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Log from 2006-07-24:
--- Day changed Mon Jul 24 2006
00:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft wants me to do it in pure C++ tho :(
00:00 <luke-jr_> which means I can't use structs and unions for ASTs :/
00:00 <luke-jr_> and using classes is looking like a lot more work/code
00:01 <luke-jr_> because then I need to cast crap all over
00:02 <groundpig> z-man: Hi!  question for you, do you know if eNetGameObjects that are removed from the game list are still synced?
00:03 <z-man> Yes, they are.
00:03 <z-man> As long as they're not completely deleted, you can still sync them.
00:04 <luke-jr_> z-man: is there any way to do a class-switch?
00:04 <z-man> Virtual functions?
00:04 <groundpig> i ask, because i added zone to wall interactions so that i could stop zones from going through walls
00:04 <groundpig> and on a client you can still see the zone exist for some time after going through the wall
00:04 <luke-jr_> z-man: like repetitive 'tSubClass x = dynamic_cast<y>; if (x) ...'
00:05 <luke-jr_> but written similar to 'switch(y) case tSubClass x: ...'
00:06 <z-man> groundpig: hmm, there may be references lingering around on the client, or maybe the zone needs to self-destruct on the client manually. Don't know really.
00:07 <z-man> luke-jr_: there's no way to do it like that
00:07 <luke-jr_> grr :(
00:07 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft would kill me if I used a #define...
00:07 <luke-jr_> pretty sure of that
00:07 <z-man> but if you look for the "visitor pattern", that provides you with something along that line
00:07 <z-man> not only wrtl :)
00:07 <luke-jr_> eh?
00:07 <luke-jr_> what's a "visitor pattern"?
00:08 <z-man> the visitor pattern is a smart way to use virtual functions to avoid excessive dynamic_casts.
00:08 <z-man> Just google, the fist hit looks good already.
00:08 <luke-jr_> #c++ are suggesting templates
00:09 <groundpig> z-man: ok thanks.  i think you're right about the client side
00:09 <z-man> groundpig: just let them "collapse" so they turn invisible :) maybe that deletes them, too.
00:10 <z-man> luke-jr_: they just said that to get rid of you :)
00:10 <groundpig> z-man: i tried that...  it doesn't actually delete them.  i'm wondering if the sync just isn't happening soon enough
00:10 <z-man> to understand what you'd need to do with templates, you first have to understand what you'd do without them.
00:11 <z-man> Just as with macros.
00:11 <groundpig> z-man: do you know off hand how soon the sync gets sent to the client after RequestSync() is called?
00:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: well, I know enough to do it w/ macros... =p
00:11 <z-man> Usually before the next frame.
00:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: are dynamic casts expensive? how about this visitor pattern stuff?
00:12  * luke-jr_ considers just using struct/union anyway
00:12 <z-man> Dynamic casts can be very expensive
00:12 <z-man> sorry, /me has to prepare for bed now
00:12 <groundpig> z-man: thanks for the info - cya
00:13 <luke-jr_> we can't be using expensive casts, now can we? =p
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> ~$4500 to go to a flight school in Georgetown, which is only 5 minutes away
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> now that's not bad.  $3.80/gallon for gas
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950/70
00:40 <armabot> 950 / 70 = 13.5714286
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> 13.5 nm/gal, heh
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 13.5 nautical miles in miles
00:41 <armabot> 13.5 nautical miles = 15.5355225 miles
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 15.5355225 * 70 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 15.5355225 * 70 * 3.80 = 4,132.44898
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, that's not right
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 70 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 70 * 3.80 = 266
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, $266 to fill the tank, then
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 93 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 93 * 3.80 = 353.4
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> $353 to fill the optional 93 gallon tank ;)
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01:18 <Compn> whats new in pigsty with the update groundpig?
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950/266
01:20 <armabot> 950 / 266 = 3.57142857
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950 nautical miles in miles
01:20 <armabot> 950 nautical miles = 1,093.24048 miles
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1093.24/266
01:21 <armabot> 1,093.24 / 266 = 4.10992481
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's not right
01:21 <groundpig> Compn: just added wall interactions with the zones
01:21 <groundpig> Compn: currently, shots don't go through walls anymore (wall walls, not cycle walls)
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops.  That's miles/dollar and I want dollars/mile
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 266/1093.24
01:22 <armabot> 266 / 1,093.24 = 0.243313454
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> much better, a quarter a mile
01:22 <Compn> coolio
01:22 <groundpig> so now that that is working, i can put in shots bouncing off walls
01:27 <Compn> groundpig
01:27 <Compn> groundpig : in pacman map, we need a roaming gold death zone
01:27 <Compn> or even roaming blue,red,yellow,white deahtzones
01:27 <Compn> like in real pacman
01:27 <groundpig> a good idea, but not in my current list of projects
01:27 <Compn> hehehe
01:27 <Compn> o well
01:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:38 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, apparently you need a range around 1400 nautical miles to cross the atlantic from Canada -> Azores
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> Azores are an island system off the coast of Spain, right?
01:40 <spidey> #g 8pm gmt in cdt
01:40 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:40 <spidey> :/
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> 3pm cdt, isn't it?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> half a million for a top of the line cessna prop plane
01:45 <Vanhayes> #g 1400 nautical miles in k
01:45 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:45 <Vanhayes> #g 1400 nautical miles in kilometres
01:45 <armabot> 1,400 nautical miles = 2,592.8 kilometers
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> $326k for their bottom of the line 4 seater
01:46 <Vanhayes> why do you want a plane?
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> because flying is cool?
01:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, then you can come pick me up,then fly to canada and harrass Vanhayes 
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> cessna's bottom of the line 2 seater comes in round $172k
01:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Vanhayes wrtlprnft , whoever else we got a itw match against germany at 8pm gmt O.o
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01:47 <Vanhayes> er tomorrow
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, isn't that over, then?
01:48 <spidey> noi?
01:48 <Vanhayes> it isnt the 24th yet spidey 
01:48 <spidey> the 24th///
01:48 <spidey> ...
01:48 <spidey> yes i know that
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01:48 <spidey> Germany vs NAFTA - Monday 24 july 8 pm gmt - (post result here)
01:49 <spidey> best of 5? O.o
01:49 <Compn> nice
01:49 <Compn> WS has a practice tonight
01:49 <Vanhayes> btw Im still having problems so Im probly either not gonna play or if you need 5 ill just show upo and screw around
01:49 <spidey> bah
01:49 <spidey> i was gonna goto sleep for another 6 hours
01:49 <spidey> :<
01:49 <spidey> lol
01:50 <spidey> well
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see any 2-seater pipers
01:50 <spidey> i have no idea who knojf is
01:50 <Compn> knojf = rain?
01:50 <Vanhayes> yes
01:50 <spidey> mmm
01:51 <Vanhayes> hmm antone seen ~*SP*~ leeroy lately, or ever?
01:51 <Vanhayes> anyone*
01:52 <madmax|pt> lol...
01:52 <Vanhayes> cause I'm pretty sure Leeroy=psyko
01:53 <Compn> lol
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> looks like used is the way to go for planes
01:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, buy me one
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> get a job
01:53 <spidey> lol
01:54 <spidey> i'm getting a job,but i still would have asked you to buy me one!
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> buy your own damn plane
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> look, here's what's important.  :)
01:55 <spidey> lmao
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> You can buy a 2-seater used cessna for the price of a reasonably-priced new compact car
01:55 <Compn> rather have a boat
01:55 <Compn> you can live in a boat
01:55 <spidey> $175 isn't a compact car :p
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> You can get a 4-seater used plane (cessna or piper) for the price of a reasonably-priced mid-sized car
01:55 <Compn> and sail to new places
01:55 <Compn> A BOAT
01:56 <Compn> cant live in an airplane and you gotta have runways
01:56 <Compn> maybe a heliocopter....
01:56 <Compn> but nahhh
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> You can put your plane in a tie-down for about $4/month, or get a hangar for $200/month
01:56 <spidey> compn what if it's stormy and you like are in the middle of the ocean, then it's all like OMG A WAVE! then you're screwed
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you can put up the money to buy two cars, you can probably put up the money instead to buy 1 car and 1 plane
01:56 <Compn> tspidey, omg a wave, lol
01:57 <spidey> ;D
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> flight school in Georgetown starts at $4100, expect to pay more like $5000-$5500
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> Insurance is the only thing I haven't been able to price
01:57 <spidey> flight school? 
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> Gas for a prop plane appears to be about 50 cents->$1/gallon more than car gas
01:58 <Compn> boats run on wind
01:58 <spidey> pull back to go up push down to go down, push that throttle bar forward to go faster bull it back to slow down
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't live on the coast, and neither is the river I live on navigable to the ocean
01:58 <spidey> there i put you through school,give me 5 grand ;D
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> with a boat you can only reach coastal destinations, you still need to get inland somehow
01:58 <Vanhayes> hmm Im gonna get a hover craft, the best of both worlds
01:58 <Compn> inland for what?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> with a plane you can go anywhere
01:59 <Compn> anywhere with 100 ft runway
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, what if you want to go to, say, Denver, CO?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> in a boat?  wtf?
01:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, can you fly to satern?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> *Saturn ?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> not in an airplane
01:59 <spidey> didn't think so,you might wanna by a rocket shuttle ;D
01:59 <Compn> denver? sail the pacific stoopid!
02:00 <spidey> lol
02:03 <spidey> can you add iptables as a normal user?
02:03 <nemostultae> Can't fly across the Atlantic in a cessna
02:04 <madmax|pt> "Vanhayes - cause I'm pretty sure Leeroy=psyko", when i told you that you said leeroy was lack
02:04 <madmax|pt> lol
02:05 <spidey> i always thought he was psyko to
02:05 <Vanhayes> heh well there was an actually leeroy at first and his ping was pretty low
02:06 <Vanhayes> so I thought leeroy=lack since his ping is low too
02:06 <Compn> heh
02:06 <Compn> i'm pwning people in pigsty
02:06 <Compn> damn noobs ;\
02:07 <Vanhayes> hmm how much do you think a space shuttle would cost?
02:07 <Compn> billion to make
02:08 <Compn> 5million to rent from russia
02:08 <Vanhayes> ya, probly more to buy
02:08 <Compn> or20 mil
02:08 <Compn> not sure
02:08 <Vanhayes> think ill wait a couple years untill more space shuttle companys sping up
02:08 <Vanhayes> and I have the money....
02:09 <Compn> gonna be space pirate?
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: you can fly across the atlantic in a cessna, I just read an account from someone who did :)
02:10 <Vanhayes> heh sure, if there is anything to pirate
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> he installed an extra tank, and he made a hop from Canada to the Azores
02:10 <Vanhayes> Other impressive non-stop demonstration flights completed by the Sovereign include Gander in Newfoundland, Canada, to Vienna, Austria; Zurich, Switzerland, to St. Johns in Newfoundland, Canada; and flights from the west coast of the United States to Hawaii and back.
