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Log from 2006-08-23:
--- Day changed Wed Aug 23 2006
00:03 <DrJoeTron> soldat sucks
00:05 <spidey> joe sucks
00:06 <DrJoeTron> damn good
00:06 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:06 <DrJoeTron> so cypher dos'd my website
00:06 <DrJoeTron> he managed to suck a gig out of bandwidth
00:06 <DrJoeTron> not even
00:06 <DrJoeTron> 714mb used
00:06 <DrJoeTron> out of 2500 :D
00:15 <spidey> haha
00:15 <spidey> who's cypher?
00:15 <spidey> he can dos my site all he wants, my host doesn't meter my bandwith
00:15 <spidey> cpanel tells me so :)
00:16 <spidey> my bandwith usage has been at "0" for 2 months
00:27 <DrJoeTron> some adorable stalker
00:27 <DrJoeTron> of mine
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i think he fucked my site up too
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i cant access some directories
00:29 <DrJoeTron> anymore
00:29 <DrJoeTron> but can be accessed through FTP
00:35 <DrJoeTron> spidey http://www.joinfear.com/main?act=register1
00:37 <Vanhayes> spidey: ill probly wait to play that saved game that we've been playing for a few days whenever we do
00:44 <spidey> i'm already in a game
00:47 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
00:47 <spidey> wanna play?
00:47 <spidey> there's a place open
00:47 <spidey> and i hate the AI
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to get electricity next so my ironclads will upgrade
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's either that or I have to double the number of ironclads needed to intercept any spanish ships headed towards me
01:43 <Vanhayes> so do you want to play soon?
01:44 <Vanhayes> The spaish have rifle men too now, seems they have more techs than we do
01:44 <spidey> gay
01:44 <Vanhayes> ?
01:44 <spidey> i'm playing with this guy right
01:45 <spidey> he said we'd ally and play against a hard ai
01:45 <spidey> so i was defending my eastern sea bord
01:45 <spidey> fucker attacked from the west
01:45 <spidey> so i pulled a little trickery now the AI is at experimental, the hardest level
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01:45 <spidey> but he took my production cities -_-
01:45 <Vanhayes> wow thats lame, when you say its 2 vs ai then it should be 2 vs ai
01:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: ?
01:46 <spidey> he won't take the eastern seabord
01:46 <joda_bot> hi, I just have a question about this ? ;)
01:46 <spidey> that's for damn sure
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: `random' was not declared in this scope
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: template argument 2 is invalid
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
01:46 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 14 seconds)
01:46 <spidey> it's full of vet riflemen
01:46 <spidey> and i mean full of them
01:46 <joda_bot> #ping luke ;)
01:46 <armabot> pong
01:46 <Vanhayes> lol
01:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Juhu ?
01:47 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: I need some help fixing this for the windows build of trunk ?
01:47 <Vanhayes> spidey: it would be perfectly fine him turning on you if it was all humans though
01:49 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: ok, temporaryly fixed by commenting line 76 ;)
01:49 <spidey> it's not
01:49 <spidey> he said us vs AI
01:49 <ghableska> hmmm
01:49 <spidey> so i defend the eatern side because that's where the ai was attacking
01:49 <ghableska> http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/black.html
01:49 <spidey> west almost undefended
01:52 <spidey> hahaha
01:52 <spidey> he saw how heavily defended the east was, and decided for a peace
01:52 <spidey> i got my cities back plus all the units he had inside them
01:52 <spidey> lots of elites o.o
02:00 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: ...
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02:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, serves him right
02:05 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: So what should I do ?
02:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: do you remember what you wanted to talk to me about ?
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> nah, and whatever it was has expired by now :)
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I don't think the ai is more advanced than us anymore, but when we start up again, you should get espionage from me, build some spies, then go steal tech from him until you're even with him
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> but no sharing with me!  If I have to take the penalty again we might be screwed
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> I figure I'm going for tanks and planes, then I'll start working on my campaign against him
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe go for some real artillery instead of cannons
02:12 <Vanhayes> ok
02:13 <Vanhayes> can spys be used against democracy?
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> but I want electricity next so my ironclads can upgrade, makes the blockade cheaper to run
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you just cna't incite a revolt
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> but you can have them take out city walls and coastal defense :)
02:13 <Vanhayes> heh ya that will be nice
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if you get communism from me, your spies will all be veterans when built
02:14 <Vanhayes> kill some units too
02:14 <Vanhayes> hmm what is the mian difference between communism and monarchy?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> tax rate, mostly.  you can have 80% tax in communism
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> then the number of workers affected by units in the city for happiness computations is 2 instead of 1
02:15 <Vanhayes> ya that shouldnt effect anything negitivly then
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> and spies are veterans
02:15 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: What port does the shttpd.c Server use ?
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a hit on food production
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: 4550 by default
02:15 <joda_bot> ok
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> after I switched to monarchy two of my cities started starving, I'm going to need to build harbors there to take care of it
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, switched from monarchy to communism
02:16 <Vanhayes> Im pretty good for city improvements
02:16 <Vanhayes> plus pyramids help with the food
02:16 <spidey> -_-
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> I've got mines out the ass, and I'm putting out 3 new cannons every 2 turns, and I built a bunch of factories
02:16 <spidey> man
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> electricity lets me build power plants, right?
02:16 <spidey> i'm glad he made peace
02:16 <Vanhayes> I think so
02:16 <spidey> the americans are attacking left and right
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> and leonardo's workshop is keeping my units upgraded ;)
02:17 <Vanhayes> spidey maybe change the ai back?
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> so in a bit all my musketeers will be riflemen
02:17 <Vanhayes> nice didnt know we had riflemen
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> we do now :)
02:17 <Vanhayes> so when do you want to start?
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> still have to give you conscription, the ai wouldn't accept any treaties, but it wouldn't break them either
02:17 <spidey> he's at novice!
02:18 <Vanhayes> and how wil take TNA's spot this time?
02:18 <spidey> when you starting?
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> the ai was doing ok last time with his stuff
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, not yet, it's still a few hours away
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> we're just chatting
02:18 <Vanhayes> nice so you guys didnt screw too much up then I hope
02:18 <spidey> k
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, me and luke made some real progress
02:18 <spidey> i will if i'm not still in this one
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I took Leiria finally, which gives me a good forward naval base when I get it built up
02:19 <Vanhayes> ya I was about to take one portuegese city on my own and one with you
02:19 <Vanhayes> that was leiria I think
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, all I had left was infantry to support you, I stopped staging in luke's city and started staging in vitoria
02:20 <Vanhayes> ya I liked victoria's placement
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> so I've got a few cannons in there, and after I get some riflemen i'll start trying to advance on the spaniards.
