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Log from 2006-08-12:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 12 2006
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ, how long have I had these pants?!?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I got part way down my stitching to close up the hole and realized I was stitching over a previous repair job
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to recommend dockers pretty highly for pants, I must have done this previous repair job over 3 years ago
00:09 <DrJoeTron> new metalocolypse
00:10 <spidey> yay
00:10 <spidey> done and now my life will be much easier
00:11 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
00:15 <luke-jr_> what do you all think of http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/website ?
00:16 <spidey> the colors don't match
00:16 <spidey> besides that looks good :D
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> pastel
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bah.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bzflag sucks!
00:18 <wrtlprnft> don't host it
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> make a note saying us dollars only you dont want someone sending you 5000 rupels
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, he does want someone sending 5000 pounds
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5000 pounds in USD
00:21 <armabot> 5,000 British pounds = 9,509.5 U.S. dollars
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 currency of turkey in usd
00:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:21 <Your_mom_arma> commented out on the page ;-) <li class="note">** Subject to additional charges</li>
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 turkish lira in usd
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized all of my pants are dockers.  No wonder they're all old, when they rip, I fix them, and keep on wearing them
00:22 <armabot> 5,000 Turkish lira = 3,448.03807 U.S. dollars
00:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
00:22 <wrtlprnft> that's wrong
00:22 <wrtlprnft> turkish lira are worth, like, noting
00:22 <wrtlprnft> *nothing
00:22 <wrtlprnft> 1 million is about a dollar
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm going to patch beige pants with black material :)
00:23 <wrtlprnft> > On January 1, 2005 a new currency, the Yeni T�rk Liras? (YTL, ISO 4217: TRY), was introduced to Turkey. The currency was revalued and is worth 1,000,000 old Lira.
00:23 <wrtlprnft> ah, so they changed it
00:23 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Lira
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 rupees in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1,000 Pakistan rupees = 16.5884521 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1 Old Turkish lira = 6.89607613 * 10^(-7) U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> hah
00:25 <wrtlprnft> that's the right value
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 5,000 Old Turkish liras = 0.00344803807 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 eur in trl
00:25 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.86352351 million Old Turkish liras
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i'm multimillionaire!
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 loonie in USD
00:30 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in USD
00:30 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 0.89198109 U.S. dollars
00:31 <Vanhayes> not bad
00:32 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in yen
00:32 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 102.702703 Japanese yen
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: i probably won't
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it crashes my PC
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and eats bandwidth
00:43 <wrtlprnft> it sucks and is cheatable
00:43 <wrtlprnft> all the game physics happen on the clients
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ie you can teleport your tank, the server doesn't care
00:43 <wrtlprnft> you can not die after being shot, the server won't care
00:44 <spidey> wtf
00:44 <spidey> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class aap_master in /home/acid/public_html/server/aap_master.php on line 29
00:44 <spidey> both scrips are identical
00:44 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:44 <spidey> :-s
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> weee.  I woke up this morning with 1 good pair of pants, now I have 4
00:45 <spidey> weird
00:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/server/server2.php
00:45 <spidey> it works there
00:45 <spidey> :s
00:47 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/forum.php
00:47 <spidey> wrtlprnft, any ideas? :s
00:47 <spidey> it works untill i include
00:48 <spidey> although i included both scripts the exact same
00:48 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like you're including the file twice
00:49 <wrtlprnft> use include_once instead of include
00:50 <spidey> i'm including aap_master and aap_serverinfo in 2 different files
00:50 <wrtlprnft> you don't need aap_master at all
00:50 <wrtlprnft> and just use include_once everywhere, then you'll be safe
00:51 <spidey> ok
00:51 <spidey> thanks :D
00:52 <wrtlprnft> yw
00:55 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:55 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:31 <Lucifer_arma> require_once() will cause an error if the file can't be found, include_once only gives a warning, and if your host has warnings disabled you won't see it
01:32 <spidey> i could make it produce a error
01:32 <spidey> if the files not there,but that's not the problem
01:32 <spidey> :s
01:33 <spidey> anyways i got it all now
01:33 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
01:35 <spidey> my site comes to a huge 83kb
01:35 <spidey> :D
01:35 <spidey> that's everything except the forums
01:50 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
01:50 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> 01:34 <Your_mom<font size="3">_arma> cannibalism cures obesity</font>
02:01 <spidey> lol
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> how many days in that chat log?
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02:11 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Unable to download feed.
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03:06 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have 6 pairs of pants now.  :)
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04:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6066 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: a <=> b -- Expr::Comparison::Compare
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
05:55 <DrJoeTron> stupid alt tab breaking arma
06:00 <GodTodd> i'm here...was leaving a dump
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06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6067 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp:
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Add a missing include
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Uncomment code that somebody apparently decided to take the liberty to comment out :/
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: (so Arma compiles)
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> aha
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> um, I just added the filebrowser component, not sure where to put it in the menu
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/filebrowser
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> for stuff that's publicly available, of course.  :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm about to take the server down for a bit, need to repartition the hard drive it's on so I can finish setting up my backup system
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> might improve performance, too.  Switching to reiserfs, which is supposed to be a faster filesystem than ext3 (which is already faster than ntfs anyway)
06:13 <GodTodd> ok
06:13 <GodTodd> i had a quick question for when i post some free fiction
06:14 <GodTodd> is there going to be a separate menu item for them?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question, I've been thinking about the same problem with music
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, having no answer is the reason I haven't done it yet :)
06:16 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> So, in the taxonomy, there's a spot for music, but no spot for literature
06:16 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:16 <GodTodd> that's odd
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> seems like you should go ahead and add some terms to the Articles taxonomy for your free fiction, but that doesn't settle downloadable free fiction, it only settles what people will read on the site
06:16 <GodTodd> thing is, i'm assuming that your stories that are already posted are more or less autobiographical...not really fiction
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> they are indeed autobiographical, and fiction shouldn't be bundled with them
06:16 <GodTodd> that's what i figured
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, that part of the taxonomy needs to be rethought a bit.  "My stories"?  Whose are they?  They're mine, but where do you put them?
