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Log from 2006-08-03:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 03 2006
00:02 <spidey> #g 1,000,000 / 1,000
00:02 <armabot> 1,000,000 / 1,000 = 1,000
00:02 <spidey> erm
00:02 <spidey> that's not the answer i'm looking for >.<
00:03 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 1,000,000
00:03 <armabot> 1,000 / 1,000,000 = 0.001
00:03 <spidey> that's more like it
00:03 <spidey> i think
00:04 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 10
00:04 <armabot> 1,000 / 10 = 100
00:04 <spidey> hmm
00:04 <spidey> ok
00:04 <spidey> if 100 = 1,000
00:05 <spidey> well
00:05 <spidey> 10,000 = 1,000
00:06 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
00:06 <spidey> ?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> that's why my cockpit is so darn slow
00:06 <spidey> it's so big?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr's change to tValue kept outputting WARNING: Base::GetValue called!
00:06 <wrtlprnft> multiple times per frame
00:08 <wrtlprnft> and that into a screen session inside a konsole
00:08 <wrtlprnft> that does eat at least some CPU
00:08 <spidey> heh
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5947 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: (log message trimmed)
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5845 to 5946:
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5944 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-02 22:08:15 +0200 (Wed, 02 Aug 2006) | 6 lines
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  Added meriton's improved Lag-O-Meter and axes indicator: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6761 .
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  - Moved all the defined classes into a new namespace to avoid possible future conflicts as the code doesn't use our normal naming convention.
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  - Made the color blend factor and minimal size of the Lag-O-Meter configurable.
00:09 <spidey> if 1,000,000 dollars = 1,000 points
00:09 <spidey> how would i figure out how many dollars = 1 points
00:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, screen session usually help
00:09 <Luke-Jr> s
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5948 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Argh, I thought the last commit would amount to nothing. Reverting it. Sorry
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: for log-spamming.
00:10 <spidey> screensessions never did anything to me.....
00:10 <spidey> i always had to use one to run luci's python script
00:12 <wrtlprnft> log-spamming? I never do that
00:12 <linuxlizzard> spidey, $1000 per point * 1000 points = 1,000,000 ;)
00:12 <spidey> oh ya
00:12 <spidey> well
00:12 <spidey> i was looking for a decimal
00:12 <spidey> i think
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be 3 years old to know true happiness
00:13 <spidey> lol
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> after that, all happiness is slightly fake
00:13 <wrtlprnft> why did z-man merge again?
00:14 <spidey> ??
00:14 <wrtlprnft> maybe I did something wrong
00:14 <spidey> he reverted a change?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> no
00:15 <wrtlprnft> that change he made himself
00:15 <wrtlprnft> looks like I did the merge wrong for SVN, getting the same result in the trunk, but missing some revision management thing
00:15 <wrtlprnft> and so he merged again, hoping nothing would change in the files themselves
00:16 <wrtlprnft> but svn merge added one line twice
00:16 <wrtlprnft> then he reverted that
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably see a forum post about it in a minute.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man reached 4000 posts!
00:19 <spidey> O.o
00:20 <wrtlprnft> or maybe there won't be a post...
00:20 <spidey> #check calculator
00:20 <armabot> spidey: "calculator" may be spelled correctly.
00:20 <spidey> hmm
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i'll ask him next time he shows up here
00:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:20 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:20 <DrJoeTron> sorry luke, was at the hospital for about 4 hours
00:21 <linuxlizzard> hah, whats this for
00:45 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: O.o?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, installed bad-behavior on the wiki
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> now someone try to spam the wiki so I can see if it works, heh
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01:10  * deja_vu slaps spidey around with a camera *.*
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01:12  * spidey stabs deja_vu
01:12 <deja_vu> cool =]
01:12 <deja_vu> how sweet of you :)
01:12 <spidey> deja_vu
01:13 <deja_vu> spidey
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5949 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: wrtl says this is ok
01:30 <Luke-Jr> hum, tornado weather outside
01:30 <ghableska> :O
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02:34 <ghableska>  
02:35 <spidey> -
02:35 <ghableska> {}
02:35 <spidey> {}
02:35 <ghableska> "
02:40 <spidey> "
02:44 <Vanhayes> *
02:46  * Vanhayes is finally done painting his house
02:46 <Vanhayes> it took 37 hours spaced over 6 days to do the whole thing.
02:46 <ghableska> :D
02:47 <ghableska> What color is it now?
02:47 <ghableska> Or were you just repainting it?
02:48 <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:48 <Vanhayes> last time it was painted was about 12 years ago so it really needed it
02:48 <spidey> ew
02:48 <spidey> black makes a room look so small
02:49 <Vanhayes> its the outside...
02:50 <spidey> a black house??
02:50 <Vanhayes> we've been painting the inside the last few years, only one room needs it now
02:50 <spidey> i've heard of yellow,tan,white,and even red
02:50 <spidey> but never black
02:50 <ghableska> Lol.
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last from Vanhayes with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <ghableska> O_o
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last  with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:51 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:51 <spidey> #last --from Vanhayes --with eaves
02:51 <armabot> spidey: [19:51:53] <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:51 <spidey> owned
02:51 <Vanhayes> there we go
02:51 <spidey> O.o
02:51 <Vanhayes> ahaha
02:51 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:51 <Vanhayes> there
02:51 <ghableska> Haha.
02:51 <Vanhayes> only the eaves are black
02:51 <Vanhayes> rest of the house is white
03:05 <ghableska> so...
03:22 <Vanhayes> ?
03:41  * Vanhayes pokes ghableska 
03:42  * ghableska pokes back
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> bah
03:54 <Vanhayes> #list
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
03:57 <Vanhayes> #list alias
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:57 <Vanhayes> #help svn
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (svn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )".
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
04:01  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:02 <Vanhayes> armabot roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:02 <Vanhayes> #help roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
04:03 <Vanhayes> # roulette spin
04:03 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
04:06 <Vanhayes> #list insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 'insight' is not a valid plugin.
04:06 <Vanhayes> #help insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: (insight <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/insight.php".
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04:17 <spidey> lmao
04:18 <ghableska> ?
04:18 <spidey> if scope starts losing he leaves
04:18 <ghableska> :P
04:18 <spidey> that adianaine or wtf ever guy was him
04:18 <ghableska> did you win?
04:18 <spidey> i saw you join,why'd you leave
04:18 <spidey> :p
04:19 <ghableska> :P
04:19 <spidey> i won a few
04:19 <spidey> but my ping's like 300+ there
04:19 <spidey> for some reason
04:19 <ghableska> o.0
04:19 <ghableska> isn't the server in the US?
04:19 <spidey> new jersey
04:19 <ghableska> still...
04:19 <spidey> yes it's us
04:19 <spidey> routing must suck
04:20 <spidey> cause i get a better ping on bugfarm
04:20 <spidey> lol
04:20 <ghableska> lmao
04:20 <spidey> seriousl
04:20 <ghableska> my ping is usually around 80 there
04:20 <spidey> when there's only 4-5 people there
04:20 <ghableska> haha
04:20 <Vanhayes> umum I got a 91 in shrunkland, won and scope  didnt run off
04:20 <spidey> i get 160-169
04:20 <ghableska> :P
04:20 <spidey> Vanhayes, but mostly he was in chatbot
04:20 <spidey> :p
04:20 <spidey> the last part >.<
04:20 <ghableska> that's my average ping on bf :P
04:21 <spidey> ghableska i hate you >.<
04:21 <ghableska> aww
04:21 <spidey> mine should lower when i get dsl
04:21 <ghableska> what do you have now?
04:21 <spidey> cable,lol
04:21 <ghableska> huh?
04:21 <spidey> but charter blows
04:21 <spidey> plus i'll be getting double the speed on the dsl connection i'm getting
04:21 <ghableska> oh
04:22 <spidey> i'll go from 3mbit to 6mbit
04:22  * Vanhayes is pretty sure he has 10 mbit
04:22 <spidey> no
04:22 <spidey> that's your eithernet card's max speed
04:22 <spidey> if you have 10mbit you're paying a shitload
04:23 <Vanhayes> .I think my ethernet is 100mbit
04:23 <spidey> www.speakeasy.com
04:23 <spidey> test your connection speed
04:23 <spidey> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
04:24 <spidey> Download Speed: 1651 kbps (206.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> Upload Speed: 155 kbps (19.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> ah
04:24 <spidey> my isp is on pms
04:24 <spidey> that's why my ping's so high
04:24 <ghableska> Download Speed: 4706 kbps (588.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> Upload Speed: 242 kbps (30.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> :P
04:24 <spidey> like i said
04:24 <spidey> i hate you
04:28 <Vanhayes> hmm its lower than before 
04:28 <Vanhayes> Download Speed: 4776 kbps (597 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <Vanhayes> Upload Speed: 347 kbps (43.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <spidey> ;)
04:29 <ghableska> Grr.
04:29  * Vanhayes beat ghableska 
04:29  * ghableska beat spidey :P
04:29  * Vanhayes beats spidey too
04:30 <ghableska> Vanhayes: are all your isp problems gone?
04:30 <ghableska> like how you used to leave servers randomly?
