Log from 2006-08-14:
--- Day changed Mon Aug 14 2006
00:00 <DrJoeTron> pull it
00:00 <DrJoeTron> with teeth
00:00 <DrJoeTron> be aMAN
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> that one guy pulled a 747
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hard if you're in good shape
00:07 <DrJoeTron> how much longer you think we are going to keep bar codes?
00:07 <Your_mom_arma> 37 more years(mainstream)?
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> why?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's closer to 24 years, 6 months, 12 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 15 seconds
00:10 <Your_mom_arma> i suppose it dependsLarge factories might get rid of it sooner then smaller factories
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00:10 <Your_mom_arma> probobly by several years
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> I dunno. Seems like large factories would keep them longer than smaller factories
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's not exactly easy to switch to something else. bar codes are on everything.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got backups in place now, and the thing clears out backups older than a week.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> so as long as my backup partition is big enough to hold a week of backups, then I'm fine until I build my backup server. :)
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> large factories could afford newer technology like rfid tags, only need 1 for a crate of 500 products
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but factories use bar codes internally as well, to track the progress of each item
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> shipping yards?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> so you take a hunk of metal and slap a barcode on it, then you can track it all the way until it becomes a disk brake caliper
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, manufacturers
00:13 * Lucifer_arma used to have a client that sold bar code technology, had to learn a lot more about it than I cared to know
00:14 <Your_mom_arma> im not exactly sure what we would replace them with.
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> so to move away from bar codes, they'll have to spend a lot more money than a smaller factory because they have all sorts of gear internally to replace
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> are we talking magnetic strips a dot code system etc?
00:15 <DrJoeTron> probably microchip of some sort
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not afraid of rfid tags. The danger in them isn't inherent to the technology, it's inherent in our "free" society
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> "If you've got nothing to hide, then why do you need privacy?"
00:16 <DrJoeTron> because i do infact have something to hide :p
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> then you're a criminal and need to be found out by the law!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> you cant stop me!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> ive ripped all of the bar codes off!@
00:17 <DrJoeTron> my scannerz toys wont work anymore
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> quick make an aluminum foil hat
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> wouldnt that make it easier to controll someone anyways
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> it would act like an antenna
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> what we need is a copper grid
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, it reflects microwaves, that's why you don't put foil in the microwave oven
00:18 <DrJoeTron> but putting in cd's
00:18 <DrJoeTron> fun stuff
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> so if they wanted to cook your brain, you're safe, the microwaves just bounce right off
00:18 <DrJoeTron> especially when it isnt your microwve
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> it would be easier to just put the mind control stuff in the water supply
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> nah, then you're in trouble if somebody figures it out
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's easier to just do what they do
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> convince parents to get their kids evaluated by a shrink, then put them on mind-control drugs
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> do it with the will of their parents and raise them to know nothing else, and you're safe
00:21 <DrJoeTron> water pumps arent guarded very well
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiki's going down again, sorry
00:22 <DrJoeTron> well i some how deleted the My computer icon
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to reboot to get a partition remounted that can't be remounted on a running system
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> how'd you manage that joe?
00:24 <Compn1> DrJoeTron : tweakui can remove/add that icon back i think
00:24 <Compn1> or its generated when windows starts
00:24 <DrJoeTron> was deleting pictures off my camera
00:24 <Compn1> either way
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i hit delete
00:25 <DrJoeTron> nah its cool,
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i just put a shortcut in
00:25 <DrJoeTron> still made me go "god damn it"
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list alias
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
00:27 <DrJoeTron> #list
00:27 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> #message guru3 offensive spam http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83041#83041
00:27 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <DrJoeTron> Well i have been searching for mutant dicks
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #CyborgName DrJoeTron
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #help CyborgName
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no command "cyborgname".
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:32 * Your_mom_arma shrugs shoulders
00:32 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:56 <Vanhayes> #help freshmeat
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
00:56 <Vanhayes> #list babelfish
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize, language list, language random, and translate
00:56 <Vanhayes> #language list
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
00:57 <Vanhayes> #translate hello to chinese_simple
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
00:58 <Vanhayes> #translate english to chinese_simple hello
00:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: '\x00\x00'
00:58 <Vanhayes> heh
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02:24 <Lucifer_arma> These two questions are inherently related and apparently not answered here. This is likely due to the fact that it's asked so much that we're busy answering it for someone else right this minute.
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> ?
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> just browsing the faq is all. wanted to see if somebody had actually answered that question, and apparently nobody did. Or rather, it got a partial answer at some point.
02:28 <luke-jr_> freeciv is too hard :|
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--- Log opened Mon Aug 14 09:03:49 2006
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09:03 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
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09:04 <GodTodd> can you change nicks?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, at least, not after logging in I don't
09:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: something ending in 5 =p
09:04 <spidey> o.o
09:05 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:05 <GodTodd> 5565 i think it was
09:05 <spidey> ok so tell me how i load the master server list :p
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> press Master Metaserver
09:05 <GodTodd> yep
09:05 <spidey> i don't have that
09:05 <spidey> i see
09:05 <spidey> metaserver
09:05 <spidey> then a "update" button,but it doesn't list servers
09:07 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:07 <luke-jr_> just connect
09:07 * luke-jr_ tired of waiting -.-
09:07 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:07 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:07 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> why does spidey always have to be the one that can't find shit?
09:07 <luke-jr_> cuz he's the windozeluser -.-
09:07 <GodTodd> heh
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd's a windows user too
09:07 <GodTodd> ummm im on win...and im in
09:07 <GodTodd> :P
09:07 <spidey> GodTodd uses windows to
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> that just means "no excuses for you"
09:08 <spidey> it won't let me connect -_-
09:08 <spidey> i get this
09:08 <spidey> Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:08 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:08 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:08 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it?
