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Log from 2007-01-10:
--- Day changed Wed Jan 10 2007
00:04 -!- Arma926 [n=57350cbc@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:04 <Arma926> FUCKING GEEKS
00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> right.
00:05  * SuPeRTaRD nods *
00:05  * spidey agrees with SuPeRTaRD 
00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> jus look at 'em!
00:05 <Arma926> Seriously get a life.. 
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00:05 <SuPeRTaRD> right on brutha
00:06 <SuPeRTaRD> dont forget to boogie
00:06 -!- Arma2121 [n=57350cbc@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:07 <Arma2121> Are you geeks having fun at this very special chat system that helps you guys share tactics for the most fucked up geeky game in the world?
00:07 <SuPeRTaRD> what life do you think we do not get?
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> they program it here
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> we dont play it much
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> split.
00:08 <Arma2121> well
00:08 <Arma2121> its worse that you program it
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> its better that you just shut up.
00:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
00:08 <SuPeRTaRD> ^_~
00:08 -!- Arma2121 was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer_arma [(hi there!)]
00:09 <SuPeRTaRD> right on satanic brutha
00:09 <SuPeRTaRD> ^5
00:10 <SuPeRTaRD> hehe... the funny part is he has it in his nane..  i thot
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00:22 <|Sticky|> hay all
00:22 <madmax|pt> hello
00:22 <SuPeRTaRD> hiya
00:22 <|Sticky|> wooo
00:23 <|Sticky|> i claim the honour of being the first to Wiimagetron
00:24 <|Sticky|> its crap...but i think it may catch on
00:26 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
00:26 <madmax|pt> wiimagetron?
00:27 <|Sticky|> hooked up a wii controller
00:27 <|Sticky|> so directing the bike through movements
00:27 -!- wejp_ is now known as wejp
00:30 <deja_vu> good night :)
00:31 <spidey> קك
00:33 <deja_vu> yes, sleep well spidey
00:33 <deja_vu> :)
00:33 <spidey> ?
00:33 <k3nNy> lets guess
00:34 <k3nNy> was Arma2121 hyphy or legit :)
00:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> I 'spect legit
00:42 <k3nNy> hm
00:43 <k3nNy> just read the post of omega
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00:43 <k3nNy> you probably are right luci
00:45 <mkzelda> what happened there in between deja_vu saying good night and yes sleep well spidey?
00:46 <mkzelda> cause konversation didnt like it
00:47 <mkzelda> [2007-01-09 18:30:39] <deja_vu> good night :)
00:47 <mkzelda> ??<spidey> [2007-01-09 18:32:03] ?? ??
00:47 <mkzelda> [2007-01-09 18:33:53] <deja_vu> yes, sleep well spidey
00:47 <madmax|pt> that looks to me as an arab-like symbol
00:48 <mkzelda> it put my timestamp backwards
00:48 <mkzelda> and it appears right-justified instead of left-justified
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, happened to me too
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01:26 <|Sticky|> hmmm naughty legit
01:27 <|Sticky|> quite funny all the same
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01:29 <spidey> ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒v
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, cut it out
01:42 <spidey> ....
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 12*60*60
01:42 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 12 * 60 * 60 = 43,200
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01:46 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6736 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/tools/tConfiguration.i: Used SWIG's %extend directive to provide TConfItemBase#load_string
01:51 <yojimbo> helllo
01:51 <yojimbo> too drunk to play....
01:51 <Rico> hi
01:51 <luke-jr> ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
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01:52 <k3nNy> hi xD
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01:52 <Rico> #insult k3nNy
01:52 <@armabot> k3nNy - You are nothing but a dankish stack of craven warts. 
01:52 <Rico> xD
01:52 <k3nNy> :) ye yeh
01:52 <yojimbo> #insult yojimbo 
01:52 <@armabot> yojimbo - You are nothing but a beef-witted heap of dread-bolted dye. 
01:52 <k3nNy> what can u do with that bot else?
01:53 <Rico> #roulette
01:53 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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01:53 <k3nNy> LOL
01:53 <madmax|pt> ok, now irssi ate letters with the that thing * alot
01:53 <yojimbo> hehe
01:53 <Rico> lol
01:53 <k3nNy> XD
01:53 <k3nNy> so what was that good for
01:53 <luke-jr> :o
01:53 <Rico> play roulette
01:53 <Rico> ;p
01:53 <k3nNy> #roulette
01:53 <@armabot> k3nNy: *click*
01:53 <Rico> #roulette
01:53 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
01:53 <k3nNy> click?
01:53 <yojimbo> #roulette
01:53 <|Sticky|> hay all
01:53 <k3nNy> aaaaaaaaah
01:53 <@armabot> yojimbo: *click*
01:54 <Rico> *russian roulette
01:54 <madmax|pt> Although its probably Terminal.app's fault
01:54 <k3nNy> :)
01:54 <yojimbo> heya sticky
01:54 <luke-jr> ROFL
01:54 <luke-jr> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <luke-jr> wtf,,, dumb bot
01:54 <luke-jr> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <luke-jr> Rico: you do it
01:54 <k3nNy> xD
01:54 <|Sticky|> dear lord...the ladel should be banned as a danger to international peace
01:54 <luke-jr> k3nNy: empty chamber
01:54 <Rico> #uberinsult k3nNy
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <k3nNy> ?
01:54 <k3nNy> #uberinsult rico
01:54 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
01:54 <Rico> it only knows one uberinsult
01:54 <Rico> its shit
01:55 <k3nNy> hm
01:55  * Rico slaps armabot
01:55 <|Sticky|> the fall out from the ladel is quite increadable
01:55 <k3nNy> wait
01:55 <Rico> hey sticky
01:55 <k3nNy> #slap
01:55 <k3nNy> ?
01:55 <|Sticky|> Rico has got far too in to irc
01:55 <Rico> lol
01:55 <luke-jr> ladle sucks? :p
01:55 <Rico> #slap |Sticky|
01:55 <Rico> pft
01:55 <k3nNy> at least cheating does :)
01:55 <madmax|pt> |Sticky|: i like to call it "tron's soap opera", or maybe "the mighty ladle aftermath"
01:56 <k3nNy> :)
01:56 <|Sticky|> heh
01:56 <k3nNy> maybe the feedback wiki should be transferred xD
01:56 <yojimbo> i wanna start hosting a server...got 10/10mbit server in my use
01:56 <yojimbo> but im a BIT confused
01:56 <Rico> btw stick im gonna get that 7600 GT
01:56 <|Sticky|> i was almost waiting for some x players to quit after the first defeat
01:56 <|Sticky|> cool
01:57 <Rico> btw, quit what
01:57 <k3nNy> x?
01:57 <|Sticky|> the clan
01:57 <yojimbo> quit hoggin the bong foo
01:57 <yojimbo> w;P
01:57 <Rico> oh
01:57 <Rico> im assuming you aint seen my post yet
01:57 <yojimbo> harrr..
01:57 <Rico> (on any of the forums)
01:57 <|Sticky|> they way people were talking i was waiting for a "fuck this you all suck...im off"
01:57 <Rico> lol
01:58 <|Sticky|> which posts???
01:58 <Rico> www.xclan.net.tf
01:58 <Rico> read my new post in general public chat
01:58 <k3nNy> i hope i can read them too ;)
01:58 <k3nNy> oh oki
01:58 <Rico> sure kenny, its on the AA forums as well
01:58 <|Sticky|> did look...didnt notice anything big
01:58 <Rico> ehm?
01:59 <|Sticky|> ok
01:59 <|Sticky|> didnt notice that one
01:59 <Rico> http://xclan.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?p=567&sid=eee61b48e291c500d6515be16f86f86a#567
01:59 <|Sticky|> hmm
01:59 <k3nNy> too much tron is bad for life thats true
02:00 <|Sticky|> yeah i agree
02:00 <yojimbo> tron has distroyed my life
02:00 <|Sticky|> hehe
02:00 <Rico> join the club
02:00 <Rico> >_<
02:00 <yojimbo> distroned more like
02:00 <yojimbo> :P
02:00 <k3nNy> xD
02:00 <yojimbo> so, do i wanna join |x| clan?