02:20 <Vanhayes> glad I stole that one
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm setting all my cannons there to auto-attack, too, so they're helping defend it while I stage
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> auto-attack + railroads is an awesome defense
02:21 <Vanhayes> unless my ai changed production I should have alot more troops
02:21 <Vanhayes> or if it did change it then I have a ton of settelers
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> looks like he started building alpines.  I hate to admit, but I've been wanting alpines something fierce in this terrain
02:21 <Vanhayes> yes the movement helps alot
02:21 <Vanhayes> all mountains and hills
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> good skirmishers, but I don't think there's going to be room for skirmishers in the spanish territory
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> alpines will still work as a good infantry unit out there
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> send in the alpines to fortify, then bring in the cannons behind them
02:22 <Vanhayes> ya we wont need too many, it is mostly roads past victoria
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably going to be knife-fighting all the way anyway.  The problem going agianst a smallpox civilization is that there's no front you can fortify in the field
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> the front is a line of cities :/
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> I took out a barb caravel, though :)
02:24 <Vanhayes> lol nice, is there alot of barbarians?
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's a few, not terrible yet
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> luke's starting to pee his pants again, but a couple of musketeers and an auto-attack cannon are enough to protect against them
02:24 <DrJoeTron> wow, fear would be a lot cooler if  i had a better video card
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> the spaniards have been trying to get a beachhead in my territory but my cannons have been taking care of them so far
02:25 <Vanhayes> ya ive been taking cities that they set up near london for a long time now
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering building transports for the blockade and posting existing ironclads behind them to get anybody that tries to get through
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> graphics dont improve on medieocre gameplay
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> (cough doom3)
02:26 <Vanhayes> they always try to set up another one or take one of mine
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they've tried right next to pyongyang at least twice since you took out the last city there, and I've taken them out both times
02:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah but you needed the graphics for fear
02:26 <DrJoeTron> especially the effects 
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> they're wasting a lot of resources, and that's good.  As long as the spaniards are spending resources trying to get a beachhead and we're beating them back without spending resources, we will slowly increase our advantage
02:27 <joda_bot> #m z-man* Moved gParser.cpp's "#define vsnprintf _vsnprintf" to win32/config_common.h the define is not required for mingw, but probably for MSVC ?
02:27 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> I think we've got the upperhand right now, but it could still switch back against us
02:29 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_: does trunk build properly under linux right now ?
02:32 <spidey> man
02:32 <spidey> i'm doing good now
02:32 <spidey> holding my cities and building a shitload of ironclads and cannons
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I don't know, haven't tried to build it in several weeks
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02:51 <joda_bot> In file included from ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:30:
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\/gWinZone.h:85: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\/gWinZone.h:85: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:62: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:62: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (22 minutes, 23 seconds)
02:51 <joda_bot> Any ideas on this one ? Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ ?
02:51 <joda_bot> gWinzone.h: gZone * sg_CreateWinDeathZone( eGrid * grid, const eCoord & pos );
02:52 <joda_bot> gWinzone.cpp: gZone* sg_CreateWinDeathZone( eGrid * grid, const eCoord & pos )
02:55 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_: ah, didn't include all gZone files obviously ;)
03:11 <DrJoeTron> btw
03:11 <DrJoeTron> SoaP ticket stub
03:11 <DrJoeTron> in my wallet
03:11 <DrJoeTron> for life
03:13  * Your_mom_arma only hears bad things about that movie
03:13 <DrJoeTron> by who?
03:14 <DrJoeTron> by people who take the movie seriously?
03:14 <DrJoeTron> shame
03:14 <DrJoeTron> on
03:14 <DrJoeTron> them
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> freinds,tv
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> if tv says its bad it must be!
03:14 <DrJoeTron> its the worst movie ever
03:14 <DrJoeTron> you just watched keenan thompson fly a plane filled with mother fucking snakes with samuel L as his co pilot
03:14 <DrJoeTron> come on
03:14 <DrJoeTron> how could nay say that
03:14 <DrJoeTron> you cant
03:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck kel
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> who loves orange soda? wow thats your catch phrase?
03:15 <DrJoeTron> exactly
03:15 <DrJoeTron> so sam is better
03:15 <DrJoeTron> its worth seeing mom
03:15 <DrJoeTron> you will like it
03:15 <DrJoeTron> every possible death you can think of by snake bite is in it
03:16 <DrJoeTron> the goal is
03:16 <DrJoeTron> dont
03:16 <DrJoeTron> take it
03:17 <DrJoeTron> seriously
03:17 <DrJoeTron> if you do
03:17 <DrJoeTron> shame on you
03:17 <DrJoeTron> its like watching an mst3k movie without the track
03:17 <DrJoeTron> cause it doesnt need one
03:17 <DrJoeTron> though i would like the sillouette
03:17 <DrJoeTron> s
03:18 <luke-jr_> stfu
03:18 <DrJoeTron> never
03:18 <DrJoeTron> shut the front....urn?
03:23 <spidey> woohooo
03:24 <spidey> i just won my first game with other peoples :D
03:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey 's new name? Anoobis
03:24 <DrJoeTron> :p
03:24 <DrJoeTron> oh god did i just type that?
03:24 <DrJoeTron> i dont like my self anymore
03:24 <luke-jr_> who does?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> my kitty
03:25 <DrJoeTron> he loves himself
03:25 <luke-jr_> no no
03:25 <DrJoeTron> haha
03:25 <luke-jr_> who likes you
03:25 <luke-jr_> ?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> my kitty :D
03:25 <luke-jr_> =p
03:25 <DrJoeTron> and friends and family
03:25 <spidey> are you sure?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> letme ask
03:26 <DrJoeTron> no :(
03:26 <spidey> :)
03:26 -!- spidey is now known as JoeTheHated
03:27 <JoeTheHated> what's my ip
03:27 <JoeTheHated> sec
03:31  * joda_bot linking armagetron trunk
03:34 <JoeTheHated> hmm
03:34 <JoeTheHated> anyone know how to use emacs
03:34 <JoeTheHated> O.o
03:35 <joda_bot> JoeTheHated: uh, yeah I know it's complicated ;)
03:35 <joda_bot> you're using emacs or xemacs ?