04:31 <Vanhayes> still happens when it rains
04:31 <ghableska> O_o
04:31 <Vanhayes> for the most part it stays up and stable
04:32 <ghableska> "for the most part" ;)
04:32 <Vanhayes> had a stable 130-140 in bugfarm
04:33 <Vanhayes> heh ya when it does go crazy it goes really crazy, at least 400 pings random disconnects every few minutes and transfer times 3kb/s tops
04:40 <Vanhayes> stonehedge map in fortress is pretty good
04:41 <ghableska> what is it?
04:44 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml
04:44 <Vanhayes> it was made by wrtlprnft but made into fortress by ed with some editting too
04:44 <GodTodd> i beat you all :D
04:44 <GodTodd> Last Result:
04:44 <GodTodd> Download Speed: 5549 kbps (693.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:44 <GodTodd> Upload Speed: 255 kbps (31.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:45  * ghableska still beats spidey :P
04:45 <spidey> i'll have a 80kb/s upload
04:45 <spidey> which means i'm gonna host a tron server local
04:45 <spidey> maybe 2 with 10 players each
04:45 <Vanhayes> operative words "i'll have" not I have
04:45 <spidey> then i'll have about 4-5 server
04:45 <spidey> :D
04:45 <Vanhayes> sall them the spider empire
04:45 <Vanhayes> call*
04:45 <spidey> lol
04:45 <spidey> hmm
04:46 <spidey> i might :D
04:46 <ghableska> O.o
04:46 <spidey> well
04:46 <spidey> i run 2 on the webserver
04:46 <spidey> 1 i get from luke
04:46 <Vanhayes> btw ghableska there is now a map previewer-->> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
04:46 <spidey> then if i run 1-2 local
04:46 <spidey> ;'x
04:46 <Vanhayes> do you pay for lukes?
04:46 <spidey> yes...
04:46 <Vanhayes> 16 a month?
04:47 <spidey> heh
04:47 <spidey> something like that
04:47 <spidey> i can't wait till i turn 17
04:47 <spidey> i'm getting my ged and a job
04:47 <spidey> ;x
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48  * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48 <spidey> and my other grandma and greatgrandma have about $4k saved up for me to get a car
04:48 <Vanhayes> if I say it enough it should come true
04:48 <spidey> hahah
04:48 <spidey> you're gonna fail
04:48 <spidey> i know it
04:48 <spidey> ;x
04:49 <Vanhayes> well Ive never really failed a full grade just too many seperate courses
04:49 <spidey> lol
04:49 <spidey> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:49 <Vanhayes> night
04:49 <ghableska> cya
04:52 <spidey> er
04:52 <spidey> not as tired as i thought
04:52 <spidey> i went downstairs to piss and decided to make a hamburger
04:54 <Vanhayes> hmm im hugry too, wonder what there is to eat here
04:54 <ghableska> ice cream?
04:54 <Vanhayes> maybe
04:54 <spidey> i'm outta ice cream
04:54 <spidey> :(
04:54 <ghableska> :(
04:54 <spidey> we're outta money till tomorrow >.<
04:55 <spidey> we made it 1 month of $80 of groceries
04:55  * Vanhayes goes to hunt scrounge something to eat
04:55 <Vanhayes> er no hunt
04:55 <Vanhayes> -hunt
04:55 <ghableska> :O
04:55 <spidey> lol
04:55  * ghableska takes cover
04:55 <spidey> pick a movie
04:55 <spidey> i need one to watch
04:55 <spidey> i've got just about everything
04:55 <spidey> so...
04:56 <ghableska> Brokeback Mountain :P
04:56 <spidey> no
04:56 <spidey> and i won't have it either
04:56 <spidey> :p
04:56 <ghableska> Blade Runner?
04:56 <spidey> my grandma has the dvd
04:56 <spidey> blade rubber
04:56 <spidey> that's like
04:56 <spidey> where he hunts these humoids?
04:56 <spidey> and falls in love with one
04:56 <ghableska> Yeah.
04:56 <spidey> or is that number 2?
04:56 <ghableska> two?
04:56 <ghableska> brb
04:56 <spidey> see, i've got just about everything
04:56 <spidey> :p
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05:04  * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:04 <ghableska> yuck?
05:05 <Vanhayes> heh its actually very good
05:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
05:07 <ghableska> did you just mix it up?
05:07 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
05:07 <Vanhayes> argh
05:08 <Vanhayes> I cut the water melon up and put the juice and chucks in and put it in thr blender
05:08 <Vanhayes> the*
05:08 <ghableska> Hmm
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt 
05:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --nolimit
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:09:43] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt, [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit, and [22:05:23] * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:09 <Vanhayes> hmm must have been reset then
05:09 <ghableska> Vanhayes is making me hungry :-/
05:10 <Vanhayes> lol id send you some but im prett sure the yogurt would be bad by the time it got there
05:10 <ghableska> where do you live again?
05:11 <Vanhayes> new brunswick canada
05:12 <ghableska> 1414 miles...
05:12 <Vanhayes> #g 1414 miles in kilometers
05:12 <armabot> 1,414 miles = 2,275.61242 kilometers
05:12 <Vanhayes> damn...
05:13 <ghableska> yeah, it might get stale...
05:13 <ghableska> I once had yogurt with fungus in it on british airways
05:13 <Vanhayes> argh did you eat it?
05:13 <ghableska> yuck, no :P
05:14 <Vanhayes> lol maybe it was supposed to be like that, never know with those british...
05:14 <ghableska> heh
05:19 <ghableska> #night
05:19 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:25 <Luke-Jr> [1] Granting 0.013246 seconds of lag credit.
05:26 <Luke-Jr> what is all this? I'm getting a ton
05:34 <Luke-Jr> oh my... beautify wrecks havoc on if..elseif..elseif..elseif..elseif.....else
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06:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking around right now?
06:21 <spidey> O.o
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're not GodTodd 
06:21 <spidey> haha
06:21 <spidey> luci
06:21 <spidey> how's this look for ya
06:23 <spidey> Lucifer_arma , http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/600/windozeeq8.jpg
06:23 <spidey> look better now? ;x
06:24 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: about as kicking as i get ;)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> with the little msn icon down there?
06:24 <spidey> ya?
06:24 <spidey> what about it?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd, you want to start writing on my website?  like regularly?
06:24  * Lucifer_arma thinks that gives it away as a windows desktop
06:25 <GodTodd> depends on what you want written i suppose
06:25 <spidey> haha
06:25 <spidey> that's not the point
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more of what you want to write.  :)  There's not really any fiction, it's mostly commentary, just, ummm
06:25 <spidey> you said if it didn't have the xp stuff pread all over
06:25 <spidey> so now it doesn't ;x
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, not to be a bad blog, but to be something good.  Then after expenses are covered (they usually aren't), we split the difference
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> that sort of writing deal
06:26 <GodTodd> kind of free association type stuff then?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> so, you know, commentary both political and social, tutorial-style, whatever.  Whatever you want to write.
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, structured, still.  If the article is one page, then it should read like a well-written essay, or structured like a story.
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> if it spans several pages because you've decided to split it, then it should be structured accordingly
06:27 <GodTodd> i hate stream of consciousness ;)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> we could collaborate on stuff if we wanted, books etc.
06:27 <GodTodd> sounds good
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I hate the kind of writing that comes to mind when you say blog
06:27 <GodTodd> me too
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not really after that.  it's not a journal, don't use it like a diary, right?  ;)
06:28 <GodTodd> right...i figure that if people are bored enough to read what i had for breakfast then they are bored enough to read a political commentary anyway :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> my readership has pretty much dropped to nothing, so all I bring to the table is a website that's there and with a fair amount of content already
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> since it's on my server, we can do pretty much anything we want, you know?  No stupid web-hosting limitations.  If a readership appears, then so will the money to put it on a real server.
06:29 <GodTodd> what kind of production would you need?  
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> whatever you want.  :)
06:29 <GodTodd> errr...want i guess...not need
06:29 <GodTodd> :)
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> the idea goes like this:
06:30 <Luke-Jr> crap, this thing crashes the debugger
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I write whenever I want, and I try to make it once a week.  I've been falling down on the job, though.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> you write whenever you want, and you try to make it once a week, but I won't yell at you for falling down on the job.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> we try together to make sure that at least 4 new articles appear each month
06:30 <GodTodd> looking at about a page or so a time?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> a complete article at a time
06:31 <GodTodd> k
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> the size should be determined by the article, not by any other arbitrary thing
06:31 <GodTodd> sounds doable....pretty much you're delegating half of your writing work ;)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, assuming we both reach the goal (which isn't a lot, really, it's about 2 hours a week), then we double the work that's done :)
06:32 <GodTodd> right
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we split in half after costs, as an informal partnership.  We can formalize it if real money appears and it's necessary.
06:32 <GodTodd> and i haven't been working on writing enough lately...that'd give me a reason to force myself to keep the wheels turning
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we do aim for real money, mind you.  :)
06:32 <GodTodd> of course :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> and you promise not to break anything, I'm going to put you in the administrator group.
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> you did make an account, right?  I thought I saw it there.
06:33 <spidey> put it on a real server?
06:33 <GodTodd> i can promise not to break anything on purpose...
