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Log from 2006-08-01:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 01 2006
00:00 <Luke-Jr_> 'Listing of /AATeam' should probably not have the /
00:02 <wrtlprnft> done
00:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: can you regenerate the big images?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> with a marging too?
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> ok
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> now you just need to preview cockpits
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> =p
00:04 <wrtlprnft> not that easy
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> hehe
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> how about hiding non-latest versions?
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> anyway, it's plenty ready for Svn
00:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: how?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> now do i know which one is latest?
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> <.<
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> um, modification date? =p
00:06 <wrtlprnft> pff
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:06 <wrtlprnft> you should have made a better version spec
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> it's not too late
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe define a later version as one that appears later if you sort it numerically
00:07 <wrtlprnft> ie sort -n
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> why not just define the standard multi-integer version spec?
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> eg, 1.* > 0.*
00:08 <wrtlprnft> wait for SVN please
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> 1.14.* > 1.4.*
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> *wait with SVN
00:09 <Luke-Jr_> 3.23.3212 == 3.23.3212.0.0.0.0
00:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: can you set up mod_rewrite so we get clean URIs?
00:14 <Luke-Jr_> mod_rewrite is already there
00:14 <wrtlprnft> i can have a .htaccess?
00:15 <Luke-Jr_> yes
00:15 <wrtlprnft> ok
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/contact   <--- can someone send me an email with this form?
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> has anybody done so?  I haven't received it if they have...
00:18  * Luke-Jr_ will
00:19 <Luke-Jr_> Your message has been sent.
00:23 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: ok, now you can add it to svn
00:23 <wrtlprnft> be sure to modify the .htaccess and .php since they contain paths
00:23 <Luke-Jr_> eh
00:23 <Luke-Jr_> I can? Why not you?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:23 <wrtlprnft> where should i put it to?
00:24 <Luke-Jr_> www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser
00:24 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn mkdir https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> cd /path/where/your/local/copy/is
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser .
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn add .htaccess *
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn commit
00:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> ('svn commit' won't make your local copy into a working dir-- this method will)
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> err, 'svn import'
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5871 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/: Added dir for the online resource browser
00:26 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> BTW, note the ' .' at the end of the checkout command
00:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:29 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> k
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> ugh, I hate stupid tech support drones
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5872 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (.htaccess folder_orange.png preview.php style.css): New online resource browser
00:29 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:30 <wrtlprnft> err
00:30 <wrtlprnft> the dir is still empty
00:30 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/
00:30 <Luke-Jr_> there's a delay
00:31 <Luke-Jr_> you didn't need to commit the png =p
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> thank you luke, I got the email.  So my contact form works.  :)
00:32 <Luke-Jr_> :)
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> yeah, we all just ignored you the first time =p
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> ok, everyone listen up!
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> this is the only chance I'm giving you to tell me this isn't a bug =p
00:33 <wrtlprnft> wow.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> i'm surprised it works
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> With using --with-multislot or whatever, the directories are all called armagetronad-dedicated instead of armagetronad-dedicated-whatever
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: ?
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> so I'm fixing it to use armagetron-dedicated-whatever
00:34 <wrtlprnft> so, i guess tomorrow I'll need to find out how to make the uploader generate previews
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> shouldn't be too hard
00:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: well, there's some vars i had to change
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:35 <wrtlprnft> and i'm surprised i didn't miss any
00:35 <wrtlprnft> paths, mostly
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> o
00:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: and can you please regenerate the 1000x1000 thumbs with a margin?
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> there seems to be a debug thing for the paths
00:36 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: they have been generating since last time you asked
00:36 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
00:36 <Luke-Jr_> it's at 'Previewing ./ed/fortress/mini-0.0.6.aamap.xml (1 of 1)... done
00:36 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:36 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/crazy <-- i still like these
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> what makes the spawns so big?
00:37 <nemostultae> hmmm... new spawn arrow resizing logic is needed...
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: it's a 10x10 map
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> ah
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:38 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to be scaled up via SIZE_FACTOR
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> nemostultae: hope you don't mind I touched your code... o.o
00:38 <wrtlprnft> or 15x15, something like that
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: makes sense
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> should probably draw walls over the arrows
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5873 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed some w3 compatibility
00:38 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:39 <Luke-Jr_> nemostultae: when do we get a cockpit preview generator? =p
00:39 <nemostultae> hmm.. I'll leave that for someone else :)
00:39  * Luke-Jr_ writes it in brackf**k
00:39 <Luke-Jr_> brain*
00:40 <nemostultae> http://jonripley.com/brainfuck/cgi/cgi_example1.b ><
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5874 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php style.css): More compatibility and the browser is now an unordered list
00:42 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ...
00:43 <wrtlprnft> taking forever
00:43 <wrtlprnft> why does there have to be a delay? :S
00:43 <Luke-Jr_> ssh is slow?
00:43 <Luke-Jr_> =p
00:44 <wrtlprnft> just for an update script?
00:44 <wrtlprnft> my changes are still not in effect
00:44 <Luke-Jr_> Luci's server SSHs to hachi, which Svn HTTPS with SF
00:44 <wrtlprnft> still nothing
00:44 <Luke-Jr_> blame luci's server? =p
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, it runs in nohup, so it may not actually run.  armabot can't check the return value of the command because of that
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> solution: change the command execution to run in a thread and use a different process method, one that lets us get the return value of the command
00:46 <wrtlprnft> anyways, won't update
00:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5875 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: the links are now display:block again
00:47 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:47 <wrtlprnft> yay
00:47 <wrtlprnft> now it updated
00:47 <wrtlprnft> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft :)
00:52 <Luke-Jr_> ;P
00:52 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: what's the license of that image?
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> LGPL-2
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> according to the ebuild anyhow
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> (yes, there is an ebuild for a set of icons)
00:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: how would I refer to the author in this case?
00:57 <wrtlprnft> a comment in the HTML?
00:58 <wrtlprnft> and i just changed it btw to display correctly in IE :P
00:59 <Luke-Jr_> refer to the author?
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5876 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (folder_orange.png preview.php): Changed the background of the image to make it appear right in IE and added a cocpyright note as a comment into the generated HTML
01:03 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
01:03 <Luke-Jr_> refer to the author? why?
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01:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: since it's LGPL?
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> so?
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> LGPL doesn't have an advertisement clause
01:04 <madmax|pt> Lackadaisical, good matches today :D
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> GPL doesn't, anyway... doubt LGPL does
01:04 <wrtlprnft> whatever, who cares
01:04 <wrtlprnft> better safe
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> though
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> technically, I think you need to link the source =p
01:04 <wrtlprnft> and it didn't update again
01:05 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
01:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
01:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: i did
01:05 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
01:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
01:05 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes :) finally got out of my rut i think
01:05 <madmax|pt> its fun to have our def constantly attacked
01:05 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
01:05 <Luke-Jr_> ROFL
01:06 <madmax|pt> pressure is good practice :D
01:06 <armabot> armagetronad: /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ fake commit for the update script
01:06 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
01:06 <CIA-1234> now it updated
01:06 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
01:07 <Luke-Jr_> hehe
01:07 <wrtlprnft> now it works with IE too
01:07 <madmax|pt> wait, what's "rut"?
01:08 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:08 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:08 <madmax|pt> is it what google told me?
01:10 <madmax|pt> "is a general term that refers to the breeding period of mammals"
01:11 <Lackadaisical> um.. i think i used it wrong, but i was referring to: "In a settled or established habit or course of action, especially a boring one."
01:11 <Lackadaisical> a settled and monotonous routine that is hard to escape
01:12 <madmax|pt> never heard that word ><
01:12 <madmax|pt> makes sense
01:14 <madmax|pt> did anyone actually challenged you to a sumo match Lack?
01:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5877 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/acinclude.m4: Append progdir_suffix to aa_* paths as it is supposed to be
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5878 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/acinclude.m4: Append progdir_suffix to aa_* paths as it is supposed to be
01:15 <Luke-Jr_> hm
01:16 <Luke-Jr_> I probably shouldn't have done that twice... :o
01:16 <Lackadaisical> no :( except for hay lin who really just entered 1v1 sumo when i was there
01:18 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: hey... why are you removed in Svn 0.2.8?
01:18 <Luke-Jr_> from AUTHORS
01:21 <madmax|pt> well, good night
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01:38 <Luke-Jr_> um
01:38 <Luke-Jr_> why doesn't branches/0.2.8 compile?
01:43 <Luke-Jr_> nm, debian likes automake 1.4
03:21 <Vanhayes> #f
03:21 <armabot> Random Fortune: Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks? || -- Homer Simpson || Homer the Great
03:21 <Vanhayes> #list alias
03:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:22 <Vanhayes> #q
03:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
03:22 <DrJoeTron> #q
03:22 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
03:22 <Vanhayes> heh
03:23 <Vanhayes> #insight
03:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: The insidious threat of family values will enslave all of our World Wide Web.
03:28 <Vanhayes> #q
03:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
03:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:28 <Vanhayes> #q
03:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
03:30 <Vanhayes> #list quote
03:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
03:30 <Vanhayes> #quote stats
03:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: There are 16 quotes in my database.
03:31 <Vanhayes> #get 1
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: The command "get" is available in the Herald, Praise, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
03:31 <Vanhayes> #quote get 1
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:37 PM, March 23, 2006)
03:34 <spidey> hmm
03:34 <spidey> this is sweet
03:34 <spidey> in windowsxp you can use a html as your background
03:34 <spidey> meaning including links and stuff
03:35 <Vanhayes> ya, but what would be the use of it?
03:36 <spidey> easy to access commonly use apps
03:36 <spidey> clicking a link and being at the website
03:36 <spidey> without opening a browser and looking for the link
03:36 <spidey> i'ma install php and use scripts to
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04:05 <spidey> i am 6087 days 20 hours and 5 minutes old :D
04:06 <Vanhayes> #g 6087/365
04:06 <armabot> 6,087 / 365 = 16.6767123
04:07 <Vanhayes> #list time
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
04:07 <spidey> :D
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help ctime
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (ctime [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the ctime for <seconds since epoch>, or the current ctime if no <seconds since epoch> is given.
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help elasped
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "elasped".
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help elapsed
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 10
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 10 seconds
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 1 min
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 1 
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1 second
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04:08 <Vanhayes> wtf is the use of that?
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 25
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 25 seconds
04:08 <Vanhayes> #HELP SECONDS
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (seconds [<years>y] [<weeks>w] [<days>d] [<hours>h] [<minutes>m] [<seconds>s]) -- Returns the number of seconds in the number of <years>, <weeks>, <days>, <hours>, <minutes>, and <seconds> given. An example usage is "seconds 2h 30m", which would return 9000, which is '3600*2 + 30*60'. Useful for scheduling events at a given number of seconds in the future.
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04:09 <Vanhayes> #seconds 6087d 20h 5m
04:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: 525989100
04:10 <Vanhayes> lol spidey you are 525989100 many seconds old
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in minutes
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 8,766,485 minutes
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in hours
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 146,108.083 hours
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in days
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 6,087.83681 days
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in weeks
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 869.690972 weeks
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in months
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 200.015338 months
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in decades
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 1.66679448 decades
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in eons
04:11 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:11 <Vanhayes> didnt think so
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g  525989100 seconds in millenium
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 0.0166679448 millenium
04:12 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in days
04:12 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 6,513.48588 days
04:12 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in days and minutes
04:12 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in minutes
04:13 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 9,379,419.66 minutes
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in miliseconds
04:13 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #check miliseconds
04:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "miliseconds": milliseconds, millisecond's, and millisecond.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in milliseconds
04:13 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 5.6276518 &#215; 10^(11) milliseconds
04:13 <Vanhayes> heh
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 6,513.48588 -6,087.83681
04:16 <armabot> 6,513.48588 - 6,087.83681 = 425.64907
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 425.64907 in years
04:16 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 425.64907seconds  in years
04:16 <armabot> 425.64907 seconds = 1.34882932 &#215; 10^(-5) years
04:18 <Vanhayes> #help g
04:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*]".
04:18 <Vanhayes> #help google calc
04:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
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04:51 <spidey> toyko drift owns
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06:47 <TitsnAss> luke
06:50 <spidey> ew
06:51 <TitsnAss> shut up spidey
06:51 <spidey> nah
06:54 <TitsnAss> wat?
06:54 <TitsnAss> why do you always have to be a fag?
06:54 <spidey> could ask you the same
06:54 <spidey> :)
06:55 <TitsnAss> rofl
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07:25 <TitsnAss> yo
07:25 <TitsnAss> wheres lukee
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07:25 <TitsnAss> :>
07:25 <TitsnAss> :<
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07:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I am? O_o
07:53 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:53 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Insufficient facts always invite danger. || -- Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9
07:54 <wrtlprnft> am not.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/AUTHORS?revision=4653&view=markup
07:54 <wrtlprnft>    13 Mathias Plichta     wrtlprnft
08:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the version spec needs reworking :(
08:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: as of now you don't know if author/some-map-1-2.aamap.xml is "some-map" version "1-2" or "some-map-1" version "2"...
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/93  <--- does my picture show for any of you guys?
08:17 <spidey> anyone know anything about movies?
08:17 <spidey> avi mostly
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> ask luke, he knows everything
08:17 <spidey> hahah
08:18 <spidey> as much as i liked that
08:18 <spidey> i'll have to pass ;D
08:18 <spidey> i think it's a currupt copy
08:18 <spidey> but may be my div3 codecs
08:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5879 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added output of map settings to detail pages.
08:19 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:19 <spidey> lemme note
08:20 <spidey> don't download movies that say "very good quality"
08:20 <spidey> because they usually suck
08:20 <spidey> and are currupt
08:20 <spidey> so download the ones that say "shit quality >.<
08:21 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5880 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added missing handler for endElement
08:21 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I need a blue screen :(
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> hey, now that my wife's cleaned out the garage, maybe I can make one in there :)
08:22 <spidey> LOL
08:23 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5881 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: whoops, forgot a closing table tag
08:23 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:23 <wrtlprnft> that's what i hate about this svn way
08:23 <wrtlprnft> a commit for every small change, and i can't really test locally
08:24 <spidey> http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/626/ownedum4.jpg
08:24 <spidey> and yes those links at the top actually work
08:24  * spidey loves that you can set a html as the background
08:24 <spidey> x
08:24 <spidey> ;x
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> wow spidey, that desktop almost looks good
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> too bad it's got all that XP junk on it
08:26 <spidey> ;x
08:26 <spidey> actually
08:26 <spidey> that's my next step
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> taking off XP and putting LInux?
08:26 <spidey> i'll do it tomorrow
08:26 <spidey> no
08:26 <spidey> linux goes on a 30 gig partition
08:26 <spidey> when i feel like making it
08:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5882 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Made thumbnail alt texts give out a bit less information about the internal server structrure
08:27 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:27  * Lucifer_arma thinks he should dedicate 20 minutes a week to working on his site's css file
08:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the preview map browser now is a real reason to upload your resources to the repository
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> ?  I care?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> should, if you want people finding and using your maps
08:37 <wrtlprnft> #later tell nemo* http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml <-- that a bug of the resource previewer?
08:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:41  * Lucifer_arma notes he doesn't have a server anymore, and when he did, he used his own server for his maps
08:42 <wrtlprnft> well
08:42 <wrtlprnft> if you still have the maps now would be a perfect time to add them
08:42 <wrtlprnft> so others can use them
08:43 <wrtlprnft> weren't you the one who complained about the missing sharing mentality in here?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> they would still go on my server
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, the people who authored the maps can do whatever they want with them, always have been able to do that
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, there's a thread in the Breakfast forum that contains all the maps I've ever run, except for the most recent
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't write most of the maps my server's run, they came from people who played on my server
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what I didn't say when I said I ws going to bring the sound engine to a certain milestone and then reevaluate my involvement here was that in the meantime,
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm cutting 99% of my involvement
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm going to work on the sound engine, and if someone says "hey, we need an admin here" I'll jump in, otherwise, I'm doing other things
08:49 <wrtlprnft> :S
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I would say there's a 60% probability someone will respond to a post of mine on the forums in the next 6 months and say "They all come back"
09:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5883 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: The uploader should now generate previews.
09:02 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5884 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: fixed parser errors
09:06 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:06 <wrtlprnft> gah
09:07 <wrtlprnft> looks like the suid bit disappeared
09:08 <wrtlprnft> -rw-r--r-- 1 armagetronad armagetronad 8439 Aug  1 07:07 /var/www/armagetron/beta/htdocs/add-resource/upload.suid-php
09:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can you fix it please? ;)
09:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
09:12 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:12 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | Happy Swiss National Day!
09:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
09:13 <wrtlprnft> nothing more about blaming Luke-Jr? aww.
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09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning everyone
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> Bottle Rockets is considered "alternative", but Overkill is listed under "blues"
09:44  * Lucifer_arma thinks his mp3 collection needs serious reorganizing
09:44  * Lucifer_arma thinks the reason there's "Black Metal", "Death Metal", "Thrash Metal", etc, is so some metalheads can say they like more than just metal.
10:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5885 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: Changed folder icon, it now shows a sumo map on the sheet of paper in it
10:03 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:03 <wrtlprnft> argh
10:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: Argh, forgot to crop the image again (i had it on a bigger canvas while editing)
10:04 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:05 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: fake commit, the updater didn't work (again)
10:05 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:06 <CIA-1234> ...
10:06 <CIA-1234> still won't work
10:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: fake commit, the updater didn't work (again, another time)
10:07 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:07 <CIA-1234> wtf...
10:08  * CIA-1234 gives up
10:08 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind if i add a command #exechandler so you can execute existing handlers manually?
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind at all
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> beats the hell out of running the revision number up
10:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the last two weren't actual commits
10:11 <wrtlprnft> i just went into #commits and wrote them
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh right, because armabot doesn't filter on hostmask yet
10:11 <spidey> gimme ideas for a domain name >.<
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, davefancella.com is taken, so you can't have it
10:11 <spidey> haha
10:12 <wrtlprnft> i-suck-ass-because-im-spidey.org?
10:12 <spidey> hmm
10:12 <spidey> i think i'll register wrtlprnft-sucks-donkey-nuts.cc
10:22 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #reload CIA
10:22 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5887 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: New command exechandler executes a handler manually.
10:22 <armabot>  Executed 'armabotupdater'
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #list plugin
10:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'plugin' is not a valid plugin.
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> sure took awhile
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #list CIA
10:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:23 <wrtlprnft> wtf
10:23 <wrtlprnft> my new command is missing :S
10:25 <spidey> i love my desktop ;x
10:25 <spidey> now to install php and use it instead of javascript
10:25 <spidey> hmm
10:26 <spidey> maybe i'll disable the system bar
10:26 <spidey> and make one
10:26 <spidey> that'd own
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #reload CIA
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:26 <spidey> #unload wrtlprnft
10:26 <wrtlprnft> ack
10:26 <armabot> spidey: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:26 <spidey> :/
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not yet, the commit message went amiss
10:26 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:27 <CIA-1234> uh, i think i broke it
10:27 <CIA-1234> it doesn't show anything anymor
10:27 <CIA-1234> e
10:28 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:28 <wrtlprnft> i guess you need to take a look at it Lucifer_arma :( I'm not a python guy
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i might have broken the part that checks with handlers should be executedc
10:31 <wrtlprnft> since I had to factor the executing part into its own function
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #runhandler
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (runhandler <shortname>) -- Executes the handler given by shortname manually.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #runhandler commitnotify
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler armabotupdate
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdate not found.  Sorry.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler armabotupdater
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> the problem was that you named the method "exechandler", and "execHandler" was already taken
10:32 <wrtlprnft> it isn't case sensitive?
10:33 <wrtlprnft> darn you python
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
10:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm, let me fix that
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's weird where method names aren't case sensitive but everything else is
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, svn update and continue :)
10:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you do svn update for the bot again?
10:35 <wrtlprnft> and reload
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> #reload
10:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (reload <plugin>) -- Unloads and subsequently reloads the plugin by name; use the 'list' command to see a list of the currently loaded plugins.
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdater
10:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdater not found.  Sorry.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:36 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, can you post the error? ;)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/utils/python.py", line 62, in g
10:36 <Lucifer_arma>     f(self, *args, **kwargs)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/callbacks.py", line 1156, in callCommand
10:36 <Lucifer_arma>     method(irc, msg, *args, **kwargs)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/commands.py", line 906, in newf
10:37 <Lucifer_arma>     f(self, irc, msg, args, *state.args, **state.kwargs)
10:37 <Lucifer_arma>   File "/home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins/CIA/plugin.py", line 103, in runhandler
10:37 <Lucifer_arma>     execHandler(irc, shortname)
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> self.execHandler!
10:37 <wrtlprnft> i NEED to do self.*?
10:37 <wrtlprnft> gah
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> just like php wants you to do $this->
10:38  * Lucifer_arma has grown to prefer that over C++'s hopelessly confusing way
10:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: svn update again :S
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:39 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:39 <wrtlprnft> x_x
10:39 <Lucifer_arma>     self.execHandler(irc, shortname)
10:39 <Lucifer_arma>   File "/home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins/CIA/plugin.py", line 166, in execHandler
10:39 <Lucifer_arma>     responseString = str(self.actions[shortname][2]).replace("$message", text)
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> NameError: global name 'text' is not defined
10:40 <wrtlprnft> ack
10:41 <wrtlprnft> next time I'll reincarnate wrtlbot again :s
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to bed soon, so you'll probably need to do that anyway
10:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, let's do another try...
10:43 <wrtlprnft> update and reload please :S
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:44 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:44 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
10:44 <wrtlprnft> !
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> that sure returned quick
10:45 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:45 <CIA-1234> armagetronad:  armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5887
10:45 <CIA-1234> ack
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrong channel
10:45 <armabot> armagetronad: /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: test
10:45 <armabot>  Executed 'armabotupdater'
10:45 <CIA-1234> YES!
10:45 <CIA-1234> ok, thanks
10:46 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> you sure it actually works?
10:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
10:46 <wrtlprnft> it updated aabeta, anyways
10:46 <wrtlprnft> look at http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/folder_orange.png
10:47 <wrtlprnft> it's cropped now and wasn't before
10:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5893 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Should print the number of axes on the detail page now.
10:52 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5894 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: fixed call to undefined function
10:53 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5895 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added hilighted source to detail pages
11:14 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:17 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5896 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hmm, hilighting isn't that effective... reveted to just printing the contents unhilighted.
11:17 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:18 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
11:18 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
11:20 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5897 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Some more stylesheet goodness
11:20 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:24 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5898 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Again more styles.
11:24 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5899 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Waaaay less padding
11:25 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:50 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5900 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added resource tag information to the detail page and links to other versions of the same file.
11:50 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5901 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed HTML mistake
11:52 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5902 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php style.css): fixed styles, they were applied to the wrong list
11:53 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
11:53 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5903 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed typo: '-' instead of '.'
11:55 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:55 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i think I'm happy with it :)
12:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5904 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Opps, forgot a slash. It still worked, but made inefficient use of the browser cache.
12:00 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/   <--- ok, go check it out now, lots of work done.  :)  No new content, though.
12:16 <wrtlprnft> looks nice
12:17  * wrtlprnft clicks on a few google ads
12:17 <wrtlprnft> there's ads for boks by douglas adams in there :S
12:18 <wrtlprnft> i wonder what got google to put them there ;)
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably the banner I was running for a while for Towel Day :)
12:29 <wrtlprnft> aaah
12:30 <wrtlprnft> then it makes sense
12:30 <wrtlprnft> interestingly i see german ads
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> google checks country now
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> I get ads for stuff here in Austin on other sites (the adsense module I'm using now hides google ads from me so I don't get false impressions while viewing my own site)
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, maybe after my test tomorrow I'll start the store pages.  I've got a cafepress store, never sold anything, and I think I haven't sold anything because I haven't tried.
12:37  * Lucifer_arma is going to bed, 'night
12:37  * wrtlprnft doesn't have a credit card
12:37 <wrtlprnft> night
12:37  * wrtlprnft hates darn US- american sites you can't order anything from without one of these plastic things
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_width
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_WIDTH: The width of the cycle collision object. It can only squeeze through tunnels wider than that without taking harm. (default: 0) || CYCLE_WIDTH_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX: If the cycle_width conditions are massively violated, use up this much rubber.If set to 1, the rubber usage rate is the same as if you were sitting in (2 more messages)
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #more
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #more
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: front of a wall. (default: 1) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_rubber_max_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MIN: If the cycle_width conditions are barely violated, use up this much rubber.If set to 1, the rubber usage rate is the same as if you were sitting in front of a wall. (default: 1) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MIN_OVERRIDE: (1 more message)
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cycle_width_rubber_min_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_SIDE: Minimum distance of a cycle to a wall on either side before it takes harm. (default: 0) || CYCLE_WIDTH_SIDE_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_side_override_help (default: 3)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> there's more config to that than i thought
12:58 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_delay_do
12:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_help (default: 1) || CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS_OVERRIDE: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_override_help (default: 3)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> ack, helpstrings still missing
13:41 <spidey> when will people learn
13:41 <spidey> there's a way to wake someone up in the morning
13:41 <spidey> yelling there name over and over in a annoying voice
13:41 <spidey> isn't one
13:52  * wrtlprnft yells spidey's name over and over in an annoying voice
13:52 <spidey> i'll tell you like i told her
13:52 <wrtlprnft> spiiideeey! spiiiiiideeeyyyyy! SPIDEY! WAKE UP!
13:52 <spidey> shut the fuck up
13:52 <spidey> ;x
13:54 <spidey> what's javas exec(); ?
13:58 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=1479 lol
14:12 <spidey> maybe i shouldn't read the tron forums ;D
14:13 <spidey> i'm so tempted to "attack" scope
14:13 <spidey> ;x
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14:18 <mathot> ?
14:19 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:19 <linuxlizzard> ?
14:19 <mathot> :-)
14:19 <linuxlizzard> X)
14:19 <mathot> My usb drive crahed today
14:19 <mathot> *crashed
14:19 <mathot> I was about to make a backup :(
14:20 <linuxlizzard> heh
14:20 <mathot> I save everything on it (or I used to).
14:21  * mathot wonders how to change his quit message
14:21 <linuxlizzard> well if your in xchat the settings menu :P
14:22 <linuxlizzard> or you could just do /quit your message here
14:22 <mathot> wrtlprnft says it contains an add
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14:23 <linuxlizzard> I see, yes it does
14:24 <mathot> oops I typed / quit
14:24 <mathot> s:-D
14:24 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:24 <mathot> no idea where that comes from
14:24  * mathot is a IRC noob
14:24 <wrtlprnft> mathot: change your quit message :S
14:24 <mathot> *an
14:24 <linuxlizzard> I think he's trying :P
14:24 <mathot> no idea how
14:24  * wrtlprnft hates IRC clients that put ads to where users can't see them
14:25 <mathot> maybe i can, but I just do not know
14:25 <wrtlprnft> it's somewhere in the account settings
14:25 <mathot> what does it say?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> i used gaim on windows once
14:26 <wrtlprnft> i don't have gaim on this machine, sorry
14:26 <mathot> but what is the message you see, then it is easyer to look it up for me
14:26 <spidey> Quits: mathot (n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl) ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
14:26 <spidey> [07:24] ���� ( � ) Joins: mathot (n=math
14:27 <mathot> got it I think
14:27 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:27 <linuxlizzard> erm notr really...
14:27 <linuxlizzard> at least that last time you quit
14:28 <mathot> I quit again, to try
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14:28 <wrtlprnft> yay
14:28 <linuxlizzard> w00t
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14:28 <linuxlizzard> he did the second time
14:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ���� ( � ) Parts: mathot (n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl)
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ( wrtlprnft ) +yay
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ( linuxlizzard ) +w00t
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ���� ( � ) Quits: wrtlprnft (n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240) ["wussed out and left"]
14:29 <spidey> mat's didn't change yet ;p
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14:29 <linuxlizzard> ah
14:29 <spidey> he used /part instead of /quit
14:29 <mathot> better?
14:29 <mathot> oops
14:29 <mathot> ok once more
14:29 <spidey> :p
14:29 -!- mathot [n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["I'm off, cu :-)"]
14:29 <linuxlizzard> there we go
14:29 <spidey> there ya go ;x
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14:29 <mathot> better?
14:29 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:30 <spidey> ya
14:30 <mathot> Ok :-)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> 14:29 -!- mathot [n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["I'm off, cu :-)"]
14:30 <mathot> never looked at those setting b4
14:30 <spidey> i have a ton of movies to watch
14:30 <spidey> but don't feel like watching them
14:30 <mathot> lol
14:30 <spidey> i downloaded 9.45 gigs worth
14:31 <spidey> >.<
14:31 <mathot> I have none, and I don't feel like watching movies either
14:31 <mathot> :P
14:31 <spidey> i have
14:31 <spidey> sec
14:31 <wrtlprnft> find / -name '*.wmv' -exec rm -f {} \;
14:31 <spidey> i have 80
14:31 <spidey> snf 5 downloading
14:32 <spidey> wrtlprnft that won't do any good
14:32 <spidey> all my movies are .avi
14:32 <spidey> ;x
14:32 <mathot> "find / -name '*.wmv' -exec rm -f {} \;" ?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> well, at least not .wmv bs
14:32 <wrtlprnft> mathot: unix command
14:32 <mathot> ok thx
14:32 <wrtlprnft> removes all files ending in .wmv
14:32 <spidey> hmm
14:32 <mathot> lol
14:32 <mathot> rm
14:32 <spidey> i think i'll make a debian partition now
14:33 <spidey> since i'm in a bad mood i'll take it out on my harddrive
14:33 <mathot> I was thinking about IRC command
14:34  * mathot is still on windows allthough he hates it (soemtimes)
14:34 <mathot> *some
14:34 <spidey> i don't hate it or dislike it
14:34 <wrtlprnft> try to compile arma on it and you'll hate it more
14:34 <spidey> but i prefer linux if it ran my games >.<
14:35 <mathot> I would prefer Linux if it ran on my hardware and ran my other sofware
14:35  * wrtlprnft hopes ph will come home from work soon
14:35 <spidey> it will
14:35 <spidey> use wine aslong as it's not a game
14:35 <wrtlprnft> i want him to stop the trunk from crashing all the time :S
14:35 <spidey> rumor is the new release of wine will run hl2 and someother game perfectly
14:36 <spidey> but that doesn't mean it'll run all games good
14:36 <spidey> so i'll test first :>
14:36 <mathot> I never play games (well only arma :P )
14:36 <wrtlprnft> it's mostly directx that you can't use without the help of some other commerical software
14:36 <wrtlprnft> wine runs arma just fine
14:36 <wrtlprnft> you just can't run the dedicated sever on it
14:36 <linuxlizzard> cept why would you want to ;)
14:36 <mathot> lol
14:37 <spidey> um
14:37 <spidey> i got a question
14:37 <mathot> ok
14:37 <wrtlprnft> oh, that was part of some crosscompiling experiment
14:37 <spidey> why run arma on wine? :D
14:37 <spidey> oh
14:37 <mathot> lol\
14:37 <wrtlprnft> we wanted to compile a windows version of arma from a linux machine
14:37 <spidey> ah
14:37 <wrtlprnft> and we had no windows machine, so how would we test if the exe actually works?
14:38 <mathot> good reason
14:38 <wrtlprnft> we still didn't get the client to run tho
14:38  * spidey has a windows box with vnc and rdp all you gotta do is ask for the password ;x
14:38 <spidey> it runs two servers and usually does nothing
14:38 <wrtlprnft> the server runs on wine, but won't accept connections, it runs fine on native windows
14:38 <spidey> hmm
14:39  * wrtlprnft doesn't have a vnc client
14:39 <spidey> you probably do
14:39 <spidey> kde menu > internet > connection > remote desktop
14:39  * wrtlprnft thinks vnc is something for people who don't have the goodness of x11
14:39 <spidey> vnc:/ip
14:39 <linuxlizzard> eeww kde
14:40 <spidey> what's x11 and accessing a remote computer got to do with anything?
14:40 <wrtlprnft> ewwwwww gnome/gtk/whatever gs
14:40 <wrtlprnft> *bs
14:40 <spidey> fluxbox owns them all
14:40 <linuxlizzard> hells ya
14:40 <wrtlprnft> you use ssh and forward X11
14:40 <spidey> .....
14:40 <spidey> you said
14:40 <linuxlizzard> how can you hate gtk for its clean librarys
14:41 <spidey> "we didn't have a windows box to test on"
14:41 <spidey> i said "i got a spare one with vnc"
14:41 <spidey> you're off topic man!
14:41 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:41 <mathot> lol 
14:41 <linuxlizzard> ok fine
14:41 <wrtlprnft> gtk looks stupid, isn't any faster than qt, and has a stupid API
14:41 <linuxlizzard> would ssh work with ncurses...
14:41 <wrtlprnft> sure
14:41 <linuxlizzard> looks stupid? ha
14:41 <linuxlizzard> thats gewd
14:42 <wrtlprnft> cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig works anyways
14:42 <spidey> i hope microsoft can make vista more stable and less resource demanding
14:42 <linuxlizzard> I see
14:42 <spidey> it'll be the perfect os for someone like me
14:42 <spidey> it has a unix subsystem ;x
14:42 <wrtlprnft> i hope bush can make the world more peaceful and have less problems
14:42 <linuxlizzard> about time
14:43 <linuxlizzard> haha
14:43 <mathot> <off topic>any of you experience with recovering data from a crashed usb drive? Would restoring the mbr help? (it seems unformatted suddenly)
14:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft isn't that what he's doing?
14:43 <wrtlprnft> no clue, sorry
14:43 <mathot> np
14:43 <spidey> mathot format it
14:43 <mathot> But I would like to recover the data
14:43 <spidey> then, if you're ok with pirated software, get a data recovery app
14:43 <wrtlprnft> use a big magnet to enhance the magnetic readout on it
14:44 <spidey> haha
14:44 <mathot> lol
14:44 <mathot> Ok, I tried the big magnet, but ...
14:44 <spidey> !?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> >.<
14:44 <spidey> that'll whipe a drive >.<
14:44 <mathot> Not an usb drive I think
14:44 <wrtlprnft> <.>
14:44 <spidey> .....
14:44 <mathot> Not that it helps
14:45 <wrtlprnft> v.v
14:45 <wrtlprnft> ^.^
14:45 <spidey> they're made basically the same
14:45 <mathot> i mean,
14:45 <spidey> only usb uses usb to connect to the computer
14:45 <spidey> ide uses ide, besides that they're the same
14:45 <mathot> Well it's usb, but it is not a normal drive
14:45 <mathot> not sure the English name
14:45 <spidey> ?
14:46 <mathot> It's an USB stick?
14:46 <spidey> oh
14:46 <spidey> flash memory?
14:46 <mathot> It's not magnetic
14:46 <mathot> Yep
14:46 <mathot> I think so anyway
14:46 <wrtlprnft> ack
14:46 <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:46 <wrtlprnft> if it's a stick it's flash
14:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:46 <spidey> ya ya
14:47 <spidey> i'm still tired
14:47 <mathot> So I should call it a flash drive?
14:47 <spidey> no
14:47 <spidey> call it flash memory
14:47 <mathot> Ok, thx
14:47 <mathot> Flash memory, flash memory, flash memory
14:47 <wrtlprnft> call it a usb stick and everyone will know what you mean
14:48 <spidey> [05:47] ( wrtlprnft ) +spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:48 <mathot> ?ot everybody
14:48 <spidey> where the hell you get that from?
14:48 <spidey> [05:47] ( spidey ) flash memory?
14:48 <spidey> that's all i said
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 14:46 <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 14:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:48 <mathot> Whatever I say, I am sure not "everyone will know ..." :P
14:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft
14:49 <spidey> i don't see where i said that
14:49 <wrtlprnft> spidey
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --from spidey --with "then it's not a drive"
14:50 <mathot> Well, it is a stick and it is memory. :P
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:47:55] <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:50 <spidey> pwn
14:50 <wrtlprnft> call it a memory stick :P
14:50 <spidey> i did!!!!
14:50 <mathot> Ok :-)
14:50 <spidey> [05:47] ( spidey ) flash memory?
14:50 <spidey> i never said flashdrive
14:50 <spidey> or either i'm going blind
14:50 <spidey> >.<
14:51 <mathot> You just said it spidey :P
14:51 <spidey> :/
14:51 <wrtlprnft> "device using some fancy nonmechanic and nonmagnetic technology to store large numbers of bits, acceeible via an universal serial bus"
14:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft pastebin
14:51 <mathot> "i never said flashdrive"
14:51 <wrtlprnft> i should get a patent on that
14:51 <mathot> b4
14:51 <wrtlprnft> mathot: i know
14:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you said it's not a drive then
14:52 <wrtlprnft> i said it's a flashDRIVE
14:52 <spidey> gtrrrr
14:52 <spidey> i'm going back to bed
14:52 <wrtlprnft> good
14:52 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:52 <spidey> ok
14:52 <spidey> for that comment
14:52 <spidey> i'm staying up
14:52 <mathot> lol
14:52 <wrtlprnft> x_x
14:52 <wrtlprnft> good
14:53 <spidey> not gonna work
14:53 <spidey> ;x
14:53  * mathot is confused now though :P
14:53 <spidey> ok
14:53 <spidey> a "flash drive" is a stick
14:54 <spidey> a external harddrive is a harddrive in a case
14:54 <spidey> flash drives are like big pins
14:54 <mathot> Ok ok
14:54 <spidey> well
14:54 <spidey> huge pins
14:54 <spidey> but ohwell
14:54 <mathot> I got a flahs drive then
14:54 <mathot> *flash
14:55 <mathot> (I know hwat it all is, just not what it is called in English)
14:55 <mathot> Not even in Dutch :P
14:56 <spidey> ok
14:56 <spidey> just so you know
14:56 <spidey> anytime you're wondering about something like that
14:57 <mathot> Yeah, thx for that
14:57 <spidey> don't ask Luke-Jr he'll only confuse you
14:57 <spidey> ;D
14:57 <mathot> lol
14:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr will only tell you flash drives are obsolete and will be replaced by his allround wonder tCode :P
14:58 <spidey> haha
14:58 <mathot> :-)
14:58 <mathot> Everything is obsolete ;-)
14:58 <spidey> #Luke-Jr what is a flash drive
14:59 <spidey> we need a plugin like that that responds with some bullshit ;D
14:59 <mathot> Unless the universe is finite of course.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> don't wakespam him too much or he won't read the wakes i sent him earlier
14:59 <spidey> lol
15:00 <mathot> Is arma coded in C ? (++)
15:00 <wrtlprnft> c++
15:01 <spidey> [06:01] ( wrtlprnft ) +c++
15:01 <spidey> haha
15:01 <spidey> my client's so messed up
15:01 <spidey> it shows - and +
15:01 <spidey> for somereason
15:01 <spidey> #check wrtlprnft
15:01 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "wrtlprnft": teleprinter and rattlebrained.
15:01 <mathot> Well, my "Hello world" script runs fine in C++ too :P
15:01 <wrtlprnft> -++--+-+---++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
15:02 <wrtlprnft> script?
15:02 <spidey> hahahahahahah@rattlebrianed
15:02 <spidey> #dict rattlebrained
15:02 <wrtlprnft> #help check
15:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (check <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "unix spell $*".
15:02 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Rattle-brained \Rat"tle-brained`\ (r[a^]t"t'l*br[=a]nd`), a. Giddy; rattle-headed. [1913 Webster]; wn: rattlebrained adj : lacking sense or discretion; "his rattlebrained crackpot ideas"; "how rattlepated I am! I've forgotten what I came for"- Glenway Westcott [syn: {rattlepated}, {scatterbrained}, {scatty}]; moby-thes: 36 Moby (2 more messages)
15:02 <mathot> (I only know php)
15:02 <wrtlprnft> php steals quite a bit frm C
15:02 <wrtlprnft> not that much from c++ tho
15:03 <spidey> i don't really know that much about any language
15:03 <wrtlprnft> the class stuff is totally different
15:03 <spidey> only what i've learned from reading
15:03 <mathot> PHP strals a lot from many languages
15:03 <spidey> which is python,php,and c++
15:03 <spidey> so i can only edit things and make them do what i want
15:03 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/contents.html <-- improve your knowlege of c++ :)
15:03  * spidey bookmarks it
15:03  * mathot copies link location
15:03 <mathot> lol
15:04 <spidey> ;x
15:04 <wrtlprnft> heh, you can see how my attempts on writing python end up
15:04 <wrtlprnft> i broke armabot a few hours ago
15:04 <mathot> I was considering ROR
15:04 <spidey> lol
15:04 <mathot> RoR*
15:04 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is ror
15:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ror: nothing appropriate
15:04 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia ror
15:04 <mathot> lol
15:05 <mathot> Ruby on Rails
15:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.64 seconds: Ruby on Rails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_on_Rails>; WROR-FM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WROR>; ROR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROR>; Ruby on Rails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Web_Service>; (2 more messages)
15:05 <mathot> :-)
15:05 <wrtlprnft> nemo will love you if you write ruby
15:05 <mathot> Why?
15:06 <wrtlprnft> his scripts are ruby
15:06  * mathot does not know nemo
15:06 <wrtlprnft> nemosultae
15:06 <mathot> ok :-)
15:06 <mathot> does not ring a bell, but that is probably just me
15:06 <wrtlprnft> his previewer is base for http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource
15:07 <wrtlprnft> check ed/fortress
15:07  * mathot copies link location ;-)
15:09  * mathot whishes he was born a little later
15:09  * mathot *whised
15:09  * mathot whished
15:09 <mathot> spffft
15:09 <wrtlprnft> nemo's mostly on the forums it seems
15:12 <mathot> We had some really huge "typewriters" and we had to write "Hello world" on that. But it hurted to type more than 10 characters on it.
15:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5906 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Settings table is now only shown if there are settings
15:12 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5907 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: A missing dot.
15:12 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:13 <wrtlprnft> :)
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15:49 <mathot> does not
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16:33 <madmax|pt> "who killed bugfarm?"
16:33 <linuxlizzard> hey joe
16:33 <DrJoeTron> yo
16:33 <linuxlizzard> guess whos on irc
16:34 <linuxlizzard> that right, its the gopher
16:34 <DrJoeTron> lucifer?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> :p
16:34 <linuxlizzard> hehe
16:34 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
16:34 <DrJoeTron> how is the gopher been
16:34 <linuxlizzard> fine it seems :)
16:34 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:34 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
16:34 <linuxlizzard> >-;;,ccc3
16:35 <linuxlizzard> idk if can get him to play tron... but we will see
16:40 <DrJoeTron> iss cool, i gotta go back to school soon
16:41 <linuxlizzard> hehe
16:42 <spidey> school sucks
16:44 <mathot> everything sucks
16:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah fuck school
16:47 <DrJoeTron> who needs it
16:49 <mathot> Well it depends
16:50 <mathot> School is nice for parents :P
16:50 <mathot> *very*
16:50 <DrJoeTron> hehehe
16:51 <DrJoeTron> i gotta beg a director to let me take a placement exam
16:51 <DrJoeTron> again
16:51 <DrJoeTron> since i switched majors, i actuallyhave to to good
16:51 <spidey> man
16:52 <spidey> someone's gonna get fuckin hurt
16:52 <spidey> specially if my dogs die
16:52 <spidey> someone keeps coming over and letting one of my labs off the leash
16:52 <spidey> anyone know a good webcam recorder?
16:52 <spidey> i'ma set my other computer up in the other room with the webcam and point it out the window
16:52 <spidey> >.<
16:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you there? Resource uploading is still broken :(
16:59 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-245-210-156.delv.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
16:59 <Your_mom_arma> #news
16:59 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
17:00 <Your_mom_arma> so i saw alex and inf on the grid, it made me laugh
17:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: I see you like the user page bragging format
17:00 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:01 <wrtlprnft> the two that insulted each other on the wiki?
17:01 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:01 <wrtlprnft> what'd they do?
17:01 <DrJoeTron> oho ohh link
17:02 <wrtlprnft> i know what they did on the wiki
17:02 <wrtlprnft> what happened on the grid?
17:02 <DrJoeTron> but i dont :D
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14246&oldid=14237
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14247&oldid=14246
17:03 <Your_mom_arma> "mom i see you declined to reply to infamous' post on the wiki"alex "i laughed at it, its funny"me
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14248&oldid=14247
17:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14249&oldid=14248
17:04 <Your_mom_arma> that was before inf came in
17:05 <Your_mom_arma> after that alex tried to coerce inf ito telling me off which i guess he had done previusly
17:05 <wrtlprnft> my laptop is making weird noises
17:05 <Your_mom_arma> into*
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and the noise changes if i press certain keys
17:06 <Your_mom_arma> "its done with"-inf then inf spent the rest of the game trying to kill me
17:06 <wrtlprnft> well
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that's the point of the game, right?
17:06 <Your_mom_arma> i just thought it was funny
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it is, but not the trying to kill part
17:07 <Your_mom_arma> they didnt do anything wrong it just made me laugh
17:08 <Your_mom_arma> they just seemed generally pissed off at me
17:09 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know why it made me laugh
17:09 <Your_mom_arma> i still think its funny
17:11 <DrJoeTron> lizzard, updated the wiki, added you and the pot
17:11 <linuxlizzard> w00t X)
17:13 <Your_mom_arma> joe http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Talk:International_Tron_World_Cup&curid=2663&diff=14375&oldid=14243
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> i hate that noise
17:14 <DrJoeTron> ohh this is cute
17:14 <wrtlprnft> if i press tab it gets really loud
17:14 <DrJoeTron> lizzard http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Servers#The_Lobster_Cage.2C_The_Lobster_Tub.2C_and_The_Lobster_Pot
17:15 <DrJoeTron> fucking minidisc player
17:16 <DrJoeTron> why would they not put an ac plug
17:16 <DrJoeTron> fucking jerks
17:17 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:17 <DrJoeTron> i need a brand new battery if i wnt to burn music
17:17 <DrJoeTron> why would you do such a thing
17:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah, no wonder why minidisc FAILED
17:18 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:19 <DrJoeTron> now i gotta get 20 bucks for a train ticket
17:19 <DrJoeTron> does joe have what it takes to step up to the plate?
17:21 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl i like the resource browser but whats with the "crazylines" preview?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it's an issue of the previewer
17:23 <wrtlprnft> crazylines is a 20x20 map
17:23 <wrtlprnft> and it scales up everything, including line widths and arrow sizes
17:24 <Your_mom_arma> oh
17:24 <wrtlprnft> the previewer is programmed by nemo, so he would have to fix it
17:24 <wrtlprnft> i just made the browser out of it
17:25 <wrtlprnft> and some of SD's maps have weird lines in them
17:25 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml
17:25 <wrtlprnft> dunno where they come from
17:26 <Your_mom_arma> why is stonehenge in eds folder?
17:26 <Your_mom_arma> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress
17:27 <wrtlprnft> he transformed it into a fortress map
17:27 <wrtlprnft> it's one of the random choices for CTWF
17:27 <Compn> fortress stonehenge? :)
17:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:27 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.2.aamap.xml
17:27 <Compn> now i wanna play it :P
17:27 <Vanhayes> that would be intense
17:28 <wrtlprnft> he cut out some stones and the altar in the middle and made it symmetric
17:28 <wrtlprnft> just play on CTWF, you have a ~20% chance to see it
17:28 <wrtlprnft> in one match
17:28 <Compn> Vanhayes : styball needs something new... something to make it interesting, like sumo zones players have to stay in, making it more like soccer, no offsides!
17:28 <Compn> make the users defense and jazz :)
17:29 <Vanhayes> is styball back up?
17:29 <Compn> no idea
17:29 <Compn> i'm just sayin
17:29 <wrtlprnft> how would Vanhayes change styball?
17:29 <Vanhayes> lol
17:29 <Compn> wrtlprnft : i'm asking his opinion
17:29 <wrtlprnft> afaik pig didn't even publish the source yet
17:29 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:29 <Compn> and penalty kicks would be fun too
17:29 <Compn> if someone gets core dumped
17:29 <Compn> lol
17:30 <Vanhayes> ya if someone dies there should be a penalty time limit untill they can be respawned
17:30 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:30 <Vanhayes> bah
17:31 <wrtlprnft> it's not working more often than it is working
17:32 <DrJoeTron> time to try to test,
17:32 <Vanhayes> probly all thoes LOL people using those damn characters
17:32 <wrtlprnft> those shouldn't hurt
17:32 <wrtlprnft> #help armaservers
17:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (armaservers [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armaservers at the RSS feed <http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverrss.php>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
17:33 <Compn> rss = backwards way the internet was made for
17:33 <DrJoeTron> #f
17:33 <armabot> Random Fortune: "`The best way to get a drink out of a Vogon is to stick || your finger down his throat...'" || - The Book, on one of the Vogon's social inadequacies.
17:33 <Vanhayes> #i
17:33 <Vanhayes> hmm
17:33 <Vanhayes> #list alias
17:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
17:33 <DrJoeTron> #i
17:33 <Vanhayes> #insight
17:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: The reckless decay of new technologies will destabilize our children's human condition.
17:34 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
17:34 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
17:34 <Vanhayes> #q
17:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
17:34 <Vanhayes> #google Okgo
17:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.22 seconds: OK Go: <http://www.okgo.net/>; OK Go - video: <http://www.okgo.net/video.asp>; www.myspace.com/ okgo: <http://www.myspace.com/okgo>; OK Go: <http://thewilltorock.blogspot.com/>; Amazon.com: OK Go : Music: <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006I0BD?v=glance>; DOMAIN NAMES Programming Website Hosting Domain Registration: (1 more message)
17:35 <Your_mom_arma> its from the ping pong instuctional video
17:36 <Vanhayes> there is a ping pong instructional video?
17:36 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:37 <Your_mom_arma> the first link from google click on video and its the bottom of the page
17:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml why does his map have randomly negative points
17:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i have no clue
17:38 <wrtlprnft> SD's race map is like that too
17:38 <wrtlprnft> and not in the preview
17:39  * Your_mom_arma looks at armabell with a grimace
17:39 <Compn> fish guy is in wildfort ;p
17:40 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: ?
17:40 <wrtlprnft> armabell's dead
17:40 <Your_mom_arma> thats what he used
17:40 <wrtlprnft> because iF was too stupid to publish the sources
17:40 <Your_mom_arma> haha
17:40 <wrtlprnft> those negative points are in the map too?
17:41 <Your_mom_arma> x="-272" y="-688" ,yep
17:42 <wrtlprnft> too bad
17:42 <wrtlprnft> the map would have been nice
17:42 <Your_mom_arma> which map?
17:42 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:42 <Your_mom_arma> just making sure
17:43 <wrtlprnft> moment
17:44 <wrtlprnft> it's just the previewer
17:44 <wrtlprnft> if you play the map in arma it's fine
17:44 <wrtlprnft> those exra lines look weird too, the map can't create them
17:45 <Your_mom_arma> i downloaded and messed with armabell and made one map, it makes random coordinates and was hard to use. It had a goofy user interface
17:46 <wrtlprnft> i hope nemo's svg->aamap script will support paths soon
17:46 <wrtlprnft> then it would be a real alternative to gvim
17:46  * wrtlprnft dreams about using inkscape or openoffice.org draw to make maps
17:47 <Your_mom_arma> <Point x="416" y="-688"/> this is where the map glitches in preview on the large square
17:48 <wrtlprnft> that's the bottom-right corner...
17:48 <wrtlprnft> and what's wrong with that?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> my stonehenge map has negative points too
17:50 <wrtlprnft>   <Wall height="5">
17:50 <wrtlprnft>     <Point x="-176" y="-144"/>
17:50 <wrtlprnft>     <Point x="-176" y="-144"/>
17:50 <wrtlprnft>    </Wall>
17:50 <wrtlprnft> i guess that might cause the glitches
17:51 <Your_mom_arma> where do you see that?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:51 <wrtlprnft>    <Wall height="5">
17:51 <wrtlprnft>     <Point x="320" y="-144"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft>     <Point x="320" y="-144"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft>     <Point x="320" y="-224"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft>    </Wall>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> there too
17:51 <wrtlprnft> it contains lots of double points
17:52 <Your_mom_arma> that might explain it, but then shouldnt all squares cause a problem?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> probably having two identical points directly next to each other
17:53 <wrtlprnft> so it tries to draw a line between them
17:54 <wrtlprnft> and that somehow gets it to draw a line between (0,0) (coordinates of the generated image) and the point
17:54 <wrtlprnft> a weird double line
17:54 <wrtlprnft> it's probably not even nemo's fault, but of the library he uses
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> your right
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> <Wall height="5">
17:54 <Your_mom_arma>     <Point x="416" y="-688"/>
17:54 <Your_mom_arma>     <Point x="416" y="-688"/>
17:54 <Your_mom_arma>    </Wall>
17:55 <Your_mom_arma> corner of the large square has the same point
17:55  * wrtlprnft 's gonna make a regular expression to match that
17:56 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder why none of ed's maps are wierd like this scince he uses armabell
17:57 <wrtlprnft> he does?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:58 <wrtlprnft> ed just fell down in my respect ranking by a big amount
17:58 <Your_mom_arma> heh
17:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ed doesn't even make a lot of his maps
17:59 <wrtlprnft> :%s/^\s*<Point\s*x="\([^"]*\)"\s*y="\([^"]*\)"\s*\/>\s*
17:59 <wrtlprnft> \s*<Point\s*x="s*y=
17:59 <wrtlprnft> "s*\/>\s*$//
17:59 <wrtlprnft> ack
17:59 <Your_mom_arma> haha
18:00 <Your_mom_arma> which maps have those wierd glitches?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> %s/^\s*<Point\s*x="\([^"]*\)"\s*y="\([^"]*\)"\s*\/>\s*
18:00 <wrtlprnft> \s*<Point\s*x="s*y="s*\/>\s*$/ 
18:00 <wrtlprnft> vive le vim
18:00 <wrtlprnft> replace the newline by a \ n
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just two of the ones SD made
18:01 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml
18:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can you fix the suid on the uploader please?
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18:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: try uploading a resource
18:04 <wrtlprnft> it can't open the log file
18:04 <Luke-Jr> O.o
18:05 <Luke-Jr> what error? I don't have a resource to test with
18:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like my commit broke it
18:05 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft/test/test-0.0.1.aamap.xml
18:05 <wrtlprnft> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
18:05 <wrtlprnft> consider yourself contacted
18:05 <Luke-Jr> oopps
18:06 <Luke-Jr> ok, try now
18:06 <Luke-Jr> I accidentally chowned the resource dir to myself last night
18:07 <wrtlprnft> works
18:07 <wrtlprnft> just the previews don't get generated still...
18:07 <Luke-Jr> I'd stick a step in there like the CIA step
18:07 <wrtlprnft> i did
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and it is previewing it seems
18:08 <wrtlprnft> 	system('/var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 128 -y 128 -m 10 -o ' . $preview_pfix . $filepath . ' ' . $repo_pfix . $filepath . '.128x128.png');
18:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:09 <wrtlprnft> $prview_pfix = '/var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/';
18:09 <wrtlprnft> something wrong with that?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> nvm
18:09 <wrtlprnft> i'm stupid
18:09 <Luke-Jr> um!
18:09 <Luke-Jr> please escape $filepath at least
18:10 <wrtlprnft> errm
18:10 <Luke-Jr> in case someday I allow autouploads of title=";; ls"
18:11 <wrtlprnft> there is some checking
18:11 <wrtlprnft> on the top
18:11 <Luke-Jr> only checking for what I allow autouploads of
18:12 <Luke-Jr> not escaping
18:12 <wrtlprnft> true
18:12 <Luke-Jr> how hard is it to wrap escapeshellarg($filepath)
18:12 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5908 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Hopefully fixed resource preview generation
18:12 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:13 <Luke-Jr> what kind of output does that make, BTW?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> quite a mess right now
18:14 <wrtlprnft> i'm changing it
18:14 <wrtlprnft> system() internally calls bash, right?
18:14 <wrtlprnft> so i can put in >/dev/null?
18:14 <Luke-Jr> system calls '/bin/sh'
18:14 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:14 <Luke-Jr> why not use backticks/
18:14 <Luke-Jr> ?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> they exist in php?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> well, why not use system
18:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5909 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Another fix for the preview generation
18:15 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:15 <wrtlprnft> now it should be safe
18:16 <Luke-Jr> or exec might work nicely
18:16 <wrtlprnft> !
18:16 <wrtlprnft> Forbidden
18:16 <wrtlprnft> You don't have permission to access /resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml on this server.
18:16 <wrtlprnft> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
18:16 <Luke-Jr> why not use system? hacks like >/dev/null =p
18:16 <Luke-Jr> O.o
18:16 <wrtlprnft> that's all resources right now
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18:17 <Luke-Jr> wtf
18:17 <wrtlprnft> i can imagine people getting mass- kicked from CT right now
18:17 <spidey_> this is new?
18:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:18 <spidey_> mkzelda
18:18 <spidey_> reset my password again
18:18 <Luke-Jr> CT doesn't use it right now
18:18 <spidey_> stupid thing keeps denying me
18:18 <Luke-Jr> there, more chowning
18:18 <wrtlprnft> can you manually generate the thumbs for the last upload?
18:19 <Luke-Jr> don't forget to generate the full res...
18:20 <Your_mom_arma> did someone brute force lucifers password?
18:20 <Luke-Jr> don't forget to mkdir -p
18:20 <wrtlprnft> i did
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/race/race-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:21 <Luke-Jr> adding 128x128.png should be with -o not the input
18:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> it is done with -o
18:21 <wrtlprnft> but doesn't work
18:22 <spidey_> http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3499/untitledwz0.jpg
18:22 <Luke-Jr> not in your paste earlier
18:22 <wrtlprnft>         system('/var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o ' . escapeshellarg($preview_pfix . $filepath) . ' ' . escapeshellarg($repo_pfix . $filepath) . '.1000x1000.png >/dev/null');
18:22 <Luke-Jr> the last argument is input
18:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:23 <wrtlprnft> should be, right?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> and the one before is -o <outputfile>
18:24 <wrtlprnft> and for some reason it doesn't do anything
18:24 <Luke-Jr> .........
18:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: mind manually deleting the two maps i just uploaded?
18:25 <Luke-Jr> /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/FILEPATH /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/FILEPATH.1000x1000.png >/dev/null
18:25 <wrtlprnft> I know, you don't like that, but that way i can upload them again
18:26 <Luke-Jr> how about just race? =p
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:26  * Luke-Jr wonders if he should just make armagetronad users able to sudo -u armagetronad o.o
18:26 <Luke-Jr> /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/FILEPATH /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/FILEPATH.1000x1000.png >/dev/null
18:26 <Luke-Jr> what is wrong there?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> is that what it outputs?
18:27 <Luke-Jr> that's what your string makes
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18:27 <wrtlprnft> if your -o works, which i assume it does, nothing
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18:27 <Luke-Jr> '.1000x1000.png' should be tagged on the end of the -o arg, not on the end of the input
18:27 <Luke-Jr> input is the XML, output is the PNG
18:27 <wrtlprnft> ouch!
18:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: remove both is best
18:28 <wrtlprnft> or you'll have to manually do the preview
18:28 <Luke-Jr> removed
18:28 <wrtlprnft> thx
18:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5910 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: hopefully fixed preview generation this time
18:29 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <wrtlprnft> waiting a few seconds...
18:29 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:29 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:29 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: if you use exec(cmdline, 0, &rv);, you'll get the return value in 'rv'
18:30 <Luke-Jr> assuming map-preview returns non-zero on error...
18:30 <wrtlprnft> this time it worked
18:30 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/race/race-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:30 <Luke-Jr> note I had manually made previews for fmap
18:31 <wrtlprnft> but that one was race
18:31 <wrtlprnft> and it does something
18:31 <wrtlprnft> the uploading takes a few more seconds than it did before
18:31 <Luke-Jr> ah
18:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:31 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska 
18:32 <Luke-Jr> if a user cancels, will it abort the script? :/
18:32 <spidey_> wow
18:32 <spidey_> 137 fps in tron
18:32 <spidey_> this owns
18:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: hope not
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5911 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Added some flush() calls to keep the user up to date on what's happening.
18:32 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:33 <wrtlprnft> I mean, i could just put the two external calls into background
18:33 <wrtlprnft> like, append an & to the command line
18:33 <Luke-Jr> nah
18:34 <Luke-Jr> I think it would keep running
18:34 <Luke-Jr> unless PHP itself times out and kills it
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't happen unless there's a real lot of walls
18:34 <Luke-Jr> yeah
18:35  * Luke-Jr wants to set the CIA author field to the map author tag
18:35 <wrtlprnft> yesyesyes!
18:35 <Luke-Jr> ?
18:35 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:36 <Luke-Jr> if I do it, someone will probably complain it puts map authors on CIA's author list for the project
18:36 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:36 <Luke-Jr> which I think is a good thing, but...
18:37 <Luke-Jr> btw, when you think the resource browser is good enough, do add a link from index
18:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/oktatower-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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18:52 <Your_mom_arma> luke your US:sty server has a bug "player_win_shotusername was awarded 10 points for being last active team"
18:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/race-0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/race-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:56 <wrtlprnft> putting all my old maps on there :)
18:56  * wrtlprnft is a bit tempted to put all his >10000 race server maps on there
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> you could play a new one everyday for more then 27 years
18:58 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:58 <wrtlprnft> it changes every 5 rounds
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how do you like the new folder icon? I tried to give it a bit of an arma touch :)
19:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: did you modify the source?
19:02 <Luke-Jr> or just the PNG?
19:03 <Luke-Jr> 'parent dir' needs a different icon =po
19:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the PNG
19:04 <wrtlprnft> you need to reload the page
19:04 <Luke-Jr> boo =p
19:04 <Luke-Jr> should modify the SVG
19:04 <Your_mom_arma> which map is that?
19:05 <Your_mom_arma> on the icon that is
19:05 <wrtlprnft> it's the sumo map
19:05 <wrtlprnft> the extra walls are fake
19:05 <wrtlprnft> brb supper
19:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: pick a random map from the directory and render it on the dir =p
19:09 <Luke-Jr> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuvola_SVG_icons
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19:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any *doable* ideas?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:45 <wrtlprnft> gnome!
19:45 <wrtlprnft> go away.
19:47 <wrtlprnft> picking a random map would be slow
19:49 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the SVG version doesn't look as good as the PNG does
19:50 <Luke-Jr> erm
19:51 <Luke-Jr> [0] Setting CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY (Group: Bumpy) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.8.3_alpha will not be allowed in.
19:51 <Luke-Jr> why does that happen when defaults are used?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> they probably aren't
19:51 <Luke-Jr> they are
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_accel_enemy
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your enemies' walls (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY differs from its default? (default: 3)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!
19:51 <DrJoeTron> #i/back
19:51 <wrtlprnft> or no, nevm
19:51 <wrtlprnft> *nvm
19:51 <DrJoeTron> :D i passed my test
19:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 is the default
19:51 <wrtlprnft> grats
19:53 <Luke-Jr> it's set to 1.3
19:53 <Luke-Jr> but none of the config files say 1.3
19:54 <wrtlprnft> did someone set it via /admin?
19:56 <Luke-Jr> yes, but the server has since been restarted
19:56 <wrtlprnft> or grep the logs for "changed to 1.3."
19:56 <Luke-Jr> yes, but the server has since been restarted
19:57 <wrtlprnft> ah, THAT's the source of that noise
19:57 <Luke-Jr> aha
19:57 <Luke-Jr> *stab*
19:57 <wrtlprnft> the keyboard is pushing down onto the fan
19:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:57 <Luke-Jr> he specified the config in lowercase
20:05 <wrtlprnft> HA!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> fixed the prob
20:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like there was just too much dust
20:05 <wrtlprnft> blowing it away fixed it
20:05  * wrtlprnft can now press tab again withaut making funny noises :)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nuvola/filesystems <-- which icon do you want?
20:06 <Luke-Jr> ?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> I don't see any icon suitable for parent dir there
20:07 <wrtlprnft> and if there was I'd have to color it orange
20:07  * Luke-Jr notes from the Special icons, the aamap one is out of place
20:07 <Luke-Jr> or you could use blue folders ;p
20:07 <wrtlprnft> nah
20:07 <wrtlprnft> i hate blue
20:07 <wrtlprnft> there's too much of a blue- hype
20:07 <wrtlprnft> everything has to be shades of blue
20:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what special icons?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> Special on that page
20:08 <Luke-Jr> how about actions/up.png?
20:11 <Luke-Jr> or overlay up.png on the normal folder
20:13 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ find /usr/share/icons/nuvola/128x128/ -name up.png           ~
20:13 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $   
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20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it's not 128x128
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21:52 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:00 <spidey_> http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8513/screenshot5ut0.png
22:01 <spidey_> my fps owns
22:01 <ghableska> :P
22:07 <SuPeRTaRD> i get more fps with shittier hardware
22:07 <SuPeRTaRD> i get about 170 on a sempron 1000 with gf4
22:08 <spidey_> really?
22:08 <spidey_> because i only have onboard
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> yes
22:08 <spidey_> that's 3 years old
22:08 <spidey_> ;x
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> ah
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> video chips sucketh
22:08 <spidey_> gets me my 129fps :)
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> comparitively..     'cept cards die quicker
22:08 <spidey_> not to mention
22:09 <spidey_> it's only 64mb
22:09 <spidey_> so imagen what it'll be when i get me a radeon
22:09 <spidey_> :D
22:10 <spidey_> though
22:10 <spidey_> i could get mine to 170
22:10 <SuPeRTaRD> 239
22:10 <spidey_> decrease res from 1024x786 to 800xwhatever
22:10 <spidey_> turn off most effects
22:10 <spidey_> should push them on up
22:10 <SuPeRTaRD> yeh i run 800x\
22:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: so i just color that arrow in orange and put it onto the directory sign?
22:17 <Luke-Jr> something like that, I guess
22:19 <wrtlprnft> what corner? bottom-left?
22:21 <Luke-Jr> whatever looks nice I guess
22:22 <wrtlprnft> well
22:22 <wrtlprnft> i know you won't like it however i do it
22:22 <wrtlprnft> but I wanna make sure I can blame you after
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22:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5912 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (folder_orange_up.png folder_orange_up.xcf preview.php): Changed the folder icon for the parent dir to include a little arrow.
22:27 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
22:28 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
22:28 <Luke-Jr> why?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> because it looks like it failed the first time
22:29 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the icon is there now
22:29 <Luke-Jr> why won't I like it, I mean
22:29 <Luke-Jr> the link doesn't work
22:29 <wrtlprnft> link?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> which one?
22:30 <Luke-Jr> well, all of them are weird
22:30 <Luke-Jr> and the parent link doesn't work
22:30 <wrtlprnft> !
22:30 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resourceLuke-Jr/Clones -- needs a / after resource?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> haha, i never use the link myself
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22:30 <Luke-Jr> parent dir doesn't use rewrite
22:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:31 <wrtlprnft> lemme fix it :S
22:31 <Luke-Jr> hehe
22:31 <wrtlprnft> my browser has a go- up and a back mouse gesture
22:31 <wrtlprnft> who needs those darn links anyways
22:32 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5913 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed missing slash and link that didn't use mod_rewrite (or LINK_PATH) yet.
22:32 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:32 <Luke-Jr> You could drop the 'parent dir' icon and simply link the directory path elements...
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> Listing of <a href=toplevel>resource</a>/<a href=...>Luke-Jr</a>
22:33 <Luke-Jr> eg
22:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:33 <wrtlprnft> grr
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
22:33 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
22:33  * Luke-Jr smacks armabot 
22:33 <wrtlprnft> that needs real fixing :S
22:33 <wrtlprnft> now it worked
22:33 <Luke-Jr> parent dir should go *up*, not same-level
22:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
22:34 <Luke-Jr> it works in categories
22:34 <wrtlprnft> no idea why it won?t
22:35 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm dropping the parent dir
22:35 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:36 <wrtlprnft> let's try that linking thing
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i can use explode for that, that's foolproof
22:37 <Luke-Jr> *g*
22:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5914 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/.htaccess: pass additional query items through
22:40 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:40 <wrtlprnft> what do we need that for?
22:41 <Luke-Jr> shrug
22:41 <Luke-Jr> future stuff?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> just screws up possible ? in map names
22:41 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to keep it ?- free :P
22:41 <Luke-Jr> ? in map names won't work anyway without %xx
22:41 <Luke-Jr> why are you using charset=iso-8859-1?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> you'd need to convert the map info to that... =p
22:42 <wrtlprnft> well, it's all ASCII anyways
22:42 <wrtlprnft> last time i checked the parser couldn't handle chars >128
22:43 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5915 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Removed parent dir links and made a breadrumb-style navigation instead
22:43 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:44 <Luke-Jr> aren't the width and height attributes on img obsolete?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> no
22:44 <wrtlprnft> try to load the page without
22:45 <wrtlprnft> the browser doesn't know the width and height and won't align the image
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it jumps like hell as the page gets loaded
22:46 <Luke-Jr> CSS
22:46 <Luke-Jr> o.O
22:47 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the big difference?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> width and height are attributes that belong into the image tag itself
22:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5916 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hopefully fixed some slash madness.
22:49 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:50 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5917 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More fixing
22:50 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5918 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Unescaped what shouldn't be escaped in regular expressions
22:52 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5919 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Another regexp fix -- i hate backslashes.
22:54 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:57 <wrtlprnft> those slashes are killing me, both forward and backward
22:57 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5920 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fix for the breadcrumb navigation
22:57 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:58 <wrtlprnft> now i got it I think :S
23:00 <wrtlprnft> someone's gonna hate me for all those commits
23:01 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5921 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Don't link the last path component (the one we're on already)
23:01 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:01 <Luke-Jr> why
23:01 <wrtlprnft> well, they're all minor
23:01 <Luke-Jr> so? =p
23:01 <wrtlprnft> but I can't really test locally
23:02 <wrtlprnft> all i can do is run it from the command line to see if there's any syntax error
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23:09 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5922 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More slash fixes
23:09 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:11 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5923 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hopeless case, added debug info
23:11 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5924 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Let's see if that does the trick
23:13 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5925 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Who needs $displaypath anyways?
23:15 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5926 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: now THIS should fix the whole thing once and for all.
23:16 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: done now
23:19 <Vanhayes> anyone know why bugfarm is down?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> not me
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: browse the maps meanwhile and tell me if you find any bugs
23:20 <Vanhayes> ok
23:20 <Vanhayes> er wanna give me a link cause I dont feel like looking for it
23:21 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
23:21 <Vanhayes> thanks
23:21 <wrtlprnft> the weird lines on SD's maps are known tho
23:22 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5927 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/.htaccess: redirect to resource/ instead of resource, that's the correct path.
23:22 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5928 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: Added resource browser link to the aabeta main page
23:28 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
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23:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any chance we can change the resource spec so you can distinguish the version number from the map name just by looking at the file name?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr/variable/scaley/scaley-a4-d10-s14-0.1-r1.aamap.xml
23:35 <wrtlprnft> everyone take a guess, what't he name, what's the version?
23:36 <Luke-Jr> LOL
23:36 <Luke-Jr> you have a suggestion, I presume?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> either forbid '-' in the name
23:36 <wrtlprnft> or forbid '-' in the version
23:37 <Luke-Jr> see, 's4-d10-s14' really should be ANOTHER attribute
23:37 <Luke-Jr> not name nor version
23:37 <wrtlprnft> umm
23:37 <Luke-Jr> it should be a variation
23:37 <Luke-Jr> or configuration
23:37 <wrtlprnft> make your category scaley/a4-d10-s14
23:37 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:37 <wrtlprnft> or, better
23:38 <wrtlprnft> make your category scaley
23:38 <Luke-Jr> scaley is one that should be a script, not a map
23:38 <wrtlprnft> the name a4-d10-s14
23:38 <wrtlprnft> and the version 0.1
23:38 <Luke-Jr> IIRC there is a 0.1
23:38 <wrtlprnft> well, the same problem exists in other spots too
23:38 <wrtlprnft> Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml
23:39 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo/clever/repeat-0.3.2-sd.aamap.xml
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23:39 <wrtlprnft> that's what i saw so far
23:40 <wrtlprnft> the php script has no chance to get the name and version without parsing the file
23:40 <wrtlprnft> which would be too expensive on a large directory
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23:47 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: the only ones that looked weird were 2 of self destructos and your 2 crazy ones
23:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, we want to lock the version spec more anyway, right?
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: would make sense. If we want to allow things like r1 postfixes i'd say we force using a _
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, those are known, reported to nemo for fixing
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: but the browser's working :)
23:51 <wrtlprnft> anyways
23:51 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:51 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:51 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: r1 is different from beta/rc/etc postfixes tho
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00:10 <Luke-Jr> wtf is Bell talking about in the quicktime thread?
00:16 <guru3> he looked up the .rec extension
00:16 <guru3> & now good night
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01:09 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I just registered for the US Government class taught by the same guy that taught my Texas Government class :)
01:30 <Luke-Jr> ...so?
01:30 <Luke-Jr> people do that all the time, you know
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> he keeps changing his name, so I have to keep ignoring his new names
01:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could someone please try custom connecting to xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org:4534?
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and please /msg me to tell me wether it working or not
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
02:02 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
02:29 <Vanhayes> #list
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:29 <Vanhayes> #list services
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
02:29 <Vanhayes> #help ghost
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: (ghost [<nick>]) -- Ghosts the bot's given nick and takes it. If no nick is given, ghosts the bot's configured nick and takes it.
02:30 <Vanhayes> #help invite
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: (invite [<channel>] <nick>) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will invite <nick> to join <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:30 <Vanhayes> #help nicks
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: (nicks [<channel>]) -- Returns the nicks in <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:31 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:31 <Vanhayes> #help nicks#help voice
02:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "nicks#help voice".
02:31 <Vanhayes> whoops
02:31 <Vanhayes> #help voice
02:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: (voice [<channel>] [<nick> ...]) -- If you have the #channel,voice capability, this will voice all the <nick>s you provide. If you don't provide any <nick>s, this will voice you. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:32 <Vanhayes> #list later
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: notes and tell
02:32 <Vanhayes> #notes
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, nemo*, Nickserv, operserv, philippeqc, someone, and unknown.
02:32 <Vanhayes> #notes $randomnick
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, and 26 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 4 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, and 29 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, and Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <Sakireth> eat (1 more message)
02:32 <Vanhayes> #more
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: crap
02:33 <Vanhayes> #seen sakireth
02:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: sakireth was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Sakireth> #chuck
02:33 <Vanhayes> #chuck
02:34 <Vanhayes> #list google
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:34 <Vanhayes> #help cache
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: (cache <url>) -- Returns a link to the cached version of <url> if it is available.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #cache www.armagetronad.net
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 'www.armagetronad.net' is not a valid url.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #cache http://armagetronad.net
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.google.com/search?client=soap&q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Farmagetronad.net
02:36 <Vanhayes> #help meta
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: (meta <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{similar,notsafe}]) -- Searches google and gives all the interesting meta information about the search. See the help for the google command for a detailed description of the parameters.
02:36 <Vanhayes> #meta van
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "van" returned approximately 871000000 results in 0.51 seconds.  Categories include "Top/Arts/Art History/Artists/G/Gogh, Vincent van".
02:36 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes" returned approximately 43 results in 0.40 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #google fight vanhayes
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: vanhayes: 621
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english" returned approximately 40 results in 0.22 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english,restrict
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english,restrict" returned approximately 6 results in 0.72 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english,restrict 10
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english,restrict 10" returned approximately 0 results in 0.70 seconds.[]
02:38 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes  10
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes 10" returned approximately 27 results in 0.36 seconds.[]
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04:45 <Lizz> hi
04:45 <linuxlizzard> hello
04:45 <Lizz> hiya linux
04:46 <linuxlizzard> hiya
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> best weight loss drug in the world is cocaine
04:48 <Lizz> hey loocee.... is there a admin command for checking IPs of ppl who enter the server?
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04:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, look at the logs, they're printed there
04:56 <Lizz> umm nvm.. i meant when ur in the server and logged into  admin
04:56 <Lizz> thx anyway
04:56 <Lizz> as u kick it shows.. wanted to kno it b4 that tho
04:58 <DrJoeTron> well that was a nightmare
04:58 <Lizz> u dream of loocee again joe?? lol
04:59 <DrJoeTron> better
04:59 <linuxlizzard> hey
04:59 <Lizz> LOL
04:59 <linuxlizzard> you see my message thur joe X)
04:59 <DrJoeTron> invader fucked up and told oscilloscope again
04:59 <DrJoeTron> say not again
04:59 <linuxlizzard> oh god
04:59 <DrJoeTron> he told someone again
04:59 <DrJoeTron> thats two people
04:59 <linuxlizzard> oof
04:59 <DrJoeTron> i changed it
05:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah i got your messages, did you get mine?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> nope
05:00 <DrJoeTron> grrr
05:00 <DrJoeTron> did you register het?
05:00 <DrJoeTron> here*
05:00 <linuxlizzard> ?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> freenode?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> have been forever ;)
05:00 <DrJoeTron> im not registered
05:01 <linuxlizzard> heh
05:01 <Lizz> bb
05:01 <linuxlizzard> thats why
05:01 <Lizz> l
05:01 <DrJoeTron> Lobsters Vs Mobsters
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05:01 <DrJoeTron> is what most people decided
05:01 <linuxlizzard> really
05:01 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
05:02 <DrJoeTron> i took a tally and asked for names
05:02 <linuxlizzard> when was this :P
05:02 <DrJoeTron> i/ll tell you the new pass next time i see you
05:02 <DrJoeTron> just now
05:02 <linuxlizzard> indeed
05:03 <DrJoeTron> and thats the one everony grimmaced to
05:04 <DrJoeTron> lizz slo is back
05:05 <DrJoeTron> nm
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05:05 <DrJoeTron> alright i want sleep
05:06 <DrJoeTron> say so im gonna do so
05:06 <DrJoeTron> fucking server box
05:06 <DrJoeTron> making my type "say"
05:07 <linuxlizzard> haha
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> say you will
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> say you won't
05:09  * Lucifer_arma is working on his degree plan
05:09 <DrJoeTron> make up your mind tooo niiight?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> say you will
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> say you won't
05:09  * Lucifer_arma loves that song when he was like 8
05:09 <DrJoeTron> wanna be miiiine?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> *loved *loved!
05:09 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
05:09 <DrJoeTron> oh foreigner
05:09  * DrJoeTron is also picking classes
05:11 <DrJoeTron> is also gonna sleep
05:11 <DrJoeTron> lizzard il tell you the password tommarow
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05:11 <linuxlizzard> kk
05:11 <linuxlizzard> It better be a good one ;)
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> his new password is "jerkoff"
05:14 <linuxlizzard> haha
05:15 <linuxlizzard> well, time to get some rest I suppose
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06:32 <Lucifer_arma> damn, looks like I'll be graduating in Fall 2010
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking around?
06:39 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm around
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> looks like Spring of 2010, actually :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> can you catch up with that ETC for me?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's with the very last semester being 16 hours, too
06:40 <GodTodd> etc+
06:40 <GodTodd> ?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> Estimated Time of Completion
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> school
06:41  * Lucifer_arma is finishing up his long-term plan, finally
06:41 <GodTodd> ahhh....i'm hoping to be done around then too
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> or at least as finished as it can be right now anyway
06:41 <GodTodd> i'd have to dig up my degree plan to know for sure :)
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put my spreadsheet up on my website when I'm done so you can take a gander at it :)
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I want to clean it up for printing first, and I still need to fill in the last semester
06:42 <GodTodd> k
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is there's only 16 hours left on this flowchart of mine, heh
06:43 <GodTodd> i'm hoping to finish my degree before it's time to buy our next house and car
06:43 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> shit, it just turned into a 17 hour semester
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06:48 <GodTodd> i'm probably going to go full load after re-wetting my feet this semester
07:00 <GodTodd> and by catch up with the etc...you mean can i finish by then?
07:00  * GodTodd isn't thinking too clearly tonight.
07:00 <GodTodd> heh
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07:08 <Lucifer_arma> yes, can you finish by then
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fixed it.  Managed to pull a few classes back, so now a summer that used to be 2 hours is 5 hours (one more hour than I'm taking right now)
07:10 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: IIRC, by default logs don't show IP
07:12 <Luke-Jr> if I continued wasting money on college, I'd have graduated last spring...
07:12 <Luke-Jr> or maybe it's next spring, I forget
07:12  * Lucifer_arma is pretty sleepy, too
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> got maybe 3 hours of sleep last night, went to class, studied, took test.  Loooong day
07:14  * Luke-Jr wonders why Lucifer_arma bothers with college
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07:14 <anjori> perhaps he wants to better himself?
07:15 <Luke-Jr> anjori: can do that more effeciently on your own
07:16 <Luke-Jr> while gaining practical experience, and self-learning skills at the same time
07:17 <Luke-Jr> anyway, I need to fix these C++ tValue binary operators...
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> for Aerospace Engineering, you think?
07:17 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: eh, I guess trial and error doesn't work out too well in that field ;)
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> how many rocket scientists get employed by building rocket ships in their backyards?
07:20 <GodTodd> 5
07:20 <GodTodd> heh
07:20 <Luke-Jr> 5?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, since about 1960, I mean
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> not counting Goddard et al.  (and whoever the German guy was, whose name I've forgotten)
07:21  * Lucifer_arma must be sleepy to forget the famous german rocket scientist that headed up the V-2 team and then came over to help on the Mercury project and more
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, they were all backyard rocket scientists :)
07:23 <Luke-Jr> now a days, that's illegal :(
07:24 <Luke-Jr> well, any serious rocket stuff anyhow
07:24 <Luke-Jr> or nuclear experiments
07:24 <GodTodd> wernher von braun?
07:24 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Is X-Files evil?
07:25 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> that's the one, thanks
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to join my fraternity?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> It's called Pi Gamma Fuck You
07:31 <GodTodd> what're the greek letters for fuck and you?
07:31 <GodTodd> heh
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> But since Pi Gamma aren't english words, we shortened the name to Fuck You
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> all you have to do is write on all your tshirts something that looks like this:  |Fuck You| <your name>
07:31 <GodTodd> do we at least get reach arounds?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> alternately:  <your name> |Fuck You|
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> no man, it's just another lame clan, like all the other fraternities
07:32 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:32 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm planning on answer the question "What fraternity are you with?" with Pi Alpha Nu
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> only problem is, these damn kids are too young to get it :(
07:33 <GodTodd> heh
07:33  * Lucifer_arma is only slightly annoyed with a community college calc class filling up with fratboys and sorority chicks
07:33 <GodTodd> heh...how many will be left 3 meetings in?
07:33 <GodTodd> ;)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> most of the class is still there, I think
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'll find out tomorrow, today was the last drop day
07:34 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so everyone who was going to drop will have done so today
07:34 <GodTodd> and the rest will take the F :)
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> the class was pretty thin today, actually.  I don't know if it's just people skipping class to take the test, people just not showing up, or if the class actually thinned
07:35 <GodTodd> hard to tell sometimes
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> I showed up because I skipped yesterday :)
07:36 <GodTodd> i had a netware class that started with 20 once....by last drop day it was down to 6
07:36 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> my calc class last semester started with 36
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> but only 4 finished
07:36 <GodTodd> wow
07:36 <GodTodd> slackers
07:36 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I feel like I'm in some sort of elite group, being one of those 4, and finishing with an A, but the fact is, we got thrown in with a lot of fucking losers
07:37 <anjori> echo wow
07:37 <GodTodd> #echo wow
07:37 <armabot> wow
07:37 <anjori> enh, that's not what i was trying to accomplish :P but that works, too
07:37 <GodTodd> i know
07:37 <GodTodd> ;)
07:37  * Lucifer_arma is feeling good, he took the easiest math test today that he's taken in years
07:37  * anjori is on a bash kick right now
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> echo $HOLYMUTHERFUCKINGSHIT
07:38 <Vanhayes> #night
07:38 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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07:38 <anjori> speaking of which, how can i make this work?    if [ `cat /etc/issue` = "*Ubuntu*" ] && [ -a /etc/sudoers ]; then
07:38 <anjori> tells me there's too many arguments
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> take out the middle brackets?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> wait, what's -a for?
07:39 <anjori> if the file exists
07:39 <anjori> it's get tripped up on the first test statement, though
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> try taking out the middle brackets
07:39 <anjori> i tried commenting out the second part to make sure
07:40 <Lucifer_arma>  /etc/issue has 3 lines in it to me
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, on my system
07:40 <anjori> maybe i should explain what i'm trying to do
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> so you probably need to grep instead of cat, if you're looking for Ubuntu in /etc/issue
07:40 <anjori> ah, okay
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> then probably just check string length
07:41 <anjori> yeah, i dont think i can use pattern matching in test statements, anyway. so *Ubuntu* wouldnt have worked
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> I forget how bash does it, but I basically mean this:
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> if `grep "Ubuntu" /etc/issue` != ""
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> you might find some arguments to grep that'll be more helpful in constructing the if statement, though
07:43  * Lucifer_arma notes that Intro to Computer Programming is a required course in his degree plan :/
07:43 <anjori> heh
07:43 <GodTodd> ahahahahaha.....i had to suffer through that for my aas
07:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Pi Alpha Nu?
07:44 <anjori> ideally, i agree with luke about college. unfortunately, the world often doesn't work like that
07:44 <anjori> they want to see that piece of paper
07:44 <Luke-Jr> anjori: depends on the field, I guess
07:44 <Luke-Jr> most employers understand that a CS degree doesn't mean much
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> is luke saying stuff that's worth me not ignoring him for a few minutes?
07:46 <anjori> re: the bash thing:  i'm writing an install script for konqueror service menus. you can specify whether you want to install it under home, or system-wide (which requires root privs). i realized, however, that ubuntu disables root by default. so i want it to check if they're using ubuntu and if a sudoers file exists. if so, use sudo instead of root.
07:46 <GodTodd> <anjori> ideally, i agree with luke about college. unfortunately, the world often doesn't work like that
07:46 <GodTodd>  <anjori> they want to see that piece of paper
07:46 <GodTodd>  <Luke-Jr> anjori: depends on the field, I guess
07:46 <GodTodd>  <Luke-Jr> most employers understand that a CS degree doesn't mean much
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I actually agree with luke on this anyway, I've fought and fought to avoid getting a degree, figuring I have the brains and talent to get what I want
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and it's worked.  Only, now I want to do something that requires very specialized knowledge that you can't get anywhere else,
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hence the degree-chase
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I would feel really bad if I used this degree to get into, say, upper management in a grocery store
07:47 <GodTodd> hey...don't stomp on my dreams man :P
07:47 <GodTodd> heh
07:48  * Lucifer_arma notes that the big Texas grocery store requires degrees from managers, but doesn't care what kind of degree
07:48 <GodTodd> big texas grocery store? which one is that?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> or at least it did 12 years ago, according to the guy with the degree I knew that worked there :)
07:48 <Luke-Jr> O.o
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> HEB
07:48 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think they use a different name in your area, but I could be wrong about that.
07:49 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: so why are you ignoring me anyway?
07:49 <GodTodd> was gonna say...don't think we have those up here :)
07:51 <GodTodd> nah...they go as far north as waxahachie
07:52 <GodTodd> 40.1 mi to the nearest one :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> they're in Austin, San Antonio, and all the way down to the border, and that's all I really know :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> waco, too
07:53 <GodTodd> yeah but waco is 90-100 mi away :P
07:53 <GodTodd> heh
07:55 <anjori> has anyone played Tremulous? i installed it within the last week, and quickly realized again what it's like to be the noob. since tron is really all else i play, and that hasn't been the case in some time.
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, spreadsheets are annoying sometimes
07:58 <GodTodd> i'm going to ask karen if she can get me an interview at halliburton for electrical engineering....see if i can get work experience instead of a degree
07:58 <GodTodd> ;)
08:00 <GodTodd> spreadsheets always annoy me...but they are useful sometimes
08:00 <GodTodd> heh
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> what's annoying is this
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to compute the number of credit hours I'm taking that are outside my degree, like the developmental math and a physics class
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to compute GPA in-degree, and for all time, because in-degree matters for the application to UT
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> rather, it matters for the engineering college part of UT, all-time matters for UT itself
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> then I want both of these GPAs computed for UT as well
08:14 <GodTodd> i take it you want it to do it without you manually coding what cells to compute
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> I want to put in the credit hours now and leave the grade blank, when I get a grade, then I'll fill it in and it'll tell me
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> right, I want to just use sum() at the top of each column and have it just fucking work
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:14 <GodTodd> what program?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> now I have to add another column, so 3 columns for each type of computation I'm trying to get
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> oo.o
08:15 <GodTodd> i haven't really fucked with formulas on that one....just basic stuff....but then i don't do a whole lot of spreadsheets
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> this column should do if(the grade column is not empty, number of hours the class is)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> me neither, but I started this in a spreadsheet and it's worked well so far :)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> just that the GPA computation it used to do was very basic
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I also want the math to show while I"m looking at it, but hide when printing.  :)  That was easy, though.
08:18 <Luke-Jr> is tString unstreamable?
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08:22 <Luke-Jr> about time
08:22 <Luke-Jr> you're only 14 years late
08:22 <Luke-Jr> =p
08:22 <mathot> :-)
08:24 <mathot> Now I only need totalcommander to run on it (sorry I but I am a TC addict).
08:25 <mathot> And Arma of course
08:29 <mathot> But I assume Arma will run on any distro? (providing my video card is supported well enough).
08:29 <anjori> what distro you on?
08:30 <Luke-Jr> mathot: any recent one, anyhow
08:30 <mathot> Currently trying out opensuse 10.1
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> 24.136.93.27
08:33 <mathot> yep
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08:47 <Lucifer_arma> arg, how the hell am I supposed to get iptables runnign?  :(
08:47 <guru3> ?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I just emerged it, and I keep telling it to reload its rules, and it says "no kernel support"
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> don't tell me I have to build a kernel, please
08:48 <guru3> you should only need the kernel modules
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> I tried modprobe iptables :)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> modprobe ip_tables too
08:49 <guru3> & the kernel supports netfilter right?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, what's netfilter?  It's a genkernel all kernel
08:50 <guru3> should have it then
08:50 <guru3> so you modprobed ip_tables
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> localhost lib # modprobe ip_tables
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
08:51 <guru3> Oo
08:51 <guru3> my genkernel made it
08:52 <guru3> in /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have the ipv4 directory you've got there
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> how recent is your kernel build?
08:53 <guru3> a couple of days
08:53 <guru3> version 2.6.13-gentoo-r3
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, this kernel's a few months old.  I need to build a new anyway, I s'pose
08:54 <guru3> i should think that it would have iptables support anyway
08:54 <Luke-Jr> guru3: wtf?
08:54 <Luke-Jr> 2.6.13 is at least a month old
08:54 <guru3> yeah
08:54 <Luke-Jr> Linux tsurukikun 2.6.17-gentoo #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 13:36:05 UTC 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
08:54 <guru3> but he asked built
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> 2.6.15-gentoo-r1  <--- my sources, hmmmm
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I didn't have iptables emerged when I built it before?
08:55 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: wouldn't matter
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going back to my degree plan, this is just more time I'm losing over a smeghead :/
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09:02 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:02 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: After Donald Trump's stretch limousine was stolen and found || undamaged a few blocks away; he said, "Nothing was stolen. I had || an honest thief."-International Herald Tribune, page 3, March 2, || 1992
09:08 <wrtlprnft> #cyborgname STM
09:09 <wrtlprnft> :S
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> #cyborg STM
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> I must have unloaded that plugin.  :/
09:13 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
09:13 <wrtlprnft> STupid Motherf***
09:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5929 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: The implementation of spectator mode changed. Thanks to Fonkay for noticing!
09:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hi
09:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: do we really need tValue::Base::copy?
09:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: hi
09:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: not if we use shared_ptr
09:15 <wrtlprnft> it was needed when we used std::auto_ptr
09:16 <Luke-Jr> ok, so we don't need it anymore?
09:16 <wrtlprnft> no
09:16 <Luke-Jr> ok, it's gone =p
09:16  * Luke-Jr goes to destroy it
09:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm pondering whether Add should concat or not
09:19 <Luke-Jr> maybe it should actually try to numerically add strings?
09:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, please not
09:21 <wrtlprnft> that's slow too
09:22 <Luke-Jr> eh?