02:00 <Rico> ll
02:01 <luke-jr> CLANS SUCK
02:01 <yojimbo> helll ya!
02:01 <Rico> heh
02:01 <|Sticky|> well mine too maby but in between work and travelling every other weekend its a bit difficult to build a life
02:01 <Rico> :P
02:01 <yojimbo> :)
02:01 <yojimbo> im unemployed atm
02:01 <Rico> im at college atm -.-
02:01 <yojimbo> takin gap year from studies
02:02 <|Sticky|> gap between which years
02:02 <|Sticky|> Rico.. thinking of uni
02:02 <Rico> nah, 1 cba, 2 cant afford it anyway
02:02 <yojimbo> did one year in uni...got bored (high of my ass)...decided to take it eeeasy
02:02 <Rico> maybe in about 5 years or so tho, asa "mature student" or whatever bs they call it
02:03 <|Sticky|> yeah... the 100mbit connections in your room REALY destroy your life
02:03 <luke-jr> college is a waste of $
02:03 <Rico> 100 mb o_O
02:03 <yojimbo> 100mbit oh yea...all i did was watch warez
02:03 <luke-jr> ... watch warez? O.o
02:03 <yojimbo> oh no...joke :P
02:03 <Rico> dang id love a 100mb over my shitty wlan
02:03 <|Sticky|> yeah a -1 ping in tron is just far too tempting
02:03 <luke-jr> um
02:04 <luke-jr> wlan doesn't *support* 100mb
02:04 <luke-jr> even for LAN
02:04 <luke-jr> and 100mb is BANDWIDTH
02:04 <luke-jr> not latency
02:04 <Rico> w/e
02:04 <luke-jr> bandwidth has no effect on ping or lag
02:04 <Rico> same thing to me
02:04 <Rico> ;p
02:04 <luke-jr> you can have 100mb and 100000 ping
02:04 <luke-jr> want that? :p
02:04 <yojimbo> its all about location and coolness right
02:04 <Rico> only if youre downloading likr 10billion things
02:04 <|Sticky|> yes but being on a backbone (like a lot of unis are) does wonders for your ping
02:05 <luke-jr> Rico: no, if it's a sattelite connection you have at least a second
02:05 <luke-jr> eg, ping 1000
02:05 <Rico> spose
02:05 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: or inet2
02:05 <Rico> even for a wlan, i get very good ping
02:05 <luke-jr> O.o
02:05 <luke-jr> but wlan maxes out at 54 mbit
02:05 <yojimbo> howbouts optical fibre
02:06 <|Sticky|> yeah peoples statements about the effects of wlan on ping are overstated
02:06 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: depends on # of users, IIRC
02:06 <Rico> on euro servers (depending on location and the server connection quality) i can get as low as 55 ping, and rarely goes above 100 unless my isps having problems
02:06 <madmax|pt> well, if its your neighbours wlan
02:06 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: that's 54mbit TOTAL, and you all time-share access
02:06 <luke-jr> Rico: how about 2020?
02:06 <|Sticky|> yeah select an unused channel
02:06 <Rico> i get good ping but its sooooo laggy
02:06 <luke-jr> BTW, I've had under 50 ping from my home...
02:07 <luke-jr> |Sticky|: I was assuming uni-provided wifi
02:07 <luke-jr> Rico: erm, ping = !lag
02:07 <luke-jr> well, ping = lag*
02:07 <|Sticky|> fiber optic is just the transmission medium...realy depends on whats on the end of it
02:07 <yojimbo> or the ping on others...might cause lag
02:07 <Rico> every time anyones ever been there, its been slidey and jumpy
02:08 <Rico> i get a very similar ping there to the one in wrtls server, but there appears a definite difference
02:08 <|Sticky|> to be fair it boggles my mind that a signal can get from my computer to america, through dozens of servers/systems and back again in 300ms
02:08 <Rico> luke, wheres 2020s server located
02:08 <luke-jr> asking speed of fibre is like asking speed of copper :p
02:09 <Rico> luke, wheres 2020s server located
02:09 <luke-jr> Rico: somewhere in europe
02:09 <Rico> lol, somewhere
02:09 <|Sticky|> that speed of light is quite fast isnt it
02:09 <luke-jr> Germany IIRC
02:09 <Rico> kk
02:09 <|Sticky|> im still trying to get a server set up on my unis servers
02:09 <|Sticky|> the computer soc game server is down at the mo tho
02:09 <Rico> hehe
02:10 <Rico> i was interested in trying a server on my wlan, see what pings would be like
02:10 <luke-jr> rofl
02:10 <Rico> but i never got round to it
02:10 <Rico> ;p
02:10 <|Sticky|> what connection you got rico??
02:11 <Rico> erm
02:11 <Rico> idk it doesnt actually say the connection speed
02:11 <Rico> 54mbps bandwidth, wlan through dsl
02:11 <|Sticky|> when you dl a file how many kbps do you get max??
02:11 <Rico> erm
02:11 <Rico> depends how many hosts im downloading it from
02:12 <|Sticky|> one
02:12 <Rico> hm,
02:12 <|Sticky|> well just from a web site
02:12 <Rico> anything between 50 and 250
02:12 <|Sticky|> your on 2mbit
02:12 <Rico> okies
02:12 <|Sticky|> forget setting up your own server
02:12 <Rico> lol
02:13 <Rico> pings >1000
02:13 <Rico> xD
02:14 <Rico> i want a ping like G5's... I cant believe he complains cos its "too low"
02:15 <|Sticky|> well i have to say ping charity can be a bit too charitable
02:15 <Rico> hm
02:15 <|Sticky|> ive found myself absolutly killing with a 230 is ping
02:15 <|Sticky|> way more than i normaly would
02:15 <spidey> http://www.spacebarcowboy.com/computers/computer_man/index.html   LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
02:16 <|Sticky|> its the same as net coding for TFC in half life...the ping compenstation was ofver the top and efveryone started inducing lag to get the benefit
02:16 <Rico> oh
02:17 <Rico> ROFL spidey
02:18 <spidey> heh
02:18 <Rico> whered u come across that?
02:22 <Rico> okies im off
02:22 <Rico> #night
02:22 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
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02:22 <|Sticky|> #night
02:22 <@armabot> Good night |Sticky|!
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02:39 <mkzelda> getting some crashing going on w/ arma i havent had before, large stack dump w/ libpng and opengl mentioned a bunch, ill try to reproduce w/ log
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03:40 <luke-jr> omfg
03:40 <luke-jr> tar sucks
03:42 <Stempo> tar?
03:42 <Stempo> football?
03:42 <GodTodd> yeah...tar *is* kinda sticky
03:42 <GodTodd> stinky too
03:45 <GodTodd> #dance
03:45 <@armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
03:52 <luke-jr> civ?
03:59 <GodTodd> it's a game...started as a single player civilization building simulation but blossomed into a multiplayer network opensource game
04:00 <luke-jr> you playing?
04:01 <GodTodd> currently? no
04:01 <luke-jr> the game about to start
04:01 <luke-jr> duh
04:01  * GodTodd doesn't even know of a game that is about to start
04:01 <GodTodd> duh
04:01 <luke-jr> now you do, clearly
04:02 <GodTodd> who all is playing?
04:02 <luke-jr> so far? Alter-Ego and I
04:02 <GodTodd> hmmm...dunno...i gots me a load of women's work to do :/
04:03 <luke-jr> so have the woman do it? :p
04:03 <GodTodd> can't...she's in bed :P
04:04 <luke-jr> oh well, leave it for another day :p
04:04 <GodTodd> can't....end of the semester got me behind...need to do at least one load of laundry tonight or my wife goes to work in her undies tomorrow
04:04 <GodTodd> heh
04:06 <luke-jr> GodTodd: did you put your name into your nation? :p
04:06 <luke-jr> an AI just used it...
