Log from 2007-01-01:
--- Day changed Mon Jan 01 2007
00:00 <SuPeRTaRD> happy new year
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00:01 <guru3> happy new year.
00:01 <guru3> woo.
00:01 <guru3> i want a new laptop :<
00:01 <luke-jr> ...
00:01 <luke-jr> it isn't a new year for 80 days
00:02 <Durka> hmmm very interesting/weird map that was just added
00:02 <Durka> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/bell/multizone/fourteam-1.1.aamap.xml
00:06 <Vanhayes> man im going to regret asking, but why isnt it going to be a new year for another 80 days luke-jr ?
00:06 <ghableska> huh?
00:06 <Vanhayes> <luke-jr> it isn't a new year for 80 days
00:06 <luke-jr> cuz the year is 100 days and it's only 80 days over (half way)
00:07 <Durka> ?
00:07 <Vanhayes> uh, what?
00:07 <Durka> are u ok luke?
00:07 <Vanhayes> a year is 100 days long?
00:07 <Durka> where the fuck do u live luke?
00:07 <guru3> I WANT A NEW LAPTOP
00:07 <Durka> =/
00:07 <guru3> ONE THAT ISN'T 5 YEARS OLD
00:08  * ghableska wants a caps lock filter
00:08 <DrJoeTron> 5 YEARS OLD!?
00:08 <DrJoeTron> WOAH!?
00:08 <DrJoeTron> DINOSAUR
00:08 <Durka> here u go tank
00:08 <Durka> http://www.weller.to/wcc/apple/wcapiie1.jpg
00:08 <DrJoeTron> ;d
00:08 <guru3> YEAH IT'S FUCKING PISSING ME OFF
00:08 <Durka> there's one for ya
00:08 <Durka> ^^^
00:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
00:09 <@guru3> since no one is being helpful...
00:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by guru3
00:09 <@guru3> HOW CAN YOU SPEAK
00:09 <@guru3> IF YOU HAVE NO VOICE
00:09 <@guru3> HAPPY FUCKING NEW YEAR :d
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00:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v DrJoeTr0n] by guru3
00:13 <+DrJoeTr0n> hell of a time for my connection to die
00:13 <+DrJoeTr0n> anywho, do you have a preference for laptops?
00:14 <@guru3> it's a Y2K7 bug
00:14 <+DrJoeTr0n> haha
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00:14 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
00:15 <+DrJoeTron> what is everyone (doing(has done) for newyears
00:15 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has quit [Client Quit]
00:15 <+DrJoeTron> oh right
00:15 <+DrJoeTron> no one can talk
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00:15 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v ghableska] by guru3
00:15 <@guru3> jk :P
00:15 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v ghableska] by guru3
00:17 <+DrJoeTron> ghableska sign on to steam
00:20 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by guru3
00:20 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v DrJoeTron] by guru3
00:20 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
00:20 <Durka> can u read this
00:21 <Durka> dont respond by saying: no
00:21  * Durka is getting closer to figuring out the online server thing
00:22 <DrJoeTron> no
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00:24 <Durka> lmao
00:25 <Durka> roflmfao play this
00:25 <Durka> http://www.rofl.name/roflcopter/
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00:26  * Durka pokes ghab ( play this -> http://www.rofl.name/roflcopter )
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00:46 <Durka> wow i fucked up
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's no surprise
00:47 <Durka> i couldnt do all servers so i tried my server stats
00:47 <Durka> lmao go look
00:47 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com
00:47 <Durka> scroll to the bottom
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> my head's still spinning, I'm not going to be able to help you
00:47 <Durka> but i think it's just freehostia
00:47 <Durka> some php doesnt work
00:47 <Durka> i just want something simple
00:48 <Durka> luci: refresh the index page and scroll to the very bottom
00:49 <Durka> u see where it says Blah Blah?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> my head's still spinning, I'm not going to be able to help you
00:49 <Durka> :(
00:49 <spidey> ???
00:49 <spidey> Durka, 
00:49 <spidey> wtf are you doing?
00:50 <Durka> im doing the wrong thing
00:50 <Durka> thats what :(
00:50 <spidey> ....
00:50 <Durka> u see what im talking about?
00:50 <spidey> it says "blah blah"
00:51 <Durka> ya
00:51 <Durka> ok now i wanna put this in there instead
00:51 <Durka> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/servertest.php
00:51 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@70.88.244.226] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
00:51 <spidey> ....
00:52 <Durka> ya...
00:52 <Durka> idk how :(
00:52 <spidey> .......
00:52 <spidey> phpbb2?
00:52 <Durka> well i thought i did and this is what shows up
00:52 <Durka> lemme re put it
00:52 <spidey>  what version of phpbb?
00:53 <Durka> 2.0.2.1
00:53 <Durka> phpbb plus version
00:53 <Durka> with all that extra shit
00:55 <spidey> dude
00:55 <spidey> just put that in the footer
00:55 <Durka> no i want the contents of http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/servertest.php to show up
00:56 <Durka> it doesnt even show an error
00:56 <Durka> it shows
00:56 <spidey> ...................................................................................................
00:56 <Durka> Resource id #129
00:56 <Durka> its a list of whos playing on the servers
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00:56 <spidey> hold on
00:56 <spidey> i have to install winscp again >.>
00:56 <wrtlprnft> what's so hard about print(file_get_contents('http://somewhere'));?
00:57 <spidey> he's doing it wrong
00:57 <spidey> he's putting it in the wrong footer file i bet
00:57 <Durka> i tried that
00:59 <Durka> wow im retarded
00:59 <Durka> i spelled <?php wrong
00:59 <Durka> the start tag
00:59 <Durka> :p
00:59 <Durka> i put <?pphp
00:59 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/something.php
00:59 <spidey> w
00:59 <spidey> t
00:59 <spidey> f
00:59  * Durka <-- dumbass
00:59 <Durka> ok it wroks
00:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, wtf's that mean?
01:01 <Durka> #cyborg wrtlprnft
01:01 <armabot> Durka: W.R.T.L.P.R.N.F.T.: Wireless Robotic Technician Limited to Potential Repair, Nullification and Forbidden Troubleshooting
01:01 <Durka> ahhh
01:01 <Durka> no wonder he's so fucked up ;P
01:01 <Durka> keyword in that cycborg..."Limitd"
01:01 <Durka> limited*
01:02 <Durka> and "potential"
01:02 <Durka> meaning he's lazy
01:02 <Durka> yet helpful
01:02 <Durka> and a robot
01:02 <Durka> that has no wires
01:03 <spidey> ...
01:03 <Durka> #cyborg spidey
01:03 <armabot> Durka: S.P.I.D.E.Y.: Synthetic Positronic Individual Designed for Efficient Yelling
01:04 <Durka> Some Prostitute Individual Designed for Egging Yodas
01:06 <ghableska> heh
01:06 <wrtlprnft> nice 
01:07 <wrtlprnft> armabot's right about spidey 
01:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by ChanServ
01:07 <Durka> #roulette
01:07 <armabot> Durka: *click*
01:07 <Durka> #roulette
01:07 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
01:07  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:07 <Durka> #roulette
01:07 <armabot> Durka: *click*
01:07 <Durka> #roulette
01:07 <armabot> Durka: *click*
01:08 <Durka> make him op
01:08 <Durka> #cyborg Durka
01:08 <wrtlprnft> guru3 doesn't seem to like it
01:08 <armabot> Durka: D.U.R.K.A.: Digital Unit Responsible for Killing and Assassination
01:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
01:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by Lucifer_arma
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01:25 <Durka> LUKE!
01:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by Lucifer_arma
01:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
01:25 <luke-jr> wtf
01:25 <Durka> #last --from luke-jr
01:25 <@armabot> Durka: [01:25:34] <luke-jr> wtf
01:25 <Durka> lol ok hi
01:26 <Durka> where're the files for legits server
01:26 <Durka> like the players.txt ladder.txt
01:26 <Durka> that stuff
01:27 <spidey> what the hell
01:27 <Durka> ?
01:27 <Durka> what
01:27 <spidey> teamspeak server was running 10 processes
01:27 <luke-jr> eh
01:27 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:27 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 27.7°F (6:27 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 28.75 in 973.5 hPa. 
01:28 <luke-jr> spidey: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
01:28 <spidey> hm
01:29 <spidey> what's kjournald?
01:30 <luke-jr> part of Linux
01:30 <luke-jr> sounds like the ext3 driver
01:31 <spidey> k
01:31 <Durka> ummm...luke?
01:31 <Durka> where are they
01:40 <Durka> #ping
01:40 <@armabot> pong
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01:40 <super_duck> i want them published!
01:41 <super_duck> say it!!!
01:41 <luke-jr> O.o
01:41 <Durka> happy? :p :p
01:41 <Durka> :p
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> it
01:41 <Durka> :p :p :p :p
01:41 <super_duck> hehe
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> 101.3
01:42 <super_duck> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> super_duck: *click*
01:42 <Durka> again
01:42 <Durka> #roulette
01:42 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:42  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:43 <super_duck> hmm lol
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01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:43 <Durka> that dick
01:43 <Durka> :(
01:43 <DrJoeTron> bwahahaha
01:43 <Durka> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:43 <super_duck> #roulette
01:43 -!- super_duck was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:43 <Durka> lmao
01:43 <Durka> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:43 <Durka> #roulette
01:43 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:43 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:43 <Durka> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:43 <ghableska> #roulettte
01:43 <ghableska> erm
01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 -!- ghableska was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:43 <Durka> #roulette spin
01:43 <luke-jr> ...
01:43 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:44 <luke-jr> where'd legit go
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01:44 <Durka> he got kicked by armabot
01:44 <luke-jr> darn
01:44 <luke-jr> lemme know when he's back
01:44 <Durka> hes signing back in
01:44 <Durka> #roulette
01:44 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:44 <Durka> #roulette
01:44 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:44  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:45 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:45 <Durka> lol
01:45 -!- Super_Duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
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01:45 <Durka> anyone have a mac in here?
01:45 <Super_Duck> yay
01:45 <Super_Duck> i have a hp!
01:46 <Durka> Colloquy is a good IRC program
01:46 <Super_Duck> #roulette
01:46 <@armabot> Super_Duck: *click*
01:46 <Durka> no more web applets :)
01:46 <Durka> #roulette
01:46 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:46 <Durka> #roulette
01:46 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:46 <Durka> #roulette
01:46 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:46 <Super_Duck> #roulette
01:46 -!- Super_Duck was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:46  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:46 <Durka> ok next one
01:46 -!- arctanx [n=inverse@pdpc/supporter/base/arctanx] has joined #armagetron
01:46 <Durka> lol
01:46 <Durka> arctanx: type #roulette
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01:46 <Durka> wb ghab
01:46 <Durka> #roulette
01:46 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:46  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:46 <ghableska> haha
01:46 <arctanx> lol
01:46 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:46 <Durka> booo!
01:46 <Durka> #roulette
01:46 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:47 -!- Super_duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
01:47 <Super_duck> k
01:47 <Super_duck> arma hates me
01:47  * arctanx triple binds armabot
01:47 -!- deja_vu_ [n=deja_vu@Q1398.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
01:47  * Super_duck is ehr eluke go armalukechat?
01:47  * arctanx just got 5-turn micro-trapped :(
01:49  * Super_duck hits arc with a sandal
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01:49 <Durka> lol
01:49 <arctanx> ow. there's a case of foot-in-mouth
01:49 <Arma752> #roulette
01:49 <@armabot> Arma752: *click*
01:49 <Arma752> hehe
01:50 <Arma752> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> Arma752: *click*
01:50 <arctanx> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> arctanx: *click*
01:50 <Arma752> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> Arma752: *click*
01:50 <Super_duck> arma will kick em again he dont like ducks
01:50 <Arma752> #roulette
01:50 -!- Arma752 was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:50  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:50 <Durka> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:50 <Durka> that was probably spidey
01:51 -!- custang [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
01:51 <Durka> hi custang
01:51 <Durka> type #roulette
01:51 <Super_duck> custang!
01:52 <custang> hey (lots of people)
01:52 <custang> lol
01:52 <Durka> #roulette
01:52 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:52 <Super_duck> i am a suepr duck!
01:52 <Durka> do it
01:52 <Durka> its cool
01:52 <custang> i did it b4 when you told me too
01:52 <Super_duck> #blackjack
01:52 <Super_duck> #21
01:52 <custang> #roulette
01:52 <@armabot> custang: *click*
01:52 <Super_duck> #joke
01:52 <@armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
01:52 <custang> sfew
01:52 <Durka> #ping
01:52 <@armabot> pong
01:52 <Durka> #roulette
01:52 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:52 <Durka> bye guys
01:52 <custang> #pong
01:52 <Durka> #night
01:52 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
01:52 <Super_duck> #shit
01:52 <Durka> #roulette
01:52 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:52  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:52 <Super_duck> lol
01:52 <custang> s#night
01:53 <custang> #night
01:53 <@armabot> Good night custang!
01:53 <custang> #morning
01:53 <@armabot> Good Morning custang Random Fortune: "I've seen the forgeries I've sent out." || -- John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US), about forging net news articles
01:53 <custang> ok........
01:53 <ghableska> #afternoon
01:53 <Super_duck> #
01:53 <custang> #evening
01:54 <Super_duck> #stfu
01:54 <custang> haha
01:54 <custang> #die
01:54 <custang> #hello
01:54 <Super_duck> #poke
01:54 <@armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: "I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest." || -- Alexandre Dumas (fils)
01:54 <Super_duck> # bye
01:54 <Super_duck> #bye
01:54 <custang> #goodbye
01:54 <Super_duck> #hola
01:54 <@armabot> Goodbye custang :(
01:54 <custang> :) hehe
01:54 <Super_duck> #super
01:54 <@armabot> Super_duck: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
01:54 <Super_duck> !!!
01:54 <Super_duck> awww
01:54 <custang> HAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHHAA
01:55 <Super_duck> stupid bot
01:55 <custang> |:)
01:55 <Super_duck> #hello
01:55 <Super_duck> :(
01:55 <custang> <|:)
01:55 <custang> #hello
01:55 <@armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: Using the Force, Yoda effortlessly frees the X-Wing from the bog. || Luke Skywalker: || I don't believe it. || Yoda: || That is why you fail.
01:55 <DrJoeTron> #kick Super_duck 
01:55 <@armabot> DrJoeTron: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:56 <custang> hey DrJoeTron 
01:56 <Super_duck> rotf
01:56 <Super_duck> no kick me!
01:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
01:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by Lucifer_arma
01:56 <Super_duck> :(
01:56 <DrJoeTron> smit ethem
01:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
01:56 <DrJoeTron> SMITE THEM
01:56 <custang> hey Lucifer_arma 
01:57 <custang> HAPPYNEWYEAR!!!!!!!!!
01:57 <luke-jr> bs
01:57 <DrJoeTron> CRUSH THEM
01:58 <custang> why DrJoeTron ??
01:58 <DrJoeTron> you guys are even annoying armabot 
01:58 <DrJoeTron> that takes skill
01:59 <custang> xD
01:59 <custang> ill stop (dunno about Super_duck )
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01:59 <custang> one more
01:59 <custang> #roulette
01:59 <armabot> custang: *click*
02:00 <DrJoeTron> who plays arma on new years eve?
02:00 <DrJoeTron> nerds
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> not me
02:00 <custang> not me
02:00  * Lucifer_arma is taking his temperature again
02:00 <wrtlprnft> not this night at least
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> 101.2 noq
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> *now
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #g 101.2 F in C
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 101.2 degrees Fahrenheit = 38.4444444 degrees Celsius
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> 98.6 is "normal"
02:01 <wrtlprnft> not worryingly high
02:01 <wrtlprnft> 37°C is normal :P
02:01 <DrJoeTron> 101.2
02:01 <DrJoeTron> thats beaver feaver man
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, just high enough that my head's spinning and my skin feels creepy-crawly
02:01 <custang> isnt it 36???
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 98.6 F in C
02:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit = 37 degrees Celsius
02:02 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma, sorry thats me touching you
02:02 <wrtlprnft> custang: dunno exactly, but it's not that fixed anyways
02:02 <custang> hehe
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> my temperature's normally 97.6, actually
02:02 <luke-jr> The time is now .0:b2
02:02 <wrtlprnft> custang: according to wikipedia it's 36.6°C
02:02 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i don't care
02:02 <custang> ok
02:03 <wrtlprnft> i have a watch that can show the time in a format i can read
02:03 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I don't care if you care
02:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i don't care if you care if i care
02:03 <Super_duck> i dotn care if any fo u care :)
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02:03  * Lucifer_arma is happy he's ignoring luke
02:04 <wrtlprnft> should do that, too, maybe. hmm
02:04 <custang> |:)
02:04 <wrtlprnft> (note: to ignore someone use /ctcp <nick you want to ignore> IGNORE <your password with nickserv>)
02:05  * Super_duck ignored wrtl
02:05 <Super_duck> jk :)
02:05  * luke-jr too
02:05 <DrJoeTron> is about to ignore Super_duck 
02:05 <DrJoeTron> not kidding :V
02:05  * Super_duck dosnt even kno u
02:05 <Super_duck> xD
02:05 <DrJoeTron> interestingly enough, I don't know who you are either
02:05 <luke-jr> lol
02:06 <wrtlprnft> /msg nickserv ghost luke-jr foobar
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> isn't he Legit?
02:06 <wrtlprnft> didn't work :(
02:06  * custang ignored custang * 
02:06  * luke-jr outsmarts wrtlprnft :)
02:06 <DrJoeTron> I always thought it was durka
02:06 <Super_duck> no lucifer i am a super duck!
02:06  * Lucifer_arma is nearly ready to kick both of them
02:06 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i guessed you wouldn't choose such a password
02:06 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no?
02:06 <Super_duck> lol ya im legit
02:06  * Lucifer_arma probably shouldn't do anything like that and let someone who's head isn't spinning deal with it
02:06 <wrtlprnft> knowing that the passwords you choose are totally immemorable
02:06 <luke-jr> you must not know my AA passwords
02:06 <luke-jr> or VNC passwords
02:07  * wrtlprnft still laughs about ghableska's old password, “connect”
02:07 <luke-jr> usually for AA it's fubar
02:07 <luke-jr> or some variant
02:07 <Super_duck> whats my password?!?!
02:07 <luke-jr> Super_duck: illegitmate
02:07 <Super_duck> no!
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have one because you suck
02:07 <custang> whats mine??!!
02:07 <Super_duck> no i dont
02:07 <Super_duck> im super!
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> you're the suckiest sucker that sucks here
02:08 <custang> Lucifer_arma got it before i said it  ;)
02:08 <DrJoeTron> that sucks!
02:08 <Super_duck> f u im super leave ma lone!
02:08 <DrJoeTron> ha cha cha cha
02:08 <DrJoeTron> f u?
02:08 <DrJoeTron> just say it!
02:08 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
02:08 <DrJoeTron> YOU
02:08 <DrJoeTron> theres no time to be saved here
02:08 <Super_duck> yes there is!
02:08 <DrJoeTron> LIES!
02:08 <Super_duck> trues
02:08 <Super_duck> !!
02:09  * Lucifer_arma thinks he should just go back to bed
02:09 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/bell/multizone/fourteam-1.1.aamap.xml
02:09 <luke-jr> lol
02:09  * Super_duck agrees
02:09 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna know what he used to design that map
02:09 <DrJoeTron> fuck I need to pack the wii up
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> at least I'm not a sucky duck
02:09 <luke-jr> wii goes wee-wee
02:09 <Super_duck> i am a super duck!
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> not
02:09 <custang> hey DrJoeTron is it good??
02:09 <Super_duck> yes i am!
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> not
02:09 <Super_duck> errrr
02:09 <DrJoeTron> custang its pretty amazing
02:09 <Super_duck> i am super!
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> not
02:09 <Super_duck> stop it!
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> no
02:10 <Super_duck> yes!
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> no
02:10 <custang> ea like tennis and stuff
02:10  * wrtlprnft is about to ignore Super_duck AND luke-jr AND Lucifer_arma 
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> you stop sucking and I'll stop saying you suck
02:10 <DrJoeTron> ea?
02:10 <custang> yeah*
02:10 <custang> sorry
02:10 <Super_duck> i told im not
02:10 <DrJoeTron> ah
02:10 <Super_duck> i am super
02:10 <DrJoeTron> I was thinking EA
02:10 <custang> hehe
02:10 <Super_duck> ea?
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> electronic arts
02:10 <Super_duck> ahh
02:10  * wrtlprnft is hungry
02:10 <custang> what games you got?? (i might be getting it)
02:10 <DrJoeTron> and was about to type a rant on how they are horrible
02:10 <wrtlprnft> i could eat a whole bird right now!
02:10  * Lucifer_arma is hungry too
02:11  * Super_duck hates ea
02:11 <wrtlprnft> let's put a Super_duck in the oven
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> but I better not eat.  Stomach flu
02:11 <Super_duck> no!
02:11 <DrJoeTron> custang, just wii sports and twilight princess
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> ea sucks more than Super_duck (hi there!) 
02:11 <DrJoeTron> and I bought a bunch of vc games
02:11 <custang> ok
02:11 <DrJoeTron> I'm either going to get super monkey ball or trauma center next
02:11 <custang> wii sports sounds alright
02:11 <Super_duck> :-/
02:12 <DrJoeTron> wii sports comes with
02:12 <custang> ok
02:12 <DrJoeTron> its fun for the day
02:12 <DrJoeTron> then you have friends over
02:12 <DrJoeTron> than its fun for 2 days
02:12 <DrJoeTron> then you realize its a tech demo
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> joe, you don't have any friends, quit lying
02:12 <custang> xD
02:12 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma you're coming over right? :/
02:13 <DrJoeTron> please? :/
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> to the party in your mouth?
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> of course!
02:13 <custang> pants
02:13 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:13 <DrJoeTron> party in my mouff
02:13 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: ;)
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
02:13 <wrtlprnft> :P
02:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 48.7°F (7:09 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa. 
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> brrrr
02:14 <ghableska> anyone want to ignore me? :P
02:14 <Super_duck> me!
02:14 <wrtlprnft> nah
02:14  * Lucifer_arma isn't falling for wrtlprnft (hi there!) 's silly trick
02:14 <wrtlprnft> don't need you to fall in :P
02:15 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 27.3°F (7:12 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 28.77 in 974.2 hPa. 
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> damn, how do you survive in that?
02:15 <custang> #weather 727393
02:15 <ghableska> it was 60 in the morning :/
02:15 <custang> #weather 7273
02:16 <custang> #weather 72731
02:16 <custang> hehe
02:16 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> will you guys stop it?
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> let armabot get caught up!
02:16 <wrtlprnft> x_X
02:16 <armabot> custang: Error: timed out
02:16 <wrtlprnft> haha!
02:16 <armabot> custang: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "7273".
02:16 <custang> ok'
02:16 <armabot> custang: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "72731".
02:16 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 52.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Wind: SW at 13 mph (21 km/h).
02:16 <ghableska> she's getting angry
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be you're the people who sit there clicking all over your screen when your computer's slowing down
02:17 <DrJoeTron> pleasent
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> then wonder why it goes bonkers
02:17 <custang> #roulette
02:17 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
02:17  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
02:17  * Lucifer_arma finally trained his wife to wait when the computer's backed up
02:17  * ghableska is the kind of person that drags frozen windows around to make pretty patterns
02:17 <wrtlprnft> haha
02:17  * wrtlprnft too
02:17 <custang> everyone play roulette
02:18 <ghableska> it hasn't happened in a while though
02:18  * DrJoeTron enjoys the pretty patterns the frozen windows makes
02:18 <custang> well guys im off
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
02:18 <custang> peace
02:18 <wrtlprnft> i remember having fun on some older computer with kruler. It was so slow that if i moved the ruler around fast enough for some time if would lag behind the cursor, so i could stop moving and watch the ruler running around even without touching the mouse
02:18 <wrtlprnft> cya
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02:19 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like you had a regular geek party going, wrtlprnft (hi there!) 
02:19 <wrtlprnft> heh, Lucifer_arma (hello there!)
02:19  * Lucifer_arma has to admit he plays with frozen windows too
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I've been awake 4 hours and I still don't know wtf is going on
02:20 <wrtlprnft> poor mac os x guys, they can't really have them
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> kde4 is supposed to be double-buffered too
02:21 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't that be an x11 feature?
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> I think that has more to do with qt4 being double-buffered
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I always thought it should be in x.org instead of the toolkit
02:22  * wrtlprnft goes build an infinite loop somewhere into dsbp
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I have more transactions to put in there
02:22 <ghableska> oh, that's why I don't say much
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> why?
02:23 <ghableska> because most of the time this channel gets into discussions like above :P
02:23 <ghableska> and I have no clue what you guys are talking about
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's not true
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> not completely, anyway
02:24 <ghableska> heh
02:24 <wrtlprnft> darn
02:24 <wrtlprnft> the stupid thing is either never hanging or hanging too early
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got some ibuprofen now
02:29  * Lucifer_arma wonders why ghableska (hi there!) hasn't put a blanket on him yet
02:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm, finally got it
02:29 <wrtlprnft> but it still becomes a frozen window
02:29 <wrtlprnft> without content
02:29  * ghableska tosses a down comforter on Lucifer_arma
02:30  * Lucifer_arma appreciates that
02:31  * Lucifer_arma considers trying to build arma again
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
02:31 <armabot> pong
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02:55 <GodTodd> dammit...i coulda been rich :/
02:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
02:56 <GodTodd> sports betting
02:59 <wrtlprnft> :s
02:59 <GodTodd> :P
03:00 <ghableska> what sport?
03:03 <DrJoeTron> whore racing of course
03:03 <DrJoeTron> or Kush Lash
03:07 <DrJoeTron> see you guys next year
03:07 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-56-61-88.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
03:08  * ghableska only has 4 hours to go
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> byacc   `test -f 'tools/values/vParser.ypp' || echo '../../../armagetronad/src/'`tools/values/vParser.ypp
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> byacc: e - line 37 of "../../../armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp", syntax error
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> %destructor {
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> ^
03:11 <ghableska> o0
03:11  * Lucifer_arma doesn't want anyone to bitch about him not coding when everytime he tries to build arma, it doesn't work
03:13 <spidey> Without electricity, we'd all be watching television by candlelight
03:17 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: GodTodd, mkzelda, [dlh], luke-jr_work, yojimbo, arctanx, armabot, spideylog, Vanhayes, Lucifer_arma,  (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
03:22 <wrtlprnft> wow, i'm alone!
03:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: yojimbo, spidey, wejp_, ghableska, [dlh], Super_duck, armabot, Vanhayes
03:23 <wrtlprnft> finally
03:23 <wrtlprnft> i was so alone!
03:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lucifer_arma, luke-jr_work
03:23 <Super_duck> .
03:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: blame luke-jr_work 
03:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mkzelda
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03:23 <ghableska> hehe
03:23 <ghableska> what was that about?
03:24 <ghableska> everyone signed off but me :/
03:24 <wrtlprnft> nah
03:25 <wrtlprnft> your server was disconnected from its master
03:25 <ghableska> O_o
03:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like a pretty important server on the network went down
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03:29 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: all's I know is the last 3-4 times I've sat down to work on the sound engine I wound up trying to get the thing to build over something unrelated
03:31 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: fix it
03:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just use an old revision? 0.3.0 if you have to
03:33  * luke-jr notes it hasn't changed since 0.3.0 probably
03:33 <wrtlprnft> huh?
03:33 <wrtlprnft> vValue didn't even exist in 0.3.0
03:33 <luke-jr> no?
03:33 <wrtlprnft> nope
03:34 <luke-jr> oh well
03:35 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:35 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 27.7°F (8:32 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Pressure: 28.81 in 975.5 hPa. 
03:35 <luke-jr> so maybe Luci should use BISON instead of whatever byacc is
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03:36 <Durka> #hello
03:36 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "I'll rob that rich person and give it to some poor deserving slob. || That will *prove* I'm Robin Hood." || -- Daffy Duck, Looney Tunes, _Robin Hood Daffy_
03:36 <Durka> lol
03:36  * Durka brb
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> 100.4
03:45 <wrtlprnft> #g 100.4 F in C
03:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit = 38 degrees Celsius
03:46 <wrtlprnft> at least that's less
03:46 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't actually call that fever
03:46 <ghableska> this is the first winter that I haven't fallen ill 
03:46 <wrtlprnft> errm, it's not over ye
03:46 <wrtlprnft> t
03:46 <ghableska> true
03:47 <ghableska> but I always get sick over winter break
03:47 <wrtlprnft> how nice of you
03:47 <ghableska> yep
03:47 <wrtlprnft> though i tend to get sick out of school time, too
03:47 <ghableska> heh
03:48 <wrtlprnft> or just sick enough so i can still go to school
03:49 <ghableska> same here
03:52  * ghableska is downloading GIMP
03:52 <wrtlprnft> o_O
03:52 <wrtlprnft> have fun with gimp on windows
03:52 <wrtlprnft> it's unusuable if you want to do anything else at the same time
03:52 <ghableska> why
03:52 <ghableska> ?
03:52 <ghableska> er
03:52 <wrtlprnft> gimp *needs* a virtual desktop
03:53 <wrtlprnft> the problem with gimp/mswindows is that its user interface consists of many small windows
03:53 <ghableska> :/
03:53 <wrtlprnft> so if you bring another window into the foreground you'll have to click on all the little gimp windowlets to bring them up again
03:53 <ghableska> ah
03:55 <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg
03:55 <spidey> that's soon to be the new fa site :D
03:55 <ghableska> the tabs at the top are a bit fuzzy
03:56 <wrtlprnft> good luck getting that font to show w/o images or flash
03:56 <spidey> ..
03:57 <ghableska> hmm
03:57 <ghableska> the installer didn't even work O_o
03:57 <spidey> the site's gonna be completely image
03:58 <wrtlprnft> sucks
03:58 <wrtlprnft> go away.
03:58  * ghableska leaves
03:58 <wrtlprnft> not you
03:58 <spidey> lol
04:00 <Durka> still 5 hours =/
04:01 <spidey> btw
04:01 <spidey> that font should show
04:01 <spidey> o.O
04:01 <wrtlprnft> if it's an image, yes
04:01 <wrtlprnft> but it looks awfully ugly as jpg
04:02 <wrtlprnft> and is gonna be awfully hue as png
04:02 <spidey> i'll have the .psd so i can edit whatever
04:02 <spidey> i'll use .gif anyways
04:02 <wrtlprnft> accessibilty and search engines besides, it won't fit on 80% of the people's screens
04:02 <Durka> wait spidey
04:02 <wrtlprnft> gif compresses even worse than png
04:02 <Durka> ur just gonna have one big image and image map everything?
04:02 <Durka> lol
04:02 <wrtlprnft> and looks worse, too
04:03 <Durka> that would be fun
04:03 <spidey> Durka, no and yes
04:03 <Durka> ;p
04:03 <spidey> it won't be one big image
04:03 <Durka> awwwwwwwwww
04:03 <spidey> it'd take forever to load
04:03 <Durka> :(
04:03 <spidey> it'll be sliced up, and i'll edit which ever slice when i need to update something
04:04 <wrtlprnft> o well, i guess i should go to bed before i have to listen to more crap made by spidey
04:04 <spidey> xD
04:04 <wrtlprnft> and it would be good to be sleeping before dawn
04:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
04:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
04:05 <Durka> lol
04:05 <Durka> c ya wrtlpwnd
04:05 <Durka> |me|
04:05 <Durka> d:) 
04:06 <Durka> #joke
04:06 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
04:06 <Durka> #help joke
04:06 <armabot> Durka: (joke <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.".
04:07 <Durka> ¡ßøø!
04:07 <Durka> #weather 90049
04:07 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Santa Monica, California is 53.6°F (6:51 PM PST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 
04:07 <Durka> #armaservers
04:07 <armabot> Durka: Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (4 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ *Teams!* (4 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server - Low Rubber (3 players) || Carina Epsilon (high speed) (2 players) || Wild West =Wild (1 more message)
04:07 <Durka> #serverdetails l a n d
04:07 <armabot> Durka: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬*Teams!*: Players (1/14): michael scott
04:07 <Durka> ok im out
04:07 <Durka> #night
04:08 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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04:17 <ghableska> #armaservers
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (8 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (8 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (4 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (3 players) || MicroBusCity.com (3 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server - Low Rubber (3 players) || Strawberry (1 more message)
04:17 <ghableska> #serverdetails styball
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (7/8): Akus, Daniiiii, Kamakazi, Legionnaire, loops, Moe'd |mbc|, |OAK|GOD
04:21 <spidey> dude
04:21 <spidey> i just made a hotdog explode..
04:24 <ghableska> 0o
04:35 <luke-jr> that's it
04:35 <luke-jr> speech recognition SUCKS
04:35 <spidey> haha
04:35 <ghableska> maybe it's just you
04:35 <spidey> yea
04:35 <spidey> he does suck, doesn't he?
04:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
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04:37 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> 99.1.  I think I broke my fever
05:02 <ghableska> :)
05:03 <ghableska> Hi.
05:04 <ghableska> err, wrong window
05:05 <arctanx> gee thanks
05:05 <arctanx> withdraw your hi then
05:06 <arctanx> :P
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05:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
05:24 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 30.0°F (10:23 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa. 
05:24 <arctanx> #weather 7008
05:25 <@armabot> arctanx: The current temperature in Woodbridge Proper, Woodbridge, New Jersey is 43.2°F (11:24 PM EST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa. 
05:25 <arctanx> :o they stole my postcode
05:25 <custang> #weather 3030
05:25 <@armabot> custang: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "3030".
05:25 <custang> lol
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05:40 <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for some scorched3d?
05:41 <arctanx> unfortunately I lack xwindows right now
05:41 <arctanx> otherwise I would
05:41 <arctanx> oh hang on
05:41  * arctanx eyes off his ibook
05:41 <arctanx> what version are they up to now?
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, 40.1d
05:42 <arctanx> far out, 40 cf
05:44 <arctanx> I wish they didn't have so many versions. Or at least had incremental patches.
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> change my mind, don't have the attention span for it
05:56 <arctanx> I once ran a scorched3d dedicated server
05:56 <arctanx> Simply because it's the only kind of server that could usefully run on a 256k/64k connection
06:22 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
06:22 <spidey> still wanna s3d?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose.  I tried earlier but couldn't concentrate on it
06:23 <spidey> hmm
06:23  * spidey has munchies >:|
06:55 <ghableska> #weather 50266
06:56 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 31.6°F (11:52 PM CST on December 31, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.88 in 977.9 hPa. 
06:57 <ghableska>  
07:00 <ghableska> happy new year :)
07:02 <ghableska> #night
07:02 <@armabot> Good night ghableska!
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07:10 <Compn> #onlineserves
07:10 <Compn> #onlineservers
07:10 <Compn> #armaservers
07:10 <@armabot> Compn: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ *Teams!* (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (4 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (1 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (1 players) || Norm's Place (1 players) || ~Dc~ Diggers Click Team Server (0 players) || Arena 51 Fight Club (0 players) || LoBo'S Habitat yea (0 players) || Wild West =Team Sumo= (0 players) || Sumo Bar (0 players) || Weasel Systems Racing (1 more message)
07:39 <Vanhayes> ugh what a fucking cold new year, need a car next time
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09:04 <epsy> hi
09:04 <Genki> hi
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09:46 <Genki> Happy New Year
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10:59 <epsy> hey
11:01 <epsy> #list
11:01 <@armabot> epsy: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
11:01 <epsy> :)
11:07 <epsy> i've a new map switcher script
11:07 <epsy> based on CT's one
11:08 <epsy> but works rather on time than hasard
11:08 <epsy> anyone interested?
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11:12 <custang> #hello
11:12 <@armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on || the continuing viability of FORTRAN. || -- Alan Perlis
11:13 <epsy> hi
11:13 <custang> haha well im going bye
11:13 <custang> #goodbye
11:13 <@armabot> Goodbye custang :(
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11:19 <epsy> anyway all is here:
11:19 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/armamapswitchscript/
11:20 <epsy> you just need to edit tron.class.php a bit
11:20 <epsy> and the other files too ><
11:20 <wrtlprnft> that's ct's old script, right?
11:20 <epsy> yeah
11:20 <epsy> but i did some changes
11:21 <wrtlprnft> why did ed have to switch the rotation script to perl :s
11:21 <epsy> i dont know
11:22 <epsy> well
11:22 <epsy> i saw a sort of round_console_message; but earlier
11:22 <epsy> on some server from cvs
11:23 <epsy> eh, svn
11:23 <epsy> ><
11:23 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:24 <epsy> it looks it's before the pause
11:24 <epsy> eg with the maps tactics on CTWF
11:24 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:24 <wrtlprnft> that's a normal console_message in everytime.cfg
11:24 <epsy> or it's an 'echo' cmd ???
11:25 <epsy> damn
11:25 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig CONSOLE_MESSAGE
11:25 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Prints a message on the console of all connected clients. (default: ) || ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Message sent to clients after every round (default: )
11:25 <epsy> i was searching for that since months
11:25 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:25 <epsy> but as echo, printf
11:25 <epsy> lol
11:25 <wrtlprnft> no, that doesn't exist
11:25 <epsy> i did saw :P
11:26 <epsy> has someone groundpig's config for his server
11:26 <epsy> i wasn't here when it did exists...
11:27 <wrtlprnft> which server?
11:27 <epsy> his sty-thing
11:29 <wrtlprnft> which mode? it ran shooting, ctf, styball, htf… everything
11:29 <epsy> lol
11:29 <epsy> i did have the same idea for my test arena
11:29 <epsy> i've a server of that sort
11:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i dunno exactly, sorry
11:30 <epsy> what is the cmd for server info?
11:30 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig er_des
11:30 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
11:30 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig er_se
11:30 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
11:30 <wrtlprnft> grr
11:31 <epsy> no; i mean for server matches
11:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:31 <epsy> for search in master server list...
11:32 <wrtlprnft> oooh, you mean armabot
11:32 <epsy> yeah
11:32 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo -v ess ca
11:32 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café (88.198.22.100:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20061115 unix dedic, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “Hetzner server, AMD64 3700+, 1Gbit/s uplink. Standard fortress settings, but with wall shrink. DEDICATED_FPS is increased to 100.“, No online players.
11:32 <epsy> k
11:32 <epsy> #serverinfo test arena
11:32 <@armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “test arena” at the moment, sorry.
11:33 <epsy> hm
11:33 <wrtlprnft> ip?
11:33 <epsy> #serverinfo kowsklan te
11:33 <@armabot> epsy: thekowsklan test arerna STILL IN PRE-ALPHA STAGE: No online players.
11:33 <epsy> that one
11:33 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v theko
11:33 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: thekowsklan shooting (82.227.65.72:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20061219 unix dedic, url: http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/, Description: “All settings at default values.“, No online players.
11:34 <epsy> there is classic play, shooting...
11:34 <epsy> ehh
11:34 <epsy> what's next...
11:34 <epsy> CTF, styball,
11:34 <epsy> and...
11:35 <epsy> hm
11:35 <epsy> lol
11:35 <epsy> ah and fortress
11:36 <epsy> and soonly mazes
11:38  * spidey yawns
12:08 <spidey> http://spidey.fallin-angels.net
12:08 <spidey> that work?
12:08 <spidey> o.O
12:11 <wrtlprnft> connecting to remote host spidey.fallin-angles.net…
12:12 <wrtlprnft> Error!
12:12 <wrtlprnft> Could not connect to remote server
12:12 <spidey> :/
12:12 <spidey> really?
12:12 <wrtlprnft> really.
12:12 <spidey> ack
12:13 <spidey> http://68.119.125.27 that?
12:14 <wrtlprnft> Not Found
12:14 <wrtlprnft> The requested URL /apache2-default/ was not found on this server.
12:14 <spidey> k
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12:45 <cusco> dudes
12:45 <cusco> I don't feel like compiling armagetronad, so Im running armagetron (old)
12:46 <cusco> when will you have.deb packages? :(
12:49 <guru3> when someone wants to make them
12:49 <epsy> what is your debian distro?
12:51 <epsy> sarge or etch?
12:51 <epsy> or sid?
12:52 <cusco> etch
12:54 <cusco> why?
12:56 <z-man> wave you tried the autopackage?
12:56 <z-man> wave -> have
12:57 <z-man> In testing, it worked well on sarge.
12:57 <z-man> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Linux_Distribution_Field_Report
13:00 <z-man> cusco: and if you're running a 64 bit version, you asked the wrong question :)
13:00 <cusco> no I ain't
13:01 <cusco> i had a problem with autopackage before
13:01 <cusco> I'll try
14:01 <spidey> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36635
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14:06 <Durka> #hello
14:07 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Procrastination means never having to say you're sorry.
14:08 <Durka> bbl
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14:08 <spidey> .......
14:08 <wrtlprnft> hibye
14:08 <wrtlprnft> hye
14:08 <spidey> lol
14:15 <epsy> k i gtg
14:15 <epsy> cya
14:15 <spidey> cya
14:16  * epsy switches to spectator mode and wont play next round
14:17 <spidey> #armaconfig spectator
14:17 <@armabot> spidey: ALLOW_VOTING_SPECTATOR: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for spectators. (default: 0) || NETWORK_SPECTATOR_TIME: If set to something bigger than zero, this is the maximal time in seconds a client without players is tolerated. (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_1: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_2: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_3: Sets (1 more message)
14:17 <spidey> #more
14:17 <@armabot> spidey: spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_4: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0)
14:17 <spidey> ??
14:17 <spidey> there is no option to disable spectators?
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14:28 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:29 <wrtlprnft> set network_spectator_time to 5 or so
14:29 <wrtlprnft> but i think that only works for the oldfashioned spectators
14:31 <wrtlprnft> x_X
14:31 <wrtlprnft> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
14:31 <wrtlprnft> /dev/hda4               75G    74G   491M 100% /
14:32 <wrtlprnft> i think i should try and free some memory
14:45 <spidey> lol
14:45 <spidey> Mem:     62240k total,    60488k used,     1752k free,     3676k buffers
14:45 <spidey> Swap:   176672k total,    26336k used,   150336k free,    10276k cached
14:47 <wrtlprnft> %$#! dead.letter
14:47 <wrtlprnft> 2 GB of redundand information from cronjobs
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 2147483647 lines
14:49 <spidey> o.o
14:50  * wrtlprnft wants to free up at least 20GB
14:52 <wrtlprnft> 1.6GB of arma binaries in debug mode
14:52 <spidey> eh
14:52 <spidey> 20gb of memory???
14:52 <spidey> wtf?
14:53 <wrtlprnft> disk memory
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16:20 <spidey> wrtlprnft, luke-jr luke-jr_work Lucifer_arma ping
16:20 <spidey> or anyone else o.O
16:20 <luke-jr> what
16:21 <spidey> debian:~# locate apache | grep -h apache^conf
16:21 <spidey>    <---what's the correct way to do that?
16:21 <luke-jr> ...
16:21 <luke-jr> wtf are you trying to do?
16:21 <wrtlprnft> do what?
16:21 <guru3> yeah...
16:21 <spidey> i can't find the apache conf file >.<
16:21 <wrtlprnft> don't even know what grep -h does
16:21 <guru3> cd /etc/apache2/
16:21 <luke-jr> which one?
16:21 <wrtlprnft> ls /etc/httpd.conf
16:22 <wrtlprnft> ls /etc/apache
16:22 <wrtlprnft> ls /etc/apache*
16:22 <guru3> locate apache 
16:22 <guru3> locate apache | grep conf
16:22 <luke-jr> grep -h doesn't work w/ stdin :p
16:22 <spidey> that's it
16:22 <luke-jr> find /etc/apache
16:22 <luke-jr> :)
16:23 <guru3> might as well do find / | grep conf
16:23 <guru3> or really
16:23 <wrtlprnft> find / would be a bit much
16:23 <guru3> find / | grep -E "conf$"
16:23 <wrtlprnft> find /etc -name '*.conf'
16:23 <guru3> or locate -e "conf$"
16:23 <wrtlprnft> why grep?!
16:24 <guru3> because i don't know how to use find properly ofc
16:24 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:24 <wrtlprnft> rm -r /etc && /etc/init.d/httpd restart
16:24 <wrtlprnft> and look for the error message to tell you where the config file has once been
16:24 <wrtlprnft> oh, duh
16:24 <spidey> ....................
16:25 <spidey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:82.148.97.69
16:25 <spidey> o.O
16:27 <wrtlprnft> how stupid is that?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> one IP for all people in a whole country?
16:29 <spidey> well
16:29 <spidey> if there's 1 isp in the whole country
16:29 <spidey> and that isp uses a proxy
16:29 <spidey> why not?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> it's still stupid to route everything through one bottleneck proxy
16:30 <spidey> heh
16:30 <spidey> ...
16:30 <wrtlprnft> though it's probably the only way to do such censorship
16:30 <spidey> linux apache2 is different than the windows version?
16:30 <spidey> # This is here for backwards compatability reasons and to support
16:30 <spidey> #  installing 3rd party modules directly via apxs2, rather than
16:30 <spidey> #  through the /etc/apache2/mods-{available,enabled} mechanism.
16:30 <spidey> #
16:30 <spidey> #LoadModule mod_placeholder /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_placeholder.so   ^^that's all that's in httpd.conf
16:30 <guru3> wrtlprnft: they could do two proxies and keep the same censorship
16:31 <wrtlprnft> how would that help?
16:31 <guru3> less of a bottleneck or something
16:31 <wrtlprnft> you'd still have 500.000 people behind a proxy
16:31 <guru3> yeah
16:39 <spidey> ok
16:39 <spidey> can anyone tell me why apache thinks /var/www/apache2-default is the webdirectory and not /var/www?
16:39 <spidey> it's not in the conf
16:40 <spidey> there isn't a .htaccess either
16:41 <wrtlprnft> i don't know
16:42 <wrtlprnft> get a distri where apache's default config is not messed up
16:42 <spidey> apache2 has a new conf
16:42 <spidey> it's apache2.conf
16:45 <spidey> distro's debian sarge :p
16:45 <spidey> ubuntu-server wouldn't install :(
16:50 <luke-jr> erm
16:50 <luke-jr> /var/www isn't supposed to be a web dir
16:50 <luke-jr> /var/www/*/htdocs is
16:51 <luke-jr> spidey: if you need to go through a proxy, it's not Intenet Service, thus not an ISP :p
16:51 <spidey> ?
16:52 <spidey> if the isp proxies then yes, it is a isp
16:52 <luke-jr> no
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16:52 <spidey> aol does the samething
16:52 <spidey> only they have more
16:52 <luke-jr> if you're required to use a proxy, you don't have Internet access
16:52 <Compn> #serverinfo fortress
16:52 <@armabot> Compn: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): $ Bushido $, 1 reyalP, alf ñ, cheese, CrAzZy, ikono, Nico, pinky, SQUIRREL, [void]Lennart48, {Super} Dragon, ~HTF~Waldkobold, °¯AshitakA
16:52 <luke-jr> thus your provider is not an ISP
16:53 <luke-jr> spidey: the default website generally belongs in /var/www/localhost/htdocs
16:54 <spidey> there isn't one
16:54 <spidey> there's a apache2-default
16:54 <luke-jr> ok, so use it
16:54 <spidey> ...
16:54 <luke-jr> or make localhost/htdocs and use that
16:54 <spidey> then the url would be http://myip/apache2-default/whatever else
16:56 <luke-jr> why?
16:57 <Compn> #serverinfo 2020
16:57 <@armabot> Compn: 2020 team challenge: No online players.
16:57 <spidey> where you listening when i explained...
16:57 <spidey> the apache server redirects traffic from http://myip to http://myip/apache2-default/
16:58 <spidey> i edited "default" in /etc/apache2/sites-availible but it still goes there
16:58 <luke-jr> you're not supposed to edit that
16:59 <spidey> it's the only thing that even has that....
16:59 <spidey> apache2.conf doesn't have it, and i dunno wtf is with the httpd.conf
16:59 <luke-jr> a2dissite default
16:59 <luke-jr> or smth like that
16:59 <spidey> ..
16:59 <luke-jr> or maybe RTFM
17:00 <spidey> #luke
17:00 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
17:00 <Compn> #serverinfo 2020
17:00 <@armabot> Compn: 2020 team challenge: Players (5/16): Kamakazi, ketamine, Nostradamus, paris, ~*SP*~Sasha
17:01 <Compn> tjoin up
17:01 <luke-jr> http://www.debianadmin.com/creating-name-based-and-ip-based-virtual-hosts-in-apache.html
17:01 <spidey> i know how to do that
17:02 <spidey> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg00001.html
17:02 <spidey> you do edit "defualt" 
17:10  * luke-jr stabs Ruby
17:10  * spidey watches as ruby pwns luke-jr
17:10  * luke-jr pwns spidey while fighting off Ruby one-handed
17:11  * spidey turns into the hulk
17:11  * spidey steps on luke-jr
17:11  * luke-jr chanserv op #armagetron
17:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
17:12 <@luke-jr> spideylog: you need to rename
17:12 <spidey> ?
17:12 <@luke-jr> :p
17:12 <@luke-jr> it messes up my tab complete
17:12 <spidey> haha
17:12 <spidey> spideylog = me :p
17:12 <@luke-jr> rename it
17:12 <@luke-jr> /nick logspidey
17:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
17:12 <spidey> the keyboard is on the otherside of the room
17:12 <spidey> :/
17:13 <luke-jr> aww
17:13 <luke-jr> why do you need a kb?
17:13 <luke-jr> :p
17:13 <luke-jr> ssh
17:13 <spidey> yea...
17:13 <spidey> i am
17:13 <spidey> but irssi is running on the box
17:13 <luke-jr> screen -r
17:13 <luke-jr> || killall irssi
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17:16 <spidey> ok
17:16 <spidey> and how do i exit screen >.<
17:18 <spidey> 'er
17:19 <spidey> looks like i'ma install wamp on windows :/
17:19  * spidey wants to test how phpbb3 reacts to a phpbb2 backup
17:28 <wrtlprnft> spidey: either exit all the running windows or do a <C-A>d
17:34 <Compn> wrtl
17:34 <Compn> cafe down for good ?
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17:37 <wrtlprnft> argh
17:37 <ghableska> hi
17:37 <wrtlprnft> i do a kernel update and 3 people tell me the server is down
17:37 <wrtlprnft> Compn: will be back up soon
17:37 <ghableska> :/
17:38 <wrtlprnft> that is, if i figure out what's wrong
17:39 <ghableska> #weather 50266
17:39 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 28.0°F (10:38 AM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Pressure: 29.24 in 990.1 hPa. 
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17:40 <epsy> hey
17:42 <epsy> #hello
17:42 <@armabot> Hello epsy :) Random Fortune: "Triumph without Victory, The Unreported History of the Persian || Gulf War", -Headline published in the U.S. News & World Report, || 1992.
17:44 <wrtlprnft> grr, is there any way to have qemu emulate scsi harddrives? :s
17:46 <epsy> i did got qemu running anyway...
17:46 <epsy> so i cant help you :/
17:46 <epsy> *i didnt*
17:49 <epsy> ssry i lag all my guests...
17:49 <epsy> cya
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17:50 <wrtlprnft> Compn: ok, the servers should be running again…
17:50 <ghableska> #armaservers
17:50 <@armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || thekowsklan shooting (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || Arena 51 Fight Club (3 players) || Palatinum's Place (3 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (3 players) || Norm's Place (2 players) || G-Land (A Swamplords server) (1 players) || Nixda's Sumo Server (1 players) || icemans network nuke zone - (1 more message)
18:09  * ghableska yawns
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19:22 <guru3> no spam on the forums lately
19:22 <guru3> looks like my hack there is working
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19:40 <ghableska> hello
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19:59 <epsy> hey
19:59 <epsy> #hello
19:59 <@armabot> Hello epsy :) Random Fortune: Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? || A: Take away his credit cards.
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20:02 <DrJoeTr0n> ok it should be running
20:03 <DrJoeTr0n> woops
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20:35 <epsy> k need to go
20:35 <epsy> cya
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21:04 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-K
21:11 <wrtlprnft> huh?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what's that referring to?
21:11  * ghableska tries out combination
21:13 <wrtlprnft> c-a-s-k doesn't do anything in konsole at least
21:20 <Compn> #armaservers
21:20 <@armabot> Compn: Norm's Place (12 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || Unnamed Server (3 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (2 players) || The Dip Bowl (0 players) || Nixda's Sumo Server (0 players) || basementUnderground.net (0 players) || Sumo & Fortress {Rotating config files} (0 players) || PIXELPARTY VOICECHAT (0 players) || Wild (1 more message)
21:20 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:20 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 33.4°F (2:18 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.27 in 991.1 hPa. 
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22:03 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit
22:03 <@armabot> spidey: [03:55:20] <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg
22:04 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:04 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 34.0°F (3:02 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Rising). 
22:04 <spidey> i don't think your weather changed in  40 minutes
22:04 <ghableska> I think it did.
22:04 <ghableska> by .6 degrees.
22:04 <ghableska> Hah.
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6633 /private/z-man/clio/ (25 files in 5 dirs):
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1047@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 19:40:58 +0100
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: New template auto-instantiation.
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: New classname determination.
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: void * are now handled like regular, unknown objects.
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: Some errors remain, mostly due to void * argument handling change and wrong
22:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: classnames.
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6634 /private/z-man/clio/ (16 files in 7 dirs):
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1048@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 21:10:39 +0100
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: all tests pass in gcc3.3 debug mode.
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6635 /private/z-man/clio/ (. autoinstantiation.hpp macros.hpp):
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1049@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 21:23:41 +0100
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: Initialization order fixes and cosmetic cleanups.
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6636 /private/z-man/clio/ (. classinfo.hpp macros.hpp):
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1050@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 21:36:54 +0100
22:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: Fixed template class instantiation.
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6637 /private/z-man/clio/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1051@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 22:04:32 +0100
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: Since no names of variables or classes get generated in macros any more, the
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: silly division of namespace and class name has been removed. The _EX macros
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: expect the full classname, including the namespace scope.
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6638 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/codesize.test/test.cpp):
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1052@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 22:09:24 +0100
22:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: Adapted to macro changes.
22:17 <ghableska> o0
22:21 <wrtlprnft> z-man seems to like his svk
22:22  * ghableska would laugh if armabot was silenced for spamming
22:23  * wrtlprnft just noticed that you can substract two pointers o_O
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
22:24 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 52.0°F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 37%. Wind: NNE at 8 mph (13 km/h).
22:26 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:26 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 5:13 PM AST; Tonight - Rain. Risk of freezing rain early this evening. Rainfall amount 10 to 15 mm. Fog patches developing early this evening. Wind south 30 km/h becoming southeast 40 gusting to 60 overnight. Temperature rising to 9 by morning.; (1 more message)
22:27 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: pretty sure C++ forbids pointer mat
22:27 <luke-jr> math*
22:27 <luke-jr> so if it works, it's either pure-C mode or a bug, I think
22:27 <wrtlprnft> no, it's a good thing
22:27 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: C-A-S-K is screen
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and it works on iterators, too
22:27 <luke-jr> not in standard C++
22:28 <wrtlprnft> how would you efficiently implement std::sort() then?
22:28 <luke-jr> no clue?
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22:28 <luke-jr> what does std::sort do w/ pointers?
22:28 <wrtlprnft> for mergesort you need to find the middle of the array/list
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22:29 <wrtlprnft> somevecor.end() - somevector.begin() works
22:29 <luke-jr> it doesn't surprise me that iterators work
22:30 <luke-jr> but they're not pointers
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> 98.7
22:30 <wrtlprnft> all the stl algos work on pointers, too
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 98.7 F in C
22:30 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:30 <wrtlprnft> ?!
22:31 <luke-jr> #g 98.7 F in Celcius
22:31 <@armabot> luke-jr: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #g 98.7 degrees farenheit in degrees celsius
22:31 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
22:31 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> !
22:31 <luke-jr> lol
22:31 <wrtlprnft> looks like google disabled their calculator
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, 98.6 is "normal"
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> which was 36.6 last night, wasn't it?
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> so fever's gone, and I'm done sweating, so I guess the fever's broken completely
22:32 <ghableska> :D
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I have to fix that vValue thing so I can build again, I'm going to first make my own branch, then fix it there
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6639 /armagetronad/branches/Io/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1061@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 22:46:52 +0100
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: Adapted to clio changes.
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added tArray master. TArray itself holds arrays of IoObjects, and you get
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: arrays of strings with "TArray With(Sequence)" and arrays of ints with
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: "TArray With(Number)". Too bad you can't create instances currently because
22:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: clio things the array default constructor is private.
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6640 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/basic.test/test.cpp):
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1059@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 22:40:38 +0100
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: added private constructor test
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6641 /private/z-man/clio/ (. macros.hpp):
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: r1060@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-01 22:44:42 +0100
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: Fixed template master name generation, it was not capitalized.
22:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: Fixed classes without public constructors.
22:50 <DrJoeTr0n> havent we had this conversation yesturday
22:50 <z-man> Yeah, I do like this svk thing.
22:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
22:52 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: [22:31:06] <luke-jr> lol, [22:30:50] <luke-jr> #g 98.7 F in Celcius, [22:29:51] <luke-jr> but they're not pointers, [22:29:37] <luke-jr> it doesn't surprise me that iterators work, [22:28:30] <luke-jr> what does std::sort do w/ pointers?, [22:28:18] <luke-jr> no clue?, [22:27:49] <luke-jr> not in standard C++, [22:27:25] <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: C-A-S-K is screen, [22:27:11] <luke-jr> so if it works, it's (11 more messages)
22:53 <luke-jr> wtf u want
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmm.  I was hoping to see something along the lines of "I fixed it you whiny prick"
22:53 <luke-jr> there's nothing to fix
22:53 <luke-jr> unless you want to tell configure that byacc is unacceptable
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody know if the ladle went off as planned?
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> or is that next week?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> next week
22:54 <wrtlprnft> last sunday was last year/month :P
22:54 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --with bison
22:54 <@armabot> luke-jr: [03:35:00] <luke-jr> so maybe Luci should use BISON instead of whatever byacc is
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.  I was wondering because I didn't see the usual spike in ad impressions that accompanies the ladle
22:55 <Lucifer_arma>        Yacc reads the grammar specification in the file filename and generates
22:55  * wrtlprnft never clicked on a google ad because the thing that was advertised sounded interesting to him
22:55 <Lucifer_arma>        an LR(1) parser for it.  The parsers consist of a set of LALR(1)  pars‐
22:55 <Lucifer_arma>        ing  tables and a driver routine written in the C programming language.
22:55 <Lucifer_arma>        Yacc normally writes the parse tables and the  driver  routine  to  the
22:55 <Lucifer_arma>        file y.tab.c.
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I have.  even on the wiki, surprisingly enough.  :)
22:56 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: note Arma is C++, not C
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, if byacc isn't right for building, why doesn't configure enforce it?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> most of the time just to give the site owner some money :P
22:56 <luke-jr> don't ask me
22:56  * wrtlprnft wonders if we could use cmake
22:56 <wrtlprnft> wormux uses it, and it's really nice compared to the autoconf mess
22:57  * Lucifer_arma is willing to entertain something that gets us away from autoconf and automake, but it would have to be damn nice to be worthwhile
22:57 <luke-jr> we just switched to automake...
22:57 <wrtlprnft> we did?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> see, as much as it might be a pain, autoconf and automake is still a step forward from where we were before it :)
22:57 <luke-jr> um, yeah
22:58 <luke-jr> is cmake that one that thinks it owns your PC?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> i just see it from the user's point of view
22:59 <luke-jr> KDE4 uses cmake, IIRC
23:00 <wrtlprnft> you run make, and you don't get a screen flushed with useless crap, but something that looks more like the kernel's compillation output, but in color and with progress information
23:00 <wrtlprnft> so it tells you roughly how far it is
23:00 <luke-jr> why not switch to menuconfig?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:00 <luke-jr> lol
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, I've tried to add color output to configure
23:02 <luke-jr> as ugly as automake might seem, I think it works best
23:02 <luke-jr> other stuff, even forks of automake, have issues cross-compiling
23:02 <wrtlprnft> as if we ever managed to cross-compile arma for windows
23:02 <luke-jr> shouldn't be hard
23:03 <wrtlprnft> we got the dedicated server IIRC
23:03 <luke-jr> but then, I've only cross-compiled Win stuff w/ qmake
23:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cross-compiler
23:06 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:06 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:07 <Vanhayes_> #time
23:07 <@armabot> Vanhayes_: 11:07 PM, January 01, 2007
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23:28 <zman> Go away, zombie!
23:30 <ghableska> 0o
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23:53 <spidey> ...
23:54 <ghableska> ....
23:54 -!- NanoRev [n=4b2420ae@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:54 <NanoRev> Anyone alive?  :P
23:54 <spidey> nope
23:54 <NanoRev> lol, we are Tron Ghouls
23:56 <NanoRev> Looks like you and I will probably square off in a couple days, spidey :P
23:56 <spidey> ...
23:57 <NanoRev> Do you know which server we're playing on, btw? o.o
23:58 <NanoRev> I need to see whether I must practice on MBC, or a server where the trons move

Log from 2007-01-02:
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00:00 <DrJoeTr0n> whats a tron?
00:01 <spidey> #lastseen NanoRev
00:02 <Vanhayes_> #ping
00:02 <@armabot> pong
00:02 <spidey> #ping
00:02 <@armabot> pong
00:02 <spidey> ......
00:02 <@armabot> spidey: timed out
00:02 <Vanhayes_> timed out then
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00:33 <Lucifer_arma> nasa are such liars
00:33 <ghableska> why?
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> their rovers have survived 4 years when they were only "expected" to survive 4 months, and now apparently they have the ability to upgrade the software on-the-fly essentially
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> clearly they expected the rovers to last much longer than 4 months
00:34 <ghableska> heh
00:34 <ghableska> they just want a good public image
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> they probably lied about the expected life of the rovers in case it turned out they screwed up again and the things didn't work
00:34 <ghableska> haha
00:35  * Lucifer_arma would love an opportunity to program one of the upgrades to one of the rovers
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> as long as they survived to 1 year, the lie held up, but now it's just feeling a bit thin.  Sure, they overdid themselves, probably nobody at nasa expected them to last *this* long still
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> but I wonder how long they projected realistically originally, you know, before they revised it to 4 months for PR
00:52 <NanoRev> One thing's for sure
00:52 <NanoRev> Microsoft wasn't involved
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01:07 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:07 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 29.5°F (6:02 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa. 
01:19 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:20 <Durka> #hello
01:20 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: I can't live the button-down life like you. I want it all! The || terrifying lows, the dizzying highs, the creamy middles! || -- Homer Simpson || Lisa's Rival
01:25  * luke-jr stabs svn
01:26 <Durka> lol
01:28  * luke-jr stabs Durka too
01:28 <ghableska> :)
01:28  * luke-jr also stabs ghableska
01:29 <ghableska> hi there!
01:33  * Durka ow
01:33 <Durka> #roulette
01:33 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:35 <Durka> #ping
01:35 <@armabot> pong
01:36 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:36 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
01:36 <luke-jr> :)
01:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:36 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 29.1°F (6:35 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa. 
01:36 <ghableska> erm, I mean
01:36 <ghableska> #roulette
01:36 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:44 <Durka> #roulette
01:44 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:44 <Durka> luke's turn now :p
01:44 <Durka> TOUCHDOWN MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!
01:45 <Durka> W00T!!!!
01:45 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:45 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
01:45  * Durka pokes ghab (ur turn :p)
01:45  * luke-jr thinks its Durka's turn
01:45 <Durka> no...
01:45 <Durka> lol
01:45 <Durka> fine =/
01:45 <Durka> #roulette
01:45 <luke-jr> lol
01:45 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:45  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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01:46 <luke-jr> :)
01:46  * Durka roflcoptor
01:46 <Durka> so luke did u ever get around to puttin the files up?
01:46 <luke-jr> still waiting for legit to respond :p
01:46 <spidey> ..............
01:47 <Durka> lol
01:47 <Durka> spidey!
01:47 <Durka> w00t!
01:47 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:47 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
01:47 <Durka> finish the image website yet? :p
01:47 <Durka> #roulette
01:47 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
01:48 <luke-jr> image website?
01:48 <Durka> lol ya
01:48 <Durka> spidey's making a site thats just a few images
01:48 <Durka> and a lot of image maps for links
01:48 <spidey> i'm not
01:48 <Durka> tis cool
01:48 <luke-jr> ...
01:48 <Durka> its cool
01:49 <spidey> someone else is making a photoshop layout
01:49 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:49 -!- luke-jr was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:49 <spidey> one of the clanmembers
01:49 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:49 <luke-jr> crap
01:49 <spidey> #luke
01:49 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
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01:49 <luke-jr> #roulette --spin
01:49 <ghableska> O_o
01:49 <@armabot> luke-jr: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
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01:49 <luke-jr> #roulette spin
01:49 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:50 <spidey> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:50 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:50 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
01:50 <luke-jr> Durka: ghableska
01:50 <Durka> #roulette
01:50 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:50  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:50 <luke-jr> ROFL
01:50 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:50 <Durka> =/
01:51 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img 
01:51 <@armabot> spidey: [22:03:39] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit
01:51 <luke-jr> lol
01:51 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit
01:51 <@armabot> spidey: [01:51:05] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img, [22:03:39] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit, and [03:55:20] <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg
01:51 <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg
01:51 <spidey> that's what he's talking abou
01:51 <Durka> ya
01:51 <Durka> lol
01:51 <spidey> +t
01:52 <Durka> huge play for usc
01:52 <Durka> go michigan!
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01:52 <luke-jr> #roulette spin
01:52 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:52 <luke-jr> #roulette
01:52 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
01:52 <Durka> fuck
01:53 <Durka> wow touchdown for usc
01:53 <Durka> 62 yard TD :(
01:53 <Durka> #roulette
01:53 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:53 <ghableska> heh
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01:53 <Durka> wow
01:53 <luke-jr> lol
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01:53 <spidey> wow
01:54 <spidey> that was stupid
01:54 <spidey> #last --nolimit
01:54 <@armabot> spidey: [01:53:51] <spidey> that was stupid, [01:53:48] <spidey> wow, [01:53:30] <luke-jr> lol, [01:53:15] <Durka> wow, [01:53:11] <ghableska> heh, [01:53:05] <Durka> #roulette, [01:52:58] <Durka> 62 yard TD :(, [01:52:53] <Durka> wow touchdown for usc, [01:52:48] <Durka> fuck, [01:52:25] <luke-jr> #roulette, [01:52:16] <luke-jr> #roulette spin, [01:52:01] <Durka> go michigan!, [01:51:58] <Durka> huge play for usc, (50 more messages)
01:54 <Durka> #more
01:54 <@armabot> Durka: Fortress= (1 players) || Strawberry Fields (1 players) || ~Dc~ Diggers Click Team Server (0 players) || Arena 51 Fight Club (0 players) || LoBo'S Habitat yea (0 players) || Wild West =Team Sumo= (0 players)
01:54 <luke-jr> spidey: ?
01:55 <spidey> i clicked the X when i ment to click _
01:55 <luke-jr> lol
01:59 <Durka> wow that #more was for when i typed #armaservers about 10 hours ago o_O
02:00 <ghableska> #more
02:00 <@armabot> ghableska: www.icemans.net (1 players) || Wild West =Labyrinth CTF= (Experimental) (1 players) || thekowsklan test arena STILL IN PRE-ALPHA STAGE (0 players) || thekowsklan classic (0 players) || ~Dc~ Diggers Click Team Server (0 players)
02:00 <Durka> lol
02:01 <luke-jr> #more
02:01 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
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02:13 <spidey> ..
02:17 <Durka> #more Lucifer_arma
02:17 <@armabot> Durka: Error: Lucifer_arma has no public mores.
02:17 <Durka> #more guru3
02:17 <@armabot> Durka: players) || Wild West =Wild Fortress= (0 players) || Wild West =Labyrinth CTF= (Experimental) (0 players) || Wild West =Fortress= (0 players) || Fortress (0 players) || BFAM--Brotherz From Another Motherz (0 players)
02:17  * ghableska wonders if he should set this to his wallpaper http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44722066/
02:18 <Durka> lol
02:18 <guru3> what's a #more?
02:18 <ghableska> BFAM? o.0
02:19 <Durka> make it this
02:19 <Durka> http://nicholasparedes.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/nytimes_teamamerica.jpg
02:19 <spidey> http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/gir2413/doublepostoa5.gif
02:19 <spidey> i liked that
02:20 <ghableska> that would look *very* bad on a 1024x1280 screen
02:20 <spidey> lol
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's right, all of my mores are private
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02:33 <Durka> lmao
02:33 <Durka> nice spidey
02:33 <Durka> #more spidey
02:33 <@armabot> Durka: [01:51:32] <spidey> +t, [01:51:32] <Durka> lol, [01:51:31] <Durka> ya, [01:51:27] <spidey> that's what he's talking abou, [01:51:23] <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg, [01:51:16] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit, [01:51:13] <luke-jr> lol, [01:51:05] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img, [01:50:48] <Durka> =/, [01:50:43] <luke-jr> ROFL, [01:50:39] (49 more messages)
02:33 <Durka> #more spidey
02:33 <@armabot> Durka: [01:51:32] <spidey> +t, [01:51:32] <Durka> lol, [01:51:31] <Durka> ya, [01:51:27] <spidey> that's what he's talking abou, [01:51:23] <spidey> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/768/previewyw1.jpg, [01:51:16] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img --nolimit, [01:51:13] <luke-jr> lol, [01:51:05] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with http://img, [01:50:48] <Durka> =/, [01:50:43] <luke-jr> ROFL, [01:50:39] (49 more messages)
02:33 <Durka> #more Vanhayes
02:33 <@armabot> Durka: Tuesday - Rain ending in the morning then cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Rainfall amount 2 to 4 mm. Wind southeast 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming northwest 40 gusting to 70 in the morning. Temperature falling to minus 3 in the evening. Tuesday night..clearing early in the evening. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 70. Low minus 8.; Wednesday - Sunny. High plus 3.;
02:33 <spidey> ..................................................
02:34 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:34 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 9:11 PM AST; Tonight - Rain. Risk of freezing rain early this evening. Rainfall amount 10 to 15 mm. Fog patches developing early this evening. Wind south 30 km/h becoming southeast 40 gusting to 60 overnight. Temperature rising to 9 by morning.; (1 more message)
02:34 <Vanhayes> #more
02:34 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Tuesday - Rain ending in the morning then cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Rainfall amount 2 to 4 mm. Wind southeast 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming northwest 40 gusting to 70 in the morning. Temperature falling to minus 3 in the evening. Tuesday night..clearing early in the evening. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 70. Low minus 8.; Wednesday - Sunny. High plus 3.;
02:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:34 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 28.0°F (7:33 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa. 
02:34 <Durka> #weather 90049
02:34 <@armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Santa Monica, California is 59.0°F (4:51 PM PST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa.  Wind Advisory in effect until 3 PM PST Tuesday for areas below passes and canyons between Hollywood Hills and Malibu...
02:35 <Durka> #g 1+1
02:35 <@armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:35 <Durka> #g 1+1
02:35 <@armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:35 <Durka> wow...
02:35 <Durka> ummm
02:35 <Vanhayes> #g 1 + 1
02:35 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:35 <Vanhayes> guess its broke
02:35 <Vanhayes> #help g 
02:35 <@armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
02:43 <Durka> #g 100-1
02:43 <@armabot> Durka: 100 - 1 = 99
02:43 <Durka> #g 1+1
02:43 <@armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:43 <Durka> weird
02:44 <ghableska> #g 1 + 1
02:44 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:44 <ghableska> #g 2+2
02:44 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:44 <ghableska> #g 2-3
02:44 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:47 <Durka> #g wrtl+prnft
02:47 <@armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:56 <Durka> #ping
02:56 <@armabot> pong
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> google appears to have shut down their calculator
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> I even tried it through the web interface and it didn't work
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> #google does anything work?
03:17 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.13 seconds: ABC News: Does Anything Work When Battling a Hangover?: <http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1458572>; Does anything work ?!: <http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/14_2620_0.html>; Topic: Does anything work ?! @ Work at Home Forum: <http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/topic_rss.php?topic=2620>; Inside SWT: How does anything work ?: <http://inside- (3 more messages)
03:18 <ghableska> apparently
03:21 <GodTodd> #g 1+1=
03:21 <Durka> #g 100-1
03:21 <@armabot> GodTodd: 1 + 1 = 2
03:21 <@armabot> Durka: 100 - 1 = 99
03:22 <GodTodd> #g 1+1
03:22 <Durka> #g 1+1
03:22 <@armabot> GodTodd: 1 + 1 = 2
03:22 <@armabot> Durka: 1 + 1 = 2
03:22 <Durka> lol
03:22 <Durka> X)
03:22 <GodTodd> working for me
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
03:22 <GodTodd> #g 10+43-43/4*5
03:22 <@armabot> GodTodd: 10 + 43 - ((43 / 4) * 5) = -0.75
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it just started working again :)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> #google define idiot
03:23 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.17 seconds: Definition of Idiot from dictionary.net: <http://www.dictionary.net/idiot>; Ask The Idiot for creative and innovative ideas and perspectives: <http://www.acrologic.co.uk/guest/asktheidiot.html>; VikingPhoenix.com - Definitions and Glossary: <http://vikingphoenix.com/Internet/reference/defglos.htm>; Mighty Hunter, or Village Idiot ? The Fight to Define Attention ...: (2 more messages)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> #google define:idiot
03:23 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: No matches found. (Search took 0.01 seconds)
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> google plugin just doesn't support that :/
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> yay.  Put in "Armagetron Advanced" and hit I'm Feeling Lucky
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> works for my name, too
03:35 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:35  * Lucifer_arma didn't just discover "I'm Feeling Lucky", he was just wondering how useful it was for some things
03:35 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 40.5°F (8:35 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.35 in 1027.7 hPa. 
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: got any new material for the website tonight?
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to be writing something as soon as this room quiets down
03:36 <GodTodd> not yet...finishing up my oral presentation for tomorrow and studying a bit for the test on wednesday :/
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok.  :)
03:36 <GodTodd> i'm hoping to this week tho :)
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's really sweet.  My daughter wants to help her older brother set up a lemonade stand so he can buy his younger brother a birthday present
03:38 <GodTodd> she getting a cut?
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'll go ask
03:39 <GodTodd> heh
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> manipulative little bitch
03:42 <GodTodd> she's getting a cut?
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> she's planning on taking half, but she's got her brother all hyped up over buying the present, and she hasn't bothered telling him she gets half
03:42  * Lucifer_arma smiles proudly at his daughter
03:42 <GodTodd> haha
03:42 <GodTodd> yep...she's your kid :)
03:59 <GodTodd> stupid partner
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> ?
03:59 <GodTodd> sent me a fucking pptx file
04:01 <GodTodd> make me download a trial version of office 2007 then send me the ppt files....so now i have to reinstall my pirated office xp to get back where i started
04:01 <GodTodd> :/
04:03 <GodTodd> mostly because school doesn't yet use office 2007
04:04 <GodTodd> *and* he's one of those UT farts from Austin
04:04 <GodTodd> :)
04:08 <GodTodd> #dance
04:08 <@armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
04:08 <ghableska> o0
04:09 <GodTodd> #weather 50266
04:09 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 26.2°F (9:07 PM CST on January 01, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa. 
04:10 <Vanhayes> #joke
04:10 <@armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
04:11 <GodTodd> #luke
04:11 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
04:11 <Vanhayes> heh are those all yours?
04:11 <GodTodd> heh...yeah
04:15 <GodTodd> well...not weather ;)
04:17 <Durka> #luke
04:17 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
04:17 <Durka> #roulette
04:17 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
04:17 <Durka> #night
04:17 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
04:17 <Durka> #roulette
04:17 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
04:17 <Durka> #roulette
04:17 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
04:17 <Durka> #roulette
04:17 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
04:17 <Durka> #roulette
04:17 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:17 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
04:17 -!- Vanhayes was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
04:17  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:17  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:17 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034196079.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
04:17 <Vanhayes> ha
04:18 <Vanhayes> double barreled gun this time
04:19 <GodTodd> maybe it's polish roulette
04:20 <GodTodd> 6 bullets ;)
04:28 <GodTodd> hmmm....if necessity is the mother of invention then is laziness its father?
04:29 <Vanhayes> wouldnt laziness be the father of innovation, seeing as the thing is already invented?
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.geocities.com/versetrue/rowling.htm  <--- I knew there was a reason Harry Potter was evil
04:33  * Lucifer_arma points out the linked page is more like a black helicopter webpage, but it at least summarizes some interesting information
04:39 <GodTodd> Vanhayes: no, i mean, for instance inventing the recliner because you're too lazy to go from the chair to the bed
04:40 <Vanhayes> ah,  ok 
04:41 <GodTodd> and the fact that the point of most inventions is to 'make our lives easier'
04:41 <GodTodd> aka so we don't have to work as hard
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> the bread machine is the greatest invention ever
04:58 <spidey> Real Madrid is first in the league and Real Betis is fifth while Osasuna is right between them. If Barcelona has more points than Celta Vigo and Celta Vigo is exactly below Osasuna then who is second?
04:58 <spidey> o.O
05:00 <arctanx> Barcelona?
05:01 <spidey> lol
05:02 <arctanx> What kind of a lame riddle is that?
05:02 <[NP]Tangent> ahahahaha
05:03 <[NP]Tangent> I just pissed off a bunch of young high shcool kids
05:03 <[NP]Tangent> talking about lighting a copy of The Notebook on fire was the most brilliant thing I have ever done
05:03 <arctanx> It's not hard to do
05:04 <arctanx> What? What's that?
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Barcelona
05:04  * Lucifer_arma has the same question arctanx has, what kind of a lame riddle is that?
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> what is "The NOtebook"?
05:05 <arctanx> yep
05:05 <GodTodd> lame chick book
05:05 <[NP]Tangent> yeah
05:05 <[NP]Tangent> a movie now
05:05 <GodTodd> yeah
05:05 <spidey> #g 2*2*10 /20
05:05 <@armabot> spidey: (2 * 2 * 10) / 20 = 2
05:05 <GodTodd> lame chick flick
05:05 <arctanx> 2?
05:06 <GodTodd> same as 2*20/20
05:06 <GodTodd> 2
05:06 <GodTodd> or 2x/x
05:06 <GodTodd> 2
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> 2y/y
05:06 <GodTodd> haha
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> 2x^2/x^2
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> (2+1)/(0+1.5)
05:07 <arctanx> or 2sin(pi/4)/cos(pi/4) ;)
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:08 <arctanx> or 2*e^(i*pi)/-1
05:08 <arctanx> the point is it's 2
05:09 <GodTodd> correctomundo
05:09 <GodTodd> well that and the notebook is lame
05:09 <GodTodd> :)
05:09 <arctanx> #g 2*e^(i*pi)/-1
05:09 <@armabot> arctanx: (2 * (e^(i * pi))) / (-1) = 2
05:10 <arctanx> far out
05:10 <arctanx> that bot is more smart than I was prepared to give it credit for
05:10 <arctanx> #g sin(pi/3)
05:10 <@armabot> arctanx: sin(pi / 3) = 0.866025404
05:11 <arctanx> of course
05:11 <arctanx> google is smart ;)
05:17 <GodTodd> #g sqrt(3)/2
05:17 <@armabot> GodTodd: sqrt(3) / 2 = 0.866025404
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> #g e^(i*pi)
05:18 <GodTodd> #g sqrt(-1)
05:18 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: e^(i * pi) = -1
05:18 <@armabot> GodTodd: sqrt(-1) = i
05:19 <GodTodd> heh
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I've forgotten something important, I'm not seeing how e^i*pi is -1
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(pi)
05:19 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(pi) = 1.14472989
05:20 <GodTodd> #g e^i
05:20 <@armabot> GodTodd: e^i = 0.540302306 + 0.841470985 i
05:21 <luke-jr> #roulette
05:22 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, [NP]Tangent (hi there!) : why were they angry you suggested setting that particular book on fire?
05:23 <[NP]Tangent> eh
05:23 <[NP]Tangent> kids
05:23 <[NP]Tangent> I'd assume "emo"
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok.  Not just general opposition to book-burning, then?
05:27 <[NP]Tangent> nope
05:27 <[NP]Tangent> it wasn't book burning
05:27 <[NP]Tangent> DVD burning
05:27 <[NP]Tangent> :D
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> how bad can it be?  It had James Garner in it...
05:30 <GodTodd> i hear if you watch it too much your dick recesses and becomes a clitoris
05:31 <[NP]Tangent> hahahaha
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> Had helped organize Martin Luther King's march on Washington for Civil Rights, four years before going to Vietnam. (1963)  <--- About James Garner
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> "I came from Oklahoma. I was born and raised in the Depression. Now, you want to put some pressure on somebody, well, live through the Depression. In Oklahoma. In the dust. And then the flood followed... So studio executives don't bother me at all."
05:38  * Lucifer_arma likes James Garner :)
05:38  * GodTodd didn't say anything bad about James Garner :)
05:39 <GodTodd> he was Rockford, wasn't he?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> yes, he was
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> he also did Support your local sheriff
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think Jennifer Garner is his daughter, but I"m not sure
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> now, [NP]Tangent (hi there!) , you should direct your emo friends to this:
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Beautiful_Mind_%28film%29
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's the anti-emo movie, I think
05:46 <GodTodd> heh
05:46 <GodTodd> that was a weird movie
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> I liked it.  :)
05:50 <GodTodd> yeah..it was good
05:50 <GodTodd> just...weird :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I particularly liked the presentation of how the antipsychotic medicine interfered with his thinking and crushed his ability to do math
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> so he decided to quit taking the medicine, and ultimately worked it out
05:56 <GodTodd> yep
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05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I like those two things.  The first because everytime you're given some sort of mind-drug, you're told it will clear up your mind and make you think better
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> and the second because it suggests it might be possible to work around mental problems without drugs
05:57 <GodTodd> i think it is possible, personally
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> don't know if that's a generalization that applies to ADD and friends, but I suspect some things, like Bipolar Disorder, work
05:58 <GodTodd> ADD is over-diagnosed
05:58 <GodTodd> overly*
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I do question even the existence of such disorders, and then the causes, but what do I know, eh?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> in some part of my mind I have to accept the possibility I'm wrong, and the possibility I might personally be ADHD and/or Bipolar
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> in which case, what do I do about it?  :)
05:58 <GodTodd> "that kid stole a car" "well, he *is* ADD, you know."
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I wrote my comp I research paper on the subject of overdiagnosis of such disorders
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I focused on ADD, but bipolar disorder came up a lot, and ADHD was mentioned more in the research I did than ADD, although the two were usually mentioned together
06:00 <GodTodd> thing is...i don't think ADD is really a disorder...it's a conditioning by tv and such
06:01 <GodTodd> yeah...ADD and ADHD are interchangeable IIRC
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I think a lot of the fog would be cleared up if your general practitioner had more psychological training and coordinated mental health as well
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> you really need someone who can look at it and say "What if it is mercury poisoning?"
06:01 <GodTodd> true
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> see, there *are* lots of physical conditions that can cause those symptoms.  But if you just look at the symptoms, rush off to a psychologist, and then take your psychologist's note to your GP to get a prescription,
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't solved the problem!
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, that's what people do.
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> psychologists aren't trained MDs!  Psychiatrists are, but that doesn't mean they won't opt for the $150/hour counseling over a referral to a specialist
06:02 <GodTodd> and, sadly, most of the time it's parents that don't take the time to try and get to the bottom of it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> no!  They want a pill that will cure their kid's problems, or at least disown them of the responsibility
06:03 <GodTodd> yep
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> then there's teachers trying to get more funding for their schools.  My former sister-in-law had to deal with that.  She had a teacher for one of her kids that told her he couldn't go there anymore without a Ritalin prescription.
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> I just can't wait until one of my kids' teachers tells me I need to get him/her something like that
06:04 <GodTodd> heh
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> my son's first grade teacher took a step in that direction by suggesting he needed a speech therapist
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> see, when a kid gets diagnosed ADD/ADHD, that means more funding for the schools
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> same with speech therapy
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, it just so happened that the thing she was recommending him for was a regression that came from one of his friends, he could say "y" and "l" separately before school started
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> and she completely failed to notice his r's and one other letter (which I've forgotten)
06:06 <GodTodd> well...i'm of two minds on that...my ex tried to say that my son was diagnosed with asperger's so the school could get more funding...
06:06 <GodTodd> i disagreed
06:08 <GodTodd> i realize there are a lot of cases where that is true (that the school is just trying to get the funding/they just slap a label on a kid for convenience) but those are usually cases that are easily resolvable by the parents being involved and actually knowing their kids
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, like most things, I'm reading the asperger's page and thinking "That's me, that's me, that's not me, that's me"
06:08 <GodTodd> such as in your son's case
06:10 <GodTodd> heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> People with AS typically have a highly pedantic way of speaking, using a far more formal register of language than appropriate for a context. A five-year-old child with this condition may regularly speak in language that could easily have come from a university textbook, especially concerning his or her special area of interest
06:10  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes that there is a growing body of evidence indicating the geek stereotype is really just Asperger's
06:10 <GodTodd> it would almost seem so
06:13 <GodTodd> heh...i got calls from the counsellor at my son's school the week before Christmas
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  In reading the wikipedia page, I can't help but think "It would be so awesome to have a kid with asperger's"
06:14 <GodTodd> apparently they were concerned with a certain thing he had taken to saying
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't "fuck you", was it?
06:14 <GodTodd> when he farts he likes to say "wooo, smells like suicide" and then laugh
06:15 <GodTodd> nah...that was kindergarten
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> where did he get that?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> In some cases, people with AS may have an odd way of walking, and may display compulsive finger, hand, arm or leg movements,[31] including tics and stims.  <--- that would explain the head-shaking I do
06:16 <GodTodd> apparently he had heard me tell my wife, after taking an especially greasy shit, not to go into the bathroom for a while because it would be suicide...then he adapted it
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> my parents say they had me "checked out" for autism and the tests were all negative, but this would have been in the 70s, and they've got nothing to explain the head-shaking
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha.  So he generalized it, that's cool.  I might have to start saying that, that's awesome.
06:17 <GodTodd> yeah...they're finding a lot of our generation that would have been diagnosed if they had known what to actually look for
06:17 <GodTodd> hey...i thought it was a step in the right direction....he's adapting things instead of copying...that's better than a few years ago :)
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Some people with AS experience varying degrees of sensory overload and are extremely sensitive to touch, smells, sounds, tastes, and sights. They may prefer soft clothing, familiar scents, or certain foods.  <--- this whole paragraph is interesting
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's just getting older.  Just wait until he starts coming up with his own shit.  ;)
06:18 <GodTodd> he does
06:19 <GodTodd> and yeah...having an AS kid is interesting
06:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you talking about the head-bobbing you do when you walk?
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> here's something interesting:
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> Asperger’s observations, published in German, were not widely known until 1981, when an English doctor named Lorna Wing published a series of case studies of children showing similar symptoms, which she called “Asperger’s Syndrome".  <--- meaning they may not have even known to look for it when I was young enough for them to be looking
06:21 <GodTodd> yep
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> I do the head-bobbing all the time, and it takes somewhat conscious effort to stop
06:21 <GodTodd> yeah...i remember the head bobbing
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> and with the way my parents take something they want to hear as fact and then always think it's fact afterwards, there's no way new research coming to light would have affected their base view
06:22 <GodTodd> heh
06:22 <GodTodd> my mom now thinks that i have/had AS
06:22 <GodTodd> having seen my son a bit
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> Even though no consensus exists for the cause(s) of AS, it is widely accepted that AS has a hereditary factor
06:23 <GodTodd> yep
06:23 <GodTodd> they can't prove it tho
06:23 <GodTodd> yet
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> probably all they've got right now is correlation
06:24 <GodTodd> yeah...that and the fact that they didn't know until 25 years ago wtf it was
06:24 <GodTodd> so they're going on people's memories and shit
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> Unintended side effects of medication and intervention have largely been ignored in the literature about treatment programs for children or adults,[58] and there are claims that some treatments are not ethical and do more harm than good.[59][60]
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> [edit] 
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is fairly new in the grand scheme of things.
06:25 <GodTodd> yep
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> that rates it in there with ADD/ADHD and Bipolar Disorder for when it started getting focus
06:26 <GodTodd> and i don't really see it as a disorder except insofar as dyslexia is a disorder
06:26 <GodTodd> it's more of a complication you learn to work around
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's part of the debate.  If 20% of the population is affected by it, can it really be classed as a "disorder"?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe AS doesn't figure into that, but ADHD easily does
06:28 <GodTodd> true
06:28 <GodTodd> #g 1/166
06:28 <@armabot> GodTodd: 1 / 166 = 0.00602409639
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> BD for that matter.  In the 90s, we were seeing diagnoses rates over 20%.  One school I uncovered in my research had over 50% of their students diagnosed ADD or ADHD, and they were a regular public school!
06:29 <GodTodd> heh
06:29 <GodTodd> personally i think ADD is a bs disorder
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> Individuals with AS may make great intellectual contributions: published case reports suggest an association with accomplishments in computer science, mathematics, and physics. The deficits associated with AS may be debilitating, but many individuals experience positive outcomes, particularly those who are able to excel in areas less dependent on social interaction, such as mathematics, music, and the sciences.[1]
06:30 <GodTodd> then again, what do i know? :)
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I suspect ADD is for real.  :/
06:30 <arctanx> Hehe I have some AS
06:30 <GodTodd> i don't believe it is a disorder persay
06:30 <luke-jr> #roulette
06:30 <arctanx> It's not serious, but I meet too many of the criteria'
06:30 <GodTodd> perse*
06:30 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
06:30 <GodTodd> blah
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd expect the whole set of mental disorders to look a lot different in 50 years when they know more about the brain in general
06:30 <GodTodd> it's a conditioning :P
06:31 <arctanx> I tend to speak more formally, like soft clothes and routine, am sensitive to sound and touch
06:31  * GodTodd touches arctanx.
06:31 <spidey> hmm
06:31 <GodTodd> stfu spidey
06:31 <GodTodd> :)
06:31 <spidey> quote worthy :p
06:32 <arctanx> It's also taken me until this year or so (I'm 18 now) to become close to socially adjusted
06:32 <arctanx> and damn it's a good feeling
06:32  * GodTodd still isn't socially adjusted.
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "<spidey> hmm  <GodTodd> stfu spidey"
06:32 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
06:32 <spidey> ..
06:32 <spidey> * GodTodd touches arctanx.   <---that's quote worthy
06:32 <spidey> :p
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "<spidey> hmm  <GodTodd> stfu spidey"
06:32 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.  Quote #41 added.
06:33  * GodTodd still isn't socially adjusted and is "eighteenish".
06:33 <GodTodd> :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> the thing that's getting me about this AS page is that for every symptom, I'm thinking of how I had to learn specific skills to counter
06:33 <spidey> more like 40ish
06:33 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: It's funny like that, isn't it
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I have several scripts I've put together over the years that I go through for small-talk.  I didn't use to be able to small talk at all.
06:34 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yep...that's the challenge of an AS kid...teaching them the ways to counter the different way of thinking
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I have to take it with a grain of salt, I've read a number of pages on various disorders with the same reaction
06:34 <arctanx> Before I read any of the asperger's stuff, I realised that I had some things that I did that were a little weird, and made a conscious effort to behave differently
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm particularly interested in the autistic spectrum because those resonate the strongest, but even so....
06:35 <arctanx> When I was younger I used to have to put the same number of steps on every slab of concrete on a footpath
06:35 <arctanx> and would go to great pains to achieve this
06:35 <luke-jr> #roulette spin
06:35 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah!
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I still do that!  :)
06:35 <GodTodd> arctanx: i did that !
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> it irritates my wife to no end
06:35 <luke-jr> #roulette
06:35 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
06:35 <GodTodd> i used to count everything too
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> then I get really confused on those long rock/cement things were there aren't separate slabs
06:35 <GodTodd> and it had to be an even number
06:35 <arctanx> I had the mental revelation that I was being obsessive-compulsive and needed to relax and just take things how they are
06:36 <arctanx> and I think I'm a better person
06:36 <arctanx> Anyway, time for work
06:36 <GodTodd> i almost choked many times at the water fountain trying to get to 20
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> I finally realized just a few weeks ago that the main reason I like heavy metal is because there's no abrupt noises, it's one continuous wall of noise
06:36 <luke-jr> it's because a change means that one way was worse than the other :p
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> can't say that about much music
06:36 <luke-jr> so it makes sense to try to standardize # of steps per slab
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I've really noticed how much various noises annoy me recently.  My wife can tone them out, but the same noises drive me crazy
06:37 <GodTodd> same here
06:37 <GodTodd> then i get the "you need to just chill" speech
06:37 <GodTodd> heh
06:38 <luke-jr> opposite here
06:38 <luke-jr> I can tone anything out
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> Most patients presenting in clinical settings with AS have other comorbid psychiatric disorders.[68] Children are likely to present with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), while depression is a common diagnosis in adolescents and adults.[68] A study of referred adult patients found that 30% presenting with ADHD had ASD as well.
06:38 <luke-jr> my wife gets annoyed by the quietest stuff
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> that part's not surprising, every single "disorder" says that
06:39 <GodTodd> yeah
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, we went to atomic clocks because I got obsessive about wanting all my clocks to have the same time on them, but was too lazy to do it by hand
06:39 <luke-jr> lol
06:39 <GodTodd> man....you should see my son when i forget to change the calendars
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have had to deal with depression a lot throughout my life.  In fact, the reason I'm so hardcore with the anti-depression attitude is because it carries me when I get depressed
06:39 <GodTodd> it's not pretty
06:39 <luke-jr> I'd be like that, if I paid much attention to the clocks :p
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> haha
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter goes nuts over the calendar, but that may be because she's recently learned how to read them
06:40 <GodTodd> my son used to read calendars like they were novels
06:40 <GodTodd> and he used to be able to tell you what day a certain date was
06:40 <GodTodd> as long as it was in the past
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> Some professionals contend that, far from being a disease, AS is simply the pathologizing of neurodiversity that should be celebrated, understood and accommodated instead of "treated" or "cured".
06:41 <GodTodd> right on!
06:41 <GodTodd> :)
06:41 <GodTodd> that's my take on it
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'd say that's mostly true about them all.  :)
06:42 <GodTodd> it's not a disease...it's just a different way of thinking
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> just like you take a kid who can't read and teach them how to read, you should take a kid with a deficiency and teach them skills to compensate
06:42 <GodTodd> yep
06:42 <GodTodd> and i've assumed that as my job...i'm his father after all
06:42 <luke-jr> you're also assuming iti's a deficiency
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> my wife and I have a large focus on teaching our kids skills to compensate for deficiencies, and also on how to determine their own deficiencies and determine skills they can learn to compensate
06:43 <luke-jr> and not just another way of doing the same thing
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> we both have something of a fear of someone forcing some sort of treatment on them that they don't need, and she can at least speak from experience that most of the treatment hurts more than it helps
06:43 <GodTodd> truly
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> now, if they *need* it, we're all for it, but the current climate in this area being what it is, we'd rather they do without
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. it'll take a very strong argument for us to support a need for treatment
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> just showing me your doctoral dissertation won't do it
06:45 <GodTodd> thing is...my son is leaps and bounds further along in his deficient areas in just 3 years....we've just focused him on coping skills more
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> He contends that the term "difference" is more neutral, and that this small shift in a term could mean the difference between a diagnosis of AS being received as a family tragedy, or as interesting information, such as learning that a child is left-handed.
06:46 <GodTodd> anger/frustration management, time management, focusing on work, interpersonal communication....that sort of thing
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> what is life other than learning to cope with reality?
06:46 <GodTodd> yep
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> People with AS often get along a lot better with those considerably older or younger than them, rather than those their own age.  <--- that would certainly explain the age difference between me and my wife
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's not so pronounced now, but we've been married almost 11 years
06:54 <GodTodd> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> Even with support, AS parents simply may not be up to the enormous task. Raising a neurotypical child involves complex emotional interaction between parent and child, as well as the ability to avoid parental behaviors damaging to a child's well-being.  <--- WHy would an AS parent *want* to raise a neurotypical kid anyway?
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> Cure Autism Now, or CAN, is an American organization dedicated to genocide against autistics by accelerating the pace of biomedical research and prenatal testing of autism through fundraising for research projects, education and outreach.  <--- This is NPOV???
07:00 <GodTodd> npov?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> neutral point of view
07:01 <GodTodd> ah
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> although I do strongly disagree with using DNA testing to decide whether or not to get an abortion
07:01 <GodTodd> definitely
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> we were offered it for all of our kids, and when my wife couldn't promise not to abort the baby if she didn't like the results, we agreed not to get the testing done
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...we turned it down too
07:03 <luke-jr> #roulette
07:03 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
07:03  * luke-jr notes usually autism is caused by vaccines
07:04  * GodTodd notes that luke-jr is usually full of shit. :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> Those who have diagnosed themselves as autistic would not necessarily be seen as autistic by doctors and may instead be suffering from Medical Textbook Syndrome (reading about a condition and thinking they have it).
07:08  * Lucifer_arma is glad now that he's ignoring luke-jr (hi there!) 
07:09 <GodTodd> they have a different name for hypochondria now?
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I like that one.  :)  It's not the same as hypochondria, though...
