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Log from 2007-01-11:
--- Day changed Thu Jan 11 2007
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00:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.infidelguy.com/members/Neil/comics/0.gif A Creationist Guide For How To Argue Against 'Evil Evolution'.. :-)  
00:23 <luke-jr|work> DrJoeTron: except there is no such "proof" it claims
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00:27 <DrJoeTron> thanks for stereotyping luke :D
00:28 <luke-jr|work> ?
00:28 <DrJoeTron> I want thomas jeffersons quran
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00:41 <Compn> i bet thomas jefferson looked like a badass in a turban
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00:49 <|Sticky|> hay all
00:50 <|Sticky|> #hello
00:50 <|Sticky|> hehe
00:50 <armabot> Hello |Sticky| :) Random Fortune: America has been discovered before, but it has always been hushed up. || - Oscar Wilde
00:51 <madmax|pt> hi
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01:17 <DrJoeTron> I just bacon
01:17 <DrJoeTron> and went "amnumnumnumnum
01:18 <GodTodd> joe
01:18 <GodTodd> you bitch :)
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01:24 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:24 <DrJoeTron> I like bacon
01:24 <DrJoeTron> ahmnumnumnum
01:25 <DrJoeTron> say that to yourself without a smile on your face
01:25 <DrJoeTron> if you do...
01:25 <DrJoeTron> you...you lack a sould
01:25 <DrJoeTron> soul*
01:25 <GodTodd> i'm sure i lack one anyway :P
01:27 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron:): defcon?
01:27 <DrJoeTron> what what what!?
01:27 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd you have defcon?
01:28 <GodTodd> nah...i just hadn't seen spidey say that in a while ;)
01:28 <DrJoeTron> ah
01:28 <DrJoeTron> I was going to deny you 
01:28 <DrJoeTron> because I'm leaving in a half hour
01:29 <DrJoeTron> and then say id play  when I get back and totally forget about it
01:29 <GodTodd> idk what defcon is other than some kind of war game
01:29 <GodTodd> haha
01:29 <DrJoeTron> thats all it is
01:29 <DrJoeTron> its like risk
01:29 <DrJoeTron> but fun
01:30 <GodTodd> heh
01:40 <DrJoeTron> you know what would be really scary
01:40 <DrJoeTron> and Arma meet
01:40 <DrJoeTron> an in person one
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02:15 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
02:15 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #12 until it finishes..
02:16 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #12 is complete: Failure [failed Compile]
02:16 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/12
02:18 <mkzelda> armagetronad[13763]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b4237ef8fd8 rsp 00007fff733faa10 error 6
02:19 <mkzelda> why is arma not listed in the layman list anymore?
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
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02:24 <mkzelda> oh
02:24 <Fonkay> oh?
02:24 <mkzelda> now it requires the -k option to show up
02:25 <mkzelda> '
02:25 <mkzelda>  * Use the -k switch to also list overlays that are
02:25 <mkzelda>  * considered less secure.
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02:26 <Fonkay> I have come looking for some sort of entertainment... alas
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man wasn't considering about all the errors the swig stuff generates
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> er
02:27 <Fonkay> hiya luci
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man wasn't lying about all the errors the swig stuff generates
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> hi Fonkay (hi there!) 
02:28 <Fonkay> The interweb has ceased to amuse me
02:28 <Fonkay> ceased
02:29 <Fonkay> and I'm bored as hell
02:30 <Fonkay> is it / or # that gives the weather? i foget
02:30 <Fonkay> forget
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
02:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 60.6°F (7:30 PM CST on January 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa. 
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> amuse yourself with our new bot, armabuilder
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
02:32 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: dance
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-<
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-/
02:32 <armabuilder> 0-\
02:32 <Fonkay> hehe
02:33 <Fonkay> #weather New glasgow
02:33 <armabot> Fonkay: The current temperature in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia is 33.0°F. Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 76%. Wind: NW at 9 mph (14 km/h).
02:33 <Fonkay> bull, its not snowing
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
02:33 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #13 until it finishes [1m17s]..
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> eta?
02:34 <Fonkay> oh shit, look at that, it is snowing
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:34 <Fonkay> I couldn't see it until i turned the light on outside
02:35 <Fonkay> my car has a light coating
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> haha, the buildbot is confused.  It thinks it'll be done in 1 second, but it thought that 30 seconds ago
02:36 <Fonkay> other than build bots, what else is new luci, haven't talk to you in a while
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> looking for work, got any?
02:37 <Fonkay> not in your field.... or in your current place of residence,
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02:38 <Fonkay> if you want to work as a journeyman carpenter in canada, i have work for you.
02:38 <Fonkay> or maybe as a cook...
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
02:38 <Fonkay> hey moms, how you doing?
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> im okay, how are you?
02:39 <GodTodd> we're trying to get you a job, mom ;)
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to move to canada and it paid the bills while I'm in school
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> hey mom, you ever manage to the trunk to build on your machine?
02:39 <Fonkay> I'm working part time as a cook right now, which blows.
02:40 <Fonkay> I'm doing alright, failing at my quitting smoking, that's about all my news
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> luci are you talking about compiling arma? 
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes :)
02:40 <Fonkay> Trying to build a trebuchet and raise money, other than that, nothing
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> no :(
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> a trebuchet?  Isn't that like a really large crossbow?
02:40 <Fonkay> no
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> #dict trebuchet
02:41 <Fonkay> it's like a catapult, but more efficient
02:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn and gcide responded: wn: trebuchet n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, {arbalist}, {ballista}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebucket}]; gcide: Trebuchet \Treb"u*chet\, Trebucket \Tre"buck*et\, n. [OF. trebuchet, trebukiet, an engine of war for hurling stones, F. (4 more messages)
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> has built a 5 foot tall trebuchet before
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> is it the one that's basically a large, mechanized sling?
02:41 <Fonkay> we're building a 7-8foot one to compete against engineering students
02:41 <Fonkay> yea
02:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #13 is complete: Success [build successful]
02:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/13
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> civil engineering students?
02:41 <Fonkay> basically
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> so they're building a castle?
02:42 <Fonkay> no
02:42 <Fonkay> they're also building trebuchets
02:42 <Fonkay> we're going to throw 2kg balls at targets.
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> if a trebuchet is the large sling, what's a scorpion?
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> and what is the really big crossbow?
02:42 <Fonkay> and then if we win, we're going to have a huge party.
02:43 <Fonkay> uhhh, neither?
02:43 <Fonkay> that's the uhhh... starts with a P
02:43 <Fonkay> i think
02:44 <Fonkay> ballista?
02:44 <Fonkay> yea, that's it
02:44 <Fonkay> Ballista.
02:45 <Fonkay> for the competition, you can either build a catapult, a trebuchet, or a ballista
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_siege_weaponry
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> looks like catapult, trebuchet, and ballista were all used to throw stones
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the large crossbow I only know about from D&D, so it may not have actually existed
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> but it wasn't a seige weapon anyway, it ws artillery
02:47 <Fonkay> #dict Ballista
02:47 <armabot> Fonkay: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Ballista \Bal*lis"ta\, n.; pl. {Ballist[ae]}. [L. ballista, balista, fr. Gr. ba`llein to throw.] An ancient military engine, in the form of a crossbow, used for hurling large missiles. [1913 Webster]; wn: ballista n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, (1 more message)
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
02:48 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #13 until it finishes..
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't it be a slingshot if it threw stones?  ;)
02:49 <Fonkay> well the trebuchet is the only one with the sling, which is what we're building
02:49 <Fonkay> sorry if I'm not making much sense.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> slingshot, where you take a rubber band, stretch it between the two branches of a stick, then pull it back and shoot
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> it shoots in a straight line
02:50 <Fonkay> no
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> see, a sling (and a trebuchet) use the angular momentum of a sling, and the shot goes on a tangent
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> so if a crossbow-shaped device were used to throw rocks, it would look like a really large slingshot
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> a trebuchet uses weights
02:51 <Fonkay> the trebuchet uses counter weight to swing a big arm witha sling on it
02:51 <Your_mom_arma> i cant tell if we're all talking about the same thing
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, comparing ballista to trebuchet?  :)
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> the definition fonkay pulled up for ballista made it sound like a really large slingshot, like what Dennis the Menace carried around, only large and mechanized
02:52 <Fonkay> that's what the ballista is
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then what's a scorpion?
02:52 <Fonkay> A ballista is shaped, and looks like a giant crossbow
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, the only reference for a scorpion that I have is int he Belisarius series
02:53 <Fonkay> but a trebuchet, has a sling, but doesn't work like a slingshot
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> where it sounds like a trebuchet, so it's possible that if it's not completely madeup, a scorpion is just a byzantine trebuchet
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> right, a trebuchet works like a sling, like david vs goliath, that kind of sling
02:53 <Fonkay> kinda, yes
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballista  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
02:55 <Fonkay> The ballista (Latin, from Greek balliste-s, from ballein 'to throw', plural ballistae) was a powerful ancient crossbow, although employing a several loops of twisted skeins to power it using torsion rather than a prod. Early versions ejected heavy darts or spherical stone projectiles of various sizes. It developed into a smaller sniper weapon, the Scorpion.
02:55 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #13 is complete: Failure [failed Compile Distcheck]
02:55 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/13
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> wahahaha
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> failed because I ran out room on the partition
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
02:58 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #14 until it finishes [7m33s]..
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> we need more builds
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what I have to do to build the game under windows?
03:00 <Fonkay> nope
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> me either, otherwise i would have done it already
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> #help m
03:01 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "message $*".
03:02 <Fonkay> TV is evil
03:02 <Fonkay> and i'm hungry
03:03 <Your_mom_arma> #m DrJoeTron http://www.game-warden.com/starfox/
03:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> this buildbot is really neat :)
03:03 <Fonkay> if i knew what is was/did i might agree
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
03:04 <Fonkay> i did my picuter of me in sapce finalyl
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> luci theres some documentation on the wiki about it but its sparse
03:04 <Fonkay> wow
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> it just builds the game.  I'm trying to get it to where it'll run nightly builds of any branch that changed and the trunk
03:04 <Fonkay> i did my picture of me in space finally
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> Fonkay: I saw.  You don't have arms, apparently, how do you play arma?
03:04 <Fonkay> I don't... when the last time you saw me play?
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> apparently before you lost your arms
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> fonkay could play with a ddr pad
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> do we support ddr pads?
03:05 <Fonkay> I type through my mic..
03:05 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #14 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
03:05 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/14
03:06 <Fonkay> although I'm not sure why i spent the money on a mic since i never ever use it
03:06 <Your_mom_arma> i doubt it, but you could set it to emulate keyboard key presses
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh, apparently the trunk is still broke, it doesn't pass distcheck
03:06 <Fonkay> I tried to do arms, but they all looked stupid, so i left them out
03:07 <Fonkay> the whole thing looked much better before i accidently resized it to like 20%, and then blew it back up, and it went all blurry
03:08 <Fonkay> but whatever
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't you use your undo button?
