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Log from 2006-06-12:
--- Day changed Mon Jun 12 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it was more fun when she was 25 :)
00:00 <GodTodd> heh
00:00 <GodTodd> i can't say that...my wife's 32 :(
00:01 <GodTodd> and we've only been married 2.5 years
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, there really are men that use their age and experience to seduce young women against their will, and sometimes I wish I was one of them...
00:01 <GodTodd> though i'm about to have an 8 year old kid....
00:02 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:02 <GodTodd> *long gestation period* :D
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fact that the math works out for our kids doesn't help us to avoid evil judgement
00:03 <GodTodd> judgement IS evil
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> people seem to be more willing to believe my wife's 20 or younger and my daughter's 10, and the math don't work out on that
00:03 <GodTodd> nope
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this canadian girl I worked with, ummm, yeah.  She thought all Texans were hicks.
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> She asked me one time how long I'd been married, and I told her, and she asked for ages, and I told her
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> While she was doing the math in her head, I said "Yeah, she was my sister before we were married, our momma said it ws alright"
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> poor girl
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:05 <GodTodd> heh
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> she believed me, too, damn canuck
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> told her she was only my half-sister technically, but my dad had married her cousin or something like that
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> just some crazy shit I made up, you know how that stuff goes, haha
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> canadians = gullible
00:06 <GodTodd> i take it you weren't working at a job as a rocket scientist with her ;)
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> (where's vanhayes when I'm trashing canadians?"
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, she was selling software and I was her tech support ass
00:07 <spidey> and you say i'm in the incest state
00:07 <spidey> psssh
00:07 <GodTodd> thought that was west virginia...
00:07 <spidey> no it's arkansas
00:07 <spidey> lol
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> tennessee, west virginia, what's the difference?
00:07 <spidey> :/
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> if the appalachians touch it and it was a slave state, you're inbred
00:08 <GodTodd> lol
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> if Mississippi is 3 syllables to you, you're an inbred
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> thats classic
00:09 <spidey> it's 4 :/
00:09 <spidey> and what about texas? >:P
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> ?  if texas was full of inbreds, do you really think Bush would be pushing immigration reform like he is?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> see, he's just afraid of what's going to happen when mexicans outnumber white people here
00:10 <spidey> texas was once part of mexico though
00:10 <GodTodd> was gonna say....we have too much mexican influx to be inbred
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> texas has some beautiful mexican women in it :)
00:11 <GodTodd> yepyep
00:11  * spidey really don't see why anyone would want to live in a state that's 3/4 desert
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> mexican women in New Mexico just don't compare, do they?
00:11 <GodTodd> hell no
00:11  * Lucifer_arma doesn't see how that 3/4 desert figure applies to texas
00:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: he's not pushing immigration per se
00:11 <Luke-Jr> he's pushing a North American Union government
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, here comes Luke-Jr to redefine every word in the english language until I tell him he's right
00:12 <spidey> lol
00:12 <Luke-Jr> making the U.S., Mexico, and Canada a single country
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> look, as long as we get to move the capitol of Texas to Mexico City, I'll do whatever he wants
00:12 <[NP]Tangent> mexico ftw!
00:12 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> I vote move the capitol of texas
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> that way the us doesn't have to deal with it anymore
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> :P
00:13 <spidey> hahahaha
00:13 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:13 <Luke-Jr> I think you missed the point
00:13 <Luke-Jr> there wouldn't be a "U.S." anymore
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> I vote secession, conquerin Mexico, and then humbling the US
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> I vote that colorado takes over the world
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> man, if Texas seceded, the rest of hte us would plunge into a depression
00:13 <Luke-Jr> you know, the Confederates were in the right
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> once we get rid of the idiot politicians here
00:14 <Luke-Jr> if states could secede at will, the federal gov't wouldn't be so corrupt, likely
00:14 <GodTodd> sam houston once said, Texas could survive without the US, but the US wouldn't make it without Texas. or something like that
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, see, the civil war is just like the napster court case
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> if they hadn't picked the fight they did pick over the issues at stake, they would have been in the right
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> but since they picked the fight they picked, they were in the wrong
00:15 <Luke-Jr> no, you're missing the part where the winner rewrites the history of the conflict
00:15 <Luke-Jr> to make it look like the winner was right
00:15 <Luke-Jr> slavery wasn't that big an issue especially right before the end
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> deciding that states should be self-deterministic on the basis of slavery in a so-called free nation is just the wrong fight to have over state's rights
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> the issue was state's rights, but slavery was the catalyst
00:16 <Luke-Jr> slavery was on its way out, without bloodshed
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> if they had seceded over the trade tariff, then they would have been in the right, undoubtedly
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> just like if napster hadn't made money off the copyright infringement...