06:17 <GodTodd> right
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if you want to write some autobiographical stuff that's the same, where would *you* put it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Maybe add a "Stories" term to the root of Articles, and then put "fiction" and "nonfiction" under it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> then move and rename "My Stories" to nonfiction->Dave's Stories ?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and create Todd's Stories?  :)
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...that's going to be a sticking point on the one i'm just about finished with...it's more along the lines of your stories...a snapshot of a fucked up life ;)
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> organize fiction by genre, of course
06:18 <GodTodd> that might work
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...i suck at telling genre :)
06:19 <GodTodd> other than broad terms
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> you want to take a crack at doing the taxonomy changes?  Practice, you know.... ;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i mean...i know fantasy from scifi from suspense...but, ya know...;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i can but try :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  Luckily we can associate a work with several articles, so the sticking point on genre doesn't apply here.  :)
06:19 <GodTodd> right
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, several terms I mean
06:20 <GodTodd> yep
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I gave you write permissions to /www/home/public so you can put stuff there if you need to.  Consider it soft right now and you can reorganize what's there if you need to, but it should be put in a final spot by the end of the month
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's not for files attached to articles!  It's for stuff that doesn't really belong with an article at all, like class notes.  :)  Next semester I have another class I'll be taking notes with my laptop in,
06:24 <GodTodd> ah
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to have it setup so I can post for my classmates again.  Been seeing entries in the log, feeling bad because the school site has been down for a bit.  :(
06:24 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <GodTodd> ok...we
06:27 <GodTodd> 're adding the term "stories", correct?
06:28 <GodTodd> to parent <root>?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> to the Articles category, I forget what the top-level form of the taxonomy is called :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> might be called "taxonomy", heh
06:32 <GodTodd> https://www.davefancella.com/admin/taxonomy/4/add/term <-- am i in the right place at least? :)
06:32 <GodTodd> cuz i don't see articles...
06:33 <GodTodd> err...well i guess this is the add term for articles....so i assume <root> is articles...heh
06:34 <GodTodd> any related terms...or leave that alone?
06:40 <GodTodd> ok...kind of like that?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> looks good to me
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> sorry about the pause, I was out smoking a cigarette :)
06:41 <GodTodd> np
06:41 <GodTodd> now...how do we do the "dave's stories" "todd's stories" thing?....more terms or just moving files?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'll move my stories, you just create "Todd Stories"
06:42 <GodTodd> as a term under the fiction/nonfiction terms?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Todd's Stories should have nonfiction as its parent
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you refresh the page that lists terms, you'll see how I put Dave's Stories there
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> also, since I just reparented and renamed My Stories, all the stories linked to it retained their link.  :)  That's important.
06:44 <GodTodd> cool
06:44 <GodTodd> now...are we splitting the fiction one too or am i going solo on fiction? heh
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to change the default workflow for Story nodes, btw.  I want to change them to moderated and have an email sent to both of us when that happens.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're on your own for fiction, but I'd suggest going ahead and creating the genre you have now
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> also, make sure when you post a story under the Stories branch that you multi-link it to its parents.  Drupal doesn't automatically check children.
06:45 <GodTodd> just a broad one?  i've started a suspense serial story
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you click on non-fiction right now, it's empty.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> serial?  So there'll be more stories in the universe?
06:46 <GodTodd> so...that means list parents as todd's stories, nonfiction and stories?
06:46 <GodTodd> well...ummm...hmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should have a "Series" whose parent is Stories, and then a term for each series that you write
06:46 <GodTodd> it's a continuation story
06:47 <GodTodd> kind of like a book a chapter at a time except its just a long story
06:47 <GodTodd> not a book
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to look over the book module for this, and nodequeue, but in the meantime, here's what I think :)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> make the genre link with the parent Fiction.  So Fiction->Suspense
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series with the parent Stories
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series->YourSeriesName
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> and link the first article to YourSeriesName, Series, Suspense, and Fiction, and each subsequent story you write in that series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> that way users can browse suspense and find them, fiction, and they can browse by series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> under the assumption that there will be more, but to be honest, I'll probably start throwing up some fiction myself when there's structure in place for it :)
06:49 <GodTodd> so...series directly under stories? not fiction?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> right, directly under stories
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> we might have non-fiction series, after all :)
06:50 <GodTodd> true :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> and we won't be lying to anybody, because in the summary page for Series, each story lists all of the terms its linked to, so they'll see that the story is fiction, suspense
06:50 <GodTodd> ok
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> all of my old stories need to be updated to reflect their new path in the taxonomy, though.  I'll take care of it, but it won't be right this minute.
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if drupal crawled children in its listings, though.  :/
06:51 <GodTodd> definitely
06:51 <GodTodd> now...the tree look kind of ok?
06:51 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <GodTodd> i haven't posted it yet, obviously...but it should slide right in there
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it looks good to me
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Series shouldn't go any deeper for quite some time.  It would be better to create a new series rather than create a sub-series right now.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Also, include series that have books in them, and put at least an excerpt from the book, like the first chapter.  Then include a link in the excerpt to the item in the store.  :)
06:56 <GodTodd> hrmm?
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> same eerywhere, really.  So the book I read last spring (or whenever it was) should get a spot in here too, but don't get in too much of a hurry with it yet,
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> we still need to work out how we'll do the format conversions.  :)
06:57 <GodTodd> yeah...there's a couple chapters i need to add to it anyway ;)
06:58 <GodTodd> how would you link it to the store product? like with the unc?  the /node whatever of the product?
06:58 <GodTodd> or is there like a lil checkbox? heh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's no checkbox.  Right now you'd do it by hand in the text.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the reasons I said not to get in too much of a hurry with it.  :)  We'll solve that problem with the music, since the music's ready to go.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I moved "World" to show second in the list, with music and stories being under it in alphabetical order.  Not sure I like it, what do you think?
07:00 <GodTodd> you'd use this type of link then? ---> http://www.davefancella.com/node/110
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, or you can use another type, depending on your input filter.  Check what you can do with the input filter you've settled on.  :)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I think World, Music, and Stories should just show in alphabetical order.
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...that seems best
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> previously people came to the site to read what's in World, but that's not necessarily what they'll come for in the future
07:02 <GodTodd> input filter...hmmm...
07:02  * GodTodd checks what input filters are heh
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> go to create content and click one of those things, then click "Input filter" to see the list and the documentation
07:03 <GodTodd> oh...i see
07:03 <GodTodd> i usually use wikitext
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07:12 <GodTodd> btw...i saw a new high on guests the other night....27 i think it was....so either a bunch of people were reading it or you had a buttload of sessions open ;)
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07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that was a bunch of people reading because it sure in the hell wasn't me :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I couldn't find the module that lets you email certain roles when certain things happen
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need that module to make it reasonable to change the default from Published to Moderated.  I'd like to make that change so that we're at least reading what the other writes, preferably proofreading/editing.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> You know, raise the quality of the writing a bit by having us oversee each other.  :)
07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...i was hoping it had something like that :)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a workflow module, but the actions module it depends on broke the site :(
07:37 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it was a broken dependency.  Installed the module it depended on and it started working again :)
07:42 <GodTodd> cool :)
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07:59 <DrJoeTron> broke another headset
07:59 <DrJoeTron> i dont desserve to have electronics
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what kind of workflow do you want, GodTodd ?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have Draft, Review, and Published.  creating a Draft does nothing.  When you're done drafting it, you put it up for review, and change its state to Review
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> that causes an email to be sent to the not-yet-created alias for editors (which I'll create and have it redirect to both of us)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Then it gets edited, and the state gets changed to Published, which causes it to be published and another email sent telling you of the fact.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of having an action where if state changes from Review back to Draft, the author gets an email.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that means it needs more work.  :)
08:09 <GodTodd> sounds good to me :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks, apparently I can't have an alias send to any other email address I want, and it can only send to one address on the server :(
08:12 <GodTodd> hrmm
08:12 <GodTodd> can you daisy chain?
