Log from 2007-01-24:
--- Day changed Wed Jan 24 2007
00:00 <ghableska> bbl
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00:06 <spidey> luke-jr_work, ...
00:07 <luke-jr_work> what
00:07 <Vanhayes> spidey: ...
00:07 <spidey> <luke-jr_work> spidey: you realize how slow P4s are?
00:07 <spidey> <luke-jr_work> spidey: a 2 GHz P4 is slower than a 800 MHz P3
00:07 <spidey> proof? :P
00:10 <luke-jr_work> go check some benchmarks
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00:11 <spidey> lol
00:19 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 18°F / -8°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Low minus 12.; Wednesday - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of flurries in the afternoon. High minus 2. Wednesday night..cloudy periods. 60 percent chance of flurries in the (1 more message)
00:19 <Vanhayes> #more
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: evening. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h late in the evening. Low minus 14.; Thursday - A mix of sun and cloud. High minus 10.;
00:20 <Vanhayes> #weather E5N 5C5
00:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in RHS Weather Station, Rothesay, New Brunswick is 18.9°F (7:20 PM AST on January 23, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa.
00:24 <Vanhayes> #night
00:24 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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00:32 <spidey> omg
00:32 <spidey> this movie's sick
00:35 <luke-jr_work> ..
00:36 <luke-jr_work> is it the one where a guy enjoys killing women and using their hair and fingers as decor?
00:36 <luke-jr_work> or maybe the guy who cuts out tongues and feeds them to his mother?
00:36 <spidey> no
00:36 <spidey> it's called broken
00:37 <luke-jr_work> your irc client is broken?
00:37 <spidey> /ignore luke-jr_work
00:37 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:38 <luke-jr_work> whats broken then? O.o
00:39 <spidey> it's a movie
00:40 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:43 <spidey> nothing
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01:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/chipdip/cockpit/chippit-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by chipdip
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01:27 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
01:27 <armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
01:33 <DrJoeTron> spidey, imdb it for me :p
01:34 <DrJoeTron> what year was it made
01:34 <DrJoeTron> theres a billion broken movies
01:35 <spidey> 2007
01:36 <DrJoeTron> I see 2006
01:36 <DrJoeTron> http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=broken
01:36 * ghableska still needs to see Children of MEn
01:37 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
01:37 <DrJoeTron> go see it
01:37 <ghableska> I know, I know
01:37 <DrJoeTron> its half life 2 the movie!
01:38 <DrJoeTron> but with a better plot
01:38 <ghableska> a hl2 movie would be pretty boring
01:38 <ghableska> just lots of shooting
01:38 <ghableska> and a really long highway 17 scene :P
01:38 <spidey> ugh
01:38 <DrJoeTron> highway 17 wasnt that long
01:39 <ghableska> route kanal?
01:39 <DrJoeTron> route kanal was a bit long
01:39 <DrJoeTron> but was worth it for ravenholm
01:39 <ghableska> heh
01:39 <DrJoeTron> because well...
01:39 <DrJoeTron> we don't go there
01:39 <ghableska> zombies are fun
01:39 <DrJoeTron> did you get hl2 ?
01:40 <ghableska> no
01:40 <ghableska> I've watched friends play it :P
01:43 <DrJoeTron> man
01:43 <DrJoeTron> the movie is like it, atmosphere wise
01:43 <ghableska> that gritty dystopian feeling?
01:43 <DrJoeTron> yup :D
01:43 <ghableska> are there stunsticks?
01:44 <DrJoeTron> I think so
01:44 <spidey> DrJoeTron,
01:44 <spidey> http://www.ddl1.net/warez-download-rapidshare-megaupload-torrent-Broken-(2007),-DVD-Screener-with-crack-serial-keygen-164230.html
01:44 <DrJoeTron> the cars look like the combine ones
01:44 <spidey> that's broken
01:44 <spidey> the movie i'm watching :P
01:44 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
01:45 <spidey> wait
01:45 <ghableska> hmm
01:45 <spidey> maybe it's not
01:45 <spidey> hold on
01:45 <ghableska> I'll see it this weekend :P
01:46 <spidey> http://www.ddl1.net/warez-download-rapidshare-megaupload-torrent-Broken-(2007),-DVD-Screener-with-crack-serial-keygen-135768.html
01:46 <spidey> that's the one
01:49 <ghableska> http://www.godhatesfags.com/ :o
01:50 <ghableska> they were picketing at my school :P
02:46 <spidey> #g 7.54 GB / 100 MB
02:46 <armabot> spidey: (7.54 gigabytes) / (100 megabytes) = 77.2096
02:46 <spidey> O.*
02:57 <ghableska> #g answer to life the universe and everything
02:57 <armabot> ghableska: answer to life the universe and everything = 42
02:57 <ghableska> :D
03:03 <spidey> #g answer to life
03:03 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:03 <ghableska> # 42
03:03 <ghableska> er
03:03 <ghableska> #g 42
03:03 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:48 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 26.6°F (8:47 PM CST on January 23, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 29.08 in 984.6 hPa.
