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Log from 2006-07-25:
--- Day changed Tue Jul 25 2006
00:04 <spidey> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
00:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: what about the home vs away thing?
00:04 <spidey> ?
00:05 <luke-jr_> like some sports I think
00:05 <luke-jr_> games have a home team
00:05 <spidey> yea
00:05 <luke-jr_> home team picks tail length, game mode, etc?
00:05 <spidey> sure but if it runs from the webserver pigsty is out
00:05 <luke-jr_> ?
00:06 <spidey> depends which server would be hosting it
00:06 <luke-jr_> I was planning to host it on lightfoot
00:06 <spidey> k
00:06 <spidey> btw
00:06 <spidey> you have weird names for computers :p
00:06 <luke-jr_> that's an unusual name for mine
00:06 <luke-jr_> my usual ones are like
00:06 <luke-jr_> hachi
00:06 <luke-jr_> koryusaikun
00:06 <luke-jr_> tsurukikun
00:06 <luke-jr_> miyachan
00:07 <luke-jr_> kazumichan
00:07 <spidey> .....
00:07 <luke-jr_> LOL
00:07 <spidey> like i said
00:07 <spidey> you have weird names for computers :p
00:07 <luke-jr_> arumekun
00:07 <spidey> i have
00:07 <luke-jr_> I wanted to name one langly
00:07 <luke-jr_> but my wife said no
00:07 <spidey> zion abyss and apollo
00:07 <luke-jr_> i c
00:08 <DrJoeTron> weird names man
00:08 <spidey> you probably named all your lobster
00:08 <luke-jr_> what do you guys think about a curved potential earnings graph?
00:08 <DrJoeTron> buh?
00:08 <luke-jr_> like, someone playing in the tourney gratis gets at most 1% winnings if they win
00:08 <spidey> next computer i get i'm naming it prawn
00:08 <luke-jr_> if they put in $5 to play, they get like 7.50%
00:08 <luke-jr_> etc
00:09 <spidey> honestly
00:09 <spidey> noone will sign up
00:09 <DrJoeTron> this one is currently vanilla
00:09 <luke-jr_> why not?
00:09 <spidey> well.....
00:09 <spidey> name one person besides someone in this channel that would
00:09 <DrJoeTron> cause i put windows normal on
00:09 <luke-jr_> shrug
00:10 <spidey> :)
00:10 <luke-jr_> I'd need to make a poll
00:10 <spidey> make it
00:10 <spidey> i bet you don't get more than 5 peopel
00:10 <spidey> :p
00:10 <luke-jr_> maybe, I need to write a program to calculate reasonable %s tho
00:10 <luke-jr_> the problem would be if there were lots of $0 players, and only one >$0 player who won
00:11 <spidey> they get 0% ?
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00:11 <luke-jr_> no
00:11 <luke-jr_> even $0 players get 1%
00:11 <spidey> set a minimal amount
00:11 <spidey> the only way
00:11 <luke-jr_> $5 players would get 7-8% or so
00:11 <luke-jr_> yes
00:11 <luke-jr_> minimum on $5 is $8
00:12 <luke-jr_> $10 is $20
00:12 <luke-jr_> $25 is $35
00:12 <luke-jr_> er, s/$10/$15
00:14 <luke-jr_> now ideally, there's be even distribution over the bets and a $0 player would win ;p
00:14 <spidey> $0??
00:14 <luke-jr_> someone who plays for free
00:14 <spidey> if you set a minimal there won't be a $0
00:15 <luke-jr_> $0 player is someone betting $0
00:15 <luke-jr_> they have no minimum, and a 1st place of 1%
00:16 <luke-jr_> $5 player bets $5, and if 1st place gets 7.5% or minimum $8
00:16 <luke-jr_> something liek that
00:17 <luke-jr_> 2nd place gets 75% of their 1st place #s etc
00:20 <spidey> ok
00:20 <spidey> anyways
00:20 <spidey> i'm going to sleep
00:20 <spidey> night
00:20 <DrJoeTron> http://genierub.ytmnd.com/
00:20 <Vanhayes_> what is web_password in config folder for?
00:21 <spidey> seems xorg decided to use 25% of my cpu cycle instead of 99.9%
00:21 <spidey> O.o
00:22 <Vanhayes_> for that matter what is settings_web for too?
00:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: BTW, this formula won't work for teams ;p
00:22 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: wtf?
00:22  * spidey note tomorrow i find out if i fail 8th grade again or not
00:23 <spidey> i should probably average my grades off myself to see
00:23 <spidey> heh
00:23 <Vanhayes_> they are .cfg files in my config folder
00:23 <Vanhayes_> I have no Idea how or when they got there
00:23 -!- spidey is now known as pwn
00:24 -!- pwn is now known as Anthrax
00:24 <Anthrax> grrr
00:24 -!- Anthrax is now known as Abyss
00:24 <Abyss> i hate freenode
00:24 <Abyss> all my names are taken :<
00:24 <Abyss>  /me goes to bed for real now
00:25  * wrtlprnft notes that you don't have to rename yourself to see if a name is taken
00:25 <wrtlprnft> just say /msg nickserv INFO thenickyouwannacheck
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00:26 <Vanhayes_> does guest:mydomain.com:485264dcc977a1925370b89d516a1477 mean anything to anyone?
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00:26 <Vanhayes> thats what web_password.cfg has in it
00:27 <wrtlprnft> that's fine
00:27 <Vanhayes> what is it though?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> it's the access data for the non- existing web interface
00:27 <wrtlprnft> or barely existing
00:28  * Lucifer_arma names his computers after princes of Amber
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop is called Ghostwheel, which is the computer Corwin's son builds
00:28 <wrtlprnft> my laptop is called laptop
00:32 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:32 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why aren't we just doing a simple IPC admin protocol and write a web interface in PHP? O.o
01:04 <luke-jr_> or better yet, just extend the current protocol to be friendly to non-games and listen on TCP?
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01:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: wouldn't tcp be a bad idea for a game?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: because we don't want a php dependency
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> however, if you can get CGI to work on the web server, you're more than welcome to tackle a php-based side project that does exactly that
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02:39 <DrJoeTron> ~
02:39 <DrJoeTron> !
02:40 <DrJoeTron> BACK
02:40 <DrJoeTron> oops
02:40 <DrJoeTron> caps
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02:48 <Lucifer_arma> CAPS LOCK SUCKS
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
03:08 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: what will cycle_intensity, or something like that, do?
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03:15 <groundpig> luke-jr_: what OS did you compile spidey's server on?
03:20 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_:  nvrm he meant invulnerable not intensity 
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03:22 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: not for a config interface
03:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I think PHP is a reasonable dependency for a webapp on a server
03:23 <luke-jr_> groundpig: It's a dual Opteron running in 32-bit mode
03:23 <groundpig> linux?
03:24 <luke-jr_> groundpig: Debian, yes
03:25 <groundpig> anything you had to do besides just apply the patch and compile?
03:25 <luke-jr_> nope
03:25 <luke-jr_> well, nothing out of the ordinary anyhow
03:25 <groundpig> cool, thanks
03:25 <groundpig> someone tried it and was having linking problems
03:25 <luke-jr_> I also had to apply my own patch, and fix a bug in the Makefile
03:26 <luke-jr_> weird
03:26 <luke-jr_> paste the error on a pastebin?
03:26 <groundpig> does this look familiar?
03:26 <groundpig> libtron.a(libtron_a-gParser.o): In function `gParser::parseZone(eGrid*, _xmlNode                                     *, unsigned char const*)':
03:26 <groundpig> gParser.cpp:(.text+0x3485): undefined reference to `gDeathZoneHack::gDeathZoneHa                                     ck(eGrid*, eCoord const&)'
03:26 <groundpig> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
03:26 <groundpig> make[3]: *** [armagetronad_main] Error 1
03:26 <groundpig> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ed/armagetronad-' 
03:26 <luke-jr_> nope
03:26 <groundpig> whats a pastebin :)
03:26 <luke-jr_> ...
03:27 <luke-jr_> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
03:28 <groundpig> so i shouldn't post error messages to IRC then :)
03:28 <luke-jr_> not unless they're 1 or 2 lines
03:29 <groundpig> i'm an IRC noob
03:29 <luke-jr_> heh
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: note that I was't talking about just "any" webserver, I was talking about an interface that ships with the game
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> it really helps if you read everything
03:34 <luke-jr_> the interface provides a webapp
03:34 <luke-jr_> for a server
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> so you want the dedicated server to have a php dependency now?
03:34 <luke-jr_> only for a webapp-providing one
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> why?  Why not just write the code in C++?
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> at least then you have access to the internals of the server
03:35 <luke-jr_> 1) because C++ requires a recompile to tweak
03:35 <luke-jr_> 2) we have a monopoly on the web interface
03:35 <luke-jr_> 3) better to export the internals properly
03:35 <luke-jr_> 2) ... if we use C++
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> this is more of your "can't" philosophy, isn't it?
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> we can provide a perfectly fine admin interface through the web server in C++ and stil allow people to write alternatives
03:36 <luke-jr_> using PHP and a TCP admin/internals protocol, we can have the admin webapp be a seperate package
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> "exporting properly" in this case is using environment variables since your script will be running as a CGI app
03:37 <luke-jr_> not competing alternatives
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> assuming you can get the server to compile that way anyway
03:37 <luke-jr_> eh?
03:37 <luke-jr_> exporting game internals
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd doesn't currently build with CGI
03:38 <luke-jr_> also, an internal webserver requires putting it on a different port than the rest of the website
03:38 <luke-jr_> it prevents proper integration and such
03:38 <luke-jr_> how will you embed it into a CMS?
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> an internal webserver prevents proper integration?  heh
03:38 <luke-jr_> integration into an existing website
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> <?php include "http://myserver.com/"; ?> ?
03:39 <luke-jr_> eww
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> besides, we can give all sorts of external interfaces
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> this is just more of your "can't" garbage, I'm not in the mood, later
03:39 <luke-jr_> what makes an addition dependency worse than embedding an entire webserver?
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> the "entire" webserver is already there
03:39 <luke-jr_> it can be removed
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> and *nothing* additional is required to compile it
03:40 <luke-jr_> we can make that the case by including FTGL, and all our other libs with the source
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> and it's there to provide "integration", someone just has to code it
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> you want to bundle php?  last time I built it, it took 20 minutes
03:41 <luke-jr_> my point being that bundling a dependency isn't a solution
03:41 <luke-jr_> people want websites, they'll run a webserver
03:41 <luke-jr_> and probably PHP
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's how shttpd was designed!  That's what you're supposed to do with it, if you want to use it to embed a web server in your application
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and php has xml-rpc built-in since some 4.x version
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> so we provide an xml-rpc server and there you go, language-independent integration
03:42 <luke-jr_> then its design is flawed-- no program should need to embed a webserver
03:42 <luke-jr_> ok, so why not write xml-rpc server instead?
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> xml-rpc server runs on a webserver
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a fancy name for saying "give me POST data in xml format telling me to do something, and I'll do it and give you return data in xml format"
03:43 <luke-jr_> but why not focus on that instead of a web interface?
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> the two go hand in hand
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a mutually exclusive thing, either way you need an httpd server, and that's what we have
03:43 <luke-jr_> ok, I'll presume you know what you're doing-- not my area of the project
03:44 <luke-jr_> seems like twice the work for it tho
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no you won't, but ok
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04:22 <groundpig> the Vanhayes are incrementing
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> someone come to bugfarm
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04:34 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/germany-nafta.php  hell we did pretty good for being at a disadvantage
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04:41 <DrJoeTron> my favorite band is piggy and the grounders
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04:57 <Lucifer_arma> My favorite band is Dr. Joe and the Joe Blobs
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04:57 <Lizz> hello
04:58 <DrJoeTron> i found a new band 
04:58 <DrJoeTron> they're gonna go places
04:58 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer and the clams of the underworld
04:58 <Lizz> travelling band?? :P
04:59 <Lizz> clams??? lololol
04:59 <Lizz> bearded?
04:59 <Lizz> nvm.. dont answer that... it was a naughty question ,, heh
05:00  * Lizz is soooo glad americans dont understand aussie slang
05:01 <DrJoeTron> oh we understand bearded clams
05:01 <Lizz> oh :/ lol
05:01 <Lizz> not BPs tho lmao
05:03 <Vanhayes> #wtf bp
05:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: bp: nothing appropriate
05:04 <Lizz> meh
05:04 <Lizz> nvm
05:04 <DrJoeTron> oh man, root bear float on a stick
05:04 <Lizz> o.O
05:04 <DrJoeTron> beer*
05:04 <Lizz> still O.o
05:05 <Lizz> has no clue what that is
05:05 <DrJoeTron> you know what root bear is?
05:05 <DrJoeTron> beer*
05:05 <DrJoeTron> fuck
05:05 <Lizz> yeah.. tastes like cough medicine.. yuck!!!
05:05 <DrJoeTron> heck no!
05:05 <Lizz> ewww yucky lol
05:05 <DrJoeTron> you guys just suck at making root beer
05:06 <Lizz> we dont make it coz its gross :P
05:06 <DrJoeTron> root beer floats are just glasses of root beer with a scoop of ice cream in it
05:07 <Lizz> omg *pukes*
05:07 <DrJoeTron> guys
05:07 <DrJoeTron> i have 2 propellors with motors
05:07 <Lizz> grooooooooooooooooss
05:07 <DrJoeTron> a tiny lithium ion batter
05:07 <DrJoeTron> and a transmittor
05:07 <Lizz> for?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> from an rc plane that was destroyed
05:07 <DrJoeTron> i took the parts out
05:07 <DrJoeTron> they work still fine
05:07 <DrJoeTron> just the plane is destroyed
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i wanna build something now
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i bought a new plane :D
05:08 <Lizz> cool :)
05:08 <Lizz> u look nice in dark blue vanners
05:09 <groundpig> i wonder when piggy and the grounders is going to play my town
05:09 <Lizz> when they get off the ground
05:09 <groundpig> they tour by bus?
05:10 <Lizz> burrow id of thought
05:11  * groundpig is buried *
05:11  * Lizz gets flowers
05:12 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:12  * DrJoeTron cuts himself on the spinning propellors
05:12 <Lizz> haha
05:12 <Lizz> :P
05:13 <DrJoeTron> damn these things are sharp
05:13 <DrJoeTron> its got good range
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05:13 <DrJoeTron> its about 600ft
05:13 <DrJoeTron> 300ft
05:13 <DrJoeTron> **
05:13 <DrJoeTron> im thinking about making an index card kite
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05:21  * Lizz would comment if she knew what that was
05:21  * groundpig would comment if he wasn't buried *
05:22  * Lizz digs him up
05:22 <groundpig> on second thought, i have no comment
05:22  * Lizz buries him again
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05:25 <Lizz> hiya yma
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> luke i crashed your experimental server again, could you reset it
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> hey lizz
05:27 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i was thinking a map like the puckman one i have up now would be cool with bouncing shots if it had all 45 degree walls on turns
05:27 <Lizz> sometimes i wish the was an arma server for over 21's only >.<
05:27 <Vanhayes> why 21?