03:08 <Fonkay> pft
03:08 <Fonkay> undo is for pussies
03:09 <GodTodd> undoing something implies you made a mistake ;)
03:09 <Fonkay> I dunno really. cause I didn't think of it? small towns make me drink a lot
03:09 <Fonkay> I replaced smoking with alcoholism
03:09 <Fonkay> w00t
03:10 <Fonkay> but whatevr, it's just a paint picture of me in space, right?
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> sure
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really disappointed the client failed make distcheck
03:11 <GodTodd> #dict sectarian
03:11 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sectarian \Sec*ta"ri*an\, a. Pertaining to a sect, or to sects; peculiar to a sect; bigotedly attached to the tenets and interests of a denomination; as, sectarian principles or prejudices. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Sectarian \Sec*ta"ri*an\, n. One of a sect; a member or adherent of a special school, denomination, or religious or (5 more messages)
03:11 <Fonkay> what's dist?
03:12 <Fonkay> #more
03:12 <armabot> Fonkay: {arbalist}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebuchet}, {trebucket}] [also: {ballistae} (pl)]
03:13 <Fonkay> ballistae, neat
03:13 <Fonkay> #dict trebucket
03:13 <armabot> Fonkay: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: bouvier: TREBUCKET. The name of an engine of punishment, said to be synonymous with tumbrel. (q.v.); gcide: Castigatory \Cas"ti*ga*to*ry\, n. An instrument formerly used to punish and correct arrant scolds; -- called also a {ducking stool}, or {trebucket}. --Blacktone. [1913 Webster]; wn: trebucket n : medieval artillery used during sieges; a (3 more messages)
03:13 <Fonkay> #more
03:13 <armabot> Fonkay: heavy war engine for hurling large stones and other missiles [syn: {catapult}, {arbalest}, {arbalist}, {ballista}, {bricole}, {mangonel}, {onager}, {trebuchet}]; gcide: Trebuchet \Treb"u*chet\, Trebucket \Tre"buck*et\, n. [OF. trebuchet, trebukiet, an engine of war for hurling stones, F. tr['e]buchet a gin, trap, a kind of balance, fr. OF. trebuchier, trebuquier, to stumble, trip, F. (2 more messages)
03:14 <Fonkay> #more
03:14 <armabot> Fonkay: tr['e]bucher.] 1. A cucking stool; a tumbrel. --Cowell. [1913 Webster] 2. A military engine used in the Middle Ages for throwing stones, etc. It acted by means of a great weight fastened to the short arm of a lever, which, being let fall, raised the end of the long arm with great velocity, hurling stones with much force. [1913 Webster] [1913 Webster] 3. A kind of balance for weighing. (1 more message)
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> Fonkay: when you do "make dist" after building the game, a source distribution is created.  so distcheck is another make target that builds a distribution and checks that everything that's needed to build it is there
03:14 <Fonkay> #more
03:14 <armabot> Fonkay: [Obs.] [1913 Webster]
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03:14 <Lucifer_arma> the upshot is that the trunk right now can't be released thataway, the distribution would be incomplete
03:15 <Fonkay> hmmm.
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> see, the buildbot is supposed to keep us sane in places we haven't relaly been able to do so
03:15 <Fonkay> Sure wish i knew more about this sort of thing
03:16 <Fonkay> sanity is good
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> as it is before the buildbot, when someone works ont he game, they can break the build on any platform, and cause other problems, and never notice
03:16 <GodTodd> sanity sucks
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't get noticed until someone else comes along and wants to do work on the platform that was broken
03:16 <Fonkay> oh, ok... makes sense
03:17 <Fonkay> fix one thing, by breaking something else, sounds so much like a computer to me
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> when that person does work, he first has to fix the first guy's problems
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> the motivation here is that the last 4-5 times I'e sat down to work on the sound engine, the build was broke for me and instead of working on the sound engine, I had to get the build working
03:18 <Fonkay> cool, thannk you explaining...My guess in my head wasn't even close.
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> so I found the buildbot, which will build at least once a day on my machine, and I'm encouraging other developers to setup buildslaves for their platforms
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> so we will hopefully find out about these problems and fix them before they prevent someone from doing work
03:19 <Fonkay> why would people be fucking around wiht the sounds engine to begin with?
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> they're not
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> the build was broken for example because nemo's ruby merge happened
03:19 <Fonkay> oh, so them fucking around with everything else is somehow messing up and breaking things on the sound engine
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't build the game until that was fixed.  In that case I didn't mind helping nemo, so it's not as serious a complaint as it might sound.
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, it just makes it so the game doesn't build, and I (nor anybody else) can't do anything if the game doesn't build at all
03:20 <Fonkay> and not only the sound engine, but other things as well
03:20 <Fonkay> ooooooh.
03:20 <Fonkay> sorry, i'm a bit computer illiterate..
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible that someone working in some esoteric part of the game using esoteric tools (vValue, *cough*) could prevent the whole rest of the team from doing anything
03:21 <Fonkay> but i thnk I'm getting it now
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
03:21 <Fonkay> so what the stop is the ability to build?
03:22 <Fonkay> and therefore you can't do things until you're able to build again>
03:22 <Fonkay> ?
03:23 <Fonkay> the long pause is telling me my guess is wrong once again
03:25 <Fonkay> ok
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, I just had to go 'fix' the other computer
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> the other computer is broken 99% of the time because my wife is so completely computer illiterate, but insists otherwise
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> this time I had to turn up the mixer levels so my daughter could get sound
03:28 <Fonkay> ok, i apparently didn't get it at all, now I'm really confused
03:28 <Fonkay> oh well
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> so the buildbot will build the game every day on all supported platforms (at least, on al platforms that have a buildslsave)
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> and if it fails to build, it'll report to us that it failed along with a complete log of the build, and the users who made commits since the last successful build
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll know what happened and a shortlist of people to blame :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> so for example, if it fails to build in Linux, and it's my fault, then I was very inconsiderate because I develop in linux and should have known better
03:30 <Fonkay> blaming people, now that I understand :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> but say it fails to build in windows and it's my fault
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't develop in windows at all!
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> but now I'll be able to see that it failed, why it failed, and even work on fixing it, because you can trigger builds from the web interface
03:30 <Fonkay> woosh
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> so I can get my own work building in Windows before the windows guy has to deal with it
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I give up.  The buildbot is to enforce our rule that the trunk always build.  ANything else we get out of it is just gravy.  :)
03:32 <Fonkay> well, sorry i don't comprehend what you're saying, but i do appreciate your trying to exlpain. that's more than most people would do
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, come right down to it, if you're not involved in the release process, all you really need to know is "it'll help identify problems before they get too serious".  :)
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> This is deep down in the bowels of software development where only developers and build engineers should tread
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> others may find it risky
03:34 <Fonkay> I would find it incomprehensable
03:34 <Fonkay> #dict incomprehensable
03:34 <armabot> Fonkay: No definition for "incomprehensable" could be found.
03:35 <Fonkay> wow, i can't spell
03:36 <Fonkay> i had a hard enough time trying to do ym basic website, which is now unexistent since iceman's dissappearance
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you need hosting I can probably host your website for you
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a high bandwidth connection though, but its the same machine that hosts my website and the arma wiki
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> and teh buildmaster :)
03:44 <Fonkay> well, i'm sure i lost my .net by now as well, and I'm too cheap to pay for it again
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> I could give you fonkay.davefancella.com
03:46 <Fonkay> at least not until i ge more stuff to put on my site, and a little bit more skill in the scri[ting department
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> that would depend on me keeping my domain
03:46 <Fonkay> hehe
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> you could take a free no-ip domain, like fonkay.no-ip.net
03:46 <Fonkay> i would accecpt, btu not without you understand my need for constant supervisoin first
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't provide constant supervision, but I can provide an environment where google can actually help you
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. a webroot, ftp/ssh access, and technical details on what the webserver supports
03:48 <Fonkay> yes, but i don't think your get my real lack of competance here
03:48 <Fonkay> I really suck
03:48 <Fonkay> but i would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind setting it up for me
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, a good alternate is for you to use Drupal instead of doing anything by hand.  :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> I already have a Drupal setup, and you'd just need to read drupal docs, which are unfortunately pretty thin :/
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: are you here right now?
03:56  * luke-jr picked up a PV2 today
03:57 <GodTodd> well put it down before it pees on you...
03:57 <luke-jr> ...
03:58 <GodTodd> ...
03:59 <Your_mom_arma> ...
03:59 <GodTodd> ...!
04:00 <Fonkay> well, i'll look into it a bit more, indie gave a few sites for programming way back when, i'll have to revisit those
04:00  * Fonkay slaps Your_mom_arma around a bit with a large trout
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> uff
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> how could you
04:00 <Fonkay> don't act like you don't like it
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04:00 <Your_mom_arma> your right
04:01 <Fonkay> you're*
04:01 <Fonkay> and i kow i am
04:01 <Fonkay> know
04:04 <Fonkay> ok, i think i shold go to bed before i oass out on my keyboard
04:04 <Fonkay> #night
04:04 <armabot> Good night Fonkay!
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04:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, the 0.2.8 build is going, but I don't know if it's actually building anything useful
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to have to face the possibility that this partition really is too full
04:11 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
04:11 <armabot> spidey: [01:35:40] <GodTodd> nah...i just hadn't seen spidey say that in a while ;)
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04:15 <Durka> #hello
04:15 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Give him an evasive answer.
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with luci --nolimit
04:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:11:27] <Your_mom_arma> luci theres some documentation on the wiki about it but its sparse, [02:47:39] <Your_mom_arma> luci are you talking about compiling arma?, [02:44:04] <Fonkay> other than build bots, what else is new luci, haven't talk to you in a while, [02:34:46] <Fonkay> hiya luci, and [16:41:34] <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
04:20 <GodTodd> #last --with stfu --nolimit
04:20 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 8094 messages.
04:20 <GodTodd> wow...this channel's getting too nice
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it's all those fucking flightgear files I downloaded
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> realistically only luke says stfu, the rest of us woudl rather someone keep talking so we can keep cussing at them
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: your semester done now?
04:21 <GodTodd> well....true
04:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): yeah...got til tuesday off
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't happen to have a) a windows box you can let us use for builds, b) time to setup an arma dev environment on it, and c) time to get buildbot to work on it, would you?
