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Log from 2006-08-22:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 22 2006
00:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arm1: heh, you're here at least.
00:00 <wrtlprnft> there's other devs who i haven't seen once for all the time i've been on this project
00:01 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:01 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:01 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:12 <spidey> i'ma go find a freeciv game starting that i won't get owned in
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00:13 <Your_mom_arm1> which one are you joining?
00:13 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
00:14 <Vanhayes> think that is up?
00:14 <Your_mom_arm1> his website is
00:14 <Vanhayes> ya I meant his freeciv server
00:14 <Vanhayes> it isnt
00:15 <Vanhayes> spidey: which one are you joining?
00:19 <spidey> Vanhayes the one at the top of the list
00:20 <spidey> it's in pregame
00:20 <spidey> with 4 users
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00:21 <spidey> Vanhayes?
00:22 <spidey> Vanhayes better hurry if you wanna play :p
00:25 <spidey> to late :(
00:30  * luke-jr_ thinks wrtlprnft is female
00:35 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
00:35 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
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01:20 <spidey> lol
01:41 <Your_mom_arm1> crashed freeciv
01:41 <spidey> mom?
01:41 <spidey> coming back?
01:42 <Your_mom_arm1> grr
01:42 <spidey> ??
01:48 <luke-jr_> ...
01:48 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv keeps crashing and some guy in game keeps telling me to switch to linux
01:52 <luke-jr_> good advice
01:52 <luke-jr_> that's what I'd tell you if your Arma kept crashing
01:53 <Your_mom_arm1> look i like free software as much as the next guy
01:53 <Your_mom_arm1> but if arma and freeciv never worked again i still wouldnt uninstall windows
02:01 <luke-jr_> dummy
02:05 <Your_mom_arm1> explain to me why i would want to basically throw away perfectly good games that wine wont be powerfull enough to emulate?
02:06 <luke-jr_> because they're *not* perfectly good
02:06 <luke-jr_> and WINE is not an emulator
02:07 <Your_mom_arm1> luke im not going to continue this anyfarther so lets just agree to disagree
02:08 <luke-jr_> in other words, you can't defend your position
02:08 <GodTodd> you have to defend preferences?
02:09 <luke-jr_> mom does
02:09 <luke-jr_> =p
02:09 <GodTodd> hmmm
02:09 <GodTodd> not very logical thinking
02:13 <GodTodd> not to mention that calling someone a 'dummy' for not wanting to switch to your preferred software is pretentious as hell
02:14 <luke-jr_> Windows is crap
02:21 <GodTodd> i agree...but that is an opinion and just because someone else doesn't hold that opinion doesn't make them a 'dummy'
02:21 <GodTodd> that's all i'm saying
02:23 <luke-jr_> no
02:23 <luke-jr_> it's a conclusion based on facts
02:23 <luke-jr_> and then summarized =p
02:24 <GodTodd> that you're a dummy if you don't use linux?
02:25 <GodTodd> ok...let's try a different tack....what if i were to say you're a dummy for being christian?  
02:27 <luke-jr_> nah, I meant the "Windows is crap" statement
02:27 <luke-jr_> you'd be wrong
02:27 <GodTodd> according to whom?
02:28 <luke-jr_> wrong is a factual matter
02:28 <GodTodd> nice double talk
02:29 <GodTodd> so...my opinions are wrong?
02:29 <luke-jr_> depends on what your opinions are
02:29 <GodTodd> learn that in church, didja?
02:29 <GodTodd> heh
02:29 <luke-jr_> so when do we resume last night's game?
02:29 <luke-jr_> no, that's basic logic
02:30 <GodTodd> ok...prove that christianity is correct
02:30 <GodTodd> cuz it's my opinion it's not
02:30 <luke-jr_> people here tend to reject documented observations, so that might be difficult
02:31 <GodTodd> documented where?
02:31 <GodTodd> and by whom?
02:31 <GodTodd> and if it is 'right' then it shouldn't be hard at all
02:32 <luke-jr_> it is if documents are rejected
02:33 <GodTodd> you still havent answered on that so you must not be too confident of its validity
02:34 <luke-jr_> any
02:34 <GodTodd> it's documented any?
02:34 <GodTodd> wtf does that mean?
02:34 <GodTodd> [GodTodd] documented where?
02:34 <GodTodd>  [GodTodd] and by whom?
02:34 <luke-jr_> it doesn't matter where/whom, it's rejected here
02:34 <GodTodd> fine
02:34 <GodTodd> your opinion is wrong then
02:35 <luke-jr_> opinions cannot be right nor wrong
02:35 <GodTodd> you just said they are
02:35 <luke-jr_> no
02:35 <GodTodd> [GodTodd] so...my opinions are wrong?
02:35 <GodTodd>  <luke-jr_> depends on what your opinions are
02:35 <GodTodd> bullshit
02:35 <luke-jr_> you're the one using the word opinion there =p
02:36 <luke-jr_> I'm just responding
02:36 <GodTodd> ummm do you see the line with your name?
02:36 <GodTodd> you're wrong and trying to back out
02:36 <GodTodd> cowardly
02:36 <luke-jr_> you used the wrong word, and I knew what you meant and replied using the same wrong word
02:36 <GodTodd> fuck that
02:36 <GodTodd> you're wrong
02:37 <GodTodd> and contradicted yourself
02:37 <luke-jr_> nope
02:37 <GodTodd> ok
02:37 <luke-jr_> next time would you rather I nitpick the terms you use?
02:37 <GodTodd> you think what you want
02:37 <GodTodd> sure...hasn't stopped you with anyone else
02:38 <GodTodd> so..what term should i have used Mr. Professor?
02:40 <GodTodd> if 'windows is crap' is a well-known 'fact' please define the term 'crap' in general...
02:41 <GodTodd> my contention is that crap in this sense essentially means 'useless'...and it is not useless for a lot of people
02:41 <GodTodd> for you, it may very well be...but that leads to an opinion
03:00 <spidey> dude
03:00 <spidey> freeciv is one buggy fucker
03:00 <ghableska> O_o
03:01 <spidey> crashed and i can't reconnect to the fucking server
03:02  * Your_mom_arm1 has had that happen before
03:02  * Vanhayes stays out of tonights religous/truth/facts debate with luke-jr_ 
03:02 <ghableska> lol Vanhayes
03:02  * ghableska thinks the debate is over
03:03 <Vanhayes> it never is over, just over for now
03:03 <ghableska> hehe
03:03 <GodTodd> heh
03:03 <GodTodd> he retreated i think
03:03 <ghableska> :P
03:03 <Your_mom_arm1> heh
03:04 <Your_mom_arm1> game ended by vote, that guy had trash all over his island
03:05 <spidey> is it restarting?
03:05 <Vanhayes> hmm is Lucifer_arma here?
03:05 <spidey> i'll never play with kim2 again
03:05 <Vanhayes> I really want to finish that game we started
03:05 <spidey> he cause global warming twice and was working on a 3rd within 10 rounds
03:05 <ghableska> haha
03:05 <Vanhayes> ya its a tactic
03:05 <spidey> how
03:06 <spidey> it hurts you to
03:06 <Vanhayes> he probly had cities on mountains
03:06 <Vanhayes> that way he could drown you
03:06 <Vanhayes> while his cities are safe high up
03:06  * spidey notes next time 'globalwarming' is getting set to 0
03:06 <ghableska> :P
03:06 <Vanhayes> heh
03:07 <spidey> oh and now i can connect to a server
03:07 <spidey> gay
03:08 <Vanhayes> can or can't?
03:09 <spidey> can
03:09 <spidey> couldn't after i got disconnected in the middle of a fucked up game :/
03:09 <Vanhayes> thats a bad thing?
03:09 <spidey> couldn't even share tech's in that one -_-
03:09 <spidey> Your_mom_arm1 Vanhayes wanna start a game with just us?
03:10 <Vanhayes> ya probly in a few minutes
03:10 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma 
03:10 <Vanhayes> grr I really wanted to finish that game
03:10 <ghableska> :P
03:10 <spidey> what game?
03:10 <Vanhayes> last nights
03:10 <spidey> was i there?
03:10 <Vanhayes> it was a good one
03:10 <spidey> we've got a ton of games to finish
03:10 <Vanhayes> you took over for TNA/ai for 5-10 rounds
03:10 <spidey> lol
03:11 <spidey> oh ya
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03:25 <Lucifer_arma> gonna be a bit
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> <---- about to eat dinner
03:25 <spidey> <--- really tired
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, GodTodd can take Nick if we're short a player.  Or you can give me all Nick's cities.  :)
03:33 <spidey> lol
03:33 <spidey> no
03:33 <spidey> i'm watching a zombie movie i've never seen
03:34 <spidey> day of the dead 2 contagium
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's the period in japan that this map is built around
03:49  * Your_mom_arm1 waits for a map mainly featuring texas from luci
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> thought about it, but texas is a pretty boring state to put a bunch of civilizations in
03:51 <Your_mom_arm1> do a delaware map, enough space for one city
03:51 <GodTodd> besides you'd have to include yankees :/
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it would be more interesting to have a texas civiliztion than a texas map
03:55 <GodTodd> heh
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> a us map built around the indian wars might be interesting
03:56 <Your_mom_arm1> do certain civilizations have an advantage?
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, it only matters when the ai takes them over
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> even then I dont know if the ai just adopts a character independent of the civilization it has, or if it tries to have a character in line with that civilization
04:06 <luke-jr_> ...