06:33 <GodTodd> yeah i have one
06:34 <GodTodd> in fact i got the "you haven't been here for a while" email tonight :)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's there
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I just installed the module that sends that email :)
06:34 <GodTodd> well it borked...i've been to your site after 4/21 :P
06:35 <GodTodd> logged in too :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> consider the site "recently rebuilt".  :)
06:35 <GodTodd> k
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll try to get a mailing list setup at some point, that's part of making money with a website anyway.  I need to install that module, and right now I'm working on putting the "make our lives easier" modules in
06:36 <spidey> lol
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you can use bbcode, wiki formatting, or html, you'll see the list.  If you want something else, you'll have to tell me.  Modules have to be isntalled manually in drupal.
06:37 <spidey> ew @ drupal
06:37 <GodTodd> k
06:38 <GodTodd> actually....i might be able to use this as kind of a freelancing springboard too...
06:38  * GodTodd tries to think of ways to maximize the possibilities. :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotten work from it before.  ;)
06:46 <GodTodd> might have something on lack of respect for others' property brought on by our "just buy a new one" societal view...
06:46 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you want to write something like a book review, or something that's both special and common enough that there may be code to support it,
06:47 <GodTodd> pretty much OpEd pieces?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> see if there's a module at drupal.org that I can install to help you.  :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretty much.  You can also put up recipes (which I'm considering doing myself), how-to articles for anything, document an ongoing project of yours, whatever.
06:48  * GodTodd is reading the "going to school" one that was just posted ;)
06:48 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> as long as there's something for a reader to take from it that he can say is his.
06:48 <GodTodd> that's the goal of all my writing ;)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> The difference between that and just telling people what you did today is that in the second, they're just reading about what you did.  Whooppeee, right?  ;)
06:49 <GodTodd> exactly
06:49 <GodTodd> i doubt many people would pay to hear about changing a shitty diaper :)
06:49 <GodTodd> errr read
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> so when I have written about what I did, it's usually in short-story format designed to carry a theme and stuff like any other short story
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> revenue right now is google ads.  there's a cafepress store, but it's never sold anything.
06:50 <GodTodd> sounds like mine ;)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> google ad revenue is at the lowest its been since I started the ads.  That is, it was lower when I started, but this is the lowest since then.
06:51 <GodTodd> i'll probably see if i can catch runoff traffic to my site too
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it barely covered expenses last year, if you define expenses loosely
06:51 <GodTodd> i run google ads on mine as well...couple affiliate banners that might stay or go...dunno yet
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've always found affiliate banners useless.  Google ads are good, they usually mean something to what's on the page, and I'm happy with them.
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> google pays pretty well for advertising, so if we can just get traffic up, we should do fine.
06:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i check my google ads periodically...they seem to match the content really well
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> so that's a second part is pimping the site.  :)  After you write an article, if you know a place that takes links with a readership that's interested, it doesn't hurt to post there.
06:53 <GodTodd> verily true
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> like, whenever I write an article about linux I go to a few linux sites and try to get into their third-party listing.  I've seen traffic up around 10k unique visitors a day for long periods
06:54 <GodTodd> since it's opinion i can use hearsay, right?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> to give an idea of what we need, 10k unique visitors a day for 3 months might get us a $100 check from google.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, definitely.  If your source is really genuine, give it a real citation.  If it's not, don't try to claim authority on it, but do try to provide your own estimate of the reliability of the information.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't hurt to mention every now and then that the strength of your conclusions is limited by the relibility of your information.  :)
06:55 <GodTodd> ok...cuz i'm a sadly nostalgic fuck...and i have a *cough*myspace*cough* page and am getting the whole "destruction of property" thing from there
06:56 <GodTodd> well...the impetus for it anyway
07:04 <spidey> did scope lose remote admin on shrunkland?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, yes.
07:05 <spidey> awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, there was a kid in my texas government class who said you weren't cool if you didn't have a myspace page
07:05 <spidey> explains why he didn't kick me earlier,too
07:05 <spidey> hahaha
07:05 <spidey> myspace suck
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to ask if I was even cooler than that because I had my own web server, but he dodged the question
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, GodTodd, we'll probably want to eventually have guidelines for some things, like if we do a lot of reviews (there's a review node type), so we can have some minimum quality on those things
07:07 <GodTodd> right
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but this is informal now, see if it works out for us and for the site.  Later, we can rename the site and get a real domain and stuff for it, to reflect that we're in there together.
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <GodTodd> that's kind of how i'm approaching it
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but let's get some readership before we worry too much about that stuff.  :)
07:08 <GodTodd> 'course...like it or not...if done well it could turn into a sort of "e-zine" thing
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:08 <spidey> hmm
07:08 <spidey> tron just locked up
07:08 <spidey> O.o
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> unless you just dream up a really nice name or something.  :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I do like the "Dave's Stupid" theme that's going.  I like it a lot, actually.
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...something along that line....it sticks in the head
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and self-deprecating beats pretentious every time
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <GodTodd> that's why mine is my "little slice of mediocrity" ;)
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
07:09  * Lucifer_arma knew you wouldn't choke on the name, or he wouldn't have asked in the first place.  :)
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07:10 <GodTodd> i find that if you hype things too much then you are setting others up for disappointment...if they don't expect much then you are free to blow them away
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and I used to get emails pretty regularly from people who were blown away
07:11 <GodTodd> i'm sure
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's died off completely now, and I'm a little sad about it :(
07:11 <GodTodd> we'll get it back
07:11 <GodTodd> as long as we haven't lost any of our touch :)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure we will.  :)
07:12  * Lucifer_arma is going to grab another smoke, then write up the article that tells any stray visitors what's going on now
07:12 <GodTodd> i hate society as a general rule so that'll probably be a running theme heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, one minor thing.  The content type you mostly want to use is "story".  Not "page", although there's not a lot of difference between them.
07:12 <GodTodd> ok
07:12 <GodTodd> good to know
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you'll know if what you're writing is special enough to need a different content type.  If you don't know, then "story" is what you want.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> however
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> "quote" puts it in the random quote generator, "quote of the second"
07:14 <GodTodd> and the "articles" dropdown is the section it goes into?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes, with control-click and shift-click working as you'd expect
07:14 <GodTodd> k
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> as a rule, try to use existing categories as much as possible, but if you need new ones, add them
07:15 <GodTodd> right
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> adding new taxonomy is a little on the weird side, though.
07:15 <GodTodd> heh..."Everyone else tries to be clever." that's new :)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> Also, the menu on the left is hand-written, so after you add a new category you have to add the menu item manually.  It's a pain, but I prefer the menu like it is compared to the alternatives I've seen.
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've been updating my site the last couple of days, trying to get it into real shape again, and it's just about there.  :)
07:16 <GodTodd> ok :)
07:16 <GodTodd> looks good so far
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> one thing that needs fixing still is showing pictures in articles.  I want the author's picture to show.  It doesn't have to be a photo, just a regular avatar-like thing is fine
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> so you should upload something pretty soon in case that ever materializes.  I think I broke the node template, or maybe there's a flag somewhere I didn't set quite right.
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I just added a few input filters taht I don't know how to use, but you should be able to do inline pictures now, too, if you need them.
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> also, in case you were wondering.  There won't be a religion category unless you really really really badly need it.  :)  I put religion into "philosophy", but don't talk about it much.
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07:23 <GodTodd> yeah...i prefer if people can't tell from my writing what religion i am....tho it'll probably shine through that it's not really mainstream at times
07:23 <GodTodd> heh
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> Awesome
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> not sure I like it, actually.  Be careful with camel-case words, the freelinking filter wants to make new nodes when you use them.
07:35  * Lucifer_arma is talking about what the freelinking filter did to the name GodTodd in the article he just published.
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you might have noticed the google ads disappeared for you.  At least, I think they did.  That might just be for me,
07:37 <GodTodd> one last initial question (yeah i know that is kind of an oxymoron)...which formatting type is best to use?  i know it defaults to wiki....is that best?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> but the module that handles those automatically disables them for me.
07:37 <GodTodd> nah they're gone for me too
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I made wiki the default because I prefer that one.
07:37 <GodTodd> k
07:37 <GodTodd> i figured
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> it uses phpwiki formatting, so use ! for headers
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a link or something for it.  You should be able to change the one you prefer in your profile.
07:37 <GodTodd> right....i'm *gasp* reading the instructions on it
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is well-supported, and the filtered html is pretty nice if you don't mind using raw html.
07:38 <GodTodd> what'd it do to my name on there?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is new, though.  I just added it a few minutes ago.
07:38  * GodTodd checks.
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> made it a link :)
07:38 <GodTodd> ahhhh
07:38 <GodTodd> lol
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> you might take advantage of that to write your "about me" page and add it to the menu
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> but bbcode is what phpbb and other forum software uses, so if you're used to it, knock yourself out.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> Just be aware the <h1..6> tags are preferred for headings because search engines care about that.
07:39 <GodTodd> right
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki input filter uses them, afaik.  It should.  If it doesn't then we need a new one, heh.
07:39 <GodTodd> heh
07:41 <GodTodd> heh...i always feel weird reading about myself
07:41 <GodTodd> :/
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> it grows on you after awhile.  Back when I first got my Windows vs Linux article linked (which generated thousands of hits every day for several weeks) I found all sorts of referers where people were talking about me
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> most were saying good things, but there were people bitching.  There always is.
