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Log from 2006-08-13:
--- Day changed Sun Aug 13 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's flagrantly hypocritical for Americans to whine about the 1024 conversion factor for computers not being an even 1000
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on.  5280 feet/1 mile, and 1024MB / 1 GB is unreasonable?
00:00 <GodTodd> america was built on non-even conversions
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, they're trying to make it inconsistent, aren't they?
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> they want to keep the 1024 bytes / 1 kilobyte conversion
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> 4 gigabit flash drive 12 dollars awesome...wait a second ;-)
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's just the MB and GB conversions they want to change
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's only 512MB, we worked it out a bit ago
00:02 <GodTodd> #g 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49
00:02 <armabot> 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49 = 237.04
00:03 <GodTodd> #g 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67
00:03 <armabot> 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67 = 285.38
00:04 <GodTodd> ok...now just need to price the CC bookstore next week
00:04 <GodTodd> fuckin math books are a rip off
00:05 -!- [dlh]_ is now known as [dlh]
00:11 <DrJoeTron> i love newegg
00:11 <DrJoeTron> some idiot hated them...who was it
00:11 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
00:11 <DrJoeTron> tit
00:12 <Vanhayes> whats newegg?
00:12 <spidey> what'd you expect?
00:12 <DrJoeTron> i should really block him
00:12 <spidey> newegg = girls in bikini's
00:12 <Vanhayes> and tit pretty much hates everything
00:12 <DrJoeTron> its a site to buy computers and electronic stuff
00:12 <DrJoeTron> except himself
00:12 <Vanhayes> ya that he loves
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and me for some unfortunate reason
00:12 <spidey> ya he's a god and we're all noobs
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and mom too
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> no go with the bikini site that way more people will visit(rolls eyes)
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes mom
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes us
00:13 <DrJoeTron> oh god
00:13 <DrJoeTron> tit is THAT GUY
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> That guy you never ever want to talk to and hate, yet he loves you for some stupid reason
00:14 <DrJoeTron> Tna= THAT guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> hmm ya he seems to want me to agree with him and be on his side when we are in a server together and im using this name, but then when i use another name he throws racist insults at me so...
00:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck That Guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> lol ya
00:15  * spidey /me keeps quite
00:15 <spidey> hmm
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> quiet
00:15  * spidey is a god
00:15  * Vanhayes /me doesnt know how /me works either
00:15 <spidey> a typo god :D
00:15  * DrJoeTron doesnt beleive in god
00:15 <DrJoeTron> :P
00:16 <DrJoeTron> there by you dont exsist!
00:16 <DrJoeTron> Parodaxed!
00:16  * Vanhayes believes in siddhartha
00:16 <spidey> [15:17] ���� Nickname ghost in use
00:16 <DrJoeTron> fuck it all
00:16 <spidey> lol
00:17 <Vanhayes> well not really but its the name im using right now
00:17 <DrJoeTron> man i realy want that DS cartridge
00:18 <DrJoeTron> and people to play tetris or mario kart!
00:18 <spidey> who plays tetris anymore?
00:18 <spidey> i have that game,for gameboy
00:18  * Vanhayes loved tetris for the SNES
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> magazines kept hyping yakuza the ps2 game at e3. after playing a demo of the game it feels like a ps2 launch title.
00:18 <spidey> i play it when i'm at my other grandmas
00:18 <spidey> because there's nothing else to do :p
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> kubuntu dapper's livecd gave me a PAL-sized console :(
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <spidey> i've only had 1 hour sleep in 2 days -_-
00:19 <spidey> is wrtlprnft in the bed?
00:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: is there any example code on how to use your parser? I'd like to try to see how it works tomorrow. Just provide me with some basic code that defines a few functions and variables and then parses a simple expression and displays the result
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> the Satanic Bible defines something called a Psychic Vampire
00:20 <spidey> guess not
00:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: like the commented out code right below tValue:Expr
00:20 <spidey> -_-
00:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> Titboy = Pyschic Vampire
00:20 <DrJoeTron> who cares if tetris is old
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> tron is old
00:20 <DrJoeTron> thats why you like halo!
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is young, however
00:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron, do you care to have a 50y/o girlfriend?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> and halo is one of the worst games ever
00:20 <spidey> ;x
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take a 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <DrJoeTron> if she is fun to play with il take the 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <spidey> of course you would
00:20 <spidey> i was asking joe :D
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> just think about how well a girl can fuck that's been fucking for 30+ years
00:21 <DrJoeTron> tetris is fun
00:21 <GodTodd> drjoetron: you should try outpost.com too
00:21 <spidey> hahaha
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> virgins are for wusses, I want a woman that can fuck my brains out without breaking a sweat
00:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, sure....by that time the biggest dick in the world wouldn't satisfy her
00:21 <spidey> :p
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, those things shrink back to a genetically-defined size
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> unless she's played with a really large dildo every day of her life, no problems
00:22 <spidey> i would show you a picture this girl sent me
00:22 <DrJoeTron> oh frys electronics
00:22 <spidey> but i don't have it anymore
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i live by the warehouse
00:22 <spidey> i know where you live
00:22 <spidey> ;D
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> why order, then?  Just go down and get it
00:22  * spidey harrass's joe
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i dont go there
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i go to newegg
00:23 <DrJoeTron> newegg is better prices
00:23 <DrJoeTron> and the customer service rocks
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> so what's cheaper, getting a $35 computer from the school district's surplus store, or buying a motherboard+hard drive+memory+processor brand new for a case I hae laying around?
00:24 <DrJoeTron> choice A
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, I still have to buy a really large hard drive and probably 2 cdroms on top of that
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> they sent me a wrong part and told me to keep it and sent me the right part by 2 day fedex
00:24 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> newegg sent me a broke-dick memory stick and then replaced it with another broke-dick memory stick
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i got 2 parts DOA at once and replaced it with much better ones
00:25  * Lucifer_arma doesn't order from newegg anymore because he doesn't want to buy broke-dick parts
00:25 <Vanhayes> we got a full PC with a small dent in it asked for another one and they sent it and havent asked or charged us for the first one
00:25 <Vanhayes> that was about 2 years ago
00:25  * DrJoeTron points out it also depends on the manufacturer of the broke dick parts
00:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I'm still not asleep
00:26 <Vanhayes> #time
00:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: 12:27 AM, August 13, 2006
00:27 <DrJoeTron> man everyone is either retarded or way too good for their own good on mario kart
00:27 <Vanhayes> that is yours right wrtlprnft ?
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> wrlt go harrass nemo to make an aacockpit previewer
00:27 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: ?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> what is mine?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, sure
00:27 <Vanhayes> this is your armabot
00:28 <wrtlprnft> all go ask him
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> grr
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #alias add armabot eightball
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The outlook is poor.
00:28 <Vanhayes> lol
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> armabot help
00:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> but yes, she is
00:28 <wrtlprnft> she's still a she, though
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> armabots a manbot
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #capabilities
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> ack, it sends me a private message
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #unload Time
00:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #load Time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
00:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:30 <wrtlprnft> see, she obeys me
00:30 <Vanhayes> #load time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:30 <Vanhayes> heh
00:30 <GodTodd> #time
00:30 <armabot> GodTodd: 12:31 AM, August 13, 2006
00:30 <Vanhayes> wow I just heard a huge boom of thunder
00:30 <Vanhayes> #weather
00:31 <wrtlprnft> the weather plugin disappeared for some reason
00:31 <GodTodd> well now it's worthless ;)
00:31 <GodTodd> heh
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #love ?
00:32 <DrJoeTron> damn
00:32 <Vanhayes> #whoami
00:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: I don't recognize you.
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #hurt Spidey
00:32 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey 
00:32 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rude-snouted quart of coughed-up retch. 
00:32 <Vanhayes> heh
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> #say blah
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> aww
00:33 <DrJoeTron> #fortune
00:33 <armabot> DrJoeTron: ... ich bin in einem dusenjet ins jahr 53 vor chr ... ich lande im antiken Rom ...  einige gladiatoren spielen scrabble ... ich rieche PIZZA ...
00:33 <Vanhayes> ack
00:33 <Vanhayes> #babelfish
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> german pizza at 53
00:33 <Vanhayes> damn
00:34 <DrJoeTron> #quote
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: This plugin module doesn't have a "Class" attribute to specify which plugin should be instantiated.  If you didn't write this plugin, but received it with Supybot, file a bug with us about this error.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load Plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #list plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: author, contributors, help, list, and plugin
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:34 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
00:34 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
00:35 <DrJoeTron> #quote get 3
00:35 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
00:35 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
00:35 <wrtlprnft> i like number 18
00:35 <Vanhayes> ya its a good one
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list quote
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote search
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: 16 found: #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug...", #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take...", #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in...", #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on...", #16: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code...", #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate...", #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other...", #19: (2 more messages)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #more
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China,...", #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong?...", #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean,...", #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer", #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an...", #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl,...", #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for...", #8: "master your own mind, otherwise (1 more message)
00:37 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #load weather
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "weather" exists.