04:06 <GodTodd> yeah i did
04:06 <luke-jr> heh
04:06 <GodTodd> that's the default leader
04:07 <luke-jr> i c
04:07 <GodTodd> luci says it's a particularly bloodthirsty nation, too ;)
04:08 <luke-jr> >_<
04:11 <luke-jr> so not playing?
04:11 <luke-jr> want an AI?
04:11 <GodTodd> nah
04:12 <Stempo> k I g2g, bye bye, night night
04:13 <GodTodd> cya
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04:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't do laundry and play freeciv, eh?
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> did y'all already start the game?
04:47 <GodTodd> well...i probably can...but luke wouldn't know that :P
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you got a game going right now?
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see how the sdl client works out in real play
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> moos: moo
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> man, the freeciv irc channel is about as exciting as filling a bucket of water
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it's even less exciting than my last simile
04:56 <GodTodd> really? more exciting than i remember then
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to play a round of freeciv-2.1.0-beta2?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. no warclient, using unstable shit :)
04:57 <GodTodd> i'd have to dl it...
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> water you waiting for!?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ping
04:58 <spidey> what?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes isn't here?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> with the 2.1 beta?
04:58 <spidey> obviously :p
04:58 <spidey> i'm playing on lukes server
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I want to check out the sdl client during regular play
04:58 <spidey> heh
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, luke's probably running 2.0.8 still, right?  I just tried to build the sdl client with it and it failed
04:59 <luke-jr> 2.1 breaks compat too often IMO
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> whine whine whine
04:59 <luke-jr> and SDL is not for civ-type games :p
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> breaks compat with what, exactly?  And how can you say too often when it's the first of the series?
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't seen the sdl client, obviously :)
04:59 <luke-jr> itself
04:59 <luke-jr> I'd prefer Qt
04:59 <luke-jr> come join the game
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2.1 won't connect, and I've no interest in playing without trying the sdl client :)
05:00 <luke-jr> :p
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> come on, everybody get the sdl client for 2.1 and we'll try it together :)
05:01 <GodTodd> 2.1 beta won't mess up my nation stuff, will it? :P
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it should install in a different directory, and I haven't tried the ruleset on it yet
05:01 <GodTodd> is there a separate 2.1 sdl beta or are all of them sdl?
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's a separate one
05:02 <GodTodd> bah nm
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's a windows build for it.  In linux you have to build it yourself :)
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> the sdl build has a ui more inline with what I want from the gtk client
05:03 <GodTodd> gimme a few and i'll have it
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> ko
05:03 <luke-jr> is it in Portage? :p
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> sdl is
05:04 <luke-jr> :p
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> it runs from the source directory just fine though, which is how I've been running freeciv for awhile now
05:04 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: qwm in #freeciv plays 2.1
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> two konsoles open, one running the server, one running the client
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> nobody in #freeciv is talking
05:05 <GodTodd> he probably means #freeciv-1tpd
05:05 <luke-jr> either one
05:05 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: konsole supports tabs, FYI
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> you're kidding!
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> there's a separate (wait for it) konsole in each tab?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go pee, then start a server up
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going to 2.1 now, y'all need to upgrade :)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> (2.1 has a Texan civilization)
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you also need to download a theme for the sdl client, which they mention on the page
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> so, who wants to play this game?
05:21 <luke-jr> nobody
05:22 <GodTodd> hmmm...it won't start up :/
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> did you download the theme?
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> theme ships separately because they don't know about all the graphics
05:23 <GodTodd> i see nothing about the themes
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s3564543/freeciv-sdl/deluxe2_theme-2.1.0-beta2-2006-08-11.zip
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> unzip to the directory where freeciv is installed
05:28 <GodTodd> trying again
05:31 <GodTodd> couldn't connect
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> try again
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized my IP address locally changed again and fixed it
05:31 <GodTodd> ahhh
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> you gonna press start?  :)
05:40 <GodTodd> how do we talk again?
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> right-shift->return
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05:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey ping
05:57 <DrJoeTron> spideylog ping
05:58 <DrJoeTron> damn it
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> crashed?
06:14 <GodTodd> yep
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06:18 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:18 <Durka> #hello
06:18 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. || He of all men should behave as though the law compelled him. || But it is the universal weakness of mankind that what we are || given to administer we presently imagine we own." || -- H.G. Wells
06:19 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
06:19 <spidey> defcon?
06:19 <Durka> lol
06:21  * luke-jr pokes spidey
06:21  * Durka pokes spidey
06:21 <Durka> #roulette
06:21 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
06:24 <Durka> #armaservers
06:24 <@armabot> Durka: Wild West =Fortress= (5 players) || MicroBusCity.com (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || The Lobster Tub(TEST) (3 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (3 players) || The Dip Bowl (2 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (2 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (2 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild (1 more message)
06:24 <Durka> #serverinfo u r k
06:24 <@armabot> Durka: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬/xff9900: Players (2/14): BHX, Dark Fox
06:27 <luke-jr> urk...
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07:19 <DrJoeTron> who the fuck plays at lobster servers
07:22 <DrJoeTron> oh man
07:22 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma 
07:23 <DrJoeTron> I found an emot we need to add
07:25 <DrJoeTron>
07:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: wow, your knowlege of the location of your server is great
07:47 <wrtlprnft> *ledge
07:57 <Durka> wrtlpwnd!
07:57 <Durka> i simplified the team sumo tournament
07:57 <Durka> 4 brackets
07:57 <Durka> first one to win 2 rounds moves to final
07:57 <Durka> one team from each bracket obviously
07:57 <Durka> then the finals is first to win 3
07:58 <Durka> but can i ask you a slight favor? :D
07:58 <Durka> wrtlprnft: ping
08:10  * Durka >:(
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: no response from server
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> besides, you need to ask tank to add emoticons :)
08:11 <wrtlprnft> Durka (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o): pong
08:11 <Durka> ok
08:11 <Durka> can you do my a favor?
08:12 <Durka> on the day of the team sumo tournament
08:12 <wrtlprnft> what sort?
08:12 <Durka> for just one hour
08:12 <Durka> can u covert Sumo Bar
08:12 <Durka> to Team Sumo Bar
08:12 <Durka> ??? :p
08:12 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=11122#11122
08:12 <wrtlprnft> already posted :P
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08:13 <Durka> http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?p=11123#11123
08:13 <Durka> right back atchya :D
08:14 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:14 <wrtlprnft> how boring
08:14 <wrtlprnft> makes it really hard to do any changes
08:16 <Durka> no
08:16 <Durka> i have the map
08:16 <Durka> i can keep making changes
08:16 <Durka> it also is so u and manta and whoever else wants to use team sumo doesnt have to keep checking in with me about updates
08:17 <Durka> ill just spam the resources with new updates
08:17 <Durka> actually im only on version 6 of team sumo
08:17 <Durka> not bad
08:17 <Durka> 7 will be with points fixed
08:18 <wrtlprnft> umm, they do have to check for updates
08:18 <Durka> i mean all i have to say is
08:18 <wrtlprnft> they have to change the map everytime you make a change
08:18 <Durka> yo wrtl!
08:18 <Durka> change it to 0.0.7!
08:18 <Durka> not 
08:18 <Durka> ok so wrtl
08:18 <Durka> u need to bare with me
08:18 <Durka> i made a ton of changes
08:18 <Durka> im gonna go find them and type them out
08:18 <wrtlprnft> yo durka!
08:18 <Durka> then copy it into ur config
08:18 <Durka> or ill kill u!
08:19 <Durka> see
08:19 <Durka> its not fun
08:19 <wrtlprnft> new sumo settings at http://wrtlprnft.homelinux.org/~armagetronad/sumo.cfg
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
08:19 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): pong
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, do you want to keep playing this game?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> the ingame chat is kind of shitty because it clears each round.  :/
08:20 <GodTodd> i know :/
08:20 <Durka> spidey was just in CTWF o_O
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not terribly interested in another all-nighter of civ, I got what I wanted out of the game
08:21 <GodTodd> yeah, me too
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> we can save it off and maybe resume it some other day if you want
08:21 <spidey> yea
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> or we can just kill it and blow it off :)
08:21 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: did ya get dome out of it?
