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Log from 2007-01-09:
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00:28 <luke-jr_work> well, that's one potential new developer with a rewrite...
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03:31 <_Sticky_> hay all
03:32 <_Sticky_> does anyone know what this redice thing is all about?
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03:43 <luke-jr> spideylog: spidey
03:43 <luke-jr> spidey: spideylog
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04:24 <Durka_> #hello
04:24 <@armabot> Hello Durka_ :) Random Fortune: Visit[1] the beautiful Smoky Mountains! || [1] visit, v.: || Come for a week, spend too much money and pay lots of hidden taxes, || then leave. We'll be happy to see your money again next year. || You can save time by simply sending the money, if you're too busy.
04:37 <arctanx> hey Durka_, do you know what's up with custang? He's all like "man change this and this, do u play at ddl? it's cool. u should sign up at the website, they help u build fortress server" and I'm like "wtf"? :P
04:37 <arctanx> I assume that's your server ;)
04:38 <Durka_> umm...ya///
04:39 <Durka_> thats my server
04:39 <Durka_> u need help?
04:39 <arctanx> Not really, I was just wondering if anyone has worked out how to deal with that guy's psychosis
04:42 <mkzelda> :< i cant join ww sumo
04:42 <mkzelda> i've had this problem for a while now, resource unavailable, cant dl the map
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04:43 <mkzelda> the map could not be loaded, the server you tried to connect to may have a broken configuration you should inform the server admin
04:44 <mkzelda> resource-0.3.1-a.dtd not found in cache, downloading, 404
04:44 <mkzelda> then xml validation error in sumo_4x4-0.1.1.aamap.xml
04:45 <mkzelda> then map.dtd:10: I/O error : failed to load external entity %resource.mod;]]>
04:46 <mkzelda> then a lot of validity error no declaration for attirbute version of element resource type "aamap" name="sumo_4x4" version="0.1.1" author="z-man" category="fortress"... over and over
04:48 <mkzelda> interesting reference of the smoky mountains by armabot
04:49 <mkzelda> i grew up near there
04:49 <mkzelda> its like any other tourist trap
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05:16 <luke-jr> mkzelda: sounds like a buggy server
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: RAM's user is the kid that asked for the popcorn in the cubical next to TRON's user (whose name escapes me)
05:39  * spidey has offically resigned from mbc
05:39 <spidey> o.O
05:40 <spidey> #g 100 meters in ft
05:40 <@armabot> spidey: 100 meters = 328.08399 feet
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06:11 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ping
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> so are you going to be one of those weird people that goes from clan to clan, taking what makes you feel good and giving nothing in return, now?
06:19 <spidey> nah
06:19 <spidey> more than likely lizz me and damien will have a tron devision for the soldat clan
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, this constitutional monarchy is a great government :)
06:22 <spidey> lizz says hello, Lucifer_arma 
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> hi lizz (who's lizz?)
06:23 <spidey> .........
06:23 <spidey> wizzee
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I only know her as wolverine :)
06:23 <spidey> :p
06:24 <|Sticky|> hay all
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06:29 <Lucifer_arma> wow, this sdl client is beautiful
06:29 <|Sticky|> client for what??
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv
06:31 <|Sticky|> ahh
06:31 <|Sticky|> lucifer your one of the arma developers arnt you??
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> who wants to know?
06:31 <|Sticky|> me
06:32 <|Sticky|> any idea why the fps absolutly plumets as a server fills,
06:32 <spidey> you too?
06:32 <spidey> i thought it was on my end
06:32 <spidey> o.o
06:32 <|Sticky|> well everyone reports it
06:33 <spidey> it gets almost unplayable on a server with 16 people
06:33 <|Sticky|> the effect is to sever to be the load of an extra few players on the gfx
06:34 <|Sticky|> since 10 people is practicly no different to 2 in fps...add the 5 extra and it takes a nose dive
06:36 <Compn> 16 people is fine
06:36 <|Sticky|> many people report differently
06:36 <Compn> i'd like to know why CTF and other respawn mods get so laggy
06:37 <Compn> but yeah, 20 people or so and it tanks my fps too
06:37 <|Sticky|> apparently the ctf problem is that the zones crated to look like the flag dont get removed till the end of the round
06:37 <|Sticky|> they just get set to size 0
06:38 <Compn> so?
