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Log from 2007-01-08:
--- Day changed Mon Jan 08 2007
00:00 <Skip> xD Im happy that he got pissed at you though.. instead of me xD;;
00:00 <super_duck> lol
00:00 <|Sticky|> he seemed to recon they were cutting them up in attack but i cant seem to remember many rounds where the attack took it quickly
00:01 <super_duck> didi skip even play?
00:01 <Rico> no
00:01 <Rico> didnt show up on time and got locked out
00:01 <Rico> ><
00:01 <super_duck> aww if he was def he woulda pwnt all!
00:01 <Rico> pavelo played instead
00:01 <super_duck> ya i saw skip n CT
00:03 <Rico> #roulette
00:03 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
00:03  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:03 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:03 <Rico> heh
00:03 <super_duck> lol
00:03 <super_duck> rico do u hate me?
00:03 <Rico> nah why
00:03 <super_duck> o, cus ppl tellin me u do
00:03 <Rico> who? 
00:04 <|Sticky|> we all hate you :P
00:04 <super_duck> sum X members forgot which ones
00:04 <Rico> heh stick
00:04  * super_duck hates sticky
00:04  * Rico hates everyone
00:04 <|Sticky|> #slap super_duck
00:04 <Rico> #insult super_duck
00:04 <@armabot> super_duck - You are nothing but an evil heap of low-quality Stimpy-drool. 
00:04 <super_duck> #insult sticky
00:04 <@armabot> sticky - You are nothing but a crook-pated mass of left-over chicken. 
00:04 <|Sticky|> #uberinsult super_duck
00:04 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <Skip> :o
00:05 <super_duck> canada the player?
00:05 <Rico> #uberinsult Rico
00:05 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <|Sticky|> yeah
00:05 <super_duck> lol
00:05 <Rico> is that the only one it knows?
00:05 <|Sticky|> you need to change that
00:05 <Rico> pfft
00:05 <Rico> #uberinsult Rico
00:05 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
00:05 <Rico> bah
00:05 <Skip> I know how to destroy the bot..
00:05 <Rico> gogogo
00:05 <Skip> #insult God
00:05 <@armabot> God - You are nothing but a boil-brained plate of rump-fed cat-hair-balls. 
00:05 <|Sticky|> i will say it again HES TWELVE its not his fault hes...well...you know
00:05 <spidey> skip you noob :D
00:06 <Skip> lol spidey
00:06 <Rico> spideey!!!
00:06 <super_duck> #insult armabot
00:06 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a droning mass of headless Stimpy-drool. 
00:06 <Skip> xP your vacation over already Spidey?
00:06 <spidey> no
00:06 <Skip> I figured
00:06 <spidey> irc isn't tron :p
00:06 <Rico> xD
00:06 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
00:07 <@armabot> spidey: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on MicroBusCity.com 0 days 23 hours 54 minutes ago.
00:07 <Rico> #insult spidey
00:07 <Skip> oO; wtf
00:07 <@armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a warped mass of sausage-snorfling balls. 
00:07 <Rico> xD
00:07 <Skip> #lastseen skip
00:07 <@armabot> Skip: -¦Ö¦, Skip has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 49 minutes ago.
00:07 <spidey> #bitchslap Rico
00:07 <spidey> ;p
00:07 <Rico> xD
00:07 <Rico> #lastseen penis
00:07 <super_duck> #lastseen super duck!
00:07 <@armabot> Rico: TuI ~ PENIS has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on. 0 days 1 hours 37 minutes ago.
00:07 <super_duck> #lastseen super duck!
00:07 <@armabot> super_duck: Super Duck! has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  (Arizona) 1 days 14 hours 13 minutes ago.
00:07 <@armabot> super_duck: Super Duck! has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  (Arizona) 1 days 14 hours 13 minutes ago.
00:08 <spidey> #g 4 kb/s in GB/month
00:08 <@armabot> spidey: 4 (kb / s) = 1.25395958 GB / month
00:08 <super_duck> #lastseen Legit
00:08 <spidey> hm
00:08 <@armabot> super_duck: Legit has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 34 minutes ago.
00:08 <Skip> #lastseen Lackadasical
00:08 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508732BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [No route to host]
00:08 <Rico> #lastseen Zop
00:08 <Skip> bot died
00:08 <Rico> u spelt his name wrong
00:08 <Rico> thats why
00:08 <Skip> xD
00:09 <Rico> ;p
00:09 <Skip> #weather denver
00:09 <@armabot> Skip: timed out
00:09 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Denver, CO is 27.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Wind: SSW at 13 mph (21 km/h).
00:09 <super_duck> lol
00:09 <Rico> #lastseen Zop
00:09 <@armabot> Rico: Zop has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 0 hours 36 minutes ago.
00:10 <@armabot> Rico: Zop has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 0 hours 36 minutes ago.
00:10 <Rico> ;o
00:10 <super_duck> lol
00:10 <super_duck> #lastseen swoosh
00:10 <Rico> #lastseen gay
00:10 <super_duck> fucking bot do ur job
00:10 <@armabot> super_duck: swoosh has last been seen on G-Land (A Swamplords server) 5 days 0 hours 1 minutes ago.
00:10 <@armabot> Rico: joe is gay has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 0 days 1 hours 11 minutes ago.
00:10 <madmax|pt> what did swoosh did to you super_duck ?
00:11 <Rico> LOL
00:11 <super_duck> lol madmax
00:11 <super_duck> xD
00:11 <Rico> #slap madmax|pt
00:11 <Rico> ;p
00:11 <super_duck> lol
00:12 <Rico> #lastseen Rico
00:12 <@armabot> Rico: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on ¦Ö¦Server: Ladle/Tournament Fortress 0 days 1 hours 28 minutes ago.
00:12 <Rico> pfft
00:12 <Rico> ¦O¦ server ??
00:13 <super_duck> ok im out, bye rica, skip, and sticky
00:13 <|Sticky|> #armaservers
00:13 <@armabot> |Sticky|: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (7 players) || Super Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!! (6 players) || ~/EF~ ClanServer (1 more message)
00:13 <|Sticky|> cya
00:13 -!- super_duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
00:14 <Skip> #lastseen skip
00:14 <@armabot> Skip: -¦Ö¦, Skip has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 56 minutes ago.
00:14 <Skip> ...no
00:15 <Rico> #lastseen newb
00:15 <@armabot> Rico: Newbie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 9 hours 42 minutes ago.
00:15 <Skip> #lastseen SKIP
00:15 <@armabot> Skip: ¦Ö¦SKIP ¦×¥ seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
00:15 <Rico> shrunk sux
00:15 <Skip> shutup noob
00:16 <Skip> #insult rico
00:16 <Rico> ;o
00:16 <@armabot> rico - You are nothing but a tottering bucket of spam-sucking bat. 
