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Log from 2006-07-22:
--- Day changed Sat Jul 22 2006
00:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:27 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
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00:30 <Vanhayes> brb
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00:37 <spidey> anyone know why i minimize tron and x crashes?
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00:49 <madmax|pt> hello
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> H3LL0
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> 1 4M A R0B07
00:50 <spidey> }{3110
00:51 <spidey> m = /\/\ :p
00:51 <spidey> A = 4 ;D
00:51 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:51 <spidey> R = |2 :S
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> spidey = annoying little shit
00:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma = right
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's like graffiti.  It's an art form!  ;)
00:54 <spidey> lol
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> annoying art form, but still an art form
00:55 <spidey> haha
01:11 <Vanhayes> bbiab
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01:13 <[NP]Tangent> Y0 3Y3 4|\|\ 73|-| 0\|\||\|Z0R
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76181#76181
01:21 <spidey> [NP]Tangent, that made no sense
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just figured out what that picture in iceman's signature is.  It's Data on the Enterprise getting a blue-screen
01:22 <[NP]Tangent> yes it did spidey
01:23 <[NP]Tangent> yo, I am t eh ownzor
01:24 <spidey> that would be  Y0 3Y3 4/\/\ 7}{3 0\/\//\/Z0|2
01:24 <spidey> duh
01:26 <[NP]Tangent> j00 4r3 t3h |_4|\|\3
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> WIL U IDIOTS CUT TAHT SHIT OUT??!!!!?!? OMG WTF LOL ITS ANOYNG AS FUK!!!11!! OMG WTF
01:34  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's funny
01:36 <[NP]Tangent> O RLY?
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5203802.stm  <--- no deaths in Texas?  This happens to us every year
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> we're still preparing for August.  ;)
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5203812.stm  <--- Europe is suffering with the heat, too.
01:42 <[NP]Tangent> :(
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna go run my truck out of gas so I can do my part as a Good American to ignore the heat
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> It's 82 in here and I feel cold, heh
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 82 F in C
01:44 <armabot> 82 degrees Fahrenheit = 27.7777778 degrees Celsius
01:50 <spidey> haha
01:50 <spidey> my grandma's popping a piss test on me
01:50 <spidey> my uncle told me ;x
01:56 <madmax|pt> lol
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02:49 <spidey> luke-jr_, 
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03:13 <anjori> ugh. bloody connection went down for 3 hours
03:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5792 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.icns: Updated icon to look better at smaller sizes.
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03:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: ?
03:23  * deja_vu still misses .deb-packages :>
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04:06 <spidey> Vent your frustration with programs by blowing holes in them
04:06 <spidey> Blast lets you vent your frustration with programs by blowing holes in
04:06 <spidey> them. With this program you can blast holes into any window in X. Holes become
04:06 <spidey> permanent unless you repair them before you quit. You may move permanently
04:06 <spidey> "damaged" windows and enjoy the view behind the holes.
04:06 <spidey> hahaha
04:06 <spidey> i'ma apt-get that
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter just became my slave
05:01 <spidey> haha
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> she made the mistake of whining about "all the work I do around here" when she'd been in her room for 10 hours "organizing" it
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it was a 10 minute job!
05:02 <spidey> LOL
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> when she's done with the dishes, I'm going to tell her "You're going to find out what Cinderella's life was like before the ball.  I'm not your father anymore, I'm your wicked father now"
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> and, as someone said on the forums, I am a bit of a perfectionist
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> she's so screwed
05:03 <spidey> hahahah
05:03  * spidey is glad he's not lucifers son
05:03 <spidey> O.o
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you failed the piss test I'd cut your balls off
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> with my swiss army knife, no less
05:06 <spidey> i won't fail it
05:06 <spidey> thanks to my uncle
05:06 <spidey> :D
05:07 <spidey> i can have my system flushed out in 3 days
05:08 <spidey> although everyone in my family knows i smoke pot
05:08 <spidey> half of them smoke with me
05:08 <spidey> so i don't see what the point is
05:11 <Vanhayes> um 3 days for your system to be flushed? how?
05:12 <spidey> i drink a 24 pack of water (16oz a bottle) in 2 days
05:12 <Vanhayes> my freind tried that and he still failed it
05:12 <Vanhayes> he was trying to get in the army
05:12 <spidey> did he happen to piss every 1-2hours?
05:12 <spidey> because i do :/
05:13 <spidey> besides
05:13 <spidey> i use sure jell
05:13 <Vanhayes> he drank at least 2 and a half litres of water for 4 days
05:14 <spidey> #g 500ml in l
05:14 <Vanhayes> pretty sure its a myth
05:14 <armabot> 500 ml = 0.5 l
05:14 <spidey> #g 500ml in liters
05:14 <armabot> 500 ml = 0.5 liters
05:14 <spidey> well
05:14 <spidey> 16 oz = half a liter
05:14 <spidey> 16.9 anyways
05:14 <spidey> so i drink more than that :)
05:15 <Vanhayes> #g 24*16oz in litres
05:15 <armabot> 24 * 16 US fluid ounces = 11.3562354 litres
05:15 <spidey> ...
05:15 <spidey> #16.9oz in l
05:15 <spidey> #g16.9oz in l
05:15 <spidey> #g 16.9oz in liters
05:15 <armabot> 16.9 US fluid ounces = 0.499792652 liters
05:15 <Vanhayes> #g 16 oz in ltr
05:15 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:16 <spidey> mm
05:16 <spidey> 16.9oz in pints
05:16 <spidey> #g 16.9oz in pints
05:16 <armabot> 16.9 US fluid ounces = 1.05625 US pints
05:16 <spidey> ok
05:16 <Vanhayes> Im pretty sure it takes a month for it to get out of your piss system
05:17 <Vanhayes> 3 for blood test
05:17 <spidey> heh not hardly
05:17 <spidey> i pasted my second test after 1 week
05:17 <spidey> i failed my first because it was random :/
05:18 <Vanhayes> well how much weed do you smoke and how regularly?