09:08 <luke-jr_> oh well
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hang on a sec
09:08 <spidey> i downloaded it off the site -_-
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I looked at the window again and don't see it. Maybe you have a firewall problem?
09:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: 2.1 is too new
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> 2.08 and 2.10b2 clients aren't compatible
09:10 <spidey> see
09:10 <spidey> i get that to
09:10 <spidey> :p
09:10 <spidey> [02:09] ( spidey ) Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:10 <luke-jr_> lol
09:10 <luke-jr_> downgrade
09:10 <luke-jr_> you need 2.0.8
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> ah tell him to get 2.08
09:10 <spidey> -_-
09:11 <luke-jr_> spidey: hurry up
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> who hasn't pressed start?
09:13 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd
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09:38 <wrtlprnft> something's borked with this computer since the last restart :(
09:38 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:38 <armabot> pong
09:38 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'm still connected
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:45 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human || intelligence long enough to get money from it.
09:46 <wrtlprnft> huh?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> armabot is there, but i can't reach my server
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sshd down?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> something...
09:47 <wrtlprnft> httpd down too, it seems
09:47 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:47 <armabot> pong
09:47 <wrtlprnft> no, httpd is there
09:47 <wrtlprnft> just slow
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow.... i'm on a channel where there was no talking for >20 hours
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> until i said "morning"
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and now it seems like i'm the only one alive in there ><
09:50 <wrtlprnft> wake everyone?
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like my server and everything is running
09:51 <wrtlprnft> I just can't access it from inside my network
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:51 <wrtlprnft> that explains why armabot works
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if i couldn't access my server from the network i couldn't reach the inet either ><
09:52 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a router that does NAT, and i don't use a proxy or anything
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have my server that is the router that does nat
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had a dlink router b4
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it sucks
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i decided to use the server as a router
10:00 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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10:01 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #ping
10:02 <armabot> pong
10:02 <wrtlprnft> ...
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10:55 <wrtlprnft> argh
10:55 <wrtlprnft> that's why i couldn't reach anything on my local network
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a wlan and a normal port
10:56 <wrtlprnft> and i had the normal port started, but no cable in it
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2000 0 0 eth1
10:56 <wrtlprnft> loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
10:56 <wrtlprnft> default router 0.0.0.0 UG 2000 0 0 eth1
10:57 <wrtlprnft> the first one was the one used for internal addresses, but it was using eth0, which had no cable connected to it
11:06 <spidey> -_-
11:07 <spidey> i no longer like that game :(
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11:17 <wrtlprnft> hi there eddiefantastic
11:33 <eddiefantastic> hello
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, I think my sprinkler's been running all night
12:04 <spidey> #night
12:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:34 <wrtlprnft> #ping
13:35 <armabot> pong
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> installing win xp in vmware
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
16:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic:
16:28 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig wingmen
16:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. (default: 2.2029) || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team. (default: 2.75362)
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17:51 * DrJoeTron is tired from sleeping badly
17:51 <wrtlprnft> sleep more?
17:51 <DrJoeTron> nah wont work
17:51 <DrJoeTron> everyone else is up
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18:53 <ghableska> hello
18:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
19:14 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:15 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
19:15 * luke-jr_ was up too late playing FreeCiv w/ spidey, Lucifer_arma and GodTodd
19:16 <ghableska> :P
19:16 <ghableska> how late?
19:16 <luke-jr_> 4 am
19:16 <ghableska> O_o
19:16 <luke-jr_> lol
19:17 <luke-jr_> FreeCiv games take at least as long as Monopoly
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is early for me...
19:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if you haven't slept yet?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is the time you stand up early :P
19:19 <luke-jr_> me = Japanese
19:19 <luke-jr_> GodTodd = Americans
19:19 <luke-jr_> spidey = Russians
19:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma = I forget
19:20 <wrtlprnft> must be a big map...
19:20 <luke-jr_> not too big
19:20 <luke-jr_> too much water
19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I was the VIkings
19:21 <luke-jr_> just cuz the sea was so wide
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> until I cut out and went to bed :)
19:21 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
19:21 <luke-jr_> I got tired too
19:21 <luke-jr_> and turned on everyone
19:21 <luke-jr_> and then I started winning -.-
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had a pretty good civilization building until I decided to help my friends, form alliances, and tax the shit out of my people
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the tax rate cut my scientific development, but when the aussies arrived we were pretty close in development
19:23 <wrtlprnft> so what have vikings to do with WWII now?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> it was FreeCiv, not a wwii game
19:24 <wrtlprnft> 19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> one of the guys playing was German, and the game picked Hitler for his name (and he didn't change it, only a couple of us changed our names)
19:24 <luke-jr_> 1. Hitler signed a peace treaty with me
19:24 <luke-jr_> 2. Hitler attacked spidey
19:24 <luke-jr_> 3. Hitler decided our treaty was mere paper
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> but spidey wasn't the Poles :)
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> the guy playing hitler left for awhile, then came back
19:25 <luke-jr_> so it was spidey and I vs Hitler
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler got psycho after he left
19:25 <luke-jr_> Luci came to help out
19:25 <luke-jr_> then Hitler wiped out spidey
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I would've attacked Germany straight on if I wasn't in that corner. :) But I subverted Tokyo anyway after he took it from you.
