Log from 2006-08-04:
--- Day changed Fri Aug 04 2006
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who ever tried getting it
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try again
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had to delete it cause there was something wrong with it
00:08 <linuxlizzard> heh thx :)
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so you're running gentoo?
00:08 <linuxlizzard> although I don't have gentoo anymores, I can't get .3.0 to compile
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
00:08 <linuxlizzard> so maybe you ebuild will help ;_
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not really
00:08 <linuxlizzard> hehe
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you can get binaries on beta.armagetronad.net
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ;)
00:09 <linuxlizzard> ya... I suppose
00:09 -!- GodTodd is now known as GodToddGym
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hehe
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what time is it down under?
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00:10 <linuxlizzard> hello again
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi joe
00:11 <DrJoeTron> yo
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: what time is it where you live?
00:12 <linuxlizzard> hmms...
00:13 <linuxlizzard> 6:10
00:13 <DrJoeTron> i thought you were an hour behind me
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: pm?
00:13 <linuxlizzard> ya
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just passed midnight
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <linuxlizzard> well do you do dst joe
00:15 <DrJoeTron> buh?
00:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know some nice tool to set x background?
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> forget it
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> found one
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01:45 <DrJoeTron> jeesus
01:45 <DrJoeTron> hey luke
01:46 <DrJoeTron> question for you
01:46 <DrJoeTron> can you turn your servers back on?
01:46 <linuxlizzard> oh noes its joe again
01:46 <DrJoeTron> say when someone shuts it off
01:46 <spidey> ya
01:46 <spidey> in the admin panel
01:46 <spidey> "Control services"
01:46 <DrJoeTron> so he can turn them on
01:46 <DrJoeTron> ok
01:46 <linuxlizzard> where is this admin panel anyways
01:47 <DrJoeTron> i dont have one
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> lukes systems do
01:47 <linuxlizzard> aha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> and this is against my nature
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> you think you could do a favor for the LOL clan?
01:47 <linuxlizzard> oh noes
01:47 <spidey> hahaha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> tit quit, and fucked them over royaly
01:48 <spidey> you know
01:48 <linuxlizzard> well thats understandable
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit
01:48 <DrJoeTron> not only did he really didnt pay, but his clan did
01:48 <DrJoeTron> and he shut the server down
01:48 <spidey> Luke-Jr = root admin, he could restart it :p
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit anyways
01:48 <spidey> i think he got kicked out
01:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:49 <DrJoeTron> well i didnt ask
01:49 <DrJoeTron> dont really care
01:49 <spidey> cause wildcat and durka was asking me alot of questions when i complained to them
01:49 <DrJoeTron> but i felt like saying something since money is involved
01:49 <spidey> Luke-Jr ping
01:51 <spidey> yay
01:51 <spidey> the server i run from the webserver is back up
01:56 <DrJoeTron> yay
01:56 <DrJoeTron> the server i run from the shitty shit box is back up
01:56 <spidey> lol
01:56 <DrJoeTron> ooooh looks like the tub is back up too
01:57 <DrJoeTron> glad gomes got my text message
01:57 <spidey> hehe
01:57 <spidey> how many servers you got?
01:57 <DrJoeTron> me personaly
01:57 <DrJoeTron> or as a lobster collective
01:57 <spidey> lobsters
01:57 <DrJoeTron> 3
01:57 <spidey> cool
01:57 <spidey> i'll have 4 by december :
01:57 <spidey> :p
01:57 <DrJoeTron> Cage, Tub, Pot.
01:57 <DrJoeTron> I, Gomes, Lizzard
01:58 <spidey> i got fortress, dogfight , and sumo whenever it's up
01:58 <spidey> :/
01:58 <DrJoeTron> all of mine are "whenever it's up"
01:59 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
01:59 <DrJoeTron> its also ,
01:59 <DrJoeTron> Tron, Sumo, Team Tron,
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02:04 <ghableska> hello
02:12 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
02:13 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
02:13 <ghableska> is US fortress back up?
02:13 <spidey> hahaha
02:13 <spidey> yes it is
02:13 <spidey> and
02:13 <ghableska> O_o
02:13 <spidey> my day just went from shit
02:13 <spidey> to awesome
02:14 <ghableska> how?
02:14 <spidey> remember those guys that kept letting one of my dogs off the leesh?
02:14 <spidey> well he'd let the nice one off then leave
02:14 <spidey> so
02:14 <spidey> i forgot that my other one(not so nice)
02:14 <spidey> had a broken leesh
02:14 <spidey> and i had "tied" it together
02:14 <ghableska> I can see what's coming... XD
02:14 <spidey> he broke it and chased him haha
02:14 <ghableska> lmao
02:14 <spidey> bad part i had to chase the doh
02:14 <spidey> dog
02:14 <spidey> :/
02:15 <ghableska> did you catch him in the end?
02:15 <spidey> yes i got the dog
02:15 <spidey> he was walking yp up the middle of the road
02:15 <spidey> >.<
02:15 <ghableska> lol
02:15 -!- GodToddGym is now known as GodTodd
02:16 <Vanhayes> spidey: did you find the guy who let the dog off?
02:16 <spidey> no
02:16 <spidey> but i got him on webcam
02:16 <spidey> ;x
02:16 <Vanhayes> lol, seems kind of weird to just let someones dog off its chain
02:16 <spidey> not really
02:16 <spidey> they bark alot
02:16 <ghableska> especially when it might run after you...
02:17 <ghableska> happy barks?
02:17 <spidey> ya
02:17 <Vanhayes> big dogs?
02:17 <spidey> blacklabs
02:17 <spidey> about 7-8 months old
02:17 <spidey> they're pretty big
02:25 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you a no clanner now?
02:25 <spidey> not yet >.<
02:25 <spidey> probably will be soon,why?
02:25 * Vanhayes thought he remembered spidey saying he quit MBC
02:25 * ghableska did too
02:26 <spidey> i did but micro and lizz bugged me to much
02:26 <spidey> :/
02:26 <Vanhayes> heh
02:26 <Vanhayes> #seen lizz
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: lizz was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Lizz> l
02:26 <ghableska> I?
02:26 <ghableska> :P
02:26 <spidey> 1
02:26 <spidey> |
02:26 <ghableska> ?
02:27 <spidey> l
02:27 <spidey> owned
02:27 <Vanhayes> !
02:27 <spidey> i'ma watch a movie
02:27 <spidey> what should i watch?
02:27 <Vanhayes> the godfather
02:27 <spidey> bah
02:27 <GodTodd> sound of music
02:27 <ghableska> the matrix?
02:27 <GodTodd> ;)
02:27 <ghableska> :P
02:28 <Vanhayes> heh
02:28 <spidey> you and my other grandma would make a perfect couple Vanhayes :p
02:28 <spidey> ghableska got it
02:28 <ghableska> haha
02:28 <ghableska> :D
02:28 <Vanhayes> how old is she?