05:18 <spidey> before i moved here
05:18 <spidey> 1/4 oz a day
05:19 <Vanhayes> must have different tests or something here
05:19 <spidey> mmm
05:19 <spidey> i doubt it
05:26 <Vanhayes> For this reason, when you ask "How long does marijuana stay in your system?" you have to realize that it's very unlikely that you'll be able to get a usable answer. The most common period of time is anywhere from 3-30 days, depending on your metabolism and the amount of marijuana that you've smoked. This is unfortunate, since it means that while most drug tests can only turn up evidence of other drugs if you've 
05:26 <Vanhayes> been taking the drug within a few days of the drug test, marijuana could still be detected in a urine test up to a month after the last time it is used.
05:27 <Vanhayes> so bbasically If your fat and a chronic your in trouble
05:28 <mkzelda> i passed a test w/ 2 days
05:28 <mkzelda> i get tested regularly
05:28 <Vanhayes> http://www.passadrugtestingforall.com/long-does-marijuana-stay-your-system-a-4.html theres the link btw
05:29 <Vanhayes> I never got tested cause I never really cared who knew
05:29 <mkzelda> i have a high metabolism
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05:32 <Vanhayes> Hair tests are even worse, since your body stores THC in the hair follicles. For this reason, the previous answers to "How long does marijuana stay in your system?" are only useful if you're going to be forced to take a urine test. For the hair test, depending on the amount of hair that the company takes, it's possible that marijuana could be detected up to three years after the last time that you smoke.
05:33 <Vanhayes> Damn that would really suck
05:34  * anjori shaves his head
05:36 <anjori> i'm downloading an ISO at 35K/s :(
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure there's pot in my hair
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> no wait, nevermind
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I cut it after the last time I smoked it
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, but it's so long anybody doing a hair test is going to expect to find something :)
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I told my daughter to take a bath, she's got 10 minutes.  THen, whatever she hasn't cleaned, I'm going to clean.
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I went in to take a piss and she was scrubbing the shit out of hair
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> *her hair
05:57 <GodTodd> why'd she have shit in her hair? ;)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:57 <anjori> heh
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> she made the mistake of whining to me about how much work she's been doing around the house
05:58 <anjori> that was the obvious joke, why didnt i think about it?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> in a few minutes, she's going to find out how screwed she is
05:58 <GodTodd> ahhh da kiss o' death :D
05:58 <GodTodd> i'm still ramping tommy up to "doing everything" as he'll put it :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> she's going to get a crash course in slavery
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> where's my whip?
05:59 <GodTodd> cat o' nine?
05:59 <GodTodd> ;)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> at least, when I'm done, she'll have all the basic cleaning skills she needs, she'll have learned what I consider "good enough" (I doubt she'll learn perfection yet),
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> and with any luck she'll have some appreciation for how much the rest of us do around here
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> but from this day forward, she works.  I'm going to work the living piss out of her for the next week or so, but when I back off from that, there ain't gonna be any more 10 hours to clean your room
06:00 <GodTodd> that's the ultimate goal...if they think they do too much you show them what too much really is
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> she's a good girl, though, and I'm confident she'll learn how to be satisfied with her work
06:01 <GodTodd> tommy has learned that if he wants to keep his toys they better be picked up by 8 every night
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I had my kids well trained for awhile, what the fuck happened?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't get it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> must have fallen down on the job or something, they were picking their rooms up every night while I cooked dinner
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> organizing and sorting once a week
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> the hall, living room, and dining room every other day
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> and they'd take turns cleaning off the table every night before dinner--without complaint!
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> and they'd do all this stuff in about 20-30 minutes!
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> come on, it's not like it takes 10 hours to do this stuff
06:04 <GodTodd> how old is she again?
06:04 <GodTodd> 10? 11?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I just gave her the bad news.  "You're not my personal slave.  You're going to learn what Cinderella's life was like before the ball.  I'm your wicked father"
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, she's 7
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> she'll be 8 in December
06:04 <GodTodd> ahhh i thought she was older for some reason
06:04 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> *now my personal slave
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> that typo kinda changes the meaning of the sentence, haha
06:05 <GodTodd> yep :)
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> she's reading a book before bed.  I told her "You've got 5 minutes, then put it away and go to sleep.  That sounds a lot like fun."
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> I swore I wouldn't make my kids servants, though, so I've got to make sure she's doing real housework, not serving me.
06:06 <GodTodd> yeah...just don't make her bring you your beers ;)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe her brothers will learn from her lesson :)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I bitch at my wife when she sends them in for cigarettes
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> I had intended that by the time she was 10 she'd have all the basic cleaning skills, some of the more advanced ones, and we'd have a regular chore rotation going
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> so that at 10, I could really focus on teaching her how to cook.  My older son would be on a slightly different schedule, starting the same stuff about a year earlier than her,
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> but still 6 months later than her
06:09 <GodTodd> tommy loves hot lunch, so it's great motivation that if he doesn't do his chore rotation, he gets sack lunch
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> because of the age difference.  They're too close for me to let him get by without doing anything, but he's enough younger that I can't expect him to be able to do everything she can
06:09 <GodTodd> yeah...i have the 8 year span to deal with on that
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, apparently we should be establishing a chore rotation now.  No more freeloading!
