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Log from 2007-10-08:
--- Day changed Mon Oct 08 2007
01:08 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: you sure it's m&ms and not reese's pieces?
01:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i remember the joke :I
01:15 <GodTodd> what good are ya then? :P
01:54 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:54 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 78.4°F (6:53 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 28.92 in 979.2 hPa (Rising).
02:05 <noob7> funnyn that ghableska lives in Des Moines, I spent 10 months in that part of Iowa in 2001/2002
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03:08 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
03:08 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 78.8°F (7:52 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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03:38 <spidey> #weather 38256
03:38 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of Paris, Paris, Tennessee is 72.5°F (8:40 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
03:51 <spidey> how would i include files into a svn diff >
03:51 <spidey> ?
03:53 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Shrunk
03:53 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
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03:54 <nowimproved> how do i clear the input configuration?
03:54 <nowimproved> to set it to unbound for turn left
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04:07 <nowimproved> how do i clear the input configuration?
04:07 <nowimproved> to set it to unbound for turn left
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04:30 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 74.5°F (9:28 PM CDT on October 07, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Rising).
04:33 <DrJoeTron> nowimproved are yous till there?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> just hit the button again when you're binding shit again
04:33 <DrJoeTron> it will remove it
04:34 <GodTodd> if your shit is binding you're probably eating too much cheese
04:39 <nowimproved> nope does not work but o well
04:40 <nowimproved> and the problem i am facing now is the camera is really dissy
04:40 <nowimproved> sometimes when i play
04:40 <nowimproved> it did not used to be like that
04:40 <nowimproved> but i removed my old settings when i upgraded
04:42 <DrJoeTron> i dont seee how it it wouldnt work
04:42 <DrJoeTron> you could delete user.cfg
04:42 <DrJoeTron> that fixes everything
04:44 <nowimproved> hmm.. o well
04:44 <nowimproved> i just want to fix the camera being weird
04:44 <nowimproved> i found my old settings anyway
04:44 <nowimproved> hopefully it does not mess up with the new version
05:03 <ghableska> #night
05:03 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:14 <tramshed> harhar
05:14 <tramshed> so yeah, Im stupid or something
05:14 <tramshed> whats the regex that specifies the beginning of the line?
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09:03 <luke-jr> ^
09:11 <luke-jr> spidey:
09:13 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why doesn't our incremental reverse search work like BASH?
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10:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: any idea what's wrong with .log.autoupload?
10:46 <luke-jr> [03:46:52] <jha_> coulkd you please be quiet? my #kde always turns green as soon as someone writes something
10:46 <luke-jr> wtf
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11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7359 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php:
11:01 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: distfiles mirrors:
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: hachi is back serving
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Dreamhost mirror
11:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7360 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php: actually, why waste hachis bw when dreamhost has plenty? ;)
11:04 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
11:11 <luke-jr> ./scripts/ai.rb:24: [BUG] Segmentation fault
11:11  * luke-jr mutters
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: feel free to implement it
11:32 <wrtlprnft> it's a problem with the way it's done right now, I didn't find a good way to catch the return key when i implemented it
11:32 <wrtlprnft> just press right or left, then return
11:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: any idea what's wrong with .log.autoupload? ← ?
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14:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why would you need to catch the return key?
14:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: .log.autoupload doesn't seem to be being updated
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15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7361 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: 0!==""
15:20 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/test-0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/test-0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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15:41 <EvanR> whats going on
15:43 <luke-jr> EvanR: not much
15:43 <luke-jr> most people are sleeping I think
15:44 <EvanR> what time is it
15:47 <luke-jr> 8:49 AM here
15:50 <noob7> 4pm here
15:51 <luke-jr> O.o
15:51 <EvanR> luke-jr: hey were in the same time zone
15:51 <EvanR> ive been up all night
15:51 <luke-jr> I've been up since 2
15:51 <EvanR> since 8 last night here
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16:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what's your exact problem with the current ctrl-r in arma?
16:17 <luke-jr> it's not the way BASH works
16:17 <luke-jr> ☺
16:17 <wrtlprnft> well, what's fundamentally different in bash?
16:17 <luke-jr> much easier to just type the start and hit PgUp
16:18 <luke-jr> ls<pgup><pgup><pgup>(that's what I want)<enter>
16:19 <wrtlprnft> well, i use zsh, and it works differently. feel free to implement your keys
16:20 <wrtlprnft> pgup is too far away from the other keys for me, anyways, so i wouldn't use it
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16:24 <luke-jr> :þ
16:24 <luke-jr> figured out the .log.autoupload btw
16:25 <wrtlprnft> wtf IS .log.autoupload?
16:25 <luke-jr> a log of automated uploads
16:25 <wrtlprnft> what do i have to do with it?
16:26 <luke-jr> you've edited the upload script a few times, at least
16:26 <luke-jr> and probably have at least as good an idea of how it works as I do
16:26 <wrtlprnft> you could have told me *what* uploads you meant
16:26 <wrtlprnft> and i never modified that part of the script
16:26 <luke-jr> heh
16:27 <luke-jr> I was looking in the wrong dir ^^
16:27 <luke-jr> go figure why the wrong dir happened to have a file with 1 line in it… :o
16:27 <wrtlprnft> what info does that file contain, anyways? you can extract the username and time from the resource dir...
16:27 <wrtlprnft> err
16:27 <wrtlprnft> …
16:27 <luke-jr> not for anonymous resources
16:27 <luke-jr> actually, it doesn't log the username :o
16:28 <luke-jr> just timestamp, IP, resource, and local filename
16:28 <wrtlprnft> nothing that can't be generated from the access logs and the resource dir, in short
16:29 <luke-jr> local filename can't
16:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7362 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: add logged in username to logfile
16:29 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
16:29 <wrtlprnft> either it's in the URL or it's unimportant because the file is already gone
16:29 <luke-jr> unimportant ☺
16:30 <wrtlprnft> is that a :) or :(?
16:30 <luke-jr> ☺
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the font is way to small
16:30 <luke-jr> : )
16:30 <wrtlprnft> it looks like :-|
16:30 <luke-jr> your font choice :þ
16:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i can increase the size
16:30 <wrtlprnft> but i don't feel like wasting space
16:30 <luke-jr> could look closer too
16:31 <luke-jr> my ☺ and ☹ differ by 4 pixels total
16:33 <Gursikh> that is really hard to see
16:33 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/%3F%20and%20%3F.png
16:33 <Gursikh> and my fontisnt particularly small
16:33 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: your font sucks ☺
16:33 <wrtlprnft> it's great for normal chars
16:34 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot19.png
16:34 <wrtlprnft> boxy
16:35 <luke-jr> :D
16:35 <EvanR> http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3883/reals1ze9.png
16:35 <wrtlprnft> and your font is bigger than mine
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16:36 <luke-jr> my font is bitmap
16:36 <luke-jr> :þ
16:36 <EvanR> luke-jr: what font do you use?