09:23 <wrtlprnft> numerically adding two strings
09:24 <wrtlprnft> but you can do it
09:24 <wrtlprnft> and add a . operator for strings :)
09:24 <Luke-Jr> except . was going to be used as a object.function seperator :x
09:25 <wrtlprnft> you can distinguish that by data types
09:26 <wrtlprnft> an object + a function doesn't make sense to put into a string
09:31 <Luke-Jr> data types don't exist at parse time
09:31 <Luke-Jr> preferably
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09:31 <Luke-Jr> eliminating ::copy is a pain :(
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09:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/Degree_Plan.ods
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> awww, he left
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, there ya go, degree plan :)
09:47 <Your_mom_arma> what did we ever do to the guy that keeps defacing the wiki
09:48 <Your_mom_arma> Luci did someone brute force your password? (blocked ... changed my password)
09:49 <Luke-Jr> Your_mom_arma: tried, IIRC
09:50 <Your_mom_arma> oh?
09:57 <guru3> microsoft is great
09:57 <guru3> "Your Web site has been deleted."
09:58 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ?
09:58 <guru3> it's just a funny message to bother showing
10:01 <Luke-Jr> hm
10:01 <Luke-Jr> microsoft.com crashes konq
10:04 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: no, somebody tried to login as me and then kept hitting the "send me a new password" button
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> I decided that was definitively bad behavior and blocked him
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you look at recent changes, someone called Fucktheadmin was screwing around, probably someone who had a temporary ban that just now turned into a permanent ban
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Fucktheadmin". The reason given for Fucktheadmin's block is: "'''idiot'''")
10:16 <Luke-Jr> o.O
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11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5930 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h):
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Add GetValue method for tValues, and split C-style Math class into BinaryOp class with Add, Subtract, Divide, and Multiply subclasses
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: This seems to work after a quick local round (before the zone bug crashes it)
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Be on the lookout for "WARNING: Base::GetValue called!"-- that would be a bug, I think
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11:52 <wrtlprnft> lol what's a C- style math class?
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12:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: an idea: the svn commit messages on http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad have a "(link)" behind them that links to SF's websvn. What about having it link to the detail page for resource uploads?
12:18 <wrtlprnft> "Canis meus id comedit." == "My dog ate it."?
12:18 <wrtlprnft> my latin is nonexistent
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12:25 <anjori> wow. i just scored a 42 in wild fort. that has to be my best ever.
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12:59 <TitsnAss> yo
12:59 <TitsnAss> where luke
12:59 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: TitsnAss wants to talk to you
13:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5931 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Added <url> tag to commit messages generated, they link to the detail page for the resource that was uploaded.
13:00 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> what did he want to say?
13:00 <TitsnAss> oh
13:00 <TitsnAss> lol
13:00 <TitsnAss> Luke-Jr: hi
13:00 <TitsnAss> Luke-Jr yt
13:00 <TitsnAss> blah
13:00 <wrtlprnft> /ignore TitsnAss 
13:05 <TitsnAss> wrtl can u tel luke something for me
13:06 <TitsnAss> yo
13:06 <wrtlprnft> what? ...
13:06 <wrtlprnft> he has a reason to ignore you probably
13:06 <TitsnAss> no i dont think so..
13:06 <TitsnAss> is he responding to u/
13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that
13:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess he isn't there right now
13:06 <TitsnAss> kk
13:07 <wrtlprnft> probably sleeping
13:07 <wrtlprnft> but he doesn't ignore me
13:07 <wrtlprnft> not that i know of, anyways
13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting
13:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that
13:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #leter tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting
13:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:08 <TitsnAss> tell him the one after
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks
13:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:08 <TitsnAss> kk thanks
13:08 <wrtlprnft> ...
13:08 <TitsnAss> thank you armabot :D
13:08 <TitsnAss> and wrtlprnft
13:09 <wrtlprnft> armabot is ignoring you.
13:09 <TitsnAss> armabot is a bot :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> it's a she!
13:09 <TitsnAss> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07
13:09 <TitsnAss> u spelled later wrong
13:09 <TitsnAss> you spelled it leter
13:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:09 <TitsnAss> so that operation didn't suceeed
13:09 <TitsnAss> above
13:09 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:10 <TitsnAss> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:10 <TitsnAss> yea
13:10 <TitsnAss> that one 
13:10 <wrtlprnft> armabot is ignoring you!
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #notes Luke-Jr 
13:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 2 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that, Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting, Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks, and Sent just now: (1 more message)
13:10 <TitsnAss> :)
13:10 <TitsnAss> #notes Luke-Jr
13:10 <wrtlprnft> wrong order tho
13:10 <TitsnAss> how come the bot is ignoring me
13:10 <TitsnAss> #ignore lis
13:10 <TitsnAss> t
13:10 <TitsnAss> #ignore list
13:10 <TitsnAss> bah
13:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma made her do that
13:11 <TitsnAss> can you undo it?
13:11 <wrtlprnft> sice you were in here and annoying everyone
13:11 <wrtlprnft> i can't
13:11 <TitsnAss> :<
13:11 <TitsnAss> :>
13:11 <TitsnAss> : > 
13:11 <TitsnAss> bad lucifer..
13:12 <wrtlprnft> i think Lucifer_arma is ignoring you too
13:12 <wrtlprnft> he doesn't clear out his ignore list as often as i do
13:12 <TitsnAss> o
13:12 <TitsnAss> your a good boy
13:13 <TitsnAss> or girl
13:13 <TitsnAss> or... bot whatever you are
13:13 <TitsnAss> tell him to email me at alienwarecrazy@gmail.com
13:13 <TitsnAss> kk
13:13 <TitsnAss> lat3r
13:13 <wrtlprnft> cya
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13:16 <DrJoeTron> man he's annoying
13:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:16 <spidey_> haha
13:16 <spidey_> i'm glad i was asleep
13:17 <DrJoeTron> i dont remember him being like this at all. did he fall out of several tree's?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: you found a match in annoyingness
13:17 <wrtlprnft> now don't fight for it, ok?
13:17 <spidey_> ;x
13:17 <spidey_> i'll try
13:17 <spidey_> ;s
13:17 <spidey_> i maybe annoying
13:17 <spidey_> but he's annoying and retarded ;x
13:18 <DrJoeTron> you two would make a cute couple ^^
13:18 <spidey_> i'm already yours ;x
13:18 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:19 -!- You're now known as TNASlapper
13:19 <spidey_> haha
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19  * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:20 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ARGH!
13:28 <wrtlprnft> looks like I caused that crash after all
13:28 <spidey_> *Laughs*
13:28 <spidey_> hmm
13:28 <spidey_> lmao
13:28 <spidey_> Be Right Back.
13:28 <spidey_> wtf
13:28 <spidey_> O.o
13:28 <spidey_> Be Back Later
13:28 <spidey_> cooooooooool
13:29 <wrtlprnft> omg
13:29 <wrtlprnft> /sience spidey_ 
13:29 <spidey_> *Laughs*
13:29 <spidey_> sience?
13:29 <wrtlprnft> /silence spidey_ 
13:29 <spidey_> mwh
13:29 <spidey_> meh*
13:31 <wrtlprnft> fuck Luke-Jr's snailmail change in all files
13:31 <wrtlprnft> now i have to completely recompile arma if i switch between revisions
13:36 <wrtlprnft> great, just great
13:36 <wrtlprnft> now i just hoped I fixed the trunk, now Luke-Jr's addition won't compile
13:38 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr did you forget to commit cWidgetBase.cpp? The current version is incompatible with your tValue changes
13:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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13:43 <wrtlprnft> short visit
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5932 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWall.cpp zone/zZone.cpp zone/zZone.h):
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - commented out assert in gWall.cpp, it still stops the game for no apparent reason
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - reverted my fix with the HUD map once again since it caused some trouble I don't understand. Shots on pig sty won't disappear anymore, but at least the game won't crash.
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: This makes the game useable again, though luke's last commit won't compile, downgrade tValue.* to r5929 if you want to compile it.
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14:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5933 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php unknown.png): Added a real 404 message and enabled viewing at least basic information about cockpits.
14:27 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
14:28 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
14:31 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5934 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Show the source code for non- aamap files. "Other versions" links should be fixed now too, though I can't test it.
14:31 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
14:32 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
14:33 <DrJoeTron> #serverlist
14:33 <DrJoeTron> :/
14:35 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
14:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
14:35 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be permanently broken now
14:35 <DrJoeTron> ruh roh
14:40 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5935 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Only try to generate previews if possible.
14:40 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
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15:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:01 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.2.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5936 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More double- slash fixes.
15:04 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5937 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Ack, don't change 'http://' to 'http:/' of course!
15:05 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:07 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
15:07 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
15:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5938 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed 404 header.
15:08 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:10 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5939 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Bumped version number.
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/classic-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:12 <spidey_> you wanna know what's fucked up
15:12 <spidey_> when someone calls me yesterday and i can't even remember it
15:13 <spidey_> worse part my grandma "woke me up" which i don't remember so i could talk to them
15:13 <spidey_> but i wasn't awake ;D
15:13 <spidey_> hope i didn't tell on myself :s
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15:20 <DrJoeTron> aww no one is in tit's server"(
15:20 <DrJoeTron> gee its such a good server
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wanna see a fun server?
15:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> play on mine, guess you'll find out why it's called psychotron
15:22 <DrJoeTron> do i need 2.8.2
15:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just noticed it crashed or something...
15:22 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should be up and running now
15:24 <linuxlizzard> hey
15:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm not sure what's the minimum version
15:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's running on 0.3.0
15:26 <DrJoeTron> yo lizzard
15:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey lizz
15:26 <linuxlizzard> X)
15:26 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
15:27 <DrJoeTron> you see the recient wii specs?
15:28 <linuxlizzard> jaja
15:28 <linuxlizzard> the latest rumor is that it may run on linux X)
15:28 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/02/zscanner-700-almost-as-cool-as-a-view-master-3d/ looks like a fun new way to make bike models :p
15:28 <DrJoeTron> haha surre it will
15:31 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5940 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Show dirs before files.
15:31 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5941 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/unknown.png: Made icon compatible with IE
15:33 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:34  * wrtlprnft smacks IE
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15:42 <spidey_> hmm
15:42 <spidey_> i've got a idea!
15:42 <spidey_> maybe
15:42  * spidey_ starts reading bash
15:43 <spidey_> s/bash/batch
15:45 <wrtlprnft> bash > batch
15:45 <spidey_> alligator mouth eats loser
15:45 <spidey_> besides it's for windows
15:45 <spidey_> so batch
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> get cygwin
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and run bash on windows
15:46 <spidey_> i got it
15:46 <spidey_> >.<
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> something i'm still waiting for is mod_bash for apache
15:46 <spidey_> you know how you put something in /usr/bin in linux and you can run it by typing it in konsole?
15:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> chmod +x
15:47 <spidey_> well i'ma make batch scripts for all the programs i use put them in \windows\system32
15:47 <spidey_> and do the same
15:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the suffering of the windows user ><
15:48 <spidey_> when wine supports the games i play
15:48 <spidey_> i'll stop dual booting
15:48 <spidey_> till then
15:48 <spidey_> windows always has a partition :p
15:48 <spidey_> well
15:48 <spidey_> windows gets the 12gig drive
15:48 <spidey_> linux gets a 30gig partition on my 111gig drive
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm currently trying to get hl2 running under wine
15:49 <spidey_> wait till the new release
15:49 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: what's wrong with using CGI?
15:49 <spidey_> it'll support hl2 and some other game
15:49 <wrtlprnft> bash loads blazing fast anyways
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [Xpert]DarkStar: i want mod_bash on my own webserver
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause it
15:49 <wrtlprnft> ...
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 's the only language i really can
15:50 <wrtlprnft> well, use CGI
15:50 <wrtlprnft> any bigger bash script calls bash many times anyways
15:50 <wrtlprnft> so there's no problem with having to load it on each call
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15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
15:51 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska 
15:51 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi ghableska 
15:51 <ghableska> hi [Xpert]DarkStar
15:52 <spidey_> this
15:52 <spidey_> is windows wanting to be linux
15:52 <spidey_> http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2836/wannabelinuxja2.jpg
15:52 <spidey_> ;x
15:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know what libdl is?
15:52 <linuxlizzard> haha
15:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey_: not that bad ^^
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #google libdl
15:52 <spidey_> ;D
15:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.47 seconds: BeBits - libdl .so: <http://www.bebits.com/app/2917>; libdl @Everything2.com: <http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=978595>; RPM resource libdl .so.2: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libdl.so.2>; docs.sun.com: man pages section 3: Library Interfaces and Headers: <http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-0218/6m6nirqld?a=view>; RPM (2 more messages)
15:52 <wrtlprnft> looks awful :P
15:52 <spidey_> haha
15:53 <spidey_> my stupid client keeps talking to me
15:53 <wrtlprnft> tooo much black
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey_: is that fluxbox?
15:53 <spidey_> everytime someone posts a link it says
15:53 <spidey_> "site address has been stored"
15:53 <spidey_> >.<
15:53 <linuxlizzard> heh
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://a.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://b.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://c.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://d.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://e.com
15:53 <linuxlizzard> yes
15:53 <spidey_> [Xpert]DarkStar. blackbox
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to use fluxbox
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now using gnome
15:54 <spidey_> gnome sucks
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to each their own
15:54 <spidey_> ;x
15:54 <wrtlprnft> gnome sucks
15:54 <spidey_> when i'm on linux i either use kde of fluxbox
15:55 <wrtlprnft> wannabe max
15:55 <wrtlprnft> *wannabe mac
15:55 <spidey_> ohh
15:55 <spidey_> i can make windows look like mac to
15:56 <wrtlprnft> gnome is wannabe mac
15:56 <spidey_> i get 120+ fps in tron now because
15:56 <spidey_> with this thing
15:56 <spidey_> i right click
15:56 <spidey_> disable plugins
15:57 <spidey_> then it's a blank desktop
15:57 <spidey_> and i get the extra fps
15:57 <spidey_> because there's nothing loaded on the desktop
15:57 <spidey_> ;x
15:57 <wrtlprnft> an idle desktop shouldn't eat any CPU
15:57 <spidey_> .....
15:57 <spidey_> who said anythng about cpu
15:57 <spidey_> i was talking about gpu
15:57 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't eat any anything
15:58 <spidey_> it doesn't
15:58 <spidey_> nvm
15:58 <spidey_> on linux i don't even get 120+ fps
15:58 <spidey_> so it's not a windows/linux thing ;)
16:03 <spidey_> hmm
16:03 <spidey_> i wish i hadn't put that damned stereo ontop of the computers >.<
16:03 <spidey_> Be Right Back. adding ram to this box
16:04 <spidey_> Current System Configuration �I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n�
16:04 <spidey_> Operating System: Windows XP Build 2600 up for 22 hours, 40 minutes 27 seconds
16:04 <spidey_> CPU/MEM: 1 Intel , 2193MHz with Currently 261 of 376MB in use which is 69.41%
16:04 <spidey_> Storage System: n/a Internet Connection: n/a
16:04 <spidey_> Display System: n/a using a n/a monitor at 1280 by 1024 32bit color 60Hz refresh
16:04 <ghableska> :O
16:05 <wrtlprnft> stfu or I'll ask guru3 to disable colors
16:05 <spidey_> Current Drive Storage Status. �I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n�
16:05 <spidey_> Drive C of 111G has 50.1G free. Drive F of 12.7G has 8.11G free.
16:05 <spidey_> Total Storage: 124G  Total Used: 66.2G  Total Free: 58.2G
16:05 <spidey_> hmm
16:05 <spidey_> weird
16:05 <spidey_> anywho
16:05 <spidey_> Be Right Back.
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16:05 <wrtlprnft> i hope he'll take a whie
16:05 <wrtlprnft> l
16:06 <guru3> yeah
16:06 <ghableska> heh
16:16 <DrJoeTron> time to go back to school and pick classes
16:16  * DrJoeTron hates this week 
16:18 <linuxlizzard> hah
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16:26 <spidey> yay for 1 things
16:26 <spidey> 1 more ram
16:26 <spidey> 2 my bnc works again
16:26 <spidey> >.<
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16:32 <spidey> #g 256+256
16:32 <armabot> 256 + 256 = 512
16:33 <spidey> er
16:33  * spidey goes to tron
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16:45 -!- Vanhayes__ is now known as Vanhayes
16:49 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
16:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || �/xf5fbff�ps Arena (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || 1V1 Sumo Arena (4 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (3 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (3 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (3 players) || Norm's Place (3 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (3 (1 more message)
16:49 <Vanhayes> wow it worked
16:50 <Vanhayes> #more
16:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: players) || Team LOL Server {by TNA} (2 players) || LumaTron (2 players) || RaceToWinzone (Testversion) (2 players) || Stonehenge hide and seek zones! (1 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
16:50 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> it works?!
16:50 <Vanhayes> maybe it fixed itself?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> maybe guru3 fixed it ;)
16:51 <guru3> no there's something wrong
16:51 <guru3> with one of the master servers or something
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with STM
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2375 messages.
16:51 <guru3> and when it picks that one randomly
16:51 <guru3> it craps out
16:51 <guru3> and the update fails
16:51 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:00 <guru3> at least
17:00 <guru3> that's my theory
17:00 <guru3> as to why it fails
17:00 <guru3> bottom line is that it does fail
17:13 <wrtlprnft> just have it try again immediately?
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17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> heh
17:23 <mathot> #heh
17:23 <Vanhayes> lol
17:23 <mathot> :-D
17:24 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft:  I guess you have to wait a while before trying again
17:24 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:25 <mathot> the tigers classic server went down today
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #help armaservers
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (armaservers [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armaservers at the RSS feed <http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverrss.php>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
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17:27 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
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17:36 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:37 <Vanhayes> #later tell ghableska Vanhayes said Hello.
17:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
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17:44 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: we managed to find out why SD's maps get rendered with some weird lines in your previewer: They have double points :S
17:44 <wrtlprnft> ie two consecutive points with the same coordinates in the same <Wall> element
17:44 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:45 <wrtlprnft> the fixed version renders fine: http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml
17:45 <nemostultae> OK. Let me try to reproduce a simple testcase, so I can file a bug.
17:47 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:47 <Luke-Jr> blah, TNA is annoying
17:48 <Luke-Jr> I told him I couldn't compete with webhosting or domains. But he was SO sure he'd already sold a few at $12/yr
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17:52 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
17:54 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/20dcd5 <-- note the "URL" attribute
17:55  * Luke-Jr noticed
17:55 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oops re cWidgitBase
17:55 <Luke-Jr> did you already fix it, or should I commit mind?
17:55 <Luke-Jr> mine*
17:56 <wrtlprnft> youors
17:56 <wrtlprnft> *yours
17:56 <wrtlprnft> i assumed you wouldn't commit anything broken and didn't wanna do the work twice
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5942 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Fix to work with new subclass math operators
17:57 <Luke-Jr> heh
17:57 <Luke-Jr> well, I *was* tired last night
17:57 <Luke-Jr> and Svn for some reason didn't update my code with your beautification
17:57 <Luke-Jr> so I need to manually diff/patch my changes to current trunk
17:58 <wrtlprnft> my beautification?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> or someones
17:58 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:58 <wrtlprnft> that's ph who made it
17:58 <Luke-Jr> everything was reindented
17:58 <wrtlprnft> and you need to do make rebeautify
17:58 <Luke-Jr> so I had to use diff -Bb to move changes over
17:58 <Luke-Jr> cuz Svn was dumb and didn't update it
17:58 <wrtlprnft> make rebeautify on both checkouts
17:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:59 <wrtlprnft> make rebeautify changed 22 files
18:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
18:00 <wrtlprnft> did you change the indentation when you did the snailmail change?
18:00 <Luke-Jr> not AFAIK
18:00 <Luke-Jr> I used sed
18:02 <wrtlprnft> weird
18:02 <wrtlprnft> did someone change the make rebeautify command?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> apart from your change gExplosion.cpp was last changed by Lucifer_arma on June 6
18:03 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: IIRC, libdl is the dynamic linker
18:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: does the math subclass ops work now?
18:03 <wrtlprnft> didn't try yet
18:05 <wrtlprnft> shall i commit the rebeautified stuff?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> the new math stuff seems to work fine.
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: wanna make factories for all tValues? ;)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> that big if/elseif thing is ugly
18:10 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't if/elseif you could make a std::map<tString, tValue::BasePtr(*)(tValue::BasePtr const &, tValue::BasePtr const&)> and use that
18:11 <wrtlprnft> it would probably even be a tiny bit more performant
18:11 <wrtlprnft> hint, hint
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18:14 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf is a factor?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:15 <wrtlprnft> x*y=z
18:15 <wrtlprnft> x is a factor
18:15 <wrtlprnft> y is a factor
18:15 <Luke-Jr> and I was told in ##c++ that C++ cannot store class pointers
18:15 <wrtlprnft> z is the product
18:15 <Luke-Jr> factory*
18:15 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:15 <wrtlprnft> a factory basically is a class pointer :)
18:15 <wrtlprnft> you put a static function in every class
18:15 <Luke-Jr> besides, you could probably do it since you know what you're talking about =p
18:16 <Luke-Jr> oh, like copy? =p
18:16 <wrtlprnft> that function creates a new instance and returns it
18:16 <wrtlprnft> static Class * Factory(arg1, arg2) {
18:16 <wrtlprnft>     return new Class(arg1, arg2);
18:16 <wrtlprnft> }
18:16 <wrtlprnft> and then you can store function pointers
18:17 <Luke-Jr> i c
18:17 <wrtlprnft> uh, not quite like that
18:17 <Luke-Jr> any way to use template for copy/factory?
18:17 <wrtlprnft> you could use a macro
18:17 <wrtlprnft> but no template
18:18 <Luke-Jr> oh, right-- it needs to be virtual
18:18 <wrtlprnft> class Derived : public Base {
18:18 <wrtlprnft>    Base(args) {}
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ack
18:18 <wrtlprnft> i can't write code in IRC
18:19 <wrtlprnft> class Derived : public Base {
18:19 <wrtlprnft>    Derived(args) {}
18:19 <wrtlprnft>     Base * factory(args) {
18:19 <Luke-Jr> well, if you want to do the factory and/or copy-macro stuff, feel free-- I'm probably going to subclass-ify the comparison stuff next, and then finish the parser
18:19 <wrtlprnft> i guess I'll do it
18:21 <Luke-Jr> BTW, I wasn't able to kill ::copy =p
18:22 <wrtlprnft> just get rid of every place that uses it?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> it should mostly be tValue::Set
18:23 <wrtlprnft> you can just copy the BasePtr now as it will refcount
18:23 <Luke-Jr> it's used everywhere
18:23 <Luke-Jr> and not everything is a BasePtr
18:24 <Luke-Jr> for example, I have no clue how to make 'this' into a BasePtr
18:24 <Luke-Jr> anyway, something else might need ::copy someday, so I figure maybe just leave it
18:24 <Luke-Jr> especially if it can be mostly macro-ified
18:24 <wrtlprnft> macros are so C :s
18:25 <Luke-Jr> well blame C++ for not allowing virtual templates? =p
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18:25 <ghableska> hi Lackadaisical
18:25 <Lackadaisical> hi
18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: am I correct that Base::GetValue should never be called?
18:26 <wrtlprnft> not really
18:26 <wrtlprnft> my code uses Base as a dummy
18:26 <Luke-Jr> ah
18:26 <Luke-Jr> hm
18:27 <wrtlprnft> for cases where there is just nothing to be stored
18:27 <wrtlprnft> buggy cockpit files might cause it to be called
18:27 <Luke-Jr> such as? =p
18:28 <wrtlprnft> data sets in cockpit files always have a min, max, and value
18:28 <wrtlprnft> not in all cases min and max are needed so I allow omitting it
18:28 <wrtlprnft> if it's not defined it will be a tValue::Base
18:29 <Luke-Jr> i c
18:29 <wrtlprnft> buggy as in "created by spidey"
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18:33 <TitsnAss> yo luke
18:34 <TitsnAss> anyone here
18:37 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5943 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Forgot that resources with no given type attribute default to aamaps.
18:37 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:39 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: no
18:39 <TitsnAss> kk 
18:40 <wrtlprnft> does anyone have an idea for a better aacockpit icon?
18:40 <TitsnAss> talk to me in PM
18:40 <wrtlprnft> supper, bbl
18:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: a preview
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18:44 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:45 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss_: /nick and PM
18:45 <TitsnAss_> what?
18:45 <TitsnAss_> hi 
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18:45 <TitsnAss> ok
18:45 <TitsnAss> yo
18:45 <TitsnAss> are u there
18:46 <TitsnAss> yoo luke i wann pay 
18:46 <TitsnAss> are u there?
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18:46 <Luke-Jr> omg
18:46 <Luke-Jr> what an idiot
18:47 <ghableska> :P
18:48  * DrJoeTron registered
18:48  * DrJoeTron for classes :D
18:50 <linuxlizzard> hehe
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18:51 <TitsnAss> okback
18:51 <linuxlizzard> hiya
18:51 <DrJoeTron> im hungry
18:52 <TitsnAss> dr joe tron 
18:52 <DrJoeTron> yes?
18:52 <TitsnAss> how much do u think a 16 player slot server would cost
18:52 <TitsnAss> 10 bucks
18:52 <TitsnAss> ?
18:52 <DrJoeTron> free
18:52 <TitsnAss> eh
18:52 <DrJoeTron> i would never pay for a server on this game
18:52 <TitsnAss> where can i get one for free
18:53 <DrJoeTron> garbage pick up
18:53 <TitsnAss> How much do people that pay for servers pay?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: make a preview script then
18:53 <TitsnAss> Luke-jr are you there
18:53 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i  know
18:53 <TitsnAss> luke i'll pay u 16 bucks
18:53 <TitsnAss> happy?
18:53 <DrJoeTron> i dont know anyone but you who pays for arma server
18:54 <TitsnAss> do you know anyone who can host me one
18:54 <DrJoeTron> not really
18:56 <DrJoeTron> i know luke jr does
18:56 <DrJoeTron> talk to him
18:56 <TitsnAss> lol
18:57 <linuxlizzard> heh,I just found a box and plugged it in :)
18:57 <DrJoeTron> you should see the lobster tub
18:57 <DrJoeTron> its not even in a box
18:57 <DrJoeTron> its on a gian metal slab
18:57 <Luke-Jr> linuxlizzard: that won't get low ping times =p
18:57 <linuxlizzard> hehe
18:57 <TitsnAss> where does luke live
18:57 <linuxlizzard> its been good enough so far ;)
18:57 <DrJoeTron> yeah luke where do you live
18:58 <DrJoeTron> i get like 30 ping on your server
18:58 <TitsnAss> he lives in misouri
18:58 <DrJoeTron> that would be why
19:01 <DrJoeTron> lizzard i gotta show you pics of the lobster tub
19:02 <linuxlizzard> oh yes
19:02 <DrJoeTron> its a pile of parts that make a server
19:02 <linuxlizzard> hah
19:02 <DrJoeTron> sitting under gomes's desk
19:02 <linuxlizzard> are you gonna do the lobster tank thing 
19:02 <DrJoeTron> he kicks it accidently from time to time :p
19:02 <linuxlizzard> cuz that would be kewl
19:02 <DrJoeTron> i was about to
19:02 <linuxlizzard> lol
19:02 <DrJoeTron> but the pc i got
19:02 <DrJoeTron> wasnt good enough
19:02 <linuxlizzard> I see
19:02 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I live in Missouri-- my server I host on is somewhere in NJ or Chicago, IIRC
19:03 <TitsnAss> luke i sent wiildcat ur details
19:03 <TitsnAss> 15 bucks a month right
19:03 <TitsnAss> we will pay this month 15 bucks
19:03 <TitsnAss> then we will ralley together for the rest
19:03 <TitsnAss> 16 bucks*
19:03 <linuxlizzard> heh
19:04 <DrJoeTron> we thought about making lobster tub be the tank
19:04 <DrJoeTron> but eh
19:04 <Luke-Jr> ya
19:04 <TitsnAss> kk
19:04 <TitsnAss> nice
19:04 <DrJoeTron> we have no place putting the tank
19:04 <linuxlizzard> I see
19:04 <TitsnAss> wait for our 16 bucks
19:04 <DrJoeTron> but one day
19:04 <TitsnAss> does that cover multiply connections
19:04 <TitsnAss> like backup of the server
19:04 <TitsnAss> as many servers or just one
19:04 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:04 <Luke-Jr> one 16 slot server
19:04 <Luke-Jr> I do backups fairly often
19:05 <TitsnAss> o ok
19:05 <TitsnAss> You know in ur web interface
19:05 <TitsnAss> could you save my current settings and call it fortres
19:05 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:05 <TitsnAss> and then make a menu
19:05 <TitsnAss> with the settings for fortress
19:05 <TitsnAss> that i have
19:05 <spidey> lol
19:05 <Luke-Jr> ???
19:05 <TitsnAss> Look
19:05 <TitsnAss> Settings that i currently have
19:05 <TitsnAss> Save it as : Fortress in another page
19:06 <TitsnAss> and then whenever i create new settings can i be able to save them as a name
19:06 <TitsnAss> so i can switch through settings faster
19:06 <TitsnAss> like from fortress to sumo
19:06 <Luke-Jr> o
19:06 <Luke-Jr> i c
19:06 <TitsnAss> yeah
19:06 <TitsnAss> it would be easier
19:06 <Luke-Jr> ya
19:06 <Luke-Jr> I'll put it on my to-do list-- might be a few days
19:07 <TitsnAss> kk
19:07 <spidey> ????
19:07 <spidey> dude
19:07 <spidey> all you have to do is include it
19:07 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: when it's done, you'll use 'include profile/name'
19:07 <Luke-Jr> or smth like that
19:07 <TitsnAss> lol
19:07 <TitsnAss> k
19:07 <spidey> like /admin include examples/cvs_test/sumo_complete.cfg
19:07 <spidey> or
19:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: the web interface doesn't make it possible to add them yet tho
19:07 <TitsnAss> kk
19:07 <TitsnAss> shut up spidey :)
19:07 <spidey> but why?
19:07 <spidey> they're already there
19:08 <spidey> it's default resource
19:08 <Luke-Jr> spidey: he wants custom ones
19:08 <spidey> oh
19:08 <spidey> i saved mine on the backup drive so it's copy and paste ;x
19:08 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: tho spidey's point does go for z-man's sumo settings
19:08 <spidey> TitsnAss kiss my ass
19:08 <TitsnAss> first kiss mine
19:09 <spidey> ...
19:09 <TitsnAss> ....
19:10 <DrJoeTron> Go Team Venture
19:10 <TitsnAss> eh?
19:11 <TitsnAss> : .
19:11 <TitsnAss> ok its back to peanut butter and pr0n time
19:11 <TitsnAss> seeya
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19:12  * DrJoeTron smashes nails into his eyes
19:12 <DrJoeTron> god why 
19:12 <spidey> i really don't like that guy
19:12 <GodTodd> peanut butter and pr0n?  don't think i wanna know...
19:13  * spidey goes back to watching zombie movies
19:13 <Luke-Jr> @.@
19:13  * DrJoeTron goes back to mario kart ds
19:13 <GodTodd> with peanut butter? ;)
19:13 <DrJoeTron> crunchy ;D
19:14 <GodTodd> lol
19:14 <GodTodd> i think titsnass is using creamy....
19:14 <GodTodd> :X
19:14 <DrJoeTron> hahahaha
19:14 <DrJoeTron> hooo. man
19:14 <DrJoeTron> probably with the dullest butter knife ;d
19:15 <spidey> the devils rejects
19:15 <spidey> ;x
19:15 <spidey> reminds me of Lucifer_arma
19:15 <DrJoeTron> Land of the dead :D
19:15 <spidey> got it
19:15 <DrJoeTron> good!
19:15 <spidey> dawn of the dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> i love it:p
19:15 <spidey> night of the living dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> its funny too
19:15 <spidey> day of the dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> because two of those actors
19:15 <spidey> resident evil 1&2
19:15 <DrJoeTron> are in the Super Mario Bros Movie
19:15 <spidey> shuan of the dead is funny
19:15 <DrJoeTron> pretty much doing the same rolls
19:16 <spidey> i've got like
19:16 <spidey> 80 movies
19:16 <DrJoeTron> dawn of the dead remake was funny
19:16 <spidey> i want the first one
19:16 <spidey> but can't find i
19:16 <spidey> tt
19:16 <spidey> :/
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19:17 <DrJoeTron> its not bad
19:17 <DrJoeTron> oh come on
19:17 <DrJoeTron> you like zombie movies but you dont have half life 2?
19:17 <DrJoeTron> oh god
19:17 <DrJoeTron> ravenholm is soo crazy
19:17 <DrJoeTron> We Don't Go to ravenholm :p
19:18 <DrJoeTron> flinging people around with the gravity gun :D
19:18  * DrJoeTron goes to load up steam
19:25 <spidey> i haven't played hl2
19:25 <Luke-Jr> https://www.scifiboxsets.com/ Does this look legit?
19:26 <DrJoeTron> over priced if you ask me
19:27 <DrJoeTron> brb
19:27 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: really? You can get all 9 seasons of X-Files for under $180?
19:27 <Luke-Jr> that's < $1/ep
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20:14 <Compn1> Luke-Jr : well its cheaper than amazon
20:14 <Compn1> it looks legit
20:14 <Compn1> they replace broken discs too
20:15 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron took too long to respond, and I was impatient, so I ordered =p
20:29 <wrtlprnft> looks like arma as I know it is dying away :(
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 1) Lucifer_arma cuts down his development to almost 0. No more dev discussions and stuff
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 2) BF Fortress is going down
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 3) I'm actually working together with Luke-Jr 
20:33 <Vanhayes> bugfarm is going down??
20:36 <Lackadaisical> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80261#80261
20:36 <Vanhayes> heh ya i just read that, explains why so many people were in US fortress yesturday
20:38 <Lackadaisical> guess i'm back to playing with a transatlantic ping ;)
20:38 <Compn1> the big question
20:38 <Compn1> is where will zman play now?
20:38 <Compn1> on CT wild fort? :P
20:40 <wrtlprnft> Compn1: no, his own servers
20:40 <wrtlprnft> they just won't be fortress anymore
20:40 <Compn1> ah
20:41 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
20:41 <wrtlprnft> more ads in quit messages :S
20:42 <Compn1> more crappy irc clients :S
20:44 <wrtlprnft> my client doesn't have ads in its default quit message
20:44 <wrtlprnft> it is so great it doesn't need them :)
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20:45 <wrtlprnft> hi there
20:45 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has quit ["Drink Coca cola (http://www.cocacola.com)"]
20:47 <nemostultae> heh
20:47 <Nixda909> hi
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20:48 <nemostultae> hi bye
20:50 <wrtlprnft> :S
20:51 <spidey> that police offer in the devil rejects got owned
20:51 <spidey> ;s
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21:06 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:07 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell me why lagometer is spelled laggometer in some places and not in some others?
21:23 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com ...i'm so damn good i broke it ;x
21:29 <spidey> hmm
21:31 <wrtlprnft> #google dict threshold
21:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.21 seconds: threshold - definition by dict .die.net: <http://dict.die.net/threshold/>; difference threshold - definition by dict .die.net: <http://dict.die.net/difference%20threshold/>; """Caching dictionary that uses access times to decide which ...: <http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/python/Cache.py>; [Tutor] Re: Unique Items in Lists: (3 more messages)
21:32 <spidey> bugfarm's going down?
21:32 <spidey> :(
21:34 <wrtlprnft> it is NOT going down
21:35 <spidey> ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> BF fortress is going down probably in its current state
21:35 <spidey> .....
21:35 <spidey> are you pulling a Luke-Jr? >.<
21:36 <wrtlprnft> there'll be other BF servers
21:37 <spidey> hm
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin' around?
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5944 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Added meriton's improved Lag-O-Meter and axes indicator: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6761 .
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Moved all the defined classes into a new namespace to avoid possible future conflicts as the code doesn't use our normal naming convention.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Made the color blend factor and minimal size of the Lag-O-Meter configurable.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added option to use the old Lag-O-Meter, this will disappear (#ifdef'd out actually) in the trunk.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added menu option to render the axes indicator.
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5945 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (38 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5846 to 5944:
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5852 | z-man | 2006-07-28 21:51:08 +0200 (Fri, 28 Jul 2006) | 5 lines
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added StateUpdate() to stuff that is called right after network data is
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  received. This should fix the short rounds at match end if a player scores
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  at the last possible momemt when the round restart has already been decided,
22:19 <wrtlprnft> I hope i did that right x_x
22:19 <guru3> what do you think of autodeleting forums users that haven't activated within a month?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:20 <wrtlprnft> what's the exact use?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> they can't post anything anyways
22:20 <guru3> helping to remove of spam registrations
22:20 <wrtlprnft> it's your forums, just make sure you have backups ;)
22:21 <guru3> eh what
22:21 <guru3> i make all my changes to the php live
22:24 <wrtlprnft> no, if you run a mysql command to delete all those users
22:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5946 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Disable the old Lag-O-Meter in the trunk.
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22:31 <TitsnAss> hi
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@87.123.148.255] has joined #armagetron
22:33 <TitsnAss> yo
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I'm partial to a longer interval, but it's up to you.  :)
22:33 <guru3> just an idea i had
22:35 <wrtlprnft> enjoy the new lagometer :)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> why am I always the one that merges meriton's code?
22:36 <TitsnAss> :)
22:36 <TitsnAss> i hate you guys *wimpers*
22:36 -!- TitsnAss [n=TitsnAss@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #armagetron []
22:36 <guru3> woo he r gone
22:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
22:37 <wrtlprnft> x_x
22:37 -!- linuxlizzard [n=linuxl@ip68-0-231-217.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["brb..."]
22:37 <wrtlprnft> i guess we already /ignored him and showed our dislike of him to have him leave
22:37 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by guru3
22:37 <wrtlprnft> *enough
22:37 <@guru3> someone remind me to remove that
22:37 <@guru3> in a couple of days
22:37 <wrtlprnft> does that disable colors?
22:37 <@guru3> no
22:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, guess not
22:38 <wrtlprnft> what is +b then?
22:38 <@guru3> ban
22:38 <GodTodd> block
22:38 <GodTodd> yeah that
22:38 <GodTodd> :)
22:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
22:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, bans him, ok
22:38 <wrtlprnft> right, it has a parameter
22:39 <wrtlprnft> that guy lives in Canada?!
22:39 <wrtlprnft> or does ca mean cable?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> i guess only comcast knows
22:39 <guru3> geoiplookup c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
22:39 <guru3> GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States
22:40 <GodTodd> probably california
22:40 <GodTodd> *** GodTodd is n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net
22:40 <GodTodd> that's mine and tx is texas
22:40 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:41 <guru3> texas x)
22:41 <wrtlprnft> geoip sounds interesting
22:42  * wrtlprnft is emerging it
22:42 <guru3> it can be useful
22:42 <wrtlprnft> why don't i have a hostname with cablesurf in it anymore?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> well, just a naked IP is nice too
22:43 <guru3> 1
22:43 <guru3> i mean yeah
22:43  * guru3 can't decide which anime to watch
22:43 <wrtlprnft> just run one anime on each of your computers?
22:45 <guru3> can't watch more than one ep simultaenously
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22:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/Degree_Plan.ods  <--- here it is again, just looks better now :)
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: still there?  Heh, I'm coming and going
22:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm coming and going as well
22:52 <GodTodd> heh
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> that spreadsheet I put up there, if you're careful to do two things, you should be able to use it yourself
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> You have to make sure when you move classes around that you copy and paste the entire row
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> and you only change the look in the styles on the right.  :)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> You do have to go to the place on the right where the math is done and say whether a class is in-degree, in-college, and/or all, of course, to get the GPA computation working right
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's my plan, and it works for me.  :)
22:57 <GodTodd> looks good...i'll have to try and steal it ;)
23:06 <GodTodd> fuck i hate ie
23:06 <GodTodd> heh
23:06 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: use something else
23:06 <spidey> ie!?!
23:06 <spidey> use firefox
23:06 <spidey> >.<
23:07 <wrtlprnft> use opera
23:07  * spidey tells wrtlprnft to bite him ahead of time
23:07 <spidey> 'er to slow
23:07 <wrtlprnft> if you want it fast and standards compliant
23:07 <GodTodd> i do...but virc makes me use ie for some fucked up reason...so i have to copy and paste the links instead of clicking
23:07 <GodTodd> :/
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23:07 <GodTodd> i use firefox as a normal browser
23:07 <spidey> use xchat
23:07 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: change the settings?
23:08 <GodTodd> i've looked for the setting
23:08 <GodTodd> don't see it in virc
23:08 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
23:08 <spidey> use xchat
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> use Konversation
23:08 <wrtlprnft> use irssi
23:08 <spidey> he's not on linux
23:08 <spidey> are you?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> that you need to install KDE is only a good thing
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, he's not
23:08 <GodTodd> not yet
23:09 <wrtlprnft> use irssi and you won't need to worry about clicking links at all
23:09 <wrtlprnft> you can't
23:09 <wrtlprnft> that's the only thing i dislike irssi for
23:09 <GodTodd> is xchat free?
23:09 <spidey> no
23:09 <GodTodd> i don't pay for chat clients
23:09 <spidey> i have a freeversion though
23:09 <spidey> :)
23:09 <spidey> the last free release >.<
23:10 <spidey> for windows anyways
23:10 <spidey> it's still free on linux
23:10 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
23:10 <spidey> it's like 3megs
23:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: aww, is it really that bad working with me? :(
23:10  * wrtlprnft wouldn't execute something he got from spidey 
23:10 <spidey> haha
23:10 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, that's the change
23:11 <spidey> ...
23:11 <spidey> what's that supposed to mean?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> that it's not exactly a safe thing
23:11 <spidey> ...
23:13 <GodTodd> hrmm...it's a tar
23:13 <spidey> ya
23:13 <spidey> i compressed it while i was on linux
23:13 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you've had bad experiences working with me before? or just discussing and hearsay? ;p
23:13 <wrtlprnft> learn to deal with tar.(bz2|gz) or you'll never make a switch to linux
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: discussing :P
23:14 <GodTodd> nah...i have no problems with tar....just checking to see if i have 7zip or not
23:14 <GodTodd> heh
23:15  * Lucifer_arma thinks konversation is a very nice irc client
23:16  * spidey thinks x-chat is better
23:16  * Luke-Jr thinks all IRC clients suck =p
23:16  * spidey thinks Luke-Jr is a hypocrite
23:16  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's been happier since he put Luke-Jr on his ignore list
23:16 <spidey> haha
23:17  * wrtlprnft thinks IRSSI kicks all other IRC clients' butts
23:17  * Luke-Jr thinks IRSSI only supports 9 channels at once and thus also sucks
23:17 <Luke-Jr> brb
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ?!
23:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: it does support more
23:18 <GodTodd> if all irc clients suck then what is Luke-Jr doing here?
23:18 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:19 <spidey> that's what i ment by he's a hypocrite
23:19 <spidey> :p
23:19 <GodTodd> i know
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Meta-1, Meta-2, .. Meta-0 - Jump directly between windows 1-10
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Meta-q .. Meta-o          - Jump directly between windows 11-19
23:19 <wrtlprnft> /WINDOW <number>          - Jump to any window with specified number
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23:19 <GodTodd> i was 'dumbing it down' ;)
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how is that limited to 9 windows?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> i count 19 windows that are directly accessible there
23:20 <wrtlprnft> and any number if you use /window
23:20 <wrtlprnft> and of course you can make your own bindings
23:21 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: all irc clients suck, that's why he's chatting using netcat
23:23 <spidey> lol
23:23 <wrtlprnft> so the only window limitation is in his head and his typing skills
23:27 <wrtlprnft> "all mail clients suck, this one just sucks less"
23:27 <wrtlprnft> though I'm not using mutt
23:28 <GodTodd> that's a pretty big limitation XD
23:32  * GodTodd officially crowns Luke-Jr King of Stupid Generalizations.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> all generalisations suck.
23:34 <GodTodd> i'm unique, just like everybody else
23:34 <wrtlprnft> all people in this channel lie.
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> all of my shit smells!
23:44 <GodTodd> mine does too...like freakin' roses :D
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> sorority girls are stupid!
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, I can't wait until this calc class is over and all the snotty UT kids go back to UT and leave us alone
23:52 <spidey> haha
23:53 <spidey> UT sounds familar

Log from 2006-08-03:
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00:02 <spidey> #g 1,000,000 / 1,000
00:02 <armabot> 1,000,000 / 1,000 = 1,000
00:02 <spidey> erm
00:02 <spidey> that's not the answer i'm looking for >.<
00:03 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 1,000,000
00:03 <armabot> 1,000 / 1,000,000 = 0.001
00:03 <spidey> that's more like it
00:03 <spidey> i think
00:04 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 10
00:04 <armabot> 1,000 / 10 = 100
00:04 <spidey> hmm
00:04 <spidey> ok
00:04 <spidey> if 100 = 1,000
00:05 <spidey> well
00:05 <spidey> 10,000 = 1,000
00:06 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
00:06 <spidey> ?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> that's why my cockpit is so darn slow
00:06 <spidey> it's so big?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr's change to tValue kept outputting WARNING: Base::GetValue called!
00:06 <wrtlprnft> multiple times per frame
00:08 <wrtlprnft> and that into a screen session inside a konsole
00:08 <wrtlprnft> that does eat at least some CPU
00:08 <spidey> heh
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5947 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: (log message trimmed)
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5845 to 5946:
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5944 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-02 22:08:15 +0200 (Wed, 02 Aug 2006) | 6 lines
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added meriton's improved Lag-O-Meter and axes indicator: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6761 .
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  - Moved all the defined classes into a new namespace to avoid possible future conflicts as the code doesn't use our normal naming convention.
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  - Made the color blend factor and minimal size of the Lag-O-Meter configurable.
00:09 <spidey> if 1,000,000 dollars = 1,000 points
00:09 <spidey> how would i figure out how many dollars = 1 points
00:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, screen session usually help
00:09 <Luke-Jr> s
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5948 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Argh, I thought the last commit would amount to nothing. Reverting it. Sorry
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: for log-spamming.
00:10 <spidey> screensessions never did anything to me.....
00:10 <spidey> i always had to use one to run luci's python script
00:12 <wrtlprnft> log-spamming? I never do that
00:12 <linuxlizzard> spidey, $1000 per point * 1000 points = 1,000,000 ;)
00:12 <spidey> oh ya
00:12 <spidey> well
00:12 <spidey> i was looking for a decimal
00:12 <spidey> i think
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be 3 years old to know true happiness
00:13 <spidey> lol
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> after that, all happiness is slightly fake
00:13 <wrtlprnft> why did z-man merge again?
00:14 <spidey> ??
00:14 <wrtlprnft> maybe I did something wrong
00:14 <spidey> he reverted a change?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> no
00:15 <wrtlprnft> that change he made himself
00:15 <wrtlprnft> looks like I did the merge wrong for SVN, getting the same result in the trunk, but missing some revision management thing
00:15 <wrtlprnft> and so he merged again, hoping nothing would change in the files themselves
00:16 <wrtlprnft> but svn merge added one line twice
00:16 <wrtlprnft> then he reverted that
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably see a forum post about it in a minute.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man reached 4000 posts!
00:19 <spidey> O.o
00:20 <wrtlprnft> or maybe there won't be a post...
00:20 <spidey> #check calculator
00:20 <armabot> spidey: "calculator" may be spelled correctly.
00:20 <spidey> hmm
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i'll ask him next time he shows up here
00:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:20 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:20 <DrJoeTron> sorry luke, was at the hospital for about 4 hours
00:21 <linuxlizzard> hah, whats this for
00:45 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: O.o?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, installed bad-behavior on the wiki
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> now someone try to spam the wiki so I can see if it works, heh
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01:10  * deja_vu slaps spidey around with a camera *.*
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01:12  * spidey stabs deja_vu
01:12 <deja_vu> cool =]
01:12 <deja_vu> how sweet of you :)
01:12 <spidey> deja_vu
01:13 <deja_vu> spidey
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5949 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: wrtl says this is ok
01:30 <Luke-Jr> hum, tornado weather outside
01:30 <ghableska> :O
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02:34 <ghableska>  
02:35 <spidey> -
02:35 <ghableska> {}
02:35 <spidey> {}
02:35 <ghableska> "
02:40 <spidey> "
02:44 <Vanhayes> *
02:46  * Vanhayes is finally done painting his house
02:46 <Vanhayes> it took 37 hours spaced over 6 days to do the whole thing.
02:46 <ghableska> :D
02:47 <ghableska> What color is it now?
02:47 <ghableska> Or were you just repainting it?
02:48 <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:48 <Vanhayes> last time it was painted was about 12 years ago so it really needed it
02:48 <spidey> ew
02:48 <spidey> black makes a room look so small
02:49 <Vanhayes> its the outside...
02:50 <spidey> a black house??
02:50 <Vanhayes> we've been painting the inside the last few years, only one room needs it now
02:50 <spidey> i've heard of yellow,tan,white,and even red
02:50 <spidey> but never black
02:50 <ghableska> Lol.
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last from Vanhayes with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <ghableska> O_o
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last  with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:51 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:51 <spidey> #last --from Vanhayes --with eaves
02:51 <armabot> spidey: [19:51:53] <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:51 <spidey> owned
02:51 <Vanhayes> there we go
02:51 <spidey> O.o
02:51 <Vanhayes> ahaha
02:51 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:51 <Vanhayes> there
02:51 <ghableska> Haha.
02:51 <Vanhayes> only the eaves are black
02:51 <Vanhayes> rest of the house is white
03:05 <ghableska> so...
03:22 <Vanhayes> ?
03:41  * Vanhayes pokes ghableska 
03:42  * ghableska pokes back
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> bah
03:54 <Vanhayes> #list
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
03:57 <Vanhayes> #list alias
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:57 <Vanhayes> #help svn
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (svn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )".
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
04:01  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:02 <Vanhayes> armabot roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:02 <Vanhayes> #help roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
04:03 <Vanhayes> # roulette spin
04:03 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
04:06 <Vanhayes> #list insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 'insight' is not a valid plugin.
04:06 <Vanhayes> #help insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: (insight <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/insight.php".
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04:17 <spidey> lmao
04:18 <ghableska> ?
04:18 <spidey> if scope starts losing he leaves
04:18 <ghableska> :P
04:18 <spidey> that adianaine or wtf ever guy was him
04:18 <ghableska> did you win?
04:18 <spidey> i saw you join,why'd you leave
04:18 <spidey> :p
04:19 <ghableska> :P
04:19 <spidey> i won a few
04:19 <spidey> but my ping's like 300+ there
04:19 <spidey> for some reason
04:19 <ghableska> o.0
04:19 <ghableska> isn't the server in the US?
04:19 <spidey> new jersey
04:19 <ghableska> still...
04:19 <spidey> yes it's us
04:19 <spidey> routing must suck
04:20 <spidey> cause i get a better ping on bugfarm
04:20 <spidey> lol
04:20 <ghableska> lmao
04:20 <spidey> seriousl
04:20 <ghableska> my ping is usually around 80 there
04:20 <spidey> when there's only 4-5 people there
04:20 <ghableska> haha
04:20 <Vanhayes> umum I got a 91 in shrunkland, won and scope  didnt run off
04:20 <spidey> i get 160-169
04:20 <ghableska> :P
04:20 <spidey> Vanhayes, but mostly he was in chatbot
04:20 <spidey> :p
04:20 <spidey> the last part >.<
04:20 <ghableska> that's my average ping on bf :P
04:21 <spidey> ghableska i hate you >.<
04:21 <ghableska> aww
04:21 <spidey> mine should lower when i get dsl
04:21 <ghableska> what do you have now?
04:21 <spidey> cable,lol
04:21 <ghableska> huh?
04:21 <spidey> but charter blows
04:21 <spidey> plus i'll be getting double the speed on the dsl connection i'm getting
04:21 <ghableska> oh
04:22 <spidey> i'll go from 3mbit to 6mbit
04:22  * Vanhayes is pretty sure he has 10 mbit
04:22 <spidey> no
04:22 <spidey> that's your eithernet card's max speed
04:22 <spidey> if you have 10mbit you're paying a shitload
04:23 <Vanhayes> .I think my ethernet is 100mbit
04:23 <spidey> www.speakeasy.com
04:23 <spidey> test your connection speed
04:23 <spidey> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
04:24 <spidey> Download Speed: 1651 kbps (206.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> Upload Speed: 155 kbps (19.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> ah
04:24 <spidey> my isp is on pms
04:24 <spidey> that's why my ping's so high
04:24 <ghableska> Download Speed: 4706 kbps (588.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> Upload Speed: 242 kbps (30.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> :P
04:24 <spidey> like i said
04:24 <spidey> i hate you
04:28 <Vanhayes> hmm its lower than before 
04:28 <Vanhayes> Download Speed: 4776 kbps (597 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <Vanhayes> Upload Speed: 347 kbps (43.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <spidey> ;)
04:29 <ghableska> Grr.
04:29  * Vanhayes beat ghableska 
04:29  * ghableska beat spidey :P
04:29  * Vanhayes beats spidey too
04:30 <ghableska> Vanhayes: are all your isp problems gone?
04:30 <ghableska> like how you used to leave servers randomly?
04:31 <Vanhayes> still happens when it rains
04:31 <ghableska> O_o
04:31 <Vanhayes> for the most part it stays up and stable
04:32 <ghableska> "for the most part" ;)
04:32 <Vanhayes> had a stable 130-140 in bugfarm
04:33 <Vanhayes> heh ya when it does go crazy it goes really crazy, at least 400 pings random disconnects every few minutes and transfer times 3kb/s tops
04:40 <Vanhayes> stonehedge map in fortress is pretty good
04:41 <ghableska> what is it?
04:44 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml
04:44 <Vanhayes> it was made by wrtlprnft but made into fortress by ed with some editting too
04:44 <GodTodd> i beat you all :D
04:44 <GodTodd> Last Result:
04:44 <GodTodd> Download Speed: 5549 kbps (693.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:44 <GodTodd> Upload Speed: 255 kbps (31.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:45  * ghableska still beats spidey :P
04:45 <spidey> i'll have a 80kb/s upload
04:45 <spidey> which means i'm gonna host a tron server local
04:45 <spidey> maybe 2 with 10 players each
04:45 <Vanhayes> operative words "i'll have" not I have
04:45 <spidey> then i'll have about 4-5 server
04:45 <spidey> :D
04:45 <Vanhayes> sall them the spider empire
04:45 <Vanhayes> call*
04:45 <spidey> lol
04:45 <spidey> hmm
04:46 <spidey> i might :D
04:46 <ghableska> O.o
04:46 <spidey> well
04:46 <spidey> i run 2 on the webserver
04:46 <spidey> 1 i get from luke
04:46 <Vanhayes> btw ghableska there is now a map previewer-->> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
04:46 <spidey> then if i run 1-2 local
04:46 <spidey> ;'x
04:46 <Vanhayes> do you pay for lukes?
04:46 <spidey> yes...
04:46 <Vanhayes> 16 a month?
04:47 <spidey> heh
04:47 <spidey> something like that
04:47 <spidey> i can't wait till i turn 17
04:47 <spidey> i'm getting my ged and a job
04:47 <spidey> ;x
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48 <spidey> and my other grandma and greatgrandma have about $4k saved up for me to get a car
04:48 <Vanhayes> if I say it enough it should come true
04:48 <spidey> hahah
04:48 <spidey> you're gonna fail
04:48 <spidey> i know it
04:48 <spidey> ;x
04:49 <Vanhayes> well Ive never really failed a full grade just too many seperate courses
04:49 <spidey> lol
04:49 <spidey> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:49 <Vanhayes> night
04:49 <ghableska> cya
04:52 <spidey> er
04:52 <spidey> not as tired as i thought
04:52 <spidey> i went downstairs to piss and decided to make a hamburger
04:54 <Vanhayes> hmm im hugry too, wonder what there is to eat here
04:54 <ghableska> ice cream?
04:54 <Vanhayes> maybe
04:54 <spidey> i'm outta ice cream
04:54 <spidey> :(
04:54 <ghableska> :(
04:54 <spidey> we're outta money till tomorrow >.<
04:55 <spidey> we made it 1 month of $80 of groceries
04:55  * Vanhayes goes to hunt scrounge something to eat
04:55 <Vanhayes> er no hunt
04:55 <Vanhayes> -hunt
04:55 <ghableska> :O
04:55 <spidey> lol
04:55  * ghableska takes cover
04:55 <spidey> pick a movie
04:55 <spidey> i need one to watch
04:55 <spidey> i've got just about everything
04:55 <spidey> so...
04:56 <ghableska> Brokeback Mountain :P
04:56 <spidey> no
04:56 <spidey> and i won't have it either
04:56 <spidey> :p
04:56 <ghableska> Blade Runner?
04:56 <spidey> my grandma has the dvd
04:56 <spidey> blade rubber
04:56 <spidey> that's like
04:56 <spidey> where he hunts these humoids?
04:56 <spidey> and falls in love with one
04:56 <ghableska> Yeah.
04:56 <spidey> or is that number 2?
04:56 <ghableska> two?
04:56 <ghableska> brb
04:56 <spidey> see, i've got just about everything
04:56 <spidey> :p
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05:04  * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:04 <ghableska> yuck?
05:05 <Vanhayes> heh its actually very good
05:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
05:07 <ghableska> did you just mix it up?
05:07 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
05:07 <Vanhayes> argh
05:08 <Vanhayes> I cut the water melon up and put the juice and chucks in and put it in thr blender
05:08 <Vanhayes> the*
05:08 <ghableska> Hmm
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt 
05:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --nolimit
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:09:43] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt, [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit, and [22:05:23] * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:09 <Vanhayes> hmm must have been reset then
05:09 <ghableska> Vanhayes is making me hungry :-/
05:10 <Vanhayes> lol id send you some but im prett sure the yogurt would be bad by the time it got there
05:10 <ghableska> where do you live again?
05:11 <Vanhayes> new brunswick canada
05:12 <ghableska> 1414 miles...
05:12 <Vanhayes> #g 1414 miles in kilometers
05:12 <armabot> 1,414 miles = 2,275.61242 kilometers
05:12 <Vanhayes> damn...
05:13 <ghableska> yeah, it might get stale...
05:13 <ghableska> I once had yogurt with fungus in it on british airways
05:13 <Vanhayes> argh did you eat it?
05:13 <ghableska> yuck, no :P
05:14 <Vanhayes> lol maybe it was supposed to be like that, never know with those british...
05:14 <ghableska> heh
05:19 <ghableska> #night
05:19 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:25 <Luke-Jr> [1] Granting 0.013246 seconds of lag credit.
05:26 <Luke-Jr> what is all this? I'm getting a ton
05:34 <Luke-Jr> oh my... beautify wrecks havoc on if..elseif..elseif..elseif..elseif.....else
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06:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking around right now?
06:21 <spidey> O.o
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're not GodTodd 
06:21 <spidey> haha
06:21 <spidey> luci
06:21 <spidey> how's this look for ya
06:23 <spidey> Lucifer_arma , http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/600/windozeeq8.jpg
06:23 <spidey> look better now? ;x
06:24 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: about as kicking as i get ;)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> with the little msn icon down there?
06:24 <spidey> ya?
06:24 <spidey> what about it?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd, you want to start writing on my website?  like regularly?
06:24  * Lucifer_arma thinks that gives it away as a windows desktop
06:25 <GodTodd> depends on what you want written i suppose
06:25 <spidey> haha
06:25 <spidey> that's not the point
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more of what you want to write.  :)  There's not really any fiction, it's mostly commentary, just, ummm
06:25 <spidey> you said if it didn't have the xp stuff pread all over
06:25 <spidey> so now it doesn't ;x
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, not to be a bad blog, but to be something good.  Then after expenses are covered (they usually aren't), we split the difference
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> that sort of writing deal
06:26 <GodTodd> kind of free association type stuff then?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> so, you know, commentary both political and social, tutorial-style, whatever.  Whatever you want to write.
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, structured, still.  If the article is one page, then it should read like a well-written essay, or structured like a story.
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> if it spans several pages because you've decided to split it, then it should be structured accordingly
06:27 <GodTodd> i hate stream of consciousness ;)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> we could collaborate on stuff if we wanted, books etc.
06:27 <GodTodd> sounds good
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I hate the kind of writing that comes to mind when you say blog
06:27 <GodTodd> me too
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not really after that.  it's not a journal, don't use it like a diary, right?  ;)
06:28 <GodTodd> right...i figure that if people are bored enough to read what i had for breakfast then they are bored enough to read a political commentary anyway :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> my readership has pretty much dropped to nothing, so all I bring to the table is a website that's there and with a fair amount of content already
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> since it's on my server, we can do pretty much anything we want, you know?  No stupid web-hosting limitations.  If a readership appears, then so will the money to put it on a real server.
06:29 <GodTodd> what kind of production would you need?  
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> whatever you want.  :)
06:29 <GodTodd> errr...want i guess...not need
06:29 <GodTodd> :)
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> the idea goes like this:
06:30 <Luke-Jr> crap, this thing crashes the debugger
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I write whenever I want, and I try to make it once a week.  I've been falling down on the job, though.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> you write whenever you want, and you try to make it once a week, but I won't yell at you for falling down on the job.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> we try together to make sure that at least 4 new articles appear each month
06:30 <GodTodd> looking at about a page or so a time?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> a complete article at a time
06:31 <GodTodd> k
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> the size should be determined by the article, not by any other arbitrary thing
06:31 <GodTodd> sounds doable....pretty much you're delegating half of your writing work ;)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, assuming we both reach the goal (which isn't a lot, really, it's about 2 hours a week), then we double the work that's done :)
06:32 <GodTodd> right
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we split in half after costs, as an informal partnership.  We can formalize it if real money appears and it's necessary.
06:32 <GodTodd> and i haven't been working on writing enough lately...that'd give me a reason to force myself to keep the wheels turning
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we do aim for real money, mind you.  :)
06:32 <GodTodd> of course :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> and you promise not to break anything, I'm going to put you in the administrator group.
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> you did make an account, right?  I thought I saw it there.
06:33 <spidey> put it on a real server?
06:33 <GodTodd> i can promise not to break anything on purpose...
06:33 <GodTodd> yeah i have one
06:34 <GodTodd> in fact i got the "you haven't been here for a while" email tonight :)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's there
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I just installed the module that sends that email :)
06:34 <GodTodd> well it borked...i've been to your site after 4/21 :P
06:35 <GodTodd> logged in too :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> consider the site "recently rebuilt".  :)
06:35 <GodTodd> k
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll try to get a mailing list setup at some point, that's part of making money with a website anyway.  I need to install that module, and right now I'm working on putting the "make our lives easier" modules in
06:36 <spidey> lol
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you can use bbcode, wiki formatting, or html, you'll see the list.  If you want something else, you'll have to tell me.  Modules have to be isntalled manually in drupal.
06:37 <spidey> ew @ drupal
06:37 <GodTodd> k
06:38 <GodTodd> actually....i might be able to use this as kind of a freelancing springboard too...
06:38  * GodTodd tries to think of ways to maximize the possibilities. :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotten work from it before.  ;)
06:46 <GodTodd> might have something on lack of respect for others' property brought on by our "just buy a new one" societal view...
06:46 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you want to write something like a book review, or something that's both special and common enough that there may be code to support it,
06:47 <GodTodd> pretty much OpEd pieces?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> see if there's a module at drupal.org that I can install to help you.  :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretty much.  You can also put up recipes (which I'm considering doing myself), how-to articles for anything, document an ongoing project of yours, whatever.
06:48  * GodTodd is reading the "going to school" one that was just posted ;)
06:48 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> as long as there's something for a reader to take from it that he can say is his.
06:48 <GodTodd> that's the goal of all my writing ;)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> The difference between that and just telling people what you did today is that in the second, they're just reading about what you did.  Whooppeee, right?  ;)
06:49 <GodTodd> exactly
06:49 <GodTodd> i doubt many people would pay to hear about changing a shitty diaper :)
06:49 <GodTodd> errr read
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> so when I have written about what I did, it's usually in short-story format designed to carry a theme and stuff like any other short story
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> revenue right now is google ads.  there's a cafepress store, but it's never sold anything.
06:50 <GodTodd> sounds like mine ;)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> google ad revenue is at the lowest its been since I started the ads.  That is, it was lower when I started, but this is the lowest since then.
06:51 <GodTodd> i'll probably see if i can catch runoff traffic to my site too
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it barely covered expenses last year, if you define expenses loosely
06:51 <GodTodd> i run google ads on mine as well...couple affiliate banners that might stay or go...dunno yet
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've always found affiliate banners useless.  Google ads are good, they usually mean something to what's on the page, and I'm happy with them.
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> google pays pretty well for advertising, so if we can just get traffic up, we should do fine.
06:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i check my google ads periodically...they seem to match the content really well
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> so that's a second part is pimping the site.  :)  After you write an article, if you know a place that takes links with a readership that's interested, it doesn't hurt to post there.
06:53 <GodTodd> verily true
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> like, whenever I write an article about linux I go to a few linux sites and try to get into their third-party listing.  I've seen traffic up around 10k unique visitors a day for long periods
06:54 <GodTodd> since it's opinion i can use hearsay, right?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> to give an idea of what we need, 10k unique visitors a day for 3 months might get us a $100 check from google.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, definitely.  If your source is really genuine, give it a real citation.  If it's not, don't try to claim authority on it, but do try to provide your own estimate of the reliability of the information.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't hurt to mention every now and then that the strength of your conclusions is limited by the relibility of your information.  :)
06:55 <GodTodd> ok...cuz i'm a sadly nostalgic fuck...and i have a *cough*myspace*cough* page and am getting the whole "destruction of property" thing from there
06:56 <GodTodd> well...the impetus for it anyway
07:04 <spidey> did scope lose remote admin on shrunkland?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, yes.
07:05 <spidey> awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, there was a kid in my texas government class who said you weren't cool if you didn't have a myspace page
07:05 <spidey> explains why he didn't kick me earlier,too
07:05 <spidey> hahaha
07:05 <spidey> myspace suck
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to ask if I was even cooler than that because I had my own web server, but he dodged the question
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, GodTodd, we'll probably want to eventually have guidelines for some things, like if we do a lot of reviews (there's a review node type), so we can have some minimum quality on those things
07:07 <GodTodd> right
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but this is informal now, see if it works out for us and for the site.  Later, we can rename the site and get a real domain and stuff for it, to reflect that we're in there together.
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <GodTodd> that's kind of how i'm approaching it
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but let's get some readership before we worry too much about that stuff.  :)
07:08 <GodTodd> 'course...like it or not...if done well it could turn into a sort of "e-zine" thing
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:08 <spidey> hmm
07:08 <spidey> tron just locked up
07:08 <spidey> O.o
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> unless you just dream up a really nice name or something.  :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I do like the "Dave's Stupid" theme that's going.  I like it a lot, actually.
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...something along that line....it sticks in the head
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and self-deprecating beats pretentious every time
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <GodTodd> that's why mine is my "little slice of mediocrity" ;)
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
07:09  * Lucifer_arma knew you wouldn't choke on the name, or he wouldn't have asked in the first place.  :)
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07:10 <GodTodd> i find that if you hype things too much then you are setting others up for disappointment...if they don't expect much then you are free to blow them away
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and I used to get emails pretty regularly from people who were blown away
07:11 <GodTodd> i'm sure
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's died off completely now, and I'm a little sad about it :(
07:11 <GodTodd> we'll get it back
07:11 <GodTodd> as long as we haven't lost any of our touch :)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure we will.  :)
07:12  * Lucifer_arma is going to grab another smoke, then write up the article that tells any stray visitors what's going on now
07:12 <GodTodd> i hate society as a general rule so that'll probably be a running theme heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, one minor thing.  The content type you mostly want to use is "story".  Not "page", although there's not a lot of difference between them.
07:12 <GodTodd> ok
07:12 <GodTodd> good to know
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you'll know if what you're writing is special enough to need a different content type.  If you don't know, then "story" is what you want.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> however
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> "quote" puts it in the random quote generator, "quote of the second"
07:14 <GodTodd> and the "articles" dropdown is the section it goes into?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes, with control-click and shift-click working as you'd expect
07:14 <GodTodd> k
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> as a rule, try to use existing categories as much as possible, but if you need new ones, add them
07:15 <GodTodd> right
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> adding new taxonomy is a little on the weird side, though.
07:15 <GodTodd> heh..."Everyone else tries to be clever." that's new :)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> Also, the menu on the left is hand-written, so after you add a new category you have to add the menu item manually.  It's a pain, but I prefer the menu like it is compared to the alternatives I've seen.
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've been updating my site the last couple of days, trying to get it into real shape again, and it's just about there.  :)
07:16 <GodTodd> ok :)
07:16 <GodTodd> looks good so far
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> one thing that needs fixing still is showing pictures in articles.  I want the author's picture to show.  It doesn't have to be a photo, just a regular avatar-like thing is fine
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> so you should upload something pretty soon in case that ever materializes.  I think I broke the node template, or maybe there's a flag somewhere I didn't set quite right.
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I just added a few input filters taht I don't know how to use, but you should be able to do inline pictures now, too, if you need them.
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> also, in case you were wondering.  There won't be a religion category unless you really really really badly need it.  :)  I put religion into "philosophy", but don't talk about it much.
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07:23 <GodTodd> yeah...i prefer if people can't tell from my writing what religion i am....tho it'll probably shine through that it's not really mainstream at times
07:23 <GodTodd> heh
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> Awesome
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> not sure I like it, actually.  Be careful with camel-case words, the freelinking filter wants to make new nodes when you use them.
07:35  * Lucifer_arma is talking about what the freelinking filter did to the name GodTodd in the article he just published.
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you might have noticed the google ads disappeared for you.  At least, I think they did.  That might just be for me,
07:37 <GodTodd> one last initial question (yeah i know that is kind of an oxymoron)...which formatting type is best to use?  i know it defaults to wiki....is that best?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> but the module that handles those automatically disables them for me.
07:37 <GodTodd> nah they're gone for me too
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I made wiki the default because I prefer that one.
07:37 <GodTodd> k
07:37 <GodTodd> i figured
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> it uses phpwiki formatting, so use ! for headers
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a link or something for it.  You should be able to change the one you prefer in your profile.
07:37 <GodTodd> right....i'm *gasp* reading the instructions on it
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is well-supported, and the filtered html is pretty nice if you don't mind using raw html.
07:38 <GodTodd> what'd it do to my name on there?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is new, though.  I just added it a few minutes ago.
07:38  * GodTodd checks.
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> made it a link :)
07:38 <GodTodd> ahhhh
07:38 <GodTodd> lol
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> you might take advantage of that to write your "about me" page and add it to the menu
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> but bbcode is what phpbb and other forum software uses, so if you're used to it, knock yourself out.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> Just be aware the <h1..6> tags are preferred for headings because search engines care about that.
07:39 <GodTodd> right
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki input filter uses them, afaik.  It should.  If it doesn't then we need a new one, heh.
07:39 <GodTodd> heh
07:41 <GodTodd> heh...i always feel weird reading about myself
07:41 <GodTodd> :/
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> it grows on you after awhile.  Back when I first got my Windows vs Linux article linked (which generated thousands of hits every day for several weeks) I found all sorts of referers where people were talking about me
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> most were saying good things, but there were people bitching.  There always is.
07:45 <GodTodd> you can please some of the people some of the time ;)
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> what doesn't please me is that people don't bitch when I intentionally write inflammatory stuff, but they let it out when I write stuff that's not in any way inflammatory
07:46 <GodTodd> heh
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh well.  I guess it's not supposed to make sense
07:46 <GodTodd> w00t....my first edit was successful
07:46 <GodTodd> :)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?  what did you edit?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, new articles default to published, front page.  If you'd prefer to default to unpublished, I can set that.  It's tuned to my workflow right now.
07:47 <GodTodd> the latest article...architectural engineer would bore me to death
07:47 <GodTodd> ;)
07:47 <GodTodd> just had to change it to electrical
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> so we can change the workflow to match it up.
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, sorry.  All these damn engineers.  It's my wife that wants to be an architectural engineer.  :)
07:48 <GodTodd> ahhh :)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> see, I don't just make shit up.  I'm just dylsecix
07:48 <GodTodd> my biological father is an architect...so not too out of the blue heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between an architect and an architectural engineer?
07:48 <GodTodd> dyslexics of the world, untie!
07:49 <GodTodd> not sure
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> architectural engineers are smart
07:49 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> actually, architects are artsy-fartsy types.  The degree for architect is usually out of the fine arts department.
07:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5950 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tValue.cpp tools/tValue.h tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp): Split comparisons out of Conditional into their own subclasses
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> so they sit around and be pretentious, and then architectural engineers turn that into sound structures that can be built without killing anybody
07:50 <GodTodd> 'course BSEE will probably translate to "cubicle coder" eventually so i'm trying to avoid that fate
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, tron flashback
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> can I have your popcorn?
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:50 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <spidey> well
07:51 <spidey> appearently everyone doesn't know i'm blaze
07:51 <spidey> which should be obvious i am
07:51 <spidey> sheh
07:51 <GodTodd> i do
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I do too
07:51 <spidey> i mean people not in this channgel that play tron
07:51 <GodTodd> oh...well say what you mean then heh
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <spidey> hahaha
07:51 <spidey> ok Luke-Jr
07:52 <GodTodd> hey...now *that's* a low blow
07:52 <spidey> :p
07:52  * Luke-Jr coughs
07:52 <spidey> lmao
07:53 <GodTodd> oh...umm...hi Luke-Jr.....ummm....spidey was talking about you....
07:53 <GodTodd> :)
07:53 <spidey> haha
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey just wishes he had my skillz
07:54 <Luke-Jr> ;)
07:54 <spidey> riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
07:54  * spidey coughs
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I don't see you doing anything with Arma other than playing and admining =p
07:54 <Luke-Jr> tho I guess the latter takes some skill
07:54 <spidey> latter?
07:54 <spidey> playng and admining?
07:55 <spidey> what else you want me to do?
07:55 <Luke-Jr> latter would be admining
07:55 <spidey> make little server babies
07:55 <Luke-Jr> well, for example, I'm improving tValue stuffs
07:55 <GodTodd> that's not a good visual
07:55 <spidey> haha
07:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i don't know enough c++ to mess with that :)
07:55 <spidey> example
07:56 <GodTodd> now, spidey, you *do* realize that that's not the only reason we have robotics, right? ;)
07:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: exactly =p
07:56 <spidey> i was looking for the code that minimizes text to 15 charss
07:56 <spidey> didn't find it
07:56 <spidey> >.<
07:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, so what else you want me to do? besides play and admin? :)
07:57 <spidey> fuck it?
07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: so an about me thingee would be submitted as a page?  or still as a story?
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: shrug, nothing =p
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> that would be a page
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: those are the skillz you wish you had =p
07:58 <GodTodd> k...thought that's how i was reading it
07:59 <spidey> Luke-Jr, why would i wish to set myself on your path????
07:59 <spidey> that'ss fuckin social suicide man
08:01 <Luke-Jr> as if social is important
08:01 <spidey> exactly!
08:01  * spidey tells Luke-Jr to go meet some chick
08:02 <spidey> now
08:02 <spidey> if you'll excuse me
08:02 <spidey> i have to sleep
08:02 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I'm married
08:02 <spidey> because tomorrow i have a "life" to catch up on
08:03 <spidey> actually i have a year an a half of life to catch up on
08:03 <GodTodd> a life....i used to have one of those *sigh*
08:03 <spidey> so did i
08:03 <spidey> now i'm getting it back :p
08:03 <spidey> because in 4 months i have to grow up :(
08:05 <Vanhayes> getting your GED and a job isnt growing up
08:05 <spidey> no
08:05 <spidey> but if i want to keep my girlfriend i do :)
08:06 <spidey> i think she's tired of talking on the phone/internet >.<
08:06 <Vanhayes> when was the last time you saw her?
08:06 <spidey> hmm
08:06 <spidey> about
08:06 <spidey> december
08:06 <spidey> maybe
08:07 <Vanhayes> ...
08:07 <spidey> probably november
08:07 <Vanhayes> um does she live on the other side of the country?
08:07 <spidey> no?
08:07 <spidey> she lives intown
08:09 <Vanhayes> I dont understand
08:09 <spidey> well
08:09 <spidey> she works
08:09 <spidey> at night
08:09 <spidey> i'm asleep when she's home
08:09 <spidey> so i'm going to sleep tonight,then we're going somewhere tomorrow
08:10 <spidey> just don't know where, she wouldn't tell me >.<
08:10 <spidey> now,goodnight i have to get up at 6am and stay up the whole day :(
08:10 <spidey> #time
08:10 <armabot> spidey: 01:11 AM, August 03, 2006
08:10 <spidey> bah
08:11 <spidey> #night
08:11 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> neat
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: check out the control panel :)
08:23 <GodTodd> anything i'm looking for in particular?
08:25 <GodTodd> wow...that's pretty neat :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, just that it's pretty neat :)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder where it gets its icons, it would be nice if it had more icons
08:28 <GodTodd> yeah it would
08:33 <Vanhayes> #night
08:33 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:50 <GodTodd> ok...i've done the obligatory "about me" page....in "Articles:" do i just select "About Me" and just make sure the parent menu item is "about"?
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I think :)
09:03 <GodTodd> k
09:04 <GodTodd> ok...that one's there now
09:04 <GodTodd> :)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/sitemenu  <-- how does that look?
09:05 <GodTodd> i'd tell you, but it's a nazi page ;)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit
09:05 <GodTodd> heh
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> now try :)
09:06  * Lucifer_arma forgets about access restrictions sometimes
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's only enabled for admins right now
09:06 <GodTodd> looks good
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now there should be a block on the left
09:08 <GodTodd> yep
09:09 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:09 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Phasers locked on target, Captain.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> not sure what I think about the block, it shows "Articles" at the top and it really kinda shouldn't if there's only one node type in there
09:10 <GodTodd> true
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> aha, you can weight individual terms
09:12 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw that on the submissions thing
09:12 <GodTodd> same deal?
09:12 <GodTodd> bigger the weight the further down it is?
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> soooo, hm.
09:15  * Lucifer_arma is looking at the other menu now trying to figure out if it can be replaced
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely think I'd rather have something autogenerated, so we can just add new terms
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't let us add nodes to the menu
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, we could take everything out of that menu except the "About this site" stuff
09:20 <GodTodd> true
09:24 <GodTodd> going dropdown?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> yep, problem solved :)
09:25 <GodTodd> :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> now we just need to figure out what to put in that menu since it's function has completely changed
09:26 <GodTodd> the dropdown?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the dropdown
09:27 <GodTodd> hmmm k
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it looks good like it is, but there's the Articles menu over there now...
09:28 <GodTodd> right
09:29 <GodTodd> what kind of function are you envisioning for the dropdown menu?
09:29 <GodTodd> anything yet?
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I'm going to bed pretty soon
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, site stuff
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> like, about me, contact, home
09:30 <GodTodd> k
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> stuff that's for users to administer themselves on the site and generally not linked to content
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, I used to have this sort of layout where categories went down the side and site stuff went along the top.  I sacrificed that with mambo.
09:30 <GodTodd> then it's good that it's got more visibility :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> apparently now I can have it back :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the site's been a little tricky to navigate for awhile
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> wtf, I deleted those items and now they're in the navigation menu!  :(
09:36 <GodTodd> wow...that's...different
09:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5951 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 5 dirs): An initial form of tValueParser-- not quite sure how to test this, but it looks like it works
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fixed, sort of
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> figured out what happened.  I deleted the parent items, and the children were taken out of the menu like you'd expect.
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> Then they defaulted to navigation if they don't have a parent
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> so I disabled them so you can't see them, I'll delete them later
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think the top menu should *be* navigation instead
09:39 <GodTodd> ahhhhh i see
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> only problem, if you're not logged in, I think navigation shows a login form
09:39 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: if it works, why can't you test it?
09:40 <GodTodd> the navigation heading has freelinks and site map under it
09:40 <wrtlprnft> poor jonathan, his page gets copied over and over again
09:40 <GodTodd> those are above the login boxes
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, looks like user login is a different block, that's good
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...logged out to make sure :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> saw that :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now to figure out some css with it, move a couple of menu items, disable a couple more
09:49 <GodTodd> Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent.
09:49 <GodTodd> hh
09:49 <GodTodd> heh*
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> background-color: none; should get rid of the background, right?
09:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
09:56 <wrtlprnft> background-color:transparent;
09:56 <wrtlprnft> that'll get rid of it if there's no image
09:57 <wrtlprnft> background-image: none; should get rid of the image IIRC
09:57 <wrtlprnft> so you probably want background: none transparent;
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> didn't work.  :(
09:58 <wrtlprnft> try !important?
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> nope.  :(
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my website, the menu at the top
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
10:01 <GodTodd> you tried "background: transparent"?
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can look at the stylesheet:
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/themes/davefancella/style.css
10:04 <wrtlprnft> you sure the background is on the .nice-menu?
10:04 <wrtlprnft> it could be on the parent or a child
10:05 <wrtlprnft> .nice-menu is an ul, and I don't see anything that would even apply a background to uls
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't know where it's at
10:05 <wrtlprnft> what bg do you wanna get rid of?
10:05 <GodTodd> background: none transparent !important; <---- you tried that without 'none'?
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> div class="block block-nice_menus" id="block-nice_menus-3"   <--- there's a div up there
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> eah, I tried it without 'none'
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get rid of a background you can't see, actually, because you're not an administrator
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's another menu in the left, with the blue links in the left, and the same white background in the top
10:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue :(
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> here's the source css:
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/modules/nice_menus/nice_menus.css
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> aha, got it for one
10:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I dunno how =p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: just go into some rPerFramTask and put some test code there
10:11 <wrtlprnft> i always use display_cockpit_lucifer for that
10:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
10:11 <wrtlprnft> have it parse some hardcoded formula and output the result to stderr
10:13 <Luke-Jr> i c
10:13 <Luke-Jr> like how I split Condition?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok that's it for now, I'm going to bed.  I'll fool with it again tomorrow night, maybe even get it "done" :)
10:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, the code I have seems to work :)
10:20 <Luke-Jr> think we can unify callback/config/function into a single API?
10:20 <Luke-Jr> or at least callback/function
10:22  * Luke-Jr thinks we should make a factory for tValue types, make every callback/function into a tValue subclass, and make config classes a subclass of tValue too
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> config options might be general
10:23 <wrtlprnft> callbacks should be supplied as a list
10:23 <akira> greetings
10:23 <Luke-Jr> as a list?
10:23 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit callbacks don't make sense for other thingss
10:23 <Luke-Jr> hm
10:23 <wrtlprnft> err, map of course
10:23 <wrtlprnft> hi akira 
10:23 <akira> had to have alook into the arma channel  at last ;)
10:24 <wrtlprnft> hehe
10:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so we'd need a classifier for the factory of a sort
10:25 <Luke-Jr> so the factory would need info on the name, flags, and creation of the class
10:25 <Luke-Jr> flags would be stuff like if it's directly callable (as a function), or "for cockpit use only"
10:25 <wrtlprnft> the factories would only work for similar kinds of tValues
10:26 <wrtlprnft> like, all operators with an lvalue and rvalue
10:26 <Luke-Jr> not necessarily
10:26 <Luke-Jr> I presume boost has something for a variable number of arguments
10:26 <wrtlprnft> x_x
10:27 <Luke-Jr> so we could standardize a ::ReCreate or such that use it
10:27 <Luke-Jr> a simple array could probably work, actually
10:30 <wrtlprnft> call me crazy, but I'm gonna turn this into a map --> http://www.tron-sector.com/images/Backdrop.gif
10:32 <Luke-Jr> hopefully not by hand
10:34 <wrtlprnft> well
10:34 <wrtlprnft> any other ideas?
10:35 <Luke-Jr> write a script to do it? =p
10:35 <Luke-Jr> would probably be easier
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11:07 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
11:07 <wrtlprnft> slow and painful :s
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13:55 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png <-- almost finsihed :)
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13:59 <DrJoeTron> low key today
14:05 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
14:05 <wrtlprnft> any suggestions before I upload it?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> you have got to be fucking kidding me.
14:06 <DrJoeTron> this is genious
14:06 <wrtlprnft> it's a map
14:06 <DrJoeTron> how big?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> the map?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> oh i saw
14:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 550x550
14:07 <DrJoeTron> hmm
14:07 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter, there's SIZE_FACTOR
14:07 <DrJoeTron> thats what im talking about
14:07 <DrJoeTron> how big is it going to be :p
14:08 <wrtlprnft> it's 94KB
14:08 <wrtlprnft> not sure yet
14:08 <wrtlprnft> I'll uplaod it and make a server :D
14:08 <DrJoeTron> this is just insane
14:09 <wrtlprnft> GREAT
14:09 <wrtlprnft> ERROR: Cannot find resource temporary file! Perhaps the resource submission has already been completed? Perhaps your resource file is way too big? If not, please try again. If the problem persists, or if you want to add a way-too-big resource, contact Luke-Jr
14:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr Luke-Jr grrr
14:09 <DrJoeTron> like screaming jumping out of 20 story buildings crazy
14:11 <DrJoeTron> im downloading that warsaw game from the boards
14:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i missedd that bandwagon already
14:11 <wrtlprnft> now i brought it down to 67KB by removing whitespace and it still refuses
14:12 <DrJoeTron> you know what to do
14:12 <DrJoeTron> slip a couple bills into the cd drive ;) for convincing
14:13 <wrtlprnft> what's way to big about 25KB? That seems to be the upper limit
14:14 <wrtlprnft> *too
14:16 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
14:17 <DrJoeTron> i think i have an idea
14:17 <DrJoeTron> why dont you save it as a jpeg.
14:17 <DrJoeTron> then convert it
14:17 <DrJoeTron> to a png
14:18 <wrtlprnft> nonono
14:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to upload the image
14:18 <wrtlprnft> the text file as it's a map
14:18 <DrJoeTron> OH
14:18 <DrJoeTron> i was extremely puzzled on what you were trying to do exactly :p
14:19 <wrtlprnft> and I wanna get it onto the resource repository
14:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/tronsector.aamap.xml wants to be moved to the repository
14:21 <wrtlprnft> or alternatively change the filesize limit
14:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm, this map needs a waay better CPU/GPU than mine
14:29 <wrtlprnft> I get like 1.3 FPS
14:36 <wrtlprnft> I soo much wanted to have this map on CTWF with two zones... but I guess it would throw out most of the clients
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14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: error when compiling the trunk:
14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/113208
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17:25 <DrJoeTron> time to take up a 2nd language
17:25 <DrJoeTron> i'm thinking spanish, since thats what half of the population speaks here
17:27 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:27 <DrJoeTron> time to torrent rosetta stone 
17:27 <linuxlizzard> I'd go french but thats just me
17:29 <DrJoeTron> well i know SOME spanish
17:29 <DrJoeTron> should i go with latin america or spain?
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spin
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spain*
17:29 <DrJoeTron> good choice
17:32 <DrJoeTron> better kill the server
17:33 <DrJoeTron> come on you stupid seeders, seed me
17:35 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:35 <DrJoeTron> they heard me :)
17:35 <DrJoeTron> bah i dont wanna get daemon tools
17:35 <DrJoeTron> il just try and use nero
17:40 <DrJoeTron> well i just had the dumbest conversation
17:40 <linuxlizzard> sounds liek fun
17:42 <DrJoeTron> with tinass
17:42 <DrJoeTron> tit*
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:42 <DrJoeTron> who ever strikes the whole "d00d macs are better than pc" or "d00d, pc's are better than mac"
17:42 <DrJoeTron> you can just die
17:42 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:42 <DrJoeTron> because that is the dumbest arguement ever
17:42 <linuxlizzard> because we all know, as long as it has linux on it, its good ;)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> nerd!
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :P
17:42 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :D
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17:42 <DrJoeTron> and it went on for too long
17:42 <DrJoeTron> i just wanted to eat my food
17:42 <DrJoeTron> but no
17:42 <DrJoeTron> that couldnt happen
17:42 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:43 <DrJoeTron> hmm
17:43 <DrJoeTron> i think il get the newest vb episode while im at it
17:43 <linuxlizzard> vb...
17:43 <DrJoeTron> venture bros
17:43 <linuxlizzard> ah
17:45 <linuxlizzard> and I'll get back to playing the piano and watching stargate...
17:45 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:46 <DrJoeTron> i've learned the stupidest things on piano
17:58 <guru3> DrJoeTron: what did you learn on the piano?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the error you got means it's too big for PHP to accept...
17:59 <DrJoeTron> lots of video game medleys
17:59 <DrJoeTron> bubble bobble and most of mike tysons punch out :p
17:59 <guru3> lol
17:59 <guru3> figures
18:00 <DrJoeTron> :D
18:00 <DrJoeTron> tetris too :p
18:00 <guru3> ive only learned some of the original mario theme
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, how do the forums and the wiki work then?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> I can upload 100KB attachments there
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and I think the default limit is something like 2MB
18:03 <Luke-Jr> shrug
18:03 <Luke-Jr> anyway, not many maps are > 25 K
18:03 <Luke-Jr> since those require better GPUs
18:03 <wrtlprnft> and CPUs
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can you manually add that one?
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5952 /tools/map-preview/trunk/README.txt: Updated bugs section with info about duplicate points
18:04 <Luke-Jr> your compile error suggests to me a BISON bug of some sort
18:04 <Luke-Jr> in your version of BISON
18:05 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:05 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] sys-devel/bison-2.1  USE="nls -static" 0 kB
18:05 <Luke-Jr> weird
18:06 <Luke-Jr> maybe GCC?
18:06 <Luke-Jr> in my .cpp file, there's a ifndef malloc around that line
18:06 <wrtlprnft>  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 *
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
18:08 <DrJoeTron> oh god
18:08 <Luke-Jr> UGH!
18:09 <Luke-Jr> who ran astyle or whatever on upload.suid-php???
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5953 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: some defaults? ;)
18:10 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:10 <Luke-Jr> erm
18:10 <Luke-Jr> that wasn't the right message
18:10  * Luke-Jr stabs svn
18:10 <wrtlprnft> that was an old one
18:11 <wrtlprnft> I didn't
18:11 <wrtlprnft> though I might have ran %retab 100
18:11 <Luke-Jr> or that >:O
18:15 <Luke-Jr> there, sed fixes most of it
18:16 <wrtlprnft> fixes?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> it looked fine to me
18:16 <wrtlprnft> no tabs at all
18:16 <Luke-Jr> that's the problem
18:16 <Luke-Jr> tabs are correct for indenting
18:16 <wrtlprnft> annoying like hell
18:17 <Luke-Jr> only if you use crappy text editors :p
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5954 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Indentation is to use tab chararacters, please keep it that way
18:17 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:17 <Luke-Jr> anyway
18:18 <Luke-Jr> you should be able to run upload.suid-php with ?filef=/tmp/tronsector.aamap.xml
18:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5955 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Fixed infinite recursion loop and memory eater when very long messages should be sent to the remote admin.
18:18 <Luke-Jr> to add tronsector
18:19 <Luke-Jr> hrm, oops
18:19 <Luke-Jr> 1 sec
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5956 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: disable size limit on local uploads
18:21 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <Luke-Jr> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:21 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <armabot> Luke-Jr: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:21 <Luke-Jr> there
18:21 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
18:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that means i can put any file into my home dir?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> and upload it
18:23 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:23 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: in theory
18:25 <Luke-Jr> I need to go
18:25 <Luke-Jr> any problems, I remind you that you have commit access to upload-suid =p
18:26 <Luke-Jr> just don't abuse it and stuff, but that's obvious =p
18:27 <DrJoeTron> bastard tetris people
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18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5957 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Hmm, what about using the size limit for remote files and not for local files instead of vice versa?!
18:33 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:33 <wrtlprnft> finally...
18:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:34 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/ <-- look at the tronsector thumb
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the greatest- looking map preview thumbnail ever
18:35 <wrtlprnft> now I just need to find some supercomputer to play it on, I don't think any end user machine in existance will be able to run arma with that map at a reasonable framerate
18:54 <spidey> man
18:54 <spidey> i just had the worse fucking day ever
18:54 <wrtlprnft> wo
19:00 <spidey> [0] The resource file loaded from "wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml" wants to be at "wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml". Possible resolutions:
19:00 <spidey> a) If you are not the author of the resource, you should move it to the right place given above and adapt the reference pointing to it.
19:00 <spidey> b) If you are the author and want the file to stay where it is, you can modify its <Resource> tag so it wants to be where you put it. Consult the documentation on how to do that.
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: !
19:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, the Luke-Jr was an accident
19:02 <wrtlprnft> but that warning shouldn't happen
19:02 <spidey> it crashed the server
19:02 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:02 <wrtlprnft> probably bad handling of an empty category tag
19:03 <spidey> so how do i load the map?