06:39 <|Sticky|> so you end up with hundreds of zones by the end of a long round
06:39 <Compn> oh
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, the client has to simulate all the players too
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's a lot of work!
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> and there's probably lots of room for code optimization :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> basically, the best thing you can do to improve fps is to turn off mirroring (off by default, iirc), and the floor
06:40 <spidey> i've got all those off
06:41 <spidey> on a server with 5 people i get 90fps
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you have a video driver that's worth a fuck (true for anybody not using ATI in linux), try enabling display lists (also default)
06:41 <spidey> on a server with 16 i get 20-30
06:41 <|Sticky|> well i run linux with the minimum graphics settings
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not talking about changes that will make your fps skyrocket, just avoid the game becoming unplayable :)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> on my box in the back, a full server brings it down to 7fps
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> on my laptop, I stay around 30 for the most part, but on an empty server I get ~80
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I run with max graphics settings, though.
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, this freeciv sdl client is fucking beautiful
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I wanted!  Just a pain to use
06:42 <|Sticky|> it just seems that the degredation in fps has a very sharp drop after a certain number of people
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> but it gives you a full-screen map-based UI.  There doesn't seem to be a chat panel, though :/
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's a steady drop, it just seems it's not :)
06:43 <|Sticky|> can anyone recomend a good c++ profiler
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> until you get under about 40 fps, you may not even notice it's dropping
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, we kind of support the gnu profile (forgot its name)
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> as in "someone at some point has built with profiling"
06:44 <|Sticky|> gprof
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I think I posted instructions on the forums.  search for "profiling" and you should find it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, turn sparks off :)
06:44 <|Sticky|> heh as soon as its done then have to wait for a server with 16 people:)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the result of the profiling I did way back when was to positively identify sparks as the #1 performance hit
06:46 <|Sticky|> do you recon the fps problem is definately client side...people keep saying its the server but that sounds bollox to me
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> um, how can the server cause fps hits on the client?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> (well, it can, but it's unlikely for the symptoms you're describing)
06:47 <|Sticky|> thats what i thought
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> just remember, people, especially around here, naturally try to blame shit that's as far from themselves as possible
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I can cross-compile freeciv
06:48 <|Sticky|> what target?
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> mingw
06:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, the server can so
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> see, the reason I'm not moving to the 2.1 beta series is because I use the warclient, and the warclient hasn't been ported to the 2.1 beta
06:49 <|Sticky|> dunt if its using sdl pross platform gfx is never great
06:49 <spidey> i can cause someone to get fps lag, when they're across the map..not looking at me
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I asked 'how', not 'if'
06:49 <spidey> double bind
06:49 <spidey> really quick
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the server causing it, though
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's another player causing it :)
06:50 <spidey> alot, and it'll drop everyone to 2fps untill the round's over
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> I do shit like that knowing it'll hurt people with worse computers than my own
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course, a high cycle_delay addresses most of that problem
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you use any warclient-specific features?
06:51 <spidey> not really
06:52 <spidey> i don't have warclient right now, i have to reinstall civ cause i messed up with your ruleset >.<
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody here?  I'm looking at the 2.1 beta and the city tab has everything I use there, so apparently the warclient didn't add anything in that tab that I actually use
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> check out the sdl client while you're at it then.  :)
06:52 <spidey> ?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> see, I know SDL, I don't know gtk
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I *like* SDL, too
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06:56 <Durka> #hello
06:56 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? || A: You won't find a lawyer who can change a light bulb. Now, if || you're looking for a lawyer to screw a light bulb...