03:35 <joda_bot> I can't recall any key bindings
03:54 <JoeTheHated> emacs
03:54 -!- JoeTheHated is now known as spidey
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> I like DrJoeTron 
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> but not on days ending in 'y'
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, I think he's awesome
03:56 <spidey> haha
03:57 <DrJoeTron> :D
03:57 <spidey> what you smiling at?
03:57 <spidey> he just said he don't like you :p
04:02 <DrJoeTron> its the other days
04:02 <DrJoeTron> <3
04:02 <DrJoeTron> the uh...checks in the mail Lucifer_arma 
04:03 <spidey> #night
04:03 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> I thought spidey was going to play freeciv with us?
04:08 <spidey> depends
04:08 <spidey> when you starting?
04:08 <spidey> cause i'm like
04:08 <spidey> tired
04:08 <spidey> and i gotta make alot of admin crap for my soldat server tomorrow
04:09 <spidey> my admins don't know how to use ssh -_-
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04:12 <Lucifer_arma> probably still gonna be a bit before we start...
04:12 <spidey> :/
04:12 <spidey> you're going to hell because you're not catholic*so luke jr says)
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> we need to try to train luke to quit typing "..."
04:12 <spidey> that's been my status on msn for days
04:12 <luke-jr_> ...
04:12 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:12 <spidey> <spidey> ?
04:12 <spidey> he did it again
04:12 <luke-jr_> ...
04:13 <spidey> ./ignore luke-jr_ 
04:13 <spidey> i probably will before i goto sleep heh
04:13 <spidey> that alert makes noises
04:13  * luke-jr_ notes a response would be more appropriate
04:13 <spidey> ...
04:14 <spidey> i gave you a response
04:14 <spidey> "?"
04:14 <luke-jr_> lies
04:14 <[dlh]> ...
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <spidey> <spidey> ?
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I have < 3 hrs till bed if you want to play
04:14 <spidey> proof
04:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: 
04:14 <spidey> me:
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> proof
04:14 <spidey> mhmm
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> might be better to wait until tomorrow
04:15 <mkzelda> where do ppl play tron these days?
04:15 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: Freeciv
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> we don't, we play freeciv, heh
04:15 <spidey> lol
04:15 <mkzelda> what is that?
04:16 <mkzelda> i dont need another video game addiction
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> civilization
04:16 <spidey> i addicting useless game
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> then don't play it
04:16 <spidey> s/i/a
04:16 <mkzelda> heh
04:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: my cutoff is midnight for the rest of the week
04:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: and 10 PM after that
04:16 <spidey> hahaha
04:16 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: don't worry, Freeciv games are under 24 hours usually
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we don't play tonight, maybe I can get some shit done and then play during the day to finish it off sometime :)
04:17 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: we usually play 6 hours at a time before saving and continuing later, tho
04:17 <mkzelda> what kind of game is it?
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but we should try shortening that to 2 hours at a time, and only playing every other day
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> strategy game, sorta.  You never playing sid meier's civilization?
04:18 <spidey> you're kidding right?
04:18 <spidey> we'll never finish a game
04:18 <mkzelda> no
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you start with a few settlers and you have to build your civilization
04:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: 24 / 2 * 2 = 24 days per game
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> from scratch
04:18 <mkzelda> turn based?
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> yep
04:18 <luke-jr_> unfortunately
04:19 <spidey> fuck that :D
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can always do "/away" if you have nothing to do besides click turn done
04:19 <spidey> lol
04:19 <luke-jr_> that won't make you guys go faster
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, there's diplomacy, technological research, and warfare
04:20 <luke-jr_> and cannibalism
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> you can win by conquering the world, or you can by points, but the game ends when one of several things happens:
04:20 <mkzelda> crashes?
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> 1) someone lands a successful colonization mission on alpha centauri
04:20 <mkzelda> heh
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> 2) all remaining players are allied (same as one player conquering the world)
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> 3) last year is reached, default is 2000 AD
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> 4) barbarians conquer the world
04:21 <spidey> lol
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04:21 <luke-jr_> 5) Luci eats people
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> but if you're sure you don't need another video game addiction, then I don't need to tell you to go to www.freeciv.org to check it out
04:22 <luke-jr_> certainly don't need to tell him that we play on a private server at www.davefancella.com
04:23 <luke-jr_> let's play an hour or 2 =p
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> going into withdrawal already?
04:23 <luke-jr_> got nothing much better to do
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, so far, a freeciv addiction cures an armagetron addiction
04:23 <spidey> true
04:23 <mkzelda> i only see win32 and macos
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> emerge freeciv
04:24 <luke-jr_> =p
04:24 <mkzelda> k
04:24 <luke-jr_> I've played Arma maybe once in the past 2 weeks
04:24 <luke-jr_> :|
04:24 <spidey> um
04:24 <luke-jr_> and that was to test my cheat code
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think I've played it for a month or more, heh, but I was stopping already for awhile
04:24 <mkzelda> ive tried playing last few days but i every server ive played on has sucked for a few reasons
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> last thing I needed was to pick up another damn video game
04:25 <spidey> i've played arma once in the last month
04:25 <spidey> O.o
04:25 <mkzelda> my ping bounces around from 130-800 for seemingly no reason
04:25 <spidey> on my servers?
04:25 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: play on servers I host =p
04:25 <mkzelda> i havent seen your servers last few times
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a windows worm crawling the net right now
04:25 <ghableska> #night
04:25 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
04:25 <mkzelda> ya luke yours was one that did that for me
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> judging from the kind of spam I've been getting and the fact that every insurance company my wife talked to had their computers down
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04:26 <luke-jr_> nah
04:26 <spidey> windows worm?
04:26 <luke-jr_> which one?
04:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: it's a worm that prefers windows over apples
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen any press on it, so I might be on crack, but the net has the feel of being attacked right now
04:26 <mkzelda> i just got back from a 1 week vacation luke, and i played it b4 that
04:26 <spidey> great,something else i can look forward to destroy this install besides me -_-
04:26 <mkzelda> it was a fort
04:27 <spidey> dude
04:27 <spidey> luci
04:27 <luke-jr_> this could be your server!?
04:27 <spidey> would this be a killer defense for freeciv
04:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: no
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> not in any way :)
04:28 <spidey> 1 build fortress on mountian, 2 put a city there, then a SDI and a sam battery
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> then march in with warriors because you forgot to put units in it?
