 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 28.92 in 979.2 hPa (Rising).
02:05 <noob7> funnyn that ghableska lives in Des Moines, I spent 10 months in that part of Iowa in 2001/2002
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03:08 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
03:08 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 78.8°F (7:52 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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03:38 <spidey> #weather 38256
03:38 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of Paris, Paris, Tennessee is 72.5°F (8:40 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
03:51 <spidey> how would i include files into a svn diff >
03:51 <spidey> ?
03:53 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Shrunk
03:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
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03:54 <nowimproved> how do i clear the input configuration?
03:54 <nowimproved> to set it to unbound for turn left
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04:07 <nowimproved> how do i clear the input configuration?
04:07 <nowimproved> to set it to unbound for turn left
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04:30 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 74.5°F (9:28 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Rising).
04:33 <DrJoeTron> nowimproved are yous till there?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> just hit the button again when you're binding shit again
04:33 <DrJoeTron> it will remove it
04:34 <GodTodd> if your shit is binding you're probably eating too much cheese
04:39 <nowimproved> nope does not work but o well
04:40 <nowimproved> and the problem i am facing now is the camera is really dissy
04:40 <nowimproved> sometimes when i play
04:40 <nowimproved> it did not used to be like that
04:40 <nowimproved> but i removed my old settings when i upgraded
04:42 <DrJoeTron> i dont seee how it it wouldnt work
04:42 <DrJoeTron> you could delete user.cfg
04:42 <DrJoeTron> that fixes everything
04:44 <nowimproved> hmm.. o well
04:44 <nowimproved> i just want to fix the camera being weird
04:44 <nowimproved> i found my old settings anyway
04:44 <nowimproved> hopefully it does not mess up with the new version
05:03 <ghableska> #night
05:03 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:14 <tramshed> harhar
05:14 <tramshed> so yeah, Im stupid or something
05:14 <tramshed> whats the regex that specifies the beginning of the line?
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09:03 <luke-jr> ^
09:11 <luke-jr> spidey:
09:13 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why doesn't our incremental reverse search work like BASH?
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10:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: any idea what's wrong with .log.autoupload?
10:46 <luke-jr> [03:46:52] <jha_> coulkd you please be quiet? my #kde always turns green as soon as someone writes something
10:46 <luke-jr> wtf
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11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7359 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php:
11:01 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: distfiles mirrors:
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: hachi is back serving
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Dreamhost mirror
11:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7360 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php: actually, why waste hachis bw when dreamhost has plenty? ;)
11:04 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
11:11 <luke-jr> ./scripts/ai.rb:24: [BUG] Segmentation fault
11:11  * luke-jr mutters
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: feel free to implement it
11:32 <wrtlprnft> it's a problem with the way it's done right now, I didn't find a good way to catch the return key when i implemented it
11:32 <wrtlprnft> just press right or left, then return
11:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: any idea what's wrong with .log.autoupload? ← ?
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14:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why would you need to catch the return key?
14:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: .log.autoupload doesn't seem to be being updated
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15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7361 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: 0!==""
15:20 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/test-0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/test-0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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15:41 <EvanR> whats going on
15:43 <luke-jr> EvanR: not much
15:43 <luke-jr> most people are sleeping I think
15:44 <EvanR> what time is it
15:47 <luke-jr> 8:49 AM here
15:50 <noob7> 4pm here
15:51 <luke-jr> O.o
15:51 <EvanR> luke-jr: hey were in the same time zone
15:51 <EvanR> ive been up all night
15:51 <luke-jr> I've been up since 2
15:51 <EvanR> since 8 last night here
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16:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what's your exact problem with the current ctrl-r in arma?
16:17 <luke-jr> it's not the way BASH works
16:17 <luke-jr> ☺
16:17 <wrtlprnft> well, what's fundamentally different in bash?
16:17 <luke-jr> much easier to just type the start and hit PgUp
16:18 <luke-jr> ls<pgup><pgup><pgup>(that's what I want)<enter>
16:19 <wrtlprnft> well, i use zsh, and it works differently. feel free to implement your keys
16:20 <wrtlprnft> pgup is too far away from the other keys for me, anyways, so i wouldn't use it
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16:24 <luke-jr> :þ
16:24 <luke-jr> figured out the .log.autoupload btw
16:25 <wrtlprnft> wtf IS .log.autoupload?
16:25 <luke-jr> a log of automated uploads
16:25 <wrtlprnft> what do i have to do with it?
16:26 <luke-jr> you've edited the upload script a few times, at least
16:26 <luke-jr> and probably have at least as good an idea of how it works as I do
16:26 <wrtlprnft> you could have told me *what* uploads you meant
16:26 <wrtlprnft> and i never modified that part of the script
16:26 <luke-jr> heh
16:27 <luke-jr> I was looking in the wrong dir ^^
16:27 <luke-jr> go figure why the wrong dir happened to have a file with 1 line in it… :o
16:27 <wrtlprnft> what info does that file contain, anyways? you can extract the username and time from the resource dir...
16:27 <wrtlprnft> err
16:27 <wrtlprnft> …
16:27 <luke-jr> not for anonymous resources
16:27 <luke-jr> actually, it doesn't log the username :o
16:28 <luke-jr> just timestamp, IP, resource, and local filename
16:28 <wrtlprnft> nothing that can't be generated from the access logs and the resource dir, in short
16:29 <luke-jr> local filename can't
16:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7362 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: add logged in username to logfile
16:29 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
16:29 <wrtlprnft> either it's in the URL or it's unimportant because the file is already gone
16:29 <luke-jr> unimportant ☺
16:30 <wrtlprnft> is that a :) or :(?
16:30 <luke-jr> ☺
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the font is way to small
16:30 <luke-jr> : )
16:30 <wrtlprnft> it looks like :-|
16:30 <luke-jr> your font choice :þ
16:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i can increase the size
16:30 <wrtlprnft> but i don't feel like wasting space
16:30 <luke-jr> could look closer too
16:31 <luke-jr> my ☺ and ☹ differ by 4 pixels total
16:33 <Gursikh> that is really hard to see
16:33 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/%3F%20and%20%3F.png
16:33 <Gursikh> and my fontisnt particularly small
16:33 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: your font sucks ☺
16:33 <wrtlprnft> it's great for normal chars
16:34 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot19.png
16:34 <wrtlprnft> boxy
16:35 <luke-jr> :D
16:35 <EvanR> http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3883/reals1ze9.png
16:35 <wrtlprnft> and your font is bigger than mine
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16:36 <luke-jr> my font is bitmap
16:36 <luke-jr> :þ
16:36 <EvanR> luke-jr: what font do you use?
16:36 <luke-jr> Console
16:36 <luke-jr> + luke's modifications
16:37 <EvanR> you use aterm?
16:37 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/%3F%20and%20%3F1.png
16:37 <EvanR> maybe i should look at your screenshot
16:37 <wrtlprnft> dejavu sans mono
16:37 <luke-jr> EvanR: Konversation
16:38 <EvanR> oh.
16:38 <EvanR> im in the process of installing that
16:38 <luke-jr> ☺
16:38 <EvanR> its taking like a week
16:38 <luke-jr> LOL
16:38 <EvanR> i use many computers at once
16:39 <wrtlprnft> trying to compile it on an i368?
16:39 <luke-jr> so?
16:39 <Gursikh> irssi ftw
16:39  * wrtlprnft agrees woth Gursikh 
16:39 <luke-jr> install it on one computer and ssh -X
16:39 <EvanR> thats what im trying to su
16:39 <luke-jr> irssi is teh sux
16:39 <EvanR> to du
16:39 <EvanR> aslkdfj
16:39 <luke-jr> cuz it's glib
16:39 <Gursikh> blasphemer!
16:39 <wrtlprnft> what do i care?
16:40 <wrtlprnft> it works and fits inside a screen session
16:40 <EvanR> i just cant bring my self to navigate to the directory and type make, ive been sitting on configure for while
16:40 <luke-jr> rewrite irssi in Qt and I'll consider it
16:40 <luke-jr> EvanR: emerge konversation
16:40 <wrtlprnft> the entire point of irssi is that it's a console application
16:40 <EvanR> im about to drop kde
16:40 <luke-jr> KDE ♡
16:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so?
16:40 <EvanR> i find myself in Konsole all day
16:40 <luke-jr> Konsole ♡
16:40 <EvanR> i dont think KDE is doing mmuch for me buf taking my memory
16:40 <Gursikh> I've been thinking of switching to wmii
16:41 <luke-jr> EvanR: Konqueror is indispensible
16:41 <EvanR> not really
16:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, writing a console app in qt is sort of pointless
16:41 <EvanR> well for webbrowser
16:41 <EvanR> but i can use konqueror without kde
16:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: only because all console apps should be C or BASH
16:42 <EvanR> or python
16:42 <EvanR> or D
16:42 <EvanR> or ruby
16:42 <EvanR> or perl
16:42 <luke-jr> pbbt
16:42 <wrtlprnft> or brainfuck
16:42 <luke-jr> ruby is a joke
16:42 <luke-jr> ☺
16:42 <EvanR> #!/usr/brainfuck
16:42 <luke-jr> note our map previews are broken YET AGAIN
16:42 <luke-jr> cuz ruby sucks
16:42 <wrtlprnft> cuz yoo suck
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16:43 <luke-jr> or maybe nemo's code is no good
16:43 <luke-jr> pHxT: wtf r u?
16:43 <pHxT> onoz
16:43 <pHxT> luke
16:43 -!- pHxT is now known as digitx
16:43 <luke-jr> i c
16:43 <luke-jr> /ignore digitx
16:43 <digitx> :P
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16:43 <luke-jr> MrBougo: hi
16:43 <luke-jr> beware the digitx
16:43 <EvanR> /say/hmm
16:43 <MrBougo> hello
16:44 <digitx> luke...
16:44 <EvanR> luke-jr: how did you do that
16:44 <MrBougo> why luke
16:44 <luke-jr> EvanR: //ignore digitx
16:44 <EvanR> ah
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16:44 <EvanR> doesnt work
16:44 <luke-jr> MrBougo_laptop: he is HUNGARIAN
16:44 <digitx> :)
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> hehe luke-jr
16:44 <luke-jr> EvanR: cuz irssi sucks ☺
16:44 <digitx> who cares?
16:44 <EvanR> :(
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: it prolly wokrs
16:44 <digitx> luke, u are only noob
16:44 <digitx> :D
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> #google irssi ignore
16:44 <armabot> MrBougo_laptop: Search took 0.11 seconds: cool features of irssi: <http://www.garion.org/irssi/features.php>; Irssi ignore_oc module: <http://www.elho.net/irc/irssi/ignore_oc/>; Python: module irssi: <http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/docs/irssi-python.html>; Archive Registry - The GNU Arch Wiki: <http://www.gnuarch.org/gnuarchwiki/Archive_Registry>; #!/usr/bin/perl # ignore_log.pl (2 more messages)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: /ignore digitix can't work
16:45 <wrtlprnft> because there's no such user digitix 
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> #more
16:45 <armabot> MrBougo_laptop: (ignore_log -- send [some] ignored ...: <http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/ignore_log.pl>; use Irssi ; use Irssi ::Irc; use strict; use vars qw($VERSION % IRSSI ...: <http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/ai.pl>; 常用的 irssi ignore - Everyday Work: <http://blog.seety.org/everydaywork/2005/5/22/331/>; FS#393: "/ ignore !channel all" not working: (1 more message)
16:45 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's why I typed /ignore digitx
16:45 <luke-jr> duh
16:45 <digitx> oh hi wrtlprnft
16:45 <EvanR> ignore works!
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> haha wrtlprnft
16:45 <digitx>  /ignore luke-jr
16:45 <EvanR> type backslash at the beginning of a line doesnt
16:45 <digitx> EvanR, EvanR liar:)
16:45 <EvanR> errrrrrrrr
16:45 <EvanR> forward slash
16:45 <EvanR> im typing it now
16:45 <luke-jr> \/
16:45 <EvanR> ///
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> \\//
16:45 <EvanR> \/
16:45 <digitx> luke, fu
16:46 <EvanR> \\
16:46 <EvanR> \\//
16:46 <EvanR> /\/\
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \v/
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> err
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \V/
16:46 <EvanR> \V/
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> ...the hell???
16:46 <digitx> whataspam
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \\/:///\]-\\>|
16:46 <luke-jr> ╔════╦════╗
16:46 <digitx> luke-jr, bad.. pay.. kaman
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> ok, ima do my physics homework
16:47 <wrtlprnft> /ignore luke-jr MrBougo_laptop digitx EvanR 
16:47 <digitx> whataignore -_-
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> thats stupid
16:47 <digitx> physics?
16:47 <digitx> pf
16:47 <digitx> i'm best
16:47 <luke-jr> pf is BSD
16:47 <luke-jr> wait
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> i have to calculate the speed that the moon would need to be launched on its orbit from the earth
16:47 <luke-jr> I'm ignoring you
16:47 <digitx> luke-jr, stfu pls
16:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:47 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's awesomely stupid
16:48 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's giving me the opportunity to kick digitix
16:48 <digitx> :)
16:48 <digitx> luke-jr, u sux!
16:48 <@MrBougo_laptop> ima kick digitix
16:48 -!- digitix [n=chatzill@61.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
16:48 <luke-jr> hurry up alreayd
16:48 <digitx> who cares
16:48 -!- digitix was kicked from #armagetron by MrBougo_laptop [MrBougo_laptop]
16:48 <digitx> =D
16:48 <wrtlprnft> well, calculate the speed it needs to stay in orbit, then calculate the energy needed to get from the surface to its orbit's radius…
16:48 <digitx> wtffff chatzill@!
16:48 <digitx> suxxx
16:48 <digitx> :D
16:49 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by MrBougo_laptop [so do you]
16:49 <luke-jr> pwnt!
16:49 -!- digitx [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/digitx] has joined #armagetron
16:49 -!- MrBougo_laptop was kicked from #armagetron by MrBougo_laptop [aww, shame]
16:49 <digitx> fu MrBougo_laptop
16:49 -!- MrBougo_laptop [n=MrBougo@61.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
16:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:49 <digitx> -_-
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> i respawned with voice?
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> err i mean
16:49 <luke-jr> who wants an IPv6 subnet?
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> ME!
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> no wait
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> i'd prefer candy
16:49 <luke-jr> …
16:50 <digitx> i want sex with luke-jr girl
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> omfg
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: did you ignore him?
16:50 <digitx> mwuhahahah
16:50 <digitx> :D
16:50 <digitx> at last
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> <digitx> i want sex with luke-jr girl
16:50 <digitx> ignoreeee meee
16:50 <digitx> all ignore meeee
16:50 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:50 <digitx> kaman
16:50 <@MrBougo_laptop> mmh
16:50 <wrtlprnft> you can have a ipv4 subnet:
16:50 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:50 <digitx> wrtlprnft, roxx :)
16:50 <Gursikh> /mode +q digitx ? >_>>
16:50 <digitx> onoz
16:51 <digitx> wtf gursikh ???
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o digitx] by ChanServ
16:51 <@digitx> jhaa suxx
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o digitx] by ChanServ
16:51 <digitx> :D
16:51 <digitx> tell for jha
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv MrBougo_laptop armabot BedMan dsop] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv duudii eddiefantastic EvanR flex] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv freezombie GodTodd Gursikh guru3] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv Jovan15 libervisco Lucifer luke-jr] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv MaZuffeR mkzelda noob13 noob7] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q11cf.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv P4|away paleman pavelo spidey] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv Sticky_ ToddKitchen wrtlprnft z-man-work] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 <+Gursikh> wtf me?
16:51 <@MrBougo_laptop> good so
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v digitx] by ChanServ
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's even better than ban
16:52 <+Gursikh> MrBougo_laptop: you know +q would've just muted him right?
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> really?
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh?
16:52 <+Gursikh> yeah
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> whoopsy
16:52 <+Gursikh> which is why I said
16:52 <+Gursikh> not that I mind being voiced
16:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> thats ban?
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
16:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:52 <+Gursikh> ban with a % = mute
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> need to kick one time, though
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh ok
16:53 <+Gursikh> dont need to kick
16:53 <+Gursikh> he can still join/part
16:53 <@MrBougo_laptop> lets test it out
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv MrBougo_laptop armabot BedMan deja_vu] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv dsop duudii eddiefantastic EvanR] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv flex freezombie GodTodd Gursikh] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv guru3 Jovan15 libervisco Lucifer] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv luke-jr MaZuffeR mkzelda noob13] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv noob7 P4|away paleman pavelo] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv spidey Sticky_ ToddKitchen wrtlprnft] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 <Gursikh> and you probably wanna craft a better one
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v z-man-work] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: hey
16:53 <@MrBougo_laptop> it seems to work
16:54 <@MrBougo_laptop> or he's simulating
16:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:54 <Gursikh> /mode +b %*!*@*/digitx* <-- something like that might be good too
16:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by ChanServ
16:54 <@MrBougo_laptop> Gursikh: what does that do
16:55 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you've just been delegated an IPv6 subnet!
16:55 <+luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2:ff::/64 dev wrtl  metric 1024  mtu 1480 advmss 1420
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> who?????
16:55 <Gursikh> bans anyone who is identified as unaffiliated/digitx
16:55 <Gursikh> mute-bans >_>
16:55 <wrtlprnft> well
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh right Gursikh
16:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't think i'll be able to remember it for very long
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> thats a good thing
16:55 <deja_vu> O.o
16:55 <wrtlprnft> doesn't have much practical use to me
16:56 <Gursikh> then when he changes nicks you can mute-ban his subnet too
16:56 <digitx> man, i can register fakenicks! with unaffiliated!
16:56 <digitx> sry sry
16:56 <digitx> :)
16:56 <@MrBougo_laptop> wee
16:56 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip tunnel add luke mode sit ttl 64 remote local
16:56 <digitx> well, here all lame or wtf? die luke-jr
16:56 <@MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: wtf? :p
16:56 <Gursikh> haha, then you can get some logs of him ban-evading and get him k-lined >_>
16:56 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip -6 route add default via 2002:440d:6de2::1 dev luke
16:57 <EvanR> ahah wait
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> hha Gursikh
16:57 <EvanR> im just now getting this
16:57 <digitx> khalsa ... :)
16:57 <EvanR> luke-jr: is the only ipv6 geek in hre
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: indeed
16:57 <EvanR> hahaha
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> who the hell needs ipv6
16:57 <EvanR> :(
16:57 <Gursikh> isp's
16:57 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip -6 addr add 2002:440d:6de2:ff::1 dev luke
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> brb, gotta do my homework
16:57 <EvanR> games do
16:57 <wrtlprnft> zsh: command not found: ip
16:57 <EvanR> because NAT sucks, and multicast rocks
16:57 <digitx> mrbougo shit for you
16:58 <+luke-jr> digitx: HUNGARY!
16:58 <digitx> who cares?
16:58 <digitx> turkey
16:58 <EvanR> who here works on armagetron
16:58 <wrtlprnft> noone
16:58 <EvanR> :(
16:58 <wrtlprnft> we all just do stupid things :(
16:58 <digitx> yes
16:58 <digitx> exmpl: noob cmds
16:58 <digitx> :D
16:59 <wrtlprnft> in theory luke-jr and me would be developers
16:59 <+luke-jr> EvanR: officially, that would be guru3, Lucifer, wrtlprnft, and z-man-work
16:59 <digitx> luke-jr? nevah
16:59 <EvanR> but wrtlprnft doesnt have time anymore
16:59 <spidey> ..
16:59 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I'm retired, remember? :D
16:59 <+luke-jr> spidey: civ⁇
16:59 <wrtlprnft> well, the current trunk isn't usable for me
16:59 <+luke-jr> nor me
16:59 <wrtlprnft> so development isn't really much fun
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
17:00 <EvanR> wrtlprnft: what do you mean
17:00 <digitx> onot
17:00 <digitx> onozzzz
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@unaffiliated/digitx] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr [luke-jr]
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:00 <MrBougo_laptop> did you do that?
17:00 <+luke-jr> sure did
17:00 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
17:00 <phxt> whata
17:00 <phxt> ....
17:00 <phxt> :D
17:00 <+luke-jr> he was CTCP spamming me
17:00 <phxt> who cares?
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
17:00 <MrBougo_laptop> thats him
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr [luke-jr]
17:01 <Gursikh> now ban *!*@*.broadband.hu
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] by luke-jr
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> hahaha
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> awesome
17:01 <@luke-jr> screw hungary
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:01 <wrtlprnft> err.
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [+oo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
17:01 <EvanR> one time ##linux had a ban on all of sweden
17:01 <@luke-jr> wtf
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> better ban *!*@*.catv.broadband.hu
17:01 <wrtlprnft> can you please revert that .hu ban
17:01 <@luke-jr> wrtlprnft: do we know anyone in hungary?
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> digitx
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> a<w
17:01 <EvanR> lol
17:01 <wrtlprnft> someone might have a question
17:01 <Gursikh> lol
17:01 <@luke-jr> I mean someone who isn't supposed to be banned
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft is right
17:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*phxt*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:02 <wrtlprnft> oh, i know spidey is annoying sometimes
17:02 <@luke-jr> ugh
17:02 <spidey> ?
17:02 <@luke-jr> he's still ctcp spamming me
17:02 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:02 <wrtlprnft> let's ban all americans!
17:02 <EvanR> no
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: request a k-line
17:02 <wrtlprnft> in fact
17:02 <@luke-jr> yeha, but digitx is like the only Hungarian player…
17:02 <wrtlprnft> ban everyone but me.
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> and me
17:02 <spidey> Lucifer: wrtlprnft wants to ban you
17:03 <@luke-jr> LOL
17:03 <spidey> luke-jr: civ in a sec
17:03 <spidey> it's still minimized :P
17:03 <@luke-jr> [10:05:33] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-akill-if-you-dont-stop request to phxt.
17:03 <@MrBougo_laptop> omg
17:03 <phxt> orly bougo ? :)
17:03 <@MrBougo_laptop> definitely request a whatever-line
17:03 <phxt> and kline.. pff .. ahh who cares?
17:03 <phxt> oh cmon
17:03 <phxt> tell for staff
17:03 <phxt> i'm bad :(
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> diigitx, your english seems to have a bit improved
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> i think
17:04 <phxt> who cares?
17:04  * wrtlprnft wonders what's so hard about just ignoring all ctcp requests from hungary…
17:04 <phxt> u understand me, so stfu
17:04 <EvanR> "only hungarian player"? he plays the game?
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> indeed
17:04 <phxt> i dont play armagetron
17:04 <@luke-jr> EvanR: I wonder
17:04 <Gursikh> /ignore ALL phxt ftw?
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: yup he does
17:04 <phxt> yes
17:04 <@luke-jr> um
17:04 <phxt> maybe ignore me
17:04 <@luke-jr> where the heck did digitx come from anyhow?
17:04 <EvanR> phxt: you suck at armagetron?
17:04 <phxt> :D
17:05 <phxt> no.
17:05 <phxt> u want 1v1 with me?
17:05 <phxt> i can own you man
17:05 <EvanR> i think you do actually
17:05 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i've got better things to do.
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by luke-jr
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@unaffiliated/digitx] by luke-jr
17:05 <wrtlprnft> 17:05 Ignoring ALL from #armagetron
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:05 <phxt> evanr... i can own you :)
17:05 <EvanR> not reall
17:06 <phxt> ok, 1v1 .. ? where?
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> or play tremulous?
17:06 <phxt> i can own you there too
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> whatakick ?
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o phxt] by ChanServ
17:06 <@phxt> pf
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o phxt] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> ...
17:06 <EvanR> wtf
17:06 <EvanR> not smart
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+ooo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> cmon lets kick me
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 <Gursikh> ohh me too me too
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 <Gursikh> (for op)
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 <@luke-jr> um
17:07 <@MrBougo_laptop> jesus
17:07 <@luke-jr> wtf do we keep getting op'd
17:07 <phxt> wtf this is kickspam... :D i have autojoin !
17:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop EvanR] by ChanServ
17:07 <MrBougo_laptop> oh yea?
17:07 <phxt> sure
17:07 <+luke-jr> hmm
17:07 <phxt>  MrBougo_laptop hozzáadva a mellőzési listához.
17:07 <phxt> owwwwwww
17:07 <phxt> ignoreed
17:07  * luke-jr peers at wrtlprnft
17:08  * wrtlprnft peers at luke-jr 
17:08 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you're doing it?
17:08 <EvanR> what is k-line
17:08 <phxt> =D
17:08 <EvanR> how does that work
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: network ban
17:08 <phxt> whatanoobbbb???
17:08 <wrtlprnft> that last op was mine
17:08 <EvanR> luke-jr: how do they know his ip
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: …
17:08 <phxt> rofl
17:08 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: i c
17:08 <EvanR> luke-jr: is he not on anon proxy
17:08 <MrBougo_laptop> bah, the silent worked
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: no
17:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: he lives in hungary
17:09 <EvanR> oh
17:09 <phxt> i dont need use nothing
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> what about a hungarian dict on armabot that would kick any hungarian word
17:09 <EvanR> then what is unaffiliated
17:09 <+luke-jr> lol
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: a special cloak
17:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: freenode masking
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> provided by freenode
17:09 <EvanR> it sucks
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> hehe
17:09 <+luke-jr> lol
17:09 <phxt> evan
17:09 <Gursikh> <--- special cloak!
17:09 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: civ? :þ
17:09 <phxt> lets see
17:09  * Gursikh hugs his cloak
17:09 -!- phxt is now known as seeeeee
17:09 <+luke-jr> cloaks are boring
17:09 <seeeeee> ok cmon
17:09 <seeeeee> whois me
17:09  * luke-jr shows off his IP address
17:10 <Gursikh> hee hee my hostname rocks too
17:10 <seeeeee> * [seeeeee] (n=pHxT@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu): pHxT
17:10 <seeeeee> better?
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> Gursikh: youre a trem dev!
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> or not
17:10 -!- seeeeee is now known as phxt
17:10 <phxt> he is
17:10 -!- Gursikh is now known as Gursikh_lookatme
17:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no
17:10 <phxt> but he dont have admin rights on all server
17:10 <phxt> :D
17:10  * Gursikh_lookatme shows off his "ip"
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> phxt: could you please shut the hell up
17:11 <+luke-jr> Gursikh_lookatme: you're khalsa!
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft: we could set a % ban on hungary
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> ZOMG! you found me out!
17:11 <+luke-jr> Gursikh_lookatme: when you gonna finish setting up that mirror?
17:11 <EvanR> luke-jr: so you wanted to use the new sockets api and make arma work on ipv6?
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> at least on his provider
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: uhhh some day when I get unlazy
17:11 <+luke-jr> EvanR: what new sockets api?
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: sometime soon
17:11 <EvanR> the one from 2000
17:11 <spidey> luke you noob
17:11 <spidey> you killed it
17:11 <+luke-jr> spidey: duh
17:11 <+luke-jr> n00bs ruined it
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: maybe after a nice nap this afternoon >.<
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> ?
17:11 <+luke-jr> so I restored the save
17:11 <spidey> now, what was my AI's name?
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> ruined what
17:11 <+luke-jr> who cares
17:11 <+luke-jr> it remembers
17:12 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo_laptop: we could just wait for digitx to stfu by himself
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> ok guys, ima do my homework RIGHT NOW
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft: indeed
17:12 <EvanR> luke-jr: did someone ridicule ipv6 and thats why armagetron doesnt have it?
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> he will get bored if we ignore him
17:12 <phxt> cmon go learn bugi
17:12 <phxt> cuz u sux :D
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> brb :p
17:12 <phxt> bb, have fun
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: no>
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: nobody's had time to redo networkign :þ
17:13 <EvanR> 'redo' ?
17:13 -!- Gursikh_lookatme is now known as Gursikh
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: ideally, it'd use XMPP for a lot of stuff
17:13 <EvanR> it shouldnt be that bad
17:13 <EvanR> i dont see how XMPP is related to this
17:13 <EvanR> isnt that an application layer thing
17:13 <+luke-jr> XMPP could be used for at least the master server list and MUC
17:14 <+luke-jr> not really
17:14 <phxt> Gursikh, 1v1? i need a practice
17:14 <Gursikh> phxt: can't i'm at school that blocks all UDP
17:14 <EvanR> how does XMPP related to the low level socket stuff
17:14 <phxt> k, np.
17:15 <+luke-jr> EvanR: it's part of the network module
17:16 <EvanR> and the network module is somehow highly dependent on ipv4?
17:16 <EvanR> is armagetron advanced a different program or just a newer version than armagetron
17:17 <+luke-jr> newer version
17:17 <+luke-jr> we renamed at 0.2.7
17:17 <EvanR> i tihnk the hardest part of porting is to change the way your program handles ip addresses, thats all
17:17 <+luke-jr> there is nothing inherently v4 dependent in the network module right now
17:18 <EvanR> and that may not even be necessary if it just uses strings
17:18 <+luke-jr> but moving the server list stuff to XMPP decentralizes it and allows for more extension
17:18 <EvanR> ok but how is xmpp related to the low level socket stuff
17:18 <EvanR> xmpp stuff still goes over tcp or udp right
17:18 <EvanR> it doesnt have to care about the network
17:19 <+luke-jr> TCP usually
17:19 <+luke-jr> but XMPP itself is network layer
17:19 <EvanR> :|
17:19 <EvanR> its a seperate library?
17:20 <EvanR> does it support ipv6/
17:20 <+luke-jr> yes
17:20 <EvanR> yes to both
17:20 <EvanR> then thats great
17:20 <+luke-jr> XMPP is a protocol, not a library
17:20 <EvanR> ok then....
17:20 <EvanR> it is not a network layer protocol though
17:21 <EvanR> that is ipv4 and ipv6
17:21 <+luke-jr> yes it is
17:21 <+luke-jr> XMPP is a high level network layer protocol
17:21 <EvanR> wait. you were literally telling me it uses "raw" sockets
17:21 <+luke-jr> no
17:21 <EvanR> i dont think we are using the same terminology
17:21 <+luke-jr> sockets are not part of a protocol
17:21 <EvanR> the only network layers that matter is ipv4 and ipv6
17:22 <EvanR> transport layer, tcp udp
17:22 <+luke-jr> and XMPP ☺
17:22 <EvanR> application layer xmpp
17:22 <+luke-jr> no
17:22 <+luke-jr> XMPP is network layer
17:22 <EvanR> without operating system support, its not
17:22 <+luke-jr> OS support is up to the OS
17:22 <EvanR> if it uses sockets, its higher than trasport
17:22 <+luke-jr> completely a different issue than the OS
17:22 <EvanR> unless it uses raw sockets
17:22 <+luke-jr> sockets are at every layer
17:23 <+luke-jr> or can be
17:23 <EvanR> what so XMPP hanles mac addresses
17:23 <EvanR> and determines routing
17:23 <+luke-jr> no
17:23 <+luke-jr> XMPP handles JIDs
17:23 <+luke-jr> and routes based on those
17:24 <EvanR> but it works over ipv4 or ipv6
17:24 <+luke-jr> it works over any reliable communications transport
17:24 <EvanR> so it works over tcp
17:24 <+luke-jr> it can
17:24 <+luke-jr> and usually does
17:25 <+luke-jr> just like Ethernet can work over TCP
17:25 <EvanR> no, it cant
17:25 <EvanR> ethernet is an electrical signalling protocol
17:25 <+luke-jr> …
17:26 <EvanR> anyway, im trying to understand how this in any way inhibits porting to ipv6
17:26 <+luke-jr> it doesn't
17:26 <+luke-jr> it's part of a transition
17:26 <EvanR> you are just confusing me saying that we have three network layers, ipv4 ipv6 and xmpp
17:26 <EvanR> which xmpp is not a network layer at all, in that sense
17:26 <+luke-jr> the IPv4-specific code needs to change to use XMPP in one part, and IPv6 in another
17:26 <+luke-jr> it is
17:27 <EvanR> are you manually creating the means to transport XMPP stuff
17:27 <EvanR> i think that is necessary
17:27 <+luke-jr> the means are undefined
17:27 <EvanR> what does tha tmean!
17:28 <EvanR> i can only see one way, a tcp socket
17:28 <+luke-jr> XMPP does not define any specific means to use it
17:28 <+luke-jr> nor do we use any at the moment
17:28 <EvanR> why are you talking about the standard
17:28 <EvanR> its not like you are going to make a armagetron pci card
17:28 <EvanR> which uses an ethernet cable
17:29 <EvanR> i thought were talking about the game armagetron
17:29 <+luke-jr> indeed
17:29 <EvanR> in that case. either you have to make a tcp socket to transport the XMPP data, or else you need to use a library to wrap it
17:29 <+luke-jr> right now we use some custom application layer protocol over UDP to get server lists
17:29 <EvanR> to make the tcp socket for you
17:29 -!- phxt is now known as digitx
17:30 <+luke-jr> that needs to change to use a standard application layer protocol over XMPP
17:30 <EvanR> that is upside down
17:30 <+luke-jr> due to the latency requirements for actual gameplay, at some point we need to negotiate a UDP connection for low-latency traffic
17:31 <EvanR> your game is going to be partially over XMPP which is over tcp, which is over ipv4/6
17:31 <digitx> luke, how are u ? :o
17:31 <+luke-jr> correct
17:31 <digitx> thats good ;p
17:32 <EvanR> so basically anyone working on the lowest level can just ignore the fact that xmpp is happening
17:33 <+luke-jr> XMPP would be the lowest level for best effort communications
17:33 <EvanR> um no, tcp would
17:33 <EvanR> its not like XMPP is going to magically transport your data
17:34 <EvanR> unless theres something you havent told me, the lowest level stuff is in ipv4 and needs to be updated to use the new api
17:34 <+luke-jr> how XMPP transports the data is not our concern
17:34 <EvanR> who is OUR?
17:34 <+luke-jr> Armagetron
17:34 <+luke-jr> XMPP's means of transporting data is irrelevant
17:34 <EvanR> ummmm and whos concern is it to make sure it actually happens?
17:34 <+luke-jr> the XMPP router's
17:34 <EvanR> and do you have one?
17:34 <+luke-jr> sure
17:34 <EvanR> ?
17:34 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org has an XMPP router
17:35 <EvanR> you are sending the data to that site
17:35 <EvanR> or they have software to download
17:35 <EvanR> or what
17:35 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org is the XMPP equivalent of the subnet address in IP
17:35 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:35 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org is the XMPP subnet
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <+luke-jr> no
17:36 <+luke-jr> the data would be to a service in that subnet
17:37 <EvanR> you are going in circles, refusing to answer my questions
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> lol
17:37 <+luke-jr> so if we setup an XMPP router for armagetronad.net, the service might be servers.armagetronad.net
17:37 <EvanR> MrBougo_laptop: do you know whats going on?
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> nope
17:37 <EvanR> luke-jr: ok
17:37 <EvanR> so you have a server set up
17:37 <EvanR> to route XMPP traffic
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> brb
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17:38 <EvanR> and this is what you are saying is not your concern
17:38 <+luke-jr> all the game's concern is that packets get from the source address to the destination address
17:38 <EvanR> no
17:38 <EvanR> the game has to get the data to that router
17:38 <EvanR> how do you think its going to happen
17:38 <+luke-jr> true
17:38 <+luke-jr> which often uses libraries
17:38 <EvanR> like what
17:39 <EvanR> libc sockets?
17:39 <+luke-jr> there's a number of them
17:39 <EvanR> so you are finally getting to the point
17:39 <EvanR> you are going to use a library to wrap the sockets?
17:39 <+luke-jr> no, libc sockets are too antiquated to understand anything but IP
17:39 <EvanR> so you are going to use a library to wrap sockets
17:39 <+luke-jr> a library is most practical for cross-platform
17:39 <EvanR> ok
17:40 <EvanR> which library
17:40 <EvanR> "its not our concern" ?
17:41 <+luke-jr> we haven't picked any out yet
17:41 <EvanR> sockets is the lowest level networking you can get, anything that wants to talk on the network uses that
17:41 <+luke-jr> on BSD, yes
17:41 <EvanR> no
17:41 <EvanR> on anything
17:41 <EvanR> windows, linux
17:41 <+luke-jr> Windows doesn't have BSD sockets
17:41 <EvanR> osx
17:41 <+luke-jr> they forked it for Winsock
17:41 <spidey> luke-jr: ally albert
17:41 <EvanR> ummm
17:41 <+luke-jr> which is close enough
17:41 <EvanR> luke-jr: winsock is exactly like sockets
17:42 <EvanR> sockets is not on BSD only
17:42 <EvanR> anyway, since you are going to use a library to do the low level networking as far as xmpp goes and you took forever to tell me that
17:42 <EvanR> what about the actual game
17:42 <EvanR> using a udp socket, or using a library to wrap it
17:43 <+luke-jr> right now it uses BSD sockets
17:43 <+luke-jr> which are a library just like everything else
17:43 <EvanR> except any other library wraps sockets
17:43 <EvanR> no other library can use networking
17:43 <EvanR> directly
17:43 <+luke-jr> not without being platform dependent, no
17:43 <EvanR> sockets is an OS service, not a library
17:43 <EvanR> now
17:44 <+luke-jr> XMPP could be an OS service too, if any implemented it
17:44 <EvanR> using sockets directly in a cross platform way isnt that hard
17:44  * spidey slaps luke-jr${noob}
17:44 <EvanR> luke-jr: who the fuck cares?
17:44 <spidey> ally albert!
17:44 <+luke-jr> spidey: he hasn't asked
17:44 <spidey> ask him
17:44 <spidey> -.-
17:44 <spidey> i need vision from him
17:44 <EvanR> am i missing something
17:44 <spidey> atm he won't cause you're neutral
17:44 <+luke-jr> he won't
17:45 <+luke-jr> he has a problem with our ally
17:45 <EvanR> im trying to understand your project
17:45 <spidey> who?
17:45 <spidey> our ally, or your ally? :P
17:45 <+luke-jr> Cornish
17:45 <spidey> yea, he's at war with them
17:46 <+luke-jr> if I break my alliance with him, my reputation will suffer
17:46 <+luke-jr> and then he won't ally with me cuz of that
17:46 <spidey> i got vision from arabs
17:46 <EvanR> who is the real network progrmamer
17:47 <Gursikh> Will the real network programmer please stand up!
17:47 <+luke-jr> nobody
17:47 <EvanR> does anyone here know anything about networking
17:47 <spidey> um
17:47 <+luke-jr> I do
17:47 <spidey> someone has vision with albert o.o
17:47 <EvanR> just making sure
17:47 <+luke-jr> I'm just not so narrow minded as to only see what's implemented
17:48 <EvanR> dont be a crackpot, talking about pci-card ethernet implementations all of which operates of xmpp in some quasi singularitarian energy-only medium where the matrix is simulated has nothing to do with actually making a game
17:49 <Gursikh> o_O
17:49 <EvanR> "none of this matters because java could be implemented on an abacus"
17:49 <EvanR> :|
17:49 <+luke-jr> PCI card doesn't come into the picture
17:50 <EvanR> not yet
17:50 <EvanR> you are too closed minded
17:50 <EvanR> think outside the box
17:50 <+luke-jr> some NICs implement parts of Ethernet, some implement all the way down to TCP/UDP
17:50 <spidey> or some have there own cpu
17:50 <spidey> ;p
17:50 <+luke-jr> where the implmentation of the network stack is irrelevant
17:50 <EvanR> :|
17:52 <EvanR> i asked a simple question, like how does xmpp have any bearing on porting to ipv6, and you start telling me how you have an upside down non standard network model where "ethernet works over tcp, tcp works over xmpp, and xmpp works on something irrelevant"
17:52 <EvanR> please implement ethernet on tcp
17:52 <+luke-jr> Ethernet can work over sockets
17:52 <+luke-jr> what do you think VPNs do?
17:52 <EvanR> i think you have no clue what ethenet is
17:53 <EvanR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_physical_layer
17:54  * luke-jr was obviously referred to the part that isn't inherently physical
17:55 <EvanR> how about to turn it upside down and talk real life
17:55 <EvanR> something irrelevant (YOUR GAME) works over xmpp
17:55 <EvanR> and xmpp work sover tcp
17:55 <EvanR> and tcp works over ipv4/6 sockets
17:55 <EvanR> not the other way around
17:55 <+luke-jr> Armagetron does nothing with XMPP right now
17:56 <+luke-jr> and whether XMPP uses TCP or something else is irrelevant
17:56 <EvanR> it is if you want ipv6 suppot
17:57 <EvanR> *not irrelevant
17:57 <+luke-jr> IPv6 support is almost trivial once XMPP support is done
17:58 <EvanR> why is that, xmpp has nothing to do with ipv6
17:58 <+luke-jr> because the code left over that deals with BSD sockets is a minority
17:58 <EvanR> i think the actual game is a lot more involved than your dumb server lister
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17:59 <+luke-jr> I think you have no clue and need to listen ☺
18:00 <EvanR> so far youve told me that all the work is being directed at making the list popular with servers
18:00 <EvanR> populate
18:00 <EvanR> listing servers is rather trivial
18:00 <EvanR> i made a server listing server in 10 minutes in python
18:01 <+luke-jr> using standards?
18:01 <+luke-jr> anyhow, the server list is just one piece of code that needs conversion
18:01 <+luke-jr> I was using it as an example
18:02 <EvanR> what else is there
18:02 <+luke-jr> MUC and authentication, primarily
18:02 <EvanR> what is MUC
18:02 <+luke-jr> multi-user chat
18:04 <EvanR> since its a standard, it sounds like you should get a library that auto generates xmpp traffic from your raw data
18:04 <EvanR> reimplementing it would be silly
18:04 <+luke-jr> indeed
18:04 <EvanR> the sockets wrapper, you want one that is not ipv6 ignorant
18:05 <+luke-jr> it wouldn't be a wrapper
18:05 <EvanR> yeah. it would be.
18:05 <+luke-jr> no
18:05 <+luke-jr> you don't seem to know what a wrapper is
18:05 <+luke-jr> often they're called bindings
18:05 <EvanR> lets stop and you tell me what platforms armagetron supports?
18:06 <EvanR> windows linux the bsd's macosx?
18:06 <+luke-jr> at least, yes
18:06 <EvanR> any operating system remotely similar to those implements operating system supported sockets api
18:06 <EvanR> since its a standard
18:06 <EvanR> ANY networking library uses sockets.
18:07 <+luke-jr> currently, yes
18:07 <+luke-jr> and our UDP stuff does too
18:07 <EvanR> i know yes!
18:08 <EvanR> you seem to think theres some other way to do networking with computers than the sockets api
18:08 <spidey> if ur not going to agree to bort as a mod.. what about skinhead plz??? input??
18:09 <spidey> er
18:09 <spidey> [10:45] <luke-jr> which are a library just like everything else
18:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: there may be some day
18:09 <EvanR> some day when an operating system appears with no sockets api, and no software works on it
18:10 <EvanR> if any huge mega corps still exist at that time, they would be the only people with such a plan
18:11 <EvanR> not economically viable though
18:11 <+luke-jr> I didn't say no sockets API
18:11 <EvanR> better interfaces to the network can be implement using the sockets api, and thats where we are
18:11 <+luke-jr> I said not ONLY
18:14 <EvanR> anyway, to make the game as it is use ipv6, it would only be a matter of basically switching gethostbyname to getaddrinfo
18:14 <EvanR> its rather straight forward
18:14 <+luke-jr> the thing is, we don't want it to be "as it is"
18:14 <EvanR> ok
18:14 <+luke-jr> the transition to using XMPP where possible would be at the same time
18:15 <EvanR> alot more work, but yes
18:15 <EvanR> so what is the final product supposed to look like
18:16 <+luke-jr> the same
18:16 <+luke-jr> everything in this project is underlying
18:16 <EvanR> thats what im asking
18:16 <+luke-jr> not noticed by players much
18:16 <+luke-jr> except authentication
18:17 <spidey> luke-jr: timeout 0
18:17 <spidey> i need to reboot to add ram
18:18 <spidey> ups guy came few minutes ago
18:18 <spidey> my dogs out back where barking, he didn't know they where tied up
18:18 <spidey> he also didn't see me walk outside because i he was like frozen, waiting for them
18:19 <spidey> so my little chihuahua starts backing(he followed me out)
18:19 <spidey> the ups guy threw the package and about had a heart attack xD
18:19 <+luke-jr> spidey: hurry
18:20 <spidey> k
18:20 <spidey> brb
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18:23 <EvanR> doom completely works
18:24 <EvanR> with ipv4 at least
18:24 <+luke-jr> ?
18:24 <+luke-jr> who said anything about doom?
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18:27 <spidey> Mem:   1287240k total,   522888k used,   764352k free,
18:27 <spidey> :D
18:27 <EvanR> im using doom as a test for tcp and udp support
18:28 <spidey> ...
18:29 <spidey> while you're at it, make a ipv6 port of tremulous
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18:29 <+luke-jr> lol
18:30 <EvanR> spidey: if it uses sdl_net, it will in a minute
18:30 <EvanR> dont count on any games having very good latency on ipv6 though
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18:31 <spidey> q3 doesn't support ipv6
18:31 <spidey> there's a port somewhere of a q3 ipv6 server,but i forgot where i saw it
18:33 <EvanR> q3 is pretty much the only game with an ipv6 'version'
18:34 <EvanR> in reality you dont need a version, you just need to have it, or if you are paranoid, a menu option to disable it
18:34 <+luke-jr> lol
18:35 <EvanR> its like freenode, it has 2 servers that support ipv6, one of them has a vig IPV6 in the name, like it needs special attention
18:35 <EvanR> as in special olympics
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18:36 <+luke-jr> FreeNode doesn't support XMPP-MUC tho ☹
18:38 <+luke-jr> spidey:
18:38 <EvanR> ...freenode is an IRC network
18:38 <EvanR> it uses the IRC protocol
18:38 <EvanR> use jabber if you want xmpp
18:39 <spidey> luke-jr: what?
18:39 <+luke-jr> nothing about FreeNode needs to be IRC speficically
18:39 <EvanR> ...
18:39 <EvanR> and theres no reason the united states should not all switch to chinese
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18:40 <EvanR> freenode is an IRC network, if you want to create something like freenode with xmpp you are welcome to, but seriously, why would you call it freenode?
18:40 <spidey> ...
18:40 <spidey> nice
18:40 <spidey> i can use my scroll wheel to spam name changes
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18:46 <xfroggy> guys... when AFL starts?
18:46 <spidey> Gursikh: ask wtf i was banned from #tremulous for
18:46 <spidey> -.-
18:46 <spidey> nvm
18:47 <xfroggy> damn every time I come in here, people keep talking to themselves (hint: spidey)
18:47 <spidey> .....................................
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18:47 <xfroggy> ;D
18:47 <pavelo> xfroggy: http://durkas.info
18:48 <xfroggy> it's not stated there
18:48 <pavelo> look at the schedule
18:48 <xfroggy> Schedule section only says Week 1 - 7
18:48 <xfroggy> no date...
18:49 <pavelo> there are dates, its missing times though
18:49 <xfroggy> ah Oo
18:49  * xfroggy feels dumb
18:49 <xfroggy> ty pavelo :D
18:49 <pavelo> anytime
18:59 <Gursikh> spidey: ?
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19:32 <spidey> nvm
19:32 <spidey> ;p
19:32 <spidey> luke-jr: ping?
19:41 <spidey> luke-jr: you need gold or something? :P
19:42 <epsy> what's up with the master's dns ?
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20:18 <epsy> could someone help me with an arma-related problem ?
20:18 <epsy> i can't reach any master serv.
20:19 <wrtlprnft> err
20:19 <epsy> dns error it says me
20:20 <wrtlprnft> mathias@colin $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5; do resolveip master$i.armagetronad.net; done                                                      ~/bwinf
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master1.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master2.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master3.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master4.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master5.armagetronad.net is
20:21 <epsy> seems i get them
20:21 <epsy> but slowly
20:21 <epsy> i'ill try edit my master list
20:21 <wrtlprnft> then your dns is messed up
20:21 <epsy> resolveip: Unable to find hostid for 'master2.armagetronad.net': try again
20:21 <epsy> same for 5th
20:21 <wrtlprnft> try in /etc/resolv.conf?
20:22 <epsy> ?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> until your provider fixes their DNS
20:22 <wrtlprnft> is the easiest to remember name server in existance :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> unless you count, which sometimes exists
20:24 <epsy> do i need to restart something ?
20:25 <epsy> eek
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm classic ...                   [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm high-rubber ...               [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm htf ...                       [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy> lol
20:25 <epsy> old stuff
20:26 <epsy> doesn't work
20:31 <epsy> and it doesn't work either if i edit my master.srv using the IPs you provided there
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20:46 <epsy> nvm i'm starting to lag all over the network
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21:42 <ryanakca> Umm... I guess I'd have to create my own ~/.armagetronad/config/ , and then ~/.armagetronad/config/autoexec.cfg ?
21:44 <epsy> it should be created on arma's first run
21:45 <pavelo> what are you trying to do ?
21:45 <pavelo> epsy: i don't have a file with that name
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21:46 <pavelo> shouldn't that be ~/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg ?
21:46 <epsy> well
21:47 <epsy> ryanakca, what are you trying to do ?
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21:52 <ryanakca> pavelo: I don't have that either
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21:52 <ryanakca> epsy: the wiki says that I need to put all the camera settings it autoexec.cfg, otherwise I'll loose them. and somewhere's on the wikipage, I saw config/autoexec.cfg
21:52 <pavelo> but you have the directory ?
21:52 <epsy> ah
21:53 <pavelo> if so, then just create the file
21:53 <epsy> ~/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg
21:53 <ryanakca> I don't have config/
21:53 <ryanakca> ok, thanks
21:56 <pavelo> it would appear it's called config/ on windoze, and var/ on linux
21:56  * pavelo wonders why
21:57 <ryanakca> yeah, I'd have var/ then
21:57 <ryanakca> hmm... and why is it that 'Player_1 0x00ff00r0x0000ffy0x00ff00a0x0000ffn0x(alternate etc)akca only gives a green r?
21:58 <pavelo> i don't get it
21:59 <epsy> there's a lenght limit hopefully LOL
22:00 <pavelo> oh, right you only get enough space for one color code
22:00 <ryanakca> well, it only alternates the colors, r is green, y is blue, a is green, etc for nakca
22:01 <ryanakca> shucks!
22:01 <epsy> well, you can use this limit to cheat...but...well
22:02  * ryanakca can't see how you could use the limit to cheat... other than you set both your names the same, except your's is longer with extra letters/codes at the end...
22:02 <ryanakca> also, I had my car black and tail blue... how can I have it blue with a green tail?
22:03  * ryanakca reads more documentation
22:11 <pavelo> that used to be (anti-)popular at a certain time, but i think something was done about that
22:12 <ryanakca> what do you mean?
22:12 <pavelo> the name faking thing
22:12 <pavelo> and then polling the guy whose name you took
22:22 <ryanakca> ah
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22:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 73.0°F (3:38 PM CDT on October 08, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Falling).
22:59 <spidey> luke-jr: ...
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23:59 <+luke-jr> spidey: …

Log from 2007-10-09:
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00:11 <madmax> hi
00:11 <ghableska> hey max
00:15 <madmax> hi ghab
00:16 <G5_Ger> #tea
00:16 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: No online players.
00:16 <madmax> #armaservers
00:16 <armabot> madmax: This data is 88 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9/14), Chico's Brake Boost Styball - New Map and Mode (8/8), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (8/16), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (8/14), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (8/16), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7/12), Wilddog (6/8), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), ~TP clan (1 more message)
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01:13 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 69.8°F (6:13 PM CDT on October 08, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Rising).
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01:55 <spidey> grr@kate
02:23 <Sticky_> #tea
02:23 <armabot> Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Black Wolf, CtxOwned, Radian
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02:54 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:54 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.6°F (7:53 PM CDT on October 08, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.04 in 983.3 hPa (Rising).
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04:04 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:04 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 79.0°F (9:01 PM CDT on October 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising).
04:04 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
04:04 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:05 <spidey> #send Lucifer${noob}gay porn
04:05 <armabot> I have sent porn to Lucifer${noob}gay, it should arrive shortly.
04:06 <spidey> ...
04:06 <spidey> #send Lucifer${noob} gay porn
04:06 <armabot> I have sent gay porn to Lucifer${noob}, it should arrive shortly.
04:52 <Lucifer> #send spidey some of my ejaculate
04:52 <armabot> I have sent some of my ejaculate to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
05:07 <GodTodd> well shit...no wonder my hda1 is low on space
05:08 <GodTodd> that happens when you forget a 4.4 GB sttng iso you downloaded a while back :/
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06:03 <spidey> hey luke-jr${noob}, wanna finish that game?
06:03 <spidey> Lucifer: this is one of those civ games where luke does "decent" , then thinks he's grown some hair on his ass
06:04 <spidey> tho
06:04 <Lucifer> haha (@GodTodd)
06:04 <Lucifer> spidey: is this the game y'all started playing the other night that I didn't join?
06:04 <spidey> yes
06:04 <spidey> we've been playing it for about 2 days, lol
06:05 <Lucifer> what do you mean he's doing "decent"?
06:05 <spidey> well
06:05 <Lucifer> beating an ai doesn't count as "decent" anymore
06:05 <spidey> he's doing decent
06:05 <spidey> 11k gold (most came from me buying techs from him)
06:05 <spidey> see
06:05 <spidey> i started late that game
06:05 <spidey> and had to war inca/swiss off my land
06:06 <spidey> so i'm basically you in any normal game atm
06:06 <spidey> only i haven't been as agressive as you normally are
06:06 <spidey> luke has stealth bombers
06:06 <spidey> howitzers and MI everywhere
06:07 <spidey> hooverdam gave me 40/50/60 point cities tho
06:07 <spidey> so my 20 > his 4 bajillion
06:07 <spidey> plus i'm in fundie so i get like 20 units free
06:07 <spidey> lo
06:07 <Lucifer> heh
06:08 <Lucifer> build good defenses and focus your military on one piece of luke at a time :)
06:08 <spidey> well
06:08  * Lucifer doesn't believe luke can defeat good defenses without nukes
06:08 <spidey> we're not waring yet, but the way he's going it looks like he wants to
06:08 <spidey> oh he can't
06:08 <Lucifer> he's tired of fighting ais too
06:08 <spidey> anything he drops on my land will be whiped out
06:08 <spidey> my main base
06:09 <Lucifer> remember that one game where luke's friend was the civ between you and me?  and luke and i started fighting each other?
06:09 <spidey> i took your advice to teh max
06:09 <spidey> 2 howitzers, 2 riflemen, 2 tanks and 2 MI
06:09 <Lucifer> I kept him back in one place by just putting a bunch of fortified units in a city
06:09 <spidey> in every city on my home island
06:09 <Lucifer> heh, you probably don't need the riflemen :)
06:09 <Lucifer> but the howtizers and tanks are auto-attack?
06:09 <spidey> yea but there free so i don't bother to move 'em
06:09 <spidey> howitzers are
06:09 <spidey> tanks are fortify
06:10 <Lucifer> I don't blame you, if riflemen could be upgraded to MI, they'd be much more awesome than they are
06:10 <Lucifer> well, if your enemy has MI and does blitzkrieg, the tanks should be fortified
06:10 <Lucifer> but if he doesn't do blitzkried, hard to say.  :)
06:10 <Lucifer> luke doesn't, he just throws everything he has at a city and then runs when he fails to take the city
06:11 <spidey> Lucifer: i got a friend intrested in civ
06:11 <spidey> wanna play? :P
06:11 <Lucifer> it's tempting, but i have to do homework
06:11 <spidey> k
06:12 <spidey> what's this little plus sign beside peoples name in konversation mean?
06:12 <Lucifer> beats me, I don't see it
06:13 <spidey> o.o
06:13 <GodTodd> spidey: who's it by?
06:13 <Lucifer> if it's by luke, luke's got voice right now
06:13 <GodTodd> yep
06:13 <spidey> bedman, eddiefantastic guru3, libervisco
06:13 <Lucifer> er
06:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
06:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v luke-jr] by Lucifer
06:13 <GodTodd> oh...that's 'away' i think
06:13 <spidey> o.O
06:14 <@Lucifer> yeah, they're away right now
06:14 <spidey> it looks like a cross
06:14 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
06:14 <GodTodd> they're greyed out on mine
06:14 <Lucifer> mine too
06:14 <Lucifer> I'm using the smiley theme, so there's a smiley with a box over it
06:14 <spidey> lol
06:14 <spidey> if i ever reinstall ubuntu
06:14 <GodTodd> i'm using some theme that isn't the smiley theme
06:15 <spidey> remind me not to install "kubuntu-desktop"
06:15 <spidey> just "kde" is so much better =/
06:15 <GodTodd> that's what i did
06:15 <spidey> kubuntu-desktop lacks things >.>
06:15 <GodTodd> i did ubuntu then installed kde over it
06:15 <spidey> same
06:15 <GodTodd> it pwns :)
06:15 <spidey> except
06:15 <spidey> i installed kubuntu-desktop over it
06:16 <spidey> GodTodd: up for a game of civ?
06:16 <GodTodd> not tonight :(
06:16 <spidey> luke ran off so i can't finish pwn'ing AI's waiting for him to think he's got the resources to attempt to attack me :P
06:17  * GodTodd is sleepy enough to possibly blow off homework for the night even :/
06:18 <Lucifer> I can't, I blew off too much homework last week
06:18 <Lucifer> now I have to catch up
06:18 <GodTodd> i haven't blown any off yet...that's why i'm sleepy ;)
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06:19 <GodTodd> fucking humanities kicked my ass last week
06:20 <GodTodd> then i have to go tomorrow night and watch a boring movie and write an artistic interpretation of it for a grade
06:20 <GodTodd> i fucking hate that class
06:21 <GodTodd> heh
06:22 <GodTodd>  /dev/hda1              37G   34G  600M  99% /
06:22 <GodTodd> 4.4 GB will give me lots of room to work with
06:22 <GodTodd> :)
06:22 <spidey>  /dev/sda1             109G  9.3G   94G   9% /
06:22 <GodTodd> yeah...this is a lappy tho
06:22 <GodTodd> :P
06:22 <spidey>  /dev/sdb1             111G   66G   39G  63% /mnt/sdb1
06:22 <spidey> :P
06:23 <GodTodd> those externals?
06:23 <spidey> no ma'am
06:23 <spidey> what version of ubuntu are you running?
06:23 <GodTodd> feisty
06:23 <spidey> wtf?
06:23 <GodTodd> 7.04
06:23 <spidey> and you have /dev/hda1??
06:23 <spidey> that's lame
06:23 <GodTodd> yeah
06:23 <spidey> feisty moved everything to sxx
06:24 <spidey> for me
06:24 <GodTodd> didn't for me
06:24 <spidey> scd0
06:24 <spidey> no more /dev/cdrom
06:24 <GodTodd> wonder if it makes a difference that i upgraded and you clean installed
06:24 <spidey> probably
06:25 <GodTodd> i installed edgy clean
06:25 <GodTodd> then just upgraded when feisty came out
06:25 <spidey> http://pastebin.ca/730390
06:25 <spidey> that's how feisty handles /dev/stuff for me
06:25 <spidey> wait
06:26 <spidey> wtf isn't the cdrom's mounted for
06:26 <spidey> o.o
06:26 <GodTodd> i need to figure out how to mount my mp3 player
06:26 <GodTodd> it pops up the what do i do window
06:26 <GodTodd> then never opens it
06:26 <spidey> hm
06:26 <spidey> do dmesg
06:26 <spidey> and see where it's at
06:26 <spidey> then try mounting it?
06:27 <spidey> (replug it in first)
06:30 <GodTodd> what am i looking for....i see it in the entries
06:30 <GodTodd> [14379.716000] usb-storage: device found at 3
06:30 <GodTodd> [14379.716000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
06:30 <GodTodd> [14384.716000] usb-storage: device scan complete
06:30 <GodTodd> [14384.716000] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access     LG       UP3S             1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
06:30 <GodTodd> that?
06:32 <spidey> hrm
06:32 <spidey> does it give a device?
06:32 <spidey> like /dev/sda
06:32 <GodTodd> [14384.720000] SCSI device sda: 3988337 512-byte hdwr sectors (2042 MB)
06:32 <GodTodd> [14384.720000] sda: Write Protect is off
06:32 <GodTodd> [14384.720000] sda: Mode Sense: 00 c0 00 00
06:32 <GodTodd> [14384.720000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
06:32 <GodTodd> [14384.720000] SCSI device sda: 3988337 512-byte hdwr sectors (2042 MB)
06:33 <GodTodd> yeah...says sda
06:33 <spidey> try to mount /dev/sda /media/whatever
06:35 <GodTodd> woot...that worked :)
06:35 <GodTodd> ty
06:35 <spidey> np :D
06:35 <GodTodd> now...do i need to put that in fstab or something so that it mounts automagically when i plug it in?
06:36 <spidey> if you don't have any sata drives it should be fine to put it in fstab
06:36 <GodTodd> nah..cheapo lappy...shouldn't have any sata drives
06:37 <spidey> afaik /etc/fstab is only for boot time loading
06:37 <spidey> or
06:37 <spidey> put it in fstab, and when you plug it in do mount -a
06:38 <GodTodd> could do that
06:40 <GodTodd> i just hated having to go to the winders box to change the music on my player
06:40 <GodTodd> XD
06:41 <GodTodd> specially since the box touted 'native linux support'
06:45 <spidey> erm
06:45 <spidey> Lucifer: ping?
06:46 <Lucifer> spidey: ping!
06:46 <spidey> i forgot how to setup AI
06:46 <spidey> do they auto join ?
06:46 <spidey> (i'm playing with a friend)
06:47  * GodTodd whispers...it's ok to call it your dick
06:47 <Lucifer> heh
06:47 <Lucifer> on the INternal tab, set the maximum number of players
06:47 <Lucifer> alternately, do "/set aifill 100"
06:48 <spidey> k
06:48 <spidey> then they just join?
06:48 <spidey> (after we start)
06:49 <spidey> 5555
06:49 <spidey> if you wanna play :P
06:51 <Lucifer> yeah, they just join after you start
06:54 <spidey> wanna play for a hour or so? :P
06:58 <spidey> Lucifer: ? :P
06:59 <Lucifer> so, in other words, do I want to play an hour during the most boring part of the game?
06:59 <spidey> starting with lots of gold/settlers and 20 techs
06:59 <spidey> :P
07:00 <spidey> i lowered food box aswell
07:04 <spidey> yes ? no? we're about to start :P
07:05 <Lucifer> no
07:11 <Lucifer> I did manage to find a group of settings that seems to get you past the opening stages of the game in about 2 hours, though
07:19 <spidey> heh
07:19 <spidey> i'm just teaching the guy how to play
07:19 <spidey> problem is
07:19 <spidey> i really don't know how i play...
07:19 <spidey> =/
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07:33 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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07:39 <Lucifer> haha
07:40 <Lucifer> direct hiim to the tutorial
07:40 <spidey> haha@ elite explorer
07:40 <spidey> stupid AI trying to kill my explorer forted on a hill with worriers
07:45  * wrtlprnft worries about the worriers :)
07:48 <spidey> luci!
07:48 <spidey> i got it!
07:48 <Lucifer> ?
07:48 <spidey> buy multiple things with one click of the button without the war client
07:48 <spidey> hold down control, click every city
07:48 <spidey> then click buy
07:48 <Lucifer> no shit?
07:48  * Lucifer already found that
07:48 <spidey> :(
07:48  * Lucifer thought you knew, too
07:48  * spidey didn't
07:48 <Lucifer> most of what I liked about the war client turns out to be part of the regular client :)
07:49 <spidey> heh
08:34 <Lucifer> foodbox 7 and techlevel 4 speed up the game a lot
08:34 <Lucifer> should have MI before jesus is born
08:34  * Lucifer thinks it's ironic he used to bitch about having cruise missiles in BC
08:34 <Lucifer> start with 10 settlers and 5+ workers, and a couple of explorers
08:34 <Lucifer> should be able to start warring against ais in 10 turns :)
08:35 <spidey> lol
08:36 <spidey> it's funny
08:36 <spidey> i have a elite explorer forted on a mountain
08:37 <spidey> and nothing's killed it yet
08:41 <Lucifer> first cannon that comes along will knock him out
08:41 <Lucifer> that's what always seems to take out my explorers
08:43 <spidey> lol
10:20 <luke-jr> …
10:22 <luke-jr> spidey:
10:23 <spidey> ?
10:25 <luke-jr> spidey: wanna continue?
10:25 <luke-jr> btw, I still have plenty of AI to get
10:26 <spidey> not now
10:26 <spidey> i'm clsoe to going to sleep
10:28 <Lucifer> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton9oct09,1,2741421.story?coll=la-news-a_section   <---- I think she's going to be our next president
10:28 <Lucifer> what, we're not going to continue our nuke-luke game?
10:30 <luke-jr> …
10:30 <luke-jr> no
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11:19 <Lucifer> hey, apparently you have to have a factory in a city to build spaceship parts
11:20 <luke-jr> no
11:22 <Lucifer> it's what the fucking manual says
11:22 <Lucifer> manual's been updated for 2.1 though, and 2.0 is gone, so it may be a 2.1 change
11:22 <luke-jr> screw the manual
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11:22 <luke-jr> maybe
11:22 <Lucifer> I'm wondering if I should make eugenics a freeciv client first
11:22 <luke-jr> but I sure didn't build Factories back when we started playing
11:22 <luke-jr> …
11:22 <Lucifer> since I can do most of what I want in it thataway
11:23 <Lucifer> ah, when we started playing we were using 2.0 :)
11:23 <Lucifer> I'm building 2.1, curious if they've actually fixed more bugs than they caused for this one
11:23 <Lucifer> (beta6 now)
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16:28 <MeisterHora> hi. just one question.
16:30 <MeisterHora> is it possible to set the switch camera key to more then one key?
16:33 <MeisterHora> i mean for each camera view, i would like to bind with different keys, to have a quick switch.
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17:02 <MrBougo> epsy epsy !
17:02 <MrBougo> ima install kubuntu on my brand new laptop
17:02 <MrBougo> :p
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17:38 <epsy> #onlineservers
17:38 <armabot> epsy: This data is 19 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12/14), Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (11/16), || T R O N   T R A C K  || (6/16), Norm's Place (6/12), NIXDA.NET - SUMO (5/16), WILDCAT (5/8), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (5/12), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (3/12), |FA| Clan Server - Devils Rings! (3/16), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (3/16), Fabi's Spielstube (1 more message)
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18:16 <MrBougo> hiho
18:16 <MrBougo> can either Lucifer or luke-jr  or wrtlprnft help me?
18:16 <MrBougo> i'm installing kubuntu on my second harddrive
18:17 <MrBougo> i absolutely have to install grub in the MBR of the second HD? not the 1st one
18:17 <MrBougo> forget the "?"
18:17 <MrBougo> it's suposed to be a comma
18:18 <MrBougo> so by default it's installed on "hd(0)"
18:18 <MrBougo> on (hd0) sorry
18:27 <MrBougo> ok, problem solved
18:27 <MrBougo> gotta set it to hd1
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20:06 <luke-jr> guru3: ping
20:07 <guru3> luke-jr: pong
20:19 <luke-jr> guru3: Dreamhost needs you to contact them regarding having their site do resource repo mirroring-- can I forward an email to you?
20:20 <guru3> i'm confused... what?
20:20 <luke-jr> I'm trying to setup a mirror of the resource repository on my Dreamhost account
20:20 <luke-jr> but apparently someone has already registered the domain with them
20:20 <luke-jr> presumably this is you
20:20 <guru3> yes
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20:20 <luke-jr> so they need you to authorize the ServerAlias for resource.armagetronad.net
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20:21 <luke-jr> Well, I guess I could set a custom Alias for you, however, you'll need to
20:21 <luke-jr> get the owner of the account that hosts the domain to ask for it to be
20:21 <luke-jr> done in a support request.  Or you can have him email me directly from
20:21 <luke-jr> the main email on his account to marie@dreamhost.com .  Note if he does a
20:21 <luke-jr> support request, he may want to put ATTN Marie in the subject, otherwise
20:21 <luke-jr> someone else might pick it up and not know how to do what I am talking
20:21 <luke-jr> about.
20:22 <guru3> i see
20:24 <guru3> so i need to send an email to marie and tell that person that i authorize you to have resource.armagetronad.net
20:24 <luke-jr> yeah
20:24 <luke-jr> either that, or I could tell you how to set it up under your account ;)
20:24 <luke-jr> which might be better
20:24 <luke-jr> as I don't know if I will continue this one beyond Dec
20:24 <guru3> i could give you a sub account
20:25 <guru3> of the main aa one for that domain
20:25 <guru3> pretty sure that's allowed
20:26 <luke-jr> hm
20:26 <guru3> and i'm pretty sure there are plenty of resources left
20:26 <luke-jr> I have an account, so it would just be granting privs I think
20:27 <guru3> not... really
20:27 <guru3> i've been through this before
20:27 <guru3>  with another guy with a dreamhost account
20:27 <guru3> it's easiest just to do a sub account
20:27 <guru3> or have me do it
20:28 <guru3> if i'd be smart i would have put each of the *.aad.net under a different account
20:28 <luke-jr> I see
20:28 <luke-jr> looks liek you add an account, then grant my "web id" privs on that
20:28 <guru3> cause then i could go tell people to do stuff
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23:32 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:32 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.3°F (4:32 PM CDT on October 09, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.10 in 985.3 hPa (Falling).