07:45 <GodTodd> you can please some of the people some of the time ;)
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> what doesn't please me is that people don't bitch when I intentionally write inflammatory stuff, but they let it out when I write stuff that's not in any way inflammatory
07:46 <GodTodd> heh
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh well.  I guess it's not supposed to make sense
07:46 <GodTodd> w00t....my first edit was successful
07:46 <GodTodd> :)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?  what did you edit?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, new articles default to published, front page.  If you'd prefer to default to unpublished, I can set that.  It's tuned to my workflow right now.
07:47 <GodTodd> the latest article...architectural engineer would bore me to death
07:47 <GodTodd> ;)
07:47 <GodTodd> just had to change it to electrical
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> so we can change the workflow to match it up.
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, sorry.  All these damn engineers.  It's my wife that wants to be an architectural engineer.  :)
07:48 <GodTodd> ahhh :)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> see, I don't just make shit up.  I'm just dylsecix
07:48 <GodTodd> my biological father is an architect...so not too out of the blue heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between an architect and an architectural engineer?
07:48 <GodTodd> dyslexics of the world, untie!
07:49 <GodTodd> not sure
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> architectural engineers are smart
07:49 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> actually, architects are artsy-fartsy types.  The degree for architect is usually out of the fine arts department.
07:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5950 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tValue.cpp tools/tValue.h tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp): Split comparisons out of Conditional into their own subclasses
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> so they sit around and be pretentious, and then architectural engineers turn that into sound structures that can be built without killing anybody
07:50 <GodTodd> 'course BSEE will probably translate to "cubicle coder" eventually so i'm trying to avoid that fate
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, tron flashback
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> can I have your popcorn?
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:50 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <spidey> well
07:51 <spidey> appearently everyone doesn't know i'm blaze
07:51 <spidey> which should be obvious i am
07:51 <spidey> sheh
07:51 <GodTodd> i do
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I do too
07:51 <spidey> i mean people not in this channgel that play tron
07:51 <GodTodd> oh...well say what you mean then heh
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <spidey> hahaha
07:51 <spidey> ok Luke-Jr
07:52 <GodTodd> hey...now *that's* a low blow
07:52 <spidey> :p
07:52  * Luke-Jr coughs
07:52 <spidey> lmao
07:53 <GodTodd> oh...umm...hi Luke-Jr.....ummm....spidey was talking about you....
07:53 <GodTodd> :)
07:53 <spidey> haha
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey just wishes he had my skillz
07:54 <Luke-Jr> ;)
07:54 <spidey> riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
07:54  * spidey coughs
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I don't see you doing anything with Arma other than playing and admining =p
07:54 <Luke-Jr> tho I guess the latter takes some skill
07:54 <spidey> latter?
07:54 <spidey> playng and admining?
07:55 <spidey> what else you want me to do?
07:55 <Luke-Jr> latter would be admining
07:55 <spidey> make little server babies
07:55 <Luke-Jr> well, for example, I'm improving tValue stuffs
07:55 <GodTodd> that's not a good visual
07:55 <spidey> haha
07:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i don't know enough c++ to mess with that :)
07:55 <spidey> example
07:56 <GodTodd> now, spidey, you *do* realize that that's not the only reason we have robotics, right? ;)
07:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: exactly =p
07:56 <spidey> i was looking for the code that minimizes text to 15 charss
07:56 <spidey> didn't find it
07:56 <spidey> >.<
07:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, so what else you want me to do? besides play and admin? :)
07:57 <spidey> fuck it?
07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: so an about me thingee would be submitted as a page?  or still as a story?
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: shrug, nothing =p
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> that would be a page
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: those are the skillz you wish you had =p
07:58 <GodTodd> k...thought that's how i was reading it
07:59 <spidey> Luke-Jr, why would i wish to set myself on your path????
07:59 <spidey> that'ss fuckin social suicide man
08:01 <Luke-Jr> as if social is important
08:01 <spidey> exactly!
08:01  * spidey tells Luke-Jr to go meet some chick
08:02 <spidey> now
08:02 <spidey> if you'll excuse me
08:02 <spidey> i have to sleep
08:02 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I'm married
08:02 <spidey> because tomorrow i have a "life" to catch up on
08:03 <spidey> actually i have a year an a half of life to catch up on
08:03 <GodTodd> a life....i used to have one of those *sigh*
08:03 <spidey> so did i
08:03 <spidey> now i'm getting it back :p
08:03 <spidey> because in 4 months i have to grow up :(
08:05 <Vanhayes> getting your GED and a job isnt growing up
08:05 <spidey> no
08:05 <spidey> but if i want to keep my girlfriend i do :)
08:06 <spidey> i think she's tired of talking on the phone/internet >.<
08:06 <Vanhayes> when was the last time you saw her?
08:06 <spidey> hmm
08:06 <spidey> about
08:06 <spidey> december
08:06 <spidey> maybe
08:07 <Vanhayes> ...
08:07 <spidey> probably november
08:07 <Vanhayes> um does she live on the other side of the country?
08:07 <spidey> no?
08:07 <spidey> she lives intown
08:09 <Vanhayes> I dont understand
08:09 <spidey> well
08:09 <spidey> she works
08:09 <spidey> at night
08:09 <spidey> i'm asleep when she's home
08:09 <spidey> so i'm going to sleep tonight,then we're going somewhere tomorrow
08:10 <spidey> just don't know where, she wouldn't tell me >.<
08:10 <spidey> now,goodnight i have to get up at 6am and stay up the whole day :(
08:10 <spidey> #time
08:10 <armabot> spidey: 01:11 AM, August 03, 2006
08:10 <spidey> bah
08:11 <spidey> #night
08:11 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> neat
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: check out the control panel :)
08:23 <GodTodd> anything i'm looking for in particular?
08:25 <GodTodd> wow...that's pretty neat :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, just that it's pretty neat :)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder where it gets its icons, it would be nice if it had more icons
08:28 <GodTodd> yeah it would
08:33 <Vanhayes> #night
08:33 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:50 <GodTodd> ok...i've done the obligatory "about me" page....in "Articles:" do i just select "About Me" and just make sure the parent menu item is "about"?
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I think :)
09:03 <GodTodd> k
09:04 <GodTodd> ok...that one's there now
09:04 <GodTodd> :)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/sitemenu  <-- how does that look?
09:05 <GodTodd> i'd tell you, but it's a nazi page ;)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit
09:05 <GodTodd> heh
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> now try :)
09:06  * Lucifer_arma forgets about access restrictions sometimes
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's only enabled for admins right now
09:06 <GodTodd> looks good
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now there should be a block on the left
09:08 <GodTodd> yep
09:09 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:09 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Phasers locked on target, Captain.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> not sure what I think about the block, it shows "Articles" at the top and it really kinda shouldn't if there's only one node type in there
09:10 <GodTodd> true
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> aha, you can weight individual terms
09:12 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw that on the submissions thing
09:12 <GodTodd> same deal?
09:12 <GodTodd> bigger the weight the further down it is?
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> soooo, hm.
09:15  * Lucifer_arma is looking at the other menu now trying to figure out if it can be replaced
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely think I'd rather have something autogenerated, so we can just add new terms
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't let us add nodes to the menu
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, we could take everything out of that menu except the "About this site" stuff
09:20 <GodTodd> true
09:24 <GodTodd> going dropdown?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> yep, problem solved :)
09:25 <GodTodd> :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> now we just need to figure out what to put in that menu since it's function has completely changed
09:26 <GodTodd> the dropdown?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the dropdown
09:27 <GodTodd> hmmm k
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it looks good like it is, but there's the Articles menu over there now...
09:28 <GodTodd> right
09:29 <GodTodd> what kind of function are you envisioning for the dropdown menu?
09:29 <GodTodd> anything yet?
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I'm going to bed pretty soon
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, site stuff
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> like, about me, contact, home
09:30 <GodTodd> k
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> stuff that's for users to administer themselves on the site and generally not linked to content
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, I used to have this sort of layout where categories went down the side and site stuff went along the top.  I sacrificed that with mambo.
09:30 <GodTodd> then it's good that it's got more visibility :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> apparently now I can have it back :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the site's been a little tricky to navigate for awhile
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> wtf, I deleted those items and now they're in the navigation menu!  :(
09:36 <GodTodd> wow...that's...different
09:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5951 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 5 dirs): An initial form of tValueParser-- not quite sure how to test this, but it looks like it works
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fixed, sort of
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> figured out what happened.  I deleted the parent items, and the children were taken out of the menu like you'd expect.
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> Then they defaulted to navigation if they don't have a parent
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> so I disabled them so you can't see them, I'll delete them later
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think the top menu should *be* navigation instead
09:39 <GodTodd> ahhhhh i see
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> only problem, if you're not logged in, I think navigation shows a login form
09:39 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: if it works, why can't you test it?
09:40 <GodTodd> the navigation heading has freelinks and site map under it
09:40 <wrtlprnft> poor jonathan, his page gets copied over and over again
09:40 <GodTodd> those are above the login boxes
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, looks like user login is a different block, that's good
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...logged out to make sure :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> saw that :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now to figure out some css with it, move a couple of menu items, disable a couple more
09:49 <GodTodd> Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent.
09:49 <GodTodd> hh
09:49 <GodTodd> heh*
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> background-color: none; should get rid of the background, right?
09:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
09:56 <wrtlprnft> background-color:transparent;
09:56 <wrtlprnft> that'll get rid of it if there's no image
09:57 <wrtlprnft> background-image: none; should get rid of the image IIRC
09:57 <wrtlprnft> so you probably want background: none transparent;
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> didn't work.  :(
09:58 <wrtlprnft> try !important?
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> nope.  :(
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my website, the menu at the top
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
10:01 <GodTodd> you tried "background: transparent"?
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can look at the stylesheet:
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/themes/davefancella/style.css
10:04 <wrtlprnft> you sure the background is on the .nice-menu?
10:04 <wrtlprnft> it could be on the parent or a child
10:05 <wrtlprnft> .nice-menu is an ul, and I don't see anything that would even apply a background to uls
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't know where it's at
10:05 <wrtlprnft> what bg do you wanna get rid of?
10:05 <GodTodd> background: none transparent !important; <---- you tried that without 'none'?
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> div class="block block-nice_menus" id="block-nice_menus-3"   <--- there's a div up there
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> eah, I tried it without 'none'
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get rid of a background you can't see, actually, because you're not an administrator
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's another menu in the left, with the blue links in the left, and the same white background in the top
10:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue :(
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> here's the source css:
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/modules/nice_menus/nice_menus.css
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> aha, got it for one
10:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I dunno how =p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: just go into some rPerFramTask and put some test code there
10:11 <wrtlprnft> i always use display_cockpit_lucifer for that
10:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
10:11 <wrtlprnft> have it parse some hardcoded formula and output the result to stderr
10:13 <Luke-Jr> i c
10:13 <Luke-Jr> like how I split Condition?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok that's it for now, I'm going to bed.  I'll fool with it again tomorrow night, maybe even get it "done" :)
10:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, the code I have seems to work :)
10:20 <Luke-Jr> think we can unify callback/config/function into a single API?
10:20 <Luke-Jr> or at least callback/function
10:22  * Luke-Jr thinks we should make a factory for tValue types, make every callback/function into a tValue subclass, and make config classes a subclass of tValue too
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> config options might be general
10:23 <wrtlprnft> callbacks should be supplied as a list
10:23 <akira> greetings
10:23 <Luke-Jr> as a list?
10:23 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit callbacks don't make sense for other thingss
10:23 <Luke-Jr> hm
10:23 <wrtlprnft> err, map of course
10:23 <wrtlprnft> hi akira 
10:23 <akira> had to have alook into the arma channel  at last ;)
10:24 <wrtlprnft> hehe
10:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so we'd need a classifier for the factory of a sort
10:25 <Luke-Jr> so the factory would need info on the name, flags, and creation of the class
10:25 <Luke-Jr> flags would be stuff like if it's directly callable (as a function), or "for cockpit use only"
10:25 <wrtlprnft> the factories would only work for similar kinds of tValues
10:26 <wrtlprnft> like, all operators with an lvalue and rvalue
10:26 <Luke-Jr> not necessarily
10:26 <Luke-Jr> I presume boost has something for a variable number of arguments
10:26 <wrtlprnft> x_x
10:27 <Luke-Jr> so we could standardize a ::ReCreate or such that use it
10:27 <Luke-Jr> a simple array could probably work, actually
10:30 <wrtlprnft> call me crazy, but I'm gonna turn this into a map --> http://www.tron-sector.com/images/Backdrop.gif
10:32 <Luke-Jr> hopefully not by hand
10:34 <wrtlprnft> well
10:34 <wrtlprnft> any other ideas?
10:35 <Luke-Jr> write a script to do it? =p
10:35 <Luke-Jr> would probably be easier
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11:07 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
11:07 <wrtlprnft> slow and painful :s
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13:55 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png <-- almost finsihed :)
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13:59 <DrJoeTron> low key today
14:05 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
14:05 <wrtlprnft> any suggestions before I upload it?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> you have got to be fucking kidding me.
14:06 <DrJoeTron> this is genious
14:06 <wrtlprnft> it's a map
14:06 <DrJoeTron> how big?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> the map?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> oh i saw
14:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 550x550
14:07 <DrJoeTron> hmm
14:07 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter, there's SIZE_FACTOR
14:07 <DrJoeTron> thats what im talking about
14:07 <DrJoeTron> how big is it going to be :p
14:08 <wrtlprnft> it's 94KB
14:08 <wrtlprnft> not sure yet
14:08 <wrtlprnft> I'll uplaod it and make a server :D
14:08 <DrJoeTron> this is just insane
14:09 <wrtlprnft> GREAT
14:09 <wrtlprnft> ERROR: Cannot find resource temporary file! Perhaps the resource submission has already been completed? Perhaps your resource file is way too big? If not, please try again. If the problem persists, or if you want to add a way-too-big resource, contact Luke-Jr
14:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr Luke-Jr grrr
14:09 <DrJoeTron> like screaming jumping out of 20 story buildings crazy
14:11 <DrJoeTron> im downloading that warsaw game from the boards
14:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i missedd that bandwagon already
14:11 <wrtlprnft> now i brought it down to 67KB by removing whitespace and it still refuses
14:12 <DrJoeTron> you know what to do
14:12 <DrJoeTron> slip a couple bills into the cd drive ;) for convincing
14:13 <wrtlprnft> what's way to big about 25KB? That seems to be the upper limit
14:14 <wrtlprnft> *too
14:16 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
14:17 <DrJoeTron> i think i have an idea
14:17 <DrJoeTron> why dont you save it as a jpeg.
14:17 <DrJoeTron> then convert it
14:17 <DrJoeTron> to a png
14:18 <wrtlprnft> nonono
14:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to upload the image
14:18 <wrtlprnft> the text file as it's a map
14:18 <DrJoeTron> OH
14:18 <DrJoeTron> i was extremely puzzled on what you were trying to do exactly :p
14:19 <wrtlprnft> and I wanna get it onto the resource repository
14:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/tronsector.aamap.xml wants to be moved to the repository
14:21 <wrtlprnft> or alternatively change the filesize limit
14:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm, this map needs a waay better CPU/GPU than mine
14:29 <wrtlprnft> I get like 1.3 FPS
14:36 <wrtlprnft> I soo much wanted to have this map on CTWF with two zones... but I guess it would throw out most of the clients
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14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: error when compiling the trunk:
14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/113208
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17:25 <DrJoeTron> time to take up a 2nd language
17:25 <DrJoeTron> i'm thinking spanish, since thats what half of the population speaks here
17:27 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:27 <DrJoeTron> time to torrent rosetta stone 
17:27 <linuxlizzard> I'd go french but thats just me
17:29 <DrJoeTron> well i know SOME spanish
17:29 <DrJoeTron> should i go with latin america or spain?
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spin
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spain*
17:29 <DrJoeTron> good choice
17:32 <DrJoeTron> better kill the server
17:33 <DrJoeTron> come on you stupid seeders, seed me
17:35 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:35 <DrJoeTron> they heard me :)
17:35 <DrJoeTron> bah i dont wanna get daemon tools
17:35 <DrJoeTron> il just try and use nero
17:40 <DrJoeTron> well i just had the dumbest conversation
17:40 <linuxlizzard> sounds liek fun
17:42 <DrJoeTron> with tinass
17:42 <DrJoeTron> tit*
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:42 <DrJoeTron> who ever strikes the whole "d00d macs are better than pc" or "d00d, pc's are better than mac"
17:42 <DrJoeTron> you can just die
17:42 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:42 <DrJoeTron> because that is the dumbest arguement ever
17:42 <linuxlizzard> because we all know, as long as it has linux on it, its good ;)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> nerd!
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :P
17:42 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :D
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17:42 <DrJoeTron> and it went on for too long
17:42 <DrJoeTron> i just wanted to eat my food
17:42 <DrJoeTron> but no
17:42 <DrJoeTron> that couldnt happen
17:42 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:43 <DrJoeTron> hmm
17:43 <DrJoeTron> i think il get the newest vb episode while im at it
17:43 <linuxlizzard> vb...
17:43 <DrJoeTron> venture bros
17:43 <linuxlizzard> ah
17:45 <linuxlizzard> and I'll get back to playing the piano and watching stargate...
17:45 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:46 <DrJoeTron> i've learned the stupidest things on piano
17:58 <guru3> DrJoeTron: what did you learn on the piano?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the error you got means it's too big for PHP to accept...
17:59 <DrJoeTron> lots of video game medleys
17:59 <DrJoeTron> bubble bobble and most of mike tysons punch out :p
17:59 <guru3> lol
17:59 <guru3> figures
18:00 <DrJoeTron> :D
18:00 <DrJoeTron> tetris too :p
18:00 <guru3> ive only learned some of the original mario theme
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, how do the forums and the wiki work then?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> I can upload 100KB attachments there
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and I think the default limit is something like 2MB
18:03 <Luke-Jr> shrug
18:03 <Luke-Jr> anyway, not many maps are > 25 K
18:03 <Luke-Jr> since those require better GPUs
18:03 <wrtlprnft> and CPUs
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can you manually add that one?
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5952 /tools/map-preview/trunk/README.txt: Updated bugs section with info about duplicate points
18:04 <Luke-Jr> your compile error suggests to me a BISON bug of some sort
18:04 <Luke-Jr> in your version of BISON
18:05 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:05 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] sys-devel/bison-2.1  USE="nls -static" 0 kB
18:05 <Luke-Jr> weird
18:06 <Luke-Jr> maybe GCC?