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04:48 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/P4/test/nano_knightmare-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by P4
04:50 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/P4/test/nano_winzone_knightmare-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by P4
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05:21 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: ping
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12831&highlight= <--- for anyone thinking of taking an internet-based math class
05:28 <spidey> do they have commandline p2p clients?
05:31 <spidey> brb switch back to cable
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05:40 <Lucifer_arma> besies bittorrent?
06:09 <mkzelda> wow i never knew how much god hated fags, thats crazy
06:09 <mkzelda> the writers of that site should go on mtv's yo momma
06:10 <mkzelda> they're really good at sliding in derogatory terms every other word
06:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, bittorent?
06:42 <spidey> p2p not bittorrent :
06:42 <spidey> :P
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> bittorrent is p2p
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> duh
06:43 <spidey> bittorrent blows
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's still p2p
06:43 <spidey> and it still sucks
06:59 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Minimiles/StealSlug/Tank_Classic-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Minimiles
07:21 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Minimiles/StealSlug/Tank_Classic-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Minimiles
07:34 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Minimiles/StealSlug/Tank_Classic-0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Minimiles
08:11 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Minimiles/StealSlug/Dark_Tank-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Minimiles
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08:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae
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09:02 <Durka> #hello
09:02 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #419: || Repeated reboots of the system failed to solve problem
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10:01 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
10:01 <armabot> DrJoeTron: ShadowLight Australian Grid (6 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (1 players) || /x0a17ffp4.silesia.pol.eu (0 players) || d0t test SerVer (0 players) || BLooD RuNNeRz Server High Rubber (0 players) || The Dip Bowl (0 players) || U M R Armagetron Server (0 players) || Weasel Systems Racing Grid (0 (1 more message)
10:01 <DrJoeTron> why the hell is it beeping at me then
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10:07 <P4> Hi
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13:12 <epsy> hi
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13:47 <epsy> i heard intel will start video card production again...
13:47 <epsy> ..
13:48 <epsy> with multi-core ect...
13:52 * epsy is seeing how you're interested in it...
13:52 <epsy> lol
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14:34 <k3nNy_> #weather innsbruck
14:34 <k3nNy_> #ping
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15:25 <k3nNy_> #ping
15:38 <wrtlprnft> k3nNy_: try not writing it in color
15:39 <wrtlprnft> it's annoying for most people in here, and armabot won't answer you
15:44 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/temp/carrot.jpg
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15:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
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16:03 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/chipdip/cockpit/chippit-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml: Resource by chipdip
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/chipdip/cockpit/chippit-0.0.4.aacockpit.xml: Resource by chipdip
16:17 <madmax|pt> About that "Map load failure" with some sumo maps and trunk... If you enter Sumo Bar in spec mode and then "create a new team" the game crashes with no load failure message. The message appears on Nixda though o_O
16:20 <k3nNy_> oh
16:20 <k3nNy_> i thought that color was only for my window TT
16:20 <k3nNy_> #ping
16:20 <armabot> pong
16:21 <k3nNy_> thats better
16:22 <k3nNy_> #weather innsbruck
16:22 <armabot> k3nNy_: The current temperature in Innsbruck-Flughafen, Austria is 28.4°F (4:00 PM CET on January 24, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
16:22 <k3nNy_> #g 28.4 F in C
16:22 <armabot> k3nNy_: 28.4 degrees Fahrenheit = -2 degrees Celsius
16:25 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/chipdip/cockpit/chippit-0.0.5.aacockpit.xml: Resource by chipdip
16:27 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/chipdip/cockpit/chippit-0.0.6.aacockpit.xml: Resource by chipdip
16:30 <P4> #weather katowice
16:30 <armabot> P4: The current temperature in Katowice, Poland is 28.4°F (4:00 PM CET on January 24, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.41 in 996 hPa (Rising).
16:31 <P4> light snow? he(it) means heavy snow! :P
16:31 <P4> and cold... and windly... baaad winter ;\
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16:36 <z-man-work> madmax|pt: could you post all info on the map load failure in the forums? I could not reproduce it.
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16:47 <madmax|pt> z-man-work: I can. Although I think wrtlprnft knows what it is already... I said something about this a some days ago
17:01 <madmax|pt> should I still post something?
17:03 <z-man-work> Yeah :) The SVN revision you're using and a recording would be fine.