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I have to walk away from something I read and let it simmer for awhile to avoid suffering from MTS :)
07:10 <GodTodd> same here
07:14 <GodTodd> i've taken some of the "autism tests/questionaires" but don't really take them seriously...it's like taking an IQ test online
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> I still say that attempting to cure all emotional/neurological disorders is a mistake
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> just accepting my terminology for a moment
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> see, most of these disorders are defined in relationship to "normal"
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but the fact is, for someone to do something abnormal, they must *be* abnormal
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> so to be a great inventor, you have to be more than a normal inventor
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> so if you cure all of these "disorders", you've gotten rid of exceptional people, and no more exceptional feats can be expected from the human race
07:17 <GodTodd> yep
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, you take the bad with the good.  On the other end of the curve are the people who aren't normal and fail to adjust
07:18 <GodTodd> it's "thinking differently" that breeds innovation
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> we should focus our efforts on helping those people to adjust, not to become normal, but to become the best of what they are
07:18 <GodTodd> right
07:31 <GodTodd> but then it could just be that my son has asperger's because i care for his health
07:31 <GodTodd> ;)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> indeed.  I wonder how many of these "disorders" are diagnosed solely because the parents are actually *gasp* paying attention
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got my topic now, at least.  :)  It's going to result in two articles on the website.  I'll write one first, then get the other formatted and published (it's my comp I research paper)
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:40  * Lucifer_arma tries to remember the website's format, heh
07:40 <GodTodd> heh
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> Personally, I've had numerous friends diagnose me with everything from bipolar disorder to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia.  But I'm too awesome for so many people to be out to get me...
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, need to think about format a bit more, apparently
07:44 <GodTodd> why's that?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> man, ever since I took that comp I class I have to actually think about how to organize something before I write it.  I used to be able to whip shit out that was reasonably easy to follow.
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> now it's unintelligible if I don't spend some time working it out.  Damn training...
07:45 <GodTodd> haha
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> what's the opposite of deficiency?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> #dict deficiency
07:49 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: deficiency n 1: the state of needing something that is absent or unavailable; "there is a serious lack of insight into the problem"; "water is the critical deficiency in desert regions"; "for want of a nail the shoe was lost" [syn: {lack}, {want}] 2: lack of an adequate quantity or number; "the inadequacy of unemployment benefits" [syn: {insufficiency}, (5 more messages)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:50 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: {inadequacy}] [ant: {sufficiency}, {sufficiency}]; gcide: Deficiency \De*fi"cien*cy\, n.; pl. {Deficiencies}. [See {Deficient}.] The state of being deficient; inadequacy; want; failure; imperfection; shortcoming; defect. "A deficiency of blood." --Arbuthnot. [1913 Webster] [Marlborough] was so miserably ignorant, that his deficiencies made him the ridicule of his contemporaries. --Buckle. [1913 (4 more messages)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want sufficiency, I want something that means advantage or excel (as in "he excels at <that>") and rhymes with deficiency
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #dict excel
07:51 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: gazetteer, foldoc, gcide, wn, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: foldoc: Excel {Microsoft Excel}; wn: excel v : distinguish oneself; "She excelled in math" [syn: {stand out}, {surpass}] [also: {excelling}, {excelled}]; gazetteer: Excel, AL (town, FIPS 24880) Location: 31.42617 N, 87.34242 W Population (1990): 571 (220 housing units) Area: 4.3 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water); gcide: (5 more messages)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:51 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Excel \Ex*cel"\, v. i. To surpass others in good qualities, laudable actions, or acquirements; to be distinguished by superiority; as, to excel in mathematics, or classics. [1913 Webster] Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel. --Gen. xlix. 4. [1913 Webster] Then peers grew proud in horsemanship t' excel. --Pope. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 36 Moby Thesaurus words for "excel": be born for, be master (4 more messages)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:52 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: of, beat, best, better, cap, dominate, eclipse, exceed, go beyond, go one better, improve on, outdo, outpace, outrank, outshine, outstrip, outweigh, overbalance, overbear, overcome, overpass, overshadow, overtop, perfect, predominate, preponderate, prevail, shine, shine in, surpass, top, tower above, tower over, transcend, trump; gaz-place: Excel, AL -- U.S. town in Alabama Population (2000): 582 (3 more messages)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:52 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Housing Units (2000): 253 Land area (2000): 1.649436 sq. miles (4.272020 sq. km) Water area (2000): 0.000000 sq. miles (0.000000 sq. km) Total area (2000): 1.649436 sq. miles (4.272020 sq. km) FIPS code: 24880 Located within: Alabama (AL), FIPS 01 Location: 31.427308 N, 87.340587 W ZIP Codes (1990): Note: some ZIP codes may be omitted esp. for suburbs. Headwords: Excel, AL Excel; gcide: Excel (2 more messages)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:52 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: \Ex*cel"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Excelled}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Excelling}.] [L. excellere, excelsum; ex out + a root found in culmen height, top; cf. F. exceller. See {Culminate}, {Column}.] 1. To go beyond or surpass in good qualities or laudable deeds; to outdo or outgo, in a good sense. [1913 Webster] Excelling others, these were great; Thou, greater still, must these excel. --Prior. [1913 Webster] I saw (1 more message)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #more
07:52 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. --Eccl. ii. 13. [1913 Webster] 2. To exceed or go beyond; to surpass. [1913 Webster] She opened; but to shut Excelled her power; the gates wide open stood. --Milton. [1913 Webster]
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> that was almost useful
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> masteries
07:55 <GodTodd> proficiency?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, not strong enough.  I went with masteries, it was close enough to rhyming
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> what was Newton's first name?  :)
07:58  * Lucifer_arma notes forgetting words is a symptom of bipolar disorder
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> isaac, of course
07:59 <GodTodd> heh
07:59 <GodTodd> the earth is bipolar
07:59 <GodTodd> ;)
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how about a less-inflammable evil dictator person?  Not hitler or stalin, I've already mentioned them...
08:00 <GodTodd> heh...hussein? ;)
08:00  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes all spheres are bipolar when you start spinning them
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> less-inflammable
08:00 <GodTodd> he's not very flammable under all that dirt :P
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> now probably isn't the best time to mention hussein and/or anybody affiliated with al-qaeda
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> stick to well-known historical figures :)
08:01  * GodTodd notes he was joking.
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> preferable pre-industrialization
08:01 <GodTodd> :P
08:01 <GodTodd> #joke
08:01 <@armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
08:01 <GodTodd> heh
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, pwned!  -- spidey
08:02 <GodTodd> ummm....so no Il Duce?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> has to be someone inarguably bad, though.  Is Napolean inarguably bad?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I don't know who the fuck the guy is, I'm not putting him in there
08:02 <GodTodd> hahaha
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh, POntius Pilate?  ;)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Moses!  He was clearly a retard---Asperger's patient!
08:03  * Lucifer_arma notes that "retard" is technically correct, if you can overlook the negative connotations
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> is there a wikipedia page for historical bad guys?
08:04 <GodTodd> btw Il Duce was Mussolini :P
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, he's inarguably a bad guy now
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> but not pre-industrialized!
08:06 <GodTodd> right
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> Cortez?  does he fit the bill?
08:08 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heads_of_state_timeline
08:08 <GodTodd> pick one :P
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> aha, Benedict Arnold!
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> may as well throw Petaine in there too
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering pulling hitler out of the list
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> I think his presence in the list distracts from what I'm saying, but I'll let my editor make a call on it :)
08:17 <GodTodd> heh
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> As Kirk said, this is what makes us who we are!  (no apologies for the Star Trek V quote, I really enjoy that movie)
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09:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> what's the word you use to describe someone who talks like they know it all?  (like me, it's used on me a lot)
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, condescending
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09:45 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't feel like editing all that mess right now.  :/
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> heya z-man (hi there!) 
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10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6642 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/MakefileTest):
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6646@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 09:37:09 +0100
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: added rule to generate assembly output. May be useful for code size
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: optimization.
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6643 /private/z-man/clio/ (. classname.hpp dataconversion.hpp ifunctioninfo.hpp):
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6647@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 09:56:38 +0100
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: code size optimization: switched back to class name getters returning
10:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: std::string, not std::string const &.
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6644 /private/z-man/clio/ (5 files):
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6648@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:04:31 +0100
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: More direct function argument list generation.
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6645 /private/z-man/clio/ (. classname.hpp templatearglist.hpp):
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6649@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:09:22 +0100
10:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: More direct template name generation.
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see a strategic wargame that makes the presumption that communists had won elections in Europe throughout the 50s, rebuilt, and then somehow a war started between the US and communist Europe
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10:42 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: clever idea in that new years post
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> thank you.  :)  I've been enjoying reading the follow-ups.
10:43 <guru3> yeah, but i think my follow-up is a bit stupid
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else are you going to say, really?
10:45 <guru3> i've been there since there were categories? ><
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> After the Second World War, the United States and the Soviet Union were doomed to be antagonists.... There probably was never any real possibility that the post-1945 relationship could be anything but hostility verging on conflict... Traditions, belief systems, propinquity, and convenience ... all combined to stimulate antagonism, and almost no factor operated in either country to hold it back. (Brinkley, 799)
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> if that's true, does that mean we're doomed to resume the Cold War?  I mean, most of that stuff hasn't changed.  It was true before the communists took over in Russia and it's mostly still true
11:02 <arctanx> Borat isn't helping anything
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> all that's really needed is for Russia to finish their economic recovery
11:03 <arctanx> and then they'll side with China
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> forgive my ignorance, who's Borat?  :)
11:03 <arctanx> and together go stick it to the US
11:03 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: a fictional character from Kazakhstan, played by the same guy as who did ali g
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6646 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/MakefileTest):
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6654@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:54:30 +0100
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: Agressively stripping symbol names from executables.
11:04 <arctanx> He had some scenes in the ali g show, and recently did a full feature movie about conditions in kazakhstan, and a journalism trip to the US to learn about the culture so as to improve Kazakhstan
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6647 /private/z-man/clio/ (. autoinstantiation.hpp):
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6655@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:54:59 +0100
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added a couple of futile "inline" statements.
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I didn't see that movie, read lots of bad shit about it.  Apparently the only good thing about it is that many americans now know that kazakhstan exists
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6648 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/codesize.test/test.cpp):
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6656@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:55:35 +0100
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected output (that is never used)
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6649 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/super.test/test.cpp):
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6657@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:55:59 +0100
11:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected unused output.
11:04 <arctanx> The reviews I heard were that it's funny. And having seen it, I agree
11:05 <guru3> it's not a good movie
11:05 <arctanx> Of course not
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, like I say, I didn't see it, but what I've read about it is that it's basically more american xenophobia
11:06 <arctanx> It's like team america. Shocking movie, but it says a few political things, and uses a pile of distasteful jokes
11:07  * wrtlprnft never knew what kind of psycho Lucifer_arma was
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually thinking that there won't be one single opponent to the US in another Cold War-style conflict, but that it'll be an alliance
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> ?  what'd I do this time?
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> ah, you must've read my latest post in  that emo thread :)
11:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah, exactly
11:09 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle-7/Challenge_Board&curid=3136&diff=16731&oldid=16730&rcid=15486
11:09 <wrtlprnft> wtf
11:09 <wrtlprnft> i thought we didn't want to have hyphy on our team ever again…
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> did anybody tell him that?
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> he might just be figuring he was invited back because nobody told him otherwise...
11:11 <wrtlprnft> x_X
11:11 <wrtlprnft> usually you ask before you join a team
11:11 <wrtlprnft> though i can't know if he talked to 2020, of course
11:11 <wrtlprnft> either forums pm or some sort of IM
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, if he asked 2020 it's a virtual guarantee 2020 caved.  :)
11:25 <arctanx> hmm arma tourneys. That would be cool if I could play :P
11:26 <wrtlprnft> you can't?
11:26 <arctanx> a) I suck at fortress, b) I'm in AU = 300ms pings to anywhere that people think matter :P
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> c) he's not custang
11:28 <arctanx> On speed servers, people seal-trap me in the time it takes for me to see that they've done it
11:28 <wrtlprnft> fortress can be practiced, and i had 250ms ping to bugfarm when i was in canada and still was one of the best players there :)
11:28 <wrtlprnft> so, excuses :P
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I also had 250ms to bugfarm, and Manta had 300-400 and he was one of the best players there too :)
11:29 <wrtlprnft> just learn a passive style of playing where you avoid being speedtrapped
11:29 <wrtlprnft> people will still crash into you
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> and live about half a second ahead of your cycle anyway
11:29 <arctanx> About half of my kills are instas :P
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> that goes no matter what your ping is, the game's too fast to concentrate on where you are now
11:30 <wrtlprnft> oh, and use the latest trunk version of the client, the lagometer is better there
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, the only time ping was a determining factor in the winner was when the other team had a lot of good players *and* the lowest pings
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> but a good assortment of pings on each team should deal with that
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe that's the right path to balance teams.  Require each team to have an assortment of pings...
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> that also means every team will have the same scheduling problems.  :)
11:31 <arctanx> yeah :P
11:32 <arctanx> Oh, and d) I share a 256k/64k connection, and have a sister and dad who use it regularly, sister for webcomics, deviantart, and dad for youtube
11:32 <guru3> i host 7 servers
11:32 <guru3> don't see me moaning about lag :>
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> we did pretty well playing 5 vs 8 on a european server where the team with 8 had < 100 pings and our team had 4 that were > 150
11:32 <wrtlprnft> i had the same problem in canada, too
11:32 <guru3> of course, everyone that plays on them does ^^
11:32 <arctanx> 3600ms is getting towards unplayable I'm afraid
11:32 <wrtlprnft> a homestay brother from brazil who used the connection all the time to do filesharing
11:33 <wrtlprnft> just be the technical guy, take control of the router and block his mac address
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> granted, we lost, but most every round was a fairly good fight.  we went down fighting for real...
11:33 <wrtlprnft> and tell him it doesn't work for you, either, and you have no idea what's wrong
11:33 <arctanx> He won't believe me
11:33 <wrtlprnft> she, in that case
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> traffic shaping?
11:33 <arctanx> He'll start doing his own troubleshooting, like turning off the modem
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> just have it give preference to arma packets?
11:34 <arctanx> traffic shaping I could do if I was up in the linux nat jive
11:34 <arctanx> I've been too lazy to study iptables in extensive detail so far
11:34 <wrtlprnft> just tell her the router is booting up and she may not disturb it in any case
11:34  * Lucifer_arma likes how all problems can be reduced to "too lazy"
11:34 <wrtlprnft> and the modem
11:34 <arctanx> yeah it's convenient isn't it
11:35 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: My family is simply not that stupid
11:35 <wrtlprnft> :s
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> that would only work on my wife once.  ;)
11:35 <arctanx> I'll upgrade us to 512/512 or 1.5/256 later on
11:35 <wrtlprnft> then only block traffic to youtube and tell them it's down
11:35 <wrtlprnft> they
11:35 <wrtlprnft> 'll notice everything else works
11:36 <arctanx> it's my sister browsing a myriad of phpbbs and webcomics that's the more consistent problem
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> take your computer to a friend's house for the tourney?
11:36 <arctanx> my friends whore the net more extensively than here
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you could bribe them with beer
11:36 <arctanx> besides that isn't practical, since being the AU dude, I would have to play at 3am
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> not impractical if you're bribing them with beer
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> didn't I mention that already?
11:36 <arctanx> I could make a special effort fo the cup maybe, when is that?
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> never?  they stopped at the ladle, and the cup is after the bowl
11:37 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: at least at 3am noone else will use your connection
11:37 <wrtlprnft> so that's the solution to everything :)
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe that's when his sister surfs porn
11:38 <wrtlprnft> alternatively hijack your neighbours' WLAN
11:38 <wrtlprnft> you could then block them out, and they won't know it's you :P
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> you sell your soul recently, wrtlprnft (hi there!) ?
11:39 <wrtlprnft> no :P
11:39 <wrtlprnft> i just dislike people doing that sort of crap on the internet
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> just wondering because it seems like you're suggesting a lot more punk-ass solutions to problems than you used to :)
11:40 <wrtlprnft> maybe that was a new year'
11:40 <wrtlprnft> s resolution of mine?
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> to be more evil?
11:40 <arctanx> mmk fair enough
11:40 <wrtlprnft> to suggest more evil
11:40 <arctanx> I'm doing a dist upgrade tonight, then I'll install nvidia drivers and practise :P
11:41 <wrtlprnft> don't tell luke-jr you're using nvidia drivers
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> cue luke-jr (hi there!) with his nvidia diatribe
11:41 <wrtlprnft> now that's evil, Lucifer_arma 
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> installing nvidia drivers?  how?
11:42 <wrtlprnft> if luke-jr (hi there!!!) was here he'd annoy arctanx
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, the more people he annoys, the more people figure out how to legitimately ignore him, and eventually he goes away
11:42 <wrtlprnft> just because you woke him
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd hate to be the one that woke luke-jr (hi there!) from his beauty rest
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> besides, he'd think it was for a good cause, I'm sure
11:44 <wrtlprnft> well, luke-jr likes to tell others that he thinks they suck
11:44 <wrtlprnft> so you're doing him a favor
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's me.  luke-jr (hi there!) just likes to make others think that he thinks he rules
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah.  Have you run the trunk in a screen resolution that's not identical to your desktop resolution yet?
11:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:45 <wrtlprnft> it works for me
11:45 <wrtlprnft> unless it crashes, which leaves me with a mess
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> I got a little itty-bitty box in the middle.  No doubt the box measured 300x200 (or whatever the default lowest resolution is).
11:46 <wrtlprnft> oh
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> surrounded by black bands, like letterboxing.  It was really weird.  Went away when I switched to the same resolution as my desktop.
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that's if you have a tft screen that isn't configured to stretch nonnative resolutions
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so driver configuration there?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> probably in your monitor's setup
11:47 <wrtlprnft> or BIOS, if you have a laptop
11:47 <wrtlprnft> at least on my laptop it's in the bios
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok then, no bug in arma, that's all I cared about.  It's new to me, but it's also the first time I've run arma since I went back to mandriva
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because it's the first time I got it to build *grumblegrumble*
11:48 <wrtlprnft> x_X
11:48 <wrtlprnft> umm, can you try to see what happens if you switch your desktop's resolution in kcontrol?
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> it didn't act that way in gentoo or Kubuntu, so it's probably x.org config.  I did have to use a newer nvidia driver, though.
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can, but it's not a problem for me since I prefer to play at the same resolution as my desktop and I know this laptop can do what's expected
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> so unless we need the information to help other people, I'd just as soon blow it off :)
11:50 <wrtlprnft> stretching on a TFT looks awful anyways
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  arma looks like shit on this screen on anything other than my desktop resolution.  Admittedly I haven't tried a desktop resolution that's not 1280x800
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, I hate being sick.  Now the fever's gone, the upset stomach's gone, I feel great, right?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> only, since I slept so much last night (from being sick), now I can't sleep :/
11:52 <wrtlprnft> haha
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> almost 5am
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> I was on a sleep cycle that actually matched the solar day, for the first time in probably a year.  :/
11:53 <wrtlprnft> haha
11:54 <guru3> ive been staying up until 2 and sleeping until 11 lately
11:54 <guru3> it's a problem :/
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> showing up late for classes because of it, yet?
11:54 <guru3> no classes again yet
11:54 <guru3> but if i don't do something soon
11:55 <guru3> i'll be wrecked for exams
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> go to bed now!  :)
11:55 <guru3> just got up an hour ago
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> oh.  see how fuzzy my math is now?
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> you're in UTC now, right?
11:56 <guru3> 1666 won round atm
11:56 <wrtlprnft> just force yourself to wake up at 6am and don't go to bed again
11:56 <guru3> well i forced myself to wake up at 10:30
11:56 <wrtlprnft> then you'll automatically be tired earler in the evening
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> force myself to wake up, what color's the sky in your world?!?
11:56 <guru3> yeah
11:56 <guru3> i'm working on it
11:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 0xffbbcc
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> actually, you should go the other way.  :)  Just stay up continuously until about 2 hours before your target bedtime, set your alarm for your target wake up time and do it
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's what almost works for me
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that'S what i mean
11:57 <guru3> i'll try that in england
11:57 <guru3> not here with my parents tho
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, have you considered the reason for your weird schedule then is because you're used to England time?
11:58 <guru3> doesn't explain staying up quite so late
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> it might be better to go with it until you're back in england, then adjust
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> 2am->11am is 9 hours, which is kinda long
11:59 <guru3> yeah
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> might be just right for you, but it's kinda long for "normal".  Also, there's the assumption that you're doing less exhausting stuff on the holidays
11:59 <guru3> it's unusually long for me
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> your parents are in UTC+1, right?  and you're normally in UTC?
12:00 <guru3> something like that
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> what's the target wake up time when you're in England, for exams and shit?
12:00 <guru3> haven't checked the exam schedule
12:00 <guru3> but let's say 7:30
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> and what was the target wake up time for regular classes?
12:01 <guru3> 7:30
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> did you hit that time most of the time?  ;)
12:01 <guru3> yeah ive always woken up
12:01 <guru3> except for two days where i forgot to set the alarm
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, it takes 3 weeks to adjust your circadian to a new sleep schedule (or however you put it), so provided you had it well-adjusted before, and you haven't been in Sweden more than 3 weeks when you return, you shouldn't have a problem
12:03 <guru3> mmm
12:03 <guru3> sounds good
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> then there's inertia.  If you've been in Sweden 4 weeks, it's easier to adjust back to what you had before than if you were in Sweden 8 weeks.  See what I mean?
12:03 <guru3> rings some bells
12:03 <guru3> in other weirder news, i was in classic play, and despite being set otherwise there was a round with two humans and an AI
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> ai had ping 0?
12:04 <guru3> ofc
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> just asking!  :)
12:04 <guru3> what happened was i had been playing with a guy
12:04 <wrtlprnft> just for one round?
12:04 <guru3> he left, and so i had a round by myself
12:04 <guru3> when i finally killed myself
12:04 <guru3> when normally just an ai would join
12:04 <guru3> a real person happened to join at the same time
12:04 <guru3> and so it was me real person and ai in the round
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen that, actually
12:05 <guru3> i think it's a pretty rare event
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> the whole chain you've described, in fact
12:05 <wrtlprnft> i think that's fixed in the latest 0.2.8 branch
12:05 <wrtlprnft> there were some bug cries on cvs test
12:05 <guru3> vere there now
12:06 <guru3> and ack
12:06 <guru3> MSVC++ got me
12:06 <guru3> and Pine got me
12:06 <arctanx> Has anyone been considering adding tools to arma for making tourneys easier?
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm glad they shared you
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: everyone's considered it sooner or later
12:06 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: scripting, arctanx, scripting
12:07 <arctanx> As I understand, the only control you actually have is setting the variables
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I don't know about these guys, but I'm interested in writing some scripts as soon as we've settled on a scripting language and have it implemented
12:07 <wrtlprnft> that's a nice excuse :P
12:07 <guru3> i've had my reveng on Vi
12:07  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes that tournament support is one of the use cases for scripting.
12:07 <arctanx> haha
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it's like 3 of the use cases for scripting
12:07 <guru3> and off to breakfast
12:08 <guru3> bbl
12:08 <arctanx> It's gcc that usually buggers me up
12:08 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: an external script can parse the logs, set settings, print console/centre messages, start a new match, kick/ban people
12:08 <arctanx> oh really?
12:08 <wrtlprnft> that should be enough in theory, it's just awkward
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> sure
12:08 <arctanx> How does an external script interface with the running game?
12:08 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: pipe its output into the arma server
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's really fucking awkward, and in theory it's only enough within a restricted set of parameters
12:08 <wrtlprnft> as console input
12:08 <arctanx> ah that would work eh
12:09 <arctanx> a bit of a kludge, but why not ;)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> it worked for z-man on cvs test.  I never got it to work, but I haven't tried since before 0.2.7.1
12:09 <arctanx> Unfortunately you can't your script reading the console output that way
12:09 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: sure you can
12:09 <wrtlprnft> mkfifo /tmp/armastuff
12:09 <arctanx> Unless you do some messy thing with it piping to a file, and your script reading the file. Either that or I'm too ignorant of bash scripting
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that messy
12:10  * arctanx pulls out man
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> mkfifo /er/wrtlprnft/already/did/this/part
12:10 <wrtlprnft> cat /tmp/armastuff | ./script | armagetronad-dedicated > /tmp/armastuff
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad-dedicated > /er/wrtlprnft/already/did/this/part
12:10 <arctanx> I've never heard of a fifo. Might explain a lot
12:10 <arctanx> man
12:10 <wrtlprnft> it would work with a regular file and tail -f, too
12:10 <arctanx> That is so damn clever
12:11 <wrtlprnft> #man mkfifo
12:11 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: SYNOPSIS || mkfifo - make FIFOs (named pipes)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> there is a catch you should be aware of
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> when there's a pipe involved, the kernel doesn't start either process until both are connected
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> and if one becomes disconnected, it stops the other
12:12 <arctanx> Hmm
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> so a bug in your script can cause the server to cut off.  Test your script!
12:12 <arctanx> Makes sense
12:12 <wrtlprnft> the alternative would be to have two normal files
12:12 <arctanx> So a fifo behaves like a normal file for piping stuff in and out, but doesn't accumulate data?
12:12 <wrtlprnft> tail -f inputfile | armagetronad-dedicated | tee -a outputfile
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> right.  it's just a buffer, essentially
12:13 <arctanx> what would happen if you did the same thing with a normal file?
12:13 <wrtlprnft> tail -f outputfile | script >> inputfile
12:13 <arctanx> It would just make a log of all server output?
12:13 <wrtlprnft> with a normal file you have to use tail -f
12:13 <arctanx> No wait, cat would die wouldn't it
12:13 <arctanx> Yeah
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> the only catch with a normal file is latency.  Messages don't come instantly is all.
12:13 <arctanx> So pipes get special privileges?
12:14 <wrtlprnft> there's a small buffer, true
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> granted, they come within a few milliseconds, and in most practical senses it's equivalent to a fifo
12:14 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ mkfifo test2                                                                             ~
12:14 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ll test2                                                                                   ~
12:14 <wrtlprnft> prw-r--r-- 1 mathias users 0 2007-01-02 12:14 test2
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of it depends on the tail implementation.  I have a python tail implementation that, if nothing new is added to the file in awhile, it can take up to 1 minute to register the new thing when it does appear
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> gnu tail (or whatever it is that's usually available in linux) is a much better implementation
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's the part where latency matters.  The part where you're appending to a file that's being catted into arma should be essentially identical to fifos in performance
12:15 <arctanx> Are fifos designed for this whole piped extension thing? Or do they have other applications?
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, they weren't designed solely to make tourney scripts for arma...
12:16 <wrtlprnft> if you have any buffer problems just have the script echo “# some really long comment to flush the buffer XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX”
12:16 <arctanx> Well no, but they seem to be pretty tailor made for the case of wanting to pipe stuff into and out of something
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're just a way to connect processes.  They're exactly the same as a pipe using the | operator, just named, which is why they're called named pipes
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> they provide more flexibility for cases where it's impractical to put the pipe into the commandline
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> also, you can create them programmatically, so a program can open many pipes
12:18 <wrtlprnft> like, if you want to pipe process a into process b and process b into process a at the same time
12:18 <wrtlprnft> can't do that with shell commands :(
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> since it's the same underlying system as far as the kernel's concerned, you can have a program start another program and connect to it's stdin/stdout/stderr
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think that was the use case K&R dreamed up originally, iirc.
12:19 <arctanx> Well that's what you're effectively doing isn't it
12:19 <guru3> note to self: for keyboard to work, plug it in
12:19 <arctanx> a | b | same instance of a
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> yep, that's exactly what he's doing :)
12:20 <arctanx> So you can have as many pipes as you like, not just stdin/out/err, etc.?
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  a pipe can replace a file anywhere you use a file
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> with the caveat I mentioned earlier.  The kernel halts the process if there isn't a program on both sides of the pipe
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, you could do mkfifo /etc/armagetronad/everytime.cfg
12:21 <arctanx> Oh right, so in a program, you would just pretend you're using a file
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> then, if you don't connect a process to that pipe, when the server goes to load everytime.cfg the first time, it'll halt until you connect something to it
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> yes.  You use regular open commands on it, in fact.
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> now, you have to use special functions to create a pipe, obviously, but not to use one.  As far as the program's concerned, a pipe *is* a file
12:22 <arctanx> That would probably explain how people do most dedicated server control
12:22 <wrtlprnft> personally i prefer the tail approach, but pipes are nice, too
12:22 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: so you get a log produced automagically?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> pipes are the fundamental reason Linux is superior to Windows :)
12:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah, by redirecting arma
12:23 <wrtlprnft> 's output into a file
12:23 <arctanx> I mean for other games too
12:23 <arctanx> oh hang on
12:23 <arctanx> Yeah I see
12:24 <arctanx> What do people usually use to write scripts? Python or something?
12:24 <guru3> their keyboard
12:25 <guru3> the use their keyboard to write :>
12:25 <arctanx> What do people usually use to interpret their scripts?
12:25 <arctanx> wise guy :P
12:25 <guru3> well, ruby scripts they stick thru python, python ones thru bash, and shell scripts thru ruby
12:26  * arctanx takes a breath
12:26 <wrtlprnft> php or shellscripts here
12:26  * guru3 grins
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: that was the most illegible thing I've ever seen you write
12:26 <guru3> sorry i was trying to be sarcastic :>
12:26 <arctanx> It seems to me that a compiled C program would be more reliable for avoiding the pipe & process destruction thing
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> I use my own text editor.  :)  If you've got pyqt3, you can use it too!
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> nah, that's just C bigotry
12:27 <arctanx> whereas a buggy clause in a script could lead to a crash unexpectedly
12:27  * wrtlprnft uses gvim or vim
12:27 <guru3> arctanx: ruby scripts go thru the ruby interperater, python ones thru python, shell thru bash, php thru php
12:27 <wrtlprnft> shellscripts go thru zsh :)
12:27 <arctanx> unless you can find some syntax checker for your script, or make certain you test every part of it
12:27 <guru3> if we're being technical
12:27 <guru3> shell scripts go thru a link of /bin/sh to your favorite shell
12:28 <arctanx> I usually shebang mine to /bin/bash directly
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, no, arctanx.  If what you're saying is true, there'd be no such thing as buggy C code, and there is.  There's a lot of it.
12:28 <wrtlprnft> not if you put #!/usr/bin/zsh at the beginning :)
12:28 <guru3> hardly a shell script then
12:28 <guru3> it's a zshell script
12:28 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: sure it might be buggy, but in terms of probabilities of a run-time crash
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> if I put #!/usr/bin/zsh at the beginning, it wouldn't run here
12:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:28  * wrtlprnft loves his zsh
12:29 <arctanx> unless you stuff up your memory management, or do an infinite loop or something stupid, a compiled program at least has had a preliminary level of testing done :P
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: I'd say dumb pointer mistakes are more likely to cause a run-time crash in a c program than whatever mysterious problem you've concocted for interpreted languages
12:29 <guru3> is that your codename for weed wrtlprnft? ;)
12:29 <wrtlprnft> nah :P
12:29 <arctanx> mysterious problems = my penchant for typos
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> whether the language is compiled or interpreted is far *far* less important than the quality of the compiler/interpreter and the quality of the programmer writing the program in question
12:30 <wrtlprnft> 1!
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's "quality of the programmer", not "C makes for inherently superior code"
12:30 <wrtlprnft> c makes for inherently illegible code imho
12:30 <arctanx> That's a lot broader argument you're countering than my specific point :P
12:30 <guru3> oh-ho say can you C :D
12:30 <wrtlprnft> int *a = (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> why not just do:
12:31 <guru3> arctanx: sounds like you and luke would get along
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> er, nvm, I'm finally getting sleepy
12:31 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: to be honest, I really like C syntax. It goes well with my mind.
12:31 <wrtlprnft> stop insult people guru3 
12:31 <wrtlprnft> *insulting
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> then write it in C, just keep in mind that most of us here (besides luke-jr (hi there!) ) object to C bigotry
12:32 <arctanx> But since I can't use any one programming language well, I'm in no position to be zealous about anything
12:32  * wrtlprnft likes int *a = new int; more
12:32 <guru3> can't help it wrtlprnft, i'm feeling weird today
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> there is a syntax checker for python, I suspect there's one for other languages if you look around a bit
12:32  * Lucifer_arma likes int a; the most
12:33  * Lucifer_arma wonders why you'd make a pointer to an int in the first place
12:33 <arctanx> $a is even easier :P
12:33  * wrtlprnft notes that you can do php -l <somescript.php
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want to get that technical about it, just typing a is easiest
12:34 <arctanx> well yeah
12:34 <wrtlprnft> std::auto_ptr<std::auto_ptr<int> > a(new std::auto_ptr<int>(new int));  is best
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> and as much as I'd like to be all python-bigoted about it, many languages don't use $ to decorate variables :)
12:34  * Lucifer_arma whacks wrtlprnft (hi there!) 
12:34 <arctanx> anyway, now that I've caused language-anti-crusader-mayhem, I foresee some fun tinkering with arma dedicated server for me in the future
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, some of us are confused by the $ coming before the variable.  I seem to remember it goes after the variable name, and indicates "string"
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> a$ = "Hi there!"
12:35 <arctanx> yeah
12:35 <arctanx> good times
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> PRINT a$
12:35 <wrtlprnft> eek!
12:35 <guru3> viva basic
12:35 <arctanx> for b = 1 to 10 step 2
12:35 <arctanx> print a$
12:35 <arctanx> print b
12:35 <arctanx> next b
12:35 <arctanx> :P
12:36 <guru3> that takes me back
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> y'all know you can get a basic interpreter for linux, right?  ;)
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> not that I've tried or anything...
12:36 <arctanx> That's the way with most linux things I guess
12:36 <arctanx> You can do it, but why would you want to
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> although I would like a non-VB basic compiler
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> not saying I'd use it, but a non-VB oop compiler would be neat to have
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> kind of like owning a classic car.  Not worth driving, too expensive anyway, but fun to show people interested in that sort of thing
12:37 <wrtlprnft> for(b, 1, 10, 2
12:37 <wrtlprnft>     a print
12:37 <wrtlprnft>     b print
12:37 <wrtlprnft> )
12:37 <guru3> ack post order
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> io?
12:37 <wrtlprnft> yep
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> is io a lisp-derivative, then?
12:38  * wrtlprnft loves the Io syntax
12:38 <wrtlprnft> no
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh good!  you had me worried there for a minute...
12:38 <wrtlprnft> inspired by all kinds of languages
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there weren't enough lists or parentheses in your little snippet there
12:39  * Lucifer_arma loves all programming languages except LISP, Perl, and MOO (and moo is only an exception because luke-jr (hi there!) likes it)
12:39 <arctanx> ++++++++++++++++++++++++.----------.++++++++++++++++++++++++.
12:39 <arctanx> :P
12:39 <wrtlprnft> yay!
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> yay what?
12:40 <wrtlprnft> ^X^Q)
12:41 <wrtlprnft> that would be the output of arctanx' program
12:41 <arctanx> probably
12:41 <arctanx> somewhere in the non-printables
12:41 <wrtlprnft> except for the last char :P
12:42 <arctanx> well ner :P
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> ?  why would that be the output of arctanx's program?
12:42 <wrtlprnft> because.
12:42 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: why wouldn't it be?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> last basic interpreter I used converted ints to strings when you print it
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> so if you say "PRINT 10", your output is the string "10"
12:42 <wrtlprnft> 27 + signs => ascii 27 => 0x18 => °°X
12:42 <wrtlprnft> err
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ^X
12:43 <wrtlprnft> that's brainfuck, not basic
12:43  * arctanx nods
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's what all that +-+ crap was?
12:43 <arctanx> except it's 24 signs
12:43 <arctanx> so your hex was right
12:44 <wrtlprnft> argh, sorry
12:44 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
12:44 <wrtlprnft> i was looking at my ascii table while typing this, not at my screen
12:44 <arctanx> I said your hex is right
12:44 <wrtlprnft> the ) is probably wrong
12:45 <wrtlprnft> #math calc "++++++++++++++++++++++++".lenth()
12:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:45 <wrtlprnft> darn python
12:45 <wrtlprnft> #math calc "++++++++++++++++++++++++".count()
12:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> #math calc "++++++++++++++++++++++++".size()
12:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> #math calc '++++++++++++++++++++++++'.size()
12:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'str' object has no attribute 'size'
12:45 <wrtlprnft> #math calc '++++++++++++++++++++++++'.count()
12:45 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> stop it!
12:45 <wrtlprnft> grrr!
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc len("++++++++++++++++++++++++")
12:46 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'len' is not a defined function.
12:46 <arctanx> #math calc '++++++++++++++++++++++++'.length()
12:46 <@armabot> arctanx: Error: 'str' object has no attribute 'length'
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes it is!
12:46 <arctanx> aw
12:46 <arctanx> :P
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> I needed you to stop so I could copy and paste, new lines were breaking up my selection
12:46 <wrtlprnft> it's 24 chars, according to wc
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> #math len("++++++++++++++++++++++++")
12:46 <wrtlprnft> #g 27 + 14
12:46 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 27 + 14 = 41
12:46 <wrtlprnft> no, the ')' was correct
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> just sticking it into a python interpreter came up with 24 also :)
12:47 <arctanx> #g 41 in hexadecimal
12:47 <@armabot> arctanx: 41 = 0x29
12:47 <wrtlprnft> that works?!
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> there is a python plugin for supybot, but I don't know if you want to enable it
12:47 <wrtlprnft> #base 10 16 41
12:47 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 29
12:47 <arctanx> why shouldn't it, google is good
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> you guys consistently underestimate google's calculator :)
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> why do you think we've become soooo dependent on it here?  ;)
12:48 <wrtlprnft> #g 500 V * 1 day / 20 feet / (the answer to life the universe and everything seconds * speed of light)
12:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (((500 V) * (1 day)) / (20 feet)) / (the answer to life the universe and everything seconds * the speed of light) = 0.000562819058 tesla
12:48 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:48 <arctanx> #g integrate 3*(tan(x))^2*(cos(3x))^-1*dx
12:48 <@armabot> arctanx: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> wow, google came up with a numerical answer to that
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't do intergrals
12:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what else?
12:49 <wrtlprnft> the units are correct
12:49 <arctanx> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
12:49 <@armabot> arctanx: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
12:49 <arctanx> far out
12:49 <wrtlprnft> 1 day is a lot, too
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> the parser used to bork on most of the problems I've seen that incorporate that text
12:49 <wrtlprnft> still it's a sort of weak magnetic field
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you've just figured out how to work it :)
12:49 <arctanx> yeah
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm almost sleepy enough to go to bed.  I'm going to set my alarm for just 4 hours or so from when I lay down so hopefully I can go to bed at a normal time tomorrow night
12:50 <arctanx> #g 20 newtons * 0.5 amperes * 0.50 metres
12:50 <@armabot> arctanx: (20 newtons) * (0.5 amperes) * (0.50 meters) = 5 m^(2) kg A / s^(2)
12:50 <arctanx> oops
12:50 <arctanx> #g 20 tesla * 0.5 amperes * 0.50 metres
12:50 <@armabot> arctanx: (20 tesla) * (0.5 amperes) * (0.50 meters) = 5 newtons
12:51 <arctanx> sweet.
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> now if we can just get google to do plotting...
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> integrals would be nice, though, I have to admit
12:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:55 <arctanx> http://integrals.wolfram.com
12:55 <wrtlprnft> and proper support for binary prefixes
12:55 <arctanx> or simply /msg mbot % Integrate[x^2,x]
12:55 <wrtlprnft> 1 KB = 1000 bytes, 1KiB = 1024 bytes
12:56 <arctanx> right
12:57 <wrtlprnft> armabot: that would be great to have for armabot
12:57 <arctanx> how often do you need to convert those anyway though
12:58 <arctanx> I just reduce everything to multiple of kilobytes
12:58 <arctanx> kibibytes*
12:58 <wrtlprnft> well, it's fun if you can do things like
12:59 <wrtlprnft> #g 700Kbit/second in GB/month
12:59 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:59 <wrtlprnft> wtf
12:59 <wrtlprnft> #g (700/8)KB/second in GB/month
12:59 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (700 / 8) * (KB / second) = 219.442926 GB / month
12:59 <wrtlprnft> just with the correct prefixes :S
13:00 <arctanx> close enough for practical purposes though
13:01 <arctanx> especially with serialisation and protocol overhead
13:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:18 <Lucifer_arma> don't you hve it backwards, though?
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g (700*8)KB/second in GB/month
13:19 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: (700 * 8) * (KB / second) = 14,044.3472 GB / month
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g 700Kb/second in GB/month
13:19 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 700 (Kb / second) = 219.442926 GB / month
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g 700KB/second in GB/month
13:19 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 700 (KB / second) = 1,755.54341 GB / month
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nvm
13:20  * Lucifer_arma curses case-sensitive units
13:24 <arctanx> :P
13:25 <arctanx> okay I'm off to install gentoo over ubuntu, just because I can
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13:52 <wrtlprnft> wise choice :)
13:58 <arctanx> 'night
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I'm about to put a Reagan quote on my website
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I misspelled something
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave.  - Ronald Reagen, in his address following the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger
14:03 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.  Quote #42 added.
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 42 lol
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/teawithmussolini/40.html
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> that is an interesting irony
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> some of these are a lot of fun
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> The time has come for the human race to enter the solar system.
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6650 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/MakefileTest tests/MakefileTestBase):
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6662@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 11:43:17 +0100
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected dependencies
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn’t study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people.
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6651 /private/z-man/clio/ (. functioninfo.hpp macros.hpp):
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6663@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 12:15:32 +0100
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: Some inlines.
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6652 /private/z-man/clio/ (. classinfo.hpp error.cpp error.hpp):
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6664@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 12:52:17 +0100
14:11 <@armabot> armagetronad: removed costy BreakPoint call
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6653 /private/z-man/clio/ (. iclassinfo.hpp):
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6665@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 13:10:02 +0100
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added another NOTHROW
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6654 /private/z-man/clio/ (. instantiation.hpp):
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6666@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:04:16 +0100
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added easy removal for code size tests.
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6655 /private/z-man/clio/ (. tests/Makefile tests/MakefileTest):
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6667@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:05:00 +0100
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected dependencies
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6656 /private/z-man/clio/ (. helptest.hpp):
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6668@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:06:00 +0100
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed outdated comments.
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6657 /private/z-man/clio/ (. factory.hpp):
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6669@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:09:17 +0100
14:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: removed wrong NOTHROW.
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://netscientia.com/ufo_quotes.html  <--- here's a fun webpage, even if it does have a crackpot feel to it
14:20 <z-man> if that has a crackpot feel, what, in your eyes, does it take to be a full crackpot?
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> same text without quotes that are likely to be legitimate :)
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> although some of the quotes looked like they were probably one-liner jokes removed from context to support the page, which is common crackpot practice
14:21 <z-man> Especially the hawking one
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that was the first one that caught my attention that way.  There's some more farther down like it.  :)
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> "The price of greatness is responsibility." Winston Churchill
14:26  * Lucifer_arma is surfing for quotes
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> "It I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." Harry S. Truman, 1884-1972
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 2 more, then I'm going to bed
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
15:18 <luke-jr> #roulette spin
15:18 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
15:22 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
15:23 <@armabot> spidey: [08:01:29] <Lucifer_arma> ooo, pwned!  -- spidey, [06:32:43] <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "<spidey> hmm  <GodTodd> stfu spidey", [06:32:19] <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "<spidey> hmm  <GodTodd> stfu spidey", [06:31:30] <GodTodd> stfu spidey, [02:33:36] <Durka> #more spidey, [02:33:33] <Durka> #more spidey, [02:33:07] <Durka> nice spidey, [01:54:35] <luke-jr> spidey: ?, [01:51:16] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with (4 more messages)
15:30 <spidey> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/01/01/2041256.shtml
15:35 <wrtlprnft> so what?
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16:51 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:51 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 28.9°F (9:47 AM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa. 
16:56 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6658 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/MakefileTest):
16:56 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6646@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 09:37:09 +0100
16:56 <@armabot> armagetronad: added rule to generate assembly output. May be useful for code size
16:56 <@armabot> armagetronad: optimization.
16:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6659 / (3 files in 2 dirs):
16:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6647@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 09:56:38 +0100
16:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: code size optimization: switched back to class name getters returning
16:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: std::string, not std::string const &.
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6660 / (3 files in 2 dirs):
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6648@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:04:31 +0100
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: More direct function argument list generation.
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6661 /:
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6649@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:09:22 +0100
16:58 <@armabot> armagetronad: More direct template name generation.
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6662 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/MakefileTest):
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6654@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:54:30 +0100
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: Agressively stripping symbol names from executables.
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6663 /:
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6655@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:54:59 +0100
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added a couple of futile "inline" statements.
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6664 /:
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6656@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:55:35 +0100
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected output (that is never used)
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6665 /:
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6657@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 10:55:59 +0100
16:59 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected unused output.
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6666 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/MakefileTest):
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6662@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 11:43:17 +0100
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected dependencies
17:00 <z-man> hey, I already had those committed!
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6667 /:
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6663@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 12:15:32 +0100
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: Some inlines.
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6668 /:
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6664@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 12:52:17 +0100
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: removed costy BreakPoint call
17:00 <z-man> WTF?
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6669 /:
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6665@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 13:10:02 +0100
17:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added another NOTHROW
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6670 /:
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6666@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:04:16 +0100
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: Added easy removal for code size tests.
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6671 /:
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6667@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:05:00 +0100
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: Corrected dependencies
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6672 /:
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6668@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:06:00 +0100
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed outdated comments.
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6673 /:
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6669@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:09:17 +0100
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: removed wrong NOTHROW.
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6674 / (8 files in 2 dirs):
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6678@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 14:57:16 +0100
17:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: Saved some bytes by using ostringstream instead of stringstream.
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6675 / (3 files in 2 dirs):
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6679@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 15:21:15 +0100
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: Made it so that not half of AA depends on clio.
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6676 / (3 files in 2 dirs):
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6680@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 15:21:57 +0100
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: Factored out large bits of pointer conversion into non-template method.
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6677 / (3 files in 2 dirs):
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6681@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 15:27:18 +0100
17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed default arguments where they are not needed.
17:07 <z-man> Hmm. Looks like you should not call svk pull/push on subdirectories first and then on the whole tree later.
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17:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6678 /private/z-man/clio/ifunctioninfo.cpp: Random change to test syncing.
17:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6679 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/MakefileTest):
17:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: r6703@gonzo: manuel | 2007-01-02 17:12:20 +0100
17:13 <@armabot> armagetronad: Random change to see if syncing still works
17:17 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6225301.stm
17:17 <ghableska> heh
17:20 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6680 / (/ private/z-man/clio/macros.hpp): removed unused stuff.
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18:54 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
18:54 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
18:55 <spidey> ..
18:55 <spidey> #roulette
18:55 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
18:56 <ghableska> #roulette
18:56 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
19:08 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
19:08 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
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19:18 <spidey> #roulette
19:18 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
19:19  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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19:40 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
19:40 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
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20:12 <guru3> z-man is in da' house
20:12 <ghableska> 0o
20:17 <luke-jr|work> oO
20:17 <spidey> oOo
20:18 <ghableska> you need 5 more
20:18 <spidey> oOoOoOoO
20:19 <Compn> #armaservers
20:19 <@armabot> Compn: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (8 players) || Strawberry Fields (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (6 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Battle Fortress (1 more message)
20:19 <Compn> oops arena!
20:20 <DrJoeTr0n> my server is lame again :(
20:20 <guru3> i wonder if i could get my stats to generate a graph from when i first started collecting them in the db until today
20:21 <spidey> hmm
20:22 <spidey> any recomended dvd playback software? o.O
20:22 <guru3> mplayer
20:24 <spidey> k
20:24 <luke-jr|work> :p
20:24 <spidey> #g 512 kbit/s in kb/s
20:24 <@armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:24 <spidey> #g 512 / 8
20:24 <@armabot> spidey: 512 / 8 = 64
20:24 <wrtlprnft> cmon
20:25 <luke-jr|work> #g 1+2
20:25 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: 1 + 2 = 3
20:25 <luke-jr|work> :o
20:25 <wrtlprnft> 2^9 / 2^3 = 2^(9-3) = 2^6 = 64
20:25 <spidey> #g 2+1
20:25 <@armabot> spidey: 2 + 1 = 3
20:25 <spidey> no way...
20:25 <wrtlprnft> you don't need google for that!
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20:25 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: you sure? ;)
20:25 <wrtlprnft> absolutely
20:26 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: even google doesn't always agree on that
20:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:26 <luke-jr|work> IIRC, when you asked it for 1+2, it had no clue
20:26 <wrtlprnft> ah, right
20:26 <wrtlprnft> probably the google devs changed something and took it down
20:26 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:26 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
20:26 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
20:26  * wrtlprnft thinks google should make their calculator OSS
20:26  * luke-jr|work thinks it's just a calculator :p
20:27 <wrtlprnft> try msn's calculator
20:27 <wrtlprnft> it can't do anything besides 1+2=3
20:27 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:27 <wrtlprnft> not even the answer to life the universe and everything
20:27 <wrtlprnft> msn sucks.
20:27 <luke-jr|work> hm
20:27 <ghableska> #g pi
20:27 <@armabot> ghableska: pi = 3.14159265
20:27 <luke-jr|work> I was going to watch that movie last night
20:28 <luke-jr|work> Google Calculator appears to suck too, as proven by ghableska 
20:28 <ghableska> #g phi
20:28 <@armabot> ghableska: the golden ratio = 1.61803399
20:28 <wrtlprnft> that's exact enough
20:28 <wrtlprnft> haha!
20:28 <luke-jr|work> ... but then two protest-ants started IMing me...
20:28 <wrtlprnft> #g .5 + sqrt(1.25)
20:28 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: .5 + sqrt(1.25) = 1.61803399
20:28 <wrtlprnft> woot
20:29 <ghableska> #g gravitational constant
20:29 <@armabot> ghableska: gravitational constant = 6.67300 * 10^(-11) m^(3) kg^(-1) s^(-2)
20:29 <luke-jr|work> #g e
20:29 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: e = 2.71828183
20:29 <ghableska> ooh
20:29 <wrtlprnft> #g c
20:29 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: the speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s
20:29 <luke-jr|work> #g distance from Earth to Alpha Centauri
20:29 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:29 <luke-jr|work> oh well
20:29 <ghableska> heh
20:30 <wrtlprnft> #g ε0
20:30 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:30 <wrtlprnft> aww
20:30 <ghableska> #g parsecs in cm
20:30 <@armabot> ghableska: 1 centimeters = 3.24077649 * 10^(-19) Parsecs
20:30 <luke-jr|work> #g life, the universe, and everything
20:30 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:30 <ghableska> #g 1 parsec in cm
20:30 <@armabot> ghableska: 1 Parsec = 3.08568025 * 10^(18) centimeters
20:30 <wrtlprnft> parsec?!
20:30 <wrtlprnft> what's that?
20:30 <luke-jr|work> #g 1 parsec in miles
20:30 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: 1 Parsec = 1.91735281 * 10^(13) miles
20:30 <luke-jr|work> obviously a space unit
20:31 <luke-jr|work> #g circumference of the Earth in parsecs
20:31 <ghableska> #g 1 parsec in light-years
20:31 <wrtlprnft> apparently
20:31 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:31 <@armabot> ghableska: 1 Parsec = 3.26163626 light-years
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20:31 <luke-jr|work> #g circumference of the Earth
20:31 <wrtlprnft> #g radius of the earth * 2 * pi
20:31 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:31 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: radius of Earth * 2 * pi = 40,074.7842 kilometers
20:31 <Sticky> hay all
20:31 <luke-jr|work> #g radius of the Earth *2 in parsecs
20:31 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: radius of Earth * 2 = 4.1339993 * 10^(-10) Parsecs
20:31 <ghableska> #g k
20:31 <@armabot> ghableska: Boltzmann constant = 1.3806503 * 10^(-23) m^(2) kg s^(-2) K^(-1)
20:31  * wrtlprnft sticks to Sticky 
20:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:31 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: wrong
20:31 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:32 <luke-jr|work> wrong?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> unless you define π=1
20:32 <ghableska> #g planck length
20:32 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:32 <ghableska> aw
20:32 <luke-jr|work> wtf? what am I wrong about?
20:32 <ghableska> #luke
20:32 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
20:32 <wrtlprnft> #g vacuum permittivity
20:32 <luke-jr|work> #alias del luke
20:32 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:32 <wrtlprnft> !
20:32 <luke-jr|work> #g a
20:32 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:32 <luke-jr|work> #g b
20:32 <wrtlprnft> #g g
20:32 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:32 <luke-jr|work> #g d
20:32 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:32 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g e
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: e = 2.71828183
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g f
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <ghableska> #g g
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g h
20:33 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g i
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Planck's constant = 6.626068 * 10^(-34) m^(2) kg / s
20:33 <wrtlprnft> IT DOESN'T KNOW G?!
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g j
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g k
20:33 <wrtlprnft> #kick luke-jr|work spammer
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Boltzmann constant = 1.3806503 * 10^(-23) m^(2) kg s^(-2) K^(-1)
20:33 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: caps?
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20:33 <ghableska> heh
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20:33 <luke-jr|work> #kick wrtlprnft 
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g l
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:33 <Sticky> wtf are you all trying to do
20:33 <luke-jr|work> #g m
20:33 <wrtlprnft> #kick luke-jr|work spammer
20:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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20:33 <wrtlprnft> that guy's annoying me
20:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
20:34 <luke-jr|work> #g n
20:34 <armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:34 <luke-jr|work> #g o
20:34 <armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:34 <luke-jr|work> #g p
20:34 <armabot> luke-jr|work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
20:34 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q1d9b.q.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"]
20:34 <@wrtlprnft> ...
20:34 <@wrtlprnft> wanna stop?
20:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr|work] by ChanServ
20:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o wrtlprnft] by luke-jr|work
20:34 <luke-jr|work> :)
20:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr|work] by luke-jr|work
20:34  * ghableska wonders how to silence someone.... ;)
20:34 <wrtlprnft> :P
20:34 <Sticky> you need to make armabot work with private messages then people can do this off the main chat
20:34 <wrtlprnft> it does!
20:35 <Sticky> realy
20:35 <wrtlprnft> anyways, google is available to everyone!
20:35 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:35 <wrtlprnft> http://google.com/ if you don't know
20:35 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:35 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
20:35 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 / c / c / (permeability of vacuum)
20:36 <luke-jr|work> armabot doesn't work for roulette in PM :o
20:36 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:36 <ghableska> heh, this is an interesting title
20:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: /join #arma-ladle
20:36 <ghableska> "Swedish goat defies arsonists"
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 / c / c / (1.2566371 * 10^-6 N / A / A)
20:37 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: ((1 / c) / c) / (1.2566371 * (10^(-6)) ((N / A) / A)) = 8.85418755 * 10^(-12) m^(-3) kg^(-1) s^(4) A^(2)
20:37 <wrtlprnft> aww, F/m would have been nicer
20:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:37 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 39.9°F (1:33 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa. 
20:38 <ghableska> mostly cloudy? bah
20:38 <ghableska> no clouds anywhere
20:38 <spidey> grrr
20:39 <wrtlprnft> #luke
20:39 <@armabot> stfu, baka noob?? RTFM??
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20:40 <GodTodd> hmmm
20:41 <wrtlprnft> mmmh?
20:41 <GodTodd> sure sure...everyone get quiet when i get here :P
20:41 <GodTodd> heh
20:42 <ghableska> mhhm
20:42 <ghableska> grr, school starts tomorrow 
20:43  * wrtlprnft is not here
20:43 <ghableska> o0
20:43 <GodTodd> starts? when did it end?
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20:43 <GodTodd> stfu spidey
20:43 <ghableska> 21st
20:43  * GodTodd is taking winter classes
20:43 <GodTodd> :P
20:43 <ghableska> :P
20:44 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:44  * wrtlprnft has vacation till monday
20:44 <ghableska> when did yours start?
20:44 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q1d9b.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
20:44  * GodTodd gets a week off between winter and spring
20:44 <GodTodd> winter started the monday after finals week for fall
20:45 <ghableska> the one thing I don't get is they give us finals _after_ break
20:45 <ghableska> O_o
20:45 <GodTodd> heh
20:45 <GodTodd> i have a final next tuesday
20:45 <ghableska> same here
20:45  * wrtlprnft dislikes the idea of finals in school altogether
20:46 <ghableska> that entire week, actually
20:46  * ghableska should probably start to study
20:46 <spidey> GodTodd, fuck off
20:46 <GodTodd> i only have one class.....it's a 10 meeting class in 3 weeks
20:46 <GodTodd> and one of the weeks was xmas
20:46 <ghableska> haha
20:46 <wrtlprnft> #g 0x7d3 in roman numerals
20:46 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 0x7d3 = MMIII
20:46 <wrtlprnft> !
20:46 <GodTodd> spidey: you'd like that too damn much :P
20:47 <GodTodd> #g 324325423 in roman numerals
20:47 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> aww
20:47 <GodTodd> bah
20:47 <GodTodd> wimp
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #g MMMMMMMMMMMMM in hexadecimal
20:47 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: MMMMMMMMMMMMM = 0x32C8
20:47 <ghableska> spidey: http://www.slate.com/id/2103467/
20:47 <spidey> #g 0x3d6 in roman numerals
20:47 <GodTodd> #g 4 in roman numerals
20:47 <@armabot> GodTodd: 4 = IV
20:47 <@armabot> spidey: 0x3d6 = CMLXXXII
20:47 <ghableska> O_o
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(-2) / 1i in roman numerals
20:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:48 <spidey> #g 0x3d6 in english
20:48 <spidey> xD
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(-2)
20:48 <@armabot> spidey: 0x3d6 = nine hundred eighty-two
20:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(-2) = 1.41421356 i
20:48 <wrtlprnft> hahah!
20:48 <spidey> o.o
20:48 <spidey> O.O
20:48 <ghableska> haha
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g 123 in german
20:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(-4) / 1i in roman numerals
20:48 <ghableska> #g 12 in french
20:48 <GodTodd> #g 1 in german
20:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(-4) / (1 * i) = II
20:48 <@armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <ghableska> -_-
20:48 <spidey> #g one in german
20:48 <@armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 * 10^-6 in english
20:48 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:48 <spidey> #g 0x3d6 in german
20:49 <@armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 1.5 in english
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 <spidey> hm
20:49 <ghableska> ...
20:49 <wrtlprnft> sucks
20:49 <GodTodd> google hates german apparently
20:49 <spidey> #g 0x3d6 in french
20:49 <@armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 <spidey> it only does english and roman ?
20:49 <GodTodd> #g 32432 in english
20:49 <@armabot> GodTodd: 32,432 = thirty-two thousand four hundred thirty-two
20:49 <wrtlprnft> it hates anything that's not english
20:49 <GodTodd> nationalistic bot
20:49 <GodTodd> :)
20:49  * wrtlprnft notes that roman numerals aren't a language as such
20:50 <wrtlprnft> #g 1,2 + 1
20:50 <ghableska> #g 123456789 in english
20:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 1,2 + 1 = 2,2
20:50 <@armabot> ghableska: 123,456,789 = one hundred twenty-three million four hundred fifty-six thousand seven hundred eighty-nine
20:50 <wrtlprnft> at least it does the german notation
20:50 <spidey> #list
20:50 <@armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:50 <wrtlprnft> it also hates all non- ascii chars, even if they have a meaning
20:50 <wrtlprnft> #g π
20:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:50 <wrtlprnft> #g 1πm in feet
20:50 <spidey> #list google
20:50 <@armabot> spidey: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
20:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:50 <ghableska> #babelfish
20:50 <spidey> #list babelfish
20:50 <@armabot> spidey: babelize, language list, language random, and translate
20:50 <GodTodd> #g MMMCXLI in english
20:50 <wrtlprnft> #help phonebook
20:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (phonebook <phone number>) -- Looks <phone number> up on Google.
20:50 <@armabot> GodTodd: MMMCXLI = three thousand one hundred forty-one
20:50 <spidey> #translate help
20:50 <@armabot> spidey: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
20:51 <wrtlprnft> #g MMXI
20:51 <spidey> #translate english nine to german
20:51 <@armabot> spidey: Error: "'nine'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:51 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:51 <spidey> #translate english to german nine
20:51 <@armabot> spidey: neun
20:51 <ghableska> #translate english to german 9
20:51 <@armabot> ghableska: 9
20:51 <spidey> lol
20:51 <ghableska> ...
20:51 <GodTodd> hahahaha
20:51 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everyhing in roman numerals
20:51 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #translate german to english neun
20:52 <ghableska> #translate english to german  one hundred twenty-three million four hundred fifty-six thousand seven hundred eighty-nine
20:52 <@armabot> ghableska: hundert dreiundzwanzig Million vierhundert fifty-six tausend sieben hundert eighty-nine
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: nine
20:52 <ghableska> haha
20:52 <spidey> #translate english to japanese fool
20:52 <@armabot> spidey: '\x00\x00\x00'
20:52 <spidey> .....
20:52 <wrtlprnft> err
20:52 <ghableska> O_o
20:52 <wrtlprnft> that's not german!
20:52 <wrtlprnft> that's a mess.
20:52 <ghableska> lol
20:52 <spidey> #translate japanese to english \x00\x00\00
20:52 <@armabot> spidey: \x00\x00\00
20:52 <ghableska> hahaa
20:52 <spidey> the hell
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't know what that number was supposed to be
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything in roman numerals
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = XLII
20:52 <ghableska> #translate english to japanese  one hundred twenty-three million four hundred fifty-six thousand seven hundred eighty-nine
20:52 <@armabot> ghableska: '\x0023,000,000 \x00400 \x00\x00\x00\x00,000 700 \x00\x00\x00'
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g XLII * II
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: XLII * II = LXXXIV
20:53 -!- SuPeRTaRD-bb [n=blah@adsl-71-145-187-242.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
20:53  * wrtlprnft notes that multiplying roman numbers is everything but easy
20:53 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:53 <ghableska> #translate english to japanese four
20:53 <@armabot> ghableska: 4
20:53 <spidey> lol
20:53 <ghableska> O_o
20:53 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ¶8)
20:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:53 <ghableska> o0
20:53 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 4..
20:54 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> hi
20:54 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> happy new year!
20:54 <wrtlprnft> ty, you too
20:54 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> i love you.
20:54 <spidey> #translate english to chinese_simple four
20:54  * wrtlprnft always thought that four was 5 in japanese
20:54 <@armabot> spidey: '\x00'
20:54 <ghableska> lol
20:54 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> thx ^_~
20:54 <DrJoeTr0n> SuPeRTaRD :D he lives 
20:54 <GodTodd> #translate japanese to english baka
20:54 <@armabot> GodTodd: Baka
20:54 <GodTodd> haHA
20:54 <wrtlprnft> #translate portugese to english baka
20:54 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: "'portugese'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:54 <spidey> japanese use weird symbles for text
20:54 <ghableska> #translate english to japanese one
20:54 <@armabot> ghableska: '1 \x00'
20:55 <ghableska> #translate english to greek something blah hi
20:55 <@armabot> ghableska: '\x00\x00\x00\x00 blah \x00\x00\x00\x00'
20:55 <wrtlprnft> armabot is broken in that regard
20:55 <ghableska> ...
20:55 <GodTodd> greek has no word for blah?
20:55 <DrJoeTr0n> wrtlprnft broken? or just doesnt know yet :p
20:55 <ghableska> #translate english to russian blah
20:55 <@armabot> ghableska: blah
20:55 <GodTodd> #translate english to spidey blah
20:55 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: "'spidey'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:56 <DrJoeTr0n> its kinda hard to translade slang
20:56 <GodTodd> liar!
20:56 <wrtlprnft> 华语/華語
20:56 <ghableska> #translate english to russian slang
20:56 <@armabot> ghableska: '\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00'
20:56 <ghableska> ....
20:56 <wrtlprnft> you can have chinese chars in irc
20:56 <spidey> ugh
20:56 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> modern mayber
20:56 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> -r
20:56 <ghableska> #translate english to spanish nine
20:56 <@armabot> ghableska: nueve
20:56 <wrtlprnft> 北方话官话北方話官話
20:57 <ghableska> it works!
20:57 <ghableska> wrtlprnft?
20:57 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> how has everyone been?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm, deja_vu doesn't seem to have complete chinese support :(
20:57 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> i been working 7d a week..
20:57 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> todays my last day..
20:57 <ghableska> >:/
20:57 <wrtlprnft> aww
20:57 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: translate? :P
20:57 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> any huge aadvanced updates?  i guess i aught to get the newest version
20:57 <spidey> ...
20:58 <wrtlprnft> SuPeRTaRD-bb: when did you leave?
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> since i dont even have it installed currently..
20:58 <spidey> anyone know why when i play a dvd it skips and the sound is distorted
20:58 <spidey> :/
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> i dint leave
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> been busy tho
20:58 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: why?
20:58 <wrtlprnft> when did you check the last time?
20:58 <wrtlprnft> why not?
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> havent kept up with the community & atron advanced
20:58 <luke-jr|work> I don't know Chinese?
20:58 <ghableska> #google wrtl
20:58 <wrtlprnft> learn it!
20:58 <@armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.18 seconds: WRTL Exterior Lighting - Home: <http://www.wrtl.co.uk/>; WRTL Exterior Lighting - News Archive: <http://www.wrtl.co.uk/default.asp?id=1552&news=397>; Wisconsin Right to Life: <http://www.wrtl.org/>; WRTL Exterior Lighting Ltd.: <http://www.lightingdirectory.com/company/id/248>; Election Law: More News and Commentary on WRTL: (2 more messages)
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> i havent upated tron in like 4 months
20:58 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> but i been playing some at shrunk
20:58 <ghableska> o0
20:58 <wrtlprnft> then you didn't miss a release
20:58 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> with version..
20:59 -!- _Sticky_ [n=a@80-41-35-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
20:59 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 2.9?
20:59 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 2.8.2?
20:59 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2.1
20:59 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> k
20:59 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> but i seen some servers say i need update to play
20:59 <GodTodd> luke doesn't know something? wow....
20:59 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> custom build?
20:59 <GodTodd> i'm floored
20:59 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2.1.9.3.32.π.a_rc5-alpha6
21:00 <wrtlprnft> weird
21:00 <luke-jr|work> SuPeRTaRD: 0.3?
21:00 -!- SuPeRTaRD [i=blah@adsl-71-145-144-42.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
21:00 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 2.8.2 i think is what i been playng on
21:00 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> er with
21:00 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> from
21:01 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 2.8.2 win client
21:01 <luke-jr|work> there is no 2
21:01 <luke-jr|work> there isn't even 1.0 yet
21:01 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> oh
21:01 <wrtlprnft> 0.0.0.0.0.0.2.8.2.1.9.3.32.π.a_rc5-alpha6
21:01 <ghableska> O_o
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that would be correct
21:01 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> 0.2.8.15/16
21:01 <wrtlprnft> go fetch that version
21:01 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ¶8)
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> yeh i had alpha 4
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> or so
21:02 <wrtlprnft> i only see a blinking mess
21:02 -!- Van-hayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034242133.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:02 <wrtlprnft> well, of course
21:02 <ghableska> hi Van-hayes
21:02 <wrtlprnft> that should tell you to upgrade on most servers
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> rc4 maybe
21:02 <wrtlprnft> as it has a security hole
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ah
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> not most, but some new ones
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> yes
21:02 <GodTodd> get spackle
21:02 <wrtlprnft> and i found it :D
21:02 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> heh
21:03 <wrtlprnft> though it was basically luke-jr|work screwing up trying to filter ../ from paths
21:03 <ghableska> #seen Arma696
21:03 <@armabot> ghableska: Arma696 was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Arma696> #roulette
21:03 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:03 <GodTodd> wrtl!
21:03 <GodTodd> take that back
21:03 <GodTodd> !
21:03 <wrtlprnft> y?
21:04 <GodTodd> cuz luke's my hero?
21:04 <ghableska> O_o
21:04 <luke-jr|work> actually, IIRC, it was an attempted bugfix to make the ../ filter work on Windoze
21:04 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> attempted is the key word
21:04 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ;p
21:04 <wrtlprnft> that's a weird hero you chose GodTodd 
21:04 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> right
21:04  * GodTodd loves luke.
21:04 -!- SuPeRTaRD-bb is now known as SuPeRTaRD
21:05 <luke-jr|work> SuPeRTaRD: yeah, too bad we need to support windozelusers
21:05 <wrtlprnft>  #kick GodTodd just stupid
21:05 <wrtlprnft> :P
21:05 <GodTodd> haha
21:05 <_Sticky_> #kick windows users
21:05 <@armabot> _Sticky_: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:05 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
21:05 <ghableska> how mean
21:06 <_Sticky_> heh
21:06  * GodTodd waits for luke to teach him more about asperger's syndrome.
21:06 <_Sticky_> anyone got vista yet??
21:06 <wrtlprnft> go away.
21:06 <luke-jr|work> Vista sucks
21:06 <ghableska> eww
21:06  * wrtlprnft agrees with luke-jr|work 
21:06 <wrtlprnft> wow!
21:06 <ghableska> *gasp*
21:06 <wrtlprnft> bad omen
21:06 <ghableska> ehh
21:06 -!- deja_vu_ [n=deja_vu@Q1d9b.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
21:06 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: go away now, we don't like you any more
21:06  * GodTodd agrees with wrtl because he refuses to agree with luke ;)
21:07 <_Sticky_> yeah god uses Vista
21:07 <wrtlprnft> apparently deja_vu_ sans mono doesn't support all chinese chars yet :s
21:07 <luke-jr|work> God hates Windows
21:07 <luke-jr|work> :p
21:07 <spidey> god hates you, luke
21:07 <GodTodd> god hates luke
21:07 <wrtlprnft> god wants to kick luke's butt
21:07 <GodTodd> it's in the bible
21:08 <spidey> indeed
21:08 <GodTodd> wrote it there myself :)
21:08 <SuPeRTaRD> i got an aigo oLED watch for xmas, it plays 4 full lenth movies, or 20 tv shows, or mp3 or pictures, etc etc.. its tight
21:08 <SuPeRTaRD> even tells time
21:08 <SuPeRTaRD> $50 straight outta china
21:08 <wrtlprnft> too sad deja_vu_ doesn't support it
21:08 <SuPeRTaRD> hehe
21:09 <SuPeRTaRD> chix dig my movie watch
21:09 <SuPeRTaRD> &D
21:09 <GodTodd> damn...and all i have to offer is mindblowing sex :/
21:09 <GodTodd> heh
21:10 <SuPeRTaRD> anyways, good talking to you all!!!   happy 2007!
21:10 <SuPeRTaRD> im gonna fix the world this year
21:10 <SuPeRTaRD> vote for me for king of the world
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21:10  * wrtlprnft votes for luke-jr|work to be king of the world
21:10 <wrtlprnft> oops
21:10 <wrtlprnft> darn tab-completion
21:10 <spidey> oh hell no
21:10 <wrtlprnft> i mean wrtlprnft of course
21:11 <SuPeRTaRD> :/
21:11 <spidey> now we all get to kill wrtl
21:11 <spidey> for putting something like luke-jr incharge
21:11  * luke-jr|work pwns spidey 
21:11 -!- spidey is now known as TheHulk
21:11  * TheHulk steps on luke-jr|work 
21:11  * wrtlprnft votes for giving luke-jr|work and spidey access to 20 big nukes each
21:11 -!- TheHulk is now known as spidey
21:11  * GodTodd fixes the 'o' key
21:11 <wrtlprnft> the world will be over pretty soon
21:11  * ghableska watches as spidey and luke-jr|work proceed to reign destruction on each other
21:11 <SuPeRTaRD> not
21:12 <spidey> wrtlprnft, how big?
21:12 <SuPeRTaRD> cleansed
21:12 <SuPeRTaRD> soon
21:12 <SuPeRTaRD> i'm gonna help cleanse
21:12 <spidey> big enough i can nuke MO and hit luke?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> ooOOøøØØØooOooOoØOoØØØooØØooØøoOøooOOooOOØooØoooøøøøø
21:12 <ghableska> ?
21:12 <GodTodd> spidey: aim better than in s3d :P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> 21:11  * GodTodd fixes the 'o' key
21:12 <spidey> GodTodd, can't :<
21:12 <SuPeRTaRD> i have to cleanse humanity b4 2012
21:12 <spidey> i don't have smoke tracers either!
21:12 <SuPeRTaRD> i have my work cut out for me
21:13 <GodTodd> just don't hit tx and we're cool :)
21:13 <spidey> i was thinking about nuking austin
21:13 <GodTodd> too close
21:13 <spidey> and surrounding areas
21:13 <GodTodd> depends on 'surrounding'
21:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft, can i have 40 instead?
21:13 <SuPeRTaRD> trek to greenland with me
21:13 <spidey> GodTodd, a big circle
21:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you'll both get Tsar Bombas
21:14 <GodTodd> spidey: how big a circle?
21:14 <spidey> tx will be nice and radiated when i'm done :p
21:14 <GodTodd> we're not really *that* far from tn
21:14 <GodTodd> and it's a big state
21:14 <SuPeRTaRD> the only safe place in the US is a few places in teh rockies maybe
21:14 <SuPeRTaRD> imo
21:15 <GodTodd> nah...safest place is where spidey aims
21:15 <SuPeRTaRD> im going to greenland or OZ
21:15 <spidey> aussie is better
21:15 <spidey> noone ever thinks of aussie
21:15  * wrtlprnft thinks he'd better go to moon before giving spidey any nukes
21:16 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
21:16 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: the way he aims, not such a good plan :)
21:16 <wrtlprnft> the side that doesn't face the earth, of course
21:16 <ghableska> heh
21:16  * ghableska pictures wrtlprnft injuring himself, even in low gravity
21:16 <wrtlprnft> ouch
21:16 <spidey> haha
21:16 <spidey> he broke his leg!
21:17  * GodTodd humps luke-jr|work.
21:17 <spidey> but how?
21:17 <spidey> he fell
21:17 <spidey> o.O
21:17 <ghableska> GodTodd: not here, come on
21:17 <spidey> feel
21:17 <spidey> or w/e
21:17 <ghableska> do it in private
21:17  * wrtlprnft notes that on moon he'd be able to jump from his 4th floor window w/o injuring himself
21:17 <GodTodd> no :P
21:17  * ghableska drapes cloth over GodTodd
21:17 <wrtlprnft> ffel
21:17 <spidey> you have 4  floors?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> no
21:17 <spidey> not fair! i only have 2 :<
21:17 <wrtlprnft> i have one floor
21:17 <spidey> ?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> but it happens to be the 4th of the building i live in
21:18 <GodTodd> which is also a ceiling
21:18 <spidey> oh
21:18 <SuPeRTaRD> every one is waking up
21:18 <SuPeRTaRD> good to see this rooms already awake
21:18 <SuPeRTaRD> i've been taking surveys
21:18 <SuPeRTaRD> expect a US revolt soon
21:18 <spidey> The use of this software for illegal activities, including infringement of intellectual property laws is strictly forbidden, and may subject the user to civil and/or criminal penalties.
21:18 <spidey> o.O
21:18 <wrtlprnft> mplayer?
21:18 <spidey> ares
21:18  * ghableska wonders when this room was busiest
21:18 <spidey> lol
21:18 <ghableska> ...
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21:19 <GodTodd> ghableska: when the most people were chatting
21:19 <GodTodd> duh :)
21:19 <SuPeRTaRD> ...
21:19 <ghableska> thanks
21:19 <GodTodd> np
21:19 <ghableska> I always wondered...
21:19 <GodTodd> anytime
21:19 <ghableska> now go back under your cloth
21:19 <GodTodd> no
21:19 <ghableska> >_>
21:19 <wrtlprnft> it's busiest if luke-jr|work or spidey do one of their spam attacks
21:20 <ghableska> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> or deja_vu_ (hi there!), for that matter
21:20 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:20 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:20 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:20 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
21:20 <ghableska> #roulette
21:20 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:20 <spidey> #roulette
21:20 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:20  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:20 <ghableska> :)
21:20 -!- spidey [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
21:20 <wrtlprnft> armabot has a good taste.
21:20 <spidey> it was rigged
21:21 <ghableska> #roulette
21:21 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:21 <spidey> #roulette
21:21 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:21 <wrtlprnft> aww!
21:21 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:21 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
21:21 <spidey> luke-jr, your turn :p
21:21 <luke-jr|work> #roulette spin
21:21 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
21:21 <luke-jr|work> #roulette 
21:21 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:21 <ghableska> #roulette
21:21 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:21 <luke-jr|work> :)
21:21 <spidey> gay
21:21 <spidey> #roulette
21:21 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:21 <ghableska> heh
21:22 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q1d9b.q.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
21:22 <luke-jr|work> #roulette 
21:22 -!- luke-jr|work was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:22  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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21:22 <luke-jr|work> haha
21:22 <wrtlprnft> armabot has a really good taste.
21:22 <spidey> that's what you get
21:22 <ghableska> #roulette
21:22 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:22 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
21:22 <spidey> #roulette
21:22 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:22 <ghableska> luke-jr
21:22 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: you tasted armabot?
21:22 <wrtlprnft> nah
21:22 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: your turn
21:22 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:22 -!- luke-jr|work was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:22  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:22 -!- luke-jr|work [n=luke-jr@2002:4335:4375:0:20d:60ff:fe60:756a] has joined #armagetron
21:22 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:22 <ghableska> haha
21:22 <luke-jr|work> -.-
21:22 <spidey> lmfao
21:22 <spidey> #roulette spin
21:23 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
21:23 <spidey> #roulette
21:23 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:23 <ghableska> #roulette
21:23 -!- ghableska was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:23  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:23 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:23 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
21:23 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has joined #Armagetron
21:23 <spidey> #roulete
21:23 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:23 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:23 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 41.2°F (2:22 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa. 
21:23 <spidey> ghableska, your turn
21:23  * wrtlprnft wonders if ghableska has some sort of script running
21:23 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
21:23 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 51.1°F (2:23 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa. 
21:23 <wrtlprnft> to use the weather command everytime he joins
21:23 <ghableska> a scripty?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:23 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
21:23 <ghableska> nah
21:24 <spidey> ghableska, your turn :p
21:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:24 <ghableska> :P
21:24 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 41.2°F (2:22 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa. 
21:24 <GodTodd> we need armabot to say 'stfu spidey' whenever he joins
21:24 <ghableska> #roulette
21:24 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:24 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: that's easy
21:24 <GodTodd> i know
21:24 <GodTodd> :)
21:24 <wrtlprnft> #herold add spidey "stfu spidey"
21:24 <wrtlprnft> done
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or not?
21:24 <wrtlprnft> #load herold
21:24 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "herold" exists.
21:24 <GodTodd> herals
21:25 <wrtlprnft> #load Herold
21:25 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "Herold" exists.
21:25 <GodTodd> herald
21:25 <wrtlprnft> darn
21:25 <wrtlprnft> whatever
21:25 <GodTodd> heh
21:25 <wrtlprnft> we just have to say it ourselves
21:25 <GodTodd> #help herals
21:25 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: There is no command "herals".
21:25 <GodTodd> #help herald
21:25 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: There is no command "herald".
21:25 <GodTodd> bah
21:25 <ghableska> #help harold
21:25 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: There is no command "harold".
21:25 <spidey> #check herald
21:25 <ghableska> o0
21:25 <spidey> #list
21:25 <@armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
21:25 <@armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
21:25 <spidey> #list herald
21:25 <@armabot> spidey: add, change, default, get, and remove
21:26 <spidey> #help herald add
21:26 <@armabot> spidey: (herald add [<channel>] <user|nick> <msg>) -- Sets the herald message for <user> (or the user <nick|hostmask> is currently identified or recognized as) to <msg>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
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21:26 <spidey> #herald add #armagetron luke-jr|work BAKABAKABAKA!
21:26 <@armabot> spidey: Error: I can't find luke-jr|work in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
21:26 <GodTodd> #herald add spidey "stfu spidey"
21:26 <@armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
21:26 <luke-jr|work> :p
21:26 <ghableska> hah
21:26 <spidey> #herald add #armagetron luke-jr BAKABAKABAKA!
21:26 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:26 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:26 <@armabot> spidey: Error: I can't find luke-jr in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
21:27 <spidey> #roulete
21:27 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:27 <ghableska> #roulette
21:27 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
21:27 <spidey> #roulete
21:27 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
21:27 <wrtlprnft> spidey is cheating
21:27 <spidey> lol
21:27 <ghableska> -_-
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21:27 <GodTodd> #herald add luke-jr* "BAKABAKABAKA!"
21:27 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: I can't find luke-jr* in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
21:27 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:27 <GodTodd> heh
21:27 <ghableska> :D
21:27 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:27 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:27 -!- spidey [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
21:27 <spidey> gay
21:28 <luke-jr|work> yeah, GodTodd is
21:28 <luke-jr|work> :p
21:28 <spidey> we know
21:28 <GodTodd> you'd know, baby
21:28 <luke-jr|work> #kick GodTodd 
21:28 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:28 <GodTodd> i get kicked for you saying i'm gay?
21:28 <GodTodd> that's catholic logic for you
21:28 <luke-jr|work> NickServ says I'm identified you dumb bot
21:28 <wrtlprnft> #capability add luke-jr|work #like-jr,op
21:28 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command "capability add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "capability add".
21:29 <wrtlprnft> #admin capability add luke-jr|work #like-jr,op
21:29 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I can't find luke-jr|work in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
21:29 <ghableska> #whoami
21:29 <@armabot> ghableska: I don't recognize you.
21:29 <wrtlprnft> #admin capability add luke-jr #like-jr,op
21:29 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I can't find luke-jr in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
21:29 <spidey> #whoami
21:29 <@armabot> spidey: spidey
21:29 <luke-jr|work> #whoami
21:29 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: I don't recognize you.
21:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: a) you need to be identified to armabot, b) you don't have that capability
21:29 <luke-jr|work> dumb bot
21:29 <wrtlprnft> dumb luke-jr|work 
21:29 <ghableska> #luke
21:29 <luke-jr|work> a) armabot doesn't control FreeNode nicks, NickServ does
21:29 <spidey> i agree with wrtl
21:29 <luke-jr|work> b) I should :)
21:30 <spidey> bullshit you should
21:30 <wrtlprnft> c) armabot is ran by me, so i decide who gets what rights
21:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o spidey] by ChanServ
21:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma has owner rights, GodTodd admin rights, that's it
21:30 <@spidey> ...
21:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o spidey] by ChanServ
21:30 <wrtlprnft> !
21:30  * luke-jr|work peers
21:30 <ghableska> erm.
21:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by ChanServ
21:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o ghableska] by ChanServ
21:31 <+spidey> i need
21:31 <+spidey> those wires that have 3 prongs
21:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o ghableska] by ChanServ
21:31 <+spidey> red, white, and yellow
21:31 <luke-jr|work> ...
21:31 <luke-jr|work> wtf are you talking about
21:31 <+spidey> so i can watch this dvd on the tv and not lag todeath on thep c
21:31 <luke-jr|work> just grab 3 wires
21:31 <+spidey> don't have any
21:31 <luke-jr|work> and paint them
21:31 <+spidey> :/
21:31 <+spidey> die
21:32 <+spidey> just
21:32 <wrtlprnft> just use paperclips
21:32 <+spidey> die
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:32 <+spidey> wrtlprnft, ok, you set it yp
21:32 <@wrtlprnft> red, white, and yellow, if you like
21:32 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: what are you doing?
21:32 <+spidey> up*
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:32 <wrtlprnft> stfu luke-jr|work 
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+oo logspidey [dlh]_] by ChanServ
21:32 <+spidey>  hm
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o logspidey] by ChanServ
21:32 <+spidey> tobad logspidey is ran in nophup
21:32 <+spidey> :/
21:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: will you stop it?
21:33 <luke-jr|work> ...
21:33 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:33 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:33 <+spidey> #roulette
21:33 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:33  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:34 -!- spidey [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
21:34 <@armabot> stfu spidey
21:34 <spidey> ...
21:34 <luke-jr|work> O.o
21:34 <spidey> #help roulette
21:34 <@armabot> spidey: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
21:34 <spidey> #help roulete
21:34 <@armabot> spidey: (roulete <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who: *click*".
21:34 <luke-jr|work> #alias remove roulete
21:34 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: The operation succeeded.
21:34 <spidey> the hell?
21:34 <spidey> #roulete
21:34 <wrtlprnft> aww
21:34 <wrtlprnft> that was soo useful to cheat you!
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with #roulete
21:34 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:23:38] <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with #roulete --nolimit --without last
21:35 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:23:38] <wrtlprnft> #roulete, [21:23:00] <wrtlprnft> #roulete, [21:22:12] <wrtlprnft> #roulete, [21:21:18] <wrtlprnft> #roulete, [21:20:18] <wrtlprnft> #roulete, and [21:09:12] <wrtlprnft> #roulete
21:35 <ghableska> haha
21:35 <spidey> lmao
21:35 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft's a scaredy cat
21:35 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
21:35 <wrtlprnft> bbiab
21:35 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
21:39 <spidey> "I get to go to lots of oversea places, like Canada!" 
21:39 <spidey> wow and i though i was dumb
21:39 <spidey> o.O
21:39 <GodTodd> depends on where you start
21:44 <luke-jr|work> spidey: maybe he's from Europe?>
21:44 <spidey> who says it's a he?
21:44 <spidey> that quote was from britney spears 
21:44 <spidey> lol
21:44 <GodTodd> maybe she was in europe
21:48 <wrtlprnft> if you consider the great lakes a sea…
21:52 <GodTodd> #dict sea
21:52 <@armabot> GodTodd: foldoc, gcide, wn, bouvier, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: SEA Self-Extracting Archive; foldoc: SEA {Self Extracting Archive}; vera: SEA Society for Electronic Access (org.); wn: sea adj : relating to or characteristic of or occurring on the sea or ships; "sea stories"; "sea smells"; "sea traffic" [syn: {sea(a)}] [ant: {air(a)}, {land(a)}] n 1: a division of an ocean or a large body (14 more messages)
21:52 <GodTodd> #more
21:52 <@armabot> GodTodd: of salt water partially enclosed by land 2: anything apparently limitless in quantity or volume [syn: {ocean}] 3: turbulent water with swells of considerable size; "heavy seas"; bouvier: SEA. The ocean; the great mass of waters which surrounds the land, and which probably extends from pole to pole, covering nearly three quarters of the globe. Waters within the ebb and flow of the tide, are to be considered (13 more messages)
21:54  * ghableska yawns
21:55  * GodTodd snway.
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22:12 <luke-jr|work> who's britney spears?
22:13 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
22:13 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
22:16 <GodTodd> you're kidding, right?
22:17 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:17 <luke-jr|work> why
22:17 <luke-jr|work> O.o
22:19 <luke-jr|work> fine
22:19 <luke-jr|work> I don't care who it is
22:20 <luke-jr|work> probably just some dumb luser
22:20 <GodTodd> why what?
22:21 <GodTodd> and of course she's a dumb luser....she's not you, after all
22:22 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia britney spears
22:22 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.80 seconds: Britney Spears products - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears_products>; Oops!... I Did It Again (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oops!..._I_Did_It_Again_(song)>; Britney Spears ' fifth studio album - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
22:23 <ghableska> lol wrtlprnft
22:23 <wrtlprnft> not that the article could possibly contain any relevant information
22:23 <wrtlprnft> as spears is entirely irrelevant :P
22:23 <ghableska> :P
22:23 -!- ghableska is now known as [away]ghableska
22:24 <[away]ghableska> bbl
22:24 <wrtlprnft> don't start that, too
22:24 <wrtlprnft> use the /away command
22:24 <GodTodd> #weather 50266
22:24 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 41.4°F (3:22 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa. 
22:24 -!- [away]ghableska is now known as ghableska
22:24  * GodTodd fills in for ghableska
22:26 <luke-jr|work> ...
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22:28 <madmax|pt> hello
22:31 <luke-jr|work> hi
22:35 <spidey> #g 78+866+77
22:35 <@armabot> spidey: 78 + 866 + 77 = 1,021
23:01 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
23:01 <@armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
23:02 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I don't see how /away made any difference...
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23:17 <Sticky> its oh so quiet
23:21 <madmax|pt> shhh
23:21 <Sticky> shhh
23:21 <madmax|pt> its all so still
23:21 <ghableska> Boo!
23:21 <madmax|pt> hi there Sticky 
23:21 <Sticky> hay
23:24 <ghableska> #weather 59266
23:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:24 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "59266".
23:24 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 39.6°F (4:23 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa. 
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23:31 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: it does make a difference if someone tries to /msg you or uses /whois ghableska 
23:31 <ghableska> ok
23:31 <wrtlprnft> and some clients also show the message if the user tries to wake you
23:31 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: like this
23:32 <wrtlprnft> (you have to use /away <reason> to go into away mode, and /away to go out of it)
23:32 <ghableska> ah
23:32 <wrtlprnft> /msg me again ghableska 
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23:45 <guru3> 1-man, 2-man, z-man, more!
23:45 <spidey> lol
23:45 <ghableska> heh
23:46 <guru3> see now, for the life of me, i can't figure out why people find that funny
23:48 <spidey> me either
23:49 <Sticky> non lol
23:50 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:50 <luke-jr|work> /away is lame :p
23:50 <Sticky> oops
23:51 <Van-hayes> #luke
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23:51 <Vanhayes> #ping
23:51 <@armabot> pong
23:52 <Vanhayes> aw someone got rif of #luke?
23:52 <Vanhayes> rid*
23:52 <ghableska> #luke
23:52 <ghableska> :/
23:52 <Vanhayes> and by someone i mean luke
23:54 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:54 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 37.9°F (4:53 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.14 in 986.7 hPa. 
23:54 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:54 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.76in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 29mph / 46km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries early this evening. Clearing this evening. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming west 30 overnight. Low minus 8.; Wednesday - Sunny. Increasing cloudiness in the afternoon. (1 more message)
23:55 <Vanhayes> still really warm for this time of year :/
23:55 <ghableska> what is it like usually?
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23:56 <Vanhayes> well its been like this for about 2-3 years now, but it used to be around -15-20 in january and febuary
23:56 <ghableska> -15?
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23:56 <DrJoeTr0n> I really want to find a decient online bomberman game
23:56 <ghableska> #g -15 c in f
23:56 <@armabot> ghableska: (-15) degrees Celsius = 5 degrees Fahrenheit
23:57 <ghableska> brr
23:57 <Vanhayes> ya, i miss that
23:57 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbaatar
23:57 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia is -2.2°F (6:30 AM ULAT on January 03, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -7.6°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa. 
23:57 <ghableska> :P
23:57 <Vanhayes> #g -2.2 f in c
23:57 <@armabot> Vanhayes: (-2.2) degrees Fahrenheit = -19 degrees Celsius
23:58 <ghableska> #weather London
23:58 <@armabot> ghableska: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low zero.; Wednesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind southwest 30 km/h gusting to 50. High 8. Wednesday night..clear. Wind southwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. Low plus 2.; Thursday - A (1 more message)
23:59 <ghableska> #weather Reykjavik
23:59 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Flétturimi/Grafavogur, Reykjavik, Iceland is 36.9°F (10:59 PM GMT on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.30 in 992.1 hPa. 
23:59 <ghableska> O_O

Log from 2007-01-03:
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00:02 <madmax|pt> was that random?
00:02 <Vanhayes> ha
00:02 <ghableska> what?
00:02 <madmax|pt> Reykjavik
00:02 <ghableska> no
00:02 <ghableska> surprisingly warm there also
00:03 <Vanhayes> #weather Ghaytsasd
00:03 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Ghaytsasd".
00:03 <Vanhayes> that was random
00:03 <ghableska> heh
00:03 <madmax|pt> #weather kook
00:03 <Vanhayes> ya global warming is destroying the winter
00:03 <@armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "kook".
00:03 <ghableska> #weather sex
00:03 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "sex".
00:05 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
00:05 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 50.0°F (11:00 PM WET on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa. 
00:05 <Vanhayes> #weather havana
00:05 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 4:53 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 ° (1 more message)
00:05 <Vanhayes> hot
00:06 <ghableska> #weather Death Valley
00:06 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Mercury, Nevada is 57.2°F (2:53 PM PST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa. 
00:06 <ghableska> o0
00:07 <madmax|pt> #weather Hill Valley
00:07 <@armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Hill Valley".
00:08 <madmax|pt> ... back to the future.
00:10 <arctanx> lol
00:10 <arctanx> ONE POINT TT
00:10 <arctanx> TWENTY ONE JIGGAWATTS?!
00:11 <ghableska> x_X
00:11 <luke-jr|work> it's spelled "GIGAWATTS"
00:11 <luke-jr|work> foo
00:12 <guru3> actually i know a guy
00:12 <guru3> who says jigga instead of giga
00:12 <guru3> cracks me up
00:12 <luke-jr|work> is it funny when people pronounce things right?
00:13 <ghableska> ...
00:13 <ghableska> I don't want to have a jiggahertz processor
00:14 <luke-jr|work> so spell it correctly
00:14 <ghableska> 0o
00:14 <luke-jr|work> #dict giga-
00:14 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: jargon and foldoc responded: foldoc: giga- {prefix}; jargon: giga- /ji'ga/ or /gi'ga/ pref. [SI] See {{quantifiers}}
00:14 <ghableska> I was spelling it phonetically
00:14 <ghableska> :P
00:14 <luke-jr|work> hm, they added the mispronounciation :p
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00:15 <luke-jr|work> ...
00:15 <luke-jr|work> #roulette
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00:15  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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00:15 <luke-jr|work> oops
00:16 <luke-jr|work> I should go home :p
00:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> little question
00:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can i break a bass amp with a guitar?
00:24 <luke-jr|work> wt
00:24 <luke-jr|work> wtf
00:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now what does that mean?
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00:29 <luke-jr|work> wtf
00:34 <spidey> ftw
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00:54 <spidey> wow
00:54 <spidey> my isps caps are very unstable
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01:06 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:06 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 35.8°F (6:02 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling). 
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> #dict parasite
01:11 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: parasite n 1: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host [ant: {host}] 2: a follower who hangs around a host (without benefit to the host) in hope of gain or advantage [syn: {leech}, {sponge}, {sponger}]; gcide: Parasite \Par"a*site\ (7 more messages)
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:11 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: (p[a^]r"[.a]*s[imac]t), n. [F., fr. L. parasitus, Gr. para`sitos, lit., eating beside, or at the table of, another; para` beside + sitei^n to feed, from sitos wheat, grain, food.] [1913 Webster] 1. One who frequents the tables of the rich, or who lives at another's expense, and earns his welcome by flattery; a hanger-on; a toady; a sycophant. [1913 Webster] Thou, with trembling fear, Or like a fawning (6 more messages)
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:11 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: parasite, obey'st. --Milton. [1913 Webster] Parasites were called such smell-feasts as would seek to be free guests at rich men's tables. --Udall. [1913 Webster] 2. (Bot.) (a) A plant obtaining nourishment immediately from other plants to which it attaches itself, and whose juices it absorbs; -- sometimes, but erroneously, called epiphyte. (b) A plant living on or within an animal, and supported at its (5 more messages)
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:11 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: expense, as many species of fungi of the genus {Torrubia}. [1913 Webster] 3. (Zool.) (a) An animal which lives during the whole or part of its existence on or in the body of some other animal, feeding upon its food, blood, or tissues, as lice, tapeworms, etc. (b) An animal which steals the food of another, as the parasitic jager. (c) An animal which habitually uses the nest of another, as the cowbird and (4 more messages)
01:11 <ghableska> 0o
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:11 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: the European cuckoo. [1913 Webster] Parasitic; moby-thes: 149 Moby Thesaurus words for "parasite": adherent, algae, appendage, attendance, attendant, autophyte, barnacle, bean, beat, bedbug, beggar, bloodsucker, body of retainers, bracken, brown algae, buff, bummer, cadger, cat flea, cavaliere servente, chigoe, climber, cockroach, cohort, conferva, confervoid, cortege, coupon clippers, court, courtier, (3 more messages)
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> looking for the synonyms :)
01:12 <ghableska> ah
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: crab, creeper, dangler, deadbeat, dependent, diatom, disciple, dog flea, drone, entourage, fan, fern, flea, flunky, follower, following, freeloader, fruits and vegetables, fucus, fungus, grapevine, grayback, green algae, gulfweed, hanger-on, henchman, herb, heterophyte, homme de cour, hyena, idle rich, idler, ivy, jackal, jigger, kelp, laze, leech, legume, leisure class, lentil, liana, lichen, liverwort, (2 more messages)
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: lounge lizard, louse, lumpen proletariat, mendicant, mite, mold, moocher, mosquito, moss, mushroom, nit, nonworker, panhandler, parasitic plant, parasitize, partisan, pea, perthophyte, phytoplankton, planktonic algae, plant families, public, puffball, pulse, pursuer, pursuivant, red algae, red bug, rentiers, retinue, roach, rockweed, rout, rust, sand flea, saprophyte, sargasso, sargassum, satellite, (1 more message)
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #more
01:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: scrounge, scrounger, sea lentil, sea moss, sea wrack, seaweed, sectary, shadow, smell-feast, smut, spiv, sponge, sponger, stooge, successor, succulent, sucker, suite, supporter, tagtail, tail, the unemployable, the unemployed, tick, toadstool, train, trainbearer, vermin, vetch, vine, votary, ward heeler, weevil, wood tick, wort, wrack
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
01:12 <arctanx> how the heck are they synonyms
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> the word I'm looking for isn't in there
01:13 <arctanx> train?
01:13 <ghableska> in what context?
01:13 <mkzelda> gmake[4]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0_pre20070101/work/mozilla/modules/libpr0n/build'
01:13 <mkzelda> libpr0n ?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> I watned symbiotic, then found out that symbiosis is just a blanket word.  didn't know that
01:18 <arctanx> symbiotic is a word, but doesn't mean parasitic :P
01:19 <arctanx> it means two things coexisting for mutual benefit
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01:20 <Sticky> #lastseen Rico
01:20 <@armabot> Sticky: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 minutes ago.
01:22 <Sticky> #lastseen Rico
01:22 <@armabot> Sticky: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on Fortress Café 4 minutes ago.