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Log from 2007-10-10:
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00:18 <P4> #base 36 10 Lucifer
00:18 <armabot> P4: 47547429507
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01:17 <Lucifer> #send P4 a nuclear missile
01:17 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to P4, it should arrive shortly.
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02:02 <noob7> so did any of you order the new radiohead album?
02:03 <noob7> I was about to put in a $0 order, but I dont want to mess up their statistics and will probably just pirate it instead of copying my brothers legally obtaind copy :D
02:18 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
02:57 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob}, civ?
03:24 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
03:38 <spidey> #send luke-jr anthrax
03:38 <armabot> I have sent anthrax to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:26 <spidey> #help send
04:26 <armabot> spidey: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
04:29 <spidey> #send luke-jr to war
04:29 <armabot> I have sent to war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:29 <spidey> #send luke-jr  war
04:29 <armabot> I have sent war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
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04:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:36 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.0°F (9:38 PM CDT on October 09, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Rising).
04:56 <spidey> #weather ghableska${noob}
04:57 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
04:57 <spidey> #weather 38256
04:57 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 60.1°F (9:59 PM CDT on October 09, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
04:59 <spidey> #send war luke-jr${noob}
04:59 <armabot> I have sent luke-jr${noob} to war, it should arrive shortly.
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05:40 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a small war
05:40 <armabot> I have sent a small war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
05:40 <Lucifer> noob7_away: nah, I don't listen to emo bands
05:43 <GodTodd> do too :P
05:45 <spidey> lol
05:52 <spidey> #send spidey all lucifer base
05:52 <armabot> I have sent all lucifer base to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
05:53 <Gursikh> #send spidey cheat codez
05:53 <armabot> I have sent cheat codez to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
05:54 <GodTodd> #send GodTodd ibuprofen
05:54 <armabot> I have sent ibuprofen to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
05:54 <GodTodd> thanks armabot...i got it :)
05:58 <GodTodd> #send Lucifer a very nasty case of the clap
05:58 <armabot> I have sent a very nasty case of the clap to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
06:06 <Lucifer> no civ!
06:07 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a big wet kiss
06:07 <armabot> I have sent a big wet kiss to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
06:07 <Lucifer> so, I have made a decision about eugenics
06:07 <Lucifer> maybe I should say this in #eugenics
06:07 <GodTodd> meh
06:07 <GodTodd> wherever
06:07 <GodTodd> :)
06:07 <Lucifer> heh
06:07 <Lucifer> I have decided to make it first a freeciv client
06:08 <Lucifer> that way we can focus on getting the client to work, do some of the things we want it to do, and don't have the complexity that writing the server at the same time would bring
06:11 <Lucifer> so, we'll be able to work out the Ministry of Spies, the Ministry of War, and the city managers, probably the trade manager as well (freights/caravans)
06:11 <Lucifer> numerous reports, where most of the data will be similar to what the eugenics model will be
06:11 <GodTodd> so basically make it a freeciv client...then make it better
06:12 <Lucifer> so a large part of the code will be the same that we need for a game client anyway, and it'll probably be playable faster that way
06:12 <Lucifer> right, pretty much
06:12 <Lucifer> and if we do it right, we should be able to play with a 30 second timeout in freeciv with no reduction in game quality
06:12 <GodTodd> sounds prudent
06:12 <Lucifer> in fact, we should find we have to lower the turn timeout to improve quality of the game
06:13 <GodTodd> no 1tpd games? :((((
06:13 <GodTodd> heh
06:16 <Lucifer> heh
06:16 <Lucifer> there is a catch
06:16 <Lucifer> after we start adding all the automation, the regular freeciv players will probably view it as a cheating client
06:16 <Lucifer> I don't care a whole lot what they think, but I don't want the good reputation of a game that's not intended to be another civ clone to be tarnished by that
06:17 <Lucifer> so it may be necessary to fork the freeciv server for awhile and make some incompatible changes to put a wall between eugenics and freeciv
06:18 <Lucifer> not significant changes, just protocol tweaks so the two clients can't use the other's servers
06:18 <Lucifer> anyway, turn 150 in freeciv gets you somewhere around 1600 AD iirc
06:19 <Lucifer> someone check me on that, I built the beta6 client and played it for awhile last night to see if the bugs that broke it were fixed (they're not, still has a random assertion that tears down the client)
06:19 <Lucifer> but I saw T150 next to somewhere around 1400/1600 AD
06:19 <Lucifer> on a 30 second turn timeout, that's:
06:19 <Lucifer> #math calc 30*150/60
06:19 <armabot> Lucifer: 75
06:19 <Lucifer> 75 minutes
06:20 <Lucifer> someone play a 2.1 beta up to 2000 AD and tell me what turn it is :)
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06:34 <Stewie-arma> hola
06:35 <Lucifer> como estas?
06:35 <Lucifer> #math calc -4000-(-1000)
06:35 <armabot> Lucifer: -3000
06:35 <Lucifer> duh
06:35 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50
06:35 <Stewie-arma> sorry I don't speak english or spanish
06:35 <armabot> Lucifer: 60
06:36 <Lucifer> #math calc 1000/25
06:36 <armabot> Lucifer: 40
06:36 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50 + 1000/25
06:36 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer do you not know how to do this stuff in your head?
06:36 <armabot> Lucifer: 100
06:36 <Lucifer> fuck off
06:36 <Stewie-arma> awww
06:36 <Lucifer> #send Stewie-arma a clue bat
06:36 <armabot> I have sent a clue bat to Stewie-arma, it should arrive shortly.
06:36 <Lucifer> :)
06:36 <Stewie-arma> this is the welcome I get from being gone for so long?
06:36 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:37 <Stewie-arma> wait you couldn't even do 60 + 40?
06:37 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50 + 1000/25 + 1000/20 + 500/10 + 250/5 + 250/2 + 100
06:37 <armabot> Lucifer: 475
06:37 <Lucifer> oh wow, it's 475 turns to 2000 AD
06:38 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:38 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: if you haven't figured out by now that I'm horrible with arithmetic, you won't figure it out
06:38 <Stewie-arma> playing freeciv?
06:38 <Lucifer> no, just doing some math on it :)
06:38  * Stewie-arma forgoted
06:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 475*30/60
06:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 237.5
06:38 <Lucifer> er
06:38 <Lucifer> ah, that's minutes, now hours :)
06:38 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:38 <Lucifer> #math calc (475*30/60)/60.0
06:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 3.95833333333
06:39 <Lucifer> so about 4 hours with a 30 second timeout to go all the way to 2000 AD
06:39 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer you don't need the parenthesis
06:39 <Lucifer> it's easier to read with the parenthesis
06:39 <Stewie-arma> #math calc 475*30/60/60
06:39 <armabot> Stewie-arma: 3.95833333333
06:39 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:39 <Lucifer> some day, grasshopper, you will learn the importance of notation
06:40 <GodTodd> #send Stewie-arma a notation device
06:40 <Lucifer> but not while you're under the grip of regular childlike laziness
06:40 <armabot> I have sent a notation device to Stewie-arma, it should arrive shortly.
06:40 <Stewie-arma> some day, old person, you will learn the importance of order of operations
06:40 <Lucifer> perhaps I already know the importance?  You miss the lesson completely.
06:40 <Lucifer> no cookie for you
06:40  * Stewie-arma is way to lazy to do anything right now
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06:41 <Stewie-arma> got tired of typing my 8 page essay... need a break
06:41  * GodTodd wants Stewie-arma's cookie then.
06:41 <Stewie-arma> which is ofcourse why I came here to type more
06:41 <Lucifer> people that don't learn to use good notation in math wind up liberal arts people
06:41 <GodTodd> tired after 8 pages?
06:41 <GodTodd> wow
06:41 <Stewie-arma> good thing I wont be either
06:41 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd the cookie Stewie-arma was too lazy to earn
06:41 <armabot> I have sent the cookie Stewie-arma was too lazy to earn to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
06:41 <GodTodd> :D
06:41 <Stewie-arma> GodTodd you should know I am lazy by now
06:41 <Stewie-arma> and a procrastinator
06:42 <Lucifer> back on the subject before we were so rudely interupted, GodTodd (hi there!) , I figure a game of freeciv to 2000 AD with a 30 second timeout should take about 4 hours
06:42 <Lucifer> assuming the game stops there
06:42 <GodTodd> that 8 pages makes my 375 or so page novel seem....
06:42 <GodTodd> well...large :)
06:42 <Lucifer> after that, every turn is 30 seconds, and one turn is one year
06:42 <Stewie-arma> GodTodd you're typing a novel?
06:43 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: he's also conceptualizing it and crafting it
06:43 <Stewie-arma> WHAT!?!?
06:43 <GodTodd> Stewie-arma: typ*ed*
06:43 <Stewie-arma> THAT'S UN HEARD OF!
06:43 <Lucifer> yep, the UN has heard of it
06:43 <Stewie-arma> if I could have proper grammar it would even make sense, what I said that is
06:43 <GodTodd> that's the one that i'm querying...when i get a chance number 2 is still percolating :)
06:44 <Stewie-arma> #quote
06:44 <GodTodd> Lucifer: they go 1 year per turn in 2000?
06:44 <GodTodd> in civ2 it was at 1850
06:44 <Lucifer> GodTodd: that starts in 1900 actually
06:44 <Stewie-arma> WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
06:44 <Lucifer> well, they're not exact.  Civ2 used to also go to months somewhere around the middle of the 1900s
06:44 <Lucifer> quarters, anyway
06:45 <GodTodd> not my civ2
06:45 <Lucifer> that was one of the reason tech costs doubled
06:45 <Lucifer> I may be thinking civ1
06:45  * Stewie-arma is still stuck on AoE2
06:45 <Lucifer> probably am, didn't play much civ2
06:45 <GodTodd> yeah...civ1 might have
06:45 <GodTodd> i played the hell outta civ2
06:45 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <Lucifer> I found the code that tells you the year/turn computation algorithm
06:45 <Lucifer> in common/game.c, around line 440
06:45 <Stewie-arma> blah blah blah civ civ civ blah blah blah blah
06:46 <Lucifer> this is in beta6
06:46 <Lucifer>  /ignore Stewie-arma
06:46 <Stewie-arma> hey, the catholic church is right!
06:46 <Lucifer> in case you wanted to double-check my math.  the whole world (besides stewie-arma) knows I'm horrible with arithmetic
06:46 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:47 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer you know I have been gone a long time
06:47 <Stewie-arma> people forget
06:47 <Lucifer> you're about to be gone a long time again :)
06:47  * GodTodd has known that for nigh on a decade and a half or so ;)
06:47 <Lucifer> so quit annoying me
06:47 <Stewie-arma> I am lol
06:47 <Stewie-arma> we should all become Calvinist...
06:48  * GodTodd would prefer to be Hobbesist
06:48  * Lucifer continues to be a Turdist
06:48  * GodTodd is probably dating himself with a calvin and hobbes reference :/
06:48 <Stewie-arma> naw I got it
06:48 <Lucifer> nah, I thought the same thing
06:49 <Lucifer> but I got scared today when my wife didn't understand a PHB reference
06:49 <Stewie-arma> hmmm
06:49 <GodTodd> phb? (just got home from watching the killing fields...might be a bit catholic...er...slow)
06:50 <Lucifer> pointy-haired boss
06:50 <GodTodd> ah
06:50 <GodTodd> haha
06:50 <Lucifer> she's probably going to work at HEB, and she said they'd pay for her to go to school (which is cool)
06:51 <Lucifer> then she speculated that they'd only pay for a business degree
06:51 <GodTodd> hrmm...depends
06:51 <Lucifer> at which I told her she'd be a pointy-haired boss, and we'd be permanently and irreconcilably incompatible
06:51 <GodTodd> haha
06:51  * GodTodd gets that strip emailed everyday.
06:51 <Lucifer> and she said "What's a pointy-haired boss?"
06:52 <GodTodd> did you say it's a boss with pointy hair?
06:52 <GodTodd> :)
06:52 <Lucifer> no, she got enough of the connotations (and knows me well enough) to know what i meant
06:52 <Lucifer> amazing how that works, but it would be helpful if she was more acquainted with the source
06:52 <GodTodd> heh
06:53 <GodTodd> truly
06:56 <GodTodd> i really want to write this next book :/
06:56 <GodTodd> dammit
06:56 <Lucifer> then write it
06:56 <spidey> Lucifer: ping
06:56 <Stewie-arma> what was the first one about?
06:56 <Lucifer> spidey: dong
06:56 <spidey> can you see teamchat in armagetron as a spectator?
06:56 <Lucifer> no
06:56 <GodTodd> i want to devote more attention to it than i have time to right now :/
06:56 <spidey> gay
06:56 <Lucifer> you're not on a team when you're a spectator
06:56 <spidey> heh
06:57 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ah, same problem I have with eugenics
06:57 <GodTodd> Stewie-arma: weren't you listening? it's about 375 pages
06:57  * Stewie-arma loves the teamchat viewing on trem
06:57 <GodTodd> Lucifer: yep
06:57  * Lucifer is truly laughing out loud
06:57 <Stewie-arma> Todd the subject is 375 pages?
06:57 <GodTodd> roughly
06:57 <GodTodd> tho i stretch it in spots
06:57 <Stewie-arma> nice
06:57 <Lucifer> well, there's subplots and shit
06:57 <GodTodd> yeah
06:57 <Lucifer> and there's a page intentionally left blank
06:57 <GodTodd> OB love story and all
06:57 <Stewie-arma> aww what are the subplots of 375 pages?
06:58 <GodTodd> hard telling...some pages have plot *and* subplot
06:58 <Stewie-arma> e gad
06:58 <GodTodd> probably couple hundred pages anyway
06:58 <Lucifer> there's even some pages with 3 characters on them
06:59 <Stewie-arma> OEG!!! 3 characters on one page?
06:59 <Lucifer> man, I need a new story to write
06:59 <GodTodd> i might even do a rewrite of that book
06:59 <GodTodd> better it up a bit
06:59 <GodTodd> sometime
06:59 <Stewie-arma> an authors edition?
06:59 <GodTodd> :/
06:59 <Lucifer> I'm really down because the story I was going to write turned out to already be told, and I had the misfortune of reading that book right after i started mine :(
06:59 <GodTodd> no...i'm a writer not an auther
06:59 <GodTodd> author*
06:59 <Stewie-arma> YOU WILL BECOME ONE DARN IT!
07:00 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i hate when that happens
07:00 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: nah, author is a fancy way of saying "pretentious writer"
07:00 <Stewie-arma> is he not?
07:00 <Lucifer> no, he's not
07:00 <Stewie-arma> awwww
07:00 <GodTodd> nah...author is someone who is *paid* to be a pretentious writer
07:00 <Lucifer> think about it, he doesn't say he's going to write a book and then take 15 years to write a prologue
07:00 <Lucifer> he says he's going to write a book, and then writes it
07:00 <Lucifer> secondly, he doesn't write a book and then claim it's art
07:01 <GodTodd> i *could* salinger it....
07:01 <Lucifer> I could salinate it too
07:01 <GodTodd> that gives me 20 years or so to write a second one :)
07:01 <Lucifer> er, thats not waht you said
07:01 <Lucifer> so the two reasons people become pretentious writers don't apply to him
07:01 <Lucifer> see?
07:01  * GodTodd wonders if schools still recommend catcher in the rye...
07:02  * Lucifer tries to avoid reading books recommended by schools
07:02  * Stewie-arma tries to avoid books recommended by Lucifer
07:02 <GodTodd> dammit...i wanna be a pretentious writer
07:02 <GodTodd> :(
07:02 <Lucifer> then claim your writing is art
07:02  * GodTodd prints up a manuscript and frames it
07:02 <Lucifer> or do what the really annoying psycho chick in my speech class does
07:02 <GodTodd> there...art :)
07:02 <Lucifer> "I'm writing a novel, and I've been working on it for seven years..."
07:03 <Stewie-arma> btw what was the story of your book GodTodd?
07:03 <Lucifer> it was about some damn high school kid who kept asking really lame questions
07:03 <Lucifer> got his ass kicked, iirc
07:03 <GodTodd> i had worked on mine for 3 years...then i sat down one summer and wrote the goddamned thing
07:03 <Stewie-arma> nice
07:03 <GodTodd> think it took around 6 weeks of constant writing
07:03 <Stewie-arma> ??
07:03 <Stewie-arma> woops
07:04 <Stewie-arma> in that summer?
07:04 <Lucifer> well, good stories take awhile to form, but, man, I'm so sick of people telling me they're authors because they've been writing the *same* book for 8 years
07:04 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i agree
07:04 <Stewie-arma> I'm an author
07:04 <Stewie-arma> I've been writing the same word for 10 years
07:04 <Stewie-arma> infact
07:04 <GodTodd> that's why i had to do it...i was becoming one of those people and i *detest* them
07:04 <Lucifer> maybe if we were still stuck in penland that would be reasonable, but not in our computerized era
07:04 <Lucifer> haha
07:05 <Lucifer> well, I've now abandoned two books in my adult life after actually starting them
07:05 <GodTodd> and i learned a lot from it even though it's only moderately passable
07:05 <Lucifer> the first one just got dumb in the first 20 pages
07:05 <Lucifer> see, that's the thing
07:05  * Stewie-arma can't write shit...
07:05 <Lucifer> it's why those asshats will never become published writers, in fact ;)
07:05 <Stewie-arma> it turns out looking like shir
07:05 <GodTodd> i've got an 80 page one that i'm stuck on still...maybe i'll revisit that one
07:06 <Lucifer> every writer that i've read tells you you have to write somewhere near 1,000,000 words before you can claim to be writer, and before you'll have something someone thinks is publishable
07:06 <GodTodd> another is stuck around 45 pages
07:06 <GodTodd> yeah...i've read that a lot too
07:06 <Stewie-arma> I can't write books
07:06 <Lucifer> well, it's one thing to start a bunch of books and cycle through them, working on them a little at a time, too
07:06 <Lucifer> that's what piers anthony does
07:06 <Stewie-arma> I can't even write a 10 page essay
07:06 <GodTodd> and that even if you write a novel and immediately burn it, it's valuable because you will have learned a lot
07:06 <Lucifer> and I guarantee you he didn't start that way, putting out 3 books a year
07:06 <Stewie-arma> with out it being extremely boring
07:07 <Lucifer> maybe he's not still doing it, but he was for awhile
07:07 <GodTodd> piers tried linux for a while
07:07 <Lucifer> did he really?  I hadn't heard that
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah
07:07 <Stewie-arma> OEG
07:07 <GodTodd> he didn't like it tho
07:07 <Stewie-arma> I g2g
07:07 <GodTodd> but he *hates* winders
07:07 <Lucifer> wtf is OEG?
07:07 <Stewie-arma> Oh Everyones God
07:07 <Lucifer> of course he hates winders
07:07 <Stewie-arma> lol
07:08 <Lucifer> the good authors all use macs :)
07:08  * Stewie-arma uses mac...
07:08  * Stewie-arma isn't a good author
07:08  * Stewie-arma isn't an author
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...on the many books at a time thing..didn't he write one book completely in the margins of another?
07:08 <Lucifer> I didn't say everyone who uses a mac is a good author
07:08 <Lucifer> pretty much, he did that all the time
07:08 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer thus why I'm not a good author
07:08 <Lucifer> at any point in time, he was working on three books
07:09 <Lucifer> and his notes were all kind of jumbled together, so he'd have to go through and factor them every now and then
07:09 <Lucifer> neat stuff
07:09 <GodTodd> i liked xanth...till i wasn't in high school anymore
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer> same here
07:09 <Lucifer> I tried to read more xanth when i was like 20, and just got sick of it
07:09 <GodTodd> same here
07:09 <Lucifer> never read any more piers anthony after that
07:09 <Lucifer> not sure why
07:09 <GodTodd> once in a while i go to his site to see if he's still alive
07:09 <Lucifer> wait, I read the Bio of a Tyrant series as an adult
07:10 <Lucifer> Bio of a space tyrant*
07:10 <Lucifer> that's probably what turned me off to him completely
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07:10 <GodTodd> never did read that one
07:10 <Lucifer> his books are great for teenagers, and I'll gladly recommend them to my own kids
07:10 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <Lucifer> and that's about as much as I'm willin to do now :)
07:10 <GodTodd> apprentice adept was good
07:10 <Lucifer> didn't try reading that as an adult
07:11 <GodTodd> nor have i
07:11 <Lucifer> but see, I'm so sick of magic and shit now
07:11 <GodTodd> and i might should keep it that way...i remember it fondly :)
07:11 <Lucifer> there's so much that writers lose in the story when they get lost in the magic and myth and shit
07:11 <GodTodd> nah...i could read the belgariad and mallorean over and over
07:11 <GodTodd> matter of fact, i have :)
07:12 <Lucifer> those are good stories, though
07:12 <GodTodd> strong characters
07:12 <Lucifer> they don't get lost in the magic and myth and shit, he's a very good writer
07:12 <GodTodd> that's what makes it
07:12 <Lucifer> well, strong in the belgariad
07:12 <GodTodd> they are*
07:12 <Lucifer> in the  mallorean they were all copies of one another
07:12 <GodTodd> he's admitted his wife did about as much writing on it as he did
07:12 <Lucifer> oh yeah, sorry, forot he finally started crediting his wife ;)
07:12 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <Lucifer> well, at the time they were both unpublished, and publishers don't like team books from unknowns
07:13 <GodTodd> yeah...the mallorean is pretty much another belgariad with slight differences
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <GodTodd> silk was da bomb
07:13 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <GodTodd> heh
07:13 <Lucifer> yeah, the mallorean was like cheap sequel
07:14 <GodTodd> not so cheap when i was buying them :P
07:14 <Lucifer> he still managed to get into a good story, the portions revolving around the Emporer of Mallorea made the whole series worth reading
07:14 <GodTodd> definitely
07:14 <GodTodd> the king of the murgos was interesting too
07:14 <Lucifer> and seeing a deeper look into Cthol Murgos and their culture really put them into perspective
07:15 <GodTodd> because of the irony
07:15 <Lucifer> heh
07:15 <GodTodd> a drasnian leading the murgos....that was awesome :)
07:16 <GodTodd> but again...notice the parts you liked...it's characterization making the story
07:17 <GodTodd> the eddings' are great studies in how to create characters
07:17 <Lucifer> yeah, and then blow off developing them
07:17 <Lucifer> I'm actually mad at him for blending them all into the same character in that series
07:17 <Lucifer> in the belgariad they were all distinct characters, but somewhere in the middle of the first book in the mallorean, they all became the same character
07:17 <Lucifer> really irritating
07:17 <GodTodd> well...yeah...i think he got kinda lazy in that series
07:18 <GodTodd> i think he was tired of it, really
07:19 <GodTodd> he got lazy all around there...the prophecy was pretty much the same...essentially the same task (stones instead of a god)...etc
07:20 <Lucifer> he had some loose ends to tie up, but I don't know that he had to go all into another huge series
07:20 <Lucifer> he could've gone into the biography of Belgarath and tied them up there instead
07:20 <GodTodd> if i didn't know better, i'd swear he mailed the mallorean in
07:20 <GodTodd> just so people would quit requesting more
07:21 <GodTodd> er...phoned it in...whatever the correct cliche there is :)
07:21 <Lucifer> I swear he should've gone into prequels instead of writing the mallorean
07:22 <GodTodd> i agree
07:22 <Lucifer> I've always wanted a book on Maragor
07:22 <GodTodd> ain't agunna happen
07:22 <GodTodd> heh
07:22 <Lucifer> now, going back to the Shannarra books, though, I found the Heritage series does a really good job of getting into the people and the theme
07:22 <Lucifer> he finally stopped getting lost in the magic and myth
07:23 <Lucifer> he started getting the hang of it sometime in the Wishsong, but he really nailed it in the Heritage books
07:23 <GodTodd> i still have to read the latest shanarras
07:23 <Lucifer> I haven't read anything past the heritage books
07:23 <GodTodd> we have them all
07:23 <GodTodd> karen loves them
07:23 <Lucifer> well, I read the one where they make the sword.  That was a good book too.
07:23 <GodTodd> is that first king?
07:23 <GodTodd> the prequel?
07:23 <Lucifer> tells about Bremen, allanon makes his first appearance
07:24 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one
07:24 <GodTodd> yeah
07:24 <Lucifer> really good book, in fact
07:24 <GodTodd> that's the next one i have to read
07:24 <Lucifer> read it xxx times :)
07:24 <GodTodd> once i get a chance :/
07:24 <Lucifer> well, between that and the heritage books, you finally figure out what's so important about the sword itself
07:24 <Lucifer> and it all finally comes together nicely
07:25 <Lucifer> so you finish it and say "I can't believe the Sword of Shannarra sucked so bad"
07:25 <GodTodd> i might have to reread the heritage books
07:25 <Lucifer> literally, you think the sword and elfstones are the best books in the series until you finally figure it out
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer> then you realize they weren't *that8 good, in fact they weren't good at all!  ;)
07:25 <Lucifer> 726 pages of "one foot in front of the other"
07:26 <GodTodd> yep...that's how i remember it
07:26 <Lucifer> I'm traumatized by it
07:26 <GodTodd> haha
07:26 <Lucifer> I think I like the elfstones because it was half the size :)
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah the other books were a breeze once you got through terry's tolstoy impression
07:26 <Lucifer> his characters didn't start picking up that third dimension until the wishsong
07:27 <Lucifer> so his story was lacking that all-important human element until then
07:27 <GodTodd> i remember brin being really hot on the cover ;)
07:27 <Lucifer> but then the whole deal with brin and her brother, that whole interaction, just makes my day
07:27 <Lucifer> yeah, chicks are always hot on the cover of fantasy/sci fi books
07:28 <GodTodd> yeah...probably a lot of the reasone they're popular with teen boys ;)
07:28 <GodTodd> reason*
07:28 <Lucifer> I think the biggest reason I like the Heritage books is because he finally tells a fantasy story in a science fiction way :)
07:28 <Lucifer> when I finally got the environmentalist tree-hugging theme in the book, it was one of those days that starts the rest of your life
07:28 <GodTodd> haha
07:29 <GodTodd> should i reread the heritage books first or do first king then reread?
07:29 <Lucifer> seriously!  All these fantasy stories that get into the magic and myth and shit and have no relevance in any way to anything that matters really get on my nerves
07:30 <Lucifer> well, the heritage books take awhile to read
07:30 <Lucifer> you have to read in detail
07:30 <Lucifer> first king is a breeze, it's his easiest writing ever
07:30 <Lucifer> even easier to read than Hook
07:30 <GodTodd> heh
07:30 <GodTodd> don't remind him of hook
07:30 <GodTodd> he hated that
07:30 <Lucifer> I think he gave up trying to be all melodramatic in that book
07:30 <Lucifer> I don't blame him, I hated it too :)
07:30 <GodTodd> i have a book by him about writing
07:30 <Lucifer> the writing is on the order of the magic kingdom books, actually
07:30 <GodTodd> it's a good book
07:31 <GodTodd> they're making that into a movie too
07:31 <GodTodd> he's about to roll in dough
07:31 <GodTodd> (like he's not already)
07:31 <Lucifer> I'll bet the magic kingdom books will rock as movies
07:32 <GodTodd> yeah...i think they will
07:32 <GodTodd> as long as they do them right
07:32 <Lucifer> I think it would take a *lot* for hollywood to screw them up
07:32 <Lucifer> well, the first one anyway
07:32 <GodTodd> tho i can't imagine being able to mess them up
07:32 <GodTodd> heh
07:32 <Lucifer> the other two they could easily screw up, probably
07:33 <GodTodd> they stopping at the first 3 you think?
07:33 <Lucifer> there's more after that?
07:33 <GodTodd> yep
07:33 <GodTodd> there's 5 or 6 total
07:33 <GodTodd> maybe 7
07:33  * Lucifer is starting to show how long it's been since he even went inside the fantasy aisle of a book store.
07:33 <GodTodd> don't remember
07:34 <Lucifer> I thought he'd pretty much ended the series in the third book, but maybe he pulled a xanthony and kept going
07:34 <Lucifer> hey, remember that conversation we had about pretentious alien races?
07:35 <Lucifer> you know, where writers seem to get lost in alien names, but they're casting the alien race as a shallow archetype anyway?
07:35 <GodTodd> thing is...i haven't been in a fantasy iasle(except half price books) in years
07:35 <GodTodd> aisle*
07:35 <GodTodd> yeah
07:36 <Lucifer> http://www.webscription.net/p-88-the-course-of-empire.aspx
07:36 <Lucifer> it's in the free library, so you can just read it :)
07:36 <Lucifer> unless you badly want to read some other book, this is the one I'd recommend right now
07:37 <Lucifer> it totally breaks the mold for sci-fi ilens, it's awesome
07:37 <Lucifer> I want *every* sci-fi author to write their alien races to those standards
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:43 <GodTodd> ffs...wtf is up with the cyan on bright babyshit yellow???
07:45 <GodTodd> ah...there's currently 5 MKFSS books
07:45 <GodTodd> but...
07:45 <GodTodd> Future Writings
07:45 <GodTodd> Terry Brooks plans to write another (so far unnamed) novel in the Magic Kingdom series later this year, after he finishes writing the third volume in the Genesis of Shannara trilogy.
07:47 <Lucifer> man, I love hard boiled eggs
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14:31 <flex> greetings :)
14:32 <luke-jr> hi
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16:35 <spidey> that luke-jr${noob} guy
16:35 <spidey> he sux
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17:34 <luke-jr> u sux
17:36 <spidey> u
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18:29 <spidey> luke smells like GodTodd's vagina
18:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
18:29 <spidey> ORLU?!
18:29 <spidey> -U+T
18:29 <@luke-jr> wtf
18:30 <spidey> ftw?
18:30  * luke-jr sets mode +s spidey
18:30 <spidey> ...
18:30 <spidey> luke-jr: civ
18:30 <Gursikh> now do +q
18:30 <Gursikh> >_>
18:30 <@luke-jr> +s = sit-in-the-corner
18:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
18:30 <spidey> Gursikh: this is freenode
18:30 <Gursikh> I know
18:30  * luke-jr notes spidey is the only who has taken 2 days to click Turn Done
18:30 <spidey> they don't have +q
18:30 <Gursikh> yes they do
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18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %spidey!*@*] by luke-jr
18:31 <@luke-jr> clearly they do
18:31 <Gursikh> +q = +%b
18:31 <@luke-jr> Gursikh: wtf?
18:31 <Gursikh> see? that shut him up
18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %spidey!*@*] by luke-jr
18:31 <spidey> ...
18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
18:31 <Gursikh> +q = mute
18:31 <spidey> freenodes +q is lame
18:31 <luke-jr> FreeNode's +q is +q :þ
18:31 <Gursikh> yah
18:31 <luke-jr> so spidey
18:31 <spidey> freenode's +q is lame
18:31 <luke-jr> you gonna ever press Turn Done?
18:32 <spidey> i've been playing for the past 2 days
18:32 <spidey> xD
18:32 <luke-jr> liar
18:32 <spidey> ...
18:32 <spidey> i have
18:32 <spidey> me and wired
18:32 <luke-jr> o
18:32 <spidey> since you wouldn't set allowtake
18:32 <spidey> :p
18:32 <luke-jr> I timed out and didn't notice
18:32 <spidey> not on your server
18:32 <luke-jr> so I need to restore the savegame..
18:32 <spidey> i'm running one
18:32 <spidey> no
18:33 <spidey> because you didn't set allow take
18:33 <spidey> :P
18:33 <luke-jr> whatever
18:33 <spidey> u
18:33 <luke-jr> u
18:33 <spidey> no u
18:33 <luke-jr> civ?
18:33 <spidey> xfiles?
18:33 <luke-jr> civ?
18:33 <luke-jr> X-Files Civ
18:33 <luke-jr> :o
18:33 <spidey> i've neglected teh xfiles
18:33 <luke-jr> so what
18:33 <luke-jr> they're not going anywhere
18:33 <spidey> so what?!?!?!
18:33 <spidey> they are to!
18:33 <luke-jr> …
18:33 <luke-jr> ci
18:33 <luke-jr> v
18:34  * Gursikh files them away
18:34 <spidey> my slave hdd is starting to sprout legs
18:34 <luke-jr> Gursikh: civ
18:34 <spidey> only thing keeping it in place is the ata cabl
18:34 <Gursikh> uhm never played?
18:34 <spidey> cable
18:34 <spidey> :(
18:34 <Gursikh> what protocol is netwrok play oveR?
18:34 <luke-jr> TCP
18:34 <spidey> ..
18:34 <spidey> it's a RTS turn based game
18:34 <Gursikh> i'm in class right now, this school's network blocks all udp
18:35 <luke-jr> it's fscking TCP I just said
18:35 <Gursikh> yah yah, just explaining myself dude
18:35 <Gursikh> can I apt-get it?
18:35 <luke-jr> yes
18:35 <luke-jr> do they block TCP port 5555?
18:35 <luke-jr> if so, I can PAT it
18:35 <luke-jr> spidey: civ
18:35 <Gursikh> guess we'll find out
18:36 <spidey> u
18:36 <Gursikh> or we can wait till I get home in 20 mins
18:37 <Gursikh> ok, i'm aptgetting. I guess I will expect ownage and ridicule from you guys till I learn how to play sometime next year?
18:37 <spidey> well
18:37 <spidey> not from luke
18:37 <spidey> he sucks
18:38 <luke-jr> not anymore
18:38 <spidey> and as long as you're one of those guys that listens, it'll be fine :P
18:38 <spidey> luke-jr: just cause you can kill some ai's doesn't mean you don't suck
18:38 <spidey> Lucifer: does luke-jr${noob}suck at freeciv?
18:38 <luke-jr> spidey: hachi 5555 luser
18:39 <spidey> u
18:39 <luke-jr> I did
18:39 <Gursikh> ok i'll be back in like 10 mins to play
18:39 <spidey> for some reason
18:39 <Gursikh> drive home quick >_>
18:39 <spidey> hachi doesn't work for me anymore
18:40 <luke-jr> cuz your DHCP reloaded your DNS config
18:40 <luke-jr> :þ
18:40 <luke-jr> add .dashjr.org
18:40 <spidey> ?
18:40 <luke-jr> Gursikh: why
18:40 <Gursikh> class over
18:40 <luke-jr> so?
18:40 <Gursikh> home time
18:40 <luke-jr> …
18:40 <Gursikh> no more clasases today
18:40 <luke-jr> what if we don't wait?
18:41 <Gursikh> oh well?
18:41 <spidey> LIES
18:41 <luke-jr> spidey: is jabber.org totally down?
18:42 <spidey> YES
18:42 <spidey> -caps
18:42 <spidey> because they're lame
18:42 <spidey> o
18:42 <spidey> they're up
18:42 <spidey> why aren't you online?
18:43 <luke-jr> they're not up
18:43 <luke-jr> at least their s2s end is down
18:43 <spidey> are so
18:43 <spidey> i'm on it
18:43 <spidey> and see anjori
18:43 <luke-jr> and you can talk to people not @jabber.org?
18:43 <spidey> guess not :D
18:43 <luke-jr> :þ
18:43 <spidey> as i said
18:43 <spidey> find me a short stupid domain :P
18:44 <spidey> so i can run my own jabber server >.>
18:44 <luke-jr> I did
18:44 <luke-jr> why don't you use fallin-angels.org?
18:44 <spidey> even my p2 box is more reliable than jabber.org
18:44 <spidey> :S
18:44 <spidey> 'cause i don't have dns control over it like i did fallin-angels.net and fallin-angels.com
18:44 <spidey> :P
18:44 <luke-jr> so get it
18:44 <luke-jr> :þ
18:45 <spidey> and the free dns host thing anjori is using doesn't serv svr records
18:45 <luke-jr> stupid anjori
18:45 <spidey> heh
18:45 <luke-jr> I think everydns.net does
18:46 <spidey> luke-jr: my brother broke my gentoo backup disk =/.
18:46 <luke-jr> spidey: so make him pay for it
18:46 <luke-jr> :þ
18:46 <spidey> heh
18:47 <spidey> we should get free 100mbit broadband lines
18:47 <spidey> like japan has :(
18:47 <luke-jr> um
18:47 <luke-jr> not free
18:47 <luke-jr> dork
18:52 <luke-jr> Gursikh:
18:52 <luke-jr> Gursikh:
18:55 <Gursikh> hmm?
18:56 <Gursikh> host?
18:56 <Gursikh> luke-jr:
18:56 <Gursikh> luke-jr:
18:56 <Gursikh> spidey:
18:56 <Gursikh> ?
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> ?
18:56 <Gursikh> game?
18:57 <luke-jr> hachi.dashjr.org 5555
19:07 <Gursikh> yeah totally not doing anything
19:13 <Gursikh> bah wtf crashed
19:14 <spidey> freeciv is buggy
19:14 <Gursikh> ...
19:14 <spidey> especially the windows client
19:15 <Gursikh> i'm on ubuntu
19:18 <luke-jr> Gursikh: hurry up
19:18 <Gursikh> blargh
19:20 <Gursikh> I have no clue what to do
19:20 <Gursikh> i'm just clicking randomly
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19:30 <spidey> Gursikh: ever play civilization?
19:30 <Gursikh> nope
19:30 <spidey> =/
19:30  * Gursikh didnt play many games before trem
19:30 <Gursikh> played armagetron and doom in highschool, other than NES, that's about it
19:31 <Gursikh> <-- not much of a gamer
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19:36 <MrBougo> http://www.basicinstructions.net/images/30cheat.gif
19:36 <MrBougo> haha
19:37 <Gursikh> yeah dude's totally not my kind of game
19:42 <MrBougo> http://www.basicinstructions.net/2007/09/how-to-seem-smart.html
19:42 <MrBougo> haha awesome
19:42 <MrBougo> love the 4th panel
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20:15 <spidey> #send Gursikh anthrax
20:15 <armabot> I have sent anthrax to Gursikh, it should arrive shortly.
20:15 <luke-jr> …
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #help send
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
20:17 <luke-jr> lol
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #send luke-jr some sunscreen
20:17 <armabot> I have sent some sunscreen to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
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20:39 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v osted with li
20:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “osted with li” at the moment, sorry.
20:39 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v s} c
20:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map ( running 0.2.8_alpha20070609 unix dedic, url: http://www.DeliciousDesserts.co.nr, Description: “Keep it a fun environment for everyone! Happily hosted with LightFoot!“, No online players.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: nice advertising
20:42 <luke-jr> eh?
20:52 <guru3> anyone with a jabber account on a server that supports cross server messaging?
21:00 <luke-jr> um
21:00 <luke-jr> what server doesn't?
21:01 <luke-jr> translation: pretty much all of us
21:02 <luke-jr> guru3:
21:03 <guru3> well my uni has setup jabber
21:03 <guru3> and i want to see if i can message off server
21:04 <luke-jr> what JID?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@jabber.org
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no clue what that server supports
21:04 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: bad example
21:04 <wrtlprnft> all i know is that it regularily drops my connection
21:04 <luke-jr> jabber.org is currently broken
21:05 <luke-jr> yeah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> broken from a luke-jr point of view? that can't be too bad
21:05 <luke-jr> jabber.org sucks ☹
21:05 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: broken on s2s
21:05 <luke-jr> which is exactly what guru3 wants to test
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21:06 <luke-jr> guru3?
21:06 <luke-jr> jid?
21:06 <MrBougo> install of kubuntu was a TOTAL FAILURE
21:06 <MrBougo> fuck grub
21:06 <luke-jr> told you
21:07 <MrBougo> luke-jr: was not because of kubuntu itself
21:07 <luke-jr> grub works fine
21:07 <MrBougo> but because of grub
21:07 <MrBougo> yea, grub writes more than it should on the MBR
21:07 <MrBougo> it totally messed up my dell mbr
21:07 <luke-jr> nonsense
21:07 <guru3> nm
21:07 <guru3> alreayd found it works
21:07 <luke-jr> your "Dell MBR" is broken
21:08 <luke-jr> guru3: yeah, so what JID so I can add you?
21:08 <MrBougo> and it freaking installed itself on the TWO DISKS
21:08  * wrtlprnft has a dell and grub works
21:08 <pavelo> can't you install it somewhere else ?
21:08 <MrBougo> on the... TWO... disks
21:08 <wrtlprnft> but i wrote the config file myself :)
21:08 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: did you install grub in the mbr?
21:08 <MrBougo> the damn thing about dell is the damn mediadirect thingy
21:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:08 <wrtlprnft> well, fuck the mediadirect thingy
21:08 <MrBougo> yup
21:09 <MrBougo> but i prefer having a normal system
21:09 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: is your touchpad a synaptic one?
21:09 <luke-jr> mediadirect is just a minimal Linux anyway
21:09 <luke-jr> MrBougo: synaptic works on most
21:09 <MrBougo> luke-jr: and it requires an "extended" mbr
21:09 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i know
21:09 <MrBougo> but mine is an ALPS
21:09  * wrtlprnft wonders if he ever booted the windows partition on his notebook
21:09 <MrBougo> fuck ALPS
21:09 <MrBougo> there's a bug in the linux kernel
21:10 <MrBougo> it doesnt identify ALPS touchpads
21:10 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: dunno, actually, but i suspect it is
21:10 <MrBougo> so i get a nice "PS/2 Generic"
21:10 <MrBougo> synaptic are better touchpads
21:10 <MrBougo> i think
21:10 <MrBougo> at least the drivers aren't shit
21:10 <wrtlprnft> scrolling doesn't work with my touchpad
21:10 <MrBougo> that's it
21:10 <wrtlprnft> but tapping does, that's enough for me
21:10 <MrBougo> and mid-button simulation?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> sort of
21:10 <MrBougo> i hate tapping :p
21:11 <MrBougo> disabled it
21:11 <wrtlprnft> if i plug in a mouse and unplug it again it stops working
21:11 <wrtlprnft> don't ask me why
21:11 <MrBougo> haha
21:11 <MrBougo> blame the kernel
21:11 <luke-jr> MrBougo: the linux kernel doesn't care about what touchpad it is idiot
21:11 <MrBougo> is it an inspiron 1420 something?
21:11  * wrtlprnft blames the kernel
21:11 <wrtlprnft> 640m
21:11 <MrBougo> oh
21:11 <MrBougo> because dell relesed a fix for 1420 something
21:11 <wrtlprnft> right now the middle button thing doesn't work
21:11 <MrBougo> for deb base linuxes though
21:12 <luke-jr> btw
21:12 <MrBougo> mh?
21:12 <luke-jr> it's  not Linux's fault you bought a laptop with buggy and poorly supported hardware
21:12 <luke-jr> I warned you
21:12 <MrBougo> hehe
21:12 <MrBougo> :p
21:12 <MrBougo> np
21:12 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll follow http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad
21:12 <wrtlprnft> see if it improves things
21:12 <MrBougo> there's a bug with grub, isnt there?
21:13 <MrBougo> if you install it on the sec. drive
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i only have one drive
21:13 <MrBougo> it goes (hd0,0) even if its the 2nd drive
21:14 <wrtlprnft> did you check whether grub's drives are in the same order as linux's?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i had a system that had /dev/hda1 → (hd1,0) and /dev/hdb1 → (hd0,0)
21:14 <MrBougo> ouchy
21:14 <MrBougo> gotta map, then?
21:15 <MrBougo> well, i dont know
21:15 <MrBougo> the disk on which grub was installed was (hd0,0)
21:15 <MrBougo> um (hd0) i mean
21:15 <wrtlprnft> well, the system changed since then, now it's the same order
21:15 <MrBougo> and it installed on the two disks
21:15 <MrBougo> how did this change
21:15 <MrBougo> grub cant be random
21:16 <wrtlprnft> that pc is totally messed up, anyways. won't recognize my sata disks unless i hotplug them. luckily i never reboot it
21:16 <MrBougo> i hate how most computers don't have a floppy drive anymore
21:16  * wrtlprnft hasn't used a floppy in ages
21:16 <MrBougo> aw
21:16 <wrtlprnft> my server still has a floppy drive
21:16 <MrBougo> boot floppies are uber-useful
21:17 <wrtlprnft> knoppix CDs FTW
21:17 <MrBougo> AHA
21:17 <MrBougo> i hate grub
21:17 <MrBougo> hatehatehate
21:17 <wrtlprnft> start knoppix, then start grub from its command line
21:17 <MrBougo> or make a grub bootable cd :/
21:17 <MrBougo> oh god
21:18 <MrBougo> installing some kilobytes on a 700 megs cd
21:18 <MrBougo> tell me what's wrong
21:18 <MrBougo> oh, i could install grub on an UBCD
21:18 <MrBougo> do you know about that UBCD?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> fill the rest with pr0n
21:18 <MrBougo> hehe
21:18 <MrBougo> i dont have any
21:18 <wrtlprnft> i know there's mini CD thingies
21:19 <MrBougo> haha
21:19 <MrBougo> cd's are cheaper
21:19 <MrBougo> why would i buy a mini cd
21:19 <wrtlprnft> but no clue what UBCD is
21:19 <MrBougo> Ultimate Boot CD
21:19 <wrtlprnft> because it fits inside a floppy drive?
21:19 <MrBougo> it's nice
21:19 <MrBougo> full of tools
21:19 <MrBougo> muh, it fits in a floppy drive
21:20 <MrBougo> but it wont work :p
21:20 <MrBougo> whateva
21:20 <MrBougo> eek, gotta run
21:20 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:20 <MrBougo> cya!
21:20 <MrBougo> gnight
21:20 <MrBougo> err
21:20 <wrtlprnft> run to bed!
21:20 <MrBougo> CTCP is the end of communication
21:20 <MrBougo> bye :p
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21:20 <wrtlprnft> same time zone
21:21  * luke-jr pokes guru3
21:29 <spidey> #night
21:30 <armabot> Good night spidey!
21:52 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
21:52 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 86.2°F (2:52 PM CDT on October 10, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
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21:52 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:52 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 51.6°F (2:48 PM CDT on October 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa (Falling).
21:52 <ghableska> D:
21:54 <wrtlprnft> is there anyone actually developing GNOME? :(
21:55 <wrtlprnft> it's disappointing if you provide them with a patch for a two year old bug and noone even bothers to reply: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155974
21:55 <ghableska> :o
22:02 <epsy> they need to pay patchers
22:02 <epsy> could be a good job
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #later tell MrBougo* I just restarted X, the touchpad works perfectly. scrolling and all that. synclient works, too, so i'll do some tweaking so noone but me can use the touchpad :D
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:21 <Lucifer> [15:19] <wrtlprnft> 22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:22 <Lucifer> I disabled the simulate three buttons with two buttons feature
22:29 <wrtlprnft> i still like it :)
22:30 <wrtlprnft> with my current config i have 7 emulated buttons without using any real buttons at all :)
22:37 <Lucifer> I love hard boiled eggs
22:38 <Lucifer> I disabled the three button simulation so I could see if there were any features hidden by it, since I have a three button mouse
22:42 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:42 <wrtlprnft> well, my mouse has three buttons, of course
22:42 <wrtlprnft> but the touchpad doesn't :(
22:43 <epsy> hmm
22:44 <Lucifer> I don't use my touchpad because it's worthless :(
22:44 <Lucifer> it's an alps pad too
22:45 <Lucifer> aha, I need to take the moment around A to eliminate the unknowns rather than introducing new ones
22:47  * epsy is bored O_o
22:50 <Lucifer> grrrr
22:50  * Lucifer was doing the problem all wrong
22:50 <wrtlprnft> how the hell do i tell opera to stop interpreting the million button-5 events i sent to it?
22:50 <epsy>  lol!
22:50 <wrtlprnft> it's cycling through its tabs for 5 minutes now
22:51 <wrtlprnft> ah, finally
22:51 <wrtlprnft> it ran out of scroll events :D
22:51  * wrtlprnft makes a mental note to himself: never do that again!
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23:06 <Lucifer> hmmmmmmmmm, tricky
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--- Day changed Thu Oct 11 2007
00:32 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wanna ping jer@jabber.org and let him know the s2s component is broken? ;)
00:34 <GodTodd> yay! Kryten has left OH :)
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03:45 <Lucifer> OH?
04:11 <Lucifer> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/10/10/28479   <--- is this why you shouldn't use antibacterial soap?
04:45 <GodTodd> OH == Ohio
04:51 <Lucifer> er, then who's Kryten?
04:51 <Lucifer> roducer David Heyman and Mike Medavoy's Phoenix Pictures have teamed to option the feature-film rights to Robert Heinlein's classic SF novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, Variety reported.
04:59 <GodTodd> Kryten is my robot butler :P
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05:09 <Lucifer> er, did you order one of them roombas?
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05:26 <Rapha_RJ> rái, nobies *-*
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05:32 <beta_aoc> hi
05:39 <Lucifer> he must have given up in #luke-jrisanasshat
05:40 <Lucifer> http://www.slate.com/id/2175569/pagenum/all/
06:49 <Lucifer> ☯
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10:46 <spidey> luke-jr:
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11:59 <luke-jr> spidey:
12:00 <spidey> u
12:00 <luke-jr> u
12:03 <spidey> u...
12:04 <luke-jr> U
12:04 <spidey> NO U
12:04 <luke-jr> SCREW U
12:04 <spidey> LOL
12:04 <luke-jr> imma watch anime
12:05 <spidey> luser
12:24 <spidey> luke-jr: what's MOO?
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13:01 <noob7> spidey: http://saucyminx.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/moo.jpg
13:02 <luke-jr> spidey: MOO is beyond your intellect
13:03 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO_programming_language
13:04 <noob7> and I just found www.moo.com - which is suprisingly cheap :D
13:10 <spidey> how much?
13:11 <spidey> luke-jr: moo doesn't look much different than c++
13:11 <spidey> ...
13:13 <noob7> spidey $7.50 for ninety unique 22mm x 22mm stickers
13:13 <spidey> lol
13:16 <luke-jr> so?
13:17 <spidey> so?
13:17 <spidey> luke-jr: how much for moo.com? :P
13:18 <luke-jr> …
13:18 <spidey> wait
13:18 <spidey> wrong person
13:19 <spidey> noob7: how much was it :P
13:19 <luke-jr> [06:16:16] <noob7> spidey $7.50 for ninety unique 22mm x 22mm stickers
13:19 <spidey> o
13:19 <noob7> I wasnt talking about the tld :p
13:19 <spidey> -.-
13:19 <luke-jr> SLD*
13:20 <luke-jr> TLD = "com"
13:20 <noob7> :/
13:22 <spidey> STD = "luke"
13:22 <spidey> luke-jr: make me breakfast
13:22 <luke-jr> no
13:23 <spidey> i haven't eaten since this time yesterday
13:23 <spidey> -.-
13:23 <luke-jr> so?
13:23 <spidey> so i'm hungry, so get on your job
13:23 <spidey> xD
13:23 <luke-jr> civ
13:23 <spidey> wanna load that save game?
13:23 <spidey> because i have homework to do and homework + freeciv = me not be bored for 2 hours
13:24 <luke-jr> 20071010-01-SpideyIsALameOldFogey ?
13:24 <spidey> ...
13:24 <luke-jr> :D
13:25 <luke-jr> connect foo
13:27 <spidey> u
13:27 <spidey> i wanna play world map
13:27 <spidey> sometime
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16:04 <spidey> Lucifer: 10 cities and i'm making 700~ gold/turn
16:04 <spidey> :D
16:32 <flex> eddiefantastic, you might want to check what's happening at CTWF
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17:02 <eddiefantastic> thanks flex, the perp has been dealt with
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17:20 <GodTodd> luke-jr: do you know this fucker or what? n=raphael@20151041198.user.veloxzone.com.br
17:41 <luke-jr> nope
17:41 <luke-jr> feel free to ban him
17:41 <luke-jr> ☺
17:46 <GodTodd> oh, i do :) i was just wondering why he seems so deadset on referring to you
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19:14 <timofonic> Hi
19:14 <timofonic> There are a bug on aa overlay
19:15 <timofonic> http://sh.nu/p/23304
19:16 <luke-jr> you mean a bug in pauludis
19:16 <luke-jr> paludis*
19:16 <timofonic> luke-jr: Are you sure?
19:16 <luke-jr> yes
19:17 <luke-jr> the - removes the mask
19:17 <timofonic> luke-jr: It looks a typo
19:17 <luke-jr> armagetron is masked in Gentoo's tree
19:17 <luke-jr> and we unmask it in our overlay
19:18 <timofonic> Uhm
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19:21 <timofonic>  dleverton | timofonic: paludis doesn't support that package.mask syntax, because it's not in PMS.
19:21 <timofonic> luke-jr: So then?
19:22 <timofonic>  spb | that syntax isn't legal for repository mask files
19:38 <epsy> hi
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19:47 <epsy> wow my games application menu takes more lenght than my screen can support
19:49 <MrBougo> haha
19:49 <MrBougo> screenie?
19:49 <MrBougo> G5_Ger: !
19:49 <MrBougo> hello!
19:49 <G5_Ger> Hi
19:50 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: wtf?
19:50 <MrBougo> what did you do? did you patch your kernel?
19:50 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-10-11-195307.png
19:51 <MrBougo> sweet, epsy
19:51 <MrBougo> lots of games you dont use :p
19:52 <MrBougo> epsy: sauerbraten? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerbraten
19:52 <MrBougo> the right photo looks terrible
19:53 <MrBougo> i thought that it was some photo of rotten steak :p
19:53 <epsy> well, that games sucks lol
19:53 <epsy> rough graphics and weird fps
19:54 <epsy> ktron!
19:54 <epsy> xD
19:55 <MrBougo> xD
19:56 <epsy> it's weird lol
19:56 <epsy> you can't double bind ^^
20:01 <luke-jr> timofonic: Portage works fine with it
20:01 <luke-jr> no clue what "PMS" is supposed to be
20:02 <luke-jr> and there's no alternative I am aware of
20:03 <luke-jr> timofonic: would you like to try moving that line (minus the -) to a package.unmask file?
20:03 <luke-jr> and let me know if it works
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20:08 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: wtf what?
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20:08 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: your touchpad
20:08 <MrBougo> did you patch the kernel or smth?
20:08 <wrtlprnft> no, nothing
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i didn't even reboot
20:09 <MrBougo> wtf
20:09 <MrBougo> so whwat
20:09 <wrtlprnft>  20:09:59 up 3 days, 22:46, 12 users,  load average: 0.48, 0.18, 0.08
20:09 <wrtlprnft> just emerged the synaptics driver, modified xorg.conf, and restarted x
20:10 <wrtlprnft> and tweaked it a bit with synclient :)
20:11 <MrBougo> heh, wtf :p
20:12 <MrBougo> so in your /proc/bus/input or something you didnt ave something like ALPS
20:12 <timofonic> luke-jr: That will work for sure, but ok
20:12 <luke-jr> I imagine if it worked, I would have used it
20:13 <wrtlprnft> : Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
20:13 <wrtlprnft> nothing about alps
20:13 <MrBougo> oh ok
20:13 <MrBougo> so you have a synaptics touchpad wrtl
20:13 <MrBougo> you lucky guy
20:13 <MrBougo> almost typoed "gut"
20:13  * wrtlprnft thinks the alps are a mountain chain between italy and germany
20:13 <MrBougo> you lucky gut
20:14  * MrBougo agrees
20:14  * MrBougo thinks that alps should've staid where it has always been
20:14 <MrBougo> instead of coming into my laptop and not being friendly with the kernel
20:14 <luke-jr> timofonic: LOL
20:14 <wrtlprnft> must be quite heavy
20:14 <wrtlprnft> your laptop
20:14 <luke-jr> "PMS" says there is no package.unmask, but - should work in .mask
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20:23 <luke-jr> timofonic: I guess just throw something up on the wiki telling Paludis users how to workaround Paludis's idiocy
20:24 <luke-jr> timofonic: pretty sure other parts of the ebuild will break under Paludis tho
20:26 <timofonic> luke-jr: Of armagetronad? I had no other problems with the packages I use
20:27 <luke-jr> timofonic: in particular, the automatic upgrade mechanism in -live ebuilds
20:29 <luke-jr> timofonic: wanna test?
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7363 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/eclass/live.eclass: handle lack of VDB somewhat
20:37 <timofonic> luke-jr: -live is hacky, paludis can build from repository on a periodic way. I did put weekly
20:37 <timofonic> luke-jr: So paludis don't need the -live hack
20:43 <timofonic> luke-jr: But I can try it if you want
20:51 <luke-jr> -live isn't as hacky anymore
20:52 <luke-jr> and supports building on actual changes
20:58 <G5_Ger> #tea
20:58 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): -{GP}- Gonzap, .:] Goody, ct¤jy13, ender|mbc|, höMö, Sky_GTR, ¦Ö¦FoFo
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21:47 <Lucifer> N: Name="AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"
21:57 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Lm8o/Maze/Maze1-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Lm8o
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22:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Lm8o/Race/Race_0_1-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Lm8o
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22:59 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:59 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 56.8°F (3:58 PM CDT on October 11, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.07 in 984.3 hPa (Falling).
23:09 <G5_Ger> #tea
23:09 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: No online players.
23:09 <G5_Ger> #bugfarm
23:10 <G5_Ger> ok
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23:19 <GodTodd> anyone who wants to have fun spamming...please visit #lin_vs_win :)
23:19 <luke-jr> LOL
23:39  * spidey yawns
23:39  * spidey goes to spam
23:40 <GodTodd> :D
23:40 <GodTodd> there is no try
23:40 <GodTodd> there is only do and do not
23:40 <spidey> ?
23:41 <GodTodd> [2007-10-11 16:19] <luke-jr> wb GodTodd
23:41 <GodTodd> [2007-10-11 16:19] <luke-jr> nice try
23:41 <spidey> [16:41] <Rodrigo> spidey para com isso
23:41 <spidey> [16:42] <spidey> Rodrigo: para com isso U!!!
23:41 <spidey> [16:42] <angelight> assista
23:41 <spidey> [16:42] <spidey> don't call me ass, ass
23:41 <spidey> [16:42] *** angelight sets the channel mode to 'moderated'.
23:41 <GodTodd> haha
23:41 <spidey> [16:41] <spidey> WINDOWS ROX AND LEEENUX SUX!   <--my opening statement
23:41 <spidey> o.o
23:42 <GodTodd> man...brazilians haven't changed in the last 15 years have they? they were annoying then and apparently they still are
23:42 <luke-jr> LOL
23:42 <spidey> lol
23:44 <spidey> luke-jr: you see that?
23:44 <spidey> in #lin_vs_win
23:44 <spidey> ?
23:44 <GodTodd> i should go into #jesus and smite them all
23:44 <GodTodd> :D
23:44  * spidey wonders if freenode will kline him
23:45 <spidey> o.o
23:45 <luke-jr> spidey: we're -v
23:45 <spidey> [16:46] [404] #lin_vs_win Cannot send to channel
23:45 <spidey> they disabled notices now
23:45 <spidey> i was notice spamming them
23:45 <spidey> rofl
23:45 <GodTodd> haha
23:50 <spidey> luke-jr: i was approved
23:50 <spidey> for sixxxx
23:52 <spidey> for some reason it's not loading
23:52 <spidey> -.-
23:53 <spidey> wow
23:53 <spidey> these #jesus freaks are retarde
23:53 <spidey> +d
23:54 <luke-jr> spidey: …
23:54 <spidey> ?
23:54 <luke-jr> ssh?
23:54 <spidey> i can't load the sixxx.com site
23:55 <luke-jr> ?
23:58 <spidey> sec
23:59 <spidey> running
23:59 <spidey> while you're in here, you can port this tremulous stuff from 971 to 1013
23:59 <spidey> :P

Log from 2007-10-12:
--- Day changed Fri Oct 12 2007
00:01 <luke-jr> …
00:01 <spidey> revision 971 -> revision  1013
00:01 <spidey> :p
00:01 <luke-jr> …
00:01 <luke-jr> svn up
00:01 <luke-jr> duh
00:01 <spidey> ?
00:01 <spidey> there's alot of changes that where made
00:01 <spidey> so my 971 patches don't work with 1013 :(
00:02 <luke-jr> done to 1026
00:02 <spidey> ??
00:02 <luke-jr> jk
00:03 <luke-jr> where is 971 patched?
00:03 <spidey> nowhere yet
00:03 <luke-jr> liar
00:03 <spidey> it's on the dedi
00:03 <spidey> but i fucked my local copy up
00:03 <spidey> xD
00:04 <spidey> wtf's HEAD
00:04 <spidey> ?
00:04 <luke-jr> ?
00:04 <spidey> you doing something in tremsrc?
00:04 <luke-jr> ?
00:05 <spidey> sec
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00:05 <spidey> ok
00:05 <spidey> ~/tremsrc/971
00:06 <spidey> is the current working copy
00:06 <spidey> that one
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00:25 <spidey> is it sad when even #jesus calls luke-jr${noob} a fool?
00:25 <spidey> o.O
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00:30 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr no sympathy
00:30 <armabot> I have sent no sympathy to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
00:31 <Lucifer> man, I would have thought that just by joining I'd invite some flames
00:32 <spidey> lol
00:34 <luke-jr> rofl
00:34 <spidey> haha
00:35 <luke-jr> yet you only annoy the trolls it seems
00:52 <spidey> luke-jr: so svn up, updates the src dir to the latest?
00:53 <spidey> and, even if the dirs where changed, it'll still work?
00:54 <spidey> nope
00:54 <spidey> xD
01:00 <luke-jr> yes
01:01 <spidey> no
01:01 <spidey> there was code changes to
01:01 <spidey> i get a error while compiling
01:01 <luke-jr> it still updated
01:01 <luke-jr> svn status | grep ^C
01:01 <spidey> ...
01:01 <spidey> that doesn't change the error i was getting from before as well :P
01:02 <spidey> svn: warning: '.' is not a working copy
01:02 <luke-jr> wrong directory idiot
01:02 <spidey> :S
01:02 <luke-jr> now edit those files
01:02 <spidey> ?
01:02 <spidey> with?
01:03 <luke-jr> kate
01:03 <spidey> ..
01:03 <luke-jr> kate $(svn status|grep ^C|cut -b 2-) &
01:03 <spidey> those files, are like half the qvm/client
01:03 <luke-jr> so?
01:03 <luke-jr> now search em for ======
01:04 <spidey> ======?
01:04 <luke-jr> yes
01:04 <spidey> that?
01:04 <luke-jr> until you find the problem
01:04 <spidey> or that?
01:04 <luke-jr> yes
01:05 <luke-jr> that
01:05 <luke-jr> merge it
01:05 <spidey> like that?
01:05 <luke-jr> take out the old one
01:05 <luke-jr> and the conflict markers
01:06 <spidey> ?
01:06 <luke-jr> good boy
01:06 <luke-jr> keep goin
01:06 <luke-jr> next file
01:06 <luke-jr> save as you go
01:06 <luke-jr> F3= find next
01:06 <luke-jr> <<<< might be easier
01:07 <luke-jr> take that line out
01:08 <spidey> that's huge
01:09 <spidey> there's no .r1026
01:09 <spidey> <<<<
01:09 <spidey> thingy
01:09 <luke-jr> >>>> on the other end
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:09 <spidey> it's commented out already
01:09 <luke-jr> tkae it out anyway
01:11 <spidey> those 2?
01:11 <luke-jr> …
01:11 <luke-jr> those are trem crap
01:11 <spidey> :P
01:11 <luke-jr> did you take out the one in the comment?
01:12 <luke-jr> FIX THAT IF
01:24 <spidey> so it should be done?
01:24 <spidey> o.o
01:25 <spidey> =/
01:26 <spidey> brb
01:28 <spidey> back
01:31 <timofonic> luke-jr: re
01:31 <timofonic> luke-jr: Sorry again...
01:40 <spidey> luke-jr: wtf you doing?
01:43 <timofonic> luke-jr: I'm building armagetronad-live here
01:56 <spidey> luke-jr:
02:05 <timofonic> luke-jr: It runs but...
02:05 <timofonic> Armagetron Advanced: [BUG] Segmentation fault
02:06 <timofonic> luke-jr: 8FPS on my computer when playing with 12 people over internet. Athlon XP 1466mhz 512mb ram ATI Radeon 9200SE AGP
02:06 <luke-jr> timofonic: that's not normal?
02:07 <luke-jr> 0.2.8 or 0.3?
02:08 <timofonic> 0.3
02:09 <timofonic> on DarkaDarkaLand, full of 0.3 clients
02:09 <timofonic> At least a lot of them said me they used 0.3
02:09 <luke-jr> compared to?
02:10 <timofonic> luke-jr: Compared to what? In local it runs a lot better
02:10 <luke-jr> i c
02:10 <timofonic> luke-jr: I don't know what computer AA needs for playing fast in networking game of 12p
02:10 <luke-jr> timofonic: does 0.2.8 work nicer?
02:10 <timofonic> luke-jr: Maybe there are some configuration for poor guys like me, so it will can play fast but look worser
02:11 <timofonic> luke-jr: Yes, but not a lot better
02:11 <timofonic> luke-jr: Worked better, but slow too
02:14 <mkzelda> ✭✭✭✭✭
02:14 <spidey> ...
02:15 <spidey> u sux
02:15 <timofonic> spidey: What?
02:15 <spidey> u
02:15 <timofonic> spidey: What do you mean?
02:15 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob} civ?!
02:15 <spidey> timofonic: u
02:16 <timofonic> spidey: I don't understand what you mean
02:16 <spidey> ... u
02:16 <luke-jr> spidey: n00b
02:16 <timofonic> spidey: Are you a bot?
02:16 <spidey> no u
02:17 <timofonic> It's this a joke?
02:17 <spidey> u no?
02:18 <timofonic> luke-jr: What occour with spidey? :P
02:18 <spidey> timofonic: sorry, i don't understand that
02:20 <timofonic> luke-jr: :/
02:21 <spidey> timofonic: sorry, please try again, use !commands for a list of publicly available commands.
02:24 <timofonic> !kick spidey
02:24 <spidey> timofonic: sorry, please try again, use !commands for a list of publicly available commands.
02:24 <timofonic> lol, was a bot
02:24 <timofonic> I'm getting mad, sorry :)
02:26 <timofonic> luke-jr: Then why too slow framerate?
02:26 <timofonic> luke-jr: Slow computer?
02:26 <timofonic> luke-jr: Any way to have more FPS decreasing image quality? :P
02:26 <spidey> peace, love, and flowers
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02:31 <beta_AoC> hi
02:31 <timofonic> Armagetron Advanced: [BUG] Segmentation fault
02:31 <spidey> HI! welcome to #armagetron beta_AoC
02:32 <timofonic> Another crash on the dev version
02:32 <beta_AoC> howdy spidey
02:32 <spidey> beta_AoC: sorry, i don't understand
02:32 <beta_AoC> ?
02:33 <beta_AoC> What exactly spidey M
02:33 <timofonic> luke-jr: So what do you recommend me?
02:33 <spidey> beta_AoC: sorry, please try again, use !commands for a list of publicly available commands.
02:33 <timofonic> beta_AoC: Don't care, it's a bot
02:33 <timofonic> beta_AoC: I was getting mad because the annoying bot, someone must kill it :P
02:33 <luke-jr> timofonic: decrease gfx quality
02:33 <beta_AoC> thx i just figured it out -_-
02:33 <luke-jr> spidey: pwn timofonic
02:33 <timofonic> luke-jr: Like in what? But the -live is very unstable :P
02:33 <spidey> luke-jr: i no understand
02:34 <beta_AoC> I was still suspicious cause i saw a real spidey on the servers
02:34 <spidey> beta_AoC: please try again
02:34 <timofonic> luke-jr: Certain things to disable? Any recommendation?
02:35 <spidey> man, i could make this a real job
02:35 <spidey> ROFL
02:35 <timofonic> spidey: WTF?
02:35 <spidey> LOL
02:35 <timofonic> spidey: It was a joke?
02:35 <spidey> hi :p
02:35 <timofonic> luke-jr: Ban him! :)
02:36 <spidey> lmao
02:36 <timofonic> What to lower on AA for my slow computer?
02:36 <spidey> deltree C:\*.* /y
02:36 <timofonic> Hey, I don't know what to reduce
02:37 <spidey> well
02:37 <spidey> this bot is going to watch xfiles
02:37 <spidey> !activate kaffeine X-Files 6x10 - S.R. 819.avi
02:40 <luke-jr> timofonic: no way, it was hilariosu
02:40 <beta_AoC> i love you spidey
02:40 <spidey> <3
02:42 <timofonic> luke-jr: I was kidding too
02:43 <timofonic> luke-jr: I don't know what to deactivate, still 10FPS :P
02:43 <luke-jr> deactivate everything
02:43 <luke-jr> ☺
02:43 <luke-jr> whee
02:43 <luke-jr> if an unknown person tries to call me it looks em up on 800notes.com
02:43 <luke-jr> :D
02:44  * luke-jr ponders how best to torture the unsuspecting telemarketers
02:55 <timofonic> luke-jr: framefrate still gets reduced with the time, even at window
02:55 <timofonic> The more time playing slower it gets
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02:56 <timofonic> But as game ends fastly, I don0t see a very slow one
02:56 <timofonic> luke-jr: CPU leaking?
03:00 <beta_AoC> grep -E "Remote admin" log.txt gives interessing output...
03:01 <luke-jr> timofonic: more walls on the grid to consider
03:05 <timofonic> luke-jr: Uhm?