04:28 <spidey> haha
04:28 <mkzelda> yes
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget you need a spy
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> spies defend against other spies, and without a spy I could march in and knock out SDI and SAM both
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> just wait until you've clicked "turn done" to move in my spy
04:29 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,  not if i'm democracy
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes, even so
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> democracy only prevents cities from being incited to revolt
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> I can still do all the other things spies can do against you
04:29 <spidey> and units being bribed
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> right, but I'm talking about industrial sabotage
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> and with spies you can pick the targets :)
04:30 <spidey> i think i got a new defense strateogy now
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> so, in your unit stack you need 2-3 heavily fortified high defense ratings, 2-3 auto-attack high rated offense units, and at least 1 spy
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> also, you never need more units inside the city than it has in size.  So a 5 point city only needs 5 units
04:31 <spidey> my cities are usually  2 vet+ riflemen and 1 cannon or howitzer
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> the reason is because after city walls are made obsolete, everytime a unit is killed the city reduces in size by 1
04:32 <spidey> no
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> so if you match the size of the city to the number of units in it, then even a successful attack will destroy the city and leave nothing for the other guy to take
04:32 <spidey> the only thing that can cancel a city wall aside from airunits(not including choppers) is a howitzer
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> except an empty railroad :)
04:33 <spidey> the great walls can be made obsolete
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, but at the tech level you're talking, an attacker should be using bombers, missiles, and howitzers to attack a city anyway
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> so city walls are useless
04:33 <spidey> most use armor
04:33 <spidey> lol
04:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, nah most people like to war early in the game
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's true, I prefer to attack with air and then let cheap tanks roll in and take the city
04:34 <spidey> i've played a few online games with other people
04:34 <spidey> they always attack early and my defense bitch smacks them
04:34 <spidey> ;x
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, the two times I like to war are when I've gotten cannons and musketeers, and then later when I have aircraft and missiles
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,  that game i just played
04:34 <spidey> the idiot would unload a shitload of troops right infront of my city
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> I like an ancient scenario where you're stuck with ancient units, but if there's a real tech race, I prefer to have at least industrialization
04:35 <spidey> i'd attack with a cannon and his units went by-by
04:35 <spidey> this happened every turn
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> unload?  off a transport?
04:35 <spidey> ya
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> he put them all in the same squares?
04:35 <spidey> yes
04:35 <spidey> he's retarded
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> that is dumb :)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> put them in different squares, advance slowly with infantry and draw the cannons out, then hit them with cavalry
04:36 <spidey> i swear i killed over 40+ units of his in 100years
04:36 <spidey> if that
04:36 <Your_mom_arma> i'll assume we won'nt be playing freeciv for a while
04:36 <DrJoeTron> haha what happened?
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> why's that?  I was hoping to play more of that game tonight...
04:36 <spidey> i always find a good spot and dig in with defense :)
04:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,  i don't use autoattack
04:37 <spidey> i watch over my cities and manual attack :p
04:37 <Your_mom_arma> well lukes bailing at 12
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he said that last night though
04:37 <spidey> 10 pm bedtime?
04:37 <spidey> i'm 16 and i don't have a bedtime :p
04:38  * spidey calls luke-jr_ 's wife and says "can luke come out and play pwetty pwease!?"
04:38 <spidey> if i could remember his number i would :/
04:38  * Lucifer_arma notes that wives don't always put bedtimes on husbands, sometimes people do it to themselves
04:39 <spidey> i goto sleep when i get tired
04:39 <spidey> i have since i was 11
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, spidey, the point is that you don't just unload all your units in one square around the city.  You move in a single infantry unit to each square and try to fortify
04:39 <spidey> i can stay up 3-4 days straight and keep going -_-
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> when you get the squares fortified, *then* you bring in the artillery to pound the city
04:40 <spidey> nah
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> infantry units are cheap at any level, artillery's not so cheap
04:40 <spidey> just make sure the last unit you unload is  a defensive unit and the terrain is in your favor
04:40 <spidey> you'll win every attack 
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, because the defensive unit is still at his lowest when he unloads
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> after he fortifies, then bring in the offensive units
04:41 <spidey> no,because the last unit unloaded defends that tile
04:41 <spidey> and all units in it
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, the highest defense rating defends the tile
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> but any unit that just unloaded is at its most vulnerable
04:42 <spidey> is that why i killed a tile full of riflemen and cannons with a musket?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> if you approach from land, you can usually go in on roads and have part of a turn's worth of fortifying before you get attacked
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's why you killed a tile full of riflemen and cannons with a musket
04:42 <spidey> riflemen are way higher rated than muskets
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> I unload slowly off transports, usually one group at a time
04:42 <spidey> i shouldn't have won
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but your musket was rested, his riflemen just used all their movement points unloading
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, if your musket was vet/hardened/whatever and his rifleman wasn't, your musket could easily have been stronger
04:43 <spidey> hm
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> riflemen are 5/4/1, musketeers are 3/3/1.  It doesn't take much to close the gap.
04:44 <spidey> nah, i  didn't build barracks till late
04:44 <spidey> was busy building defense
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> auto-attack units usually don't need barracks, they get their status pretty quickly if you get invaded :)
04:44 <spidey> i like that academy
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> sun tsu's?
04:45 <spidey> it gives a 50% chance after a sucessful battle that the stats increase
04:45 <spidey> ya
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> you should read his book, it's on project gutenberg :)
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, the 50% is already there to get veteran, but hardened is 25% and elite is only 5% iirc
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04:45 <Truancy_Bot> Arent you kids supposed to be back at school?
04:46 <spidey> with the academy they're all 50%
04:46 <spidey> i don't goto school
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and you have barracks in all your cities too, it's a nice little wonder
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> still, barracks are cheap, and leonardo's ensures you have the edge in upgrading units
04:46 <spidey> combine that with united nations
04:46 <spidey> you'll be stron
04:46 <spidey> strong
04:46 <spidey> very
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but in the end, it's rate of fire that decides the war anyway :)
04:47 <Your_mom_arma> i like how you guys have stratagy and i just kind of stumble around
04:47 <spidey> not always
04:47 <spidey> lol
04:47 <spidey> i use the same i used in civ2
04:47 <spidey> although i used cheats in civ2 :/
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't always eat my own dogfood.  I've been known to try to make a fast invasion and lose most of my offensive units for being stupid
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's what happened at coimbra last night
04:48 <spidey> heh
04:48 <spidey> the only way to a civ i built would be 1 more modern units, 2 take out my defense
04:49 <spidey> my first priority is defending my cities so i don't lose them
04:49 <spidey> unlike Vanhayes  :p
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a game where we have to run a serious land campaign
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, where navy is either impossible or can't do much anyway
04:50 <spidey> europe map
04:50 <spidey> i wanna play that
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, ever since vanhayes betrayed us I've been building defense early and keeping it upgraded
04:53 <spidey> i usually start aroud the time i get gunpowder
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> true, it doesn't get terribly strong until I get gunpowder, but that's because I'm still focusing on tech/expanding, and every civilization is either vulnerable early or vulnerable late
04:54 <spidey> unless i got leonardos workshop
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I start when I get phalanxes, usually, because warriors are fucking worthless
04:54 <spidey> haha
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather lose the game than build warriors, it's true
04:54 <spidey> i don't really worry at the start that much
04:54 <spidey> people are busy building
04:54 <spidey> :)
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> nah, most people are busy expanding anyway
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> because you need to get 10-12 cities as fast as possible and build workers
04:55 <spidey> workers?