16:36 <luke-jr> Console
16:36 <luke-jr> + luke's modifications
16:37 <EvanR> you use aterm?
16:37 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/%3F%20and%20%3F1.png
16:37 <EvanR> maybe i should look at your screenshot
16:37 <wrtlprnft> dejavu sans mono
16:37 <luke-jr> EvanR: Konversation
16:38 <EvanR> oh.
16:38 <EvanR> im in the process of installing that
16:38 <luke-jr> ☺
16:38 <EvanR> its taking like a week
16:38 <luke-jr> LOL
16:38 <EvanR> i use many computers at once
16:39 <wrtlprnft> trying to compile it on an i368?
16:39 <luke-jr> so?
16:39 <Gursikh> irssi ftw
16:39  * wrtlprnft agrees woth Gursikh 
16:39 <luke-jr> install it on one computer and ssh -X
16:39 <EvanR> thats what im trying to su
16:39 <luke-jr> irssi is teh sux
16:39 <EvanR> to du
16:39 <EvanR> aslkdfj
16:39 <luke-jr> cuz it's glib
16:39 <Gursikh> blasphemer!
16:39 <wrtlprnft> what do i care?
16:40 <wrtlprnft> it works and fits inside a screen session
16:40 <EvanR> i just cant bring my self to navigate to the directory and type make, ive been sitting on configure for while
16:40 <luke-jr> rewrite irssi in Qt and I'll consider it
16:40 <luke-jr> EvanR: emerge konversation
16:40 <wrtlprnft> the entire point of irssi is that it's a console application
16:40 <EvanR> im about to drop kde
16:40 <luke-jr> KDE ♡
16:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so?
16:40 <EvanR> i find myself in Konsole all day
16:40 <luke-jr> Konsole ♡
16:40 <EvanR> i dont think KDE is doing mmuch for me buf taking my memory
16:40 <Gursikh> I've been thinking of switching to wmii
16:41 <luke-jr> EvanR: Konqueror is indispensible
16:41 <EvanR> not really
16:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, writing a console app in qt is sort of pointless
16:41 <EvanR> well for webbrowser
16:41 <EvanR> but i can use konqueror without kde
16:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: only because all console apps should be C or BASH
16:42 <EvanR> or python
16:42 <EvanR> or D
16:42 <EvanR> or ruby
16:42 <EvanR> or perl
16:42 <luke-jr> pbbt
16:42 <wrtlprnft> or brainfuck
16:42 <luke-jr> ruby is a joke
16:42 <luke-jr> ☺
16:42 <EvanR> #!/usr/brainfuck
16:42 <luke-jr> note our map previews are broken YET AGAIN
16:42 <luke-jr> cuz ruby sucks
16:42 <wrtlprnft> cuz yoo suck
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16:43 <luke-jr> or maybe nemo's code is no good
16:43 <luke-jr> pHxT: wtf r u?
16:43 <pHxT> onoz
16:43 <pHxT> luke
16:43 -!- pHxT is now known as digitx
16:43 <luke-jr> i c
16:43 <luke-jr> /ignore digitx
16:43 <digitx> :P
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16:43 <luke-jr> MrBougo: hi
16:43 <luke-jr> beware the digitx
16:43 <EvanR> /say/hmm
16:43 <MrBougo> hello
16:44 <digitx> luke...
16:44 <EvanR> luke-jr: how did you do that
16:44 <MrBougo> why luke
16:44 <luke-jr> EvanR: //ignore digitx
16:44 <EvanR> ah
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16:44 <EvanR> doesnt work
16:44 <luke-jr> MrBougo_laptop: he is HUNGARIAN
16:44 <digitx> :)
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> hehe luke-jr
16:44 <luke-jr> EvanR: cuz irssi sucks ☺
16:44 <digitx> who cares?
16:44 <EvanR> :(
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: it prolly wokrs
16:44 <digitx> luke, u are only noob
16:44 <digitx> :D
16:44 <MrBougo_laptop> #google irssi ignore
16:44 <armabot> MrBougo_laptop: Search took 0.11 seconds: cool features of irssi: <http://www.garion.org/irssi/features.php>; Irssi ignore_oc module: <http://www.elho.net/irc/irssi/ignore_oc/>; Python: module irssi: <http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/docs/irssi-python.html>; Archive Registry - The GNU Arch Wiki: <http://www.gnuarch.org/gnuarchwiki/Archive_Registry>; #!/usr/bin/perl # ignore_log.pl (2 more messages)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: /ignore digitix can't work
16:45 <wrtlprnft> because there's no such user digitix 
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> #more
16:45 <armabot> MrBougo_laptop: (ignore_log -- send [some] ignored ...: <http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/ignore_log.pl>; use Irssi ; use Irssi ::Irc; use strict; use vars qw($VERSION % IRSSI ...: <http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/ai.pl>; 常用的 irssi ignore - Everyday Work: <http://blog.seety.org/everydaywork/2005/5/22/331/>; FS#393: "/ ignore !channel all" not working: (1 more message)
16:45 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's why I typed /ignore digitx
16:45 <luke-jr> duh
16:45 <digitx> oh hi wrtlprnft
16:45 <EvanR> ignore works!
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> haha wrtlprnft
16:45 <digitx>  /ignore luke-jr
16:45 <EvanR> type backslash at the beginning of a line doesnt
16:45 <digitx> EvanR, EvanR liar:)
16:45 <EvanR> errrrrrrrr
16:45 <EvanR> forward slash
16:45 <EvanR> im typing it now
16:45 <luke-jr> \/
16:45 <EvanR> ///
16:45 <MrBougo_laptop> \\//
16:45 <EvanR> \/
16:45 <digitx> luke, fu
16:46 <EvanR> \\
16:46 <EvanR> \\//
16:46 <EvanR> /\/\
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \v/
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> err
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \V/
16:46 <EvanR> \V/
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> ...the hell???
16:46 <digitx> whataspam
16:46 <MrBougo_laptop> \\/:///\]-\\>|
16:46 <luke-jr> ╔════╦════╗
16:46 <digitx> luke-jr, bad.. pay.. kaman
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> ok, ima do my physics homework
16:47 <wrtlprnft> /ignore luke-jr MrBougo_laptop digitx EvanR 
16:47 <digitx> whataignore -_-
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> thats stupid
16:47 <digitx> physics?
16:47 <digitx> pf
16:47 <digitx> i'm best
16:47 <luke-jr> pf is BSD
16:47 <luke-jr> wait
16:47 <MrBougo_laptop> i have to calculate the speed that the moon would need to be launched on its orbit from the earth
16:47 <luke-jr> I'm ignoring you
16:47 <digitx> luke-jr, stfu pls
16:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:47 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's awesomely stupid
16:48 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's giving me the opportunity to kick digitix
16:48 <digitx> :)
16:48 <digitx> luke-jr, u sux!
