IRCLogs for #armagetron in 2007-10-06 • ArmaNelgTron.tk

Log from 2007-10-06:
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01:34 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/automobiles/collectibles/16MANX.html?ex=1207022400&en=d8637e48516653ce&ei=5087&mkt=autoslink2
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01:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=Q5FIK4KGRLEZ1QFIQMFCFGGAVCBQYIV0?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2007/10/04/sciaster104.xml
01:53 <flex-> Lucifer, is it legal to play in the AFL for two teams?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> is that a serious question?
01:53 <flex-> yes lol
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> then my serious answer is "not just no, but hell no"
01:54 <flex-> what's so bad about playing for two teams?
01:54 <flex-> it's not like you can play at the same time if both teams are playing against each other or at the same specific time
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> you think about all the ways the two teams separate interests could come into conflict and then tell me
01:54 <flex-> well at the end of the day I only want to support a team lacking members..
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> pick one
02:01 <flex-> I really don't see major conflicts with it tbh.. as far as I can tell I'd be helping out a team get to atleast play
02:02 <spidey> lets say
02:03 <spidey> there's a match that has to be played twice
02:03 <flex-> right?
02:03 <spidey> should you be able to play for one team once, then another team the next?
02:03 <spidey> i think the main reason Lucifer_arma has the rules like that, is to try and prevent one team sending in a "sabatoge" player
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> you're working under the self-serving bias
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> eliminate that :)
02:04 <flex-> me?
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's exactly right.  THere's plenty of situations where you might decide not to play so hard on one team in order to help your other team's rank
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> that affects the seeding for the playoffs
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> what if both teams make the playoffs?
02:05 <flex-> I know the rule if was legal could be abused I understand that
02:05 <flex-> but where I am going with this is helping out a team that doesn't even have 6 members
02:05 <flex-> we know which team that is..
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> let's assume that you're intending to be a sabotage player for a minute
02:06 <spidey> then pick that team, unless you're on another ;p
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> you see a team that's short on players, and you see a perfect chance to game the situation for your other team's benefit
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> then play on the "I'm just trying to be nice!' theme
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying you are such a horrible, evil player
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to assume you're being nice
02:06 <flex-> hmm I don't think the AFL is that into it to start plotting evil plans lol
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I agree with spidey, if you want to help that team, then quit from your other team and join that one
02:07 <spidey> you'd be supprised what people would do to win something
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> can't have your cake and eat it and all that
02:07 <spidey> (cough,sp,cough)
02:07 <spidey> :D
02:07 <flex-> ok some situations I can answer, 1, I don't think they're going to get to play each other, and even if they do I'd go with my orginal team because at the end of the day I'm helping them out not trying to let them "loose" or "win"
02:08 <spidey> what team doesn't have enough players?
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not asking for an explantion of how you intend to behave
02:08 <flex-> so i guess that rules out sabotage?
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> we're not making an exception
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> but if you really want it, you've sabotaged the other team in two ways
02:08 <spidey> one exception leads to another, i know this from running a clan for 2 years :P
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  You helped them to join, and then in a critical game, you left them to be with someone else, leaving them short-handed
02:08 <spidey> you can't say no to one, and yes to another, and be fair
02:09 <flex-> nope, I understand the rules, not trying to change it either.. just you're not as right though
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  You've sabotaged their game by leaving them short-handed and given your team an advantage
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> fine, you can believe whatever you want about me
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> while you're off brooding, find some links to amateur competition leagues that allow people to be on more than one team
02:10 <flex-> but that's not entirely correct. I'm not sabotaging them by leaving for my original team
02:10 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: i can actually give you a example
02:10 <flex-> but then it brings up the question of how exactly do you regulate it..
02:10 <flex-> I'm sure you don't tbh
02:10 <flex-> if I was being evil would I be here asking for the rule
02:10 <spidey> i dunno if it was illegal, but people that played in the fortress tournies played for multiple teams
02:10 <spidey> eg, if one was short, then they'd go get someone else
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that's explicitly disallowed in AFL
02:11 <flex-> yeah that happened at the laddle i think
02:11 <spidey> it kinda pissed me off at one point
02:11 <spidey> like
02:11 <spidey> my team would be playing against 5 people that wasn't even registered on the other
02:11 <spidey> it's kinda like cheating the other team
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> for a tourney that runs all in one day, I can see the need to be more flexible
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> but we need to have relatively static teams over time for the competition to mean anything
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, flex, it's very simple
02:12 <flex-> no problem, I understand
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> we don't/can't enforce certain restrictions, you're bound by the honor system
02:12 <flex-> i see where it can be abused
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> there are logs that will expose you, and we may actually look at them
02:12 <flex-> let's just hope we don't have people actually doing it then
02:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: there is a way
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> if someone brings a complaint, playing both sides of the fence will almost certainly go against you
02:13 <spidey> require server logs of the players ip of each match
02:13 <spidey> compare them as time goes by
02:13 <flex-> was that even checked last afl
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, it wasn't
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> but the last afl was a test to figure out what it takes to run a league like this
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of rules weren't enforced at all, or were loosely enforced
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> none changed, though.  I was surprised about that
02:14 <flex-> you're saying rules were broken?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> also, a lot of stuff doesn't get enforced unless someone brings a complaint
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah.  There were several games lacking recordings
02:15 <flex-> ah, yeah
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> all the server admins last time offered their logs in lieu of recordings
02:16 <flex-> I did think the profanity and general sportsmanship was lacking
02:16 <spidey> erm
02:16 <spidey> i'm supposed to run the afl server we host with recording enabled?
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to have access to the logs if need be, but there's a certain amount of privacy to be protected in that regard
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, it wouldn't hurt that much during the games, but it's not necessary
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> server-side recordings can't be played back in a client, so they're not terribly useful
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> we need client-side recordings so we can actually *see* what happened
02:17 <spidey> k
02:17 <flex-> I thought the AFL went quite well actually
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it did :)
02:17 <spidey> ffs
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> I am concerned that in a longer season that's a bit more competitive, problems that didn't show up over the summer will show up now
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> could be interesting :)
02:17 <spidey> luci, can i untar a tarball to /mnt/sdb1 ?
02:18 <spidey> i tried with ark
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: if there's a drive there, and if you have write permissions, yes
02:18 <spidey> but it keeps telling me ark crashed
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> eek, I hate ark
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> ark is a big piece of shit
02:18 <spidey> heh
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> complete waste of code
02:18 <spidey> can i do it without the tarball being on that partition?
02:18 <spidey> i have rw to it
02:18 <spidey> i chmod's the drive to 777
02:18 <spidey> s/'s/'d
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> should work fine, long as you give a good path to tar
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> cd to it first
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> cd /mnt/sdb1 && tar -xzvf /path/to/tarball.tar.gz
02:19 <spidey> ffs
02:19 <spidey> i'm retarded
02:19 <spidey> -.-
02:19 <spidey> i was looking for a option like -o for that!