08:21 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc"
08:21 <GodTodd> i'ma mess with it tomorrow too and see if i can put my nation in it
08:21 <@armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 34117 messages.
08:21 <GodTodd> heh, whichever is fine by me :)
08:21 <Durka> #last --from spidey --with mbc
08:21 <@armabot> Durka: [08:28:41] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc"
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just kill it.  It's not that interesting of a game, even if I am hving fun :)
08:21 <Durka> aww
08:21 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "mbc" --nolimit
08:21 <GodTodd> heh
08:22 <@armabot> spidey: [08:28:41] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with "left mbc", [22:56:14] <spidey> i didn't know SD was in mbc then o.o, [22:47:22] <spidey> mbc's lost all of its old members, [05:46:50] * spidey has offically resigned from mbc, [00:27:26] <spidey> he's trying to make it like mbc server, and [23:43:26] <spidey> wrtlprnft, you still mbc?
08:22 <Durka> spidey: join my clan
08:22 <Durka> its called Durka
08:22 <Durka> :p
08:22 <spidey> fuck you :p
08:23 <Durka> fuck you?
08:23 <Durka> #dict fuck you
08:23 <@armabot> Durka: No definition for "fuck you" could be found.
08:23 <Durka> aww
08:23 <Durka> #dict spidey
08:24 <@armabot> Durka: No definition for "spidey" could be found.
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I like the sdl client, but it's relaly buggy :(
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I like having the big map as the base for the ui instead of having it isolated to a pane
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like the log window to be like the console in arma, though, with the same controls
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed the map generator is much improved in 2.1
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> it should be fairly easy to adapt the ruleset for 2.1, they didn't change much
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> the compatibility luke-jr (hi there!) is complaining about is network compatibility
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that little war was fun until I noticed it was 60 AD and I was still using legions :/
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no auto-attack is a deal-breaker for me.  I'll have to see why it's not there
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's just the sdl client
08:27 <GodTodd> could be
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the sdl client was neglected for a long time, and somewhere between 2.0 and 2.1 they picked up someone to work on it
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you noticed the city report isn't nearly as useful as it is in the gtk client :(
08:29 <GodTodd> definitely
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> it needs to show the current cma for the city and let you sort by columns
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't figure out how to get it to sort by columns, assuming it's possible, it may not be
08:31 <GodTodd> i couldn't either
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's a new surrender option, though.  :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it also seemed like the ai was smarter, but I don't know if that was just subjective or not
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it seemed to be making better strategic decisions than in 2.0
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08:33 <GodTodd> that's good then :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I like the sdl client a lot, I hope they get all the bugs sorted out, it's a very promising client
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hell, if the ai really is smarter, that's enough reason to get everyone to upgrade
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> although that little war did feel like what spidey's always bitching about
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> "The ai does something to piss you off, then you go own the ai, not very much fun"
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> why am I the only one talking in #freeciv?  :/
08:38 <GodTodd> dunno...all i ever see is relic saying hello
08:38 <GodTodd> heh
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> durka's such an ass sometimes, heh
08:41 <Durka> GodTodd: ping
08:41 <Durka> lol
08:41 <GodTodd> Durka:): wtf? :)
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: string
08:42 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: strong
08:43 <Durka> GodTodd: ding
08:43 <GodTodd> hrmm....can you not play single player? or do you have to set up a server first?
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> with the sdl client?
08:44 <GodTodd> yah
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you have to do it the old-fashioned way.  start a server locally then connect to it
08:45 <GodTodd> heh
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's all single player does, it just does it automatically, but it still starts a server and then connects to it :)
08:45 <GodTodd> true
08:51 <Durka> wrtlprnft: ping
08:51 <Durka> you there?
08:51 <wrtlprnft> 1
08:51 <Durka> what should the match win be
08:52 <Durka> 900 points?
08:52 <wrtlprnft> up to you
08:53 <Durka> but im asking u
08:53 <Durka> cuz u always wrtlpwn |me|
08:53 <wrtlprnft> i'd keep 1200, just because people will start whining otherwise
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> make people whine!
08:53 <Durka> its at 1000 now
08:53 <Durka> well lets see
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> not divisible by 3!
08:53 <Durka> if ur in a zone with 4 ppl
08:53 <Durka> and u win the round
08:53 <Durka> how many points do u get
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> 6 x 9?
08:54 <Durka> so the first conquered zone would be 20
08:54 <Durka> then 30
08:54 <Durka> then 60
08:54 <Durka> so u get 110 for winning
08:54 <Durka> then u probably killed someone
08:54 <wrtlprnft> basically
08:54 <Durka> so about 140 per round win
08:54 <Durka> that means if u won all 10 rounds
08:54 <Durka> thats 1400
08:54 <wrtlprnft> plus killing, minus points you might lose by being outside a zone
08:55 <Durka> so the chances that 1200 will be reached is not liely
08:55 <wrtlprnft> plus points you sneak if you go into another zone
08:55 <Durka> u only lose points for suicide
08:55 <Durka> ya but then the chances u win the zone u startted in decrease
08:55 <wrtlprnft> well, you don't get the points if a zone collapses and you're not inside it
08:55 <Durka> true
08:55 <Durka> lets say on average
08:56 <Durka> the average team gets 90 points around?
08:56 <Durka> maybe?
08:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah
08:56 <Durka> out of the 2 ppl
08:56 <Durka> at least one gets a kill
08:56 <Durka> the kill gets u 30 + (20 or 30 or 60) for the zone
08:56 <Durka> maybe just like 60 points
08:56 <Durka> so 60 x 10 =
08:56 <Durka> #g 60*10
08:56 <@armabot> Durka: 60 * 10 = 600
08:56 <wrtlprnft> 600 
08:56 <wrtlprnft> gosh
08:56 <Durka> :p
08:56 <Durka> i was joking
08:56 <Durka> lol
08:57 <Durka> so 600
08:57 <Durka> so we have a range from 600-1400
08:57 <Durka> id say 900 is a good bet
08:57 <wrtlprnft> ok…
08:57 <Durka> i mean the chances of 1400 is rare
08:58 <Durka> so the range is really 600-1200
08:58 <Durka> and 900 is in the middle
08:58 <Durka> thats the best # divisble by 30 :p
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> that makes 900 the least decisive
08:58 <Durka> in that range
08:58 <Durka> no
08:59 <Durka> the average is 600
08:59 <Durka> the high is 1200
08:59 <Durka> 1200 is assuming u win 9 out of 10 rounds
08:59 <Durka> I'm gonna go with 900 i think
08:59 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you study the scorelog.txt on your server :)
08:59 <Durka> any takers?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> for averages
08:59 <wrtlprnft> i don't mind either
08:59 <Durka> ya but the scorelog is for 25 point base
08:59 <Durka> not 30
09:00 <Durka> its mantas server but ill pull it up
09:00 <Durka> hmm i think i can download the oops server one thru 1337 h4x0r skillz
09:00 <Durka> ill look at that one if i can get it :D
09:00 <wrtlprnft> the 25 point base doesn't really matter
09:00 <wrtlprnft> just miltiply it by 6/5
09:00 <wrtlprnft> *mult
09:00 <Durka> lol
09:00 <Durka> gotcha
09:00 <Durka> #g 25*(6/5)
09:00 <@armabot> Durka: 25 * (6 / 5) = 30
09:00 <Durka> :p
09:02 <Durka> damn i cant hax0r it
09:02 <Durka> ill just use the wild west one
09:03 <Durka> ooops
09:04 <Durka> manta moved the team sumo server to the other server
09:04 <Durka> not on his arizona server anymore
09:04 <Durka> ill ask him for the scorelogs for both
09:04 <Durka> but ill stick with 900 fttb
09:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
09:05 <Durka> fttb = for the time being
09:06 <wrtlprnft> i know
09:13 <Durka> :p
09:13 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
09:13 <Durka> armabot will tell u
09:13 <Durka> <Setting name="LIMIT_SCORE" value="900" />
09:13 <Durka> oops
09:13 <Durka> ya i put that
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09:16 <Durka> armabuilder??? o_O
09:17 <Durka> o its Luci :p
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, when did that happen?