19:25 <luke-jr_> and then he got Tokyo
19:26 <luke-jr_> and my people rebelled and started a new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> spidey took over the new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> then I got tired and the fun began
19:26 <luke-jr_> I cancelled all my treaties
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> literally a couple of turns before my invasion force landed. I was going to give you one old city for every two that I took, figuring I could keep half as payment for helping :)
19:27 <luke-jr_> spidey requested a new peace treaty, and I made him giving me a city a condition
19:27 <luke-jr_> then after I had the city, I cancelled that too
19:27 <luke-jr_> heh
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh. That's probably when spidey hit me up for a treaty, and all I would give him was "peace"
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> I rejected his alliance proposal, he spent most of the game talking about "when I attack Luci"
19:27 <luke-jr_> lol
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> after Germany took Tokyo from me, I went and demanded a bunch of shit from them
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> I had a decent-sized invasion force about to land. :) He didn't back down, though
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I landed my invasion
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> they were wiped within seconds. :(
19:28 <luke-jr_> lol
19:29 <luke-jr_> shoulda took the crap and wiped em out anyway
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> ? no, my invasion force was wiped out
19:29 <luke-jr_> o
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he had musketeers and my invasion force was built on catapults. I had science to obsolete it by the time it attacked, but I was still a republic, that shit was expensive!
19:30 <luke-jr_> as my troops gained on spidey's last city, he popped up a peace treaty request ;)
19:30 <Lucifer_arma> here I was, working on steam and still attacking with catapults. I focused on mostly peaceful technology because the route to a space ship is mostly peaceful.
19:31 <luke-jr_> I focuses on nukes
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it was my first time playing in like 2 years, everything was different the game has progressed so much
19:31 <luke-jr_> heh
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> there wasn't "auto settler" and "auto explorer" the last time I played
19:31 <luke-jr_> autoexplore is NICE
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> I spent more time wrestling with the UI on my turns than actually planning
19:31 <luke-jr_> I just send my explorers off exploring ;)
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's all nice. Get it to a point, then go smoke a cigarette
19:31 <luke-jr_> lol
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I did too, and I focused on shipbuilding at first so I could keep exploring
19:32 <luke-jr_> me too
19:32 <luke-jr_> after I remembered to set a goal
19:32 <luke-jr_> what idiot defaults it to Mysticism?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had fun, though. It was a lot of fun. They've really got the game in pretty good shape now.
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, you need temples pretty early
19:32 <luke-jr_> yeah
19:32 <luke-jr_> oh?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had cities going into revolt because I didn't have temples
19:32 <luke-jr_> I never have any temples
19:33 <luke-jr_> I just use the "very happy" manage option
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> small cities? Mine were growing pretty quickly.
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, but that's not the most productive one, is it? Wastes workers, being entertainers and crap.
19:33 <luke-jr_> I never even though of religion as making cities nicer
19:33 <luke-jr_> until you mentioned it
19:33 <luke-jr_> then my goal went to Monotheism =p
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm also basically a civ1 player, too, not a civ2 player.
19:34 <luke-jr_> I've never played either
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> ah. I played civ1 back on the Amiga. :)
19:34 <luke-jr_> sounds old ;p
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> it is.
19:34 <luke-jr_> was it on FD0: or PC0: ? =p
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> um, amiga put the d first and used lowercase. df0: df1: dh0: etc
19:35 <luke-jr_> oh, right DF0
19:35 <luke-jr_> but PC0 was PC0, IIRC
19:35 <luke-jr_> for floppies with FAT
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> could be, I don't recognize it.
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, didn't use fat on floppies, used amiga's FFS
19:36 <luke-jr_> ah
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, I try to avoid going to war until I have tanks
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> then I go to war and try to build nukes as quickly as possible
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> only time I ever found a different plan useful was against a really shitty ai
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> in which case I conquered half the map with catapults, and the other half with tanks
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah shit, I wanted to see what scenarios they had and wound up getting sucked in
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> pulled myself out, though! Gotta mow the lawn :)
19:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone still got an amiga?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I've got an amiga emulator...
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to have a real amiga
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, *had*, but I've got the roms for the kickstart still so I can download it and run it
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, you didn't ask "anyone used to have an amiga"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'd answer *that* with "I had an Amiga 500 with a 20MB hard drive yadayada"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a 500 with hd?
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> external i guess
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it plugged into the bus on the left. It was a pain
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it was great, but it made placing the thing on the desk a pain :)
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my 1st amiga was a 2k
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "my"
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha. We went for the budget model. Well, that and my dad was somewhat married to the "all in one case" idea and didn't care for cards and slots and stuff
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> later i got a 4k
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and to play old games a 500
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I quit computing after that A500 for something like 7, 8 years
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that 500 died pretty soon
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sadly
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want to be a geek anymore, doncha know. The A600 and friends hadn't come out yet, the 3000 had barely come out
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the 4k did eventually aswell
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna get a 4000T
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the President and the top accountant took what they could and fled the country, leaving a bankrupted shell behind them
19:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy moving on. It was a nice computer, but it's pretty much obsolete now, and I managed to lose my interest in obsolete computers :)
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 5 of 6 computers i have are more or less obsoleted
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the sparc station is totally..
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still having a 32 bit sparc cpu
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I am still very interested in the games for those old computers, but that's what emulators are for
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1
19:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would you consider the sun ultra 10 obsoleted?
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, but I gotta go. bbiab
19:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 29/33
20:47 <armabot> 29 / 33 = 0.878787879
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21:29 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
21:29 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
21:32 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
21:32 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:32 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:33 <ghableska> ?
21:33 <guru3> it's on the forums ><
21:34 <ghableska> okay
21:34 <TiTnAsS> sup tank
21:34 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: register your nick with nickserv to be sure :P
21:34 <TiTnAsS> wtf nickserv?