04:07 <luke-jr_> I want to be the Ancient Aliens if we do native american
04:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:07  * luke-jr_ wonders if that's even real =p
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think a map built around the Belisarius series would be really awesome
04:08 <luke-jr_> my most recent 'education' about native american history is the X-Files =p
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> Byzantines have to invade India, and there's a really nice little tech race going
04:08 <luke-jr_> translation: I know nothing about it
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, native american history isn't terribly interesting :/
04:08 <luke-jr_> heh
04:08 <luke-jr_> I wouldn't know
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't get interesting until white people start destroying them
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much everything before about 1400 AD is known only through archaeological research, no written histories were kept
04:09 <luke-jr_> so we can make it up as we go along
04:09 <luke-jr_> what about oral histories?
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> the oral histories are mostly of the same form:
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> "First <whatever> rose up out of the ocean, created by the sun and founded our first city"
04:10 <Your_mom_arm1> i call mayas' if we do that kind of game
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> "Then <whoever> mated with <some wild animal> to populate the city"
04:10 <luke-jr_> Luci can be Aztec
04:10 <luke-jr_> =p
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> nah, the spaniards were the good guys when they conquered the aztecs :/
04:11 <luke-jr_> =p
04:11 <luke-jr_> why don't we do a mars map
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> I want to be the cliff-dwellers
04:11 <luke-jr_> cliffs are supported?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> not really, it's just building cities in hills near streams in a desert
04:12 <luke-jr_> =p
04:12 <luke-jr_> hm
04:12 <luke-jr_> Freeciv needs an "Underground Bunker" city enhancement
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> it also needs a smaller rocket unit tht can be carried by transports and some ground units
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> rockets entered warfare quite a while before explosives were developed, they just used gunpowder payloads
04:14 <luke-jr_> need fireworks too
04:14 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv needs a mode where you can teraform and populate other planet
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> both the japanese and the chinese had them
04:14 <luke-jr_> that can be used to make people happy
04:14 <luke-jr_> or as a method of war
04:15 <luke-jr_> terrorist units would be interesting too
04:15 <luke-jr_> and kamikaze
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> I can see terrorists being useful
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> but that's basically what you have with a diplomat anyway
04:16 <Your_mom_arm1> minus the money
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> the only real difference is a terrorist can do only industrial sabotage and has a much higher chance of success than a diplomat
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, it would be helpful if you could blow up terrorists on the field, but I don't see a useful way to make that happen that's consistent with behavior in the field for other units
04:17 <Your_mom_arm1> terrorist units could cause an anarchtic goverment to split with half joining your side
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> that only works against Americans
04:18 <Your_mom_arm1> anyone up for a game?
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you could use a diplomat to subvert only part of a city, then funnel money into that city to build terrorists
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> in a bit I'll be ready to restore the game we saved yesterday....
04:18 -!- Fonkay [n=savirc@blk-89-197-246.eastlink.ca] has joined #armagetron
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe another hour or so
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> hiya Fonkay 
04:18 <Your_mom_arm1> hey fonkay
04:19 <Fonkay> hello
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should do the japan map again at some point but get rid of the tech penalty :)
04:20 <Fonkay> trying to get my dog to fall asleep
04:20 <Fonkay> so just wasting time
04:21 <Fonkay> can anyone read this?
04:21 <mkzelda> no
04:21 <Fonkay> not funny :P
04:21 <mkzelda> no i really cant
04:21  * mkzelda cant read at all :(
04:21 <Fonkay> irc keeps giving me errors
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda is an illiterate guy
04:22 <mkzelda> it happens
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04:24 <Your_mom_arm1> look what you two did
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04:25 <Your_mom_arm1> wb
04:25 <Fonkay> ok what does i mean that my sock is not connected?
04:25 <GodTodd> on the foot side or the shoe side?
04:25 <Fonkay> cause it keeps disconnecting me and then re-connecting
04:26 <Fonkay> telling me to disconnect from irc
04:26 <Fonkay> and apllication errors. this thing is fucked
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04:28 <Your_mom_arm1> huh
04:28 <mkzelda> rofl@godtodd
04:28 <luke-jr_> it means you're not wearing socks
04:29 <luke-jr_> so it can't generate static electricity needed to keep IRC online
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04:29 <luke-jr_> it means you're not wearing socks
04:29 <luke-jr_> so it can't generate static electricity needed to keep IRC online
04:29 <mkzelda> wb
04:29 <luke-jr_> Fonkay: play Freeciv with us
04:29 <Fonkay> freeciv?
04:29 <luke-jr_> yes
04:29 <Fonkay> what's i+ mean?
04:29 <Fonkay> it doesn't seem to like that
04:30 <luke-jr_> wtf is i+
04:30 <mkzelda> invisible
04:30 <Fonkay> the + it says it doesn't like
04:30 <luke-jr_> ooh I wanna be invisible
04:30 <Your_mom_arm1> post the error?
04:31 <Fonkay> which one?
04:31 <Your_mom_arm1> meabey its the irc client
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's because you're using winsocks
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> microsoft can't even make good socks
04:32 <Fonkay> debug:qIRC 1 buffer failed:'error reading "sock372":socket is not connected
04:33 <luke-jr_> eww, windows socks now?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> we've had winsocks since at least win98 :/
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> socket is a network connection, Fonkay 
04:33 <luke-jr_> =p
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically a connection from one program to another using the network system in the kernel
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> a socket doesn't have a protocol, the application has to provide that
04:34 <luke-jr_> um
04:34 <luke-jr_> sure it does
04:34 <luke-jr_> applications don't implement TCP let alone IP or Ethernet
04:35 <Fonkay> Error:can't use empty string as operand of "+"
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> what irc client are you using?
04:35 <Fonkay> uh sav?
04:35 <Fonkay> i think
04:35 <Fonkay> whatever that mean
04:35 <Fonkay> s
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: there are other libraries, and it also depends on the kernel.  :)  Some kernels give IP at least, and I think but don't know for sure that some kernels also offer TCP or UDP
04:36 <Fonkay> i think it's undernet that's the problem.. or so it would seem
04:36 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the point being that a socket needs a protocol
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> I think but don't know that Linux offers up to TCP/UDP/Unix domain sockets to a socket, and then the application just reads it like a regular file
04:37 <Fonkay> ok, lemme reconnect one more time
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04:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, windows 95 had sockets without protocols, which was why third party developers like nutscrape had to offer protocol support themselves
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, doesn't matter, it looks like Fonkay has a broke-dick irc client
04:38  * GodTodd remembers configuring Trumpet Winsock :/
04:38 <luke-jr_> pretty sure Win95 had TCP/IP at least
04:38 <luke-jr_> Trumpet Winsock was 3.1
04:39 <GodTodd> i know it was
04:39 <GodTodd> and was 3.11 in my case :P
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, microsoft put out an update to win95 that offered and IP stack, iirc, but the first win95 didn't because Microsoft completely missed the internet
04:39 <mkzelda> windows for workgroups
04:39 <GodTodd> yep
04:40 <mkzelda> there was a win95a,b,c
04:40 <GodTodd> was on my 386/16 with the massive 60 MB HDD
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, you had 60MB?
04:41 <GodTodd> yep
04:41 <GodTodd> i was da shit
04:41 <GodTodd> heh
04:41  * Lucifer_arma was so excited when he got a 40MB hd for his amiga 500
04:41 <mkzelda> i remember my 20mb scsi drive on my 286 being the shit
04:41 <GodTodd> tape backup too
04:41 <mkzelda> 8mhz w/ the boost button
04:41 <GodTodd> and i splurged and bumped it to a 14.4 modem
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> and then all I did with that amiga was play civ1, heh
04:41 <mkzelda> made it 12
04:42  * Lucifer_arma only used obsolete computers from 1994->2001
04:43 <GodTodd> back before the web became all graphical and full of sinful sex
04:43 <GodTodd> heh
04:43 <Your_mom_arm1> anyone want to play freeciv now?
04:44 <spidey> um
04:44 <spidey> in a minute
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've gotta wait for my wife to get home and see what she's going to do, and then I can probably only play for a few hours anyway
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some work I need to do tonight
04:45 <GodTodd> work?
04:45 <GodTodd> psh
04:45 <GodTodd> heh
04:45 <luke-jr_> wow, you got a whole 20 MB?
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04:46 <Fonkay> ok
04:46 <Fonkay> so far so good
04:46 <luke-jr_> ...
04:46 <Fonkay> nothing's malfunctioned yet
04:47 <spidey> ewwwwwwwwww
04:47 <spidey> it's her
04:47 <spidey> :p
04:47 <Fonkay> evil
04:48 <spidey> sup d00d
04:48 <Fonkay> all seems to be fine... and I changed nothing, so.. who knows.
04:48 <Fonkay> not much
04:48 <luke-jr_> Freeciv
04:48 <Fonkay> last night before heading into the woods again
04:48 <spidey> o.O
04:48 <Fonkay> what's freeciv?
04:49 <Your_mom_arm1> the worst game in the world
04:49 <spidey> hahaha
04:49 <Fonkay> good slogan
04:49 <spidey> to bad we're addicted
04:49 <Fonkay> how would one play said game?
04:49 <spidey> you don't want to
04:49 <Your_mom_arm1> i just want to not be completly demolished by people who have never played the game before
04:50 <spidey> you'll be like us playing 16+ hours straight each day
04:50 <spidey> -_-
04:50 <luke-jr_> that's only 1 game...
