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Log from 2006-08-27:
--- Day changed Sun Aug 27 2006
00:02 <spidey> -_-
00:02 <spidey> yes
00:02 <spidey> i done downloaded it
00:02 <spidey> i'm on step 2 of 2
00:02 <spidey> o.o
00:03 <Vanhayes> ya just got done with that 68 one
00:03 <spidey> -_-
00:03 <spidey> i think i'll be a scout
00:03 <spidey> i like sniping
00:03 <Vanhayes> what server?
00:03 <spidey> dunno yet
00:03 <spidey> you got a mic?
00:03 <Vanhayes> nope
00:03 <spidey> you suck
00:03 <spidey> :p
00:03 <Vanhayes> lol
00:04 <Vanhayes> my old mic is too old for this comp
00:04 <spidey> o.o
00:04 <Vanhayes> dpesnt work 
00:04 <spidey> i've got 2
00:04 <Vanhayes> well there is different master servers too
00:04 <spidey> hmm
00:05 <Vanhayes> there are ones with planes and helicopters
00:05 <spidey> can i host a server?
00:05 <Vanhayes> dont think so
00:05 <spidey> bah
00:05 <spidey> if they do decide to sell it i better get a dedicated server!
00:06 <spidey> yay done
00:09 <spidey> ok
00:09 <spidey> west_Ca_1
00:09 <spidey> mission  comvat
00:09 <spidey> combat
00:09 <Vanhayes> which server
00:09 <spidey> well
00:09 <spidey> it froze
00:10 <Vanhayes> ya you arent in there
00:10 <spidey> it was using 223mb ram o.o
00:10 <spidey> hold on lemme close some stuff
00:10 <Vanhayes> might help :)
00:10 <spidey> no shit
00:10 <spidey> ok same server
00:11 <Vanhayes> ok
00:11 <Vanhayes> what name?
00:12 <Vanhayes> heh I love how no one ever takes vanhayes
00:13 <Vanhayes> heh nice
00:14 <Vanhayes> spidey
00:14 <Vanhayes> come to the room called training
00:15 <Vanhayes> pass is 123321
00:15 <Vanhayes> heh
00:15 <Vanhayes> spidey?
00:20 <spidey> hayes?
00:20 <spidey> i don't see a training
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00:21 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
00:23 <Vanhayes> ya I quit it by accident quit the client too heh
00:23 <Vanhayes> spidey: you in a game yet?
00:24 <spidey> no
00:24 <spidey> i was
00:24 <spidey> but i kept getting owned :D
00:24 <spidey> i don't see a room called training
00:25 <Vanhayes> hold on
00:26 <Vanhayes> spidey: check now
00:26 <Vanhayes> pas is 123321 remember
00:26 <spidey> coming
00:27 <Vanhayes> ok
00:27 <spidey> still don't see it
00:27 <spidey> i see
00:27 <Vanhayes> should be near the end
00:27 <spidey> nope
00:27 <spidey> which one you in?
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00:32 <DrJoeTron> the ram in this beast's life is at its end
00:32 <DrJoeTron> but man SourceNoid is fun
00:54 <spidey> ok
00:54 <spidey> Vanhayes, ?
00:56 <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes 
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01:14 <Vanhayes> #last --nolimit
01:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: [00:56:03] <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes, [00:54:25] <spidey> Vanhayes, ?, [00:54:22] <spidey> ok, [00:32:19] <DrJoeTron> but man SourceNoid is fun, [00:32:11] <DrJoeTron> the ram in this beast's life is at its end, [00:27:46] <spidey> which one you in?, [00:27:42] <spidey> nope, [00:27:18] <Vanhayes> should be near the end, [00:27:13] <spidey> i see, [00:27:07] (50 more messages)
01:14 <Vanhayes> spidey sry seems warrock and x-chat 2 dont like each other
01:15 <Vanhayes> @time
01:15 <Vanhayes> #time
01:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: 01:15 AM, August 27, 2006
01:17 <spidey> lol
01:17 <spidey> sky said thanks
01:17 <Vanhayes> ?
01:17 <spidey> hrphy
01:17 <spidey> leopard
01:17 <Vanhayes> o ya 
01:17 <spidey> whatever
01:17 <Vanhayes> lol
01:18 <spidey> sounds like a gay name for a dude to me
01:18 <Vanhayes> want to try warrock again?
01:18 <spidey> ya
01:18 <Vanhayes> ok
01:18 <spidey> same server/channel
01:18 <Vanhayes> yup
01:18 <spidey> k
01:18 <Vanhayes> played mission for the first time, its like last man standing
01:19 <Vanhayes> with teams
01:19 <Vanhayes> vehicle is pretty fun
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01:29 <spidey> hayes
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02:37 <spidey> was fun but
02:37 <spidey> i gotta piss
02:37 <spidey> brb
02:39 <spidey> hamburgers ;x
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02:40 <Vanhayes> #last --nolimit
02:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: [02:39:45] <spidey> hamburgers ;x, [02:37:04] <spidey> brb, [02:37:04] <spidey> i gotta piss, [02:37:00] <spidey> was fun but, [01:29:12] <spidey> hayes, [01:19:12] <Vanhayes> vehicle is pretty fun, [01:19:02] <Vanhayes> with teams, [01:18:47] <Vanhayes> played mission for the first time, its like last man standing, [01:18:32] <spidey> k, [01:18:19] <Vanhayes> yup, [01:18:11] <spidey> same server/channel, (50 more messages)
02:44 <spidey> heh
02:44 <spidey> to bad they don't have a dedicated server :/
02:51 <spidey> hahahahahaha
02:51 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
02:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: 
02:51 <spidey> guess where my webserver is
02:51 <Vanhayes> ?
02:51 <spidey> of all places
02:51 <Vanhayes> canada
02:51 <spidey> no
02:51 <Vanhayes> aw
02:52 <spidey> it's in tennessee
02:52 <Vanhayes> is that close to you?
02:52 <spidey> yes
02:52 <spidey> fayetteville
02:52 <spidey> it's about 40 miles from here
02:52 <Vanhayes> lol nice
02:53 <spidey> ya
02:53 <spidey> i did resolved my domain then did a lookup on the ip
02:53 <spidey> i was like
02:53 <spidey> o.o
02:56 <Vanhayes> spidey: want to try vehicle now?
02:56 <Vanhayes> i want to get better at flying
02:56 <Vanhayes> I usually crash with the plane and always crash with the helicopter
02:59 <Lucifer_arma_> you playing flightgear now?
03:00 <Vanhayes> lol no, my comp cant handle that game very well
03:01 <Vanhayes> warrock is this one
03:03 <Vanhayes> flightgear always took at least 5 min to load then was so choppy that I couldnt play untill all of the ground was out of my view
03:03 <Vanhayes> soo i could see was blue sky, which isnt that fun
03:05 <spidey> lol
03:06 <Vanhayes> spidey: join vehicle and the same room/pass
03:06 <spidey> i'm eating
03:07 <spidey> man
03:07 <Vanhayes> ok when your done then
03:07 <spidey> my pc sure doesn't like warrock
03:07 <spidey> or warrock doesn't like it
03:07 <Vanhayes> my irc client hates it
03:07 <spidey> mines does fine with it
03:07 <spidey> just
03:07 <spidey> laggy
03:07 <Vanhayes> closes everytime I join a game
03:07 <spidey> lol
03:07 <Vanhayes> the laggs actually pretty good for me
03:08 <spidey> i meet all the recommended requirements except the graphics
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> arma sucks
03:09 <spidey> spidey sucks at arma
03:10  * Your_mom_arma is sick of trying to help people and then getting cursed at
03:10 <spidey> curse back
03:10 <spidey> do like i do :D
03:10 <spidey> noone bothers me anymore
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> 'im confused'-guy 'Explains(bla bla)'-me "SHUT UP B*TCH I KNOW"-guy
03:12 <spidey> lol
03:12 <spidey> i don't talk to anyone anymore
03:12 <spidey> and noone talks to me
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> arma doesnt suck the people who play are jerks
03:12 <spidey> if they do i mentally ignore them :D
03:13 <Vanhayes> hahaha, nice I thought you meant other people were cursing at you for helping him
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:13 <Vanhayes> why mentally ehen you have an option spidey ?
03:13 <Vanhayes> when*
03:13 <spidey> huh?
03:13 <spidey> english please :D
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> silence menu
03:14 <Vanhayes> <spidey> if they do i mentally ignore them 
03:14 <spidey> oh
03:14 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> why mentally when you have an option spidey 
03:14 <spidey> because that menu takes effert
03:14 <Vanhayes> but not mental effort :)
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03:23 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv today?
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03:24 <spidey> sure
03:24 <spidey> now/?
03:25 <Your_mom_arma> 5 mins or so. i'ld like to see that save game finish
03:25 <Vanhayes> yes so would I
03:26 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma_: you have time for that now?
03:31 <Vanhayes> hmm spidey Your_mom_arma want to start a new one up?
03:31 <spidey> chure
03:31 <Your_mom_arma> ok
03:32 <Vanhayes> what server?
03:32 <Vanhayes> or port I guess
03:32 <Vanhayes> 5565
03:34 <luke-jr_> ...
03:34 <Vanhayes> you too I guess luke...
03:34 <Vanhayes> heh jk
03:34 <Vanhayes> didnt know you were here or not
03:34 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:35 <Vanhayes> #last --from luke-jr_ --nolimit
03:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: [03:34:02] <luke-jr_> ..., [16:26:08] <luke-jr_> rofl, [14:40:37] <luke-jr_> but it has to be done, [14:40:25] <luke-jr_> perhaps, but I don't see how anyone wants the kind of job where you just drive, [14:37:39] <luke-jr_> except minus the mesh, [14:36:04] <luke-jr_> perhaps the cost of gas is getting too high for that tho, [14:35:48] <luke-jr_> IIRC, on the east coast US they use a simple hardware wireless (50 more messages)
03:35 <Vanhayes> ya thats about 11 hours
03:36 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_ = book-hard?
03:37 <spidey> no
03:37 <spidey> book is a dev
03:37 <spidey> and he's fucking good
03:37 <Vanhayes> ya well he is a dev..
03:37 <spidey> lol
03:37 <Vanhayes> stupid devs
03:37 <spidey> we're gonna get owned :D
03:49 <Lucifer_arma_> I'm probably not going to be able to play the rest of that saved game, so I can either run it for you guys to finish, or send it and one of you guys can run it
03:49 <Lucifer_arma_> school starts monday
03:55 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: want to finish that game?