00:16 <Skip> bahahaha
00:16 <Rico> #bitchslap skip
00:17 <madmax|pt> shrunk sucks? o_O
00:17 <madmax|pt> yeah,
00:17  * Rico hates it
00:17 <madmax|pt> #insult Rico 
00:17 <@armabot> Rico - You are nothing but a sheep-biting ass-full of fobbing dog. 
00:18 <|Sticky|> #version
00:18 <@armabot> |Sticky|: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.2.
00:18  * Rico cant stand that server
00:18 <Skip> it wins at roulette.. and mazing
00:18 <Rico> #roulette
00:18 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
00:18 <Skip> fort would be awesome for mazing.. if only the tail wasnt so ubershort
00:18 <Rico> spose
00:19 <Rico> #roulette
00:19 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
00:19  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:19 <Skip> #roulette
00:19 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
00:19 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:19 <Rico> xD
00:19 <|Sticky|> #nickometer Rico
00:19 <madmax|pt> someone make it a kick, ban
00:19 <madmax|pt> lol
00:19 <Rico> nickometer?
00:20 <Skip> somehow they need to implement irc kicks and bans for losing a 'challenge' match on tron
00:20 <|Sticky|> hmmm looks like the whole supybot is not on here
00:20 <Skip> you come in irc.. challenge someone on irc.. you play.. loser gets a 2 hour ban
00:20 <madmax|pt> that worked |Sticky| 
00:21 <|Sticky|> did it??
00:21 <madmax|pt> maybe someone disabled it because of ABUSIVE usage :P
00:21 <|Sticky|> #nickometer Rico
00:21 <|Sticky|> ok
00:21 <Rico> whats nickometer
00:21 <Rico> :S
00:21 <|Sticky|> tells you how lame a name is
00:21 <Rico> ooh
00:21 <Skip> #dict sticky
00:21 <@armabot> Skip: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sticky \Stick"y\, a. [Compar. {Stickier}; superl. {Stickiest}.] Having the quality of sticking to a surface; adhesive; gluey; viscous; viscid; glutinous; tenacious. [1913 Webster] Herbs which last longest are those of strong smell, and with a sticky stalk. --Bacon. [1913 Webster]; wn: sticky adj 1: having the properties of glue [syn: (6 more messages)
00:22 <Skip> sticky... you smell
00:22 <madmax|pt> Gluey would be a nice nick
00:22 <|Sticky|> #rainbow only idiots write in colour all the time
00:22 <Rico> #dict skip
00:22 <@armabot> Rico: wn, gcide, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: SKIP Simple Key-management for Internet Protocols (Internet, cryptography, Sun); gcide: Skip \Skip\, v. t. 1. To leap lightly over; as, to skip the rope. [1913 Webster] 2. To pass over or by without notice; to omit; to miss; as, to skip a line in reading; to skip a lesson. [1913 Webster] They who have a mind to see the issue may skip (13 more messages)
00:23 <|Sticky|> #commands
00:23 <|Sticky|> alot of stuff has been removed
00:24  * Rico slaps /me
00:24 <Rico> heh
00:25 <|Sticky|> #threads
00:25  * Rico * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
00:25 <Rico> afk
00:26 <madmax|pt> lol, someone tried to steal a Dakar motorbike
00:26 <|Sticky|> dakar??
00:26 <madmax|pt> any Dakar fans here? :D
00:26 <madmax|pt> don't know it? ><
00:26 <madmax|pt> Rally dakar
00:26 <Rico> oh that
00:26 <Rico> its shit
00:27 <madmax|pt> is not
00:27  * Rico thinks it is, and slaps madmax|pt
00:27 <madmax|pt> its the best off-road rally
00:27 <MaZuffeR> they started in portugal this year, right?
00:28 <Rico> im not a fan of rally anyhoo
00:28 <madmax|pt> yeah, last year too
00:28 <madmax|pt> and next too i think :)
00:28 <|Sticky|> #karma
00:29 <madmax|pt> ... well, they obviously found the bike through the GPS
00:29 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-091-089-011-161.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:30 <|Sticky|> #hangman
00:30 <|Sticky|> awww no hang man
00:30 <Rico> aha
00:30 <|Sticky|> #insult armabot
00:30 <@armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a petrified coagulation of fen-sucked grits. 
00:33 <Skip> -¦×¦-SKIP-¦×¦-
00:37 <Rico> #night
00:37 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
00:37 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit []
00:38 <Skip> yeah that works.. oO Ill just keep that nick.. its nice in flashy in a get my way with noobs sort of way
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00:42 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577BBAB6.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:52 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
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01:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, those smegheads are gone and we can talk now
01:02 <guru3> lol
01:03 <|Sticky|> heh
01:03 <|Sticky|> nope im still here
01:06 <guru3> we can fix that you know
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01:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe the problem with the ruleset is the uranus layout
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> it occurs to me that the civ placing algorithm might favor the area that's in the middle in the N/S direction under the reasoning that's more temperate
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> of course, reducing the spawn radius would prevent us from having most of our shit spawned on the pole
01:22 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
01:22 <Rico> re
01:27 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/thinking-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
01:44 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/octaxsumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
01:44 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:44 <Durka> #hello
01:45 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: OOPS! You naughty creature! You didn't run Configure with sh! || I will attempt to remedy the situation by running sh for you... || -- Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want to add a constitutional monarchy that gets you most of the benefits of republic and some of the benefits of monarchy
01:50 <Rico> #night
01:50 <@armabot> Good night Rico!
01:50 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit []
01:51 <madmax|pt> thats a curious quote
01:53 <Durka> #insult madmax|pt
01:53 <@armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a dizzy-eyed mound of plume-plucked scum. 
01:56 <madmax|pt> heh
01:57 <Durka> AHHHHH EAGLES WON!!!!
01:57 <Durka> W00T!!!
02:00 <madmax|pt> o_O
02:01 <Durka> :p
02:02 <madmax|pt> let me guess, "football"?
02:02 <Durka> yes
02:02 <Durka> football not fútbol
02:03 <madmax|pt> not fútbol, futebol
02:03 <madmax|pt> :P
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok, added constitutional monarchy :)
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02:09 <Durka> madmax: go to bed!
02:09 <Durka> #time
02:09 <@armabot> Durka: 02:16 AM, January 08, 2007
02:09 <Durka> O
02:09 <Durka> it's only 2 16
02:09 <Durka> nvr mind :p
02:09 <Durka> ;)
02:11 <madmax|pt> -1 here
02:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
02:12 <madmax|pt> and, im going to bed now
02:12 <madmax|pt> gnight
02:13 <Durka> bye
02:37 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-57-69-195.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> ah good, I was about to ask you to lock that thread, guru3 (hi there!) :)
02:39  * Durka sees spidey
02:40 <spidey> ...
02:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey, 
02:41 <DrJoeTron> this game drives me crazy:/
02:41 <DrJoeTron> defcon later tonight?
02:42 <spidey> amen!
02:42 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:43 <spidey> i'll have to shutdown my soldat server o.O
02:43 <Durka> spidey
02:43 <Durka> does
02:43 <Durka> j00 backa n00b
02:43 <Durka> ring a bell?
02:43 <spidey> maxing out my bandwidth i still get the same pings
02:43 <spidey> witch is weird
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't make sense that you need robotics to buid howitzers
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> *build
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> howitzers were WW2-era cannons
02:45 <spidey> no
02:45 <spidey> 1
02:45 <spidey> ww2 howitzers are artillery right?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, artillery is WWI cannons
02:45 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> except that artillery should be Civil War era :)
02:55 <Durka> #luke
02:55 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
02:55  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
02:55 <Durka> ?
02:55 <spidey> #luke
02:55 <armabot> spidey: *click*
02:55 <spidey> #last --with "#alias add"
02:55 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 13233 messages.
02:59 <ToddKitchen> #luke
02:59 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
02:59 <ToddKitchen> #last --from luke --with add
02:59 <armabot> ToddKitchen: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 13268 messages.
02:59 <ToddKitchen> hrmm
03:00 <ToddKitchen> bleh....i may be at this computer all night....maybe i should dl freeciv and svn here....
03:10 <spidey> heh
03:12 <spidey> DrJoeTron, when defcon?
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03:28 <ToddKitchen> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with svn
03:28 <armabot> ToddKitchen: [06:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:44 <spidey> ...
03:45 <spidey> hmm
03:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
03:46 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: pong
03:46 <spidey> Durka, stfu
03:46 <Durka> #luke
03:46 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
03:46 <Durka> :p
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
03:47 <spidey> can i have a svn account? :D
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> sure
03:48 <spidey> k
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> user is spidey
03:48 <spidey> k
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> lemme know if it doesn't work for some reason
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> I assume you wanted access to the davesciv repo, which is what I gave you :)
03:49 <spidey> yea
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> you got the PM with the pass, right?
03:49 <spidey> You don't have permission to access /davesrules/trunk on this server.
03:49 <spidey> :(
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm giving strong passwords to everyone because svn keeps it for you.  If it were something you'd have to remember and type in yourself, I'd ask what pass you want
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> try again
03:50 <spidey> same
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> what url are you using?
03:50 <spidey> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> also, you sure you're putting the user/pass in correctly?  :)
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> davesciv, isn't it?
03:51 <spidey> <ToddKitchen> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with svn
03:51 <spidey> <armabot> ToddKitchen: [06:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
03:51 <spidey> ?
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> not davesrules
03:51 <spidey> o
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> then I gave the wrong one to someone
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trunk  <--- so the next search will give the right one :)
03:51 <spidey> that one worked
03:55 <spidey> ok so what do i "need"
03:55 <spidey> flags and?
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04:06 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, my i ask why the tiles.png has a horse.......................... but i never seeen a horse square!?
04:06 <spidey> seals to
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> you may ask, but I can't necessarily answer :)
04:10 <spidey> ok so how do i use this?
04:10 <spidey> 'er
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> if you make your flag an svg, I can convert it
04:10 <spidey> how do i load the ruleset?
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> use what, exactly?  :)
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> start a server with -r data/dave.serv
04:10 <spidey> clientside*
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> alternately, like in a local game, do "/rulesetdir davesrules"
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> this is after you copy the repo directory over the freeciv data dir in your installation
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> after you copy the repo directory, you should be able to update/commit from in there
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> just be careful not to add files that are already there, it'll make updating a pain for other people
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> you have to add to misc/flags.spec your flag, btw.
04:12 <spidey> yea
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> so, your nation/whatever.ruleset file for your civ, references a flag that you add to misc/flags.spec
04:12 <spidey> i'm not running svn on this box
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> the flag graphic itself goes in flags
04:12 <spidey> i'm downloading it from my server then coping it
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, whatever you do.  :)
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> if you put an svg in flags, then whenever I get to it, I'll use freeciv's conversion tool to make the pngs
04:13 <spidey> svg?
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> there's a catch we discovered last night, though.  Has to do with external references, just try to get a good .svg and dont' convert
04:14 <spidey> what's a svg?
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  That's if you want me to run the conversion tool on it.  Otherwise, you can just put a png in there, that's what van did
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> scalable vector graphics.  Use inkscape to edit it.  Alternately, check openclipart.org to see if they have the flag you want (that's where I got mine)
04:15 <spidey> wow
04:15 <spidey> server locked me out
04:15 <spidey> :/
04:15 <spidey> i was apt-getting svn
04:15 <spidey> then it locked me out 
04:15 <spidey> can't even connect to the servers that where running >.<
04:16 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
04:16 <Durka> #hello
04:16 -!- |Sticky| [n=Sticky@80-41-114-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"]
04:16 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Thank God I'm an atheist.
04:16 <Durka> lol
04:18 <spidey> shouldn't that be a quot?
04:18 <spidey> quote*
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04:19 <spidey> took it long enough >.<
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04:29 <spidey> ok lets try this again xD
04:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i forgot how to use svn xD
04:31 <spidey> the client o.O
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> are you using the linux client?
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> or at least a commandline client?
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05:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, of course :p
05:12 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ready for defcon? :D
05:50 <mkzelda> spidey: The rls grp that put that out put out a crackfix
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07:03 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you've got some pretty dumb people down there in TX
07:03 <luke-jr> http://www.rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html
07:23 <ToddKitchen> there's some pretty dumb people in MO and KS as well
07:24 <ToddKitchen> and, i'd wager, about 47 other states as well
07:24 <ToddKitchen> and, perhaps, even in other countries
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> todd, what civ did you copy to make your civ, anyway?
07:27 <ToddKitchen> yours
07:27 <ToddKitchen> why?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's psycho :)
07:29 <ToddKitchen> howso?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> 4 civs, right?  Me, Dunedain, Mordor, and yours
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> yours is at war with everyone :)
07:29 <luke-jr> lol
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I met it, and it declared war the very next turn
07:31 <ToddKitchen> maybe you instigated it?