06:09 <GodTodd> the rotation works great
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> but first I need to give her an object lesson in how to keep a house clean and in good condition
06:09 <GodTodd> we have it posted on the fridge even
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> isn't tommy about 8?
06:10 <GodTodd> yep turned 8 last month
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I had it in my head he's about the same age as my daughter
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> second grade in the fall?
06:10 <GodTodd> third
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so a year ahead in school years but chronologically only 6 months older
06:10 <GodTodd> he started school at 5 yrs 2 months
06:10 <GodTodd> right
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand, my older son is a year and half younger chronologically, but a year behind in school years (relation to my daughter)
06:11 <GodTodd> born in the summer?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep, we just celebrated his 6 birthday
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> next month the younger son turns 3 :)
06:12 <GodTodd> wow...
06:12 <GodTodd> conor turns 5 months on monday
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha, she's reading while she walks over to put the book away
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> she is *so* my daughter :)
06:12 <GodTodd> lol
06:12 <GodTodd> sounds like the way i was too
06:12 <GodTodd> :D
06:13 <GodTodd> tommy wants to play guitar and piano....need to find a place that does good lessons
06:13 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> I better get to bed early so I can start up boot camp in the morning, haha
06:13 <GodTodd> heh
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> not this early, of course. The sun only went down a couple of hours ago
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I really need to get the allen wrenches I need to straighten out my daughter's guitar
06:14 <GodTodd> oh....i got me a cheap guitar set....nothing fancy but should work for learning :D
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> and I really need to put $150 together to get my older son a guitar.  He really wants one, and I feel kinda guilty saying we don't have the money for one when I've got a guitar and bass sitting in the living room
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> I let him play mine, though.  :)
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> so what kind of guitar did you wind up getting?
06:15 <GodTodd> heh...just one of those cheap throw-away first act thingies
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> fender?  gibson?  washburn?
06:16 <GodTodd> i figure if i stick with it and get decent i'll get a real guitar
06:16 <GodTodd> nah no name brand....first act...like the type you get at walmart
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm a bit of a guitar snob, but I wouldn't buy one of those.  :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter has a Fender ;)
06:17 <GodTodd> well....you know how to play too :P
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I think I do :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna try to get this icecast broadcaster built again, I've got a cool bass line I want someone to hear
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> drums, too
06:18 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:20 <GodTodd> of course....i know a _little_ guitar....i used to have an acoustic.....that got left behind in arizona in 97 tho :/
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want this bass line to be the main theme for armagetron :)
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you know, I carried that old acoustic around for a long time
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> you remember that little one I used to have?
06:22 <GodTodd> yeah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> wound up carving my name in the side and giving it to someone.  Told him to learn how to play it, then when he finds someone who wants to learn,
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> carve his name in it and give it to the guy
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> it would be interesting to see that guitar in 50 years
06:23 <GodTodd> sure would
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06:26 <Lucifer_arma> fine, since the gentoo package won't build I downloaded it from xiph
06:28 <anjori> lucifer, did you ever get my namelist?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so
06:29 <anjori> http://anjori.com/random/anjori.txt
06:29 <anjori> spidey: name list updated.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, update if you haven't, I had to change the spelling of Lucifer in mine
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know, but Lucifer is a protected name on z-man's server
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
06:30 <anjori> to lucifur? yeah, i was here when it was mentioned. updated it manually
06:31 <anjori> i hear nothing!
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, having trouble with aumix
06:33 <anjori> i have yet to find easy/feature-rich streaming software for nix. when i was on win, my roomate and i ran this small online radio station. the software was awesome. did automatic crossfading, would make sure songs weren't played within x amount of time of each other, could switch over to a predefined list at a certain time
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, ices2 supports scripts generating playlists
06:34 <anjori> i've heard of icecast, but i want something that does more than just make the feed available
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> check out some of the broadcasters available for icecast anyway
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's all the *server* does
06:34 <anjori> when we first started, we were using shoutcast with a winamp playlist. that quickly became less than ideal
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> but you need another program called a broadcaster that generates the stream for the server
06:35 <anjori> right. i dont mean to confuse server and DJing software.
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> the features you want are in the broadcaster :)
06:35 <anjori> fine. i've found plenty of things as servers. nothing that incorporates mixing and scheduling on top of them, though.
06:37 <anjori> thing is, i want to do it lazyily. other than special blocks, for "general play" i want the software to decide what gets played itself, and not have to generate a list first.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, emerging shit again :(
06:39 <anjori> hear it now
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm having to get another mixer installed so I can play the drums for you too :)
06:43 <anjori> brb. smoke break
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd 
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> did you connect to my stream yet?
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06:49 <GodTodd> working on it
06:49 <Stewie-arma> on what?
06:49 <GodTodd> hmmm...i don't hear it
06:50 <anjori> because he's not playing right now :P
06:50 <GodTodd> ahhh...that would explain it haha
06:50 <Stewie-arma> who isn't?
06:51 <anjori> you
06:51 <Stewie-arma> oh I know
06:51 <anjori> heh
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06:52 <Stewie-arma> he can't here what?
06:52 <anjori> what's the proper way to check against an md5sum file, other than running it on the file and then checking the result against the md5 file manually?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> trying to get the damn thing to stream from a different source
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> see, if I only stream from the microphone, you don't hear the drums
06:52 <anjori> i tried md5sum -c file.md5sum file.iso  but that didnt seem to work
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: that is the proper way to check an md5sum
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's an iso?  I usually let k3b tell me the checksum and check it by hand
06:53 <anjori> err, i didnt explain that right in the first place 
06:53 <anjori> yeah, i know how to do md5sum file.iso and then check that against it manually, but i thought i could just have it check against the file itself
06:53 <anjori> not a biggie, anyway
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> I just want a mixer that'll let me set Master as the capture source!