09:17 <Durka> im gonna go test out the new team sumo settings in the wild west server
09:20 <Durka> ok it works
09:20 <Durka> is there anyway to save settings from inside the server and not by editting the config files?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't armabuilder say anything?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: help
09:20 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
09:20 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
09:20 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux]: 160 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
09:21 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 167 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
09:21 <Durka> its lucibot!!!!
09:21 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-<
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-/
09:21 <armabuilder> 0-\
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> where do you see lucibot?
09:21 <Durka> lmao
09:22 <Durka> well armabuilder is like a bot
09:22 <Durka> armabuilder: destroy
09:22  * armabuilder readies phasers
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder is a bot :)
09:22 <Durka> lmao
09:22 <Durka> nice luci
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> but not a toy, ok?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should go ahead and move the build master to my server
09:23 <Durka> lol
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> lol?
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> you don't know what the fuck I"m talking about :)
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09:31 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's an automated build tool
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> it'll build the game a couple of times per day and notify us of any errors, or something like that
09:37 <Durka> build armagetron?
09:43 <Durka> #last seen belenus
09:43 <@armabot> Durka: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
09:43 <Durka> oops
09:43 <Durka> #lastseen belenus
09:44 <@armabot> Durka: belenus has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 days 13 hours 35 minutes ago.
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10:03 <Durka> #insult armabot 
10:03 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a churlish petrification of left-over urine. 
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: yes, build armagetron
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> hence the name, arma...builder
10:06 -!- Durka is now known as Durkabuilder
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: help
10:07 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
10:07 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
10:07 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 956 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
10:07 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux: idle, last build 966 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5 shell_6 shell_7
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to fix that so it reads easily
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: excited
10:08 <armabuilder> What you say!
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch
10:08 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux
10:08 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
10:09  * Durkabuilder *Out of order*
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10:19 <moos> Cool, a build monkey. I wanted to have one for quite a while.
10:19 -!- moos is now known as z-man-work
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10:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> heya z-man-work (hi there!) 
10:21 <z-man-work> Does your IRC client do the (hi there!) thing automatically?
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> check out that link I just posted here :)
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk doesn't build right now, fails during bootstrap
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not as impressive a webpage as it could be :(
10:22 <z-man-work> Seems so.
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
10:22 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: (no builds run since last restart)
10:22 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 53 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
10:22 <z-man-work> Can you tell it to buld branch 0.2.8, too?
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> soon as I have a function that will parse a fully-qualified svn url
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html#SVN
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
10:24 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list
10:24 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list builders
10:24 <armabuilder> Configured builders: armagetron-linux-client armagetron-linux-server 
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that 'armagetron' needs to be part of every builder name, it's hopelessly redundant
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: hello
10:24 <armabuilder> yes?
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> this bot seems to have more silly stuff than supybot
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: source
10:25 <armabuilder> My source can be found at http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force
10:25 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.IndexError
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force 1
10:25 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:25 <armabuilder> build #0 forced
10:25 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it failed
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:27 <armabuilder> build #1 forced
10:27 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:28 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed shell shell_2 shell_3]
10:28 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/1
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty useless failure message
10:29  * z-man-work likes that: "The guilty developer can be identified and harassed without human intervention."
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> I like that it gives you the stdio from the build
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> so how often is a reasonable interval to poll?  :/
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> I set it to poll twice a day, figuring if we have 3-6 build slaves, then twice a day we could be running 3-6 builds automatically, not counting developer-triggered builds
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> the poll itself isn't a problem, it's just svn log and svn info, or something like that.  What might be a problem is the number of checkouts it triggers
10:33 <z-man-work> Does it always do a fresh checkout?
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html#SVNPoller  <--- here's where it tells you how to tell it about branches
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, it can do just an update instead
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> in that case we need to make sure every build factory does make clean right after it finishes building
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> or at least after it builds a package (when we have package builders)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably want make clean, followed by make distclean
10:37 <Durkabuilder> #night
10:37 <@armabot> Good night Durkabuilder!
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10:45 <spidey> luke-jr, pinf
10:45 <spidey> ping
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build armagetron-linux-client 'Because I felt like it'
10:47 <armabuilder> build #2 forced
10:47 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
10:47 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #2 is complete: Failure [failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5]
10:47 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/2
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, much better
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> now to fix the trunk :)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: umm, did you screw with src/swig in the trunk?
10:51 <z-man-work> Yes, he made it link into a single module, but did not update the Unix build stuff.
10:51 <z-man-work> Umm, I wanted to get to that some time soon, but I guess I can't build here at work any more. stupid system updates.
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmm
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> it would be awfully nice if there were a webpage you could click to tell it to build something
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> except, ummmmm, my laptop can't build with ruby yet
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so the build will still fail
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force build
11:00 <armabuilder> no such builder 'None'
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: force
11:00 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.IndexError
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list
11:00 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: list builders
11:00 <armabuilder> Configured builders: armagetron-linux-client armagetron-linux-server 
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
11:00 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
11:01 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: 823 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5
11:01 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 2350 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
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11:14 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: last
11:14 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-client]: 6 secs ago: failed shell_2 shell_3 shell_4 shell_5
11:14 <armabuilder> last build [armagetron-linux-server]: 3178 secs ago: failed shell shell_2 shell_3
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch
11:14 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:15 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> bullshit
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:16 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #9 until it finishes..
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> neat, it's building the 0.2.8 branch client now :)
11:18 <z-man-work> Gaa, i clicked on the #9 :)
11:21 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #9 is complete: Success [build successful]
11:21 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/9
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> haha
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
11:24 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #10 until it finishes..
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so, to feed it a branch, you have to give it the part of the svn url that starts with branches and ends with armagetronad
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> branches/0.2.8/armagetronad for example
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> it may be that that's the only branch supported right now, I don't know, still getting my head wrapped around this thing
11:28 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #10 is complete: Success [build successful]
11:28 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/10
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> much better report
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> broke building the trunk, though, heh
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11:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
11:49 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #11 until it finishes..
11:50 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #11 is complete: Failure [failed Bootstrap]
11:50 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/11
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: is make distcheck useful when you've configured with --disable-glout ?
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13:14 <epsy> hi
13:15 <metis> hii
13:19 <deja_vu> hey
13:28 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6737 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Make bootstrap not fail
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13:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6738 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/language/ (french.txt spanish.txt): corrected title
13:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6739 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tArray.cpp tMemManager.cpp): Added guards around MALLOC_REPLACEMENT definition
13:45 <z-manuel> I really thought I committed those twice already.
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14:10 <wrtlprnft> armabuilder: ping
14:14 <Vanhayes> wow this is probly the most people I've seen here when there wasnt a competition going on.
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14:16 <wrtlprnft> armabuilder and armabot aren't people
14:16 <wrtlprnft> neither is luke-jr 
14:17 <Vanhayes> heh, I knew that about luke-jr and armabot already, but what is armabuilder?
14:18 <wrtlprnft> i don't know it exactly myself
14:18 <Vanhayes> im guessing something that helps you build arma
14:18 <wrtlprnft> but http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12481
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14:21 <Vanhayes> Well I guess that explains it, even if I dont understand most of it
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15:07  * luke-jr stabs wrtlprnft
15:12 <k3nNy> xD
15:12 <k3nNy> which cmd do u use anyway for such actions luke?
15:15 <z-man>   /me
15:15 <k3nNy> ah ok thx
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15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6740 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac): Moved ruby detection out of the client-only section.
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15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6741 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp): Fixed compiler warning.
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6742 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Added build rules for monolithic swig wrappers.
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6743 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am):
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: Adapted to monolithic swig wrappers. Wrappers are statically linked into the
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: program.
15:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6744 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Makefile.in and _wrap.cxx to the igored files (the right way this time).
15:44 <wrtlprnft> now why's that compiler throwing a warning there?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i see it
15:45 <z-man> Heh, I edited the system ruby include file so I can actually see our own warnings again :)
15:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
15:46 <wrtlprnft> usually i run make >/dev/null to see the warnings, but that stopped working with ruby
15:48 <z-man> I call the ruby headers broken. They don't work with any automake project.
15:49 <wrtlprnft> actually, why can't we make CODELEVEL=2 default?
15:50 <wrtlprnft> can it ever hurt?
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15:52 <z-man> No, only warnings are enabled. Why, do you forget setting it in your builds?
15:52 <z-man> The reason 0 is the default is publicity, of course :) We don't want everyone to see the pedantic warnings of a brand new compiler version.
15:54 <z-man> So, with trunk compilation finally working again in all configurations, perhaps now I can finally merge from 0.2.8 again?
15:54 <wrtlprnft> yay
15:54 <wrtlprnft> but is there a lot, actually?
15:55 <z-man> No, not from me, anyway.
15:55 <z-man> But I remember whanting to merge, seeing trunk compilation fail somewhere, and postponing the merge until we got that fixed.
15:57 <wrtlprnft> see if there's anything to merge :P
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15:58 <wrtlprnft> i merged at some point in time, i think because of the new chatbot
16:05 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort
16:05 <wrtlprnft> haha, that's fun
16:06 <wrtlprnft> i think i'll use that in the program i have to write for my test :)
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16:09 <z-man> Right, the chatbot. That's what I wanted to merge :)
16:12 <z-man> Hmm, Luke seems to have elevated RESPAWN_HACK to an official feature. Strange.
16:12 <z-man> That doesn't look like him at all :)
16:19 <DrJoeTron> are people forgetting how to use mesa
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16:19 <DrJoeTron> message boards 
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16:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yeah, there's been some discussion about that in here
16:20 <DrJoeTron> hey nemo what does [dlh] stand for anyways?
16:33 <luke-jr|work> z-man: ...
16:33 <luke-jr|work> z-man: someone redefined "stable" to include feature additions
16:34 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
16:35 <luke-jr|work> z-man: and deathmatch mode has no negative effects when the config options aren't changed, so...
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16:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: IIRC z-man didn't want the current configs to become permanent
16:42 <wrtlprnft> as soon as it's in the official release and people use it we'll have to stick with them
16:42 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: so don't document them as permanent
16:43 <luke-jr|work> if they need to be temporal, then the docs should say so
16:43 <luke-jr|work> however, we need to stick with them anyway, as 028 clients won't understand anything else
16:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> not with the purely serverside ones
16:44 <wrtlprnft> haha, sorting an array with 100 elements using bozo sort takes a long tim
16:44 <wrtlprnft> e
16:44 <luke-jr|work> so document THOSE as temporal...
16:45 <wrtlprnft> people don't read documentation
16:45 <wrtlprnft> if they have to find out how to even get the configs they'll read that it's a hack
16:45 <wrtlprnft> if they just see the config of a server with respawning and it works on their server they won't read anything
16:45 <z-man> luke-jr|work: it's enabled by default...
16:45 <luke-jr|work> z-man: it is??
16:46 <luke-jr|work> :o
16:46 <z-man> yes. :)
16:46 <luke-jr|work> that's bad :p
16:46 <luke-jr|work> bash: /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image//usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts/sysinstall: No such file or directory
16:46 <z-man> I wouldn't mind terriby if it was also possible to disable it at runtime (and that it was disabled by default)
16:47 <luke-jr|work> I was expecting it to be disabled by default :p
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ok, i don't think this sort will finish in a forseeable time :s
16:49 <z-man> luke-jr: shall I take care that it's disabled?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 100 * 100! / (10 * 10!)
16:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (100 * (100 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 2.57182031 * 10^(152)
16:50 <wrtlprnft> ok, nvm, i won't live long enough to see it finished
16:50 <luke-jr|work> z-man: wait, by enabled/disabled, you mean the config file stuff, right?
16:50 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: lol
16:50 <wrtlprnft> it'll take 1^150 times as long as with 10 elements, on average
16:50 <wrtlprnft> and with ten it took like 5 seconds
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * 10^(152)
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * (10^152) = 2.57182031 * 10^(153) seconds
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * 10^(152) in years
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 10 seconds * 2.57182031 * (10^152) = 8.14978085 * 10^(145) years
16:51 <z-man> I mean that I just did a fresh 0.2.8 checkout, built it, and got respawned.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 20 * 20! / (10 * 10!)
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (20 * (20 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 1,340,885,145,600
16:51 <z-man> IIRC, there is no config file item to control respawning, just the RESPAWN_HACK #define.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> argh, even that won't work
16:52 <z-man> That's why it's a HACK :)
16:52 <luke-jr|work> z-man: sure there is
16:52 <luke-jr|work> 2 config items IIRC
16:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 15 * 15! / (10 * 10!)
16:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (15 * (15 !)) / (10 * (10 !)) = 540,540
16:52 <luke-jr|work> INVULNERABLE_TIME is one
16:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: that's needed by the client
16:53 <z-man> those only control what happens after you respawn, not whether you respawn.
16:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 5 seconds * 1,340,885,145,600
16:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 5 seconds * 1,340,885,145,600 = 212,454.969 years
16:53 <luke-jr|work> hmm
16:53 <wrtlprnft> even 15 elements is too long
16:53 <z-man> try 2 :)
16:54 <wrtlprnft> 10 works already
16:54 <luke-jr|work> so we need a new config item :o
16:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 12 * 12! / (10 * 10!) * 5 seconds
16:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((12 * (12 !)) / (10 * (10 !))) * (5 seconds) = 13.2 minutes
16:54 <wrtlprnft> ok, that's bearable
16:54 <luke-jr|work> but first, I'd like to get trunk to build and install :p
16:55 <z-man> Try again. Make devckeck just ran through for me.
16:56 <luke-jr|work> DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image/ ROOTDIR= bash /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/image//usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts/sysinstall install /usr/games
16:56 <luke-jr|work> why is it running sysinstall from the DESTDIR?
16:58 <z-man> because sysinstall is supposed to be executed AFTER the game has been installed in its proper location.
16:58 <z-man> I guess. What where DESTDIR and ROOTDIR again?
16:59 <luke-jr|work> ROOTDIR is the final root
16:59 <luke-jr|work> DESTDIR is a temporal prefix to it
16:59 <luke-jr|work> wtf does sysinstall do if not install?
17:03 <z-man> sysinstall wraps up the installation. It does everything that has to be done after a binary distribution has been installed (==copied) to a user's system. Install menus, create users, that stuff.
17:05 <z-man> And it's called from DESTDIR if it is called from make because at that point, nothing has been installed into ROOTDIR yet.
17:05 <z-man> so calling it from ROOTDIR would not work.
17:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6745 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac): Disabled respawning by default, and clarified its status as a hack.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/312091
17:06 <wrtlprnft> i think i'll use that in my next computer science test
17:07 <luke-jr|work> z-man: menus should be done before that...
17:08 <z-man> wrtlprnft: always pushing the limits of computer science, eh?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:09 <z-man> luke-jr: no, they can't. Different distributions store them in different places.
17:09 <wrtlprnft> he didn't say it needed to be the most efficient algorithm, in fact he said it doesn't have to be
17:09 <wrtlprnft> so everyone will be using bubblesort, probably
17:09 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: does that mean it can be extensively inefficient?