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's potentially 20-40 hours of work, so think very carefully before you volunteer
04:22 <GodTodd> heh
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm trying to get it going under wine, just because if I can get it going under wine, someone else can too
04:22 <GodTodd> what all's involved?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> first install code::blocks.  You have to install from the nightlies for that.  You already have svn installed, hopefully there's a commandline command in there too
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> then you have to get arma building, I suggest using the 0.2.8 branch since that branch is known to work right now
04:23 <GodTodd> building with code::blocks or what?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> basically, after you get all that done, then we have to get a buildbot buildslave on it
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> building with code::blocks
04:23 <GodTodd> hmmm i'd have to read up on code::blocks
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk doesn't build in windows right now, and that's a problem, and there's a lot of stuff involved in getting it building that I don't even want to try right now
04:24 <GodTodd> i have it but i haven't used it
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> you need one of the recent nightly snapshots that doesn't come in a nice self-installer.  If you hae the 1.0 RC, you'd need to update
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm that far in my wine setup, I just need to get the game building now.  :)
04:24 <GodTodd> heh
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, for the buildslave, we need some way to tell it to checkout from svn.  It's theoretically supported under windows, and maybe it really is supported under windows
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that's easier done than said, you know?
04:25 <GodTodd> i know how that goes
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> building should be a matter of calling the commandline code::blocks builder and nsis installer
04:25  * Durka looks for armabuilder!
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'll happily work on that stuff if you can just get a buildslave that works going
04:25 <Durka> armabuilder: danced
04:25 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
04:25 <armabuilder> 0-<
04:26 <armabuilder> 0-/
04:26 <armabuilder> 0-\
04:26 <Durka> :p
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, we're smacck out of iwndows developers.  I suspect joda's going to reappear to say he's on indefinite hiatus.  Even if he doesn't, he's sitll MIA
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> so we only have a part-time windows developer, and that's z-man and he's got so much on his shoulders right now around here that I'd like to get something else going
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> so my alternate plan, while we solicit more windows developers, is to get some machine that can generate windows builds and we can all pitch in and try to keep it building
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter what, imo.  Could be a mingw cross-compiler running in linux, could be code::blocks running in wine, could be someone not attached to the project giving up some cpu time to get us over the hump
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04:28 <GodTodd> http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/2006/08/setting-up-pybots-buildslave.html
04:29 <GodTodd> these instructions good with modifications?
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, they're linux-specific
04:29 <GodTodd> k
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> setting up a buildslave is easy, you just tell it to create one, I give you your user and pass to do it.  :)
04:29 <GodTodd> i'ma keep looking :)
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> getting it to build is harder, and that's work mostly I have to do
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> what you'd need to do is try to get it building from a commandline
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/manual-0.7.5.html  <--- the manual is pretty good
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible that we should go to cygwin for this part
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  maybe it would be better if instead of getting code::blocks under wine I try to get us building under cygwin :)
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> we already support the mingw compiler and api, since that's what code::blocks uses
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn, the build script only build source distributions
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04:47 <Durka> #hello (again)
04:47 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Mac Airways: || The cashiers, flight attendants and pilots all look the same, feel the same || and act the same. When asked questions about the flight, they reply that you || don't want to know, don't need to know and would you please return to your || seat and watch the movie.
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got code::blocks building the game under wine
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> building the 0.2.8 branch
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, now, has anybody built 0.2.8 in windows recently?
04:53 <GodTodd> umm no?
04:53 <arctanx> how many windows users can be bothered building? :P
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> I just want to know if it can be done, and I'm talking about the head of the 0.2.8 branch, not a current release :)
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should try to build a current release?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, doesn't look like we've released off the 0.2.8 branch since before the svn switch
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05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely don't feel like digging into that mess
05:01  * Lucifer_arma wonders if the 0.3.0 tag is good enough for this
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> here we go again, with the 0.3.0 tag
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05:27 <Lucifer_arma> sweet, wine understands .msi files
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, why does it get to eCamera and then bork?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, well, can't build the autopackage, can't get the code::blocks thing to work.  What else should I attempt and fail at?
05:43 <GodTodd> ok...got the buildbot stuff installed at least
05:43 <GodTodd> heh
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> hope that wasn't too painful (it's not painful at all in linux)
05:48 <GodTodd> not bad actually
05:48 <GodTodd> now i'm just figuring out how to do the build manually in win
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> alright, finally went ahead and downloaded a real source tarball, which is supposed to be the sources used to build the release
05:49 <GodTodd> if i do do this it won't be on this machine, however
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't work
05:49 <spidey> #cnn bradford,tn
05:49 <armabot> spidey: Error: No such location could be found.
05:49 <spidey> can armabot get zipcodes?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm running too new a snapshot of code::blocks
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I better get the snapshot joda references on the wiki
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> let me know if you can get it to build :)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> you probably should start with a source release
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe a svn checkout will work for you where it won't work for me because you have a real command interpreter and I have whatever wine gives me
05:53  * Lucifer_arma is considering installing cygwin and using that instead
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> it would be awfully helpful if z-man-work (hi there!) were here to tell me what he used to build the last release :)
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05:54 <Your_mom_arma> not a netsplit?
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05:55 <GodTodd> so...to build...do i need to open a source file with code::blocks and compile and run it?
05:55  * GodTodd hasn't built any games from scratch before :/.
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
05:56 <GodTodd> ahhh RTFW ;)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> the version joda refers to on the wiki isn't available on the download page linked :/
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> could you guys update that page, it seems outdated, and it didnt hold my hand when i tried to build from source and failed(gave up)
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> if I had a working windows build environment, I'd be happy to help
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm on the verge of failing myself
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> mabey step by step instructions for code blocks
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to feel the pain of not having a regular windows developer to maintain shit
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> well, it kind of looked like it was building but then it spit out a bunch of errors
05:59 <arctanx> so someone needs to go through and fix errors?
05:59 <arctanx> or produce a patch or something for windows?
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05:59 <DrJoeTron> hi
06:00 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma, maybe you could answer this
06:00 <Your_mom_arma> perhaps
06:00 <DrJoeTron> since when did republica have a greatest hits album?
06:00 <DrJoeTron> didn't they have like, 1 hit?
06:01 <Your_mom_arma> if you could call it a hit at all
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> mabey its just their tourlist, anthrax relases cd's like that almost every year
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> ummm, hey guys buy our new cd so you can have 5 versions of these 10 songs
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06:05 <DrJoeTr0n> well shit
06:05 <Lucifer_arma_> are they being attacked or something?
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06:06 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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06:09 <DrJoeTr0n> WHO
06:09 <DrJoeTr0n> republica?
06:10 <DrJoeTr0n> oh right
06:10 <DrJoeTr0n> freeciv
06:12 <arctanx> haha this is the only place I've ever seen where people play freeciv
06:12 <arctanx> so cool
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06:12 <Your_mom_arma> was that a joke?
06:12 <custang> #hello
06:12 <armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: Officer: || We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. || Should I have your ship standing by? || Governor Tarkin: || Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you || overestimate their chances.
06:13 <arctanx> Your_mom_arma: nope. It looks like it's fun, I just don't know how to play it
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> no, freenode
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> is freenode being attacked and that's why their servers keep going down
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06:23 <Your_mom_arma> oms only you the bots and j0h4nn3s keep losing connection
06:23 <spidey> #g 5 minutes in seconds
06:23 <armabot> spidey: 5 minutes = 300 seconds
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, oms its everyone losing connection except me, the bots, and j0h4nn3s (hi there!) 
06:27 <custang> hey arctanx did you get my gmail??
06:27 <arctanx> custang: which one?
06:27 <custang> about the settings
06:30 <custang> ok im off to play tron bye
06:30 <custang> #goodbye
06:30 <armabot> Goodbye custang :(
06:30 <custang> :(
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06:30  * arctanx rolls his eyes
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06:32 <Your_mom_arma> hey zman
06:34 <DrJoeTr0n> get out of here custang!
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06:35 <Your_mom_arma> he already left?
06:37  * Durka wants his mom!
06:37 <Durka> _arma!
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> zman: any idea if we can build anything with a reccent code::blocks nightly?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:51  * Lucifer_arma just had an interesting idea
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6776 / (6 files in 4 dirs):
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Moved autopackage build files so "make autopackage" does not think it has
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: nothing to do.
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6777 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/WorkMakefile): More adaptions to autopackage move.
06:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6778 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/README.txt): Added small autopackage notes.
06:54 <zman> Lucifer_arma: No clue. I'm not using a nightly.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> what are you using?  the 1.0rc?
06:54 <zman> yes.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and it works?  heh
06:55 <zman> I'll have to upgrade, though.
06:55 <zman> yes.
06:55  * Lucifer_arma thought we had to use the nightlies for some reason
06:55 <zman> the rc's bison version is too old :(
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> well then, maybe I should install that and go with it :)
06:55 <zman> yes.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> I just want to see proof-of-concept that code::blocks can be used in wine to build with the buildbot
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, for some reason I only get the first letter of each line in the Build log tab
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> is that wine, or is it codeblocks?
07:04 <zman> with the rc? Wine, i'd say.
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> wine is so much fun sometimes :/
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> so VERSION isn't defined in the 0.2.8 branch
07:06 <zman> Isn't it set to plain "CVS"?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'd copy and paste the syntax error from the build log, but you'll only get the first character of each line
07:06 <zman> awwwww
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6779 /armagetronad/trunk/build/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6775 to 6778:
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6778 | z-man | 2007-01-11 06:54:00 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added small autopackage notes.
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6777 | z-man | 2007-01-11 06:53:47 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
07:09 <GodTodd> man...there's a lot of freakin' cpp files here ;)
07:12 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:12 <GodTodd> Linking executable: ..\debug\armagetronad.exe
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL_image.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> mingw32-g++.exe: ..\debug\libSDL_mixer.a: No such file or directory
07:12 <GodTodd> Process terminated with status 1 (46 minutes, 54 seconds)
07:12 <GodTodd> 0 errors, 8 warnings
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> er, it didn't build sdl?
07:18 <GodTodd> appears that way
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to build all the sdl subprojects.  I thought it tracked those dependencies and built them automatically
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> but what do I know?  ;)
07:19 <GodTodd> well...that's an attempt at building 0.2.8
07:19 <GodTodd> for no other reason than i clicked on it first
07:20 <zman> You have to build the whole workspace
07:20 <GodTodd> that's what i did
07:20 <GodTodd> that's why it took 45 mins
07:20 <zman> did you call the makedist.bat?
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:21 <zman> strange, calling that and then building the whole workspace worked for me last time.
07:22 <GodTodd> well...i'm going to do a svn update and try to build the 0.3.0 branch
07:22 <zman> Good luck with that.
07:22 <GodTodd> haha
07:22 <zman> Well, at least, I built that one successfully just yesterday.
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about ready to nix the idea of using code::blocks in wine
07:23 <zman> There, you have to do something different: call update_version.bat, build in code::blocks, then call makedist.bat.
07:23  * Lucifer_arma considers cygwin instead
07:23 <zman> Lucifer_arma: cross compiling isn't quite ideal, either.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> can you call the cygwin batch file and tell it to execute a script or something?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess you missed my rant earlier.  :)
07:24 <zman> If we use cross compilers, that means the windows build files will outdate even more than they do now.
