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Log from 2007-01-07:
--- Day changed Sun Jan 07 2007
00:01 <spidey> well
00:02 <spidey> i'm helping micro set it up
00:02 <spidey> heh
00:02 <spidey> i be damned if it has 32 rubber too :|
00:07 <spidey> http://www.microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=115026#115026   
00:07 <spidey> @ wrtlprnft 
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00:12 <spidey> well
00:12 <spidey> i would figure
00:12 <spidey> micro wants 20-22 for the fortress server
00:12 <spidey> >.<
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00:13 <Durka> #hello
00:13 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: linux: the choice of a GNU generation || (ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93)
00:14 <Durka> is Luci here?
00:16 <Durka> #last --from Lucifer_arma
00:16 <armabot> Durka: [23:15:01] * Lucifer_arma drops a php-nuke on spidey's house
00:16 <Durka> #time
00:16 <armabot> Durka: 12:23 AM, January 07, 2007
00:18 <Durka> so that was a long time ago?
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=115031#115031
00:19 <spidey> wrtlprnft, this fortress server is gonna suck
00:19 <spidey> he's trying to make it like mbc server
00:20 <spidey> 900 walls
00:20 <spidey> 11 rubber (was 20)
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't mind the idea of a high rubber server, if the settings make sense
00:20 <wrtlprnft> of course the wall length would need to stay about the same as with bf settings
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00:33  * Durka pokes joe
00:33 <Durka> #night
00:33 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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00:33 <spidey> #armaconfig shrink
00:33 <SuPeRTaRD> ~¿~ Zzz²
00:33 <spidey> #ping
00:33 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK: Distance multiplier in wall length calculation. All values are legal. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSETDistance: offset in wall length calculation. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSET_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) (1 more message)
00:33 <armabot> pong
00:34 <SuPeRTaRD> ping?
00:34 <SuPeRTaRD> PONG!
00:35  * Lucifer_arma writes on the chalkboard 100 times, "I will brush my hair every day!"
00:38 <SuPeRTaRD> hehe
00:38  * SuPeRTaRD screams at the teacher "I WILL WEAR A HAT EVERY DAY!" *
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <Hyper7> heya ST - how ya going ?
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> good
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> enjoying my vacation
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> gonna go ride bike in a sec
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> & share music
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> sneakernet
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> bmxnet
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> i d/l the RATM discography yesterday
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> have 1/4 of it on my watch
00:39 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> it was 2gigs
00:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft, microbuscity.com 4526 :p
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00:43 <wrtlprnft> 4526?!
00:43 <wrtlprnft> you mean 4536, right
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:43 <spidey> yea
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01:17 <spidey> the rubber was 22 before you joined :p
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01:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O
01:18 <spidey> yea i got him to lower it to 11
01:18 <spidey> 22 is to high even if it's 3 axis
01:19 <GodTodd> #last --from VanHayes --with www.
01:19 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2852 messages.
01:19 <GodTodd> blah
01:19 <GodTodd> #last --from VanHayes --with nation
01:19 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2855 messages.
01:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: feel like making a custom map for MBC so the axes aren't that screwed up?
01:19  * wrtlprnft doesn't
01:20 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Nations that what you were looking for GodTodd ?
01:20 <wrtlprnft> use the angles 0, -60, -120, -180, -240, -320
01:20 <wrtlprnft> in that order
01:20 <wrtlprnft> err, no, don't
01:20 <GodTodd> yeah :) thanks
01:20 <wrtlprnft> use the angles 20, -40, -100, -160, -220, -300
01:20 <wrtlprnft> that
01:21 <GodTodd> i thought i had bookmarked it but i guess not :/
01:23 <spidey> maybe
01:23 <spidey> but i dunno how to make maps :p
01:24 <wrtlprnft> wiki.
01:24 <wrtlprnft> whatever, i'll do it
01:24 <wrtlprnft> sec
01:29 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft/fortress/hexa_boring-1.aamap.xml
01:29 <wrtlprnft> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
01:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: fix it
01:30 <wrtlprnft> (hi there :D ! ;) :) O_o)
01:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: making your own civ now?
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01:48 <GodTodd> working on it, yeah
01:48 <GodTodd> Just need a few more city names and a flag
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02:16 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM AST; Tonight - Periods of rain ending late this evening then cloudy periods. Risk of thundershowers. Amount 2 to 4 mm. Fog patches dissipating overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h gusting to 50 becoming west 40 gusting to 60 (1 more message)
02:17 <Vanhayes> #more
02:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: overnight. Low plus 2.; Sunday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind west 40 km/h gusting to 60. High plus 4. Sunday night..a few clouds. Wind northwest 30 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low minus 6.; Monday - Snow mixed with rain. High 12.;
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02:54 <GodTodd> hmmm
03:00 <GodTodd> anyone successfully converted an svg file to the png files through freeciv's steps?
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> I hve
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> have
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> I
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> yes
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> have you got an svn client yet?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> I just spent some time setting up my data directory so I can do real svn updates to it :)
03:07 <GodTodd> yeah...i do
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> figured out how to do a checkout with it yet?
03:07 <GodTodd> you have a way to convert the svg file on there? ;)
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you put it in there, I could dig up the freeciv instructions and see if I can manage it :)
03:08 <GodTodd> erm...i checked out the arma trunk a while back...i could probably remember how
03:08 <GodTodd> it's something about the dev verson and ./convert_png <nationname>.svg
03:08 <GodTodd> version*
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> something like that.  I downloaded the dev version and built the tool, so I have it, I just need to remember how.
03:09 <GodTodd> ahhh
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> see, I made my flag with it.  :)  Got an svg from openclipart.org and did the freeciv stuff to it
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> the shield doesn't look very good though.  :/
03:10 <GodTodd> heh
03:11 <GodTodd> yeah...i got a cool free image and i want it for my flag
03:11 <GodTodd> :)
03:11 <GodTodd> already converted it to svg
03:12 <GodTodd> ok...what should i check out?
03:13 <GodTodd> and from where?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trunk
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's set up so you can just copy the directory over your freeciv data directory to use it
03:15 <GodTodd> Error: URL 'https://svn.davefancella.com/davesciv/trun' doesn't exist  
03:15 <GodTodd> hmmm
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> needs a k
03:16 <GodTodd> yeah i saw that
03:16 <GodTodd> as soon as i pasted :)
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> you can take /msg's right?
03:18 <GodTodd> now...what do i do here?
03:18 <GodTodd> should be able to
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> you're away
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it?
03:18 <GodTodd> yeah
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's your password.  User is 'godtodd'
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> copy your flag svg to the flags subdirectory, and your nation ruleset to the nations
03:19 <GodTodd> k
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> you know, just copy the stuff in like you have it, probably :)
03:19 <GodTodd> ok...
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> then add, if you're using tortoiseSVN you probably just right-click and say "add to repository" or something like that
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> then commit somehow :)
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get prompted for username and password if you haven't already, provide those and a helpful commit message :)
03:22 <Vanhayes> anyone up for a game now?
03:25 <GodTodd> it rejected the auth info
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hang on
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> try again
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> make sure you accurately copied and pasted this time :)
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> err, wait, I know what I missed
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now try again :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: in a bit I'll be ready to either resume last night's or start a new one
03:30 <Vanhayes> ok, id be up for either
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> if it's just you and me and maybe one other, we should probably resume last night's.  Otherwise, we should start a new one and throw last night's away :/
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> the ruleset changes that are still waiting to be applied to my server conflict with last night's ruleset somewhat, so when I switch over, all old savegames that depend on it will be useless
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you get it to take a commit yet?
03:31 <GodTodd> yep
03:31 <GodTodd> committed both :)
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: for that matter, you willing to get an svn client?  :)
03:32 <Vanhayes> I'd have no idea how to use it if I did, why?
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> if we start a new game *and* godtodd wants to play it, then I need a few minutes to figure out how to generate his flag
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, since this ruleset is in svn, you could hack on it yourself.  :)  Mostly to maintain your civ, which I added to it
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> svn isn't hard to use, really.  I think for windows they have explorer plugins for it, and you only need to be able to add files and commit changes, and update of course
03:33 <Vanhayes> uh, sure ill give it a try, what do I need?
03:33 <GodTodd> yeah tortoise is easy to use
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did you test this, by any chance?  :)
03:33 <GodTodd> no
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> tortoiseSVN
03:34 <GodTodd> can't generate the flag
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> probably just google 'svn windows"
03:34 <GodTodd> should i just test the ruleset?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> Did you test it without the flag?
03:34 <GodTodd> no
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, without the flag you get vanhayes's cool question mark flag
03:34 <GodTodd> i can...just a minute
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> #google tortoisesvn
03:36 <GodTodd> :/ it won't start a local game
03:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.10 seconds: tortoisesvn .tigris.org: <http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/>; TortoiseSVN | The coolest Interface to (Sub)Version Control: <http://tortoisesvn.net/>; Download TortoiseSVN | TortoiseSVN: <http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads>; TortoiseSVN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortoiseSVN>; SourceForge.net: Files: (2 more messages)
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> start a server in a console, then connect to it
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> that way you get the error message
03:37 <GodTodd> how do i do that?
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> start->run command->"cmd"
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> from a dos window :)
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> cd to the Program Files directory that contains freeciv and run it :)
03:41 <GodTodd> ok...now how do i connect to it?
03:41 <GodTodd> my ip?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> lan browser?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> it shows up in my lan browser
03:41 <GodTodd> refreshing
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> if it doesn't show, just connect to localhost :)
03:42 <GodTodd> k there it is
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> er, I just realized something
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> without adding your nation to nations.ruleset, it won't show
03:42 <GodTodd> no..it did
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> did it work?
03:51 <GodTodd> :/ 2: missing newline at EOF, or failed read
03:51 <GodTodd> 2:   file "data/nation/randorian.ruleset", line 73, pos 0, EOF
03:51 <GodTodd> comma or no comma for the last city?
03:51 <GodTodd> i tried both
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> comma for the last city
03:53 <GodTodd> nm
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed there's no blank line after the last city
03:53 <GodTodd> it needs a blank line
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> add a couple of lines :)
03:54 <GodTodd> does it randomize? or go down the city list in order?
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> randomizes, I think.  You can specify terrain for each city if you want
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> personally I like every city being different each game :)
03:54 <GodTodd> yeah it's random
03:55 <GodTodd> yeah
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> Vangaynus is a big naval city in last night's game
03:55 <GodTodd> heh
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not completely random though, because the first cities listed are generlaly the first ones picked
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> and the very first city seems to always be my capital
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget to commit your changes :)
03:55 <GodTodd> #dict medieval
03:56 <GodTodd> #dict midieval
03:56 <GodTodd> blah...why can't i spell tonight?