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> Personally I'm looking at taking a northern route through iceland and into ireland as more realistic for a plane without modifications
02:10 <nemostultae> Sounds pretty insane
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> what's the distance from St. Johns to Reykjavic?
02:11 <Vanhayes> says the most impressive non-stop was 2800 nautical miles
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, 1440 nautical miles
02:13 <Vanhayes> whats the distance across the atlantic?
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02:14 <DrJoeTron> herro
02:16 <Vanhayes> hello
02:18 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: Ya i think that info was for cessna jet not airplane
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i would totally buy that plane if i handnt already spent my 30 bucks on that rc plane :p
02:20 <Compn> anyways
02:21 <Compn> you need a license and faa clearance to fly 
02:21 <Compn> a boat needs nothing (in international waters)
02:21 <Vanhayes> wel neither does a plane
02:21 <Compn> just circle over international airspace for hours? :P
02:22 <Vanhayes> heh I didnt say you could land anywhere just that you could fly
02:22 <Compn> lol
02:22 <Vanhayes> though it probly wouldnt be the best idea to try to take off without any training
02:22 <Compn> sounds like you are planning to fly a plane into a building
02:23 <Vanhayes> shh
02:24 <Vanhayes> meh id rather have a sailboat too
02:26 <DrJoeTron> nah man
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fly first thing
02:26 <DrJoeTron> thats the mans way to do it
02:26 <DrJoeTron> HURRR!
02:26 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-21.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
02:26 <Lizz> hi guys
02:26 <DrJoeTron> heya
02:27 <Lizz> hiya joe!!
02:27 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
02:27 <Lizz> wanna strawberry starburst?? lol
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i would, but i cant eat
02:27 <Lizz> ooh?
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i had my tonsils pulled
02:27 <Lizz> OW
02:27 <DrJoeTron> jaa
02:27  * Lizz gives joe strawberry icecream instead
02:28 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:28 <Lizz> ;)
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah i decided to download irc last night finaly
02:28 <Compn> yikes
02:28 <Compn> tonsils?
02:28 <Compn> why?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:28 <Compn> tininitis?
02:28 <Lizz> well i guess having ya tonsils pulled in one way to stop u chitterchatting in ts :P
02:28 <DrJoeTron> cause they were bad
02:29 <DrJoeTron> haha 
02:29 <Lizz> heh
02:29 <DrJoeTron> and then 5 days later, they ruptured
02:29 <Lizz> :/
02:29 <DrJoeTron> so i had to go back into surgery
02:29 <Lizz> ow
02:29 <DrJoeTron> blood everywhere
02:29 <Lizz> :/
02:29 <DrJoeTron> im on liquid vicodin Xp
02:29 <Lizz> whats that?
02:29 <DrJoeTron> and i've lost 15 lbs of weight
02:30 <Lizz> :o
02:30 <DrJoeTron> vicodin is a very powerful pain killer
02:30 <DrJoeTron> its usually in pill form
02:30 <Lizz> morphine based?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> its given to patients and drug abusing celebrities
02:30 <DrJoeTron> i think so
02:30 <Lizz> aah ok
02:30 <DrJoeTron> i think vicodin is its own thing
02:30 <Lizz> o.O
02:31 <DrJoeTron> or based off of kodine
02:31 <Lizz> o ok.. codine is milder
02:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah this is much more powerful
02:31 <Lizz> anyway dosent matter really lol
02:31 <DrJoeTron> codine just makes me ill
02:32 <Lizz> so are u on the mend now?
02:32 <DrJoeTron> aye
02:32 <Lizz> :)
02:32 <DrJoeTron> XD
02:32 <madmax|pt> hi Lizz 
02:33 <madmax|pt> and good night
02:33 <DrJoeTron> ta
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02:33 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: why? didn't they just recently learn that pulling tonsils is a bad thing?
02:33 <DrJoeTron> i want my plane to come in :(
02:34 <DrJoeTron> not in my case
02:34 <DrJoeTron> i had this thing called cryptic tonsil
02:34 <luke-jr_> o
02:34  * Lizz yelss "night maxeeeeeeeee" out the door
02:34 <Lizz> erm.. yells as well 
02:34 <DrJoeTron> i had crevises that formed, and this bacteria grows in it, they form a sulfur deposit
02:34  * luke-jr_ yelss at Lizz 
02:34  * Lizz licks lukes ear
02:35 <Lizz> say that 3 times fast lol
02:35 <DrJoeTron> so i have these really disgusting tasting rank smelling things growing in them
02:35 <Compn> DrJoeTron : crevices? yea i got those
02:35 <Lizz> :/ sounds yummy
02:35 <DrJoeTron> totally
02:35 <Compn> DrJoeTron : then little 'tonsil stones' grow there
02:35 <Compn> ya
02:35 <DrJoeTron> hehe yeah
02:35 <Compn> you had yours yanked?
02:35 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:35 <Compn> those are natural man
02:35 <DrJoeTron> nope
02:36 <Compn> yep
02:36 <DrJoeTron> not very natural
02:36 <DrJoeTron> because i didnt have them untill last year
02:36 <Compn> what doctor do you have?
02:36 <Compn> get a second opinion man
02:36 <Compn> it happens in puberty :D
02:36 <luke-jr_> Compn: too late now =p
02:36 <DrJoeTron> im 19
02:36 <Compn> luke-jr_ : LOL
02:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah man
02:36 <DrJoeTron> plus i had chronic tonsilitis allof my life
02:36 <Compn> DrJoeTron : yes, 19, puberty... 18 when a boy becomes a man? you know?
02:36 <luke-jr_> tho
02:36 <Compn> ah
02:37 <luke-jr_> if he didn't need them pulled, he might be able to sue the doc who told him to =p
02:37 <Compn> ya totally
02:37 <DrJoeTron> i did need them pulled
02:37 <Compn> malpractice
02:37 <Lizz> knows plenty of men older than 18 that are still boys
02:37 <DrJoeTron> because the were swollen
02:37 <Compn> like cant breath swollen?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:37 <Compn> or just larger and painful
02:37 <Compn> ah
02:37 <luke-jr_> sue for malpractise anyway =p
02:37 <luke-jr_> they can't prove they were swolen! =p
02:38 <Compn> lol
02:38 <Compn> poor doctors
02:38 <DrJoeTron> crazy mother fuckers
02:38 <Lizz> 2 L's luke :P
02:38 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah, i should
02:38 <luke-jr_> Lizz: wtf?
02:38 <DrJoeTron> and buy that plane
02:38 <Lizz> in swolen
02:38 <luke-jr_> whatever
02:38 <DrJoeTron> oh its cool, im losing lots of weight
02:38 <Lizz> meh 
02:38 <luke-jr_> Lizz: bloated
02:38 <Compn> losing weight after a surgery?
02:38 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:38 <Lizz> bit like yelss :P
02:38 <Compn> man dont die on us
02:39 <Compn> :D
02:39 <luke-jr_> eh, he doesn't talk here much anyway
02:39 <DrJoeTron> well i cant friggin eat solids
02:39 <luke-jr_> no loss
02:39 <luke-jr_> =p
02:39 <DrJoeTron> so ive lost 15 lbs
02:39 <Lizz> u want me to prick u luke and let all ur air out?
02:40 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: baby food! =p
02:40 <Lizz> lmao
02:40 <Lizz> pureed banana
02:40 <DrJoeTron> pudding and apple sauce
02:40 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:40 <DrJoeTron> i can be like robocop
02:40 <DrJoeTron> he eats babyfood
02:40 <Lizz> heh
02:40 <luke-jr_> except he's fictional =p
02:40 <DrJoeTron> no!
02:40 <DrJoeTron> robocop is real
02:40 <DrJoeTron> i saws him
02:40 <DrJoeTron> at a car show
02:40 <DrJoeTron> :p
02:41 <DrJoeTron> he was signing autographs
02:41 <spidey> joe,aim
02:41 <luke-jr_> joe,jabber
02:41 <spidey> standard im is msn
02:41 <spidey> beeeeeotch ;D
02:41 <luke-jr_> bs
02:41 <DrJoeTron> i use aim and gt
02:41 <luke-jr_> what's your std IM addy joe?
02:42 <luke-jr_> (that's gt)
02:42 <DrJoeTron> <---
02:42 <luke-jr_> @ ?
02:42 <DrJoeTron> gmail
02:42 <luke-jr_> o, gmail prolly
02:42 <DrJoeTron> google talk
02:42 <DrJoeTron> ya
02:48 <DrJoeTron> bbl
02:48 <deja_vu_> heya
02:48 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
02:49 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
02:49 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
02:49 <spidey> deja_vu
02:49 <deja_vu> spidey: Oo
02:49 <spidey> deja_vu, O.o
02:49 <deja_vu> hm..
02:49 <deja_vu> okay :P
02:49 <deja_vu> *.*
02:50  * spidey slaps deja_vu 
02:51  * deja_vu does not slap spidey 
02:51  * spidey throws piggy at deja_vu 
02:52 <deja_vu> there is no piggy O.o
02:52 <spidey> is to
02:52 <spidey> groundpig = piggy
02:52 <deja_vu> well
02:53 <deja_vu> you obviously can't throw a groundpig at me because it's glued to the ground ...
02:53 <spidey> how so?
02:54  * Lizz throws deja a bag of nuts
02:54 <deja_vu> aaand if i use the word "obvious" you are not supposed to ask yet another question :P
02:54 <spidey> but i did ask another question,so what's your answer?
02:54 <deja_vu> spidey: see, nuts on the other hand are quite good things to throw at someone :D
02:54 <deja_vu> hey Lizz =]
02:55 <Lizz> hiya deja :)
02:55  * Lizz wanders off somewhere to annoy other ppl
02:55 <deja_vu> spidey: obviously i don't answer questions you obviously shouldn't ask *.*
02:56 <spidey> but who decides that it's obvious i shouldn't answer them?
02:56 <deja_vu> Lizz: what if we want to be annoyed? :p
02:56 <deja_vu> i do
02:56 <luke-jr_> Can I change "tString tCode::Expr::Null::compile() { ... }" to eg "namespace tCode { namespace Expr { tString Null::compile() { ... } } }"?
02:56 <deja_vu> obviously ^^"
02:56 <spidey> your opinion doesn't count
02:56 <spidey> just like lukes doesn't
02:56 <spidey> ;D
02:57 <deja_vu> >:(
02:57 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: how should we torture him?
02:58 <deja_vu> luke-jr_: anything special you've got on your mind?
02:58  * spidey stabs Lizz 
02:58 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: make him write C++
02:58  * spidey stabs luke-jr_ 
02:58 <deja_vu> :O
02:58  * Lizz waxes spider 8 legs and his groin
02:58 <spidey> O.o
02:58 <luke-jr_> poor Lizz 
02:58 <luke-jr_> lol
02:58  * spidey hides behind deja_vu 
02:58 <Lizz> heh
02:58  * Lizz gives deja nuts if he moves
02:58  * deja_vu holds spidey for Lizz =]
02:59 <Lizz> :D
02:59  * spidey shoots deja_vu and runs
02:59  * Lizz gets out her wax strips
02:59 <deja_vu> uhm.. can i get the nuts anyway? 