02:20 <spidey> alrighty
02:20 <spidey> 87gb tarball extracting
02:20 <spidey> xD
02:21 <spidey> took me a hour and a half to compress it =/
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02:55 <Durka> hi flex-
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03:04 <flex-> lol
03:05 <flex-> did you tell durka or something lucifer lol, so he can have a go at me :P
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> no?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> #m Durka The requested URL /afl/schedule.php was not found on this server.
03:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> who wants a cookie?
03:23 <tramshed> is it peanut butter?
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> no
03:27 <tramshed> fail.
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> you don't want a cookie, then?
03:28 <tramshed> maybe
03:28 <tramshed> choices suck
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's a yes/no choice, what's so hard about tthat?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Yes, Luci, I want a cookie"
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> or, "Fuck no, Luci, I don't want a cookie"
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> or "Fuck yeah!  I want one!"
03:29 <tramshed> YES I WANT A COOKIE, AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
03:29 <tramshed> like that?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> #cookie tramshed
03:29 <armabot> A cookie has been sent to tramshed, it should arrive shortly.
03:29 <flex-> lol
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else want a cookie?
03:30 <flex-> did it arrive?
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> man, if you think I'm annoying now, wait until next semester
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'm taking logic :)
03:32 <tramshed> wheres mah cookie?
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/10/5/28265
03:34 <flex-> very interesting
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> who wants some licorice?
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03:42 <flex-> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/10/05/sciwater105.xml
03:42 <flex-> beat that america :P
03:44  * tramshed points to hiroshima
03:44 <tramshed> win.
03:46 <flex-> that genetic engineering reminds me of blade runner.. damn that movie rocks..
03:46 <tramshed> yes, yes it does.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-drop_experiment  <--- beaten
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's heavier?  2000 pounds of oil or 2000 pounds of water?
03:49 <flex-> hmm I don't know and I think it's a trick question because oil floats right, so is it oil?
03:49 <Khalsa> the wieght of your words expectin someone to fall for it
03:49 <Khalsa> >_>
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> someone fell for it :)
03:49 <Khalsa> omg
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> they weigh the same
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> 2000 pounds is 2000 pounds :)
03:49  * Khalsa underestimated the stupidity of the internets
03:49 <flex-> haha
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> how many steps are in a 22-count kata?
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03:50 <flex-> i have no idea
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> 22
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> for the record, oil floats in water because it's less dense than water, so 2000 pounds of oil would have greater volume than 2000 pounds of water
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03:53 <Lucifer_arma> sorry flex
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> I asked my daughter that same question, and she said they were the same weight
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> she's 8
03:53 <flex-> lol, I wasn't actually thinking the question being asked :P
03:53 <Khalsa> the classic question is which wieghs more, a 1 pound brick or a 1 pound feather
03:54 <flex-> or which is heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> a pound of dick or a pound of brain?
03:55 <spidey> ...
03:55 <Khalsa> pound of dick obvoiusly
04:06 <flex-> ok i got one :P
04:06 <flex-> If an electric train  is going 150 miles per hour north and the wind is blowing the same south, which way does the smoke blow?
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> electric trains don't blow smoke :)
04:10 <flex-> A farmer has 17 sheep and all but 9 die. How many are left?
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> 9
04:11 <flex-> Which weighs the most, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> they weigh the same...
04:13 <flex-> "Gold and feathers are weighed the different units. when converted to the same unit, feathers weigh more
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> which units are those?
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> I realize that "pound" has more than one meaning
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.wikihow.com/Measure-Your-Bra-Size
04:16 <flex-> http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=4564&start=8&sid=249d18469219097466678b8d0fa849af
04:20 <tramshed> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128341845642968750spartanstoni.jpg
04:24 <flex-> so we're talking normal pounds which then feathers weigh more :P
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, not really
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> that thread was right, it would have been better to use ounces in the question :)
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> my statics teacher managed to confuse me with pounds anyway
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> consider this:
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> pounds(force) are one of the base units in the US Customary system
04:27 <flex-> kilograms might be better
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> not really.  :)  Then we argue over what weight means.
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, pounds(force) are a base unit in the US
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> but kilograms is a mass unit
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> so there's not a direct conversion between them
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> apparently a lot of people are trying to redefine the pound as a mass unit instead of a force unit, but leave all the numbers the same
04:28 <Khalsa> I would've said "lbs" but a lot of non-us people dont get that
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> so if you weigh 150 pounds(force), you'll still weigh 150 pounds(mass)
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> but that's a physical impossibility, according to Newton's second law, Force is mass * acceleration
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> so one pound(force) is some value of mass * 9.81 m/s^2
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> so one pound(mass) has to be one pound(force)/32.2 ft/s^2
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, kilogram is a mass unit, and "weight" is customarily thought of as a Force unit
04:30  * Khalsa isn't allowed to think at this time
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> but outside the US, people say weight about the kilogram, which just confuses things
04:30 <flex-> i see
04:30 <flex-> lol
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> but the way it's normally thought, if I weigh 150 pounds on the earth, I weigh 150/6 pounds on the moon
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> but if I "weigh" 400 Kg on the earth, I still "weigh" 400 Kg on the moon
04:31 <flex-> so which one is best to use?
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> use pounds if you're a woman
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> use Kilograms if you're a man
04:31 <flex-> kg or lbs?
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe use kilograms if you're a woman, Newtons if you're a man :)
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> I have a preference for using SI units for computations
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> precisely because they're clearer than US customary units
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> Newtons = Kg * m/s^2
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> see?
04:33 <flex-> i never listened in class so no :P
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> but if I'm only working with forces, it doesn't matter :)
04:34 <Khalsa> i never use US units unless i'm forced to
04:34 <Khalsa> Imperial units make no damn sense
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's a couple of imperial units I don't want to live without
04:34 <Khalsa> (horse power)
04:34 <spidey> talking about taking forever
04:34 <spidey> i didn't think that thing would ever be done extracting -.-
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> nah, horse power is worthless
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> I like the foot
04:35 <spidey> me too
04:35 <Khalsa> hell naw
04:35 <Khalsa> meter ftw
04:35 <spidey> it has 4 toes
04:35 <spidey> and a big toe
04:35 <spidey> big stub*
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, but it's a lot easier to estimate distances in feet than in meters :)
04:35 <Khalsa> how?
04:35 <spidey> old feet or new age feet ? xD
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> (and before you say "but you never use meters!" try to remember that a meter is approximately equal to a yard)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> something approximately foot-sized corresponds to regular body part measurements
04:36 <Khalsa> I estimate distances in meters just fine
04:36 <Khalsa> it's just what you grew up with / know best mostly
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> think of it like cubits being useful because everybody knows what a cubit is, even if the measurement changes from person to person
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, estimate something that's about a meter and a half long
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I can say a yard and a half
04:37 <spidey> well that's easy, luke-jr${noob} 's height
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> or I can be more precise with 4 feet or 5 feet
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I *can* estimate in thirds of a meter just fine
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I can work with integers just fine
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> but trying to estimate in fractions is, imo, inherently more difficult than using integers with a smaller unit
04:38 <Khalsa> 150cm ?