01:22 <ghableska> o.0
01:22 <Sticky> he's just disapeared
01:22 <ghableska> heh
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01:36 <spidey> #g 1.5 liters in gallons
01:36 <@armabot> spidey: 1.5 liters = 0.396258077 US gallons
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> actually, mutualism is what's commonly called symbiotic, and is a peer to parasitism, both of which are included under the umbrella of symbiotic
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> there's some other words that are even less common that fall under the same umbrella :)
01:53 <spidey> wow
01:54 <spidey> i just downloaded a 1hour and 44 minute instrumental
01:54 <spidey> :|
01:56 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/speed_dome_nano-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
01:56 <ghableska> spidey: of what?
01:58 <spidey> fuck if i know
01:58 <spidey> i was trying to download the movie "thank you for smoking"
02:26 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:26 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 34.5°F (7:23 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa. 
02:46 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:46 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries early this evening. Clearing this evening. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming west 30 overnight. Low minus 8.; Wednesday - Sunny. Increasing cloudiness in the afternoon. (1 more message)
02:48 <Vanhayes> #more
02:48 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Wind west 30 km/h becoming southwest 30 in the morning. High plus 4. Wednesday night..cloudy. Clearing near midnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h becoming west 20 in the evening. Low plus 1.; Thursday - A mix of sun and cloud. High plus 5.;
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03:28 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:28 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 39.6°F (8:28 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa. 
03:28 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:28 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 35.1°F (8:28 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.11 in 985.7 hPa. 
03:28 <GodTodd> freakin' cold :/
03:28 <ghableska> it's too warm
03:30 <GodTodd> iowans are fucking strange
03:30 <GodTodd> :)
03:31 <ghableska> we are
03:31 <ghableska> but...
03:31 <ghableska> Texans are stranger.
03:31  * GodTodd isn't native texan so :P
03:31  * ghableska isn't a native Iowa
03:31 <ghableska> n
03:32 <GodTodd> where you from originally?
03:32 <ghableska> NYC
03:32 <GodTodd> and you *chose* to move to iowa?
03:32 <ghableska> heh
03:32 <GodTodd> oh...that's why....New Yorkers are the strangest
03:32 <ghableska> well, with a few stops on the way ;)
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03:33 <ghableska> hi
03:36 <GodTodd> #translate german to english ich bin ein faultier.
03:36 <@armabot> GodTodd: I am a putrid animal.
03:36 <GodTodd> :D
03:36 <ghableska> #translate english to german I am a putrid animal
03:36 <@armabot> ghableska: Ich bin ein fauliges Tier
03:36 <ghableska> O_o
03:36 <GodTodd> #translate german to english ich bin ein Faultier.
03:36 <@armabot> GodTodd: I am a putrid animal.
03:36 <GodTodd> yeah...it's wrong
03:37 <ghableska> #translate german to english ich bin ein Faultier
03:37 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
03:37 <ghableska> huh?
03:37 <GodTodd> heh
03:37 <GodTodd> #translate german to english ich bin ein Faultier
03:37 <@armabot> GodTodd: I am a putrid animal
03:38 <GodTodd> #translate german to english fauliges
03:38 <@armabot> GodTodd: fauliges
03:38 <ghableska> lol
03:38 <GodTodd> that's lame
03:38 <GodTodd> #translate german to english faul
03:38 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
03:38 <GodTodd> translate will never replace good ole guessing ;)
03:39 <GodTodd> the way i learned it...a Faultier is a sloth
03:39 <ghableska> you speak german?
03:39 <GodTodd> ein bischen...
03:39 <GodTodd> been a while
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03:46 <GodTodd> hi durka
03:46 <GodTodd> bye durka
03:46 <GodTodd> hi durka
03:46 <GodTodd> bye durka
03:47 <ghableska> :)
03:49 <GodTodd> #weather 50266
03:49 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 35.1°F (8:47 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa. 
03:50 <GodTodd> #weather 68104
03:50 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Omaha, Nebraska is 33.8°F (7:52 PM CST on January 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa. 
03:50 <ghableska> ugh, Nebraska
03:50 <GodTodd> it's just iowa but to the west a bit and with no casinos
03:51 <GodTodd> :P
03:51 <ghableska> ha ha ha
03:52 <GodTodd> oh...and with better football ;)
03:52 <ghableska> psh
03:53 <GodTodd> psh yourself, iowa boy :P
03:54 <ghableska> heh
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03:56 <GodTodd> ewww, sticky
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> taking a shit?
04:22  * arctanx has a bizarre gift of switching to channels at bad times
04:22 <ghableska> heh
04:23 <ghableska> no, it's like that all the time here :)
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04:24 <GodTodd>  [GodTodd] ewww, sticky
04:24 <GodTodd> you damn gross ass people
04:24 <GodTodd> :P
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> you saying my ass is gross?
04:25 <GodTodd> very much so
04:26 <ghableska> How dare you!
04:26  * ghableska is a Turdist
04:27 <GodTodd> -ist?
04:27 <GodTodd> :)
04:27 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma converted me
04:27 <ghableska> he came to my doorstep and preached
04:27 <GodTodd> preaching for a turdist is shitting, isn't it?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> we're going to build the Cathedral of the Dump!
04:28 <ghableska> heh
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is shitty work
04:28  * GodTodd is going to have to conduct a late night mass in a few minutes 
04:28 <GodTodd> heh
04:36 <GodTodd> Yea! though I walk through the aisle of the toilets of the Home Depot
04:36 <GodTodd> I shall fear no diarrhea
04:37 <GodTodd> For I have Immodium
04:37 <ghableska> Pray to the porcelain god.
04:37 <GodTodd> And it shall solidify my feces
04:37 <GodTodd> And make it whole again.
04:38 <GodTodd> Nor shall I fear any toilet paper
04:38 <GodTodd> For I know how to choose the softest
04:38 <ghableska> are you done preaching?
04:38 <GodTodd> And gentlest
04:38 <GodTodd> And most absorbent
04:38 <GodTodd> With which to wipe my ass.
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> we start with the statement "If you're the top turd on the pile, you're still a turd" and go from there
04:39 <ghableska> haha
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> more seriously, GodTodd (hi there!) , I just published my research paper.  Did you get a chance to read the other one, the one that actually needs an editor?  :)
04:39 <GodTodd> And should some get on my hands
04:39 <GodTodd> haven't gotten notification of it yet
04:39 <GodTodd> I shall wash them
04:39 <GodTodd> And should it get on the floor
04:40 <GodTodd> I shall scrub it
04:40 <GodTodd> And should it splash up to under the rim thingy
04:40 <GodTodd> I shall leave it
04:40 <GodTodd> Until tomorrow
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it's there.  It occurs to me that email notification on the server might be broke right now.
04:41 <ghableska> #night
04:41 <@armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:41 <spidey> #g 1 kb/s in GB/month
04:41 <@armabot> spidey: 1 (kb / s) = 0.313489894 GB / month
04:42 <spidey> #g 1 kb/s in MB/month
04:42 <@armabot> spidey: 1 (kb / s) = 321.013651 MB / month
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1kb in bytes
04:42 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 kilobit = 128 bytes
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> really?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right.  nvm
04:43  * Lucifer_arma thinks ISPs market with kb/s because it gives them bigger numbers than KB/s
04:43 <spidey> ...
04:43 <spidey> what's the difference between kb/s and KB/s???
04:43 <spidey> #g 1 kb/s in KB/s
04:43 <@armabot> spidey: 1 (kb / s) = 0.125 KB / s
04:44 <spidey> yup, bigger
04:44 <spidey> :p
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> but, see, that's dialup rates :)
04:44 <spidey> no
04:44 <spidey> even dialup gets atleast 3kb/s
04:44 <spidey> i got 5 when i had it
04:44 <spidey> sometimes 6 if i was lucky
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, technically, you're supposed to get 56kb/s
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> I never got more than 48 when I had it, though.  Bad house wires
04:45 <spidey> #g 56kb/s in KB/s
04:45 <@armabot> spidey: 56 (kb / s) = 7 KB / s
04:45 <spidey> hm
04:46 <spidey> didn't you love it when you had to upload something
04:46 <spidey> :/
04:47 <arctanx> yep
04:47 <arctanx> especially since it's only 33.6 up
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
04:47 <arctanx> and a byte is 8 bits, remember
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/118  <--- what does that look like on your screen?
04:47 <arctanx> black on dark grey?
04:48 <arctanx> oops it was loading a huge picture
04:48 <spidey> um
04:48 <arctanx> in that case, it looks like a history essay
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out what the problem was.  A page-widening post that regular visitors can't see.  :)
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> it was spam, and I let it sit there.  Clearing it out now, not that it matters, because of spam all comments go to moderation anyway
04:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, buy me a jet
04:49 <spidey> :>
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: suck a cucumber from my anus first
04:49 <spidey> how big will the jet be...
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> I will buy you a jet equal in weight the the sum of the weights of the cucumbers you suck from my anus
04:50 <spidey> no thanks then
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> I expect to pay for it by posting subscription-only videos of you sucking the cucumbers from my anus
04:51 <spidey> LOL
04:51 <spidey> how about this
04:51 <spidey> i force luke-jr|work to do it, and you buy me the jet
04:52 <arctanx> woot got gentoo on and behaving
04:52 <arctanx> (15 hours later)
04:52 <arctanx> now I just need X.
04:52 <spidey> x is evil!
04:52 <spidey> it eats away your spinal cord, and kills you!
04:54 <spidey> btw
04:54 <spidey> wtf does irssi log to??
04:56 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: sorry...was reading the latest post...and yeah i think the email notification is broken :)
04:56 <spidey> #q
04:56 <@armabot> spidey: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
04:56 <spidey> #q
04:56 <@armabot> spidey: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
04:56 <arctanx> spidey: ~/irclogs by the default
04:57 <arctanx> if you have /set autolog on
04:57 <spidey> argh
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04:58 <spidey> spidey@debian:~$ screen -r irssi
04:58 <spidey> Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
04:58 <spidey> the hell?
04:59 <arctanx> don't you just type screen -r on its own?
04:59 <arctanx> unless you specify a full socket thing from "screen -l"
04:59 <spidey> spidey@debian:~$ screen -r
04:59 <spidey> Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
04:59 <spidey> ;p
04:59 <arctanx> mmk
04:59 <arctanx> screen -D -RR? :P
05:00 <spidey> same
05:00 <arctanx> well then, you're buggered
05:00 <GodTodd> screen -RDRR
05:00 <spidey> ...
05:00 <arctanx> hoho
05:00 <GodTodd> :)
05:00 <arctanx> That was a joke in the simpsons wasn't it
05:00 <GodTodd> yep
05:00 <arctanx> unfortunately I didn't know calculus when I saw that episode
05:00 <GodTodd> they applied it to math tho
05:00 <arctanx> I only found it in wikipedia later
05:00 <GodTodd> haha
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> er, what's the joke?
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05:05 <arctanx> I can't quite remember
05:06 <arctanx> Something like if you integrate 2RDR
05:07 <arctanx> you find something funny
05:07 <arctanx> except you need an extra dr from somewhere
05:07 <arctanx> oh well
05:09 <GodTodd> Teacher:  So y = r cubed over 3. And if you determine the rate of change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
05:09 <GodTodd> [The class laughs except for Bart who appears confused.]
05:09 <GodTodd> Teacher:  Don't you get it, Bart? Derivative dy = 3 r squared dr over 3, or r squared dr, or r dr r.
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> holy fuck.  My Rusty the Illiterate article has 12474 reads
05:10 <GodTodd> yeah
05:10 <GodTodd> i know
05:10 <GodTodd> heh
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  actually, I've seen that joke on a posting of dumb math jokes.  :)
05:11 <GodTodd> :)
05:12  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes that every calculus textbook has you integrate x^2 anyway
05:12 <GodTodd> heh
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05:19 <epsy> hi
05:19 <epsy> #hello
05:19 <@armabot> Hello epsy :) Random Fortune: An exotic journey in downtown Newark is in your future.
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I need to fix the mailer on the website now.  I just cleaned up 7 pages worth of comment approval queue and I *know* I didn't get notifications for all of them
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you're "Who's to blame" article got a comment I found in the approval queue
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> thought I'd mention that for ya
05:42 <GodTodd> it did, huh?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  someone saying you're judgemental :)
05:46 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:47 <GodTodd> i know the first two installments of nowhere to hide each have a '5' vote
05:47 <GodTodd> heh
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> really?  I didn't see that.  I made some votes early on testing the system, so I suspect some of the articles, but that was before you started nowhere to hide
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> so those votes are either you plugging yourself (heh) or real readers that like them :)
05:49 <GodTodd> i don't remember doing it myself
05:49 <GodTodd> so mayhaps someone likes them :)
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> you'd probably remember doing it yourself.  That's cool, then.  Feels nice when people vote your articles up.  :)
05:50 <GodTodd> truly
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing is I tried to vote 2s/3s when I was testing the system
05:50 <GodTodd> btw...since you probably didn't get emailed....i submitted part 3
05:50 <GodTodd> the headings still suck tho :/
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, is that the one I already read, or is it a new one?  Remember I read one and suggested you hold it back for awhile?
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05:51 <Durka> #hello
05:51 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, || men were real men, women were real women, and small furry || creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry || creatures from Alpha Centauri. "
05:51 <Durka> #ping
05:51 <@armabot> pong
05:51 <Durka> #roulette
05:51 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
05:51  * Durka :p
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I read that one already
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> I just love how durka has to come in here and immediately fill the window with crap
05:52 <Durka> #crap
05:52  * Lucifer_arma wants Durka to consider himself warned
05:53 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: it's the same one
05:53 <Durka> lol
05:53 <Durka> armabot brittens my day
05:53 <Durka> brightens ***
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> then register here and /msg armabot until your heart's content
05:53 <Durka> wow terrible spelling error
05:53 <Durka> how do i register HERE?
05:53 <Durka> im registered on irc network
05:53 <GodTodd> heh....someone actually commented on my article on xmas day....and an AS parent no less :)
05:53 <GodTodd> cool
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> then you should probably just /msg armabot.  Are you identified with NickServ?
05:54 <Durka> ya
05:54  * Durka is /msg ing armabot right now
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> what confused me about the comment is it seemed like it was in response to what I just wrote, which isn't published yet
05:54  * Durka 's heart is content X)
05:54 <GodTodd> hrmmm
05:55 <GodTodd> that middle part? the rome thing?
05:57 <GodTodd> err nvm
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> damn pre threw the whole page wide :/
05:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> fixed it, but not happy with my fix.  Maybe we should make bbcode the default input format?  I could write articles in bbcode, wikitext is just a convenience that's kind of outdated now
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that is, only if bbcode supports headings
06:03 <GodTodd> yeah
06:05  * epsy has a little question about jabber to irc transports...
06:05 <epsy> does someone use one?
06:06  * Durka no
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06:12 <epsy> how many arma servers can a virtual-dedicated server that has 128mo of RAM, runs debian 3.1, has 256kb/sec of broadband, and 8.7GB of hard disk space?
06:12 <epsy> *how many can it runs?
06:13 <epsy> because i'm going to buy that offer
06:13 <epsy> but i need to know if all of my servers will run on it
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06:15 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: beats the fuck outta me
06:15 <epsy> ?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, too many variables.  :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> in my observations, a single arma server requires about 5MB RAM, and hard disk space usage is determined primarily by how often you clear you logs
06:17 <epsy> k
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> so a good rotation plan works.  The stat files generally increase in size up to a certain number of users, then don't increase terribly quickly
06:17 <epsy> and bandwidth?
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> and you could write up a script to cull users that are low on the stat files
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> is the number you gave upstream or downstream?  or both?
06:18 <epsy> they just say
06:18 <epsy> '256 kb/s of bandwitdh
06:18 <epsy> so i dont know
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> for bandwidth, this wiki page has the most/best information on it:
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Advanced_Server_Administration_Guide#Dealing_with_Lag
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and for cpu usage, pay special attention to the simulation framerate
06:19 <epsy> aww k
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> assuming bandwidth is aplenty, then cpu usage is going to be the limiting factor for you
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> also, what's the kernel version?  In this case, you really need a 2.6-series kernel, and I don't know when debian stable finally went to 2.6
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> for all I know, it hasn't.  :/
06:19 <epsy> and what about if i add a maze-maps generator? ;)
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> so, if no 2.6 kernel, you could have a problem.  :)
06:20 <epsy> what it did used ?
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> then you're going to want to pay special attention to how the generator spikes the cpu
06:20 <epsy> yeah it's 2.6.15
06:20 <epsy> :/
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> probably the best way to do it, afaict, is to determine when your servers are empty, then set a cronjob for that time to shut off the servers and generate the day's maps
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that way the generator never runs while the servers are running, and never spikes the cpu for the players
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that only works until your servers are so popular, they're always filled
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> an alternative is to have a process that just makes sure there's like 5 maps generated, runs at a high niceness (like 15), and replenishes the queue when it starts to drop
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> the world's largest retailer has committed to get compact fluorescent lightbulbs into 100 million homes this year. CFLs are found in only 6% of households today.
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> wow.  My household is one of those 6%, at least
06:26 <GodTodd> heh
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06:27 <epsy> hm it's not a map-of-the-day server :/
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06:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you misread what I said
06:27 <epsy> good idea the niceness of 15
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> "day's maps" is plural.  I meant "all of the maps for the day", be it 10 or 100000000
06:28 <epsy> well, there is 3 rounds of 20 where there wil be a maze
06:28 <epsy> *will
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can say good idea the niceness of 15, but in my experience it didn't work out so well.  :/
06:29 <epsy> :/
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my maze generator was the first generator around here, and therefore the most inefficient, running on a pretty dated cpu
06:30 <epsy> i just got an idea
06:30 <epsy> when i swtch the computer on
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> is it a good idea?
06:30 <epsy> i launch a script that generates maps for it and send them via ftp
06:30 <epsy> well, it's hacky but...
06:31 <epsy> :)
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> what if you don't switch the computer on for 3 days?
06:31 <epsy> then i make that the map-rotation script turns into the actual mazes
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft solved the cpu spiking problem by having a different computer generate the maps and serve up his server's maps
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> then the server downloaded the maps at the same time as the clients
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> umm, actually, he was trying to solve a bandwidth problem
06:32 <epsy> in my case, the resource repo is localhost
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> the problem being that all the clients would hit his webserver at the same time, which would cause most of them to drop when the server started the round but nobody had finished downloading yet
06:33 <epsy> so, no problem of bandwidth with
06:33 <epsy> ...
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, the "have another machine generate the maps" also solves the cpu spiking problem
06:33 <epsy> if i increase the round extra time?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> it also depends on how intense your generator is.  Mine is very intense
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> that was added in part to help with these problems.  :)
06:34 <epsy> there is only yours or...?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> you already have a generator, right?
06:34 <epsy> no
06:34 <epsy> will do that today
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> what were you planning to use?
06:35 <epsy> yours
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> mine specifically?  or wrtlprnft's?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> mazer.py?
06:35 <epsy> well, i didn't know wrtlprnft had one
06:36 <epsy> i only saw yours on the wiki
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, mine's the only one that generates an actual maze, like the mazes you solve in those kid's books
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl's generates a cool obstacle course
06:36 <epsy> like on...
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft's maze server?  he might have renamed it, but afaik he's still running it
06:36 <epsy> #serverinfo to winzone
06:37 <@armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “to winzone” at the moment, sorry.
06:37 <epsy> ..
06:38 <epsy> well, something with only 4 axes will be good enough for me
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see his being listed
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> his wasn't the race to winzone, that was iF's iirc, and he refused to release the source to the generator he wrote
06:39 <epsy> hm
06:39 <epsy> he's afk actually
06:39 <epsy> who owns the wild west servers?
06:40 <epsy> #serverinfo th CTF
06:40 <@armabot> epsy: Wild West  =Labyrinth CTF=  (Experimental): No online players.
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know who owns those.  I thought I did, but I was wrong.
06:40 <epsy> it's the kind of mazes there i need
06:41 <epsy> lol
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's the kind of maze mazer.py generates
06:41 <epsy> and...
06:41 <epsy> where i get it?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> not compeltely, there's some differences I see now
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest you track down the WW person, to be honest.  If you want to fool with mine, it's in my private svn area
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> let's see if I remember the path :)
06:42 <epsy> k
06:42 <epsy> yeah i see where it iq
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> https://svn.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/private/Lucifer
06:42 <epsy> *is
06:42 <epsy> k
06:44 <epsy> gtg
06:44 <epsy> cya
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06:47 <Lucifer_arma> someone come play ctf with me
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06:54 <Durka> #hello
06:54 <Durka> i will luci
06:54 <Durka> :p
06:54 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Chaos is King and Magic is loose in the world.
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> er, game just locked up :(
06:58 <Durka> whered ya go
06:58 <Durka> o :(
06:59 <mkzelda> anybody play regular fort anymore?
07:08 <DrJoeTr0n> nah
07:08 <DrJoeTr0n> fortress for squares, yo
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07:09 <mkzelda> heh
07:14 <Durka> #lastseen psyko
07:14 <@armabot> Durka: ~*SP*~PsYkO has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 0 days 1 hours 36 minutes ago.
07:33 <Durka> #lastseen achtung
07:33 <@armabot> Durka: achtung has last been seen on ¦Ö¦Server: Fortress 0 days 12 hours 31 minutes ago.
07:33 <Durka> #night
07:33 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
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07:38 <spidey> wow
07:38 <spidey> luke-jr, teamspeak doesn't use alot of bw like you said...with 4 people it only used 9kb/s average
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07:41 <spidey_> ok
07:41 <spidey_> sucks
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07:42 <Arma145> hey
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08:19 <luke-jr> hm
08:19 <luke-jr> we got in a movie
08:46 <GodTodd> that's called a casting couch, luke
08:47 <GodTodd> is it at least heterosexual porn?
09:14 <luke-jr> ...
09:15 <luke-jr> Armagetron is referenced by an actual movie*
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09:17 <zman> It is? Which one?
09:23 <luke-jr> Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
09:23 <luke-jr> right at the end
09:23 <luke-jr> something like "Preparing to transport light cycle, 3 2 1"
09:23 <luke-jr> pretty sure 3,2,1 wasn't in TRON
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10:02 <wrtlprnft> I took my race server down because noone ever played on it
10:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: though i generated the maps on the same machine as the arma server (could have solved the cpu thing with nice) and uploaded them to an external server i didn't have ssh access to
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10:33 <royale> hello
10:38 <guru3> hello
10:38 <royale> GURU
10:38 <royale> please teach me
10:38 <guru3> ?
10:38 <royale> you are a guru correct?
10:38 <royale> i just wanted to talk to somebody
10:38 <royale> and you happen to be here
10:38 <guru3> yeah
10:39 <royale> i don't think thats a coincidence
10:39 <guru3> so what does it have to do with teaching
10:39 <royale> i thought a guru would know a lot
10:39 <royale> is that not right?
10:39 <guru3> it's sort of one of those 50/50 situations
10:39 <royale> ??
10:40 <guru3> you could say i know a lot about some stuff but zip about other things
10:40 <royale> i see
10:40 <royale> can you teach me about the thing that you know best?
10:40 <royale> i seek knowledge
10:40 <guru3> not good with stuff like that
10:40 <royale> oh
10:41 <royale> do you make this game?
10:41 <guru3> nope
10:41 <royale> do you know me?
10:41 <guru3> nope
10:41 <royale> oh
10:41 <royale> well nice to meet you
10:41 <guru3> same here
10:41 <royale> are you sleepy?
10:41 <guru3> a bit
10:41 <guru3> just got up a short while ago
10:41 <royale> why are you here?
10:41 <guru3> i always am
10:41 <guru3> always have been
10:42 <royale> wow
10:42 <royale> i came here once and no one was talking
10:42 <royale> the second time i was luckier
10:42 <guru3> irc's like that
10:42 <royale> i never really used it
10:42 <royale> am i keeping you from doing something better?
10:42 <guru3> nope
10:42 <guru3> i multi-task
10:42 <royale> oh cool
10:42 <royale> so
10:43 <royale> what is your favorite book
10:43 <guru3> it's hard to say
10:43  * wrtlprnft is away, reason: “hiding”
10:43 <guru3> i like a lot of books
10:43 <royale> why are you away
10:43 <royale> and what is one that changed how you thought
10:44 <guru3> there's this one i read a few years back
10:44 <guru3> can't remember the name of it tho
10:44 <guru3> but it was a good one
10:44 <royale> uh
10:44 <royale> you couldn't have been that good
10:44 <royale> you don't remember the title
10:44 <royale> *it  couldn't have been that good
10:45 <guru3> you only read the title once on the spine of the book when you pick it off the shelf
10:45 <guru3> and that's the first time you do it
10:45 <guru3> *pick it up
10:45 <guru3> sits on the nightstand until you finish it otherwise
10:45 <guru3> or actually i might have read it all in one go
10:45 <royale> i see
10:45 <royale> have you read steppenwolf?
10:46 <guru3> can't says i have
10:46 <royale> do you drink beer?
10:46 <guru3> nope
10:46 <royale> oh
10:46 <royale> have you read goosebumps?
10:46 <guru3> one or two, ages and ages ago
10:47 <royale> you are about 22
10:47 <royale> or 20
10:47 <guru3> nope
10:47 <royale> 80
10:47 <royale> 30
10:48 <guru3> hell no
10:48 <royale> 15
10:48 <guru3> older
10:48 <royale> 17
10:48 <guru3> older
10:48 <royale> 199
10:48 <royale> 23
10:48 <guru3> younger
10:48 <royale> 19
10:48 <guru3> younger
10:48 <royale> 18
10:48 <guru3> yeah
10:48 <royale> im 19
10:49 <royale> i beat you
10:49 <guru3> Oo
10:49 <royale> are you asian
10:49 <guru3> no
10:49 <royale> are you hispanic
10:50 <guru3> no
10:50 <royale> hwite
10:50 <royale> white
10:50 <guru3> could say that
10:50 <royale> OvO
10:50 <royale> i am white
10:50 <royale> are you in college
10:50 <guru3> yeah
10:51 <royale> where
10:51 <royale> at
10:51 <guru3> england
10:51 <royale> wow
10:51 <royale> uh
10:51 <royale> i like fish and chips
10:51 <royale> i go to school in los angeles
10:51 <guru3> i don't :/
10:52 <royale> so uh
10:52 <royale> were you born therE?
10:53 <guru3> nope
10:53 <royale> were you born in the US
10:53 <guru3> yup
10:53 <royale> me too
10:53 <royale> i like chocolate and scary movies
10:53 <guru3> im not much of a movie person
10:54 <royale> oh
10:54 <royale> what do you do for fun
10:54 <guru3> play around with my computer
10:54 <royale> i like computers
10:54 <royale> i am majoring in computer science/computer enginerring
10:56 <guru3> i might have done that
10:57 <royale> what do you "READ"
10:57 <guru3> random stuff really
10:58 <royale> uh
10:58 <royale> that means study doesn't it?
10:58 <guru3> yeah well you know
10:58 <guru3> i am american
10:58 <royale> i see
10:58 <royale> good old america
10:58 <guru3> so it doesn't really kick in that that's what that means
10:58 <royale> what do you study
10:58 <guru3> i'm studying civil engineering
10:58 <royale> and ENGINEER
10:58 <royale> LIKE ME
10:59 <royale> do you want to go engineering some time?
10:59 <guru3> i dunno
10:59 <guru3> i'm not much of a thinking about the future person
10:59 <royale> if i tried to fight you, who would win
11:00 <guru3> who knows
11:00 <royale> you have a certain way of speaking
11:00 <royale> that doesn't answer any questions
11:00 <royale> are you sure you aren't deez bollocks
11:00 <guru3> because i don't have answers
11:01 <royale> do you have questions?
11:01 <guru3> not really
11:01 <royale> what do you have?
11:01 <guru3> i'm a live and let live sort of guy, generally laid back
11:01 <royale> oh you're a pothead
11:02 <guru3> not at all
11:02 <royale> can you make up a question for me please?
11:02 <guru3> why ask all the questiosn? :)
11:02 <royale> because i am inquisitive
11:02 <royale> and am seeking to knowledge of others
11:03 <royale> and you are a guru
11:03 <guru3> makes sense i guess
11:03 <royale> goddammnit
11:03 <guru3> but i'm just a quiet person
11:03 <royale> can i say bad words?
11:04 <guru3> everynow and then
11:04 <royale> ok
11:04 <royale> thanks
11:04 <royale> FUCKa
11:04 <royale> what songs do you listen to?
11:04 <guru3> that's a good question
11:04 <guru3> i don't really have an answer
11:04 <royale> ugh
11:04 <guru3> i just sorta listen to whatever
11:05 <royale> what question can i ask that will get me a straight ansewr
11:05 <royale> GOSH
11:05 <royale> GOSH GOSH GOSH
11:05 <guru3> questions i have an answer to will generally get an answer
11:05 <royale> what is the square root of 155
11:05 <royale> 144
11:05 <guru3> 12
11:06 <royale> thanks
11:06 <royale> dawg
11:06 <royale> that was "civil" of you
11:06 <royale> HAHAHA
11:06 <royale> good night guru
11:06 <guru3> good night
11:06 <royale> ill think of a good question to ask you
11:07 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(155)
11:07 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(155) = 12.4498996
11:08 <royale> WHAT THE FUCK
11:08 <royale> sqrt(deez nuts)
11:10 <royale> sqrt(11)
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12:01 <Lucifer_arma> #message royale try #eliza
12:01 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, any way to get armabot to use eliza when no command is specified?
12:02 <wrtlprnft> i don't think so
12:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that eliza is stuopid
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is, but I thought it would satisfy this royale fella
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> The Dr. told me it would take a miracle & it did! On 9/16/01, my husband & I went to a worship center. A nice lady, led by the Holy Spirit, came over to us & prayed for us. She laid her hands on my belly, my forehead, my husband's forehead, then back to my belly. That day, my miracle baby girl was conceived!
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> why am I reading this webpage?  It's just full of stupid comments from insecure parents!
12:14 <wrtlprnft> bb in some 20 minutes
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> #dict endometriosis
13:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn: endometriosis n : the presence of endometrium elsewhere than in the lining of the uterus; causes premenstrual pain and dysmenorrhea [syn: {adenomyosis}]
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> no way!  This would seem to indicate that good sex for the whole month gives a woman less pms!
13:40 <arctanx> Heh I just emailed the ISP of the only place I know in australia that runs an AA server, asking if I could admin it for them
13:40 <arctanx> I'm pretty sure it doesn't talk to master, and it just sits there on stock standard defaults
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13:56 <epsy> #hello
13:56 <@armabot> Hello epsy :) Random Fortune: If the aborigine drafted an IQ test, all of Western civilization would || presumably flunk it. || -- Stanley Garn
14:26 <wrtlprnft> hi
14:27 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails styball
14:27 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
14:29 <epsy> want to go on?
14:29 <wrtlprnft> epsy: play a bit on wrtlprnft.servegame.org:4536 if you like
14:29 <wrtlprnft> that's the race server Lucifer_arma talked about
14:30 <epsy> it's teamplay or...
14:30 <epsy> ah
14:30 <epsy> what's the name?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> race around the track
14:31 <epsy> ah that one
14:31 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails race ar
14:31 <epsy> i know it
14:31 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Race Around The Track (beta): Players (1/16): wrtlprnft |mbc|
14:31 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
14:37 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
14:37 <@armabot> arctanx: arctanx seems to be on ShadowLight Tron (You know you wanna!) right now.
14:38 <wrtlprnft> never been on that server
14:38 <arctanx> oh that's interesting
14:38 <arctanx> so _that's_ this ISP's server
14:38 <arctanx> which no one ever uses
14:39 <arctanx> guess it does talk to master then :P
14:39 <wrtlprnft> i notice
14:39 <wrtlprnft> it's nice and laggy for me
14:39 <arctanx> 100-120ms for me. quite nice compared with the 300+ odd I get on 95% of servers
14:40 <wrtlprnft> 400-500 for me
14:41 <arctanx> Anyway, given its inactivity, I'm hoping they'll let me tinker with it, and if so I'll set up a more interesting game mode
14:43 <wrtlprnft> maybe put aussi in its name
14:43 <arctanx> I would, yes
14:43 <wrtlprnft> so one knows what's special about it
14:43 <arctanx> I would like nothing more (in the context of AA) to get an aust community happening
14:43  * wrtlprnft would prefer
14:43 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo -v limbo
14:44 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “limbo” at the moment, sorry.
14:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
14:44 <arctanx> what exactly would you prefer?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i'd prefer "Ramps and flying cycles!"
14:44 <arctanx> what the heck is that?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> description of [dlh]_'s server
14:45 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately not implemented yet
14:45 <arctanx> I was going to say :P
14:45 <wrtlprnft> x
14:45 <wrtlprnft> x_x
14:46 <arctanx> also, what's the name used for the kind of game which it is by default? like not fortress or CTF or anything?
14:46 <arctanx> it's just escaped me
14:46 <wrtlprnft> last man standing?
14:46 <arctanx> nah, grid, that's it
14:46 <wrtlprnft> “boring fooling around”?
14:47 <arctanx> well if you say so :P
14:47 <arctanx> it's easier for an inexperienced person like me if you're not letting a team down
14:58 <arctanx> and a ping of 420 doesn't help
14:58  * arctanx yawns
14:58 <arctanx> time for bed
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16:43 <luke-jr|work> so long and thanks for all the fish
16:43 <luke-jr|work> we wish it didn't come to this
16:43 <luke-jr|work> ♬♬♬
16:43 <wrtlprnft> so what?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> do it like the dolphins and disappear
16:44 <wrtlprnft> :P
16:44 <luke-jr|work> the movie referenced Arma btw
16:44  * wrtlprnft doesn't think so
16:44 <luke-jr|work> no?
16:44 <luke-jr|work> coincidence?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> where? when?
16:44 <luke-jr|work> the end
16:45 <wrtlprnft> the other end of the universe?
16:45 <luke-jr|work> "Preparing light cycle for transport ... 3, 2, 1"
16:45 <luke-jr|work> or smth like that
16:45 <wrtlprnft> which movie do you mean?
16:45 <luke-jr|work> Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
16:45 <wrtlprnft> there's 2 AFAIK
16:46 <luke-jr|work> oh
16:46 <luke-jr|work> hm
16:46 <luke-jr|work> I imagine the more recent one
16:46 <wrtlprnft> i only know that the newer movie ends with marvin saying, “the restaurant is at the OTHER end of the universe!”
16:46 <luke-jr|work> we didn't have "3 2 1" until 0.3 IIRC
16:46 <luke-jr|work> yes, that one
16:46 <wrtlprnft> i never heard the word “lightcycle” in that ine
16:46 <wrtlprnft> *one
16:47 <wrtlprnft> and note that that movie was released well before the sound engine
16:48 <wrtlprnft> so maybe arma references the movie
16:48 <luke-jr|work> hm
16:50 <wrtlprnft> #g 15.4 inch in cm
16:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 15.4 inch = 39.11600 centimeters
16:53 <luke-jr|work> #roulette span
16:53 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
16:53 <luke-jr|work> #roulette spin
16:53 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
16:53 <luke-jr|work> #roulette 
16:53 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
16:56 <wrtlprnft> #roulétte
16:56 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
16:58 <wrtlprnft> #g 14.1 inch in cm
16:58 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 14.1 inch = 35.81400 centimeters
17:04 <luke-jr|work> #roulette 
17:04 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
17:11 <wrtlprnft> #roulétte
17:11 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
17:22 <epsy> back
17:23 <luke-jr|work> #roulétte
17:23 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: *click*
17:23 <wrtlprnft> #roulétte
17:23 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
17:23 <epsy> what's that thing???
17:23 <epsy> ><
17:24 <epsy> > #roulétte :Illegal channel name
17:24 <epsy> ><
17:26 <wrtlprnft> the é is a cheat x_X
17:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work loves to use it
17:26 <epsy> é
17:26 <wrtlprnft> try typing #roulette
17:26 <epsy> #roulette
17:26 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
17:26 <wrtlprnft> a few times :P
17:26 <epsy> ehh
17:27 <epsy> #roulette
17:27 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
17:27  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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17:27 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: you jerk
17:27 <wrtlprnft> hehe
17:27 -!- Nixda037 [n=55e926f0@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
17:27 <epsy> lol
17:27 <Nixda037> #roulette
17:27 <@armabot> Nixda037: *click*
17:27 <Nixda037> #roulette
17:27 <@armabot> Nixda037: *click*
17:27 <Nixda037> #roulette
17:27 -!- Nixda037 was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
17:27  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
17:27 <epsy> LOL
17:27 <wrtlprnft> *** Nixda037 wurde gekicked durch armabot (BANG!)
17:27 <wrtlprnft> omg
17:28 <wrtlprnft> what sort of german is that?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> gekicked?
17:28 <epsy>  Vous avez été expulsé de #armagetron par armabot (BANG!)
17:28 <luke-jr|work> bah, it's all the same
17:28 <epsy> yeah armabot kicks
17:28 <luke-jr|work> german babble
17:28 <epsy> :P
17:28 <luke-jr|work> :p
17:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #10 sek in chf
17:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g 10 sek in chf
17:38 <@armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 10 Swedish kronor = 1.78032792 Swiss francs
17:38 <guru3> #g 715 gbp in chf
17:38 <@armabot> guru3: 715 British pounds = 1,708.16966 Swiss francs
17:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
17:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is
17:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a lot
17:39 <epsy> does an arma resource support letters in it's version?
17:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:41 <epsy> k
17:41 <epsy> i prefer asking before crashing my seerver :P
17:42 <guru3> picky picky
17:56 <guru3> #gm 715 gbp in usd
17:56 <guru3> #g 715 gbp in usd
17:56 <@armabot> guru3: 715 British pounds = 1,400.828 U.S. dollars
17:58 <luke-jr|work> O.o
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18:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 200 gbp in eur
18:28 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 200 British pounds = 296.983477 Euros
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19:28 <DrJoeTr0n> looks like my dad has been using my computer
19:28 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
19:32 <DrJoeTron> because I got spyware for some reason
19:33 <wrtlprnft> !#*&%
19:33 <wrtlprnft> crashed opera for like the 5th time today
19:33 <wrtlprnft> apparently it doesn't like my use of xmlhttprequest
19:37 <DrJoeTron> the fuck did this spyware comefrom
19:40 <luke-jr|work> ..
19:41 <wrtlprnft> fuckfuckfuck!
19:41 <wrtlprnft> again
19:41 <wrtlprnft> and everytime it crashes it takes my ~50 tabs with it
19:43 <wrtlprnft> and again
19:43 -!- HIM [n=d9d2576f@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
19:43 <HIM> hey why cant i find Xzl server?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails xzl
19:43 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: ~"XzL.Clan The Server: Players (3/12): ->tWc: Aard, calm, M
19:43 <wrtlprnft> maybe you're banned from it
19:44 <HIM> yeah but i have played in 1 year and just saw it the first week
19:45 <HIM> can you unban me if im banned
19:46 <HIM> #serverdetails ID
19:46 <@armabot> HIM: -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server: Players (4/12): -=}ID<QUARG, .dBd|arilou, .dBd|zero, H2H|Rumsi
19:47 <HIM> =P
19:47 <HIM> #serverdetails MBC
19:47 <@armabot> HIM: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “mbc” at the moment, sorry.
19:47 <HIM> isnt MBC server up?
19:48 <HIM> man dbd vs mbc clan war there
19:48 <HIM> #serverdetails Micro
19:48 <@armabot> HIM: MicroBusCity.com: No online players.
19:48 <HIM> oh
19:57 <wrtlprnft> i can'T unban you from xzl
19:59 <spidey_> ohs
19:59 <spidey_> shit
19:59 <spidey_> i'm in the dbd
19:59 <spidey_> fuck, brbr :D
20:02 <HIM> :P
20:02 <HIM> i asked the admin on there site hope he unban me
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20:04 <spidey_> heh
20:04 <spidey_> it's still a hour away
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20:22 <epsy> hey
20:23 <epsy> hi him
20:23 <epsy> :)
20:23 <HIM> hey epsy :D
20:23 <HIM> spidey :D
20:23 <epsy> has someone mtp-target o,n linux?
20:24 <HIM> nix :
20:24 <HIM> nix :(
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20:27 <revan> Hiya, I was wondering if someone could compile a 0.2.8.1 suse 10.2 rpm build of armagetron.
20:27  * revan looks at luke awkwardly
20:27 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:27 <luke-jr|work> I don't think anyone here uses suse
20:28 <revan> uh-oh, am I going to get lectured?
20:28  * revan hides
20:28 <epsy> well...
20:28 <epsy> what doesn't work if you compile it yourself?
20:29 <epsy> there isn't a thing to compile softwares in yast?
20:29 <revan> there is?
20:29 <luke-jr|work> suse is a binary OS...
20:29 <epsy> i di dheard that
20:32 <revan> well, I could try a .src.rpm
20:33 <epsy> but if you try to compile it yourself?
20:34 <revan> well, I'm not very enthusiastic about that since I've never successfully compiled source
20:34  * luke-jr|work notes there is an RPM on the dl site
20:34 <epsy> lol
20:34 <revan> yes I know, but if I run it it gives me no textures
20:34 <revan> even the text is blank
20:34 <wrtlprnft> there's always a first revan 
20:35 <luke-jr|work> hum
20:35 <luke-jr|work> report a bug?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> you just need the correct packages
20:35 <revan> well, it shows the color of the text in blocks 
20:35 <epsy> did installed the -devel: packages?
20:35 <luke-jr|work> epsy: he shouldn't need to
20:35 <epsy> for the binary, sure
20:35 <epsy> but to compile it
20:36 <revan> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
20:36 <revan> See `config.log' for more details.
20:36 <revan> that's a problem
20:36 <epsy> yast -i g++ gcc
20:36 <epsy> or something like that
20:37 <luke-jr|work> are we only checking for a C compiler and not C++? O.o
20:37 <epsy> arma is in C or in C++ ??
20:37 <luke-jr|work> C++
20:37 <revan> C++ I believe
20:37 <wrtlprnft> c++
20:37 <epsy> so
20:37  * luke-jr|work ponders rewriting Arma in Qt
20:37 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: uh, binreloc is in c
20:38 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: oh
20:38 <wrtlprnft> and shttpd is, too
20:38 <revan> oh yeah I think I have Qt installed
20:38 <luke-jr|work> but a C++ compiler could still compile it, no?
20:38 <luke-jr|work> revan: we don't use Qt, we use C++
20:38 <epsy> there is a webserver in arma???
20:38 <epsy> lol
20:38 <luke-jr|work> porting to Qt was an idea
20:38 <luke-jr|work> epsy: 0.3+
20:38  * wrtlprnft wonders if there's a system with a c++ compiler, but no c compiler
20:38 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: it's possible
20:38 <wrtlprnft> it's stupid
20:38 <epsy> (and what it does d othere ???)
20:38 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:38 <wrtlprnft> it's luke-jr|work 
20:39 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: #roulette
20:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: it's intended to serve resources
20:39 <revan> this is a mess.. does ubuntu have a gui-like installing program like YaST?
20:39 <epsy> aww k
20:39 <luke-jr|work> epsy: nothing really
20:39 <epsy> tnx
20:39 <wrtlprnft> synaptics?
20:39 <epsy> :P
20:39 <luke-jr|work> revan: Adept maybe
20:39 <wrtlprnft> or whatever it's called
20:39 <wrtlprnft> ubuntu sucks anyways
20:39 <epsy> in ubuntu
20:39  * revan notices that luke was right about rpms
20:39 <luke-jr|work> epsy: IIRC, it was planned to have a remote admin thing
20:39 <epsy> if i remember good
20:39 <wrtlprnft> that, too
20:40 <revan> I like gnome though...
20:40 <luke-jr|work> who needs a GUI anyway?
20:40 <luke-jr|work> revan: so?
20:40 <revan> me :)
20:40 <epsy> in ubuntu it's applications>add/relmove
20:40 <revan> mm, I see epsy
20:40  * luke-jr|work notes Gentoo has GNOME
20:40 <epsy> LOL
20:40 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, if you take a night to compile it, yes
20:40 <wrtlprnft> gentoo isn't for everything
20:40  * revan doesn't want to pay another $200 :S
20:41 <luke-jr|work> but noooo-- revan had to go and wipe his Gentoo install w/o even backing up configs
20:41 <wrtlprnft> *for everyone
20:41 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, you know, you can disable that
20:41 <revan> um, I think GRUB was going bad or something
20:41 <luke-jr|work> so?
20:41 <epsy> but, where we're now???
20:41 <luke-jr|work> reinstall it, worst case
20:41 <epsy> lol
20:41 <luke-jr|work> GRUB is OS-indepedent anyhow
20:41 <luke-jr|work> you could use it with Windoze
20:41 <luke-jr|work> :p
20:42 <revan> windows didn't boot at all and I still needed it. and unfortunately windoze is TOO STUPID to notice that there is another partition on my freakin hardrive! :(
20:42 <wrtlprnft> it's not stupid
20:42 <epsy> how we did come to gentoo and grub??? lol
20:42 <wrtlprnft> it's quite intelligent of it it wipe out every other os
20:42 <luke-jr|work> epsy: that's what he used to use
20:42 <epsy> ah
20:42 <epsy> i heard that he's using suse
20:42 <luke-jr|work> revan: so reinstall just Windoze? :p
20:42 <epsy> but..
20:42 <luke-jr|work> he's used Kubuntu, Ubuntu, and opensuse since Gentoo
20:43 <luke-jr|work> no clue what he's on now
20:43 <epsy> ?
20:43 <epsy>    ?
20:43 <luke-jr|work>       ?
20:43 <revan> i'm on opensuse now
20:43 <epsy> lol
20:43 <luke-jr|work> I say wipe it all and use FreeDOS! :p
20:44 <revan> rofl no thanks
20:44  * luke-jr|work knows a DOS fanatic
20:44  * epsy too
20:44 <epsy> <newt>
20:44 <wrtlprnft> i can run dos in qemu without noticing a performance drop
20:44 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:44 <wrtlprnft> (free)?DOS
20:45 <luke-jr|work> using X on a remote host?
20:45 <luke-jr|work> :p
20:45 <wrtlprnft> tunneling X through ssh back and forth 200 times?
20:45 <luke-jr|work> heh
20:50 <revan> what are the two compilers I need?
20:50 <epsy> gcc and g++
20:50 <revan> what about gcc and gcc-c++?
20:50 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:50 <luke-jr|work> same thing
20:51 <revan> ah :)
20:51 <luke-jr|work> you also need libxml2-devel, etc
20:51 <luke-jr|work> but I think this is all on the wiki
20:52 <revan> luke.. is utopios going to have a super rad double click and install source feature?
20:52 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:52 <epsy> *hmm*
20:53 <luke-jr|work> double click? what's that?
20:53 <epsy> ><
20:53 <revan> like where I can right click a .tar.bz2 file and click "install as source"?
20:54 <revan> ...............
20:54 <revan> checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no
20:54 <revan> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
20:54 <epsy> urpmi -i SDL-devel
20:54 <luke-jr|work> lol
20:54 <epsy> meh
20:54  * epsy is lost
20:55 <epsy> we're on: suse/wingblows®/ubuntu/kubuntu?
20:55 <epsy> or /fedora ?
20:55 <revan> suse
20:55 <epsy> yast -i SDL-devel
20:56 <revan> according to luke fedora sucks
20:56 <luke-jr|work> as does spidey_ 
20:57  * epsy thinks so too
20:57 <revan> checking for IMG_Load in -lSDL_image... no
20:57 <revan> configure: error: You need libIMG/SDL_image to compile Armagetron.
20:58 <revan> ugh
20:58 <epsy> grmpf***
20:58 <revan> what-a-what?
20:58 <epsy> yast -i sdl_image-devel
20:58 <epsy> or something like that
20:59 <revan> ..great... there's sdl_image and sdl_devel but no sdl_image-devel
20:59 <epsy> well, what are tha packages thatr starts wih SDL and have -devel inside?
21:00 <revan> there;s SDL_Pango-devel
21:00 <epsy> well, install them all
21:00 <guru3> ye yucky yold yast
21:00 <revan> what if I try smart instead?
21:01 <epsy> if i would recommend you another package manager
21:01 <epsy> i would say you to use portage
21:01 <guru3> suse has yast
21:01 <guru3> and...
21:01 <guru3> yast
21:01 <revan> and
21:01 <epsy> i know
21:01 <revan> smart
21:04 <guru3> well ive never used smart so
21:04 <revan> ah f*** it, I'll just download the devel package and use ZEN...
21:06  * revan snipes the Novell CEO
21:09 <revan> omg! it's working! it's woooorrking!! 
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21:22 <revan> ok, it works after compiling from source. Thanks guys :)
21:22 <epsy> :)
21:23 <revan> is there a way to turn opengl off in it though? I don't see the option in the settigns
21:24 <revan> gah!... you've got to be kidding me.. :/ it's doing the same thing it did before :(
21:25 <guru3> what is it doing?
21:27 <revan> it doesn't show textures
21:27 <revan> I'll upload a screenshot on imageshack
21:28 <guru3> maybe it's your version of Z
21:28 <guru3> *X
21:28 <DrJoeTron> herp derp
21:29 <revan> http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/7488/screenshot2mi1.png
21:29 <revan> or it might be xgl?
21:29 <revan> I'm using beryl
21:30 <revan> well, hm, it's working now 
21:30 <guru3> beryl?
21:30 <epsy> gtg
21:31 <epsy> cya
21:31 <guru3> aka compiz?
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21:31 <guru3> like with Xgl?
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21:31 <revan> yes
21:31 <guru3> yeah
21:31 <guru3> known issue then
21:31 <revan> it's a fork off of compiz :)
21:31 <Sticky> ooh xgl...i just came in at the right time
21:31 <Sticky> xgl rocks
21:31 <guru3> it's an xgl thing
21:36 <revan> oh.. is there anyway to fix it?
21:37 <revan> like disabling opengl?
21:37 <revan> in the game that is
21:38 <guru3> ...
21:38 <guru3> opengl
21:38 <guru3> is absolutely necessary
21:38 <revan> I remember in the windoze version you could do so and it ran fine 
21:41 <guru3> in windows there's directx
21:41 <guru3> not true in linux
21:41 <revan> oh yeah, that's true
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21:44 <luke-jr|work> revan: ... turn opengl off? you mean a dedicated server?
21:45 <luke-jr|work> we still support DirectX?
21:45 <guru3> not sure really
21:45 <revan> uh sure luke :P
21:51 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc effects of drugs on spiders :p
21:52 <revan> ah! Yes! That fixes my bug completely! :)
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22:00 <ghableska> bah
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22:09 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:09 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 52.3°F (3:07 PM CST on January 03, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 28.82 in 975.8 hPa. 
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22:15 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:15 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind southwest 30 km/h except gusting to 50 along the fundy coast this evening. Low minus 2 except plus 3 along the fundy coast.; Thursday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind southwest 20 km/h gusting to 40. High (1 more message)
22:15 <ghableska> it's warm :/
22:20 <spidey_> heh
22:20 <spidey_> i think this is the first tourny mbc has won
22:20 <ghableska> o0
22:20 <Vanhayes> what tourny?
22:21 <spidey_> mbc vs dbd
22:21 <Vanhayes> dbd?
22:21 <spidey_> hm
22:21 <spidey_> that clan with nightmare
22:21 <spidey_> zero
22:21 <spidey_> jasong
22:21 <spidey_> pysmon
22:21 <spidey_> all them
22:21 <Vanhayes> must be rubber clan
22:22 <Vanhayes> rubber meaning they play high rubber servers
22:22 <ghableska> wasn't dbd once sp?
22:22 <spidey_> i think
22:22 <Vanhayes> I cant tell anymore, a new clan pops up every week
22:23 <ghableska> heh
22:23  * ghableska is glad he rejected the invitation to sp
22:23 <luke-jr|work> heh
22:23  * Vanhayes is too
22:24 <luke-jr|work> wanna start a new clan?!?!
22:24 <Vanhayes> clans dont make sense to me, in tron especially
22:24 <ghableska> clans are just an excuse for people to suck at tron :P
22:25 <luke-jr|work> heh
22:26 <luke-jr|work> who needs an excuse?
22:26 <luke-jr|work> I do it for fun
22:26 <luke-jr|work> :p
22:26 <ghableska> with 5 binds?
22:26 <luke-jr|work> yeah
22:26  * ghableska sucks
22:26 <luke-jr|work> I annoy Vanhayes by spinning in circles
22:26 -!- ghableska is now known as suckleska
22:27 <luke-jr|work> just press 5*50 lefts and leave the PC for a while
22:30 <spidey_> ...
22:30 <spidey_> i think you're wrong
22:30 <Vanhayes> i mean itd be different if clans took in new players and trained them to be good, but its like "hey your good, want to join my clan so we can brag about how much we pwn?"
22:30 <suckleska> yep
22:30 <spidey_> not true
22:30 <spidey_> not in mbc :p
22:30 <Vanhayes> well for the most part
22:31 <Vanhayes> mbs is pretty good with that
22:31 <spidey_> i got in 2 days after i started playing tron
22:31 <Vanhayes> mbc*
22:31 <spidey_> because of how well i got along with other players
22:31 <spidey_> not by how good i was
22:31 <suckleska> O_O
22:31 <Vanhayes> they must not have known you very well then
22:31 <Vanhayes> heh
22:31 <spidey_> ..
22:31 <spidey_> since then i've become a veteran member
22:31 <spidey_> server mod
22:31 <spidey_> and micro said i could be a site mod if i wanted
22:31 <spidey_> but i don't :D
22:32 <Vanhayes> heh, and when was the last time you played?
22:32 <spidey_> #lastseen spidey
22:32 <@armabot> spidey_: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on MicroBusCity.com 12 minutes ago.
22:32 <spidey_> i play every night
22:32 <suckleska> #lastseen suckleska
22:32 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
22:33 <Vanhayes> #ping
22:33 <@armabot> pong
22:33 <Vanhayes> been a while since I used my name then
22:33 <suckleska> Apollo?
22:33 <suckleska> ;)
22:33 <@armabot> suckleska: suckleska has last been seen on Fortress Café 10 days 23 hours 56 minutes ago.
22:33 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  Wild West  =Wild Fortress= 1 days 18 hours 0 minutes ago.
22:34 <Vanhayes> hmm maybe not that long then
22:34 <Vanhayes> #armabot you are slow
22:34 <@armabot> Vanhayes: It shall be.
22:34 <Vanhayes> ha
22:47 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:47 <suckleska> O_o
22:47  * wrtlprnft is getting really tired of this merry christmas thread
22:47 <suckleska> hahaha
22:48 <suckleska> it's not christmas related any more
22:48 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: can you start one of your paint contests in there please?
22:49 <suckleska> hah
22:50 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft done and done
22:50 <DrJoeTron> in the actual thread?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> sure
22:50 <wrtlprnft> that's the point
22:50 <wrtlprnft> to kill the discussion
22:50 <DrJoeTron> :D
22:50 <DrJoeTron> commin right up
22:51 <suckleska> ooh
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 5
22:51 <wrtlprnft> oops
22:52  * suckleska recalls a blastocyst is around 500 cells, and a fly's brain is 100, 000
22:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-6199.png
22:54 <wrtlprnft> now that would be a cool map
22:54 <suckleska> pretty
22:54 <spidey_> ...
22:54 <suckleska> how many axes?
22:54 <spidey_> there is one already
22:55 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:55 <spidey_> CT has a map like that on ctwf
22:55 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:55 <wrtlprnft> i made it
22:55 <suckleska> heh
22:55 <wrtlprnft> but that one is skewed
22:55 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: holy crap
22:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-6199.png ← map on CTWF
22:55 <spidey_> what's the difference?
22:55 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: too bad that'd need more variable navigation
22:55 <spidey_> lol
22:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: y?
22:56 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: you just posted the same link...
22:56 <wrtlprnft> oops.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-6199.png
22:56 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: turns like that wouldn't even be easy w/ chico-axes
22:56 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:56 <luke-jr|work> again
22:56 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-2893.png
22:56 <spidey_> luke-jr, it is easy
22:56 <luke-jr|work> hm
22:56 <luke-jr|work> that 6199 might actually suck
22:56 <luke-jr|work> for actual play
22:57 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:57 <wrtlprnft> it's been on ctwf for some time now
22:57 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-1016.png
22:57 <luke-jr|work> the guy coming out rightmost-left can cut off rightmost-right easily
22:58 <wrtlprnft> he'll have other things to worry about :P
22:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-5678.png
22:58 <wrtlprnft> too bad we can't have non-circular zones
22:58 <suckleska> isn't phil... working on that?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> he was
22:59 <wrtlprnft> dunno where he went
22:59 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-4135.png
22:59 <luke-jr|work> I'd like a zone that has different effects depending on what side you enter it
23:00 <luke-jr|work> eg, one side is red/death while the other is green/win
23:00 <Sticky> can you have rubber/break recharge zones??
23:00 <wrtlprnft> why not have two half-circular zone?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> *zones
23:00 <wrtlprnft> Sticky: if you hack the server, yes
23:00 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: you can't :p
23:00 <Sticky> hmm that would be quite cool
23:00 <luke-jr|work> and I want to be able to exit the other side safely
23:01 <luke-jr|work> not to mention having the colours rotate in a circle
23:01 <luke-jr|work> hm
23:01 <luke-jr|work> something doable:
23:01 <luke-jr|work> a zone that erases walls
23:02 <luke-jr|work> heh
23:02 <luke-jr|work> or better yet
23:02 <wrtlprnft> if they're not rimwalls…
23:02 <luke-jr|work> even if
23:02 <wrtlprnft> just have it cast gExplosions all the time
23:02 <luke-jr|work> breakout mode
23:03 <wrtlprnft> some breakout-style game is already possible
23:03 <luke-jr|work> have rimwalls w/ height lose 1 unit each hit
23:03 <wrtlprnft> with two teams…
23:03 <luke-jr|work> styball-based
23:03 <luke-jr|work> and cycles die when hit with the enemy ball
23:03 <luke-jr|work> mm
23:04 <Sticky> how about deployable sentury guns that shoot death zones...would spice up fortress defense
23:04 <wrtlprnft> ramps and flying cycles!
23:04 <luke-jr|work> for the record, wrtlprnft thought up this idea :p
23:04 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: interesting idea :p
23:04 <luke-jr|work> I like wrtl's breakout game tho
23:04 <luke-jr|work> maybe when I get home I'll try implementing it
23:04 <Sticky> pong
23:05 <wrtlprnft> you don't actually have to code a lot
23:05 <luke-jr|work> unless wrtl wants to
23:05 <wrtlprnft> just have a map with two axes and two teams
23:05 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:05 <wrtlprnft> a ball within the reach of one team so it can fire it off
23:05 <wrtlprnft> and a lot of fortress zones in between
23:05 <Sticky> are you talking about pong??
23:05 <wrtlprnft> ping
23:05 <wrtlprnft> pong
23:05 <luke-jr|work> no, fortress zones for blocks wouldn't work as well
23:06 <luke-jr|work> though they'd be coloured...
23:06 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: Breakout
23:06 <Sticky> ahh
23:06 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: I was thinking allowing players to move in the normal 4 axes
23:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/map-previews/preview-9843.png
23:06  * wrtlprnft loves taking random maps and transforming them
23:06 <luke-jr|work> lol
23:07 <luke-jr|work> get a cursive/script font
23:07 <luke-jr|work> and make the text be an OUTSIDE rim
23:07 <wrtlprnft> eek
23:07 <wrtlprnft> that would lag a ton
23:07 <luke-jr|work> lol
23:07 <wrtlprnft> but if you like
23:07 <luke-jr|work> why?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> what text would you like?
23:07 <Sticky> did like the idea of allowing the concept of different bikes...so you could chose a high speed low rubber bike or slow high rubber bike or even realy slow with shooting capability
23:07 <luke-jr|work> foobar
23:07 <wrtlprnft> I <3 luke-jr|work
23:07 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:07 <luke-jr|work> O.o
23:08 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: that won't be possible until DCT
23:08 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:08 <Sticky> dct??
23:08 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: RTFF
23:08 <wrtlprnft> nvm reading whatever he has
23:08 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: right now, all cycles must have the same specs
23:08 <Sticky> heh
23:08 <wrtlprnft> its chance to ever get implemented is -.5
23:09 <luke-jr|work> pfft
23:09 <Sticky> do you have a ticket system at the moment detailing what needs to be implemented in the future??
23:09 <luke-jr|work> no
23:09 <luke-jr|work> it's the dev forum
23:09 <luke-jr|work> and the wiki
23:10 <Sticky> k
23:10 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: DCT is basically moving configuration and game state into the data realm
23:11 <luke-jr|work> instead of having so much hard coded
23:12 <Sticky> ahh
23:12 <luke-jr|work> but it depends on vValue to store functions/physics
23:13 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126621#126621 here ya go, chief
23:13 <luke-jr|work> which isn't that simple
23:13 <wrtlprnft> neat!
23:14 <wrtlprnft> let me finish luke-jr|work's aamap first
23:14 <suckleska> nice, DrJoeTron
23:14 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6681 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: --disable-respawn configure option
23:14 <DrJoeTron> yay :D
23:15 <Sticky> is that a discussion of abortion
23:16 <suckleska> heh
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:18 <luke-jr|work> you couldn't tell w/o asking?
23:18 <Sticky> its a long thread
23:19 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/foobar-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
23:19 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/crazy/foobar-1.aamap.xml
23:19 <wrtlprnft> have fun.
23:21 <suckleska> http://www.download.com/Subliminal-Mind/3000-2129_4-10218674.html <- erm
23:22 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:23 <Vanhayes> have you tried that yet wrtlprnft ?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:25 <wrtlprnft> with bots
23:25 <suckleska> do they survive?
23:26 <Vanhayes> heh I meant that subliminal thing
23:27 <wrtlprnft> no
23:27  * suckleska would be surprised if that actually worked
23:27 <Sticky> dear lord...reading that thread the tron comunity is definately not the best to be giving advice to someone who is in some form of depresion
23:28 <suckleska> heh, Sticky
23:29 <wrtlprnft> indeed
23:29 <suckleska> #weather 50266
23:29 <@armabot> suckleska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 51.1°F (4:28 PM CST on January 03, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 28.82 in 975.8 hPa.  Near record highs Thursday... 
23:29 <suckleska> ugh
23:30 <spidey_> luke-jr, ping
23:30 <luke-jr|work> spidey_: wtf
23:30 <spidey_> o.o
23:30 <spidey_> is that a autorespond script?
23:30 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
23:30 <Vanhayes> luke-jr|work: ping
23:30 <spidey> luke-jr, ping
23:30 <luke-jr|work> spidey: wtf
23:30 <spidey> o.O
23:30 <spidey> luke-jr, ping
23:30 <Sticky> #insult spidey
23:30 <@armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a pignutted ass-full of malodorous snake. 
23:31 <Vanhayes> #luke
23:31 <Sticky> heh
23:31 <@armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
23:31 <Vanhayes> ha
23:31 <suckleska> #uberinsult
23:31 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
23:31 <Vanhayes> its back
23:31 <guru3> that's the best insult
23:31  * suckleska wonders where canada went off to
23:31 <Sticky> when did we start adding canada to the insults
23:31 <Vanhayes> probly got depressed and wuit tron
23:31 <Vanhayes> quit*
23:32 <Sticky> you guys realy need to lay off him
23:32 -!- spidey [i=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:32 <Sticky> hes 12 ffs
23:32 -!- spidey [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
23:32 <@armabot> stfu spidey
23:32 <spidey> shit
23:32 <Vanhayes> ha
23:32 <guru3> he's 12? all the more reason to lay into him
23:32 <suckleska> heh
23:32 <Vanhayes> well he does adk some of the stupidest wuestions Ive ever heard
23:32 <Vanhayes> ask*
23:32 <guru3> have you ever just watched him talk?
23:32 <Sticky> his flaiming on the x forum was particularly bad
23:32 <guru3> it's like a stream of shit is coming out of his mouth
23:33 <luke-jr|work> must taste bad
23:33 <suckleska> "ii2020:     canada... it is not that you suck... it is that you need to find a team where your thinking matches your teammates t"
23:33 <suckleska> Heh.
23:33 <Sticky> yeah he's mouthy but....he's 12 i was too at that age(i think)
23:33 <guru3> i sure as hell wasn't
23:34 <luke-jr|work> spidey was
23:34 <Sticky> atleast he tries to modify his bad play
23:35 <Sticky> it may surprise luke after other conversations but at 12 i was quite christian
23:35 <suckleska> O_O
23:35 <luke-jr|work> doubtful
23:35 <Sticky> why??
23:36 <luke-jr|work> cuz you'd still be if you were?
23:36 <luke-jr|work> maybe not, but then again there's probably less than 1% of the world who are christian
23:36 <Sticky> you can convert both ways
23:36 <luke-jr|work> so still unlikely
23:36 <luke-jr|work> it makes no sense to convert away from truth
23:36 <Sticky> hehe
23:38 <Sticky> 15% of the world are catholic alone
23:38 <Sticky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_by_country
23:38 <luke-jr|work> no
23:38 <luke-jr|work> 15% at best CLAIM to be Catholic
23:38 <GodTodd> like luke :)
23:39 <luke-jr|work> and what do you mean "alone"?
23:39  * suckleska wonders how long _this_ theological discussion will take
23:39 <Sticky> well there are other forms of christianity besides roman catholosism
23:39 <luke-jr|work> no there aren't
23:39 <Sticky> oh dear
23:39 <luke-jr|work> heretics aren't Christian
23:39 <luke-jr|work> nor are schismatics
23:39 <luke-jr|work> certainly not apostates and pagans
23:40 <GodTodd> #dict christian
23:40 <@armabot> GodTodd: devils, moby-thes, gcide, easton, wn, and gaz-county responded: wn: Christian adj 1: relating to or characteristic of Christianity; "Christian rites" 2: following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ [ant: {unchristian}] n : a religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member of a Christian denomination; gaz-county: Christian -- U.S. County (18 more messages)
23:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126641#126641
23:40 <Sticky> probably should start a new room for this #christianBitchFight
23:40 <suckleska> wrtlprnft :D
23:40 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: whatever, you pics is better than his
23:41 <luke-jr|work> your*
23:41 <suckleska> DrJoeTron's is like modern art
23:41 <suckleska> like those paintings worth $10,000 that are just a huge black square
23:41 <luke-jr|work> more of 5-year-old art
23:42 <GodTodd> kinda like 5-year-old thinking...
23:42 <suckleska> heh :)
23:42 <wrtlprnft> we need a jury in there
23:42 <DrJoeTron> hoo  man
23:42 <guru3> i'm the jury and the judge.
23:42 <wrtlprnft> come on luke-jr|work GodTodd suckleska, go paint!
23:43 <luke-jr|work> ok...
23:43 <suckleska> wrtlprnft: does this count? http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32723431/?qo=21&q=by%3Aghableska&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
23:44 <wrtlprnft> i don't see you on that pic :s
23:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, guru3 decides
23:44 <suckleska> aw
23:44 <wrtlprnft> note the detailed model of earth i used
23:45 <suckleska> very detailed
23:45 <suckleska> that one green blob is a very accurate depiction of all the continents...
23:45 <suckleska> is it pangea or something? :P
23:45 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:45 <wrtlprnft> maybe australia
23:45 <wrtlprnft> err
23:45 <wrtlprnft> go take the svg version and modify it if you like
23:46 <suckleska> nah
23:46 <wrtlprnft> then make your own :D
23:47  * suckleska goes off to make one
23:48 <GodTodd> i would but luke hasn't told me it's the One True Art, therefore, sadly, i cannot ;)
23:48 <GodTodd> well....that and i gotta cook
23:48 <GodTodd> :D
23:49 <luke-jr|work> I'm a bad artist?
23:49 <luke-jr|work> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126651#126651
23:49 <GodTodd> i can now officially say...yep you are
23:49 <luke-jr|work> lol
23:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:50 <wrtlprnft> you look like a small girl
23:50 <luke-jr|work> stfu
23:50 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:50 <wrtlprnft> in some sort of skirt
23:50 <wrtlprnft> the / \
23:50 <luke-jr|work> there
23:50 <luke-jr|work> that better
23:50 <luke-jr|work> ?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> don'T change it!
23:51 <wrtlprnft> cheater!
23:51 <luke-jr|work> y not
23:51 <wrtlprnft> the old one was more beautiful
23:51 <luke-jr|work> how about this?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> the feet look like the ones of a penguin now
23:52 <luke-jr|work> ok
23:54 <luke-jr|work> hm
23:54 <luke-jr|work> can rimwall heights change during the gameplay?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> wowno
23:56 <wrtlprnft> *no
23:56 <luke-jr|work> :/
23:56 <wrtlprnft> rim walls are never transmitted over the network
23:56  * luke-jr|work ponders
23:56 <wrtlprnft> always read from the map
23:57 <wrtlprnft> need to use zones.
23:57 <luke-jr|work> can player walls change colour/height?
23:57 <wrtlprnft> color maybe
23:57 <wrtlprnft> height never
23:57 <luke-jr|work> hmm
23:57 <wrtlprnft> only from 1 to 0
23:57 <luke-jr|work> opacity?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> not server controlled
23:58 <luke-jr|work> ooh I know...
23:58 <luke-jr|work> player walls short enough you can see over them and for stronger bricks, put a few layers
23:59 <luke-jr|work> so the first hit destroys the outside brick, but there's more inside
23:59 <wrtlprnft> good luck,
23:59 <luke-jr|work> any ideas on creating arbitrary player walls? :p
23:59 <luke-jr|work> from a map?
23:59 <wrtlprnft> certainly not from a current map
23:59 <luke-jr|work> hm

Log from 2007-01-04:
--- Day changed Thu Jan 04 2007
00:01 <Sticky> can i request a feature where you select a full server then as soon as a space opens up it logs you on
00:01 <@[dlh]_> no.
00:01 <Sticky> oooOOOOOO
00:02 <wrtlprnft> you can request it, but it probably won't be implemented
00:02 <Sticky> heh
00:02 <wrtlprnft> it would poll the already full server with requests
00:02 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: that's called pressing R until there's a slot open
00:02 <wrtlprnft> nah, that sucks
00:02 <luke-jr|work> or something like that
00:02 <wrtlprnft> you could still miss it
00:03 <wrtlprnft> bookmark it and then make your return key glow
00:03 <@[dlh]_> 0.2.8 will ban you for too many enter requests :)
00:03 <wrtlprnft> though if you try to connect too often you'll be temporarily ignored by the server
00:03 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: you could theoretically do an implementation where the server gets asked for a ping when a slot opens
00:03 <wrtlprnft> just wanted to say that
00:03 <Sticky> i would do these things myself but i still havent got my head around the current code
00:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: won't work
00:03 <luke-jr|work> Sticky: don't expect to get your head around it all
00:03 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: ...
00:04 <wrtlprnft> firewall problems
00:04 <luke-jr|work> so firewall people don't get that feature :p
00:04 <wrtlprnft> Sticky: conquer grep and arma is yours
00:04 <luke-jr|work> or just wait for XMPP
00:04 <@[dlh]_> sure…
00:04 <Sticky> kidding regular expressions are my nemesis
00:04  * wrtlprnft can't hear the words “XMPP” or “scripting” anymore
00:04 -!- [dlh]_ is now known as [dlh]
00:04 <Sticky> they are SOOOO rediculous
00:04 <luke-jr|work> ...
00:05 <luke-jr|work> regexps are simple enough
00:05  * wrtlprnft almost never uses grep with regexps
00:05  * luke-jr|work does about 50% of the time
00:05 <GodTodd> #g 1 cup in Tbsp
00:05 <wrtlprnft> because i'm used to vim's regexp, and it
00:05 <wrtlprnft> 's a bit different
00:05 <@armabot> GodTodd: 1 US cup = 16 US tablespoons
00:06  * luke-jr|work notes cups/tablespoons are a binary measurement system
00:07 <Vanhayes> #g 1 cup in ml
00:07 <@armabot> Vanhayes: 1 US cup = 236.588238 ml
00:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 16 tbsp * the answer to life the universe and everything months * speed of light / 1 ms / 1 foot * (4 km/h)
00:07 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: ((((16 tbsp) * (the answer to life the universe and everything months) * the speed of light) / (1 ms)) / (1 foot)) * (4 km/h) = 2.85574296 * 10^(16) m^(4) / s^(2)
00:07 <wrtlprnft> guess i screwed up
00:07 <wrtlprnft> err, not
00:07 <wrtlprnft> *no
00:07 <wrtlprnft> where did the kg go in the units?
00:07 <wrtlprnft> google messed up
00:07 <wrtlprnft> the answer should be 
00:07 <wrtlprnft> *something* N
00:08 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=lamb--ch@stjhnbsu83w-156034249147.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
00:08 <luke-jr|work> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
00:08 <wrtlprnft> argh, tbsp isn't a unit of mass
00:08 <@armabot> luke-jr|work: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
00:08 <luke-jr|work> haha
00:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 16 tbsp * density of water * the answer to life the universe and everything months * speed of light / 1 ms / 1 foot * (4 km/h)
00:08 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:08 <Sticky> oldest joke ever
00:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 16 tbsp * 1 kg/l * the answer to life the universe and everything months * speed of light / 1 ms / 1 foot * (4 km/h)
00:08 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: ((((16 tbsp) * (1 (kg / l)) * (the answer to life the universe and everything months) * the speed of light) / (1 ms)) / (1 foot)) * (4 km/h) = 2.85574296 * 10^(19) newtons
00:08 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034249147.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["" 'Tis the season to be jolly, falalalalalalalala.""]
00:08 <wrtlprnft> finally!
00:09 <Vanhayes_> hmm, I guess ill have to change that quit message now
00:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:10 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:18 <Sticky> oldest joke ever
00:18 <Sticky> oops
00:19 <luke-jr|work> joke?
00:19 <luke-jr|work> what joke?
00:20 <@[dlh]> you never read that book, huh?
00:20 <luke-jr|work> I guess he hasn't
00:20 <@[dlh]> ↩
00:34 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=lamb--ch@stjhnbsu83w-156034249147.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has left #armagetron []
00:35 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034249147.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
00:38 <DrJoeTron> 23
00:42 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577B894C.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:51  * suckleska added his picture
00:56 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577BAC0C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:59 <DrJoeTron> yay!
00:59 <DrJoeTron> I was just about to ask when you were going add yours
00:59 <suckleska> O_o
01:00 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
01:00 <DrJoeTron> you guys put some real thought into it
01:00 <suckleska> :P
01:00 <suckleska> and you didn't?
01:00 <DrJoeTron> my moon is smiling suckleska 
01:00 <suckleska> that's thoughtful
01:01 <suckleska> wait
01:01 <DrJoeTron> well not smiling
01:01 <suckleska> yeah
01:01 <suckleska> I was about to say that
01:01 <DrJoeTron> he's more ghasping
01:01 <suckleska> it looks fearful
01:01 <DrJoeTron> mspaint rules
01:01 <suckleska> heh
01:01 <DrJoeTron> did you use gimp?
01:01 <suckleska> photoshop :P
01:01 <suckleska> the gimp installer wouldn't work
01:02 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
01:02 <DrJoeTron> I love photoshop
01:03  * suckleska does too
01:04 -!- suckleska is now known as ghableska
01:05 <ghableska> I think o_O pretty much sums me up.
01:30 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@65.167.130.12] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> I tried, Joe, but failed
01:41 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6229649.stm
01:41 <ghableska> haha
01:42 <ghableska> "He has also acknowledged that his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, is not ideal for someone involved in politics.  "
01:52 <GodTodd> well...i was gonna do a drawring....but ghableska has already shamed me :/
01:52 <ghableska> O_o
01:53 <GodTodd> O_o
01:53 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma I dont judge :D
01:53 <GodTodd> er
01:53 <GodTodd> o_O
01:53 <ghableska> ...
01:54 <GodTodd> yo joe
01:54 <DrJoeTron> yo 
01:54 <DrJoeTron> hey man
01:54 <GodTodd> who you calling a man
01:54 <GodTodd> heh
01:55 <DrJoeTron> boy
01:55 <DrJoeTron> :D
01:55 <GodTodd> boy, luke, what's the difference?
01:55 <GodTodd> :D
01:56 <GodTodd> i'm more man than any of you lusers will ever be :P
01:56 <GodTodd> haha
01:57 <DrJoeTron> :/
01:57 <DrJoeTron> draw a rocket ship already
02:09 <luke-jr> hmm
02:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: cockpit doesn't work in fullscreen (2904x1150)
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02:14 <GodTodd> well...i was gonna do a drawring....but ghableska has already shamed me :/
02:14 <ghableska> nah
02:16 <DrJoeTron> do it
02:16 <DrJoeTron> draw one
02:16 <DrJoeTron> ghableska just cheated and used photoshop
02:16 <ghableska> I did some freehand!
02:17 <ghableska> the faces, the flame, and the land
02:17 <Sticky> ill whip out the tablet pen and show you my fantastic stylings
02:24 <ghableska> anyone here heard about the game called Spore?
02:26 <luke-jr> no
02:26 <ghableska> DrJoeTron?
02:26 <spidey> luke-jr, i'm bugging you
02:27 <luke-jr> spidey: i'm bugging you motr
02:27 <DrJoeTron> of course I have
02:27 <luke-jr> more*
02:27 <ghableska> has it become vaporware? :S
02:27 <DrJoeTron> not at all
02:28 <ghableska> haven't heard of any news for months
02:29 <DrJoeTron> I'm sure they're still trying to squeeze as much money out of the sims as possible first
02:29 <DrJoeTron> it is ea after all
02:29 <ghableska> good point
02:29 <luke-jr> I thought Sims would be Maxis?
02:29 <ghableska> although I wouldn't be surprised if EA tried to rush the release like they did with BW2
02:31 <DrJoeTron> maxis is owned by ea
02:31 <luke-jr> o
02:31 <DrJoeTron> :( fuck ea
02:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:34 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 45.0°F (7:33 PM CST on January 03, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.80 in 975.2 hPa.  Near record highs Thursday... 
02:48 <Sticky> #weather coventry
02:48 <@armabot> Sticky: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 1:20 AM GMT; Chance of Rain. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.;
02:48 <Sticky> hmmm cant be the coventry im in
02:49 <Sticky> #weather coventry england
02:49 <@armabot> Sticky: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "coventry england".
02:51 <spidey> luke-jr, i'm bugging you
02:51 <spidey> luke-jr, i'm bugging you
02:51 <spidey> 'er
02:54 <Sticky> luke-jr: im buggering you
02:57 <GodTodd> luke-jr, i'm bugging you
02:58 <ghableska> luke-jr: hi there!
02:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr
02:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr
02:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr
02:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr
02:58 <Sticky> #bug luke-jr
02:58 <@armabot> Sticky: Error: The command "bug" is available in the Alias and Sourceforge plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "bug".
03:01 <Sticky> #night
03:01 <@armabot> Good night Sticky!
03:01 -!- Sticky [n=Sticky@80-41-73-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"]
03:01 <spidey> #g .1 TB in MB
03:01 <@armabot> spidey: .1 terabytes = 104,857.6 megabytes
03:02 <spidey> ?
03:03 <GodTodd> #g 1 tb in mb
03:03 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:03 <GodTodd> #g 1 TB in MB
03:03 <@armabot> GodTodd: 1 terabyte = 1,048,576 megabytes
03:03 <GodTodd> looks right
03:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:04 <DrJoeTron> I'm glad my paint threads are becoming something necessary
03:04 <DrJoeTron> ;D
03:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:04 <ghableska> haha
03:04 <ghableska> GodTodd: did you make something?
03:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah GodTodd 
03:04 <GodTodd> no
03:04 <GodTodd> no
03:04 <DrJoeTron> do it
03:05 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:05  * GodTodd is immune to peer pressure :P
03:05 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:05 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:05 <ghableska> this isn't peer pressure
03:05 <ghableska> this is something you do, no matter what
03:06 <GodTodd> well...true...you all would have to *be* my peers ;)
03:06 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:06 <ghableska> :P
03:06  * ghableska wonders when GodTodd will be kicked
03:07 <DrJoeTron> Ill make armabot kick him unless he makes a picture of him flying on a rocketship
03:07 <ghableska> oo
03:07 <ghableska> you can make armabot kick GodTodd?
03:08 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
03:08 <GodTodd> #kick DrJoeTron
03:08 <DrJoeTron> #kick ghableska smells
03:08 <@armabot> GodTodd: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
03:08 <@armabot> DrJoeTron: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
03:08 <DrJoeTron> I guess not
03:08 <GodTodd> haha
03:08 <GodTodd> pwn
03:08 <GodTodd> :P
03:08 <ghableska> try /kick :P
03:08 <luke-jr> spidey: 
03:08 <DrJoeTron> #whoami
03:08 <ghableska> #whoami
03:08 <spidey> ?
03:08 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:08 <spidey> #whoisshe
03:08 <spidey> luke-jr, 
03:08 <luke-jr> spidey: 
03:09 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: you made armabot mad at us
03:09 <DrJoeTron> :(
03:09 <GodTodd> joe broke armabot
03:09 <GodTodd> bastard
03:09 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:09 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf
03:09 <DrJoeTron> #armabot baby I can change
03:09 <ghableska> lol
03:09 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:09 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:09 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:10 <GodTodd> #eliza baby he can change
03:10 <GodTodd> well, fuck...dammit joe
03:10 <luke-jr> spidey: 
03:10 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf
03:10 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf
03:10 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf
03:10 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf
03:10 <luke-jr> ftw!!!
03:11 <GodTodd> this is why we can't have anything nice, you know
03:11 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:11 <luke-jr> should I kick Joe for breaking the bot?
03:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o GodTodd] by ChanServ
03:11 <ghableska> O_O
03:11 <luke-jr> s/I/GodTodd
03:11 <ghableska> GodTodd: don't do anything hasty...
03:12 <luke-jr> ghableska: feeling guilty? :p
03:12 -!- luke-jr was kicked from #armagetron by GodTodd [pow!]
03:12 <spidey> lol
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03:12 -!- luke-jr was kicked from #armagetron by GodTodd [pow!]
03:12 <spidey> LOL
03:12 <@GodTodd> and stay out
03:12 <@GodTodd> :D
03:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o GodTodd] by ChanServ
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03:12 <DrJoeTron> am I the only one who isn't an op?
03:13  * GodTodd notes that was not the brightest thing luke-jr has ever done ;)
03:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o DrJoeTron] by ChanServ
03:13 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: GodTodd kicked me twice for no reason :(
03:13 <GodTodd> i'm not either joe...cept when luke-jr is stupid
03:13 <@DrJoeTron> too busy now
03:13 <@DrJoeTron> kyle just gave me a plan
03:13 <luke-jr> lol
03:13 <@DrJoeTron> to make this a theme
03:13 <@DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126671&sid=196e07c654500d2db5c2e38fecb88733#126671 we've got our selves a space race
03:14 <luke-jr> spidey: 1tpd
03:14 <ghableska> luke-jr: why should I be feeling guilty?
03:14 <luke-jr> ghableska: dunno
03:15 <luke-jr> you tell me
03:15 <ghableska> ...
03:15 <GodTodd> because that's what catholics do best?
03:15  * ghableska isn't catholic
03:15 -!- mode/#armagetron [-oo DrJoeTron [dlh]] by ChanServ
03:15 <luke-jr> sry to hear that
03:15 <ghableska> ...
03:15 <GodTodd> yeah...but luke assumes everyone is and therefore everyone feels guilty
03:16 <ghableska> O_o
03:16 <GodTodd> well...unless they say they are...then they're imposters
03:16 <ghableska> heh
03:16 <luke-jr> I assume collectively that most people are not
03:16 <GodTodd> how can you assume collectively?
03:16 <luke-jr> and I assume individually that everyone is (innocent) until proven otherwise
03:16 <GodTodd> are you more than one?
03:17 <luke-jr> generalization
03:17 <spidey> it's installing
03:17 <spidey> damn it
03:17 <GodTodd> are you more than one?
03:17 <luke-jr> eg, I'll generalize, but not apply it to any one person
03:17 <GodTodd> then use correct sentence structure please....you should be used to meaningless structure :D
03:18 <luke-jr> spidey: 
03:19 <spidey> what 
03:19 <spidey> the
03:19 <spidey> fuck
03:20 <spidey> do you want
03:20 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:20 <GodTodd> he wants to tell you about the gay porn movie he was in
03:20 <spidey> ok
03:20 <luke-jr> spidey: 
03:20 <spidey> i'm done moving
03:20 <spidey> why isn't it doing anything?
03:21 <spidey> nvm >.>
03:21 <luke-jr> hrm
03:22 <luke-jr> I missed like 3 turns :x
03:22 <luke-jr> in a row
03:22 <spidey> so
03:22 <spidey> i missed more
03:22 <spidey> like 3 weeks
03:22 <luke-jr> :p
03:22 <luke-jr> no
03:22 <luke-jr> it stopped for Xmas
03:22 <spidey> o
03:22 <luke-jr> and before you joined, you were AI
03:22 <spidey> i'm still gonna pwn you
03:22 <spidey> :>
03:23 <luke-jr> yeah right
03:23 <spidey> wanna bet?
03:23 <luke-jr> I have 10 allies
03:23 <luke-jr> :p
03:23 <spidey> so?
03:23 <GodTodd> spidey: just don't build a wonder until you run it by luke first 
03:23 <GodTodd> heh
03:23 <spidey> let me guess
03:23 <luke-jr> spidey: :p
03:23 <spidey> your 10 allies are AI?
03:23 <luke-jr> spidey: GodTodd can't handle being made fun of, despite that he does it all the time
03:24 <luke-jr> to me
03:24 <luke-jr> no
03:24 <GodTodd> when did you make fun of me?
03:24 <spidey> well
03:24 <spidey> i'll have to bribe your allies
03:24 <spidey> and the ones that don't accept
03:24 <spidey> well, i'll destroy them first :p
03:24 <luke-jr> 2 are potential-human, 1 human, 1 AI
03:24 <spidey> um
03:24 <spidey> did you fail first grade?
03:24 <luke-jr> :p
03:25 <GodTodd> luke-jr: please back up your assertion that i can't handle being made fun of?
03:25 <luke-jr> no, I just counted in base 4 :p
03:25 <spidey> well
03:25 <spidey> you're gay
03:25 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I laugh at your decision for wonder, and you throw a fit
03:25 <GodTodd> not at all
03:25 <GodTodd> i told you to tell me what to build then
03:26 <spidey> there's nothing wrong with the eifle tower
03:26 <GodTodd> and you refused
03:26 <GodTodd> luke-jr: please back up your assertion that i can't handle being made fun of?
03:26  * spidey hates waiting 3 turns for a government change
03:26 <spidey> >.<
03:26 <luke-jr> spidey: except the typo
03:26 <spidey> luke-jr, 1vs1 freeciv?
03:26 <luke-jr> ???
03:26 <spidey> me vs you
03:26 <spidey> :p
03:26 <luke-jr> no AI?
03:26 <spidey> nope
03:26 <luke-jr> :|
03:26 <luke-jr> I'll prolly lose
03:26 <spidey> :p
03:26 <GodTodd> luke is the one that can't handle the truth...muting me when i point out he's a boy that needs a god and wife to control his life for him :D
03:27 <spidey> his wife sounds hot...
03:27 <spidey> luke-jr, send me a pic :p
03:27 <luke-jr> ...
03:27 <GodTodd> she is...hell of a lay too ;)
03:27 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126711#126711 booya
03:27 <luke-jr> spidey: I would, but you'd prolly lust after her or smth
03:28 <spidey> LOL
03:28 <DrJoeTron> alright I'm out of here
03:28 <luke-jr> spidey: hachi 5555
03:28 <GodTodd> don't go, joe!
03:28 <DrJoeTron> I have to!
03:28 <GodTodd> no!
03:28  * luke-jr sends DrJoeTron and GodTodd to their room
03:28 <DrJoeTron> I have this thing called life
03:28 <DrJoeTron> that I have to start having again
03:28 <GodTodd> #luke
03:29 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd go draw!
03:29 <luke-jr> he broke it stupid
03:29 <DrJoeTron> meet me on mars
03:29 <GodTodd> fuck you, moron
03:29 <DrJoeTron> :(
03:29 <luke-jr> lol
03:29 <GodTodd> not you
03:29 <luke-jr> LOL
03:29 <GodTodd> the One True moron :D
03:29 <DrJoeTron> DRAW A SPACEMAN
03:29 <ghableska> nice one, DrJoeTron
03:30 <DrJoeTron> :D thanks
03:30 <DrJoeTron> too bad it accidently dithered the fuck out of it
03:30 <DrJoeTron> ahh I dont care
03:31 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> he broke it stupid <----------- please do not verbally abuse me any further, good sir
03:31 <luke-jr> stfu idiot
03:31 <GodTodd> i love you
03:32 <GodTodd> don't you love me?
03:32  * GodTodd cries.
03:35 <luke-jr> die
03:36  * ghableska does what he does best
03:36 <GodTodd> how very christian of you
03:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:36  * GodTodd waits for luke to call ghableska stupid now
03:40 <GodTodd> ahh see...i'm special....luke *does* love me :D
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: I drew one :)
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> I drew one of you, though
03:46 <ghableska> I'm drawing what happens after DrJoeTron's
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: GodTodd, nananananana
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, draw what happens after mine then :)
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> Mine goes to the immediate right of joe's
03:46 <GodTodd> nananananana?
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> I was making fun of you
03:47 <GodTodd> oh
03:47 <GodTodd> fucker
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> pisser
03:47 <GodTodd> shitter
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> boober
03:47 <GodTodd> luke-jr
03:47 <GodTodd> :P
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> oooo, I thought you were my friend!
03:47  * GodTodd wins.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> is there a freeciv game going on right now?
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
03:49 <GodTodd> you just did a sign?
03:49 <GodTodd> cheater :P
03:50 <spidey> heh
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's got to walk those two miles to get to my house
03:50 <spidey> what's sad is when my army is bigger than lukes, and i haven't even built army yet
03:50 <spidey> xD
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> you guys playing right now?  and you haven't pwned him yet?
03:51 <spidey> we just started
03:51 <spidey> and my army's already bigger...
03:51 <spidey> it's 1vs1 btw
03:51 <spidey> no AI
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> you built a warrior?
03:51 <spidey> no
03:51 <spidey> i picked up 
03:51 <spidey> 4 horsemen
03:51 <spidey> 4 legions
03:51 <spidey> a chariot
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that doesn't count, that's no feat
03:51 <luke-jr> lol
03:51 <spidey> a archer
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's just exploring.  Maybe he gots techs or something.
03:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it's me vs spidey
03:52 <luke-jr> nobody else
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> you're bragging because you found shit in the dirt
03:52 <luke-jr> no AI
03:52 <spidey> exactly :D
03:52 <luke-jr> lol
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's exploring too, and if he didn't find units, that means he found gold or techs
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> so curb that ego before he bitchslaps it!
03:52 <spidey> nah
03:52 <spidey> it's a small,small map
03:52 <spidey> and my island is like 2/3 of the map :p
03:52 <spidey> that's right...MY island :D
03:53 <GodTodd> luke-jr? win freeciv? ok...when did the dimensional shift happen?
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, in a 1v1 game where the player that's not luke finds nothing but units in huts and luke finds techs and gold, it *could* happen
03:53 <luke-jr> spidey's ASSUMING I have a small army
03:53 <luke-jr> your isle is like 1/3 of the map
03:54 <spidey> no way
03:54 <luke-jr> on the other hand, I have explored about 1/2 the map w/ my Triemes
03:54 <spidey> dude
03:54 <spidey> i see fukuoka
03:54 <spidey> i'ma take it :p
03:54 <GodTodd> +y
03:55 <spidey> :p :p
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I wanted to have a city called FuckYouOkay? in the Luciferian city list
03:56 <spidey> hm
03:57 <ghableska> ok Lucifer_arma: I stuck mine in there
03:57 <spidey> luke-jr, i thought you was on supper break..
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> poor joe, he's just not having a good day
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's what he gets for flying a pirated Microsoft rocket
03:58 <ghableska> haha
03:58 <spidey> lol
03:59 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
03:59 <@Lucifer_arma> is armabot responding to anybody else?
03:59 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:59 <spidey> #ping
03:59 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by Lucifer_arma
03:59 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> she shouldn't be opped if she's got problems
04:00 <ghableska> heh
04:00 <spidey> pms?
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> not enough sex, apparently
04:00 <spidey> blame wrtl...
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04:00 <ghableska> wow, I just realized something
04:00 <GodTodd> <ghableska> ok Lucifer_arma: I stuck mine in there
04:00 <GodTodd> <ghableska> ok Lucifer_arma: I stuck mine in there
04:00 <GodTodd> <ghableska> ok Lucifer_arma: I stuck mine in there
04:00 <ghableska> I made two posts within a day of each other :o
04:00 <ghableska> let alone actually posting something
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, ghableska (hi there!) , are you on drugs or something?
04:01 <ghableska> *shifty eyes*
04:01 <ghableska> luke-jr did it
04:01 <spidey> lol
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, now that my brain has returned to normal, I've got to do a lot of writing tonight, then some coding, then some more writing
04:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna play freeciv?
04:04 <GodTodd> when did your brain go normal?
04:04 <GodTodd> and whatcha writing?
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> Luci: I have to do <a whole bunch of shit>   Spidey: Wanna play freeciv?
04:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna play scorched3d??
04:06 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: one of the magazines I queried wants the first 3 paragraphs of the article to decide if they want to buy it, so I have to write those paragraphs
04:06 <Lucifer_arma> then I need to write some cover letters and send my resume off to some people
04:06 <GodTodd> cool :)
04:08 <GodTodd> i need to query some more agents and take a look at some of those markets you linked me
04:10 <GodTodd> :/
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> wintermester over yet?
04:13 <ghableska> anyone know what Otto I was famous for?
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> Otto von Bismarck?
04:14 <ghableska> no
04:14 <ghableska> A Saxon king
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> Otto-mobile?
04:14 <ghableska> ha ha
04:15 <luke-jr> ...
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> only Otto I know is Otto von Bismarck, who may have been a Saxon king.  Late 19th century he brought together all the German city states into a new empire
04:15 <ghableska> this is in the 10th century :)
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> the German empire, which would participate in WWI
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> was he one of Charlemagne's kids?
04:16 <ghableska> I'm not sure
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I
04:16 <ghableska> ah, thanks :)
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> looks like he founded the Holy Roman Empire from the ashes of Charlemagne's empire, the part that was centered in Germany
04:18 <ghableska> ok
04:18  * ghableska has finals soon
04:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: nah...wintermester finals are next tuesday
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> how much of a break do you get before the spring semester starts?
04:20 <GodTodd> a week
04:22 <GodTodd> my history teacher sucks
04:22 <GodTodd> heh
04:22 <ghableska> mine all have
04:22 <GodTodd> this is my last history class
04:22 <ghableska> one told us that the o reilly factor was "unbiased"
04:22 <ghableska> O_o
04:23 <luke-jr> nothing is unbiased..
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> the O'Reilly factor?  What's that?
04:24 <spidey> exploring with legions is slow
04:24 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_O%27Reilly_Factor
04:26 <GodTodd> did that same teacher think rush limbaugh was unbiased?
04:26 <ghableska> probably
04:26 <ghableska> heh
04:26  * ghableska recalls he had very conservative views
04:26 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
04:26 <Durka> #hello
04:26 <GodTodd> hi justing
04:26 <Durka> yo
04:26 <GodTodd> hi justin*
04:27 <ghableska> your name is Justin?
04:27 <Durka> whats up Tod
04:27 <Durka> ya
04:27 <GodTodd> hmmm i apparently dropped a 'd'
04:27  * GodTodd looks for it.
04:27 <Durka> d
04:27 <Durka> up there ^^
04:28 <Durka> Tod                                                                                                                                   d
04:29 <Durka> lol...the d...                                                                                                                         is^
04:29 <Durka> :p
04:29 <Durka> horrible allignment
04:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o GodTodd] by ChanServ
04:30  * spidey notes to invade luke-jr while he has gunpowder and luke doesn't
04:30 <Durka> wrtl's site is not working and therefore my site is running super slowly :(
04:30 <luke-jr> spidey: too late
04:31 <luke-jr> just got it
04:31 <ghableska> GodTodd: again, let's not do anything hasty ;)
04:31  * Durka has Saddam's head in his wall inbetween the moose head and...
04:31 <Durka> spidey's feet
04:31 <Durka> o_O
04:32 <ghableska> GodTodd: are you replacing armabot now?
04:32 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:32 <luke-jr> ROFL
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: roulette
04:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, *click*
04:33 <spidey> 'er
04:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o GodTodd] by ChanServ
04:34 <luke-jr> GodTodd's broken too
04:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o spidey] by ChanServ
04:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:34 <ghableska> so is spidey
04:35 <GodTodd> luke-jr: at least my brain works :D
04:35 <Durka> ill be armabot
04:35 <Durka> one sec
04:36 <Durka> im eating
04:36 -!- Durka is now known as Durka-away
04:37  * GodTodd waits for luke to finish assimilating his last statement.
04:38  * GodTodd should probably have made it more monosyllabic.
04:38 <ghableska> heh
04:40 <luke-jr> GodTodd: that was mean; apologize to spidey
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04:41 <@spidey> ?
04:41 <GodTodd> why? it was directed at you, stupid
04:42 <@spidey> your stupid warrior killed my hardened chariot
04:42 <GodTodd> spidey: he's cheating
04:42 <GodTodd> kick him :D
04:42 <@spidey> huh?
04:43  * GodTodd points out spidey is op
04:43 <ghableska> kick me :P
04:43 <@spidey> o.O
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> why is monosyllabic such a long word?
04:47 <GodTodd> how come monosyllabic isn't?
04:48 <ghableska> why is spidey ops?
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> is there any way we can force armabot back to normal without needing wrtlprnft (hi there!) to do something?
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04:49 <Durka> #hello
04:49 <@spidey> have wrtl give you a shell on his server?