08:13 <GodTodd> like...have the alias send to a dummy address then have that one forward to two?
08:14 <GodTodd> only problem even if that works is remembering to clear out the dummy address
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, can't do that.  Instead I created a fake action with your email address.  It's not maintainable in the long term, if we get more editors then it gets to be a pain
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> but the mail server can be moved and the editors alias changed to work like I want it
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's a no-ip-imposed restriction, it's not a restriction inherent in the system.  :(
08:16 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:16 <GodTodd> ok
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, apparently it queues the mail notifications.  The cron job might need to run for it to send them.
08:20 <GodTodd> it run every night?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> every hour
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> did you get an email?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I got your test email a little while ago
08:21 <GodTodd> i sent a test email?
08:21 <GodTodd> haven't gotten an email yet
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was the test email I sent and it just took awhile to come through, heh
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the test email I sent awhile back?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it was the one I sent
08:28 <GodTodd> ermm...depends on the definition of 'awhile back' heh
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Date: 
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Tuesday 5:35:22 pm
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting any email from the outgoing mail server, that means I probably broke it :(
08:33 <GodTodd> heh
08:33 <spidey> -_-
08:33 <spidey> #ping
08:33 <armabot> pong
08:33 <spidey> well wtf
08:33 <spidey> i can't load webpages
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just got all of them.  Can you check if you got them?
08:34 <spidey> feels nice coming home to a shitty internet -_-
08:34 <GodTodd> nada so far
08:34  * spidey wants to go back outta town all night
08:34  * spidey had fun
08:34  * Lucifer_arma wants spidey to go back outta town all night again
08:34  * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
08:34 <GodTodd> fun...i used to have that...long long ago
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> shitty internet?  what's that?
08:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma tennessee internet
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> so tennessee = shitty?
08:35 <GodTodd> it's in the name....tenneshitty
08:35 <GodTodd> ;)
08:35 <spidey> GodTodd,we left with $150 and come home with a quater oz and a case of budlight
08:35 <spidey> :D
08:35 <spidey> we had fun ;x
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like you got ripped off
08:36 <GodTodd> that's expensive shit
08:36 <spidey> nah,that's what we came home with
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, you can get good pot in Austin for $35 for a quarter bag
08:36 <spidey> it's $30 here
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'm talking about *good* pot, not the $25 crap
08:36 <spidey> skunk weed is good
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: get an email yet?
08:37 <GodTodd> heh i wouldn't know good pot from oregeno 
08:37 <GodTodd> nope
08:37 <spidey> we got the quater for $30 the case for $20-22 and the rest we spent on munchies cigarettes and gas
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok, that sounds better then
08:38 <GodTodd> so...like .75 on munchies? ;)
08:38 <GodTodd> heh
08:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp?annotate=6066&pathrev=6067#l204
08:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man commented out, with this commit message:
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Fixed complaints about comparing singed and unsigned values.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Commented out unused function.
08:39 <spidey> i can't load a single website
08:39 <spidey> not even google
08:39 <wrtlprnft> (referring to your last commit
08:42 <GodTodd> should be on its way now 
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I hate singed values.  I prefer to only slightly cook values, myself.
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to todd.macy@gmail.com	davetheknave	
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to dave@davefancella.com	davetheknave	
08:42 <GodTodd> 	action	08/12/2006 - 1:44am	Sent email to editors@davefancella.com	davetheknave	
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: made some changes, you should get an email soon now :)
08:43 <GodTodd> it's showing on the log at least
08:43 <GodTodd> there it is
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> there was quite a delay last time
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, default is no longer "published".  We'll use workflow now.  :)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> you get log messages to put in too, so if you send an article back down to draft you can write in why in the log.
08:47 <GodTodd> you get that email?
08:47 <GodTodd> i bumped your shit down :P
08:47 <GodTodd> heh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, I figure if it's just a quick news item or whatever (like the one I just posted about the school notes), you can blow off the workflow and just publish it
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's a delay for me
08:48 <GodTodd> right @ workflow
08:48 <GodTodd> hrmm i got them quick ;)
08:48 <GodTodd> err it
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I blame my mail provider.
08:48 <GodTodd> who is it?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm using their alternate-port smtp service too
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> no-ip.com
08:49 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> so my smtp traffic goes through them so I can have an outgoing mailserver on my network, otherwise drupal and the wiki wouldn't be able to send mail
08:49 <GodTodd> hey....you have an opinion on cable vs FIOS internet?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> what's FIOS?  ;)
08:49 <GodTodd> ah i see
08:49 <GodTodd> Fiber Optic
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> that fiber?
08:50 <GodTodd> yeah
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh.  My opinion is that /dev/null really pumped up his game server and bragged about it, then went off and played something else for awhile while the guy who was hosting it on a fiber connection took the server down.
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, no opinion, I know nothing about it.
08:50 <GodTodd> heh
08:51 <GodTodd> i guess i'll see if service dips with the time warner changeover then
08:51 <GodTodd> cuz VZ has 5/2 for 35.....or 15/2 for 45 a month
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09:00 <wrtlprnft_> grr
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> i hate im
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> playing arma, one of these bubbles pops up
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> and crashes my machine x_x
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.speakeasy.net/home/onelink/  <--- heh, can someone decipher the line speed line for me?  ;)
09:02 <spidey> ya
09:02 <spidey> 1.5mbit up / 384kbit down
09:02 <spidey> wait
09:02 <spidey> reverse that
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 384kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 13mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> a3mbit*
09:03 <spidey> 6mbit down and 768kbit up
09:03 <spidey> good enough? :p
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, thanks.  :)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> apparently all speakeasy's got for me is t1
09:03 <GodTodd> ummm the 13 is actually 3
09:04 <GodTodd> :P
09:04 <GodTodd> ergh...thats dsl too
09:05 <spidey> i corrected myself :P
09:05 <spidey> and actually
09:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
09:05 <spidey> i'd pay that
09:05 <spidey> it's $3 cheaper and the up speed is 3x faster
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> $300/month for a t1?