02:28 <spidey> 50 something
02:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:28 <Vanhayes> jk btw
02:28 <spidey> lmao
02:28 <Vanhayes> why, does she like the godfather?
02:29 <spidey> she has a thing for "the godfather" and "pride and predudice"
02:29 <spidey> or how ever it's spelled
02:29 <spidey> #check predudice
02:29 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "predudice": prejudice, prejudiced, prejudices, produce, Prentice, produced, predicts, producer, reduce, Prudence, preludes, produces, prudence, predates, predict, presides, prejudice's, prelude, and prepuce.
02:29 <spidey> hmm
02:29 <spidey> prejudice
02:29 <spidey> there
02:29 <Vanhayes> never seen it
02:30 <Vanhayes> Love the godfather trilogy though
02:30 <spidey> #beat Vanhayes
02:30 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:30 <ghableska> O_o
02:30 <Vanhayes> #list google
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:30 <spidey> now name a movie that was made after 1005
02:30 <spidey> plzkthnx
02:30 <Vanhayes> #clash
02:30 <spidey> 1995
02:30 <Vanhayes> lol 1005
02:31 <spidey> yes they made movie back then!
02:31 <Vanhayes> why name a movie before 1995?
02:31 <spidey> after!!
02:32 <spidey> because most movies before the effects suck
02:32 <Vanhayes> effects are a crutch for weak stories imho
02:32 <spidey> oh well
02:32 <ghableska> yeah
02:32 <spidey> effects make a movie
02:32 <ghableska> when was gattaca made?
02:32 <spidey> i don't wanna see something dull and boring
02:33 <ghableska> oh 1997...
02:33 <ghableska> nvm
02:33 <Vanhayes> gattaca is an awesome movie
02:33 <ghableska> yeah
02:33 <spidey> hitch hickers guide to the galaxy
02:33 <Vanhayes> one of my favs, and has barely any special effects
02:33 <spidey> i'ma download that
02:33 <spidey> Vanhayes i like movies where people fly through the air and kick shit
02:33 <ghableska> oh yeah
02:33 <spidey> and pretend the kicked shit was Vanhayes
02:33 <spidey> :D
02:34 <Vanhayes> spidey: you should get bruse lee movies then
02:34 <Vanhayes> bruce*
02:34 <Vanhayes> no special effects either :)
02:34 <spidey> i also like movies where humans that have died but are no longer dead but eat on alive humans till those humans are no longer alive
02:34 <ghableska> uh
02:34 <spidey> haha
02:35 <Vanhayes> ie zombie movies
02:35 <ghableska> riight
02:35 <spidey> i also like to pretend the humans being eaten are Vanhayes
02:35 <ghableska> :P
02:35 <Vanhayes> who said I was a human being?
02:35 <spidey> i knew it
02:35 <spidey> you're a alien
02:35 * Vanhayes is a chemical test monkey
02:35 <spidey> ohhh
02:36 <spidey> so you got big boobs to!?
02:36 <Vanhayes> ... why do you think monkeys have big boobs?
02:36 <ghableska> O_o
02:36 <spidey> well baboons have big red ass's
02:36 <Vanhayes> o ya reminds me, watch planet of the apes
02:36 <spidey> even though that sounded wrong :D
02:36 <spidey> i don't wanna watch it
02:37 <spidey> i've seen it to much already
02:38 * ghableska sneezes
02:38 * Vanhayes says gazuntieht
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gazuntieht
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gazuntieht": gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, jauntiest, gaunter, Gaziantep, gauziest, skintight, jauntier, Gauntley, gaunting, gantlet, and jaunted.
02:39 <ghableska> :P
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gahuntight
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gahuntight": gunfight, gaunting, skintight, gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, haunting, untaught, goodnight, hunting, jauntiest, hindsight, gaunt, gunfought, and gaunter.
02:39 <Vanhayes> bah
02:39 <ghableska> #check gesuindeit
02:39 <armabot> ghableska: Possible spellings for "gesuindeit": gesundheit, rescinded, resounded, grounded, quintet, rescinder, resident, grinder, sounded, gender, soundest, sunder, sunset, fecundity, seconded, Genet, grandest, grounder, snidest, resined, descended, asunder, squinted, gaunted, and sequined.
02:39 <Vanhayes> lol
02:39 <ghableska> yes :D
02:39 <Vanhayes> #dict gesundheit
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "gesundheit" could be found.
02:40 <ghableska> :P
02:40 <Vanhayes> #google fight gesundheit gazuntieht
02:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: gesundheit: 158000000, gazuntieht: 0
02:40 <Vanhayes> lol
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 1
02:40 <spidey> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2936/movies1ku9.jpg
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 2
02:40 <spidey> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/372/movies2zp7.jpg
02:41 <spidey> those are all the movies i go
02:41 <spidey> got
02:42 <Vanhayes> i only have one right now, X-men 3, and I only have that one cause I need more DVDs
02:43 <spidey> lol
02:43 <spidey> i have 4 dvd's
02:43 <spidey> but that won't hold all these
02:43 <spidey> i'll need atleast 11
02:43 * Vanhayes doesnt keep movies on his comp, just burns them right away
02:44 <spidey> good for you :p
02:44 <spidey> i have the hdd space to hold over 300
02:44 <spidey> well
02:44 <spidey> something like that
02:44 <spidey> these 80 plus all that other stuff on it
02:44 <spidey> only uses
02:44 <spidey> HD: [C:] 48.15/111.75 GB [F:] 8.09/12.72 GB
02:45 <spidey> if i cleared out all the other stuff besides movies i'd have about 60gigs free
02:45 <spidey> or so
02:47 * Vanhayes notices that spidey shares only 2 of all those movies
02:48 <spidey> hmm
02:48 <spidey> which ones?
02:48 <spidey> oh
02:49 <spidey> and yes only 2
02:49 <Vanhayes> resident evils
02:49 <spidey> i switch them up
02:49 <spidey> all the shit i've got in that folder it'd lag me way to bad to share them all
02:49 <spidey> plus my connection gets shitty if i share for to long
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03:48 <GodTodd> "What did the hurricane say to the coconut tree?
03:48 <GodTodd> Hold on to your nuts, this is no ordinary blow job!"
03:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you should be able to work around the problem by using // instead of / like in the error
03:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: so get an account on the official one
03:51 <Luke-Jr> (repository)
03:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm sure the map stuff could be optimized to handle more walls better
03:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I use BISON 2.1 fine, so I'm guessing 2.2 works around a GCC bug
03:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no way an engine rewrite could be merged into a stable ver =p
03:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Why won't Xevi get an account? Either way, I still accept email submissions if he wants to do it manually
03:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: Some LOL ppl asked me last night what happens if TNA doesn't pay, and I told them I'm more than willing to transfer ownership if someone else does pay
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> why did the new polish navy build glass-bottomed boats?
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> So they can see the old polish navy!
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, my 2 year old has gotten a lot better at pulling the keys off my laptop
04:33 <GodTodd> oh boy...i miss those days :/
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> what? you miss the days when my 2 year old pulled the keys off my laptop?