04:39 <Khalsa> and cubit is "officially" 45.somthing cm
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> once you get up to about 10, feet become useless and meters more useful
04:39 <Khalsa> iirc
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> below a foot, centimeters are as useful as inches, imo, even though I'm used to inches
04:39 <Khalsa> My uncle uses hands for everything
04:40 <spidey> Khalsa: word of advice, don't try arguing with luci :P
04:40 <Khalsa> he buys some property and measure it in hands then tells me how many acres >_>
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea how big an acre is
04:40 <Khalsa> we're not arguing, it's just a point of personal preference
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather have m^3 :)
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> or if I'm buying land for my own house, I'd rather have km^3
04:41 <Khalsa> lol I just remember ~~4050m^2
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> er, squared
04:41 <flex-> kilometers or miles?
04:41 <Khalsa> it's some retarded number of yards (as usual with the imperial system)
04:41 <Khalsa> meters
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> miles are abbreviated "mi"
04:42 <Khalsa> lol 1 acre = 1 furlong x 1 chain >_>
04:42 <tramshed> full of ladybugs.
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I read that as "1 furlong cross 1 chain"
04:42 <flex-> how old is your uncle :P
04:43 <Khalsa> unle is in his 60's
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> making acre a vector
04:43 <Khalsa> yeah, that's a hell of an acre >_>
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> we don't use the whole imperial system anymore, though
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> like, for soft drinks, we often use liters
04:44 <Khalsa> @work we use SI stuff, but people on the domestic side of my job use imperial. They carry around 3 calculators... I carry none
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> and last I checked, they were the actual SI liter, not some weird usian liter
04:44 <Khalsa> ^^ shows how useful imperial is
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how many are in a mol?
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of units being defined as useless because they're not an even power of ten :)
04:44 <Khalsa> MOLE DAY!
04:45 <Khalsa> one avagadro's number of course
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> and avacado's number is ... ?
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> is it an even power of 10?
04:45 <Khalsa> uhhh
04:45 <Khalsa> 6 point something by ten to the 23
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> so it's some fucked up number?
04:46  * Khalsa looks it up
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> 6.02 x 10^23
04:46 <Khalsa> 6.022×1023
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> unless you need more than 3 sig figs
04:46 <Khalsa> that's 10^23
04:46 <tramshed> I may be a linux nerd, but man am I glad im not a math nerd
04:46 <Khalsa> it's super usefull in describing atomic, molecular stuffs
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> why do we have a big G in the theory of gravity?
04:47 <Khalsa> stop it Lucifer_arma
04:47 <Khalsa> i'm not supposed to be thinking
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you're precious newtons were a sensible unit, the theory of gravity would be Mm/r^2 :)
04:47 <tramshed> if I was a linux AND a math nerd I would never get laid
04:47  * Lucifer_arma has three kids, so you can just shut the fuck up.  :)
04:47 <flex-> haha
04:47 <tramshed> and id end up working out a forumla that would explain why
04:47 <tramshed> hah
04:47 <tramshed> they must of been from your pre-nerd days
04:48 <tramshed> you teachin your kids this?
04:48 <tramshed> if so thats pretty cool
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> a likelier explanation is that I've grown out of such sophomoric categorizations
04:48 <tramshed> lies!
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, my daughter did pick up on the pounds question quite nicely :)
04:48 <tramshed> nice
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's hot, too
04:50 <flex-> it's a common sense question :P
04:50 <flex-> something clearly I lack I guess
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a cookie
04:50 <armabot> I have sent a cookie to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:51 <flex-> does it come with pics of your wife? :P
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> no
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to take my word for it
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> just try to remember there's a difference between "hot chick" and "hot party chick"
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> hot chicks like smart guys, hot party chicks don't
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> generally
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04:53 <flex-> you really wanted to send me a cookie huh?
04:53 <flex-> now I can go bed :)
04:53 <flex-> gn
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a good_dream
04:53 <armabot> I have sent a good_dream to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there's no accounting for "the rest of the line"
04:54 <flex-> lol oh yeah well atleast i got you back with that pounds shit :P
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> umm, sure :)
04:54  * flex- raises hand on beating lucifer
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> thing is, pounds are either a force for me, or I don't acknowledge them
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm still right, because your precious troy units are useless :)
04:55 <flex-> lol
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> the troy pound was declared illegal in 1867!
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> #send flex- a bobby
04:59 <armabot> I have sent a bobby to flex-, it should arrive shortly.
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> Khalsa: oh yeah, here's something else
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> imperial unit conversions are all sixteenths and twelfths for a reason
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> if a number is a multiple of 12, it's also a multiple of 2, 3, and 4
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> and 6
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> if it's a multiple of 10, it's only also a multiple of 2 and 5
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> when you don't have calculators to work with (or even slide rules), working with the "weird" imperial units can be a lot easier
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same reason there's 360 degrees in a circle
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> and numbers used in daily transactions are kept to a minimum of digits
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> try to put yourself in the shoes of a medieval merchant having to weigh stuff out and price it
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> the metric system arose largely in response to a scientific need for standard measurements
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's unique about the metric system is that it was standardized from the beginning, the old british system never really was
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my weight is around 850 Newtons
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I can see Newtons as a useful unit of weight giving out pretty quickly
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> just something to think about.  the old imperial units aren't as senseless as it sounds, they're actually very practical
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> with some standardizing, so that no single unit word means more than one thing (as US gallons and UK gallons can attest), they'd be very useful units
05:09 <Khalsa> lies
05:09 <Khalsa> lies damned lies
05:09 <Khalsa> all of it
05:10 <Khalsa> Ju know, just as well as I do. That these days the imperial system is mostly not worth it
05:10 <Khalsa> and calculations on 10 are the win
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05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I disagree :)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I find it useful to think in qts and ounces.  I can do many more conversions with those than I can with liters and shit
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's important for someone as arithemetically challenged as I am
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> hell, if the british system had been well-standardized in 1850, the metric system would have been denounced as another worthless French invention
05:20 <Khalsa> prolly
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> Gottfried Leibniz independently made proposals similar to those of Mouton.  <--- was he just a fucking copycat artist?
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> It is believed that the system was transmitted to France from England via the likes of Benjamin Franklin (who spent a great deal of time in London), and produced the by-product of the decimalised paper currency system, before finding favour with American revolutionary ally Louis XV.  <--- interesting little irony
05:37 <Khalsa> US+France = Fun
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's a fun story
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06:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob} freeciiiiiiiiiv?
06:57 <luke-jr> maybe
07:20 <luke-jr> just woke up >_<
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> if godtodd plays :)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> #send godtodd an SOS
07:22 <armabot> I have sent an SOS to godtodd, it should arrive shortly.
07:22 <luke-jr> kill -9 spidey's bash is fun
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> does the alias command let you grab the rest of the line after a certain point?
07:22 <luke-jr> …
07:22 <luke-jr> alias ls='ls -lh'
07:23 <luke-jr> ls foo
07:23 <spidey> stop...