02:59 <Lizz> sure ;)
02:59 <deja_vu> spidey: you can't do that :P
02:59 <spidey> i just did ;D
02:59  * Lizz shoots spider with her crossbow
02:59  * luke-jr_ stuns spidey 
02:59 <deja_vu> spidey: you think you did
03:00 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu 
03:00 <deja_vu> yes?
03:00 <Lizz> wow he found the paste function
03:00 <Compn> spidey : we having a practice tonight or what?
03:00 <spidey> Compn, 'uno
03:00 <luke-jr_> quad
03:00 <luke-jr_> Quadrapus!
03:00 <Lizz> 4 pusses?
03:01 <Lizz> :/
03:01 <luke-jr_> no
03:01 <luke-jr_> it's a black spider like thing
03:01 <luke-jr_> with 4 legs
03:01  * Lizz shoots the cat for target practice
03:02 <spidey> mkzelda, ping
03:08 <Lizz> silly FA site >.<
03:09 <Lizz> my nick dosent fit :((
03:31 <Compn> spidey
03:31 <spidey> don't sak
03:31 <spidey> ask
03:31 <Compn> lol
03:31 <Compn> :D
03:31 <Compn> move to zman ladle?
03:31 <spidey> it's back
03:54 <spidey> Vanhayes, ?
03:54 <Vanhayes> spidey?
03:54 <spidey> come to us fortress :
03:54 <spidey> :p
03:54 <Vanhayes> still have that weird problem, cant play
03:54 <spidey> :<
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04:21 <spidey> anjori
04:21 <spidey> decided if you're gonna play in the ladle or not?
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04:22 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how do you get namespace tValue { Base::Base() { ... } } to work in .cpp?
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04:23 <DrJoeTron> eh, im not gonna do ladle
04:23 <DrJoeTron> You Knew!?!?
04:24 <newfie> vaa :P
04:24 <DrJoeTron> :D
04:26 <anjori> spidey: i'm not sure, but to be on the safe side, i should probably say no. 
04:26 <spidey> lol
04:26 <anjori> 2pm. who knows if i'll even be up by then? :P
04:27 <anjori> saturdays are for hangovers and continued alcohol consumption
04:27 <Lizz> hiya anj
04:27 <anjori> hey
04:28 <DrJoeTron> 2pm on a saturday
04:28 <DrJoeTron> thats whacky
04:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah im so not there
04:28 <anjori> looking at the wiki, it doesn't look like the rest of the team will be there, either
04:29 <anjori> can you make it?:  2 yes, 1 no, and the rest "maybe"
04:29 <DrJoeTron> these never work :p
04:29 <DrJoeTron> i think a once a year thing like spoon is the best way to go
04:30 <anjori> oh, not 2pm. it says show up an hour early! so 1pm PDT
04:30 <anjori> which the team page says PST. i hope no one is an hour off ;)
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm installing flightgear
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> what are the chances there's code in flightgear that detects when you crash into buildings and reports you to Homeland Security?
04:50 <newfie> flightgear is too slow on my comp :(
04:51  * anjori would crash into buildings if he knew how to get off of the bloody ground
04:52 <anjori> i would make a horrible terrorist ;)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just printed up the really nice manual so I can read it while I'm trying to get off the ground :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put it in the binder with the openAL manual :)
04:58  * Lucifer_arma thought he was waaay past the dead tree software manual, apparently not.
04:59 <spidey> you're actually buying a plane?
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, we've got some other shit to straighten out first, but we've set it as a goal in the next 5 years or so
05:00 <spidey> O.o
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> we're agreed we want one, and that it'll be affordable, if not in the next couple of years, after I finish college
05:01 <spidey> mmm
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm installing flightgear so I can sooth the itch :)
05:01 <spidey> lmao
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ the manual's big
05:02 <spidey> you got 5 years to read it
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, maybe I can also learn about the planes that are available with flightgear
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> so when the time comes, I'll actually know what we're looking at :)
05:04 <Vanhayes> meh all you have to do in flight gear to get off the ground is hold throttle up untill you have a good speed going then pull up slowly
05:05 <Vanhayes> pretty sure thats a bad way to actually try and fly a real plane though
05:07 <nemostultae> X-plane seemed pretty realistic, and you can fly the space shuttle (I couldn't). It is not free, though.
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> space shuttle's standard feature, afaik, since the flight simulator for the C-64  :)
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, no, nvm
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, flightgear has a space shuttle too
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.flightgear.org/Projects/
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05:10 <Lucifer_arma> we used to have a space shuttle simulator for the C-64 that was a lot of fun, but back then there wasn't anything you could do in orbit besides leave or run out of oxygen
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05:11 <spidey> These enormous moths are often mistaken for humming birds in the early evening sky.
05:11 <spidey> that's a big moth
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> brb, have to login again
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05:12 <Your_mom_arma> anyone else getting errors on the main forum page?
05:13 <luke-jr_> how can I do std::cout << tString?
05:14 <spidey>  #night
05:14 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: ?
05:15 <spidey> mm
05:15 <spidey> #night
05:15 <spidey> !
05:15 <armabot> Good night spidey!
05:15 <nemostultae> Your_mom_arma: the forum is acting weird for me, too
05:15 <DrJoeTron> goodnight!
05:15 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
05:15 <groundpig> Your_mom_arm: soccer is progressing slower than expected
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> :-(
05:16 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: I have a tString
05:16 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: I want to put it on stdout
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05:16 <groundpig> but i do have walls blocking shots
05:16 <groundpig> so thats a start
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05:16 <luke-jr_> groundpig: do Atari Tank =p
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> is it implemented in your server?
05:17 <luke-jr_> hah, Tank would be funny when we get custom models & skins working
05:17 <groundpig> luke-jr_: Atari Tank is almost what i have in my server now :B)
05:17 <groundpig> just started up server again
05:17 <luke-jr_> groundpig: the shots bounce and time out?
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05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*
05:17 <groundpig> sorry, don't know how tank worked
05:17 <groundpig> they bounced?
05:18 <groundpig> when did they stop bouncing?
05:18 <Your_mom_arma> to pigs server
05:18 <luke-jr_> Tank was more or less you drive a tank
05:18 <luke-jr_> and shoot at the other player
05:18 <luke-jr_> shots bounce off rim walls
05:18 <luke-jr_> but shots have limited lifetime
05:18 <DrJoeTron> some times in your server the zombies become unkillable
05:18 <DrJoeTron> the super zombie
05:18 <groundpig> that sounds like a feature joe
05:19 <luke-jr_> so you would need to set a max lifetime on shots
05:19 <groundpig> luke-jr_: sounds do-able
05:19 <luke-jr_> and set their rimwall reaction to bounce
05:19 <DrJoeTron> hehe
05:19 <luke-jr_> and set cycle_speed to 0
05:19 <luke-jr_> and cycle_brake to -10
05:19 <luke-jr_> or maybe more
05:19 <groundpig> i'm working on shots bouncing now, should have within the hour
05:19 <DrJoeTron> sweet deal
05:19 <luke-jr_> you need shots to be 1/3rd the size of the cycle
05:19 <luke-jr_> and no trails
05:19 <Your_mom_arma> walls eat shots now, cant shoot while grinding
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> wow, flight gear has gotten very nice!
05:20 <luke-jr_> then, when we support models, you need a 3x3 pixel tank resized to a 3D model (but still blocky) for cycles
05:20 <luke-jr_> and a square for the shot
05:21 <luke-jr_> then configure a custom server view to be directly overhead, and disable other views
05:21 <luke-jr_> =p
05:24 <luke-jr_> ...
05:24 <luke-jr_> tString to stdout anyone?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> i want my plane :(
05:25 <luke-jr_> *%&#
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: flightgear :)
05:25 <DrJoeTron> flightgear?
05:26 <DrJoeTron> tell me more :D
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> www.flightgear.org ?
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's it
05:26 <DrJoeTron> danka
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.flightgear.org <--- clickable
05:27 <DrJoeTron> ooooh now i remember
05:27 <DrJoeTron> im know
05:27 <DrJoeTron> i*
05:27  * luke-jr_ clicks
05:27 <luke-jr_> (nothing happens)
05:27  * DrJoeTron clicks hard
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, gonna grab a smoke and punch holes in my flightgear manual :)
05:27 <DrJoeTron> i play bf2
05:27 <DrJoeTron> thats what i use for a flight sim
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> i use a piece of paper for a flight sim although its realism isnt that great
05:28 <luke-jr_> lol
05:29 <Compn> no paper airplane sim?
05:30 <luke-jr_> I want a paper airplane sim!
05:30 <luke-jr_> fly my paper airplane all over KS!
05:30 <luke-jr_> lol
05:32 <DrJoeTron> oh man
05:32 <DrJoeTron> remember the paper airplane game for appleII?
05:32 <Compn> there is a paper airplane sim
05:32 <Compn>  i know it
05:32 <DrJoeTron> :)
05:32 <DrJoeTron> compn how ya likin grid wars?
05:32 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: std::cout << tString("blah"); ... ;)
05:38 <Compn> DrJoeTron : havent been playing
05:38 <Compn> google paper airplane siim
05:38  * Compn goes afk
05:50  * DrJoeTron goes to defrag, restart, and come back here later
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> cya
05:50 <DrJoeTron> ta
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05:52 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: thanks, heh I had a tString*
06:10 <luke-jr_> 		tString s(" ");
06:10 <luke-jr_> 		s[0] = this->op();
06:10 <luke-jr_> is that allowed?
06:11 <luke-jr_> or is there a better way to do it?
06:11 <luke-jr_> this->op() is a char
06:20 <Lizz> luke?
06:20 <Lizz> nvm
06:22 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:23 <nemostultae> tString s(op()); ??
06:23 <nemostultae> oh wait
06:24 <nemostultae> no constructor that takes just a char.
06:25 <luke-jr_> yeah :(
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I took off, went to 3k feet, then came down and landed!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> no crashing!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I couldn't seem to get the plane to turn away from east, heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and I had to disable weather....
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07:13 <nemostultae> You got further than me... I couldn't even get the engine to rev up.
07:14 <groundpig> lol
07:14 <groundpig> lots of bouncy things
07:15 <groundpig> anyone want to try pig sty dodge ball?
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> me me
07:20 <groundpig> doh, sorry found a bug
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07:41 <luke-jr_> groundpig: done yet
07:41 <luke-jr_> ?
07:42 <groundpig> no, i suck at vector math
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07:48 <groundpig> ah i think we have a wiener
07:48 <groundpig> starting server now
07:48 <luke-jr_> ?
07:51 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what do you mean?
07:51 <wrtlprnft> it just works
07:51 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I was having problems making it work =p
07:53 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/cplusplus03.html#l44
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> it was fun while it lasted
07:58 <groundpig> it finally went to server heaven
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> its back up
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> couldnt handle it
07:58 <groundpig> i realized after it stopped updating that i left a console print enabled
07:58 <groundpig> i just recompiled and started again without that
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> mabey limit shots
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08:01 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just have non-refilling brakes?