16:48 <@MrBougo_laptop> ima kick digitix
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16:48 <luke-jr> hurry up alreayd
16:48 <digitx> who cares
16:48 -!- digitix was kicked from #armagetron by MrBougo_laptop [MrBougo_laptop]
16:48 <digitx> =D
16:48 <wrtlprnft> well, calculate the speed it needs to stay in orbit, then calculate the energy needed to get from the surface to its orbit's radius…
16:48 <digitx> wtffff chatzill@!
16:48 <digitx> suxxx
16:48 <digitx> :D
16:49 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by MrBougo_laptop [so do you]
16:49 <luke-jr> pwnt!
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16:49 <digitx> fu MrBougo_laptop
16:49 -!- MrBougo_laptop [n=MrBougo@61.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
16:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:49 <digitx> -_-
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> i respawned with voice?
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> err i mean
16:49 <luke-jr> who wants an IPv6 subnet?
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> ME!
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> no wait
16:49 <+MrBougo_laptop> i'd prefer candy
16:49 <luke-jr> …
16:50 <digitx> i want sex with luke-jr girl
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> omfg
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: did you ignore him?
16:50 <digitx> mwuhahahah
16:50 <digitx> :D
16:50 <digitx> at last
16:50 <+MrBougo_laptop> <digitx> i want sex with luke-jr girl
16:50 <digitx> ignoreeee meee
16:50 <digitx> all ignore meeee
16:50 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:50 <digitx> kaman
16:50 <@MrBougo_laptop> mmh
16:50 <wrtlprnft> you can have a ipv4 subnet:
16:50 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
16:50 <digitx> wrtlprnft, roxx :)
16:50 <Gursikh> /mode +q digitx ? >_>>
16:50 <digitx> onoz
16:51 <digitx> wtf gursikh ???
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o digitx] by ChanServ
16:51 <@digitx> jhaa suxx
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o digitx] by ChanServ
16:51 <digitx> :D
16:51 <digitx> tell for jha
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv MrBougo_laptop armabot BedMan dsop] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv duudii eddiefantastic EvanR flex] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv freezombie GodTodd Gursikh guru3] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv Jovan15 libervisco Lucifer luke-jr] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv MaZuffeR mkzelda noob13 noob7] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q11cf.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv P4|away paleman pavelo spidey] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv Sticky_ ToddKitchen wrtlprnft z-man-work] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu] by MrBougo_laptop
16:51 <+Gursikh> wtf me?
16:51 <@MrBougo_laptop> good so
16:51 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v digitx] by ChanServ
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> that's even better than ban
16:52 <+Gursikh> MrBougo_laptop: you know +q would've just muted him right?
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> really?
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh?
16:52 <+Gursikh> yeah
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> whoopsy
16:52 <+Gursikh> which is why I said
16:52 <+Gursikh> not that I mind being voiced
16:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> thats ban?
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
16:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:52 <+Gursikh> ban with a % = mute
16:52 <+wrtlprnft> need to kick one time, though
16:52 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh ok
16:53 <+Gursikh> dont need to kick
16:53 <+Gursikh> he can still join/part
16:53 <@MrBougo_laptop> lets test it out
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv MrBougo_laptop armabot BedMan deja_vu] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv dsop duudii eddiefantastic EvanR] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv flex freezombie GodTodd Gursikh] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv guru3 Jovan15 libervisco Lucifer] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv luke-jr MaZuffeR mkzelda noob13] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv noob7 P4|away paleman pavelo] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv spidey Sticky_ ToddKitchen wrtlprnft] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 <Gursikh> and you probably wanna craft a better one
16:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v z-man-work] by MrBougo_laptop
16:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: hey
16:53 <@MrBougo_laptop> it seems to work
16:54 <@MrBougo_laptop> or he's simulating
16:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %digitx!*@*] by MrBougo_laptop
16:54 <Gursikh> /mode +b %*!*@*/digitx* <-- something like that might be good too
16:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by ChanServ
16:54 <@MrBougo_laptop> Gursikh: what does that do
16:55 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you've just been delegated an IPv6 subnet!
16:55 <+luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2:ff::/64 dev wrtl  metric 1024  mtu 1480 advmss 1420
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> who?????
16:55 <Gursikh> bans anyone who is identified as unaffiliated/digitx
16:55 <Gursikh> mute-bans >_>
16:55 <wrtlprnft> well
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> oh right Gursikh
16:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't think i'll be able to remember it for very long
16:55 <@MrBougo_laptop> thats a good thing
16:55 <deja_vu> O.o
16:55 <wrtlprnft> doesn't have much practical use to me
16:56 <Gursikh> then when he changes nicks you can mute-ban his subnet too
16:56 <digitx> man, i can register fakenicks! with unaffiliated!
16:56 <digitx> sry sry
16:56 <digitx> :)
16:56 <@MrBougo_laptop> wee
16:56 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip tunnel add luke mode sit ttl 64 remote local
16:56 <digitx> well, here all lame or wtf? die luke-jr
16:56 <@MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: wtf? :p
16:56 <Gursikh> haha, then you can get some logs of him ban-evading and get him k-lined >_>
16:56 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip -6 route add default via 2002:440d:6de2::1 dev luke
16:57 <EvanR> ahah wait
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> hha Gursikh
16:57 <EvanR> im just now getting this
16:57 <digitx> khalsa ... :)
16:57 <EvanR> luke-jr: is the only ipv6 geek in hre
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: indeed
16:57 <EvanR> hahaha
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> who the hell needs ipv6
16:57 <EvanR> :(
16:57 <Gursikh> isp's
16:57 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ip -6 addr add 2002:440d:6de2:ff::1 dev luke
16:57 <@MrBougo_laptop> brb, gotta do my homework
16:57 <EvanR> games do
16:57 <wrtlprnft> zsh: command not found: ip
16:57 <EvanR> because NAT sucks, and multicast rocks
16:57 <digitx> mrbougo shit for you
16:58 <+luke-jr> digitx: HUNGARY!
16:58 <digitx> who cares?
16:58 <digitx> turkey
16:58 <EvanR> who here works on armagetron
16:58 <wrtlprnft> noone
16:58 <EvanR> :(
16:58 <wrtlprnft> we all just do stupid things :(
16:58 <digitx> yes
16:58 <digitx> exmpl: noob cmds
16:58 <digitx> :D
16:59 <wrtlprnft> in theory luke-jr and me would be developers
16:59 <+luke-jr> EvanR: officially, that would be guru3, Lucifer, wrtlprnft, and z-man-work
16:59 <digitx> luke-jr? nevah
16:59 <EvanR> but wrtlprnft doesnt have time anymore
16:59 <spidey> ..