17:04 <z-man-work> I found the old conversation. We fixed the dtd issue wrtl was assuming as a cause.
17:04 <z-man-work> Which means that maybe it already is fixed. Can you try?
17:08 <madmax|pt> In which rev was that possibly fixed? With r7048 (the one on aabeta) doesnt work. Mac OS here btw
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17:13 <z-man-work> Hmm, it would certainly be earlier than that. 7048 is almost current.
17:15 <k3nNy_> #weather innsbruck
17:15 <armabot> k3nNy_: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 28.4°F (4:50 PM CET on January 24, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa.
17:15 <z-man-work> It's possible that the error is caused by wrong stuff in resource/automatic. Can you try clearing it?
17:22 <madmax|pt> Hmm, it works now.
17:23 <madmax|pt> Although it sometimes seems to show a "Incorrect filepath" warning upon entering
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17:36 <z-man-work> madmax|pt: that may be explained by wrtl bending the filepath rules a bit. He's telling the clients to load a map in the wrong place.
17:37 * luke-jr_work pokes [dlh]
17:37 <luke-jr_work> you need to get that script checking for a pre-existing binary and do something if its there
17:37 <luke-jr_work> maybe r7048-2
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18:26 <spidey> join #fallin-angels
18:26 <spidey> gr
18:31 <Vanhayes> /
18:50 <luke-jr_work> do we have any 3rd party tools yet? :p
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: umm, what exactly are you talking about?
19:22 <wrtlprnft> i think that was fixed by now
19:23 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: I don't know, ask madmax :)
19:23 <wrtlprnft> *tought
19:23 <wrtlprnft> *thought
19:23 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: see 5 lines above ;)
19:24 <z-man-work> Ah, you mean the abuse?
19:24 <z-man-work> On sumo bar, you set MAP_FILE to something...
19:24 <z-man-work> and MAP_URI to the standard map.
19:24 <z-man-work> So the clients download the standard map into the spot of the sumo map...
19:25 <z-man-work> which is a different filepath than the file itself wants to have.
19:25 * z-man-work leaves it up to luke-jr_work to rip you to shreds for that :)
19:26 <z-man-work> A better workaround is to just copy the sumo map to the default map on your server and edit the specs so the filepath is correct.
19:26 <wrtlprnft> eek
19:26 <wrtlprnft> MAP_URI
19:26 <wrtlprnft> forgot that this settning exists
19:26 <luke-jr_work> it doesn't
19:26 <luke-jr_work> O.o
19:27 * luke-jr_work reminds z-man-work he was the one to add filepath verification, and there was a reason for it :p
19:27 <z-man-work> perhaps it's also MAP_FILE filename(uri) what you're using.
19:27 <z-man-work> luke-jr_work: yeah, but I don't usually rip people to shreds for violating it as long as they stand to the trouble they're causing with it :)
19:29 * z-man-work is off to home base
19:29 <luke-jr_work> neither do I ;p
19:31 <madmax|pt> But it needs some kind of fix right... I shouldn't need to know I had to clear resource/automatic to play on some servers :D
19:34 * spidey pokes madmax|pt
19:35 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: you never should need to
19:36 <luke-jr_work> if you do, it's either a bug or a bad server
19:36 * madmax|pt core dumps spidey
19:36 <spidey> madmax|pt, you should never need to
19:36 <luke-jr_work> ROFL
19:49 <spidey> ﷲﷲ\
19:49 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: ﷲ hi
19:49 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: hi ﷲ
19:49 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: ﷲ
19:49 * luke-jr_work ponders
19:50 <spidey> heh
19:50 <spidey> it doesn't work for me :P
19:50 <luke-jr_work> ﷲwrtlprnft: hi
19:50 <luke-jr_work> ﷲwrtlprnft: hiﷲ
19:50 <luke-jr_work> nor for me now
19:50 <luke-jr_work> ﷲ
19:50 * madmax|pt sends spidey to ∞
19:50 <luke-jr_work> it needs to be w/o l2r on the same line
19:50 <luke-jr_work> ﷲa
19:50 <luke-jr_work> aﷲ
19:51 <spidey> ﷲﷲabc
19:51 <luke-jr_work> ﷲﷲｐ
19:51 <spidey> that one work?
19:51 <luke-jr_work> no
19:51 <spidey> ﷲﷲ123
19:51 <spidey> that?