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, workers
04:55 <spidey> i only use the default workers i get
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to build roads and stuff
04:55 <spidey> ya
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> we normally play with a lot of starting workers, but that's not default
04:55 <spidey> i've never needed more than i get when i start
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> default is either 1 worker or none, I don't remember
04:55 <spidey> no
04:55 <spidey> default is 3
04:55 <spidey> or 2
04:55 <spidey> i forget
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh.  I build a bunch right before I get railroads, then I try to upgrade them all to engineers when I get explosives
04:56 <spidey> i use the same on public servers to
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> then I prefer to send some on campaign, but usually don't
04:56 <spidey> well
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> but it takes so long to railroad I prefer to have 3 workers per city so I can railroad quickly
04:56 <spidey> by the time i've got a 4th city i've got already almost got 6 linked
04:56 <spidey> he
04:56 <spidey> heh
04:56 <luke-jr_> ...
04:57 <spidey> i plan where i put my cities
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I don't link first, first I get the cities working, link last usually
04:57 <spidey> i don't just say hey there's room here
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> but sometimes it's better to let the auto-settler figure out when to link it
04:57 <spidey> all my cities are high production and high science
04:57 <spidey> i disband useless ones
04:57 <spidey> auto-settler sucks
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, cities that are high food give you more settlers :)
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> also, trade
04:58 <spidey> i plan my cities for war and tech :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I kept myself from running out of money for awhile by building caravans, was able to avoid raising taxes
04:58 <spidey> i irragate for food
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but if the city grows really quickly, you can put out settlers faster
05:03 <spidey> but if the city has shitty production it doesn't matter
05:03 <spidey> 20turns/settler is gay
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like the auto-settler works with cma
05:03 <spidey> mine take 10 or less
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, there is gold.  If you need to build settlers, use gold
05:03 <spidey> nah
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> you can raise taxes or stick a high production city on coinage for a couple of turns
05:03 <spidey> my layout has worked good for me :p
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you need, really.
05:03 <spidey> ya
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm finding that certain layouts work well in different situations, and sometimes you have to improvise
05:04 <spidey> well
05:04 <spidey> lets put it this way
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I like luke's idea of trying to build a mars civilization.  Start it out in desert with a few glaciars and see what you can do
05:04 <spidey> i lost,but i put up a fight
05:04 <spidey> my tech's and army units was ancient
05:04 <spidey> i killed stealth fighters
05:04 <spidey> howitzers
05:04 <spidey> armor
05:04 <spidey> easily
05:05 <spidey> but he had more time to build,because i had to leave for a hour
05:05 <spidey> so he overran me :/
05:05 <spidey> i made my last stand at berlin :D
05:05 <spidey> i started pulling all my troops in when he started attacking because i wouldn't have lasted 10 turns spread out :/
05:06 <spidey> that was the game i played with the devs -_-
05:12  * spidey is going to sleep :p
05:12 <spidey> #night
05:12 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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05:23 <luke-jr_> wtf is tFunction?
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05:28 <Your_mom_arma> wb
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> are we going to play more of that game now?
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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06:10 <Truancy_Bot> good god im bored
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06:52 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma did you start classes yet?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> not yet
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> looks like next week
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to pick up that game now?
07:13 <luke-jr_> haha
07:13 <luke-jr_> we're all in bed
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13:25 <spidey> i was in bed
13:30 <spidey> bah
13:30 <spidey> my server says the ssl is running, but i can't connect local -_-
13:48 <spidey> :s
13:48 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,  Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma 
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14:35 <DrJoeTron> sweet, dont have school for 3 1/2 hours
14:35 <DrJoeTron> time to go back to bed
14:35 <DrJoeTron> this schedule rocks
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16:22 <spidey> i'll never play another game with people i don't know -_-
16:22 <spidey> they're all hellbent on global warming
16:22 <spidey> it's happen 3 times already and it's only 435AD
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18:09 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
18:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
18:20 <wrtlprnft> #alias add realchatlogs echo $who: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
18:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:20  * wrtlprnft is tired of this command waking him all the time ;)
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18:31 <spidey> haha
18:53 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
19:06 <Vanhayes> spidey
19:10 <Vanhayes> hmm for some reason all my settings for X-chat2 were set back to default
19:23 <spidey> A Dead Hooker's Guide To The Galaxy!
19:23 <spidey> hahaha
19:24 <spidey> i like how they described that movie
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19:55 <spidey> hmm
19:55 <spidey> sweet
20:08 <spidey> hmm
20:08 <spidey> i'ma watch silent hill
20:13 <DrJoeTron> spidey im sorry to hear that
20:17 <spidey> ?
20:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron....
20:21 <DrJoeTron> <spidey> i'ma watch silent hill
20:21 <spidey> ?
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20:23 <spidey> shit
20:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wtf you on about?
20:24 <DrJoeTron> nm
20:25 <spidey> ....
20:35 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you on drugs? :p
20:35 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ 
20:35 <deja_vu_> spidey: spidey spidey spidey 
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20:35 <spidey> lol
20:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: obviously DrJoeTron doesn't like silent hill ;)
20:36 <DrJoeTron> back
20:36 <DrJoeTron> silent hill sucked
20:39 <DrJoeTron> germany is sending troops to lebanon?