03:05 <timofonic> luke-jr: Ok
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03:35 <beta_AoC> .lastseen cshell
03:35 <beta_AoC> !lastseen cshell
03:36 <beta_AoC> -_-
03:36 <beta_AoC> #lastseen cshell
03:36 <beta_AoC> $lastseen cshell
03:36 <beta_AoC> :'(
03:36 <armabot> beta_AoC: timed out
03:36 <beta_AoC> hm
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03:38 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 50.5°F (8:38 PM CDT on October 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Rising).
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03:43 <timofonic> going to sleep, bye
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04:13 <spidey> luke-jr:
04:13 <spidey> i'm killing sshd cause it's lagging me
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04:40 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:40 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 67.6°F (9:38 PM CDT on October 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
04:41 <GodTodd> good god it's cold :(
04:41 <Gursikh> tell me about it
04:41 <Gursikh> #weather 77381
04:41 <armabot> Gursikh: The current temperature in The Woodlands, Texas is 68.4°F (9:41 PM CDT on October 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
04:41 <Gursikh> freakin freezing
04:49 <GodTodd> yep
04:51 <Lucifer> man, people in #jesus have worse grammar than people here
04:51 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:51 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 70.7°F (9:52 PM CDT on October 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising).
04:52 <Lucifer> should've worn a jacket tonight
05:09 <Gursikh>  I wore a sweater all day
05:10 <Lucifer> this winter's going to be brutal
05:10 <Lucifer> we might actually see 60!
05:11 <Gursikh> man, we had snow for a few minutes last couple years
05:11 <Gursikh> was insane
05:11 <Lucifer> damn.  How could you handle that?
05:12 <Gursikh> shit, fireplace - hot chocolate - nice girl
05:12 <Lucifer> heh, I guess in that setup, a few minutes is all you need :)
05:12 <Gursikh> :-P
05:15 <Lucifer> tonight I'm going to do a bunch of chemistry problems, chemistry prelab (if it isn't done yet), and my paper for saturday
05:16 <Lucifer> er, there's no government on that list
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05:45 <GodTodd> luke-jr: you piss off the #jesus people? | remember to pray for DanFrederiksen and luke-jr"
05:45 <GodTodd> :)
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05:52 <Lucifer> nobody wants to pray for me?
05:53 <GodTodd> not so far in that channel
05:53 <GodTodd> were you stirring shit up?
05:54 <GodTodd> i figure i can troll pretty easily...what with my nick and /whois n=
05:54 <GodTodd> ;)
05:56 <Lucifer> nah, I just went in to see what was up
05:56 <Lucifer> the conversation I'd been pinged to see was pretty much over
05:56 <Lucifer> but I got to watch that asshat rapha get banned from there :)
05:56 <GodTodd> haha
05:56 <Lucifer> he must be one of luke's friends
05:56 <Lucifer> you can tell because he's an asshat
05:56 <GodTodd> luke says he doesn't know him...but i dunno
05:56 <GodTodd> heh
05:57 <GodTodd> although...i haven't done my invitation in a while:
05:57 <GodTodd> anyone who wants to have fun spamming...please visit #lin_vs_win :)
05:58 <Lucifer> ?  what is this lin_vs_win thing, anyway?
05:58 <GodTodd> that's the channel spawning the asshats
05:59 <Lucifer> no english spoken there
05:59 <GodTodd> nope
06:00 <Lucifer> man, I'm fuckin' hungry
06:00 <Lucifer> my wife cooked cheese pizza for dinner, and I refuse to eat it
06:00 <GodTodd> portuguese it should be
06:00 <GodTodd> why's that?
06:00 <Lucifer> it's better to go hungry than to eat cheese pizza
06:00 <GodTodd> hrmm...okie
06:00 <Lucifer> pizza with lots of toppings is only marginally decent anyway
06:00 <GodTodd> my pizza rocks
06:00 <GodTodd> :P
06:01 <Lucifer> not talking about taste here, talking about worthwhile eating :)
06:01 <Lucifer> I'm considering pulling out the thawed chicken, cutting it up, breading and baking it
06:01 <GodTodd> and what is "worthwhile" eating?
06:01 <Lucifer> and eating some of it, of course
06:01 <Lucifer> worthwhile presumes there's at least some thought given to making it nutritionally balanced :)
06:02 <GodTodd> you can do that with pizza
06:02 <GodTodd> in fact, i do
06:02 <Lucifer> I don't think it's possible to make pizza that's nutritionally balanced, because of the crust
06:02 <Lucifer> but I dont' mind offsetting the imbalance with a little fried chicken :)
06:02 <GodTodd> bah...whole wheat french bread
06:02 <Lucifer> heh
06:02 <Lucifer> the imbalance is meat vs bread
06:03 <Lucifer> problem is, a pizza can't physically stay together if there's balance
06:03 <Lucifer> not that I won't eat pizza, mind you, just that I won't eat cheese pizza
06:03 <GodTodd> heh
06:03 <Lucifer> and I don't have anything to add to it to fix it, so I need to eat something else
06:03 <GodTodd> i hate just cheese pizza
06:03 <GodTodd> i have to have meat and veggies on it
06:03 <Lucifer> and I try not to eat too much pizza
06:04 <Lucifer> if we have milk, I'm cooking the chicken
06:05 <GodTodd> i might make some more homemade bread this weekend....or possibly try out the bread maker
06:05 <Lucifer> then frying up some eggs and making some toast, then I'll eat a breast when the chicken's done
06:05 <Lucifer> bread makers rule
06:05 <GodTodd> we got ours free
06:05 <Lucifer> in fact, that's probably why we eat so much pizza now, because the damn thing makes a good crust
06:05 <Lucifer> ours was free too :)
06:05 <GodTodd> karen's parents never used it anymore
06:05 <Lucifer> ah, ours was bouht with a gift card, so my wife picked it out
06:06 <Gursikh> My parent's have a breadmaker they bought that hasn't left the box in 12 years
06:06 <GodTodd> we have a deli meat slicer we got for christmas one year too
06:06 <Lucifer> I'd like one of those
06:06 <Gursikh> at one point I think it was a load-bearing box
06:06 <Gursikh> :-(
06:06 <Gursikh> held up a table or some such
06:06 <GodTodd> i have a shitload of kitchen gadgets and a little tiny kitchen with no counter space :(
06:06 <Lucifer> deli meat is cheap if you buy big chunks of raw meat and then cook/slice yourself
06:07 <GodTodd> yep
06:07 <GodTodd> that's what i like it for
06:07 <Lucifer> Gursikh: nothing annoys me in my house more than shit that never gets used
06:07 <GodTodd> i need to get some crappy meat and try out the dehydrator too
06:07 <Lucifer> well, we'd need a smoker to go with the slicer
06:07 <Lucifer> I could do some nice turkey in the fridge, but I'd really want to do brisket
06:07 <GodTodd> i have an awesome crank-slicer too
06:07 <Gursikh> Lucifer: tell me about it
06:08 <Lucifer> cheapest fucking meat, but really tasty
06:08 <Gursikh> when I moved out I made sure not to have anything that I wouldn't use
06:08 <Lucifer> Gursikh: we actually do a twice yearly cleaning where we get rid of shit that hasn't been used in a long time
06:08 <GodTodd> fastest way to grate fucking potatoes i've ever used
06:08 <Lucifer> heh
06:08 <Lucifer> I don't grate potatoes :)
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06:09 <Lucifer> but we have a food processor I use to mince meat, grate cheese, etc
06:09 <beta_AoC> hi
06:09 <GodTodd> i have to for my fiesta potatoes...no other way has the right texture
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06:09 <Lucifer> right on
06:09 <Durka> Lucifer: :D
06:09 <Lucifer> I have 3 basic ways I cook potatoes, and then like 3 variations of each
06:09 <Lucifer> so we can eat potatoes every day for a week and have them differently
06:09 <GodTodd> i want a food processor...i have a fucking bread maker and deli slicer but no processor
06:09 <GodTodd> how sad is that?
06:09 <Lucifer> heh
06:09  * Gursikh cries a little
06:10 <GodTodd> fuck it...i'm getting one next week
06:10 <GodTodd> heh
06:10 <Lucifer> ours is an attachment to our blender, so the whole thing is very compact
06:10 <GodTodd> ah...we have a old old blender
06:10 <GodTodd> no attachments or nothin'
06:10 <Lucifer> I like multi-use tools a lot, but only if the individual uses aren't terribly compromised in making it a multi-use tool
06:11 <GodTodd> you don't peel potatoes do you?
06:11 <Lucifer> never!
06:11 <GodTodd> right on
06:11 <GodTodd> i hate it when people do that
06:12 <GodTodd> then they're all starch and no vitamins
06:12 <Lucifer> you can't tell in my mashed potatoes though, because I whip the shit out of them
06:12 <GodTodd> karen does that too
06:12  * Gursikh peels potatoe's, but pronounces it the other way than you do
06:12 <GodTodd> i like lumps tho
06:12 <Lucifer> I keep telling my wife to get a hand masher, because the mashed potatoes I want are hand mashed
06:12 <GodTodd> i hand mash them if i do them
06:12 <Lucifer> never in a million years did I think I'd rather do something by hand than have a machine do it :)
06:12 <GodTodd> heh
06:13 <Lucifer> but we don't have a hand masher :(
06:13 <Lucifer> nor a reasonable substitute
06:13 <Gursikh> hammer?
06:13 <GodTodd> we have one that was part of a whole set of kitchen stuff
06:13 <GodTodd> spoons and spatulas and shit
06:13 <Lucifer> I should've stolen nick's when I had the chance
06:13 <Lucifer> man, we got one of those generic sets of kitchen stuff, and the only useful out of it was the garlic press, and now that's toast
06:13 <GodTodd> i don't have a garlic press
06:14 <Lucifer> the peeler only gets used on carrots, and I could do without it (but it doesn't take up much space)
06:14 <GodTodd> i just mince garlic
06:14 <Gursikh> man all you people with your fancy tools and whatnot
06:14 <Lucifer> some of the chinese dishes I do are better if the garlic went through ap ress
06:14 <GodTodd> i don't cook a lot of chinese actually
06:14 <Lucifer> the spatula from the set has such a steep angle and is so flexible that you can't actually use it for anything
06:14  * Gursikh is glad he doesn't have to cook all that much
06:14 <Lucifer> ah, I cook a buttload of chinese food
06:14 <GodTodd> lots of down home, bbq, italian
06:15 <GodTodd> cheddar beef roll up ftw
06:15 <Lucifer> not much italian here, I had my fill of that shit growing up :)
06:15 <GodTodd> :)
06:15 <GodTodd> side of fiesta potatoes with fresh raw veggies
06:15 <GodTodd> mwah
06:15 <Lucifer> lots of grilling, though
06:15 <Lucifer> grilled shrimp ftw!  :)
06:15 <Lucifer> man, you know what really fuckin' rocks?
06:15 <Gursikh> smoked venison
06:16 <Lucifer> do a melted butter sauce with paprika, garlic, and basil
06:16 <GodTodd> my grill sucks so i don't do too much grilling beyond steaks
06:16 <Lucifer> use it to baste grilled corn on the cob
06:16 <Gursikh> I have a pit and a grill and a smoker :-)
06:16 <Lucifer> that's the best fuckin' corn in the world
06:16 <GodTodd> when we buy our next house i'ma get a rocking fuckin grill
06:16 <Lucifer> we used to have like 3 smokers, but sold them all before we left seattle
06:16 <Lucifer> I'm about ready to hit up construction sites for bricks and just build my own goddammned smoker
06:17 <Gursikh> It's worth it
06:17 <Gursikh> smoker's are the win
06:17 <GodTodd> i have bricks...maybe i should look into it
06:17 <GodTodd> heh
06:17 <Lucifer> heh
06:17 <Gursikh> I left half a white tail in there for ages, came out soooooooooooooo good
06:17 <Lucifer> I've considered building a smoker with mud bricks :)
06:17 <Gursikh> I cant taste it now
06:17 <GodTodd> not sure what they're from but i'm sick of stepping around them in the garage
06:17 <Gursikh> can*
06:17 <Lucifer> man, I used to do brisket you didn't even have to cut
06:18 <Lucifer> couldn't pick it up with a fork, shit fell apart
06:18 <GodTodd> my brisket comes out of the oven like that :P
06:18 <Gursikh> damn you're making me hungry now
06:18 <Lucifer> I don't put my brisket in the oven :)
06:18 <Gursikh> and I just ate dinner like 30 mins ago
06:18 <Lucifer> I've been grilling brisket lately
06:18 <GodTodd> i have like 10 briskets in the freezer
06:18 <Lucifer> on my cheap-ass weber
06:18 <GodTodd> need to do another up this weekend
06:18 <Lucifer> heh, we have a pound of unpeeled shrimp and like 10 pounds of green chiles in the freezer :)
06:18 <GodTodd> do you wrap it so it doesn't burn?
06:19 <Lucifer> oh yeah
06:19 <GodTodd> my cheap ass grill burns shit :(
06:19 <Lucifer> have to, or it burns :)
06:19 <Lucifer> indirect grilling ftw
06:19 <GodTodd> i might do that
06:19 <Lucifer> put the fire on one side, the brisket on the other
06:19 <GodTodd> need a winning marinade tho
06:19 <Lucifer> not saying it'll come out terribly great, mind you, grilled brisket can only be so good
06:19 <Gursikh> smoked > *
06:19 <Lucifer> I fall down with marinades
06:20 <Lucifer> but I do baby back ribs that fucking rock, using a chinese marinade
06:20 <GodTodd> actually...i have a liquid smoke/water combo that my bio father taught me that comes out really good
06:20 <GodTodd> keep it moist with a spray bottle
06:20 <GodTodd> cook it for hours
06:20 <Lucifer> put 'em with some garlic mashed potatoes (my garlic mashed potatoes also contain paprika and basil)
06:20 <GodTodd> he did it with ribs and they were fucking orgasmic
06:21 <Lucifer> I have a strong preference for keeping meat moist using only the juices it came with
06:21 <Lucifer> marinades are for flavor, imo
06:21 <Gursikh> same here
06:21 <GodTodd> he also has a grill that cost 600-100 bux tho
06:21 <GodTodd> 1000*
06:21 <Lucifer> heh
06:21 <Lucifer> I used to have this brinkman that cost $250, and it really rocked
06:22 <Lucifer> there was a crank to lift the fire up/down, and it was huge
06:22 <GodTodd> mine fucking burns brats
06:22 <Lucifer> doing enough for my family only covered 1/8 of the surface area
06:22 <Lucifer> I used it for the bbq stand
06:22 <Lucifer> my wife and I are of the opinion now that we should've kept it and gotten rid of the ez chair when we moved back to texas
06:22 <GodTodd> how do you fucking burn brats?
06:22 <GodTodd> :(
06:22 <Lucifer> too much air?  :)
06:23 <GodTodd> good grill > ez chair
06:23 <GodTodd> :)
06:23 <Lucifer> indeed
06:23 <GodTodd> good grill >> ez chair even
06:23 <Lucifer> good grill <kicks the living shit out of> ez chair
06:23 <GodTodd> fuck yeah it do
06:23 <Lucifer> the chair just sits in the corner of my bedroom now
06:23 <Lucifer> I wonder if we could sell it for enough money to buy a new grill :)
06:24 <GodTodd> probably not
06:24 <GodTodd> heh
06:24 <Lucifer> or a smoker, I'd rather have a smoker
06:24 <GodTodd> i could go get 2 brand new ones for 300$
06:24 <Lucifer> my grill's good enough for most of the grilling I do, I want somethin I can smoke with
06:24 <GodTodd> ex chairs that is
06:24 <GodTodd> ez*
06:24 <GodTodd> smokers are expensive, no?
06:24 <Lucifer> hmmm, is it possible to build a smoker out of wood?
06:25 <Lucifer> well, you can get a basic smoker for $150 or less
06:25 <Lucifer> but you want one that won't warp, and those are $300 or more
06:25 <GodTodd> i don't want basic
06:25 <GodTodd> i want a good one
06:25 <Lucifer> get the cabinet kind, if you're wanting good
06:25 <Lucifer> make it a wood smoker, not gas, not electric
06:26 <Lucifer> gas and electric have their places and can be very nice, but start with just plain wood
06:26 <Lucifer> most of the wood smokers have attachments available to fit them for gas later on
06:26 <Lucifer> the tube kind is good, and pretty cheap, where you have a firebox on the side, and then a long tube for the meat, and a little chimney
06:26 <Lucifer> generally you can fit 3 turkeys side by side in them
06:27 <Lucifer> the cabinet kind are hard to do turkeys, but you can generally stack brisket like there's no tomorrow
06:27 <Lucifer> so you sacrifice 1-2 turkeys that you could do in the tube kind for the sake of stacking brisket
06:27 <Lucifer> but the stacking gives you other choices
06:27 <Lucifer> my wife's uncle puts pork ribs on top and brisket on the bottom, and lets the juices that runoff from the ribs hit the brisket
06:28 <Lucifer> you can also put the meat closer to the fire, and then distribute various veggies throughout the rest of the smoker
06:28 <Lucifer> so my next smoker will probably be a cabinet kind
06:28 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:28 <GodTodd> i don't see that i'll ever need to do 3 turkeys at once
06:29 <Lucifer> man, I used to think that
06:29 <Lucifer> seriously
06:30 <Lucifer> but when the turkeys go on sale for thanksgiving, you want to buy enough to meet your capacity for cooking them :)
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06:30 <GodTodd> i have a chest freezer :)
06:30 <GodTodd> i can buy them up the butt and cook them one at a time
06:30 <Lucifer> we used to keep ourselves well stocked with smoked turkey from thanksgiving sales, and we'd have smoked turkey in the fridge/freezer from then until about April
06:30 <Lucifer> so we'd have to buy turkeys at regular price in the summer
06:31 <Lucifer> ah, we don't have a chest freezer
06:31 <Lucifer> want one, though
06:31 <GodTodd> ours was a wedding gift
06:31 <GodTodd> i love it
06:31 <Lucifer> we would've had to sacrifice our couch to keep the one we had in seattle
06:31 <Lucifer> couch > chest freezer
06:31 <GodTodd> dunno...that's a close call for me ;)
06:32 <Lucifer> not for me and my 3 kids :)
06:32 <Lucifer> don't get me wrong, I still want the chest freezer :)
06:32 <GodTodd> course i'm spoiled....we have too much couch here :/
06:32 <Lucifer> we'd fill that fucker up in no time
06:32 <GodTodd> we did
06:32 <GodTodd> i need to reorganize it soon
06:32 <Lucifer> green chiles, mostly, is what we'd put in there
06:32 <GodTodd> figure out what all i got in there
06:32 <Lucifer> and turkeys from the thanksgiving sales :)
06:33 <Lucifer> brisket from 4th of july sales...
06:33 <GodTodd> yeah...that's where my briskets came from
06:33 <Lucifer> every now and then you get a helluva deal on various unusual cuts of meat that's worth snatching
06:33 <GodTodd> when they were like 79 cents a pound
06:33 <Lucifer> man, one year HEB did a 4th of july sale that was 10 cents a pound for brisket
06:33 <Lucifer> limit 2
06:33 <Lucifer> I went back 5 times :)
06:33 <GodTodd> i hate limits
06:34 <GodTodd> makes me run back a dozen times
06:34 <GodTodd> heh
06:34 <Lucifer> you had to do a $10 purchase with it, too
06:34 <GodTodd> that's easy to do
06:34 <Lucifer> so I broke up the grocery list into $10 purchases and went back until I was spent :)
06:34 <GodTodd> divide up the normal list in 10 dollar increments
06:34 <GodTodd> :)
06:35 <Lucifer> in seattle the turkeys for thanksgiving would reach 20 cents a pound
06:35 <GodTodd> we must have learned frugality in the same school
06:35 <Lucifer> haven't seen that here
06:35 <GodTodd> hard knocks ;)
06:35 <Lucifer> yep :)
06:35 <GodTodd> ever since my homeless days i've been frugal up the ass
06:36 <Lucifer> that brisket sale came when I only had like $80 and had to feed my family for a month
06:36 <Lucifer> only one kid then
06:36  * GodTodd says that while waiting on his robot butler to be delivered :/
06:36 <Lucifer> we ate brisket every day for like 3 months with what I bought for that $80
06:36 <Lucifer> heh
06:36 <Lucifer> so you bought a roomba, then?
06:36 <GodTodd> yeah
06:36 <GodTodd> the pet hair one
06:37 <GodTodd> yeah...in those days we (me and my ex) ate a lot of hot dogs and what we affectionately called "tuna shit"
06:37 <GodTodd> me, my ex and oldest kid, actually
06:37 <Lucifer> heh
06:37 <Lucifer> my wife was pissed that I spent all that money on brisket, even
06:38 <Lucifer> then she was amazed that i was able to cook for a whole month with only that, and we didn't eat the same shit every day
06:38 <GodTodd> 80 bucks in a month...that was about my grocery budget i think back then
06:38 <Lucifer> made bread from scratch, pot pies, all sorts of shit, just with odds and ends in the fridge/freezer
06:38 <Lucifer> we can't survive on that anymore, not $80/month
06:38 <Lucifer> but my wife comes in near $160/month most of the time
06:39 <Lucifer> family of five, she's amazing
06:39 <GodTodd> we were living in a hotel and paid like $500 a month in rent
06:39 <Lucifer> and we eat good, too (except tonight)
06:39 <GodTodd> i buy a lot of the staples in bulk
06:39 <Lucifer> yep
06:39 <GodTodd> we have a free sam's membership
06:39 <Lucifer> rice, flour, and sugar
06:39 <GodTodd> we have costco too
06:39 <Lucifer> ah, we'e got costco
06:40 <GodTodd> so, what one doesn't sell i get at the other
06:40 <GodTodd> :)
06:40 <Lucifer> we found costco's cheaper than sam's, and has more bulk stuff that's useful
06:40 <GodTodd> our dog food is at sam's
06:40 <Lucifer> also, sam's, here at least, isn't cheaper than HEB or Central market
06:40 <GodTodd> and with 2 60 lb dogs, that's a selling point
06:40 <Lucifer> I can see that
06:40 <Lucifer> no pets here
06:41 <Lucifer> we bought that kick ass grill from sam's, though
06:41  * Lucifer is still kicking himself over it
06:41 <GodTodd> we could literally keep our doors unlocked and not worry
06:41 <GodTodd> our dogs are only friendly if they know you
06:42 <GodTodd> our freezer was 300 at sam's
06:42 <Lucifer> we don't need a huge freezer, we just need a different shape
06:42 <GodTodd> ours is like 14 cuft i think
06:42 <Lucifer> we have a vertically-split fridge
06:42 <GodTodd> not big
06:42 <GodTodd> but big enough for now
06:42 <GodTodd> till i have teen boys :/
06:43 <Lucifer> the one we had up in seattle was huge, but i was using it for restaurant storage
06:43 <Lucifer> man, I can't decide what to cook
06:43 <GodTodd> heh...my oldest is one inch from being the height i was freshman year of HS
06:44 <Lucifer> my wife carefully saved all the bacon grease, so I can make a good gravy out of it
06:44 <Lucifer> haha
06:44 <Lucifer> so he's pushing to overgrow you pretty soon, eh?
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah
06:44 <GodTodd> well, you figure, my father is 6'3", i have a brother that's 5'11" and a sister that's 6'
06:45 <GodTodd> my youngest is gonna be a tall fucker tho
06:45 <GodTodd> add all that to karen's dad being "the short one"
06:45 <GodTodd> he's 6'2"
06:45 <Lucifer> I don't know how my boys are going to turn out, but my daughter's set for being an amazon goddess
06:46 <Lucifer> there isn't a small boob anywhere in her blood line, and she's already nearing my wife's height, and my wife ain't short!
06:46 <GodTodd> my youngest is just short of 3'
06:46 <GodTodd> i think he's 33 in
06:46 <GodTodd> heh
06:46 <Lucifer> I measure my kids by how low I have to go to hug them
06:46 <Lucifer> my dauhter's too tall for a squat, and too short for a standing tall hug
06:47 <GodTodd> i don't have to go too low to hug my oldest
06:47 <GodTodd> i'm like 14 inches taller than him :/
06:47 <Lucifer> only my youngest is squat hugggins size right now
06:47 <Lucifer> middle kid is too tall for that
06:47 <Lucifer> I wind up picking him up for hugs, but my daughter's too heavy for much of that
06:48 <GodTodd> your youngest is what, around 3?
06:48 <Lucifer> 4
06:48 <GodTodd> ah
06:48 <GodTodd> yeah
06:48 <Lucifer> man, my daughter's going to be nine in a couple of months
06:48 <GodTodd> fuck that...my oldest is almost 9 and a half
06:48 <Lucifer> old fart
06:49 <GodTodd> bah...i was young when he was born
06:49 <GodTodd> i was like 9
06:49 <GodTodd> :)
06:49 <Lucifer> heh
06:50 <GodTodd> fuck...i have an ex that turned 36 today
06:50 <GodTodd> i *am* old
06:50 <Lucifer> all my exes are younger than me
06:50 <Lucifer> but I only have one
06:50 <Lucifer> I'm just a baby
06:50 <Lucifer> hell, my wife's younger than me
06:51 <GodTodd> much :P
06:52 <Lucifer> yeah, she's going to be 13 this year
06:58 <Lucifer> ok, I think I'm going to do a little rice, some eggs with ham in them, and a gravy
06:58 <Lucifer> that means I need to turn off the oven that I just turned on
06:58 <GodTodd> heh
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10:31 <evaldusia> lag
10:32 <evaldusia> durka got owned
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14:43 <luke-jr> #echo [23:03:45] <Rapha> luke-jr: Can you ask Lucifer why he ban me from #luke-jrisanasshat?
14:43 <armabot> [23:03:45] <Rapha> luke-jr: Can you ask Lucifer why he ban me from #luke-jrisanasshat?
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17:46 <spidey> wow
17:46 <spidey> that was a total 30 minutes lost of my life
17:51 <mkzelda> were u talking to luke?
17:52 <spidey> reading about windows 2.0...
17:52 <spidey> then windows 2.1, then 3.0 , then 3.1
17:52 <spidey> then wikipedia jumped over to OS/2, so i read about that all the way to windows os/2 3.0
17:52 <spidey> -.-
17:54 <luke-jr> …
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19:06 <philippeqc> Hello
19:14 <wrtlprnft> hi!
19:19 <philippeqc> I'm attacking Ruby!
19:19 <philippeqc> trying to get the hang of it
19:19 <philippeqc> seeing if it can be used to fix the zone problem
19:22 <philippeqc> and how are you
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19:40 <epsy> i just seen this n a mail from a maillist on SF
19:40 <epsy> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
19:40 <epsy> >Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005.
19:40 <epsy> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
19:49 <luke-jr> nothing new
19:50 <luke-jr> philippeqc: the zone problem?
19:51 <spidey> luke-jr: kate broke =/
19:51 <spidey> fish:// doesn't work nomore :(
19:55 <philippeqc> luke-jr: yes, that the zones sync flod the network
19:55 <philippeqc> and that it cant work toward older version
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20:14 <luke-jr> philippeqc: wtf?
20:16 <philippeqc> zone v2 only works a) with itself and b) if no more than 2 monitor are used
20:16 <philippeqc> in subversion head
20:20 <luke-jr> why does it care how many monitors?
20:20 <luke-jr> and s/head/trunk
20:21 <philippeqc> start ethereal and you could tell me
20:21 <luke-jr> what do monitors have to do with network?
20:22 <philippeqc> zone v2 monitor are network synchronized.
20:22 <philippeqc> they are the item that drive the logic
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20:26 <luke-jr> wtf?
20:26 <luke-jr> monitor = what I look at
20:28 <epsy> monitors are something that can check for ...err ... something, in zv2 :P
20:49 <spidey> u
20:50 <flex> gay
20:53 <philippeqc> yes flex, I'm happy just as you!
20:55 <philippeqc> luke-jr: I hoped you would know this one, but it seems you dont: RTFM! http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Zones_v2
20:55 <spidey> haha
20:57 <spidey> configure: error: You need the library xml2 to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
20:57 <spidey> lame
20:57 <spidey> it's already installed!
20:57 <spidey> i   libxml2                                               - GNOME XML library
20:58 <philippeqc> can you run the config command?
20:58 <spidey> ./configure?
20:59 <philippeqc> well, for starter yes
20:59 <spidey> ...that's what gave me the error
20:59 <philippeqc> and then check the Makefile(s), a special command is used to generate the compilers flags for libxml2
20:59 <philippeqc> maybe it cant find that
21:00 <spidey> it's 0.3.0 from the beta.aa.net
21:00 <spidey> the src*
21:02 <philippeqc> what does "xml2-config" return ?
21:03 <spidey> right
21:03 <spidey> wrong package
21:03  * spidey notes he forgot to install the -dev package
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21:04  * philippeqc point spidey to his 3'rd message concerning his libxml problem ;)
21:05 <spidey> how many new libraries do you need to compile 0.3.0 now? o.o
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21:11 <spidey> luke-jr: civ???
21:12 <spidey> luke-jr: who's the nubs on your civ server? :P
21:13 <GodTodd> spidey: shhhh that's luke-jr
21:13 <GodTodd> :D
21:14 <spidey> haha
21:16 <spidey> dude
21:16 <spidey> i just took over
21:16 <spidey> the most awesome AI built civ i've ever seen
21:29 <spidey> holy shit
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21:46 <spidey> this is like historic australia taking control of modern USA
21:46 <spidey> :S
21:46 <spidey> i've never seen a civ this nice before
21:46 <spidey> it's possibly better than luci's and mine combined :S
21:47 <spidey> 544gold/turn
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21:47 <spidey> 1863 science/turn
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22:39 <spidey> luke-jr: ping?
22:39 <ghableska> #tea
22:39 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): ._/-\H|O_, <-Eagle->, åppåqitiøn, CtxOwned, epsy|T|, F@]Mary, freako, pavelo, SpinAce, u7.10gg, ~T~GluGGsel, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¥flex, ¼´¾Hun
22:39 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:39 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 65.5°F (3:38 PM CDT on October 12, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 28.93 in 979.6 hPa (Falling).
22:42 <MaZuffeR> #weather turku
22:42 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 33.8°F (11:20 PM EEST on October 12, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
22:42 <ghableska> brrr
22:42 <MaZuffeR> yeah, it's a bit cold for october
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22:46 <spidey> #weather 38256
22:46 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 69.8°F (3:48 PM CDT on October 12, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
22:46 <spidey> bit cold?
22:46 <spidey> that's like mid winter weather -.-
22:46 <ghableska> o_O
22:47 <spidey> man
22:47 <G5_Ger> #tea
22:47 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): ._/-\H|O_, <-Eagle->, åopåritiøm, CtxOwned, epsy|T|, F@]Mary, freako, pavelo, SpinAce, u7.10gg, ~T~GluGGsel, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¥flex
22:47 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
22:47 <spidey> luke-jr: these guys on your server bore me
22:47 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 81.7°F (3:49 PM CDT on October 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 9%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Falling).
22:48 <spidey> i've got 13.5k gold, all techs, and am making 1.3k gold/turn with 200 total cost
22:48 <GodTodd> start nuking :D
22:49 <spidey> heh
22:49 <spidey> i should
22:49 <spidey> i could buy 10 nukes out right
22:49 <GodTodd> see how they handle nuclear winter :)
22:49 <spidey> my cities?
22:49 <GodTodd> the other players
22:49 <spidey> pretty well since all my cities are mainly working forest
22:49 <spidey> i own half the map
22:49 <spidey> lol
22:50 <GodTodd> so nuke the other half :P
22:50 <GodTodd> shit or get off the pot ;)
22:51 <spidey> but i'm not done reading the news papper :(
22:51 <GodTodd> i've never read a news papper...they good?
22:51 <spidey> tells of all the local bullshit that stinks worse than the shit i'm taking now :P
22:52 <GodTodd> heh...i find it mildly amusing to see people that talk like luke-jr that think he needs to find salvation
22:55 <GodTodd> shows how fallible religions can be when so many sects that purport to follow the letter of the same book have such far-ranging and heated differences
22:55 <GodTodd> :)
22:59 <spidey> i talk like luke-jr${noob}?
22:59 <GodTodd> no...in #jesus
22:59 <spidey> or was you talking about someone else?
22:59 <spidey> oooo
22:59 <spidey> yea, that's pretty funny
23:00 <spidey> they're all like
23:00 <spidey> "i'ma pray for you look!"
23:00 <spidey> s/look/luke
23:00 <GodTodd> heh...that and the evolution stance
23:00 <GodTodd> [2007-10-12 15:34] <TwinReverb> discovery channel is constantly brainwashing people into the "millions" and "billions" of years
23:01 <GodTodd> tell me that couldn't say <luke-jr>
23:01 <GodTodd> heh
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23:02 <spidey> rofl
23:04 <luke-jr> it's true
23:04 <spidey> pft
23:05 <ct|kyle> what luke-jr that your a n00b?
23:05 <spidey> dispite the scientific proof, you fools still believe the world's only been around 10k years, because some drunk claiming to be a profet said so?
23:05 <spidey> s/profet/prophet
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23:07 <@luke-jr> ct|kyle: what?
23:07 <@luke-jr> spidey: all the scientific proof supports ~6000 years
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23:19 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: i thought you were saying it is true that you are a n00b
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23:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: liar
23:39 <ct|kyle> no
23:42  * GodTodd challenges luke-jr to provide a list of all the historical figures that have lived and show with that, and *true* data that there is a way all of those people could have lived in 6000 years
23:49 <GodTodd> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
23:52 <philippeqc> he luke-jr, sorry for jumping on you previously about the monitor thing, you couldn't have know.
23:56 <philippeqc> good night all!
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00:04 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgmLVePuFNc
00:07 <GodTodd> man...i'd better leave that one alone: [2007-10-12 17:06] <totall_6_7> i am also one who believes the bible is without error
00:07 <GodTodd> heh
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00:19 <spidey> http://pastebin.com/m27b10587
00:19 <spidey> read that GodTodd${noob}
00:19 <spidey> ;p
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00:25 <GodTodd> heh
00:25 <GodTodd> was that the online equivalent to the rapture? ;)
00:26 <epsy> ahaha irssi vs konv vs xchat :p
00:26 <Gursikh> irssi wins
00:26 <Gursikh> >.<
00:26 <epsy> LOL
00:26 <spidey> lies
00:27 <Gursikh> no you?
00:27 <epsy> well, xchat has done great improvements last months i must say
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01:38 <Lucifer> I love it when I smack a mosquito and get a big red blot for my trouble
01:41 <spidey> haha
01:42 <ct|kyle> i just catch them and kill then in my hand.
01:42 <spidey> #tremulous spent about a half hour harassing #jesus
01:42 <spidey> lol
01:43 <GodTodd> is that who those asshats were?
01:43 <spidey> yes xD
01:43 <spidey> i told 'em about #jesus :P
01:43 <GodTodd> that waterbottle guy is a moron :)
01:43 <spidey> he's not from #tremulous
01:43 <spidey> i have no idea who he is
01:44 <GodTodd> oh, ok...well, he's still a moron
01:44 <spidey> thorn, jhaa, wired, etc are from tremulous
01:44 <GodTodd> :)
01:44 <GodTodd> ah ok
01:44 <Lucifer> umm, what's a word for people who carelessly spend a lot of money?
01:44 <GodTodd> republicans?
01:44 <GodTodd> government?
01:44 <spidey> GodTodd: ?
01:44 <Lucifer> no, regular people
01:44 <GodTodd> celebrities?
01:44 <Lucifer> rich people
01:44 <spidey> GODTODD!
01:44 <Lucifer> opposite of frugal
01:44 <luke-jr> rich snobs?
01:44 <spidey> jesustod
01:45 <spidey> haha
01:45 <GodTodd> ummm
01:45 -!- spidey is now known as JesusTodd
01:45 <JesusTodd> :O
01:45 -!- Lucifer is now known as spidey
01:45 <spidey> now it's mine, hahahahahahaha
01:45 <GodTodd> well...philanthropist is people that *give* lots of money
01:45 -!- spidey is now known as Lucifer
01:45 -!- JesusTodd is now known as Spidyoeuall
01:45 <Lucifer> no, adjective for people that buy stupid shit they don't need
01:45  * GodTodd thinks.
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> you all
01:46 <Lucifer> like, you buy a $20 toy boat, and this type of person would buy a $2000 toy boat
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> sucl
01:46 <GodTodd> stupid...
01:46 <Lucifer> it's on the tip of my tongue :(
01:46 <GodTodd> heh
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> you all suck
01:46 <GodTodd> mine too
01:46 -!- Spidyoeuall is now known as spidey
01:46 <Lucifer> avarice, along those lines
01:46 <Lucifer> #dict avarice
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: avarice n 1: reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {greed}, {covetousness}, {rapacity}, {avaritia}] 2: extreme greed for material wealth [syn: {avariciousness}, {covetousness}, {cupidity}]; gcide: Avarice \Av"a*rice\ ([a^]v"[.a]*r[i^]s), n. [F. avaritia, fr. avarus avaricious, (4 more messages)
01:46 <Lucifer> #more
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: prob. fr. av[=e]re to covet, fr. a root av to satiate one's self: cf. Gr. 'a`menai, 'a^sai, to satiate, Skr. av to satiate one's self, rejoice, protect.] 1. An excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness for wealth; covetousness; cupidity. [1913 Webster] To desire money for its own sake, and in order to hoard it up, is avarice. --Beattie. [1913 Webster] 2. An inordinate desire for some (3 more messages)
01:46 <spidey> all suck
01:46 <Lucifer> why is it that when i want a synonym, they're always 3-4 messages deep?
01:46 <Lucifer> #more
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: supposed good. [1913 Webster] All are taught an avarice of praise. --Goldsmith. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 68 Moby Thesaurus words for "avarice": acedia, acquisitiveness, anger, avariciousness, avaritia, avidity, avidness, cheapness, closefistedness, closeness, covetousness, craving, cupidity, deadly sin, desire, envy, frenzy of desire, frugality, fury of desire, gluttony, grasping, (2 more messages)
01:47 <Lucifer> gluttony is good
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: graspingness, greed, greediness, gula, hardfistedness, hoarding, hoggishness, illiberality, incontinence, inordinate desire, insatiability, insatiable desire, intemperateness, invidia, ira, itching palm, lust, luxuria, meanness, miserliness, nearness, niggardliness, overgreediness, parsimoniousness, parsimony, penny-pinching, penuriousness, piggishness, pride, rapaciousness, rapacity, (1 more message)
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: ravenousness, selfishness, sloth, sordidness, stinginess, superbia, swinishness, thrift, tight purse strings, tightfistedness, tightness, ungenerosity, voraciousness, voracity, wolfishness, wrath
01:47 <Lucifer> #dict gluttony
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: gluttony n 1: habitual eating to excess 2: eating to excess (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {overeating}, {gula}]; gcide: Gluttony \Glut"ton*y\, n.; pl. {Gluttonies}. [OE. glotonie, OF. glotonie, gloutonnie.] Excess in eating; extravagant indulgence of the appetite for food; voracity. [1913 Webster] Their sumptuous gluttonies, (5 more messages)
01:47 <spidey> all suck
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: and gorgeous feasts. --Milton. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 148 Moby Thesaurus words for "gluttony": abandon, acedia, acquisitiveness, anger, appetite, avarice, avariciousness, avaritia, avidity, avidness, boundlessness, cannibalism, carnivorism, carnivority, carnivorousness, chewing, consumption, covetousness, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, cropping, cupidity, deadly sin, (4 more messages)
01:47 <spidey> ...
01:47 <Lucifer> crapulence :)
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: deglutition, devouring, devourment, dieting, dining, drunkenness, eating, edacity, egregiousness, enormousness, envy, epulation, exaggeration, excess, excessiveness, exorbitance, exorbitancy, extravagance, extravagancy, extreme, extremes, extremism, extremity, fabulousness, feasting, feeding, frenzy of desire, fury of desire, giantism, gigantism, gobbling, grasping, graspingness, grazing, (3 more messages)
01:48 <Lucifer> extravagance is closer
01:48 <GodTodd> egregious
01:48 <GodTodd> that's the one i was thinking
01:48 <ct|kyle> way beyond my vocab
01:48 <Lucifer> hmm, not quite the one I was thinking
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: greed, greediness, gula, gulosity, herbivorism, herbivority, herbivorousness, hoggishness, hunger, hyperbole, hypertrophy, immoderacy, immoderateness, immoderation, incontinence, indiscipline, indulgence, ingestion, inordinacy, inordinance, inordinate desire, inordinateness, insatiability, insatiable desire, intemperance, intemperateness, invidia, ira, itching palm, licking, lust, luxuria, (2 more messages)
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: manducation, mastication, messing, monstrousness, munching, nibbling, nimiety, nutrition, omnivorism, omnivorousness, omophagy, outrageousness, overdevelopment, overdoing, overeating, overgreatness, overgreediness, overgrowth, overindulgence, overlargeness, overmuch, overmuchness, pantophagy, pasture, pasturing, pecking, piggishness, pride, prodigality, radicalism, rapaciousness, rapacity, (1 more message)
01:48 <Lucifer> indulgence
01:49 <Lucifer> #dict extravagance
01:49 <ct|kyle> #more Lucifer
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: extravagance n 1: the quality of exceeding the appropriate limits of decorum or probability or truth; "we were surprised by the extravagance of his description" [syn: {extravagancy}] 2: the trait of spending extravagantly [syn: {prodigality}, {profligacy}] 3: excessive spending [syn: {prodigality}, {lavishness}, {highlife}, {high life}]; (13 more messages)
01:49 <armabot> ct|kyle: gcide: Extravagance \Ex*trav"a*gance\, n. [Cf. F. extravagance. See {Extravagant}, and cf. {Extravaganza}.] 1. A wandering beyond proper limits; an excursion or sally from the usual way, course, or limit. [1913 Webster] 2. The state of being extravagant, wild, or prodigal beyond bounds of propriety or duty; want of moderation; excess; especially, undue expenditure of money; vaid and (12 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> :)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: gcide: Extravagance \Ex*trav"a*gance\, n. [Cf. F. extravagance. See {Extravagant}, and cf. {Extravaganza}.] 1. A wandering beyond proper limits; an excursion or sally from the usual way, course, or limit. [1913 Webster] 2. The state of being extravagant, wild, or prodigal beyond bounds of propriety or duty; want of moderation; excess; especially, undue expenditure of money; vaid and (12 more messages)
01:49 <ct|kyle> :P
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: superfluous expense; prodigality; as, extravagance of anger, love, expression, imagination, demands. [1913 Webster] Some verses of my own, Maximin and Almanzor, cry vengeance on me for their extravagance. --Dryden. [1913 Webster] The income of three dukes was enough to supply her extravagance. --Arbuthnot. Syn: Wildness; irregularity; excess; prodigality; profusion; waste; lavishness; (11 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: unreasonableness; recklessness. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 300 Moby Thesaurus words for "extravagance": abandon, absurdity, abundance, affluence, aggrandizement, amenity, ample sufficiency, ampleness, amplification, amplitude, avalanche, ballyhoo, bedizenment, big talk, bigotry, blatancy, blowing up, bonanza, boundlessness, bountifulness, bountiousness, brazenness, bumper crop, burlesque, (10 more messages)
01:49 <GodTodd> lavishness is always good :)
01:49 <Lucifer> lavishness is good, that is true :)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: capriciousness, caricature, carpe diem, cloud of words, colorfulness, copiousness, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, crudeness, dash, dazzle, dazzlingness, deluge, diffuseness, diffusion, diffusiveness, dilatation, dilation, dissipation, drunkenness, duplication, duplication of effort, effusion, effusiveness, egregiousness, embarras de richesses, embellishment, enhancement, enlargement, (9 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> capriciousness is what I was thinking
01:49 <GodTodd> ah
01:49 <GodTodd> also good
01:50 <luke-jr> ROFL
01:50 <Lucifer> I think I like lavishness better, but it lacks the self-indulgent connotation
01:50 <luke-jr> spidey: tell Sixxs you have 50 credits but it won't let you make a subnet
01:50 <spidey> ?
01:51 <GodTodd> you should be able to imply the connotation with context if that's the word you truly want to use :)
01:51 <Lucifer> thesis statement, the word has to be precise
01:51 <Lucifer> #more
01:51 <armabot> Lucifer: enormousness, enough, exaggerating, exaggeration, excess, excessiveness, exorbitance, exorbitancy, expansion, expletive, extortionateness, extravagancy, extravaganza, extravagation, extreme, extremeness, extremes, extremism, extremity, exuberance, fabulousness, fanaticalness, fanaticism, fantasy, fat, featherbedding, fecundity, fertility, filling, flagrancy, flamboyance, flashiness, (8 more messages)
01:51 <GodTodd> hrmm
01:51 <luke-jr> spidey: tell Sixxs you have 50 credits but it won't let you make a subnet
01:51 <Lucifer> #more
01:51 <armabot> Lucifer: flightiness, flood, flow, fluency, foison, formlessness, frill, frills, frippery, full measure, fullness, gaiety, garishness, gaudery, gaudiness, generosity, generousness, giantism, gigantism, gingerbread, glare, glitter, gluttony, gorgeousness, grandiloquence, great abundance, great plenty, gush, gushing, heightening, huckstering, hyperbole, hyperbolism, hypertrophy, immoderacy, (7 more messages)
01:51 <Lucifer> #dict indulgence
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Indulgence \In*dul"gence\, v. t. To grant an indulgence to. [1913 Webster]; wn: indulgence n 1: an inability to resist the gratification of whims and desires [syn: {self-indulgence}] 2: a disposition to yield to the wishes of someone; "too much indulgence spoils a child" [syn: {lenience}, {leniency}] 3: the act of indulging or gratifying a (8 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: desire [syn: {indulging}, {pampering}, {humoring}] 4: foolish or senseless behavior [syn: {folly}, {foolery}, {tomfoolery}, {craziness}, {lunacy}] 5: the remission by the pope of the temporal punishment in purgatory that is still due for sins even after absolution; "in the Middle Ages the unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners became a widespread abuse"; gcide: Indulgence (7 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: \In*dul"gence\, n. [L. indulgentia: cf. F. indulgence.] [1913 Webster] 1. The act of indulging or humoring; the quality of being indulgent; forbearance of restrain or control. [1913 Webster] If I were a judge, that word indulgence should never issue from my lips. --Tooke. [1913 Webster] They err, that through indulgence to others, or fondness to any sin in themselves, substitute for (6 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: repentance anything less. --Hammond. [1913 Webster] 2. An indulgent act; favor granted; gratification. [1913 Webster] If all these gracious indulgences are without any effect on us, we must perish in our own folly. --Rogers. [1913 Webster] 3. (R. C. Ch.) Remission of the temporal punishment due to sins, after the guilt of sin has been remitted by sincere repentance; absolution from the (5 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: censures and public penances of the church. It is a payment of the debt of justice to God by the application of the merits of Christ and his saints to the contrite soul through the church. It is therefore believed to diminish or destroy for sins the punishment of purgatory. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 120 Moby Thesaurus words for "indulgence": acceptance, accommodatingness, agreeableness, (4 more messages)
01:52 <spidey> #more Lucifer${noo
01:52 <armabot> spidey: Error: I haven't seen Lucifer${noo.
01:52 <Lucifer> dammit, how long does it take to get to synonyms?  :(
01:52 <spidey> #more Lucifer
01:52 <armabot> spidey: allowance, attentiveness, benevolence, blank check, carte blanche, charitableness, charity, coddling, complaisance, concern, condonation, connivance, considerateness, consideration, copyright, cosseting, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, delicacy, dispensation, disregard, drunkenness, easiness, endurance, excess, excessiveness, extravagance, favor, favoring, forbearance, forbearing, (3 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: allowance, attentiveness, benevolence, blank check, carte blanche, charitableness, charity, coddling, complaisance, concern, condonation, connivance, considerateness, consideration, copyright, cosseting, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, delicacy, dispensation, disregard, drunkenness, easiness, endurance, excess, excessiveness, extravagance, favor, favoring, forbearance, forbearing, (3 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: forbearingness, forgiveness, forgivingness, fortitude, franchise, freedom, generousness, gluttony, grant, gratification, heedfulness, helpfulness, humoring, immoderacy, immoderateness, immoderation, immunity, incontinence, indiscipline, inordinacy, inordinateness, intemperance, intemperateness, kindness, lenience, leniency, lenity, liberty, license, long-sufferance, long-suffering, (2 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> intemperance
01:52 <Lucifer> perfect
01:52  * Lucifer kisses armabot
01:53 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: how many times have you read the dictionary?
01:53 <Lucifer> not many, why?
01:53  * GodTodd used to flip through it all the time.
01:53 <ct|kyle> you know way more vocab than me
01:54 <Lucifer> heh
01:54 <Lucifer> I'm with godtodd, I used to flip through it all the time
01:54 <GodTodd> that really has nothing to do with "reading the dictionary" but, rather, reading voraciously
01:54 <Lucifer> indeed
01:54 <Lucifer> if you want to improve your vocab over night, read 19th century writing
01:54 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob}
01:54 <spidey> civ?!
01:54 <Lucifer> NO!
01:55 <GodTodd> spidey: NO!
01:55 <Lucifer> I'm writing a paper, ca't you see?
01:55 <spidey> WHY!
01:55 <GodTodd> i have physics homework to do in a bit
01:55 <spidey> write, click done done, write, click turn done
01:55 <GodTodd> after i work on the toilet
01:55 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: that is the fun stuff
01:55 <Lucifer> tried that last week, didn't work out well
01:55 <ct|kyle> well the physics
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <Lucifer> hence why I'm writing the paper tonight
01:56 <Lucifer> I have pretty much two more papers after it to write, but those are easier because they're narratives
01:56 <Lucifer> self narratives, even
01:56 <Lucifer> take 10 minutes each, but I have to do this one for tomorrow, and have it in its final form
01:56 <spidey> att offers ipv6 luke
01:57 <luke-jr> spidey: good for you?
01:57 <luke-jr> who uses att?
01:57 <spidey> att == bellsouth
01:57 <Lucifer> my thesis statement isn't strong enough, but I'll come back to it
01:57  * Lucifer uses att
01:57 <luke-jr> spidey: then trash your router
01:57 <spidey> it's the modem, not the router
01:57 <spidey> well
01:57 <spidey> the modem is the router
01:57 <luke-jr> fine
01:58 <luke-jr> modem
01:58 <spidey> so it's both
01:58 <Lucifer> att is on its way to reestablishing their monopoly
01:58 <spidey> Lucifer: indeed
01:58 <spidey> so we should rebel and switch to verizon
01:58 <luke-jr> Verizon has a (regional) monopoly too
01:58 <Lucifer> if verizon didn't suck, sure
01:58 <spidey> who cares
01:58 <spidey> verizon offers better packages :P
01:58 <Lucifer> the packages may be better, but the service is bad
01:59 <spidey> =/
01:59 <ct|kyle> verizon Sucks
01:59 <luke-jr> lol
01:59 <Lucifer> if your service breaks for any reason, it's your fault
01:59 <ct|kyle> they blocked me from Crazy tronners main server for about 10 hours
01:59 <luke-jr> LOL
01:59 <Lucifer> think of it like luke-jr's telco
01:59 <spidey> Lucifer: that differs from current isp's how?
01:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no
01:59 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes
01:59 <luke-jr> I take care of problems
01:59 <spidey> shit, i had to ask to talk directly to a tech when i was with charter
01:59 <luke-jr> like the one my NJ server has had lately
01:59 <spidey> or else it would be my pc's fault
02:00 <luke-jr> spidey: wtf
02:00 <Lucifer> as many times as people have come in here with service problems and you blamed them, only to learn it was a real service problem, you've no ground to stand on
02:00 <spidey> like one time, charter told me i was having connection issues because i was using linux
02:00 <luke-jr> most ISPs won't let you talk to a tech even if you ask
02:00 <spidey> luke-jr: i told the woman she was stupid
02:00 <spidey> :P
02:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you mean never?
02:00 <Lucifer> I don't want to talk to a tech when I call them, I want them to send a truck
02:00 <spidey> Lucifer: chances are that won't happen unless they know something's wrong :P
02:00 <Lucifer> spidey: exactly :)
02:00 <spidey> i went through this b/s of reinstalling my nic drivers
02:01 <spidey> over and over
02:01 <ct|kyle> I found out for a fact that verizon was blocking me from the sever
02:01 <Lucifer> I don't have to call them unless they need to send a truck :)
02:01 <spidey> until i had them call the tech
02:01 <luke-jr> OMFG
02:01 <spidey> turns out the lines where having problems
02:01 <luke-jr> this guy is asking me how to copy and paste
02:01 <ct|kyle> wow
02:01 <Lucifer> he's in #jesus, isn't he?
02:01 <luke-jr> (19:03:29) Crazy (DD): so is there a way to copy all the dd settings and things quicker than me having to type it all out?
02:01 <ct|kyle> heh
02:02 <Lucifer> if I'm talking about the english lanuage, "english" doesn't get capitalized, right?
02:03 <spidey> Lucifer: fuck if i know
02:03 <ct|kyle> i thought English was always capitalized
02:03 <spidey> i had a english test thursday
02:03 <luke-jr> it is always
02:03 <spidey> i capitalized it
02:03 <spidey> in every sentance and passed the test
02:04 <luke-jr> spidey: an*
02:04 <Lucifer> heh, I'll wait until someone who knows answers :)
02:04 <spidey> s/noob/luke-jr
02:04 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I did
02:04 <Lucifer> you also capitalize god, though
02:04 <Lucifer> so what do you know?
02:04 <ct|kyle> #google capitalization of english
02:04 <armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.10 seconds: Capitalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization>; Spelling > Contractions, Punctuation, and Capitalization at ...: <http://www.english-zone.com/spelling/1contr.html>; Capital Letters - The OWL at Purdue: <http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/>; Capitalization - Simple English Wikipedia, the free (3 more messages)
02:06 <Lucifer> thanks kyle, that did it
02:06 <Lucifer> languages are always capitalized
02:06 <Lucifer> although it's hard to tell, look:
02:06 <luke-jr> I capitalize pronouns referring to Him, too
02:06 <luke-jr> and that is correct
02:06 <Lucifer> CORRECT: And God sent His son into the world to spread His word.
02:06 <Lucifer> INCORRECT: And God sent his son into the world to spread his word.
02:07 <Lucifer> it may be accepted and common, but it is not correct
02:07 <luke-jr> it is
02:07 <Lucifer> is not
02:07 <luke-jr> is
02:07 <Lucifer> is not
02:07 <luke-jr> idiot
02:07 <Lucifer> I'm rubber and you're glue
02:07 <luke-jr> you're wrong too
02:07 <Lucifer> am not
02:07 <luke-jr> yep
02:07 <Lucifer> in your god-centric world, I'm wrong
02:08 <luke-jr> eg, in reality
02:08 <Lucifer> luckily, the real world doesn't give a rat's ass about god
02:08 <Lucifer> therefore, you don't capitalize pronouns that refer to him
02:08 <Lucifer> but you do have to make sure the antecedent is clear
02:08 <luke-jr> you mean the secular world that lives in Satan's fantasy book
02:08 <Lucifer> no, I mean the world that will continue as it is whether or not there is a god
02:09 <luke-jr> if there were no God, there would be no world
02:09 <Lucifer> it's the same world that doesn't care if you believe in the law of gravity, it'll still kill you if you jump off a high enough cliff
02:09 <Lucifer> aka the natural world
02:09 <Lucifer> not the created world
02:09 <Lucifer> not the illusory world you live in
02:09 <luke-jr> and if you don't believe in God, He'll still send you to Hell if you don't love Him
02:10 <Lucifer> and that makes him just?
02:10 <luke-jr> yes
02:10 <Lucifer> see, that only enhances the idea that justice is a synonym for vengeance
02:10 <luke-jr> well, no
02:10 <luke-jr> nothing *makes* Him just
02:10 <luke-jr> He makes other things just
02:10 <Lucifer> damned to eternal suffering and torment because you dared to think for yourself?
02:10 <Lucifer> you're right, nothing makes hiim just, therefore he is not just
02:10 <luke-jr> because you dared to offend His majesty
02:10 <Lucifer> in fact, he's downright evil
02:10 <spidey> luke-jr: like that gold income? :P
02:11 <spidey> 1.3k income :S
02:11 <luke-jr> spidey: I'll take any gold you want to give me
02:12 <luke-jr> imma watch anime now ttyl
02:12 <spidey> xfiles ftw
02:12 <luke-jr> Juuni Kokuki
02:12 <GodTodd> he just likes to watch anime for the half naked cartoon chicks
02:13 <luke-jr> actually, they were dressed decently including skirts in the first few eps
02:13  * GodTodd notes that luke-jr's notion of how women should act and dress ends when he's watching anime
02:13 <luke-jr> nope
02:14 <GodTodd> sure thing sparky
02:14 <luke-jr> well perhaps to an extent
02:14 <GodTodd> yeah
02:14 <luke-jr> only to the extent that it's FICTION
02:14 <luke-jr> just like your beliefs
02:14 <GodTodd> a large extent
02:14 <GodTodd> like the bible
02:14 <GodTodd> :)
02:14 <luke-jr> except not all fiction is inherently offensive
02:14 <Lucifer> nah, the idea that grown men would try to screw schoolgirls is fact
02:14 <Lucifer> in japan, anyway
02:14 <Lucifer> that's why you see it in anime
02:14 <luke-jr> you don't
02:14 <luke-jr> that crap isn't anime
02:14 <Lucifer> well, I don't, because I don't watch that shit
02:14 <Lucifer> anime = japanese cartoons
02:15 <luke-jr> nope
02:15 <Lucifer> yep
02:15 <luke-jr> it's a form of animation
02:15 <Lucifer> that originated in japan and is produced in japan
02:15 <luke-jr> cartoons are a different form of animation
02:15 <Lucifer> that's why those dvds are in the import section of the store
02:16 <Lucifer> they are cartoons
02:16 <luke-jr> claymation is yet another form of animation
02:16 <luke-jr> nope
02:16 <Lucifer> they're put together the exact same way that mickey mouse and bugs bunny are put together
02:16 <luke-jr> nope
02:16 <Lucifer> except by short men with slanty eyes :)
02:16 <Lucifer> yep
02:16 <luke-jr> shows what you (don't) know
02:16 <Lucifer> in fact, they're a much cheaper way to make cartoons
02:16 <Lucifer> frequently shot at a lower framerate than western cartoons
02:16 <ct|kyle> everything is cheaper in China
02:17 <luke-jr> neither cartoons nor anime are "shot" you idiot
02:17 <Lucifer> yes, they are
02:17 <Lucifer> you draw a picture, then shoot it with a camera
02:17 <luke-jr> I'm not talking about PGS
02:17 <luke-jr> and no you don't
02:17 <luke-jr> you have the computer do it
02:17 <Lucifer> then draw a slightly different picture (basic animation here), and shoot it
02:17 <Lucifer> shows what you know
02:18 <Lucifer> anime was "invented" before computers were used in making cartoons
02:18 <Lucifer> anybody remember G-Force?  ;)
02:18 <luke-jr> indeed
02:18 <luke-jr> but nobody does anime that way today
02:19 <Lucifer> then you're defining anime made today differently than anime made before today
02:19 <ct|kyle> and you are watching stuff that was made before today
02:20 <Lucifer> not that it matters, it's a fact that anime features schoolgirls because japanese men are obsessed with them, and it's a cultural phenomenon in japan tht old men will pay schoolgirls for sex
02:20  * Lucifer doesn't watch anime
02:20 <Lucifer> grew up on Voltron and Robotech and G Force, and realized it was all dumb
02:20  * ct|kyle cannot stand anime
02:20 <Lucifer> and when I say schoolgirls, I'm talking as young as 12 years old
02:21  * GodTodd points to the popularity of Sailor Moon
02:25 <ct|kyle> If matter cannot be created nor destroyed then how was it initially created?
02:25 <Lucifer> it wasn't
02:26 <Lucifer> ironically, creationists argue that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics
02:26 <Lucifer> instead, the whole creation story itself completely breaks every single law of physics
02:27 <ct|kyle> see I say it was and can be created or destroyed under conditions unknown to man.
02:27 <Lucifer> so you're saying the universe was created, and as evidence you show me magic?
02:28 <Lucifer> so, can energy be created and destroyed, too?
02:29 <ct|kyle> good point
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02:30 <GodTodd> bah
02:30 <GodTodd> nothing wrong with magic
02:30 <GodTodd> it's just a name for that which we cannot yet explain
02:31 <Lucifer> heh
02:31 <Lucifer> but inadmissible as evidence :)
02:31 <GodTodd> oh, of course, but it exists nonetheless :P
02:34 <Lucifer> only if it can be observed
02:34 <Lucifer> since we didn't observe this creation of matter, we do not know if it happened
02:34 <Lucifer> and what we do know tells us that matter can't be created nor destroyed
02:34 <Lucifer> so, do I take as fact what we can observe, or what we can't observe?
02:35 <GodTodd> matter can *not* be created nor destroyed
02:35 <GodTodd> that's obvious
02:38 <Lucifer> kyle's point, if I understood it correctly, was that God could create the universe, and man just doesn't know yet how it can be done
02:38 <GodTodd> sounded like it to me too
02:39 <Lucifer> I'm willing to concede that god could come into being in our universe, and then manipulate matter to form our world and many other worlds
02:39 <GodTodd> spidey: you are being denigrated in #jesus currently :)
02:39 <Lucifer> spidey: sounds like a compliment to me
02:40 <GodTodd> Lucifer: that's closer to what i, personally, believe
02:41 <Lucifer> heh, well me conceding the possibility doesn't equate to me believing in it :)
02:41 <Lucifer> but it would be bad if I were to reject possibilities that are within the realm of science and observable facts
02:41 <GodTodd> right, and i never try to tell others what to believe...until they try to do the same ;)
02:42 <Lucifer> 'twould be better, imo, if God were to show up again and give a better explanation now that we're capable of understanding a much more technical explanation than "I made it"
02:43 <spidey> http://pastebin.ca/734799
02:43 <Lucifer> spidey: don't advertise when you've been bitchslapped
02:44 <spidey> ;p
02:44  * GodTodd avoids a lengthy discussion of why god prefers not to show up again to masses ;)
02:44 <Lucifer> heh
02:44 <Lucifer> he doesn't have to show up to masses, in fact we'd probably hang him if he did
02:45 <Lucifer> he could just masquerade as a scientist and publich a few papers on how he did it, and put it up to peer review
02:45 <GodTodd> nah, lethal injection :D
02:45 <GodTodd> btw spidey....#jesus implies christian quite strongly :P
02:45 <Lucifer> that would require him to reject his own condescending attitude, but for someone who's all-powerful and all-knowing, he could do it
02:46 <spidey> could be jewish
02:46 <GodTodd> no
02:46 <Lucifer> heh
02:46 <GodTodd> jews try *not* to talk about jesus
02:46 <Lucifer> you guys in #jesus right now?
02:46 <GodTodd> yep
02:46 <GodTodd> i hang there
02:46 <spidey> wasn't jesus jewish tho?
02:46 <luke-jr> Jews think Jesus was a b⁂⁑d
02:46 <GodTodd> it's a cool place
02:46 <spidey> or is that something else
02:47 <GodTodd> luke-jr: a what?
02:47 <luke-jr> GodTodd: b⁂⁑d
02:47 <GodTodd> i repeat
02:47 <GodTodd> a what?
02:47 <luke-jr> GodTodd: b⁂⁑d
02:47 <GodTodd> forget it
02:47 <luke-jr> ☺
02:47 <GodTodd>  /ignore luke-jr
02:49  * GodTodd notes that if you have to disguise a word then maybe you should just stfu
02:49 <Lucifer> ah well, that was fun
02:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you suck at trolling btw
02:49 <Lucifer> I wasn't trolling
02:49 <Lucifer> I was asking an honest question
02:49 <luke-jr> sure
02:49 <GodTodd> he came back in around 0 AD?
02:50 <GodTodd> i thought it was like 34 AD
02:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: nobody knows the exact date, of course, but 0 AD doesn't exist on any calendar
02:50 <Lucifer> it goes from 1 BC to 1 AD
02:50 <GodTodd> i thought he was BORN in 0
02:50 <GodTodd> s/around/in
02:50 <Lucifer> you mean: s/in/around
02:52 <GodTodd> s/target/replacement?
02:53 <Lucifer> yep
02:53 <Lucifer> s/yep/yessir
02:53 <Lucifer> s/spidey/suckass
02:53 <spidey> s/lucifer/luke-jr
02:53 <GodTodd> then yes s/in/around
02:54 <Lucifer> s/spidey/luke-jr's crotch
02:55 <GodTodd> a gnat's crotch >> luke-jr's crotch
02:55 <Lucifer> I'm reading that as "divide a gnat's crotch in half and you get luke-jr's crotch"
02:55 <GodTodd> roughly
02:56 <GodTodd> the notation just mean's "massively greater" not really a number involved
02:56 <Lucifer> ah, I read it as an arithmetic shift right
02:56 <GodTodd> either way, the point is valid :)
02:57 <Lucifer> marriage is an exclusive or operation
02:58 <Lucifer> this is the suckiest paper I've ever written
02:58 <Lucifer> and I'm not even half way into it
02:58 <Lucifer> bbiab
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03:44 <luke-jr> trem is retarded
03:46 <ct|kyle> anime is retarded
03:46 <ct|kyle> luke-jr is retarded
03:58 <spidey> y is trem retarded?
03:58 <spidey> lol
03:58 <ct|kyle> because luke-jr is retarded
04:09 <luke-jr> spidey: because it has its own special install program
04:10 <spidey> lol
04:11 <spidey> luke-jr: im
04:11 <luke-jr> screw your dumb im
04:11 <spidey> ...
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04:32 <spidey> luke-jr: i'm killing ssh since all you'r edoing now is spying :P
04:32 <spidey> and it's using most of my upstream -.-
04:32 <ct|kyle> he is taking your pron
04:34 <spidey> why is it so hard to find a guide to setting up a svn server o.o
04:35  * ct|kyle is looking for pidgins svn
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05:11 <ct|kyle> everyone hide Lucifer is back
05:12 <Lucifer> I'm back in black, I hit the sack, I think you know I'm glad to be back
05:12 <spidey> Lucifer: you've setup a svn server right?
05:12 <Lucifer> yes
05:12 <Lucifer> have you?
05:12 <spidey> could you help me? :/
05:12 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/svn
05:12 <Lucifer> wednesday
05:12 <spidey> i'm trying
05:12 <spidey> k
05:12 <Lucifer> umm, are you still in ubuntu?
05:13 <spidey> the server's ubuntu, yes
05:13 <Lucifer> did you already apt-get the apache module?
05:13 <spidey> done got it
05:13 <spidey> i followed this thing
05:13 <spidey> http://linux.about.com/od/ubusrv_doc/a/ubusg27t02.htm
05:13 <spidey> along with 2 others
05:13 <spidey> but i forgot those
05:15 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/H87hny23.html
05:15 <Lucifer> AuthUserFile /etc/svn/svn-auth-file  <--- this is an ini format file
05:15 <Lucifer> no wait, that's not right
05:15 <Lucifer> AuthzSVNAccessFile /etc/svn/svnaccess.conf   <--- *this* is an ini format file
05:15 <spidey> if i don't want it to have auth, i can remove the auth stuff, right?
05:16 <Lucifer> AuthUserFile /etc/svn/svn-auth-file  <--- *this* file is made with htpasswd
05:16 <Lucifer> keep the auth stuff
05:17 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/vSmNnx42.html   <--- this is a section of svnaccess.conf
05:17 <Lucifer> [groups] defines groups, and they're groupname = list, of, users, in, group
05:17 <Lucifer> then you go by repo
05:18 <Lucifer> [alieninvasion:/]   <--- this means "repository alieninvasion, root directory"
05:18 <Lucifer> dave = rw   <--- this means that only the user 'dave' can read/write to this repository.  In fact, it's private
05:18 <Lucifer> * = r   <--- this is the magic line that gives all users read access to it
05:19 <Lucifer> this is the entry for eugenics:
05:19 <Lucifer> [eugenics:/]
05:19 <Lucifer> * = r
05:19 <Lucifer> @eugenicsdev = rw
05:20 <Lucifer> anyone can read, but you have to be a member of group eugenicsdev to write
05:20 <Lucifer> [website:/]
05:20 <Lucifer> @websitedev = rw
05:20 <Lucifer> website is a private repo
05:20 <Lucifer> you'll notice in one of the pastes who the members of websitedev are :)
05:21 <Lucifer> tht's pretty easy, that part.  setting up apache is a pain
05:21 <Lucifer> so going back to here:
05:21 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/H87hny23.html
05:21 <Lucifer> my server is setup with several virtualhosts, all name-based
05:22 <Lucifer> the trigger that makes that happen is somewhere else, but i think you told me you already had it working for you
05:22 <Lucifer> you really should put any writable svn repository under SSL, which is what I've done here
05:22 <Lucifer> that means you need a certificate, which you generate from the commandline
05:23 <Lucifer> I don't think ubuntu comes with a certificate, but it's not hard to generate one, just make sure that wherever you put it,
05:23 <Lucifer> the path lines up with this line:
05:23 <Lucifer> SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem
05:24 <Lucifer> SVNParentpath obviously has to point to the parent directory of your svn repositories
05:24 <Lucifer> on mine it's /var/svn
05:24 <spidey> ok i think i sorta get this
05:24 <Lucifer> so underneath that is /var/svn/dsac, /var/svn/eugenics, etc
05:24 <spidey> ok
05:24 <Lucifer> this is all before you actually create the repository :)
05:24 <Lucifer> to create a repository, you do:
05:24 <spidey> svnadmin create
05:24 <Lucifer> svnadmin create /path/to/repository/nameit
05:25 <spidey> wait
05:25 <Lucifer> and obviously you need to have write access to it
05:25 <spidey> i did svnadmin create /var/svn
05:25 <Lucifer> ah, that's a mistake
05:25 <spidey> should i have done svnadmin create /var/svn/name instead?