07:23 <spidey> -.-
07:23 <luke-jr> ls() { ls "$@" -lh; }
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> #send spidey a big black dildo
07:24 <armabot> I have sent a big black dildo to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma a rootkit
07:25 <armabot> I have sent a rootkit to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> #send these united states
07:25 <armabot> I have sent united states to these, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> #send France these united states
07:25 <armabot> I have sent these united states to France, it should arrive shortly.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, is there a way to resolve the pronoun so it works with anything that comes up?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> #karma Lucifer_arma
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: can we get the karma plugin loaded?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: http://supybot.com/documentation/plugins/karma/document_view
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add cookie "send $1 a cookie"
07:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> #cookie luke-jr
07:29 <armabot> I have sent a cookie to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
07:31 <luke-jr> #send Iraq Bush as a war criminal
07:31 <armabot> I have sent Bush as a war criminal to Iraq, it should arrive shortly.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 lbs to newtons
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 pounds to newtons
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> bullshit
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 pounds to kilograms
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4.5359237
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's a useless feature
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 celcius to fahrenheit
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: celcius is not a valid unit.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 10 C to F
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 50.0
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> #convert 100 C to F
07:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 212.0
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> still useless
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove finc
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove cinf
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add finc echo "You don't need this, just use Math convert"
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add cinf echo "You don't need this, just use Math convert"
07:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #finc
07:34 <armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> #finc 55
07:34 <armabot> You don't need this, just use Math convert
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units lbs
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid (1 more message)
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units force
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: force units: newton, N, dekanewton, kilonewton, kN, meganewton, millinewton, dyne, kg force, kgf, kilogram force, gram force, pound force, lbf, ton force, ounce force, ozf
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it wants pounds specified as force
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #convert pound force pound mass
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: forcepoundmass is not a valid unit.
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> #units mass
07:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: mass units: kg, kilogram, key, hectogram, dekagram, gram, g, decigram, centigram, milligram, mg, microgram, tonne, metric ton, megagram, kilotonne, carat, ct, amu, atomic mass unit, pound, lb, lbm, ounce, oz, lid, ton, kiloton, slug, stone, grain
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> #convert lbf lbm
07:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: unit categories did not match
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
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07:37 <luke-jr> …
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> #send luke-jr a better internet connection
07:37 <armabot> I have sent a better internet connection to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
07:38 -!- luke-jr is now known as luke-jr_
07:38 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as luke-jr
07:38 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
07:38 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
07:39 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma hachi.dashjr.org:5555
07:39 <armabot> I have sent hachi.dashjr.org:5555 to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> is godtodd playing?
07:39 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma if we force him to
07:39 <armabot> I have sent if we force him to to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> #units force
07:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: force units: newton, N, dekanewton, kilonewton, kN, meganewton, millinewton, dyne, kg force, kgf, kilogram force, gram force, pound force, lbf, ton force, ounce force, ozf
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's a kg force unit?
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram-force
07:43 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma hachi.dashjr.org:5555
07:43 <armabot> I have sent hachi.dashjr.org:5555 to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma "are you coming?"
07:47 <armabot> I have sent are you coming? to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> is godtodd there?
07:47 <spidey> i am
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> you're not godtodd :)
07:47 <spidey> NO BUT I'M GOD
07:47 <luke-jr> #send Lucifer_arma GodTodd
07:47 <armabot> I have sent GodTodd to Lucifer_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hang on a sec, I can probably play for a little bit
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> but hang on a minute or two
07:49 <spidey> btw
07:49 <spidey> i'm leaving when luci does
07:49 <spidey> cause i'm tired
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:49 <spidey> i haven't slept in
07:49 <spidey> 24 hours in 5 hours :D
07:50 <luke-jr> I just woke up
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08:02 <MrBougo> hello :
08:02 <MrBougo> i've got my dell laptop :D
08:02 <MrBougo> no dead pixi
08:02 <MrBougo> everything's ok till now
08:05 <GodTodd> #send luke-jr a big fuck you
08:05 <armabot> I have sent a big fuck you to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
08:05 <MrBougo> lol
08:06 <MrBougo> #help send
08:06 <armabot> MrBougo: (send <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $2 $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
08:06 <MrBougo> why $2 $*
08:06 <MrBougo> wouldnt it work with $*
08:06 <MrBougo> oh nope nvm
08:06 <MrBougo> it parses "progressively"?
08:07 <MrBougo> if it sees a $2 before a $*, $* counts for $3 and more?
08:07 <MrBougo> #alias add send "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly."
08:07 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
08:07 <MrBougo> #send someone somethingy test
08:07 <armabot> I have sent somethingy test to someone, it should arrive shortly.
08:08 <MrBougo> #send someone
08:08 <armabot> I have sent to someone, it should arrive shortly.
08:08 <MrBougo> GodTodd: nothing's wrong with that
08:08 <GodTodd> and i said there was?
08:08 <MrBougo> nevah
08:08 <MrBougo> and i said you said there was?
08:09 <GodTodd> you seem to be trying to teach me how i could have doen an alias better when i didn't even do the alias :P
08:09 <GodTodd> done*
08:09 <MrBougo> :(
08:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma:
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08:21 <Lucifer_arma_> #ping
08:22 <armabot> pong
08:22 <MrBougo> lol spidey, the Lucifer_arma_ invocation was a success
08:22  * MrBougo is happy with his dell
08:22 <MrBougo> it's heavy though
08:22 <MrBougo> but thats not a problem
08:23 <MrBougo> there's one problem... my network card is sucky
08:23 <MrBougo> not the one on my dell, the one on my desktop pc
08:25 <spidey> Lucifer_arma_:
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08:26 <MrBougo> lol spidey how do you do that
08:26 <Lucifer_clone> man
08:26 <Lucifer_clone> luke-jr: do you have ai status toggles with connection turned on?
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08:27 <luke-jr> no clue
08:29 <MrBougo> windows vista sucks
08:29 <luke-jr> no duh
08:29 <MrBougo> even without windows vista installed i still have problems with it
08:29 <luke-jr> lol
08:29 <MrBougo> i downloaded a *** driver for vista
08:29 <MrBougo> and tried to install it on xp
08:29 <MrBougo> guess what? it didnt work
08:29 <luke-jr> PIRACY!
08:29 <MrBougo> then i figured out that i was doing stupid stuff
08:30 <MrBougo> i clicked the wrong link :/
08:30 <MrBougo> can someone tell me why my 100 mbit ethernet adapter is going at 2 mbit
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08:30 <Durka> #hello
08:30 <MrBougo> hellows Durka
08:30 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #32: "i2020> sure you can... who told you that, little lukie wookie" (added by spidey at 07:34 PM, November 05, 2006)
08:30 <MrBougo> haha
08:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: it sucks
08:31 <MrBougo> what sucks?
08:31 <luke-jr> your laptop?