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, except that they don't offer dsl to my location, only t1
09:05 <spidey> well
09:05  * Lucifer_arma just went through their little web form
09:05 <GodTodd> was gonna say...you near a CO?
09:05 <spidey> bellsouth offers in my area
09:05 <spidey> and
09:06 <GodTodd> co=central office
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should call them, if they actually used my real phone number for anything other than putting in their CRM database, then the answer is questionable
09:06  * Lucifer_arma is on VOIP
09:06 <spidey> it's $12 cheaper and twice as fast both ways
09:06 <GodTodd> well...the thing is line quality the further from the co
09:06 <GodTodd> 20000 feet out is pretty well a no no
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> 23k feet is what they estimated
09:07 <spidey> lol
09:07 <GodTodd> ergh...not really good service then
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> which could be very accurate, I don't know where their office is
09:07 <spidey> well
09:07 <GodTodd> you MIGHT get 384 or 768 service
09:07 <spidey> seeing as i'm getting dsl quality right NOW
09:07 <spidey> what's the difference besides having a faster speed on a good day?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I *might* already have a fast connection.  :)  Basically, they can only give me a t1, and for the price of a t1, I'd put my server in a coloc instead and get what I really want out of it
09:08 <spidey> sad thing is i'm on cable
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> for regular use, I'm perfectly happy with my connection.  The only reason I'd consider getting a faster one is for the server
09:09  * GodTodd spent 2.5 years as a dsl second tier tech....knows a thing or two about the shitty shit ;)
09:09 <GodTodd> heh
09:09 <GodTodd> that's a bridge that can wait to be burnt, isn't it?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't hurt to google every now and then and see if there's a better deal available.  I'd hate to find I was getting screwed out of inertia.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> I finally got that group of email from the website
09:11 <GodTodd> true
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> so we can do real writing with it, where I could start a draft, think about it, edit it myself, and work on it over a few days.  I like that.
09:11 <GodTodd> good :)
09:11 <GodTodd> long delay tho
09:11 <GodTodd> :)
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I blame no-ip for the delay.  I could have it instantaneous if I pulled my pop3 service back to my own server, which I'll do whenever I get to build a real dedicated box
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> but right now my next computer purchase is going to be a backup server
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> and it's going to happen Very Soon
09:15 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <GodTodd> i'm still debating whether to dual boot my laptop
09:26 <GodTodd> well...i'ma go to bed so that karen doesn't have to watch both kids by herself in the morning
09:26 <GodTodd> #night
09:26 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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10:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4785065.stm  <--- Muslems are offended by a Christian Fascist saying "Islamic Facist".
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> clear your cache?
16:38 <DrJoeTron> i had to buy a news headset :/
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17:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_: I don't write functions to be unused ;p
17:11  * luke-jr_ knew he'd be using it when he implemented comparison operators
17:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: who cares if Muslems are offended?
17:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: How the heck do you get that SpeakEasy is *cheaper*? Maybe for slower service...
17:30 <spidey> luke-jr_ ecause it is
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17:48 <luke-jr_> spidey: not unless with most cable speeds/prices
17:48 <luke-jr_> not with*
17:48 <spidey> luke-jr_ did i say most??
17:48 <spidey> no i said mine
17:49 <spidey> i think i passed math enough to know if something costs MORE than something else
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18:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: your cable company must be a rip-off then
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19:24 <spidey> luke-jr_ and? how many times have i said this??? shitty service and 3mbit for $59
19:24 <spidey> besides that it's the only highspeed isp here untill september
19:24 <spidey> then i'm switching to bellsouth
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20:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: you might want to threaten first ;)
20:25 <luke-jr_> even if they won't be available for a few months
20:25 <spidey> actually i've already did that
20:26 <spidey> i even told them i'ma refer all there customers i know to bellsouth
20:26 <spidey> they don't seem to care :D
20:26 <spidey> so when bellsouth gets out here that's what i'ma do
20:26 <spidey> bellsouth has dailup out here already,and it's got better quality than my friggin cable
20:27 <spidey> it maybe slow but atleast it's MORE stable
20:27 <spidey> so i figure there highspeed dsl will be just as good
20:28 <spidey> which it'll be 6mbit down and 368kbit up
20:28 <spidey> and it's $15 cheaper
20:28 <spidey> -_-
20:29 <spidey> ohhh
20:29 <spidey> i forget
20:29 <aidans_dad> armagetronad client question - any way to log in-game chat text?   aside from hacking the client? 
20:29 <spidey> we'll get a discount to
20:29 <spidey> nemo made a script that includes ruby ingame
20:29 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: IIRC there was some talk about that recently on the forum
20:30 <spidey> so there should be a way to make a script that logs it
20:30 <philippeqc> but I might be mistaken
20:30 <aidans_dad> ruby... hm... something I know nothing about :(
20:31 <aidans_dad> phillippeqc:  is there a forum archive you can point me to? 
20:31 <[dlh]> There is a define somewhere to show console text on stdout.
20:31 <philippeqc> forums.armagetronad.net
20:31 <philippeqc> all the resources are accessible from www.armagetronad.net
20:32 <aidans_dad> Cool, thanks.   dlh - that would be awesome - have compiler will travel. 
20:32 <spidey> ymmm
20:32 <spidey> umm
20:32 <spidey> is it just me
20:32 <spidey> or is all the php on that page errored?
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(functions.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(): Failed opening 'functions.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <philippeqc> I'd search on the forums throught the recent ones (I'd say unless I'm quite mistaken, something was mentionned during the last month top)
20:32 <[dlh]> No, that happens a lot, spidey.
20:32 <spidey> oh
20:32 <[dlh]> It is hosted on sf now, instead of Tank's server.
20:32 <spidey> i figured it was my isp -_-
20:33 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: Have you read "Have spacesuit - will travel" ?
20:33 <aidans_dad> No, should I put it on my reading list ?  :)
20:33 <philippeqc> its a light scifi from a couple of years back
20:34 <philippeqc> i enjoyed it
20:35 <philippeqc> from one of the short description on the 3rd hit of google: First published in 1958 as one of Heinlein?s ?boy?s books?, Have Spacesuit, Will Travel soon found an adult audience as well, and has become one of the most ...
20:35  * aidans_dad is searching net for it
20:37 <aidans_dad> Ah, Heinlein.  I did read "stranger in a strange land" though.  
20:38 <aidans_dad> OK another armage question.  My son is 4 years old, and likes armagetronad. 