00:38 <wrtlprnft> umm
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #quit
00:38 -!- armabot [n=armabot@] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
00:39 <wrtlprnft> wow, armabot takes quite some time to start
00:39 -!- armabot [n=armabot@] has joined #armagetron
00:39 <Vanhayes> #hello
00:39 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #364: || Sand fleas eating the Internet cables
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #load Weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Weather is already loaded.
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #list weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #cnn munich, germany
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 54.0�F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Wind: SW at 3 mph (5 km/h).
00:40 <wrtlprnft> whatever 54F is
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #load CyborgName
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Cyborgname is already loaded.
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #list
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #load Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #list vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands.  This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior.  Try "config list supybot.plugins.Vim" to see what configuration variables it has.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: @#autokban and public
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #plugin help Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin is loaded, but has no plugin help.
00:42 <wrtlprnft> i have no idea what this plugin does...
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #unload Vim
00:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton
00:43 <wrtlprnft> must have something to do with bans
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton, AR is 90.0�F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 54%. Wind: SW at 4 mph (6 km/h).
00:43 <Vanhayes> bah
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 55?F / 13?C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers or thundershowers ending this evening then clearing. Amount 5 mm except locally 15 mm in thundershowers. Low 7.; Sunday - Sunny in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of showers in the (1 more message)
00:44  * Vanhayes is surprised his connection hasnt dropped yet
00:44 <Vanhayes> #more
00:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: afternoon. Wind becoming west 20 km/h late in the morning. High 21. UV index 6 or high. Sunday night..a few clouds. Wind west 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 10.; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 22.;
00:45 <wrtlprnft> you're online for an unusually long time, yes
00:45 <DrJoeTron> time to cook som bacon!
00:45 <wrtlprnft> so, any more wishes regarding armabot?
00:45 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:46 <DrJoeTron> make armabot love me
00:46 <wrtlprnft> that's her decision
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #armabot do you love DrJoeTron 
00:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: It is possible.
00:46 <wrtlprnft> i'd call that pretty positive
00:46 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love lobsters?
00:46 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:46 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:46 <DrJoeTron> i found my match in heaven
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love Spidey
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Obviously.
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot I'm breaking up with you
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:47 <Vanhayes> Hahaha
00:48 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
00:48 <DrJoeTron> ive been thinking
00:48 <DrJoeTron> If walls could talk, people would camp more.
00:48 <Vanhayes> #eliza
00:49 <Vanhayes> aw
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's not that armabot takes a long time to start, it's that it takes a long time to login to freenode
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I watch Konversation take 30 seconds to login
00:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't notice logging into freenode usually
00:50 <wrtlprnft> irssi starts in a screen session even before X11 starts
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> this copy job sure is taking a long time
00:52 <wrtlprnft> well, to make spidey happy:
00:52 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:52 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:53 <spidey> hey
00:54 <spidey> get your ass back here
00:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft!
00:59 <spidey> -_-
01:00 <spidey> he wanted a script to split the armalogs up
01:00 <spidey> so i made one -_-
01:00 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey 
01:00 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a beef-witted stack of thick eel. 
01:00 <Vanhayes> heh 
01:00 <spidey> only one problem though
01:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
01:01 <spidey> ahhh
01:01 <spidey> nvm
01:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, here's the script to split the armalog into multiple files http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
01:09 <spidey> put that in a .php somewhere hidden and every 4-5 days goto that page and it'll split them
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's still on my home partition :(
01:11 <spidey> also you can change the numlines,to make it bigger or smaller
01:11 <spidey> what is?
01:13 <spidey> bhelp
01:13 <spidey> er
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> my copy job
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm copying all of my gentoo installation to a different partition so I can repartition the main hard drive
01:24 <spidey> copy job?
01:24 <spidey> ah
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> then I have to copy it *back*
01:24 <spidey> heh
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> luckily my partition layout should let me get it all done without having to touch grub :)
01:24 <spidey> hope you're on sata :p
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> nope
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on slower-than-dirt ide
01:25 <spidey> heh
01:25 <spidey> well
01:25 <spidey> why not tar the hole thing then upload it to your server
01:25 <spidey> then redownload it after
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> this is on my server
01:25 <spidey> oh
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> as part of an attempt to improve performance and reliability, I'm repartitioning with a different layout and reiserfs
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, I want to enforce home directory quotas so I can reasonably backup the home partition
01:26 <spidey> heh
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> can't backup a home partition that could grow in size to 20GB with what I've got, so I need to keep each user down to less than 1 GB so I can back it up
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's a big sweeping change I'm making, but it's very important
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> and supposedly using reiserfs will actually give each user a little more working space within their quota
01:27 <spidey> cool
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I spent 3 hours on the other day trying to get exact partition sizes :)
01:29 <spidey> hmm
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a go shave and shit and do some dishes, hopefully I'll be able to repartition and start the second big copy job right before I cook dinner
01:29 <spidey> lol
01:29 <GodTodd> shave and shit at the same time
01:30 <GodTodd> efficiency, man ;)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, "shit" here is "brush my teeth", because technically I already shat
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm if shitting = brushing your teeth something is seriously wrong :D
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just broke the news to my wife that we're buying a backup server when my check gets here and she didn't tell me no
01:31 <spidey> what does she want?
01:31 <GodTodd> food and shit i'd imagine :)
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> she just doesn't want to spend money on computer hardware when the stuff we have "works"
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I could do the breakdown and show her how not having a good backup plan cost us several thousand dollars this summer, and it may wind up costing me my 4.0 GPA
01:31 <GodTodd> yeah but does it work "better"?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> she didn't challenge me on it, though, so I didn't have to do the breakdown
01:32 <spidey> well if she would have said no,but didn't this time...she must want something too :p
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> more likely she just knew she couldn't say no this time, because I didn't ask.  If I didn't think we needed it, I would have asked instead.  :)
01:32 <spidey> lol
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to shave and shit.  I'm a little anxious the webserver's down, but it'll be back up, and better than ever :)
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, not enough shaving cream and nothing but dull razor blades
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> MY FACE HURTS!!
01:51 <spidey> use a knife dundee
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> I do it just like dundee.  I only pick up the knife and use it when my wife is looking
01:52 <spidey> lmao
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> and she just went swimming
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the copy job has moved on to the usr partition
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01:53 <spidey> well
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> technically on the old layout there is no usr partition, there is only / and /home
01:53 <spidey> i'ma watch another movie and be mad wrtlprnft went to sleep 10seconds before i finished that script for him -_-
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want gratitude, you could write me a script :)
01:54 <spidey> gratitude?
01:54 <spidey> #dict gratitude
01:54 <armabot> spidey: wn and gcide responded: wn: gratitude n : a feeling of thankfulness and appreciation; "he was overwhelmed with gratitude for their help" [ant: {ingratitude}]; gcide: Gratitude \Grat"i*tude\, n. [F. gratitude, LL. gratitudo, from gratus agreeable, grateful. See {Grate}, a.] The state of being grateful; warm and friendly feeling toward a benefactor; kindness awakened by a favor received; thankfulness. (1 more message)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> I need a script that takes as input the path to a .wav file, and has things like "author", "song", "genre", and stuff, and then uses oggenc and flacenc to make 3 oggs of varying quality and 1 flac
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> and the input should be in a text file, not commandline
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> commandline argument should just be the text file :)
01:55 <spidey> eh
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> if you actually want to write it, I can give a list of attributes the file needs.  If you don't, I'll get to it sooner or later.
01:56 <spidey> hmm
01:56 <spidey> will php do??,and i dunno if i can do that
01:56 <spidey> i still suck at it :(
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> php is fine, command-line apps aren't much different from php apps
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> but the file format should be name=value, which isn't terribly hard to parse with php
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> er, command-line apps aren't much different from web apps
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference is where you take the command line args from.  Instead of the querystring, you get it from somewheres else, but php makes it available the same way, just a different name for the variable
01:58 <spidey> i don't even know where to start with something like that,but i'll try,what's the attributes?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> actually, php might be better than python for this :)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> from oggenc --help:
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -c, --comment=c      Add the given string as an extra comment. This may be
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>                       used multiple times. The argument should be in the
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>                       format "tag=value".