18:06 <Luke-Jr> in my .cpp file, there's a ifndef malloc around that line
18:06 <wrtlprnft>  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 *
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
18:08 <DrJoeTron> oh god
18:08 <Luke-Jr> UGH!
18:09 <Luke-Jr> who ran astyle or whatever on upload.suid-php???
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5953 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: some defaults? ;)
18:10 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:10 <Luke-Jr> erm
18:10 <Luke-Jr> that wasn't the right message
18:10  * Luke-Jr stabs svn
18:10 <wrtlprnft> that was an old one
18:11 <wrtlprnft> I didn't
18:11 <wrtlprnft> though I might have ran %retab 100
18:11 <Luke-Jr> or that >:O
18:15 <Luke-Jr> there, sed fixes most of it
18:16 <wrtlprnft> fixes?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> it looked fine to me
18:16 <wrtlprnft> no tabs at all
18:16 <Luke-Jr> that's the problem
18:16 <Luke-Jr> tabs are correct for indenting
18:16 <wrtlprnft> annoying like hell
18:17 <Luke-Jr> only if you use crappy text editors :p
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5954 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Indentation is to use tab chararacters, please keep it that way
18:17 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:17 <Luke-Jr> anyway
18:18 <Luke-Jr> you should be able to run upload.suid-php with ?filef=/tmp/tronsector.aamap.xml
18:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5955 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Fixed infinite recursion loop and memory eater when very long messages should be sent to the remote admin.
18:18 <Luke-Jr> to add tronsector
18:19 <Luke-Jr> hrm, oops
18:19 <Luke-Jr> 1 sec
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5956 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: disable size limit on local uploads
18:21 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <Luke-Jr> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:21 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <armabot> Luke-Jr: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:21 <Luke-Jr> there
18:21 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
18:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that means i can put any file into my home dir?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> and upload it
18:23 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:23 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: in theory
18:25 <Luke-Jr> I need to go
18:25 <Luke-Jr> any problems, I remind you that you have commit access to upload-suid =p
18:26 <Luke-Jr> just don't abuse it and stuff, but that's obvious =p
18:27 <DrJoeTron> bastard tetris people
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18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5957 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Hmm, what about using the size limit for remote files and not for local files instead of vice versa?!
18:33 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:33 <wrtlprnft> finally...
18:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:34 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/ <-- look at the tronsector thumb
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the greatest- looking map preview thumbnail ever
18:35 <wrtlprnft> now I just need to find some supercomputer to play it on, I don't think any end user machine in existance will be able to run arma with that map at a reasonable framerate
18:54 <spidey> man
18:54 <spidey> i just had the worse fucking day ever
18:54 <wrtlprnft> wo
19:00 <spidey> [0] The resource file loaded from "wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml" wants to be at "wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml". Possible resolutions:
19:00 <spidey> a) If you are not the author of the resource, you should move it to the right place given above and adapt the reference pointing to it.
19:00 <spidey> b) If you are the author and want the file to stay where it is, you can modify its <Resource> tag so it wants to be where you put it. Consult the documentation on how to do that.
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: !
19:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, the Luke-Jr was an accident
19:02 <wrtlprnft> but that warning shouldn't happen
19:02 <spidey> it crashed the server
19:02 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:02 <wrtlprnft> probably bad handling of an empty category tag
19:03 <spidey> so how do i load the map?
19:03 <spidey> send it to me
19:03 <wrtlprnft> it is already there
19:03 <wrtlprnft> in resource/automatic
19:03 <wrtlprnft> or http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:04 <spidey> ok
19:04 <spidey> lets see if i can run it
19:04 <spidey> first
19:05 <spidey> how do i use nohup again?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> nohup and then the command
19:05 <wrtlprnft> or use screen which is waay better
19:05 <spidey> so nohup arma* &
19:05 <spidey> ?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:05 <spidey> server doesn't have screen
19:06 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:06 <spidey> how do i kill all arma processes?
19:07 <spidey> i'm run the map local seeing as i got twice the machine my webserver does
19:07 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad
19:08 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-]# no hup armagetronad-dedicated &
19:08 <spidey> [1] 18480
19:08 <spidey> nohup: appending output to `nohup.out'
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-]# ca t nohup.out
19:08 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <spidey> /usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:09 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <wrtlprnft> umm
19:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe give it the path?
19:14 <spidey> o
19:14 <spidey> ok
19:14 <spidey> it's working only
19:14 <spidey> it's holding onto the shell
19:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:17 <spidey> it's not starting :/
19:17 <spidey> [0] Nobody there. Taking a nap...
19:17 <spidey> [0] Timestamp: 2006/08/03 18:18:00
19:17 <spidey> [1]+ Stopped nohup /home/acid/aa/armagetron/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
19:17 <spidey> i had this problem before
19:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma told me something and it worked
19:18 <spidey> i just can't remember
19:18 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
19:18 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:18 <wrtlprnft> search for nohup or whatever
19:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't get the error on my server...
19:19 <spidey> how far back them chatlogs go?
19:19 <spidey> it doesn't have it
19:23 <spidey> well
19:23 <spidey> appearently it's starting
19:23 <spidey> but i can't connect to it >.<
19:24 <spidey> ok
19:24 <spidey> so i start it without nohup
19:24 <spidey> it works fine
19:24 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
19:26 <spidey> ok
19:27 <spidey> i'ma try this 2 ways
19:27 <spidey> 1 i'ma run it on my local server
19:27 <spidey> if it messes up i'll put it on this one
19:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft look for map test
19:34 <spidey> on the master server list
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> nohup armagetronad-dedicated &  <--- very important to put the & there
19:38 <spidey> it had the &
19:39 <guru3> if ctrl z stops a job
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> nohup is one word
19:39 <guru3> what is the ctrl sequence to just put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> no hup armagetronad-dedicated &  <--- nohup is ONE WORD
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't know there was a control sequence to put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I do know this:
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna get an A in calc 2!  :)
19:40 <spidey> wrtlprnft
19:40 <guru3> ahh
19:40 <guru3> you can do bg
19:40  * Lucifer_arma got a 100 on his last test
19:40 <guru3> right after you stop it
19:40 <guru3> cool beans x)
19:40 <guru3> old skool job control rocks
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, let's see
19:40 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0">
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 62 + 100)
19:40 <armabot> 87 + 62 + 100 = 249
19:40 <spidey> that mean it only works with that version
19:40 <spidey> ?
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 / 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 / 0.9 = 444.444444
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 444.44 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 444.44 - 249 = 195.44
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I did something wrong
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 * 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 * 0.9 = 360
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 360 - 249 = 111
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I need to get 111 on the final
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 62+11
19:42 <armabot> 62 + 11 = 73
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> and 73 on the make up test that will be given after the final and will replace the lowest test score
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 85 + 100)
19:42 <armabot> 87 + 85 + 100 = 272
19:42 <spidey> ./usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 272
19:43 <armabot> 360 - 272 = 88
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> give it the path, spidey
19:43 <spidey> i'm in the dir
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> if I max out the make up test, I only need an 88 on the final
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> then give it ./armagetronad-dedicated
19:43 <spidey> ?
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> nohup ./armagetronad-dedicated &
19:43 <spidey> actually
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> in bash, typically, the current path is not in $PATH
19:43 <spidey> i am using windows with putty
19:43 <spidey> ;x
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you're just using another cheap terminal, whatever
19:44 <guru3> what does nohub do?
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> nohup lets you run a program that detaches from the shell
19:44 <spidey> ahhh
19:44 <spidey> thanks :D
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you can logout after it starts and the program keeps running :)
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> normal job control stuff doesn't let you do that, the job still requires the shell
19:44 <spidey> now for wrtls map
19:44 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0"> << does that mean it only works on 2.8.0
19:44 <spidey> ?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> no?
19:45 <spidey> hmm
19:45 <spidey> i downloaded it and i keep getting this error
19:45  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know exactly what that means if you're running anything but 0.2.8
19:45 <spidey> that it wants to be loaded from wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> it also looks like a typo, there is no armagetron advanced anything that's versioned 2.8
19:46 <spidey> there's no 2.8.0?
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> he probably forgot to fill in the category
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's no 2.8.0
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> there is, however,
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and will be out sometime
19:46 <spidey> <Resource type="aamap" name="tronsector" version="0.0.1" author="wrtlprnft" category="">
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> see?  category is blank
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's supposed to be supported, and it's supposed to work.  If it doesn't, it's a bug.
19:48 <spidey> lets try this again
19:52 <spidey> bah
19:55 <spidey> [1] Command RESOUCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER unknown.
19:55 <spidey> nvm!
19:55 <spidey> lemme note
19:55 <nemostultae> you spelled RESOURCE wrong
19:55 <spidey> my spelling will kill me one day
19:56 <spidey> ok
19:56 <spidey> here we go
19:56 <spidey> :s
19:57 <spidey> hmm
19:57 <spidey> weird
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to the dentist:  I meant that I ate a rock candy!  Not that I need a root canal!
19:57 <spidey> wait
19:57 <spidey> does arma need a special server to download resources?