08:31 <MrBougo> my ethernet adapter
08:31 <MrBougo> nah luke-jr, its not on my laptop
08:31 <MrBougo> its on my desktop
08:31 <luke-jr> what makes you think it's going at 2 mbit?
08:31 <MrBougo> older one
08:31 <MrBougo> err
08:31 <MrBougo> stop making me worry
08:32 <MrBougo> i tried to transfer files from the desktop to my laptop
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08:32  * MrBougo runs yukon diagnostics
08:32 <luke-jr> how?"
08:32 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
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08:34 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
08:34 <Bougo> it's an onboard card... and the disconnecting wasnt a problem, it's only the diagnostic tool :p
08:34 <Bougo> jesus, that tool is useless
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08:35 <Bougo> stop talking to MrBougo luke
08:35 <Bougo> could you send the msgs again? :p
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08:35 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i think i know how i can fix this...
08:35 <MrBougo> err not fix, but identify the problem
08:36 <luke-jr> You have MDI-X cables?
08:36 <MrBougo> i should directly connecting my computers together
08:36 <MrBougo> connect*
08:36 <MrBougo> MDI-X?
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08:36 <luke-jr> you can't directly connect PCs unless your sure the network cable is MDI-X
08:37 <MrBougo> i guess the X means crossed
08:37 <MrBougo> or something
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08:37 <luke-jr> yes
08:38 <MrBougo> i guess my ethernet cable that goes from the PC to the router is MDI-X
08:38 <luke-jr> unlikely
08:38 <luke-jr> unless you intentionally bought it that way
08:38 <GodTodd> MrBougo: pc -> router is typically straight through
08:38 <luke-jr> ideally, everything would be MDI-X
08:40 <MrBougo> GodTodd: PC <-> Router
08:40 <MrBougo> i can use internet, right?
08:40 <luke-jr> …
08:40 <MrBougo> what
08:41 <MrBougo> did i say something wrong :p
08:41 <GodTodd> you don't need my permission to use internet... :P
08:41 <MrBougo> bleh
08:41  * GodTodd doesn't understand the question.
08:41 <MrBougo> i connect to the internet through that router
08:42 <GodTodd> ok...
08:42 <MrBougo> and theres that ethernet cable... i guess itd mdi-x
08:42 <GodTodd> why do you guess that?
08:42 <GodTodd> MrBougo: pc -> router is typically straight through
08:42 <MrBougo> why :/
08:42 <MrBougo> beh
08:42 <GodTodd> pc -> pc is typically crossover
08:43 <MrBougo> blah
08:43 <MrBougo> how can i know what kind of cable it is
08:43 <luke-jr> look at the ends
08:43 <luke-jr> inside the connector, there are colours
08:43 <GodTodd> the end connections
08:43 <luke-jr> if they are the same order, it is straight thru
08:45 <MrBougo> ok
08:47 <MrBougo> omg i'm a noob
08:47 <GodTodd> MrBougo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_dependent_interface
08:48 <GodTodd> that's for the "why?" above :)
08:50 <MrBougo> brb, gotta unplug my cable
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08:52 <Bougo> it's straight
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08:53 <GodTodd> that would have been my guess
08:54  * GodTodd tends to have a xover cable on hand in case he needs to make direct pc -> pc connections
08:54 <GodTodd> not sure how cheap/xpensive cabling is in belgium tho :)
08:55 <luke-jr> blarg
08:55 <luke-jr> I think my cables are 10/100 MDI-X, not gbit
09:05 <MrBougo> #ping
09:05 <armabot> pong
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09:28 <wrtlprnft> #list karma
09:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
09:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ping
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09:38 <MrBougo> luke-jr: nothings wrong actually :/
09:39 <MrBougo> 2.1 MBps seems to be a normal transfer speed
09:39 <MrBougo> for 802.11g
09:41  * GodTodd bets luke-jr's next line was/will be "liar" :)
09:43 <luke-jr> MrBougo: that's not wired
09:43 <luke-jr> and depends on # of clients
09:43 <MrBougo> luke-jr: o rly :(
09:44 <MrBougo> i was thinking about doing something wired because wireless seemed to be a bit slow
09:44 <MrBougo> anyway... i only need fast transfer speed for my backups
09:44 <MrBougo> and i have usb disk drives
09:44 <MrBougo> so it's ok
09:45 <luke-jr> USB is slow
09:45 <MrBougo> i lost time wondering how i could do it faster
09:45 <MrBougo> luke-jr: is it slower than 2 MBps? i doubt it
09:45 <luke-jr> potentially
09:45 <luke-jr> depends on USB version and CPU
09:46 <luke-jr> USB 1 would be 1.5 MBps at most
09:47 <MrBougo> nah, it'ss USB2
09:47 <luke-jr> your USB port is?
09:47 <MrBougo> Up to 480 Mbit/s (USB 2.0)
09:48 <MrBougo> it's USB2 too
09:48 <luke-jr> up to
09:48 <luke-jr> depends on CPU and HD now
09:48 <MrBougo> the USB-IDE adapter is USB2
09:48 <MrBougo> and my USB card is 2 too
09:48 <MrBougo> and i know it's "up to"
09:48 <luke-jr> USB is ties to your CPU
09:49 <MrBougo> 420 megabits = 52.5 megabytes
09:49 <MrBougo> huh? USB what?
09:49 <MrBougo> my cpu isnt *that* bad
09:50 <MrBougo> err
09:50 <luke-jr> USB doesn't support DMA
09:50 <MrBougo> did you see "that" in bold?
09:50 <luke-jr> so every bit of data has to go thru the CPU
09:50 <luke-jr> no
09:50 <MrBougo> ok
09:50 <MrBougo> i dont mind about the cpu
09:50 <MrBougo> anyway
09:50 <MrBougo> thats an interesting fact
09:51 <MrBougo> now i see why it's freaking taking 80% of my spu
09:51 <MrBougo> cpu*
09:51 <luke-jr> lol
09:51 <MrBougo> never use windows, zonealarm and transfer files at the same time while trying to use firefox
09:51 <MrBougo> or it will crash
09:51 <luke-jr> lol
09:52 <MrBougo> at least if you have a pentium4
09:52 <MrBougo> *sigh*
09:52 <luke-jr> Zonealarm is unnecessary on Linux
09:52 <luke-jr> FireFox too
09:52 <MrBougo> i know :D
09:52 <MrBougo> that's why i love linux
09:52 <MrBougo> what about firefox
09:52 <luke-jr> so you're reduced to just KDE
09:52 <luke-jr> FireFox is unnecessary
09:52 <MrBougo> indeed
09:52 <MrBougo> on windows too
09:52 <luke-jr> it may be the best for Windoze, but on Linux we have better
09:52 <MrBougo> you can use IE when you're on windows
09:52 <luke-jr> actually, not even the best for Windows anymore
09:53 <luke-jr> IE sucks
09:53 <MrBougo> agreed
09:53 <MrBougo> thats why i use Fx
09:53 <MrBougo> so whats the best? opera?
09:53 <luke-jr> nah
09:53 <luke-jr> Safari or Konqueror
09:53 <MrBougo> safari?