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -d, --date           Date for track (usually date of performance)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -N, --tracknum       Track number for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -t, --title          Title for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -l, --album          Name of album
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -a, --artist         Name of artist
01:59 <Lucifer_arma>  -G, --genre          Genre of track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to generate the output filenames yourself, but how you do it doesn't matter terribly, I"ll probably hack it anyway
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> the important thing is the file input and the wrapping of oggenc and flac
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> one other attribute:  wavfilename=<something>
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be the input for oggenc and flac, obviously :)
02:01 <spidey> what's flac?
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> free lossless audio codec
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's a xiph project now, in fact, so it can be put into the ogg container, but oggenc doesn't handle it.
02:09 <spidey> how does oggnec work?
02:09 <spidey> oggnec attributes inputfile outputfile?
02:10 <spidey> wait,nvm :D
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4787207.stm  <--- this is the start of a run-up to another invasion in another middle eastern country
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> the filename should be something like %track_%artist_%album_%title_%quality.ogg, where %quality is determined by the script and the rest come from the file
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> just like the filename you get from a CD ripper, only with a quality attached to it that indicates the quality of the encoding
02:14 <spidey> ok this one's over me :D
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> the 3 qualities I want are 0, 5, and 10
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  :)  Thanks anyway, I'll get it sometime, probably after my calc final.  But I'll keep trying to get someone else to do it until then.  ;)
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> (wrtlprnft declined, heh)
02:14 <spidey> lol
02:15 <spidey> i would,but i suck at php ;s
02:15 <spidey> god to the amount of typos involved -_-
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a bash script that almost did it, but it got lost in the partition table thingee
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise I'd have extended that script already to handle it.  :/
02:16 <spidey> i can tell you how to do the random outputname though
02:16 <spidey> in php
02:16 <spidey> well
02:16 <spidey> not random
02:16 <spidey> just numbered
02:17 <spidey> well,kinda ;s
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's all fairly easy for me, I mean, I do this sort of thing every day anyway, in php no less.  It's probably about a half hour of work, it's just very low priority right now
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> it'll raise in priority after my final, and I'll do it, probably in python.
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> Only I'll make it more general so GodTodd can use it for a similar conversion he needs to make
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> the only way the language actually matters is that if I do it in bash again, it'll take me a lot longer to work it out, so it'll be python if I do it
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe if I get my server done early I'll do it tonight.  The script is for taking songs that I recorded and outputting them into formats that people will download
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> the lowest quality version will be a free download, the others you pay for.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> and if someone's going to pay for a song download, the file needs to be as professional as possible, which means having all the right tags in it for their media player
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got enough songs to start selling my album a track at a time, and if they do decently, I get financial justification for finishing the album, so it's kind of important to me
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, gotta wash dishes, bbiab
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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03:11 <DrJoeTron> tit wont go away
03:33 <DrJoeTron> hey guys
03:33 <DrJoeTron> does tna have two screen names?
03:34 <DrJoeTron> or is there two of them
03:35 <spidey> he has one called john
03:35 <DrJoeTron> how about alienwarecrazy
03:35 <DrJoeTron> and Nick Titnass
03:36 <spidey> 'uno
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03:38 <Vanhayes> he kept switching between Titsnass and keenan in LOL's server
03:39 <Vanhayes> spidey: where is US fortress server located?
03:39 <DrJoeTron> i mean on AIM
03:45 <spidey> Vanhayes hell if i know
03:45 <spidey> tna = keenan?
03:45 <DrJoeTron> cya
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03:48 <Vanhayes> im not sure, but maybe thats why TNA has been acting like an ass lately, maybe he is really Keenan and not the real TNA
03:50 <spidey> Vanhayes do me a favor
03:50 <spidey> set team_max_imbalance to 1
03:50 <Vanhayes> ok
03:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players
03:50 <spidey> :D
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03:53 <Vanhayes> done
03:53 <Vanhayes> it was at 5 0_o
03:54 <spidey> ya
04:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, you misunderstood me-- yell at the idiots pushing MiB over MB. There are no 1000-base byte units
04:25  * luke-jr_ personally pushes for any binary-based unit systems
04:25 <luke-jr_> eg, cup/pottle/quart/gallon
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: On the back end (function definition), see veMath and veComparison for definitions of 'sin' and 'iff'
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: for the front end (actual parsing), see the stuff that handles <Value ...> in cockpits
04:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I might not implement variables at all-- instead, DCT should make them unnecessary (read-only stuff would be an argument-less function)
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> wiki's up again
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's how mom noticed it was down.  He was editing it.  Heh.  Oops.
05:46 <spidey> lol
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: no, I understood you, I just ranted here instead.  I don't know anybody stupid enough to think MiB is a useful unit, sorry.
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> oops, screwed up the partitioning, heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 44M partition for svn, and it's supposed to be 4GB
06:11  * Lucifer_arma slaps himself
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: website's back up, in case you hadn't noticed and you needed it
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> User	Unnamed Wimp
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Location	http://www.davefancella.com/thisdoesnotexistahaha.php
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Referrer	
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Message	thisdoesnotexistahaha.php not found.
06:25 <spidey> good god
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> what?
06:25 <spidey> 1 hour and 30 minutes to hash 30gig 6 of which are hashed already and the process is set at high priority
06:26 <spidey> 157 files -_-
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> rsync?
06:26 <spidey> nah
06:27 <spidey> p2p client uses hash's
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm waiting a long fucking time for a directory to be copied across partitions
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the problems with having all these partitions, when you copy across them, the file actually has to be copied byte by byte :(
06:28 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
06:29 <spidey> lmao
06:29 <spidey> the time goes up when i move my mouse
06:29 <spidey> and goes down wen i don't
06:31 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you mean to use "MiB" instead of "MB"? The proponents of "MiB" insist without the "i" is 1000-based
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I thought they were insisting we use MiB for base 10 version of the unit and keep MB the same
06:31 <spidey> how many movies are in the nightmare on elm street set?
06:31 <spidey> 3?
06:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nope, dumb isn't it?
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's dumb anyway.  If the computer were base 10, it would make sense, but it's not
06:33 <luke-jr_> if the computer were base 10, a byte would be smaller than a bit and probably not used =p
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's especially dumb for Americans using imperial units to bitch about it in the first place :)
06:34 <luke-jr_> base 10 counting is dumb, anyway =p
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> base e is better :)
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4.5 GB in MB
06:36 <armabot> 4.5 gigabytes = 4,608 megabytes
06:36 <luke-jr_> never figured out why the people who created metric stuck with a nonsensical base
06:36 <luke-jr_> yay google
06:36 <luke-jr_> base e and pi are fun, but not too useful except maybe for radians
06:37  * luke-jr_ wrote a base conversion function that could handle fractional bases
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be happy to switch to base 2, the math is mostly the same anyway
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> rather, base 16
06:37 <luke-jr_> I'd prefer base 16 for writing-- it's compatible with base 2 :)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> base 2 for hardcore stuff, base 16 for regular hand-written work
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> and then I'd support having 1024 feet in a mile, with 1024 inches in a foot, etc.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd keep feet/yards/miles just to piss off the SI people
06:39 <luke-jr_> heh
06:39 <luke-jr_> I'd rename units tho
06:39 <luke-jr_> I maintain a clock applet for KDE that shows the hexadecimal time
06:39 <luke-jr_> right now, it's .3:14 :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I've got the size I wanted for /backup and /var/svn
06:40 <luke-jr_> crap, I forgot pi in hex :(
06:40  * luke-jr_ used to know it to 2 digits =p
06:42 <luke-jr_> 4, actually
06:42 <luke-jr_> 3.243f6a8885a3
06:42 <luke-jr_> not sure where that loses its accuracy
06:42 <luke-jr_> pretty sure 3.243f is accurate tho
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> it would be mildly entertaining if it turned out pi was rational in base 16
06:43 <luke-jr_> I don't think it can be rational in any integer base
06:43 <luke-jr_> seeing that any integer base can be represented by a fraction
06:43 <luke-jr_> in fact, I don't think it's possible in any rational base ;p
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I dont' really know enough about pi deep down inside to even venture a guess.  All's I know is that a taylor series can be used to compute it,
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> but the series itself is pretty wild and freaky
06:45 <luke-jr_> but an irrational number (such as pi) cannot be represented by a fraction
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yes it can
06:45 <luke-jr_> not accurately
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the catch is that you have to have accurate measurements
06:46 <luke-jr_> and any rational number in a rational base can be a fraction
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> pi was originally defined as the ratio between the circumferance and diameter of a circle, which is a fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> ok, a *rational* fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> the only way to make an irrational number rational is to use an irrational base
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, if the fraction can't be turned into a decimal with a finite number of digits, it's irrational :)
06:47 <luke-jr_> eh? 1/9 is considered irrational?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> but 1/8 is not
06:47  * luke-jr_ thought irrationality was stricter than that
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, anyway.  That's how it was taught to me
06:48 <luke-jr_> as I was taught, only numbers like pi and e are irrational
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> these days it's more important to tell the difference between an exact value and an approximation anyway
06:48 <luke-jr_> IIRC, but that was years ago
06:48 <luke-jr_> today my main interest in pi and such is memorization ;)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, square root of 2 is irrational too, I think.  There are radicals that are irrational
06:49 <luke-jr_> aww, I missed .3:24 :(
06:49 <luke-jr_> well, yeah, but I mean as far as common-use
06:49 <luke-jr_> or is sqrt2 used?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I'm getting more intimate with pi than I thought I would, even in trig.  Actually, I'm getting more intimate with e than I ever cared to.