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08:03 <Your_mom_arma> joe go to pigs server
08:06 <DrJoeTron> ko
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08:15 <Your_mom_arma> joda join pig sty
08:15 <Your_mom_arma> heh
08:17  * DrJoeTron afk
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08:29 <Lucifer_arma> whaahhahahahaha  I crashed into a Southwestern Airliner :)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> hey, this flightgear isn't so tough
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I took off from a regular airport with regular weather settings (morning, though), went up to around 5k feet, then turned around, came back,
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> and landed.
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I saw the airliner, so after I stopped, I went back to see how detailed the model was, and then decided to get all terrorist on it and crashed into it
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08:44 <luke-jr_> groundpig: need to check some stuff-- if you shoot on the edge of the rim, the shot starts on the other side-- and goes forever across the screen out of the HUD =p
08:44 <luke-jr_> groundpig: it needs timeouts and single shots =p
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08:56 <wrtlprnft> groundpig, DrJoeTron: wanna try MAP_FILE Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml ?
08:56 <wrtlprnft> that's a circle map :D
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08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> hey guys
08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> can we kick the other joe tron?
08:57 <Your_mom_arma> ?
08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, something went horribly wrong
08:58 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTr0n: you registred with nickserv?
08:58 <wrtlprnft> then /msg nickserv ghost DrJoeTron <yourpw>
08:59 <wrtlprnft> in any other case DrJoeTron should time out within 2 minutes
08:59 <DrJoeTr0n> nope
08:59 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with map --nolimit
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08:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [01:57:11] <wrtlprnft> that's a circle map :D, [01:57:06] <wrtlprnft> groundpig, DrJoeTron: wanna try MAP_FILE Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml ?, [15:03:26] <wrtlprnft> map isn't in the repository, [14:29:33] <wrtlprnft> groundpig: the minimap just reads the zones, [12:48:14] <wrtlprnft> but the displayed zones don't get updated (the zones don't turn), and the minimap zone (1 more message)
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08:59 <wrtlprnft> the first two messages ;)
09:03 <Vanhayes_> #night
09:03 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes_!
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09:06 <luke-jr_> 5+"help" => 020000000500000001000000040000000000000068656c7003000000
09:06 <DrJoeTron> answer is 5
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, crashed into the san francisco bay bridge
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> tried to go under it, then at the last minute switched views so I could see it from the outside, and got confused, pulled up immediately,
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> hit the underside of the bridge
09:14 <wrtlprnft> if you do that in a real plane, don't switch views
09:14 <wrtlprnft> ;)
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> this thing is awesome, though
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I flew a t-38
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> crashed it trying to land :(
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> better stick with prop planes for awhile
09:15 <wrtlprnft> or paper planes
09:15 <wrtlprnft> too bad flightgear won't run on my machine
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no AUS in there?
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09:22 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the air port selection isn't great, but I dont' really want to take off from San Francisco anyway
09:23 <DrJoeTron> maybe il dl flight gear
09:25 <DrJoeTron> i took the motors, battery, and receiver out of my old plane
09:25 <DrJoeTron> i wanna put it on something
09:25 <DrJoeTron> maybe a bad ass leggo car
09:25 <wrtlprnft> model plane > 100 model cars
09:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:26 <DrJoeTron> but the plane got crushed
09:26 <DrJoeTron> you werent here for my discussion of my 30 dollar rc plane i reordered
09:26 <DrJoeTron> www.aeroacemods.com
09:36 <Your_mom_arma> does digging really need its own page?
09:36 <Your_mom_arma> digging more commonly known as grinding
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09:39 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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09:56 <incognito> uha
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13:36 <TitsnAss> in many threads
13:36 <joda_bot> TitsnAss: Not sure where you live, but not all ppl deny help... some offer free support ;)
13:36 <TitsnAss> hehe
13:36 <TitsnAss> i'm going to talk to linksys
13:36 <TitsnAss> right now
13:36 <joda_bot> or that
13:36 <TitsnAss> call em up 
13:36 <TitsnAss> lol
13:36 <joda_bot> ok, just too distracting here
13:36 <TitsnAss> first i'm gonna try the less than 3 mb update
13:37 <joda_bot> gone offline ... good luck titsnass ...
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13:37 <TitsnAss> k
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14:20 <TitsnAss> hey
14:20 <TitsnAss> anyoen want to play some us fortress
14:20 <TitsnAss> you know you wanna
14:25 <TitsnAss> yooooooooooo
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14:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.armagetronad.net/
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14:54 <H> HI
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14:54 <HAK> hi
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16:03 <spidey> i think i've got the hang of phpnuke now ;D
16:05 <wrtlprnft> finally
16:06 <wrtlprnft> my internet connection came back
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16:08 <wrtlprnft> 8PM GMT... that's in 3 hours :S
16:09 <spidey> really?
16:09 <spidey> 1pm my time
16:09 <spidey> mmm
16:09 <wrtlprnft> ?!
16:09 <spidey> the itw?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> oh, sh**
16:09 <wrtlprnft> i screwed up
16:09  * spidey homes Lucifer_arma is around
16:09 <spidey> huh?
16:10 <spidey> s/homes/hopes
16:10 <wrtlprnft> it should be 2PM for you
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you're GMT-6
16:10 <wrtlprnft> no
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you're GMT-5
16:10 <wrtlprnft> arrrrrgh
16:10 <spidey> i'm cdt whatever that is
16:10 <spidey> #time
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:10 <armabot> spidey: 09:10 AM, July 24, 2006
16:10 <spidey> that's what time it is now
16:10 <wrtlprnft> now I conused myself
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you are CDT
16:10 <GodTodd> central is gmt -6
16:10 <spidey>  Latest 3 Members
16:10 <spidey>  01: border=0 align="center" ALT="Jul 24, 2006">IceMaiden
16:10 <wrtlprnft> which is GMT-5
16:10 <spidey> i broke it
16:11 <spidey> ;D
16:11 <wrtlprnft> and the match is 8PM GMT
16:11 <spidey> k
16:11 <spidey> so in 3 hours?
16:11 <wrtlprnft> and i am 7 hours ahead of you
16:11 <spidey> yes
16:11 <spidey> 1 pm
16:11 <spidey> 7+1 = 8
16:11 <spidey> :p
16:12 <wrtlprnft> 8-5 = 3
16:12 <wrtlprnft> so 3pm for you
16:12 <spidey> O.o
16:12 <wrtlprnft> and for me it's 7 hours later
16:12 <wrtlprnft> so 10pm for me
16:12 <wrtlprnft> that's in 4 hours
16:12 <spidey> mm
16:12 <spidey> wait
16:12 <wrtlprnft> i just mixed it up, i never had to care about timezones before while being here
16:12 <spidey> in 4 hours?
16:12 <spidey> that's 2pm not 3pm
16:13 <spidey> no,that's 1pm in 4 hours
16:13 <wrtlprnft> what's your time?
16:13 <spidey> 9:13am
16:13 <spidey> if it's 4 hours for you
16:13 <wrtlprnft> and the match is at 3pm
16:13 <spidey> it's 4 hours for me
16:13 <wrtlprnft> it's 6 hours for me
16:14 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> so 10pm for me
16:14 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> that's in 4 hours
16:14 <spidey> !
16:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know :S
16:14 <wrtlprnft> see
16:14 <spidey> lol
16:14 <wrtlprnft> my watch says 16:14
16:14 <wrtlprnft> and i wanted the difference to 10 PM
16:14 <wrtlprnft> but i accidently translated it to 20:00
16:14 <spidey> lol
16:15 <wrtlprnft> anyways, it's 5 hours 45 minutes now for sure
16:15 <spidey> well
16:15 <wrtlprnft> or was it 45 hours 5 minutes?
16:15 <spidey> i'ma go fix the module i broke
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16:16 <armabot> deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft
16:16 <spidey> argh
16:16 <spidey> i hate xchat
16:16 <spidey> with a passion
16:16 <wrtlprnft> #herald remove #armagetron spidey 
16:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:16 <wrtlprnft> :P
16:17 <spidey> lol
16:17 <spidey> so
16:17 <deja_vu_> -.-
16:17 <spidey> if i remove this line
16:17 <spidey> &nbsp;0$a: border=0 align=\"center\" ALT=\"$user_regdate\">
16:17 <spidey> it should fix it
16:17  * spidey tries it
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16:18 <spidey> fuck
16:18 <spidey> anyways
16:18 <spidey> it worked ;D
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16:18 <spidey> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:18  * spidey notes if you click the tab bar it closes the current window
16:18  * spidey stabs xchat
16:19 <wrtlprnft> #google irssi
16:19 <wrtlprnft> in irssi you can't click anything!
16:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.25 seconds: Irssi: <http://www.irssi.org/>; Irssi - The client of the future: <http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs>; freshmeat.net: Project details for irssi: <http://freshmeat.net/projects/irssi/>; Debian -- irssi -text: <http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/irssi-text>; Debian -- Debian Package Search Results: <http://packages.debian.org/cgi- (2 more messages)
16:25  * wrtlprnft wonders what flight dynamics santa has
16:25 <wrtlprnft> last time i tried Flightgear i fell through the ground. Ooops
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16:34 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/
16:34 <spidey> woot don't i just own
16:34 <spidey> haha
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17:03 <anjori> php nuke is awful
17:04 <anjori> and every site looks the same :-/
17:12 <spidey> well
17:13 <spidey> i posted that because i broke it again
17:13 <spidey> but now i've fixed it
17:13 <spidey> and ontop of that,if i wasn't lazy i could just make a normal layout embed the modules and blocks in it 
17:14 <spidey> then it'd be origonal
17:14 <spidey> but of course,i'm lazy
17:14 <anjori> or just use a better CMS
17:14 <spidey> post nuke sucks ass to
17:14 <anjori> yep
17:14 <spidey> so does portal
17:14 <anjori> portal? never heard of it
17:15 <spidey> cms's suck ingeneral :p
17:15 <anjori> nah
17:15 <anjori> you just know the wrong ones
17:15 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=qi1&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=portal+nuke&spell=1
17:16 <anjori> if it ends in "nuke", it sucks
17:16 <anjori> just to make it simple ;)
17:16 <spidey> well
17:16 <spidey> lets say
17:17 <spidey> all cms's have there unique look
17:17 <spidey> it's how the user edits them if they look "different"
17:17 <anjori> but some are harder to edit than others
17:17 <spidey> phpnuke is easy
17:17 <spidey> lets put it this way
17:17 <anjori> and from what i've heard, always having new security holes exposed. like the "nukes"
17:17 <spidey> yesterday
17:18 <spidey> i knew nothing about phpnuke
17:18 <spidey> now i've already figured most of it out
17:18 <spidey> and,btw most nuke exploits
17:18 <spidey> are union exploits
17:18 <spidey> sentinal takes care of that
17:18 <spidey> which i run
17:19 <anjori> http://moby.com/
17:19 <anjori> http://www.ndp.ca/
17:19 <anjori> http://www.twit.tv/
17:20 <anjori> those all use the same CMS
17:20 <anjori> but are all unique
17:22 <spidey> exactly
17:22 <spidey> it's the user
17:22 <spidey> not the cms
17:22 <spidey> i choose to use a premade template
17:22 <spidey> because i'm lazy ;x
17:23 <anjori> oh. and theonion.com, too
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17:23 <spidey> goddamn it
17:23 <anjori> even the premade templates offer variety. every nuke site i see looks the same, but with different colours
17:24 <spidey> ......