16:59 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I'm retired, remember? :D
16:59 <+luke-jr> spidey: civ⁇
16:59 <wrtlprnft> well, the current trunk isn't usable for me
16:59 <+luke-jr> nor me
16:59 <wrtlprnft> so development isn't really much fun
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
17:00 <EvanR> wrtlprnft: what do you mean
17:00 <digitx> onot
17:00 <digitx> onozzzz
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@unaffiliated/digitx] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr [luke-jr]
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:00 <MrBougo_laptop> did you do that?
17:00 <+luke-jr> sure did
17:00 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
17:00 <phxt> whata
17:00 <phxt> ....
17:00 <phxt> :D
17:00 <+luke-jr> he was CTCP spamming me
17:00 <phxt> who cares?
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
17:00 <MrBougo_laptop> thats him
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
17:00 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] by luke-jr
17:00 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr [luke-jr]
17:01 <Gursikh> now ban *!*@*.broadband.hu
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu] by luke-jr
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> hahaha
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> awesome
17:01 <@luke-jr> screw hungary
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:01 <wrtlprnft> err.
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:01 -!- mode/#armagetron [+oo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop] by ChanServ
17:01 <EvanR> one time ##linux had a ban on all of sweden
17:01 <@luke-jr> wtf
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> better ban *!*@*.catv.broadband.hu
17:01 <wrtlprnft> can you please revert that .hu ban
17:01 <@luke-jr> wrtlprnft: do we know anyone in hungary?
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> digitx
17:01 <@MrBougo_laptop> a<w
17:01 <EvanR> lol
17:01 <wrtlprnft> someone might have a question
17:01 <Gursikh> lol
17:01 <@luke-jr> I mean someone who isn't supposed to be banned
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft is right
17:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*phxt*@*.hu] by luke-jr
17:02 <wrtlprnft> oh, i know spidey is annoying sometimes
17:02 <@luke-jr> ugh
17:02 <spidey> ?
17:02 <@luke-jr> he's still ctcp spamming me
17:02 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:02 <wrtlprnft> let's ban all americans!
17:02 <EvanR> no
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> luke-jr: request a k-line
17:02 <wrtlprnft> in fact
17:02 <@luke-jr> yeha, but digitx is like the only Hungarian player…
17:02 <wrtlprnft> ban everyone but me.
17:02 <@MrBougo_laptop> and me
17:02 <spidey> Lucifer: wrtlprnft wants to ban you
17:03 <@luke-jr> LOL
17:03 <spidey> luke-jr: civ in a sec
17:03 <spidey> it's still minimized :P
17:03 <@luke-jr> [10:05:33] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-akill-if-you-dont-stop request to phxt.
17:03 <@MrBougo_laptop> omg
17:03 <phxt> orly bougo ? :)
17:03 <@MrBougo_laptop> definitely request a whatever-line
17:03 <phxt> and kline.. pff .. ahh who cares?
17:03 <phxt> oh cmon
17:03 <phxt> tell for staff
17:03 <phxt> i'm bad :(
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> diigitx, your english seems to have a bit improved
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> i think
17:04 <phxt> who cares?
17:04  * wrtlprnft wonders what's so hard about just ignoring all ctcp requests from hungary…
17:04 <phxt> u understand me, so stfu
17:04 <EvanR> "only hungarian player"? he plays the game?
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> indeed
17:04 <phxt> i dont play armagetron
17:04 <@luke-jr> EvanR: I wonder
17:04 <Gursikh> /ignore ALL phxt ftw?
17:04 <@MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: yup he does
17:04 <phxt> yes
17:04 <@luke-jr> um
17:04 <phxt> maybe ignore me
17:04 <@luke-jr> where the heck did digitx come from anyhow?
17:04 <EvanR> phxt: you suck at armagetron?
17:04 <phxt> :D
17:05 <phxt> no.
17:05 <phxt> u want 1v1 with me?
17:05 <phxt> i can own you man
17:05 <EvanR> i think you do actually
17:05 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i've got better things to do.
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by luke-jr
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@unaffiliated/digitx] by luke-jr
17:05 <wrtlprnft> 17:05 Ignoring ALL from #armagetron
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o MrBougo_laptop] by luke-jr
17:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:05 <phxt> evanr... i can own you :)
17:05 <EvanR> not reall
17:06 <phxt> ok, 1v1 .. ? where?
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> or play tremulous?
17:06 <phxt> i can own you there too
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> whatakick ?
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o phxt] by ChanServ
17:06 <@phxt> pf
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o phxt] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> ...
17:06 <EvanR> wtf
17:06 <EvanR> not smart
17:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+ooo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop EvanR] by ChanServ
17:06 <phxt> cmon lets kick me
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 <Gursikh> ohh me too me too
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:06 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:06 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 <Gursikh> (for op)
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 -!- phxt was kicked from #armagetron by EvanR [EvanR]
17:07 -!- phxt [n=pHxT@unaffiliated/phxt] has joined #armagetron
17:07 <@luke-jr> um
17:07 <@MrBougo_laptop> jesus
17:07 <@luke-jr> wtf do we keep getting op'd
17:07 <phxt> wtf this is kickspam... :D i have autojoin !
17:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo luke-jr MrBougo_laptop EvanR] by ChanServ
17:07 <MrBougo_laptop> oh yea?
17:07 <phxt> sure
17:07 <+luke-jr> hmm
17:07 <phxt>  MrBougo_laptop hozzáadva a mellőzési listához.
17:07 <phxt> owwwwwww
17:07 <phxt> ignoreed
17:07  * luke-jr peers at wrtlprnft
17:08  * wrtlprnft peers at luke-jr 
17:08 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you're doing it?
17:08 <EvanR> what is k-line
17:08 <phxt> =D
17:08 <EvanR> how does that work
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: network ban
17:08 <phxt> whatanoobbbb???
17:08 <wrtlprnft> that last op was mine
17:08 <EvanR> luke-jr: how do they know his ip
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: …
17:08 <phxt> rofl
17:08 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: i c
17:08 <EvanR> luke-jr: is he not on anon proxy
17:08 <MrBougo_laptop> bah, the silent worked
17:08 <+luke-jr> EvanR: no
17:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: he lives in hungary
17:09 <EvanR> oh
17:09 <phxt> i dont need use nothing
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> what about a hungarian dict on armabot that would kick any hungarian word
17:09 <EvanR> then what is unaffiliated
17:09 <+luke-jr> lol
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> EvanR: a special cloak
17:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: freenode masking
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> provided by freenode
17:09 <EvanR> it sucks
17:09 <MrBougo_laptop> hehe
17:09 <+luke-jr> lol
17:09 <phxt> evan
17:09 <Gursikh> <--- special cloak!