19:03 <spidey> send it to me
19:03 <wrtlprnft> it is already there
19:03 <wrtlprnft> in resource/automatic
19:03 <wrtlprnft> or http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:04 <spidey> ok
19:04 <spidey> lets see if i can run it
19:04 <spidey> first
19:05 <spidey> how do i use nohup again?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> nohup and then the command
19:05 <wrtlprnft> or use screen which is waay better
19:05 <spidey> so nohup arma* &
19:05 <spidey> ?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:05 <spidey> server doesn't have screen
19:06 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:06 <spidey> how do i kill all arma processes?
19:07 <spidey> i'm run the map local seeing as i got twice the machine my webserver does
19:07 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad
19:08 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# no hup armagetronad-dedicated &
19:08 <spidey> [1] 18480
19:08 <spidey> nohup: appending output to `nohup.out'
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# ca t nohup.out
19:08 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <spidey> /usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:09 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <wrtlprnft> umm
19:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe give it the path?
19:14 <spidey> o
19:14 <spidey> ok
19:14 <spidey> it's working only
19:14 <spidey> it's holding onto the shell
19:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:17 <spidey> it's not starting :/
19:17 <spidey> [0] Nobody there. Taking a nap...
19:17 <spidey> [0] Timestamp: 2006/08/03 18:18:00
19:17 <spidey> [1]+ Stopped nohup /home/acid/aa/armagetron/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
19:17 <spidey> i had this problem before
19:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma told me something and it worked
19:18 <spidey> i just can't remember
19:18 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
19:18 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:18 <wrtlprnft> search for nohup or whatever
19:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't get the error on my server...
19:19 <spidey> how far back them chatlogs go?
19:19 <spidey> it doesn't have it
19:23 <spidey> well
19:23 <spidey> appearently it's starting
19:23 <spidey> but i can't connect to it >.<
19:24 <spidey> ok
19:24 <spidey> so i start it without nohup
19:24 <spidey> it works fine
19:24 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
19:26 <spidey> ok
19:27 <spidey> i'ma try this 2 ways
19:27 <spidey> 1 i'ma run it on my local server
19:27 <spidey> if it messes up i'll put it on this one
19:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft look for map test
19:34 <spidey> on the master server list
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> nohup armagetronad-dedicated &  <--- very important to put the & there
19:38 <spidey> it had the &
19:39 <guru3> if ctrl z stops a job
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> nohup is one word
19:39 <guru3> what is the ctrl sequence to just put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> no hup armagetronad-dedicated &  <--- nohup is ONE WORD
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't know there was a control sequence to put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I do know this:
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna get an A in calc 2!  :)
19:40 <spidey> wrtlprnft
19:40 <guru3> ahh
19:40 <guru3> you can do bg
19:40  * Lucifer_arma got a 100 on his last test
19:40 <guru3> right after you stop it
19:40 <guru3> cool beans x)
19:40 <guru3> old skool job control rocks
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, let's see
19:40 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0">
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 62 + 100)
19:40 <armabot> 87 + 62 + 100 = 249
19:40 <spidey> that mean it only works with that version
19:40 <spidey> ?
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 / 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 / 0.9 = 444.444444
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 444.44 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 444.44 - 249 = 195.44
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I did something wrong
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 * 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 * 0.9 = 360
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 360 - 249 = 111
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I need to get 111 on the final
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 62+11
19:42 <armabot> 62 + 11 = 73
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> and 73 on the make up test that will be given after the final and will replace the lowest test score
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 85 + 100)
19:42 <armabot> 87 + 85 + 100 = 272
19:42 <spidey> ./usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 272
19:43 <armabot> 360 - 272 = 88
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> give it the path, spidey
19:43 <spidey> i'm in the dir
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> if I max out the make up test, I only need an 88 on the final
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> then give it ./armagetronad-dedicated
19:43 <spidey> ?
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> YOU'RE NOT USING WINDOWS AND DON'T FORGET IT
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> nohup ./armagetronad-dedicated &
19:43 <spidey> actually
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> in bash, typically, the current path is not in $PATH
19:43 <spidey> i am using windows with putty
19:43 <spidey> ;x
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you're just using another cheap terminal, whatever
19:44 <guru3> what does nohub do?
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> nohup lets you run a program that detaches from the shell
19:44 <spidey> ahhh
19:44 <spidey> thanks :D
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you can logout after it starts and the program keeps running :)
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> normal job control stuff doesn't let you do that, the job still requires the shell
19:44 <spidey> now for wrtls map
19:44 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0"> << does that mean it only works on 2.8.0
19:44 <spidey> ?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> no?
19:45 <spidey> hmm
19:45 <spidey> i downloaded it and i keep getting this error
19:45  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know exactly what that means if you're running anything but 0.2.8
19:45 <spidey> that it wants to be loaded from wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> it also looks like a typo, there is no armagetron advanced anything that's versioned 2.8
19:46 <spidey> there's no 2.8.0?
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> he probably forgot to fill in the category
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's no 2.8.0
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> there is, however, 0.2.8.0
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.1
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.2
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.3 will be out sometime
19:46 <spidey> <Resource type="aamap" name="tronsector" version="0.0.1" author="wrtlprnft" category="">
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> see?  category is blank
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's supposed to be supported, and it's supposed to work.  If it doesn't, it's a bug.
19:48 <spidey> lets try this again
19:52 <spidey> bah
19:55 <spidey> [1] Command RESOUCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER unknown.
19:55 <spidey> nvm!
19:55 <spidey> lemme note
19:55 <nemostultae> you spelled RESOURCE wrong
19:55 <spidey> my spelling will kill me one day
19:56 <spidey> ok
19:56 <spidey> here we go
19:56 <spidey> :s
19:57 <spidey> hmm
19:57 <spidey> weird
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to the dentist:  I meant that I ate a rock candy!  Not that I need a root canal!
19:57 <spidey> wait
19:57 <spidey> does arma need a special server to download resources?
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> not if you use Luke-Jr's resource repository
19:58 <spidey> because it's telling me it can't download it
19:58 <spidey> well
19:58 <spidey> i was using my webserver
19:58 <spidey> because i don't have a account on lukes
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his boss:  I meant that she was a great helper, not a straight hooker!
20:00 <spidey> lol
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: blank categories are supposed to be allowed
20:01 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't strip the double /
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his new boss:  I meant that your wife had really good rice, not that she had really bad lice!
20:02 <spidey> lol
20:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I don't get any error like that
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his old boss:  I meant that I wanted my job back, not that I wanted to smoke crack!
20:03 <wrtlprnft> just 3FPS on my fastest machine that usually gives me around 300
20:04 <wrtlprnft> with all the fancy graphics options disabled
20:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft i do
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, too many walls
20:04 <spidey> ok i got it
20:04 <spidey> goto server map test, haha
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> I found that with my maze generator I couldn't go much higher than a 25x25 maze or fps were killed
20:04 <spidey> i get 9 fps
20:04 <spidey> :s
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> even so, some of the folks with slower computers only got 3-6fps
20:04 <wrtlprnft> and now it crashed!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that maps has a size of 90KB
20:05 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can't see that server
20:06 <spidey> :/
20:07 <spidey> way to many damned walls
20:07 <spidey> D
20:07 <spidey> :D
20:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft my local server runs it fine
20:08 <spidey> just my gfx can't handle it
20:16 <wrtlprnft> i guess I need to wait a few years until people actually have the capacity to play that map
20:17 <spidey> i should be able to when i get my gfx card
20:17 <spidey> which
20:17 <spidey> my mom said she'd pay the other half :D
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20:18 <|CruZ|> hi
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that map has 1980 walls
20:18 <DrJoeTron> can i play on it?
20:19 <spidey> hm
20:19 <spidey> lets try this
20:19 <wrtlprnft> if spidey gets the server back up...
20:19 <spidey> k
20:19 <spidey> sec
20:20 <wrtlprnft> i'm afraid my server won't be able to host that
20:20 <wrtlprnft> make sure you give LOTS of rubber
20:20 <spidey> wtf
20:20 <spidey> anyone seeU.S.Fortress on the master server?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.stm  <--- better send it back before you're found on the road, dead
20:21 <wrtlprnft> only US dogfight
20:21 <spidey> >.<
20:21 <wrtlprnft> STM?!
20:21 <DrJoeTron> ah
20:21 <DrJoeTron> what?
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20:22 <Lucifer_arma> stm?  what did stm do?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.STM
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.>>>>STM<<<<
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok, heh
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean cypher hacked the beeb?
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20:25 <wrtlprnft> now, what is STM?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Master of Sacred Theology
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Savings, taxation and imports in economics
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Scanning tunneling microscope
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Short-term memory
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Soci�t� de transport de Montr�al
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5242638.stm  <--- Madonna looks hot again, first time in years
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Software transactional memory, a method of handling concurrency in multithreaded systems
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Sunday Times Magazine
20:26 <wrtlprnft> St Thomas More College
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Stabilisation Tracking Mechanism
20:26 <spidey> ok
20:26 <spidey> joe
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Synchronous Transport Module, used as a Frame Format in Synchronous Digital Hierarchy
20:26 <wrtlprnft> In publishing, "STM publishing" means the scientific, technical and medical field of publishing.
20:26 <spidey> custom connect to
20:26 <wrtlprnft> STMicroelectronics, a worldwide semiconductor company.
20:26 <spidey> fallina-angels.com
20:26 <wrtlprnft> .stm, a Scream Tracker module file format.
20:26 <spidey> defualt port
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20:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey can't even spell his own domain, poor guy
20:27 <spidey> :/
20:27 <DrJoeTron> ok so what is it
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ip doesn't resolve
20:27 <linuxlizzard> erm
20:27 <DrJoeTron> default port
20:27 <DrJoeTron> fallen?
20:27 <spidey> custom connect to fallin-angels.com
20:27 <wrtlprnft> *domain name
20:27 <spidey> haha
20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:27 <spidey> :D
20:27 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ping fallin-angles.com                                       ~
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host fallin-angles.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping www.fallin-angles.com                                 ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host www.fallin-angles.com
20:28 <spidey> YOU misspelled it that time
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20:28 <spidey> fallin-angels.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping google.com                                            ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> PING google.com (64.233.187.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> ack
20:29 <DrJoeTron> doesnt work
20:29 <wrtlprnft> I think we should analyze the crashes with that map
20:29 <DrJoeTron> port 4534
20:29 <spidey> ya joe
20:29 <wrtlprnft> 20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:29 <spidey> i said it crashed
20:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah no dice
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20:29 <DrJoeTron> oh ok
20:29 <DrJoeTron> thanks
20:29 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:29 <wrtlprnft> restart it?
20:29 <spidey> k
20:29 <spidey> everyone go in the server this time before hand :p
20:30 <wrtlprnft> until it crashes again
20:30 <spidey> it's started
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5241294.stm  <--- bbc pimping symantec?  bastards!
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done reading the news
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20:32 <wrtlprnft> client crashed
20:32 <linuxlizzard> ya mine too
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> I asked my wife if she wanted to see my linux lizzard
20:32 <linuxlizzard> hah
20:32 <spidey> ok
20:32 <spidey> offical
20:32 <spidey> to many walls :D
20:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like something's crashy about that map
20:33 <spidey> even joe has 6fps
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't crash anyways
20:33 <spidey> it hasn't yet
20:33 <wrtlprnft> even with millions of walls
20:33 <Compn> you guys testing new maps somewhere?
20:33 <Compn> on any server?
20:33 <Compn> :)
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you can spell the domain right
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml <-- we're testing that one
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> so it's a combination spidey spelling and map test
20:33 <linuxlizzard> oh so thats why
20:34 <linuxlizzard> ;)
20:34 <Compn> i mean... put it on a server and lets test it together
20:34 <Compn> not locally! internetally!
20:34 <wrtlprnft> I'll put it on mine
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20:34 <Compn> with some tubes
20:34 <spidey> it's on the net
20:34 <Compn> internet tubes
20:34 <spidey> dood
20:34 <Compn> hehe
20:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft it's not my spelling
20:34 <spidey> i triple checked
20:34 <spidey> it won't load from there
20:34 <spidey> to many "/"
20:34 <wrtlprnft> go to "stonehenge! ancient world!"
20:35 <DrJoeTron> 4fps
20:35 <DrJoeTron> good god
20:35 <spidey> haha
20:35 <spidey> it won't let me connect
20:35 <spidey> @ wrtlprnft
20:36 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it already crashed
20:36 <spidey> haha
20:36 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:36 <wrtlprnft> at least it auto- restarts
20:37 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5958 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added build rule to process tValueParser.ypp. The bison that comes with Mac OS X does not work -- you must install a newer version.
20:37 <linuxlizzard> .ypp ;P
20:38 <Compn> doh
20:38 <Compn> i think server crash again?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> it's still running
20:38 <wrtlprnft> but hopelessly screwed
20:38 <Compn> ah
20:39 <wrtlprnft> taking up 80MB of RAM
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and seems to be too busy to reply to incoming connects
20:41 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge is up again, feel free to join
20:42 <spidey> hmm
20:42 <spidey> i would put it on this computer
20:43 <spidey> but
20:43 <spidey> CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz, 512 KB (2% Load) Memory: 217/504 MB
20:43 <spidey> it's the best one i got :/
20:43 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: kicking?
20:43 <spidey> the server has a 2.40ghz celeron with 256mb ram
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, I was about to take a dump, what's up GodTodd ?
20:44 <Compn> 0 fps
20:44 <spidey> haha
20:45 <GodTodd> just wondering if there's any sort of "approval" process for articles for the site
20:45 <GodTodd> ie...do you wanna read them before i put them up?
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's up to you entirely.  Defualt is new articles are published.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to go through a small editorial process, leave it unpublished and it'll be marked as such.  Just tell me what your process is.  :)
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. do you want it to be "You throw on an edit, dave, and if you think it's ready publish it"
20:46 <GodTodd> k...and promote to front page puts the little preview on home, right?
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> or do you want "I'll publish when I'm ready, take a look sometime dave"
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's right.  That's also the default setting.
20:46 <GodTodd> k
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20:46 <Lucifer_arma> Those settings can be changed, that's just my workflow that's set there.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want them different, no problem.  :)
20:47 <GodTodd> well...i assume that if you have a problem with it you'll let me know :)
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> I can just about guarantee my only problems will be grammar and spelling :)
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20:47 <GodTodd> same as mine :)
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20:47 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, I need to install the spell checker.  I'm disappointed with my own spelling :(
20:48 <GodTodd> misspelled words irk me
20:48 <GodTodd> heh
20:52 <wrtlprnft> client crashed again
20:53 <wrtlprnft> at least this map should be good for fixing crashes
20:53 <wrtlprnft> or for profiling
20:53 <Compn> for burning cpu
20:53 <Compn> wrtlprnft : what speed cpu you playing on?
20:53 <Compn> i cant get 1 fps on 900mhz ;\
20:54 <Compn> but ya cut it in half
20:55 <GodTodd> blergity blergity blergity boo
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the server has a 400MHz CPU
20:55 <Compn> client client client
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the client is a P4 3.4GHz with HT
20:55 <Compn> i got an old riva tnt 16mb agp video card tho
20:55 <Compn> nice
20:55 <wrtlprnft> not that HT would help at all with arma
20:55 <Compn> its all about hte opengl support of your card ;p
20:56 <wrtlprnft> the card is an Nvidia GF 6610 XL
20:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5959 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Use BISON enviroment variable. It defaults to /opt/local/bin/bison.
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, the spell checker is a bit outdated
21:00 <GodTodd> published the first article...not my best work but serviceable i suppose :)
21:01 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: what version of BISON do I need to compile the trunk?
21:02 <nemostultae> I have version 2.2
21:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i have 2.1 and it doesn't work
21:02 <wrtlprnft> I'll try emerging 2.2
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> gets better with practice, writing for a website is different than regular essay writing, I think.  I find it easier, but that's because I try to write articles the same way I write email.
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> just imagine if you were unfortunate enough to communicate with me via email.  :)
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> even so, my oldest articles on the site look about like that.  :)  A little thin, but the message is there.
21:05 <GodTodd> that's kind of what i was shooting for....figured it should be more conversational
21:05 <GodTodd> yeah
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> you can always go back and edit it later if you feel bad about it.  I normally don't, I usually just write a new article that incorporates the old one and references it.
21:06 <GodTodd> i think that's the best way
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> but there's nothing that says once an article is published it's set in stone.  I think that would be unreasonable.  But if you do go back and edit it or any other article, make sure to bump it back to the front page somehow.
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if it's a serious edit.  If it's just minor corrections, no need to bother.
21:08 <GodTodd> definitely
21:09 <spidey> hey wrtlprnft
21:09 <GodTodd> how long do they stay in preview on the front? is it a time thing or more of a "move it to make room for new stuff" thing?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> hey spidey 
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> also, don't be shy about asking for an editor if you're concerned about it.  I've never had an editor myself, personally, so I might be shy about it just out of habit, but we'll see.
21:09 <spidey> wanna see if a ati radeon 9800 se can handle that map?
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's a set limit on how many are on the front, and old ones get moved in favor of new ones.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, give me a screenshot :P
21:09 <GodTodd> k
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> But there's a pager at the bottom, so you can always see everything that ever was on the front page.
21:09 <spidey> i got a friend with one
21:10 <spidey> sec
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, fat should be trimmed off the front.  I prefer to do that by deleting the node, or disabling front page by default on that node type.
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> like quotes.  If you go to add a quote (which you should do just to get a feel for it), you'll notice they don't default to showing on the front page.  :)
21:11 <GodTodd> :)
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> when I used the audio module, it also didn't default to showing on the front page, but I'm not using that anymore.  It's not good enough.
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> but you get the idea.  If it's a real article type, it should be on the front.  If it's a node type that's not a real article, it doesn't, but it should be linked from an article or else why is it there to begin with?
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> if you see some older articles that have "show on front page" unchecked, you should check that box while you're there.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> When I first set up the site, I had to manually import everything from a backup .sql file, which was a pain, but it resulted in all the old content being marked as brand new
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> So to deal with it, I marked most of it as "don't show on front page" until I got past that time.  Well, we're past that time, but I don't know for sure that I went back and fixed it.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> but I generally want every article written to be accessible through the pager at the bottom of the front page.
21:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: do you have a friend with a quad- SLI renderer?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> that might actually eat it
21:14 <GodTodd> sounds reasonable
21:19 <GodTodd> Most legislators are so dumb that they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
21:19 <GodTodd> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, looks like bison 2.2 fixed it. Can you add a check to configure and take care that make clean deletes src/tValueParser.cpp?
21:22 <spidey> wrtlprnft http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/209b7a0959.jpg
21:22 <spidey> that's what the ati radeon 9800 se has to say about your map
21:23 <spidey> meaning
21:23 <spidey> you're gonna have to wait more than a few years
21:23 <spidey> heh
21:24 <wrtlprnft> no quad- SLI?
21:24 <spidey> dunno
21:24 <wrtlprnft> ie 4 graphic cards in one machine
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or 4 GPUs
21:25 <spidey> oh
21:25 <spidey> no just the radeon
21:25 <spidey> maybe a dual core can handle it
21:25 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:25 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/03/gamepro-tv-episode-1-1991/
21:25 <wrtlprnft> arma doesn't make any use of threads
21:25 <wrtlprnft> except for sound
21:25 <DrJoeTron> hope you like nostalgia :D
21:26 <spidey> hm
21:26 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should just stop rendering a single wall as many polygons
21:31 <nemostultae> z-man has mentioned he wants to rewrite the engine to be more efficient.
21:33 <wrtlprnft> hope it'll be soon and 0.3.1- only :)
21:34 <wrtlprnft> then people will actually switch to it because it's more efficient
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22:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just told my son that if he ever finds pirate treasure, he needs to figure out who the pirates stole it from and give it back to them
22:09 <Compn> why isnt it rendered just as a line
22:09 <Compn> ?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> walls?
22:09 <Compn> nm
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22:30 <DrJoeTron> TiS just asked to stay at my house for the weekend for lalapalooza
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9927.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> I want a Drupal node type that's just a redirect
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22:49 <Self_Destructo> hey guys...
22:49 <DrJoeTron> hullo thar
22:49 <Self_Destructo> is there a way to limit the number of spectators allowed?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> not that I know of
22:51 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: would you considering it abuse if I modified the upload script so I (and all devs with an account) can upload resources under any author? Xevi wants me to upload the cockpits in http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/xevi/ and doesn't want to get an account for it. Alternatively add them yourself :)
22:53 <wrtlprnft> *would you consider
22:56 <Self_Destructo> well, I'm kinda needing that feature
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22:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spectat
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ALLOW_VOTING_SPECTATOR: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for spectators. (default: 0) || NETWORK_SPECTATOR_TIME: If set to something bigger than zero, this is the maximal time in seconds a client without players is tolerated. (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_1: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_2: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) (1 more message)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: || SPECTATOR_MODE_3: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_4: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> you can autokick inactive spectators
22:58 <Self_Destructo> i see that... but what does it mean by inactive?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> and what would you do if the spectator limit was all used up and an active player decided to go into spectator mode?
22:58 <spidey> you can set someone into spectator?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> kick the oldest spectator? kick the player who wanted to go into spec mode? just refuse?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: not chatting
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig autokick
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAM_AUTOKICK: Spam score that causes you to get kicked instantly. (default: 20)
22:59 <spidey> sd!
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig inactive
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig idle
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DEDICATED_IDLE: After running this time (in hours), the dedicated server takes the next chance to quit. (default: 24) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is kicked (default: 0) || IDLE_REMOVE_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is removed from the game (default: 0)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> there we go, IDLE_KICK_TIME
23:00  * spidey pokes Self_Destructo
23:03 <Self_Destructo> hi spidey...
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'm out... cya sometime....
23:03 <spidey> :D
23:03 <spidey> :/
23:03 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'll be back for good ina month...
23:03 <spidey> cya
23:03 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I just bought me a house today
23:03 <spidey> woot!
23:03 <Self_Destructo> cya
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23:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin'?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:16 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:22 <GodTodd> for a few, yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> check out the control panel :)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> you just hit "admin" in the top menu now
23:24 <GodTodd> cool :)
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have the whole admin interface available there, I think
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> and get rid of the stupid menu that's a pain to deal with anyway
23:26 <GodTodd> yeah...that'd be good
23:26 <linuxlizzard> where is this, because it sounds interesting
23:26 <linuxlizzard> X)
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23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't help but notice that the guy that made the module used a bunch of kde icons to begin with, I'm actually pulling from the same icon set :)
23:31 <GodTodd> yeah..i was gonna say they look like the old KDE desktop i used to run :)
23:34 <GodTodd> ummm...is there no 'home' link from the admin menu?
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23:36 <Lucifer_arma> home link?  You mean like a link to the control panel itself?
23:39 <GodTodd> nah...to get back to the home page
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh, top left.  It's kinda dark, though.
23:41 <GodTodd> oh, duh....click on the picture, george :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not liking what I'm looking at for the ui editor.  :(
23:51 <GodTodd> hmmm...do we need to raise up that upper menu?  the dropdowns seem to fight with whatever the newest preview is....or is that just on mine?
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> fight how?  is it disrupting the teaser, or just laying over it with stupidly transparent background?
23:53 <GodTodd> laying over it with stupidly transparent background
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> ah, we just need a background color for it :)
23:54 <GodTodd> that'd probably work
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the control panel module doesn't ship with an icon for itself
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the guy using KDE icons couldn't find a control panel icon for itself
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5960 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Network code optimizations:
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - sn_Receive() no longer automatically calls the (moderately expensive) sn_SendPlanned()
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  sending function, the caller has to take care of that when ready. The usual procedure would be
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  sn_Receive(); nNetObject::SyncAll(); sn_SendPlanned();
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  Adaptions to this all over the place are already done.
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - the game code calls the network code less often per frame, two calls were entirely wasted.
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there anyone in here running gentoo and interested in an ebuild for 0.3.0?
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> grab it here: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild.tbz2

Log from 2006-08-04:
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00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who ever tried getting it
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try again
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had to delete it cause there was something wrong with it
00:08 <linuxlizzard> heh thx :)
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so you're running gentoo?
00:08 <linuxlizzard> although I don't have gentoo anymores, I can't get .3.0 to compile
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
00:08 <linuxlizzard> so maybe you ebuild will help ;_
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not really
00:08 <linuxlizzard> hehe
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you can get binaries on beta.armagetronad.net
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ;)
00:09 <linuxlizzard> ya... I suppose
00:09 -!- GodTodd is now known as GodToddGym
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hehe
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what time is it down under?
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00:10 <linuxlizzard> hello again 
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi joe
00:11 <DrJoeTron> yo
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: what time is it where you live?
00:12 <linuxlizzard> hmms...
00:13 <linuxlizzard> 6:10
00:13 <DrJoeTron> i thought you were an hour behind me
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: pm?
00:13 <linuxlizzard> ya
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just passed midnight
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <linuxlizzard> well do you do dst joe
00:15 <DrJoeTron> buh?
00:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know some nice tool to set x background?
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> forget it
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> found one
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01:45 <DrJoeTron> jeesus
01:45 <DrJoeTron> hey luke
01:46 <DrJoeTron> question for you
01:46 <DrJoeTron> can you turn your servers back on?
01:46 <linuxlizzard> oh noes its joe again
01:46 <DrJoeTron> say when someone shuts it off
01:46 <spidey> ya
01:46 <spidey> in the admin panel
01:46 <spidey> "Control services"
01:46 <DrJoeTron> so he can turn them on
01:46 <DrJoeTron> ok
01:46 <linuxlizzard> where is this admin panel anyways
01:47 <DrJoeTron> i dont have one
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> lukes systems do
01:47 <linuxlizzard> aha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> and this is against my nature
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> you think you could do a favor for the LOL clan?
01:47 <linuxlizzard> oh noes
01:47 <spidey> hahaha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> tit quit, and fucked them over royaly
01:48 <spidey> you know
01:48 <linuxlizzard> well thats understandable
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit
01:48 <DrJoeTron> not only did he really didnt pay, but his clan did
01:48 <DrJoeTron> and he shut the server down
01:48 <spidey> Luke-Jr = root admin, he could restart it :p
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit anyways
01:48 <spidey> i think he got kicked out
01:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:49 <DrJoeTron> well i didnt ask
01:49 <DrJoeTron> dont really care
01:49 <spidey> cause wildcat and durka was asking me alot of questions when i complained to them
01:49 <DrJoeTron> but i felt like saying something since money is involved
01:49 <spidey> Luke-Jr ping
01:51 <spidey> yay
01:51 <spidey> the server i run from the webserver is back up
01:56 <DrJoeTron> yay 
01:56 <DrJoeTron> the server i run from the shitty shit box is back up
01:56 <spidey> lol
01:56 <DrJoeTron> ooooh looks like the tub is back up too
01:57 <DrJoeTron> glad gomes got my text message
01:57 <spidey> hehe
01:57 <spidey> how many servers you got?
01:57 <DrJoeTron> me personaly
01:57 <DrJoeTron> or as a lobster collective
01:57 <spidey> lobsters
01:57 <DrJoeTron> 3
01:57 <spidey> cool
01:57 <spidey> i'll have 4 by december :
01:57 <spidey> :p
01:57 <DrJoeTron> Cage, Tub, Pot.
01:57 <DrJoeTron> I, Gomes, Lizzard
01:58 <spidey> i got fortress, dogfight , and sumo whenever it's up
01:58 <spidey> :/
01:58 <DrJoeTron> all of mine are "whenever it's up"
01:59 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
01:59 <DrJoeTron> its also , 
01:59 <DrJoeTron> Tron, Sumo, Team Tron,
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02:04 <ghableska> hello
02:12 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
02:13 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
02:13 <ghableska> is US fortress back up?
02:13 <spidey> hahaha
02:13 <spidey> yes it is
02:13 <spidey> and
02:13 <ghableska> O_o
02:13 <spidey> my day just went from shit
02:13 <spidey> to awesome
02:14 <ghableska> how?
02:14 <spidey> remember those guys that kept letting one of my dogs off the leesh?
02:14 <spidey> well he'd let the nice one off then leave
02:14 <spidey> so
02:14 <spidey> i forgot that my other one(not so nice)
02:14 <spidey> had a broken leesh
02:14 <spidey> and i had "tied" it together
02:14 <ghableska> I can see what's coming... XD
02:14 <spidey> he broke it and chased him haha
02:14 <ghableska> lmao
02:14 <spidey> bad part i had to chase the doh
02:14 <spidey> dog
02:14 <spidey> :/
02:15 <ghableska> did you catch him in the end?
02:15 <spidey> yes i got the dog
02:15 <spidey> he was walking yp up the middle of the road
02:15 <spidey> >.<
02:15 <ghableska> lol
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02:16 <Vanhayes> spidey:  did you find the guy who let the dog off?
02:16 <spidey> no
02:16 <spidey> but i got him on webcam
02:16 <spidey> ;x
02:16 <Vanhayes> lol, seems kind of weird to just let someones dog off its chain
02:16 <spidey> not really
02:16 <spidey> they bark alot
02:16 <ghableska> especially when it might run after you...
02:17 <ghableska> happy barks?
02:17 <spidey> ya
02:17 <Vanhayes> big dogs?
02:17 <spidey> blacklabs
02:17 <spidey> about 7-8 months old
02:17 <spidey> they're pretty big
02:25 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you a no clanner now?
02:25 <spidey> not yet >.<
02:25 <spidey> probably will be soon,why?
02:25  * Vanhayes thought he remembered spidey saying he quit MBC
02:25  * ghableska did too
02:26 <spidey> i did but micro and lizz bugged me to much
02:26 <spidey> :/
02:26 <Vanhayes> heh
02:26 <Vanhayes> #seen lizz
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: lizz was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Lizz> l
02:26 <ghableska> I?
02:26 <ghableska> :P
02:26 <spidey> 1
02:26 <spidey> |
02:26 <ghableska> ?
02:27 <spidey> l
02:27 <spidey> owned
02:27 <Vanhayes> !
02:27 <spidey> i'ma watch a movie
02:27 <spidey> what should i watch?
02:27 <Vanhayes> the godfather
02:27 <spidey> bah
02:27 <GodTodd> sound of music
02:27 <ghableska> the matrix?
02:27 <GodTodd> ;)
02:27 <ghableska> :P
02:28 <Vanhayes> heh
02:28 <spidey> you and my other grandma would make a perfect couple Vanhayes :p
02:28 <spidey> ghableska got it
02:28 <ghableska> haha
02:28 <ghableska> :D
02:28 <Vanhayes> how old is she?
02:28 <spidey> 50 something
02:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:28 <Vanhayes> jk btw
02:28 <spidey> lmao
02:28 <Vanhayes> why, does she like the godfather?
02:29 <spidey> she has a thing for "the godfather" and "pride and predudice"
02:29 <spidey> or how ever it's spelled
02:29 <spidey> #check predudice
02:29 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "predudice": prejudice, prejudiced, prejudices, produce, Prentice, produced, predicts, producer, reduce, Prudence, preludes, produces, prudence, predates, predict, presides, prejudice's, prelude, and prepuce.
02:29 <spidey> hmm
02:29 <spidey> prejudice
02:29 <spidey> there
02:29 <Vanhayes> never seen it
02:30 <Vanhayes> Love the godfather trilogy though
02:30 <spidey> #beat Vanhayes
02:30 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:30 <ghableska> O_o
02:30 <Vanhayes> #list google
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:30 <spidey> now name a movie that was made after 1005
02:30 <spidey> plzkthnx
02:30 <Vanhayes> #clash
02:30 <spidey> 1995
02:30 <Vanhayes> lol 1005
02:31 <spidey> yes they made movie back then!
02:31 <Vanhayes> why name a movie before 1995?
02:31 <spidey> after!!
02:32 <spidey> because most movies before the effects suck
02:32 <Vanhayes> effects are a crutch for weak stories imho
02:32 <spidey> oh well
02:32 <ghableska> yeah
02:32 <spidey> effects make a movie
02:32 <ghableska> when was gattaca made?
02:32 <spidey> i don't wanna see something dull and boring
02:33 <ghableska> oh 1997...
02:33 <ghableska> nvm
02:33 <Vanhayes> gattaca is an awesome movie
02:33 <ghableska> yeah
02:33 <spidey> hitch hickers guide to the galaxy
02:33 <Vanhayes> one of my favs, and has barely any special effects
02:33 <spidey> i'ma download that
02:33 <spidey> Vanhayes i like movies where people fly through the air and kick shit
02:33 <ghableska> oh yeah
02:33 <spidey> and pretend the kicked shit was Vanhayes
02:33 <spidey> :D
02:34 <Vanhayes> spidey: you should get bruse lee movies then
02:34 <Vanhayes> bruce*
02:34 <Vanhayes> no special effects either :)
02:34 <spidey> i also like movies where humans that have died but are no longer dead but eat on alive humans till those humans are no longer alive
02:34 <ghableska> uh
02:34 <spidey> haha
02:35 <Vanhayes> ie zombie movies
02:35 <ghableska> riight
02:35 <spidey> i also like to pretend the humans being eaten are Vanhayes
02:35 <ghableska> :P
02:35 <Vanhayes>  who said I was a human being?
02:35 <spidey> i knew it
02:35 <spidey> you're a alien
02:35  * Vanhayes is a chemical test monkey
02:35 <spidey> ohhh
02:36 <spidey> so you got big boobs to!?
02:36 <Vanhayes> ... why do you think monkeys have big boobs?
02:36 <ghableska> O_o
02:36 <spidey> well baboons have big red ass's
02:36 <Vanhayes> o ya reminds me, watch planet of the apes
02:36 <spidey> even though that sounded wrong :D
02:36 <spidey> i don't wanna watch it
02:37 <spidey> i've seen it to much already
02:38  * ghableska sneezes
02:38  * Vanhayes says gazuntieht
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gazuntieht
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gazuntieht": gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, jauntiest, gaunter, Gaziantep, gauziest, skintight, jauntier, Gauntley, gaunting, gantlet, and jaunted.
02:39 <ghableska> :P
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gahuntight
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gahuntight": gunfight, gaunting, skintight, gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, haunting, untaught, goodnight, hunting, jauntiest, hindsight, gaunt, gunfought, and gaunter.
02:39 <Vanhayes> bah
02:39 <ghableska> #check gesuindeit
02:39 <armabot> ghableska: Possible spellings for "gesuindeit": gesundheit, rescinded, resounded, grounded, quintet, rescinder, resident, grinder, sounded, gender, soundest, sunder, sunset, fecundity, seconded, Genet, grandest, grounder, snidest, resined, descended, asunder, squinted, gaunted, and sequined.
02:39 <Vanhayes> lol
02:39 <ghableska> yes :D
02:39 <Vanhayes> #dict gesundheit
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "gesundheit" could be found.
02:40 <ghableska> :P
02:40 <Vanhayes> #google fight gesundheit gazuntieht
02:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: gesundheit: 158000000, gazuntieht: 0
02:40 <Vanhayes> lol
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 1
02:40 <spidey> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2936/movies1ku9.jpg
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 2
02:40 <spidey> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/372/movies2zp7.jpg
02:41 <spidey> those are all the movies i go
02:41 <spidey> got
02:42 <Vanhayes> i only have one right now, X-men 3, and I only have that one cause I need more DVDs
02:43 <spidey> lol
02:43 <spidey> i have 4 dvd's
02:43 <spidey> but that won't hold all these
02:43 <spidey> i'll need atleast 11
02:43  * Vanhayes doesnt keep movies on his comp, just burns them right away
02:44 <spidey> good for you :p
02:44 <spidey> i have the hdd space to hold over 300
02:44 <spidey> well
02:44 <spidey> something like that
02:44 <spidey> these 80 plus all that other stuff on it
02:44 <spidey> only uses
02:44 <spidey> HD: [C:] 48.15/111.75 GB [F:] 8.09/12.72 GB
02:45 <spidey> if i cleared out all the other stuff besides movies i'd have about 60gigs free
02:45 <spidey> or so
02:47  * Vanhayes notices that spidey shares only 2 of all those movies
02:48 <spidey> hmm
02:48 <spidey> which ones?
02:48 <spidey> oh
02:49 <spidey> and yes only 2
02:49 <Vanhayes> resident evils
02:49 <spidey> i switch them up
02:49 <spidey> all the shit i've got in that folder it'd lag me way to bad to share them all
02:49 <spidey> plus my connection gets shitty if i share for to long
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03:48 <GodTodd> "What did the hurricane say to the coconut tree?
03:48 <GodTodd> Hold on to your nuts, this is no ordinary blow job!"
03:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you should be able to work around the problem by using // instead of / like in the error
03:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: so get an account on the official one
03:51 <Luke-Jr> (repository)
03:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm sure the map stuff could be optimized to handle more walls better
03:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I use BISON 2.1 fine, so I'm guessing 2.2 works around a GCC bug
03:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no way an engine rewrite could be merged into a stable ver =p
03:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Why won't Xevi get an account? Either way, I still accept email submissions if he wants to do it manually
03:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: Some LOL ppl asked me last night what happens if TNA doesn't pay, and I told them I'm more than willing to transfer ownership if someone else does pay
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> why did the new polish navy build glass-bottomed boats?
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> So they can see the old polish navy!
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, my 2 year old has gotten a lot better at pulling the keys off my laptop
04:33 <GodTodd> oh boy...i miss those days :/
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> what?  you miss the days when my 2 year old pulled the keys off my laptop?
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> those days end saturday: he'll be 3
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> seriously though, he's gotten so good at it that he carefully organized the keys he pulled off, kept all the parts together, and didn't snap any of the little pegs
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04:53 <GodTodd> that's a bonus :)
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> did you hear about ford's latest big recall?  ;)
04:53 <GodTodd> yep
04:54 <GodTodd> couldn't happen to a nicer company ;)
04:54 <Luke-Jr> ford sucks
04:54 <GodTodd> hoover sucks
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm  <--- this is awesome!
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's really too bad there's no astronomy in my degree plan :(
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> hey, did you look at my degree plan?
04:58 <GodTodd> a bit, yeah
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you read the names of the classes?  ;)
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04:59 <GodTodd> i'm sure i did at some point
04:59 <GodTodd> heh
04:59 <spidey> wb mkzelda
05:00 <mkzelda> thx, when did i leave?
05:00 <mkzelda> psybnc gets frozen
05:01 <spidey> [21:44] (-psyBNC) Fri Aug 4 02:44:42 :User mkzelda quitted
05:01 <spidey> it doesn't give me problems :p
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> and did you think "Holy shit, that looks like fun!  Mommy mommy can I do that?"
05:04 <GodTodd> not that i recall
05:04 <mkzelda> spidey, it happens every month or so for me
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:04 <spidey> every month or so?
05:04 <mkzelda> i dont know its gotten hung until i realize that i've been chatting w/ myself for a while
05:04 <spidey> it hasn't been installed a month :p
05:05 <mkzelda> *my* psybnc
05:05 <spidey> ah
05:05 <mkzelda> its infrequent enuf i dont bother to fix it
05:05 <mkzelda> i just restart the PID
05:05 <mkzelda> rehup and its fine
05:05 <mkzelda> but if i connect
05:05 <mkzelda> er, when its stalled..
05:05 <spidey> lol
05:06 <mkzelda> i connect to my psybnc and it says connected...
05:06 <mkzelda> and then hangs b4 it grabs channel lists etc
05:08 <Compn> did you /quote pass?
05:08 <spidey> LOL
05:08 <mkzelda> ya thats not the prob
05:08 <mkzelda> its after you do that
05:09 <mkzelda> if i didnt have a buffer full of /names then i'd paste the err
05:09 <mkzelda> er, lack of error
05:09 <Compn> try a newer version of psybnc
05:10 <Compn> maybe just need a change ;p
05:11 <mkzelda> im using newest
05:11 <mkzelda> newer than spidey's
05:11 <spidey> :/
05:11 <spidey> wtf man
05:11 <spidey> my memory usage is at 92%
05:11 <spidey> and i'm not even doing anything!
05:11 <mkzelda> windows?
05:12 <spidey> ya
05:12 <mkzelda> nuff said
05:12 <spidey> not really
05:12 <spidey> 94% >.<
05:12 <mkzelda> whats using it?
05:12 <mkzelda> svchost?
05:12 <spidey> appearently
05:12 <spidey> ares
05:12 <spidey> msn
05:12 <spidey> firefox
05:12 <Compn> ares?
05:13 <spidey> and yahoo
05:13 <Compn> that p2p ?
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13  * Compn forgets what network ares is
05:13 <Compn> is ares its own network?
05:13 <Compn> is it good?
05:13 <Compn> one of the few p2p i havent tried
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13 <Compn> you guys like psybnc , you might enjoy bitlbee :)
05:13 <spidey> i've downloaded gigs and gigs of shit :p
05:14 <Compn> it does yahoo/msn/aim/jabber using an irc interface 
05:15 <mkzelda> i do that w/ gaim
05:15 <mkzelda> but, not irc interface
05:16 <mkzelda> cant see the advantage to it
05:16 <mkzelda> everyone keeps telling me to check it out
05:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: possibly with the exception of spacecraft dynamics
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/report_panel   <--- this is the direction I'm going with the admin interface now :)
05:34 <GodTodd> i like the smaller icons, i think
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> everyone likes smaller icons
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> except me, that is :)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> what's your resolution?
05:40 <GodTodd> 1024x768
05:40 <spidey> ew
05:40 <GodTodd> :P
05:41 <spidey> i can't live with anything under 1280x1024 anymore
05:41 <GodTodd> i think you should go to 640x480 ;)
05:41 <spidey> bah!
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05:42  * spidey slaps GodTodd
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> mmm
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm at 1280x800
05:42 <GodTodd> hell...i remember when screens were monochrome and resolution was something you got, not set
05:42 <spidey> O.o
05:42  * GodTodd gets out his cane.
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/control_panel  <--- here you go, this is coming along, sort of
05:57 <GodTodd> i like the 'who's online' tracking stuff
05:57 <GodTodd> i'm nosy that way :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> me too :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to see if the checklist module has a block, and if so I'm going to install it and put it in there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully we can add stuff to each other's checklists, that'll be neat
05:58 <GodTodd> checklists for what?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, first let me put the user management stuff on there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> stuff like, say I write something and I really need you to edit it for some reason, I can give you an item on a checklist that would remind you to edit it sometime
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> vice versa
05:58 <GodTodd> ahhh that'd rock :)
06:09 <GodTodd> question on stealing your degree plan spreadsheet:  which credits are considered 'in-college' and which are 'in-degree'?
06:10 <GodTodd> i know...stupid questiong but, yeah...
06:10 <GodTodd> question*
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> scroll to the right to see how that's figured
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> no way to automate that, you'll need to put it in by hand
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, that doesn't answer the question, heh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> in-college is supposed to be only stuff offered by the college of engineering, but it's not
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> instead it includes all credits that aren't shit like history, government, comp 1, etc
06:17 <GodTodd> ahhh ok
06:18 <GodTodd> and i assume in-degree is the shit like prereqs to get to the shit on the official degree plan but isn't listed on it
06:18 <GodTodd> errr the opposite of what i just said
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> umm, in-degree includes calc 1, but not trigonometry
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> how's that sound to you?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, turns out the spell checker that's available is for 4.6, and we're running 4.7
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so, I think I've got a checklist block there, but haven't tested and I really want to get to other things
06:23 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz the first math class on the 'official' plan is calc1 for me...but i have to get trig first...so it's only 'in my degree' because i need it for calc1
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> right, so I didn't count it as in-degree
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> um, ok.  The other way to look at it is this:
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> in-degree means "what's on the degree plan"
06:24 <GodTodd> that's what i figured :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> in-college means "what will make my application to the CoE matter the most"
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the CoE doesn't give a rat's ass if I got an A or a C in history, but they *do* care if I got an A or C in calc 1
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the in-college gpa is pretty important for that
06:24 <GodTodd> ok
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> after I'm at UT, or maybe if I start caring before then, I'll worry about how the UT credits fall into place as in-degree or in-college
06:25 <GodTodd> so like trig would be 'in-college' but not 'in-degree'
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, in-degree being the degree plan, that's how I'm supposed to know when I'll graduate, sorta, and "all" is all of my classes, so I can show my cumulative gpa
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, trig's not even in-college, it's only in 'all'
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> at least, it's supposed to be.  :)
06:26 <GodTodd> well...i guess that makes sense...since CoE shouldn't really care below calc1
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, it should fatten my application some of the stuff I've done with math, like starting in developmental math, skipping, taking trig, skipping again, and then getting a's in calculus
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> say all other things are equal and they have to pick between me and some young punk
06:27 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the college I want to go to will respect what that means about me and pick me over the punk.  :)
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> wow, there's 8 guests on the website right now
06:28 <GodTodd> i saw that
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08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5961 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed missing network syncing in menu rendering idle function.
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed some quirks the network optimization revealed.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I tried to get him to contact you, but it looks like he doesn't want to. But I'd like to add it to the wiki, and the only way to allow making selecting the cockpit possible with just one command is to add it to your repository
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:07 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: (1) Never draw what you can copy. || (2) Never copy what you can trace. || (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down.
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10:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5962 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gGame.cpp): Fixed explosion buds left from last round, cycles weren't deleted on the server in time.
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11:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
11:08 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #220: || Someone thought The Big Red Button was a light switch.
11:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
11:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar:   An Irishman is never at peace except when he's fighting.
11:10 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: there's two fortune commands, #f and #fortune
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #f
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
11:10 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? || A: The impossible dream.
11:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer.
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /exec -o fortune :P
11:11 <wrtlprnft> I like #f more, it gives more funny fortunes
11:12 <wrtlprnft> Who to himself is law no law doth need,
11:12 <wrtlprnft> offends no law, and is a king indeed.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> 		-- George Chapman
11:12 <wrtlprnft> x_x
11:12 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o cat /boot/vmlinuz
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok...
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> head: cannot open `/boot/vmlinuz' for reading: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ELF
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@-
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@
11:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ?
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i aint got a compressed kernel :P
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <wrtlprnft> 11:13 [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-40-251.dclient.hispeed.ch] requested unknown CTCP  from #armagetron:
11:14 <wrtlprnft> try cat /dev/urandom
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah
11:15 <wrtlprnft> /exec grep -ri fuck /usr/src/linux | head -n 5
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar>  11:10:09 up 2 days, 12:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is something wrong with irssi
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11:15 <wrtlprnft>  11:15:49 up 12 days, 20:58,  6 users,  load average: 0.86, 0.50, 0.45
11:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that works
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/jffs/intrep.c:		   don't fuck up. This is why we have 
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/binfmt_aout.c:		/* Fuck me plenty... */
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c: * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_snmp_basic.c: * (And this is the fucking 'basic' method).
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/xfrm/xfrm_algo.c:			/* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> saying that i made it to crash irssi -.-
11:17 <wrtlprnft> grep: write error: Broken pipe
11:17 <wrtlprnft> wtf lol
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Fri Aug  4 11:12:29 CEST 2006
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar>  11:12:34 up 2 days, 12:21,  1 user,  load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
11:17 <wrtlprnft> it just took forever to run
11:18 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even know about /exec
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's cool
11:18 <wrtlprnft> /exec lynx -dump http://armagetronad.net | head 5
11:19 <wrtlprnft> ArmagetronAdvanced
11:19 <wrtlprnft>      * navigation
11:19 <wrtlprnft>      * [1]News
11:19 <wrtlprnft>           + [2]News Archive
11:19 <wrtlprnft> can't dump the whole page in here :(
11:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
11:22 <wrtlprnft> #echo test
11:22 <armabot> test
11:22 <wrtlprnft> oh, so I am still here
11:22 <wrtlprnft> strange
11:23 <wrtlprnft> I didn't get spamkicked, but I just dumped all of http://armagetronad.net/ into #testwrtl
11:23 <wrtlprnft> Linux laptop 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Fri Jul 14 18:40:58 CEST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz GNU/Linux
11:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
11:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is my server and router
11:30  * wrtlprnft should give his machines better names
11:30 <wrtlprnft> I was thinking about calling them marvin and ford and tricia etc
11:31 <wrtlprnft> but I would soon have to give them names I don't want to have to type all the time
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have earth, neptune, jupiter and asteroid
11:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/phpsysinfo/
11:34 <wrtlprnft>  11:35:26 up 15 days, 13:33,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the uptime of my server
11:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my best uptime ever
11:35 <wrtlprnft> used to be over 100
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was my old p4 server
11:35 <wrtlprnft> then there were those two kernel holes
11:35 <wrtlprnft> "old p4"?
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it was old
11:35 <wrtlprnft> my server is a 400MHZ thingy
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it had a p4
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> faster than mine
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 333
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sparc64
11:36 <wrtlprnft> never had a non- x86 machine
11:36 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler 2.6.17.6 #1 Tue Jul 18 18:58:40 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cpu		: TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fpu		: UltraSparc IIi integrated FPU
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> prom		: OBP 3.31.0 2001/07/25 20:36
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> type		: sun4u
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus probed	: 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus active	: 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> D$ parity tl1	: 0
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> I$ parity tl1	: 0
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0Bogo	: 666.33
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0ClkTck	: 0000000013d92d40
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> MMU Type	: Spitfire
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got 2 of these babies ^^
11:37 <wrtlprnft> processor	: 0
11:37 <wrtlprnft> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu family	: 6
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model		: 5
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model name	: Pentium II (Deschutes)
11:37 <wrtlprnft> stepping	: 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu MHz		: 398.851
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cache size	: 512 KB
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fdiv_bug	: no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> hlt_bug		: no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> f00f_bug	: no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> coma_bug	: no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu		: yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu_exception	: yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpuid level	: 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> wp		: yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up
11:37 <wrtlprnft> bogomips	: 798.42
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pso@earth ~ $ armagetronad
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Warning in void FindConfigurationPath() in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1509 :  Could not determine path to configuration files. Using defaults or command line arguments.
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:569 :  Configuration files not found. Check your installation.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> umm
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_FORBID_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE_SERVER_CUSTOM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command WIN_ZONE_DEATHS unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_MIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_RATIO unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_SURVIVE_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in tron/gArmagetron.cpp:645 : 
11:39 <wrtlprnft>  	Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device
11:39 <wrtlprnft> omg sorry
11:40 <wrtlprnft> i forgot that it prints so many errors on startup
11:40 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o is dangerous :S
11:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no clue where it installed the data files 0o
11:44 <wrtlprnft> well, irssi is running in a screen session here that's started before X
11:44 <wrtlprnft> so DISPLAY is not set and therefore arma fails
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm running irssi on my server
11:45 <guru3> i'm suprised you didn't get flooded out wrtlprnft 
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i do not have X on the server
11:46 <wrtlprnft> guru3: me too
11:47 <wrtlprnft> did that all appear at once or did irssi put a delay between the lines?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> it appeared all at once for me
11:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> delayed
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that explains it
11:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no damn clue what is going on with armagetron :(
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11:51 <wrtlprnft> won't start even if you run it on the command line?
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i emerged it using an edited ebuild
11:52 <madmax|pt> hello
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi madmax|pt 
11:52 <wrtlprnft> edited?
11:52 <wrtlprnft> what about using Luke-Jr's ebuild?
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i want 0.3.0
11:53 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i edited luke's ebuild
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to do 0.3.0 instead
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> had to add some gldeps for it to work
11:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno, I don't use portage for that. I just compile it with --prefix=/home/mathias/armagetronad
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
11:54 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't use releases either, just SVN sources
11:54 <wrtlprnft> usually the trunk
11:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> unmerged it now...
11:55 <wrtlprnft> I never tried to write an ebuild, so ask Luke-Jr 
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah... gonna do a manual install...
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> screw portage this time
11:56 <wrtlprnft> as i said, just put it into some dir and install as normal user
11:56 <wrtlprnft> then you can just remove that dir to get rid of arma
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> don't ever want to get rid of it ;)
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> on the other hand side...
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could screw up my system with a sysinstall...
11:57 <wrtlprnft> exactly
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that
11:58 <wrtlprnft> 's why I'm not doing it
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try svn...
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but 1st...
11:59 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want the trunk
12:00 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want 0.3.0
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0.3.0 i can get in a shiny tbz2
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
12:01 <wrtlprnft> then get the trunk, it has ph's new zone stuff. But don't get it if you wanna make a fortress server
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> emerging subversion -.-
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna make a client is all
12:01 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> running the 0.3.0 release on my server
12:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only releases for servers...
12:02 <wrtlprnft> the trunk has some nice new goodies you won't get with 0.3.0... new lagometer, sticky history, reverse search in history (CTRL-R) and some new cockpit data sources
12:03 <wrtlprnft> but you won't be able to play fortress in a local game
12:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell is there a local game mode at all...
12:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, and *big change* the strongest bot is now called ArmagetronAd instead of Armagetron
12:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna watch some futurama...
12:05 <guru3> hf
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5963 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg: Changed title track to something a bit more thought out
12:07 <wrtlprnft> is that a completely different one?
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, totally different
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> you miht like this one :)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> shorter than the old one
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> the old one was too long
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually borrowed from the movie, heh
12:09 <wrtlprnft> can we keep the old one as normal ingame track?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it as ingame track, I should re-record it and make it a tad longer, actually
12:09 <wrtlprnft> true
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the theme in this title track and the bass line I played awhile back are going to be the core of the soundtrack, I think
12:10 <wrtlprnft> so we aren't just getting a finished sound engine but also a finished sound track?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sound engine is being written because I want to make a sound track :)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:12 <wrtlprnft> be back later.
12:13 <wrtlprnft> or not
12:13 <wrtlprnft> misread the time by an hour
12:13 <wrtlprnft> so I'm still here.
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12:23 <madmax|pt> the brake is supposed to show "-0.0" ?
12:23 <madmax|pt> in trunk
12:28 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:29 <wrtlprnft> it does?
12:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't for me
12:30 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:30 <madmax|pt> if i keep pressing brake it shows a constant -0.0
12:31 <madmax|pt> maybe in a later revision thats fixed? i see it in 5841 
12:32 <wrtlprnft> don't think anyone fixed anything there
12:32 <madmax|pt> :/
12:32 <madmax|pt> try keeping brake pressed
12:32 <wrtlprnft> how long?
12:32 <madmax|pt> until zero...
12:33 <wrtlprnft> i did
12:33 <wrtlprnft> just shows 0.0
12:33 <madmax|pt> hm
12:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe the brake value is really something like -1e-20
12:33 <wrtlprnft> and the stl function we use shows -0.0 because of that
12:34 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:34 <madmax|pt> by brake value you mean cycle_brake?
12:35 <wrtlprnft> no
12:35 <wrtlprnft> the remaining brakes
12:35 <wrtlprnft> stored inside the cycle
12:36 <madmax|pt> ok soooo, how do i see that value?
12:36 <wrtlprnft> umm
12:36 <wrtlprnft> edit the cockpit file to show a higher precision?
12:37 <madmax|pt> heh, im not bothered with that, but it could be something you guys haven't noticed
12:37  * wrtlprnft didn't notice it because it isn't there
12:37 <madmax|pt> ...on yours
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:38 <wrtlprnft> what aarchitecture?
12:38 <madmax|pt> processor?
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:38 <madmax|pt> ppc
12:39 <wrtlprnft> that might be a reason in theory
12:39 <wrtlprnft> i use x86
12:40 <madmax|pt> hm
12:42  * wrtlprnft can't fix what he can't reproduce, that's the problem
12:42 <wrtlprnft> try updating your arma anyways
12:43 <madmax|pt> can the "remaining brakes... stored inside the cycle" be modified to another value?
12:43 <madmax|pt> screen btw http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2pg0.png
12:44 <wrtlprnft> i'd rather add some small number when converting to a string
12:46 <wrtlprnft> hmm, what you can try in the newest revsion:
12:46 <madmax|pt> i was doing that but.... the Xcode project file seems... corrupted
12:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, ask nemo
12:47 <madmax|pt> yep
12:47 <wrtlprnft> be aware you need a newer version of BISON
12:47 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:47 <madmax|pt> what's that?
12:47 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/212dbe
12:47 <madmax|pt> nvm
12:47 <wrtlprnft> dunno exactly, ask Luke-Jr 
12:48 <wrtlprnft> ask somone else, just not me ;)
12:50 <madmax|pt> my bison installation sure seems old
12:51  * Lucifer_arma wonders how long before someone notices the new title track, heh
12:51 <madmax|pt> lol
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that time shortens if I mention it, so I'll just go to bed
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> my important accomplishment tonight?  installing audacity and taking advantage of the overwhelmingly good feeling of getting a 100 on his last calc test to make a new intro song :)
12:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> (100 = perfect score for you folks that don't use percentage grades)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> 1 = perfect score in Germany :P
12:56 <madmax|pt> hmm... maybe bison needs to be updated so i can open the project file
12:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so, but i have no clue about macos
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17:23 <DrJoeTron> whole lotta nothing this morning
17:25 <wrtlprnft> or afternoon
17:25 <Vanhayes> or exactally noon
17:26 <wrtlprnft> or midnight?
17:26 <Vanhayes> im sure it is some where
17:26 <Vanhayes> probly australia
17:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so was there anything wrong with adding a ::Recreate(std::vector<Variant>) for stuff?
17:28 <Luke-Jr> or perhaps a deque
17:29 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
17:29 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it probably isn't exactly midnight anywhere
17:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what? O.o
17:30 <wrtlprnft> it's 5:30 here and most timezones are shifted by whole hours
17:31 <DrJoeTron> 10:32 here
17:32 <wrtlprnft> PM
17:33 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:33 <Luke-Jr> it's 10:31
17:33 <Luke-Jr> not 30 or 32
17:33 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:34 <Luke-Jr> sorry
17:34 <Luke-Jr> I was wrong
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's :35
17:34 <GodTodd> actually...there are some time zones that are offset by 30 minutes
17:34 <wrtlprnft> !
17:34 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: I know
17:34 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: not many
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's unlikely it's midnight in one of them
17:34 <wrtlprnft> but I don't think they are in the right place right now
17:34 <GodTodd> not too far off tho...it'll be midnight in 4 hours in calcutta ;)
17:36 <GodTodd> err 3 hours
17:36 <GodTodd> 4 hours for kabul
17:38 <DrJoeTron> newfoundland was one of them
17:38 <DrJoeTron> is*
17:39 <Vanhayes> ya nefoundland is -3:30 hours GMT 
17:39 <Vanhayes> newfoundland*
17:40 <linuxlizzard>  
17:41 <wrtlprnft>  
17:41 <DrJoeTron> i remember this from planning  with spoon
17:41 <DrJoeTron> fucking invader
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh...
17:42 <GodTodd> then there's katmandu...they're really weird ;)
17:42 <linuxlizzard> ya, could you pm me the pass joe
17:42 <linuxlizzard> on the forums if not here
17:46 <DrJoeTron> taken care of
17:48 <linuxlizzard> thx X)
17:49 <linuxlizzard> hah you always have a way of making the greatest passwords ;)
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft <-- I hope Jon is happy now
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18:01 <ghableska> hello
18:01 <Vanhayes> hi ghableska 
18:01 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
18:01 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska 
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes 
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi wrtlprnft 
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi wrtlprnft 
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi Vanhayes 
18:02 <ghableska> :P
18:02 <wrtlprnft> ;)
18:02  * ghableska says hi
18:03  * Vanhayes  Usage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps)
18:03 <wrtlprnft> help /me
18:04 <Vanhayes> lol
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 ME <message>
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 Sends a CTCP ACTION to the current channel or query. For example: /me sits back.
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 See also: ACTION, CTCP
18:04 <wrtlprnft> mine is more technical :P
18:04 <ghableska> :P
18:04  * Vanhayes *
18:05  * Vanhayes yes I can
18:05  * ghableska pokes Vanhayes
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP NOTICE test from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP VERSION from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <wrtlprnft> lololol
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5964 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Removed explicit breakpoint, whoops, left over from last debugging session.
18:06 <ghableska> O_o
18:06  * Vanhayes test
18:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
18:06 <wrtlprnft> if i send a CTCP VERSION to a channel i get replies from everyone?
18:07 <Vanhayes> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> now I have all your client versions
18:07 <linuxlizzard> heh
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from Vanhayes: xchat 2.6.4-1 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.79GHz]
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from ghableska: Trillian
18:07 <Vanhayes> lol
18:07 <ghableska> haha
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from linuxlizzard: XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.12 Linux 2.6.17-ARCH [i686]
18:08 <linuxlizzard> iei
18:08 <wrtlprnft> ghableska's client isn't very verbose :(
18:08 <ghableska> :P
18:08 <wrtlprnft> /ctcp version #freenode
18:08 <wrtlprnft> that would give tons of replies (and probably get me kicked from the network)
18:09 <Vanhayes> -wrtlprnft- VERSION irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux i686
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: twice?
18:09 <Vanhayes> ?
18:09 <Vanhayes> heh
18:13 <DrJoeTron> w3rd
18:14 <DrJoeTron> i cant beleive im reading about the edsel
18:16 <Vanhayes> ack
18:18 <linuxlizzard> ls
18:18 <linuxlizzard> meh wrong keyboard X)
18:18 <wrtlprnft> linuxlizzard: you don't want me to run /exec -o ls do you?
18:18 <linuxlizzard> hah
18:19 <linuxlizzard> no thanks ;)
18:19 <wrtlprnft> lucky for you
18:19 <wrtlprnft> it's many many lines
18:19 <linuxlizzard> lol
18:19 <wrtlprnft> aww
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19:05 <philippeqc> hi
19:06 <ghableska> hi philippeqc
19:06 <philippeqc> hi ghableska 
19:08 <DrJoeTron> so many servers i dont want to play in today
19:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: has the bug after each round been resolved?
19:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it was my fault it seems
19:19 <wrtlprnft> I have no clue why, but removing my fix for pig sty fixed it
19:19 <philippeqc> my code is perfect of course, that is why I was suspicious of your accusations
19:19 <philippeqc> ;)
19:20 <wrtlprnft> I just couldn't imagine how that fix would cause such a crash
19:21 <wrtlprnft> as it was removing the zone from a list, causing other code NOT to access it
19:21 <philippeqc> from your cockpit map list?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> so how would this cause a message, "Hey! someone still wants to use that eNetObject!"
19:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:22 <philippeqc> when you removed the zone, are you sure it simply removed it from your list, and not actually gc it?
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> gc?
19:23 <philippeqc> garbage collected 
19:23 <philippeqc> I know c++ doesnt have one
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no, it's just a deque of pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> but with all the smart pointer around
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no smart pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> one is bound to thing he is smarter than the rest
19:24 <wrtlprnft> you can have a look at it, second
19:24 <philippeqc> ok
19:24 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=5932
19:25 <wrtlprnft> especially look at zZone.h
19:25 <wrtlprnft> err
19:25 <wrtlprnft> .cpp
19:26 <wrtlprnft> you know more about zones by far
19:26 <philippeqc> 5931 is the crashing code?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> (philippeqc's knoledge about zones) / (wrtlprnft' knowledge of zones) = inf
19:26 <wrtlprnft> no, the one before
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> just take the newest revision
19:27 <wrtlprnft> and uncomment those lines
19:27 <philippeqc> and 5932 is the one that crash?
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.cpp:177-180
19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.h:71
19:27 <philippeqc> yes, I'm checking the diff atm
19:27 <DrJoeTron> time to do some escapades this month
19:28 <philippeqc> you cant comment out that block, it kills the object (gc them) while I still have some pointers to it
19:28 <DrJoeTron> going to order like 500 batteries, led's, magnets, and tape
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: commenting it out fixed it
19:28 <philippeqc> IIRC, the parent RemoveFromGame is more torough, and kills it
19:28 <linuxlizzard> what are you planing now joe :P
19:28 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can virtual constructors use varargs?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i'm calling it
19:28 <philippeqc> of 5931 and 5932, which one is the crashing one, 
19:29 <wrtlprnft> virtual constructors don't exist
19:29 <wrtlprnft> 5931
19:29 <Luke-Jr> oh, right
19:29  * Luke-Jr stabs C++
19:29 <philippeqc> ok
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that has got to be one of the worst design decisions ever
19:29 <wrtlprnft> factories!
19:29 <Luke-Jr> still a bad design decision =p
19:29 <DrJoeTron> http://www.instructables.com/id/E9D2ZJ3FG0EP286JEJ/ this
19:29 <DrJoeTron> we've made 5
19:30 <DrJoeTron> ive found wrapping paper tape works fine as well
19:30 <linuxlizzard> haha
19:30 <Luke-Jr> would anyone be annoyed if we required '(new Add).Create(four, five)'
19:30 <Luke-Jr> err, s/./->
19:31 <DrJoeTron> if i understood any of that
19:31 <DrJoeTron> probably
19:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: weird, because I thing I'm the one who put that code there
19:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you aren't
19:31 <philippeqc> zZone.*
19:31 <wrtlprnft> i did put it there, definitely
19:31 <philippeqc> or I toiled with it, 
19:31 <philippeqc> or is it zMonitor
19:32 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp?r1=5849&r2=5864&pathrev=5932
19:32 <wrtlprnft> err, no
19:33 <wrtlprnft> or rather, yes, that's it
19:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: nice !
19:34 <DrJoeTron> :D
19:34  * wrtlprnft should get a prize for his ability to confuse himself
19:34 <DrJoeTron> it will make chicago much more brilliant looking:D
19:35 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: no prize, I do it the same
19:36 <philippeqc> its a neat idea, quite simple but very neat!
19:36 <philippeqc> (was for DrJoeTron  ^^)
19:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: is it possible to use a template for a constructor?
19:36 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the removal of zones is quite complex as they are used in 3 very different collections
19:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yes
19:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eg, have it simply wrap around a virtual
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i think so
19:37 <philippeqc> the main game object, your for the cock pit and mine for the parsing
19:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, not like that
19:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> try it :)
19:37 <DrJoeTron> we need to order in bulk though, seperately all of the materials costs about 5 bucks to make one
19:37 <DrJoeTron> but the batteries will last for 2 weeks
19:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's why I'm calling the parent function
19:37 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml
19:37 <DrJoeTron> while powering the led
19:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: download the pdf, it is really worth it!
19:38 <philippeqc> 5 USD for ONE!!!!
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **obj, args) {
19:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah.. we need to order in bulk, it wil be much cheaper
19:39 <wrtlprnft>     *obj = new T(args);
19:39 <wrtlprnft> }
19:39 <wrtlprnft> that might work
19:39 <DrJoeTron> i'll throw up videos if we ever do this :D
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but it's ugly like hell
19:40 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: IIRC: zEffector.h, zValidator.h and zSelector.h all operate with factories. All the object are created through "virtual constructors" in gParser.cpp
19:41 <philippeqc> check it up
19:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: yes, but I want compatibility with existing non-virtual-constructor code if possible
19:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hrm, interesting
19:41 <philippeqc> it is not a virtual constructor, it is a factory
19:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the problem is, that doesn't handle run-time argument count
19:42 <Luke-Jr> so I was thinking
19:42 <wrtlprnft> nothing does
19:42 <philippeqc> forget I said "virtual constructor"
19:43 <Luke-Jr> template<typename R, typename A1, typename A2, ..., typename AN> R Base(A1, A2, ..., AN) etc
19:43 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how many parameters do you need??????????
19:43 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no reason for a limit
19:43 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: so now you are still producing them from over the counter bought parts?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how would you actually code the funtion?"
19:44 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what is the problem you are trying to fix?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it's a virtual problem
19:44 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't really exist
19:44 <philippeqc> lol
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: there will be a virtual ::recreate(std::deque<Variant>)
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I want the constructor template to create the deque passed to recreate
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Argument checking needs to be done at run-time to support function calls from expressions
19:46 <philippeqc> so the constructor has to fill a collection that can be used to make a copy of the object
19:46 <wrtlprnft> I'll leave it to philippeqc, who knows at least as much about c++ as i do and make supper
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: to initialize the object
19:47 <DrJoeTron> we made 5 initially to test them out
19:47 <DrJoeTron> and worked great
19:47 <DrJoeTron> so now we are gonna try and get this working
19:47 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you will probably have 3 types of objects based on math functions. 0 params, 1 param and 2 params. Whouldnt the parser need to first detect the case and then call among those 3 groupings?
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: these are for non-math functions
19:47 <philippeqc> o
19:48 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: how many are you gonna make and for what use?
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as many is money permits
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as*
19:48 <DrJoeTron> and for making chicago look pretty :D
19:48 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: is the std::deque used to input data in the constructor or to the recreate?
19:49 <Luke-Jr> ::recreate is the 'real' constructor
19:49 <Luke-Jr> it takes arguments from the deque
19:49 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: Study the following: simple solar cell, rechargable battery, simple circuitry that say "if sun, charge and off led, no sun: on led"
19:49 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor will simply wrap around ::recreate
19:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
19:50 <philippeqc> so the constructor read all the arguments and then build the deque that it pass to the recreate
19:50 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:51 <guru3> btw, transferring main site to sf's hosting
19:51 <philippeqc> guru3: why?
19:51 <Luke-Jr> guru3: why? we were migrating *from* SF, not to it =p
19:51 <guru3> because when i leave for university
19:51 <philippeqc> o ok
19:52 <guru3> i can't exactly keep using my parents internet
19:52 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: why does the constructor need the deque as a parameter?
19:53 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: we won't know the # of args until runtime
19:53 <philippeqc> is it empty when it receives it, or has some data and the ctor (constructor) append some, or it is prepopulated and nothing is added
19:53 <guru3> dinner, bbl
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor gets different data depending on the use
19:54 <philippeqc> yes
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the ::recreate ctor gets data assembled either by the C++ ctor or by the tValueParser
19:56 <philippeqc> in which case does the ctor actually add data to the deque?
19:56 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor creates the deque
19:56 <Luke-Jr> and adds all its arguments to it
19:58 <philippeqc> so the ctor never receive a prepopulated deque?
19:59 <philippeqc> could you describe the problem you are trying to fix. not the "how to pass unlimited args to a constructor" but the problem that let you to find that as a solution.
20:06 <Luke-Jr> I have a string with class name, and a deque with arguments
20:07 <Luke-Jr> Factory fixes class name -> class problem
20:08 <philippeqc> can the same class really take a variying number of parameter?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> it's not the same class
20:08 <philippeqc> so some class will take 1, some 2, etc...
20:08 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:08 <Luke-Jr> but we don't know the argument count for the CALL until runtime
20:08 <Luke-Jr> AFAIK, you can't call with a var # of args in C++
20:09 <philippeqc> so you could actually have a factory for all the class that take 1 param, one for all the class that take 2, etc
20:09 <Luke-Jr> so how will I turn the deque into actual arguments?
20:09 <philippeqc> switch (deque.size()) case 1: factory1.create(); break; case 2: factory2.create(); break; ...
20:10 <Luke-Jr> that doesn't pass the arguments to the ctor
20:10 <philippeqc> factory2.create(deque[0], deque[1])
20:10 <Luke-Jr> eww :x
20:11 <Luke-Jr> but I guess it would work up to a limited # of args
20:11 <philippeqc> at some point, you have to map a deque to some parameters.
20:11 <Luke-Jr> perhaps have a master factory, then
20:11 <Luke-Jr> which you pass the class name and deque to
20:12 <Luke-Jr> and it does the arg counting
20:12 <Luke-Jr> of course, we need a special factory anyway, so that's probably simple to add
20:12 <Luke-Jr> (to match not just class name, but class type)
20:12 <Luke-Jr> eg, some functions are only applicable for zones-- so they would have a zone type
20:13 <Luke-Jr> some are only for cockpits, etc
20:13 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: I'm not saying I know all about C++ and your problem, but I get the feeling you started on a track, and are bangning your head trying to bend C++ to fit that track, while maybe it is your design that should be revised.
20:13 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no, your idea solves it pretty good
20:14 <Luke-Jr> but even with a factory, we have 2 constructors :x
20:14 <Luke-Jr> I think?
20:14 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you have never implemented a factory, played with constructors and templates and function/ctor overloading based on arguments, and somehow I feel you are trying to take it all at once in one complex melting pot
20:17 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the problem is allowing both factory and C++ construction without extra code per-class
20:18 <Luke-Jr> eg, new Add() using the same code as Add::create()
20:18 <Luke-Jr> I want the Add() to use a template to call Add::create(), and not need to implement a dummy Add::Add() in .cpp
20:18 <philippeqc> yes,and it sound true when you say it. But maybe what you need right now is to put that on ice, learn about constructor (1), learn about overloading (2), learn about templates (3), make a few factories for the fun of it (4) and then come back to your problem
20:19 <philippeqc> Add::create() should call Add()
20:19 <Luke-Jr> ok, then that works too
20:19 <Luke-Jr> but I don't want every single class to implement ::create, you know?
20:19 <philippeqc> make your factory function call the right constructor. Check the code that I pointed out
20:20 <philippeqc> every single class will have to implement ::create(). that one is static and public, and the real constructor is private. That is the basis of  the factory design pattern
20:20 <philippeqc> (IIRC)
20:21 <Luke-Jr> that's what I want to avoid
20:21 <philippeqc> Look
20:21 <philippeqc> at
20:21 <philippeqc> my
20:21 <philippeqc> code
20:21 <philippeqc> (I coulnd't insist more than that)
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20:24 <Luke-Jr> template<typename T, ... Args> Base *create(Args args) {
20:24 <Luke-Jr>    return new T(args);
20:24 <Luke-Jr> }
20:24 <Luke-Jr> maybe that
20:25 <philippeqc> then you need to call that from withing a switch case to pass the right T
20:25 <philippeqc> which is what you are trying to avoid
20:25 <philippeqc> have you checked at my code?
20:26 <Luke-Jr> that's based on your code
20:29 <philippeqc> so you saw that the cost is either a big fat ugly switch case (3 lines / entry for readability )everywhere you want to call the "factory" or a single additional line for each class ;)
20:29 <philippeqc> I'm going to eat and watch a movie
20:29 <Luke-Jr> or neither
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20:32 <Luke-Jr> this all just reiterates the suckiness of C++
20:32 <Luke-Jr> factories shouldn't be necessary anyway
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 	template<typename T> class Creator<T> {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 	public:
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 		template<... Args> static Base *create(Args args) const {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 			return new T(args);
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 		};
20:46 <Luke-Jr> 	};
20:46 <Luke-Jr> Creator<Add>::create
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21:57  * wrtlprnft thinks Luke-Jr is thinking too complicated
21:58 <Luke-Jr> maybe more complicated for tValue, but simpler for the implementations
22:00 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you wanted ::Get<float> etc, right?
22:00 <Luke-Jr>     // Alipha in ##c++ is awesome? ;p
22:00 <Luke-Jr>     template<> float Get<float>() const { return GetFloat(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr>     template<> float Get<int>() const { return GetInt(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr>     template<> float Get<tString>() const { return GetString(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr>     template<> float Get<Variant>() const { return GetValue(); }
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't work
22:07 <Luke-Jr> no?
22:10 <Luke-Jr> hrm, /me ponders why
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22:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my implementation of random and sin functions
22:53 <Luke-Jr> 	typedef fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
22:53 <Luke-Jr> 	typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> sin;
22:56 <DrJoeTron> alright boys
22:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: ?
22:56 <DrJoeTron> personal opinion
22:57 <DrJoeTron> you think I can get something recorded in less that 2 weeks?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> than*
22:57 <DrJoeTron> 2 weeks is all i have
22:58 <Luke-Jr> recorded?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> music
22:58 <Luke-Jr> um
22:58 <Luke-Jr> if you have a mic, sure
22:58 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:58 <DrJoeTron> sweet
22:59 <DrJoeTron> getting into crunch time
23:04 <linuxlizzard> waht exactly are you trying to pull off here joe? ;P
23:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5965 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Allow Get<type> instead of GetType
23:11 <DrJoeTron> me?
23:11 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i are trying to get things recorded
23:11 <DrJoeTron> since we were just 1upped
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and we have 2 weeks before he leaves
23:11 <DrJoeTron> so
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we're trying to get our stuff going
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we were 1upped by our old guitarist
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and his stuff is just so retarded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> so we want to get like 4 songs recorded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> 2 of which are jams
23:13 <DrJoeTron> 2 are going to be les claypool ish
23:13 <DrJoeTron> psuedo folk songs, songs about people
23:13 <DrJoeTron> made up people
23:15 <linuxlizzard> heh
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23:44 <guru3> someone open up the main armagetronad.net site plz?
23:44 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:44 <DrJoeTron> what am i looking for
23:44 <guru3> bottom of the page
23:44 <guru3> black button there?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> support this project?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> yes
23:45 <guru3> good
23:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, I see your personal site there
23:45 <guru3> mmm
23:45 <wrtlprnft> electricpotential.net
23:45 <guru3> guess the dns hasn't updated for you
23:46 <wrtlprnft> now it works
23:47 <guru3> cool
23:47 <wrtlprnft> my browser is caching all DNS queries
23:47 <guru3> that saves me about 4GB/month of traffic now
23:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm, hopefully I'll get a shiny new vserver in about half a year
23:48 <wrtlprnft> when the domain for my old hosting runs out
23:49 <wrtlprnft> then I won't have any trouble hosting something that takes 4GB/month
23:49 <guru3> it's not that i have trouble
23:49 <guru3> but that i don't want to leave it at home
23:49 <guru3> when i don't live here anymore
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i read it
23:49 <guru3> god knows what will happen to the forums :/
23:49 <guru3> anyone be ticked off if they just disapear?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i won't be that happy
23:53 <DrJoeTron> http://user.it.uu.se/~svens/larverna/normal.html attack of the catterpillars
23:54 <wrtlprnft> give the database to Lucifer_arma or someone
23:54 <wrtlprnft> if it's just plain PHP or mysql I could even host them
23:54 <wrtlprnft> how much traffic do they generate?
23:54 <guru3> that's kind of sick
23:55 <guru3> the forums?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:55 <guru3> i'm afraid to look
23:56 <wrtlprnft> anything below 45GB i could do
23:57 <guru3> i know the folder is ~1GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> ack
23:57 <wrtlprnft> that's a limit I can't do
23:57 <guru3> which
23:57 <wrtlprnft> the size
23:57 <guru3> is why i'm afraid to check out actual bandwith usage
23:57 <wrtlprnft> my hoser gives me only one GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> *hoster
23:58 <guru3> ><
23:58 <guru3> having the forums where they've been
23:58 <guru3> has been a godsend
23:59 <wrtlprnft> and you couldn't put them on SF?

Log from 2006-08-05:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 05 2006
00:00 <guru3> the forums?
00:00 <guru3> no
00:00 <guru3> that's against their agreement thing
00:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
00:00 <guru3> plus the max there is 100MB
00:00 <guru3> and it all has to be project relatead
00:01 <wrtlprnft> failing that I could sure put it on my home server, but as I already stated it's a 400MHz box on a connection with about 90KB/s upstream
00:01 <guru3> which is the same sort of conn the main site has been on
00:02 <wrtlprnft> well, the key is
00:02 <wrtlprnft> how much traffic do the forums generate?
00:02 <guru3> i've never analyzed the log file
00:02 <wrtlprnft> so big?
00:02 <guru3> i dunno
00:02 <guru3> let me find it
00:02 <guru3> 2.1GB
00:03 <wrtlprnft> wow
00:03 <guru3> meh
00:03 <guru3> ive got a 4gb one
00:03 <guru3> *3gb
00:03 <guru3> and that's only since febuary D:
00:03 <wrtlprnft> ugh
00:04 <guru3> you got that right :/
00:04 <guru3> i was wondering where the hell all my free space went
00:04 <guru3> the forums log file
00:04 <guru3> has 11091569 lines
00:04 <wrtlprnft> anyways, email wouldn't work on my server
00:05 <guru3> i should get gmail for armagetronad.net
00:05 <guru3> anyone opposed?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 6 months
00:05 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (6 months) = 21.0886872 kBps
00:05 <guru3> that's since 2004 btw
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 6 months in GB per month
00:05 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (6 months) = 52.8887224 GB per month
00:05 <wrtlprnft> oooh
00:05 <guru3> [15/Mar/2004:22:39:55 +0100]
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 18 months in GB per month
00:06 <guru3> that's the first entry
00:06 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (18 months) = 17.6295741 GB per month
00:06 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that's a good estimate
00:06 <guru3> who knows what the average file size is :S
00:06 <wrtlprnft> exactly
00:07 <guru3> guess i'll dl the log file
00:07 <guru3> and run awstats on it
00:07 <wrtlprnft> can't run it on the server?
00:07 <guru3> awstats not installed
00:08 <wrtlprnft> it's a local download for you, right. Else I'd have said installing awstats would be faster than downloading 4GB
00:08 <wrtlprnft> or 2GB
00:08 <wrtlprnft> s/else/otherwise
00:08 <guru3> shit gonna take years to dl the log file
00:09 <guru3> eta 40 minutes
00:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 90 KB per second * 1 month in GB
00:09 <armabot> (90 (KB per second)) * 1 month = 225.712724 gigabytes
00:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm, theorethically I should be able to serve that
00:09 <wrtlprnft> i love google for those kinds of calculations
00:10 <guru3> i just usually use my ti83+
00:10 <wrtlprnft> if i had my 84+ handy...
00:11 <guru3> ><
00:11 <guru3> who'd want an @armagetronad.net email?
00:11 <wrtlprnft> there's already one @sf.net i never check
00:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5966 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Moved writing of players.cfg before inclusion of everytime.cfg, so scripts that write everytime.cfg have the latest information.
00:11 <wrtlprnft> but sure, if i can check it out via pop3...
00:11 <guru3> you can check gmail via pop3
00:12 <wrtlprnft> so you can use gmail with your own domain?
00:12 <guru3> there's a beta for it
00:12 <guru3> i'm gonna sign armagetronad.net up for it
00:12  * wrtlprnft isn't up to date with latest google developments
00:12 <wrtlprnft> too fast for me to keep up
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5967 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed balancing if two unbalanced teams are present and the maximum number of players per team is reduced.
00:12 <guru3> i'm gonna arbitrarily say we need 50 email accounts
00:12 <wrtlprnft> that's lots for our team
00:13 <guru3> well maybe people that we're friendly with too
00:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
00:13 <guru3> like well known server admins
00:13 <wrtlprnft> still, 50 is plenty for now
00:13 <guru3> yup
00:14 <guru3> i'll lower it to 30
00:14 <guru3> nah
00:14 <guru3> 25
00:14 <wrtlprnft> does it cost?
00:14 <guru3> doesn't look like it
00:14 <wrtlprnft> then why limit?
00:14 <guru3> it
00:14 <guru3> isn't a limit
00:14 <guru3> it's
00:14 <guru3> "number of accounts needed"
00:15 <wrtlprnft> can you increase that later?
00:15 <guru3> who knows
00:16 <guru3> "why we want gmail"
00:16 <guru3> "Since we're a small open source project we have no cash flow and being able to use as good an interface as Gmail for an email address that's likely to have technical questions and threads would be quite useful."
00:17 <guru3> changed it slightly
00:17 <guru3> hope they buy it
00:17 <wrtlprnft> so you want the forums server to send notifications from that address?
00:17 <guru3> no
00:17 <wrtlprnft> so that's unrelated
00:18 <guru3> yeah
00:18 <guru3> i use my isp's smtp for that :S
00:19 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess i could set it up to send emails from armagetronad@plus.cablesurf.de, but that's it
00:19 <guru3> you can lie about the sending address
00:19 <wrtlprnft> if you don't find anyone with better capacibilities
00:19 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i know, but i don't know if my ISP allows that
00:19 <guru3> i think they all say form forums@armagetronad.net
00:20 <wrtlprnft> lemme check something
00:22 <wrtlprnft> wow, that actually worked
00:22 <guru3> ?
00:22 <guru3> afk
00:22 <wrtlprnft> never mind, I can use my ISP's SMTP
00:22 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't seem to care about the From: header
00:26 <wrtlprnft> so, if you can't get Luke-Jr or z-man or Lucifer_arma or anyone else to host the forums I could do it. It's still better than having them go down, and sure I'd sign some agreement that I don't disclose stuff from the user table
00:27 <DrJoeTron> man im loving these smilies soo much
00:29 <guru3> wrtlprnft: thnx for the offer
00:29 <wrtlprnft> you're welcome
00:29 <guru3> but we're not licked yet
00:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
00:29 <Luke-Jr> um
00:29 <guru3> ie
00:29 <guru3> it's not necessary yet
00:29 <Luke-Jr> hachi has plenty of CPU/bandwidth/etc
00:29 <wrtlprnft> i'd just hate to see them go down. Too much history lies in there
00:29 <Luke-Jr> but it currently runs PHP 5 only...
00:30 <guru3> mmm
00:30 <guru3> that'd be tough to fix
00:30 <guru3> ie
00:30 <guru3> fresh install territory
00:30 <Luke-Jr> I could host it on tsurukikun, but that's the old host for aabeta, which sometimes is slow and such
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or I could try Gentoo's new both-PHP4-and-PHP5 thing
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or run PHP4 as CGI via SuPHP
00:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma will probably protest :P
00:32 <wrtlprnft> as CGI? are you insane? that'll be awfully slow
00:32  * Luke-Jr hasn't tried it, so wouldn't know
00:32 <Luke-Jr> in theory, lightfoot could host it
00:33 <Luke-Jr> but how much bandwidth does it need? I'll need to cap it so it doesn't mess w/ the servers hosted there
00:33 <wrtlprnft> that's the reason why there is mod_php so php doesn't need to start up for every page request
00:33 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: guru3 is currently trying to find out
00:33 <Luke-Jr> 512 kbit/sec enough? that's probably the most I can do unless I upgrade lightfoot
00:33 <Luke-Jr> oh
00:34 <Luke-Jr> guru3: can you forward luke-jr@armagetronad.net to me?
00:35  * Luke-Jr could certainly host armagetronad.net SMTP/IMAP/POP3 easily
00:36 <guru3> i'm asking gmail to do it ><
00:36 <wrtlprnft> well, at least we're not missing offers :)
00:36 <guru3> true
00:37 <Luke-Jr> guru3: GMail is decent, but lacks IMAP and I doubt non-@gmail get IM hosting
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma's already hosting the wiki, so he probably doesn't want additional bandwidth
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5968 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: GNUPLOT_DEBUG now also active in non-debug mode.
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed future walls left standing after crash.
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr is struggling with hosting a game server now, it probably won't run that well if you put the forums onto the same server
00:37 <wrtlprnft> err
00:38 <wrtlprnft> s/Luke-Fr/z-man/
00:38 <wrtlprnft> s/F/J/
00:38 <guru3> ><
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5969 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5946 to 5967:
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5967 | z-man | 2006-08-05 00:13:32 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 1 line
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed balancing if two unbalanced teams are present and the maximum number of players per team is reduced.
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5966 | z-man | 2006-08-05 00:12:35 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 1 line
00:38 <Luke-Jr> of course, even if GMail did provide IM services for other domains, they wouldn't work since our domain is still with uck no-ip
00:39 <wrtlprnft> 31 more messages till r6000!
00:39 <Luke-Jr> and no-ip doesn't allow SRV records-- no so IM
00:39 <Luke-Jr> so no*
00:39 <Luke-Jr> of course, hosting IM is simple =p
00:39 <wrtlprnft> we have this channel.
00:39 <Luke-Jr> this isn't IM
00:39 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:39 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter, it does its job
00:39 <Luke-Jr> this is MUC
00:39 <wrtlprnft> and it's 100% free
00:39 <Luke-Jr> MUC's job is different from IM's
00:40 <wrtlprnft> noone needs IM
00:40 <DrJoeTron> google is providing support with Gtalk
00:40 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:40 <DrJoeTron> to talk to people on AIM
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: maybe not for other domains
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: not yet
00:40 <DrJoeTron> its comming though
00:40 <wrtlprnft> people will do their own thing with ICQ/MSN/YIM/AIM/whatever anyways
00:40 <DrJoeTron> at least to AIM
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: hopefully it won't be GTalk-specific
00:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah, but @armagetronad.net could be nice for talking to AA ppl =p
00:41  * spidey bitch smacks Luke-Jr and DrJoeTron just cause he can
00:41 <DrJoeTron> well right now
00:41 <DrJoeTron> 44,000 people used Google talk
00:41 <DrJoeTron> so not many people use it
00:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, you can register any email address with MSN :O
00:41 <wrtlprnft> *:P
00:41 <DrJoeTron> that was as of last month
00:41 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: Google Talk isn't limited to talking to other GTalk users
00:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: MSN is non-standard
00:41 <DrJoeTron> i didnt say it ways
00:41 <DrJoeTron> was*
00:41 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't count
00:42 <DrJoeTron> right now it cant
00:42 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: you implied it
00:42 <Luke-Jr> you can use GTalk and talk to anyone else using a standards-compliant IM program/server
00:42 <DrJoeTron> Google talk can only talk to people who have some sort of version of google talk
00:42 <Luke-Jr> nope
00:42 <DrJoeTron> yes
00:42 <Luke-Jr> I don't use Google Talk
00:42 <Luke-Jr> you can talk to me
00:43 <wrtlprnft> I don't want/need yet another way people can ping me
00:43 <Luke-Jr> I use nothing Google =p
00:43 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it would just be yet another account on your Kopete =p
00:43 <DrJoeTron> you have a similar program to it then
00:43 <DrJoeTron> and so far, only just you 
00:43 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: where's your standards- compliant search engine?
00:43 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I have a standards-compliant program, and use it with my own IM server
00:43 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I use 0% Google for IM
00:44 <DrJoeTron> i read that
00:44 <DrJoeTron> DrJoeTron> you have a similar program to it then
00:44 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: plenty of people use IM without Google
00:44 <Luke-Jr> more than people using ICQ
00:44 <DrJoeTron> im one of them
00:44 <DrJoeTron> i use AIM
00:44 <Luke-Jr> AIM isn't standard IM
00:44 <Luke-Jr> yet
00:44 <wrtlprnft> AIM? omg
00:44 <DrJoeTron> ICQ is terrible
00:44 <wrtlprnft> so is AIM
00:45 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: ICQ was the first, and is better than AIM and MSN
00:45 <Luke-Jr> and Yahoo
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and MSN
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and YIM
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and Yabber
00:45 <DrJoeTron> ICQ sucks
00:45 <DrJoeTron> AIm sucks
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and any IM, by definition
00:45 <wrtlprnft> sucks
00:45 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
00:45 <wrtlprnft> that's why IRC is so grat
00:45 <DrJoeTron> i prefer google talk out of all of them
00:45 <DrJoeTron> i have AIM because everyone i know has it
00:46 <Luke-Jr> I prefer Psi
00:46 <wrtlprnft> no flashy colors, no nudges, nothing unnecessary
00:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: IRC has flashy colours
00:46 <wrtlprnft> yes, but they aren't usually used
00:46 <Luke-Jr> and some clients have nudges sortof
00:46 <wrtlprnft> other than in MSN where everyone writes in his own unreadable font/color
00:46 <Luke-Jr> the base XMPP IM spec doesn't have fonts/colors anyhow
00:47 <wrtlprnft> and sends his huge ugly animated smileys around
00:47  * Luke-Jr hates graphical smilies
00:47 <wrtlprnft> they're nice as long as thery're small
00:47 <wrtlprnft> not higher than a normal character
00:47 <Luke-Jr> I like :) better
00:48 <Luke-Jr> what I *really* hate is when I type ":)" and it replaces with a graphic
00:48 <wrtlprnft> pfft
00:48 <wrtlprnft> * *
00:48 <wrtlprnft>  -
00:48 <wrtlprnft> ---
00:48  * wrtlprnft sucks at ASCII art
00:48 <Luke-Jr> indeed
00:49 <Luke-Jr> o o
00:49 <Luke-Jr>  |
00:49 <Luke-Jr> \_/
00:49 <wrtlprnft> x x
00:49 <wrtlprnft>  |
00:49 <wrtlprnft> .-.
00:49 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
00:50 <wrtlprnft> ><-}}}�>
00:51 <wrtlprnft> something like that
00:51 <wrtlprnft> might have been >-<}}}�> too
00:51 <wrtlprnft> or ><}}}-�>?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> probably the first one
00:52 <wrtlprnft> only idiots write in color all the time!
00:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:53 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:53 <Luke-Jr> guru3: figured out bandwidth yet?
00:54 <spidey> mmm
00:54 <spidey> using 18% of my ram
00:54 <spidey> now that's more like it
00:54 <spidey> ;x
00:55 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.17-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.926 MHz) - Processes: 216 - Uptime: 3d 20h 50m - Users: 27 - Load Average: 1.56 - Memory Usage: 1864MB/1002MB (185%)
00:55 <spidey> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz Video: Plug and Play Monitor on Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (1280x1024x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: SoundMAX Digital Audio Memory: Used: 98/504MB Uptime: 2d 8h 31m 58s HD: [C:] 40.61/111.75 GB [F:] 8.06/12.72 GB Connection: ADMtek AN983 based ethernet adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 2598.57MB Sent: 1422.72MB)
00:55 <Luke-Jr> I wish I knew how much RAM I used on lightfoot
00:55 <spidey> only using 98mb
00:55 <spidey> :p
00:56 <Luke-Jr> maybe I should put Xen on hachi and colocate it =p
00:56 <spidey> Xen?