07:31 <ToddKitchen> i sure didn't raise it that way :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm Peace with everybody, not making alliances with known aggressive civs
07:34 <luke-jr> ...wtf
07:34 <luke-jr> 'mv' crashed my server
07:48 <ToddKitchen> wtg
07:59 <spidey> noob
07:59 <spidey> atleast apt-get didn't crash yours :/
08:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr ToddKitchen GodTodd ping?
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> what!
08:13 <spidey> we playin civ tonight? :p
08:16 <ToddKitchen> i'm not :P
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08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm playing right now, so probably won't play later
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I have to say, this constitutional monarchy is too strong
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's too many free units
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know where postfix keeps its logs?
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I figured out what's wrong with it
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08:58 <Lucifer_arma> man, the ais need to clean up their fucking pollution
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09:05 <ToddKitchen> there we go...a successful term paper finished on time :)
09:10 <spidey> lol
09:10 <spidey> 800 words?
09:10 <spidey> that's like what
09:10 <spidey> hours work? :p
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09:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, now you can edit my article :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> you know you're playing too much freeciv when you try to right-click to scroll your web browser
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09:18 <ToddKitchen> ok spidey...write an 800 word paper on the evolution of the American democracy...and make sure to follow MLA standards :P
09:18 <spidey> mla?
09:18 <ToddKitchen> yep
09:23 <ToddKitchen> it's cake once you do the research and formulate a cohesive structure in your head :)
09:35 <spidey> i want cake...
09:37 <spidey> i'll settle for fruitloops
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11:06 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6730 /private/z-man/clio/tests/ (18 files in 18 dirs): Added files to ignore list
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13:46 <Lucifer_arma> I love the names kids come up for things
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> I told my son to put on long pants because it's cold out, so he went to his mom and asked for "long-sleeve pants"
13:50 <guru3> l
13:50 <guru3> that's great ><
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14:29 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
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16:04 <DrJoeTron> I can play the jew's harp now :D
16:04 -!- CT|P4 is now known as P4
16:05 <DrJoeTron> or jaw harp
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> what's the jew's harp?  harmonica?
16:05 <DrJoeTron> or what ever the hell you call it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> round here we call it the "blues harp"
16:05 <P4> hi guys
16:06 <DrJoeTron> thats a harmonica
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> is he talking to me?
16:06 <DrJoeTron> jews harp is that instrument that makes that boing sound
16:06 <DrJoeTron> and has nothing to do with judaism
16:07 <DrJoeTron> like western movies
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16:07 <Lucifer_arma> that thing snoopy plays?
16:07 <DrJoeTron> nah
16:07 <DrJoeTron> Ill wiki it for you
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's the thing snoopy plays...
16:07 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_harp
16:08 <DrJoeTron> snoopy plays it?
16:08 <DrJoeTron> yeah he does
16:08 <DrJoeTron> ok
16:08 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:08 <DrJoeTron> thats the thing
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> Snoopy plays one in the animated film A Boy Named Charlie Brown
16:08 <DrJoeTron> I saw
16:09 <DrJoeTron> the wicker man?
16:09 <DrJoeTron> oh god
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'd love to play that :)
16:09 <DrJoeTron> its alot of fun
16:09 <DrJoeTron> hurts your teeth after a while
16:10 <DrJoeTron> I can see it destroying them
16:11 <DrJoeTron> seeing as how it involves you pressing it against them and plucking a metal thing
16:14 <z-man-work> Isn
16:14 <z-man-work> Isn't the vibrating thing supposed to go between your teeth?
16:14 <z-man-work> That
16:14 <z-man-work> gaa, unused to this keyboard
16:15 <z-man-work> That's how my father taught me quite a while back.
16:15 <DrJoeTron> z-man-work it does, but to make certain sounds you still have to bite it a little bit
16:15 <z-man-work> eek
16:15 <DrJoeTron> so the tips of my teeth are going to be ruined within like 12 years
16:16 <z-man-work> Nothing a load of candy won't do to them anyway :)
16:16 <DrJoeTron> thats right!
16:16 <DrJoeTron> I eat a jaw breaker right before bed
16:16 <DrJoeTron> dentists orders
16:18 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:18 <DrJoeTron> good forum lock
16:18 <DrJoeTron> HAI DEVS GET 2 WURK
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16:20 <z-man-work> I didn't see it was locked :)
16:20 <z-man-work> Also, noone can explain Kenny what "Last man standing" means.
16:21 <z-man-work> Not as if anyone would have tried...
16:25 <DrJoeTron> well thats locked troo
16:25 <DrJoeTron> too*
16:28 <guru3> i should get a plate for my room
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16:38 <guru3> in other news
16:38 <guru3> ive got a like 35p pizza
16:38 <DrJoeTron> I've got peanut butter filled pretzels
16:38 <guru3> peanut butter + pretzel is ok
16:38 <guru3> but not what im after atm
16:38 <ToddKitchen> you would, joe
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16:42 <Rico> hi
16:44 <guru3> that was tasty
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> er
16:45  * Lucifer_arma is tired of trying to explain what rubber is
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, how many times does some idiot have to say "You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want" before you get disgusted with the whole thing?
16:45 <ToddKitchen> 42
16:45  * Lucifer_arma is turning into a misanthropist
16:46 <z-man-work> Is that a fancy word for ass?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> sure
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> my wife has a nice misanthropist
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> #dict misanthropist
16:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Connection refused.
16:47 <guru3> haha
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the dictionary's broken
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> #list google
16:47 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell misanthropist
16:48 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it was too good to expect google to actually define the word
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=5906074&nav=2KPp
16:51 <z-man-work> whoops
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was the unseasonably cold weather?
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> maybe some gust of wind knocked them against a skyscraper?
16:52 <z-man-work> Hey, the same could happen to humans!
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> nah, they outlawed being homeless 10 years ago
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I wish I could hang it on Bush since he was governor then, but it was the Austin city council what done it
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> obviously they're worried it's that evil bird flu
16:54 <z-man-work> Yeah, but then merely closing down the city center would have zero effect
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> but it did approach freezing last night, and what with the warm weather I could see how migratory birds might have thought they had gone far enough only to get whacked by the cold
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16:55 <epsy> hi
16:55 <z-man-work> A more likely theory, yes.