06:50 <luke-jr_> hex time passes a bit quick
06:50 <luke-jr_> approx 40 seconds per hex-minute, IIRC
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_Numbers
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 24 / 32
06:50 <armabot> 24 / 32 = 0.75
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 60 * 0.75
06:50 <armabot> 60 * 0.75 = 45
06:50 <luke-jr_> so 45 minutes in a hex-hour
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so fractions are rational
06:51 <armabot> 45 / 256 = 0.17578125
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256 * 60
06:51 <armabot> (45 / 256) * 60 = 10.546875
06:51 <luke-jr_> that can't be right... O.o
06:51  * luke-jr_ must be tired
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> so radicals are either natural numbers or irrational numbers, but can't be rational
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> except that rational is a superset that includes natural numbers :)
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 24/16*60
06:52 <armabot> (24 / 16) * 60 = 90
06:52 <luke-jr_> correction: *90* minutes to a hex-hour
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 90 / 256 * 60
06:52 <armabot> (90 / 256) * 60 = 21.09375
06:53 <luke-jr_> still seems wrong there
06:53 <luke-jr_> I guess not
06:53 <luke-jr_> counted it out
06:53 <luke-jr_> so approx 21 seconds per a hex-minute
06:53 <luke-jr_> which is why sometimes the last digit of the time is sometimes unused, I guess
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, umm, how long is the day?
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the day should be FF hex-hours, is that what you set it up as?
06:56 <luke-jr_> 16 hex-hours
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x10, I mean ;)
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x100 hex-minutes per hex-hour
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60*24
06:56 <armabot> 60 * 24 = 1,440
06:57 <luke-jr_> so 0x(1/10) is the second hour of the day
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1024 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 1,024 = 0x400
06:57 <luke-jr_> 4096 is nicer
06:57 <luke-jr_> iirc
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
06:57 <luke-jr_> #g 4096 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 4,096 = 0x1000
06:57 <luke-jr_> heh, then we get "KB" = blocks ;)
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> just trying to get something that gets 1 minute close to a hex minute
06:57 <luke-jr_> by default on ext3 anyhow
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, don't blocks vary with hd's?
06:58 <luke-jr_> good luck, I imagine the current hex time system is the way it is because there's no good alternative
06:58 <luke-jr_> blocks vary with filesystem formatting
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a real hex time system?  heh.
06:58 <luke-jr_> ext3's default is 4 KB
06:58 <luke-jr_> yes, though I deviate a bit from it
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> aha, tht's why ext3 supposedly uses more space for portage than reiser's supposed to use
06:59 <luke-jr_> I trash time zones and use <date>.<time>
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06:59 <luke-jr_> reiser has some dynamic block size thing, IIRC
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, all's I know is it's supposed to outperform ext3 by quite a bit, and I figured since I had to repartition anyway, I may as well go for it and see if it speeds up my server
07:00 <luke-jr_> w/ reiser, /boot needs its own partition
07:00 <luke-jr_> either with another fs, or with the notail option
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> grub can read reiser now, but I made /boot ext2
07:00 <luke-jr_> I've heard some scary stories with reiser tho, so I avoid it
07:00 <luke-jr_> GRUB can read reiser w/ tails?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure, all I know is that grub can read reiser, I know nothing more.  Remember, I made my /boot ext2 :)
07:01 <luke-jr_> tails is a default option ;)
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> I saw something saying you needed to give grub some additional parameters, but I ignored it because I wasn't doing reiser for /boot
07:02 <luke-jr_> hm
07:02 <luke-jr_> notail would go in fstab, not grub
07:04 <luke-jr_> hehe, wikipedia totally lacks any knowledge of non-integer bases
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I like the idea of base pi.  Then a unit circle has diameter 2 :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe I should rethink that a bit
07:06 <luke-jr_> lol
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, base pi gives a unit circle a diameter of 2
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> no
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:07 <luke-jr_> I count on my fingers in base 5 :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, trying to work on my backup system
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07:15 <spidey> g[jfg';jk;gfjk;lfdjyh;lkjsfdl'hgjfl;'jhfljhlkfjghlkfjdhjfdhklfgjk]
07:15 <spidey> damn it
07:16 <spidey> fucking client hashing all those movies is causing the one i'm trying to watch to crash cause of the cpu cycle
07:16 <spidey> -_-
07:16 <guru3> hash hahaha
07:16 <spidey> ?
07:16 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
07:16 <spidey> hash
07:16 <spidey> only there's 57minutes left now
07:16 <guru3> can't open links
07:17 <spidey> the p2p client uses hash's
07:17 <spidey> example
07:17 <spidey> arlnk://hashlink
07:17 <guru3> i know
07:17 <spidey> that opens my p2p client and downloads a file :D
07:17 <guru3> doesn't keep me from laughing
07:17 <spidey> :p
07:18 <guru3> g2g now
07:18 <guru3> l8r
07:18 <spidey> cya
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07:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, now I've got to do the shit-work part...cleaning up and organizing my home directory and the shared directory, then setting up user quotas :/
07:46 <spidey> sounds fun
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's shit work.  :(
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> basically, first pull it all to my laptop, then organize it, then setup syncing my laptop's home and shared directory to the server
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's 2 home directory backups in there, too.  One from my laptop and a much older one
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
08:02 <GodTodd> a bit
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> what child of Amber would be best to use for a backup server?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> the main server is benedict, and my laptop is ghostwheel.  Who makes a good backup?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> my old laptop was Random, heh
08:05 <GodTodd> Julian maybe?
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard, hmmm
08:05 <GodTodd> or Gerard
08:05 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Julian would stab you in the back if he got pissed at you
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard wouldn't, though.  Yeah, I think the backup server should be gerard
08:06 <GodTodd> sounds good :)
08:06  * Lucifer_arma wonders if his wife is ever going to notice the naming convention on the computers
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> probably when my daughter's computer gets named Deirdre she'll start noticing :)
08:07 <GodTodd> heh
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> my old windows box that I kept around for awhile was named Flora becuase it was flaky, it ran windows so it was flaky
08:08 <spidey> nah
08:08 <spidey> i can turn a win98 box into one of the smoothest running systems you've seen
08:09 <spidey> my hp from 98 was 733mhz and 64mb ram,i had it running like this box which is 3times that in cpu and whatever in ram
08:10 <spidey> then my other grandma gave it to one of my uncles -_-
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then for no good reason it shows a prompt that says "Could not import message into folder", and makes you click ok to continue importing
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> a *smart* importer would just collect all that and tell me at the end, so I could go smoke or something while it ran
08:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: does that do anything different than split -d -l 500 armaglogs.txt?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you still kicking?  :)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I'm going to add a whole slew of articles to the website in a little bit, backlog I want to clear.  May as well put them in and have them show on the front page, what do you think?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> it'll push your article down pretty far..
08:58 <GodTodd> sure
08:58 <GodTodd> i got more stuff in the works anyway :)
09:04 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:07 <wrtlprnft> test to see if the new cronjob works. If it does this line should appear in http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2006-08-13.txt in 3 minutes
09:11 <wrtlprnft> didn't work, let's try again...