00:56 <Luke-Jr> think VServer++ =p
00:56 <spidey> oh
00:56 <Luke-Jr> or rather
00:56 <Luke-Jr> allowing multiple OS to run on the same system concurrently
00:57 <spidey> ah
00:57 <spidey> well me = tron untill this pc decides to go back to using 490+mb of my ram
00:57 <spidey> >.<
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can't you just run free -m?
01:01 <wrtlprnft>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Mem:          1010        878        132          0         80        284
01:01 <wrtlprnft> -/+ buffers/cache:        513        497
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Swap:          488        258        230
01:01 <guru3> not figured out bandwith
01:01 <guru3> on tomorrow's todo list
01:02 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm off to bed anyways
01:02 <wrtlprnft> 1AM here
01:02 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:02 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: doesn't work
01:02 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ok, well let me know
01:02 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure we can figure something out-- the forum is pretty important
01:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:20 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sleep well
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01:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be happy to host an html archive of the forums
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> of course, sourceforge could host that too
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01:46 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: you kicking around right now?
01:46 <guru3> sadly still
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> if the choice is "lose the forums" or "lucifer hosts the forums", I'll take the forums
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> I have a strong preference for moving them into drupal and combining them with the main site, though :)
01:47 <guru3> ><
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, there's a part of me that says "shut up and wait until they're gone and then setup new drupal-based forums"
01:48 <guru3> :o lol
01:49 <[dlh]> I'd prefer a mailing list over forums, and it looks like drupal has several modules to link together forums and a mailing list. best of both worlds.
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be interested in moving developent discussion to a mailing list
01:52 <[dlh]> The gmail thing tank signed up for hosts mailing lists, it looks like.
01:52 <[dlh]> or maybe not. hmm.
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not terribly interested in letting google take it
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> If we're going to accept advertising on our pages, I'd just as soon we pocket the money ourselves
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft:
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> checking for FT_Render_Glyph in -lftgl... no
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> configure: error: You need the library ftgl to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, nothing has changed :(
01:59 <guru3> good night
02:00 <ghableska> cya
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> night guru3 
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5970 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp:
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Security fixes:
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - network ID hog kicking code repaired (it produced endless loops)
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - owner of received object checked on the server
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nvm, just fallout from rebuilding my system with gcc 4.1
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5971 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (network/nNetObject.cpp tron/gCycle.cpp): (log message trimmed)
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5967 to 5970:
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5970 | z-man | 2006-08-05 02:07:24 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  Security fixes:
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  - network ID hog kicking code repaired (it produced endless loops)
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  - owner of received object checked on the server
02:14 <Luke-Jr> I have a project I started a while ago that did NNTP, ML, and forums combined
02:15 <Luke-Jr> the forums were really the only incomplete part
02:15 <Luke-Jr> mainly because I wanted to make it a phpBB backend of a sort
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02:57 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig shrink
02:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK: Distance multiplier in wall length calculation. All values are legal. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSETDistance: offset in wall length calculation. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSET_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (1 more message)
02:58 <Vanhayes> #more
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK: With finite length trails, the used rubber is multiplied with this value and the result is subtracted from the wall length. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK differs from its default? (default: 3)
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03:13 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: what ever happened with that LOL clan server, TNA thing? 
03:13 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: no idea, haven't heard from any of them
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> titboy probably ot booted from lol
03:15 <Vanhayes> he did, and then fucked their webpage over with porn
03:18 <spidey> i agree
03:18 <spidey> ;
03:18 <spidey> ;x
03:19 <spidey> tna is starting to turn out worse than psyko
03:20 <Vanhayes> well psyko isnt bad in the game its only out of it on forums he gets really annoying
03:21 <spidey> you haven't seen the real psyko
03:21 <spidey> what you see either way is some bullshit front he puts on
03:21 <Vanhayes> well ive seen TNA flip out and start going crazy over somone missing a block in styball
03:22 <spidey> lol
03:22 <spidey> tna's like a adhd kid
03:22 <spidey> he doesn't count
03:23 <Vanhayes> i mean he went insane, started swearing and insulting for like 5 min straight untill he got kicked
03:23 <spidey> lol
04:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
04:06 <Vanhayes> wow I think it might be fixed for good now
04:07 <Vanhayes> #more
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || FCSS (1 players) || ATC Team (0 players) || {Accelerator's place} (jalsti.dyndns.org:4540) (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
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04:11 <Lucifer_arma> there's something off about the new title theme
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> anybody update from the trunk today and play?
04:22 <[dlh]_> I would offer input, but I have sound disabled.
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04:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I saw the post.  Your problem will be solved soon, it just takes some reworking to get it
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05:34 <Vanhayes> hmm I need sleep, gotta get up early to go on vacation Night
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07:08 <Luke-Jr> hrm, is trunk broken?
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08:09 <Luke-Jr> my factory doesn't work :'(
08:09 <Luke-Jr> and GCC gives me totally useless debug info
08:09  * Luke-Jr stabs
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08:40 <Lucifer_arma> damn, where's joda when you want to show him something that really fucking rocks?
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09:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5972 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/: a branch for some incomplete and broken code
09:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5973 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): incomplete code for a template factory and such-- need help making it work
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09:08 <Luke-Jr> #later wrtlprnft when you get up, could you look at the tValueFactory branch and see if you can figure out why the tValue::Creator template doesn't work? Thanks
09:08 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft when you get up, could you look at the tValueFactory branch and see if you can figure out why the tValue::Creator template doesn't work? Thanks
09:08 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> yay, webserver has ssl
09:56  * wrtlprnft doesn't like the idea of getting the forums integrated into some CMS :(
10:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5974 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.h: Removed a bunch of extra semicolons, now the branch compiles.
10:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I still think you're thinking too compilicated, having a dummy class there, but I made it compile
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10:18 <guru3> holy shit
10:18 <guru3> after moving the website to sf.net's servers
10:18 <guru3> we jumped 50 ranks in activity
10:18 <guru3> to #37
10:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:19 <wrtlprnft> too bad we can't move the forums there
10:19 <wrtlprnft> still awake or awake again?
10:19 <guru3> awake again
10:19 <guru3> having the sf.net logo on the forums helps out too
10:20 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5975 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg: updated title track again
10:21 <wrtlprnft> guru3: call me an idiot, but i blocked that logo in my content blocker since it slows down loading the forums a LOT sometimes
10:21 <guru3> you're an idiot
10:22 <guru3> ;)
10:24 <wrtlprnft> I could just set up a cronjob that fetches it every hour if that helps
10:24 <guru3> ><
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: heh, I misread what you said, or rather, missed some important lines
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> particularly, the one that says "we're not licked yet"
10:24 <guru3> ><
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> I may have just screwed up the intro track now, it just felt wrong like it was
10:26 <guru3> ><
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> either the intro track should just be the "orchestra hits" and the gui track plays the theme, or the hits have to be trimmed so the intro track is the length of the theme only
10:27 <wrtlprnft> what about playing a random version of the title track everytime arma starts?
10:27 <guru3> can we have it say 'welcome to tron' in a cool voice like nexiuz says 'welcome to nexiuz' ?
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> that would requiring making all the possibilities
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with putting the forums into a CMS?
10:28 <wrtlprnft> will the URIs change?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:29 <wrtlprnft> will there be some annoying sidebar that's visible all the time?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
10:29 <wrtlprnft> will there be even more stuff on every page that makes loading slower?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure drupal can be configured not to do that
10:29 <wrtlprnft> "cool URIs never change"
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80911#80911  <--- this is not a cool URI
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> because cool URIs don't have querystrings in them
10:30 <wrtlprnft> right, but it IS an URI and shouldn't change
10:30 <wrtlprnft> too many things link to the forums
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that I'd consider that a showstopper
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> because down that path you will only find stagnation
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand,
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> we'd get single login for the wiki and the forums
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #google link:forums.armagetronad.net
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> you could look at ONE link and view all new content since your last visit
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.31 seconds: THE CUP - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/THE_CUP>; Team List - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Team_List&printable=yes>; Forty-forty-twenty - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Forty-forty-twenty>; News - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: (2 more messages)
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> right now you have to go and look at several different sites
10:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: at least make the old URIs permanently redirect to the new ones
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> but that one link would show you new wiki articles, site updates (news and stuff, new releases), and new forum posts
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> you want to go through all the old uris and build a redirect file, you do it
10:33 <wrtlprnft> just put a viewtopic.php and viewforum.php on the server :P
10:33 <wrtlprnft> and have it redirect
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> for all I know, the phpbb2drupal module handles it
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably the place to do it, too
10:34 <wrtlprnft> #google fight site:forums.armagetronad.net
10:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: site:forums.armagetronad.net: 13000
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> and "have it redirect" requires it know what the old uris are attached to in the new system....
10:34 <guru3> no 0.2.8.2.1 x86_64 binary :S
10:35 <wrtlprnft> 1300 pages in google... We'd lose that
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's too many goddamn version digits
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you know, I won't move to a new house because too many people send me mail at my old house
10:35 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2.1.4.2.7-r12
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> makes no difference that I grew out of my house, my kids are all sleeping in the garage because it's only a 2-bedroom, etc.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> also doesn't matter that I got a job on the other side of the country
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, sometimes moving is the Right Decision
10:36 <wrtlprnft> but you need to keep the URIs compatible
10:37 <wrtlprnft> there's so many forum posts and wiki pages that link to other forums posts
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> says who?  people that have linked to forum posts on sites outside our control and don't have some way to check their links have done something borderline stupid anyway
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, most of the forum posts aren't a big deal anyway, those discussions are over and not much is lost by not being able to follow the link
10:38 <wrtlprnft> it still has a history value
10:38 <wrtlprnft> imagine if someone searches for a solution for some problem on the forums
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> wiki pages, well, I'm not talking about just moving the forums, I'm talking about forums *and* wiki, so the wiki links get translated when it's moved (and it has to be moved by hand)
10:39 <wrtlprnft> all he finds is a topic where someone links to another topic with the solution
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I doubt that'll actually happen.  :)  Drupal's search is very good, much *MUCH* better than phpBBs
10:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki->wiki links will updated themselves, luckiyl
10:40 <wrtlprnft> while forums->wiki links won't
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a nice filter that'll let you prevent links from becoming links in posts for users of certain roles, which would mitigate the damage by spammers
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> forums->wiki links won't, but drupal has a nice module for giving search results for 404 errors
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> chances are very good that a broken forum->wiki link will show the right page high in those search results
10:41 <wrtlprnft> that still won't help for google
10:42 <wrtlprnft> #google fight site:wiki.armagetronad.net
10:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: site:wiki.armagetronad.net: 2280
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> luckily google reindexes at least once a month
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> so it only matters for about a month
10:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that means it will lose all the old pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> it will remove them
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> and gain all the new pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> it'll take monts for it to gain all new pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *months
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, no?
10:43 <wrtlprnft> anyways, it shouldn't be too hard to make PHP files at the old locstions that redirect to the new ones
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> the hard part is making the mapping of old to new
10:44 <wrtlprnft> with a 301 code
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> if the phpbb2drupal module doesn't do it for you, then you're basically doing it by hand
10:44 <wrtlprnft> yes
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> how many of the links were you intending to map?
10:45 <wrtlprnft> all
10:45 <wrtlprnft> automatically
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> 80891 posts, each with its own link
10:45 <wrtlprnft> create, for example a viewtopic.php
10:45 <wrtlprnft> it could evaluate $_GET['t'] and look that id up in the database
10:46 <wrtlprnft> and then redirect to the new page all by itself
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> that id is a number that may or may not correspond to an id in the new database
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> the only way to know for sure is if the script doing the migration keeps track
10:47 <wrtlprnft> so it won't use the old table format?
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> no?  it's moving from one place to another....
10:48 <wrtlprnft> if you still use the same old table structure you can use the same old IDs
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> if you use the same old table structure, you don't have integration, you have phpbb hacked into your CMS
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> which gives us *nothing*
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> in drupal, a post is a node
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> everything is a node, in fact
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> forum posts are nodes that are associated with a specific forum
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> comments are nodes that can be associated with anything (I think forum posts are stored as comments)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> so you put a story up, people can write in comments
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> you put up documentation, people can write in comments (just like the php manual)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> you can restrict comments from some nodes when created, and some node types completely
10:51 <wrtlprnft> great, so we're gonna lose all old links.
10:51  * wrtlprnft still isn't thrilled by that
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, everything in the taxonomy gets an rss feed
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think the rss feeds are neat.
10:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno if I wanna get a feed item for every post someone makes
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you want a feed for, I'm not saying "one feed, everything thrown into it"
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm saying "a whole bunch of feeds, pick the one you want"
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> with the views module you can even create special views and they'll have rss feeds.  :)
10:54 <wrtlprnft> i'm not sure if I would want any :P
10:54 <wrtlprnft> I'm checking the forums and wiki regularily enough
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> we can formally support clans too
10:54 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-36-179-244.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> give them their own pages on the site, their own areas of the forums, etc.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> same for server admins
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/Modules  <-- we can do anything here
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> and each module is built more or less as a primitive, so you can combine different modules and get them to do different things depending on your settings
10:56 <wrtlprnft> all clans have their own messed-up sites
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/signup     <--- sign up for a tournament
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/59469  <--- screenshots and tutorials in the wiki
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/spamspan  <--- filter for all forum posts, now you can put an email address in a post if you want
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's just in the s's
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/survey  <--- surveys, 'nuff said
10:59 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
10:59 <wrtlprnft> how will that script merge forums and wiki users anyways?
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> it won't
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki would have to be moved by hand
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> we'll lose the history in the process, or someone can write a migration script
11:00 <wrtlprnft> so we're gonna lose all history?
11:00 <wrtlprnft> great.
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki format itself is supported, but there's no migration for it
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't make sense to me.
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/video  <--- useful when it's possible to make videos of the game
11:02 <wrtlprnft> we're losing links, google, wiki history, wiki users, performance, ...
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> and gaining nothing, apparently
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's absolutely nothing of value in it
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> so nevermind, forget I mentioned it
11:03 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> let's keep bitching about all the things we don't have while we're at it, especially the things we dont' have that drupal would give us
11:03 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> i never did
11:04 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
11:04 <philippeqc> hi
11:04 <wrtlprnft> the only advanatage i really see is that we would get valid XHTML maybe
11:04 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc 
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/31649  <--- here's something we could use *now*
11:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: is it you or me who broke trunk?
11:05 <wrtlprnft> it's broken?
11:05 <philippeqc> I guess its me, but I would have seen that error before
11:05 <wrtlprnft> then it's luke
11:05 <philippeqc> according to z-man post from yesterday
11:05 <wrtlprnft> what version of BISON do you have?
11:05 <philippeqc> at 23:17
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/53735  <--- show people how much time developers really spend just so they can come in here and bitch at us
11:05  * wrtlprnft dislikes the SF tracker anyways
11:07  * wrtlprnft notes he's often doing various things simultaneously and the timer wouldn't show anything useful at all
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/buddylist  <--- this might be useful
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/14524  <-- annoyed by old threads being resurrected?  This will close them automatically
11:09 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you want, i can't stop you anyways
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/event  <-- for tournament scheduling, useful with the one I linked before
11:10 <wrtlprnft> what prevents us from having that separately from the forums and the wiki?
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/38757  <--- finally, docbook export of Books, which can be a lot of things, providing a real user manual with the game
11:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i don't think i caused that
11:11 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5976 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (9 files): Merged the 4 list of EffectGroup into a single one. Pass more data down the whole pipeline of zone effects.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's not useful without the community being there, and without bringing the forums or the wiki, probably nobody will come
11:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I guess you didnt, but that doesnt mean you wont end up my scape goat
11:11 <philippeqc> ;)
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> it gets most useful when everybody that currently uses the forums and everybody on the wiki all come together
11:12 <wrtlprnft> oh, as the wiki is CC we can't move it without keeping the history
11:12 <wrtlprnft> how would you give credit to the authors?
11:13 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: you HAVE to install the #53735
11:14 <philippeqc> OUCH!
11:14 <philippeqc> big appologies
11:14 <philippeqc> I did a commit without doing a update before!!!!!!
11:14 <philippeqc> help me
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> you say "we moved at this date" and use a generic account for it, heh
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't break the title track, did you?
11:14 <philippeqc> my last update was yesterday evening
11:14 <wrtlprnft> anyways, how is /index.php?id=12345 worse than /node/12345?
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/glossary  <--- glossary, 'nuff said
11:15 <wrtlprnft> if we use rewriting the URIs should contain something useful to help search engines
11:15 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma help me!
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> because /index.php?id=12345 and /index.php?id=34567 are the same page
11:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: how? SVN is supposed to prevent you from doing that
11:15 <philippeqc> well, it didnt
11:16 <philippeqc> how do I verify the level of chaos I brough to the project?
11:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: do a diff between the version you had cheched out and the version before you commited
11:16 <wrtlprnft> and try to merge these changes back
11:17 <philippeqc> how do I get those version #?
11:17 <philippeqc> I commited under version 5976, so I'd guess the later is 5975
11:17 <wrtlprnft> well, the one before you commited was r5975
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/pathauto  <--- like that?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> and the one when you last checked out... do you know the date and time?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> approximately?
11:18 <philippeqc> yesterday ~19h 
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/notify  <--- useful for people who just read.  Get one email every week that has all the new stuff, only visit when you need to
11:19 <wrtlprnft> http://drupal.org/node/73232
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/nmoderation  <--- slashdot-like comment moderation
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/Modules  <--- in fact, this listing is driven by a module we could use
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/nodewords  <--- if meta tags still matter for search engines, problem solved
11:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: svn diff -r "{2006-08-04 19:00}":5975
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/mailhandler  <-- post new content via email (not sure I like this one, though)
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/lovehate  <--- Vote "I love double-binding" and "I hate double-grinding"
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's a real community builder :)
11:23 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: or rather svn diff -r "{2006-08-04 19:00}":5975 src/tron/zone | gvim -
11:24  * wrtlprnft guesses there's no way stopping Lucifer_arma anyways
11:24 <philippeqc> thanks, but it seems to be empty
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/65206  <-- keeps our links directory up to date
11:24 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: weird
11:24 <philippeqc> yes
11:25 <wrtlprnft> well
11:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like nothing happened to these files in that time
11:25 <philippeqc> going to 18:00
11:25 <philippeqc> pffff
11:25 <philippeqc> so svn let me 'cause nothing happend!
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> and joda gets his wish on the wiki for german translations
11:25 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
11:25 <philippeqc> ;)
11:26 <wrtlprnft> nothing happened to the files you commited
11:26 <wrtlprnft> but things happened to other files
11:26 <wrtlprnft> and those changes conflicted :P
11:26 <philippeqc> ok, now a new question, how did z-man generate THAT error message when I cant get it?
11:26 <wrtlprnft> do you get any error message?
11:26 <philippeqc> would they conflict?
11:26 <philippeqc> no, I dont, but z-man reported it to the forum
11:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's already fixed?
11:27 <philippeqc> if it is fixed, it has a high chance of being in one of my files ;)
11:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: update to r5975 and see if you get any error?
11:28 <wrtlprnft> if you do get one there and not in the most current one you already fixed it
11:29 <philippeqc> [ph@localhost armagetronad]$ svn update r5975
11:29 <philippeqc> At revision 5976.
11:29 <philippeqc> ???
11:29 <wrtlprnft> svn update -r 5975
11:29 <wrtlprnft> you don't wanna update a file named "r5975"
11:30 <philippeqc> hehe, had my nose in "svn update -h"
11:31 <philippeqc> I'm re-compiling with DEBUGLEVEL=3 and CODELEVEL=3 just in case
11:32 <philippeqc> but there are so many other warning there that its really pointless
11:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:32 <wrtlprnft> try DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 CXXFLAGS=-Werr
11:32 <philippeqc> so back to square 1, how did he get that warning/error
11:32 <wrtlprnft> the most current revision compiles for me.
11:34 <wrtlprnft> err, -Werror
11:36 <philippeqc> weird, it went over the shttpd warning!
11:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:36 <wrtlprnft> shttpd is a C file
11:37 <wrtlprnft> CXXFLAGS only applies for .cpp files
11:37 <philippeqc> ok
11:37 <philippeqc> ty
11:37 <wrtlprnft> use CFLAGS if you want to get C file too
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: In function 'int lex_getc()':
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:151: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: At global scope:
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:175: warning: 'bool follow(int)' defined but not used
11:38  * wrtlprnft slaps Luke-Jr 
11:38 <philippeqc> move back to head of trunk
11:38 <philippeqc> and will ask z-man how he got the error
11:39 <wrtlprnft> maybe he has another compiler version
11:39 <philippeqc> yes, it must be that
11:39 <wrtlprnft> or he screwed up (unlikely)
11:40 <philippeqc> i guess it is the parser's collection of safe-ptr that is at cause here, the one you helped me to fix by guiding me to t_JUST_CONTROLLED_PTR (or whatever)
11:41 <wrtlprnft> try just typedefing it to a normal pointer
11:43 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Jonathan&curid=1348&diff=14410&oldid=14376&rcid=13416 <-- x_x
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Lucifer&curid=1292&diff=14413&oldid=14412&rcid=13419
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> Jonathan's a good sport :)
11:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:53  * wrtlprnft is guilty of starting the whole thing
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/312  <--- if luke's "standard IM authentication" scheme ever works out, website users can be authenticated finally and matched up to their in-game personas
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> that page doesn't show what I said
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> User authentication - Users can register and authenticate locally or using an external authentication source like Jabber, Blogger, LiveJournal or another Drupal website. For use on an intranet, Drupal can integrate with an LDAP server.  <--- from their feature list
11:58 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: arent virtual members inhereted as they are until they are re-declared?
12:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how is the parser for tValue coming along?
12:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ask Luke-Jr 
12:01 <philippeqc> you stopped working on your own ?
12:02 <wrtlprnft> looks like Luke-Jr deleted it
12:02 <wrtlprnft> my tValue::Expr that is
12:02 <philippeqc> ??????????
12:02 <philippeqc> why
12:02 <wrtlprnft> which already worked to a degree
12:02 <wrtlprnft> actually it did work perfectly for "normal" expressions
12:02 <wrtlprnft> you could even define your own variables
12:02 <wrtlprnft> just no callbacks, yet
12:03 <philippeqc> so it worked
12:03 <philippeqc> and was on the way for more
12:03 <wrtlprnft> some more
12:03 <philippeqc> and you let luke delete it?
12:03 <wrtlprnft> let?
12:03 <wrtlprnft> i didn't ask him to
12:03 <philippeqc> you didnt undeleted it
12:03 <wrtlprnft> dunno why it's gone
12:03 <wrtlprnft> i didn't notice it was deleted
12:05 <philippeqc> could you undelete it
12:05 <wrtlprnft> hmm, luke changed some tValue stuff
12:06 <wrtlprnft> gotta find the revision it was last there
12:07 <wrtlprnft> r5930 removed it
12:11 <philippeqc> dont let yourself being bullied
12:12 <wrtlprnft> grr
12:12 <wrtlprnft> X11 crashed
12:12 <philippeqc> ouch
12:12 <wrtlprnft> and now i don't have anymore anialiased font
12:12 <wrtlprnft> s
12:12 <wrtlprnft> must have something to do with the new KDE version
12:13 <wrtlprnft> it's still enabled in KDE...
12:13 <wrtlprnft> kcontrol that is
12:14 <wrtlprnft> but everything looks absolutely ugly now, including this image
12:15 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah
12:15 <wrtlprnft> way better like that
12:15 <wrtlprnft> turns out i had to disable it and enable it again for some reason
12:17 <philippeqc> lol, not only do I have a zone that affect a setting (cycle_speed 100) but does that setting get preserve on the next rounds ;)
12:17 <philippeqc> talk about an unforseen effect when I started the next round ;)
12:18 <wrtlprnft> why? why can't i donate to arma without a credit card?
12:20 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5977 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.h: zZone has AddRef and Release methods to fix a compiling issue.
12:22 <wrtlprnft> lol, i committed some testing code there too
12:22 <wrtlprnft> with a class named blah having an instance named asdfgsf
12:22 <philippeqc> lol
12:22 <philippeqc> asdfgsf, wow, you have lots of time to name your instances. They are lucky to get asdf !
12:23 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:23 <wrtlprnft> it was just some code i wanted to have executed
12:24 <wrtlprnft> so i made a dummy class with a global instance to have the constructor called
12:26 <philippeqc> ;)
12:30 <wrtlprnft> ok, it seems to work
12:30 <wrtlprnft> i'll commit after a make devcheck
12:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5978 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Reincarnated tValue::Expr, no reason to delete it until Luke-Jr's parser has been proven to work. look at tValue.cpp for some commented-out example on how to use it (search for "blah").
12:32 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: philippeqc 
12:33 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes yes
12:33 <wrtlprnft> :D
12:33 <philippeqc> updating
12:33 <philippeqc> making
12:34 <philippeqc> want to guide me through it?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> there basically is a guide :)
12:34 <philippeqc> where?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> tValue.cpp:255
12:35 <philippeqc> I had my nose there already
12:35 <philippeqc> ;)
12:35 <wrtlprnft> of course you'd save the expr you construced as a normal tValue on the way
12:35 <wrtlprnft> and re-use it as parsing is expensive
12:37 <wrtlprnft> so for now you can have basic variables there like the timestep
12:37 <wrtlprnft> or the time someone was in the zone
12:37 <wrtlprnft> be crative
12:37 <wrtlprnft> *creative
12:38 <philippeqc> so your saying that right now, it doesnt generate any tValue,but is usable by itself.
12:38 <philippeqc> and as long as I point it to variables instead of callback, its ok
12:39 <philippeqc> feel like hacking the first moving zone?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> nono
12:39 <wrtlprnft> it IS a tValue
12:39 <wrtlprnft> just like tValue::Callback or tValue::Float
12:40 <philippeqc> but it doesnt build a tValue tree, it is just warped in a tValue
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:40 <philippeqc> is the parsing done only at construction?
12:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr is working on something building a tree
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:41 <wrtlprnft> which means all the variables you're giving it have to live as long as the Expr does
12:41 <wrtlprnft> which basically means they have to be global x_X
12:41 <wrtlprnft> until we get callbacks
12:41 <philippeqc> ug
12:42 <wrtlprnft> not pretty, i know
12:42 <philippeqc> does it support sin and cos?
12:43 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:43 <philippeqc> ;)
12:43 <wrtlprnft> and tan and log and a whole lot more
12:43 <wrtlprnft> it would be easy to add more functions with one or more parameters
12:44 <wrtlprnft> just functions with no parameters will be messy
12:44 <philippeqc> and callbacks?
12:44 <philippeqc> coulnd you just send an useless first parameter?
12:44 <philippeqc> until you have a better solution?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> even more ugly but doable
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> you guys use any backup programs?
12:53 <philippeqc> I'd put callback as higher priority than 0 param func, as you can always give a foony param
12:53 <philippeqc> just to get current time, its alrady a PITA
12:54  * philippeqc shamefully has to say no
12:54  * wrtlprnft uses rsync once in a while
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I was hoping you'd say "yes" and direct me to one that handles mysql database dumping and portage
13:00 <philippeqc> Give a man a fish feed him for one day. Let him google how to fish and he wont ever bother you again with questions.
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5979 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Added the ability to use callbacks that accept one parameter with tValue::Expr. Updated the hidden example too.
13:02 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: philippeqc 
13:02  * philippeqc dances
13:03 <wrtlprnft> that's about all i can do without hacking mathexpt
13:03 <wrtlprnft> *mathexpr
13:05 <spidey> god damn it
13:05 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:05  * wrtlprnft agrees with spidey 
13:05 <spidey> this is bullshit
13:06  * wrtlprnft agrees with spidey again
13:06 <spidey> :|
13:06 <wrtlprnft> total bs indeed :|
13:06 <philippeqc> yeah spidey! Tell it as it is
13:06 <spidey> Points	77579 (Rank 1075 of 4474)
13:06 <spidey> er
13:07 <spidey> The server at 192.168.2.1 is taking too long to respond.
13:07 <spidey> nothing loads
13:07 <spidey> not even the fuckin router
13:07 <spidey> >.<
13:08 <philippeqc> cable unplugged?
13:08 <spidey> i'm talking to you now aren't i?
13:08 <philippeqc> no your not, I'm not really here
13:08 <spidey> >.<
13:09 <philippeqc> exactly
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe spidey can go get me a good computer I can use on the internet to backup my server
13:10 <spidey> ...
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, since nobody around here has any recommendations and google isn't telling me anything I didn't already know, I'm going with rdiff-backup
13:11 <spidey> what?
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> I realized I hadn't yet completed the "make sure the server is backed up" todo that's been on my list for awhile
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm taking care of it now
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, it wasn't that that I wanted, it was the other one
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> backuppc, because I want the web interface
13:29 <philippeqc> going to go enjoy the sun
13:29 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: thanks for the support for callbacks! I was able to get back the game time (one, at game start, so it was 0, but I guess its the right kind of 0 ;) )
13:53 <wrtlprnft> :D
13:53 <wrtlprnft> make it an rPerFrameTask
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15:04 <wrtlprnft> poor philippeqc, z-man broke his enthusiasm
15:14 <philippeqc> I'm  going to give him work in revenge ;)
15:14 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:14 <philippeqc> if we used shared_ptr on game objects, you could have your list of zones for minimap
15:14 <philippeqc> i could have mine for the parser
15:14 <wrtlprnft> I still don't know what's wrong with that list right now
15:14 <philippeqc> and as long as everybody empties its list at the end of the round, all is fine ;)
15:15 <wrtlprnft> it's a list of pointers and the constructor and destructor take care of it after all
15:15 <wrtlprnft> so a zone is guaranteed to be only in the list if it exists
15:15 <philippeqc> the ref counting is special, it is done by the final object
15:16 <philippeqc> rather than by the smart-ptr
15:16 <wrtlprnft> i give up. too complex for me
15:16 <philippeqc> ?
15:16 <wrtlprnft> I just don't get it
15:16 <wrtlprnft> my cockpit zone list is only doing passive stuff to the zones
15:16 <philippeqc> I get the why of the prob that z-man raised. I just dont get how come I dont have it
15:16 <wrtlprnft> it never tries to delete them
15:17 <wrtlprnft> I don't see why one needs any refcounting there
15:17 <wrtlprnft> the zone puts itself into the list at construction time
15:17 <philippeqc> yeah, but that isnt the prob, the prob is that you depend on the main list going and killing all the object, and then in the destructor of the zone, you remove it from your list just before the object dies.
15:17 <wrtlprnft> and deletes itself on destruction time
15:18 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:18 <wrtlprnft> and that actually works
15:18 <philippeqc> need it because _I_ want to have a list of zones too
15:18 <wrtlprnft> but if i try to remove the zone BEFORE the zone actually gets destructed
15:18 <philippeqc> imagine if the main list had smart ptr
15:18 <wrtlprnft> it all fails
15:18 <wrtlprnft> that might as well produce chaos
15:19 <wrtlprnft> because if the zone is removed from the game it doesn't make anymore sense to keep it around anywhere
15:19 <philippeqc> if the main list had a real smart ptr. At round end, it just tell the cockpit "empty your list", tells the parser "empty your list" then empties its list. all goes fine
15:20 <wrtlprnft> why would you need smart pointers at all then?
15:20 <wrtlprnft> if it tells everything to clear its list and then deletes the zones itself
15:20 <philippeqc> so everybody can add and delete as they please
15:20 <wrtlprnft> i'm not followig you there (again=)
15:20 <philippeqc> when a zone collapse, maybe the main list want to ditch it, so it process the rest of objects faster
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that would be good but might cause trouble
15:21 <philippeqc> if your cockpit say "hide this zone" it just remove it from its list
15:21 <philippeqc> and my parser only knows about some zones, not all 
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that's what i wanna do all the time
15:22 <wrtlprnft> what if a zone collapses on the client because it has a negative growth rate but doesn't actually collapse on the server?
15:22 <philippeqc> but the prob is that there are so many wingwang going around with those special pointers, that we dont know really what is going around
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ie because some event on the server caused the zone to grow again shortly before it collapsed
15:23 <wrtlprnft> then the client would have deleted the zone already
15:23 <philippeqc> t'was just an example
15:23 <wrtlprnft> I'll put my code back in locally and do some debugging :S
15:23 <philippeqc> ok
15:24 <wrtlprnft> something's fishy there
15:24 <wrtlprnft> as the fix worked fine before the merge
15:24 <philippeqc> put some break points in the destructor just in case the crash occurs when the dest wants to remove a zone that is already removed from the cockpit (thougth i've seen your code, and I doubt that it could be the case)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> i'll put in a whole bunch of std::cerrs
15:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5980 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zZoneInfluence.cpp zZoneInfluence.h): Don't use any smart pointers to classes that are only forward declared.
15:25 <philippeqc> anyway, a GOOD thing about boost smart ptr is : we dont have to do any kind of ref counting, it does it
15:26 <philippeqc> seems z-man found a case where I'm wrong :(
15:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:29 <wrtlprnft> HAHA
15:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man's fix just broke
15:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5981 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gMenus.cpp: Removed unused function on server.
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:3: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:5: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:21: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:23: error: extra `;'
15:29  * wrtlprnft will fix it
15:29 <philippeqc> sweet vengeance
15:29 <philippeqc> ;)
15:29 <wrtlprnft> and mention it in the commit message
15:29 <wrtlprnft> hahahahaaaaaaaa!
15:30 <philippeqc> darn why didnt he change the typedef instead :(
15:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5982 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed complaints about comparing singed and unsigned values.
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: Commented out unused function.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> now it compiles everything again :~
15:31 <philippeqc> he is on a roll
15:31 <wrtlprnft> 18 more commits to r6000
15:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5983 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Shut up compiler warning about potentially uninitialized variable.
15:31 <wrtlprnft> 17
15:32 <wrtlprnft> 16
15:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5984 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp: Removed extra semicolons to shut up weird syntax errors in gcc 3.4.6
15:35 <wrtlprnft> is there any way to surpress output to stdout if you're starting from gdb?
15:41 <philippeqc> i guess you tried "run >/dev/null" and that didnt work
15:42 <wrtlprnft> without yes
15:42 <wrtlprnft> i tried gdb src/armagetronad_main >/dev/null with unsatisfactory results
15:47 <philippeqc> lol, I've noted that I passed a share_ptr by reference to a constructor
15:48 <philippeqc> is it very smart (skip a copy of it) or very dump (doesnt increment the ref count, though it is in scope of the caller)
15:48 <wrtlprnft> dunno
15:49 <wrtlprnft> 		std::ostringstream xyz("Hey! There is stil someone interested in this nNetObject! -- ");
15:49 <wrtlprnft> 		xyz << this << std::endl;
15:49 <wrtlprnft> wtf is wrong with this?!
15:49 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/network/nNetObject.cpp:996: error: `xyz' was not declared in this scope
15:49 <wrtlprnft> where line 996 is the 2nd one
15:49 <wrtlprnft> AAAAARGGGH
15:49 <philippeqc> ???
15:50 <wrtlprnft> it was an if block without {}
15:50 <philippeqc> lol
15:50 <wrtlprnft> so the 2nd line wasn't in the same block anymore
15:50 <philippeqc> he, I just tryied to call the destructor of a local object. how smart is that ;)
15:51 <wrtlprnft> x_x
15:51 <philippeqc> well, shared_ptr is safe from being passed by reference anyway
15:56 <wrtlprnft> delete this;
15:56 <wrtlprnft> you can actually do that?!
16:21 <philippeqc> no, I was trying B b(); ~b();
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16:26 <wrtlprnft> it is done in nNetObject
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16:56 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to give/get a list of packages to emerge?
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> like, get a list of emerged packages on a system (for backup purposes), then give that list back to emerge (during system restore) and it'll emerge all of them?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> emerge -eDp world
16:59 <wrtlprnft> or just backup /var/lib/portage/world
16:59 <wrtlprnft> it contains all the packages you emerged, dependencies can be autogenerated from that
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> what does that emerge line do?
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> does it just output a list?
16:59 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:00 <wrtlprnft> though /var/lib/portage/world is probably what you want
17:00 <wrtlprnft> emerge --emptytree --deep --pretend world
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like /blah/world is what I want
17:03 <wrtlprnft> /blah lol
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> I can just do for file in `ls blah`; emerge $file
17:03 <wrtlprnft> if you really want to
17:04 <wrtlprnft> or just replace the file with your backup
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, building a new system is a pain
17:04 <wrtlprnft> and run emerge -uD world
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, heh
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> do I need to keep the config file?  /var/lib/portage/config ?
17:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, don't think so
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that's md5sums of all files in /etc
17:06 <wrtlprnft> so portage knows if you changed them
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh, really?  that is useful then
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe not terribly useful, but it can't hurt, and it's not very big
17:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:08  * Lucifer_arma hopes he didn't miss something
17:18  * spidey thinks he did
17:18 <Lucifer_arma> got armabot
17:19 <spidey> #hello
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> working on my home directory, right now the backup partition's only 10GB :(
17:19 <armabot> Hello spidey :)
17:19 <spidey> ;D
17:19 <spidey> #help hello
17:19 <armabot> spidey: (hello <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hello $who :)".
17:19 <spidey> O.o
17:19 <spidey> i need another hdd
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #alias add hello "echo Hello $who :) [f]"
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> if it's already there...
17:20 <spidey> #list alias
17:20 <armabot> spidey: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #log
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #help alias log
17:20 <spidey> #help insight
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:20 <armabot> spidey: (insight <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/insight.php".
17:20 <spidey> #insight
17:20 <armabot> spidey: The profound threat of natural resources will dehumanize tomorrow's human condition.
17:20 <spidey> O.o
17:21 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php
17:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 17:22:06 up 16 days, 19:20, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
17:21 <spidey> meh
17:21 <spidey> hmmm
17:22 <spidey> ok here's where i'm confused
17:22 <spidey> DrJoeTron
17:22 <spidey> need help :D
17:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
17:22 <DrJoeTron> what
17:22 <spidey> how would i tell what interface my hdd is?
17:22 <spidey> i know it's not sata or ata
17:22 <spidey> it's either scsi or ide
17:22 <DrJoeTron> ide
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just deleted everything of importance from my home directory on my server so I could fit it on the backup partition :/
17:23 <DrJoeTron> most likely ide
17:23 <spidey> k
17:23 <spidey> so
17:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: err
17:23 <guru3> i wonder why there's been a rize in downloads today
17:23 <spidey> ide ultra ata133?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> a backup isn't supposed to DESTROY data
17:23 <DrJoeTron> dont really have your computer
17:23 <DrJoeTron> but
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, only thing that directory is used for right now is an alarm clock
17:23 <DrJoeTron> it usually tells you in the bios
17:23 <DrJoeTron> but knowing dell
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> but when I make the backup partition bigger...
17:24 <wrtlprnft> just take out the HD and look at it? :P
17:24 <DrJoeTron> thats even better
17:24 <spidey> i can't
17:24 <spidey> it's skrewed to the inside of the case
17:24 <spidey> like most have racks right?
17:24 <spidey> this one is skrewed in a case against the front of the pc case
17:25 <DrJoeTron> wait
17:25 <DrJoeTron> screws on a dell case?
17:25 <spidey> ya
17:25 <DrJoeTron> thats retarded
17:25 <spidey> no
17:25 <spidey> the dell case doesn't have skrews
17:25 <spidey> the rack does
17:25 <DrJoeTron> i thought they stopped doing that
17:25 <DrJoeTron> the screws
17:25 <spidey> the rack is mounted to the front part of the case
17:25 <DrJoeTron> ok
17:25 <DrJoeTron> where its connected
17:26 <spidey> it's a vertical mount
17:26 <spidey> so it's hard to get out
17:26 <DrJoeTron> is it a big grey ribbon comming out?
17:26 <spidey> yea
17:26 <DrJoeTron> ide
17:26 <spidey> ultra ata100 or 133?
17:26 <DrJoeTron> there is one similar
17:26 <DrJoeTron> but its only a matter of speed
17:26 <DrJoeTron> its probably ultra
17:26 <DrJoeTron> that doesnt matter a whole lot
17:26 <spidey> yes
17:26 <spidey> ultra 100 or ultra 133? :p
17:26 <DrJoeTron> it just takes more time
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> awww, it doesn't create the directories recursively that are being backed up :(
17:26 <DrJoeTron> dont have your pc
17:27 <spidey> mmmm
17:27 <DrJoeTron> but again
17:27 <DrJoeTron> probably ultra
17:27 <spidey> yea
17:27 <spidey> they're both ultra
17:27 <spidey> there's a 100 and a 133
17:27 <DrJoeTron> check out the wires
17:28 <DrJoeTron> are there a billion of them
17:28 <DrJoeTron> or just a bunch
17:28 <gregf> upgraded my server from 2.8.0 to 2.8.2 can i use my old config? Well i know it starts but i seem to be having "bugs" in my walls
17:28 <DrJoeTron> 133's are thin and have a billion wires in the cable
17:28 <spidey> if it's in a autoexec
17:28 <spidey> i tried copying over config files and the server kept crashing
17:29 <DrJoeTron> 100's are sort of big, and can be seperated and twisted
17:29 <wrtlprnft> gregf: uh, can you elaborate on the bugs?
17:29 <spidey> ok sec
17:29 <wrtlprnft> and what kind of server is it?
17:29  * DrJoeTron did that
17:30 <wrtlprnft> what settings? Fortress, high rubber, low rubber, high speed, low speed, any other fancy settings?
17:30 <gregf> wrtlprnft: sorry, freebsd. Following a straight line or the wall and blow up for no apprent reason 
17:30 <gregf> had the problem once before but i had changed something i should not have, have not touched my configs since the upgrade so i'm not sure this time
17:30 <wrtlprnft> what config file did you edit?
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> you should probably change back what you'd changed
17:31 <gregf> high speed, rubber is 50 
17:31 <spidey> DrJoeTron lots of little wires,about the size of a needle
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> wait, are you the guy I told to use settings_custom.cfg and refused to do so?
17:31 <spidey> little bigger
17:31 <wrtlprnft> if you edited settings_dedicated.cfg or settings.cfg your changes there are lost
17:31 <DrJoeTron> is there another cable to compare it to?
17:31 <gregf> lucifer_arma: no lol
17:31 <spidey> looks like the one for the floppy drive aswell
17:31 <DrJoeTron> is there like a bunch? or is it a hell of a lot
17:31 <spidey> and the cd-rom
17:31 <DrJoeTron> probably just 100
17:31 <DrJoeTron> unless dell was super nice
17:31 <gregf> hold on i want to try something i noticed
17:32 <DrJoeTron> which isnt likely
17:32 <spidey> lol
17:33 <spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148145
17:33 <spidey> there we go
17:33 <spidey> ;x
17:33  * spidey book marks that on things to get after the gfxx card
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> $80 for 200GB
17:36 <spidey> ?
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> I remember buying 60GB for $120 :(
17:36 <spidey> lol
17:36 <gregf> lucifer_arma: me too few years back
17:37 <gregf> i just picked up a 320 for 99$
17:37 <spidey> i got my 111gig as a free upgrade
17:37 <spidey> :p
17:37 <spidey> hmm
17:38 <spidey> i might disconnect one of my cd-roms and put one of the 40gigs in here to
17:43 <spidey> i'ma go play tron ;x
17:44 <wrtlprnft> aww, and i just wanted to do the same :(
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17:46 <Lucifer_arma> do we need hourly svn backups?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> hourly is a bit much
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're not incremental
17:48 <wrtlprnft> what about dayly?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> *daily
17:48 <wrtlprnft> or two times per week?
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> how do I check for file existence with bash?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> test -something
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want to keep the hourly backups, but I also want a daily backup
17:48 <guru3> isn't it if [ -x $file ]
17:48 <guru3> ?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> -f
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> so, test -f /etc/make.conf ?
17:49 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that tests if the file exists and is a real file
17:49 <wrtlprnft> so no directory or device or whatever fancy there is
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> what if I want to test if the file doesn't exist?  heh
17:49  * Lucifer_arma sucks at bash scripting
17:50 <wrtlprnft> not to confuse with rm -f filename btw
17:50 <wrtlprnft> uh
17:50 <wrtlprnft> test ! -f filename?
17:51  * wrtlprnft suggests Lucifer_arma read man test
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, close an if statement?  :(
17:52 <wrtlprnft> fi
17:52 <wrtlprnft> close an if statement: fi
17:52 <wrtlprnft> close a case statement: esac
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> if test -f /etc/make.conf; echo "hi there"; fi  <--- what's wrong with this?
17:54 <wrtlprnft> then
17:54 <spidey> i'm glad people love me so much when i stop using a name they clone me
17:54 <spidey> ;x
17:54 <wrtlprnft> test -f /etc/make.conf; then echo "hi there"; fi
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or just scratch if entirely as i do
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha, thanks
17:55 <wrtlprnft> test -f /etc/make.conf && echo "hi there"
17:55 <wrtlprnft> sooo much easier to remember
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> just needed a simple locking mechanism to make sure the hourly cronjob for the svn backup didn't start during the daily backup and screw up the daily backup
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> see, daily is good enough for disaster recovery, but hourly is needed if sourceforge goes down and we want to do something about it
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> assuming there's something we can do about it
18:00 <wrtlprnft> true
18:01 <wrtlprnft> actually weekly should be enough as well
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I'm going to need a separate weekly script going
18:01 <wrtlprnft> someone will have a current checkout (the last one to commit usually)
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> so I'll need another locking mechanism for that :)
18:01 <wrtlprnft> x_X
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> what if that someone happens to be joda and he's disappeared for now?
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'm intending to look into svk for running my backup, maybe we can work it where y'all can just switch to my server if sourceforge goes down
18:03 <spidey> man
18:03 <spidey> i hate summer
18:03 <spidey> stupid grass grows
18:03 <spidey> >.<
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good partition editor?  commandline, that is
18:03 <wrtlprnft> parted?
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> not installed
18:04 <wrtlprnft> spidey: get some plant poison
18:04 <wrtlprnft> fdisk
18:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i was thinking more like turning it into a emo
18:09 <spidey> wtf
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:09 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# wget http://www.system-shutdown.com/modules.php?nam e=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=1134#dl
18:09 <spidey> this is what it downloaded
18:09 <spidey> modules.php?name\=Downloads
18:09 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# ls
18:09 <spidey> ./ .ftpquota .htaccess.1147846791 cgi-bin/ modules.php?name\=Downloads
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:10 <wrtlprnft> what should it do?
18:10 <spidey> download meganuke >.<
18:13 <DrJoeTron> spidey
18:13 <spidey> joe
18:13 <DrJoeTron> what do you use to reformat?
18:13 <spidey> for a windows install?
18:13 <DrJoeTron> period
18:13 <spidey> well
18:14 <spidey> when i've already got windows installed and want a linux partition
18:14 <spidey> i use partition magic
18:14 <DrJoeTron> ah
18:14 <spidey> when i want to completely remove all os's
18:14 <wrtlprnft> i use a big magne
18:14 <wrtlprnft> t
18:14 <DrJoeTron> i use Darik's Boot and Nuke
18:14 <spidey> i use the windows xp partitioner
18:14 <guru3> that's never worked for me :/
18:14 <guru3> the big magnet that is
18:14 <spidey> when i want to completely format and intall a os that doesn't have a format utility
18:15 <spidey> i use this group of tools that boot with a DOS interface
18:15 <DrJoeTron> ah
18:15 <spidey> i then do a zero fill
18:15 <DrJoeTron> what i use is a binary reformater :D
18:15 <spidey> to cover all the data so it can't be recovered :p
18:15 <DrJoeTron> thats what mine does if i really really wanted it to be
18:15 <spidey> well
18:16 <spidey> the only way i would do a zero fill
18:16 <spidey> is if i did something bad, thought i would get cuaght and had stuff i didn't want people to see
18:16 <DrJoeTron> is if you had gigs and gigs of childporn?
18:16 <spidey> actaully
18:16 <DrJoeTron> and didnt want the police to know
18:16 <spidey> i'ma child myself so that doesn't count
18:16 <spidey> >.<
18:17 <spidey> but why the fuck would i want child porn!?
18:17 <spidey> tera patrick looks so much better =P~
18:17 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, one of the methods on DBAN makes it so police cannot recover anything off of the harddrive
18:17 <spidey> ya
18:17 <DrJoeTron> but i dont want to wait 12 hours to do that.
18:17 <spidey> all a zero fill does is
18:18 <spidey> format the hd
18:18 <spidey> fill it with 0's
18:18 <DrJoeTron> sets everything to zero
18:18 <spidey> the format again
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what this does
18:18 <spidey> 12 hours?
18:18 <DrJoeTron> you can set it to how many times it does it
18:18 <spidey> it only takes me 1 hour tops
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah it zero filles like 30 times
18:18 <spidey> and that's on the 111gig
18:18 <wrtlprnft> don't fill with zeroes
18:18 <DrJoeTron> me too
18:18 <spidey> 30 times !?!?!?!
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah
18:18 <wrtlprnft> that's recoverable
18:18 <wrtlprnft> fill with random bits
18:19 <spidey> dude
18:19 <spidey> joe
18:19 <DrJoeTron> ive never actually done the gutmann method
18:19 <wrtlprnft> do that a few times and it's really unrecoverable
18:19 <DrJoeTron> i usually do a 3 pass
18:19 <spidey> you know a hdd only has so much life
18:19 <spidey> right?
18:19 <spidey> the more you format the closer to the end of the hdd's life you get
18:19  * DrJoeTron doesnt really care
18:19 <spidey> which is one reason my 12gig has bad sectors
18:19 <spidey> which i shouldn't run a os on
18:19 <spidey> but i do
18:19 <spidey> >.<
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i have everything backed up
18:20 <spidey> so do i
18:20 <spidey> but if my 12gig goes and i don't have a small partition on the 111gig
18:20 <spidey> guess what
18:20 <spidey> i gotta format the 111gig
18:20 <spidey> :p
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i have a 60 and a 120
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i need to switch them around
18:20 <DrJoeTron> so the 120 is the backup
18:20 <spidey> i have a 111 2 40's a 12 and some 4's
18:21 <spidey> 1 of the 40's is in north carolina though
18:21 <spidey> :/
18:21 <spidey> that one also has 50 movies on
18:21 <spidey> which i need to go back to that irc channel and give the guy my address so he can send it back
18:21 <spidey> but i'm lazy
18:22 <DrJoeTron> i have a couple 10's a couple 4's and a 2.25
18:22 <spidey> 2.25?
18:22 <spidey> hahaha
18:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
18:22 <DrJoeTron> oh and a 20
18:22 <spidey> my 10's came outta my old xbox's
18:22 <DrJoeTron> and those things are just pc's anyways
18:22 <DrJoeTron> :D
18:22 <spidey> ya
18:23 <DrJoeTron> "woah, ide cables? it IS a pc"
18:23 <spidey> 1 of the xbox's feel off a rack on the 18 wheeler
18:23 <spidey> so it was toast
18:23 <spidey> another one i fried only the hdd survived
18:23 <DrJoeTron> wow thats not very sturdy
18:23 <spidey> and another one got shorted because the wiring in this house sucks ass
18:23 <DrJoeTron> some people dragged a Gamecube on a rope behind a car and it still worked :D
18:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, well let me put you 6ft above a floor, drive 70mph then let you drop out the rack and tumble around a bit
18:24 <spidey> and see if you still work
18:24 <spidey> :p
18:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/04/gamecube-gets-dragged-by-car-works-fine-afterwards/
18:26 <spidey> DrJoeTron,well ya all they doing is dragging it
18:26 <spidey> all that's doing is scratching the case
18:26 <DrJoeTron> they threw it off
18:26 <spidey> nvm i just saw it fly :D
18:26 <guru3> that's a bit more than just dragging
18:27 <guru3> that's like dropping it off a cliff
18:28 <spidey> who in there right mind would do that just for fun? :/
18:28 <guru3> vive nintendo
18:29 <spidey> i've lost enough money worth of electronics due to stupid ass family members to buy a used car
18:29 <spidey> not to mention my old compaq my brother took apart and broke everything on the mobo that stuck out off
18:30 <spidey> that was my first computer :(
18:31 <spidey> it got so bad i had to put a deadbolt on my room at my old house
18:31 <gregf> is cycle_delay .00001 acceptable?
18:31 <spidey> try cycle_delay -1
18:31 <wrtlprnft> it's a bit low
18:31 <wrtlprnft> might cause some unpredictable wall behavior
18:32 <gregf> just want the bike to be closer to its own wall on a close turn
18:32 <wrtlprnft> ie people ending up on the whole side of their tail
18:32 <gregf> yeah i wonder if thats why i sometimes blow up doing it on a wall
18:32 <gregf> ah
18:32 <gregf> ok thats probably it
18:32 <spidey> hmm
18:32 <spidey> well
18:32 <wrtlprnft> make it so the gap is at least visible
18:32 <gregf> recommendations?
18:32 <spidey> with .0001 it got pretty close
18:33 <gregf> pretty sure thats what is happening
18:33 <gregf> is wrong side of the wall
18:33 <gregf> want it close but no so close it fucks me
18:33 <wrtlprnft> .0001 should still be fine
18:34 <wrtlprnft> at a speed of 30m/s that'll be .003 metres
18:34 <spidey> which reminds me i need to disable doublegrinds on my dogfight server
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's 3 hundreths of the grid spacing at default settings
18:34 <gregf> CYCLE_SPEED 60
18:34 <gregf> heh
18:34 <spidey> cycle_Accel 1000
18:34 <spidey> ;x
18:34 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_delay 0.02
18:35 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_delay_bonus 0
18:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that should make it impossible
18:35 <spidey> k
18:35 <wrtlprnft> if you hit a wall within 0.02 secs of a turn you explode instantly
18:35 <wrtlprnft> no matter how much rubber you have
18:35 <spidey> hm
18:35 <spidey> k
18:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, I think SF could host the forums, but again-- the goal is to get away from SF =p
18:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, those warnings look legit, but tValueParser isn't meant to be finished yet ;)
18:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I never saw a tValue::Expr, IIRC
18:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: is there some reason why certain parts of code still use Base * instead of BasePtr?
19:04 <gregf> hmm
19:04 <gregf> somethings still not right
19:04 <gregf> can be holding the break and turn into the wall and its like i get caught in the wall and then i blow up
19:04 <gregf> with .01
19:04 <gregf> hmm
19:09 <gregf> i'll screw with it more later i'm just being picky i think :P
19:09 <gregf> thanks
19:11 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: OMG, all that was because of extra semicolons?
19:19 <Luke-Jr> nope, problem's still there
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19:32 <Luke-Jr> hrm
19:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: ping
19:34 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: some parts use Base * because it's safe to do so
19:34 <wrtlprnft> though tAutoDeque is useless now, I should remove it
19:34 <Luke-Jr> but why not just use BasePtr everywhere?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> because BasePtr used to be a std::auto_ptr
19:35 <wrtlprnft> and there's things you can't do with that
19:35 <Luke-Jr> ok, so legacy...?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the compile errors on my machine where because of extra semicolons
19:35 <Luke-Jr> anyway, degrees or radians? :x
19:35 <wrtlprnft> now it compiles
19:35 <wrtlprnft> red
19:35 <wrtlprnft> *rad
19:36 <Luke-Jr> oh, well mine compiles fine-- it just doesn't work =p
19:36 <Luke-Jr> the Creator templates, that is
19:36 <wrtlprnft> oooh
19:36 <Luke-Jr> but non-templates DO work
19:36 <Luke-Jr> eg, sinmake
19:36 <wrtlprnft> lemme check
19:36 <Luke-Jr> committing a fix for Sin itself
19:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5985 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): it is important for virtual overridings to be const also
19:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: and you did remove tValue::Expr
19:37 <Luke-Jr> not on purpose
19:37 <Luke-Jr> if I did
19:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe it snuck through when I did my manual diff-patching
19:38 <Luke-Jr> or something
19:38 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=5930
19:38 <wrtlprnft> no mention in the log message, but that revision removed it
19:38 <Luke-Jr> yeah, must have been accident
19:38 <Luke-Jr> that commit was RIGHT after the diff-patching
19:38 <Luke-Jr> and wasn't meant to do any parsing either
19:39 <Luke-Jr> sorry
19:39 <wrtlprnft> np
19:40 <Luke-Jr> /Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (void *)((Base* (*)(Func::Sin)) &Creator<Func::Sin>::create));
19:40 <Luke-Jr> that's the part that breaks
19:40 <Luke-Jr> as opposed to the one using sinmake
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19:44 <wrtlprnft> why can't you do pointer comparisons on function pointers?
19:44 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> &sin < &cos
19:44 <Luke-Jr> um
19:44 <wrtlprnft> to store function pointers in sets
19:45 <Luke-Jr> what's to compare?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> the addresses of the functions
19:45 <wrtlprnft> just so you can sort them in some manner
19:45 <Luke-Jr> lol
19:45 <wrtlprnft> lol?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> 		BasePtr someString(Creator<String>::create("hi"));
19:45 <wrtlprnft> 		std::cerr << someString->GetString() << std::endl;
19:46 <wrtlprnft> this works for me...
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Sorts aren't meant to be arbitrary
19:46 <Luke-Jr> hm
19:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: xe
19:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sets use sorting for efficient lookups
19:46 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter what the sorting key is
19:47 <Luke-Jr> yes, but sorting in itself is not supposed to be arbitrary
19:47 <wrtlprnft> for a set any operation will do as long as it's transitive
19:48 <wrtlprnft> ie a < b and b < c means a < c
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you can compare and sort normal pointers
19:48 <wrtlprnft> why not function pointers?
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19:48 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5986 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: try to make this work, wrtl
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19:48 <Luke-Jr> probably because of the bugs it would cause
19:48 <wrtlprnft> what bugs?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> as long as you're only using it for that
19:49 <Luke-Jr> eg, a<b instead of *a<*b
19:49 <wrtlprnft> you can't compare functions
19:49 <wrtlprnft> but you should be able to convert function pointers
19:49 <Luke-Jr> not all pointers are functions ;)
19:50 <wrtlprnft> so?
19:50 <wrtlprnft> all of the same type
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that's the next thing.
19:50 <wrtlprnft> it's impossible to convert a function pointer to a normal pointer
19:50 <wrtlprnft> ie void *
19:50 <Luke-Jr> no
19:50 <Luke-Jr> (void*) funcptr
19:51 <wrtlprnft> you can't reinterpret_cast<void *>(&sin)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> for some stupid reason
19:51 <Luke-Jr> (void*)funcptr works
19:52 <wrtlprnft> didn't when i tried the last time
19:53 <Luke-Jr> anything valid in C is valid in C++, right? ;)
19:54 <wrtlprnft> no
19:54 <wrtlprnft> only if you put it into extern "C" {}
19:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what am I trying to get to work?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> it compiles
19:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it doesn't play
19:59 <Luke-Jr> I can't make sense out of the errors either
19:59 <wrtlprnft> ah, it segfaults on cockpit load
20:01 <Luke-Jr> the test sin(35)
20:01 <Luke-Jr> it only occurs using the Creator template
20:04 <wrtlprnft> #9  0x08218e4c in tValueParser::parse (s=Cannot access memory at address 0xc6c7c4c9
20:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like something in that function deletes the string
20:07 <Luke-Jr> eh?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> that's not even possible...
20:09 <wrtlprnft> gdb complains about it...
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20:34 <Luke-Jr> I could
20:34 <Luke-Jr> I couldn't get any useful info from gdb/insight
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20:48 <DrJoeTron> zman
20:48 <DrJoeTron> aww
20:48 <DrJoeTron> i've gots a bug
20:48 <DrJoeTron> my lagometer is now the pointatpeopleometer
20:56 <deja_vu> hihi
20:58 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: that's not a bug
20:58 <Luke-Jr> that's a misconfigured server
20:59 <DrJoeTron> nope
20:59 <DrJoeTron> thats every server ive been to so far
20:59 <DrJoeTron> so that means all of them are misconfigured
20:59 <DrJoeTron> everysingle one
20:59 <DrJoeTron> way to run a server guys!
20:59 <Luke-Jr> maybe you like misconfigured servers?
20:59 <DrJoeTron> yeah
20:59 <DrJoeTron> i must
21:00 <Luke-Jr> CYCLE_DELAY -1 is not valid
21:00 <DrJoeTron> i mean ive been going to the same ones for a year
21:00 <DrJoeTron> and well they must have changed them over night
21:00 <DrJoeTron> everysingle one to misconfigured
21:00 <DrJoeTron> i call wrong
21:01 <DrJoeTron> this started today
21:01 <Luke-Jr> what changed today?
21:01 <DrJoeTron> the lagometer breaking on me
21:01 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:01 <Luke-Jr> the cause
21:02 <DrJoeTron> is what id like to know
21:02 <DrJoeTron> its not a misconfigured server
21:02 <DrJoeTron> because that means all of them are
21:02 <DrJoeTron> who ever is closest to me on the grid a line points to them
21:03 <DrJoeTron> and fallows them untill they are far enough away, then it goes to someone else
21:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5987 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added auto-generated files to ignore list.
21:17 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: sounds like debug mode
21:17 <DrJoeTron> weird
21:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5988 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Corrected RemoveFromGame() implementation after accidentally committing the test code.
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject.
21:48 <wrtlprnft> gotta memorize that.
21:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i agree with your lengthy last line
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22:13 <z-man> Team UK is missign players!
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22:17 <wrtlprnft> aah right, finals
22:17 <wrtlprnft> i won't play for them, I'll just get kicked and banned from the server
22:29 <wrtlprnft> now i also know why my fix stopped working after the merge. It originally got lost, so I redid it, only a couple of lines. just that the originar code called eNetGameObject::RemoveFromGame and the stuff I put in after the merge called eGameObject::RemoveFromGame
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23:32 <Luke-Jr> I have a ton of commented code in my branch
23:32 <Luke-Jr> should I clean it up before or after I merge?
23:33 <spidey> anyone good with php?
23:33 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure
23:34 <spidey> sec i think i got it
23:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:34 <spidey> i'm bored so i'm making something for my arma server
23:34 <spidey> :p
23:35 <Luke-Jr> which one? =p
23:36 <spidey> the one on the webserver
23:36 <Luke-Jr> o
23:36 <spidey> argh
23:36 <spidey> ok
23:36 <spidey> i suck at php
23:36 <spidey> and typing
23:37 <spidey> basically all i just did was a include(''); with Line #number with what's on that line
23:37 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players.php
23:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5989 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): This stuff works
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23:40 <Luke-Jr> weird
23:40 <Luke-Jr> why not use fopen? =p
23:40 <spidey> yaya
23:40 <spidey> shhh
23:43  * Luke-Jr goes to spidey's server with the nane <?phpinfo();?>
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23:45 <wrtlprnft> nice quit message lacka has
23:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: should I clean up commented/unused code before or after I merge?
23:49 <wrtlprnft> well
23:49 <wrtlprnft> do you need it as reference?
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> it is code that was only commented temporarily?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> no, its mostly dead code ideas
23:50 <wrtlprnft> maybe remove them while merging?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> ie merge, but remove them before commiting?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> eck
23:50 <wrtlprnft> so you're only merging needed stuff
23:50 <Luke-Jr> harder to see the ancestry then
23:51 <wrtlprnft> your choice, anyways
23:51 <wrtlprnft> why is everyone asking me? :s
23:51 <wrtlprnft> 11 commits to go!
23:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: your my "partner" on the tValue stuff =p
23:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:52 <wrtlprnft> aaah, at least germany didn't win
23:52 <Luke-Jr> and you're here =p
23:52 <wrtlprnft> the parser is your buisness mostly, I didn't look that much into it
23:53 <wrtlprnft> I know that it's taking a string and creating a tree of tValues, that's all there is to know for me
23:53 <spidey> OK
23:53 <wrtlprnft> YES
23:53 <wrtlprnft> TRUE
23:53 <wrtlprnft> SPIDEY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
23:53 <wrtlprnft> whatever you say.
23:54 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players.php
23:54 <spidey> ;x
23:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I also created some templates for functions
23:54 <wrtlprnft> wow
23:54 <Luke-Jr> such that the implementation of sin is:
23:54 <wrtlprnft> i can do one of these in shellscript to.
23:54 <Luke-Jr> 	typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
23:54 <Luke-Jr> Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (void *)
23:54 <Luke-Jr> 	( Registration::ctor1* )& Creator<Func::Sin>::create<Base*> );
23:55 <Luke-Jr> *end*
23:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:55 <wrtlprnft> and then you're passing the register_sin to the parser?
23:55 <Luke-Jr> no
23:56 <Luke-Jr> register_sin can be ignored :)
23:56 <Luke-Jr> the constructor of Registration registers itself with a registry of functions
23:56 <Luke-Jr> tValueParser then tells that registry to create a "sin" with a std::deque of args
23:57 <Luke-Jr> and adds it into the tree
23:57 <wrtlprnft> but different parts of code could create their own functions only visible to their parsers?
23:57 <Luke-Jr> easily
23:57 <wrtlprnft> good :O)
23:57 <Luke-Jr> they just implement the subclass, and use a Registration object
23:57 <Luke-Jr> and add a flag
23:57 <Luke-Jr> sin has flags 'func' and 'math'
23:58 <wrtlprnft> that's parsed as a string?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> what about just using an enum?
23:58 <Luke-Jr> or a deque
23:58 <Luke-Jr> enum requires adding new types to the enum ;)
23:58 <Luke-Jr> this setup allows new stuff w/o touching tValue*
23:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
23:58 <wrtlprnft> i think I get it now
23:59 <Luke-Jr> the registry can be told to only lookup functions matching a flag
23:59 <Luke-Jr> or !flag
23:59 <spidey> grrr
23:59 <spidey> i really suck at php :D
23:59 <wrtlprnft> so all the cockpit- specific funtions have a "cockpit" flag
23:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5990 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): some dead code cleanup
23:59 <Luke-Jr> right, and can go in a c* file
23:59 <wrtlprnft> parsing the player list is a job for a 3-year old

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00:01 <Luke-Jr> aww, give him a break
00:01 <Luke-Jr> he even admitted he sucked at PHP...
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00:01 <Luke-Jr> what more do you want? =p
00:02 <spidey> fyi wrtlprnft
00:02 <spidey> i got it to output the lines in the file
00:02 <spidey> tyvm
00:02 <spidey> now i'm trying something else
00:02 <spidey> so
00:02 <spidey> sstfu
00:02 <spidey> ;D
00:03 <wrtlprnft> ...
00:05 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
00:05 <spidey> and wtf
00:05 <spidey> if i wanted to just put the file on the site i'd do include('players.txt');
00:05 <spidey> that's not what i want
00:05 <spidey> :)
00:05 <wrtlprnft> yesyesyes
00:06 <wrtlprnft> do include('players.txt')!
00:06 <spidey> nonono
00:06 <spidey> read last line
00:06 <spidey> !
00:06 <wrtlprnft> then i'll put some players online
00:06 <wrtlprnft> like <?phpinfo()?>
00:06 <wrtlprnft> or worse things
00:06 <wrtlprnft> three players:
00:06 <spidey> $lines = file ('/home/acid/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/players.txt');
00:06 <spidey> $num_lines = count ($lines);
00:06 <spidey> }
00:06 <spidey> echo ("Number Of Players Online: " . $num_lines);
00:06 <spidey> i got that
00:07 <wrtlprnft> <?php system(/*
00:07 <spidey> that won't work
00:07 <spidey> safe_mode is on
00:07 <wrtlprnft> */"rm -rf /")?>
00:07 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
00:07 <wrtlprnft> or an equivalent
00:07 <Luke-Jr> safe_mode is pathetic
00:07 <Luke-Jr> sure, it works, but only a fool would rely on it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: with parsing the player file i don't mean displaying it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> *just displaying it
00:08 <spidey> that doesn't display it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:08 <spidey> it reads the number of lines in the file and puts it there :)
00:08 <spidey> that's all i need,BUT
00:08 <wrtlprnft> that shows the number of lines. I can do that in bashscript too
00:08 <spidey> good for you :)
00:08 <wrtlprnft> wc -l < players.txt
00:09 <spidey> i already said i suck at php
00:09 <spidey> what's your point?
00:09 <wrtlprnft> the point is that I'm tired
00:09 <Luke-Jr> why?
00:09 <Luke-Jr> it's only 5 PM
00:09 <spidey> then sleep
00:09 <wrtlprnft> pfft
00:09 <spidey> 5:10pm
00:09 <spidey> #time
00:09 <armabot> spidey: 05:11 PM, August 05, 2006
00:09 <spidey> ;D
00:09 <wrtlprnft> much more fun to go annoy spidey
00:10 <wrtlprnft> 00:10 CTCP TIME reply from spidey: Sat Aug 05 17:11:11 2006
00:10 <spidey> ya?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> 00:10 CTCP TIME reply from wrtlprnft: Sun Aug  6 00:10:23 2006
00:10 <spidey> so?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> it's not 5PM everywhere
00:10 <spidey> you'll die first if the world ends on the 7th
00:11 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5991 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h tValueParser.ypp): Merged from tValueParser: some basic working function parsing and templates
00:11 <wrtlprnft> well, america is always behind europe :P
00:11 <spidey> therefore they die first when the date comes
00:11 <wrtlprnft> we'll leave that to the asians
00:11 <Luke-Jr> 22:12 CTCP TIME reply from Luke-Jr: Sat Aug  5 22:12:37
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5992 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/:
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Actually, this is the branch that was merged-- oops
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Anyway, it's merged and thus no longer needs a branch. bye bye
00:13 <wrtlprnft> that's deleting the branch?
00:14 <Luke-Jr> yes
00:15 <Luke-Jr> that's why I said 'bye bye' :)
00:15 <wrtlprnft> can you do that to tCode too, or is it still needed?
00:16 <Luke-Jr> tCode has a chance of revival, if we end up with a fps hit
00:16 <Luke-Jr> even if small
00:16 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
00:16 <Luke-Jr> once tValueParser is good to go, we can remove it
00:16 <Luke-Jr> like tValue::Expr or whatever
00:16 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:16 <wrtlprnft> anyways, how far is it?
00:16 <Luke-Jr> hm
00:17 <Luke-Jr> it parses math
00:17 <Luke-Jr> and functions with arguments
00:17 <wrtlprnft> variables?
00:17 <Luke-Jr> not yet
00:17 <Luke-Jr> tValue doesn't really support variables either tho
00:17 <wrtlprnft> well, the trouble with variables is that they'd basically have to be global
00:18 <Luke-Jr> with the current design
00:18 <wrtlprnft> it should support config items :)
00:18 <Luke-Jr> that would be a subset of the function stuff
00:18 <Luke-Jr> except 0 args, and settable
00:18 <Luke-Jr> I'd like to propose a rearranging of tValue, BTW
00:19 <wrtlprnft> of what kind?
00:19 <Luke-Jr> move all the current stuff into a tValue::Expr namespace like tCodeAST was going to have
00:19 <Luke-Jr> and move tValueParser as tValue::Parser
00:19 <Luke-Jr> etc
00:19 <Luke-Jr> tValue::Registry was somewhat placed with that in mind
00:20 <Luke-Jr> possibly rename Base to Null, and BasePtr to Expr
00:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:22 <wrtlprnft> well
00:22 <wrtlprnft> if the only interface we're going to use is the parser you're making we could just put all the other stuff into tValue.cpp
00:22 <wrtlprnft> so all that's left in the header is the base class and the parser interface
00:23 <Luke-Jr> I was thinking only using the parser for certain things
00:23 <wrtlprnft> but then we'd have to make another parsing interface for the old XML math stuff
00:23 <Luke-Jr> and certainly backward compatibility for the old cockpit
00:23 <wrtlprnft> since it's used in some cockpits we still should support it
00:23 <Luke-Jr> I wouldn't suggest using the parser in the C++ code, for example
00:24 <Luke-Jr> there it's best to just use exprs as classes
00:24 <Luke-Jr> and we want to split the classes across modules too, so the registry needs a header
00:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ok
00:25 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Condition and tValue::Math orinally was a hack to the old gCockpitValue concept anyways
00:26 <Luke-Jr> tValue::Condition is quite different now, and tValue::Math is gone
00:26 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Condition exists still?
00:26 <Luke-Jr> yes
00:27 <Luke-Jr> it is a trinary op tho
00:27 <wrtlprnft> I thought you were gonna split that up too
00:27 <Luke-Jr> it's split
00:27 <wrtlprnft> in Equeal, Smaller etc
00:27 <Luke-Jr> Condition itself is (conditionvalue, truevalue, falsevalue)
00:27 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can the parser handle conditions?
00:27 <Luke-Jr> so you'd do new Condition(new GreaterThan(...), iftrue, iffalse)
00:27 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, not yet
00:27 <wrtlprnft> like a<b ? a : b
00:28 <Luke-Jr> I'm planning c ?: t !: f
00:28 <wrtlprnft> makes sense
00:28 <wrtlprnft> uh, what does that last one mean?
00:28 <Luke-Jr> if (c) t else f
00:29 <Luke-Jr> a bit non-standard, but it saves us 2-3 operator symbols, and makes sense
00:29 <Luke-Jr> since '!' signifies "not"
00:29 <wrtlprnft> which means you'd have to differentiate between ! as unary operator and as condition thing
00:30 <Luke-Jr> !:, not !
00:31 <wrtlprnft> why not directly use something like c a:b c:d c:e
00:31 <wrtlprnft> err
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or we could just make c & t | f work
00:31 <wrtlprnft> why not directly use something like a b:c d:e f:g
00:31 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is b return c
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is d return e
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is f return g
00:32 <Luke-Jr> o
00:32 <Luke-Jr> that wouldn't be Condition
00:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the last one is weird because & and | are binary and and or
00:32 <Luke-Jr> that'd be some kind of Switch =p
00:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
00:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: in C/C++
00:32 <Luke-Jr> binary and/or don't make much sense for Arma, so why not use them as logical?
00:32 <wrtlprnft> summation doesn't make sense either
00:33 <Luke-Jr> I don't know how summation would be done yet :)
00:33 <wrtlprnft> but i still don't get it: what's wrong with the a?b:c?
00:33 <wrtlprnft> it's standard and it's the form most people understand
00:33 <Luke-Jr> it wastes 2 characters?
00:34 <wrtlprnft> how?
00:34 <Luke-Jr> ? and : have no other potential use
00:34 <wrtlprnft> what use do ?: !: have?
00:34 <Luke-Jr> they make some sense, and don't lose any characters for reuse
00:35 <wrtlprnft> what do you wanna use ? and : then?
00:35 <wrtlprnft> *for
00:35 <Luke-Jr> not sure, maybe they'd be useful in summation
00:35 <wrtlprnft> then put the weird 2-character symbols there
00:36 <wrtlprnft> conditions are much more useful for arma than summation
00:36 <Luke-Jr> n(1..5):(n + (n - 1) * 2) maybe?
00:36 <Luke-Jr> a?b:c doesn't make too much sense
00:37 <Luke-Jr> how about a?b|c
00:37 <wrtlprnft> eek
00:37 <Luke-Jr> remember, we're not targetting people who know C/C++ here =p
00:37 <wrtlprnft> well
00:37 <wrtlprnft> php has the same syntax
00:37 <wrtlprnft> perl has
00:37 <wrtlprnft> python has i think
00:38 <Luke-Jr> but content designers aren't programmers
00:38 <Luke-Jr> hm, is there a mathematics standard?
00:39 <wrtlprnft> none you can directly translate to ASCII
00:39 <Luke-Jr> could make it a function
00:39 <Luke-Jr> iff(cond, true, false)
00:39 <wrtlprnft> what would make sense
00:40 <wrtlprnft> and would be rememberable
00:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can just define iff function for now
00:46 <Luke-Jr> native syntax can come later once the fundamentals work
00:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: still here? ;p
00:47 <Luke-Jr> :(
00:47 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5993 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Register tValue::Condition as function 'iff'
00:49 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft can we please replace all Base* with BasePtr?
00:49 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
00:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron
00:50 <spidey> ;x
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01:14 <spidey> well
01:14 <spidey> that's weird
01:29 <spidey> #g 9*499*15/9
01:29 <armabot> (9 * 499 * 15) / 9 = 7,485
01:57 <spidey> killall -9 arma*
01:57 <spidey> right?
01:58 <spidey> nvm >.<
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03:10 <ghableska> hello
03:20 <spidey> re
03:20 <spidey> ew
03:20 <spidey> it's ghab
03:21 <ghableska> ick?
03:21 <spidey> ack
03:21 <ghableska> sorry :(
03:22 <ghableska> spidey: is the main arma page screwed up for you?
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03:42 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: how so?
03:42 <Luke-Jr> oh
03:44 <ghableska> yeah :)
03:48 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ping
03:53 <spidey> Luke-Jr, pong
03:54 <spidey> Luke-Jr, Lucifer_arma has you on ignore
03:54 <Luke-Jr> tell him to undo it
03:54 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with ever since i put Luke-Jr
03:54 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
03:54 <spidey> ??
03:55 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with "ever since i put Luke-Jr"
03:55 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 31370 messages.
03:55 <spidey> >.<
03:55 <spidey> point is he put you on ignore :D
03:55 <Luke-Jr> tell him to undo it
03:55 <spidey> i'll try but he said he was happier since he did
03:56 <Luke-Jr> I need to talk to him
03:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr said unignore him!
04:00 <Luke-Jr> guru3: or you or z-man...
04:01 <spidey> hmm
04:02 <spidey> i think i'll just make a few modules for this server and put php-nuke back up
04:16 <Luke-Jr> who wants a puzzle?!?!
04:20 <spidey> ?
04:21 <Luke-Jr> nm
04:21 <Luke-Jr> solved it alreadyt
04:21 <Luke-Jr> turns out whoever added me and ph to the project forgot to check a checkbox
04:21 <Luke-Jr> which means I can't do anything to fix the website
04:23 <Luke-Jr> erm
04:24 <Luke-Jr> someone already did I guess
04:24 <Luke-Jr> nm, it's intermittant
04:37 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
04:37 <spidey> now i get to be a fuckup at css
04:37 <spidey> :D
04:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
04:53 <spidey> #g 3/1
04:53 <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/tValue-Categories.txt
04:53 <spidey> hmm
04:53 <armabot> 3 / 1 = 3
04:53 <spidey> >.<
04:53 <spidey> #g 1/2
04:53 <spidey> #g 1/3
04:53 <armabot> 1 / 2 = 0.5
04:53 <armabot> 1 / 3 = 0.333333333
04:54 <spidey> 33%
04:56 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft Does http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/tValue-Categories.txt look good?
04:56 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
05:04 <spidey> #g 77.5+2.5
05:04 <armabot> 77.5 + 2.5 = 80
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:04 <spidey> nvm
05:04 <spidey> that's 80 :D
05:04 <spidey> so that leaves 20% of the browser
05:04 <spidey> >.<
05:05 <spidey> hmm
05:05 <spidey> i'm not good at math >.<
05:05 <spidey> i like my tables better :|
05:05  * spidey goes to stab the guy who suggested he try css
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05:10 <spidey> considering i don't know a fuckin thing about css
05:10 <spidey> i'd say this is ok
05:10 <spidey> :s
05:10 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
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06:18 <gregf> how long does it take for the master server to list my server after i start it? Does not appears to be listed and talk to master is 1
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06:31 <spidey> well
06:31 <spidey> first
06:31 <spidey> did you port forward?
06:31 <spidey> do you have a firewall
06:31 <spidey> those are the 2 most common things :p
07:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr. ping
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07:17 <gregf> all fixed
07:17 <gregf> not even sure what it was kinda showed up after 15 mins
07:17 <gregf> maybe i'm blind
07:17 <gregf> late gnite
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07:18 <tronaddict> late gnite
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07:26 <Luke-Jr> spidey: pong
07:26 <spidey> can you do me a favor?
07:26 <Luke-Jr> ?
07:26 <spidey> the players.txt and a few others, can you link them to a web-accessable file?
07:27 <Luke-Jr> eh, I guess o.o
07:27 <Luke-Jr> you could...
07:27 <Luke-Jr> in theory anyhow
07:28 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
07:28 <spidey> :p
07:28 <Luke-Jr> I'll set you up a website, and if you just link files to it and keep bw usage low, it won't be considered a website =p
07:28 <Luke-Jr> sound good?
07:29 <spidey> mmm
07:29 <spidey> k
07:29 <spidey> i'll be using include to put them on the server stats page i'm working on
07:29 <spidey> ;x
07:29 <spidey> check out that page i just posted :D
07:30 <spidey> i'm better at css than i am at html,even though i don't really know css >.<
07:32 <Luke-Jr> put/link files into ~/svc/www
07:32 <Luke-Jr> don't use include
07:32 <spidey> ?
07:32 <Luke-Jr> use fread, and proper escaping
07:32 <Luke-Jr> include is for including local PHP files
07:32 <Luke-Jr> not reading data
07:32 <spidey> it can do remote ones to
07:32 <Luke-Jr> no it can't
07:33 <spidey> that's why i asked you to put it in a web-accessable folder
07:33 <spidey> it can
07:33 <Luke-Jr> no
07:33 <Luke-Jr> RTFM
07:33 <spidey> watch
07:33 <Luke-Jr> and also realize that webserver preexecutes PHP
07:34 <Luke-Jr> and I reiterate-- 'include' is for executing external PHP code only, NOT inserting data on a page
07:35 <spidey> shush :p
07:35 <spidey> what's the link to the www ?
07:36 <spidey> ./spidey?
07:36 <Luke-Jr> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.readfile.php
07:36 <Luke-Jr> that's what you want to use
07:36 <spidey> >.<
07:37 <spidey> i've did it before
07:37 <spidey> i don't need a manual to tell me i can't :p
07:37 <Luke-Jr> your relying on a hack that only works per chance, with several security holes
07:37 <Luke-Jr> readfile protects you from *some* of them, at least
07:38 <Luke-Jr> you should really use file_get_contents and escape output
07:38 <spidey> it's not a hack
07:38 <Luke-Jr> yes it is
07:38 <spidey> it's simpely <?php include('www.whatever.com'); ?>
07:38 <Luke-Jr> and that is wrong
07:38 <spidey> it works :)
07:38 <Luke-Jr> no it doesn't
07:39 <spidey> it does
07:39 <Luke-Jr> even if it did, it would open a ton of security holes
07:39 <spidey> how?
07:39 <Luke-Jr> 1. PHP code would be executed on www.whatever.com, and not on the local system-- which means no variables etc
07:39 <Luke-Jr> 2. PHP-like code *returned* WOULD be executed locally
07:40 <Luke-Jr> 3. output would be unescaped
07:40 <Luke-Jr> that's the 3 most obvious
07:40 <Luke-Jr> echo htmlentities(file_get_contents($filename)); <-- the correct way
07:41 <spidey> what's the link to the server?
07:41 <Luke-Jr> btw, your players.txt is a copy, not a link
07:41 <spidey> and $html = implode('', file('www.whatever.com')); is another way
07:41 <Luke-Jr> http://spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org/
07:41 <Luke-Jr> you still need to run htmlentities on it
07:41 <spidey> foreach ($lines as $line_num => $line) {
07:41 <spidey> echo "Line #<b>{$line_num}</b> : " . htmlspecialchars($line) . "<br />\n";
07:41 <Luke-Jr> and it's less efficient since file is exploding the page, and then you're imploding it
07:42 <Luke-Jr> that works
07:42 <Luke-Jr> just whatever you do, don't use include or I will feel obligated to exploit it ;)
07:42 <Luke-Jr> especially after warning you and such =p
07:42 <spidey> Firefox can't find the server at spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org.
07:43 <Luke-Jr> ln -sf ../aa/var/players.txt /home/spidey/svc/www/ <-- what you want on lightfoot, btw
07:43 <Luke-Jr> spidey: DNS propagation takes time
07:44 <spidey> k
07:44 <spidey> did you see the link i posted? :p
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07:47 <Luke-Jr> ?
07:47 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
07:47 <spidey> :D
07:50 <Luke-Jr> i c
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09:15 <spidey> ok luke
09:15 <spidey> i got it
09:15 <spidey> >.<
09:15 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players2.php
09:42 <spidey> #night
09:42 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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10:16 <guru3> emerge world -> 291 packages
10:16 <guru3> gonna be a long time before my desktop's usable again it seems
10:58 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why replace anything? Base * are only used in spots where it's safe to use them
11:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: tValue::Callback will be legacy and doesn't really need to be parsed by the parser. varmap_t, funcmap_t and cb_ptr don't have anything to do with the tValue hierarchy, they're just used by the legacy tValue types
11:06 <wrtlprnft> looks like Jonathan has a new page layout I can steal
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11:59 <philippeqc> hi
12:02 <philippeqc> hi
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12:02 <philippeqc> re-hi
12:23 <wrtlprnft> hi-re
12:24 <philippeqc> I'm still investigating the possible prob that z-man pointed
12:24 <philippeqc> about delete and forward declarated classes
12:26 <wrtlprnft> strange, it worked fine for me when I used gcc 3.3 and std::auto_ptr in cValue
12:27 <philippeqc> the only thing I can find to support his position is that if the class is used in a header (and a template like std::auto_ptr would qualify for that), then it cant be forward delared
12:27 <philippeqc> and as you say, it works for me too;)
12:27 <philippeqc> and I have one mean big cycle of dependency
12:28 <wrtlprnft> sure, if you were to try to actually do something with the std::auto_ptr...
12:28 <wrtlprnft> but for the class declaration it only needs to know its size, which is the size of a pointer
12:28 <philippeqc> both zZone and zMonitor have smart ptr to zEffectGroup, which has one to validator, that has one to zZoneInfluence and selector. 
12:28 <philippeqc> validator also has a zMonitor influence
12:29 <philippeqc> zXInfluence have one to X (where X is either zone or monitor)
12:29 <philippeqc> but he say "what about the delete operation"
12:29 <philippeqc> so how does delete know how much memory to free ANYWAY
12:30 <philippeqc> doesnt delete work a bit like free, and rely to some table of allocated memory to know how much to free? (well that is my understanding of free, but it doesnt mean its true)
12:32 <wrtlprnft> well, delete has to call the deconstructor of the pointed object first
12:32 <wrtlprnft> and how does it know if this destructor even exists if the class is just forward declared?
12:33 <philippeqc> could all this be because he didnt see that the header file of the forwarded class is declared at the end of the file, and he just missed it?
12:35 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
12:35 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you get gcc 3.3 and try to fix the problems
12:35 <philippeqc> well, if a class has a safe ptr to objects of the same class, the safe ptr is defined before the class is, 
12:36 <philippeqc> and the class definition follows and the sPtr (smart pointer) still can operate on it.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5994 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: We're using shared_ptr now, so no need to call copy() in tValue::Set's copy constructor.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> 6 to go!
12:38 <philippeqc> lol
12:38 <philippeqc> wont I mess up my setup if I install gcc 3.3?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
12:39 <wrtlprnft> get qemu and just make a minimal gentoo install in it?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> using gcc 3.3, as new installs use 3.4 by default
12:39 <philippeqc> yeah, that sound like a sure plan for a wasted afternoon trying to correct conflicting packages problems
12:40 <wrtlprnft> heh
12:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd give you an account on my server, but I just upgraded it to gcc 3.4
12:42 <philippeqc> :(
12:42 <philippeqc> bad wrtlprnft 
12:42 <philippeqc> downgrade
12:42 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanted to compile your branch, right?
12:42 <philippeqc> wanna have one on mine
12:42 <wrtlprnft> you should still be able to use the old gcc, though
12:42 <philippeqc> but didnt you have another prob than this one?
12:42 <wrtlprnft> no, it went away with the upgrade
12:43 <philippeqc> was it that problem or another one?
12:43 <wrtlprnft> it was a weird problem in tJUST_CHECKED_PTR
12:43 <wrtlprnft> and it went away when I replaced the typedef so it just used a normal pointer
12:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: actually, gcc-3.3.6 is still on that machine, you'd just have to tell the build system to use it
12:44 <philippeqc> how do I do that?
12:44 <wrtlprnft> dunno :s
12:44 <wrtlprnft> probably some configure flag
12:44 <philippeqc> ok
12:45 <wrtlprnft>   CPP         C preprocessor
12:45 <wrtlprnft>   CXX         C++ compiler command
12:45 <wrtlprnft>   CXXCPP      C++ preprocessor
12:45 <wrtlprnft>   CC          C compiler command
12:45 <wrtlprnft> just set these environment variables
12:45 <wrtlprnft> when calliong configure
12:47 <philippeqc> ok
12:48 <philippeqc> can I get an account?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> looks like it's enough to set CXX
12:48 <wrtlprnft> let me try compiling first
12:48 <philippeqc> ok
12:48 <wrtlprnft> see if i get weird errors
12:48 <philippeqc> what do you feed to CXX?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> and give me a public SSH key :P
12:49 <wrtlprnft> c++-3.3.6
12:49 <philippeqc> so something like CXX=c++-3.3.6 ../configure    
12:49 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:50 <philippeqc> ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIhYQoavTm+ILhsvHVLhEKllx30LJ7uhXIbbjKw4XH12VGSFYfPzRC1SMitDmVBP5AhQHtFeobm9RcYeKjUKrMa6lMT52yVEUV1S6lqVJL9QChBNvA+aFy6QXWxEJc0ozFvgbE+fEgLbVHSZNwZfJR7KACe/4Bfqzy0OlENx5x8pAAAAFQDzXA3XmjbG0fuekxItKBK6x0UeiQAAAIBJ3siOAm20DBSxC7dWtjE512756dWgWZlzsEyQrusDOr9ZXNJnFj/Pm+oB5PHMe5LIgtjA9h6MUG/av3XjfmlOfl1TXi/KE71+MOxa8n8j9IQ+vtN9RpBYlQBkJyMIRikjPcYEz+nmwVRv8H/Yo3WfKh8ldY0f1xzA1///zkDKqgAAAIA4JchKZluSnk5Op+
12:50 <philippeqc> xJghCmKOl7XCak8XKWhTYjPW31shAsMGFI4XNch/VqYYl8Huh/TgWgxjLmzBH48pIf64xYKuNWq1OIMajq0G5RJyPEL4RFSrd6ZHkvkgr/roOkJK4IhtkfNxgZCcJVXCXfOwYTOVe+pxjsPRHf1W2ykJSQ+A== ph@black
12:51 <philippeqc> maybe not the smartest thing to do ;) it breaks it
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> holyfuckingsheepshit
12:51 <wrtlprnft> it should work
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> o_0
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> �8)
12:52 <philippeqc> hummm, fornicating with bleesed muttons excrements
12:52 <SuPeRTaRD> jesusfuckingbullchrist
12:52 <SuPeRTaRD> there ya go freud
12:52 <philippeqc> your turn now
12:53 <SuPeRTaRD> diety copulating with bah!!!
12:54 <SuPeRTaRD> i caynt speel the big wurds ;_(
12:54 <philippeqc> sure you can. Just give it a try.
12:55 <SuPeRTaRD> disinformationialism
12:56 <SuPeRTaRD> i go play in the grids now
12:56 <SuPeRTaRD> *poof*
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12:56 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try now
12:56 <wrtlprnft> ssh philippeqc@wrtlprnft.ath.cx
12:57 <philippeqc> doesnt want to connect... 
12:58 <wrtlprnft> weird...
12:58 <wrtlprnft> any error message?
12:58 <philippeqc> firewall?
12:58 <philippeqc> nope, just nothing
12:58 <philippeqc> did you give me a shell?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> ack, my fault
12:59 <wrtlprnft> can you just connect to port 443?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> or no, nvm
12:59 <wrtlprnft> won't work either
12:59 <wrtlprnft> lemme fix it
12:59 <philippeqc> ukay
13:00 <wrtlprnft> try now
13:00 <philippeqc> 443 or not?
13:00 <philippeqc> in
13:01 <wrtlprnft> any :)
13:02 <wrtlprnft> guess i don't have to mention that: fair use :)
13:03 <philippeqc> for aa related of course
13:03 <philippeqc> want an account here for fast compilation ?