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, maybe
04:49 <Durka> #fuck...armabot is broken!
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> it would have been so long ago that I don't now remember any login details
04:50 <Durka> god!
04:50 <Durka> his entire everything is down
04:50 <Durka> my forum is running like a turtle
04:51 <GodTodd> did wrtl switch to a luke-hosted server?
04:51 <ghableska> haha
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> apparently
04:51 <Durka> lmao todd
04:51 <Durka> :p
04:52 <Durka> and even worse
04:52 <Durka> where i fetch the info for my server stats...thats also down
04:52 <Durka> my site is like its hosted on a 1k dialup server
04:52 <Durka> =/
04:53  * ghableska fondly remembers his dial-up days
04:53  * Durka does too :p
04:53 <GodTodd> in iowa...that could be yesterday :D
04:53 <ghableska> it was when I lived in IL. :P
04:53 <ghableska> I don't live in the middle of nowhere, spidey does.
04:54 <@spidey> so?
04:54 <@spidey> i like living in the middle of nowhere
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> how can you say you live in Iowa and that you don't live in the middle of nowhere?
04:54 <@spidey> atleast i don't get the cops called on me cause my music is to loud
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean you live on the edge of Iowa?
04:54 <@spidey> anymore*
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I don't either :)
04:54 <@spidey> when i lived in bradford i did alot :/
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I never have
04:55 <@spidey> disturbing the peace
04:55 <@spidey> it's not like i was blowing bombs up
04:55 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: I live in the largest city :P
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, don't disturb the peace
04:55 <@spidey> fuck the peace
04:55 <@spidey> who needs peace anyways :D
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> apparently google's slow too
04:56 <ghableska> NE is more like the middle of nowhere
04:56 <GodTodd> maybe the internet is going down :)
04:56 <ghableska> I've seen tumbleweeds!
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh, nvm, my irc window was covering up a dialog
04:56 <GodTodd> ghableska: no...NE is WEST of nowhere
04:56 <ghableska> :P
04:57 <ghableska> is having a giant catfish something to be proud of?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catfish_welcome_to_paris_tennessee.jpg
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> oh come on you guys, everybody knows if it's not inside Texas, it *is* nowhere
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> by definition
04:58 <luke-jr> NE is the middle of nowhere
04:58 <GodTodd> there's two types of people: those born in texas and those that get here as fast as they can 
04:58 <GodTodd> heh
04:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr: stfu
04:58 <luke-jr> u
04:58 <ghableska> #luke
04:58 <GodTodd> that's a very hurtful comeback
04:58 <ghableska> oops, forgot
04:58 <GodTodd> actually...there's 10 types of people
04:59 <GodTodd> those that understand binary and those who don't
04:59 <ghableska> -_-
04:59 <GodTodd> ...
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04:59 <GodTodd> Hayes!
05:00 <ghableska> heh
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> Robin Williams
05:00 <GodTodd> yah...i like that one
05:00  * Lucifer_arma is reading Robin Williams quotes
05:00 <GodTodd> robin williams rocks....so luke will say he is lame
05:00 <ghableska> robin williams is funny :)
05:01 <ghableska> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1734727723734486891
05:01  * ghableska would highly encourage everyone to see that :P
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator", we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git." 
05:01 <@spidey> well if you dont like this thread, piss off 
05:01 <@spidey> who says that to a admin????
05:02 <@spidey> that guy's a complete dumbass >:|
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, nvm, it was me" --spidey
05:02 <@spidey> you're not aussie
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> "I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." 
05:03 <@spidey> lol
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a 'part' of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a 'part' of Europe."
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> haha, Dan Quayle was so stupid
05:04 <ghableska> that sounds like quayle
05:04 <ghableska> er
05:04 <ghableska> heh
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> that is quayle :)
05:04 <ghableska> he's even funnier than bush :)
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." 
05:04 <ghableska> "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix."
05:05 <ghableska> "You all look like happy campers to me. Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you will always be."
05:05 <ghableska> hahaha
05:05 <ghableska> "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
05:06 <ghableska> my favorite "Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific. It is in the Pacific. It is a part of the United States that is an island that is right here."
05:06 <ghableska> I'm going to sleep, 'night
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05:07 <GodTodd> dammit...i forgot to ask him if Vilsak is any good
05:07 <GodTodd> :/
05:08 <@spidey> ghableska, is vilsak anygood?
05:08 <GodTodd> Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.
05:09 <GodTodd> When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame.
05:09 -!- spidey is now known as Willy
05:09 <Durka> lol
05:09 -!- Willy is now known as WillyBrandt
05:10 <Durka> #roulette
05:10 <Durka> :(
05:10 <@WillyBrandt> #ping
05:12 <Durka> armabot: pong
05:13 <Durka> #roulette
05:13 <Durka> armabot: Durka: "click"
05:15 <@WillyBrandt> luke's under seige :D
05:15 <GodTodd> luke's under a dude?
05:15 <luke-jr> 1 city is
05:15 <luke-jr> and well defended
05:15 <@WillyBrandt> muskets don't count
05:16 <GodTodd> kick his ass spidey
05:16 <@WillyBrandt> hmm
05:16 <luke-jr> not muskets :p
05:16 <@WillyBrandt> there was muskets
05:16 <@WillyBrandt> and
05:16 <@WillyBrandt> a riflemen
05:16 <luke-jr> you forgot #s
05:17 <luke-jr> HAHA
05:17 <luke-jr> they ALL survived
05:17 <GodTodd> For NASA, space is still a high priority.
05:18 <luke-jr> spidey, please siege me more often
05:18 <luke-jr> that was fun
05:19 <@WillyBrandt> that's ok
05:19 <@WillyBrandt> this time it's alpines, and cannons
05:21 <@WillyBrandt> marines to
05:21 <@WillyBrandt> ph34r the marines!
05:28 <@WillyBrandt> GTFA!
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.
05:29 <GodTodd> already did that one :P
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right
05:37 <@WillyBrandt> my dog just pissed in the floor
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05:39 <Durka> lol poor spidey
05:40 <GodTodd> spidey: doggie see, doggie do?
05:40 <GodTodd> ;)
05:40 <@WillyBrandt> ?
05:40 <@WillyBrandt> i don't piss in the floor :/
05:40 <GodTodd> nope..just on it
05:40 <GodTodd> :P
05:41 <@WillyBrandt> >.<
05:43 <Durka> lol
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I could go for a wild game of freeciv
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> starting wth like 12 settlers, 12 workers, 100 techs, etc
05:45 <Durka> #feeciv --wild
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> lots of gold
05:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: 12 of each isn't possible
05:47 <@WillyBrandt> what's the max?
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> max of what?
05:47 <luke-jr> dunno
05:47 <luke-jr> it's a max overall
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> max number of units you can start with is determined by the size of the string :/
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't object to only starting with settlers, no workers.  :)  With enough gold and starting techs, we can build workers right away
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking 3-4 humans, who's interested?
05:49 <@WillyBrandt> me
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> The idea is to run a quick game, knowing full well cities don't grow any faster if you start with a bunch of shit
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> then another 3-4 ais on a moderate to small sized map
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you interested?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd has wintermester and while welcome, probably shouldn't play :)
05:50 <luke-jr> WillyBrandt: die
05:50 <@WillyBrandt> like that?
05:50 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you're starting way too late
05:50 <@WillyBrandt> next time you bring a settler on my land it's a full-scale invasion
05:50 <@WillyBrandt> beotch!
05:50 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: depends on how quick 'quick' is ;)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm only interestedin playing this game for 4-6 hours.  After that, if we save it off I can't promise to restore it
05:51 <Durka> lol
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> so, if it's not possible to finish a game in that time period, it might be a waste to start it :)
05:51 <GodTodd> hmmm...4-6 i don't know about
05:51 <GodTodd> 2-3 i could maybe do
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think a multiplayer game can be finished in 2-3 hours
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> you could play for awhile and then /away yourself
05:52 <GodTodd> true
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> we're not chickenshit over ais anymore, so there's no need to commit yourself for a whole game anymore :)
05:52 <GodTodd> haha
05:52 <@WillyBrandt> Lucifer_arma, sure it could
05:52 <@WillyBrandt> if you don't take forever betweenturns
05:52 <@WillyBrandt> :p
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not usually a problem there :)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> but we'll have a turn limit
05:53 <@WillyBrandt> we usually take about 10 minutes a turn
05:53 <@WillyBrandt> average
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> maybe set it to like 1-2 minutes for awhile, then stretch it up to 5 minutes for most of the game
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's true.  We only *need* 10 minutes a turn quite a bit later in the game, we spend a lot of time waiting for someone to remember to press the button
05:54  * GodTodd looks at spidey.
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm interested in mastering dynamic turn timeout to deal with that
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> and if someone needs more time, they can ask for it and we should accomodate it for the turn, I think
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> y'all just remember, taking a long turn is inviting someone to plan an invasion into your civ :)
05:55 <@WillyBrandt> only noobs take a long time to plan a invasion
05:56 <GodTodd> yeah...seasoned pros just forget to click a button
05:56 <GodTodd> :P
05:56 <@WillyBrandt> indeed :/
05:56 <@WillyBrandt> but i've enabled that "end turn when done moving" option
05:56 <GodTodd> that never works for me
05:57 <@WillyBrandt> only works if you "have" units to move
05:57 <@WillyBrandt> that's its purpose
05:57 <GodTodd> ummm duh?
05:57 <Vanhayes> been using that option since I started
05:57 <@WillyBrandt> if all your units are forted or something
05:57 <@WillyBrandt> obviously it's not gonna work
05:57 <GodTodd> i move units and it doesn't end the turn
05:57 <Vanhayes> Id be up for a game if you can get 2-3 other people
05:57 <GodTodd> that means it don't work for me :P
05:57 <@WillyBrandt> we have 2-3 other people :p
05:58 <Vanhayes> I guess im up for a game
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com port 5555
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> if it doesn't work, I need to fix port forwarding again :)
05:58 <@WillyBrandt> luke-jr, you gonna play?
05:58 <luke-jr> ...
05:58 <luke-jr> not another game
05:58 <Vanhayes> im a little rusty tho, havent played in a few months
05:58 <luke-jr> maybe Fri
05:58 <@WillyBrandt> fri?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> me too, mostly :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's like riding a fat chick.  Once you learn how, you never forget
05:59 <@WillyBrandt> ...............
05:59 <@WillyBrandt> you're sick,dude
05:59 <@WillyBrandt> sick
05:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you saying your wife is fat?
05:59 <@WillyBrandt> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
06:00 <@WillyBrandt> luke finally comes up with a decent insult
06:00 <GodTodd> luke-jr: no, he's saying yours is
06:00 <Vanhayes> no, he is saying he has rode a fat chick, and could do it again pretty easily
06:01 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you must really think that's funny, you keep repeating it in one form or another
06:01 <GodTodd> exactly
06:01 <GodTodd> luke-jr: problem with it?
06:01 <Vanhayes> good jokes never get old
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> so is it good I'm still ignoring luke?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> everybody who's playing better hurry and join :)
06:03 <luke-jr> any suggestion on getting gold? :)
06:03 <Vanhayes> ?
06:03 <GodTodd> rtfm?
06:03 <luke-jr> I need gold
06:04 <GodTodd> so?
06:04 <luke-jr> so any ideas on how to get it?
06:04 <Vanhayes> mine
06:04 <luke-jr> I need it _now_ :p
06:04 <GodTodd> rtfm?
06:05 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: are you playing?
06:05 <luke-jr> yes
06:05 <luke-jr> turn 104
06:05 <Vanhayes> hurry
06:06 <Vanhayes> uh, are you playing this game I mean
06:06 <luke-jr> I'm playing *this* game :p
06:06 <Vanhayes> so thats a no
06:07 <@WillyBrandt> then click turn done, noob
06:07 <luke-jr> not done
06:08 <luke-jr> need gold :p
06:08  * Durka pokes van (Hi there!)
06:08 <Vanhayes> hey Durka 
06:09 <Durka> eh?
06:09 <Durka> lol
06:09 <GodTodd> bah...won't let me hit ok :/
06:09 <Vanhayes> what nation?
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, someone might have picked it already
06:09 <GodTodd> that's what it was
06:09 <GodTodd> heh
06:14 <luke-jr> btw, spidey is a cheater
06:17 <luke-jr> WillyBrandt: turn?
06:19 <GodTodd> thought he's a cheater...
06:21 <luke-jr> GodTodd: yeah, doesn't mean I can't beat him
06:22 <GodTodd> sure it does
06:33 <Durka> lol
06:43 <@WillyBrandt> !!!!!!!?
06:43 <@WillyBrandt> i don't cheat
06:43 <@WillyBrandt> >:|
06:43 <@WillyBrandt> luke does
06:43 <@WillyBrandt> he had a trieme on land
06:50 <Vanhayes> probly in a tiny lake
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07:25 <Durka> #luke
07:25 <Van-hayes> #ping
07:25 <Durka> armabot: pong
07:25 <Durka> #roulette
07:26 <Durka> armabot: Durka: "click"
07:26 <GodTodd> #ping
07:27 <GodTodd> heh
07:27 <Durka> armabot: pong
07:27 -!- Durka is now known as Durka-bot
07:27 -!- Durka-bot is now known as Durka-
07:27 <@WillyBrandt> then
07:27 <@WillyBrandt> if you're a bot
07:27 <@WillyBrandt> you have a #die comand that shuts you down
07:27 <@WillyBrandt> so
07:28 <@WillyBrandt> #die
07:28 -!- Durka- is now known as Durka-bot
07:28  * Durka-bot does not recognize the #die command.
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07:58  * Genki pokes Durka
07:59 <Durka> Genk: Durka is not here.
07:59 <Durka> o wait ya i am
07:59 <Genki> lol
07:59 <Durka> lol
07:59 <Genki> hey Durka
07:59 <Durka> whastup
07:59 <Genki> not much, just waiting for you to hack into my computer lol
08:00  * Genki is addicted to tron
08:00 <Genki> :-D
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08:07 <Genki> supa mista magic mspaint man?
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08:16 <Durka> lol
08:16 <Genki> ?
08:16 <Genki> what?
08:16 <Durka> im thinking of what to add to my site
08:17 <Genki> lmao!
08:17 <Durka> Genki: not much, just waiting for you to hack into my computer lol
08:17 <Genki> :-D
08:17 <Durka> ur in the top 25 now btw
08:17 <Genki> top 25?
08:17 <Genki> of what?
08:17 <Genki> oh ladder?
08:17 <Durka> idk how but i had like 10 posts one day, but it said i had 500
08:17 <Genki> haha
08:18 <Durka> no irc stats
08:18 <Genki> oh
08:18 <Genki> sweet!
08:18 <Durka> lol X)
08:18 <Genki> finally! lol
08:18 <Genki> aww I'm off again lol
08:18  * Durka is in Team Sumo
08:18 <Genki> anywho you didn't even TRY and upgrade so you could hack into my computer? lol
08:19  * Genki wants to be in Team Sumo
08:19 <Genki> but  Ducky is being a wuss and is whining like a baby about lag lol
08:20 <Durka> ya actually i did
08:20 <Genki> but what happened?
08:20 <Genki> something bad O.O
08:24  * Genki pokes Durka
08:24 <Durka> long error message
08:24 <Genki> awwww
08:24 <Genki> thanks for trying though ^_^
08:24 <Durka> :)
08:25 <GodTodd> get a room :P
08:25 <Genki> ah!
08:25 <Genki> oh
08:25 <Genki> it's only Mr Tood Sir Man
08:25 <Genki> * even
08:25 <Genki> Todd
08:25 <GodTodd> only?
08:25 <Genki> fathead
08:25 <GodTodd> only?!
08:25 <Genki> oh
08:25 <Genki> I meant
08:26 <Genki> OMG IT'S THE Mr Todd Sir Man!
08:26 <Genki> better?
08:26 <GodTodd> better
08:26 <Genki> mornin'
08:26 <GodTodd> a little more genuflection next time tho :P
08:26 <GodTodd> it ain't mornin' til i goes to bed 
08:26 <GodTodd> heh
08:26 <Genki> lol
08:26 <Genki> genufle what?
08:27  * Genki is too lazy to look it up
08:27 <GodTodd> #dict genuflection
08:27 <GodTodd> bah
08:27 <Genki> lol
08:27 <GodTodd> bots dead
08:27 <GodTodd> i forgot
08:27 <Genki> why?
08:27 <Genki> is the bot dead?
08:27 <GodTodd> dunno...joe broke her earlier
08:27 <Genki> haha
08:28  * Genki pokes Durka
08:28 <Durka> ya
08:28 <Genki> I think that might be my random quote if I ever make top 25
08:28 <Durka> armabot is dead
08:28 <Genki> oh
08:28 <Genki> check out this banner lol
08:28 <Genki> http://www.geocities.com/freakful1/banner1.swf
08:28  * GodTodd sends dorka and genki to the poking room.
08:28 <Genki> lmao
08:28 <GodTodd> er durka*
08:28 <Genki> Dorka
08:28 <Genki> yeah right
08:28 <Genki> you meant dorka
08:29 <Genki> please don't hurt me Durka)
08:29 <GodTodd> freudian slip ;)
08:29 <Durka> more like wrtl's everything is down
08:29 <Durka> wrtl is down
08:29  * Genki pokes THE Mr Todd Sir Man
08:29 <Genki> wrtl is down?
08:29 <Genki> shame, he's nice
08:30  * Genki pokes Durka
08:30 <Genki> did you see the banner?
08:30 <Durka> what
08:31 <Durka> no i didnt see the banner but somehow it got up on ur site
08:31 <Genki> did you see the banner? - http://www.geocities.com/freakful1/banner1.swf
08:31 <Genki> lol
08:31 <Genki> I meant this one poo face
08:31  * Genki pokes Todd
08:31 <Genki> you alive?
08:31 <GodTodd> nope
08:32 <Genki> oh ok
08:32 <Genki> R.I.P.
08:32 <GodTodd> sure sure
08:33 <Genki> 1976-2007, Loving father, mother, son and daughter, you will be missed
08:33 <Durka> Todd: how did you know my name?
08:33 <Durka> the IRC details?
08:33 <GodTodd> n=Justin is a good hint ;)
08:33 <Durka> lol
08:33 <Genki> what Durka has a name?
08:33 <Genki> other then Durka?
08:33 <GodTodd> yep
08:33 <GodTodd> dorka
08:33 <Genki> no!
08:33 <Genki> lol
08:34 <Durka> lmao
08:34 <Genki> Hey Todd wanna know something funny?
08:34 <Genki> Durka said he'd quit tron if I won this sumo match, guess who won :-D
08:34 <Genki> ok maybe that's only amusing to me
08:34 <GodTodd> not durka?
08:34 <GodTodd> :)
08:35 <Durka> i didnt say if
08:35 <Genki> then what did you say all mighty one?
08:35 <Genki> "I quit when Genki wins?"
08:35 <Durka> no
08:36 <Durka> u won and i said
08:36 <Durka> omg she won
08:36 <Durka> i quit tron
08:36 <Genki> Ilol
08:36 <Genki> yeah but a few rounds before that you said if she wins I quit
08:36 <Genki> but anywho! I only won once to his trillion billion million wins
08:36 <Genki> :-D
08:37 <Genki> omg!
08:37 <Genki> Durka you have to see this awesome shoe
08:37 <Genki> http://www.prylkoll.se/images/stories/maj06/tron_shoe.jpg
08:39 <Durka> lmao
08:39 <Genki> I so am getting me and Loops a pair
08:39 <Genki> Want a pair Durka?
08:40 <Durka> fujck no lol
08:40 <Genki> lol
08:41 <Genki> expensive though :-D
08:41 <Genki> http://www.adidas-shop.co.uk/rf-adidas/navigation/product.do?Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&SNtt=tron&groupId=338175553&Nu=this_product&SNtk=littlewoods_search&Np=1&SN=105+85&Ntt=338175553&D=338175553&Ntk=group_search&Dx=mode%2Bmatchall&thisprod=338175553&N=105+85&Nty=1&Mis_item_id=15&Mis_item_loc_id=1&product=338175553
08:43  * Genki pokes Todd
08:43  * GodTodd likes it.
08:43 <GodTodd> heh
08:43 <Genki> O.O
08:43 <Genki> lol
08:43 <Genki> umm
08:43  * Genki washes hands
08:44 <GodTodd> ummm...just *where* did you poke me, young lady?
08:44  * Genki washes her hands some more, and more and more
08:44 <GodTodd> o_0
08:44 <Genki> in the eye hopefully
08:44 <Genki> :-D
08:44 <Genki> Todd why don't you play tron?
08:45 <GodTodd> cuz i suck?
08:45 <Genki> *no comment*
08:45 <Genki> so?
08:45 <Genki> you should still play ^_^
08:45 <Genki> it would make me feel better
08:45 <Genki> that I could pwn somebody lol
08:46 <GodTodd> :P
08:46 <Genki> hey who knows you might have beginners luck!
08:47  * Genki is gonna play pac-man if you need her
08:47 <Durka> play team sumo
08:49 <Genki> awww!
08:51 <Durka> now!
08:54 <Genki> I wanna play...
08:55  * Genki pokes Durka
08:55 <Genki> I hope you die a lot
08:56 <Durka> im in ther server
08:56 <Genki> I wanna play *sniffs*
08:56  * Genki is so addicted
09:00 <Durka> why cant u?
09:00 <Genki> must we go over this again?
09:00 <Genki> even though my home computer is back it's in my mom's room
09:01 <Durka> o lol
09:02 <Genki> *sigh* oh well... In the last days of Winter break I shall wallow in my own self pity
09:02 <Genki> lol
09:02 <Genki> wait when is the sumo tourney and when's the last day for sign ups?
09:03 <Durka> 2 weeks after ladle
09:03 <Durka> http://teamsumo.notlong.com
09:08 <Genki> it's not loading...
09:10 <Durka> cuz of wrtls site
09:11 <Durka> Warning: file_get_contents(http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/servertest.php): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! in /home/www/durka.freehostia.com/cache/tpl_fisubice.index_body_plus.php on line 68
09:12 <Genki> yeah well it showed up eventually
09:12 <Genki> when's the last day for sign ups?
09:12 <Genki> whenever the slots are full? lol
09:17 <GodTodd> when the slots are full the fun begins
09:19  * Genki has writer's block
09:19 <Genki> Todd you write, do you get writers block often?
09:20 <GodTodd> decently frequently, yeah
09:20 <Genki> what do you do to get... unblocked
09:21 <GodTodd> stream of consciousness usually
09:22 <Genki> well I got about... 6 different stories all being written at once, and I have no idea how I started 2 of them
09:22 <GodTodd> yeah...i know that feeling
09:22 <GodTodd> i'm 1/3 of the way through two novels currently
09:22 <GodTodd> heh
09:22 <Genki> wow
09:23 <Genki> me I just write, when I need to write, but I hate it when I can't finish something
09:23 <GodTodd> me too
09:23 <Genki> what are your novels about?
09:23 <GodTodd> they're contemporary suspense
09:23 <GodTodd> kinda in the dean koontz vein
09:24 <Genki> ooooooooooooooo
09:24 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:24 <GodTodd> it's broken
09:24 <GodTodd> :P
09:24 <Genki> lol
09:24 <GodTodd> joe broke it
09:24 <Genki> mornin' wrtl
09:24  * GodTodd tells on joe.
09:25 <Genki> tattle tale tattle tale
09:25 <GodTodd> yep
09:25  * GodTodd really should spend one day next week querying agents again :/
09:26  * Genki would care if she knew what that meant
09:26 <GodTodd> literary agents....the people that have a shot at getting a writer a book deal :P
09:26 <Genki> ah those agents
09:26 <Genki> you mean you're writing to get it published? O.O
09:27 <Genki> have you gotten something published before?
09:27 <GodTodd> hopefully eventually, yeah
09:27 <GodTodd> not for money
09:27 <Genki> but something I could maybe find in a library? or something...
09:27 <GodTodd> no :/
09:27 <GodTodd> not yet
09:27 <Genki> aww
09:28 <Genki> I've gotten poems published, but not books
09:28 <Genki> then again, poems are easier heh
09:28 <GodTodd> i spent all last summer finishing my first novel...hoping to get it published
09:28 <Genki> wow
09:28 <Genki> when it does get published send me a copy lol
09:29 <GodTodd> heh
09:30 <Genki> or you know... tell me the title and I'll go hunt it down...
09:30 <GodTodd> well...it's been 0 for 30 so far :/
09:31 <Genki> hmmm I know writers, not agents
09:31 <Genki> I know one agent... though... don't think one in Az would help though lol
09:31 <Genki> though... I like that word
09:31 <GodTodd> well...there's thousands of them...and i've only tried 30 so far
09:32 <Genki> though I mean
09:32 <Genki> any way I can help?
09:32 <Genki> I've got time to kill
09:32 <GodTodd> heh
09:33 <Genki> I take that as a no lol
09:33  * Genki pokes Durka
09:33 <GodTodd> if you want to sample some of my writing, you can check out www.toddmacy.com/writing.html
09:33 <Genki> heck yes I do!
09:33 <Durka> hi
09:33 <Genki> ah!
09:33 <Genki> I thought you were playing?
09:33 <GodTodd> couple of chapters of the three novels i currently have something done one
09:33 <GodTodd> on*
09:33 <GodTodd> each*
09:36 <Genki> this is why you have editers :P
09:36 <Genki> editors?
09:36 <Genki> yeah forget it
09:37 <Genki> Autism huh? I have a brother in law with Autism
09:37 <Genki> only met him once though, at the wedding
09:40 <GodTodd> yeah...my oldest has asperger's
09:42 <Genki> Really? I did not know that
09:42 <wrtlprnft> ok, back from breakfast
09:42 <Genki> ugh breakfast
09:42 <Genki> yeahI threw that up
09:43 <wrtlprnft> armabot is still there…
09:43 <Genki> #ping
09:43 <Genki> but broken
09:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:44 <Genki> Todd: Sorry for my lack of understanding about asperger's, I didn't even know about Autism until very recently
09:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i didn't know much about it until 3 years ago or so
09:45 <wrtlprnft> i can still ping the server…
09:48 <Genki> Is that when you found out your son was living with asperger's?
09:48 <GodTodd> yep
09:48 <GodTodd> kindergarten
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09:50 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:50 <Genki> pong
09:50 <armabot> pong
09:50 <Genki> oh wait
09:50 <Genki> lol
09:50 <Durka> wrtl!
09:50 <Van-hayes> #hello
09:50 <Durka> #roulette
09:50 <wrtlprnft> This data was last updated 24632 seconds ago.
09:50 <armabot> Durka: *click*
09:50 <armabot> Hello Van-hayes :) Random Fortune: "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night || hacking (and/or conversations with God)." || (By Matt Welsh)
09:50 <wrtlprnft> haha
09:50 <Durka> w00t!
09:51 <Durka> wrtl: what happened to ur site
09:51 <Genki> haha everyone is alive now
09:51 <Durka> it slowed my site down so much :)
09:51 <wrtlprnft> Durka: it should all work again
09:52 <wrtlprnft> dunno exactly what happened
09:52 <wrtlprnft> maybe running the interpreters for python, php, and ruby at the same time isn't good for it
09:52 <Durka> :p
09:52 <Durka> lol
09:53 <wrtlprnft>  10:00:38 up 6 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.10, 0.41, 0.23
09:53 <wrtlprnft> nooo :s
09:53 <wrtlprnft> it was at some 50 days
09:53 <Genki> #lastseen Durka
09:53 <armabot> Genki: Ihadurka has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 2 days 5 hours 48 minutes ago.
09:53 <wrtlprnft> this won't have any date for the last few hours
09:54 <wrtlprnft> *data
09:54 <Genki> aww poo :-D
09:54 <Durka> lol
09:54 <Genki> I can't stalk Durka now
09:54 <Durka> #lastseen durka_
09:54 <Genki> that just ruins my morning
09:55 <Genki> other then the fact that I might get carpal tunnel
09:55 <armabot> Durka: timed out
09:55 <Durka> lol
09:56 <Durka> genki: wanna see what i've got so far
09:56 <Durka> not at all done though
09:56 <Genki> sure
09:57 <Durka> lemme upload it
09:57 <Genki> and I really need to download an IRC thing so I can actually PM someone
09:57 <Genki> other then Tank
09:57 <Genki> although Tank is awesome
09:57 <wrtlprnft> you can msg me as well
09:57 <wrtlprnft> :P
09:57 <Genki> lol
09:58 <wrtlprnft> Genki: umm, you don't actually need an irc client for that, though
09:58 <wrtlprnft> though only with a client you can autologin
09:58 <Genki> oh
09:58 <Genki> well then why can't I pm Durka?
09:58 <wrtlprnft> try /msg nickserv register <somesectetpassword>
09:58 <Genki> lol
09:59 <Genki> okies!
09:59 <Durka> wrl PM me
09:59 <Durka> i dont think it works
09:59 <Genki> hmm secret password...
09:59 <Genki> ...
09:59 <Durka> and then loook at this
09:59 <Durka> http://www.prylkoll.se/images/stories/maj06/tron_shoe.jpg
09:59 <Genki> any ideas? lol
09:59 <wrtlprnft> duh
09:59 <wrtlprnft> you can't register Genki 
09:59 <Genki> lmao Durka
09:59 <wrtlprnft> it already belongs to someone
09:59 <Genki> figures
10:00 <Genki> lemme try this name then...
10:00 <Durka> woah
10:00 <Durka> lol look at the irc stats
10:00 <Durka> #ircstats
10:00 <armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
10:00 <Durka> 1	Lucifer_arma	58076		"can irc when they're asleep"
10:00 <Durka> 2	wrtlprnft	50875		"Uh, why do we link ftgl statically by default?"
10:00 <Durka> luci has 58076
10:00 <Durka> u have 50875
10:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah…
10:00 <Durka> if u just had 1 more line
10:00 <Genki> wait I type /msg nickserv register <secretpassword>?
10:00 <Durka> that wouldve been funny
10:00 <Durka> genki type this
10:00 <wrtlprnft> always need to talk a lot of crap to be sure to stay ahead of spidey
10:01 <Genki> lol
10:01 <wrtlprnft> Genki: you can't register that nick, i'm afraid
10:01 <Genki> yeah I know
10:01 <Genki> I'm registering Stempo lol
10:01 <Durka> type this: /msg NickServ REGISTER passwordgoeshere
10:01 <Genki> well if that's available
10:01 <Genki> do I have to change my nick now?
10:01 <Durka> #time --pst
10:01 <armabot> Durka: --pst
10:01 <wrtlprnft> 10:01 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [stempo] is not registered
10:01 <Durka> ...
10:01 <Durka> :(
10:02 <Genki> sweet
10:02 <Durka> #time pst
10:02 <armabot> Durka: pst
10:02 <Durka> #time
10:02 <armabot> Durka: 10:09 AM, January 04, 2007
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #time s
10:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: s
10:02 -!- Genki is now known as Stempo
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #time %s
10:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1167901792
10:02 <wrtlprnft> yay
10:02 <Durka> #time in pst
10:02 <armabot> Durka: Error: 'pst' is not a valid floating point number.
10:02 <Durka> #time %h
10:02 <armabot> Durka: Jan
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #time in -6
10:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: in
10:02 <Durka> #time %t
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #time %s -6
10:02 <armabot> Durka: 	
10:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: -6
10:02 <Stempo> you sure I type: /msg NickServ Register password
10:03 <Stempo> lol
10:03 <wrtlprnft> #time %d 10020202
10:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 27
10:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:03 <Durka> lol
10:03 <Durka> type /msg NickServ REGISTER password
10:03 <wrtlprnft> then everytime you join use /msg nickserv identify <password>
10:03 <wrtlprnft> Durka: case doesn't matter
10:03 <wrtlprnft> except for the password itself
10:04 <Durka> type /mSg NiCkSeRv ReGiStEr PaSsWoRd
10:04 <Durka> :p
10:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:04 <wrtlprnft> that'll give you the best results
10:04 <wrtlprnft> 10:04 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-            Nickname: Stempo << ONLINE >>
10:04 <wrtlprnft> 10:04 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-          Registered: 42 seconds ago
10:04 <Durka> type /m§g ñï¢k§êrv rêgï§têr þ姧wörÐ
10:05 <wrtlprnft> that won't work
10:05 <Durka> lets try
10:05 <Durka> ur right :(
10:05 <Durka> u party pooper =/
10:05 <wrtlprnft> no such nick
10:05 <Van-hayes> #night
10:05 <armabot> Good night Van-hayes!
10:05 <wrtlprnft> cya
10:05 <Stempo> night
10:05 <Van-hayes> well
10:06 <Van-hayes> #morning
10:06 <armabot> Good Morning Van-hayes Random Fortune: Dismissed. That's a Star Fleet expression for, "Get out." || -- Capt. Kathryn Janeway, Star Trek: Voyager, "The Cloud"
10:06 <Van-hayes> cya
10:06 -!- Van-hayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034199104.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["" 'Tis the season to be jolly, falalalalalalalala.""]
10:06 <Stempo> so I'm logged in now?
10:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:06 <Stempo> Sweet!
10:06  * Stempo does hapy logged in and now can pm dance
10:06 <Stempo> happy* even
10:07 <wrtlprnft> try /msg nickserv info wrtlprnft 
10:07 <Stempo> me?
10:07 <wrtlprnft> much more information about me than you :P
10:07 <wrtlprnft> sure
10:08 <Stempo> lol
10:08 <Stempo> I dunno how to add info and frankly I hope I never do lol
10:08 <wrtlprnft> no, sec
10:08 <wrtlprnft> you don't actually see the info i see
10:09 <Stempo> aww
10:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Stempo] by ChanServ
10:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Stempo] by ChanServ
10:09 <Durka> ok here genki
10:09 <Stempo> what?
10:10 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Stempo] by ChanServ
10:10 <wrtlprnft> oops, that's what i wanted
10:10 <+Stempo> what?
10:10 <+Stempo> lol
10:10  * Stempo is totally lost
10:10 <Durka> ok genki here's the preview
10:10 <+Stempo> of WHAT?
10:10 <Durka> i havent put it into the portal
10:11 <Durka> not in tables yet
10:11 <Durka> not done with acknowledging iceman
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> that was fun
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> server crashed, GodTodd (hi there!) 
10:11 <+Stempo> ah!
10:11 <Durka> very rough preview
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> looking to make sure there's a savegame
10:11 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/preview-sh.html
10:11  * Stempo hides behind Durka
10:11 <Durka> do u see my responses Genki?
10:12 <+Stempo> yep
10:12 <Durka> ok good
10:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: so what doesn't work about the cockpit
10:12 <guru3> AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
10:12 <wrtlprnft> hi guru3
10:12 <Durka> hi tank
10:12 <guru3> lo all
10:12 <+Stempo> Tank!
10:12 <Durka> #roulette
10:12 <armabot> Durka: *click*
10:13 <+Stempo> Somebody tell me WHY I have a yellow plus sign next to my name
10:13 <wrtlprnft> haha
10:13 <guru3> you've got voice
10:13 <+Stempo> voice?
10:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:13 <wrtlprnft> so you can cry
10:13  * Stempo is totally confused
10:13 <+Stempo> haha
10:14 <wrtlprnft> you're officially allowed to write in caps
10:14 <guru3> and i can't believe
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we lost some shit
10:14 <+Stempo> umm... I rather not, caps are scary
10:14 <guru3> that people are actually doing the spaceships
10:14 <guru3> in the one thread
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> why can't you believe that?
10:14 <guru3> don't know really
10:14 <guru3> i'm just terribly suprised
10:15 <guru3> time to fire up the gimp tho i guess
10:15 <Durka> remember that dude
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, if the spaceships hadn't started, I was bout to ask you to lock it anyway.  Luke made his no-facts post...
10:15 <Durka> LUCI_EATS_PEOPLE
10:15 <Durka> I WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS!
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's me, you know
10:15 <Durka> lmao
10:15 <+Stempo> >.<
10:16 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
10:16 -!- Durka is now known as DURKA_EATS_SPIDE
10:16 <LuciEatsPeople> I LOVE TO TYPE WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
10:16 <DURKA_EATS_SPIDE> AHHHHH
10:16 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
10:16 <+Stempo> o.o
10:16 <wrtlprnft> why is everyone posting two images?
10:16  * Stempo hides behind tank
10:16 -!- DURKA_EATS_SPIDE is now known as DurkaEatsLukeJrs
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, we're telling a story now
10:16 <DurkaEatsLukeJrs> AHHHH LUKE!
10:16 <DurkaEatsLukeJrs> I WANT UR BLOOD
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> anybody care if Durka were to accidentally be kicked?
10:17 <guru3> no
10:17 <DurkaEatsLukeJrs> lwl
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> when Durka's here, I almost miss Cristi
10:18 <guru3> lol
10:18 <guru3> OUCH
10:19 <guru3> and ive posted me in space
10:19 <guru3> or whatever it was
10:19 -!- DurkaEatsLukeJrs is now known as DurkaEATSarmabot
10:19 <wrtlprnft> why are you looking back?
10:20 <guru3> why not
10:20 <DurkaEATSarmabot> CAPITAL LETTERS!
10:20 <DurkaEATSarmabot> YUMMY!!!!!
10:20 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
10:20 -!- DurkaEATSarmabot was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [SPLAP]
10:20 <@guru3> whoops
10:20 <@guru3> meant slap
10:21 <wrtlprnft> lpl
10:21 <wrtlprnft> *lol
10:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
10:22 -!- DurkaEATSarmabot [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
10:22 <DurkaEATSarmabot> AHHHHH
10:23 <DurkaEATSarmabot> #ROULETTE
10:23 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
10:23  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
10:23 <DurkaEATSarmabot> #NIGHT
10:23 <armabot> Good night DurkaEATSarmabot!
10:23 -!- DurkaEATSarmabot [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
10:27  * Stempo pokes wrtl
10:30 <DrJoeTron> oh man
10:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v Stempo] by ChanServ
10:31 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126821#126821
10:31 <wrtlprnft> :D
10:33 <DrJoeTron> this is the best thread ever!
10:35 <DrJoeTron> time to post a fallow up
10:36 <DrJoeTron> had to stop half way on my adventure
10:36 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2261532&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
10:36 <DrJoeTron> it's been epic
10:37 <Stempo> hey supa mista magic mspaint man
10:37 <wrtlprnft> eek!
10:37 <wrtlprnft> comic sans ms!
10:38 <Stempo> what?
10:38 <Stempo> I like it!
10:38 <wrtlprnft> overused
10:38 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft its like that for a reason
10:38 <wrtlprnft> and used for the wrong kinds of things
10:38 <Stempo> it makes me giggle ^_^
10:38 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft welcome to BYOB! :D
10:44 <DrJoeTron> best text adventure ever
10:48  * Stempo yawns
10:48 <Stempo> night all
10:48 <DrJoeTron> ta
10:49 <Stempo> well... morning for some
10:49 <Stempo> 2:50am here
10:49 <Stempo> eek
10:49 -!- Stempo [n=44e46ffa@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
10:50 <DrJoeTron> btw
10:50 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126831#126831
10:50 <DrJoeTron> the adventure here begins
10:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:53 <DrJoeTron> I'm off to bed
10:53 <DrJoeTron>  ta ta
10:53 <wrtlprnft> cya
11:15 <wrtlprnft> and yet another image by me x_X
11:17 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] - 30 * 4 * 24* 3600
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> your server down again?
11:30 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
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11:45 <wrtlprnft> errm
11:45 <wrtlprnft> weird stuff is happening
11:45 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] - 30 * 4 * 24* 3600
11:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1,167,907,972 - (30 * 4 * 24 * 3,600) = 1,157,539,972
11:46 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] - (4 months in seconds) / 1 second
11:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:46 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] seconds - (4 months in seconds)
11:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:46 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] seconds - 4 months in seconds
11:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1,167,908,037 seconds) - (4 months) = 1.15738906 * 10^(9) seconds
11:46 <wrtlprnft> gah!
11:47 <wrtlprnft> google is NOT usuable to deal with unix time
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to figure out?
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> #time %s
11:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1167908275
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> #help time
11:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used.
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> #time
11:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 11:58 AM, January 04, 2007
11:51 <wrtlprnft> the unix time 4 months ago
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> #math [time %s] - 30 * 4 * 24* 3600
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> #list math
11:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc [time %s] - 30 * 4 * 24* 3600
11:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1157540381
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> there you go
11:52 <wrtlprnft> which is what i did already :)
11:52 <wrtlprnft> with the first command
11:53 <wrtlprnft> i just wanted to see if i could just use google's converting abilities
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4 months in seconds
11:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4 months = 10,518,975.3 seconds
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 year - 4 months
11:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 year) - (4 months) = 243.494799 days
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> hey, that's neat
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 year - 4 months in weeks
11:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 year) - (4 months) = 34.7849713 weeks
11:54 <wrtlprnft> #echo [time %s] seconds - 4 months in seconds
11:54 <armabot> 1167908547 seconds - 4 months in seconds
11:54 <wrtlprnft> #g [time %s] seconds - 4 months in seconds
11:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1,167,908,553 seconds) - (4 months) = 1.15738958 * 10^(9) seconds
11:55 <wrtlprnft> darn scientific notation :P
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g [time %s] seconds - 4 months
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1,167,908,573 seconds) - (4 months) = 36.6762466 years
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> google needs to redefine the order of operations for the in operator
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 foot + 12 meters
11:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 foot) + (12 meters) = 12.3048 meters
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 12 feet + 12 meters
11:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (12 feet) + (12 meters) = 15.6576 meters
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 12 feet + 1 meter
11:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (12 feet) + (1 meter) = 4.6576 meters
11:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 metre + 1 foot
11:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1 meter) + (1 foot) = 1.3048 meters
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how google decides what unit to show the answer in
11:57 <wrtlprnft> metres win :)
11:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 inch + 1 foot
11:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1 inch) + (1 foot) = 33.02 centimeters
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha
11:57 <wrtlprnft> always metric units, apparently, by default
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> apparently google shows SI units
11:57  * wrtlprnft likes google :D
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6 feet
11:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 6 feet = 1.8288 meters
11:58 <wrtlprnft> haha! ha!
11:58 <wrtlprnft> #g 6 foot
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 meter
11:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 11 meters
11:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:58 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 metre
11:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 11 meters in feet
11:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 11 meters = 36.0892388 feet
11:59 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 metres in meters
11:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2 meters = 2 meters
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2 meters in meters
11:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2 meters = 2 meters
11:59 <wrtlprnft> oh, really
11:59 <wrtlprnft> #g feet in cm
11:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 centimeters = 0.032808399 feet
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> just wanted to see if it was doing it because of the spelling or because you asked it to
12:00 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:00 <wrtlprnft> look at the IRC stats
12:00 <wrtlprnft> i'm one line behind you :d
12:00  * wrtlprnft is still behind in actions and words, though.
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> you're 201 lines behind me
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> er, no, more
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 58076 - 50875
12:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 58,076 - 50,875 = 7,201
12:01 <wrtlprnft> grr
12:01 <wrtlprnft> darn you durka
12:01 <wrtlprnft> he made me not look well enough
12:01 <wrtlprnft> those numbers look so similar :)
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> they do
12:05  * Lucifer_arma thinks you'll eventually catch up to him
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> why is spidey opped?
12:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
12:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o WillyBrandt] by Lucifer_arma
12:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
12:06 <guru3> tjmx
12:06 <guru3> thnx
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> it was gratuitous, I want to deop more users so luke won't outrank me
12:07 <guru3> ><
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> how can spidey get kicked only 6 times and still be above Durka?
12:10 <guru3> well you can go ahead and kick some more if you want to even it out
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> #q
12:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #27: "thats like asking if vegetarians can eat animal crackers -- DrJoeTron" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:12 AM, October 26, 2006)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> #q
12:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #26: "<Lucifer_arma> I want fundamentalism just so I can wipe my ass with luke-jr_'s face" (added by spidey at 05:44 AM, October 25, 2006)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 42
12:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #42: "The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. - Ronald Reagen, in his address following the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:03 PM, January 02, 2007)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's not that one
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 41
12:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #41: "<spidey> hmm  <GodTodd> stfu spidey" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:32 AM, January 02, 2007)
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> "Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement."
12:29 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately you'd have to kick spidey as spidey
12:30 -!- spidey [n=55e926f0@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
12:30 <spidey> fuck!
12:30 <spidey> DARN!
12:30 <spidey> STUPID
12:30 <spidey> MOTHERFUCKIN STUPID CHANNEL!
12:30 <spidey> ARMAGETRON SUCKS BALLZ!
12:30 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:30 <wrtlprnft> not me
12:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
12:31 <wrtlprnft> #kick spidey possibly guru3 or Lucifer_arma 
12:31 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
12:31 <wrtlprnft> #kick spidey possibly guru3 or Lucifer_arma 
12:31 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [possibly guru3 or Lucifer_arma]
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?  I want durka to be kicked more than spidey
12:35 <wrtlprnft> why
12:35 <wrtlprnft> durka is a nice guy…
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16:06 <arctanx> woot I effectively have a server to admin
16:06 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: in fullscreen, the cockpit widgets are below the bottom of my screen
16:07 <luke-jr> WillyBrandt: you do cheat. You /observed me during a game
16:07 <luke-jr> that's like looking at someone's ships in Battleship
16:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: screenshot.
16:09 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshot_2.png
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> because being a server admin is the best aspiration anybody could have :)
16:09 <wrtlprnft> nice resolution
16:10 <luke-jr> heh
16:11 <luke-jr> well, the map anyway is cutoff
16:11 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: That's not the point, it means I can set up a publicly accessible server in australia which has interesting settings
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> custang will be soooo happy
16:12 <luke-jr> the curious thing is that the screenshot is wrong
16:12 <luke-jr> I didn't see any of the stuff on the bottom :p
16:12 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:13 <wrtlprnft> then your resolution is wrong
16:13 <luke-jr> nope
16:13 <luke-jr> that's what I use normally for desktop work
16:14 <wrtlprnft> it's still somewhat screwed up
16:14 <luke-jr> *32  2904 x 1150   ( 745mm x 295mm )  *60
16:15 <wrtlprnft> you've got a 3/4 metre screen?
16:15 <wrtlprnft> wow
16:15 <luke-jr> 2 monitors
16:16 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you play on one
16:16 <luke-jr> heh
16:16 <wrtlprnft> what do you want with a cycle split in the middle?
16:16 <luke-jr> one monitor is widescreen
16:16 <luke-jr> :p
16:17 <luke-jr> so the cycle is to the right of the split
16:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, i'm gonna have a widescreen laptop in a few weeks
16:17 <wrtlprnft> can the problem wait that long?
16:17 <luke-jr> Arma doesn't support fullscreen-on-one-monitor tho
16:17 <luke-jr> sure, I can handle windowed mode :p
16:17 <wrtlprnft> use kwin's options to force it if you like
16:18 <luke-jr> not aware of any
16:18 <wrtlprnft> right click on the title bar
16:18 <wrtlprnft> advanced→special window options
16:18 <luke-jr> Arma can handle window resizing?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> no
16:19 <wrtlprnft> but you can force it to the right resolution, i guess.
16:20  * luke-jr ponders
16:20 <luke-jr> it really should be possible to allow simple drag-resizing, shouldn't it?
16:20  * luke-jr hmm
16:20 <wrtlprnft> then implement it
16:20  * luke-jr needs to get to work
16:20 <luke-jr> :p
16:21 <wrtlprnft> pff
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16:32  * WillyBrandt yawns
16:32 <wrtlprnft> grep your chatlogs for your name :D
16:33 <WillyBrandt> i dunno where they are
16:33 <WillyBrandt> it won't lemme run screen as a normal user
16:33 <logspidey> sec
16:34  * wrtlprnft thinks WillyBrandt's system is messed up
16:34 <WillyBrandt> ?
16:34 <WillyBrandt> it's probably just permissions
16:35 <WillyBrandt> it's a raw debian install :p
16:35 <WillyBrandt> ok, i have to pretend to be working
16:35 <WillyBrandt> gotta test today, but my grandma woke me up early
16:35 <WillyBrandt> and i can't finish a book in a hour
16:35 <WillyBrandt> woke me up late*
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17:28 <Lucifer_arma> I hate campaigning with AIs
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> they also scoop my cities!
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> *always
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17:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how can i get an app to ignore the gtk-theme i am using?
17:44 <luke-jr|work> ...
17:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> helpful answers as usual
17:50 <wrtlprnft> reprogram it in QT. GTK sucks anyways
17:50 <wrtlprnft> i know, even more helpful :D
17:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes... indeed
17:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but still i think that gnome > kde
17:51 <wrtlprnft> pfft
17:52 <wrtlprnft> kde has a better browser, even though i don't use it
17:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what is also sure is that both kde and gnome suck on slow machines
17:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's why i got fluxbox on my tp240
17:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (if i use x at all)
17:54 <luke-jr|work> GNOME sucks
17:55 <wrtlprnft> that's one of the few things luke-jr and me agree on :)
17:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
17:55 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126911#126911
17:55 <wrtlprnft> poor DrJoeTron 
17:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> last time i used kde was like 2 years ago
17:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there anything new worth seeing?
18:09 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> let's take a look at it
18:10 <luke-jr|work> what ver was 2 yrs aog
18:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> whatever
18:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 3.5 is emerging
18:10 <luke-jr|work> I hope you're not installing 'kde'... :o
18:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's just like
18:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 24 packages
18:11 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:11 <luke-jr|work> 24 huge pkgs
18:11 <luke-jr|work> try kdebase-meta first :p
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18:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> have to go afk for a while anyway
18:12 <luke-jr|work> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126931#126931
18:12 <luke-jr|work> using 'kde' will make upgrades slower too
18:12 <luke-jr|work> not to mention giving you a ton of useless apps
18:13 <luke-jr|work> and taking x days'
18:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who cares
18:13 <luke-jr|work> [Xpert]DarkStar: draw yourself in space foo
18:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got a fast cpu
18:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... "fast"
18:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> amd64@2ghz
18:13 <luke-jr|work> lol
18:14 <luke-jr|work> still days
18:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey that thing is almost 2 years old
18:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i say hours...
18:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'll be afk for hours
18:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so
18:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cu
18:14 <luke-jr|work> days
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18:14 <epsy> #hello
18:15 <@armabot> Hello epsy :) Random Fortune: If the future navigation system [for interactive networked services on || the NII] looks like something from Microsoft, it will never work. || -- Chairman of Walt Disney Television & Telecommunications
18:15 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126941#126941 this is the best thread in boards history
18:15 <epsy> :(
18:15 <epsy> ?
18:16 <epsy> i'm still thinking of my dri problems
18:16 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:17 <epsy> do you think it's normal for a pc of 7 months to have only 32fps with arma :/
18:17 <epsy> meh
18:17 <luke-jr|work> epsy:  vidcard?
18:18 <epsy> i915
18:18 <luke-jr|work> hm
18:18 <luke-jr|work> glxgears
18:18 <epsy> ...
18:18 <luke-jr|work> any errors?
18:18 <epsy> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31134637&forum_id=6511
18:18 <epsy> :(
18:18 <epsy> no answers :(
18:19 <epsy> glxgears 
18:19 <epsy> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
18:19 <epsy> 6164 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1232.590 FPS
18:19 <epsy> 6793 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1358.564 FPS
18:20 <epsy> the thing that is really annoying is that it's better offscreen
18:20 <epsy> 12885 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2576.941 FPS
18:21 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:21 <luke-jr|work> no, really?
18:21 <luke-jr|work> offscreen it doesn't need to do anything
18:21 <guru3> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=126951#126951
18:21 <epsy> does someone know where i can get help about that??
18:21 <luke-jr|work> maybe you've got resolution and/or detail too high?
18:22 <guru3> using dri?
18:22 <epsy> of course
18:22 <guru3> glxinfo agrees with that statement?
18:22 <epsy> arma is at 1280x768 res
18:22 <epsy> ...
18:23 <guru3> anyway i'm off to bake cookies
18:23 <guru3> cu
18:23 <luke-jr|work> guru3: gimme
18:23 <luke-jr|work> epsy: try 640x480
18:23 <epsy> $ glxinfo 
18:23 <epsy> name of display: :0.0
18:23 <epsy> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
18:23 <epsy> display: :0  screen: 0
18:23 <epsy> direct rendering: Yes
18:23 <epsy> server glx vendor string: SGI
18:23 <epsy> server glx version string: 1.2
18:23 <epsy> server glx extensions:
18:23 <epsy>     GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, 
18:23 <epsy>     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method, 
18:23 <epsy>     GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe, 
18:23 <epsy>     GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
18:23 <luke-jr|work> wtf... SGI?
18:23 <epsy> client glx vendor string: SGI
18:24 <epsy> client glx version string: 1.4
18:24 <epsy> client glx extensions:
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_swap_control, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
18:24 <epsy>     GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
18:24 <epsy> GLX version: 1.2
18:24 <epsy> ..
18:24 <epsy> fullscreen?
18:24 <epsy> ??
18:24 <luke-jr|work> sure, 640x480 fullscreen :p
18:25 <epsy> sry i'm too busy now to launch arma now
18:26 <epsy> in a few minutes i will
18:27 <luke-jr|work> LIBGL_DEBUG=1 glxinfo
18:27 <luke-jr|work> paste that somewhere
18:27 <epsy> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
18:27 <epsy> libGL error: 
18:27 <epsy> Can't open configuration file /etc/drirc: No such file or directory.
18:27 <epsy> libGL error: 
18:27 <epsy> Can't open configuration file /home/epsy/.drirc: No such file or directory.
18:27 <epsy> lol
18:28 <luke-jr|work> not here...
18:28 <epsy> there is no other warnings or errors
18:29 <epsy> http://www.nevercorner.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=8819#p8819
18:29 <epsy> that's the most strange
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18:31 <luke-jr|work> maybe AGP isn't enabled?
18:31 <epsy> how i check?
18:32 <luke-jr|work> no clue
18:32 <luke-jr|work> dmesg perhaps
18:32 <luke-jr|work> dmesg|grep agpgart
18:33 <epsy> Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
18:33 <epsy> agpgart: Detected an Intel 915G Chipset.
18:33 <epsy> agpgart: Detected 7932K stolen memory.
18:33 <epsy> agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xc0000000
18:33 <WillyBrandt> luke-jr|work, wanna finish that game?
18:33 <luke-jr|work> <--
18:33 <WillyBrandt> <--
18:33 <luke-jr|work> work
18:33 <luke-jr|work> foo
18:34 <WillyBrandt> #luke
18:34 <@armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
18:47 <epsy> so
18:47 <epsy> at fullscreen at 640x480
18:48 <epsy> it gives me an fps up to 52
18:51  * epsy just found #dri
18:51 <luke-jr|work> heh
18:52 <epsy> lol
18:53 <epsy> no answer???
18:53 <epsy> like on the mls???
18:53 <epsy> lol
18:53  * epsy starts to think that there is only lost users on the ML and in #dri
18:56 <luke-jr|work> you didn't give them enough time
18:57 <epsy> well on the ML
18:57 <epsy> if you read the date of my message...
18:57 <epsy> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31134637&forum_id=6511
19:07 <epsy> ah something new on #dri
19:07 <epsy> ""* syllogism est parti (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))"
19:07 <epsy> lol
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19:22 <wrtlprnft> #e.fr?
19:22 <wrtlprnft> what's that? x_X
19:22 <WillyBrandt>  .
19:22 -!- WillyBrandt is now known as spidey
19:23 <wrtlprnft> oh, duh, enlightment
19:23 <spidey> lol
19:23  * wrtlprnft wonders why spidey was named willy brandt
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no, wait, i don't even want to know.
19:24 <spidey> because that was my civ guys name last night
19:24 <spidey> i forgot to rename it to "spidey" so the thingy choose a name for me
19:24 <spidey> dude
19:24 <wrtlprnft> so you were playing germany?
19:25 <spidey> i was op'd since last night, and i forgot to kick luke! :(
19:25 <spidey> yea, i always play as germany :p
19:25 <epsy> wrtlprnft, what are you spying me ? :P
19:25 <spidey> or roman
19:25 <wrtlprnft> 19:07 <epsy> ah something new on #dri
19:25 <epsy> wrtlprnft, #e.fr is the french irc channel for enlightenment
19:25 <wrtlprnft> i was checking if that was a channel you were on
19:25 <wrtlprnft> i know, checked its topic :)
19:26 <spidey> hm
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19:29 <epsy> wrtlprnft, do you know why I changed the topic ?
19:29 <epsy> misspelling xD
19:29 <spidey> #g 5 USD in AUD
19:30 <@armabot> spidey: 5 U.S. dollars = 6.29326621 Australian dollars
19:30 <wrtlprnft> someone changed the topic?
19:30 <epsy> i mean on #e.fr
19:30 <wrtlprnft> not between the two times i checked it :)
19:30 <wrtlprnft> 19:22 [FreeNode] -!- #e.fr 32 Time to rethink everything... -- http://fr.edevelop.org -- http://fr.enlightenment.org -- FORUM : http://fr.enlightenment.org/forums/
19:30 <wrtlprnft> 19:29 [FreeNode] -!- #e.fr 32 Time to rethink everything... -- http://fr.edevelop.org -- http://fr.enlightenment.org -- FORUM : http://fr.enlightenment.org/forums/
19:38 <epsy> wrtlprnft, k forgot that :P
19:38 <spidey> (12:31:50) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: i been getting like $30 a mounth for one gig of space
19:38 <spidey> WWWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
19:39 <spidey> who pays $30 for a gig of space................
19:41 <wrtlprnft> maybe he financed a memory stick?
19:41 <wrtlprnft> over 6 months?
19:41 <spidey> ?
19:41 <spidey> it's webspace
19:41 <wrtlprnft> he didn't say that
19:41 <spidey> that's because i didn't post the entire convo :p
19:41 <wrtlprnft> how am i supposed to know?
19:42 <spidey> ok fine
19:42 <spidey> prepare for spam
19:42 <spidey> (12:27:59) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: hey man sup how much you chargeing for your hosting and whats the bandwith
19:42 <spidey> (12:28:17) spidey: depends on what you want :p
19:42 <spidey> (12:28:29) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: 1 gig
19:42 <spidey> (12:28:41) spidey: 1gig of space?
19:42 <spidey> (12:28:51) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: yeah i know its a fucking lot
19:42 <spidey> (12:29:00) spidey: no, that's like
19:42 <spidey> (12:29:05) spidey: not alot :p
19:42 <spidey> (12:29:43) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: well hell every one i tallk to bug out about it and shit and are like thats going to cost the hell out of me and shit]
19:42 <spidey> (12:29:55) spidey: you're in aussie right?
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:04) spidey: lemme convert the price
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:19) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: naw man im in the us
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:26) spidey: ooooohhhhh
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:28) spidey: >.<
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:30) spidey: well
19:42 <spidey> (12:30:55) spidey: for $5 i can do 10gb 
19:42 <spidey> (12:31:21) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: shit dude thats fucking el cheapo 
19:42 <spidey> (12:31:50) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: i been getting like $30 a mounth for one gig of space
19:42 <spidey> happy now?
19:42 <spidey> >.<
19:43 <wrtlprnft> no
19:43 <wrtlprnft> spammer
19:43 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has joined #armagetron
19:43 <spidey> lmao
19:43 <spidey> you asked for it :p
19:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> i didn't ask for it
19:43 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> how am i supposed to know?  <-- that's a que to post the convo :p
19:43 <wrtlprnft> no
19:43 <spidey> ya
19:43 <wrtlprnft> no
19:44 <spidey> maybe
19:44 <wrtlprnft> no!
19:44 <spidey> possibly
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I'm kicking your ass!
19:45  * Lucifer_arma kicks spidey's ass
19:45  * Lucifer_arma kick
19:45  * Lucifer_arma kick
19:45 <spidey> ...
19:52 <spidey> hm
19:55 <epsy> what does arma need at start to run properly?
19:55 <spidey> ?
19:56 <epsy> what are the dependencies at start so i can create an init script for it
19:56 <epsy> because actually... :/
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> process dependencies?
19:57 <epsy> well, what should be started for arma to run?
19:57 <spidey> http://neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=36817
19:57 <spidey> i suggest
19:57 <spidey> if any of you dev a browser that becomes popular
19:57 <spidey> to add google search
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> nothing matters, net is useful
19:57 <spidey> mozilla has made $53million from it
19:57 <epsy> well it crashes immediately
19:58 <epsy> depend() {
19:58 <epsy>  need net.lo local xinetd
19:58 <epsy> }
19:58 <epsy> that's what i putt in it about dependencies
19:58 <wrtlprnft> maybe httpd if it's scheduled
19:58 <wrtlprnft> for resources
19:59 <wrtlprnft> ie use()
19:59 <wrtlprnft> err
19:59 <wrtlprnft> depend { use apache2 }
19:59 <wrtlprnft> *depend()
19:59 <epsy> lol i was thinking i already added apache
19:59 <wrtlprnft> but that's about it
19:59 <epsy> k will see if it works...
20:00 <epsy> tomorrow when i stat my pc
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> only, doesn't need apache if you're not running your own resource repository, and it's dumb to depend on it
20:01 <wrtlprnft> that's why i suggested to use the use command
20:01 <epsy> well, the first use of my repo is at his second round
20:01 <epsy> not at that early
20:01 <wrtlprnft> so it starts after apache2, but only if apache2 is scheduled to start
20:01 <spidey> #g 179 euros in usd
20:01 <@armabot> spidey: 179 Euros = 237.3898 U.S. dollars
20:02 <spidey> #g 179 euros in cad
20:02 <@armabot> spidey: 179 Euros = 276.392944 Canadian dollars
20:02 <spidey> #g 179 gbp in cad
20:02 <@armabot> spidey: 179 British pounds = 410.504586 Canadian dollars
20:02 <spidey> #g 179 gbp in usd
20:02 <@armabot> spidey: 179 British pounds = 352.5763 U.S. dollars
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20:21 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to see me fire off a nuclear bomber?
20:21  * Lucifer_arma wants to know if a nuclear bomber can survive the attack
20:21 <spidey> me ;D
20:27 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: are you still playing that game from last night, or a new one?
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> same game
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
20:27 <spidey> my AI sucked
20:27 <spidey> i see >.<
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> your ai completely sucked
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> all he did was fill his cities with MI
20:29 <spidey> well
20:29 <spidey> it was a /away
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nuclear bomber's built, what should I hit with it?  :)
20:29 <spidey> um
20:29 <spidey> essen
21:10 <spidey> #g 48kb/s / 5kb/s
21:10 <@armabot> spidey: (48 (kb / s)) / (5 (kb / s)) = 9.6
21:10 <spidey> #g 48kb/s / 3kb/s
21:10 <@armabot> spidey: (48 (kb / s)) / (3 (kb / s)) = 16
21:10 <spidey> hm
21:11 <spidey> so on the dsl line i'ma use for a server i can roughly host 16 people on dogfight style settings
21:11  * wrtlprnft doesn't want to play on a rough server
21:12 <spidey> heh
21:12 <spidey> 16 people in dogfights would be weird anyways
21:12 <spidey> i like small maps with about 8-10 people
21:19 <epsy> wrtlprnft, lol
21:19 <epsy> but you play on mine
21:43 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft, the tub is up, but off of my server again untill my friend can get his ass in gear.
21:43 -!- |Sticky| [n=a@80-41-73-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
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22:04 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd 
22:04 <DrJoeTron> I need your help
22:04 <GodTodd> with?
22:05 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=11861&start=60 you need to save me
22:05 <|Sticky|> #lastseen Rico
22:05 <@armabot> |Sticky|: ¦×¥Rico seems to be on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ right now.
22:09 <|Sticky|> ive had some more wacky tron based game ideas...
22:09 <|Sticky|> ultimate frisby
22:10 <|Sticky|> it would be great
22:10 <|Sticky|> toss a zone around
22:11 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: is tank trying to run you over or what?
22:13 <Compn> #armaservers
22:13 <@armabot> Compn: °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || Strawberry Fields (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (4 players) || G-Land (A Swamplords server) (3 players) || Chico's Brake (1 more message)
22:14 <Compn> damn oops is full ;\\\
22:16 <Compn> #serverinfo team sumo
22:16 <@armabot> Compn: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (12/12): Darned Socks, G5, Luzifer, madmax, mescalin, newbÎd, Tiger1050, |HTF|[Döner]²², ~HTF~Waldkobold, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦Ö¦Qico, ¦×¥ Sticky
22:18 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:18 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches developing this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low zero except plus 4 along the coast.; Friday - Increasing cloudiness. A few showers beginning in the morning. Amount 2 mm. Fog patches along the (1 more message)
22:19 <epsy> huh
22:19 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/armamaps/epsy/fortress/dworld-0.0.1.aamap.xml
22:20 <epsy> cant get theses axis working properly :/
22:21 <epsy> i come to the 4th
22:21 <epsy> and then when i turn right
22:21 <epsy> i make a 180 :/
22:25 <epsy> can someone help me?
22:25 <epsy> or it's simply not intended to work?
22:27 <epsy> you dont want i put odd axes, eh?
22:27 <epsy> lol
22:27 <|Sticky|> talking to yourself is the first sign of madness
22:27 <epsy> well i'm searching to talk to someone
22:27 <epsy> if you didn't saw
22:28 <|Sticky|> i did
22:28 <epsy> meh
22:28 <epsy> i define 6 axes
22:28 <epsy> but tell him there is 4
22:29 <epsy> search the error :)
22:30 <|Sticky|> hmm never made maps before
22:32 <|Sticky|> sure you can have 0???
22:34 <epsy> ?
22:34 <epsy> 0 of what?
22:35 <|Sticky|> the axis displacement value
22:35 <|Sticky|> forget that i think you can
22:35 <epsy> meh what'sq that?
22:35 <epsy> i didn't read about that
22:35 <epsy> but it works anyway
22:35 <epsy> *it seems
22:35 <epsy> lol
22:36 <epsy> damn :)
22:36 <|Sticky|> may need to normalise the values according to the wiki
22:36 <epsy> i just lost a member in my clan
22:36 <|Sticky|> who?
22:36 <epsy> when 'normalise' isn't set
22:36 <epsy> it is to true
22:36 <epsy> >who?
22:37 <epsy> him
22:37 <epsy> that's his nick
22:37 <|Sticky|> ahh
22:38 <|Sticky|> thought about using the angle length method...seems like it would be clearer
22:38 <epsy> well, now i will do xD
22:40 <epsy> now i have an annoying map
22:40 <epsy> it's done
22:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: :)
22:40 <epsy> the first one that has so odds angles
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v tub
22:40 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: The Lobster Tub(TEST) (75.57.86.152:4535) running 0.2.8.2.1 win dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “A combination of Shrunkland, In Limbo, and The Lobster Cage settings blended to make one classic server >-;;,ccc3.“, No online players.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> let's go populate it >-;;,ccc3!
22:40  * epsy goes to the tub
22:41 <epsy> meh
22:41 <epsy> server doesn't answer
22:42 <wrtlprnft> custom connect
22:55 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has joined #Armagetron
22:55 <epsy> #serverinfo tub
22:56 <@armabot> epsy: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (3/6): kk~epsy, Twinx, wrtlprnft |mbc|
23:22 <ghableska> #weather 59266
23:23 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:23 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "59266".
23:23 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 49.8°F (4:23 PM CST on January 04, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 48.2°F. Pressure: 28.55 in 966.7 hPa. 
23:28 <Compn> all to cafe!
23:28 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
23:28 <@armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): featherfcuk, Zop, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~7288555~
23:30 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
23:30 <@armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): featherfcuk, G5, Kamakazi, MaZuffeR, Super Duck!, Zop, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~7288555~, ¦×¥Rico
23:30 <wrtlprnft> epsy: that's how you play: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_505.png
23:30 <ghableska> heh
23:31 <epsy> :P
23:32 <epsy> no hud map?
23:33 <epsy> :(
23:33 <epsy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "=games-action/armagetronad-9999".
23:33 <epsy> k
23:33 <epsy> will do it manually :)
23:33 <epsy> :P
23:34 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034196220.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:34 <spidey> ..
23:34 <GodTodd> ...
23:35 <epsy>  ..
23:35 <ghableska> .
23:36 <spidey> ....................................................
23:36 <ghableska> you ruined the pattern
23:36 <epsy> yeah
23:36 <epsy> .
23:36 <epsy> ..
23:36 <spidey> so
23:36 <epsy> ...
23:36 <spidey> i started it
23:36 <epsy> argggg
23:36 <epsy> ><
23:36 <GodTodd> ... --- ...
23:37 <ghableska> #ping
23:37 <@armabot> pong
23:37 <spidey> #die
23:37 <epsy> spidey, /exec figlet hiiii
23:37 <spidey> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
23:37 <spidey> poon
23:38 <spidey> EXEC	The system cannot find the file specified.
23:38 -!- Self_Destructo [i=Self_Des@h18.171.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
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23:38 <spidey> EXEC	The system cannot find the file specified.
23:38 <Self_Destructo> you guys here?
23:38 <spidey> hm
23:38 <spidey> weird
23:38 <spidey> hi sd!
23:38 <Self_Destructo> hi spidey
23:38 <epsy> hi
23:38 <spidey> Self_Destructo, you still got a mic? :p
23:39 <Self_Destructo> my server is doing something wired and has been for a while
23:39 <Self_Destructo> yes
23:39 <Self_Destructo> wierd*
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> People were talking about the Server error that has been happening alot(has happened to me like 20 times in the past few days)....Well here is what it says
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> 1st message
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> Network Error-there was a netowrk error,the connection to the server had to be terminated
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> 2nd message(after you press enter)
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> Connection terminated-The server terminated our connection
23:39 <Self_Destructo> ~"XzL.FroZen says:
23:39 <Self_Destructo> Hope that helps you out, peace
23:39 <Self_Destructo> grr,
23:39 <Self_Destructo> forgot to take the stuff out
23:39 <Self_Destructo> sorry
23:40 <spidey> Self_Destructo, 	68.119.125.27   <-- new ts ip :p
23:40 <Self_Destructo> ok
23:40 <ghableska> :o
23:40 <Self_Destructo> can't talk atm
23:40 <spidey> k
23:45 <epsy> meh
23:45 <epsy> Error: SWIG version >= 1.3.29 is required.  You have 1.3.25.  You should look at http://www.swig.org
23:45 <epsy> :(
23:46 <epsy> should i compile lua support with swig?
23:46 <epsy> with normal branch no?
23:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
23:54 -!- |Sticky| [n=a@80-41-73-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
23:56 <epsy> Oo
23:57 <epsy> /usr/include/unistd.h:266: erreur: déclaration de « int eaccess(const char*, int) throw () » amène différentes exceptions
23:57 <epsy> /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i686-linux/missing.h:43: erreur: qu'une précédente déclaratio « int eaccess(const char*, int) »
23:57 <epsy> error while compilling lastet trunk

Log from 2007-01-05:
--- Day changed Fri Jan 05 2007
00:14  * epsy is trying to play on wrtlprnft's tronsector
00:22 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
00:35 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Salut!"]
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00:39 <epsy> well
00:39 <epsy> i'm gtg
00:39 <epsy> cya
00:39 <epsy> do i let the servers up?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> wb
00:40 <epsy> ty
00:40 <wrtlprnft> good luck with tronsector
00:40 <epsy> :P
00:40 <epsy> didn't had
00:40 <wrtlprnft> did you fix the error?
00:40 <epsy> was showing 2 fps but i'm sure i was under
00:40 <epsy> no
00:40 <wrtlprnft> i only enable the hud map when i need it
00:41 <epsy> heh
00:41 <wrtlprnft> i know, the framerate display isn't accurate
00:41 <epsy> well, do i let the servers up?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> what servers?
00:42 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:42 <epsy> mine
00:42 <epsy> all kk
00:42 <Rico> hello
00:42 <epsy> hi
00:42 <wrtlprnft> hi
00:42 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
00:42 <Rico> :P
00:42 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577BAC16.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:43 <epsy> #serverinfo n classic
00:43 <armabot> epsy: thekowsklan classic: No online players.
00:44 <epsy> k cant see
00:45 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails cafe
00:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): -¦Ö¦, Skip, 2020, Blackfoxrun, CTxroot, featherfcuk, Gothica, I'm blue!, Josh Martinez, Poof c(+_+)o, Seraph, Super Duck!, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦Ö¦Sticky
00:46 <epsy> cya
00:46 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Salut!"]
00:56 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577B894C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:00 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:00 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:12 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with 6
01:12 <armabot> spidey: [23:47:58] <spidey> Self_Destructo, 	68.119.125.27   <-- new ts ip :p
01:19 -!- |Sticky| [n=a@80-41-73-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit []
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02:18 <Vanhayes> #server details sumo
02:19 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:19 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.3°F (7:18 PM CST on January 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 28.55 in 966.7 hPa. 
02:21 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails sumo
02:21 <Vanhayes> heh
02:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Wild West  =Team Sumo=  (by Durka): Players (9/16): -¦×¥- Skip, Abs T<, CTxroot, eggcozy, featherfcuk, Gilgamesh, Seraph, Sky, ~*SP*~PsYkO
02:24 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)]
02:29 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails -v sumo
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Wild West  =Team Sumo=  (by Durka) (69.73.188.241:4536) running 0.2.8.2.1 unix dedicated, Description: “Regular Sumo With Teams (Configuration by Durka)“, Players (5/16): Abs T<, CTxroot, Gilgamesh, Seraph, wyom
02:29 -!- Compn [i=lksdfn@cpe-65-29-121-215.twmi.res.rr.com] has quit []
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02:48 <Vanhayes> man, I had a 120 ping in fortress cafe
02:48 <Vanhayes> best ping ive ever had in a europe server
02:48 <ghableska> :o
02:48 <ghableska> was it stable?
02:48 <Vanhayes> ya, went fro  120- 130 140ish
02:49 <Vanhayes> mostly 120s tho
02:49 <ghableska> nice
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03:13 <ghableska> "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true."
03:13 <ghableska>   - Robert Wilensky
03:13 <ghableska> heh
03:19 -!- Hans [n=4b21f187@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
03:19 <Hans> hello all
03:19 <ghableska> hi
03:19 <Hans> lol I didn't know anyone actually used this
03:20 <Hans> yo
03:24 <luke-jr> spidey: chicken
03:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
03:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+c] by luke-jr
03:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
03:26 <luke-jr> Hans: used what?
03:28 <ghableska> irc, probably
03:32 <GodTodd> what's irc?
03:32 <ghableska> i r cool.
03:33 <GodTodd> kinda like irs is i r stupid?
03:33 <ghableska> what's irs?
03:33 <GodTodd> #weather 50266
03:33 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 46.9°F (8:32 PM CST on January 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 28.54 in 966.4 hPa.
03:34 <ghableska> not *the* IRS, right? ;)
03:34 <GodTodd> no
03:34 <GodTodd> of course
03:34 <GodTodd> not
03:35 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:35 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 49.5°F (8:35 PM CST on January 04, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa.
03:35 <ghableska> thanks, armabot
03:44 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
03:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches developing this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low zero except plus 4 along the coast.; Friday - Increasing cloudiness. A few showers beginning in the morning. Amount 2 mm. Fog patches along the (1 more message)
03:47 <Vanhayes> #more
03:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: coast. Wind southwest 20 km/h gusting to 40. High 8. Friday night..a few showers ending in the evening then cloudy. A few showers beginning overnight. Amount 2 mm. Fog patches. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Temperature steady near 9.; Saturday - Periods of rain. High 12.;
03:54 <luke-jr> spidey:
03:54 <luke-jr> spidey:
03:56 <Vanhayes> spidey:
03:56 <ghableska> 0o
03:57 <Vanhayes> spidey:
03:57 <Vanhayes> spidey:
03:57 <Vanhayes> heh
04:18 <luke-jr> I am SO going to pwn spidey this time
04:27  * GodTodd always knew luke was delusional.
04:27 <ghableska> :)
04:29 <mkzelda> luke-jr: around?
04:29 <luke-jr> that is, if spidey ever takes his turns -.-
04:29 <luke-jr> mkzelda: no
04:29 <luke-jr> ?
04:29 <mkzelda> aww, ill wait till you're back then
04:29  * luke-jr is back: gone 0.05 seconds
04:30 <mkzelda> awesome
04:30 <mkzelda> you maintain the arma layman ebuilds?
04:31 <luke-jr> yeah, did you get my memo?
04:31 <mkzelda> ya
04:32 <mkzelda> I havent tested anything but the 0.3.0,
04:32 <luke-jr> ...
04:32 <mkzelda> i installed it on 5 machines, just to have it...
04:32 <luke-jr> O.o?
04:32 <mkzelda> but realized that it installs to a different location
04:33 <mkzelda> and it has file permission problems
04:34 <Hans> whoa
04:35 <Hans> I thought I had closed this window
04:35 <Hans> lol
04:35 <Hans> I'm leaving now
04:35 <Hans> BYE anyone who's still here
04:35 <Hans> :P
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04:35 <mkzelda> noooooo
04:35 <GodTodd> hmmm
04:36 <GodTodd> and he seemed like such a cool person :/
04:36 <mkzelda> usually its /usr/local/share/games/armagetronad and w/ the ebuild its /usr/share/games/armagetronad
04:36 <mkzelda> but w/ the moviepack/moviesounds
04:36 <mkzelda> it puts them /usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental
04:37 <mkzelda> and the perms are 750
04:39 <mkzelda> hrm, that should be fine
04:40 <luke-jr> erm
04:40 <luke-jr> 1. /usr/local is for non-packages
04:41 <luke-jr> so it shouldn't put anything there
04:41 <mkzelda> but on all 5 machines, it compiles, but when I go to run it, I get opengl errors
04:42 <mkzelda> oh, w/o the --prefix, thats where it puts it when i co from svn
04:43 <luke-jr> opengl errors?
04:43 <mkzelda> "Couldn't set video mode: OpenGL not available"
04:43 <luke-jr> /usr/local would be correct for a manual compile
04:43 <luke-jr> that sounds more like a problem w/ X
04:43 <mkzelda> Error: Error in bool sr_InitDisplay() in /var/tmp/portage/games-action/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/render/rScreen.cpp:738 :
04:44 <mkzelda> Sorry, played all my cards tryoing to initialize your video system.
04:44 <luke-jr> ...
04:44 <mkzelda> Armagetron Advanced wont run on your computer. Reason:
04:44 <luke-jr> that sounds more like a problem w/ X
04:45 <mkzelda> well its a problem x5, that doesnt happen w/ manual compiles
04:45 <luke-jr> O.o
04:45 <luke-jr> that's indeed odd
04:45 <luke-jr> try this one
04:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6683 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild): those attempts didnt work... just disable multislot for 030
04:49 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --with (
04:49 <armabot> luke-jr: [19:50:31] <spidey> (12:31:50) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: i been getting like $30 a mounth for one gig of space
04:49 <luke-jr> wtf
04:49 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --with -
04:49 <armabot> luke-jr: [01:19:46] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with 6
04:49 <luke-jr> ...
04:49 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --help
04:49 <armabot> luke-jr: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
04:49 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "([0-9][0-9][0-9])"
04:49 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '([0-9][0-9][0-9])' is not a valid regular expression.
04:49 <luke-jr> it is so you POJ
04:50 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "\([0-9][0-9][0-9]\)"
04:50 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '\\([0-9][0-9][0-9]\\)' is not a valid regular expression.
04:50 <luke-jr> what bs
04:50 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "[0-9][0-9][0-9]"
04:50 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '[0-9][0-9][0-9]' is not a valid regular expression.
04:50 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp [0-9]
04:50 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '[0-9]' is not a valid regular expression.
04:50 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "[0-9]"
04:50 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '[0-9]' is not a valid regular expression.
04:50 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "\(\d\d\d\)"
04:50 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '\\(\\d\\d\\d\\)' is not a valid regular expression.
04:50 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: armabot's broken again
04:51 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --with ( --nolimit
04:51 <armabot> luke-jr: [19:50:31] <spidey> (12:31:50) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: i been getting like $30 a mounth for one gig of space, [19:50:28] <spidey> (12:31:21) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: shit dude thats fucking el cheapo, [19:50:25] <spidey> (12:30:55) spidey: for $5 i can do 10gb, [19:50:23] <spidey> (12:30:30) spidey: well, [19:50:21] <spidey> (12:30:28) spidey: >.<, [19:50:19] <spidey> (12:30:26) spidey: (3 more messages)
04:51 <luke-jr> #more
04:51 <armabot> luke-jr: ooooohhhhh, [19:50:16] <spidey> (12:30:19) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: naw man im in the us, [19:50:14] <spidey> (12:30:04) spidey: lemme convert the price, [19:50:13] <spidey> (12:29:55) spidey: you're in aussie right?, [19:50:10] <spidey> (12:29:43) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: well hell every one i tallk to bug out about it and shit and are like thats going to cost the hell out of me and shit], (2 more messages)
04:52 <luke-jr> #more
04:52 <armabot> luke-jr: [19:50:08] <spidey> (12:29:05) spidey: not alot :p, [19:50:06] <spidey> (12:29:00) spidey: no, that's like, [19:50:05] <spidey> (12:28:51) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: yeah i know its a fucking lot, [19:50:05] <spidey> (12:28:41) spidey: 1gig of space?, [19:50:05] <spidey> (12:28:29) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: 1 gig, [19:50:04] <spidey> (12:28:17) spidey: depends on what you want :p, [19:50:04] (1 more message)
04:52 <luke-jr> #more
04:52 <armabot> luke-jr: <spidey> (12:27:59) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: hey man sup how much you chargeing for your hosting and whats the bandwith, [19:46:28] <spidey> (12:31:50) jack_skellington_is_theboogieman: i been getting like $30 a mounth for one gig of space, and [19:32:47] <spidey> i was op'd since last night, and i forgot to kick luke! :(
04:53 <luke-jr> :(
04:54 <GodTodd> problems, luke
04:54 <luke-jr> stfu GodTodd
04:54 <mkzelda> luke-jr: what'd you change?
04:55 <GodTodd> is that how you respond to anyone that asks a question? you must be very popular then
04:55 <luke-jr> mkzelda: totally disabled multislotting
04:55 <mkzelda> cause it works now
04:55 <luke-jr> cuz it's b0rked
04:55 <luke-jr> 030 had a buggy multislot system
04:55 <mkzelda> no opengl error
04:55 <luke-jr> ok
04:57 <GodTodd> stfu luke
04:57 <mkzelda> and moviepack/moviesounds is fixed
04:59 <luke-jr> yeah, it should be
04:59 <luke-jr> the thing is
04:59 <luke-jr> it's supposed to be installed as armagetronad-experimental
04:59 <luke-jr> so you can emerge stable/028 on the side
05:01 <mkzelda> ya, that makes sense
05:03 <luke-jr> it'll have to wait for 031... :p
05:03 <luke-jr> so would you mind testing the stable vers?
05:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6684 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files): revbump
05:04 <mkzelda> no problem
05:04 <mkzelda> for sparc, or all?
05:04 <luke-jr> well, sparc mainly
05:05 <luke-jr> if you'd prefer not to test older 028 that's okay too :p
05:05 <luke-jr> there's no real reason for anyone to use those
05:05 <mkzelda> k, having issue atm tho... when i reboot the machine my hd sometimes loses something from the mbr
05:06 <mkzelda> happens like 1 out of 5 reboots
05:06 <mkzelda> heh
05:06 <mkzelda> very annoying
05:07 <mkzelda> have to livecd in, fdisk rewrite the existing table and reboot
05:09 <luke-jr> o.O
05:09 <mkzelda> its not a genuine sun hd, i figure it has something to do with that
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05:18 <luke-jr> spidey:
05:18 <luke-jr> anyone remember spidey's #?
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05:29 <luke-jr> ...
05:29 <luke-jr> do you know spidey's #?
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05:33 <Durka> #hello
05:33 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #391: || We already sent around a notice about that.
05:35 <Van-hayes> luke-jr: whydo you want to cal spidey?
05:35 <luke-jr> cuz his turn is taking like 15 min
05:35 <luke-jr> and I want to finish
05:35 <luke-jr> 15 min each
05:39 <Van-hayes> set a timeout?
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05:40 <luke-jr> no, then it's not fair :/
05:41 <Vanhayes_> uh if he is still taking turns wouldnt he be in the game then?
05:41 <Vanhayes_> so couldnt you talk to him there
05:42 <luke-jr> he does 2 turns, then disappears for 15-20 min
05:42 <luke-jr> -.-
05:42 <luke-jr> more like 30 min this time
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06:03 <mkzelda> luke-jr: the removal of multislot and the version bump at the same time will cause a version to get left behind, w/o portage knowing
06:03 <luke-jr> why?>
06:03 <mkzelda> luke-jr: i doubt too many ppl use gentoo+layman+arma
06:03 <mkzelda> so i doubt its an issue
06:04 <mkzelda> I manually removed, but it flagged it N, not U
06:04 <luke-jr> if anything, removal of multislot and NOT verbump...
06:05 <mkzelda> yea
06:05 <Durka> dook!
06:05 <Durka> whats up
06:05 <mkzelda> sup
06:05 <Durka> hows everything
06:05 <Durka> long time no see :p
06:05 <mkzelda> nah, you've seen me :D
06:06 <Durka> hence the :p
06:07 <mkzelda> the film adaptation of a scanner darkley is quite nice
06:07 <luke-jr> ...
06:08 <mkzelda> luke-jr: sparc is back up, compiling updated 0.3.0 atm
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06:18 <mkzelda> luke-jr: You might want to add a reminder to add "/usr/games/bin" to $PATH via pkg_postinst()
06:19 <spidey> he can't
06:19 <spidey> he's gonna be busy getting his ass handed to him in freeciv ;)
06:19 <mkzelda> haha
06:20 <spidey> i just bought 3k gold worth of troops
06:20 <spidey> ontop of what i already had
06:27 <mkzelda> Does arma rely on xv extention?
06:46 <luke-jr> Xv is 2D only
06:46 <luke-jr> so I doubt it
06:56 <mkzelda> luke-jr: With my sparc, with any version I've tried thus far, the game starts, I can navigate the menus, but when I start a game, I see the grid and cycle for a split second and it crashes X
06:57 <mkzelda> my vid card has no xv extention, which is why I asked
06:59 <mkzelda> it does have pci, so i plan to put a better vid card in to test with
07:02 <spidey> #night
07:02 <armabot> Good night spidey!
07:03 <Durka> #roulette
07:03 <armabot> Durka: *click*
07:03 <Durka> #ping
07:03 <armabot> pong
07:14 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with 68.
07:14 <armabot> spidey: [23:47:58] <spidey> Self_Destructo, 	68.119.125.27   <-- new ts ip :p
07:24 <Durka> #more
07:24 <armabot> Durka: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
07:24 <Durka> #more spidey
07:24 <armabot> Durka: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for spidey
07:24 <Durka> #more ghableska
07:24 <armabot> Durka: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for ghableska
07:24 <Durka> #more guru3
07:24 <armabot> Durka: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for guru3
07:25 <Durka> #more Lucifer_arma
07:25 <armabot> Durka: Error: Lucifer_arma has no public mores.
07:26 <Durka> #more cusco
07:26 <armabot> Durka: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for cusco
07:27 <Durka> #more Vanhayes_
07:27 <armabot> Durka: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for Vanhayes_
07:27 <Durka> grr
07:40 <mkzelda> luke-jr: I tested every version. You are safe to add sparc, or at least ~sparc, to keywords in the ebuilds. All versions except 0.2.7.1-r2 build and allow me to navigate the menus. All crash when I start a game, but that is most likely my video card and I plan on testing either the onboard card or buying a pci card to test further
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07:41 <mkzelda> the 0.2.7.1-r2 fails post compile
07:41 <mkzelda> >>> Install armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2 into /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2/image/ category games-action
07:41 <mkzelda>  * Installing game client
07:41 <mkzelda>  * Installing moviepack
07:41 <mkzelda>  * Installing moviesounds
07:41 <mkzelda> install: cannot stat `language': No such file or directory
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07:42 <mkzelda>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_install
07:42 <mkzelda>   ebuild.sh, line 1020:   Called src_install
07:42 <mkzelda>   armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2.ebuild, line 146:   Called die
07:42 <mkzelda> bed...later
07:47 <Durka> bye
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10:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: what's wrong with armabot?
10:51  * Lucifer_arma rubs his eyes
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13:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/different_axes-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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13:30 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/different_axes-2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
13:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/different_axes-3.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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13:43 <wrtlprnft> #g 500/tan(25.5)
13:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 / tan(25.5) = 1,299.67052
13:43 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*tan(25.5)
13:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * tan(25.5) = 192.356445
13:43 <wrtlprnft> #g 500/tan(25.5+45)
13:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 / tan(25.5 + 45) = 94.0019572
13:44 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(2*250^2)
13:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(2 * (250^2)) = 353.553391
13:45 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(.5*250^2)
13:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(.5 * (250^2)) = 176.776695
13:46 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(.5*250^2)*3
13:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(.5 * (250^2)) * 3 = 530.330086
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13:49 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(.5*250^2)*2
13:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(.5 * (250^2)) * 2 = 353.553391
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*tan(25.5)
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * tan(25.5) = 192.356445
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*tan(22.5)
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * tan(22.5) = 278.92587
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*sin(22.5)
13:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * sin(22.5) = -243.587256
13:53 <wrtlprnft> oh, duh!
13:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*sin(22.5 degrees)
13:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * sin(22.5 degrees) = 191.341716
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was about to point out it probably took radians
13:53 <spidey> ...
13:54 <wrtlprnft> though it still appears to be not what i want :s
13:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 500*tan(22.5 degrees)
13:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 500 * tan(22.5 degrees) = 207.106781
13:56 <wrtlprnft> wow, finally!
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> what're you trying to figure out?
13:59 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(.5*200^2)
13:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(.5 * (200^2)) = 141.421356
13:59 <wrtlprnft> making a map
13:59 <wrtlprnft> you'll see in a few minutes
14:00 <wrtlprnft> #g 176.776695 + 141.421356
14:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 176.776695 + 141.421356 = 318.198051
14:00 <wrtlprnft> #g 176.776695 - 141.421356
14:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 176.776695 - 141.421356 = 35.355339
14:03 <wrtlprnft> #g -318.198051 + sqrt(.5*25)
14:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (-318.198051) + sqrt(.5 * 25) = -314.662517
14:03 <wrtlprnft> #g 35.355339 + sqrt(.5*25)
14:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 35.355339 + sqrt(.5 * 25) = 38.8908729
14:03 <wrtlprnft> that should be all :)
14:03 <wrtlprnft> w
14:04 <wrtlprnft> one more
14:04 <wrtlprnft> #g -318.198051 - sqrt(.5*25)
14:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (-318.198051) - sqrt(.5 * 25) = -321.733585
14:04 <wrtlprnft> perfect.
14:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/grind_me-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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14:10 <epsy> hi
14:11 <wrtlprnft> hi
14:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/grind_me-2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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14:24 <epsy> lol the axes
14:25 <epsy> i'm installing wingblows®
14:25 <epsy> trough qemu :)
14:25 <epsy> it's nice with a compositor ><
14:26 <wrtlprnft> doesn't really work in network mode though
14:27 <epsy> did windows already worked good with network?
14:27 <wrtlprnft> no
14:27 <wrtlprnft> the map
14:28 <epsy> ah
14:28 <epsy> what doesn't work?
14:28 <epsy> the axes?
14:29 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/armamaps/epsy/fortress/dworld-0.0.1.aamap.xml :)
14:29 <wrtlprnft> the axes, yeah
14:29 <wrtlprnft> it tears apart
14:29 <epsy> the cycles doesn't looks good at start :P
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15:28 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft:
15:28 <luke-jr> #last --from spidey --regexp "[0-9]"
15:28 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: '[0-9]' is not a valid regular expression.
15:29 <wrtlprnft> how am i supposed to fix it?
15:29 <luke-jr> no clue
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #last --from spidey --regexp "[1234567890]"
15:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '[1234567890]' is not a valid regular expression.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #last --from spidey --regexp ".*"
15:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '.*' is not a valid regular expression.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> !
15:30 <wrtlprnft> oh
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #last --from spidey --regexp "/[0-9]/"
15:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:22:21] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with 68.
15:30 <luke-jr> how lame
15:30 <luke-jr> why does it need the /??
15:31 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6685 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (4 files): 028* works on sparc
15:31 <wrtlprnft> cause that's what python and perl consider regexps?
15:31 <luke-jr> pfft
15:31 <luke-jr> no
15:31 <wrtlprnft> who disabled the colors?
15:31 <luke-jr> / is the syntax to USE regexps
15:32 <luke-jr> me, cuz someone was colouring their chat
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-c] by wrtlprnft
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-c] by luke-jr
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
15:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-oo luke-jr wrtlprnft] by wrtlprnft
15:32 <luke-jr> ...
15:33 <wrtlprnft> …
15:58  * Lucifer_arma sets the channel mode to 'copy what the other guys do'.
15:59  * luke-jr sets the channel mode to 'no colours for Lucifer_arma'.
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i decolored first :)
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm so happy you decolored
16:13 <wrtlprnft> eek.
16:14 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
16:14 <armabot> arctanx: arctanx has last been seen on G-Land (A Swamplords server) 2 minutes ago.
16:14  * Lucifer_arma has disabled colors
16:15  * arctanx sets channel mode +c
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> so has anybody besides luke installed kde4?
16:15 <epsy> 0x00ff00 ^^
16:16  * epsy still cant find how to install kde-svn on gentoo
16:16 <epsy> damn
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious how this Plasma thing is coming along.  Their website still says the same shit it's said for 9 months
16:16 <epsy> windows is still buggy
16:20 <epsy> arf
16:22 <wrtlprnft> not me
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16:29 <madmax|pt> hello
16:31 <wrtlprnft> hi
16:34 <epsy> hi
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> hi
16:39 <arctanx> hey there
16:55 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: ...
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> thanks luke for pointing out I haven't ignore that nickname yet
16:55  * luke-jr|work ponders random nicknames
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16:58  * wrtlprnft ponders hostmasks
17:00  * DrJoeTr0n ponders if they still make that shampoo I like
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17:10  * luke-jr|work ponders randomizing his IP when connecting to FreeNode :p
17:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6686 /tools/svg2aamap/lib/svg2aamap/element.rb: Print a newline after Spawn tags
17:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/circuit_board-8.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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17:31 <epsy> -.-
17:32 <luke-jr|work> hi epsy 
17:34 <mkzelda> luke-jr|work: The 0.2.7.1-r2 ebuild needs the doc installation changed to be like the others
17:35 <luke-jr|work> ...
17:35 <mkzelda> ...
17:35 <mkzelda>         doins -r language/ || die "copying files"
17:35 <luke-jr|work> language != doc
17:36 <mkzelda> its in the doc installation section
17:36 <mkzelda> and there is a note that says        # Ok, so we screwed up on doc installation... so for now, the ebuild does this manually
17:36 <mkzelda> so
17:36 <mkzelda> ...
17:38 <mkzelda> Most people would accept the advice for what it is, and possibly use logic to figure out what the help meant if it wasnt worded 100% correctly
17:41 <mkzelda> in every other ebuild, you have that note #Ok, so we screwed up on the doc... and then uses a different approach, only the 0.2.7.1-r2 has the (im guessing previous/unfixed) busted version
17:42 <mkzelda> you also might consider adding dep checking for ftgl, boost, ruby, swig
17:43 <mkzelda> and >=swig-1.3.27
17:49 <luke-jr|work> nothing requires swig
17:49 <luke-jr|work> nor ruby
17:49 <luke-jr|work> maybe not even boost
17:50 <luke-jr|work> #Ok isn't in 0.2.7's ebuild...
17:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6687 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.3.0-r1.ebuild): 030 deps on ftgl
17:51 <mkzelda> ruby requires swig
17:52 <luke-jr|work> neither ruby nor swig is used by any version
17:52 <mkzelda> it is in trunk
17:52 <mkzelda> last trunk build i did asked for ruby, then when i got that, configure checked for swig
17:52 <mkzelda> ruby doesnt require swig, but arma requires that ruby be built against swig
17:53 <luke-jr|work> trunk isn't in the overlay yet
17:53 <mkzelda> and the #ok isnt in 2.7.1 is exactly what I've been saying
17:53 <mkzelda> its in EVERY OTHER VERSION, but not in 271
17:53 <mkzelda> and 271 fails
17:53 <mkzelda> i replaced that section w/ the section in everything else and it built
17:53 <luke-jr|work> 0271 doesn't need it...?
17:54 <luke-jr|work> or has it some other way
17:54 <mkzelda> *sigh* The ebuild fails
17:54 <mkzelda> if you dont change/fix something, it will never finish
17:54 <luke-jr|work> not in docs, from what you said
17:55 <mkzelda> okay, ill just sit here and know what im talking about and you try as hard as possible to not understand
17:55 <mkzelda> fun game
17:55 <mkzelda> almost as fun as arma, make an ebuild for it
17:55 <luke-jr|work> ...
17:56 <mkzelda> luke-jr's.semantics-0.1.0.ebuild
17:57 <mkzelda> line 146: doins -r language || die "copying files"
17:57 <mkzelda> in the SECTION where the doc installation takes place, immediatly following moviepack/moviesounds/ded server w/in src_install()
17:57 <mkzelda> at the END of that routine
17:58 <mkzelda> line 146 fails
17:58 <mkzelda> cannot stat language, no such file or directory
17:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6688 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2.ebuild): cd back so language/doc/config install properly when only building the client
17:59  * luke-jr|work notes the 028 code for doc install doesn't do language/config
17:59 <luke-jr|work> that should work
18:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6689 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2.ebuild): err, we dont HAVE a music dir...