09:53 <MrBougo> right
09:53 <MrBougo> theres a Konqueror for windows?
09:53 <luke-jr> no
09:53 <luke-jr> Safari on Win/Mac
09:53 <MrBougo> thought so too
09:53 <luke-jr> Konqueror on Linux
09:53 <luke-jr> actually
09:53 <luke-jr> Konqueror 4 will support Windows
09:54 <MrBougo> aha!
09:54 <luke-jr> as will KDE
09:54 <MrBougo> what the......
09:54 <MrBougo> hel?
09:54 <MrBougo> l*
09:54 <MrBougo> did i read it in the same way you wrote it
09:55 <luke-jr> KDE 4 will support Windows
09:55 <MrBougo> umm...
09:55 <MrBougo> so you'll be able to install KDE 4 on Win?
09:55 <luke-jr> yes
09:56 <MrBougo> funny
09:56 <MrBougo> and how will it work
09:57 <MrBougo> it'll replace the windows GUI?
09:57 <MrBougo> is this possible?
09:57 <MrBougo> or will it run in a separate window
09:57 <luke-jr> there are already Explorer replacements
09:57 <luke-jr> litestep, IIRC, is one
09:58 <MrBougo> nice
09:58 <MrBougo> but... it's going to replace all the gui?
09:58 <luke-jr> no clue
09:58 <luke-jr> probably everything but the widgets and window decorator
10:00 <MrBougo> phew
10:00 <MrBougo> window decorator?????
10:00 <MrBougo> is this something on vista?
10:00 <luke-jr> sortof
10:01 <luke-jr> XP too
10:03 <MrBougo> oh nvm
10:03 <MrBougo> i didn't know that it was called so
10:04 <luke-jr> it probably isn't on windoze
10:06  * MrBougo downloads burningsand
10:06 <MrBougo> too bad that there isn't any linux version
10:06 <MrBougo> it should run on wine though
10:06 <MrBougo> it's simply awesome
10:22 <luke-jr> …
10:22 <luke-jr> sucks probably
10:41 <MrBougo> :p
10:42 <MrBougo> just take a look at some screenies
10:42 <MrBougo> it's kind of miinimalist
10:57 <luke-jr> ?
11:07 <MrBougo> just take a look at the screenshots
11:10 <luke-jr> where
11:10 <MrBougo> um
11:10 <MrBougo> http://siebn.de/index.php?page=burningsand/game
11:16 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
11:16 <luke-jr> are you blind
11:16 <MrBougo> ?
11:16 <MrBougo> yep, it runs on linux
11:17 <luke-jr> beyond that, it should build natively too
11:17 <luke-jr> get the code from him
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11:21 <MrBougo> luke-jr: there's a 2.0 beta
11:21 <MrBougo> that isnt opensource
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11:24 <luke-jr> …
11:24 <luke-jr> bs?
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11:28 <luke-jr> bs?
11:33 <MrBougo> ?
11:34 <luke-jr> no 2.0
11:34 <luke-jr> not even a 1.0
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11:51 <MrBougo> erhm
11:53 <MrBougo> there's no source, luke
11:54 <luke-jr> spidey: …
11:54 <luke-jr> MrBougo: so get it
11:54 <spidey> test
11:54 <spidey> test
11:54 <spidey> #echo test
11:54 <armabot> test
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
11:55 <spidey> wtf
11:55 <luke-jr> spidey: hurry back
11:55 <spidey> wait for me
11:55 <luke-jr> try now
11:55 <luke-jr> we are
11:55 <spidey> i can't connect to your server =/
11:55 <luke-jr> try again
11:55 <luke-jr> :þ
11:55 <luke-jr> or add .dashjr.org
11:55 <luke-jr> :þ
11:55 <MrBougo> "get it"
11:55 <MrBougo> haha
11:55 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
11:55 <MrBougo> sorry but it sounds funny
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11:56 <MrBougo> wee
11:56 <MrBougo> i've never thought that i would do such a thing some day
11:57 <MrBougo> i have two nicks \o/
11:58 <luke-jr>  …….
11:58 <MrBougo> muh
11:58 <luke-jr> ………………………….
11:58 <MrBougo> oh ok
11:58 <MrBougo> space tripledot tripledot dot
11:58 <luke-jr> ♡
11:59  * MrBougo really hopes that it was a typo
11:59 <luke-jr> ♬
11:59  * MrBougo uses the tree command
11:59 <MrBougo> yuck
11:59 <MrBougo> tree D:
11:59 <MrBougo> it outputs huge files
12:00 <luke-jr> bash: tree: command not found
12:00 <luke-jr> ♣
12:00 <MrBougo> it' windows
12:01 <MrBougo> it outputs a graphic-like file tree
12:01 <MrBougo> i use it with notepad ++ to see if my backups match my actual files
12:04  * luke-jr forked Notepad++
12:04 <MrBougo> perfect match!
12:04 <luke-jr> try diff
12:04 <MrBougo> 13272 lines
12:04 <MrBougo> lol so true, luke
12:05 <MrBougo> there's that unixutils package for windows
12:05 <MrBougo> i used it to patch some sources
12:05 <MrBougo> now gotta copy my music files
12:05 <MrBougo> hugey
12:05 <MrBougo> 25.9 gigs
12:06 <MrBougo> then i'll install... TADA
12:06 <MrBougo> kubuntu
12:06 <MrBougo> the answer will be no...
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12:07 <MrBougo> should i use ntfs with linux
12:07 <MrBougo> i mean
12:07 <MrBougo> do you think it's safe
12:07 <MrBougo> thats a stupid question
12:07 <MrBougo> i'll use fat32
12:09 <luke-jr> perfectly safe
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> rly?
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> with ntfs-utils or something
12:09 <luke-jr> no
12:09 <luke-jr> you should use ext3
12:09 <luke-jr> ☺
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> :p
12:09 <MrBougo_laptop> it's a data partition
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> gotta be usable by both win and lin
12:10 <luke-jr> why?
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> it's a data partition
12:10 <luke-jr> delete win
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> if i have to move to windows for some reason
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> stfu :D
12:10 <MrBougo_laptop> i'd like to have my data shared
12:11 <luke-jr> delete win
12:11 <luke-jr> if you need windoze, there's always WINE
12:11 <MrBougo_laptop> is it possible to mount a specific folder of a device ?
12:11 <MrBougo_laptop> or do i have to mount it in /mnt and link to that folder
12:12 <MrBougo_laptop> it would work pretty well, but i'm just wondering
12:13 <luke-jr> mount --bind /mnt/windows/stupid/crap /mnt/crap
12:13 <MrBougo> haha
12:13 <MrBougo> mount --bind?
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12:13 <MrBougo> what's the difference with some link
12:14 <luke-jr> …
12:14 <MrBougo> sorry heh
12:14 <luke-jr> if you rm -r /mnt/crap, it's gone
12:14 <luke-jr> if it was a link, the link only is gone
12:14 <MrBougo> sweet
12:14 <MrBougo> so the bind is useful to delete crap
12:14 <luke-jr> unless you put a / on the end
12:14 <luke-jr> bind is useful for chroots too
12:14 <MrBougo> is it?