13:03 <philippeqc> and 4.0.1 gcc
13:04 <wrtlprnft> would make sense, actually
13:07 <wrtlprnft> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAzzUeKeL614Is9ZRFNzvHOg/g2QDw9540WHHRiE/YiEhvFec+mvjG4RiFWuV7VGtSdMwc5A6Qo2Bjm6U1kqQFiauyR0c2RmH+t5E4VuGxX+vxW5yP41AsQwxae6ZSIHbFPDyg3oOQhlnzNn7f6NPlF421lvQkYCh0kiATdYNUFfMFDtJAeo+/3Q1yK2q2Uc530oO5Xpd44BlDeiI5jun9/X0fEohPVy78aeDuM36ORBs02MpYykR/9/0U9Fixyo2RFxAnxMvNz3TVk2HvZcuyG28nWMW3Qs+d29a50I8016EPuE5LDrVwJjxRtz1T7V1daNJK9JGHWDuP9lZg9k+JJw== mathias@laptop
13:10 <philippeqc> where did you put my 
13:10 <philippeqc> oups
13:10 <philippeqc> account set, I'll need to open the firewall
13:14 <philippeqc> ssh  wrtlprnft@83.250.130.90
13:14 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@83.250.130.90's password:
13:14 <wrtlprnft> doesn't accept my key
13:14 <philippeqc> wait
13:15 <philippeqc> now
13:15 <wrtlprnft> still :s
13:15 <philippeqc> now
13:16 <wrtlprnft> my private key has to work, it's the same key i use on aabeta
13:16 <philippeqc> its not your fault, I had the wrong premission on the file
13:16 <philippeqc> hence the "now" because I changed something
13:16 <wrtlprnft> still doesn't work :s
13:16 <wrtlprnft> just su to me and put it there
13:16 <wrtlprnft> that's what i did
13:17 <philippeqc> I did it with root now
13:17 <wrtlprnft> ssh is very strict on permissions, it's best to create the file as the user
13:17 <wrtlprnft> did you make sure the file is owned by me?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> if it's owned by someone else ssh won't accept it
13:17 <philippeqc> it is
13:18 <wrtlprnft> weird...
13:18 <philippeqc> [wrtlprnft@localhost .ssh]$ ll
13:18 <philippeqc> total 8
13:18 <philippeqc> -rw-------  1 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 396 Aug  6 13:19 authorized_keys
13:18 <philippeqc> -rw-------  1 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 396 Aug  6 13:10 authorized_keys2
13:18 <philippeqc> doubled it just in case
13:19 <wrtlprnft> maybe the key got broken in IRC
13:19 <philippeqc> drwx------  2 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 4096 Aug  6 13:19 .ssh/
13:19 <philippeqc> maybe its a bad config on my part
13:20 <wrtlprnft> can you md5sum the file?
13:20 <wrtlprnft> 468d407073b5b46f699b3ba6844fd633  .ssh/authorized_keys
13:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what it should be
13:20 <philippeqc> 468d407073b5b46f699b3ba6844fd633  authorized_keys
13:20 <wrtlprnft> so that's not a problem
13:23 <philippeqc> what is the password of a password less account?
13:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, i just set the password to something random
13:24 <wrtlprnft> i don't even know it anymore
13:25 <philippeqc> fixed
13:25 <philippeqc> (the password part)
13:32 <philippeqc> clueless here
13:46 <wrtlprnft> now i'm logged in
13:46 <philippeqc> yes????
13:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:46 <wrtlprnft> i just came back from a shower and tried again :P
13:46 <philippeqc> how
13:46 <philippeqc> ok
13:47 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp: In member function 'tValue::Base* tValue::Registration::use(tValue::arglist)':
13:47 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp:71: warning: ISO C++ forbids casting between pointer-to-function and pointer-to-object
13:47 <philippeqc> many errors here
13:48 <wrtlprnft> weird ones too
13:55 <philippeqc> you dont have SDL installed on that machine?
14:29 <philippeqc> could we ask that Luke-Jr  work on a private branch?
14:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5995 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/doc/network.html.m4: Added iF's master server.
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5996 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (configure.ac src/defs.h): Using AC_CHECK_DECLS now to look for sinf et al; they may be inlined so AC_CHECK_FUNCS doesn't find them. Plus, it's faster that way.
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5997 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (configure.ac src/defs.h):
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Reverted last change, checking for linkage is the right thing for functions.
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed check for X includes for dedicated server.
17:02 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5998 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zZone.h zZoneInfluence.cpp zZoneInfluence.h): Forward declaraction and smart ptr should work on gcc 3.3.6, 3.4.6 and 4.0.1.
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19:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5999 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGrid.cpp: Simplify the grid only in phases when it pays off.
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19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6000 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetwork.cpp nNetwork.h): Optimization: resend timeout of network messages is only calculated when they are first sent, not every time resending is considered.
19:32 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: don't use ISO C++?
19:32 <Luke-Jr> POSIX allows it
19:33 <philippeqc>  gentoo doesnt
19:33 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Base* != BasePtr; consistency is one reason; when Base* is used, should I assume it's safe to delete or not-delete? etc
19:34 <philippeqc> always encapsulate in safe pointers and avoid any problems!
19:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: my system's been GCC 3.4 (default) since I installed it 2 or so years ago
19:36 <philippeqc> z-man had a bug that flaired with gcc 3.3.6 on my code. I could not verify it with DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 on gcc 3.3.6 because of your bug
19:36 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf is a safe pointer?
19:36 <Luke-Jr> it's not a bug ;)
19:36 <Luke-Jr> it's a C-ism
19:36 <Luke-Jr> because I don't see any way to do it with C++ otherwise
19:37 <philippeqc> basically, its an object pretending to be a pointer. 
19:37 <Luke-Jr> no
19:37 <Luke-Jr> it's a pointer to a function
19:37 <Luke-Jr> cast to a generic pointer
19:37 <Luke-Jr> (void *)
19:38 <philippeqc> why do you need to throw away the information of the type of pointer? Can you find a method that preserves it, and help you ensure you pass the right stuff?
19:38 <Luke-Jr> I could keep the type if I double all my functions using it
19:38 <DrJoeTron> you can use a pointer to poke!
19:39 <Luke-Jr> including doing 2 constructors * 4+
19:39  * philippeqc doesnt know luke's code
19:40 <philippeqc> Have you though of default values?
19:40 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:41 <philippeqc> ctor(int a, int b=0, int c=1, int d=0)
19:41 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:41 <philippeqc> ctor(6) ==> ctor(6, 0, 1, 0)
19:41 <Luke-Jr> that might work on some systems, but probably not most
19:41 <Luke-Jr> well, maybe most
19:41 <Luke-Jr> but not all
19:41 <philippeqc> its a basic oo mecanism
19:42 <Luke-Jr> none, if C++ mangles the # of args, which I think it does
19:42 <Luke-Jr> since the called function won't have default values
19:42 <philippeqc> it works quite fine
19:42 <philippeqc> you know the eCoord form the game?
19:42 <Luke-Jr> sure
19:43 <philippeqc> the ctor is eCoord (float x=0.0, float y=0.0)
19:43 <philippeqc> works fine on all systems
19:43 <Luke-Jr> if I cast X::create() to Base*(*)(Base*=NULL,Base*=NULL), is that defined to work?
19:43  * philippeqc doenst know from what ass you thougth that one
19:43 <Luke-Jr> yes, but this is different
19:43 <philippeqc> but the point is that you can call a eCoord() 
19:43 <Luke-Jr> the *actual function* cannot have such defaults
19:44 <Luke-Jr> actually... it could maybe
19:44 <philippeqc> I still think that you are trying to fix a problem that isnt there
19:44  * Luke-Jr ponders
19:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how come your system doenst seem to be going in the following direction:
19:45 <philippeqc> tValue::add(tValue right, tValue left) 
19:45 <Luke-Jr> not all functions or operators are binary
19:45 <philippeqc> tValue::sin(tValue val)
19:46 <philippeqc> tValue::time()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> that's what it does
19:46 <philippeqc> when do you need more than 2?
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Compare
19:46 <Luke-Jr> except type name and args are determined at runtime
19:47 <philippeqc> but you should have those class somewhere so your parser can actually use them
19:47 <philippeqc> and assemble an equation
19:47 <Luke-Jr> certain classes are
19:47 <Luke-Jr> such as Add and Subtract
19:47 <philippeqc> ok
19:47 <Luke-Jr> others are function-only, and shouldn't be
19:48 <philippeqc> except conditions, when do you need 3 or more?
19:49 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure I could find such an example, if it mattered
19:49 <Luke-Jr> the point is extensible
19:50 <philippeqc> If I was to parse "2 +3", I'd probably return tValue::add(tvalue::value(2), tValue::value(3)) (dynamically but now we are on irc...)
19:50 <Luke-Jr> that's what it does
19:50 <Luke-Jr> this is for "sin(3)"
19:50 <philippeqc> you notice that no constructor build the sub elements?
19:50 <Luke-Jr> 'sin' becomes a tString, and 3 goes into a deque
19:50 <philippeqc> they are passed as arguments
19:52 <Luke-Jr> theRegistry takes the tString and deque and constructs it
19:52 <philippeqc> what I'm saying is, instead of having very simple and light tvalue objects and push the complexity to "the parser" that assemble them like lego bricks, you seem to have very complex tvalue that build themself.
19:53 <Luke-Jr> the "complexity" is in theRegistry, not the parser nor the expressions
19:54 <philippeqc> so who is passing all the data and the deque around, just theRegistry, and the tValue never sees it?
19:54 <Luke-Jr> expressions never see it, no
19:54 <philippeqc> expression?
19:54 <Luke-Jr> they just get their normal constructor args
19:54 <Luke-Jr> Add/GreaterThan/Compare/etc
19:54 <philippeqc> you mean assembled tvalues?
19:55 <philippeqc> normal constructors args????
19:55 <Luke-Jr> Base *, Base*, ...
19:55 <philippeqc> so child nodes only
19:55 <philippeqc> tValue::BasePtr
19:56 <Luke-Jr> sure
19:56 <Luke-Jr> those are all ignorant of the complex stuff
19:56 <philippeqc> ok
19:58 <Luke-Jr> the parser itself just calls theRegistry.create(tString, deque)
19:58 <Luke-Jr> so it also has it simple
19:58 <philippeqc> what is in the deque?
19:58 <philippeqc> and in the string
19:59 <Luke-Jr> the tString argument holds the function name. eg, "sin?
19:59 <Luke-Jr> "sin"*
19:59 <Luke-Jr> the deque holds arguments
19:59 <philippeqc> so the parser knows a sin only has one arguement, and read it, push it to the deque, call theRegistry, and it gets added
20:01 <Luke-Jr> theRegistry.create looks up the class name, and creates it with passed args
20:01 <philippeqc> but if the parser already know from the class name the number of arguement, dont you feel somehow it could create it directly?
20:02 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't know that
20:02 <guru3> why me
20:02 <guru3> firefox crashes loading the forums
20:02 <Luke-Jr> and it can't create itt directly without the same code theRegistry uses
20:02 <philippeqc> how does the parser read the right number of args 
20:02 <Luke-Jr> (arg1, 2, 3, 4)
20:03 <Luke-Jr> guru3: the main site has intermittant include errors that make no sense
20:03 <philippeqc> how does it know that func g needs n
20:03 <guru3> yeah i noticed that
20:03 <guru3> blame sf
20:03 <Luke-Jr> guru3: someone forgot to set shell group on ph and I on SF, BTW
20:04 <guru3> ?
20:04 <Luke-Jr> we're not in armagetronad on SF's shell servers
20:04 <guru3> odd
20:04 <Luke-Jr> there's a checkbox in admin
20:05 <Luke-Jr> my KDE is messed up, or I'd tell you the exact text ;)
20:07 <guru3> fixed
20:07 <guru3> not sure why you need shell access
20:07 <guru3> but there you go anyway
20:08 <Luke-Jr> well, it would have been needed if the website problem was fixable, and avoids me asking someone else every time I need to import something to Svn
20:08 <guru3> mm kay
20:12 <Luke-Jr> guru3: if you need another place for the site, BTW, hachi is certainly open
20:13 <Luke-Jr> guru3: SF's intermittant problems sure seem to be more often than hachi's occasional network-drop
20:13 <guru3> yeah
20:13 <guru3> but using sf
20:13 <guru3> gives a real boost to project activity
20:13 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:14 <guru3> top 50
20:14 <guru3> is not bad
20:14 <guru3> x)
20:14 <Luke-Jr> half the people going to the site get something broken, is more relevant than SF activity stats
20:14 <Luke-Jr> IMO
20:14 <guru3> seems like every 1/7 pages or so
20:14 <Luke-Jr> seems random to me
20:15  * spidey yawns
20:15 <guru3> firefox crashing
20:15 <Luke-Jr> could always do a get_file_content("http://armagetronad.sf.net") in the header PHP file ;)
20:15 <guru3> is really starting to get to me
20:15 <Luke-Jr> or use an invisible iframe
20:15 <Luke-Jr> then it keeps stats up regardless of where it's hosted ;)
20:15 <guru3> why must firefox crash
20:16 <spidey> linux?
20:16 <guru3> yes
20:16 <Luke-Jr> then why use FireFox? =p
20:16 <guru3> only when i go to armagetron sites too
20:16 <spidey> updated version?
20:16 <guru3> just updated
20:16 <spidey> before i formatted i had that problem
20:16 <spidey> only
20:17 <spidey> it wouldn't start,and when it did i only got so far before it crashed
20:17 <guru3> oh it works on other sites just fine
20:17 <guru3> just crashes when i go to an armagetron site
20:17 <spidey> O.o
20:17 <Luke-Jr> must be lack's fault
20:17 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:17 <guru3> at least that's what i feel like :/
20:18 <spidey> does it do it on every page?
20:18 <spidey> or just a certain few
20:19 <guru3> i dunno
20:20 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ping
20:20 <philippeqc> ack
20:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6001 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): use a void(*)() instead of void*
20:20 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: does this compile for you now?
20:21 <philippeqc> it will take some time to check
20:21 <philippeqc> I have to compile on wrt's computer
20:21 <Luke-Jr> o.O
20:21 <Luke-Jr> I thought the problem was on your computer?
20:22 <philippeqc> z-man observed a prob with 3.3.6 that I needed to fix. The only 3.3.6 I found was on wrt
20:23 <philippeqc> and while trying to fix it, I stumbled on your compile error/warning
20:23 <philippeqc> this will take some time ;)
20:23 <Luke-Jr> i c
20:23 <philippeqc> i started the compiling
20:24 <philippeqc> I'd say we have ~30 min to know if it worked
20:24 <philippeqc> I had to reconfigure it 
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <Luke-Jr> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
20:24 <Luke-Jr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
20:24 <Luke-Jr> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <philippeqc> he has both 3.3.6 and 3.4.6
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.5 (Gentoo 3.4.5-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <philippeqc> got 4.0.1 here locally
20:25  * spidey goes to make a shitty shoutbox ;x
20:29 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:198: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:29 <philippeqc>    different exceptions
20:29 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:29 <philippeqc>    malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:29 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:205: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:29 <philippeqc>    exceptions
20:29 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:29 <philippeqc>    throw ()'
20:29 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: In function `int yyparse()':
20:29 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:114: warning: value computed is not used
20:29 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that's a GCC bug
20:30 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, a newer version of BISON has a workaround of some sort
20:30 <philippeqc> ok
20:30 <Luke-Jr> is "delete a, b;" valid to delete both?
20:31 <philippeqc> i wouldnt trust it
20:31 <philippeqc> never saw that notation
20:31 <Luke-Jr> how would you delete 2 objs?
20:31 <philippeqc> delete a
20:31 <philippeqc> delete b;
20:32 <Luke-Jr> aww
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6002 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: can't delete multiple objects per line? :(
20:33 <philippeqc> here we go again
20:34 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:198: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:34 <philippeqc>    different exceptions
20:34 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:34 <philippeqc>    malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:34 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:205: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:34 <philippeqc>    exceptions
20:34 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:34 <philippeqc>    throw ()'
20:34 <philippeqc> is still there (yes I know you didnt do anything for that)
20:34 <Luke-Jr> that's with a newer BISON, and cleaning of src/tValueParser.cpp?
20:35 <spidey> mmm
20:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6003 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Optimization: Switched from storing nominally deleted objects in an array (sucks) to storing them in a map (rules).
20:36 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: people will want to compile it on different bison version....
20:36 <Luke-Jr> then use a non-buggy GCC
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20:37 <Luke-Jr> look at the code, it is clearly OK
20:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6004 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: see if this gets around ph's GCC+BISON problem
20:40 <philippeqc> updating
20:40 <philippeqc> making
20:41 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:200: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:41 <philippeqc>    different exceptions
20:41 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:41 <philippeqc>    malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:41 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:207: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:41 <philippeqc>    exceptions
20:41 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:41 <philippeqc>    throw ()'
20:42 <Luke-Jr> grep stdlib src/tValueParser.cpp
20:44 <philippeqc>         #include <stdlib.h>
20:44 <philippeqc> #     include <stdlib.h> /* INFRINGES ON USER NAME SPACE */
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6005 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Smarter handling of data structures when a nNetObject is deleted.
20:44 <Luke-Jr> bison --version
20:45 <philippeqc> bison (GNU Bison) 2.1
20:45 <spidey> #g 6*50,000
20:45 <armabot> 6 * 50,000 = 300,000
20:46 <spidey> i give up on a shoutbox >.<
20:49 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: are you using -pedantic?
20:49 <philippeqc> DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2
20:49 <philippeqc> as z-man said we should
20:49 <Luke-Jr> http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-bison%40gnu.org/msg00726.html
20:50 <philippeqc> bbl
20:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6006 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: why does Luke-Jr want me to unignore him, and why should I care?
21:13 <spidey> ask him
21:13 <GodTodd> he said he had to talk to you....as for why you should care...beats me ;)
21:13 <spidey> he said he needs to talk to you about something
21:13 <Compn1> Lucifer_arma : i think he wants you to unignore him so he can access your bot
21:14 <spidey> lol,the bot is a seperate ignore
21:14 <Compn1> nm then
21:14 <spidey> hmm
21:14 <spidey> i think i'ma make a css layout for my forums
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and I quietly (whout telling anyone) took him off the bot's ignore list awhile ago
21:14 <spidey> lol
21:14 -!- flea [n=flea@user-0c8hpq7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
21:14 <flea> hey
21:15 <spidey> Compn1 you see what i've done so far? ;x
21:15 <flea> anyone have any info where abouts styball server is/went?
21:15 <Compn1> flea : ask groundpig ;p
21:15 <Compn1> spidey : naw i've been busy ;\
21:15 <philippeqc> back
21:15 <flea> groundpig, is that meaning google?
21:15 <flea> what
21:16 <spidey> groundpig = a person
21:16 <spidey> groundpig = owns styball
21:16 <flea> ah
21:16 <flea> but not here, and no way to ask, right
21:16 <flea> so no one really knows?
21:16 <spidey> spidey = going to fuck up his forums
21:16 <Compn1> its his server
21:16 <Compn1> so he knows
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> isn't he in CA?
21:17 <spidey> he's in a state i can't spell
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's definitely US, but I have to admin I'm forgetting what state he's in
21:17 <spidey> #check masachuttice
21:17 <spidey> ;x
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> MA
21:17 <spidey> ya
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> Massachussetts
21:17 <[dlh]> wow
21:17 <spidey> i was close :D
21:17 <flea> any contact info for him?
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig @ the forums ?
21:18 <flea> forums.. ah
21:18 <flea> thx
21:18 <flea> dpg had a ball in that server...
21:18 <flea> would be very very nice to see up again
21:18 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "masachuttice": masochistic, Massachusetts, malachite, masochist, masochists, mischance, masochist's, matchstick, malachite's, machetes, and mastic.
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's a cool server :)
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I was wrong
21:18 <flea> i'll go check my machetes
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> my incremental backups are working!  yay!  :)
21:19 <flea> does armabot work the bar also? i'll have a berwsky
21:19 <flea> !beer
21:19 <spidey> lol
21:20 <flea> wrong chan i suppose ;)
21:20 <spidey> armabot's lagging
21:20  * flea isnt rushin the bar-keep
21:21 <flea> is bugfarm down??
21:21 <flea> boring server sUCK
21:21 <flea> no goodplace to play atm
21:21 <flea> t:(
21:21 <flea> all this beer, all this smoke, no arma :(
21:21 <spidey> ok
21:22 <spidey> so appearently making a forum layout in css is above me :D
21:22  * spidey has a headache
21:22 <flea> i do css, any help ?
21:22 <spidey> well
21:22 <spidey> i think it's more i'm not all the way woke up
21:22 <flea> msgg
21:22 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/index.php
21:22 <spidey> but i'ma make one that matches that layout
21:23 <flea> dtd's?
21:24 <spidey> ?
21:24 <flea> wheres ur data homls
21:24  * spidey notes he doesn't really know css
21:24 <spidey> i read for 5minutes then made that
21:24 <spidey> >.<
21:24 <spidey> homls?
21:25 <flea> bit drunkd atm
21:25 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/style.css
21:25 <spidey> that?
21:25 <flea> i see the html params, but u trying to pull css data in to the page?
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6007 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (6 files): Saved two raycasts per cycle per frame on the dedicated server by recycling information from the accelerator raycasts.
21:26 <spidey> no
21:26 <spidey> i've got that page done
21:26 <spidey> i'ma make a css template for my forums next
21:26 <spidey> when i wake up :D
21:27 <flea> ...
21:27 <spidey> ?
21:31  * flea forgets irssi everytime i use it
21:31 <flea> long live epic 4 :/
21:34 <flea> bugfarm down?
21:34 <flea> or hiddne
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> gone
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6901
21:37 <flea> no match for groundpig or styball on forums
21:37 <flea> i c thx
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=771
21:44 <flea> tyz
22:07 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i needed some extra lag for a screenshot, hope you don't mind I did a quick cat /dev/zero | ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net 'cat >/dev/null' to get some x_x
22:07 <wrtlprnft> arma related, of course
22:07 <wrtlprnft> though it ended giving me waaay too much lag :s
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here ever use Unison?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/index.html
22:13 <[dlh]> I tried it out, but I didn't like it too much.
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
22:20 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/forum.php
22:20 <spidey> yay
22:20 <spidey> i suck
22:20 <spidey> :(
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, did you find something that was useful?  :)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I need to synchronize a pretty large directory on my laptop to my server, and then back it up on the server
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I have the backup system going, just need to work out some minor issues with the hard drive
22:30 <spidey> ok
22:30 <spidey> so appearently i can't include something in a higher directory >.<
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22:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
22:34 <spidey> 'er
22:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr?
23:17 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if calling your math parser from the map parser. for callback function, I tried with functions that where local to the parser, and static method to an object. Everything fails. Got any idea?
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23:21 <Lucifer_arma> fails how?
23:22 <philippeqc> return always 0
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> static to the object?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> is it in svn where I can browse it from the svn browser?
23:22 <philippeqc> static float two(float x) {return 2.0;};
23:23 <philippeqc> dont want to commit, I'm messing up lots of the trunk
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft's code is in trunk, though?
23:23 <philippeqc> yes
23:23 <philippeqc>     tValue::Expr::varmap_t vars;
23:23 <philippeqc>     vars[tString("rot")] = &rotationSpeed;
23:23 <philippeqc>     
23:23 <philippeqc>     tValue::Expr::funcmap_t functions;
23:23 <philippeqc>     functions[tString("time")] = &zShape::myTime;
23:24 <philippeqc> look for a similar structure in tValue.cpp
23:24 <philippeqc> the "blah" code works fine there
23:24 <philippeqc> but when I moved it outside of tValue.cpp, callback never work
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you're using this to tell it about it?  http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=771
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Expr::Expr(tString const &expr, varmap_t const &vars, funcmap_t const &functions) {
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> there, that
23:26 <philippeqc> yes
23:28 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ?
23:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not use nc -u to send it to nowhere? :x
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> myTime is static?
23:30 <philippeqc> nope
23:30 <philippeqc> wait
23:30 <philippeqc> which one
23:30 <Lucifer_arma>  functions[tString("time")] = &zShape::myTime  <--- this one
23:30 <Luke-Jr> spidey: pong
23:30 <philippeqc> that one is
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't use any non-static class members?  (can't, the compile would fail)
23:31 <philippeqc> I have tried with 
23:31 <philippeqc> static float two(float x) {  return 2.0; };
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> did you try moving your code to about where Blah() is to see if it works there?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's a line missing from the code you pasted, maybe it's there and you just missed it :)
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Expr expr(tString("x+f(y)"), vars, functions);  <--- from Blah, where he creates the Expr object
23:32 <philippeqc> I have more debug code in the middle
23:33 <philippeqc> yes
23:33 <philippeqc> and then you fetch the data with expr.GetFloat()
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> you have that line?
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23:33 <philippeqc>   tValue::BasePtr yy = tValue::BasePtr( new tValue::Expr (tString("time+1"), vars, functions));
23:33 <philippeqc>     std::cerr << xx->GetFloat() << std::endl;
23:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> you're outputting from an object called xx, but showing me an object being created called yy
23:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: tValue::Base *yy = tValueParser::parse("time() + 1");
23:36 <philippeqc> http://pastebin.ca/119452
23:36 <philippeqc> I have that in gParser.cpp
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that's not it, I don't know.  :)  I've done the "make sure philippeqc didn't forget anything obvious"  :)
23:36 <philippeqc> the last out crashes now
23:36 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm trying from a function defined just before
23:36 <philippeqc> that worked in tValue and now not anymore
23:37 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: got any other functions than time?
23:37 <philippeqc> is it time since game start or clock time?
23:38 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: any you define
23:38 <philippeqc> how do I define them?
23:38 <philippeqc> and map them
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to think it's some sort of namespace thing.  I take it you tried it with the Blah structure exactly like it is in tValue and that didn't work outside tValue?
23:39 <philippeqc> yes, now it crash
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't anything that looks wrong to me, wrtlprnft usually comes in here about 8-10 hours after right now  :/
23:41 <philippeqc> ;)
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> but he might still be kicking around now, I guess
23:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: subclass Base to define them
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> dev-ml/lablgtk
23:42 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: 'sin' is a 2 line implementation
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, didn't mean to hit return after that
23:42 <Luke-Jr> 	typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
23:42 <Luke-Jr> Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (Registration::fptr)
23:42 <Luke-Jr> 	( Registration::ctor1* )& Creator<Func::Sin>::create<Base*> );
23:43 <Luke-Jr> the first statement goes in a header somewhere, and the second in a .cpp somewhere
23:43 <Luke-Jr> the function name 'sin', the flags 'func' and 'math', 1 argument, and the constructor function pointer
23:44 <Luke-Jr> Time would be a bit more complex due to its strange usage
23:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: 
23:45 <philippeqc>   tValue::Base *aaa =  tValueParser::parse(tString("time() + 1") );
23:45 <philippeqc>   std::cerr << aaa->GetFloat() << std::endl;
23:45 <philippeqc> armagetronad_main: /usr/include/boost/shared_ptr.hpp:253: T* boost::shared_ptr<T>::operator->() const [with T = tValue::Base]: Assertion `px != 0' failed.
23:45 <philippeqc> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
23:45 <philippeqc> 0x00002aaaac718afa in raise () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
23:46 <Luke-Jr> probably because Time isn't implemented yet
23:46 <philippeqc> I though you gave me a valid example!
23:46 <Luke-Jr> it's valid, just not right now
23:46 <Luke-Jr> it will be once time is implemented
23:46 <philippeqc> ok
23:46 <philippeqc> 30
23:46 <philippeqc> 29
23:46 <philippeqc> 28
23:46 <Luke-Jr> for testing, only sin is implemented
23:46 <philippeqc> .... still there? go and code
23:47 <philippeqc> parenthesis, are they implemented?
23:47 <philippeqc> beside functions I mean
23:48 <philippeqc> like 75+50*(cos(time() * 3.14)/5)
23:48 <philippeqc> lucifer, I think we have a space race on our hands
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> who are the participants?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: IIRC, yes
23:50  * Lucifer_arma hasn't read the news today so probably hasn't seen what's got philippeqc musing
23:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that was a simple '(' expr ')' { $$ = $2; }
23:50 <philippeqc> ok
23:51 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: we have 2 parsers atm, and none are doing what I want.... 
23:51 <philippeqc> who will fix it first ;)
23:51 <philippeqc> I had great hopes of testing the new modif for zones.... moving ones
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> aha
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, I just realized I'm syncing 20GB to my server, this could take awhile
23:52 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: what's missing in tValueParser
23:52 <Luke-Jr> ?
23:52 <Luke-Jr> (missing, not merely unimplemented)
23:53 <philippeqc> right now, sin, cos and time 
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, philippeqc, to be completely honest, I think that instead of doing either of these things, we should go ahead and start embedding pythong
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> python
23:53  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know why he *always* typos python as pythong
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> because python has a wonderful expression parser, and for callbacks we just need to tap into the python API to expose them
23:54 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: 'sin' is implemented; the rest are supported, but unimplemented
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> deep down inside, nobody's going to be happy until the expression parser works like any other programming language
23:54 <philippeqc> hummm
23:54 <Luke-Jr> Python cannot be embedded until rexec is fixed, which doesn't look like any time soon
23:55 <philippeqc> i see you wisdom
23:56 <Luke-Jr> embeddding Python as it is now = security holes up the wall
23:57 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I wanted something to help me test the new shape code that I have, and for that I though I'd use tValue on the x and y and animate it.
23:57 <philippeqc> ruby then?
23:57 <Luke-Jr> Ruby is possible, but I still think full scripting support needs more thought
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> not more of this "python's too slow".
23:58 <Luke-Jr> at least, from nemo's description
23:58 <philippeqc> never said that, just "ruby is a hot item right now, and you mentionned it before"
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no, I thought you were responding to something luke said, but since I'm still ignoring luke, I didn't see what he said :)
23:59 <Luke-Jr> maybe he shouldn't ignore me so he doesn't look dumb
23:59 <philippeqc> well as python still has the rexec prob, and that seems to be blocking us right now
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's all attitude that's blocking us right now

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00:00 <wrtlprnft> back.
00:00 <philippeqc> wrt!
00:00 <wrtlprnft> ph!
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> there is one and only one situation where the rexec thing is a problem for us, and that's when we have clients downloading "random" code off the net and running it
00:00 <wrtlprnft> uh, let me read my hilights
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> in all other cases, a sandbox is not needed
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> but why should I bother talking about it?  I've "solved" this problem for us many times before, and I can't solve the attitude problem.
00:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you like efficiency, right? Base* is more efficient than BasePtr and why not use it where it's safe to do so?
00:01 <Luke-Jr> without allowing the server to send code, it can't send expressions, so it wouldn't help anything
00:01 <philippeqc> but what is blocking me from making a server with a hacked map, opening it up, waiting for 1 unsuspicious person to come and get hacked in, and remove it for ever?
00:01 <wrtlprnft> passing a Base const & is perfectly safe as long as the function doesn't store it
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> get hacked in how?
00:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: all the functions do store it, IIRC
00:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: did you get any results with gcc 3.4?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:17 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if calling your math parser from the map parser. for callback function, I tried with functions that where local to the parser, and static method to an object. Everything fails. Got any idea?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that solved yet?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not use nc -u to send it to nowhere? :x
00:02 <wrtlprnft> didn't think of that
00:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, but I needed to compile it without debug or code level
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
00:02 <philippeqc> its commited
00:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: pong
00:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: did you read the tValue reorganization idea thing
00:03 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: security exploit of some sort, I'm not aware of the full problem, so I used a wide term
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, wide terms aren't going to work this out.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: nice it helped :)
00:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Most funcs taking a Base* do store it-- is the assumption to be that they keep it?
00:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yeah, thanks
00:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, i didn't read anything yet
00:04 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what was your answer again about "making zone move"
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I left it with armabot for you last night
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76811#76811  <--- nobody's responded to this, for all I've ignored people have just ignored it
00:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: store it how? past the lifetime of the function?
00:04 <wrtlprnft> ah, yeah, that
00:04 <wrtlprnft> didn't i reply to that?
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: most turn it into a BasePtr for an argument
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nope
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> er
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76811#76811  <--- nobody's responded to this, for all I *know* people have just ignored it
00:05 <wrtlprnft> 10:58 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why replace anything? Base * are only used in spots where it's safe to use them
00:05 <wrtlprnft> 11:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: tValue::Callback will be legacy and doesn't really need to be parsed by the parser. varmap_t, funcmap_t and cb_ptr don't have anything to do with the tValue hierarchy, they're just used by the legacy tValue types
00:05 <wrtlprnft> sure i replied :s
00:05 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what is exactly the rexec module?
00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oh, so you meant it's all good other than that?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> i'm not sure if it will great to require windows users to install python
00:06 <wrtlprnft> it's kind of a big dependency
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure
00:06 <wrtlprnft> as long as you fix the code that's using it :P
00:07 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm asking because I get the feeling zones can be the ball that start scripting. The only problem is that the first thing I was hoping to do with it, is to make zones move in circle.
00:08 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Most funcs taking a Base* do store it-- should everything assume if Base* is an arg, the function will consume it?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=6006
00:08 <philippeqc> as you point to keep out of client downloadable items, that leaves pre-furnished client items and server side scripting
00:08 <wrtlprnft> now we're so far we don't get any log message from Luke-Jr ?!
00:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: do you have an example of such a function?
00:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: most constructors?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> I don't see any...
00:10 <wrtlprnft> or, well
00:11 <wrtlprnft> things in tValue::Func take it
00:11 <Luke-Jr> O.o
00:11 <wrtlprnft> but I didn't do these and have no idea what they are supposed to do :P
00:11 <Luke-Jr> maybe just as return values, then
00:12 <wrtlprnft> yes, return values
00:12 <wrtlprnft> that's save as long as the function who receives it takes care of it
00:12 <wrtlprnft> either deletes it after use or save it in a BasePtr
00:12 <wrtlprnft> *safe
00:12 <Luke-Jr> so I should just make arglist and such use BasePtr
00:13 <wrtlprnft> if you like to
00:13 <wrtlprnft> if it makes sense
00:14 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf is myCol and such?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> #g tan(1/2)
00:14 <armabot> tan(1 / 2) = 0.54630249
00:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ask philippeqc 
00:15 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: fyi, If you move the blah code outside of tValue.cpp, it no longer work as expected.
00:15 <philippeqc> yep
00:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: uh, guess i have to look into that
00:15 <philippeqc> ok
00:15 <philippeqc> going to bed soon
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure I'm tired of stagnation, and I see a lot of it here
00:16 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf is myCol and such?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, we'll staticly link any scripting system JUST LIKE BLENDER DOES so users won't need to install it
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> developers will, of course
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> the rexec module is the sandbox module that prevents "unsafe" code from being executed
00:16 <Luke-Jr> why don't we just statically link EVERYTHING?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> it wraps file open calls and a few other things that are known to be exploitable
00:17 <wrtlprnft> I'm just getting tired of these discussions
00:17 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: dont forget that not everybody has your understanding of what scripting in python means.
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> we have to address the problem at some point when we make it possible for the game to download automatically any scripting code it needs
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> we don't need it until then
00:17 <wrtlprnft> let everyone do their own and see what works best
00:17 <Luke-Jr> just keep Python in a branch
00:17 <Luke-Jr> please
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> this is a problem for any scripting language we have, and all we relaly know is that ruby claims to have one that works
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> the only one I know of that's actually time-tested and somewhat proven is Java's
00:18 <wrtlprnft> do we even need something full- blown?
00:18 <wrtlprnft> i say something with very basic abilities is enough
00:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I don't think so
00:18 <wrtlprnft> and it will only have the abilities we give it
00:18 <Luke-Jr> and anything full-blown will need to be restricted to something less
00:18 <Luke-Jr> before it's safe
00:18 <wrtlprnft> so no sandboxing needed
00:19 <[dlh]> Lua and Io were designed for that :S
00:19 <Luke-Jr> tValue could be a scripting language by adding a few constructs and variables
00:19 <[dlh]> Lua has swig support, too. Io doesn't.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> so was java and activex, but afaik, activex still isn't safe, and it took a few years before java was
00:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i can tell you why it won't work if you go outside the tValue namespace with it :P
00:19 <Luke-Jr> ActiveX was not designed to be safe
00:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you have to prefix Expr with tValue::
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i guess that was me being to lazy :(
00:20 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: done that
00:20 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: statically linked scripts?
00:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah, i see
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> no, the interpreter will be statically linked
00:21 <wrtlprnft> compiles but segfaults
00:21 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: he wants to static-link Python
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> or it'll be dynamically linked and we ship the dll that contains it
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's a reasonable dependency on linux, most people already have it
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo users (i.e. the ones that are complaining) already depend on it because emerge is written in python
00:21 <Luke-Jr> but it's still unsafe, and much more than we need
00:21 <philippeqc> but what does that mean? that the actuall capacity of our engine are limited to a safe sub-set
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much, in a nutshell
00:22 <Luke-Jr> unless you find a way to restrict it, in which case, tValue can suffice almost as well
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> it means that if we allow scripts to open files, we have to make sure it can't open (for example) /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
00:23 <philippeqc> so we could have a "zone move in circle" engine capacity, or would it be a "basic math parser" to wich I feed the proper equation?
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> it means we have to monitor network activity of scripts to make sure they're not downloading code we don't know about
00:23 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it seems to only be failing if you try to pass it a function
00:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, sorry, forgot to mention that
00:23 <wrtlprnft> np
00:23 <Luke-Jr> also, Python doesn't help latency problems
00:23 <wrtlprnft> actually it only fails if you pass it a function and then use it
00:23 <Luke-Jr> unless the code is executed on the client
00:25 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: in your  idea of first round scripting, could you give me some examples that would be "client sided"
00:25 <Luke-Jr> BTW, XMPP has 5 RFCs now =p
00:25 <Luke-Jr> the latest being 4622
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> UI mostly
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, animating models in a custom fashion
00:26 <philippeqc> ok, thats relatively static (UI)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, in my ideal first round of scripting, there's no client side scripting anyway
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's all server side, that's where people have been asking for it for as long as I can remember
00:27 <philippeqc> yes, I understand that, but I'm not very server interested myself, so I need to find my motivation ;)
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the only use case that anybody has put forth is when you do something on the server that requires the client to simulate it
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> if the client doesn't have to simulate it, it doesn't need it
00:28 <philippeqc> everything that is round/mathc tournament and such falls perfectly into scripting
00:28 <philippeqc> of that sort
00:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe add scripting to the client and server, but keep them separate?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> so the server can't tell the client to run a script and vice versa
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> it does, but ti's all stuff that only the server needs
00:28 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: myCol: to view tValue::Base as collections
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> and if only the server needs it, rexec isn't needed
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6008 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h):
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Got rid of quite a lot of raycasts by caching the result of the rubber raycast
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: (from the cycle to the front) during a single simulation frame when nothing can
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: jump into the cycle's path. The cycle position extrapolation code also uses the
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: cached data.
00:30 <wrtlprnft> better make raycasts more effective :P
00:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: he wants scripting to replace tValue stuff
00:30 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: that would be the point
00:30 <philippeqc> too
00:31 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: and if the server can't give the client code, lag problems continue
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you can't replace tValue if it's server-only
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: as collections?
00:31 <philippeqc> yes
00:31 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the server can give approximations
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: explain?
00:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the server can't predict the future if the script is Python
00:32 <philippeqc> a collection: list, array, vector, deque, etc are all collection
00:32 <Luke-Jr> nor can it rewind to the past
00:32 <philippeqc> now the tValue can manipulate that type of data
00:32 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: so why can't you just do std::vector<Base>?
00:33 <philippeqc> so you can have intersection and union and similar tasks
00:33 <wrtlprnft> BasePtr if anything
00:33 <wrtlprnft> a vector of Base is boring as it just contains dummies
00:33 <philippeqc> so it acts as a Base class too
00:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: so it's more or less arrays-for-tValue?
00:35 <philippeqc> nope, 
00:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:35 <philippeqc> its tValue that hold a collection
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> here's a use case for scripting that doesn't require rexec
00:35 <philippeqc> and you can do collection operation on it
00:36 <Luke-Jr> it's an array construct for the tValue 'language', tho, right?
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> let's say I decided to run a server again, and I made it just like the old bugfarm fortress
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> I want AIs that can play fortress, and I want it to be 8 humans against 8 AIs
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> So I write my own custom AIs that can play fortress using scripting
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> same api that makes that possible also makes it possible to make a ball zone
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> the client doesn't need that stuff, it doesn't simulate AIs, it gets those as regular players
00:37 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that works if you don't want to *improve* on lag maybe; with rexec, the clients could almost perfectly predict those AIs
00:37 <Luke-Jr> (someone repeat that plz)
00:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: looks like mathexpr expects the arrays it gets to stay in memory :S
00:37 <wrtlprnft> i'll take care of it
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> I want to store statistics to a mysql database.  Client doesn't need that either
00:38 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that should be C++ code
00:38 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: also, I was not able to do "time+2", that returned 0 too, even right away
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want the game to interact with a web application so I can control a tournament with it.  Guess what?  Client doesn't need that either.
00:38 <philippeqc> ok Lucifer_arma , I start to understand
00:38 <Luke-Jr> yay Lucifer_arma got a legit use case!
00:39 <Luke-Jr> on his 3rd try
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the client can play any game object that's not a cycle without needing to know anything about it besides the physics in teh game (which don't require scripting by themselves) and the model it needs to do it
00:39 <Luke-Jr> but it could still be done with C++
00:39 <philippeqc> lucifer, Luke-Jr said: yay Lucifer_arma got a legit use case!
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> engine's not yet flexible enough for that, it does assume the player is a cycle
00:39 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: if you're gonna repeat that one, repeat the ones before it
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr's a fucking idiot.  I've given these same exact use cases at least 3 times on the forums.  He can't read?
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> he hasn't given a single use case, just "it's useless because I have a stick up my ass"
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going somewhere else, I'm tired of repeating myself.  have a good day guys
00:40 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: yes we could do that in C++, but thats the problem: WE would have to do it. not somebody else!
00:40 <Luke-Jr> screw Lucifer_arma; tValue is better than Python for Arma's purposes
00:40 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: somebody else can too
00:40 <Luke-Jr> it's open source
00:41 <Luke-Jr> if they can't code C++, they can learn it or hire someone who does
00:41 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: thanks for the recap, sorry I used up your patience
00:41 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: sometime I dont know where you go and get those ideas!
00:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: FSF?
00:42 <philippeqc> moron!
00:42 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:42 <philippeqc> you dont want john random server admin to have to understand the full klunk of code so he can make a "best of 3" match.
00:42 <Luke-Jr> there is no good reason to support non-native code for that sort of thing
00:43 <Luke-Jr> you don't need to understand all the code to add to it
00:43 <philippeqc> yes
00:43 <philippeqc> and you pollute the code with small variations rather than offering a clean interface to the mecanism
00:43 <philippeqc> check gGame.cpp
00:43 <philippeqc> move that out of there to scripts
00:43 <Luke-Jr> the purpose of an interpretor is to run code determined based on runtime factors
00:44 <Luke-Jr> such as the client getting code from the server
00:44 <philippeqc> lets have a huge library of scripts, and let people change them at their leisure
00:44 <Luke-Jr> gGame.cpp can be cleaned up, sure, but scripting doesn't help that
00:44 <philippeqc> yes, clean it up to the bare bone
00:44 <Luke-Jr> you're suggesting rewriting the game in Python
00:44 <philippeqc> expose the mecanism, but dont have the logic
00:44 <philippeqc> move that to scripts
00:45 <Luke-Jr> Logic doesn't need a whole scripting language
00:45 <Luke-Jr> it just needs tValue-like stuff
00:45 <philippeqc> let the script decide how many rounds are required to have a match based on runtime data
00:45 <Luke-Jr> yes, but you don't need Python for that
00:46 <philippeqc> and for deciding which player goes in which team?
00:46 <Luke-Jr> just make END_OF_MATCH a config item in the new config structure, and set it to whatever you need
00:46 <philippeqc> I want a minotaur setup
00:46 <Luke-Jr> the new config structure has per-player config settings
00:46 <Luke-Jr> so you can set philippeqc's texture different from everyone else
00:47 <Luke-Jr> or his team based on different picking algo
00:47 <philippeqc> END_OF_MATCH = BEST_7_OF_15_BUT_NOW_MORE_THAN_3_CONSECUTIVE_WINS_FOR_THE_SAME_TEAM
00:47 <philippeqc> ?????
00:47 <philippeqc> minotaur is not texture, its a 2 team vs 1 player
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you haven't used up my patience, don't know that you can.  :)  I'm just generally sick of saying the same things over and over, having them dismissed without any clear thought of what I've said, etc.
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a plain fact that the only time clients need to know the same things the server knows are when the underlying physics have changed, or special animation logic is needed
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> we need to generalize everything else in C++ anyway, otherwise scripting can't extend it, and clients still don't need it.
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6009 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h):
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed a problem with tValue::Expr philippeqc pointed out. The arrays that are
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: passed to mathexpr are now kept alive for as long as the object. Adds another
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: grade of ugly C pointer juggling to it, but it isn't visible from the outside.
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I realize this isn't "obvious" the way I make it sound like.
00:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try now
00:49 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: the number of possibilities I can come up with are countless, and even if you start to break them into categories, I'll come up with new one that brake those categories. So instead of aiming for the huge switch case of all game modes, moving that out of the engive makes the "hard" developers life easier, and allows for "soft" developers to contribute
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> but it's also what made fortress and sty possible in the first place, so it's a lesson learned already from back when fortress was created.
00:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the new config tree + tValue will solve all your use cases
00:51 <wrtlprnft> If you let plugins dig too deep into the engine you'll run into trouble
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> so what I say then is that we work on the 90% of stuff that doesn't require the client to have the same script the server uses,
00:51 <wrtlprnft> scripters won't know exactly what they're doing
00:51 <wrtlprnft> there'll be lots of incompatible scripts that break with new versions
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> by the time we're done with that, then either python's rexec module is fixed, or we're happy and realize we don't need more
00:51 <wrtlprnft> it will be slow as hell
00:51 <wrtlprnft> just look at firefox
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> if neither of those are true, we can get one of the several patches that are out there that fix pythn's rexec module and use them, or we can apply our own fix
00:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6010 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Clear the list of deleted objects a bit safer.
00:52 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I guess my part in reanimating the debate is my strong interess in that 10%
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> that may be, but write out exactly what you want, I'm willing to bet most of what you want isn't in that 10% at all.
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> I know you're pretty thorough in your own thoughts, and I could be wrong about it, but the impression I'm getting pretty much across the board is that most folks around here
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> haven't completely thought out what they want in terms of what's needed to make it happen
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's easy to think yourself into a minority case, but actually very hard to put yourself into it
00:53 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'd have to give it better thoughts. my mind is shutting down and I had my nose into trying to animate the zones... that makes me really biased
00:53 <philippeqc> s/me/my current interests/
00:54 <philippeqc> i really see the value, even though I often forget it.
00:54 <philippeqc> ;)
00:54 <philippeqc> (of the 90%)
00:54 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: how much of Python scripting will break when admins try to use multiple scripts?
00:54 <Luke-Jr> (not designed to complement each other)
00:54 <wrtlprnft> what about using both in some way? we could have the server run dangerous python sctips that would be able to send simple formulas and programs for object movement to the clinet
00:54 <wrtlprnft> *client
00:55 <wrtlprnft> and have the python dependency only on the server, and only optional (you can run a server without it)
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, actually, wrtlprnft , that is the current plan, afaik
00:55 <wrtlprnft> ok, i guess i'm not up to the discussion right now and tired too
00:55 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:56 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty old discussion, you'll have to dig through lots of posts to find it, sorry.  :(
00:56 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: Match.End == Round.End && (Team.WonRounds.Consecutive >= 3 || Team.WonRounds >= 7)
00:56  * Lucifer_arma notes that the posts where it was determined, if in drupal, could be moved to actual pages, eliminating the need to search the forums for them
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm off to wash dishes and get dinner going
00:57 <philippeqc> lol, but then you need to add all of these in case someone whats one of them, 
00:57 <philippeqc> ok
00:57 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you assume compile-time functions only
00:57 <philippeqc> cya Lucifer_arma 
00:57 <philippeqc> I wont be online long
00:57 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: consider that the 'script' can also define new stuff like Team.WonRounds
00:58 <Luke-Jr> or RoundList.Consecutive
00:59 <[dlh]> "Lucifer_arma: and if only the server needs it, rexec isn't needed" -> why? Even if it only runs on the server it still should be sandboxed.
00:59 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: it's not automatic, the admin has had a chance to look it over
00:59 <philippeqc> [dlh]: as a server admin, you hand pick the scripts you decide to run
01:00 <[dlh]> yes, but a sandbox would ensure nothing "bad" happens.
01:00 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: its so that is is possible to have new interest "I want to track the number of consecutive wins" that scripting is interesting
01:00 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: so run the whole program in a sandbox
01:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you can do that with tValue+DTC (dynamic tree config)
01:01 <philippeqc> [dlh]: at the moment, in that scenario, running unknown scripts would be dangerous, as the sandbox is broken.
01:01 <[dlh]> Not in Ruby. ;)
01:01 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: but that makes the engine heavy, slow, big, all things that you dont like
01:02 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no heavy, slow, or big than Python woukld
01:02 <Luke-Jr> no more*
01:02 <philippeqc> the fast gain and quick turn around gained by script vastly superceed the cost
01:03 <Luke-Jr> you think adding scripting will be fast and simple?
01:04 <philippeqc> if you didnt need to patch the code to run pig's soccer game, how many other such ideas would we have
01:04 <Luke-Jr> you assume again that only Python solves that
01:04 <philippeqc> never said that, but some of the best stuff are always long to start
01:04 <Luke-Jr> DTC+tValue also does
01:05 <philippeqc> #night
01:05 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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01:05 <Luke-Jr> the only real gain Python would give us is a compiled bytecode like I was planning for tCode
01:05 <Luke-Jr> which everyone insisted was unnecessary
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01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6011 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Clear rubber raycast cache after turns (duh).
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Clear edge smart pointers of rubber raycast cache after timestep is done.
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: in your example, running in a sandbox to "ensure security" is buying a bad insurance policy.  Server admins will *think* the scripts they're running are safe, and that even if they do dangerous things, the sandbox will protect them
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not compeltely disagreeing with you, though.
01:50 <[dlh]> I'm suggesting it as another layer of security on top of reading the script. We should do all we can to help stop malicious code from being executed. People make mistakes sometimes.
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01:56 <[dlh]> Hmm, 0.2.8 is really unstable for me now.
01:57 <Luke-Jr> O.o?
02:02 <[dlh]> ahh, it just crashed again
02:14 <Luke-Jr> we appear to only have 1 master server up?
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07:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 pound in USD
07:50 <armabot> 1 British pound = 1.8933 U.S. dollars
08:17 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
08:43 <guru3> 33 on sf today
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow
08:45 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: could you change the paypal button on the wiki to the support this project button?
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I just scored another client, don't know how much money he'll be worth but it looks ok
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I could.  :)  But now would be the time to point out that if it were to be changed in svn, armabot would update it
08:46 <guru3> Oo
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> the theme on the wiki is in svn, and when a commit message appears, armabot runs svn update on the wiki
08:47 <guru3> oky
08:49 <guru3> and we're aparently the #3 game on sf.net
08:49 <guru3> at least today
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're the #1 game on sf.net, they just don't know it yet
08:56 <guru3> that's the spirit
08:57 <guru3> now... how to get the one master server to ping the others...
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't it do it automatically?
09:02 <guru3> doesn't look like it
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. just start your local master server
09:02 <guru3> it doesn't look like i'm getting thru to master1-3 at all
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I dont' have to do anything special to make mine work, but it is one of the "official" master servers
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> really?  Does that mean mine is #4?
09:02 <guru3> yours is #2
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> I just restarted it!
09:03 <guru3> i do ping master2.armagetronad.net
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # /etc/init.d/armagetronad-master status
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> Checking for service armagetronad master: OK
09:03 <guru3> and it goes off into the never lands
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping master2.armagetronad.net
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> PING wiki.davefancella.com (63.246.177.233) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com (63.246.177.233): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.872 ms
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com (63.246.177.233): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.762 ms
09:04 <guru3> can you ping me?
09:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
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09:04 <guru3> after 25 hops pings to you drop off the end of the earth
09:04 <guru3> at 66.68.2.30
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping 66.68.2.30
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> PING 66.68.2.30 (66.68.2.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 66.68.2.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=8.45 ms
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 66.68.2.30: icmp_seq=2 ttl=254 time=6.83 ms
09:05 <guru3> ping electricpotential.net
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping electricpotential.net
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> PING electricpotential.net (81.231.230.95) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com (81.231.230.95): icmp_seq=1 ttl=38 time=177 ms
09:05 <guru3> oky
09:05 <guru3> what ports do you have open for the master?
09:05 <guru3> 4533
09:05 <guru3> anything else?
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 4533->4539 open
09:08 <guru3> anyway to check if my script is actually reaching your server?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I need a commandline option that means "source", and another one that means "sync"
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> sure, try it now
09:09 <guru3> just pinged
09:09 <guru3> from the script i mean
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, nothing appeared in big_brother
09:09 <guru3> not sure if it would
09:10 <guru3> as it's not the game
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try again
09:11 <guru3> just did
09:11 <guru3> like 5 times in a row fast
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:08] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <guru3> i guess something works
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <guru3> looks like something changed in the query protocol
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:40] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:40] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> normally it shows a login and stuff, but it's not for you
09:13 <guru3> from when i wrote it
09:13 <guru3> damnit
09:14 <guru3> i don't want to have to hack the master server protocol again
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:24] [1] Received login from 80.135.15.113:4536 via socket *.*.*.*:4533.
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:24] [1] New user: 1
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:26] [1] Updated server: 80.135.15.113:4536
09:14 <guru3> that'd be me
09:14 <guru3> so i guess that works
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you look at writing a little C++ program instead, that uses the query code directly?  Then you can have it output the servers to a file.
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> Add a second program that pings the servers themselves and outputs *that* toa  file.  Then your script just reads the files...
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> or one program that does it all, but having it as two programs means we could use the second to ping our own servers as a monitoring tool :)
09:16 <guru3> i tried that before
09:16 <guru3> and the query code within armagetron
09:16 <guru3> makes almost no sense
09:16 <guru3> (at least to me)
09:16 <Luke-Jr> FWIW, only master #1 works from here, it seems
09:19 <guru3> geh
09:19 <guru3> i get a totally different response from yours and zman's master server
09:19 <guru3> than iF's
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> so, I have two command line options.  One means "source" and the other means "sync".  Both need -s .  Got an alternative?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> um, iF's is probably an older version.  Mine's a fairly recent svn update, his is probably a release
09:20 <guru3> could you change source to fetch?
09:20 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: -. for source? =p
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, source usually means a local directory
09:20 <guru3> that meaning of source
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's a backup tool
09:20 <guru3> then use local
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> duh, heh.  ok, thanks :)
09:20 <Luke-Jr> lol
09:21 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, gnight
09:21 <guru3> gargh
09:21 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
09:21 <guru3> why is there no ebuild for ethereal
09:21 <Luke-Jr> ethereal no longer exists
09:21 <Luke-Jr> it's "wireshark" now
09:21 <guru3> that would explain it
09:21 <Luke-Jr> or smth like that
09:22 <guru3> thnx
09:22 <guru3> food now
09:22 <guru3> bbl
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, source could be remote too.  I'm not going to worry about it right now, though.
09:25 <guru3> back
09:25 <guru3> had a pastry
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09:44 <guru3> fixed it
09:45 <guru3> seems like the query packet changed some
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16:38 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma What're your feelings on novel excerpts for the site?
16:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
16:39 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma Also...I was noticing the low visibility of the login box...should that be moved up?  Perhaps between the quote box and the sitemap box?  Just a thought :)
16:39 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
16:39 <DrJoeTron> I think something bad happened to invader >.>
16:40 <GodTodd> what's invader? :)
16:41 <DrJoeTron> arma guy
16:41 <GodTodd> ah
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17:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6012 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed team reballancing, TEAMS_MAX and TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS are both honored.
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17:15 <ghableska> hi
17:15 <philippeqc> hi
17:16 <flea> hi
17:36 <DrJoeTron> so uh...guys. wanna go do somethin?
17:36 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:37 <DrJoeTron> i think tyler is free
17:37 <DrJoeTron> but uh, i uh think he's grounded
17:37 <DrJoeTron> zack is away on vacation for the next 2 weeks
17:39 <DrJoeTron> its like being in a room filled with bored teenagers
17:39 <DrJoeTron> :D
17:39 <DrJoeTron> everyone is here, yet there is nothing to talk about
17:40 <linuxlizzard> yep yep
17:40 <DrJoeTron> and this torrent is taking its time!
17:41 <DrJoeTron> wow alot of people use bitcomet
17:41 <DrJoeTron> then azureus, then utorrent
17:41 <DrJoeTron> i love utorrent so much
17:42 <DrJoeTron> so much better than azureus
17:42 <linuxlizzard> meh but azureus is made with java :P
17:43 <flea> ktorrent is nice
17:45 <flea> net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2 merged.
17:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6013 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Moved setting of end time to after outdated checkpoints get deleted; the new end time would be ignored otherwise in some cases.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6014 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (14 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5970 to 6012:
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6012 | z-man | 2006-08-07 17:04:47 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 1 line
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed team reballancing, TEAMS_MAX and TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS are both honored.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6011 | z-man | 2006-08-07 01:32:57 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
17:56 <guru3> meep
17:56 <guru3> we've passed revision 6000
17:57 <philippeqc> yes, z-man did it yesterday ;)
17:58 <guru3> oh vell
18:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe you'll be in time for number 7000 :p
18:00 <guru3> well
18:00 <guru3> i won't miss the forums 50000 for sure
18:01 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:02 <philippeqc> guys, if from a zZone receiving I wanted to create a sub-class, but I needed to determine that from data received from the network, how could I do that?
18:03 <philippeqc> in a less cryptic fashion: using the writeSync and ReadSync of a class, I want to make another class (no parental relation) 
18:04 <wrtlprnft> transfer an extra byte somewhere? that makes for 255 different subclasses
18:04 <philippeqc> and switch case from that 
18:05 <philippeqc> or make a map of possible class name, get a string, and do like you do for the cockpit (factory)
18:05 <philippeqc> ok, I was just curious if there was another way
18:05 <philippeqc> a smarter way
18:05 <philippeqc> as that one doesnt really fit with the current schema
18:06 <philippeqc> but I cant make that class a eNetGameObject
18:06 <wrtlprnft> I don't use factories in the cockpit...
18:06 <wrtlprnft> ask z-man, I don't do network code :P
18:06 <philippeqc> map<string, f_ptr> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> or map<char, f_ptr>
18:07 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I was going to that solution, but I wanted to bounce that idea off somebody before
18:07 <philippeqc> ok, no factory, its callbacks. sorry
18:07 <wrtlprnft> you probably don't wanna transfer strings over the network
18:07 <philippeqc> I'll have to anyway
18:07 <wrtlprnft> factories are supposed to be used as callbacks :P
18:08 <philippeqc> hopefull short strings
18:08 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.2.aamap.xml
18:08 <wrtlprnft> he uploaded it :)
18:09 <philippeqc> neat
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ed should upload his newer maps
18:09 <wrtlprnft> too
18:09 <philippeqc> i hope I didnt scare that other guy away with my stupid comment about 4 team balancing
18:09 <wrtlprnft> or maybe ask Luke-Jr to do a bulk upload
18:12 <wrtlprnft> or maybe Luke-Jr should just do a bulk upload since the license is "do with it what you want"
18:12 <wrtlprnft> and the resource browser would benefit from the additional maps
18:12 <philippeqc> i still havent looked how to send new dtd
18:12 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: just change the upload script to allow it for you :P
18:13 <philippeqc> thats the thing!
18:18 <DrJoeTron> linuxlizard but thats exactly the problem with azureus
18:19 <DrJoeTron> it has 2 more things opened and taking more resources
18:19 <DrJoeTron> you have java and the client it self running
18:19 <DrJoeTron> and utorrent is only 120kb :p
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18:54 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
18:56 <linuxlizzard> wwdc starts in three minutes if anybody here cares about apple
18:57 <DrJoeTron> if its about apple going out of business
18:57 <DrJoeTron> im totally watching
18:58 <linuxlizzard> haha
18:58 <linuxlizzard> its about apple and their latest ploys that we all know will fail misrably ;_
18:58 <linuxlizzard> latest news - "spontaneous crowd applause - false alarm"
18:59 <linuxlizzard> ;P
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19:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: allowing upload of DTDs would be considered abuse =p
19:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: since it's designed specifically for XML resources
19:13 <philippeqc> yeah, we dont want people to start to develop new idea! 
19:13 <Luke-Jr> unless you want to find a clean way to add non-XML support-- which isn't very possible given it's existing requirements
19:13 <Luke-Jr> eg, automatic filepath determination and such
19:13 <philippeqc> They go around and like, start to spread and share those ideas with each others, and improve on them
19:13 <philippeqc> that's why we have to close down dtd upload
19:13  * Luke-Jr ignores philippeqc's satire
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why, the path will be the author (the HTTP username) and the filename
19:14 <wrtlprnft> both are available
19:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the user's local filename should not affect the uploader
19:15 <Luke-Jr> and it doesn't account for categories at all
19:16 <wrtlprnft> who needs categories anyways?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> please just copy DTDs manually for now
19:16 <philippeqc> copy where?
19:16 <wrtlprnft> can we?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> iw permissions
19:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you *should* be able to use sudo -u armagetronad
19:17 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: in the repository
19:17 <wrtlprnft> so i can go and upload ed's maps?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> and regenerate the images?
19:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: erm, I presume ed would if he wanted them uploaded?
19:18 <philippeqc> I might have lost my account
19:18 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: IIRC, you didn't have one
19:18 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: want one?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: it's a pain
19:18 <philippeqc> well it seems that's the only way ;)
19:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what is?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> and they all have "License: do with it what you want" in it
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: for now, anyway
19:19 <wrtlprnft> so we can put them there
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I plan to setup a distributed mirroring system for it later
19:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: selecting all new maps in the browser and uploading them one by one
19:19 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: I'll post my public key
19:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: go ahead I guess
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ok
19:19 <philippeqc> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEAyXubir9JwHSBqtEXwYQUC8C3lYlRCM0eQ6KV0qAoXvVln9GSJEaZjOrEnzL3naDzb+IbvdudFR5fu1aLWTMfEB01WCQuU9EHrBr7cER/z6xEsMnVRpYdTQAGm6D01fHjHb0EYoB54HFZKII77aHTwq1b+YR/P5KbDBOG3EtTCn8= ph@black
19:20 <philippeqc> or
19:20 <philippeqc> ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIhYQoavTm+ILhsvHVLhEKllx30LJ7uhXIbbjKw4XH12VGSFYfPzRC1SMitDmVBP5AhQHtFeobm9RcYeKjUKrMa6lMT52yVEUV1S6lqVJL9QChBNvA+aFy6QXWxEJc0ozFvgbE+fEgLbVHSZNwZfJR7KACe/4Bfqzy0OlENx5x8pAAAAFQDzXA3XmjbG0fuekxItKBK6x0UeiQAAAIBJ3siOAm20DBSxC7dWtjE512756dWgWZlzsEyQrusDOr9ZXNJnFj/Pm+oB5PHMe5LIgtjA9h6MUG/av3XjfmlOfl1TXi/KE71+MOxa8n8j9IQ+vtN9RpBYlQBkJyMIRikjPcYEz+nmwVRv8H/Yo3WfKh8ldY0f1xzA1///zkDKqgAAAIA4JchKZluSnk5Op+
19:20 <philippeqc> xJghCmKOl7XCak8XKWhTYjPW31shAsMGFI4XNch/VqYYl8Huh/TgWgxjLmzBH48pIf64xYKuNWq1OIMajq0G5RJyPEL4RFSrd6ZHkvkgr/roOkJK4IhtkfNxgZCcJVXCXfOwYTOVe+pxjsPRHf1W2ykJSQ+A== ph@black
19:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:20 <wrtlprnft> i know the second one :p
19:21 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ok, should work
19:21 <philippeqc> ip and procedure?
19:21 <Luke-Jr> ssh hachi.dashjr.org
19:22 <Luke-Jr> sudo -u armagetronad cp /tmp/somefile.dtd /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/somefile.dtd
19:22 <Luke-Jr> you can figure out how to get somefile.dtd there
19:22 <Luke-Jr> maybe wget or scp
19:23 <Luke-Jr> tho if wget, verify a MD5
19:23 <Luke-Jr> brb
19:24 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: is there a script for thumbnail regeneration?
19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6015 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gMenus.cpp: Don't react on fullscreen toggle in debug mode when playing back.
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no
19:27 <wrtlprnft> but i do have write access to the thumbnails?
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I just did some kind of loop in bash
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: armagetronad does\
19:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: do be careful not to touch modification dates on existing resources, btw
19:27 <wrtlprnft> sudo -u armagetronad bash :P
19:27 <wrtlprnft> I won't
19:27 <Luke-Jr> sudo has a -s
19:29 <wrtlprnft> bbiab
19:32 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: thanks
19:33 <Luke-Jr> np
19:37  * spidey yawns
19:40 <philippeqc> sudo -u armagetronad mv map-0.3.1-a.dtd /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/
19:40 <philippeqc> mv: cannot move `map-0.3.1-a.dtd' to `/var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/map-0.3.1-a.dtd': Permission denied
19:41 <spidey> move it as root?
19:41 <philippeqc> not my machine, and always avoid using root
19:42 <spidey> link ir?
19:42 <spidey> it
19:42 <philippeqc> I want to move it
19:43 <philippeqc> ha! probably I could copy it
19:43 <philippeqc> yep
19:43 <spidey> sudo -u armagetronad
19:43 <spidey> why that?
19:43 <philippeqc> armagetronad didnt have rights to remove the file
19:43 <philippeqc> sudo = super user does < command >
19:44 <spidey> yea i know
19:44 <spidey> but why use sudo to move a file?
19:44 <philippeqc> -u : as user
19:44 <philippeqc> cause I dont have permissions myself
19:44 <spidey> ah
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6016 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gWall.cpp): Update last turn position and wall begin distance on cycle sync.
19:54 <guru3> it apears we've been approved for hosted email
19:55 <philippeqc> sf or gmail?
19:55 <guru3> gmail
19:55 <philippeqc> hurray, my 3rd gmail address
19:55 <guru3> not @gmail tho
19:56 <guru3> @armagetronad.net
19:56 <philippeqc> nice
19:56 <philippeqc> now I'm a little elite, that makes me l3et, rather than a full l33t
19:56 <guru3> been happy
19:56 <guru3> *bee
19:57 <philippeqc> be
19:57 <guru3> that too
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6017 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gMenus.cpp gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6012 to 6016:
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6016 | z-man | 2006-08-07 19:55:32 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  Update last turn position and wall begin distance on cycle sync.
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6015 | z-man | 2006-08-07 19:27:30 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
20:06 <wrtlprnft> yes n | sudo -u armagetronad cp -ri resource/ed/* /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/ed <-- that 
20:06 <wrtlprnft> approved?
20:07 <philippeqc> where are they right now?
20:07 <philippeqc> I'd say yes
20:09 <wrtlprnft> i love the yes no construct :p
20:09 <philippeqc> yes
20:10 <wrtlprnft> yes yes
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking still?
20:23 <wrtlprnft> done. those are new: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/121007
20:23 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
20:28 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: now would be a good time to make the first "release" of all the maps in an archive for convenient download
20:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:29 <wrtlprnft> I'd just wget -r them all :P
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> that will irritate Luke-Jr ...
20:30 <philippeqc> wget or the big zip?
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> the big zip
20:30 <wrtlprnft> zip x_x
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> hey, is'nt that a movie?  The Big Zip?
20:30 <philippeqc> he can still host it
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> you guys do what you want, I'm just heckling.  :)
20:30 <philippeqc> ;)
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> I feel so much more relaxed after I re-registered for my classes.  I got worried when I saw the big lines at admissions today that my classes might fill up before I got home to register online
20:31 <wrtlprnft> oh, i added xevi's cockpits too, he wanted me to do that and not contact Luke-Jr for some reason
20:31 <wrtlprnft> some guy he doesn't know, needing to make an account on some forums he doesn't know
20:31 <philippeqc> lol
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> xevi has a forum account....
20:32 <wrtlprnft> he does?
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my impression was always that the resource repository would be open to the community and allow anonymous uploads.
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I had a wrong impression....
20:32 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's got the avatar with the bee buzzing around his head
20:32 <wrtlprnft> if he has one he didn't post with it
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah he did.  :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> a search for posts by xevi doesn't return anything
20:33 <wrtlprnft> ah, xevic
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's because he's registered with a dfiferent name
20:33 <wrtlprnft> that's a lightcycle x_X
20:33  * Lucifer_arma always searches *name*, but for some reason that search doesn't return any results
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's a light cycle?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:33 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6601&highlight=
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh, so it is :)
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> if he made it leave a wall behind it, he'd look like an angel
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> Analist - Programmer  <--- damn, and I thought I was anal, but he's got it in his job description!
20:36 <philippeqc> ;)
20:37 <wrtlprnft> btw, if someone wants to make better screenshots for the cockpit list on the wiki, feel free to do so
20:37 <wrtlprnft> mine suck, those cockpits deserve something better
20:40 <spidey> see
20:40 <spidey> this thing had to wait till it pissed me off >.<
20:40 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/forumtest.php
20:40 <spidey> tell me i can't use css to posistion a iframe :|
20:41 <philippeqc> my gf would kill you if she new you where using iframe
20:41 <spidey> well phpbb2 can't be included without a hack
20:41 <spidey> and i'm lazy
20:41 <philippeqc> if I was you, I'd be more worried for my life
20:42 <spidey> haha
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> rip out everything above and including <body> and below and including </body>, then use require_once() to include it?
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, then you have to rewrite all the links
20:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma no
20:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i tried that
20:42 <spidey> phpbb2 bitches about it
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> try harder
20:42 <spidey> like i said,it can't be included without a hack
20:43 <spidey> that includes using require_once()
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> yes, but you didn't specify good hack or bad hack.  What you've said is you tried a "good hack", failed, and used a "bad hack"
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, you deserve whatever philippeqc's girlfriend does to you
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it's not nice!
20:43 <spidey> "s
20:43 <spidey> :s
20:43 <spidey> well
20:43 <philippeqc> dont worry, she's quite creative
20:44 <spidey> atleast i'm not using tables :p
20:44 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: try now
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> long as she's on this side of nice :)
20:44 <philippeqc> try now what?
20:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: don't you dare do that =p
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to do anyway?
20:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what shounldnt wrt dare to do? wget or the archive?
20:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the repo isn't a forum
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> you just want a larger website with forums embedded in it?
20:45 <spidey> kinda
20:45 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:45 <spidey> i got it though
20:45 <spidey> it's perfect now ;x
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> still got an iframe?
20:45 <spidey> now to put the css in style.css
20:45 <spidey> yes
20:46 <Luke-Jr> spidey: please tell Lucifer what I said
20:46 <spidey> he might ignore me then
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: copy resources into the repo that are already there
20:46 <spidey> :D
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I have the archive already
20:46 <spidey> tell him what?
20:46 <Luke-Jr> spidey: Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:46 <spidey> [13:47] ( Luke-Jr ) +spidey: Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: try cping into AATeam
20:46 <wrtlprnft> get some mechanism to check for forum accounts
20:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: forum accounts aren't under names, often
20:47 <Luke-Jr> usually they have clan tags
20:47 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr:  it was the move that I couldnt do, as armagetronad needed permission to erase my copy
20:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: oh
20:47 <Luke-Jr> so cp it ;)
20:47 <philippeqc> it works with cp
20:47 <philippeqc> yes
20:47 <Luke-Jr> good
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/phpbb2drupal
20:48 <Luke-Jr> I have tbz2 of the repository already as backups-- could easily be hosted somewhere
20:48 <wrtlprnft> does that convert attachments?
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> it says it does
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's for spidey, I'm sure he's not shy about changing all the links
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> and since drupal will let you input raw php if you have permission, he can put anything else he wants and gets a full-featured CMS that's good enough for The Onion
20:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i've tried drupal
20:49 <spidey> didn't like it
20:49 <spidey> if i wanted a cms i'd use php-nuke
20:49 <spidey> and i don't like that either
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> "I didn't like the beamer, I prefer the volkswagon"
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> I can respect that.  Fahrfergnugen's are nice cars.
20:50 <spidey> i prefer a lamberguini diablo
20:50 <spidey> ;x
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> that would be slashdot
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> *slashcode
20:50 <spidey> lol
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> just like the lambourghini, it looks really good and fast on the outside, but has nothing but turd under the hood
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> s/turd/perl
20:51 <spidey> um
20:51 <spidey> lambourghini can hit 200+
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> so can slashcode, but have you ever tried to read the code?
20:53 <spidey> what's slashcode?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> um, the code that runs slashdot?
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> the perl program that phpNuke tries so hard to copy :)
20:54 <spidey> what's slashdot?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> that makes 6 cockpits now :)
20:55 <philippeqc> spidey: slashdot.org
20:55 <philippeqc> news for nerds, stuff that matters
20:55 <wrtlprnft> without spidey's, as he refuses to get it into the repository it seems
20:55 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ..........
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <spidey> argh
20:55 <Luke-Jr> how the heck are you ignorant of slashdot?
20:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey doesn't know ./?!
20:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr gimme a account for the repository so wrtl will shut up >.<
20:55 <wrtlprnft> err, /.
20:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
20:56 <Luke-Jr> j/k =p
20:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft there you go!
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ?!
20:56 <spidey> [13:57] ( Luke-Jr ) +spidey: no
20:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: what's your author name?
20:56 <spidey> now lemme lone :p
20:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, spidey
20:57 <Luke-Jr> ... why do I bother to ask? =p
20:57 <spidey> beats me ;x
20:57 <wrtlprnft> now i'm confused
20:57 <Luke-Jr> spidey: that's your password
20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: of?
20:58 <spidey> i'll never remember that :D
20:58 <Luke-Jr> copy it to a text file
20:58 <Luke-Jr> or make me change it at gunpoint
20:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why you said no :P
20:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: cuz it's the last thing he expected
20:59  * spidey points a sharp object at Luke-Jr and says change it
20:59 <Luke-Jr> spidey: to?
20:59 <spidey> the pass my webserver uses
20:59 <Luke-Jr> howw should I know wtf that is
21:00 <philippeqc> spidey: log once, then do the command "passwd"
21:00 <spidey> ok
21:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that won't work for a htpasswd account
21:00 <wrtlprnft> change it to "fuckmicrosoft". That's the pass some idiot i know used until i found out about it
21:00 <spidey> the password that i use on lightfoot and hachi
21:00 <philippeqc> htpasswd  = ?
21:00 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ... don't know those either
21:00 <spidey> lol
21:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: Apache password file
21:00 <philippeqc> o
21:01 <spidey> this means i'ma have to fix all 4 of my cockpits
21:01 <spidey> >.<
21:01 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:01 <spidey> or
21:01 <spidey> well ya
21:01 <spidey> :(
21:01 <wrtlprnft> give them reasonable names and the right author
21:01 <spidey> i'll just upload the main one
21:01 <wrtlprnft> nah, upload all :P
21:01 <spidey> k
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that takes like 2 minutes
21:02 <wrtlprnft> if you're slow
21:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: is there a way to extract the string used for the parsing from a tValue::Expr ?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: not yet, but it would be possible, I'd have to store it
21:03 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr drops the string
21:03 <philippeqc> o
21:03 <philippeqc> I'd need it for network creation of object
21:03 <wrtlprnft> kk
21:04 <philippeqc> well, I dont know if my idea is good, but it seems reasonable to send the parsed string to the client
21:04 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how where you planning to send the information to the client about your parsed tvalue?
21:05 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: normal network object syncs
21:05 <philippeqc> you have pointers there! ;)
21:05 <Luke-Jr> 6so?
21:05 <philippeqc> that wont "normal network object sync" that well
21:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6018 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): Leakfix: better clearing of reference loop (and other evils) causing temporary smart pointers.
21:05 <spidey> gimme a name for the cockpit file,or it stays at "test4"
21:05 <spidey> :D
21:06 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: not yet
21:06 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that part depends on DCT
21:06 <philippeqc> I'm already at that part with Expr
21:06 <Luke-Jr> that's nice
21:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: uh, i'm not bad at finding names
21:07 <Luke-Jr> mathexpr doesn't fit our requirements, remember
21:07 <wrtlprnft> err
21:07 <wrtlprnft> i'm not good at
21:07 <wrtlprnft> it
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> call it test5
21:07 <spidey> Filepath identified as: spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
21:07 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:07 <spidey> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
21:07 <spidey> ???
21:07  * Luke-Jr blames wrtlprnft 
21:07 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr broke it
21:07  * Luke-Jr blames philippeqc  instead
21:07 <spidey> lol
21:07 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do anything
21:07 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what requirements
21:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: it works now
21:07 <Luke-Jr> reload
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:08 <wrtlprnft> !
21:08 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the most obvious being multi-argument functions
21:08 <spidey> :D
21:08 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: it is a tValue, and I want to start working on animating zones, so I'm making a hack to be revisited at a later time.
21:08 <Luke-Jr> i see
21:08 <Luke-Jr> animating how? O.o
21:08 <philippeqc> the good way ;)
21:08 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 3 to go and i'll shut up :P
21:08 <philippeqc> x, y and similar
21:08 <Luke-Jr> z?
21:09 <philippeqc> round and round they go ;9
21:09 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: the best way would be to modify tValue for that
21:09 <wrtlprnft> to allow tValue to be synced
21:09 <philippeqc> ;)
21:09 <philippeqc> yes
21:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that will all be easier with DCT tho
21:09 <philippeqc> I didnt dare
21:09 <wrtlprnft> ie it would take care of copying itself correctly
21:10 <philippeqc> I've made Expr::vars and Expr::functions as static.
21:10 <wrtlprnft> the basic types like String, Float etc you could just copy over
21:10 <spidey> ohhh
21:10 <spidey> i messed up
21:10 <spidey> Luke-Jr
21:10 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:10 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how to differ between a string, a callback and a "parsable equation"
21:10 <spidey> i uploaded it as .aamap
21:10 <spidey> not .aacockpit
21:10 <spidey> :(
21:10 <Luke-Jr> I don't care
21:10 <Luke-Jr> nor does it
21:10 <Luke-Jr> <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:10 <spidey> can i delete it?
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5245950.stm
21:11 <Luke-Jr> no
21:11 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
21:11 <spidey> abyss-0.0.1.aamap.xml
21:11 <spidey> that's what it is local
21:11 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't care what it is local
21:11 <spidey> O.o
21:11 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: in utah lol
21:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/spidey/pink-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ironically enough :)
21:12 <Luke-Jr> PINK!
21:12 <spidey> it's cool!
21:12 <spidey> it's one i made for lizz
21:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: if you wanna make me totally happy give me nice screenshots of them :P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i'll make boring ones if you don't :P
21:12 <spidey> >.<
21:12 <spidey> hold on
21:12 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:13  * Luke-Jr watches wrtlprnft pile on tasks
21:13 <wrtlprnft> after that, learn chinese
21:13 <philippeqc> neat!
21:13 <wrtlprnft> then write an automated preview script.
21:14 <wrtlprnft> then... I'll wait till you finish those tasks until i assign new ones
21:17 <spidey> lol
21:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, this is the abyss one
21:17 <spidey> http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9314/abyssyj2.png
21:18 <spidey> this is the pink one
21:18 <spidey> http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3196/pinkonevm1.png
21:19 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
21:20 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=423 <-- boring screenshots I would have used
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: i'm here now
21:21 <spidey> now i go back to that server for a hour
21:21 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: could you correct something in svn?
21:22 <spidey> then do 32 pages of science
21:22 <philippeqc> in my private space, I lack a project for the junk currently there
21:23 <philippeqc> could it be moved into a directory "zone-v2-01-start"
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was away a sec
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> um, actually GodTodd, ironically I was thinking about novels
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> I figure there are 3 options:
21:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: do you have capacity to fix svn ?
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> 1) you self-publish with cafepress anything you haven't got a buyer for otherwise (doing so will mean you won't get a buyer until you get your own)
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: arma svn?
21:24 <philippeqc> yes, my private space
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> 2) you self-publish on the website and make it free for all and hope to make it back with advertising and merchandise and stuff
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> 3) I install this nice paypal module and people have to become site members.  In this scenario, we'd show excerpts and members get the full text
21:25 <GodTodd> i was kinda thinking the third scenario
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> 4) you put whatever you want and do whatever you want.  :) 
21:25 <GodTodd> lowest cost with at least some (hopefully) retur
21:25 <GodTodd> return*
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: what's wrong with it?
21:26 <philippeqc> can I move the content of private/philippeqc to private/philippeqc/someDir/
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, GodTodd, I figure we can cross 1) off the list as being fairly worthless.  You might keep it as an option anyway for folks that want the paper option, but I'd expect folks to go with something web-based
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: yes, use svn mv
21:27 <philippeqc> ok, then I can fix it myself
21:27 <philippeqc> ty
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> np :)
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> also, GodTodd, you might consider eBook formats.  There is a paid download module kicking around too, and I already set the site up to use private download space, i.e. you can't download a file just by guessing it's url
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I like 3) because it gives folks a reason to join the site.  What I don't like about it is that there will be site content locked up behind a cash register
21:28 <wrtlprnft> ok, spidey's cockpits are on the wiki
21:28 <wrtlprnft> which brings the count to 8
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> however, if we did 2), we couldn't later switch to 3).  But if we did 3), we could later switch to 2) reasonably if 3) didn't work out :)
21:29 <GodTodd> that's what i was figuring
21:29 <GodTodd> and eBook formats....like pdf or what?
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I read palm DOC files on my clie.  :)
21:30 <GodTodd> is there a program that will convert to different cross-platform files?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few open source tools for making various conversions.  If we work it right, we might be able to offer downloadable files in the user's preferred format, and there's probably real value for that
21:31 <GodTodd> that's what i was hoping for :)
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6019 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h):
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6016 to 6018:
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6018 | z-man | 2006-08-07 21:06:53 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 1 line
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  Leakfix: better clearing of reference loop (and other evils) causing temporary smart pointers.
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> so a site member could be able to make free downloads of this stuff (wel,l free after they paid for their membership) or read it directly on the site
21:31 <GodTodd> exactly
21:31 <GodTodd> choice is the key
21:31 <GodTodd> the more choice a user has the more value they see
21:33 <GodTodd> (Hence the major success of SprawlMart beyond lower prices)
21:33 <GodTodd> ;)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to suggest a couple more things :)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> you write a few short stories, longer stories (i.e. multipart short stories), and maybe even a novella, and post those for all to read
21:33 <GodTodd> yeah i was considering that too
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> when you have 3 completed novels, post one of them for free, then try to maintain a 3:2 ratio
21:33 <GodTodd> got a couple kicking around
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, 3:1 ratio of paid:free
21:34 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: svn mv
21:34 <philippeqc> grrr
21:34 <Luke-Jr> GRRR
21:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc:  ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ?
21:35 <philippeqc> I'm trying to move with svn mv https://sv.../private/philippeqc https://sv.../private/philippeqc/someDir
21:35 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:35 <philippeqc> svn: Cannot move URL 'https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc' into itself
21:35 <wrtlprnft> need to move it somewhere else
21:35 <wrtlprnft> first
21:35 <philippeqc> yeah, I was coming there 
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6020 /private/philippeqc/zone-v2-01-start/: ph dir
21:35 <philippeqc> didnt want to add useless version around
21:36 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6021 /private/ (philippeqc/ tmp/): Moved to its own directory
21:36 <wrtlprnft> errm
21:36 <wrtlprnft> are we conflicting now?!
21:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:37 <wrtlprnft> i though Luke-Jr fixed it in one revision
21:37 <Luke-Jr> two ways to do it I guess
21:37 <Luke-Jr> I did half a fix =p
21:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6022 /private/tmp/zone-v2-01-start/: undo that
21:38 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: if you want me to do it, let me know =p
21:38 <wrtlprnft> NOW we're adding useless revisions :P
21:38 <philippeqc> how to make a directory now
21:38 <philippeqc> grr, I should really go to bed
21:39 <wrtlprnft> mkdir name
21:39 <philippeqc> :(
21:39 <wrtlprnft> svn add name
21:39 <philippeqc> ok
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6023 /private/philippeqc/: like this
21:39 <wrtlprnft> errm
21:39 <wrtlprnft> i love these commits that only make sense if you read them in this channel...
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6024 /private/ (philippeqc/zone-v2-01-start/ tmp/): and this
21:39 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:39 <Luke-Jr> all done
21:40 <philippeqc> o ty luke, now you conflicted with my operation
21:40 <Luke-Jr> yw
21:40 <Luke-Jr> svn ls https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc
21:40 <philippeqc> yeah, saw its corrected
21:40 <philippeqc> ty
21:41 <Luke-Jr> np
21:41 <philippeqc> ok, now how to I make a new branch from trunk without grabbing all but armagetronad?
21:41 <philippeqc> svn copy trunk/armagetronad private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shapes
21:41 <GodTodd> w00t....conor gots him some teeth :D
21:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf?
21:42 <Luke-Jr> please, always copy all
21:42 <Luke-Jr> don't just copy armagetronad
21:42 <Luke-Jr> it is better that way
21:42 <wrtlprnft> who needs all that winlibs stuff anyways
21:42 <wrtlprnft> joda is away, z-man doesn't care to fix it...
21:42 <Luke-Jr> it is cheaper to copy all
21:42 <wrtlprnft> so noone's gonna change anything anyways
21:43 <Luke-Jr> that to copy selectively
21:43 <Luke-Jr> than*
21:43 <Luke-Jr> and makes merging simpler
21:43 <philippeqc> does it really?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> svn copy https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/ https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft/all
21:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: lol
21:44 <philippeqc> ok, I'll do that
21:44 <wrtlprnft> if i'm merging it's easier to just merge the armagetronad module
21:44 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: a copy is represented in svn as a copy
21:44 <Luke-Jr> a single copy
21:44 <wrtlprnft> since i usually don't have checkouts of anything but armagetronad/
21:44 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't need to recurse and count files or anything
21:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: branching shouldn't be done w/ WC anyway
21:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> you need a checkout of your target, right?
21:47 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6025 / (armagetronad/trunk/ private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape/): Zone have a new mecanism for their shapes
21:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no
21:48 <Luke-Jr> svn cp https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/{trunk,branches/foo}
21:48 <Luke-Jr> tada
21:48 <philippeqc> darn should have done it locally to commit my changes
21:50 <philippeqc> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape'
21:50 <philippeqc> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape': could not connect to server (https://svn.sourceforget.net)
21:51 <philippeqc> darn sf!
21:52 <Luke-Jr> O.o
21:52 <Luke-Jr> svn switch?
21:53 <philippeqc> lol
21:53 <philippeqc> I killed trunk
21:53 <philippeqc> I moved it to my own private space!!!!
21:54 <philippeqc> LOL
21:54  * Luke-Jr kills philippeqc 
21:55 <philippeqc> All your trunk are belong to me!
21:55 <Luke-Jr> oh god you did
21:55 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6026 / (armagetronad/trunk/ private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape/): Zone have a new mecanism for their shapes
21:55 <philippeqc> sorry forgot to change the message
21:55 <Luke-Jr> you just broke everyone's trunk checkout
21:56 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:56 <philippeqc> nope
21:56 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
21:56 <philippeqc> mine is fine here
21:56 <[dlh]> you deleted your private workspace, though.
21:56 <philippeqc> it was not created
21:56 <philippeqc> I didnt want to branch trunk from my private space
21:56 <philippeqc> ;)
21:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: z-man said what i did was right and i'm gonna trust him
21:58 <philippeqc> what if I branched in /aa/aa/branches ?
21:59 <philippeqc> what I'm doing isnt really "private", it just off trunk
21:59 <philippeqc> as long as it breaks more than it fix
22:00 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what do you think about that?
22:01 <philippeqc> to avoid new mistake:
22:02 <philippeqc> -- from my local copy of trunk with my local change :
22:02 <philippeqc> a)svn copy trunk branches/zone-v2-02-shape
22:02 <philippeqc> b)svn commit -m "Now creating a branche to experiment with shapes"
22:02 <philippeqc> would that create the new branche with my local changes in it?
22:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft Luke-Jr Lucifer_arma ? ^^^
22:06 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6027 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/ (14 files in 7 dirs): Now creating a branche to experiment with shapes
22:06 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try it :P
22:07 <wrtlprnft> if it's the trunk without your changes merge them
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6028 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zShape.cpp zShape.hpp): forgot the escential files
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: yes
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe
22:09 <philippeqc> well it seems everything went fine
22:09 <philippeqc> I'll make a "maps" section in my private space
22:09 <philippeqc> and put a map that makes the zones move in circle
22:09 <philippeqc> and let you try it up
22:10 <philippeqc> oups, no, you wont be able to, it wont compile
22:10 <philippeqc> disable all the network code if you want to (in zShape.cpp)
22:10 <philippeqc> its not used
22:10 <philippeqc> for local play
22:14 <wrtlprnft> I'll go to bed soon
22:14 <wrtlprnft> and I won't be there tomorrow :(
22:14 <wrtlprnft> *here
22:15 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6029 /private/philippeqc/maps/ (. map-0.3.1-a.dtd quadFortress.aamap.xml): simple map to see the zone move
22:15 <philippeqc> back to work 2morrow
22:15 <philippeqc> cya
22:15 <philippeqc> #night
22:15 <wrtlprnft> cya
22:15 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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22:18 <wrtlprnft>   113      <Point x="100+50*cos(time()*3.14*2/15)"
22:18 <wrtlprnft>   114             y="100+50*sin(time()*3.14*2/15)"/>
22:18 <wrtlprnft> that works, passing no arg to time()?
22:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf did z-man say was right?
22:26 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why would time() need an arg?
22:26 <wrtlprnft> it surprises me that it works without an arg
22:26 <wrtlprnft> as mathexpr by itself only handles functions with one arg
22:27 <Luke-Jr> maybe ph hacked it
22:27 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
22:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80411#80411
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and I used svn merge for that
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22:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: there are plenty of ways to merge that will result in the correct output
22:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: however, branching and merging the full trunk-level data is most generic and works for all branching
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22:46 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:46 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:25 <Lucifer_arma> why is it so hard to apply a stupid patch?
23:33 <GodTodd> what kind of patch?
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's the patch that updates the paypal_subscription module to drupal 4.7
23:35 <GodTodd> ah

Log from 2006-08-08:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 08 2006
00:04 <GodTodd> anyone happen to know if jre 5.0 updates 2,6 and 7 are all needed or do i just need to keep the latest one?
00:04 <GodTodd> i know i know stupid windows question 
00:06 <spidey> hmm
00:08 <spidey> java?
00:10 <GodTodd> yeah the runtime environment
00:11 <GodTodd> cuz the sdk i just have update 7
00:12 <GodTodd> so i would assume it would be the same for the RE
00:12 <GodTodd> but then i've assumed on windows before...;)
00:12 <GodTodd> ;)*
00:12 <GodTodd> ;) *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)  *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)   *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)    *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)     *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)      *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)     *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)    *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)   *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)  *
00:15  * spidey stabs Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)*
00:15  * spidey kicks Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;(x
00:15  * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma>  /ignore spidey
00:15 <spidey> lol
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> you broke up my animation :(
00:16 <spidey> animation?
00:16 <spidey> i didn't see it moving :p
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> that's because you have no imagination
00:17  * Lucifer_arma hands spidey some imagination
00:17 <spidey> it's virtual
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> use your imagination!
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> pure virtual?  As in you don't have any, but your kids will?
00:17 <spidey> it's wrtlprnft in a bakini
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> *bikini
00:17 <spidey> #check bakini
00:17 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "bakini": baking, bikini, backing, barking, biking, Bakunin, Bacon, bacon, bani, akin, bakings, balking, banking, basking, bikinis, braking, and baling.
00:18 <spidey> >.<
00:18 <Lucifer_arma>  /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma>  /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> see?  it's an animation!
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> loving that thing, eh?
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else are you gonna do when you find out the drupal module you've been reading code for so you can figure out how to import from mediawiki to drupal without irritating anybody DOESN'T FUCKING WORK?
00:19 <spidey> LOL
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think my time is better wasted finding out the patch for the paypal_subscription module doesn't work
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> yep, definitely better wasted that way
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> sorry GodTodd , looks like the damn paypal subscription thing doesn't work
00:22  * Lucifer_arma goes to look for a downloadable products module
00:24 <GodTodd> hrmm
00:24 <GodTodd> that sucks
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> look on the bright side, though.  I can make cool irc animations!
00:28 <guru3> email should be active soon x)
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I installed the ecommerce module, but I haven't the foggiest how to use it
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll release an EP printed and burned here at home and see how that does, and learn how to use the damn ecommerce module
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> any, GodTodd, try creating a File Download product using create content from the admin pages
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> see if you can make any sense out of it.  The path for it is the same as the path for regular file attachments, so theoretically you can upload the file with the regular uploader.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn I must be sleepy, leaving off whole syllab from words.