05:28 <Lizz> well
05:28 <Lizz> age dosent really matter.. just meant mature ppl... not little kids
05:29 <Lizz> sometimes i feel like im back in kindergarten the way some of them carry on
05:29 <Lizz> and besides isnt luke under 21 still?? he wont be allowed in lol
05:29 <Vanhayes> heh i bet someone of them are pretty close to being in kindergarden
05:30 <Vanhayes> im under 21 too
05:30 <Lizz> i kno u are vanners.. but u dont act 5 like some do >.<
05:31 <Vanhayes> heh thats what silence is for
05:31 <Lizz> heh
05:31 <Lizz> ya ya
05:32 <Lizz> sometimes i play and its only older ppl in there.. its so nice for a change to have a decent convo instead of the usual dribble
05:32 <Lizz> but i luv most of the kids too.. just be nice to escape every so often :)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I pwn j00!
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.0.2.aamap.xml) try that out pig
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, that's wrong
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> i pwn j00!1
05:34 <DrJoeTron> im under 21 :p
05:34 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: Thanks!
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, joe's a kid
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
05:34 <Lizz> speaking of kids.. hiya looceee 
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hey im no kid
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> so's mom
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:35 <DrJoeTron> you see the opera browser review for ds?
05:35 <Lizz> not u either joe.. like i said.. not really an age thing 
05:35 <DrJoeTron> no aim express :/
05:35 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/24/spending-some-time-with-the-ds-browser/
05:36 <DrJoeTron> im so glad of amd buying ati
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> not me, I behave so immaturely in a server, heh
05:36 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:36 <Your_mom_arma> im a kid?
05:36 <DrJoeTron> im a jerk in servers
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> whenever I hit that INternet Game, I don't know what comes over me, it's like a second childhood
05:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:36 <Lizz> what ever happened to mary jane?? hardly ever see him.. not much of a loss tho :/
05:36 <DrJoeTron> i guess we're kids
05:36 <Lizz> naa ur babes :P
05:38 <Lizz> maybe we just need an "idiot proof" server instead
05:38 <Lizz> no wait
05:38 <Lizz> then i wouldnt get in it 
05:38 <DrJoeTron> the server would crash lizz
05:38 <Lizz> :/
05:39 <Lizz> does market still play?
05:39 <DrJoeTron> he comes on from time to time
05:39 <DrJoeTron> and ejaculates over oper
05:39 <Lizz> hes very odd
05:39 <DrJoeTron> opera*
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> pig did i crash your server?
05:39 <groundpig> nope
05:39 <groundpig> i accidentally started recoding it
05:40 <Your_mom_arma> right now it has a winzone at the center
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> this movie is so awesome
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> The Emperor's New Groove (told you I was a kid)
05:40 <groundpig> if i modify the map, how do i make sure people can download it?
05:40 <Your_mom_arma> host it or email it to luke?
05:41 <Lizz> i liked the movie cars lol
05:41 <Your_mom_arma> want me to modify it?
05:41 <groundpig> by host it, i just put it in my resources/proto dir?
05:42 <nemostultae> It needs to be hosted on a web-server.
05:43 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:44 <DrJoeTron> yes!
05:44 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
05:44 <DrJoeTron> i learned how to send .exe's and zips through gmail
05:44 <DrJoeTron> embed them into gifs :p
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> rename them from blah.exe to blah.jpg
05:45 <DrJoeTron> no no
05:45 <DrJoeTron> you combine it with a picture
05:45 <DrJoeTron> through command prompt
05:46 <DrJoeTron> Copy /B image.gif+file.zip Newfile.gif
05:46 <DrJoeTron> it will show up as gif
05:46 <DrJoeTron> if you embedded it with an mp3
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> pig do you wlready have ball/goal support?
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> already even
05:46 <DrJoeTron> drag and drop it into winamp it will play a music file
05:47 <DrJoeTron> when you send it, when the other person saves it, to access the zip file, the have to save the picture as a .zip and it will turn back into a zip file
05:47 <groundpig> was going to add that right after i finish recoding
05:48 <DrJoeTron> server doesnt show up pig
05:48 <DrJoeTron> is it not up?
05:48 <groundpig> i was going to add the ball logic first and start up a server to test er out
05:48 <groundpig> not up
05:48 <DrJoeTron> heh is mom a mod now/
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> squeak squeaker squeak squeakin
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> did you check out the map file yet, your wording in that pm was pretty vague
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> squeak squeakety squeak
05:49 <Your_mom_arma> ami missing something luci?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> squeak?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, just find a torrent, you'll love it
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> It's a rare beast, it is: a Disney movie that doesn't suck
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> this brings the total of Disney Unsucky Movies to what, 2?
05:50 <DrJoeTron> emporers new groove?
05:50 <DrJoeTron> ive seen that
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
05:50 <DrJoeTron> it was cute
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> is it sad i've already seen it?
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> guess not
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, not at all
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> so, fly a plane or drive a light cycle.....
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm........
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> you know what we need?
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> we need a FlightGear server
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> pig you can upload a map to the forums and just right click and find out where the file is a point to it in map_file
05:53 <DrJoeTron> flight gear crashed on me
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> and*
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: tht would require users to be logged in to download it, wouldn't it?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> is there a reason you dont' just use luke-jr_'s repository?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> me or pig?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, you know, pig, are you using 0.3.0 or later?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, both of you?  whoever needs the map hosted :)
05:55 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: tried out the map, thats a great map, but i would need the front of the goal to be open so the ball doesn't bounce off
05:55 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: using
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> ah, 0.3.0 has a webserver :)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> it points to your locally installed resources, so you just have to set client_repository or whichever it is
05:56 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: i don't want to deal with unstable code in development <sniff>
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> he says as he hacks his server :)
05:57 <groundpig> thank you, thank you, my client will be here all night
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:57 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
06:08 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i guess what i was thinking was goals like a bracket (bad ASCII art) -->  [    o    ]
06:09 <groundpig> and the goal inside the bracket area, but at least 5 or 10 units away from the side of the bracket
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> would the bracket be closed on the end closer to the nearest wall?
06:10 <groundpig> the end could *be* the rim i think, depends on if we want to hit the ball or drive in back of it
06:12 <groundpig> oh and if you could make the zone effect names be "ball" and "goal" that would help me out a great deal :B)
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06:21 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.1.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.1.aamap.xml) try this out pig, took some liberties with the map file tho, more like soccer, if you dont like it i'll make it with the brackets
06:23 <groundpig> as it turns out, my xml sucks
06:23 <groundpig> and even though it looked like it would have been OK with it, i forgot about the validation with the dtd
06:24 <groundpig> so i can't have "ball" or "goal" effect names without a dtd update
06:25 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: do you have any suggestions on the best way to have a map with new zone types?
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06:26 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
06:27 <groundpig> sorry
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> i could take a hack at a new dtd, but i dont really know what im doing
06:27 <anjori> Windows trolls are so cute
06:27 <anjori> just not when i'm trying to play tron :-/
06:33 <luke-jr_> groundpig: so upload it to the repository
06:33 <luke-jr_> oh, a new DTD :/
06:33 <luke-jr_> hm
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/exp dtd.zip not sure how it works  put it in resource/aateam after unzipped
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06:36 <Your_mom_arma> heh
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> hold on
06:36 <groundpig> :)
06:37 <Your_mom_arma>  http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/exp_dtd.zip
06:38 <Your_mom_arma>  MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml)
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> that points to the dtd
06:40 <groundpig> should it say something in that .xml about the dtd name?
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06:40 <Your_mom_arma> yeah it has too
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06:42 <groundpig> ah i see, my browser was not showing that part
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06:42 <groundpig> would it need the spawn points called out like the fortress maps?
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> uhh
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> what do you mean?
06:42 <groundpig> nevermind, i didn't see them, i see them now
06:44 <groundpig> so i guess the only question is how clients would get that new dtd :B)
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> by being in the irc for the last 3 minutes?
06:44 <nemostultae> The client can download the DTD, too.
06:44 <nemostultae> IRRC
06:44 <nemostultae> IIRC*
06:46 <nemostultae> Set RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER to http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/, and put the DTD at http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/AATeam/map- (might want to move it out of AATeam).
06:46 <Your_mom_arma> im part of aa team :{
06:46 <Your_mom_arma> kind of
06:47 <nemostultae> Heh, but AATeam is for official stuff, I think.
06:48 <nemostultae> If you have RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER set, you can just set your MAP_FILE to "Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml", also
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> well let me and pig try it out and if it actually works i'll set it up at Your_mom/dtd/
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> fair enough?
06:49 <nemostultae> sounds fine, I don't really mind it is in AATeam.
06:49 <groundpig> great, i will set the RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> i wouldnt not yet anyway pig
06:50 <groundpig> i'll wait
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> let me set it up so it actually downloads something
06:50 <groundpig> ok
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> arg...
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> i cant upload plain .dtd
06:52 <nemostultae> hmm, I can setup on my server if needed.
06:54 <nemostultae> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map- if you need it.
06:58 <Your_mom_arma> pig did you set it up?
06:58 <groundpig> you said to wait :)
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> oh yeah
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map- right nemo?
06:59 <nemostultae> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource
07:00 <groundpig> wouldn't that try to download the map also from there?
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> not if you use MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml) i think
07:01 <groundpig> ok
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> include the parenthesis and stuff inside
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> parenthesis
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> funny word
07:05 <groundpig> i don't have the zones showing up yet, but otherwise, perfect!
07:05 <groundpig> thanks
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07:11 <DrJoeTron> bbl
07:11 <groundpig> cya
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07:11 <Your_mom_arma> thanks for hosting that nemo
07:12 <groundpig> i concur, thank you nemo
07:12 <groundpig> 15 minutes i swear
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07:21 <wrtlprnft> BUG my trunk version of armagetronad doesn't exit anymore
07:21 <wrtlprnft> the window disappears, but it stays running on the console I start it on, unresponsive to ctrl-c, ctrl-z and friends
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07:29 <groundpig> i keep getting the ball stuck in the wall
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07:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup_Groups&curid=2668&diff=14196&oldid=14138
07:34 <wrtlprnft> second
07:34 <wrtlprnft> they actually PLAYED the last matches when it was 6:2 in the end?
07:34 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of idiots
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07:36 <Your_mom_arma> how i imagine it went looks like there team left, write that as 2 wins 
07:37 <groundpig> dedicated server seems to crash with this: MAP_FILE 
07:37 <groundpig> Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.
07:37 <groundpig> 1.2.aamap.xml)
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> remove the breaks in the line??
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> does the dedicayed server have the dtd?
07:38 <groundpig> even without that junk
07:38 <groundpig> it has the resource line
07:39 <wrtlprnft> you sure the server downloaded the DTD?
07:39 <Your_mom_arma> give it the dtd locally and then try it?
07:39 <groundpig> it crashes before it tells me what it did
07:39 <groundpig> that MAP_FILE line is the right format?
07:40 <wrtlprnft> should be
07:40 <wrtlprnft> but you're specifying an URI for the map
07:41 <wrtlprnft> it will try to download the DTD from the repository in RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER
07:41 <groundpig> which should work
07:41 <nemostultae> Is the server running?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> well, did it download it, can you check?
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl could you page up and look over some of this?
07:41 <groundpig> sure, where does it download to?
07:41 <nemostultae> it should be in resource/automatic
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07:42 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: what exactly? too much for me to read t
07:42 <wrtlprnft> it all
07:44 <Your_mom_arma> erm, just check that - RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource actual file here  http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map- MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml)
07:44 <luke-jr_> um!
07:45 <luke-jr_> I hope groundpig isn't publishing resources as author="AATeam" until he's actually part of the AATeam!
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> that was me and we where going to change it if it actually worked
07:45 <groundpig> i publish nothing :B)
07:46 <luke-jr_> it should
07:46 <groundpig> it was working in my client, but for some reason server is crashing on the MAP_FILE line
07:46 <luke-jr_> the game doesn't care what author made the DTD
07:46 <luke-jr_> probably because you're getting advice from Your_mom_arma 
07:46 <groundpig> ouch
07:46 <Your_mom_arma> yeah dont trust him he's an idiot
07:46 <luke-jr_> your client probably has a bug
07:46 <luke-jr_> because all map clients currently seem to
07:47 <groundpig> yeah the bug is that my client is working
07:47 <luke-jr_> the MAP_FILE variable is case sensitive
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> servers crashing not the client
07:47 <luke-jr_> the client sometimes will ignore that
07:47 <luke-jr_> they should really be giving you an error, or at least a warning
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> rewording that-  server crashes before a client can connect
07:48 <luke-jr_> also, the file on the repository also is case sensitive often
07:48 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: with what error?
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> ask groundpig
07:48 <groundpig> exception
07:48 <luke-jr_> ...
07:48 <luke-jr_> so detailed! ;p
07:48 <groundpig> before it can do anything but read the MAP_FILE line
07:49 <luke-jr_> what is the MAP_FILE and RESOURCE_REPOSITORY set to/
07:49 <luke-jr_> ?
07:50 <nemostultae> look up ^
07:50 <groundpig> sorry for big paste - if i delete the dtd and map that the client downloads fine - server will get this far and then die:
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Resource Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml not found in cache. Downl
07:50 <groundpig> oading it, please be patient...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Downloading http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.x
07:50 <groundpig> ml ...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] OK
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Resource AATeam/map- not found in cache. Downloading it, plea
07:50 <groundpig> se be patient...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Downloading http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0
07:50 <groundpig> .2.8.0_pig.dtd ...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] OK
07:50 <luke-jr_> wtf?
07:50 <luke-jr_> oh
07:50 <nemostultae> ftw?
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07:51 <Your_mom_arma> for the win?
07:52 <luke-jr_> groundpig: how about a debugger?
07:54 <groundpig> yep, those are nice
07:54 <groundpig> not set up for one at the moment
07:56 <groundpig> who knew negative create times would crash the server :B)
07:56 <groundpig> server up
08:00 <luke-jr_> what's new?
08:09 <Your_mom_arma> isnt on my master server list
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08:13 <Your_mom_arma> joe go to pigs server
08:15 <DrJoeTron> servers full
08:15 <Vanhayes> soo fun
08:16 <DrJoeTron> kick someone ;D
08:16 <Your_mom_arma> okay someone left
08:16 <DrJoeTron> nope
08:17 <Your_mom_arma> van left
08:19 <Vanhayes> stupid connection
08:19 <Vanhayes> heh nope
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08:28 <TitsnAss> yo
08:28 <TitsnAss> ey bitchs u guys doing the world cup?
08:29 <TitsnAss> what time is the us worldcup on tron for 8 gmt
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08:30 <TitsnAss> 2 hayes
08:30 <Vanhayes__> im surprised there wasnt more
08:30 <TitsnAss> hm
08:30 <TitsnAss> are you playing the worldcup?
08:30 <Vanhayes__> NAFTA is out as far as I know
08:31 <TitsnAss> ok
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08:33 <_Vanhayes> stupid connection
08:33 <TitsnAss> lol
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08:36 <Vanhayes__> grr
08:36 <Vanhayes__> getting pretty bad now
08:38 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:38 <wrtlprnft> soccer sty is full
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08:39 <TitsnAss> yeah
08:39 <TitsnAss> :(
08:39 <TitsnAss> :)
08:39 <TitsnAss> :P
08:39 <TitsnAss> :D
08:39 <TitsnAss> :X
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08:39 <TitsnAss> hey homos
08:39 <wrtlprnft> can't get in
08:39 <TitsnAss> wadup
08:40 <TitsnAss> AT THE CUP!!!