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> those days end saturday: he'll be 3
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> seriously though, he's gotten so good at it that he carefully organized the keys he pulled off, kept all the parts together, and didn't snap any of the little pegs
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04:53 <GodTodd> that's a bonus :)
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> did you hear about ford's latest big recall? ;)
04:53 <GodTodd> yep
04:54 <GodTodd> couldn't happen to a nicer company ;)
04:54 <Luke-Jr> ford sucks
04:54 <GodTodd> hoover sucks
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm <--- this is awesome!
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's really too bad there's no astronomy in my degree plan :(
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> hey, did you look at my degree plan?
04:58 <GodTodd> a bit, yeah
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you read the names of the classes? ;)
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04:59 <GodTodd> i'm sure i did at some point
04:59 <GodTodd> heh
04:59 <spidey> wb mkzelda
05:00 <mkzelda> thx, when did i leave?
05:00 <mkzelda> psybnc gets frozen
05:01 <spidey> [21:44] (-psyBNC) Fri Aug 4 02:44:42 :User mkzelda quitted
05:01 <spidey> it doesn't give me problems :p
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> and did you think "Holy shit, that looks like fun! Mommy mommy can I do that?"
05:04 <GodTodd> not that i recall
05:04 <mkzelda> spidey, it happens every month or so for me
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:04 <spidey> every month or so?
05:04 <mkzelda> i dont know its gotten hung until i realize that i've been chatting w/ myself for a while
05:04 <spidey> it hasn't been installed a month :p
05:05 <mkzelda> *my* psybnc
05:05 <spidey> ah
05:05 <mkzelda> its infrequent enuf i dont bother to fix it
05:05 <mkzelda> i just restart the PID
05:05 <mkzelda> rehup and its fine
05:05 <mkzelda> but if i connect
05:05 <mkzelda> er, when its stalled..
05:05 <spidey> lol
05:06 <mkzelda> i connect to my psybnc and it says connected...
05:06 <mkzelda> and then hangs b4 it grabs channel lists etc
05:08 <Compn> did you /quote pass?
05:08 <spidey> LOL
05:08 <mkzelda> ya thats not the prob
05:08 <mkzelda> its after you do that
05:09 <mkzelda> if i didnt have a buffer full of /names then i'd paste the err
05:09 <mkzelda> er, lack of error
05:09 <Compn> try a newer version of psybnc
05:10 <Compn> maybe just need a change ;p
05:11 <mkzelda> im using newest
05:11 <mkzelda> newer than spidey's
05:11 <spidey> :/
05:11 <spidey> wtf man
05:11 <spidey> my memory usage is at 92%
05:11 <spidey> and i'm not even doing anything!
05:11 <mkzelda> windows?
05:12 <spidey> ya
05:12 <mkzelda> nuff said
05:12 <spidey> not really
05:12 <spidey> 94% >.<
05:12 <mkzelda> whats using it?
05:12 <mkzelda> svchost?
05:12 <spidey> appearently
05:12 <spidey> ares
05:12 <spidey> msn
05:12 <spidey> firefox
05:12 <Compn> ares?
05:13 <spidey> and yahoo
05:13 <Compn> that p2p ?
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13 * Compn forgets what network ares is
05:13 <Compn> is ares its own network?
05:13 <Compn> is it good?
05:13 <Compn> one of the few p2p i havent tried
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13 <Compn> you guys like psybnc , you might enjoy bitlbee :)
05:13 <spidey> i've downloaded gigs and gigs of shit :p
05:14 <Compn> it does yahoo/msn/aim/jabber using an irc interface
05:15 <mkzelda> i do that w/ gaim
05:15 <mkzelda> but, not irc interface
05:16 <mkzelda> cant see the advantage to it
05:16 <mkzelda> everyone keeps telling me to check it out
05:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: possibly with the exception of spacecraft dynamics
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/report_panel <--- this is the direction I'm going with the admin interface now :)
05:34 <GodTodd> i like the smaller icons, i think
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> everyone likes smaller icons
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> except me, that is :)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> what's your resolution?
05:40 <GodTodd> 1024x768
05:40 <spidey> ew
05:40 <GodTodd> :P
05:41 <spidey> i can't live with anything under 1280x1024 anymore
05:41 <GodTodd> i think you should go to 640x480 ;)
05:41 <spidey> bah!
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05:42 * spidey slaps GodTodd
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> mmm
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm at 1280x800
05:42 <GodTodd> hell...i remember when screens were monochrome and resolution was something you got, not set
05:42 <spidey> O.o
05:42 * GodTodd gets out his cane.
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/control_panel <--- here you go, this is coming along, sort of
05:57 <GodTodd> i like the 'who's online' tracking stuff
05:57 <GodTodd> i'm nosy that way :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> me too :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to see if the checklist module has a block, and if so I'm going to install it and put it in there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully we can add stuff to each other's checklists, that'll be neat
05:58 <GodTodd> checklists for what?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, first let me put the user management stuff on there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> stuff like, say I write something and I really need you to edit it for some reason, I can give you an item on a checklist that would remind you to edit it sometime
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> vice versa
05:58 <GodTodd> ahhh that'd rock :)
06:09 <GodTodd> question on stealing your degree plan spreadsheet: which credits are considered 'in-college' and which are 'in-degree'?
06:10 <GodTodd> i know...stupid questiong but, yeah...
06:10 <GodTodd> question*
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> scroll to the right to see how that's figured
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> no way to automate that, you'll need to put it in by hand
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, that doesn't answer the question, heh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> in-college is supposed to be only stuff offered by the college of engineering, but it's not
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> instead it includes all credits that aren't shit like history, government, comp 1, etc
06:17 <GodTodd> ahhh ok
06:18 <GodTodd> and i assume in-degree is the shit like prereqs to get to the shit on the official degree plan but isn't listed on it
06:18 <GodTodd> errr the opposite of what i just said
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> umm, in-degree includes calc 1, but not trigonometry
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> how's that sound to you?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, turns out the spell checker that's available is for 4.6, and we're running 4.7
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so, I think I've got a checklist block there, but haven't tested and I really want to get to other things
06:23 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz the first math class on the 'official' plan is calc1 for me...but i have to get trig first...so it's only 'in my degree' because i need it for calc1
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> right, so I didn't count it as in-degree
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> um, ok. The other way to look at it is this:
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> in-degree means "what's on the degree plan"
06:24 <GodTodd> that's what i figured :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> in-college means "what will make my application to the CoE matter the most"
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the CoE doesn't give a rat's ass if I got an A or a C in history, but they *do* care if I got an A or C in calc 1
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the in-college gpa is pretty important for that
06:24 <GodTodd> ok
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> after I'm at UT, or maybe if I start caring before then, I'll worry about how the UT credits fall into place as in-degree or in-college
06:25 <GodTodd> so like trig would be 'in-college' but not 'in-degree'
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, in-degree being the degree plan, that's how I'm supposed to know when I'll graduate, sorta, and "all" is all of my classes, so I can show my cumulative gpa
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, trig's not even in-college, it's only in 'all'
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> at least, it's supposed to be. :)
06:26 <GodTodd> well...i guess that makes sense...since CoE shouldn't really care below calc1
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, it should fatten my application some of the stuff I've done with math, like starting in developmental math, skipping, taking trig, skipping again, and then getting a's in calculus
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> say all other things are equal and they have to pick between me and some young punk
06:27 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the college I want to go to will respect what that means about me and pick me over the punk. :)
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> wow, there's 8 guests on the website right now
06:28 <GodTodd> i saw that
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08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5961 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed missing network syncing in menu rendering idle function.