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06:57 <anjori> i haven't quite figured out how to do that with kmix, either
06:57 <anjori> pain in the ass
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you can't with kmix, there's no figuring it out :)
06:58 <anjori> well, that's lame
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hear the drums now?
06:58 <anjori> hmm, it got stopped for some reason
06:58 <anjori> but yeah, i do now
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> now?
06:59 <anjori> and stopped
06:59 <anjori> now
06:59 <anjori> i do
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> bass?
06:59 <anjori> yep
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I forgot it already
07:02 <anjori> :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah well, I got it
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> some screwing around, bass is hard to solo with thouh, heh
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> shutting down the stream
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, did you hear the bass line I was trying?  It was easy to tell, it would be the thing I kept repeating
07:06 <GodTodd> yep
07:06 <anjori> yep. i was grooving to it :)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> that would be verse and prechorus, no chorus yet :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> I figure whatever the b-section sounds like is what the game shoudl startup with
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll take the basic stuff out of it and have it reappear in other in-game songs :)  (a main theme has to show up a lot, don't it?)
07:10 <anjori> is that what you guys are planning on adding--in-game music?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I'm planning on adding, anyway
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> sound engine needs a lot of work first, but I'm trying to get an idea what music I'll work on when the time comes
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo doesn't have a tuner?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine, I'll use my guitar tuner, but I don't trust it on my bass!
07:35 <GodTodd> my tuner does both
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I think I actually emerged ecasound on my server.  Oops
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> emerging now...
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, my guitar tuner is part of the effects processor
07:38 <GodTodd> ahhhh
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> so it's tuned for guitar frequencies (no pun intended)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> to get it to even hear the bass I have to tune on the 12-fret harmonic
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> even then it won't hear the low E-string, I have to tune that off the A string
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm gonna make some tea and piss while ecasound builds
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe ina  few minutes I'll jam my guitar to that bass line :)
07:39 <GodTodd> cool :)
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07:43 <Lucifer_arma> still building ecasound.  That's kind of a large program
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07:49 <spidey> i wish synaptic would tell you if you need a mysql database before installing something
07:49 <spidey> :/
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/60*8
07:50 <armabot> (120 / 60) * 8 = 16
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
07:51 <spidey> ?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> 120bpm/60 seconds should give me beats per second, right?  because I'm dividing out minutes?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60
07:51 <armabot> ((120 / 1) * 1) / 60 = 2
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, it's just an even number
07:51 <spidey> um
07:52 <spidey> 120beats a minute
07:52 <spidey> it'd be times 60 wouldn't it?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60 * 24
07:52 <armabot> (((120 / 1) * 1) / 60) * 24 = 48
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60 * 24 * 4
07:52 <armabot> (((120 / 1) * 1) / 60) * 24 * 4 = 192
07:52 <GodTodd> nah....120 bpm == 2 bps cuz 60 bpm == 1 bps
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07:58 <spidey_> er
07:58 <spidey_> i don't get it
07:58 <spidey_> :/
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07:59 <spidey_> ok lets try this a different way O.o
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08:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <--- having trouble getting it to loop, though
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08:06 <spidey_> it worked  that time O.o
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 24 measures
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 4 beats per measure
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 120bpm
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4
08:10 <armabot> 24 * 4 = 96
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4 * 120/60
08:10 <armabot> (24 * 4 * 120) / 60 = 192
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> right, but 192 doesn't loop smoothly
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*4 * 120/60
08:10 <armabot> (2 * 4 * 120) / 60 = 16
08:12 <Your_mom_arma> trying to build from svn, checked out https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8 now how do i compile?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System   <--- did you read this yet?
08:15  * Your_mom_arma starts reading
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*4 * 1/2
08:16 <armabot> (2 * 4 * 1) / 2 = 4
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4 * 1/2
08:16 <armabot> (24 * 4 * 1) / 2 = 48
08:16 <spidey_> what are you trying to do?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> yay, it loops
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
08:22 <GodTodd> hrmm...it's not connecting
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> not connecting to the stream?
08:22 <GodTodd> nope
08:22 <GodTodd> it keeps trying tho
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmmm
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> refresh the page and try to connect to what
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> s there now
08:23 <GodTodd> ok...it's counting time now
08:23 <GodTodd> yep
08:23 <GodTodd> good to go now :D
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahahaha
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> fingers are tired
08:38 <GodTodd> :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> can't figure out a rhythm guitar part I like, though
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5793 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (Makefile.am src/Makefile.am):
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed version generation under "make distcheck" and of course in a real
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: release.
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: how goes the build?
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08:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ph* [seen joda_bot]
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ph* yeah, I thought about the tFormula thing, I guess we'll have to do that
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:58 <wrtlprnft> #notes ph*
08:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> joda_bot was last seen in #armagetron 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <joda_bot> #notes and Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> yeah, I thought about the tFormula thing, I guess we'll have to do that
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5205150.stm   <--- looks like an invasion to me
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5794 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5784 to 5793:
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5793 | z-man | 2006-07-22 08:39:09 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 3 lines
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed version generation under "make distcheck" and of course in a real
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  release.