03:56 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: timed out
03:56 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: timed out
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think the first is right
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell medieval
03:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell medeival
03:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: medieval
03:58 <GodTodd> yah...it's cool
03:58 <GodTodd> went with European :D
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody care if I make last night's savegame obsolete?
04:00 <Vanhayes> not really
04:00 <GodTodd> ok...tested and re-committed
04:01 <GodTodd> now...when you make my flag conversion....that goes into svn and i can just check it out and copy it over for local play too?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> yep
04:01 <GodTodd> cool :)
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, if you just copy that svn checkout over your data directory in your local installation, you should be fine to just work with it there
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> you'll also get the tileset that has actual graphics for everything
04:02 <GodTodd> i already have a 'davetiles' that i use locally
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> but the iso tileset is barely started
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the one I use.  :)
04:02 <GodTodd> yep :)
04:06 <GodTodd> this gives me a chance to work with svn too...in case i ever need it for development work
04:06 <GodTodd> heh
04:17 <Vanhayes> well I checked it out, not sure what im supposed to do now tho
04:19 <GodTodd> checked it out as in checked out the repo?
04:20 <GodTodd> or checked out the program? :)
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04:20 <Vanhayes> the repo
04:20 <Vanhayes> well both I guess
04:20 <Vanhayes> hey mom
04:20 <Your_mom_arma> hey
04:20 <GodTodd> ok...so now you put your files into the correct subdirectories, then right-click and select svn commit
04:20 <GodTodd> hi mom
04:21 <GodTodd> er
04:21 <GodTodd> you have to right click and add first
04:21 <GodTodd> heh
04:23 <luke-jr> civ?
04:23 <luke-jr> BTW, darcs is *really* ideal for the civ data
04:24 <luke-jr> unless Luci really wants to host an open Svn repo for anyone :p
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> I have to add Vanhayes (hi there!) to the thing first
04:27 <Your_mom_arma> what are we talking about?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: your flag is fucked up
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> too tall :/
04:28 <GodTodd> k
04:28 <GodTodd> how tall should it be?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> I committed the generated flag, so you can update to get it
04:28 <GodTodd> not a problem to fix it :)
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> Flags often come in multiple aspect ratios. A 3:2 ratio looks best for Freeciv. 2:1 or 4:3 are also common (many current flags use these ratios). For a flag that is "supposed" to be 2:1 or 4:3, you can often find a 3:2 version as well. Pick the one that looks best.
04:29 <GodTodd> yeah...i did 3:2
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, van's flag is in there now
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe it got fucked up in conversion
04:30 <luke-jr> hmm
04:30 <luke-jr> any idea why a DVI cable seems to not work?
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's broke?
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I just msg'd your password, user is 'vanhayes'
04:31 <GodTodd> why's my flag got a red x on it?
04:31 <GodTodd> :/
04:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: just bought it :/\
04:32 <luke-jr> GodTodd: cuz you're RedX
04:32 <GodTodd> not
04:32 <GodTodd> am not*
04:34 <luke-jr> I say you
04:35 <luke-jr> are
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, todd
04:35 <luke-jr> so therefore
04:35 <luke-jr> it must be true
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> hahaha
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> because it's the IE "Linked image can't be found" graphic
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> or firefox, or whatever
04:35 <luke-jr> lol
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> go redownload it and commit the right one :)
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> Van's civ looks sane, and we theoretically already know luke's works
04:37 <GodTodd> i did
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I better check that again real quick
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> did you commit it?  Mine says I'm at the latest revision
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: did you update your flag?
04:38 <luke-jr> update??
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, last night I saw a different flag, tonight I see a red cross
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I've trimmed the ruleset's available nations to 29
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> anybody have any normal civs they'd like to see a lot?
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to have to wade through a list of 60 civs to find the one I'm always going to use
04:41 <GodTodd> ok...recommitted
04:41 <GodTodd> i shrunk it a bit
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
04:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: fixed
04:42 <Your_mom_arma> vikings and america
04:42 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: what'd you see last night?
04:42 <luke-jr> it was always a brown cross on white
04:42 <Vanhayes> it was a checkered flag
04:42 <Your_mom_arma> i'll make my own civ eventually
04:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I'd like to see the Japanese available still
04:43 <Vanhayes> roman, chinese, canada
04:43  * luke-jr saw the cross last night just fine
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> er, the svg still says "linked image not found" in inkscape
04:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> what do i need to copy over to instal this ongoing mod properly?
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I see what's wrong with it
04:44 <Lucifer_arma>   <g
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> "Speak Randorian Or Die" nice :D
04:44 <Lucifer_arma>      inkscape:label="Layer 1"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>      inkscape:groupmode="layer"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>      id="layer1">
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>     <image
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        y="175.79062"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        x="151.42857"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        id="image1938"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        height="226"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        width="339"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        sodipodi:absref="C:\randorian.jpg"
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>        xlink:href="randorian.jpg" />
04:45 <Lucifer_arma>   </g>
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> for some reason your program is just linking to the image on disk
04:45 <GodTodd> i'm using inkscape :P
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, the broken link image is coming from inkscape then
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> the convert_png script uses inkscape, iirc
04:46 <GodTodd> hmmm
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I installed inkscape
04:46 <GodTodd> yeah
04:46 <GodTodd> me too
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> can you open the jpg with the gimp and save it to svg?
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> can the gimp save in svg?
04:46 <GodTodd> the gimp?
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  It'll open svg, I don't know if it'll save it
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> or you could add the jpg to svn also and I'll hack the svg file to point at it
04:48 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: erm
04:48 <luke-jr> you can't convert a pixel image to a vector image...
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> right....
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> yes you can
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> you just have to find the right tool to do it
04:48 <luke-jr> not really
04:49 <luke-jr> pixel images lack the details vector images mandate
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> really
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean you can't do it
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.enetzwerk.de/svg/index2.html
04:51 <luke-jr> what? you're going to pull the missing details out of a magic hat?
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: use that link to run the conversion if you haven't already found something.  :)
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: well, you're not going to get anything done throwing your arms up in the air, wussing out, and saying "I can't"
04:52 <luke-jr> why are you even messing w/ SVG? :p
04:52 <luke-jr> Freeciv 2.0 doesn't use it
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> converting from pixel-based images to vector-based images is a matter of trying to model the pixel-based image mathematically so it can be converted to vectors
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> programs have been able to do that since the Amiga was out
04:53 <GodTodd> try the new version...
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> the primary problem is that you lose accuracy, so a converted image usually needs to be retouched by hand to gain the accuracy at high resolutions
04:53 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: that webapp just makes a link
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> still the same, GodTodd (hi there!) 
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> did you commit the jpg too?
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> commit the jpg with it :)
04:53 <luke-jr> which is ironic, seeing that it says "you can embed them directly .. without an external link"
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, at low resolutions, which is what we're dealing with, we shouldn't lose any accuracy, and we'll probably gain some
04:55 <GodTodd> k jpg is committed
04:57 <luke-jr> not if you're going jpg->svg->png
04:57 <luke-jr> especially if the svg is just a link to the jpg
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, update now if you want.  :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> flag looks right in the server now
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully nobody will confuse it with my flag, both of them being dark and all
04:59 <GodTodd> haha
04:59 <GodTodd> hope not :)
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I still had to resize the page to the flag, so you'll want to update and use the svg I saved for further work
05:00 <GodTodd> k
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> so, who's left that wants a custom civ?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> american, viking, and japanese are all still on the list
05:08 <GodTodd> hrmm...i copied it all over and now it closes when loading the rulesets :/
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> ?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> run it in a console to get the error message :)
05:10 <GodTodd> i did
05:10 <GodTodd> just says removing player
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know man, I tested it all just now and it worked
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> lemme try a local game
05:10 <GodTodd> GodTodd: '/start'
05:10 <GodTodd> Starting game.
05:10 <GodTodd> >
05:10 <GodTodd> 2: Lost connection: GodTodd from PC129202628113.tx.rr.com (player GodTodd).
05:10 <GodTodd> 2: Removing player GodTodd.
05:10 <GodTodd> Last player has disconnected: will need to restart.
05:10 <GodTodd> >
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> did you restart the server?
05:11 <spidey> hmmmm
05:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
05:12 <spidey> -j for bz2 right?
05:12 <GodTodd> yeah i did
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> right
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> so after restarting, what happens?
05:12 <GodTodd> i copied the repo over to the data directory
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that "right" was directed at you
05:12 <spidey> k
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> after restarting?  did you restart since copying the repo over?
05:13 <GodTodd> yes
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> did you stop the server?
05:13 <GodTodd> same error again
05:13 <GodTodd> yep
05:13 <GodTodd> same error again
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> check your tasklist and make sure no server's running
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> if there's a server running that's ended a game, you should have that happen
05:14 <GodTodd> nope
05:14 <GodTodd> no open server
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> any loose freeciv process?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be named civclient or civserver, I think.  :)  that's what they're named in linux, anyway
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, are you running the warclient?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah
05:17 <GodTodd> and no, no loose civ anything
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> copying the repo shouldn't have hurt anything unless doing so deleted the directories that were there originally
05:18 <GodTodd> shouldn't have
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't delete the directories that were there originally, did you?
05:18 <GodTodd> i just did a copy
05:18 <GodTodd> nope
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> look in data/nation and make sure there's a bunch of shit :)
05:19 <GodTodd> there is
05:19 <GodTodd> i've checked a few of the directories :)
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, that's not an error message
05:19 <GodTodd> i know :/
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> and the thing works for me here
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> reboot?  I don't know
05:21 <GodTodd> heh
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> if you're running the warclient, there shouldn't be any compatibility problems with the data files themselves
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> svn should be taking care of end-of-line differences
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> besides which, the freeciv developers have to deal with the same thing
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> and dammit, they all work here
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> you did update, right?  you're sure you're up to date with the repo?
05:22 <GodTodd> yep
05:23 <GodTodd> bahaha
05:23 <GodTodd> did you update the ruleset in like the last minute?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> what was it?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> I might have
05:23 <GodTodd> cuz i did another repo update and now it works fine
05:23 <GodTodd> :P
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:24 <GodTodd> cool :) i can play locally with me very own civ now 
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, you have to either hack the default nations.ruleset or make sure to set rulesetdir :)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> no biggee, of course
05:25 <GodTodd> hrmm?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you start a server from a terminal, you can do -r data/dave.serv to get a server just like mine
05:25 <GodTodd> i just tested it locally :)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> if it works for you, fine.  :)  That doesn't work for me, though.