21:35 <TiTnAsS> not interested
21:35 <TiTnAsS> tank, any good servers goin now days?
21:35 <joda_bot> hi wrtlprnft
21:35 <wrtlprnft> hi joda_bot
21:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Anything important I should read ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> you alive again?
21:36 <joda_bot> Been a bit out of touch
21:36 <wrtlprnft> umm, well, ph needs your team stuff :P
21:36 <joda_bot> Nah, not really alive, but able to spend sometime on coding / planning
21:36 <wrtlprnft> #seen ph*
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ph* could be philippeqc (2 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), phil (2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), philippeqc_ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 42 seconds ago), philippeqc__ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), or ph (17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 22 seconds ago)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't really know about the team stuff, just that it's needed for ph's zone stuff to be useful
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ie not force players to rename themselves to blue1, blue2, yellow1 etc
21:39 <joda_bot> Yeah, phillippe said he made a simple implementation to test it
21:39 <joda_bot> I'll have a look at it, and use the wiki to do some planning
21:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:39 <joda_bot> I might not be in IRC often, but I'll read my email and go online while working on it
21:41 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:41 <TiTnAsS> joda
21:41 <TiTnAsS> are you just "joda" from ingame?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> arma developing is kinda sleepy now
21:41 <wrtlprnft> joda.bot he is
21:41 <TiTnAsS> oh
21:41 <TiTnAsS> nvm then
21:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe he used to be just joda some time ago, before i was here :P
21:43 <Vanhayes> TiTnAsS: so were you ever in a clan called LOL?
21:43 <Vanhayes> or was that the imposter?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it's a team x_X
21:43 <TiTnAsS> no
21:43 <TiTnAsS> i wasnt in "LOL"
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: yes
21:43 <TiTnAsS> that is the poser
21:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: I've not been yoda though
21:44 <Vanhayes> hmm have we ever talked before this?
21:44 <TiTnAsS> nope
21:44 <Vanhayes> wow
21:44 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-219-71.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
21:44 <ghableska> O_o
21:44 <TiTnAsS> hey your mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:44 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:44 <Your_mom_arma> hi
21:44 <Vanhayes> he has been impostering you for a couple months now then
21:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:44 <TiTnAsS> so ive heard
21:44 <TiTnAsS> thats why im here now
21:44 <joda_bot> hi Your_mom_arma
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I needed to talk to you, but now I don't remember why
21:44 <TiTnAsS> and theres proof of authenticicity at the forums
21:44 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:44 <TiTnAsS> your_mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> wanna go play?
21:45 * Lucifer_arma thinks it says Really Good Things that the only thing TiTnAsS's poser friends have left to them is to impersonate people
21:45 <TiTnAsS> and what exactly is with the "_arma"?
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they can't rip-grind the server, can they?
21:45 <Your_mom_arma> which server?
21:45 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: probably because I'm late with working on arma ;)
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i can ^^
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i remember that bug
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: heh. I honestly don't remember what it was anymore, just that we were talking about something and you would have been Really Helpful to have around at tht time :)
21:46 <TiTnAsS> its nice and fixed correct?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: the _arma is because just Your_mom is already taken IIRC
21:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> same with Lucifer_arma. Lucifer was already taken. I had to do it in FreeCiv last night, too, because (you guessed it) Lucifer was already taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> ic
21:46 <TiTnAsS> im suprised TiTnAsS
21:46 <TiTnAsS> wasnt taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> >.<
21:46 * joda_bot wonders what could require himself
21:46 <wrtlprnft> get unique nicks, guys!
21:47 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I chose "arma" was because the name is only mine here, and it's the only place I'm willing to lay claim to it
21:47 <Vanhayes> wow that log looks alot better now wrtlprnft
21:47 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: :)
21:47 <TiTnAsS> sigh..
21:47 <ghableska> organized :D
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> well now, who else would call themselves Lucifer_arma ?
21:47 <TiTnAsS> werent you guys gonna make
21:47 <TiTnAsS> login names
21:47 <TiTnAsS> a while back?
21:47 * Lucifer_arma is considering changing his regular ingame name to match his irc name
21:47 <TiTnAsS> posers are a pathetic thing - -;
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, luke-jr_ blocked it
21:48 * Lucifer_arma notes which crowd TiTnAsS used to belong to around here
21:48 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: luke-jr_ joined the discussion, so don't expect anyting to come out of it, ever
21:48 <TiTnAsS> sigh
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> how many of them are in jail now, anyway?
21:48 <TiTnAsS> yeah.. i remember luke
21:48 <TiTnAsS> he ALWAYS gave me
21:48 <TiTnAsS> shit
21:48 <TiTnAsS> about EVERY little thing
21:48 <TiTnAsS> just cuz im a bit slow -.-
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's really awesome that the porn spammers are spamming the World Servers forum :)
21:48 <joda_bot> perhaps we should code a hidden "DEV" flag into all clients ? ;)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:49 <TiTnAsS> no clue what that means
21:49 <TiTnAsS> but, i vote you restart the login post thing
21:49 <TiTnAsS> and ban luke frmo posting
21:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe make a forum everyone can see but luke-jr_?