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:10 <Your_mom_arma> i gave up for now, going to get to it later
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14:18 <armabot> spidey: pwnt
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14:21 <god> wtf
14:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:22 <god> #herald add #armagetron god wrtlprnft deja_vu__ deja_vu_ deja_vu
14:22 <armabot> god: Error: I can't find god in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
14:22 <god> O.o
14:22 <deja_vu__> ..
14:22 <wrtlprnft> god == spidey :D
14:22 <deja_vu__> good for you
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14:23 <wrtlprnft> 14:22 -!- god [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com]
14:23 <god> brb
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14:23 -!- spidey is now known as god
14:23 <god> here we go
14:23 <god> er
14:23 -!- god is now known as spidey
14:25 <spidey> #herald add #armagetron spidey deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft 
14:25 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
14:25 <spidey> ;D
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14:25 <deja_vu> >:(
14:25 <spidey> :(
14:25 <spidey> hmm
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14:25 <armabot> deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft
14:26  * deja_vu glues spidey to a traffic light
14:26 <spidey> ;F
14:26 <spidey> ;D
14:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #unload Herald please
15:28 <guru3> "i bet you can't dodge this"
15:28 <guru3> "chink- grenade"
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15:49 <madmax|pt> hi
15:49 <philippeqc> hi
15:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft, so it's ok for you to have one that highlights my name everytime you join,but it's not for me to have one that highlights yourname?
15:52 <spidey> fuck that
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16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: mine doesn't do anything
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16:08 <spidey> of course not if you remove it
16:12 <wrtlprnft> remove what?
16:13 <spidey> ...
16:14 <spidey> i thought i had bad memory
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16:37 <madmax|pt> hi lack
16:37 <Lackadaisical> hey max
16:38 <Lackadaisical> are you gonna play tonight?
16:39 <madmax|pt> i probably can't
16:40 <Lackadaisical> oh  ok
16:40 <madmax|pt> i don't know for sure though
16:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5800 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ (eGameObject.cpp eGameObject.h): Added storing place for extra lag caused by lazy simulation.
16:43 <madmax|pt> i'll say something if i can, seems like there's only 3 for now ><
16:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5801 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added DEDICATED_FPS_IDLE_FACTOR, controlling the maximum length of pauses the game code makes when waiting for network data.
16:45 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5802 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): Added "Stop simulation, we don't have enough information to proceed!" exception.
16:45 <spidey> play tonight? O.o
16:45 <Lackadaisical> yeah.. i guess we can find more people
16:45 <Lackadaisical> like... spidey!
16:45 <spidey> like....what!?!
16:46 <Lackadaisical> sp wants to play a match against aw tonight
16:46 <spidey> hell yea!
16:46 <spidey> can i can i can i ;D
16:47 <madmax|pt> wasnt AW supposed to be a non-clan thing?
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5803 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h):
16:47 <spidey> ?
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Factored position prediction code into own function, it's now called from gCycle::Timestep, no longer TimestepCore(), where it will always be called so the wall prediction is always active.
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: When a prediction wall is hit, the new simulation stopping exception type is thrown.
16:47 <madmax|pt> are u still in mbc?
16:47 <spidey> kinda
16:47 <Lackadaisical> wasn't psyko in aw and sp at the same time?
16:47 <spidey> lol
16:48 <madmax|pt> heh, didnt he "leave" after the ... arising of sp?
16:48 <Lackadaisical> i know aw isn't a clan, but i don't know if they are against clans
16:49 <Lackadaisical> the wiki says 'everyone is welcome'
16:50 <madmax|pt> true, but i always thought the main idea was it to be a group of non-clan players
16:50 <spidey> what's a clan?
16:50 <spidey> a group of people? ;)
16:50 <madmax|pt> lol
16:50 <madmax|pt> let me note i don't mind spidey playing
16:51  * spidey notes he won't play as spidey if he does get to play
16:52 <spidey> AND......
16:52 <spidey> i'ma make a hamburger,brb
16:58 <spidey> fuck
16:58 <spidey> i just realized it's 9am!
16:58 <spidey> i thought it was 9pm :/
16:58 <spidey> #time
16:58 <armabot> spidey: 09:58 AM, July 22, 2006
16:58 <madmax|pt> thats not good
16:58 <spidey> well
16:58 <spidey> 10am
16:58 <spidey> ya that means i gained awhole nother day
16:59 <Lackadaisical> how?
16:59 <spidey> O.o
16:59 <spidey> how?
16:59 <spidey> i have blankets covering my windows ;D
16:59 <spidey> and my pc clock is 12 hours off
16:59 <spidey> heh
16:59 <Lackadaisical> haha jeez
16:59 <Lackadaisical> why do you have blankets covering the windows?
17:00 <spidey> help keep the heat out
17:00 <spidey> no sun = less heat
17:00 <spidey> and it's a hot mofo
17:13 <spidey> mmm
17:14 <spidey> let me be the first to note
17:15 <spidey> touching a 350 degree surface fucking hurts
17:15 <spidey> ggkthnxbbq
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5804 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (engine/eSensor.cpp tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): More precise collision detection: sensors take the speed of their owner into account and test whether obstacles will be solid by the time the owner could reach them, not whether they are solid now.
18:00 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
18:06 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/endofworld/ when do you think the end of the world will be? ;x
18:08 <Lackadaisical> (2012!)
18:09 <spidey> O.o
18:10 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
18:28 <philippeqc> spidey, there are no values for now to (first date mentionned)
18:45 <wrtlprnft> for some reason my opera is eating 100% CPU :S
18:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5805 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (engine/eSensor.cpp engine/eSensor.h tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Refined sensor speed, it is now only active on request, and the rubber sensor requests it.