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed some quirks the network optimization revealed.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I tried to get him to contact you, but it looks like he doesn't want to. But I'd like to add it to the wiki, and the only way to allow making selecting the cockpit possible with just one command is to add it to your repository
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:07 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: (1) Never draw what you can copy. || (2) Never copy what you can trace. || (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down.
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10:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5962 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gGame.cpp): Fixed explosion buds left from last round, cycles weren't deleted on the server in time.
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11:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
11:08 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #220: || Someone thought The Big Red Button was a light switch.
11:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
11:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: An Irishman is never at peace except when he's fighting.
11:10 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: there's two fortune commands, #f and #fortune
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #f
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
11:10 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? || A: The impossible dream.
11:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer.
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /exec -o fortune :P
11:11 <wrtlprnft> I like #f more, it gives more funny fortunes
11:12 <wrtlprnft> Who to himself is law no law doth need,
11:12 <wrtlprnft> offends no law, and is a king indeed.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> -- George Chapman
11:12 <wrtlprnft> x_x
11:12 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o cat /boot/vmlinuz
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok...
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> head: cannot open `/boot/vmlinuz' for reading: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ELF
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@-
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@
11:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ?
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i aint got a compressed kernel :P
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <wrtlprnft> 11:13 [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-40-251.dclient.hispeed.ch] requested unknown CTCP from #armagetron:
11:14 <wrtlprnft> try cat /dev/urandom
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah
11:15 <wrtlprnft> /exec grep -ri fuck /usr/src/linux | head -n 5
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 11:10:09 up 2 days, 12:19, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is something wrong with irssi
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11:15 <wrtlprnft> 11:15:49 up 12 days, 20:58, 6 users, load average: 0.86, 0.50, 0.45
11:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that works
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/jffs/intrep.c: don't fuck up. This is why we have
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/binfmt_aout.c: /* Fuck me plenty... */
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c: * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_snmp_basic.c: * (And this is the fucking 'basic' method).
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/xfrm/xfrm_algo.c: /* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> saying that i made it to crash irssi -.-
11:17 <wrtlprnft> grep: write error: Broken pipe
11:17 <wrtlprnft> wtf lol
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Fri Aug 4 11:12:29 CEST 2006
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 11:12:34 up 2 days, 12:21, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
11:17 <wrtlprnft> it just took forever to run
11:18 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even know about /exec
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's cool
11:18 <wrtlprnft> /exec lynx -dump http://armagetronad.net | head 5
11:19 <wrtlprnft> ArmagetronAdvanced
11:19 <wrtlprnft> * navigation
11:19 <wrtlprnft> * [1]News
11:19 <wrtlprnft> + [2]News Archive
11:19 <wrtlprnft> can't dump the whole page in here :(
11:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
11:22 <wrtlprnft> #echo test
11:22 <armabot> test
11:22 <wrtlprnft> oh, so I am still here
11:22 <wrtlprnft> strange
11:23 <wrtlprnft> I didn't get spamkicked, but I just dumped all of http://armagetronad.net/ into #testwrtl
11:23 <wrtlprnft> Linux laptop 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Fri Jul 14 18:40:58 CEST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz GNU/Linux
11:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
11:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is my server and router
11:30 * wrtlprnft should give his machines better names
11:30 <wrtlprnft> I was thinking about calling them marvin and ford and tricia etc
11:31 <wrtlprnft> but I would soon have to give them names I don't want to have to type all the time
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have earth, neptune, jupiter and asteroid
11:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/phpsysinfo/
11:34 <wrtlprnft> 11:35:26 up 15 days, 13:33, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the uptime of my server
11:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my best uptime ever
11:35 <wrtlprnft> used to be over 100
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was my old p4 server
11:35 <wrtlprnft> then there were those two kernel holes
11:35 <wrtlprnft> "old p4"?
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it was old
11:35 <wrtlprnft> my server is a 400MHZ thingy
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it had a p4
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> faster than mine
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 333
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sparc64
11:36 <wrtlprnft> never had a non- x86 machine
11:36 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler 2.6.17.6 #1 Tue Jul 18 18:58:40 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cpu : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fpu : UltraSparc IIi integrated FPU
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> prom : OBP 3.31.0 2001/07/25 20:36
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> type : sun4u
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus probed : 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus active : 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> D$ parity tl1 : 0
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> I$ parity tl1 : 0
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0Bogo : 666.33
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0ClkTck : 0000000013d92d40
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> MMU Type : Spitfire
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got 2 of these babies ^^
11:37 <wrtlprnft> processor : 0
11:37 <wrtlprnft> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu family : 6
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model : 5
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
11:37 <wrtlprnft> stepping : 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu MHz : 398.851
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cache size : 512 KB
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fdiv_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> hlt_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> f00f_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> coma_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu_exception : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpuid level : 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> wp : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up
11:37 <wrtlprnft> bogomips : 798.42
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pso@earth ~ $ armagetronad
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Warning in void FindConfigurationPath() in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1509 : Could not determine path to configuration files. Using defaults or command line arguments.
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:569 : Configuration files not found. Check your installation.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> umm
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_FORBID_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE_SERVER_CUSTOM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command WIN_ZONE_DEATHS unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_MIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_RATIO unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_SURVIVE_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in tron/gArmagetron.cpp:645 :
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device
11:39 <wrtlprnft> omg sorry
11:40 <wrtlprnft> i forgot that it prints so many errors on startup
11:40 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o is dangerous :S
11:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no clue where it installed the data files 0o
11:44 <wrtlprnft> well, irssi is running in a screen session here that's started before X
11:44 <wrtlprnft> so DISPLAY is not set and therefore arma fails
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm running irssi on my server
11:45 <guru3> i'm suprised you didn't get flooded out wrtlprnft
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i do not have X on the server
11:46 <wrtlprnft> guru3: me too
11:47 <wrtlprnft> did that all appear at once or did irssi put a delay between the lines?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> it appeared all at once for me
11:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> delayed
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that explains it
11:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no damn clue what is going on with armagetron :(
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11:51 <wrtlprnft> won't start even if you run it on the command line?
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i emerged it using an edited ebuild
11:52 <madmax|pt> hello
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi madmax|pt
11:52 <wrtlprnft> edited?
11:52 <wrtlprnft> what about using Luke-Jr's ebuild?