17:09 <+luke-jr> wrtlprnft: civ? :þ
17:09 <phxt> lets see
17:09  * Gursikh hugs his cloak
17:09 -!- phxt is now known as seeeeee
17:09 <+luke-jr> cloaks are boring
17:09 <seeeeee> ok cmon
17:09 <seeeeee> whois me
17:09  * luke-jr shows off his IP address
17:10 <Gursikh> hee hee my hostname rocks too
17:10 <seeeeee> * [seeeeee] (n=pHxT@catv-5984ca3d.catv.broadband.hu): pHxT
17:10 <seeeeee> better?
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> Gursikh: youre a trem dev!
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> or not
17:10 -!- seeeeee is now known as phxt
17:10 <phxt> he is
17:10 -!- Gursikh is now known as Gursikh_lookatme
17:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no
17:10 <phxt> but he dont have admin rights on all server
17:10 <phxt> :D
17:10  * Gursikh_lookatme shows off his "ip"
17:10 <MrBougo_laptop> phxt: could you please shut the hell up
17:11 <+luke-jr> Gursikh_lookatme: you're khalsa!
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft: we could set a % ban on hungary
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> ZOMG! you found me out!
17:11 <+luke-jr> Gursikh_lookatme: when you gonna finish setting up that mirror?
17:11 <EvanR> luke-jr: so you wanted to use the new sockets api and make arma work on ipv6?
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> at least on his provider
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: uhhh some day when I get unlazy
17:11 <+luke-jr> EvanR: what new sockets api?
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: sometime soon
17:11 <EvanR> the one from 2000
17:11 <spidey> luke you noob
17:11 <spidey> you killed it
17:11 <+luke-jr> spidey: duh
17:11 <+luke-jr> n00bs ruined it
17:11 <Gursikh_lookatme> luke-jr: maybe after a nice nap this afternoon >.<
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> ?
17:11 <+luke-jr> so I restored the save
17:11 <spidey> now, what was my AI's name?
17:11 <MrBougo_laptop> ruined what
17:11 <+luke-jr> who cares
17:11 <+luke-jr> it remembers
17:12 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo_laptop: we could just wait for digitx to stfu by himself
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> ok guys, ima do my homework RIGHT NOW
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> wrtlprnft: indeed
17:12 <EvanR> luke-jr: did someone ridicule ipv6 and thats why armagetron doesnt have it?
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> he will get bored if we ignore him
17:12 <phxt> cmon go learn bugi
17:12 <phxt> cuz u sux :D
17:12 <MrBougo_laptop> brb :p
17:12 <phxt> bb, have fun
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: no>
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: nobody's had time to redo networkign :þ
17:13 <EvanR> 'redo' ?
17:13 -!- Gursikh_lookatme is now known as Gursikh
17:13 <+luke-jr> EvanR: ideally, it'd use XMPP for a lot of stuff
17:13 <EvanR> it shouldnt be that bad
17:13 <EvanR> i dont see how XMPP is related to this
17:13 <EvanR> isnt that an application layer thing
17:13 <+luke-jr> XMPP could be used for at least the master server list and MUC
17:14 <+luke-jr> not really
17:14 <phxt> Gursikh, 1v1? i need a practice
17:14 <Gursikh> phxt: can't i'm at school that blocks all UDP
17:14 <EvanR> how does XMPP related to the low level socket stuff
17:14 <phxt> k, np.
17:15 <+luke-jr> EvanR: it's part of the network module
17:16 <EvanR> and the network module is somehow highly dependent on ipv4?
17:16 <EvanR> is armagetron advanced a different program or just a newer version than armagetron
17:17 <+luke-jr> newer version
17:17 <+luke-jr> we renamed at 0.2.7
17:17 <EvanR> i tihnk the hardest part of porting is to change the way your program handles ip addresses, thats all
17:17 <+luke-jr> there is nothing inherently v4 dependent in the network module right now
17:18 <EvanR> and that may not even be necessary if it just uses strings
17:18 <+luke-jr> but moving the server list stuff to XMPP decentralizes it and allows for more extension
17:18 <EvanR> ok but how is xmpp related to the low level socket stuff
17:18 <EvanR> xmpp stuff still goes over tcp or udp right
17:18 <EvanR> it doesnt have to care about the network
17:19 <+luke-jr> TCP usually
17:19 <+luke-jr> but XMPP itself is network layer
17:19 <EvanR> :|
17:19 <EvanR> its a seperate library?
17:20 <EvanR> does it support ipv6/
17:20 <+luke-jr> yes
17:20 <EvanR> yes to both
17:20 <EvanR> then thats great
17:20 <+luke-jr> XMPP is a protocol, not a library
17:20 <EvanR> ok then....
17:20 <EvanR> it is not a network layer protocol though
17:21 <EvanR> that is ipv4 and ipv6
17:21 <+luke-jr> yes it is
17:21 <+luke-jr> XMPP is a high level network layer protocol
17:21 <EvanR> wait. you were literally telling me it uses "raw" sockets
17:21 <+luke-jr> no
17:21 <EvanR> i dont think we are using the same terminology
17:21 <+luke-jr> sockets are not part of a protocol
17:21 <EvanR> the only network layers that matter is ipv4 and ipv6
17:22 <EvanR> transport layer, tcp udp
17:22 <+luke-jr> and XMPP ☺
17:22 <EvanR> application layer xmpp
17:22 <+luke-jr> no
17:22 <+luke-jr> XMPP is network layer
17:22 <EvanR> without operating system support, its not
17:22 <+luke-jr> OS support is up to the OS
17:22 <EvanR> if it uses sockets, its higher than trasport
17:22 <+luke-jr> completely a different issue than the OS
17:22 <EvanR> unless it uses raw sockets
17:22 <+luke-jr> sockets are at every layer
17:23 <+luke-jr> or can be
17:23 <EvanR> what so XMPP hanles mac addresses
17:23 <EvanR> and determines routing
17:23 <+luke-jr> no
17:23 <+luke-jr> XMPP handles JIDs
17:23 <+luke-jr> and routes based on those
17:24 <EvanR> but it works over ipv4 or ipv6
17:24 <+luke-jr> it works over any reliable communications transport
17:24 <EvanR> so it works over tcp
17:24 <+luke-jr> it can
17:24 <+luke-jr> and usually does
17:25 <+luke-jr> just like Ethernet can work over TCP
17:25 <EvanR> no, it cant
17:25 <EvanR> ethernet is an electrical signalling protocol
17:25 <+luke-jr> …
17:26 <EvanR> anyway, im trying to understand how this in any way inhibits porting to ipv6
17:26 <+luke-jr> it doesn't
17:26 <+luke-jr> it's part of a transition
17:26 <EvanR> you are just confusing me saying that we have three network layers, ipv4 ipv6 and xmpp
17:26 <EvanR> which xmpp is not a network layer at all, in that sense
17:26 <+luke-jr> the IPv4-specific code needs to change to use XMPP in one part, and IPv6 in another
17:26 <+luke-jr> it is
17:27 <EvanR> are you manually creating the means to transport XMPP stuff
17:27 <EvanR> i think that is necessary
17:27 <+luke-jr> the means are undefined
17:27 <EvanR> what does tha tmean!