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that doesn't actually work, then I"ll have to put up an ftp server or make you a shell account or something
00:40 <GodTodd> hmmm....file download should be a choice in create content?
00:41 <GodTodd> or do like story and go from there?
00:49 <GodTodd> nvm...working on a test
00:53 <GodTodd> hrmm...how long should it take to upload an .odt?
00:57 <spidey> #g 69 euros in usd
00:58 <armabot> 69 Euros = 88.4373 U.S. dollars
00:58 <spidey> bah
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> should be pretty quick
01:01 <GodTodd> and the little barber pole thing will stop when it's done, right?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 euro in USD
01:01 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.2817 U.S. dollars
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> um, I don't know, GodTodd.  The page will reload though.
01:01 <GodTodd> hrmmm
01:02 <GodTodd> let me try it again
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it in the right location
01:02 <GodTodd> bah...no wonder The selected file Who's to blame.odt can not be attached to this post, because it is only possible to attach files with the following extensions: jpg jpeg gif png txt html doc xls pdf ppt pps gz.
01:02 <GodTodd> can't do an OO doc
01:02 <GodTodd> heh
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> powerpoint?  but not odt???
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
01:02 <GodTodd> yep
01:05 <spidey> #g 39 euros in usd
01:05 <armabot> 39 Euros = 49.9863 U.S. dollars
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try again
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> should be able to put that up there, but no ppt doc or xls :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I changed the default wiki filter to be the mediawiki one, watch for it!  :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> mediawiki makes more sense than phpWiki, imo.
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 pound in USD
01:07 <armabot> 1 British pound = 1.8933 U.S. dollars
01:08 <GodTodd> k...check it
01:09 <spidey> #g $29.95+$69
01:09 <armabot> (US$ 29.95) + (US$ 69) = 98.95 U.S. dollars
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's there
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I, of course, can download it, heh
01:10 <GodTodd> yep
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> soooooo, using the regular upload mechanism is going to make the file available for download
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> which is reasonable :)
01:13 <GodTodd> yeah..that works :)
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> where's the add to cart button?
01:16 <GodTodd> ?
01:18 <GodTodd> is there supposed to be one?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> how do you buy it?
01:18 <spidey> lmao
01:19 <spidey> don't you have to have the cart module?
01:20 <spidey> something like
01:20 <spidey> cubecart
01:20 <GodTodd> well it would make sense to have one :)
01:21 <spidey> here
01:21 <spidey> http://oscommerce.com/
01:21 <GodTodd> also...if you just click on 'products' the list is blank
01:21 <GodTodd> dunno if that's a bug or feature....i'm a windoze user after all ;)
01:21 <spidey> it's even gnu
01:21 <spidey> so luci should be happy
01:21 <spidey> :p
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> oscommerce is the suck-ass
01:22 <spidey> http://www.zen-cart.com/
01:23 <GodTodd> is this what you're using? http://drupal.org/project/ecommerce
01:27 <GodTodd> cuz...that sounds pretty inclusive....
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> there we go
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I"m using
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> you need to open the > Products section of the node and select the product type.  It was set to "not a product".  :)
01:28 <GodTodd> hrmm?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> go to edit the node, there's a product section, Product, with some choices in there.
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta go work on dinner, bbiab
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm i don't have that option :P
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06:39 <Lucifer_arma> lee will probably trim the living ass out of it and I'll hate him for it, but they only get a month on it.  Then I can post it on my own site unedited.  :)
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06:40 <GodTodd> and i definitely want to let teasers out on any books i post because you never know when/if an agent or publishing house lackey will stumble on it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the catch is, after you publish it here, a publishing house doesn't want it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> you might do a little googling on the subject before getting too happy about it to see exactly what it'll do for you
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, T2 article sent, now I have closure.  I can proceed with Linux in a car.  :)
06:45 <GodTodd> right...but you figure that most of the beginning novels for authors don't go anywhere anyway
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means I have to create linux in a car first.
06:46 <GodTodd> lol
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> until after they die, that is.  :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing.  If newsforge doesn't want to buy my linux in a car articles (which I already queried them so I'm obligated to give it to them first), I put them on the site
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> if I can put them on the site, we'll get thousands of hits after I submit links to a few strategic places, and the traffic from that will stay with us for awhile.
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, let's wait and see if newsforge buys them after I write the first one.
06:49 <GodTodd> http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=960
06:49 <GodTodd> granted...he's a well established writer....but the market is there
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> yes and yes
06:52 <GodTodd> not to mention the obvious example of the baen library :)
06:53 <GodTodd> where eric flint has noticed steadily climbing sales since opening his library there
06:53  * Lucifer_arma gets a guilty look on his face
06:53  * Lucifer_arma has spent a pretty penny over there :)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> finally broke down and bought the rest of the Belisarius series :)
06:54 <GodTodd> The method works, says Eric, because it is just like a traditional library: it encourages readers to explore new authors before asking them to pay.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, there's a man who knows what's in store for writers
06:54 <GodTodd> yep
06:54 <GodTodd> that's why i see it as an opportunity :)
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and why we still need publishers in a world where anybody can publish anytime
06:55 <GodTodd> i think ebooks are going to diminish the importance of the big houses
06:55 <GodTodd> they'll still be there, sure, but not as big
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> absolutely.  The focus is shifting even now to quality writing and lots of it
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> the big houses are just like the big record companies and moviemakers and stuff
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> fat, lazy, and don't want to waste their time making good stuff when they know they can sell the crap they've got
06:56 <GodTodd> exhibit A: romance novels
06:56 <GodTodd> :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well they're going to be pretty lean by the time this is all over, assuming there's anything left of them.  :)
06:56 <GodTodd> just look at hollywood anymore...i dare you to find 5 original ideas
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I actually tried to read a romance novel.  My kids bought it for me because it had a horse on it, and I felt duty-bound to read it.
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd find the 5 original ideas, but they're buried in classic literature
06:57 <GodTodd> that have been put out in the last year?
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> if it had been put out in the last year, it wouldn't be classic!
06:57 <GodTodd> exactly
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:58 <GodTodd> they're making sequels to movies that shouldn't have had a first ;)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you mean like Toy Story 3?
06:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:59 <GodTodd> yeah
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I'm a little behind with movies.  That's to be expected, I've been boycotting the MPAA for a few years now.
06:59 <GodTodd> or santa clause 3
06:59 <GodTodd> http://www.planetebook.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=362 < ----- all i really need to know about the future of books and publishing :)
07:00 <GodTodd> though it does confuse the issue with *gasp* facts
07:00 <GodTodd> ;)
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Home Alone 3?  I guess that's a pretty old movie now
07:00 <GodTodd> yeah
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Rocky 5 :)
07:01 <GodTodd> ghostbusters 2?
07:01 <GodTodd> ;)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's just one, maybe two movies that shouldn't have been made, but I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 rockies
07:02 <GodTodd> they weren't bad
07:02 <GodTodd> The Library's track record shows clearly that the traditional "encryption/enforcement" policy which has been followed thus far by most of the publishing industry is just plain stupid, as well as unconscionable from the viewpoint of infringing on personal liberties.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, and they were progressivly not-so-good, too
07:03 <GodTodd> truly
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, it just strikes me as bad business to take the assumption that all of your customers are thieves
07:03 <Luke-Jr> Equilibrium was a decent movie
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't seriously buy in to the idea that the 1% or so of people that will legitimately purchase something and then copy it for thousands of people can ruin it for the rest of us
07:04 <GodTodd> you read any flint?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> those people that download copies of something without ever buying it were never customers to begin with and you've lost nothing
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, I've read a fair amount of flint
07:04 <GodTodd> mother of demons?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> he did most of the writing on the Belisarius Series, after all.  :)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not any fantasy.  Not interested anymore.
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Umm, 1632 and 1633 were pretty good
07:05 <GodTodd> in 2 years it went from a sell through of 54% up to 65%
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Pyramid Scheme ws awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> look, I've gotten hours and hours of good reading from the free library, and I've put out for their ebooks because of it.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> You're preaching to the choir as far as baen is concerned.
07:06 <GodTodd> exactly the premise behind it
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Man, I just reread the March Upcountry series for like the third time.  I really love that series.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> first two books are in the library.  I've only got the third on paper, but I can give you a copy of the fourth.
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I downloaded the palm prc files.  :)
07:07 <GodTodd> it's just a perfect example of how putting some/most/all of my stuff up for free will help me more, imo, than writing 10 query letters a month to agents 
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, I got 1633 the same way.  A nice guy on slashdot hooked me up.
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think Mr Flint's doing any bitching about it either because that's what we've always done!
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Hey Todd, check out this book, it's fucking cool!"  "Oh yeah?  Let me read it"
07:09 <GodTodd> nah...hell he said that the library is no different than borrowing books from friends
07:09 <GodTodd> hell...you got me into Koontz way back when
07:09 <GodTodd> well...most of the people i read before actually
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's exactly what it is, and exactly how it works.  I borrow the first couple of books in the series from you and catch up, I can either wait until you're finished or buy my own.
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <GodTodd> that's why i hate the record companies too...i believe cd sales are up after p2p
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think keeping a personal copy doesn't change the basic problem for readers.  The problem is after you've borrowed the book, what do you do now?  You loved it, right?  You want more, don't you?
07:10 <GodTodd> i'd have to research it but i think i'm right
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> you can't borrow forever!
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> Actually I've done a fair amount of research on it.
07:10 <GodTodd> exactly
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> Up until about 2003, the record companies saw record-breaking sales pretty much every year.
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> In 2003 they didn't.  They saw a 30% drop in sales.  They went running around "Oh those *evil* pirates!"
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> of course, they didn't bother mentioning there was a corresponding 30% drop in *production*
07:11 <GodTodd> well...the 'pirates' were around before 2003
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> but they had to file their SEC reports just like every other publicly traded company
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, they used to bitch loud and proud and then quietly file away to the SEC
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> then folks started printing those reports.  A little FOIA goes a long way, you know.  Besides, the SEC sticks 'em on the web anyway.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> So they paid for a bunch of studies to be done with some downright screwy math to determine how much money they were losing to piracy.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> Of course, the independent studies that were either done independently or paid for by consumer groups (which I've dug up before) all said the same thing:
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> on average, people who used P2P software bought 1 more CD each month
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> That's 12 CDs *on average* per year
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> THe record companies said there were somewhere around 30 million evil-doers?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 = 360,000,000
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> So 360 billion cd sales generated by P2P trading
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, record companies get about $5 profit on each disc sold (according to courtney love)
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12 * 5
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 * 5 = 1,800,000,000
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> now who wouldn't object to that kind of revenue?  Of course, my own math is wonkety, the record industry was *never* that big
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're cut is less than I'm crediting here, hmmmm
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, the issue isn't about whether or not they make any money at it
07:16 <GodTodd> still...i'd take it
07:16 <GodTodd> :)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> the issue is about the fact that record companies control the entire distribution and marketing chain, and by controlling that, they control the musicians themselves
07:16 <GodTodd> but the issue is whether they *lose* money
07:16 <GodTodd> and they don't
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but here comes the internet!  That's a distribution and marketing avenue they *don't* control--can't control!
07:17 <GodTodd> yep...it's organic
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> and what happens when that happens?  All those indie labels they've been trying to sue into the ground and crush in other ways finally get a reprieve
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> all those indie bands that have been making a decent living because they never signed the 6-record slave contract with a major now have a chance at real stardom
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> and that is a very serious threat to the big guys
07:18 <GodTodd> we've gone through too much time with big companies in all entertainment venues telling us what's good...we've been choosing 'what sucks less'
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> very profound
07:19 <GodTodd> there are a lot of writers, for instance, that could write circles around the published authors, i'm sure
07:19 <GodTodd> but the houses say they're not marketable therefore we never hear of them
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, hard to say.  In some fields, certainly.  I tend to stick with sci-fi, which is usually pretty good.
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> and you've got to remember, the publishing business is old.  Not as old as the printing press, but at least since the mid-19th century.  The record companies are still kids by comparison.
07:20 <GodTodd> hell...1632, as of 2002, had sold 34,000 paperback copies....it was in the free library simultaneously
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> publishers already saw the internet come and have been dealing with it since the '80s.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure, in the '80s it was mostly academic journals that were *embracing* the internet, the rest fell in in the 90s
07:21 <GodTodd> ahhh....cool...he does a royalty period breakdown of An Oblique Approach
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> but there's another large difference.  In the music business, the bands that talk about piracy are the ones who are either really rich already, or are going to lose their contract if they don't spit the party line
07:22 <GodTodd> i think it's more the latter
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> in the publishing business, it's writers that are bitching
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, Metallica was all selfish about it, and they're the most visible band I know of that actually had nothing to lose and everything to gain by jumping on the p2p bandwagon
07:23 <GodTodd> i know....i lost a *lot* of respect for them 
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they *got* their stardom by encouraging people to pirate their shit!
07:23 <GodTodd> exactly
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> when they released that crap album they got a bunch of people in Madison Square Gardens to listen to it, right?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> And they had their special "plug in to the mixer right here" post for people to *record* the damn thing.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> a studio album!
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> then lars ulrich comes along and says "no, the deal never included studio albums, it only included concerts"
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> fucking liar
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to meet up with him just so I can say I don't pay the danegeld
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> millions for defense, not one fucking cent for tribute!
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> don't give the dane any money or you'll never get rid of the bastard!
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hey, speaking of Danes, you know King Diamond lives around you, right?
07:25 <GodTodd> hey....i'm danish :P
07:26 <GodTodd> partly
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i read that somewhere
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I used to have this as my email signature:
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I slipped inside the oval office, I slipped in oh so fast.
07:27 <Lucifer_arma>  Grabbed the president by the necktie and wiped my funky ass
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I sent an email to my mother-in-law and she freaked out.  haha.
07:28 <GodTodd> haha
07:30 <GodTodd> this is an awesome article....i'm bookmarking it
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07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...KD lives in Dallas
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, looks like the article rating stuff is finally appearing again.  :)
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <GodTodd> wow...in this interview KD is actually sounding like an atheist
07:42 <GodTodd> and a freakin' chatterbox 
07:42 <GodTodd> heh
07:47 <GodTodd> But if car dealers followed the moronic practices of most publishers (and, to the best of my knowledge, the entire music recording industry) they would sternly refuse to let anyone even sit in one of their cars-much less give it a test drive-unless they'd already paid for it.
07:47 <GodTodd> nice point
07:47 <GodTodd> flint again
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08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Reenabled assertions in Check(), they should work now.
08:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/fortress/side_chutes-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
08:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr fix your admin panel
08:41 <spidey> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7242016 bytes) in /var/www/localhost/aa-admin/log.php on line 25
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: more tweaks on the stylesheet :)
09:56 <GodTodd> wanted the store link to be more noticeable? ;)
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I'm about to move it and get rid of the primary links, though.
10:00 <GodTodd> ah
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> although it might be nice to put the nice-menu up there
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> the paypal link is going away too.  Probably doesn't work anyway.
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10:01 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though.  I fooled with the margins
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
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10:02 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though.  I fooled with the margins
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> also, the backup job is running right now, web server will be slow during it
10:03 <GodTodd> blah..i missed some of that i think
10:03 <GodTodd> stupid fingers
10:03 <GodTodd> heh
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I repeted myself when you got back
10:03 <GodTodd> ah ok :)
10:03 <GodTodd> and the paypal link does go to 'send money'
10:04 <GodTodd> tho i agree the nicemenu might look neato up there
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah fuck.  er.
10:05 <GodTodd> trouble?
10:05 <GodTodd> erm
10:05 <GodTodd> yeah
10:05 <GodTodd> heh
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> fucking paypal link was really huge
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> ACK!
10:08 <GodTodd> ummmm....
10:08 <GodTodd> wow? ;)
10:08 <GodTodd> even my blind ass can read that menu
10:08 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> almost there....
10:10 <GodTodd> just about :)
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> so much for float right
10:11 <GodTodd> heh
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> success!
10:16 <GodTodd> :)
10:18  * GodTodd decides not to point out the extraneous grey line. ;)
10:19 <GodTodd> hrmm...just add more menu items? cover it up :)
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I like that line, sorry
10:20 <GodTodd> heh
10:20 <GodTodd> that's cool :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> here we go, I think this'll do it
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> I lied, completely and utterly
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea what that extraneous white line is
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it's finally how I want it
10:28 <GodTodd> heh
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> looks good in konqueror too
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you log out, you'll notice that in order to move from content to that navigation bar, you have to go over the google banner :)
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> now I need all the links that are currently green to turn blue
10:30 <GodTodd> heh
10:30 <GodTodd> that should be easy enough
10:30 <GodTodd> maybe
10:32 <GodTodd> that's the thing about web site design....fixes and tweaks are either really easy or really hard 
10:32 <GodTodd> heh
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> there, that's nice.  Now I just need to find the headings...
10:33 <GodTodd> wow...blends in nicely now :)
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now check it
10:35 <GodTodd> nice :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> ty :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> now I better quit fucking with it before I break it
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> you know, sleep on it and see how I like it tomorrow
10:36 <GodTodd> that's usually the undoing of my site....i think 'just one more tweak'
10:36 <GodTodd> heh
10:36 <GodTodd> then all i get is a broke ass site til i feel like fixing it
10:36 <GodTodd> :)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  been there, done that.  My site sat like that for a loooong time.  Just one more tweak and it broke, and when I went back to fix it I had to do one more tweak again, rinse and repeat
10:37 <GodTodd> yep
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> the footer is the next thing that needs real attention, but it won't be tonight
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I've got to go through all the modules and figure out what to do about headings again.
10:38 <GodTodd> whatcha gonna do to the footer?
10:38 <GodTodd> make it not stick out so much?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, there's no home link in the menu bar, and I made the one at the top unobviously a home link
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the footer needs to shrink quite a bit and become a link to the copyright page that doesn't exist.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> you could do that stuff if you wanted.  :)  The footer text is in settings in the admin page.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking the copyright part and the creative commons badge should stay, and have a link to the "copyright page" which should contain another informal discussion that includes the translation stuff
10:40 <GodTodd> ah....oh and one thing...we need to change the creative commons license link from 1.0 at the end to 2.5
10:40 <GodTodd> that's the new one
10:40 <GodTodd> small matter :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahahahahaha
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> shows you how much I check with my lawyer :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got a home link now on the menu bar
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually very similar to the layout it had when I used my own custom cms before I used mambo.  Weird.
10:44 <GodTodd> heh
10:44 <GodTodd> ok...linked to the new license
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, if we stay with * Stupid Website, then the only thing that has to change is the title at the top
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> which is the title of the site.  :/
10:45 <GodTodd> i guess it depends on how clever we want to get with it....and that kind of defeats the wole message we're trying to send ;)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> the favicon could use a better rendition, it's not just a guitar thing anymore.  And the sextant is pretentious as hell, but it was all I could find that nobody would understand.  :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> people probably think it's a cannon or something, heh
10:46 <GodTodd> heh
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, the site was originally "Dave's Stupid Website".  I added the Fancella so people would have to learn how to spell it, and so it would feel more personal
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> we could reasonably return back to that old name
10:48 <GodTodd> true
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it gets away from the "This is Dave Fancella's site and only his" message the current title carries and otherwise feels exactly that same
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> it also conveniently doesn't require another article talking about the site.  :)
10:49 <GodTodd> heh
10:50 <GodTodd> should we change the default time on the site or keep it at GMT?
10:50 <GodTodd> or do we care?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> um, default is gmt?
10:50 <GodTodd> yep
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> may as well keep it gmt then.  If people want it localized, they can register themselves.
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> There's a module that uses some javascript to get the user's locale from the browser we might consider using
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> worst case it doesn't work and they get gmt anyway
10:51 <GodTodd> true
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> only works for logged in users
10:52 <GodTodd> bah...there were like 4 places to change that damn license number
10:52 <GodTodd> heh
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so it's neat, but not terribly useful, and I'm not in a hurry to add a module and take the performance hit that goes with it for that
10:53 <GodTodd> yeah...it's not that big a deal...they get local time if they register :)
10:53 <GodTodd> so...you just want to take it to "Dave's Stupid Website" then?
10:54 <GodTodd> while i'm here
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> sure, you want to do that or try to think up something better?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, may as well change it while you're there, and if we come up with something better we can burn that bridge then
10:55 <GodTodd> there
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit, I'm liking this blue a lot.  This site's been green, pink, brick, black, but this blue feels really good.
10:56 <GodTodd> i like the blue
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's 4am and I need to stop trying to tweak the site, so I'm going to bed :)
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah...i should too...6:30 comes awful early
10:57 <GodTodd> heh
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> we need to think about collaboratively authoring something at some point since the tool is right there to do it.
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:57 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
10:58 <GodTodd> #night
10:58 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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11:22 <guru3> grr hope i didn't just kill my linux install on my desktop :S
11:30 <guru3> seems not
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15:52 <wrtlprnft> do i have any messages from ph?
15:52 <wrtlprnft> looks like I don't
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18:27 <Luke-Jr> hope nobody minds
18:28 <Luke-Jr> I'm about to backport fixes to 0.3.0 branch and tag a 0.3.0.1
18:28 <Luke-Jr> if someone wants to repeat that for Lucifer_arma, he might be interested
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18:58 <TiTnAsS> yo
18:58 <TiTnAsS> wheres luke jr
19:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:00 <TiTnAsS> yo
19:00 <TiTnAsS> are u still hosting the server?
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i'm no longer in !LOL!
19:01 <Luke-Jr> last I checked
19:01 <TiTnAsS> so shut it down
19:01 <TiTnAsS> '
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i turned it off
19:01 <TiTnAsS> and delete settings
19:01 <TiTnAsS> last month
19:01 <TiTnAsS> this month*
19:01 <TiTnAsS> it was only up for 2 days
19:01 <Luke-Jr> I charge per-month, not per-day
19:02 <TiTnAsS> good
19:02 <TiTnAsS> no charges then
19:02 <Luke-Jr> 2 days is the same as the full month
19:02 <TiTnAsS> llol
19:03 <Luke-Jr> so I'm still expecting that money order or however you plan to pay
19:03 <TiTnAsS> bullshit 
19:03 <TiTnAsS> talk to !LOL! clan
19:03 <TiTnAsS> it was their server
19:03 <Luke-Jr> you obviously don't live in the real world
19:03 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:03 <Luke-Jr> it was your server, it had your name
19:03 <TiTnAsS> i live in lala land
19:03 <TiTnAsS> atleast you have a nice site
19:03 <TiTnAsS> you should give me 10 free months
19:03 <TiTnAsS> for that nice site
19:03 <Luke-Jr> try using a cell phone for 1 second and arguing not being charged for the minute
19:03 <Luke-Jr> that site sucks, BTW
19:03 <TiTnAsS> hahaha
19:03 <TiTnAsS> calm down man
19:04 <TiTnAsS> geezus..
19:04 <TiTnAsS> want me to get a person to buy hosting or someting from u?
19:04 <Luke-Jr> sure, if you can
19:04 <TiTnAsS> nah... its ok
19:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:04 <TiTnAsS> why are u charging for a free game?
19:04 <TiTnAsS> it hought tron was free
19:04 <TiTnAsS> i never expected you to actually want the money
19:04 <Luke-Jr> free is not gratis
19:05 <Luke-Jr> I have bills too
19:05 <TiTnAsS> 2 days?
19:05 <Luke-Jr> servers don't come free
19:05 <TiTnAsS> its hosted on your house comp
19:05 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:05 <Luke-Jr> billing is per month
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it isn't
19:05 <TiTnAsS> it lagged like it was
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it's hosted in a server room in Chicago
19:05 <TiTnAsS> jk
19:05 <TiTnAsS> how bout i give you a cookie
19:05 <Luke-Jr> a cookie doesn't pay the bills
19:06 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you .50 cents
19:06 <TiTnAsS> for each day
19:06 <Luke-Jr> try paying your cell company for 1 second instead of 1 minute, or anyone else
19:06 <TiTnAsS> my cellphone company doesn't count any calls under 10 seconds
19:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:06 <Luke-Jr> most do
19:06 <TiTnAsS> not mine
19:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe because you pay for service
19:07 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:07 <TiTnAsS> they dont count a minute as 10 seconds
19:07 <TiTnAsS> atleast i told you that i was done with it
19:07 <Luke-Jr> most do, and you're paying them monthly either way
19:07 <TiTnAsS> before a month passed
19:08 <Luke-Jr> anyway, you started service on July 30th
19:09 <Luke-Jr> today is Aug 8
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped it
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> that's 9 days
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you should check the last time i logged in
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped the service
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> service isn't canncelled by non-use
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i tried going on irc alot
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you nevver responded
19:09 <TiTnAsS> ur fault
19:09 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:09 <TiTnAsS> sense
19:09 <Luke-Jr> you could have left a messagewe have a bot
19:09 <Luke-Jr> even if I wasn't here, the bot keeps messages
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont use irc that much
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont know the bot shit
19:10 <TiTnAsS> well someone left u messages with th ebot
19:10 <Luke-Jr> either way, I'm always here
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u get them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> check ur notes or something
19:10 <TiTnAsS> wrtl or someone left notes for u
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u seep them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> #Notes luke-jr
19:10 <armabot> TiTnAsS: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
19:10 <TiTnAsS> he made them
19:10 <TiTnAsS> i know he di
19:10 <TiTnAsS> d
19:11 <TiTnAsS> yt?
19:12 <[dlh]> #realchatlogs
19:12 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:12 <Luke-Jr> TiTnAsS: yes, I got those
19:12 <Luke-Jr> and then you changed your mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> no i didnt
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i never changed my mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> are u on crack?
19:12 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 15:45:48 <armabot>       Sent 4 hours and 37 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i still said i wanted to cancel
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:45 <TitsnAss>      i just need to keep it up
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:50 <TitsnAss>      i'll even throw a few bucks
19:13 <TiTnAsS> when did i say that
19:13 <Luke-Jr> then you went on to talk about payment
19:13 <Luke-Jr> look at the timestamps
19:13 <TiTnAsS> i said i'll pay only a couple dollars
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not ur overpricing 
19:14 <TiTnAsS> give up i'm not paying
19:14 <Luke-Jr> my prices are fair
19:14 <Luke-Jr> I even offered you a deal
19:14 <TiTnAsS> 15 bucks?
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:26 <Luke-Jr>   sigh, fine. $15/mo
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:31 <TitsnAss>  SWEET
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:33 <TitsnAss>  :D
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:37 <TitsnAss>  let me work on the money order
19:14 <TiTnAsS> that was when iw as in clan
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not in clan anymore
19:14 <Luke-Jr> that was the deal
19:14 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:14 <TiTnAsS> too baddddd
19:15 <TiTnAsS> anyways 
19:15 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you some free hosting if uw ant?
19:15 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:15 <TiTnAsS> its better hosting than u guys give
19:16 <TiTnAsS> later man
19:16 <Luke-Jr> I don't need hosting
19:16 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u a itunes certificate code?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> useless to me
19:16 <TiTnAsS> softwarE?
19:16 <TiTnAsS> music?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:16 <TiTnAsS> videos?
19:17 <Luke-Jr> how about just paying?
19:17 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i dont want to waste money on a tron server
19:17 <TiTnAsS> thats really stupid 
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:17 <TiTnAsS> now i disagree
19:17 <TiTnAsS> be nice and i'll buy one in the month of NEVER
19:17 <Luke-Jr> the deal was already made
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you owe me $15
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i never signed a contract
19:18 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay you next year
19:18 <Luke-Jr> verbal agreement has the same weight as a contract if it can be proven
19:18 <Luke-Jr> and I happen to log everything
19:18 <TiTnAsS> first you have to pay me 15 bucks for the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'm charging you
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never wanted your site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never agreed to buy it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> no I didn't
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <TiTnAsS> yeah u did
19:18 <TiTnAsS> u said make the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> and givec the link
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I offered you a deal on reselling, and you made the site for your own use to resell with
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad stop crying 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'm not paying
19:19 <TiTnAsS> seeya 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 15 bucks when i can 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> do u have paypal?
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> whats the email 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> are u paypal verified
19:19 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org>
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> dashjr.is-a-geek.org?
19:20 <TiTnAsS> wtf...
19:20 <TiTnAsS> make a less complicating email that is verified
19:20 <Luke-Jr> yes, it's an old email specifically for paypal
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it works fine
19:20 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:20 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 5 bucks
19:20 <TiTnAsS> since i didn't even have service for a month
19:20 <TiTnAsS> plus ur server was lagging too much 
19:20 <TiTnAsS> everyone was complaining that you were downloading pr0n
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it was not, I was there
19:20 <TiTnAsS> during nights
19:21 <TiTnAsS> evertyone complainining
19:21 <TiTnAsS> their pings spiked high 
19:21 <TiTnAsS> more than usual 
19:21 <TiTnAsS> you must of been downloading something
19:21 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:21 <TiTnAsS> sense.
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I would download from home, not from a remote server that I can't directly access
19:21 <TiTnAsS> the server wa slagging
19:21 <TiTnAsS> alot
19:21 <Luke-Jr> which would only affect my ping, nobody elses
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I was there, don't talk bs
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them 
19:21 <Luke-Jr> $7 and I'll call it paid
19:22 <TiTnAsS> i said 5?
19:22 <TiTnAsS> u know i can just go away
19:22 <TiTnAsS> and not pay
19:22 <TiTnAsS> it woudln't matter at all to me
19:22 <Luke-Jr> $5 service + $2 for setup/putting up with you/paypal-takes-some-out
19:22 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:23 <TiTnAsS> could i get 5 bucks back for the sucky server?
19:23 <Luke-Jr> the server works great
19:23 <TiTnAsS> haahahahahaahahaahahahahahaaaahaha
19:23 <Luke-Jr> now are you going to pay the $15 you owe me or settle with $7?
19:23 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay nothing
19:24 <TiTnAsS> and be happy with that
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll regret it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> really?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:24 <TiTnAsS> how would i?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to mailbomb me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to flood my ip?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are you going to stock me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to start pinging my ip?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> it's spelled stalk, btw
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so ur going to stalk me now?/
19:24 <Luke-Jr> no
19:24 <TiTnAsS> grow up
19:24 <Luke-Jr> just telling you how to spell it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so how will i regret it
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be hated more on the tron community?
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be deleted from the forums
19:25 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out if you don't pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> tell me now
19:25 <TiTnAsS> it will help me pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> for something i never liked
19:26 <Luke-Jr> I haven't decided
19:26 <Luke-Jr> nonsense, if you didn't like it you wouldn't have been begging to get it
19:27 <TiTnAsS> ???????
19:27 <TiTnAsS> you make me laugh
19:28 <Luke-Jr> I'll report you for non-payment in your credit rating
19:29 <TiTnAsS> you dont have any info on me
19:29 <TiTnAsS> : > 
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that's what you think
19:30 <TiTnAsS> tell me one thing about me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> other than my name
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and i'll pay you
19:30 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and if you cant tell me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> i dont pay u
19:30 <Luke-Jr> you'll pay me the full $15?
19:30 <TiTnAsS> 7 bucks
19:31 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 29
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 18
19:31  * Luke-Jr ponders whether to take the $7 or credit report
19:31 <TiTnAsS> rofl
19:31 <TiTnAsS> dont try to black mail
19:31 <Luke-Jr> lol, you're better off paying the $7... I might just go ahead and report you
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i doubt you knew anything on me
19:31 <Luke-Jr> it's not blackmail
19:31 <TiTnAsS> no
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me something
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay
19:31 <TiTnAsS> if u dont know anyhtin gabou mt
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i dont have to tell u anything
19:32 <TiTnAsS> SEEYA
19:32 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds like i said
19:32 <TiTnAsS> to find out sommething about me
19:32 <Luke-Jr> like I said, I'll just credit report you
19:32 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:32 <TiTnAsS> thanks
19:32 <TiTnAsS> seeeya
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19:33 <TiTnAsS> ok you made me feel bad
19:34 <TiTnAsS> whats ur paypal again
19:34 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org
19:34 <TiTnAsS> expect it sometime this week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> or next week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> depending whenever the account gets verified
19:34 <TiTnAsS> seeya
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19:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
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20:04  * spidey slaps joe
20:06  * DrJoeTron hates spidey
20:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: TNA is stupid *rant rant*
20:12 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: guess who finally showed up to cancel his service-- and refuse to pay
20:14 <spidey> lol
20:14 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:14 <spidey> yay
20:14 <spidey> there's people in both servers :D
20:15 <spidey> btw luke, i took the money out today so it should be in paypal 3-4 days
20:16 <Luke-Jr> took money out? wha? o.O
20:17 <spidey> you have to take money out the bank and put it in paypal before you have anything in paypal
20:17 <spidey> you know?
20:18 <spidey> hmm
20:18 <spidey> <pre></pre> doesn't work worth a shit >.<
20:20 <Luke-Jr> spidey: erm, usually when you click the button it lets you set it up to automatically pull it from an account
20:21 <Luke-Jr> <pre> does exactly what it's supposed to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> which isn't something you'd often want to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I keep a balance of $0 in Paypal and have it automatically transfer anything I want to spend
20:28 <DrJoeTron> oh i know hwo
20:28 <DrJoeTron> lucifer
20:28 <DrJoeTron> right?
20:28 <DrJoeTron> :D
20:32 <spidey> amd
20:32 <spidey> and
20:32 <spidey> pre preformats
20:32 <spidey> so like you load a textdoc,instead of opening and <center> all that shit just <pre>include</pre>
20:33 <DrJoeTron> told you it was a bad idea to have tit be a client
20:33 <spidey> ya
20:33 <DrJoeTron> id rather talk to a dead guy
20:33 <DrJoeTron> because i know the outcome at least
20:33 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:33 <spidey> then again i hate him
20:34 <DrJoeTron> brb
20:34 <spidey> sue him!
20:34 <spidey> then sue DrJoeTron for not telling you it'd be a bad idea
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20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> does NOT preformat-- everything else does
20:50 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: yeah, well at least I gave him a hard time and insisting on his paying
20:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> means the content is already formatted
20:52 <spidey> >.<
20:52 <spidey> i just read his logs
20:52 <spidey> he's a moron
20:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:52 <spidey> the server doesn't lag
20:52 <spidey> if they did mine would
20:52 <spidey> and mkzelda had less lag in the one i get from you than he did in the one i got on the webserver
20:52 <spidey> then again his isp was fucked up
20:54 <Luke-Jr> yeah
20:54 <Luke-Jr> brain lag maybe ;)
20:54 <spidey> lol
20:54 <spidey> tits thinks he has a t3
20:55 <spidey> if he did he could host a shitload of tron servers from his house
20:55 <spidey> he's a moron :D
20:55 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:55 <Luke-Jr> I told him my server was on a T1
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and then he expects to serve off webpages with 500 KByte pages
20:55 <spidey> cable is faster
20:55 <spidey> t1 is just more stable
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and is surprised when he learns that T3 is up to 1.5 MBit
20:55 <Luke-Jr> T1 has better upload
20:56 <spidey> nah
20:56 <spidey> t1 = 1.5 mbit up and down
20:56 <Luke-Jr> ya
20:56 <spidey> i'll be getting that when they upgrade the plans out here
20:56 <Luke-Jr> cable never has even 1mbit up
20:56 <spidey> and when this other isp gets out here
20:56 <spidey> oh ya?
20:56 <spidey> what's that plan versizon has
20:56 <Luke-Jr> FIOS isn't cable
20:56 <spidey> 15mbit down and 2mbit up
20:56 <spidey> >.<
20:57 <spidey> anyways
20:57 <spidey> if it's unmetered it does :p
20:57 <Luke-Jr> TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <Luke-Jr> like Your_mom
20:57 <spidey> mom did something to?
20:57 <Luke-Jr> eh?
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) like Your_mom
20:57 <Luke-Jr> I mean in personality and player skillz
20:57 <spidey> oh
20:57 <Luke-Jr> now mom is much more technical, IMO
20:57 <Luke-Jr> and TNA just dumb
20:58 <Luke-Jr> wtf happened?
20:58 <spidey> haha
20:58 <spidey> he's said that tron wouldn't be shit without him inventing doublebinding
20:58 <spidey> which made me laugh :D
20:58 <Luke-Jr> rofl
20:59 <spidey> i only learned to doublebind 2months after i started playing
20:59 <spidey> and by then i was already good
20:59  * Luke-Jr should play well more often
20:59 <Luke-Jr> usually when I play, I don't do it seriously =p
20:59 <spidey> lol
20:59 <Luke-Jr> it got boring a number of months ago
21:00 <spidey> i've been playing a year
21:00 <spidey> the only thing i like anymore is fortress
21:00 <spidey> well
21:00 <spidey> a year aug. 21st
21:00 <Luke-Jr> I don't care for vanilla fortress
21:00 <spidey> i think
21:00 <wrtlprnft> what did tna want again?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> he woke me somehow
21:00 <Luke-Jr> just wild fortress, deathmatch, and sty variants
21:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: TNA is trying to get by not paying again
21:01 <spidey> i like wild fort
21:01 <spidey> but i lagg like hell there
21:01 <spidey> :(
21:01 <Luke-Jr> :/
21:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: BTW, I hope you've started using your config files instead of just remote admin
21:04 <Luke-Jr> in case you haven't noticed, I do restart Arma servers when nobody's on them
21:04 <Luke-Jr> eg, for upgrades
21:05 <spidey> i always used the config files
21:05 <spidey> for anything i wanna keep
21:05 <spidey> for onetime settings i just remote admin
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:05 <Luke-Jr> I noticed the other day, there was no shooting enabled
21:05 <spidey> ya i changed it to dogfighting
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft did you make a deathzone on the u.s.fortress?
21:06 <Luke-Jr> do you still want the shooting server?
21:06 <spidey> yea,i'll use it sometimes
21:06 <Luke-Jr> ok
21:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
21:06 <spidey> does it have respawning?
21:06 <spidey> hmm
21:06 <spidey> someone changed it to deathzone,lol
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i hate deathzones, they're so pointless
21:06 <spidey> unless they grow
21:06 <Luke-Jr> deathzones aren't useless!
21:07 <spidey> which i tried setting the expansion to 2
21:07 <Luke-Jr> pointless*
21:07 <spidey> but it kept reverting to 0
21:07 <spidey> i don't even have a everytime.cfg >.<
21:07 <Luke-Jr> O.o
21:07 <wrtlprnft> deathzones that appear randomly are useless
21:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:07 <spidey> not if they have expansion
21:07 <spidey> it's like a timelimit
21:08 <Luke-Jr> arma supports time limits
21:08 <spidey> yes,but i'd rather watch someone slap a deathzone
21:08 <spidey> :p
21:08 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:08 <wrtlprnft> it would be better to spawn a zombie for everyone :P
21:08 <spidey> hmm
21:08 <spidey> but then you can't kill them
21:08 <spidey> wait
21:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr is there a way to make shots only work on zombies?
21:09 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I imagine so
21:09 <spidey> hm
21:09 <Luke-Jr> I can't say I have interest in doing it =p
21:09 <spidey> lol
21:09 <Luke-Jr> unless you make it sound fun maybe, but then I might not have the time either
21:10 <spidey> haha
21:10 <spidey> hmm
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Isn't it so much FUN to add yet another hack to gGame.cpp?
21:10 <spidey> Luke-Jr did you fix the logs?
21:10 <spidey> lol
21:10 <Luke-Jr> spidey: yes, now it only shows the last 5000 lines
21:10 <spidey> k
21:10 <Luke-Jr> who wants to split gGame.cpp??
21:11 <spidey> Luke-Jr is that the script or the actual log file doing that?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I already have enough on my plate =p
21:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: the script
21:11 <Luke-Jr> in fact
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what about renaming it to gRandomHacks.cpp?
21:11 <spidey> can you link log.txt to the www dir?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I think I'm gonna set logs to append-only
21:11 <wrtlprnft> or gHacksGoHere.cpp
21:11 <spidey> i'ma make a admin panel for my site
21:12 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you can =p
21:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that isn't splitting
21:12 <spidey> i thought it was in another dir?
21:12 <spidey> O.o
21:13 <Luke-Jr> no
21:13 <Luke-Jr> er
21:13 <Luke-Jr> so
21:13 <spidey> how do i password a file,like admin.php
21:13 <spidey> i know how to do dir's
21:14 <Luke-Jr> .htaccess
21:14 <Luke-Jr> oh
21:14 <Luke-Jr> no idea for just a file
21:15 <spidey> ick
21:15 <spidey> cat armagetron.log isn't smart >.<
21:16 <Luke-Jr> ?
21:16 <spidey> hmm
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
21:18 <spidey> btw did you make SvcConfig readonly?
21:18 <DrJoeTron> ah nothin, luke told me to guess who jipped him out of money
21:18  * DrJoeTron was being cute :D
21:18 <spidey> haha
21:19 <Luke-Jr> someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:19 <spidey> [12:20] ( Luke-Jr ) someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:20 <spidey> awe
21:20 <spidey> i just thought of that
21:20 <spidey> i can't use php to edit bans from my webserver
21:20 <spidey> :(
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with forum posts?  are the forums down?
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:20 <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?  <--- spidey said that
21:21 <spidey> lol
21:23 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: IRC is realtime
21:23 <spidey> i'm not repeating it :p
21:24 <spidey> whoa O.o
21:24 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:24 <spidey> 12 bans on the server i get from you luke
21:24 <spidey> i don't remember doing 1 of them :s
21:24 <Luke-Jr> autobans?
21:24 <spidey> wouldn't they be removed?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> eventually?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> shrug
21:24 <Luke-Jr> I didn't write it =p
21:24 <spidey> O.o
21:25 <Luke-Jr> I just know autobans are annoying
21:25 <spidey> 12 password
21:25 <spidey> a bot made the highscores
21:25 <spidey> lol
21:26 <spidey> ok now to link all this crap that goes on the main page
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21:48 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/scores2.php
21:48 <spidey> right
21:48 <spidey> lol
21:49 <spidey> ok then >.<
21:51 <Luke-Jr> did 0.3.0 have the new spectator mode?
21:52 <spidey> new?
21:52 <spidey> you mean where you can still talk?
21:52 <Luke-Jr> ye
21:52 <Luke-Jr> s
21:52 <spidey> i would think so
21:52 <spidey> it came out in 2.8.something didn't iT?
21:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/ladder2.php
21:53 <spidey> yay for overflow: auto;
21:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
21:54 <Luke-Jr> it didn't
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Your IP is :
22:01 <wrtlprnft> 85.233.38.240 
22:01 <wrtlprnft> And Is Being Logged 
22:01 <wrtlprnft> For Security Reasons.
22:01 <wrtlprnft> uhhh
22:01 <wrtlprnft> i'm scared.
22:02 <spidey> :p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> ahhh
22:02 <spidey> actually the webserver does the logging
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr put a memory log into the trunk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp?r1=6032&r2=6031&pathrev=6032
22:04 <wrtlprnft> anyone who has anything that's publically available and doesn't keep logs should be shot
22:04 <DrJoeTron> anyone seen invader lately?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #seen *invad*
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching *invad*.
22:27 <spidey> now i'm bored
22:27 <spidey> Luke-Jr can i redo your website? :D
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> spidey: why
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22:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr because i'm bored now
22:34 <spidey> :/
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: but it's nice already ;p
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure, use your webspace =p
22:34 <spidey> it's fugly
22:34 <Luke-Jr> it's simple and nice
22:34 <Luke-Jr> just lacks a menu of some sort
22:34 <spidey> fugly ;x
22:35 <spidey> ok,i'll make one and you decide if you like it? :p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> keep it simple tho =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> I like simple
22:35 <spidey> simple is fugly
22:35 <spidey> >.<
22:36 <spidey> ok
22:36 <spidey> color scheme?
22:36 <spidey> or can i use black/gray
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> make it look like this:
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
22:37 <spidey> no comment
22:37 <spidey> ;x
22:37 <spidey> heeey
22:37 <spidey> i just noticed something
22:37 <spidey> my irc client isn't broken anymore
22:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma do a /me action
22:37  * Lucifer_arma beats the living fuck out of spidey
22:37 <spidey> yay
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it like the resource browser :P
22:40 <spidey> um
22:40 <spidey> my site doesn't have tables
22:40 <spidey> not one
22:40 <spidey> except for the forums
22:40 <Luke-Jr> spidey: webpages look better bright
22:40 <Luke-Jr> eg, white not black
22:40 <wrtlprnft> just to be sure
22:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my site has a lot of correct-use tables
22:41 <spidey> so you want white with black text
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i don't mind those
22:41 <wrtlprnft> 22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:41 <Luke-Jr> wasn't sure if you were implying something ;)
22:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i can do css more valid than i can tables :p
22:42 <spidey> anyways
22:42 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i'm using tables in the map previewer
22:42  * spidey is busy
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah?
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: BTW, I was pleased to notice the icons weren't a table ;p
22:44 <wrtlprnft> they aren't
22:44 <Luke-Jr> lots of people use tables for iconic layouts
22:44 <wrtlprnft> try to change the window size
22:44 <Luke-Jr> I know
22:44 <Luke-Jr> but finding that made me happy ;p
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it'll probably screw up badly in netscape 4 or IE5
22:45 <Luke-Jr> or netscape 3
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not even that. ie 5, 5.5, 6 all work
22:46 <wrtlprnft> netscape 3 can't even do any CSS I think
22:46 <Luke-Jr> nope
22:46 <Luke-Jr> but it was the last good netscape
22:46 <wrtlprnft> and as I'm using list and headings where appropiate it should still look fine
22:47 <Luke-Jr> brb
22:47 <wrtlprnft> http://operawatch.com/news/2006/08/opera-901-opera-is-moving-fast-?-really-fast.html <-- look at my comment to that, especially at the user agent above it
22:50 <Luke-Jr> The page you were looking for was not found.
22:50 <wrtlprnft> !
22:50 <wrtlprnft> http://tinyurl.com/hzpv2
22:51 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:51 <wrtlprnft> not found either
22:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:51 <wrtlprnft> there's an utf8 char in the URL
22:53 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/link.htm
22:55 <wrtlprnft> darn utf-8
22:59 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6033 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php:
23:00 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Added scope tags to <th> elements to make the generated pages more accessible.
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Not that there would be a real benefit since the whole thing is about showing preview images of a 3D game, but well, maybe guru3 wants to have one of the pages read to him one day, he might benefit from it.
23:00 <wrtlprnft> if I'm already using tables :P
23:02 <guru3> making fun of me? :S
23:05 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:05 <Luke-Jr> someone go release 0.3.1
23:05 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:07 <wrtlprnft> guru3: no, but you're the only one related to arma I know using text- to- speech programs
23:08 <guru3> *groan*
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:10 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:30 <DrJoeTron> man, ive never had a sharpie burn my hand this much
23:30 <DrJoeTron> my dad must be lacing them with acid
23:31 <DrJoeTron> had to write a hex code and didnt have any paper :D
23:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6034 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:31 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
23:31 <spidey> Luke-Jr
23:31 <spidey> before i keep going http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test.php like it?
23:31 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
23:32 <spidey> #more -DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Error: I haven't seen -DrJoeTron.
23:32 <spidey> #more DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || FCSS (1 players) || ATC Team (0 players) || {Accelerator's place} (jalsti.dyndns.org:4540) (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6035 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6030 to 6034:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6034 | z-man | 2006-08-08 23:32:43 +0200 (Tue, 08 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  The damn t2 article is like 2 articles intermingled so badly that it's going to be quite some work to get it in shape
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> but dammit I want it on newsforge!
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 
23:57 <spidey> me:
23:58 <Luke-Jr> the line is thru For More Information
23:58 <Luke-Jr> from an english perspective, too much is capitalized on the left
23:58 <Luke-Jr> describing is spelled like such =p
23:58 <spidey> >.<
23:58 <Luke-Jr> is "All Rates Are Subject  To Additional Charges" supposed to be "(subject to change)"?
23:59 <Luke-Jr> if so, all I mean by that is my prices might go up in the future =p
23:59 <Luke-Jr> the general design looks fine, tho

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00:00 <Luke-Jr> certainly better than TNA's crap
00:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:00 <spidey> haha
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Linux Journal uses Drupal :)
00:10 <spidey> lol
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I thought about it and decided to go ahead and shop it a bit more.  I'm going to requery (essentially) newsforge for the shorter, broader version they want with the understanding that I'm shopping the longer one.
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
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01:11 <madmax|pt> hello
01:13 <spidey> goodbye
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> still here
01:14 <spidey> lol
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, performance
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/   <-- how long does it take to do a complete refresh (press shift while you hit the refresh button in firefox to force a complete refresh)
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/4_team_fortress/sumo_chutes-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:16 <spidey> peerfume?
01:16 <spidey> ew!
01:16 <spidey> a long time
01:16 <spidey> O.o
01:17 <spidey> about
01:17 <spidey> sec
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/4_team_fortress/side_chutes-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> half a second, three seconds?
01:17 <spidey> 5-7 seconds
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> 1 second isn't bad.  It's not good, but it's not bad.
01:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: initial loading takes 7.643s, reload takes 10.325s
01:17 <spidey> hey
01:17 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ...
01:17 <spidey> how you figure that out?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> reload takes 10 seconds?  that's more than the initial load!
01:17 <spidey> Luke-Jr....
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> any way to determine how much of it's bandwidth and how much is server?
01:18  * Lucifer_arma goes to find a performance monitor for drupal
01:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm no
01:18 <spidey> LOL
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got a bunch of modules enabled, some of which I may not really need
01:18  * Luke-Jr knows Lucifer_arma is ignoring him, and doesn't venture a potential way
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> if it's bandwidth, can't do anything about it without money.  If it's performance, I might be able to do something about it, but upgrading the server is best (and takes money)
01:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> get a sun fire 25k :P
01:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night all
01:24 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, can I get you to try again spidey?  I'd like DarkStar to try again too, but he just left apparently.  :(
01:25 <spidey> i hate you
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> was it faster?
01:26 <spidey> about 5-6 seconds
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> same speed, then?
01:27 <spidey> and i hate you because now i'm reading the friggin posts >.<
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  :)
01:27 <spidey> and i WAS doing something else
01:28 <spidey> now i'm going to make fish sticks and watch a movie
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01:37 <TiTnAsS> luke -jr
01:37 <TiTnAsS> yt
01:37 <spidey> lmao
01:38 <TiTnAsS> what??
01:38 <TiTnAsS> spidey did you just get out of your mommys bed?
01:39 <spidey> it's 4:40pm dumbass
01:39 <TiTnAsS> i know that
01:39 <TiTnAsS> you live with your mom
01:39 <TiTnAsS> you wake up whenever
01:39 <TiTnAsS> lol
01:39 <spidey> no..
01:39 <spidey> you're still a dumbass
01:39 <spidey> and
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01:39 <spidey> i don't live with my mom ;x
01:39 <spidey> moron
01:50 <Luke-Jr> lol
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01:53 <Lucifer_arma> where's my "ram it up your cunt" button?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh, he left already, nvm
01:53 <spidey> lol
02:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6036 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h tValueParser.ypp): haha, I forgot to commit this-- make all constructors use BasePtr instead of Base *
02:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
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02:38 <GodTodd> ram it up whose cunt?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> better scroll up, heh
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I finally created my own user account and changed the superuser's name to siteadmin so I'm not using the superuser account anymore
02:50 <GodTodd> ah :)
02:51 <GodTodd> hmmm....i think there's some weird linking going on in the admin pages....
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> ?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> splain
03:03 <GodTodd> well...i get the blow by blow page (cron jobs and stuff) with half the links that i click on the control panel....and now i can't get the page that tells me who's on :(
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I disabled the control panel module for performance reasons, the panels module too
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'll reenable the panels module, which is the one you want :)
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> my experiment was successful, bandwidth is the limiting factor for outside users
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> at least, with the one or two that I used to test it
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> there you go. davetheknave is me
03:08 <GodTodd> ahh ok
03:09 <GodTodd> awww damn ---> OLGA is currently offline while we resolve legal issues with the archive. We greatly appreciate your support and hope to return to providing resources to the aspiring guitarist as soon as possible.
03:09 <GodTodd> :(
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> fuck.  I had intended to get my mirror before that happened!
03:09 <GodTodd> must be a RAA thingee?
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> different group, hang on
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> https://www.davefancella.com/node/75
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> the bbc link may not be good anymore, I keep meaning to check it
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, dug up the bbc link.  If you refresh, you'll see it.
03:21 <GodTodd> fucking nazis
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03:52 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6037 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/: branch to work on splitting of tValue
04:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6038 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (13 files in 2 dirs): split headers-- this doesn't compile
04:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6039 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/values/ (8 files): Legacy code compiles with new headers (but tValue itself doesn't yet)
04:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6040 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.h tValueParser.h values/vCore.h values/vParser.h): legacy headers should now work *completely*
04:34 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6041 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValueParser.ypp values/vParser.ypp): Beginning of changes to the parser code for the splitting
04:40 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: would there be any forseeable repercussions on changing my name out of camel case on the site?
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05:01 <Lucifer_arma> nah
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> no repercussions at all, it looks like drupal is smart and uses a different column in the table to link users to stuff :)
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> man, my daughter's a sweetheart
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> she just told me "I wish that you could take a break from all that work and go out in the real world and have some fun"
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6042 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): parser migration to split structure is complete
05:11 <GodTodd> ok...i'm all lowercase now
05:11 <GodTodd> :)
05:18 <spidey> no you're not
05:18 <spidey> ( GodTodd ) :)
05:18 <spidey> see?
05:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, then do it...i'd say kids are more important than something on the internet ;)
05:19  * Lucifer_arma wonders what spidey thinks I do on the internet
05:22 <Luke-Jr> play games
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07:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr, no...i didn't say i thought that -_-
07:09 <spidey> that's what i do
07:10 <spidey> because i have no life
07:10 <spidey> i had a chance for one of those once,then i blew it...so i'm gonna go play halo now
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07:18 <Lucifer_arma> A few years back, God called me on the phone and said I'd gotten enough points that he was giving me an extra man.
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07:59 <DrJoeTron> well i just lost 2 hours off of my life
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08:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6043 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Decorated the code with some tAdvanceFrame() calls before sn_SendPlanned() calls; outgoing network messages should now get correct time stamps and ping measurements should be more accurate.
09:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: pong
09:13  * wrtlprnft wishes people would ask a question instead of just saying wrtlprnft:ping
09:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft: pinf
09:13 <spidey> -_-
09:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft: ping
09:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ponf
09:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: pong
09:13 <spidey> lol
09:14 <spidey> #night
09:14 <armabot> Good night spidey!
09:14 <wrtlprnft> good.
09:14 <wrtlprnft> err, bad
09:15 <spidey> you did it again
09:15  * spidey stays up
09:16 <wrtlprnft> haha
09:16 <spidey> >.<
09:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can keep him awake until he dies of lack of sleep
09:16 <spidey> nah
09:17 <spidey> you'll have to sleep sometime
09:17 <spidey> i'll just adjust my schedule to fit yours
09:19  * wrtlprnft makes a script that says, "hello, I'm awake" every 5 minutes
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: how you doing?
09:24 <wrtlprnft> hello, I'm awake
09:24 <wrtlprnft> that means good ;)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I need a program that takes a text file that describes a song and a .wav file and renders the .wav file to 3 ogg vorbis and 1 flac files, named appropriately.
09:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, make a python script?
09:26  * wrtlprnft doesn't deal with sound files a lot
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> too sleepy, I'll probably do it over the weekend
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, all it has to do is wrap oggenc and flac and use the appropriate commandline arguments
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it's just that typing it all out is a pain and I've got 4-5 songs to do it with
09:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, a simple shellscript might do the same
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> shell script is fine.  I'll use them, but I try not to make new ones.  :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's just regular batch work, heh.  I should have done that instead of chatting with my neighbor.
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> I also need a script that imports MediaWiki pages into Drupal's Liquid Wiki Engine.  But that script is useless with Liquid Wiki Engine being broken right now.  :(
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10:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:30 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: In a bottle, the neck is always at the top.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> hi there [Xpert]DarkStar 
10:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Playing_the_Game&curid=1357&diff=14446&oldid=12271 <-- what shall I do about this one? :s
10:50 <wrtlprnft> why couldn't that guy put his ideas to the right pages
10:50 <wrtlprnft> > The clans don't let you if you're not good enough or if you don't have potential to get good.
10:50 <wrtlprnft> those are those idiot super hyper elite clans like sp or fe, not all are like that
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, some clans only take sucky players
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #night
11:02 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
11:02 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma 
11:06 <wrtlprnft> does anyone in here know an OS independent c(++) functions that turns a relative path into an absolute one?
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11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6044 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: taken from NEWS:
11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: - New "About" menu item in the main menu displays the version of Armagetron Advanced, the paths it uses, links to the main site, wiki and forums and the names of the project admins.
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6045 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6034 to 6044:
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6043 | z-man | 2006-08-09 08:32:53 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  Decorated the code with some tAdvanceFrame() calls before sn_SendPlanned() calls; outgoing network messages should now get correct time stamps and ping measurements should be more accurate.
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6044 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-09 11:40:48 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6046 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp: Display the right user config file in st_PrintPathInfo
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6047 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - FULLSCREEN_MESSAGEs are now scrollable
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Fixed some display issues for the "about" screen
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6048 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6044 to 6047:
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6047 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-09 13:08:47 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  - FULLSCREEN_MESSAGEs are now scrollable
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  - Fixed some display issues for the "about" screen
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6049 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (NEWS language/english_base.txt):
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added the new cockpit data sources to NEWS
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - The resource dir can also contain cockpits. Tell that to the user.
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15:13 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping :)
15:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can you check out the tValueSplit branch and approve the file layout used by the headers?
15:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: also, any other possible name for tValue? Since it's under v* now, the t needs dropping, and I'd like to use "value" to refer to the actual... value of the expressions ;p
15:17 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
15:19 <wrtlprnft> gHudValue->cValue->tValue->vValue?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> what does v, ve, veb mean?
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16:10 <ghableska> hello
16:10 <wrtlprnft> hi and bye, I'm out for this evening
16:12 <ghableska> :O
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16:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: v = value; e = expr; b = binding
16:40 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft v = value; e = expr; b = binding
16:40 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
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16:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6050 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (12 files in 2 dirs): s/tValue/vValue
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17:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6051 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Split of tValue cpp file
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18:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6052 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/values/ (9 files): split values compile now
18:15 <Luke-Jr> wtf does beautify flatten namespaces?
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18:54 <ghableska> hello
18:54 <Luke-Jr> hiu
18:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6053 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.h values/vebMathExpr.cpp values/vebMathExpr.h): rename Expr to MathExpr (does not affect legacy support)
20:00 <spidey> ghableska
20:05 <Luke-Jr> spidey
20:06 <ghableska> spidey
20:06 <Luke-Jr> ghableska
20:06 <spidey> Luke-Jr
20:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you're def, ok?
20:07 <spidey> huh?
20:07 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:07 <spidey> :p
20:08 <Luke-Jr> I think maybe I should raise my prices
20:08 <spidey> i think you should maybe not >.<
20:10 <Luke-Jr> hehe
20:10 <Luke-Jr> if I do, it probably won't affect existing customers
20:10 <Luke-Jr> btw, did you see my advertisement on the master list? =p
20:11 <spidey> no?
20:11 <Luke-Jr> it's a fortress server
20:12 <Luke-Jr> called 'Fortress (This could be your server!)'
20:12 <Luke-Jr> with info and stuff in MOTD and such
20:12 <spidey> lmao
20:13 <Luke-Jr> wanna go play there? :x
20:13 <spidey> in a minute
20:14 <spidey> i'm still eating my cherrios
20:14 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:14 <Luke-Jr> cherrios are bad for you
20:14 <Luke-Jr> the cardboard box is healthier
20:14 <spidey> lol
20:14 <spidey> well i woke up hungry so i got cherrios
20:15 <spidey> i was thinking about fish sticks,but it's to early for 'em
20:16 <Luke-Jr> I'm eating root bear yogury
20:16 <Luke-Jr> yogurt*
20:16 <Luke-Jr> mmm
20:20 <ghableska> O_o
20:21 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:21 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: u wanna play??
20:23 <ghableska> hmm?
20:23 <ghableska> at your server?
20:26 <Luke-Jr> ya
20:26 <Luke-Jr> the "this could be your server' one
20:27 <ghableska> okay...
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> :)  I like that avatar
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21:36 <DrJoeTron> Why is Tna so fucking retarded
21:37 <Luke-Jr> dunno
21:37 <spidey> becuase he's fucking retarded?
21:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6054 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Reset rubber speed factor on turns; it was causing too short raycasts when extrapolating.
21:39 <DrJoeTron> he's asking for 20 bucks from me
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6055 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): Added death exception throwing edge passing function to cycle extrapolator to avoid local phasing.
21:42 <spidey> Luke-Jr, http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/
21:42 <spidey> now isn't that so much prettier than tna's crap ;
21:42 <spidey> x
21:42 <spidey> ;x
21:45 <DrJoeTron> broken link!
21:45 <spidey> ya i'm not done
21:45 <spidey> duh
21:45 <DrJoeTron> goood
21:46 <DrJoeTron> i just saw the shittiest movie
21:46 <DrJoeTron> advent children
21:46 <DrJoeTron> wow
21:46 <spidey> lol
21:46 <DrJoeTron> my god that was bad
21:48 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: don't give it to him =p
21:48 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: he owes me $16
21:49 <DrJoeTron> why would i give strangers money
21:49 <Luke-Jr> hehe
21:49 <Luke-Jr> Advent Children wasn't that bad, btw
21:49  * Luke-Jr saw it a few months ago
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21:57  * Lucifer_arma suspects the new TiTnAsS is a fake, but is probably wrong
21:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, it's done >.<
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> the old Titboy was a smeghead, but he was showing promise.  Probably got contaminated by the snobbery in the atmosphere at his university
21:58 <spidey> or maybe it was because he joined lol???
21:58 <Luke-Jr> the rest of LOL seem decent
21:58 <spidey> i knew him a few days before he joined lol, he seemed alright
21:58 <spidey> but maybe it was because mom was there also
21:59 <spidey> we had a sumo tourny,it lasted like 3-4 hours
21:59 <spidey> mom beat everyone >.<
21:59 <DrJoeTron> im hating this guy so much
22:05 <Compn> ya tits is fucking annoying
22:05 <spidey> speaking of fakes i think guru3 has one :s
22:07 <guru3> eh?
22:07 <spidey> i've seen a few Tank Programs around that didn't act like you :p
22:07 <guru3> lol\
22:08 <spidey> and that one guy,that i asked if you was playing and you said no? :p
22:08 <spidey> haven't seen him since z-man took bugfarm down
22:08 <guru3> mmmm yeah
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22:45 <Luke-Jr> we need auth... :|
22:46 <Luke-Jr> and DCT
22:46 <Luke-Jr> and a completed parser
22:46 <Luke-Jr> we need more devs, that's what we need ;p
22:57 <Luke-Jr> guru3: http://sourceforge.net/people/createjob.php?group_id=110997
22:58 <guru3> don't we have enough people? :S
22:59  * Luke-Jr doesn't think so
22:59 <Luke-Jr> we have so much to-do
22:59 <guru3> ><
22:59 <Luke-Jr> and progressing slowly on the big stuff
22:59 <guru3> win some/loose some
22:59 <guru3> afk
23:02 <Compn> wd durka
23:02 <Compn> setting a map to 404 link
23:04 <spidey> lol
23:04 <guru3> back
23:05 <Compn> boy
23:05 <Compn> that broke my input too
23:05 <Compn> armagetron wont accept any input
23:05 <spidey> i let the 2 black labs in the house
23:06 <spidey> the chihuahua isn't to happy about that
23:08 <Compn> i bet :D
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> here you go, this guy's interesting:  http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1707   (also running a drupal site)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i do read my hilights, no need for notes ;)
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> is anybody here browsing my website right now?
23:22 <spidey> not i
23:23 <GodTodd> i'm lurking ;)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm running top and seeing apache2 processes appearing at 40-60% CPU usage
23:24 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> memory usage around 8%.  And supybot is jumping up pretty high, I think I should restart the supybots, although I'm considering seeing if someone else wants to run them.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyone know of a good performance monitor for linux?
23:25 <Compn> not top
23:25 <Compn> ;p
23:26 <wrtlprnft> htop
23:26 <wrtlprnft> much nicer
23:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: botS? do we have more than one?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> but sure, I could take over armabot
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> I ws thinking more of something that runs as a daemon and has a report tool for its logs
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we have one, I have two.  :)
23:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so...? =p
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok then, let me zip up armabot's directory, you should be able to use the config just like it is.  I can send you my supybot ssh keys directory too, but I don't know if that'll help
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to generate a key of your own (if you don't have one already), needed to update luke's site
23:28 <wrtlprnft> hmm, lemme install supybot on the server
23:29 <Luke-Jr> id_[rd]sa should be enough in .ssh
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6056 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6048 to 6055:
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6055 | z-man | 2006-08-09 21:41:04 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added death exception throwing edge passing function to cycle extrapolator to avoid local phasing.
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6054 | z-man | 2006-08-09 21:39:57 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/performance_tutorial.html
23:32  * Luke-Jr pokes wrtlprnft 
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> er, I should shut down armabot when we do the deed here, after flushing, to make sure there's no data loss
23:34 <wrtlprnft> errm, i need the account info for nickserv, or will that be in the config files?
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's in the config files.  You *should* only need 2 things:  a bash script to update the CIA plugin, and a hmmmm
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> new private/public key pair for luke's server :)  that's it
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> um, it'll stop updating the wiki, too unless we set something up for that, but I'd rather get a message or something and update it by hand.
23:36 <Luke-Jr> #echo why would he need new keys? just copy the id_[rd]sa from ~/.ssh
23:36 <armabot> why would he need new keys? just copy the id_ [rd] sa from ~/.ssh
23:37  * Lucifer_arma is trying to think of if he's used that key for anything else, but he doesn't think he has.
23:37 <wrtlprnft> can't I just use my key?
23:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah, I guess =p
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, that's for you and luke to work out.  I'll send my supybot key if you need it, there's no problem there.
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> did you want to do the switch now or wait?
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i can do it now
23:41 <wrtlprnft> get it done ;)
23:42 <wrtlprnft> of course you could also use your account on that server to set it up in theory
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> I have an account on that server?  Oh yeah, I do, don't I.  Heh.  :)
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
23:45 <Luke-Jr> #whoami
23:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: I don't recognize you.
23:45 <Luke-Jr> lame
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> ack, killed the wrong bot
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23:46 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to change the owner, obviously
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> (tarring right now)
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> 19MB
23:49 <wrtlprnft> fetching
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm running out of memory apparently :(
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i'll just get it to work right now
23:50 <spidey> lol
23:50  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's figuring out why his server is running so slowly
23:50 <wrtlprnft> and then go to bed, tomorrow i'll do the SVN stuff
23:50 <spidey> httpd froze?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ...
23:50 <wrtlprnft> noone commit to aabeta or cia in that time
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  Probably should disable/remove the handlers that use them
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> or the wiki
23:50 <wrtlprnft> well
23:51 <wrtlprnft> either they'll work or they won't
23:51 <wrtlprnft> they won't do any harm, right?
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  :)
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, shouldn't hurt anything
23:51 <wrtlprnft> eta 5 mins
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> might take a few minutes to report back that it didn't work, and it might slow up some things in the meantime, but we're not talking frequent commits anyway
23:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Nobody really knows how it all works. <-- i knew how it worked until you and ph did stuff on it ;)
23:53 <Luke-Jr> ;p
23:54 <Luke-Jr> I suspect ph's BaseExt should be merged into Base
23:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: need new name ideas for stuff on the forum-- post =p
23:54 <wrtlprnft> what of this works, actually? does expression parsing really do its job?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> i
23:55 <wrtlprnft> 'ma go to bead, really
23:55 <Luke-Jr> the expression parsing does what it supports so far
23:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I've been waiting for name ideas from you since last night -.-
23:56 <wrtlprnft> vMagic?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> vValue is fine with me
23:56 <Luke-Jr> but a value is what it *returns* =p
23:57 <Luke-Jr> more or less
23:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oh well-- good to merge, at least?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> if it works
23:58 <Luke-Jr> it does
23:58 <Luke-Jr> mostly via tValue.h compatibility

Log from 2006-08-10:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 10 2006
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00:02 <wrtlprnft> missing some modules
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:12 Failed to load Babelfish: No module named Babelfish.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:13 Failed to load CyborgName: No module named CyborgName.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:14 Failed to load Freshmeat: No module named Freshmeat.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Linux: No module named Linux.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Markov: No module named Markov.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:17 Failed to load Python: No module named Python.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:29 Failed to load Sourceforge: No module named Sourceforge.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:30 Failed to load Weather: No module named Weather.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> no terribly useful ones anyways
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
00:03 <armabot> hi
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #f
00:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #388: || Bad user karma.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #notes
00:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, and unknown.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're still owner, do what you want if you need to fix the bot, I'm going to bed.
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> my wife started looking for the phone, so she pushed the page button on the base, and the phone in her hand started beeping
00:05 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm turning my server off for a few minutes while I rearrange hard drives in the case
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00:21 <DrJoeTron> oh how i love when arma loves to open it self four times
00:24 <Luke-Jr> you do that, not arma
00:24 <Luke-Jr> don't be acting like TNA now =p
00:31 <DrJoeTron> fuck off :D
00:31 <DrJoeTron> how dare you compare me to him
00:32 <DrJoeTron> you're absolutly right its me doing it
00:33 <DrJoeTron> because for some reason the keyboard isnt recognised off of the desktop for 30 seconds
00:33 <DrJoeTron> which still should be sort of instant i would like to think ;)
00:34 <DrJoeTron> so while im hitting enter, its still using the desktop for some reason and opens arma multiple times
00:35 <DrJoeTron> and now arma doesnt like me alt-tabbing :/
00:35 <DrJoeTron> all of the textures dim to nothing 
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6057 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (42 files in 2 dirs): merged tValueSplit
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00:42 <Luke-Jr> crap
00:42 <Luke-Jr> I think I just messed up Svn
00:48 <DrJoeTron> MAN this is getting so old
00:49 <DrJoeTron> fuck this worthless game
00:49 <DrJoeTron> brb im gonna restart
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00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6058 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tValueParser.h): that last commit didnt work correctly-- hopefully this is all that went wrong
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00:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6059 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/: merged-- bye bye branch
00:51 <DrJoeTron> armegetron tends to not recognize the keyboard, so when i hit enter, it just opens the game again, and then stalls the computer
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00:52 <DrJoeTron> there now it stopped
00:53 <DrJoeTron> im still insulted luke
00:54 <Luke-Jr> sorry, don't say dumb stuff =p
00:55 <DrJoeTron> its a bug that makes me open it multiple times
00:55 <DrJoeTron> no one likes a bigort
00:55 <DrJoeTron> ot*
00:55 <Luke-Jr> not in the game
00:55 <DrJoeTron> damn my hotdog fingers
00:56 <DrJoeTron> ive had this problem always on the windows build
00:56 <Luke-Jr> then maybe you should report it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> probably should
00:57 <DrJoeTron> but everytime im about to it stops doing it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> its like crying wolf, and having it run off long enough to think its been hit by a bus.
00:58 <DrJoeTron> only to return with its kin
00:58 <DrJoeTron> and metal teeth
00:58 <DrJoeTron> i should write books "D
00:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:01 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for these air bubbles to settle off my ds :/
01:01 <DrJoeTron> i just installed these ultra screen protectors
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> jesus joe, you did write a book
01:18 <Luke-Jr> lol
01:18 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: doesn't the DS have WiFi?
01:18 <Luke-Jr> port Arma to it
01:24 <DrJoeTron> yes
01:24 <DrJoeTron> haha i should
01:24 <DrJoeTron> i need to buy the dev kit for the ds
01:24 <Luke-Jr> why?
01:24 <Luke-Jr> download it
01:25 <DrJoeTron> cartridge?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have nothing to put it on
01:25 <Luke-Jr> o
01:25 <Luke-Jr> emulator
01:25 <Luke-Jr> for now
01:25 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for them to perfect the crartridge
01:25 <Luke-Jr> when it works, buy flash cart
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have one for gba thought :p
01:25 <DrJoeTron> 64mbit though :/
01:26 <DrJoeTron> and im not sure if the ds can handle arma
01:26 <DrJoeTron> but it would be really neat
01:26 <DrJoeTron> the bottom screen could show the grid
01:27 <DrJoeTron> and the top could show the game
01:27 <Luke-Jr> I have a GBC flash cart
01:27 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure the ds can only render 3d images on one screen at a time
01:27 <Luke-Jr> that's fine
01:27 <Luke-Jr> the HUD map doesn't need to be 3D
01:27 <DrJoeTron> good
01:28 <DrJoeTron> 	67 MHz ARM946E-S (ARM) and 33 MHz ARM7TDMI coprocessor
01:28 <Luke-Jr> ouch
01:28 <Luke-Jr> really that slow??
01:28 <DrJoeTron> yup
01:28 <Luke-Jr> how does it run anything??
01:29 <DrJoeTron> very well
01:29 <DrJoeTron> ;)
01:29 <DrJoeTron> people have done some pretty cool things though in the homebrew community
01:29 <DrJoeTron> though one sign that the ds is kind a clunky is the Opera browser
01:30 <DrJoeTron> takes about 3 minutes to load cnn.com
01:31 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS#Technology
01:32 <DrJoeTron> think of this thing as nothing more than a slightly over clocked, smaller N64
01:33 <Luke-Jr> N64 certainly was more than 67 MHz
01:36 <DrJoeTron> 	93.75 MHz NEC VR4300 :p
01:36 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that was super horrible for the n64 was the z buffer
01:41 <Luke-Jr> oooh
01:41 <Luke-Jr> you don't need to buy a cart
01:41 <Luke-Jr> just send it via Wifi!
01:41 <DrJoeTron> that involves some major hacking
01:41 <DrJoeTron> and a super stripped version of arma
01:42 <Luke-Jr> can't copy the whole game?
01:42 <DrJoeTron> its only a 4mb cache for download play
01:42 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:42 <Luke-Jr> Arma barely fits in 4 MB :)
01:42 <DrJoeTron> arma needs to be stripped 
01:42 <DrJoeTron> older versions yes
01:42 <Luke-Jr> 0.2.8
01:43 <Luke-Jr> the program itself, that is
01:43 <DrJoeTron> its a little more complicated than just sending it via wifi
01:44 <DrJoeTron> still involves me spending money on a wireless receiver
01:44 <DrJoeTron> for the pc
01:44 <DrJoeTron> i have the usb connector for the ds
01:44 <DrJoeTron> but the only thing i can do is turn it into an access point if i futz with the drivers
01:44 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:45 <Luke-Jr> emulate a DS on the PC
01:45 <DrJoeTron> there isnt a good one out yet
01:45 <Luke-Jr> well, you got plenty of time to test on an emu until it works
01:47 <DrJoeTron> it might be better to just do this off of the psp
01:47 <DrJoeTron> psp's hardware is far superior in comparison to the ds
01:47 <DrJoeTron> just the ds's has much better games for it
01:49 <Luke-Jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSlinuxShot.jpg
01:49 <Luke-Jr> and linux
01:55 <Luke-Jr> I think FTGL kills any hope of 4 MB AA
01:55 <DrJoeTron> FTGL?
01:56 <Luke-Jr> fonts
01:56 <DrJoeTron> oh
01:58 <DrJoeTron> http://ds.qj.net/ for any homebrew information
02:01 <Luke-Jr> actually nm
02:01 <Luke-Jr> Arma font is only 65k
02:01 <spidey> 4mb aa ?
02:03 <DrJoeTron> wait a minute
02:03 <DrJoeTron> what about the floppy version of arma
02:03 <DrJoeTron> anyone remember that post a while back?
02:04 <spidey> floppy version?
02:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 4 MB = Nintendo DS
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02:06 <DrJoeTron> thats all of the ds allows, without using a cartridge for Download Play
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02:07 <DrJoeTron> oh man, L and R could be used for turning :D
02:07 <spidey> lmao
02:09 <DrJoeTron> i'd much rather just get a flash cart
02:09 <DrJoeTron> see, here is the deal with download play
02:10 <DrJoeTron> when you download stuff, its there until you turn the system off
02:11 <DrJoeTron> found a fall project! http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/09/wow-your-friends-with-your-very-own-time-fountain/
02:12 <DrJoeTron> brb
02:27 <DrJoeTron> ko
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05:54 <Lucifer_arma> alrighty then, recompiling my kernel with profiling support
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06:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh fuck
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07:23 <spidey> mkzelda ?
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07:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> on one of my old home directories, I had 5.9GB hidden away in hidden directories
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08:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I saw reiser4 as an option when I configured my kernel earlier, do I really need to do what this page says?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Reiser4_With_Gentoo-Sources
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 bytes in GB
08:32 <armabot> 117,231,408 bytes = 0.109180257 gigabytes
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 blocks in GB
08:32 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> #g 117231408 blocks in sectors
08:39 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> -_-
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in gb
08:41 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
08:41 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> why does fdisk say that's 60.0 GB?
08:42 <spidey> #g 60022480896 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 1,024 = 58,615,704
08:42 <spidey> #g 58,615,704 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 58,615,704 / 1,024 = 57,241.8984
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08:42 <spidey> #g 57,241.8984 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 57,241.8984 / 1,024 = 55.9002914
08:43 <spidey> fdisk broken?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hdd: 60.0 GB, 60022480896 bytes
08:43 <spidey> maybe 55gb = used
08:43 <spidey> possibly?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> not according to df
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think the 55.9 number is right, though.  It looks very familiar (it's been awhile since I partitioned this drive)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hda: 61.4 GB, 61492838400 bytes
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 bytes in GB
08:45 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 bytes = 57.2696686 gigabytes
08:45 <spidey> lol
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk is smoking crack
08:45 <spidey> haha
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> where's wrtlprnft when you need him?
08:46 <spidey> sleeping?
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I saw a reiser4 option when I configured my kernel, do you know if that means I still have to download the patch and apply it?  Using gentoo-sources, not vanilla-sources.
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> he needs to go back to canada
08:47 <spidey> haha
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> ever since he got back to germany he's been completely unavailable
08:48 <spidey> i think he'll be on in about 1-2 hours
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm gonna go to bed so I'm not falling asleep during the test tomorrow
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully I'll be able to make more sense out of this reiser thing.  I want to redesign my partition layout on the server completely, and how I do that depends on this reiser thing
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14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone in here got icq?
14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (and having problems with it?)
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17:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so your bot and mine were having a fight?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.698152,12.631531&spn=0.025591,0.058022&t=h&om=1 <-- this is where i was
17:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6060 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added tools/values hack.
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: and i dunno about reiser4
18:00 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo-sources reiser4
18:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.97 seconds: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Installing Gentoo - The Developers ...: <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-189250-highlight-stage1+stage3.html>; Gentoo Forums :: View topic - 2.6.12-nitro5 "Make my day": <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-360178-start-100.html?sid=0f066058ddd63dd287afa2c99905368c>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Software: (3 more messages)
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6061 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (28 files in 6 dirs): beautify (uglyify, IMO)
18:05 <Luke-Jr> yay beautify-personal, I don't need to see the effects of beautify =p
18:06 <wrtlprnft> tabs suck
18:08 <Luke-Jr> tabs have a purpose
18:08 <Luke-Jr> they do not suck when used for that purpose
18:14 <wrtlprnft> nothing prevents you to pass your own options to rebeautify, that's what it was meant for
18:15 <wrtlprnft> then, before committing, you use the default params and rebeautify again
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
18:16 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
18:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '/www/beta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
18:19 <wrtlprnft> grr
18:24 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler wikiupdater
18:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhendler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "addhendler".
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
18:26 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> how do i get that? :s
18:27 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I don't recognize you.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #list user
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
18:29 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:30 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:31 <wrtlprnft> i hope it works...
18:31 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:32 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
18:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any chance i can get /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot or can you at least tell me what it does?
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19:03 <wrtlprnft> armabot is helping Vanhayes?
19:03 <Vanhayes> ?
19:04 <wrtlprnft> INFO 2006-08-10T19:04:37 help called by "Vanhayes!n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185153.nb.aliant.net".
19:04 <wrtlprnft> i was just looking over the console output of armabot
19:04 <Vanhayes> ah, ya I'm just using #help
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19:29 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: all it does is cd to ircstuff/plugins and do svn update
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's an anonymous checkout, but you might want to delete and recheck it out
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19:38 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: oh yeah, I had forgotten to take the startup command out of local.start and had recompiled my kernel with profiling support, and was fooling with it.
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: then I popped back over here and saw the two bots fighting.  Killed mine and took it out of local.start now so it won't happen again.
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think I answered my reiser question.  The kernel support that's there is for reiserFS, aka reiser 3.x and you have to do those instructions to get reiser4.  Are you using reiser4?
20:03 <guru3> hooked up a keyboard to my 770
20:03  * guru3 is chuffed
20:04 <guru3> it's just so cool
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20:06 <ghableska> hello
20:06 <guru3> hello
20:07 <guru3> or domo
20:07 <guru3> or konichiwa
20:07 <ghableska> hello is good enough :)
20:07 <guru3> grand
20:07 <guru3> testing my new keyboard
20:07 <ghableska> hehe
20:08 <ghableska> is it nice?
20:08 <guru3> seems to work mostly ok
20:08 <guru3> its miniature
20:08 <ghableska> ah
20:08 <guru3> and hooked up to my nokia 770 x(
20:08 <guru3> x)
20:08 <ghableska> O_o
20:08 <guru3> its printed for swedish layout
20:08 <guru3> but im using american mapping
20:08 <ghableska> cool
20:08 <guru3> so sometimes i hit the wrong key when i look instead of go by feel
20:08 <ghableska> hm
20:09 <guru3> it's like seeing blue written in yellow and being asked what color it is
20:09 <ghableska> hehe
20:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok :)
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdate
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdate not found.  Sorry.
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron armabotupdater /support/armabot cmd "nohup svn update /home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins &"
20:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that should work i think
20:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6062 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Fixed Yet Another Wrapping Bug: for a word that wouldn't fit onto a line the last character on the first line would be ignored.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6063 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp:
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Worked around inconsistent wall data that comes from old servers.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Optimized distance/alpha calculations a bit.
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6064 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp ui/uMenu.cpp): Rebeautified according to astyle.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man is the performance guy right now. He should go optimize the trunk :s
20:43 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit, to be exac
20:43 <wrtlprnft> t
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6065 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp tron/gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6055 to 6064:
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  Rebeautified according to astyle.
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21:02 <Lucifer_arma> when you make a partition, you're limited by blocks, right?  So if you specify a number of bytes that causes the boundary to fall in the middle of a block it gets clamped to the block?
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
21:04 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
21:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i guess so
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21:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/VValue#Random <-- shouldn't that rather be a function?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> and how do you send that to the client?
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: any idea how much space is saved on a reiserFS vs ext3 when you have lots of little files?
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I could do a trial run with the portage directory, heh
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's quite a bit
21:19 <wrtlprnft> i'm using reiserfs for everything
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't just repartition and reformat, the machine has to be running in the meantime.  :)  So I've got 55GB to work with right now and I'm trying to decide if I should split up /var and /usr from /
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I will definitely be pulling /boot off to its own partition in a bit, after I get that far
21:21 <wrtlprnft> /boot only needs like 32MB
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it doesn't need much :)
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> what it really needs is to be isolated from the rest of the system.  iirc, you can unmount it after the machine is booted up.
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> actually it doesn't matter a lot if I'm not going to dual-boot linuxes, but I was thinking of backing it up with a raw image in addition to backing up the files
21:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't even need to mount it at all
21:27 <wrtlprnft> it's used by grub only
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> really?  that's interesting, I didn't know that at all
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I only need to mount it to back it up
21:29 <wrtlprnft> and to update the kernel
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> right.  :)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> test \n tesz
21:29 <wrtlprnft> finally
21:29  * Lucifer_arma just learned he had to pick kernel sources with eselect and finally got his kernel updated
21:29 <wrtlprnft> irssi was expanding \n to a newline
21:30 <wrtlprnft> which is great for code pastes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> "great"
21:34 <wrtlprnft> armabot's gonna step out for a second
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #quit
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21:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, armabot is eating 5.3% of my memory after startup
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow.  I don't think it ate that much memory after startup when I had it.
21:47 <wrtlprnft> depends on how much memory you have ;)
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> 256MB
21:49 <wrtlprnft> 128
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I also had two bots running :)
21:49 <wrtlprnft> well, they'll share the python interpreter
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> so /usr is 6GB, /usr/portage is 2GB, and apparently I need a max of 4GB to hold packages on /usr
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> the two bots ran in separate processes and only shared the interpreter on disk, but it was loaded separately in memory
21:51 <wrtlprnft> no, they'll share constants and the binary i think
21:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ??? re Random
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896/512
21:53 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 512 = 117,231,408
21:53 <wrtlprnft> well, how shall the client and the server get the same random value?
21:53 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: /boot doesn't need to be a seperate partition, nor does it need to be mounted *ever*
21:54 <wrtlprnft> a) Lucifer_arma doesn't have it on a separate partition right now
21:54 <wrtlprnft> b) i already told him he doesn't have to mount it
21:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: a predictable random algorithm?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I absolutely don't need you ever telling me how I should set up my computer
21:54 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I'm not, just telling you that it doesn't need either of those things
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, making a separate partition for /boot is "best practice" for a lot of reasons, and you're just not in a position to overrule that in my mind
21:55 <wrtlprnft> [blocks B     ] ~media-libs/openal-20050504 (is blocking media-libs/freealut-1.0.1)
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: which one shall i keep?
21:55 <Luke-Jr> of course you can always opt to do them anyway-- I usually make a /boot partition and leave it unmounted myself
21:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what either are
21:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I have no idea what they are
21:57 <wrtlprnft> looks like openal changed their versioning system somehow and they conflict
21:57 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-485036-highlight-freealut.html
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> does reiserfs 3.whatever support quotas?  I seem to recall seeing that it does...
21:58 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I think so-- IIRC, it just lacks ACLs
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> dn't need acls, regular posix permissions are fine for me :)
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> need quotas though, or my backup plan goes to shit in /home
21:59 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild     U ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810-1.6.4 [1.6.1] USE="dri -debug" 434 kB
21:59 <wrtlprnft> sweet.
21:59 <Luke-Jr> I imagine any filesystem needs quotas to be taken seriously these days
21:59 <wrtlprnft> hope it fixes some issues :s
21:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: IIRC, Intel just release source for some new drivers
21:59 <wrtlprnft> for some new cards
21:59 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_User_Quota's  <--- this says it does
22:00 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't know there was an update for older cards too
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> is that going to give you more fps?  :)
22:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:00 <wrtlprnft> hope it will, but that's not the main thing
22:00 <wrtlprnft> will i be able to close my notebook again?
22:01 <Luke-Jr> again?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> currently the screen stays black after opening it no matter what i do
22:01 <Luke-Jr> if it used to work, why not downgrade?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> with <xorg-7 it worked
22:01 <Luke-Jr> oh
22:01 <Luke-Jr> that's why XD
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> in fdisk, what exactly do the start and end columns refer to?  cylinders?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> if i only knew...
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 979933/121
22:02 <armabot> 979,933 / 121 = 8,098.61983
22:02 <wrtlprnft> i messed up some things like that already
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i was trying to resize a filesystem, and i couldn't get resizereiserfs or whatever to match the size of fdisk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> I think there's still a few megs of space wasted because I didn't wanna risk losing my data
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm being totally freaking anal about this
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk -u will give you size listings in sectors
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> a sector is 512 bytes, iirc, and numSectors * 512 gives the size of the hard drive
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> in bytes, that is
22:11 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, sector size varies from HD to HD
22:12 <Luke-Jr> in theory, anyway
22:12 <wrtlprnft> what about having it display bytes? :s
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> no option, apparently.  I don't think that would be useful anyway if partitions are clamped by sector like they appear to be
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's a unit in there that is defined as the same size for all hard drives.  It may be sector, it might be track.  Certainly, I don't remember which it is, but it's the atomic unit as far as partitioning goes, I think.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> Sorry, too late now. Place that in your .screenrc file.    
22:15 <wrtlprnft> guess i'm gonna restart screen
22:15 <wrtlprnft> grr
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22:21 <Lucifer_arma>  /dev/hdd5        20900628    22523129      811251   83  Linux
22:21 <Lucifer_arma>  /dev/hdd5            1302        1402      811251   83  Linux
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> which one is showing me an atomic unit?  is it the second entry or the first?  both are the same partition, the first shows sectors, the second is fdisk default
22:22 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> use qtparted :P
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> NO!
22:22 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in a few more versions, but qtparted is the program that currently has the highest likelihood of trashing my partition table earlier this summer
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> besides, while you were gone I said:
22:23  * Lucifer_arma is tired of saying "8GB" and getting "7.9GB"
22:23 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i'm supposed to have 1GB of ram...
22:23 <wrtlprnft> really i have 1010MB
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> that irritates me too.  I have some sticks back there that are like that.  Not in my server right now, though.  :)
22:25  * wrtlprnft hates dealing with hardware
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, looks like I need to use the second entry, which is cylinders like I suspected
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> er no, read that wrong, it doesn't say anything like that :(
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it asks for cylinders.  :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> grr, how can i get screen to change the konsole window title?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> zsh does that nicely, but screen won
22:29 <wrtlprnft> 't pass it on to the terminal
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, screen does it for me just fine
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22:31 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, cylinders is the magic number that partitions are clamped on, and it looks like the operation is truncate
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, screen works nicely for me
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, it works
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but not the way i'd like it to work
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing all my long emerges in a screen session and I use the title of the konsole window for my progress report
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> now I want the largest unit I can get for size that is an integer and as close to GB as possible.  But GB is an irrational number for this hard drive, so I can't just use it.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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22:34 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7296
22:34 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,296 = 8,226,765.47
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn, just lost it completely, the first conversion went to a real number :(
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> s/real/rational
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I did it wrong
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7297
22:35 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,297 = 8,225,638.06
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7298
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,298 = 8,224,510.95
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, if I'm going to use an approximation, I'll use GB directly :)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g 7297/55.9002914
22:37 <armabot> 7,297 / 55.9002914 = 130.535992
22:41 <wrtlprnft> well, if someone sees ed (with one d) coming in here at any time, tell him to be patient as i'm always there but not always active :)
22:42 <wrtlprnft> some people who aren't used to IRC tend to leave withing 5 minutes if noone replies
22:42 <wrtlprnft> or to this sleepy channel
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60.0/1053
23:50 <armabot> 60.0 / 1,053 = 0.056980057
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23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8/1053
23:50 <armabot> 8 / 1,053 = 0.00759734093
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8*1024/1053
23:51 <armabot> (8 * 1,024) / 1,053 = 7.77967711
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00:36 <Lucifer_arma> quick, how many cylinders do I need for a 9GB partition?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 bytes in GB
00:38 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 bytes = 57.2696686 gigabytes
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g 21587332 * 1024
00:40 <armabot> 21,587,332 * 1,024 = 22,105,427,968
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 22,105,427,968 bytes in GB
00:41 <armabot> 22,105,427,968 bytes = 20.5872841 gigabytes
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 43514/20.5872841
00:43 <armabot> 43,514 / 20.5872841 = 2,113.63479
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2,113.63479 / 1024
00:44 <armabot> 2,113.63479 / 1,024 = 2.06409647
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 / 119150
00:49 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 / 119,150 = 516,096
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01:35 <luke-jr_> upgrading to modular X now...
01:35  * luke-jr_ gave in
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01:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5 GB in MB
01:50 <armabot> 5 gigabytes = 5,120 megabytes
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to copy a file without changing the destination's modified time attribute?
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01:59 <Lucifer_arma> I might be about to totally fuck over my server
02:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes
02:18 <luke-jr_> cp -a
02:19 <luke-jr_> you can also copy just the mtime with touch DEST -r SRC
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02:38 <luke-jr_> guru3: !!!!!!!!!
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i sure hope the Wii doesnt use Nintendo Wifi Connection the way the ds does
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i mean, unless they WANT to lose money
02:52 <luke-jr_> why are the forums down? >:O
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03:02 <Vanhayes> A HA! I finally found my user.cfg file, it was in C:\Documents and Settings\UsernameHere\Application Data\Armagetron\var which was a hidden file
03:02 <Vanhayes> damn that was hard to find, it didnt show up in a a search at all
03:02 <luke-jr_> that's where it's supposed to be, yes
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03:03 <Vanhayes> really? I thought it was supposed to be in config folder...