20:38 <aidans_dad> Question: 
20:38 <[dlh]> aidans_dad: check rConsole.cpp for print_to_stdout.
20:38 <aidans_dad> how do I keep him from messing with other people's internet servers?
20:38 <aidans_dad> short of unplugging the wire. 
20:40 <aidans_dad> dlh: thanks.   I'll definitely do that, assuming I can find all the prerequisite libs to compile armage on my box.  Thanks for the research.
20:40 <philippeqc> a) he must be of great technological skills for you to fear him going to mess people internet server ;)
20:40 <philippeqc> b) no, we dont have a locking mecanism
20:40 <aidans_dad> he reads, writes, and plays armage like a 7 year old.  He thinks like a 4 year old.
20:42 <aidans_dad> I guess I could change his name to "kickban me now", and when he joins a server, maybe the operator will take the hint :) 
20:43 <philippeqc> If I was you, I'd hang out a bit on MBC (Micro-bus and I dont recall the C). They have low regard agains swearing on that server (never been there, just second hand thing). That might be the only place that is "ok" for him.
20:44 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: there isnt an operator on all the time though. and most people would take it as a joke instead.
20:44 <philippeqc> got a firewall/router?
20:45 <philippeqc> you could make 2 rules: 1) disable queries to the master servers (plural). Most probably by dropping all leaving trafic that is UDP on that port
20:46 <aidans_dad> I have a router running ddwrt - I guess I could try to block all udp from his machine - that would allow him to play me locally.  That's a great idea.l 
20:46 <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to servers (UDP again, 
20:47 <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do)
20:47 <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that.  Wonderful suggestion.  Thanks. 
20:48 <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533
20:48 <spidey> -_-
20:48 <philippeqc> np
20:48 <spidey> #last --nolimit
20:48 <armabot> spidey: [20:48:51] <philippeqc> np, [20:48:46] <spidey> -_-, [20:48:34] <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533, [20:47:59] <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that.  Wonderful suggestion.  Thanks., [20:47:40] <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do), [20:46:56] <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to (50 more messages)
20:48 <spidey> 'er
20:48 <spidey> #realchatlogs
20:48 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
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20:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft_, maybe split the logs?? because that's a HUGE list and takes forever to load
20:50 <aidans_dad> wow
20:50 <[dlh]_> The log will split automatically if you put a date format string in it.
20:50 <spidey> not that kinda split
20:50 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: have a look at a configuration file names "master.srv". I dont know if it is in use, but a simple test of changing all armagetronad to notArmagetronad should tell you if you can deny reaching the master servers
20:50 <spidey> different .txt files
20:50 <[dlh]_> You
20:50 <[dlh]_> 're talking about #realchatlogs, right?
20:51 <[dlh]_> wrtlprnft_'s irc log?
20:51 <spidey> ..............
20:51 <spidey> yes
20:51 <[dlh]_> Yea, irssi will split the log file into different files if the filename has a date format string in it.
20:52 <spidey> tell wrtlprnft_ that :p
20:52 <aidans_dad> Philippeqc: even easier!    I could just enter somehting bogus for the master server. 
20:53 <philippeqc> yes
20:53  * aidans_dad goes to modify son's config
20:53 <spidey> hmmm
20:54 <spidey> that won't work
20:54 <spidey> btw
20:54 <spidey> i don't know about now,but when the master servers where down/couldn't be connected to...it would use a old list,but that was in 2.7.1
20:55 <[dlh]_> You gotta delete frommaster.srv, too ( I think that is the name of the file)
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <spidey> where's that at
20:55 <[dlh]_> The var directory
20:56 <spidey> <<windows
20:56 <[dlh]_> Oh, I don't know. ><
20:58 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: should you not succeed, post a message on the forums with the draft of what was discussed here. You'll get some more help. 
20:58 <philippeqc> good luck
20:58 <philippeqc> good night all
20:58 <philippeqc> #night
20:58 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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20:58 <spidey> mmm
20:58 <spidey> aidans_dad,is all you want is for him not to be able to connect to online servers?
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21:05 <spidey> aidans_dad if that's what you want you could just hide the network game option :D
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21:05 <spidey> open english_base.txt scroll down to game menu, where it says
21:05 <spidey> network_menu_text Network Game
21:05 <spidey> delete Network Game
21:06 <spidey> and it won't show,but he'll still be able to connect if he figures it out
21:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: did I mention your cable co is STUPID? =p
21:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, i also know that
21:17  * spidey wonders if they have a online tech support
21:17 <spidey> i wanna bitch but dun wanna go get the phon
21:17 <spidey> phone
21:17 <spidey> last time i called they first said 2 things
21:17 <spidey> 1 they said it was the router
21:17 <spidey> i unplugged it and put this box straight through(i was running linux at the time)
21:18 <spidey> so they said it was because i used linux and to put the windows box on
21:18 <spidey> -_-
21:19 <spidey> of course the windows box did the same,then me and my brother where arguing and she thought i was talking to her,asked me if said she don't know what she's doing
21:19 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: there should be a Silence All option IIRC
21:20 <spidey> oh ya
21:20 <spidey> sec
21:20 <aidans_dad> Got it now - blocked the family PCs udp 4533-4534 at the router 
21:20 <luke-jr_> guru3: if SF's hosting continues sucking, do feel free to move the site to hachi...
21:20 <spidey> aidans_dad that doesn't matter
21:21 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: why not just silence?
21:21 <aidans_dad> spidey:  that would work too - but he can get on my computer if I'm not watching, or his mom's computer - he's quick little guy 
21:21 <spidey> if he's already listed the master server once,tron will use a backup
21:21 <aidans_dad> easiest was to block it at the router. 
21:21 <spidey> is not
21:21 <spidey> he can still list the servers from a old list
21:22 <spidey> luke-jr_, made the first payment
21:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: with the subscription button thing?
21:23 <aidans_dad> thanks all for the suggestions! 
21:23 <spidey> yar
21:23 <Your_mom_arma> or steal the custom connect info from tanks server poll
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: cool, thanks
21:23 <spidey> aidans_dad you need to do one more thing
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: looks like it worked
21:23 <spidey> luke-jr_,k
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21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: Just build a client that can't do chat ;)
21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: he could still click a webpage link for a server
21:23 <spidey> or disable text output
21:24 <spidey> which is simple
21:24 <spidey> ;D
21:24 <spidey> sytem settings > misc > text wrap off
21:24 <spidey> i think
21:24 <spidey> ah
21:24 <spidey> System Setup > Misc Stuff > Text Ooutput : off
21:25 <spidey> my server just left for 2 weeks :(
21:25 <spidey> i'ma miss it
21:26 <spidey> luke-jr_, change my hosting to soldat and i'll pay $25 a month :p
21:27 <spidey> 'er
21:27 <spidey> $20
21:27 <spidey> forgot about the webserver :D
21:27 <DrJoeTron> :( i miss my headset
21:28 <spidey> argh
21:28 <spidey> i just noticed a bug in my site
21:28 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
21:28 <spidey> click forums
21:28 <spidey> then click it again
21:28 <spidey> :(
21:29 <aidans_dad> I saw the backup, but if he can't communicate with them on the default ports, it doesn't matter.  I could block all UDP - there's nothing else he needs that for.