17:28 <EvanR> i can only see one way, a tcp socket
17:28 <+luke-jr> XMPP does not define any specific means to use it
17:28 <+luke-jr> nor do we use any at the moment
17:28 <EvanR> why are you talking about the standard
17:28 <EvanR> its not like you are going to make a armagetron pci card
17:28 <EvanR> which uses an ethernet cable
17:29 <EvanR> i thought were talking about the game armagetron
17:29 <+luke-jr> indeed
17:29 <EvanR> in that case. either you have to make a tcp socket to transport the XMPP data, or else you need to use a library to wrap it
17:29 <+luke-jr> right now we use some custom application layer protocol over UDP to get server lists
17:29 <EvanR> to make the tcp socket for you
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17:30 <+luke-jr> that needs to change to use a standard application layer protocol over XMPP
17:30 <EvanR> that is upside down
17:30 <+luke-jr> due to the latency requirements for actual gameplay, at some point we need to negotiate a UDP connection for low-latency traffic
17:31 <EvanR> your game is going to be partially over XMPP which is over tcp, which is over ipv4/6
17:31 <digitx> luke, how are u ? :o
17:31 <+luke-jr> correct
17:31 <digitx> thats good ;p
17:32 <EvanR> so basically anyone working on the lowest level can just ignore the fact that xmpp is happening
17:33 <+luke-jr> XMPP would be the lowest level for best effort communications
17:33 <EvanR> um no, tcp would
17:33 <EvanR> its not like XMPP is going to magically transport your data
17:34 <EvanR> unless theres something you havent told me, the lowest level stuff is in ipv4 and needs to be updated to use the new api
17:34 <+luke-jr> how XMPP transports the data is not our concern
17:34 <EvanR> who is OUR?
17:34 <+luke-jr> Armagetron
17:34 <+luke-jr> XMPP's means of transporting data is irrelevant
17:34 <EvanR> ummmm and whos concern is it to make sure it actually happens?
17:34 <+luke-jr> the XMPP router's
17:34 <EvanR> and do you have one?
17:34 <+luke-jr> sure
17:34 <EvanR> ?
17:34 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org has an XMPP router
17:35 <EvanR> you are sending the data to that site
17:35 <EvanR> or they have software to download
17:35 <EvanR> or what
17:35 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org is the XMPP equivalent of the subnet address in IP
17:35 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:35 <+luke-jr> dashjr.org is the XMPP subnet
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> or what
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <EvanR> are you sending the data to that site?
17:36 <+luke-jr> no
17:36 <+luke-jr> the data would be to a service in that subnet
17:37 <EvanR> you are going in circles, refusing to answer my questions
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> lol
17:37 <+luke-jr> so if we setup an XMPP router for armagetronad.net, the service might be servers.armagetronad.net
17:37 <EvanR> MrBougo_laptop: do you know whats going on?
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> nope
17:37 <EvanR> luke-jr: ok
17:37 <EvanR> so you have a server set up
17:37 <EvanR> to route XMPP traffic
17:37 <MrBougo_laptop> brb
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17:38 <EvanR> and this is what you are saying is not your concern
17:38 <+luke-jr> all the game's concern is that packets get from the source address to the destination address
17:38 <EvanR> no
17:38 <EvanR> the game has to get the data to that router
17:38 <EvanR> how do you think its going to happen
17:38 <+luke-jr> true
17:38 <+luke-jr> which often uses libraries
17:38 <EvanR> like what
17:39 <EvanR> libc sockets?
17:39 <+luke-jr> there's a number of them
17:39 <EvanR> so you are finally getting to the point
17:39 <EvanR> you are going to use a library to wrap the sockets?
17:39 <+luke-jr> no, libc sockets are too antiquated to understand anything but IP
17:39 <EvanR> so you are going to use a library to wrap sockets
17:39 <+luke-jr> a library is most practical for cross-platform
17:39 <EvanR> ok
17:40 <EvanR> which library
17:40 <EvanR> "its not our concern" ?
17:41 <+luke-jr> we haven't picked any out yet
17:41 <EvanR> sockets is the lowest level networking you can get, anything that wants to talk on the network uses that
17:41 <+luke-jr> on BSD, yes
17:41 <EvanR> no
17:41 <EvanR> on anything
17:41 <EvanR> windows, linux
17:41 <+luke-jr> Windows doesn't have BSD sockets
17:41 <EvanR> osx
17:41 <+luke-jr> they forked it for Winsock
17:41 <spidey> luke-jr: ally albert
17:41 <EvanR> ummm
17:41 <+luke-jr> which is close enough
17:41 <EvanR> luke-jr: winsock is exactly like sockets
17:42 <EvanR> sockets is not on BSD only
17:42 <EvanR> anyway, since you are going to use a library to do the low level networking as far as xmpp goes and you took forever to tell me that
17:42 <EvanR> what about the actual game
17:42 <EvanR> using a udp socket, or using a library to wrap it
17:43 <+luke-jr> right now it uses BSD sockets
17:43 <+luke-jr> which are a library just like everything else
17:43 <EvanR> except any other library wraps sockets
17:43 <EvanR> no other library can use networking
17:43 <EvanR> directly
17:43 <+luke-jr> not without being platform dependent, no
17:43 <EvanR> sockets is an OS service, not a library
17:43 <EvanR> now
17:44 <+luke-jr> XMPP could be an OS service too, if any implemented it
17:44 <EvanR> using sockets directly in a cross platform way isnt that hard
17:44  * spidey slaps luke-jr${noob}
17:44 <EvanR> luke-jr: who the fuck cares?
17:44 <spidey> ally albert!
17:44 <+luke-jr> spidey: he hasn't asked
17:44 <spidey> ask him
17:44 <spidey> -.-
17:44 <spidey> i need vision from him
17:44 <EvanR> am i missing something
17:44 <spidey> atm he won't cause you're neutral
17:44 <+luke-jr> he won't
17:45 <+luke-jr> he has a problem with our ally
17:45 <EvanR> im trying to understand your project
17:45 <spidey> who?