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I say we *force* TiTnAsS to *restart the login post thing*
21:49 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:49 <TiTnAsS> okay
21:49 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ill find and bump
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> this should be fun :)
21:49 <TiTnAsS> bump with the saying
21:49 <TiTnAsS> *IF LUKE POSTS
21:49 <wrtlprnft> banning luke-jr_ from posting won't help
21:50 <TiTnAsS> I WILL QUIT TRON FOREVER*
21:50 <wrtlprnft> he'll bitch in here
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or on the grid
21:50 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or with SVN commits
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't be useful anyway
21:50 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:50 <TiTnAsS> what should i search for
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> hell Tit, with a promise like that, I'd encourage luke-jr_ to go post in it :)
21:50 <TiTnAsS> LOL
21:50 <Your_mom_arma> i guess he's going to quit tron forever then
21:50 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:50 * Lucifer_arma celebrates
21:50 <TiTnAsS> whats the name the of post
21:50 <TiTnAsS> remember?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i can tell you the post luke-jr_'s gonna make
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> search for "authentication"
21:50 <wrtlprnft> From: Luke-Jr
21:50 <TiTnAsS> hey man, dont gimmi such a hard time, im JUST back ^^
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Text: ...
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:50 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> er
21:51 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> #google authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.27 seconds: Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=81331>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3403&sid=73475880358d09e8a69dd61ac0905608>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - XMPP Authentication: (3 more messages)
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, click one
21:51 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> the 2nd one is started by luke-jr_
21:51 <TiTnAsS> thats..weird
21:51 <wrtlprnft> so i'd ignore that
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #f
21:51 <armabot> Random Fortune: "Please don't hit me! I'm brittle!" || --Zoidberg
21:51 <joda_bot> Anything important Luke did ?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yeah, number of axes != 4
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and video output (which noone uses anyways)
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, he blocked all work on authentication in favor of a pretty complex non-existant system that is inarguably superior to what we were working on
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> with one minor problem, of course.
21:52 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83181#83181
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't exist
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> we should just rip the code out of FreeCiv
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the "making it exist" part is an implementation detail
21:53 <joda_bot> eh, is Luke part of the trium ...
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> a minor one, isn't it?
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: no :)
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no
21:53 <TiTnAsS> trium?
21:53 <joda_bot> so what's the issue ?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: he's gonna bitch without end?
21:53 <TiTnAsS> who cares
21:53 <TiTnAsS> just skip his posts
21:53 <TiTnAsS> dont even read em
21:53 <TiTnAsS> thats what i used to do
21:54 <wrtlprnft> and he's just doing something useful with tValue, if still way too weird
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, come right down to it, the only people that were working on it were me and Tank, and we both lost interest as a result of the longest, most tedious discussion on the subject ever
21:54 <TiTnAsS> unless they were flame directed tword me
21:54 <TiTnAsS> then id argue back of course
21:54 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:54 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: bump the thread on binary resources too
21:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing came out of that either
21:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: Perhaps the approach should be VERY simple
21:54 <TiTnAsS> just search for binary resources?
21:54 <TiTnAsS> o.O
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, "sound engine that I can just work on" vs "authentication I'm going to have to fight for". Which would you pick to work on?
21:55 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5351&sid=519e6d1ebc9eae51fbd5c47cbcb15920
21:55 <TiTnAsS> right?
21:55 <joda_bot> and see how that works, with only server based authentification from a text "file" / database
21:55 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: no
21:55 <TiTnAsS> argh
21:55 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:55 <TiTnAsS> hodl on
21:55 <TiTnAsS> misread
21:55 <joda_bot> We could learn from that , and then approach something more sophricated
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I thought we should go ahead and finish out what's there for md5 stuff *knowing* it wouldn't be secure so we could start addressing the social issues and a lot of backend issues and let luke or whoever rewrite the actual authentication part
21:56 <joda_bot> while still allowing ppl to use a simple protection later ( if we want that )
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we can put a lot of Really Useful Stuff in place that we need anyway with authentication with shitty authentication, same way philippe did his team zone hack while waiting for joda to fill in the blanks
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm technically working on my back yard, bbiab
21:56 <joda_bot> If the concept is complicated players it will be difficult to convince players
21:56 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:56 <joda_bot> if it's easy as "login" / password they'll probably understand it
21:57 <joda_bot> just my 2 cent ;)
21:57 <[dlh]> no, they will need to fill in a 100 line xml file. :o
21:57 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3378&highlight=
21:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: just my saying
21:57 <wrtlprnft> who cares if it's perfectly safe
21:58 <joda_bot> well, it should be reasonably safe in the range of it's concept
21:58 <joda_bot> but it hasn't to be from start
21:58 <joda_bot> that's what development versions are for
21:59 <Your_mom_arma> only a 50 line 80 char per line manually typed password in a .txt for each server you want to play
21:59 <TiTnAsS> btw
21:59 <TiTnAsS> why am i bumping this one?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> because luke-jr_ ruined it too
21:59 <wrtlprnft> alternatively bump this one http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3023&highlight=browser+resource
22:00 <wrtlprnft> the first one was just my attempt on bumping it
22:00 <TiTnAsS> god damn
22:00 <TiTnAsS> the forum keeps
22:00 <TiTnAsS> freezing
22:00 <TiTnAsS> with the background only
22:00 <TiTnAsS> and its pissing me off
22:00 <[dlh]> I think IRC lets you type more than 4 words per line, too ;)
22:01 <TiTnAsS> i cant get to edit - -; it keeps freezing
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> I
22:01 <wrtlprnft> never
22:01 <wrtlprnft> knew
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that
22:01 <[dlh]> yes,
22:01 <wrtlprnft> is
22:01 <[dlh]> really
22:01 <wrtlprnft> it
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really
22:01 <[dlh]> interesting
22:01 <wrtlprnft> true?