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> not if you use Luke-Jr's resource repository
19:58 <spidey> because it's telling me it can't download it
19:58 <spidey> well
19:58 <spidey> i was using my webserver
19:58 <spidey> because i don't have a account on lukes
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his boss:  I meant that she was a great helper, not a straight hooker!
20:00 <spidey> lol
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: blank categories are supposed to be allowed
20:01 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't strip the double /
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his new boss:  I meant that your wife had really good rice, not that she had really bad lice!
20:02 <spidey> lol
20:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I don't get any error like that
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his old boss:  I meant that I wanted my job back, not that I wanted to smoke crack!
20:03 <wrtlprnft> just 3FPS on my fastest machine that usually gives me around 300
20:04 <wrtlprnft> with all the fancy graphics options disabled
20:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft i do
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, too many walls
20:04 <spidey> ok i got it
20:04 <spidey> goto server map test, haha
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> I found that with my maze generator I couldn't go much higher than a 25x25 maze or fps were killed
20:04 <spidey> i get 9 fps
20:04 <spidey> :s
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> even so, some of the folks with slower computers only got 3-6fps
20:04 <wrtlprnft> and now it crashed!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that maps has a size of 90KB
20:05 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can't see that server
20:06 <spidey> :/
20:07 <spidey> way to many damned walls
20:07 <spidey> D
20:07 <spidey> :D
20:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft my local server runs it fine
20:08 <spidey> just my gfx can't handle it
20:16 <wrtlprnft> i guess I need to wait a few years until people actually have the capacity to play that map
20:17 <spidey> i should be able to when i get my gfx card
20:17 <spidey> which
20:17 <spidey> my mom said she'd pay the other half :D
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20:18 <|CruZ|> hi
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that map has 1980 walls
20:18 <DrJoeTron> can i play on it?
20:19 <spidey> hm
20:19 <spidey> lets try this
20:19 <wrtlprnft> if spidey gets the server back up...
20:19 <spidey> k
20:19 <spidey> sec
20:20 <wrtlprnft> i'm afraid my server won't be able to host that
20:20 <wrtlprnft> make sure you give LOTS of rubber
20:20 <spidey> wtf
20:20 <spidey> anyone seeU.S.Fortress on the master server?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.stm  <--- better send it back before you're found on the road, dead
20:21 <wrtlprnft> only US dogfight
20:21 <spidey> >.<
20:21 <wrtlprnft> STM?!
20:21 <DrJoeTron> ah
20:21 <DrJoeTron> what?
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20:22 <Lucifer_arma> stm?  what did stm do?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.STM
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.>>>>STM<<<<
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok, heh
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean cypher hacked the beeb?
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20:25 <wrtlprnft> now, what is STM?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Master of Sacred Theology
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Savings, taxation and imports in economics
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Scanning tunneling microscope
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Short-term memory
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Soci�t� de transport de Montr�al
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5242638.stm  <--- Madonna looks hot again, first time in years
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Software transactional memory, a method of handling concurrency in multithreaded systems
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Sunday Times Magazine
20:26 <wrtlprnft> St Thomas More College
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Stabilisation Tracking Mechanism
20:26 <spidey> ok
20:26 <spidey> joe
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Synchronous Transport Module, used as a Frame Format in Synchronous Digital Hierarchy
20:26 <wrtlprnft> In publishing, "STM publishing" means the scientific, technical and medical field of publishing.
20:26 <spidey> custom connect to
20:26 <wrtlprnft> STMicroelectronics, a worldwide semiconductor company.
20:26 <spidey> fallina-angels.com
20:26 <wrtlprnft> .stm, a Scream Tracker module file format.
20:26 <spidey> defualt port
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20:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey can't even spell his own domain, poor guy
20:27 <spidey> :/
20:27 <DrJoeTron> ok so what is it
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ip doesn't resolve
20:27 <linuxlizzard> erm
20:27 <DrJoeTron> default port
20:27 <DrJoeTron> fallen?
20:27 <spidey> custom connect to fallin-angels.com
20:27 <wrtlprnft> *domain name
20:27 <spidey> haha
20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:27 <spidey> :D
20:27 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ping fallin-angles.com                                       ~
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host fallin-angles.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping www.fallin-angles.com                                 ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host www.fallin-angles.com
20:28 <spidey> YOU misspelled it that time
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20:28 <spidey> fallin-angels.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping google.com                                            ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> PING google.com ( 56(84) bytes of data.
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> ack
20:29 <DrJoeTron> doesnt work
20:29 <wrtlprnft> I think we should analyze the crashes with that map
20:29 <DrJoeTron> port 4534
20:29 <spidey> ya joe
20:29 <wrtlprnft> 20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:29 <spidey> i said it crashed
20:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah no dice
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20:29 <DrJoeTron> oh ok
20:29 <DrJoeTron> thanks
20:29 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:29 <wrtlprnft> restart it?
20:29 <spidey> k
20:29 <spidey> everyone go in the server this time before hand :p
20:30 <wrtlprnft> until it crashes again
20:30 <spidey> it's started
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5241294.stm  <--- bbc pimping symantec?  bastards!
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done reading the news
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20:32 <wrtlprnft> client crashed
20:32 <linuxlizzard> ya mine too
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> I asked my wife if she wanted to see my linux lizzard
20:32 <linuxlizzard> hah
20:32 <spidey> ok
20:32 <spidey> offical
20:32 <spidey> to many walls :D
20:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like something's crashy about that map
20:33 <spidey> even joe has 6fps
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't crash anyways
20:33 <spidey> it hasn't yet
20:33 <wrtlprnft> even with millions of walls
20:33 <Compn> you guys testing new maps somewhere?
20:33 <Compn> on any server?
20:33 <Compn> :)
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you can spell the domain right
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml <-- we're testing that one
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> so it's a combination spidey spelling and map test
20:33 <linuxlizzard> oh so thats why
20:34 <linuxlizzard> ;)
20:34 <Compn> i mean... put it on a server and lets test it together
20:34 <Compn> not locally! internetally!
20:34 <wrtlprnft> I'll put it on mine
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20:34 <Compn> with some tubes
20:34 <spidey> it's on the net
20:34 <Compn> internet tubes
20:34 <spidey> dood
20:34 <Compn> hehe
20:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft it's not my spelling
20:34 <spidey> i triple checked
20:34 <spidey> it won't load from there
20:34 <spidey> to many "/"
20:34 <wrtlprnft> go to "stonehenge! ancient world!"
20:35 <DrJoeTron> 4fps
20:35 <DrJoeTron> good god
20:35 <spidey> haha
20:35 <spidey> it won't let me connect
20:35 <spidey> @ wrtlprnft
20:36 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it already crashed
20:36 <spidey> haha
20:36 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:36 <wrtlprnft> at least it auto- restarts
20:37 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5958 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added build rule to process tValueParser.ypp. The bison that comes with Mac OS X does not work -- you must install a newer version.
20:37 <linuxlizzard> .ypp ;P
20:38 <Compn> doh
20:38 <Compn> i think server crash again?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> it's still running
20:38 <wrtlprnft> but hopelessly screwed
20:38 <Compn> ah
20:39 <wrtlprnft> taking up 80MB of RAM
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and seems to be too busy to reply to incoming connects
20:41 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge is up again, feel free to join
20:42 <spidey> hmm
20:42 <spidey> i would put it on this computer
20:43 <spidey> but
20:43 <spidey> CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz, 512 KB (2% Load) Memory: 217/504 MB
20:43 <spidey> it's the best one i got :/
20:43 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: kicking?
20:43 <spidey> the server has a 2.40ghz celeron with 256mb ram
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, I was about to take a dump, what's up GodTodd ?
20:44 <Compn> 0 fps
20:44 <spidey> haha
20:45 <GodTodd> just wondering if there's any sort of "approval" process for articles for the site
20:45 <GodTodd> ie...do you wanna read them before i put them up?
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's up to you entirely.  Defualt is new articles are published.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to go through a small editorial process, leave it unpublished and it'll be marked as such.  Just tell me what your process is.  :)
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. do you want it to be "You throw on an edit, dave, and if you think it's ready publish it"
20:46 <GodTodd> k...and promote to front page puts the little preview on home, right?
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> or do you want "I'll publish when I'm ready, take a look sometime dave"
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's right.  That's also the default setting.
20:46 <GodTodd> k
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20:46 <Lucifer_arma> Those settings can be changed, that's just my workflow that's set there.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want them different, no problem.  :)
20:47 <GodTodd> well...i assume that if you have a problem with it you'll let me know :)
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> I can just about guarantee my only problems will be grammar and spelling :)
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20:47 <GodTodd> same as mine :)
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20:47 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, I need to install the spell checker.  I'm disappointed with my own spelling :(
20:48 <GodTodd> misspelled words irk me
20:48 <GodTodd> heh
20:52 <wrtlprnft> client crashed again
20:53 <wrtlprnft> at least this map should be good for fixing crashes
20:53 <wrtlprnft> or for profiling
20:53 <Compn> for burning cpu
20:53 <Compn> wrtlprnft : what speed cpu you playing on?