19:52 <luke-jr_work> ﷲＨｉ ｗｒｔｌｐｒｎｆｔ
19:52 <luke-jr_work> hmmm
19:52 <spidey> i see blocks, lol
19:53 <luke-jr_work> sucky font
19:53 <luke-jr_work> ﷲＨｉ ｗｒｔｌｐｒｎｆｔﷲ
19:53 <luke-jr_work> ﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲＨｉ ｗｒｔｌｐｒｎｆｔ
19:53 <luke-jr_work> :D
19:54 <luke-jr_work> ﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲ !!!!Hi wrtlprnft
19:56 <luke-jr_work> hm, wrtl uses irssi
19:56 <luke-jr_work> I wonder if it works
19:56 <madmax|pt> what the hell are the symbols before the Hi? better, whare are they supposed to be?
19:56 <spidey> ??
19:56 <spidey> does it displace text for you too?
19:56 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: those are just arabic letters that should force the entire line to be aligned right
19:56 <madmax|pt> ah
19:56 <luke-jr_work> ﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲ !!!!Hi Lucifer_arma
19:56 <madmax|pt> it doesnt align right here. irssi
19:57 <luke-jr_work> aww
19:57 <luke-jr_work> so only me and Luci can see it right
19:57 <madmax|pt> the "Hi ..." works ok though :D
19:57 <spidey> heh
19:57 <spidey> :P
19:57 <luke-jr_work> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/konv-r2l-2.png
19:57 <spidey> gr
19:57 * spidey made luke-jr_work think i broke his client
19:57 <luke-jr_work> that's what it's supposed to look like
20:00 <spidey> ડ—---------
20:00 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:00 <spidey> ?
20:01 <spidey> i'ma go play cs
20:03 <luke-jr_work> #echo ﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲ spidey
20:03 <armabot> ﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲﷲ spidey
20:03 <spidey> ..
20:04 <spidey> stop
20:04 <spidey> it pops up over my screen :
20:04 <spidey> :|
20:04 <spidey> oh, brb
20:05 <luke-jr_work> lol
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20:11 <spidey> ping 68.119.125.27 and ping
20:11 <spidey> 65.6.218.226
20:11 <spidey> which gives a better return? :D
20:16 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: ah, I had sumo_complete.cfg INCLUDEd and set MAP_FILE to durka's map
20:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: what works?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lukeshot.png
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20:21 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/konv-r2l-2.png
20:23 * wrtlprnft is happy he's using irssi
20:23 <wrtlprnft> what's next, some crazy chars that make the entire window display upside down?
20:23 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:24 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: any languages that are bottom-to-top?
20:24 <madmax|pt> ah, I can read the big "Hi wrtlprnft"
20:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: dunno
20:25 <wrtlprnft> �hi luke-jr_work
20:25 <madmax|pt> how did you do that luke-jr_work?
20:26 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: ?
20:26 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: the qmark isn't arabic
20:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: not supposed to be arabic
20:26 <luke-jr_work> ...
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20:26 <wrtlprnft> let me make a screenshot to show you how it should look like
20:26 <spidey> yay i got a drive for my server :D
20:27 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:27 <wrtlprnft> WTF
20:27 <madmax|pt> the extra spaced chars rendered in blocks in wrtlprnft's screenshot
20:27 <wrtlprnft> my gimp can't open PNG files
20:27 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: you mean the code points 0xFF??
20:27 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: lol
20:27 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] media-gfx/gimp-2.2.12 USE="python svg -aalib (-altivec) -debug -doc -gimpprint -gtkhtml -hardened -jpeg -lcms -mmx -mng -png -smp -sse -tiff -wmf" 0 kB
20:27 <wrtlprnft> WTF
20:27 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:28 <luke-jr_work> you need teh USE='jpeg png mng tiff'
20:28 <wrtlprnft> i didn't put -png in my global USE flags, and package.use doesn't contain anything about GIMP!
20:28 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't they be there by default
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:28 <luke-jr_work> doubt it
20:28 <wrtlprnft> i mean, what good is an image editor if it can't open any images?
20:29 <luke-jr_work> it's there by default if media-libs/libpng is installed
20:29 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] media-libs/libpng-1.2.14 USE="-doc" 0 kB
20:29 <wrtlprnft> it is.
20:30 <luke-jr_work> odd
20:30 <wrtlprnft> indeed
20:30 <wrtlprnft> i had the same problem with SDL
20:30 <luke-jr_work> what profile?
20:30 <wrtlprnft> sdl itself was build without X support, and SDL_image couldn't load any images, either
20:31 <wrtlprnft> how do i find out?
20:31 <luke-jr_work> ls -lhd /etc/make.profile
20:31 <wrtlprnft> i know i have to ls some symlink
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20:31 <wrtlprnft> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Jan 18 15:07 /etc/make.profile -> ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.1
20:32 * wrtlprnft wonders what the --human-readable is for
20:32 <wrtlprnft> one should use --si, anyways
20:32 <luke-jr_work> nah, SI is stupid
20:33 <wrtlprnft> -h is stupid
20:33 <luke-jr_work> no, it's readable
20:33 <wrtlprnft> SI isn't?