04:50 <Fonkay> i wont have to the internet come tomorrow.. so all if fine
04:50 <Your_mom_arm1> thats only because one game takes that long
04:50 <Fonkay> is* fine
04:50 <spidey> ya
04:50 <spidey> lol
04:50 <spidey> actually
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you don't really want to start freeciv
04:51 <spidey> me and luci played 16 hours and still wasn't done
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> I feel like the coke fiend telling his friends not to do coke
04:51 <spidey> haha
04:51 <Fonkay> well, i have at least an hour to kill before my dog will settle down, so what to do?
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> if that's all you have available, you should play arma :)
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> but if you have 6-8 hours...
04:51 <Fonkay> ugh, no one good plays anymore
04:52 <spidey> lmao
04:52 <Your_mom_arm1> #roulette
04:52 <armabot> Your_mom_arm1: *click*
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's 'cause we're all playing freeciv :)
04:52 <spidey> i wonder why i have 2 tron servers but don't even play tron that much
04:52 <spidey> -_-
04:52 <Your_mom_arm1> because you dont have anything else to use your server for
04:52 <spidey> not to mention a soldat server some asshole crashed and won't start up again
04:52 <spidey> no matter what
04:53 <GodTodd> sorry bout that :/
04:53 <spidey> i mean i've tried everything -_-
04:53 <spidey> nohup
04:53 <spidey> normal start
04:53 <spidey> chown'd it 
04:53 <spidey> it starts, but it doesn't function :/
04:54 <Your_mom_arm1> i'll play arma. pick a server
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm still beating around waiting for my wife, then I'm hoping to get some guys together to restore last night's save game
04:56 <luke-jr_> spidey: ...
04:56 <spidey> luke-jr_, ...
04:56 <Fonkay> god damn storm
04:56 <Fonkay> I probably shouldn't be on my computer
04:56 <spidey> luke-jr_ ssh the webserver and cd public_html/soldat
04:57 <spidey> try to start the server
04:57 <spidey> it'll say it's started ,but you can't connect to it via remote admin client or the game itself
04:57 <spidey> he used some exploit -_-
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04:57 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: better than waiting around beating your wife :)
04:57 <spidey> lol
04:57 <luke-jr_> spidey: I don't know how
04:58 <spidey> ?
04:58 <luke-jr_> spidey: complain that it's buggy and we need to patch to fix it
04:58 <GodTodd> omfg...............
04:58 <spidey> luke-jr_ he's not coming off the source
04:58 <spidey> like i said 
04:58 <spidey> 2 things
04:58 <spidey> 1) he thinks i'm a idiot
04:58 <spidey> 2) or he's a idiot
04:58 <luke-jr_> spidey: like I said, forward me the email as an attachment
04:58 <spidey> i did!
04:58 <luke-jr_> no
04:58 <spidey> check your email
04:58 <spidey> along time ago
04:59 <luke-jr_> from what email?
04:59 <spidey> my hotmail....
04:59 <luke-jr_> ...
04:59 <spidey> it'll show up as my name
04:59 <spidey> not the email :p
04:59 <luke-jr_> nothing under spidey
04:59 <spidey> i know
04:59 <spidey> look for P.J.
05:00 <Your_mom_arm1> pajamas
05:00 <spidey> -_-
05:00 <Fonkay> ok, so anyone gonna play arma then?
05:00 <Your_mom_arm1> okay
05:00 <spidey> depends
05:00 <Fonkay> where at?
05:00 <spidey> i would say ct fortress but it's laggy as shit
05:00 <spidey> shrunkland? :D
05:00 <Fonkay> it's slim pickin's these days
05:01 <Your_mom_arm1> i dont care, you pick
05:01 <spidey> or could start one in my fortress server :p
05:01 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players
05:01 <Fonkay> i'd say shrunk... but it's probably crawling with trolls this timeof night
05:01 <spidey> there's someone there
05:02 <Your_mom_arm1> styball if you dont hate it
05:02 <spidey> lol
05:02 <Fonkay> more like suck at it
05:02 <luke-jr_> no P.J. anywhere
05:02 <spidey> -_-
05:02 <Your_mom_arm1> i've played in there and had people join say it sucks then leave
05:02 <spidey> xlllspiderlllx@hotmail.com  ??
05:03 <Fonkay> it's not all that bad.. needs some fixing though
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> stonehenge hide and seek?
05:04 <Fonkay> what?
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> the server
05:04 <Fonkay> that's a server?
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> yeah
05:05 <Fonkay> didn't know it existed
05:05 <Your_mom_arm1> its wrtls server
05:05 <Fonkay> well, i'm up for anything at this point
05:05 <luke-jr_> ...
05:05 <Fonkay> watching a dog pant isn't thrilling
05:06 <Fonkay> stupid snickers
05:06 <DrJoeTron> shut up smelly
05:06 <spidey> if you live near tall weeds don't let your dogs run
05:06 <Fonkay> :D
05:06 <spidey> you should have seen one of my labs this morning
05:06 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
05:06 <luke-jr_> I'll play stonehenge
05:06 <spidey> he got a grass seed in his eye, it looked like someone poked it out
05:06 <Fonkay> i'll play it if i can find it
05:06 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i are finishing off FMA
05:07 <DrJoeTron> and im off!
05:07 <Your_mom_arm1> fma?
05:07 <luke-jr_> lame
05:07 <spidey> gay
05:07 <Fonkay> double lame
05:07 <luke-jr_> Full Metal Alchemist?
05:07 <spidey> luke-jr_ lets play freeciv
05:07 <Fonkay> no
05:07 <luke-jr_> spidey: why do you go to Spam?
05:07 <Fonkay> let's play arma
05:07 <spidey> luke-jr_ i always do
05:08 <Your_mom_arm1> already in arma
05:08 <spidey> don't know why though
05:08 <spidey> :/
05:08 <luke-jr_> spidey: I can tell you why
05:08 <spidey> ?
05:08 <luke-jr_> if your message ever loads
05:08 <luke-jr_> too much spam to sift through
05:08 <spidey> ....
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Combat#Combat_Mechanics  <--- list of combat modiers
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> spidey goes to spam because he writes quite naturally like a spammer trying to get around a bayesian filter
05:09 <luke-jr_> lol
05:09 <spidey> o.o
05:09 <spidey> Lucifer_arma so...with a sdi and a sam it's 4times the defense??
05:09 <luke-jr_> 	*  3.5 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
05:09 <spidey> holy shit
05:10 <spidey> i thought it was only 3 times, hell i'd knocked out every air unit you sent at me :p
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> apparently
05:10 <luke-jr_> 	*  0.2 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't know sam actually worked against missiles, but that explains the trouble I had with the last few african cities
05:10 <luke-jr_> 	*  1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST RBL: Envelope sender in
05:11 <spidey> hmm
05:11 <luke-jr_> 	*  0.0 MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER Message-Id was added by a relay
05:11 <luke-jr_> 	*  0.3 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
05:11 <spidey> i got a idea now
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I also didn't know pikemen were so useful against mounted units
05:11 <spidey> i'ma put a AEGIS cruiser and a SAM battery in every city for now on
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I should have expected it, though, heh
05:11 <spidey> i'll have x7 defense
05:11 <spidey> maybe even a SDI for x9
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> against air, sure :)
05:11 <luke-jr_> spidey: translation...
05:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma ground troops are for the land invasion :)
05:11 <luke-jr_> 1. you write like spammers do
05:11 <luke-jr_> 2. your mail host SUCKS
05:12 <luke-jr_> 1+2 = spam
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> 3.  luke-jr_ quit spamming us, please
05:12 <spidey> luke-jr_, oh well
05:12 <spidey> hahahaha
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> 4.  Use pastebins
05:12 <luke-jr_> by "SUCKS" I mean, acts like a spam host
05:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma tell your wife to hurry up and get home so we can play :p
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> it probably is a spam host
05:12 <spidey> it's hotmail...
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> she went to take her mother back to her hotel room
05:12 <spidey> msn
05:12 <luke-jr_> Spidey, that is not forwarded as an attachment
05:13 <spidey> it is
05:13 <luke-jr_> that is a text/plain attachment with only content
05:13 <spidey> oh well
05:13 <luke-jr_> forward the message itself
05:13 <spidey> why!?!?!?!?!
05:13 <luke-jr_> so I can reply to it
05:13 <luke-jr_> duh
05:13 <spidey> i gave you the email -_-
05:13 <spidey> and i posted the message
05:13 <luke-jr_> so?
05:13 <luke-jr_> that doesn't include the message ID
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_'s really going to be able to convince the soldat guy to release the source
05:14 <spidey> i doubt it
05:14 <luke-jr_> either that or flame him
05:14 <luke-jr_> maybe not flame, but annoy
05:14 <spidey> he'll probably through the rest of your emails in the spam bin
05:14 <luke-jr_> that won't work too well
05:15 <luke-jr_> put non-spam in a spam bin and you'll get false positives
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> depends on the spam bin
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> mine's just a folder in kmail, the server does the filtering for me
05:19 <Fonkay> damn instants
05:19 <Your_mom_arm1> heh
05:19 <Fonkay> I'm banned for 4 mins for forgetting to hit the chat key
05:20 <Fonkay> that's what i get for setting instants to letters i gues
05:21 <Fonkay> good news is the storm seems to be almost over
05:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no baysean education?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, Women's Suffrage counts as a police station in every city
05:29 <GodTodd> yep
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I read that and immediately thought of that feminist who went on her campaign against alcoholism and got people together with baseball bats and crap and went and tore up bars
05:34 <GodTodd> molly hatchett wasn't it?