03:55 <luke-jr_> not right now really
03:56 <spidey> then
03:56 <Vanhayes> argh I want to get it done before school starts
03:56 <spidey> can luci put a euro map up? :D
03:56 <Vanhayes> plz
03:56 <spidey> i would
03:56 <spidey> but i don't know what i'm doing :D
03:58 <Vanhayes> well if luke-jr_ would play we could finish that game
04:00 <Lucifer_arma_> the point is I won't have time to play anything again until a couple of weeks after school starts, if then
04:00 <Lucifer_arma_> depends.  I'm taking errr, I forgot already
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> it's gotta be 15 credit hours
04:01 <Vanhayes> hmm well we could always play for an hour or two a day after school starts
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's 14 credit hours, 4 classes
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> calc 3, physics, drafting, and us government
04:02 -!- Lucifer_arma_ is now known as Lucifer_arma
04:02 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: could you set up your server with a europe map?
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> it could be "all bets are off until the summertime", because the following semester has a whole bunch of math-heavy classes
04:03 <Vanhayes> we can play that save game whenever really
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> sure
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> started
04:04 <Vanhayes> ok thx
04:04 <spidey> hold on
04:04 <spidey> wait
04:04 <spidey> i'ma kill the AI at 3050bc
04:04 <spidey> lol
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> tonight I've got some programming to do, a release I've been putting off (for no good reason, heh), and I need to finish gathering school supplies in the house so I know what I need to buy still, if anything
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> my GPA is 3.875 now :(
04:14 <luke-jr_> hm
04:15 <luke-jr_> someone forgot to add to aabeta
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05:02 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
05:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
05:05 <spidey> gimme a minute
05:05 <spidey> my soldat host just came online
05:05 <spidey> and owes me 2 months of hosting
05:05 <spidey> -_-
05:15 <luke-jr_> eh?
05:16 <spidey> soldat
05:16 <spidey> they're reactivating my server with 2 months credit :D
05:17 <luke-jr_> :o
05:17 <luke-jr_> what happened?
05:17 <spidey> they went down for 3 months
05:18 <spidey> after the second i stopped paying
05:18 <spidey> lol
05:18 <luke-jr_> no excuse/reason?
05:18 <spidey> not that i know o
05:18 <spidey> f
05:18 <luke-jr_> you didn't demand an explanation? =p
05:18  * luke-jr_ would, but his stuff isn't just a game =p
05:18 <spidey> hey
05:18 <spidey> i'm happy to get my $60 back
05:19 <spidey> plus only $15 a month for 3 months
05:19 <spidey> it's normally $30 a month
05:19 <Vanhayes> spidey: how long are you going to be?
05:19 <spidey> gimme 5 minutes
05:19 <spidey> brb
05:21 <luke-jr_> so shouldn't you be getting credit for 4 months then?
05:21 <spidey> no...
05:21 <spidey> the server costs $30 a month right?
05:21 <spidey> i payed 2 months in advanced for it
05:21 <spidey> then they went down
05:21 <luke-jr_> <spidey> plus only $15 a month for 3 months
05:21 <spidey> so i'm getting that credit back
05:21 <spidey> BUT
05:22 <spidey> after that
05:22 <spidey> it's $15 for 3 months
05:22 <spidey> then it's back to normal
05:22 <luke-jr_> o
05:22 <luke-jr_> hmm
05:22 <luke-jr_> $30/mo sounds nice
05:22  * luke-jr_ bugs soldat guy for src =p
05:22 <spidey> that's for 32 slots
05:22 <luke-jr_> ah
05:22 <luke-jr_> how much bw is that?
05:23 <spidey> dunno
05:23 <spidey> my server's on a 1gb port
05:23 <luke-jr_> dedicated?
05:23 <spidey> i guess
05:23 <luke-jr_> I doubt it o.o
05:24 <luke-jr_> dedicated is expensive
05:24 <spidey> they're free i think
05:24 <spidey> they advertise for the connection
05:24 <spidey> i saw it somewhere
05:24 <luke-jr_> ?
05:26 <luke-jr_> I wonder if I should offer 4-slot and 8-slot at 16-slot prices with a setup fee o.o
05:26 <spidey> lol
05:27 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.d
05:27 <spidey> ...
05:27 <armabot> spidey: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
05:27 <Your_mom_arma> WPN (We Pwn Noobs) <- new name of lol
05:28 <luke-jr_> I know
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> We are a group of highly skilled tron players that have joined together to create the ultimate clan. There are no noobs allowed here. We strictly pwn. 
05:28 <luke-jr_> they wish?
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> If i didnt know better i'ld think this was sarcasm
05:29 <spidey> haha
05:29 <spidey> indeed
05:29 <spidey> to bad i suck ass now
05:29 <spidey> or i'd have fun with them
05:33 <luke-jr_> maybe I should offer specials
05:33 <luke-jr_> like
05:33 <luke-jr_> prepay 5 months, get the 6th month free
05:33 <luke-jr_> dunno if that's financially practical except for 4 slot tho lol
05:33 <luke-jr_> maybe I should raise prices so I can do that kind of stuff o.o
05:41 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
05:42 <Vanhayes> spidey, Your_mom_arma wait a few minutes for it to restart
05:42 <spidey> ok
05:42 <spidey> ok
05:42 <spidey> it's ready
05:43 <spidey> :D
05:43 <Your_mom_arma> should i come back?
05:44 <spidey> yes
05:47 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
05:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> Your_mom_arma: you there?
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
06:03 <spidey> like that luke?
06:03 <spidey> lol
06:03 <luke-jr_> stfu luser
06:03 <spidey> it's ready
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> what happened?
06:03 <luke-jr_> I wonder why my IME only works in Freeciv
06:04 <spidey> i tried to cut him
06:04 <spidey> then he voted
06:04 <spidey> then i got the command right
06:04 <spidey> lol
06:10 <spidey> ???
06:11 <spidey> Vanhayes, Your_mom_arma you get disconnected to?
06:11 <luke-jr_> ??? @ you
06:11 <Vanhayes> no
06:11 <spidey> w
06:11 <spidey> t
06:11 <spidey> f
06:11 <luke-jr_> bad spidey 
06:11 <luke-jr_> cutting everyone
06:11 <spidey> ?
06:12  * luke-jr_ glares at spidey 
06:12 <luke-jr_> um
06:12 <luke-jr_> how is this at 6000%?
06:12 <luke-jr_> kinda scary from a filesystem damage recovery program :x
06:12 <spidey> it won't let me reconnect
06:12 <spidey> but
06:13 <spidey> i can connect to other servers
06:13 <Vanhayes> says you did
06:13 <spidey> ?
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> try now
06:15 <spidey> i am...
06:15 <Vanhayes> spider?
06:15 <Vanhayes> says you conected
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv needs a few gametesters
06:20 <spidey> fuck it
06:20 <spidey> appearently i'm not supposed to play freeciv -_-
06:21 <Vanhayes> kept showing that you connected
06:22 <Vanhayes> then diconnected
06:29 <spidey> #ping
06:29 <armabot> pong
06:29 <Vanhayes> #pong
06:29 <spidey> not this fucking bullshit again
06:29 <spidey> Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
06:29 <Vanhayes> lol
06:29 <spidey> can i sue my isp for really shit quality??
06:29 <Vanhayes> try joining again
06:29 <luke-jr_> doubt it
06:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: maybe for false advertising
06:30 <luke-jr_> eg, if they claim 100x dialup
06:30 <luke-jr_> and cap you at 30x
06:30 <luke-jr_> 100x dialup is 5.6 mbit fyi
06:30 <GodTodd> nah...cuz they usually say "up to" whatever
06:30 <spidey> they say 100x faster
06:30 <spidey> it's 50x faster
06:30 <luke-jr_> 700 KB/sec
06:31 <luke-jr_> if they say 100x faster and your *cap* is under 700 KB/sec, it's false advertising
06:31 <luke-jr_> if it's a cap, then "up to" is still a lie
06:31 <spidey> i get half that
06:31 <spidey> around 380kb/s
06:31 <luke-jr_> but what is your cap set to?
06:31 <spidey> ....
06:31 <GodTodd> i'm willing to bet that they are covered quite nicely in fine print
06:31 <spidey> 3mbit
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06:32 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: don't think it's possible if it's actual false advertising
06:32 <luke-jr_> what are they gonna say? "only 50x, we lied about 100x"?
06:32 <spidey> lol
06:32 <GodTodd> ok luke...once again you know better than anyone else
06:32 <spidey> btw
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06:32 <spidey> fine print doesn't count
06:33 <spidey> for 1
06:33 <spidey> they did it over the phone
06:33 <GodTodd> nothing in writing at all?
06:33 <spidey> for 2 if there was something like that aren't they obligated to tell you if you're not in person to see the ToS or signing?
06:34 <GodTodd> not if they tell you where to see the ToS
06:34 <luke-jr_> they cannot hold you to a ToS or contract without you being told the exact terms
06:34 <spidey> GodTodd, no it was done over the phone
06:34 <spidey> it was call, they come setup
06:34 <spidey> then leave
06:34 <spidey> i wasn't even here when they did it
06:34 <luke-jr_> erm, how'd they get in?
06:34 <spidey> they didn't
06:35 <spidey> they ran what they could of the line
06:35 <spidey> i did the rest
06:35 <spidey> :p
06:35 <luke-jr_> modem?
06:35 <spidey> ya?
06:35 <spidey> modem
06:35 <luke-jr_> how'd you get it? =p
06:35 <spidey> i live herE?
06:35 <luke-jr_> ...
06:35 <luke-jr_> most homes don't come with modems
06:35 <spidey> oh
06:36 <spidey> they gave left it on the back pourch
06:36 <luke-jr_> lol
06:36 <spidey> with the rest of the coax
06:36 <luke-jr_> rofl
06:38 <GodTodd> what company is it?
06:38 <spidey> charter
06:38 <luke-jr_> seriously, see what happens if you threaten to sue =p
06:39 <luke-jr_> they are obviously false advertising if they don't offer 6mbit and claim to
06:39 <GodTodd> i can guarantee they have something somewhere that says "we cannot guarantee quality of service" yada yada yada
06:39 <luke-jr_> that wouldn't matter
06:39 <spidey> they only offer 3mbit
06:39 <luke-jr_> they *intentially* go out of their way to *prevent* it
06:39 <GodTodd>  <spidey> can i sue my isp for really shit quality??
06:39 <GodTodd> that has nothing to do with speed
06:39 <luke-jr_> spidey: also be sure it's not a national commercial, and just a regional restriction
06:40 <spidey> heh
06:40 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: in his case it does =p
06:40 <spidey> well
06:40 <spidey> lets see
06:40 <spidey> rains = shit connection
06:40 <GodTodd> speed does not equal quality
06:40 <spidey> at night = shit
06:40 <luke-jr_> for an ISP, quality is speed, latency, and protocols
06:40 <spidey> GodTodd, does ping? does dropping out?
06:40 <spidey> does not being able to hold a connection
06:40 <spidey> it's shit quality
06:40 <GodTodd> ok luke...earthlink is not an isp then, eh?