20:33 <luke-jr_work> no, SI is just plain wrong
20:33 <wrtlprnft> i don't think so :P
20:34 <luke-jr_work> it tells me directories are 4.1k when they're exactly 4K
20:34 <luke-jr_work> etc
20:34 <wrtlprnft> 1 kB = 1000 B
20:34 <luke-jr_work> nope
20:34 <wrtlprnft> 1 KiB = 1024 B
20:34 <luke-jr_work> nope
20:35 <wrtlprnft> but -h doesn't display the “i”, so it's wrong
20:35 <luke-jr_work> the "i" is wrong
20:35 <luke-jr_work> 1 KB = 1024 B
20:35 <wrtlprnft> …
20:35 <luke-jr_work> #g 1 KB in B
20:35 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:35 <luke-jr_work> #g 1 KB in bytes
20:35 <armabot> luke-jr_work: 1 kilobyte = 1,024 bytes
20:35 <wrtlprnft> this is pointless
20:35 <luke-jr_work> :)
20:35 <wrtlprnft> and google is wrong
20:35 <luke-jr_work> \nope
20:36 <luke-jr_work> SI is wrong trying to force a lame "standard" on preexisting stuff
20:36 <wrtlprnft> SI is older than bits and bytes.
20:36 <luke-jr_work> SI didn't define bit and byte units
20:37 <wrtlprnft> SI is trying to make the difference between binary and SI prefixes clear
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20:37 <luke-jr_work> SI should just be forgotten
20:37 <spidey> finally!
20:38 <spidey> stupid onboard nic wasn't enabled from bios :/
20:38 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:38 <spidey> NOW i have acces to the box's behind the cable router :|
20:38 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:39 <spidey> ?
20:39 * wrtlprnft gives up this pointless discussion with luke-jr_work
20:39 * luke-jr_work ponders just replacing KB etc with sane stuff
20:39 <wrtlprnft> like?
20:39 <luke-jr_work> 0x1000 bytes per unit or smth
20:39 <spidey> http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2842/untitled1jx.jpg
20:40 <spidey> launchmodem is dsl and belkin is the cable router
20:40 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:40 <spidey> ?
20:40 <luke-jr_work> spidey: equalize usage? :p
20:40 <spidey> dunno how
20:41 <spidey> all i did was use my onboard nic to create a network with my router
20:41 <luke-jr_work> setup a Linux box for a firewall and learn
20:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-o-bytes: 1 LB = π*√2*42*23*(1019390^(-3))
20:41 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:41 <spidey> so i don't get a 100ping when i run a server on the cable line
20:41 <wrtlprnft> #base 36 10 luke
20:41 <luke-jr_work> KMGTPE <-- 1024/SI units
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1019390
20:41 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: does it support base 42 yet?
20:41 <wrtlprnft> #g pi*sqrt(2)*42*23*(1019390^(-3))
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pi * sqrt(2) * 42 * 23 * (1,019,390^(-3)) = 4.05154708 * 10^(-15)
20:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: no
20:42 <luke-jr_work> abcdEfGhijKlMnoPqrsTuvwxyz
20:42 <wrtlprnft> err
20:42 <wrtlprnft> i dif't mean -3
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #g pi*sqrt(2)*42*23*(1019390^(1/3))
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pi * sqrt(2) * 42 * 23 * (1,019,390^(1 / 3)) = 431,938.703
20:42 <wrtlprnft> better.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> now everyone use luke-o-bytes!
20:42 <luke-jr_work> LB, NB, JB, SB
20:43 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:43 <wrtlprnft> go away with that
20:43 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:44 <spidey> luke-jr_work, wrtlprnft
20:44 <spidey> tell me which gives a better return 68.119.125.27 or 65.6.218.226
20:44 <spidey> ping wise
20:44 <luke-jr_work> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 53.820/55.263/58.367/1.187 ms
20:45 <luke-jr_work> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 70.378/71.467/73.119/0.891 ms
20:45 <spidey> hm
20:45 <spidey> 68 was the first one?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7000ms
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7001ms
20:45 <wrtlprnft> in order
20:45 <wrtlprnft> err
20:45 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 150.679/155.798/171.366/6.255 ms
20:45 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 169.599/173.097/175.578/1.904 ms
20:45 <wrtlprnft> in order again
20:45 <wrtlprnft> wrong line
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20:46 <spidey> cable gives a better ping :/
20:46 <luke-jr_work> yep
20:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:46 <wrtlprnft> cable rocks
20:46 <spidey> the cable only has 25kb/s up
20:47 <spidey> the dsl as around 40-43
20:47 <wrtlprnft> still lame :)
20:47 <spidey> heh
20:47 <wrtlprnft> i get around 95KiB/s
20:47 <wrtlprnft> http://www.schueler.in.tum.de/bewerbung.html
20:47 <wrtlprnft> how stupid is that?