05:34 <GodTodd> the birth of the speakeasy
05:38 <Your_mom_arm1> ban something by law and creat more underground crime
05:40 <Fonkay> night
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05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Terrain#Terrain_Catalog <--- check defense bonuses
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the defenders have all the advantages in this japan map
05:43 <luke-jr_> ?
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think the right strategy to work the invasion is to send in knights to pillage the terrain and occupy the squares, draw out the combat units from the cities, then defeat them
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> in the best terrain we can get them in
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> move in pikemen and stuff to fortify the hills, mountains, and forests around each city
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we're on musketeers now, but I still have a lot of pikemen in the field
05:47 <Vanhayes> all my troops are up yo date
05:47 <Vanhayes> to*
05:48 <spidey> fuck knows what i got
05:48  * spidey will never take a nation controled by tna
05:48 <Vanhayes> Im thinking im going to build enough knights, muskets, and catapults to seige a town then 5 or 6 diplomats to try and take it over or sabatage it
05:49 <Vanhayes> and if the diplomats fail ill still have enough to take it over anyway
05:50 <spidey> you know
05:50 <spidey> a cannon will beat a howitzer?
05:51 <spidey> i beat serveral elite howitzers with vets and harden cannons
05:51 <spidey> plus i killed a stealth fighter with a musket
05:51 <spidey> heh
05:54 <luke-jr_> are we gonna play?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> few more minutes
05:56 <luke-jr_> -.-
05:58 <Vanhayes> hmm it seems I was using the smallpox tactic without realizing it
06:00 <Your_mom_arm1> smallpox and largepox are wierd names for stratagy
06:01 <Your_mom_arm1> first time i saw it i thought the game had virus outbreaks that needed curing
06:02 <luke-jr_> lol
06:02 <luke-jr_> me too
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> not quite
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> smallpox is putting cities with only 1 square between them
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> largepox maybe, because that's still cities too close to each other, but farther apart than that
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> we're going against smallpox on the islands the spanish have settled, and the only way to get decent cities out of it is to destroy quite a few in the attack
06:03 <Your_mom_arm1> i also have a hard time navigating thru the documentation on there wiki that may just be me though
06:04 <Your_mom_arm1> their
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> as long as you only read the game manual, I don't have any problems, but once I want to know about other things, it gets tricky
06:05 <spidey> hmm
06:05 <spidey> give nick to Your_mom_arm1 or GodTodd
06:05 <spidey> i'm to tired to stay up
06:05 <spidey> :(
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  I'm a go brush my teeth, then I'll probably be about ready to start
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> or at least ready to start mustering players ;)
06:06 <Vanhayes> ya GodTodd got wiped out by the spainards
06:06 <spidey> #night
06:06 <armabot> Good night spidey!
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ready.  who wants to play?
06:17 <Your_mom_arm1> i'll play,not sure how long i'll stay up though
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: Vanhayes GodTodd ?
06:18 <Vanhayes> ya ill play
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> the problem here is that there's only really one extra civilization that Titnass started and then left
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> since GodTodd's got destroyed by the spaniards, if he wants to play we kinda need to give him Titnass's
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> if he doesn't, then we can give it to you, Your_mom_arm1 :)
06:18 <Your_mom_arm1> no argument here
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> it would probably throw the whole game off if you took over one of the original AI civs
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> but if we can't get luke-jr_ to play, we should start a new game anyway :)
06:20 <Your_mom_arm1> i need a freeciv cheat sheet
06:20 <Your_mom_arm1> clifnote page i mean
06:21 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
06:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> haven't started the server yet
06:21 <Vanhayes> just getting the hodt
06:21 <Vanhayes> host*
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Detailed_strategy_guide_for_diplomacy_version   <--- I read this right before we played that other game on the world map
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: luke-jr_ ?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I started the server, you can connect to it, but if these guys don't show up we'll have to restart and play a new game :)
06:28 <Vanhayes> fine by me
06:29 <Vanhayes> does it load the settings we were using?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> wel, it's a save game, so it starts where we left off
06:29 <Vanhayes> ok
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it might not load the settings we were using, but most of what we were using is obsolete at this point
06:30 <Vanhayes> well the fortress vision is what I care about most
06:30 <luke-jr_> what
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> game?
06:30 <Vanhayes> are you playing?
06:30 <luke-jr_> play a new one, I'm playing local cuz u took so long =p
06:31 <luke-jr_> <.<
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> you can't save it off and join?
06:31 <Vanhayes> well... you can save local
06:31 <luke-jr_> =p
06:31 <luke-jr_> but I'm doing *good* in this one
06:31 <Vanhayes> well... you can save local
06:31 <luke-jr_> everyone's asking me for alliances
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's what save games are for
06:31 <luke-jr_> lol
06:31 <luke-jr_> yea, but I'll forget what I was doing
06:32 <luke-jr_> >.>
06:32 <Vanhayes> they always ask for alliances, then they want to attack one of your other alliances
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> they also do it to get your trust, then they prepare to attack you
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I couldn't leave Nick as an unconquered ai, alliance or no :(
06:32 <Vanhayes> yup, the ai will win luke
06:32 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: I'm refusing the alliances
06:33 <Vanhayes> they will either take you out or gett more points
06:33 <luke-jr_> and they're dying off one by one
06:33 <luke-jr_> I have the great library too
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, if luke-jr_ doesn't want to join, and GodTodd hasn't appeared yet, we can remove Nick completely and let your_mom take over luke
06:33 <luke-jr_> aww wtf
06:33 <luke-jr_> it just suddenly lost connection to server
06:34 <Vanhayes> to a local game?
06:34 <luke-jr_> yes
06:34 <luke-jr_> go figure =p
06:34 <Vanhayes> lol
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> local game is still a server, the client just starts the civserver binary is all
06:35 <luke-jr_> still doesn't explain the loss
06:35 <luke-jr_> hm
06:35 <luke-jr_> wonder if I can tell the server to save
06:35 <luke-jr_> =p
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the client handles that stuff for you
06:35 <luke-jr_> now go play
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you lost connection it could be that the server crashed
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you coming?
06:36 <luke-jr_> I'm there
06:42 <Your_mom_arm1> bah
06:42 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv crashed
06:46 <luke-jr_> don't use Windows :)
06:51 <Your_mom_arm1> dont use freeciv?
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07:12 <DrJoeTron> I like Your_mom_arm1's idea better
07:12 <DrJoeTron> yo mom, that free opensource game doesnt work
07:13 <DrJoeTron> better reformat
07:13 <DrJoeTron> and youse linux dooood
07:15 <luke-jr_> I'm sure it's Windows' fault ;)
07:15 <DrJoeTron> of course
07:16 <DrJoeTron> because an open source program would NEVER crash
07:16 <DrJoeTron> hey speaking of
07:16 <DrJoeTron> who wants to play arma!?
07:17 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:17 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: note it only crashes on Windows ;)
07:17 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
07:18 <DrJoeTron> i remember audrey having troubles with his APPLE COMPUTER
07:18 <DrJoeTron> with arma
07:18 <Your_mom_arm1> becuse the developers cant write for the operating system that everyone uses
07:19 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: arma != freeciv
07:19 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: s/everyone/losers
07:20 <Your_mom_arm1> i like the way you think better
07:21 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:22 <DrJoeTron> wow
07:22 <DrJoeTron> now that im depressed as fuck
07:22 <Your_mom_arm1> lets concentrate on the operating system 10% of the population uses and the 10% of those who will use our application
07:22 <DrJoeTron> after watching fma
07:22 <DrJoeTron> exactly
07:22 <DrJoeTron> i wont bug you linux nerds
07:22 <DrJoeTron> or that pachouli stinkin mac nerds
07:22 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:23 <DrJoeTron> and il stick with my clunky windows
07:23 <DrJoeTron> it aint the prettiest girl on the block
07:23 <DrJoeTron> but she'll knock your socks off
07:23 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
07:23 <DrJoeTron> fear is almost done
07:23 <Your_mom_arm1> fma?
07:23 <DrJoeTron> 1minute left
07:24 <DrJoeTron> full metal alchemist
07:24 <DrJoeTron> gomes never saw it, so i had to show him it
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07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> joe wait for the seeds to drop out at 99.9 percent
07:24 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> did they release the movie yet?
07:25 <DrJoeTron> i dont think yet
07:25 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for it
07:25 <DrJoeTron> oh look fma is on now
07:25 <DrJoeTron> its been out but not dubbed
07:25 <DrJoeTron> i needs dubbed
07:25 <luke-jr_> dubs SUCKS
07:25 <luke-jr_> SUCK*
07:26  * DrJoeTron doesnt give a shit
07:26 <Your_mom_arm1> i missed some episodes after fma killed greed
07:26 <DrJoeTron> dubs showed the truth!
07:26 <DrJoeTron> you know what dubs showed?