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07:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to write up a qt gui for freeciv
07:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: hmm, i wonder how you know that ;)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> from watching the movie?  :)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had the same question, actually, and watched it one time just to answer it
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> he's a minor character, which is why they can kill him and not the main characters.  What I don't remember is TRON's user's name
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I just remember he played Scarecrow in The Scarecrow and Mrs. King
07:22 <wrtlprnft> alan :P
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> the important programs all have users you can pick out by the fact the programs are played by the same actors/actresses that play their users
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> the old man prophet program's user is the guy that argues with Sark's user (whose name I've forgotten)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's only 1 girl in the movie, so her user/program pair is easy to pick out
07:24 <wrtlprnft> hmm
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the only thing I find really wrong about the movie is the user/program pairing.  I have a hard time believing that every user in a system has to write his own program to do work
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like if Flynn really wrote all the tank programs, then all the tank program crews should be played by Jeff Bridges
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Jeff Bridges, on his website, directs people to play GLTron
07:29 <wrtlprnft> haha
07:30 <wrtlprnft> flynn wrote all those game programs as far as i get it
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.jeffbridges.com/stuffdec06.html  <-- scroll down to the tron link, it links to GLTron
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Sark's user only wrote Sark and the MCP
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> he stole the game programs from Flynn, which is kind of the fundamental plot element :)
07:32 <wrtlprnft> oof, which one is that (link)?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's waaaay at the bottom
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> that page used to be a lot smaller :/
07:33 <wrtlprnft> got it :)
07:33 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
07:33 <wrtlprnft> there's news on the gltron site?!
07:34 <wrtlprnft> great. now i can play thousands of super dumb AIs… great.
07:34 <wrtlprnft> note that they're cheating
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I really *really* hate Jeff Bridges's website
07:35 <wrtlprnft> they can turnhttp://www.gltron.org/#05.01.2007
07:35 <wrtlprnft> oops
07:35 <wrtlprnft> they can turn around a corner in such a way that no human can
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07:38 <Lucifer_arma> where's that?  I'm not finding it
07:39 <wrtlprnft> just the newest news
07:40 <wrtlprnft> btw, i just figured that matrix reloaded features nmap and ssh :)
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I knew that, and I hven't even seen it!
07:47 <wrtlprnft> i'd make a screenshot, but…
07:47 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/matrix.png
07:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways, off to school, cya
07:47 <Durka> wrtl no!
07:47 <Durka> wait
07:47 <Durka> real quick
07:49 <Durka> gimme ur take on this
07:49 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?t=184
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> wow, the sdl client for freeciv is really nice
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> only thing it really needs is sorting the city report
07:51 <wrtlprnft> aaah
07:51 <wrtlprnft> quick: i can't tell, really. I'm fine with either :)
07:51 <wrtlprnft> cya really
07:51 <wrtlprnft> school in 8 minutes
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> have fun
07:52 <Durka> k bye
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you know if we're using anything in the server that really requires the warserver?  :/
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think we are.  The server adds an autoattack that I don't like, and otherwise we've had to enable options that are disabled by the server
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> by default.  Like techtrading and citytrading and stuff
07:55 <Durka> #last --from spidey
07:55 <@armabot> Durka: [06:59:44] <spidey> ?
07:55 <Durka> #time
07:55 <@armabot> Durka: 08:03 AM, January 09, 2007
07:56 <Durka> spidey: ping
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08:43 <Durka> #ngith
08:43 <Durka> #night
08:43 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
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13:34 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
13:55 <madmax|pt> I thought Norms was worse, "omg"/"lag"/"LOL!"-wise
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15:36 <DrJoeTron> Fuck!
15:36 <DrJoeTron> I missed the counselors again :/
15:37 <DrJoeTron> why does everyone need guidance all of a sudden
15:43 <wrtlprnft> end of the semester coming up?
16:03 <DrJoeTron> nah
16:03 <DrJoeTron> its starting
16:03 <wrtlprnft> whatever your schedule is :P
16:08 <DrJoeTron> I start next week :/
16:56 <DrJoeTron> server seems to be barren this month
16:56 <DrJoeTron> cool :D
16:57 <DrJoeTron> it's been nothing jerkwads last month
17:17 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
17:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.9.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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17:42 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.10.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
18:18 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
18:18 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 55.4°F (5:00 PM WET on January 09, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
18:21 <wrtlprnft> quote: can some1 teach me how i get a D with a bind in the middle or this (_) on the up ?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> question: what did he want?
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18:23 <epsy> hi
18:29 <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:30 <luke-jr_work> hi
18:31 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6731 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Wrapped std::istringstream so we can use tConfItemBase::LoadAll/LoadLine.