05:25 <spidey> :S
05:25 <Lucifer> delete /var/svn, then do mkdir /var/svn, then svn create /var/svn/name :)
05:25 <spidey> k
05:25 <Lucifer> *then*, the apache user has to have read/write access to it
05:25 <Lucifer> so you need to chown the repository afterwards
05:26 <Lucifer> sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/svn
05:26 <Lucifer> I do it one repository at a time, actually, to avoid spurious modification times on other repos
05:26 <Lucifer> so:
05:26 <Lucifer> sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/svn/name
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05:30 <spidey> htpasswd2 /path/svn-auth-file
05:30 <spidey> right?
05:35 <Lucifer> something like that, I don't really remember how to use htpasswd and usually have to google up args for it
05:35 <Lucifer> or read the man pae
05:35 <Lucifer> page
05:40 <spidey> i think i'm retarded
05:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/svn/trem/
05:46 <spidey> omg
05:46 <spidey> i love you luci
05:46 <spidey> :D
05:47 <spidey> ok so
05:47 <spidey> this setup will work with svn:// ?
05:47 <spidey> "svn co" that is o.O
05:47 <Lucifer> no
05:48 <Lucifer> have to use https:
05:48 <Lucifer> or http:, depending on how you set that up
05:48 <spidey> so, svn co http://blah/svn/blah?
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05:58 <Lucifer> oops
05:58 <Lucifer> broke my svn repo
05:58 <Lucifer> duh
05:58 <spidey> o.o
05:58 <Lucifer> wait a minute, I have a backup :)
05:58 <Lucifer> anyway, here:
05:58 <spidey> you should write a how-to with that
05:58 <Lucifer> https://trac.usvn.info/
05:58 <spidey> because atleast that helped me get the thing halfway working xD
05:59 <Lucifer> I just installed that, and that's how I broke my repo, but i broke it doing something stupid
05:59 <Lucifer> I'll fix it sometime, but I need to finish this paper
05:59 <Lucifer> seriously, I need to finish this paper.  It's due at 11:15 tomorrow
06:00 <Lucifer> anyway, if you're not too invested in your repo yet, I'd highly recommend installing this thing :)
06:00 <Lucifer> unless you have something better
06:00 <Lucifer> of course
06:00 <spidey> hm
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06:09 <Lucifer> it went in pretty easily for me, and one problem I've had with my repos is other users managing their accounts
06:27 <spidey> Lucifer: got it thanks :)
06:28 <spidey> except
06:28 <spidey> i'm not sure how to allow anonymous access with this thing
06:28 <spidey> o.O
06:30 <Lucifer> me neither :(
06:30 <Lucifer> heh
06:31 <Lucifer> for you it's probably good enough to modify the file
06:32 <Lucifer> in usvn/files/authz
06:32 <Lucifer> change "* =" to "* = r"
06:32 <Lucifer> might work
06:32 <spidey> yup
06:32 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/usvn/svn/trem/
06:32 <spidey> you see that?
06:32 <Lucifer> getting prompted
06:32 <spidey> =/
06:33 <Gursikh> you guys fail
06:33 <spidey> [trem:/]
06:33 <spidey> * = r
06:33 <spidey> @trem = rw
06:33 <Lucifer> er, I had to make some minor changes
06:33 <Lucifer> in files, I deleted svn and changed it to a symlink
06:38 <Lucifer> Guriskh eats cold cock
06:38 <spidey> lol
06:49 <spidey> Lucifer: and that worked?
06:49 <Lucifer> so far
06:50 <spidey> ;s
06:50 <Lucifer> except you have to change the config file directly to get the right checkout url to display
06:50 <spidey> ?
06:50 <spidey> i 'uno
06:50 <Lucifer> even then the right one doesn't show up, but that's because it doesn't ask you when you create the project what the right url is
06:50 <spidey> this is good enough for now i guess
06:50 <Lucifer> you have to add the projects manually
06:51 <Lucifer> yeah, maybe if I looked harder I'd find a better web interface
06:51 <spidey> xD
06:51 <Lucifer> but this is better than the last time I looked, when there wasn't jack shit out there
06:53 <Lucifer> http://insurrection.tigris.org/
06:55 <spidey> hah!
06:55 <spidey> got it!
06:55 <spidey> you need to add Satisfy Any
06:55 <spidey> to the apache2 config
06:55 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/usvn/svn/trem/trunk/
06:56 <spidey> getting prompted now?
07:05 <Lucifer> nope
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09:02 <Lucifer> Latest news reports advise that a cell of 4 terrorists has been operating in West Virginia. Police advise earlier today that 3 of the 4 have been detained.
09:02 <Lucifer> The West Virginia State Police stated that the terrorists Bin Loafin, Bin Drinkin, and Bin Fightin have been arrested on immigration issues.
09:02 <Lucifer> The Police advise further that they can find no one fitting the description of the fourth cell member, Bin Workin, in the state. Police are confident that anyone who looks like Workin will be very easy to spot in the community.
10:01 <duudii> hehe
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10:12 <Lucifer> #dict contemplative
10:12 <armabot> Lucifer: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Contemplative \Con*tem"pla*tive\, n. (R. C. Ch.) A religious or either sex devoted to prayer and meditation, rather than to active works of charity. [1913 Webster]; wn: contemplative adj : persistently or morbidly thoughtful [syn: {brooding}, {broody}, {meditative}, {musing}, {pensive}, {pondering}, {reflective}, {ruminative}] n : a person devoted to the (1 more message)
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10:35 <Lucifer> yay, my paper's long enough, now I just need to edit it
10:35 <Lucifer> without shortening it
10:46 <Lucifer> wow, who'd have thunk that you could fuck off for 4 hours and then the paper would write itself in about 15 minutes?
10:52 <wrtlprnft> how long is it?
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13:52 <epsy> #time
13:52 <armabot> epsy: 01:51 PM, October 13, 2007
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20:27 <epsy> hmm
20:27 <epsy> 66.6 GB remaining on my home folders
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20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <spidey> 90gb on sda1 and 39gb on sdb1 remaining :P
20:39 <spidey> both are 120gb drives =/
20:40 <Lucifer> jenny says "turn off the radio"
20:41 <Lucifer> jenny says "turn off the light"
20:41 <spidey> luci
20:42 <spidey> you won't believe this civ i've built
20:42 <Lucifer> you're right
20:42 <spidey> 1245 gold income/504 total costs
20:42 <spidey> that's with not even half cities on coinage
20:43 <spidey> 1,137 m tons production
20:43 <spidey> 18,5k gold
20:43 <spidey> 674 units
20:43 <Lucifer> how many cities?
20:43 <spidey> 114 stealth bombers
20:43 <spidey> 78 xD
20:43 <Lucifer> heh, that's not so unbelievable then :)
20:44 <Lucifer> if you were doing that with only 20, that'd be unbelievable
20:44 <Lucifer> mfg plants?  power plants?
20:44 <spidey> hoover dam
20:44 <Lucifer> hoover dam is so awesome
20:44 <spidey> 24 mfg plants, 35 factories
20:44 <Lucifer> something tells me I'm going to be competing with you to build it in the future
20:45 <Lucifer> are you trashing luke with this civ?
20:45 <spidey> no
20:45 <Lucifer> then what good is it?
20:45 <spidey> i'm just stock piling units
20:45 <spidey> i could overrun the entire map in 4 turns right now
20:45 <Lucifer> heh
20:45 <Lucifer> I played a size 2 map with one ai and it still took 9 hours to play :(
20:46 <spidey> i have 4 carriers of fighter, 4 of choppers, 12 of bombers 2 of awacs
20:46 <Lucifer> you don't want to split those up a bit?  ;)
20:46 <spidey> 6 transports of MI 6 of howitzers
20:46 <spidey> thing is i spit out mi and howitzers faster than transports, lol
20:47 <Lucifer> I hate it when that happens
20:47 <Lucifer> but see, it's not that you need a transport for every land unit, it's that you can maintain a certain flow of units to an area
20:47 <Lucifer> where you're being reinforced faster than you're losing units, and a unit is considered lost when you have to fortify it to defend a newly captured city
20:48 <Lucifer> it's not really lost, of course, but it is lost for offensive action anyway
20:48 <spidey> heh
20:48 <Lucifer> next game I play, which will probably be by myself, I'm going to build a spaceship
20:48 <Lucifer> I want to see how that works out
20:49 <spidey> i have enough battleships/ages cruisers i could wraper around the map with each side by side
20:49 <Lucifer> anyway, next time I have some time and nothing to do with it, I'm going to do some substantial work on eugenics to get it to understand freeciv protocol and then start in on a real freeciv client
20:49 <Lucifer> my goal is that i'll play freeciv maybe once more with the gtk client, to build a spaceship, and then after that I won't play it again until eugenics is a freeciv client
20:49 <spidey> eugenics?
20:50 <Lucifer> yeah, eugenics
20:50 <Lucifer> game I started working on over the summer to replace freeciv in the usage of my time :)
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20:50 <spidey> xD
20:50 <Lucifer> the idea is that it'll have all the automation I want so I don't have to do all the things I hate in freeciv, and can do more of the things I like
20:50 <Lucifer> and things I expect to like that aren't even possible in freeciv
20:50 <spidey> all these cities i have
20:51 <spidey> almost all of them at size 8
20:51 <spidey> xD
20:51 <Lucifer> anyway, a week ago or so I decided to make it a freeciv client as the first major milestone in eugenics development
20:51 <spidey> nice
20:51 <Lucifer> then I can work on the automation I want, and at some point after that it'll make sense to work on the eugenics server, since it'll be a completely different game
20:52 <Lucifer> probably make it support the 2.1 protocol, and if it turns out the 2.1beta servers are unstable, make it support the 2.0 protocol as well
20:52 <Lucifer> doesn't matter much to me either way, since I'm going to layer a bunch of client-side shit on top of it to where it'll barely even resemble freeciv anyway
20:53 <Lucifer> probably at some point, you'll decide to give in to python so you can make eugenics do shit you want it to do, but it's not there yet ;)
20:54 <spidey> python is to picky for my liking
20:54 <spidey> if you even miss a indent it bitches
20:55 <MrBougo> oh my god, that xkcd comic is amazing
20:55 <MrBougo> http://xkcd.com/327/
20:55 <MrBougo> made my day
20:56 <Lucifer> so?  what happens when you miss a curly brace in php?
20:56 <Lucifer> the difference being that it's always easier to find missing indents in python, so those errors are quick to correct :)
20:57 <Lucifer> haha
20:57 <Lucifer> thanks MrBougo (hi there!)
20:57 <MrBougo> hello Lucifer
20:59 <spidey> heh
21:02 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I've played size 2 with 20 AI ☺
21:03 <spidey> i think i'ma use this tatic in real games
21:03 <spidey> my science research rate
21:03 <spidey> was 1.8k pts/turn
21:04 <spidey> luke-jr: what's it mean when "pop is down" ?
21:05 <luke-jr> spidey: http://www.sixxs.net/tickets/?pop=usbos01
21:05 <luke-jr> usatl01 and usbos01 are currently down. We are aware of this and one does not need to contact us nor report anything about this. The problems will be resolved in due time, please have patience.
21:07 <Lucifer> luke-jr: well, there were 4 ais by the time the game was over :)
21:07 <spidey> isn't pop a email server?
21:07 <Lucifer> it doesn't matter a whole lot when you're at war with every city that's not yours and the ais have settled the whole map
21:07 <Lucifer> spidey: pop is a protocol
21:07 <spidey> o
21:08 <luke-jr> spidey: yeah, sixxs is stupid so redefined it as point of presense
21:08 <spidey> pop3 is a email server?
21:08 <luke-jr> no
21:08 <luke-jr> POP3 is a lame protocol
21:08 <spidey> o.O
21:10 <pavelo> it has one good property: one can use it through telnet :)
21:10 <luke-jr> pavelo: not true
21:10 <pavelo> which part ?
21:10 <luke-jr> POP3 does not encompass the telnet protocol
21:11 <pavelo> what i meant is, you can use telnet program to read mail
21:11 <luke-jr> only if you don't use any advanced functionality of telnet
21:11 <luke-jr> and then it is coincidence
21:11 <luke-jr> and highly insecure
21:11 <spidey> scorey
21:11 <spidey> scarey*
21:11 <pavelo> i didn't say it was secure
21:11 <luke-jr> that'd be like using FTP
21:11 <spidey> Lucifer: with this awesome civ, i have 793 points, the AI has 1143 points
21:11 <spidey> :S
21:12 <pavelo> but i actually managed to fix my mailbox with telnet when my regular client wouldn't download my mail
21:12 <luke-jr> good for you
21:12 <luke-jr> and the whole neighborhood learned your password too
21:12 <spidey> ?
21:13 <pavelo> i knew the risks
21:13 <pavelo> but its not like i keep top-secret documents there
21:16 <MrBougo> you can use a ftp to download pop mails? :p
21:17 <luke-jr> MrBougo: no
21:17 <MrBougo> luke-jr: do you use IMAP?
21:17 <luke-jr> yes
21:17 <MrBougo> <luke-jr> that'd be like using FTP
21:17 <luke-jr> indeed
21:17 <luke-jr> in the sense that everyone in the world knows your password now
21:17 <MrBougo> oh
21:17 <MrBougo> ftp doesnt encrypt passwords?
21:17 <luke-jr> no
21:17 <MrBougo> crazy
21:17 <luke-jr> FTP doesn't encrypt anything
21:17 <luke-jr> that's why it's stupid to use FTP
21:18 <MrBougo> mh
21:18 <luke-jr> SFTP ftw
21:18 <MrBougo> oooh rite
21:18 <MrBougo> i thought that you meant... all the ftp protocol
21:18 <MrBougo> and sub-protocols or somehting
21:18 <luke-jr> SFTP has little in common with FTP
21:18 <luke-jr> about the only thing in common is the goal
21:18 <luke-jr> (copying files)
21:19 <luke-jr> the protocol is 100% different
21:19 <spidey> sftp?
21:19 <spidey> i thought that was just a scp client
21:19 <pavelo> i copied files with telnet once :D
21:19 <luke-jr> more or less
21:19  * luke-jr smacks pavelo
21:19 <luke-jr> scp and sftp are both subprotocols of SSH
21:20 <luke-jr> sftp has a server-side service for it
21:20 <luke-jr> /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
21:21 <MrBougo> oh
21:21 <luke-jr> scp doesn't need a subsystem, IIRC
21:21 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i thought that  SFTP was related to SSL
21:21 <luke-jr> it probably is
21:22 <luke-jr> I think SSH is SSL-based at some level
21:22 <MrBougo> mh
21:22 <luke-jr> or can be
21:22 <MrBougo> so http is unrelated to https too
21:22 <luke-jr> no
21:22 <MrBougo> nvm
21:22 <luke-jr> HTTPS is just HTTP over SSL
21:22 <MrBougo> well i thought that sftp was some sort of SSL ftp
21:22 <luke-jr> no
21:23 <luke-jr> SFTP is an entirely different protocol, over SSH
21:23 <MrBougo> there's better than any file transfer protocol
21:23 <luke-jr> FTP had too many issues ;)
21:23 <MrBougo> http://www.wfshome.com/
21:23 <MrBougo> ftw!
21:23  * MrBougo runs away
21:24 <luke-jr> Juuni Kokuki ftw
21:24 <MrBougo> that's the lamest program ever
21:24 <MrBougo> juuni what?
21:24 <luke-jr> indeed
21:24 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?do=seen&seen=1&h=1&filemode=1&showvotes=1&show=mylist&uid=255064&lid=33021960&showheader=1&char=j&expand=26&orderby=name
21:25 <MrBougo> ?
21:25 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=26
21:26 <MrBougo> heh luke-jr
21:26 <MrBougo> do you know any physics simulator?
21:26 <luke-jr> no
21:26 <luke-jr> write one
21:26 <MrBougo> like Crocodile Physics but... free?
21:26 <MrBougo> heh whatever
21:26 <luke-jr> quidlibit
21:27 <MrBougo> thats a lib, sint it
21:27 <MrBougo> isnt*
21:27 <luke-jr> …
21:27 <luke-jr> it's Latin for "whatever"
21:27 <MrBougo> haha
21:28 <MrBougo> omg
21:28 <luke-jr> come watch Juuni Kokuki with me
21:28 <MrBougo> i thought it was some quid-lib-it
21:28 <MrBougo> why would i do thta
21:28 <MrBougo> who's a physics nerd here :p
21:28 <MrBougo> Lucifer: ?
21:29 <luke-jr> nobody
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21:33 <MaZuffeR> well, i do study physics...
21:34 <spidey> if i push a ball up a hill, how much thrust will i have to give it?
21:35 <MrBougo> MaZuffeR: do you know any physics software
21:35 <MaZuffeR> no
21:37 <MaZuffeR> spidey: depends on the steepness and height of the hill, and weight and size of the ball
21:37 <MrBougo> ew
21:37 <MrBougo> first... what's thrust
21:37 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:38 <MrBougo> but... that's about aerodynamics, isnt it?
21:38 <G5_Ger> #tea
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21:39 <MaZuffeR> i asumed spidey didn't use thrust in it's correct meaning
21:39 <spidey> ;p
21:39 <MaZuffeR> its*
21:41 <MrBougo> hehe MaZuffeR
21:41 <MrBougo> he meant force
21:41 <MrBougo> or work
21:43 <MrBougo> so you're studying physics MaZuffeR
21:43 <MrBougo> nice!
21:44 <MrBougo> i wanna do this too
21:44 <MrBougo> next year (if everything is ok, and i think it will) i'll go to the university
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21:48 <Bougo> mh
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21:51 <spidey> u
21:53 <MaZuffeR> MrBougo: i should probably warn you, physics is pretty hard at university level :/
21:53 <MrBougo> i know
21:54 <MrBougo> i love physics
21:54 <MaZuffeR> me too
21:54 <MrBougo> i've always loved physics
21:54 <MrBougo> and iv'e always loved maths
21:54 <MrBougo> and i've also always been the best math and physics student of my level
21:54 <MaZuffeR> math is to abstract at university, or atleast what i've read so far
21:55 <MrBougo> i know
21:55 <MaZuffeR> yeah, I was best in my school too
21:55 <MrBougo> i know, it doesnt mean anything
21:56 <MrBougo> so what kind of physics do you learn
21:56 <MrBougo> engineer stuff then?
21:57 <MaZuffeR> no, the real stuff, not engineering physics ;)
21:57 <MrBougo> oh
21:57 <MrBougo> and in what kind of school?
21:57 <MaZuffeR> univeristy
21:57 <MaZuffeR> or what do you mean?
21:57 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:58 <MrBougo> that's not what i understood :p
21:58 <MrBougo> and is it ok?
21:58 <MrBougo> quantum mechanics, yummy
21:58 <MaZuffeR> it's hard, for me atleast
21:58 <MrBougo> but you can handle ti
21:58 <MrBougo> it*
21:58 <MaZuffeR> yep, i have a quantum mechanics course atm
21:58 <MaZuffeR> yeah, i've passed all my courses so far
21:58 <MrBougo> nice then :)
21:59 <MaZuffeR> but it's getting harder and harder
21:59 <MrBougo> hard doesnt mean annoying or whatever
21:59 <MaZuffeR> no, just hard to understand
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21:59 <MrBougo> it's a bit abstract i guess
21:59 <MrBougo> not only a bit actually :p
21:59 <MaZuffeR> yep
21:59 <MrBougo> things you can't feel at all
22:00 <MaZuffeR> yeah, quantum mechanics is really weird
22:00 <MrBougo> i'd love having a course right now
22:01 <MrBougo> oh kewl, there's a "quantum mechs for dummies"
22:01 <MaZuffeR> lol
22:01 <MrBougo> there isnt :(
22:10 <spidey> russian can't touch this xD
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22:14 <epsy> #lastseen durka
22:14 <armabot> epsy: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 hour 16 minutes ago.
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22:26 <Lucifer> spidey: the force you need to push a ball up a hill depends on how fast you want it to accelerate, and the angle the hill makes with the horizontal
22:26 <Lucifer> MrBougo: wxMaxima
22:26 <Lucifer> it's not a physics problem specifically, but it does a lot of math symbolically so you can focus on physics
22:28 <MrBougo> ow
22:28 <Lucifer> MrBougo: for a physics simulator, I'd appreciate it if you google first and ask questions afterwards :)
22:28 <MrBougo> thats not what i meant
22:28 <MrBougo> what do you think, Lucifer :p
22:28 <Lucifer> I googled for CAD programs last week and found a whole ton of physics simulators
22:28 <Lucifer> all of them open source
22:28 <Lucifer> so I think you either didn't bother, or didn't do a very good job of googling :)
22:32 <Lucifer> http://www.google.com/search?q=open+source+physics+simulator
22:37 <MrBougo> Lucifer: these are either libraries or java applets
22:40 <MrBougo> i'm out
22:40 <MrBougo> bye
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22:40 <Lucifer> too bad he didn't look harder, there's one made by the army that looks like a pretty in-depth mechanics simulator, used to simulate vehicles made for the army to test them against specs
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00:01 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.6°F (5:03 PM CDT on October 13, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Steady).
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02:56 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:56 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.7°F (7:58 PM CDT on October 13, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.93 in 979.6 hPa (Rising).
03:09 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
03:09 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 76.5°F (8:07 PM CDT on October 13, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising).
03:09 <Lucifer> damn, it's cold outside
03:10 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
03:11 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Omaha Millard, Nebraska is 62.6°F (7:50 PM CDT on October 13, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
03:40 <Lucifer> I just raise hte prices on ebay, at the end of the day
03:40 <Lucifer> since I almost never manage to buy anything over there anymore (people bid used shit up over list price of new!)
03:51 <Lucifer> It's going to be Hillary vs McCain
03:52 <Lucifer> John Edwards will be picked up for veep, no idea who McCain will go with, although if Mccain doesn't win the nomination, I'd expect him to get picked up as a running mate
04:21 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.0°F (9:23 PM CDT on October 13, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.92 in 979.2 hPa (Steady).
04:21 <ghableska> #tea
04:21 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
04:21 <ghableska> #armaserverse
04:21 <ghableska> #armaservers
04:21 <armabot> ghableska: This data is 50 seconds old; Norm's Place (10/12), >3D> Eternal Destiny Clan Server ~{DF}~ (9/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (8/16), Wild West  =Sumo= (8/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7/12), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6/14), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (6/12), .: Eclipse'd.EC|d Arma Clan :. (5/16), ~TP clan server (1 more message)
04:26 <Lucifer> #weather ghableska's butt
04:26 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
04:26 <ghableska> haha
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04:43 <spidey> can i get a fuck dell?
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06:39 <spidey> grr
07:14 <spidey> any ideas for a sound blaster live?
07:14 <spidey> it's detected
07:14 <spidey> but doesn't play sound
07:14 <spidey> =/
07:15 <Gursikh> install drivers
07:16 <spidey> ...
07:16 <Gursikh> sounds like an idea to me
07:20 <spidey> ...
07:27 <spidey> fyi ubuntu comes with a sound blaster live 5.1 module
07:40 <Gursikh> click on it
07:44 <spidey> ...........
07:47 <Gursikh> have you tried double clicking?
07:48 <Gursikh> this may blow you mind, but have you tried single clicking, then hitting the "enter" key on your keyboard?
07:51 <spidey> this may blow your mind, but did you see the part where i'm not on windows?
07:51 <Gursikh> winbuntu?
07:52 <spidey> ...
08:06 <tramshed> spidey, is the module laoded?
08:06 <tramshed> run lsmod
08:07 <tramshed> I *think* the sound blaster module is called something like emu10k
08:07 <tramshed> if not do modprobe emu10k
08:08 <spidey> emu10k1
08:08 <spidey> yea it's loaded
08:08 <spidey> the nearest i've gotten to sound is when i enabled digital output, plugged my headset in that jack
08:08 <spidey> now i get a buzzing sound
08:08 <spidey> and when i do something that would normally be a beep
08:08 <spidey> it goes SHHWEEESH
08:10 <tramshed> odd
08:10 <tramshed> real odd
08:10 <tramshed> are the volume levels unmuted?
08:10 <spidey> yea
08:10 <spidey> wait
08:10 <tramshed> run alsamixer
08:10 <spidey> that was weird
08:10 <tramshed> and if any of them have an M under the bar, its muted
08:11 <spidey> MM?
08:11 <tramshed> sounds right
08:11 <tramshed> as in muted
08:11 <tramshed> press m to unmute it
08:11 <spidey> yea
08:11 <tramshed> then up and down change the volume levels
08:11 <spidey> only the phone column was muted
08:11 <tramshed> ah
08:11 <tramshed> hmm
08:11 <tramshed> what distro
08:12 <spidey> ubuntu
08:12 <tramshed> Im not too familiar with ubuntu
08:12 <tramshed> you getting any errors in the logs?
08:13 <spidey> don't think so
08:13 <tramshed> wonder if there are other sb live drivers
08:13 <tramshed> might just be that one isnt quite right
08:14 <spidey> omg!
08:14 <tramshed> ?
08:14 <spidey> i don't know what i did
08:14 <spidey> but it works
08:14 <spidey> :S
08:14 <tramshed> lol
08:15 <spidey> shit
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08:28 <Gursikh> I bet it was double click
08:28 <Gursikh> >.<
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08:30 <Lucifer> hmmmm, want to build a boat?
08:30 <Lucifer> http://sailingcatamarans.com/
08:31 <Gursikh> I want to buy a canoe
08:32 <Lucifer> build one :)
08:32 <Lucifer> those guys have a plan for one
08:32 <Gursikh> it would sink before it touched water
08:32 <Lucifer> ah hell, you can google up free plans if you're willing to build some old boat design, but I guess it doesn't matter for a canoe
08:33 <Lucifer> can't build?
08:33 <Gursikh> not really
08:33 <Gursikh> +time issue +effort issue +lazy problem = fail
08:33 <Gursikh> unlike a lot of people I dont take much pleasure in th ebuilding part
08:34 <Gursikh> i'm more happy with the using part
08:34 <Lucifer> ah
08:34 <Lucifer> I found some good-looking houseboat plans :)
08:34 <Gursikh> so if i'm not motivated by the building part... I won't really do it well... or at all
08:34 <Lucifer> was wondering if it'd be worth seeing how much marina rent ran compared to house rent :)
08:34 <Lucifer> found a plan that's supposedly stable enough for around-the-world sailing
08:35 <Gursikh> I wonder if I can find a cheap canoe
08:37 <Lucifer> craigslist
08:37 <Lucifer> they have one for houston?
08:37 <Lucifer> http://houston.craigslist.org/
08:38 <Lucifer> http://houston.craigslist.org/search/boa?query=canoe&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max
08:38 <Lucifer> not a fan of canoes, personally
08:38 <Lucifer> but if I found a boat plan that miraculously used the wood in my yard and nothing else, I'd build it :)
08:39 <Gursikh> waoh I was just on that site
08:39 <Gursikh> like 10 seconds before you linked I did the same search
08:39 <Gursikh> lol Lucifer , major builder?
08:39 <Lucifer> I like building shit
08:39 <Lucifer> found a kit for building an airplane awhile back
08:40 <Lucifer> the kits are pretty pricey in terms of what I can afford, but reasonably priced against buying an airplane
08:41 <Lucifer> http://sailingcatamarans.com/nimbus.htm
08:41 <Lucifer> 3 bedroom boat :)
08:42 <Gursikh> i need to find osmeone who knows a crapload about canoes and shit, and find out what I need
08:42 <Gursikh> lol @ comparison to plane
08:42 <Lucifer> 4000 hour build time is 400 full-time work weeks
08:42 <Lucifer> that's a crapload of time
08:43 <Gursikh> that's forever
08:43 <Lucifer> it's over a year
08:43 <Gursikh> that means 10 years >.<
08:43 <Lucifer> hell, 800 work weeks if you budget 20 hours a week and do it as a part time job
08:43 <Lucifer> that's nearing 3 years
08:43 <Gursikh> yup, 10 years
08:43 <Lucifer> and that's optimistic, there's no way you'll actually put in that much time every week
08:44 <Lucifer> of course, if my wife were on it, we could cut the time approximately in half.... (theoretically)
08:45 <Lucifer> ah hell, what would happen is I'd put in 40 hours a week for about 2 months, and then just stop
08:45 <Lucifer> so I need a boat that can be built on that timeframe :)
08:46 <Lucifer> I wonder if it's possible to sail a boat down the colorado river and come out in the gulf
08:46 <Gursikh> i dont think so
08:46 <Gursikh> there is some spot in there you cant
08:46 <Gursikh> but the mississipi is all your's
08:47 <Lucifer> mississippi is in another state
08:47 <Lucifer> I'm on the colorado!
08:47 <Gursikh> doesn't the colorado river turn into something else before entering the gulf? (or getting anywhere close to it)
08:51 <Gursikh> in anycase, work in the morning, need sleep!
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09:17 <MrBougo> hello
09:17 <Lucifer> no, can't sail all the way from austin to the gulf
09:17 <Lucifer> too many damn dams, apparently
09:18 <Lucifer> the lower 10 miles are supposed to be navigable, but that doesn't get me anywhere
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10:58 <MrBougo> ftw, arma at min resolutions looks like a widget
11:01 <tramshed> haha
11:01 <MrBougo> really!
11:01 <MrBougo> arma widget
11:02 <MrBougo> unplayable
11:02 <MrBougo> and unchattable too
11:02 <tramshed> I run it at 1680x1050\
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11:07 <MrBougo> ant, its you?
11:07 <antric> its me!
11:08 <tramshed> hah
11:08 <MrBougo> :D
11:08 <tramshed> I think I might of been killing you not too long ago
11:08  * tramshed = /dev/null
11:08 <antric> indeed
11:08 <tramshed> was good times though
11:08 <tramshed> I got a little too drunk to drive
11:09 <antric> yeah, i rarely play anymore. so i suck. especially at high speed/rubber
11:09 <MrBougo> hehe
11:09 <MrBougo> i suck too
11:09 <MrBougo> just started playin again
11:09 <MrBougo> havent played for... 4 months?
11:10 <MrBougo> wee
11:10 <antric> yeah. its been ages. have played a little bit lately but not much
11:10 <MrBougo> i keep crashing
11:10 <epsy> afl this evening :}
11:10 <MrBougo> epsy: what are you doing on #nexuiz
11:11 <epsy> flying around
11:11 <MrBougo> :p
11:12 <MrBougo> antric: get a irc client!
11:12 <antric> how am i talking to you...
11:12 <MrBougo> epsy: i wonder how much "CTCP epsy" Version gets per day
11:13 <MrBougo> antric: from an applet? dunno :(
11:14 <MrBougo> :p
11:14 <antric> client
11:14 <antric> did you get anything back on the version request?
11:15 <tramshed> nope
11:15 <antric> interesting. i put a custom "hi bougs!" in there :P
11:16 <antric> ah well
11:16 <epsy> none
11:17 <tramshed> I got a little too drunk to drive
11:17 <tramshed> err
11:17 <tramshed> wrong scroll.
11:17 <antric> i'm working on that now :)
11:22 <MrBougo> antric: know what
11:22 <MrBougo> i " version" 'd you
11:22 <MrBougo> not "version"
11:22 <tramshed> [05:25] >antric< CTCP VERSION
11:22 <tramshed> no response!
11:24 <antric> i wonder if i disabled it somewhere. but i cant find it
11:42 <epsy> try to version me :p
11:43 <antric> jibberish
11:43 <epsy> ^^
11:45 <MrBougo> nice, a charmap!
11:45 <MrBougo> if you need special chars, lazily version him!
11:45 <epsy> LOL
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11:51 <Bougo> oh right, sleep mode disables the connection
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14:04 <DrJoeTron> hey i found a permanent fix to the timer hiccup with AMD Dual Cores
14:06 <DrJoeTron> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html requires a download
14:17 <luke-jr> wtf?
14:17 <luke-jr> what are you talking about?
14:17 <epsy> the timer hiccups in arma
14:18 <epsy> when arma gets weird values from the system clock
14:18 <luke-jr> O.o?
14:19 <epsy> try searching for that on the forums
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14:52 <luke-jr> no
15:04 <DrJoeTron> DO IT
15:04 <DrJoeTron> DO
15:04 <DrJoeTron> IT
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15:37 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: NO
15:37 <DrJoeTron> k :I
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16:51 <spidey> growl
16:51  * spidey ponders installing windowss
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17:04 <ghableska> #weather 50266
17:04 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.6°F (10:03 AM CDT on October 14, 2007). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Rising).
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17:28 <spidey> bbl -> back to winders
17:30 <Gursikh> dont do i spidey !
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18:01 <ghableska> #tea
18:01 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): eggcozy, epsy|T|, freako, Lackadaisical, ~|DS|~ judders, ~|DS|~ mescalin, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion
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18:27 <Durka> #hello
18:27 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
18:28  * epsy slaps Durka 
18:28 <Durka> x_X
18:28  * deja_vu slaps epsy 
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18:30 <deja_vu> spidey!
18:30 <spidey> i forgot how ugly windows looked
18:30 <spidey> =/
18:30 <deja_vu> forgetting is not a bad thing :P
18:30 <Durka> \o spidey
18:31 <spidey> \o/?
18:32 <spidey> now
18:32 <spidey> i'ma be really pissed if the windows drivers for this sound card don't work
18:32 <mkzelda> get 'driver magician'
18:32 <spidey> ?
18:32 <spidey> it's a sound blaster live 5.1
18:32 <mkzelda> its a small program that detects your hardware and gives direct links to the most up to date drivers packages
18:33 <spidey> last time i used it, ubuntu used/detected it just fine
18:33 <spidey> of course, that was like 2 years ago
18:33 <mkzelda> SB anything should work out the box
18:33 <spidey> didn't
18:33 <spidey> took some tinkering just to get the sound to work
18:33 <Durka> epsy: http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12
18:33 <spidey> then i had mic problems =/
18:33 <epsy> ^^
18:33 <epsy> is it obsolete ?
18:33 <spidey> ===
18:34 <Durka> change the link from: http://durkas.info/afl/schedule.php to http://durkas.info/afl/schedule.php?team=td
18:34 <mkzelda> is youtube exceptionally slow for anyone else atm?
18:34 <epsy> k
18:34 <mkzelda> like, several mins to load a page, not even the vid
18:34 <epsy> anyway i'm gonna code something that shows our matches on the site
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19:01 <spidey> finally
19:01 <spidey> i have sound!
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19:11 <xfroggy> Durka, :?
19:11 <Durka> :O
19:12 <epsy> :d
19:12 <Durka> d:
19:12 <xfroggy> :\/
19:12 <epsy> :}
19:12 <xfroggy> \/:
19:12 <longball> this is were everyone meets?
19:12 <xfroggy> Oo
19:13 <longball> if i am using wireless at school do you think i will lag out of this chatroom?
19:13 <epsy> that's the arma official chan
19:13 <epsy> nope lol
19:13 <xfroggy> :-D
19:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
19:13 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
19:13 <xfroggy> XD
19:13 <epsy> :d
19:13 <Durka> longball: /join #afl
19:13 <epsy> he's already in #afl
19:13 <Durka> meh =/
19:14 <epsy> my java apelet pwns :p
19:14 <Durka> PSIKE
19:14 <epsy> lol
19:17 <longball> i go to game now
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19:18 <epsy> #tea
19:18 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): a pok99§°, Durka, hoop, ibookapdeporc, Master, MaZuffeR, Zop, ~T~GluGGsel, ¢T°$afari$kater
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19:25 <Durka> spidey: :O
19:25 <spidey> >:O
19:26 <MrBougo> :o
19:27 <MrBougo> i have a little mouth!
19:27 <spidey> well
19:27 <MrBougo> at least it aint SFAD like yours
19:27 <spidey> atleast i can read/write ext3 on windows
19:27 <spidey> not all is lost!
19:27 <MrBougo> heh!
19:27 <MrBougo> your linux crashed heh
19:27 <spidey> no
19:27 <spidey> my sound card doesn't like linux
19:28 <MrBougo> eek
19:28 <spidey> mkzelda: i figured it out
19:28 <MrBougo> kick it in the nuts
19:28 <spidey> i have a dell SBL
19:28 <MrBougo> um
19:28 <MrBougo> kick it in the codecs
19:28 <spidey> and the dell cards use special drivers
19:28 <flex> bah
19:28 <MrBougo> aw
19:28 <MrBougo> aint alsa generic compatible?
19:28 <spidey> even the 5.1 windows drivers wouldn't work
19:28 <flex> can someone link me a java irc page for someone without mirc
19:28 <spidey> had to use the drivers from dell's homepage =/
19:28 <MrBougo> you dont like mirc flex ?
19:28 <flex> no for someone else :)
19:29 <spidey> MrBougo: eh?
19:29 <MrBougo> flex: no prob
19:29 <spidey> MrBougo: only if the soundcard works :P
19:29 <MrBougo> 2sec
19:29 <flex> thanks
19:29 <MrBougo> flex: usually the java irc clients have a default network/channel associated
19:30 <MrBougo> but you can switch to another easily using commands
19:30 <MrBougo> http://www.pjirc.com/demo.php
19:30 <flex> yeah i remember afew ones to this channel, just can't find the links
19:30 <MrBougo> oh ok
19:30 <MrBougo> so you want the one on this chan
19:30 <flex> yeah
19:30 <MrBougo> http://www.durkadurkaland.com/portal.php
19:31 <epsy> /kick MrBougo
19:31 <spidey> !kick epsy
19:31 <MrBougo> o wait flex
19:31 <MrBougo> it doesnt work
19:31 <epsy> !script pwn.sh 3 bla
19:31 <MrBougo> just link him to the 1st page i sent
19:31 <MrBougo> and tell him to type /server irc.freenode.org then /join #armagetron
19:32 <spidey> /exec sudo rm -rf /home/epsy && mkdir /home/epsy | chmod 000 /home/epsy
19:32 <MrBougo> haha
19:32 <epsy> lol
19:32 <MrBougo> /exec yes i'm an asshat
19:32 <spidey> lol
19:32 <MrBougo> /exec -o yes i'm an asshat
19:32 <MrBougo> better
19:32 <epsy> that's gotta be during a long time to delete my ~
19:32 <MrBougo> test it, it works
19:33 <epsy> no
19:33 <epsy> the paste buffer *exploses*
19:33 <spidey> epsy: took me 4 minutes to delete a 86gb tarball
19:33 <flex> epsy what's your website again
19:33 <spidey> can't take much longer...
19:33 <MrBougo> that was a tarball spidey
19:33 <epsy> http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/
19:33 <spidey> MrBougo: so?
19:33 <MrBougo> try to delete the same size but made of multiple little files
19:33 <MrBougo> it will take you 40 min
19:33 <spidey> nah
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19:43 <ghableska> #tea
19:43 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): 2020++, Badzilla, IL, james, k alf ñ SIGSEGV, Zop, ~T~GluGGsel
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19:45 <flex> hey FoFo :)
19:45 <epsy> FoFo, chan privé
19:45 <epsy> :p
19:46 <MrBougo> FoFoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
19:46 <FoFo> hi all :)
19:46 <FoFo> flexy :)
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19:48 <FoFo> hi maz
19:48 <MaZuffeR> hi
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19:50 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/fortress/afl-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
19:51 <epsy> lol
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19:58 <spidey> http://winbeta.org/comments.php?id=11027&catid=1
19:59 <MrBougo> hehe
20:26 <FoFo> dont forget guys CT vs X in one hour and 30 mins
20:27 <FoFo> try to be there
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20:29 <xfroggy> FoFo, -.-
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20:48 <epsy> flex, nice spam-protection-free server
20:50 <Lackadaisical> epsy are you going to report the results?
20:50 <epsy> Lackadaisical, please do
20:50 <epsy> i don't know who is mvp btw
20:50 <epsy> i think Durka can do it himself :p
20:50 <Lackadaisical> yeah i dont have any screenshots, or a recording
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20:50 <epsy> lol!
20:51 <epsy> arf it's me who has the record
20:51 <epsy> we need an mvp -.-
20:51 <epsy> and shots
20:51 <pavelo> epsy: is it possible to obtain the recording ?
20:51 <epsy> yes
20:52 <epsy> i'ill upload it shortly
20:52 <Lackadaisical> i only have 1 (the second match)
20:52 <epsy> seems i need to do them myself
20:52 <pavelo> i can make some (when i get the recording)
20:52 <epsy> ok
20:53 <pavelo> i want to watch anyway
20:53 <Lackadaisical> which version is it recorded in?
20:53 <xfroggy> mkzelda, ping
20:53 <epsy> stable
20:53 <pavelo> aka ?
20:54 <epsy> Latest Version:
20:56 <epsy> uploading
20:56 <FoFo> gz kod
20:56 <epsy> indeed :d
20:57 <epsy> http://kowsklan.free.fr/recordings/afl/2007Fall/Week%201/TDvsKoD-2007-10-14-AFL.aarec.zip
20:58  * epsy now gets on shoutbox again
20:58 <pavelo> downloading
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20:59 <epsy> flex, FFS http://java.freenode.net/
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21:01 <pavelo> epsy: [/tmp/TDvsKoD-2007-10-14-AFL.aarec.zip]
21:01 <pavelo>   End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
21:01 <pavelo>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
21:01 <pavelo>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
21:01 <pavelo>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
21:02 <epsy> try dl'ing again
21:02 <epsy> wait
21:03 <epsy> hm
21:03 <MaZuffeR> you can still watch it pavelo
21:03 <MaZuffeR> atleast i can
21:04 <epsy> shit
21:04 <pavelo> how did you extract it ?
21:04 <epsy> i just deleted it from my hd
21:04 <pavelo> lol
21:04 <epsy> MaZuffeR, zip it and DCC it to me
21:04 <MaZuffeR> ok
21:06 <epsy> works ?
21:06 <epsy> seems not
21:06 <MaZuffeR> blah, pidgin sucks, i'll upload it
21:07 <epsy> rofl you use pidgin for irc ? lol!
21:07  * pavelo too :)
21:07 <epsy> O_o
21:08 <G5_Ger> epsy: what is wrong with http://kowsklan.free.fr/recordings/afl/2007Fall/Week%201/TDvsKoD-2007-10-14-AFL.aarec.zip
21:08 <MaZuffeR> i use pidgin so that i dont have to run more than one app for icq msn and irc
21:09 <pavelo> G5_Ger: scroll up
21:09 <MaZuffeR> http://www.mazuffer.com/TDvsKoD-2007-10-14-AFL.zip
21:09 <G5_Ger> Ah I see and I agree ... just d/led and it is broken
21:10 <G5_Ger> Maz: Thats better ...
21:10 <MaZuffeR> yeah, it's broken in some way, but i can still watch the recording
21:10  * pavelo wonders what program did epsy use to compress it
21:10 <epsy> 7 Mo woa
21:10 <epsy> i use'd zip
21:10 <epsy> lol
21:10 <pavelo> MaZuffeR: how did you manage to extract it ?
21:11 <MaZuffeR> with ALzip
21:11 <epsy> lol
21:14 <hoop_tron> ive been useless on this match
21:14 <epsy> team strategy ---> team channel
21:14 <epsy> :P
21:14 <hoop_tron> haha ops
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21:22 <epsy> the recording has been uploaded again :)
21:22 <pavelo> same link ?
21:23 <epsy> yes
21:23 <epsy> http://kowsklan.free.fr/recordings/afl/2007Fall/Week%201/
21:23 <epsy> sorry about ADs
21:23 <epsy> i have no clue where they come from
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21:29 <flex> epsy, wtf you talking about..
21:29 <flex> i never spammed anything..
21:30 <epsy> we did
21:30 <flex> huh
21:30 <epsy> go in and try all your instants
21:30 <flex> where
21:31 <epsy> #sd ss.s
21:31 <armabot> epsy: ¦w¦-Fortress.Server: Players (7/16): -JuKy-, .Fzx, åppå	¦Ö¦FoFo, CtxOwned, F@]Mary, ¦×¥ W4z0r, ¦×¥flex
21:31 <flex> ok right wtf has it got to do with me lol
21:31 <epsy> aren't you admin ?
21:31 <flex> no..
21:33 <epsy> ah
21:33 <flex> who actually admin'd the game btw
21:33 <epsy> angel
21:34 <flex> damn what's td website again :P
21:35 <mkzelda> luke-jr_
21:35 <MaZuffeR> flex: http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/
21:35 <epsy> NO
21:35 <epsy> http://java.freenode.net/
21:35 <epsy> http://java.freenode.net/
21:35 <mkzelda> luke-jr_: How's the Live-userpriv use flag work?
21:35 <epsy> http://java.freenode.net/
21:35 <epsy> http://java.freenode.net/
21:36 <epsy> should i really restrict the use of the appelet to TD members ?
21:36 <flex> yo epsy can you record for us at x v ct?
21:37 <epsy> mmkay
21:38 <flex> Warning: mysql_fetch_row(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /mnt/167/sda/2/a/tronicdonkeys/pages/shoutbox.php on line 10
21:38 <flex> Warning: mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /mnt/167/sda/2/a/tronicdonkeys/pages/shoutbox.php on line 11
21:38 <flex> epsy^^
21:38 <epsy> i know
21:38 <epsy> this is the mess i'm doing right now
21:38 <epsy> seems to be fixed
21:39 <epsy> except you can't shout at all :p
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21:45 <flex> games starting soon epsy want to get it on the server please? :)
21:46 <epsy> ah
21:46 <epsy> server ?
21:47 <epsy> nvm
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21:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:48 <ghableska> #tea
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 60.1°F (2:48 PM CDT on October 14, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 28.87 in 977.5 hPa (Rising).
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): 2020, Bishop, Dez, Fzx.Turt, G5, MaZuffeR, Radian, Robert C&T, skylla, Sofa King, ~*SP*~ d3m0n
21:48 <mkzelda> anyone know what server TR is on?
21:49 <mkzelda> nm
21:49 <mkzelda> why does it keep crashing !&*@
21:50 <mkzelda> *** glibc detected *** armagetronad: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0000000000e81610 ***
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21:57 <mkzelda> it finally stopped
21:57 <mkzelda> spidey
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21:57 <spidey> ?
21:58 <mkzelda> come play for ucf/fa
21:58 <spidey> atm i don't have tron installed
21:58 <mkzelda> u could've installed it by now
21:59 <mkzelda> i mean, the time it took to type that
21:59 <spidey> i could
21:59 <mkzelda> they really need some players
21:59 <mkzelda> gonna have to forfeit
22:00 <spidey> growl
22:00 <spidey> but i do suck
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22:00 <spidey> can i even play?
22:00 <mkzelda> yes
22:00 <flex> omg.. epsy kick someone..
22:00 <flex> i can't join
22:01 <spidey> i think i have to be on the team list
22:04 <spidey> mkzelda: what server foo?
22:04 <mkzelda> wild west fort
22:04 <mkzelda> er, ww, afl
22:05 <pavelo> epsy: i have screenshots for first two matches. couldn't get the third, the end of file is corrupted
22:06 <epsy> mh
22:07 <pavelo> i just need to figure out how to where/how to upload them
22:07 <epsy> give them to me
22:07 <epsy> well
22:08 <epsy> http://durkas.info/afl/results.php?mode=report
22:10 <pavelo> epsy: https://davinci.fmph.uniba.sk:444/~labath2/
22:10 <pavelo> ignore the expired certificate thingy :)
22:11 <epsy> could you like them yourself ? i(m really busy
22:11 <epsy> O_o
22:11 <pavelo> ok, ill try
22:11 <flex> epsy
22:12 <flex> !
22:12 <flex> rejoin
22:12 <epsy> *could you please upload them yourself,
22:12 <epsy> flex, ???
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22:17 <pavelo> #lastseen durka
22:17 <armabot> pavelo: Durka has last been seen on  Wild West  =AFL Fortress= 1 hour 9 minutes ago.
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22:21 <mago> hola
22:21 <epsy> hi
22:22 <mago> buenas noches
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22:35 <spidey> that's the last time i play in the afl xD
22:35 <mkzelda> :D
22:36 <mkzelda> thanks for that
22:36 <mkzelda> u did well
22:36 <spidey> wish i was still as good as i used to be
22:36 <spidey> =/
22:36 <mkzelda> u didnt seem that rusty, u just didnt have a lot of support from your team
22:36 <mkzelda> when u had time to set up u did well
22:37 <spidey> btw
22:37 <spidey> since when did people start using holes?
22:37 <spidey> last time i played that was like a sin
22:37 <MaZuffeR> people always use holes in tourneys
22:37 <spidey> not when i used to play they didn't :P
22:38 <mkzelda> pretty much once SP played a tourney :D
22:38 <spidey> SP is still around?
22:38 <pavelo> using holes is pretty common, making them intentionally is rare
22:38 <spidey> ffs
22:38  * spidey deletes tron again
22:38 <mkzelda> lol
22:39 <spidey> o yea
22:39 <spidey> now that i'm on windows
22:39  * spidey installs all his old games
22:41 <DrJoeTron> people actually hole now?
22:41 <DrJoeTron> about fucking time
22:42  * spidey sticks his ... in DrJoeTron's ... and spits his ... on DrJoeTron's teeth
22:43 <luke-jr_> holes are a tactic
22:43 <DrJoeTron> nose and hair
22:43 <luke-jr_> learn to counter them if you don't like em
22:43 <spidey> DrJoeTron: you missed one!
22:43 <spidey> luke-jr_: you suck at tron
22:43 <luke-jr_> not as much as you do
22:43 <spidey> and freeciv, for that matter ;p
22:43 <spidey> luke-jr_: wanna bet? :D
22:43 <luke-jr_> yes
22:44 <luke-jr_> but I'm the judge
22:44 <luke-jr_> ☺
22:44 <spidey> ...
22:44 <luke-jr_> LOL
22:44 <spidey> luke-jr_: you should fix my sound card on ubuntu :P
22:45 <Gursikh> Have you tried rebooting?
22:46  * spidey drop kicks Gursikh
22:47 <Gursikh> hee hee
22:47 <Gursikh> just too funny
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23:07 <spidey> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054
23:07 <spidey> holy fuck
23:07 <spidey> hah
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23:15 <FoFo40> CT vs X : 1 - 3 nice matches
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23:33 <flex> wow that server sucked ass
23:34 <flex> jeeeez someone clearly was hosting it via the sewage system
23:34  * epsy remembers that google-hoax
23:35 <flex> that was quite stupid
23:35 <epsy> yea lol
23:35 <epsy> epsy Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:36 pm:   http://java.freenode.net/ and stop using the apelet on my site or i lock it for team use only
23:35 <epsy> flex, understood ?
23:35 <flex> fuck you? :)
23:36 <epsy> right, you got it
23:36 <flex> I wasn't using it.. I only gave it to FoFO
23:36 <epsy> give a link on the java.freenode page
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23:36 <flex> which version of the client did you use to record btw?
23:36 <epsy> stable as always
23:37 <epsy> ct|kyle discovered #armagetron w00t
23:37 <flex> can't seem to watch it on v3
23:37 <ct|kyle> epsy: i was here other day
23:37 <ct|kyle> flex: you can't
23:37 <epsy> flex, 0.3 isn't 'stable'
23:37 <flex> it used to work fine
23:37 <flex> for some other recordings
23:37 <ct|kyle> no build 7224 of trunk is not stable epsy
23:38 <ct|kyle> :P
23:38 <ct|kyle> flex: they were o.3.0 recordings
23:38 <epsy> it sometimes work when you have luck
23:38 <flex> yeah sometimes I guess
23:43 <ct|kyle> .ct
23:43 <ct|kyle> lol
23:43 <flex> is it possible to edit the recording and have it as default cam as "custom" as sometimes it bugs when you change it during playback
23:44 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as luke-jr
23:46 <epsy> open the record
23:47 <epsy> look the first part
23:48 <flex> what am i looking for?
23:48 <ct|kyle> flex:  what does x tag look like
23:49 <flex> ¦×¦
23:49 <ct|kyle> nm
23:49 <flex> epsy, what am i looking for
23:50  * ct|kyle knew he had an error
23:51 <ct|kyle> http://crazy-tronners.com/battles
23:57 <epsy> flex, settings :P
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01:50 <Durka> Lucifer: help!
01:50 <Durka> P4 are u here?
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07:50 <epsy> sorry about the join/part spam, now it works :)
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07:53 <tramshed> hah
07:55 <epsy> cu
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09:22 <epsy> here, free time
09:22 <epsy> #onlineservers
09:22 <armabot> epsy: This data is 23 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (5/10), >3D>AzN Eternal Destiny Server DF (2/6), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (2/14), WILDCAT (2/8), .: Eclipse'd.EC|d Arma Clan :. (2/16)
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14:52 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
14:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD I CAN DO THIS
14:53 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
14:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
14:53 <DrJoeTron> Ah ha
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15:38 <ct|sol> anyone here?
15:38 <ct|kyle> yes
15:39 <eddiefantastic> hi ct|sol
15:43 <ct|sol> :D
15:48 <ct|sol> I'm looking for a command like /teamleave but the oposite: to join a team... /teamjoin doesn't exist. anything else?
15:57 <ct|kyle> ct|sol: no there is not currently
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17:44 <duudii> #insult noob7
17:44 <armabot> noob7 - You are nothing but a gleeking half-mouthful of fen-sucked warts.
17:44 <duudii> ;)
17:46 <noob7> ASSTUNNEL!
17:46 <noob7> #cyborg duudii
17:46 <armabot> noob7: D.U.U.D.I.I.: Digital Upgraded Unit Designed for Immediate Infiltration
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18:36 <wrtlprnft> the forums don't seem to be responding…
18:36 <wrtlprnft> i can connect to apache, but i don't get a reply to my GET /
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19:29 <flex> epsy
19:29 <flex> ?
19:29 <epsy> flex
19:29 <epsy> ?
19:29 <flex> want a game this week? :)
19:29 <epsy> err when ?
19:29 <flex> I'm not sure but during this week
19:42 <MrBougo> HELLO
19:42 <MrBougo> sorry
19:42 <ct|kyle> HELLO
19:42 <ct|kyle> sorry
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20:11 <GodTodd>  gotta love any religion that insists you engage in cannibalism
20:11 <GodTodd> [2007-10-15 08:44] <luke-jr> Christ explicitly says we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we cannot have everlasting life
20:12 <GodTodd> :)
20:20 <deja_vu> ^^
20:21  * deja_vu smites spidey >:D
20:24 <flex> Who likes a challenge? :)
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20:24 <luke-jr> obviously not MrBougo
20:25 <flex> lol
20:26 <flex> http://wwwd.name/armagetron/forum/index.php?action=arcade;sa=play;game=469
20:26 <flex> beat me :P
20:30 <flex> actually! whoever can beat me and keep the score for 5days I'll pay via paypal $10!
20:32 <noob7> post that on the board
20:33 <flex> which one?
20:33 <luke-jr> You have not installed Adobe Flash Player, you need install it before you can play,
20:33 <luke-jr> Flash is not worth $10
20:33 <flex> pfff lol
20:34 <flex> flash is free :P
20:34 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: is not worth $10
20:34  * ct|kyle wonders how much he had to pay for his wief
20:34 <luke-jr> flex: liar
20:35 <flex> ct|kyle, your whole income till you die? :P
20:36 <ct|kyle> no luke-jr had to pay to get his wife
20:38 <luke-jr> liar
20:38 <GodTodd> ct|kyle: nope...brainwashing is free ;)
20:38 <flex> don't you have to be smart for that? :)
20:39 <GodTodd> not if you have someone else do it for you
20:39 <ct|kyle> ah that is what he did
20:39 <GodTodd> yep
20:39 <flex> who brain washes for free? :P
20:39 <GodTodd> many religions :)
20:40 <flex> wait sorry am i in the anti-religion channel? :P
20:40 <luke-jr> you're the one who's brainwashed
20:40 <GodTodd> flex: nope
20:40 <GodTodd> luke-jr: liar
20:41 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:41 <GodTodd> luke-jr: liar
20:41 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:41 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: you lie
20:41 <GodTodd> luke-jr: liar
20:41 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:42 <GodTodd> see? :)
20:42 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:43 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: you brainwash GodTodd: you helped luke-jr
20:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:44 <GodTodd> ?
20:44 <ct|kyle> :D
20:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:44 <ct|kyle> put a , after brainwash
20:45 <GodTodd> only time i'd help luke-jr is with assisted suicide ;)
20:45 <luke-jr> GodTodd: u
20:45 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: why haven't you started helping hin then?
20:46 <ct|kyle> i'm sure luke-jr has always wanted suicide, go ahead give him a hand
20:46 <GodTodd> nah...he'd have to request it
20:46 <GodTodd> otherwise it's murder
20:47 <luke-jr> GodTodd: please help me get to Heaven
20:47 <GodTodd> can't help you to a state of mind
20:47 <GodTodd> you'd need a mind first :D
20:47 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: there is no Heaven
20:47 <flex> heaven is a state of mind?
20:47 <GodTodd> yep
20:47 <flex> orly..
20:47 <GodTodd> rly
20:48 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: liar
20:48 <luke-jr> GodTodd lies too
20:49 <GodTodd> ok...i will fulfill that...the true catholic church is the only church and the only way to salvation
20:49 <GodTodd> see? pack of lies :D
20:49 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: get a mind of your own so you can think past the ideas of God
20:49 <ct|kyle> once you get past those ideas luke-jr then you can call me a lier
20:51 <luke-jr> liar
20:51 <luke-jr> http://ifpi.com
20:52 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: lier
20:53 <luke-jr> u
20:53 <ct|kyle> you are luke-jr
20:53 <flex> ct|kyle, so what exactly is the point of "mind of your own"
20:53 <flex> what would be the outcome?
20:53 <ct|kyle> he is living based upon his gods mind
20:57 <flex> i've always wanted to be part of a pirate federations..
20:58 <flex> how do i join
21:00 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: God is Truth
21:00 <luke-jr> anything else is living in a fictional world
21:00 <luke-jr> or trying to
21:00 <Lucifer> God is lies
21:00 <Lucifer> anything else is sociopathic
21:02 <luke-jr> liar
21:02 <eddiefantastic> I went to camp god for the weekend once, my friend had religious parents.
21:02 <eddiefantastic> I was weird
21:03 <ct|kyle> luke-jr= liar
21:03 <ct|kyle> God is myth. Prove God
21:04 <eddiefantastic> We had to sneak off on Sunday to go skating. We were supposed to be "resting"
21:04 <eddiefantastic> My friend, let's call him Daniel, for that is his name
21:05 <eddiefantastic> was having doubts about this whole god thing. He'd been brought up in a strictly religious house all his life
21:05 <eddiefantastic> But it all seemed like a load of nonsence to hime
21:06 <ct|kyle> it is all stories
21:06 <eddiefantastic> After 3 days with me, I convinced him it most probably was
21:06 <ct|kyle> False Stories
21:07 <eddiefantastic> Still, one of the nicest guys I know
21:07 <Lucifer> can't be nice without jesus, can't be mean without him either
21:07 <flex> don't lie ed.. you went there to turn yourself straight!
21:07 <eddiefantastic> Even though he no longer believes in God
21:07 <eddiefantastic> But don't tell his folks, they'd go spare
21:08 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: abd
21:08 <eddiefantastic> I've never dranks so much tea or eaten so much cake in my life
21:09 <eddiefantastic> nice people, the lot of them, and jesus christ, could they sing
21:09 <eddiefantastic> but a bit odd
21:09 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: it is abcd for the start of the alphabet not abd
21:09 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: abd = already been done
21:10 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: factual proof?
21:10 <luke-jr> sure
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21:11 <GodTodd> luke-jr always points to the "fact" that the existence of god has been proven but never shows where or how
21:12 <tramshed> Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
21:12 <tramshed> Yeah, Makes perfect sense.
21:12 <ct|kyle> and by Facts all must be proven by Science
21:12 <GodTodd> i can say it's been proven that little purple people ass rape luke-jr at night too
21:14 <ct|kyle> tramshed: Christianity is one of the most common forms of the disease Religion. Symptoms of the virus include starving yourself until you pray to your food, having delusions that a superhuman being created the entire fucking universe, smiling like an asshole, giving away money to money depositories(Churches), feelings of guilt, semen back-up, no apparent attraction to the opposite sex, no sense of humor, and AIDS.
21:14 <luke-jr> tramshed: that's protestantism, at best
21:15 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: see http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Christianity for more facts on Christianity
21:15 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: lies you mean
21:15 <tramshed> If its any consolation, I dont care for any religion
21:15 <ct|kyle> FACTS
21:15 <tramshed> its an old method of social control
21:15 <ct|kyle> tramshed: exactly
21:16 <tramshed> I mean, now if I could make my own cult and get some people worshipping me, I would want it continued in perpetuity as well
21:16 <mkzelda> heh
21:16 <mkzelda> awesome, i havent had one of these convos in a minute
21:16 <GodTodd> tramshed: i would qualify that with "organized religion"
21:16 <tramshed> You guys are lucky I wasnt a caveman
21:16 <tramshed> you would all be worshipping spam by now
21:16 <mkzelda> heh
21:16 <ct|kyle> heh
21:17 <spidey> u
21:17 <mkzelda> i just had to attend 12 hrs of catholic bullshit
21:17 <tramshed> lol
21:17 <mkzelda> for my upcoming marriage
21:17 <tramshed> To be honest I find churches kind of creepy
21:17 <GodTodd> ew...catholic wedding?
21:17 <GodTodd> ;)
21:17 <mkzelda> yea i dont want it
21:18 <mkzelda> its funny how they encourage procreation yet they're promoting original sin
21:18 <luke-jr> then it's not Catholic
21:18  * GodTodd did the minister (no idea what denomination) in a relative's living room thing :)
21:18 <mkzelda> the couple teaching us about how natural family planning works had 9 kids
21:19 <mkzelda> Oh we swear it works, we have 9 kids
21:19 <GodTodd> naturally
21:19 <GodTodd> :D
21:19 <mkzelda> hah
21:19 <mkzelda> i had to fill out this 200 page work book
21:19 <eddiefantastic> luke-jr: Why do you always go for the bait?
21:19 <luke-jr> mkzelda: see, exactly
21:19 <mkzelda> and it said that natural family planning is more effective than condoms or birth control
21:19 <luke-jr> if it promotes birth control, it is not Catholic
21:19 <mkzelda> lol, say that to the aids
21:20 <mkzelda> it doesnt promote birth control
21:20 <mkzelda> re-read
21:20 <luke-jr> NFP is birth control idiot
21:20 <mkzelda> lol
21:20 <mkzelda> abstinence is birth control?
21:20 <luke-jr> no, NFP is
21:20 <mkzelda> selectively abstaining
21:20 <ct|kyle> yes
21:20 <luke-jr> well
21:20 <mkzelda> all nfp is, is selectively abstaining
21:20 <luke-jr> abstinence can be
21:21 <mkzelda> then you've met the contradiction
21:21 <luke-jr> Admittedly, NFP does have legitimate uses
21:21 <tramshed> regardless of specific rules and denominations, all the little sects of chrstianity have issues
21:21 <mkzelda> they promote abstinence yet its a firm of birth control
21:21 <luke-jr> tramshed: Christianity has no division
21:21 <tramshed> if its not one thing, its another
21:21 <tramshed> then why do all of them not agree?
21:21 <tramshed> on basically anything
21:22 <mkzelda> yea, even w/in the katholic church
21:22 <tramshed> if they believe in jesus, they are christians
21:22 <tramshed> then you got jews, some of whom still practice magic
21:23 <luke-jr> tramshed: all Christians agree on all doctrines
21:23 <tramshed> and buddhists who really think they are gonna come back as a bug or something
21:23 <tramshed> no they dont
21:23 <tramshed> if they did they wouldnt of splintered off into so many sects
21:24 <luke-jr> they didn't
21:24 <luke-jr> those are heretics
21:24 <luke-jr> and are not Christian
21:24 <tramshed> haha
21:24 <tramshed> literal interpretation of the bible is insane
21:24 <luke-jr> they should be locked up to get the heresies back under control
21:24 <tramshed> so im assuming you dont shave
21:24 <luke-jr> forget the Bible for a bit
21:24 <luke-jr> no, I'm too lazy to shave
21:24 <tramshed> well, if not the bible, who makes up the rules
21:25 <tramshed> god aint talking
21:25 <luke-jr> the Church, of course
21:25 <tramshed> which one?
21:25 <luke-jr> and Natural Law is given us by God and never changes
21:25 <luke-jr> the one Christ founded, of course
21:25 <tramshed> which is?
21:26 <tramshed> religion is a bunch of lies, the only reason it hangs on is because people WANT to have some reassurance of thier place after death
21:26 <luke-jr> …
21:26 <luke-jr> liar
21:26 <tramshed> not at all
21:26 <luke-jr> yep
21:27 <tramshed> you just said yourself they were a bunch of heretics
21:27 <tramshed> so if they are doing it wrong, why do they continue?
21:27 <tramshed> perhaps because they fear death, and want to believe that some supernatural power will intervene
21:27 <luke-jr> because they like to deny reality
21:27 <luke-jr> they don't want to admit the truth
21:27 <luke-jr> just like the atheists
21:28 <tramshed> so what about buddhists
21:28 <tramshed> or druidism
21:28 <luke-jr> buddhists are just stupid
21:28 <luke-jr> they ignore Buddha's prophesies that they should follow Christ
21:29 <tramshed> buddha never told them to follow christ
21:29 <luke-jr> did so
21:29 <tramshed> yeah, im gonna have to ask for proof on that one.
21:30 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: you pronanly read a don't as a do
21:30 <ct|kyle> probably*
21:30 <mkzelda> buddha doesnt even believe in himself
21:31 <ct|kyle> well duh he is dead
21:31 <luke-jr> "Then the old Brahman priest asked, 'What will the characteristics of the Holy One be like?' The Buddha answered him, 'The Holy One who will keep the world in the future will be like this:
21:31 <luke-jr> in the palm of his hands and in the flat of his feet will be the design of a disk, in his side will be a stab wound;
21:31 <mkzelda> i already see 'like'
21:31 <luke-jr> and his forehead will have many marks like scars.
21:31 <tramshed> and where is that from luke-jr
21:31 <mkzelda> oh shit im the holy one
21:31 <spidey> hahah
21:31 <luke-jr> This Holy One will be the golden boat who will carry you over the cycle of rebirths all the way to the highest heaven.
21:32  * spidey praises mkzelda 
21:32 <tramshed> because that personally sounds a bit like the wheel of time's dragon
21:32 <luke-jr> Do not look for salvation in the old way; there is no salvation in it for sure. Quit the old way.
21:32 <spidey> stfu luke =/
21:32 <luke-jr> And there will be a new spirit like the light of a lightening bug which will come down from the sky above to live in all of your hearts
21:32 <mkzelda> i got stabbed in high school, i have a scar on my forehead from hitting the corner of a desk, and i have a funny birthmark on my foot
21:32 <luke-jr> and you will be victorious over all your enemies. Nobody will be able to destroy you.
21:33 <luke-jr> If you die, you will not come back to be born in this world again. You will go to the highest heaven.
21:33 <mkzelda> fuck yeah!
21:33 <tramshed> unless you dont agree to be my eternal slave forever
21:33 <tramshed> then you will burn for eternity
21:33 <luke-jr> -- the Buddhist Scriptures from Wat Phra Sing in ChiangMai Province.
21:34 <mkzelda> thats PROOF
21:34 <tramshed> well, im glad you cited a source
21:34 <tramshed> but that doesnt say worship jesus
21:34 <mkzelda> unfortunately it sounds like those commercials for drugs where i fit all the symptoms
21:34 <tramshed> haha
21:35 <mkzelda> i may have PMDD
21:35 <mkzelda> and be the holy one
21:35 <spidey> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-Compaq-D530S-P4-2-66Ghz-40GB-512MB-CD-XP-SFF_W0QQitemZ280161908604QQihZ018QQcategoryZ140072QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
21:35 <spidey> look at the OS
21:36 <mkzelda> more like the holey one amirite?
21:36 <tramshed> haha, dos
21:36 <spidey> yea
21:36 <spidey> it must blaze on those specs
21:36 <spidey> lol
21:36 <luke-jr> I know someone who ♡ DOS
21:37 <mkzelda> hrm i see XP
21:37 <spidey> you do?
21:37 <spidey> no not the sticker
21:37 <mkzelda>  • Windows XP Pro COA, ready for your installation, no media included
21:37 <tramshed> Windows XP Pro COA, ready for your installation, no media included
21:37 <tramshed> err
21:37 <spidey> look down further
21:37 <tramshed> yeah
21:37 <spidey> the os installed is DOS
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21:37 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean?