08:40 <TitsnAss> anyone know what time it is in GMT -8
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08:40 <Vanhayes__> 12 pm
08:40 <Vanhayes__> er
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08:40 <z-man> High Noon :)
08:41 <Vanhayes> heh ya
08:41 <z-man> 8 PM GMT - 8 hours is 0 PM
08:41 <Vanhayes> there is a 0 GMT??
08:41 <z-man> no
08:41 <wrtlprnft> 12PM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> err
08:41 <wrtlprnft> 12AM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> no, PM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> gah, AM/PM sucks
08:42 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: kick someone :S
08:42 <DrJoeTron> fucking damn it
08:42 <DrJoeTron> tthanks guys :/
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:42 <Vanhayes> lol nice its open
08:42 <wrtlprnft> you got kicked?
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> rejoin
08:42 <DrJoeTron> im on 2.8.2
08:42 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.1
08:43 <luke-jr_> you mean
08:43 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> 2.8.1
08:43 <luke-jr_> there is no 2.8.1
08:43 <Vanhayes> or .2.8.1
08:43 <DrJoeTron> oh shut up
08:44 <Your_mom_arma> joe rejoin
08:44 <DrJoeTron> either way im not the right client
08:44 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: don't complain to me; I was arguing making 2.8.1 the real version =p
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08:46 <luke-jr_> anyone know if there's a name for this? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mHE9zG24.html
08:46 <luke-jr_> (tournament style)
08:46 <Vanhayes> anjori: upgrade your client
08:46 <anjori> yeah. fuck that.
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> hey anj im about to leave, want my spot?
08:47 <anjori> nah. apparently my client isnt recent enough
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> pig changed the settings back
08:47 <anjori> that's all right. but thanks for the offer.
08:48  * anjori can't upgrade until autopackage quits giving him errors
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> that was awesome :)
08:50 <DrJoeTron> that was fun
08:50 <groundpig> :B)
08:50 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma's idea
08:50 <Your_mom_arma> luke could you host that dtd on the resource repository at Your_mom/dtd/map-
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, you can make a version of the map that's compatible with older clients if the client doesn't have to simulate anything
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> the fortress map works that way, actually, for and earlier
08:51 <groundpig> client doesn't have to simulate anything
08:51 <Your_mom_arma> currently hosted on  http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> right, so feed the server the one it needs and just give clients a map with the walls and spawn points
08:52 <Your_mom_arma> he means a square map with just zones
08:52 <groundpig> ah i see
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> so clients don't need the dtd, only the server needs it, and you can store that locally
08:52 <groundpig> that would be nice
08:53 <Lizz> well!!!!! i never!!!!!
08:53 <Your_mom_arma> ?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> also, you might consider making the goal zone a zone that conquers itself and kills the last teammate in it
08:53 <Lizz> is joe still here???
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to keep the goalie in his box
08:53 <Your_mom_arma> haha luci
08:53 <groundpig> :B)
08:54 <groundpig> hoping to finish it up this week so i can keep a server up
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: you still got that basketball court texture laying around?
08:54 <Vanhayes> heh since there is so much rubber no new players can join in now
08:54 <Lizz> well.. i just found out who a player is thats been causing joe trouble
08:54 <Lizz> amazing
08:54 <DrJoeTron> hey im here
08:54  * groundpig has to sleep, signs off *
08:54 <Lizz> joe
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> night pig
08:54 <Lizz> u kno that cypher guy?
08:54 <DrJoeTron> watcha find?
08:54 <DrJoeTron> yes
08:55 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: can you come in and /admin kill us please?
08:55 <Abyss> ::|
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> he's spidey?
08:55 <wrtlprnft> we can't die
08:55 <wrtlprnft> the round won't end
08:55 <Lizz> well its actually someone from E clan
08:55 <Abyss> who's spidey?
08:55 <Lizz> ssin 
08:55 <Abyss> sin?
08:55 <Lizz> -s
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> hi spidey
08:55 <Lizz> arcanus
08:55 <Abyss> that's arcanus
08:55 <Lizz> ya
08:55 <Abyss> hi
08:55 <Abyss> i'm tired
08:55 <Lizz> hiya abbi
08:55 <Abyss> and Xorg is eating the shit outta my cpu
08:56 <DrJoeTron> i see
08:56 <DrJoeTron> arcanus eh?
08:56 <Lizz> interesting....
08:56 <Lizz> yes
08:56 <Lizz> one sec
08:56 <DrJoeTron> where did you find this out?
08:56 <Lizz> but some of the time he just loses it. does stupid things, likes pretends to be STM cyper,
08:56 <Abyss> he's been arc
08:56 <Lizz> from eagle eye
08:56 <Abyss> he's told me
08:56 <Your_mom_arma> did pig leave?
08:57 <DrJoeTron> i see
08:57 <DrJoeTron> well thanks for the tip
08:57 <Abyss> he was arcanus in mbc and sin in sp ;x
08:57 <anjori> sinarc is a bitch
08:57  * groundpig was supposed to leave *
08:57 <Lizz> yvw i kno he has given u trouble
08:57 <Abyss> anjori was there when he admitted it
08:57 -!- Abyss is now known as spidey
08:57 <Your_mom_arma> well i already uploaded the new file same stuff just .3 not .2
08:57 <DrJoeTron> do you know why he was?
08:57 <Lizz> i kno sin is arc.. always have known
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08:57 <DrJoeTron> thats what i wanna know
08:58 <groundpig> should i switch over?
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> but you need to get luke or nemo to host the dtd
08:58 <anjori> he came into wild fort a few weeks back under yet another name and told me "someone says hi"
08:58  * spidey trips groundpig 
08:58 <groundpig> ok if we leave it up as is now for another day?
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> it wouldnt work pig
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
08:58 <groundpig> cool, let me know when i can switch it over
08:59 <Lizz> joe u get that PM?
08:59 <Your_mom_arma> needs to be hosted at .../Your_mom/dtd/ on another server and have resource rep changed
09:00  * Your_mom_arma is going to have to get an account for the resource repository luke hosts
09:00 <Lizz> joe?
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09:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> I can host the dtd too
09:01 <Lizz> u got aim?
09:01 <DrJoeTron> sure do
09:01 <DrJoeTron> <---
09:01 <Lizz> k one sec
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09:01 <Lucifer_arma> umm, oh yeah, if you were running on the trunk you'd have an embedded web server to take care of it for you :)
09:04 <Your_mom_arma> sorry luci cant find that texture anywhere
09:06 <anjori> it's right over there
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09:08 <Your_mom_arma> i thought i backup'd all my arma textures but i cant find the zip
09:08 <spidey> any reason konqueror  doesn't do flash?
09:10 <anjori> because you havent installed it (properly)?
09:10 <spidey> ...
09:10 <spidey> firefox does it just fine
09:10 <spidey> #time
09:10 <armabot> spidey: 02:11 AM, July 25, 2006
09:11 <anjori> flash works in konq for me.
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09:20  * spidey goes make a pizza then tron
09:20 <spidey> wtf,my panel just disappeared
09:20 <spidey> O.o
09:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:20 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
09:21 <Vanhayes> spidey play groundpig's server
09:21 <spidey> #insult "[Xpert]DarkStar "
09:21 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar  - You are nothing but a hacked-up assload of hedge-born IPC. 
09:21 <spidey> will in a sec,brb
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey 
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a wretched coagulation of infected sores. 
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey 
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey 
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey 
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey 
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a fulminating bucket of tottering warts. 
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a squishy mound of thick puke. 
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a puny puddle of flap-mouthed cat. 
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a hugger-muggered quart of Microsoft-loving manuals. 
09:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and my computer is making a strange noise :S
09:25 <spidey> it gonna blow up?
09:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: you would need to configure your Mozilla plugin directory in KDE
09:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: but Flash sucks
09:26 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: fan dying?
09:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it seems like it's a PSU fan...
09:26 <luke-jr_> ooh that can be bad
09:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not worse than the CPU fan
09:26 <luke-jr_> assuming it goes uncaught
09:26 <luke-jr_> yes, I think worse
09:27 <luke-jr_> CPU fan will just melt a CPU
09:27 <luke-jr_> PSU fan could do fires
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> even if it's only 1 of 2?
09:29 <luke-jr_> your PSU has 2 fans?
09:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
09:29 <luke-jr_> most don't
09:29 <luke-jr_> and if yours has 2, I imagine it needs 2
09:29 <luke-jr_> not 1
09:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or one is backup
09:30 <luke-jr_> potentially
09:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the noise disappeared :S
09:30 <luke-jr_> even my quad-CPU-capable Xeon server only has 1 fan per PSU tho
09:30 <luke-jr_> of course, it does have 3 PSUs...
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> quad cpu 0o
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> holy shit
09:31 <luke-jr_> capable
09:31 <luke-jr_> it only has 2 CPUs installed
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "only"
09:31 <luke-jr_> =p
09:31 <luke-jr_> 2 of 4 is 50%
09:31 <luke-jr_> maybe your PSU is between a normal single PSU and a double (one backup) PSU
09:32 <luke-jr_> eg, it can handle a fan failure, but not an electrical/component failure
09:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm planning to get a new one anyway sooner or later
09:33 <luke-jr_> a new fan or PSU ? o.O
09:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> new PSU
09:34 <luke-jr_> o
09:34 <luke-jr_> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.16-gentoo-r9/i686 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Katmai) (549.472 MHz) - Processes: 86 - Uptime:  07:34:56 up 3 days, 19:10,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 - Memory Usage: 658MB/2027MB (32%)
09:34 <luke-jr_> that's that quad-capable server BTW =p
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux helios 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #1 Thu Jul 20 21:21:28 Local time zone must be set--see zic manu sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's the machine i'm running irssi on
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and also a bunch of other 7/24 stuff
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like apache, my aa server, ...
09:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux darkstar 2.6.16-gentoo-r12 #3 SMP Tue Jul 11 11:21:10 Local time zone must be set--see zic  x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
09:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> this is my amd
09:36 <luke-jr_> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.17-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.924 MHz) - Processes: 329 - Uptime: 16d 3h 49m - Users: 115 - Load Average: 0.28 - Memory Usage: 4530MB/1002MB (451%)
09:36 <luke-jr_> that's my desktop
09:37 <luke-jr_> btw, you need to set your local timezone =p
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> screw that -.-
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i did on helios
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and still it would say it r not set
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09:37 <luke-jr_> ssh koryusaikun ~/bin/sysinfo
09:37 <luke-jr_> bash: /home/luke-jr/bin/sysinfo: No such file or directory
09:37 <luke-jr_> o well
09:37 <luke-jr_>  07:37:46 up 37 days, 20:22,  5 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00
09:37 <luke-jr_> Linux tsurukikun 2.6.17-gentoo #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 13:36:05 UTC 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that's koryusaikun =p
09:38 <luke-jr_> err, no its not
09:38 <luke-jr_>  07:38:02 up 37 days, 20:22,  5 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00
09:38 <luke-jr_> Linux koryusaikun 2.6.14-gentoo-r2 #6 Thu Mar 2 13:02:24 UTC 2006 i586 AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that is
09:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
09:38 <luke-jr_>  02:38:42 up 23:09,  1 user,  load average: 0.16, 0.09, 0.07
09:38 <luke-jr_> Linux coraputer 2.6.16-gentoo-r5 #3 PREEMPT Wed May 10 20:24:11 CDT 2006 ppc 750FX GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that's the laptop
09:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
09:39 <luke-jr_>  18:18:12 up 19 min, load average: 1.75, 0.87, 0.68
09:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my laptops aren't running atm
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got an ibm tp 240 and some sony vaio
09:40 <luke-jr_> Linux c7x0 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 5 18:11:34 CEST 2006 armv5tel unknown
09:40 <luke-jr_> That's the handheld
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could install linux on my 2nd ultra10....
09:42  * [Xpert]DarkStar connects serial cable
09:42 <luke-jr_> lol
09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah... it r too short... gotta relocate the u10 temporarily it seems
09:44 <luke-jr_> enetBcm(0,0)admin:/opt/vwMIPS_1_0_1_fcs/target/config/sb4100/vxWorks.st h= e= u=jmcqueen pw=rickey7 f=0x8 tn=SB4100 o=dbs1
09:44 <luke-jr_> that's my cable modem, lol
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:45 <luke-jr_>  07:45:45 up 3 days,  2:44, load average: 0.08, 0.01, 0.00
09:45 <luke-jr_> Linux router 2.4.30 #1 Sun Mar 26 19:02:04 CEST 2006 mips unknown
09:45 <luke-jr_> and router
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do you get on your cable modem?
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah it's also a router
09:45 <luke-jr_> serial
09:45 <luke-jr_> no, router is a diff box
09:45 <luke-jr_> router runs Linux
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cool
09:46 <luke-jr_> modem runs vxWorks :x
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the only thing not running linux, eh?
09:46 <luke-jr_> yeah
09:46 <luke-jr_> I'd pay lots to get an open modem
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
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09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun even have the option
09:46 <luke-jr_> ?
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to get one
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (an open modem)
09:47 <luke-jr_> neither do I =p
09:47 <luke-jr_> they don't exist
09:47 <luke-jr_> not for cable anyhow
09:47 <luke-jr_> theft of service and uncapping would be SO easy if they did lol
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i've seen DSL routers running linux
09:47 <luke-jr_> DSL is secure =p
09:47 <luke-jr_> DLink has at least one open source DSL modem
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have a dlink router
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it sucks....
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> restart on any changed setting...
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/router+modem.jpg
09:49 <luke-jr_> not supported by OpenWrt?
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> openwrt?
09:50 <luke-jr_> what model?
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> DI-524
09:50 <luke-jr_> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware#head-23aceae4ab1f4a2fe1e171cd55b5875b624dc2eb
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revision D is supported
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have rev b
09:51 <spidey> someone ripped in pigysty
09:51 <spidey> actually 2 people did
09:52 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM
10:00  * [Xpert]DarkStar hates dlink
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got the DI-524_revB
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they have firmware upgrade for
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revA
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revC
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revD
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revE
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> WHERE'S THE FUCKING REVB
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
10:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
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10:02 <cusco> hi
10:02 <cusco> I dunno anything about intertronick competition!
10:03 <cusco> has it started?
10:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #monologue
10:03 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
10:03 <cusco> [Xpert]DarkStar: make your point..
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10:03 <cusco> amI talking too much?
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10:03 <DrJoeTron> way to fuck up, modem
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10:04 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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10:05 <Your_mom_arma> joe did lizz say anything interesting or is the irc channel not secure enough?
10:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah it was pretty interesting
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10:05 <DrJoeTron> i guess it was some guy who goes by sin
10:05 <DrJoeTron> he was in sp
10:05 <DrJoeTron> and is now in e 
10:05 <DrJoeTron> so now
10:05 <DrJoeTron> for me
10:06 <Your_mom_arma> philip check out pigs server
10:06 <DrJoeTron> anyone from e is instabanned from my servers
10:06 <DrJoeTron> cause im a fucking creep
10:07 <Your_mom_arma> heh
10:07 <DrJoeTron> well not creep
10:07 <DrJoeTron> just jerk
10:09 <Your_mom_arma> nothing wrong with that
10:11 <DrJoeTron> this is true
10:11 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
10:11 <DrJoeTron> i guess he used to be named arcanus
10:11 <DrJoeTron> and was with mbc
10:12 <DrJoeTron> and he goes crazy and goes under the name stm cypher
10:12 <DrJoeTron> and becomes a real prick
10:12 <DrJoeTron> so
10:12 <philippeqc> ok Your_mom_arma 
10:12 <DrJoeTron> fuck anyone associted him
10:13 <DrJoeTron> associated*
10:13 <DrJoeTron> damn it
10:14 <DrJoeTron> hl2 dm time :D
10:14 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
10:14 <Your_mom_arma> yeah?
10:14 <DrJoeTron> whats your friend code for mario kart
10:14 <Your_mom_arma> still havnt hooked up my ds onlie
10:15 <DrJoeTron> ah
10:15 <DrJoeTron> you still have a friend code though
10:15 <Your_mom_arma> want to join pigs server?
10:15 <Your_mom_arma> you sure?
10:15 <DrJoeTron> yes
10:16 <DrJoeTron> and then you need mine
10:16 <DrJoeTron> 133216 753861
10:19 <Your_mom_arma> im on mario kart right now and it says wont be generated will i connect to nintendo wfc
10:19 <DrJoeTron> woops
10:19 <DrJoeTron> heh looks like im wrong :p
10:20 <Your_mom_arma> joe could you hop on pig and limit the time for a match?
10:20 <DrJoeTron> whats the command
10:20 <Your_mom_arma> limit_time 2
10:20 <DrJoeTron> server full
10:21 <Your_mom_arma> here take my spot
10:21 <Your_mom_arma> kick someone please
10:22 <Your_mom_arma> thanks joe
10:22 <DrJoeTron> no problem
10:31 <luke-jr_> ...
10:33 <Your_mom_arma> ?
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> if Madonna ever runs for PResident, she's got my vote
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:41 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nigh Lucifer_arma
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night even
10:45 <wrtlprnft> stop talking about openWRT :S
10:45 <wrtlprnft> it wakes me
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10:55 <spidey> that server so doesn't like me
10:59 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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10:59 <cusco> that was a foot ball game
11:04 <philippeqc> shout change the name to hockey ;)
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11:27 <spidey> #g 51017hours in days
11:27 <armabot> 51,017 hours = 2,125.70833 days
11:27 <spidey> O.o
11:27 <spidey> i be damned if i'm downloading that movie
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours in years
11:29 <armabot> 51,017 hours = 5.81999654 years
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours
11:29 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours in time
11:29 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:30 <wrtlprnft> i want it to tell me something like 5 years 234 days 12 hours 42 minutes 12.345 seconds :S
11:30 <wrtlprnft> but i guess it won't
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11:31 <spidey> heh
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11:40 <DrJoeTron> night time for me
11:40 <DrJoeTron> erm
11:40 <DrJoeTron> early early moring
11:41 <DrJoeTron> but need to sleep
11:41 <DrJoeTron> ta
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12:06 <DrJoeTron> fuck it
12:08 <spidey> lol
12:08 <spidey> #night
12:08 <armabot> Good night spidey!
12:08 <spidey> gonna get me a hour of sleep
12:08 <DrJoeTron> fuck that
12:09 <DrJoeTron> #morning
12:09 <armabot> Good Morning DrJoeTron [f]
12:09 <DrJoeTron> thats right
12:09 <DrJoeTron> #christmas
12:10 <DrJoeTron> (
12:10 <DrJoeTron> #kill
12:11 <philippeqc> anyone not going to bed want to try a new zone map
12:12 <DrJoeTron> im not going to bed, but ive had my tron fill
12:15 <DrJoeTron> actually, i think im going to make a new wallpaper for my pc
12:15 <DrJoeTron> im thinking something with Robots
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12:36 <philippeqc> joda!!!!1
12:37 <philippeqc> joda_bot: ping
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12:57 <joda_bot> philippeqc: hi
12:57 <philippeqc> hi
12:58 <philippeqc> how are you
12:58 <philippeqc> its been a while I saw you
12:58 <wrtlprnft> i guess it's time for me to fix the HUD map zones :S
12:58 <joda_bot> I'm really busy, just got an 1,3 in an exam, so I'm quite happy, but I have to hand in my thesis on thursday
12:58 <joda_bot> I've been working on the software for the thesis more than I should have, and now I'm late writing the text for it
12:58 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: zones ARE supposed to be destroyed on the client when they disappear, right?
12:58 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft:  yes
12:58 <joda_bot> http://homepages.upb.de/joda/cull
12:58 <wrtlprnft> and it looks like they aren't?
12:58 <philippeqc> ok joda, I understand
12:59 <joda_bot> If you've got java installed you might be able to start it
12:59 <philippeqc> o, they are destroyed on my client
12:59 <philippeqc> dont have java here
12:59 <joda_bot> It requires some Hardware Accleration though ;)
12:59 <philippeqc> so just 2 days for your thesis!
12:59 <joda_bot> :|
12:59 <joda_bot> Yeah
12:59 <joda_bot> and I have to bind it and hand in three copies
12:59 <philippeqc> ok, then I wont bother your with team code ;)
13:00 <joda_bot> including the software on CD ;)
13:00 <joda_bot> philippeqc: just implement stuff of it
13:00 <joda_bot> If we have a better idea later we still might change that
13:00 <philippeqc> I have a small "exact name match" stub for now
13:00 <joda_bot> :-)
13:01 <philippeqc> but people dont appreciate that
13:01 <philippeqc> zones are at a working state! Still lots to fix, but working quite fine
13:02 <joda_bot> ok, I'm back to work, I noticed you added alot of code which really wants me to close the other end ... not so long until I can start on it ;)
13:02  * wrtlprnft loves the passive, independend programming of the cockpit :)
13:02 <philippeqc> yes, now I know that you are not dead or missing in action, I can stop worriying
13:03 <philippeqc> good luck joda
13:03 <philippeqc> if you need a short break, check out the server named "zone v2 test server"
13:03 <joda_bot> I just had to focus .. because I got carried away too often by doing unimportant stuff instead of my "assigments"
13:04 <joda_bot> :-)
13:04 <joda_bot> ok
13:04 <philippeqc> yes
13:04 <joda_bot> #afernoon
13:04 <philippeqc> I can understand that
13:04 <philippeqc> cya
13:04 <joda_bot> #afternoon
13:04 <joda_bot> heh ;)
13:04 <joda_bot> ok cu
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13:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma deleted all useful aliases :(
13:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you say zones stay there on real view, or on minimap?
13:05 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's a double zone in the edge in real view
13:05 <wrtlprnft> and some on he HUD map
13:05 <wrtlprnft> like, it's unreachable
13:05 <philippeqc> minimap has a strange behavior, tried to fix it , but to no good. and that seems to be client error
13:05 <wrtlprnft> same edge where the first zone appears
13:05 <philippeqc> was the zone on the edge of map still there?
13:05 <philippeqc> i didnt see it in the latest round
13:05 <wrtlprnft> sev
13:05 <wrtlprnft> *sec
13:06 <wrtlprnft> yes it is there
13:06 <philippeqc> VERY weird
13:06 <philippeqc> stupid bots that kill me
13:07 <wrtlprnft> oh, something else, very annoying
13:08 <wrtlprnft> the current trunk code won't exit
13:08 <philippeqc> what?
13:08 <wrtlprnft> if you close the window disappears, but arma is still not finsihed
13:08 <wrtlprnft> maybe some threading thing
13:09 <philippeqc> you mean when you play on my server?
13:09 <wrtlprnft> no
13:09 <wrtlprnft> always
13:09 <wrtlprnft> i have to do ctrl-z and kill -9 %1
13:10 <philippeqc> ok. I have that sometimes too. often when there is a prog playing music alread (realplay)
13:10 <wrtlprnft> isn't here
13:10 <wrtlprnft> or
13:11 <wrtlprnft> maybe opera
13:11 <wrtlprnft> maybe some f*** flash videp
13:11 <philippeqc> or another arma or music in mozilla
13:11 <philippeqc> yes
13:11 <wrtlprnft> there's no arma running right now
13:11 <wrtlprnft> and no clue how i find out if something is using the sound card
13:12 <philippeqc> I was just listing the instances where I observed that bug.
13:12 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't happen to you right now?
13:12 <philippeqc> yes it did
13:12 <wrtlprnft> :S
13:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't hear any sound from arma
13:13 <philippeqc> but I've stopped realplay (was listening to streaming music)
13:13 <philippeqc> and the problem went away
13:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:14 <wrtlprnft> let's see if it goes away if i kill opera
13:15 <wrtlprnft> indeed, it did go away
13:15 <philippeqc> in a small burst of sound ;)
13:15 <wrtlprnft> played like 1 second of the intro music and then arma died :)
13:15 <philippeqc> yes
13:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: arma won't exit if it can't play sound, can you fix this?
13:16 <wrtlprnft> now, let's see what happens if i restart opera :S
13:16 <wrtlprnft> i need it
13:16 <wrtlprnft> the actual zone destructor only gets called after the round ends
13:17 <wrtlprnft> so the zone is still lurking around, just net rendering itself
13:17 <wrtlprnft> *not
13:17 <wrtlprnft> the minimap is just reading the zone's data
13:18 <philippeqc> yes, but I move the zone to -150 -150 when they are not in use (latest version), so it should not pollute the minimap
13:19 <wrtlprnft> that's where it appears to me
13:19 <wrtlprnft> but it gets rendered too
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13:27  * spidey yawns
13:28 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!!!!!!!
13:28 <wrtlprnft> YAY
13:28 <wrtlprnft> YIPPPEEEEE!
13:28 <philippeqc> what?
13:28 <wrtlprnft> sec
13:28 <wrtlprnft> you'll see
13:28 <philippeqc> now I get the same visual as you reported
13:29 <wrtlprnft> be patient
13:30 <spidey> lol
13:31 <philippeqc> well, I'll be patient and go back to pulling the wallpaper here
13:31 <philippeqc> see you at next break
13:31 <spidey> lol
13:31 <wrtlprnft> wait just 60 seconds
13:31 <philippeqc> ok
13:32 <wrtlprnft> committing
13:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5821 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Zones that are removed from the game won't show up on the minimap anymore
13:32 <wrtlprnft> :D
13:32 <philippeqc> but they arent removed, they are MOVED
13:32 <wrtlprnft> now the map should show the same as the real rendering
13:32 <wrtlprnft> that's the shot issue
13:32 <philippeqc> ok
13:33 <wrtlprnft> well, a zone at (-150, -150) SHOULD still be visible, right?
13:33 <philippeqc> first they where at -50 -50, when I updated the map, I put them to -150 -150
13:33 <wrtlprnft> just make it completely transparent
13:34 <philippeqc> will have to add "affect zone color" to the list of effects
13:34 <philippeqc> they should have a disabled state instead
13:34 <philippeqc> on an open field (no wall) there is no safe location to put them to
13:35 <wrtlprnft> or make them very small?
13:35 <philippeqc> you could still hit them by luck
13:36 <wrtlprnft> or just remove them from the clients and make new ones later?
13:36 <philippeqc> huuuuu, complex to code, but yeah
13:36 <wrtlprnft> that's the clean solution
13:37 <philippeqc> I REALLY just want to make the system public for now, and start getting ideas and suggestion from everybody, rather than fine tuning some parts.
13:38 <philippeqc> ;)
13:38 <philippeqc> but you are like me, and that means that I've kept on fixing stuff for a few days while most people would have gone public ;)
13:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:39 <philippeqc> like the double fortress, they didnt fall back according to their value when nobody was inside them
13:40 <wrtlprnft> they do now?
13:40 <philippeqc> nooooooo
13:40  * wrtlprnft adds an obvious but maybe stupid suggestion: couldn't they move smoothly?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> instead of jumping
13:41 <philippeqc> it will need a major change of the general structure (if I go with the idea I have right now). But if I'm to get my hands back in there, I'd prefer to have other input so I can do 1 big change rather than many medium big correction
13:41 <philippeqc> yes, its called tValue ;)
13:41 <wrtlprnft> ah, true
13:41 <wrtlprnft> or tCode, as luke-jr_ prefers
13:41 <philippeqc> tWhatEva
13:42 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just use gTehSuck aka gltron?
13:42 <philippeqc> hummm, do you have a parser now, or still nothing
13:43 <wrtlprnft> i don't have anything, luke-jr_ made a branch with his stuff
13:43 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, i'm supposed to be looking at it
13:43 <philippeqc> sad, I would have liked to start hacking in some tX in it, and just be sure I call the "parser" even if it only accept const for now
13:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah, the code looks pretty good, i hope it will support different data types
13:46 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do your own. when both are ready, we pick the best parts of each solutions
13:46 <wrtlprnft> probably not that soon
13:47 <philippeqc> not even a k1 + k2*x ?
13:47 <philippeqc> that is all I need to make the zone move like you described
13:47 <wrtlprnft> i know
13:47 <philippeqc> darn
13:48 <wrtlprnft> actually it shouldn't be that much
13:48 <wrtlprnft> keep bugging me, maybe I'll get somewhere until the end of the week
13:48 <wrtlprnft> still too hot to do anything serious methinks
13:48  * wrtlprnft loves lame excuses
13:49 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you need to stand up for your own and do your own thing
13:49  * philippeqc give the example of how much I let Louven stop me.
13:49 <wrtlprnft> I'll do something this evening when it's cooler, promised
13:50 <DrJoeTron> finished my backround :D
13:50 <philippeqc> link DrJoeTron 
13:50 <philippeqc> link, DrJoeTron 
13:51 <spidey> hahah
13:51 <spidey> i get 15 ffps in tron
13:51 <spidey> ;x
13:51 <spidey> pluss my texxt lagss
13:51 <spidey> soo i ddouble lettters sometimes
13:52 <spidey> i'mma restart x,brb
13:52 <DrJoeTron> i took advantage of a bombing and put giant robots in it
13:52 <DrJoeTron> the pic is small and blurred up as a wall paper
13:52 <DrJoeTron> so i gotta make a new one
13:52 <DrJoeTron> www.w-w-c.net/misc/robore.gif
13:54 <DrJoeTron> its realy hard finding pics of mass hysteria or explosions and disasters
13:54 <spidey>  06:54:15 up 15:45,  1 user,  load average: 2.83, 3.88, 3.49
13:54 <spidey> gr
13:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing
13:55 <spidey> ok,i'maa format bbl
13:55 <wrtlprnft> even my server is higher now
13:55 <spidey> well
13:55 <spidey> your server isn't getitng system lag is it? 