18:01 <mkzelda> uhhh
18:01 <mkzelda> something got real busted
18:01 <mkzelda> check 0.2.8.1.ebuild
18:01 <mkzelda> <<<<<<<<<
18:01 <mkzelda> >>>>>>>>>>>>
18:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6690 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2.ebuild): ok, yes we do-- portage was just stupid
18:02 <mkzelda> you have <<<<< .mine, >>>>>>>>> .r6688
18:02 <mkzelda> line 28, 32
18:02 <mkzelda> it messes up the manifest so i get errors w/ any version
18:02 <luke-jr|work> nope
18:03 <luke-jr|work> that's cuz you changed your copy of the overlay
18:03 <luke-jr|work> layman -d armagetron && layman -a armagetron
18:03 <mkzelda> oh, tru
18:03 <luke-jr|work> layman will try to preserve changes just syncing
18:03 <mkzelda> blah ive done a lot of changes
18:03 <luke-jr|work> and what happened was your change conflicted
18:04 <luke-jr|work> well, you could just regenerate the manifest if there's no other conflict
18:04 <mkzelda> ya, there were more conflicts, i just removed everything and resynced
18:04 <luke-jr|work> heh
18:05 <mkzelda> i had to add sparc to everything
18:05 <mkzelda> ahhh i have to again
18:07 <mkzelda> can you add sparc to the keywords now?
18:08 <mkzelda> i've tested all the ebuilds, they all build and run
18:08 <luke-jr|work> sparc is in keywords where it works...
18:08 <luke-jr|work> 027 works now?
18:08 <mkzelda> oh, ok
18:09 <mkzelda> im still compiling it, but it worked b4 when i replaced that line 146
18:09 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:09 <mkzelda> it finished building
18:09 <luke-jr|work> note my fix was to add a 'cd' command
18:10 <mkzelda> and it works too
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6691 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.2.7.1-r2.ebuild): 0271-2 is good on sparc
18:10 <luke-jr|work> :)
18:11 <mkzelda> :)
18:11 <luke-jr|work> now if Luci would hurry up w/ 031, we can add that too
18:11 <luke-jr|work> or I can work on the live ebuild...
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18:13 <mkzelda> you used to have one
18:23 <luke-jr|work> I did?
18:23 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6692 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/files/digest-armagetronad-0.3.0-r1: 030-1 digest
18:27 <mkzelda> luke-jr: Ya, it was about the timeframe of the switch from cvs to svn
18:27 <luke-jr|work> news to me :p
18:27 <mkzelda> then wrtl made it, but i thought it was you
18:27 <mkzelda> i used to use it
18:27 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:27 <mkzelda> it pulled from svn
18:27 <mkzelda> svn ebuild
18:27  * wrtlprnft never made an ebuild for anything
18:27 <mkzelda> ok
18:28 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: do you still have it?
18:28 <mkzelda> nope, or i'd still be using it
18:28 <luke-jr|work> heh
18:29 <luke-jr|work> did it automatically show up on emerge -u or did you need to manually update?
18:29 <mkzelda> like every other svn/9999 build ive seen, u had to manually update
18:29 <luke-jr|work> bah
18:30 <luke-jr|work> :po
18:30 <mkzelda> the thing about doing it the way you appear to want
18:30 <mkzelda> it would want to update every time, even 30 seconds apart
18:31 <mkzelda> and i still dont know how you'd do that, b/c portage would only want an update if version numbers were increasing
18:31 <luke-jr|work> so?
18:32 <mkzelda> so you could write your ebuild to cp the previous ebuild in the overlay and create the same ebuild but inc++ the var
18:32 <mkzelda> er, var = version #
18:32 <mkzelda> but there is no function to do so otherwise
18:32 <luke-jr|work> ooh
18:33 <mkzelda> there are several approaches I suppose, but they're all afro-engineering
18:33 <luke-jr|work> I like that idea
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> what does a hairstyle have to do with engineering?
18:33 <luke-jr|work> lol
18:33 <mkzelda> that was my censorship
18:33 <mkzelda> and I have an afro :D
18:33 <luke-jr|work> so how does this sound
18:34 <luke-jr|work> armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6993-rX.ebuild
18:34 <luke-jr|work> where X increments each merge
18:34 <luke-jr|work> and alpha# is bumped when the ebuild needs to break backward compat
18:34 <luke-jr|work> (rX stops changing then)
18:34 <mkzelda> ya that makes sense
18:35 <mkzelda> that approach makes more sense than tricking portage to believe that its never up to date, b/c you get your alpha # bump for the reason u stated
18:35 <wrtlprnft> woo, http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy/ with a new version of doxygen, documentation for everything, inline code, caller/call graphs, collaboration diagrams and a search feature :)
18:36 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: the latest one would increment -rX every merge still :p
18:36 <luke-jr|work> probably via a symlink
18:41 <mkzelda> another approach, which would allow you to turn on/off the sync-every-time feature, a variable somewhere like make.conf w/ value 0/1/true/false, that if true, appends armagetronad-0.3.0-r9999.ebuild to the end of any emerge list
18:42 <mkzelda> If you've ever used emwrap, it works close to that
18:42 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:42 <luke-jr|work> that would be ugly
18:42 <mkzelda> ya
18:42 <luke-jr|work> but a variable that enables/disables the revision bumping might make sense
18:43 <mkzelda> ya, it might be necessary when someone is trying to emerge world and hits some packages that arent playing nicely
18:43 <mkzelda> cause if you're trying to fix a couple packages that dont want to compile its going to want to emerge arma every time
18:44 <mkzelda> as long as portage prioritizes arma last, it wouldnt matter
18:44 <DrJoeTron> my new wristwraps came in the mail "d
18:44 <mkzelda> but portage doesnt really prioritize things correctly a lot of times, especially regarding the toolchain
18:44 <mkzelda> it just satisfies dependancies, at best
18:47 <luke-jr|work> hm
18:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: is there any chance i can host a server on beta.aa.net for debugging? i need it to be extra laggy
18:54 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:54 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6693 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (3 files in 2 dirs): prep for WIP armagetronad-live
18:55 <luke-jr|work> isn't there already one?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> on beta.aa.net?
18:57 <mkzelda> I can host an extra laggy server :D
18:57 <luke-jr|work> yeah
18:57 <luke-jr|work> Luke-Jr's Experimental or smth
18:57 <luke-jr|work> the one w/ public admin pass
18:58 <epsy> lol
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18:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
18:58 <epsy> mine?
18:58 <mkzelda> I need to find a place to get a messed up harddrive fixed
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/debugging/non_normalized-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:58 <mkzelda> but,
18:58 <mkzelda> i need to find one that will ignore the content
18:58 <wrtlprnft> i need one hosting that map :)
18:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, hm
18:58 <epsy> k
18:58 <luke-jr|work> so change MAP_FILE
18:59 <epsy> ...
18:59 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: most places ignore content-- it's empty when it comes back
18:59 <mkzelda> i should have said, i need the content
18:59 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["brb"]
18:59 <mkzelda> not the drive fixed
19:00 <mkzelda> i have that svn ebuild on that drive :D
19:00 <mkzelda> but thats not what i need
19:00 <mkzelda> Among other things, every picture I've ever taken
19:00 <mkzelda> but there happens to be a lot of confidential data on there
19:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: i can't find that server
19:01 <wrtlprnft> o well, i'll just host it myself, probably best anyways
19:01 <epsy> wrtlprnft, I'M GOING TO START IT
19:01 <epsy> grmpf
19:01 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
19:02 <epsy> caps loxl
19:02 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: how is it broken?
19:02 <epsy> *lock
19:02 <wrtlprnft> tell me the ip and port once it's up
19:02 <mkzelda> luke-jr: It used to work, i rebooted, once i did it was corrupted. It does spin up, but even putting it into another machine, I cant mount the partitions, and I cant even fdisk the drive to see the partition table
19:03 <epsy> #serverinfo bugfarm
19:03 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “bugfarm” at the moment, sorry.
19:03 <epsy> #serverinfo test server
19:03 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “test server” at the moment, sorry.
19:03 <epsy> damn
19:03 <epsy> epsy.is-a-geek.org on port 4538
19:04 <epsy> err
19:04 <epsy> wait
19:04 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: why not?
19:04 <epsy> forgot to set pass
19:04 <mkzelda> fdisk reports something like "Cannot read partition table" and so I cannot even go into fdisk to wipe the drive and start fresh (if i wanted to) and in dmesg I get a lot of i/o errors
19:05 <mkzelda> its been about a year now, so my memory is a little foggy
19:05 <mkzelda> but I've hung on to it cause its very important
19:05 <luke-jr|work> hrm
19:05 <luke-jr|work> might be expensive
19:05 <mkzelda> ya
19:05 <epsy> now ok
19:05 <mkzelda> I'm willing to pay a couple hundred
19:06 <epsy> #serverinfo [bug farm]
19:06 <mkzelda> but, i have to find some place shady, that wont analyze the content
19:06 <armabot> epsy: Error: The command "bug" is available in the Alias and Sourceforge plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "bug".
19:06 <epsy> lol
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19:06 <epsy> #serverinfo test server
19:06 <armabot> epsy: test server [bug farm]: No online players.
19:07 <epsy> this one
19:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i've also an other odd-axes map
19:08 <mkzelda> i dont see that server
19:08 <epsy> download the list again
19:08 <epsy> if armabot sees it...
19:08 <wrtlprnft> epsy: any, for that matter
19:09 <epsy> ?
19:09 <wrtlprnft> any map
19:09 <epsy> ah
19:09 <wrtlprnft> just give me the ip and port :)
19:09 <mkzelda> luke-jr|work: now its there
19:09 <mkzelda> oops
19:09 <epsy> epsy.is-a-geek.org on port 4538
19:09 <epsy> damn
19:09 <wrtlprnft> ok, ty
19:09 <epsy> someone entered in it
19:09 <mkzelda> me
19:11 <wrtlprnft> gah
19:11 <wrtlprnft> thanks to luke-jr|work's commits i can recompile everything
19:11 <luke-jr|work> ...
19:12 <luke-jr|work> wtf are you talking about
19:13 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/31e966
19:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6694 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: stuff for ruby use flag
19:13 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: and you need to recompile why?
19:14 <wrtlprnft> well, because it started from scratch when i ran make
19:14 <wrtlprnft> ie it ran configure
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I love it when that happens
19:15 <wrtlprnft> nice monologue Lucifer_arma?
19:15  * Lucifer_arma is simultaneously trying to get a cross-compiler built and test the build scripts to see if he can build a distribution
19:15 <luke-jr|work> hm, broken build system?
19:16 <luke-jr|work> #echo Lucifer_arma: if you want, my PC has a MingW cross-compiler you could ssh to and use
19:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: if you want, my PC has a MingW cross-compiler you could ssh to and use
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> that would defeat the purpose of building my own, but thanks
19:18 <mkzelda> luci: crossdev?
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> huh?
19:18 <mkzelda> nevermind then
19:19 <wrtlprnft> ah f*
19:19 <mkzelda> crossdev is in portage, makes the process of creating a cross-toolchain easier
19:19 <mkzelda> I have x86_64/sparc/i686/i586 on my machines, a big farm
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I stumbled across that tool
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's designed primarily for embedded systems development
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> I want to cross-compile for windows from linux :)
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> mandriva has a number of cross-compilers I'd like to fool with to see if I can get arma built for them, but I don't know that I will
19:21 <mkzelda> i see
19:21 <mkzelda> ya crossdev is for being able to use distcc across architectures
19:21 <mkzelda> it helped me reduce boost compilation time from 1 hr 49 mins to 17 mins
19:23 <mkzelda> hrm i think ill shower this week
19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6695 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: actually work from svn code now
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> grrr
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> build scripts only produced source archives for me :/
19:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6696 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: symlink a new rev to me to force update
19:30 <wrtlprnft> :/
19:31 <wrtlprnft> it's not the sort of bug i expected it to be
19:31 <wrtlprnft> epsy: dunno if i can fix it
19:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6697 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (5 files in 2 dirs): bones
19:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ???
19:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ???
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i don't know yet :)
19:37 <epsy> oo lag
19:37 <epsy> what bug???
19:38 <epsy> hm xchat bugs
19:38 <wrtlprnft> it's just that i don't know enough about the code
19:38 <epsy> brb
19:38 <wrtlprnft> no, the non-normalized axes bug
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19:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6698 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: digest new links
19:39 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i dont know what you are talking about...
19:40 <wrtlprnft> you didn't notice the lag on your own server?
19:40 <epsy> ah
19:40 <epsy> yeah
19:40 <wrtlprnft> with the walls appearing and disappearing all the time?
19:40 <epsy> you was mathias or...?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:41 <wrtlprnft> that's my unix username
19:41  * epsy is lost    ?
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6699 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (5 files in 2 dirs): naming typo
19:54 <guru3> i thought the colors were gone
19:54 <wrtlprnft> that was just temporary, apparently
19:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6700 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: Manifest.
19:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6701 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: dont unpack nothing
20:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6702 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: Manifest.
20:06 <epsy> i go 
20:06 <epsy> cya
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20:06 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6703 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): run bootstrap.sh
20:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6704 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): depend on boost
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> checking for boostlib >= 1.33.1... configure: error: We could not detect the boost libraries (version 1.33 or hig
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
20:09 <mkzelda> cya in an hour
20:09 <mkzelda> heh
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I have it installed
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> I built the game a couple of nights ago just fine (well, mostly fine)
20:09 <mkzelda> even better
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's *no* reason it should be failing now!
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't even do svn update
20:10 <luke-jr|work> O.o
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the spec file hasn't been updated since 0.3.0
20:10  * Lucifer_arma growls again just to hear it
20:10 <luke-jr|work> why does it check for >= 1.33.1 and ask for 1.33 only?
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> anybody care if I just write new build scripts?  :)
20:11 <luke-jr|work> #echo why does it check for >= 1.33.1 and ask for 1.33 only?
20:11 <armabot> why does it check for >= 1.33.1 and ask for 1.33 only?
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> why should I know?
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I may have put that in there, but I don't know
20:13 <madmax|pt> are you ignored luke-jr|work ?
20:13 <luke-jr|work> seems like it
20:15 <spidey> looooooooooool
20:15 <spidey> who doesn't ignore luke??
20:15 <spidey> :p
20:16 <luke-jr|work> spidey: quitter
20:16 <spidey> dude
20:16 <spidey> i had school today
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> holy fuck, you're kidding?  school?  YOU?!?!?
20:16 <spidey> ....
20:17 <spidey> i go once a week...every week....
20:17 <spidey> just like...i have for the last year....
20:17 <spidey> 5 more books and i'm done with the 10th grade, heh
20:17 <spidey> so i'm going to 11th week after next :p
20:18 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:18 <spidey> .........
20:19 <luke-jr|work> why do you go to school?
20:19 <luke-jr|work> and why once a week?
20:19 <spidey> i can go upto 3 times a week
20:19 <spidey> but i go once, and take around 3-4 tests
20:19 <luke-jr|work> why go at all?
20:19 <spidey> and i goto school because i'm 17 and "have" to be in some educational thingy untill i'm 18
20:20 <spidey> unless i get my ged, but a diploma's better :p
20:20 <luke-jr|work> bs
20:20 <spidey> do you got one?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> something weird about the build environment that rpm has
20:26 <mkzelda> luke-jr: Portage has no restrictions on what files you may modify from within an ebuild?
20:26 <mkzelda> aside from file permissions already in place, etc
20:26 <luke-jr|work> mkzelda: ?
20:26 <mkzelda> I ask because I wondered if it allowed you to modify files within the overlays
20:27 <mkzelda> as per the idea
20:27 <luke-jr|work> depends where the codeis
20:27 <luke-jr|work> pkg_postinst should be able to
20:27 <mkzelda> I realize that you should examine any scripts/files before you use them, but if it has no restrictions a malicious user could make an ebuild that'd screw up a system
20:27 <mkzelda> thats why i asked
20:28 <mkzelda> or in a more interesting scenario than malicious user, a trusted bad coder
20:28 <luke-jr|work> of course
20:28 <luke-jr|work> but they can do that anyway
20:29 <mkzelda> certainly, but in the latter case, you want some safety precautions
20:29 <mkzelda> heh, you should make it erase gltron
20:38 <luke-jr|work> lol
20:40 <DrJoeTron> its such a funny rivalry between gltron and arma
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20:50 <epsy> luke-jr, can i get an account on the res repo?
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like a nonexistant rivalry between gltron and arma
20:53 <epsy> luke-jr|work, can i get an account on the res repo?
20:53 <epsy> :P
20:53 <luke-jr|work> sure, email me per the instructions :p
20:53 <epsy> well
20:53 <epsy> where i get your email?
20:57 <luke-jr|work> the wiki and webpages re requesting accts
20:57 <luke-jr|work> luke_armagetron@dashjr.org
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20:59 <epsy> luke-jr|work, k with jabber?
20:59 <epsy> :P
21:18 <luke-jr|work> email for registering :p
21:18 <epsy> k
21:18 <luke-jr|work> incl IRC & IM info tho if you want to change acct stuff that way
21:19 <epsy> well, it's a bot on the email or...?
21:33 <epsy> back
21:34  * epsy tron.avi 700 Mo of 920 Mo
21:34 <epsy> :)
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21:38 <madmax|pt> argh, im in that group of people that haven't seen Tron
21:38  * wrtlprnft too
21:38  * epsy too
21:38 <epsy> but i'm downloading it
21:38 <wrtlprnft> from where?
21:38 <epsy> amule ^^
21:38 <wrtlprnft> gah
21:39 <epsy> where else?
21:39 <wrtlprnft> dunno
21:39 <wrtlprnft> don't even know what amule is
21:39  * Lucifer_arma saw TRON in the theaters
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he meant emule
21:39 <epsy> ed2k://|file|- Tron.avi|964835328|56F5724BF67A152B4F4E58D8B6A829DD|/
21:39 <madmax|pt> I was doing that too a while ago, but then canceled it
21:39 <DrJoeTron> yay!
21:39 <madmax|pt> you dont know what amule is? that I wouldnt expect
21:39 <wrtlprnft> bbiab
21:40 <wrtlprnft> supper
21:40 <epsy> amule is a p2p client
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> you got a crosscompiler built on my machine, DrJoeTron (hi there!) ?
21:40 <DrJoeTron> better
21:40 <madmax|pt> some weaks ago I think Tron was in youtube in several parts
21:40 <epsy> that supports ed2k and kazaa
21:40 <DrJoeTron> religion threads will be gassed on the SA boards :D
21:40 <wrtlprnft> later i'll try to get it
21:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, what distro?
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> arparse.o: In function `yyparse':
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> /home/share/Projects/crosscompiler/binutils-2.15.91-20040904-1/binutils/y.tab.c:1348: undefined reference to `yylex'
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> somehow it's luke's fault
21:42 <luke-jr|work> TRON was in theaters?!?!?! :p
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.libsdl.org/extras/win32/cross/  <--- grrrr!
21:43 <epsy> if i where a good designer... :P
21:47 <epsy> luke-jr|work, how many time you'ill need to setup my account?
21:47 <luke-jr|work> epsy: once
21:47 <luke-jr|work> reason I'm insisting on email is cuz I'm @ work
21:48 <epsy> yeah k
21:48 <epsy> well, tomorrow?
21:48 <luke-jr|work> ?
21:48 <luke-jr|work> later tonight
21:48 <epsy> k
21:48 <epsy> thnx
21:48 <epsy> i go now
21:48 <epsy> cya
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
21:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 75.0°F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 31%. Wind: NNE at 3 mph (5 km/h).
21:59 <wrtlprnft> epsy: gentoo
21:59 <wrtlprnft> emerge amule :P
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, this looks promising.  Found some src rpms somewhere and the binutils one built, except for a missing directory in my rpmroot
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, this should be fun
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know where I can download sdl sources besides libsdl.org site?
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22:43 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 39.6°F (3:42 PM CST on January 05, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 28.80 in 975.2 hPa. 
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22:44 <DrJoeTr0n> hey ghableska I found the old steam 2.0 skin
22:44 <DrJoeTr0n> you might want it
22:44 <DrJoeTr0n> its much less tacky 
22:45 <DrJoeTr0n> and extremely simple looking, and it doesnt take up unnecessary space 
22:45 <ghableska> hmm
22:45 <DrJoeTr0n> you want it?
22:45 <DrJoeTr0n> its real easy to install
22:45 <DrJoeTr0n> and teeny tiny
22:45 <ghableska> how is it less tacky?
22:45 <DrJoeTr0n> the super round edges that take up all of that spcae?
22:46 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, don't exsist
22:46 <ghableska> err
22:46 <DrJoeTr0n> you'll see
22:46 <ghableska> I'm alright with the current one :P
22:46 <DrJoeTr0n> awww
22:46 <DrJoeTr0n> I love the old one 'D
22:46 <ghableska> what does it look like?
22:46 <DrJoeTr0n> :D*
22:47 <DrJoeTr0n> let me make a screen shot
22:47 <ghableska> ok
22:50 <ghableska> brb
22:53 <DrJoeTr0n> ghableska, http://75.57.86.152/asdasd.gif
22:56 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
22:57 <ghableska> thanks
22:58 <DrJoeTron> want it?
22:58 <ghableska> I like the default better :P
22:58 <DrJoeTron> haha ok
22:58 <DrJoeTron> the half life games like to revert back to the old one sometimes
22:58 <ghableska> lol
22:59 <DrJoeTron> or it goes to that if steam updates its self
22:59 <DrJoeTron> and I finally bought a new hl1 key
22:59 <DrJoeTron> so now TFC = :D
22:59 <ghableska> Why did you need a new one?
23:00 <DrJoeTron> my old key was swiped by a keygen
23:00 <DrJoeTron> befor I could register it to steam
23:00 <DrJoeTron> (had it before steam exsisted)
23:00 <ghableska> that stinks L.
23:00 <ghableska> *:/
23:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah, it did
23:01 <DrJoeTron> and you cant buy it in stores anymore
23:01 <ghableska> ah
23:01  * ghableska just got the Firefly tv series
23:01 <DrJoeTron> awesome!
23:01 <ghableska> yep
23:03 <DrJoeTron> I bought the half life one anthology
23:04 <DrJoeTron> Includes: Team Fortress Classic, Opposing Force, Half-Life, Half-Life: Blue Shift
23:04 <madmax|pt> nice
23:04 <ghableska> not cs 1.6?
23:04 <DrJoeTron> they put it into CS anthology
23:05 <ghableska> ah
23:05 <DrJoeTron> I'm not a giant fan of CS anyways
23:05 <ghableska> :o
23:05 <DrJoeTron> TFC is where its at
23:05 <DrJoeTron> I cant wait for TF2
23:05 <ghableska> same here
23:05 <ghableska> I like the trailer :)
23:05 <spidey> die joe, die
23:05 <DrJoeTron> haha
23:05 <ghableska> and portal
23:06 <DrJoeTron> HL1 anthology I bought for 15 bucks
23:06 <ghableska> nice
23:06 <DrJoeTron> hey spidey, I know for a fact those games run on your machine :D
23:06 <spidey> DrJoeTron, stop ripping little children off
23:06 <ghableska> haha
23:06 <DrJoeTron> tfc :D
23:06 <spidey> lol
23:06 <ghableska> do people still play that?
23:07 <spidey> cs 1.6 will run on my computer
23:07 <spidey> nub :p
23:07 <ghableska> cs has better blood sprays, imho
23:07 <ghableska> *1.6
23:08 <ghableska> at least from the videos I've seen :P
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23:09 <DrJoeTron> do people say what?
23:10 <DrJoeTron> spidey I know cs 1.6 will run off your pc
23:10 <ghableska> play team fortress classic.
23:10 <DrJoeTron> thats why I said it
23:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah people do
23:10 <DrJoeTron> not as many as it used to be
23:10 <DrJoeTron> but they still do
23:10 <DrJoeTron> and natural selection ive been playing
23:11 <DrJoeTron> I tried ESF
23:11 <ghableska> esf?
23:11 <DrJoeTron> then quickly deleted it and hoped no one saw me playin git
23:11 <DrJoeTron> Earth Special Forces
23:11 <ghableska> O_o
23:11 <DrJoeTron> its a dragon ball z mod for hl1
23:11 <ghableska> err
23:11 <ghableska> wow
23:11 <ghableska> that's just...
23:11 <DrJoeTron> hahaha yeah
23:11 <ghableska> pathetic
23:12 <ghableska> >_>
23:12 <DrJoeTron> it was horrible
23:12 <DrJoeTron> I mean it was well done
23:12 <ghableska> can't believe you even downloaded it
23:12 <DrJoeTron> but I felt dirty playing it
23:12 <ghableska> but dragonball z? come on
23:12 <spidey> omfg
23:12 <DrJoeTron> shut up, I never touched it :p
23:12 <spidey> luke-jr|work, you bastard
23:12 <ghableska> at least it wasn't pokemon
23:12 <ghableska> haha
23:12 <DrJoeTron> hey
23:12 <DrJoeTron> you shup up about pokemon
23:12 <ghableska> :P
23:12 <DrJoeTron> that is a great fucking game
23:12 <spidey> luke-jr|work, set the game mode as "king" and didn't tell me :|
23:13  * ghableska was one of the few that didn't get into the crazy
23:13 <ghableska> *craz
23:13 <ghableska> e
23:13 <spidey> i bet he was hoping he'd kill my king and win the game :p
23:13 <DrJoeTron> you've never played it have ou ghableska 
23:13 <ghableska> gah
23:13 <ghableska> I found a card once
23:13 <DrJoeTron> no no no
23:13 <ghableska> but I didn't know what to do with it :P
23:13 <DrJoeTron> I'm not talking about that crap
23:13 <ghableska> so I just threw it away
23:13 <DrJoeTron> I'm talking about the original gameboy games
23:13 <ghableska> ohh
23:13 <DrJoeTron> before it was all OH MAH GAWD POKA MANS
23:13 <ghableska> I thought you were talking about the TV show
23:13 <DrJoeTron> nooooooo
23:13 <ghableska> ok, that's better
23:14 <ghableska> heh
23:14 <DrJoeTron> the gameboy games rocked the house
23:14 <ghableska> :)
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23:14 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck, he's back
23:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:15 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma you get a wii?
23:15 <DrJoeTron> or at least the new zelda?
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> no, but my little sister did
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> #seem Your_mom_arma (hi there!) 
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> #seen Your_mom_arma
23:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your_mom_arma was last seen in #armagetron 8 seconds ago: <Your_mom_arma> no, but my little sister did
23:16 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
23:17 <DrJoeTron>  twilight princess is driving me crazy
23:17 <DrJoeTron> I stopped playing for a bit
23:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha, how far are you?
23:17 <DrJoeTron> not very
23:17 <DrJoeTron> water temple
23:17 <ghableska> still there?
23:17 <DrJoeTron> I saw the name, then I suffered from a brain anurism
23:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:17  * ghableska takes out shock paddles
23:17 <DrJoeTron> too many bad memories of ocarina of time
23:17 <ghableska> Clear!
23:18 <DrJoeTron> so I stopped for a bit and played through toejam and earl and gunstar heros
23:18 <ghableska> oh hi mom :)
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> hey ghab
23:18 <DrJoeTron> I was going to ask for your friend code
23:18 <DrJoeTron> but seeing as its your sisters, that'd be far too creepy
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:18 <ghableska> 0o
23:19 <DrJoeTron> heres a question
23:19 <DrJoeTron> make any mii's?
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> nah
23:20 <DrJoeTron> D:
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23:20 <Your_mom_arma> they look so rediclous
23:20 <DrJoeTron> hey man
23:20 <DrJoeTron> don't knock it till you try it
23:20 <DrJoeTron> especially for wii sports
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> i hope they arn't a big deal  in alot of games
23:20 <DrJoeTron> anne frank vs hitler in a boxing match
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:21 <DrJoeTron> my friends and I spent one night just making mii's
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> i saw steven colbert boxing with a politician in wii sports
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> nancy poloci
23:21 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:21 <DrJoeTron> I should add him
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> not sure how to spell her last name
23:21  * DrJoeTron boots up the wii to check to see how many he has
23:22 <DrJoeTron> bah, not enough
23:22 <DrJoeTron> 74
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:22 <ghableska> :o
23:22 <epsy> k i close it now
23:22 <DrJoeTron> I have alot of convicts too
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:22 <epsy> :) emerge amule -av 
23:23 <DrJoeTron> like ted kazinski, john wayne gacy, timothy mcveigh
23:23 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Salut!"]
23:23 <Your_mom_arma> who's epsy?
23:23 <DrJoeTron> they're not bad at bowling :D
23:23 <DrJoeTron> some kid who just came out of no where
23:23 <DrJoeTron> he likes to talk in color
23:23 <Your_mom_arma> i couldnt tell either way
23:23 <DrJoeTron> which is an instant (hope I never see you again)
23:24 <DrJoeTron> nah, in arma he does
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> gaim formats my text so i dont have to see it
23:24 <ghableska> -_-
23:24 <DrJoeTron> btw mom
23:24 <DrJoeTron> you need to join the party
23:24 <ghableska> haha
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> hey wow you put grey text on a black background in the tiniest font size ever
23:25 -!- luke-jr|work [n=luke-jr@2002:4335:4375:0:20d:60ff:fe60:756a] has quit [No route to host]
23:25 <DrJoeTron> what?
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> and thats when i decided i didn't want to see how people formatted text in any im/chat
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> just ranting, sorry
23:26 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=11861&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 watch this trainwreck of a thread morph into a butterfly that vomits rainbows
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> party?
23:26 <DrJoeTron> yes
23:26 <DrJoeTron> you'll see as you read
23:26 <DrJoeTron> this is my favorite thread of all time
23:26 <DrJoeTron> mainly because I hijacked it
23:26 <DrJoeTron> by wrtlprnft
23:26 <ghableska> it was brilliant
23:26 <DrJoeTron> 's deman
23:26 <DrJoeTron> d
23:26 <DrJoeTron> demand*
23:26 <DrJoeTron> I cant fucking type
23:27 <ghableska> heh
23:29 <ghableska> so rubber is a type of game mode now?
23:29 <ghableska> O_o
23:29 <DrJoeTron> ewww
23:29 <DrJoeTron> :/
23:30 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:30 <Your_mom_arma> good job guys
23:30 <ghableska> :)
23:30 <DrJoeTron> :D
23:30 <DrJoeTron> a byob thread gave me the idea
23:31 <DrJoeTron> and its working better than I thought it could
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23:35 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma, is the wii hooked up to the internet?
23:36 <DrJoeTron> if so, don't turn on wiiconnect24
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> no, I have yet to get any kind of wifi transmitter
23:37 <DrJoeTron> I thought maybe you'd hook it up through usb
23:38 <Your_mom_arma> so, have i missed any new game of the week?
23:38 <DrJoeTron> nah
23:38 <DrJoeTron> I've been playing hl1 games
23:38 <DrJoeTron> and wii
23:38 <DrJoeTron> and I tried this MMORPG pirate game
23:38 <ghableska> Your_mom_arma: do you have counter-strike: source?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> which turned out to be lineage2 with boats with a billion bugs
23:39 <DrJoeTron> I dont think mom has steam
23:40 <DrJoeTron> I played CS:S with sabarai once
23:40 <ghableska> :o
23:40 <Your_mom_arma> no :(
23:40 <ghableska> aww
23:40 <ghableska> I guess I'll just be stuck with joe
23:40 <ghableska> dammit
23:40 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
23:40 <DrJoeTron> GOD
23:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah everytime I play with ghab I make him go to the goon server
23:41 <ghableska> I hate surfing
23:41 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:41 <ghableska> I always get stuck in the jail
23:41 <ghableska> and then get killed
23:41 <ghableska> rinse, lather, repeat. 
23:41 <ghableska> :P
23:42 <DrJoeTron> haha
23:42 <DrJoeTron> I like when we play games other than surf
23:42 <ghableska> yeah
23:42 <DrJoeTron> other than that its usually everyone talking about stupid crap from the boards no one cars about
23:42 <ghableska> heh
23:42 <DrJoeTron> the guy who runs the server is my forum adopted dad
23:42 <ghableska> O_o
23:43 <wrtlprnft> so i guess the christmas thread is dead?
23:43 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft, its still going
23:43 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:43 <ghableska> well, after luke-jr posts, what do you expect? :P
23:43 <DrJoeTron> I just don't feel like mspainting at the moment
23:43 <DrJoeTron> I still need to get to lucifers place
23:43 <DrJoeTron> its 10 miles down the way
23:44 <ghableska> I thought you were run over by wrtlprnft
23:44 <DrJoeTron> not yet
23:44 <DrJoeTron> I'm waiting to be saved
23:44 <DrJoeTron> tank and wrtl are going to run me over
23:44 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:45 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:45 <wrtlprnft> am i just too impatient or will that tron movie download ever even start`
23:45 <wrtlprnft> *?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> finetune's wii version of there site is great...
23:45 <DrJoeTron> too bad the music fucking blows
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23:47 <ghableska> Definitely.
23:47 <ghableska> err
23:47 <ghableska> wrong box, oops
23:48  * wrtlprnft ponders what the question was
23:48 <ghableska> :P
23:48 <wrtlprnft> 5× spam on the wiki today :s
23:50 <ghableska> :o
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> 2 out of 3 spam posts are spam
23:51 <Vanhayes_> is the ladle coming up?
23:51 <spidey> it's ghableska's fault
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> or are they?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 360*2/70
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (360 * 2) / 70 = 10.2857143
23:51 <wrtlprnft> errm
23:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 360*3/70
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> the other 3rd is spam and some wierd paragraph
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (360 * 3) / 70 = 15.4285714
23:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 360*3/10
23:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (360 * 3) / 10 = 108
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> so this one time my freind got arested for pot, so you should buy your drugs online! www.spam.com
23:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 360*2/9
23:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (360 * 2) / 9 = 80
23:53 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl is the wikis anti spam software broken?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> probably outdated
23:54  * wrtlprnft pokes Lucifer_arma 
23:54  * spidey drop kicks ghableska
23:54 <wrtlprnft> …
23:55 <spidey> ...
23:55  * wrtlprnft thought spidey doesn't want to use ... anymore
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23:55 <wrtlprnft> use ……………!
23:55 <spidey>  ……………
23:55 <wrtlprnft> ☺☻
23:56 <spidey> ☺☻
23:56 <wrtlprnft> ⚱
23:56 <wrtlprnft> don't ask me what that char is good for
23:56 <spidey>  ⚱
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Vanhayes_> #wtf is lwl
23:57 <Vanhayes_> #ping
23:57 <armabot> pong
23:57 <wrtlprnft> ♳♴♵♶♷♸♹ ♔♕♖♗♘♙♚♛♜♝♞♟♠♡♢♣♤♥♧♦♨♩♪♫♬
23:57 <spidey> Ӕ
23:57 <Vanhayes_> #wtf wtf
23:57 <spidey> Ӕӓ
23:57 <wrtlprnft> spidey == ☣
23:57 <spidey> ¼½¾
23:58 <spidey> #g 1½ + 2½
23:58 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:58 <spidey> ¿
23:58 <wrtlprnft> google is too dumb for non-ASCII chars
23:59 <wrtlprnft> wow
23:59 <wrtlprnft> i'm downloading for some 15 minutes now
23:59 <wrtlprnft> and it managed to finish 360 kb
23:59 <wrtlprnft> #g 360 kb / 15 minutes in kb/s
23:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (360 kb) / (15 minutes) = 0.4 kb / s
23:59 <spidey> «§þîУ¥»

Log from 2007-01-06:
--- Day changed Sat Jan 06 2007
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, is the bundled mathexpr library actually used?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> not currently, i think
00:04 <wrtlprnft> well, there's some code that uses it
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?  :)  It won't cross-compile
00:04 <wrtlprnft> but it's not used itself
00:04 <wrtlprnft> as long as Io compiles
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> Io's not in the trunk yet, is it?
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's still off in z-man's branch...
00:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, wait a minute, I've got other problems
00:05 <wrtlprnft> but it's supposed to be the replacement to luke-jr (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o)'s vValue
00:05 <luke-jr> ...
00:05 <luke-jr> scripting cannot replace vValue
00:05 <luke-jr> it has an entirely different purpose
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> had a path wrong in configure, reconfiguring and trying again
00:06 <wrtlprnft> whatever rocks your boat.
00:06 <wrtlprnft> (that's directed to luke-jr (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o))
00:06 <luke-jr> maybe we should consider a rewrite from scratch
00:06 <luke-jr> Arma is getting bloated :(
00:07 <Lucifer_arma>  /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mandriva-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../include/c++/4.1.1/i586-mandriva-linux-gnu/bits/c++locale.h:55: error: ‘uselocale’ was not declared in this scope
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, it shouldn't even be using that compiler, it should be using the mingw compiler :/
00:07 <luke-jr> ...
00:08 <spidey> Registered Users: Dragonlord, Espadon, «§þîУ¥»
00:08 <spidey> lol
00:08 <spidey> you can use ascii as names on phpbb2 :p
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I should hope so, or I could never be Lucifer on the forums
00:09 <spidey> ?
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00:14 <luke-jr> spidey: none of that was ASCII...
00:16 <luke-jr> ASCII only has visible characters for: !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> do we build in msys?
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00:46 <luke-jr> ...
00:46 <luke-jr> I thought they used Code::Blocks
00:46 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 37.2°F (5:42 PM CST on January 05, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 28.83 in 976.2 hPa. 
00:46 <luke-jr> #echo Luci should stop ignoring Luke if he's going to keep asking questions Luke has answers for
00:46 <armabot> Luci should stop ignoring Luke if he's going to keep asking questions Luke has answers for
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00:48 <luke-jr> or better yet, rtfw
00:48 <luke-jr> wiki*
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00:59 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer it this way.  See, if I *think* luke said something interesting, I use armabot to see it
00:59 <ghableska> heh
00:59 <luke-jr> lol
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> since less than 5% of everything luke says matters, that's working for me
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> and if armabot doesn't work, oh well
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> as usual, luke didn't say anything this time that was useful
01:11 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: something about svg2aamap: there's a constant in PathData, any ideas on how to make it configurable?
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01:22 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:22 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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02:00 <luke-jr> 48% [================>                    ] 107,036,144  829.60K/s    ETA 02:46
02:00 <luke-jr> wow, fast
02:00 <luke-jr> :o
02:01 <madmax|pt> wget ftw
02:06 <luke-jr> heh
02:07 <madmax|pt> "rewriting Armagetron" :o
02:10 <luke-jr> ...
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I don't know how I feel about a rewrite
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> and I might even unignore luke for a little while to talk about it :/
02:23 <luke-jr> ...
02:26 <luke-jr> well, from your perspective, there'd be a lot more code in Python than there is on our current track
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02:36 <madmax|pt> gnight
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02:39 <Lucifer_arma> Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas.
02:40 <luke-jr> ???
02:40 <luke-jr> wtf?
02:40 <Novocaine_> !!!
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> still not sure about rewriting
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> I guess the question that comes to mind is "Can we have a first stable release *before* we have our next stable release?"
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> because we will be able to copy and paste a lot of code to push the rewrite off in a hurry, like the network code
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> and we have all acquired numerous useful skills so far that would lend themselves well to a rewrite where we're having to spend a lot of time now wrapping our heads around existing code
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> then there's the fact that z-man is the primary maintainer of the 0.2.8 branch, most of the bugs he's fixing there are things the rest of us don't even know to look for
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> all these pie-in-the-sky features we've had "planned" for forever, how many of them are realistically going to materialize?
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> especially with developers disappearing off the map, right now we don't even know we're going to be able to put out another windows release!
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> so many of these features we've got planned require so many fundamental changes.  Sometimes it is better to throw away and start over.  Are we really there now?
02:45 <luke-jr> I think so
02:45 <Novocaine_> I totally agree with you. (no, I'm not gonna read the whole block now.)
02:45 <luke-jr> a lot of our older code really should be done in scripting
02:46 <luke-jr> and the stuff that shouldn't needs a lot of changes
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> and we can build in fundamental requirements that right now are a lot of work, but in starting from scratch, we can start them from the beginning
02:47 <luke-jr> exactly
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> like cross-compiling, msys compiling (those two by themselves give us redundancy for when windows developers disappear)
02:48 <luke-jr> cross-compiling should be simple if we stick to Qt and scripts
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> unit testing, an automated build system that builds for every platform and runs the unit tests, posts to the forums, can run nightly
02:48 <luke-jr> erm, cross-compiling to OSX is virtually impossible
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> irrelevant, mostly.  :)  That can run as a separate job if need be
02:48 <luke-jr> heh
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> and most of the bugs the unit testing is going to find will be found in the linux build anyway
02:49 <luke-jr> or Windows
02:49 <luke-jr> but yeah, OSX isn't likely to add new bugs
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> right.  the beautiful thing about cross-platform development is that most bugs are cross-platform too!
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> if we use Qt, we'd have to marry it, though.  We'd need to use every little bit of qt.  Before introducing a dependency, we'd have to ask "Does qt give us this already?"
02:50 <luke-jr> hm
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> even if what qt gives us is not as good as another library, we'd have to pick qt if it has even the slightest of something we need
02:51 <luke-jr> depends
02:51 <luke-jr> if it's QtCore, probably
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> because qt is a large dependency on its own, with dependencies of its own that can make it really hard to build on other platforms
02:51 <luke-jr> but we could theoretically avoid QtSql for example
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> for the server, you sure?  :)
02:51 <luke-jr> for the core engine, yes
02:51 <luke-jr> maybe modules would use QtSql if appropriate
02:52 <luke-jr> but QtSql has issues on Windows
02:52 <luke-jr> and we shouldn't need to worry about building Qt on other platforms-- it has actual support for them
02:53 <luke-jr> unless we wanted to target BeOS or such
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> besides, as much as I love Qt, I don't know that it's a good pick here anyway
02:53 <luke-jr> but even then, I suspect QtCore should be pretty clean
02:53 <luke-jr> Honestly, I'd prefer to use C
02:53 <luke-jr> C++/Qt have their own object-oriented system that makes FFI difficult
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> FFI?
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> #cyborg FFI
02:54 <luke-jr> Foreign function interface or such
02:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: F.F.I.: Forbidden Fighting Individual
02:54 <luke-jr> eg, you need to make bindings, or SWIG it
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> um, you have to do that with C anyway
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> SWIG was originally written for C, iirc, with C++ support being added later
02:55 <luke-jr> I was thinking implementing OO on top of C
02:55 <luke-jr> in which case, we can specify an API for FFI
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, we already have C++...
02:55 <luke-jr> but C++'s OO isn't ideal for our purposes
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> *your purposes
02:56 <luke-jr> and implementing OO isn't very difficult
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> not worth it.  If we want OO and we want performance, it's a no-brainer.  C++
02:56 <luke-jr> C++'s OO doesn't provide the necessary FFI and dynamic nature
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> when I said that thing about skills, SWIG was one of the skills I was thinking about.  It's a bridge already burned
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> it provides everything C provides already
02:57 <luke-jr> C++'s OO isn't extensible either
02:57 <luke-jr> so we'd need to implement another OO layer on top of it, which is just confusing
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's an interesting way to put it
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> how are you trying to extend it that you can't do?
02:58 <luke-jr> eg, adding attributes to objects at runtime, or calling a function that has an unknown name until runtime
02:58  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes a lot of stuff that Qt has in it is stuff that was put there before there was significant compiler support for standard behavior
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> it supports function pointers
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> and why do you want to add attributes to objects at runtime?  not that it's that hard to work out...
02:58 <luke-jr> but no [portable] way to lookup function pointers, or check what arguments they take
02:59 <luke-jr> to reference from functions
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl pulled it off somehow.  The only way it wasn't portable was to MSVC6, which is known to not understand even standards current when it was developed
02:59 <luke-jr> or if the object is to be defined in Python
03:00 <luke-jr> btw, anyone up for Freeciv?
03:01 <GodTodd> you playing?
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see us using that much python code as base code, more like we'd implement the base classes in C++ and let scripting objects inherit it
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm about to eat dinner, so if I'm playing, it'll have to wait
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> It would be best to restore the game from the other night that you didn't want to play :)
03:02 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: Maybe the basic classes, but I think cycles and such can be Pytho
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if I start in a new game tonight, I want to do the same jump-start stuff we did the other night, maybe some more :)
03:02 <luke-jr> ...
03:02 <luke-jr> I didn't "want to play" because it was already late and there was already a game in progress
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> btw, have you guys made your custom civs yet so I can put them on my server?
03:03 <luke-jr> no :x
03:03 <luke-jr> how?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> there's a readme in the source distribution to help, but if you want to just checkout the stuff I made, you can copy the lucifer stuff and just do that
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> my server runs what I put in the svn repo I made
03:03 <DrJoeTron> blarg
03:03 <DrJoeTron> my head is killin me
03:03 <luke-jr> going to mention the svn uri? :p
03:03 <GodTodd> joe, you fucker
03:03 <DrJoeTron> fuck you, asshole
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> if I remember it :)
03:04 <DrJoeTron> I'm sick of your lies GodTodd 
03:04 <GodTodd> you'd enjoy it far too much bitch
03:04 <DrJoeTron> I challenge you to fiticuffs
03:04 <GodTodd> oh yeah?
03:04 <DrJoeTron> thats right
03:04 <DrJoeTron> herp
03:04 <DrJoeTron> derp
03:04 <GodTodd> i challenge you to a donnybrook you cumgussler
03:04 <GodTodd> zz*
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv
03:05 <DrJoeTron> a gussler?
03:05 <GodTodd> fuck you
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> it might checkout a bunch of shit, like tags/branches/trunk, I don't remember
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trunk/
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's a trunk dir.  YOu can view that in your webbrowser, too :)
03:05 <luke-jr> did you merge warruleset yet?
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, not exactly
03:06 <luke-jr> hmm
03:06 <luke-jr> what should I name my civ? :p
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> I looked through it at differences and saw that it was basically civ2 anyway, and not that different
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> name it what you want.  :)  When we've all made some, I'm going to rip out most of the other civs and probably make some fake ones
03:07 <luke-jr> Copernicus's Observatory is nicer :p
03:10  * GodTodd has a few ideas for names for luke's civ but has decided to be nice tonight 
03:10 <GodTodd> heh
03:10 <luke-jr> ...
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> dinner
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> y'all wanna play in a bit?  half hour->hour?
03:42 <luke-jr> yeah'
03:42 <luke-jr> maybe sooner?
03:43 <Vanhayes_> freeciv?
03:43 <Vanhayes_> Im up for a game
03:43 <luke-jr> ya
03:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: Environmentalism/Fundies?
03:46 <Vanhayes_> hmm, what does: "starting game. 2:loading rulesets  0: did not find token entry_name in data/nation/olympus.ruleset line 48" mean? Im trying to add my own nation :/
03:46 <Vanhayes_> that comes up in the server window when i try to start a game from my client
03:50 <GodTodd> sounds like an empty field
03:50 <Your_mom_arma> i may be up for a game of civ
03:51 <Your_mom_arma> luci which missing developers where you talking about? phillip?
03:51 <GodTodd> Vanhayes_:): that almost looks to be somewhere in the default city names list
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: phillip, joda, and k (k recently posted that he's gone for good)
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> did y'all already start?
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> jeez, normally it takes half an hour just to collect enough players to start
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: no environmentalism, I don't like how they've set it up and would prefer to set it up differently.  Fundamentalism yes
03:54 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: can I commit my changes?
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> I took the one from the default ruleset, then compared it to the one in the civ2 ruleset and saw it was the same
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> I have to make a user for you.  :/
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> have you started a game yet?
03:55 <luke-jr> no
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> so who wants to play?
03:56 <Vanhayes_> I do
03:56 <luke-jr> brb
03:57 <Your_mom_arma> pong
03:57 <Vanhayes_> GodTodd: ya, line 48 is right in the middle of my city names, but i dont see anything thats wrong with it
03:57 <GodTodd> what's on that line?
03:57 <Vanhayes_> "Hypnos", "Iris", "Muses", "TheFates", "Nemesis"
03:57 <Your_mom_arma> when did k say he quit? no posts on the forums and i dont remember seeing him in irc
03:58 <Vanhayes_> ah never mind
03:58 <Vanhayes_> no comma
03:58 <GodTodd> i figured it was probably a comma thing
03:59 <Your_mom_arma> no "city 48"?
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: username is luke-jr
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: it was a post on the forum, I think he stuck it on the tail end of a thread where we'd mentioned him
04:01 <Your_mom_arma> im searching through this http://forums.armagetronad.net/search.php?search_author=k
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121251&highlight=&sid=347371653614038d82e004e650b92425#121251
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> it was the first item listed
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> Sorry, but only users granted special access can read topics in this forum.
04:03 <luke-jr> lol
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> ack, you don't have access to that forum?!?
04:04 <Your_mom_arma> pretty much
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> probably just an oversight
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: ping :)
04:04 <luke-jr> basically, he said "I don't have time; remove me if you want" IIRC
04:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think the vacation is going to be permanent (for development at least). Feel free to remove me from the project.  <--- his last message
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04:15 <Lucifer_arma> so should I start a server right now?
04:15 <Vanhayes_> sure
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> ok
04:17 <luke-jr> but.....
04:17 <luke-jr> my civ...
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> let's try a couple more times with that svn thing :)
04:18 <Vanhayes_> uh for some reason it is now saying: "did not find token value in data/nation/observer.reuleset line 1" and I never even touched that 
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> you did test it, right luke?
04:20 <luke-jr> no?
04:21 <luke-jr> how?
04:21 <luke-jr> I just modified yours
04:21 <luke-jr> and changed the name
04:21 <Vanhayes_> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Nations did you do all that?
04:23 <luke-jr> now I did
04:24 <Vanhayes_> now start a server and connect with your client and see if you can start a new game
04:25 <luke-jr> it's not listed :(
04:26 <luke-jr> but neither is Luci;s
04:26 <Vanhayes_> did you put in data/default/nations.ruleset there?
04:27 <luke-jr> yes
04:27 <luke-jr> well
04:27 <luke-jr> .darcs/davesrules/nations.ruleset
04:27 <luke-jr> .freeciv/davesrules/nations.ruleset
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> you have to add it to something, I'm trying to figure out which something I need to add it to :/
04:28 <luke-jr> I thought yours worked?
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops.  Looks like I never finished sorting shit out, have to copy it over by hand, hang on
04:29 <luke-jr> O.o
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> [21:31:44] 0: Nation Heavenly: the leader sex count (1) is not equal to the number of leaders (6)
04:31 <luke-jr> O.o
04:32 <Vanhayes_> you didnt put a sex for each leader you have?
04:32 <luke-jr> fixes
04:32 <luke-jr> cd
04:32 <luke-jr> fixed*
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it works now
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> at least, as long as you build the first three cities, I didn't go farther than that
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> so Heavenly is Luke's whenever he's playing, right?
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> we have to by convention let each other play their custom civs, no way to enforce it :)
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04:35 <Vanhayes_> sounds fine to me
04:35 <luke-jr> :)
04:35 <Vanhayes_> luke-jr: what flag are you using for that?
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty flag :)
04:35 <luke-jr> a cross
04:35 <luke-jr> :p
04:35 <Vanhayes_> heh
04:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: interested in using Darcs for Freeciv data?
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly, I'd have to learn something new
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> I dont' object to learning new shit, just, ummmm......not in a hurry to learn darcs :)
04:36 <luke-jr> well, that way we can have seperate repositories with just our changes, and someone can merge them all
04:36 <Vanhayes_> Lucifer_arma: how would I get this to you? Im pretty sure it works, I just cant get it to
04:36  * luke-jr just setup a darcs repo without any prior experience =p
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> you tested it already?
04:37 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you playing?
04:37 <luke-jr> spidey: how 'bout you?
04:37 <Vanhayes_> well I cant get it to start because it now says "did not find token value in data/nation/observer.reuleset line 1" and I never even touched that file
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> that looks a lot like a typo somewhere
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> email it to dave@davefancella.com
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> flags too
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> assuming you made flags and didn't just use some other civ's flags
04:38 <Vanhayes_> heh its the olympic flag
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> if you used an existing flag, I suggest not using the barb flag
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> did you send it yet?
04:39  * Lucifer_arma notes the game is a lot more fun when you use your own civ :)
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: did you ever get your civ working?
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes_: did you send it?  The server's already started for a game, so you'll need to hurry up and send it if you want it for this game :)
04:41 <Vanhayes_> just sent
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04:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: if you want to try out darcs, lemme know and I'll send the vanilla repo
04:45 <Your_mom_arma> looks simple enough to make your own civ
04:45 <Vanhayes_> easy to make, hard for me to get it to work
04:45 <GodTodd> fine...
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:45 <luke-jr> ...
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> testing shit, don't take it badly, we'll start for real in a sec
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> I know what the problem is, though
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> classic C++ problem, the error's at the end of your file :)
04:46 <GodTodd> i know when i'm not wanted :P
04:46 <Vanhayes_> ah, ok
04:46 <Vanhayes_> I forgot to add a new original legend, but that doesnt really matter
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, playing for real, everyone connect
04:48 <Vanhayes_> you suck luke-jr
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04:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: spidey spidey spidey  logspidey logspidey logspidey  PING
05:19 <spidey> WHAT
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> crashed
05:58 <luke-jr> good
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> why?
05:58 <Vanhayes> means less poeple out to get him
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> coming back?
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, mom's the most peaceful fucker around here
05:59 <Vanhayes> true
05:59  * GodTodd is pretty peaceful. heh
06:04 <DrJoeTron> not to me
06:04 <DrJoeTron> jerk wad
06:04 <GodTodd> fuck you
06:04 <GodTodd> bastard
06:04 <DrJoeTron> fuck me
06:04 <DrJoeTron> D:
06:04 <GodTodd> you'd like it too much
06:05 <DrJoeTron> depends
06:05 <DrJoeTron> are you a girl?
06:05 <GodTodd> no
06:05 <GodTodd> are you?
06:05 <DrJoeTron> :/
06:05 <DrJoeTron> no
06:05 <GodTodd> :(
06:05 <DrJoeTron> wait
06:05 <DrJoeTron> let me check
06:06 <DrJoeTron> innie or outie
06:06 <DrJoeTron> which is a guy
06:06 <GodTodd> outie i think
06:06 <DrJoeTron> guy then
06:06 <GodTodd> fucker
06:06 <GodTodd> change to a girl
06:06 <GodTodd> i don't wanna be gay
06:07 <DrJoeTron> I don't either :/
06:07 <DrJoeTron> wait
06:07 <DrJoeTron> if we find a girl
06:07 <DrJoeTron> it wont be gay would it
06:07 <GodTodd> nope
06:07 <DrJoeTron> I don't like this conversation
06:07 <GodTodd> then its a threesome
06:07 <GodTodd> heh
06:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:08 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma are you a girl?
06:08 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd is he a girl??
06:08 <GodTodd> nope
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm your girl, DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
06:08 <GodTodd> :(
06:08 <DrJoeTron> <3
06:08 <DrJoeTron> works for me
06:08 <DrJoeTron> wanna be GodTodd's?
06:08 <GodTodd> a/s/l room
06:08 <GodTodd> heh
06:28 <Vanhayes> #ping
06:28 <armabot> pong
06:30 <Vanhayes> #luke
06:30 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
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06:49 <Durka> #hello
06:49 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Hey, what's the big deal about going to some building every Sunday? I || mean, isn't God everywhere? || -- Homer Simpson || Homer the Heretic
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> ping GodTodd
06:50 <GodTodd> crashed :/
06:50 <GodTodd> on my way
06:50 <Durka> mom!!!!
06:50 <Durka> Wow I think I've talked to you once
06:50 <Durka> ever
06:50 <Durka> maybe not even once =/
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07:42 <GodTodd> :/ i think my clients about to crash again
07:42 <Your_mom_arma> it already has?
07:42 <GodTodd> ?
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> you lost connection like 2 mins ago
07:43 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:43 <GodTodd> let me kill it and restart it then
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07:45 <Durka> #hello
07:45 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Include || me out. -Samuel Goldwyn
07:46 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127311#127311 hahaha the boards are becoming one of my favorite thing to read again
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> haha joe
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd: ping
07:47 <GodTodd> i'm getting there
07:48 <GodTodd> y'all can just keep your panties on :P
07:48 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mWW6kRITEY OH GOD WATCH
07:48 <DrJoeTron> this is the best video ever
07:49 <DrJoeTron> the cap gun makes it
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08:04 <Van-hayes> #ping
08:04 <armabot> pong
08:16 <DrJoeTron> night
08:16 <GodTodd> cya
08:18 <DrJoeTron> though I gotta say
08:18 <DrJoeTron> I think I found a new calling on the boards
08:18 <GodTodd> that of random divertor?
08:18 <GodTodd> diverter*
08:18 <DrJoeTron> yup
08:19 <GodTodd> heh
08:19 <DrJoeTron> its only for spammy threads
08:19 <DrJoeTron> or DOOD DIS ALREADY GOT DELTEEEDED GOTTA REPOST!
08:20 <GodTodd> haha
08:20 <DrJoeTron> because threads just randomly delete themselves
08:20 <DrJoeTron> it is a mystery :o
08:20 <GodTodd> wow
08:20 <GodTodd> that is ;)
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10:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6705 / (6 files in 2 dirs): Added macros for sticky and nonsticky properties, added statict type logic.
10:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6706 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Got regular classes (abstract and non-abstract) working again.
10:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6707 / (25 files in 18 dirs): Got rid of instantiation.hpp.
10:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6708 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Made all sticky properties available in all templates, not just in macros.
10:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6709 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Moved implementation using the sticky properties from macros to templates.
10:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6710 / (4 files in 4 dirs): adapted to new macros.
10:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6711 / (6 files in 2 dirs): GCC 4.1 compatibility
10:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6712 / (8 files in 3 dirs): Restored and used old functionality.
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6713 / (5 files in 3 dirs):
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: Added template versions of the various class properties (existence of
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: con/destructor or virtual functions)
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6714 / (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: Added possibility to forward declare clio wrappers (CLIO_CLASS_HEADER and
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: CLIO_CLASS_BODY).
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: Moved CallInfo holding information about which Io state a call to C++ comes
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: from from ifunctioninfo.cpp to header so it can also be used during
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: construction/cloning of objects.
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: GC pointers to Io objects now store NULL as a default. It gets converted to
10:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6715 / (9 files in 4 dirs): Adapted to clio changes.
10:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what did i pull off?
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10:34 <wrtlprnft> is it correct to assume we all agree on http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127171#127171 ?
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10:48 <philippeqc> hi
10:52 <wrtlprnft> hi!
10:52 <wrtlprnft> wow, and i almost lost all hope you'd ever come back
10:52 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v race around the track
10:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Race Around The Track (beta) (88.198.22.100:4536) running 0.3_alpha6289 unix dedicated, Description: “Like all the various race to winzone servers out there, but this doesn't go a one-way route but you need to drive three times around an autogenerated track.“, No online players.
10:53 <wrtlprnft> using your zone model with a small hack :)
10:55 <philippeqc> o ok... I'lll have to boot my brain to figure how to d/l the code to try it
10:56 <wrtlprnft> take your time :)
10:56 <wrtlprnft> welcome back
10:56 <philippeqc> if I get the client from trunk,  will it work or I need a branch
10:56 <philippeqc> I'm just passing by today... Not planning to code. But ty.
10:56 <wrtlprnft> the trunk client works
10:56 <philippeqc> getting it
10:57 <wrtlprnft> if you get problems with SWIG or don't want ruby, use --disable-ruby on ./configure
10:57 <philippeqc> we have ruby now. neat
10:58 <philippeqc> nope I havent read a thing since like mid-september
10:58 <philippeqc> /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE
10:58 <philippeqc>  cd .. && /bin/sh /home/ph/tmp2/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/missing --run automake-1.9 --gnu
10:58 <philippeqc> configure.ac:8: warning: file `accustomdir.m4' included several times
10:58 <philippeqc> configure.ac:304: required file `aa_config.h.in' not found
10:58 <philippeqc> autoconf... my bad
10:59 <philippeqc> [ph@localhost armagetronad]$ autoconf
10:59 <philippeqc> configure.ac:8: warning: file `accustomdir.m4' included several times
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit he is back
11:00 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
11:00 <philippeqc> hello
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you pulled off storing arbitrary function pointers and then calling them, without knowing their names :)
11:01 <philippeqc> well thy excrement be marked by the divine
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: another one of luke-jr (hi there!) 's "i can't" things is all
11:01 <wrtlprnft> :)
11:01 <wrtlprnft> though it does use templates, so you need to know the class name at compile time
11:06 <philippeqc> so, anyone could point to the highlights of the latest months, so I can skip reading 7 pages of "view post since last visit"
11:09 <wrtlprnft> haha
11:09 <wrtlprnft> well, z-man did some interesting work with Io
11:09 <philippeqc> what is Io
11:09 <wrtlprnft> scripting languaeg
11:09 <philippeqc> so the game has multiple scripting language?
11:10 <wrtlprnft> currently, sort of
11:10 <wrtlprnft> but ruby is too big
11:10 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=11381
11:10 <philippeqc> ack
11:12 <wrtlprnft> i don't know how much of luke-jr (hi there! :D ! ;) :) O_O)'s vValue/DCD stuff happened before you disappeared
11:14 <philippeqc> vValue where still not used/ I was starting to use them in the zone
11:14 <philippeqc> iirc
11:15 <wrtlprnft> the parser was and is still not used
11:16 <wrtlprnft> because luke-jr (hi there! :D ! ;) :) O_O) doesn't seem to be able to add the little bit of functionality i need
11:16 <philippeqc> i'm upgrading my mandrake here so hopefully i'll get boost 1.33 (stuck with 1.32), so ihavent seen your hack yet
11:18 <wrtlprnft> that's another showstopper :(
11:18 <wrtlprnft> we need to get rid of that dependency somehow, it's just too big
11:18 <philippeqc> o
11:25 <wrtlprnft> Up: 90.0 | Down 9.5
11:25 <wrtlprnft> why do i always feel exploited when i do p2p downloads?
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11:41 <philippeqc> cya
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11:53 <Van-hayes> #night
11:53 <armabot> Good night Van-hayes!
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12:04 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *van*hay* i saw 125 chars of your quit message, including the extra quote :)
12:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6716 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Removed tArray default instance, it was not working.
12:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6717 / (/ private/z-man/clio/macros.hpp): Fixed linker errors.
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12:46 <epsy> hi there!
12:50 <wrtlprnft> wb
12:51 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 3:22 hours till i can watch tron :)
12:51 <epsy> i would say 'good morning' :P
12:51 <wrtlprnft> if the speed remains the same, that is
12:51 <wrtlprnft> 'good morning' :P
12:51 <epsy> you're anonymous?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:52 <epsy> ah
12:52 <wrtlprnft> 2007-01-05 23:40:39: New clientid is 4029081941
12:52 <epsy> double-click on the progress bar ;)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:53 <epsy> ?
12:53 <epsy> it shows who has the file
12:54 <wrtlprnft> didn't know that
12:54 <wrtlprnft> i used that thing below
12:54 <wrtlprnft> that showed the clients i was uploading to
12:54 <epsy> that's the guy you send files
12:54 <epsy> *guys
12:54 <epsy> meh lol
12:55 <wrtlprnft> though i can't find your nick either
12:55 <epsy> heh
12:58  * epsy tron.avi: 760 Mo of 920 Mo
12:58 <wrtlprnft> 444 of 920 x_X
12:59 <wrtlprnft> but my upload rate is always at least twice the downrate
12:59 <epsy> Speed: 4.6 Ko/s
12:59 <wrtlprnft> 33,1
12:59 <wrtlprnft> wtf are Ko?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> kilo omlettes?
12:59 <epsy> kilooctets
12:59 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:59 <wrtlprnft> bytes
12:59 <epsy> yeah
12:59  * epsy has problems with bit/byte
13:00 <wrtlprnft> 8 bit = one omlette
13:00 <epsy> i know
13:01 <epsy> i just cant remember there is byte
13:02 <epsy> wrtlprnft, dont foget to close it when playing online games ;)
13:02 <wrtlprnft> hehe
13:02 <wrtlprnft> or just turn down the uprate
13:03 <epsy> how?
13:03 <wrtlprnft> it's set to 90 KB/s max right now, and it's always fully used
13:03 <wrtlprnft> preferences?
13:03 <wrtlprnft> connection→bandwidth limits
13:03 <epsy> arg
13:03 <epsy> enc problem
13:03 <epsy> damn xchat
13:03 <wrtlprnft> utf-8
13:04 <epsy> xchat seems to not support that
13:04 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure you can set it somewhere
13:04 <epsy> well, i'ill emerge irrsi
13:04 <epsy> hmpf
13:04 <epsy> *irssi
13:04 <wrtlprnft> hehe
13:05 <wrtlprnft> make sure you use irssi in a console emulator that supports utf-8
13:05 <wrtlprnft> like konsole :P
13:05  * epsy wonders if he could have a jabber transport for irc...
13:05  * epsy uses transparent urxvts :)
13:05 <epsy> i'm in utf-8 mode
13:06 <epsy> well, not me, my gentoo :)
13:06 <wrtlprnft> ah
13:06 <wrtlprnft> though i haven't figured how to get zsh to work with utf-8 yet :s
13:06 <epsy> but i still call these terms xterms
13:07 <epsy> merged :)
13:07 <wrtlprnft> /set term_charset=utf-8 :)
13:08 <epsy> :set enc=utf-8
13:08 <epsy> :P
13:08 <epsy>  No such variable.
13:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:10 <wrtlprnft> and there's some command you need in screen as well
13:10 <epsy> well the problem if it runs in a term
13:10 <epsy> is that i wont care of it
13:11 <epsy> and possibly close it accidentally
13:11 <epsy> like the terms where i run my map switcher scipts
13:11 <wrtlprnft> heh
13:11 <wrtlprnft> i always use screen
13:12  * wrtlprnft looks at his current screen session, attaching 3 other screens, having 10 windows, and attached from 5 terminals
13:13 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-06-131347.png
13:13 <epsy> :)
13:13 <wrtlprnft> btw, what do the colors mean for the client bars?
13:13 <wrtlprnft> yellow means transferrig, ok…
13:13 <epsy> ah
13:13 <epsy> meh
13:13 <wrtlprnft> nice, fast download :)
13:13 <epsy> i dont know
13:13 <wrtlprnft> people will have fun on your tron server
13:14 <epsy> fast download from my comp?
13:14 <epsy> lol
13:14 <epsy> lol?
13:14 <wrtlprnft> that was irony :P
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13:15 <epsy> lol
13:15 <epsy> Oo
13:15 <wrtlprnft> aww, your xchat doesn't respond to ctcp version
13:16 <epsy> i close xchat
13:16 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:16 <epsy_> well
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13:17 <epsy_> meh
13:17 <epsy_> ...
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13:17 <wrtlprnft> err
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13:18 <wrtlprnft> wb
13:18 <wrtlprnft> ah, xchat again
13:19 <epsy> k
13:19 <epsy> have my nick correct
13:19 <epsy> not xchat ^^
13:20 <wrtlprnft> something that doesn't respond to ctcp version either, anyways
13:20 <epsy> heh
13:20 <epsy> lostirc
13:21 <wrtlprnft> http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ_aMule#What_do_those_colors_in_the_progress_bar_mean?
13:21 <wrtlprnft> good to know :)
13:22 <epsy> heh
13:22 <epsy> ..
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13:23 <wrtlprnft> …
13:23 <epsy> k now black on white ^^
13:24 <wrtlprnft> at this rate i might beat you to tron :)
13:27 <wrtlprnft> ha, found your client :)
13:28 <wrtlprnft> the only amule client that matches the progress you reported, and the IP is correct as well
13:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/foundepsy.png
13:28 <epsy> well, i play ctwf now
13:29 <wrtlprnft> i'll wait for it to finish and read some :)
13:55 <epsy> lol
13:55 <epsy> huh
13:56 <epsy> lostirc didn't made a link of...
13:56 <epsy> meh
13:57 <epsy> is chatzilla good?
13:57 <epsy> lol
13:57 <epsy> http://www.gentoo-portage.com/net-irc/bitchx
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14:08 <wrtlprnft> i dunno
14:08 <wrtlprnft> i only ever used opera and irssi
14:09 <wrtlprnft> and gaim on a windows box, but it sucks.
14:15 <epsy> back
14:15 <epsy> what was the WM on the screenshot ? :P
14:16 <wrtlprnft> kwin
14:16 <wrtlprnft> w/ 
14:16 <wrtlprnft> the b2 theme
14:16 <epsy> o
14:16 <epsy> kwin sux
14:16 <epsy> ^^
14:16  * wrtlprnft curses the guy who put the shift and backspace key right next to the return key
14:16 <wrtlprnft> kwin rocks :)
14:17 <epsy> E rocks ^^
14:17 <wrtlprnft> never got around to using it
14:17 <epsy> emerge e 
14:17 <wrtlprnft> everytime i try something else i instantly miss the dozens of kwin's features i use
14:18 <wrtlprnft> i even have e installed
14:18 <epsy> e17?
14:18 <epsy> or e16?
14:18 <wrtlprnft> oh, e != enligthment?
14:19 <epsy> i found who is the wild west guy...
14:19 <epsy> yeah enlightenment
14:19 <wrtlprnft> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "e" have been masked.
14:19 <wrtlprnft> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
14:19 <wrtlprnft> - x11-wm/e-9999 (masked by: missing keyword)
14:19 <epsy> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Howto_e17
14:19 <epsy> wildwest.notlong.com
14:19 <epsy> see the redirect?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> browsing is sort of slow right now :s
14:20 <epsy> heh
14:21 <wrtlprnft> durka is hosting wildwest?
14:21 <wrtlprnft> never knew that
14:21 <epsy> yeah it seems
14:57 <arctanx> Hmm weren't you guys talking about some dude called custang earlier?
14:59 <arctanx> I said a couple of days ago how I was asking if I could admin some basically dead server, which is now happening, but I've since gone of the forums of the site on this box and found some fellow called custang asking if he could host his own tron server on there
14:59 <epsy> the name custang says something to me
14:59 <epsy> ...
15:01 <epsy> still cant find where
15:01 <epsy> lol
15:04 <wrtlprnft> that movie is in italian?
15:04 <epsy> LOL
15:04 <wrtlprnft> or is that french? doesn't sound like it at all
15:05 <epsy> cut me a part and let me hear...
15:05 <epsy> lol
15:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, there's a preview feature?
15:05 <epsy> ?
15:05 <epsy> in amule?
15:05 <epsy> no
15:05 <wrtlprnft> there is
15:05 <wrtlprnft> right click on the download
15:05 <epsy> ~x86 ?
15:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:06 <wrtlprnft> assuming you have the first chunk, of course :)
15:06 <epsy> i've it
15:06 <wrtlprnft> then right click and select preview
15:06 <epsy> still ne dialogs...
15:06 <epsy> i saw
15:07 <wrtlprnft> and the name is [divx - ITA] - Tron -
15:07 <epsy> lol you're right
15:07 <epsy> ssounds italian
15:07 <wrtlprnft> is italian
15:07 <wrtlprnft> either i find subtitles
15:07 <wrtlprnft> or i look for an english version
15:08 <epsy> yeah italian
15:08 <epsy> it seems that dialogs are shit
15:08 <epsy> but its your self that said it
15:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:09 <epsy> i remember you said on the forums
15:09 <epsy> that dialogs where shit ><
15:09 <wrtlprnft> hah, there's a german one!
15:09 <wrtlprnft> what dialogs?
15:09 <epsy> in the film...
15:10 <wrtlprnft> uh
15:10 <wrtlprnft> i never watched it
15:10 <epsy> remember it's a disney film...
15:11 <epsy> you dont need to understand what they say lol
15:11 <wrtlprnft> i'd prefer if i did
15:13 <epsy> found a french one
15:13 <epsy> :)
15:13 <epsy> 0 of 699 Mo
15:13 <epsy> lol
15:16 <wrtlprnft> i'm downloading the german and (presumably) english one now
15:27 <wrtlprnft> still 0 of ~650MiB
15:27 <epsy> lol
15:27 <epsy> me too
15:28 <wrtlprnft> on queue everywhere
15:28 <wrtlprnft> i hope i'll get some credits after i get the first bits and it'll go faster then
15:29 <epsy> ah
15:33 <epsy> damn
15:33 <epsy> ...
15:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:33 <wrtlprnft> yay
15:34 <wrtlprnft> got 63KiB now
15:34 <epsy> how we do rename a lot of files to their low-case names
15:35 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:36 <epsy> imaging i've a dile DESCENT.HOG and i need it lower-case
15:36 <epsy> imagine now i've 100 files like that
15:36 <wrtlprnft> krename :P
15:37 <epsy> lol
15:37 <epsy> kde tool?
15:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:37 <wrtlprnft> works like a charm :)
15:37 <wrtlprnft> or write a small php script
15:37 <epsy> i was about to do that :P
15:38 <wrtlprnft> dunno about a shell command that converts a string to lowercase
15:53 <wrtlprnft> yay!
15:53 <epsy> hehe
15:53 <wrtlprnft> it started to download a big chunk!
15:54 <epsy> still at 0
15:54 <wrtlprnft> which means i can start seeding the file and get credits from those clients that needed it
15:55 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately i still don't have anything i can preview to find out the language for sure
15:56 <wrtlprnft> yay, getting another piece
16:01 <epsy> meh
16:01 <epsy> bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
16:01 <epsy> no such file or directory...
16:03 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:03 <wrtlprnft> what project?
16:03 <wrtlprnft> arma's autogen.sh is named bootstrap.sh
16:04 <epsy> d2x-xl
16:04 <wrtlprnft> umm, and try dos2unix autogen.sh
16:04 <wrtlprnft> the ^M is the result of a file saved in DOS format
16:04 <wrtlprnft> \r\n ;)
16:05 <wrtlprnft> or use vim and :s/^M$//
16:05 <wrtlprnft> (^M you get by pressing <C-V><C-M>)
16:10 <epsy> meh
16:10 <epsy> will try the other one
16:10 <epsy> i keep having errors
16:11 <wrtlprnft> or just run sh autogen.sh, of course
16:11 <epsy> and then configure is buggy...
16:11 <epsy> meh
16:11 <epsy> well,'im compilling d2x
16:12 <epsy> the one in portage
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16:28 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: ooh, watching your ladle match on youtube ;)
16:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:52 <wrtlprnft> not complete, though
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17:29 <arctanx> Vanhayes was there too :)
17:29 <arctanx> doing clever defence against two blues
17:29 <arctanx> anyway, 3:36am, going to bed
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18:02 <|Sticky|> bonjourno boys and girls
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *epsy* know what… tron is only some 9€ on amazon, I'll just buy that before watching it in some language I don't understand
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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18:18 <wrtlprnft> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159833
18:18 <wrtlprnft> that's how gentoo bugs ought to be fixed :)
18:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr (hi there :D ! ;) :) O_o): i guess gentoo hasn't gone bad entirely :)
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18:21 <madmax|pt> hi
18:22 <wrtlprnft> hi
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19:42 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6718 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (swig/ swig-old/): reworking swig/ruby
19:43  * spidey yawns
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20:17 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: pong
20:24 <DrJoeTron> it takes a long time for the wii to send emails
20:25 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: taken care of
20:34 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127481&sid=7ea9ed3711fa48cbf9a45aaabbda2cbf#127481 I love you guys
20:34 <DrJoeTron> seriously
20:34 <guru3> lol
20:34 <guru3> i just did it cause everyone was
20:48 <DrJoeTron> you did the right thing
20:48 <DrJoeTron> :D
20:49 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
20:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
20:50 <Vanhayes> heh, so the limit for a quit message is 125 wrtlprnft ?
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20:56 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: apparently
20:59 <guru3> v00t
20:59 <guru3> time to upgrade the cpu on this one comp
21:00 <guru3> 400 -> 700mhz
21:00 <guru3> vroom
21:01 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127511#127511
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21:07 <wrtlprnft> guru3: lol, nice improvement
21:09 <guru3> looks like the new cpu is incompatible ><
21:09 <guru3> oh well
21:09 <guru3> worth a shot
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21:18 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127471#127471 ← did that become a roll call thread of some kind?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> everyone shouting, “hi, i'm still alive!”
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21:25 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: civ?
21:25 <luke-jr> guru3: civ?
21:26 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: civ?
21:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey [dlh] [NP]Tangent logspidey mkzelda SuPeRTaRD
21:35 <wrtlprnft> nah
21:36 <wrtlprnft> already got a little headache
21:50 <[NP]Tangent> gah
21:50 <[NP]Tangent> let me mix music in peace!
21:51 <[NP]Tangent> and while I'm at it
21:51 <[NP]Tangent> my friends and I are starting a new music community
21:51 <[NP]Tangent> http://nullprod.abacionline.com/nsm/index.php
21:51 <[NP]Tangent> domain to come soon, if we start getting traffic
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Warning: your browser doesn't send the HTTP_REFERER header to the website.
21:55 <wrtlprnft> This can be caused due to your browser, using a proxy server or your firewall.
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Please change browser or turn off the use of a proxy
21:55 <wrtlprnft> or turn off the 'Deny servers to trace web browsing' in your firewall
21:55 <wrtlprnft> and you shouldn't have problems when sending a POST on this website.
21:55 <wrtlprnft> now why do you need my referer?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> (note that referers are unreliable anyways. you can fake them)
21:59 <[NP]Tangent> eh
21:59 <[NP]Tangent> that might be PHP-Nuke being lame
22:00 <wrtlprnft> :s
22:03 <[NP]Tangent> it's weird
22:03 <[NP]Tangent> I'll look through settings
22:03 <[NP]Tangent> I'll probably just mod php-nuke again
22:03 <[NP]Tangent> seem to be having some issues with it
22:11 <spidey> php-nuke sucks :p
23:07  * Lucifer_arma drops a php-nuke on spidey's house
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23:14 <Genki> oops
23:14 -!- Genki is now known as Stempo
23:15 <spidey> ...
23:15 <Stempo> ?
23:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i dare you :p
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23:18 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you scared her away!
23:19 <Vanhayes> its what he does best
23:19 <wrtlprnft>  yeah
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23:35 <spidey> what did i do?
23:35 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
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23:35 <spidey> deja_vu, !
23:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft, you still mbc?
23:35 <deja_vu> how are you, spidey?
23:35 <spidey> deja_vu, good, you? :p
23:36 <deja_vu> tired and cold, spidey 
23:36 <deja_vu> and hungry
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23:36 <spidey> lol
23:36 <spidey> shit
23:36 <spidey> my game crashed :|
23:36 <deja_vu> :P
23:37  * deja_vu drops spidey on the floor to see if he can crash, too :D
23:37 <spidey> >.<
23:41 <deja_vu> can you?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yeah
23:45 <wrtlprnft> let's see what happens to that fortress server id
23:45 <wrtlprnft> *idea

Log from 2007-01-07:
--- Day changed Sun Jan 07 2007
00:01 <spidey> well
00:02 <spidey> i'm helping micro set it up
00:02 <spidey> heh
00:02 <spidey> i be damned if it has 32 rubber too :|
00:07 <spidey> http://www.microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=115026#115026   
00:07 <spidey> @ wrtlprnft 
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00:12 <spidey> well
00:12 <spidey> i would figure
00:12 <spidey> micro wants 20-22 for the fortress server
00:12 <spidey> >.<
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00:13 <Durka> #hello
00:13 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: linux: the choice of a GNU generation || (ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93)
00:14 <Durka> is Luci here?
00:16 <Durka> #last --from Lucifer_arma
00:16 <armabot> Durka: [23:15:01] * Lucifer_arma drops a php-nuke on spidey's house
00:16 <Durka> #time
00:16 <armabot> Durka: 12:23 AM, January 07, 2007
00:18 <Durka> so that was a long time ago?
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=115031#115031
00:19 <spidey> wrtlprnft, this fortress server is gonna suck
00:19 <spidey> he's trying to make it like mbc server
00:20 <spidey> 900 walls
00:20 <spidey> 11 rubber (was 20)
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't mind the idea of a high rubber server, if the settings make sense
00:20 <wrtlprnft> of course the wall length would need to stay about the same as with bf settings
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00:33  * Durka pokes joe
00:33 <Durka> #night
00:33 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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00:33 <spidey> #armaconfig shrink
00:33 <SuPeRTaRD> ~¿~ Zzz²
00:33 <spidey> #ping
00:33 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK: Distance multiplier in wall length calculation. All values are legal. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSETDistance: offset in wall length calculation. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSET_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) (1 more message)
00:33 <armabot> pong
00:34 <SuPeRTaRD> ping?
00:34 <SuPeRTaRD> PONG!
00:35  * Lucifer_arma writes on the chalkboard 100 times, "I will brush my hair every day!"
00:38 <SuPeRTaRD> hehe
00:38  * SuPeRTaRD screams at the teacher "I WILL WEAR A HAT EVERY DAY!" *
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <Hyper7> heya ST - how ya going ?
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> good
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> enjoying my vacation
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> gonna go ride bike in a sec
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> & share music
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> sneakernet
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> bmxnet
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> i d/l the RATM discography yesterday
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> have 1/4 of it on my watch
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> it was 2gigs
00:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft, microbuscity.com 4526 :p
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00:43 <wrtlprnft> 4526?!
00:43 <wrtlprnft> you mean 4536, right
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:43 <spidey> yea
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01:17 <spidey> the rubber was 22 before you joined :p
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01:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O
01:18 <spidey> yea i got him to lower it to 11
01:18 <spidey> 22 is to high even if it's 3 axis
01:19 <GodTodd> #last --from VanHayes --with www.
01:19 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2852 messages.
01:19 <GodTodd> blah
01:19 <GodTodd> #last --from VanHayes --with nation
01:19 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2855 messages.
01:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: feel like making a custom map for MBC so the axes aren't that screwed up?
01:19  * wrtlprnft doesn't
01:20 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Nations that what you were looking for GodTodd ?
01:20 <wrtlprnft> use the angles 0, -60, -120, -180, -240, -320
01:20 <wrtlprnft> in that order
01:20 <wrtlprnft> err, no, don't
01:20 <GodTodd> yeah :) thanks
01:20 <wrtlprnft> use the angles 20, -40, -100, -160, -220, -300
01:20 <wrtlprnft> that
01:21 <GodTodd> i thought i had bookmarked it but i guess not :/
01:23 <spidey> maybe
01:23 <spidey> but i dunno how to make maps :p
01:24 <wrtlprnft> wiki.
01:24 <wrtlprnft> whatever, i'll do it
01:24 <wrtlprnft> sec
01:29 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft/fortress/hexa_boring-1.aamap.xml
01:29 <wrtlprnft> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
01:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: fix it
01:30 <wrtlprnft> (hi there :D ! ;) :) O_o)
01:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: making your own civ now?
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01:48 <GodTodd> working on it, yeah
01:48 <GodTodd> Just need a few more city names and a flag
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02:16 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM AST; Tonight - Periods of rain ending late this evening then cloudy periods. Risk of thundershowers. Amount 2 to 4 mm. Fog patches dissipating overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h gusting to 50 becoming west 40 gusting to 60 (1 more message)
02:17 <Vanhayes> #more
02:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: overnight. Low plus 2.; Sunday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind west 40 km/h gusting to 60. High plus 4. Sunday night..a few clouds. Wind northwest 30 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low minus 6.; Monday - Snow mixed with rain. High 12.;
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02:54 <GodTodd> hmmm
03:00 <GodTodd> anyone successfully converted an svg file to the png files through freeciv's steps?
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> I hve
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> have
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> I
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> yes
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> have you got an svn client yet?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> I just spent some time setting up my data directory so I can do real svn updates to it :)
03:07 <GodTodd> yeah...i do
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> figured out how to do a checkout with it yet?
03:07 <GodTodd> you have a way to convert the svg file on there? ;)
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you put it in there, I could dig up the freeciv instructions and see if I can manage it :)
03:08 <GodTodd> erm...i checked out the arma trunk a while back...i could probably remember how
03:08 <GodTodd> it's something about the dev verson and ./convert_png <nationname>.svg
03:08 <GodTodd> version*
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> something like that.  I downloaded the dev version and built the tool, so I have it, I just need to remember how.
03:09 <GodTodd> ahhh
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> see, I made my flag with it.  :)  Got an svg from openclipart.org and did the freeciv stuff to it
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> the shield doesn't look very good though.  :/
03:10 <GodTodd> heh
03:11 <GodTodd> yeah...i got a cool free image and i want it for my flag
03:11 <GodTodd> :)
03:11 <GodTodd> already converted it to svg
03:12 <GodTodd> ok...what should i check out?
03:13 <GodTodd> and from where?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trunk
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's set up so you can just copy the directory over your freeciv data directory to use it
03:15 <GodTodd> Error: URL 'https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trun' doesn't exist  
03:15 <GodTodd> hmmm
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> needs a k
03:16 <GodTodd> yeah i saw that
03:16 <GodTodd> as soon as i pasted :)
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> you can take /msg's right?
03:18 <GodTodd> now...what do i do here?
03:18 <GodTodd> should be able to
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> you're away
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it?
03:18 <GodTodd> yeah
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's your password.  User is 'godtodd'
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> copy your flag svg to the flags subdirectory, and your nation ruleset to the nations
03:19 <GodTodd> k
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> you know, just copy the stuff in like you have it, probably :)
03:19 <GodTodd> ok...
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> then add, if you're using tortoiseSVN you probably just right-click and say "add to repository" or something like that
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> then commit somehow :)
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get prompted for username and password if you haven't already, provide those and a helpful commit message :)
03:22 <Vanhayes> anyone up for a game now?
03:25 <GodTodd> it rejected the auth info
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hang on
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> try again
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> make sure you accurately copied and pasted this time :)
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> err, wait, I know what I missed
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now try again :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: in a bit I'll be ready to either resume last night's or start a new one
03:30 <Vanhayes> ok, id be up for either
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> if it's just you and me and maybe one other, we should probably resume last night's.  Otherwise, we should start a new one and throw last night's away :/
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> the ruleset changes that are still waiting to be applied to my server conflict with last night's ruleset somewhat, so when I switch over, all old savegames that depend on it will be useless
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you get it to take a commit yet?
03:31 <GodTodd> yep
03:31 <GodTodd> committed both :)
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: for that matter, you willing to get an svn client?  :)
03:32 <Vanhayes> I'd have no idea how to use it if I did, why?
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> if we start a new game *and* godtodd wants to play it, then I need a few minutes to figure out how to generate his flag
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, since this ruleset is in svn, you could hack on it yourself.  :)  Mostly to maintain your civ, which I added to it
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> svn isn't hard to use, really.  I think for windows they have explorer plugins for it, and you only need to be able to add files and commit changes, and update of course
03:33 <Vanhayes> uh, sure ill give it a try, what do I need?
03:33 <GodTodd> yeah tortoise is easy to use
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you test this, by any chance?  :)
03:33 <GodTodd> no
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> tortoiseSVN
03:34 <GodTodd> can't generate the flag
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> probably just google 'svn windows"
03:34 <GodTodd> should i just test the ruleset?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> Did you test it without the flag?
03:34 <GodTodd> no
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, without the flag you get vanhayes's cool question mark flag
03:34 <GodTodd> i can...just a minute
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> #google tortoisesvn
03:36 <GodTodd> :/ it won't start a local game
03:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.10 seconds: tortoisesvn .tigris.org: <http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/>; TortoiseSVN | The coolest Interface to (Sub)Version Control: <http://tortoisesvn.net/>; Download TortoiseSVN | TortoiseSVN: <http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads>; TortoiseSVN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortoiseSVN>; SourceForge.net: Files: (2 more messages)
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> start a server in a console, then connect to it
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> that way you get the error message
03:37 <GodTodd> how do i do that?
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> start->run command->"cmd"
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> from a dos window :)
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> cd to the Program Files directory that contains freeciv and run it :)
03:41 <GodTodd> ok...now how do i connect to it?
03:41 <GodTodd> my ip?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> lan browser?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> it shows up in my lan browser
03:41 <GodTodd> refreshing
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> if it doesn't show, just connect to localhost :)
03:42 <GodTodd> k there it is
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> er, I just realized something
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> without adding your nation to nations.ruleset, it won't show
03:42 <GodTodd> no..it did
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> did it work?
03:51 <GodTodd> :/ 2: missing newline at EOF, or failed read
03:51 <GodTodd> 2:   file "data/nation/randorian.ruleset", line 73, pos 0, EOF
03:51 <GodTodd> comma or no comma for the last city?
03:51 <GodTodd> i tried both
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> comma for the last city
03:53 <GodTodd> nm
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed there's no blank line after the last city
03:53 <GodTodd> it needs a blank line
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> add a couple of lines :)
03:54 <GodTodd> does it randomize? or go down the city list in order?
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> randomizes, I think.  You can specify terrain for each city if you want
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> personally I like every city being different each game :)
03:54 <GodTodd> yeah it's random
03:55 <GodTodd> yeah
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> Vangaynus is a big naval city in last night's game
03:55 <GodTodd> heh
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not completely random though, because the first cities listed are generlaly the first ones picked
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> and the very first city seems to always be my capital
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget to commit your changes :)
03:55 <GodTodd> #dict medieval
03:56 <GodTodd> #dict midieval
03:56 <GodTodd> blah...why can't i spell tonight?
03:56 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: timed out
03:56 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: timed out
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think the first is right
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell medieval
03:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell medeival
03:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: medieval
03:58 <GodTodd> yah...it's cool
03:58 <GodTodd> went with European :D
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody care if I make last night's savegame obsolete?
04:00 <Vanhayes> not really
04:00 <GodTodd> ok...tested and re-committed
04:01 <GodTodd> now...when you make my flag conversion....that goes into svn and i can just check it out and copy it over for local play too?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> yep
04:01 <GodTodd> cool :)
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, if you just copy that svn checkout over your data directory in your local installation, you should be fine to just work with it there
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> you'll also get the tileset that has actual graphics for everything
04:02 <GodTodd> i already have a 'davetiles' that i use locally
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> but the iso tileset is barely started
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the one I use.  :)
04:02 <GodTodd> yep :)
04:06 <GodTodd> this gives me a chance to work with svn too...in case i ever need it for development work
04:06 <GodTodd> heh
04:17 <Vanhayes> well I checked it out, not sure what im supposed to do now tho
04:19 <GodTodd> checked it out as in checked out the repo?
04:20 <GodTodd> or checked out the program? :)
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04:20 <Vanhayes> the repo
04:20 <Vanhayes> well both I guess
04:20 <Vanhayes> hey mom
04:20 <Your_mom_arma> hey
04:20 <GodTodd> ok...so now you put your files into the correct subdirectories, then right-click and select svn commit
04:20 <GodTodd> hi mom
04:21 <GodTodd> er
04:21 <GodTodd> you have to right click and add first
04:21 <GodTodd> heh
04:23 <luke-jr> civ?
04:23 <luke-jr> BTW, darcs is *really* ideal for the civ data
04:24 <luke-jr> unless Luci really wants to host an open Svn repo for anyone :p
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> I have to add Vanhayes (hi there!) to the thing first
04:27 <Your_mom_arma> what are we talking about?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: your flag is fucked up
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> too tall :/
04:28 <GodTodd> k
04:28 <GodTodd> how tall should it be?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> I committed the generated flag, so you can update to get it
04:28 <GodTodd> not a problem to fix it :)
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> Flags often come in multiple aspect ratios. A 3:2 ratio looks best for Freeciv. 2:1 or 4:3 are also common (many current flags use these ratios). For a flag that is "supposed" to be 2:1 or 4:3, you can often find a 3:2 version as well. Pick the one that looks best.
04:29 <GodTodd> yeah...i did 3:2
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, van's flag is in there now
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe it got fucked up in conversion
04:30 <luke-jr> hmm
04:30 <luke-jr> any idea why a DVI cable seems to not work?
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's broke?
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I just msg'd your password, user is 'vanhayes'
04:31 <GodTodd> why's my flag got a red x on it?
04:31 <GodTodd> :/
04:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: just bought it :/\
04:32 <luke-jr> GodTodd: cuz you're RedX
04:32 <GodTodd> not
04:32 <GodTodd> am not*
04:34 <luke-jr> I say you
04:35 <luke-jr> are
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, todd
04:35 <luke-jr> so therefore
04:35 <luke-jr> it must be true
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> hahaha
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> because it's the IE "Linked image can't be found" graphic
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> or firefox, or whatever
04:35 <luke-jr> lol
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> go redownload it and commit the right one :)
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> Van's civ looks sane, and we theoretically already know luke's works
04:37 <GodTodd> i did
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I better check that again real quick
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> did you commit it?  Mine says I'm at the latest revision
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: did you update your flag?
04:38 <luke-jr> update??
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, last night I saw a different flag, tonight I see a red cross
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I've trimmed the ruleset's available nations to 29
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> anybody have any normal civs they'd like to see a lot?
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to have to wade through a list of 60 civs to find the one I'm always going to use
04:41 <GodTodd> ok...recommitted
04:41 <GodTodd> i shrunk it a bit
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
04:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: fixed
04:42 <Your_mom_arma> vikings and america
04:42 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: what'd you see last night?
04:42 <luke-jr> it was always a brown cross on white
04:42 <Vanhayes> it was a checkered flag
04:42 <Your_mom_arma> i'll make my own civ eventually
04:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I'd like to see the Japanese available still
04:43 <Vanhayes> roman, chinese, canada
04:43  * luke-jr saw the cross last night just fine
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> er, the svg still says "linked image not found" in inkscape
04:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> what do i need to copy over to instal this ongoing mod properly?
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I see what's wrong with it
04:44 <Lucifer_arma>   <g
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> "Speak Randorian Or Die" nice :D
04:44 <Lucifer_arma>      inkscape:label="Layer 1"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>      inkscape:groupmode="layer"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>      id="layer1">
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>     <image
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        y="175.79062"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        x="151.42857"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        id="image1938"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        height="226"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        width="339"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        sodipodi:absref="C:\randorian.jpg"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        xlink:href="randorian.jpg" />
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>   </g>
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> for some reason your program is just linking to the image on disk
04:45 <GodTodd> i'm using inkscape :P
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, the broken link image is coming from inkscape then
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> the convert_png script uses inkscape, iirc
04:46 <GodTodd> hmmm
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I installed inkscape
04:46 <GodTodd> yeah
04:46 <GodTodd> me too
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> can you open the jpg with the gimp and save it to svg?
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> can the gimp save in svg?
04:46 <GodTodd> the gimp?
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  It'll open svg, I don't know if it'll save it
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> or you could add the jpg to svn also and I'll hack the svg file to point at it
04:48 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: erm
04:48 <luke-jr> you can't convert a pixel image to a vector image...
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> right....
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> yes you can
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> you just have to find the right tool to do it
04:48 <luke-jr> not really
04:49 <luke-jr> pixel images lack the details vector images mandate
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> really
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean you can't do it
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.enetzwerk.de/svg/index2.html
04:51 <luke-jr> what? you're going to pull the missing details out of a magic hat?
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: use that link to run the conversion if you haven't already found something.  :)
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: well, you're not going to get anything done throwing your arms up in the air, wussing out, and saying "I can't"
04:52 <luke-jr> why are you even messing w/ SVG? :p
04:52 <luke-jr> Freeciv 2.0 doesn't use it
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> converting from pixel-based images to vector-based images is a matter of trying to model the pixel-based image mathematically so it can be converted to vectors
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> programs have been able to do that since the Amiga was out
04:53 <GodTodd> try the new version...
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> the primary problem is that you lose accuracy, so a converted image usually needs to be retouched by hand to gain the accuracy at high resolutions
04:53 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: that webapp just makes a link
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> still the same, GodTodd (hi there!) 
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> did you commit the jpg too?
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> commit the jpg with it :)
04:53 <luke-jr> which is ironic, seeing that it says "you can embed them directly .. without an external link"
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, at low resolutions, which is what we're dealing with, we shouldn't lose any accuracy, and we'll probably gain some
04:55 <GodTodd> k jpg is committed
04:57 <luke-jr> not if you're going jpg->svg->png
04:57 <luke-jr> especially if the svg is just a link to the jpg
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, update now if you want.  :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> flag looks right in the server now
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully nobody will confuse it with my flag, both of them being dark and all
04:59 <GodTodd> haha
04:59 <GodTodd> hope not :)
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I still had to resize the page to the flag, so you'll want to update and use the svg I saved for further work
05:00 <GodTodd> k
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> so, who's left that wants a custom civ?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> american, viking, and japanese are all still on the list
05:08 <GodTodd> hrmm...i copied it all over and now it closes when loading the rulesets :/
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> ?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> run it in a console to get the error message :)
05:10 <GodTodd> i did
05:10 <GodTodd> just says removing player
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know man, I tested it all just now and it worked
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> lemme try a local game
05:10 <GodTodd> GodTodd: '/start'
05:10 <GodTodd> Starting game.
05:10 <GodTodd> >
05:10 <GodTodd> 2: Lost connection: GodTodd from PC129202628113.tx.rr.com (player GodTodd).
05:10 <GodTodd> 2: Removing player GodTodd.
05:10 <GodTodd> Last player has disconnected: will need to restart.
05:10 <GodTodd> >
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> did you restart the server?
05:11 <spidey> hmmmm
05:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
05:12 <spidey> -j for bz2 right?
05:12 <GodTodd> yeah i did
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> right
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> so after restarting, what happens?
05:12 <GodTodd> i copied the repo over to the data directory
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that "right" was directed at you
05:12 <spidey> k
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> after restarting?  did you restart since copying the repo over?
05:13 <GodTodd> yes
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> did you stop the server?
05:13 <GodTodd> same error again
05:13 <GodTodd> yep
05:13 <GodTodd> same error again
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> check your tasklist and make sure no server's running
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> if there's a server running that's ended a game, you should have that happen
05:14 <GodTodd> nope
05:14 <GodTodd> no open server
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> any loose freeciv process?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be named civclient or civserver, I think.  :)  that's what they're named in linux, anyway
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, are you running the warclient?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah
05:17 <GodTodd> and no, no loose civ anything
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> copying the repo shouldn't have hurt anything unless doing so deleted the directories that were there originally
05:18 <GodTodd> shouldn't have
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't delete the directories that were there originally, did you?