17:10 <luke-jr|work> screw bubble sort. just remake a new list one by one :p
17:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: actually this algo is amazingly easy to write. no recursion, nothing. just a while (1) loop and a for loop
17:11 <luke-jr|work> just randomly reorder stuff until it's sorted
17:11 <luke-jr|work> :)
17:11 <z-man> You can't have everything, I guess. If you want to have the slowest sort in the world, it can't also be insanaly difficult to understand.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/312096
17:12 <luke-jr|work> :)
17:12 <wrtlprnft> i'd use more c++ goodness, but i'm afraid the teacher won't understand it
17:13 <luke-jr|work> pfft
17:14 <luke-jr|work> if you can confuse the teacher in his own field, you should get a refund for the class
17:14 <wrtlprnft> like std::copy, std::vector and a template function
17:14 <wrtlprnft> though i could directly use std::sort then :P
17:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: math teacher
17:19 <luke-jr|work> then why do you need to use code? :p
17:20 <luke-jr|work> z-man: so why aren't scripts copied to DESTDIR first?
17:21 <z-man> Aren't they?
17:21 <luke-jr|work> apparently not
17:21 <luke-jr|work> also, we seem to make /usr/games/share and /usr/share/games O.o
17:23 <z-man> Isn't that automake's job?
17:23 <luke-jr|work> I'm guessing one is hard coded somewhere
17:23 <luke-jr|work> aha!
17:24 <z-man> And "make installcheck", i'm quite sure, sets different values for DESTDIR and ROOTDIR, and it seems to work.
17:24 <luke-jr|work> we're appending the slot to the script dir
17:24 <luke-jr|work> installcheck might not use slots?
17:24 <z-man> slots?
17:24 <luke-jr|work> --with-multislot
17:24 <luke-jr|work> multiver*
17:25 <luke-jr|work> usr/share/games/armagetronad-experimental-live/scripts-experimental-live/
17:25 <luke-jr|work> 'experimental-live' is the multiver value
17:25 <luke-jr|work> usr/games/share/services/armagetronad.protocol is the one file outside the norm share path
17:26 <z-man> Hmm, installcheck uses whatever was configured, I guess.
17:27 <luke-jr|work> ah
17:27 <luke-jr|work> makes sense
17:27 <luke-jr|work> protocolfiledir=${prefix}/share/services
17:27 <luke-jr|work> there's bug #2
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6746 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/desktop/Makefile.am: ${prefix}/share should be ${datadir}
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17:47 <luke-jr|work> argh
18:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6747 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (acinclude.m4 configure.ac): I think this fixes the directory problems
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6748 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (15 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6345 to 6745:
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6745 | z-man | 2007-01-10 17:06:45 +0100 (Wed, 10 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  Disabled respawning by default, and clarified its status as a hack.
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6682 | luke-jr | 2007-01-03 23:18:35 +0100 (Wed, 03 Jan 2007) | 1 line
18:11 <luke-jr|work> is there a good way to get everything within #ifdef ? :p
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> gvim, % key?
18:13 <luke-jr|work> eg, see a diff for RESPAWN_HACK
18:13 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:13 <luke-jr|work> where file1 is if the #ifdef is false and file2 is with it true
18:14 <wrtlprnft> gotta find out how to run it through the preprocessor :P
18:14 <luke-jr|work> cpp
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18:15 <luke-jr|work> but there's multiple files :(
18:16 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6749 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/Makefile.am: aa_scriptdir is no more
18:16 <z-man> luke-jr: yeah, that seems to be it :)
18:19 <luke-jr|work> z-man: ?
18:21 <z-man> your fix.
18:21 <luke-jr|work> which one
18:23 <z-man> Your two latest commits.
18:23 <wrtlprnft> which ones?
18:24 <z-man> grrrrr
18:25 <z-man> 6749 and 4747, if that was a serious question.
18:25 <luke-jr|work> lol
18:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work didn't make a commit for 2002 revisions? and no, it wasn't a serious question
18:26 <luke-jr|work> woo
18:26 <luke-jr|work> armagetronad-live merged
18:26  * z-man grumbles and does something else.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> svn: Failed to add directory 'src/swig': object of the same name already exists
18:27 <wrtlprnft> grr
18:27 <wrtlprnft> delete it?
18:27 <z-man> yes
18:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6750 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: that should be PN
18:28 <z-man> it's stale, filled with auto-generated content
18:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6751 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: digest
18:28 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
18:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6752 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (acinclude.m4 batch/Makefile.am configure.ac): Backported Luke's directory fix.
18:29 <luke-jr|work> was it a problem there??
18:30 <luke-jr|work> pretty sure it wasn't...
18:30 <z-man> scriptdir also existed there.
18:30 <luke-jr|work> but it worked
18:30 <z-man> not for me.
18:30 <luke-jr|work> O.o
18:31 <luke-jr|work> didn't have the problem
18:31 <luke-jr|work> nor did 0.3.0
18:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6753 / (2 files in 2 dirs): beatuified.
18:31 <z-man> I'm not too sure whether the backport works yet, either. I'll see about that in a second.
18:32 <z-man> Well, the problem only manifests itself during "make install" if you leave sysinstall enabled. Maybe you disabled it then?
18:33 <z-man> I'm pretty sure it was required for various workarounds.
18:34 <z-man> Anyway, I have a fresh checkout with multiver configured, and devcheck failed a minute ago with the same error you gave. Let's see if that has changed.
18:36 <z-man> yep, works now.
18:38 <luke-jr|work> z-man: I mean the directory installed by 028/030 was 'scripts'
18:39 <luke-jr|work> but 028 isn't using multiver!
18:39 <luke-jr|work> hmm
18:41 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what do i pass as template parameter for tReferencable if i derive from it?
18:43 <z-man> The class you want to derive from it.
18:43 <z-man> class huh: public tReferencable<huh>{};
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that works? wow
18:44 <z-man> Yeah :)
18:44 <wrtlprnft> looks quite circular to me
18:44 <z-man> But isn't there a non-template version around?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> like class huh: public huh ;)
18:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, dunno
18:44 <wrtlprnft> i can't find any spot where it's used :s
18:45 <z-man> Must have been in some other project, then. I can't find it, either.
18:46 <wrtlprnft> so if i have a tReferencable i can use a tList of that, right?
18:47 <z-man> Let's see...
18:48 <z-man> You can have a tList of basically everything. If you want tList to reference objects, though, you need to put
18:48 <z-man> tDECLARE_REFOBJ( yourObject )
18:48 <z-man> somewhere in your header.
18:48 <wrtlprnft> i want the list to own pointers of my object
18:49 <z-man> And remember that tList has these quirky semantics with wanting to store an index in your objects :/
18:51 <wrtlprnft> isn't there any chance to get tArray to be derived from std::vector?
18:51 <z-man> If you don't want that, just use std::vector< tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR< yourObject > > .
18:51 <wrtlprnft> to get iterators and all that
18:51 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6754 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Reworked SWIG/Ruby build system for autohell.
18:51 <z-man> there is. Plenty.
18:51 <wrtlprnft> ah, the vector approach is fine w/ me
18:51 <z-man> Because tArray currently does not work with my Io smart pointers.
18:54 <wrtlprnft> grr, i just read that stl containers are not intended to be derived from
18:56  * wrtlprnft is trying to get rid of the braindead tAutoDeque :P
18:58 <wrtlprnft>         if(cWidget::WithCoordinates *coordWidget = dynamic_cast<cWidget::WithCoordinates *>(&(*(*iter)))) {
18:58 <wrtlprnft> this is the ugliest cast i ever did :(
19:06 <[dlh]> hmmm…
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6755 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Got rid of the braindead tAutoDeque in favor of a std::vector<tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR>
19:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Rebeautified
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19:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: Whoa! Does that don't-derive-from policy also affect std::string?
19:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i don't think so
19:11 <wrtlprnft> STL containers are not intended to be used as base classes (their destructors are deliberately non-virtual). Deriving from a container is a common mistake made by novices.
19:11 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Template_Library
19:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: noob! jk
19:12 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6756 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am swig/Makefile.am): Ruby/SWIG build system for automake now works
19:13 <wrtlprnft> though i wonder why a nonvirtual constructor would hurt
19:13 <z-man> you can't call delete on a std::container<> pointer and expect it to work.