09:15 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it's updating
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #alias add realchatlogs "echo $who: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/"
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:17 <wrtlprnft> I hope spidey's gonna shut up now
09:20 <GodTodd> wishful thinking :)
09:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah >.<
09:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: 		<Value field="minimum" expr="-1*10" />
09:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: this just exits arma, looks like an uncaught exeption
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ok, didn't want to just toss it up there and make you mad.  :)  Most of it is stuff that's already run on other sites, mostly Newsforge and LWN
09:23 <GodTodd> heh...takes a lot to make me mad
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> some of it's already on the site, so I'll have to look around and make sure I'm not duplicating
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be at least a little annoyed if I got invited to write on a website, wrote an article, and then my buddy went and threw his backlog on there and washed the one I wrote back a page or two
09:24 <GodTodd> besides...the article i wrote is pretty bland...kind of a feet wetting thing
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> Some of them I'm probably just going to predate so they don't show up on the front page because I don't want them there right now
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still going through it all so I haven't made any real decisions.  Probably I'll stick 'em in moderation so you can take a look at them before they go public anyway.
09:25 <GodTodd> as long as none of it badmouths me i'm cool ;)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you'll probably like them.  It's not commentary for the most part, though, mostly how-tos and stuff.
09:26 <GodTodd> cool :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting a tad distracted reading them, heh.
09:26  * Lucifer_arma looks for his focus
09:26 <GodTodd> 250$ for 3 classes worth of books...sound decent?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 250/3
09:26 <armabot> 250 / 3 = 83.3333333
09:26 <GodTodd> keeping in mind that 2 of them are for trig and c++
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.  I was about to ask about that.  :)
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, english and history and stuff tend to be around $40, math and others $80+
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> down here, anyway
09:27 <GodTodd> yeah...sounds like what i was seeing :/
09:27 <GodTodd> fuckin' racket
09:27 <GodTodd> heh
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> my calc book was $150, but it covers 3 classes
09:28 <GodTodd> yeah...karen said that's the one i'll probably have to get
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> I could have bought a different book that covered calc 1 and 2 for $100, and then another book for calc 3 that was also $100
09:28 <GodTodd> when i get there
09:28 <GodTodd> thing is...i think i only have to go through calc 2
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, then you'll need to burn that bridge when you come to it.  :)
09:29 <GodTodd> yep
09:29 <GodTodd> :)
09:29 <GodTodd> i priced books at the bookstore, amazon and pj's
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> also check for hidden calc classes in other places.  Something like "Advanced differentiation for applications"
09:29 <GodTodd> i think i have to take diff eq
09:29 <GodTodd> eventually
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> blech.  I found the bookstore and the one across the street had the same prices, and I won't wait for shipping.
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> diff eq is a different textbook, afaik, for us
09:30 <GodTodd> yep...that's what i found too
09:30 <GodTodd> so i'll get what i can at the bookstore and what i can't get there i'll get at pj's :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> so have you started class already, or just getting ready and taking the chance on the bookstore ordering the wrong book?
09:30 <GodTodd> dunno yet
09:30 <GodTodd> classes start on the 28th
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you buy early enough, the bookstores are good about keeping shit in stock.
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, same here.  Class ends on Tuesday, not much of a break
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> I try to buy the first day.  I go to class, get the syllabus, then go straight to the bookstore and take the hit on waiting in line.
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09:32 <GodTodd> i tend to trust the right books being there because pj's and the bookstore had them the same....the only thing that would fuck me up is if they change during the short break ;)
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron, do you buy your textbooks before the semester starts or after?
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> nah, they won't change then, there's at least a semester of lead time on that stuff
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i buy them the day after the semester starts
09:32 <DrJoeTron> so i know what to buy
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the bookstore could order and recover quickly, but the departments need time
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> so you go to class and get the syllabus, then stand in line at the bookstore?
09:33 <DrJoeTron> close
09:33 <DrJoeTron> theres a college book store quarter mile up the road
09:33 <GodTodd> yeah...see...cccc has an online bookstore...you put in your semester, the dept, the class, and the section and it tells you the books you need
09:33 <DrJoeTron> last year i bought my books a weekbefore hand
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> my first semester I bought my textbooks a couple of days before the semester started, and the psych book was wrong, and one of the books I got for comp I wasn't used
09:34 <DrJoeTron> and then sold back what i didnt need
09:34 <DrJoeTron> see, its best to get the syllabus first
09:34 <DrJoeTron> ...but then you get caught in the rush
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, selling back is a loss, I had to give them back during the grace period where I could get a full refund
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> the rush doesn't seem too bad around here if you go in right after class.  I mean, in the between-class period the bookstore is pretty packed, but it clears out
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> you're only in line 20 minutes max
09:35 <GodTodd> my classes are at night :)
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> bookstore isn't open then?
09:35 <GodTodd> nope
09:35 <GodTodd> afaik anyway
09:36 <GodTodd> they may be on some fucked up summer hours right now
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> what about other bookstores?  Like joe mentioned, they tend to have competitors and stuff
09:36 <GodTodd> but as of right now they close at 7
09:36 <GodTodd> yeah...pj's around here
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> my experience is that fall hours are the longest run, spring next, and I've no idea what the summer hours are like
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, since I bought the big calc book I didn't need to buy a textbook for this summer
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll need 2 textbooks in the fall, US Gov and physics
09:37 <GodTodd> hell i just hope i didn't forget how to study
09:37 <GodTodd> heh
09:38 <DrJoeTron> no idea what i need yet
09:38 <DrJoeTron> i still have to see what to get
09:38 <GodTodd> 3 colleges and 13 years and still going for a BS....slow enough? :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> no idea what classes you're taking yet?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> im allready registered
09:39 <DrJoeTron> i just need to check out what i need to get for books
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so this is "play like I don't know what's going on" mode?  ;)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I'm also taking a drafting class, and I don't have any idea what supplies I'll need for that
09:39 <GodTodd> drafting stuff, i'd imagine :)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife found my win2k disc, so I wont' have to repartition my laptop if they require me to get autocad
09:39 <DrJoeTron> nah this is "gotta cram out a few more things before...shit i gotta get books" mode
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just run win2k in qemu :)
09:40 <DrJoeTron> io just got back from chicago
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> this is likely to be a fun semester for me :)
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you lived in chicago?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> i say that because its easier
09:40 <DrJoeTron> im like 10 minutes from it
09:40 <GodTodd> i'm tempted to dual boot linux on here so that i can prove to myself that i don't need windows :)
09:41 <GodTodd> it's like me saying i live in Dallas :)
09:41 <DrJoeTron> like i could walk to chicago
09:41 <DrJoeTron> but i dont live downtown
09:41 <DrJoeTron> though id love to
09:41 <DrJoeTron> beautiful city
09:42 <DrJoeTron> i just got back from an improv play
09:42 <DrJoeTron> To much light makes the baby go blind
09:42 <DrJoeTron> too*
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just like me saying I live in Austin, too
09:42 <GodTodd> yep
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> the only way you can prove you don't need windows is to single-boot linux :)
09:42 <DrJoeTron> its 30 plays in 1 hour
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...but i don't want to take that chance with school coming up...
09:43 <GodTodd> i'm chickenshit
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  I switched distributions during school :)
09:43 <GodTodd> yeah well...i r stoopid ;)
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I took the hit and installed linux on my laptop when I found Windows was turning me into an ADD kid
09:43 <DrJoeTron> i built a new pc durring school
09:43 <GodTodd> i built a new pc IN school :P
09:44 <DrJoeTron> windows doesnt take too long to load in
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> joe built himself a new robotic girlfriend the week before finals
09:44 <DrJoeTron> she left me for the toaster
09:44 <GodTodd> i blew up a pc once...for class
09:44 <GodTodd> it wasn't supposed to blow...but i'm good that way heh
09:45 <DrJoeTron> my family.....they were sad to see her leave
09:45 <DrJoeTron> mainly because she took the toaster
09:45 <GodTodd> i like toasters....they give good bread
09:45 <DrJoeTron> well...i mean toasters arent so great... :/
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a picture to make you all go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <DrJoeTron> if this is goatse
09:46 <GodTodd> i have a 5 month old...i got a shitload of those :)
09:46 <DrJoeTron> it wont make me go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/anthonybox.jpg
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> he was 3 in that picture, iirc
09:47 <DrJoeTron> now he is 26!
09:47 <DrJoeTron> my how they grow!
09:47 <GodTodd> well...dude...if ya need money....;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, he's just 6
09:47 <GodTodd> ;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, he did that on his own
09:47 <GodTodd> i know
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> his bedroom was like another 20 steps from there, with a nice bed on a frame and all, but he just climbed into the box instead
09:48 <GodTodd> that's kids
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> I took the picture, and then took him out of the box and carried him to bed
09:48 <DrJoeTron> looks like he's low matenance
09:49 <GodTodd> when i was a kid we didn't even *have* boxes
09:49 <GodTodd> heh
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> hell, we didn't even have a floor
09:50 <GodTodd> in La Luz....probably not :)
09:53 <GodTodd> this is the trip when tommy decided it might be cool to be an astronaut :)
09:53 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/tommyspacemodule.jpg
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> and not just any astronaut, that's a genuine Mercury capsule there
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> not a replica, that fucker went to space
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I could be talking out my ass
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> did you tell him that to fly in a Mercury capsule he has to have a genie?