20:47 <spidey> brb i got a hdd for my server, so i'ma reinstall debian
20:47 <wrtlprnft> it tells you that you can get an application form on http://www.schueler.in.tum.de/
20:47 <wrtlprnft> but i'm already there!
20:48 <wrtlprnft> and that's a computer science faculty of a big german university. a shame.
20:50 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/lol.txt
20:50 <spidey> o.O
20:50 <luke-jr_work> I have a 3.64 JB HD :p
20:51 <wrtlprnft> what's a JB?
20:51 <luke-jr_work> 3.A3 actually
20:51 <luke-jr_work> Jiggabyte :p
20:51 <luke-jr_work> 0x1000000000 bytes
20:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 2.64 Jiggabyte in Bytes
20:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> :P
20:52 <luke-jr_work> I just invented it :p
20:52 <luke-jr_work> and it's 3.a3
20:53 <wrtlprnft> #g [base 16 10 3.a3] * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 10^6
20:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Invalid <number> for base 16: 3.a3
20:53 <luke-jr_work> O.o
20:53 <wrtlprnft> #g [base 16 10 3a3] * 16^(-2) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 10^6
20:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (931 * (16^(-2)) * 68,719,476,736) / (10^6) = 249,913.41
20:54 <wrtlprnft> #g [base 16 10 3a3] * 16^(-2) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 10^9
20:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (931 * (16^(-2)) * 68,719,476,736) / (10^9) = 249.91341
20:54 <wrtlprnft> 249 GiB
20:54 <wrtlprnft> well, 500 actually
20:54 <wrtlprnft> err
20:54 <luke-jr_work> 250 g'B
20:54 <wrtlprnft> 250
20:55 <luke-jr_work> 232.83 GiB
20:55 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 249.91341 GiB
20:55 <luke-jr_work> no
20:55 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:55 <luke-jr_work> 3.A35 JB = 232.83 GiB = 250 g'B
20:56 <wrtlprnft> well, according to my calculation, no.
20:56 <luke-jr_work> something's wrong in your calculation then
20:56 <wrtlprnft> what?
20:56 <luke-jr_work> not sure
20:57 <luke-jr_work> where are you doing the g'B to GiB?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #g [base 16 10 3a35] * 16^(-3) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 10^9
20:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (14,901 * (16^(-3)) * 68,719,476,736) / (10^9) = 249.997296
20:57 <wrtlprnft> 20:51 <luke-jr_work> Jiggabyte :p
20:57 <wrtlprnft> 20:51 <luke-jr_work> 0x1000000000 bytes
20:57 <luke-jr_work> and?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> i'm doing that, and then multiplying by 10^9
20:57 <wrtlprnft> err, dividing
20:57 <luke-jr_work> so you'll get g'B
20:57 <luke-jr_work> you'd need to divide by 2^80 to get GiB
20:58 <wrtlprnft> argh, stupid, sorry
20:58 <wrtlprnft> GB i mean
20:58 <luke-jr_work> #g [base 16 10 3a35] * 16^(-3) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 2^80
20:58 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (14,901 * (16^(-3)) * 68,719,476,736) / (2^80) = 2.06792916 * 10^(-13)
20:58 <luke-jr_work> erm
20:58 <luke-jr_work> that's not right
20:58 <wrtlprnft> really.
20:58 <wrtlprnft> 2^80 is a bit much.
20:58 <luke-jr_work> #g [base 16 10 3a35] * 16^(-3) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 2^40
20:58 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (14,901 * (16^(-3)) * 68,719,476,736) / (2^40) = 0.227371216
20:59 <luke-jr_work> #g [base 16 10 3a35] * 16^(-3) * [base 16 10 1000000000] / 2^30
20:59 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (14,901 * (16^(-3)) * 68,719,476,736) / (2^30) = 232.828125
20:59 <luke-jr_work> there :p
21:00 <wrtlprnft> umm, 2^80 bytes = 1 EiB * 1 MiB
21:00 <luke-jr_work> heh
21:00 <wrtlprnft> / 1 byte
21:00 <luke-jr_work> I was doing exponential stuff instead of 1,2,3
21:01 * wrtlprnft wonders what he would to if he had that much space
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21:02 <wrtlprnft> ny lug?