00:16 <Luke-Jr> slavery was only brought out near the end by the Federal gov't to justify themselves
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> sure it didn't have to do with the mainline republican platform being to ban slavery, and the election of a republican president?
00:17 <Luke-Jr> it wasn't what the war was started or fought over
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> why should we wait for the president to screw up to impeach him i say we follow the presidents example and make a pre emptive strike
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, he might start talking sense and invade mexico, shut up
00:17 <Luke-Jr> he'll just make a joint government with Mexico
00:18 <GodTodd> hell....we should have taken mexico a long ass time ago
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> he wouldn't know how to make a joint if you gave him a how-to guide
00:18 <Luke-Jr> heh
00:18 <Luke-Jr> well, both sides will 'gain'
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> man's a coke fiend.  give him a mirror and a razor and we'll be in mexico tomorrow
00:18 <GodTodd> nah...for a 'joint' government we need clinton again
00:18 <Luke-Jr> Mexico's gain will be their economy being merged with ours
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> our gain will be the beautiful mexican women :)
00:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: tell that to your wife
00:19 <spidey> hahahaha
00:19 <GodTodd> with all their oil that economic merger would be our gain as well
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> my wife knows damn well I have a sweet spot for mexican women :)
00:19  * Luke-Jr hopes she slaps you when you lust after them
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, she usually takes advantage of me being horny to get what she wants from me
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> which is another situation where we both gain )
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> :)
00:20  * [NP]Tangent turns this conversation around
00:20 <[NP]Tangent> poopstick!
00:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:20 <spidey> heh
00:20 <Your_mom_arma> :/
00:20 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:20 <GodTodd> jealousy is a sign of insecurity
00:20 <Luke-Jr> X-Files movie was pretty good
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> down with...what's his name?  Valenti?  vicente?  That's it.  Down with Vicente!
00:21 <GodTodd> fucking ants
00:21 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: eww, don't do that
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how Luke-Jr can actually conceive of a penis small enough to fuck ants...
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's something beyond my experience...
00:21 <Luke-Jr> are you sure I'm not conceiving of the concept of large ants? ;)
00:22 <Luke-Jr> besides, GodTodd is the one trying it
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose if you covered your penis with honey and sat on an ant pile, you might be....ummm......OUCH
00:22 <GodTodd> sure...i'm having intercourse with ants....k
00:22 <GodTodd> that would hurt a bit, luci
00:22 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:22 <Luke-Jr> just for the record
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> dont' use vaseline, use ky jelly.  The vaseline clogs their poor pores
00:23 <Luke-Jr> this convo is why I don't read my backlog :)
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> I read my backlog...
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> skim it anyway
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> and only what's i the buffer at present, it's somehwat limited actually
00:24 <Luke-Jr> my buffer is very limited
00:24 <Luke-Jr> I do keep logs, however
00:24 <Luke-Jr> I have 5 PgUps here
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, armabot keeps good logs, but I don't go through those
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> I have 1000KB in my irc client
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> I usually only read armabot's logs after I've ignored Luke-Jr and it looks like he's having a semi-important conversation
00:26 <GodTodd> so....once a month? ;)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> give or take :)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> the limiting factor is the frequency at which it looks like he's having a semi-important conversation
00:26 <Luke-Jr> scrollback lines; 250 here
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00:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5066538.stm  <--- time to put Star Trek IV on heavy rotation
00:32 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar_ is now known as [Xpert]DarkStar
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> save the whales collect the whole set
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Conservative groups, including the influential Family Research Council (FRC), have voiced concerns that immunising young girls against the virus that most regularly causes cervical cancer, Human Papilloma- virus, may lead to sexual promiscuity."
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Here, take this immunization to prevent cancer, but don't be a slut!"
01:11 <GodTodd> maybe they think they'll get used to getting poked? 
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> i thought hpv was an std
01:13 <spidey> that's hiv
01:13 <spidey> man
01:14 <spidey> when i take a shower i always end up smelling like fruit
01:14 <GodTodd> 30 or so of the 100 strains are stds
01:14 <GodTodd> not all of them
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> not really important, as far as I'm concerned
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> protecting someone against the dangers of sex isn't any different than having them wear a seatbelt, or a helmet on a motorcycle
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> nor is it any different from having health inspectors go through the restaurant to make sure they're not feeding people to people
01:33 <Your_mom_arma> im sure some human meat has made it into the system
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> cannibalism cures obesity
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01:44 <spidey> this sucks :/
01:48 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: awake?