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> err, or did that guy fly in the Gemini program?
09:56 <GodTodd> not sure
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> the show was made in the 70s, wasn't it?  Which would have been the Apollo program
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> but he only went orbital, Apollo was moon
09:58 <DrJoeTron> alright
09:58 <DrJoeTron> bed time
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it's probably just a fictional program
09:58 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
09:58 <GodTodd> '65-'70
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> 'night DrJoeTron 
09:59 <GodTodd> nite joe
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> 65-70 would be Apollo, too
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> the moonshot was in 69
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but that would have been Apollo's orbital period, building up to the moonshot
09:59  * Lucifer_arma will put his paper on the subject on the website in a bit
10:01 <GodTodd> heh
10:06 <GodTodd> apparently they show him doing mercury, gemini and apollo
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> really?
10:08 <GodTodd> yep
10:08 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> the show ran that long?  Or they just wanted to model him after Gus Grissom?
10:08 <GodTodd> Wally Shirra actually
10:08 <GodTodd> only astronaut to actually fly all 3
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, hmmm
10:15  * Lucifer_arma forgets
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> Gus Grissom flew Mercury and Gemini, but he got killed during Apollo
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> he might have been in the capsule that burned up on the launchpad, hence he was an Apollo astronaut but didn't fly
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think Mercury for the jeanie guy just because the cartoon at the beginning shows him as the single crewmember on the capsule :)
10:18 <GodTodd> yah...gus grissom died in apollo 1
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> almost finished reorganizing myself
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to settle some permissions, though
10:27 <wrtlprnft> is the wiki still down?
10:28 <wrtlprnft> betw I did notice the wiki went down yesterday, but i didn't say anything as you complained the last time
10:28 <GodTodd> welp...naptime for me...
10:28 <GodTodd> #night
10:28 <wrtlprnft> about the fact that i told you it wasn't woking like 20 seconds after you broke it
10:28 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
10:28 <wrtlprnft> night GodTodd 
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, wasn't complaining last time, was surprised someone noticed that quickly
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no, wiki's back up again, explanation and apology on the forum
10:30 <wrtlprnft> you sounded kinda annoyed about it ;)
10:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i can't reach it :S
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> nah.  Just another case where typed messages don't always come off as intended.  :/
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's responding for me...
10:31 <wrtlprnft> ah, it works now
10:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like opera had so many requests to the wiki in queue that weren't responding that the new ones didn't come through
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha
10:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6068 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/AUTHORS: davidfancella is an administrator, so he may receive spam too :P
10:42 <wrtlprnft> guru3, z-man and davidfancella are the Administrators, any spam goes to them.
10:42  * wrtlprnft laughts at Lucifer_arma 
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *laughs
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://armagetronad.net/contacts.php seems to be borked
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  I told unison to ignore flightgear, but it's scanning that directory anyway.  I guess it has to scan it and get a list of files in it before it can ignore it.
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's 13 GB I really don't need synchronized :/
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what is the library that plays music in arma?
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ty
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> np
11:43 <wrtlprnft> if it decides to play it for a change ;)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting tired of watching latitude/longitude going across my screen :(
11:46 <wrtlprnft> watch something else?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I knew it wasn't supposed to scan the directory if it was ignoring it
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiping out all previous backups
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> ack, the long part.  :(
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not waiting 94 minutes for this to finish, I'll just have to check in the morning to see if it did it right
12:28 <wrtlprnft> good night i guess
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> #night
12:40 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
13:00 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#extensions
13:00 <wrtlprnft> For example, negative-root-two, to 32 significant figures, would be -1.4142135623730950488016887242097e0, the radius of the earth given in furlongs, to an arbitrary precision, would be 3.17e4, and the answer to the life, the universe and everything could be any of (amongst others) 42, 0042.000, 42e0, 4.2e1, or 420e-1.
13:00 <wrtlprnft> lol @42
13:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
13:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: #realchatlogs
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
13:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
13:11 <spidey> o.O
13:12 <wrtlprnft> i made it split by date, not line count
13:12 <spidey> ah
13:12 <wrtlprnft> otherwise I could have used split -l 500 :P
13:13 <spidey> ;p
13:15 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/splitlogs.txt <-- you can learn something there :P
13:16 <spidey> cool
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13:57 <jnmbk> hi, I want to translate this amazing game into my language (Turkish), where should I begin ?
13:58 <jnmbk> is there any document about translating?
14:02 <jnmbk> ok, I see, it's simpler than I thought. I'll just translate english_base.txt...
14:03 <wrtlprnft> yep
14:04 <wrtlprnft> send us the result :)
14:06 <jnmbk> I will ;) (it may take a few weeks to finish 2700/3=900 lines completely)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's lots of strings :s
14:37 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can I use UTF-8?
14:38 <jnmbk> we have some different characters like ?????? ??????
14:39 <jnmbk> without dots they look like cosigu COSIGU
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: unfortunately not
15:36 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can i use these? ??
15:37 <jnmbk> these chars are in german charset too
15:37 <jnmbk> only 2 of them
15:37 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: my IRC client uses latin-1
15:37 <wrtlprnft> you can use everything in latin-1
15:37 <jnmbk> ok
15:38 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1#Code_table <-- you can use all of these
15:38 <jnmbk> it includes ? & ?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> can't see those chars if you write them in IRC
15:39 <wrtlprnft> at least i can't
15:39 <jnmbk> ah, wait i'll switch to iso 8859-1
15:41 <jnmbk> ??
15:41 <wrtlprnft> hmm, just looking up in wikipedia since i don't speak turkish
15:41 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: still can't see it
15:41 <jnmbk> ok, I cant use this konversation :)
15:41 <wrtlprnft> latin-1 does have the C with a cedile
15:42 <wrtlprnft> but not the G with the inverse circumflexe
15:42 <jnmbk> and it includes o with dots on it
15:42 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and the U, as those are german chars
15:42 <wrtlprnft> not the S though
15:43 <wrtlprnft> and not those I without dot
15:43 <wrtlprnft> you'd need latin-3 I think
15:43 <jnmbk> and are you planning to go utf-8 some time?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-3
15:44 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: yeah, somewhere in the future
15:44 <wrtlprnft> infact i started a branch with some UTF-8 code, but noone did anything with it, so it's still unfinished
15:44 <jnmbk> ok, then I'll write in utf-8 and convert non-standart chars
15:44 <jnmbk> after it's done...
15:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, post both files then :)
15:45 <wrtlprnft> so once we support UTF-8 we can just switch files
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16:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you try to debug it? My guess would be a bug handling the unary minus
16:01 <luke-jr_> I haven't tested that
16:03 <wrtlprnft> i thought i'd leave debuging to you as you know the code :P
16:03 <wrtlprnft> and gdb won't show anything as arma exits regulary to it
16:04 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, the exit doesn't happen at parsing time
16:04 <luke-jr_> sounds more like an uncaught non-exception, then =p
16:04 <wrtlprnft> it happens the first time the computed value is requested
16:05 <luke-jr_> eg, a null pointer or such
16:05 <luke-jr_> we need a way to dump a tValue tree to stderr
16:05 <luke-jr_> to examine it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> sure, add the needed functions :P
16:06 <wrtlprnft> you'd just need to define a virtual extraction operator to tValue
16:06 <wrtlprnft> no, a virtual extraction function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> and a non-virtual extraction operator that calls that function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> look at tCoord to see how it's done
16:07 <luke-jr_> I don't want to add it to every class :p
16:07 <luke-jr_> tho I guess only base classes would need it
16:07 <wrtlprnft> you need to if you want it to output something useful
16:07 <wrtlprnft> at least all classes that have child elements would need to
16:09 <luke-jr_> too bad there's no way to link with the debugger and tell it to dump the object's variables
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure there is one
16:12 <luke-jr_> what was the expression you had a problem with?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> -1*10
16:12 <wrtlprnft> but 1*10 does the same
16:13 <wrtlprnft> infact, 10 does too
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6069 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: unary minus needs a higher precedence
16:13 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<AtomicData field="source" source="player_acceleration" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<Value field="minimum" expr="10" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> 		<AtomicData field="maximum" source="0" />
16:15 <luke-jr_> must be something with the XML or Set
16:15 <luke-jr_> 	vValue::Expr::Core::Base *test = vValue::Parser::parse(tString("10"));
16:15 <luke-jr_> 	std::cerr << "test: " << test->GetValue() << std::endl;
16:15 <luke-jr_> no problem with that
16:16 <luke-jr_> I don't like the syntax Value element is using anyway =p
16:17 <wrtlprnft> why even use a separate value element?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, ignore that crash
16:17 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be graphics related
16:17 <luke-jr_> IMO, it'd be nicer if XML syntax could be mixed with non-XML
16:17 <luke-jr_> 1 + 3 * <...>
16:17 <luke-jr_> eg
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it crashes without a cockpit file
16:18 <wrtlprnft> sorry to bother you
16:19 <luke-jr_> lol
16:19 <luke-jr_> so you mean move "field" attribute to a generic element and have XML-expressions optionally within that?