07:26 <luke-jr_> dubs are crappy copyoffs
07:26 <DrJoeTron> that Advent children fucking sucked
07:26 <luke-jr_> rofl
07:26 <DrJoeTron> my god that was horrible
07:26 <luke-jr_> Advent children was at least decent
07:27 <DrJoeTron> no
07:27 <DrJoeTron> i mean
07:27 <luke-jr_> but if you saw a dub/copyoff of it, of course it sucked
07:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:27 <DrJoeTron> pretty
07:27 <DrJoeTron> but still
07:27 <DrJoeTron> fucking worst thing ever
07:27 <luke-jr_> the real movie wasn't
07:28 <DrJoeTron> its the real movie
07:28 <DrJoeTron> its shitty
07:28 <DrJoeTron> even subtitles
07:28 <DrJoeTron> it was a shitty plot
07:28 <DrJoeTron> come on the "hoist cloud up a thousand times"
07:29 <DrJoeTron> you cant blame dubbing on that jack assery
07:31 <luke-jr_> yes you can
07:31 <luke-jr_> look at Cardcaptors
07:31 <luke-jr_> or Sailor Moon
07:31 <luke-jr_> total garbage
07:31 <DrJoeTron> and advent children
07:32 <DrJoeTron> im going to be right
07:32 <DrJoeTron> not matter what you do
07:32 <luke-jr_> dunno, haven't compared it
07:32 <DrJoeTron> advent children sucked
07:32 <luke-jr_> but dubs always suck some
07:32 <DrJoeTron> it was like a horrible fanfiction 
07:33 <DrJoeTron> most dubbings are shit
07:33 <DrJoeTron> some i liked
07:33 <DrJoeTron> cowboy bebop i enjoyed
07:33 <DrJoeTron> and fma was good
07:35 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: why are you invisible on Talk?
07:37 <DrJoeTron> alright
07:37 <DrJoeTron> gonna try fear
07:37 <Your_mom_arm1> invisable?
07:39 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:39 <DrJoeTron> should probably defrag
07:40 <DrJoeTron> oooh yeah
07:40 <DrJoeTron> it needs it
07:40 <DrJoeTron> forgot ive been playing bf2
07:44 <luke-jr_> lol defrag
07:44 <luke-jr_> windozeluser =p
07:45 <luke-jr_> Windows-- the only OS where you need to defrag stuff =p
07:46 <DrJoeTron> i told you
07:46 <DrJoeTron> dont start linux nerd
07:48 <DrJoeTron> man fear is just cluttered
07:52 <DrJoeTron> man i want fortress forever to be done!
07:53 <Your_mom_arm1> hit alt f4 for cheat
07:53 <Your_mom_arm1> install linux
07:54 <DrJoeTron> jaa noob
07:55 <DrJoeTron> 1i|\|u>< pwnxx0rs rofl
07:55 <DrJoeTron> winblow$ n00|3
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08:27 <DrJoeTron> well
08:27 <DrJoeTron> if that wasnt just a free generic fps
08:28 <DrJoeTron> dont know what is
08:32 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
09:26 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:26 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Smoking is the leading cause of statistics.
09:26 <wrtlprnft> lol
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10:24 <luke-jr_> hey idlers
10:24 <luke-jr_> we need a players
10:24 <luke-jr_> player
10:24 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you
10:24 <luke-jr_> play
10:24 <wrtlprnft> play what?
10:24 <luke-jr_> Freeciv
10:25 <wrtlprnft> an AI will do better than me
10:25 <luke-jr_> except an AI will turn on us
10:25 <wrtlprnft> who says i won't?
10:25 <luke-jr_> you can't do much worse than mom
10:25 <luke-jr_> you won't
10:25 <luke-jr_> you'd be wiped out too easy
10:26 <wrtlprnft> so then you're gonna turn on me?
10:26 <luke-jr_> no
10:26 <luke-jr_> if all players left are allied, the game is over
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if all players left are allied yadayada, so no reason to turn on each other
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> just join the alliance, play the best you can, and let the points fall where they may
10:27 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i'm busy right now :(
10:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe in an hour or so
10:27 <wrtlprnft> if the AI doesn't wipe you all out in the meantime
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, more like if we don't wipe hiim out :)
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> we've got the upper hand right now
10:28 <luke-jr_> the game will hopefully be over within the hour
10:28 <wrtlprnft> then kill him :)
10:29 <luke-jr_> we are
10:29 <luke-jr_> both of em
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
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11:23 <Lucifer_arma> diplpenalty is an interesting way to equalize alliances
12:00 <spidey> -_-
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12:11 <spidey> grrrr
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> why do you have to build the apollo program to start the space race?  Why isn't it the sputnik program?
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> Apollo went to the moon and was part of the race started by Sputnik...
12:11 <spidey> lol
12:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma playing a game?
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, about to go to bed
12:15 <spidey> pussy :p
12:15 <spidey> man
12:15 <spidey> i'ma fail science
12:15 <spidey> oh well, not completing next years
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12:22 <Vanhayes> #morning
12:22 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes Random Fortune: You canna change the laws of physics, Captain; I've got to have thirty minutes!
12:22 <spidey> #night
12:22 <armabot> Good night spidey!
12:22 <Vanhayes> night?
12:22 <spidey> :p
12:23 <Vanhayes> didnt you go to sleep hors ago?
12:23 <Vanhayes> hours*
12:23 <spidey> ya
12:23 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_  how did that game go?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> we cut it off, but it's going well
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> I"ve got conscription now, working on espionage or just got it, with combustion as my next goal
12:25 <Vanhayes> I got disconnected and when it didnt comeback after 10 minutes I turned my comp off and went to bed for a couple hours
12:25 <Vanhayes> how long after I left did you guys play for?
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> only an hour, maybe less, not sure
12:26 <Vanhayes> ok good, hope my ai didnt do anything bad
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want to play too long while an ai controlled you, but it's the away ai, so it didn't turn on us or anything
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like it kept fighting, no idea if it screwed up your productions, heh
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> I took over for you for a turn on luke's request to take a portuguese city
12:27 <Vanhayes> ya I was about to take 2 of them
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke hammered it, then wanted you to finish, so I took over for you.  Lost a few more cannons though.
12:27 <spidey> i'm going to play a local game, unless Vanhayes wants to play one ;x
12:28 <Vanhayes> ya probly
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I got communism, don't know if you were there when I did
12:28 <Vanhayes> nah
12:28 <spidey> dude
12:28 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
12:28 <Vanhayes> you said you were getting it
12:28 <spidey> fuck commy now
12:28 <Vanhayes> ?
12:28 <spidey> figure out how to turn fundamentlism on
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm way out of the hole with techs and churning them out pretty quickly.  It would be nice if one of you guys would take over navy for me so I can go to democracy for awhile and get all the modern techs
12:28 <spidey> i was playing on another server that had it
12:29 <spidey> fundamentlism = money out the ass and good for troop
12:29 <spidey> troops
12:29 <Vanhayes> I could probly take navy if I got that porugese city I was going for, or at least one of them
12:29 <Vanhayes> spidey: its probly in a mod pack
12:30 <GodTodd> it's in the civ2 ruleset
12:31 <spidey> sure is
12:31 <spidey> flags       = "No_Unhappy_Citizens", "Convert_Tithes_To_Money", 
12:31 <spidey>               "Reduced_Research", "Fanatic_Troops"
12:31 <spidey> though it does suck for science
12:31 <spidey> heh
12:31 <spidey> good for war though
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to have bombers and tanks to throw at the spanish when I start campaigning against them
12:31 <GodTodd> i always use fundy for my government when warring in civ2
12:32 <spidey> same
12:32 <Vanhayes> havent played civ2
12:32 <GodTodd> and by then i'm usually at future tech 5 or so so the reduced tech doesn't bother me ;)
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to outpace the spanish for technology, too, so hopefully the delay won't kill us
12:32 <Vanhayes> have civ3 though, cant remember when i downloaded that one
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  well, I'd go to democracy now, but all the ironclads will screw me
12:33 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't like civ3 as much...tho i haven't played it much either heh
12:33 <Vanhayes> well the portugese are basically done
12:33 <spidey> GodTodd i haven't played civ3 once
12:33 <spidey> i think i'ma download it
12:33 <GodTodd> my ex bought it...i stole it after she left
12:34 <GodTodd> :)
12:34 <Vanhayes> lol
12:34 <spidey> hahaha
12:34 <Vanhayes> I downloaded it a long time ago, I remember it was quick
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> I could go to democracy and provide transports
12:34 <spidey> speaking of ex, 
12:34 <spidey> melanie: Pj you here?
12:34 <spidey> melanie: Wake your bitch ass up 
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if I'm not in bed in the next half hour, I'm not getting to sleep until well after the sun comes up
12:34 <spidey> wtf!
12:34 <spidey> -_-
12:36 <Vanhayes> hmm I like the look of the new beta for freeciv but it is way too slow for me
12:36 <spidey> they got some serious problems to workout
12:36 <spidey> me and mom crash all the time
12:36 <Vanhayes> well I crash quite abit too
12:36 <Vanhayes> with the stable right?
12:36 <spidey> ya
12:37 <Vanhayes> ya same here then
12:37 <spidey> i told the devs when i was playing a game with them
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> mine never crashes
12:37 <spidey> because it crashed then
12:37 <spidey> they just said "lol"
12:37 <Vanhayes> the beta makes it way too slow to play with more than 10 units per person
12:37 <Vanhayes> how did you know they were devs?
12:38 <spidey> book
12:38 <spidey> gn
12:38 <spidey> yaros
12:38 <spidey> andrew(acts like tna's imposter)
12:38 <spidey> etc
12:39 <spidey> plus they where talking about putting there patches in svn, i don't think anyone besides devs have access do they?
12:39 <spidey> and fixing bugs in there part..
12:39 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Special:People well there is the huge list of people
12:41 <spidey> doesn't tell the names they use in the game O.o
12:41 <spidey> #  Philip Patterson : booktinker_at_gmail.com 
12:41 <spidey> i'm guessing that's book
12:56 <GodTodd> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Introduction_to_Freeciv#Winning_strategy  I'ma try a local game with that blueprint and see if it works ;)
12:56 <Vanhayes> is that the smallpox one?