17:45 <spidey> our ally, or your ally? :P
17:45 <+luke-jr> Cornish
17:45 <spidey> yea, he's at war with them
17:46 <+luke-jr> if I break my alliance with him, my reputation will suffer
17:46 <+luke-jr> and then he won't ally with me cuz of that
17:46 <spidey> i got vision from arabs
17:46 <EvanR> who is the real network progrmamer
17:47 <Gursikh> Will the real network programmer please stand up!
17:47 <+luke-jr> nobody
17:47 <EvanR> does anyone here know anything about networking
17:47 <spidey> um
17:47 <+luke-jr> I do
17:47 <spidey> someone has vision with albert o.o
17:47 <EvanR> just making sure
17:47 <+luke-jr> I'm just not so narrow minded as to only see what's implemented
17:48 <EvanR> dont be a crackpot, talking about pci-card ethernet implementations all of which operates of xmpp in some quasi singularitarian energy-only medium where the matrix is simulated has nothing to do with actually making a game
17:49 <Gursikh> o_O
17:49 <EvanR> "none of this matters because java could be implemented on an abacus"
17:49 <EvanR> :|
17:49 <+luke-jr> PCI card doesn't come into the picture
17:50 <EvanR> not yet
17:50 <EvanR> you are too closed minded
17:50 <EvanR> think outside the box
17:50 <+luke-jr> some NICs implement parts of Ethernet, some implement all the way down to TCP/UDP
17:50 <spidey> or some have there own cpu
17:50 <spidey> ;p
17:50 <+luke-jr> where the implmentation of the network stack is irrelevant
17:50 <EvanR> :|
17:52 <EvanR> i asked a simple question, like how does xmpp have any bearing on porting to ipv6, and you start telling me how you have an upside down non standard network model where "ethernet works over tcp, tcp works over xmpp, and xmpp works on something irrelevant"
17:52 <EvanR> please implement ethernet on tcp
17:52 <+luke-jr> Ethernet can work over sockets
17:52 <+luke-jr> what do you think VPNs do?
17:52 <EvanR> i think you have no clue what ethenet is
17:53 <EvanR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_physical_layer
17:54  * luke-jr was obviously referred to the part that isn't inherently physical
17:55 <EvanR> how about to turn it upside down and talk real life
17:55 <EvanR> something irrelevant (YOUR GAME) works over xmpp
17:55 <EvanR> and xmpp work sover tcp
17:55 <EvanR> and tcp works over ipv4/6 sockets
17:55 <EvanR> not the other way around
17:55 <+luke-jr> Armagetron does nothing with XMPP right now
17:56 <+luke-jr> and whether XMPP uses TCP or something else is irrelevant
17:56 <EvanR> it is if you want ipv6 suppot
17:57 <EvanR> *not irrelevant
17:57 <+luke-jr> IPv6 support is almost trivial once XMPP support is done
17:58 <EvanR> why is that, xmpp has nothing to do with ipv6
17:58 <+luke-jr> because the code left over that deals with BSD sockets is a minority
17:58 <EvanR> i think the actual game is a lot more involved than your dumb server lister
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17:59 <+luke-jr> I think you have no clue and need to listen ☺
18:00 <EvanR> so far youve told me that all the work is being directed at making the list popular with servers
18:00 <EvanR> populate
18:00 <EvanR> listing servers is rather trivial
18:00 <EvanR> i made a server listing server in 10 minutes in python
18:01 <+luke-jr> using standards?
18:01 <+luke-jr> anyhow, the server list is just one piece of code that needs conversion
18:01 <+luke-jr> I was using it as an example
18:02 <EvanR> what else is there
18:02 <+luke-jr> MUC and authentication, primarily
18:02 <EvanR> what is MUC
18:02 <+luke-jr> multi-user chat
18:04 <EvanR> since its a standard, it sounds like you should get a library that auto generates xmpp traffic from your raw data
18:04 <EvanR> reimplementing it would be silly
18:04 <+luke-jr> indeed
18:04 <EvanR> the sockets wrapper, you want one that is not ipv6 ignorant
18:05 <+luke-jr> it wouldn't be a wrapper
18:05 <EvanR> yeah. it would be.
18:05 <+luke-jr> no
18:05 <+luke-jr> you don't seem to know what a wrapper is
18:05 <+luke-jr> often they're called bindings
18:05 <EvanR> lets stop and you tell me what platforms armagetron supports?
18:06 <EvanR> windows linux the bsd's macosx?
18:06 <+luke-jr> at least, yes
18:06 <EvanR> any operating system remotely similar to those implements operating system supported sockets api
18:06 <EvanR> since its a standard
18:06 <EvanR> ANY networking library uses sockets.
18:07 <+luke-jr> currently, yes
18:07 <+luke-jr> and our UDP stuff does too
18:07 <EvanR> i know yes!
18:08 <EvanR> you seem to think theres some other way to do networking with computers than the sockets api
18:08 <spidey> if ur not going to agree to bort as a mod.. what about skinhead plz??? input??
18:09 <spidey> er
18:09 <spidey> [10:45] <luke-jr> which are a library just like everything else
18:09 <+luke-jr> EvanR: there may be some day
18:09 <EvanR> some day when an operating system appears with no sockets api, and no software works on it
18:10 <EvanR> if any huge mega corps still exist at that time, they would be the only people with such a plan
18:11 <EvanR> not economically viable though
18:11 <+luke-jr> I didn't say no sockets API
18:11 <EvanR> better interfaces to the network can be implement using the sockets api, and thats where we are
18:11 <+luke-jr> I said not ONLY
18:14 <EvanR> anyway, to make the game as it is use ipv6, it would only be a matter of basically switching gethostbyname to getaddrinfo
18:14 <EvanR> its rather straight forward
18:14 <+luke-jr> the thing is, we don't want it to be "as it is"
18:14 <EvanR> ok
18:14 <+luke-jr> the transition to using XMPP where possible would be at the same time
18:15 <EvanR> alot more work, but yes
18:15 <EvanR> so what is the final product supposed to look like
18:16 <+luke-jr> the same
18:16 <+luke-jr> everything in this project is underlying
18:16 <EvanR> thats what im asking
18:16 <+luke-jr> not noticed by players much
18:16 <+luke-jr> except authentication
18:17 <spidey> luke-jr: timeout 0
18:17 <spidey> i need to reboot to add ram
18:18 <spidey> ups guy came few minutes ago
18:18 <spidey> my dogs out back where barking, he didn't know they where tied up
18:18 <spidey> he also didn't see me walk outside because i he was like frozen, waiting for them
18:19 <spidey> so my little chihuahua starts backing(he followed me out)
18:19 <spidey> the ups guy threw the package and about had a heart attack xD
18:19 <+luke-jr> spidey: hurry
18:20 <spidey> k
18:20 <spidey> brb
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18:23 <EvanR> doom completely works
18:24 <EvanR> with ipv4 at least
18:24 <+luke-jr> ?