05:18 <GodTodd> i just did a copy
05:18 <GodTodd> nope
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> look in data/nation and make sure there's a bunch of shit :)
05:19 <GodTodd> there is
05:19 <GodTodd> i've checked a few of the directories :)
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, that's not an error message
05:19 <GodTodd> i know :/
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> and the thing works for me here
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> reboot?  I don't know
05:21 <GodTodd> heh
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> if you're running the warclient, there shouldn't be any compatibility problems with the data files themselves
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> svn should be taking care of end-of-line differences
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> besides which, the freeciv developers have to deal with the same thing
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> and dammit, they all work here
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> you did update, right?  you're sure you're up to date with the repo?
05:22 <GodTodd> yep
05:23 <GodTodd> bahaha
05:23 <GodTodd> did you update the ruleset in like the last minute?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> what was it?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> I might have
05:23 <GodTodd> cuz i did another repo update and now it works fine
05:23 <GodTodd> :P
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:24 <GodTodd> cool :) i can play locally with me very own civ now 
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, you have to either hack the default nations.ruleset or make sure to set rulesetdir :)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> no biggee, of course
05:25 <GodTodd> hrmm?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you start a server from a terminal, you can do -r data/dave.serv to get a server just like mine
05:25 <GodTodd> i just tested it locally :)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> if it works for you, fine.  :)  That doesn't work for me, though.
05:26 <GodTodd> heh
05:26 <Vanhayes> so are we almost ready to play?
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and the updated ruleset, the whole reason I wanted to trash last night's game, has nuclear icbms and missile launchers and crap
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: did you happen to copy the svn checkout over your data dir, by any chance?
05:27 <GodTodd> did you just put that in?
05:27 <GodTodd> the ruleset changes, i mean?
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because if you do, and you use davestiles for your tileset, you can have graphics for the new units
05:27 <Vanhayes> uh maybe, im not sure :/
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no, I put those in awhile ago, I just hadn't set up my server to use them yet
05:27 <GodTodd> you in win, hayes?
05:27 <GodTodd> ahhh ok
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> my server should be all set now, with balloons even :)
05:28 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm a grab a smoke, then start the server
05:28 <GodTodd> k
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> I want to try to kickstart this game as much as possible too.  Maybe lots more money?
05:28 <GodTodd> i'll be back in 10-15....need to gas up the car
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05:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this ruleset has nuclear icbms, missile launchers, and balloons
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> and infantry
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> infantry are between riflemen and MI, so you no longer feel dumb building riflemen when you know you have machine guns
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> still has nuclear bombers, which are probably pretty worthless.  The one I tested attacked an engineer on its way to the city I was attacking with it, so I missed it.  :/
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> spidey says it just killed itself, and I didn't see it again, so I wouldn't suggest building a bunch of nuclear bombers without testing one first
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: the only thing environmentalism gives you is solar plants, which you don't get until after you should've already built power plants
05:50 <Fonkay> ok
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05:55 <spidey> it's true
05:55 <spidey> you guys up for freeciv tonight?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> luci what do i have to do for the units to display properly?
05:55 <spidey> i promise i won't run off this time :D
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, waiting for godtodd to come back
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> he had to run an errand
05:55 <GodTodd> back now
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: what do you mean?
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> you mean to show the units I added to the ruleset?
05:56 <GodTodd> good thing i filled up...ran out of gas as i pulled into the pump heh
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> I always put that off until I'm on my way to school before a test, then I get real anxious about running out of gas
05:56 <GodTodd> heh
05:57  * spidey goes to find a phpbb2 patch so he can get sub-forums
05:57 <GodTodd> mine wouldn't have made it that far
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> do i just copy the davestile folder into my civ folder, or will it auto install?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: what you should do is checkout the ruleset from my svn repo and copy it over your freeciv data dir
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> after you check it out and copy it over your freeciv data dir, you'll have "davestiles" as a choice of tilesets in your client.  Just choose that.
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's not the isometric view, and the isometric tileset doesn't have the new units in it yet, so if you're addicted to the isometric view, you're out of luck right now
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05:59 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: spidey (hi there!) 
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> who else is playing tonight?
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05:59 <spidey> ?
05:59 <spidey> man...
05:59 <spidey> i just started googling :<
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> about to start the server :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> well keep googling, I'll ping you again when I start it.  waiting for vanhayes to respond now
05:59 <GodTodd> now...if i change something in my ruleset...is there anything you have to do to incorporate it?
06:00 <Vanhayes> im playing ya
06:00 <spidey> count me in :D
06:00 <Vanhayes> might have to cut out in3-4 hours, but maybe not
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, commit it?  Make sure you're editing davesrules, or you add your own ruleset to the repo :)
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you playing this one?
06:00 <GodTodd> right...like if i change a city name and commit it to the repo...is that all that needs done?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to update, but that's pretty much it, yeah
06:01 <GodTodd> ok
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's all *you* need to do
06:01 <GodTodd> heh
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you should test it.  I'd hate to update and find my server's broke because you added a comma to the end of your nation file
06:01 <GodTodd> haha
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, started the server
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: here's the ping you wanted :)
06:02 <spidey> ?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> do we want to setup as teams?
06:02 <spidey> amybe
06:03 <spidey> maybe
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> how many people are playing?
06:03 <spidey> i just want to reasearch or something
06:03 <spidey> not in a war mood :D
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm counting 5 so far
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, me, van, todd, and mom
06:03 <GodTodd> k...update my ruleset :P
06:03 <GodTodd> had to change a city name
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> man, I started the server already
06:03 <GodTodd> bah
06:03 <spidey> we need luke
06:04 <spidey> and can we do 15 size?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> just changed one city name?  just watch for it :)
06:04 <spidey> or 12 or something inbetween
06:04 <GodTodd> i will :P
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> only if we go with very few ais
06:04 <spidey> sure, and set middistance
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I don't like the huge maps is because the ais expand until there's no more room :/
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> it ws supposedly set last time, but check it
06:04 <spidey> is there a way to set max cities?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> everyone connect, we should be talking in the waiting room
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com port 5555 (as usual)
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: luke-jr (hi there!) ?
06:07 <spidey> Vanhayes, luke-jr (die!!!) ?
06:07 <Vanhayes> coming
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: wanna try a team game?
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> umm
06:18 <Vanhayes> ack
06:18 <spidey> wtf was that
06:18 <GodTodd> well holy fuck
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> that was funnier than shit, and completely todd's fault
06:18 <Vanhayes> uh was that my nation?
06:18 <GodTodd> i broke it?
06:18 <GodTodd> :D
06:18 <spidey> GodTodd, you suck
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe not
06:19 <GodTodd> oh...i think its cuz of my updates
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
06:19 <GodTodd> your server didn't have them
06:19 <GodTodd> and my client does
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:19 <GodTodd> oops
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yep, van broke it
06:19 <GodTodd> van did?
06:19 <Vanhayes> heh go me
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> dammit van, don't leave a comma at the end of your city list!
06:19 <GodTodd> whew
06:19 <Vanhayes> heh oops
06:20 <GodTodd> and PUT A BLANK LINE!!!111!!!11!!
06:20 <GodTodd> :D
06:20 <Vanhayes> I think I had a few blank lines
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> we all broke it, i hit the button after all... and so did all of you
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, connect
06:20 <GodTodd> bahahaha
06:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: teams suck?
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> ping
08:11 <luke-jr> ma is a user on channels: #armagetron
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/).
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is an identified user.
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma has been
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08:12 <luke-jr> annels: #armagetron
08:12 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is online via irc.f
08:13 <luke-jr> [07:13:15] <luke-jr> Pause 
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08:13 <luke-jr> [07:13:15] <luke-jr> annels: #armagetron
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08:13 <Your_mom_arma> ?
08:13 <luke-jr> [07:13:33] <luke-jr> [07:13:15] <luke-jr> Pause 
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08:16 <Your_mom_arma> luke you comming back?
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08:18 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: Ping
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08:56 <Durka> #hello
08:56 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Old robot: What are ye doing? || Bender: We're whaling on the original were-car, which is you, you jerk. || Old robot: Ye think me be he? || Bender: Si. || Old robot: Nee. I mean, no.
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09:12 <luke-jr> hi
09:12 <luke-jr> I changed from dual VGA cables (+adapter) to 1 VGA, 1 DVI :p
09:12 <luke-jr> since apparently that needs a reboot
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> umm
09:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
09:13 <luke-jr> ...
09:13 <GodTodd> ok...who crashed it
09:13 <spidey> oh, that explains it
09:13 <spidey> xD
09:13 <GodTodd> ?
09:13 <Vanhayes> so that wasnt just me?
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> i thought the same thing van
09:14 <GodTodd> me too
09:14 <GodTodd> heh
09:14 <Vanhayes> I thought my connection dropped like it does so often
09:14 <spidey> lucis wife rebooted his server again :D
09:15 <Vanhayes> damn, did luci say he did make it save every 2 rounds, or he Was Going to make it save every 3 rounds?
09:15 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know why we would have team games, this is how almost all our games end
09:15 <Vanhayes> 2*
09:15 <GodTodd> haha
09:15 <Vanhayes> so maby we will acyually finish one
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09:15 <Your_mom_arma> wb
09:16 <GodTodd> speak of the devil
09:16 <GodTodd> :)
09:16 <Vanhayes> hello
09:16 <Lucifer_arma_> weird shit that
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> shhh
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> he aint the only devil round her
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> e
09:16 <GodTodd> or round her ;)
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> and he appears
09:17 <Lucifer_arma_> y'all gonna reconnect?
09:17 <GodTodd> trying to
09:17 <Lucifer_arma_> I set a really high timeout when I saw all of you get disconnected
09:17 <Vanhayes> cant reconnect
09:17 <GodTodd> it's not responding properly
09:18 <Lucifer_arma_> ppp-70-244-120-143.dsl.austtx.swbell.net
09:18 <Lucifer_arma_> try connecting to that instead
09:18 <SuPeRTaRD> i';m lit
09:19 <SuPeRTaRD> ¶8)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma_> according to no-ip, my ip address didn't change
09:19 <Lucifer_arma_> hmmmm
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> type //say $ip
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> mebbe
09:20 <Lucifer_arma_> ok, try again, it looks like my laptop ip changed
09:20 <GodTodd> der we go
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> mebbe not
09:21 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:23 <SuPeRTaRD> ~¿~ Zzz²
09:25 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:26 <luke-jr> sigh
09:26 <luke-jr> I'm tired
09:27 <luke-jr> if my PC issues didn't get people bored of the game, that crash did
09:28 <luke-jr> think it's over now ...
09:28 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:28 <Lucifer_arma_> it wasn't a crash, luke
09:29 <luke-jr> downtime then
09:29 <Durka> #luke
09:29 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
09:29 <Lucifer_arma_> for some reason completely unknown to me, I lost network
09:29 <Lucifer_arma_> don't know if it was laptop losing wireless or internet
09:29 <luke-jr> #roulette
09:29 <armabot> luke-jr: *click*
09:29 <luke-jr> well, I'm not planning to rejoin
09:29 <luke-jr> too late
09:29 <luke-jr> need to get some sleepies
09:30 <luke-jr> or smth
09:30 <luke-jr> maybe ramen
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09:30 <luke-jr> bye luci #1
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
09:33 <Durka> #roulette
09:33 <armabot> Durka: *click*
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, last call
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09:44 <Durka> #night
09:44 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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10:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: go tell the mbc people to use http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/hexa_boring-1.aamap.xml
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12:27 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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12:28 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, that ruleset just isn't for human vs human :/
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> ?
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is, if our positions were reversed
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. they got the poles and we got the temperates
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> but we should remember that for the next game and maybe make the whole planet temperate
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, I think I was in the weakest spot, and I couldn't expand because mordor was there
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> not without building ships, anyway.  Maybe I should've done that
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> by the time I was fighting mordor seriously, van was there
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12:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you looked closely at mordor, you saw it was basically more of the same as I already had
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> mostly ice, with a few more cities that were temperate
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> sucks.  should've spawned us where we could actually rail to each other.  As it was, we were a team in name only, we couldn't help each other
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> and if we're going against a team of 3, we need to be able to help each other
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
12:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long.
12:36 <spidey> yea
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> then the faster city growth thing helped them more than it did me.  :/  When someone, I think it was van, was complaining about 8-9 point cities and pollution,
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> my biggest city was size 5, most were still hovering around 3
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> if we hadn't done teams, my position was doable, and winnable
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I *knew* they were coming, and I knew that when they came, I needed to have absorbed Mordor already
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> and not just absorbed Mordor, I needed enough lead time to build factories, SAM, and maybe some power plants in Mordor
12:39 <spidey> heh
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> and to do all that, I needed to have already built that shit in my own cities, but I couldn't crack 20 shields in any city without building mfg plants
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> that really *really* sucked
12:39 <spidey> i think i could have held them off
12:39 <spidey> if i stuck to my 10 nukes, 20 missles and a couple boats of troops
12:39 <spidey> i could have ran van over in no time
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> you were in a better spot.  :)  You had more temperate land available, and you didn't lose most of your engineers in the glaciers
12:39 <spidey> i lost 3 and a settler
12:39 <spidey> :/
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> and most importantly, you had room to expand
12:40 <spidey> lots of iy
12:40 <spidey> lol
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I had 1 engineer on my mainland
12:40 <spidey> it*
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> also, the last couple of games where we started with 50 techs, I started with industrialization
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> had that happened this time, I would've built factories first.  :)
12:41 <spidey> heh
12:41 <spidey> we shouldn't have nukes in a human game
12:41 <spidey> it turns into a nuke fest
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> by the time I figured out we were immune to global warming, I'd already built like 4-5 hydro plants and gone off on a recycling tangent
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> hadn't built any recycling plants yet, but I got the tech so I could if I needed to
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I could've spent that research better
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> although, the missile launchers did nicely against the icbms vanhayes were hitting them with :)
12:42 <spidey> missle launcher kills nukes?
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're aegis
12:43 <spidey> cool
12:43 <spidey> well, i'ma goto sleep now and sleep all day instead of going later and sleeping all day and night
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> ko
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12:58 <epsy> hi
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13:08 <epsy> aww
13:08 <epsy> there's not the sty-ball/CTF/-ect DTD on the repo
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13:52 <epsy> back
13:52 <epsy> wrtlprnft, still 0 lol
13:52 <epsy> (tron.avi)
13:53 <wrtlprnft> haha
13:54 <wrtlprnft> the german one i'm downloading is 672 MiB of 699 MiB
13:54 <wrtlprnft> 4 chunks missing
13:54 <epsy> heh
13:54 <wrtlprnft> and a share ratio of 3.35 :/
13:55 <wrtlprnft> plus i downloaded the french one, too, by accident
13:56 <epsy> lol
13:56 <wrtlprnft> ed2k://|file|Tron.avi|667301888|34C962D6FA8B2CA9B857C33649FE31A1|/
13:56 <wrtlprnft> try this one
13:57 <epsy> huh
13:57 <epsy> cant find it
13:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:57 <wrtlprnft> ed2k://|file|Tron.avi|667301888|34C962D6FA8B2CA9B857C33649FE31A1|/|sources,85.233.38.240:4662|/
13:57 <wrtlprnft> try this
13:57 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue which link is the right one
13:58 <madmax|pt> the first one works here
13:58 <epsy> when i enter it in 'ed2k links handling' and hit 'send' there's nothing happening
13:58  * madmax|pt is downloading
13:58 <wrtlprnft> umm, wait a few seconds
13:59 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-07-135951.png
13:59 <epsy> all at 0 lol
13:59 <wrtlprnft> be patient and keep amule running!
13:59 <epsy> hehe
14:00 <madmax|pt> you have international filters on?
14:00 <wrtlprnft> there'S a score you get if you're on another client's upload queue
14:00 <epsy> ah
14:00 <wrtlprnft> the longer you're waiting the higher it gets
14:00 <epsy> some are downlmoading mac osx now <<
14:00 <epsy> ><
14:00 <wrtlprnft> go away with windows vista
14:00 <wrtlprnft> i don't want that crap anywhere near my home
14:01 <epsy> well, i need it for IE7... :/
14:01 <wrtlprnft> #g ies4linux
14:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:01 <epsy> it's not same as ie7
14:01 <wrtlprnft> works just fine with ie 5.5 to ie 7
14:01 <epsy> lol
14:01 <wrtlprnft> err, 5 to 7
14:01 <wrtlprnft> that is, 5, 5.5, 6, and 7
14:01 <epsy> and some softwares i cant get to run with wine...
14:02  * epsy has an infected qemu windows image
14:02 <epsy> really
14:03 <epsy> cant get firefox to run...IE reboots the VM when downloading something...i cant change account propreties...
14:03 <epsy> lol
14:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/idness.png
14:04 <epsy> lol
14:04 <wrtlprnft> ie7 can't display PNG images correctly, but you get an idea on how it looks
14:04 <epsy> i know...but it's ie after all :(
14:05 <madmax|pt> no png? o_O
14:05 <epsy> and i cant keeping basing my work on dummy CSS standart comparison tables...
14:06 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-05-155526.png lol
14:07 <wrtlprnft> beurks
14:07 <epsy> yeah i know i dont like that damn default theme...
14:07 <epsy> will put clearlooks instead in some days...
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 3 chunks!
14:08 <wrtlprnft> and 2 are currently downloading
14:08 <wrtlprnft> 477 clients on my queue… i seem to be popular :s
14:11 <wrtlprnft> epsy: what's the port on your client you configured?
14:12 <epsy> tcp: 4662 udp: 4672
14:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:13 <wrtlprnft> i can't seem to be able to add you as a friend :s
14:14 <wrtlprnft> to give you an extra download slot
14:15 <wrtlprnft> bam!
14:15 <wrtlprnft> Gtk-ERROR **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 2447 (gtk_container_propagate_expose): assertion failed: (child->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container))
14:15 <wrtlprnft> f*
14:15 <wrtlprnft> great.
14:15 <epsy> heh
14:15 <epsy> back to x56?
14:16 <epsy> back to x86?
14:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:16 <epsy> instead of using the ~x86 version...
14:16 <wrtlprnft> now i'm at the back of all queues again
14:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, is there any point in using an unstable version if this one already keeps crashing?
14:18 <epsy> well you said that you was using the ~x86
14:18 <epsy> wrtlprnft, epsy@jaim.at
14:18 <epsy> my jid...
14:18 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:18 <epsy> Jabber...
14:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:19 <wrtlprnft> but i don't want to chat to you, i want to give you a higher score on my client :P
14:19 <epsy> that's what we're doing for days here :P
14:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but why would i need jabber for that
14:23 <wrtlprnft> epsy: you should be getting at least 17 KiB/s now on that tron download
14:24 <epsy> 16.1 Ko/s
14:24 <epsy> 16.1 KB/s
14:24 <wrtlprnft> something around that :D
14:25 <madmax|pt> hmm, what are your nicks?
14:25 <epsy> epsy
14:25 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: don't have one
14:25 <wrtlprnft> use my ip from /whois
14:26 <wrtlprnft> and the default port
14:26  * epsy sanded you some messages over emule...
14:27 <madmax|pt> found you wrtlprnft, but i dont see epsy ><
14:27 <wrtlprnft> got them
14:27 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: mind giving me your ip?
14:27 <epsy> well
14:27 <epsy> gmpf**
14:28 <epsy> now i've fixed my nick
14:29 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: enabled that friend slot thingy for you, too :)
14:29 <madmax|pt> i guess there's only 3 people using amule, which is us
14:30 <epsy> lol
14:30 <epsy> madmax|pt, nick?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> ?!
14:30 <wrtlprnft> epsy: madmax|pt 
14:30 <madmax|pt> yep, i did it too
14:30 <wrtlprnft> my queue has quite a few amule people
14:31 <wrtlprnft> 4 at least, + you 2
14:32 <madmax|pt> er, my sources show 3
14:32 <wrtlprnft> note that i have other files, too
14:33 <madmax|pt> but i guess epsy is actually missing there
14:33 <epsy> ...
14:33 <madmax|pt> ah, im just looking at Tron.avi sources
14:33 <wrtlprnft> dunno, can't view the sources anymore
14:33 <wrtlprnft> the file is complete for me
14:34 <madmax|pt> lol
14:34 <madmax|pt> have you seen it?
14:34 <madmax|pt> good quality?
14:34 <epsy> madmax|pt, ip???
14:39  * madmax|pt just found out how to add friends by ip
14:39 <madmax|pt> heh
14:42 <epsy> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/02/1641259
14:43 <wrtlprnft> kde rocks :)
14:44 <epsy> ^^
14:45 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-07-144622.png kde still cant show that ^-^
14:47 <wrtlprnft> show what?
14:47 <epsy> a desk like that :)
14:48 <wrtlprnft> i don't see anything that you couldn't configure
14:48 <epsy> or resize an image to display it as  bg...
14:48 <wrtlprnft> err
14:48 <wrtlprnft> kde can resize BGs, of course!
14:48 <epsy> see the bg here : http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2006-12-12-214018_1280x1024_scrot.png
14:49 <wrtlprnft> you can see that it's resized
14:49 <epsy> now see the original: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38947505/
14:50 <wrtlprnft> crazy…
14:58 <epsy> ggtg
14:58 <epsy> *gtg*
14:58 <epsy> cya
14:58 <wrtlprnft> cya
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6719 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Updating MacOS project
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15:46  * wrtlprnft is watching tron now :)
15:51 <madmax|pt> good quality wrtlprnft ?
15:53 <wrtlprnft> it's ok
15:53 <wrtlprnft> but i'm watching the german one
15:53 <wrtlprnft> fills about 2/3 of the width of my screen, so i don't need to scale it a lot
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6720 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (15 files in 7 dirs): General work on new SWIG/Ruby stuff
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16:23 <Arma547> xD
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16:28 <Sticky> hay guys
16:28 <MaZuffeR> hello
16:31 <wrtlprnft> woha
16:31 <wrtlprnft> that lightcycle part is cool :)
16:31 <wrtlprnft> miles away from arma
16:32 <Sticky> lol(watching tron??)
16:32 <Sticky> i cant decide is it crap or great
16:33 <wrtlprnft> grest
16:33 <wrtlprnft> *great
16:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:33 <wrtlprnft> is that a pacman?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> on that big map :)
16:34 <Sticky> the graphics are a bit laughable...but it is 20 years old
16:35 <Sticky> and the end of game baddie just looks like a spinning top
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17:22 <madmax|pt> watch out for spoilers
17:23 <Sticky> hay rico
17:23 <Sticky> thought you didnt use irc
17:26 <wrtlprnft> actually the graphics are nice :)
17:26 <wrtlprnft> they aren't supposed to look real
17:30 <Rico> hello :P (wasnt here before, just logged in and fucked off)
17:43 <Sticky> Rico: what time we meeting tonight 
17:45 <Sticky> i see we are nolonger on x fortress server
17:48 <Rico> oO
17:48 <Rico> sec
17:49 <Rico> ah yea, we play on z-mans
17:49 <Rico> less laggy there anyway, but were still meeting in our server at 7.45 
17:57 <Sticky> ok
17:58 <epsy> back
17:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, 70 of 636...
17:59 <Rico> nice ideas in that post, stick
17:59 <wrtlprnft> epsy: that's something at least
18:00 <wrtlprnft> now you have something to share, so you'll get higher scores with people
18:01 <epsy> i've already some files ;)
18:01 <epsy> *some other files 
18:01 <epsy> k
18:01 <epsy> err
18:03 <madmax|pt> er, didnt set the friend slot for you, its uploading now
18:03 <wrtlprnft> i can't find you
18:04 <epsy> who?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you
18:04 <epsy> ah
18:04 <wrtlprnft>  [18:02:52] *** Connecting to Client ***
18:05 <epsy> so?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ok, set the friend slot for you
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18:06 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: for you, too
18:06 <Sticky> yeah
18:06 <Sticky> Rico: not sure if others will give it a try
18:07 <Rico> hmm
18:07 <Rico> hopefully
18:11 <epsy> k at least it's in french :)
18:11 <epsy> "le cycle lumineux"
18:11 <epsy> poor translation
18:12 <madmax|pt> ack
18:12 <epsy> of lightcycle
18:12 <madmax|pt> its in french?
18:12 <epsy> mine is
18:12 <epsy> but the title shows it
18:12 <epsy> "Tron - LE VRAI - Vf
18:12 <epsy> lol
18:12 <madmax|pt> er...
18:15 <madmax|pt> why do other countries dont keep the original voices and use subtitles?
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6721 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Added rough enum support, cleaning up required.
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6722 / (7 files in 3 dirs): Made enum test work on gcc 3.3. It now is even more crude, darn.
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6723 /:
18:20 <epsy> i didn't found any french subtitles...
18:20 <epsy> in other countries TV shows often subtitled english films...
18:20 <epsy> but not in france :/
18:21 <madmax|pt> spoken in french then?
18:22 <epsy> yeah
18:22 <epsy> doubled...
18:23  * madmax|pt got an episode of Grey's Anatomy spoken in italian :/
18:24 <madmax|pt> that pretty much ruins the interpretation imho
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18:24 <Rico> whats greys anatomy?
18:24 <madmax|pt> tv show
18:25 <Legit> hi rica
18:25 <Rico> oki
18:25 <Rico> hi noob
18:25 <madmax|pt> Rico: http://tinyurl.com/uv8zt
18:25 <Rico> ill brb, off to fuck about with some maps. later
18:28 <Sticky> cos you would have to pay someone to dub
18:28 <Sticky> and dubing looks and sounds stupid
18:28 <Legit> how many hours til ladle?
18:30 <madmax|pt>  /script load tinyurl.pl
18:30 <madmax|pt> er
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18:52 <epsy> (damn
18:52 <epsy> (i preview it and where it stops?
18:52 <epsy> just before the computer take that guy
18:52 <epsy> lol
18:53 <epsy> aah computers...
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6724 / (5 files in 3 dirs):
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: References to enums work. But you can't instantiate templates with enum
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: parameter.
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18:59 <Durka> #hello
18:59 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: When a fellow says, "It ain't the money but the principle of the thing," || it's the money. || -- Kim Hubbard
19:00 <Rico> hi dorka
19:00 <Durka> alex do /join #arma-ladle
19:02 <Durka> #luke
19:02 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
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19:03 <epsy> hi
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19:37 <Durka> hi epsy
19:38 <epsy> :)
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19:49 <i2020> hi all
19:49 <epsy> hi
19:49 -!- Sticky [n=Sticky@80-41-114-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
19:49 <i2020> i am still confused about timings.... what time is it now gmt?
19:50 <i2020> is it 18:50?
19:50 <deja_vu> Sun Jan  7 18:51:10 UTC 2007
19:51 <deja_vu> ;)
19:51 <i2020> and presumably utc is the same as gmt?
19:51 <i2020> i should probably write it all in terms of utc instead of gmt...
19:55 <Durka> 2020202020202020202020
19:55 <Durka> 40040404040404040440
19:55 <i2020> hi durka
19:55 <Durka> we play u in fort café right?
19:55 <i2020> sounds good by me
19:55 <madmax|pt> hi 2020
19:55 -!- Stempo [n=47d7799a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
19:55 <Durka> yo max
19:55 <Durka> long time no see
19:56 <madmax|pt> hello
19:56 <i2020> hi
19:56 <i2020> you playing tonight
19:57 <i2020> ?
19:59 <madmax|pt> no
19:59  * Stempo pokes Durka
20:00 <Durka> hi genki
20:00 <Stempo> hey
20:00 <Stempo> wanna catfight?
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20:01 <i2020> oh well, one of the best players standing off the grid.... what a shame
20:01 <Rico> hello
20:01 <Stempo> rico
20:01 <madmax|pt> ><
20:02 <Stempo> alex?
20:02 <Rico> ya
20:02 <Stempo> GenkI!
20:02 <Rico> hey
20:02 <i2020> hey rico
20:02 <Stempo> heya
20:02 <Rico> 2020, whos standing off?
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20:03 <i2020> madmax isn't playing which is a pity
20:03 <Rico> he had an offer, eh
20:03 <i2020> best games are those with the best players
20:03 <i2020> really?
20:03 <i2020> o well
20:03 <Rico> seems my team is the only one with 7 players, everyone else has 9 or 10
20:03 <Rico> >.<
20:04 <epsy> well, i've 4
20:04 <epsy> ><
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20:04 <Rico> hi jj
20:04 <i2020> four players?
20:04 <JJBean> hello
20:04 <i2020> hi
20:04 <JJBean> Why was it changed to 12:15?
20:04 <i2020> what team sre you epsy?
20:05 <Rico> hes not even on the challenge board
20:05 <epsy> kk kowsklan
20:05 <epsy> heh
20:05 <epsy> i was thinking you was meaning...
20:05 <i2020> i stuck a response about timing on forum
20:05 <epsy> not the ladle...
20:05 <epsy> ><
20:05 <Rico> oh
20:05  * epsy 's clan isn't ready for that....
20:06  * Rico 's is
20:06  * i2020 tronic monkey have never been ready...
20:06 <Rico> hehe
20:06 <Rico> tui in the first match, good luck ;p
20:07 <JJBean> hehe
20:07 <Rico> anyone in #arma-ladle ?
20:07 <i2020> we need more than luck
20:08 <Rico> divine intervention?
20:08 <Rico> :p
20:08 <i2020> no idea heheh i keep forgetting the keywords
20:08 <Rico> 2020, /join #arma-ladle :P
20:08 <JJBean> Since we have an hour until it starts I'm going to go play some tron
20:08 <JJBean> goodbye
20:09 <Rico> cu
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20:09 <Durka> hi jj
20:09 <Rico> lol durka, u sloooooooooooow
20:10 <epsy> ><
20:10 <Durka> im plahying
20:10 <Durka> 8 vs 8
20:10 <Rico> cafe?
20:11 <Durka> shea
20:11 <Rico> k
20:11 <Rico> ill come in a bit
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
20:14 <epsy> damn 403
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20:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6725 / (7 files in 3 dirs): Hack to make template instantiation of PrimitiveProxy work with enums.
20:17 <Rico> hey stick
20:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/shot/gridgame-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
20:21 -!- |Sticky| [n=Sticky@80-41-114-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:21 <epsy> :)
20:21 <epsy> gridgame
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20:33 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
20:34 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 13 secs
20:34 <Rico> hi wrtl
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20:35 <wrtlprnft_> back
20:35 <wrtlprnft_> grr
20:35 -!- Stickyer [n=502972e3@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:35 <Stickyer> hay all
20:35 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
20:35 <Stickyer> is anyonw else having trouble connecting to irc??
20:35 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
20:35 <wrtlprnft> not me
20:36 <luke-jr> Stickyer: obviously you're not either...
20:36 <Durka> #luke
20:36 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
20:36 <Stickyer> yes i am having to use a java client
20:36 <luke-jr> op
20:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
20:36 <Stickyer> mirc wont connect to irc.freenode.net
20:36 <@luke-jr> mirc sucks
20:36 <@luke-jr> don't use it
20:37 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %armabot!*@*] by luke-jr
20:37 <Stickyer> rkvirc
20:37 <Stickyer> or kvirc even
20:37 <@luke-jr> Stickyer: if I had to guess, I'd say blame your ISP
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 20
20:37 <@luke-jr> and complain etc
20:37 <Rico> ive got mirc, its shit but i cba to find a nother one
20:37 <Stickyer> yeah me too
20:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: wtf?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #ping
20:38 <@luke-jr> wrtlprnft: #luke is getting annoying
20:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %armabot!*@*] by luke-jr
20:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 2020
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020^tm seems to be on 2020 team challenge right now.
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v 2020
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020 team challenge (87.230.6.125:4535) running 0.3.0 unix dedicated, Description: “MON rip TUE tron simulation WED tronic monkey open challenge THU incam night FRI kings of the grid  SAT team-play SUN tournament night 8pm gmt start“, Players (1/16): 2020^tm
20:39 <luke-jr> #roulétte
20:39 <armabot> luke-jr: *click*
20:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:40 <luke-jr> #roulétte
20:40 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
20:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: cmon try it :p
20:41 <luke-jr> Durka: you toop
20:41 <Durka> #roulette
20:41 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
20:42 <luke-jr> #rouletté
20:42 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
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20:52 <JJBean> what is the thing i type in to go to the ladle chat?
20:54 <luke-jr> ...
20:55 <Rico> jj, /join #arma-ladle
20:56 <JJBean> k thanks
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20:57 <Rico> wb
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20:58 <epsy> back
20:59 <Sticky> #lastseen Pavel
20:59 <@armabot> Sticky: pavelo has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 minutes ago.
21:00 <JJBean> #lastseen TuI¬Ghß
21:00 <@armabot> JJBean: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
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21:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: [20:00:40] <armabot> JJBean: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6726 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: Ruby SWIG wrappers are now compiled in with the game as one big binary blob on MacOS. I've moved the processing from rake to an Xcode build rule.
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: The unix build system needs to be updated.
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21:37 <Skip> *yawns* morning all.. what round of the ladle are we in right now?
21:39 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:39 <wrtlprnft> i won't ever host a ladle server again.
21:40 <Skip> not being able to log in is the WIN
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21:41 <Durka> wrtl
21:41 <Durka> u idiot
21:41 <Durka> u kept the server locked
21:41 <Skip> o/ Durka
21:41 <i2020> qfuckity fucktiy fuck
21:41 <Durka> :p
21:41 <Durka> hi skip
21:41 <Durka> why arent u playing?
21:41 <i2020> fuck fuck
21:41 <Skip> o.o cant log in of course
21:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, i won't ever get involved in the ladle again
21:41 <wrtlprnft> in any way
21:42 <Durka> can u at least open ur server again
21:42 <Durka> its says Full (9/0)
21:42 <Durka> no way to get in
21:42 <i2020> surely you can't be as annoyed as me?
21:42 <i2020> fuckity fuck
21:42 <Durka> You guys couldve done well if you planned ahead of time
21:42 <Skip> cant be as bad for you as for me 2020.. this is my last game ever xD
21:42 <Durka> we all knew who was gonna do what
21:42 <Durka> skip is quitting the internet
21:43 <i2020> skip is what?
21:43 <i2020> hehe what?!
21:43 <Durka> lol
21:43 <Durka> quitting the internet
21:43 <Durka> so wrtl: can u open the server somehow?
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21:44 <wrtlprnft> the server is down now
21:44 <Durka> its ok just put auto_team in the cafe
21:44 <wrtlprnft> and it'll stay that way
21:44 <Durka> can u put the special settings and lock the server
21:44 <Durka> actually no
21:44 <Durka> we'll play in zmans server
21:45 <Skip> ...
21:45 <i2020> i said after the last one that i was going to be harsh about who was playing in tronic monkeys, and i haven't been
21:45 <epsy> gtg
21:45 <i2020> team?
21:45 <epsy> good luck guys ;)
21:46 <i2020> bye
21:46 <Durka> 2020: start AW again :p
21:47 <i2020> the only reason that worked was because it had brilliant players and respect amoungst the players
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21:47 <Skip> So what's going on in z-man's fort right now?
21:47 <Legit> x vs sp
21:47 <pavelo> x lost
21:47 <i2020> all you need is one person to bugger it up, and for others to be confused about what is going on, and a team just collapses
21:48 <wrtlprnft> it was hell for me
21:48 <Durka> x lost
21:48 <wrtlprnft> i was supposed to defend, and people told me to lock the server, to reopen it, to lock teams, to kick people, and telling me that i suck.
21:48 <wrtlprnft> never again.
21:49 <i2020> i agree you can't play and be admin too
21:49 <i2020> doesn't work
21:49 <i2020> i can't play and organise the tournament
21:49 <i2020> i end up setting the thing up till that last moment, and suddenly we are playing, no warm up nothing
21:49 <i2020> too much for me
21:49 <Durka> we warmed up for an extra 45 minutes lol
21:50 <i2020> we tried to, but when we actually appeared on the server to play, people started doing odd things
21:50 <Durka> ok we're playing
21:50 <Durka> bye
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21:50 <i2020> i think i am going to join another team
21:50 <i2020> unbelievable
21:50 <Sticky> hay 2020 hows it going??
21:51 <i2020> don't ask
21:51 <Skip> \o Sticky
21:51 <i2020> hi sticks you well?
21:51 <Sticky> well x just got reasonably beaten
21:51 <Sticky> take it tm got the same
21:51 <Skip> That's because I was locked out, Sticky :|
21:51 <i2020> no we were beaten unreasonably
21:52 <i2020> i want someone like you or legit to start a team
21:52 <i2020> and i will join it
21:52 <i2020> someone 
21:52 <i2020> somewhere!
21:52 <Sticky> heh
21:52 <Sticky> ive joined x so i cant make a new one unfortunately
21:53 <Sticky> who was the problem this time
21:53 <i2020> one of the same from last
21:54 <i2020> hyph
21:54 <Legit> redice
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21:54 <i2020> qand when i tried to get the team to kick, which i never do, they thought it unfair
21:54 <i2020> and then someone called redice appeared and tk
21:54 <i2020> it was a mess
21:54 <i2020> positions all over the place
21:55 <Sticky> hmm
21:55 <i2020> another fine mess heheh
21:55 <Sticky> your not having much luck in the ladel 2020
21:55 <i2020> the last two have been gak
21:56 <i2020> and this time i had good ping... so no excuses technically
21:56 <Legit> we need better organization..
21:56 <Sticky> in what way legit??
21:56 <i2020> legit... can you be captain or start your own team or something??????
21:56 <Legit> even when we set one uup.... it sitll out of order
21:56 <Skip> the time for this was also nonsense.. it totally excluded a significant portion of the tron playing world
21:56 <i2020> i will follow whatever the captain says
21:56 <Skip> which is more than half of the US
21:57 <i2020> first sunday of the month... same time as always
21:57 <Skip> Im bringing it up now.
21:57 <Skip> It wasnt brought up before because everyone else is just their momma's boy.
21:57 <Sticky> what time is it skip??
21:57 <Legit> sticky... we setup our postions... then once we r playin the tournament we are all not n our postions
21:57 <Skip> it's almost 2PM now in mountain time
21:58 <i2020> we were just about ok apart from hyph coming back into def and annoying wrtl etc and us sweepers
21:58 <Skip> or live in Germany
21:59 <Sticky> yeah im surprised you took him back after last ladel
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21:59 <i2020> i didn't
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21:59 <i2020> right see you laters
21:59 <i2020> grrrrrrr
21:59 <Sticky> cya
22:00 <i2020> stay cool... hopefullyl i willl cool off
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22:00 <madmax|pt> I thought most fortress players were european Skip :D
22:01 <Skip> That's the reasoning behind excluding the minor US players..?
22:01 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
22:01 <Skip> go look on the world tourny registration.. US has like.. the most
22:01 <DrJoeTron> Im think I should make myself a new avatar for the armaboards
22:01 <DrJoeTron> and change my signature
22:01 <madmax|pt> not really, I thought the US timezone had a reasonable playing time
22:01 <DrJoeTron> I have this really stupid spark in me
22:02 <madmax|pt> what time is it there?
22:02 <DrJoeTron> GAME TIME
22:02 <madmax|pt> "US timezone" (yes i know it varies)
22:03 <Skip> -7 GMT,  2:02 PM now
22:03 <Skip> or if you google Time Denver, CO ..you will see exactly what time
22:03 <madmax|pt> aint that reasonable?
22:03 <Skip> no no.. it's 2PM noowww
22:04 <Sticky> #time
22:04 <@armabot> Sticky: 10:11 PM, January 07, 2007
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22:04 <Skip> o.o; wb
22:04 <madmax|pt> but, the ladle started +/- 50 minutes ago
22:06 <madmax|pt> was the final already played?
22:06 <guru3> can you have +50 minutes ago?
22:06 <Skip> meh.. I guess it's not -truly- important.. since I am the ONLY US player... and now, not anymore even.
22:06 <guru3> or -50 minutes ago for that matter?
22:06 <madmax|pt> make it ≈50 minutes ago
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22:09 <[NP]Tangent> hey, whoever tried getting on that website yesterday but couldn't due to an empty REFERRER tag
22:09 <[NP]Tangent> I just fixed that problem
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22:15 <[NP]Tangent> ...
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22:16 <|Sticky|> fucking finaly
22:16 <|Sticky|> got on with a proper irc client
22:17 <|Sticky|> any news from the final
22:17  * spidey yawns
22:20 <madmax|pt> hm, what happened with redice?
22:21 <Legit> tked bout 5 players n 1 round
22:22 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6727 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs): wrapped uMenu
22:22 <Skip> are scores up yet?
22:22 <|Sticky|> what server they on?
22:22 <|Sticky|> #listservers
22:29 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
22:29 <@armabot> madmax|pt: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || ¦Ö¦ Server: Ladle/Tournament Fortress (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (3 players) || |/| Ghostland || NEW MAP!!! (2 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2 players) || Capture the Flag (1 more message)
22:30 <|Sticky|> take it we have a result then??
22:30 <|Sticky|> anyone know??
22:30 <Skip> Anyone from SP here right now?
22:33 <z-man> SP is on Tournament fortress.
22:34 <madmax|pt> breaking news: seems like a player in an outside position "has the right to defend"
22:34 <Skip> no
22:35  * madmax|pt was quoting
22:35 <pavelo> may i ask who ?
22:35 <Skip> Who's the famous ..
22:35 <Skip> yeah who
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22:36 <madmax|pt> well, not exactly quoting, but i asked "so a player in ... has the right to defend?" and people said yes
22:36 <madmax|pt> which i find at least odd
22:36 <madmax|pt> heh
22:38 <pavelo> and who was the guy ?
22:38 <Skip> its wrong.. def should tk people who come in.. on the grounds that you cant really know :| if the're not stabbing you/the team in the back
22:38 <Skip> fraking smileys
22:39 <pavelo> i just now had a problem w/ lod|dez
22:39 <madmax|pt> pavelo: i was GotGap?
22:39 <madmax|pt> i saw it
22:39 <pavelo> he kept going into the zone... i asked him if he wants to def...... he said nothing
22:39 <madmax|pt> he said something like "well since i shuffled out i am def"
22:39 <pavelo> oh
22:40 <pavelo> great, lets all shuffle to position 8
22:41 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Rav/rubber/spiral-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Rav
22:42 <madmax|pt> I wonder what is the best, fast understanding phrase to tell someone to grind center
22:43 <pavelo> there isnt one
22:43 <Skip> turn into the middle like everyone else or I will tk this whole damn team until they kick one of us?
22:43 <pavelo> new players dont know even what "grinding" means
22:43 <Skip> or you can just poll them, and at the same time tell them to grind the center.. that's effective :')
22:44 <madmax|pt> thats the point pavelo, at least not using the word grind is a good thing
22:44 <madmax|pt> probably the perfect phrase doesnt have 'grind' on it :P
22:44 <Skip> so the turn into the middle thing?
22:44 <pavelo> what i dont understand is why dont people figure it out by themselves.........
22:45 <pavelo> i mean if you see everyone doing that isnt it a natural course of action
22:45 <madmax|pt> Skip: polling is pretty bad, at least right on the first tries
22:45 <Skip> it always wakes them up or whatever..
22:46 <madmax|pt> its natural, but for a first timer, i guess its kind of ... ... scary
22:46 <Skip> anyway.. people who dont grind typically get booted from fort servers.. which arent for people who wouldn't grasp that fact instantly aka noobs.. they have a poll comming to them.
22:47 <madmax|pt> yeah, pretty strange behavior sometimes :D
22:47 <Skip> not doing it is criminal (to the team) imo.. and if you don't, you don't get treated like a human being im h o. :) thats the way to handle it
22:47 <madmax|pt> lol
22:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: fyi, rubymagick errors upgrading-- so don't do anything w/ the scripts to dep on newer ver :p
22:48 <madmax|pt> this isnt normal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlERjW0bhw
22:49 <pavelo> what does it say ?
22:49 <pavelo> the question ?
22:50 <Skip> LMFAO!
22:50 <Skip> I guess that explains the nongrinding..
22:50 <|Sticky|> gratz to sp the winners
22:51 <madmax|pt> pavelo: "What is it that orbits around the Earth?"
22:52 <pavelo> oh, cool
22:52 <|Sticky|> satalites
22:53 <madmax|pt> look at the link |Sticky| :P
22:53 <DrJoeTron> THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE
22:53 <DrJoeTron> REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH
22:53 <DrJoeTron> if you think different, you....
22:53 <pavelo> if you though that was funny, try this site: www.darwinawards.com
22:53 <DrJoeTron> you're going to hell
22:54 <pavelo>                 Named in honor of Charles Darwin, the father of evolution,                 the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool                 by removing themselves from it.
22:54 <DrJoeTron> darwinawards eh?
22:54 <DrJoeTron> welcome to the internet pavelo :D
22:54 <pavelo> thanks
22:54 <pavelo> :)
22:55 <DrJoeTron> shit I remember going there in like 8th grade
22:55 <pavelo> my favorite is the "Macho men"
22:56 <DrJoeTron> heh
22:56 <DrJoeTron> I remember very little of it
22:56 <DrJoeTron> seeing as 8th grade was about 6 years ago
22:57 <DrJoeTron> my god I'm old
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23:00 <Skip> wb
23:00 <Durka> gay
23:01 <Durka> the entire finals was just full of gayness
23:01 <Durka> imo
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23:01 <Durka> hi rico
23:01 <Skip> thats because I wasnt there
23:01 <Rico> hi
23:01 <Durka> i got holed 10 times by sp
23:01 <Rico> nice
23:01 <Durka> they even took the winzone in one critical round
23:01 <Durka> i mean come on
23:01 <Rico> blah
23:01 <Skip> its fine.. there's a solution to the holing
23:01 <Durka> there is no solution
23:02 <Skip> :')
23:02 <Durka> when they have a 2 man advatnage
23:02 <Durka> 6 on 8
23:02 <Rico> pfft
23:02 <Durka> we needed u 2
23:02 <Durka> why didnt u wanna play
23:02 <Rico> sry, i wouldve played but im slackin today badly
23:02 <Skip> ....I was locked out.
23:02 <Durka> aww
23:02 <Rico> we lost 2-0
23:02 <Durka> when we played TM
23:02 <Durka> it was so funny
23:02 <Durka> in the ENTIRE 2 matche
23:02 <Durka> s
23:02 <Durka> i didnt die once
23:03 <Rico> wow
23:03 <Durka> they holed me once, but other than that they didnt win a round
23:03 <Rico> rofl
23:03 <Durka> :D
23:04 <Skip> there's a solution to being out manned even.. because the whole of their team isnt better.. definately not so than x. but I doubt x worked as a team
23:04 <Skip> because.... I WASNT THERE
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23:04 <|Sticky|> yeah we didnt quite click as a team
23:05 <Durka> this is my "bold statement" about the finals
23:05 <Durka> regarding tui
23:05 <Durka> If we had had a 2 man advantage, all our team's pings but 2 were under 100, & we holed SP 10 times, we would've kicked their ass. I rest my case.
23:05 <revan> Hi, could someone make a deb package for arma? (hehe, two days ago I was asking for an rpm package)
23:05 <Rico> no we cant
23:05 <Rico> and yes durka
23:05 <Rico> ><
23:06 <|Sticky|> there is an arma rpm
23:06 <Durka> we got holed more times than the Holers holed me that one ladle
23:06 <Rico> loool
23:06 <revan> I know but i'm using ubuntu now
23:06 <Rico> sigh
23:06 <Durka> do you want the .rpm source?
23:06 <Durka> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=armagetronad&filename=armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1-1.src.rpm&use_mirror=superb-west
23:06 <revan> 4 linux OS i've switched to.. :/
23:07 <pavelo> how about you compile from source, its not that difficult
23:07 <Durka> lol
23:07 <Durka> hi pavelo
23:07 <revan> Durka, I'm using ubuntu now. suse sucks.. :p
23:07 <pavelo> hi Durka
23:07 <pavelo> :)
23:07 <revan> pavelo um well, last time I compiled from source I had to install about 10 devel packages
23:07 <Rico> hi pav
23:07 <Durka> we only had 2 ppl on our team from europe
23:07 <Durka> well actually only 1
23:07 <Rico> who
23:07 <Durka> is iceland in europe?
23:07 <Rico> yea
23:08 <Durka> o then 2
23:08 <Rico> feather and luzi?
23:08 <Durka> ya
23:08 <pavelo> revan:well, at least now you know which ones
23:08 <revan> and I'm guessing I have to do the same: configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
23:08 <pavelo> you need to install
23:08 <Durka> the other 4 were'nt
23:08 <revan> not necessarily paveelo
23:08 <|Sticky|> suse does this all automaticaly :P
23:09 <|Sticky|> suse>ubuntu
23:09 <revan> suse sucks
23:09 <Rico> and durka, there was, probably 5 rounds in the 2 matches (where it was 4-5 on 1 in their favour) and i got holed
23:09 <Durka> read my feedback
23:09 <Rico> >_<
23:09 <Durka> ya i got holed 10 times in 4 matches
23:09 <Durka> read my feedback
23:09 <Durka> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle_Feedback#Feedback_for_the_Seventh_Ladle
23:11 <Rico> youre completely right
23:11 <|Sticky|> well if you like ubunu so much you will enjoy using it to compile arma from source
23:12 <Rico> also, i dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when im tryin to def against 4 attackers i dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with msgs to put me off
23:12 <Rico> ><
23:12 <Skip> I got news for SP.. you got cheated.
23:12 <pavelo> dont read them
23:12 <Durka> ?
23:13 <Skip> no ammount of holing or spamming you do will be your salvation when I actually get a chance to play.
23:13 <|Sticky|> i duno rico i would say 1. yes get rid of win zone, but 2. fine to ensuring teams are equal but i dont think you can ban holeing
23:13 <Rico> pav, i didnt have much choice, they took up half of my screen
23:13 <Durka> lol
23:13 <Durka> skip pwns
23:13 <Skip> Stay sharp.. I dont want a lame match like the one you guys got.
23:13 <Durka> i press function + page down more than I actually turn
23:14 <pavelo> did they do that deliberately ?
23:14 <Skip> yeah.. I instinctively know where the page down is as well
23:15 <|Sticky|> we do need some sort of tournament game management system where we can control who joins each team
23:15 <Rico> pav, i was getting messages like look over here
23:15 <Rico> look rico
23:15 <Rico> over there
23:15 <revan> well, that didn't take too long. Only 2 packages instead of 10 this time :)
23:15 <Rico> etc etc
23:16 <|Sticky|> can you password servers??
23:16 <Rico> idk
23:16 <Durka> u can close them
23:16 <Durka> talk_to_master 0
23:16 <Durka> then give out the custom connect info
23:16 <pavelo> or use bookmarks
23:16 <|Sticky|> seems the best way to keep out people but allow players to come in and out
23:18 <Durka> ya
23:18 <Rico> durka read my feedback
23:19 <Durka> no i will
23:19 <Durka> in the meantime try this map
23:19 <Durka> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Rav/rubber/spiral-0.1.aamap.xml
23:19 <Durka> go in the maze and back out
23:19 <Rico> cba
23:19 <Durka> with 1 rubber and -1 cycle_wall_length
23:19 <Rico> cba
23:20 <Durka> i agree
23:21 <Durka> skip!
23:21 <Rico> did u get like 10 fps in ur games
23:21 <Durka> i shouldve brought in my bots
23:21 <Skip> o_o; yes?
23:21 <Durka> to piss sp off
23:21 <Rico> XD
23:21 <Durka> lol
23:21 <Durka> i had like 20 fps
23:21 <Durka> but my ping wasnt good
23:21 <Durka> a bit of sliding
23:22 <Rico> i had to play 2 matches with 10 fps + 150 ping
23:22 <Rico> my isp fucked up today ><
23:22 <|Sticky|> anyone know whay the fps drops???
23:22 <|Sticky|> it seems strange
23:22 <Rico> too busy server i guess
23:22 <pavelo> too many players
23:22 <Skip> you guys.. bind the graphics redraw to a key.. like the up button
23:22 <Skip> and hit it when you have fps death
23:22 <|Sticky|> yeah but WHY too many players aint a reason
23:22 <Skip> you lag for like "1 second" and then your fps should be back up with typical things
23:23 <Rico> hm...
23:23 <|Sticky|> bandwith, server side cpu power, graphics??
23:23 <pavelo> of course it is
23:23 <Rico> that servers on a 1gb lan
23:23 <pavelo> more players==more thigns to draw and calculate
23:23 <Durka> Zman u here?
23:23 <Durka> I have a problem
23:23 <Durka> with ur server
23:23 <madmax|pt> Durka: sounds fun
23:23 <|Sticky|> rico where on the lan is it?
23:23 <|Sticky|> university???
23:23 <madmax|pt> that map
23:23 <Durka> lol
23:23 <Rico> no, i mean zmans not mine
23:23 <Durka> its easy
23:24 <Durka> but its fun with 1 rubber and infinite tail
23:24 <Durka> im gonna try with faster speed
23:24 <Durka> 30 is too easy
23:24 <Rico> lol
23:24 -!- revan [n=revan@c-69-245-193-52.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:25 <|Sticky|> but running a geforce whatever gfx card arma should be no prob at all.  I cant quite believe that this is the bottleneck
23:25 <Skip> System Setup -> Misc Stuff -> Global keyboard config -> Reload Textures [Up]
23:25 <Durka> ahhh
23:25 <Durka> zman u here?
23:26 <|Sticky|> i mean i get 300+ fps generaly how does this suddenly drop to 20-10 fps with the addition of about 5 or 6 players
23:26 <Durka> 300!!!???? o_O
23:26 <Durka> wow
23:26 <pavelo> wow
23:26 <Skip> 300.. sounds like ATI bs stuff.. I get 60 ..but with all the bells and whistles at max resolution
23:27 <Durka> achtung gets 700
23:27 <pavelo> i get performance drops too but not that radical
23:27 <Skip> What's he use?
23:27 <Rico> whats better, to spend $100 on a good 256mb geforce card or $100 on an ATI 512mb one
23:27 <Durka> hmmm
23:28 <Rico> cos i need to upgrade my gpu
23:28 <Rico> and theres a few im looking at
23:28 <Durka> $100000 on a video card that gets u 1 million fps
23:28 <Skip> for tron and ONLY tron?
23:28 <|Sticky|> what do you use at the moment rico??
23:28 <Rico> some shitty 64mb 4400
23:28 <Rico> xD
23:28 <|Sticky|> i use a laptop
23:28 <Skip> get a geforce 7600
23:28 <|Sticky|> nice
23:28 <Rico> i was gona get an ATI X1650 sapphire pro
23:29 <Rico> 512mb
23:29 <Rico> but idk whether to spend the same and get a 256mb geforce
23:30 <|Sticky|> hmm
23:30 <Durka> hmmm
23:30 <|Sticky|> what clock rates??
23:30 <Rico> idk off the top of my head
23:30 <Rico> 2 secs
23:30 <|Sticky|> id go for the one with the larger ram...sounds like arma may be filling up the grapics buffers
23:31 <Rico> hmm
23:31 <|Sticky|> cant be sure tho
23:31 <Rico> although ive been told a more powerful gpu is better
23:31 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508732BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
23:31 <|Sticky|> depends if you are going to use up all the ram or not
23:31 <Rico> idk yet ;p
23:31 <pavelo> how can arma fill up 256 mb of memory ???????????????????????
23:32 <|Sticky|> if you are not going to use all the ram then you dont need any more...additional ram just for show does not speed you up
23:32 <|Sticky|> but the higher clock rate will
23:32 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=470935
23:32 <Rico> thats the geforce one
23:32 <Skip> I thought the geforce 512 was $100
23:32 <Rico> no, the ati 512
23:32 <Skip> wth
23:33 <Rico> the ati 512mb is a bit more than 100 bucks
23:33 <|Sticky|> that is a bit of a beast
23:33 <Rico> the geforce 256 is the same price
23:33 <Rico> its got less ram, but more power
23:33 <|Sticky|> link the geforce plx
23:33 <|Sticky|> plz even
23:34 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=484118
23:34 <Rico> thats the ati
23:34 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=470935
23:34 <Rico> and thats the geforce
23:34 <Rico> which would u get
23:35 <|Sticky|> remember dont nessesrily get taken in by clock rates...amd for instance do more than a pentium in one cycle so they are clocked at a slower rate than a pentium
23:36 <Durka> lol
23:36 <Durka> look
23:36 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:36 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:37 <madmax|pt> you already have a motherboard that supports PCI-E?
23:37 <Rico> yea
23:38 <Rico> ive just got some shitty 64mb mx card atm
23:38 <|Sticky|> think i may go for gigabit
23:38 <madmax|pt> heh kenny blew that
23:38 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
23:38 <Rico> wb
23:38 <Durka> that's the best thread :p
23:38 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:38 <Rico> ive seen ;p
23:38 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:38 <Durka> :p
23:39 <Durka> #luke
23:39 -!- pavelo [n=pavelo@unimatrix0.ubyt.sdjls.uniba.sk] has quit []
23:39 <Durka> armabot???
23:39 <Durka> #ping
23:39 <@armabot> pong
23:39 <Durka> #luike
23:39 <Durka> #luke
23:39 <Rico> lool
23:40 <Durka> damn armabot is not listengin :(
23:40 <Durka> #roulette
23:40 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:40  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:40 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
23:40 <Durka> :p
23:40 <Rico> LOL
23:40 <Durka> #roulette spin
23:40 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
23:40 <Durka> #roulette
23:40 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:41 <Skip> Roulette
23:41 <Skip> #roulette
23:41 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
23:41 <|Sticky|> rico??
23:41 <Rico> sticky?
23:41 <luke-jr> #rouletté
23:41 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
23:41 <Skip> type #roulette and die you whore
23:41 <Rico> #roulette
23:41 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
23:41 <Rico> ;p
23:41 <Skip> what a lucky bitch
23:41 <Rico> #roulette
23:41 <|Sticky|> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=572&model2=530&chart=231
23:41 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
23:41 <luke-jr> nVidia sucks
23:42 <|Sticky|> geforce by a long shot
23:42 <Rico> wow
23:42 <Rico> shit
23:42 <Skip> geforce needs to come with a "tron" profile.. since it comes wiht profiles for tons of other games
23:42 <luke-jr> nVidia sucks
23:42 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:43 <Durka> luke!~
23:43 <Skip> #kill luke-jr
23:43 <Durka> its not working!!!!!!!
23:43 <|Sticky|> look at the half life stats: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=572&model2=530&chart=199
23:43 <Durka> #luke
23:43 <Skip> #dict test
23:43 <Durka> stfu baka n00b!
23:43 <Durka> #g 1+1
23:43 <@armabot> Durka: 1 + 1 = 2
23:43 <Durka> brb
23:43 <@armabot> Skip: foldoc, gcide, wn, jargon, bouvier, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Test \Test\, v. i. [L. testari. See {Testament}.] To make a testament, or will. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] Test; bouvier: TEST. Something by which to ascertain the truth respecting another thing. 7 Penn. St. Rep. 428; 6 Whart. 284. Vide Religious Test; gcide: Test \Test\, n. [L. testis. Cf. {Testament}, (29 more messages)
23:43 -!- Durka is now known as Durka-away
23:43 <Durka-away> #armaservers
23:43 <Skip> god damn bot, you took long enough
23:43 <@armabot> Durka-away: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || (1 more message)
23:43 <luke-jr> ...
23:43 <Legit> #roulette
23:43 -!- Legit was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:44 <Skip> #weather luke
23:44 <Rico> ahahaha
23:44 -!- super_duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Lukeville, AZ is 62.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 21%. Wind: N at 3 mph (5 km/h).
23:44 <Skip> #roulette super_duck
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
23:44 <Skip> #roulette
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
23:44 <super_duck> lol
23:44 <Rico> #roulette
23:44 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:44  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:44 <Skip> bahaha
23:44 <super_duck> haha
23:44 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <|Sticky|> Rico: you looked at those stats...the geforce consistantly trounces the ati in almost all the tests
23:44 <Rico> haha
23:44 <Skip> #weather duck
23:45 <Rico> ya stick
23:45 <luke-jr> get Intel
23:45 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871C40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out]
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "duck".
23:45 <luke-jr> for video chipset
23:45 <super_duck> lol
23:45 <Skip> #weather Durka
23:45 <super_duck> i am a super duck! thats y
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Durka".
23:45 <Skip> #weather hell
23:45 <Skip> #uberinsult
23:45 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Baseline Lake, Pinckney, Michigan is 33.1°F (5:41 PM EST on January 07, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa. 
23:47 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:48 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
23:48 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
23:48 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 53.6°F (10:30 PM WET on January 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa. 
23:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6728 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/enum.test/test.cpp): Massaged macros so that the user has minimal work with enums.
23:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6729 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/enum.test/test.cpp): GCC 4.1 compatibility.
23:52 <luke-jr> Durka-away: speak now or shut up for 4 hrs
23:52 <Rico> hes away
23:52 <Rico> duh
23:52 -!- Skip6 [n=skip@71.237.34.67] has joined #armagetron
23:52 <Skip6> damn instinctive window closing.
23:52 <Rico> lol
23:52 -!- Skip6 [n=skip@71.237.34.67] has quit [Client Quit]
23:52 <Skip> oh wait.. i didnt close it
23:52 <Skip> hahaha
23:52  * Rico slaps Skip
23:52 <Skip> #insult Rico
23:52 <@armabot> Rico - You are nothing but an unintelligent petrification of halfbaked rat-farts. 
23:52 <Rico> ahaha
23:52 <Rico> #insult Skip
23:52 <@armabot> Skip - You are nothing but an elf-skinned mound of hacked-up snot. 
23:52 <Skip> :< ..*cuts*
23:53 <Skip> #roulette
23:53 -!- Skip was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:53 -!- Skip [n=skip@71.237.34.67] has joined #armagetron
23:53 <Rico> xDDDDDD
23:53 <Skip> jesus is back
23:53 <Rico> wb jesus
23:53 <Skip> ty Rico.. you took a lot of shit from Infamous earlier xD
23:53 <Rico> -.-
23:53 <Rico> i know
23:54 <Rico> what else was i meant to do
23:57 <super_duck> read my feedback on the ladle xD
23:57 <Rico> sec
23:57 <Durka-away> #luke
23:57 <@armabot> Durka-away: *click*
23:57 <super_duck> durka^^
23:57 <Skip> lmao
23:57 <Durka-away> >
23:57 <Durka-away> ?
23:57 <Rico> wb
23:57 <super_duck> read my feedback on the ladle xD
23:57 -!- Durka-away is now known as Durka
23:58 <Rico> legit its not even on the wiki
23:58 <Durka> bbl
23:58 <Durka> #ngith
23:58 <Durka> #night
23:58 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:58 <|Sticky|> inf seemed unuseualy pissed off
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:58  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:59 <|Sticky|> not quite sure why inf was so upset
23:59 <super_duck> im not? i should
23:59 <Rico> hes just like that
23:59 <Rico> if everything isnt how he wants it, he goes off on one
23:59 <|Sticky|> hmm

Log from 2007-01-08:
--- Day changed Mon Jan 08 2007
00:00 <Skip> xD Im happy that he got pissed at you though.. instead of me xD;;
00:00 <super_duck> lol
00:00 <|Sticky|> he seemed to recon they were cutting them up in attack but i cant seem to remember many rounds where the attack took it quickly
00:01 <super_duck> didi skip even play?
00:01 <Rico> no
00:01 <Rico> didnt show up on time and got locked out
00:01 <Rico> ><
00:01 <super_duck> aww if he was def he woulda pwnt all!
00:01 <Rico> pavelo played instead
00:01 <super_duck> ya i saw skip n CT
00:03 <Rico> #roulette
00:03 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
00:03  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:03 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:03 <Rico> heh
00:03 <super_duck> lol
00:03 <super_duck> rico do u hate me?
00:03 <Rico> nah why
00:03 <super_duck> o, cus ppl tellin me u do
00:03 <Rico> who? 
00:04 <|Sticky|> we all hate you :P
00:04 <super_duck> sum X members forgot which ones
00:04 <Rico> heh stick
00:04  * super_duck hates sticky
00:04  * Rico hates everyone
00:04 <|Sticky|> #slap super_duck
00:04 <Rico> #insult super_duck
00:04 <@armabot> super_duck - You are nothing but an evil heap of low-quality Stimpy-drool. 
00:04 <super_duck> #insult sticky
00:04 <@armabot> sticky - You are nothing but a crook-pated mass of left-over chicken. 
00:04 <|Sticky|> #uberinsult super_duck
00:04 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <Skip> :o
00:05 <super_duck> canada the player?
00:05 <Rico> #uberinsult Rico
00:05 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <|Sticky|> yeah
00:05 <super_duck> lol
00:05 <Rico> is that the only one it knows?
00:05 <|Sticky|> you need to change that
00:05 <Rico> pfft
00:05 <Rico> #uberinsult Rico
00:05 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <Rico> bah
00:05 <Skip> I know how to destroy the bot..
00:05 <Rico> gogogo
00:05 <Skip> #insult God
00:05 <@armabot> God - You are nothing but a boil-brained plate of rump-fed cat-hair-balls. 
00:05 <|Sticky|> i will say it again HES TWELVE its not his fault hes...well...you know
00:05 <spidey> skip you noob :D
00:06 <Skip> lol spidey
00:06 <Rico> spideey!!!
00:06 <super_duck> #insult armabot
00:06 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a droning mass of headless Stimpy-drool. 
00:06 <Skip> xP your vacation over already Spidey?
00:06 <spidey> no
00:06 <Skip> I figured
00:06 <spidey> irc isn't tron :p
00:06 <Rico> xD
00:06 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
00:07 <@armabot> spidey: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on MicroBusCity.com 0 days 23 hours 54 minutes ago.
00:07 <Rico> #insult spidey
00:07 <Skip> oO; wtf
00:07 <@armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a warped mass of sausage-snorfling balls. 
00:07 <Rico> xD
00:07 <Skip> #lastseen skip
00:07 <@armabot> Skip: -¦Ö¦, Skip has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 49 minutes ago.
00:07 <spidey> #bitchslap Rico
00:07 <spidey> ;p
00:07 <Rico> xD
00:07 <Rico> #lastseen penis
00:07 <super_duck> #lastseen super duck!
00:07 <@armabot> Rico: TuI ~ PENIS has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on. 0 days 1 hours 37 minutes ago.
00:07 <super_duck> #lastseen super duck!
00:07 <@armabot> super_duck: Super Duck! has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  (Arizona) 1 days 14 hours 13 minutes ago.
00:07 <@armabot> super_duck: Super Duck! has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  (Arizona) 1 days 14 hours 13 minutes ago.
00:08 <spidey> #g 4 kb/s in GB/month
00:08 <@armabot> spidey: 4 (kb / s) = 1.25395958 GB / month
00:08 <super_duck> #lastseen Legit
00:08 <spidey> hm
00:08 <@armabot> super_duck: Legit has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 34 minutes ago.
00:08 <Skip> #lastseen Lackadasical
00:08 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508732BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [No route to host]
00:08 <Rico> #lastseen Zop
00:08 <Skip> bot died
00:08 <Rico> u spelt his name wrong
00:08 <Rico> thats why
00:08 <Skip> xD
00:09 <Rico> ;p
00:09 <Skip> #weather denver
00:09 <@armabot> Skip: timed out
00:09 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Denver, CO is 27.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Wind: SSW at 13 mph (21 km/h).
00:09 <super_duck> lol
00:09 <Rico> #lastseen Zop
00:09 <@armabot> Rico: Zop has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 0 hours 36 minutes ago.
00:10 <@armabot> Rico: Zop has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 0 hours 36 minutes ago.
00:10 <Rico> ;o
00:10 <super_duck> lol
00:10 <super_duck> #lastseen swoosh
00:10 <Rico> #lastseen gay
00:10 <super_duck> fucking bot do ur job
00:10 <@armabot> super_duck: swoosh has last been seen on G-Land (A Swamplords server) 5 days 0 hours 1 minutes ago.
00:10 <@armabot> Rico: joe is gay has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 0 days 1 hours 11 minutes ago.
00:10 <madmax|pt> what did swoosh did to you super_duck ?
00:11 <Rico> LOL
00:11 <super_duck> lol madmax
00:11 <super_duck> xD
00:11 <Rico> #slap madmax|pt
00:11 <Rico> ;p
00:11 <super_duck> lol
00:12 <Rico> #lastseen Rico
00:12 <@armabot> Rico: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on ¦Ö¦Server: Ladle/Tournament Fortress 0 days 1 hours 28 minutes ago.
00:12 <Rico> pfft
00:12 <Rico> ¦O¦ server ??
00:13 <super_duck> ok im out, bye rica, skip, and sticky
00:13 <|Sticky|> #armaservers
00:13 <@armabot> |Sticky|: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (7 players) || Super Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!! (6 players) || ~/EF~ ClanServer (1 more message)
00:13 <|Sticky|> cya
00:13 -!- super_duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
00:14 <Skip> #lastseen skip
00:14 <@armabot> Skip: -¦Ö¦, Skip has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 56 minutes ago.
00:14 <Skip> ...no
00:15 <Rico> #lastseen newb
00:15 <@armabot> Rico: Newbie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 9 hours 42 minutes ago.
00:15 <Skip> #lastseen SKIP
00:15 <@armabot> Skip: ¦Ö¦SKIP ¦×¥ seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
00:15 <Rico> shrunk sux
00:15 <Skip> shutup noob
00:16 <Skip> #insult rico
00:16 <Rico> ;o
00:16 <@armabot> rico - You are nothing but a tottering bucket of spam-sucking bat. 
00:16 <Skip> bahahaha
00:16 <Rico> #bitchslap skip
00:17 <madmax|pt> shrunk sucks? o_O
00:17 <madmax|pt> yeah,
00:17  * Rico hates it
00:17 <madmax|pt> #insult Rico 
00:17 <@armabot> Rico - You are nothing but a sheep-biting ass-full of fobbing dog. 
00:18 <|Sticky|> #version
00:18 <@armabot> |Sticky|: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.2.
00:18  * Rico cant stand that server
00:18 <Skip> it wins at roulette.. and mazing
00:18 <Rico> #roulette
00:18 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
00:18 <Skip> fort would be awesome for mazing.. if only the tail wasnt so ubershort
00:18 <Rico> spose
00:19 <Rico> #roulette
00:19 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
00:19  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:19 <Skip> #roulette
00:19 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
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00:19 <Rico> xD
00:19 <|Sticky|> #nickometer Rico
00:19 <madmax|pt> someone make it a kick, ban
00:19 <madmax|pt> lol
00:19 <Rico> nickometer?
00:20 <Skip> somehow they need to implement irc kicks and bans for losing a 'challenge' match on tron
00:20 <|Sticky|> hmmm looks like the whole supybot is not on here
00:20 <Skip> you come in irc.. challenge someone on irc.. you play.. loser gets a 2 hour ban
00:20 <madmax|pt> that worked |Sticky| 
00:21 <|Sticky|> did it??
00:21 <madmax|pt> maybe someone disabled it because of ABUSIVE usage :P
00:21 <|Sticky|> #nickometer Rico
00:21 <|Sticky|> ok
00:21 <Rico> whats nickometer
00:21 <Rico> :S
00:21 <|Sticky|> tells you how lame a name is
00:21 <Rico> ooh
00:21 <Skip> #dict sticky
00:21 <@armabot> Skip: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sticky \Stick"y\, a. [Compar. {Stickier}; superl. {Stickiest}.] Having the quality of sticking to a surface; adhesive; gluey; viscous; viscid; glutinous; tenacious. [1913 Webster] Herbs which last longest are those of strong smell, and with a sticky stalk. --Bacon. [1913 Webster]; wn: sticky adj 1: having the properties of glue [syn: (6 more messages)
00:22 <Skip> sticky... you smell
00:22 <madmax|pt> Gluey would be a nice nick
00:22 <|Sticky|> #rainbow only idiots write in colour all the time
00:22 <Rico> #dict skip
00:22 <@armabot> Rico: wn, gcide, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: SKIP Simple Key-management for Internet Protocols (Internet, cryptography, Sun); gcide: Skip \Skip\, v. t. 1. To leap lightly over; as, to skip the rope. [1913 Webster] 2. To pass over or by without notice; to omit; to miss; as, to skip a line in reading; to skip a lesson. [1913 Webster] They who have a mind to see the issue may skip (13 more messages)
00:23 <|Sticky|> #commands
00:23 <|Sticky|> alot of stuff has been removed
00:24  * Rico slaps /me
00:24 <Rico> heh
00:25 <|Sticky|> #threads
00:25  * Rico * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
00:25 <Rico> afk
00:26 <madmax|pt> lol, someone tried to steal a Dakar motorbike
00:26 <|Sticky|> dakar??
00:26 <madmax|pt> any Dakar fans here? :D
00:26 <madmax|pt> don't know it? ><
00:26 <madmax|pt> Rally dakar
00:26 <Rico> oh that
00:26 <Rico> its shit
00:27 <madmax|pt> is not
00:27  * Rico thinks it is, and slaps madmax|pt
00:27 <madmax|pt> its the best off-road rally
00:27 <MaZuffeR> they started in portugal this year, right?
00:28 <Rico> im not a fan of rally anyhoo
00:28 <madmax|pt> yeah, last year too
00:28 <madmax|pt> and next too i think :)
00:28 <|Sticky|> #karma
00:29 <madmax|pt> ... well, they obviously found the bike through the GPS
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00:30 <|Sticky|> #hangman
00:30 <|Sticky|> awww no hang man
00:30 <Rico> aha
00:30 <|Sticky|> #insult armabot
00:30 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a petrified coagulation of fen-sucked grits. 
00:33 <Skip> -¦×¦-SKIP-¦×¦-
00:37 <Rico> #night
00:37 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
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00:38 <Skip> yeah that works.. oO Ill just keep that nick.. its nice in flashy in a get my way with noobs sort of way
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01:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, those smegheads are gone and we can talk now
01:02 <guru3> lol
01:03 <|Sticky|> heh
01:03 <|Sticky|> nope im still here
01:06 <guru3> we can fix that you know
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01:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe the problem with the ruleset is the uranus layout
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> it occurs to me that the civ placing algorithm might favor the area that's in the middle in the N/S direction under the reasoning that's more temperate
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> of course, reducing the spawn radius would prevent us from having most of our shit spawned on the pole
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01:22 <Rico> re
01:27 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/thinking-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
01:44 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/octaxsumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
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01:44 <Durka> #hello
01:45 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: OOPS! You naughty creature! You didn't run Configure with sh! || I will attempt to remedy the situation by running sh for you... || -- Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want to add a constitutional monarchy that gets you most of the benefits of republic and some of the benefits of monarchy
01:50 <Rico> #night
01:50 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
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01:51 <madmax|pt> thats a curious quote
01:53 <Durka> #insult madmax|pt
01:53 <@armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a dizzy-eyed mound of plume-plucked scum. 
01:56 <madmax|pt> heh
01:57 <Durka> AHHHHH EAGLES WON!!!!
01:57 <Durka> GAME WINING FIELD GOAL!!!
01:57 <Durka> W00T!!!
02:00 <madmax|pt> o_O
02:01 <Durka> :p
02:02 <madmax|pt> let me guess, "football"?
02:02 <Durka> yes
02:02 <Durka> football not fútbol
02:03 <madmax|pt> not fútbol, futebol
02:03 <madmax|pt> :P
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok, added constitutional monarchy :)
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02:09 <Durka> madmax: go to bed!
02:09 <Durka> #time
02:09 <@armabot> Durka: 02:16 AM, January 08, 2007
02:09 <Durka> O
02:09 <Durka> it's only 2 16
02:09 <Durka> nvr mind :p
02:09 <Durka> ;)
02:11 <madmax|pt> -1 here
02:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
02:12 <madmax|pt> and, im going to bed now
02:12 <madmax|pt> gnight
02:13 <Durka> bye
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02:37 <Lucifer_arma> ah good, I was about to ask you to lock that thread, guru3 (hi there!) :)
02:39  * Durka sees spidey
02:40 <spidey> ...
02:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey, 
02:41 <DrJoeTron> this game drives me crazy:/
02:41 <DrJoeTron> defcon later tonight?
02:42 <spidey> amen!
02:42 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:43 <spidey> i'll have to shutdown my soldat server o.O
02:43 <Durka> spidey
02:43 <Durka> does
02:43 <Durka> j00 backa n00b
02:43 <Durka> ring a bell?
02:43 <spidey> maxing out my bandwidth i still get the same pings
02:43 <spidey> witch is weird
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't make sense that you need robotics to buid howitzers
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> *build
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> howitzers were WW2-era cannons
02:45 <spidey> no
02:45 <spidey> 1
02:45 <spidey> ww2 howitzers are artillery right?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, artillery is WWI cannons
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02:45 <Lucifer_arma> except that artillery should be Civil War era :)
02:55 <Durka> #luke
02:55 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
02:55  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
02:55 <Durka> ?
02:55 <spidey> #luke
02:55 <armabot> spidey: *click*
02:55 <spidey> #last --with "#alias add"
02:55 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 13233 messages.
02:59 <ToddKitchen> #luke
02:59 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
02:59 <ToddKitchen> #last --from luke --with add
02:59 <armabot> ToddKitchen: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 13268 messages.
02:59 <ToddKitchen> hrmm
03:00 <ToddKitchen> bleh....i may be at this computer all night....maybe i should dl freeciv and svn here....
03:10 <spidey> heh
03:12 <spidey> DrJoeTron, when defcon?
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03:28 <ToddKitchen> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with svn
03:28 <armabot> ToddKitchen: [06:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:44 <spidey> ...
03:45 <spidey> hmm
03:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
03:46 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: pong
03:46 <spidey> Durka, stfu
03:46 <Durka> #luke
03:46 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
03:46 <Durka> :p
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
03:47 <spidey> can i have a svn account? :D
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> sure
03:48 <spidey> k
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> user is spidey
03:48 <spidey> k
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> lemme know if it doesn't work for some reason
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> I assume you wanted access to the davesciv repo, which is what I gave you :)
03:49 <spidey> yea
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> you got the PM with the pass, right?
03:49 <spidey> You don't have permission to access /davesrules/trunk on this server.
03:49 <spidey> :(
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm giving strong passwords to everyone because svn keeps it for you.  If it were something you'd have to remember and type in yourself, I'd ask what pass you want
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> try again
03:50 <spidey> same
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> what url are you using?
03:50 <spidey> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> also, you sure you're putting the user/pass in correctly?  :)
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> davesciv, isn't it?
03:51 <spidey> <ToddKitchen> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with svn
03:51 <spidey> <armabot> ToddKitchen: [06:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:51 <spidey> ?
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> not davesrules
03:51 <spidey> o
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> then I gave the wrong one to someone
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trunk  <--- so the next search will give the right one :)
03:51 <spidey> that one worked
03:55 <spidey> ok so what do i "need"
03:55 <spidey> flags and?
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04:06 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, my i ask why the tiles.png has a horse.......................... but i never seeen a horse square!?
04:06 <spidey> seals to
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> you may ask, but I can't necessarily answer :)
04:10 <spidey> ok so how do i use this?
04:10 <spidey> 'er
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> if you make your flag an svg, I can convert it
04:10 <spidey> how do i load the ruleset?
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> use what, exactly?  :)
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> start a server with -r data/dave.serv
04:10 <spidey> clientside*
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> alternately, like in a local game, do "/rulesetdir davesrules"
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> this is after you copy the repo directory over the freeciv data dir in your installation
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> after you copy the repo directory, you should be able to update/commit from in there
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> just be careful not to add files that are already there, it'll make updating a pain for other people
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> you have to add to misc/flags.spec your flag, btw.
04:12 <spidey> yea
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> so, your nation/whatever.ruleset file for your civ, references a flag that you add to misc/flags.spec
04:12 <spidey> i'm not running svn on this box
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> the flag graphic itself goes in flags
04:12 <spidey> i'm downloading it from my server then coping it
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, whatever you do.  :)
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> if you put an svg in flags, then whenever I get to it, I'll use freeciv's conversion tool to make the pngs
04:13 <spidey> svg?
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> there's a catch we discovered last night, though.  Has to do with external references, just try to get a good .svg and dont' convert
04:14 <spidey> what's a svg?
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  That's if you want me to run the conversion tool on it.  Otherwise, you can just put a png in there, that's what van did
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> scalable vector graphics.  Use inkscape to edit it.  Alternately, check openclipart.org to see if they have the flag you want (that's where I got mine)
04:15 <spidey> wow
04:15 <spidey> server locked me out
04:15 <spidey> :/
04:15 <spidey> i was apt-getting svn
04:15 <spidey> then it locked me out 
04:15 <spidey> can't even connect to the servers that where running >.<
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04:16 <Durka> #hello
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04:16 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Thank God I'm an atheist.
04:16 <Durka> lol
04:18 <spidey> shouldn't that be a quot?
04:18 <spidey> quote*
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04:19 <spidey> took it long enough >.<
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04:29 <spidey> ok lets try this again xD
04:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i forgot how to use svn xD
04:31 <spidey> the client o.O
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> are you using the linux client?
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> or at least a commandline client?
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05:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, of course :p
05:12 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ready for defcon? :D
05:50 <mkzelda> spidey: The rls grp that put that out put out a crackfix
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07:03 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you've got some pretty dumb people down there in TX
07:03 <luke-jr> http://www.rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html
07:23 <ToddKitchen> there's some pretty dumb people in MO and KS as well
07:24 <ToddKitchen> and, i'd wager, about 47 other states as well
07:24 <ToddKitchen> and, perhaps, even in other countries
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> todd, what civ did you copy to make your civ, anyway?
07:27 <ToddKitchen> yours
07:27 <ToddKitchen> why?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's psycho :)
07:29 <ToddKitchen> howso?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> 4 civs, right?  Me, Dunedain, Mordor, and yours
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> yours is at war with everyone :)
07:29 <luke-jr> lol
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I met it, and it declared war the very next turn
07:31 <ToddKitchen> maybe you instigated it?
07:31 <ToddKitchen> i sure didn't raise it that way :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm Peace with everybody, not making alliances with known aggressive civs
07:34 <luke-jr> ...wtf
07:34 <luke-jr> 'mv' crashed my server
07:48 <ToddKitchen> wtg
07:59 <spidey> noob
07:59 <spidey> atleast apt-get didn't crash yours :/
08:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr ToddKitchen GodTodd ping?
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> what!
08:13 <spidey> we playin civ tonight? :p
08:16 <ToddKitchen> i'm not :P
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08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm playing right now, so probably won't play later
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I have to say, this constitutional monarchy is too strong
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's too many free units
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know where postfix keeps its logs?
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I figured out what's wrong with it
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08:58 <Lucifer_arma> man, the ais need to clean up their fucking pollution
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09:05 <ToddKitchen> there we go...a successful term paper finished on time :)
09:10 <spidey> lol
09:10 <spidey> 800 words?
09:10 <spidey> that's like what
09:10 <spidey> hours work? :p
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09:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, now you can edit my article :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> you know you're playing too much freeciv when you try to right-click to scroll your web browser
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09:18 <ToddKitchen> ok spidey...write an 800 word paper on the evolution of the American democracy...and make sure to follow MLA standards :P
09:18 <spidey> mla?
09:18 <ToddKitchen> yep
09:23 <ToddKitchen> it's cake once you do the research and formulate a cohesive structure in your head :)
09:35 <spidey> i want cake...
09:37 <spidey> i'll settle for fruitloops
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11:06 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6730 /private/z-man/clio/tests/ (18 files in 18 dirs): Added files to ignore list
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13:46 <Lucifer_arma> I love the names kids come up for things
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> I told my son to put on long pants because it's cold out, so he went to his mom and asked for "long-sleeve pants"
13:50 <guru3> l
13:50 <guru3> that's great ><
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14:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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16:04 <DrJoeTron> I can play the jew's harp now :D
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16:05 <DrJoeTron> or jaw harp
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> what's the jew's harp?  harmonica?
16:05 <DrJoeTron> or what ever the hell you call it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> round here we call it the "blues harp"
16:05 <P4> hi guys
16:06 <DrJoeTron> thats a harmonica
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> is he talking to me?
16:06 <DrJoeTron> jews harp is that instrument that makes that boing sound
16:06 <DrJoeTron> and has nothing to do with judaism
16:07 <DrJoeTron> like western movies
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16:07 <Lucifer_arma> that thing snoopy plays?
16:07 <DrJoeTron> nah
16:07 <DrJoeTron> Ill wiki it for you
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's the thing snoopy plays...
16:07 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_harp
16:08 <DrJoeTron> snoopy plays it?
16:08 <DrJoeTron> yeah he does
16:08 <DrJoeTron> ok
16:08 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:08 <DrJoeTron> thats the thing
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> Snoopy plays one in the animated film A Boy Named Charlie Brown
16:08 <DrJoeTron> I saw
16:09 <DrJoeTron> the wicker man?
16:09 <DrJoeTron> oh god
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'd love to play that :)
16:09 <DrJoeTron> its alot of fun
16:09 <DrJoeTron> hurts your teeth after a while
16:10 <DrJoeTron> I can see it destroying them
16:11 <DrJoeTron> seeing as how it involves you pressing it against them and plucking a metal thing
16:14 <z-man-work> Isn
16:14 <z-man-work> Isn't the vibrating thing supposed to go between your teeth?
16:14 <z-man-work> That
16:14 <z-man-work> gaa, unused to this keyboard
16:15 <z-man-work> That's how my father taught me quite a while back.
16:15 <DrJoeTron> z-man-work it does, but to make certain sounds you still have to bite it a little bit
16:15 <z-man-work> eek
16:15 <DrJoeTron> so the tips of my teeth are going to be ruined within like 12 years
16:16 <z-man-work> Nothing a load of candy won't do to them anyway :)
16:16 <DrJoeTron> thats right!
16:16 <DrJoeTron> I eat a jaw breaker right before bed
16:16 <DrJoeTron> dentists orders
16:18 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:18 <DrJoeTron> good forum lock
16:18 <DrJoeTron> HAI DEVS GET 2 WURK
16:18 <DrJoeTron> CHEK OUT DIS U TUBE VIDEO
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16:20 <z-man-work> I didn't see it was locked :)
16:20 <z-man-work> Also, noone can explain Kenny what "Last man standing" means.
16:21 <z-man-work> Not as if anyone would have tried...
16:25 <DrJoeTron> well thats locked troo
16:25 <DrJoeTron> too*
16:28 <guru3> i should get a plate for my room
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16:38 <guru3> in other news
16:38 <guru3> ive got a like 35p pizza
16:38 <DrJoeTron> I've got peanut butter filled pretzels
16:38 <guru3> peanut butter + pretzel is ok
16:38 <guru3> but not what im after atm
16:38 <ToddKitchen> you would, joe
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16:42 <Rico> hi
16:44 <guru3> that was tasty
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> er
16:45  * Lucifer_arma is tired of trying to explain what rubber is
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, how many times does some idiot have to say "You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want" before you get disgusted with the whole thing?
16:45 <ToddKitchen> 42
16:45  * Lucifer_arma is turning into a misanthropist
16:46 <z-man-work> Is that a fancy word for ass?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> sure
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> my wife has a nice misanthropist
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> #dict misanthropist
16:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Connection refused.
16:47 <guru3> haha
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the dictionary's broken
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> #list google
16:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell misanthropist
16:48 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it was too good to expect google to actually define the word
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=5906074&nav=2KPp
16:51 <z-man-work> whoops
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was the unseasonably cold weather?
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> maybe some gust of wind knocked them against a skyscraper?
16:52 <z-man-work> Hey, the same could happen to humans!
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> nah, they outlawed being homeless 10 years ago
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I wish I could hang it on Bush since he was governor then, but it was the Austin city council what done it
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> obviously they're worried it's that evil bird flu
16:54 <z-man-work> Yeah, but then merely closing down the city center would have zero effect
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> but it did approach freezing last night, and what with the warm weather I could see how migratory birds might have thought they had gone far enough only to get whacked by the cold
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16:55 <epsy> hi
16:55 <z-man-work> A more likely theory, yes.
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it is the bird flu, they can mitigate some of the damage those particular dead birds could cause
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> also, if it is the bird flu, well, most of the migratory birds in the US pass through this area
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, if they find it, that means it's already in most of the country, or will be in 6 months
16:56 <ToddKitchen> no...you "pass through" kansas...you "visit" texas ;)
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's only because it takes so goddammed long to pass through texas
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, a lot of canadian birds only go as far south as texas for the winter
16:56 <ToddKitchen> hell yeah it does
16:57 <ToddKitchen> 12 hour trip to new mexico and we spend like 9 of it in texas
16:57 <ToddKitchen> and that's not even the whole damn state
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> you're lucky.  Same 12 hour trip, only we spend 11 of it in texas because we have to go through el paso
16:57 <ToddKitchen> heh
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> I hear it's only 6 hours to lousiana, though
16:58 <ToddKitchen> less than that for us to shreveport, i think
16:58 <ToddKitchen> not sure tho
16:58 <ToddKitchen> 4-5 i believe
16:58 <ToddKitchen> hell i can be in oklahoma within an hour
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> 3iggy (ignaciomartinez10@hotmail.com) last active on Thursday, January 1, 1970- 12:00am. <--- I have the oldest website in the world!
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> oops, didn't mean to put the poor guy's email address in here
16:59 <ToddKitchen> heh
16:59  * ToddKitchen sells it to a spam list.
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16:59 <Ricochet> re
17:00 <DrJoeTron> tard
17:00 <ToddKitchen> joe, don't be so hard on yourself
17:00 <DrJoeTron>  :downs:
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/010806kvuegas-eh.1d105600.html
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> a more detailed article :)
17:00 <Ricochet> ehm whys my other nick still "logged on"
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> the dead birds were all found near the capitol, on south congress
17:00 <Ricochet> i just rebooted
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> er, just congress in that part of town
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's south congress after it crosses the river :)
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they were killed by bats, then :)
17:02 <ToddKitchen> we have bats here too?
17:02 <ToddKitchen> dammit
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 75 * 5 * 4
17:02 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 75 * 5 * 4 = 1,500
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, why do you think our hockey team is called the AUstin Icebats?
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> we have the largest bat population in north america, and most of them live under the south congress bridge
17:03 <ToddKitchen> honestly didn't know that
17:03 <ToddKitchen> heh
17:03 <ToddKitchen> more than carlsbad even?
17:03 <ToddKitchen> that's a lot
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> man, they're under every freaking bridge around here
17:03 <ToddKitchen> go into business selling guano?
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> too many liberals around here.  I can already see the envirofreaks whining about farming the bat population
17:05 <ToddKitchen> haha
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> these dead birds being near the capitol is interesting though
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> it could be terrorists!  arrrrrr!
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> ahoy matey, and set free ye bird killer!
17:06 <ToddKitchen> pirate terrorists now?
17:06 <ToddKitchen> the patriot act would allow us to put them in the hold indefinitely, eh?
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe perry just ate at Chuy's last night
17:07 <ToddKitchen> bahahaha
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> nah, governor's mansion isn't that close to the capitol
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> they closed congress from 1st to 11th
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> the capitol is on 12th, iirc
17:08 <ToddKitchen> hell no...capitols are usually in the bad parts of towns
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a few blocks away from 7th, which is where all the rapes happen
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> my wife used to know a girl who got raped on 7th, literally a few hundred yards from the cop shop
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> and a block away from that is the world famous 6th Street :)
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> (the reason people get mugged/raped on 7th is because that's the route to the parking lots under the freeway)
17:10 <ToddKitchen> ahhh
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17:15 <Lucifer_arma> #g 80 * 5 * 4
17:15 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 80 * 5 * 4 = 1,600
17:15 <Ricochet> #roulette
17:15 <@armabot> Ricochet: *click*
17:17 <Ricochet> whats the cmd to change nick? (/me is new to irc)
17:17 <ToddKitchen>  /nick
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17:18 <Rico> ty
17:34 <epsy> where i can find some introduction to inkscape?
17:36 <Rico> no idea
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18:06 <Rico> hi max hi kenny
18:06 <madmax|pt> hi
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18:07 <madmax|pt> #lastseen cusco
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18:07 <k3nNy> hey alex
18:07 <@armabot> madmax|pt: cusco-mac has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 1 days 16 hours 0 minutes ago.
18:08 <k3nNy> what is that feature, max, you can check when sb was on which server the last time?
18:08 <madmax|pt> yes
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
18:08 <k3nNy> nice :)
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #alias bigbrother "lastseen"
18:09 <k3nNy> ?
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rouletté, roulétte, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and (1 more message)
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add bigbrother "lastseen"
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #bigbrother Lucifer
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: timed out
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #bigbrother wrtl
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer has last been seen on G-Land (A Swamplords server) 5 days 8 hours 21 minutes ago.
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress 0 days 20 hours 30 minutes ago.
18:10 <k3nNy> not bad :)
18:10 <madmax|pt> does .2.8.2 have a bug about instant kills?
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, but bug reports for that are only valid if you don't play on lobster cage
18:12 <madmax|pt> on G-Land that happens to me a bit often (people crashing in my walls that is), and ca$h said yesterday that it was a bug on the version the server was running
18:12 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails G-land
18:12 <@armabot> madmax|pt: G-Land (A Swamplords server): No online players.
18:12 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails -v G-land
18:12 <@armabot> madmax|pt: G-Land (A Swamplords server) (72.177.4.248:4534) running 0.2.8.2.1 mac unix dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “Hosted by gss - A swamplords server.  Similar to Swampland: medium rubber, medium speed, no brakes, multi-bind friendly.  Show us what you've got!“, No online players.
18:12 <madmax|pt> ack
18:12 <madmax|pt> i guess its not
18:14 <madmax|pt> probably my ping there is the cause
18:14 <madmax|pt> heh
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> blaming lag is for sissies :)
18:15 <madmax|pt> I agree, fact is, im not doing it :P
18:16 <madmax|pt> it seems to happen much more often when its people grinding my walls
18:16 <madmax|pt> *are
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18:23 <DrJoeTron>  I'm going to start kicking people if they ever blame lag for there death
18:24 <DrJoeTron> because we all know its there, you probably would have died if there was no lag.
18:24 <DrJoeTron> people need to embrace the fact that lag is apart of the gameplay
18:24 <DrJoeTron> and watch the friggin lagometer :d
18:25 <Rico> yea but theres normal lag, which ppl can deal with, but its the random unpredictable lag that gets me
18:25 <DrJoeTron> its not like anyone else DOESN't Get it
18:25 <Rico> i know
18:25 <DrJoeTron> soo
18:26 <DrJoeTron> theres no point
18:26 <Rico> unless its my isp
18:26 <Rico> which is awful
18:26 <DrJoeTron> if you don't see a screen
18:26 <DrJoeTron> then thats a problem
18:27 <madmax|pt> yeah, the lagometer proves pretty useful. on those "i'm ahead" issues for instance, you can be pretty sure if you are ahead or not.
18:27 <Rico> unless of course its the oops team sumo
18:27 <Rico> aka lag central
18:27 <madmax|pt> heh i hate when people blame lag everytime they die
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> I for one am happy the lagometer finally shows the player's color
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> less accidental teamkills that way
18:27 <madmax|pt> same with the "?", "omg", "????", etc.
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, sometimes you just have to say "what the FUCK happened?"
18:28 <Rico> lol
18:28 <madmax|pt> lol
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to take the approach that every time I die, it means I fucked up, no matter what
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> that way, when I do blame lag, I feel pretty confident it aactually was lag and not just me looking for a cop-out
18:28 <Rico> you have to be honest though (max) that oops team sumo is ridiculously unpredictable
18:28 <DrJoeTron> or like "I could've sworn I made that... oh well"
18:29 <DrJoeTron> going "OMFG LAGGG!!!!!" just makes me laugh 
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18:29 <Rico> yup
18:29 <madmax|pt> i'm trying to make a perfect anti-lag taunt, currently it is "Lag is pretty fun if you ask me." but i guess thats not good enough
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> and then I don't argue it.  If I say "lag" and I think it really was lag, and someone says "No, you just suck", don't argue it
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18:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Lag only kills cockbleeding chickenshit sissies"?
18:30 <madmax|pt> Hm, that sounds ok.
18:30 <madmax|pt> is it copyrighted?
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> of course!
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> GPL, though
18:30 <DrJoeTron> I still like "I don't suck, you're cheating!
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> so make sure you distribute the sources!
18:30 <madmax|pt> :)
18:30 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: is that an option?
18:31 <luke-jr_work> the colours lag-o-meter
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: if you distribute the binary, you have to give up the sources on request
18:31 <luke-jr_work> coloured*
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> oh
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> I dont know, I think it's just the way it is now
18:31 <luke-jr_work> I think I prefer white
18:31 <luke-jr_work> "now"?
18:31 <z-man-work> yeah, the blend value is a parameter
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> as in "after it was implemented"
18:31 <madmax|pt> Rico: not that "ridiculously unpredictable"... but yes, sometimes its pretty bad, but, since its for everyone...
18:32 <luke-jr_work> ooh, so I could have a 50% white, 50% colour?
18:32 <luke-jr_work> that sounds nice
18:32 <z-man-work> yes
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's be honest.  Most of the time your ISP is consistent one way or the other
18:32 <luke-jr_work> a tinted lag-o-meter :)
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> so you're going to have serious problems when your ISP is not consistent
18:32 <madmax|pt> theres no point in blaming lag, someone is already dead, and someone else just went away happy, who cares
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you really want to know...
18:32 <Rico> hm, i guess
18:33 <madmax|pt> perhaps the next time it will be the opposite, and you'll get "lucky"
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> perhaps
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes it's useful to know why you died so you can figure out a way not to die next time that happens
18:33 <k3nNy> that remindes me of a funny death of durka yesterday at the ladle
18:33 <k3nNy> i was watching him and someone attacked him an i though the attacker is dead
18:33 <k3nNy> but durka was
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes it's useful to know why what you did worked, and if it worked because of lag, you need to know that befor eyou try it on one of those damn 60-pingers
18:34 <DrJoeTron> only 2 games for the VC today :
18:36 <DrJoeTron> well I just broke my lip sneezing :/
18:36 <madmax|pt> when i start to see the ... "blurry screen" effect, i generally go into a ... defensive mode
18:37 <DrJoeTron> when I alt tab
18:37 <DrJoeTron> the lagometers get huge
18:37 <DrJoeTron> and I just sit there and go "well fuck" and wait to die.