20:40 <DrJoeTron> Germany: "who taught you how to do this stuff? Israel: YOU, ALL RIGHT? I learned it from watching you! *sobs*
20:42 <wrtlprnft> not just germany
20:42 <DrJoeTron> true
20:42 <DrJoeTron> a fair ammount at least
20:43 <wrtlprnft> italy and spain are sending quite a few
20:43 <DrJoeTron> Oooo
20:44 <DrJoeTron> the new nasa exploration vehicle is named Orion
20:44 <DrJoeTron> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/mmb/orion_announcement.html
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21:43 <spidey> 1-2 step!
21:43 <spidey> btw
21:43 <spidey> playing freeciv with people you don't know is gay
21:44 <spidey> they're all hellbent on global warming,i mean i've never seen global warming happen 3+ times before 800AS
21:44 <spidey> AD
21:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: well, you're not exactly someone who tries to prevent it
21:48 <spidey> bs
21:48 <wrtlprnft> wherever your cities are there's waste en masse
21:48 <spidey> bullshit
21:49 <Vanhayes> bs=bullshit yes
21:49 <spidey> i had 2 polluted squares and 1 ton, that's 1 pollution
21:49 <spidey> which i cleaned up and got rid of the city pollution
21:49 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
21:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is always the pollution one
21:49 <spidey> :p
21:49 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: when do you want to start up that save game again? if today at all
21:50 <Vanhayes> in that game my cities are starting to make pollution
21:50 <Vanhayes> think global warming was at 2 when I last played
21:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: I dont even bother playing online with other people, all they ever do is smallpox
21:51 <Vanhayes> and that is just boring
21:51 <spidey> actually
21:51 <spidey> i did that
21:51 <spidey> i had 17 cities on a small ass map
21:51 <spidey> gotta love the lighthouse
21:51 <spidey> well not small map
21:52 <Vanhayes> well thats not really smallpoxing
21:52 <spidey> just small islands with a shitload of ocean
21:52 <spidey> it is when the other guys only have 8 or so
21:52 <spidey> :p
21:52 <spidey> i might have won to, but they polluted it so bad they all quit
21:52 <spidey> :/
21:52 <Vanhayes> smallpoxing by definition is haveing cities no farther than 2 spaces away from each other
21:52 <spidey> ya...
21:52 <spidey> like i said
21:52 <spidey> small islands
21:52 <spidey> i mean small
21:53 <wrtlprnft> as in 1x1?
21:53 <Vanhayes> wow that would be a lame map
21:53 <spidey> auto generated
21:53 <Vanhayes> all 1x1 would be a fully naval game
21:53 <Vanhayes> with paratroopers and marines
21:53 <spidey> i had 17 cities and they was all great cities
21:53 <spidey> then
21:54 <spidey> the first global warming affected 5 or so
21:54 <spidey> the next affected all of them
21:54 <spidey> but they where still good, they just couldn't grow -_-
21:54 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just get a few engineers to fix the damage?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> you can turn desert into grassland in a few turns
21:54 <spidey> i was
21:55 <spidey> everyone quit....
21:55 <spidey> it's swamps
21:55 <Vanhayes> glabal warming doesnt make swamps I dont think
21:55 <Vanhayes> it makes desert
21:55 <spidey> yes....
21:55 <spidey> no....
21:55 <Vanhayes> why would it getting hotter make it wetter?
21:56 <spidey> it causes the oceans to raise
21:56 <spidey> and grasslands become swamps
21:56 <wrtlprnft> well, that's even faster to fix
21:56 <wrtlprnft> irrigate
21:56 <wrtlprnft> 3 rounds per square
21:56 <spidey> skrew that
21:56 <Vanhayes> well when you and luci caused global warming in your game it made plains into desert
21:56 <spidey> it killed all my buffalo sqaures
21:56 <spidey> :(
21:56 <spidey> plains
21:56 <spidey> plains give 1 food and 1 shield
21:56 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't they come back?
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21:57 <spidey> grasslands give 2 food
21:57 <wrtlprnft> i know
21:57 <spidey> unless it's a sheild square
21:57 <spidey> so...
21:57 <spidey> grasslands become swamps
21:57 <wrtlprnft> but you can build farmland and road on it
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then you have 4 food and 2 trade
21:57 <spidey> doesn't matter
21:57 <spidey> no!
21:57 <Vanhayes> spiey doesnt build workers
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then add a few hills with rails and mines
21:57 <spidey> you get 1 food on a swamp
21:57 <Vanhayes> spidey*
21:57 <wrtlprnft> those give 1 food and 4 prod
21:57 <Vanhayes> farm makes more food
21:57 <spidey> no they don't 
21:58 <spidey> they give only 1 food
21:58 <spidey> look,i was in the game i know what it did :)
21:58 <wrtlprnft> spidey: build mines
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then they give 3 prod
21:58 <spidey> it was irrageted and roaded
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then build a rail on it
21:58 <Vanhayes> well I know farms give you more food points
21:58 <spidey> you don't even get trade 
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then you get 4 prod
21:58 <Vanhayes> er irragate*
21:58 <spidey> NO
21:58 <Vanhayes> one of them
21:58 <spidey> NONONONONO
21:58 <spidey> stfu
21:58 <spidey> -_-
21:58 <Vanhayes> calm down spidey 
21:58 <spidey> you're not listening!
21:58 <wrtlprnft> hills + rail + mine = 1food, 4prod, 0trade
21:58 <Vanhayes> take a deep breath
21:58 <wrtlprnft> that's it
21:59 <spidey> .....
21:59 <spidey> dude
21:59 <spidey> workers CANNOT terraform
21:59 <spidey> only egineers
21:59 <wrtlprnft> well
21:59 <Vanhayes> um
21:59 <wrtlprnft> then GET engineers
21:59 <spidey> um the game ended before anyone had that
21:59 <spidey> me atleast
21:59 <spidey> i had a 250so science points
21:59 <wrtlprnft> well, then get better people to play with
21:59 <spidey> -_-
22:00 <wrtlprnft> hint: AIs don't quit
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22:00 <spidey> me vs 10 AI's is gay
22:01 <spidey> and when they use the 'end' command it does quit
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22:03 <Vanhayes> workers can make swamps into grassland again
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22:04  * murat|yoh ahanda d?nd?...
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22:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, but not hills
22:05 <jnmbk> Hi, I'm trying to make an armagetronad package for my favourite linux distro, but when I enable music in configure, It gives a segmentation fault at first run. Is there a patch for that?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: what version?
22:06 <jnmbk> latest, 
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22:06 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: latest? Do you mean 0.2.8.2 or 0.3.0?