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i want 0.3.0
11:53 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i edited luke's ebuild
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to do 0.3.0 instead
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> had to add some gldeps for it to work
11:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno, I don't use portage for that. I just compile it with --prefix=/home/mathias/armagetronad
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
11:54 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't use releases either, just SVN sources
11:54 <wrtlprnft> usually the trunk
11:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> unmerged it now...
11:55 <wrtlprnft> I never tried to write an ebuild, so ask Luke-Jr
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah... gonna do a manual install...
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> screw portage this time
11:56 <wrtlprnft> as i said, just put it into some dir and install as normal user
11:56 <wrtlprnft> then you can just remove that dir to get rid of arma
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> don't ever want to get rid of it ;)
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> on the other hand side...
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could screw up my system with a sysinstall...
11:57 <wrtlprnft> exactly
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that
11:58 <wrtlprnft> 's why I'm not doing it
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try svn...
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but 1st...
11:59 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want the trunk
12:00 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want 0.3.0
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0.3.0 i can get in a shiny tbz2
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
12:01 <wrtlprnft> then get the trunk, it has ph's new zone stuff. But don't get it if you wanna make a fortress server
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> emerging subversion -.-
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna make a client is all
12:01 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> running the 0.3.0 release on my server
12:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only releases for servers...
12:02 <wrtlprnft> the trunk has some nice new goodies you won't get with 0.3.0... new lagometer, sticky history, reverse search in history (CTRL-R) and some new cockpit data sources
12:03 <wrtlprnft> but you won't be able to play fortress in a local game
12:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell is there a local game mode at all...
12:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, and *big change* the strongest bot is now called ArmagetronAd instead of Armagetron
12:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna watch some futurama...
12:05 <guru3> hf
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5963 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg: Changed title track to something a bit more thought out
12:07 <wrtlprnft> is that a completely different one?
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, totally different
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> you miht like this one :)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> shorter than the old one
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> the old one was too long
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually borrowed from the movie, heh
12:09 <wrtlprnft> can we keep the old one as normal ingame track?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it as ingame track, I should re-record it and make it a tad longer, actually
12:09 <wrtlprnft> true
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the theme in this title track and the bass line I played awhile back are going to be the core of the soundtrack, I think
12:10 <wrtlprnft> so we aren't just getting a finished sound engine but also a finished sound track?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sound engine is being written because I want to make a sound track :)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:12 <wrtlprnft> be back later.
12:13 <wrtlprnft> or not
12:13 <wrtlprnft> misread the time by an hour
12:13 <wrtlprnft> so I'm still here.
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12:23 <madmax|pt> the brake is supposed to show "-0.0" ?
12:23 <madmax|pt> in trunk
12:28 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:29 <wrtlprnft> it does?
12:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't for me
12:30 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:30 <madmax|pt> if i keep pressing brake it shows a constant -0.0
12:31 <madmax|pt> maybe in a later revision thats fixed? i see it in 5841
12:32 <wrtlprnft> don't think anyone fixed anything there
12:32 <madmax|pt> :/
12:32 <madmax|pt> try keeping brake pressed
12:32 <wrtlprnft> how long?
12:32 <madmax|pt> until zero...
12:33 <wrtlprnft> i did
12:33 <wrtlprnft> just shows 0.0
12:33 <madmax|pt> hm
12:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe the brake value is really something like -1e-20
12:33 <wrtlprnft> and the stl function we use shows -0.0 because of that
12:34 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:34 <madmax|pt> by brake value you mean cycle_brake?
12:35 <wrtlprnft> no
12:35 <wrtlprnft> the remaining brakes
12:35 <wrtlprnft> stored inside the cycle
12:36 <madmax|pt> ok soooo, how do i see that value?
12:36 <wrtlprnft> umm
12:36 <wrtlprnft> edit the cockpit file to show a higher precision?
12:37 <madmax|pt> heh, im not bothered with that, but it could be something you guys haven't noticed
12:37 * wrtlprnft didn't notice it because it isn't there
12:37 <madmax|pt> ...on yours
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:38 <wrtlprnft> what aarchitecture?
12:38 <madmax|pt> processor?
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:38 <madmax|pt> ppc
12:39 <wrtlprnft> that might be a reason in theory
12:39 <wrtlprnft> i use x86
12:40 <madmax|pt> hm
12:42 * wrtlprnft can't fix what he can't reproduce, that's the problem
12:42 <wrtlprnft> try updating your arma anyways
12:43 <madmax|pt> can the "remaining brakes... stored inside the cycle" be modified to another value?
12:43 <madmax|pt> screen btw http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2pg0.png
12:44 <wrtlprnft> i'd rather add some small number when converting to a string
12:46 <wrtlprnft> hmm, what you can try in the newest revsion:
12:46 <madmax|pt> i was doing that but.... the Xcode project file seems... corrupted
12:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, ask nemo
12:47 <madmax|pt> yep
12:47 <wrtlprnft> be aware you need a newer version of BISON
12:47 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:47 <madmax|pt> what's that?
12:47 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/212dbe
12:47 <madmax|pt> nvm
12:47 <wrtlprnft> dunno exactly, ask Luke-Jr
12:48 <wrtlprnft> ask somone else, just not me ;)
12:50 <madmax|pt> my bison installation sure seems old
12:51 * Lucifer_arma wonders how long before someone notices the new title track, heh
12:51 <madmax|pt> lol
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that time shortens if I mention it, so I'll just go to bed
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> my important accomplishment tonight? installing audacity and taking advantage of the overwhelmingly good feeling of getting a 100 on his last calc test to make a new intro song :)
12:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> (100 = perfect score for you folks that don't use percentage grades)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> 1 = perfect score in Germany :P
12:56 <madmax|pt> hmm... maybe bison needs to be updated so i can open the project file
12:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so, but i have no clue about macos
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17:23 <DrJoeTron> whole lotta nothing this morning
17:25 <wrtlprnft> or afternoon
17:25 <Vanhayes> or exactally noon
17:26 <wrtlprnft> or midnight?
17:26 <Vanhayes> im sure it is some where
17:26 <Vanhayes> probly australia
17:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so was there anything wrong with adding a ::Recreate(std::vector<Variant>) for stuff?
17:28 <Luke-Jr> or perhaps a deque
17:29 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
17:29 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it probably isn't exactly midnight anywhere
17:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what? O.o
17:30 <wrtlprnft> it's 5:30 here and most timezones are shifted by whole hours
17:31 <DrJoeTron> 10:32 here
17:32 <wrtlprnft> PM
17:33 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:33 <Luke-Jr> it's 10:31
17:33 <Luke-Jr> not 30 or 32
17:33 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:34 <Luke-Jr> sorry
17:34 <Luke-Jr> I was wrong
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's :35
17:34 <GodTodd> actually...there are some time zones that are offset by 30 minutes
17:34 <wrtlprnft> !