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18:41 <epsy> Oo
18:41 <epsy> _i got an error in svn while co...
18:41 <Compn> what error?
18:42 <epsy> ..
18:42 <epsy> 'error when adding directory 'src/swig', this file already exists
18:42 <epsy> on the trunk branch
18:42 <Compn> try svn update ?
18:42 <Compn> hehe
18:42 <epsy> :P
18:42 <Compn> or svn cleanup
18:43 <epsy> still same arror
18:43 <epsy> well
18:43 <epsy> cd ..
18:43 <epsy> rm -R arma-svn
18:45 <Compn> if you keep typing your commands in this window, no wonder your stuff is broke! :p
18:45 <epsy> lol
18:56  * epsy is still downloading last'ed svn ...
18:56 <epsy> meh
18:56  * epsy is still downloading lasted svn ...
18:56 <epsy> s*et
18:56 <epsy> *et
18:57 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:59 <luke-jr_work> epsy: what OS?
18:59 <epsy> gentoo linux x86
19:02 <luke-jr_work> using the ebuild?
19:02 <epsy> no
19:02 <epsy> downloading directly from svn...
19:03 <epsy> anyway there is no -9999 ebuild in the overlay, rifght?
19:03 <epsy> *right?
19:05 <luke-jr_work> not well-tested, no
19:05 <luke-jr_work> and not version 9999 because that doesn't exist
19:05 <epsy> well, 9999 ebuild are normally for versions from cvs/svn...
19:05 <luke-jr_work> [ebuild  N    ] games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693  USE="opengl -debug -dedicated -moviepack -moviesounds -ruby" LINGUAS="en -es" 0 kB [5]
19:06  * luke-jr_work ponders for a better pkg name than 'live'
19:07 <epsy> why not =games-action/armagetronad-9999 ?
19:08 <luke-jr_work> because there is no ver 9999
19:08 <epsy> well i'm telling you that...
19:09 <epsy> 9999 ebuilds are normally used for versions from cvs/svn...
19:09 <luke-jr_work> normally maybe
19:09 <epsy> :P
19:10 <epsy> why dont use that sort of thing?
19:12 <epsy> meh
19:12 <epsy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "armagetronad-live".
19:12 <epsy> Oo
19:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6732 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild: --disable-ruby if USE=-ruby, dep sdl-mixer
19:12 <luke-jr_work> epsy: layman -S
19:12 <epsy> yeah i did
19:12 <luke-jr_work> and unmask it
19:12 <luke-jr_work> it's still experimental
19:12 <epsy> again?
19:13 <luke-jr_work> 1. we have multiple svn branches
19:14 <luke-jr_work> 2. allowing people to unmask ONLY ~0.2.8_alpha6693 prevents extra deps from being installed when we add them
19:14 <luke-jr_work> (since adding deps would cause the rev bump)
19:15 <epsy> still that...
19:15 <epsy> wait...
19:15 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:15 <luke-jr_work> it's keyworded too
19:15 <epsy> layman -l
19:15 <epsy> * armagetron                [Subversion] (source: https://svn.sourceforge.ne...)
19:15 <epsy> * einit                     [Rsync     ] (source: rsync://rsync.jyujin.de/ei...)
19:15 <epsy> * kde-experimental          [Rsync     ] (source: rsync://download.berlios.d...)
19:15 <epsy> * xeffects                  [Subversion] (source: http://svn.gentoo-xeffects...)
19:15 <epsy> * xeffects-experimental     [Subversion] (source: http://svn.gentoo-xeffects...)
19:15 <epsy> :/
19:15 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:15 <epsy> i added it in packages.unmask
19:15 <luke-jr_work> and packages.keyword?
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19:15 <epsy> now it should at least telling me that it's masked...
19:15 <luke-jr_work> package.keywords*
19:15 <epsy> ...
19:16 <luke-jr_work> it should tell you anyway...
19:16 <epsy> ~x86 or...?
19:16 <luke-jr_work> ~amd64 :p
19:16 <epsy> :P
19:16 <epsy> k
19:16 <luke-jr_work> you don't need to specify :p
19:16 <epsy> :)
19:17 <epsy> games-action/armagetronad-live, right ?