21:37 <luke-jr> ready for your installation, but no media?
21:38 <luke-jr> wtf
21:38 <luke-jr> how are you going to install it without media?
21:38 <mkzelda> b/c its an image of the install on the hd
21:38 <luke-jr> stupid
21:38 <mkzelda> thats how all dell/gateway's ship now
21:38 <mkzelda> its partially installed
21:38 <mkzelda> and u turn it on, and it asks you for machine name and stuff like that
21:38 <luke-jr> not all!
21:38 <luke-jr> Dell has Ubuntu systems
21:39 <ct|kyle> mkzelda: that is not the same as DOS
21:39 <mkzelda> i didnt say it is dos
21:39 <ct|kyle> and DELLS can come with ubuntu
21:39 <mkzelda> and apparently i should update my qualifiers
21:39 <luke-jr> ☺
21:40 <mkzelda> i meant it generically, like "this is what the kids are up to these days"
21:40 <mkzelda> doesnt mean every single kid on the planet does it
21:40 <spidey> dell sucks
21:40 <spidey> i spent 40 minutes taking a mobo out
21:40 <luke-jr> mkzelda: ☺
21:40 <mkzelda> ive been installing a lot of machines for government clients lately
21:40 <spidey> because there's screws under the CPU
21:40 <spidey> and i didn't see them =/
21:40 <luke-jr> spidey: …
21:40 <spidey> they put screws under the cpu/heat sink
21:40 <mkzelda> and all the machines have come w/ this pre-half-install of xp
21:41 <luke-jr> that's impossible
21:41 <spidey> nope
21:41 <spidey> tell that to my diminsion 2400 then
21:41 <luke-jr> there's no room for anything under the CPU…
21:41 <spidey> tell that to my diminsion 2400 then
21:41 <luke-jr> maybe an oversized heatsink…
21:41 <luke-jr> but not the CPU
21:41 <mkzelda> ive had to do that before too spidey
21:41 <tramshed> [Current 93 / Sickness of Snakes - Nightmare Culture - KillyKillyKilly] [6:06/12:21]
21:41 <mkzelda> intel p4 sock 423's had that
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21:42 <mkzelda> *SOME*
21:42 <luke-jr> P4 sucks
21:42 <mkzelda> had that
21:42 <mkzelda> heh
21:42 <spidey> luke-jr: does not
21:42 <mkzelda> his comes w/ a special attachment
21:43 <mkzelda> completely katholic approved
21:43 <mkzelda> his p4 sucks
21:43 <spidey> mine?
21:43 <spidey> pft
21:43 <mkzelda> yours doesnt have the special attachment
21:43 <luke-jr> all P4 suck
21:43 <luke-jr> slow and inefficient
21:43 <luke-jr> P3s totally pwnt P4s
21:43 <spidey> worked fine for me
21:43 <luke-jr> 800 MHz P3 can outperform 2 GHz P4 IIRC
21:43 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: windows reboots 3 times while instilling most companies only install everything up to the 2nd reboot. all this does is allows the customer to creat acount and stuff
21:44 <mkzelda> hahaha
21:44 <spidey> doesn't matter tho
21:44 <mkzelda> maybe the 2ghz p4s when intel bailed on rambus and got stuck in sdram limbo
21:44 <spidey> i have a 1.8ghz duron now :O
21:44 <spidey> well, overclocked to 2.3ghz
21:44 <mkzelda> i have an amd fx-53
21:45 <mkzelda> and im not a fan of intel, but i dont think they all suck
21:45 <luke-jr> the newer Intel CPUs are fine
21:45 <spidey> mkzelda: except celerons
21:45 <luke-jr> just not P4
21:45 <luke-jr> spidey: depends on which model
21:45 <spidey> celerons belong in servers, not desktops
21:45 <mkzelda> heh what?
21:45 <mkzelda> maybe home servers
21:45 <mkzelda> nothing critical
21:45 <spidey> the celeron mobo i have sucked in a desktop system
21:45 <spidey> but it was nice as a server
21:46 <mkzelda> as long as u dont have to do anything with it, its great
21:46 <luke-jr> spidey: originally "celeron" meant "it didn't work, so we had to turn stuff off"
21:46 <spidey> mkzelda: the FA dedicated server has a 2.5ghz celeron
21:46 <spidey> it runs 2 tremulous servers, 2 soldat servers, 5 tron servers, apache2 , mysql
21:46 <mkzelda> so thats the problem :D
21:46 <mkzelda> jk
21:46 <spidey> and still proforms nice
21:47 <mkzelda> where the hell is that server
21:47 <spidey> utah
21:47 <mkzelda> i get a worse ping to it than eu
21:47 <spidey> i get a worse ping to eu =/
21:47 <spidey> maybe your isp's routing sucks? :P
21:47 <mkzelda> thats a luke-jr answer
21:47 <spidey> <3
21:48 <spidey> i generally get a 50ms ping
21:48 <luke-jr> LOLO
21:48 <spidey> hell
21:48 <spidey> lizz gets a 250~ ping
21:48 <spidey> and she's in australia
21:48 <mkzelda> i get 150-225
21:49 <spidey> i get a 150 on fortress cafe
21:49 <spidey> which luke says is impossible :P
21:49 <mkzelda> i get 120-150 on cafe
21:49 <mkzelda> usually 130
21:49  * luke-jr could do a ~50 ping to .au if anyone wanted to get a 32-slot server
21:50 <spidey> liar
21:50 <spidey> .au b/w is overly expensive
21:50 <spidey> i was gonna get a au server for lizz way back when i actually had money :P
21:51 <mkzelda> i have some au friends that have managed to get good bw there, it still routes like shit to the rest of the world tho
21:51 <luke-jr> spidey: I can
21:52 <luke-jr> but as mkzelda notes, it of course will have a higher ping outside of .au
22:02 <spidey> grrr
22:03 <spidey> i'm missing 5 psu cords =/
22:03 <mkzelda> 5?
22:03 <spidey> 5.
22:03 <spidey> i used to have alot of them
22:03 <mkzelda> i have an extra 30 or so
22:03 <spidey> can't find one now, and i need 34 =/
22:03 <spidey> er
22:03 <spidey> 4*
22:05 <mkzelda> man i hate having to wear pants for one of my clients
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22:11 <GodTodd> the rest let you wear underwear?
22:11 <mkzelda> pretty much
22:11 <mkzelda> nah, the others let me wear normal clothes
22:11 <mkzelda> but this one has a requirement i wear pants
22:11 <GodTodd> that'd be an interesting face-to-face ;)
22:11 <mkzelda> yea its like seeing eye-to-eye with a midget
22:11 <mkzelda> in the winter ill wear some pants
22:12 <mkzelda> but its not fun when its hot out
22:12 <GodTodd> heh
22:12 <mkzelda> and my previous job had a dress code requiring shorts
22:12 <mkzelda> i hate pants
22:12 <GodTodd> what were you? a ups driver? :P
22:13 <spidey> lol
22:13 <spidey> ups drivers are funny
22:13 <spidey> one of them that dropped the ram off the other day
22:13 <GodTodd> they have to be to go around wearing shit brown all day
22:13 <spidey> i went outside to sign/get it , and he through the package and took off running because my chihuahua started barking
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22:14 <mkzelda> i worked for Raleigh Parks & Rec, uniform was red shorts and a white shirt
22:14 <GodTodd> hey...never know when those chihuahuas are loaded with taco bell
22:15 <mkzelda> ive had many dogs that hate UPS and bark their balls off
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22:15 <mkzelda> but when fedex comes they dont care
22:15 <GodTodd> mkzelda: ahhh...wolfpack colors then ;)
22:15 <mkzelda> yeah
22:15 <mkzelda> http://wral.com/news/local/story/1925841/
22:15 <mkzelda> speaking of wolfpack, check that out
22:15 <mkzelda> i was at that wedding
22:15 <luke-jr> O.o
22:15 <mkzelda> sitting right where the camera is in that photo
22:16 <mkzelda> they got mr and mrs wuf to be at the wedding
22:16 <mkzelda> and they got purple school bus to play the reception
22:16 <mkzelda> was awesome
22:17 <mkzelda> most fun wedding ive ever been to
22:18 <spidey> bleh
22:18 <spidey> i hate going to weddings
22:18 <mkzelda> me too
22:18 <mkzelda> and baby showers
22:18 <mkzelda> and baby bdays
22:18 <mkzelda> shits getting out of hand
22:18 <spidey> everyone cries, it's like "awe man, i made a huge mistake, i'ma have to spend the rest of my life with this person *cry*
22:18  * GodTodd doesn't go to baby showers.
22:18 <mkzelda> every weekend for the last few months and the next to come has been some sort of wedding/baby related event
22:18 <mkzelda> fucking leaving me broke
22:19 <mkzelda> my friends were smart to get started first
22:19 <spidey> mkzelda: tell them you're sick
22:19 <mkzelda> cause if this keeps up ill never have the $ to do shit myself
22:19 <spidey> tell them you have the flu
22:20 <spidey> the day of the wedding
22:20 <spidey> xD
22:20 <mkzelda> well this coming weekend my sis-to-be-in-law is having a baby shower that my fiancee has to throw
22:20 <mkzelda> and ive neglected to go their last like 5 events
22:20 <mkzelda> partly cause house arrest
22:20 <mkzelda> heh
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22:25 <flex> greetings
22:28  * epsy greets flex 
22:28 <epsy> hi flex
22:28 <flex> .msg Lucifer what you wearin
22:28 <flex> ops
22:29 <flex> :P
22:30 <epsy> luke-jr,
22:30 <epsy> arg
22:30 <epsy> Lucifer, could you tell me WTF IS CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR ?
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22:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 60.1°F (3:37 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Rising).
22:39 <luke-jr> #armaconfig CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR
22:39 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR_ENEMY: Factor your speed is multiplied with when breaking from an enemy wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR_ENEMY_OVERRIDE: cycle_boostfactor_enemy_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR_RIM: Factor your speed is multiplied with when breaking from the rim wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_BOOSTFACTOR_RIM_OVERRIDE: cycle_boostfactor_rim_override_help (default: 3) || (1 more message)
22:39 <luke-jr> epsy: rtfm!
22:39 <epsy> O_o
22:39 <epsy> o_O
22:40 <epsy> my server doesn't know these settings
22:40 <luke-jr> mkzelda: just keep in mind that all birth control is evil, including contraception such as NFP
22:40 <luke-jr> epsy: maybe it's newer than 0.2.8
22:41 <epsy> it seems
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22:49 <mkzelda> so how is that not a contradiction, by saying birth control is evil, then thats promoting sex, yet a child already has original sin right? so why promote an act of sin?
22:50 <mkzelda> and is saying 'no' to sex evil then?
22:50 <mkzelda> b/c thats abstaining, and thats a form of birth control
22:50  * epsy is going cu
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22:52 <DrJoeTron> you know guys
22:52 <DrJoeTron> driving is pretty dangerous
22:52 <ghableska> o.0
22:52 <Lucifer> did you get in a wreck, DrJoeTron (hi there!) /
22:52 <Lucifer> ?
22:52 <DrJoeTron> even with proper protection like seat belts and airbags you might still get severely injured
22:53 <DrJoeTron> infact you shouldn't drive at all.
22:53  * ghableska thinks people should be allowed to drink before they are allowed to drive
22:54 <DrJoeTron> I think we should think with portals
22:54 <ghableska> har
22:55 <DrJoeTron> fucking loved portal
22:55 <ghableska> stop teasing me :'/
22:55 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:56 <DrJoeTron> I'd totally side with Aperture Science over Black Mesa
22:56 <ghableska> because they have cake?
22:56 <DrJoeTron> THE CAKE IS A LIE
22:56 <Lucifer> why doesn't my print preview show two pages per sheet?
22:56 <DrJoeTron> woah Lucifer did you lose weight there?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> oh your name is smaller
22:57 <Lucifer> been working out
22:57 <DrJoeTron> how'd you pick up that nick
22:57 <Lucifer> Gursikh did it
22:57 <Lucifer> apparently the Lucifer that was here when I got here quit using it a year ago
22:58  * Gursikh runs away, "I DIDNT DO IT!"
22:58 <DrJoeTron> i thought freenode deletes users after 30 days of absense
22:58 <Lucifer> they just say they do :)
22:59 <Gursikh> no they dont
22:59 <Gursikh> they never drop them unless requested, and you generally need at least 90 days of inactivity
23:00 <DrJoeTron> ah
23:00 <mkzelda> i remember when it was called 'openprojects'
23:00 <DrJoeTron> i do not
23:00 <mkzelda> and #linpeople was about the only channel w/ 50 or more users
23:01 <DrJoeTron> i jumped on irc after it was "cool"
23:01 <DrJoeTron> lol ppl still use irc
23:01 <Lucifer> nothing but scumbags use irc
23:02 <Lucifer> so why doesn't the print preview accurately preview the print?
23:02 <Lucifer> that's fucked up
23:02 <DrJoeTron> the other server i used went crazy and booted everyone ff
23:02 <DrJoeTron> off*
23:02 <mkzelda> OO?
23:02 <mkzelda> anyway, later
23:03 <DrJoeTron> and half of the guys (who didn't boot everyone off) made another one with less crazy admins)
23:03 <Lucifer> mkzelda: konqueror viewing a pdf
23:03 <mkzelda> might be pdf/poppler problem
23:03 <DrJoeTron> also why is 2020 suggesting we ask buena vista to pitch armagetron in tron 2.0
23:04 <Lucifer> he wants us to get sued
23:04 <DrJoeTron> oh wait, cause he is fucking crazy
23:04 <Lucifer> 2020 is that kid that used to sit in the sand box and say "Hey, everyone, look at me!  I'm having fun!"
23:04 <DrJoeTron> in fact his custom title should be exactly that
23:04 <DrJoeTron> haha kid?
23:04 <DrJoeTron> he's like 30-40+
23:04 <Lucifer> he used to be a kid, DrJoeTron (hi there!)
23:05 <DrJoeTron> don't believe it for a second
23:05 <DrJoeTron> it seems like he is the self proclaimed Armagetron Profit
23:07 <DrJoeTron> alright I'll be back
23:08 <Lucifer> *Prophet
23:08 <Lucifer> a better question is, why is silly wasting his time and ours by coming back to talk trash?
23:08 <Lucifer> doesn't he have better things to do with his life?
23:13 <luke-jr> mkzelda: sex is not an act of sin
23:13 <luke-jr> mkzelda: within marriage
23:13 <luke-jr> the marriage covenant gives the spouse the exclusive right to sex, and then saying 'no' to your spouse is wrong
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23:33 <DrJoeTron> so its ok to rape your spuse luke-jr c/d?
23:34 <DrJoeTron> spouse even
23:35 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: did I say that?
23:36 <DrJoeTron> the marriage covenant gives the spouse the exclusive right to sex, and then saying 'no' to your spouse is wrong
23:36 <DrJoeTron> essentially yeah, you did
23:36 <luke-jr> nope
23:37 <DrJoeTron> that right there says "raping your spouse is perfectly acceptable since its the right thing to do"
23:37 <luke-jr> nope
23:37 <DrJoeTron> you understand what rape is right?
23:37 <DrJoeTron> are we on the same page of what that is?
23:37 <luke-jr> yep
23:37 <DrJoeTron> what is it
23:38 <luke-jr> unconsentual sex
23:38 <DrJoeTron> anytime they say "no"
23:38 <DrJoeTron> its rape
23:38 <luke-jr> same thing
23:38 <DrJoeTron> yup
23:38 <DrJoeTron> sooo
23:38 <DrJoeTron> how does your sentence not say "rape is a-ok"
23:39 <luke-jr> how does it?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> are you not reading anything I'm typing?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> do you need a brail plugin for your monitor?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> oh shit i should make that
23:39 <luke-jr> …
23:40 <DrJoeTron> no one make this
23:40 <DrJoeTron> its mine.
23:40 <luke-jr> liar
23:40 <DrJoeTron> no u
23:40 <luke-jr> they've been around for years
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23:40 <DrJoeTron> not mine it isn't
23:40 <luke-jr> …
23:40 <DrJoeTron> z-man be my witness
23:41 <luke-jr> anyhow
23:41 <luke-jr> if someone is unable to 'say "no"', they obviously didn't 'say "no"'
23:42 <DrJoeTron> im not talking about mute sex
23:42 <DrJoeTron> and apparently raping people who are voiceless is cool too :V
23:42 <luke-jr> put it another way…
23:42 <DrJoeTron> he marriage covenant gives the spouse the exclusive right to sex, and then saying 'no' to your spouse is wrong
23:43 <DrJoeTron> saying 'no' to your spouse is wrong
23:43 <Lucifer> that means you have to say "yes"
23:43 <luke-jr> if your wife sez no, it might be considered rape
23:43 <Lucifer> he's dancing around technicalities
23:43 <Lucifer> a person can say "yes" and still have it be rape
23:43 <DrJoeTron> might be?
23:43 <luke-jr> but your wife might be wrong in saying no too
23:43 <DrJoeTron> it IS
23:43 <Lucifer> I like what the satanic bible says on the subject
23:43 <Lucifer> if one or more adults is not consenting, it is rape, and since rape infringed on a person's sexual freedom, it is wrong
23:44 <Lucifer> much better than that jesus morality
23:44 <DrJoeTron> B&
23:44 <Lucifer> I actually require an overt act from my wife that shows she wants it :)
23:44 <Lucifer> which isn't hard to get
23:44 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron should learn to read
23:44 <luke-jr> or perhaps it's reason he's lacking in
23:44 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr should learn that rape is bad
23:45 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron should learn to read
23:45 <Lucifer> I also require an overt act from luke-jr's wife, and that's not hard to get either
23:45 <luke-jr> there are 2 entirely different matters
23:45 <luke-jr> 1. spouse is not permitted to refuse (with exceptions)
23:45 <DrJoeTron> hahaha (with exceptions)
23:45 <DrJoeTron> so ike turner raping tina
23:45 <DrJoeTron> that was ok
23:46 <luke-jr> 2. the issue of consent
23:46 <DrJoeTron> since they were married
23:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: I don't (want to) know anything about that
23:46 <luke-jr> put it this way
23:46 <Lucifer> heh, luke's wife is married, and I'm married, so it's not adultery :)
23:46 <luke-jr> Mrs. A cannot say "no" to Mr. A
23:46 <Lucifer> anyway, bbl, school
23:46 <DrJoeTron> spousal rape
23:46 <DrJoeTron> duh
23:46 <DrJoeTron> is a-ok
23:46 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: not if she doesn't say no
23:47 <DrJoeTron> we're talking about if she does
23:47 <DrJoeTron> not if she doesn't
23:47 <DrJoeTron> if she does its rape if you keep going.
23:47 <luke-jr> if she does, she is wrong for doing so
23:47 <DrJoeTron> exactly
23:47 <DrJoeTron> so
23:47 <DrJoeTron> rape is ok
23:47 <luke-jr> and most definitions of rape apply to the other side
23:47 <DrJoeTron> please
23:47 <DrJoeTron> wife raper
23:47 <DrJoeTron> :V
23:47 <luke-jr> because Mrs. A is wrong does not inherently justify the actions of Mr. A
23:48 <luke-jr> ever hear the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right"?
23:48 <ct|kyle> but 2 negatives make a positive
23:48 <luke-jr> if Mrs. A says no, she is wrong for saying no
23:48 <luke-jr> but she did still say no
23:48 <DrJoeTron> has nothing to do with "honey please stop" "DO IT FOR JESUS YOU SELFISH CUNT"
23:49 <luke-jr> if Mr. A still does it, it would still be rape
23:49 <DrJoeTron> thats what i fucking said
23:49 <luke-jr> and most likely wrong, for other reasons even if not wrong just as rape
23:49 <DrJoeTron> and thats what you're saying is ok
23:49 <luke-jr> so Mrs. A would be wrong for saying no, and Mr. A would be wrong for raping
23:50 <luke-jr> I never said it was okay
23:50 <luke-jr> I said it was wrong for Mrs. A to create the situation in the first place
23:50 <DrJoeTron> so she gets penalized for not wanting to be raped
23:50 <luke-jr> since marriage is inherently livelong consent
23:50 <DrJoeTron> i like your religion
23:50 <DrJoeTron> you guys sure like women.
23:51 <luke-jr> it's not rape if she consents, foo
23:51 <DrJoeTron> i didnt say it wasn't rape
23:51 <luke-jr> The woman has the same rights
23:51 <DrJoeTron> i said saying "no" and continuing is rape
23:51 <DrJoeTron> but saying "no" means you're a bad sinner
23:52 <luke-jr> saying "no" without just cause is denying your spouse their rights
23:52 <luke-jr> and it works both ways
23:53 <DrJoeTron> rape rape rape
23:56 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: rape is in fact a useless word
23:56 <luke-jr> since all sex outside of marriage should be the same crime
23:56 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr i love you
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00:18 <spidey> luke-jr: noone here cares about christian views except you, will you ever figure that out? :P
00:18 <spidey> or catholic
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00:25 <ct|kyle> like i said before luke-jr does not have his own mind.
00:27 <luke-jr> spidey: I'm not giving up ☺
00:27 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: or perhaps it is you who do not
00:28 <ct|kyle> I can think outside of Christianity therefore I have a mind of my own
00:34 <luke-jr> you cannot think inside Christianity
00:34 <luke-jr> I can think about fiction too
00:34 <luke-jr> but that does not change reality
00:37 <ct|kyle> I don't think inside Christianity because it makes no sense it is just a cult
00:37 <luke-jr> not true
00:37 <luke-jr> it is reality
00:40 <ct|kyle> prove for Christianity
00:40 <ct|kyle> you never have proof
00:44 <DrJoeTron> now now theres people who can and i tip my hat to those who can
00:44 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr just doesn't do the best job convincing.
00:44 <DrJoeTron> and reminds me how great it is not to be catholic
00:44 <spidey> pft
00:45 <spidey> people yelling, and swinging there hands, and yelling at the sky
00:45 <spidey> sounds like a psycho to me
00:45 <DrJoeTron> sounds like an irc channel to me
00:45 <spidey> if someone claims to have spoken to god, or a servant of god, we class them as psychos
00:45 <spidey> yet we don't exclude the possibility?
00:46 <DrJoeTron> what do you mean "we"
00:46 <spidey> the general population
00:46 <DrJoeTron> according to the 2004 elections
00:46 <DrJoeTron> general population doesn't exclude the possibility :V
00:47 <spidey> you mean according to the 10% of the population that voted?
00:47 <DrJoeTron> yup
00:48 <DrJoeTron> actually no
00:48 <spidey> my opinion is religion is a weak mans way of getting through life
00:48 <DrJoeTron> i mean the electoral college who voted
00:48 <luke-jr> spidey: then you are a fool
00:48 <spidey> luke-jr: u
00:51  * spidey hopes a real life zombie outbreak occurs
00:51  * spidey wants to fight off zombies with his wooden paddel
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01:25 <ct|kyle> one thing luke-jr will agree on is that linux pwns
01:25 <Gursikh> yeah but windows is much better\
01:25 <spidey> ct|kyle: os/2 pwns
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01:30 <spidey> luke-jr: Lucifer GodTodd wanna play a freeciv game with me and a friend of mine?
01:35 <luke-jr> maybe
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01:56 <ct|kyle> How do i make doxygen Docs for tron?
01:58 <luke-jr> by hand
01:58 <luke-jr> ☺
01:59 <ct|kyle> what commands do i need to use
02:00 <luke-jr> probably make
02:03 <ct|kyle> make doxy
02:04 <ct|kyle> make: *** No rule to make target `doxy'.  Stop.
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02:44 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:44 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.3°F (7:43 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Rising).
02:49 <Gursikh> #weather 77381
02:50 <armabot> Gursikh: The current temperature in The Woodlands, Texas is 64.6°F (7:51 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
02:51 <Gursikh> cold, wet, and nasty ^^^ :-(
02:54 <luke-jr> just like GodTodd
02:54  * luke-jr hides
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03:04 <luke-jr> spidey: btw, IPv6 work yet?
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04:05 <Lucifer> spidey: you have friends?
04:06 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: luke-jr is his only friend
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04:19 <GodTodd> spidey has friends?
04:23 <ct|kyle> he does? other than luke-jr
04:24 <GodTodd> dunno
04:24 <spidey> Lucifer: ?
04:24 <GodTodd> tho...if luke-jr is your only friend you may as well have kevorkian on speed dial
04:25 <luke-jr> …
04:25 <spidey> luke-jr: on windows now
04:25 <spidey> last time i tried to setup ipv6 on windows, i timedout every 10 seconds
04:25 <luke-jr> …
04:25 <spidey> ...
04:26 <luke-jr> you were supposed to have deleted it
04:26 <spidey> i did
04:26 <spidey> then it didn't like my sound card
04:26 <spidey> so i deleted it
04:26 <spidey> 'er
04:26 <spidey> *nix didn't*
04:26 <spidey> it didn't like my onboard audio either
04:27 <luke-jr> bs
04:27 <spidey> u
04:27 <spidey> i finally got sound/alsa to work on the sound blaster live
04:27 <spidey> but then my mic wouldn't work
04:27 <spidey> after trying to get that working for about 2 hours i said fuck it :P
04:28 <spidey> onboard i couldn't even get to work
04:29 <spidey> it's a via ac97
04:29 <spidey> i tihnk
04:30 <luke-jr> works like a charm on all 2-4 systems of mine with it
04:30 <spidey> didn't for me
04:30 <luke-jr> bad hardware :D
04:31 <spidey> no
04:31 <spidey> it works on windows
04:31 <spidey> so does my sound blaster
04:32 <spidey> #bash would be so easy to abuse
04:34 <spidey> so, my origanol question
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr GodTodd civ?
04:35 <luke-jr> maybe
04:36 <Lucifer> spidey: no
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04:43 <GodTodd> spidey: nope
04:43 <ct|kyle> spidey: no
04:43 <spidey> ct|kyle: i didn' task you
04:43 <ct|kyle> i know :P
04:46 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: civ
04:46 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: Civ Sucks
04:46 <luke-jr> u
04:47 <ct|kyle> No
04:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: you suck
04:47 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: just is boring to me
04:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that's because you suck
04:47 <ct|kyle> tronning is way more fun
04:48  * Lucifer has inadvertantly sprung one of his old mechanic jokes
04:48 <Lucifer> tech: I can't get these brake shoes off without the springs snapping into my fingers
04:48 <Lucifer> Lucifer: that's because you suck
04:49 <spidey> tronning is fun?
04:49 <spidey> after 4 years of pressing left and right, it's boring to me
04:50 <ct|kyle> still fun in secound year
04:50 <tramshed> still fun to me
04:50 <spidey> then one day you'll be like
04:50 <spidey> wtf?
04:51 <ct|kyle> almost my 3rd year
04:51 <spidey> you can only get so good at that game
04:52 <spidey> then it becomes overly boring
04:52 <tramshed> resentment!
04:53 <ct|kyle> different servers add a bit of a twist
04:53 <ct|kyle> then again i was in one for 2 matches 2nd match i won by far
04:54 <ct|kyle> first time i played the server
04:54 <spidey> ct|kyle: not really
04:54 <spidey> i adopted pretty well
04:54 <spidey> except on funky-retarded settings
04:54 <ct|kyle> like?
04:54 <spidey> like that cycle width test on bugfarm way back when :P
04:55 <ct|kyle> I never really played that bugfarm. I always would slide all around in there
04:56 <spidey> was fine for me
04:56 <spidey> and i generally had a 200ping
04:56 <ct|kyle> i don't know but for some reason Ct wild fort was more stable on my system than that
04:57 <spidey> seriously?
04:57 <spidey> i lagged pretty hardcore on cwf
04:57 <ct|kyle> yes
04:57 <ct|kyle> and that was 32 axes chico
04:58 <ct|kyle> I lag so much more in there now.
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05:29 <Lucifer> even though he's not here, I'll offer an explanation :)
05:29 <Lucifer> I think kyle lives in the UK, doesn't he?  So his connection to another UK server (cwf) is more stable than an overseas connection to germany (bugfarm)
05:30 <Lucifer> whereas US connections to that particular server were very stable (bugfarm), but US connections to the UK server (cwf) are unstable
05:37 <GodTodd> woot
05:37  * GodTodd loves his new vacuum :)
05:37 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 61.2°F (10:34 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising).
05:49 <spidey> #weather 38256
05:49 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 65.7°F (10:52 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising).
06:01 <GodTodd> you're definitely in BFE when your weather station is "5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee"
06:01 <GodTodd> ;)
06:13 <spidey> ?
06:17 <Lucifer> BFE = Butt-Fucking Egypt
06:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: your roomba arrived, then?
06:18 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
06:18 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 67.6°F (11:17 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising).
06:18 <Lucifer> brrrr.  Gonna have to light up the fireplace soon
06:22 <GodTodd> Lucifer: yeah, friday
06:46 <spidey> *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ *̡͌l̡*
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06:55 <Lucifer> spidey: wtf?
06:57 <spidey> ?
06:57 <spidey> it's a house
06:58 <Durka> spidey: I added you to the roster ;)
06:59 <DrJoeTron> hurf durf
07:04 <Lucifer> joe hoe
07:05 <Lucifer> GodTodd: did you get one with the base station, or do you have to plug it in yourself?
07:05 <GodTodd> it's got a base station
07:06 <Lucifer> how does it work with the base station?  Does it go back to it on its own?
07:06 <GodTodd> yep
07:06 <GodTodd> it's rad :)
07:06 <Lucifer> that's cool.  We don't have a base station, so I'm pretty curious about it.  :)
07:07 <Lucifer> do you just hit a button to tell it to work, then?
07:07 <GodTodd> i hit max, it runs until it is low on battery, then it looks for the base station and goes home and charges
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <Lucifer> I take it it's doing a good job :)
07:07 <Lucifer> how's it working with the two storeys?
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah...got to test it on mud tonight
07:08 <Lucifer> or do you just have it on the storey with the most shit and do the other one by hand still?  ;)
07:08 <GodTodd> well...we're working it in...we're clearing area by area to make it's job easier
07:08 <GodTodd> its*
07:08 <Lucifer> those fuckers are amazing.  I didn't think it would actually make an area very clean, and then it did and I was amazed :)
07:08 <GodTodd> right now he patrols the living room and kitchen
07:08 <GodTodd> same here
07:09 <GodTodd> jasper dragged mud in from the backyard...1 pass and it was gone
07:09 <Lucifer> it doesn't clean as deeply as a regular vacuum, but it can run many times and you don't do any work whereas a vacuum is work
07:09 <Lucifer> I want one that'll steam clean :)
07:10 <GodTodd> that's what i told karen...it may take a few passes to get the same job done but hitting a button isn't exactly work ;)
07:10 <GodTodd> yeah...karen and i were talking about that last night
07:10 <GodTodd> heh
07:10 <Lucifer> and you're guaranteed a pass every time you hit the button :)
07:10 <Lucifer> it's still worthwhile to vacuum yourself every now and then, I noticed, you just don't have to do it nearly as much
07:10 <Lucifer> 4-6 times a year compared to once a week; quite a difference
07:11 <GodTodd> right
07:11 <GodTodd> our house needs vacuumed 3-4 times a week
07:11 <Lucifer> well worth the money.  :)  They're down to ~$150 at frye's right now
07:11 <GodTodd> that's a lot of fucking work
07:11 <GodTodd> ours is a model or so up
07:11 <GodTodd> cuz it's designed for homes with pets
07:11 <Lucifer> no shit!  Man, I wish ours was still working well.  Running the robot used to be a good motivator for getting the kids to pick up :)
07:12 <GodTodd> hell...my 1 year old vacuumed today :)
07:12 <Lucifer> yeah.  :)  Ours is the lowest model they have, and it's old too
07:12 <Lucifer> I should look into spare parts, because we *can* fix it and run it without buying a new one
07:13 <Lucifer> my youngest tore the corner sweeper off, and it's nearly useless without it
07:13 <GodTodd> i was making dinner and suddenly heard Kryten running and conor was laughing and running from the base station :)
07:13 <Lucifer> haha
07:13 <Lucifer> not sure that's a bad thing, to be honest
07:13 <GodTodd> i think they sell spare side brushes on the irobot site
07:13 <GodTodd> they sell a lot of spare parts
07:13 <Lucifer> yeah, they do.  I need to look at it more thoroughly and make sure that's all it needs
07:14 <GodTodd> yep
07:14 <Lucifer> it is pretty worn, we've used it extensively
07:14 <Lucifer> hence my recommendation.  :)
07:14 <GodTodd> yeah...anytime my 1 year old wants to vacuum, i'll let him :)
07:14 <Lucifer> I want 3 roombas and a scooba
07:15 <GodTodd> it's still novel to us so i keep hitting the button periodically just for the hell of it
07:15 <Lucifer> I figure that'll ensure good coverage of the whole house
07:15 <GodTodd> ours came with a remote even
07:15 <Lucifer> well, to be honest, as much as the idea of having a robot vacuum sounds lazy, I found we were working harder to keep our house clean when it was in working condition
07:15 <Lucifer> simple logic, really.  You have to have a certain level of clean for the robot to be able to work
07:15 <GodTodd> yeah...i know i have been
07:16 <GodTodd> finally got all the fucking toys out of the living room on saturday
07:16 <GodTodd> heh
07:16 <Lucifer> and the cleaning you have to do is a lot easier and more interesting than vacuuming, so it's a good tradeoff I think
07:16 <Lucifer> heh
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:16 <Lucifer> we bought ours for $80 at best buy a couple of years ago, and it was an opened box missing the charger
07:16 <GodTodd> ah
07:17 <Lucifer> so it sat in the closet for a year before I finally convinced my wife to order the charger
07:17 <GodTodd> haha
07:17 <Lucifer> literally, the day after the charger arrived, we cleaned the whole house
07:17 <GodTodd> we've been debating the purchase for a couple of years
07:17 <Lucifer> after that, all I had to tell the kids was "make it clean enough for the robot to run" and they'd do it
07:17 <GodTodd> we finally decided to do it
07:18 <Lucifer> man, when we get ourselves set up with a little more income, I'm going to be all over a scooba
07:18 <Lucifer> I hate sweeping and mopping
07:18 <Lucifer> and that thing's supposed to wax, too?  Hell yeah!  ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> soon as we saw the one that was guaranteed to work on pet hair and read the reviews i got out the CC
07:18 <Lucifer> ours does ok with human hair, but I don't know if it could handle the load of pet hair
07:19 <Lucifer> it can't do our whole house on one charge anyway, and we don't have a base station for it
07:19 <GodTodd> yeah...we'll get a scooba, i'm aiming for within the year but we'll see ;)
07:19 <Lucifer> and my youngest tore open the room blocker thing that never seemed to work anyway
07:19 <GodTodd> the virtual wall?
07:19 <GodTodd> ours came with two and they are awesome
07:19 <Lucifer> well, you've gotta give this one time to make sure you can actually adapt your lifestyle to it, which means waiting for the novelty to wear off :)
07:19 <GodTodd> yep
07:19 <Lucifer> ours came with one and it never seemed to work
07:20 <GodTodd> that's weird...maybe they've improved them
07:20 <Lucifer> I think ours might have been bad from the get-go, actually.  It was an opened container, after all....
07:20 <GodTodd> truly
07:20 <Lucifer> but without being certain, it's hard to justify ordering a new one
07:20 <Lucifer> besides, we found other ways to block it easily
07:21 <Lucifer> want it to do a kid's room?  Just throw it in there and *shut* the door
07:21 <GodTodd> yep
07:21 <Lucifer> the problem we found with integrating it into our lifestyle had to do with the window of opportunity for the robot to run
07:22 <Lucifer> since it can't do the whole house on one charge, that means for it to do the whole house, we have to keep that window of opportunity open for two days
07:22 <Lucifer> sometimes that's just not possible :(
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07:22 <Lucifer> so we found that breaking the job down by room and making sure to run it at least twice a week worked fine
07:23 <MrBougo> ?
07:23 <Lucifer> man, don't come into the middle of a conversation and act confused
07:23 <GodTodd> see...ours charges itself so all we have to do is keep hitting the button
07:23 <Lucifer> takes time to charge, though
07:23 <GodTodd> i may eventually invest 60$ into the scheduler addon
07:23 <Lucifer> what I'm really interested in is the scheduler :)
07:24 <MrBougo> ok Luci, sorry :p
07:24 <Lucifer> but before I go and put money down on that, I'd like to see good, regular cleaning habits in my house
07:24 <Lucifer> and what we've got now is largely sporadic
07:24 <GodTodd> same
07:24 <Lucifer> I'm not asking for perfection, I just want to know that every night before bed the main living area will be clean
07:25 <Lucifer> can't run in the bedrooms while everyone is asleep, but can trigger it manually to clean those rooms for us
07:25 <GodTodd> yep
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07:26 <MrBougo> how is a scooba better than a roomba
07:26 <GodTodd> different applications...it's not a question of "better"
07:26 <Lucifer> scoobas do floors and roombas do carpets
07:27 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:27 <Lucifer> scoobas are supposed to detect when they're on carpet and not run, which is good because we have two tiled areas that are separated by a carpet
07:27 <GodTodd> that's like saying that kspread is better than kword
07:27 <MrBougo> :p
07:27 <GodTodd> tho...roomba is good at at least taking the sweeping part out of sweeping and mopping
07:28 <GodTodd> does a good job on our kitchen
07:28 <Lucifer> yes, it does good on ours, but there are issues with some of the things that might be on the floor that shouldn't be a problem for scooba
07:28 <GodTodd> right
07:29 <Lucifer> the other problem I had with it in the kitchen was that my wife would run it while i was cooking dinner, and cooking with a robot afoot is worse than dogs/cats/kids/etc.
07:29 <MrBougo> hehe
07:29 <MrBougo> because it's more expensive?
07:29 <MrBougo> oh shit
07:30 <MrBougo> i didnt see "kids"
07:30 <Lucifer> less predictable, and you can tell animals to get out :)
07:30 <GodTodd> yeah...i ran into that issue tonight when conor ran it
07:31 <GodTodd> it's fun watching it chase the dogs tho :)
07:31 <Lucifer> heh
07:31 <Lucifer> my kids try to play with it
07:31 <GodTodd> mine too
07:31 <Lucifer> for awhile they were treating it as a member of the family, so we'd find it in their bedrooms all dressed up and ready for bed
07:32 <GodTodd> haha
07:32 <GodTodd> they sell skins/costumes for them
07:32 <GodTodd> i want a robot mower too
07:32 <GodTodd> i want that bad
07:32 <Lucifer> me too
07:32 <Lucifer> I was considering wiring up an electric motor to my push-mower and writing a program to control it
07:33 <GodTodd> i want robots to do any menial task around the house that i can get them for :)
07:33 <GodTodd> the roomba packaging encouraged people to write custom routines :)
07:33 <Lucifer> oh yeah, a later series than mine even makes it easy to do so
07:33 <Lucifer> just plug into the interface
07:34 <Lucifer> the protocol is well-documented, even
07:34 <GodTodd> yeah...there's an s-video looking jack on ours
07:34 <MrBougo> wtf
07:34 <Lucifer> that's the one.  There's one for mine too, but it's an early series so that jack is a proprietary jack
07:34 <MrBougo> what's the purpose of this
07:34 <GodTodd> which?
07:34 <Lucifer> they changed it on later serieses, though, and all new ones for a couple of years should be able to
07:34 <GodTodd> the robot, or the reprogramming?
07:34 <MrBougo> s-video as s-video or as a simple cable
07:35 <Lucifer> I forget what you need to plug a compter into it, though
07:35 <MrBougo> not to send video, right?
07:35 <Lucifer> MrBougo: it looks more like a ps/2 plug
07:35 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:35 <Lucifer> but since ps/2 and s-video look the same.....  ;)
07:35 <GodTodd> yep
07:35 <MrBougo> it's any data cable
07:35 <GodTodd> well...not *any*...it's not usb
07:35 <GodTodd> :P
07:35 <Lucifer> nor is it rs-232
07:35 <MrBougo> couldv'e been parallel, usb or whatever
07:36 <Lucifer> I think it's a serial connection, but it's been awhile since i looked
07:36 <MrBougo> ok :p
07:36 <MrBougo> i'm out now
07:36 <MrBougo> school :/
07:36 <Lucifer> I found a circuit for hooking up a bluetooth receiver to mine
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07:36 <GodTodd> hell...i'm going into robotics so i figure it'll be good to learn with :)
07:36 <Lucifer> definitely
07:36 <Lucifer> I had similar reasoning for screwing with mine, but never managed to convince my wife it was worth it
07:37 <Lucifer> and since I didn't write the simulator for test programs, I didn't get far enough to show her it was worth it
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:37 <Lucifer> what I want is a simple world simulator that runs a robot program and connects to its stdin/stdout pipes
07:37 <Lucifer> then a library that provides an api for communicating to the world simulator, and a library that uses the same api to communicate with the roomba
07:38 <Lucifer> use that library and write for the simulator, then switch it to use the roomba library to run the physical robot :)
07:38 <GodTodd> :)
07:39 <Lucifer> you know, the simulator shouldn't be too hard to write now that I've fooled with pyqt
07:39 <Lucifer> use QGraphicsView to visualize it, QProcess to run the robots...
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07:42 <Lucifer> well, I've got to write this paper for government, it's due tomorrow
07:42 <GodTodd> so write it :P
07:42 <GodTodd> how many pages?
07:42 <Lucifer> not given
07:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
07:43 <Lucifer> standards are pretty lax, the purpose of the assignment is mostly to learn how to write a persuasive essay for some reason
07:43 <GodTodd> so, content dictates length?
07:43 <Lucifer> yep
07:43 <GodTodd> ah ok
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07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer: http://www.irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=289 <----- i see nothing about a steam cleaning one...maybe we should invent it :)
08:19 <Durka> #m Lucifer what do we do if someone played in 2 different matches last weekend...suspend them for one week?
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10:42 <manuel_> Ping?
10:42 <manuel_> Hmm, odd, IRC is working, but HTTP isn't.
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10:46 <spidey> ?
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11:08 <tramshed> interesting error right there
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13:12 <DrJoeTron> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/15/how-to-run-team-fortress-2-half-life-2-hl2-ep-12-in-ubuntu-using-wine/ heh, im that much closer to switching to linux
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13:18 <akira__> hey joe!
13:18 <akira__> what happened to shrunk?
13:18 <akira__> no one willing to serve it?
13:22 <DrJoeTron> bwah?
13:22 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Shrunk
13:22 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
13:22 <DrJoeTron> looks there to me
13:22 <DrJoeTron> akira__
13:22 <akira__> oh
13:22 <akira__> didnt look anymore
13:22 <akira__> last times i were online it was down
13:22 <akira__> was*
13:23 <akira__> and yes.. linux is superior :)
13:23 <akira__> although i don't use it
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i don't either
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i havent had a reason untill now
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i had reasons NOT to use it
13:24 <akira__> o
13:25 <DrJoeTron> which were all of my programs i need use windows
13:25 <DrJoeTron> but if wine has come this far
13:25 <DrJoeTron> be' crazy not to try it now
13:43 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
13:43 <DrJoeTron> looks like I might be switching to ubuntu
13:55 <tramshed> DrJoeTron, push come to shove you can always run a virtual windows
13:56 <DrJoeTron> if it can run Direct X9 i'll gladly
13:56 <tramshed> ah well
13:57 <tramshed> virtualization and hardware acceleration dont exactly go hand in hand, heh
13:57 <tramshed> you would probably want cedega or something similar for that
13:58 <tramshed> what windows software you trying to run exactly?
13:58 <DrJoeTron> haha i just realized you showed up right after i posted a link
13:58 <tramshed> lol
13:59 <DrJoeTron> I'm trying to run steam/source engine, Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.
13:59 <DrJoeTron> and maybe more DX9 games
13:59 <DrJoeTron> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/15/how-to-run-team-fortress-2-half-life-2-hl2-ep-12-in-ubuntu-using-wine/ This *really* fucking caught my eye though
13:59 <tramshed> photoshop doesnt use dx iirc, so that can emulate fine
14:00 <tramshed> I just dual boot myself for those games that wont work
14:00 <tramshed> only time im in windows is if im playing loki or moonbase
14:04 <DrJoeTron> heh
14:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah but see i'd rather completely switch
14:04 <DrJoeTron> because dual booting to me is going to be completely useless
14:04 <tramshed> then use gimp
14:05 <DrJoeTron> gimp won't get me far in my major
14:05 <tramshed> and emulate the games you can, and dont play the ones you cant
14:05 <DrJoeTron> i need adobe programs for class
14:05 <tramshed> ah, shitty
14:05 <tramshed> I run linux pretty much exclusively
14:05 <DrJoeTron> if i can't run 95% of my stuff i'm going to go back to windows
14:05 <tramshed> well, I will say this much
14:06 <tramshed> expecting 95% of your windows programs to work on linux is a bit much, though its likely they will
14:06 <spidey> you have to give stuff up
14:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah i looked into it and most of the stuff im asking for as good alternatives or works just about great
14:06 <spidey> but in the long run it's better
14:06 <tramshed> I can see where you are coming from though, when Im in windows it pisses me off because it doesnt have any of my software
14:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah which is exactly why i haven't switched to linux, cause I've had no reason to do so
14:07 <tramshed> there is a TON of great software for linux
14:07 <DrJoeTron> "DO IT CUZ TO FUCK M$ BU$$$$$hhhh"
14:07 <tramshed> just gotta dig it up
14:07 <spidey> DrJoeTron: not having to format every month is a reason
14:07 <spidey> i know i liked not having to
14:07 <DrJoeTron> i don't have to do that
14:07 <DrJoeTron> thats fucking crazy
14:07 <tramshed> I just use it because, for what I do, its a lot better platform to be using
14:08 <DrJoeTron> you formated once a month?
14:08 <tramshed> Ive seen windows get fucked up in a hurry, Ill say that much
14:08 <spidey> somertimes
14:08 <spidey> -r
14:08 <DrJoeTron> i've been using windows for a bit
14:08 <tramshed> I used to use it exclusively years ago
14:08 <DrJoeTron> this is probably the best install i've had
14:08 <tramshed> then I dabbled in linux
14:08 <DrJoeTron> i haven't crashed once
14:09 <tramshed> then finally I just switched
14:09 <DrJoeTron> my main requirements for me to switch
14:09 <tramshed> my first distro was slackware 7
14:09 <DrJoeTron> Adobe Programs have to work.
14:09 <spidey> they will
14:09 <DrJoeTron> Steam and the Source Engine have to work.
14:09 <spidey> also will
14:09 <DrJoeTron> im not saying they won't
14:09 <spidey> ;p
14:10 <tramshed> I dont see why adobe wouldnt, even if you just have to run a virtual machine
14:10 <tramshed> I should snag a copy and test it
14:10 <DrJoeTron> Google talk(voice over included)
14:10 <spidey> don't you have teamspeak for that? :P
14:10 <DrJoeTron> i can get alternatives to ts like you said
14:10 <tramshed> ts works on linux
14:10 <spidey> indeed
14:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah, but not google talk
14:11 <spidey> unless ubuntu doesn't like your sound card :(
14:11 <DrJoeTron> which i know is just jabber
14:11 <DrJoeTron> but the voice over was superb
14:11 <tramshed> et-libs/libjingle [ Masked ]
14:11 <tramshed>       Latest version available: 0.3.11
14:11 <tramshed>       Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
14:11 <tramshed>       Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest]
14:11 <tramshed>       Homepage:    http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/
14:11 <tramshed>       Description: Google's jabber voice extension library modified by Tapioca
14:11 <DrJoeTron> didnt luke-jr try it and it didnt work
14:11 <tramshed> Ive never tried it
14:11 <spidey> luke-jr's picky
14:11 <tramshed> if I had a mic id give it a shot
14:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/eclipsed/race/ecdmazed-1.aamap.xml: Resource by eclipsed
14:12 <DrJoeTron> those are the main things I HAVE to have work
14:12 <tramshed> the google thing might be tricky, but as he said, there are alternatives
14:13 <tramshed> im gonna see if I cant make it work
14:13 <DrJoeTron> haha cool thanks
14:13 <tramshed> I do have a mic, it just sucks and I have to yell into it
14:13 <spidey> and i'm gonna burn some slackware cd's
14:13 <tramshed> im a gentoo whore
14:13 <DrJoeTron> im gonna be running ubuntu 7.04
14:13 <spidey> <debian whore
14:14 <tramshed> one thing I will say about debian, thier packages are missing functionality sometimes
14:14 <tramshed> a friend of mine has been using it and has had to recompile a few things
14:14 <spidey> i love aptitude
14:14 <DrJoeTron> oh god... i'm wondering if i should try this
14:14 <tramshed> to add certain things which the debian packages dont have
14:15 <spidey> like?
14:15 <DrJoeTron> ah FUCK IT thats just nuts... nevermind im thinking out loud
14:15 <tramshed> DrJoeTron, lemme grab a photoshop iso from somewhere
14:15 <spidey> everything's worked for me
14:15 <tramshed> spidey, had some issues with mencoder
14:15 <tramshed> few other things I dont remember offhand
14:15 <tramshed> iirc it didnt have xvid compiled into it
14:15 <spidey> really
14:15 <DrJoeTron> i was gonna transfer my backup drive
14:15 <spidey> if there's a problem with a debian package
14:15 <DrJoeTron> to my primary drive
14:15 <spidey> it's the indevidual package manager's fault
14:15 <DrJoeTron> and install ubuntu on the slave and just try it out
14:16 <tramshed> the package worked, it just didnt have all the functionality as expected
14:16 <spidey> ah
14:16 <tramshed> hrm
14:16 <tramshed> what the IS google talk btw
14:16 <tramshed> I installed the lib and have no idea what program is supposed to use it, hehe
14:16 <DrJoeTron> google's gmail instant messager
14:16 <DrJoeTron> it uses jabber
14:16 <DrJoeTron> as well as voice over
14:16 <DrJoeTron> rediculous sound quality
14:17 <DrJoeTron> better than skypes
14:17 <tramshed> im gonna try gmail-jabber, dunno if it uses that, but Ill see
14:17 <tramshed> err
14:17 <tramshed> gnome-jabber
14:17 <DrJoeTron> talk.google.com
14:18 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/eclipsed/maze/ecdmazed-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by eclipsed
14:18 <DrJoeTron> the server to connect to
14:19 <tramshed> hmm
14:19 <tramshed> according to this pidgin should be able to do it
14:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah it will work
14:21 <spidey> hm
14:21 <DrJoeTron> but the voice over is critical since thats used on a daily basis
14:21 <spidey> changed my mind
14:21 <spidey> i'ma go with freebsd this time
14:22 <tramshed> makin an account
14:23 <DrJoeTron> heh i appreciate you taking the time to do this, you don't really have to
14:23 <tramshed> hmm
14:23 <tramshed> they have a web client
14:23 <tramshed> which seems to work
14:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know
14:23 <tramshed> dunno if it can do voice though
14:23 <DrJoeTron> without voice over
14:24 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that supports it is the downloaded client
14:24 <DrJoeTron> the standalone*
14:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron: you should go with freebsd!
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hey hey hey
14:25 <DrJoeTron> lets walk before we run pal
14:25 <spidey> lol ;p
14:25 <DrJoeTron> im already feeling pretty uneasy doing this
14:25  * spidey has never used freebsd so he doesn't know what to expect
14:25 <spidey> lol
14:26 <tramshed> hmm, I cant get pidgin to log in, but I think im doing something wrong
14:26 <tramshed> Ive got other stuff I gotta do at the moment, Ill screw with it when I get home
14:26 <DrJoeTron> haha cool thanks
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i dont know when im going to do this
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i hope very soon while the spark is there to do so
14:27 <tramshed> however, on a side note, Im almost positive that program would virtualize fine
14:27 <tramshed> and if you use seamless mode itll just be like another window on your desktop
14:27 <DrJoeTron> whats a good program to use
14:27 <DrJoeTron> for vmware
14:27 <tramshed> for virtualization?
14:27 <tramshed> I like virtualbox
14:27 <DrJoeTron> i guess
14:28 <DrJoeTron> something for someone like me
14:28 <tramshed> virtual box is easy enough
14:28 <DrJoeTron> ok
14:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah because im completely inept outside of OS X and Windows
14:28 <tramshed> you start it, make a new cirtual machine, pop in your isntall cd, start the machine
14:28 <tramshed> itll boot off the cd and itll be just like you are installing xp
14:28 <tramshed> because thats what you are doing, heh
14:28 <tramshed> its all graphical
14:28 <DrJoeTron> hah cool
14:29 <DrJoeTron> so long as i don't have to compile drivers
14:29 <tramshed> when I do I just make one of the sides of my cube run xp
14:29 <tramshed> it has a driver it compiles for you
14:29 <tramshed> you just have to load it, which is easy
14:29 <DrJoeTron> thank fucking goood
14:29 <tramshed> modprobe vboxdrv
14:29 <tramshed> and you can add the driver to autoload at boot, so you dont even have to do that
14:29 <spidey> DrJoeTron: compiling isn't as hard as it sounds
14:30 <DrJoeTron> god i feel like a 3rd grader again
14:30 <spidey> download the dependencies
14:30 <spidey> make
14:30 <spidey> make install
14:30 <spidey> download the software
14:30 <spidey> make
14:30 <spidey> well
14:30 <spidey> ./configure
14:30 <spidey> make && make install
14:30 <DrJoeTron> cause this is all so foreign to me
14:30 <tramshed> ./configure && make && make install
14:30 <tramshed> in a one liner.
14:30 <spidey> ya
14:34 <spidey> #night
14:34 <armabot> Good night spidey!
14:46 <DrJoeTron> how is win4lin
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16:15 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: Adobe stuff is complete trash on par with Microsoft; if you "need" it for class, those classes are a waste of time and money
16:15 <DrJoeTron> still need it for class you stupid fuck
16:15 <luke-jr> Adobe doesn't know how to write code for crap
16:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah i should drop the classes because some shit head on irc said i should
16:16 <DrJoeTron> good call :D
16:16 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: for Jingle support, I've tried the highly experimental support for Kopete and Psi, and also Asterisk 1.4
16:17 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: I don't recall if Kopete's worked, but Psi's and Asterisk's sure didn't
16:17 <DrJoeTron> what are those
16:18 <luke-jr> Kopete is a multiprotocol IM client
16:18 <luke-jr> Psi is a standards-only IM client that rocks
16:18 <luke-jr> Asterisk is a phone PBX
16:18 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
16:18 <DrJoeTron> i might check those out
16:18 <luke-jr> and yes, you should drop any classes that require Adobe or Microsoft because the teachers clearly are idiots
16:18 <DrJoeTron> i had a kernel problem with livecd
16:19 <luke-jr> let me guess: *buntu
16:19 <DrJoeTron> most graphic design firms use Adobe or Quark Xpress
16:19 <MrBougo> dont *buntu and *ntoo share the same kernel?
16:19 <MrBougo> luke-jr: dont be an opensource extremist
16:19 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: only if they're run by idiots
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't think theres many out there that use fucking gimp
16:20 <luke-jr> MrBougo: even ignoring the proprietary nature, their code SUCKS
16:20 <MrBougo> the world will never be free
16:20 <MrBougo> prolly
16:20 <MrBougo> but it works
16:20 <luke-jr> Adobe stuff crashes at least as often as Microsoft stuff
16:20 <luke-jr> slow, bloated, etc
16:20 <MrBougo> it shouldnt
16:20 <MrBougo> it shouldnt work, but there was some miracle
16:20 <luke-jr> MrBougo: I don't know what *buntu does to their kernel, but it has terrible hardware support
16:20 <MrBougo> :(
16:20 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: btw, I didn't say to use gimp
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't think i've EVER had adobe programs crash on me once
16:21 <DrJoeTron> cept when i was on OSX
16:21 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: you clearly haven't used them enough :þ
16:21 <DrJoeTron> not my fault you don't know how to use programs luke-jr  :V
16:21 <luke-jr> try Premiere
16:21 <DrJoeTron> the hell version did you use that crashed so much
16:21 <MrBougo> hehe
16:21 <DrJoeTron> 3?
16:21 <MrBougo> he ran it on WINE
16:21 <MrBougo> :p
16:22 <luke-jr> I don't remember what version
16:22 <DrJoeTron> oh well shit
16:22 <luke-jr> MrBougo: Win2k, actually
16:22 <DrJoeTron> i've been using photoshop cs since sophomore year of high school and I've never had it crash on me
16:23 <MrBougo> i've had CS2 crash
16:23 <luke-jr> KolourPaint + Krita pwn u
16:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah ok
16:23 <MrBougo> wanted to try how crappy that filter looked
16:23 <MrBougo> like*
16:23 <MrBougo> and it crashed
16:23 <MrBougo> yipee
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i never had cs2 crash either
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i've had illustrator crash
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i DONT like cs3
16:24 <DrJoeTron> mainly because adobe swallowed up macromedia and got rid of Imageready
16:24 <luke-jr> LOL
16:24 <DrJoeTron> FUCK fireworks >:(
16:24 <luke-jr> you think they're going to maintain an old version?
16:24 <DrJoeTron> of what
16:24 <luke-jr> CS2 < CS3
16:24 <DrJoeTron> CS > CS2
16:25 <MrBougo> in price, prolly
16:25 <luke-jr> …
16:25 <DrJoeTron> its true
16:25 <MrBougo> now what about CS compared to CS3
16:25 <DrJoeTron> in terms of compatibility wise
16:25 <luke-jr> wtf is "CS"
16:25 <MrBougo> CS1
16:25 <MrBougo> if you prefer
16:25 <DrJoeTron> CS1 dick
16:25 <luke-jr> I'm talking about version #
16:25 <DrJoeTron> 8.0
16:25 <luke-jr> 1 < 2 < 3
16:25 <luke-jr> …
16:25 <MrBougo> lol
16:26 <DrJoeTron> its essentially 7.0 with better font support
16:26 <DrJoeTron> and more compatibility
16:26 <MrBougo> use MS Paint
16:26 <MrBougo> it doesnt bug
16:26 <luke-jr> that is one thing I will never understand
16:26 <luke-jr> they're fscking letters
16:26 <DrJoeTron> CS?
16:26 <luke-jr> fonts
16:26 <DrJoeTron> creative suite?
16:26 <DrJoeTron> oh
16:26 <MrBougo> lol
16:27 <DrJoeTron> MrBougo i use MS Paint too
16:27 <MrBougo> it pwns ass
16:27 <luke-jr> KolourPaint > MS Paint
16:27 <DrJoeTron> please
16:27 <MrBougo> it edits pixels better than any program
16:27 <DrJoeTron> you know its funny
16:27 <DrJoeTron> vista comes out
16:27 <DrJoeTron> you'd think they'd upgrade fucking ms paint
16:27 <luke-jr> KolourPaint supports transparency!
16:27 <MrBougo> luke-jr: MS piant too!
16:27 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr obviously you suck at ms paint
16:27 <MrBougo> in its own way!
16:27 <luke-jr> MS Paint I used didn't
16:27 <DrJoeTron> because you can do transparency in ms paint too
16:28 <MrBougo> yea, but it looks black
16:28 <MrBougo> lawl
16:28 <MrBougo> can you use alpha?
16:28 <DrJoeTron> nah i got it to turn decient
16:28 <MrBougo> i know you can open a png then save it and it stays transparent
16:28 <DrJoeTron> thats different
16:28 <luke-jr> wtf
16:28 <DrJoeTron> photoshop does make everything 10x faster
16:28 <luke-jr> MS Paint I used only did BMP and PCX
16:28 <MrBougo> hehe
16:29 <MrBougo> that was the ms paint on 3.1
16:29 <luke-jr> no
16:29 <MrBougo> now ms paint handles jpeg
16:29 <luke-jr> 98 at least
16:29 <luke-jr> um
16:29 <MrBougo> it has the best jpeg encoder ever
16:29  * MrBougo is going ironic
16:29 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck you MrBougo
16:29 <luke-jr> jpeg doesn't HAVE pixels
16:29 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron: :p
16:29 <DrJoeTron> jpegs are monsters
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16:29 <DrJoeTron> i hate them
16:29 <MrBougo> FEAR THEM
16:29 <DrJoeTron> what better way to ruin a picture
16:30 <MrBougo> it outputs crap
16:30 <MrBougo> hehe DrJoeTron
16:30 <MrBougo> what format do you use
16:31 <luke-jr> KolourPaint supports JPEG2000!
16:31 <DrJoeTron> usually png, gif, or tiff,
16:31 <luke-jr> GIF sucks
16:31 <DrJoeTron> gif IS terrible
16:31 <DrJoeTron> unless im not going outside of 256 colors
16:31 <MrBougo> 2-bit gif is awesome
16:31 <DrJoeTron> photoshop does a great job with dithering
16:31 <MrBougo> heh, photoshop makes crazy gif's
16:31 <DrJoeTron> it really does
16:32 <luke-jr> KolourPaint has some crazy RGB cube thing
16:32 <MrBougo> lol
16:32 <DrJoeTron> CONVERT TO CMYK
16:32 <luke-jr> mplayer makes awesome GIFs
16:32 <MrBougo> ack
16:32 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: KolourPaint doesn't do CMYK
16:32 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:32 <luke-jr> you need to use Krita for that
16:32 <DrJoeTron> what a peice of shit
16:32 <MrBougo> CONVERT TO HEX
16:32 <luke-jr> …
16:33 <MrBougo> luke-jr: you're so #8000FF
16:33 <luke-jr> MrBougo: retard
16:33 <DrJoeTron> MrBougo> luke-jr: you're so retarded
16:33 <DrJoeTron> is whaat i aread
16:33 <MrBougo> :p
16:33 <DrJoeTron> fucking keyboard
16:33 <MrBougo> hehe
16:34 <luke-jr> actually, Photoshop made you type wrong
16:34 <luke-jr> :D
16:34 <MrBougo> blame adobe
16:34 <DrJoeTron> BU$$$$H
16:34 <DrJoeTron> i  mean
16:34 <MrBougo> adobe got me one day
16:34 <MrBougo> #quote get 46
16:34 <DrJoeTron> M$$$$$$$$$$$$
16:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no Quote with id #46 in my database for #armagetron.
16:34 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: do you have an X11 server?
16:34 <MrBougo> #quote get 48
16:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #48: "i'm a woindwos user --MrBougo" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:12 AM, June 24, 2007)
16:34 <MrBougo> see what adobe did to me
16:34 <DrJoeTron> dont think so
16:34 <DrJoeTron> don't know what that is
16:35 <luke-jr> lame
16:35 <luke-jr> it's what programs connect to to draw windows
16:36 <luke-jr> so I could tell KolourPaint to connect to your X11 server and you could play with it
16:36 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
16:36 <DrJoeTron> but thats not gonna make go drop my classes luke-jr
16:36 <luke-jr> Krita too!
16:36 <DrJoeTron> but thats not gonna make go drop my classes luke-jr
16:36 <DrJoeTron> me
16:36 <DrJoeTron> me
16:37 <luke-jr> yes it is
16:37 <DrJoeTron> yeah ok
16:37 <DrJoeTron> are you going to give me college credits?
16:37 <luke-jr> sure
16:37 <DrJoeTron> o cool
16:37 <DrJoeTron> gimmie
16:38 <luke-jr> sure
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16:38 <luke-jr> what do you want it to say
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> want what to say
16:38 <MrBougo> windows xp's "add font" form looks retarded
16:39 <DrJoeTron> uh
16:39 <luke-jr> the worthless piece of paper
16:39 <DrJoeTron> what paper
16:39 <DrJoeTron> i just dragged and dropped my fonts into the fonts folder
16:39 <DrJoeTron> and it automatically installed them
16:42 <luke-jr> [09:40:15] <DrJoeTron> are you going to give me college credits?
16:42 <MrBougo> i know DrJoeTron :p
16:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats not paper
16:44 <MrBougo> does software also fall in the public domai,n
16:44 <MrBougo> domain*
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16:47 <luke-jr> nothing does anymore
16:48 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: it's worthless
16:48 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr did you go to college
16:48 <luke-jr> yes
16:50 <MrBougo> everything's worthless
16:54 <DrJoeTron> did you get one of dem durgree
16:54 <DrJoeTron> s
16:54 <luke-jr> no, I figured out what a waste it was first
16:55 <luke-jr> a degree is a piece of paper saying you jumped through bs hoops, nothing more
16:58 <DrJoeTron> haha so what do you for a living now
17:01 <DrJoeTron> other than stealing money from 15 year olds on armagetron for servers
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17:02 <DrJoeTron> ahaha answers my question :V
17:03 <luke-jr> I'm in no mood for such stupid accusations
17:03 <DrJoeTron> lmbo
17:16 <DrJoeTron> welp I may just try this after akk
17:16 <DrJoeTron> all*
17:16 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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17:18 <epsy> #tea
17:18 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
17:20 <GodTodd> [2007-10-16 10:03] <luke-jr> I'm in no mood for such stupid accusations <---- luke-jr's way of saying "i don't know what to say to make myself look superior" :D
17:24 <GodTodd> "college is a worthless waste of time" (paraphrasing)....i wanna see luke-jr agree to exploratory surgery with a doctor that didn't go to college
17:25 <luke-jr> GodTodd: fine, maybe *some* areas it might be necessary
17:25 <luke-jr> but certainly not in IT
17:26 <MrBougo> haha GodTodd
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17:28 <GodTodd> woah....i got luke-jr to admit a senseless generalization might be incorrect?
17:29 <GodTodd> that just made my day
17:29 <GodTodd> :)
17:29 <GodTodd> i contend, however, there are quite a few areas it is necessary
17:30 <noob7> like arts? /me chuckles
17:30 <GodTodd> and, agreed, in IT it is not *necessary* unless you want to work for a company that requires it
17:31 <GodTodd> and it's statistically proven that the average college graduate makes quite a bit more than the average high school graduate at the same ages
17:32 <luke-jr> age is also irrelevant
17:32 <luke-jr> compare based on experience
17:32 <luke-jr> and skills
17:32 <GodTodd> it's relevant for the comparison since it's easy for a 40 year old to make more than an 18 year old
17:32 <GodTodd> idiot
17:32 <GodTodd> :)
17:33 <luke-jr> arts is an area where college would most likely DEGRADE a person imo
17:33 <GodTodd> nope
17:33 <GodTodd> college arts is about exploration
17:33 <luke-jr> only if that 40 yr old is more skilled or has more experience
17:34 <GodTodd> sure...a 40 year old is totally unlikely to have more experience than an 18 year old
17:34 <luke-jr> not all do
17:34 <GodTodd> 22 years more
17:35 <luke-jr> 22 years more yes
17:35 <GodTodd> you didn't specify *what* experience idiot
17:35 <GodTodd> :)
17:35 <luke-jr> but that 22 years might be irrelevant
17:36 <GodTodd> the days where a computer geek can just walk in and dictate salary because they've been dicking around half their lives are gone for the most part
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17:42 <luke-jr> perl -wle '$_ = 1; (1 x $_) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/ && print while $_++'
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18:04 <metos> #lastseen shell
18:05 <armabot> metos: timed out
18:05 <metos> #serverinfo AoC
18:05 <armabot> metos: AoC European CAPTURE THE FLAG server: No online players.
18:15 <epsy>  salut metos
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18:15 <MrBougo> hm
18:15 <MrBougo> interesting
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18:30 <MrBougo> brb
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21:46 <genpfault> is there any way to cap the framerate and (hopefully) use less CPU?
21:49 <epsy> what is your fps ?
21:51 <genpfault> gimme a sec
21:52 <genpfault> oops, vsync *was* working
21:52 <genpfault> I'm a dumbass, disregard
21:52 <genpfault> sorry
21:52 <epsy> yw :PP
21:53 <genpfault> weird, glFinish() pegs my CPU even with force vsync
21:53 <genpfault> Fastest and Flush work as expected though
21:54 <genpfault> ah well, as long as my lappy CPU isn't pushing 70C I'm happy :)
21:55 <epsy> heh
21:56 <genpfault> yep, 5-15% CPU usage now, FPS is right around refresh (~85Hz)
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23:44 <epsy> http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/index.php?c=5
23:45 <epsy> the colors sux :/
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00:25 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.6°F (5:28 PM CDT on October 16, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 28.83 in 976.2 hPa (Steady).
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01:43 <ghableska> #tea
01:43 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:05 <GodTodd> snazzy :)
02:09  * GodTodd does the Cancelled Humanities Class dance.
02:13 <Gursikh> I can get in on that
02:14  * Gursikh does the cancelled govt class dance 1 day belated
02:14 <ghableska> #dance
02:14 <armabot> ghableska does the 'I killed chat' dance.
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03:22 <flex> #dance
03:22 <armabot> flex does the 'I killed chat' dance.
03:22  * luke-jr hangs flex
03:22 <flex> :(
03:23 <flex> why hang me yo
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03:24 <flex> haha^
03:24 <luke-jr> cuz I felt like hanging someone
03:24 <luke-jr> and you were rihgt there
03:24 <flex> Question!
03:24 <flex> do you like South Park?
03:25 <luke-jr> NO
03:25 <flex> Family Guy?
03:25 <luke-jr> I would throw the creator in jail if I could
03:25 <flex> really?
03:25 <flex> why.. explain..