07:24 <zman> Can you give a summary ? :)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it wasn't very long
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically that we don't have a full-time windows developer right now, and it's a serious problem
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm trying to get us some sort of windows build that works
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> it was just framed differently :)
07:25 <GodTodd> ahh but windows users aren't important anyway, why worry? ;)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, cross-compiling isn't quite there for the reason you mentioned, which was why I was pursuing trying to build with our regular windows build environment in wine
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell do you get codeblocks to execute and build something from the commandline?
07:27 <zman> No clue.
07:27 <GodTodd> got me...i'm using the gui
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it just uses msys internally though, right?  So if I can get msys by itself to build, then I'm good?  errr, maybe not
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, to script it, it has to run from the command line :)
07:29 <GodTodd> spoilsport :P
07:29 <GodTodd> heh
07:30 <zman> Maybe we should ask K how he did the nightly builds he was doing?
07:32 <GodTodd> http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Code::Blocks_command_line_arguments
07:41 <GodTodd> is this the right checkout path? svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk trunk
07:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i think it is
07:47 <GodTodd> ok it's working now :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> aha
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you build it with one of the nightlies, by any chance?
07:57 <GodTodd> ummm...dunno?
07:57 <GodTodd> i suppose the answer is no because i'd probably know for sure if i had :)
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, did you install code::blocks with a self-instlaling executable?
07:59 <luke-jr> what's a good price for a volt meter?
07:59 <GodTodd> it was a while ago...but i'm sure i did
07:59 <GodTodd> luke-jr:): free
07:59 <GodTodd> :D
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: I paid $5 for mine 8 years ago
07:59 <luke-jr> ...
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> the fuse blew so I stuck some metal in there to short it and it works fine
07:59 <luke-jr> lol
07:59 <luke-jr> I imagine the fuse had a purpose :p
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> "had" a purpose
08:00 <luke-jr> unless it was "idiot-proofing"
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: the 1.0rc doesn't support the commandline argument needed to run the build from within a buildslave
08:00 <luke-jr> that doesn't count as a purpose in my books
08:01 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma:): hmmmm
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what it will take to get arma building with a recent nightly of codeblocks?  :/
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm giving up on doing it from within linux for now
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> that has to be how k was doing it, though
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> unless he had some other magical system he was using without mentioning it to anybody
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> a simple batch file to do it is all it would have taken thataway
08:04 <spidey> hmm
08:04 <spidey> insta kill is bad
08:04 <luke-jr> PV2?
08:04 <spidey> i've got it down to where i can do it all the time
08:05 <spidey> pv2?
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08:05 <Lucifer_arma> pre-victory 2, since he's always "about to win"
08:05 <luke-jr> PV2 is a $20 digicam :p
08:07 <luke-jr> if you build a cable...
08:07 <luke-jr> and mess w/ the firmware
08:07 <luke-jr> :o
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> which is why you need a voltmeter?
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe if the project files were updated to a recent code::blocks, it would build in linux
08:09 <luke-jr> cuz my cable doesn't appear to work
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> -------------- Build: Win32 Release in SDL ---------------
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Compiling: ..\..\SDL\VisualC\SDL\Version.rc
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 1 seconds)
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2 errors, 0 warnings
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> windres.exe: supported targets: pe-i386 pei-i386 elf32-i386 elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary 
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Usage: windres.exe [option(s)] [input-file] [output-file]
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> windres.exe: invalid option -- J
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> do we absolutely have to build sdl in windows?  Is there any reason we can't just use the binary sdl distribution?
08:29 <arctanx> spidey has insta problems! :o :P
08:29 <spidey> heh
08:29 <spidey> well
08:29 <spidey> i know how to cause a instant kill
08:30 <spidey> i can do it everytime, but it's not myfault
08:30 <spidey> the way i play, i turn so fast my bike warps on my screen
08:30 <spidey> then if someone touches my wall in that spot or while i'm warping they get instant killed :p
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> disable your cheats--problem solved!
08:31 <spidey> ...
08:31 <spidey> ok mr ~*SP*~PsYkO
08:31 <spidey> :p
08:31 <arctanx> hehe
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> he ch34ts!  h3'5 a c434t3r!
08:33 <spidey> ...
08:33 <spidey> that's not even 1337 speak
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> |= \_/ C |+ you!
08:33 <spidey> lol
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh well.  I'e seen someone spell out fuck you thataway before
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> ah, duh
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> |= \_/ C |< YOU!
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> the autopackage didn't build
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> make[6]: Entering directory `/home/share/Projects/armagetronad/build/ap-client/src/swig'
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> make[6]: *** No rule to make target `ext/armagetronad/tools/tools.i', needed by `../../src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tools_wrap.cxx'.  Stop.
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
08:37 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #15 until it finishes [7m20s]..
08:41 <Durka> armabuilder: dance
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-<
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-/
08:41 <armabuilder> 0-\
08:41 <Durka> :D
08:41 <spidey> armabuilder, 
08:41 <spidey> what's it do?
08:41 <arctanx> I built arma on linux the other day
08:42 <arctanx> Unfortunately I can't run it, since I can't get glx to work
08:45 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #15 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
08:45 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/15
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, armabuilder is *not* durka's toy
08:50 <Durka> wtf no!!!!
08:50 <Durka> #luke
08:50 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/  <--- armabuilder is the irc arm of this program
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:03 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:04 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-client
09:06 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-client #16 until it finishes [7m30s]..
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
09:06 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #14 until it finishes [3m24s]..
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-server
09:18 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-server: building(compiling) [ETA 3 seconds]
09:18 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #14 is complete: Success [build successful]
09:18 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/14
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-client
09:19 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-client: building(distchecking) [ETA 33 seconds]
09:20 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-client #16 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
09:20 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-client/builds/16
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5*60
09:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 5 * 60 = 300
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status armagetron-linux-server
09:40 <armabuilder> armagetron-linux-server: idle, last build 1306 secs ago: build successful
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
09:41 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #15 until it finishes..
09:45 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #15 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
09:45 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/15
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6780 /support/buildbot/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6781 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
09:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6782 /support/buildbot/buildslave/: Creating buildbot hierarchy
10:02 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6783 /support/buildbot/buildslave/ (Makefile buildbot.tac): Added buildslave config files
10:05 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6784 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/ (5 files): Buildbot master, where all the factories are kept
10:22 <z-man-work> That's a strange failure, it didn't even try to run the server
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10:24 <Lucifer_arma> it is running in a user account, not root, so, ummmm
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> you might checkout the buildmaster stuff I just committed and look over the buildsteps and make sure I did it right :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> I just restarted the buildmaster to use the svn checkout, even
10:25 <z-man-work> installcheck should run as a regular user.
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I can update it easily :)
10:25 <z-man-work> You don't suppose I'm using root to test stuff?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose not :)
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, now it won't build branches again for some reason
10:35 <z-man-work> Found the issue. a) You shouldn't disable all that stuff you do disable, like --disable-sysinstall.
10:36 <z-man-work> b) the tests should know that without sysinstall, old configuration migration will not work and therefore not test for it.
10:38 <z-man-work> Of course, I'll adapt the tests.
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
10:42 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #17 until it finishes..
10:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6785 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Adapted installcheck target to possible absence of sysinstall script.
10:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6786 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Reformatted the config file a bit to make it more readable
10:47 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #17 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
10:47 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/17
10:52 <z-man-work> The distcheck failure seems to be that the build system tries to remake files when it shouldn't. I'll have a look.
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> grrr.  I had it building the branch last night, but it wouldn't build the trunk.  Maybe I need to just make separate builders for the branch and the trunk.
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch armagetron-linux-server
11:01 <armabuilder> watching build armagetron-linux-server #20 until it finishes [2m25s]..
11:05 <armabuilder> Hey! build armagetron-linux-server #20 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck Installcheck]
11:05 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/armagetron-linux-server/builds/20
11:09 <Durka> #night
11:09 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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11:19 <z-man-work> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/01/seti-riaa-sues-aliens.html
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-server
11:22 <armabuilder> watching build linux-server #2 until it finishes..
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> riaa probably just looked around their offices and figured out the search for intelligence was damned important
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> is bbspot a joke site?  :)
11:24 <z-man-work> hehe
11:24 <z-man-work> One minute is not bad. Check out the mailbags.
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so, does make test actually run tests, if we had any?  i.e. is it safe to add that step and when the tests materialize they'll just get run?
11:27 <z-man-work> Make test where?
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
11:27 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #1 until it finishes..
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> as a build step
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> probably before distcheck
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> 'make test' is listed in the buildbot docs as running tests, and indicated as a gnu standard thing.  Since we use gnu automake and crap, seems like it exists in our makefiles
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, it looks like it's running the branch build now, that's good
11:28 <z-man-work> Hmm, but it fails for me.
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> so apparently I've got it building the trunk and the branch now
11:29 <z-man-work> I'm quite sure the GNU docs say "if tests exist, make test runs them"
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll check the automake docs for the test target :)
11:29 <z-man-work> I don't have a test target.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> what happens if tests don't exist, though?  Maybe we should have a "hello, world!" test :)
11:29 <z-man-work> We probably should add it and make it run installcheck for now.
11:30 <spidey> #dict pagination
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Tests.html#Tests
11:30 <armabot> spidey: wn and gcide responded: wn: pagination n : the system of numbering pages [syn: {folio}, {page number}, {paging}]; gcide: Pagination \Pag`i*na"tion\ (p[a^]j`[i^]*n[=a]"sh[u^]n), n. The act or process of paging a book; also, the characters used in numbering the pages; page number. --Lowndes. [1913 Webster]
11:30  * spidey pokes armabot
11:31 <z-man-work> WTF? Exit status 77?
11:32 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-server #2 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:32 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/2
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> distcheck is failing for a stupid reason, I think
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/2/step-Distcheck/0
11:34 <z-man-work> I'd say so, too.
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> installcheck passed, at least :)
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
11:34 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #1 until it finishes..
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I"m already watching it
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's off 0.2.8
11:35 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:35 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/1
11:35 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #1 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
11:35 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/1
11:39 <z-man-work> What's that for a stupid reason not to support something?
11:39  * z-man-work is off for lunch
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> ?  *confused*
11:41 <z-man-work> The build log:
11:41 <z-man-work> svn: Path '..' ends in '..', which is unsupported for this operation
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I thought it was a stupid reason for the check to fail because afaik, it's buildbot doing that stuff
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's not, maybe we've got a real mistake to fix :)
11:44 <z-man-work> It's not, it's something make distcheck does.
11:44 <z-man-work> I can't explain why that didn't fail before, the path always ends with .. there.
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> svn version, maybe?
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> dave@localhost:~$ svn --version
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma>    compiled Aug  2 2006, 13:51:17
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> I went to the buildslave's actual checkout and ran make distcheck, but I had to configure first, and then it decided to rebuild the whole damn thing
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not a buildbot problem, though, I won't worry about it right now.  I'm trying to get buildbot to actually give us the right errors/warnings :)
11:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6787 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Replaced appending .. with call to dirname. Doesn't work in all situations, but the result doesn't matter much anyway.