18:37 <madmax|pt> lol yep
18:37 <DrJoeTron> and its like "wait maybe I can get awa...NOPE"
18:38 <madmax|pt> thats particularly nice when you switch fullscreen on a fortress start
18:38 <DrJoeTron> and then I proceed to type in red annoying text and blame lag and shout racial slurs
18:38 <DrJoeTron> just to let everyone know I died
18:39 <DrJoeTron> because the game doesn't ever say it
18:39 <DrJoeTron> so I think people need to know
18:41 <cusco> yoo madmax|pt 
18:41 <madmax|pt> ah, you're alive 
18:42 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:46 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: yeah, there are instant kills
18:46 <wrtlprnft> I don't understand z-man-work's reason, but he says fixing it would more or less require a rewrite of the engine
18:49 <luke-jr_work> I thought z-man-work was opposing the rewrite?
18:49 <luke-jr_work> has that changed?
18:51 <z-man-work> no :)
18:51 <z-man-work> Fixing the instant kills would require only a rewrite of the core engine.
18:51 <z-man-work> I'm not opposed to rewriting individual systems as the need arises.
18:51 <z-man-work> What I'm opposed against is trowing away everything.
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18:53 <z-man-work> In the case of the instant kills, the entire way we think about game objects and network syncs would be affected. It would lead to big simplifications all over the place, but it would be something with big side effects.
18:53 <z-man-work> Not anything that can be done on a rainy afternoon :)
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18:54 <z-man-work> Getting rid of ping charity would also, in theory, get rid of the instant kills.
18:55 <z-man-work> Or getting rid of rubber :)
18:57 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: the reason behind the instant kills is that each game object has its own time. Depending on the player's ping, they are allowed to trail behind the real server time by various amounts (ping/2 if ping charity is big).
18:57 <madmax|pt> ...now that would cause big effects.
18:58 <z-man-work> So to really know which game object comes first in a collision, both must be simulated up to the time of the collision...
18:58 <z-man-work> and by then, the early, low-ping game object may already be simulated too far ahead to revert to the safe spot before the collision.
19:04 <z-man-work> z-man's gameplay tip for the instant kills: don't turn. You only get instakilled if the other guy was ahead, had a higher ping than you and you turned after crossing his wall.
19:06 <madmax|pt> thats pretty much what I've been seing. makes sense
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19:21 <wrtlprnft> don't turn? o_O
19:25 <z-man-work> Hey, if you don't like mine, get your gameplay advice from somewhere else :)
19:26 <wrtlprnft> i don't understand how that would help
19:26 <z-man-work> The problem is this: only when the high ping player drives into your wall...
19:27 <z-man-work> the engine knows there has been a collision. But the high ping player is now determined to actually have been at the collision point before you!
19:27 <wrtlprnft> but how does turning change this?
19:27 <z-man-work> So the game has do do something about it. If it can, it places you back just before the collision point.
19:27 <wrtlprnft> ah, after turns it can't do that
19:27 <luke-jr_work> z-man-work: a rewrite could recycle old code as needed
19:27 <wrtlprnft> now it makes sense
19:28 <z-man-work> If you turned, it can't place you back any more. You've altered data structures in an irreversible way.
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19:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: fine, then the engine rewrite would be a rewrite of all of arma
19:28 <wrtlprnft> we'll just recycle all code except the engine code :)
19:29 <z-man-work> A smaller eGrid rewrite could make the data structure chage reversible, that would be another possibility. But still, putting you back is a semi-ugly hack even now if you didn't turn.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> bbl, supper
19:29 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: I'm not sure the other code will all work with a rewritten engine as-is
19:30 <luke-jr_work> note my proposal reduced the main binary to a mere engine too
19:31 <z-man-work> luke-jr_work: I think I made it pretty clear that my final word on this has been spoken. It's madness. You don't even have a plan what exacly should be rewritten.
19:32 <luke-jr_work> easier than modifying our current code to do everything
19:32 <z-man-work> You can't prove that without a plan.
19:32 <luke-jr_work> or at least just as easy
19:33 <luke-jr_work> my first post on the matter had a plan
19:33 <z-man-work> "just as easy" is not enough to justify no releasable build for three years to come.
19:33 <z-man-work> No, that wasn't a plan. That was just a list.
19:33 <z-man-work> You didn't even pinpoint the problems in the current code that need fixing.
19:34 <luke-jr_work> you said the "no releasable build for three years", not I
19:34 <z-man-work> And most of your list items are NEW systems anyway
19:34 <luke-jr_work> if there wasn't new stuff we needed, there'd be no reason for code changes, let alone a rewrite
19:34 <z-man-work> Well, without a plan, I'm just assuming the rewrite would take half as long as getting here in the first place, which were six years.
19:34 <z-man-work> three years is my optimistic estimate.
19:35 <luke-jr_work> how much of that time was spent doing nothing?
19:35 <luke-jr_work> you're also assuming the current code base is totally abandoned and left unmaintained
19:35 <z-man-work> Right. Add another two years for that work.
19:36 <luke-jr_work> you missed the part about using a higher level language where possible, allowing faster development and more developers, too
19:36 <z-man-work> So we can pick between three years without releases and five years with minimal maintanance releases.
19:37 <z-man-work> Where are those developers going to come from?
19:37 <luke-jr_work> the community, I would presume
19:37 <z-man-work> Fact is, developers are attracted by releases.
19:37 <z-man-work> You see something cool, you decide to contribute.
19:38 <luke-jr_work> what does a release have to do with something cool?
19:38 <z-man-work> If you don't see something because it's only being built, you don't come.
19:38 <luke-jr_work> well, releases*
19:38 <luke-jr_work> there's already past releases as examples to attract people
19:38 <z-man-work> Not nearly as effective as fresh releases.
19:39 <luke-jr_work> it seems to me Arma didn't get nearly as much development until it was abandoned for some months
19:39 <z-man-work> That's because I'm a lousy team coordinator :) I scared everyone who contributed bits away. guru3 is much better at that.
19:40 <luke-jr_work> you're also assuming we don't have releases of the new version until it's complete
19:40  * z-man-work is off for dinner (going home first, obviosly)
19:41 <z-man-work> and I really see zero reason to discuss this further without a REAL plan.
19:41 <z-man-work> Because in the end, not nearly as much code needs rewriting as you assume now.
19:42 <z-man-work> Apart from the config system and the UI, every system is pretty well isolated and can be refactored independend from the others.
19:42 <z-man-work> Without trailing tons of changes.
19:43 <z-man-work> See the socket handling refactoring a while back for reference. Same thing with the horrible gGame: it's not actually used from the outside, so it can be handled as an isolated problem.
19:43 <z-man-work> No need to tear down the building to change a lightbulb.
19:43  * z-man-work is really off now.
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20:50 <wrtlprnft> i hate armabell
20:50 <wrtlprnft> the maps it generates are crap.
20:50 <DrJoeTron> thats still in use?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> by some people
20:50 <wrtlprnft> it's the easiest to use map editor out there
20:51 <wrtlprnft> it generates tons of redundand points
20:51 <luke-jr_work> ouch
20:51 <luke-jr_work> is the src open?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no
20:51 <wrtlprnft> and it was lost in a hd crash
20:51 <luke-jr_work> does it use our code?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no
20:51 <luke-jr_work> hm
20:52 <wrtlprnft> what would it use it for?
20:52 <luke-jr_work> what language was it?
20:52 <luke-jr_work> XML? shrug
20:52 <luke-jr_work> our DTD maybe
20:52 <luke-jr_work> tho I don't recall the DTD license
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i doubt it uses a DTD
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20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 50/48
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 50 / 48 = 1.04166667
20:53 <luke-jr_work> decompile it maybe
20:53 <wrtlprnft> look at the thread. iF is super prod that he made it extra hard
20:55 <wrtlprnft> *proud
20:55 <DrJoeTron> does iF even play arma anymore?
20:55 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:55 <luke-jr_work> what thread?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> search for armabell
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21:42 <|Sticky|> quite in here
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it is quiet quite often ;)
21:43 <|Sticky|> :P
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i guess i'm the person talking the least in here
21:46 <wrtlprnft> no
21:46 <wrtlprnft> that's deja_vu 
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm yeah
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could be
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> where's the ircstats?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> #ircstats
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol ><
21:47 <@armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
21:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
21:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm on rank 14
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm probably just improving it ><
21:53 <wrtlprnft> hehe
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wondering if i should be listening to loud music
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> neighbors might not like me doing that
21:54  * wrtlprnft wonders if the newest DRM madness already forces you to listen to your music at a given volume
21:56 <deja_vu> thanks wrtlprnft :P
21:56 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:56 <wrtlprnft> see, i'm helping you to change that
21:57 <deja_vu> :p
22:02 <luke-jr_work> [Xpert]DarkStar: ... it's in the topic
22:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_work: seen it myself in the meantime
22:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it wasn't visible to me as my terminal window was too small
22:04 <luke-jr_work> heh
22:16 <spidey> #last --with spidey
22:16 <@armabot> spidey: [09:25:18] <ToddKitchen> ok spidey...write an 800 word paper on the evolution of the American democracy...and make sure to follow MLA standards :P
22:18 <spidey> wow
22:19 <spidey> there's a clan called "tronners in pajamas" and one called "brotherz from another motherz"
22:19 <spidey> o.o
22:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
22:24 <DrJoeTron> pong
22:24 <spidey> no defcon last night? :(
22:25 <DrJoeTron> sorry, I had to wake up early :/
22:25 <DrJoeTron> baby I can change
22:25 <spidey> YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT!
22:25 <DrJoeTron> :/
22:25  * spidey throws the ring at joes face and stomps out the door
22:26 <k3nNy> xD
22:26 <DrJoeTron> :O
22:26 <DrJoeTron> hm....
22:26 <DrJoeTron> \o/
22:26 <DrJoeTron> I'm free!
22:26 <spidey> lmao
22:26 <DrJoeTron> I think lmao should be replaced with lmbo
22:27 <spidey> ??
22:27 <DrJoeTron> it sounds better
22:27 <spidey> right...
22:27 <spidey> how about defcon now? :p
22:27 <DrJoeTron> my friend just came up the drive way
22:28 <DrJoeTron> possibly later tonight
22:28 <DrJoeTron> see ya
22:28 <spidey> telll him to go away!
22:37 <wrtlprnft> in tron, who's the user of that RAM program?
22:37 <wrtlprnft> the one that ends up dying shortly after the lightcycle thing
22:38 <k3nNy> i dont know what ur talking about :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> movie
22:38 <k3nNy> ooooooh :) well i only have seen parts of it so i really dont now it
22:39 <z-man> He/she is unknown. Isn't RAM an accounting program?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:39 <z-man> Or was that the other guy from the cell?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> there's three
22:39 <wrtlprnft> one's flynn, one's tron, and one's that ram guy
22:39 <z-man> yeah, that's the lightcycle team.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:39 <z-man> but earler, there are at least two other programs.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> well, one's killed by flynn
22:40 <z-man> the one that introduces Flynn to the grid rules
22:40 <z-man> and that one :)
22:40 <wrtlprnft> umm, the guy who introduces him is the guy that's talking to the MCP all the time, right?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> just asked about RAM to be sure i didn't miss any connection :)
22:41 <z-man> No, I didn't mean him. I meant the other friendly blue guy.
22:41 <z-man> the "at least two other programs" should have been "at least two other blue programs".
22:41 <wrtlprnft> but that one never gets named
22:41 <z-man> Plenty of evil red ones about.
22:41 <z-man> true.
22:42 <wrtlprnft> obviously there's a lot of guys at the same time when flynn sees tron for the first time
22:42 <wrtlprnft> but they never even talk, except one
22:42 <wrtlprnft> *for one
22:44 <wrtlprnft> but the lightcycle sequence never shows any CYCLE_ACCEL :(
22:44 <z-man> STFU :)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> so gltron's simulation is more accurate with the small boost you get :P
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not that it matters, of course, grinding is fun :)
22:47  * wrtlprnft wonders what the pacman is doing on that big map right after they escape from the grid
22:47 <luke-jr_work> heh
22:47 <luke-jr_work> not much
22:47 <luke-jr_work> he's somehow not moving
22:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/pacman.png for those who haven't seen it
22:49 <k3nNy> wrtl: maybe this helps you out:
22:49 <k3nNy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28film%29
22:50 <k3nNy> further below under cast theres this
22:50 <k3nNy> # Dan Shor ... Ram but dont ask me what it is :)
22:52 <wrtlprnft> what a boring way :P
22:52 <k3nNy> :) true
22:54 <wrtlprnft> aanyways, where tron and ram kill that blue guy in the lightcycle sequence, that would be suicide in arma
22:55 <wrtlprnft> probably one of them would have died and the blue guy could have escaped through the hole
22:55 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry2-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
22:55 <k3nNy> yup
22:56 <wrtlprnft> and because of the super-high acceleration between two walls he'd have taken them over anyways
22:56 <z-man> Umm, CYCLE_WIDTH?
22:56 <z-man> And we don't know what CYCLE_DELAY is set at.
22:56 <k3nNy> xD
22:57 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i don't think they can double bind
22:57 <wrtlprnft> though, adjusting might work
22:57 <wrtlprnft> if they do it at the same time
22:59 <z-man> We could do a competition: re-create the Tron LC sequence in Arma as best as you can :)
22:59 <z-man> different difficulties, of course.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:59 <z-man> Basic difficulty: every shot, different settings and a fresh start are allowed.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> note there's a short one at the beginning, too
22:59 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry2-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
23:01 <z-man> Medium: same settings for all shots, but restarts are allowed.
23:01 <z-man> Hardest: all in a single session :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be pretty impossible without rubber and brakes, at that speed
23:01 <z-man> Bonus points for getting Flynn to the other side of his own wall when he escapes after crashing the blue guy :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that part that's in incam mode
23:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:02 <z-man> Flynn makes that one guy crash into the rim, right?
23:02 <z-man> And then escapes through the hole.
23:02 <z-man> but, how does he get to the hole?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> all the way around his own tail?
23:02 <z-man> He has to go all the way round his own wall.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> there's cuts, pbviously
23:02 <wrtlprnft> *o
23:03  * z-man is still sceptical
23:03 <yojimbo> perhaps he takes the bridge?
23:03 <yojimbo> not sure what u talk about :P . . .
23:03 <wrtlprnft> ramps and flying cycles?
23:03 <z-man> and Lasers!
23:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:04 <wrtlprnft> they just don't show it
23:05 <wrtlprnft> how the f** does that work anyways?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> they both go straight, meet each other at the centre
23:05 <z-man> Good timing?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> then gold does an u- turn around blue
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and then, how do they get to a blue corner without any sign of a gold wall?
23:06 <yojimbo> wait...what ya all watching?
23:06 <yojimbo>  /talking about...?
23:06  * yojimbo is confused
23:06 <wrtlprnft> tron :P
23:07 <yojimbo> i see
23:07 <yojimbo> :p
23:07  * wrtlprnft still doesn't see how that's possible
23:08 <z-man> Yeah, the global strategy is pretty much made up to look good in the individual shots :)
23:09 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:09 <wrtlprnft> well, it's not possible imho
23:09 <yojimbo> I like to ride my trooon....
23:09 <wrtlprnft> the first blue guy to die can't hit a rim wall
23:09 <yojimbo> what about the less honest opinion...
23:09 <yojimbo> ?
23:10 <yojimbo> dont mind me
23:10 <z-man> You don't need to tell us that :)
23:15 <z-man> I actually haven't seen the LC sequence in a while, so I can't remember specific inconsistencies. But I do remember trying to put it all together and failing.
23:15 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
23:15 <k3nNy> what is that armabot saying all the time
23:16 <yojimbo> jus talking about life....death...and whats in between...
23:17 <yojimbo> tron being the thing inbetween...
23:17 <yojimbo> hmmm....
23:17 <yojimbo> that doesnt make sense
23:17 <luke-jr_work> k3nNy: new maps
23:17 <k3nNy> hm kk :)
23:18 <k3nNy> they get released here everytime?
23:18 <luke-jr_work> announced
23:18 <luke-jr_work> as do all changes to the game code
23:18 <k3nNy> ah k
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:20 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:20 <k3nNy> gn8
23:20 <yojimbo> guten nacht
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00:28 <luke-jr_work> well, that's one potential new developer with a rewrite...
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03:31 <_Sticky_> hay all
03:32 <_Sticky_> does anyone know what this redice thing is all about?
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03:43 <luke-jr> spideylog: spidey
03:43 <luke-jr> spidey: spideylog
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04:24 <Durka_> #hello
04:24 <@armabot> Hello Durka_ :) Random Fortune: Visit[1] the beautiful Smoky Mountains! || [1] visit, v.: || Come for a week, spend too much money and pay lots of hidden taxes, || then leave. We'll be happy to see your money again next year. || You can save time by simply sending the money, if you're too busy.
04:37 <arctanx> hey Durka_, do you know what's up with custang? He's all like "man change this and this, do u play at ddl? it's cool. u should sign up at the website, they help u build fortress server" and I'm like "wtf"? :P
04:37 <arctanx> I assume that's your server ;)
04:38 <Durka_> umm...ya///
04:39 <Durka_> thats my server
04:39 <Durka_> u need help?
04:39 <arctanx> Not really, I was just wondering if anyone has worked out how to deal with that guy's psychosis
04:42 <mkzelda> :< i cant join ww sumo
04:42 <mkzelda> i've had this problem for a while now, resource unavailable, cant dl the map
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04:43 <mkzelda> the map could not be loaded, the server you tried to connect to may have a broken configuration you should inform the server admin
04:44 <mkzelda> resource-0.3.1-a.dtd not found in cache, downloading, 404
04:44 <mkzelda> then xml validation error in sumo_4x4-0.1.1.aamap.xml
04:45 <mkzelda> then map.dtd:10: I/O error : failed to load external entity %resource.mod;]]>
04:46 <mkzelda> then a lot of validity error no declaration for attirbute version of element resource type "aamap" name="sumo_4x4" version="0.1.1" author="z-man" category="fortress"... over and over
04:48 <mkzelda> interesting reference of the smoky mountains by armabot
04:49 <mkzelda> i grew up near there
04:49 <mkzelda> its like any other tourist trap
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05:16 <luke-jr> mkzelda: sounds like a buggy server
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: RAM's user is the kid that asked for the popcorn in the cubical next to TRON's user (whose name escapes me)
05:39  * spidey has offically resigned from mbc
05:39 <spidey> o.O
05:40 <spidey> #g 100 meters in ft
05:40 <@armabot> spidey: 100 meters = 328.08399 feet
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06:11 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ping
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> so are you going to be one of those weird people that goes from clan to clan, taking what makes you feel good and giving nothing in return, now?
06:19 <spidey> nah
06:19 <spidey> more than likely lizz me and damien will have a tron devision for the soldat clan
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, this constitutional monarchy is a great government :)
06:22 <spidey> lizz says hello, Lucifer_arma 
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> hi lizz (who's lizz?)
06:23 <spidey> .........
06:23 <spidey> wizzee
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I only know her as wolverine :)
06:23 <spidey> :p
06:24 <|Sticky|> hay all
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06:29 <Lucifer_arma> wow, this sdl client is beautiful
06:29 <|Sticky|> client for what??
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv
06:31 <|Sticky|> ahh
06:31 <|Sticky|> lucifer your one of the arma developers arnt you??
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> who wants to know?
06:31 <|Sticky|> me
06:32 <|Sticky|> any idea why the fps absolutly plumets as a server fills,
06:32 <spidey> you too?
06:32 <spidey> i thought it was on my end
06:32 <spidey> o.o
06:32 <|Sticky|> well everyone reports it
06:33 <spidey> it gets almost unplayable on a server with 16 people
06:33 <|Sticky|> the effect is to sever to be the load of an extra few players on the gfx
06:34 <|Sticky|> since 10 people is practicly no different to 2 in fps...add the 5 extra and it takes a nose dive
06:36 <Compn> 16 people is fine
06:36 <|Sticky|> many people report differently
06:36 <Compn> i'd like to know why CTF and other respawn mods get so laggy
06:37 <Compn> but yeah, 20 people or so and it tanks my fps too
06:37 <|Sticky|> apparently the ctf problem is that the zones crated to look like the flag dont get removed till the end of the round
06:37 <|Sticky|> they just get set to size 0
06:38 <Compn> so?
06:39 <|Sticky|> so you end up with hundreds of zones by the end of a long round
06:39 <Compn> oh
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, the client has to simulate all the players too
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's a lot of work!
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> and there's probably lots of room for code optimization :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> basically, the best thing you can do to improve fps is to turn off mirroring (off by default, iirc), and the floor
06:40 <spidey> i've got all those off
06:41 <spidey> on a server with 5 people i get 90fps
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you have a video driver that's worth a fuck (true for anybody not using ATI in linux), try enabling display lists (also default)
06:41 <spidey> on a server with 16 i get 20-30
06:41 <|Sticky|> well i run linux with the minimum graphics settings
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not talking about changes that will make your fps skyrocket, just avoid the game becoming unplayable :)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> on my box in the back, a full server brings it down to 7fps
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> on my laptop, I stay around 30 for the most part, but on an empty server I get ~80
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I run with max graphics settings, though.
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, this freeciv sdl client is fucking beautiful
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I wanted!  Just a pain to use
06:42 <|Sticky|> it just seems that the degredation in fps has a very sharp drop after a certain number of people
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> but it gives you a full-screen map-based UI.  There doesn't seem to be a chat panel, though :/
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's a steady drop, it just seems it's not :)
06:43 <|Sticky|> can anyone recomend a good c++ profiler
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> until you get under about 40 fps, you may not even notice it's dropping
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, we kind of support the gnu profile (forgot its name)
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> as in "someone at some point has built with profiling"
06:44 <|Sticky|> gprof
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I think I posted instructions on the forums.  search for "profiling" and you should find it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, turn sparks off :)
06:44 <|Sticky|> heh as soon as its done then have to wait for a server with 16 people:)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the result of the profiling I did way back when was to positively identify sparks as the #1 performance hit
06:46 <|Sticky|> do you recon the fps problem is definately client side...people keep saying its the server but that sounds bollox to me
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> um, how can the server cause fps hits on the client?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> (well, it can, but it's unlikely for the symptoms you're describing)
06:47 <|Sticky|> thats what i thought
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> just remember, people, especially around here, naturally try to blame shit that's as far from themselves as possible
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I can cross-compile freeciv
06:48 <|Sticky|> what target?
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> mingw
06:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, the server can so
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> see, the reason I'm not moving to the 2.1 beta series is because I use the warclient, and the warclient hasn't been ported to the 2.1 beta
06:49 <|Sticky|> dunt if its using sdl pross platform gfx is never great
06:49 <spidey> i can cause someone to get fps lag, when they're across the map..not looking at me
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I asked 'how', not 'if'
06:49 <spidey> double bind
06:49 <spidey> really quick
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the server causing it, though
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's another player causing it :)
06:50 <spidey> alot, and it'll drop everyone to 2fps untill the round's over
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> I do shit like that knowing it'll hurt people with worse computers than my own
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course, a high cycle_delay addresses most of that problem
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you use any warclient-specific features?
06:51 <spidey> not really
06:52 <spidey> i don't have warclient right now, i have to reinstall civ cause i messed up with your ruleset >.<
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody here?  I'm looking at the 2.1 beta and the city tab has everything I use there, so apparently the warclient didn't add anything in that tab that I actually use
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> check out the sdl client while you're at it then.  :)
06:52 <spidey> ?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> see, I know SDL, I don't know gtk
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I *like* SDL, too
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06:56 <Durka> #hello
06:56 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? || A: You won't find a lawyer who can change a light bulb. Now, if || you're looking for a lawyer to screw a light bulb...
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07:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to write up a qt gui for freeciv
07:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: hmm, i wonder how you know that ;)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> from watching the movie?  :)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had the same question, actually, and watched it one time just to answer it
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> he's a minor character, which is why they can kill him and not the main characters.  What I don't remember is TRON's user's name
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I just remember he played Scarecrow in The Scarecrow and Mrs. King
07:22 <wrtlprnft> alan :P
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> the important programs all have users you can pick out by the fact the programs are played by the same actors/actresses that play their users
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> the old man prophet program's user is the guy that argues with Sark's user (whose name I've forgotten)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's only 1 girl in the movie, so her user/program pair is easy to pick out
07:24 <wrtlprnft> hmm
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the only thing I find really wrong about the movie is the user/program pairing.  I have a hard time believing that every user in a system has to write his own program to do work
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like if Flynn really wrote all the tank programs, then all the tank program crews should be played by Jeff Bridges
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Jeff Bridges, on his website, directs people to play GLTron
07:29 <wrtlprnft> haha
07:30 <wrtlprnft> flynn wrote all those game programs as far as i get it
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.jeffbridges.com/stuffdec06.html  <-- scroll down to the tron link, it links to GLTron
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Sark's user only wrote Sark and the MCP
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> he stole the game programs from Flynn, which is kind of the fundamental plot element :)
07:32 <wrtlprnft> oof, which one is that (link)?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's waaaay at the bottom
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> that page used to be a lot smaller :/
07:33 <wrtlprnft> got it :)
07:33 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
07:33 <wrtlprnft> there's news on the gltron site?!
07:34 <wrtlprnft> great. now i can play thousands of super dumb AIs… great.
07:34 <wrtlprnft> note that they're cheating
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I really *really* hate Jeff Bridges's website
07:35 <wrtlprnft> they can turnhttp://www.gltron.org/#05.01.2007
07:35 <wrtlprnft> oops
07:35 <wrtlprnft> they can turn around a corner in such a way that no human can
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07:38 <Lucifer_arma> where's that?  I'm not finding it
07:39 <wrtlprnft> just the newest news
07:40 <wrtlprnft> btw, i just figured that matrix reloaded features nmap and ssh :)
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I knew that, and I hven't even seen it!
07:47 <wrtlprnft> i'd make a screenshot, but…
07:47 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/matrix.png
07:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways, off to school, cya
07:47 <Durka> wrtl no!
07:47 <Durka> wait
07:47 <Durka> real quick
07:49 <Durka> gimme ur take on this
07:49 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?t=184
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> wow, the sdl client for freeciv is really nice
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> only thing it really needs is sorting the city report
07:51 <wrtlprnft> aaah
07:51 <wrtlprnft> quick: i can't tell, really. I'm fine with either :)
07:51 <wrtlprnft> cya really
07:51 <wrtlprnft> school in 8 minutes
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> have fun
07:52 <Durka> k bye
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you know if we're using anything in the server that really requires the warserver?  :/
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think we are.  The server adds an autoattack that I don't like, and otherwise we've had to enable options that are disabled by the server
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> by default.  Like techtrading and citytrading and stuff
07:55 <Durka> #last --from spidey
07:55 <@armabot> Durka: [06:59:44] <spidey> ?
07:55 <Durka> #time
07:55 <@armabot> Durka: 08:03 AM, January 09, 2007
07:56 <Durka> spidey: ping
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08:43 <Durka> #ngith
08:43 <Durka> #night
08:43 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
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13:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
13:55 <madmax|pt> I thought Norms was worse, "omg"/"lag"/"LOL!"-wise
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15:36 <DrJoeTron> Fuck!
15:36 <DrJoeTron> I missed the counselors again :/
15:37 <DrJoeTron> why does everyone need guidance all of a sudden
15:43 <wrtlprnft> end of the semester coming up?
16:03 <DrJoeTron> nah
16:03 <DrJoeTron> its starting
16:03 <wrtlprnft> whatever your schedule is :P
16:08 <DrJoeTron> I start next week :/
16:56 <DrJoeTron> server seems to be barren this month
16:56 <DrJoeTron> cool :D
16:57 <DrJoeTron> it's been nothing jerkwads last month
17:17 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
17:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.9.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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17:42 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.10.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
18:18 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
18:18 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 55.4°F (5:00 PM WET on January 09, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
18:21 <wrtlprnft> quote: can some1 teach me how i get a D with a bind in the middle or this (_) on the up ?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> question: what did he want?
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18:23 <epsy> hi
18:29 <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:30 <luke-jr_work> hi
18:31 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6731 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Wrapped std::istringstream so we can use tConfItemBase::LoadAll/LoadLine.
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18:41 <epsy> Oo
18:41 <epsy> _i got an error in svn while co...
18:41 <Compn> what error?
18:42 <epsy> ..
18:42 <epsy> 'error when adding directory 'src/swig', this file already exists
18:42 <epsy> on the trunk branch
18:42 <Compn> try svn update ?
18:42 <Compn> hehe
18:42 <epsy> :P
18:42 <Compn> or svn cleanup
18:43 <epsy> still same arror
18:43 <epsy> well
18:43 <epsy> cd ..
18:43 <epsy> rm -R arma-svn
18:45 <Compn> if you keep typing your commands in this window, no wonder your stuff is broke! :p
18:45 <epsy> lol
18:56  * epsy is still downloading last'ed svn ...
18:56 <epsy> meh
18:56  * epsy is still downloading lasted svn ...
18:56 <epsy> s*et
18:56 <epsy> *et
18:57 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:59 <luke-jr_work> epsy: what OS?
18:59 <epsy> gentoo linux x86
19:02 <luke-jr_work> using the ebuild?
19:02 <epsy> no
19:02 <epsy> downloading directly from svn...
19:03 <epsy> anyway there is no -9999 ebuild in the overlay, rifght?
19:03 <epsy> *right?
19:05 <luke-jr_work> not well-tested, no
19:05 <luke-jr_work> and not version 9999 because that doesn't exist
19:05 <epsy> well, 9999 ebuild are normally for versions from cvs/svn...
19:05 <luke-jr_work> [ebuild  N    ] games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693  USE="opengl -debug -dedicated -moviepack -moviesounds -ruby" LINGUAS="en -es" 0 kB [5]
19:06  * luke-jr_work ponders for a better pkg name than 'live'
19:07 <epsy> why not =games-action/armagetronad-9999 ?
19:08 <luke-jr_work> because there is no ver 9999
19:08 <epsy> well i'm telling you that...
19:09 <epsy> 9999 ebuilds are normally used for versions from cvs/svn...
19:09 <luke-jr_work> normally maybe
19:09 <epsy> :P
19:10 <epsy> why dont use that sort of thing?
19:12 <epsy> meh
19:12 <epsy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "armagetronad-live".
19:12 <epsy> Oo
19:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6732 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: --disable-ruby if USE=-ruby, dep sdl-mixer
19:12 <luke-jr_work> epsy: layman -S
19:12 <epsy> yeah i did
19:12 <luke-jr_work> and unmask it
19:12 <luke-jr_work> it's still experimental
19:12 <epsy> again?
19:13 <luke-jr_work> 1. we have multiple svn branches
19:14 <luke-jr_work> 2. allowing people to unmask ONLY ~0.2.8_alpha6693 prevents extra deps from being installed when we add them
19:14 <luke-jr_work> (since adding deps would cause the rev bump)
19:15 <epsy> still that...
19:15 <epsy> wait...
19:15 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:15 <luke-jr_work> it's keyworded too
19:15 <epsy> layman -l
19:15 <epsy> * armagetron                [Subversion] (source: https://svn.sourceforge.ne...)
19:15 <epsy> * einit                     [Rsync     ] (source: rsync://rsync.jyujin.de/ei...)
19:15 <epsy> * kde-experimental          [Rsync     ] (source: rsync://download.berlios.d...)
19:15 <epsy> * xeffects                  [Subversion] (source: http://svn.gentoo-xeffects...)
19:15 <epsy> * xeffects-experimental     [Subversion] (source: http://svn.gentoo-xeffects...)
19:15 <epsy> :/
19:15 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:15 <epsy> i added it in packages.unmask
19:15 <luke-jr_work> and packages.keyword?
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19:15 <epsy> now it should at least telling me that it's masked...
19:15 <luke-jr_work> package.keywords*
19:15 <epsy> ...
19:16 <luke-jr_work> it should tell you anyway...
19:16 <epsy> ~x86 or...?
19:16 <luke-jr_work> ~amd64 :p
19:16 <epsy> :P
19:16 <epsy> k
19:16 <luke-jr_work> you don't need to specify :p
19:16 <epsy> :)
19:17 <epsy> games-action/armagetronad-live, right ?
19:17 <luke-jr_work> yep
19:17 <epsy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "games-action/armagetronad-live".
19:17 <epsy> :/
19:18 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6733 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: digest-- layman -S again
19:18 <luke-jr_work> maybe -d and -a it
19:18 <epsy> layman or emerge?
19:19 <luke-jr_work> layman
19:19 <epsy> Calculating dependencies  
19:19 <epsy> Parent:    None
19:19 <epsy> Depstring: games-action/armagetronad-live
19:19 <epsy> Candidates: ['games-action/armagetronad-live']
19:19 <epsy> ah
19:20  * epsy was still thinking he aliased layman to sudo layman
19:21 <epsy> yeah better...sry
19:24 <wrtlprnft> you have an svn ebuild for arma?
19:25 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: experimental
19:25 <luke-jr_work> it doesn't seem to work yet
19:25 <wrtlprnft> x_X
19:25 <luke-jr_work> tho the current problem seems to be a problem w/ our current trunk
19:25 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MinGW
19:25 <wrtlprnft> this looks promising for nightly builds
19:26 <epsy> yeah mingw is really easy to install on gentoo :)
19:26 <luke-jr_work> did I mention one of my projects is an automated cross-compile systme for a large array of targets?
19:26 <epsy> !!! moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip does not exist
19:27 <epsy> remove the moviesounds flag
19:27 <luke-jr_work> ok... why does automake fail on latest trunk?
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19:27 <luke-jr_work> epsy: wtf?
19:27 <epsy> problem with the ebuild
19:27 <epsy> moviesounds flag is here but...
19:28 <luke-jr_work> epsy: pastebin in context plz
19:28 <epsy> Révision 6733 extraite.
19:28 <epsy>  *    working copy: /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/armagetronad-live/armagetronad
19:28 <epsy> >>> Unpacking moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip to /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/work/armagetronad
19:28 <epsy> !!! ERROR: games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693 failed.
19:28 <epsy> Call stack:
19:28 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_unpack
19:28 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 708:   Called src_unpack
19:28 <epsy>   armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild, line 99:   Called unpack 'moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip'
19:29 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 369:   Called die
19:29 <epsy> !!! moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip does not exist
19:29 <epsy> !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
19:29 <luke-jr_work> do you know what pastebin is?
19:29 <epsy> lol no
19:29 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:29 <luke-jr_work> well, that error just makes no sense anyhow :p
19:30 <luke-jr_work> unless..
19:30 <epsy> well
19:30 <epsy> remove the moviepack and moviesounds flags....
19:30 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:30 <luke-jr_work> they should work
19:30 <epsy> they're not included with it(licencing problems?)
19:30 <luke-jr_work> but maybe subversion.eclass is disabling the regular fetch
19:31 <luke-jr_work> they should be fetched like the regular ebuilds
19:31 <epsy> umm
19:31 <epsy> moviepack flag works...
19:31 <epsy> but moviesounds...
19:31  * luke-jr_work blames [dlh] 
19:32 <luke-jr_work> for the automake issues
19:33 <epsy> owww
19:33 <epsy> i see the problem
19:34 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:34 <epsy> unzip doesn't support more files in it's arguments...
19:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6734 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): we get more errors with automake 1.10...
19:34 <epsy> and your ebuild tries to do
19:34 <epsy> unzip moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip
19:34 <luke-jr_work> O.o
19:35  * epsy wonders if zip could be added into tar...
19:36 <epsy> the gnu one is awesome :)
19:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6735 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): use the unpack from base.eclass
19:36 <luke-jr_work> try that
19:37 <luke-jr_work> tar doesn't support compression...
19:37 <epsy> gnu tar does...
19:37 <luke-jr_work> but a zip->tar stream convertor would indeed be nice
19:37 <luke-jr_work> no, GNU tar supports spawning a decompressor in a pipe
19:38 <epsy> it supports also compression too
19:38 <luke-jr_work> nope
19:38 <epsy> tar jcf new.tar.bz2 file1 file2
19:38 <epsy> will produce a bzipped tar archive...
19:38 <luke-jr_work> that acts like "tar c file2 | bzip2 > file1"
19:38 <mkzelda> it'd still contain 2 zips
19:38 <luke-jr_work> it won't if you don't have 'bzip2' installed
19:39 <epsy> yeah of course ;)
19:39 <epsy> reproducing bz2 would be stupid ;)
19:39 <luke-jr_work> :p
19:40 <epsy> O.o
19:40 <epsy> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
19:40 <luke-jr_work> but unpacking worked :)
19:40 <epsy> yeah :P
19:40 <epsy> wan compile it manually :P
19:40 <epsy> *can
19:42 <luke-jr_work> bootstrap works?
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/Makefile.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/engine/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/network/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/render/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tron/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/ui/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <luke-jr_work> like I thought
19:43 <epsy> but it ends up correctly
19:43 <luke-jr_work> not if you rm configure
19:43 <luke-jr_work> or mv it away
19:44 <epsy> still showing me these errors...
19:45 <luke-jr_work> I know
19:45 <epsy> but still creating one :P
19:46 <luke-jr_work> it is??
19:46 <epsy> it still creates a configure scipt, yeha
19:46 <epsy> *yeah :P
19:47 <luke-jr_work> oh
19:47 <luke-jr_work> and configure works?
19:47 <epsy> no
19:47 <luke-jr_work> lol
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating src/Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating src/first/Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
19:47 <epsy> as bootstrap didn't finished :/
19:48 <epsy> make distclean
19:48 <epsy> make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
19:48 <epsy> root@couloirgentoo armagetronad $ make clean
19:48 <epsy> make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
19:48 <epsy> ach
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19:49 <luke-jr_work> hi
19:50 <luke-jr_work> any idea how to fix trunk?
19:50 <epsy> well...
19:50 <epsy> meh ?
19:51 <epsy> i'm seeing if it works better with the ruby flag...
19:51 <epsy> but i need first to recompile swig...
19:51 <epsy> ;)
19:53 <luke-jr_work> hm
19:53 <luke-jr_work> maybe
19:53 <luke-jr_work> !
19:53 <luke-jr_work> [dlh]: bug?
19:54 <luke-jr_work> wow
19:55 <luke-jr_work> our ZIP files (source, binaries, etc) are invalid
19:55 <luke-jr_work> they state minimum ZIP 1.0 to extract, but use features in 2.0
19:57 <epsy> (why still using zips ????)
19:57 <mkzelda> win32 support
19:57 <luke-jr_work> heh
19:57 <epsy> oh
19:57 <mkzelda> its the most accepted cross platforms
19:57 <epsy> :/
19:58 <luke-jr_work> epsy: I'm working on your zip2tar thing :p
19:58 <epsy> (=>what about including tar in the windows installator?)
19:58 <luke-jr_work> epsy: I think it is
19:58 <epsy> luke-jr_work, :P
19:58 <epsy> so...what is the problem?
19:59 <luke-jr_work> maybe ruby
19:59 <epsy> (aww yeha still the same messages with ruby flag enabled...
19:59 <epsy> luke-jr_work, ??
20:01 <luke-jr_work> blame [dlh] 
20:01 <luke-jr_work> he did the ruby nonsense
20:02  * epsy goes play soccer
20:02 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:02 <epsy> :P
20:02 <epsy> with chico
20:02 <epsy> :P
20:10 <luke-jr_work> actually, they're not invalid :p
20:11 <luke-jr_work> just file is wrong
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20:38 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
20:38 <@armabot> spidey: [18:36:37] <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?, [08:03:16] <Durka> spidey: ping, [08:02:58] <Durka> #last --from spidey, [08:00:21] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you know if we're using anything in the server that really requires the warserver?  :/, [06:58:49] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you use any warclient-specific features?, [06:56:55] <Lucifer_arma> (6 more messages)
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20:46 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/wolfie-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
20:47 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/wolfie-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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21:47 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with luci --nolimit
21:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: [18:36:37] <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?, [07:27:40] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: hmm, i wonder how you know that ;), [06:56:31] <spidey> Lucifer_arma, the server can so, [06:38:39] <|Sticky|> lucifer your one of the arma developers arnt you??, [06:29:38] <spidey> lizz says hello, Lucifer_arma, [18:37:59] <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: is that (7 more messages)
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: yes, I realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0 because the protocols are somehow incompatible
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> most of the data files are compatible, however, and new features are being added to 2.1 and not 2.0 :)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I'm asking all these questions about what we use is because I'd like to see if we cna all move to 2.1
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22:02 <luke-jr|work> not 1tpd :p
22:02 <luke-jr|work> 2.1 breaks compat too often
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's still in beta :)
22:10 <luke-jr|work> it's like if we had a 2.1, I think
22:10 <luke-jr|work> experimetnal
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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--- Log opened Tue Jan 09 22:35:03 2007
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22:35 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal]
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22:39 <spidey> hmm
22:39 <spidey> besides shadow ops
22:40 <spidey> mbc's lost all of its old members
22:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
22:40 <spidey> heh
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean they're going to become the new white trash of the game?
22:45 <deja_vu> hm.. how did that happen? ;)
22:46 <spidey> deja_vu, wizzee, damien, canis, and me left
22:46 <spidey> that leave micro and ota o.O
22:46 <spidey> leaves*
22:46 <spidey> and shadowops....but he rarely plays
22:47 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu was in mbc?
22:47 <deja_vu> impressive :o
22:47 <deja_vu> yea
22:47 <spidey> yras
22:47 <spidey> yea
22:47 <spidey> long ago
22:47 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:47 <wrtlprnft> never knew that
22:48 <spidey> did you leave? or was you cut for inactivness?
22:48 -!- k3nNy [n=k3nNy@213.47.177.62] has joined #armagetron
22:48 <deja_vu> i left
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22:48 <k3nNy> wth happened?
22:48 <deja_vu> when SD did
22:48 <spidey> ???????????
22:48 <spidey> wow....
22:49 <spidey> i didn't know SD was in mbc then o.o
22:49 <spidey> wait
22:49 <spidey> no
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl is still in MBC though, right?
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> and luke-jr (hi there!) ?
22:49 <luke-jr|work> I never was
22:49 <spidey> because when i joined SD was leader of SP
22:50 <deja_vu> yea, there was some fuzz with micro over SD joining speeders
22:50 <spidey> hm
22:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i am, still
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22:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ping
22:55  * deja_vu hangs spidey from the ceiling and invites wrtlprnft to some Pong >=]
22:55 <spidey> :|
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o): pong
22:55 <spidey> o.O
22:56 <deja_vu> *_*
22:56 <spidey> http://www.my-games.nl/   wanna be my partener? :D
23:00 <wrtlprnft> me?
23:00 <spidey> ya
23:00 <wrtlprnft> oh
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that's that thread we spammed on the arma forums?
23:01 <spidey> hmm?
23:01 <spidey> dunno, i don't go on the forums that much
23:01 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12361
23:02 <spidey> rofl
23:05 <wrtlprnft> that site doesn't have a newsfeed :(
23:05 <wrtlprnft> bad.
23:06 <spidey> heh
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23:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i think the clock on the wiki is a few minutes off
23:15 <wrtlprnft> that spam i'm about to delete was posted in the future
23:20 <spidey> lol
23:21 <k3nNy> which spam? :)
23:22 <wrtlprnft> the one that's gone
23:23 <k3nNy> :)
23:23 <k3nNy> xD
23:23 <k3nNy> omega found some weird stuff at zmans server log
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:24 <k3nNy> gothica & legit made the server lag in the ladle finals at points where sp was attacking on purpurse
23:25 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:25 <k3nNy> :)
23:25 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/
23:25 <wrtlprnft> relevant section please :)
23:25 <k3nNy> yah :)
23:25 <k3nNy> i think just its funny
23:26 <k3nNy> because a few sec later a few tuis were screaming lag lag lag! :)
23:26 <k3nNy> what is that link anyway, i dont know it
23:26 <wrtlprnft> if that's true they should be kicked from the next ladle
23:27 <k3nNy> hm it is, i think omega is making a thread on the forums about it
23:27 <k3nNy> you can also read it at the wiki of the feedback of the ladle
23:27 <k3nNy> or in the log ofcourse
23:28 <wrtlprnft> i didn't read the feedback page
23:28 <k3nNy> you better dont :)
23:28  * wrtlprnft won't get involved in the ladle ever again
23:28 <k3nNy> hm why?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> should have seen the tui vs tm match
23:29 <k3nNy> oh
23:29 <k3nNy> was it that bad?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:29 <k3nNy> unfortunately there are no logs or recs
23:29 <wrtlprnft> it was on my server
23:29 <k3nNy> oh ok
23:29 <k3nNy> you have the recs?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> there is a log
23:30 <k3nNy> ah ok
23:30 <wrtlprnft> but it's got nothing to do with artificial lag
23:30 <k3nNy> :)
23:30 <wrtlprnft> it's just that TM is an unorganized bundle
23:30 <k3nNy> maybe you could reorganise it
23:30 <k3nNy> there are plenty of players
23:30 <wrtlprnft> how can a team with legit and hyphy play well
23:30 <k3nNy> i agree on that
23:31 <spidey> lol
23:31 <k3nNy> just kick them out of the team and get some new nicer players
23:31 <wrtlprnft> not that easy
23:31 <wrtlprnft> 2020 will always let them rejoin
23:31 <wrtlprnft> i'll just leave it
23:31 <k3nNy> true
23:31 <spidey> start a new team?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can help out CT if they need it
23:31 <wrtlprnft> at least they're organized
23:32 <k3nNy> yeah
23:32 <k3nNy> i saw pav playing for x too though
23:32 <spidey> did i miss a ladle? o.O
23:32 <k3nNy> oops maybe participates too and needs players
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167856 [0] [TM] Gothica committed suicide.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167857 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM] G5! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167858 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM]AshitakA! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167859 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate Hyphy Leopard! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167860 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM] 2020! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <k3nNy> they have quite often not enough players
23:32 <k3nNy> ????
23:32 <k3nNy> omG
23:32 <k3nNy> they were tking?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> he joined, teamshuffled to position 1 and killed 5 mates
23:33 <k3nNy> ...
23:33 <k3nNy> wow
23:33 <k3nNy> who was it?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> which left us with 4 players, one bing kicked shortly after
23:33 <wrtlprnft> redice, i guess
23:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm, FroZen is the same guy
23:34 <k3nNy> ashi posted this at the wiki
23:34 <k3nNy> AshitakA 
23:34 <k3nNy>     I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this ide
23:35 <k3nNy> frozen btw was at the sp vs x match i think at start too
23:35 <k3nNy> he got kicked though
23:36 <wrtlprnft> it's just annoying
23:36 <k3nNy> yeah
23:36 <madmax|pt> I wonder if that lag crap happened also on Ady's server during a game on the "world cup"
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't want to lock the server
23:36 <wrtlprnft> for one simple reason
23:36 <k3nNy> madmax: yeah
23:36 <DrJoeTron> Armagetron is serious business :d
23:36 <k3nNy> :)
23:36 <wrtlprnft> if i lock it and get disconnected, there's no way i can unlock it without restarting it
23:36 <k3nNy> well have a nice eve, gotta go eating
23:37 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:37 <k3nNy> bye
23:38 <wrtlprnft> frozen seems to be frozen otherwise, noone else
23:38 <wrtlprnft> at least on ladle, café and CTWF logs
23:38 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:38 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:38 <madmax|pt> gnight
23:39 <madmax|pt> "Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated" by JJBean. This looks like a reasonable thing to say.
23:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know wether a geforce quadro fx4500 is better than a geforce 8800?
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, geforce 8800 has a higher number, that means its better
23:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but quadro fx are the professional cards
23:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean
23:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> for professional applications
23:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> quadro fx4500 = 7800 + some features that are not interesting to the end user

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00:04 -!- Arma926 [n=57350cbc@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:04 <Arma926> FUCKING GEEKS
00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> right.
00:05  * SuPeRTaRD nods *
00:05  * spidey agrees with SuPeRTaRD 
00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> jus look at 'em!
00:05 <Arma926> Seriously get a life.. 
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00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> right on brutha
00:06 <SuPeRTaRD> dont forget to boogie
00:06 -!- Arma2121 [n=57350cbc@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:07 <Arma2121> Are you geeks having fun at this very special chat system that helps you guys share tactics for the most fucked up geeky game in the world?
00:07 <SuPeRTaRD> what life do you think we do not get?
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> they program it here
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> we dont play it much
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> split.
00:08 <Arma2121> well
00:08 <Arma2121> its worse that you program it
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> its better that you just shut up.
00:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> ^_~
00:08 -!- Arma2121 was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer_arma [(hi there!)]
00:09 <SuPeRTaRD> right on satanic brutha
00:09 <SuPeRTaRD> ^5
00:10 <SuPeRTaRD> hehe... the funny part is he has it in his nane..  i thot
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00:22 <|Sticky|> hay all
00:22 <madmax|pt> hello
00:22 <SuPeRTaRD> hiya
00:22 <|Sticky|> wooo
00:23 <|Sticky|> i claim the honour of being the first to Wiimagetron
00:24 <|Sticky|> its crap...but i think it may catch on
00:26 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
00:26 <madmax|pt> wiimagetron?
00:27 <|Sticky|> hooked up a wii controller
00:27 <|Sticky|> so directing the bike through movements
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00:30 <deja_vu> good night :)
00:31 <spidey> קك
00:33 <deja_vu> yes, sleep well spidey
00:33 <deja_vu> :)
00:33 <spidey> ?
00:33 <k3nNy> lets guess
00:34 <k3nNy> was Arma2121 hyphy or legit :)
00:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> I 'spect legit
00:42 <k3nNy> hm
00:43 <k3nNy> just read the post of omega
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00:43 <k3nNy> you probably are right luci
00:45 <mkzelda> what happened there in between deja_vu saying good night and yes sleep well spidey?
00:46 <mkzelda> cause konversation didnt like it
00:47 <mkzelda> [2007-01-09 18:30:39] <deja_vu> good night :)
00:47 <mkzelda> ??<spidey> [2007-01-09 18:32:03] ?? ??
00:47 <mkzelda> [2007-01-09 18:33:53] <deja_vu> yes, sleep well spidey
00:47 <madmax|pt> that looks to me as an arab-like symbol
00:48 <mkzelda> it put my timestamp backwards
00:48 <mkzelda> and it appears right-justified instead of left-justified
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, happened to me too
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01:26 <|Sticky|> hmmm naughty legit
01:27 <|Sticky|> quite funny all the same
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01:29 <spidey> ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒v
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, cut it out
01:42 <spidey> ....
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 12*60*60
01:42 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 12 * 60 * 60 = 43,200
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01:51 <yojimbo> helllo
01:51 <yojimbo> too drunk to play....
01:51 <Rico> hi
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01:52 <k3nNy> hi xD
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01:52 <Rico> #insult k3nNy
01:52 <@armabot> k3nNy - You are nothing but a dankish stack of craven warts. 
01:52 <Rico> xD
01:52 <k3nNy> :) ye yeh
01:52 <yojimbo> #insult yojimbo 
01:52 <@armabot> yojimbo - You are nothing but a beef-witted heap of dread-bolted dye. 
01:52 <k3nNy> what can u do with that bot else?
01:53 <Rico> #roulette
01:53 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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01:53 <k3nNy> LOL
01:53 <madmax|pt> ok, now irssi ate letters with the that thing * alot
01:53 <yojimbo> hehe
01:53 <Rico> lol
01:53 <k3nNy> XD
01:53 <k3nNy> so what was that good for
01:53 <luke-jr> :o
01:53 <Rico> play roulette
01:53 <Rico> ;p
01:53 <k3nNy> #roulette
01:53 <@armabot> k3nNy: *click*
01:53 <Rico> #roulette
01:53 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
01:53 <k3nNy> click?
01:53 <yojimbo> #roulette
01:53 <|Sticky|> hay all
01:53 <k3nNy> aaaaaaaaah
01:53 <@armabot> yojimbo: *click*
01:54 <Rico> *russian roulette
01:54 <madmax|pt> Although its probably Terminal.app's fault
01:54 <k3nNy> :)
01:54 <yojimbo> heya sticky
01:54 <luke-jr> ROFL
01:54 <luke-jr> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <luke-jr> wtf,,, dumb bot
01:54 <luke-jr> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <luke-jr> Rico: you do it
01:54 <k3nNy> xD
01:54 <|Sticky|> dear lord...the ladel should be banned as a danger to international peace
01:54 <luke-jr> k3nNy: empty chamber
01:54 <Rico> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <k3nNy> ?
01:54 <k3nNy> #uberinsult rico
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <Rico> it only knows one uberinsult
01:54 <Rico> its shit
01:55 <k3nNy> hm
01:55  * Rico slaps armabot
01:55 <|Sticky|> the fall out from the ladel is quite increadable
01:55 <k3nNy> wait
01:55 <Rico> hey sticky
01:55 <k3nNy> #slap
01:55 <k3nNy> ?
01:55 <|Sticky|> Rico has got far too in to irc
01:55 <Rico> lol
01:55 <luke-jr> ladle sucks? :p
01:55 <Rico> #slap |Sticky|
01:55 <Rico> pft
01:55 <k3nNy> at least cheating does :)
01:55 <madmax|pt> |Sticky|: i like to call it "tron's soap opera", or maybe "the mighty ladle aftermath"
01:56 <k3nNy> :)
01:56 <|Sticky|> heh
01:56 <k3nNy> maybe the feedback wiki should be transferred xD
01:56 <yojimbo> i wanna start hosting a server...got 10/10mbit server in my use
01:56 <yojimbo> but im a BIT confused
01:56 <Rico> btw stick im gonna get that 7600 GT
01:56 <|Sticky|> i was almost waiting for some x players to quit after the first defeat
01:56 <|Sticky|> cool
01:57 <Rico> btw, quit what
01:57 <k3nNy> x?
01:57 <|Sticky|> the clan
01:57 <yojimbo> quit hoggin the bong foo
01:57 <yojimbo> w;P
01:57 <Rico> oh
01:57 <Rico> im assuming you aint seen my post yet
01:57 <yojimbo> harrr..
01:57 <Rico> (on any of the forums)
01:57 <|Sticky|> they way people were talking i was waiting for a "fuck this you all suck...im off"
01:57 <Rico> lol
01:58 <|Sticky|> which posts???
01:58 <Rico> www.xclan.net.tf
01:58 <Rico> read my new post in general public chat
01:58 <k3nNy> i hope i can read them too ;)
01:58 <k3nNy> oh oki
01:58 <Rico> sure kenny, its on the AA forums as well
01:58 <|Sticky|> did look...didnt notice anything big
01:58 <Rico> ehm?
01:59 <|Sticky|> ok
01:59 <|Sticky|> didnt notice that one
01:59 <Rico> http://xclan.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?p=567&sid=eee61b48e291c500d6515be16f86f86a#567
01:59 <|Sticky|> hmm
01:59 <k3nNy> too much tron is bad for life thats true
02:00 <|Sticky|> yeah i agree
02:00 <yojimbo> tron has distroyed my life
02:00 <|Sticky|> hehe
02:00 <Rico> join the club
02:00 <Rico> >_<
02:00 <yojimbo> distroned more like
02:00 <yojimbo> :P
02:00 <k3nNy> xD
02:00 <yojimbo> so, do i wanna join |x| clan?
02:00 <Rico> ll
02:01 <luke-jr> CLANS SUCK
02:01 <yojimbo> helll ya!
02:01 <Rico> heh
02:01 <|Sticky|> well mine too maby but in between work and travelling every other weekend its a bit difficult to build a life
02:01 <Rico> :P
02:01 <yojimbo> :)
02:01 <yojimbo> im unemployed atm
02:01 <Rico> im at college atm -.-
02:01 <yojimbo> takin gap year from studies
02:02 <|Sticky|> gap between which years
02:02 <|Sticky|> Rico.. thinking of uni
02:02 <Rico> nah, 1 cba, 2 cant afford it anyway
02:02 <yojimbo> did one year in uni...got bored (high of my ass)...decided to take it eeeasy
02:02 <Rico> maybe in about 5 years or so tho, asa "mature student" or whatever bs they call it
02:03 <|Sticky|> yeah... the 100mbit connections in your room REALY destroy your life
02:03 <luke-jr> college is a waste of $
02:03 <Rico> 100 mb o_O
02:03 <yojimbo> 100mbit oh yea...all i did was watch warez
02:03 <luke-jr> ... watch warez? O.o
02:03 <yojimbo> oh no...joke :P
02:03 <Rico> dang id love a 100mb over my shitty wlan
02:03 <|Sticky|> yeah a -1 ping in tron is just far too tempting
02:03 <luke-jr> um
02:04 <luke-jr> wlan doesn't *support* 100mb
02:04 <luke-jr> even for LAN
02:04 <luke-jr> and 100mb is BANDWIDTH
02:04 <luke-jr> not latency
02:04 <Rico> w/e
02:04 <luke-jr> bandwidth has no effect on ping or lag
02:04 <Rico> same thing to me
02:04 <Rico> ;p
02:04 <luke-jr> you can have 100mb and 100000 ping
02:04 <luke-jr> want that? :p
02:04 <yojimbo> its all about location and coolness right
02:04 <Rico> only if youre downloading likr 10billion things
02:04 <|Sticky|> yes but being on a backbone (like a lot of unis are) does wonders for your ping
02:05 <luke-jr> Rico: no, if it's a sattelite connection you have at least a second
02:05 <luke-jr> eg, ping 1000
02:05 <Rico> spose
02:05 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: or inet2
02:05 <Rico> even for a wlan, i get very good ping
02:05 <luke-jr> O.o
02:05 <luke-jr> but wlan maxes out at 54 mbit
02:05 <yojimbo> howbouts optical fibre
02:06 <|Sticky|> yeah peoples statements about the effects of wlan on ping are overstated
02:06 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: depends on # of users, IIRC
02:06 <Rico> on euro servers (depending on location and the server connection quality) i can get as low as 55 ping, and rarely goes above 100 unless my isps having problems
02:06 <madmax|pt> well, if its your neighbours wlan
02:06 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: that's 54mbit TOTAL, and you all time-share access
02:06 <luke-jr> Rico: how about 2020?
02:06 <|Sticky|> yeah select an unused channel
02:06 <Rico> i get good ping but its sooooo laggy
02:06 <luke-jr> BTW, I've had under 50 ping from my home...
02:07 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: I was assuming uni-provided wifi
02:07 <luke-jr> Rico: erm, ping = !lag
02:07 <luke-jr> well, ping = lag*
02:07 <|Sticky|> fiber optic is just the transmission medium...realy depends on whats on the end of it
02:07 <yojimbo> or the ping on others...might cause lag
02:07 <Rico> every time anyones ever been there, its been slidey and jumpy
02:08 <Rico> i get a very similar ping there to the one in wrtls server, but there appears a definite difference
02:08 <|Sticky|> to be fair it boggles my mind that a signal can get from my computer to america, through dozens of servers/systems and back again in 300ms
02:08 <Rico> luke, wheres 2020s server located
02:08 <luke-jr> asking speed of fibre is like asking speed of copper :p
02:09 <Rico> luke, wheres 2020s server located
02:09 <luke-jr> Rico: somewhere in europe
02:09 <Rico> lol, somewhere
02:09 <|Sticky|> that speed of light is quite fast isnt it
02:09 <luke-jr> Germany IIRC
02:09 <Rico> kk
02:09 <|Sticky|> im still trying to get a server set up on my unis servers
02:09 <|Sticky|> the computer soc game server is down at the mo tho
02:09 <Rico> hehe
02:10 <Rico> i was interested in trying a server on my wlan, see what pings would be like
02:10 <luke-jr> rofl
02:10 <Rico> but i never got round to it
02:10 <Rico> ;p
02:10 <|Sticky|> what connection you got rico??
02:11 <Rico> erm
02:11 <Rico> idk it doesnt actually say the connection speed
02:11 <Rico> 54mbps bandwidth, wlan through dsl
02:11 <|Sticky|> when you dl a file how many kbps do you get max??
02:11 <Rico> erm
02:11 <Rico> depends how many hosts im downloading it from
02:12 <|Sticky|> one
02:12 <Rico> hm,
02:12 <|Sticky|> well just from a web site
02:12 <Rico> anything between 50 and 250
02:12 <|Sticky|> your on 2mbit
02:12 <Rico> okies
02:12 <|Sticky|> forget setting up your own server
02:12 <Rico> lol
02:13 <Rico> pings >1000
02:13 <Rico> xD
02:14 <Rico> i want a ping like G5's... I cant believe he complains cos its "too low"
02:15 <|Sticky|> well i have to say ping charity can be a bit too charitable
02:15 <Rico> hm
02:15 <|Sticky|> ive found myself absolutly killing with a 230 is ping
02:15 <|Sticky|> way more than i normaly would
02:15 <spidey> http://www.spacebarcowboy.com/computers/computer_man/index.html   LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
02:16 <|Sticky|> its the same as net coding for TFC in half life...the ping compenstation was ofver the top and efveryone started inducing lag to get the benefit
02:16 <Rico> oh
02:17 <Rico> ROFL spidey
02:18 <spidey> heh
02:18 <Rico> whered u come across that?
02:22 <Rico> okies im off
02:22 <Rico> #night
02:22 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
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02:22 <|Sticky|> #night
02:22 <@armabot> Good night |Sticky|!
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02:39 <mkzelda> getting some crashing going on w/ arma i havent had before, large stack dump w/ libpng and opengl mentioned a bunch, ill try to reproduce w/ log
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03:40 <luke-jr> omfg
03:40 <luke-jr> tar sucks
03:42 <Stempo> tar?
03:42 <Stempo> football?
03:42 <GodTodd> yeah...tar *is* kinda sticky
03:42 <GodTodd> stinky too
03:45 <GodTodd> #dance
03:45 <@armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
03:52 <luke-jr> civ?
03:59 <GodTodd> it's a game...started as a single player civilization building simulation but blossomed into a multiplayer network opensource game
04:00 <luke-jr> you playing?
04:01 <GodTodd> currently? no
04:01 <luke-jr> the game about to start
04:01 <luke-jr> duh
04:01  * GodTodd doesn't even know of a game that is about to start
04:01 <GodTodd> duh
04:01 <luke-jr> now you do, clearly
04:02 <GodTodd> who all is playing?
04:02 <luke-jr> so far? Alter-Ego and I
04:02 <GodTodd> hmmm...dunno...i gots me a load of women's work to do :/
04:03 <luke-jr> so have the woman do it? :p
04:03 <GodTodd> can't...she's in bed :P
04:04 <luke-jr> oh well, leave it for another day :p
04:04 <GodTodd> can't....end of the semester got me behind...need to do at least one load of laundry tonight or my wife goes to work in her undies tomorrow
04:04 <GodTodd> heh
04:06 <luke-jr> GodTodd: did you put your name into your nation? :p
04:06 <luke-jr> an AI just used it...
04:06 <GodTodd> yeah i did
04:06 <luke-jr> heh
04:06 <GodTodd> that's the default leader
04:07 <luke-jr> i c
04:07 <GodTodd> luci says it's a particularly bloodthirsty nation, too ;)
04:08 <luke-jr> >_<
04:11 <luke-jr> so not playing?
04:11 <luke-jr> want an AI?
04:11 <GodTodd> nah
04:12 <Stempo> k I g2g, bye bye, night night
04:13 <GodTodd> cya
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04:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't do laundry and play freeciv, eh?
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> did y'all already start the game?
04:47 <GodTodd> well...i probably can...but luke wouldn't know that :P
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you got a game going right now?
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see how the sdl client works out in real play
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> moos: moo
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> man, the freeciv irc channel is about as exciting as filling a bucket of water
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it's even less exciting than my last simile
04:56 <GodTodd> really? more exciting than i remember then
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to play a round of freeciv-2.1.0-beta2?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. no warclient, using unstable shit :)
04:57 <GodTodd> i'd have to dl it...
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> water you waiting for!?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ping
04:58 <spidey> what?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes isn't here?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> with the 2.1 beta?
04:58 <spidey> obviously :p
04:58 <spidey> i'm playing on lukes server
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I want to check out the sdl client during regular play
04:58 <spidey> heh
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, luke's probably running 2.0.8 still, right?  I just tried to build the sdl client with it and it failed
04:59 <luke-jr> 2.1 breaks compat too often IMO
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> whine whine whine
04:59 <luke-jr> and SDL is not for civ-type games :p
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> breaks compat with what, exactly?  And how can you say too often when it's the first of the series?
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't seen the sdl client, obviously :)
04:59 <luke-jr> itself
04:59 <luke-jr> I'd prefer Qt
04:59 <luke-jr> come join the game
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2.1 won't connect, and I've no interest in playing without trying the sdl client :)
05:00 <luke-jr> :p
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> come on, everybody get the sdl client for 2.1 and we'll try it together :)
05:01 <GodTodd> 2.1 beta won't mess up my nation stuff, will it? :P
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it should install in a different directory, and I haven't tried the ruleset on it yet
05:01 <GodTodd> is there a separate 2.1 sdl beta or are all of them sdl?
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's a separate one
05:02 <GodTodd> bah nm
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's a windows build for it.  In linux you have to build it yourself :)
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> the sdl build has a ui more inline with what I want from the gtk client
05:03 <GodTodd> gimme a few and i'll have it
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> ko
05:03 <luke-jr> is it in Portage? :p
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> sdl is
05:04 <luke-jr> :p
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> it runs from the source directory just fine though, which is how I've been running freeciv for awhile now
05:04 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: qwm in #freeciv plays 2.1
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> two konsoles open, one running the server, one running the client
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> nobody in #freeciv is talking
05:05 <GodTodd> he probably means #freeciv-1tpd
05:05 <luke-jr> either one
05:05 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: konsole supports tabs, FYI
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> you're kidding!
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> there's a separate (wait for it) konsole in each tab?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go pee, then start a server up
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going to 2.1 now, y'all need to upgrade :)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> (2.1 has a Texan civilization)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you also need to download a theme for the sdl client, which they mention on the page
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> so, who wants to play this game?
05:21 <luke-jr> nobody
05:22 <GodTodd> hmmm...it won't start up :/
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> did you download the theme?
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> theme ships separately because they don't know about all the graphics
05:23 <GodTodd> i see nothing about the themes
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s3564543/freeciv-sdl/deluxe2_theme-2.1.0-beta2-2006-08-11.zip
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> unzip to the directory where freeciv is installed
05:28 <GodTodd> trying again
05:31 <GodTodd> couldn't connect
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> try again
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized my IP address locally changed again and fixed it
05:31 <GodTodd> ahhh
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> you gonna press start?  :)
05:40 <GodTodd> how do we talk again?
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> right-shift->return
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05:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey ping
05:57 <DrJoeTron> spideylog ping
05:58 <DrJoeTron> damn it
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> crashed?
06:14 <GodTodd> yep
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06:18 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:18 <Durka> #hello
06:18 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. || He of all men should behave as though the law compelled him. || But it is the universal weakness of mankind that what we are || given to administer we presently imagine we own." || -- H.G. Wells
06:19 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
06:19 <spidey> defcon?
06:19 <Durka> lol
06:21  * luke-jr pokes spidey
06:21  * Durka pokes spidey
06:21 <Durka> #roulette
06:21 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
06:24 <Durka> #armaservers
06:24 <@armabot> Durka: Wild West =Fortress= (5 players) || MicroBusCity.com (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || The Lobster Tub(TEST) (3 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (3 players) || The Dip Bowl (2 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (2 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (2 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild (1 more message)
06:24 <Durka> #serverinfo u r k
06:24 <@armabot> Durka: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬/xff9900: Players (2/14): BHX, Dark Fox
06:27 <luke-jr> urk...
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07:19 <DrJoeTron> who the fuck plays at lobster servers
07:22 <DrJoeTron> oh man
07:22 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma 
07:23 <DrJoeTron> I found an emot we need to add
07:25 <DrJoeTron> http://75.57.69.165/emot-emo.gif
07:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: wow, your knowlege of the location of your server is great
07:47 <wrtlprnft> *ledge
07:57 <Durka> wrtlpwnd!
07:57 <Durka> i simplified the team sumo tournament
07:57 <Durka> 4 brackets
07:57 <Durka> first one to win 2 rounds moves to final
07:57 <Durka> one team from each bracket obviously
07:57 <Durka> then the finals is first to win 3
07:58 <Durka> but can i ask you a slight favor? :D
07:58 <Durka> wrtlprnft: ping
08:10  * Durka >:(
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: no response from server
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> besides, you need to ask tank to add emoticons :)
08:11 <wrtlprnft> Durka (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o): pong
08:11 <Durka> ok
08:11 <Durka> can you do my a favor?
08:12 <Durka> on the day of the team sumo tournament
08:12 <wrtlprnft> what sort?
08:12 <Durka> for just one hour
08:12 <Durka> can u covert Sumo Bar
08:12 <Durka> to Team Sumo Bar
08:12 <Durka> ??? :p
08:12 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=11122#11122
08:12 <wrtlprnft> already posted :P
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08:13 <Durka> http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=11123#11123
08:13 <Durka> right back atchya :D
08:14 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:14 <wrtlprnft> how boring
08:14 <wrtlprnft> makes it really hard to do any changes
08:16 <Durka> no
08:16 <Durka> i have the map
08:16 <Durka> i can keep making changes
08:16 <Durka> it also is so u and manta and whoever else wants to use team sumo doesnt have to keep checking in with me about updates
08:17 <Durka> ill just spam the resources with new updates
08:17 <Durka> actually im only on version 6 of team sumo
08:17 <Durka> not bad
08:17 <Durka> 7 will be with points fixed
08:18 <wrtlprnft> umm, they do have to check for updates
08:18 <Durka> i mean all i have to say is
08:18 <wrtlprnft> they have to change the map everytime you make a change
08:18 <Durka> yo wrtl!
08:18 <Durka> change it to 0.0.7!
08:18 <Durka> not 
08:18 <Durka> ok so wrtl
08:18 <Durka> u need to bare with me
08:18 <Durka> i made a ton of changes
08:18 <Durka> im gonna go find them and type them out
08:18 <wrtlprnft> yo durka!
08:18 <Durka> then copy it into ur config
08:18 <Durka> or ill kill u!
08:19 <Durka> see
08:19 <Durka> its not fun
08:19 <wrtlprnft> new sumo settings at http://wrtlprnft.homelinux.org/~armagetronad/sumo.cfg
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
08:19 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): pong
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, do you want to keep playing this game?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> the ingame chat is kind of shitty because it clears each round.  :/
08:20 <GodTodd> i know :/
08:20 <Durka> spidey was just in CTWF o_O
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not terribly interested in another all-nighter of civ, I got what I wanted out of the game
08:21 <GodTodd> yeah, me too
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> we can save it off and maybe resume it some other day if you want
08:21 <spidey> yea
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> or we can just kill it and blow it off :)
08:21 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: did ya get dome out of it?
08:21 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc"
08:21 <GodTodd> i'ma mess with it tomorrow too and see if i can put my nation in it
08:21 <@armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 34117 messages.
08:21 <GodTodd> heh, whichever is fine by me :)
08:21 <Durka> #last --from spidey --with mbc
08:21 <@armabot> Durka: [08:28:41] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc"
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just kill it.  It's not that interesting of a game, even if I am hving fun :)
08:21 <Durka> aww
08:21 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "mbc" --nolimit
08:21 <GodTodd> heh
08:22 <@armabot> spidey: [08:28:41] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc", [22:56:14] <spidey> i didn't know SD was in mbc then o.o, [22:47:22] <spidey> mbc's lost all of its old members, [05:46:50] * spidey has offically resigned from mbc, [00:27:26] <spidey> he's trying to make it like mbc server, and [23:43:26] <spidey> wrtlprnft, you still mbc?
08:22 <Durka> spidey: join my clan
08:22 <Durka> its called Durka
08:22 <Durka> :p
08:22 <spidey> fuck you :p
08:23 <Durka> fuck you?
08:23 <Durka> #dict fuck you
08:23 <@armabot> Durka: No definition for "fuck you" could be found.
08:23 <Durka> aww
08:23 <Durka> #dict spidey
08:24 <@armabot> Durka: No definition for "spidey" could be found.
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I like the sdl client, but it's relaly buggy :(
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I like having the big map as the base for the ui instead of having it isolated to a pane
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like the log window to be like the console in arma, though, with the same controls
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed the map generator is much improved in 2.1
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> it should be fairly easy to adapt the ruleset for 2.1, they didn't change much
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> the compatibility luke-jr (hi there!) is complaining about is network compatibility
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that little war was fun until I noticed it was 60 AD and I was still using legions :/
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no auto-attack is a deal-breaker for me.  I'll have to see why it's not there
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's just the sdl client
08:27 <GodTodd> could be
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the sdl client was neglected for a long time, and somewhere between 2.0 and 2.1 they picked up someone to work on it
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you noticed the city report isn't nearly as useful as it is in the gtk client :(
08:29 <GodTodd> definitely
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> it needs to show the current cma for the city and let you sort by columns
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't figure out how to get it to sort by columns, assuming it's possible, it may not be
08:31 <GodTodd> i couldn't either
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's a new surrender option, though.  :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it also seemed like the ai was smarter, but I don't know if that was just subjective or not
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it seemed to be making better strategic decisions than in 2.0
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08:33 <GodTodd> that's good then :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I like the sdl client a lot, I hope they get all the bugs sorted out, it's a very promising client
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hell, if the ai really is smarter, that's enough reason to get everyone to upgrade
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> although that little war did feel like what spidey's always bitching about
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> "The ai does something to piss you off, then you go own the ai, not very much fun"
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> why am I the only one talking in #freeciv?  :/
08:38 <GodTodd> dunno...all i ever see is relic saying hello
08:38 <GodTodd> heh
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> durka's such an ass sometimes, heh
08:41 <Durka> GodTodd: ping
08:41 <Durka> lol
08:41 <GodTodd> Durka:): wtf? :)
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: string
08:42 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: strong
08:43 <Durka> GodTodd: ding
08:43 <GodTodd> hrmm....can you not play single player? or do you have to set up a server first?
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> with the sdl client?
08:44 <GodTodd> yah
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you have to do it the old-fashioned way.  start a server locally then connect to it
08:45 <GodTodd> heh
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's all single player does, it just does it automatically, but it still starts a server and then connects to it :)
08:45 <GodTodd> true
08:51 <Durka> wrtlprnft: ping
08:51 <Durka> you there?
08:51 <wrtlprnft> 1
08:51 <Durka> what should the match win be
08:52 <Durka> 900 points?
08:52 <wrtlprnft> up to you
08:53 <Durka> but im asking u
08:53 <Durka> cuz u always wrtlpwn |me|
08:53 <wrtlprnft> i'd keep 1200, just because people will start whining otherwise
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> make people whine!
08:53 <Durka> its at 1000 now
08:53 <Durka> well lets see
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> not divisible by 3!
08:53 <Durka> if ur in a zone with 4 ppl
08:53 <Durka> and u win the round
08:53 <Durka> how many points do u get
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> 6 x 9?
08:54 <Durka> so the first conquered zone would be 20
08:54 <Durka> then 30
08:54 <Durka> then 60
08:54 <Durka> so u get 110 for winning
08:54 <Durka> then u probably killed someone
08:54 <wrtlprnft> basically
08:54 <Durka> so about 140 per round win
08:54 <Durka> that means if u won all 10 rounds
08:54 <Durka> thats 1400
08:54 <wrtlprnft> plus killing, minus points you might lose by being outside a zone
08:55 <Durka> so the chances that 1200 will be reached is not liely
08:55 <wrtlprnft> plus points you sneak if you go into another zone
08:55 <Durka> u only lose points for suicide
08:55 <Durka> ya but then the chances u win the zone u startted in decrease
08:55 <wrtlprnft> well, you don't get the points if a zone collapses and you're not inside it
08:55 <Durka> true
08:55 <Durka> lets say on average
08:56 <Durka> the average team gets 90 points around?
08:56 <Durka> maybe?
08:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah
08:56 <Durka> out of the 2 ppl
08:56 <Durka> at least one gets a kill
08:56 <Durka> the kill gets u 30 + (20 or 30 or 60) for the zone
08:56 <Durka> maybe just like 60 points
08:56 <Durka> so 60 x 10 =
08:56 <Durka> #g 60*10
08:56 <@armabot> Durka: 60 * 10 = 600
08:56 <wrtlprnft> 600 
08:56 <wrtlprnft> gosh
08:56 <Durka> :p
08:56 <Durka> i was joking
08:56 <Durka> lol
08:57 <Durka> so 600
08:57 <Durka> so we have a range from 600-1400
08:57 <Durka> id say 900 is a good bet
08:57 <wrtlprnft> ok…
08:57 <Durka> i mean the chances of 1400 is rare
08:58 <Durka> so the range is really 600-1200
08:58 <Durka> and 900 is in the middle
08:58 <Durka> thats the best # divisble by 30 :p
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> that makes 900 the least decisive
08:58 <Durka> in that range
08:58 <Durka> no
08:59 <Durka> the average is 600
08:59 <Durka> the high is 1200
08:59 <Durka> 1200 is assuming u win 9 out of 10 rounds
08:59 <Durka> I'm gonna go with 900 i think
08:59 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you study the scorelog.txt on your server :)
08:59 <Durka> any takers?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> for averages
08:59 <wrtlprnft> i don't mind either
08:59 <Durka> ya but the scorelog is for 25 point base
08:59 <Durka> not 30
09:00 <Durka> its mantas server but ill pull it up
09:00 <Durka> hmm i think i can download the oops server one thru 1337 h4x0r skillz
09:00 <Durka> ill look at that one if i can get it :D
09:00 <wrtlprnft> the 25 point base doesn't really matter
09:00 <wrtlprnft> just miltiply it by 6/5
09:00 <wrtlprnft> *mult
09:00 <Durka> lol
09:00 <Durka> gotcha
09:00 <Durka> #g 25*(6/5)
09:00 <@armabot> Durka: 25 * (6 / 5) = 30
09:00 <Durka> :p
09:02 <Durka> damn i cant hax0r it
09:02 <Durka> ill just use the wild west one
09:03 <Durka> ooops
09:04 <Durka> manta moved the team sumo server to the other server
09:04 <Durka> not on his arizona server anymore
09:04 <Durka> ill ask him for the scorelogs for both
09:04 <Durka> but ill stick with 900 fttb
09:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
09:05 <Durka> fttb = for the time being
09:06 <wrtlprnft> i know
09:13 <Durka> :p
09:13 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
09:13 <Durka> armabot will tell u
09:13 <Durka> <Setting name="LIMIT_SCORE" value="900" />
09:13 <Durka> oops
09:13 <Durka> ya i put that
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09:16 <Durka> armabuilder??? o_O
09:17 <Durka> o its Luci :p
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, when did that happen?
09:17 <Durka> im gonna go test out the new team sumo settings in the wild west server
09:20 <Durka> ok it works
09:20 <Durka> is there anyway to save settings from inside the server and not by editting the config files?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't armabuilder say anything?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: help
09:20 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
09:20 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
09:20 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux]: 160 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
09:21 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 167 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
09:21 <Durka> its lucibot!!!!
09:21 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-<
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-/
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-\
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> where do you see lucibot?
09:21 <Durka> lmao
09:22 <Durka> well armabuilder is like a bot
09:22 <Durka> armabuilder: destroy
09:22  * armabuilder readies phasers
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder is a bot :)
09:22 <Durka> lmao
09:22 <Durka> nice luci
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> but not a toy, ok?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should go ahead and move the build master to my server
09:23 <Durka> lol
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> lol?
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> you don't know what the fuck I"m talking about :)
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09:31 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's an automated build tool
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> it'll build the game a couple of times per day and notify us of any errors, or something like that
09:37 <Durka> build armagetron?
09:43 <Durka> #last seen belenus
09:43 <@armabot> Durka: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
09:43 <Durka> oops
09:43 <Durka> #lastseen belenus
09:44 <@armabot> Durka: belenus has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 days 13 hours 35 minutes ago.
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10:03 <Durka> #insult armabot 
10:03 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a churlish petrification of left-over urine. 
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: yes, build armagetron
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> hence the name, arma...builder
10:06 -!- Durka is now known as Durkabuilder
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: help
10:07 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
10:07 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
10:07 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 956 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
10:07 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 966 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to fix that so it reads easily
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: excited
10:08 <armabuilder> What you say!
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch
10:08 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux
10:08 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
10:09  * Durkabuilder *Out of order*
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10:19 <moos> Cool, a build monkey. I wanted to have one for quite a while.
10:19 -!- moos is now known as z-man-work
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10:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> heya z-man-work (hi there!) 
10:21 <z-man-work> Does your IRC client do the (hi there!) thing automatically?
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> check out that link I just posted here :)
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk doesn't build right now, fails during bootstrap
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not as impressive a webpage as it could be :(
10:22 <z-man-work> Seems so.
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
10:22 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: (no builds run since last restart)
10:22 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 53 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
10:22 <z-man-work> Can you tell it to buld branch 0.2.8, too?
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> soon as I have a function that will parse a fully-qualified svn url
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html#SVN
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
10:24 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list
10:24 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list builders
10:24 <armabuilder> Configured builders: armagetron-linux-client armagetron-linux-server 
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that 'armagetron' needs to be part of every builder name, it's hopelessly redundant
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: hello
10:24 <armabuilder> yes?
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> this bot seems to have more silly stuff than supybot
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: source
10:25 <armabuilder> My source can be found at http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force
10:25 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.IndexError
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force 1
10:25 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:25 <armabuilder> build #0 forced
10:25 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it failed
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:27 <armabuilder> build #1 forced
10:27 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:28 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed shell shell_2 shell_3]
10:28 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/1
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty useless failure message
10:29  * z-man-work likes that: "The guilty developer can be identified and harassed without human intervention."
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> I like that it gives you the stdio from the build
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> so how often is a reasonable interval to poll?  :/
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> I set it to poll twice a day, figuring if we have 3-6 build slaves, then twice a day we could be running 3-6 builds automatically, not counting developer-triggered builds
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> the poll itself isn't a problem, it's just svn log and svn info, or something like that.  What might be a problem is the number of checkouts it triggers
10:33 <z-man-work> Does it always do a fresh checkout?
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html#SVNPoller  <--- here's where it tells you how to tell it about branches
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, it can do just an update instead
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> in that case we need to make sure every build factory does make clean right after it finishes building
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> or at least after it builds a package (when we have package builders)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably want make clean, followed by make distclean
10:37 <Durkabuilder> #night
10:37 <@armabot> Good night Durkabuilder!
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10:45 <spidey> luke-jr, pinf
10:45 <spidey> ping
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:47 <armabuilder> build #2 forced
10:47 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:47 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #2 is complete: Failure [failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5]
10:47 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/2
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, much better
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> now to fix the trunk :)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: umm, did you screw with src/swig in the trunk?
10:51 <z-man-work> Yes, he made it link into a single module, but did not update the Unix build stuff.
10:51 <z-man-work> Umm, I wanted to get to that some time soon, but I guess I can't build here at work any more. stupid system updates.
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmm
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> it would be awfully nice if there were a webpage you could click to tell it to build something
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> except, ummmmm, my laptop can't build with ruby yet
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so the build will still fail
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build
11:00 <armabuilder> no such builder 'None'
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force
11:00 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.IndexError
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list
11:00 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list builders
11:00 <armabuilder> Configured builders: armagetron-linux-client armagetron-linux-server 
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
11:00 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
11:01 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: 823 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5
11:01 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 2350 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
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11:14 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
11:14 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: 6 secs ago: failed shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5
11:14 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 3178 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch
11:14 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:15 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> bullshit
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:16 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #9 until it finishes..
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> neat, it's building the 0.2.8 branch client now :)
11:18 <z-man-work> Gaa, i clicked on the #9 :)
11:21 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #9 is complete: Success [build successful]
11:21 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/9
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> haha
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:24 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #10 until it finishes..
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so, to feed it a branch, you have to give it the part of the svn url that starts with branches and ends with armagetronad
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> branches/0.2.8/armagetronad for example
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> it may be that that's the only branch supported right now, I don't know, still getting my head wrapped around this thing
11:28 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #10 is complete: Success [build successful]
11:28 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/10
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> much better report
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> broke building the trunk, though, heh
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11:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
11:49 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #11 until it finishes..
11:50 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #11 is complete: Failure [failed Bootstrap]
11:50 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/11
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: is make distcheck useful when you've configured with --disable-glout ?
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13:14 <epsy> hi
13:15 <metis> hii
13:19 <deja_vu> hey
13:28 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6737 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Make bootstrap not fail
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13:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6738 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/language/ (french.txt spanish.txt): corrected title
13:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6739 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tArray.cpp tMemManager.cpp): Added guards around MALLOC_REPLACEMENT definition
13:45 <z-manuel> I really thought I committed those twice already.
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14:10 <wrtlprnft> armabuilder: ping
14:14 <Vanhayes> wow this is probly the most people I've seen here when there wasnt a competition going on.
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14:16 <wrtlprnft> armabuilder and armabot aren't people
14:16 <wrtlprnft> neither is luke-jr 
14:17 <Vanhayes> heh, I knew that about luke-jr and armabot already, but what is armabuilder?
14:18 <wrtlprnft> i don't know it exactly myself
14:18 <Vanhayes> im guessing something that helps you build arma
14:18 <wrtlprnft> but http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12481
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14:21 <Vanhayes> Well I guess that explains it, even if I dont understand most of it
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15:07  * luke-jr stabs wrtlprnft
15:12 <k3nNy> xD
15:12 <k3nNy> which cmd do u use anyway for such actions luke?
15:15 <z-man>   /me
15:15 <k3nNy> ah ok thx
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15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6740 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac): Moved ruby detection out of the client-only section.
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15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6741 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp): Fixed compiler warning.
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6742 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Added build rules for monolithic swig wrappers.
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6743 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am):
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: Adapted to monolithic swig wrappers. Wrappers are statically linked into the
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: program.
15:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6744 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Makefile.in and _wrap.cxx to the igored files (the right way this time).
15:44 <wrtlprnft> now why's that compiler throwing a warning there?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i see it
15:45 <z-man> Heh, I edited the system ruby include file so I can actually see our own warnings again :)
15:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
15:46 <wrtlprnft> usually i run make >/dev/null to see the warnings, but that stopped working with ruby
15:48 <z-man> I call the ruby headers broken. They don't work with any automake project.
15:49 <wrtlprnft> actually, why can't we make CODELEVEL=2 default?
15:50 <wrtlprnft> can it ever hurt?
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15:52 <z-man> No, only warnings are enabled. Why, do you forget setting it in your builds?
15:52 <z-man> The reason 0 is the default is publicity, of course :) We don't want everyone to see the pedantic warnings of a brand new compiler version.
15:54 <z-man> So, with trunk compilation finally working again in all configurations, perhaps now I can finally merge from 0.2.8 again?
15:54 <wrtlprnft> yay
15:54 <wrtlprnft> but is there a lot, actually?
15:55 <z-man> No, not from me, anyway.
15:55 <z-man> But I remember whanting to merge, seeing trunk compilation fail somewhere, and postponing the merge until we got that fixed.
15:57 <wrtlprnft> see if there's anything to merge :P
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15:58 <wrtlprnft> i merged at some point in time, i think because of the new chatbot
16:05 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort
16:05 <wrtlprnft> haha, that's fun
16:06 <wrtlprnft> i think i'll use that in the program i have to write for my test :)
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16:09 <z-man> Right, the chatbot. That's what I wanted to merge :)
16:12 <z-man> Hmm, Luke seems to have elevated RESPAWN_HACK to an official feature. Strange.
16:12 <z-man> That doesn't look like him at all :)
16:19 <DrJoeTron> are people forgetting how to use mesa
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16:19 <DrJoeTron> message boards 
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16:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yeah, there's been some discussion about that in here
16:20 <DrJoeTron> hey nemo what does [dlh] stand for anyways?
16:33 <luke-jr|work> z-man: ...
16:33 <luke-jr|work> z-man: someone redefined "stable" to include feature additions
16:34 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
16:35 <luke-jr|work> z-man: and deathmatch mode has no negative effects when the config options aren't changed, so...
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16:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: IIRC z-man didn't want the current configs to become permanent
16:42 <wrtlprnft> as soon as it's in the official release and people use it we'll have to stick with them
16:42 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: so don't document them as permanent
16:43 <luke-jr|work> if they need to be temporal, then the docs should say so
16:43 <luke-jr|work> however, we need to stick with them anyway, as 028 clients won't understand anything else
16:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> not with the purely serverside ones
16:44 <wrtlprnft> haha, sorting an array with 100 elements using bozo sort takes a long tim
16:44 <wrtlprnft> e
16:44 <luke-jr|work> so document THOSE as temporal...
16:45 <wrtlprnft> people don't read documentation
16:45 <wrtlprnft> if they have to find out how to even get the configs they'll read that it's a hack
16:45 <wrtlprnft> if they just see the config of a server with respawning and it works on their server they won't read anything
16:45 <z-man> luke-jr|work: it's enabled by default...
16:45 <luke-jr|work> z-man: it is??
16:46 <luke-jr|work> :o
16:46 <z-man> yes. :)
16:46 <luke-jr|work> that's bad :p
16:46 <luke-jr|work> bash: /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image//usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts/sysinstall: No such file or directory
16:46 <z-man> I wouldn't mind terriby if it was also possible to disable it at runtime (and that it was disabled by default)
16:47 <luke-jr|work> I was expecting it to be disabled by default :p
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ok, i don't think this sort will finish in a forseeable time :s
16:49 <z-man> luke-jr: shall I take care that it's disabled?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 100 * 100! / (10 * 10!)
16:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (100 * (100 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 2.57182031 * 10^(152)
16:50 <wrtlprnft> ok, nvm, i won't live long enough to see it finished
16:50 <luke-jr|work> z-man: wait, by enabled/disabled, you mean the config file stuff, right?
16:50 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: lol
16:50 <wrtlprnft> it'll take 1^150 times as long as with 10 elements, on average
16:50 <wrtlprnft> and with ten it took like 5 seconds
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * 10^(152)
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * (10^152) = 2.57182031 * 10^(153) seconds
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * 10^(152) in years
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * (10^152) = 8.14978085 * 10^(145) years
16:51 <z-man> I mean that I just did a fresh 0.2.8 checkout, built it, and got respawned.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 20 * 20! / (10 * 10!)
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (20 * (20 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 1,340,885,145,600
16:51 <z-man> IIRC, there is no config file item to control respawning, just the RESPAWN_HACK #define.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> argh, even that won't work
16:52 <z-man> That's why it's a HACK :)
16:52 <luke-jr|work> z-man: sure there is
16:52 <luke-jr|work> 2 config items IIRC
16:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 15 * 15! / (10 * 10!)
16:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (15 * (15 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 540,540
16:52 <luke-jr|work> INVULNERABLE_TIME is one
16:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: that's needed by the client
16:53 <z-man> those only control what happens after you respawn, not whether you respawn.
16:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 5 seconds * 1,340,885,145,600
16:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 5 seconds * 1,340,885,145,600 = 212,454.969 years
16:53 <luke-jr|work> hmm
16:53 <wrtlprnft> even 15 elements is too long
16:53 <z-man> try 2 :)
16:54 <wrtlprnft> 10 works already
16:54 <luke-jr|work> so we need a new config item :o
16:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 12 * 12! / (10 * 10!) * 5 seconds
16:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((12 * (12 !)) / (10 * (10 !))) * (5 seconds) = 13.2 minutes
16:54 <wrtlprnft> ok, that's bearable
16:54 <luke-jr|work> but first, I'd like to get trunk to build and install :p
16:55 <z-man> Try again. Make devckeck just ran through for me.
16:56 <luke-jr|work> DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image/ ROOTDIR= bash /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image//usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts/sysinstall install /usr/games
16:56 <luke-jr|work> why is it running sysinstall from the DESTDIR?
16:58 <z-man> because sysinstall is supposed to be executed AFTER the game has been installed in its proper location.
16:58 <z-man> I guess. What where DESTDIR and ROOTDIR again?
16:59 <luke-jr|work> ROOTDIR is the final root
16:59 <luke-jr|work> DESTDIR is a temporal prefix to it
16:59 <luke-jr|work> wtf does sysinstall do if not install?
17:03 <z-man> sysinstall wraps up the installation. It does everything that has to be done after a binary distribution has been installed (==copied) to a user's system. Install menus, create users, that stuff.
17:05 <z-man> And it's called from DESTDIR if it is called from make because at that point, nothing has been installed into ROOTDIR yet.
17:05 <z-man> so calling it from ROOTDIR would not work.
17:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6745 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac): Disabled respawning by default, and clarified its status as a hack.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/312091
17:06 <wrtlprnft> i think i'll use that in my next computer science test
17:07 <luke-jr|work> z-man: menus should be done before that...
17:08 <z-man> wrtlprnft: always pushing the limits of computer science, eh?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:09 <z-man> luke-jr: no, they can't. Different distributions store them in different places.
17:09 <wrtlprnft> he didn't say it needed to be the most efficient algorithm, in fact he said it doesn't have to be
17:09 <wrtlprnft> so everyone will be using bubblesort, probably
17:09 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: does that mean it can be extensively inefficient?
17:10 <luke-jr|work> screw bubble sort. just remake a new list one by one :p
17:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: actually this algo is amazingly easy to write. no recursion, nothing. just a while (1) loop and a for loop
17:11 <luke-jr|work> just randomly reorder stuff until it's sorted
17:11 <luke-jr|work> :)
17:11 <z-man> You can't have everything, I guess. If you want to have the slowest sort in the world, it can't also be insanaly difficult to understand.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/312096
17:12 <luke-jr|work> :)
17:12 <wrtlprnft> i'd use more c++ goodness, but i'm afraid the teacher won't understand it
17:13 <luke-jr|work> pfft
17:14 <luke-jr|work> if you can confuse the teacher in his own field, you should get a refund for the class
17:14 <wrtlprnft> like std::copy, std::vector and a template function
17:14 <wrtlprnft> though i could directly use std::sort then :P
17:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: math teacher
17:19 <luke-jr|work> then why do you need to use code? :p
17:20 <luke-jr|work> z-man: so why aren't scripts copied to DESTDIR first?
17:21 <z-man> Aren't they?
17:21 <luke-jr|work> apparently not
17:21 <luke-jr|work> also, we seem to make /usr/games/share and /usr/share/games O.o
17:23 <z-man> Isn't that automake's job?
17:23 <luke-jr|work> I'm guessing one is hard coded somewhere
17:23 <luke-jr|work> aha!
17:24 <z-man> And "make installcheck", i'm quite sure, sets different values for DESTDIR and ROOTDIR, and it seems to work.
17:24 <luke-jr|work> we're appending the slot to the script dir
17:24 <luke-jr|work> installcheck might not use slots?
17:24 <z-man> slots?
17:24 <luke-jr|work> --with-multislot
17:24 <luke-jr|work> multiver*
17:25 <luke-jr|work> usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts-experimental-live/
17:25 <luke-jr|work> 'experimental-live' is the multiver value
17:25 <luke-jr|work> usr/games/share/services/armagetronad.protocol is the one file outside the norm share path
17:26 <z-man> Hmm, installcheck uses whatever was configured, I guess.
17:27 <luke-jr|work> ah
17:27 <luke-jr|work> makes sense
17:27 <luke-jr|work> protocolfiledir=${prefix}/share/services
17:27 <luke-jr|work> there's bug #2
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6746 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/desktop/Makefile.am: ${prefix}/share should be ${datadir}
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17:47 <luke-jr|work> argh
18:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6747 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (acinclude.m4 configure.ac): I think this fixes the directory problems
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6748 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (15 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6345 to 6745:
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6745 | z-man | 2007-01-10 17:06:45 +0100 (Wed, 10 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  Disabled respawning by default, and clarified its status as a hack.
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6682 | luke-jr | 2007-01-03 23:18:35 +0100 (Wed, 03 Jan 2007) | 1 line
18:11 <luke-jr|work> is there a good way to get everything within #ifdef ? :p
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> gvim, % key?
18:13 <luke-jr|work> eg, see a diff for RESPAWN_HACK
18:13 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:13 <luke-jr|work> where file1 is if the #ifdef is false and file2 is with it true
18:14 <wrtlprnft> gotta find out how to run it through the preprocessor :P
18:14 <luke-jr|work> cpp
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18:15 <luke-jr|work> but there's multiple files :(
18:16 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6749 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/Makefile.am: aa_scriptdir is no more
18:16 <z-man> luke-jr: yeah, that seems to be it :)
18:19 <luke-jr|work> z-man: ?
18:21 <z-man> your fix.
18:21 <luke-jr|work> which one
18:23 <z-man> Your two latest commits.
18:23 <wrtlprnft> which ones?
18:24 <z-man> grrrrr
18:25 <z-man> 6749 and 4747, if that was a serious question.
18:25 <luke-jr|work> lol
18:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work didn't make a commit for 2002 revisions? and no, it wasn't a serious question
18:26 <luke-jr|work> woo
18:26 <luke-jr|work> armagetronad-live merged
18:26  * z-man grumbles and does something else.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> svn: Failed to add directory 'src/swig': object of the same name already exists
18:27 <wrtlprnft> grr
18:27 <wrtlprnft> delete it?
18:27 <z-man> yes
18:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6750 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: that should be PN
18:28 <z-man> it's stale, filled with auto-generated content
18:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6751 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: digest
18:28 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
18:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6752 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (acinclude.m4 batch/Makefile.am configure.ac): Backported Luke's directory fix.
18:29 <luke-jr|work> was it a problem there??
18:30 <luke-jr|work> pretty sure it wasn't...
18:30 <z-man> scriptdir also existed there.
18:30 <luke-jr|work> but it worked
18:30 <z-man> not for me.