18:58 <wrtlprnft> does that last commit mean that the time_to_impact data thingies will respect lag?
19:02 <z-man> time_to_impact?
19:02 <z-man> Was that in gAIBase?
19:03 <z-man> The main thing it means is that the rubber code has gotten that extra bit frame time independant
19:04 <z-man> previously, it counted whether a wall was in front of the cycle right now
19:04 <z-man> and now, it counts whether the cycle will actually hit that wall if it goes on
19:04 <wrtlprnft> time_to_impact_* as cockpit data sources
19:04 <z-man> which makes the sampling differences between frames smaller.
19:05 <wrtlprnft> returns the time it'll take the cycle to reach the next wall
19:05 <wrtlprnft> will that be affected (ie predicted?)
19:05 <z-man> no, that's not affected.
19:05 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
19:05 <wrtlprnft> because it uses sensors
19:05 <z-man> Shouldn't it work right already?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> well
19:05 <wrtlprnft> it currently gives you the time to the next wall that's in existance
19:06 <wrtlprnft> so if someone drives in front of you the time_to_impact will jump
19:06 <z-man> Ah. No, walls are not predicted on the client.
19:06 <z-man> Currently, the predicted walls would also be displayed, and we can't have that :)
19:06 <wrtlprnft> ok, it just sounds so nice and fancy
19:07 <z-man> Maybe we'll get it some time.
19:07 <wrtlprnft> I'd prefer getting different prediction settings
19:07 <wrtlprnft> (lag prediction)
19:07 <wrtlprnft> one for display and one for the engine
19:08 <z-man> Yeah
19:09 <z-man> so you get your acceleration when you're grinding predicted correctly no matter whether the other cycle itself is displayed predicted or not.
19:09 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:10 <wrtlprnft> let me check, I'd like to change the camera to look at the "known" position no matter if the cycle is predicted or not
19:10 <wrtlprnft> ie the same as the centre of the lagometer
19:10 <wrtlprnft> so the camera doesn't jump like crazy if you watch somebody else
19:10 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma configure.ac is making trouble :( I get autoheader-2.59: warning: missing template: HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND | autoheader-2.59: Use AC_DEFINE([HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND], [], [Description])
19:10 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
19:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: that would be difficult right now
19:11 <wrtlprnft> why?
19:11 <wrtlprnft> the lagometer knows the right location
19:11 <z-man> because both cycles, the non-predicted and the predicted, would need to get simulated
19:12 <wrtlprnft> are you talking about the display or camera thing?
19:12 <z-man> The really last known good position is only transmitted once a second or so
19:12 <z-man> the camera
19:12 <wrtlprnft> but where
19:12 <wrtlprnft> 's the lagometer then?
19:12 <z-man> that's only estimated
19:13 <wrtlprnft> oh, so it'll still jump at turns?
19:13 <z-man> that's why it doesn't change shape when you play with multiple axes
19:13 <wrtlprnft> right, nvm, now i understand
19:13 <wrtlprnft> right after you turn the lagometer has its centre on some point away from any wall
19:13 <z-man> It would be possilbe, invisible cycles aren't that much of a problem, but quite messy
19:14 <z-man> It has?
19:14 <z-man> ah, with prediction enabled.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> so the camera would still jump
19:16 <z-man> yes
19:16 <z-man> but maybe not as much
19:16 <z-man> perhaps it is worth a try?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> which one now?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> the camera or the display one?
19:19 <z-man> The camera
19:20 <z-man> That even if you have prediction enabled, the camera's center is taken to be the best known estimate for the cylce's non-jumping position
19:20 <z-man> the current position minus direction times speed times lag.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> ie the point where it would be if prediction was disabled
19:20 <z-man> right
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that already exists, it doesn't take turns into account tho
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that's what's used to draw the lagometer (which will have its tip at the position of the cycle)
19:25 <z-man> It exists? I know nothing of it :)
19:25 <wrtlprnft> doesn't as a function
19:25 <wrtlprnft> but the lagometer has to use it to work
19:26 <z-man> ah, ok
19:27  * z-man is off to cook dinner
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5806 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5793 to 5805:
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5805 | z-man | 2006-07-22 18:55:27 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 1 line
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  Refined sensor speed, it is now only active on request, and the rubber sensor requests it.
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5804 | z-man | 2006-07-22 17:29:37 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 1 line
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19:44 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
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20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong
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20:41 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: http://beta.armagetronad.net/ doesn't work for me
20:43 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: thanks for letting me know-- what problem is it having?
20:44 <Vanhayes> it just won't load, and shows this error 
20:44 <Vanhayes> You tried to access the address http://beta.armagetronad.net/, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Check that the setup of any Internet security software is correct and does not interfere with ordinary Web browsing.
20:44 <Vanhayes> If you are behind a firewall on a Local Area Network and think this may be causing problems, talk to your systems administrator.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Try pressing the F12 key on your keyboard and disabling proxy servers, unless you know that you are required to use a proxy to connect to the Internet. Reload the page.
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21:15 <foofoofoo> anyone field a silly noob question?
21:15 <philippeqc> what do you have in mind foofoofoo 
21:16 <foofoofoo> I can't figure out what the white triangle line around a lightcycle represents.  
21:16 <philippeqc> the zone of incertitude
21:16 <foofoofoo> Ah, having to do with ping latency?
21:16 <philippeqc> yes
21:17 <foofoofoo> Thanks.  That helps.  I guess asking how one uses that to advantage is a strategy question...
21:17 <foofoofoo> One more - any way to tell if a player is an AI or a real player? 