05:26 <GodTodd> heh
05:26 <Vanhayes> so are we almost ready to play?
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and the updated ruleset, the whole reason I wanted to trash last night's game, has nuclear icbms and missile launchers and crap
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: did you happen to copy the svn checkout over your data dir, by any chance?
05:27 <GodTodd> did you just put that in?
05:27 <GodTodd> the ruleset changes, i mean?
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because if you do, and you use davestiles for your tileset, you can have graphics for the new units
05:27 <Vanhayes> uh maybe, im not sure :/
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no, I put those in awhile ago, I just hadn't set up my server to use them yet
05:27 <GodTodd> you in win, hayes?
05:27 <GodTodd> ahhh ok
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> my server should be all set now, with balloons even :)
05:28 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm a grab a smoke, then start the server
05:28 <GodTodd> k
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> I want to try to kickstart this game as much as possible too.  Maybe lots more money?
05:28 <GodTodd> i'll be back in 10-15....need to gas up the car
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05:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this ruleset has nuclear icbms, missile launchers, and balloons
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> and infantry
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> infantry are between riflemen and MI, so you no longer feel dumb building riflemen when you know you have machine guns
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> still has nuclear bombers, which are probably pretty worthless.  The one I tested attacked an engineer on its way to the city I was attacking with it, so I missed it.  :/
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> spidey says it just killed itself, and I didn't see it again, so I wouldn't suggest building a bunch of nuclear bombers without testing one first
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: the only thing environmentalism gives you is solar plants, which you don't get until after you should've already built power plants
05:50 <Fonkay> ok
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05:55 <spidey> it's true
05:55 <spidey> you guys up for freeciv tonight?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> luci what do i have to do for the units to display properly?
05:55 <spidey> i promise i won't run off this time :D
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, waiting for godtodd to come back
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> he had to run an errand
05:55 <GodTodd> back now
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: what do you mean?
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> you mean to show the units I added to the ruleset?
05:56 <GodTodd> good thing i filled up...ran out of gas as i pulled into the pump heh
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> I always put that off until I'm on my way to school before a test, then I get real anxious about running out of gas
05:56 <GodTodd> heh
05:57  * spidey goes to find a phpbb2 patch so he can get sub-forums
05:57 <GodTodd> mine wouldn't have made it that far
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> do i just copy the davestile folder into my civ folder, or will it auto install?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: what you should do is checkout the ruleset from my svn repo and copy it over your freeciv data dir
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> the repo (if you missed it before) is https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> after you check it out and copy it over your freeciv data dir, you'll have "davestiles" as a choice of tilesets in your client.  Just choose that.
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's not the isometric view, and the isometric tileset doesn't have the new units in it yet, so if you're addicted to the isometric view, you're out of luck right now
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05:59 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: spidey (hi there!) 
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> who else is playing tonight?
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05:59 <spidey> ?
05:59 <spidey> man...
05:59 <spidey> i just started googling :<
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> about to start the server :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> well keep googling, I'll ping you again when I start it.  waiting for vanhayes to respond now
05:59 <GodTodd> now...if i change something in my ruleset...is there anything you have to do to incorporate it?
06:00 <Vanhayes> im playing ya
06:00 <spidey> count me in :D
06:00 <Vanhayes> might have to cut out in3-4 hours, but maybe not
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, commit it?  Make sure you're editing davesrules, or you add your own ruleset to the repo :)
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you playing this one?
06:00 <GodTodd> right...like if i change a city name and commit it to the repo...is that all that needs done?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to update, but that's pretty much it, yeah
06:01 <GodTodd> ok
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's all *you* need to do
06:01 <GodTodd> heh
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you should test it.  I'd hate to update and find my server's broke because you added a comma to the end of your nation file
06:01 <GodTodd> haha
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, started the server
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: here's the ping you wanted :)
06:02 <spidey> ?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> do we want to setup as teams?
06:02 <spidey> amybe
06:03 <spidey> maybe
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> how many people are playing?
06:03 <spidey> i just want to reasearch or something
06:03 <spidey> not in a war mood :D
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm counting 5 so far
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, me, van, todd, and mom
06:03 <GodTodd> k...update my ruleset :P
06:03 <GodTodd> had to change a city name
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> man, I started the server already
06:03 <GodTodd> bah
06:03 <spidey> we need luke
06:04 <spidey> and can we do 15 size?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> just changed one city name?  just watch for it :)
06:04 <spidey> or 12 or something inbetween
06:04 <GodTodd> i will :P
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> only if we go with very few ais
06:04 <spidey> sure, and set middistance
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I don't like the huge maps is because the ais expand until there's no more room :/
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> it ws supposedly set last time, but check it
06:04 <spidey> is there a way to set max cities?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> everyone connect, we should be talking in the waiting room
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com port 5555 (as usual)
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: luke-jr (hi there!) ?
06:07 <spidey> Vanhayes, luke-jr (die!!!) ?
06:07 <Vanhayes> coming
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: wanna try a team game?
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> umm
06:18 <Vanhayes> ack
06:18 <spidey> wtf was that
06:18 <GodTodd> well holy fuck
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> that was funnier than shit, and completely todd's fault
06:18 <Vanhayes> uh was that my nation?
06:18 <GodTodd> i broke it?
06:18 <GodTodd> :D
06:18 <spidey> GodTodd, you suck
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe not
06:19 <GodTodd> oh...i think its cuz of my updates
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
06:19 <GodTodd> your server didn't have them
06:19 <GodTodd> and my client does
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:19 <GodTodd> oops
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yep, van broke it
06:19 <GodTodd> van did?
06:19 <Vanhayes> heh go me
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> dammit van, don't leave a comma at the end of your city list!
06:19 <GodTodd> whew
06:19 <Vanhayes> heh oops
06:20 <GodTodd> and PUT A BLANK LINE!!!111!!!11!!
06:20 <GodTodd> :D
06:20 <Vanhayes> I think I had a few blank lines
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> we all broke it, i hit the button after all... and so did all of you
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, connect
06:20 <GodTodd> bahahaha
06:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: teams suck?
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> ping
08:11 <luke-jr> ma is a user on channels: #armagetron
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/).
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is an identified user.
08:11 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma has been
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08:12 <luke-jr> annels: #armagetron
08:12 <luke-jr> [07:11:40] [Whois] Lucifer_arma is online via irc.f
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08:13 <luke-jr> [07:13:15] <luke-jr> annels: #armagetron
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08:13 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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08:16 <Your_mom_arma> luke you comming back?
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08:18 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: Ping
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08:56 <Durka> #hello
08:56 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Old robot: What are ye doing? || Bender: We're whaling on the original were-car, which is you, you jerk. || Old robot: Ye think me be he? || Bender: Si. || Old robot: Nee. I mean, no.
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09:12 <luke-jr> hi
09:12 <luke-jr> I changed from dual VGA cables (+adapter) to 1 VGA, 1 DVI :p
09:12 <luke-jr> since apparently that needs a reboot
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> umm
09:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
09:13 <luke-jr> ...
09:13 <GodTodd> ok...who crashed it
09:13 <spidey> oh, that explains it
09:13 <spidey> xD
09:13 <GodTodd> ?
09:13 <Vanhayes> so that wasnt just me?
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> i thought the same thing van
09:14 <GodTodd> me too
09:14 <GodTodd> heh
09:14 <Vanhayes> I thought my connection dropped like it does so often
09:14 <spidey> lucis wife rebooted his server again :D
09:15 <Vanhayes> damn, did luci say he did make it save every 2 rounds, or he Was Going to make it save every 3 rounds?
09:15 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know why we would have team games, this is how almost all our games end
09:15 <Vanhayes> 2*
09:15 <GodTodd> haha
09:15 <Vanhayes> so maby we will acyually finish one
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09:15 <Your_mom_arma> wb
09:16 <GodTodd> speak of the devil
09:16 <GodTodd> :)
09:16 <Vanhayes> hello
09:16 <Lucifer_arma_> weird shit that
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> shhh
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> he aint the only devil round her
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> e
09:16 <GodTodd> or round her ;)
09:16 <SuPeRTaRD> and he appears
09:17 <Lucifer_arma_> y'all gonna reconnect?
09:17 <GodTodd> trying to
09:17 <Lucifer_arma_> I set a really high timeout when I saw all of you get disconnected
09:17 <Vanhayes> cant reconnect
09:17 <GodTodd> it's not responding properly
09:18 <Lucifer_arma_> ppp-70-244-120-143.dsl.austtx.swbell.net
09:18 <Lucifer_arma_> try connecting to that instead
09:18 <SuPeRTaRD> i';m lit
09:19 <SuPeRTaRD> ¶8)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma_> according to no-ip, my ip address didn't change
09:19 <Lucifer_arma_> hmmmm
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> type //say $ip
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> mebbe
09:20 <Lucifer_arma_> ok, try again, it looks like my laptop ip changed
09:20 <GodTodd> der we go
09:20 <SuPeRTaRD> mebbe not
09:21 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:23 <SuPeRTaRD> ~¿~ Zzz²
09:25 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:26 <luke-jr> sigh
09:26 <luke-jr> I'm tired
09:27 <luke-jr> if my PC issues didn't get people bored of the game, that crash did
09:28 <luke-jr> think it's over now ...
09:28 <Lucifer_arma_> spidey: ?
09:28 <Lucifer_arma_> it wasn't a crash, luke
09:29 <luke-jr> downtime then
09:29 <Durka> #luke
09:29 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
09:29 <Lucifer_arma_> for some reason completely unknown to me, I lost network
09:29 <Lucifer_arma_> don't know if it was laptop losing wireless or internet
09:29 <luke-jr> #roulette
09:29 <armabot> luke-jr: *click*
09:29 <luke-jr> well, I'm not planning to rejoin
09:29 <luke-jr> too late
09:29 <luke-jr> need to get some sleepies
09:30 <luke-jr> or smth
09:30 <luke-jr> maybe ramen
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09:30 <luke-jr> bye luci #1
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
09:33 <Durka> #roulette
09:33 <armabot> Durka: *click*
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, last call
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09:44 <Durka> #night
09:44 <armabot> Good night Durka!
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10:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
10:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/hexa_boring-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
10:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: go tell the mbc people to use http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/hexa_boring-1.aamap.xml
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12:27 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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12:28 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, that ruleset just isn't for human vs human :/
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> ?