18:24 <+luke-jr> who said anything about doom?
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18:27 <spidey> Mem:   1287240k total,   522888k used,   764352k free,
18:27 <spidey> :D
18:27 <EvanR> im using doom as a test for tcp and udp support
18:28 <spidey> ...
18:29 <spidey> while you're at it, make a ipv6 port of tremulous
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18:29 <+luke-jr> lol
18:30 <EvanR> spidey: if it uses sdl_net, it will in a minute
18:30 <EvanR> dont count on any games having very good latency on ipv6 though
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18:31 <spidey> q3 doesn't support ipv6
18:31 <spidey> there's a port somewhere of a q3 ipv6 server,but i forgot where i saw it
18:33 <EvanR> q3 is pretty much the only game with an ipv6 'version'
18:34 <EvanR> in reality you dont need a version, you just need to have it, or if you are paranoid, a menu option to disable it
18:34 <+luke-jr> lol
18:35 <EvanR> its like freenode, it has 2 servers that support ipv6, one of them has a vig IPV6 in the name, like it needs special attention
18:35 <EvanR> as in special olympics
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18:36 <+luke-jr> FreeNode doesn't support XMPP-MUC tho ☹
18:38 <+luke-jr> spidey:
18:38 <EvanR> ...freenode is an IRC network
18:38 <EvanR> it uses the IRC protocol
18:38 <EvanR> use jabber if you want xmpp
18:39 <spidey> luke-jr: what?
18:39 <+luke-jr> nothing about FreeNode needs to be IRC speficically
18:39 <EvanR> ...
18:39 <EvanR> and theres no reason the united states should not all switch to chinese
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18:40 <EvanR> freenode is an IRC network, if you want to create something like freenode with xmpp you are welcome to, but seriously, why would you call it freenode?
18:40 <spidey> ...
18:40 <spidey> nice
18:40 <spidey> i can use my scroll wheel to spam name changes
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18:46 <xfroggy> guys... when AFL starts?
18:46 <spidey> Gursikh: ask wtf i was banned from #tremulous for
18:46 <spidey> -.-
18:46 <spidey> nvm
18:47 <xfroggy> damn every time I come in here, people keep talking to themselves (hint: spidey)
18:47 <spidey> .....................................
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18:47 <xfroggy> ;D
18:47 <pavelo> xfroggy: http://durkas.info
18:48 <xfroggy> it's not stated there
18:48 <pavelo> look at the schedule
18:48 <xfroggy> Schedule section only says Week 1 - 7
18:48 <xfroggy> no date...
18:49 <pavelo> there are dates, its missing times though
18:49 <xfroggy> ah Oo
18:49  * xfroggy feels dumb
18:49 <xfroggy> ty pavelo :D
18:49 <pavelo> anytime
18:59 <Gursikh> spidey: ?
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19:32 <spidey> nvm
19:32 <spidey> ;p
19:32 <spidey> luke-jr: ping?
19:41 <spidey> luke-jr: you need gold or something? :P
19:42 <epsy> what's up with the master's dns ?
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20:18 <epsy> could someone help me with an arma-related problem ?
20:18 <epsy> i can't reach any master serv.
20:19 <wrtlprnft> err
20:19 <epsy> dns error it says me
20:20 <wrtlprnft> mathias@colin $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5; do resolveip master$i.armagetronad.net; done                                                      ~/bwinf
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master1.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master2.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master3.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master4.armagetronad.net is
20:20 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master5.armagetronad.net is
20:21 <epsy> seems i get them
20:21 <epsy> but slowly
20:21 <epsy> i'ill try edit my master list
20:21 <wrtlprnft> then your dns is messed up
20:21 <epsy> resolveip: Unable to find hostid for 'master2.armagetronad.net': try again
20:21 <epsy> same for 5th
20:21 <wrtlprnft> try in /etc/resolv.conf?
20:22 <epsy> ?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> until your provider fixes their DNS
20:22 <wrtlprnft> is the easiest to remember name server in existance :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> unless you count, which sometimes exists
20:24 <epsy> do i need to restart something ?
20:25 <epsy> eek
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm classic ...                   [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm high-rubber ...               [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy>  * Starting armagetronad server thecowsfarm htf ...                       [ ok ]
20:25 <epsy> lol
20:25 <epsy> old stuff
20:26 <epsy> doesn't work
20:31 <epsy> and it doesn't work either if i edit my master.srv using the IPs you provided there
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20:46 <epsy> nvm i'm starting to lag all over the network
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21:42 <ryanakca> Umm... I guess I'd have to create my own ~/.armagetronad/config/ , and then ~/.armagetronad/config/autoexec.cfg ?
21:44 <epsy> it should be created on arma's first run
21:45 <pavelo> what are you trying to do ?
21:45 <pavelo> epsy: i don't have a file with that name
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21:46 <pavelo> shouldn't that be ~/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg ?
21:46 <epsy> well
21:47 <epsy> ryanakca, what are you trying to do ?
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21:52 <ryanakca> pavelo: I don't have that either
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21:52 <ryanakca> epsy: the wiki says that I need to put all the camera settings it autoexec.cfg, otherwise I'll loose them. and somewhere's on the wikipage, I saw config/autoexec.cfg
21:52 <pavelo> but you have the directory ?
21:52 <epsy> ah
21:53 <pavelo> if so, then just create the file
21:53 <epsy> ~/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg
21:53 <ryanakca> I don't have config/
21:53 <ryanakca> ok, thanks
21:56 <pavelo> it would appear it's called config/ on windoze, and var/ on linux
21:56  * pavelo wonders why
21:57 <ryanakca> yeah, I'd have var/ then
21:57 <ryanakca> hmm... and why is it that 'Player_1 0x00ff00r0x0000ffy0x00ff00a0x0000ffn0x(alternate etc)akca only gives a green r?
21:58 <pavelo> i don't get it
21:59 <epsy> there's a lenght limit hopefully LOL
22:00 <pavelo> oh, right you only get enough space for one color code
22:00 <ryanakca> well, it only alternates the colors, r is green, y is blue, a is green, etc for nakca
22:01 <ryanakca> shucks!
22:01 <epsy> well, you can use this limit to cheat...but...well
22:02  * ryanakca can't see how you could use the limit to cheat... other than you set both your names the same, except your's is longer with extra letters/codes at the end...
22:02 <ryanakca> also, I had my car black and tail blue... how can I have it blue with a green tail?
22:03  * ryanakca reads more documentation
22:11 <pavelo> that used to be (anti-)popular at a certain time, but i think something was done about that
22:12 <ryanakca> what do you mean?
22:12 <pavelo> the name faking thing
22:12 <pavelo> and then polling the guy whose name you took
22:22 <ryanakca> ah
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22:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 73.0°F (3:38 PM CDT on October 08, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Falling).
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