11:47 <z-man-work> It's not a buildbot problem :)
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:58  * Lucifer_arma just hopes the buildbot will be able to find this kind of stuff in the long term
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> haha, you triggered a build with that
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> you can ignore the broken thing that's there for now, I suspect the build broke because I was in there doing make distcheck and the two collided
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> permissions are all screwed up, so it can't delete the old stuff when it does something :/
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, oops
12:07 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6788 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/NEWS: spurious commit
12:08 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6789 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/NEWS: spurious commit
12:11 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6790 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/ (buildbot.tac master.cfg support/ support/__init__.py): Adding module for buildbot config
12:12 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6791 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/support/svnparser.py: Added svnparser file
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12:20 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6792 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/support/svnparser.py: Added test to svnparser function to make sure it aactually parses like it should
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's interesting
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was half expecting iceman to post with "What do you guys think I am, some kind of nut?"
12:30 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6793 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Another spurious commit
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12:34 <z-man-work> south america, hmm.
12:34 <z-man-work> I'd like to imagine he's enjoing a cold drink on a hot beach :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that sounds nice :)
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> why the server build, but not the client?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it's just building over and over!  oops
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> I guess my svn file split function works now
12:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6794 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Readjusted settings to a 10 minute poll and stable interval
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> why does make distcheck rebuild the whole thing?  has it always done this?
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: commands
12:49 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop
12:49 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop linux-server I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!
12:50 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> try 'stop build WHICH <REASON>'
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:50 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> build 6 interrupted
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: stop build linux-server "I'm satisfied it works after 3 consecutive builds!"
12:51 <armabuilder> sorry, no build is currently running
12:52 <z-man-work> Yes, distcheck has to rebuild everything. It's basically "make dist; untar; cd result; ./configure; make"
12:52 <z-man-work> oh, and "make dist; compare new result with original"
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok.  So again, no buildbot problem :)
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I say buildbot is working fine now.  I'd like to see a trunk build triggered, though.
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> and a hello world test program added so I can add make test, but that's no big deal yet.  :)
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
12:54 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #5 until it finishes..
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> but the branch builds I triggered appear to be running fine, so just need a trunk build triggered to see that it runs fine
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> no armabot messages now?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
12:56 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6795 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Another spurious commit
12:56 <armabot> pong
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> I like that the waterfall tells you which revision it built, too
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> so if somebody else breaks the build, you can go down and find the last good build and check that out and keep working
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> probably can't commit until the build is fixed, in that case
12:59 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #5 is complete: Success [build successful]
12:59 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/5
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now let's see the trunk commit trigger a build and have it be successful :)
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13:01 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, the standing rule is to build with CODELEVEL=3 or something like that, but I set the buildbot up to not do that yet
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> any reason I shouldn't add that?
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, neat.  It looks like the trunk build is triggered, now it just wants to see the stable tree interval pass before it builds
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13:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6796 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated MacOS build instructions
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that change triggered a build too
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll set the interval to more like 2 hours
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*60*60
13:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2 * 60 * 60 = 7,200
13:24 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6797 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Set poll interval to 2 hours and removed what are hopefully spurious schedulers
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: trunk still fails make distcheck :)
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6798 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated MacOS build instructions (forgot to add in SWIG)
13:27 <z-man-work> of course. I need to merge the fixes and can't do it from here
13:27 <z-man-work> I'll be home in some minutes.
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> no biggee.  I'm just showing off my new toy is all.  :)
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13:35 <Lucifer_arma> hi dave
13:35 <dave> hi
13:36 <dave> 1st time here what r the commands?
13:36 <dave> or where can i find them?
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> same as in arma
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> you're not iceman by any chance, are you?
13:38 <dave> no I'm not sorry
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-server
13:40 <armabuilder> watching build linux-server #9 until it finishes [19 seconds]..
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: watch linux-client
13:40 <armabuilder> watching build linux-client #7 until it finishes [4m23s]..
13:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-server #9 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
13:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/9
13:41 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #7 is complete: Failure [failed Distcheck]
13:41 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/7
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14:10 <zman> # another spurious commit, hope this doesn't cause a conflict with the one in 0.2.8
14:10 <zman> it did :)
14:15 <arctanx> have you guys broken cvs arma or something
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6799 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: (log message trimmed)
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6778 to 6798:
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6787 | z-man | 2007-01-11 11:47:03 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  Replaced appending .. with call to dirname. Doesn't work in all situations, but the result doesn't matter much anyway.
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6785 | z-man | 2007-01-11 10:43:47 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6800 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/Makefile.manual): fingerprint now also supports svk and has a safe fallback.
14:23 <zman> arctanx: no, not really.
14:23 <zman> at least, not recently.
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6801 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.manual:
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6798 to 6800:
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6800 | z-man | 2007-01-11 14:23:34 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  fingerprint now also supports svk and has a safe fallback.
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:25 <zman> We're in a "Lucifer installed an automatic build bot and we're fixing all the bugs that have accumulated" frenzy.
14:26  * spidey just wrote a 60 line php script that's nothing more than a waste of desktop space >.<
14:27 <spidey> maybe not
14:27 <spidey> 1 bug caused 13 errors o.o
14:27 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/test.php   :D
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> #night
14:29 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'll check the waterfall when I wake up and see how it went :)
14:46 <spidey> #g 1906 - 1827
14:46 <armabot> spidey: 1,906 - 1,827 = 79
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14:48 <H_A_K> hi all
14:49 <spidey> hi
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14:49 <spidey> o.O
14:56 <spidey> #dict depict
14:56 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Depict \De*pict"\ (d[-e]*p[i^]kt"), p. p. [L. depictus, p. p. of depingere to depict; de- + pingere to paint. See {Paint}, and cf. {Depaint}, p. p.] Depicted. --Lydgate. [1913 Webster]; wn: depict v 1: show in, or as in, a picture; "This scene depicts country life"; "the face of the child is rendered with much tenderness in this painting" (4 more messages)
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15:34 <spidey> hey it's that one guy...
15:35 <DarkStar> hey it's that thing....
15:36 <spidey> :p
15:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6802 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed warinigs of "find".
15:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6803 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: Fixed stuff. I hope. I don't know half of the batch file stuff used here. I don't know what external change triggered the failures.
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6804 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am): Prevent automake from wanting to rebuild aa_config.h.in in a distrubution build.
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6805 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Beautified? Some invisible whitespace must have changed.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6806 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Added vParser.cpp to the distribution files so our users don't need GNU Bison 2.2.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6807 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am): Added SWIG interface files to the distribution.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6808 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am): Added missing header files to distribution.
15:50 <DarkStar> #ping
15:50 <armabot> pong
15:50 <DarkStar> so i'm still there ><
15:50 <spidey> are not
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6809 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (Makefile.am Makefile.manual):
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6800 to 6803:
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6802 | z-man | 2007-01-11 15:46:51 +0100 (Thu, 11 Jan 2007) | 2 lines
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed warinigs of "find".
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6810 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/Makefile.am):
15:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6811 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Worked around false GCC warnings about unitialized variables. Bah.
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6812 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/ (8 files):
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed profile compile target, it was useless.
15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Set all projects to compile debug and release binaries.
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16:01 <z-manuel> #later
16:02 <spidey> lol
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16:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/HIM/rubber/pwn-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by HIM
16:08 <DarkStar> him...
16:08 <DarkStar> isn't that a band?
16:09 <spidey> what?
16:09 <DarkStar> you know...
16:09 <DarkStar> music...
16:09 <spidey> what's music?
16:18 <k3nNy> xD
16:18 <k3nNy> you never listen to music spidey?
16:18 <spidey> lmao
16:19 <GodTodd> music hasn't made it to backwoods tennessee yet ;)
16:20 <k3nNy> heh
16:21 <spidey> .......
16:21 <k3nNy> strong words :)
16:24 <spidey> If you fire burst shots with an assault rifle, you'll greatly increase accuracy and range.
16:32 <spidey> we have the httaccess files loaded up and they are still getting in, where or what else do we need?
16:32 <spidey> "rename _.htaccess to .htaccess"
16:32 <spidey> >.<
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6813 / (/ armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am): Added generated wrappers to distribution. I thought this was automatic. Anyway, "make distcheck" should now work.
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: help
16:50 <armabuilder> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: commands
16:50 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: help force
16:50 <armabuilder> Usage: force build <which> <reason> - Force a build
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: list
16:50 <armabuilder> try 'list builders'
16:50 <z-man> armabuilder: list builders
16:50 <armabuilder> Configured builders: linux-client linux-server 
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: status
16:51 <armabuilder> linux-client: idle, last build 11383 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:51 <armabuilder> linux-server: idle, last build 6290 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: hello
16:51 <armabuilder> yes?
16:51 <z-man> grr
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: source
16:51 <armabuilder> My source can be found at http://buildbot.sourceforge.net/
16:51 <z-man> armabuilder: watch
16:51 <armabuilder> try 'watch <builder>'
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: watch linux-client
16:52 <armabuilder> there are no builds currently running
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: last
16:52 <armabuilder> last build [linux-client]: 11459 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:52 <armabuilder> last build [linux-server]: 6367 secs ago: failed Distcheck
16:52 <z-man> armabuilder: help commands
16:53 <armabuilder> Usage: commands - List available commands
16:53 <z-man> #chatlogs
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16:57 <z-man> #last with davefancella
16:57 <armabot> z-man: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
16:57 <z-man> #last --with davefancella
16:57 <armabot> z-man: [17:04:28] <z-man> #last with davefancella
16:57 <z-man> #last --with davefancella --nolimit
16:57 <armabot> z-man: [17:04:36] <z-man> #last --with davefancella, [17:04:28] <z-man> #last with davefancella, [13:49:00] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/7, [13:48:36] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-server/builds/9, [13:06:31] <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux- (4 more messages)
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17:01 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client
17:01 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
17:02 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client Isn't 'because I say so' enough?
17:02 <armabuilder> Something bad happened (see logs): exceptions.ValueError
17:02 <z-man> armabuilder: force linux-client testing distcheck
17:02 <armabuilder> try 'force build WHICH <REASON>'
17:03 <z-man> armabuilder: force build linux-client testing distcheck
17:03 <armabuilder> build forced [ETA 16m08s]
17:03 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6815 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: Grr. Made it so that the format of MAJOR_VERSION always is right.
17:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6816 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (network/nNetwork.cpp win32/config_common.h): Only nNetwork.cpp now includes version.h. No more full rebuilds!
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6817 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ (ArmagetronAd.cbp Dedicated.cbp Master.cbp): Disabled profile target.
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6818 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.workspace: Changed project order so whole workspace building works out of the box.