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is, if our positions were reversed
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. they got the poles and we got the temperates
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> but we should remember that for the next game and maybe make the whole planet temperate
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, I think I was in the weakest spot, and I couldn't expand because mordor was there
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> not without building ships, anyway.  Maybe I should've done that
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> by the time I was fighting mordor seriously, van was there
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12:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you looked closely at mordor, you saw it was basically more of the same as I already had
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> mostly ice, with a few more cities that were temperate
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> sucks.  should've spawned us where we could actually rail to each other.  As it was, we were a team in name only, we couldn't help each other
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> and if we're going against a team of 3, we need to be able to help each other
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
12:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long.
12:36 <spidey> yea
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> then the faster city growth thing helped them more than it did me.  :/  When someone, I think it was van, was complaining about 8-9 point cities and pollution,
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> my biggest city was size 5, most were still hovering around 3
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> if we hadn't done teams, my position was doable, and winnable
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I *knew* they were coming, and I knew that when they came, I needed to have absorbed Mordor already
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> and not just absorbed Mordor, I needed enough lead time to build factories, SAM, and maybe some power plants in Mordor
12:39 <spidey> heh
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> and to do all that, I needed to have already built that shit in my own cities, but I couldn't crack 20 shields in any city without building mfg plants
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> that really *really* sucked
12:39 <spidey> i think i could have held them off
12:39 <spidey> if i stuck to my 10 nukes, 20 missles and a couple boats of troops
12:39 <spidey> i could have ran van over in no time
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> you were in a better spot.  :)  You had more temperate land available, and you didn't lose most of your engineers in the glaciers
12:39 <spidey> i lost 3 and a settler
12:39 <spidey> :/
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> and most importantly, you had room to expand
12:40 <spidey> lots of iy
12:40 <spidey> lol
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I had 1 engineer on my mainland
12:40 <spidey> it*
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> also, the last couple of games where we started with 50 techs, I started with industrialization
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> had that happened this time, I would've built factories first.  :)
12:41 <spidey> heh
12:41 <spidey> we shouldn't have nukes in a human game
12:41 <spidey> it turns into a nuke fest
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> by the time I figured out we were immune to global warming, I'd already built like 4-5 hydro plants and gone off on a recycling tangent
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> hadn't built any recycling plants yet, but I got the tech so I could if I needed to
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I could've spent that research better
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> although, the missile launchers did nicely against the icbms vanhayes were hitting them with :)
12:42 <spidey> missle launcher kills nukes?
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're aegis
12:43 <spidey> cool
12:43 <spidey> well, i'ma goto sleep now and sleep all day instead of going later and sleeping all day and night
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> ko
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12:58 <epsy> hi
13:05 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/classic/4zones-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
13:05 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/classic/nocorners-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
13:08 <epsy> aww
13:08 <epsy> there's not the sty-ball/CTF/-ect DTD on the repo
13:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/fortress/twodefonebase-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
13:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/classic/secondsumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
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13:52 <epsy> back
13:52 <epsy> wrtlprnft, still 0 lol
13:52 <epsy> (tron.avi)
13:53 <wrtlprnft> haha
13:54 <wrtlprnft> the german one i'm downloading is 672 MiB of 699 MiB
13:54 <wrtlprnft> 4 chunks missing
13:54 <epsy> heh
13:54 <wrtlprnft> and a share ratio of 3.35 :/
13:55 <wrtlprnft> plus i downloaded the french one, too, by accident
13:56 <epsy> lol
13:56 <wrtlprnft> ed2k://|file|Tron.avi|667301888|34C962D6FA8B2CA9B857C33649FE31A1|/
13:56 <wrtlprnft> try this one
13:57 <epsy> huh
13:57 <epsy> cant find it
13:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:57 <wrtlprnft> ed2k://|file|Tron.avi|667301888|34C962D6FA8B2CA9B857C33649FE31A1|/|sources,|/
13:57 <wrtlprnft> try this
13:57 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue which link is the right one
13:58 <madmax|pt> the first one works here
13:58 <epsy> when i enter it in 'ed2k links handling' and hit 'send' there's nothing happening
13:58  * madmax|pt is downloading
13:58 <wrtlprnft> umm, wait a few seconds
13:59 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-07-135951.png
13:59 <epsy> all at 0 lol
13:59 <wrtlprnft> be patient and keep amule running!
13:59 <epsy> hehe
14:00 <madmax|pt> you have international filters on?
14:00 <wrtlprnft> there'S a score you get if you're on another client's upload queue
14:00 <epsy> ah
14:00 <wrtlprnft> the longer you're waiting the higher it gets
14:00 <epsy> some are downlmoading mac osx now <<
14:00 <epsy> ><
14:00 <wrtlprnft> go away with windows vista
14:00 <wrtlprnft> i don't want that crap anywhere near my home
14:01 <epsy> well, i need it for IE7... :/
14:01 <wrtlprnft> #g ies4linux
14:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:01 <epsy> it's not same as ie7
14:01 <wrtlprnft> works just fine with ie 5.5 to ie 7
14:01 <epsy> lol
14:01 <wrtlprnft> err, 5 to 7
14:01 <wrtlprnft> that is, 5, 5.5, 6, and 7
14:01 <epsy> and some softwares i cant get to run with wine...
14:02  * epsy has an infected qemu windows image
14:02 <epsy> really
14:03 <epsy> cant get firefox to run...IE reboots the VM when downloading something...i cant change account propreties...
14:03 <epsy> lol
14:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/idness.png
14:04 <epsy> lol
14:04 <wrtlprnft> ie7 can't display PNG images correctly, but you get an idea on how it looks
14:04 <epsy> i know...but it's ie after all :(
14:05 <madmax|pt> no png? o_O
14:05 <epsy> and i cant keeping basing my work on dummy CSS standart comparison tables...
14:06 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-05-155526.png lol
14:07 <wrtlprnft> beurks
14:07 <epsy> yeah i know i dont like that damn default theme...
14:07 <epsy> will put clearlooks instead in some days...
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 3 chunks!
14:08 <wrtlprnft> and 2 are currently downloading
14:08 <wrtlprnft> 477 clients on my queue… i seem to be popular :s
14:11 <wrtlprnft> epsy: what's the port on your client you configured?
14:12 <epsy> tcp: 4662 udp: 4672
14:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:13 <wrtlprnft> i can't seem to be able to add you as a friend :s
14:14 <wrtlprnft> to give you an extra download slot
14:15 <wrtlprnft> bam!
14:15 <wrtlprnft> Gtk-ERROR **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 2447 (gtk_container_propagate_expose): assertion failed: (child->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container))
14:15 <wrtlprnft> f*
14:15 <wrtlprnft> great.
14:15 <epsy> heh
14:15 <epsy> back to x56?
14:16 <epsy> back to x86?
14:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:16 <epsy> instead of using the ~x86 version...
14:16 <wrtlprnft> now i'm at the back of all queues again
14:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, is there any point in using an unstable version if this one already keeps crashing?
14:18 <epsy> well you said that you was using the ~x86
14:18 <epsy> wrtlprnft, epsy@jaim.at
14:18 <epsy> my jid...
14:18 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:18 <epsy> Jabber...
14:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:19 <wrtlprnft> but i don't want to chat to you, i want to give you a higher score on my client :P
14:19 <epsy> that's what we're doing for days here :P
14:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but why would i need jabber for that
14:23 <wrtlprnft> epsy: you should be getting at least 17 KiB/s now on that tron download
14:24 <epsy> 16.1 Ko/s
14:24 <epsy> 16.1 KB/s
14:24 <wrtlprnft> something around that :D
14:25 <madmax|pt> hmm, what are your nicks?
14:25 <epsy> epsy
14:25 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: don't have one
14:25 <wrtlprnft> use my ip from /whois
14:26 <wrtlprnft> and the default port
14:26  * epsy sanded you some messages over emule...
14:27 <madmax|pt> found you wrtlprnft, but i dont see epsy ><
14:27 <wrtlprnft> got them
14:27 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: mind giving me your ip?
14:27 <epsy> well
14:27 <epsy> gmpf**
14:28 <epsy> now i've fixed my nick
14:29 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: enabled that friend slot thingy for you, too :)
14:29 <madmax|pt> i guess there's only 3 people using amule, which is us
14:30 <epsy> lol
14:30 <epsy> madmax|pt, nick?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> ?!
14:30 <wrtlprnft> epsy: madmax|pt 
14:30 <madmax|pt> yep, i did it too
14:30 <wrtlprnft> my queue has quite a few amule people
14:31 <wrtlprnft> 4 at least, + you 2
14:32 <madmax|pt> er, my sources show 3
14:32 <wrtlprnft> note that i have other files, too
14:33 <madmax|pt> but i guess epsy is actually missing there
14:33 <epsy> ...
14:33 <madmax|pt> ah, im just looking at Tron.avi sources
14:33 <wrtlprnft> dunno, can't view the sources anymore
14:33 <wrtlprnft> the file is complete for me
14:34 <madmax|pt> lol
14:34 <madmax|pt> have you seen it?
14:34 <madmax|pt> good quality?
14:34 <epsy> madmax|pt, ip???
14:39  * madmax|pt just found out how to add friends by ip
14:39 <madmax|pt> heh
14:42 <epsy> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/02/1641259
14:43 <wrtlprnft> kde rocks :)
14:44 <epsy> ^^
14:45 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-07-144622.png kde still cant show that ^-^
14:47 <wrtlprnft> show what?
14:47 <epsy> a desk like that :)
14:48 <wrtlprnft> i don't see anything that you couldn't configure
14:48 <epsy> or resize an image to display it as  bg...
14:48 <wrtlprnft> err
14:48 <wrtlprnft> kde can resize BGs, of course!
14:48 <epsy> see the bg here : http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2006-12-12-214018_1280x1024_scrot.png
14:49 <wrtlprnft> you can see that it's resized
14:49 <epsy> now see the original: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38947505/
14:50 <wrtlprnft> crazy…
14:58 <epsy> ggtg
14:58 <epsy> *gtg*
14:58 <epsy> cya
14:58 <wrtlprnft> cya
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6719 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Updating MacOS project
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15:46  * wrtlprnft is watching tron now :)
15:51 <madmax|pt> good quality wrtlprnft ?
15:53 <wrtlprnft> it's ok
15:53 <wrtlprnft> but i'm watching the german one
15:53 <wrtlprnft> fills about 2/3 of the width of my screen, so i don't need to scale it a lot
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6720 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (15 files in 7 dirs): General work on new SWIG/Ruby stuff
16:23 -!- Arma547 [n=54bed837@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
16:23 <Arma547> xD
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16:28 <Sticky> hay guys
16:28 <MaZuffeR> hello
16:31 <wrtlprnft> woha
16:31 <wrtlprnft> that lightcycle part is cool :)
16:31 <wrtlprnft> miles away from arma
16:32 <Sticky> lol(watching tron??)