20:53 <Compn> i cant get 1 fps on 900mhz ;\
20:54 <Compn> but ya cut it in half
20:55 <GodTodd> blergity blergity blergity boo
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the server has a 400MHz CPU
20:55 <Compn> client client client
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the client is a P4 3.4GHz with HT
20:55 <Compn> i got an old riva tnt 16mb agp video card tho
20:55 <Compn> nice
20:55 <wrtlprnft> not that HT would help at all with arma
20:55 <Compn> its all about hte opengl support of your card ;p
20:56 <wrtlprnft> the card is an Nvidia GF 6610 XL
20:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5959 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Use BISON enviroment variable. It defaults to /opt/local/bin/bison.
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, the spell checker is a bit outdated
21:00 <GodTodd> published the first article...not my best work but serviceable i suppose :)
21:01 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: what version of BISON do I need to compile the trunk?
21:02 <nemostultae> I have version 2.2
21:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i have 2.1 and it doesn't work
21:02 <wrtlprnft> I'll try emerging 2.2
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> gets better with practice, writing for a website is different than regular essay writing, I think.  I find it easier, but that's because I try to write articles the same way I write email.
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> just imagine if you were unfortunate enough to communicate with me via email.  :)
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> even so, my oldest articles on the site look about like that.  :)  A little thin, but the message is there.
21:05 <GodTodd> that's kind of what i was shooting for....figured it should be more conversational
21:05 <GodTodd> yeah
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> you can always go back and edit it later if you feel bad about it.  I normally don't, I usually just write a new article that incorporates the old one and references it.
21:06 <GodTodd> i think that's the best way
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> but there's nothing that says once an article is published it's set in stone.  I think that would be unreasonable.  But if you do go back and edit it or any other article, make sure to bump it back to the front page somehow.
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if it's a serious edit.  If it's just minor corrections, no need to bother.
21:08 <GodTodd> definitely
21:09 <spidey> hey wrtlprnft
21:09 <GodTodd> how long do they stay in preview on the front? is it a time thing or more of a "move it to make room for new stuff" thing?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> hey spidey 
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> also, don't be shy about asking for an editor if you're concerned about it.  I've never had an editor myself, personally, so I might be shy about it just out of habit, but we'll see.
21:09 <spidey> wanna see if a ati radeon 9800 se can handle that map?
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's a set limit on how many are on the front, and old ones get moved in favor of new ones.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, give me a screenshot :P
21:09 <GodTodd> k
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> But there's a pager at the bottom, so you can always see everything that ever was on the front page.
21:09 <spidey> i got a friend with one
21:10 <spidey> sec
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, fat should be trimmed off the front.  I prefer to do that by deleting the node, or disabling front page by default on that node type.
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> like quotes.  If you go to add a quote (which you should do just to get a feel for it), you'll notice they don't default to showing on the front page.  :)
21:11 <GodTodd> :)
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> when I used the audio module, it also didn't default to showing on the front page, but I'm not using that anymore.  It's not good enough.
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> but you get the idea.  If it's a real article type, it should be on the front.  If it's a node type that's not a real article, it doesn't, but it should be linked from an article or else why is it there to begin with?
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> if you see some older articles that have "show on front page" unchecked, you should check that box while you're there.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> When I first set up the site, I had to manually import everything from a backup .sql file, which was a pain, but it resulted in all the old content being marked as brand new
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> So to deal with it, I marked most of it as "don't show on front page" until I got past that time.  Well, we're past that time, but I don't know for sure that I went back and fixed it.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> but I generally want every article written to be accessible through the pager at the bottom of the front page.
21:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: do you have a friend with a quad- SLI renderer?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> that might actually eat it
21:14 <GodTodd> sounds reasonable
21:19 <GodTodd> Most legislators are so dumb that they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
21:19 <GodTodd> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, looks like bison 2.2 fixed it. Can you add a check to configure and take care that make clean deletes src/tValueParser.cpp?
21:22 <spidey> wrtlprnft http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/209b7a0959.jpg
21:22 <spidey> that's what the ati radeon 9800 se has to say about your map
21:23 <spidey> meaning
21:23 <spidey> you're gonna have to wait more than a few years
21:23 <spidey> heh
21:24 <wrtlprnft> no quad- SLI?
21:24 <spidey> dunno
21:24 <wrtlprnft> ie 4 graphic cards in one machine
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or 4 GPUs
21:25 <spidey> oh
21:25 <spidey> no just the radeon
21:25 <spidey> maybe a dual core can handle it
21:25 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:25 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/03/gamepro-tv-episode-1-1991/
21:25 <wrtlprnft> arma doesn't make any use of threads
21:25 <wrtlprnft> except for sound
21:25 <DrJoeTron> hope you like nostalgia :D
21:26 <spidey> hm
21:26 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should just stop rendering a single wall as many polygons
21:31 <nemostultae> z-man has mentioned he wants to rewrite the engine to be more efficient.
21:33 <wrtlprnft> hope it'll be soon and 0.3.1- only :)
21:34 <wrtlprnft> then people will actually switch to it because it's more efficient
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22:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just told my son that if he ever finds pirate treasure, he needs to figure out who the pirates stole it from and give it back to them
22:09 <Compn> why isnt it rendered just as a line
22:09 <Compn> ?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> walls?
22:09 <Compn> nm
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22:30 <DrJoeTron> TiS just asked to stay at my house for the weekend for lalapalooza
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9927.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> I want a Drupal node type that's just a redirect
22:49 -!- Self_Destructo [n=sd@h238.169.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
22:49 <Self_Destructo> hey guys...
22:49 <DrJoeTron> hullo thar
22:49 <Self_Destructo> is there a way to limit the number of spectators allowed?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> not that I know of
22:51 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: would you considering it abuse if I modified the upload script so I (and all devs with an account) can upload resources under any author? Xevi wants me to upload the cockpits in http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/xevi/ and doesn't want to get an account for it. Alternatively add them yourself :)
22:53 <wrtlprnft> *would you consider
22:56 <Self_Destructo> well, I'm kinda needing that feature
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22:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spectat
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ALLOW_VOTING_SPECTATOR: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for spectators. (default: 0) || NETWORK_SPECTATOR_TIME: If set to something bigger than zero, this is the maximal time in seconds a client without players is tolerated. (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_1: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_2: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) (1 more message)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: || SPECTATOR_MODE_3: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_4: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> you can autokick inactive spectators
22:58 <Self_Destructo> i see that... but what does it mean by inactive?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> and what would you do if the spectator limit was all used up and an active player decided to go into spectator mode?
22:58 <spidey> you can set someone into spectator?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> kick the oldest spectator? kick the player who wanted to go into spec mode? just refuse?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: not chatting
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig autokick
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAM_AUTOKICK: Spam score that causes you to get kicked instantly. (default: 20)
22:59 <spidey> sd!
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig inactive
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig idle
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DEDICATED_IDLE: After running this time (in hours), the dedicated server takes the next chance to quit. (default: 24) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is kicked (default: 0) || IDLE_REMOVE_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is removed from the game (default: 0)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> there we go, IDLE_KICK_TIME
23:00  * spidey pokes Self_Destructo
23:03 <Self_Destructo> hi spidey...
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'm out... cya sometime....
23:03 <spidey> :D
23:03 <spidey> :/
23:03 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'll be back for good ina month...
23:03 <spidey> cya
23:03 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I just bought me a house today
23:03 <spidey> woot!
23:03 <Self_Destructo> cya
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23:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin'?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:16 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:22 <GodTodd> for a few, yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> check out the control panel :)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> you just hit "admin" in the top menu now
23:24 <GodTodd> cool :)
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have the whole admin interface available there, I think
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> and get rid of the stupid menu that's a pain to deal with anyway
23:26 <GodTodd> yeah...that'd be good
23:26 <linuxlizzard> where is this, because it sounds interesting
23:26 <linuxlizzard> X)
23:27 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179118.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't help but notice that the guy that made the module used a bunch of kde icons to begin with, I'm actually pulling from the same icon set :)
23:31 <GodTodd> yeah..i was gonna say they look like the old KDE desktop i used to run :)
23:34 <GodTodd> ummm...is there no 'home' link from the admin menu?
23:35 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188202.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> home link?  You mean like a link to the control panel itself?
23:39 <GodTodd> nah...to get back to the home page
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh, top left.  It's kinda dark, though.
23:41 <GodTodd> oh, duh....click on the picture, george :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not liking what I'm looking at for the ui editor.  :(
23:51 <GodTodd> hmmm...do we need to raise up that upper menu?  the dropdowns seem to fight with whatever the newest preview is....or is that just on mine?
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> fight how?  is it disrupting the teaser, or just laying over it with stupidly transparent background?
23:53 <GodTodd> laying over it with stupidly transparent background
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> ah, we just need a background color for it :)
23:54 <GodTodd> that'd probably work
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the control panel module doesn't ship with an icon for itself
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the guy using KDE icons couldn't find a control panel icon for itself
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5960 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Network code optimizations:
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - sn_Receive() no longer automatically calls the (moderately expensive) sn_SendPlanned()
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  sending function, the caller has to take care of that when ready. The usual procedure would be
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  sn_Receive(); nNetObject::SyncAll(); sn_SendPlanned();
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad:  Adaptions to this all over the place are already done.
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - the game code calls the network code less often per frame, two calls were entirely wasted.
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there anyone in here running gentoo and interested in an ebuild for 0.3.0?
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> grab it here: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild.tbz2

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