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22:06 <jnmbk> 0.2.8.2.1
22:07 <spidey> very polluted square increases the chance of global warming. Each time global warming advances, the entire world loses coastal land for jungles and swamps, and inland squares are lost to desert. This tends to devastate cities and leads to global impoverishment.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> i think music just doesn't work in 0.2.8.2.1
22:07 <spidey> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Cities#Pollution
22:08 <jnmbk> ok
22:09 <murat> wrtlprnft so when will the 3.0 version be released?
22:09 <jnmbk> 0.3.0
22:09 <murat> sorry
22:09 <murat> 0.3
22:10 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0 is released already
22:10 <wrtlprnft> but 0.3 is a development branch, ie nothing stable
22:10 <jnmbk> we didn't see it on web site
22:10 <jnmbk> where is it?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:10 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Windows&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
22:10 <spidey> ?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?branch=0.3
22:11 <jnmbk> ah, thanks very much :)
22:11 <wrtlprnft> Warning: These are development snapshots of Armagetron Advanced. The code may be untested and contain bugs or broken functionality. There is no warranty that they will work or even be safe to run. It is possible that they may make your computer explode, corrupt your hard drive, ring all your phones, make you play GLTron, or bite your arms off! You have been warned!
22:11 <wrtlprnft> be sure to read this ;)
22:11 <spidey> HAHA
22:11 <murat> :D
22:11 <murat> ok
22:12 <spidey> wtf
22:12 <jnmbk> it would be good if it rings my phones..
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22:12 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
22:12 <spidey> Warning: These are development snapshots of Armagetron Advanced. The code may be untested and contain bugs or broken functionality. There is no warranty that they will work or even be safe to run. It is possible that they may corrupt your hard drive, put ants in your pants, ring all your phones, shave your cat, cause lack of sleep, or paint your house/apartment in pink! You have been warned! 
22:12 <DrJoeTron> my arms exploded off
22:12 <spidey> the one i'm looking at says that
22:12 <spidey> o.o
22:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's autogenerated
22:12 <spidey> O.o
22:13 <wrtlprnft> it has a number of disasters and prints a different combination each time
22:13 <wrtlprnft> try reloading
22:13 <spidey> haha
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22:13 <DrJoeTron> my desktop is being extra annoying today
22:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php?revision=5928&view=markup#l_81
22:14 <DrJoeTron> spidey
22:14 <DrJoeTron> go download fear combat :D
22:14 <spidey> no joe i will not download whatever game it is this time
22:14 <spidey> no joe, i will not download fear of combat
22:14 <DrJoeTron> good, because thats not a game
22:14 <DrJoeTron> :p
22:15 <spidey> ok joe, i still will not download fear of combat
22:15 <spidey> :D
22:15 <DrJoeTron> good, that game sucks
22:15 <spidey> haha
22:15 <DrJoeTron> :D
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22:16 <spidey> i ned to clean my room
22:18 <DrJoeTron> i do too
22:18 <DrJoeTron> and my desktop needs to get its head out of its ass
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22:18 <spidey> my desktop needs a makeover
22:18 <spidey> haha
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22:20 <spidey> haha
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23:11 <spidey> deja_vu, 
23:11 <deja_vu> spidey: 
23:11 <spidey> deja_vu, 
23:11 <deja_vu> how are you? :P
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23:11 <wrtlprnft_> spidey:
23:11 <spidey> lol
23:11 <spidey> lol
23:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 
23:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 
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23:11 <spidey> me:
23:11 <spidey> me:
23:11 <wrtlprnft_> spidey:
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23:15 <wrtlprnft> brb
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23:17 <wrtlprnft> ←↓→£€ <-- test
23:17 <wrtlprnft> now using utf-8
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23:20 <luke-jr_> didn't work
23:20 <luke-jr_> or maybe this channel isn't set to utf8 for some reason
23:21 <wrtlprnft> what did you see?
23:21 <Vanhayes> ←↓→£€
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23:21 <Vanhayes> thats what I saw
23:21 <Vanhayes> thats what I saw
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23:21 <luke-jr_> blankness
23:21 <luke-jr_> blankness
23:21 <Vanhayes> no...
23:21 <Vanhayes> no...
23:21 <luke-jr_> ☠ I be a pirate! ☠
23:21 <luke-jr_> ☠ I be a pirate! ☠
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's what you were supposed to see
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's what you were supposed to see
23:21 <Vanhayes> arrow left down right and euro stuff
23:21 <Vanhayes> arrow left down right and euro stuff
23:21 <wrtlprnft> € <-- that an euro sign?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> € <-- that an euro sign?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: saw yours
23:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: saw yours
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though the font is to small to make out details
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though the font is to small to make out details
23:22 <luke-jr_> ☺
23:22 <luke-jr_> ☺
23:22 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately dejavu sans mono seems to be missing the arrows :(
23:22 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately dejavu sans mono seems to be missing the arrows :(
23:23 <deja_vu> not my fault :P
23:23 <deja_vu> not my fault :P
23:23 <luke-jr_> ♕ <-- chess king
23:23 <luke-jr_> ♕ <-- chess king
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:23 <luke-jr_> IRC fonts are too small for graphic symbols
23:23 <luke-jr_> IRC fonts are too small for graphic symbols
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚠ watch out for walls from the future ⚠
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚠ watch out for walls from the future ⚠
23:24 <luke-jr_> ☆☆☆
23:24 <luke-jr_> ☆☆☆
23:24 <spidey> ???? 
23:24 <spidey> ???? 
23:24 <wrtlprnft> 陲陲陲
23:24 <wrtlprnft> 陲陲陲
23:24 <spidey> þþ?? í     õõõÒÒÒ??êêê?????????????????????????????
23:24 <spidey> þþ?? í     õõõÒÒÒ??êêê?????????????????????????????
23:25 <spidey> <3 char map
23:25 <spidey> <3 char map
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ☢ radioactive! ☢
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ☢ radioactive! ☢
23:26 <spidey> anyone wanna play a game with global warming turned off?