13:55 <spidey> or xorg isn't using 50%-70+% of the cpu cycle
13:55 <philippeqc> focus
13:56 <wrtlprnft> my server isn't running x11
13:57 <DrJoeTron> why am i not suprised that when i type in terrorist attacks i get the WTC
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14:08  * Lizz pokes ppl to see if anyones awake
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14:10 <Nixda494> first time here
14:10 <Nixda494> using wrtl's invitation
14:10 <Nixda494> checking out how it is possible to use this for the ladle
14:10 <Nixda494> though i am not sure how it works
14:11 <Nixda494> anyone else here?
14:11 <Nixda494> is there another room somewhere?
14:14 <Nixda494> nope?
14:14 <Nixda494> oh well
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14:17 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif made another one XD
14:17 <DrJoeTron> this is too fun
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14:17 <Nixda345> boo
14:18 <DrJoeTron> making robots taking over the world is so fun
14:18 <Nixda345> hehhe
14:18 <Nixda345> um... hi
14:18 <DrJoeTron> hey nix
14:18 <Nixda345> this is 2020
14:18 <DrJoeTron> erm
14:18 <DrJoeTron> 2020
14:18 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif
14:18 <Nixda345> using wrtl's preset
14:18 <Nixda345> meaning...?
14:18 <Lizz> hiya 202 :D
14:19 <Lizz> 2020
14:19 <Nixda345> i am trying to get some chatroom thingy for the ladle
14:19 <Nixda345> hi lizz
14:19 <Lizz> <~~~~ wizzee
14:19 <Nixda345> something easy to use
14:19 <Nixda345> aaaah
14:19 <Lizz> :)
14:19 <DrJoeTron> uhm....
14:19 <Nixda345> h:)
14:19 <Nixda345> and wrtl suggested this
14:19 <Nixda345> i have a few questions...
14:19 <Nixda345> do you have a mo...?
14:19 <DrJoeTron> i highly dont consider this user friendly
14:20 <Nixda345> hehehehhe
14:20 <Lizz> joes himself isnt very user friendly tho :P
14:20 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
14:20 <Nixda345> now now
14:20 <Lizz> lmao
14:20 <Nixda345> so... do you have a mo...?
14:20 <Lizz> i luv joe.. he knows that ;)
14:21 <Nixda345> the lobster mafia head honcho
14:21 <Nixda345> anyhooo.... how do i change my nickname?
14:21  * Lizz slaps joe with a smelly shrimp
14:21 <Lizz> type /nick (nme)
14:21 <DrJoeTron>  :D
14:21 <DrJoeTron> nah dont bother
14:22 <DrJoeTron> its not working for some reason
14:22 <Nixda345> 2020
14:22 <Nixda345> hmmm
14:22 <Nixda345> 2020)
14:22 <Nixda345> umm... i typed    /nick
14:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah see
14:22 <Nixda345> and various things after it
14:22 -!- Lizz is now known as grrrrr
14:23 -!- grrrrr is now known as Lizz
14:23 <Lizz> works for me :/
14:23 <Nixda345> that's german to me
14:23 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as JOEBO
14:23 <Nixda345> do i have to write /ihren?
14:23 -!- JOEBO is now known as DrJoeTron
14:23 <Lizz> u have to be registered to do it joe?
14:23 <DrJoeTron> no
14:23 <DrJoeTron> im not registered
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hes doing it wrong
14:24 <Nixda345> i am thanks
14:24 <Nixda345> what do i type then please...
14:24 <DrJoeTron>  "/nick 2020"
14:24 <Lizz>   ya ya
14:24 <Nixda345> just did
14:24 <Nixda345> no change
14:24 <DrJoeTron> do it with passion!
14:24 <Nixda345> promise
14:24 <Nixda345> heheh
14:24 <Lizz> lolol
14:24 <Nixda345> you pulling my probiscus?
14:24  * DrJoeTron does it with passion
14:24 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as Basketball
14:25 <Basketball> see?
14:25 <Lizz> ooooooooooooooo
14:25 <Nixda345> now you are showing off
14:25 -!- Basketball is now known as DrJoeTron
14:25 <DrJoeTron> :D
14:25 <Lizz> maybe coz its numbers
14:25 <DrJoeTron> or just do it on your client
14:25 <Nixda345> i wrote "/nick 2020"
14:25 <DrJoeTron> disconnect
14:25 <Lizz> didnt work for me
14:25 <Nixda345> ok 
14:25 <Lizz> no joe
14:25 <DrJoeTron> and do it there
14:25 <DrJoeTron> why not?
14:25 <Lizz> its the numbers
14:25 -!- Nixda345 is now known as poop
14:25 <poop> i tried poop
14:25 <Lizz> lol
14:25 <DrJoeTron> hehe 
14:25 <poop> but that didn't work e--- aha!
14:25 <poop> hehhe
14:25 <DrJoeTron> type out twenty twenty
14:25 <poop> coolio
14:25 <Lizz> try e2020
14:26 <poop> thangs
14:26 -!- poop is now known as e2020
14:26 <DrJoeTron> or two zero two zero XD
14:26 <e2020> aso it it
14:26 <e2020> ok ok
14:26 <e2020> next step...
14:26 <Lizz> yay 
14:26 <e2020> how can i set up a channel for team captains to use
14:26  * Lizz claps
14:26  * e2020 bows
14:26 <DrJoeTron> erm
14:26  * Lizz laffs
14:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah 2020, i dont think this would be a good place
14:27 <e2020> it would be nice to set up a room just for teamcaptains with some kind of password
14:27 <e2020> wrtl thinks it might be good
14:27 <e2020> why not drjoe?
14:27 <Lizz> <~~~~ is not the person to ask
14:27 <e2020> heheh ok
14:27 <DrJoeTron> well see me, im your average slightly avid computer user
14:27 <e2020> ok...
14:28 <DrJoeTron> i can barely get this working, too many options too many things can go wrong
14:28 <e2020> hehehhehahha ok
14:28 <DrJoeTron> which equal a thousand questions
14:28 <e2020> that's why i was wanting something even a fool like me could use...
14:28 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
14:28 <DrJoeTron> why not create a message board
14:28 <DrJoeTron> most message boards carry a chat room function
14:28 <Lizz> wrt can help u.. so can luci an spider and heaps of others
14:29 <e2020> they can... i know.... how can i find them...?
14:29 <DrJoeTron> www.google.com :p
14:29 <e2020> hehe ok ok
14:29 <DrJoeTron> haha jk ill look some up
14:29 <Lizz> prolly asleep
14:29 <e2020> btw guys... why aren't you up for the ladle event this weekend?
14:29 <Lizz> coz
14:30 <e2020> ah... that explains it then...
14:30 <Lizz> lol
14:30 <Lizz> u kno i wont play 20
14:30 <e2020> don't see why not... but cool
14:31 <e2020> you are not a fortress addict are you
14:31 <e2020> anyhoo... i will return sometime soon
14:31 <e2020> perhaps find the others
14:31 <Lizz> umm not with a 400+ping no
14:31 <e2020> hehhe no
14:31 <Lizz> ;)
14:31 <e2020> we need an australian server
14:32 <DrJoeTron> i'll be asleep
14:32 <e2020> so... unless you guys have anything more to say... which might help....
14:32 <e2020> ah
14:32 <e2020> pity
14:32 <Lizz> yes we do.. and there is one.. no one plays tho.. they dont like playing with a 200 ping >.<
14:32 <DrJoeTron> nah im content with it
14:32 <e2020> well
14:32 <e2020> i think you should set up your team to play on it and challenge another team to play there...
14:32 <e2020> like home game and away games...
14:32 <e2020> gtg...
14:32 <e2020> thanks for help
14:33 <Lizz> cya tc 20
14:33 <e2020> you guys ar elovely
14:33 <Lizz> lol
14:33 <e2020> guys-girls.. .you know what i mean...
14:33 <Lizz> lol bye
14:33 <e2020> thanks again and see you on the grid...
14:34 <DrJoeTron> tata
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14:35 <DrJoeTron> oh 2020
14:35 <DrJoeTron> he so' carazy
14:35 <spidey> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz Video: Default Monitor on (1280x1024x32bpp 1Hz) Sound: Primary Sound Capture Driver Memory: Used: 119/376MB Uptime: 5m 20s HD: [C:] 64.39/111.75 GB [F:] 11.21/12.72 GB Connection: ADMtek AN983 based ethernet adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 0.02MB Sent: 0.01MB)
14:35 <DrJoeTron> i was trying to find him stuff
14:35 <spidey> formatted lx
14:35 <DrJoeTron> thats yours?
14:35 <DrJoeTron> how do you do that :p
14:36 <spidey> heavily modded mirc client
14:36  * spidey --||/|/|/|
14:36  * spidey --|------|
14:36  * spidey --|--(o)(o)
14:36  * spidey --C-------)
14:36  * spidey --|---/__|--Dont have a cow man!
14:36  * spidey --|----/
14:36  * spidey -/-----|
14:36 <spidey> ;D
14:36 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
14:36 <DrJoeTron> weirdy
14:36 <Lizz> cute
14:36  * spidey drops a toilet on Lizz and p00p falls out of it!
14:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif watcha think spidey
14:37  * Lizz pukes on spider
14:37  * DrJoeTron eats the puke
14:37 <spidey> ?
14:37 <Lizz> O.O
14:37  * spidey  Hiya Lizz ! .. I think you're incredibly sexy.
14:37  * spidey  How've you been?  What a wonderful bod you have!
14:37  * spidey  Great to see ya!  I want you NOW!! ...
14:37  * spidey  Take care, now!!  Bark like a dog for me Baby!!
14:37  * spidey  Pull w/mouse! => *  {Just kidding!!}
14:38 <Lizz> LOL 
14:38 <Lizz> thats funny :D
14:38 <spidey> lol
14:38 <spidey> * {Just kidding!!}
14:38 <spidey> [05:38] ( Lizz ) -LOL
14:38 <spidey> er
14:38 <spidey> for some odd reason
14:38 <Lizz> barks like a dog
14:38 <spidey> everything everyone says starts with a "-"
14:38 <spidey> :/
14:39 <spidey> now when i get home i'ma make a 30gig ext2 partition
14:39 <spidey> and pick a new distro
14:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey my plane came in :D
14:41 <DrJoeTron> wanna fly it?
14:41 <DrJoeTron> too bad!
14:41 <spidey> cool
14:41 <spidey> now send it to me
14:41 <spidey> or i'll call your grandma and tell on you
14:41  * DrJoeTron no's
14:41 <DrJoeTron> my grandma is in the hospital :/
14:41 <spidey> wtf
14:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so it is true?
14:41 <spidey> something's messed up
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is a female person in here? :o
14:42 <Lizz> ya ya
14:42 <DrJoeTron> oh man
14:42 <DrJoeTron> we better ask her out
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> j/k
14:42 <Lizz> joe has always been female didnt u kno?
14:42 <spidey> strange
14:42 <spidey> i thought [Xpert]DarkStar was the female
14:42 <DrJoeTron>  (*) (*)
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: i like you :D
14:42 <Lizz> lol dark
14:44  * Lizz throws another smelly shrimp in joes direction
14:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lolol
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14:44 <DrJoeTron> RUH ROH
14:44 <Lizz> wb 2020
14:45 <Lizz> spider
14:45 <Lizz> help 2020
14:45 <DrJoeTron> yes?
14:45 <spidey> CAUTION DrJoeTron IS HERE!! CAUTION
14:45 <spidey> and is probably stealing your popups!
14:45 <spidey> Hit Alt F4 to lock your Names list!!!
14:45 <spidey> ;x
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and your virgin daughters
14:45 <Lizz> lol
14:45 <spidey> lol
14:45 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
14:45 <Lizz> im safe then :D
14:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: why do you think you are safe?
14:46 <Lizz> coz im no virgin
14:46 <DrJoeTron> ignorance is bliss 
14:46 <spidey> help 2020 with?
14:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: ah i c
14:46 <Lizz> room stuff spider
14:46 <DrJoeTron> he wants to set fire to a building
14:46 <spidey> .....
14:46 <DrJoeTron> and eat ants
14:46 <Nixda327> hello
14:46 <spidey> hi
14:46 <DrJoeTron> we felt you were qualified for the job
14:47 <DrJoeTron> you fire starting ant eater you
14:47 <spidey> DrJoeTron no that's damien
14:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:47 <Lizz> lol poor damo
14:47 <spidey> he blows stuff on purpose
14:48 <spidey> i blow stuff up trying to fix something that's not broke
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14:48 <spidey> ;x
14:48 <DrJoeTron> you dumb dora!
14:48 <groundpig> hi all - think i fixed the soccer ball out of grid problem
14:48 <spidey> cool
14:48 <Lizz> hi GP
14:48 <Nixda327> It's more like air hockey
14:49 <groundpig> true, more like air hockey
14:49 <spidey> someone should get a recording of that instant death bug
14:49 <spidey> everytime i record it never happens
14:49 <groundpig> that always kills me
14:49 <groundpig> always
14:50 <spidey> ya it killed me and mom like 2 outta 3 rounds
14:50 <spidey> heh
14:50 <Nixda327> bye
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14:50 <Lizz> cya 2020
14:50 <Lizz> :(
14:50 <spidey> hmm
14:50 <groundpig> can someone try to send the ball outside grid?
14:51 <DrJoeTron> yes
14:51 <spidey> sure,i gotta reinstall tron though
14:53  * Lizz throws nuts at darkstar coz she can
14:56 <spidey> it's a good thing i backed that namepicker thing up to my webserver
14:56 <spidey> O.o
14:58 <spidey> um
14:58 <spidey> tron crashed when i loaded my cockpitfile
14:58 <spidey> O.o
14:58 <Lizz> :P
14:59 <spidey> heh
14:59 <spidey> it did it again
15:00 <spidey> hmmm
15:01 <spidey> ok
15:01 <spidey> so
15:01 <spidey> it crashes when you try to load anycockpit
15:01  * Lizz giggles at arac
15:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft
15:06 <DrJoeTron> ko
15:06 <DrJoeTron> tron loves to crash
15:08 <Compn1> is there a place to download custom cameras?
15:08 <Compn1> :)
15:08 <Compn1> or even a list of settings for good custom cams?
15:10 <spidey> hm
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15:11 <spidey_> oop
15:12 -!- spidey_ [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit]
15:12 -!- spidey is now known as spidey_
15:12 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
15:12 <spidey> i love psybnc
15:12 <spidey> lx
15:12 <spidey> ;x
15:12 <Compn1> heh
15:13 <spidey> -Welcome- psyBNC2.3.2-4
15:13 <spidey> --psyBNC- Your IRC Client did not support a password. Please type /QUOTE PASS yourpassword to connect.
15:13 <spidey> ;x
15:16 <Compn1> ya /quote pass spideycantplaytron
15:16 <Compn1> ;p
15:16 <spidey> spidey owns kamakazi
15:16 <spidey> bish
15:16 <DrJoeTron> alright il be back
15:17 <spidey> if i wasn't playing with 12-17 fps and tron didn't crash when i tried to load my cockpit,i'd say i would prove you wrong
15:17 <Compn1> lol
15:17 <Compn1> spidey : where is your cockpit at, can i try it ?
15:17 <spidey> i'll have to upload it
15:18 <spidey> sec
15:19 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test4.xml
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15:20 <spidey> actually that don't work
15:20 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/spidey/
15:20 <spidey> rightclick test4.xml and save target as
15:20 <Compn1> spidey : i use wget ;p
15:21 <spidey> oh
15:21 <Compn1> wget for windows :)
15:21 <spidey> heh
15:22 <Compn1> how do you load a cockpit?