19:17 <luke-jr_work> yep
19:17 <epsy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "games-action/armagetronad-live".
19:17 <epsy> :/
19:18 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6733 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/Manifest: digest-- layman -S again
19:18 <luke-jr_work> maybe -d and -a it
19:18 <epsy> layman or emerge?
19:19 <luke-jr_work> layman
19:19 <epsy> Calculating dependencies  
19:19 <epsy> Parent:    None
19:19 <epsy> Depstring: games-action/armagetronad-live
19:19 <epsy> Candidates: ['games-action/armagetronad-live']
19:19 <epsy> ah
19:20  * epsy was still thinking he aliased layman to sudo layman
19:21 <epsy> yeah better...sry
19:24 <wrtlprnft> you have an svn ebuild for arma?
19:25 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: experimental
19:25 <luke-jr_work> it doesn't seem to work yet
19:25 <wrtlprnft> x_X
19:25 <luke-jr_work> tho the current problem seems to be a problem w/ our current trunk
19:25 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MinGW
19:25 <wrtlprnft> this looks promising for nightly builds
19:26 <epsy> yeah mingw is really easy to install on gentoo :)
19:26 <luke-jr_work> did I mention one of my projects is an automated cross-compile systme for a large array of targets?
19:26 <epsy> !!! moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip does not exist
19:27 <epsy> remove the moviesounds flag
19:27 <luke-jr_work> ok... why does automake fail on latest trunk?
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19:27 <luke-jr_work> epsy: wtf?
19:27 <epsy> problem with the ebuild
19:27 <epsy> moviesounds flag is here but...
19:28 <luke-jr_work> epsy: pastebin in context plz
19:28 <epsy> Révision 6733 extraite.
19:28 <epsy>  *    working copy: /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/armagetronad-live/armagetronad
19:28 <epsy> >>> Unpacking moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip to /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693/work/armagetronad
19:28 <epsy> !!! ERROR: games-action/armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693 failed.
19:28 <epsy> Call stack:
19:28 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_unpack
19:28 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 708:   Called src_unpack
19:28 <epsy>   armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild, line 99:   Called unpack 'moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip'
19:29 <epsy>   ebuild.sh, line 369:   Called die
19:29 <epsy> !!! moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip does not exist
19:29 <epsy> !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
19:29 <luke-jr_work> do you know what pastebin is?
19:29 <epsy> lol no
19:29 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:29 <luke-jr_work> well, that error just makes no sense anyhow :p
19:30 <luke-jr_work> unless..
19:30 <epsy> well
19:30 <epsy> remove the moviepack and moviesounds flags....
19:30 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:30 <luke-jr_work> they should work
19:30 <epsy> they're not included with it(licencing problems?)
19:30 <luke-jr_work> but maybe subversion.eclass is disabling the regular fetch
19:31 <luke-jr_work> they should be fetched like the regular ebuilds
19:31 <epsy> umm
19:31 <epsy> moviepack flag works...
19:31 <epsy> but moviesounds...
19:31  * luke-jr_work blames [dlh] 
19:32 <luke-jr_work> for the automake issues
19:33 <epsy> owww
19:33 <epsy> i see the problem
19:34 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:34 <epsy> unzip doesn't support more files in it's arguments...
19:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6734 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): we get more errors with automake 1.10...
19:34 <epsy> and your ebuild tries to do
19:34 <epsy> unzip moviesounds_fq.zip moviepack.zip
19:34 <luke-jr_work> O.o
19:35  * epsy wonders if zip could be added into tar...
19:36 <epsy> the gnu one is awesome :)
19:36 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6735 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (Manifest armagetronad-live-0.3_alpha6693.ebuild): use the unpack from base.eclass
19:36 <luke-jr_work> try that
19:37 <luke-jr_work> tar doesn't support compression...
19:37 <epsy> gnu tar does...
19:37 <luke-jr_work> but a zip->tar stream convertor would indeed be nice
19:37 <luke-jr_work> no, GNU tar supports spawning a decompressor in a pipe
19:38 <epsy> it supports also compression too
19:38 <luke-jr_work> nope
19:38 <epsy> tar jcf new.tar.bz2 file1 file2
19:38 <epsy> will produce a bzipped tar archive...