06:41 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: no, not really =p
06:41 <Vanhayes> #night
06:41 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
06:41 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: they're a mere brand label
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06:41 <GodTodd> fine...i'm wrong, luke is right....as always
06:41 <luke-jr_> I would know, being an Earthlink customer
06:42 <GodTodd> and i wouldn't, having done tech support for them
06:42 <luke-jr_> the only thing Earthlink about me is my RDNS
06:42 <GodTodd> gotcha
06:42 <luke-jr_> I pay Time Warner, get service from TW, go to TW for support, etc
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm here
06:42 <GodTodd> i already said you're right
06:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, to late
06:42 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm not
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> says the freeciv game is still going.  I started it in a screen session, so it shouldn't have stopped when I rebooted my laptop
06:44 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it crashed and burned I think
06:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no my connection broke
06:44 <spidey> AGAIN
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> then van bailed
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> and i can play against bots local
06:45 <spidey> lol
06:45 <spidey> i can connect to public servers for somereason
06:45 <spidey> wanna play there?
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> nah im tired of freeciv for today
06:45 <spidey> luci = only one i can't
06:46 <spidey> i need more ram
06:46 <spidey> and another hdd o.o
06:46 <spidey> but the gfx card comes first
06:47 <spidey> whenever my mom sends the $40 to finish the payment
06:48 <spidey> 98 movies and i've seen them all so many times i could careless if i had them anymore
06:48 <spidey> :/
06:50 <spidey> ahhhhh
06:50 <spidey> i need to get one of my 40gig drives back -_-
06:51 <spidey> #check jurrasick
06:51 <armabot> spidey: jurassic
06:51 <spidey> ty!
06:56 <Lucifer_arma>     You can think of this as the Republican Party simulated by the game server, where the game server will always oppose every vote in favor of maintaining the status quo.   <--- who wrote that?  heh
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07:03 <groundpig> hi
07:03 <luke-jr_> hi
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:04 <groundpig> my map blows
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> want me to make a new one?
07:04 <groundpig> that would be great if you could!
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> alright
07:05 <groundpig> the problems now are 1) the dtd 2) the spawn point layout
07:05 <groundpig> not sure exactly what the optimal layout for CTF would be though
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> rectangle overall
07:06 <groundpig> respawn added some issues
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> does it respawn using zmans code?
07:07 <groundpig> yes, but with some modifications
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> i kept spawning outside the areana
07:08 <groundpig> that part i did not touch
07:09 <Your_mom_arma> should we put walls near the flag?
07:10 <groundpig> whatever you think would work best
07:10 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
07:10 <groundpig> i think the main thing for respawn is to make it not be right in the middle of the base and the flag
07:11 <luke-jr_> fun, CTF
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07:12 <luke-jr_> groundpig: when you have a versioned DTD that conforms with the rest of the map stuff nicely, let wrtlprnft or I know
07:12 <groundpig> i think it just needs to add a flag zone type
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> how about spawn infront of the base centered and have the flag up and right of spawn
07:14 <groundpig> i wonder if having the flag be in the base would work
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> it would work
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> want that?
07:15 <groundpig> i could just do that with the map i have now, to test it out
07:16 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6110 /www/wiki/trunk/ (. skins/armagetronad/main.css): Margin changes, hopefully
07:18 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6111 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> sounds like a good idea
07:23 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6112 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:24 <groundpig> ok i changed it, we'll see
07:25 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6113 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:26 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6114 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:27 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6115 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
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07:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6116 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, the margins were really annoying me on the wiki.  Sorry for spamming irc with svn commits again, heh.
07:40 <arctanx> guys, I can't find the option >.< which console setting adjusts how quickly rubber used decreases?
07:40 <arctanx> is that rubber efficiency? or something else?
07:40 <spidey> #armaconfig rubber
07:41 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER: Additional niceness for high ping players (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (11 more messages)
07:41 <spidey> #more
07:41 <armabot> spidey: (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_LEGACY: Revert to old, framerate dependant and old-clients-ripping, rubber code if old clients are present. Old means <= (10 more messages)
07:41 <spidey> #more
07:41 <armabot> spidey: here. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TIME: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINADJUST: When adjusting to or 180ing into a wall, allow going closer by at least this amount (relative to the last (9 more messages)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> has anybody noticed the lack of spam on the wiki, or am I smoking something?
07:42  * arctanx sighs
07:43 <spidey> put the pipe down!
07:44 <arctanx> the descriptions aren't helping me, does anyone know the specific setting?
07:46 <arctanx> ah, found it I think
07:47 <spidey> i just used a few settings
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED       Rubber usage is based on distance travelled if this is 0 (default) and the time passed if this is 1. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well.
07:47 <spidey> set the rubber at 5 used a few settings to multiplyy it
07:47 <spidey> so people don't bitch if they don't know the rubber is really 10
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to set rubber at 50 and kick people who dig/iron/whateverthefuckit'scalled
07:48 <spidey> lol
07:48 <spidey> you know
07:48 <spidey> "I" haven't banned one person from any of my servers
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's what they did on MBC, yeah, I know
07:49 <spidey> the server has autobans though
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've only ever banned 2 people, maybe 3.
07:49 <spidey> spam and such
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've only firewall banned people
07:49 <spidey> awhile back when i ran a server local i banned psyko
07:49 <spidey> lol
07:49 <spidey> same
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've come real close to kicking psyko just for fun, heh
07:50 <spidey> it's hard isn't it?
07:50 <spidey> lol
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> but I have amazing self-control!  :)
07:50 <spidey> i only kicked like 7 people
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> still, if he says "gay" I'll kick him in a heartbeat, even if he says "I just realized I'm gay, I'm coming out of the closet"
07:51 <spidey> the obnoxious assholes and the ones that try to poll a new player while i'm trying to help them get the hang of it
07:51 <spidey> -_-
07:51 <spidey> i think now my 2 servers are mostly user run :s
07:51 <spidey> i haven't been in them in atleast a month
07:53 <spidey> hmm
07:53 <spidey> which reminds me
07:54 <spidey> the fortress crowd is kinda small now days, and there's more us fortress servers
07:54 <spidey> thinking about taking it down o.o
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, it shrunk when z-man took down his big fortress server
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> now the fortress crowd mostly seems to just bitch about not having a big fortress server anymore.
07:56 <spidey> honestly
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I took my server down, though.  Don't know if I'll bring it back, either.  Nobody played there and I was just tired of running a server.
07:57 <spidey> well
07:57 <spidey> mainly
07:57 <spidey> a us fortress server won't get much traffic
07:57 <spidey> because
07:57 <spidey> the bigger part are europeans
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> many of the fortress players are european?  heh
07:57 <spidey> and they won't play with a 150+ ping
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> wusses
07:58 <spidey> they concider THAT high
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know.  wusses
07:58 <spidey> i'd glady take a 150 ping, lol
07:58 <spidey> hell, a guy from britian had a 130 ping
07:58 <spidey> so it's not that bad
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> Manta always had 400+ and did a fine job of kicking ass and taking down names
07:59 <spidey> dude
07:59 <spidey> in wild west fortress
07:59 <spidey> manta has a 175 or less ping
07:59 <spidey> :S
07:59 <spidey> it even went down to 165 once
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> can he even play with that good a ping?
07:59 <spidey> lol
08:01 <spidey> i want a t3
08:01 <spidey> :/
08:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, buy me a t3
08:01 <spidey> plzkthnx
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> NO!
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:05 <spidey> why not :(
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> looks like my backups are working fine right now, but only taking up 13GB of the backup partition
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I'm increasing the interval to 4 weeks instead of 1 week
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> having a mostly empty backup partition isn't the best backup I can have!
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> if 4 weeks don't reach 20GB, then I can consider going to an 8 week backup with 2 full backups
08:08 <groundpig> manta is on my server now if you want to double check his ping
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, nah, I better not.  I haven't played in a month or so and at least until I started playing freeciv I was happy to have that time back
08:08 <spidey> i haven't seen his ping under 200 on any server beside his
08:09 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you suck now, you won't be as intrested
08:09 <spidey> i went in a server
08:09 <spidey> 2 minutes later i left
08:10 <spidey> how is it
08:10 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, is the only one who can play other games and be good at both at the sametime
08:10 <spidey> -_-
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> how do I get a cronjob to email me its output?  shouldn't that be automatic?
08:15 <spidey> hahahahah
08:15 <spidey> i fucknig hate cronjob emails
08:15 <spidey> i had 5k from that fucking thing once
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, better, how do I get cron to only email me for one command?  heh
08:15  * Lucifer_arma just realized he is getting email for everything
08:15 <spidey> that's the problem
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably better to carefully write the script to email me on its own instead
08:15 <spidey> it emailed me for one command
08:15 <spidey> over
08:15 <spidey> and over
08:15 <spidey> and over again
08:15 <spidey> :/
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I want to setup a weekly cronjob that checks backup increments and emails me
08:16 <spidey> dunno, i've only used cpanel cronjob
08:16 <spidey> i point and click, it does it for me
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, the backups are happening, I just checked by hand, but I want a weekly email so I can easily check how it's going
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> like, there's 14 days of backups but there should only be 7.  I've just set it for 4 weeks, so I want to watch and see that at 28 days it gets cut off like it's supposed to
08:17 <spidey> hmm
08:17 <spidey> dunno
08:19 <spidey> ok i'm going to sleep so i'll be up intime to annoy wrtlprnft 
08:20 <spidey> #google McSpiddles
08:20 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.27 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://armagetronad.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
08:20 <spidey> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 94 times.
08:20 <spidey> For example, like this:
08:20 <spidey>      * spidey slaps wrtlprnft 
08:20 <spidey> lol
08:21 <spidey> ok 
08:21 <spidey> now i goto sleep
08:21 <spidey> #night
08:21 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 800MB in KB
08:43 <armabot> 800 megabytes = 819,200 kilobytes
08:43 <luke-jr_> #g 800 YB in KB
08:43 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:43 <luke-jr_> aww
08:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> YB?
08:45 <DrJoeTron> groundpig hi! im responding to your message of earlier today
08:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lolol
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08:50 <DrJoeTron> man i wanna play ZOE
08:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> zoe?
08:50 <DrJoeTron> zone of the enders
08:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> zone of the enders?
08:51 <DrJoeTron> giant fast robot fighting action 
08:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm k
08:51 <DrJoeTron> its for ps2
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm gonna get an xbox in a couple of days
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna install linux on it
08:53 <DrJoeTron> have fun with that PIII in there
08:53 <luke-jr_> heh
08:53 <luke-jr_> might have been a deal when it came out...