16:20 <luke-jr_> fine by me =p
16:20 <luke-jr_> not sure on how to mix the XML in with non-XML tho
16:20 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess you could just make it a mixed element
16:20 <wrtlprnft> so you write <Value>5+<somexml /></Value
16:20 <wrtlprnft> >
16:21 <luke-jr_> perhaps insert some non-printable placeholder in the bytestream in place of the XML expression
16:21 <luke-jr_> eg, (char)5
16:21 <luke-jr_> and have the parser translate that to "pop an already-made expression object off some stack"
16:22 <luke-jr_> I'm not sure I'd know how to insert the placeholder tho
16:22 <wrtlprnft> well
16:22 <wrtlprnft> we could run through the contents of the xml node of the <Value>
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's a "text" element, add it to some string to be parsed later
16:23 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's an xml element, parse it, add the resulting tValue to some std::queue and a placeholder to the string
16:23 <wrtlprnft> and then pass it to the parsing code
16:24 <luke-jr_> not a deque?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> do you need a double- ended queue?
16:24 <luke-jr_> well, you'd push the values on the back
16:24 <luke-jr_> and the parser'd pop em off the front
16:24 <luke-jr_> o.o
16:24 <luke-jr_> dunno
16:24 <luke-jr_> what's a queue do?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> exactly that
16:24 <luke-jr_> ok
16:24 <wrtlprnft> and just that
16:24 <luke-jr_> one possible problem
16:24 <luke-jr_> can't be sure of popping order :x
16:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:25 <luke-jr_> eg, parenthesis and precedence and such
16:25 <wrtlprnft> you might also make a std::map<int, BasePtr>
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and somehow number the placeholders
16:25 <luke-jr_> the parser uses Base* internally XD
16:25 <luke-jr_> yes, could easilly number them
16:26 <luke-jr_> (char 5) followed by a cast pointer perhaps
16:27 <wrtlprnft> whatever suits your needs
16:28 <wrtlprnft> then you could have the parser just accept a tXmlParser::node
16:28 <luke-jr_> ?
16:29 <luke-jr_> oh, maybe :x
16:29 <luke-jr_> would make testing it more difficult tho
16:29 <wrtlprnft> do whatever works
16:29 <luke-jr_> unless I did seperate subclasses for XML and tString
16:30 <luke-jr_> anyway, I GTG
16:30 <wrtlprnft> I don't know about tValue internals anymore anyways :P
16:30 <wrtlprnft> cya
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17:37 <wrtlprnft> woo!
17:37 <wrtlprnft> my 3D accel is fixed!
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17:50 <wrtlprnft> again from http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/
17:50 <wrtlprnft> > The off value means that the control's input data is either particularily sensitive (for example the activation code for a nuclear weapon)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> nice examples they have
17:51 <wrtlprnft> interesting read though.
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19:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6070 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: common testing ground
20:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what does that message mean?...
20:08 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that I committed the common testing ground
20:08 <luke-jr_> :)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i see it now
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, i fixed my graphics now, and arma doesn't crash anymore
20:10 <wrtlprnft> so, how exactly do I add functions available to my cockpit?
20:14 <luke-jr_> first, you make the subclass for it
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vCore.h for the base classes
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vRegistry.h to registry it
20:15 <luke-jr_> register*
20:16 <luke-jr_> in the class's .cpp file, put something like
20:16 <wrtlprnft> what about putting some sample code somewhere or document it on the wiki?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> ph wants to do the same, so you'll probably save time
20:17 <luke-jr_> tools/values/veLogic.cpp/h work fine as examples
20:17 <luke-jr_> the condition is registered as the iff function
20:18 <luke-jr_> Registration register_iff("func\nlogic", "iff", 3, (Registration::fptr)
20:18 <luke-jr_> 							( ctor::a3* )& Creator<Condition>::create<BasePtr,BasePtr,BasePtr> );
20:18 <luke-jr_> you'd change the logic flag to cockpit
20:18 <luke-jr_> 3 and a3 are # of arguments
20:18 <luke-jr_> as is the count of BasePtrs
20:19 <luke-jr_> 'Condition' is the class
20:19 <luke-jr_> iff is the function name
20:19 <wrtlprnft> let me fix the DTDs first...
20:20 <luke-jr_> you'll need to prefix everything with vValue too, unless you put using namespace vValue
20:20 <luke-jr_> and using namespace vValue::Registry
20:20 <wrtlprnft> where is the rule that puts cockpit-0.3.0.dtd into included/AATeam?
20:20 <luke-jr_> no clue
20:20 <wrtlprnft> because i only see one dtd, and that's cockpit.dtd
20:20 <wrtlprnft> and greping for cockpit-0.0.3.dtd doesn't turn up anything useful
20:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: umm, looks like DTDs DO have a way to specify their path
20:24 <wrtlprnft> <!-- version="0.3.0" -->
20:24 <luke-jr_> that's not standardized
20:24 <luke-jr_> it just assists the build tool
20:24 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is read by sortresources.py
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20:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6071 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.0.dtd cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd): Fixed versions: cockpit-0.3.0.dtd is reverted to the state it was in when 0.3.0 was released, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd contains the changes made since then.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:35 <wrtlprnft> why is cockpit.dtd still there?! I used svn move!
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6072 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/cockpit.dtd: This file was supposed to be moved, looks like it's still there for some reason... DIE!
20:37 <luke-jr_> you know, cockpit.dtd is supposed to exist
20:37 <luke-jr_> unversioned resources are used in Svn
20:37 <luke-jr_> cuz as soon as you assign a version, it can't have any more changes
20:38 <luke-jr_> unless you bump the version too
20:38 <wrtlprnft> then you make it cockpit-0.3.1-b.dtd?!
20:38 <luke-jr_> then you have way too many versions?
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and what do i do with that version= comment?
20:39 <luke-jr_> dunno
20:39 <luke-jr_> ask the guys who wrote sortresources
20:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6073 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd cockpit.dtd): Ok, half- reverted the change: cockpit.dtd exists again, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd is dead.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> now we have cockpit.dtd and cockpit-0.3.0.dtd
20:43 <wrtlprnft> using namespace vValue;
20:43 <wrtlprnft> oops
20:45 <wrtlprnft> wait, there's no way to just "link to" a simple function?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> ie as callback, not as tValue child
20:46 <luke-jr_> sure
20:46 <luke-jr_> use the C bindings
20:46 <luke-jr_> see veMath
20:47 <luke-jr_> it does it with sin
20:47 <wrtlprnft> too many files :X
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21:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: figure everything out good?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Well, I'm still pondering
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or hesitant to change all the callbacks
21:50 <wrtlprnft> they can't be class members anymore, right?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> like the old tValue::Callback
21:51 <luke-jr_> I don't know how that worked
21:52 <wrtlprnft> well
21:52 <wrtlprnft> Callback keeps a pointer to the instance of the class and the function pointer
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and then calls the function for the class
21:53 <wrtlprnft> TheClassPointer->(*TheFunctionPointer)();
21:53 <luke-jr_> oh, like I said-- the C binding
21:54 <luke-jr_> Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<float, FunctionPtr>
21:54 <luke-jr_> presuming the return type is float
21:55 <wrtlprnft> but tValue::Callback stores a pointer to an instance of the class
21:56 <luke-jr_> why?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> because the function needs to be called for that instance
21:57 <wrtlprnft> as it uses private members
21:57 <wrtlprnft> private non-static members, that is
21:57 <luke-jr_> so...?
21:57 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6074 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): Made some member functions that should be const.
21:57 <luke-jr_> use &instance.function instead of &class::function
21:58 <luke-jr_> or doesn't that work?