17:24 <spidey> so you're saying it sucks because all the users decide to make a closely related template
17:24 <spidey> that's irrelavent :p
17:26 <wrtlprnft> it sucks because it's a pain to make a theme that actually looks different
17:26 <anjori> exactly
17:26 <anjori> wrtlprnft: have you/do you use a CMS?
17:26 <luke-jr_> WordPress can be decent
17:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't, all CMS suck by definition
17:27 <anjori> i played with wordpress, but found it didnt provide enough functionality
17:38 <luke-jr_> anjori: I've got the beginnings of a CMS that does CM only in the AA Svn
17:39 <luke-jr_> eg, you need to provide the content manually
17:40  * anjori is sold on Drupal
17:44 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
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17:50 <DrJoeTron> hey guys, question
17:50 <DrJoeTron> do i need to register irc?
17:50 <spidey> yea
17:50 <anjori> if you manage to register IRC, i will consider you god
17:51 <spidey> hahaha
17:51 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
17:51 <anjori> if you want to send PMs, you need to register your nick
17:51 <anjori> and it's a good idea in general, anyway. so other people don't take it and such
17:52 <DrJoeTron> so do i have to download this every 30 months
17:52 <DrJoeTron> or is this like winrar or winzip
17:52 <spidey> ?
17:52 <DrJoeTron> 30 dyas*
17:52 <spidey> mirc?
17:52 <DrJoeTron> yes
17:52 <spidey> ohhh
17:52 <anjori> oh
17:52 <spidey> you mean register the client
17:52 <anjori> you're talking about the app
17:52 <spidey> get rid of mirc
17:52 <spidey> hold on
17:52 <spidey> i'ma upload a client for you
17:52 <anjori> do you know, spidey? ive never used mirc
17:52 <spidey> yes
17:52 <spidey> you don't have to register it
17:53 <spidey> you can use it after the 30days
17:53 <spidey> but mirc sucks
17:53  * spidey uploads xchat2.0
17:53 <DrJoeTron> yeah
17:53 <spidey> i'll give you the one i gabe hayes :p
17:54 <anjori> for the record: IRC is a protocol and no single person controls it. there are many servers with various IRC channels (rooms) running, and various different programs (such as mirc) that you can use to connect to it
17:54 <spidey> do you have winrar?
17:54 <DrJoeTron> yes
17:54 <spidey> k
17:54 <DrJoeTron> its been so long since ive used mirc
17:55 <DrJoeTron> i feel like im back in 8th grade attempting to download games off of bots on dial up
17:55 <spidey> lol
17:56 <DrJoeTron> and i forgot all of the commands and fun shit like that
17:56 <DrJoeTron> i hate mirc
17:56 <spidey> i'm uploading something for you :p
17:56 <spidey> 3megs and my upload sucks so gimme a sec
17:56 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
17:56 <anjori> why not just give a link to the official page?
17:56 <spidey> get X-Chat.tar.bz2
17:56 <spidey> because it's not free anymore :p
17:56 <DrJoeTron> ,,,
17:57 <spidey> the version i got is the last free version they offered
17:57 <DrJoeTron> cant i just google free versions of irc?
17:57 <spidey> lol
17:57 <spidey> no
17:58 <anjori> x-chat isnt free? since when?
17:58 <anjori> just the win version, or all?
17:58 <spidey> win version
17:58 <anjori> that's shitty
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17:58 <spidey> i'm guessing you're on xchat
17:58 <spidey> so that means it's not all platforms :p
17:59 <anjori> well, i've had it installed awhile
17:59 <spidey> xchat comes with mepis
17:59 <anjori> i didnt know if they relicenced a new version or something
17:59 <spidey> even the new beta
17:59 <anjori> i've still got the old mepis and have updated x-chat from the debian repos
18:00 <spidey> well
18:00 <DrJoeTron> ok whats the last version number for window
18:00 <spidey> that should answer your question :p
18:00 <DrJoeTron> thatr was free
18:00 <spidey> DrJoeTron, the version i just linked you to
18:00 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/X-Chat.tar.bz2
18:00 <anjori> spidey, i don't see any sources along with the binary in your index. you're in violation of the GPL :P
18:01 <spidey> so?
18:01 <spidey> i'm in violation of alot of shit
18:01  * spidey doesn't care
18:01 <spidey> example
18:01 <spidey> the 3gigs of music i got off p2p
18:01  * DrJoeTron needs a damn shower
18:02 <spidey> the 50+gigs of movies i got off p2p
18:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: ?
18:02 <spidey> mpaa and raa,duh
18:02 <spidey> luke-jr_, pm
18:02 <DrJoeTron> alright, brb
18:02 <anjori> pfft. respect the licence, help the community prosper.
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18:03 <spidey> anjori, i don't have the source,they don't release it anymore i  got that version off a friends server
18:03 <anjori> and it's legal to download music in canada, so my gigs upon gigs are irrelevant :)
18:03 <spidey> we wasn't talking about you
18:03 <spidey> <anjori> spidey, i don't see any sources along with the binary in your index. you're in violation of the GPL :P
18:03 <luke-jr_> anjori: Win binaries for X-Chat *are* free, just not gratis
18:03 <anjori> they were never GPLed?
18:04 <anjori> the wikipedia article is misleading, then
18:04 <anjori> i would have just gone to their site, but it appears to be down
18:04 <spidey> luke-jr_, no it's NOT
18:04 <spidey> ask vanhayes
18:04 <spidey> he got the new version,it has to be registered in 30 days
18:04 <spidey> how's that free? :)
18:04 <luke-jr_> so?
18:04 <luke-jr_> you can get the source
18:05 <luke-jr_> http://xchat.org/files/source/2.6/?S=D
18:05 <anjori> "As of August 23, 2004, the official Windows build of X-Chat has become shareware, and must be purchased for USD$20 or AUD$25 after a 30-day trial period. There has been a great deal of discussion about the legality of this move. Since the X-Chat project has not required copyright assignment, the maintainer of the X-Chat project does not actually hold copyright to the entirety of the code. While he has offered to remove and rewri
18:05 <anjori> te any patches, provided the author of the patches asks him to, there are many who feel that he is still in violation of the GPL, especially since the code for the shareware enforcement is not disclosed. Unofficial Windows builds of X-Chat are made available (at no cost) by contributors, who maintain binaries of the latest release, and also compile frequently from CVS"
18:05 <spidey> well if they wanna compile it they can have fun,remember they're on windows SO it's not so easy 
18:05 <spidey> and i doubt van knows how to compile it
18:05 <luke-jr_> ah, right
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18:06 <luke-jr_> they might technically be violating the GPL in a strict sense
18:06 <luke-jr_> since they don't provide the compiler
18:06 <DrJoeTron> ok
18:06 <spidey> xchat?
18:06 <DrJoeTron> aye
18:06 <spidey> :)
18:06 <luke-jr_> however, I have never seen any Windows software abide by the GPL strictly
18:06 <DrJoeTron> thanks pal :)
18:06 <spidey> np
18:06 <anjori> i didnt know they had to provide a compiler
18:07 <luke-jr_> anjori: compiler is considered part of the source unless it comes w/ the OS
18:07 <wrtlprnft> don't they have to provide the kernel as well to run it?
18:07 <luke-jr_> no, that comes w/ the OS
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and the monitor to run it on?
18:07 <anjori> how is one to know if it comes with the OS, though?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and the electrical power you need to run the computer?
18:07 <luke-jr_> anjori: you look at what's shipped with it usually? =p
18:08 <wrtlprnft> does armagetronad provide a copy of GCC?
18:08 <luke-jr_> not AFAIK
18:08 <anjori> if they just provide general source for linux, some distros have a compiler, some dont
18:08 <anjori> for example, ubuntu doesnt come with gcc.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> gentoo does :)
18:09 <luke-jr_> anjori: so technically Ubuntu packages should have a notice on how to install a compiler! =p
18:09 <anjori> my point is, though, you dont know. even it being for linux, not every distro comes with a compiler. that seems like an absurd requirement
18:09 <luke-jr_> or rather, where to get it
18:09 <luke-jr_> anjori: the requirement is for the OS "it is designed to run on"
18:09 <luke-jr_> and applies only to binaries
18:09 <luke-jr_> most binaries do target a specific OS
18:10 <luke-jr_> and while a Debian package might coincidentally work on Ubuntu
18:10 <luke-jr_> it's designed for Debian
18:11 <anjori> still seems to go too far for my liking
18:12 <spidey> now anjori objects to everything GPL,gj luke-jr_ you have a disiple :p
18:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, pm *stab*
18:13 <anjori> i'm increasingly leaning toward a BSD licence for when i start writing/releasing things. especially all the bullshit clauses i've heard that may be in v3.
18:13 <DrJoeTron> alright how do i register to this channel?
18:13 <spidey> you don't
18:13 <spidey> you register to the server
18:13 <spidey> type
18:13 <spidey> /msg nickserv register password
18:13 <spidey> password = password you want to use
18:14 <DrJoeTron> ok
18:14 <DrJoeTron> thats it?
18:14 <spidey> ya
18:15 <spidey> then everytime you connect to this server type /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
18:15 <luke-jr_> anjori: you could just use v2 =p
18:15 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: or get your client to do it for you
18:15 <luke-jr_> anyway, I don't see anyone complaining about lack of AA providing a compiler
18:15 <luke-jr_> that requirement is primarily there for embedded stuff
18:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: identify
18:16 <anjori> that's not as bad, but there's still a couple things i don't like about that, either. and i've been meaing to ask about that, actually.
18:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, you identify
18:16 <spidey> i am
18:16 <anjori> when it says "version 2 or later" does that mean later, at my option, or later if the person receiving the code decides to up it?
18:16 <luke-jr_> don't need to identify to receive PMs =p
18:16 <spidey> i didn't get a pm
18:17 <spidey> so,you identify
18:17 <luke-jr_> anjori: the person receiving the code, but that's not part of the license
18:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: neither did I
18:17 <spidey> i didn't pm
18:17 <spidey> ;x
18:17 <luke-jr_> anjori: for example, Linux is licensed *only* under GPLv2
18:17  * wrtlprnft opted in to accept PMs from unregistered people
18:18 <anjori> ah, okay.
18:18 <luke-jr_> and provided you keep the copyright to all code, you can always relicense later
18:18 <anjori> then what's this talk of they may not licence it under v3. wouldn't it be a huge task to get permission from every one who's ever contributed--pas and present--to relicence it?