08:54 <luke-jr_> now, it's just a waste
08:54 <DrJoeTron> you know
08:54 <luke-jr_> get a PS3 w/ Linux or smth =p
08:54 <DrJoeTron> xbox is the first system to kill a baby
08:54 <luke-jr_> lol
08:55 <groundpig> DrJoeTron: just saying hi
08:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: ps3 is too expensive
08:56  * [Xpert]DarkStar is just a poor student
08:56 <groundpig> finally had some time to play more tron, but not for long
08:57 <groundpig> only have 2-3 weeks left until the piglet
08:57 <luke-jr_> is a POWER 6 too expensive?
08:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would armagetron b playable on a 400mhz celeron without 3d accelerated gfx?
08:58 <luke-jr_> I'd hope so
08:58 <luke-jr_> obviously w/ details all minimum
08:58 <luke-jr_> you won't get floor mirror for sure =p
08:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aww
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i once played it on a 150 mhz sparc
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "played"
08:59 <luke-jr_> if you want, give me a budget and I'll pick out parts for a new PC from newegg =p
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no thanks... i have a decent machine in the office... just too lazy to get out of bed
09:00 <luke-jr_> lol
09:00 <luke-jr_> build a Myth system
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> myth?
09:01 <luke-jr_> it's a Linux PVR
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pvr?
09:01 <luke-jr_> you can run games too of course
09:01 <luke-jr_> like TiVO
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> dun ring a bell :/
09:01 <luke-jr_> ...
09:02 <luke-jr_> http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures
09:02 <luke-jr_> more or less, it's a UI designed for TVs
09:03 <luke-jr_> then just stick games, emulators, etc on it
09:03 <luke-jr_> SIP phone too
09:04 <luke-jr_> with a web interface for stuff too complex for a remote
09:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lookd cool
09:04 <luke-jr_> but that stuff is just TV i think
09:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> looks
09:04 <luke-jr_> which is dumb anyway
09:04 <luke-jr_> better to download stuff to it =op
09:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
09:08 <luke-jr_> is it acceptable to wait a month before a store ships your DVDs?
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no it's not
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yay, got a weekly backup report cronjob now
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i should eventually make backups of my stuff as well
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you install rdiff-backup I can send you the script I'm using
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i guess i'm just gonna make conventional backups
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> and "eventually" is a losing time period.  Found that out this summer.
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09:11 <luke-jr_> hrm
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> "now" is a much better time period :)
09:11 <luke-jr_> you know, if it was a scam... would Google have had a paid ad for it?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> um, could be
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> why are you buying dvds anyway?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> MPAA == evil
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the presense of a google ad does not mean it's reputable.  It's a self-serve signup process, iirc.
09:14 <luke-jr_> Each item is a special order and can take up to 21 days to receive, in the rare event of a back order, we process it the moment we receive it. Please be patient, one of the reasons you receive such a low price on our site is we don't carry a big stock. 
09:14 <luke-jr_> MPAA does non-movies?
09:16 <luke-jr_> :x
09:16  * luke-jr_ was buying them cuz it's a decent price and download was SLOW
09:16 <luke-jr_> didn't imagine the shipping would be SLOWER
09:17 <luke-jr_> but anyway, under $1 per episode comes out pretty good
09:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone here know an isp in france that offers dial up at only phone costs?
09:20 <luke-jr_> translation: they don't charge you?
09:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
09:21 <luke-jr_> how do they do that?
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> MPAA = Motion Picture Association of America
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they either work with the telephone provider or they ARE the telephone provider
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like here in switzerland there's this provider for internet and phone
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09:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: motion picture = movie
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> you ordered dvds that don't have movies on them?
09:23  * Lucifer_arma wants to know why it takes hiim so long to receive email
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, 5 minutes is a long time!
09:23 <luke-jr_> 1 hour episodes
09:24 <luke-jr_> X-Files
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> xfiles
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> tv companies are evil too, you know
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> best series ever
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> the guys that say you have to watch commercials because that pays for tv?  Those guys?
09:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes, but <$1/ep is cheaper than download time too
09:24 <luke-jr_> shrug, DVDs don't have commercials
09:24 <luke-jr_> or if they do, I never see them with mplayer
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if the dvds do or not, you're still giving money to those people
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> just like registering a domain with godaddy, but I guess pictures of people having sex are far more evil than companies trying to suck away your freedom for the sake of corporate greed
09:25 <luke-jr_> I'm giving money to Time Warner too
09:25 <luke-jr_> the point is that I get my value in return
09:25 <luke-jr_> or that's the theory anyhow
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> your freedom is valueless, then?
09:25 <luke-jr_> no
09:26 <luke-jr_> but buying DVDs doesn't sell my freedom
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> sure it does.  Can a tivo still skip commercials?
09:26 <luke-jr_> shrug
09:26 <luke-jr_> I imagine a Mythbox can
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> sure, maybe, as long as the MythTV guys don't have to face what OLGA's facing
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> www.olga.net
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> or what happened to dvd Jon (even though he got off in the end, heh :)  )
09:27 <luke-jr_> give me a nuke and I'll use it =p
09:27 <DrJoeTron>  tivo can skip commercials
09:27 <luke-jr_> there, see
09:27 <DrJoeTron> but now tivo has advertisements built in
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> really?  All's I really know is that the tv guys were trying to use the LAW to make them stop
09:28 <DrJoeTron> no
09:28 <DrJoeTron> more like Tivo needs MONEY
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, they kinda always had advertisements, but they were optional, afaik
09:28 <DrJoeTron> tivo is getting close to death
09:28 <luke-jr_> ROFL
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> from fighting all those lawsuits?  heh
09:29 <DrJoeTron> theyve been winning some
09:29 <DrJoeTron> but everything is replacing it
09:29 <DrJoeTron> so its almost not really needed
09:30 <DrJoeTron> dvr's ondemand stuff like that
09:30 <DrJoeTron> to top it off tivo is now limiting how long you can have recorded shows for
09:30 <luke-jr_> that's smart
09:30 <luke-jr_> limit features to compete...
09:30 <DrJoeTron> now its only for a weel
09:30 <luke-jr_> =p
09:30 <DrJoeTron> week*
09:30 <luke-jr_> usually competition involves *innovation* and *adding* features
09:30 <luke-jr_> sounds to me like tivo is just plain dumb
09:31 <luke-jr_> I was supposed to be in bed 2 1/2 hrs ago -.-
09:31 <luke-jr_> I have to start my new job Mon
09:31 <DrJoeTron> tivo WAS great
09:31 <luke-jr_> and it's a 9-6 thing
09:32 <DrJoeTron> if you read engadget you will usually find something about tivo every other day
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, they were under a lot of pressure
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i think they won their case against Echostar
09:33 <DrJoeTron> who were making dvr;s
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> my point ws that if you buy dvds with tv shows on them, you're most likely supporting evil companies
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> I realize sometimes you have no choice.  You have to pay your electric bill, and if it's not a publicly-owned utility, it's probably an evil company
09:34 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=Tivo
09:34 <DrJoeTron> you know who i want to really support?
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> I have to pay my internet bill, and time warner is the only high speed option I've got right now
09:34 <DrJoeTron> www.rifftrax.com
09:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: my electric company is installing a $300 thermostat gratis o.o
09:35 <DrJoeTron> think mst3k
09:35 <DrJoeTron> its the same writer
09:39  * Lucifer_arma notes that Halliburton is a power company
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit I was never terribly impressed with the "watch cartoon characters watch movies" genre of tv programming
09:42 <luke-jr_> lol
09:43 <GodTodd> actually, halliburton makes their money supplying "power companies"
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> with what?
09:44  * Lucifer_arma notes he doesn't really know why halliburton is supposed to be evil
09:44 <GodTodd> well...mostly they supply the stuff to pull oil out of the ground
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> they make dykes?
09:45 <GodTodd> derricks, tankers, firmware...that sort of thing
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> er, I guess the dyke joke wasn't very funny
09:45 <GodTodd> i got it ;)
09:45 <GodTodd> heh
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> I wondered what halliburton did, actually.  The only thing I thought I knew was that they owned some of the Houston power companies
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> and they had an accounting scandal that threw egg on Cheney's shirt
09:46 <GodTodd> they don't own any power companies afaik
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, they might have also been the ones that lost all that money in the early days of Iraq, maybe that was the scandal they were in trouble for
09:47 <GodTodd> yeah...it was the iraq thing that was forced on them
09:47 <GodTodd> they didn't want the contract
09:47 <GodTodd> heh
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09:48 <GodTodd> but they had all the shit do do it "right now"
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know for sure is that halliburton took a fall for Cheney.  Who the blame belongs to, I don't know, I just think they were supposed to take the fall for Cheney
09:48 <GodTodd> yeah
09:48 <GodTodd> it was the whole "cheney has his thumb on the oil companies" bullshit
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> and while Texas companies are capable of being evil just like anyone else, there's a pervading business attitude in texas that always makes me question when a Texas company is involved in something like that
09:49 <GodTodd> yeah...but look at enron ;)
09:49 <GodTodd> heh
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> enron was an accounting scandal, it wasn't an institutional thing...
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> see, you gotta draw the line.  Is the whole company evil, or is it just a few bad apples?
09:50 <GodTodd> true
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> in my experience, all of Microsoft is evil.
09:50 <GodTodd> personally, halliburton is ok by me...they pay my bills :)
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, you tend to favor the company that feeds you :)
09:50 <GodTodd> exactly :)
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why do they pay your bills? 0o
09:51 <GodTodd> my wife works for them
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
09:52 <luke-jr_> btw
09:52 <luke-jr_> did I mention that I'm building an automatic binary producer thing
09:53 <luke-jr_> cross-compiling to OSX,Win & major Linux OS?
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sounds cool
09:55  * wrtlprnft goes annoy spidey 
09:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey:
09:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you know you can edit the CSS directly
09:57 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
09:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/MediaWiki:Armagetronad.css
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10:14 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't put it in svn, though
10:22 <DrJoeTron> gomes is going to remove the password for the Teamspeak server
10:23 <DrJoeTron> we're going to see how that pans out
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> you're gonna have Armabreathatron :)
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10:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah, i know, but does it have to be there ;)
10:38 <wrtlprnft> umm, did anyone ever try banning by name<question mark> it never worked for me
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I tried once and it didn't work, I could be talking out my ass there on the wiki
10:39 <wrtlprnft> worked for me
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> could have been a problem with recognizing names, like the guy might have used a zero instead of an O, but I typed an O, no telling.
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> it was awhile back, before came out
10:43 <wrtlprnft> at least part names don't work
10:43 <wrtlprnft> never tried full names
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: has there been much spam on the wiki lately?  I haven't seen anything in the logs that looks like either spam or spam cleanup.
10:46 <wrtlprnft> no, there hasn't
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not just imagining things?  I'd like to turn on anonymous editing again if possible.  :)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> It's looking like that bad behavior program really works, anonymous posting has been enabled on my website for a bit and there's been no spam.
10:51 <wrtlprnft> try it...