12:56 <GodTodd> nope
12:56 <spidey> ?
12:58 <spidey> cpu usage setting at 30% and i don't know why
12:58 <Vanhayes> meh I dont really want to follow set pattern or stategy, that takes alot of the fun out of it
13:00 <spidey> i follow a set patter
13:00 <spidey> 1
13:00 <spidey> make 10-12 cities
13:00 <spidey> 2
13:00 <spidey> make sure they're in a good spot for trade/science
13:00 <GodTodd> defend them
13:00 <spidey> 3 make city walls in all of them
13:00 <spidey> 4 research gunpowder and put muskets in all of them
13:01 <spidey> then i research republic and rapture, then i build  a barracks and disban my old units and rebuild them
13:01 <spidey> so they're vet's
13:01 <spidey> then i just go with it from there
13:01 <GodTodd> hmmm....i'm not sure how i got into a local game with 12 ais
13:02 <GodTodd> :/
13:02 <Vanhayes> what exactaly does rapture do?
13:02 <spidey> makes cities grow extremely fast
13:02 <spidey> by 1000bc i can have a few cities at size 8
13:02 <spidey> rapture works best in democracy though
13:03 <spidey> though it's expensive to keep a government in republic after most of them reach size 8
13:03 <spidey> that's about the time i'm ready for war
13:04 <spidey> i don't just build my cities anywhere and really close, i keep the 4 tiles away from eachother and in good spots
13:04 <spidey> each city uses 2tiles in everydirection :/
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it can use 2 tiles in every direction
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it needs to be pretty big to use all of them
13:05 <spidey> yea
13:05 <spidey> i don't let mine get over 15
13:05 <spidey> but i like 8 better
13:06 <Vanhayes> well at first I was using something close to smallpox which got me at least 100 points ahead of anyone else but that got boring
13:06 <spidey> pots doesn't matter
13:06 <spidey> points doesn't matter
13:06 <Vanhayes> so now its just building a good amount
13:06 <Vanhayes> points win if you arent dead
13:06 <spidey> if you can't defend all the cities you got, then you're gonna get owned
13:07 <Vanhayes> plus it gets you science and prod up very fast
13:07 <spidey> i like to dig in really deep and let everyone come attack me :)
13:07 <Vanhayes> so spidey wrtlprnft GodTodd luke-jr_ Lucifer_arma  want to play?
13:07 <spidey> like i said
13:07 <spidey> if you can't defend it, it's worthless
13:07 <Vanhayes> the last two probly not
13:07 <Vanhayes> not really
13:08 <spidey> and if you're using all your production on offensive units
13:08 <GodTodd> i would but i have to drop a rugrat at school in an hour or so
13:08 <Vanhayes> ah ok
13:08 <spidey> all someone has to do is make a small invasion unit and take you over
13:08 <Vanhayes> spidey: take over 60 some?
13:08 <spidey> assuming you have 60 some
13:08 <spidey> but
13:08 <spidey> when you lose a city
13:08 <Vanhayes> that is what smallpox is
13:08 <spidey> all the units it produced are no more
13:08 <Vanhayes> 60 is low for smallpox
13:09 <spidey> not even if you regain it
13:09 <spidey> your tatics are sloppy
13:09 <Vanhayes> well small pox is what most people actually use
13:09 <spidey> you don't really apply to defense first
13:09 <Vanhayes> I dont use it anymore it was too boring
13:09 <Vanhayes> wasnt very fun
13:10 <GodTodd> how you use smallpox?
13:10 <spidey> so, if somoone your attacking manages to get a few combat units out and headed your way, your skrewed unless you can take all there cities before they get to you
13:10 <Vanhayes> make every city you have make setlers and dont let them grow above 2-3
13:10 <GodTodd> hmmm
13:10 <spidey> ugh
13:11 <Vanhayes> and space thme 1 or 2 spaces apart
13:11 <spidey> production and science isn't high  at 2-3
13:11 <Vanhayes> 2-3 times at least 60
13:11 <spidey> you'll get maybe 12 science points per city or 4-5 production
13:11 <Vanhayes> times 60
13:11 <spidey> so
13:11 <Vanhayes> #g 12*60
13:11 <armabot> 12 * 60 = 720
13:12 <Vanhayes> small pox is all about taking people out fast
13:12 <spidey> by the time you defend the cities there won't be enough sheilds left for offensive units
13:12 <Vanhayes> you dont defend
13:12 <spidey> then you lose
13:12 <Vanhayes> and if someone takes the city it doesnt matter cause it is more of a burden on them
13:12 <GodTodd> not if you take them out before they defend
13:13 <Vanhayes> but unlees you are doing the same thing you cant have more prod/science than them
13:13 <spidey> GodTodd, my main priority is defense :)
13:13 <Vanhayes> well its apparently what everyone does on real server games, which sounds very boring
13:13 <wrtlprnft> nothing's better than a city with 70 production :P
13:14 <Vanhayes> 30 with 5?
13:14 <spidey> no
13:14 <wrtlprnft> transform all land around the city to hills with mines and grassland with farms
13:14 <spidey> because a few cities with high production can spit out more in a few turns
13:15 <Vanhayes> than 60 can??
13:15 <Vanhayes> 60 being the lowest
13:15 <wrtlprnft> grassland with farm and road = 4 food, 2 trade
13:15 <Vanhayes> usually like 150-200
13:15 <wrtlprnft> hills with mine and rail = 4 shield, 1 food
13:18 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma  --with dave
13:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
13:19 <Vanhayes> so wrtlprnft spidey want to play a game?
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, 60 cities can spit out 60 units, but it takes a loooong time to build them
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> and they'll usually not be veteran units because no time to build barracks, and the upkeep would kill you anyway
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> #night
13:20 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
13:20 <Vanhayes> well anyway it seems that there is a debate between the two strategys
13:20 <Vanhayes> smallpox and largepox
13:23 <Vanhayes> so wrtlprnft spidey want to play a game?
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13:29 <spidey> ..
13:29 <spidey> ya
13:29 <spidey> had to put this cream thing the vet gave me for one of my dogs eye in it
13:29 <spidey> and feed them
13:30 <spidey> well
13:30 <spidey> i'm mediumpx
13:30 <spidey> :p
13:30 <spidey> i like to keep my cities at size 8
13:30 <spidey> that's about medium
13:31 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: sorry, no
13:31 <spidey> though if there's large production involved, sometimes i will let one grow above 8
13:31 <wrtlprnft> those games just take to long
13:31 <wrtlprnft> *too
13:31 <spidey> lol
13:31 <Vanhayes> hmm thats true
13:31 <Vanhayes> actualy nvrm ill play later, cant commit the time atm
13:32 <wrtlprnft> well, i can always bail out of an arma game if i need to
13:32 <spidey> -_-
13:32 <wrtlprnft> but it's harder to do in freeciv
13:32 <Vanhayes> yes
13:32 <wrtlprnft> sitting there for hours gives me a headache
13:32 <wrtlprnft> trying to decipher that tiny console font too
13:32 <spidey> i set here for hours anyways
13:32 <Vanhayes> cause with arma you at least one or lost a few times, with freeciv its 5 hours then you give up and its all for nothing
13:33 <Vanhayes> won*
13:33 <spidey> Vanhayes, nah
13:33 <Vanhayes> unless you have a save game
13:33 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma , me played a game in about 7-8 hours  i think
13:33 <spidey> finished it
13:33 <Vanhayes> spidey you and luci played for over 16 hours
13:33 <spidey> no
13:33 <spidey> not that time
13:33 <spidey> another time
13:33 <Vanhayes> lol ok sry
13:33 <spidey> when it was only Lucifer_arma, GodTodd, and me
13:34 <spidey> because everyone else didn't want to
13:34 <Vanhayes> i like saving it and coming back to it
13:34 <Vanhayes> the one we are playing now its a really good one
13:36 <spidey> Shutting server...
13:36 <spidey> Exception EAccessViolation in module soldatserver at 08059035.
13:36 <spidey> Access violation at address 0807F248, accessing address 00000000.
13:36 <spidey> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
13:36 <spidey> -_-
13:36 <spidey> appearently he fucked the server itself
13:37 <spidey> now i'ma have to reupload
13:37 <spidey> :/
13:37 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/soldat]# rm -r anims/
13:37 <spidey> rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `anims/': Permission denied
13:37 <spidey> eh
13:37 <spidey> ahahaha
13:41 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# wget
13:41 <spidey> grr
13:43 <spidey> hmm
13:43 <spidey> next time i use unzip i'm disabling console output
13:43 <spidey> o.o i think i broke it
13:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft unzip isn't supposed to show alot of ascii chars while unzipping is it?