21:18 <philippeqc> humm, Im no great strategist, but keeping out of it helps you staying alive in case of discordance between what you see and what the server consider the thruth
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5807 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Fixed configure.ac, HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND was screwed up
21:19 <philippeqc> no, not to my knowledge. The AI names are program names. Depending on your background, Excell, Word and Notepad might be obvious if you know the Windows world, and gcc, gdb and emacs if you know the Unix world
21:19 <philippeqc> but of course, an admin can rename them for her server.
21:19 <Lackadaisical> AIs have 0 ping
21:20 <philippeqc> when you press the TAB key, you see the score sheet, which include the ping value for each players
21:20 <foofoofoo> Fair enough.  I was playing against the father in law, and all of a sudden he got *really good*, like a bot.  I was wondering if the program took over for him (outside of the yellow thing over the player when typing; I figure that out).  
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21:21 <philippeqc> beside the chat bot (driving when you type) there is no hook in the game to plugin a bot. But the source code being available, it is not to be excluded, if your father in law is able to code.
21:22 <foofoofoo> Doubt it.  
21:22 <foofoofoo> Thanks for the info.  I like this game.
21:22 <philippeqc> then he is good
21:22 <philippeqc> from all the team, thanks
21:23 <foofoofoo> Is there a concise gameplay web page that I have missed, that would explain the zone of incertitude and other less obvious points?  
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21:23 <philippeqc> humm, not really.
21:23 <foofoofoo> Ok then, thankfully there is IRC :) 
21:23 <philippeqc> the wiki (wiki.armagetronad.net) could sure use someone like you, to note down all the problems and question a new player encounter
21:24 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes: did you already tell SP that we aren't going to play? I asked earlier today if rain would play and he said he would and he would bring haylin too
21:24 <philippeqc> and the forum (forums.armagetronad.net) is good for questions
21:24 <Vanhayes> er ya I did 
21:24 <Vanhayes> I cant play at all something is messed up with my connection or something
21:25 <Vanhayes> and I only saw me you and 2020 on the list
21:25 <foofoofoo> philippeqc: if I find I am devoting a lot of time to the game, that is a resonable thing for me to go do.  I'm a programmer so you might guess I'm not the worlds best documenter... 
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21:25 <Lackadaisical> ah ok, oh well too bad
21:26 <philippeqc> who is! but if you are structured, and a new player, noting down all the question you have and the answer will be much better than what we have ;)
21:26 <Vanhayes> If sp's site had been up at all this week we might have gotten things set up but it just came back up again today
21:27 <philippeqc> and by starting to ask about everything, people will start to give you extra bits of information, and you will learn the game much faster
21:27 <philippeqc> ;)
21:28 <foofoofoo> I've been mainly playing with my son, 4... it is really helping his typing.
21:28 <Lackadaisical> I still don't seem to be able to visit their site.. what url are you using?
21:29 <philippeqc> I've tried to get my 7 year old neighborg interested... but to no success yet
21:29 <foofoofoo> wow, really?  the kids around here are all over it.  my 4 year old and a coworkers 6 year old; we all got a network game going... 
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21:30 <philippeqc> I havent given up yet 
21:30 <groundpig> hi
21:30 <Commn> groundpig :  can we get points for killing zombies? :p
21:30 <groundpig> it would seem unfair, as you've already gotten a point for killing them the first time
21:31 <foofoofoo> thanks for the new user info; gotta run
21:31 <philippeqc> but if you kill a teammates' zombie then ;)
21:31 <philippeqc> ok cya foofoofoo 
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21:31 <philippeqc> groundpig: dont change anything, its good as it is
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's the other white meat!  Hi groundpig !
21:32 <groundpig> hi lucifer, haven't seen you in a while
21:32 <luke-jr_> groundpig: spidey wanted your config
21:32 <philippeqc> he's a transgenic groundpig ! 
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> havent' played much the last week or so
21:32 <groundpig> maybe i'll start another thread in the mod section, the new patch i have is much improved over the old version there
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> if god didn't want us to eat pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat
21:33 <groundpig> hehe
21:33 <philippeqc> so true.... so true....
21:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: work now?
21:33 <Commn> groundpig : what about suicide/death zones to kill enemy zombies too?
21:34 <luke-jr_> If God wanted us to eat pigs, they wouldn't taste horrible
21:34 <luke-jr_> I propose that we should eat pings instead
21:34 <philippeqc> so god WANTs us to eat pig then as they taste so delicious
21:34 <philippeqc> so does horse meat
21:34 <groundpig> large pings are unhealthy, whereas large pigs are delicious
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a marinade that'll make luke-jr_ taste like ambrosia
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> so is the heat wave still going for the rest of you guys?
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> those guys are smoking crack!
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> look at this:
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/local/78717?from=hp_promolocator1&lswe=78717&lwsa=Weather36HourInterstateCommand
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> but my thermometer says it's 82 F
21:40 <philippeqc> groundpig: wait, I forgot how to log
21:40 <philippeqc>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
21:40 <philippeqc>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
21:41 <groundpig> hmm, pig says what?
21:41 <philippeqc> ok got it
21:44 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ya it works now
21:44 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical: http://recoding.net/speedclan/index.php
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21:45 <Lackadaisical> doesn't work
21:45 <Vanhayes> hmm weird works fine for me
21:47 <madmax|pt> i guess im able to play, how many people you guys got?
21:48 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical has enough together I think 
21:49 <Vanhayes> lack, rain, hay linn, 2020, and you
21:49 <Lackadaisical> well if sp isnt gonna come..