19:38 <luke-jr_work> that acts like "tar c file2 | bzip2 > file1"
19:38 <mkzelda> it'd still contain 2 zips
19:38 <luke-jr_work> it won't if you don't have 'bzip2' installed
19:39 <epsy> yeah of course ;)
19:39 <epsy> reproducing bz2 would be stupid ;)
19:39 <luke-jr_work> :p
19:40 <epsy> O.o
19:40 <epsy> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
19:40 <luke-jr_work> but unpacking worked :)
19:40 <epsy> yeah :P
19:40 <epsy> wan compile it manually :P
19:40 <epsy> *can
19:42 <luke-jr_work> bootstrap works?
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/Makefile.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/engine/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/network/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/render/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tron/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <epsy> configure.ac:1070: required file `src/swig/ext/armagetronad/ui/extconf.rb.in' not found
19:43 <luke-jr_work> like I thought
19:43 <epsy> but it ends up correctly
19:43 <luke-jr_work> not if you rm configure
19:43 <luke-jr_work> or mv it away
19:44 <epsy> still showing me these errors...
19:45 <luke-jr_work> I know
19:45 <epsy> but still creating one :P
19:46 <luke-jr_work> it is??
19:46 <epsy> it still creates a configure scipt, yeha
19:46 <epsy> *yeah :P
19:47 <luke-jr_work> oh
19:47 <luke-jr_work> and configure works?
19:47 <epsy> no
19:47 <luke-jr_work> lol
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating src/Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating src/first/Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: creating Makefile
19:47 <epsy> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
19:47 <epsy> as bootstrap didn't finished :/
19:48 <epsy> make distclean
19:48 <epsy> make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
19:48 <epsy> root@couloirgentoo armagetronad $ make clean
19:48 <epsy> make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
19:48 <epsy> ach
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19:49 <luke-jr_work> hi
19:50 <luke-jr_work> any idea how to fix trunk?
19:50 <epsy> well...
19:50 <epsy> meh ?
19:51 <epsy> i'm seeing if it works better with the ruby flag...
19:51 <epsy> but i need first to recompile swig...
19:51 <epsy> ;)
19:53 <luke-jr_work> hm
19:53 <luke-jr_work> maybe
19:53 <luke-jr_work> !
19:53 <luke-jr_work> [dlh]: bug?
19:54 <luke-jr_work> wow
19:55 <luke-jr_work> our ZIP files (source, binaries, etc) are invalid
19:55 <luke-jr_work> they state minimum ZIP 1.0 to extract, but use features in 2.0
19:57 <epsy> (why still using zips ????)
19:57 <mkzelda> win32 support
19:57 <luke-jr_work> heh
19:57 <epsy> oh
19:57 <mkzelda> its the most accepted cross platforms
19:57 <epsy> :/
19:58 <luke-jr_work> epsy: I'm working on your zip2tar thing :p
19:58 <epsy> (=>what about including tar in the windows installator?)
19:58 <luke-jr_work> epsy: I think it is
19:58 <epsy> luke-jr_work, :P
19:58 <epsy> so...what is the problem?
19:59 <luke-jr_work> maybe ruby
19:59 <epsy> (aww yeha still the same messages with ruby flag enabled...
19:59 <epsy> luke-jr_work, ??