12:15 <luke-jr> mandatory, even
12:15 <luke-jr> maybe not
12:15 <luke-jr> but close to it
12:15 <MrBougo> mandatory?
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12:15 <luke-jr> links don't escape chroots
12:15 <luke-jr> binds do
12:16 <MrBougo> oh
12:17 <MrBougo> so i can bind a folder that belongs to the root group to a folder that belongs to the user group?
12:17 <luke-jr> …
12:17 <luke-jr> who said anything about users or groups?
12:17 <MrBougo> noone :(
12:18  * MrBougo hides to cry
12:23 <luke-jr> this is why you should be installing Gentoo -.-
12:24 <MrBougo> :(
12:24 <MrBougo> so what withg chroots
12:24 <MrBougo> heh, and what happens if i mount two devs in a dir and i get a filename conflict
12:25 <MrBougo> or a folder name
12:25 <MrBougo> err dir*
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12:26 <luke-jr> mounting hides the original directory
12:26 <luke-jr> all the time
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> does it?
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> okay
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> so the last one mounted is the only visible one
12:29 <MrBougo_laptop> that's a good thing
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12:50 <MrBougo_laptop> kay, i'm out
12:50 <MrBougo_laptop> bye all
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14:03 <philippeqc> good day!
14:05 <epsy> hay philippeqc
14:05 <philippeqc> hello
14:05 <luke-jr> philippeqc: ltns
14:05 <luke-jr> Nuclear bombs are bad ☹
14:05 <philippeqc> ltns?
14:06 <luke-jr> long time no see
14:06 <philippeqc> ltns = let's talk nomencalture scheme
14:06 <luke-jr> WTF
14:06 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma keeps nuking me
14:06 <luke-jr> spidey too
14:07 <luke-jr> and they brought on nuclear winter and global warming
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> no global warming, just nuclear winter
14:08 <luke-jr> liar
14:08 <philippeqc> kids, behave please!
14:09 <luke-jr> philippeqc: HE JUST KILLED AN INNOCENT UNARMED WORKER
14:12 <philippeqc> which game?
14:12 <spidey> don't do that shit luke
14:13 <spidey> you made my client freeze >:|
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> bahahahahaha
14:13 <luke-jr> …
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> how many cities did you have left?
14:13 <spidey> i 'uno
14:13 <spidey> i had all of lukes cities for sure
14:13 <luke-jr> HAHA
14:13 <luke-jr> you wish
14:14 <spidey> the ones i had taken
14:14 <luke-jr> I have 10 still
14:14 <spidey> 10?
14:14 <spidey> out of 100?
14:14 <spidey> LOL
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> he had some miscellaneous cities hanging around
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> luke: save that one, and then leave it running with no players
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> let the barbs take it over
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> then save it when there's only a few cities left under player control
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be a fun scenario to play
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> nuclear winter against barbs
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the cities he had left were scattered on islands
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> bet it would be another three hours tracking them down
14:15 <spidey> heh
14:15 <spidey> awak ftw
14:15 <luke-jr> not quite scattered
14:15 <luke-jr> I had at least one more major continent
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I saw two islands that you hadn't managed to connect yet
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> ah, what you call a major continent I call an island :)
14:16 <spidey> that was a funny game
14:16 <luke-jr> one of the larger bodies of land in the map
14:16 <spidey> luke setup in the mordor city next to my homebase
14:16 <spidey> with 9-10 howitzers
14:16 <spidey> killed 3 units in a fort, and is like "spidey was that your army?"
14:16 <spidey> then all his howitzers die.
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I was building nukes faster than I was building howitzers :)
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> ran out of cities before I ran out of nukes
14:17 <spidey> hah
14:17 <spidey> i had a 47sheild city spitting them out every 4 rounds
14:17 <spidey> then a 40ish every 4-5
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to build a bunch of helicopters to hunt down the rest of his cities
14:17 <spidey> i had a nuke every round atleast
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> that's about where I was, and had 4 cities on it
14:17 <luke-jr> ☹
14:17 <spidey> luke managed to get 1, 1, ONE nuke off xD
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> quit building bombers and just built nukes
14:18 <spidey> actually
14:18 <luke-jr> 2 spidey
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I stopped one, he was building in one city
14:18 <luke-jr> +3 if you count luci's
14:18 <spidey> i would have been better at hunting him down with choppers
14:18 <luke-jr> and it was built luci
14:18 <luke-jr> and fired
14:18 <flex-> what is this? civilizations?
14:18 <spidey> my choppers didn't run out of full
14:18 <spidey> fuel
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> really?  you nuked one of my cities?
14:18 <spidey> united nations ftw
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't even notice
14:18 <luke-jr> flex-: freeciv
14:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: the turn before you left
14:18 <spidey> yea, what luke-jr${noob}said
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> I quit paying attention to what was going on back there
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> did you nuke sea of madness?
14:18 <epsy> oh you can turn it into a uncl war ? O_o
14:18 <luke-jr> 1420 AD now
14:19 <luke-jr> epsy: once you invent nukes
14:19 <epsy> omg
14:19 <epsy> xD
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> we went all nuclear on luke
14:19 <luke-jr> not sure
14:19 <spidey> he lost over 50 cities in less than 30 minutes
14:19 <spidey> rofl
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> could have taken his whole continent with warriors for all the nukes we were using :)
14:20 <luke-jr> epsy: they literally nuked all my cities
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> we threw in together to get manhattan's built :)
14:20 <luke-jr> and I didn't notice ☹
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: some of them I nuked twice to make sure they stayed nuked
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> learned something interesting though that might make me more inclined to use nukes in the future
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you know those little cities I build?
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> 4-5 point cities, high production?