21:30 <spidey> no
21:30 <spidey> 4533 isn't the default port
21:30 <spidey> thats the master server port
21:30 <spidey> 4534 is the server port
21:30 <spidey> BUT
21:30 <spidey> it can be changed
21:30 <aidans_dad> I blocked them both
21:30 <spidey> like my servers
21:30 <spidey> the default port changes
21:30 <spidey> sometimes they're 4535-4537
21:31 <aidans_dad> meh - I'll go change it to block 4000-5000 :)
21:31 <spidey> :)
21:31 <spidey> that is blocking outbound right?
21:31 <spidey> because blocking it in most routers only blocks people from connecting
21:31 <spidey> connecting to you*
21:31 <aidans_dad> Hm, I don't know.  I'm using a pointy-clicky interface into ddwrt.  I did verify that it blocks his access to the master server...
21:32 <spidey> hmm
21:32 <aidans_dad> Or responses from it.  
21:32 <spidey> you might wanna try it from his computer after you're done
21:32 <spidey> if nothing more,just disable text and hide the option
21:33 <spidey> or change the master server lists in master.svc to something else and delete ftommaster.svc
21:33 <aidans_dad> I could do that, but he could still join a team server and drive around in a non-team-like fashion... although he's pretty good when he's not using his robot.
21:33 <spidey> lol
21:34 <spidey> then in Armagetron Advanced\config change master.scv
21:34 <spidey> then documents and settings\username\application data\armagetron\var\ delete frommaster.svc
21:35 <spidey> that should keep him from listing servers period
21:35 <aidans_dad> on a macintosh but I know what you mean
21:35 <spidey> ah,k
21:36 <aidans_dad> That's probably a better solution than blocking udp. 
21:36 <spidey> ya
21:37 <spidey> or you could use iptables(dunno if mac has that) to block the udp ports via that computer only
21:37 <aidans_dad> that's what ddwrt is doing for his mac address
21:37 <aidans_dad> I would think osx could do similar but not sure
21:38 <spidey> mm
21:38 <aidans_dad> could probably run an armagetron server on a ddwrt router.  nice little boxes. 
21:40 <aidans_dad> OK gotta go; thanks for all the help
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21:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: is soldat open source? :p
21:59 <spidey> no,lol
22:02 <luke-jr_> convince the author to make it open source and I'll consider it ;)
22:02 <spidey> :(
22:04 <luke-jr_> how am I supposed to write my patch for it otherwise? ;p
22:04 <spidey> patch?
22:05 <spidey> there's a demon that runs in the background and shuts the server down if it exceeds x number of players
22:05 <luke-jr_> yes
22:05 <spidey> but dunno where to get it
22:05 <luke-jr_> that's not a patch
22:05 <spidey> no,but a solution :p
22:05 <luke-jr_> not really
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22:25  * spidey goes to watch dumb and dumber
22:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell does windows have to be so damn fucking slow -.-
22:28 <spidey> because your computer sucks?
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you're right
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> amd64 3000+ and 1gb ram is not enuf for win2k
22:28 <spidey> O.o
22:28 <DrJoeTron> time to defrag that sucker
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's a relatively new install
22:29 <DrJoeTron> still
22:29 <DrJoeTron> i defrag everyday
22:29 <DrJoeTron> or everyother
22:29 <spidey> well 1
22:29 <spidey> win2k sucks
22:29 <spidey> 2
22:29 <spidey> wtf!?
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> did i mention i'm running it in vmware?
22:29 <spidey> i have p4 2.2ghz and 512mb ram
22:30 <spidey> then
22:30 <spidey> that's your problem
22:30 <spidey> :p
22:30 <DrJoeTron> he didnt say it was yours :d
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i will never install win on my real machine again
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> last time i did
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> took me 5 days to fix my system
22:30 <spidey> lemme
22:30 <spidey> lemme guess
22:30 <spidey> win2k ?
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:30 <spidey> some 5 year old operating system? :p
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually it was xp 64 bit edition
22:31 <DrJoeTron> oh god
22:31 <spidey> haha
22:31 <DrJoeTron> why did you install that?
22:31 <spidey> i was gonna ask the same
22:31 <DrJoeTron> i mean, it was a good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> a real good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> too bad nothing worked for it
22:31 <spidey> lol
22:31 <DrJoeTron> which is why i didnt get it
22:31 <DrJoeTron> that and having a 32bit cpu
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22:32 <DrJoeTron> i just use xp pro
22:32 <DrJoeTron> all problems i get are my own fault
22:32 <spidey> i use xp pro corp
22:32 <spidey> same here
22:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i only need it to run the damn ipod updater...
22:32 <spidey> doesn't amarok have ipod support?
22:32 <DrJoeTron> apple loves adding bloatware
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thing is
22:33 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't use crapOS?
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can you show me
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how to run ipod updater in wine?
22:33 <DrJoeTron> no idea
22:33 <spidey> ??
22:33  * DrJoeTron doesnt have an ipod
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was asking luke-jr_ actually...
22:34 <DrJoeTron> ah
22:34 <luke-jr_> running a 32-bit OS or 32-bit programs on a 64-bit CPU is a waste
22:34 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't
22:34 <luke-jr_> get a Neuros ;p
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know there is ipodlinux...
22:34 <spidey> letting luke-jr_ in on a converstation is a mistake
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22:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: >:O
22:34 <spidey> ;x
22:34  * DrJoeTron agrees! :D
22:34 <luke-jr_> I like my new IRC font
22:34 <luke-jr_> it looks like DOS
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> dos
22:34 <luke-jr_> mwahaha
22:35 <spidey> gayish?
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love my console font
22:35 <luke-jr_> actually, I don't remember what DOS looked like
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun even know how i got to it
22:35 <luke-jr_> I just assume it looks like my raw console
22:35 <DrJoeTron> fucking itunes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate itunes too
22:35 <DrJoeTron> no, i dont want quicktime!
22:36 <DrJoeTron> thanks for adding ipod shit on my pc apple
22:36  * DrJoeTron sigh
22:36 <DrJoeTron> msconfig time!