17:34 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: I know
17:34 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: not many
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's unlikely it's midnight in one of them
17:34 <wrtlprnft> but I don't think they are in the right place right now
17:34 <GodTodd> not too far off tho...it'll be midnight in 4 hours in calcutta ;)
17:36 <GodTodd> err 3 hours
17:36 <GodTodd> 4 hours for kabul
17:38 <DrJoeTron> newfoundland was one of them
17:38 <DrJoeTron> is*
17:39 <Vanhayes> ya nefoundland is -3:30 hours GMT
17:39 <Vanhayes> newfoundland*
17:40 <linuxlizzard>
17:41 <wrtlprnft>
17:41 <DrJoeTron> i remember this from planning with spoon
17:41 <DrJoeTron> fucking invader
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh...
17:42 <GodTodd> then there's katmandu...they're really weird ;)
17:42 <linuxlizzard> ya, could you pm me the pass joe
17:42 <linuxlizzard> on the forums if not here
17:46 <DrJoeTron> taken care of
17:48 <linuxlizzard> thx X)
17:49 <linuxlizzard> hah you always have a way of making the greatest passwords ;)
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft <-- I hope Jon is happy now
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18:01 <ghableska> hello
18:01 <Vanhayes> hi ghableska
18:01 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
18:01 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi Vanhayes
18:02 <ghableska> :P
18:02 <wrtlprnft> ;)
18:02 * ghableska says hi
18:03 * Vanhayes Usage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps)
18:03 <wrtlprnft> help /me
18:04 <Vanhayes> lol
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 ME <message>
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 Sends a CTCP ACTION to the current channel or query. For example: /me sits back.
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 See also: ACTION, CTCP
18:04 <wrtlprnft> mine is more technical :P
18:04 <ghableska> :P
18:04 * Vanhayes *
18:05 * Vanhayes yes I can
18:05 * ghableska pokes Vanhayes
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP NOTICE test from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP VERSION from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <wrtlprnft> lololol
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5964 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Removed explicit breakpoint, whoops, left over from last debugging session.
18:06 <ghableska> O_o
18:06 * Vanhayes test
18:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
18:06 <wrtlprnft> if i send a CTCP VERSION to a channel i get replies from everyone?
18:07 <Vanhayes> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> now I have all your client versions
18:07 <linuxlizzard> heh
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from Vanhayes: xchat 2.6.4-1 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.79GHz]
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from ghableska: Trillian
18:07 <Vanhayes> lol
18:07 <ghableska> haha
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from linuxlizzard: XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.12 Linux 2.6.17-ARCH [i686]
18:08 <linuxlizzard> iei
18:08 <wrtlprnft> ghableska's client isn't very verbose :(
18:08 <ghableska> :P
18:08 <wrtlprnft> /ctcp version #freenode
18:08 <wrtlprnft> that would give tons of replies (and probably get me kicked from the network)
18:09 <Vanhayes> -wrtlprnft- VERSION irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux i686
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: twice?
18:09 <Vanhayes> ?
18:09 <Vanhayes> heh
18:13 <DrJoeTron> w3rd
18:14 <DrJoeTron> i cant beleive im reading about the edsel
18:16 <Vanhayes> ack
18:18 <linuxlizzard> ls
18:18 <linuxlizzard> meh wrong keyboard X)
18:18 <wrtlprnft> linuxlizzard: you don't want me to run /exec -o ls do you?
18:18 <linuxlizzard> hah
18:19 <linuxlizzard> no thanks ;)
18:19 <wrtlprnft> lucky for you
18:19 <wrtlprnft> it's many many lines
18:19 <linuxlizzard> lol
18:19 <wrtlprnft> aww
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19:05 <philippeqc> hi
19:06 <ghableska> hi philippeqc
19:06 <philippeqc> hi ghableska
19:08 <DrJoeTron> so many servers i dont want to play in today
19:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: has the bug after each round been resolved?
19:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it was my fault it seems
19:19 <wrtlprnft> I have no clue why, but removing my fix for pig sty fixed it
19:19 <philippeqc> my code is perfect of course, that is why I was suspicious of your accusations
19:19 <philippeqc> ;)
19:20 <wrtlprnft> I just couldn't imagine how that fix would cause such a crash
19:21 <wrtlprnft> as it was removing the zone from a list, causing other code NOT to access it
19:21 <philippeqc> from your cockpit map list?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> so how would this cause a message, "Hey! someone still wants to use that eNetObject!"
19:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:22 <philippeqc> when you removed the zone, are you sure it simply removed it from your list, and not actually gc it?
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> gc?
19:23 <philippeqc> garbage collected
19:23 <philippeqc> I know c++ doesnt have one
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no, it's just a deque of pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> but with all the smart pointer around
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no smart pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> one is bound to thing he is smarter than the rest
19:24 <wrtlprnft> you can have a look at it, second
19:24 <philippeqc> ok
19:24 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=5932
19:25 <wrtlprnft> especially look at zZone.h
19:25 <wrtlprnft> err
19:25 <wrtlprnft> .cpp
19:26 <wrtlprnft> you know more about zones by far
19:26 <philippeqc> 5931 is the crashing code?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> (philippeqc's knoledge about zones) / (wrtlprnft' knowledge of zones) = inf
19:26 <wrtlprnft> no, the one before
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> just take the newest revision
19:27 <wrtlprnft> and uncomment those lines
19:27 <philippeqc> and 5932 is the one that crash?
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.cpp:177-180
19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.h:71
19:27 <philippeqc> yes, I'm checking the diff atm
19:27 <DrJoeTron> time to do some escapades this month
19:28 <philippeqc> you cant comment out that block, it kills the object (gc them) while I still have some pointers to it
19:28 <DrJoeTron> going to order like 500 batteries, led's, magnets, and tape
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: commenting it out fixed it
19:28 <philippeqc> IIRC, the parent RemoveFromGame is more torough, and kills it
19:28 <linuxlizzard> what are you planing now joe :P
19:28 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can virtual constructors use varargs?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i'm calling it
19:28 <philippeqc> of 5931 and 5932, which one is the crashing one,
19:29 <wrtlprnft> virtual constructors don't exist
19:29 <wrtlprnft> 5931
19:29 <Luke-Jr> oh, right
19:29 * Luke-Jr stabs C++
19:29 <philippeqc> ok
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that has got to be one of the worst design decisions ever
19:29 <wrtlprnft> factories!
19:29 <Luke-Jr> still a bad design decision =p
19:29 <DrJoeTron> http://www.instructables.com/id/E9D2ZJ3FG0EP286JEJ/ this
19:29 <DrJoeTron> we've made 5
19:30 <DrJoeTron> ive found wrapping paper tape works fine as well
19:30 <linuxlizzard> haha
19:30 <Luke-Jr> would anyone be annoyed if we required '(new Add).Create(four, five)'
19:30 <Luke-Jr> err, s/./->
19:31 <DrJoeTron> if i understood any of that
19:31 <DrJoeTron> probably
19:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: weird, because I thing I'm the one who put that code there
19:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you aren't
19:31 <philippeqc> zZone.*
19:31 <wrtlprnft> i did put it there, definitely
19:31 <philippeqc> or I toiled with it,
19:31 <philippeqc> or is it zMonitor
19:32 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp?r1=5849&r2=5864&pathrev=5932
19:32 <wrtlprnft> err, no
19:33 <wrtlprnft> or rather, yes, that's it
19:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: nice !