16:32 <Sticky> i cant decide is it crap or great
16:33 <wrtlprnft> grest
16:33 <wrtlprnft> *great
16:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:33 <wrtlprnft> is that a pacman?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> on that big map :)
16:34 <Sticky> the graphics are a bit laughable...but it is 20 years old
16:35 <Sticky> and the end of game baddie just looks like a spinning top
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17:22 <madmax|pt> watch out for spoilers
17:23 <Sticky> hay rico
17:23 <Sticky> thought you didnt use irc
17:26 <wrtlprnft> actually the graphics are nice :)
17:26 <wrtlprnft> they aren't supposed to look real
17:30 <Rico> hello :P (wasnt here before, just logged in and fucked off)
17:43 <Sticky> Rico: what time we meeting tonight 
17:45 <Sticky> i see we are nolonger on x fortress server
17:48 <Rico> oO
17:48 <Rico> sec
17:49 <Rico> ah yea, we play on z-mans
17:49 <Rico> less laggy there anyway, but were still meeting in our server at 7.45 
17:57 <Sticky> ok
17:58 <epsy> back
17:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, 70 of 636...
17:59 <Rico> nice ideas in that post, stick
17:59 <wrtlprnft> epsy: that's something at least
18:00 <wrtlprnft> now you have something to share, so you'll get higher scores with people
18:01 <epsy> i've already some files ;)
18:01 <epsy> *some other files 
18:01 <epsy> k
18:01 <epsy> err
18:03 <madmax|pt> er, didnt set the friend slot for you, its uploading now
18:03 <wrtlprnft> i can't find you
18:04 <epsy> who?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you
18:04 <epsy> ah
18:04 <wrtlprnft>  [18:02:52] *** Connecting to Client ***
18:05 <epsy> so?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ok, set the friend slot for you
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18:06 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: for you, too
18:06 <Sticky> yeah
18:06 <Sticky> Rico: not sure if others will give it a try
18:07 <Rico> hmm
18:07 <Rico> hopefully
18:11 <epsy> k at least it's in french :)
18:11 <epsy> "le cycle lumineux"
18:11 <epsy> poor translation
18:12 <madmax|pt> ack
18:12 <epsy> of lightcycle
18:12 <madmax|pt> its in french?
18:12 <epsy> mine is
18:12 <epsy> but the title shows it
18:12 <epsy> "Tron - LE VRAI - Vf
18:12 <epsy> lol
18:12 <madmax|pt> er...
18:15 <madmax|pt> why do other countries dont keep the original voices and use subtitles?
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6721 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Added rough enum support, cleaning up required.
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6722 / (7 files in 3 dirs): Made enum test work on gcc 3.3. It now is even more crude, darn.
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6723 /:
18:20 <epsy> i didn't found any french subtitles...
18:20 <epsy> in other countries TV shows often subtitled english films...
18:20 <epsy> but not in france :/
18:21 <madmax|pt> spoken in french then?
18:22 <epsy> yeah
18:22 <epsy> doubled...
18:23  * madmax|pt got an episode of Grey's Anatomy spoken in italian :/
18:24 <madmax|pt> that pretty much ruins the interpretation imho
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18:24 <Rico> whats greys anatomy?
18:24 <madmax|pt> tv show
18:25 <Legit> hi rica
18:25 <Rico> oki
18:25 <Rico> hi noob
18:25 <madmax|pt> Rico: http://tinyurl.com/uv8zt
18:25 <Rico> ill brb, off to fuck about with some maps. later
18:28 <Sticky> cos you would have to pay someone to dub
18:28 <Sticky> and dubing looks and sounds stupid
18:28 <Legit> how many hours til ladle?
18:30 <madmax|pt>  /script load tinyurl.pl
18:30 <madmax|pt> er
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18:52 <epsy> (damn
18:52 <epsy> (i preview it and where it stops?
18:52 <epsy> just before the computer take that guy
18:52 <epsy> lol
18:53 <epsy> aah computers...
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6724 / (5 files in 3 dirs):
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: References to enums work. But you can't instantiate templates with enum
18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: parameter.
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18:59 <Durka> #hello
18:59 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: When a fellow says, "It ain't the money but the principle of the thing," || it's the money. || -- Kim Hubbard
19:00 <Rico> hi dorka
19:00 <Durka> alex do /join #arma-ladle
19:02 <Durka> #luke
19:02 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
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19:03 <epsy> hi
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19:37 <Durka> hi epsy
19:38 <epsy> :)
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19:49 <i2020> hi all
19:49 <epsy> hi
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19:49 <i2020> i am still confused about timings.... what time is it now gmt?
19:50 <i2020> is it 18:50?
19:50 <deja_vu> Sun Jan  7 18:51:10 UTC 2007
19:51 <deja_vu> ;)
19:51 <i2020> and presumably utc is the same as gmt?
19:51 <i2020> i should probably write it all in terms of utc instead of gmt...
19:55 <Durka> 2020202020202020202020
19:55 <Durka> 40040404040404040440
19:55 <i2020> hi durka
19:55 <Durka> we play u in fort café right?
19:55 <i2020> sounds good by me
19:55 <madmax|pt> hi 2020
19:55 -!- Stempo [n=47d7799a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
19:55 <Durka> yo max
19:55 <Durka> long time no see
19:56 <madmax|pt> hello
19:56 <i2020> hi
19:56 <i2020> you playing tonight
19:57 <i2020> ?
19:59 <madmax|pt> no
19:59  * Stempo pokes Durka
20:00 <Durka> hi genki
20:00 <Stempo> hey
20:00 <Stempo> wanna catfight?
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20:01 <i2020> oh well, one of the best players standing off the grid.... what a shame
20:01 <Rico> hello
20:01 <Stempo> rico
20:01 <madmax|pt> ><
20:02 <Stempo> alex?
20:02 <Rico> ya
20:02 <Stempo> GenkI!
20:02 <Rico> hey
20:02 <i2020> hey rico
20:02 <Stempo> heya
20:02 <Rico> 2020, whos standing off?
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20:03 <i2020> madmax isn't playing which is a pity
20:03 <Rico> he had an offer, eh
20:03 <i2020> best games are those with the best players
20:03 <i2020> really?
20:03 <i2020> o well
20:03 <Rico> seems my team is the only one with 7 players, everyone else has 9 or 10
20:03 <Rico> >.<
20:04 <epsy> well, i've 4
20:04 <epsy> ><
20:04 -!- TuI66 [n=TuI66@S010600045acfc6b0.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
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20:04 <Rico> hi jj
20:04 <i2020> four players?
20:04 <JJBean> hello
20:04 <i2020> hi
20:04 <JJBean> Why was it changed to 12:15?
20:04 <i2020> what team sre you epsy?
20:05 <Rico> hes not even on the challenge board
20:05 <epsy> kk kowsklan
20:05 <epsy> heh
20:05 <epsy> i was thinking you was meaning...
20:05 <i2020> i stuck a response about timing on forum
20:05 <epsy> not the ladle...
20:05 <epsy> ><
20:05 <Rico> oh
20:05  * epsy 's clan isn't ready for that....
20:06  * Rico 's is
20:06  * i2020 tronic monkey have never been ready...
20:06 <Rico> hehe
20:06 <Rico> tui in the first match, good luck ;p
20:07 <JJBean> hehe
20:07 <Rico> anyone in #arma-ladle ?
20:07 <i2020> we need more than luck
20:08 <Rico> divine intervention?
20:08 <Rico> :p
20:08 <i2020> no idea heheh i keep forgetting the keywords
20:08 <Rico> 2020, /join #arma-ladle :P
20:08 <JJBean> Since we have an hour until it starts I'm going to go play some tron
20:08 <JJBean> goodbye
20:09 <Rico> cu
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20:09 <Durka> hi jj
20:09 <Rico> lol durka, u sloooooooooooow
20:10 <epsy> ><
20:10 <Durka> im plahying
20:10 <Durka> 8 vs 8
20:10 <Rico> cafe?
20:11 <Durka> shea
20:11 <Rico> k
20:11 <Rico> ill come in a bit
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/bigD/symmetrical/symmetry-1.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by bigD
20:14 <epsy> damn 403
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20:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6725 / (7 files in 3 dirs): Hack to make template instantiation of PrimitiveProxy work with enums.
20:17 <Rico> hey stick
20:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/shot/gridgame-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
20:21 -!- |Sticky| [n=Sticky@80-41-114-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:21 <epsy> :)
20:21 <epsy> gridgame
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20:34 <Rico> hi wrtl
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20:35 <wrtlprnft_> back
20:35 <wrtlprnft_> grr
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20:35 <Stickyer> hay all
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20:35 <Stickyer> is anyonw else having trouble connecting to irc??
20:35 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
20:35 <wrtlprnft> not me
20:36 <luke-jr> Stickyer: obviously you're not either...
20:36 <Durka> #luke
20:36 <armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
20:36 <Stickyer> yes i am having to use a java client
20:36 <luke-jr> op
20:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
20:36 <Stickyer> mirc wont connect to irc.freenode.net
20:36 <@luke-jr> mirc sucks
20:36 <@luke-jr> don't use it
20:37 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %armabot!*@*] by luke-jr
20:37 <Stickyer> rkvirc
20:37 <Stickyer> or kvirc even
20:37 <@luke-jr> Stickyer: if I had to guess, I'd say blame your ISP
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 20
20:37 <@luke-jr> and complain etc
20:37 <Rico> ive got mirc, its shit but i cba to find a nother one
20:37 <Stickyer> yeah me too
20:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: wtf?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #ping
20:38 <@luke-jr> wrtlprnft: #luke is getting annoying
20:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %armabot!*@*] by luke-jr
20:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 2020
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020^tm seems to be on 2020 team challenge right now.
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v 2020
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020 team challenge ( running 0.3.0 unix dedicated, Description: “MON rip TUE tron simulation WED tronic monkey open challenge THU incam night FRI kings of the grid  SAT team-play SUN tournament night 8pm gmt start“, Players (1/16): 2020^tm
20:39 <luke-jr> #roulétte
20:39 <armabot> luke-jr: *click*
20:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:40 <luke-jr> #roulétte
20:40 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
20:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: cmon try it :p
20:41 <luke-jr> Durka: you toop
20:41 <Durka> #roulette
20:41 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
20:42 <luke-jr> #rouletté
20:42 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
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20:52 <JJBean> what is the thing i type in to go to the ladle chat?
20:54 <luke-jr> ...