20:01 <luke-jr_work> blame [dlh] 
20:01 <luke-jr_work> he did the ruby nonsense
20:02  * epsy goes play soccer
20:02 <luke-jr_work> lol
20:02 <epsy> :P
20:02 <epsy> with chico
20:02 <epsy> :P
20:10 <luke-jr_work> actually, they're not invalid :p
20:11 <luke-jr_work> just file is wrong
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20:38 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
20:38 <@armabot> spidey: [18:36:37] <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?, [08:03:16] <Durka> spidey: ping, [08:02:58] <Durka> #last --from spidey, [08:00:21] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you know if we're using anything in the server that really requires the warserver?  :/, [06:58:49] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you use any warclient-specific features?, [06:56:55] <Lucifer_arma> (6 more messages)
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20:46 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/wolfie-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
20:47 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/classic/wolfie-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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21:47 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with luci --nolimit
21:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: [18:36:37] <luke-jr_work> spidey: does lucifer realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0?, [07:27:40] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: hmm, i wonder how you know that ;), [06:56:31] <spidey> Lucifer_arma, the server can so, [06:38:39] <|Sticky|> lucifer your one of the arma developers arnt you??, [06:29:38] <spidey> lizz says hello, Lucifer_arma, [18:37:59] <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: is that (7 more messages)
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: yes, I realize freeciv 2.1 won't work with 2.0 because the protocols are somehow incompatible
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> most of the data files are compatible, however, and new features are being added to 2.1 and not 2.0 :)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I'm asking all these questions about what we use is because I'd like to see if we cna all move to 2.1
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22:02 <luke-jr|work> not 1tpd :p
22:02 <luke-jr|work> 2.1 breaks compat too often
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's still in beta :)
22:10 <luke-jr|work> it's like if we had a 2.1, I think
22:10 <luke-jr|work> experimetnal
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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22:39 <spidey> hmm
22:39 <spidey> besides shadow ops
22:40 <spidey> mbc's lost all of its old members
22:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
22:40 <spidey> heh
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean they're going to become the new white trash of the game?
22:45 <deja_vu> hm.. how did that happen? ;)
22:46 <spidey> deja_vu, wizzee, damien, canis, and me left
22:46 <spidey> that leave micro and ota o.O
22:46 <spidey> leaves*
22:46 <spidey> and shadowops....but he rarely plays
22:47 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu was in mbc?
22:47 <deja_vu> impressive :o
22:47 <deja_vu> yea
22:47 <spidey> yras
22:47 <spidey> yea
22:47 <spidey> long ago
22:47 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:47 <wrtlprnft> never knew that
22:48 <spidey> did you leave? or was you cut for inactivness?
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22:48 <deja_vu> i left
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22:48 <k3nNy> wth happened?
22:48 <deja_vu> when SD did
22:48 <spidey> ???????????
22:48 <spidey> wow....
22:49 <spidey> i didn't know SD was in mbc then o.o
22:49 <spidey> wait
22:49 <spidey> no
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl is still in MBC though, right?
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> and luke-jr (hi there!) ?
22:49 <luke-jr|work> I never was
22:49 <spidey> because when i joined SD was leader of SP
22:50 <deja_vu> yea, there was some fuzz with micro over SD joining speeders
22:50 <spidey> hm
22:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i am, still
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22:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ping
22:55  * deja_vu hangs spidey from the ceiling and invites wrtlprnft to some Pong >=]
22:55 <spidey> :|
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey (hi there :D ! :) ;) O_o): pong
22:55 <spidey> o.O
22:56 <deja_vu> *_*
22:56 <spidey> http://www.my-games.nl/   wanna be my partener? :D
23:00 <wrtlprnft> me?
23:00 <spidey> ya
23:00 <wrtlprnft> oh
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that's that thread we spammed on the arma forums?
23:01 <spidey> hmm?
23:01 <spidey> dunno, i don't go on the forums that much
23:01 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12361
23:02 <spidey> rofl
23:05 <wrtlprnft> that site doesn't have a newsfeed :(
23:05 <wrtlprnft> bad.