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell
22:36 <spidey> i have quicktime
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does my usb storage driver
22:36 <spidey> only because my codec pack installed it
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not eat the fucking ipod
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (under win 2k -.-)
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i have quicktime
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont want it
22:37 <DrJoeTron> its kind of stuck there
22:37 <spidey> it doesn't bother me
22:37 <spidey> it just stays down in the bottum
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> whenever i see windows running
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> let's say
22:37 <spidey> you chase it?
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "running"
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i start crying
22:38 <spidey> lol
22:38 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: can't you access the iPod as a removable storage?
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in linux
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in win2k...
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> NO
22:38 <luke-jr_> screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> screw luke-jr_
22:39  * DrJoeTron seconded
22:39 <spidey> well actually
22:39 <spidey> yes screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> it sucks anyways
22:39 <DrJoeTron> nah win 2k is not the greatest
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:39 <spidey> there's only 1 windows version i'd run
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i prefer it to xp...
22:39 <spidey> that's win98
22:39 <DrJoeTron> considering its illegitamate retarded brother Me
22:39 <spidey> but i can't run win98 on this box,something about mem ranges conflicting
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i enjoy xp
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> take windows Ce, windows Me and windows NT
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> CeMeNT
22:40 <spidey> lol
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hard as a rock, dumb as a brick
22:40 <DrJoeTron> dont talk about my dreamcast like that!
22:40 <DrJoeTron> :(
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sega pwns ><
22:40 <luke-jr_> when I test win apps, it's under 98 =p
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
22:41 <luke-jr_> oh, don't use VMWare either
22:41 <luke-jr_> it's immoral software
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh damn
22:41 <DrJoeTron> darkstar, run your computer however you want 
22:41 <spidey> ok now we mentally ignore luke-jr_
22:41 <luke-jr_> and it's on your real system too
22:41  * luke-jr_ shakes head
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: you can do /ignore luke-jr_ 
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
22:42  * spidey ties luke-jr_ up and throws him in the closet
22:42  * luke-jr_ hacks spidey and makes his light cycle pink
22:42 <spidey> haha
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how the hell do i start windows update manually?
22:43 <luke-jr_> I lost my colour codes-- I should figure out what they were
22:43 <spidey> um
22:43 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: Start->Windows Update
22:43 <luke-jr_> my colours were green & purple
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ouch
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate that
22:43 <luke-jr_> ...
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's in there
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't be bigger
22:44 <luke-jr_> lol
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i dun see it
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hope there is a damn updated version of the usb storage driver in there -.-
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it dun work -.-
22:45 <luke-jr_> hahaha
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah well
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should have known
22:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the german translation of windows is bad
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> looks like neither german nor english is the translator's mother tongue -.-
22:54 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: write me a script to do it :P
22:55  * wrtlprnft loves dejavu sans mono
22:55 <spidey> do what?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nothing to do with deja_vu, though
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: split the log file
22:55 <spidey> what language
22:55 <wrtlprnft> any
22:55 <wrtlprnft> not visual basic
22:55 <spidey> php?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> sure
22:56 <spidey> after my movie's done
22:56 <spidey> watching dumb and dumber
22:56 <spidey> lol
22:56 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: i love you too :P
22:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:57 <wrtlprnft> just on the topic of console fonts
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love the sun prom console font
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it looks so fucking cool
22:58 <wrtlprnft> i picked that topic up since "font" is one of my hilights
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> giving up on that win2k shit
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and dling xp ><
23:03 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo.org/
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have gentoo on all of my machines, mkay?
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... except the TP
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there i got like nothing...
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause it's got no cdrom drive
23:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i keep failing to find a 1 floppy distro that supports my pcmcia network card
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23:14 <DrJoeTron> anyone have a ds? :p
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nope
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nintendo is evil :P
23:15 <DrJoeTron> more like sony is :p
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have a vaio here
23:15 <DrJoeTron> ive forgiven nintendo
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got a gba somewhere
23:15 <DrJoeTron> everyone gets big and fucks it up
23:15 <DrJoeTron> atari did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> sega did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> Sega Does What NitenDONT
23:15 <DrJoeTron> come on
23:16 <DrJoeTron> Nintendo did it
23:16 <DrJoeTron> twice
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and now sony is doing it
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the ps3 seems to be pretty cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> oh it does
23:16 <DrJoeTron> trust me
23:16 <DrJoeTron> it does
23:16 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's 7.6MB right now... is that big?!
23:16 <DrJoeTron> but someone doesnt think its cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and thats my wallet
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:17 <DrJoeTron> 600 USD?
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
23:17 <DrJoeTron> comapred to 250 USD?
23:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> goddamn it
23:17 <DrJoeTron> nintendo has there buddy back
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> my dvd and cd-rw drives are both dead, and I've had to fall back on a cdrom drive that was made in 1997
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> It's been 20 minutes and I'm still waiting for the liveCD to finish booting
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
23:18 <DrJoeTron> jesus
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> poor u
23:18 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:18 <DrJoeTron> speaking of dated
23:18 <DrJoeTron> i looked at the world records book 2001
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Why is the deskstar even mentioned!?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> deskstar?  printer?
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Quick load all of your important files into it
23:19 <DrJoeTron> nah the 80gb hard drive from ibm
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was "the biggest" in 2001
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> 80GB was pretty big back then
23:19 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i remember in 2000
23:19 <DrJoeTron> too bad they also failed all of the time
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> the two hard drives that are in my server were both brand-new 60GB drives made back then
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there it was ibm's microdrive
23:19 <DrJoeTron> and got the nick name DeathStar
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, they might be a tad newer, they might be from 2002
23:20 <DrJoeTron> i have a 60 and a 120 in this thing
23:20 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to piss off my wife when my check gets here by going and buying another computer and some really large hard drives
23:21 <DrJoeTron> why are we still measureing things in bits for sizes?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/ds-xtreme-gives-drag-n-drop-capability-to-your-nintendo-ds/
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> what other base unit would you use?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> Bytes
23:21 <DrJoeTron> especially when it comes to space?
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> um, bytes are 16 bits or something like that
23:21 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> 8 bits, I forget, one of the two
23:21 <DrJoeTron> its 8
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 byte in bits
23:22 <armabot> 1 byte = 8 bits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> this thing says 4Gb
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its 512Megabytes
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> that means Gigabytes :)
23:22 <DrJoeTron> why cant they just say that
23:22 <DrJoeTron> not that
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> ?  it says 4Gb but they mean gigabits?