22:01 <ghableska> O_o
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <TiTnAsS> does anyone else have this forum freezing problem
22:02 <ghableska> nah
22:02 <TiTnAsS> or is it just me - -;
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> try deleating your cookies and clearing your cache
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> spelling*
22:03 <joda_bot> and stop using your 286 machine ;)
22:03 <joda_bot> perhaps firefox does help ?
22:03 <TiTnAsS> this be my new 4000$ dell
22:03 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:03 <TiTnAsS> and im running firefox
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> blame the liberal media
22:04 <TiTnAsS> and i delete my cookies and clear my cache every few days
22:04 <ghableska> 4000?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:04 <ghableska> wow
22:04 <TiTnAsS> ye
22:04 <TiTnAsS> its fast
22:04 <ghableska> xps?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> i got it as a gift
22:04 <TiTnAsS> yup
22:04 <TiTnAsS> gift for helping take care of a close dying friend
22:04 <ghableska> ah
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> sell it and go crazy at a penny candy store
22:04 <[dlh]> heh
22:04 <ghableska> haha
22:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:06 <TiTnAsS> i can dl porn at a whole new speed now!!
22:06 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:06 <wrtlprnft> ah, that's how you got to play arma?
22:07 <ghableska> :P
22:07 <TiTnAsS> o.O
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what to do on an alsa buffer underrun?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i couldnt get porn on my old comp
22:07 <TiTnAsS> it was to slow
22:07 <TiTnAsS> so now that i have porn
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i dont need tron
22:07 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: use a bigger buffer ;)
22:07 <TiTnAsS> ^^ lol
22:07 <wrtlprnft> so you got this stupid game instead?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> yup yup
22:07 <TiTnAsS> nah jk
22:07 <TiTnAsS> tron=fun
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i just havnt had time
22:07 <TiTnAsS> with studys
22:07 <TiTnAsS> and stuff
22:08 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: sound like you got your prioties right
22:08 <TiTnAsS> heh
22:08 <TiTnAsS> porn and school
22:08 <TiTnAsS> top of my list
22:08 <TiTnAsS> (jk about the porn thing of course - -;)
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, when you get right down to it, what are we protecting anyway? Credit card information? Tax returns submitted electronically?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> none of that, sadly. Just player stats and name on some niche internet game.
22:11 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld be happy with just a password per server kind of deal, most of the code for that is already written iirc
22:12 <joda_bot> if anyone implements it, be sure to cover some social stuff (like prevent a IP to register more than one nick per day)
22:12 <joda_bot> even dayly might flood a server on the long run ;)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> one important thing: the server shouldn't get the IP, ever
22:13 <wrtlprnft> err
22:13 <wrtlprnft> the plain password
22:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the initial development implementation might do it that way, and you can improve it to your needs ;)
22:14 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871F43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
22:15 <wrtlprnft> #seen z-man
22:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: z-man was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 29 seconds ago: <z-man> Team UK is missign players!
22:15 <wrtlprnft> welcome back i guess
22:15 <z-man> Gee, can't one get a little privacy sometimes? :)
22:15 <Your_mom_arma> #seen z-man_
22:15 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: I have not seen z-man_.
22:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: BS, I didn't block any such thing
22:15 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:16 <luke-jr_> he's blaming me that XMPP isn't integrated yet
22:16 <Your_mom_arma> about authentication system
22:16 <wrtlprnft> you aren't blocking it, just bloating it with requirements until noone can satisfy them
22:16 <wrtlprnft> and usuability from the user side seems to be way down on the list :(
22:17 <luke-jr_> nah
22:17 * z-man remembers why he didn't pop in here
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, you did block it :)
22:17 <luke-jr_> did not
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> did so times infinity plus 1
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, I was literally working on what we had, and you said "this is stupid" and then volunteered to write a new, better system
22:18 * wrtlprnft is watching everyone scare z-man away again
22:18 <z-man> define block? I thought luke was pushing XMPP?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> so I stopped, no need for us to duplicate each other's work, right?
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> i thought that was what irc was for, scaring away z-man
22:19 <z-man> then it would be called saz.
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> well played sir
22:19 <luke-jr_> Since nobody else here seems to be doing much advancing, I have a to-do list of complex tasks
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:19 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think authentication ever made it onto luke's todo list
22:19 <luke-jr_> (not that bug fix style progress is irrelevant)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm progressing on my lunch
22:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, nothing is happening since everything advancing one can do is on luke-jr_'s todo list
22:20 <luke-jr_> right now, the todo list is to finish the parser, DTC, and then XMPP integration
22:20 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DTC
22:20 <luke-jr_> if someone else wants to take one, go ahead
22:20 <wrtlprnft> argh, i unloaded the unix plugin
22:20 <Your_mom_arma> whats phillip been adding to the new zone version, anyone know?
22:20 <luke-jr_> DCT*
22:20 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: IIRC, it's in the wiki
22:21 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Your_mom_arma put it onto the wiki
22:21 <Your_mom_arma> well i mean recently
22:21 <luke-jr_> heh
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, that's probably 6 months of coding time for him
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, he might finish sooner
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious to see if he finishes before I finish the sound engine. :) I suspect he'll win that race.
22:22 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: he can probably add more once I've advanced my work ;)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> no code is ever finished
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see groundpig help him with that but it seems the time zone difference prevents that
22:23 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: he added some stuff about moving zones using mathexpr
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> well at least instintaneous communications
22:23 <wrtlprnft> like, a zone moving in circles
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the main thing preventing it is that neither of them think their work is relevant to the other :/
22:23 <joda_bot> I don't know what groundpig is interested in or how he behaved on forums, but I don't mind to garant him SVN access
22:24 <joda_bot> but it's not my decision ;)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> you could bump that thread if you'd like :)
22:24 <joda_bot> I won't start bumping around ;)
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> #seen groundpig
22:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: groundpig was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <groundpig> thanks!