15:22 <Compn1> console says nothing about load or cockpit
15:22 <spidey> copy it to resource\included
15:22 <spidey> then open tron
15:22 <spidey> console key
15:22 <spidey> cockpit_file test4.xml
15:23 <Compn1> command cockpit_file unknown
15:24 <Compn1> do i need .3?
15:24 <spidey> yes
15:24 <spidey> but don't get it
15:24 <spidey> if you try to load a cockpit file it crashes,wait for wrtlprnft to fix it :p
15:24 <Compn1> hehe
15:24 <Compn1> crashes on linux?
15:24 <Compn1> maybe no crash on win ;p
15:24 <spidey> i'm on windows
15:24 <Compn1> aj
15:25 <spidey> i formatted
15:25 <spidey> gonna make a 30gig nix partition when i get home from testing today
15:28  * spidey already misses kcalc
15:28 <spidey> :<
15:29 <wrtlprnft> wassup?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> glad 2020 found his way here
15:29 <spidey> wrtlprnft, .3 crashes when loading a cockpit
15:30 <wrtlprnft> which cockpit.
15:30 <spidey> mine,any of the others i tried
15:30 <Compn1> wrtlprnft : http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test4.xml
15:30 <spidey> ya that one
15:31  * Compn1 guesses spidey just missed an xml tag ;p
15:31 <spidey> no?
15:31 <spidey> Compn1, it works fine on the release before last
15:31 <spidey> so i didn't miss it :)
15:32 <wrtlprnft> second, currently reading the forums
15:32 <spidey> weird
15:32 <spidey> my last test in math doesn't have a self test
15:33  * spidey wonders what they're gonna do to see fi i passed it
15:33 <spidey> O.o
15:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6511 <-- I'll pass that over to you, who wrote it
15:36 <wrtlprnft> doesn't crash for me, but i get very weird effects
15:36 <spidey> >.<
15:36 <wrtlprnft> probably something about the order it's rendered in
15:36 <spidey> maybe only the windows version crashes?
15:36 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec, I'll give you a screenshot
15:37 <wrtlprnft> and, can you please upload your stuff to the resource repository? It's soooo much easier for me to work with it
15:37 <spidey> :/
15:37 <spidey> don't have a account
15:37 <wrtlprnft> i need a more efficient screenshot upload script, really
15:37 <wrtlprnft> spidey: get one
15:37 <wrtlprnft> PM luke-jr_ 
15:38 <spidey> luke-jr_, smells
15:38 <Lizz> like shrimps
15:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey, does more
15:38 <spidey> lol
15:38 <spidey> but
15:38 <spidey> wrtlprnft, smells like cow ass
15:38 <spidey> ;D
15:38 <Lizz> uve sniffed a cows ass to be able to tell??? o.O
15:38 <spidey> >.<
15:38 <Lizz> meh
15:38  * wrtlprnft sprays cow dung into spidey's face
15:39 <spidey> O.o
15:39  * spidey hides behind madmax|pt 
15:39  * wrtlprnft showers both
15:39 <spidey> lol
15:39 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=409
15:39 <wrtlprnft> the last one
15:39 <madmax|pt> doh
15:39 <spidey> -O.o
15:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=409 <-- the first two are for you, but they're a bit old
15:39 <madmax|pt> don't hide behind me 
15:39 <spidey> is that cause of my cockpit
15:40 <spidey> or the client?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> probably a bug in the client that gets triggered by the cockpit ;)
15:40 <Lizz> max?? spider goes around smelling cows bottoms :/
15:40 <Compn1> wrtlprnft : what cockpit do you use?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> Compn1: wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
15:40 <wrtlprnft> uses all the latest bells and whistles available
15:41 <wrtlprnft> try cockpit keys 1 and 2
15:41 <spidey> hmm
15:42 <spidey> i'ma fail science
15:42 <spidey> >.<
15:42  * wrtlprnft loves how he can just stick spidey
15:42 <spidey> i think,lemme go averge my hrades
15:42 <spidey> stick spidey?
15:42 <wrtlprnft> 's badly named file into resource/proto and it gets sorted automatically
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and I don't even have to worry about accidently committing something I don't want
15:42 <spidey> why would you stick me?
15:43 <madmax|pt> omg Lizz 
15:43 <Lizz> ?
15:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you have to read them together
15:43 <cusco> dudes
15:44 <wrtlprnft> i just pressed return instead of ' accidently
15:44 <cusco> I was just comenentig with madmax|pt 
15:44 <Lizz> hiya cus
15:44  * wrtlprnft loves how he can just stick spidey's badly named file into resource/proto and it gets sorted automatically
15:44 <cusco> it says 8pm GMT
15:44 <cusco> gmt is london hour
15:44 <cusco> right
15:44  * Lizz says its 11 44pm AU time
15:44 <wrtlprnft> that's in 6 hours 15 minutes
15:44 <wrtlprnft> no
15:44 <cusco> for instance madrid is on GMT + 1
15:44 <madmax|pt> nooo not this talk again
15:44 <wrtlprnft> gmt is london hour, winter time
15:44 <madmax|pt> lol
15:44 <madmax|pt> yea
15:45 <wrtlprnft> just add 6 hours 15 minutes to whatever your local time is
15:45 <madmax|pt> in summer london, lisbon and stuff are GM+1 cause of daylight savings time
15:45 <spidey> hahahah
15:46 <spidey> i'm gonna have a 55 in science
15:46 <spidey> :<
15:46 <madmax|pt> lol
15:46 <Lizz> heh
15:46 <Lizz> noooooooooob spider
15:46 <cusco> are hmm ok
15:47 <spidey> 79 in math O.o
15:47 <spidey> i'ma pass everything but science
15:47 <spidey> and i'll have 5 0's
15:47 <spidey> no
15:47 <spidey> 4
15:48 <Lizz> not bad for a noob i guess
15:48 <spidey> because today ends this year and i didn't finish 4 books
15:48 <spidey> so i get 0s in them
15:48 <spidey> i'll have a 100 in history ;D
15:48 <spidey> <3 hostory
15:49 <Lizz> better do better in english :/
15:49 <spidey> sad, my strong subjects are
15:49 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:49 <wrtlprnft> somehow all those lines point to the bot
15:49 <wrtlprnft> on my screen
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15:49 <spidey> history > math > science > 
15:49 <spidey> and i did better in english than math
15:49 <spidey> :/
15:50 <Lizz> cant tell :P
15:50 <spidey> psh
15:50 <Lizz> heh
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15:50 <wrtlprnft> physics > math > everything else
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
15:50 <spidey> well
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how can phys > math
15:50 <spidey> my strongest subject is
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
15:50 <spidey> beat [Xpert]DarkStar in the head 
15:50 <spidey> i get 105 in it
15:51 <wrtlprnft> everything else is way greater than history
15:51 <spidey> no
15:51 <wrtlprnft> but maybe the patriotic bs they do in american history is fun
15:51 <spidey> i lsited my strong subject first
15:51 <spidey> not really,we had a ugly teacher 
15:51 <spidey> so i wasn't staren at her all the time
15:51 <wrtlprnft> oh no
15:51 <spidey> = better grades
15:51 <wrtlprnft> it's gradients that screw up
15:52 <spidey> but my english teacher
15:52 <spidey> omg was she fine
15:52 <spidey> ;x
15:52 <wrtlprnft> no it isn't
15:52 <spidey> ?
15:53 <wrtlprnft> wasn't gradients
15:53 <spidey> #dict gradients
15:53 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "gradients" could be found.
15:53 <Compn> spidey : you are growing up at the right time
15:53 <spidey> ?
15:53 <Compn> when i was a kid all teachers were ugly as hell
15:53 <spidey> hahah
15:53 <Compn> now there are fine teachers screwing kids
15:53 <wrtlprnft>                 <Gradient orientation="vertical">
15:53 <spidey> oh
15:53 <Compn> mary kay latournou! whoo
15:53 <spidey> no
15:53 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:54 <spidey> her name was mrs kerry
15:54 <spidey> and she was =P~
15:54 <Lizz> her name was ho wasnt it ?? >.<
15:54 <spidey> my science teacher was some old ass woman
15:54 <spidey> fun part
15:54 <spidey> my english teacher was also my pe coach
15:54  * Lizz cant imagine teaching spider and having the hots for him :/
15:54 <spidey> =P~
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my chem teacher is cool, always screwing up experiments and almost blowing out the windows of the room
15:55 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, we're not talking about guys :D
15:55 <spidey> that's your personal buisness ;x
15:56 <Lizz> LOL
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my bio teacher is a woman
15:56  * Lizz smacks spider for dark
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sorta strange...
15:56  * [Xpert]DarkStar ducks
15:56  * Lizz quacks
15:56 <spidey> #bomb Lizz 
15:56  * [Xpert]DarkStar stabs Lizz in the face
15:56 <spidey> haha
15:57 <madmax|pt> that's sick
15:57 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, you'll never get a woman like that ;x
15:57 <Lizz> gee.. so much for me smacking spider for ya :/
15:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
15:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet irc while stressed is not good for me
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause i misread that
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i thought you had smacked me for spidey 0o
15:58 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, only if your name is [Xpert]DarkStar
15:58 <Lizz> O.o
15:58 <spidey> deja_vu
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and spidey
15:58 <Lizz> nuts
15:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why get a woman when i have one?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no wonder, my friend, why your cockpit won't work
15:59 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, your name is spidey?
15:59 <spidey> cool,mine is to
15:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, why?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> you aren't specifying minimums and maximums for some gauges
15:59 <spidey> so?
15:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: i _misread_ it, OK?
15:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, it always worked before no problem
15:59  * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps spidey with windows me
15:59 <wrtlprnft>             <DataSet>
15:59 <wrtlprnft>                 <AtomicData field="source" source="player_speed" />
16:00 <wrtlprnft>             </DataSet>
16:00 <wrtlprnft> this can never have worked
16:00 <spidey> yes....
16:00 <spidey> it can to
16:00 <spidey> it did
16:00 <wrtlprnft> at least not in a meaningful way
16:00 <spidey> exaplin this
16:00 <spidey> it worked on the other releases of .3
16:00 <spidey> the newest one it crashes
16:00 <wrtlprnft> did it ever display horizontal gauges?
16:01 <spidey> no?
16:01 <wrtlprnft> well
16:01 <spidey> only vertical
16:01 <wrtlprnft> your cockpit file contains horizontal gauges
16:01 <spidey> yes
16:01 <spidey> and no
16:01 <wrtlprnft> it does contain them
16:01 <spidey> 'er
16:01 <spidey> ok
16:01 <wrtlprnft> there's probably some undefined behaviour triggered I have to fix
16:01 <spidey> !
16:01 <spidey> wait
16:01 <wrtlprnft> so some small code change influenced this
16:02 <spidey> the horizontal are for the output
16:02 <philippeqc> back
16:02 <wrtlprnft> what output?
16:02 <spidey> like you know you can't center the output?
16:02 <spidey> like ruber usage = 10
16:02 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:02 <spidey> or w/e
16:02 <spidey> i made a horizontal guage without a background and put it over the vertical
16:02 <spidey> and centered it
16:02 <wrtlprnft> well
16:03 <wrtlprnft> let me check something
16:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft, no excuse you tried this same cockpit before
16:03 <spidey> remember?
16:03 <spidey> it worked fine
16:03 <spidey> because you gave me a screenshot
16:03 <wrtlprnft> may be
16:04 <wrtlprnft> but it was never supported behaviour like that
16:04 <wrtlprnft> give it a min and max
16:04 <wrtlprnft> and a __truely__ transparent BG (solid with alpha="0")
16:04 <wrtlprnft> and it should work
16:04 <spidey> it doesn't have a background at all
16:04 <spidey> it's like the speed guage
16:05 <wrtlprnft> no background == white background
16:05 <spidey> no
16:05 <wrtlprnft> YES
16:05 <spidey> i just removed gradient and the other thing
16:05 <wrtlprnft> no min/max = undefined behaviour
16:05 <spidey> = no guage
16:05 <spidey> >.<
16:05 <spidey> i give up
16:05 <wrtlprnft> so, previously it rendered nothing
16:05 <spidey> i'll download the release it worked on and use it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> because if it had rendered it would have been white
16:06 <spidey> exactly
16:06 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:06 <spidey> it was only a text
16:06 <spidey> no background
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 1) give it a completely transparent fore/background
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 2) give it a min and max
16:06 <spidey> 3) i give up
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 3) set ShowMin, ShowMax and friends to false
16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you won't understand, won't you?
16:07 <spidey> i understand,but i don't understand how that's the problem
16:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it is a problem
16:08 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> spidey: you won't understand, won't you?  << make that make sense first >.<
16:08 <wrtlprnft> a gauge without min or max doesn't make sense
16:08 <spidey> it's
16:08 <spidey> not
16:08 <spidey> a
16:08 <spidey> guage
16:08 <wrtlprnft> arma should have thrown an error while parsing and refuse to use the file
16:09 <spidey> it didn't
16:09 <wrtlprnft> but it didn't, so some random bug made it happen to work the way you wanted
16:09 <wrtlprnft> you
16:09 <wrtlprnft> arte
16:09 <wrtlprnft> *are
16:09 <wrtlprnft> defining
16:09 <wrtlprnft> the
16:09 <wrtlprnft> thing
16:09 <wrtlprnft> as
16:09 <wrtlprnft> a
16:09 <wrtlprnft>     <BarGauge camera="all">
16:09 <spidey> >.<
16:11 <spidey> ok
16:11 <spidey> lets try this
16:11 <spidey> hold on
16:12 <wrtlprnft> other method
16:12 <wrtlprnft> don't worry about back/foregrounds
16:12 <wrtlprnft> just set min and max and change the height to 0
16:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99633
16:13 <wrtlprnft> that works
16:14 <wrtlprnft> change all your gauges that way and let me fix the bug that caused all of this in the first place
16:17 <wrtlprnft> ah, btw, the bug was caused by an uncaught division by 0
16:18 <wrtlprnft> all of min, max, and value default to 0
16:18 <wrtlprnft> and it checked and aborted if min was > max
16:18 <wrtlprnft> but not if they were equeal
16:18 <wrtlprnft> so (value - min) / (max-min) is a division by 0
16:20 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5822 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cGauges.cpp: Fixed division by 0 if the minimum and maximum for a gauge are the same (or not defined in the cockpit, in which case they'll default to 0)
16:20 <wrtlprnft> :D
16:20 <spidey> weeeeee
16:20 <spidey> errrr*
16:20 <spidey> parse error :<
16:20 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:21 <wrtlprnft> when parsing what?
16:21 <spidey>      <VerticalBarGauge camera="all">
16:21 <spidey> it says the ">" 
16:21 <wrtlprnft> full error message?
16:21 <spidey> sec
16:21 <wrtlprnft> feel free to paste it into my bin
16:23 <spidey> must be that time of day
16:23 <spidey> my connection = shitty
16:23 <spidey> :<
16:23 <spidey> http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8016/untitledzr0.jpg
16:27 <wrtlprnft> you sure you pasted everything?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> ie, what's the line before that?