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03:26 <flex> haha^
03:26 <luke-jr> blasphemy
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03:27 <flex> wb
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03:27 <luke-jr> !wb
03:28 <flex> !wb
03:28 <luke-jr> !wb = NOT welcome back
03:28 <flex> i'm fucking having to fix the mess RC7 has done to my forums :(
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03:30 <flex> pwned^
03:30 <luke-jr> Texas must be losing network
03:36 <spidey> level 3 is bloated
03:36 <luke-jr> …
03:44 <flex> luke-jr, what about American Dad?
03:45 <luke-jr> wtf?
03:45 <flex> lol
03:45 <flex> ok so what do you watch..
03:49 <luke-jr> um
03:49 <luke-jr> usually nothing
03:49 <luke-jr> past week, 12K
03:50 <flex> 12k?
03:50 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?h=1&showvotes=1&show=mylist&uid=255064&showheader=1&char=j&expand=26#a26
03:51 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=26
03:51 <flex> wow that's gay :P
03:51 <luke-jr> u
03:57 <GodTodd> wow luke-jr's gay :P
03:57 <flex> hahah :P
03:58  * luke-jr hangs GodTodd
03:58  * GodTodd is shaking in his net.boots
03:59 <flex> you have net.boots?
03:59 <GodTodd> of course...all things are possible on the internet :)
03:59 <luke-jr> even multiple internets?⁉!
04:00 <luke-jr> dumb Texans ☺
04:00 <GodTodd> smarter than missourians
04:00 <luke-jr> suuure
04:00 <luke-jr> ok
04:00 <flex> ns ☺
04:00 <flex> ☺
04:00 <luke-jr> not sure I know anyone smart in Missouri
04:00 <GodTodd> nor do i
04:01 <GodTodd> :)
04:01 <luke-jr> ☺
04:01 <flex> omag ☺ is so cool
04:01 <luke-jr> …
04:02 <GodTodd> missourians, nebraskans (current, not all natives, just the ones that stay) and iowans are some of the most backwater hicks i've ever met
04:02 <GodTodd> present company not excluded, of course :D
04:02 <luke-jr> liar
04:03 <Gursikh> yeah, not really excluded >_>
04:03 <GodTodd> truther
04:03 <luke-jr> liar
04:03 <GodTodd> truther
04:03 <GodTodd> truther
04:03 <GodTodd> truther
04:03 <luke-jr> where's ghableska today?
04:03 <GodTodd> i hear iowa outlawed the internet
04:03 <GodTodd> got in the way of gambling
04:03 <luke-jr> o
04:03 <GodTodd> :D
04:03 <luke-jr> that explains ghableska's disappearance
04:04 <flex> http://www.gizzod.com/American_Dad/45/Dope_&_Faith
04:04 <flex> don't tell fox btw
04:04 <luke-jr> it crashed Konq
04:06 <GodTodd> liar
04:07 <luke-jr> u
04:08 <GodTodd> liars can't spell full words
04:08 <flex> tru
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04:11 <luke-jr> wtfusez
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04:13 <luke-jr> wtch ur lng
04:13 <GodTodd> fck y sshl
04:15 <luke-jr> cz u sux
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04:16 <spidey> GodTodd: is it bad if i knew every word you just said?
04:17 <luke-jr> LOL
04:20 <spidey> ahah
04:20 <spidey> my grandma's retarded
04:21 <spidey> my uncle said something
04:21 <spidey> and she's like
04:21 <spidey> "i'ma start cussing a smoking"
04:21 <spidey> so i get one of the filterless, stout cigerattes i've had put back for about a month
04:21 <spidey> she took it and asked for a lighter
04:21 <spidey> so i brought her one, light it, and she starts coughing
04:21 <spidey> still is xD
04:22 <flex> what's your grandma wearin..
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04:23 <Durka> #hello
04:23 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #47: "ooo, a fez. I would look awesome in a fez -- Lucifer_arma (2007-04-12 19:38)" (added by MrBougo at 08:48 AM, April 15, 2007)
04:23 <flex> #greetings
04:23 <spidey> ...
04:24 <Durka> :)(
04:24 <Durka> :) *
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04:32 <luke-jr> flex: are you trying to hit on spidey's grandma?
04:42 <flex> is that a bad thing?
04:44 <luke-jr> ……….
04:44 <flex> ☺
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05:02 <Lucifer> #ping
05:02 <armabot> pong
05:03 <flex> wb
05:04 <Lucifer> re
05:04 <Lucifer> #ping
05:04 <armabot> pong
05:10 <GodTodd> #pong
05:10 <armabot> ping
05:10 <GodTodd> #ding
05:10 <armabot> dong
05:10 <GodTodd> #dong
05:10 <armabot> ding
05:11 <GodTodd> #luke
05:11 <armabot> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
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05:16 <Lucifer> the worst thing ever is when luke and spidey's generation grows up and puts up a candidate for president who promises to make a special area of the internet for noobs
05:16 <Lucifer> at that point, I will welcome global thermonuclear war
05:34 <spidey> Lucifer: um
05:34 <spidey> that's a bad thing?
05:34 <spidey> it'd be listed under criminal
05:34 <spidey> :P
05:34 <Lucifer> spidey: j00 phale it!
05:34 <spidey> what'd you just call me?
05:35 <spidey> the first law i'd make
05:36 <spidey> is that anyone claiming to be religious be executed
05:36 <spidey> and
05:36 <spidey> that luke-jr not be held for this law
05:37 <spidey> except, that he be the executioner
05:37 <spidey> :D
06:13 <spidey> lol@ #bash
06:13 <spidey> this guy wants to add a check if his script is already running
06:14 <spidey> if it's running already, it exits, if not it continues
06:14 <spidey> i gave him a 1 liner for it
06:15 <spidey> instead he's listening to someone who seems to want to take the overkill direction, and still hasn't figured out what the guy's talking about
06:15 <spidey> xD
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07:23 <MrBougo> jesus
07:24 <MrBougo> the quakenet channel list is > 3 MB
07:32 <MrBougo> bye
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17:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you presume the US will exist as a nation then
17:30 <akira_> ?
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17:43 <flex> epsy
17:44 <epsy> flex?
17:47 <akira_> epsy!
17:52 <epsy> :)
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18:38 <flex> i use paint to express myself
18:38 <Gursikh> mspaint ?
18:38 <flex> yes
18:53 <akira_> :O
18:53 <akira_> real painting would be "better"
18:55 <epsy> lol
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19:27 <deja_vu> lol
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22:16 <flex> Anyone familiar with XP boot.ini files?
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22:34 <luke-jr> flex: …
22:34 <flex> ya
22:35 <flex> luke-jr
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22:49 <Lucifer> ?
22:50 <P4> hey Lucifer :)
22:51 <P4> i wonder if you can add VooDoo to CT roster
22:51 <Lucifer> why?
22:51 <flex> lol^
22:52 <P4> because we need him :P
22:52 <Lucifer> I'm counting 9 players already...
22:53 <Lucifer> why do you need him?  why didn't he sign up earlier?  ;)
22:54 <P4> yes, i know he should sign up earlier... i'm sure he would do that if he was able to... he was probably hacking armagetronad more and more. i really don't know why he didn't do that earlier :|
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02:08 <mkzelda> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/riaa-sues-usene.html
02:16 <luke-jr> wow
02:16 <luke-jr> idiots
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04:37 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
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06:24 <Durka> #hello
06:24 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
06:34 <ct|kyle> oi Durka
06:35 <Durka> \o oi
06:35 <ct|kyle> can Ct add Voodoo to thier team?
06:35 <ct|kyle> for AFL
06:37 <ct|kyle> Durka: ?
06:37 <Durka> um
06:39 <Durka> ct|kyle: sure thing
06:39 <Durka> you know have 10 players (2 open spots)
06:39 <ct|kyle> ok
06:39 <ct|kyle> thanks
06:39 <ct|kyle> i also have a question about the servers being the exact same
06:40 <Durka> roster updated ( http://durkas.info/afl/roster.php#ct )
06:40 <Durka> yes ^^ ?
06:41 <ct|kyle> can we use our bugfarm server if we have all the same settings?
06:41 <ct|kyle> wich is basically taking out the flying DZ's at end
06:41 <ct|kyle> that way we can have a better ladder
06:42 <Durka> sure
06:42 <Durka> but
06:42 <Durka> please still take screenshots
06:42 <ct|kyle> ok
06:42 <Durka> don't just send me links to the match results pages on the server stats page
06:42 <ct|kyle> we will probably rename it for AFL i'm not sure of that
06:42 <Durka> and make sure fortress_defend_rate 0.25 is set as well as cycle_rubber_wall_shrink 1
06:43 <ct|kyle> ok
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07:19 <MrBougo> http://youtube.com/watch?v=2UCObpf5WW4
07:19 <MrBougo> hah
07:19 <MrBougo> "The Office", never heard of this
07:20 <Gursikh> MrBougo: STOP
07:20 <MrBougo> Gursikh: ?
07:20 <Gursikh> before you do anything, go watch the UK version, then come back and watch all the US episodes
07:21 <Gursikh> uk version is only 12 episodes iirc
07:21 <MrBougo> sorry, i really didnt know
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07:33 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer thank you for that post.
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07:51 <MrBougo> bye
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18:20 <flex> epsy!
18:20 <epsy> what ?
18:20 <epsy> your sched page is done
18:21 <flex> sweet#
18:21 <epsy> and now i'm jumping around trying to get the viewing user's username decently
18:21 <flex> what you mean?
18:22 <epsy> i don't know how inside phpBB3 you get the current user's username or at least it's user_id
18:22 <epsy> their doc gives no info
18:25 <luke-jr> pfft
18:25  * epsy didnt installed phpbb3
18:25  * epsy doesn't want to install luke-jrBB4. for 15€/month
18:26 <epsy> :P
18:28 <flex> lololol
18:32 <P4> LOL!
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18:38 <flex> The next person to quit/leave this channel is gay!
18:38 <flex> ooooo the game is on!
18:39 <P4> flex --version
18:39 <P4> :P
18:39 <MaZuffeR> someone kick flex
18:40 <P4> #kick MaZuffeR
18:40 <P4> :P
18:40 <armabot> P4: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:40 <flex> #kick MaZuffeR
18:40 <armabot> flex: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:40 <flex> worth trying :P
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19:04 <flex> gay^
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19:05 <P4> luke-jr...
19:06 <luke-jr> <.<
19:07 <luke-jr> prove it
19:07 <P4> 18Oct07 190842 -ChanServ- 2 10 Luke-Jr 7s
19:07 <luke-jr> that's not accurate!
19:07 <P4> lol :)
19:07  * P4 is gonna smoke
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19:11 <P4> who's [Xpert]DarkStar btw?
19:12 <P4> (Last Seen: 40 weeks (2h 58m 0s) ago)
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19:48 <flex> haha epsy
19:48 <flex> rejoin ;)
19:49 <epsy> wait
19:49  * epsy looks at chanserv
19:49 <Hoax> LOL
19:49 <epsy> haha i can unban myself
19:49 <Hoax> xD
19:49 <FoFo> we have a match tonight or not?
19:49 <hoop_tron> y not?
19:50 <FoFo> i just ask
19:50 <FoFo> :P
19:50 <FoFo> who wll play?
19:50 <hoop_tron> not me :P
19:50 <hoop_tron> jk
19:50 <FoFo> why? :(
19:50 <FoFo> :D
19:50 <FoFo> i ll try to contact suby
19:50 <FoFo> what time is good for u ?
19:50 <FoFo> all
19:51 <Hoax> hoop already knows 1vs5x doesn't work :D
19:51 <FoFo> haha xD
19:51 <flex> poop
19:51 <luke-jr> …
19:51 <hoop_tron> haha try that ;P
19:51 <flex> fofo rejoin #arma.xclan
19:52 <FoFo> i dont find it
19:52 <FoFo> lol
19:52 <flex> #arma.xclan
19:52 <flex> click there
19:52 <luke-jr> lame
19:53 <FoFo> subz isn't on msn :/
19:54 <FoFo> sticky r u here?
19:56 <Hoax> sshhh you're embarrassing him
19:56 <epsy> Sticky_,
19:56 <FoFo> lol
20:02 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkGum1YYkGk&mode=related&search=
20:02 <flex> lmao!!!
20:04 <FoFo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdxwVqBUV4
20:04 <FoFo> better
20:04 <FoFo> xD
20:07 <hoop_tron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVgeskw_E80 <---look thats me dancing XD
20:09 <FoFo> hoop
20:10 <FoFo> hoaw many player can u get
20:10 <FoFo> ?
20:10 <FoFo> we r 4 or 5
20:10 <FoFo> epsy you bip and?
20:10 <FoFo> hoax flex subz maybe lazer and me will play
20:11 <hoop_tron> epsy: can u?
20:11 <hoop_tron> wrtlprnft: ?
20:12 <FoFo> maz?
20:12 <hoop_tron> fofo dont u like my vid?
20:12 <hoop_tron> #lastseen mazuffer
20:12 <FoFo> lol thats funny xD
20:12 <armabot> hoop_tron: MaZuffeR has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 19 hours 52 minutes ago.
20:12 <hoop_tron> -.-
20:13 <MaZuffeR> what time is the match?
20:13 <hoop_tron> :)
20:13 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen epsy
20:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: epsy|T| has last been seen on The Tronic Donkeys AFL Server 32 minutes ago.
20:13 <hoop_tron> epsy: ping
20:14 <hoop_tron> what time for X?
20:15 <hoop_tron> now?
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20:15 <FoFo> in One hour hoop
20:15 <FoFo> try to get 5 players
20:15 <FoFo> ;)
20:16 <hoop_tron> hmm, which server?
20:18 <flex> wrtlprnft.. I don't think we got an admin on xfort
20:18 <flex> wanna admin?
20:22 <hoop_tron> many admins at TD server btw
20:23 <flex> hmm
20:26 <epsy> pong
20:27 <epsy> #onlineservers
20:27 <armabot> epsy: This data is 24 seconds old; The Tavern (13/16), ¦w¦-Fortress.Server (11/16), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (10/16), Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (9/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8/14), WILDCAT (8/8), Norm's Place (6/12), Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) (4/16), SPACEZONE VIII [FORTRESS SPEED] (3/14), Swampland II (3/12), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (1 more message)
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20:55 <spidey> #ping
20:55 <armabot> pong
20:56 <epsy> rofl
20:56 <epsy> #onlineplayers
20:56 <armabot> epsy: This data is 30 seconds old; -=}ID< killer, -=}ID<Putt-Putt, -|AÃA|-¦ÃÃng3r¦, 0xffff00Melon, 14badboy, :(SX):_OZZY, <3, =~MrY*Sapo, ABCDuhhh, Amanda, Amp'D, Angel, avatareanth, B!nd|gZ, Beemorriscats, c.RoNaDo, ChrisGW, cos, ct¤jy13, Dark (ESP), DD| Dal, diego, emphasis, evälÃúriÃ¥, F!Paladin, Greggers!!, hoop, huy |ho3| AL, IbRaHiMoViC, Kamakazi, KaRBo, Larry 91, Leo, Linus, LoveIsMyPower, (2 more messages)
20:56 <epsy> #more
20:56 <armabot> epsy: METH, n00bed, Nivin, NUNO, OODAMA RAENGAN, Oogami Rasengan, pavelo, Player 1, Puuuffff!, Radian, red puma, ruben, skylla, sp.rippsta, teen machine, the godfather, trilion, tupac, van Nelle, wrtlprnft |mbc|, xdude, Yarns, [GHOST] Snake, |ITA|kEOz, |ITA|MarsVolta, |lolli|, ~*<y<lo*~, ~*SP*~joda.bot, ~|DS|~ jazzy, ~|DS|~ judders, ~|DS|~ Phantom, ~|DS|~ Plage, ~|DS|~snöqt, ~|DS|~sunny, (1 more message)
20:56 <epsy> #more
20:56 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~|dvDosc|~, ¦ÃÂ¥ $ubzero, ¦ÃÂ¥ FoFo, ¦ÃÂ¥ Lazer, ¦ÃÂ¥flex, ¦ÃÂ¥Hoax, °¯Hay-Lin, °°Wingyi
20:56 <epsy> °¯Hay-Lin got transformed into Gay-lin O_o
21:02 <Sticky_> FoFo: hay
21:02 <Sticky_> FoFo: sorry was away earlier
21:02 <Sticky_> and will be off again soon
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21:23 <FoFo> epsy u herE?
21:24 <epsy> yes ?
21:24 <FoFo> on jou ds une demi heure?
21:24 <epsy> flex, ping
21:24 <FoFo> ?
21:24 <epsy> jsé pa lol
21:24 <epsy> sa fé depui tt à l'ehure jlui demande
21:24 <FoFo> tu pe avoir 5 jueur?
21:24 <FoFo> on est 5
21:24 <FoFo> ta une demi heure pr trouvé 5 joueur
21:25 <FoFo> :)
21:25 <FoFo> on est tous d accor pr joué
21:25 <epsy> on est 4 pour sur
21:25 <epsy> et il y en a 3 incertain :P
21:25 <FoFo> ben c bon
21:25 <FoFo> ds une demi heure ou mtn?
21:25 <FoFo> kom tu ve
21:26 <epsy> ds une 1/2 h
21:26 <FoFo> ok pa de souci
21:26 <FoFo> ns on sera ds un quart d heure sur x fort serv
21:26 <FoFo> ok?
21:26 <FoFo> tu ns rejoin ac ta team?
21:27 <FoFo> ok epsy?
21:27 <epsy> k
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21:31 <FoFo> epsy x fort serv = ladle café jsai pa kel nom il a dc si t en voi pa un c l autre :)
21:31 <epsy> k lol
21:36 <FoFo> on y est deja
21:36 <FoFo> rejoin qd tu ve
21:36 <epsy> k
21:36 <FoFo> a tte
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21:36 <epsy> hf
21:36 <deja_vu> o.o
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02:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.0°F (7:08 PM CDT on October 18, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.27 in 957.2 hPa (Steady).
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02:47 <GodTodd> don't everyone talk at once now...
02:47 <GodTodd> hard to follow that way
02:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:47 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.2°F (7:48 PM CDT on October 18, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.29 in 957.9 hPa (Rising).
02:47 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:47 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 68.5°F (7:50 PM CDT on October 18, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Rising).
02:47 <GodTodd> brrr :(
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04:56 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
04:56 <Lucifer> #ping
04:56 <armabot> pong
05:07 <GodTodd> Lucifer: pong
05:07 <GodTodd> #pong
05:07 <armabot> ping
05:09 <spidey> u
05:12 <GodTodd> spidey: sux
05:13 <Lucifer> catch the news?
05:14 <GodTodd> which is that?
05:14 <Lucifer> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2193382,00.html
05:15 <Lucifer> there was something about Russia and Iran, too, but I lost that link
05:16 <Lucifer> http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008866346
05:19 <GodTodd> so basically...dubya dubya three is on the way :)
05:21 <Lucifer> I forgot what it was about russia and iran :/
05:22 <GodTodd> probably some kind of clandestine treaty
05:22 <Lucifer> some little things, though, that don't help relationships at all
05:22 <GodTodd> heh
05:22 <Lucifer> US Congress tried to pass a resolution condemning Turkey for committing genocide against the Armenians during WWI
05:22 <Lucifer> Turkey responded with this, apparently :)
05:22 <GodTodd> heh
05:22 <Lucifer> China doesn't back the western stance on Burma, we give the Dalai Lama a medal :)
05:24 <Lucifer> so, we have Iran supporting one or more factions in Iraq, and turkey wants to raid Iraq
05:24 <GodTodd> and we want to raid iran
05:24  * Gursikh blames canada
05:24 <Lucifer> I kinda think Russia's put iran up to this
05:24 <Lucifer> "We'll give you nukes if you antagonize the US"
05:24 <GodTodd> probably
05:25 <GodTodd> told them to "run interference" or something
05:25 <Lucifer> "Keep the US in Iraq for as long as possible"
05:25 <GodTodd> or at least in the general area
05:25 <Lucifer> I think NATO will remain mostly intact, though
05:26 <GodTodd> russia is kinda scary as an adversary if you're a weak little girl country
05:26 <Lucifer> Turkey will leave, and Greece and turkey will fight over cypress
05:26 <Lucifer> heh, which we are, apparently
05:26 <GodTodd> nah...if they really thought we were scared they'd confront us directly
05:26 <GodTodd> instead of beating around our Bush
05:26 <Lucifer> I tend to think if they really had the military, they'd confront us directly
05:27 <Lucifer> but the rhetoric sounds like someone who needs to rally popular support so he can build the military
05:27 <GodTodd> or just build pop support in order to *deploy* that military without splitting the country
05:27 <Lucifer> and it won't take long, really.  Russia might have had problems with their economy and shit, but they're technologically very advanced
05:27 <GodTodd> you know...like bush should have done ;)
05:27 <Lucifer> heh
05:28 <Lucifer> if Russia can pull this off without having to confront us direclty, we might plunge directly into civil war on our own
05:28 <GodTodd> tho, i do think that they are a bit weak militarily since they were flaunting that bomb a while back
05:28 <Lucifer> but if Russia starts firing guns, we'll unite as usual and fight back
05:28 <GodTodd> kind of a "see what we got? don't come try us"
05:28 <Lucifer> they are weak militarily, but they're modernizing
05:28 <GodTodd> the bully on the playground syndrome
05:28 <Lucifer> they've still got mostly soviet-era gear
05:29 <GodTodd> so far
05:29 <Lucifer> at least, if Putin is to be believed
05:29 <GodTodd> is he?
05:29 <GodTodd> ;)
05:29 <Lucifer> maybe they've already upgraded and he's just using the same rhetoric to keep building :)
05:29 <GodTodd> 'bout as much as bush is i expect
05:29 <GodTodd> at the very least we're plunging into CWII
05:30 <Lucifer> they've got to build up a bit before they can confront anybody militarily, and they've got to build china up
05:30 <GodTodd> yep
05:30 <Lucifer> china's got a nice big military, but it's a bit outdated next to american units
05:30 <GodTodd> yeah...russia will modernize them quick tho
05:31 <Lucifer> it's mostly a matter of the tech transfer, China's already supporting a large military, and they're expanding everywhere economically
05:31 <Lucifer> if it were me and spidey running those countries, they're on the verge of attacking the nearest stupid ai
05:32 <GodTodd> tech transfer, building of new units and upgrade of old units
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05:33 <spidey> if it where me and Lucifer running those countries, everyone around them would be under our control already
05:33 <spidey> either by means of bribes or by military D:
05:33 <spidey> actually bribes would be luke's approch
05:35 <Lucifer> heh, good point
05:35 <luke-jr> liar
05:35 <Lucifer> I was mostly trying to describe their behavior though :)
05:36 <Lucifer> spidey: "look at all my big-ass weapons.  Oh yeah, I have to upgrade my muskets"
05:36 <Lucifer> Luci: <just plugging away quietly, every now and then talking trash, but stockpiling units>
05:37 <Lucifer> Luke: I love Jesus and the Heavenly Americans will dominate forever!
05:37 <Lucifer> oh shit, that means we're going to get nuked
05:38 <spidey> LOL
05:38 <spidey> see
05:38 <spidey> i talk alot of shit even though i'm really vulnerable up till i start invading
05:39 <Lucifer> yeah, exactly, that's what Putin's doing
05:39 <spidey> but when i start, i have the gold income and production that anything short of nuking every city won't stop me
05:39 <Lucifer> and you stay in republic/democracy up until you actually start invading, with your first few turns of invasion done in anarchy
05:39 <spidey> but if it's human - vs - human i already have SDI
05:39 <Lucifer> which is exactly what Putin is doing
05:39 <Lucifer> Putin = spidey
05:39 <Lucifer> PRC = Lucifer
05:39 <spidey> usa = luke?
05:40 <Lucifer> yep, exactly
05:40 <spidey> china = vanhayes
05:40 <luke-jr> bs
05:40 <Lucifer> and when Putin said the US was screwing up in Iraq, that was the same thing as spidey saying "Luke's getting pwned by the ai"
05:40 <Lucifer> PRC = People's Republic of China
05:40 <spidey> o
05:41 <spidey> iran = vanhayes?
05:41 <Lucifer> not sure there's a spot for vanhayes.  Might be turkey :)
05:41 <spidey> quite
05:41 <spidey> but when he starts invading
05:41 <spidey> he sends a shitload of choppers
05:41 <spidey> xD
05:41 <Lucifer> I suspect turkey's got shit we don't know about, and they've been leaching off luke for decades now
05:42 <Lucifer> that fits hayes' profile
05:42 <Lucifer> UK's an ai, since luke never manages to get human allies
05:43 <spidey> lol
05:43 <Lucifer> same with al qaeda, they're a barb group, and luke's getting pwned by barbs
05:49 <spidey> yea
05:49 <spidey> problem is
05:49 <spidey> if they continue to follow our profile
05:49 <GodTodd> hayes jerks turkeys...
05:49 <GodTodd> :D
05:49 <spidey> that to
05:50 <spidey> but anyways, if they continue to follow our profile, then when they're ready to invade, we won't see it coming and it'll be over before we can get the national gaurd out =s
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06:22 <Lucifer> spidey: yep
06:31 <spidey> if russia was smart
06:31 <spidey> they'd come in from alaska -> canada -> us and have china come in from the golf of mexico
06:32 <spidey> s/gold/gulf
07:01 <Lucifer> it should tell you something that the Republicans spend almost twice as much money as the Democrats, and the democrats are still competitive enough to legitimately challenge the GOP candidate
07:01 <Lucifer> spidey: only with bombers ranging throughout the west, I think
07:02 <Lucifer> problem is, neither of them can really run a supply train throuh the gulf of mexico
07:02 <Lucifer> better to invade directly through mexico, land their ships on the west coast
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07:03 <Lucifer> I think I'd nuke alaska and put up screeners there, and invade simultaneously through Seattle or Portland
07:03 <Lucifer> while my ally went through El Paso
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13:50 <eddiefantastic> beta.armagetronad.net appears to be down
13:51 <eddiefantastic> how am I supposed to play 0.3 on the Gutsy Gibbon?
14:04  * luke-jr stabs eddiefantastic for making him think beta.armagetronad.net was down
14:11 <eddiefantastic> it's not resolving for me, neither is resource.
14:11 <eddiefantastic> but it resolves from my home pc, just not this one
14:12 <eddiefantastic> forums. is fine
14:19 <luke-jr> "this one" seems to be broken
14:22 <eddiefantastic> that one's broken too. But is does use the same dns server
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18:37 <freako> #sd TD server
18:37 <armabot> freako: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “td server” at the moment, sorry.
18:38 <P4> #sd don
18:38 <armabot> P4: The Tronic Donkeys AFL Server: No online players.
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21:21 <flex> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_re_eu/britain_controversial_scientist
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00:39 <flex> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=AFL_::_Fall_Season_Signup_Page
00:39 <flex> urm.. why was legio removed from xclan roster..
00:40 <flex> or is that something I don't know about..
00:42 <flex> (or that page is old..)
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02:50 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:50 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.2°F (7:53 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 28.67 in 970.8 hPa (Rising).
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04:00 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 70.5°F (9:02 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising).
04:00  * Lucifer shivers
04:06 <Gursikh> tell me about it
04:06 <Gursikh> #weather 77381
04:06 <armabot> Gursikh: The current temperature in The Woodlands, Texas is 63.3°F (9:05 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
04:07 <Gursikh> shit you have it easy Lucifer
04:08 <Lucifer> no kidding, you've got to be all wrapped up
04:08 <Lucifer> I can at least go outside with short sleeves still
04:08 <Gursikh> i'm actually in front of the fireplace
04:15 <Lucifer> man, now I'm pissed
04:15 <Lucifer> some guy on this website says "drought problems would go away if water were privatized"
04:16 <Lucifer> and I'm thinking that if I were actually in Austin, I'd pay 8 cents/kW*h.  That 8 cents/kW*H buys a police department, a fire department, and contributes to several other services
04:17 <Lucifer> out here in round rock, though, we pay 15 cents/kW*H.  What do we get for it?  Sheriff and fire department come out of the state budget, none of the extra services,
04:17 <Lucifer> and once a quarter or so we get to read a report about how our electric company made record revenue that quarter
04:18 <Lucifer> and the big salaries of their top executives, and so forth
04:18 <Lucifer> seems to me this mysterious benevolent hand of the free market either doesn't exist, or its nature as stated by capitalists isn't quite so benevolent
04:18 <Lucifer> privatize the water supply to fix drought conditions?  not hardly.  what you'll see instead is reservoirs full of water and poor people thirsting to death.
04:21 <Lucifer> the difference between an archist and a capitalist: capitalists want government to protect their incomes
04:21 <Lucifer> a/archist/anarchist
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04:54 <GodTodd> blergle
04:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 59.5°F (9:58 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
05:01 <Lucifer> damn, dude, you move to iowa or something?
05:01 <Gursikh> dang, GodTodd even beat me
05:03 <Lucifer> http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/78717?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared
05:03 <Lucifer> my wife was making fun of people like me who are predicting a bitter cold winter
05:04 <Lucifer> of course, when we have such a winter, it does tend to set in in October, and it hasn't yet if it's coming
05:29 <GodTodd> apparently it has here :/
05:29 <GodTodd> heh
05:33 <GodTodd> hrmmm
05:36 <spidey> #weather 38256
05:37 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 53.4°F (10:40 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
05:37  * GodTodd is not a big fan of uniform circular motion :/
05:38 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 61.2°F (10:41 PM CDT on October 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising).
05:51 <Lucifer> v^2/r is all you need to know
05:52 <Lucifer> too bad i don't remember what that gives you, though
05:59 <GodTodd> angular acceleration, i think
06:00 <GodTodd> radial acceleration, actually
06:05 <Lucifer> radial and angular acceleration are the same thing :)
06:06 <Lucifer> well, if you don't want to do uniform circular motion, would you like to do my statics homework?
06:06 <GodTodd> no thanks...got plenty more physics homework to do
06:06 <GodTodd> :)
06:06 <Lucifer> heh
06:07 <Lucifer> I wonder if it's too late to submit my assignment 1 for government
06:07 <Lucifer> it's really late, and I still haven't done it, and I don't really want to do it
06:07 <GodTodd> heh
06:07 <GodTodd> what's the assignment?
06:07 <Lucifer> I think my life will be better if I don't do it, even if that means I get a B in teh class eventually
06:07 <Lucifer> it's a persuasive paper
06:07 <Lucifer> forgot the topic already
06:07 <GodTodd> heh
06:08 <Lucifer> I think I'll do my research for my comp 2 paper and work on statics, and email my government instructor and apologize for not finishing assignment 1
06:08 <GodTodd> all i have to do for govt is write a page a week summarizing a talking heads show and take 4 tests
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06:08 <Lucifer> if I were taking it as a lecture course, it'd probably be less work, but would require regular attendance
06:08 <GodTodd> we're never there more than 1.5 hours
06:09 <Lucifer> I've fallen off of looking at my todo list, however, which is very bad, so I've lost track of shit this last week that I shouldn't have lost track of
06:09 <Lucifer> you got a gravy government class, what can i say?  :)
06:09 <Lucifer> none looked good for my schedule when I was making it, so this is what i signed up for
06:09 <GodTodd> heh...it's taught by a political consultant...of course it's gravy ;)
06:09 <Lucifer> I'll take the test tomorrow and kick ass on it and move on, I think
06:10 <Lucifer> hell, my history 1 class was more work than that and it was gravy :)
06:10 <Lucifer> history 2 was 5 tests and one paper, though
06:10 <Lucifer> easy tests, too, since it was reconstruction -> present
06:10 <GodTodd> my american history class was a 3 week jobber
06:11 <Lucifer> had i known then what i know now, I would've done history in the summer as two 5.5 week classes, and government the same the following summer
06:11 <Lucifer> those are just for transfer, you know, core shit, so they're not holding anything back at all
06:12 <GodTodd> yeah...that woulda been easier than my calc 1 and 2 in 11 weeks
06:12 <GodTodd> heh
06:12 <Lucifer> still, I need to do decently in my government class this semester, but I need to be *finished* with it this semester too
06:12 <Lucifer> yeah, the thing about history in 5.5 weeks is that I could literally get away with just showing up.  Teh tests would come so often that the information would still be fresh when they come
06:13 <GodTodd> i'm getting close to where i need to look into a smooth transfer
06:13 <Lucifer> and it's not like you have to really process that info, it's more like "learn what the teacher said, spit it up on the test"
06:13 <GodTodd> yep
06:13 <Lucifer> shit, that reminds me, I need to assemble my application for transfer this semester too
06:13 <Lucifer> dammit
06:13 <GodTodd> i need to apply to UTD
06:13 <GodTodd> so's i can lock in the comet thingy for tuition
06:13 <Lucifer> I need to quit fucking around.  I picked up that lead and took advantage of the opportunity to fuck off, and am now having a hell of a time getting back to work
06:14 <Lucifer> hey, did I tell you that the out-of-state problem will not exist for me any more?
06:14 <Lucifer> hm, maybe I didn't tell you about it at all :)
06:14 <GodTodd> i just need to keep from doing my physics on the last day ;)
06:14 <GodTodd> what out of state problem?
06:14 <Lucifer> been doing that with statics, it's not working
06:15 <Lucifer> well, I was considered out of state when I started school, right?
06:15 <GodTodd> ah...hadn't been here a year?
06:15 <Lucifer> UT said to establish residency, I had to do all the stuff required by law, and I also couldn't take more than half-time credit at ACC in the meantime
06:15 <Lucifer> well, the limit was actually 3/4, so 9 hours in the long semesters, 6 in the short, and that was the limit
06:16 <Lucifer> so I took 9 hours the first semester, which was spring, took the summer off, and then for the fall, my wife and i said "fuck it", because if you get $1000 or more in scholarships, state schools have to charge you in-state rates
06:16 <Lucifer> even if they consider you out-of-state otherwise
06:16 <Lucifer> and that was all that mattered, price of tuition, right?  ;)
06:17 <GodTodd> right
06:17 <Lucifer> anyway, the lady at UT was expecting me to try to transfer to UT asap, instead of hanging around at ACC picking up every little credit I could before transferring
06:17 <Lucifer> so she advised accordingly, and under her schedule, I would've had problems
06:17 <Lucifer> turns out, though, that UT also has to consider you in-state, by law, if any other school in texas has classified you as in-state for at least one year
06:18 <Lucifer> ACC's residency requirements were a little more lenient, and I've been classes in-state by them for awhile now
06:18 <GodTodd> yeah...the main thing in tx is that you have to have lived/schooled here for a year
06:18 <Lucifer> right, done that :)
06:18 <Lucifer> we're on 3 years now, I think
06:19 <GodTodd> yep...that's why i took the first year off
06:19 <GodTodd> so's quad c would see me as in state and in county
06:19 <Lucifer> it's another one of those "had we known then what we know now" things, I would've started with a lot more credits than I did
06:19 <GodTodd> truly
06:20 <Lucifer> be a lot farther along, a lot less tired, etc.
06:20 <GodTodd> same here...if karen had added me to the deed here once we were married, i could have started in state a year earlier
06:20 <Lucifer> or maybe more tired, but less exhausted.  It's a war of attrition, and I'm not wired for that!
06:20 <GodTodd> cuz one year as a property owner counts
06:20 <Lucifer> yep
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06:21 <Lucifer> we actually had a little fight with ACC because i had been working as a contractor for a california company, and they went out of their way to not tell me what I needed for residency
06:21 <GodTodd> ah well..shiite happens :)
06:21 <Lucifer> spent an extra unplanned semester paying out of state tuition, still pissed about that
06:21 <Lucifer> then they told me I was still not considered in-state, and that's where we fought
06:21 <Lucifer> they cleared it up for me, so now I'm in-state
06:21 <GodTodd> you should be
06:21 <Lucifer> it was quite annoying, though
06:22 <Lucifer> but now I love ACC, so I'm not that pissed anymore
06:22 <GodTodd> yeah...school administration usually is more complicated than it needs to be
06:22 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to start taking my jo with me to chemistry
06:22 <Lucifer> that girl that stands next to me in the lab started again today
06:22 <GodTodd> i probably should get my ass to UTD soon and make sure that i'm on track for transfer
06:23 <Lucifer> no sooner does he finish lecturing on what we're going to do than she starts asking "What are we doing?"
06:23 <GodTodd> bahaahha
06:23 <Lucifer> she's not asking in general, either.  she's asking *me*
06:23 <GodTodd> i *love* people like that :/
06:23 <Lucifer> I asked her today "he just explained it, didn't you pay attention?"
06:23 <GodTodd> tell her "i dunno, thought you knew"
06:23 <GodTodd> heh
06:23 <MrBougo> i love how windows made tha shutdown command, supposed to work over a network
06:23 <MrBougo> and i can't find anyone who got it running
06:24 <Lucifer> MrBougo: I love telling kids in my lab to press the power button to turn off the computer, and then explaining that it makes more sense than pressing "start" when you want to quit
06:24 <Lucifer> (we have macs in the lab)
06:24 <MrBougo> haha
06:24 <MrBougo> you feel like an IT hero, dont you?
06:24 <MrBougo> saving the world from working macs
06:25 <Lucifer> I kept telling her to ask the teacher, and she just went off bitching that I'm supposed to know this stuff
06:25 <GodTodd> haha
06:25 <Lucifer> so I ignored her, but wanted to hit her
06:25 <MrBougo> omg
06:26 <GodTodd> i wonder if i should scale down to 3 classes next semester...when i take physics 2
06:26 <Lucifer> nah
06:26 <Lucifer> not if you learn physics 1 well, at least
06:26 <GodTodd> maybe not....this humanities class is what's tiring me out this semester
06:26 <Lucifer> all the equations you see in physics 2 are straight up copies of the ones you already learned in physics 1
06:26 <GodTodd> more work than it fucking needs to be
06:27 <Lucifer> when will these instructors figure out that we're taking these classes because we're required to?
06:27 <GodTodd> they won't
06:27 <Lucifer> if we had 1 billion dollars laying around, we wouldn't even bother with school, we'd just start building the rocket
06:27 <GodTodd> er, actually, they know...they just don't give a fuck and they think they can make you love their field
06:27 <Lucifer> ooo, I love and hate those instructors
06:27 <GodTodd> same
06:28 <GodTodd> i hated the rigamaroll going to the movie we had to see
06:28 <GodTodd> but it wasn't a half bad movie
06:28 <Lucifer> I love them because they tend to make the class really easy so you won't be traumatized by the class, but i hate them because I don't ive a fuck about their field and they always try to "convert" me
06:28 <GodTodd> yeah...this one doesn't make it really easy tho
06:28 <Lucifer> my chem teacher's realistic.  She's cool, and she knows I don't give a fuck about chemistry, but that I actually have to know it (not just get by)
06:29 <GodTodd> my chem teacher rocked
06:29 <Lucifer> man, both of my chem teachers rock.  :)
06:29 <GodTodd> the american chemical society test thing we had to take at the end (as the final) was the easiest test we took
06:29 <Lucifer> but they just make me want to really hurt the chem teacher whose class I dropped
06:30 <GodTodd> he said that he prided himself on the people pasisng his class being some of the best in the country on that test
06:30 <Lucifer> all this memorization bullshit.  I'm with Einstein, I don't want to clutter my head with shit I can look up.
06:30 <GodTodd> passing*
06:30 <GodTodd> that's the way my calc 2 teacher was
06:30 <Lucifer> there's no substitute for good teaching, that's all there is to it
06:30 <GodTodd> why memorize the shit that you can look up? ;)
06:30 <Lucifer> well, there is a fair amount of shit in calc you have to memorize :/
06:30 <GodTodd> true
06:31 <GodTodd> but a lot more you can look up
06:31 <GodTodd> he made sure to difefrentiate the two
06:31 <GodTodd> difefrentiate*
06:31 <Lucifer> really, I can look up all the trig identities I want, but unless I have them committed to memory, I don't even have a clue what I'm looking for
06:31 <GodTodd> dammit
06:31 <GodTodd> differentiate
06:31 <GodTodd> **
06:31 <Lucifer> my calc teacher did that too, but he did require us to memorize stuff for the test, just not much
06:32 <GodTodd> same
06:32 <Lucifer> but calc is different.  I'm happy looking up formulas in physics, even if my teachers aren't :)
06:32 <GodTodd> we get notecards for the physics tests :)
06:32 <Lucifer> I only have to know two formulas for my chem test, and I get a notecard :)
06:32 <GodTodd> he doesn't expect us to memorize a whole lot
06:32 <Lucifer> I'll put electron configuration on it too, and that'll probably do it for me
06:33 <Lucifer> 90% of chemistry is unit conversion, really
06:33 <GodTodd> you have the easy way to memorize the shells?
06:33 <Lucifer> nah, I get to put those on the notecard :)
06:33 <MrBougo> "I don't want to clutter my head with shit I can look up" >99% agreed
06:33 <Lucifer> if you have an easy way, though, I'll take it
06:34 <GodTodd> trying to figure out how to show it to you heh
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06:34 <MrBougo> hehe
06:34 <Lucifer> well, there's that diagram
06:34 <MrBougo> what about the shells?
06:34  * Lucifer tries to remember what it's called
06:34 <GodTodd> MrBougo: easy way to remember the order that electrons fill them
06:34 <MrBougo> oh
06:35 <MrBougo> i used to know that
06:35 <MrBougo> but now i dont, because it's useless at the moment...
06:35 <MrBougo> next year i'll have to know them again
06:35 <GodTodd> yeah...i'd have to dredge it up too
06:36 <Lucifer> hell, she's even going to give us constants :)
06:36 <GodTodd> heh
06:36 <GodTodd> talk about gravy :P
06:36 <Lucifer> but man, the next time she says "No-bell" gas, I want to slap her and say "It's Noble, because they hate everyone!"
06:36 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:37 <GodTodd> no, it's noble because they think they're better than everyone and everyone aspires to be like them
06:37 <GodTodd> ;)
06:38 <GodTodd> if it's "No-bell" gas, then is the medal thingy they give the nobel prize winners made of neon?
06:38 <GodTodd> ;)
06:38 <GodTodd> make it blink and shit
06:40  * GodTodd pictures al gore with neon bling.
06:41 <Gursikh> <blink> <Marquee> <H1> AL GORE! </h1> </marquee> </blink>
06:42 <Lucifer> fuck that
06:42 <Lucifer> man
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06:43 <Gursikh> it was that <blink> wasn't it?
06:43 <Lucifer> and the marquee
06:43 <Gursikh> hmm
06:43 <Lucifer> I could've survived one of them
06:43 <Gursikh> I'll use this next time: http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html
06:43 <Lucifer> not gonna go look
06:44 <Gursikh> lol html 2 strick ajax server side blink >_>
06:44 <Lucifer> heh
06:44 <Lucifer> tank wrote a pong game that ran largely on the server side
06:45 <Lucifer> used an autoreload and gd to render a png
06:45 <Lucifer> came in around 1 fps
06:45 <Gursikh> lol
06:46 <Gursikh> ajax marquee http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~d129682/web21/web21-marquee.html
06:46 <Lucifer> still not looking!
06:46  * Lucifer likes what he sees in ajax, but doesn't like marquees
06:46 <Gursikh> lol
06:46 <Lucifer> man, I don't like marquees on signs by the road, I definitely don't want them in webpages
06:46 <Gursikh> this is the SECOND discussion i've had today abbout <marquee>  and <blink>
06:47 <Lucifer> you must be filled with suppressed frustration right now, then
06:48 <Lucifer> ok, since the paper my research is for is due in 2 weeks, I'm going to skip tomorrow and just write the paper next week sometime
06:48 <Lucifer> she said I can have 3 absences, and I really *really* need to study chem and statics right now
06:48 <Lucifer> so I'll go back over her practice test and make sure I know the formulas, and I should be fine
06:48 <Gursikh> I think maybe you'd be happy with....
06:49 <Gursikh>  <span style="text-decoration: blink">...</span>
06:49 <Gursikh> :-P
06:50 <GodTodd> next week i have 2 physics assignments due and test 2 in physics
06:50 <GodTodd> also prelab for physics lab
06:51 <GodTodd> shaping up to be all physics all the time next weke
06:51 <GodTodd> week*
06:51 <MrBougo> NOOOO
06:51 <MrBougo> i clicked on the marquee link D:
06:51 <MrBougo> it's horrible
06:52 <MrBougo> text moves, what the hell
06:52 <MrBougo> D:
06:52 <Lucifer> I thought people in Belgium had a fixation with shit like that?
06:52 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> idiot </luke-jr>
06:52 <MrBougo> except me
06:52 <MrBougo> i have a decent mind
06:52 <MrBougo> jesus, server-side blink tag
06:53 <MrBougo> what site uses that kind of shit
06:53 <MrBougo> i mean... except sites made with miicro$oft frontpage / word
06:53 <Lucifer> er, I thought the w3c approved this:  <idiot> luke-jr </idiot>  ?
06:54 <Lucifer> that'd be a neat easter egg for qt's textview widget
06:54 <GodTodd> heh
06:55 <GodTodd> i personally think the luke-jr tag should be used
06:55 <Lucifer> they might even go for it, since luke-jr has been active off and on in there
06:55 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> RTFM </luke-jr>
06:56 <GodTodd> wtf names their kid Meade?
06:57 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> ur all going to Hell </luke-jr>
06:58 <Lucifer> same person who'd name their kid Beere, I presume
06:58 <GodTodd> that's my physics teacher's name
06:58 <GodTodd> Meade Brooks
06:59 <GodTodd> what a fucking gay name
06:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:59 <Lucifer> isn't she a pr0n chick?
06:59 <Gursikh> lol
06:59 <Gursikh> "she"
07:00 <GodTodd> he's a ddude
07:00 <GodTodd> that's the sad part
07:00 <Gursikh> lol
07:00 <GodTodd> dude*
07:00 <Gursikh> "he"
07:00 <GodTodd> and all the fucking music and flash on his website is about to drive me up the wall
07:00  * GodTodd grumbles.
07:00 <Gursikh> no script+flashblock
07:01 <Lucifer> for some reason, I'm reminded that that annoying chick gave me a CD
07:01 <GodTodd> of pr0n?
07:01 <Lucifer> she asked me what kind of music I liked, so i asked the guy next to me what kind he liked
07:01 <Lucifer> he answered with "classical celtic music", so I answered her with the same
07:01 <GodTodd> haah
07:01 <MrBougo> haha
07:01 <Lucifer> she was thoroughly annoyed that we weren't answering honestly
07:01 <GodTodd> classical celtic is cool tho
07:01 <GodTodd> sets a nice mood
07:02 <Lucifer> really, if she didn't recognize it when I said (after being assigned an unknown substance) "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!", then I don't *want* her to know
07:02 <GodTodd> haahha
07:02 <Gursikh> naw you should've said something crazy stupid but real
07:02 <Gursikh> like...uhmmm what was that link a while back?
07:02 <Lucifer> the marquee link?
07:02 <Gursikh> ah, Polish Reggae Bhangra
07:03 <GodTodd> Rockabilly Polka
07:03 <Gursikh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbSL2wM0fk
07:03 <Lucifer> I should've answered Polka, really, and sang "I don't wnat her you can have her she's too fat for me.... she's too fat for me.... she's too fat for me...."
07:03 <Lucifer> (this girl is 21 and 300+ pounds)
07:03 <GodTodd> my dad used to sing that all the time
07:03 <Lucifer> "she's too fat, she's too fat, she's too fat for me!"
07:03 <Gursikh> also note ^^ that may be the worst video ever
07:03 <Lucifer> I actually got to see a polka band play it, it was great fun :)
07:04 <GodTodd> you should have told her you *love* Matisyahu
07:04 <MrBougo> lol, i dont know that song
07:04 <Lucifer> MrBougo: google it up, the Too Fat Polka :)
07:04 <GodTodd> Hassidic Jew rapepr
07:04 <GodTodd> rapper*
07:04 <Gursikh> hmm, should've said harcore gay metal music
07:04 <Lucifer> that wouldn't sound so crazy in a state where a Jewish Cowboy put up a credible bid for governor
07:05 <GodTodd> true
07:06 <Lucifer> so now I'm sort of obligated to listen to this CD she gave me
07:06 <GodTodd> what is it?
07:06 <Lucifer> but I have 2 weeks to worry about it, since we're supposed to be going to the xprizecup next week
07:06 <Lucifer> The Sound of Urchin
07:06 <GodTodd> like...the sea creatures?
07:07 <Lucifer> this looks like emo music
07:07 <Lucifer> "A Better Place"
07:07 <Lucifer> "Disappointment has come upon me"
07:07 <Gursikh> 1- Wafting in the water
07:07 <Lucifer> "Don't walk me down that road"
07:07 <Gursikh> 2-plopping onto the butches table
07:07 <Gursikh> 3-catching plankton by the moonlight
07:08 <Gursikh> 4-getting stepped on
07:08 <GodTodd> do urchin even make a sound?
07:08 <Lucifer> I hope it is emo music, she seemed to think it was pretty good and I might like it
07:08 <Lucifer> I'd just love to give it back to her and say it was emo music
07:08 <Lucifer> so it offended the peace in my soul or something like that
07:08 <GodTodd> look at Lucifer...making nice with the emo fatties :)
07:09 <Lucifer> heh
07:09 <Lucifer> there's some really nice, smart, and hot chicks in my chem class
07:09 <Lucifer> why did I have to get the annoying chick?
07:09 <GodTodd> cuz karma hates you? ;)
07:10 <GodTodd> i got a kneetoe lanyard for my flash drives the other day
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07:10 <Lucifer> lanyard?  wtf is a lanyard?
07:10 <GodTodd> found it in the parking lot attached to someone's WSVG badge
07:10 <Gursikh> lol
07:10 <GodTodd> it's that thing that goes around your neck to hold shit
07:10 <Lucifer> wsvg?  dude, you're using words I don't know, quit it!
07:10 <GodTodd> world series of video games
07:11 <Lucifer> ah, I call those things "shoelaces"
07:11 <GodTodd> some world of warcraft luser lost his badge
07:11 <GodTodd> and now i have his lanyard
07:11 <GodTodd> :D
07:11  * Gursikh bets it says "I LOVE WOW" all around it
07:11 <Lucifer> I used to carry my keys on a shoelace tied around my neck
07:11 <GodTodd> nah
07:11 <GodTodd> intel
07:11 <GodTodd> it was sponsored by intel
07:12 <Lucifer> I still would if it hadn't given me a rash
07:12 <Gursikh> as in "I have no intel-igence" ?
07:12 <GodTodd> something
07:12 <GodTodd> ;)
07:12 <Lucifer> hey, just because WoW geeks are emos doesn't mean they're dumb!
07:12 <GodTodd> but the lanyard works perfectly for my use
07:12 <GodTodd> and he didn't need the badge anymore anyways
07:12 <Gursikh> some wierd sexual perversion?
07:12 <GodTodd> it was for july
07:13 <GodTodd> yeah...that and carrying my flash drives
07:13  * Gursikh bets it's one and the same
07:13 <Gursikh> some sort of flash drive orgy
07:13 <Lucifer> when he says flash drives, he means fleshlight
07:13 <Gursikh> aaahhh
07:13 <GodTodd> shhhh
07:13 <GodTodd> :P
07:14 <GodTodd> they have strings on them....makes it easier to pull them out
07:14 <GodTodd> :D
07:14 <Lucifer> I had a guy try to talk me into buying one of those, but I couldn't see spending $50 on something that feels like my hand
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
07:14 <GodTodd> took it for a test drive, didya?
07:14 <GodTodd> ;)
07:15 <Lucifer> nah, never actually used one.  balked a little too much at the price tag, and it's not exactly something you can borrow from your friends
07:15 <GodTodd> if you can, you need better friends
07:15 <GodTodd> :/
07:15 <Lucifer> or a girlfriend, heh
07:15 <Gursikh> or less "friendly" friends
07:16 <GodTodd> that type of friend probably thinks you can use a condom more than once
07:16 <GodTodd> save on money, ya know
07:16 <Lucifer> you can't?!?!?
07:16 <GodTodd> explains the 3 kids, eh?
07:16 <GodTodd> ;)
07:16 <Lucifer> heh
07:16 <Lucifer> nah, we were doing mexican roulette
07:17 <Lucifer> very kinky, but doesn't work
07:17 <GodTodd> heh
07:17 <Lucifer> you could have stopped at N
07:17 <MrBougo> we can download+upload 12 gigs a month
07:17 <Lucifer> that's it?
07:17 <MrBougo> YES
07:17 <Gursikh> maybe move out of belgainia?
07:17 <MrBougo> it sucks, doesnt it?
07:18 <Lucifer> yeah, move to Francium
07:18 <Gursikh> mos def
07:18 <MrBougo> fuck you, belgacom
07:18 <MrBougo> they have a monopoly
07:18 <Lucifer> see?  this is why we don't take economic advice from europeans
07:18 <GodTodd> [2007-10-20 00:17] <MrBougo> I HATE BELGIANS
07:18 <MrBougo> ew
07:19 <Lucifer> it's better to have a choice among 4 crappy service providers than 1 crappy monopoly
07:19 <MrBougo> Lucifer: its only in belgium afaik
07:19 <Gursikh> @work I prefer the belgians over the swiss or german actually
07:19 <MrBougo> our isps are retards
07:19 <GodTodd> waffles over chocolate?
07:19 <Lucifer> not me, the only swiss person I've ever met was this really cute redhead
07:19 <Lucifer> GodTodd: over beer too, he says
07:19 <Gursikh> but work != real life
07:19 <GodTodd> and cheese
07:19 <Lucifer> and the swiss make the kickingassiest knives in the world
07:20 <Lucifer> er, or is it asskickingest?
07:20 <GodTodd> germans make cuckoo clocks
07:20 <GodTodd> asskickingest
07:20 <MrBougo> i'll take one, to kick belgacom
07:20 <Lucifer> you can probably just walk over to the victorinox factory and buy one
07:22 <Lucifer> hey, in december I'll have had my new knife for a year, and it still has the toothpick and the tweezers!
07:22 <GodTodd> stupid motherfucking cocksucking cumguzzler
07:22 <MrBougo> ?
07:22 <Lucifer> MrBougo: I had my old knife for like 10 years or so, then my wife lost the toothpick
07:22  * GodTodd will never ask to borrow the toothpick
07:22 <Lucifer> I held it against her for a long time.  Still am holding it against her, in fact
07:23 <Lucifer> so finally, I got a new one for christmas (from my wife), and she knows better than to lose the toothpick
07:23 <MrBougo> hehe
07:23 <Lucifer> especially since she sees me using it, and mostly quit biting my nails
07:23 <Lucifer> now she's like "Man, I should never have lost his toothpick"
07:23 <Lucifer> (she's thinking of all the accidental scratches she's gotten over the years from having bit nails)
07:24 <MrBougo> ew, bit nails
07:24 <Lucifer> (and yes, those scratches were in uncomfortable locations)
07:24 <MrBougo> ew
07:24 <MrBougo> biting nails is sick
07:24 <Lucifer> is not
07:24 <MrBougo> it is
07:24 <Lucifer> I guess you don't see the connection
07:24  * GodTodd bites his nails at MrBougo
07:24 <MrBougo> ew
07:24 <MrBougo> the connection between what and what
07:25 <Lucifer> see, I used to bite one per day and use it to pick my teeth, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A TOOTHPICK!
07:25 <MrBougo> ow what the hell
07:25 <MrBougo> using bit nails as toothpicks?
07:25 <Lucifer> yes
07:25 <MrBougo> that's even more sick
07:25 <Lucifer> well, then eating them
07:25 <GodTodd> they work well
07:25 <Lucifer> they work very well
07:26 <MrBougo> damn, do you eat your toothpicks?
07:26 <Lucifer> except pinky nails, those don't work so well
07:26 <Lucifer> no, I only have one, and then it'd be gone
07:26 <GodTodd> MrBougo: no, the nails
07:26 <GodTodd> silly
07:26 <Lucifer> and I'd be back to biting my nails again
07:26 <MrBougo> you guys are disgusting
07:26 <MrBougo> :p
07:26 <Lucifer> well, I still bite my nails, just not as often
07:26 <Lucifer> sometimes you just get a craving...
07:26  * GodTodd is biting his nails as we type
07:27 <Lucifer> MrBougo: do you trim your nails with one of those nail-clippers that never seems to actually be the same size as your fingertips?
07:27 <GodTodd> i don't think i've used a fingernail clipper in 20 years
07:27 <MrBougo> yep
07:27 <Lucifer> MrBougo: ever cut yourself with one?
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07:27 <Lucifer> those are like the nastiest cuts
07:27 <MrBougo> nah, i'm careful
07:27 <Lucifer> I prefer to bite and file, to be honest
07:27 <MrBougo> lol
07:27  * GodTodd eats fingerskin too
07:27 <Lucifer> only I don't normally file, because that's boring
07:28 <MrBougo> do your teeth fit your fingertips?
07:28 <Lucifer> there's no part of the human body that is not edible!
07:28 <Lucifer> MrBougo: no, but it's more like sculpting
07:28 <Lucifer> you only trim where needed
07:28 <GodTodd> ask dahmer :)
07:28 <Lucifer> besides, get a good run going and the nail trims itself to your finger's shape
07:28 <MrBougo> some people sculpt with chainsaws
07:28 <MrBougo> you should consider that
07:29 <Lucifer> to clip fingernails?  Why would I do that?  My teeth work perfectly fine
07:29 <GodTodd> teeth are more versatile than just eating food
07:29 <Lucifer> well, maybe bones aren't quite edible, but you can suck the marrow out!
07:29 <Lucifer> hell yeah, teeth are damn handy for lots of things
07:30 <GodTodd> they open a lot of shit for me
07:30 <Lucifer> wire stripping
07:30 <GodTodd> holding shit
07:30 <Lucifer> they're better sized than the specialty tools you can buy
07:30 <Lucifer> opening bottles
07:30 <Lucifer> they're a natural weapon, too
07:30 <GodTodd> yep
07:31 <Lucifer> so take care of your teeth
07:31 <GodTodd> people just don't realize all the shit they can do if they just utilize their body parts to the max
07:31 <Lucifer> no kidding
07:31 <Lucifer> first time I opened a beer bottle with my rectum, I was like "I'm never buying another can opener again!"
07:31 <GodTodd> haah
07:32 <MrBougo> wth
07:33 <GodTodd> you open beer bottles with can openers?
07:34 <MrBougo> i dont open beer bottles
07:34 <GodTodd> makes it hard to drink, donin?
07:34 <Lucifer> still use skins?
07:34 <GodTodd> donit*
07:34 <Lucifer> man, we have got to go civilize belgium!
07:34 <GodTodd> don't tell bush...he'll invade tomorrow
07:35 <Lucifer> nah, they'll just say they have nukes and he'll back down
07:35 <Lucifer> wuss
07:35 <GodTodd> heh
07:35 <GodTodd> they don't even have decent internet...how can they have nukes?
07:35 <GodTodd> ;d
07:35 <GodTodd> :D
07:35 <Lucifer> stole them from France?
07:36 <MrBougo> ew =(
07:36 <GodTodd> france is too busy being gay
07:36 <Lucifer> can't be too hard.  Just point a stick at the french and they'll give you anything
07:36 <MrBougo> especailly to the actual president
07:36 <GodTodd> isn't he the one getting a divorce?
07:36 <MrBougo> wait before nuking belgium
07:36 <MrBougo> yep, he is
07:36 <Lucifer> didn't they shit-can the surrender-monkey?
07:36 <MrBougo> sucker xD
07:36 <GodTodd> the french president i mean
07:37 <MrBougo> yup
07:37 <MrBougo> wait before nuking belgium
07:37 <Lucifer> yeah, he is
07:37 <Lucifer> poor guy
07:37 <MrBougo> wait till we get a government
07:37 <Lucifer> we're not going to nuke belgium, we're going to civilize you
07:37 <MrBougo> we need a gov first
07:37 <Lucifer> just like we did in cuba, viet nam, and are working on in afghanistan and iraq
07:37 <GodTodd> it looks the same, but it's really different ;)
07:37 <MrBougo> what "poor guy", he's a sucker
07:37 <Lucifer> he's not a sucker, he loves the US, so he can't be all that bad
07:38 <MrBougo> oh yea, bush is defending human rights... forgot about that
07:38 <Lucifer> I was actually thinking "it must suck to be president and have your wife leave you"
07:38 <MrBougo> he loves bush actually
07:38 <GodTodd> man love?
07:38 <Lucifer> all frenchmen love bush
07:38 <MrBougo> not all
07:38 <Lucifer> you can't be french and not love bush
07:38 <GodTodd> they do not
07:38 <GodTodd> they love dick
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <MrBougo> well, theres a beer called bush
07:38 <MrBougo> it's made in belgium
07:38  * Lucifer quietly notes "bush" is slang for "female sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area"
07:38 <MrBougo> lots of export to the US :p
07:39 <Lucifer> I used beaver in that context at school and the damn kids didn't get it
07:39 <Lucifer> damn kids
07:39 <MrBougo> haha
07:39  * GodTodd quietly notes "dick" is slang for "male sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area" as well as the first name of the VP
07:39 <Lucifer> never seen a naked woman before
07:39 <MrBougo> how is your class
07:39 <Lucifer> my ass is fine, thanks
07:40 <MrBougo> err... ok
07:40 <MrBougo> good to know
07:40 <GodTodd> shake that healthy butt
07:40 <MrBougo> haha
07:40 <GodTodd> kids don't get that reference either usually :/
07:42 <MrBougo> brb
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07:43 <Lucifer> holy shit, this is Bush's sister: Dorothy Bush Koch
07:43 <Lucifer> which I read as "Dorothy Bush Cock"
07:43 <GodTodd> heh
07:44 <MrBougo> lol
07:44 <GodTodd> too bad there's not a Dick Bush
07:45 <Lucifer> that would be hopelessly redundant
07:45 <GodTodd> amusing nonetheless
07:45 <Lucifer> like saying George "Idiot" Bush
07:45 <Lucifer> it was a very bad day for the US when that asshat got elected
07:45 <Lucifer> really
07:46 <Lucifer> bad
07:46 <Lucifer> day
07:46 <GodTodd> he only got elected by the electoral college
07:46 <GodTodd> the people elected gore
07:46 <Lucifer> the city folk elected gore, the country bumpkins elected bush
07:46 <GodTodd> we're at a point where we could ditch the electoral college
07:46 <Lucifer> just so happens the electoral collee is supposed to balance city interests vs country interests
07:47 <GodTodd> it doesn't
07:47 <Lucifer> those european nations don't understand, they don't have cities
07:47 <GodTodd> or...at least make the electoral votes a percentage
07:47 <Lucifer> just little sprawls of huts and a netgear router
07:47 <GodTodd> you get 55% of texas, you get 55% of the electoral votes
07:47 <Lucifer> electoral votes should be, imo, counted by a run-off method
07:48 <Lucifer> so the top vote in texas gets the top choice
07:48 <Lucifer> and you have to win a higher percentage, like 80% of the votes
07:49 <GodTodd> third parties would throw that off tho
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07:52 <MrBougo> can someone explain me
07:52 <GodTodd> nope
07:53 <MrBougo> if i run nexuiz, i get a low fps, till i close every program
07:53 <GodTodd> don't know you well enough
07:53 <GodTodd> :)
07:53 <MrBougo> an if i reopen, everything's ok
07:55 <GodTodd> ram prioritization?
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07:58 <philippeqc> 'Morning
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07:59 <philippeqc> is it just me or is the forum down?
08:00 <philippeqc> hi tramshed
08:00 <tramshed> harhar
08:00 <tramshed> dont mind me, im playing musical ips
08:01 <philippeqc> can you reach the forums?
08:01 <tramshed> lookin like no
08:02 <philippeqc> thanks
08:02 <philippeqc> at least now I know it is not my setup that is broken
08:03 <tramshed> lol
08:04 <philippeqc> well, I'm half awake, come to the puter, try the forums, DEAD, try some other sites, DEAD, darn
08:04 <philippeqc> make a few errors wrting the ip of my router, making me beleive it is dead, finally reaching it, still confuse about it all, then google works,
08:05 <philippeqc> take a while for a half awoken brain to chainge from "darn my net is down" to "no its just the forums"
08:05 <philippeqc> ;)
08:06 <Lucifer> looks like the forums are down
08:06 <GodTodd> hey...are the forums down?
08:06 <Lucifer> well, they're not up
08:07 <Lucifer> so they must be oriented in a non-upward position
08:07 <GodTodd> so...theoretically they could be sideways
08:07 <Lucifer> I want to build a little sailboat now
08:07 <Lucifer> I just found out that by law, texas streams that are navigable (by some funky definition) can be used by the public
08:08 <Lucifer> we have a neat little creek down the road that can probably be navigated a fair amount by a small sailboat
08:08 <philippeqc> sideways, has the tower casing fallen?
08:08 <GodTodd> never know :)
08:09 <philippeqc> morning todd
08:09 <Lucifer> wiki doesn't seem to be responding either
08:09 <philippeqc> evening lucy
08:09 <Lucifer> morning philia
08:10 <philippeqc> lets see if I'll manage to do some productive work for aa today
08:10 <Lucifer> no choice, the forums are down :)
08:11 <philippeqc> well, last time I checked, the nets where full of wasteful activities
08:11 <philippeqc> and there is IRC too ;)
08:11 <Lucifer> maybe you'd better leave the question in mystery as to whether or not there are still wasteful activities on the internet
08:12 <philippeqc> yeah, less time commiting than to do a full survey of it all
08:14 <philippeqc> IIRC, last time i worked on zones v2, the problem was that the monitor class send an update at every tic
08:15 <philippeqc> to fix that, I think i would need a better "tFunc", so I can update it only when the source of influence on the monitor changes (ie: when a cycle enters or leave a zone)
08:17 <philippeqc> Also, z-man made his zones spin by changing the speed of rotation and its acceleration. Atop of that, I want to be able to control the base angle
08:18 <philippeqc> so I'd guess a new "tFunc" should be my first step
08:58 <Lucifer> can you still be a fan of a band when you have to use wikipedia to get updates on what they're up to?
09:08 <philippeqc> Can you still love your wife if you have to ask their best friend what they would really like for x-mass?
09:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer: depends...what's the band?
09:14 <Lucifer> anthrax
09:14 <GodTodd> hrmmm
09:14 <GodTodd> tough call on that one
09:14 <GodTodd> heh
09:15 <Lucifer> philippeqc: no, because you're supposed to be her best friend :)
09:15 <Lucifer> GodTodd: the reunion broke up sorta, and Joey Belladonna took off.  John Bush is not going back to Anthrax, but Spitz and Bello stayed.
09:15 <philippeqc> ok, ask her SECOND best friend (darn, that was assumed!)
09:15 <Lucifer> but see, their website doesn't say anything about that stuff.  It's all PR shit
09:15 <GodTodd> of course
09:15 <Lucifer> philippeqc: in that case, yes.
09:16 <GodTodd> so....who's gonna sing for them...or are they just gonna give it up?
09:16 <Lucifer> philippeqc: but if you have to go to wikipedia to find out what your wife really wants for christmas, you might as well bury her because you'll be parting soon.
09:16 <Lucifer> GodTodd: they're looking
09:17 <Lucifer> but see, if they can't say what's *really* happening on their website...
09:17 <Lucifer> the implications are just bad, that's what they are
09:17 <GodTodd> yep
09:17 <Lucifer> I'm not asking them to air their laundry there, but there's no reason not to say what's going on
09:17 <Lucifer> "Looking for a singer, can't record until we have one..."
09:18 <Lucifer> "If you don't want Scott to sing, come down and audition!  If you don't, it's your fault Scott sang!"
09:18 <GodTodd> heh
09:18 <Lucifer> like when Frank Bello left the band.  Not a notice anywhere on the site for several weeks, then just a little note saying who their new bass player was
09:19 <Lucifer> wtf?  He's like original bass player!  (At least as far as recording career goes)
09:19 <Lucifer> you don't just lose a bandmember who's been with you for 25 years and announce it as a footnote on your website!
09:19 <GodTodd> you do if there's bad blood
09:19 <Lucifer> You gotta explain!  'fess up!  Give us the straight dope!
09:20 <Lucifer> doesn't matter if there's bad blood.  You can say "he's got his side and we've got ours, and we don't want to air our laundry here, but Frankie has left the band"
09:20 <philippeqc> lol@ using wikipedia for your wife's x-mass present
09:20 <Lucifer> you can also write it out and try to express both sides, or express your side, ask him to express his side, and leave it at that, with a little note "you're our fans and you deserve this much, please let us our privacy for the rest"
09:21 <GodTodd> and anthrax has always thought of the fans?
09:21 <GodTodd> :P
09:21 <Lucifer> like here, they've known for months that John Bush isn't going back, but their website still claims Joey Belladonna as the current singer
09:21 <philippeqc> but can you consider yourself a hard-core fan if you need to rely on specialy magasin and press release to have the latest news about a band?
09:22 <Lucifer> philippeqc: yes, but only if you don't live in the same state
09:22 <Lucifer> or in the case of the smaller states, you need to live 2-3 states away before that's acceptable
09:22 <philippeqc> ;)
09:22 <Lucifer> and yes, that means that for really famous bands, you can't be a hard-core fan unless you're really close to the band
09:22 <Lucifer> so all those metallibangers out there that say they're hardcore fans?  They're posers.