13:50 <wrtlprnft> umm
13:50 <wrtlprnft> never used unzip :P
13:50 <wrtlprnft> or, not very often at least
13:50 <wrtlprnft> it is a bit verbose
13:50 <spidey> when i used unzip -p ( extract) it showed it encrypted
13:51 <spidey> -p  extract files to pipe, no messages 
13:51 <spidey> it's not supposed to show anything
13:52 <wrtlprnft> well
13:52 <wrtlprnft> if you use -p it will output all the files (their contents) to stdout
13:52 <wrtlprnft> and if you have binary files it will show you their contents
13:52 <spidey> -_-
13:52 <wrtlprnft> AFAIK you can just say unzip some.zip
13:53 <spidey> unzip file -d dir
14:30 <spidey> well
14:30 <spidey> depends on how this goes, but i might not be back for atleast 1 1/2 weeks :/
14:53 <spidey> haha
14:54 <spidey> i got this litter heart that beats on my taskbar, when my cpu usage is low it's a full heart, when it's being used it beats but gets smaller the more cpu cycle i use
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15:28 <spidey> well
15:28 <spidey> it's a bit harder than i thought :/
15:28 <ghableska> O_o
15:28 <spidey> was gonna display systeminfo on my desktop using registry entries
15:28 <spidey> but it didn't go so well
15:28 <spidey> :(
15:28 <ghableska> :(
15:29 <spidey> hmm
15:29 <spidey> my soldat server's really popular
15:30 <spidey> 1 hour since i got it working again, and it's already full
15:30 <spidey> 23 people O.o
15:30 <ghableska> :O
15:30 <spidey> heh
15:30 <spidey> and tons more trying to connect
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6106 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (MacOS/Rakefile src/tools/tRuby.cpp src/tools/tRuby.h):
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: - Moved GetExceptionInfo out of Sandbox.
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: - Throw runtime_error on require failure
16:46 <spidey> hmm
16:46 <spidey> i'm bored
16:46 <spidey> i'ma make a desktopsite
16:46 <spidey> heh
16:46 <spidey> maybe
16:46 <spidey> i'll have to install php the way i wanna do it -_-
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17:12 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes_
17:12 <DrJoeTron> spidey
17:13 <DrJoeTron> you might wanna check out Fear combar
17:13 <DrJoeTron> combat*
17:13 <spidey> luke-jr_,  ping
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17:38 <spidey> 97 movies and i've seen them all so many times i'm sicks of them :/
17:45 <spidey> o.o
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17:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma 
17:56 <spidey> 'er
17:56 <spidey> luke-jr_, luke-jr_ luke-jr_ 
18:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, he won't give us the source, but he'll compile a version for us with that command disabled, it'll only read from the soldat.ini and you'll have to make it read-only
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20:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: that doesn't address the security holes
20:02 <spidey> ?
20:08 <luke-jr_> the one used to hack your old server
20:26 <spidey> that was a bruteforce that crashed the server
20:27 <spidey> it was some permissions why i couldn't get it started again
20:27 <spidey> but he's compiling one for us
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20:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, wanna play freeciv?
20:31 <luke-jr_> no, sorry
20:31 <luke-jr_> busy
20:31 <luke-jr_> a bruteforce can't crash a server
20:31 <spidey> it can
20:31 <luke-jr_> and a bruteforce can't work with a good password
20:32 <spidey> if the server overloads the server it's hosted on
20:32 <luke-jr_> that wouldn't have permenant damage
20:32 <spidey> it didn't
20:32 <luke-jr_> it did
20:32 <spidey> i fucked the permissions up
20:32 <luke-jr_> o
20:32 <spidey> because i had to make it a executable to get it to run
20:33 <spidey> then i changed something and...
20:33 <luke-jr_> see what he says if we need it for x86_32, ppc_64, and sparc_64 =p
20:33 <spidey> do we?
20:34 <luke-jr_> he doesn't know we don't
20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <luke-jr_> and he won't be able to just compile one for them
20:34 <spidey> 	
20:34 <spidey> From : 	Michal Marcinkowski <michal.marcinkowski@gmail.com>
20:34 <spidey> Sent : 	Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:30 PM
20:34 <spidey> To : 	"P.J. Noble" <xlllspiderlllx@hotmail.com>
20:34 <spidey> Subject : 	Re: Hi
20:34 <spidey> 	
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20:34 <spidey> oh, sorry I didn't understand. I could compile a version for you which has that command disabled. When do you need it? Other server hosters don't use that limit, they just trust the client.
20:35 <luke-jr_> right... because all clients teach their admins about hosting rules =p
20:35 <spidey> hahaha
20:35 <spidey> that's true in my case :/
20:35 <spidey> only i haven't told them
20:38 <spidey> now
20:38 <spidey> if you want to do it
20:38 <spidey> you'll have to beat these prices
20:39 <deja_vu> spidey: 
20:39 <deja_vu> ;)
20:39 <spidey> deja_vu, 
20:39 <spidey> you beat me to it :(
20:40 <deja_vu> i haven't started beating anyone ...
20:40 <spidey> ...
20:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: what prices?
20:41 <spidey> $1.50 for a public server
20:41 <spidey> $1.00 for a private server
20:41 <spidey> per slot
20:42 <spidey> i'm trying to find the sites,hold on -_-
20:43 <luke-jr_> hope it doesn't use much bw
20:43 <luke-jr_> wtf is the diff between public and private
20:43 <spidey> private is a passworded server
20:43 <luke-jr_> I'd think a private server would cost more per slot because you're more likely to use them all
20:43 <spidey> public is they have the option to make it have a game password or not
20:43 <spidey> no...
20:44 <luke-jr_> anyway, it's not enough to limit MaxClients to soldats.ini either
20:44 <luke-jr_> it should be read from the service configuration =p
20:45 <spidey> do you want me to email him back and tell him nevermind?
20:45 <spidey> hosting was never my idea, i'm getting a dedicated server so i can run soldatservers for my own use
20:45 <spidey> plus whatever else i wanna run on it -_-
20:46 <spidey> i think you got the i wanted to start hosting them, because i asked you if i could change my service :p
22:05 <spidey> if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100
22:09 <Proclus> 162
22:09 <spidey> o.o
22:09 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
22:09 <spidey> i need a bigger monitor
22:10 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*100*100/1
22:10 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 1) = 30,012
22:10 <Proclus> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:10 <spidey> 17" @ 1280x1024 isn't enough room -_-
22:10 <Vanhayes> hmm if 100=200 than it would be:
22:10 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:10 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:11 <spidey> no
22:11 <Vanhayes> yes cause 1+100+200
22:11 <Proclus> its 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162 def
22:11 <Vanhayes> er
22:11 <Vanhayes> 1=100=200*
22:11 <spidey> #12+3*100*100/200
22:11 <spidey> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:11 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:11 <Vanhayes> not by those rules
22:11 <Proclus> yep
22:11 <Vanhayes> 100=200
22:11 <Vanhayes> so any 100=200
22:11 <spidey> duh
22:12 <Vanhayes> so ther is no 100
22:12 <spidey> and 1 = 100
22:12 <spidey> read dude
22:12 <Vanhayes> and 100=200
22:12 <Vanhayes> so 1=200
22:12 <Proclus> there only 100 right at the end so its /200
22:12 <spidey> yea
22:12 <GodTodd> hayes: then you'd have to keep re-switching the 12 and 3 ;)
22:12 <Vanhayes> but 1=100 and any 100=200 so 1=200
22:12 <Proclus> so i was right all alon with 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:13 <spidey> yes hayes
22:13 <spidey> you're wrong :p
22:13 <Proclus> me?
22:13 <spidey> no
22:13 <Vanhayes> no cause im only switching everything once
22:13 <GodTodd> no you're not
22:13 <spidey> you switched 1 twice
22:13 <GodTodd> you've got a second equation that you are applying the rules to
22:13 <spidey> get it right :p
22:14 <Vanhayes> im switching the 1 to 100 and the 100 to 200 because it says any 100=200
22:14 <GodTodd> that's the second equation tho
22:14 <Vanhayes> ive switched 1 once
22:14 <GodTodd> so you need to apply all rules again
22:14 <Vanhayes> its still the same equation just another step to it
22:14 <GodTodd> not at all
22:15 <Proclus> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162 do i need to apply the rules to this aswell? Do i apply the rules once or more times?
22:15 <GodTodd> exactly
22:15 <Vanhayes> well first it goes 12+3*100*100/200
22:15 <GodTodd> hayes: you are taking that equation above and reapplying the rules
22:15 <Vanhayes> but then every 100+200
22:15 <Vanhayes> 100=200*
22:15 <GodTodd> so then reswitch the 12 and 3
22:16 <spidey> i didn't say EVERY 100=200
22:16 <Vanhayes> it says 100+200
22:16 <Vanhayes> \damnit 100=200
22:16 <Proclus> this is waht you said ( so i dont have to scrolll up to have another look)" if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100"
22:16 <spidey> yes, in the equation i gave
22:17 <Vanhayes> you cant just pick wich 100 that applies to
22:17 <spidey> duh
22:17 <Vanhayes> so every 100 is affected
22:17 <spidey> no
22:17 <GodTodd> substitute letters: w=12, x=3, y=100 and z=200
22:17 <GodTodd> now do it :)
22:18 <spidey> see :p
22:18 <Proclus> 	12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:18 <GodTodd> ^^^
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22:18 <spidey> i was wanting luke-jr_  to do what hayes did -_-
22:18 <ghableska> hello
22:18 <Vanhayes> well i read it as every 1 or 100+200
22:19 <spidey> you read it wrong :p
22:19 <Vanhayes> damnit ======
22:19 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
22:19 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes, spidey
22:19 <spidey> who's ghableska ?
22:19 <Vanhayes> lol
22:19 <ghableska> :P
22:19 <spidey> :D
22:20 <Vanhayes> #gif 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/10
22:20 <Vanhayes> #g if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/10
22:20 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:20 <ghableska> O_o
22:20 <Vanhayes> didnt expect muh
22:20 <Vanhayes> much*
22:21 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:21 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:23 <spidey> well hayes
22:23 <spidey> if you go by those rules
22:23 <spidey> there is no answer
22:23 <spidey> 3 is 12 and 12 is 3
22:23 <spidey> you wouldn't be able to get past there
22:23 <Vanhayes> no...