18:18 <luke-jr_> but if every contributor owns their copyright, then you're stuck with the choice
18:19 <luke-jr_> anjori: last I heard, nobody was seriously trying to relicense it
18:19 <luke-jr_> because yes, they *would* need to get permission from everyone
18:19 <luke-jr_> further, nobody is enforcing the v2, why would they bother with the v3?
18:21  * luke-jr_ would love it if someone started enforcing the GPLv2 with Linux
18:21 <luke-jr_> especially if they got actual compliance
18:22  * anjori doesn't know enough about that to get into it
18:23 <luke-jr_> heh
18:23 <luke-jr_> there's a number of violations
18:23 <DrJoeTron> spidey nickserv didnt work
18:23 <luke-jr_> the most notable being nVidia and ATi
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18:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey: DrJoeTron doesn't get any reply from nickserv, and he isn't registered either, even though he sent both the register and identify messages
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18:25 <pta> test
18:25 <pta> hi
18:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:25 <spidey> ??
18:25 <spidey> is that wrtl again?
18:25 <NARROW> hi
18:25 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
18:26 <wrtlprnft> pta plays on BF sometimes
18:26 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: HAK !
18:27 <pta> sometimes is good ^^
18:27 <pta> mal ne frage, ab wann wird der itw-server denn offen sein? weiss des jemand?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> keine ahnung
18:28 <pta> w?rd mir den n?mlich vor dem battle gern mal anschaun
18:28 <luke-jr_> wtf
18:28 <pta> hoffentlich ist er dann wenigstens heut abend da ;)
18:28 <wrtlprnft> surprise tournament
18:28 <luke-jr_> heut gern vor dann ist jemand!
18:29 <wrtlprnft> as z-man said, the same way you don't know the weather before some sports tournament
18:29 <anjori>  #armagetron.de ?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't exist, or does it?
18:29 <anjori> it was a suggestion :P
18:29 <luke-jr_> nah, we're not that busy here
18:29 <luke-jr_> de is fine lol
18:29 <luke-jr_> no need to segregate the channels
18:29  * anjori hates not understanding shit
18:30 <luke-jr_> babelfish =p
18:30  * DrJoeTron feels the same way
18:30 <luke-jr_> or you can try to make conversation w/ understanding
18:30 <luke-jr_> liek I do
18:30 <luke-jr_> I haven't a clue what the heck I just said in de earlier
18:30 <DrJoeTron> in that case i just make snyde remarks
18:30 <luke-jr_> w/o*
18:30 <DrJoeTron> and i dont want to do that just yet
18:31 <luke-jr_> what did I say, anyhow?
18:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: 
18:31 <anjori> just seems rude. like if i was talking to someone in code in a public channel 
18:31 <z-man> today like before then is someone!
18:32 <luke-jr_> lol
18:33 <anjori> so what time is this tournament actually at? i doubt i'll be able to make it, and time conversions suck
18:33 <H_A_K> hi
18:33 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: hi
18:33 <H_A_K> hi
18:33 <NARROW> 8 pm
18:33 <NARROW> it is gmt
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18:34 <NARROW> 3h 26m
18:35 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: hi
18:35 <spidey> luke-jr_, hi
18:35 <luke-jr_> spidey: hi
18:36 <anjori> anjori: hi
18:36 <H_A_K> All:hi
18:36 <luke-jr_> hi~!
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18:36 <luke-jr_> lol
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18:37 <DrJoeTron> yo
18:37 <NARROW> welcome back
18:41 <DrJoeTron> damn i cant get this battery to charge
18:43 <DrJoeTron> no where to play on tron :/
18:45 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wanna start a game?
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18:53 <spidey> can i send someone a email?
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19:04 <DrJoeTron> man nitro rc cars are expensive
19:05 <spidey> but fast
19:05 <spidey> if i had one i'd race street cars ;D
19:06 <spidey> actually
19:06 <spidey> when i start working im' getting one
19:07 <spidey> and Lucifer_arma is gonna buy me a airplane
19:07 <spidey> so i can fly down there and harrass him ;x
19:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
19:08 <DrJoeTron> then you swerve and get crushed
19:08 <spidey> :/
19:08 <DrJoeTron> my old plane
19:08 <spidey> mm
19:08 <spidey> it might be cheaper to build one
19:08 <DrJoeTron> i just took the transmittor, battery, and the motors off
19:09 <DrJoeTron> maybe i can built something with them
19:09 <DrJoeTron> like a flying box kite
19:09 <spidey> lol
19:10 <spidey> fuck
19:10 <spidey> i'm getting tired of killing wasps
19:11 <DrJoeTron> white anglo saxon protestants?
19:11 <DrJoeTron> kill whitey!
19:11 <spidey> er
19:12 <spidey> crushed it
19:12 <DrJoeTron> :p
19:13 <spidey> i wanna know how these fuckin things keep getting in my room
19:13 <spidey> this makes the 4th one
19:13 <luke-jr_> kill protestants?
19:14 <spidey> http://www.towerhobbies.com/products/greatplanes/gpma1865.html
19:14 <spidey> i want it
19:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: we should go join ~|DS~MGT~P1|~ on your server
19:16 <spidey> awe but i'm looking at rc gas planes :<
19:16 <spidey> ok,i'm coming
19:16 <luke-jr_> lol
19:16 <DrJoeTron> haha that looks cool
19:33 <DrJoeTron> damn!
19:33 <DrJoeTron> opera for ds does not support aim express
19:33 <wrtlprnft> wtf is aim express?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> it should support IRC :)
19:34 <wrtlprnft> though typing will be a pain
19:34 <DrJoeTron> aol instant messager 
19:34 <DrJoeTron> the web browser version
19:34 <DrJoeTron> aim express
19:34 <wrtlprnft> what does it use?
19:34 <DrJoeTron> i think java
19:34 <wrtlprnft> well
19:34 <DrJoeTron> im not sure, 
19:35 <wrtlprnft> java is a plugin
19:35 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/24/spending-some-time-with-the-ds-browser/
19:39  * wrtlprnft doesn't have a DS
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but i do use opera, so if i had one I'd certainly buy it
19:40 <DrJoeTron> hehe
19:41 <DrJoeTron> i love my ds
19:41 <DrJoeTron> mario kart ds is alot of fun playing online
19:41 <DrJoeTron> along with tetris
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19:45 <spidey> lol
19:45 <spidey> i still want fortress sty
19:45 <spidey> O.o
19:46 <luke-jr_> so configure it
19:46 <luke-jr_> it's your server
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19:54 <spidey> it's set ;D
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> can't kill the protestants
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> we need them to carpet-bomb the Vatican and nuke the kingdom of Muhammed
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> besides, the fuckers'll kill themselves if you wait long enough, so there's no need to kill any protestants
20:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, come to U.S.FortressSty ;D
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20:05  * spidey slaps Vanhayes 
20:05 <spidey> syou playing in the itw in a few hours?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> two hours to be exact
20:06 <wrtlprnft> one hour and 53 minutes to be even more exact
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20:07 <spidey> if not i think me and wrtlprnft can take them
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20:07  * wrtlprnft didn't play fortress for a while
20:07 <spidey> oh
20:07 <spidey> and anjori
20:07 <spidey> and Lucifer_arma if he plays
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, I'm here, maybe I can play
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> when is it?
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> 2pm?
20:08 <spidey> in 2 hours
20:08 <spidey> 3pm
20:08 <wrtlprnft> in one hour 51 minutes 15 seconds
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we'll have to see.  Depends on whether or not my family is home by then.  ;)
20:08 <Vanhayes> o ya the inter tron is today
20:09 <spidey> Vanhayes, come to U.S.FortressSty
20:09 <Vanhayes> ok, I was gonna test tron anyway
20:09 <Vanhayes> er fort with shooting?
20:09 <spidey> :D
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> alright, ping me when it's 20 minutes or so to game time and I'll see :)
20:14 <Vanhayes> spidey: ya still have that weird lag thing, so I cant play 
20:15 <Vanhayes> tell me if you need someone to fill the 5th place though caus eI can just drive in circles
20:15 <Vanhayes> er squares anyway
20:19 <DrJoeTron> ha
20:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i guess i should play this tournament on my other machine
20:31 <wrtlprnft> I get >100fps there :)
20:37 <spidey> Vanhayes, yes you have to play
20:37 <spidey> me wrtlprnft Lucifer_arma anjori is only 4
20:38 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, might not play
20:38 <spidey> :<
20:38 <Vanhayes> er like I said I cant really play but I can be there
20:38 <Vanhayes> people only move in the straight line that the start out in on my screen
20:38 <Vanhayes> they*
20:39 <spidey> well
20:39 <spidey> you could always sweep then run into a wall
20:39 <spidey> ;D
20:40 <Vanhayes> heh i;ll try to grind then break and head for the rim and die
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha, my kids love the santa model
20:48 <philippeqc> anyone know the fortress conquest, defense and drift rate for z-man's server?
20:51 <spidey> default?
20:51 <philippeqc> and that would be in the config file
20:51 <philippeqc> ;)
20:51 <philippeqc> thanks
20:54 <luke-jr_> I thought it wasn't default
20:54 <luke-jr_> but rather in examples
20:55 <philippeqc> still building the map, havent looked them up yet, but thanks for the tip
20:59 <philippeqc> .5 .25 and .1
21:02 <wrtlprnft> spidey: philippeqc DrJoeTron Vanhayes go to US fortress :D
21:03 <spidey> ?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> there's runaway zombies now
21:03 <DrJoeTron> eh
21:03 <spidey> which one
21:03 <wrtlprnft> yours
21:03 <DrJoeTron> ok
21:03 <philippeqc> ok
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and you get points for catching them
21:03 <spidey> there's 2 fortress servers
21:03 <spidey> the sty one or the normal?
21:03 <Vanhayes> o ya that reminds me has anyone tried the ITW server, and if they had is the conquer rate longer?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> sty
21:04 <Vanhayes> argh tron froze again
21:05 <luke-jr_> spidey: restart your server, it's starting to hiccup
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21:15 <wrtlprnft> #g 400/5
21:15 <armabot> 400 / 5 = 80
21:22 <luke-jr_> #g 4OO/5
21:22 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:22 <luke-jr_> it doesn't like me
21:22 <luke-jr_> ;)
21:24 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: FYI, you need to let spidey know about changes so they get into settings_custom
21:24 <luke-jr_> else they're lost on a restart
21:25 <luke-jr_> and sty code is buggy, so that happens
21:26 <spidey> luke-jr_, server crashed
21:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:26 <luke-jr_> O.o
21:26  * spidey blames wrtlprnft 
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21:26 <wrtlprnft> in the end only 2 settings differed
21:26 <spidey> se
21:26 <spidey> sec
21:26 <spidey> i'ma check the logs
21:26 <wrtlprnft> shot_velocity_mult was the same value, just negative
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and filter_color_codes was 1
21:26 <DrJoeTron> timed out?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> that's all i kept changed
21:27 <spidey> wow
21:27 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> what happened?