20:55 <Rico> jj, /join #arma-ladle
20:56 <JJBean> k thanks
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20:57 <Rico> wb
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20:58 <epsy> back
20:59 <Sticky> #lastseen Pavel
20:59 <@armabot> Sticky: pavelo has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 minutes ago.
21:00 <JJBean> #lastseen TuI¬Ghß
21:00 <@armabot> JJBean: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
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21:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: [20:00:40] <armabot> JJBean: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6726 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: Ruby SWIG wrappers are now compiled in with the game as one big binary blob on MacOS. I've moved the processing from rake to an Xcode build rule.
21:19 <@armabot> armagetronad: The unix build system needs to be updated.
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21:37 <Skip> *yawns* morning all.. what round of the ladle are we in right now?
21:39 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:39 <wrtlprnft> i won't ever host a ladle server again.
21:40 <Skip> not being able to log in is the WIN
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21:41 <Durka> wrtl
21:41 <Durka> u idiot
21:41 <Durka> u kept the server locked
21:41 <Skip> o/ Durka
21:41 <i2020> qfuckity fucktiy fuck
21:41 <Durka> :p
21:41 <Durka> hi skip
21:41 <Durka> why arent u playing?
21:41 <i2020> fuck fuck
21:41 <Skip> o.o cant log in of course
21:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, i won't ever get involved in the ladle again
21:41 <wrtlprnft> in any way
21:42 <Durka> can u at least open ur server again
21:42 <Durka> its says Full (9/0)
21:42 <Durka> no way to get in
21:42 <i2020> surely you can't be as annoyed as me?
21:42 <i2020> fuckity fuck
21:42 <Durka> You guys couldve done well if you planned ahead of time
21:42 <Skip> cant be as bad for you as for me 2020.. this is my last game ever xD
21:42 <Durka> we all knew who was gonna do what
21:42 <Durka> skip is quitting the internet
21:43 <i2020> skip is what?
21:43 <i2020> hehe what?!
21:43 <Durka> lol
21:43 <Durka> quitting the internet
21:43 <Durka> so wrtl: can u open the server somehow?
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21:44 <wrtlprnft> the server is down now
21:44 <Durka> its ok just put auto_team in the cafe
21:44 <wrtlprnft> and it'll stay that way
21:44 <Durka> can u put the special settings and lock the server
21:44 <Durka> actually no
21:44 <Durka> we'll play in zmans server
21:45 <Skip> ...
21:45 <i2020> i said after the last one that i was going to be harsh about who was playing in tronic monkeys, and i haven't been
21:45 <epsy> gtg
21:45 <i2020> team?
21:45 <epsy> good luck guys ;)
21:46 <i2020> bye
21:46 <Durka> 2020: start AW again :p
21:47 <i2020> the only reason that worked was because it had brilliant players and respect amoungst the players
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21:47 <Skip> So what's going on in z-man's fort right now?
21:47 <Legit> x vs sp
21:47 <pavelo> x lost
21:47 <i2020> all you need is one person to bugger it up, and for others to be confused about what is going on, and a team just collapses
21:48 <wrtlprnft> it was hell for me
21:48 <Durka> x lost
21:48 <wrtlprnft> i was supposed to defend, and people told me to lock the server, to reopen it, to lock teams, to kick people, and telling me that i suck.
21:48 <wrtlprnft> never again.
21:49 <i2020> i agree you can't play and be admin too
21:49 <i2020> doesn't work
21:49 <i2020> i can't play and organise the tournament
21:49 <i2020> i end up setting the thing up till that last moment, and suddenly we are playing, no warm up nothing
21:49 <i2020> too much for me
21:49 <Durka> we warmed up for an extra 45 minutes lol
21:50 <i2020> we tried to, but when we actually appeared on the server to play, people started doing odd things
21:50 <Durka> ok we're playing
21:50 <Durka> bye
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21:50 <i2020> i think i am going to join another team
21:50 <i2020> unbelievable
21:50 <Sticky> hay 2020 hows it going??
21:51 <i2020> don't ask
21:51 <Skip> \o Sticky
21:51 <i2020> hi sticks you well?
21:51 <Sticky> well x just got reasonably beaten
21:51 <Sticky> take it tm got the same
21:51 <Skip> That's because I was locked out, Sticky :|
21:51 <i2020> no we were beaten unreasonably
21:52 <i2020> i want someone like you or legit to start a team
21:52 <i2020> and i will join it
21:52 <i2020> someone 
21:52 <i2020> somewhere!
21:52 <Sticky> heh
21:52 <Sticky> ive joined x so i cant make a new one unfortunately
21:53 <Sticky> who was the problem this time
21:53 <i2020> one of the same from last
21:54 <i2020> hyph
21:54 <Legit> redice
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21:54 <i2020> qand when i tried to get the team to kick, which i never do, they thought it unfair
21:54 <i2020> and then someone called redice appeared and tk
21:54 <i2020> it was a mess
21:54 <i2020> positions all over the place
21:55 <Sticky> hmm
21:55 <i2020> another fine mess heheh
21:55 <Sticky> your not having much luck in the ladel 2020
21:55 <i2020> the last two have been gak
21:56 <i2020> and this time i had good ping... so no excuses technically
21:56 <Legit> we need better organization..
21:56 <Sticky> in what way legit??
21:56 <i2020> legit... can you be captain or start your own team or something??????
21:56 <Legit> even when we set one uup.... it sitll out of order
21:56 <Skip> the time for this was also nonsense.. it totally excluded a significant portion of the tron playing world
21:56 <i2020> i will follow whatever the captain says
21:56 <Skip> which is more than half of the US
21:57 <i2020> first sunday of the month... same time as always
21:57 <Skip> Im bringing it up now.
21:57 <Skip> It wasnt brought up before because everyone else is just their momma's boy.
21:57 <Sticky> what time is it skip??
21:57 <Legit> sticky... we setup our postions... then once we r playin the tournament we are all not n our postions
21:57 <Skip> it's almost 2PM now in mountain time
21:58 <i2020> we were just about ok apart from hyph coming back into def and annoying wrtl etc and us sweepers
21:58 <Skip> or live in Germany
21:59 <Sticky> yeah im surprised you took him back after last ladel
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21:59 <i2020> i didn't
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21:59 <i2020> right see you laters
21:59 <i2020> grrrrrrr
21:59 <Sticky> cya
22:00 <i2020> stay cool... hopefullyl i willl cool off
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22:00 <madmax|pt> I thought most fortress players were european Skip :D
22:01 <Skip> That's the reasoning behind excluding the minor US players..?
22:01 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
22:01 <Skip> go look on the world tourny registration.. US has like.. the most
22:01 <DrJoeTron> Im think I should make myself a new avatar for the armaboards
22:01 <DrJoeTron> and change my signature
22:01 <madmax|pt> not really, I thought the US timezone had a reasonable playing time
22:01 <DrJoeTron> I have this really stupid spark in me
22:02 <madmax|pt> what time is it there?
22:02 <DrJoeTron> GAME TIME
22:02 <madmax|pt> "US timezone" (yes i know it varies)
22:03 <Skip> -7 GMT,  2:02 PM now
22:03 <Skip> or if you google Time Denver, CO ..you will see exactly what time
22:03 <madmax|pt> aint that reasonable?
22:03 <Skip> no no.. it's 2PM noowww
22:04 <Sticky> #time
22:04 <@armabot> Sticky: 10:11 PM, January 07, 2007
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22:04 <Skip> o.o; wb
22:04 <madmax|pt> but, the ladle started +/- 50 minutes ago
22:06 <madmax|pt> was the final already played?
22:06 <guru3> can you have +50 minutes ago?
22:06 <Skip> meh.. I guess it's not -truly- important.. since I am the ONLY US player... and now, not anymore even.
22:06 <guru3> or -50 minutes ago for that matter?
22:06 <madmax|pt> make it ≈50 minutes ago
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22:09 <[NP]Tangent> hey, whoever tried getting on that website yesterday but couldn't due to an empty REFERRER tag
22:09 <[NP]Tangent> I just fixed that problem
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22:15 <[NP]Tangent> ...
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22:16 <|Sticky|> fucking finaly
22:16 <|Sticky|> got on with a proper irc client
22:17 <|Sticky|> any news from the final
22:17  * spidey yawns
22:20 <madmax|pt> hm, what happened with redice?
22:21 <Legit> tked bout 5 players n 1 round
22:22 <@armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6727 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs): wrapped uMenu
22:22 <Skip> are scores up yet?
22:22 <|Sticky|> what server they on?
22:22 <|Sticky|> #listservers
22:29 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
22:29 <@armabot> madmax|pt: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || ¦Ö¦ Server: Ladle/Tournament Fortress (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (3 players) || |/| Ghostland || NEW MAP!!! (2 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2 players) || Capture the Flag (1 more message)
22:30 <|Sticky|> take it we have a result then??
22:30 <|Sticky|> anyone know??
22:30 <Skip> Anyone from SP here right now?
22:33 <z-man> SP is on Tournament fortress.
22:34 <madmax|pt> breaking news: seems like a player in an outside position "has the right to defend"
22:34 <Skip> no
22:35  * madmax|pt was quoting
22:35 <pavelo> may i ask who ?
22:35 <Skip> Who's the famous ..
22:35 <Skip> yeah who
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22:36 <madmax|pt> well, not exactly quoting, but i asked "so a player in ... has the right to defend?" and people said yes
22:36 <madmax|pt> which i find at least odd
22:36 <madmax|pt> heh
22:38 <pavelo> and who was the guy ?
22:38 <Skip> its wrong.. def should tk people who come in.. on the grounds that you cant really know :| if the're not stabbing you/the team in the back
22:38 <Skip> fraking smileys
22:39 <pavelo> i just now had a problem w/ lod|dez
22:39 <madmax|pt> pavelo: i was GotGap?
22:39 <madmax|pt> i saw it
22:39 <pavelo> he kept going into the zone... i asked him if he wants to def...... he said nothing
22:39 <madmax|pt> he said something like "well since i shuffled out i am def"
22:39 <pavelo> oh
22:40 <pavelo> great, lets all shuffle to position 8
22:41 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Rav/rubber/spiral-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Rav
22:42 <madmax|pt> I wonder what is the best, fast understanding phrase to tell someone to grind center
22:43 <pavelo> there isnt one
22:43 <Skip> turn into the middle like everyone else or I will tk this whole damn team until they kick one of us?