21:49 <Vanhayes> Im not sure how reliable their forums are, most probly havent seen the post
21:49 <Lackadaisical> spidey wanted to play too, i think, he doesnt know we are playing at 2000 gmt though
21:49 <Vanhayes> I posted it less than an hour ago
21:50 <Vanhayes> 20:00 is in 15 minutes right?
21:50 <Lackadaisical> yes
21:50 <Vanhayes> ok judt making sure
21:50 <Commn> where are you playing what?
21:50 <Vanhayes> just*
21:51 <Vanhayes> commn=compn=kama?
21:51 <Commn> yes
21:51 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical: O ya I think I forgot to say where it is happening
21:51 <Commn> diff pc .
21:51 <Vanhayes> heh ok
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21:52 <Vanhayes> Commn: fortress match between AW and SPwas set for today
21:52 <Lackadaisical> oh psyko only has 5 too
21:52 <Vanhayes> ok
21:53 <Vanhayes> looks like I might be the only one who can get to their forums, Im the only one who has been on in the last half hour
21:53 <Vanhayes> no one has probly seen the post
21:54 <Compn1> so uh
21:55 <Compn1> good luck
21:55 <Compn1> maybe i can sub for someone ;p
21:55 <Compn1> hehe
21:56 <Lackadaisical> yeah i dont know if 2020 is gonna come
21:56 <Lackadaisical> i havent seen him
21:57 <Vanhayes> sweety my client froze as soon as I got in Bugfarm
21:57 <Vanhayes> sweet* no y....
21:57 <madmax|pt> how come sp doesnt show up if they asked for it
21:58 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: am I still in bugfarm?
21:58 <madmax|pt> no
21:58 <Compn1> i think the clans arent so prepared :(
21:58 <Vanhayes> ok
21:59 <Compn1> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Wraith_Squadron
21:59 <Compn1> our team has practice tho :)
21:59 <Compn1> we are ready!
21:59 <Vanhayes> heh they should be at least more prepared than a team called Anarchic wanderers
21:59 <Lackadaisical> they are there
21:59 <Lackadaisical> kami is gonna play?
21:59 <Compn1> what server?
21:59 <madmax|pt> 4 SPs
21:59 <Lackadaisical> zmans tournament
21:59 <madmax|pt> not bad
21:59 <madmax|pt> lol
21:59 <Compn1> you need me to play?
21:59 <Lackadaisical> if they get five.. and 2020 isnt gonna show up
21:59 <Vanhayes> z-mans tournament=zman's ladle?
22:00 <Lackadaisical> yeah he renamed it i think
22:00 <Compn1> o wait, i got too many torrents
22:00 <Compn1> hehe
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22:34 <Compn1> lol
22:34 <Compn1> sp vs aw is short a few people
22:34 <Compn1> arent the ladle matches supposed to be 8 on 8?
22:38 <Vanhayes> it isnt a ladle match just a match
22:39 <Vanhayes> sort of like an exhibtion game
22:39 <Compn1> ah
22:39 <Compn1> i was confused ;p
22:39 <Compn1> you still got enough ppl?
22:39  * Compn1 is afk in a few mins anyhow
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22:42 <Vanhayes> I have no idea, I think it might be over by now
22:42 <Self_Destructo> Hey guys...
22:42 <wrtlprnft> omg
22:43 <Self_Destructo> ?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> i just killed pig sty
22:43 <Self_Destructo> lol
22:43 <Self_Destructo> ?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> infact it's Joe's fault
22:45 <wrtlprnft> he typed Luke_Jr instead of Luke-Jr 
22:48 <Self_Destructo> Ok, my server has been upgraded to 0.2.8.2 finally
22:49 <Self_Destructo> both .1 and .2 are very buggy....?
22:50 <Self_Destructo> I was wondering id it was possible for someone else to take the settings to my server and try to figure out if it is the settings that cause the wall bugs to happen
22:50 <Self_Destructo> is anyone here willing?
22:53 <Self_Destructo> no one?
22:54 <Self_Destructo> man, you guys probably hardly ever test your bug fixes and stuff with high speed and rubber settings do you guys?
22:55 <Self_Destructo> because the more fortress bugs you fix, the more high speed and rubber guys complain about bugs.
22:56 <Self_Destructo> ok, don't talk to me then
23:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/Clones/Puckmap-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
23:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: I hope it's OK i copied your map
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I won't
23:10 <Self_Destructo> #nickometer ~"XzL.Destructo
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> but you guys with high speed and rubber settings need to get involved with the testing process
23:10 <Self_Destructo> haha
23:10 <Self_Destructo> ok, i wish I could
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> we can only test so many configurations on our own, and we're going to test the ones we play
23:11 <Self_Destructo> i understand
23:11 <Self_Destructo> hrmm...
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> so if people don't get involved in a PUBLIC beta testing process, they should find someone who cares to complain to :)
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what bugs are you talking about?  Post your settings.  You didn't exactly give us much to work with....
23:12 <Self_Destructo> well, I would say more, but I can't because I don't play anymore... all I get is people griping
23:12 <Self_Destructo> okkk...
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> tell them to make recordings and post them :)
23:12  * Lucifer_arma notes that one of the purposes of the recording system is so we (and server admins) can say "Send a recording" when people bitch
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> and if they don't send a recording...
23:13 <Self_Destructo> ok, thanks for the tips
23:23 <Self_Destructo> ok, I added the server settings...
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23:40 <Lucifer_arma> mmm, I just made a soy-sesame dip for my spring rolls.  I hope it's good :)
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23:53 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good uml modeling tool?
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