22:25 * wrtlprnft watches TiTnAsS quitting tron forever
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, luke's right in the resource thread, that is already settled. Luke being a loud minority doesn't really change the consensus, unless you define consensus differently than I define it :)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well, nothing's done yet
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to burn that bridge with soundpacks, and a lot of work on the resource system is at the top of my to-do list because the whole rest of the sound engine currently depends on it
22:27 <luke-jr_> internet resource fetching already works fine, the only thing missing is resource archives and the only thing it needs is code, not talk
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and i don't feel like reading two long old threads to implement it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've been taking what's reputedly the hardest calc class in the shortest semester
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and, uh, that's why we moved the spec to the wiki. What's on the wiki is what needs to be used during implementation
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: more or less, we need a program that you give a resource filepath, and it fetches that and all it depends on into a ZIP
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and then we need something to install the ZIPs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no external programs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no windows user will be able to use them if they are CLI
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or at least very few
22:28 <luke-jr_> so make it GUI
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> the naming is also pretty obvious. The xml file reads "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml". The zip file would be "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit"
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that's lotsa work
22:29 <luke-jr_> I don't expect many people want to make resource packs from the game itself
22:29 <luke-jr_> no it's not
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> we start with a CLI app and then write a gui program that wraps it, same way nemo did the Mac OS X recorder helper app
22:29 * luke-jr_ nods
22:30 * spidey yawns
22:30 <luke-jr_> XMPP and DCT are much larger projects
22:30 <wrtlprnft> not THAT guy again
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> i mean, I really *really* hate saying this, but luke's right. Resource system is just waiting for someone to work on it, and my final is tomorrow. THen I have to do some work-work for the rest of the week
22:30 <luke-jr_> res packs are nothing
22:31 <wrtlprnft> UTF-8 needs to be done too, but noone has shown any interest in my branch
22:31 <luke-jr_> doesn't your branch work? why not merge it?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't work.
22:31 <luke-jr_> O.o
22:32 <luke-jr_> it's just an encoding change, right?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> it can output UTF-8 as a font
22:32 <z-man> I didn't know there was a branch for utf-8.
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zmannnnn
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BB95B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:32 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: So distributable zipped, drop in directory resource packs (aka zips) which don't have to extracted are dropped ?
22:32 * luke-jr_ also notes wrtlprnft's branch is still in private
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but it still has to do network translation (for older servers/clients)
22:32 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the installer part extracts them
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and input translation
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: what do you mean?
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zman, you here?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: you'd need to wake him...
22:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that might be a problem for Windows/OS X
22:32 <z-man> err, I just said something, so I am there.
22:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: depending on implementation, anyway
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> the way I figure it, you can download a pack automatically, you can download a pack and unzip it by hand and copy it into your cache, etc.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a branch in my private dir
22:33 <z-man> I assumed that now, yes :)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how can you be there if you're here?
22:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: automatically?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> which basically changes the font system to expect utf-8
22:33 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: yeah, you know, the automatic download system we've got already?
22:34 <TiTnAsS> /goes back to sleep
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and borks everything up as it doesn't receive utf-8
22:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: maybe move it out of private?
22:34 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I'm not that small red monster :)
22:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's not packaging, tho
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not
22:34 <luke-jr_> and that works
22:34 <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
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22:34 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does
22:34 <luke-jr_> <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
22:35 <z-man> thanks :)
22:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ basically anwered my question, so there are no zipped resource files which are transparently mapped into the resource cache
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> but whether that's packaging or not and whether it works or not isn't relevant, that the system will be used to download zipped resources is pretty obvious :)
22:35 <TiTnAsS> " Nothing here left to discuss. Though someone could certainly work on resource archives."
22:35 <TiTnAsS> thats not what everyone else here thinks
22:35 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:35 <joda_bot> that perhaps can be done later, though to safe some disk space
22:35 <TiTnAsS> they told me to bump it up while i bumped the authentification one up
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: actually, he answered it with his interpretation. Fact is, the person who implements it is going to make the call and we'll live with it.
22:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: zipped would only be manually distributed stuff
22:36 <luke-jr_> no need for it in the automatic setup
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: why?
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> says who?
22:36 <luke-jr_> ZIP doesn't work with it properly
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> give me a whole bunch of use cases
22:36 <luke-jr_> and standard HTTP compression uses gzip or bzip2
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ZIP doesn't *need* to work with the downloader
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> all the downloader does is ask for a file from a server, that's all it does
22:36 <TiTnAsS> and luke-jr, i never "ignored" you in the first place.. o.o
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's all it ever will do, afaic
22:37 * z-man is doing the dishes
22:37 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it does, since ZIP holds a subset of the path...
22:37 <TiTnAsS> rofl zman
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the path to the zip is the path to the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the zip *is* the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the resource is the zip!
22:37 <luke-jr_> or are we talking just about multi-file resources now?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're talking aobut one file resources. :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> one ZIP file resources
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> with many components
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:38 <luke-jr_> ZIP contains files
22:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6078 / (armagetronad/branches/utf8/ private/wrtlprnft/utf8/): Moved the branch out of my private dir into the main brances dir to make it more visible to others
22:38 * Lucifer_arma is off to work on his back yard some more, bbiab
22:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: z-man: happy now?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> this branch was created on revision 4827...
22:38 <luke-jr_> anyway, multi-file ("component") resources are already spec'd out
22:39 <TiTnAsS> .