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it is the bird flu, they can mitigate some of the damage those particular dead birds could cause
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> also, if it is the bird flu, well, most of the migratory birds in the US pass through this area
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, if they find it, that means it's already in most of the country, or will be in 6 months
16:56 <ToddKitchen> no...you "pass through" kansas...you "visit" texas ;)
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's only because it takes so goddammed long to pass through texas
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, a lot of canadian birds only go as far south as texas for the winter
16:56 <ToddKitchen> hell yeah it does
16:57 <ToddKitchen> 12 hour trip to new mexico and we spend like 9 of it in texas
16:57 <ToddKitchen> and that's not even the whole damn state
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> you're lucky.  Same 12 hour trip, only we spend 11 of it in texas because we have to go through el paso
16:57 <ToddKitchen> heh
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> I hear it's only 6 hours to lousiana, though
16:58 <ToddKitchen> less than that for us to shreveport, i think
16:58 <ToddKitchen> not sure tho
16:58 <ToddKitchen> 4-5 i believe
16:58 <ToddKitchen> hell i can be in oklahoma within an hour
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> 3iggy (ignaciomartinez10@hotmail.com) last active on Thursday, January 1, 1970- 12:00am. <--- I have the oldest website in the world!
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> oops, didn't mean to put the poor guy's email address in here
16:59 <ToddKitchen> heh
16:59  * ToddKitchen sells it to a spam list.
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16:59 <Ricochet> re
17:00 <DrJoeTron> tard
17:00 <ToddKitchen> joe, don't be so hard on yourself
17:00 <DrJoeTron>  :downs:
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/010806kvuegas-eh.1d105600.html
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> a more detailed article :)
17:00 <Ricochet> ehm whys my other nick still "logged on"
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> the dead birds were all found near the capitol, on south congress
17:00 <Ricochet> i just rebooted
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> er, just congress in that part of town
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's south congress after it crosses the river :)
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they were killed by bats, then :)
17:02 <ToddKitchen> we have bats here too?
17:02 <ToddKitchen> dammit
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 75 * 5 * 4
17:02 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 75 * 5 * 4 = 1,500
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, why do you think our hockey team is called the AUstin Icebats?
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> we have the largest bat population in north america, and most of them live under the south congress bridge
17:03 <ToddKitchen> honestly didn't know that
17:03 <ToddKitchen> heh
17:03 <ToddKitchen> more than carlsbad even?
17:03 <ToddKitchen> that's a lot
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> man, they're under every freaking bridge around here
17:03 <ToddKitchen> go into business selling guano?
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> too many liberals around here.  I can already see the envirofreaks whining about farming the bat population
17:05 <ToddKitchen> haha
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> these dead birds being near the capitol is interesting though
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> it could be terrorists!  arrrrrr!
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> ahoy matey, and set free ye bird killer!
17:06 <ToddKitchen> pirate terrorists now?
17:06 <ToddKitchen> the patriot act would allow us to put them in the hold indefinitely, eh?
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe perry just ate at Chuy's last night
17:07 <ToddKitchen> bahahaha
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> nah, governor's mansion isn't that close to the capitol
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> they closed congress from 1st to 11th
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> the capitol is on 12th, iirc
17:08 <ToddKitchen> hell no...capitols are usually in the bad parts of towns
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a few blocks away from 7th, which is where all the rapes happen
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> my wife used to know a girl who got raped on 7th, literally a few hundred yards from the cop shop
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> and a block away from that is the world famous 6th Street :)
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> (the reason people get mugged/raped on 7th is because that's the route to the parking lots under the freeway)
17:10 <ToddKitchen> ahhh
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17:15 <Lucifer_arma> #g 80 * 5 * 4
17:15 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: 80 * 5 * 4 = 1,600
17:15 <Ricochet> #roulette
17:15 <@armabot> Ricochet: *click*
17:17 <Ricochet> whats the cmd to change nick? (/me is new to irc)
17:17 <ToddKitchen>  /nick
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17:18 <Rico> ty
17:34 <epsy> where i can find some introduction to inkscape?
17:36 <Rico> no idea
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18:06 <Rico> hi max hi kenny
18:06 <madmax|pt> hi
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18:07 <madmax|pt> #lastseen cusco
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18:07 <k3nNy> hey alex
18:07 <@armabot> madmax|pt: cusco-mac has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 1 days 16 hours 0 minutes ago.
18:08 <k3nNy> what is that feature, max, you can check when sb was on which server the last time?
18:08 <madmax|pt> yes
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
18:08 <k3nNy> nice :)
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #alias bigbrother "lastseen"
18:09 <k3nNy> ?
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rouletté, roulétte, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and (1 more message)
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add bigbrother "lastseen"
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #bigbrother Lucifer
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: timed out
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #bigbrother wrtl
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer has last been seen on G-Land (A Swamplords server) 5 days 8 hours 21 minutes ago.
18:09 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress 0 days 20 hours 30 minutes ago.
18:10 <k3nNy> not bad :)
18:10 <madmax|pt> does .2.8.2 have a bug about instant kills?
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, but bug reports for that are only valid if you don't play on lobster cage
18:12 <madmax|pt> on G-Land that happens to me a bit often (people crashing in my walls that is), and ca$h said yesterday that it was a bug on the version the server was running
18:12 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails G-land
18:12 <@armabot> madmax|pt: G-Land (A Swamplords server): No online players.
18:12 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails -v G-land
18:12 <@armabot> madmax|pt: G-Land (A Swamplords server) ( running mac unix dedicated, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “Hosted by gss - A swamplords server.  Similar to Swampland: medium rubber, medium speed, no brakes, multi-bind friendly.  Show us what you've got!“, No online players.
18:12 <madmax|pt> ack
18:12 <madmax|pt> i guess its not
18:14 <madmax|pt> probably my ping there is the cause
18:14 <madmax|pt> heh
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> blaming lag is for sissies :)
18:15 <madmax|pt> I agree, fact is, im not doing it :P
18:16 <madmax|pt> it seems to happen much more often when its people grinding my walls
18:16 <madmax|pt> *are
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18:23 <DrJoeTron>  I'm going to start kicking people if they ever blame lag for there death
18:24 <DrJoeTron> because we all know its there, you probably would have died if there was no lag.
18:24 <DrJoeTron> people need to embrace the fact that lag is apart of the gameplay
18:24 <DrJoeTron> and watch the friggin lagometer :d
18:25 <Rico> yea but theres normal lag, which ppl can deal with, but its the random unpredictable lag that gets me
18:25 <DrJoeTron> its not like anyone else DOESN't Get it
18:25 <Rico> i know
18:25 <DrJoeTron> soo
18:26 <DrJoeTron> theres no point
18:26 <Rico> unless its my isp
18:26 <Rico> which is awful
18:26 <DrJoeTron> if you don't see a screen
18:26 <DrJoeTron> then thats a problem
18:27 <madmax|pt> yeah, the lagometer proves pretty useful. on those "i'm ahead" issues for instance, you can be pretty sure if you are ahead or not.
18:27 <Rico> unless of course its the oops team sumo
18:27 <Rico> aka lag central
18:27 <madmax|pt> heh i hate when people blame lag everytime they die
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> I for one am happy the lagometer finally shows the player's color
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> less accidental teamkills that way
18:27 <madmax|pt> same with the "?", "omg", "????", etc.