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17:22 <armabuilder> Hey! build linux-client #8 is complete: Success [build successful]
17:22 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-client/builds/8
17:23 <spidey> #g 125(10 + 10^2) /1024
17:23 <armabot> spidey: (125 * (10 + (10^2))) / 1,024 = 13.4277344
17:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ping
17:40 <spidey> actually nvm, i'll figure it out when i get home :D
17:43 <wrtlprnft> phew
17:43 <wrtlprnft> don't need to update my server's kernel
18:01 <spidey> heh
18:02 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
18:02 <spidey> is there a way i can strip a string of characters from a page with php?
18:03 <wrtlprnft> $the_string = '';
18:03 <wrtlprnft> that's how you strip the string of all characters
18:03 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/test/?ip=
18:03 <spidey> i'm looking to striip those 3 lines
18:04 <spidey> because i can't  find where the var/function is in the script
18:04 <spidey> i'm guessing that data comes stright from the soldat server :/
18:04 <spidey> ok i gotta go test now :D
18:04 <wrtlprnft> i won't even know what you want to strip
18:04 <spidey> New Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:BravoNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Ty
18:04 <spidey> New Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:AlphaNew Team Type:Alpha
18:04 <spidey> that
18:07 <wrtlprnft> i don't know in what format you have the data :P
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18:12 <epsy> hi :)
18:13 <wrtlprnft> hi
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12:07 <z-man> Yay! Got a running armagetronad_dedicated.exe with wine.
12:07 <z-man> Only, it's not listening to keyboard input or network messages.
12:18 <k3nNy> :)
12:19 <k3nNy> i used to try like all games with wine too :)
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> building with codeblocks under wine, you mean?  Or just running a windows executable under wine?
12:24  * Lucifer_arma points out it is possible he somehow managed to get an assembler installed that was incompatible with the c compiler being used by his wine/codeblocks installation
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, is building with codeblocks under wine to be considered equivalent to building natively in windows?
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: any idea why your buildslave is connecting and disconnecting approximately every 20 minutes?
12:28 <z-man> Building with codeblocks under wine
12:28 <z-man> Only two things don't work:
12:29 <z-man> the output. I also only get the first character of the build log. The build message window is fine.
12:29 <z-man> Windres.exe can't handle anything. I had to remove the resource files from the project to get anywhere.
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> dave@localhost:/home/share/programs/buildbot-0.7.5/testslave$ wine --version
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> Wine 0.9.20
12:30 <z-man> and yes, if everything works, I'd consider it equivalent.
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> I had the same problem with windres.exe.  It is, unfortunately, what puts the icon in the execcutable
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, testing the binary under genuine windows is needed.  :)
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> Alternately, a diff of a release binary and a build binary built with the same versions of everything might be interesting
12:30 <z-man> for full releases, yes, obviously.
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12:31 <z-man> My wine is 0.9.22
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> wine is such a neat project
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> were you using a recent codeblocks nightly?
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because sometime after the 1.0rc, they added this stuff:
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> Usage: codeblocks [-h] [-ns] [-d] [-nc] [--prefix <str>] [-p <str>] [--profile <str>] [--rebuild] [--build] [--target <str>] [--no-batch-window-close] [--batch-build-notify] [filename(s)...]
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> which is what we need to run a buildslave
12:33 <z-man> I know. But my regular builds on real Windows are done with the rc, so that's what I installed in Wine for now.
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> right.  always use what you know works somewheres else first.  :)
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> so I should probably blow out my mingw and codeblocks installations from wine and start over
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm going to keep chasing that dog.  I've become more interested in using codeblocks to cross-compile.  The cross-compiler is the same target and gcc versions as the stable mingw and msys release
12:35 <custang> bye
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> so it should theoretically produce executables that are identical to codeblocks running natively in windows
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12:37 <Lucifer_arma> umm, also, we should really think about converting the batch files to python scripts
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> from the developer's point of view, there's no difference.  Install python and run these scripts.  But it should make it easier for us to maintain windows building from linux
12:42 <z-man> right, definitely. I had a hard time yesterday getting update_version.bat to work
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> wow, it appears to be cross-compiling the dedicated server
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> umm, where does it put the binary when it's done building?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> hm
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that cross-compiling with codeblocks is a viable solution now
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to change the compiler in every project file.  :/
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13:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
13:59 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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14:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/bigsquare-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
14:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6838 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Disabled multithreaded network reads.
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14:57 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6839 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Updating MacOS project
14:59 <[dlh]> armabuilder: commands
14:59 <armabuilder> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, source, status, stop, version, watch
15:00 <[dlh]> armabuilder: help force
15:00 <armabuilder> Usage: force build <which> <reason> - Force a build
15:00 <[dlh]> armabuilder: force build macosx-client do it
15:00 <armabuilder> build forced [ETA 2m27s]
15:00 <armabuilder> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
15:03 <armabuilder> Hey! build macosx-client #11 is complete: Success [build successful]
15:03 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/11
15:03 <[dlh]> hmm, my bot keeps disconnecting/connecting… maybe there is a setting or something.
15:04 <[dlh]> my slave*
15:05 <madmax|pt> exit
15:05 <madmax|pt> er
15:07 <spidey> http://i2.neoseeker.com/neo_image/139827/article/nvslitesting/slipiece.jpg
15:07 <spidey> SLI ram?
15:10 <Compn> doesnt look like ram
15:10 <Compn> no memory chips on it
15:10 <Compn> ;p
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15:47 <spidey> #g $15 / 2112gb/month
15:47 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6840 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/Armagetron.cbp: Removed optimization from debug build.
15:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6841 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Added armagetronad-0.3_alpha6838.macosx.dmg
15:56 <armabot>  Executed 'test'
15:56 <[dlh]> w00t, my automatic release worked (so it seems)
16:00 <[dlh]> now only if beta.armagetronad.net would update, so I could see if it worked (stares at luke-jr)
16:01 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6842 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Rakefile: Added tasks to deploy a release to beta.armagetronad.net
16:02 <luke-jr> [dlh]: why are you staring at me? wrtl runs armabot
16:03 <[dlh]> Is it still updating automatically, or does it need manual intervention?
16:03 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: 
16:05 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6843 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Rakefile: Update releases.php before messing with it
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6844 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Added release:deploy step to automatically upload to beta.armagetronad.net
16:11 <[dlh]> armabuilder: help watch
16:11 <armabuilder> Usage: watch <which> - announce the completion of an active build
16:11 <[dlh]> armabuilder: watch macosx-client
16:11 <armabuilder> watching build macosx-client #13 until it finishes [0 seconds]..
16:12 <[dlh]> Lucifer_arma: can you update the config for the buildbot?
16:18 <spidey> #g 800kbps in kb/s
16:18 <armabot> spidey: 800 kbps = 800 kilobits / second
16:19 <spidey> that's not what i wanted >.<
16:19 <spidey> #g 800 kbits/s in kb/s
16:19 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:19 <spidey> 'er
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16:27 <armabuilder> Hey! build macosx-client #13 is complete: Success [build successful]
16:27 <armabuilder> Build details are at http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/13
16:28 <madmax|pt> [dlh]: should ruby be in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced/current/ruby ?
16:28 <[dlh]> oops, I need to do another release of the frameworks -- I moved it there yesterday.
16:28 <madmax|pt> ah
16:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6845 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added /Library/…/include/ruby to Header search path.
16:34 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6846 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: You no longer need a separate ruby installed to $HOME/Library/ruby/1.8 -- everything should be self-contained in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced/current
16:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6847 / (/ support/svnmerge/commit): Fixed typo
16:40 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: dunno exactly where it fails
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #showhandlers
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16:41 <wrtlprnft> #list CIA
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, armabotupdater, wikiupdater, test, aabetaupdate, wormuxnotify
16:41 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: I updated http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/libs/
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '', Performs action of type: '', On channel: , Details: 
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
16:42 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate www/beta cmd 'ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net'
16:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
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16:45 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate www/beta cmd 'ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net'
16:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: try now
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6848 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: blah, test commit.
16:47 <armabot>  Executed 'test'
16:48 <[dlh]> hmm, didn't do it — right?
16:51 <wrtlprnft> test? o_O
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #describe test
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: test: Matches on 'aabeta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad
16:52 <wrtlprnft> it's doing something…
16:52 <wrtlprnft> did it update?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> executed the command manually
16:53 <[dlh]> no, aabeta still isn't updated
16:54 <wrtlprnft> then it's luke-jr's fault
16:59 <[dlh]> there it goes, finally...
17:00 <madmax|pt> sooo... that first menu is in ruby?
17:01 <[dlh]> yes, I should probably disable that…
17:02 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft: i think sumo bar is broken o_O
17:02 <madmax|pt> "Map load failure"
17:03 <wrtlprnft> sec
17:03 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: you got it built?
17:03 <madmax|pt> yeah it works
17:03 <[dlh]> okay :)
17:04 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: works fine for me
17:04 <wrtlprnft> it's a default map, anyways
17:04 <madmax|pt> hm, it doesnt work, but on trunk
17:05 <madmax|pt> on .2.8 is ok
17:05 <madmax|pt> "Root node is not of type 'Resource' but 'World'"
17:06 <wrtlprnft> let me update my client then
17:06 <[dlh]> I get the same thing with trunk.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> do other sumo maps work?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> probably my fault
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17:06 <madmax|pt> team sumo works
17:06 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:06 <wrtlprnft> does the default fortress map work?
17:07 <madmax|pt> cafe yes
17:08 <wrtlprnft> weird
17:08 <wrtlprnft> let me compile the latest rev
17:10 <z-man> Is this Windows + a map using vValues?
17:11 <z-man> That
17:11 <z-man> That's currently broken.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> how can a map use vValues?
17:12 <z-man> Don't ask me. Can it?
17:13 <z-man> Triggering vValue use would be enough.
17:13 <z-man> All I know is that vValue parsing does not work at all currently in Windows.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> does your sumo map use vValues? ;)
17:15 <z-man> Mine? certainliy not.
17:15 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:15 <wrtlprnft> the problem is a dtd one :s
17:19 <wrtlprnft> i don't understand sortresources.py, it seems to ignore those special comments
17:19 <wrtlprnft> in DTDs
17:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: Lucifer_arma: does one of you know how i can get sortresources.py to put a dtd in the right spot?
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17:28 <epsy> hi
17:28 <madmax|pt> hi
17:28 <epsy> ehm, is htere an option for hud_map gb color or i should just hack it?
17:29 <epsy> *bg color
17:30 <wrtlprnft> epsy: edit the cockpit file
17:30 <epsy> it's in k
17:30 <epsy> the map behaviour?
17:30 <epsy> ah
17:30 <epsy> i remmeber these screenshots
17:30 <epsy> :)
17:30 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:31 <wrtlprnft> and wtf is edge
17:31 <epsy> ..
17:31 <epsy> err
17:31 <epsy> cant find a link for that
17:31 <epsy> ...
17:31 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge
17:31 <wrtlprnft> which one?
17:32 <epsy> none of them...
17:32 <epsy> maybe...