21:27 <spidey> a shitload of user does not know about netobkects
21:27 <spidey> objects
21:27 <wrtlprnft> that might be zone bugs or just extreme lag
21:28 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't depend on whether the shots come out front or back
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21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's sty code
21:28 <Narrow> hi all
21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's still buggy
21:29 <luke-jr_> groundpig's server is less effected since it has a ton more RAM
21:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah
21:29 <DrJoeTron> sometimes whenthat happens everyone times out
21:29 <DrJoeTron> or its just one big jump
21:29 <spidey> ok i restarted it
21:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: should restart your server when it starts to have issues
21:29 <spidey> well
21:29 <spidey> all the settings are back to normal :/
21:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i'll change that in a minute
21:30 <wrtlprnft> i have another idea
21:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: settings_config =p
21:30 <spidey> no
21:30 <luke-jr_> err
21:30 <luke-jr_> custom
21:30 <spidey> it's got a big ass list of settings already
21:31 <spidey> although could make it deathmatch
21:31 <wrtlprnft> fortress is pointless
21:32 <spidey> well,it didn't go the way i wanted it to
21:32 <spidey> like people defend and get shot at,that's why i lowered the radius
21:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i just put all the settings back in
21:32 <wrtlprnft> come join me
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21:33 <spidey> er
21:33 <spidey> i'm looking at planes
21:33 <spidey> :/
21:34 <DrJoeTron> i want mine now :(
21:34 <spidey> er
21:36 <Vanhayes_> er when is that ITW thing?
21:37 <spidey> 30 minutes
21:37 <Vanhayes_> ok
21:37 <wrtlprnft> 23
21:38 <spidey> awe
21:38 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:38 <wrtlprnft> that sucks
21:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man: why didn
21:39 <Vanhayes_> I think the fortress conquer is longer too, unless that is just for single player
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 't you put it in fortress_physics.cfg earlier?
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21:47 <luke-jr_> we should have an option where
21:47 <luke-jr_> instead of rubber...
21:47 <luke-jr_> when you're hitting a wall, your tail shrinks
21:47 <luke-jr_> and when it catches you, yuo die
21:49 <spidey> http://www.trendtimes.com/rc-wall-climber.html
21:49 <spidey> wtf
21:50 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
21:50 <DrJoeTron> i remember these
21:50 <DrJoeTron> i want that itty bitty helicopter
21:51 <DrJoeTron> http://www.hobbytron.com/ElectricRCMiniDragonflyHelicopter.html
21:52 <spidey> grr
21:52 <spidey> i don't like you anymore
21:52 <spidey> i clicked that link and it closed the one i was looking at :<
21:52 <luke-jr_> spidey: restart your server plz
21:52 <luke-jr_> upgrade
21:52  * philippeqc notice that everybody is working on their own special projects
21:53 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: ?
21:53 <philippeqc> we have shooting, tail is rubber, zones. what next?
21:53 <luke-jr_> we have tail-is-rubber now?
21:53 <philippeqc> z-man just announced it
21:53 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I'm working on tCode
21:53 <philippeqc> ok, its more general usage ;)
21:53 <luke-jr_> z-man announced that tails work like normal
21:54 <philippeqc> that is not what I read
21:54 <luke-jr_> the server lacks shrinkage caused by rubber
21:55 <luke-jr_> the tail used to shrink when rubber was being used
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21:55 <z-man> Umm, the ITW server is full, who is there that doesn't belong there?
21:56  * luke-jr_ goes :)
21:56 <spidey> i'm not there
21:56 <spidey> :/
21:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Vanhayes Lucifer_arma ,you coming?
21:56 <Vanhayes> im in
21:56 <spidey> anjori, ?
21:57 <z-man> Vanhayes: then tell the people who should not be playing to quit, please :)
21:57 <Vanhayes> heh ok
21:57 <spidey> 'er
21:58 <spidey> i don't see the server
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21:58 <Vanhayes> its the one with most people in it
21:58  * spidey pokes Vanhayes 
21:58 <philippeqc> z-man, I dont see any servers with ITW
21:58 <spidey> me either
21:59 <z-man> philippeqc: it starts with -=|LOD|=-
21:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: sorry, try restarting it again
22:00 <philippeqc> ITW: international Tron World cup thigny
22:00 <spidey> it's full
22:00 <philippeqc> i though it was a test server with tail lenght = rubber
22:00 <Vanhayes> too many germans there plus people not on either team
22:00 <spidey> ya
22:01 <spidey> tell half them to leave :p
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> just a sec, gotta get some tea
22:01 <z-man> Where is Lucifer_arma?
22:01 <luke-jr_> what happens if you play a server recording on a client?
22:02 <spidey> lol?
22:03 <philippeqc> yeah! double fortress zones, and they move (kinda)
22:03 <Vanhayes> spidey are you ther yet?
22:03 <spidey> no!
22:03 <spidey> it's full
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> the server is full!
22:03 <spidey> i done said :/
22:03 <spidey> ok
22:03 <spidey> now i'm there
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> kick some of them
22:03 <spidey> and i'm pink :/
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still not in
22:05 <Vanhayes> heh three lucifers will be in there
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> don't do that OSD shit for me, will ya?  ;)  kills fps...
22:06 <spidey> anjori?
22:07 <Vanhayes> anjori:  ITW is starting if you can make it
22:11 <spidey> ok this shit's getting old
22:11 <spidey> everytime i minimize tron and clock offscreen x crashes
22:11 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma Vanhayes tell ady to kick someone
22:11 <spidey> i can't get in :<
22:12 <luke-jr_> what happens if you play a server recording on a client?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: won't work
22:14 <luke-jr_> how so
22:17 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-219-178.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
22:17 <philippeqc> who do I tell a server to have finite length wall
22:17 <philippeqc> I tryed giving it WALLS_LENGTH 2
22:17 <madmax|pt> hi
22:17 <philippeqc> but to no result
22:17 <luke-jr_> WALLS_LENGTH takes effect next round
22:17 <luke-jr_> if single player, prefix SP_
22:17 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt 
22:18 <philippeqc> it is the next round
22:18 <philippeqc> WALLS_LENGTH 3
22:18 <philippeqc> [0] WALLS_LENGTH changed from 2 to 3.
22:18 <philippeqc> but they are still infinite
22:19 <luke-jr_> and multiplayer?
22:20 <philippeqc> multiplayer
22:21 <luke-jr_> who else is  playing?
22:22 <philippeqc> I'm alone trying to debug something on my own server
22:24 <philippeqc> I'm not crazy, the server tells me:
22:24 <philippeqc> walls_length 50
22:24 <philippeqc> [0] WALLS_LENGTH changed from 3 to 50.
22:24 <philippeqc> the value IS changed, how come I dont see it on the client
22:26 <philippeqc> ^^^ that was the message as returned by the server
22:29 <luke-jr_> because it's not multiplayer
22:29 <luke-jr_> if you're alone
22:29 <luke-jr_> that's single player
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22:30 <philippeqc> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
22:30 <philippeqc> ty
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone up for some tron?
22:31 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: they're all playing some tourney
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how about you?
22:31 <luke-jr_> I'm fixing bugs
22:31 <luke-jr_> and working on tCode
22:31 <philippeqc> fixing zones
22:32 <Vanhayes> [Xpert]DarkStar: do you play fortress?
22:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> rarely
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22:33 <Vanhayes> well, if you want Join lod inter tron  server as Vanhayes|NAFTA and you could play in the tourney
22:33 <Vanhayes> everytime I connect to a server it freezes for me
22:33 <philippeqc> ty luke-jr_ 
22:34 <DrJoeTron> im not a real big fan of fortress
22:34 <philippeqc> dark, have a try at "zone v2 test server"
22:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: np
22:38 <philippeqc> is there a way to tell the server to reload settings_dedicated ?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of incompetent server admins this server has
22:49 <philippeqc> lol
22:49 <philippeqc> I have to keep quiet on that topic, seing the type of admin I am ;)
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22:52 <philippeqc> the coloration of text, is it really 0xRRGGBB with RR going from 00 to FF?
22:53 <Narrow> in armagetron?
22:53 <philippeqc> 0x007FFF should be azure (shade of blue) but appears green on white text
22:53 <philippeqc> yes
22:53 <Narrow> so you have the answer
22:54 <philippeqc> it seems off
22:54 <philippeqc> it doesnt show the right color it seems
22:54 <Narrow> for armagetron, right is somethim different
22:55 <philippeqc> lol
22:55 <Narrow> but i can't help
22:55 <philippeqc> :(
22:55 <Narrow> sorry
22:56 <Narrow> you can only try every combination
22:56 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: include settings_dedicated.cfg
22:57 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I think it's maybe BBGGRR
22:57 <luke-jr_> see source of the beta server list
22:58 <Narrow> for me it is now 22:58, so i go to bed
22:58 <Narrow> good night
22:58 <philippeqc> cya
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22:58 <Vanhayes> spidey: wrtlprnft Lucifer_arma Im done eating, but the ITW server is full
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> thanks for killing me, Van
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> don't do that osd shit :)
22:58  * Lucifer_arma closes irc
22:58 <Vanhayes> lol
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23:00 <philippeqc> upper case is not accepted
23:00 <philippeqc> it is on the wiki
23:02  * luke-jr_ notes Lucifer is the dummy who lets his client pop up
23:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5819 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/: branch for tCode
23:05 <z-man> Guess I'm out of the german team :)
23:06 <wrtlprnft> :S
23:06  * wrtlprnft left
23:06 <wrtlprnft> they can push their ITW up their own ass
23:06 <Vanhayes> did you both get kicked?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> no
23:06 <wrtlprnft> i pressed shift-esc
23:07 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*
23:07 <wrtlprnft> wb Lucifer_arma 
23:07 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of losers
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> re
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> so what were they saying in german?  ;)
23:07 <wrtlprnft> let's all go to BF fortress
23:07 <wrtlprnft> foul language, partly
23:07 <z-man> I for kicked now
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> actually I've gotta go work on dinner pretty soon
23:07 <z-man> wht did I get kicked? do you know?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, all of gold left, so they probably were able to kick you
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I think all of gold left :)
23:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5820 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/armagetronad/src/tools/ (. tCodeAST.cpp tCodeAST.h tCodeParser.ypp): tCode code
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke, we've got plenty of time to gather together to bitch.  :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> but did anybody manage a recording?
23:09 <luke-jr_> we should organize an official tournament ;)
23:09 <z-man> My client recorded, but it's current SVN
23:09 <z-man> I think wrtl did a better one
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice to show some screenshots of the scores.  6-4 and they still had to fight for every inch.  :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> our team played very well, I'm very impressed
23:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no, i didn't do anything since he kicked my recorder, remember?
23:10 <z-man> I didn't really watch
23:10 <z-man> was too busy discussing
23:10 <luke-jr_> z-man: any way to make server recordings work on a client?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> SPOON had the same problem, though
23:10 <luke-jr_> or rather, render frames?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think my team went 6-5 at one point
23:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: which problem?