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10:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, turned back on anonymous editing
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> let me know if we get spammed again :)
10:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Game_Variations
10:58 <wrtlprnft> better
10:58 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
10:59 <wrtlprnft> umm, any reason the labyrinth script isn't published
10:59 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> it is, but it's not terribly easy to find
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's not the response you were shooting for :)
11:01 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:01  * Lucifer_arma points to /private/Lucifer
11:02 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's also on the forums in a few places
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'll zip it up and stick it on the wiki
11:03 <wrtlprnft> why not just link to SVN
11:03 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:03 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/aamaprotator/scripts/mazer.py?view=markup
11:04 <wrtlprnft> that'll always use the most current revision
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> only it doesn't get revised much, no reason it can't be in a zip file :)
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I should probably use that code hacks page to release a bunch of stuff I've got sitting around
11:16 <wrtlprnft> the way you're setting up the Code Hacks page you're forcing me to post my race script too :s
11:16 <wrtlprnft> smells like work
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, I'm pretty tired of there being all these code hacks laying around that nobody's ever bothered to collect in one place :)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm as guilty as the next guy...
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll put the sty stuff on the code hacks page
11:24 <wrtlprnft> grr!
11:24 <wrtlprnft> you can't upload .gz files onto the wiki!
11:25 <wrtlprnft> *<question mark>!
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> .zip works, though
11:26 <wrtlprnft> screw .zio, i refuse
11:26 <wrtlprnft> *.zip
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, enabled gz, tgz, and bz2
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it'll take .tar.gz though, I seem to remember reading that somewhere
11:31 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about .tar.gz
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, it'll take .gz, so it should take .tar.gz
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, should take .gz by itself :)
11:34 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't take .php.gz
11:34 <wrtlprnft> well, uploaded it as Racer-php.gz
11:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, you starting to abuse lists for discussions now, too<question mark>
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> ?  you're uhhhh supposed to use lists for discussions?  Is there any reason you can't type ? ?
11:56 <wrtlprnft> umm, you're not supposed to use lists
11:57 <wrtlprnft> and no, i can't type <question mark>, I'd probably need to restart X11
11:57 <wrtlprnft> and i'm too lazy to use copy and paste all the time
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> what are you supposed to use to thread the discussion then?
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12:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: headings<question mark>
12:33 <wrtlprnft> == Topic 1 ==
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't thread the discussion
12:33 <wrtlprnft> Initial post
12:33 <wrtlprnft> :reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> ::reply to the reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> :reply to the 1st reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> == Topic 2 ==
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't : create a list of some sort too?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> no
12:34 <wrtlprnft> ; combined with : does
12:35 <wrtlprnft> or, actually it does. That sucks.
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> <dl><dd>I think separating the page into two sections is better. I did that and added links where to find the hack needed. &mdash;<a href="/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft" title="User:Wrtlprnft">Wrtlprnft</a> 03:58, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> </dd></dl
12:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see.
12:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought it would create nested divs
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> thus far the convention has been to use * to do it, ** is a reply to a reply, etc.
12:37 <wrtlprnft> it isn't the convention on wikipedia
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't noticed a convention on wikipedia.  :)  I've noticed a lot of discussions that are very hard to follow.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> it all generates stupid markup :(
12:38 <wrtlprnft> ** creates:
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose we probably never documented our convention, but basically it used to be to use horizontal lines, then Jonathan came along and said "use lists so it threads"
12:38 <wrtlprnft> <ul><li>test
12:38 <wrtlprnft> <ul><li>test
12:38 <wrtlprnft> </li></ul>
12:38 <wrtlprnft> </li></ul>
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> The problem with lists is that on the edit page, you can't separate with blank lines between replies, which makes the edit page hard to read
12:39 <wrtlprnft> it would be nice if it could generate something like
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> embedded divs would be best, but I actually think threaded comments (ala drupal) would be ideal :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> too bad the liquid wiki engine is broken right now.  :/  I'd be in a hurry to move the wiki into drupal if it actually worked.  I was even going to write an importer, heh.
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you're right, lists make the most sense if they're used continuously
12:41 <wrtlprnft> but the first post should be a list item too, then
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I think the convention so far has been not to make it one, and then the first set of replies can be spaced, which lets you space out the first level of threading anyway
12:42 <[dlh]> Isn't there a SoC project to add a better comment system to the wikipedia engine?
12:42 <[dlh]> (Google Summer of Code)
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> with the margin changes I just made, we have to think about too much indentation now, too.  :(
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: I don't know.
12:43  * wrtlprnft doesn't use the armagetronad skin, it's too broken for me
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> our wiki is badly out of date, though, heh.
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> the armagetronad skin might disappear soon.  Lack was going to do some work on the websites, don't know if he's started yet.
12:44 <[dlh]> Yea, there is: http://code.google.com/soc/wikim/about.html
12:45 <wrtlprnft> looking at the HTML, there's some things i totally dislike about it :s
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> about what?
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> mediawiki or something else?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> 	  	  <h1 class="firstHeading">Recent changes</h1>
12:45 <wrtlprnft> 	  <div id="bodyContent">
12:45 <wrtlprnft> 	    <h3 id="siteSub">From Armagetron Advanced Wiki</h3>
12:45 <wrtlprnft> why is the subtitle a <h3><question mark>!
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah.  I think that's in the skin itself, though.
12:46 <wrtlprnft> it's in monobook
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  armagetronad is just a rip of monobook with some css changes
12:46 <wrtlprnft> and it's there on wikipedia, too. So they didn't fix it
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> I want to spinoff the tournament hub to its own website, but I'm concerned we'll lose important features that are inherent in wiki editing
12:53 <wrtlprnft> why<question mark>
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, the assumption is that there's a program that can be run that will take care of a lot of the grunt work of running a tournament, send notifications when the tournament gets near, handle brackets and stuff, that sort of thing
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> send announcements when someone wins, etc
13:01 <wrtlprnft> can't you just make a wiki page and have everyone subscribe to it as rss or email
13:01 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> um, sure.
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> see, the wiki is like having a bunch of blank pieces of paper, and people are organizing tournaments using it like that, and doing a FIne Job
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, people might resist moving the tournament hub off the wiki
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> er, how do I force firefox to update a cached dns lookup?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> time for a new isp
13:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: dunno about firefox, but the only way with opera is to restart it
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe this tournament program requires phpbb
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17:21 <madmax|pt> hello
17:27 <wrtlprnft> hi
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18:23 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:24 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr_: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86601#86601
18:25 <wrtlprnft> who got to name that setting, TEAM_CENTER_BOSS<question mark>
18:25 <wrtlprnft> it neither matches a search for "leader" nor "shuffle" :s
18:25 <wrtlprnft> so i didn't find it
18:26 <Your_mom_arma> Yeah its obscure
18:27 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:28 <Your_mom_arma> threading?
18:28 <wrtlprnft> original post
18:28 <wrtlprnft> :reply to original post
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ::reply to reply
18:28 <wrtlprnft> :another reply to the original post
18:28 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
18:28 <wrtlprnft> or with * or anything
18:29 <Your_mom_arma> it gets too cluttered imo
18:29 <wrtlprnft> that's because people tend not to understand it
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18:29 <Your_mom_arma> hey
18:29 <groundpig> hi
18:29 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> it ends up going on endlessly
18:30 <groundpig> everyone gets really mad when i turn on shooting, its funny
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> so : :: ::: :::: ::::: and so on
18:30 <groundpig> take out respawn then?
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
18:31 <Your_mom_arma> oh, taliking to wrtl about wiki formating
18:31 <groundpig> :B)
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: yeah, i know. And Lucifer_arma told me that the wiki makes a definition list out of that, which is incredibly stupid
18:34 <wrtlprnft> so **** is better, as it's a real list
18:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:44 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: did you want me to just make a rectangle map?
18:45 <Your_mom_arma> We could just smooth out the styball map
18:50 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations#Formating
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18:54 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: whats with the huge space after the first bulletpoint?
18:54 <wrtlprnft> huge space&#63;
18:55 <wrtlprnft> it's a post with three paragraphs that belong together
18:56 <Your_mom_arma> the space is about 12 characters long oms
18:57 <Your_mom_arma> resizing the window makes it more reasonable
18:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:57 <Your_mom_arma> but still
18:57 <wrtlprnft> horizontal or vertical&#63;
18:57 <wrtlprnft> what browser&#63;
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> what browser&#63;
18:58 <wrtlprnft> my question mark key doesn't work, hence the &#63;
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> is that on purpose?
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> oh
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> horizontal space, firefox
18:59 <wrtlprnft> that also means both backslash/&#92; and sharp s/$szlig; don't work either
18:59 <wrtlprnft> oh, i think that's Lucifer_arma's modifications
18:59 <wrtlprnft> i don't really know what he was intending with that
18:59 <wrtlprnft> I'm using the monobook skin
19:00 <Your_mom_arma> it doesnt happen after the second bulletpoint which is odd
19:00 <Your_mom_arma> changing skins fixed it
19:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
19:01 <wrtlprnft> it's because i'm using paragraphs probably
19:02 <wrtlprnft> g2g supper
19:06 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
19:06 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: rectangle map would be fine
19:10 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: how did you do this? http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:11 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: if you want something different feel free to ask, i just didnt come up with any ideas
19:12 <groundpig> really anything is fine, rectangle like sty without the goals would be perfect, as long as it links to a new DTD
19:12 <Your_mom_arma> okay
19:13 <groundpig> if it has that, i can always tweak the flag / base locations afterwards
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19:25 <Your_mom_arma> did you need me to move the spawn points up?
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> also im not putting in zones since i kind of like the way you have it already 
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> dtd's done
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19:30  * DrJoeTron yawn
19:31 <DrJoeTron> man i hate taking the cta to chicago
19:33 <DrJoeTron> alone at least
19:34 <Your_mom_arma> California Teachers Association
19:34 <Your_mom_arma> Computer Technology Associates
19:35 <Your_mom_arma> or Chicago Transit Authority
19:35 <spidey> lol
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19:37 <JoeTron> fucking ram
19:38 <JoeTron> i need to change it really really soon
19:39 <Your_mom_arma> did you run memtest?
19:40 <JoeTron> dont need to
19:41 <JoeTron> i know its bad the day i put it in
19:41 <spidey> shit
19:41 <JoeTron> its a completely different speed
19:41 <spidey> my soundcard go boom
19:41 <spidey> :(
19:41 <JoeTron> 512mb in my pc is PC3200
19:42 <JoeTron> the other 512 is PC2700 i beleive
19:42 <JoeTron> might be lower
19:42 <Your_mom_arma> i remember when they where giving away ram in cerial boxes when ddr came out
19:42 <JoeTron> haha yeah
19:42 <Your_mom_arma> whens that going to happen with ddr2
19:42 <JoeTron> they are skipping it
19:42 <spidey> o.o
19:42 <JoeTron> ddr3 is soon
19:42 <JoeTron> ddr2 is already been out
19:43 <JoeTron> very few things use it
19:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah but noone uses it
19:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
19:43 <JoeTron> ddr3 is comming out
19:43 <JoeTron> so
19:43 <spidey> joe
19:43 <spidey> !