17:33 <epsy> *edje
17:33 <epsy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Foundation_Libraries#Edje
17:33 <epsy> the desc isn't really complete but it's the most...
17:34 <madmax|pt> Do AIs read how much rubber the player still has and play according to that?
17:35 <epsy> yeah, see what happens when you set rubber on 0...
17:35 <epsy> they turn when rubber is approaching from the max value...
17:37 <madmax|pt> hm, im saying that... for instance, if you have only 2 rubber left to spend, and the AI that is closing your wall has 10 for example, he only grinds about 2 and that will still kill you
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17:48 <z-man> madmax|pt: no, they're not that clever.
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17:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no clue how sortresources works
17:49 <z-man> err, I should have a clue, I guess.
17:49 <z-man> what is the problem?
17:50 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nothing has changed on my end of the aabeta updating-- last I checked, there was a specific user for armabot
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17:51 <luke-jr> z-man: [16:22:55] <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: Lucifer_arma: does one of you know how i can get sortresources.py to put a dtd in the right spot?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, there's a resource.dtd in resource/proto
17:51 <wrtlprnft> i want it to be both resource-0.3.1-a.dtd and resource.dtd in the end
17:52 <wrtlprnft> *in resource/included
17:53 <luke-jr> erm
17:53 <luke-jr> there should never be a 'resource.dtd'
17:53 <wrtlprnft> there is a map.dtd
17:53 <wrtlprnft> and a cockpit.dtd, for that matter
17:53 <luke-jr> only in Svn builds
17:54 <wrtlprnft> we're talking about svn builds here
17:54  * luke-jr took 'in the end' to mean a release
17:54 <wrtlprnft> in the end == after “make”
17:55  * luke-jr suspects sortresources can't do it
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18:10 <[dlh]_> grrr, buildbot is doing a full rebuild every time.
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18:15 <luke-jr> so what?
18:15 <luke-jr> our builds aren't *that* bad
18:15 <luke-jr> it's not like KDE or such
18:16 <deja_vu> hey luke-jr :)
18:16 <luke-jr> what
18:16 <deja_vu> hello. :P
18:17 <luke-jr> hi
18:17 <luke-jr> you use Gentoo?
18:18 <deja_vu> debian
18:18 <luke-jr> o
18:18 <luke-jr> lame
18:18 <luke-jr> :p
18:18 <deja_vu> :P
18:18 <luke-jr> need people to test out the armagetronad-live pkg
18:18 <luke-jr> it builds from Svn
18:18 <deja_vu> maybe i would give it a try if i had more time ;)
18:23 <epsy> luke-jr, ?
18:23 <luke-jr> epsy: you're already a tester :p
18:23 <epsy> :P
18:23 <luke-jr> epsy: btw, does it update nicely?
18:23 <epsy> ..
18:23 <luke-jr> should show up whenever you do -u worl
18:23 <luke-jr> should show up whenever you do -u world
18:24 <epsy> damn i didn't upgraded since i installed gentoo lol
18:30 <epsy> Calculating world dependencies |
18:30 <epsy> ...
18:30 <epsy> zzz
18:34 <luke-jr> ROFL
18:34 <luke-jr> you should probably do it in 3 steps then XD
18:34 <spidey> OMGLUKESUX!!!
18:34 <luke-jr> -u world
18:34 <luke-jr> -uD world
18:34 <luke-jr> -uDN world
18:35 <epsy> of course is used that :P
18:35 <epsy> *i used
18:35 <epsy> it's in list...
18:36 <epsy> lol 7 blocks...
18:36 <luke-jr> epsy: used that?
18:38 <epsy> ?
18:38 <epsy> yeah i used emerge -DuNp
18:48 <epsy> k i'm upgrading, cmon tron players :P
18:49 <epsy> no i'm not ready for that sort of upgrade... :P
19:09 <spidey> #night
19:09 <armabot> Good night spidey!
19:21 <epsy> *grmmm
19:21 <epsy> nothing to do with arma, but...
19:22 <epsy> how i order results by a column that i dont select in mysql?
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19:24 <z-man> wrtlprnft: all you have to do is give cockpit.dtd a proper version in the line with
19:24 <z-man> <!-- version="bl" -->
19:24 <z-man> whoops
19:25 <z-man> without the bl, of course
19:25 <z-man> like: <!-- version="0.3.1" -->
19:25 <epsy> will better see for my question in #mysql ;)
19:25 <z-man> and the script will sort it into the right place, and I think on release (don't ask me where) all the resources referencing the nameless dtd will get adapted.
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19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> identify me
19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> errr dammit
19:33 <[CH]DarkStar> good that this is not my nickserv password :P
19:35 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, no more bitlbee?
19:35 <[CH]DarkStar> it is my bitlbee password :P
19:35 <[CH]DarkStar> just typed into the wrong window
19:36 <z-man> your password is "identify me"????
19:36 <z-man> Why not 123456?
19:37 <epsy> ><[CH]DarkStar> it is my bitlbee password :P
19:37 <epsy> cool, i can havze you in my jabber roster...
19:37 <epsy> :P
19:53 <epsy> [CH]DarkStar, still not in bitlbee... :/
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20:02 <luke-jr> z-man: I think wrtl wants it to have 2 filenames in the included path
20:05 <[CH]DarkStar> epsy: jabber is not working for some reason
20:05 <z-man> It will have. It will be plain cockpit.dtd and AATeam/cockpit-0.3.1.dtd
20:05 <z-man> of ocurse, the first one won't be distributed in the tarball.
20:07 <epsy> k
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20:16 <luke-jr> z-man: would you take part in a rewrite once it reached a playable level?
20:17  * luke-jr thinks that would take under a year
20:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6849 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/package.mask: mention keywording
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that's what I already have
20:34 <wrtlprnft> copied from the map dtd
20:34 <wrtlprnft> <!-- version="0.3.1-a" -->
20:34 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
20:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, anyone know how i would strip the last ~10 minutes of sound out of a .avi, preferably .ogg?
20:37 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yeah, in resource.dtd. And it creates included/AATeam/resource-0.3.1-a.dtd. At least for me.
20:37 <z-man> but cockpit.dtd has no version set. Should the script ignore it?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:37 <wrtlprnft> cockpit.dtd is fine, I think
20:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, there's the problem
20:38 <wrtlprnft> if map.dtd gets put into /AATeam and /, I have no way to reference resource.dtd
20:38 <wrtlprnft> as the path will be relative to that file
20:39 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
20:39 <z-man> luke-jr: no to the second question. I've got the overlay installed, but ran out of time figuring out how to emerge
20:39 <z-man> wrtlprnft: probably the best thing would be to also put the unversioned dtds into AATeam, then?
20:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nothign should be in /
20:40 <wrtlprnft> then you'd need to put all of them there
20:41 <wrtlprnft> + it wouldn't work to copy a DTD to your own subdir for modification
20:41 <wrtlprnft> like the pig hack
20:41 <luke-jr> why aren't DTDs in XML?
20:41 <luke-jr> then we should wrap em in a resource tag
20:41 <luke-jr> :p
20:41 <z-man> Err.
20:42 <z-man> wrtlprnft: so the only way to make everything work is put the dtd's in /?
20:42 <luke-jr> maybe we should just require our DTDs to have the regular <Resource ... /> in a comment
20:42 <luke-jr> almost like we do right now
20:42 <z-man> and that would help us... how?
20:42 <luke-jr> clearly specified category?
20:42 <luke-jr> and author
20:43 <z-man> Actually, what does pig's hack do with the dtds?
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, the alternative would be to tell libxml2 to look for referenced DTDs in the root dir no matter where the referencing DTD was
20:43 <luke-jr> z-man: it's not in AATeam author
20:44 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: DTDs reference each other?
20:45 <luke-jr> ah
20:45 <luke-jr>     SYSTEM "resource.dtd">
20:45 <luke-jr> why not put
20:45 <luke-jr>     SYSTEM "/AATeam/resource.dtd">
20:45 <wrtlprnft> i doubt the leading slash would work
20:45 <wrtlprnft> but i'll try.
20:45 <luke-jr> it should
20:45 <luke-jr> well
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20:46 <luke-jr> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "AATeam/map-">
20:47 <luke-jr> drop the leading /
20:47 <luke-jr> relative references shouldn't work
20:47 <luke-jr> they all start at the root
20:47 <wrtlprnft> i already said why this doesn't work
20:47 <wrtlprnft> if the map is in AATeam/map-xyz.dtd it will look in AATeam/
20:48 <luke-jr> so?
20:48 <wrtlprnft> err, i meant AATeam/AATeam/
20:48 <luke-jr> no
20:48 <luke-jr> all references begin at the root level
20:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i noticed
20:48 <wrtlprnft> i could swear i tried this and it didn't work back when i did it
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6850 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/map.dtd: Fixed load error for the sumo map
20:49 <luke-jr> maybe you had an outdated libxml?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> might be
20:50 <luke-jr> there are some libxml2 versions that we permit compiling against, but don't fully work
20:50 <luke-jr> DTD references is where they don't work
20:50 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess they won't work anymore then
20:50 <luke-jr> ok :p
20:50 <luke-jr> that should be plenty fine by now
20:51 <luke-jr> there's been plenty of time for the various OS to include a recent libxml2
20:51 <luke-jr> maybe we should change the code/configure script to disallow the older one?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> do that
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20:51 <wrtlprnft> i don't know which ones should be disallowed :P
20:51 <ghableska> hello :)
20:52 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: trunk only?
20:53 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 17.2°F (1:52 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa. 
20:53 <madmax|pt> hi ghab
20:54 <ghableska> hi max
20:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: yeah
20:54 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8 doesn't have a resource.dtd
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i only invented it because I thought it might be useful in the future
20:56 <luke-jr> so?
20:56 <luke-jr> they still will try to use the new DTDs...
20:56 <wrtlprnft> true
20:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6851 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: preliminary error-on-old-libxml2 (pre 2.6.11)
20:58 <wrtlprnft> err
20:58 <wrtlprnft> why didn't you commit it to 0.2.8?
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20:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6852 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): libxml2 2.6.11 is required (was 2.6.12) according to http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6362386
20:59 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you said not to? and trunk needs it either way?
21:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6853 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files): libxml2 2.6.11 is required (was 2.6.12) according to http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6362386
21:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: no, do it. your argument was valid :P
21:02 <madmax|pt> kiwi clan o_O
21:02 <wrtlprnft> you should have ONLY done it there, z-man would have merged it sooner or later
21:03 <wrtlprnft> now where's the banana clan?
21:03 <luke-jr> oh well
21:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6854 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: preliminary error-on-old-libxml2 (pre 2.6.11)
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21:13 <ghableska> hi Van-hayes
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21:13 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
21:24 -!- Arma593 [n=d9d2576f@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:24 <Arma593> hi how do i set a member to admin in IPB?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> what's IBP?
21:27 <ghableska> Invasive blood pressure?