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21:03 <luke-jr_work> ?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> 21:01 -!- whatah [i=noname@nylug/member/whatah] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:04 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: http://domino.iec.ch/preview/info_iec60027-2{ed3.0}b.pdf
21:05 <luke-jr_work> oh, just a few pages of it :/
21:06 <luke-jr_work> IEC 60027-2 says KB = 1024
21:06 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/bigD/race/race-1.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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21:06 <wrtlprnft> waa
21:07 <wrtlprnft> pdf on a widescreen is somehow weird
21:07 <wrtlprnft> you think i wanna read french?
21:07 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:08 <wrtlprnft> so what?
21:09 <spidey> http://cgi.ebay.com/HOME-THEATER-and-More-WHOLESALE-LIST-Free-Shipping_W0QQitemZ260056803124QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1499QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
21:09 <spidey> o.o
21:09 <DrJoeTron> BUY IT
21:10 <spidey> i am :P
21:10 <spidey> it's only $3, not much to lose..
21:10 <spidey> can't till the first though :/
21:11 <spidey> oh yea, i'm supposed to be installing debian xD brb
21:12 <luke-jr_work> "However, it is common to use 1000 when deriving kilobyte measures from quantities which are not based on powers of two, such as bitrates."
21:12 <luke-jr_work> wtf? bitrates are powers of two...
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21:15 <luke-jr_work> http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/1mb44-is-not-a-standard-floppy-disc-size.html
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21:22 <luke-jr_work> spidey: what's the flash on the auction say?
21:24 <spidey> dunno
21:24 <spidey> what flash?
21:25 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:25 <luke-jr_work> Under Description
21:26 <luke-jr_work> above FREE auctiva
21:26 <luke-jr_work> I'll probably order one-- for $3, worst case I trash it and am out $3 :p
21:27 <luke-jr_work> best case, I use the speakers and sell the PC for $50
21:27 <luke-jr_work> :p
21:27 <spidey> lol
21:27 <luke-jr_work> if that works, I'll probably buy 50 more
21:27 <luke-jr_work> #g ($50 - $3) * 50
21:27 <spidey> heh
21:27 <armabot> luke-jr_work: ((US$ 50) - (US$ 3)) * 50 = 2,350 U.S. dollars
21:27 <luke-jr_work> :o
21:28 <luke-jr_work> #g $3 * 50
21:28 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (US$ 3) * 50 = 150 U.S. dollars
21:28 <spidey> that's not a pc is it?
21:28 <luke-jr_work> $150 investment to profit $2350
21:28 <spidey> i thought it was a sub...
21:28 <luke-jr_work> it seems like it?
21:28 <luke-jr_work> what's S-Video output for?
21:28 <spidey> it's a sub :P
21:28 <spidey> dvd players?
21:28 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:28 <spidey> 'er
21:28 <luke-jr_work> the item on ebay features: Component Video Output, Digital Audio Output, MP3 Input, Progressive Scan, S-Video Output, THX
21:28 <spidey> no really
21:29 <spidey> you ever had a home threater system?
21:29 <luke-jr_work> the big thing must have something to do with video...
21:29 <spidey> it goes dvd player -> home theater -> tv
21:29 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:29 <luke-jr_work> home theater does what w/ it?
21:29 <spidey> same as my stereo?
21:29 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:29 <luke-jr_work> what does it do w/ the video?
21:30 <spidey> put it through to the tv?
21:30 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:30 <spidey> nothing luke, nothing
21:30 <luke-jr_work> so why wouldn't you just connect DVD->TV
21:30 <spidey> because you wouldn't be able to use the home theater then..
21:30 <luke-jr_work> for Composite, at least, sound has seperate wires than video
21:30 <spidey> yea
21:30 <spidey> video is yellow, sound is red/white :P
21:31 <luke-jr_work> so why wouldn't you do DVD-Yellow->TV
21:31 <luke-jr_work> and Red/White DVD->speakers
21:31 <spidey> my stereo has 2 sound in/out and 1 video in/out
21:31 <luke-jr_work> eh, either way I get a bunch of speakers for cheap
21:31 <spidey> lol
21:32 <luke-jr_work> hopefully they don't sound cheap
21:32 <luke-jr_work> :x
21:33 <spidey> doesn't matter to me
21:33 <luke-jr_work> O.o
21:33 <spidey> the speakers in the car sound like shit, couldn't be worse...so if it doesn't work and the speakers do i can wire them to the car :P
21:33 <luke-jr_work> lol
21:34 <spidey> heh
21:34 <spidey> plus one of my pioneers on my stereo is busted :(
21:34 <luke-jr_work> :o
21:34 <spidey> i love base...