22:43 <pavelo> new players dont know even what "grinding" means
22:43 <Skip> or you can just poll them, and at the same time tell them to grind the center.. that's effective :')
22:44 <madmax|pt> thats the point pavelo, at least not using the word grind is a good thing
22:44 <madmax|pt> probably the perfect phrase doesnt have 'grind' on it :P
22:44 <Skip> so the turn into the middle thing?
22:44 <pavelo> what i dont understand is why dont people figure it out by themselves.........
22:45 <pavelo> i mean if you see everyone doing that isnt it a natural course of action
22:45 <madmax|pt> Skip: polling is pretty bad, at least right on the first tries
22:45 <Skip> it always wakes them up or whatever..
22:46 <madmax|pt> its natural, but for a first timer, i guess its kind of ... ... scary
22:46 <Skip> anyway.. people who dont grind typically get booted from fort servers.. which arent for people who wouldn't grasp that fact instantly aka noobs.. they have a poll comming to them.
22:47 <madmax|pt> yeah, pretty strange behavior sometimes :D
22:47 <Skip> not doing it is criminal (to the team) imo.. and if you don't, you don't get treated like a human being im h o. :) thats the way to handle it
22:47 <madmax|pt> lol
22:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: fyi, rubymagick errors upgrading-- so don't do anything w/ the scripts to dep on newer ver :p
22:48 <madmax|pt> this isnt normal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlERjW0bhw
22:49 <pavelo> what does it say ?
22:49 <pavelo> the question ?
22:50 <Skip> LMFAO!
22:50 <Skip> I guess that explains the nongrinding..
22:50 <|Sticky|> gratz to sp the winners
22:51 <madmax|pt> pavelo: "What is it that orbits around the Earth?"
22:52 <pavelo> oh, cool
22:52 <|Sticky|> satalites
22:53 <madmax|pt> look at the link |Sticky| :P
22:53 <DrJoeTron> if you think different, you....
22:53 <pavelo> if you though that was funny, try this site: www.darwinawards.com
22:53 <DrJoeTron> you're going to hell
22:54 <pavelo>                 Named in honor of Charles Darwin, the father of evolution,                 the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool                 by removing themselves from it.
22:54 <DrJoeTron> darwinawards eh?
22:54 <DrJoeTron> welcome to the internet pavelo :D
22:54 <pavelo> thanks
22:54 <pavelo> :)
22:55 <DrJoeTron> shit I remember going there in like 8th grade
22:55 <pavelo> my favorite is the "Macho men"
22:56 <DrJoeTron> heh
22:56 <DrJoeTron> I remember very little of it
22:56 <DrJoeTron> seeing as 8th grade was about 6 years ago
22:57 <DrJoeTron> my god I'm old
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23:00 <Skip> wb
23:00 <Durka> gay
23:01 <Durka> the entire finals was just full of gayness
23:01 <Durka> imo
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23:01 <Durka> hi rico
23:01 <Skip> thats because I wasnt there
23:01 <Rico> hi
23:01 <Durka> i got holed 10 times by sp
23:01 <Rico> nice
23:01 <Durka> they even took the winzone in one critical round
23:01 <Durka> i mean come on
23:01 <Rico> blah
23:01 <Skip> its fine.. there's a solution to the holing
23:01 <Durka> there is no solution
23:02 <Skip> :')
23:02 <Durka> when they have a 2 man advatnage
23:02 <Durka> 6 on 8
23:02 <Rico> pfft
23:02 <Durka> we needed u 2
23:02 <Durka> why didnt u wanna play
23:02 <Rico> sry, i wouldve played but im slackin today badly
23:02 <Skip> ....I was locked out.
23:02 <Durka> aww
23:02 <Rico> we lost 2-0
23:02 <Durka> when we played TM
23:02 <Durka> it was so funny
23:02 <Durka> in the ENTIRE 2 matche
23:02 <Durka> s
23:02 <Durka> i didnt die once
23:03 <Rico> wow
23:03 <Durka> they holed me once, but other than that they didnt win a round
23:03 <Rico> rofl
23:03 <Durka> :D
23:04 <Skip> there's a solution to being out manned even.. because the whole of their team isnt better.. definately not so than x. but I doubt x worked as a team
23:04 <Skip> because.... I WASNT THERE
23:04 -!- revan [n=revan@c-69-245-193-52.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
23:04 <|Sticky|> yeah we didnt quite click as a team
23:05 <Durka> this is my "bold statement" about the finals
23:05 <Durka> regarding tui
23:05 <Durka> If we had had a 2 man advantage, all our team's pings but 2 were under 100, & we holed SP 10 times, we would've kicked their ass. I rest my case.
23:05 <revan> Hi, could someone make a deb package for arma? (hehe, two days ago I was asking for an rpm package)
23:05 <Rico> no we cant
23:05 <Rico> and yes durka
23:05 <Rico> ><
23:06 <|Sticky|> there is an arma rpm
23:06 <Durka> we got holed more times than the Holers holed me that one ladle
23:06 <Rico> loool
23:06 <revan> I know but i'm using ubuntu now
23:06 <Rico> sigh
23:06 <Durka> do you want the .rpm source?
23:06 <Durka> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=armagetronad&filename=armagetronad-
23:06 <revan> 4 linux OS i've switched to.. :/
23:07 <pavelo> how about you compile from source, its not that difficult
23:07 <Durka> lol
23:07 <Durka> hi pavelo
23:07 <revan> Durka, I'm using ubuntu now. suse sucks.. :p
23:07 <pavelo> hi Durka
23:07 <pavelo> :)
23:07 <revan> pavelo um well, last time I compiled from source I had to install about 10 devel packages
23:07 <Rico> hi pav
23:07 <Durka> we only had 2 ppl on our team from europe
23:07 <Durka> well actually only 1
23:07 <Rico> who
23:07 <Durka> is iceland in europe?
23:07 <Rico> yea
23:08 <Durka> o then 2
23:08 <Rico> feather and luzi?
23:08 <Durka> ya
23:08 <pavelo> revan:well, at least now you know which ones
23:08 <revan> and I'm guessing I have to do the same: configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
23:08 <pavelo> you need to install
23:08 <Durka> the other 4 were'nt
23:08 <revan> not necessarily paveelo
23:08 <|Sticky|> suse does this all automaticaly :P
23:09 <|Sticky|> suse>ubuntu
23:09 <revan> suse sucks
23:09 <Rico> and durka, there was, probably 5 rounds in the 2 matches (where it was 4-5 on 1 in their favour) and i got holed
23:09 <Durka> read my feedback
23:09 <Rico> >_<
23:09 <Durka> ya i got holed 10 times in 4 matches
23:09 <Durka> read my feedback
23:09 <Durka> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle_Feedback#Feedback_for_the_Seventh_Ladle
23:11 <Rico> youre completely right
23:11 <|Sticky|> well if you like ubunu so much you will enjoy using it to compile arma from source
23:12 <Rico> also, i dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when im tryin to def against 4 attackers i dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with msgs to put me off
23:12 <Rico> ><
23:12 <Skip> I got news for SP.. you got cheated.
23:12 <pavelo> dont read them
23:12 <Durka> ?
23:13 <Skip> no ammount of holing or spamming you do will be your salvation when I actually get a chance to play.
23:13 <|Sticky|> i duno rico i would say 1. yes get rid of win zone, but 2. fine to ensuring teams are equal but i dont think you can ban holeing
23:13 <Rico> pav, i didnt have much choice, they took up half of my screen
23:13 <Durka> lol
23:13 <Durka> skip pwns
23:13 <Skip> Stay sharp.. I dont want a lame match like the one you guys got.
23:13 <Durka> i press function + page down more than I actually turn
23:14 <pavelo> did they do that deliberately ?
23:14 <Skip> yeah.. I instinctively know where the page down is as well
23:15 <|Sticky|> we do need some sort of tournament game management system where we can control who joins each team
23:15 <Rico> pav, i was getting messages like look over here
23:15 <Rico> look rico
23:15 <Rico> over there
23:15 <revan> well, that didn't take too long. Only 2 packages instead of 10 this time :)
23:15 <Rico> etc etc
23:16 <|Sticky|> can you password servers??
23:16 <Rico> idk
23:16 <Durka> u can close them
23:16 <Durka> talk_to_master 0
23:16 <Durka> then give out the custom connect info
23:16 <pavelo> or use bookmarks
23:16 <|Sticky|> seems the best way to keep out people but allow players to come in and out
23:18 <Durka> ya
23:18 <Rico> durka read my feedback
23:19 <Durka> no i will
23:19 <Durka> in the meantime try this map
23:19 <Durka> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Rav/rubber/spiral-0.1.aamap.xml
23:19 <Durka> go in the maze and back out
23:19 <Rico> cba
23:19 <Durka> with 1 rubber and -1 cycle_wall_length
23:19 <Rico> cba
23:20 <Durka> i agree
23:21 <Durka> skip!
23:21 <Rico> did u get like 10 fps in ur games
23:21 <Durka> i shouldve brought in my bots
23:21 <Skip> o_o; yes?
23:21 <Durka> to piss sp off
23:21 <Rico> XD
23:21 <Durka> lol
23:21 <Durka> i had like 20 fps
23:21 <Durka> but my ping wasnt good
23:21 <Durka> a bit of sliding
23:22 <Rico> i had to play 2 matches with 10 fps + 150 ping
23:22 <Rico> my isp fucked up today ><
23:22 <|Sticky|> anyone know whay the fps drops???
23:22 <|Sticky|> it seems strange
23:22 <Rico> too busy server i guess
23:22 <pavelo> too many players
23:22 <Skip> you guys.. bind the graphics redraw to a key.. like the up button
23:22 <Skip> and hit it when you have fps death
23:22 <|Sticky|> yeah but WHY too many players aint a reason
23:22 <Skip> you lag for like "1 second" and then your fps should be back up with typical things
23:23 <Rico> hm...
23:23 <|Sticky|> bandwith, server side cpu power, graphics??
23:23 <pavelo> of course it is
23:23 <Rico> that servers on a 1gb lan
23:23 <pavelo> more players==more thigns to draw and calculate
23:23 <Durka> Zman u here?
23:23 <Durka> I have a problem
23:23 <Durka> with ur server
23:23 <madmax|pt> Durka: sounds fun
23:23 <|Sticky|> rico where on the lan is it?
23:23 <|Sticky|> university???
23:23 <madmax|pt> that map
23:23 <Durka> lol
23:23 <Rico> no, i mean zmans not mine
23:23 <Durka> its easy
23:24 <Durka> but its fun with 1 rubber and infinite tail
23:24 <Durka> im gonna try with faster speed
23:24 <Durka> 30 is too easy
23:24 <Rico> lol
23:24 -!- revan [n=revan@c-69-245-193-52.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:25 <|Sticky|> but running a geforce whatever gfx card arma should be no prob at all.  I cant quite believe that this is the bottleneck
23:25 <Skip> System Setup -> Misc Stuff -> Global keyboard config -> Reload Textures [Up]
23:25 <Durka> ahhh
23:25 <Durka> zman u here?