21:28 <luke-jr> #cyborg IPB
21:28 <armabot> luke-jr: I.P.B.: Individual Programmed for Battle
21:28 <luke-jr> hm
21:28 <luke-jr> program the member for battle I guess
21:28 <Arma593> no invision power board  it's  like php
21:28 <luke-jr> except it sucks? :p
21:28 <luke-jr> well, phpBB does too, but...
21:29 <Arma593> how do i set an user to adminstrator on IPB forums?
21:29 <luke-jr> the delete key
21:29 <Arma593> eh no
21:29 <luke-jr> why don't you contact Invision tech support?
21:29 <Arma593> dont know :D
21:30 <luke-jr> who are you anyhow?
21:38 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint john
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few showers ending early this evening then cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low plus 1.; Saturday - Cloudy. A few showers in the morning. Clearing in the afternoon. Wind (1 more message)
21:38 <wrtlprnft> why are you asking us about IPB? ;)
21:38 <Vanhayes> #more
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: southwest 20 km/h becoming northwest 30 gusting to 50 in the morning. High 6 with temperature falling to minus 3 in the afternoon. Saturday night..clear. Increasing cloudiness overnight. Wind north 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low minus 10.; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. High zero.;
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21:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the resource browser isn't showing cockpits :/
21:41 <ghableska> #armservers
21:41 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:42 <Vanhayes> forgot an a ghableska 
21:42 <ghableska> ...
21:42 <ghableska> ah
21:42 <Vanhayes> tho I guess it doesnt matter
21:42 <ghableska> heh
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21:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wtf are there two DIFFERENT wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it never did
22:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6855 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/package.mask: unmask games-action/armagetronad in case Gentoo masks it
22:01 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it should :p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> write a preview script
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i don't see how the preview could show anything meaningful
22:05 <luke-jr> it doesn't need a preview?
22:05 <luke-jr> just put a fixed icon on em or smth
22:05 <wrtlprnft> then draw it
22:06 <luke-jr> lol
22:06 <wrtlprnft> and replace the image
22:06 <luke-jr> besides, a preview could work fine
22:06 <luke-jr> just to show general layout
22:06 <wrtlprnft> that's worthless
22:07 <luke-jr> not really
22:07 <luke-jr> it shows the diff between yours and original :p
22:07 <luke-jr> and shows which are bare, which are bloated
22:07 <wrtlprnft> no.
22:07 <luke-jr> which have a single viewport, which have many
22:07 <wrtlprnft> you can toggle gauges
22:08 <luke-jr> you can animate images :p
22:08 <wrtlprnft> eek.
22:11 <luke-jr> lol
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22:31 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.7°F (3:27 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa. 
22:31 <ghableska> -_-
22:32 <Vanhayes> #g 16.7 F in C
22:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: 16.7 degrees Fahrenheit = -8.5 degrees Celsius
22:33 <Vanhayes> #g 6.8 F in C
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: 6.8 degrees Fahrenheit = -14 degrees Celsius
22:33 <Vanhayes> chilly
22:33 <ghableska> yeah
22:33 <Vanhayes> It was like that here yesturday
22:33 <Vanhayes> and of courde not a cloud in the sky, so no snow
22:33 <ghableska> it's supposed to snow quite a bit tomorrow
22:33 <Vanhayes> course*
22:33 <Vanhayes> lucky
22:33 <ghableska> :P
22:33 <ghableska> I thought you got all the snow you wanted...
22:34 <Vanhayes> nah I want bout 3 meters, and have it last untill may
22:34 <ghableska> I wouldn't want that...
22:34 <Vanhayes> its an experiance
22:34 <ghableska> snow gets gross looking quickly
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
22:35 <armabuilder> linux-all: idle, last build 204 secs ago: build successful
22:35 <armabuilder> macosx-client: offline
22:35 <armabuilder> windows-all: offline
22:35 <Vanhayes> well, I want it to be fresh snow too
22:35 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: ping
22:35 <DrJoeTron> pong
22:35 <ghableska> like the new skin? :P
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22:36 <Lucifer_arma> armabuilder: status
22:36 <armabuilder> linux-all: idle, last build 289 secs ago: build successful
22:36 <armabuilder> macosx-client: offline
22:36 <armabuilder> windows-all: offline
22:36  * Lucifer_arma woke up to his first "trunk is broken" set of emails
22:41 <z-man> Hey, that blamelist is buggy.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:41 <z-man> I'm the only one on the osx failure blamelist :(
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed at least one of the broken builds I was notified for was for the code_blocks module.  Need to work on that...
22:41 <z-man> and I'm quite sure I didn't touch no Rakefile.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> link to the build in question?
22:42 <z-man> http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/12/step-Update version/0
22:42 <z-man> resp http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/macosx-client/builds/12
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> your change is in src/render/rSysdep.cpp
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that is interesting
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think you're blaming the wrong bug.  :)  The build didn't go off for some unrelated reason to the change that triggered it, and the buildbot has no way to tell the difference
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> did you get an email notification for that build to your sf email account?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/aacockpit.svg
22:45 <wrtlprnft> my drawing skills suck, i know
22:58 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes, I got two emails. One for the build I linked, and one for http://buildbot.davefancella.com:9990/linux-all/builds/4
22:59 <z-man> If you want a special email of me that I actually read fast, use "moos AT thp DOT uni-koeln DOT com"
22:59 <z-man> only with .de instead of .com
23:00  * z-man suspects spam harvesters are getting smarter.
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6856 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/master.cfg: Added windows buildslave information, only tries a svn checkout for now
23:01  * Lucifer_arma has the same suspicion
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> which is why the emailnotifiers.txt file doesn't go in svn.  :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I added you to that so you'll get notifications on all broken builds.  Don't worry, I share your pain on that list.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can filter and delete the emails that go to your sourceforge email address :)
23:03  * z-man looks forward to shouting at Luke when he appears on his first blamelist :)
23:04 <ghableska> :D
23:04 <z-man> better start practicing.
23:04 <z-man> LUKE!
23:04 <ghableska> is it luke-bashing time already?
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: what
23:04 <z-man> nothing, just practicing.
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: would you take part in a rewrite once it reached a playable level?
23:04 <luke-jr> z-man: test the -live ebuild yet? :p
23:04 <z-man> 2. yes, see post.
23:05 <z-man> 1. Do you have a plan in the meantime?
23:06 <z-man> 1. A real answer can only be given when the rewrite is complete, obviously. Or at least once I know where it would be going.
23:06 <luke-jr> even the current code isn't "complete"
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> having thought about it and not said anything, I've reached agreement with z-man on a rewrite
23:07 <Lucifer_arma>  <exarkun> Lucifer_arma: fwiw, trac sucks and I hate it and I would never recommend using it. ;0  <--- from #twisted
23:07 <z-man> Good thing changes happen slowly here :)
23:08 <luke-jr> like I mentioned earlier, I don't think a rewrite would take more than a few months to reach a usable level
23:08 <z-man> What's your own experience with it? Your stupid alarm clock is using it, right?
23:08 <luke-jr> in the meantime, we wouldn't have released 0.4/1.0 anyway
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but I can't say I've dug in too hard on my trac installation
23:08 <z-man> And like I said, you can't give time estimates without a plan.
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> my experience so far has been very good, except that the thing runs dirt slow on my webserver
23:08 <luke-jr> and if you're not working on it, obviously the old one is still being maintained and developed on the side
23:09 <z-man> Well, you can give them, but you can't expect us to believe them.
23:09 <luke-jr> z-man: plan right now would be to implement an OO layer for it to use
23:09 <luke-jr> and from there add a network layer and the resource system
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: did he tell you yet that he wants to rewrite in C and implement his own OO layer?
23:10 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: guess.
23:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I never said that, IIRC :p
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> liar
23:10 <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:10 <luke-jr> "liar" cannot apply to anything "IIRC"
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> when it's intentionally dishonest, it's lying, no matter what acronyms you stick on the end of it
23:11 <luke-jr> it wasn't :)
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --with C
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:39] <luke-jr> "liar" cannot apply to anything "IIRC"
23:11 <z-man> Aww, stfu both :)
23:11 <luke-jr> hrm
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/C/
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: No closing quotation
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C /"
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 4383 messages.
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/"
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:18:42] <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C /"
23:11 <luke-jr> -.-
23:11 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/" --without #last
23:11 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:28] <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:12 <luke-jr> #last --from luke-jr --regexp "/ C/" --without #last --nolimit
23:12 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:17:28] <luke-jr> my prototyping has been mostly C++ actually
23:12 <luke-jr> ...
23:12 <luke-jr> screw that
23:12 <z-man> #last --from luke-jr --with "OO" --nolimit
23:12 <armabot> z-man: [23:16:13] <luke-jr> z-man: plan right now would be to implement an OO layer for it to use, [21:35:45] <luke-jr> well, phpBB does too, but..., [20:55:33] <luke-jr> all references begin at the root level, [20:54:17] <luke-jr> they all start at the root, [18:24:19] <luke-jr> you use Gentoo?, and [18:01:04] * luke-jr took 'in the end' to mean a release
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> armabot's been restarted since that conversation, you'll have to look at a real log file to find it
23:12 <luke-jr> that's what I'm doing
23:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you talk about rewrites too much
23:13 <luke-jr> :p
23:13 <luke-jr> (or non-arma)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:13 <luke-jr> [Fri Jan 5 2007] [23:07:01] <luke-jr>   maybe we should consider a rewrite from
23:13 <luke-jr> scratch
23:13 <luke-jr> first mention of arma rewrite
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't talked about *this* rewrite since that conversation
23:13 <z-man> Where are the logs again?
23:13 <luke-jr> actually, the first one was Dec 30 :o
23:13 <luke-jr> [Sat Dec 30 2006] [20:36:19]     * luke-jr ponders rewriting it in Qt
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> #logs
23:14 <luke-jr> [Wed Jan 3 2007] [19:38:12]      * luke-jr|work ponders rewriting Arma in Qt
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rouletté, roulétte, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, (1 more message)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #chatlog
23:14 <luke-jr> I can't find it in mine :/
23:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: any idea the date?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> same date as the post in the forums?  what does it matter?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> you said C++ didn't let you add arbitrary methods and we'd have to add that feature somehow
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> and suggested C as a possibility
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> and then we argued inconclusively, as usual
--- Log closed Fri Jan 12 23:21:01 2007
--- Log opened Fri Jan 12 23:21:09 2007
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23:21 <ghableska> hi
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6857 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/profiles/repo_name: repo_name file for some GLEP
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23:30 <Lucifer_arma> alias sevenzip='wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/7-Zip/7z'
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:30 <luke-jr> ...
23:30 <luke-jr> emerge p7zip
23:31 <luke-jr> alias sevenzip=7z
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23:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.0°F (4:32 PM CST on January 12, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.35 in 993.8 hPa. 
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> ToddKitchen: you kicking around?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> ddn't know there was a linux version of 7zip :(
23:36 <luke-jr> lol
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