21:34 <spidey> to much of it and one popped :/
21:35 <luke-jr_work> lol
21:35 <spidey> i love my 10' sub better :P
21:35 <spidey> only, if i turn it up louder than 8 i get bitched at :(
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21:36 <luke-jr_work> if the upstairs neighbor is too loud, we just call the cops on him
21:37 <spidey> i hate people like you
21:37 <spidey> one reason i moved from bradford to here out in the country :P
21:37 <madmax|pt> huh? 3$?
21:38 <luke-jr_work> sleeping is semi-necessary
21:38 <luke-jr_work> so screw you :p
21:38 <spidey> heh
21:38 <spidey> i'm a heavy sleeper :P
21:39 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: yeah
21:39 <spidey> i miss my old stereo
21:39 <spidey> i had to leave it at my old house, it had 2 8' subs on it :(
21:39 <spidey> and this little xplode, 150watts it was awesome
21:40 <luke-jr_work> lol
21:40 <spidey> server install almost done :D
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21:42 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/bigD/race/race-1.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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21:43 <spidey> ..........
21:44 <Vanhayes_> ,,,,,,,,,,,,
21:44 <luke-jr_work> hi kyle1
21:44 <kyle1> hi
21:44 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o kyle1] by ChanServ
21:47 <luke-jr_work> spidey: it's a scam
21:48 <spidey> lol
21:48 <luke-jr_work> For anyone interested in your own Home Based Business and eBay and Internet Marketing, this is the --->List<--- you NEED!
21:48 <luke-jr_work> HOME THEATER and More WHOLESALE --->LIST<----! Free Shipping*
21:49 <luke-jr_work> Payment & --->Download<--- Instructions: When you click the Buy It Now button, you will go through eBay checkout. At the end of eBay checkout, you will be directed to the PayPal page where you enter your PayPal user name and password to complete purchase. After submitting payment, you should shortly receive an email from "MHA2010Y@Yahoo.com" with a link to -->immediately download the file<-- to your VERIFIED PayPal
21:49 <luke-jr_work> email, which is your responsibility fro keeping current.
21:49 <spidey> i'm blind
21:49 <spidey> cause i don't see it :P
21:49 <luke-jr_work> ?
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21:50 <Van-hayes> #ping
21:50 <armabot> pong
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/bigD/race/race-1.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
21:52 <spidey> you know they make 13gig drives?
21:52 <spidey> lol
21:54 <luke-jr_work> 10,000 RPM
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21:57 <spidey> that's what i'm using
21:57 <spidey> if this hdd dies i'ma be mad :/
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21:59 <luke-jr_work> for d in *; do ( echo "$d"; cd "$d"; sudo -H -u "$d" svn up; ); done
22:00 <spidey> #g 189+263
22:00 <armabot> spidey: 189 + 263 = 452
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22:01 <Vanhayes_> #ping
22:01 <armabot> pong
22:01 <luke-jr_work> for d in *; do echo "$d"; svn up "$d"; done
22:02 <spidey> ?
22:02 <luke-jr_work> svn up homedirs :p
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22:08 <luke-jr_work> http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3241/a1b5d5168a2beb00aee864fix8.gif
22:09 <spidey> lol
22:12 <spidey> fuck
22:12 <spidey> base install froze :|
22:13 <spidey> oh well, counter strike
22:17 <luke-jr_work> lol
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22:55 <spidey> i love how things try to get you to take a survey or something in order to access another area......and they use javascript
22:55 <spidey> view source>copy/paste xD
22:55 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:55 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 31.6°F (3:51 PM CST on January 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.22 in 989.4 hPa.
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23:05 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes'
23:06 <Van-hayes> hey ghableska
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23:07 <Van-hayes> ghableska: are you guys doinf exams there now?
23:07 <Van-hayes> or is it at a different time in the states?
23:07 <ghableska> no, we finished them two weeks ago
23:08 <ghableska> it really depends on what school you attend
23:08 <ghableska> some schools have exams before holidays, others afterwards
23:08 <Van-hayes> ah, ok, we started this week around here
23:09 <ghableska> ah
23:13 <Van-hayes> spidey: how do exams work with that homeschooling ?
23:15 <spidey> there isn't any
23:17 <Van-hayes> how does that work? you arent tested on what you learned?
23:21 <spidey> nope..
23:22 <GodTodd> you have to learn something first ;)
23:23 <spidey> ..
23:24 <GodTodd> ...
23:24 <ghableska> ....
23:24 <Van-hayes> that doesnt seem fair... you dont have to go to school plus you dont have to do exams either
23:24 <Van-hayes> ours are worth 30 % of our final mark...
23:24 <ghableska> 20% for us
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23:52 <spidey> Vanhayes, fair?
23:53 <spidey> it's homeschool, duh
23:53 <wrtlprnft> guys, don't complain, in most subjects they're worth .67 of the final mark here.
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:54 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:54 <ghableska> :o
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