09:22  * GodTodd still can't believe he doesn't have persistence of time :/
09:23  * Lucifer hasn't listened to any anthrax in a year
09:23 <Lucifer> wait, that's a lie
09:23  * philippeqc is about the furthest point one can get from being a hard-core fan, 
09:23 <Lucifer> I just put an anthrax album into my alarm clock
09:23 <GodTodd> i've only listened to parts of attack of the killer bs
09:23 <Lucifer> I think I'm sick of anthrax, seriously
09:24 <GodTodd> i haven't listened to any new anthrax beyond sound of white noise
09:24 <Lucifer> they used to be an energizing kind of band, now they're energy-draining
09:24 <Lucifer> for regular listening, you can't listen to anything after sound of white noise
09:24 <Lucifer> you have to really be in the mood for their more recent stuff
09:24 <GodTodd> i think i bought one years ago...and never listened to it
09:25 <GodTodd> stomp 442 is anthrax, right?
09:25 <Lucifer> like, to really get into Volume 8, you've damn near got to be oing through a divorce
09:25 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one after sound of white noise
09:25 <GodTodd> yeah
09:25 <GodTodd> i have that one
09:25 <GodTodd> never listened to it tho
09:25 <GodTodd> heh
09:25 <Lucifer> that's another one that you can't listen to when your life is overall good
09:26 <Lucifer> it's not that they went emo, because they most certainly didn't, it's that you can't relate to the music unless you're experiencing some bad shit
09:26 <GodTodd> i've mostly been into lighter shit lately...bloodhound gang, cake, bowling for soup
09:26 <Lucifer> I've gone almost completely into iron maiden
09:26 <Lucifer> haven't been interested in anything else
09:26 <Lucifer> weird, really
09:27 <GodTodd> i still have some of that in the regular rotation too
09:27 <GodTodd> megadeth too
09:28 <GodTodd> tho...for some reason piece of mind doesn't seem nearly as good as it used to
09:30 <GodTodd> i've been in a mood conducive to humor in the music for a while
09:30 <GodTodd> probably stress due to school :)
09:30 <Lucifer> I haven't really been in a megadeth mood for awhile
09:30 <Lucifer> if I'm not playing guitar, I'm not interested in megadeth anymore
09:30 <Lucifer> does that mean I'm getting old?
09:30 <GodTodd> dunno
09:31 <Lucifer> that's not totally accurate, I've really taken to Hook in Mouth and make sure to listen to it a lot
09:31 <GodTodd> Youthanasia is still a good album tho
09:31 <Lucifer> that album's totally emo
09:31 <Lucifer> it's damned annoying
09:31 <GodTodd> yeah...well...sometimes even the best of us have an emo mood
09:31 <Lucifer> you're rocking along, then you realize he's whining some more and you get pissed about it
09:31 <GodTodd> :P
09:31 <GodTodd> we just try not to make a habit of it
09:31 <GodTodd> heh
09:32 <Lucifer> I'm totally with you on that, but see, with an album....
09:32 <Lucifer> that album represents 2-4 years of the band's *life*
09:32 <GodTodd> truly
09:32 <Lucifer> so maybe *I* can take a song here or there and whine by myself with it, and then slap myself afterwards, but I find it a bit repugnant that someone would make it their life
09:33 <GodTodd> tru dat
09:33 <Lucifer> that's why an emo song here or there by a good band is fine, but an entire album is not fine
09:34 <Lucifer> what does an emo kid and a nazi punk have in common?
09:34 <GodTodd> hell...i haven't even listened to queensryche in forever
09:34 <Lucifer> they both think the emo kid's life sucks
09:34 <Lucifer> I've been getting back into operation mindrcrime
09:34 <GodTodd> mindcrime is awesome
09:34 <Lucifer> what does an emo kid and a catholic preacher have in common?
09:35 <Lucifer> they both think the emo kid's life sucks
09:35 <Lucifer> what does a catholic priest and a nazi punk have in common?
09:35 <GodTodd> they both think the emo kid's life sucks
09:35 <Lucifer> aw, too predictable
09:35 <GodTodd> :)
09:37 <Lucifer> and king diamond
09:37 <Lucifer> I can't be getting old as long as I like king diamond
09:37 <Lucifer> it doesn't get more juvenile than that!
09:37 <GodTodd> oooh...that's someone i haven't listened to in forever too
09:39 <GodTodd> doesn't he live somewhere around here?
09:39 <Lucifer> somewhere in dallas
09:39 <GodTodd> yeah...i thought so
09:40 <GodTodd> i oughta dredge up where
09:40 <GodTodd> heh
09:40 <Lucifer> I tried once, you can't get an address
09:40 <Lucifer> unless you remember his real name, which I don't
09:40 <Lucifer> even then, maybe not
09:40 <Lucifer> Kim something
09:40 <GodTodd> kim something
09:40 <GodTodd> something danish
09:40 <Lucifer> yeah, something that's definitely not belgish
09:40 <Lucifer> Petersen?
09:41 <Lucifer> yep
09:41 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Diamond
09:41 <GodTodd> yeah...kim bendix petersen
09:42 <philippeqc> do any of you know if there is a clickable link to zones_v2 on the wiki?
09:42 <philippeqc> I cant seem to find it
09:42 <GodTodd> holy fuck...he's still recording?
09:43 <philippeqc> found one in development docs, do you know if there are more?
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09:46 <philippeqc> hi zman
09:47 <Lucifer> philippeqc: I don't know, sorry
09:47 <Lucifer> GodTodd: apparently he is
09:47 <Lucifer> that's just proof that he's not really one person, since one person could not possibly sustain that style of singing over such a long career
09:49 <GodTodd> haha
09:49 <GodTodd> yeah...says he put out an album this past june
09:50 <GodTodd> 22 fucking years
09:50 <GodTodd> wow
09:53 <GodTodd> holy fuck...i could see him for 30$
09:53 <GodTodd> King Diamond
09:54 <GodTodd> House of Blues Dallas, Dallas, TX
09:54 <GodTodd> Wed, May 7, 2008 06:30 PM
09:54 <MrBougo> lol
09:54 <GodTodd> day after my birthday :)
09:55 <GodTodd> no one would go with me tho
09:55 <GodTodd> :/
09:55 <GodTodd> heh
09:58 <Lucifer> I'd go with you
09:58 <Lucifer> but that's likely to be week of finals, or near it :(
10:00 <philippeqc> lucifer: to divorce ourself from the movie, we could start by using ladyx's moviepack as the default one. That would change us from light-cycle to light-vehicule
10:04 <GodTodd> probably so :(
10:28 <Lucifer> philippeqc: can't really do that until the code paths for rendering moviepacks and the default art are consolidated
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10:31 <Lucifer> philippeqc: technically, we have our own physics interpretation that's separate from disney's, and clearly so based on how disney's implemented their interpretation in their own games
10:31 <Lucifer> so if we could somehow move away from the light concept, preferably without resorting to magic, we're probably fine
10:32 <Lucifer> alternately, if we can get the core engine to support different game types like we've talked about before (ebonstar, ice skating, etc), then we can stay with a default tronny thing as proof-of-concept and probably be ok
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10:41 <philippeqc> Lucifer: dont the the "and clearly so based on how ..." part. I've never seen disney's game. My first introduction was a snake game where spiders left thread behind them
10:42 <Lucifer> er, what?
10:42 <philippeqc> darn, should have read you all first
10:42 <philippeqc> well, what is the "light concept" anyway
10:43 <spidey_> rofl
10:43 <spidey_> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3317104&CatId=2417
10:44 <philippeqc> reboot retook the "vehicule on a grid", but made them move on a cube and not leave traces
10:44 <spidey_> scroll down to the detailed features
10:44 <philippeqc> leaving trace is quite a general game idea, many snake clones out there
10:44 <spidey_> the usb 2.0 ports, they're advertising the mobo with a broken usb port =O
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10:45 <philippeqc> broken usb port? i cant seem to find the broken part
10:46 <spidey> ....
10:46 <spidey> let me see you stick a usb device in there
10:46 <philippeqc> oooo yeeah! I saw it! the metal is bent!
10:47 <philippeqc> ;)
10:48 <epsy> hi
10:48 <philippeqc> hello
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14:20 <philippeqc> http://www.math.kobe-u.ac.jp/~kodama/tips-RubyPoly.html
14:20 <philippeqc> that should take care of our mathematical evaluation for a bit
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14:21 <philippeqc> I'm running the different samples, and it present the library capacities, most of which seems to be math I either forgotten or never learned ;)
14:21 <philippeqc> so basic animation in maps should not be much of a trouble
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16:02 <epsy> #armaconfig team_allow_shu
16:02 <armabot> epsy: TEAM_ALLOW_SHUFFLE_UP: If set to 1, players are allowed to change their position in the team as they wish. If 0, they only can drop in rank. (default: 0)
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17:09 <madmax> hi
17:09 <flex> hey max
17:09 <flex> epsy?
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17:21 <epsy> #armaconfig port
17:21 <armabot> epsy: BOOKMARK_0_PORT: Server port of the 1st server bookmark (default: 4534) || BOOKMARK_10_PORT: Server port of the 11th server bookmark (default: 4534) || BOOKMARK_1_PORT: Server port of the 2nd server bookmark (default: 4534) || BOOKMARK_2_PORT: Server port of the 3rd server bookmark (default: 4534) || BOOKMARK_3_PORT: Server port of the 4th server bookmark (default: 4534) || BOOKMARK_4_PORT: (3 more messages)
17:21 <epsy> mh
17:21 <epsy> #armaconfig min_port
17:21 <armabot> epsy: Sorry, no matches :S
17:22 <flex> #armaconfig minimum_port
17:22 <armabot> flex: Sorry, no matches :S
17:25 <madmax> #lastseen webg
17:25 <armabot> madmax: timed out
17:25 <madmax> #lastseen lackad
17:25 <armabot> madmax: Lackadaisical has last been seen on Swampland Mini 2 hours 6 minutes ago.
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17:50 <philippeqc> well, the thing is, I'd really appreciate a hand to fix the zone system
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18:46 <ghableska> #tea
18:46 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): -{GP}- Gonzap, .:] flåsh, export, pavelo, StarßtCk °MßC°, tek, Tr³yz, |<, ~*$P*~ Om3gA, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ~*SP*~Pez, ~d3m0nic l3m0n~
18:59 <ghableska> I knew it!
18:59 <ghableska> http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/arts_entertainment/harry+potter+gay+twist/941547
19:02 <philippeqc> yeah, read it. Quite neat!
19:03 <ghableska> heh
19:04 <philippeqc> Dumblemore side by side with tinki winki
19:04 <ghableska> :P
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21:30 <MrBougo> night
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23:22 <no_winblowz> I would like for people to test my server, join runemaste644 on the default port
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23:40 <luke-jr> runemaste645: good for you
23:42 <runemaste645> can you test it please?
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23:43 <runemaste645> I am having a little trouble having it on the list of servers
23:52 <flex> epsy
23:53 <flex> epsy!
23:53 <epsy> whatever lol
23:53 <epsy> can't you talk on msn ? xD
23:53 <runemaste645> can YOU test my server?
23:53 <epsy> instead of highlighting my nick every hour here
23:53 <epsy> i'm busy sorry
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--- Day changed Sun Oct 21 2007
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00:13 <runemaste645> I can connect to myself
00:14 <runemaste645> but I want others to be able to connect to me
00:15 <Lackadaisical> what is it called?
00:16 <Lucifer> that's a basic human need
00:16 <Gursikh> I thought you loved me baby?
00:16 <Gursikh> We had a connection!
00:16 <runemaste645> it should be Revolution of Chaos server
00:16 <Gursikh> 17:10 < runemaste645> I can connect to myself <--- sounds dirty
00:17 <runemaste645> but it is runemaste644:4534
00:17 <runemaste645> I mean I can play on
00:17 <runemaste645> which is of course me
00:18 <Gursikh> maybe if you have a domain or IP we would know where to connect?
00:18 <runemaste645> is my real IP
00:19 <runemaste645> but I use DynDNS so it is runemaste644 in the server list
00:19  * Gursikh has used the server list a total of 4 times
00:20 <runemaste645> custom connect to
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08:05 <QUARG> hello
08:05 <QUARG> is z man here?
08:06 <QUARG> i was hoping that you would be able to give me a crash course on comipling the source for tron  on mac
08:08 <QUARG> or maybe refer me to a site with the info i need
08:13 <luke-jr> I think nemostultae is the only Mac user here
08:14 <QUARG> really i thought that i saw it was z_man who made the port to mac
08:14 <QUARG> but you might be right
08:14 <QUARG> is there a way that i can get ahold of him?
08:16 <Lucifer> aren't there mac build instructions on the wiki?
08:16 <QUARG> well from what i saw they are for linux
08:19 <QUARG> and when i tried doing the patching the last time it seemd to have errors on a few lines
08:20 <QUARG> i think that there are steps that are mac specific in the compiling
08:22 <Lucifer> yeah, load the xcode project file and run it
08:22 <Lucifer> shouldn't be any patching needed
08:23 <QUARG> for the ctf?
08:23 <QUARG> were do i get the xcode file?
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08:25 <Lucifer> er, if you're building so you can write on the wiki, you don't use the ctf patch :)
08:25 <Lucifer> the xcode file should be in the source archive that's released
08:25 <Lucifer> it may not be, though, you may have to do a svn checkout
08:25 <Lucifer> instructions for that are on the wiki, too :)
08:27 <QUARG>  if you're building so you can write on the wiki,
08:27 <QUARG> soory i dont know what you  mean?
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09:24 <MrBougo> #ping
09:24 <armabot> pong
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11:15 <Lucifer> #ping
11:15 <armabot> pong
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15:55 <P4> who has owner capability on armabot?
15:56 <P4> can you set supybot.followIdentificationThroughNickChanges to True?
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16:04 <epsy> P4|away, wrtlprnft
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16:09 <DrJoeTron> disabling a hard drive in the bios will infact prevent me from accidently formating it c/d?
16:10 <epsy> yes :)
16:10 <DrJoeTron> c?
16:10 <DrJoeTron> wonderful
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16:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 
16:21 <wrtlprnft> #config followIdentificationThroughNickChanges true
16:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:22 <epsy> wrtlprnft, come to « fortress test »
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16:40 <Lazer> hey all
16:41 <Lazer> am i alone ?
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16:51 <madmax> hi
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17:14 <DrJoeTron> yay
17:14 <DrJoeTron> my wireless card works on ubuntu now
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17:49 <runemaste644> i have tried EVERYTHING to get my server up
17:49 <runemaste644> it still will not work
17:50 <runemaste644> i opened the port, disabled the firewall, everything!
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17:51 <runemaste644> does anyone know what im doing wrong?
17:52 <runemaste644> look or or runemaste644 in the server logs please
17:52 <GodTodd_> typing on the computer on a nice sunny day? ;)
17:52 <runemaste644> i thought port forwarding would fix it
17:52 <runemaste644> it didnt
17:53 <runemaste644> im using the Linux version of armagetronad, BTW
17:53 <runemaste644> i use the latest dedicated
17:53 <runemaste644> i converted it from RPM with alien
17:54 <runemaste644> i can only join my own server
17:56 <runemaste644> well, can someone with a successfully working server paste their settings_custom.cfg file on a pastebin so i can use that?
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18:05 <runemaste644> does anyone know what is wrong with my configuration?
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18:09 <DrJoeTron> runemaste644
18:10 <DrJoeTron> install linux
18:10 <DrJoeTron> problem solved
18:10 <DrJoeTron> :d
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18:16 <runemaste644> i already have linux...
18:16 <runemaste644> anyone else know?
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18:18 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:20 <wrtlprnft> the last server I got from your IP is
18:20 <wrtlprnft> [2007/10/20 21:03:44] [1] Received new server:
18:20 <wrtlprnft> [2007/10/20 21:03:49] [17] Acknowledged server:
18:21 <wrtlprnft> and that server is still running (i can connect to it), but not talking to the masters (at least not mine).
18:21 <wrtlprnft> are you sure TALK_TO_MASTER is still set to 1?
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18:33 <[TDL]Zesh> Lucifer
18:34 <[TDL]Zesh> you there
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19:31 <madmax> #armaservers
19:31 <armabot> madmax: This data is 0 seconds old; ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ (16/16), Fortress Café (13/32), WILDCAT TeamServer (8/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8/14), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (8/12), Norm's Place (8/12), Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (7/16), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7/12), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), ~7evin Sinz~ ~7S~ (6/10), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (6/10), -=}ID< (2 more messages)
19:31 <Durka> ddl ftl
19:31 <madmax> pffft
19:32 <madmax> this one ftw:
19:32 <Durka> :D
19:32 <madmax> #sd nexus
19:32 <armabot> madmax: Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!): No online players.
19:32 <Durka> i like that server ^^
19:32 <Lackadaisical> lies! there is 0.1 rubber
19:32 <Lucifer> jerks
19:32 <epsy> :P
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19:41 <mkzelda> armagetronad: error while loading shared libraries: libGLEW.so.1.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:41 <mkzelda> what does libGLEW belong to?
19:42 <epsy> GL stuff
19:42 <epsy> -> mesa
19:42 <pavelo> http://glew.sourceforge.net/
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19:43 <mkzelda> ty
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19:53 <Durka> Lackadaisical: tell Rico to unban me -.-
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20:53 <Lackadaisical> why does epsy need voicing?
20:54 <epsy> because i'm silenced and i need to talk Lackadaisical
20:54 <Lackadaisical> what for?
20:54 <epsy> how many matches did you play already ?
20:54 <epsy> did you finish ?
20:55 <Lackadaisical> this is the third match
20:55 <epsy> my coonection broke during a round
20:55 <Lackadaisical> kod: 2 x: 0
20:55 <tramshed> I woke up drunk
20:56 <tramshed> it kind of sucks
20:56 <epsy> oh and i'ill drop the TR vs SP record
20:56 <epsy> as they doesn't unlock their fucking serv
20:56 <MrBougo> bye
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20:58 <epsy> oh fuck voice me or i drop the X vs KoD one too
20:58 <epsy> Lackadaisical,
20:59 <epsy> Lackadaisical, TELL THEM
21:01 <Lackadaisical> ok
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21:29 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
21:29 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 85.5°F (2:32 PM CDT on October 21, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling).
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23:36 <Lucifer> http://openclipart.org/people/GMcGlinn/GMcGlinn_Viking_Longship.svg
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02:05 <GodTodd> Lucifer!
02:22 <Lucifer> GodTodd!
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02:34 <GodTodd> Lucifer!
02:34 <Lucifer> heh, my four year old just said his foot needs dr pepper
02:35 <GodTodd> heh
02:35 <Lucifer> I should take him into the kitchen and poor dr pepper on his foot
02:35 <Lucifer> *pour
02:35 <Lucifer> I need to irc a lot less, my spelling has gotten atrocious
02:36 <GodTodd> it'll do that
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03:04 <GodTodd> blarg
03:05 <GodTodd> looks like another round of ndiswrapper for a friggin integrated wireless :/
03:05 <Lucifer> karen's?
03:06 <GodTodd> yeah...she got a new laptop yesterday
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03:06 <GodTodd> and is *very* against vista already
03:07 <spidey> vista owns you
03:07 <GodTodd> and apparently ubuntu/kubuntu doesn't recognize her wireless out of the box
03:15 <Lucifer> so you're tearing vista off and putting ubuntu on it?
03:15 <Lucifer> spidey: no, vista owns you.  vista's not in my house.  :)
03:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer: if i can get het wireless working, yeah
03:20 <GodTodd> the*
03:38 <Lucifer> cold front's supposed to be here in about 3 hours
03:39 <Lucifer> GodTodd: what kind of wireless does she have?
03:39 <GodTodd> realtek 8187b
03:39 <GodTodd> i believe
03:40 <GodTodd> yeah RTL8187B
03:41 <Lucifer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546663&highlight=Realtek
03:41 <Lucifer> what kernel did it install?
03:41 <Lucifer> there's supposed to be a native linux driver in 2.6.23
03:42 <Lucifer> http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
03:42 <GodTodd> i haven't installed it yet....it's the 7.10 livecd
03:42 <Lucifer> http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Mac80211
03:48 <Lucifer> you need to build a custom kernel for that
03:48 <Lucifer> best bet looks to be getting the win98/ndiswrapper thing going until ubuntu moves on to a .23 or later kernel that gives a native driver
03:49 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i was thinking
03:49 <GodTodd> also, i did the upgrade thing on the kitchen machine and now i have to find out why the wireless there is not working now :/
03:50 <GodTodd> grrr
03:50 <Lucifer> heh
03:50 <Lucifer> did it upgrade ndiswrapper?  I've seen several kernel updates recently but no ndiswrapper update
03:50 <Lucifer> it hasn't hurt me, so I haven't worried about it
03:50 <GodTodd> dunno...that one wasn't working on ndiswrapper
03:50 <GodTodd> it was recognized
03:50 <Lucifer> wait, I did get something upgraded the other night that required me to reset my net configuration
03:51 <GodTodd> and it shows that i have wireless but it's not using it
03:51 <Lucifer> ah, do you have to tell it to connect manually?
03:51 <Lucifer> I have to do that, it's a pain
03:51 <GodTodd> i do on here
03:52 <GodTodd> never had to on there
03:52 <GodTodd> but when i do, it doesn't work
03:52 <Lucifer> encrypted?
03:52 <GodTodd> nope
03:52 <Lucifer> maybe it deleted the pass phrase when it upgraded :)
03:52 <GodTodd> it sees no networks
03:52 <Lucifer> onboard wireless or pci card?
03:52 <GodTodd> pci
03:53 <Lucifer> does lspci show the card?
03:53 <GodTodd> sec, i'll make sure
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03:57 <GodTodd> yep it do
03:57 <Lucifer> 184145 files and directories currently installed.  <--- eek!
03:57 <Lucifer> did you try modprobing the module?
03:57 <GodTodd> no...
03:57 <Lucifer> what's the card?
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03:57 <GodTodd> it's an atheros or something like that
03:58 <Lucifer> ath5k?
03:58 <Lucifer> sudo modprobe ath5k
03:58 <Lucifer> :)
03:59 <GodTodd> ar2413 it looks like
03:59 <GodTodd> and ath0 is what it is usually on
04:00 <Lucifer> well, do the modprobe, then /etc/init.d/networking restart and see what happens
04:00 <GodTodd> modprobe on the ar2413?
04:00 <Lucifer> I've noticed some upgrades disabling kernel modules when they shouldn't be
04:00 <Lucifer> yeah
04:00 <GodTodd> k
04:00 <Lucifer> modprobe inserts the module into a running kernel
04:00 <Lucifer> why it's called modprobe I don't know
04:01 <Lucifer> probably because unlike insmod it actually searches on disk for the module
04:01 <Lucifer> http://openclipart.org/media/view/media/home  <--- openclipart is back up
04:02 <GodTodd> module not found
04:02 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:02 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 75.0°F (9:02 PM CDT on October 21, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising).
04:05 <Lucifer> curiouser and curiouser
04:05 <Lucifer> sure that's the right module?
04:06 <Lucifer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569636
04:06 <Lucifer> you need to install the restricted modules package, apparently
04:08 <GodTodd> ah...ok
04:08 <GodTodd> thing is...i had to *disable* that to do the upgrade
04:08 <GodTodd> heh
04:27 <Lucifer> didn't realize it was time to upgrade :)
04:28  * Lucifer just started his server and laptop upgrading
04:30 <Lucifer> is it worth upgrading?
04:30 <Lucifer> Uptime: 4 days and 33 minutes
04:34 <luke-jr> um
04:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what characters are valid for Authors?
04:47 <Lucifer> luke-jr: in a map?  I don't know...
04:47 <Lucifer> utf-8 encoding, isn't it?
04:47 <luke-jr> yeah
04:47 <Lucifer> then any character allowed in utf-8 :)
04:47 <luke-jr> but that doesn't mean we need to allow everything
04:47 <luke-jr> especially when there's a high probability it will break with our existing code
04:49 <luke-jr> (unrelated) btw, probably no civ from me for a while; my son was just born
04:50 <Lucifer> yeah, we don't want your son to get any of the nuclear fallout
04:50 <Lucifer> author isn't shown anywhere, and afaik is pretty much ignored
04:50 <Lucifer> I'd say we probably have to go with LCD on the filesystem, since the filename comes from the author field
04:56 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Author is used in directory filenames
04:56 <luke-jr> yeah
04:57 <luke-jr> I suspect '$' isn't supported somewhere
04:57 <luke-jr> or is at least a special char
04:57 <luke-jr> any reason not to stick with a-zA-Z0-9_?
05:03 <GodTodd> grrr...any way to fix adept manager without internet and without a full reinstall?
05:03 <GodTodd> or...alternately...know off the top where the repositories manager config file is?
05:13 <luke-jr> /etc/apt?
05:35 <Lucifer> GodTodd: no, I don't, but I can look real quick
05:35 <Lucifer> I wound up installing update-manager because adept is crap
05:36 <Lucifer>  /etc/apt
05:36 <Lucifer> files in there are named pretty obviously
05:50 <GodTodd> yeah...that didn't work :/
05:50 <GodTodd> when i open the manager it says something else is using it
05:50 <GodTodd> and that's just not true
05:50 <GodTodd> so i can't reenable that repo
05:50 <GodTodd> livecd sees my NIC just fine
05:51 <GodTodd> so i may just reinstall with 7.10 and re-setup sharing...should be easier with karen on kubuntu
05:52 <GodTodd> (our internet fucked up pretty bad during upgrade and i got a lot of errors on it...so i think i have a half-upgrade) :/
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06:41 <luke-jr> actually, I've heard 7.10 has a really messed up X.org
06:41 <luke-jr> so it might be more than just X that they're screwing with
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07:12 <Lucifer> hmmm, I could send you a file to put in there
07:12 <spidey> u
07:12 <Lucifer> GodTodd: hopefully it's not too late ^^^^^^^
07:13 <GodTodd> nah...haven't done anything drastic yet :)
07:13 <Lucifer> I need to finish my upgrade here before I send you anything to make sure I've actually got the right information to send
07:13 <GodTodd> np
07:14 <Lucifer> I think it's saved already, because the adept update manager is telling me I need to update, so it's checked the repos already
07:14 <Lucifer> anyway, my idea is to replace those repo files with mine and rerun the upgrade :)
07:14 <Lucifer> so if it did screw up and only half upgrade, it'll fix it
07:14 <GodTodd> that's what i want to do...but the pack manager won't let me do it
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
07:16 <GodTodd> tho, i'ma be switching laptops soon...not sure if i'll upgrade this one before tommy gets it
07:16 <GodTodd> karen's old lappy has 50GB more hdd and is a 2.4GHz while this is an 800MHz
07:17 <GodTodd> double the ram too
07:17 <Lucifer> so whatcha going to do with the one tommy already uses?  ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> it goes to conor
07:18 <GodTodd> ;)
07:18  * Lucifer pounces on any perceived opportunity to get hardware
07:18 <GodTodd> depends on the hardware you need
07:18 <Lucifer> any/all?  ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> we have two broke ass lappys under the bed that probably have some good parts
07:18 <Lucifer> I'm actually concerned about the hard drive right now in my laptop
07:18 <Lucifer> and I generally need portable machines anyway
07:19 <Lucifer> what's wrong with the two under the bed?
07:19 <GodTodd> not sure
07:19 <GodTodd> i'll have to ask karen to remind me
07:19 <GodTodd> i think it's a power thing
07:19 <GodTodd> oh wait
07:19 <GodTodd> no
07:19 <GodTodd> they overheat
07:19 <GodTodd> that's what it is
07:19 <Lucifer> that's it?
07:19 <GodTodd> afaik
07:20 <GodTodd> haven't had a chance to break them open and look at them
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07:20 <Lucifer> only reason a laptop would overheat that didn't previously is either broken fans, or very dirty
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:21 <Lucifer> there's the outside chance the circuit that kicks on the fans is broke, but that's like really rare
07:21 <GodTodd> most probably broke fans
07:21 <Lucifer> depending on how much work you want to do, there's an easy fix for that :)
07:21 <GodTodd> replace the fan :P
07:22 <Lucifer> I was thinking more like just tearing them open and pointing a fan at them
07:22 <Lucifer> useless as laptops then, but then I don't know what the availability of replacement fans is for laptops
07:22 <Lucifer> although i should find out, because I've got a rattling fan
07:23 <Lucifer> but yeah, I'd be interested in one or both of them.  If they run and then just shut down because of overheating, then one of them is perfect for my car
07:23 <Lucifer> would tear it open and give it a custom cooling system (needed for the car anyway), and it would give me a display.  :)
07:25 <Lucifer> man, we've got bugs that just won't die
07:25 <Lucifer> I stepped on this water roach a little while ago and cracked open his shell, and he's bleeding his guts out, but still trying to crawl around lookin for food
07:25 <luke-jr> liar
07:26 <Lucifer> did the same thing with two grasshoppers last night.  Managed to get one of them, but the other one got away with only 3 working legs, all on the same side
07:26 <Lucifer> why didn't the ignore command work on luke this last time?  :(
07:28 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
07:28 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 71.2°F (12:27 AM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
07:28 <Lucifer> that cold front is supposed to be arriving now
07:30 <MrBougo> http://xkcd.com/ haha today's armabotwesome
07:30 <MrBougo> damn, i hit tab
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07:36 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
07:36 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 73.0°F (11:48 PM CDT on October 21, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
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07:40 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i'll try to diagnose them a bit better in the next week or so
07:48 <GodTodd> snazzy...the usb wifi card for my new lappy works outta the box :)
07:53 <GodTodd> hrmm...do *all* radeons have trouble with the 3d stuff?
08:20 <Lucifer> apparently
08:20 <Lucifer> personally I'm hoping Gusty has better support for nvidia
08:22 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
08:22 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 71.2°F (1:22 AM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
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08:56 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
08:56 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 70.9°F (1:57 AM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
09:06 <Lucifer> grrr
09:06 <Lucifer> rebooting my server meant rebooting my DNS server :(
09:06 <Lucifer> #ping
09:06 <armabot> pong
09:09 <spidey> #weather 38256
09:10 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 52.7°F (2:13 AM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
09:10 <spidey> 52?
09:10 <Lucifer> it's colder here than the weather thing says, the cold front has deifnitely arrived
09:10 <spidey> it feels like it's 78 in the house
09:10 <spidey> and we don't even have the heater on
09:11 <spidey> anywho
09:11 <spidey> brb
09:12 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it's possible your installation broke because you had a custom pyqt4 installed
09:12 <Lucifer> I'm encountering that right now
09:15 <Lucifer> ok, rebooting, probably have a broke-ass system
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10:04 <luke-jr> GodTodd: only new ones
10:04 <luke-jr> because proper drivers are still in development for them
10:04 <luke-jr> try again in a year
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18:50 <madmax> hello
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19:54 <Gursikh> #weather 77381
19:54 <armabot> Gursikh: The current temperature in The Woodlands, Texas is 58.6°F (12:55 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
19:54 <Gursikh> sooo nasty outside ^^^
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21:59 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
21:59 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 55.9°F (3:02 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CDT this afternoon...
21:59 <Lucifer> it's fucking cold!
22:00  * Lucifer says that while he's telling his kids it's not cold.
22:00 <Lucifer> brb
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22:25 <epsy> damn phpBB
22:25 <epsy> it started on forums.aa.net to not mark topics as read
22:25 <epsy> extreme annoy
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22:45 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
22:45 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 57.4°F (3:47 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CDT this afternoon...
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23:21 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
23:21 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 57.4°F (4:22 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CDT this afternoon...
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23:38 <Lucifer> man, I should've thought of covering the xprizecup as a way of paying for the trip sooner.  I might already have an editor willing to go for it
23:43 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
23:43 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 77.0°F (5:46 PM EDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).

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03:01 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:01 <GodTodd> #ping
03:02 <armabot> pong
03:02 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 53.1°F (8:05 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
04:05 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:05 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 52.9°F (9:07 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CDT this afternoon...
04:06 <Lucifer> it's fucking cold here!
04:06 <Lucifer> warm where you are, though
04:06 <GodTodd> #ping
04:06 <armabot> pong
04:06 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:06 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 53.1°F (9:09 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
04:06 <GodTodd> .2 degrees different :P
04:06 <GodTodd> the wind is the killer
04:15 <spidey_> #weather 38256
04:15 <armabot> spidey_: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 64.4°F (9:19 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).
04:16 <spidey_> what's100% humidity mean?
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04:31 <GodTodd> means the air can hold no more water
04:32 <GodTodd> in layman's terms...pretty much it means rain ;)
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04:45 <Lucifer> man, newsforge has totally changed
04:45 <Lucifer> still essentially the same stuff, but different
04:46 <Lucifer> er, I was going to give spidey a detailed answer, but now I'm not
04:46 <Lucifer> GodTodd: did you work out the upgrade thing?
04:48 <GodTodd> nah...it was pretty borked so i'm doing different shit with that machine
04:49 <GodTodd> doing the ubuntu with a kde overlay like this laptop is
04:50 <GodTodd> did yours work more or less to plan?
04:51 <Lucifer> I had to remove the pyqt that I built, and then rerun apt-get so it could finish installing the stuff that was blocked
04:51 <Lucifer> haven't done the desktop yet, just the server and my laptop
04:51 <Lucifer> looking to see if I can find someone real quick that wants xprizecup coverage :)
04:51 <GodTodd> heh
04:52 <Lucifer> so I just emailed carmack to see if they're using any Free software, and if so, can he give me a few minutes at the cup to talk about it?  ;)
04:52 <Lucifer> I'm definitely going, my wife may stay home if she's scheduled to work
04:52 <Lucifer> so I may be going with my kids in my car (which I'd kind of prefer, but my wife doesn't fit in the car with the kids, which mostly sucks)
04:52 <GodTodd> ah
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04:54 <spidey> luke,...i am your father!
04:54 <GodTodd> i think you mean "daddy"
04:54 <GodTodd> :D
04:54 <spidey> lol
04:54 <Lucifer> luke: who's your daddy?
04:54 <Lucifer> hey, he's not here
04:54 <Lucifer> party!
04:54 <spidey> LOL
04:54 <GodTodd> nope, he has another rugrat to begin brainwashing
04:54 <Lucifer> spidey: relative humidity is an absurd number
04:54 <spidey> ?
04:55 <Lucifer> it's as godtodd says, it's a percentage of how much total water the air can hold in gaseous form
04:55 <Lucifer> as it approaches 100%, the air gets misty
04:55 <spidey> so, we have lakes in the air here?
04:55 <Lucifer> pretty much, yeah
04:55 <Lucifer> here's why it's absurd:
04:55 <Lucifer> at sea level, the air is very dense, right?
04:55 <spidey> ya
04:55 <Lucifer> and there's the weight of all the air above it pushing down, so it's also high pressure (comparably)
04:56 <Lucifer> so it can hold more water, measured by mass, than air that's in, say, denver, which has an elevation of a mile
04:56 <Lucifer> so 50% humidity at sea level means something totally different than 50% in Denver
04:56 <spidey> hm
04:56 <Lucifer> the more water you have in the atmosphere, the more heat can be stored in the atmosphere
04:57 <spidey> glad i'm not a weather man, cause that sounds forgein
04:57 <Lucifer> so saying it's 90 degrees and 95% relative humidity says very little about how hot it actually feels (which is the heat index)
04:57 <Lucifer> but if you said it's 90 degrees and there's 100kg/m^3 density of the air, that says something much more exact
04:58 <spidey> ah
04:59 <Lucifer> so when I go to new mexico this weekend, if they say it's 95% humidity, I'm going to blow it off
04:59 <Lucifer> I'll be 3000 feet higher than I normally live, and 95% humidity in new mexico is a dry day in central texas
05:02 <spidey> ic
05:06 <GodTodd> yeah NM is friggen dry
05:06 <GodTodd> my skin always peels there :/
05:10 <spidey> i love daemon tools
05:11 <spidey> i made iso's of all the games i play that need cd's and mounted them all with daemon tools =D
05:12 <Lucifer> ok, here's hoping geek.com pays freelance writers
05:12 <Lucifer> hell, if they do, I've probably got all sorts of content for them and could be a regular contributor
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05:41 <ct|kyle> Durka__: oi
05:45 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192496#192496  <-- this is the worst joke I've ever told in the arma community
05:45 <Lucifer> it's not the worst joke I've ever told, I'm sure
05:46 <ct|kyle> it is a joke?
05:48 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: can CT append PTA to our AFL team. aka replace one of our null players with him?
05:48 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Nun
05:48 <Lucifer> jesus, can any of the teams get it together?  Everyone wants to keep adding players!
05:48 <Lucifer> is PTA playing on any other teams?
05:49 <Lucifer> (I feel dumb asking that question, btw)
05:49 <ct|kyle> not that i know of
05:50 <ct|kyle> CT is trying to get organized. we did not even know if we were playing till the last minute
05:51 <Lucifer> heh, ok.  I dont' care if PTA joins, I'll tell durka
05:51 <Lucifer> Durka__: PTA is joining CT :)
05:51 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that is, as long as he's not on any other teams ;)
05:52 <ct|kyle> should not be.
05:58 <Durka__> Lucifer: do you want access to edit the rosters?
05:58 <Lucifer> Durka__: ummm, not sure how much it matters.  If it's a pain for you, then sure, but I can't promise to do more than tell you about a change anyway :)
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06:00 <Durka__> Lucifer: read my email
06:00 <Lucifer> yes, that's what we agreed about the playoffs
06:01 <Durka__> mkay :)
06:01 <ct|kyle> Durka__: hopefully that message is fully implemented for next week
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06:01 <Durka__> heh
06:01 <Durka__> i like the idea
06:01 <Durka__> have you showed/told luci?
06:01 <ct|kyle> nope
06:01 <Durka__> btw, I'll just add PTA
06:01 <Durka__> u have 10
06:01 <Durka__> with him makes 11, so u can still add one more
06:02 <Lucifer> kyle never talks to me, he says I abuse him too much
06:02 <ct|kyle> yup
06:02 <Durka__> xD
06:02 <ct|kyle> to both Durka__ and Lucifer
06:02 <ct|kyle> :D
06:02 <Lucifer> :)
06:03 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: well there is the webpage that talks to ct mayhem right now.
06:03 <Durka__> you type in what u want to say
06:03 <Durka__> it shows: Grid name
06:03 <Durka__> and message
06:03 <Durka__> u type it in and hit send
06:03 <Durka__> and in the server it shows
06:03 <Durka__> Admin: Durka: ZOMG GUYS LET ME IN THE SERVER, ITS LOCKED!
06:04 <ct|kyle> so if a player gets thee late one could say let me in
06:04 <ct|kyle> and Durka__ we need to set up a password for this weeks match
06:04 <Durka__> well
06:04 <Durka__> i won't be there
06:04 <Durka__> so don't worry about me :P
06:05 <ct|kyle> so you can tell the rest of the team
06:06 <Durka__> haha Lucifer
06:06 <Durka__> remember u wanted me to make an upload thingee?
06:06 <Lucifer> yeah
06:06 <Lucifer> did you make one?
06:06 <Durka__> well i made it a few weeks ago
06:06 <Durka__> i mean
06:06 <Durka__> it works well but 2 things
06:06 <Durka__> 1. It takes a while to upload sometimes
06:06 <Durka__> and
06:07 <Durka__> 2. u can overwrite files
06:07 <Durka__> like if someone uploaded match2.png
06:07 <Durka__> then someone else uploads a different match2.png
06:07 <Durka__> the 1st one is erased
06:07 <ct|kyle> shh me would never do that
06:07 <Lucifer> you need to rename it to something guaranteed unique, and store the original name in the database
06:07 <Durka__> lol
06:08 <Durka__> this isn't using a database
06:08 <Lucifer> if you don't want to do that, you can do something else, but it's a little trickier
06:08 <Durka__> well
06:08 <Lucifer> how are you associating files with games?
06:08 <Durka__> u can see how it is right now
06:08 <Durka__> first, really quick
06:08 <Durka__> http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3361/snapshot20071022210922gi3.png
06:08 <Durka__> that's the file (roster), it's messy :P
06:08 <ct|kyle> check for file in directory if file is in directory append something to it
06:08 <Durka__> are u ok with editing that?
06:08 <Durka__> kylez0rz, how i do dat?
06:09 <Durka__> for now: http://durkas.info/afl/results.php?mode=upload
06:09 <Lucifer> sure, but I won't promise to like it
06:09  * GodTodd smacks Lucifer for making him read that...
06:09 <ct|kyle> umm i had the code somewhere
06:09 <Lucifer> I can sling html like there's no tomorrow, but it's like scrubbing the bathtub
06:09 <Lucifer> GodTodd: :)
06:09 <Lucifer> payback for the third and short joke
06:09 <GodTodd> haha
06:10 <GodTodd> you know when a joke is so bad that it doesn't even deserve a rimshot? :P
06:10 <Lucifer> Durka__: an alternative is to check if the file exists under the name, and if so, just rename it
06:10 <GodTodd> thing is...i'm not sure many on the forums will get that joke ;)
06:10 <Durka__> yea, or append a random # on to it or something
06:11 <Lucifer> if you absolutely insist on preserving the name someone else gave it, then create a uniquely named directory and put it there, where it won't clash with the original
06:11 <Durka__> test how long it takes to uplaod
06:11 <Durka__> especially recordings (compressed please :D )
06:11 <Lucifer> I like to use md5 hashes that include a timestamp and a random number
06:11 <Durka__> u can only upload certain extentions
06:11 <Durka__> just the major compressed file formats and png
06:12 <Lucifer> pdf?
06:12 <ct|kyle> Durka__: look at how to readdir()
06:12 <Lucifer> did you hack this together by hand?
06:12 <Durka__> i modified some script
06:13 <Durka__> the most useful part i added was that it links u to the image and stuff
06:13 <Lucifer> it would be nice if you could get one of those ajax project bars.  I decided to test it with a 26MB pdf file
06:13 <Durka__> like here's the completion
06:13 <Lucifer> if it rejects the pdf file, then I'll have to go through the whole upload to find out it was rejected ;/
06:13 <Lucifer> lemme cut that off and just use an image
06:13 <Durka__> http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5905/snapshot20071022211713sx7.png
06:14 <Lucifer> er, it's not showing me the file location
06:14 <Lucifer> it's getting cutoff
06:14 <Durka__> i'm using iframe i think
06:14 <Durka__> just click it
06:14 <Durka__> it should open up in a new window
06:15 <ct|kyle> just remember to add PTA  i gtg
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06:15 <Durka__> already did ^
06:15 <Lucifer> it's not opening up in a new window
06:15 <Durka__> oO
06:15 <Lucifer> no wait, that's not what I mean
06:15 <Durka__> (let's just abandone this idea)
06:15 <Lucifer> I just uploaded a screenshot :)
06:17 <Lucifer> ah, I see what happened
06:17 <Lucifer> it's the iframe
06:17 <Lucifer> http://durkas.info/afl/upload/files/brokeuploader.png
06:18 <Durka__> word
06:18 <Durka__> why's it doing that?
06:18 <Lucifer> beats me
06:18 <Lucifer> try doing it without the iframe :)
06:18 <Durka__> meh
06:18 <Durka__> in a bit
06:19 <Durka__> respond to my /msg first
06:19 <Lucifer> ?  I didn't get a /msg
06:19 <Durka__> meh
06:19 <Lucifer> you need to identify :)
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06:23 <Lucifer> http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2221812620071023
06:23 <Lucifer> what a fucking psycho
06:30 <Durka__> Lucifer: http://durkas.info/afl/private
06:31 <Durka__> does it work?
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06:32 <Durka__> oO
06:32 <epsy> pfff
06:32 <Durka__> :O :)
06:32 <epsy> :d
06:36 <Durka__> Lucifer: ?
06:37 <GodTodd> man....that's what passes for a speedy trial now?
06:38 <Lucifer> heh
06:38 <Lucifer> Durka__: ?
06:39 <Lucifer> Durka__: works
06:39 <Lucifer> sorry, I stepped out for a smoke
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06:40 <Lucifer> GodTodd: her arraignment is the exercise of her constitutional right to a speedy trial
06:41 <Lucifer> you can wave that right to some extent, afaik, for scheduling purposes.  Also, the constitution doesn't specify "speedy", I believe, its intent is that you're not kept in jail for a long period without judicial review
06:41 <Lucifer> because we could lock you up and throw away the key knowing you'd be acquitted by just never charging you :)
06:43 <Gursikh> good thing we can just call you a terrorist now and do that, no need for that pesky "constitution" thing
06:44 <Lucifer> why people seem to think the constitution only protects citizens of the US is something I just don't get
06:44 <Lucifer> I don't recall it saying it only applies to US citizens accused of crimes
06:44 <Lucifer> of course, it does say that habeous corpus can be suspended, which is what the patriot act does for some people (so it probably is legal, really)
06:44 <Gursikh> Shutup you damn terrorist
06:45 <Gursikh> >.<
06:45 <Lucifer> kiss my ass you pinko conservative earth-killer
06:47 <Gursikh> Damn tree-hugger, why dont you go support your damn JEEE-had and leave me alone?
06:47 <Gursikh> anyways
06:48 <Gursikh> On a serious note, please alert any of your Brown or Muslim friends to be careful this week, especiialy if they are college students
06:48 <Lucifer> why?
06:49 <Gursikh> It's apparently "islamo-fascism" week
06:49 <Lucifer> (my immediate supervisor at work is muslim)
06:49 <Gursikh> http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/
06:50 <Gursikh> and shit's supposed to be going down accross the country, violence and hate crimes are to be expected
06:51 <Lucifer> er, is that a joke site?
06:51 <Gursikh> no, it's real
06:52 <Gursikh> and events have been confirmed at many schools not on that list
06:52 <Gursikh> the events themselves are supposed to be protests
06:52 <Gursikh> but anytime you have something like this you _ALWAYS_ get the group of rednecks who get drunk and go beat the shit out of some random dark-skinned person(s)
06:53 <Lucifer> true dat
06:53 <Lucifer> I'm willing to bet my school's pretty safe, though
06:53 <Lucifer> :)
06:53 <GodTodd> not in texas...we don't gots no rednecks in these here parts
06:53 <GodTodd> ;)
06:53 <Lucifer> well, I am in the liberal heart of texas
06:54 <Lucifer> and most of the kids I've talked to at school, particularly Iraq veterans, are now opposed to the war on terror
06:54 <Gursikh> GodTodd: yeah lemme tell you....
06:54 <Lucifer> besides, the one kid I know of that migt actually be muslim needs to get the shit kicked out of him :)
06:54 <GodTodd> war on terror....heh....that's about as effective as the war on drugs
06:55 <Lucifer> (besides my supervisor, who is a very nice lady, but being Indian, few know her actual religion.  I only know it via hearsay, so it could be wrong)
06:55 <Lucifer> hey, lots of bureacrats have made their careers on the war on drugs, so it's been very effective
06:55 <Gursikh> Indian generally means not-muslim
06:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:55 <Lucifer> oh wait, you thought the point was to defeat drugs, but it was really part of reagan's employment plan
06:56 <GodTodd> indians are generally hindu, no?
06:56 <Lucifer> Gursikh: that's true, but muslims are a significant minority in india
06:56 <Gursikh> <---- From India
06:56 <Lucifer> she wears the thing on her head, and I heard she was fasting for the month
06:57 <Lucifer> and apparently she went into some detail about it with the geology teacher that is my sole source of information
06:57 <Gursikh> ah, then she must be muslim >.<
06:57 <Lucifer> see, I don't care (as you might expect), but he seems to be getting a kick out of it.  I guess he's never known a muslim before
06:57 <GodTodd> heh
06:58 <GodTodd> that strikes me as sad
06:58 <Lucifer> the kid I mentioned, though, is bengali, and uses that as the reason my statics class is so hard (because the teacher's Indian)
06:58 <Lucifer> I have a don't ask, don't tell policy about people's religions
06:58 <GodTodd> same
06:58  * Gursikh got lost in Lucifer's previous statement
06:58 <Lucifer> ah, the bengali kid says the bengalis hate indians and indians hate bengalis, that's how it's always been, that's how it always will be
06:59 <Lucifer> indians hate teaching bengalis, etc.
06:59 <Gursikh> oh, meh
06:59 <Lucifer> so he says that the reason he's having such a hard time in the class is because the teacher is indian and doesn't want to teach him
06:59 <Gursikh> He's just retarded most likely
06:59 <Gursikh> well, most assuradly really
06:59 <Lucifer> he's actually a smart guy, he's just got this little racism thing going for no good reason
06:59 <GodTodd> is there a good reason?
06:59 <Lucifer> I told him he's in america now, and we have to love all americans and hate all non-americans, and since he and the teacher are american now...
07:00 <Lucifer> GodTodd: not that I can see.  :)
07:00 <GodTodd> wait...you mean to tell me that non-white people can be racist?
07:00 <GodTodd> fucking liar
07:00 <GodTodd> :)
07:00 <Lucifer> the teacher's one of those really sweet old men, he's like the stereotypical indian engineering teacher who really wants everyone to learn the stuff
07:01 <Lucifer> it'd be different if he were a prick, then the bengali kid might have something, you know?
07:01 <GodTodd> nah...he might have something if he were a prick *only to that student*
07:02 <Lucifer> well, in class I don't see anything
07:02 <Lucifer> but there could be some cultural non-verbal/non-vocal communication going on that i don't understand
07:02 <Lucifer> I doubt it, though.  The teacher's a really nice guy
07:02 <Lucifer> the kid refuses to see him in his office, he's already decided the teacher won't help him
07:02 <Gursikh> noob
07:03 <Lucifer> I think he's wrong, the teacher's help is going to be as good as it is in class, but the teacher's lecturing style is a different discussion :)
07:03 <GodTodd> at least the bengali kid has picked up on the true meaning of americanism....if at first you don't succeed, find the first reason that makes it not your fault and jump on it
07:03 <GodTodd> :)
07:03 <Gursikh> he could totally play the "OMG your from india? I'm from near-there too! LOVE ME!"
07:03 <Gursikh> card
07:03 <Lucifer> he could, heh
07:04 <Lucifer> there's a croatian girl in the physics class I work in, and the teacher's romanian, so she tried to play some racist card too
07:04 <GodTodd> heh
07:04 <Lucifer> but she's apparently either a little smarter than the bengalli kid, or her hatred doesn't run as deep, because she changed her mind quickly
07:05 <Lucifer> I'd never heard of croatians hating romanians, thought it was weird
07:05 <GodTodd> probably a more recent thing
07:05 <Lucifer> so, my wife's step-mother says I don't have any exposure to people from other cultures besides the internet, and I think she's an idiot
07:05 <Lucifer> :)
07:05 <GodTodd> bah...no better place for it than a college campus
07:07 <GodTodd> my physics lab group consists of two white dudes, an african and an oriental dude
07:07 <Lucifer> I wonder what she'll do if she finds out i have to actively fight myself to avoid turning against white people in general ;)
07:07 <GodTodd> :)
07:07 <Gursikh> better to just stop fighting it and see how that goes over >_>
07:07 <Lucifer> just white americans, really
07:07 <GodTodd> no
07:07 <GodTodd> pale skin == bad
07:07 <GodTodd> :D
07:08 <Lucifer> Gursikh: since "white american" historically meant "northern european descent", I'm fairly safe
07:08 <Lucifer> I can claim mediterranean descent and ignore the german quarter that's several generations removed anyway
07:08 <GodTodd> it's because evil is dark colored and so the paler the skin the more the person lets the evil out against society
07:09 <Lucifer> but I'd probably have to kill my wife and kids, and I don't want to do that
07:09 <GodTodd> the darker the skin the more the person is protecting society from innate human evil by keeping it bottled up
07:09 <Lucifer> sure the dark skin isn't just scarring from fighting evil?
07:10 <GodTodd> we could work that in too, sure
07:10 <GodTodd> :)
07:10 <Lucifer> hey, that asian dude that works in the testing center is still there
07:10 <Lucifer> I hadn't seen him since last spring, which now that I think about it isn't that unusual, but i thought he'd quit
07:11 <Lucifer> so i got to chat with hiim a bit today
07:11 <GodTodd> i can prove it too....KKK == evil...Aryan Brotherhood or whatever the fuck they're called == evil
07:11 <GodTodd> see?
07:11 <GodTodd> :D
07:11 <Lucifer> hey, I'm not arguing it :)
07:11 <GodTodd> :)
07:11 <Lucifer> I took my chem test in 20 minutes and he said "You're already finished?"  I said "It's only chemistry"
07:11 <Lucifer> he smiled at me :)
07:12  * Gursikh envisions Lucifer "fluttering" at that smile
07:12 <Lucifer> man, he's old too
07:12 <Lucifer> why are all the nice people at school old, and all hte young people are mean?
07:13 <Lucifer> (and white, mean people are always white for some reason)
07:14 <GodTodd> white, mean people couldn't really be any other color
07:14 <GodTodd> :P
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07:14 <Lucifer> speaking of mean white people, hi MrBougo (hi there!)
07:15 <GodTodd> and we need to bomb belgium next...
07:15 <MrBougo> hello
07:15 <MrBougo> i agree GodTodd
07:15 <GodTodd> kill them and take their stuff
07:15 <Gursikh> GodTodd: sorry, our "countries to be bombed" list is allready reaching capacity, try again in 6 months when we've bombed the next one in the run-up to the election
07:15 <Lucifer> he says that because he knows that half of our bombs will have beer in them
07:15 <Lucifer> part of our humanitarian ideals
07:16 <MrBougo> so belgium will need bomb us, so the damn flemishes and the damn walloons will be FORCED to unite
07:16 <GodTodd> haha
07:16 <MrBougo> err wait
07:16 <MrBougo> what the hell is wrong with me
07:16 <MrBougo> i dont even reember typing this
07:16 <Lucifer> cApiTAliZAtIoN is GoOd
07:16 <GodTodd> we're still working on that
07:16 <MrBougo> i meant "you need to bomb belgium"
07:17 <Lucifer> just say you're buying a nuclear reactor from Russia and the bombs will start production
07:17 <Lucifer> about when they're finished, the President will sweet-talk congress into approving the budget for it
07:17 <GodTodd> Gursikh: is belgium at least on the way to one of the countries high on the list?
07:17 <GodTodd> you know...drop one as we pass by?
07:17 <Lucifer> too bad libya's not on the list anymore
07:18 <Gursikh> GodTodd: dunno the ordering, just know it's full
07:18 <GodTodd> bah
07:18 <Gursikh> GodTodd: i'm sure you can get a sympathetic ear in congress though
07:18 <GodTodd> it's *never* full
07:18 <GodTodd> we're american, dammit
07:18 <Lucifer> yeah, just tell the GOP that they speak Freedom in belgium
07:18 <GodTodd> :)
07:18 <Gursikh> lol
07:19 <GodTodd> bombing people is our whole identity
07:19 <GodTodd> we can't let that go
07:19 <GodTodd> :)
07:19 <Lucifer> yeah, if we quit bombing people, we'd have to actually train our foot soldiers
07:19 <Lucifer> (not showing any air force snobbery, am I?)
07:20 <GodTodd> no...if we quit bombing people we'd have to fix all the shit going down the drain at home
07:20 <Lucifer> we could fix all that shit and bomb people at the same time, the solution's obvious
07:20 <Lucifer> bomb all the blue states
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer> problem goes away when the only people talking about them have been blasted into a bazillion pieces :)
07:22 <GodTodd> i just wonder if all these anti-war protesters realize that we're in too deep for a speedy withdrawal from iraq...otherwise the Dems would be jumping all over it with their "withdrawal initiatives"
07:22 <Lucifer> I think we should stick it out and get new leadership to run it
07:22 <Lucifer> starting from the top, of course
07:22 <Lucifer> election year's coming
07:23 <GodTodd> i don't think we should still be there either, but i'm realistic about the time it'll take to get the hell out of dodge no matter who's in charge
07:23 <Lucifer> if iraq were the only issue coming up, I think I'd pick McCain, to be honest
07:23 <GodTodd> he's too fucking senile for my blood
07:23 <Lucifer> well, I don't think the war is unwinnable in general, just that it's unwinnable by the bush administration
07:23 <Lucifer> well, iraq's not the only issue coming up, and something tells me giulani's going to win the vote
07:23 <GodTodd> nothing is winnable by the bush admin
07:24 <Lucifer> so I'm probably going to cast mine for clinton
07:24 <GodTodd> yeah...i think giuliani will do it
07:24 <GodTodd> i refuse to vote for Billary
07:24 <Lucifer> I made sure my daughter was well aware that giulani wants to make saturday a school day :)
07:24 <Lucifer> she doesn't want him to win either
07:25 <Lucifer> and she likes girls, so she wants hillary to win
07:25 <GodTodd> i'm not a partisan type so i'm not really paying attention yet...i'll form better opinions after the primaries
07:25 <Lucifer> hell, I'd vote for al gore at this point just to keep the GOP out of that fucking office
07:25 <GodTodd> my govt teacher is predicting al to make a run
07:25 <Lucifer> I'm watching both sides
07:25 <Lucifer> this is the year for him to do it
07:26 <GodTodd> if al runs i think he'd win
07:26 <Lucifer> lots of people that might get sucked into voting GOP because they hate hillary might well vote for gore
07:26 <GodTodd> again
07:26 <GodTodd> that is
07:26 <Lucifer> heh
07:26 <Lucifer> but see, after his first term of actually serving, the GOP will point out he can't run for a second term because he already won 2 terms
07:26  * GodTodd is not a fan of the current electoral college system :)
07:27  * Lucifer is not a fan of presidents being appointed by the SCOTUS
07:27 <Gursikh> llol
07:27 <GodTodd> nah...they wouldn't say that because then they'd have to admit that dubya lost
07:27 <Lucifer> they're safe to admit that after he's served his two terms
07:27 <Gursikh> lol
07:28 <GodTodd> and, actually, i think it's that you cannot *serve* more than two terms...you can keep getting elected all you want as long as you turn it down
07:28 <GodTodd> :)
07:29 <Lucifer> eh?  which amendment is it?
07:29 <GodTodd> er...not sure off the top
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07:29 <MrBougo> bomb the sea!
07:30 <Lucifer> No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice
07:30 <Lucifer> 22nd amendment
07:30 <MrBougo> kill these lazy fishes, they dont mind about you
07:30 <Lucifer> MrBougo: that's actually a safe way to use nukes in freeciv
07:30 <MrBougo> aw :(
07:30 <Lucifer> wait, bush can run again since he wasn't elected the first time
07:30 <MrBougo> that 22ns amendment is a good thing
07:30 <MrBougo> wasnt he?
07:30 <Lucifer> no
07:30 <MrBougo> err wtf?
07:31 <Lucifer> elections imply the will of the people was met
07:31 <Lucifer> the people chose al gore, the supreme court chose bush
07:31 <Lucifer> in fact, after the supreme court ruled on the case, al gore asked them to recount their votes
07:32 <GodTodd> nope it is elected...bah
07:32 <MrBougo> hehe pwnt
07:32 <Lucifer> and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once  <--- doesn't this mean bush's second term was also unconstitutional?
07:33 <MrBougo> oh crap
07:33 <MrBougo> :p
07:33 <MrBougo> gtg
07:33 <MrBougo> school
07:33 <GodTodd> nope...because the supreme court determines constitutionality and bush has been able to pack the court
07:33 <GodTodd> :)
07:33 <MrBougo> please, next time... chose a president for the USA, not for the world
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07:37 <Lucifer> http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
07:38 <GodTodd> Al Gore as yet hasn’t “definitively ruled out a bid for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.”
07:39 <GodTodd> californians are pushing currently to get his name on the primary ballot
07:39 <GodTodd> whether he runs or not
07:39 <GodTodd> heh
07:39 <Lucifer> er, that only explains how it works, not discussing the pros and cons
07:40 <GodTodd> the college?
07:41 <Lucifer> yeah
07:48 <GodTodd> ah
08:04 <Lucifer> aha, I figured out what I want
08:04 <Lucifer> I want a fourth branch that consists of 1000 people for every 1 million people in the country that has to vote yay/nay on everything congress does
08:04 <Lucifer> it can't do anything else, just that
08:04 <Lucifer> and only that
08:05 <Lucifer> and you get picked randomly for service, just like jury duty
08:05 <Lucifer> with a little loophole that allows congress to pass a bill whose only purpose is to change the vote of that body to vote yay/nay on something the president does
08:06 <Lucifer> call it the citizen's oversight congress
08:06 <Lucifer> er
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08:31 <Lucifer> yes!  carmack uses linux :)
08:47 <Lucifer> yay, now I have 2 queries out that aren't mutually exclusive.  Hopefully someone will bite :)
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13:08 <kick52> hello, i'm encounting an error whenever i launch the game on my powermac here
13:08 <kick52> it pops off and quits again, here is the error message from the console
13:09 <kick52> Error: Error in int SDL_main(int, char**) in /Users/lee/Desktop/armagetronad- :
13:09 <kick52>  var directory not writable or does not exist. It should reside insie your user data directory and should have been created automatically on first start, but something must have gone wrong. Your user data directory is subdirectory named .armagetronad in your home directordy.
13:09 <kick52> why is it looking in users/lee?
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14:33 <z-man-work> It is not looking in /Users/lee, that's just where the sources were residing when the game was built.
14:34 <z-man-work> I'm not a Mac expert, so sorry if I can
14:34 <z-man-work> 't be really helpful.
14:34  * z-man-work curses the guy who placed the ' right next to the return key, gets me every time
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15:17 <spidey> '''''''''''
15:17  * spidey pokes z-man-work 
15:18  * z-man-work grabs spidey's stick and clobbers him to death with it
15:18 <spidey> :O
15:18 <spidey> but i didn't have a stick!!
15:18 <spidey> i was poking you with luke-jr's limb
15:18 <z-man-work> well, then I rip your arm off and clobber you to death with that.
15:18 <spidey> so cruel :<
15:19 <z-man-work> Let me think about that...
15:19 <z-man-work> NO!
15:19 <z-man-work> Definitely no cuddling.
15:19 <spidey> but why not???? =(
15:20 <z-man-work> it's ghey.
15:20 <spidey> yes, it's about being happy
15:21 <z-man-work> says someone who abuses other peoples' limbs :)
15:21 <spidey> luke-jr's a person?
15:21 <spidey> oh crap
15:22  * spidey offers z-man-work a butterscotch
15:23 <z-man-work> what's that? a snack?
15:23 <spidey> yes, a poisoned...couch...a tastey carmel blob
15:23 <spidey> like a pepperment =p
15:23 <spidey> s/pepperment/peppermint
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17:00 <eddiefantastic> z-man: ignore my ramblings, do what you need to do. Don't know what came over me
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19:09 <kick52> hello, i'm encounting an error whenever i launch the game on my powermac here
19:09 <kick52> it runs and quits
19:10 <kick52> though it works with sudo using the terminal
19:10 <kick52>  /sbe
19:10 <kick52> whoopd
19:10 <kick52> *whoops
19:10 <kick52> ugh
19:10 <kick52> the error is:    var directory not writable or does not exist.
19:11 <P4> hi kick52
19:11 <kick52> hello
19:11 <kick52> any ideas?
19:12 <P4> hmm
19:12 <P4> maybe create /var dir
19:12 <P4> or set +w rights
19:13 <P4> or specify it in as armagetron option
19:22 <xfroggy> +w
19:22 <xfroggy> hmm
19:22 <xfroggy> this font is so koo
19:26 <kick52> P4: where is var?
19:26 <P4> in mac? dunno, probably in /var :P
19:27 <P4> you can specify it in command line
19:27 <kick52> are you sure it is talking about that folder?
19:27 <kick52> i'm pretty sure that exists
19:27 <P4> do you got +w right there?
19:27 <kick52> uh...
19:28 <kick52> chmod /var
19:28 <kick52> whoops
19:28 <P4> you can try to add --vardir /new/var/dir
19:28 <P4> ...to the command line
19:30 <kick52> it says it should of been created on first run, though this is the first time i've run it
19:30 <kick52> anyway i can convince it to do a first run?
19:30 <P4> you should delete some file (firstrun marker... dunno where it is)
19:34 <kick52> hm
19:35 <P4> i would use --vardir switch
19:36  * kick52 just deleted the app support folder
19:37 <kick52> ok, it is working
19:37 <kick52> thanksth
19:38 <P4> you're welcome
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21:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: are you going to the XPC?
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22:22 <Lucifer> http://www.mopo.ca/uploaded_images/windows-vista-vinyl-710669.jpg
22:22 <epsy> O_o
22:29 <Lucifer> I'd pay for that
22:31 <epsy> what would you do with it then ?
22:31 <Lucifer> don't know, I don't have a turntable
22:31 <Lucifer> maybe I'd take a picture of it and post it somewhere
22:32 <epsy> :d
22:32 <epsy> did i told you i just got a new connection
22:33 <Lucifer> no, you didn't told me
22:36 <epsy> heh
22:37 <epsy> now i can pause TV...useful
22:38 <epsy> and it's stupid control looks like a ... game controller
22:38 <epsy> with buttons on the rear etc
22:39 <Lucifer> can you play games with it?
22:39 <epsy> i dunno
22:39 <epsy> it seems not
22:39 <epsy> so seems it stupid to me
22:39 <epsy> well
22:39 <Lucifer> all devices are stupid, it's the way of things
22:40 <epsy> the device runs some linux
22:40 <epsy> i might try someday
22:40 <Lucifer> I wish geek.com would hurry up and tell me they don't take freelance writers so I can query the chronicle
22:40 <epsy> but it looks like it's mostly an HTTP OS which runs the TV
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22:53 <GodTodd> Lucifer: no, i have a physics test this weekend :(
22:54 <Lucifer> awwww
22:54 <Lucifer> might need a photographer :)
22:54 <Lucifer> newsforge bit on an article, but it's not general coverage.  I have a feeling geek.com isn't going to bite, though
22:54 <Lucifer> my dad said he'll do what he can, though, but he's getting old you know
22:55  * Lucifer is kicking himself for not coming up with this sooner
22:55  * Lucifer is being kicked by his wife because she *did* come up with this sooner, and Luci rejected it
22:57 <GodTodd> heh
22:59 <GodTodd> i would love to go, especially with tommy kinda interested in space, but school got in the way, ya know? ;)
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02:15 <GodTodd> L"
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03:39 <Durka_> wtf
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04:56 <Durka_> Lucifer: :D
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05:03 <Lucifer> Durka_: ?
05:05 <Durka_> http://durkas.info/afl/standings.php
05:05 <Durka_> ;)
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06:21 <mkzelda> 90
06:21 <mkzelda> bleh focus under mouse sucks
06:22 <Lucifer> yes, it does
06:22 <Lucifer> now, why the hell can't I do simple integrals anymore?
06:28 <mkzelda> 40
06:28 <mkzelda> bleh
06:29 <mkzelda> there we go, fixed that
06:30 <Lucifer> 78
06:30 <Lucifer> what's with the numbers, anyway?
06:30 <mkzelda> vnc'd into another machine where im typing in scale %'s
06:33 <Lucifer> er, what's the formula for integration by parts?  :(
06:33 <mkzelda> no idea
06:36 <Lucifer> grrr, I give up, I think
06:36 <tramshed> cups = 0, tramshed = 1
06:36 <tramshed> yeah cups, thats right, I beat you.
06:39 <Lucifer> $$\frac{\left| a\right| \,asinh\left( \frac{2\,\left| a\right| \,x}{{a}^{2}}\right) }{4}+\frac{x\,\sqrt{\frac{4\,{x}^{2}}{{a}^{2}}+1}}{2}$$
06:39 <Lucifer> eek, that's a little hard to read
06:42 <Lucifer> arc length 1, lucifer 0
06:42 <Lucifer> that's right lucifer, you got beat by arc length
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15:07 <freako> Is somebody online, that can me help Solve a problem in one of my maps that I made?
15:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can
15:07 <freako> :D
15:08 <freako> im making a new kind of sumo based on quargs idead
15:08 <freako> only im gettings stuck on the spawns everytime, i already tried  4 times
15:09 <wrtlprnft> which idea is that?
15:10 <freako> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=17940
15:10 <freako> but the map doesnt spilt the players correct
15:10 <freako> it puts 4 players in zone 1 and 1 player in zone 2 while it needs to be 3/2
15:11 <wrtlprnft> you can't make a map that works exactly like this with zonesv1
15:11 <freako> It is based on -_-
15:11 <wrtlprnft> well, what exactly do you want to do, then?
15:11 <freako> only i need the spawns to work like a normal sumo, but they dont,
15:12 <wrtlprnft> can i see the map?
15:12 <freako> erh,,,, where can i upload?
15:12 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca
15:15 <freako> Ill upload it in couple of minutes, or else you cant see it working till now
15:20 <freako> ok. uploaded, everything in the map goes 1,33x when finished, it isnt going about the coding, it eventually goes about the idea of the map,
15:20 <freako> i cant get the split in the spawns right/ the link http://pastebin.ca/747910
15:22 <wrtlprnft> <Zone effect="fowth="-0.4"> 
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> fortress" growth=?