23:10 <z-man> luke-jr_: not currently
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> but at least there most teams had people willing to leave so the match would be even
23:11 <z-man> Yeah, I really should have been the teamchief
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: we just played the German team, and most of the German team (not all) and the guy running the tourney decided that 7-4 was fair
23:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: use bots?
23:11 <z-man> then I'd have decided who should play and who not
23:12 <z-man> I didn't want that, because I don't know the players
23:12 <luke-jr_> z-man: easy, kick the ones who die first =p
23:12 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: can we make it an admin decision that the ITW sucks?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: ummmm, only if Tank votes too :)
23:12 <z-man> We need only 2 votes in favor, remember?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> see, you're on the team that benefited, and I'm on the team that got screwed, so stalemate
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hmmm
23:13 <luke-jr_> we should organize an official tournament, sponsoring development =p
23:13 <z-man> But I'd still vote that it sucks :)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like a vote of condemnation, like the UN condemning Israel for invading Lebanon
23:13 <z-man> Besides, I don't think I'm still on the team :)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:14 <spidey> i would like to state
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think if I'd personally have been in practice we'd have won
23:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, z-man should organize a tournament :)
23:14 <spidey> germany won't make it past the next match
23:14 <luke-jr_> anyhow, current tCode is in Svn
23:14 <spidey> me and hayes killed them all
23:14 <spidey> s:D
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: not if they show up with the team they showed up with tonight (assuming they don't piss off z-man again)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> assuming the *do* piss off z-man again
23:15 <spidey> haha
23:16  * wrtlprnft thinks he's supid because he joined that thing in the first place
23:16 <luke-jr_> should I add (( expr )) or is that best left for later?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i only joined because Vanhayes did
23:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i'll have a look at it tomorrow
23:16 <Vanhayes> he ya Im regretting joining the ITW
23:16 <wrtlprnft> too tired and angry right now
23:16 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it doesn't work yet, just parses and compiles
23:16 <Vanhayes> heh*
23:17 <Vanhayes> so many problems all around
23:17 <wrtlprnft> I'd just find out that it sucks and makes me angry if i looked at it right now
23:17 <wrtlprnft> probably wrongly
23:17 <wrtlprnft> so I'll have a fresh look at it tomorrow :)
23:17 <luke-jr_> at least tell me if the tCodeAST.h is decent? =p
23:18 <luke-jr_> or I could just summarize how I structured it
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Expr is a shared_ptr to an expression
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Null is the base expression, useless on its own
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::BinaryOp is a base for binary operators
23:19 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Add is an addition binop
23:19 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Integer is an integer literal
23:19 <wrtlprnft> i see i'll have to have a look at it right now
23:19 <luke-jr_> nah, I just summarized enough for you to say if the design is C++ enough
23:19 <luke-jr_> =p
23:19 <wrtlprnft> can't say from names
23:20 <luke-jr_> Add is a subclass of BinaryOp which is a subclass of Null
23:20 <luke-jr_> BinaryOp implements a (left, right) constructor
23:20 <wrtlprnft> that's about what i planned for tValue
23:20 <luke-jr_> ok, so it's good then I guess =p
23:21 <luke-jr_> just need to make it work heh
23:22  * wrtlprnft is getting random 503 Service Unavailable responses while trying to browse svn online
23:22 <luke-jr_> O.o
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> hey luke-jr_ , you willing to host a tourney on that fancy server of yours?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> i get ~300ms of ping there
23:23 <wrtlprnft> on BF i get ~50ms
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> we could do a project tournament....
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, here's the thing
23:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: an official one sponsoring the project, sure =p
23:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: everyone else gets better ping =p
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking we could have several referees with clear rules that could radmin in
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> bugfarm is the place to host it, but for obvious reasons z-man can't hand out radmin to it
23:24 <wrtlprnft> right
23:24 <luke-jr_> bugfarm has higher pings too =p
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'd be willing to referee some night matches in my timezone
23:24 <luke-jr_> is it possible to make it require a radmin to place people on teams?
23:24 <wrtlprnft> maybe z-man can get another one of those tryout vservers for the matches=
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking, you know, in the first match, we stayed in the game until the end.  One or two zone conquests along with the kill rate we were getting and we would've won
23:25 <luke-jr_> eg, people can't join teams-- radmin assigns them
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> and the other team had all the advantages, low pings, numbers, etc.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> so germany moves on to the next round, but nafta played better :)
23:25 <z-man> luke-jr_: sounds like a good idea
23:26 <z-man> but it doesn't help agaist f**** up rules
23:26  * z-man wonders whether he got the right number of *s
23:26 <luke-jr_> z-man: if we're running it, we decide the rules =p
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> no it doesn't.  That's kinda why luke-jr_ 's suggestion of running a tournament for the project attracts me
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23:26 <luke-jr_> for one thing, single elimination sounds like a bad idea
23:26 <z-man> Yeah, of course, then we couldn't play for fairness reasons
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23:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i could host a server
23:27 <spidey> 100mbit connection
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, single elimination isn't terrible when you have real seed rounds
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: LOL
23:27 <spidey> ;D
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: is it on a mac?  ;)
23:27 <z-man> knockout is fine by me, adds an element of luck
23:27 <spidey> no
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: yeah and watch them shut you down 5 min in
23:27 <spidey> redhat
23:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's on his web host's server =p
23:27 <spidey> si run it on my webserver
23:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: they don't know what SSH is, really
23:27 <luke-jr_> and he takes advantage of that
23:27 <spidey> they do know
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> a little nohup?  ;)
23:27 <Vanhayes> hei always thought that if you had at least 5 people the other team uses that amount of players
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: not really
23:28 <Vanhayes> I*
23:28 <spidey> me to
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's how most of the teams in the SPOON played it, but there were at least two matches I know of where both teams agreed to let one team have one extra
23:28 <z-man> Vanhayes: me too, it's even my last post on the forum thread.
23:28 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we can ssh in and run rsync, while the host admins argue they don't have it
23:28 <z-man> I'm just posting to complain that that wasn't corrected before the match started
23:28 <spidey> hahahah
23:28 <spidey> indeed
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, in that little argument I started on the wiki, my main complaint was that there weren't clearly posted rules :)
23:29 <spidey> ya
23:29 <spidey> he said a alliance could be made of teams with to many players
23:29 <spidey> us for one
23:29 <spidey> he said we wasn't a valid team
23:29 <luke-jr_> any way to allow the tournament to have Deathmatch and Sty options?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what's so hard about making fair rules...
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> but we would've had to join the US team to begin with
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, luke-jr_ .  It should be a bigger tournament.
23:29 <wrtlprnft> both teams are guaranteed to ba able to play with at least 5 people
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> Give away like 3-4 trophies instead of just one
23:30 <wrtlprnft> if both teams have more, they can both play with more, providing it stays balanced
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> let players participate in the several different branches
23:30 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was thinking home vs away games, where the home team decided the game logic and mode and stuff
23:30 <wrtlprnft> what about putting the winner into the project somewhere?
23:30 <wrtlprnft> like an AWSOME_PLAYERS file
23:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: heh, nice idea ;)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of getting edd to make some really awesome trophy models and digitally sign them with the winning players' names
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> so you get a picture of an awesome trophy :)
23:31 <luke-jr_> I was thinking you get 50% of the fees or something =p
23:32 <spidey> bug in firefox!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: nothing new
23:32 <spidey> :/
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of prize money depends on how many people are actually going to fork out the cash for it
23:32 <luke-jr_> or maybe let each player decide how much to put in the pot and have their potential earnings based on that
23:32 <luke-jr_> so free players can't win anything
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, if we say $5 to play, and that means only 10 people sign up, what's the use?
23:32 <spidey> omg
23:32 <spidey> it crashed again
23:32 <spidey> :/
23:32 <luke-jr_> if you put in $10 to play, you get more than someone who puts in $5
23:32 <luke-jr_> assuming you both scored the same
23:32 <wrtlprnft> no money, please
23:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe we could take edd's trophy image and put it on the title screen for one version?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> that ignores the underlying question, which is how many people will *not* sign up because they don't have any money or don't want to pay?
23:33 <philippeqc> anyone want to try multiple fortress zones?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, there's something there
23:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if we do a "potential earnings based on playing fee", then there's the option to not put anything in
23:33 <wrtlprnft> I'd think twice before giving money like that
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> we could have a special winners circle for tournaments in the game that shows the trophies
23:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: your potential winnings are just less
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't do it at all, it's unfairness built into the system
23:34 <luke-jr_> hm
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, we could "bless" tournaments run by anyone and put the results of the tournament inside the game in future versions
23:35 <luke-jr_> if they're run by anyone, we can't be sure of fairness in rules and judgement
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> where "bless" is based on our own well-defined and posted standards of fair play :)
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> can't is a bad word
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> figure out how we *can* instead of complaining that we can't
23:35 <luke-jr_> we can by taking control of it =p
23:35 <luke-jr_> eg, appeals and nonsense like that
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's fairly easy.  I'd gladly bless SPOON and the LADLE, but I wouldn't bless this ITW
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> psyko's tournament was probably fair, if poorly organized.  I don't know, I didn't participate.  heh
23:36 <Vanhayes> well its fair unless he is both psyko and leeroy
23:36 <spidey> lol
23:36 <Vanhayes> then it is rigged
23:37 <spidey> should have them both play at the sametime
23:37 <spidey> that'd solve it
23:37 <Vanhayes> heh they are both in the finals
23:37 <spidey> really
23:37 <Vanhayes> only 2 left
23:37 <spidey> that'll be intresting
23:37 <Vanhayes> if anyone gets to see it
23:38 <spidey> ya
23:38 <DrJoeTron>  my plane came in :D
23:38 <luke-jr_> so what would be wrong with a potential winnings figure?
23:39 <Vanhayes> well seems like my weird lagg problem isnt a flooded connection, unless that only affects version 0.3
23:39 <Vanhayes> .2.8 works fine
23:39 <spidey> hayes you should have did that earlier
23:39 <spidey> we might have did better :p
23:40 <Vanhayes> well im still getting used to .2.8.2 glances again
23:40 <Vanhayes> it was still screwed up when i first tried it but now works fine
23:49 <spidey> argh
23:49 <spidey> i'm mad
23:49 <spidey> firefox keeps closgin
23:50 <spidey> does konqueror have tabs
23:50 <spidey> ?
23:52 <luke-jr_> Konqueror is the best browser
23:52 <luke-jr_> of course ti does
23:52 <spidey> using it for now
23:52 <spidey> till i figure out why firefox is being gay
23:53 <spidey> luke-jr_, we should do a sty tourny ;x
23:54 <spidey> i think i just coughed up every bit of tar i've ever gotten from cigarettes
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23:55 <spidey> 'er
23:57 <spidey> weird
23:57 <spidey> konqueror is loading slow
23:58 <spidey> uptime
23:58 <spidey> 'eer
23:58 <spidey>  16:58:22 up  1:49,  1 user,  load average: 4.61, 2.01, 1.39
23:58 <spidey> that could be a problem
23:58 <spidey> :/
23:59 <spidey> ahah
23:59 <spidey> xorg is using all the cpu cycle

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