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, sometimes you just have to say "what the FUCK happened?"
18:28 <Rico> lol
18:28 <madmax|pt> lol
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to take the approach that every time I die, it means I fucked up, no matter what
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> that way, when I do blame lag, I feel pretty confident it aactually was lag and not just me looking for a cop-out
18:28 <Rico> you have to be honest though (max) that oops team sumo is ridiculously unpredictable
18:28 <DrJoeTron> or like "I could've sworn I made that... oh well"
18:29 <DrJoeTron> going "OMFG LAGGG!!!!!" just makes me laugh 
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18:29 <Rico> yup
18:29 <madmax|pt> i'm trying to make a perfect anti-lag taunt, currently it is "Lag is pretty fun if you ask me." but i guess thats not good enough
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> and then I don't argue it.  If I say "lag" and I think it really was lag, and someone says "No, you just suck", don't argue it
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18:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Lag only kills cockbleeding chickenshit sissies"?
18:30 <madmax|pt> Hm, that sounds ok.
18:30 <madmax|pt> is it copyrighted?
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> of course!
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> GPL, though
18:30 <DrJoeTron> I still like "I don't suck, you're cheating!
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> so make sure you distribute the sources!
18:30 <madmax|pt> :)
18:30 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: is that an option?
18:31 <luke-jr_work> the colours lag-o-meter
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: if you distribute the binary, you have to give up the sources on request
18:31 <luke-jr_work> coloured*
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> oh
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> I dont know, I think it's just the way it is now
18:31 <luke-jr_work> I think I prefer white
18:31 <luke-jr_work> "now"?
18:31 <z-man-work> yeah, the blend value is a parameter
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> as in "after it was implemented"
18:31 <madmax|pt> Rico: not that "ridiculously unpredictable"... but yes, sometimes its pretty bad, but, since its for everyone...
18:32 <luke-jr_work> ooh, so I could have a 50% white, 50% colour?
18:32 <luke-jr_work> that sounds nice
18:32 <z-man-work> yes
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's be honest.  Most of the time your ISP is consistent one way or the other
18:32 <luke-jr_work> a tinted lag-o-meter :)
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> so you're going to have serious problems when your ISP is not consistent
18:32 <madmax|pt> theres no point in blaming lag, someone is already dead, and someone else just went away happy, who cares
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you really want to know...
18:32 <Rico> hm, i guess
18:33 <madmax|pt> perhaps the next time it will be the opposite, and you'll get "lucky"
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> perhaps
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes it's useful to know why you died so you can figure out a way not to die next time that happens
18:33 <k3nNy> that remindes me of a funny death of durka yesterday at the ladle
18:33 <k3nNy> i was watching him and someone attacked him an i though the attacker is dead
18:33 <k3nNy> but durka was
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes it's useful to know why what you did worked, and if it worked because of lag, you need to know that befor eyou try it on one of those damn 60-pingers
18:34 <DrJoeTron> only 2 games for the VC today :
18:36 <DrJoeTron> well I just broke my lip sneezing :/
18:36 <madmax|pt> when i start to see the ... "blurry screen" effect, i generally go into a ... defensive mode
18:37 <DrJoeTron> when I alt tab
18:37 <DrJoeTron> the lagometers get huge
18:37 <DrJoeTron> and I just sit there and go "well fuck" and wait to die.
18:37 <madmax|pt> lol yep
18:37 <DrJoeTron> and its like "wait maybe I can get awa...NOPE"
18:38 <madmax|pt> thats particularly nice when you switch fullscreen on a fortress start
18:38 <DrJoeTron> and then I proceed to type in red annoying text and blame lag and shout racial slurs
18:38 <DrJoeTron> just to let everyone know I died
18:39 <DrJoeTron> because the game doesn't ever say it
18:39 <DrJoeTron> so I think people need to know
18:41 <cusco> yoo madmax|pt 
18:41 <madmax|pt> ah, you're alive 
18:42 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:46 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: yeah, there are instant kills
18:46 <wrtlprnft> I don't understand z-man-work's reason, but he says fixing it would more or less require a rewrite of the engine
18:49 <luke-jr_work> I thought z-man-work was opposing the rewrite?
18:49 <luke-jr_work> has that changed?
18:51 <z-man-work> no :)
18:51 <z-man-work> Fixing the instant kills would require only a rewrite of the core engine.
18:51 <z-man-work> I'm not opposed to rewriting individual systems as the need arises.
18:51 <z-man-work> What I'm opposed against is trowing away everything.
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18:53 <z-man-work> In the case of the instant kills, the entire way we think about game objects and network syncs would be affected. It would lead to big simplifications all over the place, but it would be something with big side effects.
18:53 <z-man-work> Not anything that can be done on a rainy afternoon :)
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18:54 <z-man-work> Getting rid of ping charity would also, in theory, get rid of the instant kills.
18:55 <z-man-work> Or getting rid of rubber :)
18:57 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: the reason behind the instant kills is that each game object has its own time. Depending on the player's ping, they are allowed to trail behind the real server time by various amounts (ping/2 if ping charity is big).
18:57 <madmax|pt> ...now that would cause big effects.
18:58 <z-man-work> So to really know which game object comes first in a collision, both must be simulated up to the time of the collision...
18:58 <z-man-work> and by then, the early, low-ping game object may already be simulated too far ahead to revert to the safe spot before the collision.
19:04 <z-man-work> z-man's gameplay tip for the instant kills: don't turn. You only get instakilled if the other guy was ahead, had a higher ping than you and you turned after crossing his wall.
19:06 <madmax|pt> thats pretty much what I've been seing. makes sense
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19:21 <wrtlprnft> don't turn? o_O
19:25 <z-man-work> Hey, if you don't like mine, get your gameplay advice from somewhere else :)
19:26 <wrtlprnft> i don't understand how that would help
19:26 <z-man-work> The problem is this: only when the high ping player drives into your wall...
19:27 <z-man-work> the engine knows there has been a collision. But the high ping player is now determined to actually have been at the collision point before you!
19:27 <wrtlprnft> but how does turning change this?
19:27 <z-man-work> So the game has do do something about it. If it can, it places you back just before the collision point.
19:27 <wrtlprnft> ah, after turns it can't do that
19:27 <luke-jr_work> z-man-work: a rewrite could recycle old code as needed
19:27 <wrtlprnft> now it makes sense
19:28 <z-man-work> If you turned, it can't place you back any more. You've altered data structures in an irreversible way.