16:29 <spidey> yes....
16:29 <wrtlprnft> ...
16:30 <wrtlprnft> i asked, what is the line before that?
16:30 <spidey> my barguages all look like that
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the first non- blank line
16:30 <spidey>      </BarGauge>
16:30 <wrtlprnft> can you just paste the whole thing?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/new.php
16:30 <spidey> the whole cockpit?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:31 <wrtlprnft> got it
16:31 <spidey> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99651
16:31 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:31 <wrtlprnft> there's a "Rescent Posts" thing :)
16:31 <spidey> oh
16:31  * Lizz waves goodnight.... smacks spider... and runs off to bed
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16:32 <spidey> :/
16:33 <wrtlprnft> parses just fine for me
16:33 <spidey> er!
16:33 <spidey> yes,i changed something before posting
16:33 <spidey> not sure what,i just copied that guage from the backup i got of it
16:33 <spidey> does it look right now?
16:33 <spidey> or still weird
16:34 <wrtlprnft> looks fine
16:34 <spidey> well
16:34 <spidey> that one crashes tron it
16:34 <spidey> :/
16:34 <wrtlprnft> just change the height of the other 2 gauges to 0
16:34 <spidey> if it looks fine for you,why does it still crash tron for me?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99657
16:35 <wrtlprnft> that's what works for me
16:36 <spidey> i get 2 more parser errors with that one
16:37 <wrtlprnft> parser errors... weird
16:37 <spidey> aahhah
16:37 <spidey> nvm
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:38 <spidey> somereason when i copied it it only copied from "</background>" of the first vertical guage down
16:38 <wrtlprnft> well
16:38 <wrtlprnft> that's an explanation ;)
16:39 <spidey> ok
16:39 <spidey> i got it
16:39 <spidey> but...
16:39 <spidey> crash
16:40 <spidey> could it only be the windows version doing it?
16:40 <spidey> Compn
16:41 <wrtlprnft> weird
16:41 <wrtlprnft> do you have a debugger?
16:41 <spidey> no
16:41 <spidey> i just installed windows :p
16:41 <spidey> i can get one, will ollydb do?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:42 <spidey> oh yea
16:42 <spidey> nvm,heh
16:43 <wrtlprnft> as long as it can print stack traces, yes
16:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, does it crash on game start or when you enter the game?
16:43 <spidey> dunno
16:43 <spidey> didn't try that
16:43 <spidey> only tried loading it while the game was started
16:43 <spidey> sec
16:44 <spidey> ok
16:44 <spidey> yes it does
16:44 <wrtlprnft> when does it crash?
16:46 <spidey> when i enter a game
16:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:47 <wrtlprnft> need a debugger
16:49  * deja_vu slaps spidey with a bug O.o
16:49 <spidey> deja_vu, 
16:49 <deja_vu> spidey: 
16:49 <deja_vu> the HL-wars :O
16:55  * wrtlprnft slaps deja_vu with spidey 
16:55 <spidey> O.o
16:55  * wrtlprnft stabs spidey with deja_vu 
16:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft, olly won't extract and i can't find a signle debugger for windows
16:55 <spidey> just articles and stuff on them
16:56 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5823 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/ (cGauges.cpp cGauges.h): Improved handling of captions for VerticalBarGauges, they now get displayed under or above the whole gauge. This should make ugly constructs with BarGauges without actual data to center the caption unnecessary.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> spidey: gdb should exist for windows
16:57  * deja_vu slaps spidey with debug.exe
16:58 <wrtlprnft> http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/
16:58 <spidey> i don't see a .exe there :p
16:59 <wrtlprnft> > GDB can run on most popular UNIX and Microsoft Windows variants.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> dunno where it is
17:02 <spidey> hmm
17:02 <spidey> guay
17:02 <spidey> it's not on that site,it's on another one
17:02 <spidey> http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml
17:03 <spidey> ok
17:03 <spidey> now how i use this? O.o
17:04 <wrtlprnft> http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_toc.html
17:04 <wrtlprnft> call it on the command line with the .exe as parameter
17:04 <wrtlprnft> then type run<return>
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and when it crashes (better not in fullscreen) go back to the gdb window
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and type bt<enter>
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and give me the results of that
17:07 <spidey> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
17:07 <spidey> 0x5ed39e5a in _libwinmm_a_iname ()
17:07 <spidey> that?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> ok
17:08 <wrtlprnft> now type bt
17:09 <spidey> (gdb) bt
17:09 <spidey> No stack.
17:09 <spidey> oh
17:09 <spidey> wait
17:12 <spidey> it wont' go outta fullscreen :/
17:13 <spidey> (gdb) bt
17:13 <spidey> #0  0x5ed39e5a in _libwinmm_a_iname ()
17:13 <spidey> Cannot access memory at address 0x10089a20
17:13 <spidey> there that it?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> what a weird crash
17:13 <wrtlprnft> can't use that, that's not a real backtrace
17:14 <spidey> >.<
17:14 <wrtlprnft> _libwinmm_a_iname is some weird windows function i have no clue about
17:14 <wrtlprnft> can you just comment out parts to see what triggers the crash?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> like, first comment out the first half and see if it still crashes
17:15 <wrtlprnft> something has to be special about your cockpit if others don't crash
17:15 <wrtlprnft> or ask joda next time you see him, I'm sure he'll be able to debug
17:15 <spidey> got it
17:15 <spidey> gimme link to pastebin
17:17 <spidey> nvm
17:17 <spidey> here's what's causing it
17:17 <spidey>     <BarGauge camera="all">
17:17 <spidey>             <DataSet>
17:17 <spidey>                 <AtomicData field="source" source="player_speed" />
17:17 <spidey>             </DataSet>
17:17 <spidey>             <Position x="-0.070" y="-.88" />
17:17 <spidey>             <Size height="0.05" width="0.15" />
17:17 <spidey>             <ShowCurrent value="true" />
17:17 <spidey>             <ShowMaximum value="true" />
17:17 <spidey>             <ShowMinimum value="true" />
17:17 <spidey>             <Caption location="bottom">
17:17 <spidey>                 <Text value="Speed" />
17:17 <spidey>             </Caption>
17:17 <spidey>      </BarGauge>
17:17 <spidey>  
17:17 <spidey>  
17:17 <spidey> i take that out it runs fine
17:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:19 <wrtlprnft> you are still missing the max and min!
17:20 <wrtlprnft> which will be fixed in 3.1, as you can see from the log messages
17:20 <wrtlprnft> fixed in the sense that it won't crash
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17:22 <spidey> i got the stock
17:22 <spidey> it's huge though
17:27 <spidey> anyways
17:28 <spidey> i fixed it
17:28 <spidey> now i just gotta install my onboard graphics drives so i go back to 80+ fps ;x
17:31 <spidey> arg
17:31 <spidey> bbl,gotta test >.<
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17:39 <luke-jr_> Linux c7x0 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 5 18:11:34 CEST 2006 armv5tel unknown
17:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: ever thought of a "Bugfarm Rubber" server? ;)
17:42 <wrtlprnft> or about disabling chat colors on all BF servers
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17:48 <philippeqc> all: posted a very bad description of the new zone system on the forums. Have a blast
17:48 <wrtlprnft> what was v1?
17:48 <philippeqc> I'll be back to pelling the wallpaper, but I'll come back soon, so feel free to leave me message with my name in it.
17:48 <philippeqc> v1 was what you knew from before
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> if we already have a type named triad, when will we have types named mafia and similar things?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or mafioso
17:58 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: wow, nice work, nice work. If that all works it might justifying releasing 3.1 real soon for people to be able to test it IMHO
18:06 <Compn> wow
18:07 <Compn> soccorsty is fun
18:07 <Compn> er soccersty
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's not the point of philippeqc's server
18:08 <wrtlprnft> or zone model
18:09 <Compn> say what?
18:12 <Compn> its nice bouncy zones
18:12 <Compn> maybe more fun with short trails that can bounce the 'ball' too
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19:14 <H_A_K> hi
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell these people that there's no point if they just enter, say hi, and leave again?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> hi
19:23  * Lucifer_arma left the game.
19:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> 5 rubber means it will stop you for the time you'd need to cross 5 grid units, right?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> if it's not affected by crazy rubber settings and walls from the future
19:29  * Lucifer_arma left team Blue.
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> hi!
19:29  * Lucifer_arma has joined team Red.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetron is hanging!
19:31 <wrtlprnft> if anyone wants a backtrace of that hang: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99798
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19:35 <z-man> wrtlprnft: that could be the multithreading stuff, any other threads active?
19:36 <z-man> and yes, your rubber description is correct.
19:37 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: the worst bit about yesterday's ordeal is that I didn't get to use my "Achtung, Wand!" instantchat on you :(
19:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man: how do i find out?
19:50 <z-man> I don't know
19:50 <wrtlprnft> magic wand or wall?
19:50 <z-man> wall
19:50 <wrtlprnft> thought so
19:50 <wrtlprnft> magic wand would be fun too
19:50 <z-man> Yeah, that wouldn't even make sense :)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> well
19:51 <wrtlprnft> you might interpret wall as using some super- secret backdoor in arma to lag Lucifer_arma out
19:51 <wrtlprnft> *might interptet WAND
19:52 <z-man> The backdoor we forgot to build in?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> kinda, yeah
19:53 <wrtlprnft> so, what about that developer tournament idea? My idea for a prize was that we get some nice image of a medal/trophy with the names of the winners on it and put it on the title screen for one version we release
19:54 <wrtlprnft> and we might make it some triathlon kinda thing: BF Fortress settings, sumo, and classic last team standing (need to decide on the settings for this one)
19:55 <z-man> If we run the tournament, it would be tiger's team, I'd say.
19:55 <wrtlprnft> including the old version that server runs?
19:55  * z-man likes the title screen idea.
19:55 <z-man> Why not?
19:55 <z-man> As long as an admin is present who can kick players.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> team messages?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> maybe patch the server up with those things?
19:57 <wrtlprnft> so the engine is still the old version
19:57 <z-man> Well, teams would need to use code messages :)
19:57 <z-man> "Arse on fire!"
19:57 <z-man> "Bully in the bed!"
19:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm, makes sense too
19:57 <wrtlprnft> and, if we use luke-jr_'s server for sumo, guru3's server for tiger- style, and your server for fortress we can work around the lag problem
19:58 <z-man> work around == evenly distribute?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:58 <wrtlprnft> hopefully the australians won't complain
19:59 <wrtlprnft> I'd offer my server too, of course, but it only hosts about 10 players
19:59 <guru3> eh?
19:59 <z-man> I wouldn't mind an autstralian server if there was one
19:59 <wrtlprnft> assuming the admins of the servers agree, that is
19:59 <z-man> of course
19:59 <wrtlprnft> because guru3 said "eh?"
20:00 <guru3> i mean
20:00 <guru3> what are we using my server for?
20:01 <z-man> We'd need to limit the team size then. Big teams could build specialized sections.
20:01 <wrtlprnft> we might have separate brackets on all server settings and then somehow let the winners compete in some way
20:01 <z-man> guru3: we're plotting the next ITW
20:01 <wrtlprnft> and big teams don't fit on the title screen very well
20:01 <wrtlprnft> don't call it ITW
20:01 <z-man> hehe
20:02  * z-man was just looking for a short description
20:02 <wrtlprnft> maybe something with "official" in it?
20:02 <z-man> Nah, luke would like that.
20:02 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:03 <wrtlprnft> "official resource repository C efficiency competition"?
20:03 <wrtlprnft> hmm, any real suggestions?
20:04 <z-man> I was thinking DTT, Developers' Tron Tournament
20:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma? luke-jr_? guru3? philippeqc?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> sounds good to me
20:04 <z-man> but it could be confused with a tournament FOR developers
20:04 <wrtlprnft> i think the name isn't really that important anyways
20:04 <z-man> Lucifer_arma would probably transform it to DDT :)
20:04 <wrtlprnft> it's more important to have good management, fair rules etc
20:05 <z-man> rules at all would help :)
20:05 <wrtlprnft> and of course the admins need to vote for it, at least for the title screen thing and having "developer" in the name
20:06 <z-man> No problem with that here so far.
20:06 <wrtlprnft> I'll wait to see what Lucifer_arma or anyone else has to say, then I'l, start a draft wiki page with rules (ie no registrations yet)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> how would team sumo work?
20:09 <z-man> Like fortress, but the zones are big, in the middle of the arena and slowly shrink
20:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:09 <wrtlprnft> I have another approach, give me some time to make a map and start a server
20:09 <z-man> what makes sumo sumo, IMHO, is the fact that enemies don't conquer the zone.
20:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:14 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spawn
20:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_FIRST_SPAWN_PROTECTION: Set to 1 if the invulnerability and wall delay should already be active on the initial spawn at the beginning of a round. || SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 750/2
20:21 <armabot> 750 / 2 = 375
20:21  * wrtlprnft feels like spidey 
20:22 <wrtlprnft> how precise is a float, how many decimal digits approximately?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what is SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE measured in? It isn't grid units
20:34 <z-man> it isn't?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> no
20:34 <wrtlprnft> if i set it to 150 the teammates are waaaay more than 150 grid units apart
20:35 <wrtlprnft>     loc=location * gArena::SizeMultiplier() - dir.Turn(sg_spawnBack,-d*sg_spawnSide) * away * gCycle::SpeedMultiplier();
20:35 <wrtlprnft> that's what's in the code, but I don't get i
20:35 <wrtlprnft> t
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20:36 <z-man> Ah, it's scaled up with the cylce speed multiplier
20:36 <wrtlprnft> what is that?
20:36 <z-man> so the formation gets wider when you tune up the speed
20:36 <z-man> similar to the arena size factor
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20:36 <z-man> you can make it 1 by setting, let me dig, ....
20:37 <z-man> SPEED_FACTOR 0
20:37 <z-man> and SP_SPEED_FACTOR 0
20:37 <wrtlprnft> thanks
20:37 <z-man> It's also the speed setting in the game menu.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> SIZE_FACTOR screwed me up as well
20:38 <z-man> Are you trying to place player pairs into individual zones?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> yep
20:38 <wrtlprnft> almost done with the map
20:38 <wrtlprnft> I'll put up a server in a minute
20:38 <z-man> cool
20:39 <wrtlprnft> just a few flaws I can't change
20:39 <wrtlprnft> but they should be workable with
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20:41 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig x_pe
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:41 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig max_per
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig per_team
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_1: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_2: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_3: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_4: The favorite number of players per team for this player
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig ess_max
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:42 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig _max_
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_MAX_REFCOUNT: Maximum allowed reference count on cycles before they self destruct. This setting is to protect against performance related DOS attacks. || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_rubber_max_override_help || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_MAX_KPH: Maximal value of the kicks per hour; larger values are smoothly clamped. || SP_TEAM_MAX_IMBALANCE: Maximum allowed team (1 more message)
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #more
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: imbalance in single player mode || SP_TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS: Maximum number of players per team in single player mode || TEAM_MAX_IMBALANCE: Maximum allowed team imbalance || TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS: Maximum number of players per team
20:42 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:42 <wrtlprnft> FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM isn't documented
20:43 <z-man> No, it's a hack
20:44 <wrtlprnft> how about a -v option to --doc that lists undocumented settings as well?