19:44 <spidey> find me a soundcard o.O
19:44 <Your_mom_arma> i probobly have one in the garage you can have but its definatly not pci
19:44 <spidey> heh
19:45 <JoeTron> i have one too
19:45 <JoeTron> but i dont think it works
19:45 <spidey> nah, joe finds me good stuff cheap :p
19:45 <JoeTron> its one of those friggin 1999 creative sound blasters
19:45 <spidey> now get to work!
19:45 <spidey> well
19:45 <JoeTron> www.newegg.com
19:45 <spidey> soundblaster is the one i just fryed
19:45 <spidey> lol
19:45 <spidey> but
19:45 <spidey> unmute the mic and it works fine
19:45 <spidey> only the audio out
19:45 <spidey> :(
19:45 <Your_mom_arma> doesnt your mb have one?
19:46 <spidey> yes
19:46 <spidey> it doesn't work either
19:46 <Your_mom_arma> how could you have broken it?
19:46 <spidey> maybe because i got my stereo wired to it
19:46 <spidey> surround sound baby :D
19:46 <Your_mom_arma> well why do you need a new soundcard if you have surround sound?
19:47 <spidey> .....
19:47 <spidey> stop trying to confuse me :p
19:47 <Your_mom_arma> ?
19:47 <spidey> ok
19:47 <spidey> stereo = wired to soundcard
19:47 <spidey> soundcard = blown
19:47 <spidey> so
19:47 <spidey> no surround sound anymore
19:47 <JoeTron> you dont need a sound card for surround sound
19:48 <spidey> well i don't see how the soundcard was affected because
19:48 <spidey> 1
19:48 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: with kolourpaint, gvim and a lot of patience
19:48 <spidey> it goes 
19:48 <wrtlprnft> but i did use symmetry properites, of course
19:48 <spidey> soundcard - speakers - adapter i made - stereo
19:48 <spidey> so if anything the speakers should have shorted
19:48 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl your my hero if you actually did at least most of that by hand
19:48 <wrtlprnft> so effectively i only did a quarter and mirrored the rest using gvim's search and replace feature
19:49 <wrtlprnft> and for the circles i used nemo's generator
19:49 <wrtlprnft> but the rest i did by hand :P
19:49 <Your_mom_arma> still counts as alot of work in my book
19:49 <wrtlprnft> too bad you can't really use it
19:49 <Your_mom_arma> spidey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829180001
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: just make areana size really huge
19:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: that's not the problem
19:50 <wrtlprnft> did you actually try it&#63;
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> no
19:50 <wrtlprnft> well, you get like 2FPS
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> im not suprised
19:51 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm hoping for some engine optimisations
19:51 <Your_mom_arma> #help last
19:51 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> currently rim walls are split up into tons of small ones
19:51 <Your_mom_arma> triangles?
19:52 <Your_mom_arma> the game needs alot of optimization imo
19:52 <wrtlprnft> but more than two per wall
19:52 <JoeTron> i hear that
19:52 <JoeTron> thats this game ultimate problem
19:52 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
19:52 -!- JoeTron is now known as DrJoeTron
19:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: fix it :P
19:53 <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www.
19:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with www
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:53:08] <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www.
19:53 <DrJoeTron> gimmie a stick of gum, il stick it somewhere
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with www. --nolimit
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:53:08] <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www., [19:49:49] <Your_mom_arma> spidey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829180001, [04:09:11] <Your_mom_arma> http://www.darwinia.co.uk/about/images/engineer.gif, and [21:03:14] <Your_mom_arma> http://www.playgenesis.com/index2.htm
19:53 <DrJoeTron> and il bring out more duct tape
19:53 <Your_mom_arma> heh
19:54 <DrJoeTron> and rusty strings
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> didnt get the link to the map
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> wheres mcguyver
19:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, you mean my map
19:54 <wrtlprnft> &#63;
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> he'll reprogram the game by scrubbing toothpaste on your hardrive
19:55 <spidey> is it possible for just the line out to fry and the rest work? o.o
19:55 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't contain www ;)
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with resource-
19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:10:11] <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: how did you do this? http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:55 <Your_mom_arma> aw
19:55 <Your_mom_arma> thanks wrtl
19:55 <wrtlprnft> yw
19:59 <Your_mom_arma> heh i never thought arma might need a load screen till i loaded that map
20:00 <Your_mom_arma> managed to get 5fps at one point
20:00 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:01 <spidey> man
20:02 <spidey> i swear
20:02 <spidey> every wire in this house has electrical type
20:02 <spidey> tape*
20:02 <spidey> fucking dogs chewed on my speaker wire
20:02 <spidey> !!!
20:03 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: for wiki formatting, first of all the css needs to be fixed. It sucks right now.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> #bodyContent ul, ol, dl, pre {
20:05 <wrtlprnft>     margin-left: 10%;
20:05 <wrtlprnft>     margin-right: 10%;
20:05 <wrtlprnft> }
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that's the responsible rule in the css
20:05 <wrtlprnft> why is it in % anyways!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> *&#63;!
20:08 <spidey> ....
20:09 <Your_mom_arma> if i was going to post my hud in the forums where would it go?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=55 &#63;
20:10 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: did you ever figure out why the other huds i had made crashed the game?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> was that the bug that didn't happen to me&#63;
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> likely
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> i can load some of the huds i made because they crash local games
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> er cant
20:12  * wrtlprnft was trying to fix the CSS, but as i have no clue what Lucifer_arma wanted to do in the first place i'm giving up
20:12 <wrtlprnft> percentage margins suck in this case anyways
20:13 <wrtlprnft> if you nest two lists they'll both have different calculated margings
20:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: did you just want to have some spacing between the dark area&#63; If so there should be an easier way
20:14 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: can you give me a link to these again
20:14 <wrtlprnft> &#63;
20:15 <luke-jr_> percents are for scaling and dividing =p
20:18 <Your_mom_arma> hud i just posted http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86681#86681
20:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv <-- i can't find the footnote corresponding to **
20:19 <wrtlprnft> they footnotes should be linked anyways
20:19 <Your_mom_arma> hud that was broken http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63551#63551
20:19 <wrtlprnft> or directly use the tite attribute
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20:20 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you have an account on the repository, right&#63; Then upload it ;)
20:20 <Your_mom_arma> does the auto upload work?
20:21 <wrtlprnft> should
20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/add-resource/
20:21 <wrtlprnft> then upload the screenshot and add it to the wiki
20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list
20:22 <wrtlprnft> that would be the 9th
20:22 <Your_mom_arma> does it look nice?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> sure :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> though i'll keep using mine, if that's what you're asking
20:23 <wrtlprnft> they're just, like, totally opposite
20:23 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
20:23 <Your_mom_arma> well i wanted the classic look and the map
20:24 <Your_mom_arma> so i did alot of tweaking on the classic map you made and added the map 
20:24 <Your_mom_arma> er hud not map
20:26 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Your_mom/classic_m-0.0.2.aacockpit.xml: Resource by Your_mom
20:26 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:26 <spidey> omg
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20:26 <spidey> micro found the axis command
20:26 <spidey> :/
20:26 <DrJoeTron> downgraded :/
20:27 <spidey> mbc now = 6 axis
20:27 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I think it was supposed to be ***
20:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah i know
20:27 <wrtlprnft> read the post
20:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: o.o
20:28 <wrtlprnft> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../src/tron/tFunction.cpp', needed by `libtron_a-tFunction.o'.  Stop.
20:28 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:28 <wrtlprnft> what does a file named __t__Function.cpp do in src/tron&#63;!
20:28 <luke-jr_> ask joda
20:29 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:29 <wrtlprnft> Makefile.am is screwed :P
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20:30 <spidey> o.o
20:30 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if that 512 stick did anything
20:30 <DrJoeTron> because its running almost the same
20:30 <spidey> that's really gonna suck
20:30 <spidey> micro wants to run a hexagon map
20:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:30 <spidey> -_-
20:30 <wrtlprnft> i was about to upload one to the repository for him
20:30 <spidey> !
20:31 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: you're using Windows
20:31 <spidey> i'll hate you
20:31 <spidey> forever
20:31 <spidey> ~
20:31 <wrtlprnft> that is, wasn't there one before&#63; luke-jr_&#63;
20:31 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ and?
20:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: port HexaTRON? :)
20:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, will do
20:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you know, IRC isn't HTML
20:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:31 <DrJoeTron> what does that have to do about anything
20:31 <wrtlprnft> you know, my question mark key is broken
20:31 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: In Windows, unused RAM is useless
20:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, lies
20:32 <DrJoeTron> not true at all
20:32 <Your_mom_arma> cockpit upload is broken?
20:32 <spidey> luke-jr_, proves how much you know about windows :p
20:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
20:32 <wrtlprnft> and i'm too lazy to find a question mark for copying and pasting all the time
20:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: not lies
20:32 <spidey> yes lies
20:32 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: y&#63;
20:32 <luke-jr_> ??????????????????????????
20:32 <luke-jr_> there, plenty
20:32 <wrtlprnft> ??????????????????????????
20:32 <luke-jr_> =p
20:32 <spidey> windows even has a swap
20:32 <Your_mom_arma> it uploaded to my root folder and not Your_mom/cockpit/...
20:32 <spidey> it's just called something else
20:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: so?
20:32 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_: if you're monitor breaks, it because of windows
20:33 <luke-jr_> Windows does *nothing* with unused RAM
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: well, you have "cockpit" in your category attribute
20:33 <luke-jr_> it just sits there
20:33 <spidey> luke-jr_, ok windows xp uses 64mb ram to run
20:33 <spidey> you put xp on a box with 64mb ram
20:33 <DrJoeTron> 128 actually
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: and it puts the cockpit file to the right path
20:33 <spidey> then one with 512
20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: I said UNUSED, not USED
20:33 <spidey> tell me if there's a difference
20:33 <spidey> still
20:33 <spidey> unused gets used
20:33 <luke-jr_> if DrJoeTron is used to using 512, and he adds 512 more, chances are he isn't usign 1 GB yet
20:33 <spidey> what's the difference
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it can't even know the directory structure on your local machine, all it gets is the filename, and it ignores that.
20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: unused only gets used if you use it
20:34 <spidey> luke-jr_, so??? better performance
20:34 <wrtlprnft> who even CALLED it __t__Function&#63;!