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19:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: fine, then the engine rewrite would be a rewrite of all of arma
19:28 <wrtlprnft> we'll just recycle all code except the engine code :)
19:29 <z-man-work> A smaller eGrid rewrite could make the data structure chage reversible, that would be another possibility. But still, putting you back is a semi-ugly hack even now if you didn't turn.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> bbl, supper
19:29 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: I'm not sure the other code will all work with a rewritten engine as-is
19:30 <luke-jr_work> note my proposal reduced the main binary to a mere engine too
19:31 <z-man-work> luke-jr_work: I think I made it pretty clear that my final word on this has been spoken. It's madness. You don't even have a plan what exacly should be rewritten.
19:32 <luke-jr_work> easier than modifying our current code to do everything
19:32 <z-man-work> You can't prove that without a plan.
19:32 <luke-jr_work> or at least just as easy
19:33 <luke-jr_work> my first post on the matter had a plan
19:33 <z-man-work> "just as easy" is not enough to justify no releasable build for three years to come.
19:33 <z-man-work> No, that wasn't a plan. That was just a list.
19:33 <z-man-work> You didn't even pinpoint the problems in the current code that need fixing.
19:34 <luke-jr_work> you said the "no releasable build for three years", not I
19:34 <z-man-work> And most of your list items are NEW systems anyway
19:34 <luke-jr_work> if there wasn't new stuff we needed, there'd be no reason for code changes, let alone a rewrite
19:34 <z-man-work> Well, without a plan, I'm just assuming the rewrite would take half as long as getting here in the first place, which were six years.
19:34 <z-man-work> three years is my optimistic estimate.
19:35 <luke-jr_work> how much of that time was spent doing nothing?
19:35 <luke-jr_work> you're also assuming the current code base is totally abandoned and left unmaintained
19:35 <z-man-work> Right. Add another two years for that work.
19:36 <luke-jr_work> you missed the part about using a higher level language where possible, allowing faster development and more developers, too
19:36 <z-man-work> So we can pick between three years without releases and five years with minimal maintanance releases.
19:37 <z-man-work> Where are those developers going to come from?
19:37 <luke-jr_work> the community, I would presume
19:37 <z-man-work> Fact is, developers are attracted by releases.
19:37 <z-man-work> You see something cool, you decide to contribute.
19:38 <luke-jr_work> what does a release have to do with something cool?
19:38 <z-man-work> If you don't see something because it's only being built, you don't come.
19:38 <luke-jr_work> well, releases*
19:38 <luke-jr_work> there's already past releases as examples to attract people
19:38 <z-man-work> Not nearly as effective as fresh releases.
19:39 <luke-jr_work> it seems to me Arma didn't get nearly as much development until it was abandoned for some months
19:39 <z-man-work> That's because I'm a lousy team coordinator :) I scared everyone who contributed bits away. guru3 is much better at that.
19:40 <luke-jr_work> you're also assuming we don't have releases of the new version until it's complete
19:40  * z-man-work is off for dinner (going home first, obviosly)
19:41 <z-man-work> and I really see zero reason to discuss this further without a REAL plan.
19:41 <z-man-work> Because in the end, not nearly as much code needs rewriting as you assume now.
19:42 <z-man-work> Apart from the config system and the UI, every system is pretty well isolated and can be refactored independend from the others.
19:42 <z-man-work> Without trailing tons of changes.
19:43 <z-man-work> See the socket handling refactoring a while back for reference. Same thing with the horrible gGame: it's not actually used from the outside, so it can be handled as an isolated problem.
19:43 <z-man-work> No need to tear down the building to change a lightbulb.
19:43  * z-man-work is really off now.
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20:50 <wrtlprnft> i hate armabell
20:50 <wrtlprnft> the maps it generates are crap.
20:50 <DrJoeTron> thats still in use?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> by some people
20:50 <wrtlprnft> it's the easiest to use map editor out there
20:51 <wrtlprnft> it generates tons of redundand points
20:51 <luke-jr_work> ouch
20:51 <luke-jr_work> is the src open?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no
20:51 <wrtlprnft> and it was lost in a hd crash
20:51 <luke-jr_work> does it use our code?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no
20:51 <luke-jr_work> hm
20:52 <wrtlprnft> what would it use it for?
20:52 <luke-jr_work> what language was it?
20:52 <luke-jr_work> XML? shrug
20:52 <luke-jr_work> our DTD maybe
20:52 <luke-jr_work> tho I don't recall the DTD license
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i doubt it uses a DTD
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20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 50/48
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: 50 / 48 = 1.04166667
20:53 <luke-jr_work> decompile it maybe
20:53 <wrtlprnft> look at the thread. iF is super prod that he made it extra hard
20:55 <wrtlprnft> *proud
20:55 <DrJoeTron> does iF even play arma anymore?
20:55 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:55 <luke-jr_work> what thread?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> search for armabell
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21:42 <|Sticky|> quite in here
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it is quiet quite often ;)
21:43 <|Sticky|> :P
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i guess i'm the person talking the least in here
21:46 <wrtlprnft> no
21:46 <wrtlprnft> that's deja_vu 
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm yeah
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could be
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> where's the ircstats?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> #ircstats
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol ><
21:47 <@armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
21:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
21:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm on rank 14
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm probably just improving it ><
21:53 <wrtlprnft> hehe
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wondering if i should be listening to loud music
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> neighbors might not like me doing that
21:54  * wrtlprnft wonders if the newest DRM madness already forces you to listen to your music at a given volume
21:56 <deja_vu> thanks wrtlprnft :P
21:56 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:56 <wrtlprnft> see, i'm helping you to change that
21:57 <deja_vu> :p
22:02 <luke-jr_work> [Xpert]DarkStar: ... it's in the topic
22:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_work: seen it myself in the meantime
22:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it wasn't visible to me as my terminal window was too small
22:04 <luke-jr_work> heh
22:16 <spidey> #last --with spidey
22:16 <@armabot> spidey: [09:25:18] <ToddKitchen> ok spidey...write an 800 word paper on the evolution of the American democracy...and make sure to follow MLA standards :P
22:18 <spidey> wow
22:19 <spidey> there's a clan called "tronners in pajamas" and one called "brotherz from another motherz"
22:19 <spidey> o.o
22:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
22:24 <DrJoeTron> pong
22:24 <spidey> no defcon last night? :(
22:25 <DrJoeTron> sorry, I had to wake up early :/
22:25 <DrJoeTron> baby I can change
22:25 <spidey> YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT!
22:25 <DrJoeTron> :/
22:25  * spidey throws the ring at joes face and stomps out the door
22:26 <k3nNy> xD
22:26 <DrJoeTron> :O
22:26 <DrJoeTron> hm....