20:44 <wrtlprnft> better undocumented than not at all
20:45 <z-man> Well, most of them require you to really read the paragraphs in SETTINGS_CFG
20:45 <z-man> ah, you mean, just so you know the option exists?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:45 <wrtlprnft> its name
20:46 <z-man> should be doable
20:46  * luke-jr_ is working on a tournament style that has 'home' vs 'away' teams
20:47 <luke-jr_> if we can get servers in all the major continents, we can host where the home team chooses
20:47 <luke-jr_> so far I was just thinking home team chooses game mode and logic
20:47 <z-man> I think the game mode and logic should be for the tournament organizers to choose
20:48 <z-man> Or they should at least offer a bunch of pre-tuned settings to choose from.
20:48 <spidey> yay ;x
20:48 <luke-jr_> maybe
20:48 <luke-jr_> lots of possibilities]
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig DEATH_
20:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DEATH_SHOT: death_shot_help
20:49 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig DEATHZOne
20:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SCORE_DEATHZONE: Amount of points you get for hitting the Death Zone
20:50 <z-man> Pig has a soccer server?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:50 <luke-jr_> I also wrote an object that give me stats for various possibilities of optional-entry-fee
20:51 <Compn1> lets go play soccer
20:51 <z-man> It's full :(
20:51 <Compn1> doh
20:51 <Compn1> wow pigsty fortress
20:51 <Compn1> awesome
20:51 <Vanhayes_> I could try to kick someone but it probly wouldnt pass
20:52 <Vanhayes_> someone left
20:52 <Compn1> Vanhayes : how is it? i played vs bots but i didnt see scores or anything
20:52 <Vanhayes_> someone left
20:52 <spidey> i had a pigsty fortress, they said it was stupid :(
20:52 <luke-jr_> I didn't
20:52 <Vanhayes_> heh it was more pointless than stupid
20:52 <spidey> no but everyone else did :p
20:53 <spidey> pointless/redundant = stupid :p
20:53 <Vanhayes_> well when u can shoot the gaolie....
20:53 <spidey> now,i'ma install my gfx drivers so i can play with 80+ fps instead of 12
20:53 <Vanhayes_> another person left if somone wants in
20:54 <spidey> oh
20:54 <spidey> i won't fail science ;D
20:54 <spidey> she extended my time,i get 3 weeks to do 3 60 page books lx
20:54 <spidey> ;x
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20:57 <wrtlprnft> aww
20:57 <wrtlprnft> i just screwed something up
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20:57 <spidey_> grrr
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21:00 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: BUG with your resource uploader
21:00 <wrtlprnft> won't accept empty categories
21:00 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft//teamsumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml
21:01  * wrtlprnft considers putting his map somewhere else
21:01 <wrtlprnft> my server could be up and running already
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21:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no, they're not... but an empty category is
21:11 <wrtlprnft> sure they are
21:11 <luke-jr_> an empty category should be only 1 /
21:13 -!- spidey is now known as spidey_
21:13 <spidey_> ok
21:13 <spidey_> er
21:13 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
21:13 <spidey> ok
21:13 <spidey> now i play tron with nice fps ;D
21:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5824 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Handle empty category attributes
21:13 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
21:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: double / are disallowed to ensure there is only ONE valid filepath per resource
21:13 <luke-jr_> try now
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i already set up my own repository
21:14 <luke-jr_> try anyway?
21:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, another problem :<
21:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: luke-jr_: spidey: wanna join my server for testing?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> it's called team fortress
21:21 <spidey> sure if you tell me something :p
21:22 <wrtlprnft> it's not ready yet anyways
21:22 <spidey> i only see team sumo test server
21:22 <wrtlprnft> that's it, but wait
21:23 <spidey> i can't get in anyways
21:23 <spidey> upgrade needed
21:23 <wrtlprnft> !
21:23  * spidey notes he's on the latest release
21:23 <spidey> :p
21:24 <spidey> hey,how do i set a transparent backgrou nd?
21:24 <spidey> it's white now
21:24 <spidey> :<
21:24 <luke-jr_> background for what
21:24 <wrtlprnft> just a solid color with alpha="0"?
21:24 <spidey> guage
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or set the height to 0
21:25 <wrtlprnft> [0] Setting CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM (Group: Bumpy) deviates from its default value; clients older than will not be allowed in.
21:25 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> cycle_accel_team is old...
21:25 <luke-jr_> news to me
21:25 <spidey> try
21:25 <spidey> wait
21:25 <spidey> how does arma show configs?
21:25 <spidey> #armaconfig
21:25 <armabot> spidey: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
21:25 <spidey> mm
21:26 <spidey> ok
21:26 <luke-jr_> lol
21:26 <spidey> #armaconfig cycle_accel_team_override
21:26 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM differs from its default?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i KNOW
21:26 <spidey> :p
21:26 <wrtlprnft> but it shouldn't block out anyone
21:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM
21:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM is newer than last I checked
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and why is it set to 1.5?!
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do that
21:28 <luke-jr_> no?
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21:31 <wrtlprnft> i still don't get how zones are distributed to teams
21:31 <wrtlprnft> the zones pick the closest team, right?
21:32 <Compn> the zones dont change color until a team enters it?
21:32 <Compn> like diamond sumo?
21:32 <spidey> man
21:32 <Compn> ;p
21:32 <spidey> my speed thing is broke :<
21:32 <Compn> lol
21:33 <philippeqc> back
21:34 <philippeqc> back
21:34 <philippeqc> oups
21:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you know the old zone model?
21:37 <spidey> #last --from wrtlprnft --with pastebin
21:37 <wrtlprnft> the zone looks for the closest team spawn point, right?
21:37 <armabot> spidey: [12:32:16] <wrtlprnft> if anyone wants a backtrace of that hang: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99798
21:37 <spidey> er
21:38 <spidey> wrtlprnft, what was the link to my cockpit?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> go to that page that armabot told you
21:38 <wrtlprnft> look at the rescent posts
21:38 <wrtlprnft> *recent
21:39 <philippeqc> yes
21:39 <philippeqc> yes they took the closest
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that map I made works perfectly on my client, but the zones get assigned pretty randomly on the server
21:39 <wrtlprnft> come to my server
21:39 <wrtlprnft> team sumo test
21:40 <philippeqc> ok
21:40 <philippeqc> crashed
21:41 <wrtlprnft> client?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> the server kept running
21:42 <wrtlprnft> leave me the sec, I'll update the map
21:42 <philippeqc> yes
21:42 <philippeqc> Playcontinuous: Cycle motor effect
21:42 <philippeqc> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:42 <wrtlprnft> my client doesn't crash
21:43 <philippeqc> just updated to head of trunk
21:43 <wrtlprnft> let me check
21:43 <philippeqc> ok
21:43 <z-man> Won't there be a chain reaction if you let the sumo zones kill the closest player of the owning team?
21:43 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: z-man cheat by puting the zones just a bit off center, so one IS closer to another player.
21:44 <wrtlprnft> i did
21:44 <z-man> no, not any more. On regular sumo, the max_zones_per_team handle that
21:44 <wrtlprnft> z-man: won't work in this case
21:44 <z-man> right
21:44 <wrtlprnft> let me update my client
21:45 <wrtlprnft> that might be my zone fix
21:45 <wrtlprnft> mine wasn't up to date yet
21:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: does normal fortress crash it?
21:46 <philippeqc> let me check, I dont user trunk often
21:47 <philippeqc> yes
21:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that's my fault then, sorry
21:47 <wrtlprnft> fix is on the way
21:48 <philippeqc> ok
21:48 <wrtlprnft> I only checked the change i made on pig sty
21:48 <philippeqc> ok
21:49 <philippeqc> I dont know what to code
21:49 <philippeqc> I mean I have a TODO list for zone, but its all medium to big changes, and I'd like to get feedback before I do anymore big work
21:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i might implement the sumo thing with your concept
21:50 <groundpig> wrtlprnft: just curious, what change did you make to your pig sty?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> but it's a pain without the team stuff
21:50 <philippeqc> that would be good, it could put more test on it
21:50 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: you mean the race server?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or US Sty?
21:50 <groundpig> whichever you just mentioned
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i talked about a sumo thingy
21:51 <groundpig> <wrtlprnft> I only checked the change i made on pig sty
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i was fixing the HUD map
21:51 <wrtlprnft> or trying to
21:51 <groundpig> ah ok, just curious
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and i only checked it on pig sty
21:52 <wrtlprnft> while on fortress and sumo the client crashes if the map is enabled
21:54 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:54 <wrtlprnft> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
21:54 <wrtlprnft> vertex size confusion -142579444 -142579456
21:54 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad: intel_batchbuffer.c:184: intel_flush_inline_primitive: Assertion `intel->batch.space >= 0' failed.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> zsh: abort      ~/troncvs/bin/armagetronad
21:54 <wrtlprnft> i don't think that's me
22:01 <philippeqc> I'm tired, 
22:01 <philippeqc> goodnight
22:01 <wrtlprnft> :S
22:01 <philippeqc> #night
22:01 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
22:01 <wrtlprnft> night
22:01 <philippeqc> cya 2morrow
22:02 <philippeqc> I should have more free time ;)
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22:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5825 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Baically reverted my last fix, it crashes with very weird symptoms for no reason I can see.
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22:05 <wrtlprnft> :S
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22:07 <wrtlprnft> I'll have to look more closely at this at some later point in time
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22:45 <Lackadaisical> hey
22:45 <Lackadaisical> wtf they didnt let us play with one more!
22:47 <Vanhayes> ?
22:47 <Lackadaisical> on the itw
22:47 <Lackadaisical> we played against usa
22:47 <Lackadaisical> and they had 5 people show up, and we had 5 too
22:47 <Lackadaisical> and then a sixth guy comes, and he is on our team
22:47 <Lackadaisical> but dez didnt let him play
22:48 <Lackadaisical> because the teams wouldn't been even if he joined
22:48 <Vanhayes> heh that might be my fault
22:48 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
22:48 <Vanhayes> I made a few suggestions after a 7-4 match yesturday
22:49 <Lackadaisical> well then your match should definatly be replayed
22:49 <Vanhayes> not sure anyone is left who would actually play again
22:50 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, and Lucifer_arma are protesting it I think
22:50 <Vanhayes> btw did you guys win Lackadaisical ?
22:50 <Lackadaisical> no
22:50 <Vanhayes> was it close?
22:51 <Lackadaisical> we lost 100-50, 100-50, 100-90
22:51 <Lackadaisical> last one was close
22:51 <spidey> Vanhayes, i won't allow a tournment like that on one of my servers :p
22:51 <spidey> not that allow being outnumbered by 2+
22:51 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/germany-nafta.php those are our scores
22:52 <Vanhayes> well I think ady-lucifer had a grudge against NAFTA
22:52 <Lackadaisical> hehe, yeah i read about that conspiracy :)
22:52 <spidey> his fault he said it was possible for a large team to split in 2
22:52 <spidey> our team was legit by his rules
22:52 <spidey> so fuck 'em ;D
22:53 <Vanhayes> heh he even said countrys with not enough people could team up so me and wrtl were allowed there too
22:53 <spidey> yea
22:53  * spidey points to last comment
22:53 <Lackadaisical> cool, individual scores, i think i have most points in every match :)
22:54 <spidey> although outnumbered
22:54 <spidey> we held it pretty good
22:54 <spidey> ;D
22:55 <Vanhayes> me and you did pretty good in matches 4 and 5 where they started out with 7 and we had 2
22:56 <Lackadaisical> :D
23:00 <Vanhayes> weird... 0.3 works fine again
23:00 <spidey> ya
23:01 <Lackadaisical> guru3: xevi told me he sent an email to links@armagetronad.net to add a link to www.crazy-tronners.com but he "don't see it working :s"
23:01 <guru3> i have to get the email
23:01 <guru3> and add it
23:02 <guru3> when did he send the email?
23:02 <Lackadaisical> yeah thats what i thought
23:02 <guru3> raid 0
23:02 <Lackadaisical> i don't know, but he sent me a pm yesterday
23:02 <guru3> is stripping right?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> screw the ITW
23:03 <spidey> hahaha
23:03 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: see it from the bright side: you don't have to play another match on this server
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23:04 <Lackadaisical> hehe :) i slid a few times but it wasnt that bad for me
23:04 <spidey> he didn't mean lag wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> server admin wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> rule wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> server setting wise (no rubber induced wall shrinkage)
23:05 <Vanhayes_> wrtlprnft: is team sumo test server yours?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:05 <spidey> tis ok though,U.S. can probably outnumber them
23:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes_: sec, i'm coming
23:06 <Vanhayes_> it says I need an upgrade
23:06 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:06 <wrtlprnft> again?
23:06 <Vanhayes_> yup, and this is with the .3
23:07 <spidey> same for me
23:07 <wrtlprnft> ok, fixed, i hope
23:07 <spidey> no
23:07 <spidey> still says it
23:08 <spidey> Lackadaisical, you playing in the ladle?
23:08 <Lackadaisical> maybe
23:08 <spidey> if  you do you should play for ws :p
23:09 <Lackadaisical> heh, yeah, i was thinking about that seeing you are kind of the underdog
23:09 <spidey> ;D
23:09 <Lackadaisical> but you already have 8 players, compared to aw which only has 4 or smth
23:09 <spidey> we're 1 short
23:09 <spidey> eclipse won't make it
23:10 <wrtlprnft> try again...
23:10 <spidey> hmm
23:10 <spidey> taking forever to poll
23:10 <spidey> O.o
23:11 <spidey> server does not answer
23:11 <spidey> Lackadaisical, we have 8 yes,but only contact with 5 members :p
23:11 <spidey> so we dunno if the others will be there :/
23:12 <spidey> and i haven't seen dook in a bit :/
23:12 <Lackadaisical> i'll think about it k?
23:13 <spidey> :D
23:13 <spidey> Lackadaisical, come to wrtls server
23:13 <Lackadaisical> i won't be able to make any of those practices though :)
23:13 <spidey> np,it's more teampractice,but you already know how to play with a team :)
23:13 <groundpig> anyone want to play soccer?
23:14 <Compn>  lol
23:14 <spidey> count me in!
23:14 <Compn> sure
23:19 <groundpig> scoring working :B)
23:19 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes: our scores are up: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/usa-alliance1.php
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23:22 <Lizz> :) hi guys
23:22 <Lackadaisical> hi
23:24  * [Xpert]DarkStar has a problem
23:24  * [Xpert]DarkStar needs a hostname for a sun ultra 10
23:26 <DrJoeTron> YO
23:34 <groundpig> Hi Joe
23:34 <groundpig> soccer game in progress
23:35 <Lizz> sun ultra 10 sounds like a planet :/
23:35  * Lizz goes to her dumb corner
23:43 <Vanhayes_> pig has nets nowsun ultra 10 sounds more like a sun to me
23:43 <Vanhayes_> er
23:43 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
23:43 <Vanhayes> sun ultra 10 sounds more like a sun to me**
23:59 <Lizz> no sun here.. foggy
23:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!

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