18:30 <luke-jr|work> O.o
18:31 <luke-jr|work> 0.2.8.2.1 didn't have the problem
18:31 <luke-jr|work> nor did 0.3.0
18:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6753 / (2 files in 2 dirs): beatuified.
18:31 <z-man> I'm not too sure whether the backport works yet, either. I'll see about that in a second.
18:32 <z-man> Well, the problem only manifests itself during "make install" if you leave sysinstall enabled. Maybe you disabled it then?
18:33 <z-man> I'm pretty sure it was required for various workarounds.
18:34 <z-man> Anyway, I have a fresh checkout with multiver configured, and devcheck failed a minute ago with the same error you gave. Let's see if that has changed.
18:36 <z-man> yep, works now.
18:38 <luke-jr|work> z-man: I mean the directory installed by 028/030 was 'scripts'
18:39 <luke-jr|work> but 028 isn't using multiver!
18:39 <luke-jr|work> hmm
18:41 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what do i pass as template parameter for tReferencable if i derive from it?
18:43 <z-man> The class you want to derive from it.
18:43 <z-man> class huh: public tReferencable<huh>{};
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that works? wow
18:44 <z-man> Yeah :)
18:44 <wrtlprnft> looks quite circular to me
18:44 <z-man> But isn't there a non-template version around?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> like class huh: public huh ;)
18:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, dunno
18:44 <wrtlprnft> i can't find any spot where it's used :s
18:45 <z-man> Must have been in some other project, then. I can't find it, either.
18:46 <wrtlprnft> so if i have a tReferencable i can use a tList of that, right?
18:47 <z-man> Let's see...
18:48 <z-man> You can have a tList of basically everything. If you want tList to reference objects, though, you need to put
18:48 <z-man> tDECLARE_REFOBJ( yourObject )
18:48 <z-man> somewhere in your header.
18:48 <wrtlprnft> i want the list to own pointers of my object
18:49 <z-man> And remember that tList has these quirky semantics with wanting to store an index in your objects :/
18:51 <wrtlprnft> isn't there any chance to get tArray to be derived from std::vector?
18:51 <z-man> If you don't want that, just use std::vector< tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR< yourObject > > .
18:51 <wrtlprnft> to get iterators and all that
18:51 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6754 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Reworked SWIG/Ruby build system for autohell.
18:51 <z-man> there is. Plenty.
18:51 <wrtlprnft> ah, the vector approach is fine w/ me
18:51 <z-man> Because tArray currently does not work with my Io smart pointers.
18:54 <wrtlprnft> grr, i just read that stl containers are not intended to be derived from
18:56  * wrtlprnft is trying to get rid of the braindead tAutoDeque :P
18:58 <wrtlprnft>         if(cWidget::WithCoordinates *coordWidget = dynamic_cast<cWidget::WithCoordinates *>(&(*(*iter)))) {
18:58 <wrtlprnft> this is the ugliest cast i ever did :(
19:06 <[dlh]> hmmm…
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6755 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Got rid of the braindead tAutoDeque in favor of a std::vector<tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR>
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Rebeautified
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19:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: Whoa! Does that don't-derive-from policy also affect std::string?
19:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i don't think so
19:11 <wrtlprnft> STL containers are not intended to be used as base classes (their destructors are deliberately non-virtual). Deriving from a container is a common mistake made by novices.
19:11 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Template_Library
19:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: noob! jk
19:12 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6756 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am swig/Makefile.am): Ruby/SWIG build system for automake now works
19:13 <wrtlprnft> though i wonder why a nonvirtual constructor would hurt
19:13 <z-man> you can't call delete on a std::container<> pointer and expect it to work.
19:13 <wrtlprnft> it only means that you can't derive two classes from the same container and expect to be able to store them in the same pointer
19:14 <z-man> Umm, no :)
19:15 <wrtlprnft> class A : std::container<foo> { virtual ~A(); };
19:15 <wrtlprnft> class B : A { int some_data; };
19:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, insert a “public” there
19:16 <wrtlprnft> means that you can still delete an A pointer that contains a B object, right?
19:16 <z-man> Then you do std::container<foo> * Ptr = new A; delete Ptr; and watch it do bad things.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> then don't do it :P
19:16 <z-man> yes.
19:18 <z-man> But that does "not designed to be base classes" mean.
19:18 <z-man> You can still derive other classes from them, but you can't use them as the base class in all aspects.
19:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i had some trouble with my tAutoPtr thing
19:19 <z-man> Yay! A windows build!
19:19 <wrtlprnft> i originally intended it to be able to derive from any container
19:20 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:20 <z-man> Now that ruby is optional, it wasn't all that difficult.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> not cross-compiled, though, right?
19:20 <z-man> err, no. plain old code::blocks
19:20 <z-man> I'm still scared of cross compilation.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> as soon as we're able to cross compile i'll be able to put up nightly windows builds
19:21 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MinGW
19:21 <wrtlprnft> sounds easy but doesn't even compile libxml for me :(
19:23 <z-man> Last time I tried the gentoo way, i didn't get g++, only gcc.
19:24 <wrtlprnft> i think i have g++
19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6757 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (configure.ac scripts/menu.rb): removed dead code
19:50 <luke-jr|work> z-man: IIRC, the gentoo way requires emerging gcc twice: first, for just gcc; then, for both gcc and g++
19:51 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: why not just use a binary libxml? :p
19:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6758 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): oops, need to remove that entirely..
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6759 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): explicitly inherit base
20:25 <z-man> luke-jr|work: how, exactly, would this two stage process work if you're building a cross compiler?
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20:43 <z-man> I don't suppose anyone here has a clue how we can get vParser.ypp to work in code::blocks?
20:44 <z-man> Apart from the obvious "use yacc on it", I mean.
20:47 <luke-jr|work> I don't think yacc supports C++
20:48 <z-man> ah, there's bison distributed with code::blocks
20:49 <z-man> GNU bison is sufficient, right?
20:49 <z-man> Gaa, it's version 1.28
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6760 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): only ln digest
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20:56 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6761 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): base_src_unpack sucks
21:01 <luke-jr|work> O.o
21:05 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || The Lobster Cage (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (5 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (5 players) || BFAM--Brotherz From Another Motherz (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (4 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (4 players) || -=}ID< Immortal (1 more message)
21:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6762 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Removed unused files.
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6763 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Disabled value parser. Can't get it to work with regular code::blocks build system, bison is too old.
21:19 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6764 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): notice regarding svn revbumping
21:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6765 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): correct typo
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6766 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Windows build: Moved config.h to aa_config.h.Why doesn't SVN move work any more? Oh well.
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6767 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Updated Windows build files.
21:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: note ph wanted to keep the files for reference. whatever, i guess he'll have to use viewcvs to see them
21:22 <luke-jr|work> z-man: I hope you just disabled it on windows, so only windows is broken
21:22 <wrtlprnft> the gWinZones ones
21:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: there's no use for it anyways
21:23 <luke-jr|work> ...
21:23 <wrtlprnft> why would you want to enter an expression without any variables?
21:23 <luke-jr|work> didn't inline XML work?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> inline xml?
21:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6768 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Made SWIG wrappers compile with disabled warnings.
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6769 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Rebeautified.
21:27 <z-man> luke-jr|work: No, I made sure it breaks only on Windows and for you :)
21:27 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: your XML format within regular parsed operators
21:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: well, he should have made me open and read the comment that he wanted to keep them, then :)
21:28 <wrtlprnft> they're not lost :)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> <Value expr="<AtomicData source='player_rubber' /> * 5" />?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> eek.
21:38 <luke-jr|work> er
21:38 <luke-jr|work> who made up <Value?
21:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6770 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): wrap earlier for PF
21:43 <wrtlprnft> value always existed
21:43 <wrtlprnft> err, no
21:43 <wrtlprnft> you invented it
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6771 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Keep symbols hidden
22:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6772 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): add some space :p
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22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6773 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/ (package.mask use.local.desc): change mask message to request testing
22:07 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: <Value> tag didn't
22:07 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: it should just be inline text
22:08 <luke-jr|work> Gentoo users plz test armagetronad-live pkg
22:08 <luke-jr|work> kthx
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22:17 <epsy> hey
22:18 <luke-jr|work> hi
22:18 <luke-jr|work> you use Gentoo?
22:18 <epsy> yeah i still use gentoo :)
22:19 <epsy> what error while compilling?
22:19 <epsy> :P
22:19 <epsy> ehh
22:19 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:19 <luke-jr|work> no error afaik
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22:19 <luke-jr|work> try armagetronad-live
22:19 <luke-jr|work> layman -S first!
22:20 <epsy> yeah yeah :)
22:22 <epsy> ...
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22:23 <luke-jr|work> ...
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22:24 <epsy> ....
22:24 <epsy> compilling...
22:24 <epsy> ah yeah i remember what happended this morning...
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22:24 <epsy> the install script did failed
22:25 <luke-jr|work> :o
22:25 <luke-jr|work> rm your tmp dirs?
22:25 <epsy> well
22:25 <epsy> i'm seeing now if...
22:25 <epsy> well that was this morning
22:26 <epsy> and its evening now here 
22:26 <epsy> ;)
22:27 <epsy> ah
22:27 <epsy>  * Installing moviepack
22:27 <epsy> install: ne peut évaluer `moviepack': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
22:27 <epsy> !!! ERROR: games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693 failed.
22:27 <epsy> Call stack:
22:27 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_install
22:27 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1020:   Called src_install
22:27 <epsy>   armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild, line 167:   Called die
22:27 <epsy> :/
22:29 <luke-jr|work> translate foo
22:29 <epsy> <epsy> install: ne peut évaluer `moviepack': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
22:29 <epsy> > install: cant evaluate 'moviepack': no such file or directory
22:29 <epsy> only thing in french i see
22:32 <epsy> my use flags: [ebuild  N    ] games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693  USE="moviepack moviesounds opengl -debug -dedicated -ruby" LINGUAS="en -es" 0 kB [8]
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6774 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (scripts/initialize.rb src/swig/ext/tools/tConfiguration.i):
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad: You can now get/set configuration items through Armagetronad::TOldConf:
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Armagetronad::TOldConf.cycle_rubber # => …
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Armagetronad::TOldConf.cycle_rubber = 5
22:44 <epsy> all what you needed?
22:46 <luke-jr|work> yeah
22:46 <luke-jr|work> I never test movie* :p
22:46 <luke-jr|work> almost never*
22:47 <epsy> almostnb
22:47 <epsy> gmpf*
22:48 <luke-jr|work> wtf?
22:48 <epsy> almost oftenball (you wont understand)
22:57 <epsy> you know the story of the arma clan HTF ? all of their admins are gone, abd there's still members in it ><
22:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6775 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): fix moviepack?
23:00 <luke-jr|work> try that :p
23:00 <epsy> ...
23:02 <epsy> compiling now...
23:06 <epsy> seems worked...
23:07 <luke-jr|work> does it run?
23:07 <epsy> right cmd for it is armagetronad-experimantal-live or..??
23:07 <luke-jr|work> armagetronad-experimental-live
23:07 <epsy> k
23:08 <epsy> hm
23:09 <epsy> windowed mode don't work anymore with a comp manager...
23:09 <luke-jr|work> it never did?
23:11 <epsy> it did
23:11 <luke-jr|work> maybe pre-ftgl?
23:12 <epsy> ???
23:12 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:12 <luke-jr|work> truetype fonts
23:12 <luke-jr|work> was added for 0.3
23:12 <epsy> antialiasing is here, yes
23:13 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:16 <epsy> how i do to...
23:16 <epsy> display the hud map in wrtlprnft's cockpit file?
23:17 <luke-jr|work> dunno
23:20 <epsy> k it works
23:20 <epsy> gtg
23:20 <epsy> cya
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00:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.infidelguy.com/members/Neil/comics/0.gif A Creationist Guide For How To Argue Against 'Evil Evolution'.. :-)  
00:23 <luke-jr|work> DrJoeTron: except there is no such "proof" it claims
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00:27 <DrJoeTron> thanks for stereotyping luke :D
00:28 <luke-jr|work> ?
00:28 <DrJoeTron> I want thomas jeffersons quran
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00:41 <Compn> i bet thomas jefferson looked like a badass in a turban
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00:49 <|Sticky|> hay all
00:50 <|Sticky|> #hello
00:50 <|Sticky|> hehe
00:50 <armabot> Hello |Sticky| :) Random Fortune: America has been discovered before, but it has always been hushed up. || - Oscar Wilde
00:51 <madmax|pt> hi
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01:17 <DrJoeTron> I just bacon
01:17 <DrJoeTron> and went "amnumnumnumnum
01:18 <GodTodd> joe
01:18 <GodTodd> you bitch :)
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01:24 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:24 <DrJoeTron> I like bacon
01:24 <DrJoeTron> ahmnumnumnum
01:25 <DrJoeTron> say that to yourself without a smile on your face
01:25 <DrJoeTron> if you do...
01:25 <DrJoeTron> you...you lack a sould
01:25 <DrJoeTron> soul*
01:25 <GodTodd> i'm sure i lack one anyway :P
01:27 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron:): defcon?
01:27 <DrJoeTron> what what what!?
01:27 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd you have defcon?
01:28 <GodTodd> nah...i just hadn't seen spidey say that in a while ;)
01:28 <DrJoeTron> ah
01:28 <DrJoeTron> I was going to deny you 
01:28 <DrJoeTron> because I'm leaving in a half hour
01:29 <DrJoeTron> and then say id play  when I get back and totally forget about it
01:29 <GodTodd> idk what defcon is other than some kind of war game
01:29 <GodTodd> haha
01:29 <DrJoeTron> thats all it is
01:29 <DrJoeTron> its like risk
01:29 <DrJoeTron> but fun
01:30 <GodTodd> heh
01:40 <DrJoeTron> you know what would be really scary
01:40 <DrJoeTron> and Arma meet
01:40 <DrJoeTron> an in person one
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02:15 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
02:15 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #12 until it finishes..
02:16 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #12 is complete: Failure [failed Compile]
02:16 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/12
02:18 <mkzelda> armagetronad[13763]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b4237ef8fd8 rsp 00007fff733faa10 error 6
02:19 <mkzelda> why is arma not listed in the layman list anymore?
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
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02:24 <mkzelda> oh
02:24 <Fonkay> oh?
02:24 <mkzelda> now it requires the -k option to show up
02:25 <mkzelda> '
02:25 <mkzelda>  * Use the -k switch to also list overlays that are
02:25 <mkzelda>  * considered less secure.
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02:26 <Fonkay> I have come looking for some sort of entertainment... alas
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man wasn't considering about all the errors the swig stuff generates
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> er
02:27 <Fonkay> hiya luci
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man wasn't lying about all the errors the swig stuff generates
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> hi Fonkay (hi there!) 
02:28 <Fonkay> The interweb has ceased to amuse me
02:28 <Fonkay> ceased
02:29 <Fonkay> and I'm bored as hell
02:30 <Fonkay> is it / or # that gives the weather? i foget
02:30 <Fonkay> forget
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
02:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 60.6°F (7:30 PM CST on January 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa. 
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> amuse yourself with our new bot, armabuilder
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
02:32 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: dance
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-<
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-/
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-\
02:32 <Fonkay> hehe
02:33 <Fonkay> #weather New glasgow
02:33 <armabot> Fonkay: The current temperature in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia is 33.0°F. Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 76%. Wind: NW at 9 mph (14 km/h).
02:33 <Fonkay> bull, its not snowing
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
02:33 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #13 until it finishes [1m17s]..
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> eta?
02:34 <Fonkay> oh shit, look at that, it is snowing
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:34 <Fonkay> I couldn't see it until i turned the light on outside
02:35 <Fonkay> my car has a light coating
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> haha, the buildbot is confused.  It thinks it'll be done in 1 second, but it thought that 30 seconds ago
02:36 <Fonkay> other than build bots, what else is new luci, haven't talk to you in a while
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> looking for work, got any?
02:37 <Fonkay> not in your field.... or in your current place of residence,
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02:38 <Fonkay> if you want to work as a journeyman carpenter in canada, i have work for you.
02:38 <Fonkay> or maybe as a cook...
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
02:38 <Fonkay> hey moms, how you doing?
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> im okay, how are you?
02:39 <GodTodd> we're trying to get you a job, mom ;)
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to move to canada and it paid the bills while I'm in school
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> hey mom, you ever manage to the trunk to build on your machine?
02:39 <Fonkay> I'm working part time as a cook right now, which blows.
02:40 <Fonkay> I'm doing alright, failing at my quitting smoking, that's about all my news
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> luci are you talking about compiling arma? 
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes :)
02:40 <Fonkay> Trying to build a trebuchet and raise money, other than that, nothing
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> no :(
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> a trebuchet?  Isn't that like a really large crossbow?
02:40 <Fonkay> no
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> #dict trebuchet
02:41 <Fonkay> it's like a catapult, but more efficient
02:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn and gcide responded: wn: trebuchet n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, {arbalist}, {ballista}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebucket}]; gcide: Trebuchet \Treb"u*chet\, Trebucket \Tre"buck*et\, n. [OF. trebuchet, trebukiet, an engine of war for hurling stones, F. (4 more messages)
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> has built a 5 foot tall trebuchet before
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> is it the one that's basically a large, mechanized sling?
02:41 <Fonkay> we're building a 7-8foot one to compete against engineering students
02:41 <Fonkay> yea
02:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #13 is complete: Success [build successful]
02:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/13
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> civil engineering students?
02:41 <Fonkay> basically
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> so they're building a castle?
02:42 <Fonkay> no
02:42 <Fonkay> they're also building trebuchets
02:42 <Fonkay> we're going to throw 2kg balls at targets.
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> if a trebuchet is the large sling, what's a scorpion?
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> and what is the really big crossbow?
02:42 <Fonkay> and then if we win, we're going to have a huge party.
02:43 <Fonkay> uhhh, neither?
02:43 <Fonkay> that's the uhhh... starts with a P
02:43 <Fonkay> i think
02:44 <Fonkay> ballista?
02:44 <Fonkay> yea, that's it
02:44 <Fonkay> Ballista.
02:45 <Fonkay> for the competition, you can either build a catapult, a trebuchet, or a ballista
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_siege_weaponry
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> looks like catapult, trebuchet, and ballista were all used to throw stones
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the large crossbow I only know about from D&D, so it may not have actually existed
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> but it wasn't a seige weapon anyway, it ws artillery
02:47 <Fonkay> #dict Ballista
02:47 <armabot> Fonkay: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Ballista \Bal*lis"ta\, n.; pl. {Ballist[ae]}. [L. ballista, balista, fr. Gr. ba`llein to throw.] An ancient military engine, in the form of a crossbow, used for hurling large missiles. [1913 Webster]; wn: ballista n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, (1 more message)
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
02:48 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #13 until it finishes..
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't it be a slingshot if it threw stones?  ;)
02:49 <Fonkay> well the trebuchet is the only one with the sling, which is what we're building
02:49 <Fonkay> sorry if I'm not making much sense.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> slingshot, where you take a rubber band, stretch it between the two branches of a stick, then pull it back and shoot
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> it shoots in a straight line
02:50 <Fonkay> no
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> see, a sling (and a trebuchet) use the angular momentum of a sling, and the shot goes on a tangent
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> so if a crossbow-shaped device were used to throw rocks, it would look like a really large slingshot
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> a trebuchet uses weights
02:51 <Fonkay> the trebuchet uses counter weight to swing a big arm witha sling on it
02:51 <Your_mom_arma> i cant tell if we're all talking about the same thing
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, comparing ballista to trebuchet?  :)
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> the definition fonkay pulled up for ballista made it sound like a really large slingshot, like what Dennis the Menace carried around, only large and mechanized
02:52 <Fonkay> that's what the ballista is
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then what's a scorpion?
02:52 <Fonkay> A ballista is shaped, and looks like a giant crossbow
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, the only reference for a scorpion that I have is int he Belisarius series
02:53 <Fonkay> but a trebuchet, has a sling, but doesn't work like a slingshot
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> where it sounds like a trebuchet, so it's possible that if it's not completely madeup, a scorpion is just a byzantine trebuchet
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> right, a trebuchet works like a sling, like david vs goliath, that kind of sling
02:53 <Fonkay> kinda, yes
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballista  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
02:55 <Fonkay> The ballista (Latin, from Greek balliste-s, from ballein 'to throw', plural ballistae) was a powerful ancient crossbow, although employing a several loops of twisted skeins to power it using torsion rather than a prod. Early versions ejected heavy darts or spherical stone projectiles of various sizes. It developed into a smaller sniper weapon, the Scorpion.
02:55 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #13 is complete: Failure [failed Compile Distcheck]
02:55 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/13
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> wahahaha
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> failed because I ran out room on the partition
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
02:58 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #14 until it finishes [7m33s]..
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> we need more builds
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what I have to do to build the game under windows?
03:00 <Fonkay> nope
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> me either, otherwise i would have done it already
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> #help m
03:01 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "message $*".
03:02 <Fonkay> TV is evil
03:02 <Fonkay> and i'm hungry
03:03 <Your_mom_arma> #m DrJoeTron http://www.game-warden.com/starfox/
03:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> this buildbot is really neat :)
03:03 <Fonkay> if i knew what is was/did i might agree
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
03:04 <Fonkay> i did my picuter of me in sapce finalyl
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> luci theres some documentation on the wiki about it but its sparse
03:04 <Fonkay> wow
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> it just builds the game.  I'm trying to get it to where it'll run nightly builds of any branch that changed and the trunk
03:04 <Fonkay> i did my picture of me in space finally
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> Fonkay: I saw.  You don't have arms, apparently, how do you play arma?
03:04 <Fonkay> I don't... when the last time you saw me play?
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> apparently before you lost your arms
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> fonkay could play with a ddr pad
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> do we support ddr pads?
03:05 <Fonkay> I type through my mic..
03:05 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #14 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
03:05 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/14
03:06 <Fonkay> although I'm not sure why i spent the money on a mic since i never ever use it
03:06 <Your_mom_arma> i doubt it, but you could set it to emulate keyboard key presses
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh, apparently the trunk is still broke, it doesn't pass distcheck
03:06 <Fonkay> I tried to do arms, but they all looked stupid, so i left them out
03:07 <Fonkay> the whole thing looked much better before i accidently resized it to like 20%, and then blew it back up, and it went all blurry
03:08 <Fonkay> but whatever
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't you use your undo button?
03:08 <Fonkay> pft
03:08 <Fonkay> undo is for pussies
03:09 <GodTodd> undoing something implies you made a mistake ;)
03:09 <Fonkay> I dunno really. cause I didn't think of it? small towns make me drink a lot
03:09 <Fonkay> I replaced smoking with alcoholism
03:09 <Fonkay> w00t
03:10 <Fonkay> but whatevr, it's just a paint picture of me in space, right?
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> sure
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really disappointed the client failed make distcheck
03:11 <GodTodd> #dict sectarian
03:11 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sectarian \Sec*ta"ri*an\, a. Pertaining to a sect, or to sects; peculiar to a sect; bigotedly attached to the tenets and interests of a denomination; as, sectarian principles or prejudices. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Sectarian \Sec*ta"ri*an\, n. One of a sect; a member or adherent of a special school, denomination, or religious or (5 more messages)
03:11 <Fonkay> what's dist?
03:12 <Fonkay> #more
03:12 <armabot> Fonkay: {arbalist}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebuchet}, {trebucket}] [also: {ballistae} (pl)]
03:13 <Fonkay> ballistae, neat
03:13 <Fonkay> #dict trebucket
03:13 <armabot> Fonkay: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: bouvier: TREBUCKET. The name of an engine of punishment, said to be synonymous with tumbrel. (q.v.); gcide: Castigatory \Cas"ti*ga*to*ry\, n. An instrument formerly used to punish and correct arrant scolds; -- called also a {ducking stool}, or {trebucket}. --Blacktone. [1913 Webster]; wn: trebucket n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a (3 more messages)
03:13 <Fonkay> #more
03:13 <armabot> Fonkay: heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, {arbalist}, {ballista}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebuchet}]; gcide: Trebuchet \Treb"u*chet\, Trebucket \Tre"buck*et\, n. [OF. trebuchet, trebukiet, an engine of war for hurling stones, F. tr['e]buchet a gin, trap, a kind of balance, fr. OF. trebuchier, trebuquier, to stumble, trip, F. (2 more messages)
03:14 <Fonkay> #more
03:14 <armabot> Fonkay: tr['e]bucher.] 1. A cucking stool; a tumbrel. --Cowell. [1913 Webster] 2. A military engine used in the Middle Ages for throwing stones, etc. It acted by means of a great weight fastened to the short arm of a lever, which, being let fall, raised the end of the long arm with great velocity, hurling stones with much force. [1913 Webster] [1913 Webster] 3. A kind of balance for weighing. (1 more message)
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> Fonkay: when you do "make dist" after building the game, a source distribution is created.  so distcheck is another make target that builds a distribution and checks that everything that's needed to build it is there
03:14 <Fonkay> #more
03:14 <armabot> Fonkay: [Obs.] [1913 Webster]
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03:14 <Lucifer_arma> the upshot is that the trunk right now can't be released thataway, the distribution would be incomplete
03:15 <Fonkay> hmmm.
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> see, the buildbot is supposed to keep us sane in places we haven't relaly been able to do so
03:15 <Fonkay> Sure wish i knew more about this sort of thing
03:16 <Fonkay> sanity is good
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> as it is before the buildbot, when someone works ont he game, they can break the build on any platform, and cause other problems, and never notice
03:16 <GodTodd> sanity sucks
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't get noticed until someone else comes along and wants to do work on the platform that was broken
03:16 <Fonkay> oh, ok... makes sense
03:17 <Fonkay> fix one thing, by breaking something else, sounds so much like a computer to me
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> when that person does work, he first has to fix the first guy's problems
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> the motivation here is that the last 4-5 times I'e sat down to work on the sound engine, the build was broke for me and instead of working on the sound engine, I had to get the build working
03:18 <Fonkay> cool, thannk you explaining...My guess in my head wasn't even close.
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> so I found the buildbot, which will build at least once a day on my machine, and I'm encouraging other developers to setup buildslaves for their platforms
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> so we will hopefully find out about these problems and fix them before they prevent someone from doing work
03:19 <Fonkay> why would people be fucking around wiht the sounds engine to begin with?
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> they're not
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> the build was broken for example because nemo's ruby merge happened
03:19 <Fonkay> oh, so them fucking around with everything else is somehow messing up and breaking things on the sound engine
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't build the game until that was fixed.  In that case I didn't mind helping nemo, so it's not as serious a complaint as it might sound.
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, it just makes it so the game doesn't build, and I (nor anybody else) can't do anything if the game doesn't build at all
03:20 <Fonkay> and not only the sound engine, but other things as well
03:20 <Fonkay> ooooooh.
03:20 <Fonkay> sorry, i'm a bit computer illiterate..
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible that someone working in some esoteric part of the game using esoteric tools (vValue, *cough*) could prevent the whole rest of the team from doing anything
03:21 <Fonkay> but i thnk I'm getting it now
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
03:21 <Fonkay> so what the stop is the ability to build?
03:22 <Fonkay> and therefore you can't do things until you're able to build again>
03:22 <Fonkay> ?
03:23 <Fonkay> the long pause is telling me my guess is wrong once again
03:25 <Fonkay> ok
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, I just had to go 'fix' the other computer
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> the other computer is broken 99% of the time because my wife is so completely computer illiterate, but insists otherwise
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> this time I had to turn up the mixer levels so my daughter could get sound
03:28 <Fonkay> ok, i apparently didn't get it at all, now I'm really confused
03:28 <Fonkay> oh well
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> so the buildbot will build the game every day on all supported platforms (at least, on al platforms that have a buildslsave)
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> and if it fails to build, it'll report to us that it failed along with a complete log of the build, and the users who made commits since the last successful build
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll know what happened and a shortlist of people to blame :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> so for example, if it fails to build in Linux, and it's my fault, then I was very inconsiderate because I develop in linux and should have known better
03:30 <Fonkay> blaming people, now that I understand :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> but say it fails to build in windows and it's my fault
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't develop in windows at all!
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> but now I'll be able to see that it failed, why it failed, and even work on fixing it, because you can trigger builds from the web interface
03:30 <Fonkay> woosh
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> so I can get my own work building in Windows before the windows guy has to deal with it
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I give up.  The buildbot is to enforce our rule that the trunk always build.  ANything else we get out of it is just gravy.  :)
03:32 <Fonkay> well, sorry i don't comprehend what you're saying, but i do appreciate your trying to exlpain. that's more than most people would do
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, come right down to it, if you're not involved in the release process, all you really need to know is "it'll help identify problems before they get too serious".  :)
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> This is deep down in the bowels of software development where only developers and build engineers should tread
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> others may find it risky
03:34 <Fonkay> I would find it incomprehensable
03:34 <Fonkay> #dict incomprehensable
03:34 <armabot> Fonkay: No definition for "incomprehensable" could be found.
03:35 <Fonkay> wow, i can't spell
03:36 <Fonkay> i had a hard enough time trying to do ym basic website, which is now unexistent since iceman's dissappearance
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you need hosting I can probably host your website for you
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a high bandwidth connection though, but its the same machine that hosts my website and the arma wiki
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> and teh buildmaster :)
03:44 <Fonkay> well, i'm sure i lost my .net by now as well, and I'm too cheap to pay for it again
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> I could give you fonkay.davefancella.com
03:46 <Fonkay> at least not until i ge more stuff to put on my site, and a little bit more skill in the scri[ting department
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> that would depend on me keeping my domain
03:46 <Fonkay> hehe
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> you could take a free no-ip domain, like fonkay.no-ip.net
03:46 <Fonkay> i would accecpt, btu not without you understand my need for constant supervisoin first
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't provide constant supervision, but I can provide an environment where google can actually help you
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. a webroot, ftp/ssh access, and technical details on what the webserver supports
03:48 <Fonkay> yes, but i don't think your get my real lack of competance here
03:48 <Fonkay> I really suck
03:48 <Fonkay> but i would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind setting it up for me
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, a good alternate is for you to use Drupal instead of doing anything by hand.  :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> I already have a Drupal setup, and you'd just need to read drupal docs, which are unfortunately pretty thin :/
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: are you here right now?
03:56  * luke-jr picked up a PV2 today
03:57 <GodTodd> well put it down before it pees on you...
03:57 <luke-jr> ...
03:58 <GodTodd> ...
03:59 <Your_mom_arma> ...
03:59 <GodTodd> ...!
04:00 <Fonkay> well, i'll look into it a bit more, indie gave a few sites for programming way back when, i'll have to revisit those
04:00  * Fonkay slaps Your_mom_arma around a bit with a large trout
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> uff
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> how could you
04:00 <Fonkay> don't act like you don't like it
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04:00 <Your_mom_arma> your right
04:01 <Fonkay> you're*
04:01 <Fonkay> and i kow i am
04:01 <Fonkay> know
04:04 <Fonkay> ok, i think i shold go to bed before i oass out on my keyboard
04:04 <Fonkay> #night
04:04 <armabot> Good night Fonkay!
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04:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, the 0.2.8 build is going, but I don't know if it's actually building anything useful
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to have to face the possibility that this partition really is too full
04:11 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
04:11 <armabot> spidey: [01:35:40] <GodTodd> nah...i just hadn't seen spidey say that in a while ;)
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04:15 <Durka> #hello
04:15 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Give him an evasive answer.
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with luci --nolimit
04:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:11:27] <Your_mom_arma> luci theres some documentation on the wiki about it but its sparse, [02:47:39] <Your_mom_arma> luci are you talking about compiling arma?, [02:44:04] <Fonkay> other than build bots, what else is new luci, haven't talk to you in a while, [02:34:46] <Fonkay> hiya luci, and [16:41:34] <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
04:20 <GodTodd> #last --with stfu --nolimit
04:20 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 8094 messages.
04:20 <GodTodd> wow...this channel's getting too nice
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it's all those fucking flightgear files I downloaded
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> realistically only luke says stfu, the rest of us woudl rather someone keep talking so we can keep cussing at them
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: your semester done now?
04:21 <GodTodd> well....true
04:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): yeah...got til tuesday off
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't happen to have a) a windows box you can let us use for builds, b) time to setup an arma dev environment on it, and c) time to get buildbot to work on it, would you?
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's potentially 20-40 hours of work, so think very carefully before you volunteer
04:22 <GodTodd> heh
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm trying to get it going under wine, just because if I can get it going under wine, someone else can too
04:22 <GodTodd> what all's involved?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> first install code::blocks.  You have to install from the nightlies for that.  You already have svn installed, hopefully there's a commandline command in there too
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> then you have to get arma building, I suggest using the 0.2.8 branch since that branch is known to work right now
04:23 <GodTodd> building with code::blocks or what?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> basically, after you get all that done, then we have to get a buildbot buildslave on it
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> building with code::blocks
04:23 <GodTodd> hmmm i'd have to read up on code::blocks
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk doesn't build in windows right now, and that's a problem, and there's a lot of stuff involved in getting it building that I don't even want to try right now
04:24 <GodTodd> i have it but i haven't used it
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> you need one of the recent nightly snapshots that doesn't come in a nice self-installer.  If you hae the 1.0 RC, you'd need to update
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm that far in my wine setup, I just need to get the game building now.  :)
04:24 <GodTodd> heh
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, for the buildslave, we need some way to tell it to checkout from svn.  It's theoretically supported under windows, and maybe it really is supported under windows
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that's easier done than said, you know?
04:25 <GodTodd> i know how that goes
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> building should be a matter of calling the commandline code::blocks builder and nsis installer
04:25  * Durka looks for armabuilder!
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'll happily work on that stuff if you can just get a buildslave that works going
04:25 <Durka> armabuilder: danced
04:25 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
04:25 <armabuilder> 0-<
04:26 <armabuilder> 0-/
04:26 <armabuilder> 0-\
04:26 <Durka> :p
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, we're smacck out of iwndows developers.  I suspect joda's going to reappear to say he's on indefinite hiatus.  Even if he doesn't, he's sitll MIA
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> so we only have a part-time windows developer, and that's z-man and he's got so much on his shoulders right now around here that I'd like to get something else going
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> so my alternate plan, while we solicit more windows developers, is to get some machine that can generate windows builds and we can all pitch in and try to keep it building
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter what, imo.  Could be a mingw cross-compiler running in linux, could be code::blocks running in wine, could be someone not attached to the project giving up some cpu time to get us over the hump
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04:28 <GodTodd> http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/2006/08/setting-up-pybots-buildslave.html
04:29 <GodTodd> these instructions good with modifications?
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, they're linux-specific
04:29 <GodTodd> k
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> setting up a buildslave is easy, you just tell it to create one, I give you your user and pass to do it.  :)
04:29 <GodTodd> i'ma keep looking :)
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> getting it to build is harder, and that's work mostly I have to do
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> what you'd need to do is try to get it building from a commandline
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html  <--- the manual is pretty good
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible that we should go to cygwin for this part
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  maybe it would be better if instead of getting code::blocks under wine I try to get us building under cygwin :)
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> we already support the mingw compiler and api, since that's what code::blocks uses
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn, the build script only build source distributions
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04:47 <Durka> #hello (again)
04:47 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Mac Airways: || The cashiers, flight attendants and pilots all look the same, feel the same || and act the same. When asked questions about the flight, they reply that you || don't want to know, don't need to know and would you please return to your || seat and watch the movie.
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got code::blocks building the game under wine
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> building the 0.2.8 branch
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, now, has anybody built 0.2.8 in windows recently?
04:53 <GodTodd> umm no?
04:53 <arctanx> how many windows users can be bothered building? :P
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> I just want to know if it can be done, and I'm talking about the head of the 0.2.8 branch, not a current release :)
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should try to build a current release?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, doesn't look like we've released off the 0.2.8 branch since before the svn switch
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05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely don't feel like digging into that mess
05:01  * Lucifer_arma wonders if the 0.3.0 tag is good enough for this
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> here we go again, with the 0.3.0 tag
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05:27 <Lucifer_arma> sweet, wine understands .msi files
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, why does it get to eCamera and then bork?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, well, can't build the autopackage, can't get the code::blocks thing to work.  What else should I attempt and fail at?
05:43 <GodTodd> ok...got the buildbot stuff installed at least
05:43 <GodTodd> heh
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> hope that wasn't too painful (it's not painful at all in linux)
05:48 <GodTodd> not bad actually
05:48 <GodTodd> now i'm just figuring out how to do the build manually in win
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> alright, finally went ahead and downloaded a real source tarball, which is supposed to be the sources used to build the release
05:49 <GodTodd> if i do do this it won't be on this machine, however
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't work
05:49 <spidey> #cnn bradford,tn
05:49 <armabot> spidey: Error: No such location could be found.
05:49 <spidey> can armabot get zipcodes?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm running too new a snapshot of code::blocks
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I better get the snapshot joda references on the wiki
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> let me know if you can get it to build :)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> you probably should start with a source release
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe a svn checkout will work for you where it won't work for me because you have a real command interpreter and I have whatever wine gives me
05:53  * Lucifer_arma is considering installing cygwin and using that instead
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> it would be awfully helpful if z-man-work (hi there!) were here to tell me what he used to build the last release :)
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05:54 <Your_mom_arma> not a netsplit?
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05:55 <GodTodd> so...to build...do i need to open a source file with code::blocks and compile and run it?
05:55  * GodTodd hasn't built any games from scratch before :/.
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
05:56 <GodTodd> ahhh RTFW ;)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> the version joda refers to on the wiki isn't available on the download page linked :/
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> could you guys update that page, it seems outdated, and it didnt hold my hand when i tried to build from source and failed(gave up)
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> if I had a working windows build environment, I'd be happy to help
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm on the verge of failing myself
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> mabey step by step instructions for code blocks
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to feel the pain of not having a regular windows developer to maintain shit
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> well, it kind of looked like it was building but then it spit out a bunch of errors
05:59 <arctanx> so someone needs to go through and fix errors?
05:59 <arctanx> or produce a patch or something for windows?
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05:59 <DrJoeTron> hi
06:00 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma, maybe you could answer this
06:00 <Your_mom_arma> perhaps
06:00 <DrJoeTron> since when did republica have a greatest hits album?
06:00 <DrJoeTron> didn't they have like, 1 hit?
06:01 <Your_mom_arma> if you could call it a hit at all
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> mabey its just their tourlist, anthrax relases cd's like that almost every year
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> ummm, hey guys buy our new cd so you can have 5 versions of these 10 songs
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06:05 <DrJoeTr0n> well shit
06:05 <Lucifer_arma_> are they being attacked or something?
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06:06 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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06:09 <DrJoeTr0n> WHO
06:09 <DrJoeTr0n> republica?
06:10 <DrJoeTr0n> oh right
06:10 <DrJoeTr0n> freeciv
06:12 <arctanx> haha this is the only place I've ever seen where people play freeciv
06:12 <arctanx> so cool
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06:12 <Your_mom_arma> was that a joke?
06:12 <custang> #hello
06:12 <armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: Officer: || We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. || Should I have your ship standing by? || Governor Tarkin: || Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you || overestimate their chances.
06:13 <arctanx> Your_mom_arma: nope. It looks like it's fun, I just don't know how to play it
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> no, freenode
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> is freenode being attacked and that's why their servers keep going down
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06:23 <Your_mom_arma> oms only you the bots and j0h4nn3s keep losing connection
06:23 <spidey> #g 5 minutes in seconds
06:23 <armabot> spidey: 5 minutes = 300 seconds
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, oms its everyone losing connection except me, the bots, and j0h4nn3s (hi there!) 
06:27 <custang> hey arctanx did you get my gmail??
06:27 <arctanx> custang: which one?
06:27 <custang> about the settings
06:30 <custang> ok im off to play tron bye
06:30 <custang> #goodbye
06:30 <armabot> Goodbye custang :(
06:30 <custang> :(
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06:30  * arctanx rolls his eyes
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06:32 <Your_mom_arma> hey zman
06:34 <DrJoeTr0n> get out of here custang!
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06:35 <Your_mom_arma> he already left?
06:37  * Durka wants his mom!
06:37 <Durka> _arma!
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> zman: any idea if we can build anything with a reccent code::blocks nightly?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:51  * Lucifer_arma just had an interesting idea
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6776 / (6 files in 4 dirs):
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Moved autopackage build files so "make autopackage" does not think it has
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: nothing to do.
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6777 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/WorkMakefile): More adaptions to autopackage move.
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6778 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/README.txt): Added small autopackage notes.
06:54 <zman> Lucifer_arma: No clue. I'm not using a nightly.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> what are you using?  the 1.0rc?
06:54 <zman> yes.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and it works?  heh
06:55 <zman> I'll have to upgrade, though.
06:55 <zman> yes.
06:55  * Lucifer_arma thought we had to use the nightlies for some reason
06:55 <zman> the rc's bison version is too old :(
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> well then, maybe I should install that and go with it :)
06:55 <zman> yes.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> I just want to see proof-of-concept that code::blocks can be used in wine to build with the buildbot
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, for some reason I only get the first letter of each line in the Build log tab
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> is that wine, or is it codeblocks?
07:04 <zman> with the rc? Wine, i'd say.
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> wine is so much fun sometimes :/
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> so VERSION isn't defined in the 0.2.8 branch
07:06 <zman> Isn't it set to plain "CVS"?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'd copy and paste the syntax error from the build log, but you'll only get the first character of each line
07:06 <zman> awwwww
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6779 /armagetronad/trunk/build/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6775 to 6778:
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6778 | z-man | 2007-01-11 06:54:00 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added small autopackage notes.
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6777 | z-man | 2007-01-11 06:53:47 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
07:09 <GodTodd> man...there's a lot of freakin' cpp files here ;)
07:12 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:12 <GodTodd> Linking executable: ..\debug\armagetronad.exe
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL_image.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL_mixer.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> Process terminated with status 1 (46 minutes, 54 seconds)
07:12 <GodTodd> 0 errors, 8 warnings
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> er, it didn't build sdl?
07:18 <GodTodd> appears that way
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to build all the sdl subprojects.  I thought it tracked those dependencies and built them automatically
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> but what do I know?  ;)
07:19 <GodTodd> well...that's an attempt at building 0.2.8
07:19 <GodTodd> for no other reason than i clicked on it first
07:20 <zman> You have to build the whole workspace
07:20 <GodTodd> that's what i did
07:20 <GodTodd> that's why it took 45 mins
07:20 <zman> did you call the makedist.bat?
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:21 <zman> strange, calling that and then building the whole workspace worked for me last time.
07:22 <GodTodd> well...i'm going to do a svn update and try to build the 0.3.0 branch
07:22 <zman> Good luck with that.
07:22 <GodTodd> haha
07:22 <zman> Well, at least, I built that one successfully just yesterday.
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about ready to nix the idea of using code::blocks in wine
07:23 <zman> There, you have to do something different: call update_version.bat, build in code::blocks, then call makedist.bat.
07:23  * Lucifer_arma considers cygwin instead
07:23 <zman> Lucifer_arma: cross compiling isn't quite ideal, either.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> can you call the cygwin batch file and tell it to execute a script or something?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess you missed my rant earlier.  :)
07:24 <zman> If we use cross compilers, that means the windows build files will outdate even more than they do now.
07:24 <zman> Can you give a summary ? :)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it wasn't very long
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically that we don't have a full-time windows developer right now, and it's a serious problem
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm trying to get us some sort of windows build that works
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> it was just framed differently :)
07:25 <GodTodd> ahh but windows users aren't important anyway, why worry? ;)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, cross-compiling isn't quite there for the reason you mentioned, which was why I was pursuing trying to build with our regular windows build environment in wine
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell do you get codeblocks to execute and build something from the commandline?
07:27 <zman> No clue.
07:27 <GodTodd> got me...i'm using the gui
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it just uses msys internally though, right?  So if I can get msys by itself to build, then I'm good?  errr, maybe not
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, to script it, it has to run from the command line :)
07:29 <GodTodd> spoilsport :P
07:29 <GodTodd> heh
07:30 <zman> Maybe we should ask K how he did the nightly builds he was doing?
07:32 <GodTodd> http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Code::Blocks_command_line_arguments
07:41 <GodTodd> is this the right checkout path? svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk trunk
07:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i think it is
07:47 <GodTodd> ok it's working now :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> aha
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you build it with one of the nightlies, by any chance?
07:57 <GodTodd> ummm...dunno?
07:57 <GodTodd> i suppose the answer is no because i'd probably know for sure if i had :)
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, did you install code::blocks with a self-instlaling executable?
07:59 <luke-jr> what's a good price for a volt meter?
07:59 <GodTodd> it was a while ago...but i'm sure i did
07:59 <GodTodd> luke-jr:): free
07:59 <GodTodd> :D
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: I paid $5 for mine 8 years ago
07:59 <luke-jr> ...
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> the fuse blew so I stuck some metal in there to short it and it works fine
07:59 <luke-jr> lol
07:59 <luke-jr> I imagine the fuse had a purpose :p
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> "had" a purpose
08:00 <luke-jr> unless it was "idiot-proofing"
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: the 1.0rc doesn't support the commandline argument needed to run the build from within a buildslave
08:00 <luke-jr> that doesn't count as a purpose in my books
08:01 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): hmmmm
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what it will take to get arma building with a recent nightly of codeblocks?  :/
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm giving up on doing it from within linux for now
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> that has to be how k was doing it, though
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> unless he had some other magical system he was using without mentioning it to anybody
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> a simple batch file to do it is all it would have taken thataway
08:04 <spidey> hmm
08:04 <spidey> insta kill is bad
08:04 <luke-jr> PV2?
08:04 <spidey> i've got it down to where i can do it all the time
08:05 <spidey> pv2?
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08:05 <Lucifer_arma> pre-victory 2, since he's always "about to win"
08:05 <luke-jr> PV2 is a $20 digicam :p
08:07 <luke-jr> if you build a cable...
08:07 <luke-jr> and mess w/ the firmware
08:07 <luke-jr> :o
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> which is why you need a voltmeter?
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe if the project files were updated to a recent code::blocks, it would build in linux
08:09 <luke-jr> cuz my cable doesn't appear to work
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> -------------- Build: Win32 Release in SDL ---------------
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Compiling: ..\..\SDL\VisualC\SDL\Version.rc
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 1 seconds)
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2 errors, 0 warnings
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> windres.exe: supported targets: pe-i386 pei-i386 elf32-i386 elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary 
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Usage: windres.exe [option(s)] [input-file] [output-file]
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> windres.exe: invalid option -- J
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> do we absolutely have to build sdl in windows?  Is there any reason we can't just use the binary sdl distribution?
08:29 <arctanx> spidey has insta problems! :o :P
08:29 <spidey> heh
08:29 <spidey> well
08:29 <spidey> i know how to cause a instant kill
08:30 <spidey> i can do it everytime, but it's not myfault
08:30 <spidey> the way i play, i turn so fast my bike warps on my screen
08:30 <spidey> then if someone touches my wall in that spot or while i'm warping they get instant killed :p
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> disable your cheats--problem solved!
08:31 <spidey> ...
08:31 <spidey> ok mr ~*SP*~PsYkO
08:31 <spidey> :p
08:31 <arctanx> hehe
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> he ch34ts!  h3'5 a c434t3r!
08:33 <spidey> ...
08:33 <spidey> that's not even 1337 speak
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> |= \_/ C |+ you!
08:33 <spidey> lol
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh well.  I'e seen someone spell out fuck you thataway before
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> ah, duh
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> |= \_/ C |< YOU!
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> the autopackage didn't build
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> make[6]: Entering directory `/home/share/Projects/armagetronad/build/ap-client/src/swig'
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> make[6]: *** No rule to make target `ext/armagetronad/tools/tools.i', needed by `../../src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tools_wrap.cxx'.  Stop.
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
08:37 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #15 until it finishes [7m20s]..
08:41 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-<
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-/
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-\
08:41 <Durka> :D
08:41 <spidey> armabuilder, 
08:41 <spidey> what's it do?
08:41 <arctanx> I built arma on linux the other day
08:42 <arctanx> Unfortunately I can't run it, since I can't get glx to work
08:45 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #15 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
08:45 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/15
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, armabuilder is *not* durka's toy
08:50 <Durka> wtf no!!!!
08:50 <Durka> #luke
08:50 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/  <--- armabuilder is the irc arm of this program
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:03 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:04 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:06 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #16 until it finishes [7m30s]..
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
09:06 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #14 until it finishes [3m24s]..
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-server
09:18 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-server: building(compiling) [ETA 3 seconds]
09:18 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #14 is complete: Success [build successful]
09:18 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/14
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-client
09:19 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-client: building(distchecking) [ETA 33 seconds]
09:20 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #16 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
09:20 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/16
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5*60
09:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 5 * 60 = 300
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-server
09:40 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-server: idle, last build 1306 secs ago: build successful
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
09:41 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #15 until it finishes..
09:45 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #15 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
09:45 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/15
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6780 /support/buildbot/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6781 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6782 /support/buildbot/buildslave/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
10:02 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6783 /support/buildbot/buildslave/ (Makefile buildbot.tac): Added buildslave config files
10:05 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6784 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/ (5 files): Buildbot master, where all the factories are kept
10:22 <z-man-work> That's a strange failure, it didn't even try to run the server
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10:24 <Lucifer_arma> it is running in a user account, not root, so, ummmm
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> you might checkout the buildmaster stuff I just committed and look over the buildsteps and make sure I did it right :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> I just restarted the buildmaster to use the svn checkout, even
10:25 <z-man-work> installcheck should run as a regular user.
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I can update it easily :)
10:25 <z-man-work> You don't suppose I'm using root to test stuff?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose not :)
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, now it won't build branches again for some reason
10:35 <z-man-work> Found the issue. a) You shouldn't disable all that stuff you do disable, like --disable-sysinstall.
10:36 <z-man-work> b) the tests should know that without sysinstall, old configuration migration will not work and therefore not test for it.
10:38 <z-man-work> Of course, I'll adapt the tests.
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
10:42 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #17 until it finishes..
10:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6785 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Adapted installcheck target to possible absence of sysinstall script.
10:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6786 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Reformatted the config file a bit to make it more readable
10:47 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #17 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
10:47 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/17
10:52 <z-man-work> The distcheck failure seems to be that the build system tries to remake files when it shouldn't. I'll have a look.
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> grrr.  I had it building the branch last night, but it wouldn't build the trunk.  Maybe I need to just make separate builders for the branch and the trunk.
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
11:01 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #20 until it finishes [2m25s]..
11:05 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #20 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
11:05 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/20
11:09 <Durka> #night
11:09 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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11:19 <z-man-work> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/01/seti-riaa-sues-aliens.html
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-server
11:22 <armabuilder> watching build linux-server #2 until it finishes..
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> riaa probably just looked around their offices and figured out the search for intelligence was damned important
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> is bbspot a joke site?  :)
11:24 <z-man-work> hehe
11:24 <z-man-work> One minute is not bad. Check out the mailbags.
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so, does make test actually run tests, if we had any?  i.e. is it safe to add that step and when the tests materialize they'll just get run?
11:27 <z-man-work> Make test where?
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
11:27 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #1 until it finishes..
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> as a build step
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> probably before distcheck
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> 'make test' is listed in the buildbot docs as running tests, and indicated as a gnu standard thing.  Since we use gnu automake and crap, seems like it exists in our makefiles
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, it looks like it's running the branch build now, that's good
11:28 <z-man-work> Hmm, but it fails for me.
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> so apparently I've got it building the trunk and the branch now
11:29 <z-man-work> I'm quite sure the GNU docs say "if tests exist, make test runs them"
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll check the automake docs for the test target :)
11:29 <z-man-work> I don't have a test target.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> what happens if tests don't exist, though?  Maybe we should have a "hello, world!" test :)
11:29 <z-man-work> We probably should add it and make it run installcheck for now.
11:30 <spidey> #dict pagination
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Tests.html#Tests
11:30 <armabot> spidey: wn and gcide responded: wn: pagination n : the system of numbering pages [syn: {folio}, {page number}, {paging}]; gcide: Pagination \Pag`i*na"tion\ (p[a^]j`[i^]*n[=a]"sh[u^]n), n. The act or process of paging a book; also, the characters used in numbering the pages; page number. --Lowndes. [1913 Webster]
11:30  * spidey pokes armabot
11:31 <z-man-work> WTF? Exit status 77?
11:32 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-server #2 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:32 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/2
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> distcheck is failing for a stupid reason, I think
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/2/step-Distcheck/0
11:34 <z-man-work> I'd say so, too.
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> installcheck passed, at least :)
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
11:34 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #1 until it finishes..
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I"m already watching it
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's off 0.2.8
11:35 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:35 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/1
11:35 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:35 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/1
11:39 <z-man-work> What's that for a stupid reason not to support something?
11:39  * z-man-work is off for lunch
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> ?  *confused*
11:41 <z-man-work> The build log:
11:41 <z-man-work> svn: Path '..' ends in '..', which is unsupported for this operation
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I thought it was a stupid reason for the check to fail because afaik, it's buildbot doing that stuff
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's not, maybe we've got a real mistake to fix :)
11:44 <z-man-work> It's not, it's something make distcheck does.
11:44 <z-man-work> I can't explain why that didn't fail before, the path always ends with .. there.
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> svn version, maybe?
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> dave@localhost:~$ svn --version
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma>    compiled Aug  2 2006, 13:51:17
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> I went to the buildslave's actual checkout and ran make distcheck, but I had to configure first, and then it decided to rebuild the whole damn thing
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not a buildbot problem, though, I won't worry about it right now.  I'm trying to get buildbot to actually give us the right errors/warnings :)
11:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6787 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Replaced appending .. with call to dirname. Doesn't work in all situations, but the result doesn't matter much anyway.
11:47 <z-man-work> It's not a buildbot problem :)
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:58  * Lucifer_arma just hopes the buildbot will be able to find this kind of stuff in the long term
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> haha, you triggered a build with that
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> you can ignore the broken thing that's there for now, I suspect the build broke because I was in there doing make distcheck and the two collided
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> permissions are all screwed up, so it can't delete the old stuff when it does something :/
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, oops
12:07 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6788 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/NEWS: spurious commit
12:08 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6789 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/NEWS: spurious commit
12:11 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6790 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/ (buildbot.tac master.cfg support/ support/__init__.py): Adding module for buildbot config
12:12 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6791 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/support/svnparser.py: Added svnparser file
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12:20 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6792 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/support/svnparser.py: Added test to svnparser function to make sure it aactually parses like it should
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's interesting
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was half expecting iceman to post with "What do you guys think I am, some kind of nut?"
12:30 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6793 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Another spurious commit
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12:34 <z-man-work> south america, hmm.
12:34 <z-man-work> I'd like to imagine he's enjoing a cold drink on a hot beach :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that sounds nice :)
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> why the server build, but not the client?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it's just building over and over!  oops
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> I guess my svn file split function works now
12:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6794 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Readjusted settings to a 10 minute poll and stable interval
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> why does make distcheck rebuild the whole thing?  has it always done this?
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
12:49 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop
12:49 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop linux-server I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!
12:50 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> sorry, no build is currently running
12:52 <z-man-work> Yes, distcheck has to rebuild everything. It's basically "make dist; untar; cd result; ./configure; make"
12:52 <z-man-work> oh, and "make dist; compare new result with original"
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok.  So again, no buildbot problem :)
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I say buildbot is working fine now.  I'd like to see a trunk build triggered, though.
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> and a hello world test program added so I can add make test, but that's no big deal yet.  :)
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
12:54 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #5 until it finishes..
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> but the branch builds I triggered appear to be running fine, so just need a trunk build triggered to see that it runs fine
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> no armabot messages now?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
12:56 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6795 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Another spurious commit
12:56 <armabot> pong
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> I like that the waterfall tells you which revision it built, too
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> so if somebody else breaks the build, you can go down and find the last good build and check that out and keep working
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> probably can't commit until the build is fixed, in that case
12:59 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #5 is complete: Success [build successful]
12:59 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/5
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now let's see the trunk commit trigger a build and have it be successful :)
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13:01 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, the standing rule is to build with CODELEVEL=3 or something like that, but I set the buildbot up to not do that yet
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> any reason I shouldn't add that?
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, neat.  It looks like the trunk build is triggered, now it just wants to see the stable tree interval pass before it builds
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13:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6796 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated MacOS build instructions
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that change triggered a build too
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll set the interval to more like 2 hours
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*60*60
13:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2 * 60 * 60 = 7,200
13:24 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6797 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Set poll interval to 2 hours and removed what are hopefully spurious schedulers
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: trunk still fails make distcheck :)
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6798 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated MacOS build instructions (forgot to add in SWIG)
13:27 <z-man-work> of course. I need to merge the fixes and can't do it from here
13:27 <z-man-work> I'll be home in some minutes.
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> no biggee.  I'm just showing off my new toy is all.  :)
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13:35 <Lucifer_arma> hi dave
13:35 <dave> hi
13:36 <dave> 1st time here what r the commands?
13:36 <dave> or where can i find them?
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> same as in arma
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> you're not iceman by any chance, are you?
13:38 <dave> no I'm not sorry
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-server
13:40 <armabuilder> watching build linux-server #9 until it finishes [19 seconds]..
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
13:40 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #7 until it finishes [4m23s]..
13:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-server #9 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
13:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/9
13:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #7 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
13:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/7
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14:10 <zman> # another spurious commit, hope this doesn't cause a conflict with the one in 0.2.8
14:10 <zman> it did :)
14:15 <arctanx> have you guys broken cvs arma or something
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6799 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: (log message trimmed)
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6778 to 6798:
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6787 | z-man | 2007-01-11 11:47:03 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  Replaced appending .. with call to dirname. Doesn't work in all situations, but the result doesn't matter much anyway.
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6785 | z-man | 2007-01-11 10:43:47 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6800 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual): fingerprint now also supports svk and has a safe fallback.
14:23 <zman> arctanx: no, not really.
14:23 <zman> at least, not recently.
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6801 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual:
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6798 to 6800:
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6800 | z-man | 2007-01-11 14:23:34 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  fingerprint now also supports svk and has a safe fallback.
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:25 <zman> We're in a "Lucifer installed an automatic build bot and we're fixing all the bugs that have accumulated" frenzy.
14:26  * spidey just wrote a 60 line php script that's nothing more than a waste of desktop space >.<
14:27 <spidey> maybe not
14:27 <spidey> 1 bug caused 13 errors o.o
14:27 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/test.php   :D
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> #night
14:29 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'll check the waterfall when I wake up and see how it went :)
14:46 <spidey> #g 1906 - 1827
14:46 <armabot> spidey: 1,906 - 1,827 = 79
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14:48 <H_A_K> hi all
14:49 <spidey> hi
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14:49 <spidey> o.O
14:56 <spidey> #dict depict
14:56 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Depict \De*pict"\ (d[-e]*p[i^]kt"), p. p. [L. depictus, p. p. of depingere to depict; de- + pingere to paint. See {Paint}, and cf. {Depaint}, p. p.] Depicted. --Lydgate. [1913 Webster]; wn: depict v 1: show in, or as in, a picture; "This scene depicts country life"; "the face of the child is rendered with much tenderness in this painting" (4 more messages)
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15:34 <spidey> hey it's that one guy...
15:35 <DarkStar> hey it's that thing....
15:36 <spidey> :p
15:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6802 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed warinigs of "find".
15:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6803 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: Fixed stuff. I hope. I don't know half of the batch file stuff used here. I don't know what external change triggered the failures.
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6804 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am): Prevent automake from wanting to rebuild aa_config.h.in in a distrubution build.
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6805 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Beautified? Some invisible whitespace must have changed.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6806 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Added vParser.cpp to the distribution files so our users don't need GNU Bison 2.2.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6807 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am): Added SWIG interface files to the distribution.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6808 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Added missing header files to distribution.
15:50 <DarkStar> #ping
15:50 <armabot> pong
15:50 <DarkStar> so i'm still there ><
15:50 <spidey> are not
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6809 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (Makefile.am Makefile.manual):
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6800 to 6803:
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6802 | z-man | 2007-01-11 15:46:51 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed warinigs of "find".
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6810 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am):
15:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6811 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Worked around false GCC warnings about unitialized variables. Bah.
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6812 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/ (8 files):
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed profile compile target, it was useless.
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Set all projects to compile debug and release binaries.
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16:01 <z-manuel> #later
16:02 <spidey> lol
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16:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/HIM/rubber/pwn-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by HIM
16:08 <DarkStar> him...
16:08 <DarkStar> isn't that a band?
16:09 <spidey> what?
16:09 <DarkStar> you know...
16:09 <DarkStar> music...
16:09 <spidey> what's music?
16:18 <k3nNy> xD
16:18 <k3nNy> you never listen to music spidey?
16:18 <spidey> lmao
16:19 <GodTodd> music hasn't made it to backwoods tennessee yet ;)
16:20 <k3nNy> heh
16:21 <spidey> .......
16:21 <k3nNy> strong words :)
16:24 <spidey> If you fire burst shots with an assault rifle, you'll greatly increase accuracy and range.
16:32 <spidey> we have the httaccess files loaded up and they are still getting in, where or what else do we need?
16:32 <spidey> "rename _.htaccess to .htaccess"
16:32 <spidey> >.<
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6813 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am): Added generated wrappers to distribution. I thought this was automatic. Anyway, "make distcheck" should now work.
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: help
16:50 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: commands
16:50 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: help force
16:50 <armabuilder> Usage: force build <which> <reason> - Force a build
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: list
16:50 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: list builders
16:50 <armabuilder> Configured builders: linux-client linux-server 
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: status
16:51 <armabuilder> linux-client: idle, last build 11383 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:51 <armabuilder> linux-server: idle, last build 6290 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: hello
16:51 <armabuilder> yes?
16:51 <z-man> grr
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: source
16:51 <armabuilder> My source can be found at http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: watch
16:51 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: watch linux-client
16:52 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: last
16:52 <armabuilder> last build [linux-client]: 11459 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:52 <armabuilder> last build [linux-server]: 6367 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: help commands
16:53 <armabuilder> Usage: commands - List available commands
16:53 <z-man> #chatlogs
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16:57 <z-man> #last with davefancella
16:57 <armabot> z-man: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
16:57 <z-man> #last --with davefancella
16:57 <armabot> z-man: [17:04:28] <z-man> #last with davefancella
16:57 <z-man> #last --with davefancella --nolimit
16:57 <armabot> z-man: [17:04:36] <z-man> #last --with davefancella, [17:04:28] <z-man> #last with davefancella, [13:49:00] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/7, [13:48:36] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/9, [13:06:31] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux- (4 more messages)
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17:01 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client
17:01 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
17:02 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client Isn't 'because I say so' enough?
17:02 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.ValueError
17:02 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client testing distcheck
17:02 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
17:03 <z-man> armabuilder: force build linux-client testing distcheck
17:03 <armabuilder> build forced [ETA 16m08s]
17:03 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6815 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: Grr. Made it so that the format of MAJOR_VERSION always is right.
17:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6816 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (network/nNetwork.cpp win32/config_common.h): Only nNetwork.cpp now includes version.h. No more full rebuilds!
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6817 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ (ArmagetronAd.cbp Dedicated.cbp Master.cbp): Disabled profile target.
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6818 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.workspace: Changed project order so whole workspace building works out of the box.
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17:22 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #8 is complete: Success [build successful]
17:22 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/8
17:23 <spidey> #g 125(10 + 10^2) /1024
17:23 <armabot> spidey: (125 * (10 + (10^2))) / 1,024 = 13.4277344
17:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ping
17:40 <spidey> actually nvm, i'll figure it out when i get home :D
17:43 <wrtlprnft> phew
17:43 <wrtlprnft> don't need to update my server's kernel
18:01 <spidey> heh
18:02 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
18:02 <spidey> is there a way i can strip a string of characters from a page with php?
18:03 <wrtlprnft> $the_string = '';
18:03 <wrtlprnft> that's how you strip the string of all characters
18:03 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/test/?ip=72.232.225.66&port=23074&game=Soldat&block=0
18:03 <spidey> i'm looking to striip those 3 lines
18:04 <spidey> because i can't  find where the var/function is in the script
18:04 <spidey> i'm guessing that data comes stright from the soldat server :/
18:04 <spidey> ok i gotta go test now :D
18:04 <wrtlprnft> i won't even know what you want to strip
18:04 <spidey> New Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Ty
18:04 <spidey> New Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:Alpha
18:04 <spidey> that
18:07 <wrtlprnft> i don't know in what format you have the data :P
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18:12 <epsy> hi :)
18:13 <wrtlprnft> hi
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12:07 <z-man> Yay! Got a running armagetronad_dedicated.exe with wine.
12:07 <z-man> Only, it's not listening to keyboard input or network messages.
12:18 <k3nNy> :)
12:19 <k3nNy> i used to try like all games with wine too :)
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> building with codeblocks under wine, you mean?  Or just running a windows executable under wine?
12:24  * Lucifer_arma points out it is possible he somehow managed to get an assembler installed that was incompatible with the c compiler being used by his wine/codeblocks installation
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, is building with codeblocks under wine to be considered equivalent to building natively in windows?
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: any idea why your buildslave is connecting and disconnecting approximately every 20 minutes?
12:28 <z-man> Building with codeblocks under wine
12:28 <z-man> Only two things don't work:
12:29 <z-man> the output. I also only get the first character of the build log. The build message window is fine.
12:29 <z-man> Windres.exe can't handle anything. I had to remove the resource files from the project to get anywhere.
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> dave@localhost:/home/share/programs/buildbot-0.7.5/testslave$ wine --version
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> Wine 0.9.20
12:30 <z-man> and yes, if everything works, I'd consider it equivalent.
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> I had the same problem with windres.exe.  It is, unfortunately, what puts the icon in the execcutable
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, testing the binary under genuine windows is needed.  :)
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> Alternately, a diff of a release binary and a build binary built with the same versions of everything might be interesting
12:30 <z-man> for full releases, yes, obviously.
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12:31 <z-man> My wine is 0.9.22
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> wine is such a neat project
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> were you using a recent codeblocks nightly?
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because sometime after the 1.0rc, they added this stuff:
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> Usage: codeblocks [-h] [-ns] [-d] [-nc] [--prefix <str>] [-p <str>] [--profile <str>] [--rebuild] [--build] [--target <str>] [--no-batch-window-close] [--batch-build-notify] [filename(s)...]
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> which is what we need to run a buildslave
12:33 <z-man> I know. But my regular builds on real Windows are done with the rc, so that's what I installed in Wine for now.
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> right.  always use what you know works somewheres else first.  :)
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> so I should probably blow out my mingw and codeblocks installations from wine and start over
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm going to keep chasing that dog.  I've become more interested in using codeblocks to cross-compile.  The cross-compiler is the same target and gcc versions as the stable mingw and msys release
12:35 <custang> bye
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> so it should theoretically produce executables that are identical to codeblocks running natively in windows
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12:37 <Lucifer_arma> umm, also, we should really think about converting the batch files to python scripts
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> from the developer's point of view, there's no difference.  Install python and run these scripts.  But it should make it easier for us to maintain windows building from linux
12:42 <z-man> right, definitely. I had a hard time yesterday getting update_version.bat to work
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> wow, it appears to be cross-compiling the dedicated server
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> umm, where does it put the binary when it's done building?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> hm
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that cross-compiling with codeblocks is a viable solution now
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to change the compiler in every project file.  :/
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13:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
13:59 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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14:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
14:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6838 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Disabled multithreaded network reads.
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14:57 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6839 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Updating MacOS project
14:59 <[dlh]> armabuilder: commands
14:59 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
15:00 <[dlh]> armabuilder: help force
15:00 <armabuilder> Usage: force build <which> <reason> - Force a build
15:00 <[dlh]> armabuilder: force build macosx-client do it
15:00 <armabuilder> build forced [ETA 2m27s]
15:00 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
15:03 <armabuilder> Hey! build macosx-client #11 is complete: Success [build successful]
15:03 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/11
15:03 <[dlh]> hmm, my bot keeps disconnecting/connecting… maybe there is a setting or something.
15:04 <[dlh]> my slave*
15:05 <madmax|pt> exit
15:05 <madmax|pt> er
15:07 <spidey> http://i2.neoseeker.com/neo_image/139827/article/nvslitesting/slipiece.jpg
15:07 <spidey> SLI ram?
15:10 <Compn> doesnt look like ram
15:10 <Compn> no memory chips on it
15:10 <Compn> ;p
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15:47 <spidey> #g $15 / 2112gb/month
15:47 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6840 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/Armagetron.cbp: Removed optimization from debug build.
15:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6841 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Added armagetronad-0.3_alpha6838.macosx.dmg
15:56 <armabot>  Executed 'test'
15:56 <[dlh]> w00t, my automatic release worked (so it seems)
16:00 <[dlh]> now only if beta.armagetronad.net would update, so I could see if it worked (stares at luke-jr)
16:01 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6842 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Rakefile: Added tasks to deploy a release to beta.armagetronad.net
16:02 <luke-jr> [dlh]: why are you staring at me? wrtl runs armabot
16:03 <[dlh]> Is it still updating automatically, or does it need manual intervention?
16:03 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: 
16:05 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6843 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Rakefile: Update releases.php before messing with it
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6844 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Added release:deploy step to automatically upload to beta.armagetronad.net
16:11 <[dlh]> armabuilder: help watch
16:11 <armabuilder> Usage: watch <which> - announce the completion of an active build
16:11 <[dlh]> armabuilder: watch macosx-client
16:11 <armabuilder> watching build macosx-client #13 until it finishes [0 seconds]..
16:12 <[dlh]> Lucifer_arma: can you update the config for the buildbot?
16:18 <spidey> #g 800kbps in kb/s
16:18 <armabot> spidey: 800 kbps = 800 kilobits / second
16:19 <spidey> that's not what i wanted >.<
16:19 <spidey> #g 800 kbits/s in kb/s
16:19 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:19 <spidey> 'er
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16:27 <armabuilder> Hey! build macosx-client #13 is complete: Success [build successful]
16:27 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/13
16:28 <madmax|pt> [dlh]: should ruby be in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced/current/ruby ?
16:28 <[dlh]> oops, I need to do another release of the frameworks -- I moved it there yesterday.
16:28 <madmax|pt> ah
16:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6845 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added /Library/…/include/ruby to Header search path.
16:34 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6846 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: You no longer need a separate ruby installed to $HOME/Library/ruby/1.8 -- everything should be self-contained in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced/current
16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6847 / (/ support/svnmerge/commit): Fixed typo
16:40 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: dunno exactly where it fails
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #showhandlers
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16:41 <wrtlprnft> #list CIA
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, armabotupdater, wikiupdater, test, aabetaupdate, wormuxnotify
16:41 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: I updated http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/libs/
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '', Performs action of type: '', On channel: , Details: 
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
16:42 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate www/beta cmd 'ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net'
16:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
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16:45 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate www/beta cmd 'ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net'
16:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: try now
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6848 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: blah, test commit.
16:47 <armabot>  Executed 'test'
16:48 <[dlh]> hmm, didn't do it — right?
16:51 <wrtlprnft> test? o_O
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #describe test
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: test: Matches on 'aabeta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad
16:52 <wrtlprnft> it's doing something…
16:52 <wrtlprnft> did it update?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> executed the command manually
16:53 <[dlh]> no, aabeta still isn't updated
16:54 <wrtlprnft> then it's luke-jr's fault
16:59 <[dlh]> there it goes, finally...
17:00 <madmax|pt> sooo... that first menu is in ruby?
17:01 <[dlh]> yes, I should probably disable that…
17:02 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft: i think sumo bar is broken o_O
17:02 <madmax|pt> "Map load failure"
17:03 <wrtlprnft> sec
17:03 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: you got it built?
17:03 <madmax|pt> yeah it works
17:03 <[dlh]> okay :)
17:04 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: works fine for me
17:04 <wrtlprnft> it's a default map, anyways
17:04 <madmax|pt> hm, it doesnt work, but on trunk
17:05 <madmax|pt> on .2.8 is ok
17:05 <madmax|pt> "Root node is not of type 'Resource' but 'World'"
17:06 <wrtlprnft> let me update my client then
17:06 <[dlh]> I get the same thing with trunk.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> do other sumo maps work?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> probably my fault
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17:06 <madmax|pt> team sumo works
17:06 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:06 <wrtlprnft> does the default fortress map work?
17:07 <madmax|pt> cafe yes
17:08 <wrtlprnft> weird
17:08 <wrtlprnft> let me compile the latest rev
17:10 <z-man> Is this Windows + a map using vValues?
17:11 <z-man> That
17:11 <z-man> That's currently broken.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> how can a map use vValues?
17:12 <z-man> Don't ask me. Can it?
17:13 <z-man> Triggering vValue use would be enough.
17:13 <z-man> All I know is that vValue parsing does not work at all currently in Windows.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> does your sumo map use vValues? ;)
17:15 <z-man> Mine? certainliy not.
17:15 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:15 <wrtlprnft> the problem is a dtd one :s
17:19 <wrtlprnft> i don't understand sortresources.py, it seems to ignore those special comments
17:19 <wrtlprnft> in DTDs
17:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: Lucifer_arma: does one of you know how i can get sortresources.py to put a dtd in the right spot?
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17:28 <epsy> hi
17:28 <madmax|pt> hi
17:28 <epsy> ehm, is htere an option for hud_map gb color or i should just hack it?
17:29 <epsy> *bg color
17:30 <wrtlprnft> epsy: edit the cockpit file
17:30 <epsy> it's in k
17:30 <epsy> the map behaviour?
17:30 <epsy> ah
17:30 <epsy> i remmeber these screenshots
17:30 <epsy> :)
17:30 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:31 <wrtlprnft> and wtf is edge
17:31 <epsy> ..
17:31 <epsy> err
17:31 <epsy> cant find a link for that
17:31 <epsy> ...
17:31 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge
17:31 <wrtlprnft> which one?
17:32 <epsy> none of them...
17:32 <epsy> maybe...
17:33 <epsy> *edje
17:33 <epsy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Foundation_Libraries#Edje
17:33 <epsy> the desc isn't really complete but it's the most...
17:34 <madmax|pt> Do AIs read how much rubber the player still has and play according to that?
17:35 <epsy> yeah, see what happens when you set rubber on 0...
17:35 <epsy> they turn when rubber is approaching from the max value...
17:37 <madmax|pt> hm, im saying that... for instance, if you have only 2 rubber left to spend, and the AI that is closing your wall has 10 for example, he only grinds about 2 and that will still kill you
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17:48 <z-man> madmax|pt: no, they're not that clever.
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17:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no clue how sortresources works
17:49 <z-man> err, I should have a clue, I guess.
17:49 <z-man> what is the problem?
17:50 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nothing has changed on my end of the aabeta updating-- last I checked, there was a specific user for armabot
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17:51 <luke-jr> z-man: [16:22:55] <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: Lucifer_arma: does one of you know how i can get sortresources.py to put a dtd in the right spot?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, there's a resource.dtd in resource/proto
17:51 <wrtlprnft> i want it to be both resource-0.3.1-a.dtd and resource.dtd in the end
17:52 <wrtlprnft> *in resource/included
17:53 <luke-jr> erm
17:53 <luke-jr> there should never be a 'resource.dtd'
17:53 <wrtlprnft> there is a map.dtd
17:53 <wrtlprnft> and a cockpit.dtd, for that matter
17:53 <luke-jr> only in Svn builds
17:54 <wrtlprnft> we're talking about svn builds here
17:54  * luke-jr took 'in the end' to mean a release
17:54 <wrtlprnft> in the end == after “make”
17:55  * luke-jr suspects sortresources can't do it
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18:10 <[dlh]_> grrr, buildbot is doing a full rebuild every time.
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18:15 <luke-jr> so what?
18:15 <luke-jr> our builds aren't *that* bad
18:15 <luke-jr> it's not like KDE or such
18:16 <deja_vu> hey luke-jr :)
18:16 <luke-jr> what
18:16 <deja_vu> hello. :P
18:17 <luke-jr> hi
18:17 <luke-jr> you use Gentoo?
18:18 <deja_vu> debian
18:18 <luke-jr> o
18:18 <luke-jr> lame
18:18 <luke-jr> :p
18:18 <deja_vu> :P
18:18 <luke-jr> need people to test out the armagetronad-live pkg
18:18 <luke-jr> it builds from Svn
18:18 <deja_vu> maybe i would give it a try if i had more time ;)
18:23 <epsy> luke-jr, ?
18:23 <luke-jr> epsy: you're already a tester :p
18:23 <epsy> :P
18:23 <luke-jr> epsy: btw, does it update nicely?
18:23 <epsy> ..
18:23 <luke-jr> should show up whenever you do -u worl
18:23 <luke-jr> should show up whenever you do -u world
18:24 <epsy> damn i didn't upgraded since i installed gentoo lol
18:30 <epsy> Calculating world dependencies |
18:30 <epsy> ...
18:30 <epsy> zzz
18:34 <luke-jr> ROFL
18:34 <luke-jr> you should probably do it in 3 steps then XD
18:34 <spidey> OMGLUKESUX!!!
18:34 <luke-jr> -u world
18:34 <luke-jr> -uD world
18:34 <luke-jr> -uDN world
18:35 <epsy> of course is used that :P
18:35 <epsy> *i used
18:35 <epsy> it's in list...
18:36 <epsy> lol 7 blocks...
18:36 <luke-jr> epsy: used that?
18:38 <epsy> ?
18:38 <epsy> yeah i used emerge -DuNp
18:48 <epsy> k i'm upgrading, cmon tron players :P
18:49 <epsy> no i'm not ready for that sort of upgrade... :P
19:09 <spidey> #night
19:09 <armabot> Good night spidey!
19:21 <epsy> *grmmm
19:21 <epsy> nothing to do with arma, but...
19:22 <epsy> how i order results by a column that i dont select in mysql?
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19:24 <z-man> wrtlprnft: all you have to do is give cockpit.dtd a proper version in the line with
19:24 <z-man> <!-- version="bl" -->
19:24 <z-man> whoops
19:25 <z-man> without the bl, of course
19:25 <z-man> like: <!-- version="0.3.1" -->
19:25 <epsy> will better see for my question in #mysql ;)
19:25 <z-man> and the script will sort it into the right place, and I think on release (don't ask me where) all the resources referencing the nameless dtd will get adapted.
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19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> identify me
19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> errr dammit
19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> good that this is not my nickserv password :P
19:35 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, no more bitlbee?
19:35 <[CH]DarkStar> it is my bitlbee password :P
19:35 <[CH]DarkStar> just typed into the wrong window
19:36 <z-man> your password is "identify me"????
19:36 <z-man> Why not 123456?
19:37 <epsy> ><[CH]DarkStar> it is my bitlbee password :P
19:37 <epsy> cool, i can havze you in my jabber roster...
19:37 <epsy> :P
19:53 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, still not in bitlbee... :/
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20:02 <luke-jr> z-man: I think wrtl wants it to have 2 filenames in the included path
20:05 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: jabber is not working for some reason
20:05 <z-man> It will have. It will be plain cockpit.dtd and AATeam/cockpit-0.3.1.dtd
20:05 <z-man> of ocurse, the first one won't be distributed in the tarball.
20:07 <epsy> k
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20:16 <luke-jr> z-man: would you take part in a rewrite once it reached a playable level?
20:17  * luke-jr thinks that would take under a year
20:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6849 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/package.mask: mention keywording
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that's what I already have
20:34 <wrtlprnft> copied from the map dtd
20:34 <wrtlprnft> <!-- version="0.3.1-a" -->
20:34 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
20:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, anyone know how i would strip the last ~10 minutes of sound out of a .avi, preferably .ogg?
20:37 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yeah, in resource.dtd. And it creates included/AATeam/resource-0.3.1-a.dtd. At least for me.
20:37 <z-man> but cockpit.dtd has no version set. Should the script ignore it?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:37 <wrtlprnft> cockpit.dtd is fine, I think
20:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, there's the problem
20:38 <wrtlprnft> if map.dtd gets put into /AATeam and /, I have no way to reference resource.dtd
20:38 <wrtlprnft> as the path will be relative to that file
20:39 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
20:39 <z-man> luke-jr: no to the second question. I've got the overlay installed, but ran out of time figuring out how to emerge
20:39 <z-man> wrtlprnft: probably the best thing would be to also put the unversioned dtds into AATeam, then?
20:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nothign should be in /
20:40 <wrtlprnft> then you'd need to put all of them there
20:41 <wrtlprnft> + it wouldn't work to copy a DTD to your own subdir for modification
20:41 <wrtlprnft> like the pig hack
20:41 <luke-jr> why aren't DTDs in XML?
20:41 <luke-jr> then we should wrap em in a resource tag
20:41 <luke-jr> :p
20:41 <z-man> Err.
20:42 <z-man> wrtlprnft: so the only way to make everything work is put the dtd's in /?
20:42 <luke-jr> maybe we should just require our DTDs to have the regular <Resource ... /> in a comment
20:42 <luke-jr> almost like we do right now
20:42 <z-man> and that would help us... how?
20:42 <luke-jr> clearly specified category?
20:42 <luke-jr> and author
20:43 <z-man> Actually, what does pig's hack do with the dtds?
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, the alternative would be to tell libxml2 to look for referenced DTDs in the root dir no matter where the referencing DTD was
20:43 <luke-jr> z-man: it's not in AATeam author
20:44 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: DTDs reference each other?
20:45 <luke-jr> ah
20:45 <luke-jr>     SYSTEM "resource.dtd">
20:45 <luke-jr> why not put
20:45 <luke-jr>     SYSTEM "/AATeam/resource.dtd">
20:45 <wrtlprnft> i doubt the leading slash would work
20:45 <wrtlprnft> but i'll try.
20:45 <luke-jr> it should
20:45 <luke-jr> well
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20:46 <luke-jr> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd">
20:47 <luke-jr> drop the leading /
20:47 <luke-jr> relative references shouldn't work
20:47 <luke-jr> they all start at the root
20:47 <wrtlprnft> i already said why this doesn't work
20:47 <wrtlprnft> if the map is in AATeam/map-xyz.dtd it will look in AATeam/
20:48 <luke-jr> so?
20:48 <wrtlprnft> err, i meant AATeam/AATeam/
20:48 <luke-jr> no
20:48 <luke-jr> all references begin at the root level
20:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i noticed
20:48 <wrtlprnft> i could swear i tried this and it didn't work back when i did it
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6850 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/map.dtd: Fixed load error for the sumo map
20:49 <luke-jr> maybe you had an outdated libxml?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> might be
20:50 <luke-jr> there are some libxml2 versions that we permit compiling against, but don't fully work
20:50 <luke-jr> DTD references is where they don't work
20:50 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess they won't work anymore then
20:50 <luke-jr> ok :p
20:50 <luke-jr> that should be plenty fine by now
20:51 <luke-jr> there's been plenty of time for the various OS to include a recent libxml2
20:51 <luke-jr> maybe we should change the code/configure script to disallow the older one?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> do that
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20:51 <wrtlprnft> i don't know which ones should be disallowed :P
20:51 <ghableska> hello :)
20:52 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: trunk only?
20:53 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 17.2°F (1:52 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa. 
20:53 <madmax|pt> hi ghab
20:54 <ghableska> hi max
20:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: yeah
20:54 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8 doesn't have a resource.dtd
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i only invented it because I thought it might be useful in the future
20:56 <luke-jr> so?
20:56 <luke-jr> they still will try to use the new DTDs...
20:56 <wrtlprnft> true
20:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6851 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: preliminary error-on-old-libxml2 (pre 2.6.11)
20:58 <wrtlprnft> err
20:58 <wrtlprnft> why didn't you commit it to 0.2.8?
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20:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6852 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): libxml2 2.6.11 is required (was 2.6.12) according to http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6362386
20:59 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you said not to? and trunk needs it either way?
21:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6853 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files): libxml2 2.6.11 is required (was 2.6.12) according to http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6362386
21:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no, do it. your argument was valid :P
21:02 <madmax|pt> kiwi clan o_O
21:02 <wrtlprnft> you should have ONLY done it there, z-man would have merged it sooner or later
21:03 <wrtlprnft> now where's the banana clan?
21:03 <luke-jr> oh well
21:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6854 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: preliminary error-on-old-libxml2 (pre 2.6.11)
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21:13 <ghableska> hi Van-hayes
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21:13 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
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21:24 <Arma593> hi how do i set a member to admin in IPB?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> what's IBP?
21:27 <ghableska> Invasive blood pressure?
21:28 <luke-jr> #cyborg IPB
21:28 <armabot> luke-jr: I.P.B.: Individual Programmed for Battle
21:28 <luke-jr> hm
21:28 <luke-jr> program the member for battle I guess
21:28 <Arma593> no invision power board  it's  like php
21:28 <luke-jr> except it sucks? :p
21:28 <luke-jr> well, phpBB does too, but...
21:29 <Arma593> how do i set an user to adminstrator on IPB forums?
21:29 <luke-jr> the delete key
21:29 <Arma593> eh no
21:29 <luke-jr> why don't you contact Invision tech support?
21:29 <Arma593> dont know :D
21:30 <luke-jr> who are you anyhow?
21:38 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint john
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few showers ending early this evening then cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low plus 1.; Saturday - Cloudy. A few showers in the morning. Clearing in the afternoon. Wind (1 more message)
21:38 <wrtlprnft> why are you asking us about IPB? ;)
21:38 <Vanhayes> #more
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: southwest 20 km/h becoming northwest 30 gusting to 50 in the morning. High 6 with temperature falling to minus 3 in the afternoon. Saturday night..clear. Increasing cloudiness overnight. Wind north 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low minus 10.; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. High zero.;
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21:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the resource browser isn't showing cockpits :/
21:41 <ghableska> #armservers
21:41 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:42 <Vanhayes> forgot an a ghableska 
21:42 <ghableska> ...
21:42 <ghableska> ah
21:42 <Vanhayes> tho I guess it doesnt matter
21:42 <ghableska> heh
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21:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wtf are there two DIFFERENT wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it never did
22:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6855 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/package.mask: unmask games-action/armagetronad in case Gentoo masks it
22:01 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it should :p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> write a preview script
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i don't see how the preview could show anything meaningful
22:05 <luke-jr> it doesn't need a preview?
22:05 <luke-jr> just put a fixed icon on em or smth
22:05 <wrtlprnft> then draw it
22:06 <luke-jr> lol
22:06 <wrtlprnft> and replace the image
22:06 <luke-jr> besides, a preview could work fine
22:06 <luke-jr> just to show general layout
22:06 <wrtlprnft> that's worthless
22:07 <luke-jr> not really
22:07 <luke-jr> it shows the diff between yours and original :p
22:07 <luke-jr> and shows which are bare, which are bloated
22:07 <wrtlprnft> no.
22:07 <luke-jr> which have a single viewport, which have many
22:07 <wrtlprnft> you can toggle gauges
22:08 <luke-jr> you can animate images :p
22:08 <wrtlprnft> eek.
22:11 <luke-jr> lol
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22:31 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.7°F (3:27 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa. 
22:31 <ghableska> -_-
22:32 <Vanhayes> #g 16.7 F in C
22:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: 16.7 degrees Fahrenheit = -8.5 degrees Celsius
22:33 <Vanhayes> #g 6.8 F in C
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: 6.8 degrees Fahrenheit = -14 degrees Celsius
22:33 <Vanhayes> chilly
22:33 <ghableska> yeah
22:33 <Vanhayes> It was like that here yesturday
22:33 <Vanhayes> and of courde not a cloud in the sky, so no snow
22:33 <ghableska> it's supposed to snow quite a bit tomorrow
22:33 <Vanhayes> course*
22:33 <Vanhayes> lucky
22:33 <ghableska> :P
22:33 <ghableska> I thought you got all the snow you wanted...
22:34 <Vanhayes> nah I want bout 3 meters, and have it last untill may
22:34 <ghableska> I wouldn't want that...
22:34 <Vanhayes> its an experiance
22:34 <ghableska> snow gets gross looking quickly
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
22:35 <armabuilder> linux-all: idle, last build 204 secs ago: build successful
22:35 <armabuilder> macosx-client: offline
22:35 <armabuilder> windows-all: offline
22:35 <Vanhayes> well, I want it to be fresh snow too
22:35 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: ping
22:35 <DrJoeTron> pong
22:35 <ghableska> like the new skin? :P
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22:36 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
22:36 <armabuilder> linux-all: idle, last build 289 secs ago: build successful
22:36 <armabuilder> macosx-client: offline
22:36 <armabuilder> windows-all: offline
22:36  * Lucifer_arma woke up to his first "trunk is broken" set of emails
22:41 <z-man> Hey, that blamelist is buggy.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:41 <z-man> I'm the only one on the osx failure blamelist :(
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed at least one of the broken builds I was notified for was for the code_blocks module.  Need to work on that...
22:41 <z-man> and I'm quite sure I didn't touch no Rakefile.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> link to the build in question?
22:42 <z-man> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/12/step-Update version/0
22:42 <z-man> resp http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/12
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> your change is in src/render/rSysdep.cpp
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that is interesting
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think you're blaming the wrong bug.  :)  The build didn't go off for some unrelated reason to the change that triggered it, and the buildbot has no way to tell the difference
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> did you get an email notification for that build to your sf email account?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/aacockpit.svg
22:45 <wrtlprnft> my drawing skills suck, i know
22:58 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes, I got two emails. One for the build I linked, and one for http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-all/builds/4
22:59 <z-man> If you want a special email of me that I actually read fast, use "moos AT thp DOT uni-koeln DOT com"
22:59 <z-man> only with .de instead of .com
23:00  * z-man suspects spam harvesters are getting smarter.
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6856 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Added windows buildslave information, only tries a svn checkout for now
23:01  * Lucifer_arma has the same suspicion
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> which is why the emailnotifiers.txt file doesn't go in svn.  :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I added you to that so you'll get notifications on all broken builds.  Don't worry, I share your pain on that list.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can filter and delete the emails that go to your sourceforge email address :)
23:03  * z-man looks forward to shouting at Luke when he appears on his first blamelist :)
23:04 <ghableska> :D
23:04 <z-man> better start practicing.
23:04 <z-man> LUKE!
23:04 <ghableska> is it luke-bashing time already?
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: what
23:04 <z-man> nothing, just practicing.
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: would you take part in a rewrite once it reached a playable level?
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
23:04 <z-man> 2. yes, see post.
23:05 <z-man> 1. Do you have a plan in the meantime?
23:06 <z-man> 1. A real answer can only be given when the rewrite is complete, obviously. Or at least once I know where it would be going.
23:06 <luke-jr> even the current code isn't "complete"
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> having thought about it and not said anything, I've reached agreement with z-man on a rewrite
23:07 <Lucifer_arma>  <exarkun> Lucifer_arma: fwiw, trac sucks and I hate it and I would never recommend using it. ;0  <--- from #twisted
23:07 <z-man> Good thing changes happen slowly here :)
23:08 <luke-jr> like I mentioned earlier, I don't think a rewrite would take more than a few months to reach a usable level
23:08 <z-man> What's your own experience with it? Your stupid alarm clock is using it, right?
23:08 <luke-jr> in the meantime, we wouldn't have released 0.4/1.0 anyway
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but I can't say I've dug in too hard on my trac installation
23:08 <z-man> And like I said, you can't give time estimates without a plan.
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> my experience so far has been very good, except that the thing runs dirt slow on my webserver
23:08 <luke-jr> and if you're not working on it, obviously the old one is still being maintained and developed on the side
23:09 <z-man> Well, you can give them, but you can't expect us to believe them.
23:09 <luke-jr> z-man: plan right now would be to implement an OO layer for it to use
23:09 <luke-jr> and from there add a network layer and the resource system
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: did he tell you yet that he wants to rewrite in C and implement his own OO layer?
23:10 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: guess.
23:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I never said that, IIRC :p
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> liar
23:10 <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:10 <luke-jr> "liar" cannot apply to anything "IIRC"
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> when it's intentionally dishonest, it's lying, no matter what acronyms you stick on the end of it
23:11 <luke-jr> it wasn't :)
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --with C
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:39] <luke-jr> "liar" cannot apply to anything "IIRC"
23:11 <z-man> Aww, stfu both :)
23:11 <luke-jr> hrm
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/C/
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: No closing quotation
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C /"
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 4383 messages.
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/"
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:18:42] <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C /"
23:11 <luke-jr> -.-
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/" --without #last
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:28] <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:12 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/" --without #last --nolimit
23:12 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:28] <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:12 <luke-jr> ...
23:12 <luke-jr> screw that
23:12 <z-man> #last --from luke-jr --with "OO" --nolimit
23:12 <armabot> z-man: [23:16:13] <luke-jr> z-man: plan right now would be to implement an OO layer for it to use, [21:35:45] <luke-jr> well, phpBB does too, but..., [20:55:33] <luke-jr> all references begin at the root level, [20:54:17] <luke-jr> they all start at the root, [18:24:19] <luke-jr> you use Gentoo?, and [18:01:04] * luke-jr took 'in the end' to mean a release
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> armabot's been restarted since that conversation, you'll have to look at a real log file to find it
23:12 <luke-jr> that's what I'm doing
23:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you talk about rewrites too much
23:13 <luke-jr> :p
23:13 <luke-jr> (or non-arma)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:13 <luke-jr> [Fri Jan 5 2007] [23:07:01] <luke-jr>   maybe we should consider a rewrite from
23:13 <luke-jr> scratch
23:13 <luke-jr> first mention of arma rewrite
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't talked about *this* rewrite since that conversation
23:13 <z-man> Where are the logs again?
23:13 <luke-jr> actually, the first one was Dec 30 :o
23:13 <luke-jr> [Sat Dec 30 2006] [20:36:19]     * luke-jr ponders rewriting it in Qt
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> #logs
23:14 <luke-jr> [Wed Jan 3 2007] [19:38:12]      * luke-jr|work ponders rewriting Arma in Qt
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rouletté, roulétte, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, (1 more message)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #chatlog
23:14 <luke-jr> I can't find it in mine :/
23:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: any idea the date?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> same date as the post in the forums?  what does it matter?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> you said C++ didn't let you add arbitrary methods and we'd have to add that feature somehow
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> and suggested C as a possibility
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> and then we argued inconclusively, as usual
--- Log closed Fri Jan 12 23:21:01 2007
--- Log opened Fri Jan 12 23:21:09 2007
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23:21 <ghableska> hi
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6857 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/repo_name: repo_name file for some GLEP
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23:30 <Lucifer_arma> alias sevenzip='wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/7-Zip/7z'
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:30 <luke-jr> ...
23:30 <luke-jr> emerge p7zip
23:31 <luke-jr> alias sevenzip=7z
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23:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.0°F (4:32 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.35 in 993.8 hPa. 
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> ToddKitchen: you kicking around?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> ddn't know there was a linux version of 7zip :(
23:36 <luke-jr> lol
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Log from 2007-01-13:
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00:07 -!- zman is now known as z-man
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00:13 <mkzelda> luke-jr: hows the live ebuild coming?
00:13 <luke-jr> mkzelda: you tell me
00:13 <mkzelda> k
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00:16 <mkzelda> its compiling so thats a good thing
00:16 <mkzelda> :D
00:18 <luke-jr> :)
00:22 <mkzelda> A file is not listed in the Manifest: '/usr/portage/local/layman/armagetron/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693-r1.ebuild'
00:22 <mkzelda> on revbump
00:22 <luke-jr> what version of portage are you using?
00:22 <mkzelda> portage-2.1.2_rc4-r8
00:22 <luke-jr> hm
00:23 <luke-jr> emerge --info > pastebin
00:23 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o emerge --info
00:23 <luke-jr> also pastebin the command & full error
00:26 <mkzelda> http://www.mkzelda.com/pastebin
00:28 <mkzelda> the r1 ebuild does not get digested
00:29 <luke-jr> Unknown host www.mkzelda.com
00:29 <mkzelda> get a better dns server
00:29 <luke-jr> :p
00:29 <mkzelda> those felt like your words :D
00:30 <luke-jr> try w/ FEATURES=-strict :)
00:31 <mkzelda> ah I already digested and am re-emerging to see if it worked after the first manual attempt
00:32 <mkzelda> did u see my error yet or u need dns?
00:33 <luke-jr> I saw it
00:33 <luke-jr> if you digest manually, you'll break your overlay ;p
00:33 <mkzelda> ya ill be okay
00:34 <luke-jr> nope
00:35 <mkzelda> oh no, they might have to amputate
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00:35 <luke-jr> layman -d armagetron && layman -ka armagetron :p
00:36 <mkzelda> ya strict works
00:36 <mkzelda> er -strict
00:36 <luke-jr> ok
00:36 <luke-jr> -strict is default, right?
00:36 <mkzelda> no
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00:37 <luke-jr> O.o
00:38 <luke-jr> guru3: poke
00:40 <[dlh]> armabuilder: force macosx-client testing automatic release
00:40 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
00:40 <[dlh]> armabuilder: force build macosx-client testing automatic release
00:40 <armabuilder> build #16 forced
00:40 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
00:40 <mkzelda> for it to pass strict you're going to have to digest the ebuild
00:42 <luke-jr> mkzelda: that breaks the overlay
00:43 <mkzelda> ya i dunno what the solution is
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00:43 <mkzelda> but asking everyone to turn off strict in the post_inst seems far fetched
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00:44 <luke-jr> hrm
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00:45 <luke-jr> ok, so I won't ask
00:45  * luke-jr makes the ebuild edit make.conf
00:45 <luke-jr> jk
00:48 <mkzelda> what breaks?
00:50 <luke-jr> ?
00:50 <luke-jr> svn update
00:50 <luke-jr> there will be conflicts in the Manifest
00:50 <luke-jr> whenever I change something
00:52 <mkzelda> the existence of the symlinks doesnt bother it tho?
00:52 <luke-jr> no
00:52 <mkzelda> just a file it knows its trying to put there right?
00:52 <luke-jr> ?
00:54 <mkzelda> But you wouldnt have to push the manifest other than the first sync... if it did digest every run
00:55 <luke-jr> ???
00:55 <mkzelda>