23:22 <DrJoeTron> that means Gigabits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> dickheads
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> gigabit is a useless measurement
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its really just 512MB
23:22 <GodTodd> heh...yeah GB is gigabytes
23:23 <DrJoeTron> exactly my point
23:23 <GodTodd> Gb is gigabits
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: unless you want to talk about my connection speed
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's still useless.  :)  You have to know how many Mb your files are for it to mean something
23:23 <DrJoeTron> still useless for measuring space
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: was just kidding anyway
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got only 3mbit ><
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I much prefer to know my connection speed in kb/sec
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> now here's something that annoys me about units
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> kb is and always has been kilobytes, right?
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have 3/8MB/s
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> b is bits
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> then k by itself is kilobytes, too, right?
23:24 <DrJoeTron> b is bits
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> B is bytes
23:24 <DrJoeTron> they just get mixed up in slang
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but then they do MB and start distinguishing between lower and uppercase B's in units
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between 1 KM and 1 km?
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> or 1 mi and 1 MI and 1 Mi ?
23:25 <DrJoeTron> ones a sate :p
23:25 <DrJoeTron> state*
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who cares about the US anyway :P
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> That's true.  1 MI < 1 TX :)
23:25 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:25 <DrJoeTron> i like MI when ever i go there
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Timothy McVeigh was from MI
23:26 <DrJoeTron> except the UP but they dont exsist
23:26 <DrJoeTron> to me
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Psyko is going to university of michigan
23:26 <GodTodd> 1 MI = 1 WI = 1 MN = 1 CAP (Canadian Province) ;)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> umm, seen the size of vancouver?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Those canadians laugh at our little states....
23:27 <GodTodd> umm meaning they might as well be in canada
23:27 <GodTodd> :P
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wisconsin is a beautiful state
23:28 <spidey> i've been there
23:28 <DrJoeTron> wisconsin rocks
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> Minnesota isn't
23:28 <GodTodd> never been there...i'm going to milwaukee next month tho
23:28 <spidey> although i slept all the way through i
23:28 <spidey> it
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet you will never find out where you find the smallest states :P
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im helping my friend move to wisconsin
23:28 <DrJoeTron> up to madison
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's see.  Switzerland isn't much bigger than Rhode Island, and it's split into 4 states, isn't it?
23:28 <spidey> O.o
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's split into 26 states
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i wanna move to alaska
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to move to alaska
23:29 <GodTodd> then don;t
23:29 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be awake for 3 months a year and asleep for 3 months a year
23:29 <DrJoeTron> exactly
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get closer to the equator
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i dont
23:30  * Lucifer_arma is very sensitive to seasonal differences in day size
23:30 <DrJoeTron> i like where i am currently, but one day id like to live there for a year or two
23:30 <GodTodd> heh move to brazil....hot half naked chicks and near the equator ;)
23:30  * DrJoeTron craves snow
23:30 <GodTodd> i hate snow
23:30 <DrJoeTron> lake effect snow doesnt do it for me
23:30 <GodTodd> snow sucks ass
23:30 <DrJoeTron> snow = skitchin
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can blow me
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I think we should annex Mexico, and part of that's so I can live closer to the equator without having to deal with a half-assed dictatorial central american government
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can kiss my hairy white ass
23:31 <DrJoeTron> NO
23:31 <DrJoeTron> we cant lucifer
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what about Tijuana?
23:31 <GodTodd> snow can suck my balls
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what will happen!?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> they'll stop making those weird murder-porn videos?
23:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:32 <DrJoeTron> from dusk till dawn?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I've worked so hard to block that movie from my memory...
23:32 <GodTodd> heh haven't seen that in years
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it was an almost good vampire flick until I saw the Lost Boys and discovered that they hadn't done anything new or interesting in From Dusk till Dawn
23:33 <DrJoeTron> yup
23:33  * Lucifer_arma goes to see if his server's finished booting the liveCD
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> fucker's still booting
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's not that the hard drive is slow, it's that it has really good error checking, so it's basically having to load everything 3-4 times because it's so old and shitty
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23:34 <Lucifer_arma> *cdrom drive
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> hi Your_mom_arma 
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> the wiki is down
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it's been taking fucking forever for my server to boot off this liveCD
23:35 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I need to repartition the main hard drive on it, so I'm booting from a liveCD so I can copy everything from there to somewhere else, repartition, then copy everything back
23:38 <Your_mom_arma> i remember using a 4x cdrom drive after using a 42x drive 
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder when dvd writing will get faster
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> is newegg.com broken?
23:39 <GodTodd> comes up for me
23:40 <Your_mom_arma> i cant get it to load here, but other websites work fine
23:41 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:42 <GodTodd> prices aren't too bad ;)
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah great customer service and shipping times
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> dont understand why the site wont load
23:44  * Your_mom_arma goes to look thru ad lock and java prefrences
23:44 <GodTodd> kill the cookie?
23:44 <GodTodd> wow....a 160 GB notebook drive?
23:45 <GodTodd> that would rock heh
23:46 <Your_mom_arma> thanks, cleared cookies and cache and now it works
23:47 <GodTodd> yeah...sounded like a bad cookie
23:47 <GodTodd> or cached page
23:48 <GodTodd> used to do phone tech support....that kind of thing fixed half the shit ;)
23:48 <GodTodd> heh
23:48 <Your_mom_arma> i always overlook the easy stuff
23:49 <GodTodd> i used to...til that damn job
23:49 <GodTodd> :)
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, I'd fill up a 160GB drive in my laptop
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> well GodTodd , back when you did phone tech support you had to deal with IE 5's shitty cache bug
23:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: any suggestions for other games to host?
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, I'm not wrtlprnft 
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the copy job is finally running, I'll be repartitioning ~1 hour
23:54 <GodTodd> yeah...i was there for the goddamned blaster worm thing too :/
23:55 <GodTodd> heh i had one chick with ie 5 that had 100MB worth of cache....i told her i couldn't stay on the phone with her while the cache cleared
23:55 <Vanhayes> hmm anyone ever hear of a guy named gould?
23:55 <GodTodd> eliot?
23:55 <GodTodd> goddamn i'm old
23:55 <GodTodd> :/
23:55 <Vanhayes> not sure
23:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:57 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:58 <GodTodd>  <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <GodTodd>  <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv rules
23:58 <GodTodd> didn't know if you still had him on /ignore or not ;)
23:58  * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a problem using units that have base 2
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, I unignored him a little while ago
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yesterday or the day before, something like that
23:59 <GodTodd> i see that now :P
23:59  * Lucifer_arma thinks the only people who care about making their units all base 10 are europeans
23:59 <GodTodd> #g 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95
23:59 <armabot> 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95 = 240.75

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