03:04 <Luke-Jr> config folder is for the system, not the user
03:15 <Vanhayes> whatever was wrong with 0.3 for me was fixed when I deleted user_3_0.cfg just now
03:15 <Vanhayes> it works fine now
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05:13 <spidey> #g 21.1%+6.8%+86.5%
05:13 <armabot> (21.1%) + (6.8%) + (86.5%) = 1.14400
05:13 <spidey> hmm
05:13 <spidey> #g 21.1+6.8+86.5
05:13 <armabot> 21.1 + 6.8 + 86.5 = 114.4
05:13 <spidey> ah
05:13  * spidey feels stupid
05:14 <spidey> #g 21.1+6.8
05:14 <armabot> 21.1 + 6.8 = 27.9
05:14 <spidey> 69.1% left
05:15 <spidey> take off 10% for the footer
05:15 <spidey> yay,fixed
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06:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: what's with the forums?
06:23 <spidey> hmm
06:24 <spidey> #g 70% in px
06:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:24 <spidey> bastard
06:24 <spidey> oh
06:24 <spidey> #g 70% in pixels
06:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:24 <spidey> -_-
06:24 <[dlh]_> er...
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06:25 <Vanhayes> wtf, 70% in pixels???
06:26 <spidey> it's css
06:26 <spidey> webdesign
06:26 <Vanhayes> my as well try 70% in houses
06:26 <spidey> i need to convert the equal to 70% in pixels
06:26 <spidey> houses?
06:26 <Vanhayes> ...
06:26 <Vanhayes> 70% of what?
06:26 <spidey> 70% of the browser height
06:26 <spidey> ok say
06:26 <spidey> browser width = 100%
06:26 <spidey> and same for the height
06:27 <spidey> if you wanna posistion layers
06:27 <spidey> you gotta split it up
06:27 <spidey> so
06:27 <spidey> say you want 2 boxes
06:27 <spidey> it would be like
06:27 <Vanhayes> no browser height would = a number not a percentage, I thought
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> you shouldn't be specifying height for the most part
06:27 <spidey> why?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> only under very exceptional circumstances should you specify height
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> because :)
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> umm, actually
06:28 <spidey> ok here's what i got so far
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> normally you let the browser render it and you just specify widths and approximate placement
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> give the browser hints on where it goes, and then let the browser decide where to put it
06:28 <spidey> yea
06:28 <spidey> i use fluid
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> then check to make sure it looks good in the browsers you care about
06:28 <spidey> perecnts
06:28 <spidey> the browser resizes it then
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, em is a good "hard" measurement if you want a width that doesn't resize
06:29 <spidey> i only care about firefox ;x
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> however, the browser will invariably fuck you over if you try to specify height
06:29 <spidey> i want it to resize
06:29 <spidey> that's the point of this
06:29 <spidey> i could make it only 1280x1024
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> some browsers (even the same browser on different operating systems) have different-sized fonts
06:29 <spidey> specify a font size
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I read that you were trying to set the height for something, so wanted to jump in and say not to
06:29 <spidey> in html,body add font-size: 11;
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> aha, what unit are you going to use for font size?
06:29 <spidey> or whatever
06:30 <spidey> it's css
06:30 <spidey> not tables :p
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> and what unit are you going to use for font size?
06:30 <[dlh]> 11 what?
06:30 <spidey> -_-
06:30 <spidey> ok go here
06:30 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
06:30 <spidey> you see that font size?
06:30 <spidey> that's font-size: 11;
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> 11 what?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> points?  pixels?
06:30 <spidey> -_-
06:31 <spidey> i don't know
06:31 <spidey> i just know how it works
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> it matters!  It matters because if you specify points, depending on the dpi of the browser reading it, the size will be *different*
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> if you specify pixels, then on Windows and Mac the font size will be different because pixels are different sizes there
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> (mac os x runs at 90 dpi, iirc, or maybe windows does and mac is higher)
06:32 <Vanhayes> all I was saying is you cant expect to get 70% of anything without giving the total
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, css rule number 1:  ALWAYS put a unit on every number you put in (except colors)
06:32 <spidey> windows runs on whatever you set it to
06:32 <spidey> i got mine at 75dpi
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha, so users might even have it set differently :)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> my x.org is set at 75dpi.  :)
06:32 <spidey> i don't care about font size
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> then why did you specify it in the css?
06:32 <spidey> so it looks good to me!
06:33 <spidey> skrew what it looks like to everyone else
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> but it may be unreadable to other people
06:33 <spidey> i made it for me to overlook stats
06:33 <spidey> if someone else wants to
06:33 <spidey> ok
06:33 <spidey> if not i don't care :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't care what it looks like to anybody else, then why bother putting it on the web in the first place?
06:33 <spidey> so
06:33 <spidey> i
06:33 <spidey> can
06:33 <spidey> see
06:33 <spidey> it
06:33 <spidey> i don't want to run a local webserver just to view stats
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> cat statfile.txt > /dev/null
06:34 <spidey> the point is so
06:34 <spidey> i don't have to do multi ssh sessions
06:34 <spidey> i get one from luke
06:34 <spidey> and one from my webserver
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> ssh someplaceorother startkde
06:34 <spidey> it's easier this way ggkthnx
06:34  * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma for being a Luke-Jr
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> pardon me, I was trying to help you with css and got bitched at, so I bitched back
06:35 <spidey> -_-
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll ignore text that looks like: "spidey needs help!"
06:36 <spidey> spidey only asked the bot what 70% in pixels was
06:36 <[dlh]> ...
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> which clearly says "spidey needs help"
06:36 <Vanhayes> ... is right
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> because any fucking idiot knows a percentage is a ratio
06:37 <spidey> 'er
06:37 <Vanhayes> #g 70% of 100 in pixels
06:37 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> and in order to convert any percentage to any other unit, you *must* know the whole of that unit
06:37 <spidey> well
06:37 <spidey> i know this
06:37 <spidey> 40px = 7.3%
06:37 <spidey> i did that,and got it perfect
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> resize your browser
06:37 <spidey> i did
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> and the size of the box changed, right?
06:38 <spidey> ya
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not 40 pixels anymore, right?
06:38  * spidey minimizes,i'll be back when i'm done -_-
06:38  * Lucifer_arma celebrates
06:39 <spidey> ok nvm
06:39 <spidey> i'll finish
06:39 <spidey> see
06:39 <spidey> the footer = 7.3%
06:39 <spidey> right?
06:39 <[dlh]> no
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> width, right?
06:39 <spidey> height
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> because afaik, you can't specify height with a percentage anyway
06:39  * spidey mentally ignores dlh
06:39 <spidey> anyways
06:39 <spidey> you specify the center and the header
06:39 <spidey> by the time you're done
06:39 <spidey> it all falls in place
06:40 <spidey> so
06:40 <spidey> if you do it RIGHT
06:40 <spidey> 7.3% = 40px
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, because if you resize your browser, the page dimensions change
06:40 <spidey> yes
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> let's assume that you can give a percentage for a height for a minute, ok?
06:40 <spidey> which is it changing for res's
06:40 <spidey> that's a fluid page
06:41 <spidey> which is what i'm doing
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> if your height is what you say it is when the browser is 600pixels in width, then when you resize to 300 pixels in width, the height of the page will increase and 7.3% will be more than 40 pixels
06:41 <spidey> i'm working with one res,when i'm done i'll resize the browser
06:41 <spidey> if it looks good i'll use it
06:41 <spidey> if not i'll go back and fix it
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> the exact effect it has will actually be somewhat unpredictable
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> which is why I say you specify only width with percentages, and only height when you can use a unit like em
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> because em is a unit size that depends on the font size that's in effect, so when the font size changes for some reason, so does the size of the box
06:42 <spidey> if you use percents it changes
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> if you specify the width, it still changes height, because it keeps the width in the percent you gave it and expands downward as needed
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> however, if you give it a height and its contents are larger than that height, then they will spill out the bottom
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> in firefox, anyway.  I understand IE will just self-destruct and take your monitor with it
06:43 <spidey> IE sucks
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you only ever specify a height for anything when you can guarantee the content will never be large enough to spill out the bottom
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> use padding to deal with the space between the border and the text/image if you need to, and give it the width you want
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> then let it be as tall as you want.  That's the Right Way.  Of course, you don't have to do it that way.
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, let it be as tall as *it* wants
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know why tank disabled the forums?
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07:16 <luke-jr_> Xgl is buggy
07:16 <luke-jr_> fyi
07:24 <spidey> #g 100-82 / 2
07:24 <armabot> 100 - (82 / 2) = 59
07:24 <spidey> #g 100-82
07:24 <armabot> 100 - 82 = 18
07:25 <luke-jr_> #g 293-2123+248*2283/1381+238
07:25 <armabot> 293 - 2,123 + ((248 * 2,283) / 1,381) + 238 = -1,182.01883
07:25 <luke-jr_> fun
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07:26 <spidey> #g 77+10+13
07:26 <armabot> 77 + 10 + 13 = 100
07:27 <spidey> O.o
07:45 <spidey> [21:45] ( Lucifer_arma ) so you only ever specify a height for anything when you can guarantee the content will never be large enough to spill out the bottom
07:45 <spidey> there's a fix for that,d00
07:45 <spidey> it's called overflow: auto;
07:45 <spidey> ;)
07:45 <spidey> it'll then do like this
07:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/score2.php
07:46 <spidey> wait
07:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/scores2.php
07:46 <spidey> there
07:46 <spidey> overflow: auto; fixes it spilling over the div layer
07:47 <spidey> and btw
07:47 <spidey> i fixed the site
07:47 <spidey> it works at all browser sizes unless it's unreasonably small
07:52 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/test.html
07:52 <spidey> see? :p
07:53 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/test.htm
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09:20 <guru3> the forums did someone say?
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09:37 <wrtlprnft> font-size: 11; is NOT valid CSS nor is it defined what unit it should be. Browsers will most likely pick one of pt, px or em
09:37 <wrtlprnft> font sizes should always be in em where possible. That font sizes differ according to browser settings is a Good Thing (TM)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Vanhayes "Application Data" is a hidden dir, you need to check to search for those. 0.3.1 will have a menu item that shows you the location of user*.cfg
10:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the forums were locked for awhile
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11:30 <eddiefantastic> #list
11:30 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Weather
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Error: 'Weather' is not a valid plugin.
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Goofle
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Error: 'Goofle' is not a valid plugin.
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Google
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
11:32 <eddiefantastic> #armaservers
11:32 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Unable to download feed.
11:33 <eddiefantastic> #armaconfig
11:33 <armabot> eddiefantastic: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
11:35 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic == ed?
12:16 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/
12:16 <spidey> woot
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16:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: wtf? font sizes should never be in em or ex
16:11 <luke-jr_> em/ex are defined *by* font-size
16:11 <luke-jr_> font sizes should be a percentage value
16:22 <GodTodd> tell that to the w3c
16:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/fonts.html#font-size-props
16:29 <wrtlprnft> > On all other properties, 'em' and 'ex' length values refer to the computed font size of the current element. On the 'font-size' property, these length units refer to the computed font size of the parent element.
16:29 <wrtlprnft> ie 1.5 em means the same as 150%
16:30 <GodTodd> don't confuse the issue with facts ;)
16:30 <wrtlprnft> heh
16:31 <luke-jr_> I guess that means the measure is in height
16:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> font-size:2em; and font-size:200%; are equivalent
16:31 <luke-jr_> if 1.5em = 150% and 1em = height of font, then font-size's value is a height
16:31 <wrtlprnft> it is
16:32 <wrtlprnft> what else should it be?
16:32 <luke-jr_> square units?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> width isn't reasonable for a proportional font
16:32 <luke-jr_> sqrt(width^2 * height^2)
16:32 <wrtlprnft> the the letter i would be higher than the letter m?!
16:33 <luke-jr_> really, it could be anything and a properly designed website would still work fine
16:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: obviously it works with averages of some sort-- 'i' is also taller than 'm'
16:34 <wrtlprnft> then take i and M
16:34 <luke-jr_> anyhow, percentage values don't rely on an exception =p
16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
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20:57 <spidey> hmm
20:59 <wrtlprnft> mmh
21:00  * spidey is trying to make a phpport scanner
21:01 <spidey> $if ($port = 4534)
21:01 <wrtlprnft> $if?
21:01 <spidey> echo "Online";
21:01 <spidey> } else { echo "offline" }
21:01 <wrtlprnft> will always say "Online"
21:01 <spidey> no
21:02 <spidey> -$ on if
21:02 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php?source=aap_serverinfo.php
21:04 <spidey> doesn't that return all servers?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no, it lets you query one particular server
21:05 <wrtlprnft> the problem with querying a server is that you need to send something valid and have it reply.
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it's UDP, not TCP
21:05 <spidey> ya
21:06 <wrtlprnft>         $si = new aap_serverinfo();
21:06 <wrtlprnft>         if ($si->load($i))
21:06 <wrtlprnft>             $serverinfo[] = $si;
21:06 <wrtlprnft> that's how you use that piece of code
21:07 <wrtlprnft> where $i is an array("host" => "someip", "port" => 1234)
21:07 <wrtlprnft> and $serverinfo will contain various information about the server, try print_r($serverinfo) to get it all
21:08 <spidey> arma runs on 4534 right?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> by default.
21:16 <DrJoeTron> boogboogboogboog
21:16  * DrJoeTron needs to become an audio engineer in 3 days
21:17 <spidey> that's to advanced for me
21:17 <spidey> i suck at php :D
21:21 <spidey> besides,that returns everything
21:21 <spidey> i only want online/offline :s
21:27 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/aap_master.php
21:27 <spidey> lol
21:36 <Vanhayes> er whats supposed to be on that page spidey ?
21:37 <Vanhayes> all it shows for me is: a:0:{}
21:38 <wrtlprnft> put the file i linked to somewhere. then you can figure out if your server is online in just a few lines
21:38 <wrtlprnft> <?php
21:38 <wrtlprnft> include('aap_master.php');
21:38 <wrtlprnft> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
21:39 <wrtlprnft> if($si->load(array('host' => "yourip", )))
21:39 <wrtlprnft> if($si->load(array('host' => "yourip", 'port' => "4534")))
21:39 <wrtlprnft> {
21:39 <wrtlprnft> echo "online";
21:39 <wrtlprnft> } else {
21:39 <wrtlprnft> echo "offline";
21:39 <wrtlprnft> }
21:40 <spidey> hmm
21:40 <spidey> k
21:40 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php
21:40 <spidey> doesn't poll the servers ;s
21:41 <wrtlprnft> i know. the master it uses is down it seems
21:41 <spidey> ya
21:41 <wrtlprnft> but the code for polling a single server should work
21:42 <spidey> i changed it but it still doesn't load for me :s
21:42 <spidey> kk
21:43 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/serverlist.php
21:53 <wrtlprnft> wow. I thought bittorrent was supposed to be fast.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> i'm getting 17KB/s downrate on a torrent. Even the busiest HTTP server could give me more
21:55 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it's accelerating. 240KB/s
21:56 <wrtlprnft> still not optimum, but OK. My connection would go up to waay more
22:00 <wrtlprnft> omg 1MB/s. That is fast!
22:06 <wrtlprnft> hah, nothing with 1MB/s. It says that, but really the file grows by like 50KB/s
22:06 <wrtlprnft> screw bittorrent, HTTP is faster
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22:15 <spidey> wrtlprnft my point
22:15 <spidey> bittorent sucks
22:16 <wrtlprnft> p2p sucks
22:16 <spidey> i get 40x the speed on p2p that i do on bittorrent
22:17 <spidey> p2p always maxes out my downstream
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it all sucks, buy floppies
22:17 <spidey> ....
22:17 <spidey> why would i want a floppy? :p
22:17 <wrtlprnft> because it sucks less.
22:17 <spidey> i don't think i have 1 thing on this computer that would fit on a floppy
22:18 <wrtlprnft> /dev/null would
22:18 <spidey> Uptime: 19hrs 33mins 52secs Record Uptime: 6days 19hrs 5mins 37secs
22:18 <spidey> hmm
22:18 <spidey> anyways
22:18 <wrtlprnft> errm
22:18 <spidey> windows
22:18 <wrtlprnft>  22:20:01 up 23 days, 17 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.19, 0.12, 0.08
22:18 <wrtlprnft>  22:18:52 up 20 days,  8:01,  8 users,  load average: 1.22, 0.90, 0.64
22:18 <spidey> i had a power outage at 6 days
22:19 <wrtlprnft> first one is my server, 2nd this laptop
22:19 <spidey> that was gay :(
22:19 <wrtlprnft>  20:20:59 up 21 days,  7:56,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
22:19 <wrtlprnft> that's aabeta
22:19 <wrtlprnft>  21:21:33 up 15 days,  7:14,  6 users,  load average: 0.18, 0.30, 0.27
22:19 <wrtlprnft> that's ed's server
22:20 <spidey> [spidey@venture ~/]$ uptime
22:20 <spidey> 8:21PM up 597 days, 20:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.14, 0.10, 0.09
22:20 <wrtlprnft> x_x
22:20 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
22:20 <spidey> 21:22:14 up 49 days, 2:47, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.01
22:20 <spidey> my server's down
22:21 <spidey> my mom broke her computer so i'm letting her use one of mine untill i fix it
22:21 <spidey> now she has to learn linux
22:21 <spidey> mwhahaha
22:22 <wrtlprnft> if i knew ph's IP right now i could tell you his
22:22 <wrtlprnft> but he's probably offline anyways
22:23 <wrtlprnft> that makes 5 machines to SSH to
22:23 <spidey> i got 4
22:23 <spidey> 2 of luke-jr's and 2 servers
22:23 <spidey> i'll have 5 when i get my server back
22:24 <spidey> just waiting for a powersupply -_-
22:24 <spidey> though
22:24 <spidey> i don't really use luke-jr's O.o
22:25 <spidey> Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: aap_serverinfo in /home/acid/public_html/serverlist.php on line 3
22:25 <spidey> what's that mean
22:26 <spidey> O.o
22:28 <guru3> i want a 2d client for armagetron
22:28 <spidey> cockpitview?
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> just comment out all the 3D rendering and use the HUD map
22:40 <spidey> bah
22:40 <spidey> i gotta help someone move tomorrow
22:40 <spidey> -_-
22:41 <wrtlprnft> good.
22:42 <spidey> oh i'll be back
22:42 <spidey> besides it'll only be over the period of time you're asleep
22:42 <wrtlprnft> sure?
22:42 <spidey> ya
22:43 <spidey> i'll be leaving at about 9pm my time,and get back at 6am
22:44 <wrtlprnft> 6am at your place = 1pm here
22:46 <spidey> so i'll be here :p
22:47 <spidey> i could wake up a bit early and come home
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that error means you hve a line like this:  $something = new SomeClass();
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: but the file that defines SomeClass is not being included.  So it's non-existent
22:48 <spidey> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i gave him the code that should work
22:48 <spidey> tis what wartl told me to do
22:48 <wrtlprnft> his fault if it doesn't
22:48 <spidey> is not
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> <?php
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> include('aap_master.php');
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <spidey> i copy/pasted
22:48 <spidey> <?php
22:48 <spidey> include('aap_master.php');
22:48 <spidey> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", )))
22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", 'port' => "4534")))
22:48 <spidey> {
22:48 <spidey> echo "online";
22:48 <spidey> } else {
22:48 <spidey> echo "offline";
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", )))
22:48 <spidey> }
22:48 <spidey> ?>
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that one's a typo, obviously
22:48 <spidey> ?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> i pressed return accidently
22:50 <wrtlprnft> and aap_serverinfo.php needs to be included
22:50 <spidey> i'll bbl
22:50 <spidey> gonna go get some pot -_-
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sewing today
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was down to 1 pair of pants, and I just wore them for like 4 weeks without washing.  They've gotten pretty gritty, heh.
22:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> So now I'm going through all my ripped pants and fixing them, because they're all clean.  :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> APparently I lost a little weight recently, too, because some pants that didn't fit now fit.
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23:06 <spidey> i hate my uncle
23:06 <spidey> fucker now says we're not leaving for 30 mintues
23:07 <spidey> -_-
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I hate your uncle too
23:07 <spidey> haha
23:07 <spidey> ok now lets see
23:07 <spidey> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mb_convert_encoding() in /home/acid/public_html/aap_serverinfo.php on line 98
23:08 <spidey> this is where i miss kwrite
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> mb_convert_encoding() is a php built-in that wasn't built in
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> if your'e in gentoo, you probably need a use flag to enable it.  Don't know about any other OS, Mandriva had it compiled in so it was always available to me
23:10 <spidey> webserver is fedora
23:10 <spidey> ok got it
23:10 <spidey> just excluded return mb_convert_encoding($out, 'UTF-8', 'ISO-8859-1');
23:11 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/serverlist.php
23:11 <spidey> thanks wrtl :D
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha, my daughter just said "Have you seen the cannonball man?" and I thought she said...
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> "Have you seen the cannibal man?"
23:13 <spidey> lmao
23:14 <spidey> lets see
23:14 <spidey> brb
23:16 <spidey> <?php
23:16 <spidey> if (!isset($_GET['goto'])) include 'home.php';
23:16 <spidey> if(is_file($_GET['goto'] . ".php")) include htmlspecialchars($_GET['goto'] . ".php");
23:16 <spidey> ?>
23:16 <spidey> should make stuff tons easier ;x
23:16 <wrtlprnft> umm, that's not safe.
23:16 <spidey> ?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yourpage?goto=/etc/passwd
23:17 <wrtlprnft> hmm, won't work directly like that since it adds .php
23:17 <spidey> :p
23:17 <wrtlprnft> still isn't really safe
23:17 <DrJoeTron> stupid armaserver
23:18 <DrJoeTron> it wont work untill i restart :(
23:18 <spidey> ?
23:18 <DrJoeTron> crashed and wont come back
23:18 <spidey> btw
23:19 <spidey> well nvm
23:20 <DrJoeTron> looks like il be getting back into the homebrew community
23:20 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/ds-xtreme-gives-drag-n-drop-capability-to-your-nintendo-ds/ about time they did it right
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> nice, no price i can see though
23:35 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
23:35 <DrJoeTron> thats because its free :p
23:36 <DrJoeTron> at least i wish it was
23:36 <DrJoeTron> 512mb could come in handy
23:36 <spidey> oh shit
23:36 <spidey> i think i just found a way to crash firefox >.<!!
23:37 <spidey> CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz, 512 KB (100% Load) Memory: 344/504 MB
23:37 <spidey> yup
23:37 <spidey> damn it
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> firefox and arma always crash
23:38 <spidey> lol
23:38 <spidey> somhow i managed to include my index file
23:38 <spidey> and it just kept loading over and over
23:38  * spidey notes he sucks at php :D
23:44 <DrJoeTron> i miss invader :(
23:45 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:46 <DrJoeTron> i haventheard from him in a while
23:46 <DrJoeTron> oh man, so one of my friends got my a full body ds lite protector
23:49 <DrJoeTron> made me pick up canvas curse again
23:49 <DrJoeTron> and then make me realize why i stopped playing

Log from 2006-08-12:
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00:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ, how long have I had these pants?!?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I got part way down my stitching to close up the hole and realized I was stitching over a previous repair job
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to recommend dockers pretty highly for pants, I must have done this previous repair job over 3 years ago
00:09 <DrJoeTron> new metalocolypse
00:10 <spidey> yay
00:10 <spidey> done and now my life will be much easier
00:11 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
00:15 <luke-jr_> what do you all think of http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/website ?
00:16 <spidey> the colors don't match
00:16 <spidey> besides that looks good :D
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> pastel
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bah.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bzflag sucks!
00:18 <wrtlprnft> don't host it
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> make a note saying us dollars only you dont want someone sending you 5000 rupels
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, he does want someone sending 5000 pounds
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5000 pounds in USD
00:21 <armabot> 5,000 British pounds = 9,509.5 U.S. dollars
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 currency of turkey in usd
00:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:21 <Your_mom_arma> commented out on the page ;-) <li class="note">** Subject to additional charges</li>
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 turkish lira in usd
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized all of my pants are dockers.  No wonder they're all old, when they rip, I fix them, and keep on wearing them
00:22 <armabot> 5,000 Turkish lira = 3,448.03807 U.S. dollars
00:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
00:22 <wrtlprnft> that's wrong
00:22 <wrtlprnft> turkish lira are worth, like, noting
00:22 <wrtlprnft> *nothing
00:22 <wrtlprnft> 1 million is about a dollar
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm going to patch beige pants with black material :)
00:23 <wrtlprnft> > On January 1, 2005 a new currency, the Yeni T�rk Liras? (YTL, ISO 4217: TRY), was introduced to Turkey. The currency was revalued and is worth 1,000,000 old Lira.
00:23 <wrtlprnft> ah, so they changed it
00:23 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Lira
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 rupees in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1,000 Pakistan rupees = 16.5884521 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1 Old Turkish lira = 6.89607613 * 10^(-7) U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> hah
00:25 <wrtlprnft> that's the right value
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 5,000 Old Turkish liras = 0.00344803807 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 eur in trl
00:25 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.86352351 million Old Turkish liras
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i'm multimillionaire!
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 loonie in USD
00:30 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in USD
00:30 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 0.89198109 U.S. dollars
00:31 <Vanhayes> not bad
00:32 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in yen
00:32 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 102.702703 Japanese yen
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: i probably won't
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it crashes my PC
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and eats bandwidth
00:43 <wrtlprnft> it sucks and is cheatable
00:43 <wrtlprnft> all the game physics happen on the clients
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ie you can teleport your tank, the server doesn't care
00:43 <wrtlprnft> you can not die after being shot, the server won't care
00:44 <spidey> wtf
00:44 <spidey> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class aap_master in /home/acid/public_html/server/aap_master.php on line 29
00:44 <spidey> both scrips are identical
00:44 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:44 <spidey> :-s
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> weee.  I woke up this morning with 1 good pair of pants, now I have 4
00:45 <spidey> weird
00:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/server/server2.php
00:45 <spidey> it works there
00:45 <spidey> :s
00:47 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/forum.php
00:47 <spidey> wrtlprnft, any ideas? :s
00:47 <spidey> it works untill i include
00:48 <spidey> although i included both scripts the exact same
00:48 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like you're including the file twice
00:49 <wrtlprnft> use include_once instead of include
00:50 <spidey> i'm including aap_master and aap_serverinfo in 2 different files
00:50 <wrtlprnft> you don't need aap_master at all
00:50 <wrtlprnft> and just use include_once everywhere, then you'll be safe
00:51 <spidey> ok
00:51 <spidey> thanks :D
00:52 <wrtlprnft> yw
00:55 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:55 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:31 <Lucifer_arma> require_once() will cause an error if the file can't be found, include_once only gives a warning, and if your host has warnings disabled you won't see it
01:32 <spidey> i could make it produce a error
01:32 <spidey> if the files not there,but that's not the problem
01:32 <spidey> :s
01:33 <spidey> anyways i got it all now
01:33 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
01:35 <spidey> my site comes to a huge 83kb
01:35 <spidey> :D
01:35 <spidey> that's everything except the forums
01:50 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
01:50 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> 01:34 <Your_mom<font size="3">_arma> cannibalism cures obesity</font>
02:01 <spidey> lol
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> how many days in that chat log?
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02:11 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Unable to download feed.
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03:06 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have 6 pairs of pants now.  :)
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04:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6066 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: a <=> b -- Expr::Comparison::Compare
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
05:55 <DrJoeTron> stupid alt tab breaking arma
06:00 <GodTodd> i'm here...was leaving a dump
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06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6067 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp:
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Add a missing include
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Uncomment code that somebody apparently decided to take the liberty to comment out :/
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: (so Arma compiles)
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> aha
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> um, I just added the filebrowser component, not sure where to put it in the menu
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/filebrowser
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> for stuff that's publicly available, of course.  :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm about to take the server down for a bit, need to repartition the hard drive it's on so I can finish setting up my backup system
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> might improve performance, too.  Switching to reiserfs, which is supposed to be a faster filesystem than ext3 (which is already faster than ntfs anyway)
06:13 <GodTodd> ok
06:13 <GodTodd> i had a quick question for when i post some free fiction
06:14 <GodTodd> is there going to be a separate menu item for them?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question, I've been thinking about the same problem with music
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, having no answer is the reason I haven't done it yet :)
06:16 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> So, in the taxonomy, there's a spot for music, but no spot for literature
06:16 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:16 <GodTodd> that's odd
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> seems like you should go ahead and add some terms to the Articles taxonomy for your free fiction, but that doesn't settle downloadable free fiction, it only settles what people will read on the site
06:16 <GodTodd> thing is, i'm assuming that your stories that are already posted are more or less autobiographical...not really fiction
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> they are indeed autobiographical, and fiction shouldn't be bundled with them
06:16 <GodTodd> that's what i figured
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, that part of the taxonomy needs to be rethought a bit.  "My stories"?  Whose are they?  They're mine, but where do you put them?
06:17 <GodTodd> right
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if you want to write some autobiographical stuff that's the same, where would *you* put it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Maybe add a "Stories" term to the root of Articles, and then put "fiction" and "nonfiction" under it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> then move and rename "My Stories" to nonfiction->Dave's Stories ?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and create Todd's Stories?  :)
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...that's going to be a sticking point on the one i'm just about finished with...it's more along the lines of your stories...a snapshot of a fucked up life ;)
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> organize fiction by genre, of course
06:18 <GodTodd> that might work
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...i suck at telling genre :)
06:19 <GodTodd> other than broad terms
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> you want to take a crack at doing the taxonomy changes?  Practice, you know.... ;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i mean...i know fantasy from scifi from suspense...but, ya know...;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i can but try :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  Luckily we can associate a work with several articles, so the sticking point on genre doesn't apply here.  :)
06:19 <GodTodd> right
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, several terms I mean
06:20 <GodTodd> yep
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I gave you write permissions to /www/home/public so you can put stuff there if you need to.  Consider it soft right now and you can reorganize what's there if you need to, but it should be put in a final spot by the end of the month
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's not for files attached to articles!  It's for stuff that doesn't really belong with an article at all, like class notes.  :)  Next semester I have another class I'll be taking notes with my laptop in,
06:24 <GodTodd> ah
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to have it setup so I can post for my classmates again.  Been seeing entries in the log, feeling bad because the school site has been down for a bit.  :(
06:24 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <GodTodd> ok...we
06:27 <GodTodd> 're adding the term "stories", correct?
06:28 <GodTodd> to parent <root>?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> to the Articles category, I forget what the top-level form of the taxonomy is called :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> might be called "taxonomy", heh
06:32 <GodTodd> https://www.davefancella.com/admin/taxonomy/4/add/term <-- am i in the right place at least? :)
06:32 <GodTodd> cuz i don't see articles...
06:33 <GodTodd> err...well i guess this is the add term for articles....so i assume <root> is articles...heh
06:34 <GodTodd> any related terms...or leave that alone?
06:40 <GodTodd> ok...kind of like that?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> looks good to me
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> sorry about the pause, I was out smoking a cigarette :)
06:41 <GodTodd> np
06:41 <GodTodd> now...how do we do the "dave's stories" "todd's stories" thing?....more terms or just moving files?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'll move my stories, you just create "Todd Stories"
06:42 <GodTodd> as a term under the fiction/nonfiction terms?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Todd's Stories should have nonfiction as its parent
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you refresh the page that lists terms, you'll see how I put Dave's Stories there
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> also, since I just reparented and renamed My Stories, all the stories linked to it retained their link.  :)  That's important.
06:44 <GodTodd> cool
06:44 <GodTodd> now...are we splitting the fiction one too or am i going solo on fiction? heh
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to change the default workflow for Story nodes, btw.  I want to change them to moderated and have an email sent to both of us when that happens.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're on your own for fiction, but I'd suggest going ahead and creating the genre you have now
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> also, make sure when you post a story under the Stories branch that you multi-link it to its parents.  Drupal doesn't automatically check children.
06:45 <GodTodd> just a broad one?  i've started a suspense serial story
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you click on non-fiction right now, it's empty.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> serial?  So there'll be more stories in the universe?
06:46 <GodTodd> so...that means list parents as todd's stories, nonfiction and stories?
06:46 <GodTodd> well...ummm...hmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should have a "Series" whose parent is Stories, and then a term for each series that you write
06:46 <GodTodd> it's a continuation story
06:47 <GodTodd> kind of like a book a chapter at a time except its just a long story
06:47 <GodTodd> not a book
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to look over the book module for this, and nodequeue, but in the meantime, here's what I think :)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> make the genre link with the parent Fiction.  So Fiction->Suspense
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series with the parent Stories
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series->YourSeriesName
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> and link the first article to YourSeriesName, Series, Suspense, and Fiction, and each subsequent story you write in that series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> that way users can browse suspense and find them, fiction, and they can browse by series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> under the assumption that there will be more, but to be honest, I'll probably start throwing up some fiction myself when there's structure in place for it :)
06:49 <GodTodd> so...series directly under stories? not fiction?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> right, directly under stories
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> we might have non-fiction series, after all :)
06:50 <GodTodd> true :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> and we won't be lying to anybody, because in the summary page for Series, each story lists all of the terms its linked to, so they'll see that the story is fiction, suspense
06:50 <GodTodd> ok
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> all of my old stories need to be updated to reflect their new path in the taxonomy, though.  I'll take care of it, but it won't be right this minute.
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if drupal crawled children in its listings, though.  :/
06:51 <GodTodd> definitely
06:51 <GodTodd> now...the tree look kind of ok?
06:51 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <GodTodd> i haven't posted it yet, obviously...but it should slide right in there
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it looks good to me
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Series shouldn't go any deeper for quite some time.  It would be better to create a new series rather than create a sub-series right now.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Also, include series that have books in them, and put at least an excerpt from the book, like the first chapter.  Then include a link in the excerpt to the item in the store.  :)
06:56 <GodTodd> hrmm?
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> same eerywhere, really.  So the book I read last spring (or whenever it was) should get a spot in here too, but don't get in too much of a hurry with it yet,
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> we still need to work out how we'll do the format conversions.  :)
06:57 <GodTodd> yeah...there's a couple chapters i need to add to it anyway ;)
06:58 <GodTodd> how would you link it to the store product? like with the unc?  the /node whatever of the product?
06:58 <GodTodd> or is there like a lil checkbox? heh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's no checkbox.  Right now you'd do it by hand in the text.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the reasons I said not to get in too much of a hurry with it.  :)  We'll solve that problem with the music, since the music's ready to go.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I moved "World" to show second in the list, with music and stories being under it in alphabetical order.  Not sure I like it, what do you think?
07:00 <GodTodd> you'd use this type of link then? ---> http://www.davefancella.com/node/110
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, or you can use another type, depending on your input filter.  Check what you can do with the input filter you've settled on.  :)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I think World, Music, and Stories should just show in alphabetical order.
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...that seems best
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> previously people came to the site to read what's in World, but that's not necessarily what they'll come for in the future
07:02 <GodTodd> input filter...hmmm...
07:02  * GodTodd checks what input filters are heh
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> go to create content and click one of those things, then click "Input filter" to see the list and the documentation
07:03 <GodTodd> oh...i see
07:03 <GodTodd> i usually use wikitext
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07:12 <GodTodd> btw...i saw a new high on guests the other night....27 i think it was....so either a bunch of people were reading it or you had a buttload of sessions open ;)
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07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that was a bunch of people reading because it sure in the hell wasn't me :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I couldn't find the module that lets you email certain roles when certain things happen
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need that module to make it reasonable to change the default from Published to Moderated.  I'd like to make that change so that we're at least reading what the other writes, preferably proofreading/editing.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> You know, raise the quality of the writing a bit by having us oversee each other.  :)
07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...i was hoping it had something like that :)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a workflow module, but the actions module it depends on broke the site :(
07:37 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it was a broken dependency.  Installed the module it depended on and it started working again :)
07:42 <GodTodd> cool :)
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07:59 <DrJoeTron> i dont desserve to have electronics
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what kind of workflow do you want, GodTodd ?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have Draft, Review, and Published.  creating a Draft does nothing.  When you're done drafting it, you put it up for review, and change its state to Review
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> that causes an email to be sent to the not-yet-created alias for editors (which I'll create and have it redirect to both of us)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Then it gets edited, and the state gets changed to Published, which causes it to be published and another email sent telling you of the fact.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of having an action where if state changes from Review back to Draft, the author gets an email.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that means it needs more work.  :)
08:09 <GodTodd> sounds good to me :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks, apparently I can't have an alias send to any other email address I want, and it can only send to one address on the server :(
08:12 <GodTodd> hrmm
08:12 <GodTodd> can you daisy chain?
08:13 <GodTodd> like...have the alias send to a dummy address then have that one forward to two?
08:14 <GodTodd> only problem even if that works is remembering to clear out the dummy address
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, can't do that.  Instead I created a fake action with your email address.  It's not maintainable in the long term, if we get more editors then it gets to be a pain
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> but the mail server can be moved and the editors alias changed to work like I want it
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's a no-ip-imposed restriction, it's not a restriction inherent in the system.  :(
08:16 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:16 <GodTodd> ok
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, apparently it queues the mail notifications.  The cron job might need to run for it to send them.
08:20 <GodTodd> it run every night?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> every hour
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> did you get an email?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I got your test email a little while ago
08:21 <GodTodd> i sent a test email?
08:21 <GodTodd> haven't gotten an email yet
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was the test email I sent and it just took awhile to come through, heh
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the test email I sent awhile back?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it was the one I sent
08:28 <GodTodd> ermm...depends on the definition of 'awhile back' heh
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Date: 
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Tuesday 5:35:22 pm
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting any email from the outgoing mail server, that means I probably broke it :(
08:33 <GodTodd> heh
08:33 <spidey> -_-
08:33 <spidey> #ping
08:33 <armabot> pong
08:33 <spidey> well wtf
08:33 <spidey> i can't load webpages
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just got all of them.  Can you check if you got them?
08:34 <spidey> feels nice coming home to a shitty internet -_-
08:34 <GodTodd> nada so far
08:34  * spidey wants to go back outta town all night
08:34  * spidey had fun
08:34  * Lucifer_arma wants spidey to go back outta town all night again
08:34  * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
08:34 <GodTodd> fun...i used to have that...long long ago
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> shitty internet?  what's that?
08:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma tennessee internet
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> so tennessee = shitty?
08:35 <GodTodd> it's in the name....tenneshitty
08:35 <GodTodd> ;)
08:35 <spidey> GodTodd,we left with $150 and come home with a quater oz and a case of budlight
08:35 <spidey> :D
08:35 <spidey> we had fun ;x
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like you got ripped off
08:36 <GodTodd> that's expensive shit
08:36 <spidey> nah,that's what we came home with
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, you can get good pot in Austin for $35 for a quarter bag
08:36 <spidey> it's $30 here
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'm talking about *good* pot, not the $25 crap
08:36 <spidey> skunk weed is good
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: get an email yet?
08:37 <GodTodd> heh i wouldn't know good pot from oregeno 
08:37 <GodTodd> nope
08:37 <spidey> we got the quater for $30 the case for $20-22 and the rest we spent on munchies cigarettes and gas
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok, that sounds better then
08:38 <GodTodd> so...like .75 on munchies? ;)
08:38 <GodTodd> heh
08:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp?annotate=6066&pathrev=6067#l204
08:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man commented out, with this commit message:
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Fixed complaints about comparing singed and unsigned values.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Commented out unused function.
08:39 <spidey> i can't load a single website
08:39 <spidey> not even google
08:39 <wrtlprnft> (referring to your last commit
08:42 <GodTodd> should be on its way now 
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I hate singed values.  I prefer to only slightly cook values, myself.
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to todd.macy@gmail.com	davetheknave	
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to dave@davefancella.com	davetheknave	
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to editors@davefancella.com	davetheknave	
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: made some changes, you should get an email soon now :)
08:43 <GodTodd> it's showing on the log at least
08:43 <GodTodd> there it is
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> there was quite a delay last time
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, default is no longer "published".  We'll use workflow now.  :)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> you get log messages to put in too, so if you send an article back down to draft you can write in why in the log.
08:47 <GodTodd> you get that email?
08:47 <GodTodd> i bumped your shit down :P
08:47 <GodTodd> heh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, I figure if it's just a quick news item or whatever (like the one I just posted about the school notes), you can blow off the workflow and just publish it
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's a delay for me
08:48 <GodTodd> right @ workflow
08:48 <GodTodd> hrmm i got them quick ;)
08:48 <GodTodd> err it
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I blame my mail provider.
08:48 <GodTodd> who is it?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm using their alternate-port smtp service too
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> no-ip.com
08:49 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> so my smtp traffic goes through them so I can have an outgoing mailserver on my network, otherwise drupal and the wiki wouldn't be able to send mail
08:49 <GodTodd> hey....you have an opinion on cable vs FIOS internet?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> what's FIOS?  ;)
08:49 <GodTodd> ah i see
08:49 <GodTodd> Fiber Optic
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> that fiber?
08:50 <GodTodd> yeah
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh.  My opinion is that /dev/null really pumped up his game server and bragged about it, then went off and played something else for awhile while the guy who was hosting it on a fiber connection took the server down.
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, no opinion, I know nothing about it.
08:50 <GodTodd> heh
08:51 <GodTodd> i guess i'll see if service dips with the time warner changeover then
08:51 <GodTodd> cuz VZ has 5/2 for 35.....or 15/2 for 45 a month
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09:00 <wrtlprnft_> grr
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> i hate im
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> playing arma, one of these bubbles pops up
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> and crashes my machine x_x
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.speakeasy.net/home/onelink/  <--- heh, can someone decipher the line speed line for me?  ;)
09:02 <spidey> ya
09:02 <spidey> 1.5mbit up / 384kbit down
09:02 <spidey> wait
09:02 <spidey> reverse that
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 384kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 13mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> a3mbit*
09:03 <spidey> 6mbit down and 768kbit up
09:03 <spidey> good enough? :p
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, thanks.  :)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> apparently all speakeasy's got for me is t1
09:03 <GodTodd> ummm the 13 is actually 3
09:04 <GodTodd> :P
09:04 <GodTodd> ergh...thats dsl too
09:05 <spidey> i corrected myself :P
09:05 <spidey> and actually
09:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
09:05 <spidey> i'd pay that
09:05 <spidey> it's $3 cheaper and the up speed is 3x faster
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> $300/month for a t1?
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, except that they don't offer dsl to my location, only t1
09:05 <spidey> well
09:05  * Lucifer_arma just went through their little web form
09:05 <GodTodd> was gonna say...you near a CO?
09:05 <spidey> bellsouth offers in my area
09:05 <spidey> and
09:06 <GodTodd> co=central office
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should call them, if they actually used my real phone number for anything other than putting in their CRM database, then the answer is questionable
09:06  * Lucifer_arma is on VOIP
09:06 <spidey> it's $12 cheaper and twice as fast both ways
09:06 <GodTodd> well...the thing is line quality the further from the co
09:06 <GodTodd> 20000 feet out is pretty well a no no
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> 23k feet is what they estimated
09:07 <spidey> lol
09:07 <GodTodd> ergh...not really good service then
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> which could be very accurate, I don't know where their office is
09:07 <spidey> well
09:07 <GodTodd> you MIGHT get 384 or 768 service
09:07 <spidey> seeing as i'm getting dsl quality right NOW
09:07 <spidey> what's the difference besides having a faster speed on a good day?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I *might* already have a fast connection.  :)  Basically, they can only give me a t1, and for the price of a t1, I'd put my server in a coloc instead and get what I really want out of it
09:08 <spidey> sad thing is i'm on cable
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> for regular use, I'm perfectly happy with my connection.  The only reason I'd consider getting a faster one is for the server
09:09  * GodTodd spent 2.5 years as a dsl second tier tech....knows a thing or two about the shitty shit ;)
09:09 <GodTodd> heh
09:09 <GodTodd> that's a bridge that can wait to be burnt, isn't it?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't hurt to google every now and then and see if there's a better deal available.  I'd hate to find I was getting screwed out of inertia.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> I finally got that group of email from the website
09:11 <GodTodd> true
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> so we can do real writing with it, where I could start a draft, think about it, edit it myself, and work on it over a few days.  I like that.
09:11 <GodTodd> good :)
09:11 <GodTodd> long delay tho
09:11 <GodTodd> :)
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I blame no-ip for the delay.  I could have it instantaneous if I pulled my pop3 service back to my own server, which I'll do whenever I get to build a real dedicated box
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> but right now my next computer purchase is going to be a backup server
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> and it's going to happen Very Soon
09:15 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <GodTodd> i'm still debating whether to dual boot my laptop
09:26 <GodTodd> well...i'ma go to bed so that karen doesn't have to watch both kids by herself in the morning
09:26 <GodTodd> #night
09:26 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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10:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4785065.stm  <--- Muslems are offended by a Christian Fascist saying "Islamic Facist".
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> clear your cache?
16:38 <DrJoeTron> i had to buy a news headset :/
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17:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_: I don't write functions to be unused ;p
17:11  * luke-jr_ knew he'd be using it when he implemented comparison operators
17:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: who cares if Muslems are offended?
17:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: How the heck do you get that SpeakEasy is *cheaper*? Maybe for slower service...
17:30 <spidey> luke-jr_ ecause it is
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17:48 <luke-jr_> spidey: not unless with most cable speeds/prices
17:48 <luke-jr_> not with*
17:48 <spidey> luke-jr_ did i say most??
17:48 <spidey> no i said mine
17:49 <spidey> i think i passed math enough to know if something costs MORE than something else
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18:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: your cable company must be a rip-off then
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19:24 <spidey> luke-jr_ and? how many times have i said this??? shitty service and 3mbit for $59
19:24 <spidey> besides that it's the only highspeed isp here untill september
19:24 <spidey> then i'm switching to bellsouth
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20:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: you might want to threaten first ;)
20:25 <luke-jr_> even if they won't be available for a few months
20:25 <spidey> actually i've already did that
20:26 <spidey> i even told them i'ma refer all there customers i know to bellsouth
20:26 <spidey> they don't seem to care :D
20:26 <spidey> so when bellsouth gets out here that's what i'ma do
20:26 <spidey> bellsouth has dailup out here already,and it's got better quality than my friggin cable
20:27 <spidey> it maybe slow but atleast it's MORE stable
20:27 <spidey> so i figure there highspeed dsl will be just as good
20:28 <spidey> which it'll be 6mbit down and 368kbit up
20:28 <spidey> and it's $15 cheaper
20:28 <spidey> -_-
20:29 <spidey> ohhh
20:29 <spidey> i forget
20:29 <aidans_dad> armagetronad client question - any way to log in-game chat text?   aside from hacking the client? 
20:29 <spidey> we'll get a discount to
20:29 <spidey> nemo made a script that includes ruby ingame
20:29 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: IIRC there was some talk about that recently on the forum
20:30 <spidey> so there should be a way to make a script that logs it
20:30 <philippeqc> but I might be mistaken
20:30 <aidans_dad> ruby... hm... something I know nothing about :(
20:31 <aidans_dad> phillippeqc:  is there a forum archive you can point me to? 
20:31 <[dlh]> There is a define somewhere to show console text on stdout.
20:31 <philippeqc> forums.armagetronad.net
20:31 <philippeqc> all the resources are accessible from www.armagetronad.net
20:32 <aidans_dad> Cool, thanks.   dlh - that would be awesome - have compiler will travel. 
20:32 <spidey> ymmm
20:32 <spidey> umm
20:32 <spidey> is it just me
20:32 <spidey> or is all the php on that page errored?
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(functions.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(): Failed opening 'functions.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <philippeqc> I'd search on the forums throught the recent ones (I'd say unless I'm quite mistaken, something was mentionned during the last month top)
20:32 <[dlh]> No, that happens a lot, spidey.
20:32 <spidey> oh
20:32 <[dlh]> It is hosted on sf now, instead of Tank's server.
20:32 <spidey> i figured it was my isp -_-
20:33 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: Have you read "Have spacesuit - will travel" ?
20:33 <aidans_dad> No, should I put it on my reading list ?  :)
20:33 <philippeqc> its a light scifi from a couple of years back
20:34 <philippeqc> i enjoyed it
20:35 <philippeqc> from one of the short description on the 3rd hit of google: First published in 1958 as one of Heinlein?s ?boy?s books?, Have Spacesuit, Will Travel soon found an adult audience as well, and has become one of the most ...
20:35  * aidans_dad is searching net for it
20:37 <aidans_dad> Ah, Heinlein.  I did read "stranger in a strange land" though.  
20:38 <aidans_dad> OK another armage question.  My son is 4 years old, and likes armagetronad. 
20:38 <aidans_dad> Question: 
20:38 <[dlh]> aidans_dad: check rConsole.cpp for print_to_stdout.
20:38 <aidans_dad> how do I keep him from messing with other people's internet servers?
20:38 <aidans_dad> short of unplugging the wire. 
20:40 <aidans_dad> dlh: thanks.   I'll definitely do that, assuming I can find all the prerequisite libs to compile armage on my box.  Thanks for the research.
20:40 <philippeqc> a) he must be of great technological skills for you to fear him going to mess people internet server ;)
20:40 <philippeqc> b) no, we dont have a locking mecanism
20:40 <aidans_dad> he reads, writes, and plays armage like a 7 year old.  He thinks like a 4 year old.
20:42 <aidans_dad> I guess I could change his name to "kickban me now", and when he joins a server, maybe the operator will take the hint :) 
20:43 <philippeqc> If I was you, I'd hang out a bit on MBC (Micro-bus and I dont recall the C). They have low regard agains swearing on that server (never been there, just second hand thing). That might be the only place that is "ok" for him.
20:44 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: there isnt an operator on all the time though. and most people would take it as a joke instead.
20:44 <philippeqc> got a firewall/router?
20:45 <philippeqc> you could make 2 rules: 1) disable queries to the master servers (plural). Most probably by dropping all leaving trafic that is UDP on that port
20:46 <aidans_dad> I have a router running ddwrt - I guess I could try to block all udp from his machine - that would allow him to play me locally.  That's a great idea.l 
20:46 <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to servers (UDP again, 
20:47 <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do)
20:47 <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that.  Wonderful suggestion.  Thanks. 
20:48 <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533
20:48 <spidey> -_-
20:48 <philippeqc> np
20:48 <spidey> #last --nolimit
20:48 <armabot> spidey: [20:48:51] <philippeqc> np, [20:48:46] <spidey> -_-, [20:48:34] <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533, [20:47:59] <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that.  Wonderful suggestion.  Thanks., [20:47:40] <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do), [20:46:56] <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to (50 more messages)
20:48 <spidey> 'er
20:48 <spidey> #realchatlogs
20:48 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
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20:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft_, maybe split the logs?? because that's a HUGE list and takes forever to load
20:50 <aidans_dad> wow
20:50 <[dlh]_> The log will split automatically if you put a date format string in it.
20:50 <spidey> not that kinda split
20:50 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: have a look at a configuration file names "master.srv". I dont know if it is in use, but a simple test of changing all armagetronad to notArmagetronad should tell you if you can deny reaching the master servers
20:50 <spidey> different .txt files
20:50 <[dlh]_> You
20:50 <[dlh]_> 're talking about #realchatlogs, right?
20:51 <[dlh]_> wrtlprnft_'s irc log?
20:51 <spidey> ..............
20:51 <spidey> yes
20:51 <[dlh]_> Yea, irssi will split the log file into different files if the filename has a date format string in it.
20:52 <spidey> tell wrtlprnft_ that :p
20:52 <aidans_dad> Philippeqc: even easier!    I could just enter somehting bogus for the master server. 
20:53 <philippeqc> yes
20:53  * aidans_dad goes to modify son's config
20:53 <spidey> hmmm
20:54 <spidey> that won't work
20:54 <spidey> btw
20:54 <spidey> i don't know about now,but when the master servers where down/couldn't be connected to...it would use a old list,but that was in 2.7.1
20:55 <[dlh]_> You gotta delete frommaster.srv, too ( I think that is the name of the file)
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <spidey> where's that at
20:55 <[dlh]_> The var directory
20:56 <spidey> <<windows
20:56 <[dlh]_> Oh, I don't know. ><
20:58 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: should you not succeed, post a message on the forums with the draft of what was discussed here. You'll get some more help. 
20:58 <philippeqc> good luck
20:58 <philippeqc> good night all
20:58 <philippeqc> #night
20:58 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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20:58 <spidey> mmm
20:58 <spidey> aidans_dad,is all you want is for him not to be able to connect to online servers?
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21:05 <spidey> aidans_dad if that's what you want you could just hide the network game option :D
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21:05 <spidey> open english_base.txt scroll down to game menu, where it says
21:05 <spidey> network_menu_text Network Game
21:05 <spidey> delete Network Game
21:06 <spidey> and it won't show,but he'll still be able to connect if he figures it out
21:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: did I mention your cable co is STUPID? =p
21:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, i also know that
21:17  * spidey wonders if they have a online tech support
21:17 <spidey> i wanna bitch but dun wanna go get the phon
21:17 <spidey> phone
21:17 <spidey> last time i called they first said 2 things
21:17 <spidey> 1 they said it was the router
21:17 <spidey> i unplugged it and put this box straight through(i was running linux at the time)
21:18 <spidey> so they said it was because i used linux and to put the windows box on
21:18 <spidey> -_-
21:19 <spidey> of course the windows box did the same,then me and my brother where arguing and she thought i was talking to her,asked me if said she don't know what she's doing
21:19 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: there should be a Silence All option IIRC
21:20 <spidey> oh ya
21:20 <spidey> sec
21:20 <aidans_dad> Got it now - blocked the family PCs udp 4533-4534 at the router 
21:20 <luke-jr_> guru3: if SF's hosting continues sucking, do feel free to move the site to hachi...
21:20 <spidey> aidans_dad that doesn't matter
21:21 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: why not just silence?
21:21 <aidans_dad> spidey:  that would work too - but he can get on my computer if I'm not watching, or his mom's computer - he's quick little guy 
21:21 <spidey> if he's already listed the master server once,tron will use a backup
21:21 <aidans_dad> easiest was to block it at the router. 
21:21 <spidey> is not
21:21 <spidey> he can still list the servers from a old list
21:22 <spidey> luke-jr_, made the first payment
21:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: with the subscription button thing?
21:23 <aidans_dad> thanks all for the suggestions! 
21:23 <spidey> yar
21:23 <Your_mom_arma> or steal the custom connect info from tanks server poll
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: cool, thanks
21:23 <spidey> aidans_dad you need to do one more thing
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: looks like it worked
21:23 <spidey> luke-jr_,k
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21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: Just build a client that can't do chat ;)
21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: he could still click a webpage link for a server
21:23 <spidey> or disable text output
21:24 <spidey> which is simple
21:24 <spidey> ;D
21:24 <spidey> sytem settings > misc > text wrap off
21:24 <spidey> i think
21:24 <spidey> ah
21:24 <spidey> System Setup > Misc Stuff > Text Ooutput : off
21:25 <spidey> my server just left for 2 weeks :(
21:25 <spidey> i'ma miss it
21:26 <spidey> luke-jr_, change my hosting to soldat and i'll pay $25 a month :p
21:27 <spidey> 'er
21:27 <spidey> $20
21:27 <spidey> forgot about the webserver :D
21:27 <DrJoeTron> :( i miss my headset
21:28 <spidey> argh
21:28 <spidey> i just noticed a bug in my site
21:28 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
21:28 <spidey> click forums
21:28 <spidey> then click it again
21:28 <spidey> :(
21:29 <aidans_dad> I saw the backup, but if he can't communicate with them on the default ports, it doesn't matter.  I could block all UDP - there's nothing else he needs that for.
21:30 <spidey> no
21:30 <spidey> 4533 isn't the default port
21:30 <spidey> thats the master server port
21:30 <spidey> 4534 is the server port
21:30 <spidey> BUT
21:30 <spidey> it can be changed
21:30 <aidans_dad> I blocked them both
21:30 <spidey> like my servers
21:30 <spidey> the default port changes
21:30 <spidey> sometimes they're 4535-4537
21:31 <aidans_dad> meh - I'll go change it to block 4000-5000 :)
21:31 <spidey> :)
21:31 <spidey> that is blocking outbound right?
21:31 <spidey> because blocking it in most routers only blocks people from connecting
21:31 <spidey> connecting to you*
21:31 <aidans_dad> Hm, I don't know.  I'm using a pointy-clicky interface into ddwrt.  I did verify that it blocks his access to the master server...
21:32 <spidey> hmm
21:32 <aidans_dad> Or responses from it.  
21:32 <spidey> you might wanna try it from his computer after you're done
21:32 <spidey> if nothing more,just disable text and hide the option
21:33 <spidey> or change the master server lists in master.svc to something else and delete ftommaster.svc
21:33 <aidans_dad> I could do that, but he could still join a team server and drive around in a non-team-like fashion... although he's pretty good when he's not using his robot.
21:33 <spidey> lol
21:34 <spidey> then in Armagetron Advanced\config change master.scv
21:34 <spidey> then documents and settings\username\application data\armagetron\var\ delete frommaster.svc
21:35 <spidey> that should keep him from listing servers period
21:35 <aidans_dad> on a macintosh but I know what you mean
21:35 <spidey> ah,k
21:36 <aidans_dad> That's probably a better solution than blocking udp. 
21:36 <spidey> ya
21:37 <spidey> or you could use iptables(dunno if mac has that) to block the udp ports via that computer only
21:37 <aidans_dad> that's what ddwrt is doing for his mac address
21:37 <aidans_dad> I would think osx could do similar but not sure
21:38 <spidey> mm
21:38 <aidans_dad> could probably run an armagetron server on a ddwrt router.  nice little boxes. 
21:40 <aidans_dad> OK gotta go; thanks for all the help
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21:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: is soldat open source? :p
21:59 <spidey> no,lol
22:02 <luke-jr_> convince the author to make it open source and I'll consider it ;)
22:02 <spidey> :(
22:04 <luke-jr_> how am I supposed to write my patch for it otherwise? ;p
22:04 <spidey> patch?
22:05 <spidey> there's a demon that runs in the background and shuts the server down if it exceeds x number of players
22:05 <luke-jr_> yes
22:05 <spidey> but dunno where to get it
22:05 <luke-jr_> that's not a patch
22:05 <spidey> no,but a solution :p
22:05 <luke-jr_> not really
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22:25  * spidey goes to watch dumb and dumber
22:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell does windows have to be so damn fucking slow -.-
22:28 <spidey> because your computer sucks?
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you're right
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> amd64 3000+ and 1gb ram is not enuf for win2k
22:28 <spidey> O.o
22:28 <DrJoeTron> time to defrag that sucker
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's a relatively new install
22:29 <DrJoeTron> still
22:29 <DrJoeTron> i defrag everyday
22:29 <DrJoeTron> or everyother
22:29 <spidey> well 1
22:29 <spidey> win2k sucks
22:29 <spidey> 2
22:29 <spidey> wtf!?
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> did i mention i'm running it in vmware?
22:29 <spidey> i have p4 2.2ghz and 512mb ram
22:30 <spidey> then
22:30 <spidey> that's your problem
22:30 <spidey> :p
22:30 <DrJoeTron> he didnt say it was yours :d
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i will never install win on my real machine again
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> last time i did
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> took me 5 days to fix my system
22:30 <spidey> lemme
22:30 <spidey> lemme guess
22:30 <spidey> win2k ?
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:30 <spidey> some 5 year old operating system? :p
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually it was xp 64 bit edition
22:31 <DrJoeTron> oh god
22:31 <spidey> haha
22:31 <DrJoeTron> why did you install that?
22:31 <spidey> i was gonna ask the same
22:31 <DrJoeTron> i mean, it was a good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> a real good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> too bad nothing worked for it
22:31 <spidey> lol
22:31 <DrJoeTron> which is why i didnt get it
22:31 <DrJoeTron> that and having a 32bit cpu
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22:32 <DrJoeTron> i just use xp pro
22:32 <DrJoeTron> all problems i get are my own fault
22:32 <spidey> i use xp pro corp
22:32 <spidey> same here
22:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i only need it to run the damn ipod updater...
22:32 <spidey> doesn't amarok have ipod support?
22:32 <DrJoeTron> apple loves adding bloatware
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thing is
22:33 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't use crapOS?
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can you show me
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how to run ipod updater in wine?
22:33 <DrJoeTron> no idea
22:33 <spidey> ??
22:33  * DrJoeTron doesnt have an ipod
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was asking luke-jr_ actually...
22:34 <DrJoeTron> ah
22:34 <luke-jr_> running a 32-bit OS or 32-bit programs on a 64-bit CPU is a waste
22:34 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't
22:34 <luke-jr_> get a Neuros ;p
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know there is ipodlinux...
22:34 <spidey> letting luke-jr_ in on a converstation is a mistake
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22:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: >:O
22:34 <spidey> ;x
22:34  * DrJoeTron agrees! :D
22:34 <luke-jr_> I like my new IRC font
22:34 <luke-jr_> it looks like DOS
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> dos
22:34 <luke-jr_> mwahaha
22:35 <spidey> gayish?
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love my console font
22:35 <luke-jr_> actually, I don't remember what DOS looked like
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun even know how i got to it
22:35 <luke-jr_> I just assume it looks like my raw console
22:35 <DrJoeTron> fucking itunes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate itunes too
22:35 <DrJoeTron> no, i dont want quicktime!
22:36 <DrJoeTron> thanks for adding ipod shit on my pc apple
22:36  * DrJoeTron sigh
22:36 <DrJoeTron> msconfig time!
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell
22:36 <spidey> i have quicktime
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does my usb storage driver
22:36 <spidey> only because my codec pack installed it
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not eat the fucking ipod
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (under win 2k -.-)
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i have quicktime
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont want it
22:37 <DrJoeTron> its kind of stuck there
22:37 <spidey> it doesn't bother me
22:37 <spidey> it just stays down in the bottum
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> whenever i see windows running
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> let's say
22:37 <spidey> you chase it?
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "running"
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i start crying
22:38 <spidey> lol
22:38 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: can't you access the iPod as a removable storage?
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in linux
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in win2k...
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> NO
22:38 <luke-jr_> screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> screw luke-jr_
22:39  * DrJoeTron seconded
22:39 <spidey> well actually
22:39 <spidey> yes screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> it sucks anyways
22:39 <DrJoeTron> nah win 2k is not the greatest
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:39 <spidey> there's only 1 windows version i'd run
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i prefer it to xp...
22:39 <spidey> that's win98
22:39 <DrJoeTron> considering its illegitamate retarded brother Me
22:39 <spidey> but i can't run win98 on this box,something about mem ranges conflicting
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i enjoy xp
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> take windows Ce, windows Me and windows NT
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> CeMeNT
22:40 <spidey> lol
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hard as a rock, dumb as a brick
22:40 <DrJoeTron> dont talk about my dreamcast like that!
22:40 <DrJoeTron> :(
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sega pwns ><
22:40 <luke-jr_> when I test win apps, it's under 98 =p
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
22:41 <luke-jr_> oh, don't use VMWare either
22:41 <luke-jr_> it's immoral software
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh damn
22:41 <DrJoeTron> darkstar, run your computer however you want 
22:41 <spidey> ok now we mentally ignore luke-jr_
22:41 <luke-jr_> and it's on your real system too
22:41  * luke-jr_ shakes head
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: you can do /ignore luke-jr_ 
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
22:42  * spidey ties luke-jr_ up and throws him in the closet
22:42  * luke-jr_ hacks spidey and makes his light cycle pink
22:42 <spidey> haha
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how the hell do i start windows update manually?
22:43 <luke-jr_> I lost my colour codes-- I should figure out what they were
22:43 <spidey> um
22:43 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: Start->Windows Update
22:43 <luke-jr_> my colours were green & purple
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ouch
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate that
22:43 <luke-jr_> ...
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's in there
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't be bigger
22:44 <luke-jr_> lol
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i dun see it
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hope there is a damn updated version of the usb storage driver in there -.-
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it dun work -.-
22:45 <luke-jr_> hahaha
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah well
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should have known
22:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the german translation of windows is bad
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> looks like neither german nor english is the translator's mother tongue -.-
22:54 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: write me a script to do it :P
22:55  * wrtlprnft loves dejavu sans mono
22:55 <spidey> do what?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nothing to do with deja_vu, though
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: split the log file
22:55 <spidey> what language
22:55 <wrtlprnft> any
22:55 <wrtlprnft> not visual basic
22:55 <spidey> php?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> sure
22:56 <spidey> after my movie's done
22:56 <spidey> watching dumb and dumber
22:56 <spidey> lol
22:56 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: i love you too :P
22:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:57 <wrtlprnft> just on the topic of console fonts
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love the sun prom console font
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it looks so fucking cool
22:58 <wrtlprnft> i picked that topic up since "font" is one of my hilights
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> giving up on that win2k shit
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and dling xp ><
23:03 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo.org/
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have gentoo on all of my machines, mkay?
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... except the TP
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there i got like nothing...
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause it's got no cdrom drive
23:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i keep failing to find a 1 floppy distro that supports my pcmcia network card
23:11 -!- Nixda916 [n=529879de@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
23:14 <DrJoeTron> anyone have a ds? :p
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nope
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nintendo is evil :P
23:15 <DrJoeTron> more like sony is :p
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have a vaio here
23:15 <DrJoeTron> ive forgiven nintendo
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got a gba somewhere
23:15 <DrJoeTron> everyone gets big and fucks it up
23:15 <DrJoeTron> atari did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> sega did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> Sega Does What NitenDONT
23:15 <DrJoeTron> come on
23:16 <DrJoeTron> Nintendo did it
23:16 <DrJoeTron> twice
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and now sony is doing it
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the ps3 seems to be pretty cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> oh it does
23:16 <DrJoeTron> trust me
23:16 <DrJoeTron> it does
23:16 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's 7.6MB right now... is that big?!
23:16 <DrJoeTron> but someone doesnt think its cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and thats my wallet
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:17 <DrJoeTron> 600 USD?
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
23:17 <DrJoeTron> comapred to 250 USD?
23:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> goddamn it
23:17 <DrJoeTron> nintendo has there buddy back
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> my dvd and cd-rw drives are both dead, and I've had to fall back on a cdrom drive that was made in 1997
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> It's been 20 minutes and I'm still waiting for the liveCD to finish booting
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
23:18 <DrJoeTron> jesus
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> poor u
23:18 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:18 <DrJoeTron> speaking of dated
23:18 <DrJoeTron> i looked at the world records book 2001
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Why is the deskstar even mentioned!?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> deskstar?  printer?
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Quick load all of your important files into it
23:19 <DrJoeTron> nah the 80gb hard drive from ibm
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was "the biggest" in 2001
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> 80GB was pretty big back then
23:19 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i remember in 2000
23:19 <DrJoeTron> too bad they also failed all of the time
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> the two hard drives that are in my server were both brand-new 60GB drives made back then
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there it was ibm's microdrive
23:19 <DrJoeTron> and got the nick name DeathStar
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, they might be a tad newer, they might be from 2002
23:20 <DrJoeTron> i have a 60 and a 120 in this thing
23:20 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to piss off my wife when my check gets here by going and buying another computer and some really large hard drives
23:21 <DrJoeTron> why are we still measureing things in bits for sizes?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/ds-xtreme-gives-drag-n-drop-capability-to-your-nintendo-ds/
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> what other base unit would you use?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> Bytes
23:21 <DrJoeTron> especially when it comes to space?
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> um, bytes are 16 bits or something like that
23:21 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> 8 bits, I forget, one of the two
23:21 <DrJoeTron> its 8
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 byte in bits
23:22 <armabot> 1 byte = 8 bits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> this thing says 4Gb
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its 512Megabytes
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> that means Gigabytes :)
23:22 <DrJoeTron> why cant they just say that
23:22 <DrJoeTron> not that
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> ?  it says 4Gb but they mean gigabits?
23:22 <DrJoeTron> that means Gigabits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> dickheads
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> gigabit is a useless measurement
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its really just 512MB
23:22 <GodTodd> heh...yeah GB is gigabytes
23:23 <DrJoeTron> exactly my point
23:23 <GodTodd> Gb is gigabits
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: unless you want to talk about my connection speed
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's still useless.  :)  You have to know how many Mb your files are for it to mean something
23:23 <DrJoeTron> still useless for measuring space
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: was just kidding anyway
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got only 3mbit ><
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I much prefer to know my connection speed in kb/sec
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> now here's something that annoys me about units
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> kb is and always has been kilobytes, right?
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have 3/8MB/s
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> b is bits
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> then k by itself is kilobytes, too, right?
23:24 <DrJoeTron> b is bits
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> B is bytes
23:24 <DrJoeTron> they just get mixed up in slang
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but then they do MB and start distinguishing between lower and uppercase B's in units
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between 1 KM and 1 km?
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> or 1 mi and 1 MI and 1 Mi ?
23:25 <DrJoeTron> ones a sate :p
23:25 <DrJoeTron> state*
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who cares about the US anyway :P
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> That's true.  1 MI < 1 TX :)
23:25 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:25 <DrJoeTron> i like MI when ever i go there
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Timothy McVeigh was from MI
23:26 <DrJoeTron> except the UP but they dont exsist
23:26 <DrJoeTron> to me
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Psyko is going to university of michigan
23:26 <GodTodd> 1 MI = 1 WI = 1 MN = 1 CAP (Canadian Province) ;)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> umm, seen the size of vancouver?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Those canadians laugh at our little states....
23:27 <GodTodd> umm meaning they might as well be in canada
23:27 <GodTodd> :P
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wisconsin is a beautiful state
23:28 <spidey> i've been there
23:28 <DrJoeTron> wisconsin rocks
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> Minnesota isn't
23:28 <GodTodd> never been there...i'm going to milwaukee next month tho
23:28 <spidey> although i slept all the way through i
23:28 <spidey> it
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet you will never find out where you find the smallest states :P
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im helping my friend move to wisconsin
23:28 <DrJoeTron> up to madison
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's see.  Switzerland isn't much bigger than Rhode Island, and it's split into 4 states, isn't it?
23:28 <spidey> O.o
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's split into 26 states
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i wanna move to alaska
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to move to alaska
23:29 <GodTodd> then don;t
23:29 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be awake for 3 months a year and asleep for 3 months a year
23:29 <DrJoeTron> exactly
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get closer to the equator
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i dont
23:30  * Lucifer_arma is very sensitive to seasonal differences in day size
23:30 <DrJoeTron> i like where i am currently, but one day id like to live there for a year or two
23:30 <GodTodd> heh move to brazil....hot half naked chicks and near the equator ;)
23:30  * DrJoeTron craves snow
23:30 <GodTodd> i hate snow
23:30 <DrJoeTron> lake effect snow doesnt do it for me
23:30 <GodTodd> snow sucks ass
23:30 <DrJoeTron> snow = skitchin
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can blow me
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I think we should annex Mexico, and part of that's so I can live closer to the equator without having to deal with a half-assed dictatorial central american government
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can kiss my hairy white ass
23:31 <DrJoeTron> NO
23:31 <DrJoeTron> we cant lucifer
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what about Tijuana?
23:31 <GodTodd> snow can suck my balls
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what will happen!?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> they'll stop making those weird murder-porn videos?
23:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:32 <DrJoeTron> from dusk till dawn?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I've worked so hard to block that movie from my memory...
23:32 <GodTodd> heh haven't seen that in years
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it was an almost good vampire flick until I saw the Lost Boys and discovered that they hadn't done anything new or interesting in From Dusk till Dawn
23:33 <DrJoeTron> yup
23:33  * Lucifer_arma goes to see if his server's finished booting the liveCD
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> fucker's still booting
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's not that the hard drive is slow, it's that it has really good error checking, so it's basically having to load everything 3-4 times because it's so old and shitty
23:34 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-10-201.delv.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> *cdrom drive
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> hi Your_mom_arma 
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> the wiki is down
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it's been taking fucking forever for my server to boot off this liveCD
23:35 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I need to repartition the main hard drive on it, so I'm booting from a liveCD so I can copy everything from there to somewhere else, repartition, then copy everything back
23:38 <Your_mom_arma> i remember using a 4x cdrom drive after using a 42x drive 
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder when dvd writing will get faster
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> is newegg.com broken?
23:39 <GodTodd> comes up for me
23:40 <Your_mom_arma> i cant get it to load here, but other websites work fine
23:41 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:42 <GodTodd> prices aren't too bad ;)
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah great customer service and shipping times
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> dont understand why the site wont load
23:44  * Your_mom_arma goes to look thru ad lock and java prefrences
23:44 <GodTodd> kill the cookie?
23:44 <GodTodd> wow....a 160 GB notebook drive?
23:45 <GodTodd> that would rock heh
23:46 <Your_mom_arma> thanks, cleared cookies and cache and now it works
23:47 <GodTodd> yeah...sounded like a bad cookie
23:47 <GodTodd> or cached page
23:48 <GodTodd> used to do phone tech support....that kind of thing fixed half the shit ;)
23:48 <GodTodd> heh
23:48 <Your_mom_arma> i always overlook the easy stuff
23:49 <GodTodd> i used to...til that damn job
23:49 <GodTodd> :)
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, I'd fill up a 160GB drive in my laptop
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> well GodTodd , back when you did phone tech support you had to deal with IE 5's shitty cache bug
23:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: any suggestions for other games to host?
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, I'm not wrtlprnft 
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the copy job is finally running, I'll be repartitioning ~1 hour
23:54 <GodTodd> yeah...i was there for the goddamned blaster worm thing too :/
23:55 <GodTodd> heh i had one chick with ie 5 that had 100MB worth of cache....i told her i couldn't stay on the phone with her while the cache cleared
23:55 <Vanhayes> hmm anyone ever hear of a guy named gould?
23:55 <GodTodd> eliot?
23:55 <GodTodd> goddamn i'm old
23:55 <GodTodd> :/
23:55 <Vanhayes> not sure
23:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:57 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:58 <GodTodd>  <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <GodTodd>  <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv rules
23:58 <GodTodd> didn't know if you still had him on /ignore or not ;)
23:58  * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a problem using units that have base 2
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, I unignored him a little while ago
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yesterday or the day before, something like that
23:59 <GodTodd> i see that now :P
23:59  * Lucifer_arma thinks the only people who care about making their units all base 10 are europeans
23:59 <GodTodd> #g 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95
23:59 <armabot> 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95 = 240.75

Log from 2006-08-13:
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's flagrantly hypocritical for Americans to whine about the 1024 conversion factor for computers not being an even 1000
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on.  5280 feet/1 mile, and 1024MB / 1 GB is unreasonable?
00:00 <GodTodd> america was built on non-even conversions
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, they're trying to make it inconsistent, aren't they?
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> they want to keep the 1024 bytes / 1 kilobyte conversion
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> 4 gigabit flash drive 12 dollars awesome...wait a second ;-)
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's just the MB and GB conversions they want to change
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's only 512MB, we worked it out a bit ago
00:02 <GodTodd> #g 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49
00:02 <armabot> 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49 = 237.04
00:03 <GodTodd> #g 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67
00:03 <armabot> 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67 = 285.38
00:04 <GodTodd> ok...now just need to price the CC bookstore next week
00:04 <GodTodd> fuckin math books are a rip off
00:05 -!- [dlh]_ is now known as [dlh]
00:11 <DrJoeTron> i love newegg
00:11 <DrJoeTron> some idiot hated them...who was it
00:11 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
00:11 <DrJoeTron> tit
00:12 <Vanhayes> whats newegg?
00:12 <spidey> what'd you expect?
00:12 <DrJoeTron> i should really block him
00:12 <spidey> newegg = girls in bikini's
00:12 <Vanhayes> and tit pretty much hates everything
00:12 <DrJoeTron> its a site to buy computers and electronic stuff
00:12 <DrJoeTron> except himself
00:12 <Vanhayes> ya that he loves
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and me for some unfortunate reason
00:12 <spidey> ya he's a god and we're all noobs
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and mom too
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> no go with the bikini site that way more people will visit(rolls eyes)
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes mom
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes us
00:13 <DrJoeTron> oh god
00:13 <DrJoeTron> tit is THAT GUY
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> That guy you never ever want to talk to and hate, yet he loves you for some stupid reason
00:14 <DrJoeTron> Tna= THAT guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> hmm ya he seems to want me to agree with him and be on his side when we are in a server together and im using this name, but then when i use another name he throws racist insults at me so...
00:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck That Guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> lol ya
00:15  * spidey /me keeps quite
00:15 <spidey> hmm
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> quiet
00:15  * spidey is a god
00:15  * Vanhayes /me doesnt know how /me works either
00:15 <spidey> a typo god :D
00:15  * DrJoeTron doesnt beleive in god
00:15 <DrJoeTron> :P
00:16 <DrJoeTron> there by you dont exsist!
00:16 <DrJoeTron> Parodaxed!
00:16  * Vanhayes believes in siddhartha
00:16 <spidey> [15:17] ���� Nickname ghost in use
00:16 <DrJoeTron> fuck it all
00:16 <spidey> lol
00:17 <Vanhayes> well not really but its the name im using right now
00:17 <DrJoeTron> man i realy want that DS cartridge
00:18 <DrJoeTron> and people to play tetris or mario kart!
00:18 <spidey> who plays tetris anymore?
00:18 <spidey> i have that game,for gameboy
00:18  * Vanhayes loved tetris for the SNES
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> magazines kept hyping yakuza the ps2 game at e3. after playing a demo of the game it feels like a ps2 launch title.
00:18 <spidey> i play it when i'm at my other grandmas
00:18 <spidey> because there's nothing else to do :p
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> kubuntu dapper's livecd gave me a PAL-sized console :(
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <spidey> i've only had 1 hour sleep in 2 days -_-
00:19 <spidey> is wrtlprnft in the bed?
00:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: is there any example code on how to use your parser? I'd like to try to see how it works tomorrow. Just provide me with some basic code that defines a few functions and variables and then parses a simple expression and displays the result
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> the Satanic Bible defines something called a Psychic Vampire
00:20 <spidey> guess not
00:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: like the commented out code right below tValue:Expr
00:20 <spidey> -_-
00:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> Titboy = Pyschic Vampire
00:20 <DrJoeTron> who cares if tetris is old
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> tron is old
00:20 <DrJoeTron> thats why you like halo!
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is young, however
00:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron, do you care to have a 50y/o girlfriend?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> and halo is one of the worst games ever
00:20 <spidey> ;x
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take a 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <DrJoeTron> if she is fun to play with il take the 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <spidey> of course you would
00:20 <spidey> i was asking joe :D
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> just think about how well a girl can fuck that's been fucking for 30+ years
00:21 <DrJoeTron> tetris is fun
00:21 <GodTodd> drjoetron: you should try outpost.com too
00:21 <spidey> hahaha
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> virgins are for wusses, I want a woman that can fuck my brains out without breaking a sweat
00:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, sure....by that time the biggest dick in the world wouldn't satisfy her
00:21 <spidey> :p
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, those things shrink back to a genetically-defined size
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> unless she's played with a really large dildo every day of her life, no problems
00:22 <spidey> i would show you a picture this girl sent me
00:22 <DrJoeTron> oh frys electronics
00:22 <spidey> but i don't have it anymore
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i live by the warehouse
00:22 <spidey> i know where you live
00:22 <spidey> ;D
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> why order, then?  Just go down and get it
00:22  * spidey harrass's joe
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i dont go there
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i go to newegg
00:23 <DrJoeTron> newegg is better prices
00:23 <DrJoeTron> and the customer service rocks
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> so what's cheaper, getting a $35 computer from the school district's surplus store, or buying a motherboard+hard drive+memory+processor brand new for a case I hae laying around?
00:24 <DrJoeTron> choice A
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, I still have to buy a really large hard drive and probably 2 cdroms on top of that
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> they sent me a wrong part and told me to keep it and sent me the right part by 2 day fedex
00:24 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> newegg sent me a broke-dick memory stick and then replaced it with another broke-dick memory stick
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i got 2 parts DOA at once and replaced it with much better ones
00:25  * Lucifer_arma doesn't order from newegg anymore because he doesn't want to buy broke-dick parts
00:25 <Vanhayes> we got a full PC with a small dent in it asked for another one and they sent it and havent asked or charged us for the first one
00:25 <Vanhayes> that was about 2 years ago
00:25  * DrJoeTron points out it also depends on the manufacturer of the broke dick parts
00:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I'm still not asleep
00:26 <Vanhayes> #time
00:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: 12:27 AM, August 13, 2006
00:27 <DrJoeTron> man everyone is either retarded or way too good for their own good on mario kart
00:27 <Vanhayes> that is yours right wrtlprnft ?
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> wrlt go harrass nemo to make an aacockpit previewer
00:27 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: ?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> what is mine?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, sure
00:27 <Vanhayes> this is your armabot
00:28 <wrtlprnft> all go ask him
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> grr
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #alias add armabot eightball
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The outlook is poor.
00:28 <Vanhayes> lol
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> armabot help
00:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> but yes, she is
00:28 <wrtlprnft> she's still a she, though
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> armabots a manbot
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #capabilities
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> ack, it sends me a private message
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #unload Time
00:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #load Time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
00:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:30 <wrtlprnft> see, she obeys me
00:30 <Vanhayes> #load time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:30 <Vanhayes> heh
00:30 <GodTodd> #time
00:30 <armabot> GodTodd: 12:31 AM, August 13, 2006
00:30 <Vanhayes> wow I just heard a huge boom of thunder
00:30 <Vanhayes> #weather
00:31 <wrtlprnft> the weather plugin disappeared for some reason
00:31 <GodTodd> well now it's worthless ;)
00:31 <GodTodd> heh
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #love ?
00:32 <DrJoeTron> damn
00:32 <Vanhayes> #whoami
00:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: I don't recognize you.
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #hurt Spidey
00:32 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey 
00:32 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rude-snouted quart of coughed-up retch. 
00:32 <Vanhayes> heh
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> #say blah
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> aww
00:33 <DrJoeTron> #fortune
00:33 <armabot> DrJoeTron: ... ich bin in einem dusenjet ins jahr 53 vor chr ... ich lande im antiken Rom ...  einige gladiatoren spielen scrabble ... ich rieche PIZZA ...
00:33 <Vanhayes> ack
00:33 <Vanhayes> #babelfish
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> german pizza at 53
00:33 <Vanhayes> damn
00:34 <DrJoeTron> #quote
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: This plugin module doesn't have a "Class" attribute to specify which plugin should be instantiated.  If you didn't write this plugin, but received it with Supybot, file a bug with us about this error.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load Plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #list plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: author, contributors, help, list, and plugin
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:34 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
00:34 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
00:35 <DrJoeTron> #quote get 3
00:35 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
00:35 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
00:35 <wrtlprnft> i like number 18
00:35 <Vanhayes> ya its a good one
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list quote
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote search
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: 16 found: #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug...", #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take...", #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in...", #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on...", #16: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code...", #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate...", #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other...", #19: (2 more messages)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #more
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China,...", #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong?...", #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean,...", #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer", #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an...", #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl,...", #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for...", #8: "master your own mind, otherwise (1 more message)
00:37 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #load weather
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "weather" exists.
00:38 <wrtlprnft> umm
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #quit
00:38 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
00:39 <wrtlprnft> wow, armabot takes quite some time to start
00:39 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has joined #armagetron
00:39 <Vanhayes> #hello
00:39 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #364: || Sand fleas eating the Internet cables
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #load Weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Weather is already loaded.
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #list weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #cnn munich, germany
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 54.0�F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Wind: SW at 3 mph (5 km/h).
00:40 <wrtlprnft> whatever 54F is
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #load CyborgName
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Cyborgname is already loaded.
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #list
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #load Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #list vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands.  This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior.  Try "config list supybot.plugins.Vim" to see what configuration variables it has.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: @#autokban and public
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #plugin help Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin is loaded, but has no plugin help.
00:42 <wrtlprnft> i have no idea what this plugin does...
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #unload Vim
00:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton
00:43 <wrtlprnft> must have something to do with bans
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton, AR is 90.0�F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 54%. Wind: SW at 4 mph (6 km/h).
00:43 <Vanhayes> bah
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 55?F / 13?C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers or thundershowers ending this evening then clearing. Amount 5 mm except locally 15 mm in thundershowers. Low 7.; Sunday - Sunny in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of showers in the (1 more message)
00:44  * Vanhayes is surprised his connection hasnt dropped yet
00:44 <Vanhayes> #more
00:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: afternoon. Wind becoming west 20 km/h late in the morning. High 21. UV index 6 or high. Sunday night..a few clouds. Wind west 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 10.; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 22.;
00:45 <wrtlprnft> you're online for an unusually long time, yes
00:45 <DrJoeTron> time to cook som bacon!
00:45 <wrtlprnft> so, any more wishes regarding armabot?
00:45 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:46 <DrJoeTron> make armabot love me
00:46 <wrtlprnft> that's her decision
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #armabot do you love DrJoeTron 
00:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: It is possible.
00:46 <wrtlprnft> i'd call that pretty positive
00:46 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love lobsters?
00:46 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:46 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:46 <DrJoeTron> i found my match in heaven
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love Spidey
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Obviously.
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot I'm breaking up with you
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:47 <Vanhayes> Hahaha
00:48 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
00:48 <DrJoeTron> ive been thinking
00:48 <DrJoeTron> If walls could talk, people would camp more.
00:48 <Vanhayes> #eliza
00:49 <Vanhayes> aw
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's not that armabot takes a long time to start, it's that it takes a long time to login to freenode
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I watch Konversation take 30 seconds to login
00:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't notice logging into freenode usually
00:50 <wrtlprnft> irssi starts in a screen session even before X11 starts
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> this copy job sure is taking a long time
00:52 <wrtlprnft> well, to make spidey happy:
00:52 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:52 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:53 <spidey> hey
00:54 <spidey> get your ass back here
00:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft!
00:59 <spidey> -_-
01:00 <spidey> he wanted a script to split the armalogs up
01:00 <spidey> so i made one -_-
01:00 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey 
01:00 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a beef-witted stack of thick eel. 
01:00 <Vanhayes> heh 
01:00 <spidey> only one problem though
01:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
01:01 <spidey> ahhh
01:01 <spidey> nvm
01:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, here's the script to split the armalog into multiple files http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
01:09 <spidey> put that in a .php somewhere hidden and every 4-5 days goto that page and it'll split them
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's still on my home partition :(
01:11 <spidey> also you can change the numlines,to make it bigger or smaller
01:11 <spidey> what is?
01:13 <spidey> bhelp
01:13 <spidey> er
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> my copy job
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm copying all of my gentoo installation to a different partition so I can repartition the main hard drive
01:24 <spidey> copy job?
01:24 <spidey> ah
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> then I have to copy it *back*
01:24 <spidey> heh
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> luckily my partition layout should let me get it all done without having to touch grub :)
01:24 <spidey> hope you're on sata :p
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> nope
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on slower-than-dirt ide
01:25 <spidey> heh
01:25 <spidey> well
01:25 <spidey> why not tar the hole thing then upload it to your server
01:25 <spidey> then redownload it after
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> this is on my server
01:25 <spidey> oh
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> as part of an attempt to improve performance and reliability, I'm repartitioning with a different layout and reiserfs
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, I want to enforce home directory quotas so I can reasonably backup the home partition
01:26 <spidey> heh
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> can't backup a home partition that could grow in size to 20GB with what I've got, so I need to keep each user down to less than 1 GB so I can back it up
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's a big sweeping change I'm making, but it's very important
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> and supposedly using reiserfs will actually give each user a little more working space within their quota
01:27 <spidey> cool
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I spent 3 hours on the other day trying to get exact partition sizes :)
01:29 <spidey> hmm
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a go shave and shit and do some dishes, hopefully I'll be able to repartition and start the second big copy job right before I cook dinner
01:29 <spidey> lol
01:29 <GodTodd> shave and shit at the same time
01:30 <GodTodd> efficiency, man ;)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, "shit" here is "brush my teeth", because technically I already shat
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm if shitting = brushing your teeth something is seriously wrong :D
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just broke the news to my wife that we're buying a backup server when my check gets here and she didn't tell me no
01:31 <spidey> what does she want?
01:31 <GodTodd> food and shit i'd imagine :)
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> she just doesn't want to spend money on computer hardware when the stuff we have "works"
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I could do the breakdown and show her how not having a good backup plan cost us several thousand dollars this summer, and it may wind up costing me my 4.0 GPA
01:31 <GodTodd> yeah but does it work "better"?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> she didn't challenge me on it, though, so I didn't have to do the breakdown
01:32 <spidey> well if she would have said no,but didn't this time...she must want something too :p
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> more likely she just knew she couldn't say no this time, because I didn't ask.  If I didn't think we needed it, I would have asked instead.  :)
01:32 <spidey> lol
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to shave and shit.  I'm a little anxious the webserver's down, but it'll be back up, and better than ever :)
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, not enough shaving cream and nothing but dull razor blades
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> MY FACE HURTS!!
01:51 <spidey> use a knife dundee
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> I do it just like dundee.  I only pick up the knife and use it when my wife is looking
01:52 <spidey> lmao
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> and she just went swimming
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the copy job has moved on to the usr partition
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01:53 <spidey> well
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> technically on the old layout there is no usr partition, there is only / and /home
01:53 <spidey> i'ma watch another movie and be mad wrtlprnft went to sleep 10seconds before i finished that script for him -_-
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want gratitude, you could write me a script :)
01:54 <spidey> gratitude?
01:54 <spidey> #dict gratitude
01:54 <armabot> spidey: wn and gcide responded: wn: gratitude n : a feeling of thankfulness and appreciation; "he was overwhelmed with gratitude for their help" [ant: {ingratitude}]; gcide: Gratitude \Grat"i*tude\, n. [F. gratitude, LL. gratitudo, from gratus agreeable, grateful. See {Grate}, a.] The state of being grateful; warm and friendly feeling toward a benefactor; kindness awakened by a favor received; thankfulness. (1 more message)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> I need a script that takes as input the path to a .wav file, and has things like "author", "song", "genre", and stuff, and then uses oggenc and flacenc to make 3 oggs of varying quality and 1 flac
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> and the input should be in a text file, not commandline
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> commandline argument should just be the text file :)
01:55 <spidey> eh
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> if you actually want to write it, I can give a list of attributes the file needs.  If you don't, I'll get to it sooner or later.
01:56 <spidey> hmm
01:56 <spidey> will php do??,and i dunno if i can do that
01:56 <spidey> i still suck at it :(
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> php is fine, command-line apps aren't much different from php apps
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> but the file format should be name=value, which isn't terribly hard to parse with php
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> er, command-line apps aren't much different from web apps
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference is where you take the command line args from.  Instead of the querystring, you get it from somewheres else, but php makes it available the same way, just a different name for the variable
01:58 <spidey> i don't even know where to start with something like that,but i'll try,what's the attributes?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> actually, php might be better than python for this :)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> from oggenc --help:
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -c, --comment=c      Add the given string as an extra comment. This may be
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>                       used multiple times. The argument should be in the
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>                       format "tag=value".
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -d, --date           Date for track (usually date of performance)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -N, --tracknum       Track number for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -t, --title          Title for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -l, --album          Name of album
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -a, --artist         Name of artist
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -G, --genre          Genre of track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to generate the output filenames yourself, but how you do it doesn't matter terribly, I"ll probably hack it anyway
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> the important thing is the file input and the wrapping of oggenc and flac
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> one other attribute:  wavfilename=<something>
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be the input for oggenc and flac, obviously :)
02:01 <spidey> what's flac?
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> free lossless audio codec
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's a xiph project now, in fact, so it can be put into the ogg container, but oggenc doesn't handle it.
02:09 <spidey> how does oggnec work?
02:09 <spidey> oggnec attributes inputfile outputfile?
02:10 <spidey> wait,nvm :D
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4787207.stm  <--- this is the start of a run-up to another invasion in another middle eastern country
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> the filename should be something like %track_%artist_%album_%title_%quality.ogg, where %quality is determined by the script and the rest come from the file
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> just like the filename you get from a CD ripper, only with a quality attached to it that indicates the quality of the encoding
02:14 <spidey> ok this one's over me :D
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> the 3 qualities I want are 0, 5, and 10
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  :)  Thanks anyway, I'll get it sometime, probably after my calc final.  But I'll keep trying to get someone else to do it until then.  ;)
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> (wrtlprnft declined, heh)
02:14 <spidey> lol
02:15 <spidey> i would,but i suck at php ;s
02:15 <spidey> god to the amount of typos involved -_-
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a bash script that almost did it, but it got lost in the partition table thingee
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise I'd have extended that script already to handle it.  :/
02:16 <spidey> i can tell you how to do the random outputname though
02:16 <spidey> in php
02:16 <spidey> well
02:16 <spidey> not random
02:16 <spidey> just numbered
02:17 <spidey> well,kinda ;s
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's all fairly easy for me, I mean, I do this sort of thing every day anyway, in php no less.  It's probably about a half hour of work, it's just very low priority right now
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> it'll raise in priority after my final, and I'll do it, probably in python.