15:23 <freako> is the shrinking/growing of the fort
15:23 <wrtlprnft> there's a couple of missing bytes there
15:23 <freako> oh
15:23 <wrtlprnft> i think i'm missing the middle half of the file
15:24 <freako> lol, that sux
15:25 <wrtlprnft> nvm, got it
15:25 <freako> ok
15:25 <freako> the map is still almost the same, it will change if i get the spawning correct
15:26 <wrtlprnft> where do you want the spawn points to be? right now there's 4 in the centre zone and 4 in the northmost zone
15:26 <freako> i know i was making them once again till i found out they still werent working :(
15:27 <freako> in total the sumo can allow 20 players if all spawns are in it
15:27 <freako> a sixth zone will come later
15:30 <freako> only the spawns will be changed a little bit , they go 0.8x or 0.9x
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #math calc (280 - 155.224)
15:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 124.776
15:31 <wrtlprnft> #math calc -280 - (280 - 155.224)
15:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: -404.776
15:32 <freako> can also read the ZONE points do them (+20/-30)(+20/+30)(-20/-30)(-20/+30)
15:33 <wrtlprnft> too lazy to scroll back and forth ;)
15:33 <freako> :P
15:33 <freako> thats the way, Armaplayers do it :D
15:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/5sumo.aamap.xml
15:34 <wrtlprnft> like that?
15:34 <freako> brb test it :P
15:34 <wrtlprnft> should work if you set FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM 1
15:37 <freako> mmmm..... brb need to let it work i hope
15:37 <freako> erh think
15:37 <wrtlprnft> brb shower
15:46 <freako> oh it works now, lets see
15:48 <freako> mmmm.... lies this on the bots or? is it still not splitting correctoly?
15:49 <freako> oh, seems at lies at the bots :P
15:52 <freako> now my other, prob the map is downloaded but the pc wont show it ? :(
15:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:53 <freako> I played the map, i only cant find it at my pC?
15:53 <freako> nowhere to be found
15:55 <freako> where is standard map save of 0.3? its not at resource??!?!@
15:55 <wrtlprnft> if it's a windoze box it's in documents and settings/application data/armagetronad/resource/automatic
15:55 <wrtlprnft> err
15:55 <wrtlprnft> documents and settings/<username>/application data/armagetronad/resource/automatic
15:55 <freako> mmmm......
15:56 <freako> application data, cant find it?
15:56 <freako> other langauge pc here
15:56 <wrtlprnft> it's hidden by default
15:57 <freako> :D
15:57 <wrtlprnft> *insert rant about hidden files in windows here*
15:58 <freako> hehe i found it "{
15:58 <freako> they work now Thank You, You ArmaGod!!!
15:58 <freako> :D
15:58 <wrtlprnft> yw
15:58 <freako> mmmm...... lets change the map a bit Mahuahau!!!!
15:59 <freako> my brother trying to make an new zone system, V2 seems not working at his pc
15:59 <freako> or better, not working properly
15:59 <wrtlprnft> that would be the 4th one
15:59 <freako> ?
16:00 <wrtlprnft> the 4th zone system
16:00 <freako> LOL!
16:02 <freako> hes now trying to assign an death zone to players, when it gets under a minimum of players it dissaapears, but hes knows more bout it then me
16:03 <freako> but i cant wait, it takes so long -_-:
16:06 <epsy> #sd freako
16:06 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “freako” at the moment, sorry.
16:07 <freako> hey!
16:07 <freako> cepsy!!!!
16:07 <freako> lol y would i call my server freako ?
16:09 <epsy> dunno, i asked you thrice about how it was called
16:09 <epsy> all you answered was « freako!! »
16:09 <freako> lol?
16:09 <epsy> lol
16:09 <freako> epsy you forgot my router blocks all :(
16:09 <epsy> ah
16:09 <freako> still making it :P
16:09 <epsy> did i mention i have a new router ?
16:10 <freako> no?
16:10 <epsy> along with a new adsl modem
16:10 <freako> w00t!
16:10 <epsy> 19 MB down/s :d
16:10 <freako> you know how V2 works>?
16:10 <freako> cLO!LOLOL!O!L!O!O!LO!L!
16:10 <epsy> what do you mean with « how it works ? »
16:10 <epsy> if you mean, how the code works...none really know
16:11 <freako> Zones V2? i cant get it implemented in the map :(
16:11 <epsy> welcome in arma :)
16:11 <epsy> ah
16:11 <epsy> 2/ what are you wanting to do ?
16:11 <epsy> *1
16:11 <freako> <freako> hes now trying to assign an death zone to players, when it gets under a minimum of players it dissaapears,
16:11 <epsy> 2/ how can't you « implement » it ?
16:11 <epsy> ah
16:12 <freako> how can i get it to work>? zones V2?
16:12 <epsy> the first thing which come to my mind
16:12 <epsy> is the ct staff
16:12 <epsy> bcause i have no clue about zones V2
16:12 <freako> :(
16:12 <epsy> either code-side
16:12 <epsy> or map side
16:13 <freako> damned
16:14 <freako> i read those parts about zones V2 100x but it isnt working, i need it till my brother finishes his own zone system
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16:20 <epsy> http://durkas.info/afl/standings.php ... wtf are MW, ML, PS, PA and +/- ???
16:20 <freako> stand under it , but it still is shit
16:29 <epsy> freako, café ?
16:32 <freako> k?
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19:02 <freako> #lastseen epsy
19:02 <armabot> freako: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 hour 59 minutes ago.
19:09 <freako> #lastseen epsy
19:09 <armabot> freako: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 7 minutes ago.
19:15 <freako> hoop?
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19:16 <freako> hoop!
19:16 <freako> youre there?
19:16 <hoop_tron> :P
19:16 <freako> how do i accept?
19:16 <hoop_tron> click on XD
19:17 <freako> :D
19:17 <freako> chere or there?
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19:36 <freako> hoop you there? pc went crazy when i tryed AAZone
19:37 <hoop_tron> hey
19:37 <hoop_tron> #serverinfo hoop
19:37 <armabot> hoop_tron: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “hoop” at the moment, sorry.
19:38 <freako> is your server not working? maybe no ports forwareded?
19:38 <freako> im trying to find it out, im close i think
19:38 <hoop_tron> wait a sec
19:39 <hoop_tron> u should find it now
19:39 <freako> #sd hoop
19:39 <armabot> freako: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “hoop” at the moment, sorry.
19:50 <freako> hoopsala!
20:04 <freako> #lastseen epsy
20:04 <armabot> freako: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 hours 2 minutes ago.
20:04 <epsy> whatever
20:05 <freako> epsy!!!!
20:05 <freako> i was searching you!
20:08 <freako> #lastseen epsy
20:08 <armabot> freako: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 hours 6 minutes ago.
20:08 <epsy> WHATEVER
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20:09 <freako> ???
20:09 <epsy> why do you want me, freako ?
20:09 <freako> #sd hoop
20:09 <armabot> freako: -Hoop Wild Troned- WEIRD TEAM PLAY: No online players.
20:10 <epsy> watching a film lol
20:12 <freako> lol
20:12 <freako> :P if you have time come top hoop server k
20:23 <luke-jr> …
20:23 <freako> Hi luke-jr
20:23 <luke-jr> wtf r u
20:23 <luke-jr> hoop server sux :D
20:24 <freako> were testing luke
20:24 <luke-jr> :þ
20:24 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ☺
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20:24 <freako> oops
20:24 <hoop_tron> XD
20:24 <freako> c:D
20:24 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ☺
20:25 <freako> luke jr !!!
20:25 <luke-jr> frea ko ‼!
20:25 <freako> luke---- JR!!!!
20:25 <freako> :P
20:25 <luke-jr> freaaaaaa KO‼‼
20:25 <freako> LUke JR!!!
20:26 <luke-jr> FRea KO‼!
20:26 <freako> LUKE JR!!!!
20:26 <luke-jr> FREA KO‼‼
20:26 <freako> i actually need to make an map and finish it, But this is more fun :P
20:27 <freako> LUKESJR!!!
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20:56 <freako> #lastseen epsy
20:56 <armabot> freako: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 hours 54 minutes ago.
20:58 <epsy>  ...
21:00 <freako> epsy!!!
21:00 <freako> come to TD server!!
21:00 <epsy> #afl.td
21:00 <epsy> #sd TD
21:00 <armabot> epsy: TD TEST SERVER: No online players.
21:00 <epsy> #sd tronic
21:00 <armabot> epsy: The Tronic Donkeys AFL Server: Players (2/16): hoop, °¯freako
21:01 <epsy> can't i watch a film without turning off any communication medium ?
21:03 <freako> No?
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21:26 <freako> #lastseen durka
21:27 <armabot> freako: durka durka dur has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ 18 hours 3 minutes ago.
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21:36 <freako> #lastseen rka
21:36 <armabot> freako: durka durka dur has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ 18 hours 13 minutes ago.
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21:54 <freako> #lastseen durka
21:54 <armabot> freako: durka durka dur has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬ 18 hours 30 minutes ago.
22:03 <hoop_tron> #lastseen -f durka
22:04 <armabot> hoop_tron: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 2 hours 12 minutes ago.
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22:29 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
22:29 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 2 hours 37 minutes ago.
22:29 <epsy> freako is freak
22:29 <freako> epsy!!!!
22:29 <freako> cfinished now?
22:29 <epsy> yes
22:30 <freako> ci ahve something to show you
22:30 <freako> you know Sumo Alternate ending?
22:30 <epsy> no
22:30 <freako> damned
22:30 <epsy> freako, durkadurkamj@gmail.com
22:30 <freako> ci hoped you would
22:30 <freako> i know he made it :P
22:31 <freako> come to TD server?
22:31 <epsy> wait
22:31 <freako> k
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22:42 <Lucifer> er, in moments of force, clockwise is negative, right?
22:52 <epsy> yes
22:52 <epsy> err
22:52  * epsy stfu
22:52 <epsy> g2g, see you
23:02 <Lucifer> looks like it's positive
23:02 <Lucifer> because I'd get the wrong answer if it was negative :)
23:02 <freako> clockwise cant be negative ?!
23:03 <freako> or i just dont know the good translation for clockwise :P
23:04 <Lucifer> clockwise is to the right, from the top of the circle
23:04 <Lucifer> the directions the numbers count on the clock is clockwise :)
23:04 <freako> Oh was thinking to something else :P
23:04 <freako> it is possible but less likely
23:05  * freako loves strange questions
23:05 <Lucifer> heh, it's not that strange.  I had to do sum of moments = 0, and the problem gave a moment as a constant that I had to put in that equation
23:05 <Lucifer> and I needed to know it's sign :)
23:05 <freako> :)
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23:06 <Lucifer> where the hell is my wife/
23:06 <Lucifer> ?
23:06  * freako likes more physiscs question, like how to go faster as the speed of light
23:06 <freako> cidk were your wife is? in bed?
23:06 <Lucifer> she's not working today, and she was going to pick up the kids after school, and she didn't
23:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer: she's in my bed
23:07 <freako> :D
23:07 <freako> who isnt in lukes bed
23:07 <Lucifer> heh, not likely.  You couldn't score with a hot chick if she were the last one left on earth :)
23:07 <luke-jr> you mean if I were the last one, idiot
23:08 <freako> you wouldnt, we would kill you before :)
23:09 <freako> so she doesnt need to suffer
23:09 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
23:09 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 3 hours 18 minutes ago.
23:16 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
23:16 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 3 hours 24 minutes ago.
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23:23 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
23:23 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 day 3 hours 32 minutes ago.
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01:44 <P4> wrtlprnft: is there any -f switch in #lastseen?
01:44 <P4> oh, he's sleepin
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04:01 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you're not a hot chick, you idiot
04:01 <Lucifer> I meant if you were the last man on earth
04:13 <luke-jr> exactly my point, you idiot
04:13 <luke-jr> you said if she was the last one
04:20 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
04:29 <Lucifer> you missed the point, I did screw it up, but you didn't fix it when you said "not if I were the last one"
04:29 <Lucifer> one, in that context, refers to "hot chick", and you're anything but a hot chick
04:33 <Lucifer> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-chimoon25oct25,1,5477738.story?coll=la-headlines-world  <--- video of China's moon probe launch
05:07 -!- UnnamedPlayer is now known as Khalsa
05:40 <Lucifer> would you like some chips and khalsa?
05:43  * GodTodd would like these friggen files to finish copying
05:50 <GodTodd> 27.5 GB over the wireless is taking forever
05:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer: had any major issues yet with upgrading to gutsy?
05:52 <Lucifer> GodTodd: no, it went very smoothly
05:52 <GodTodd> k
05:52 <Lucifer> so smoothly that I'm going to do the desktop tomorrow, probably
05:52 <GodTodd> i might upgrade this lappy in the next couple days then
05:53 <GodTodd> it went smoothly on the kitchen machine...i just have to remember how i set up sharing before :)
05:53 <Lucifer> it also configured my wireless very easily, which was very nice, and I don't think it's using ndiswrappers anymore
05:53 <GodTodd> nice
05:53 <Lucifer> still hasn't successfully configured my 3d chipset yet
05:54 <GodTodd> i'ma have a different ati card in my new/old laptop...wonder if the 3d for it will work
05:54 <Lucifer> problem is, there's a specific modeline argument that's not there that apparently only applies to a very small number of presarios, and I have to figure out what it is again
05:54 <GodTodd> radeon 300 or some such
05:55 <Lucifer> beats me, ati has been on-again off-again for supporting free drivers
05:55 <GodTodd> i know
05:55 <Lucifer> and free drivers are the only ones that ever really work :)
05:55 <GodTodd> yep
05:55 <Lucifer> I need to dig up a cable to hook up my laptop to my car's cd player for the weekend
05:56 <Lucifer> I'll be damned if I'm going to drive to alamogordo without music!
05:56 <GodTodd> i'll be upgrading and clearing this laptop once karen gets her cd from work
05:56 <Lucifer> my wife needs the alarm clock, so I can't take that one
05:56 <Lucifer> her cd?
05:56 <GodTodd> tommy doesn't need 75% or more of the shit i have installed
05:56 <GodTodd> yeah...the work-from-home software
05:56 <Lucifer> ah, right
05:57 <Lucifer> they have linux versions of that shit yet?  ;)
05:57 <GodTodd> i'm hoping that it runs under wine or i can get the settings and just use native vnc stuff
05:57 <Lucifer> rdesktop :)
05:57 <Lucifer> get a slow-as-dirt hand-me-down and toss winxp on it
05:58 <Lucifer> I hear you can make it take remote users with their terminal services protocol, just one at a time on the personal edition
05:58 <Lucifer> rdesktop should support connecting to that
05:58 <GodTodd> i want to be able to show her definitively that whatever you can do on winders you can do better, faster, and more rockingly on linux ;)
05:58 <Lucifer> there's a virtual machine that z-man dug up awhile ago that might work too
05:58 <Lucifer> heh, that's true :)
05:59 <GodTodd> heh...my server upstairs runs winxp
05:59 <GodTodd> i could install it there and have her rdesktop to that
05:59 <GodTodd> :)
06:00 <Lucifer> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/
06:00 <GodTodd> that and i hope to see if her version of money runs under wine
06:00 <Lucifer> hell, you can even test it with what you've got and make sure it works :)
06:00 <Lucifer> if it's old enough, it might
06:00 <GodTodd> it's 2001 i think
06:01 <GodTodd> i bet it will
06:01 <Khalsa> Lucifer: har har har
06:02 <GodTodd> i think she was actually impressed that i could even get her ie
06:02 <GodTodd> :)
06:03 <Lucifer> xen isn't what I was looking for, it requires OSes to be ported to run under it :(
06:03 <GodTodd> bah
06:03 <GodTodd> i would prefer something more or less transparent
06:03 <GodTodd> transluscent at least ;)
06:04 <Lucifer> they have an experimental mode that might work, but it's not the one z-man linked awhile back
06:04 <Lucifer> damn, where's z-man when you need him?
06:05 <Lucifer> z-man-work: ping
06:05 <GodTodd> heh
06:05 <GodTodd> isn't it like 5am there?
06:06  * GodTodd actually used xcopy today
06:24 <Lucifer> man, I want to write a pygame-based text adventure game with cool sound effects and shit
06:26 <Lucifer> aha, found it
06:26 <Lucifer> VirtualBox
06:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i was thinking that
06:26 <GodTodd> didn't know that's what you were looking for ;)
06:27 <Lucifer> looks like there's packages for it, too
06:27 <GodTodd> from what i read, you can install an entire winders in virtual box
06:27 <Lucifer> sorry, I'm still stuck in the VMWare is $350 frame of mind
06:28 <Lucifer> version 1.5
06:29  * GodTodd just can't wait to get linux on his new/old laptop
06:29 <Lucifer> er, that version 1.5 is the version of VirtualBox that gusty has
06:30 <GodTodd> 3x clock speed, 50GB more memory and double the ram....i'll be in what xtians might call heaven ;)
06:30 <GodTodd> 50GB more hdd that is
06:32 <Lucifer> I hate it when people don't provide an html version of their user manual
06:32 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
06:38 <Lucifer> aha, my forum search did turn up z-man's post, I just mistakenly thought it was in a new thread and it was actually in the buildbot thread
06:39 <Khalsa> all manuals should be in man-page or latex form
06:40  * GodTodd wonders if you get more documents when latex breaks...
06:41  * Lucifer wonders if traditional catholics would read a bible formatted in latex
06:41 <Lucifer> Khalsa: fine, have them that way, but give me an html version too
06:42  * GodTodd wonders if latex could be thought of as thought control
06:42 <Khalsa> latex -> html is simple and easy
06:42 <Lucifer> not when I want to read it online from somebody's website without downloading shit and doing shit
06:42 <Lucifer> I preview how software works by reading the documentation, and I don't want to have to download and unzip your source tarball and do a bunch of shit to get an html manual
06:43 <Lucifer> put it on a website in html format and let me read it, if it's as easy as you say
06:43 <Khalsa> we are!
06:43 <Lucifer> the virtualbox people aren't
06:44  * Lucifer got Toxic Shock Syndrome when he used latex last
06:45 <GodTodd> well...that's what you get for using the same session over and over
06:45 <Lucifer> now I use txt2tags, aka lubricated latex
06:46 <GodTodd> goddamn...i have way too many things i want to get done
06:46 <GodTodd> wonder if my legislative bill to go to the 100 hour day has come up for debate yet
06:46 <Lucifer> ?
06:47 <Lucifer> did you actually submit a bill to the legislature asking for a 100 hour day?
06:47 <GodTodd> just ranting :)
06:47 <Lucifer> ah, er, duh
06:47 <GodTodd> no...but sometimes it seems like a good idea :)
06:47 <Lucifer> ignore that last one
06:47 <Lucifer> we should see if we can get them to redefine e as 2.0
06:47 <GodTodd> i want them to redefine Pi to "3ish"
06:47 <Lucifer> they'd probably see right through the pi scam
06:48 <Lucifer> hey, e = pi for large values of e and small values of pi
06:48 <GodTodd> just like 2+2=5
06:48 <GodTodd> for large values of 2
06:49 <Khalsa> 1=0
06:49 <GodTodd> there are 10 types of people in this world
06:49 <Lucifer> they should pass a law making the values of e and pi both 2.9, to reduce the number of constants we have to know
06:49 <Khalsa> me and you
06:49 <GodTodd> those who understand binary and those who don't
06:50 <GodTodd> 7 out of 5 people suffer from math illiteracy
06:50 <Lucifer> well, 6 out of 5 people think this sentence contains a ratio
06:50 <GodTodd> the box said to install windows 98 or better so i installed linux
06:51 <Lucifer> and when it didn't run you asked for a refund?
06:51 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <Lucifer> hey, xprizecup this weekend :)
06:51 <GodTodd> friends don't let friends run windows
06:51  * Lucifer is considering querying the chronicle now, since geek.com hasn't responded and he doesn't think they will
06:52  * GodTodd might try to catch the webcast...i'm assuming they're doing that again this year.
06:59 <Lucifer> I went looking to post a link but didn't find one
06:59 <Lucifer> anybody know any good online trip planners that have up-to-date construction/toll road information?
07:02 <Lucifer> US-290 W becomes US-290 W.  <--- no shit?
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07:06 <Lucifer> not using yahoo's trip planner, they're trying to put me on a toll road
07:07 <GodTodd> i think these are the people that did it last year (the webcast): http://www.space.com/xprizecup/
07:11 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: yeah, there is, it makes the search match only the exact nick
07:11 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: you need to prefix it
07:13 <Lucifer> http://nmroads.com/   <--- awesome site
07:14 <Lucifer> ok, so it's basically "drive the same route, there's nothing going on on it"
07:14 <Lucifer> probably shouldn't speed, and need to make sure my insurance card is up to date
07:16 <GodTodd> you go the south route, right?
07:16 <Lucifer> yeah, that looks like the same people, and it looks like they're covering it again
07:16 <Lucifer> yeah, we go i10
07:16 <Lucifer> it adds 3 hours to go through D/FW :)
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:17 <GodTodd> takes us around 12 hours to get to alamo
07:18 <Lucifer> 25.883mpg
07:18 <Lucifer> it's, er, I closed mapquest, hang on
07:18 <Khalsa> where you going?
07:18 <Lucifer> 678.75 miles
07:19 <Lucifer> Khalsa: xprizecup
07:19 <Lucifer> pay attention!  :)
07:19 <GodTodd> tho that figure could be a little off...the time zone change always messes with my head
07:19 <Khalsa> freaking nerds
07:19 <Lucifer> I did Austin to Fort Stockton in 3 hours one time
07:19  * Khalsa goes off to bed
07:19 <GodTodd> not nerds
07:19 <GodTodd> geeks
07:19 <Lucifer> got a ticket on the way
07:19 <GodTodd> :P
07:19 <Lucifer> not geeks, space enthusiasts
07:19 <Khalsa> freaking nerds
07:19 <GodTodd> yep
07:19 <GodTodd> geeks
07:19 <Lucifer> don't make me use a random racial slur on you!
07:20  * Khalsa resists the urge to set a trigger to say "freaking nerds" everytime you say geeks
07:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer: like hackey?
07:20 <Lucifer> er, this chatter has made the numbers I was trying to note scroll out of view
07:20 <GodTodd> :)
07:20 <GodTodd> 25.883 mpg
07:20 <Khalsa> 3ish
07:20 <GodTodd> 678.75 mi
07:21 <Lucifer> #math calc 678.75/25.883
07:21 <armabot> Lucifer: 26.2237762238
07:21 <Lucifer> 26 gallons of gas?
07:21 <Lucifer> that's not bad
07:21  * Lucifer wonders how big his tank is
07:21 <GodTodd> halfpoint fill?
07:21 <Khalsa> google it!
07:21 <Lucifer> mapquest doesn't have a gas stop planner, apparently
07:21 <GodTodd> we always fill halfway there
07:22 <Lucifer> ah, we always stop in fort stockton
07:22 <GodTodd> in post or brownfield
07:22 <GodTodd> whichever we decide at the time
07:22 <GodTodd> they're an hour apart
07:23 <GodTodd> do you end up going up through The Pass?
07:25 <Lucifer> oh fuck it, I'll go on my last fill up
07:26 <Lucifer> 12.38 miles
07:26 <Lucifer> er
07:26 <Lucifer> 12.38 gallons
07:26 <Lucifer> no, we wind up going through el paso
07:26 <GodTodd> that's what i said :P
07:26 <Lucifer> although, now that I say that, I wonder if you meant that, and I thought you meant cloudcroft :)
07:27 <GodTodd> nah...*we* go through cloudcroft
07:27 <Lucifer> I think the distance from d/fw to the i10/i20 junction is the same as the distance from austin
07:27 <Lucifer> you guys drive slow, then
07:27 <Lucifer> I did that drive in 9 hours awhile back
07:28 <Lucifer> so yeah, we go through el shitso
07:28 <Lucifer> heh
07:28 <GodTodd> no...we have a 9 year old and (last time we drove it) a 10 month old
07:28 <Lucifer> I need to make an alternate route that goes through cloudcroft
07:28 <Lucifer> ah, 10 month olds can make a short trip into a long one :)
07:28 <GodTodd> yep
07:28 <Lucifer> I need a better trip planner than this mapquest bullshit
07:29 <GodTodd> and we stop for lunch or whatever when we stop for gas
07:29 <Lucifer> for some reason I'm really concerned about gas stops, even though I know if I make it to fort stockton, I'm fine
07:29 <GodTodd> so that adds time
07:29 <Lucifer> true dat
07:29 <Lucifer> I'm planning on going straight through without stopping
07:29 <Lucifer> conservation of energy, you know
07:29 <GodTodd> yeah
07:29 <Lucifer> more seriously, I don't want to stop any longer than necessary at any place
07:29 <GodTodd> my back kills me after a few hours tho
07:30 <Lucifer> heh, you should've seen me when I drove my truck down here :)
07:30 <Lucifer> when I got here, I was literally walking bent over
07:30 <GodTodd> i bet
07:30 <Lucifer> that sucked a lot, but the drive was a lot of fun
07:30 <Lucifer> but man, I don't think there's a single springy spring left in the seat of that truck
07:30 <GodTodd> i love the travelling...it's the hurt back and numb butt i hate
07:30 <Lucifer> it's like driving on a plywood chair, 16 hours a day (sometimes more, sometimes less)
07:31 <Lucifer> I kind of enjoy all those stupid little pains I get on a long drive
07:31 <Lucifer> kind of masochistic I guess
07:31 <GodTodd> masochist
07:31 <GodTodd> :P
07:31 <Lucifer> the drive with the truck was thoroughly satisfying in that regard
07:32 <Lucifer> it was a challenging drive, though.  :)
07:32 <Lucifer> I had to stop every hour for gas, and in Wyoming that gas stop included a distributor adjustment, and sometimes a carb adjustment
07:32 <GodTodd> should have been ok as long as you steered clear of any part of kansas
07:32 <Lucifer> went right through kansas
07:32 <GodTodd> then the drive sucke
07:32 <Lucifer> stopped in Salina and saw my bro
07:32 <GodTodd> d
07:32 <Lucifer> kansas isn't that bad
07:33 <GodTodd> kansas sucks
07:33 <Lucifer> I was stuck in it for 6 hours though 'cause I chatted with my bro for 3
07:33 <Lucifer> but he fed me fried chicken, I couldn't resist!
07:33 <GodTodd> he's in salina?
07:33 <GodTodd> wtf is in salina?
07:33 <Lucifer> after 4 years of eating what passes for fried chicken in seattle, even that shit they make in kansas tasted good
07:33 <Lucifer> no, he lives in milton, he works in salina
07:34 <Lucifer> salina is northwest of wichita
07:34 <GodTodd> all salina ever was to me was a sleep/eat stop
07:34 <Lucifer> so I only had to take a small piece of the toll road
07:34 <GodTodd> bene there many times :P
07:34 <GodTodd> been*
07:34 <GodTodd> we used to drive alamo-omaha about every summer
07:34 <Lucifer> driving through oklahoma is shitty, though
07:35 <Lucifer> I'd have preferred to go down through new mexico, at least new mexico has nice scenery
07:35 <Lucifer> oklahoma is like "Oh, a hill.  Oh, a cactus.  Oh, a trailer."
07:35 <GodTodd> oklahoma has cops that *love* to do radar duty
07:36 <Lucifer> so does west texas :(
07:36 <Lucifer> otherwise, i'd gladly take this drive as fast as my car will go
07:36 <GodTodd> we drive through a bit of oklahoma when we go to arkansas
07:36 <Lucifer> there's nothing dangerous about driving on I-10 at 100mph or higher
07:36 <GodTodd> maybe southwest texas
07:36 <GodTodd> northwest texas doesn't have many cops
07:36 <GodTodd> not on the highways at least
07:37 <Lucifer> there's a few places you should slow down, but most of the highway is straight and relatively flat
07:37 <GodTodd> not many towns either
07:37 <Lucifer> well, I-10 is a major trucking route, so there's lots of money in tickets
07:37 <GodTodd> i still want to know htf everyone in Throckmorton has such huge houses
07:37 <Lucifer> in fact, that's most of the traffic on I-10 between san antone and el paso
07:38 <GodTodd> texas has silly town names
07:38 <Lucifer> er, damn, I lost my gas tank size and the other stuff
07:38 <GodTodd> i love it :)
07:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 26.2237762238/12.38
07:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 2.11823717478
07:38 <Lucifer> so I'll need to fill up twice on the drive, it looks like
07:38 <Lucifer> that second fill up will be el paso
07:39 <Lucifer> first will be fort stockton, I guess
07:39 <Lucifer> I better find a better trip planner than this
07:39 <GodTodd> we drive a jap car...one fill does us ;)
07:39 <Lucifer> armabot is a good bot, but she's a shitty trip planner
07:39 <Lucifer> mine's a jap car too, it's just old :)
07:39 <GodTodd> 3-400 miles on a tank
07:41  * GodTodd knows when we get to the nm border on our trips...you can smell that fucking refinery for a hunnerd miles
07:41 <GodTodd> in artesia i think it is
07:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
07:43 <GodTodd> was ham the chimp born in alamo?
07:43 <GodTodd> i don't think so
07:44 <GodTodd> he's buried there...
07:48 <GodTodd> # El Paso International Airport in neighboring El Paso, Texas
07:48 <GodTodd> heh..."neighboring"
07:50 <Lucifer> dammit, doesn't anybody have a trip planner that lets me put in mpg and generates gas stops?
07:51 <GodTodd> holy fuck...i found what has got to be the most boring site on the web
07:51 <GodTodd> www.alamogordonow.com
07:52 <GodTodd> they have a webcam of 1st street
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08:01 <Lucifer> ok, I give up looking, I'll have to call it by ear
08:01 <Lucifer> better make sure to pack a gas can, gas stations in west texas are few and far between
08:02 <Lucifer> so, what's good to take on a trip with kids?
08:02 <Lucifer> food, that is
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08:29 <Lucifer> damn
08:29 <Lucifer> 3 kids means 3 emails to teachers to tell them I'm taking them out of town on school days
08:31 <GodTodd> heh
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08:48 <Lucifer> I see GodTodd finished his gusty upgrade
08:48 <GodTodd> nope...haven't even started on here
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09:04 <z-man> I upgraded to gutsy, but that stupid update progam still tells me every time that there is a new version available :(
09:05 <z-man> gusty, I mean :)
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09:05 <GodTodd> z-man: you were right the first time :)
09:06 <z-man> Oh, ok.
09:06 <z-man> Those stupid code names annoy me.
09:06 <freako> Z-man can I ask you a question?
09:06 <z-man> How are you supposed to know which of two versions is more recent?
09:06 <z-man> freako: you already did :)
09:06 <freako> yeah, one more :P
09:07 <z-man> go ahead.
09:07 <GodTodd> z-man: later in the alphabet is newer
09:07 <GodTodd> gutsy is after feisty is after edgy is after dapper...etc
09:07  * z-man probably should have known that
09:08 <freako> Can you remember SUMO ALTERNATE ENDING server?? Was a server some time ago,when you sumo normally, the last players keeps his zone and could Fort against nthe other winners
09:08 <z-man> No, never seen that server.
09:08 <freako> but how does it work, its not working and i tried everything except hacking till now
09:08 <freako> It was a server, if theres a hack it needs to be somewhere
09:09 <z-man> It probably was hacked. I would not know how to do such a thing with a stock arma.
09:09 <z-man> maybe one of luke's evil experiments?
09:09 <freako> Could be, but i thought Durka or manta made it, but trying to reach them but dont get respond :(
09:11 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
09:11 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on  Wild West  =Team Sumo= 5 hours 12 minutes ago.
09:11 <freako> #lastseen manta
09:11 <armabot> freako: °¯Manta has last been seen on  Wild West  =Wild Fortress= 22 hours 48 minutes ago.
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09:46 <freako> lol luci
09:59 <spidey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=887&num=1
10:10 <eddiefantastic> freako: you here?
10:11 <freako> yeh
10:12 <freako> Y?
10:12 <eddiefantastic> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?t=1670
10:12 <eddiefantastic> have a read through that
10:12 <eddiefantastic> look at crazy-tronners.com/wiki
10:12 <freako> kk
10:12 <eddiefantastic> if you want a copy of the hacked server, let me know
10:12 <eddiefantastic> it only comes in source form
10:13 <freako> :D, its based on his system but its different
10:13 <freako> cto
10:13 <freako> but it isnt succeeding, i cant get arma hacked :(
10:13 <eddiefantastic> explain what you want exactly?
10:13 <eddiefantastic> we've already hacked it
10:13 <eddiefantastic> I'm sure it'll do what you want
10:13 <eddiefantastic> from the little I've rad anyway
10:14 <freako> how can i get that and use it?
10:14 <eddiefantastic> *read
10:14 <eddiefantastic> what os are you using to host the server?
10:14 <freako> I need Sumo that is normal except the winners of their respective zones and they can play fort with thier non collapsing zones
10:14 <freako> uhm.... windows and linux
10:15 <freako> windows here, and the other pc is linux
10:15 <eddiefantastic> it'll be the source code so you can compile it under linux
10:15 <eddiefantastic> windows, you're on your own
10:15 <freako> :(
10:15 <eddiefantastic> play fort with their non collapsing zones?
10:15 <eddiefantastic> what does that mean?
10:16 <freako> There are 5 Sumo Places with each 4 players// Every zone 1 player survives- His zone doesnt collapse and he can play fort against the other winners for more points
10:16 <freako> i have an map for it up now
10:18 <eddiefantastic> so you want the zones to grow back to their original size, or still shrink?
10:19 <freako> They need to stay as big as when they killed all, or grow back, what should be better
10:19 <freako> nice idea to with the zone going to the center
10:20 <eddiefantastic> the growth rate is set in the map, not by the servers
10:20 <freako> i know
10:20 <eddiefantastic> so unhacked that couldn't be altered
10:20 <freako> Your idea sound like an CT mayhem map :P
10:21 <eddiefantastic> my idea?
10:21 <freako> or eds idea
10:21 <eddiefantastic> I was trying to guess yours
10:21 <eddiefantastic> <--ed
10:21 <freako> :D
10:21 <freako> yeah rad your post?
10:21 <eddiefantastic> that was quargs idea
10:21 <freako> 4x2 sumo and then the zones go to the middle were they other 4 can sumo it out
10:21 <eddiefantastic> I thought that was his
10:22 <freako> oh lol :P
10:22 <freako> could be 2
10:22 <eddiefantastic> I was merely giving him a solution that would work
10:22 <freako> :(
10:23 <eddiefantastic> you can change zone conquer rate/ defence_rate, etc during the round on an unhacked server
10:23 <eddiefantastic> turning sumo zones into fortress zones
10:23 <eddiefantastic> but I don't think it would really work as a better server :(
10:23 <freako> i know with that its possible but how can i do it that it does that when somebody wins
10:24 <eddiefantastic> so as they win their some zone becomes a fortress zone?
10:24 <eddiefantastic> win their "pod" game that is
10:24 <freako> yes
10:24 <freako> yes
10:25 <freako> but youre idea sounds to big for my brain to handle -_-
10:25 <eddiefantastic> it would have to be a global change across all zone
10:25 <eddiefantastic> s
10:25 <freako> oh
10:25 <eddiefantastic> you could set that after a certain time the zone settigns are changed
10:26 <eddiefantastic> a simple script could do that
10:26 <freako> but how do i make that Delayed?
10:26 <eddiefantastic> you seen setting changing on mayhem?
10:26 <eddiefantastic> 60 and 80 seconds nito each round the settings change
10:26 <freako> yeah
10:26 <eddiefantastic> like that
10:27 <eddiefantastic> but I think it would make sumo worse rather that better personally
10:27 <freako> :(
10:27 <eddiefantastic> my typing is awful
10:27 <freako> How would it be an improvement then???
10:28 <eddiefantastic> shooting and zombies ;)
10:28 <freako> erh... how could Sumo be improved then?
10:28 <freako> Lol zombie in a sumo :(
10:29 <freako> shooting sumo maahauhaua!!!
10:29 <eddiefantastic> with the hacked server you could do all sorts of weird and wonderful things with the zone, you have control
10:29 <freako> or an sumo server with 10 different sumo maps
10:29 <freako> Wild Sumo
10:29 <eddiefantastic> whether it would make sumo better?
10:29 <eddiefantastic> certainly be different
10:29 <freako> ???
10:30 <eddiefantastic> wild fortress is different to fortress
10:30 <eddiefantastic> is it better?
10:30 <eddiefantastic> matter of opinion
10:30 <freako> No, but its fun 2
10:30 <eddiefantastic> exactly
10:30 <freako> yeah, in my opinion Normal fort is the best
10:31 <eddiefantastic> but that map with the funny angles, I hate that one ;)
10:31 <freako> me 2
10:31 <eddiefantastic> haha
10:31 <freako> *everybody* does
10:31 <eddiefantastic> everyone hates that one
10:31 <freako> we just like to hate that map :P
10:31 <eddiefantastic> :)
10:31 <freako> Ok new idea, Creat a new gametype Muahuhahau!!!!!
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10:32 <freako> wrong button
10:32 <freako> New Idea Create A new Gamtype Mahuahuahua!!!!
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10:33 <freako> sorry pc went mad
10:33 <freako> you there?
10:34 <eddiefantastic> hi
10:34 <eddiefantastic> I got to get back to work
10:34 <freako> ok
10:34 <eddiefantastic> good luck woth your ideas
10:35 <freako> cya , Thanks
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14:10 <freako> Is there Someone here who can help me a bit with hacking arma?
14:10 <freako> in windows i mean
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15:50 <z-man> Eeek, Windows.
15:50  * z-man runs away
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15:51 <kick52> you have to be fucking me
15:51 <kick52> i got kicked for being idle
15:51 <kick52> I WAS DEAD WTF
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16:29 <DrJoeTron> hot damn
16:29 <spidey> no u
16:30 <spidey> and  i'm hot =p
16:30 <DrJoeTron> those userbar.org sigbars are the worst things ever
16:30 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192534#192534 cept for mine, they're the coolest
16:30 <spidey> ccocompressing 1.26gb at 1.71mb/s on realtime priority is the worst thing ever
16:31 <spidey> talk about lag
16:31 <z-man> userbar user?
16:31 <spidey> if i can get this same ratio that the file was packed in
16:31 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah z-man
16:31 <spidey> i figure i can free up about 10-20gb of space
16:31 <DrJoeTron> i also am george clooney
16:32 <DrJoeTron> hop on the bandwagon
16:32 <DrJoeTron> only pick the coolest userbars
16:32 <spidey> liar
16:32 <spidey> because i'm his brother...
16:32 <DrJoeTron> unfortunately i picked the best ones
16:32 <z-man> darn, none left?
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16:32 <DrJoeTron> well i can share one if you want
16:32 <z-man> nah
16:33 <DrJoeTron> i know you were eyeing the Hey Arnold Watcher one.
16:33 <z-man> very suspiciously, yes :)
16:33 <DrJoeTron> if you want it you gotta give me your gameboy
16:33 <DrJoeTron> its only fair
16:34 <Lucifer> well, I was going to get a DrJoeTron userbar, because I'm a user of DrJoeTron, but decided their site didn't make enough sense (required too much work)
16:34 <z-man> No way, I'm not yet through super mario 2.
16:34 <DrJoeTron> damn it :(
16:34 <DrJoeTron> get those damn coins
16:34 <DrJoeTron> theres only 6 of them
16:35 <Lucifer> hey, x prize cup this weekend
16:35 <DrJoeTron> haha really?
16:36 <DrJoeTron> reminds me. has mom been on at all :I
16:38 <Lucifer> off and on
16:39 <Lucifer> http://www.space.com/xprizecup/  <--- they'll have web coverage again
16:41 <DrJoeTron> awesome
16:41 <Lucifer> http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=270707Armadil_module
16:42 <Lucifer> I won't be in here, though, I'll be there :)
16:42 <Lucifer> we're leaving tomorrow (me and the kids, my wife have to work)
16:42 <Lucifer> coming back monday
16:42 <DrJoeTron> im gonna probably miss it
16:42 <DrJoeTron> got a lot of stuff to do this weekend
16:47 <Lucifer> me too :)
16:47 <Lucifer> gotta drive to new mexico....
16:47 <Lucifer> hrm, I need to make sure my camera's got batteries this time, and probably dig up the extra memory card I have for it
16:49 <spidey> ummmm
16:49 <spidey> it's fucking cold outside >.>
16:49 <spidey> #weather 38256
16:49 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 50.7°F (9:53 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Rising).
16:50 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
16:50 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Omaha Millard, Nebraska is 42.8°F (9:30 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
16:50 <spidey> wow i have a 5.4second lag
16:50 <luke-jr> spidey: not likely?
16:51 <luke-jr> 3 second :þ
16:51 <spidey> luke because this compression hit a text file
16:52 <spidey> it'll go back to 5+ in a second =p
16:52 <spidey> 697mb of 1.26gb to 133.68mb so far =D
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16:55 <spidey> my servers hdd is dying :<
16:55 <spidey> it's been making a scratching sound like a wind storm all night
16:58 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
16:58 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 54.5°F (9:58 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
16:59 <Lucifer> they're forecasting 80s weather in New Mexico
17:05 <spidey> it's been raining all day >.>
17:05 <Lucifer> you're in the middle of a big green blob on weather.com
17:05 <spidey> lol
17:05 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
17:05 <luke-jr> spidey: your fault for not understanding what realtime is
17:06 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Error: timed out
17:06 <DrJoeTron> welp
17:06 <DrJoeTron> no weather for today i guess
17:06 <spidey> atleast it's not a big red blob
17:06 <Lucifer> #weather 60016
17:06 <spidey> luke-jr, i understand what it is
17:06 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 50.0°F (9:52 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
17:06 <Lucifer> I love you, armabot
17:06 <DrJoeTron> fuck off armabot
17:06 <spidey> LOL
17:06 <Lucifer> I hate you, DrJoeTron (hi there!)
17:06 <DrJoeTron> thats cool
17:06 <luke-jr> #weather 66666
17:06 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <luke-jr> pwnt
17:07 <spidey> #weather 666
17:07 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <spidey> ?
17:07 <Lucifer> #weather Hell
17:07 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Baseline Lake, Pinckney, Michigan is 45.5°F (11:10 AM EDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Rising).
17:07 <Lucifer> pretty cold in Hell
17:07 <spidey> #weather heavan
17:07 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <luke-jr> …
17:07 <Lucifer> #weather heaven
17:07  * luke-jr smacks spidey
17:07 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <spidey> owned
17:07 <DrJoeTron> geometry wars galaxies looks like alot of fun for the wii
17:07 <luke-jr> learn to speel
17:07 <spidey> u
17:08 <luke-jr> #weather nothingness
17:08 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:08 <Lucifer> #weather limbo
17:08 <luke-jr> o well
17:08 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:08 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Limbo is part of Hell
17:08 <luke-jr> which you already asked it
17:08 <Lucifer> is not
17:08 <spidey> you spell you, u, oh, o, don't correct me =p
17:08 <Lucifer> yeah, spidey's right
17:08 <luke-jr> no he isn't
17:09 <luke-jr> u and o are widely accepted abbreviations
17:09 <Khalsa> #weather ornot?
17:09 <armabot> Khalsa: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:09 <spidey> luke-jr, if you use aol and it's 1998
17:09  * Khalsa is reminded of the simpsons episode wiht the spelling bee.
17:09 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah its 1998
17:09 <Lucifer> luke-jr: they're only widely accepted abbreviations by illiterate turds
17:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: like u
17:10 <Lucifer> I haven't accepted them
17:10 <Lucifer> in fact, when do I abbreviate anything?
17:10 <spidey> you say civ =p
17:10 <Lucifer> I can type faster than the speed of light, I don't *need* to abbreviate easy words
17:10 <Khalsa> Your word is Weather, can you use it in a sentence? "little timmy didnt know wether or not the weather was going to trun foul"
17:11 <spidey> lol
17:11 <Lucifer> spidey: ah, see, civ *is* a widely accepted abbreviation by people that can read and write.  :)
17:11 <spidey> =p
17:11 <Khalsa> civ = honda civic?
17:11 <spidey> my brother had surgery today
17:11 <Lucifer> did they remove his criminal bone?
17:11 <spidey> hahaha
17:11 <spidey> gal?sp? bladder
17:12 <Lucifer> gall bladder
17:12 <spidey> yea,they removed it
17:12 <Lucifer> it's sometimes called the gaul bladder, because it's full of nasty things and otherwise useless, i.e. you can survive without it
17:12 <spidey> yea
17:12 <spidey> but doesn't it help digest food?
17:12 <Khalsa> just can't eat too many fried foods
17:12 <DrJoeTron> im glad the one time i join its not connect/disconnect messages here
17:12 <Lucifer> people without gaul bladders tend to fight to the very end
17:13 <spidey> heh
17:13 <Lucifer> damn, where's MrBougo when you're making french jokes?
17:15 <DrJoeTron> i hope updating my sound drvers fixes that horrible pop sound
17:15 <spidey> lol
17:15 <GodTodd> man...that kepler is such a liar
17:15 <GodTodd> was*
17:15 <spidey> sound is for noobs!
17:15 <Lucifer> uninstall the britney spears media player to get rid of that horrible pop sound
17:15 <spidey> haha
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17:15 <spidey> owned?
17:15 <Lucifer> bye joe
17:15 <Lucifer> GodTodd: what are you working on now?
17:16 <GodTodd> didn't know joe was such a kepler fan
17:16 <GodTodd> gravitation
17:16 <Lucifer> hey, I took my second statics test yesterday.  Finished in 25 minutes.
17:16 <GodTodd> that's either really good or really bad
17:16 <GodTodd> heh
17:16 <Lucifer> oh shit, kepler didn't put earth at the center of the universe, did he?
17:16 <Lucifer> well, I'm confident of all my answers.  I am concerned that if I finished it that quickly, I might have missed something obvious :)
17:16 <GodTodd> no, he lied and proved that the planets move relative to the sun
17:17 <Lucifer> or maybe I finished so quickly because I saw all the obvious stuff
17:17 <Lucifer> well, kepler's model allows us to send spacecraft to Saturn, and no other model gives us that...
17:17 <spidey> uha$0000.$$$  <---wtf? lol
17:17 <GodTodd> gesundheit
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17:17 <DrJoeTron> damn it!
17:17 <spidey> haha
17:18 <Lucifer> heh, one of the trip planner sites gave me the helpful bit of information that US-290 turns into US-290
17:18 <spidey> that's what you get for torrenting games joe
17:18 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: shouldn't have said anything
17:18 <GodTodd> yeah but everyone knows it's an earth-centric setup
17:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: then why can't the jesus freaks give us a mathematical model we can use to send spacecraft to Saturn?
17:18 <DrJoeTron> guess i should wait for the Wii/DS versions to come out
17:18 <spidey> lol
17:18 <GodTodd> because math is proof and faith needs no proof
17:19 <spidey> lol
17:19 <Lucifer> spacecraft don't navigate on faith!
17:19 <GodTodd> therefore math is anathema to faith
17:19 <Lucifer> are you actually working with kepler's equations?
17:19 <GodTodd> yeah
17:19 <GodTodd> his three laws
17:19 <Lucifer> we just kind of talked about what he did, but didn't do anything
17:19 <Lucifer> I'm expecting to go into his stuff in detail in orbital mechanics, later on :)
17:20 <GodTodd> we're doing that with einstein
17:20 <GodTodd> won't touch his stuff til physics 2
17:20 <Lucifer> yeah, same here for that, and I haven't taken physics 2 yet
17:20 <GodTodd> i'm just hoping i can pass physics 1 :/
17:21 <GodTodd> it's kicking my ass for some reason
17:21 <GodTodd> i think it's the teacher's style
17:21 <GodTodd> i think he hates white people
17:24 <GodTodd> hrmm...when you're given weight how do you find the torque acting on a meterstick when the fulcrum is placed at 35cm?
17:27 <Lucifer> weight is in kg?
17:28 <Lucifer> multiply it by 9.81 m/s^2 to get N, then multiply *that* by the perpendicular distance of the force and the point
17:28 <GodTodd> weight is in N
17:28 <Lucifer> you're taking the moment of force about a point
17:28 <GodTodd> weight is mg
17:28 <Lucifer> you can also use the formula (force)*(distance)* sin(angle between the two vectors)
17:29 <Lucifer> which requires you to know the angle between them :)
17:29 <Lucifer> this is what we spent the last two chapters doing in my statics class
17:29 <GodTodd> well...there's two forces...mg down on the long end
17:29 <GodTodd> and normal force (which is up on the other end, no?)
17:29 <Lucifer> the total moment is the sum of the individual moments
17:30 <Lucifer> ?
17:30 <Lucifer> wait, I have to take my kid to school right quick
17:30 <Lucifer> wel, don't wait, but I'll ask if you're still on it when I get back
17:30 <GodTodd> aight
17:33 <spidey> i wonder what would happen if i slid this memory bus slider from 400mhz to 1000mhz
17:35 <GodTodd> it would go from 400-1000?
17:35 <GodTodd> :P
17:35 <spidey> maybe
17:36 <GodTodd> millihertz aren't all that big tho ;)
17:36 <spidey> who said anything about milli?
17:36 <spidey> it's megahertz =p
17:36 <GodTodd> that's what "little m" means :P
17:37 <GodTodd> MHz is what you are referring to :P
17:37 <spidey> ....
17:37 <GodTodd> !!!!
17:38 <GodTodd> hrmm...torque is measured in N * m....so it should just be the force * the radius from the point of force to the fulcrum
17:38 <GodTodd> i think
17:39 <GodTodd> so with a weight of 1.96N and the end being .65m from the fulcrum that'd be...
17:39 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*.65
17:39 <armabot> GodTodd: 1.274
17:39 <GodTodd> maybe
17:40 <kick52> lolzor
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17:41 <spidey> hey Lucifer there's MrBougo !!
17:41 <MrBougo> hiho
17:41 <spidey> do it do it do it!!
17:41 <MrBougo> yea do it
17:41 <spidey> i'm not a ho :<
17:41 <MrBougo> you are
17:41 <GodTodd> #last --from Lucifer --nolimit
17:41 <armabot> GodTodd: [17:30:50] <Lucifer> wel, don't wait, but I'll ask if you're still on it when I get back, [17:30:39] <Lucifer> wait, I have to take my kid to school right quick, [17:30:10] <Lucifer> ?, [17:29:53] <Lucifer> the total moment is the sum of the individual moments, [17:29:29] <Lucifer> this is what we spent the last two chapters doing in my statics class, [17:29:11] <Lucifer> which requires you (11 more messages)
17:41 <MrBougo> a spider ho
17:42 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer --with MrBougo
17:42 <armabot> spidey: [17:13:23] <Lucifer> damn, where's MrBougo when you're making french jokes?
17:42 <MrBougo> you can do it spidey-ho
17:42 <MrBougo> just a little more effort and you will do it
17:42 <MrBougo> let me give you a hint
17:42 <MrBougo> link me to teh logz ftw!
17:43 <GodTodd> MrBougo: spidey isn't a ho, you have to get laid to be a ho
17:43 <GodTodd> ;)
17:43 <MrBougo> aw true
17:43 <spidey> ...
17:47 <MrBougo> i didnt get his fench joke
17:47 <MrBougo> and btw i'm belgian
17:47 <P4> hey MrBougo, do you know where the Lokeren is?
17:48 <MrBougo> course
17:48 <P4> i were there 2 years ago :) great town ^^
17:48 <MrBougo> it's Lokeren
17:48 <MrBougo> not the Lokeren
17:48 <P4> oh
17:48  * P4 sucks at English :)
17:48 <MrBougo> never been there though
17:48 <MrBougo> np P4  :)
17:48 <P4> is it far away from your home location?
17:48 <MrBougo> yup
17:49 <MrBougo> kind of
17:49 <P4> oh... what a pity... i got family there so i probably be there in future
17:49 <P4> we could smoke some stuff or drink some polish vodka :)
17:49 <MrBougo> i dont smoke nor drink
17:49 <MrBougo> :D
17:49 <MrBougo> it's not that far away actually
17:49 <P4> oh... you got to be sXe guy :P
17:49 <MrBougo> 40 kilometers
17:50 <MrBougo> sxe?
17:50 <P4> straight edge ;)
17:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: still working on it?
17:50 <GodTodd> yeah
17:50 <MrBougo> ew, straight edge :p
17:50 <P4> :}
17:51 <Lucifer> ok, so what's the whole problem, then?  Got a picture convenient?
17:51 <GodTodd> i had to draw one
17:51 <Lucifer> MrBougo: Gaul, French, get it?
17:51 <MrBougo> yup
17:51 <Lucifer> it was a surrender monkey joke
17:51 <MrBougo> but i didnt get the sentence
17:51 <GodTodd> now...wtf is the normal force acting on the meterstick?
17:52 <Lucifer> is that what's acting?
17:52 <Lucifer> er
17:52 <GodTodd> it says weight and normal force
17:52 <Lucifer> is that what you're supposed to figure out?
17:52 <GodTodd> i have to diagram where the forces are acting
17:52 <Lucifer> what's the whole problem?  In words at least, copy and paste yadayada :)
17:52 <GodTodd> (it's a prelab thingee)
17:53 <GodTodd> sec and i'll get a c&p copy
17:56 <GodTodd> it's a pdf so it's taking a sec to open
17:56 <GodTodd> A meter-long ruler (meterstick) has a mass of 200 g giving it a weight of 1.96 N (nearly 1/2 pound).
17:56 <GodTodd> A pencil lying flat on a tabletop serves as a fulcrum and the if the ruler is placed with the 50-cm mark
17:56 <GodTodd> above the pencil the ruler is balanced -showing that the center of mass is at the center of the ruler.
17:56 <GodTodd> that's the setup
17:57 <GodTodd> so then i have to diagram the forces (normal and weight) acting on the ruler when the pencil is below the 35cm mark
17:58 <GodTodd> then they want to know if the torque is CW or CCW
17:58 <GodTodd> then the magnitude of the torque
18:01 <Lucifer> ah
18:02 <Lucifer> first mark where the meterstick's center of mass is and place it's force there (I assume you already did this)
18:02 <GodTodd> it says it's at 50cm
18:02 <Lucifer> then you take the moment of force about either the pencil or the tip of the stick that touches the table
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18:02 <Lucifer> diagram the forces (normal and weight) acting on the ruler when the pencil is below the 35cm mark  <--- it will no longer be balanced at this point
18:03 <GodTodd> right...but they're wanting the forces at the INSTANT it's released
18:03 <GodTodd> so, while still balanced, i'm assuming
18:03 <Lucifer> ?  that's not what I read in your copy and paste
18:04 <Lucifer> not sure it matters either, since a pencil isn't very thick, so the angle isn't going to be very large :)
18:04 <GodTodd> 1) (a) Draw a diagram showing the ruler placed horizontally on the pencil with the ruler's 35-cm mark
18:04 <GodTodd>    above the pencil. Draw vectors showing the two forces that act on the ruler (weight and normal force)
18:04 <GodTodd>    at the INSTANT it is released (we realize, of course, that the ruler will quickly be rotationally
18:04 <GodTodd>    accelerated by the net torque).
18:04 <Lucifer> aha, ok
18:04 <Lucifer> so draw it that way and take the moment of force about the pencil
18:04 <GodTodd> but where is the normal force acting?
18:04 <Lucifer> put the force of the stick at the center of mass still (50 cm)
18:04 <Lucifer> the normal force where the pencil is?
18:05 <GodTodd> the normal force acting on the ruler
18:05 <Lucifer> the normal force acting on the ruler is acted by which body?
18:05 <Lucifer> (here's a hint: it's the only body the ruler is touching!  :)  )
18:05 <GodTodd> the pencil, i'm assuming
18:05 <GodTodd> because it'll push up
18:06 <Lucifer> and it has to be perpendicular to the surface, where the surface is the pencil's surface
18:06 <Lucifer> so a perfectly round pencil will push it's normal force perpendicular to the ruler, but on a line from it's center
18:06 <GodTodd> so, the normal force is acting up from 35cm
18:06 <Lucifer> a hexagonal pencil (I'm assuming that's what they assume) will act like a table where the force will push straight up
18:07 <Lucifer> but see, when you take the moment about the pencil, that force disappears and you only have the weight of the stick to worry about
18:07 <GodTodd> right
18:07 <GodTodd> so how do i take the moment about the pencil?
18:07 <Lucifer> center of mass of the stick is at 50cm?
18:07 <GodTodd> right
18:07 <Lucifer> pencil is at 35?
18:07 <GodTodd> ahhh...so 1.96*15?
18:07 <Lucifer> 50-35 gives r in the formula M = F*d
18:07 <Lucifer> er, d
18:08 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*15
18:08 <armabot> GodTodd: 29.4
18:08 <Lucifer> yep, then plug in the F, which you said was 1.96, right?
18:08 <GodTodd> er
18:08 <GodTodd> .15
18:08 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*.15
18:08 <armabot> GodTodd: 0.294
18:08 <GodTodd> so....294 Newton meters
18:08 <GodTodd> that's .294
18:08 <GodTodd> heh
18:08 <Lucifer> haha
18:09 <Lucifer> I don't know if we can determine the normal force acting on the stick by the pencil
18:09 <Lucifer> I suppose we could, the problem is, it's not in equilibrium, so there's nothing to equate it to
18:10 <GodTodd> nah...don't need it except to show it on the drawring
18:10 <Lucifer> maybe if I think hard enough about the rotational formulas I'll come up with a solution
18:10 <GodTodd> now...
18:10 <GodTodd> 2) If a 100 gram mass is correctly placed on the above ruler, the ruler + 100g system will remain
18:10 <GodTodd>    balanced (with the 35-cm mark above the pencil and the ruler horizontal). Such a system is in
18:10 <GodTodd>    equilibrium since the forces and torques are balanced and the acceleration is zero.
18:10 <Lucifer> where do you put the mass?
18:11 <GodTodd> yep
18:11 <GodTodd> that's the question
18:11 <GodTodd> :)
18:11 <Lucifer> F*d + F*d = 0
18:11 <Lucifer> :)
18:11 <GodTodd> at least part d of it
18:11 <Lucifer> you want a net moment of force equal to 0 to balance it
18:11 <Lucifer> so, you have the force of the 100 gram mass by multiplying it by little g
18:11 <Lucifer> you have the moment of the stick, plug in and solve for d :)
18:12 <Lucifer> maybe I should be clearer
18:12 <epsy> ...
18:12 <Lucifer> F*d(stick) + F*d(mass) = 0
18:12 <Lucifer> still taking the moment about the pencil so we don't have to figure out the normal force there
18:12 <Lucifer> you'll want to make sure to declare an axis, too
18:13 <GodTodd> now, the d would be from the fulcrum, right?
18:13 <Lucifer> er, I don't understand words like fulcrum
18:13 <Lucifer> :)
18:13 <GodTodd> so, when i get 30 cm that's 30cm from the pencil
18:13 <GodTodd> so you'd put it at 5 cm
18:13 <Lucifer> not being a smart-ass, we never talked about levers and fulcrums, just moments of force
18:13 <Lucifer> right
18:13 <GodTodd> k
18:14 <Lucifer> what you're doing is taking the sums of the moments about the pencil, and since you want the system to be balanced, then the sums of the moments about the pencil have to equal 0
18:14 <Lucifer> if they don't, then the stick will rotate
18:14 <Lucifer> one way or the other, of course :)
18:14 <GodTodd> right
18:14 <Lucifer> (moments of force, in case I haven't said that enough already, there are other moments you can take besidse moments of force :)  )
18:15 <GodTodd> yep
18:15 <GodTodd> the way you explained it makes way more sense than the dude teaching it to me :/
18:16 <Lucifer> that's probably why we don't use words like fulcrum and lever in the classes I've taken :)
18:16 <GodTodd> anywho...i gotsta piss and then see if i can get my physics lab done in less than the alotted 3 hours
18:16 <Lucifer> heh, ko
18:17 <Lucifer> I've got to clean out my car, change the oil, wash the winders, etc
18:17 <GodTodd> tanks fer da help :)
18:29 <Lucifer> anytime :)
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19:25 <spidey> that luke-jr guy
19:25 <spidey> you know him?
19:25 <spidey> i heard he's a satanist
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19:59 <Lucifer> luke-jr loves the devil
20:10 <epsy> i need log excerpts
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20:10 <epsy> i need a player which goes into spec mode :p
20:11 <Lucifer> *phew*
20:11 <Lucifer> first conference today isn't until 3pm
20:11 <epsy> heh
20:11 <Lucifer> there may yet be time for the run to the grocery store
20:12 <epsy> \[0\] (:({$regexpdefs['nick']}) (:left the (game)|left ({$regexpdefs['teamname']}))|(Spectator) ({$regexpdefs['nick']}) left)\.$
20:12 <epsy> am i right ?
20:12 <epsy> err, except for the « Spectator left » part :p
20:12 <MrBougo> heh
20:13 <MrBougo> hehe
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22:02 <kick52> what the fucking shit
22:02 <kick52> i got kicked out of a CTF game for NO REASON WHATSOEVER
22:03 <kick52> i join (unspawned), a poll is cast, i spawn, i get kicked
22:03 <P4> maybe they plaid some inclan tourney
22:03 <P4> what server?
22:03 <kick52> ctf shooting wild west
22:04 <kick52> didn't say it was a clan server
22:04 <P4> #sd ctf shooting
22:04 <armabot> P4: Wild West  =CTF Shooting=: Players (5/10): 2+2=5!, L2K|@DeMo@, Player 1, |NR|*ROC*| root, |ROC|OSSY
22:04 <P4> dunno why :P
22:04 <kick52> so no i can't play ctf for 30 mins
22:05 <kick52> fuck that shit.
22:05 <kick52> i feel like ban-evading and being an asshole. it is right
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22:08 <kick52_> they have some problem with my name (???)
22:08 <kick52_> i join, and someone says "do that again and i will kick you"
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23:05 <Lucifer> kick52: do that again and I will kick you
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23:06 <kick52> Lucifer: heh?
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23:07 <kick52> oh
23:07 <kick52> heh
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23:54 <ct|kyle> Lucifer:

Log from 2007-10-26:
--- Day changed Fri Oct 26 2007
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02:20 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: PING
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05:50 <Durka> Lucifer: ping
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06:06 <Durka> fuck the rox lost =/
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09:03 <Lucifer> guru3: pin
09:03 <Lucifer> g
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09:37 <kick52> there is something very wrong with the ctf mode
09:38 <kick52> as soon as the game starts the fps rapidly declines
09:39 <kick52> until it gets to about 4 or so
09:39 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
09:39 <DrJoeTron> i miss groundpig
09:45 <kick52> groundpig?
09:45  * kick52 googles
09:46 <kick52> hmm, does groundpig not suck in the fps section?
09:50 <eddiefantastic> respawning sucks in the fps section
09:52 <kick52> it is definately not a graphics problem as a game with a bigger map with 13 players runs fine
09:52 <Lucifer> it's a memory leak, iirc
09:52 <Lucifer> or so I've heard, I've never actually looked at the patch
09:53 <Lucifer> basically, he creates a new zone in memory for every flash of the flag, which slows the game down over time because none of the game objects get collected until the end of the round
09:53 <Lucifer> if respawning were removed, the problem would disappear (although it won't go away)
09:59 <kick52> :(
09:59 <kick52> i've also had a problem where it says i've been respawned though it was the other team
10:00 <Lucifer> this is why I love it when people contribute patches and then disappear :)
10:00 <Lucifer> we can't support the patch, so unless you're willing to sling code yourself, there's not much we can do
10:02 <kick52> if only my coding skills were more than just primitive bash scripting
10:02 <Lucifer> please put a nickel on the jar
10:03 <Lucifer> it's the "I want someone else to fix my problem" jar :)
10:03 <eddiefantastic> I got a problem with team spawns, need more control ;)
10:04 <Lucifer> not trying to be harsh, it's just that if the patch didn't have these problems and there were a way to maintain the game mode in the development branch without it (where zones are totally different), we'd happily put this patch into 0.2.8 and support it
10:04 <Lucifer> and if these problems were trivial to fix, we'd have already done it
10:04 <Lucifer> groundpig basically said he'd like to see them fixed, but wasn't going to do it, so what do you do?
10:04 <eddiefantastic> the main problem iirc is a clientside problem with the respawning
10:04 <Lucifer> yeah, it's not a server-side problem
10:05 <eddiefantastic> he didn't write the respawning, just enabled it
10:05 <Lucifer> and like i said, I don't know the details.
10:05 <Lucifer> well, the respawning was only an unsupported hack, that's why it had to be enabled.  :)
10:05 <Lucifer> it's actually a construction site that hasn't been developed :)
10:05 <Lucifer> rather, philippe's developed it in the trunk as part of zones v2
10:05 <eddiefantastic> repspawning is ok as long as you make sure rounds are short
10:06 <Lucifer> I've thought ctf needed to go to timed rounds anyway
10:06 <eddiefantastic> phillippe did respawning?
10:06 <Lucifer> he screwed with it, he had a test zones v2 server up a year ago or so that did respawning
10:06 <Lucifer> I'm only extrapolating here, it's possible he hasn't developed the respawning past where it was, just incorporated it into zones v2
10:06 <eddiefantastic> I remember z-mans respawning server. I dunno
10:07 <Lucifer> but the problem's something to do with zones and respawning, like if you just did ctf, you're fine
10:07 <Lucifer> if you just did respawning, you're fine
10:07 <eddiefantastic> A good ctf server will have timed rounds, that's up to the admin
10:07 <Lucifer> not sure, haven't looked it over myself
10:08 <Lucifer> well, I am a fan of timed matches anyway :)
10:08 <eddiefantastic> when chico styball first went up, there was nothing to stop the round from continuing forever. My fps started at 100 and after a 15 minute round would go down to 1
10:09 <eddiefantastic> everybody had 1 fps
10:09 <Lucifer> really?  I never had a fps drop in styball
10:09 <eddiefantastic> all you could do was respawn
10:09 <eddiefantastic> it's timed now
10:09 <eddiefantastic> *was
10:09 <eddiefantastic> dz's in the goals
10:09 <Lucifer> no, I mean, I was in there when it first went up and had unlimited rounds and never had a fps drop
10:10 <eddiefantastic> you may not have had the long rounds
10:10 <Lucifer> maybe I should dig up z-man's posts on it, since he actually reviewed the patch
10:10 <Lucifer> it's possible, I was so early in there I think there were only like 4 people total that were interested
10:10 <Lucifer> hell, I think n54 was in there
10:10 <Lucifer> no, wait, I think it was joda
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10:11 <eddiefantastic> the 4 axes styball didn't work well imo
10:11 <Lucifer> I preferred that :)
10:11 <Lucifer> what we really need is some new movement controls :)
10:11 <eddiefantastic> Voodoo is currently trying to fix the wall bug
10:11 <Lucifer> so we can have a base 4 axis with the left/right, and then have some alternate controls that turn the cycle at a different angle
10:12 <kick52> hmm, wal bug
10:12 <Lucifer> so left/right pi/2, and left/right pi/4 controls :)
10:12 <kick52> isn't that where you can go out of bounds?
10:12 <Lucifer> what's the wall bug?
10:12 <guru3> Lucifer: pon
10:12 <Lucifer> g
10:12 <eddiefantastic> you ever see the ball get stuck to a wall and shake erractically?
10:12 <eddiefantastic> it doesn't do that now
10:12 <Lucifer> er, yeah, do we have any kind of anti-troll stuff on the forums?
10:12 <guru3> no
10:13 <eddiefantastic> we now have a disappearing ball bug
10:13 <eddiefantastic> much worse :(
10:13 <Lucifer> boy, I haven't played styball in a long time :)
10:13 <Lucifer> I think I've seen that, now that you mention it
10:13 <eddiefantastic> there's no styball server up afaik
10:13 <Lucifer> oh shit, is master 2 still running?
10:14  * Lucifer just realized he probably needs to recompile it after the distro upgrade
10:25 <guru3> What's 3:25PST in GMT+1?
10:27 <kick52> it's 9:29!
10:27 <kick52> uh, right?
10:27 <guru3> I have no clue. -_-
10:29 <kick52> it is 9:29 here in merry old england
10:29 <guru3> Hmm, that's the time this computer was offered on FreeCycle.
10:29 <guru3> I'm just trying to think, who decides to give up a computer at 3:25PM PST.
10:30 <guru3> Which is something like 9-11pm local time.
10:31 <guru3> Worst of all is I have to go walk a mile to the post office, collect my package, and then walk back with it.
10:32 <kick52> heh, i thought you meant it was 9,10 or 11pm for a minute there
10:32 <guru3> For starters, why the hell is the FreeCycle mailing list using PST anyway.
10:39  * wrtlprnft just totally blew his math test
10:40 <wrtlprnft> A = 2rπ ftw!
10:40 <wrtlprnft> ftl, actually
10:46 <tramshed> hah
10:46 <tramshed> I totally believe you blew it
10:46 <tramshed> you typoed all your formulas
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14:00 <spidey_> omg
14:00 <spidey_> z-man-work, i love you
14:01 <spidey_> i didn't know you where bert_the_turtle till i downloaded dedcon, i've been saying they needed a dedicated server since day 1 defcon was released
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14:14 <spidey_> z-man?
14:18 <z-man> yeah?
14:18 <spidey_> /spam
14:18 <spidey_> spidey_ omg
14:18 <spidey_> spidey_ z-man-work, i love you
14:18 <spidey_> spidey_ i didn't know you where bert_the_turtle till i downloaded dedcon, i've been saying they needed a dedicated server since day 1 defcon was released
14:18 <spidey_> though i have 1 question
14:19 <spidey_> i use steam, so would that affect me running one, since steam doesn't give authkeys?
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14:25 <z-man> It takes a peek into the windows registry to find out where steam is installed, deduces the defcon installation folder from that, and fetches the key from the file in the installation folder.
14:25 <spidey_> ah
14:25  * spide