23:26 <|Sticky|> i mean i get 300+ fps generaly how does this suddenly drop to 20-10 fps with the addition of about 5 or 6 players
23:26 <Durka> 300!!!???? o_O
23:26 <Durka> wow
23:26 <pavelo> wow
23:26 <Skip> 300.. sounds like ATI bs stuff.. I get 60 ..but with all the bells and whistles at max resolution
23:27 <Durka> achtung gets 700
23:27 <pavelo> i get performance drops too but not that radical
23:27 <Skip> What's he use?
23:27 <Rico> whats better, to spend $100 on a good 256mb geforce card or $100 on an ATI 512mb one
23:27 <Durka> hmmm
23:28 <Rico> cos i need to upgrade my gpu
23:28 <Rico> and theres a few im looking at
23:28 <Durka> $100000 on a video card that gets u 1 million fps
23:28 <Skip> for tron and ONLY tron?
23:28 <|Sticky|> what do you use at the moment rico??
23:28 <Rico> some shitty 64mb 4400
23:28 <Rico> xD
23:28 <|Sticky|> i use a laptop
23:28 <Skip> get a geforce 7600
23:28 <|Sticky|> nice
23:28 <Rico> i was gona get an ATI X1650 sapphire pro
23:29 <Rico> 512mb
23:29 <Rico> but idk whether to spend the same and get a 256mb geforce
23:30 <|Sticky|> hmm
23:30 <Durka> hmmm
23:30 <|Sticky|> what clock rates??
23:30 <Rico> idk off the top of my head
23:30 <Rico> 2 secs
23:30 <|Sticky|> id go for the one with the larger ram...sounds like arma may be filling up the grapics buffers
23:31 <Rico> hmm
23:31 <|Sticky|> cant be sure tho
23:31 <Rico> although ive been told a more powerful gpu is better
23:31 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508732BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
23:31 <|Sticky|> depends if you are going to use up all the ram or not
23:31 <Rico> idk yet ;p
23:31 <pavelo> how can arma fill up 256 mb of memory ???????????????????????
23:32 <|Sticky|> if you are not going to use all the ram then you dont need any more...additional ram just for show does not speed you up
23:32 <|Sticky|> but the higher clock rate will
23:32 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=470935
23:32 <Rico> thats the geforce one
23:32 <Skip> I thought the geforce 512 was $100
23:32 <Rico> no, the ati 512
23:32 <Skip> wth
23:33 <Rico> the ati 512mb is a bit more than 100 bucks
23:33 <|Sticky|> that is a bit of a beast
23:33 <Rico> the geforce 256 is the same price
23:33 <Rico> its got less ram, but more power
23:33 <|Sticky|> link the geforce plx
23:33 <|Sticky|> plz even
23:34 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=484118
23:34 <Rico> thats the ati
23:34 <Rico> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=470935
23:34 <Rico> and thats the geforce
23:34 <Rico> which would u get
23:35 <|Sticky|> remember dont nessesrily get taken in by clock rates...amd for instance do more than a pentium in one cycle so they are clocked at a slower rate than a pentium
23:36 <Durka> lol
23:36 <Durka> look
23:36 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:36 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:37 <madmax|pt> you already have a motherboard that supports PCI-E?
23:37 <Rico> yea
23:38 <Rico> ive just got some shitty 64mb mx card atm
23:38 <|Sticky|> think i may go for gigabit
23:38 <madmax|pt> heh kenny blew that
23:38 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
23:38 <Rico> wb
23:38 <Durka> that's the best thread :p
23:38 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:38 <Rico> ive seen ;p
23:38 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=127831#127831
23:38 <Durka> :p
23:39 <Durka> #luke
23:39 -!- pavelo [n=pavelo@unimatrix0.ubyt.sdjls.uniba.sk] has quit []
23:39 <Durka> armabot???
23:39 <Durka> #ping
23:39 <@armabot> pong
23:39 <Durka> #luike
23:39 <Durka> #luke
23:39 <Rico> lool
23:40 <Durka> damn armabot is not listengin :(
23:40 <Durka> #roulette
23:40 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:40  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:40 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
23:40 <Durka> :p
23:40 <Rico> LOL
23:40 <Durka> #roulette spin
23:40 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
23:40 <Durka> #roulette
23:40 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:41 <Skip> Roulette
23:41 <Skip> #roulette
23:41 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
23:41 <|Sticky|> rico??
23:41 <Rico> sticky?
23:41 <luke-jr> #rouletté
23:41 <@armabot> luke-jr: *click*
23:41 <Skip> type #roulette and die you whore
23:41 <Rico> #roulette
23:41 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
23:41 <Rico> ;p
23:41 <Skip> what a lucky bitch
23:41 <Rico> #roulette
23:41 <|Sticky|> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=572&model2=530&chart=231
23:41 <@armabot> Rico: *click*
23:41 <luke-jr> nVidia sucks
23:42 <|Sticky|> geforce by a long shot
23:42 <Rico> wow
23:42 <Rico> shit
23:42 <Skip> geforce needs to come with a "tron" profile.. since it comes wiht profiles for tons of other games
23:42 <luke-jr> nVidia sucks
23:42 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:43 <Durka> luke!~
23:43 <Skip> #kill luke-jr
23:43 <Durka> its not working!!!!!!!
23:43 <|Sticky|> look at the half life stats: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=572&model2=530&chart=199
23:43 <Durka> #luke
23:43 <Skip> #dict test
23:43 <Durka> stfu baka n00b!
23:43 <Durka> #g 1+1
23:43 <@armabot> Durka: 1 + 1 = 2
23:43 <Durka> brb
23:43 <@armabot> Skip: foldoc, gcide, wn, jargon, bouvier, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Test \Test\, v. i. [L. testari. See {Testament}.] To make a testament, or will. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] Test; bouvier: TEST. Something by which to ascertain the truth respecting another thing. 7 Penn. St. Rep. 428; 6 Whart. 284. Vide Religious Test; gcide: Test \Test\, n. [L. testis. Cf. {Testament}, (29 more messages)
23:43 -!- Durka is now known as Durka-away
23:43 <Durka-away> #armaservers
23:43 <Skip> god damn bot, you took long enough
23:43 <@armabot> Durka-away: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || (1 more message)
23:43 <luke-jr> ...
23:43 <Legit> #roulette
23:43 -!- Legit was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:44 <Skip> #weather luke
23:44 <Rico> ahahaha
23:44 -!- super_duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Lukeville, AZ is 62.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 21%. Wind: N at 3 mph (5 km/h).
23:44 <Skip> #roulette super_duck
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
23:44 <Skip> #roulette
23:44 <@armabot> Skip: *click*
23:44 <super_duck> lol
23:44 <Rico> #roulette
23:44 -!- Rico was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:44  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:44 <Skip> bahaha
23:44 <super_duck> haha
23:44 -!- Rico [n=tcs_ownz@user-54457d46.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <|Sticky|> Rico: you looked at those stats...the geforce consistantly trounces the ati in almost all the tests
23:44 <Rico> haha
23:44 <Skip> #weather duck
23:45 <Rico> ya stick
23:45 <luke-jr> get Intel
23:45 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871C40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out]
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "duck".
23:45 <luke-jr> for video chipset
23:45 <super_duck> lol
23:45 <Skip> #weather Durka
23:45 <super_duck> i am a super duck! thats y
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Durka".
23:45 <Skip> #weather hell
23:45 <Skip> #uberinsult
23:45 <@armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
23:45 <@armabot> Skip: The current temperature in Baseline Lake, Pinckney, Michigan is 33.1°F (5:41 PM EST on January 07, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa. 
23:47 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:48 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
23:48 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
23:48 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 53.6°F (10:30 PM WET on January 07, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa. 
23:48 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6728 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/enum.test/test.cpp): Massaged macros so that the user has minimal work with enums.
23:49 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6729 / (/ private/z-man/clio/tests/enum.test/test.cpp): GCC 4.1 compatibility.
23:52 <luke-jr> Durka-away: speak now or shut up for 4 hrs
23:52 <Rico> hes away
23:52 <Rico> duh
23:52 -!- Skip6 [n=skip@] has joined #armagetron
23:52 <Skip6> damn instinctive window closing.
23:52 <Rico> lol
23:52 -!- Skip6 [n=skip@] has quit [Client Quit]
23:52 <Skip> oh wait.. i didnt close it
23:52 <Skip> hahaha
23:52  * Rico slaps Skip
23:52 <Skip> #insult Rico
23:52 <@armabot> Rico - You are nothing but an unintelligent petrification of halfbaked rat-farts. 
23:52 <Rico> ahaha
23:52 <Rico> #insult Skip
23:52 <@armabot> Skip - You are nothing but an elf-skinned mound of hacked-up snot. 
23:52 <Skip> :< ..*cuts*
23:53 <Skip> #roulette
23:53 -!- Skip was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:53 -!- Skip [n=skip@] has joined #armagetron
23:53 <Rico> xDDDDDD
23:53 <Skip> jesus is back
23:53 <Rico> wb jesus
23:53 <Skip> ty Rico.. you took a lot of shit from Infamous earlier xD
23:53 <Rico> -.-
23:53 <Rico> i know
23:54 <Rico> what else was i meant to do
23:57 <super_duck> read my feedback on the ladle xD
23:57 <Rico> sec
23:57 <Durka-away> #luke
23:57 <@armabot> Durka-away: *click*
23:57 <super_duck> durka^^
23:57 <Skip> lmao
23:57 <Durka-away> >
23:57 <Durka-away> ?
23:57 <Rico> wb
23:57 <super_duck> read my feedback on the ladle xD
23:57 -!- Durka-away is now known as Durka
23:58 <Rico> legit its not even on the wiki
23:58 <Durka> bbl
23:58 <Durka> #ngith
23:58 <Durka> #night
23:58 <@armabot> Good night Durka!
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:58 <|Sticky|> inf seemed unuseualy pissed off
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 <@armabot> Durka: *click*
23:58 <Durka> #roulette
23:58 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
23:58  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:59 <|Sticky|> not quite sure why inf was so upset
23:59 <super_duck> im not? i should
23:59 <Rico> hes just like that
23:59 <Rico> if everything isnt how he wants it, he goes off on one
23:59 <|Sticky|> hmm

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