22:40 <DrJoeTron> it's an imposter
22:40 <luke-jr_> lol
22:40 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: What was the problem with them in the spec ?
22:40 <luke-jr_> anyway
22:41 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: there was no problem, we just haven't used them yet
22:41 <TiTnAsS> whos an imposter?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> me
22:41 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: quake x uses a similiar concept
22:41 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:41 <luke-jr_> anyone want to play FreeCiv?
22:41 <TiTnAsS> <--NOT an imposter
22:41 * wrtlprnft is a noob on freeciv
22:41 * luke-jr_ too
22:41 * TiTnAsS doesnt know wtf freeciv is
22:41 <wrtlprnft> you'd need to tell me how :P
22:41 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: google
22:42 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if I know how
22:42 <TiTnAsS> nty
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia freeciv
22:42 <joda_bot> quake looks in subfolders and if there is no file in the subfolders, it starts searching the filetables of all the pk3 files it indexed at startup
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.52 seconds: Freeciv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv>; User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying>; User:Qwm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwm>; Category:GPL images - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
22:42 <joda_bot> which are zip files
22:42 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: seems faster to just extract them once when installed
22:42 <joda_bot> if a match is found inside a zip file (which have the same layout) as the default file system, then the file from the first zip file (in alphabetical order) is used
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: no ;)
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: It gets pretty easy to install / uninstall a moviepack or other "grouped" resources that way
22:43 <luke-jr_> only if you know how to use the filesystem
22:43 * TiTnAsS goes back to playing wc3 - -;
22:44 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the ZIPs would be renamed, and use the game to install
22:44 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: sure, but that's easy enough for most ppl and one might still code a gui to use it
22:44 <DrJoeTron> this kid keeps trying to be my friend
22:44 <luke-jr_> the game would extract them and such
22:44 <TiTnAsS> joe
22:44 <TiTnAsS> who?
22:44 <DrJoeTron> the shit head tit kid
22:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: so how do i play that game?
22:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:44 <TiTnAsS> shit head tit kid
22:44 <TiTnAsS> rofl
22:44 <TiTnAsS> whats his aim
22:45 * wrtlprnft started civclient
22:45 <TiTnAsS> i want to talk to him
22:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you tell your units what to do
22:45 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16
22:45 <spidey> luke-jr_ wanna play again? ;x
22:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: sure, if others are up to it
22:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
22:45 <spidey> GodTodd?
22:45 <spidey> O.o
22:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what server do i connect to, for a start
22:46 <TiTnAsS> talking to him now
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: pick any empty one I guess
22:46 <TiTnAsS> ill copy paste the convo to you in aim
22:46 <TiTnAsS> if you want
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: meet you there
22:46 <TiTnAsS> after
22:46 <wrtlprnft> umm, logged in
22:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:47 <luke-jr_> 5563?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> aouch
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <wrtlprnft> sorry
22:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: coming?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey:
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey spidey
22:51 <spidey> -_-
22:52 <joda_bot> cu later
22:52 <joda_bot> gn8
22:52 <joda_bot> #gn8
22:52 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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22:53 <Your_mom_arma> what game?
22:53 <spidey> luke-jr_ fix it -_-
22:53 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> i'm there
22:55 <spidey> Your_mom_armam freeciv
22:55 <spidey> wejp you're not
22:55 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <luke-jr_> different server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> can someone tell me
22:56 <TiTnAsS> what
22:56 <TiTnAsS> LOL server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> is?
22:56 <luke-jr_> LOL is a clan
22:57 <TiTnAsS> why does anyone care about it?
22:57 <luke-jr_> which one?
22:57 <TiTnAsS> LOL
22:57 <TiTnAsS> i saw some post saying "abuse of power at LOL by tna"
22:57 <TiTnAsS> but im not able to read it
22:57 <TiTnAsS> cuz my forums
22:57 <TiTnAsS> keeps timing out
22:57 <luke-jr_> the fake TNA bought one from me, and then screwed LOL over
22:57 <TiTnAsS> for no reason
22:58 <TiTnAsS> hmm?
22:58 <luke-jr_> the other LOL server is 4 team fortress
22:58 <TiTnAsS> howd he "screw" lol over from buying a server from you..
22:58 <TiTnAsS> and why didnt he just make his own server..
22:59 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: 1. my server is on a business connection with low pings and such
23:00 <luke-jr_> 2. he shut it down and redirected LOL's site to porn when they kicked him out
23:00 <luke-jr_> 3. he never paid me
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, not me. I'm almost done in the back yard, and I've got to cook early, eat early, and sleep early, so I can have a good night's sleep and stuff for my test tomorrow
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> heh
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> luke cash first then services
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> at least he loved Jesus while he did all those things
23:01 <TiTnAsS> ..
23:01 <TiTnAsS> he got it on credit under my name?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> or what?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> rofl
23:02 <luke-jr_> I don't demand prepayment
23:02 <TiTnAsS> then youll never get paid for anything
23:06 <DrJoeTron> luke you arent going to see that money
23:06 <DrJoeTron> mom is right
23:06 * DrJoeTron Arma's lovable internet detective
23:08 <Vanhayes> freeciv has changed since the last time I played it, it has sound now 0_o
23:08 <DrJoeTron> Sound!?
23:08 <DrJoeTron> RAD!
23:09 <z-man> bedtime! cu all.
23:09 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
23:09 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:09 <TiTnAsS> "rad!"
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> " He also tries to brag, saying he partly developed arma (?) and invented double grinding (?). "
23:10 <TiTnAsS> aha...
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23:28 <DrJoeTron> what an interesting community we have
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