20:34 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: RTFM on resource attributes
20:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: not until you use it
20:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: joda
20:34 <DrJoeTron> im running stress tests now
20:34 <wrtlprnft> it uses stuff from engine
20:34 <spidey> DrJoeTron,  no the minimal requirements for xp is 84mb
20:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: no
20:34 <wrtlprnft> he just put it into a separate file
20:34 <spidey> i know because i run it on a box with 133mhz and 64mb ram
20:34 <spidey> 'er
20:35 <spidey> 300mhz
20:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: shrug, he made first mention of it that I remember
20:35 <spidey> or someshit
20:35 <DrJoeTron> to function some what properly it need 128mb
20:35 <wrtlprnft> well, what should i do&#63;
20:35 <spidey> no
20:35 <luke-jr_> spidey: as opposed to Linux, which takes unused RAM and caches stuff in it
20:35 <spidey> it's jsut a bit slower
20:35 <wrtlprnft> move it to engine and run a global search and replace&#63;
20:35 <spidey> it runs fine on 64mb
20:36 <DrJoeTron> i need to open more shit
20:36 <spidey> lol
20:36 <wrtlprnft> just keep it where it is but do an ugly hack in the makefile that effectly makes it a part of tron&#63;
20:36 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ....
20:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: &#63;
20:36 <spidey> what's with &#63; all the time
20:36 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: tFunction should be obsolete when vValue is done anyhow
20:36 <wrtlprnft> 20:31 <wrtlprnft> you know, my question mark key is broken
20:37 <spidey> ....
20:37 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, the trunk doesn't compile right now
20:37 <wrtlprnft> .....................................................................
20:37 <wrtlprnft> my . key isn
20:37 <wrtlprnft> 't broken, see&#63;
20:37 <spidey> how the fuck does a key have to do with &#63; input
20:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ...
20:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: ROFL
20:38 <wrtlprnft> look it up on an ASCII chart
20:38 <spidey> i'd rather not
20:38 <wrtlprnft> i just noticed i'd be in real trouble if i broke the & key
20:38 <luke-jr_> 'c'
20:38 <luke-jr_> 63 = 'c'
20:38 <wrtlprnft> err
20:38 <wrtlprnft> that would be hex
20:38 <luke-jr_> unless you use lame decimal, then it's '?' =p
20:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i'm using the HTML code for decimals
20:39 <wrtlprnft> &#x63; or something like that would be c
20:43 <Your_mom_arma> i like how i cant make a simple mistake without luke jr spouting off RTFM
20:44 <spidey> haha
20:44 <wrtlprnft> well, what'd you expect, Your_mom_arma&#63;
20:44 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld expect at least a little patience
20:44 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: you were the one complaining about it =p
20:45 <Your_mom_arma> yeah and i made a mistake
20:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i meant, "what do you expect from __luke-jr___/#63;"
20:45 <DrJoeTron> no mistakes!
20:45 <DrJoeTron> QUITTA BOY!
20:45 <Your_mom_arma> i forgot slight mistakes are punishable by luke-jr_ lectures
20:46 <spidey> well
20:46 <spidey> when luke-jr_ starts i minimize
20:46 <spidey> it works wonders
20:47 <GodTodd> i heard somewhere that the need to always be right and to correct others is a sign of insecurity....
20:47 <GodTodd> just a general statement ;)
20:47 <spidey> lol
20:47 <DrJoeTron> hmm
20:47 <Your_mom_arma> also (14:32:55) Your_mom_arma: cockpit upload is broken? hardly qualifies as complaining
20:47 <DrJoeTron> now that i have this stick of 512
20:47 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: "RTFM" is hardly a lecture
20:47 <DrJoeTron> im gonna put it in the replacement lobster cage
20:48 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: ok, it's an accusation =p
20:48 <luke-jr_> actually, that part really didn't apply
20:48 <luke-jr_> because you didn't mention a problem
20:49 <luke-jr_> so if it was left at that, my response would have been 'not AFAIK'
20:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i just did the most ugly fix ever
20:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sure?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> as the insertion/extraction operators use nMessage and it isn't available in src/tools I just made these functions templates
20:51 <luke-jr_> ...
20:51 <[dlh]> why not just move it back to tron?
20:52 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Your_mom/cockpit/classic_m-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml: Resource by Your_mom
20:52 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: because I don't feel like running global search and replaces
20:52 <wrtlprnft> and because there's no reason a tFunction can't be generated in src/tools
20:52 <Your_mom_arma> can someone delete .2 ?
20:52 <wrtlprnft> why&#63;
20:53 <Your_mom_arma> its useless
20:53  * wrtlprnft waits for luke-jr_ to tell Your_mom_arma to RTFM and that resources should never get deleted
20:53 <wrtlprnft> but sure, just to annoy luke-jr_ 
20:53 <Your_mom_arma> thanks :-)
20:53 <[dlh]> Luke has deleted resources before
20:53 <DrJoeTron> hey guys
20:53 <DrJoeTron> suggestion
20:53  * luke-jr_ revokes wrtlprnft 's access
20:53 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: nope
20:53 <DrJoeTron> suggestion
20:53 <[dlh]> hexatron
20:54 <[dlh]> yes?
20:54 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: what about it?
20:54 <Your_mom_arma> yeah?
20:54 <[dlh]> you delted it from the repo
20:54 <luke-jr_> nope, I hid it
20:54 <[dlh]> deleted*
20:54 <wrtlprnft> well, you deleted some of my maps as i promised to instantly re- upload them
20:54 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: it's still there
20:54 <DrJoeTron> hmm
20:54 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: see the required promise =p
20:54 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: it just doesn't work anymore, so luke-jr_ hid it
20:54 <DrJoeTron> how big of an hdd should i put for a the LC
20:54 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't appear in the directory listing, but is still there
20:54 <Your_mom_arma> well i can learn from my mistakes and just never use the repository again
20:55 <DrJoeTron> would 10 gig be ok
20:55 <DrJoeTron> its gonna be running xp pro
20:55 <luke-jr_> tho I'll probably un-hide it soon and add something so the UI hides it only
20:55 <[dlh]> alright, sounds good
20:55 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: there's a good reason why deletions never occur
20:55 <Your_mom_arma> ive done a xp install on less thena 5 gb hard drive
20:55 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: and never should on any repository
20:55 <DrJoeTron> yeah but what about for a server
20:56 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: Windows is not a server
20:56 <luke-jr_> certainly not XP
20:56 <Your_mom_arma> i dont see where any problems would occer
20:56 <Your_mom_arma> whats up luke?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> well, in this case there won't
20:57 <luke-jr_> won't?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it hasn't been used by anyone but Your_mom_arma 
20:57 <DrJoeTron> did windows rape your wife or something last night?
20:57 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how do you know? ;)
20:57 <[dlh]> I downloaded it and am using it :S
20:57 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: not even M$ would call XP a server
20:57 <Your_mom_arma> i changed the catagory tag thats it
20:57 <luke-jr_> see
20:57 <DrJoeTron> a server is a computer system that provides services to other computing systems
20:57 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: we can hide it, so it's unlisted
20:57 <DrJoeTron> so its a fucking server
20:57 <wrtlprnft> gotta agree with luke-jr_ on this one: WinXP aint a server OS
20:58 <[dlh]> M$ == instant troll, though
20:58 <DrJoeTron> not asking for OS
20:58 <DrJoeTron> im asking for HDD
20:58 <DrJoeTron> i love trolls
20:58 <luke-jr_> you're asking for a HDD for a non-existent setup =p
20:58 <DrJoeTron> then dont respond if you're not going to help
20:59 <DrJoeTron> because you're wasting my time
20:59 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: at least hack it so it's a server OS =p
20:59  * luke-jr_ made a hybrid XP+Win2k Advanced Server once
20:59 <Your_mom_arma> luke feel free to just hide it then, im not useing the resource repository again
20:59 <DrJoeTron> spidey
20:59 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: why not?
20:59 <DrJoeTron> suggestions on a hard drive size
20:59 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: isn't that kind of your job in the AA team? to make resources?
21:00 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: 250 GB is nice
21:00 <DrJoeTron> for an armagetron server?
21:00 <luke-jr_> nah, then you can get away with 50 MB
21:00 <luke-jr_> maybe
21:00 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
21:00 <luke-jr_> 1 GB would be plenty
21:00 <DrJoeTron> 10 gig it is then 
21:01 <DrJoeTron> alright disconnecting for a few hours to build this fucker
21:02 <luke-jr_> ...
21:02 <DrJoeTron> wait, i need to dl an os
21:02 <luke-jr_> rofl
21:02 <DrJoeTron> damn it
21:02 <luke-jr_> a Gentoo LiveCD is just about 50 MB IIRC
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Transmitting file data ...svn: Commit failed (details follow):
21:02 <wrtlprnft> svn: MERGE request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src'
21:02 <wrtlprnft> svn: MERGE of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src': 500 Internal Server Error (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
21:02 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6118 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tFunction.cpp tools/tFunction.h): Compiles under linux again, though with a relatively ugly hack. see src/tools/tFunction.h for details.
21:02 <wrtlprnft> can't SF "just work"
21:03 <wrtlprnft> so, what happened now
21:03 <wrtlprnft> it showed a "commit failed" message for me
21:03 <wrtlprnft> but CIA thinks it worked
21:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: hello, need an SVN guru
21:03 <luke-jr_> if CIA gets it, I think it worked
21:04 <[dlh]> Yes, it worked
21:04 <Your_mom_arma> luke i guess you can just kick me off the development team if you cant respect my decision
21:04 <wrtlprnft> [dlh] == nemo&#63;
21:04 <[dlh]> yea
21:04 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: he can't
21:04 <Your_mom_arma> if he asks i'll resign
21:04 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: only guru3, Lucifer_arma and z-man can
21:04 <wrtlprnft> if i ask you don't you don't? :)
21:05 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:05 <Your_mom_arma> nice ?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> why did that just work
21:05 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> if i press it like 5 times it works?!
21:05 <wrtlprnft> just weird
21:08 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just tried your file, doesn't crash
21:08 <wrtlprnft> but it looks good
21:09  * wrtlprnft wonders if it's a bad time to ask Your_mom_arma to upload that file to the _offial_ resource repository
21:09 <wrtlprnft> *official
21:11 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034180020.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:11 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes 
21:11 <[dlh]> Weird, there is a unicode character called “Question Exclamation Mark” — ⁈‽
21:11 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft 
21:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:12 <wrtlprnft> there's one that has a ? and ! over each other too
21:12 <[dlh]> Yeah, I just did one of those ><
21:12 <wrtlprnft> would it be a bad idea to use that instead⁈
21:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i only saw the separate one, the other one isn't in dejavu sans mono
21:13 <wrtlprnft> so i only saw a box
21:13 <deja_vu> *.*
21:13 <wrtlprnft> well, sorry
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it's the name of the font
21:17 <Vanhayes> hmm I really dont think that making there server be able to hold 20 people was a good idea for wpn
21:17 <luke-jr_> use Console B
21:17 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: is it full?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
21:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Wild West - Sumo (Bugfarm) (9 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (8 players) || sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] (8 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (7 players) || basementUnderground.net (5 players) || Fortress (This could be your server!) (5 players) || basementUnderground.net (5 players) || Bugfarm (1 more message)
21:18 <spidey> joe?
21:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah
21:20 <DrJoeTron> fuck i need screws
21:20 <DrJoeTron> i just had a whole bag of pc screws
21:21 <Vanhayes> no but I get huge lag when it is 16 max wiht 20 it isnt going to be good at all
21:21 <spidey> mm
21:21 <spidey> my server could support 20+ ;D
21:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the server list is kinda boring right now...
21:22 <Vanhayes> well since it is in north america id be fine with that
21:22 <Vanhayes> ctf sty
21:22 <wrtlprnft> CTWF is full, i played ctf sty for a while and i think it's kinda boring, and then there's a couple of wannabe bugfarm servers
21:23 <Vanhayes> hmm ctf sty has changed some since yesturday
21:24 <Your_mom_arma> #google interobang
21:24 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.63 seconds: 20 Below in MaineToday.com | Rock-Off 21: <http://20below.mainetoday.com/show/rockoff/interobanginterview.shtml>; INTEROBANG : Hi There: <http://www.freewebs.com/interobang/>; INTEROBANG : Hi There: <http://www.freewebs.com/interobang/info.htm>; CBS | Late Show with David Letterman : Wahoo Gazette: (2 more messages)
21:24 <Vanhayes> alot more like fortress
21:24 <Your_mom_arma> think i spelled that wrong
21:25 <Your_mom_arma> its a combo of a questionmark and an explination point
21:25 <Your_mom_arma> #google wiki interrobang
21:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.45 seconds: Interrobang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang>; Image: Interrobang .svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Interrobang.svg>; interrobang - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/interrobang>; Interrobang - Wiki Gonzalez: <http://digamma.net/btfwiki/Interrobang>; Interrobang - (2 more messages)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> I think i should bind a few of those chars to keys using xmodmap if possible
21:29 <wrtlprnft> a key for &hellip; or &ndash; or that interrothingy would be helpful :)
21:30 <luke-jr_> if two OS use the same CHOST, their binaries should be compatible, right? o.O
21:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, a windows binary won't run on a linux machine
21:31 <wrtlprnft> unless you use some extra tools like wine
21:31 <luke-jr_> CHOST
21:32 <luke-jr_> a Windows CHOST never matches a Linux CHOST
21:32 <luke-jr_> nor does a Linux CHOST match a BSD CHOST AFAIK
21:32 <wrtlprnft> there's things like -march
21:33 <luke-jr_> true...
21:33 <luke-jr_> I was thinking along the lines of "do I need a seperate compiler" =p
21:33 <wrtlprnft> if you compile something with -march=pentium-m and want to run it on a machine that's pre- pentium4 it won't work
21:33 <wrtlprnft> use -mcpu then
21:33 <wrtlprnft> at least that's what the gentoo doc sais
21:35 <luke-jr_> yeah, but the same compiler can use -march=pentium-m and not-that
21:37 <wrtlprnft> grr. I hate gentoo sometimes
21:38 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't xev directly come with X11⁈
21:38 <wrtlprnft> annoying to have to emerge it when you need it
21:45 <luke-jr_> um
21:45 <luke-jr_> can we disable anonymous changes to the wiki again?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:46 <luke-jr_> it's too easy to change stuff w/o logging in
21:46 <wrtlprnft> so?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> should be able
21:47 <luke-jr_> so half my commits are anonymous instead of logged in if it stays this way
21:47 <wrtlprnft> there have been many times where i'd have edited a wiki if there wasn't the need to create an account
21:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: then log in.
21:47 <luke-jr_> so put a warning in there that you're anonymous
21:47 <luke-jr_> it's non-obvious
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> use some user CSS to make the user info at the top right corner red, bold, and 5em tall?
21:51 <luke-jr_> that obviously won't work if I'm not logged in =p
21:52 <wrtlprnft> it does
21:52 <wrtlprnft> it'll display "Create an account or log in"
21:52 <DrJoeTron> bah!
21:52 <luke-jr_> note the "user css"
21:52 <DrJoeTron> looks like that ram was really bad
21:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: user css is browser- side
21:53 <wrtlprnft> –
21:53 <wrtlprnft> —
21:53 <[dlh]> …
21:53 <luke-jr_> o
21:53 <luke-jr_> lame =p
21:58 <spidey> lamer
22:09 <wrtlprnft> oh, great. These keysyms are hardcoded!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> so there seems to be no way to make a key for … without hacking X11 and possibly other stuff too
22:11 <luke-jr_> lol
22:12 <wrtlprnft> sucks :(
22:13 <wrtlprnft> there's aliases for all sorts of crappy keys, greek letters, chinese and whatnot, but none for some simple, yet useful chars
22:13 <luke-jr_> lol
22:14 <wrtlprnft> can't xmodmap just accept any utf8 char?!
22:14 <wrtlprnft> very funny.
22:19 <Vanhayes> groundpig: I think your server crashed
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22:20 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: change the map_file stuff to ctfsty wherever it says soccersty
22:21 <Your_mom_arma> and heres the dtd/instructions/server map http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/pig2_roundup.zip
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt add zones to the server map, the coordinates etc for the zones from the map your using now will work
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> map_file Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> forgot different version number
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22:27 -!- groundpig [i=groundpi@rrcs-67-53-6-47.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
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22:28 <groundpig> my net connection went down, i had to power cycle my cable modem to recover
22:29 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i've gotta go, if you let me know where they are i'll give them a try later
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:22:04) Your_mom_arma: and heres the dtd/instructions/server map http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/pig2_roundup.zip
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:24:06) Your_mom_arma: i didnt add zones to the server map, the coordinates etc for the zones from the map your using now will work
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:26:29) Your_mom_arma: map_file Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:26:41) Your_mom_arma: forgot different version number
22:30 <groundpig> thanks!
22:30 <Your_mom_arma> np
22:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: is the no-delete rule really that unreasonable?
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22:53 <DrJoeTron> windows is downloading fast enough :d
22:54 <DrJoeTron> and i still cant find any screws
22:54 <DrJoeTron> but i found my math book! Eh? eh?
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> trying to put the lobster cage together
23:08 <luke-jr_> could get service from me =p
23:09 -!- Niii_ [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
23:10 <DrJoeTron> this is free
23:11 <DrJoeTron> i feel much more accomplished if i do it from the ground up
23:11 -!- Niii_ is now known as Niii
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and again Armagetron-money= 0
23:12 <DrJoeTron> take that back
23:12 <DrJoeTron> i failed math
23:12 <DrJoeTron> armgetron-money= negative money
23:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it is if the cockpit is mere minutes old
23:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: despite that 1) people can have used it within those mere minutes (in this case, 1 had), and 2) no other resource will ever be valid with that same file path ?
23:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: seriously, what's wrong with simply hiding it? =p
23:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: then just silently hide it, don't make a fuss about it
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and someone who uses a cockpit file won't be hurt if it disappears
23:18 <wrtlprnft> he has it in his cache
23:18 <wrtlprnft> other than a map that can be set on a server
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and then suddenly the clients can't find it
23:18 <luke-jr_> true
23:19 <luke-jr_> but we really should let servers force a specific cockpit...
23:19 <luke-jr_> silently hiding works tho ;)
23:19 <luke-jr_> we need some simple way to do hiding... hmm
23:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma doesn
23:19 <luke-jr_> too bad *nix lacks a hidden flag
23:19 <wrtlprnft> 't want the server to foce a cockpit
23:20 <luke-jr_> well the Lucifer_arma can play somewhere else? =p
23:20 <luke-jr_> then*
23:20 <wrtlprnft> or hack his install
23:20 <luke-jr_> that works too
23:20 <luke-jr_> but we already allow forcing cockpits more or less, it's just not resource-ified
23:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:21 <luke-jr_> I guess another option would be to disable/enable cockpit components
23:21 <luke-jr_> like the HUD map can be disabled right now
23:21 <wrtlprnft> already implemented
23:21 <luke-jr_> implemented for all components?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> any data source can be disabled
23:22 <luke-jr_> oh
23:22 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig forbid_cockpit
23:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA: Colon- separated list of cockpit data sources clients aren't allowed to use in the cockpit (default: )
23:22 <wrtlprnft> FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA current_rubber:time_to_impact_front
23:22 <luke-jr_> what happens if rubber is forbidden? gauge disappear or just wrong?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> it shows 0 right now
23:22 <wrtlprnft> it should disappear, true
23:23 <luke-jr_> what if I disabled max rubber but allowed cycle rubber?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> but that raises other issures
23:23 <wrtlprnft> max rubber can't be disabled right now
23:23 <luke-jr_> as a player, I'd want to see cycle rubber at leasyt
23:23 <luke-jr_> o
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it's a config item
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it directly reads CYCLE_RUBBER
23:23 <luke-jr_> which is a data src =p
23:23 <wrtlprnft> everything else can be disabled, though
23:23 <luke-jr_> I'd suggest it disappear only if the 'value' (not min or max) is unavailable
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, what if you have a text field
23:24 <luke-jr_> if min/max is unavailable, just have it automatically raise to the highest/lowest value has been during the game
23:24 <wrtlprnft> say, a table with brake, rubber, and speed, with labels
23:24 <luke-jr_> ah
23:24 <luke-jr_> well, the # could be empty =p
23:24 <wrtlprnft> if rubber is disabled, shall the entire text field disappear?
23:24 <luke-jr_> it wouldn't be *that* bad
23:24 <wrtlprnft> that's what't currently done
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23:25 <luke-jr_> maybe we can add something to disable an XML block if it cannot be evaluated
23:25  * luke-jr_ thinks vValue needs some kind of exception =p
23:25 <wrtlprnft> if the source is disallowed a vValue::Base is generated
23:26 <luke-jr_> erm
23:26 <luke-jr_> what if it's allowed later, after the cockpit is loaded?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit is reloaded every time the setting is changed
23:26 <luke-jr_> oh
23:27 <luke-jr_> why not load it once, and simply use an exception to deny access?
23:27 <wrtlprnft> because that would require more checking each frame
23:27 <wrtlprnft> a vValue::Callback would need to remember the string associated with it too
23:28 <luke-jr_> true
23:28 <luke-jr_> until we do caching of values in general
23:28 <wrtlprnft> as you can't put function pointers into a set for some stupid useless restrictions
23:29 <wrtlprnft> if you could i could just have it check its pointer against that set
23:29 <wrtlprnft> but no, you can't compare function pointers, so they don't fit into sets
23:36 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:36 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!

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