23:26 <spidey> anyone wanna play a game with global warming turned off?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: 頥
23:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: 頥
23:26 <luke-jr_> ✈ airplane
23:26 <luke-jr_> ✈ airplane
23:26 <spidey> 450-45;kdf badspelling
23:26 <spidey> 450-45;kdf badspelling
23:27 <wrtlprnft> we should have #dice output these: 顖顗願顙顚顛
23:27 <wrtlprnft> we should have #dice output these: 顖顗願顙顚顛
23:27 <luke-jr_> ひらが
23:27 <luke-jr_> ひらが
23:28 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:28 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:28 <wrtlprnft> something's messed up with my kcharselect
23:28 <wrtlprnft> something's messed up with my kcharselect
23:28 <Vanhayes> ®©¾½¼
23:28 <Vanhayes> ®©¾½¼
23:29 <Vanhayes> wow tunga 9 font sucks
23:29 <Vanhayes> wow tunga 9 font sucks
23:29 <spidey> lol
23:29 <spidey> lol
23:29 <luke-jr_> ٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭
23:29 <luke-jr_> ٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭
23:29 <spidey> i'm using monospace 9
23:29 <spidey> i'm using monospace 9
23:29 <luke-jr_> *٭*٭*٭
23:29 <luke-jr_> *٭*٭*٭
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:30 <spidey> hm
23:30 <spidey> hm
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's what #dice should output
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's what #dice should output
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ☮
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ☮
23:30 <luke-jr_> ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫⑬⑭⑮⑯⑰⑱⑲⑳
23:30 <luke-jr_> ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫⑬⑭⑮⑯⑰⑱⑲⑳
23:31 <spidey> EXEC	%1 is not a valid Win32 application.
23:31 <spidey> EXEC	%1 is not a valid Win32 application.
23:31 <spidey> o.o
23:31 <spidey> o.o
23:31 <luke-jr_> ╞══════════╪══════════╡
23:31 <luke-jr_> ╞══════════╪══════════╡
23:31 <spidey> åß¥§§
23:31 <spidey> åß¥§§
23:31 <spidey> ;x
23:31 <spidey> ;x
23:32 <wrtlprnft> ⌨
23:32 <wrtlprnft> ⌨
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◧◨◩◪  ◢◣◤◥
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◧◨◩◪  ◢◣◤◥
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◢◣
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◢◣
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◥◤
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◥◤
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▇▆▇▆▅▄▅▆▇████▇▆▅▄▃▄▃▂▁
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▇▆▇▆▅▄▅▆▇████▇▆▅▄▃▄▃▂▁
23:34 <wrtlprnft> i love dejavu :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> i love dejavu :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> the font, that is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> the font, that is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> heh, there's an e╳tra big ╳
23:34 <wrtlprnft> heh, there's an e╳tra big ╳
23:34 <luke-jr_> maybe it's not an X
23:34 <luke-jr_> maybe it's not an X
23:35 <wrtlprnft> probably not
23:35 <wrtlprnft> probably not
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ╳╳└
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ╳╳└
23:36 <luke-jr_> Χtian != Xtian ;p
23:36 <luke-jr_> Χtian != Xtian ;p
23:36 <luke-jr_> ΧX
23:36 <luke-jr_> ΧX
23:36 <luke-jr_> they look the same
23:36 <luke-jr_> they look the same
23:36 <luke-jr_> but the first is the Greek Χ
23:36 <luke-jr_> but the first is the Greek Χ
23:36 <luke-jr_> chi
23:36 <luke-jr_> chi
23:36 <luke-jr_> IIRC
23:36 <luke-jr_> IIRC
23:36 <wrtlprnft> ⒽⒾ ⓉⒽⒺⓇⒺ
23:36 <wrtlprnft> ⒽⒾ ⓉⒽⒺⓇⒺ
23:36 <luke-jr_> heh
23:36 <luke-jr_> heh
23:36 <luke-jr_> I use Ψ for IM
23:36 <luke-jr_> I use Ψ for IM
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:37 <luke-jr_> Psi
23:37 <luke-jr_> Psi
23:37 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:37 <luke-jr_> π =p
23:37 <luke-jr_> π =p
23:37 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ‽
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ‽
23:38 <wrtlprnft> gee, that char isn't in dejavu
23:38 <wrtlprnft> gee, that char isn't in dejavu
23:39  * wrtlprnft hopes dejavu will grow to cover all the arrows and some other useful stuff
23:39  * wrtlprnft hopes dejavu will grow to cover all the arrows and some other useful stuff
23:39 <spidey> gYou cannot begin working a square which a neighboring city is already working, nor can you work terrain upon which an enemy land unit is standing or terrain inside another player's borders. Thus you can simulate conditions of siege by stationing your units atop valuable resources around an enemy
23:39 <spidey> gYou cannot begin working a square which a neighboring city is already working, nor can you work terrain upon which an enemy land unit is standing or terrain inside another player's borders. Thus you can simulate conditions of siege by stationing your units atop valuable resources around an enemy
23:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> read that long ago
23:39 <wrtlprnft> read that long ago
23:40 <wrtlprnft> that's an expensive way of forcing a city down
23:40 <wrtlprnft> that's an expensive way of forcing a city down
23:40 <spidey> expensice?
23:40 <spidey> expensice?
23:40 <spidey> expesnive*
23:40 <spidey> expesnive*
23:40 <spidey> grr
23:40 <spidey> grr
23:40 <wrtlprnft> you need about 15 units to do any real impact
23:40 <wrtlprnft> you need about 15 units to do any real impact
23:40 <spidey> nah
23:40 <spidey> nah
23:40 <wrtlprnft> and when you get the city it has no population
23:40 <wrtlprnft> and when you get the city it has no population
23:41 <spidey> if you can cut the production that's all you need
23:41 <spidey> if you can cut the production that's all you need
23:42 <wrtlprnft> dunno, do diplomats stop a city from using the square they're standing on?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> dunno, do diplomats stop a city from using the square they're standing on?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> if they do that's a cheap way as diplomats don't need any upkeep
23:42 <wrtlprnft> if they do that's a cheap way as diplomats don't need any upkeep
23:42 <spidey> neither do workers
23:42 <spidey> neither do workers
23:43 <spidey> well
23:43 <spidey> well
23:43 <spidey> sheilds
23:43 <spidey> sheilds
23:43 <spidey> caravans don't 
23:43 <spidey> caravans don't 
23:45 <spidey> finally
23:45 <spidey> finally
23:45 <spidey> sldfkjaoerwtjlkd;fglkdfg@ people using my email to make yahoo screen names
23:45 <spidey> sldfkjaoerwtjlkd;fglkdfg@ people using my email to make yahoo screen names
23:45 <spidey> -_-
23:45 <spidey> -_-
23:46 <spidey> i think i'll click that cancel button
23:46 <spidey> i think i'll click that cancel button
23:59 <DrJoeTron> they retired the F14 tomcat :/
23:59 <DrJoeTron> they retired the F14 tomcat :/
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