22:26 <DrJoeTron> \o/
22:26 <DrJoeTron> I'm free!
22:26 <spidey> lmao
22:26 <DrJoeTron> I think lmao should be replaced with lmbo
22:27 <spidey> ??
22:27 <DrJoeTron> it sounds better
22:27 <spidey> right...
22:27 <spidey> how about defcon now? :p
22:27 <DrJoeTron> my friend just came up the drive way
22:28 <DrJoeTron> possibly later tonight
22:28 <DrJoeTron> see ya
22:28 <spidey> telll him to go away!
22:37 <wrtlprnft> in tron, who's the user of that RAM program?
22:37 <wrtlprnft> the one that ends up dying shortly after the lightcycle thing
22:38 <k3nNy> i dont know what ur talking about :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> movie
22:38 <k3nNy> ooooooh :) well i only have seen parts of it so i really dont now it
22:39 <z-man> He/she is unknown. Isn't RAM an accounting program?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:39 <z-man> Or was that the other guy from the cell?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> there's three
22:39 <wrtlprnft> one's flynn, one's tron, and one's that ram guy
22:39 <z-man> yeah, that's the lightcycle team.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:39 <z-man> but earler, there are at least two other programs.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> well, one's killed by flynn
22:40 <z-man> the one that introduces Flynn to the grid rules
22:40 <z-man> and that one :)
22:40 <wrtlprnft> umm, the guy who introduces him is the guy that's talking to the MCP all the time, right?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> just asked about RAM to be sure i didn't miss any connection :)
22:41 <z-man> No, I didn't mean him. I meant the other friendly blue guy.
22:41 <z-man> the "at least two other programs" should have been "at least two other blue programs".
22:41 <wrtlprnft> but that one never gets named
22:41 <z-man> Plenty of evil red ones about.
22:41 <z-man> true.
22:42 <wrtlprnft> obviously there's a lot of guys at the same time when flynn sees tron for the first time
22:42 <wrtlprnft> but they never even talk, except one
22:42 <wrtlprnft> *for one
22:44 <wrtlprnft> but the lightcycle sequence never shows any CYCLE_ACCEL :(
22:44 <z-man> STFU :)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> so gltron's simulation is more accurate with the small boost you get :P
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not that it matters, of course, grinding is fun :)
22:47  * wrtlprnft wonders what the pacman is doing on that big map right after they escape from the grid
22:47 <luke-jr_work> heh
22:47 <luke-jr_work> not much
22:47 <luke-jr_work> he's somehow not moving
22:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/pacman.png for those who haven't seen it
22:49 <k3nNy> wrtl: maybe this helps you out:
22:49 <k3nNy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28film%29
22:50 <k3nNy> further below under cast theres this
22:50 <k3nNy> # Dan Shor ... Ram but dont ask me what it is :)
22:52 <wrtlprnft> what a boring way :P
22:52 <k3nNy> :) true
22:54 <wrtlprnft> aanyways, where tron and ram kill that blue guy in the lightcycle sequence, that would be suicide in arma
22:55 <wrtlprnft> probably one of them would have died and the blue guy could have escaped through the hole
22:55 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry2-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
22:55 <k3nNy> yup
22:56 <wrtlprnft> and because of the super-high acceleration between two walls he'd have taken them over anyways
22:56 <z-man> Umm, CYCLE_WIDTH?
22:56 <z-man> And we don't know what CYCLE_DELAY is set at.
22:56 <k3nNy> xD
22:57 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i don't think they can double bind
22:57 <wrtlprnft> though, adjusting might work
22:57 <wrtlprnft> if they do it at the same time
22:59 <z-man> We could do a competition: re-create the Tron LC sequence in Arma as best as you can :)
22:59 <z-man> different difficulties, of course.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:59 <z-man> Basic difficulty: every shot, different settings and a fresh start are allowed.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> note there's a short one at the beginning, too
22:59 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry2-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
23:01 <z-man> Medium: same settings for all shots, but restarts are allowed.
23:01 <z-man> Hardest: all in a single session :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be pretty impossible without rubber and brakes, at that speed
23:01 <z-man> Bonus points for getting Flynn to the other side of his own wall when he escapes after crashing the blue guy :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that part that's in incam mode
23:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:02 <z-man> Flynn makes that one guy crash into the rim, right?
23:02 <z-man> And then escapes through the hole.
23:02 <z-man> but, how does he get to the hole?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> all the way around his own tail?
23:02 <z-man> He has to go all the way round his own wall.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> there's cuts, pbviously
23:02 <wrtlprnft> *o
23:03  * z-man is still sceptical
23:03 <yojimbo> perhaps he takes the bridge?
23:03 <yojimbo> not sure what u talk about :P . . .
23:03 <wrtlprnft> ramps and flying cycles?
23:03 <z-man> and Lasers!
23:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:04 <wrtlprnft> they just don't show it
23:05 <wrtlprnft> how the f** does that work anyways?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> they both go straight, meet each other at the centre
23:05 <z-man> Good timing?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> then gold does an u- turn around blue
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and then, how do they get to a blue corner without any sign of a gold wall?
23:06 <yojimbo> wait...what ya all watching?
23:06 <yojimbo>  /talking about...?
23:06  * yojimbo is confused
23:06 <wrtlprnft> tron :P
23:07 <yojimbo> i see
23:07 <yojimbo> :p
23:07  * wrtlprnft still doesn't see how that's possible
23:08 <z-man> Yeah, the global strategy is pretty much made up to look good in the individual shots :)
23:09 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:09 <wrtlprnft> well, it's not possible imho
23:09 <yojimbo> I like to ride my trooon....
23:09 <wrtlprnft> the first blue guy to die can't hit a rim wall
23:09 <yojimbo> what about the less honest opinion...
23:09 <yojimbo> ?
23:10 <yojimbo> dont mind me
23:10 <z-man> You don't need to tell us that :)
23:15 <z-man> I actually haven't seen the LC sequence in a while, so I can't remember specific inconsistencies. But I do remember trying to put it all together and failing.
23:15 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
23:15 <k3nNy> what is that armabot saying all the time
23:16 <yojimbo> jus talking about life....death...and whats in between...
23:17 <yojimbo> tron being the thing inbetween...
23:17 <yojimbo> hmmm....
23:17 <yojimbo> that doesnt make sense
23:17 <luke-jr_work> k3nNy: new maps
23:17 <k3nNy> hm kk :)
23:18 <k3nNy> they get released here everytime?
23:18 <luke-jr_work> announced
23:18 <luke-jr_work> as do all changes to the game code
23:18 <k3nNy> ah k
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:20 <@armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:20 <k3nNy> gn8
23:20 <yojimbo> guten nacht
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