22:23 <spidey> yess
22:23 <Vanhayes> first step is
22:23 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:24 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:24 <spidey> no
22:24 <Vanhayes> then you do the second step
22:24 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:24 <GodTodd> nope
22:24 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:24 <spidey> dude
22:24 <GodTodd> then it'd be #g 3+12*200*200/200
22:24 <spidey> by that rule you'd have to change the 3 and 12 around everytime
22:25 <spidey> o.o
22:25 <spidey> i hurt my brain
22:25 <spidey> ok
22:25 <spidey> well you changed the 100's to 200 right?
22:25 <spidey> you'd have to change the 12 and 3 again aswell
22:26 <Vanhayes> why would you have to do that?
22:26 <spidey> #g 3+12*200*200/200
22:26 <armabot> 3 + ((12 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 2,403
22:27 <GodTodd> cuz you have to apply the rules evenly
22:27 <spidey> because 12 = 3 and 3 = 12
22:27 <GodTodd> you can't pick and choose
22:27 <spidey> exactly
22:27 <GodTodd> you're applying the 100=200 rule and ignoring the 3=12 and 12=3 rules
22:28 <Vanhayes> but that is already dne all 12 are equal to 3 and all 3 equal to 12
22:28 <Vanhayes> done*
22:28 <GodTodd> ok then the 100s don't change
22:28 <spidey> so is 1 to 100
22:28 <GodTodd> right
22:28 <Vanhayes> but 100 isnt equal to 200
22:28 <GodTodd> any more application of rules means they all have to be done again
22:28 <Vanhayes> that is unfinished
22:28 <spidey> then 12 isn't equal to 3
22:29 <spidey> but 3 isn't equal to 12 either is it?
22:29 <spidey> :)
22:29 <Vanhayes> bah you should have used variables anyway
22:29 <spidey> lol
22:29 <Vanhayes> x y z and all that
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22:30 <joda_bot> hi
22:30 <GodTodd> w=12, x=3, y=100, z=200; w+x*y*y/z; 12+3*100*100/200
22:30 <GodTodd> there :P
22:30 <spidey> hahaha
22:30 <spidey> still the same
22:30 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
22:30 <Vanhayes> but that isnt the same equation
22:30 <spidey> variables don't matter
22:30 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
22:30 <Vanhayes> hi joda_bot 
22:30 <joda_bot> was anyone at 2020 meeting ?
22:30 <Vanhayes> ?
22:30 <spidey> ?
22:30 <ghableska> 2020 had to leave
22:31 <GodTodd> it's exactly the same....the one before just used numbers as variables as well
22:31 <ghableska> sorry 
22:31 <ghableska>  
22:31 <ghableska> got caught up with moving 
22:31 <ghableska> family 
22:31 <ghableska> the lovely lady in my life 
22:31 <ghableska> and just couldnt make it 
22:31 <ghableska>  
22:31 <ghableska> i do apologise 
22:31 <joda_bot> oh, ok... I was at my sisters fixing her pc
22:31 <ghableska> and i hope it wasn't a major inconvenience 
22:31 <ghableska>  
22:31 <ghableska> will hope to be in contact soon 
22:31 <ghableska> sometime when i land in malta 
22:31 <ghableska>  
22:31 <ghableska>  
22:31 <ghableska> hold the line 
22:31 <Vanhayes> lol
22:31 <ghableska> 2020
22:31 <ghableska> heh
22:31 <ghableska> I woke up too late :P
22:31 <ghableska> grr, have to wake up at 7 tomorrow
22:32 <spidey> i have to wakeup at 6 every morning
22:32 <ghableska> :P
22:32 <spidey> so i sleep during the day and wakeup at night
22:32 <ghableska> heh
22:32 <ghableska> nocturnal spidey
22:32 <Vanhayes> lol
22:32 <spidey> which reminds me
22:32 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: I have a question about all those boost headers required for trunk compile.
22:32 <spidey> why am i still awake
22:32 <spidey> :/
22:33 <GodTodd> blame the equation, spidey ;)
22:33 <spidey> no
22:33 <spidey> i came up with that 10 minutes ago
22:33 <spidey> i'm bored
22:33 <ghableska> sleep :P
22:33 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BB07A.versanet.de] has quit [Success]
22:33 <GodTodd> so go to sleep
22:33 <GodTodd> geez
22:33 <GodTodd> heh
22:33 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm herre
22:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  ;)
22:33 <wrtlprnft> but don't expect me to know a lot
22:34 <wrtlprnft> afaik you only really need the headers, not the actual compiled binaries
22:34 <wrtlprnft> since all we use is templates
22:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Np, it's just a basic question if I'm exspected to just add the whole boost headers to win_libs or if we'll cut down on boost usuage ?
22:34 <spidey> here
22:34 <spidey> lets let wrtl decide
22:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft, if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100
22:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the headers alone are about 20MB
22:34 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:35 <wrtlprnft> just add the stuff we're using i'd say
22:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 42
22:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: So it won't make any sense to move the boost headers into armagetron source for all platforms
22:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft,  how do you work it?
22:35 <Vanhayes> lol
22:36 <Vanhayes> answer to everything is 42
22:36 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: just add the stuff we're using is about 2h of work
22:36 <spidey> -_-
22:36 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: because the headers are all interrelated
22:36 <joda_bot> it's really nasty
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure that somewhere along the prohability axis the answer to that will be 42
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22:36 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: then add everything I guess
22:37 <Vanhayes> meh spidey your equation is a never ending cycle then
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22:37 <spidey> Vanhayes,  make up your mind
22:37  * wrtlprnft is still wondering if boost was a good idea after all
22:37 <Vanhayes> 12=3 3=12 12=3 3=12 12=3
22:37 <joda_bot> my proposal would be to keep boost header usuage to a minimum or just declare the whole boost header as a dependency
22:38 <spidey> Vanhayes,  you said that was wrong
22:38 <wrtlprnft> i mean, it's nice and working and so on, but it's really huge
22:38 <joda_bot> yeah
22:38 <Vanhayes> well Im going by your thinking on my thinking there
22:38 <Vanhayes> my aswer is still 600 something
22:38 <wrtlprnft> if Vanhayes is spidey and luke-jr_ is deja_vu, what's Lucifer_arma + guru3?
22:38 <joda_bot> ok, I'll try to get the trunk to compile ...
22:38 <spidey> lol
22:39 <joda_bot> then I'll fix my pending bugs
22:39 <GodTodd> hayes: think of it this way...the first numbers in the equalities HAVE to be variables
22:39 <joda_bot> (probably will have to do that tomorrow)
22:39 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma+ guru3 + wrtlprnft
22:39 <spidey> hmm
22:39 <spidey> wait
22:39 <Vanhayes> ya well that equation is poorly made and now Im not sure if there is a definnite answer to it
22:39 <spidey> i got it
22:39 <spidey> hold on
22:39 <Vanhayes> damnit
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #eightball if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100?
22:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: It is so.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> there you go
22:40 <spidey> we'll let a script answer it :p
22:40 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma+ guru3 =wrtlprnft*
22:40 <wrtlprnft> armabot knows everything
22:40 <ghableska> heh
22:40 <Vanhayes>  if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100= so
22:40 <wrtlprnft> not so, 50!
22:40 <Vanhayes> cant arguing with that answer
22:40 <Vanhayes> lol
22:41 <spidey> lol
22:42 <Vanhayes> spidey: somehow a script made to find the answer of the question by the same guy who made the question might be a little biased
22:42 <spidey> fine
22:42 <spidey> wrtlprnft,  make a quick math script :p
22:44 -!- GodTodd is now known as MathScript
22:44 <MathScript> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:44 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:44 <spidey> lol
22:44 -!- MathScript is now known as GodTodd
22:44 <GodTodd> there
22:44 <GodTodd> :P
22:44 <ghableska> hehe
22:44 -!- Vanhayes is now known as Stupidest
22:45 <Stupidest> er
22:45 -!- Stupidest is now known as Vanhayes
22:45 <GodTodd> heh if the shoe fits ;)
22:45 <GodTodd> haha
22:45 <Vanhayes> seems to be a limit on name length
22:45 <GodTodd> yeah
22:45 <GodTodd> 9 or 10 i think
22:46 -!- You're now known as abcdefghijklmnop
22:46 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:46 <GodTodd> ahhh 16 cool
22:46 <GodTodd> :)
22:46 <wrtlprnft> ;)=
22:47 <wrtlprnft> s/=//
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:54 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:59 <joda_bot>  gn8 wrtlprnft
23:05 <spidey> Vanhayes, GodTodd  freeciv? :p
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23:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: why not reinstall and reconfigure it on the webserver?
23:18 <spidey> huh?
23:19 <luke-jr_> soldats
23:20 <spidey> you don't install it...
23:20 <spidey> you just extract and run
23:24 <guru3> soldats
23:24 <guru3> isn't that a release group?
23:25 <spidey> no?
23:25 <spidey> it's a game
23:25 <guru3> ah right
23:25 <guru3> that too
23:28 <spidey> well
23:28 <spidey> the game is "soldat" dunno why luke keeps saying soldats :p
23:29 <guru3> http://a.scarywater.net/soldats/
23:29 <luke-jr_> so reconfigure it if it's a configuration problem
23:29 <guru3> that may be why
23:29 <guru3> at least that's what i think of
23:29 <luke-jr_> Soldats is a illuminati-type organization from Noir =p
23:29 <luke-jr_> so there
23:29 <guru3> heh
23:29 <guru3> it's like asking what is a pluton
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