19:34 <DrJoeTron> :D
19:34 * wrtlprnft should get a prize for his ability to confuse himself
19:34 <DrJoeTron> it will make chicago much more brilliant looking:D
19:35 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: no prize, I do it the same
19:36 <philippeqc> its a neat idea, quite simple but very neat!
19:36 <philippeqc> (was for DrJoeTron ^^)
19:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: is it possible to use a template for a constructor?
19:36 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the removal of zones is quite complex as they are used in 3 very different collections
19:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yes
19:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eg, have it simply wrap around a virtual
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i think so
19:37 <philippeqc> the main game object, your for the cock pit and mine for the parsing
19:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, not like that
19:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> try it :)
19:37 <DrJoeTron> we need to order in bulk though, seperately all of the materials costs about 5 bucks to make one
19:37 <DrJoeTron> but the batteries will last for 2 weeks
19:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's why I'm calling the parent function
19:37 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml
19:37 <DrJoeTron> while powering the led
19:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: download the pdf, it is really worth it!
19:38 <philippeqc> 5 USD for ONE!!!!
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **obj, args) {
19:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah.. we need to order in bulk, it wil be much cheaper
19:39 <wrtlprnft> *obj = new T(args);
19:39 <wrtlprnft> }
19:39 <wrtlprnft> that might work
19:39 <DrJoeTron> i'll throw up videos if we ever do this :D
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but it's ugly like hell
19:40 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: IIRC: zEffector.h, zValidator.h and zSelector.h all operate with factories. All the object are created through "virtual constructors" in gParser.cpp
19:41 <philippeqc> check it up
19:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: yes, but I want compatibility with existing non-virtual-constructor code if possible
19:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hrm, interesting
19:41 <philippeqc> it is not a virtual constructor, it is a factory
19:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the problem is, that doesn't handle run-time argument count
19:42 <Luke-Jr> so I was thinking
19:42 <wrtlprnft> nothing does
19:42 <philippeqc> forget I said "virtual constructor"
19:43 <Luke-Jr> template<typename R, typename A1, typename A2, ..., typename AN> R Base(A1, A2, ..., AN) etc
19:43 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how many parameters do you need??????????
19:43 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no reason for a limit
19:43 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: so now you are still producing them from over the counter bought parts?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how would you actually code the funtion?"
19:44 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what is the problem you are trying to fix?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it's a virtual problem
19:44 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't really exist
19:44 <philippeqc> lol
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: there will be a virtual ::recreate(std::deque<Variant>)
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I want the constructor template to create the deque passed to recreate
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Argument checking needs to be done at run-time to support function calls from expressions
19:46 <philippeqc> so the constructor has to fill a collection that can be used to make a copy of the object
19:46 <wrtlprnft> I'll leave it to philippeqc, who knows at least as much about c++ as i do and make supper
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: to initialize the object
19:47 <DrJoeTron> we made 5 initially to test them out
19:47 <DrJoeTron> and worked great
19:47 <DrJoeTron> so now we are gonna try and get this working
19:47 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you will probably have 3 types of objects based on math functions. 0 params, 1 param and 2 params. Whouldnt the parser need to first detect the case and then call among those 3 groupings?
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: these are for non-math functions
19:47 <philippeqc> o
19:48 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: how many are you gonna make and for what use?
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as many is money permits
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as*
19:48 <DrJoeTron> and for making chicago look pretty :D
19:48 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: is the std::deque used to input data in the constructor or to the recreate?
19:49 <Luke-Jr> ::recreate is the 'real' constructor
19:49 <Luke-Jr> it takes arguments from the deque
19:49 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: Study the following: simple solar cell, rechargable battery, simple circuitry that say "if sun, charge and off led, no sun: on led"
19:49 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor will simply wrap around ::recreate
19:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
19:50 <philippeqc> so the constructor read all the arguments and then build the deque that it pass to the recreate
19:50 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:51 <guru3> btw, transferring main site to sf's hosting
19:51 <philippeqc> guru3: why?
19:51 <Luke-Jr> guru3: why? we were migrating *from* SF, not to it =p
19:51 <guru3> because when i leave for university
19:51 <philippeqc> o ok
19:52 <guru3> i can't exactly keep using my parents internet
19:52 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: why does the constructor need the deque as a parameter?
19:53 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: we won't know the # of args until runtime
19:53 <philippeqc> is it empty when it receives it, or has some data and the ctor (constructor) append some, or it is prepopulated and nothing is added
19:53 <guru3> dinner, bbl
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor gets different data depending on the use
19:54 <philippeqc> yes
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the ::recreate ctor gets data assembled either by the C++ ctor or by the tValueParser
19:56 <philippeqc> in which case does the ctor actually add data to the deque?
19:56 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor creates the deque
19:56 <Luke-Jr> and adds all its arguments to it
19:58 <philippeqc> so the ctor never receive a prepopulated deque?
19:59 <philippeqc> could you describe the problem you are trying to fix. not the "how to pass unlimited args to a constructor" but the problem that let you to find that as a solution.
20:06 <Luke-Jr> I have a string with class name, and a deque with arguments
20:07 <Luke-Jr> Factory fixes class name -> class problem
20:08 <philippeqc> can the same class really take a variying number of parameter?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> it's not the same class
20:08 <philippeqc> so some class will take 1, some 2, etc...
20:08 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:08 <Luke-Jr> but we don't know the argument count for the CALL until runtime
20:08 <Luke-Jr> AFAIK, you can't call with a var # of args in C++
20:09 <philippeqc> so you could actually have a factory for all the class that take 1 param, one for all the class that take 2, etc
20:09 <Luke-Jr> so how will I turn the deque into actual arguments?
20:09 <philippeqc> switch (deque.size()) case 1: factory1.create(); break; case 2: factory2.create(); break; ...
20:10 <Luke-Jr> that doesn't pass the arguments to the ctor
20:10 <philippeqc> factory2.create(deque[0], deque[1])
20:10 <Luke-Jr> eww :x
20:11 <Luke-Jr> but I guess it would work up to a limited # of args
20:11 <philippeqc> at some point, you have to map a deque to some parameters.
20:11 <Luke-Jr> perhaps have a master factory, then
20:11 <Luke-Jr> which you pass the class name and deque to
20:12 <Luke-Jr> and it does the arg counting
20:12 <Luke-Jr> of course, we need a special factory anyway, so that's probably simple to add
20:12 <Luke-Jr> (to match not just class name, but class type)
20:12 <Luke-Jr> eg, some functions are only applicable for zones-- so they would have a zone type
20:13 <Luke-Jr> some are only for cockpits, etc
20:13 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: I'm not saying I know all about C++ and your problem, but I get the feeling you started on a track, and are bangning your head trying to bend C++ to fit that track, while maybe it is your design that should be revised.