19:13 <wrtlprnft> it only means that you can't derive two classes from the same container and expect to be able to store them in the same pointer
19:14 <z-man> Umm, no :)
19:15 <wrtlprnft> class A : std::container<foo> { virtual ~A(); };
19:15 <wrtlprnft> class B : A { int some_data; };
19:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, insert a “public” there
19:16 <wrtlprnft> means that you can still delete an A pointer that contains a B object, right?
19:16 <z-man> Then you do std::container<foo> * Ptr = new A; delete Ptr; and watch it do bad things.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> then don't do it :P
19:16 <z-man> yes.
19:18 <z-man> But that does "not designed to be base classes" mean.
19:18 <z-man> You can still derive other classes from them, but you can't use them as the base class in all aspects.
19:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i had some trouble with my tAutoPtr thing
19:19 <z-man> Yay! A windows build!
19:19 <wrtlprnft> i originally intended it to be able to derive from any container
19:20 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:20 <z-man> Now that ruby is optional, it wasn't all that difficult.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> not cross-compiled, though, right?
19:20 <z-man> err, no. plain old code::blocks
19:20 <z-man> I'm still scared of cross compilation.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> as soon as we're able to cross compile i'll be able to put up nightly windows builds
19:21 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MinGW
19:21 <wrtlprnft> sounds easy but doesn't even compile libxml for me :(
19:23 <z-man> Last time I tried the gentoo way, i didn't get g++, only gcc.
19:24 <wrtlprnft> i think i have g++
19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6757 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (configure.ac scripts/menu.rb): removed dead code
19:50 <luke-jr|work> z-man: IIRC, the gentoo way requires emerging gcc twice: first, for just gcc; then, for both gcc and g++
19:51 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: why not just use a binary libxml? :p
19:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6758 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): oops, need to remove that entirely..
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6759 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): explicitly inherit base
20:25 <z-man> luke-jr|work: how, exactly, would this two stage process work if you're building a cross compiler?
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20:43 <z-man> I don't suppose anyone here has a clue how we can get vParser.ypp to work in code::blocks?
20:44 <z-man> Apart from the obvious "use yacc on it", I mean.
20:47 <luke-jr|work> I don't think yacc supports C++
20:48 <z-man> ah, there's bison distributed with code::blocks
20:49 <z-man> GNU bison is sufficient, right?
20:49 <z-man> Gaa, it's version 1.28
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6760 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): only ln digest
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20:56 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6761 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): base_src_unpack sucks
21:01 <luke-jr|work> O.o
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21:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6762 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Removed unused files.
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6763 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Disabled value parser. Can't get it to work with regular code::blocks build system, bison is too old.
21:19 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6764 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): notice regarding svn revbumping
21:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6765 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): correct typo
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6766 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Windows build: Moved config.h to aa_config.h.Why doesn't SVN move work any more? Oh well.
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6767 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Updated Windows build files.
21:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: note ph wanted to keep the files for reference. whatever, i guess he'll have to use viewcvs to see them
21:22 <luke-jr|work> z-man: I hope you just disabled it on windows, so only windows is broken
21:22 <wrtlprnft> the gWinZones ones
21:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: there's no use for it anyways
21:23 <luke-jr|work> ...
21:23 <wrtlprnft> why would you want to enter an expression without any variables?
21:23 <luke-jr|work> didn't inline XML work?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> inline xml?
21:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6768 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Made SWIG wrappers compile with disabled warnings.
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6769 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Rebeautified.
21:27 <z-man> luke-jr|work: No, I made sure it breaks only on Windows and for you :)
21:27 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: your XML format within regular parsed operators
21:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: well, he should have made me open and read the comment that he wanted to keep them, then :)
21:28 <wrtlprnft> they're not lost :)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> <Value expr="<AtomicData source='player_rubber' /> * 5" />?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> eek.
21:38 <luke-jr|work> er
21:38 <luke-jr|work> who made up <Value?
21:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6770 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): wrap earlier for PF
21:43 <wrtlprnft> value always existed
21:43 <wrtlprnft> err, no
21:43 <wrtlprnft> you invented it
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6771 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Keep symbols hidden
22:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6772 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): add some space :p
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22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6773 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/ (package.mask use.local.desc): change mask message to request testing
22:07 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: <Value> tag didn't
22:07 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: it should just be inline text
22:08 <luke-jr|work> Gentoo users plz test armagetronad-live pkg
22:08 <luke-jr|work> kthx
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22:17 <epsy> hey
22:18 <luke-jr|work> hi
22:18 <luke-jr|work> you use Gentoo?
22:18 <epsy> yeah i still use gentoo :)
22:19 <epsy> what error while compilling?
22:19 <epsy> :P
22:19 <epsy> ehh
22:19 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:19 <luke-jr|work> no error afaik
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22:19 <luke-jr|work> try armagetronad-live
22:19 <luke-jr|work> layman -S first!
22:20 <epsy> yeah yeah :)
22:22 <epsy> ...
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22:23 <luke-jr|work> ...
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22:24 <epsy> ....
22:24 <epsy> compilling...
22:24 <epsy> ah yeah i remember what happended this morning...
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22:24 <epsy> the install script did failed
22:25 <luke-jr|work> :o
22:25 <luke-jr|work> rm your tmp dirs?
22:25 <epsy> well
22:25 <epsy> i'm seeing now if...
22:25 <epsy> well that was this morning
22:26 <epsy> and its evening now here 
22:26 <epsy> ;)
22:27 <epsy> ah
22:27 <epsy>  * Installing moviepack
22:27 <epsy> install: ne peut évaluer `moviepack': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
22:27 <epsy> !!! ERROR: games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693 failed.
22:27 <epsy> Call stack:
22:27 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_install
22:27 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1020:   Called src_install
22:27 <epsy>   armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild, line 167:   Called die
22:27 <epsy> :/
22:29 <luke-jr|work> translate foo
22:29 <epsy> <epsy> install: ne peut évaluer `moviepack': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
22:29 <epsy> > install: cant evaluate 'moviepack': no such file or directory
22:29 <epsy> only thing in french i see
22:32 <epsy> my use flags: [ebuild  N    ] games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693  USE="moviepack moviesounds opengl -debug -dedicated -ruby" LINGUAS="en -es" 0 kB [8]
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6774 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (scripts/initialize.rb src/swig/ext/tools/tConfiguration.i):
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad: You can now get/set configuration items through Armagetronad::TOldConf:
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Armagetronad::TOldConf.cycle_rubber # => …
22:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  Armagetronad::TOldConf.cycle_rubber = 5
22:44 <epsy> all what you needed?
22:46 <luke-jr|work> yeah
22:46 <luke-jr|work> I never test movie* :p
22:46 <luke-jr|work> almost never*
22:47 <epsy> almostnb
22:47 <epsy> gmpf*
22:48 <luke-jr|work> wtf?
22:48 <epsy> almost oftenball (you wont understand)
22:57 <epsy> you know the story of the arma clan HTF ? all of their admins are gone, abd there's still members in it ><
22:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6775 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): fix moviepack?
23:00 <luke-jr|work> try that :p
23:00 <epsy> ...
23:02 <epsy> compiling now...
23:06 <epsy> seems worked...
23:07 <luke-jr|work> does it run?
23:07 <epsy> right cmd for it is armagetronad-experimantal-live or..??
23:07 <luke-jr|work> armagetronad-experimental-live
23:07 <epsy> k
23:08 <epsy> hm
23:09 <epsy> windowed mode don't work anymore with a comp manager...
23:09 <luke-jr|work> it never did?
23:11 <epsy> it did
23:11 <luke-jr|work> maybe pre-ftgl?
23:12 <epsy> ???
23:12 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:12 <luke-jr|work> truetype fonts
23:12 <luke-jr|work> was added for 0.3
23:12 <epsy> antialiasing is here, yes
23:13 <luke-jr|work> ...
23:16 <epsy> how i do to...
23:16 <epsy> display the hud map in wrtlprnft's cockpit file?
23:17 <luke-jr|work> dunno
23:20 <epsy> k it works
23:20 <epsy> gtg
23:20 <epsy> cya
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