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6075 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
21:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:58 <luke-jr_> hm
21:58 <wrtlprnft> function pointers don't store the instance
21:58 <wrtlprnft> you need the pointer and the instance
21:58 <luke-jr_> o
21:58 <luke-jr_> well, it shouldn't be too hard to implement
21:59 <luke-jr_> perhaps called CppFunction =p
21:59 <wrtlprnft> needless to say the class instance doesn't exist at global construction time
21:59 <luke-jr_> that would probably be a problem
21:59 <wrtlprnft> get a . operator :)
22:00  * luke-jr_ ponders
22:00 <wrtlprnft> then you could say closestPlayer().speed()
22:00 <luke-jr_> yes
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6076 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6064 to 6075:
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6075 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:58:04 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <luke-jr_> I think that really needs DCT
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6074 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:57:23 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCZ
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCT
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> gah
22:00 <luke-jr_> Dynamic Config Tree
22:01 <wrtlprnft> heh, that thing z-man just committed was a fix for the problem I put onto the forums!
22:01 <luke-jr_> more or less, exporting objects and their variables such that it can be used as a config
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <wrtlprnft> well, good luck i guess
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i guess z-man is about to commit another fix quite soon, according to his post
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #wtf wtf
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
22:08 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it works
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Google and Unix plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (unix spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell dpreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell depreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think i killed it
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> u got pwnd!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i guess i pwnd myself
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft got pwnd by wrtlprnft
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb armabot 
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:11 <wrtlprnft> armabot got pwnd by me
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #wb armabot 
22:11 <wrtlprnft> #hello armabot 
22:11 <armabot> Hello wrtlprnft :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #183: || filesystem not big enough for Jumbo Kernel Patch
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #hello
22:11 <armabot> Hello [Xpert]DarkStar :) Random Fortune: /* These are the most dangerous and useful defines. They do printk() during || * the interrupt processing routine(s), so if you manage to get "flooded" by || * irq's, start thinking about the "Power off/on" button... || */ || linux-2.2.16/drivers/sbus/char/aurora.h
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /sbus/
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so only old sparc machines affected ><
22:12 <wrtlprnft> version 2.2 :P
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> didn't even look at that
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh yeah
22:13 <wrtlprnft> those fortunes are all kinda old :S
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (something completely different)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #help fortune
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (fortune takes no arguments) -- Returns a fortune from the *nix fortune program.
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guess who was on a concert with his girlfriend on friday evening
22:13 <wrtlprnft> you can't even pass params to it? lame!
22:15 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwn
22:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
22:16  * luke-jr_ pwn'd it
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> seems like it dun like spell :P
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22:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [f]
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell hi
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #ping
22:17 <armabot> pong
22:17 <wrtlprnft> haha :P
22:20 <wrtlprnft> > Authors must not do this. User agent implementors may curse authors who violate these rules, and may persecute them to the full extent allowed by applicable international law.
22:20 <wrtlprnft> i'd love to persecute someone for writing invalid HTML/WebForms20
22:21 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#handling
22:21 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwnu
22:21 <luke-jr_> #ping
22:21 <armabot> pong
22:21 <luke-jr_> #echo [ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping]
22:21 <Compn1> lol
22:21 <armabot> pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong
22:21 <Compn1> someone asked what the difference between owned and pwned was
22:21 <Compn1> that was funny
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22:46 <GodTodd> ok...i feel stupid now....how do i burn an iso into a bootable cd?
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <luke-jr_> the same way you normally burn an iso
22:47 <spidey> lmao
22:48 <GodTodd> well...that's helpful
22:49 <spidey> ?
22:49 <GodTodd> nvm i'll figure it out
22:49 <luke-jr_> well, you didn't give enough details for anything more specific
22:49 <spidey> windows or linux?
22:49 <luke-jr_> like what OS you're using, for a start
22:49 <luke-jr_> and what program you burn CDs with
22:50 <spidey> http://members.home.nl/lsnoek/iso.htm
22:50 <GodTodd> you could just say that instead of being smartassed about it
22:50 <spidey> what?? huh??
22:50 <spidey> that's luke-jr_ what you expect :p
22:51 <luke-jr_> well, I gave you a general answer
22:51 <luke-jr_> which would have been fine if your question was specifically about bootable ISOs
23:00 <wrtlprnft> "The method for burning ISO images is defined by the operating environment of the user, any user wishing to burn an ISO is expected to contact the maintainer of the operating environment in use for details"
23:03  * wrtlprnft loves reading specifications
23:03 <wrtlprnft> exept for a few funny passages they're as tasty as eating flour.
23:11 <luke-jr_> Gentoo's freeciv ebuild sucks
23:11 <luke-jr_> it's like the old arma one
23:12 <wrtlprnft> the new baselayout is nice :)
23:12 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
23:12 <luke-jr_> pong
23:12 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: which one?
23:12 <spidey> pm
23:12 <wrtlprnft> DHCP is finally backgrounded
23:13 <wrtlprnft> well, the one that was just unmasked
23:13 <luke-jr_> lol
23:13 <luke-jr_> my network config just doesn't even try if there's no cable plugged into the port ;)
23:13 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   ... done!
23:13 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.4-r2  USE="-bootstrap -build -static -unicode" 0 kB 
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
23:13 <wrtlprnft> that was the result of /exec -o emerge -pv baselayout
23:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it's just that DHCP takes quite a while here even if it succeeds
23:14 <GodTodd> thank you spidey, that link worked great :)
23:15  * wrtlprnft is tempted to say /exec -o emerge -epv world
23:22  * Lucifer_arma is running the first backup in his new backup plan
23:24 <wrtlprnft> didn't you do that last night?
23:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: how do you play freeciv?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> start a server, then start a client and connect to that server?
23:25 <luke-jr_> then do what
23:27 <wrtlprnft> #google howto play freeciv
23:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.56 seconds: Freeciv for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 ( January 23, 2003 ): <http://old.freeciv.org/windows/>; FreeCiv Tools & Toys: <http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/bdbryant/freeciv/>; Gaming Central [Archive] - Page 3 - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-93-p-3.html>; freeciv July 2000: <http://lists.complete.org/freeciv@freeciv.org/2000/07/index.html.gz>; OE Forums (2 more messages)
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im almost convinced that there are two tna's
23:29 <wrtlprnft> track their IPs?
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23:29 <DrJoeTron> its on aim
23:29 <DrJoeTron> :/
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23:47 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nah, what I did last night was use unison to synchronize a couple of directories on my laptop to my server
23:48 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:48  * Lucifer_arma is questioning the usefulness of backing up all of /var now
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> and they're right, unison is very fast after the first sync, and you're safe to put it in a cronjob after that
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <spidey> my uncle wants me to drive his car back
23:50 <DrJoeTron> WOW
23:50 <DrJoeTron> DRIVING A CAR!?
23:50 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:50 <DrJoeTron> :p
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> what's a car?
23:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:50 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:51 <DrJoeTron> now i cant help but think HYDROOOO THUNDER!!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> TIME EXTENDED!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> rdiff-backup is also very fast after the first run, the damn first runs are killing me, though
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:53 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:54 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i don't have a license
23:54 <DrJoeTron> go get one
23:54 <spidey> so if i get busted there goes my chance of getting one till i'm about 21 :p
23:54 <Your_mom_arma> you could pull the car there
23:54 <DrJoeTron> hope ya dont drive like a shmuck "D
23:54 <spidey> if it was around here sure
23:55 <spidey> maybe even from town
23:55 <spidey> but the car is 40 miles away
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:55 <spidey> -_-
23:55 <spidey> no we're taking me grandmas car to get his
23:55 <spidey> but noone to drive his home
23:55 <spidey> so he wants me to
23:56 <spidey> fuck it,if i get caught i'm blaming mom :p
23:56 <spidey> bbl
23:56 <Your_mom_arma> i still think you could pull it home, its just a question of time
23:56 <spidey> no
23:57 <spidey> we don't have a towbar
23:57 <spidey> and using chains is illegal
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> no i mean oul it by yourself, no mechanical help
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> pull*
23:57 <spidey> you mean push?
23:57 <spidey> as in walk behind it
23:58 <spidey> cause you're crazy if you do :p
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> well then you'ld need someone to steer
23:58 <spidey> haha
23:58 <spidey> you mean
23:58 <spidey> 1 car pull it?
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
23:58 <spidey> or use a trailor
23:58 <spidey> well we don't have a towbar
23:58 <spidey> so we can't
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> i mean pull the car 40 miles with your hands
23:59 <spidey> oh hell no
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:59 <spidey> i'll give you $5 to do it ;x
23:59 <spidey> anyways bbl

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