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> Only I'll make it more general so GodTodd can use it for a similar conversion he needs to make
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> the only way the language actually matters is that if I do it in bash again, it'll take me a lot longer to work it out, so it'll be python if I do it
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe if I get my server done early I'll do it tonight.  The script is for taking songs that I recorded and outputting them into formats that people will download
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> the lowest quality version will be a free download, the others you pay for.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> and if someone's going to pay for a song download, the file needs to be as professional as possible, which means having all the right tags in it for their media player
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got enough songs to start selling my album a track at a time, and if they do decently, I get financial justification for finishing the album, so it's kind of important to me
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, gotta wash dishes, bbiab
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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03:11 <DrJoeTron> tit wont go away
03:33 <DrJoeTron> hey guys
03:33 <DrJoeTron> does tna have two screen names?
03:34 <DrJoeTron> or is there two of them
03:35 <spidey> he has one called john
03:35 <DrJoeTron> how about alienwarecrazy
03:35 <DrJoeTron> and Nick Titnass
03:36 <spidey> 'uno
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03:38 <Vanhayes> he kept switching between Titsnass and keenan in LOL's server
03:39 <Vanhayes> spidey: where is US fortress server located?
03:39 <DrJoeTron> i mean on AIM
03:45 <spidey> Vanhayes hell if i know
03:45 <spidey> tna = keenan?
03:45 <DrJoeTron> cya
03:45 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
03:48 <Vanhayes> im not sure, but maybe thats why TNA has been acting like an ass lately, maybe he is really Keenan and not the real TNA
03:50 <spidey> Vanhayes do me a favor
03:50 <spidey> set team_max_imbalance to 1
03:50 <Vanhayes> ok
03:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players
03:50 <spidey> :D
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03:53 <Vanhayes> done
03:53 <Vanhayes> it was at 5 0_o
03:54 <spidey> ya
04:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, you misunderstood me-- yell at the idiots pushing MiB over MB. There are no 1000-base byte units
04:25  * luke-jr_ personally pushes for any binary-based unit systems
04:25 <luke-jr_> eg, cup/pottle/quart/gallon
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: On the back end (function definition), see veMath and veComparison for definitions of 'sin' and 'iff'
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: for the front end (actual parsing), see the stuff that handles <Value ...> in cockpits
04:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I might not implement variables at all-- instead, DCT should make them unnecessary (read-only stuff would be an argument-less function)
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> wiki's up again
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's how mom noticed it was down.  He was editing it.  Heh.  Oops.
05:46 <spidey> lol
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: no, I understood you, I just ranted here instead.  I don't know anybody stupid enough to think MiB is a useful unit, sorry.
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> oops, screwed up the partitioning, heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 44M partition for svn, and it's supposed to be 4GB
06:11  * Lucifer_arma slaps himself
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: website's back up, in case you hadn't noticed and you needed it
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> User	Unnamed Wimp
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Location	http://www.davefancella.com/thisdoesnotexistahaha.php
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Referrer	
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Message	thisdoesnotexistahaha.php not found.
06:25 <spidey> good god
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> what?
06:25 <spidey> 1 hour and 30 minutes to hash 30gig 6 of which are hashed already and the process is set at high priority
06:26 <spidey> 157 files -_-
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> rsync?
06:26 <spidey> nah
06:27 <spidey> p2p client uses hash's
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm waiting a long fucking time for a directory to be copied across partitions
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the problems with having all these partitions, when you copy across them, the file actually has to be copied byte by byte :(
06:28 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
06:29 <spidey> lmao
06:29 <spidey> the time goes up when i move my mouse
06:29 <spidey> and goes down wen i don't
06:31 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you mean to use "MiB" instead of "MB"? The proponents of "MiB" insist without the "i" is 1000-based
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I thought they were insisting we use MiB for base 10 version of the unit and keep MB the same
06:31 <spidey> how many movies are in the nightmare on elm street set?
06:31 <spidey> 3?
06:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nope, dumb isn't it?
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's dumb anyway.  If the computer were base 10, it would make sense, but it's not
06:33 <luke-jr_> if the computer were base 10, a byte would be smaller than a bit and probably not used =p
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's especially dumb for Americans using imperial units to bitch about it in the first place :)
06:34 <luke-jr_> base 10 counting is dumb, anyway =p
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> base e is better :)
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4.5 GB in MB
06:36 <armabot> 4.5 gigabytes = 4,608 megabytes
06:36 <luke-jr_> never figured out why the people who created metric stuck with a nonsensical base
06:36 <luke-jr_> yay google
06:36 <luke-jr_> base e and pi are fun, but not too useful except maybe for radians
06:37  * luke-jr_ wrote a base conversion function that could handle fractional bases
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be happy to switch to base 2, the math is mostly the same anyway
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> rather, base 16
06:37 <luke-jr_> I'd prefer base 16 for writing-- it's compatible with base 2 :)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> base 2 for hardcore stuff, base 16 for regular hand-written work
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> and then I'd support having 1024 feet in a mile, with 1024 inches in a foot, etc.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd keep feet/yards/miles just to piss off the SI people
06:39 <luke-jr_> heh
06:39 <luke-jr_> I'd rename units tho
06:39 <luke-jr_> I maintain a clock applet for KDE that shows the hexadecimal time
06:39 <luke-jr_> right now, it's .3:14 :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I've got the size I wanted for /backup and /var/svn
06:40 <luke-jr_> crap, I forgot pi in hex :(
06:40  * luke-jr_ used to know it to 2 digits =p
06:42 <luke-jr_> 4, actually
06:42 <luke-jr_> 3.243f6a8885a3
06:42 <luke-jr_> not sure where that loses its accuracy
06:42 <luke-jr_> pretty sure 3.243f is accurate tho
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> it would be mildly entertaining if it turned out pi was rational in base 16
06:43 <luke-jr_> I don't think it can be rational in any integer base
06:43 <luke-jr_> seeing that any integer base can be represented by a fraction
06:43 <luke-jr_> in fact, I don't think it's possible in any rational base ;p
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I dont' really know enough about pi deep down inside to even venture a guess.  All's I know is that a taylor series can be used to compute it,
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> but the series itself is pretty wild and freaky
06:45 <luke-jr_> but an irrational number (such as pi) cannot be represented by a fraction
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yes it can
06:45 <luke-jr_> not accurately
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the catch is that you have to have accurate measurements
06:46 <luke-jr_> and any rational number in a rational base can be a fraction
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> pi was originally defined as the ratio between the circumferance and diameter of a circle, which is a fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> ok, a *rational* fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> the only way to make an irrational number rational is to use an irrational base
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, if the fraction can't be turned into a decimal with a finite number of digits, it's irrational :)
06:47 <luke-jr_> eh? 1/9 is considered irrational?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> but 1/8 is not
06:47  * luke-jr_ thought irrationality was stricter than that
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, anyway.  That's how it was taught to me
06:48 <luke-jr_> as I was taught, only numbers like pi and e are irrational
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> these days it's more important to tell the difference between an exact value and an approximation anyway
06:48 <luke-jr_> IIRC, but that was years ago
06:48 <luke-jr_> today my main interest in pi and such is memorization ;)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, square root of 2 is irrational too, I think.  There are radicals that are irrational
06:49 <luke-jr_> aww, I missed .3:24 :(
06:49 <luke-jr_> well, yeah, but I mean as far as common-use
06:49 <luke-jr_> or is sqrt2 used?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I'm getting more intimate with pi than I thought I would, even in trig.  Actually, I'm getting more intimate with e than I ever cared to.
06:50 <luke-jr_> hex time passes a bit quick
06:50 <luke-jr_> approx 40 seconds per hex-minute, IIRC
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_Numbers
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 24 / 32
06:50 <armabot> 24 / 32 = 0.75
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 60 * 0.75
06:50 <armabot> 60 * 0.75 = 45
06:50 <luke-jr_> so 45 minutes in a hex-hour
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so fractions are rational
06:51 <armabot> 45 / 256 = 0.17578125
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256 * 60
06:51 <armabot> (45 / 256) * 60 = 10.546875
06:51 <luke-jr_> that can't be right... O.o
06:51  * luke-jr_ must be tired
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> so radicals are either natural numbers or irrational numbers, but can't be rational
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> except that rational is a superset that includes natural numbers :)
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 24/16*60
06:52 <armabot> (24 / 16) * 60 = 90
06:52 <luke-jr_> correction: *90* minutes to a hex-hour
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 90 / 256 * 60
06:52 <armabot> (90 / 256) * 60 = 21.09375
06:53 <luke-jr_> still seems wrong there
06:53 <luke-jr_> I guess not
06:53 <luke-jr_> counted it out
06:53 <luke-jr_> so approx 21 seconds per a hex-minute
06:53 <luke-jr_> which is why sometimes the last digit of the time is sometimes unused, I guess
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, umm, how long is the day?
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the day should be FF hex-hours, is that what you set it up as?
06:56 <luke-jr_> 16 hex-hours
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x10, I mean ;)
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x100 hex-minutes per hex-hour
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60*24
06:56 <armabot> 60 * 24 = 1,440
06:57 <luke-jr_> so 0x(1/10) is the second hour of the day
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1024 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 1,024 = 0x400
06:57 <luke-jr_> 4096 is nicer
06:57 <luke-jr_> iirc
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
06:57 <luke-jr_> #g 4096 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 4,096 = 0x1000
06:57 <luke-jr_> heh, then we get "KB" = blocks ;)
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> just trying to get something that gets 1 minute close to a hex minute
06:57 <luke-jr_> by default on ext3 anyhow
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, don't blocks vary with hd's?
06:58 <luke-jr_> good luck, I imagine the current hex time system is the way it is because there's no good alternative
06:58 <luke-jr_> blocks vary with filesystem formatting
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a real hex time system?  heh.
06:58 <luke-jr_> ext3's default is 4 KB
06:58 <luke-jr_> yes, though I deviate a bit from it
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> aha, tht's why ext3 supposedly uses more space for portage than reiser's supposed to use
06:59 <luke-jr_> I trash time zones and use <date>.<time>
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06:59 <luke-jr_> reiser has some dynamic block size thing, IIRC
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, all's I know is it's supposed to outperform ext3 by quite a bit, and I figured since I had to repartition anyway, I may as well go for it and see if it speeds up my server
07:00 <luke-jr_> w/ reiser, /boot needs its own partition
07:00 <luke-jr_> either with another fs, or with the notail option
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> grub can read reiser now, but I made /boot ext2
07:00 <luke-jr_> I've heard some scary stories with reiser tho, so I avoid it
07:00 <luke-jr_> GRUB can read reiser w/ tails?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure, all I know is that grub can read reiser, I know nothing more.  Remember, I made my /boot ext2 :)
07:01 <luke-jr_> tails is a default option ;)
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> I saw something saying you needed to give grub some additional parameters, but I ignored it because I wasn't doing reiser for /boot
07:02 <luke-jr_> hm
07:02 <luke-jr_> notail would go in fstab, not grub
07:04 <luke-jr_> hehe, wikipedia totally lacks any knowledge of non-integer bases
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I like the idea of base pi.  Then a unit circle has diameter 2 :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe I should rethink that a bit
07:06 <luke-jr_> lol
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, base pi gives a unit circle a diameter of 2
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> no
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:07 <luke-jr_> I count on my fingers in base 5 :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, trying to work on my backup system
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07:15 <spidey> g[jfg';jk;gfjk;lfdjyh;lkjsfdl'hgjfl;'jhfljhlkfjghlkfjdhjfdhklfgjk]
07:15 <spidey> damn it
07:16 <spidey> fucking client hashing all those movies is causing the one i'm trying to watch to crash cause of the cpu cycle
07:16 <spidey> -_-
07:16 <guru3> hash hahaha
07:16 <spidey> ?
07:16 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
07:16 <spidey> hash
07:16 <spidey> only there's 57minutes left now
07:16 <guru3> can't open links
07:17 <spidey> the p2p client uses hash's
07:17 <spidey> example
07:17 <spidey> arlnk://hashlink
07:17 <guru3> i know
07:17 <spidey> that opens my p2p client and downloads a file :D
07:17 <guru3> doesn't keep me from laughing
07:17 <spidey> :p
07:18 <guru3> g2g now
07:18 <guru3> l8r
07:18 <spidey> cya
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07:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, now I've got to do the shit-work part...cleaning up and organizing my home directory and the shared directory, then setting up user quotas :/
07:46 <spidey> sounds fun
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's shit work.  :(
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> basically, first pull it all to my laptop, then organize it, then setup syncing my laptop's home and shared directory to the server
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's 2 home directory backups in there, too.  One from my laptop and a much older one
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
08:02 <GodTodd> a bit
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> what child of Amber would be best to use for a backup server?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> the main server is benedict, and my laptop is ghostwheel.  Who makes a good backup?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> my old laptop was Random, heh
08:05 <GodTodd> Julian maybe?
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard, hmmm
08:05 <GodTodd> or Gerard
08:05 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Julian would stab you in the back if he got pissed at you
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard wouldn't, though.  Yeah, I think the backup server should be gerard
08:06 <GodTodd> sounds good :)
08:06  * Lucifer_arma wonders if his wife is ever going to notice the naming convention on the computers
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> probably when my daughter's computer gets named Deirdre she'll start noticing :)
08:07 <GodTodd> heh
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> my old windows box that I kept around for awhile was named Flora becuase it was flaky, it ran windows so it was flaky
08:08 <spidey> nah
08:08 <spidey> i can turn a win98 box into one of the smoothest running systems you've seen
08:09 <spidey> my hp from 98 was 733mhz and 64mb ram,i had it running like this box which is 3times that in cpu and whatever in ram
08:10 <spidey> then my other grandma gave it to one of my uncles -_-
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> THIS IS THE STUPIDEST IMPORTER EVER!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then for no good reason it shows a prompt that says "Could not import message into folder", and makes you click ok to continue importing
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> a *smart* importer would just collect all that and tell me at the end, so I could go smoke or something while it ran
08:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: does that do anything different than split -d -l 500 armaglogs.txt?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you still kicking?  :)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I'm going to add a whole slew of articles to the website in a little bit, backlog I want to clear.  May as well put them in and have them show on the front page, what do you think?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> it'll push your article down pretty far..
08:58 <GodTodd> sure
08:58 <GodTodd> i got more stuff in the works anyway :)
09:04 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:07 <wrtlprnft> test to see if the new cronjob works. If it does this line should appear in http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2006-08-13.txt in 3 minutes
09:11 <wrtlprnft> didn't work, let's try again...
09:15 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it's updating
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #alias add realchatlogs "echo $who: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/"
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:17 <wrtlprnft> I hope spidey's gonna shut up now
09:20 <GodTodd> wishful thinking :)
09:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah >.<
09:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: 		<Value field="minimum" expr="-1*10" />
09:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: this just exits arma, looks like an uncaught exeption
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ok, didn't want to just toss it up there and make you mad.  :)  Most of it is stuff that's already run on other sites, mostly Newsforge and LWN
09:23 <GodTodd> heh...takes a lot to make me mad
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> some of it's already on the site, so I'll have to look around and make sure I'm not duplicating
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be at least a little annoyed if I got invited to write on a website, wrote an article, and then my buddy went and threw his backlog on there and washed the one I wrote back a page or two
09:24 <GodTodd> besides...the article i wrote is pretty bland...kind of a feet wetting thing
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> Some of them I'm probably just going to predate so they don't show up on the front page because I don't want them there right now
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still going through it all so I haven't made any real decisions.  Probably I'll stick 'em in moderation so you can take a look at them before they go public anyway.
09:25 <GodTodd> as long as none of it badmouths me i'm cool ;)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you'll probably like them.  It's not commentary for the most part, though, mostly how-tos and stuff.
09:26 <GodTodd> cool :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting a tad distracted reading them, heh.
09:26  * Lucifer_arma looks for his focus
09:26 <GodTodd> 250$ for 3 classes worth of books...sound decent?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 250/3
09:26 <armabot> 250 / 3 = 83.3333333
09:26 <GodTodd> keeping in mind that 2 of them are for trig and c++
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.  I was about to ask about that.  :)
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, english and history and stuff tend to be around $40, math and others $80+
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> down here, anyway
09:27 <GodTodd> yeah...sounds like what i was seeing :/
09:27 <GodTodd> fuckin' racket
09:27 <GodTodd> heh
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> my calc book was $150, but it covers 3 classes
09:28 <GodTodd> yeah...karen said that's the one i'll probably have to get
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> I could have bought a different book that covered calc 1 and 2 for $100, and then another book for calc 3 that was also $100
09:28 <GodTodd> when i get there
09:28 <GodTodd> thing is...i think i only have to go through calc 2
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, then you'll need to burn that bridge when you come to it.  :)
09:29 <GodTodd> yep
09:29 <GodTodd> :)
09:29 <GodTodd> i priced books at the bookstore, amazon and pj's
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> also check for hidden calc classes in other places.  Something like "Advanced differentiation for applications"
09:29 <GodTodd> i think i have to take diff eq
09:29 <GodTodd> eventually
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> blech.  I found the bookstore and the one across the street had the same prices, and I won't wait for shipping.
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> diff eq is a different textbook, afaik, for us
09:30 <GodTodd> yep...that's what i found too
09:30 <GodTodd> so i'll get what i can at the bookstore and what i can't get there i'll get at pj's :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> so have you started class already, or just getting ready and taking the chance on the bookstore ordering the wrong book?
09:30 <GodTodd> dunno yet
09:30 <GodTodd> classes start on the 28th
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you buy early enough, the bookstores are good about keeping shit in stock.
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, same here.  Class ends on Tuesday, not much of a break
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> I try to buy the first day.  I go to class, get the syllabus, then go straight to the bookstore and take the hit on waiting in line.
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09:32 <GodTodd> i tend to trust the right books being there because pj's and the bookstore had them the same....the only thing that would fuck me up is if they change during the short break ;)
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron, do you buy your textbooks before the semester starts or after?
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> nah, they won't change then, there's at least a semester of lead time on that stuff
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i buy them the day after the semester starts
09:32 <DrJoeTron> so i know what to buy
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the bookstore could order and recover quickly, but the departments need time
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> so you go to class and get the syllabus, then stand in line at the bookstore?
09:33 <DrJoeTron> close
09:33 <DrJoeTron> theres a college book store quarter mile up the road
09:33 <GodTodd> yeah...see...cccc has an online bookstore...you put in your semester, the dept, the class, and the section and it tells you the books you need
09:33 <DrJoeTron> last year i bought my books a weekbefore hand
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> my first semester I bought my textbooks a couple of days before the semester started, and the psych book was wrong, and one of the books I got for comp I wasn't used
09:34 <DrJoeTron> and then sold back what i didnt need
09:34 <DrJoeTron> see, its best to get the syllabus first
09:34 <DrJoeTron> ...but then you get caught in the rush
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, selling back is a loss, I had to give them back during the grace period where I could get a full refund
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> the rush doesn't seem too bad around here if you go in right after class.  I mean, in the between-class period the bookstore is pretty packed, but it clears out
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> you're only in line 20 minutes max
09:35 <GodTodd> my classes are at night :)
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> bookstore isn't open then?
09:35 <GodTodd> nope
09:35 <GodTodd> afaik anyway
09:36 <GodTodd> they may be on some fucked up summer hours right now
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> what about other bookstores?  Like joe mentioned, they tend to have competitors and stuff
09:36 <GodTodd> but as of right now they close at 7
09:36 <GodTodd> yeah...pj's around here
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> my experience is that fall hours are the longest run, spring next, and I've no idea what the summer hours are like
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, since I bought the big calc book I didn't need to buy a textbook for this summer
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll need 2 textbooks in the fall, US Gov and physics
09:37 <GodTodd> hell i just hope i didn't forget how to study
09:37 <GodTodd> heh
09:38 <DrJoeTron> no idea what i need yet
09:38 <DrJoeTron> i still have to see what to get
09:38 <GodTodd> 3 colleges and 13 years and still going for a BS....slow enough? :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> no idea what classes you're taking yet?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> im allready registered
09:39 <DrJoeTron> i just need to check out what i need to get for books
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so this is "play like I don't know what's going on" mode?  ;)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I'm also taking a drafting class, and I don't have any idea what supplies I'll need for that
09:39 <GodTodd> drafting stuff, i'd imagine :)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife found my win2k disc, so I wont' have to repartition my laptop if they require me to get autocad
09:39 <DrJoeTron> nah this is "gotta cram out a few more things before...shit i gotta get books" mode
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just run win2k in qemu :)
09:40 <DrJoeTron> io just got back from chicago
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> this is likely to be a fun semester for me :)
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you lived in chicago?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> i say that because its easier
09:40 <DrJoeTron> im like 10 minutes from it
09:40 <GodTodd> i'm tempted to dual boot linux on here so that i can prove to myself that i don't need windows :)
09:41 <GodTodd> it's like me saying i live in Dallas :)
09:41 <DrJoeTron> like i could walk to chicago
09:41 <DrJoeTron> but i dont live downtown
09:41 <DrJoeTron> though id love to
09:41 <DrJoeTron> beautiful city
09:42 <DrJoeTron> i just got back from an improv play
09:42 <DrJoeTron> To much light makes the baby go blind
09:42 <DrJoeTron> too*
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just like me saying I live in Austin, too
09:42 <GodTodd> yep
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> the only way you can prove you don't need windows is to single-boot linux :)
09:42 <DrJoeTron> its 30 plays in 1 hour
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...but i don't want to take that chance with school coming up...
09:43 <GodTodd> i'm chickenshit
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  I switched distributions during school :)
09:43 <GodTodd> yeah well...i r stoopid ;)
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I took the hit and installed linux on my laptop when I found Windows was turning me into an ADD kid
09:43 <DrJoeTron> i built a new pc durring school
09:43 <GodTodd> i built a new pc IN school :P
09:44 <DrJoeTron> windows doesnt take too long to load in
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> joe built himself a new robotic girlfriend the week before finals
09:44 <DrJoeTron> she left me for the toaster
09:44 <GodTodd> i blew up a pc once...for class
09:44 <GodTodd> it wasn't supposed to blow...but i'm good that way heh
09:45 <DrJoeTron> my family.....they were sad to see her leave
09:45 <DrJoeTron> mainly because she took the toaster
09:45 <GodTodd> i like toasters....they give good bread
09:45 <DrJoeTron> well...i mean toasters arent so great... :/
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a picture to make you all go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <DrJoeTron> if this is goatse
09:46 <GodTodd> i have a 5 month old...i got a shitload of those :)
09:46 <DrJoeTron> it wont make me go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/anthonybox.jpg
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> he was 3 in that picture, iirc
09:47 <DrJoeTron> now he is 26!
09:47 <DrJoeTron> my how they grow!
09:47 <GodTodd> well...dude...if ya need money....;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, he's just 6
09:47 <GodTodd> ;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, he did that on his own
09:47 <GodTodd> i know
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> his bedroom was like another 20 steps from there, with a nice bed on a frame and all, but he just climbed into the box instead
09:48 <GodTodd> that's kids
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> I took the picture, and then took him out of the box and carried him to bed
09:48 <DrJoeTron> looks like he's low matenance
09:49 <GodTodd> when i was a kid we didn't even *have* boxes
09:49 <GodTodd> heh
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> hell, we didn't even have a floor
09:50 <GodTodd> in La Luz....probably not :)
09:53 <GodTodd> this is the trip when tommy decided it might be cool to be an astronaut :)
09:53 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/tommyspacemodule.jpg
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> and not just any astronaut, that's a genuine Mercury capsule there
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> not a replica, that fucker went to space
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I could be talking out my ass
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> did you tell him that to fly in a Mercury capsule he has to have a genie?
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> err, or did that guy fly in the Gemini program?
09:56 <GodTodd> not sure
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> the show was made in the 70s, wasn't it?  Which would have been the Apollo program
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> but he only went orbital, Apollo was moon
09:58 <DrJoeTron> alright
09:58 <DrJoeTron> bed time
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it's probably just a fictional program
09:58 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
09:58 <GodTodd> '65-'70
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> 'night DrJoeTron 
09:59 <GodTodd> nite joe
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> 65-70 would be Apollo, too
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> the moonshot was in 69
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but that would have been Apollo's orbital period, building up to the moonshot
09:59  * Lucifer_arma will put his paper on the subject on the website in a bit
10:01 <GodTodd> heh
10:06 <GodTodd> apparently they show him doing mercury, gemini and apollo
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> really?
10:08 <GodTodd> yep
10:08 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> the show ran that long?  Or they just wanted to model him after Gus Grissom?
10:08 <GodTodd> Wally Shirra actually
10:08 <GodTodd> only astronaut to actually fly all 3
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, hmmm
10:15  * Lucifer_arma forgets
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> Gus Grissom flew Mercury and Gemini, but he got killed during Apollo
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> he might have been in the capsule that burned up on the launchpad, hence he was an Apollo astronaut but didn't fly
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think Mercury for the jeanie guy just because the cartoon at the beginning shows him as the single crewmember on the capsule :)
10:18 <GodTodd> yah...gus grissom died in apollo 1
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> almost finished reorganizing myself
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to settle some permissions, though
10:27 <wrtlprnft> is the wiki still down?
10:28 <wrtlprnft> betw I did notice the wiki went down yesterday, but i didn't say anything as you complained the last time
10:28 <GodTodd> welp...naptime for me...
10:28 <GodTodd> #night
10:28 <wrtlprnft> about the fact that i told you it wasn't woking like 20 seconds after you broke it
10:28 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
10:28 <wrtlprnft> night GodTodd 
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, wasn't complaining last time, was surprised someone noticed that quickly
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no, wiki's back up again, explanation and apology on the forum
10:30 <wrtlprnft> you sounded kinda annoyed about it ;)
10:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i can't reach it :S
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> nah.  Just another case where typed messages don't always come off as intended.  :/
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's responding for me...
10:31 <wrtlprnft> ah, it works now
10:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like opera had so many requests to the wiki in queue that weren't responding that the new ones didn't come through
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha
10:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6068 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/AUTHORS: davidfancella is an administrator, so he may receive spam too :P
10:42 <wrtlprnft> guru3, z-man and davidfancella are the Administrators, any spam goes to them.
10:42  * wrtlprnft laughts at Lucifer_arma 
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *laughs
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://armagetronad.net/contacts.php seems to be borked
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  I told unison to ignore flightgear, but it's scanning that directory anyway.  I guess it has to scan it and get a list of files in it before it can ignore it.
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's 13 GB I really don't need synchronized :/
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what is the library that plays music in arma?
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ty
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> np
11:43 <wrtlprnft> if it decides to play it for a change ;)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting tired of watching latitude/longitude going across my screen :(
11:46 <wrtlprnft> watch something else?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I knew it wasn't supposed to scan the directory if it was ignoring it
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiping out all previous backups
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> ack, the long part.  :(
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not waiting 94 minutes for this to finish, I'll just have to check in the morning to see if it did it right
12:28 <wrtlprnft> good night i guess
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> #night
12:40 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
13:00 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#extensions
13:00 <wrtlprnft> For example, negative-root-two, to 32 significant figures, would be -1.4142135623730950488016887242097e0, the radius of the earth given in furlongs, to an arbitrary precision, would be 3.17e4, and the answer to the life, the universe and everything could be any of (amongst others) 42, 0042.000, 42e0, 4.2e1, or 420e-1.
13:00 <wrtlprnft> lol @42
13:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
13:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: #realchatlogs
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
13:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
13:11 <spidey> o.O
13:12 <wrtlprnft> i made it split by date, not line count
13:12 <spidey> ah
13:12 <wrtlprnft> otherwise I could have used split -l 500 :P
13:13 <spidey> ;p
13:15 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/splitlogs.txt <-- you can learn something there :P
13:16 <spidey> cool
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13:57 <jnmbk> hi, I want to translate this amazing game into my language (Turkish), where should I begin ?
13:58 <jnmbk> is there any document about translating?
14:02 <jnmbk> ok, I see, it's simpler than I thought. I'll just translate english_base.txt...
14:03 <wrtlprnft> yep
14:04 <wrtlprnft> send us the result :)
14:06 <jnmbk> I will ;) (it may take a few weeks to finish 2700/3=900 lines completely)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's lots of strings :s
14:37 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can I use UTF-8?
14:38 <jnmbk> we have some different characters like ?????? ??????
14:39 <jnmbk> without dots they look like cosigu COSIGU
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: unfortunately not
15:36 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can i use these? ??
15:37 <jnmbk> these chars are in german charset too
15:37 <jnmbk> only 2 of them
15:37 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: my IRC client uses latin-1
15:37 <wrtlprnft> you can use everything in latin-1
15:37 <jnmbk> ok
15:38 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1#Code_table <-- you can use all of these
15:38 <jnmbk> it includes ? & ?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> can't see those chars if you write them in IRC
15:39 <wrtlprnft> at least i can't
15:39 <jnmbk> ah, wait i'll switch to iso 8859-1
15:41 <jnmbk> ??
15:41 <wrtlprnft> hmm, just looking up in wikipedia since i don't speak turkish
15:41 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: still can't see it
15:41 <jnmbk> ok, I cant use this konversation :)
15:41 <wrtlprnft> latin-1 does have the C with a cedile
15:42 <wrtlprnft> but not the G with the inverse circumflexe
15:42 <jnmbk> and it includes o with dots on it
15:42 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and the U, as those are german chars
15:42 <wrtlprnft> not the S though
15:43 <wrtlprnft> and not those I without dot
15:43 <wrtlprnft> you'd need latin-3 I think
15:43 <jnmbk> and are you planning to go utf-8 some time?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-3
15:44 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: yeah, somewhere in the future
15:44 <wrtlprnft> infact i started a branch with some UTF-8 code, but noone did anything with it, so it's still unfinished
15:44 <jnmbk> ok, then I'll write in utf-8 and convert non-standart chars
15:44 <jnmbk> after it's done...
15:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, post both files then :)
15:45 <wrtlprnft> so once we support UTF-8 we can just switch files
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16:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you try to debug it? My guess would be a bug handling the unary minus
16:01 <luke-jr_> I haven't tested that
16:03 <wrtlprnft> i thought i'd leave debuging to you as you know the code :P
16:03 <wrtlprnft> and gdb won't show anything as arma exits regulary to it
16:04 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, the exit doesn't happen at parsing time
16:04 <luke-jr_> sounds more like an uncaught non-exception, then =p
16:04 <wrtlprnft> it happens the first time the computed value is requested
16:05 <luke-jr_> eg, a null pointer or such
16:05 <luke-jr_> we need a way to dump a tValue tree to stderr
16:05 <luke-jr_> to examine it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> sure, add the needed functions :P
16:06 <wrtlprnft> you'd just need to define a virtual extraction operator to tValue
16:06 <wrtlprnft> no, a virtual extraction function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> and a non-virtual extraction operator that calls that function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> look at tCoord to see how it's done
16:07 <luke-jr_> I don't want to add it to every class :p
16:07 <luke-jr_> tho I guess only base classes would need it
16:07 <wrtlprnft> you need to if you want it to output something useful
16:07 <wrtlprnft> at least all classes that have child elements would need to
16:09 <luke-jr_> too bad there's no way to link with the debugger and tell it to dump the object's variables
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure there is one
16:12 <luke-jr_> what was the expression you had a problem with?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> -1*10
16:12 <wrtlprnft> but 1*10 does the same
16:13 <wrtlprnft> infact, 10 does too
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6069 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: unary minus needs a higher precedence
16:13 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<AtomicData field="source" source="player_acceleration" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<Value field="minimum" expr="10" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<AtomicData field="maximum" source="0" />
16:15 <luke-jr_> must be something with the XML or Set
16:15 <luke-jr_> 	vValue::Expr::Core::Base *test = vValue::Parser::parse(tString("10"));
16:15 <luke-jr_> 	std::cerr << "test: " << test->GetValue() << std::endl;
16:15 <luke-jr_> no problem with that
16:16 <luke-jr_> I don't like the syntax Value element is using anyway =p
16:17 <wrtlprnft> why even use a separate value element?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, ignore that crash
16:17 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be graphics related
16:17 <luke-jr_> IMO, it'd be nicer if XML syntax could be mixed with non-XML
16:17 <luke-jr_> 1 + 3 * <...>
16:17 <luke-jr_> eg
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it crashes without a cockpit file
16:18 <wrtlprnft> sorry to bother you
16:19 <luke-jr_> lol
16:19 <luke-jr_> so you mean move "field" attribute to a generic element and have XML-expressions optionally within that?
16:20 <luke-jr_> fine by me =p
16:20 <luke-jr_> not sure on how to mix the XML in with non-XML tho
16:20 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess you could just make it a mixed element
16:20 <wrtlprnft> so you write <Value>5+<somexml /></Value
16:20 <wrtlprnft> >
16:21 <luke-jr_> perhaps insert some non-printable placeholder in the bytestream in place of the XML expression
16:21 <luke-jr_> eg, (char)5
16:21 <luke-jr_> and have the parser translate that to "pop an already-made expression object off some stack"
16:22 <luke-jr_> I'm not sure I'd know how to insert the placeholder tho
16:22 <wrtlprnft> well
16:22 <wrtlprnft> we could run through the contents of the xml node of the <Value>
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's a "text" element, add it to some string to be parsed later
16:23 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's an xml element, parse it, add the resulting tValue to some std::queue and a placeholder to the string
16:23 <wrtlprnft> and then pass it to the parsing code
16:24 <luke-jr_> not a deque?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> do you need a double- ended queue?
16:24 <luke-jr_> well, you'd push the values on the back
16:24 <luke-jr_> and the parser'd pop em off the front
16:24 <luke-jr_> o.o
16:24 <luke-jr_> dunno
16:24 <luke-jr_> what's a queue do?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> exactly that
16:24 <luke-jr_> ok
16:24 <wrtlprnft> and just that
16:24 <luke-jr_> one possible problem
16:24 <luke-jr_> can't be sure of popping order :x
16:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:25 <luke-jr_> eg, parenthesis and precedence and such
16:25 <wrtlprnft> you might also make a std::map<int, BasePtr>
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and somehow number the placeholders
16:25 <luke-jr_> the parser uses Base* internally XD
16:25 <luke-jr_> yes, could easilly number them
16:26 <luke-jr_> (char 5) followed by a cast pointer perhaps
16:27 <wrtlprnft> whatever suits your needs
16:28 <wrtlprnft> then you could have the parser just accept a tXmlParser::node
16:28 <luke-jr_> ?
16:29 <luke-jr_> oh, maybe :x
16:29 <luke-jr_> would make testing it more difficult tho
16:29 <wrtlprnft> do whatever works
16:29 <luke-jr_> unless I did seperate subclasses for XML and tString
16:30 <luke-jr_> anyway, I GTG
16:30 <wrtlprnft> I don't know about tValue internals anymore anyways :P
16:30 <wrtlprnft> cya
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17:37 <wrtlprnft> woo!
17:37 <wrtlprnft> my 3D accel is fixed!
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17:50 <wrtlprnft> again from http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/
17:50 <wrtlprnft> > The off value means that the control's input data is either particularily sensitive (for example the activation code for a nuclear weapon)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> nice examples they have
17:51 <wrtlprnft> interesting read though.
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19:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6070 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: common testing ground
20:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what does that message mean?...
20:08 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that I committed the common testing ground
20:08 <luke-jr_> :)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i see it now
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, i fixed my graphics now, and arma doesn't crash anymore
20:10 <wrtlprnft> so, how exactly do I add functions available to my cockpit?
20:14 <luke-jr_> first, you make the subclass for it
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vCore.h for the base classes
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vRegistry.h to registry it
20:15 <luke-jr_> register*
20:16 <luke-jr_> in the class's .cpp file, put something like
20:16 <wrtlprnft> what about putting some sample code somewhere or document it on the wiki?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> ph wants to do the same, so you'll probably save time
20:17 <luke-jr_> tools/values/veLogic.cpp/h work fine as examples
20:17 <luke-jr_> the condition is registered as the iff function
20:18 <luke-jr_> Registration register_iff("func\nlogic", "iff", 3, (Registration::fptr)
20:18 <luke-jr_> 							( ctor::a3* )& Creator<Condition>::create<BasePtr,BasePtr,BasePtr> );
20:18 <luke-jr_> you'd change the logic flag to cockpit
20:18 <luke-jr_> 3 and a3 are # of arguments
20:18 <luke-jr_> as is the count of BasePtrs
20:19 <luke-jr_> 'Condition' is the class
20:19 <luke-jr_> iff is the function name
20:19 <wrtlprnft> let me fix the DTDs first...
20:20 <luke-jr_> you'll need to prefix everything with vValue too, unless you put using namespace vValue
20:20 <luke-jr_> and using namespace vValue::Registry
20:20 <wrtlprnft> where is the rule that puts cockpit-0.3.0.dtd into included/AATeam?
20:20 <luke-jr_> no clue
20:20 <wrtlprnft> because i only see one dtd, and that's cockpit.dtd
20:20 <wrtlprnft> and greping for cockpit-0.0.3.dtd doesn't turn up anything useful
20:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: umm, looks like DTDs DO have a way to specify their path
20:24 <wrtlprnft> <!-- version="0.3.0" -->
20:24 <luke-jr_> that's not standardized
20:24 <luke-jr_> it just assists the build tool
20:24 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is read by sortresources.py
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20:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6071 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.0.dtd cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd): Fixed versions: cockpit-0.3.0.dtd is reverted to the state it was in when 0.3.0 was released, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd contains the changes made since then.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:35 <wrtlprnft> why is cockpit.dtd still there?! I used svn move!
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6072 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/cockpit.dtd: This file was supposed to be moved, looks like it's still there for some reason... DIE!
20:37 <luke-jr_> you know, cockpit.dtd is supposed to exist
20:37 <luke-jr_> unversioned resources are used in Svn
20:37 <luke-jr_> cuz as soon as you assign a version, it can't have any more changes
20:38 <luke-jr_> unless you bump the version too
20:38 <wrtlprnft> then you make it cockpit-0.3.1-b.dtd?!
20:38 <luke-jr_> then you have way too many versions?
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and what do i do with that version= comment?
20:39 <luke-jr_> dunno
20:39 <luke-jr_> ask the guys who wrote sortresources
20:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6073 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd cockpit.dtd): Ok, half- reverted the change: cockpit.dtd exists again, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd is dead.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> now we have cockpit.dtd and cockpit-0.3.0.dtd
20:43 <wrtlprnft> using namespace vValue;
20:43 <wrtlprnft> oops
20:45 <wrtlprnft> wait, there's no way to just "link to" a simple function?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> ie as callback, not as tValue child
20:46 <luke-jr_> sure
20:46 <luke-jr_> use the C bindings
20:46 <luke-jr_> see veMath
20:47 <luke-jr_> it does it with sin
20:47 <wrtlprnft> too many files :X
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21:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: figure everything out good?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Well, I'm still pondering
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or hesitant to change all the callbacks
21:50 <wrtlprnft> they can't be class members anymore, right?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> like the old tValue::Callback
21:51 <luke-jr_> I don't know how that worked
21:52 <wrtlprnft> well
21:52 <wrtlprnft> Callback keeps a pointer to the instance of the class and the function pointer
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and then calls the function for the class
21:53 <wrtlprnft> TheClassPointer->(*TheFunctionPointer)();
21:53 <luke-jr_> oh, like I said-- the C binding
21:54 <luke-jr_> Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<float, FunctionPtr>
21:54 <luke-jr_> presuming the return type is float
21:55 <wrtlprnft> but tValue::Callback stores a pointer to an instance of the class
21:56 <luke-jr_> why?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> because the function needs to be called for that instance
21:57 <wrtlprnft> as it uses private members
21:57 <wrtlprnft> private non-static members, that is
21:57 <luke-jr_> so...?
21:57 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6074 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): Made some member functions that should be const.
21:57 <luke-jr_> use &instance.function instead of &class::function
21:58 <luke-jr_> or doesn't that work?
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6075 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
21:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:58 <luke-jr_> hm
21:58 <wrtlprnft> function pointers don't store the instance
21:58 <wrtlprnft> you need the pointer and the instance
21:58 <luke-jr_> o
21:58 <luke-jr_> well, it shouldn't be too hard to implement
21:59 <luke-jr_> perhaps called CppFunction =p
21:59 <wrtlprnft> needless to say the class instance doesn't exist at global construction time
21:59 <luke-jr_> that would probably be a problem
21:59 <wrtlprnft> get a . operator :)
22:00  * luke-jr_ ponders
22:00 <wrtlprnft> then you could say closestPlayer().speed()
22:00 <luke-jr_> yes
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6076 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6064 to 6075:
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6075 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:58:04 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <luke-jr_> I think that really needs DCT
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6074 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:57:23 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCZ
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCT
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> gah
22:00 <luke-jr_> Dynamic Config Tree
22:01 <wrtlprnft> heh, that thing z-man just committed was a fix for the problem I put onto the forums!
22:01 <luke-jr_> more or less, exporting objects and their variables such that it can be used as a config
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <wrtlprnft> well, good luck i guess
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i guess z-man is about to commit another fix quite soon, according to his post
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #wtf wtf
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
22:08 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it works
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Google and Unix plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (unix spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell dpreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell depreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think i killed it
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> u got pwnd!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i guess i pwnd myself
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft got pwnd by wrtlprnft
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb armabot 
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:11 <wrtlprnft> armabot got pwnd by me
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #wb armabot 
22:11 <wrtlprnft> #hello armabot 
22:11 <armabot> Hello wrtlprnft :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #183: || filesystem not big enough for Jumbo Kernel Patch
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #hello
22:11 <armabot> Hello [Xpert]DarkStar :) Random Fortune: /* These are the most dangerous and useful defines. They do printk() during || * the interrupt processing routine(s), so if you manage to get "flooded" by || * irq's, start thinking about the "Power off/on" button... || */ || linux-2.2.16/drivers/sbus/char/aurora.h
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /sbus/
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so only old sparc machines affected ><
22:12 <wrtlprnft> version 2.2 :P
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> didn't even look at that
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh yeah
22:13 <wrtlprnft> those fortunes are all kinda old :S
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (something completely different)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #help fortune
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (fortune takes no arguments) -- Returns a fortune from the *nix fortune program.
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guess who was on a concert with his girlfriend on friday evening
22:13 <wrtlprnft> you can't even pass params to it? lame!
22:15 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwn
22:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
22:16  * luke-jr_ pwn'd it
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> seems like it dun like spell :P
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22:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [f]
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell hi
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #ping
22:17 <armabot> pong
22:17 <wrtlprnft> haha :P
22:20 <wrtlprnft> > Authors must not do this. User agent implementors may curse authors who violate these rules, and may persecute them to the full extent allowed by applicable international law.
22:20 <wrtlprnft> i'd love to persecute someone for writing invalid HTML/WebForms20
22:21 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#handling
22:21 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwnu
22:21 <luke-jr_> #ping
22:21 <armabot> pong
22:21 <luke-jr_> #echo [ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping]
22:21 <Compn1> lol
22:21 <armabot> pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong
22:21 <Compn1> someone asked what the difference between owned and pwned was
22:21 <Compn1> that was funny
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22:46 <GodTodd> ok...i feel stupid now....how do i burn an iso into a bootable cd?
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <luke-jr_> the same way you normally burn an iso
22:47 <spidey> lmao
22:48 <GodTodd> well...that's helpful
22:49 <spidey> ?
22:49 <GodTodd> nvm i'll figure it out
22:49 <luke-jr_> well, you didn't give enough details for anything more specific
22:49 <spidey> windows or linux?
22:49 <luke-jr_> like what OS you're using, for a start
22:49 <luke-jr_> and what program you burn CDs with
22:50 <spidey> http://members.home.nl/lsnoek/iso.htm
22:50 <GodTodd> you could just say that instead of being smartassed about it
22:50 <spidey> what?? huh??
22:50 <spidey> that's luke-jr_ what you expect :p
22:51 <luke-jr_> well, I gave you a general answer
22:51 <luke-jr_> which would have been fine if your question was specifically about bootable ISOs
23:00 <wrtlprnft> "The method for burning ISO images is defined by the operating environment of the user, any user wishing to burn an ISO is expected to contact the maintainer of the operating environment in use for details"
23:03  * wrtlprnft loves reading specifications
23:03 <wrtlprnft> exept for a few funny passages they're as tasty as eating flour.
23:11 <luke-jr_> Gentoo's freeciv ebuild sucks
23:11 <luke-jr_> it's like the old arma one
23:12 <wrtlprnft> the new baselayout is nice :)
23:12 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
23:12 <luke-jr_> pong
23:12 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: which one?
23:12 <spidey> pm
23:12 <wrtlprnft> DHCP is finally backgrounded
23:13 <wrtlprnft> well, the one that was just unmasked
23:13 <luke-jr_> lol
23:13 <luke-jr_> my network config just doesn't even try if there's no cable plugged into the port ;)
23:13 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   ... done!
23:13 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.4-r2  USE="-bootstrap -build -static -unicode" 0 kB 
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
23:13 <wrtlprnft> that was the result of /exec -o emerge -pv baselayout
23:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it's just that DHCP takes quite a while here even if it succeeds
23:14 <GodTodd> thank you spidey, that link worked great :)
23:15  * wrtlprnft is tempted to say /exec -o emerge -epv world
23:22  * Lucifer_arma is running the first backup in his new backup plan
23:24 <wrtlprnft> didn't you do that last night?
23:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: how do you play freeciv?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> start a server, then start a client and connect to that server?
23:25 <luke-jr_> then do what
23:27 <wrtlprnft> #google howto play freeciv
23:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.56 seconds: Freeciv for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 ( January 23, 2003 ): <http://old.freeciv.org/windows/>; FreeCiv Tools & Toys: <http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/bdbryant/freeciv/>; Gaming Central [Archive] - Page 3 - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-93-p-3.html>; freeciv July 2000: <http://lists.complete.org/freeciv@freeciv.org/2000/07/index.html.gz>; OE Forums (2 more messages)
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im almost convinced that there are two tna's
23:29 <wrtlprnft> track their IPs?
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23:29 <DrJoeTron> its on aim
23:29 <DrJoeTron> :/
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23:47 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nah, what I did last night was use unison to synchronize a couple of directories on my laptop to my server
23:48 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:48  * Lucifer_arma is questioning the usefulness of backing up all of /var now
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> and they're right, unison is very fast after the first sync, and you're safe to put it in a cronjob after that
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <spidey> my uncle wants me to drive his car back
23:50 <DrJoeTron> WOW
23:50 <DrJoeTron> DRIVING A CAR!?
23:50 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:50 <DrJoeTron> :p
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> what's a car?
23:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:50 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:51 <DrJoeTron> now i cant help but think HYDROOOO THUNDER!!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> TIME EXTENDED!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> rdiff-backup is also very fast after the first run, the damn first runs are killing me, though
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:53 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:54 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i don't have a license
23:54 <DrJoeTron> go get one
23:54 <spidey> so if i get busted there goes my chance of getting one till i'm about 21 :p
23:54 <Your_mom_arma> you could pull the car there
23:54 <DrJoeTron> hope ya dont drive like a shmuck "D
23:54 <spidey> if it was around here sure
23:55 <spidey> maybe even from town
23:55 <spidey> but the car is 40 miles away
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:55 <spidey> -_-
23:55 <spidey> no we're taking me grandmas car to get his
23:55 <spidey> but noone to drive his home
23:55 <spidey> so he wants me to
23:56 <spidey> fuck it,if i get caught i'm blaming mom :p
23:56 <spidey> bbl
23:56 <Your_mom_arma> i still think you could pull it home, its just a question of time
23:56 <spidey> no
23:57 <spidey> we don't have a towbar
23:57 <spidey> and using chains is illegal
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> no i mean oul it by yourself, no mechanical help
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> pull*
23:57 <spidey> you mean push?
23:57 <spidey> as in walk behind it
23:58 <spidey> cause you're crazy if you do :p
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> well then you'ld need someone to steer
23:58 <spidey> haha
23:58 <spidey> you mean
23:58 <spidey> 1 car pull it?
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
23:58 <spidey> or use a trailor
23:58 <spidey> well we don't have a towbar
23:58 <spidey> so we can't
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> i mean pull the car 40 miles with your hands
23:59 <spidey> oh hell no
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:59 <spidey> i'll give you $5 to do it ;x
23:59 <spidey> anyways bbl

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00:00 <DrJoeTron> pull it
00:00 <DrJoeTron> with teeth
00:00 <DrJoeTron> be aMAN
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> that one guy pulled a 747
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hard if you're in good shape
00:07 <DrJoeTron> how much longer you think we are going to keep bar codes?
00:07 <Your_mom_arma> 37 more years(mainstream)?
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> why?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's closer to 24 years, 6 months, 12 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 15 seconds
00:10 <Your_mom_arma> i suppose it dependsLarge factories might get rid of it sooner then smaller factories
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00:10 <Your_mom_arma> probobly by several years
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> I dunno.  Seems like large factories would keep them longer than smaller factories
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's not exactly easy to switch to something else.  bar codes are on everything.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got backups in place now, and the thing clears out backups older than a week.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> so as long as my backup partition is big enough to hold a week of backups, then I'm fine until I build my backup server.  :)
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> large factories could afford newer technology like rfid tags, only need 1 for a crate of 500 products
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but factories use bar codes internally as well, to track the progress of each item
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> shipping yards?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> so you take a hunk of metal and slap a barcode on it, then you can track it all the way until it becomes a disk brake caliper
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, manufacturers
00:13  * Lucifer_arma used to have a client that sold bar code technology, had to learn a lot more about it than I cared to know
00:14 <Your_mom_arma> im not exactly sure what we would replace them with.
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> so to move away from bar codes, they'll have to spend a lot more money than a smaller factory because they have all sorts of gear internally to replace
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> are we talking magnetic strips a dot code system etc?
00:15 <DrJoeTron> probably microchip of some sort
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not afraid of rfid tags.  The danger in them isn't inherent to the technology, it's inherent in our "free" society
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> "If you've got nothing to hide, then why do you need privacy?"
00:16 <DrJoeTron> because i do infact have something to hide :p
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> then you're a criminal and need to be found out by the law!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> you cant stop me!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> ive ripped all of the bar codes off!@
00:17 <DrJoeTron> my scannerz toys wont work anymore
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> quick make an aluminum foil hat
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> wouldnt that make it easier to controll someone anyways
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> it would act like an antenna
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> what we need is a copper grid
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, it reflects microwaves, that's why you don't put foil in the microwave oven
00:18 <DrJoeTron> but putting in cd's
00:18 <DrJoeTron> fun stuff
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> so if they wanted to cook your brain, you're safe, the microwaves just bounce right off
00:18 <DrJoeTron> especially when it isnt your microwve
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> it would be easier to just put the mind control stuff in the water supply
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> nah, then you're in trouble if somebody figures it out
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's easier to just do what they do
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> convince parents to get their kids evaluated by a shrink, then put them on mind-control drugs
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> do it with the will of their parents and raise them to know nothing else, and you're safe
00:21 <DrJoeTron> water pumps arent guarded  very well
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiki's going down again, sorry
00:22 <DrJoeTron> well i some how deleted the My computer icon
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to reboot to get a partition remounted that can't be remounted on a running system
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> how'd you manage that joe?
00:24 <Compn1> DrJoeTron : tweakui can remove/add that icon back i think
00:24 <Compn1> or its generated when windows starts
00:24 <DrJoeTron> was deleting pictures off my camera
00:24 <Compn1> either way
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i hit delete
00:25 <DrJoeTron> nah its cool,
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i just put a shortcut in
00:25 <DrJoeTron> still made me go "god damn it"
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list alias
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
00:27 <DrJoeTron> #list
00:27 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> #message guru3 offensive spam http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83041#83041
00:27 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <DrJoeTron> Well i have been searching for mutant dicks
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #CyborgName DrJoeTron
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #help CyborgName
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no command "cyborgname".
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:32  * Your_mom_arma shrugs shoulders
00:32 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:56 <Vanhayes> #help freshmeat
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
00:56 <Vanhayes> #list babelfish
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize, language list, language random, and translate
00:56 <Vanhayes> #language list
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
00:57 <Vanhayes> #translate hello to chinese_simple
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
00:58 <Vanhayes> #translate english to chinese_simple hello
00:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: '\x00\x00'
00:58 <Vanhayes> heh
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02:24 <Lucifer_arma> These two questions are inherently related and apparently not answered here. This is likely due to the fact that it's asked so much that we're busy answering it for someone else right this minute.
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> ?
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> just browsing the faq is all.  wanted to see if somebody had actually answered that question, and apparently nobody did.  Or rather, it got a partial answer at some point.
02:28 <luke-jr_> freeciv is too hard :|
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09:04 <GodTodd> can you change nicks?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, at least, not after logging in I don't
09:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: something ending in 5 =p
09:04 <spidey> o.o
09:05 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:05 <GodTodd> 5565 i think it was
09:05 <spidey> ok so tell me how i load the master server list :p
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> press Master Metaserver
09:05 <GodTodd> yep
09:05 <spidey> i don't have that
09:05 <spidey> i see
09:05 <spidey> metaserver
09:05 <spidey> then a "update" button,but it doesn't list servers
09:07 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:07 <luke-jr_> just connect
09:07  * luke-jr_ tired of waiting -.-
09:07 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:07 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:07 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> why does spidey always have to be the one that can't find shit?
09:07 <luke-jr_> cuz he's the windozeluser -.-
09:07 <GodTodd> heh
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd's a windows user too
09:07 <GodTodd> ummm im on win...and im in
09:07 <GodTodd> :P
09:07 <spidey> GodTodd uses windows to
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> that just means "no excuses for you"
09:08 <spidey> it won't let me connect -_-
09:08 <spidey> i get this
09:08 <spidey> Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:08 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:08 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:08 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it?
09:08 <luke-jr_> oh well
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hang on a sec
09:08 <spidey> i downloaded it off the site -_-
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I looked at the window again and don't see it.  Maybe you have a firewall problem?
09:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: 2.1 is too new
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> 2.08 and 2.10b2 clients aren't compatible
09:10 <spidey> see
09:10 <spidey> i get that to
09:10 <spidey> :p
09:10 <spidey> [02:09] ( spidey ) Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:10 <luke-jr_> lol
09:10 <luke-jr_> downgrade
09:10 <luke-jr_> you need 2.0.8
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> ah tell him to get 2.08
09:10 <spidey> -_-
09:11 <luke-jr_> spidey: hurry up
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> who hasn't pressed start?
09:13 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd 
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09:38 <wrtlprnft> something's borked with this computer since the last restart :(
09:38 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:38 <armabot> pong
09:38 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'm still connected
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:45 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human || intelligence long enough to get money from it.
09:46 <wrtlprnft> huh?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> armabot is there, but i can't reach my server
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sshd down?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> something...
09:47 <wrtlprnft> httpd down too, it seems
09:47 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:47 <armabot> pong
09:47 <wrtlprnft> no, httpd is there
09:47 <wrtlprnft> just slow
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow.... i'm on a channel where there was no talking for >20 hours
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> until i said "morning"
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and now it seems like i'm the only one alive in there ><
09:50 <wrtlprnft> wake everyone?
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like my server and everything is running
09:51 <wrtlprnft> I just can't access it from inside my network
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:51 <wrtlprnft> that explains why armabot works
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if i couldn't access my server from the network i couldn't reach the inet either ><
09:52 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a router that does NAT, and i don't use a proxy or anything
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have my server that is the router that does nat
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had a dlink router b4
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it sucks
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i decided to use the server as a router
10:00 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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10:01 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #ping
10:02 <armabot> pong
10:02 <wrtlprnft> ...
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10:55 <wrtlprnft> argh
10:55 <wrtlprnft> that's why i couldn't reach anything on my local network
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a wlan and a normal port
10:56 <wrtlprnft> and i had the normal port started, but no cable in it
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     2000   0        0 eth1
10:56 <wrtlprnft> loopback        *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
10:56 <wrtlprnft> default         router          0.0.0.0         UG    2000   0        0 eth1
10:57 <wrtlprnft> the first one was the one used for internal addresses, but it was using eth0, which had no cable connected to it
11:06 <spidey> -_-
11:07 <spidey> i no longer like that game :(
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11:17 <wrtlprnft> hi there eddiefantastic 
11:33 <eddiefantastic> hello
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, I think my sprinkler's been running all night
12:04 <spidey> #night
12:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:34 <wrtlprnft> #ping
13:35 <armabot> pong
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> installing win xp in vmware
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
16:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: 
16:28 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig wingmen
16:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. (default: 2.2029) || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team. (default: 2.75362)
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17:51  * DrJoeTron is tired from sleeping badly
17:51 <wrtlprnft> sleep more?
17:51 <DrJoeTron> nah wont work
17:51 <DrJoeTron> everyone else is up
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18:53 <ghableska> hello
18:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
19:14 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
19:15 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
19:15  * luke-jr_ was up too late playing FreeCiv w/ spidey, Lucifer_arma and GodTodd 
19:16 <ghableska> :P
19:16 <ghableska> how late?
19:16 <luke-jr_> 4 am
19:16 <ghableska> O_o
19:16 <luke-jr_> lol
19:17 <luke-jr_> FreeCiv games take at least as long as Monopoly
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is early for me...
19:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if you haven't slept yet?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is the time you stand up early :P
19:19 <luke-jr_> me = Japanese
19:19 <luke-jr_> GodTodd = Americans
19:19 <luke-jr_> spidey = Russians
19:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma = I forget
19:20 <wrtlprnft> must be a big map...
19:20 <luke-jr_> not too big
19:20 <luke-jr_> too much water
19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I was the VIkings
19:21 <luke-jr_> just cuz the sea was so wide
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> until I cut out and went to bed :)
19:21 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
19:21 <luke-jr_> I got tired too
19:21 <luke-jr_> and turned on everyone
19:21 <luke-jr_> and then I started winning -.-
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had a pretty good civilization building until I decided to help my friends, form alliances, and tax the shit out of my people
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the tax rate cut my scientific development, but when the aussies arrived we were pretty close in development
19:23 <wrtlprnft> so what have vikings to do with WWII now?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> it was FreeCiv, not a wwii game
19:24 <wrtlprnft> 19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> one of the guys playing was German, and the game picked Hitler for his name (and he didn't change it, only a couple of us changed our names)
19:24 <luke-jr_> 1. Hitler signed a peace treaty with me
19:24 <luke-jr_> 2. Hitler attacked spidey
19:24 <luke-jr_> 3. Hitler decided our treaty was mere paper
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> but spidey wasn't the Poles :)
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> the guy playing hitler left for awhile, then came back
19:25 <luke-jr_> so it was spidey and I vs Hitler
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler got psycho after he left
19:25 <luke-jr_> Luci came to help out
19:25 <luke-jr_> then Hitler wiped out spidey
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I would've attacked Germany straight on if I wasn't in that corner.  :)  But I subverted Tokyo anyway after he took it from you.
19:25 <luke-jr_> and then he got Tokyo
19:26 <luke-jr_> and my people rebelled and started a new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> spidey took over the new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> then I got tired and the fun began
19:26 <luke-jr_> I cancelled all my treaties
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> literally a couple of turns before my invasion force landed.  I was going to give you one old city for every two that I took, figuring I could keep half as payment for helping :)
19:27 <luke-jr_> spidey requested a new peace treaty, and I made him giving me a city a condition
19:27 <luke-jr_> then after I had the city, I cancelled that too
19:27 <luke-jr_> heh
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  That's probably when spidey hit me up for a treaty, and all I would give him was "peace"
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> I rejected his alliance proposal, he spent most of the game talking about "when I attack Luci"
19:27 <luke-jr_> lol
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> after Germany took Tokyo from me, I went and demanded a bunch of shit from them
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> I had a decent-sized invasion force about to land.  :)  He didn't back down, though
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I landed my invasion
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> they were wiped within seconds.  :(
19:28 <luke-jr_> lol
19:29 <luke-jr_> shoulda took the crap and wiped em out anyway
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> ?  no, my invasion force was wiped out
19:29 <luke-jr_> o
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he had musketeers and my invasion force was built on catapults.  I had science to obsolete it by the time it attacked, but I was still a republic, that shit was expensive!
19:30 <luke-jr_> as my troops gained on spidey's last city, he popped up a peace treaty request ;)
19:30 <Lucifer_arma> here I was, working on steam and still attacking with catapults.  I focused on mostly peaceful technology because the route to a space ship is mostly peaceful.
19:31 <luke-jr_> I focuses on nukes
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it was my first time playing in like 2 years, everything was different the game has progressed so much
19:31 <luke-jr_> heh
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> there wasn't "auto settler" and "auto explorer" the last time I played
19:31 <luke-jr_> autoexplore is NICE
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> I spent more time wrestling with the UI on my turns than actually planning
19:31 <luke-jr_> I just send my explorers off exploring ;)
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's all nice.  Get it to a point, then go smoke a cigarette
19:31 <luke-jr_> lol
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I did too, and I focused on shipbuilding at first so I could keep exploring
19:32 <luke-jr_> me too
19:32 <luke-jr_> after I remembered to set a goal
19:32 <luke-jr_> what idiot defaults it to Mysticism?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had fun, though.  It was a lot of fun.  They've really got the game in pretty good shape now.
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, you need temples pretty early
19:32 <luke-jr_> yeah
19:32 <luke-jr_> oh?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had cities going into revolt because I didn't have temples
19:32 <luke-jr_> I never have any temples
19:33 <luke-jr_> I just use the "very happy" manage option
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> small cities?  Mine were growing pretty quickly.
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, but that's not the most productive one, is it?  Wastes workers, being entertainers and crap.
19:33 <luke-jr_> I never even though of religion as making cities nicer
19:33 <luke-jr_> until you mentioned it
19:33 <luke-jr_> then my goal went to Monotheism =p
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm also basically a civ1 player, too, not a civ2 player.
19:34 <luke-jr_> I've never played either
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I played civ1 back on the Amiga.  :)
19:34 <luke-jr_> sounds old ;p
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> it is.
19:34 <luke-jr_> was it on FD0: or PC0: ? =p
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> um, amiga put the d first and used lowercase.  df0: df1: dh0: etc
19:35 <luke-jr_> oh, right DF0
19:35 <luke-jr_> but PC0 was PC0, IIRC
19:35 <luke-jr_> for floppies with FAT
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> could be, I don't recognize it.
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, didn't use fat on floppies, used amiga's FFS
19:36 <luke-jr_> ah
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, I try to avoid going to war until I have tanks
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> then I go to war and try to build nukes as quickly as possible
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> only time I ever found a different plan useful was against a really shitty ai
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> in which case I conquered half the map with catapults, and the other half with tanks
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah shit, I wanted to see what scenarios they had and wound up getting sucked in
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> pulled myself out, though!  Gotta mow the lawn :)
19:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone still got an amiga?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I've got an amiga emulator...
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to have a real amiga
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, *had*, but I've got the roms for the kickstart still so I can download it and run it
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, you didn't ask "anyone used to have an amiga"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'd answer *that* with "I had an Amiga 500 with a 20MB hard drive yadayada"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a 500 with hd?
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> external i guess
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it plugged into the bus on the left.  It was a pain
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it was great, but it made placing the thing on the desk a pain :)
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my 1st amiga was a 2k
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "my"
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha.  We went for the budget model.  Well, that and my dad was somewhat married to the "all in one case" idea and didn't care for cards and slots and stuff
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> later i got a 4k
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and to play old games a 500
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I quit computing after that A500 for something like 7, 8 years
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that 500 died pretty soon
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sadly
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want to be a geek anymore, doncha know.  The A600 and friends hadn't come out yet, the 3000 had barely come out
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the 4k did eventually aswell
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna get a 4000T
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the President and the top accountant took what they could and fled the country, leaving a bankrupted shell behind them
19:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy moving on.  It was a nice computer, but it's pretty much obsolete now, and I managed to lose my interest in obsolete computers :)
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 5 of 6 computers i have are more or less obsoleted
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the sparc station is totally..
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still having a 32 bit sparc cpu
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I am still very interested in the games for those old computers, but that's what emulators are for
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1
19:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would you consider the sun ultra 10 obsoleted?
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, but I gotta go.  bbiab
19:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 29/33
20:47 <armabot> 29 / 33 = 0.878787879
21:29 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-003-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
21:29 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
21:29 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
21:32 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
21:32 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:32 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:33 <ghableska> ?
21:33 <guru3> it's on the forums ><
21:34 <ghableska> okay
21:34 <TiTnAsS> sup tank
21:34 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: register your nick with nickserv to be sure :P
21:34 <TiTnAsS> wtf nickserv?
21:35 <TiTnAsS> not interested
21:35 <TiTnAsS> tank, any good servers goin now days?
21:35 <joda_bot> hi wrtlprnft
21:35 <wrtlprnft> hi joda_bot 
21:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Anything important I should read ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> you alive again?
21:36 <joda_bot> Been a bit out of touch
21:36 <wrtlprnft> umm, well, ph needs your team stuff :P
21:36 <joda_bot> Nah, not really alive, but able to spend sometime on coding / planning
21:36 <wrtlprnft> #seen ph*
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ph* could be philippeqc (2 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), phil (2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), philippeqc_ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 42 seconds ago), philippeqc__ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), or ph (17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 22 seconds ago)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't really know about the team stuff, just that it's needed for ph's zone stuff to be useful
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ie not force players to rename themselves to blue1, blue2, yellow1 etc
21:39 <joda_bot> Yeah, phillippe said he made a simple implementation to test it
21:39 <joda_bot> I'll have a look at it, and use the wiki to do some planning
21:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:39 <joda_bot> I might not be in IRC often, but I'll read my email and go online while working on it
21:41 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:41 <TiTnAsS> joda
21:41 <TiTnAsS> are you just "joda" from ingame?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> arma developing is kinda sleepy now
21:41 <wrtlprnft> joda.bot he is
21:41 <TiTnAsS> oh
21:41 <TiTnAsS> nvm then
21:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe he used to be just joda some time ago, before i was here :P
21:43 <Vanhayes> TiTnAsS: so were you ever in a clan called LOL?
21:43 <Vanhayes> or was that the imposter?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it's a team x_X
21:43 <TiTnAsS> no
21:43 <TiTnAsS> i wasnt in "LOL"
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: yes
21:43 <TiTnAsS> that is the poser
21:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: I've not been yoda though
21:44 <Vanhayes> hmm have we ever talked before this?
21:44 <TiTnAsS> nope
21:44 <Vanhayes> wow
21:44 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-219-71.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
21:44 <ghableska> O_o
21:44 <TiTnAsS> hey your mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:44 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:44 <Your_mom_arma> hi
21:44 <Vanhayes> he has been impostering you for a couple months now then
21:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:44 <TiTnAsS> so ive heard
21:44 <TiTnAsS> thats why im here now
21:44 <joda_bot> hi Your_mom_arma
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I needed to talk to you, but now I don't remember why
21:44 <TiTnAsS> and theres proof of authenticicity at the forums
21:44 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:44 <TiTnAsS> your_mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> wanna go play?
21:45  * Lucifer_arma thinks it says Really Good Things that the only thing TiTnAsS's poser friends have left to them is to impersonate people
21:45 <TiTnAsS> and what exactly is with the "_arma"?
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they can't rip-grind the server, can they?
21:45 <Your_mom_arma> which server?
21:45 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: probably because I'm late with working on arma ;)
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i can ^^
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i remember that bug
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: heh.  I honestly don't remember what it was anymore, just that we were talking about something and you would have been Really Helpful to have around at tht time :)
21:46 <TiTnAsS> its nice and fixed correct?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: the _arma is because just Your_mom is already taken IIRC
21:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> same with Lucifer_arma.  Lucifer was already taken.  I had to do it in FreeCiv last night, too, because (you guessed it) Lucifer was already taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> ic
21:46 <TiTnAsS> im suprised TiTnAsS
21:46 <TiTnAsS> wasnt taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> >.<
21:46  * joda_bot wonders what could require himself
21:46 <wrtlprnft> get unique nicks, guys!
21:47 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I chose "arma" was because the name is only mine here, and it's the only place I'm willing to lay claim to it
21:47 <Vanhayes> wow that log looks alot better now wrtlprnft 
21:47 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: :)
21:47 <TiTnAsS> sigh..
21:47 <ghableska> organized :D
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> well now, who else would call themselves Lucifer_arma ?
21:47 <TiTnAsS> werent you guys gonna make
21:47 <TiTnAsS> login names
21:47 <TiTnAsS> a while back?
21:47  * Lucifer_arma is considering changing his regular ingame name to match his irc name
21:47 <TiTnAsS> posers are a pathetic thing - -;
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, luke-jr_ blocked it
21:48  * Lucifer_arma notes which crowd TiTnAsS used to belong to around here
21:48 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: luke-jr_ joined the discussion, so don't expect anyting to come out of it, ever
21:48 <TiTnAsS> sigh
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> how many of them are in jail now, anyway?
21:48 <TiTnAsS> yeah.. i remember luke
21:48 <TiTnAsS> he ALWAYS gave me
21:48 <TiTnAsS> shit
21:48 <TiTnAsS> about EVERY little thing
21:48 <TiTnAsS> just cuz im a bit slow -.-
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's really awesome that the porn spammers are spamming the World Servers forum :)
21:48 <joda_bot> perhaps we should code a hidden "DEV" flag into all clients  ? ;)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:49 <TiTnAsS> no clue what that means
21:49 <TiTnAsS> but, i vote you restart the login post thing
21:49 <TiTnAsS> and ban luke frmo posting
21:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe make a forum everyone can see but luke-jr_?
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I say we *force* TiTnAsS to *restart the login post thing*
21:49 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:49 <TiTnAsS> okay
21:49 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ill find and bump
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> this should be fun :)
21:49 <TiTnAsS> bump with the saying
21:49 <TiTnAsS> *IF LUKE POSTS
21:49 <wrtlprnft> banning luke-jr_ from posting won't help
21:50 <TiTnAsS> I WILL QUIT TRON FOREVER*
21:50 <wrtlprnft> he'll bitch in here
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or on the grid
21:50 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or with SVN commits
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't be useful anyway
21:50 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:50 <TiTnAsS> what should i search for
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> hell Tit, with a promise like that, I'd encourage luke-jr_ to go post in it :)
21:50 <TiTnAsS> LOL
21:50 <Your_mom_arma> i guess he's going to quit tron forever then
21:50 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:50  * Lucifer_arma celebrates
21:50 <TiTnAsS> whats the name the of post
21:50 <TiTnAsS> remember?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i can tell you the post luke-jr_'s gonna make
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> search for "authentication"
21:50 <wrtlprnft> From: Luke-Jr
21:50 <TiTnAsS> hey man, dont gimmi such a hard time, im JUST back ^^
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Text: ...
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:50 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> er
21:51 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> #google authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.27 seconds: Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=81331>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3403&sid=73475880358d09e8a69dd61ac0905608>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - XMPP Authentication: (3 more messages)
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, click one
21:51 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> the 2nd one is started by luke-jr_ 
21:51 <TiTnAsS> thats..weird
21:51 <wrtlprnft> so i'd ignore that
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #f
21:51 <armabot> Random Fortune: "Please don't hit me! I'm brittle!" || --Zoidberg
21:51 <joda_bot> Anything important Luke did ?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yeah, number of axes != 4
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and video output (which noone uses anyways)
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, he blocked all work on authentication in favor of a pretty complex non-existant system that is inarguably superior to what we were working on
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> with one minor problem, of course.
21:52 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83181#83181
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't exist
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> we should just rip the code out of FreeCiv
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the "making it exist" part is an implementation detail
21:53 <joda_bot> eh, is Luke part of the trium ...
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> a minor one, isn't it?
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: no :)
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no
21:53 <TiTnAsS> trium?
21:53 <joda_bot> so what's the issue ?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: he's gonna bitch without end?
21:53 <TiTnAsS> who cares
21:53 <TiTnAsS> just skip his posts
21:53 <TiTnAsS> dont even read em
21:53 <TiTnAsS> thats what i used to do
21:54 <wrtlprnft> and he's just doing something useful with tValue, if still way too weird
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, come right down to it, the only people that were working on it were me and Tank, and we both lost interest as a result of the longest, most tedious discussion on the subject ever
21:54 <TiTnAsS> unless they were flame directed tword me
21:54 <TiTnAsS> then id argue back of course
21:54 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:54 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: bump the thread on binary resources too
21:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing came out of that either
21:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: Perhaps the approach should be VERY simple
21:54 <TiTnAsS> just search for binary resources?
21:54 <TiTnAsS> o.O
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, "sound engine that I can just work on" vs "authentication I'm going to have to fight for".  Which would you pick to work on?
21:55 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5351&sid=519e6d1ebc9eae51fbd5c47cbcb15920
21:55 <TiTnAsS> right?
21:55 <joda_bot> and see how that works, with only server based authentification from a text "file" / database
21:55 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: no
21:55 <TiTnAsS> argh
21:55 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:55 <TiTnAsS> hodl on
21:55 <TiTnAsS> misread
21:55 <joda_bot> We could learn from that , and then approach something more sophricated
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I thought we should go ahead and finish out what's there for md5 stuff *knowing* it wouldn't be secure so we could start addressing the social issues and a lot of backend issues and let luke or whoever rewrite the actual authentication part
21:56 <joda_bot> while still allowing ppl to use a simple protection later ( if we want that )
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we can put a lot of Really Useful Stuff in place that we need anyway with authentication with shitty authentication, same way philippe did his team zone hack while waiting for joda to fill in the blanks
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm technically working on my back yard, bbiab
21:56 <joda_bot> If the concept is complicated players it will be difficult to convince players
21:56 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:56 <joda_bot> if it's easy as "login" / password they'll probably understand it
21:57 <joda_bot> just my 2 cent ;)
21:57 <[dlh]> no, they will need to fill in a 100 line xml file. :o
21:57 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3378&highlight=
21:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: just my saying
21:57 <wrtlprnft> who cares if it's perfectly safe
21:58 <joda_bot> well, it should be reasonably safe in the range of it's concept
21:58 <joda_bot> but it hasn't to be from start
21:58 <joda_bot> that's what development versions are for
21:59 <Your_mom_arma> only a 50 line 80 char per line manually typed password in a .txt for each server you want to play
21:59 <TiTnAsS> btw
21:59 <TiTnAsS> why am i bumping this one?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> because luke-jr_ ruined it too
21:59 <wrtlprnft> alternatively bump this one http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3023&highlight=browser+resource
22:00 <wrtlprnft> the first one was just my attempt on bumping it
22:00 <TiTnAsS> god damn
22:00 <TiTnAsS> the forum keeps
22:00 <TiTnAsS> freezing
22:00 <TiTnAsS> with the background only
22:00 <TiTnAsS> and its pissing me off
22:00 <[dlh]> I think IRC lets you type more than 4 words per line, too ;)
22:01 <TiTnAsS> i cant get to edit - -; it keeps freezing
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> I
22:01 <wrtlprnft> never
22:01 <wrtlprnft> knew 
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that
22:01 <[dlh]> yes,
22:01 <wrtlprnft> is
22:01 <[dlh]> really
22:01 <wrtlprnft> it
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really
22:01 <[dlh]> interesting
22:01 <wrtlprnft> true?
22:01 <ghableska> O_o
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <TiTnAsS> does anyone else have this forum freezing problem
22:02 <ghableska> nah
22:02 <TiTnAsS> or is it just me - -;
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> try deleating your cookies and clearing your cache
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> spelling*
22:03 <joda_bot> and stop using your 286 machine ;)
22:03 <joda_bot> perhaps firefox does help ?
22:03 <TiTnAsS> this be my new 4000$ dell
22:03 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:03 <TiTnAsS> and im running firefox
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> blame the liberal media
22:04 <TiTnAsS> and i delete my cookies and clear my cache every few days
22:04 <ghableska> 4000?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:04 <ghableska> wow
22:04 <TiTnAsS> ye
22:04 <TiTnAsS> its fast
22:04 <ghableska> xps?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> i got it as a gift
22:04 <TiTnAsS> yup
22:04 <TiTnAsS> gift for helping take care of a close dying friend
22:04 <ghableska> ah
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> sell it and go crazy at a penny candy store
22:04 <[dlh]> heh
22:04 <ghableska> haha
22:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:06 <TiTnAsS> i can dl porn at a whole new speed now!!
22:06 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:06 <wrtlprnft> ah, that's how you got to play arma?
22:07 <ghableska> :P
22:07 <TiTnAsS> o.O
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what to do on an alsa buffer underrun?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i couldnt get porn on my old comp
22:07 <TiTnAsS> it was to slow
22:07 <TiTnAsS> so now that i have porn
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i dont need tron
22:07 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: use a bigger buffer ;)
22:07 <TiTnAsS> ^^ lol
22:07 <wrtlprnft> so you got this stupid game instead?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> yup yup
22:07 <TiTnAsS> nah jk
22:07 <TiTnAsS> tron=fun
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i just havnt had time
22:07 <TiTnAsS> with studys
22:07 <TiTnAsS> and stuff
22:08 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: sound like you got your prioties right
22:08 <TiTnAsS> heh
22:08 <TiTnAsS> porn and school
22:08 <TiTnAsS> top of my list
22:08 <TiTnAsS> (jk about the porn thing of course - -;)
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, when you get right down to it, what are we protecting anyway?  Credit card information?  Tax returns submitted electronically?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> none of that, sadly.  Just player stats and name on some niche internet game.
22:11 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld be happy with just a password per server kind of deal, most of the code for that is already written iirc
22:12 <joda_bot> if anyone implements it, be sure to cover some social stuff (like prevent a IP to register more than one nick per day)
22:12 <joda_bot> even dayly might flood a server on the long run ;)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> one important thing: the server shouldn't get the IP, ever
22:13 <wrtlprnft> err
22:13 <wrtlprnft> the plain password
22:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the initial development implementation might do it that way, and you can improve it to your needs ;)
22:14 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871F43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
22:15 <wrtlprnft> #seen z-man
22:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: z-man was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 29 seconds ago: <z-man> Team UK is missign players!
22:15 <wrtlprnft> welcome back i guess
22:15 <z-man> Gee, can't one get a little privacy sometimes? :)
22:15 <Your_mom_arma> #seen z-man_
22:15 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: I have not seen z-man_.
22:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: BS, I didn't block any such thing
22:15 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:16 <luke-jr_> he's blaming me that XMPP isn't integrated yet
22:16 <Your_mom_arma> about authentication system
22:16 <wrtlprnft> you aren't blocking it, just bloating it with requirements until noone can satisfy them
22:16 <wrtlprnft> and usuability from the user side seems to be way down on the list :(
22:17 <luke-jr_> nah
22:17  * z-man remembers why he didn't pop in here
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, you did block it :)
22:17 <luke-jr_> did not
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> did so times infinity plus 1
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, I was literally working on what we had, and you said "this is stupid" and then volunteered to write a new, better system
22:18  * wrtlprnft is watching everyone scare z-man away again
22:18 <z-man> define block? I thought luke was pushing XMPP?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> so I stopped, no need for us to duplicate each other's work, right?
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> i thought that was what irc was for, scaring away z-man
22:19 <z-man> then it would be called saz.
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> well played sir
22:19 <luke-jr_> Since nobody else here seems to be doing much advancing, I have a to-do list of complex tasks
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:19  * Lucifer_arma doesn't think authentication ever made it onto luke's todo list
22:19 <luke-jr_> (not that bug fix style progress is irrelevant)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm progressing on my lunch
22:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, nothing is happening since everything advancing one can do is on luke-jr_'s todo list
22:20 <luke-jr_> right now, the todo list is to finish the parser, DTC, and then XMPP integration
22:20 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DTC
22:20 <luke-jr_> if someone else wants to take one, go ahead
22:20 <wrtlprnft> argh, i unloaded the unix plugin
22:20 <Your_mom_arma> whats phillip been adding to the new zone version, anyone know?
22:20 <luke-jr_> DCT*
22:20 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: IIRC, it's in the wiki
22:21 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Your_mom_arma put it onto the wiki
22:21 <Your_mom_arma> well i mean recently
22:21 <luke-jr_> heh
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, that's probably 6 months of coding time for him
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, he might finish sooner
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious to see if he finishes before I finish the sound engine.  :)  I suspect he'll win that race.
22:22 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: he can probably add more once I've advanced my work ;)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> no code is ever finished
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see groundpig help him with that but it seems the time zone difference prevents that
22:23 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: he added some stuff about moving zones using mathexpr
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> well at least instintaneous communications
22:23 <wrtlprnft> like, a zone moving in circles
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the main thing preventing it is that neither of them think their work is relevant to the other :/
22:23 <joda_bot> I don't know what groundpig is interested in or how he behaved on forums, but I don't mind to garant him SVN access
22:24 <joda_bot> but it's not my decision ;)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> you could bump that thread if you'd like :)
22:24 <joda_bot> I won't start bumping around ;)
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> #seen groundpig
22:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: groundpig was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <groundpig> thanks!
22:25  * wrtlprnft watches TiTnAsS quitting tron forever
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, luke's right in the resource thread, that is already settled.  Luke being a loud minority doesn't really change the consensus, unless you define consensus differently than I define it :)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well, nothing's done yet
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to burn that bridge with soundpacks, and a lot of work on the resource system is at the top of my to-do list because the whole rest of the sound engine currently depends on it
22:27 <luke-jr_> internet resource fetching already works fine, the only thing missing is resource archives and the only thing it needs is code, not talk
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and i don't feel like reading two long old threads to implement it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've been taking what's reputedly the hardest calc class in the shortest semester
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and, uh, that's why we moved the spec to the wiki.  What's on the wiki is what needs to be used during implementation
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: more or less, we need a program that you give a resource filepath, and it fetches that and all it depends on into a ZIP
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and then we need something to install the ZIPs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no external programs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no windows user will be able to use them if they are CLI
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or at least very few
22:28 <luke-jr_> so make it GUI
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> the naming is also pretty obvious.  The xml file reads "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml".  The zip file would be "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit"
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that's lotsa work
22:29 <luke-jr_> I don't expect many people want to make resource packs from the game itself
22:29 <luke-jr_> no it's not
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> we start with a CLI app and then write a gui program that wraps it, same way nemo did the Mac OS X recorder helper app
22:29  * luke-jr_ nods
22:30  * spidey yawns
22:30 <luke-jr_> XMPP and DCT are much larger projects
22:30 <wrtlprnft> not THAT guy again
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> i mean, I really *really* hate saying this, but luke's right.  Resource system is just waiting for someone to work on it, and my final is tomorrow.  THen I have to do some work-work for the rest of the week
22:30 <luke-jr_> res packs are nothing
22:31 <wrtlprnft> UTF-8 needs to be done too, but noone has shown any interest in my branch
22:31 <luke-jr_> doesn't your branch work? why not merge it?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't work.
22:31 <luke-jr_> O.o
22:32 <luke-jr_> it's just an encoding change, right?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> it can output UTF-8 as a font
22:32 <z-man> I didn't know there was a branch for utf-8.
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zmannnnn
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BB95B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:32 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: So distributable zipped, drop in directory resource packs (aka zips) which don't have to extracted are dropped ?
22:32  * luke-jr_ also notes wrtlprnft's branch is still in private
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but it still has to do network translation (for older servers/clients)
22:32 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the installer part extracts them
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and input translation
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: what do you mean?
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zman, you here?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: you'd need to wake him...
22:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that might be a problem for Windows/OS X
22:32 <z-man> err, I just said something, so I am there.
22:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: depending on implementation, anyway
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> the way I figure it, you can download a pack automatically, you can download a pack and unzip it by hand and copy it into your cache, etc.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a branch in my private dir
22:33 <z-man> I assumed that now, yes :)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how can you be there if you're here?
22:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: automatically?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> which basically changes the font system to expect utf-8
22:33 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: yeah, you know, the automatic download system we've got already?
22:34 <TiTnAsS>  /goes back to sleep
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and borks everything up as it doesn't receive utf-8
22:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: maybe move it out of private?
22:34 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I'm not that small red monster :)
22:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's not packaging, tho
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not
22:34 <luke-jr_> and that works
22:34 <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BADCB.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does
22:34 <luke-jr_> <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
22:35 <z-man> thanks :)
22:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ basically anwered my question, so there are no zipped resource files which are transparently mapped into the resource cache
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> but whether that's packaging or not and whether it works or not isn't relevant, that the system will be used to download zipped resources is pretty obvious :)
22:35 <TiTnAsS> " Nothing here left to discuss. Though someone could certainly work on resource archives."
22:35 <TiTnAsS> thats not what everyone else here thinks
22:35 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:35 <joda_bot> that perhaps can be done later, though to safe some disk space
22:35 <TiTnAsS> they told me to bump it up while i bumped the authentification one up
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: actually, he answered it with his interpretation.  Fact is, the person who implements it is going to make the call and we'll live with it.
22:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: zipped would only be manually distributed stuff
22:36 <luke-jr_> no need for it in the automatic setup
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: why?
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> says who?
22:36 <luke-jr_> ZIP doesn't work with it properly
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> give me a whole bunch of use cases
22:36 <luke-jr_> and standard HTTP compression uses gzip or bzip2
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ZIP doesn't *need* to work with the downloader
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> all the downloader does is ask for a file from a server, that's all it does
22:36 <TiTnAsS> and luke-jr, i never "ignored" you in the first place.. o.o
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's all it ever will do, afaic
22:37  * z-man is doing the dishes
22:37 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it does, since ZIP holds a subset of the path...
22:37 <TiTnAsS> rofl zman
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the path to the zip is the path to the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the zip *is* the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the resource is the zip!
22:37 <luke-jr_> or are we talking just about multi-file resources now?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're talking aobut one file resources.  :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> one ZIP file resources
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> with many components
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:38 <luke-jr_> ZIP contains files
22:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6078 / (armagetronad/branches/utf8/ private/wrtlprnft/utf8/): Moved the branch out of my private dir into the main brances dir to make it more visible to others
22:38  * Lucifer_arma is off to work on his back yard some more, bbiab
22:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: z-man: happy now?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> this branch was created on revision 4827...
22:38 <luke-jr_> anyway, multi-file ("component") resources are already spec'd out
22:39 <TiTnAsS> .
22:40 <DrJoeTron> it's an imposter
22:40 <luke-jr_> lol
22:40 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: What was the problem with them in the spec ?
22:40 <luke-jr_> anyway
22:41 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: there was no problem, we just haven't used them yet
22:41 <TiTnAsS> whos an imposter?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> me
22:41 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: quake x uses a similiar concept
22:41 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:41 <luke-jr_> anyone want to play FreeCiv?
22:41 <TiTnAsS> <--NOT an imposter
22:41  * wrtlprnft is a noob on freeciv
22:41  * luke-jr_ too
22:41  * TiTnAsS doesnt know wtf freeciv is
22:41 <wrtlprnft> you'd need to tell me how :P
22:41 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: google
22:42 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if I know how
22:42 <TiTnAsS> nty
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia freeciv
22:42 <joda_bot> quake looks in subfolders and if there is no file in the subfolders, it starts searching the filetables of all the pk3 files it indexed at startup
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.52 seconds: Freeciv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv>; User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying>; User:Qwm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwm>; Category:GPL images - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
22:42 <joda_bot> which are zip files
22:42 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: seems faster to just extract them once when installed
22:42 <joda_bot> if a match is found inside a zip file (which have the same layout) as the default file system, then the file from the first zip file (in alphabetical order) is used
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: no ;)
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: It gets pretty easy to install / uninstall a moviepack or other "grouped" resources that way
22:43 <luke-jr_> only if you know how to use the filesystem
22:43  * TiTnAsS goes back to playing wc3 - -;
22:44 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the ZIPs would be renamed, and use the game to install
22:44 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: sure, but that's easy enough for most ppl and one might still code a gui to use it
22:44 <DrJoeTron> this kid keeps trying to be my friend
22:44 <luke-jr_> the game would extract them and such
22:44 <TiTnAsS> joe
22:44 <TiTnAsS> who?
22:44 <DrJoeTron> the shit head tit kid
22:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: so how do i play that game?
22:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:44 <TiTnAsS> shit head tit kid
22:44 <TiTnAsS> rofl
22:44 <TiTnAsS> whats his aim
22:45  * wrtlprnft started civclient
22:45 <TiTnAsS> i want to talk to him
22:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you tell your units what to do
22:45 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16
22:45 <spidey> luke-jr_ wanna play again? ;x
22:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: sure, if others are up to it
22:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
22:45 <spidey> GodTodd?
22:45 <spidey> O.o
22:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what server do i connect to, for a start
22:46 <TiTnAsS> talking to him now
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: pick any empty one I guess
22:46 <TiTnAsS> ill copy paste the convo to you in aim
22:46 <TiTnAsS> if you want
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: meet you there
22:46 <TiTnAsS> after
22:46 <wrtlprnft> umm, logged in
22:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:47 <luke-jr_> 5563?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> aouch
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <wrtlprnft> sorry
22:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: coming?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey spidey 
22:51 <spidey> -_-
22:52 <joda_bot> cu later
22:52 <joda_bot> gn8
22:52 <joda_bot> #gn8
22:52 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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22:53 <Your_mom_arma> what game?
22:53 <spidey> luke-jr_ fix it -_-
22:53 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> i'm there
22:55 <spidey> Your_mom_armam freeciv
22:55 <spidey> wejp you're not
22:55 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <luke-jr_> different server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> can someone tell me
22:56 <TiTnAsS> what
22:56 <TiTnAsS> LOL server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> is?
22:56 <luke-jr_> LOL is a clan
22:57 <TiTnAsS> why does anyone care about it?
22:57 <luke-jr_> which one?
22:57 <TiTnAsS> LOL
22:57 <TiTnAsS> i saw some post saying "abuse of power at LOL by tna"
22:57 <TiTnAsS> but im not able to read it
22:57 <TiTnAsS> cuz my forums
22:57 <TiTnAsS> keeps timing out
22:57 <luke-jr_> the fake TNA bought one from me, and then screwed LOL over
22:57 <TiTnAsS> for no reason
22:58 <TiTnAsS> hmm?
22:58 <luke-jr_> the other LOL server is 4 team fortress
22:58 <TiTnAsS> howd he "screw" lol over from buying a server from you..
22:58 <TiTnAsS> and why didnt he just make his own server..
22:59 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: 1. my server is on a business connection with low pings and such
23:00 <luke-jr_> 2. he shut it down and redirected LOL's site to porn when they kicked him out
23:00 <luke-jr_> 3. he never paid me
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, not me.  I'm almost done in the back yard, and I've got to cook early, eat early, and sleep early, so I can have a good night's sleep and stuff for my test tomorrow
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> heh
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> luke cash first then services
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> at least he loved Jesus while he did all those things
23:01 <TiTnAsS> ..
23:01 <TiTnAsS> he got it on credit under my name?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> or what?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> rofl
23:02 <luke-jr_> I don't demand prepayment
23:02 <TiTnAsS> then youll never get paid for anything
23:06 <DrJoeTron> luke you arent going to see that money
23:06 <DrJoeTron> mom is right
23:06  * DrJoeTron Arma's lovable internet detective
23:08 <Vanhayes> freeciv has changed since the last time I played it, it has sound now 0_o
23:08 <DrJoeTron> Sound!?
23:08 <DrJoeTron> RAD!
23:09 <z-man> bedtime! cu all.
23:09 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
23:09 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:09 <TiTnAsS> "rad!"
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> " He also tries to brag, saying he partly developed arma (?) and invented double grinding (?). "
23:10 <TiTnAsS> aha...
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23:28 <DrJoeTron> what an interesting community we have
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00:57 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
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02:23 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: lame!@
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> did he betray you, luke-jr_ ?
02:57 <luke-jr_> no, he left
02:57 <luke-jr_> come back and ally with me
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, I gotta take a final tomorrow that I need to be well-rested for
02:57 <luke-jr_> dumb mexicans, koreans, and germans are fighting me :(
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you promise them peace and then turn on everyone?
02:58 <luke-jr_> no
02:58 <luke-jr_> I never promised it to the Germans
02:58 <luke-jr_> the others turns on me
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> they must have been allied with the Germans :)
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> we need our own arma freeciv server
02:59 <luke-jr_> heh
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> I just checked and there's no initscript for it :(
02:59 <luke-jr_> I don't use init scripts anyhow
02:59 <luke-jr_> not for my hosting stuff
03:00 <luke-jr_> init scripts are a pretty poor design, if you think about it
03:00 <luke-jr_> it assumes one instance of the service, and that it is global for the entire system
03:01  * Lucifer_arma hates init scripts, to be honest
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I could put it in local.start, though
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> but if it crashes, there's no easy way to restart it, which is what an initscript is good for :)
03:01 <luke-jr_> I designed a replacement called 'user services' for lightfoot =p
03:03 <luke-jr_> more or less, it allows instances of defined services in /home/USER/svc
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04:04 <luke-jr_> ...
04:04 <Your_mom_arm1> different server?
04:05 <luke-jr_> 2 players isn't fun
04:05 <luke-jr_> _spidey: poke
04:06 <luke-jr_> and it's getting kinda late too
04:06 <luke-jr_> these games take too long =p