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14:21 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't suffer at all in the nuclear winter, and we had multiple degrees of nuclear winter going
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost like they're immune to it
14:22 <luke-jr> …
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> the big cities I took from luke starved when the grasslands dried up
14:22 <luke-jr> 1480 AD
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> but my little cities kept on going just fine
14:22 <luke-jr> spidey's down to 2 cities
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, he got split right before we quit
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> we weren't playing to win anymore, we were playing to fuck up luke :)
14:23 <luke-jr> …
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> give it another 10 minutes and we'd have started nuking each other :)
14:23  * luke-jr was winning until you started nuking
14:23 <luke-jr> ☹
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> it alwasy works that way, even when we don't nuke
14:23 <luke-jr> not this time ☹
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> we don't get a high score early because we're too busy building our civs
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> after we're all built up, scores double within an hour or two, typically
14:25 <luke-jr> pbbt
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I don't know if my own civ would have survived an attack like what we did
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> but that was damned excessive :)
14:26 <spidey> it was awesome
14:26 <spidey> no civ would have survived
14:26 <spidey> any would have fallin
14:26 <spidey> especially if someone got lucky and hit the capital
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sdi defense had me stopped waiting on howitzers for a bit
14:26 <spidey> yea
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> but once I cracked that, the rest of his cities were empty
14:26 <spidey> that civ i built when i betrayed you
14:26 <spidey> you wouldn't have touched it, with nukes, with howitzers
14:26 <spidey> bombers
14:27 <spidey> ships
14:27 <spidey> it was dug in so deep and so well built up
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I would've attacked with riflemen, that's all I had :)
14:27 <spidey> LOL
14:27 <spidey> i ment like
14:27 <spidey> this game vs my civ that game
14:27 <spidey> i had sdi in every city, sam
14:27 <spidey> coastal
14:27 <spidey> 5 units per city min
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> I would have had to knuckle down and attack with howitzers and stealth bombers
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can only brute force it when there's sdi
14:28 <spidey> yea
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's always spies tearing down shit
14:28 <spidey> your bombers would have failed tho
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> so remember to put spies in your cities too
14:28 <spidey> i had sam and sdi
14:28 <spidey> i do when i remember
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> they don't fail, it's just like attacking city walls with catapults
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> takes a lot
14:28 <spidey> usually i forget unless i see one creeping around
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> so instead of clearing a city with 5 bombers, you clear a city with 15
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> expensive shit
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to get some sleep
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
14:29 <luke-jr> pfft
14:29 <spidey> 'night
14:29 <spidey> i'ma watch xfiles and get some sleep to
14:29 <spidey> thanks to luke i've been up 27 hours
14:29 <spidey> -.-
14:29 <luke-jr> I deleted your XFiles
14:29 <spidey> if you did you're dead
14:29  * spidey gets the war dialer ready
14:30 <luke-jr> :D
14:30 <luke-jr> go ahead
14:30 <luke-jr> all I do is change a config flag and it's done
14:30 <luke-jr> and no more wardialer bug
14:30 <spidey> ?
14:30 <spidey> lol
14:30 <luke-jr> worst case I disable the # you have for me
14:31 <spidey> :D
14:31 <luke-jr> actually
14:31  * luke-jr wardials spidey now
14:32 <spidey> lol
14:32 <spidey> w/e
14:32 <spidey> now
14:32 <spidey> xfiles
14:32 <spidey> -.-
14:32 <luke-jr> deleted
14:32 <spidey> and raman
14:32 <spidey> i'm watching them!
14:32 <luke-jr> MY RAMEN
14:32 <spidey> screw you
14:32 <spidey> i cooked them
14:32 <luke-jr> no thx
14:32 <luke-jr> homo
14:32 <spidey> u
14:32 <luke-jr> u
14:32 <spidey> no u
14:32 <luke-jr> no u
14:32 <spidey> NO U
14:33 <luke-jr> u^∞
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14:59 <Lucifer_arma> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
14:59 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
15:00 <epsy> #luke-jr_works nuclear missiles
15:00 <armabot> ♪ nuclear missiles are obsolete. ♫
15:01 <epsy> #lastseen glug
15:01 <armabot> epsy: ~T~GluGGsel has last been seen on Fortress Café 22 hours 21 minutes ago.
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15:03 <Lucifer_arma> #send epsy a hydrogen bomb
15:03 <armabot> I have sent a hydrogen bomb to epsy, it should arrive shortly.
15:05 <epsy> #help send
15:05 <armabot> epsy: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
15:05 <epsy> O_o
15:05 <epsy> i never knew it was doing that
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #send epsy a picture of my noggin
15:07 <armabot> I have sent a picture of my noggin to epsy, it should arrive shortly.
15:12 <luke-jr> …
15:13 <luke-jr> oops
15:13 <luke-jr> spidey died at some point
15:13 <luke-jr> as did barbarians
15:20 <tramshed> fuckin thing's full of ladybugs man.
15:33 <luke-jr> …
15:36 <tramshed> doubt me if you will
15:36 <tramshed> man, this box im turning into a server sucks so much balls
15:37 <tramshed> it can suck down more than about 400k/sec on the lan
15:37 <tramshed> I hope it can push more
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16:01 <epsy> oops
16:05 <luke-jr> …
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17:20 <runemaste644> i didnt know there was an armagetron channel!
17:20 <runemaste644> armagetron nicks?
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17:37 <luke-jr> …
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19:29 <philippeqc> re-hi all
19:29 <philippeqc> Louven has half a point
19:29 <MrBougo> ?
19:29 <philippeqc> that we have been ignoring minor improvements and fixes
19:29 <MrBougo> does Louven still exist?
19:30 <philippeqc> enough to come back from time to time, whine about the direction of the project and then remind us that he is no longer interested
19:31 <philippeqc> which I feel is a bit of a (no good word for it in english, the only thing I can think of is coward, but that's not it really, but lets use it as a place holder) coward for him to do so as he can come in good consience, drop his venim and leave without actually having to suggest anything tangible
19:31 <luke-jr> …
19:32 <philippeqc> if at least he said "guys, while making your geek trip you ignored these things" and listed them, we could actually produce something from all this
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19:39 <luke-jr> ok
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21:00 <K-Yo> .tea
21:00 <K-Yo> #tea
21:00 <armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): csimpi0impi, csimpilimpi, master
21:00 <K-Yo> #lastseen epsy
21:00 <armabot> K-Yo: epsy|T| has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 7 minutes ago.
21:01 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:01 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): Apfelkuchen, BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°>??, ~|DS|~Slash
21:01 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:01 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): Apfelkuchen, BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°>??, ~|DS|~Slash
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21:04 <K-Yo> #sd crazy
21:04 <armabot> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): BlindMan's Dog, bob, boom, Canteloupe, ct|SeBoL158, Hex, Luzifer, P.W.N.age, Pluto, Project 2501, p_p, Rambust, SL°???, ~|DS|~Slash
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22:06 <ghableska> #tea
22:06 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): $kills, Dani, Oliver, Player 1, Squeezy, Ubuntu!, ~|DS|~ jazzy, ~|DS|~zion, °¯Hedera
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22:30 <flex-> hey MaZuffeR, wrtlprnft here?
22:50 <Lackadaisical> i think they're playing tr right now
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22:52 <wrtlprnft> flex-: now i'm here
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23:01 <Lackadaisical> did you win?
23:01 <flex-> ah yeah, abit late now but i was bored so i thought i'd offer my recording services :P
23:02 <flex-> yeah who won?
23:06 <MaZuffeR> tr won 3-0
23:06 <MaZuffeR> we played like shit
23:07 <flex-> damn
23:07 <flex-> where was epsy?
23:07 <MaZuffeR> idk
23:07 <wrtlprnft> at least they weren't totally hopeless losses
23:07 <wrtlprnft> like 20:100
23:08 <MaZuffeR> the last one was ok, the first very pretty bad
23:08 <MaZuffeR> were even
23:09 <wrtlprnft> the second was 0:32 at one point :(
23:10 <Lackadaisical> ouch
23:10 <Lackadaisical> were the teams even?
23:10 <MaZuffeR> it was 5 vs 6
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