23:06 <spidey> heh
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23:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i think the clock on the wiki is a few minutes off
23:15 <wrtlprnft> that spam i'm about to delete was posted in the future
23:20 <spidey> lol
23:21 <k3nNy> which spam? :)
23:22 <wrtlprnft> the one that's gone
23:23 <k3nNy> :)
23:23 <k3nNy> xD
23:23 <k3nNy> omega found some weird stuff at zmans server log
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:24 <k3nNy> gothica & legit made the server lag in the ladle finals at points where sp was attacking on purpurse
23:25 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:25 <k3nNy> :)
23:25 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/
23:25 <wrtlprnft> relevant section please :)
23:25 <k3nNy> yah :)
23:25 <k3nNy> i think just its funny
23:26 <k3nNy> because a few sec later a few tuis were screaming lag lag lag! :)
23:26 <k3nNy> what is that link anyway, i dont know it
23:26 <wrtlprnft> if that's true they should be kicked from the next ladle
23:27 <k3nNy> hm it is, i think omega is making a thread on the forums about it
23:27 <k3nNy> you can also read it at the wiki of the feedback of the ladle
23:27 <k3nNy> or in the log ofcourse
23:28 <wrtlprnft> i didn't read the feedback page
23:28 <k3nNy> you better dont :)
23:28  * wrtlprnft won't get involved in the ladle ever again
23:28 <k3nNy> hm why?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> should have seen the tui vs tm match
23:29 <k3nNy> oh
23:29 <k3nNy> was it that bad?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:29 <k3nNy> unfortunately there are no logs or recs
23:29 <wrtlprnft> it was on my server
23:29 <k3nNy> oh ok
23:29 <k3nNy> you have the recs?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> there is a log
23:30 <k3nNy> ah ok
23:30 <wrtlprnft> but it's got nothing to do with artificial lag
23:30 <k3nNy> :)
23:30 <wrtlprnft> it's just that TM is an unorganized bundle
23:30 <k3nNy> maybe you could reorganise it
23:30 <k3nNy> there are plenty of players
23:30 <wrtlprnft> how can a team with legit and hyphy play well
23:30 <k3nNy> i agree on that
23:31 <spidey> lol
23:31 <k3nNy> just kick them out of the team and get some new nicer players
23:31 <wrtlprnft> not that easy
23:31 <wrtlprnft> 2020 will always let them rejoin
23:31 <wrtlprnft> i'll just leave it
23:31 <k3nNy> true
23:31 <spidey> start a new team?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can help out CT if they need it
23:31 <wrtlprnft> at least they're organized
23:32 <k3nNy> yeah
23:32 <k3nNy> i saw pav playing for x too though
23:32 <spidey> did i miss a ladle? o.O
23:32 <k3nNy> oops maybe participates too and needs players
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167856 [0] [TM] Gothica committed suicide.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167857 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM] G5! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167858 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM]AshitakA! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167859 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate Hyphy Leopard! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> 167860 [0] [TM] redice core dumped teammate [TM] 2020! Boo! No points for that!
23:32 <k3nNy> they have quite often not enough players
23:32 <k3nNy> ????
23:32 <k3nNy> omG
23:32 <k3nNy> they were tking?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> he joined, teamshuffled to position 1 and killed 5 mates
23:33 <k3nNy> ...
23:33 <k3nNy> wow
23:33 <k3nNy> who was it?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> which left us with 4 players, one bing kicked shortly after
23:33 <wrtlprnft> redice, i guess
23:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm, FroZen is the same guy
23:34 <k3nNy> ashi posted this at the wiki
23:34 <k3nNy> AshitakA 
23:34 <k3nNy>     I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this ide
23:35 <k3nNy> frozen btw was at the sp vs x match i think at start too
23:35 <k3nNy> he got kicked though
23:36 <wrtlprnft> it's just annoying
23:36 <k3nNy> yeah
23:36 <madmax|pt> I wonder if that lag crap happened also on Ady's server during a game on the "world cup"
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't want to lock the server
23:36 <wrtlprnft> for one simple reason
23:36 <k3nNy> madmax: yeah
23:36 <DrJoeTron> Armagetron is serious business :d
23:36 <k3nNy> :)
23:36 <wrtlprnft> if i lock it and get disconnected, there's no way i can unlock it without restarting it
23:36 <k3nNy> well have a nice eve, gotta go eating
23:37 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:37 <k3nNy> bye
23:38 <wrtlprnft> frozen seems to be frozen otherwise, noone else
23:38 <wrtlprnft> at least on ladle, café and CTWF logs
23:38 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:38 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:38 <madmax|pt> gnight
23:39 <madmax|pt> "Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated" by JJBean. This looks like a reasonable thing to say.
23:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know wether a geforce quadro fx4500 is better than a geforce 8800?
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, geforce 8800 has a higher number, that means its better
23:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but quadro fx are the professional cards
23:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean
23:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> for professional applications
23:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> quadro fx4500 = 7800 + some features that are not interesting to the end user

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