20:13 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no, your idea solves it pretty good
20:14 <Luke-Jr> but even with a factory, we have 2 constructors :x
20:14 <Luke-Jr> I think?
20:14 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you have never implemented a factory, played with constructors and templates and function/ctor overloading based on arguments, and somehow I feel you are trying to take it all at once in one complex melting pot
20:17 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the problem is allowing both factory and C++ construction without extra code per-class
20:18 <Luke-Jr> eg, new Add() using the same code as Add::create()
20:18 <Luke-Jr> I want the Add() to use a template to call Add::create(), and not need to implement a dummy Add::Add() in .cpp
20:18 <philippeqc> yes,and it sound true when you say it. But maybe what you need right now is to put that on ice, learn about constructor (1), learn about overloading (2), learn about templates (3), make a few factories for the fun of it (4) and then come back to your problem
20:19 <philippeqc> Add::create() should call Add()
20:19 <Luke-Jr> ok, then that works too
20:19 <Luke-Jr> but I don't want every single class to implement ::create, you know?
20:19 <philippeqc> make your factory function call the right constructor. Check the code that I pointed out
20:20 <philippeqc> every single class will have to implement ::create(). that one is static and public, and the real constructor is private. That is the basis of the factory design pattern
20:20 <philippeqc> (IIRC)
20:21 <Luke-Jr> that's what I want to avoid
20:21 <philippeqc> Look
20:21 <philippeqc> at
20:21 <philippeqc> my
20:21 <philippeqc> code
20:21 <philippeqc> (I coulnd't insist more than that)
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20:24 <Luke-Jr> template<typename T, ... Args> Base *create(Args args) {
20:24 <Luke-Jr> return new T(args);
20:24 <Luke-Jr> }
20:24 <Luke-Jr> maybe that
20:25 <philippeqc> then you need to call that from withing a switch case to pass the right T
20:25 <philippeqc> which is what you are trying to avoid
20:25 <philippeqc> have you checked at my code?
20:26 <Luke-Jr> that's based on your code
20:29 <philippeqc> so you saw that the cost is either a big fat ugly switch case (3 lines / entry for readability )everywhere you want to call the "factory" or a single additional line for each class ;)
20:29 <philippeqc> I'm going to eat and watch a movie
20:29 <Luke-Jr> or neither
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20:32 <Luke-Jr> this all just reiterates the suckiness of C++
20:32 <Luke-Jr> factories shouldn't be necessary anyway
20:46 <Luke-Jr> template<typename T> class Creator<T> {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> public:
20:46 <Luke-Jr> template<... Args> static Base *create(Args args) const {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> return new T(args);
20:46 <Luke-Jr> };
20:46 <Luke-Jr> };
20:46 <Luke-Jr> Creator<Add>::create
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21:57 * wrtlprnft thinks Luke-Jr is thinking too complicated
21:58 <Luke-Jr> maybe more complicated for tValue, but simpler for the implementations
22:00 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you wanted ::Get<float> etc, right?
22:00 <Luke-Jr> // Alipha in ##c++ is awesome? ;p
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<float>() const { return GetFloat(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<int>() const { return GetInt(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<tString>() const { return GetString(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<Variant>() const { return GetValue(); }
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't work
22:07 <Luke-Jr> no?
22:10 <Luke-Jr> hrm, /me ponders why
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22:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my implementation of random and sin functions
22:53 <Luke-Jr> typedef fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
22:53 <Luke-Jr> typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> sin;
22:56 <DrJoeTron> alright boys
22:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: ?
22:56 <DrJoeTron> personal opinion
22:57 <DrJoeTron> you think I can get something recorded in less that 2 weeks?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> than*
22:57 <DrJoeTron> 2 weeks is all i have
22:58 <Luke-Jr> recorded?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> music
22:58 <Luke-Jr> um
22:58 <Luke-Jr> if you have a mic, sure
22:58 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:58 <DrJoeTron> sweet
22:59 <DrJoeTron> getting into crunch time
23:04 <linuxlizzard> waht exactly are you trying to pull off here joe? ;P
23:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5965 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Allow Get<type> instead of GetType
23:11 <DrJoeTron> me?
23:11 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i are trying to get things recorded
23:11 <DrJoeTron> since we were just 1upped
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and we have 2 weeks before he leaves
23:11 <DrJoeTron> so
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we're trying to get our stuff going
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we were 1upped by our old guitarist
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and his stuff is just so retarded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> so we want to get like 4 songs recorded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> 2 of which are jams
23:13 <DrJoeTron> 2 are going to be les claypool ish
23:13 <DrJoeTron> psuedo folk songs, songs about people
23:13 <DrJoeTron> made up people
23:15 <linuxlizzard> heh
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23:44 <guru3> someone open up the main armagetronad.net site plz?
23:44 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:44 <DrJoeTron> what am i looking for
23:44 <guru3> bottom of the page
23:44 <guru3> black button there?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> support this project?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> yes
23:45 <guru3> good
23:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, I see your personal site there
23:45 <guru3> mmm
23:45 <wrtlprnft> electricpotential.net
23:45 <guru3> guess the dns hasn't updated for you
23:46 <wrtlprnft> now it works
23:47 <guru3> cool
23:47 <wrtlprnft> my browser is caching all DNS queries
23:47 <guru3> that saves me about 4GB/month of traffic now
23:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm, hopefully I'll get a shiny new vserver in about half a year
23:48 <wrtlprnft> when the domain for my old hosting runs out
23:49 <wrtlprnft> then I won't have any trouble hosting something that takes 4GB/month
23:49 <guru3> it's not that i have trouble
23:49 <guru3> but that i don't want to leave it at home
23:49 <guru3> when i don't live here anymore
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i read it
23:49 <guru3> god knows what will happen to the forums :/
23:49 <guru3> anyone be ticked off if they just disapear?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i won't be that happy
23:53 <DrJoeTron> http://user.it.uu.se/~svens/larverna/normal.html attack of the catterpillars
23:54 <wrtlprnft> give the database to Lucifer_arma or someone
23:54 <wrtlprnft> if it's just plain PHP or mysql I could even host them
23:54 <wrtlprnft> how much traffic do they generate?
23:54 <guru3> that's kind of sick
23:55 <guru3> the forums?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:55 <guru3> i'm afraid to look
23:56 <wrtlprnft> anything below 45GB i could do
23:57 <guru3> i know the folder is ~1GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> ack
23:57 <wrtlprnft> that's a limit I can't do
23:57 <guru3> which
23:57 <wrtlprnft> the size
23:57 <guru3> is why i'm afraid to check out actual bandwith usage
23:57 <wrtlprnft> my hoser gives me only one GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> *hoster
23:58 <guru3> ><
23:58 <guru3> having the forums where they've been
23:58 <guru3> has been a godsend
23:59 <wrtlprnft> and you couldn't put them on SF?
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