01:49 <z-man> A, nvm, found your tag
01:49 <z-man> Yes, it's correct
01:51 <spidey> z-man, lucifer said he was leaving the internet and never coming back,haven't seen him since
01:52  * z-man thinks that is not very funny
01:52 <z-man> :)
01:52 <spidey> :p
01:52  * spidey is just bored since nemo and mom left fortress :(
01:52 <guru3> tough i guess
01:52 <guru3> i'm stuck at work
01:52 <spidey> best few matches on that server in a long ass time
01:53 <spidey> believe it or not,the server was actually moron free apart from me xD
01:53 <spidey> but i'm special so i don't count :p
01:53  * spidey pokes guru
01:54 <spidey> "warning!  burn4free freezes if you try to load 2.4 gigs of audio at one tim"
01:54 <guru3> lol
01:56  * spidey is burning fortress music cause i fucked something up now when i use this adapter thingy so i can play music on my stereo it sounds like shit
01:56 <spidey> :(
01:59 <spidey> remind me never to rip music from a scratched cd
01:59 <spidey> now i've got mp3 files with half of one song and alf of the other
02:00 <guru3> haha
02:02  * spidey likes that his stereo plays music burnt in data format
02:02 <spidey> it saves alot of cds seeing as i can fit 700mb of music instead of only 80 minutes
02:09 <spidey> woot 68 songs burnt and playing now i'ma go pwn fortress
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeh, I'm still beating around z-man
02:11 <spidey> lies
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeh, I'm still beating around, z-man  <--- better?
02:15 <spidey> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
02:15 <spidey> fucking keyboard
02:17 <z-man> I don't know :) I updated my trunk test release to the revision you gave and testing with that.
02:17 <z-man> I haven't updated the build scripts to Joda's rearrangements, so I don't know what will happen.
02:21 <z-man> Ah, of course, armagetronad/win32 isn't included in the tarball. And it's gone in the old location. So the zip source doesn't contain it either.
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, if you'd rather move it to a branch maybe that's what I should have done in the first place
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> so in the future, should I be copying the whole trunk directory, or just get specific subdirectories from the trunk?
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02:47 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: how do you talk someone out of making a bad website design decision?
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how much they're paying me :)
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's the bad website design decision?
02:48 <guru3> putting the additional help information before they need the help
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> additional help = contact information?
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> email, tech support, phone number, sales support, whatever?
02:49 <guru3> no like if you have a bunch of options on a page
02:49 <guru3> and what they are may not be clear
02:50 <guru3> info on what those options ar
02:50 <guru3> e
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's the guideline for all webpage design.  :)  You probably know it already...
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> most readers only scan headings and stop to read when something looks interesting.  This is doubly true for help pages.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> So naturally you want the headings to reflect the content, and the reader will stop when he sees the one that looks like it'll be most helpful.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> make sense?  (and you alredy knew it, I hope?)
02:51 <guru3> the page isn't big enough for headings
02:51 <guru3> i mean
02:51 <guru3> how the hell do you have headings on a damn calender
02:51 <guru3> other than
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, calendar
02:51 <guru3> "Monday"
02:51 <guru3> "Tuesday"
02:51 <guru3> with links right on 'em
02:52 <guru3> is it just me or is putting before that "Click on the name of the day for more info."
02:52 <guru3> pretty stupid
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> <h1>Monday</h1><h2>This happens on Monday</h2><p>Go here for additional help</p>
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, never ever put text that tells people where to click
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> give users some credit for intelligence, man :)
02:52 <guru3> i would like to
02:52 <guru3> but my employer doesn't
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> make all links *look* like links, and you never have to say anything so stupid as "click on the day to see more info"
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's insulting, it really is.
02:53 <guru3> go figure
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> who's the target audience?  Is it just random web users, or is it people who already have a relationship with your employer?
02:53 <guru3> target audience is study participants
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> so they already have a relationship with you guys?
02:54 <guru3> i'm not really sure
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> as in, they've already talked to you, given names and stuff, and you know who they are?
02:54 <guru3> theoretically
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> the argument I'd make would be based on building a user interface the users are already familiar with so they don't ahve to waste time trying to figure out what I want them to do
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> web pages are user interface!  amazing how few people understand that.
02:55 <guru3> the catch is
02:55 <guru3> i suck at UIs
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> So the same reason you always put the File menu as the first on the left, you want links to look like links so people don't have to figure out where to click
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're good enough to know you shouldn't have to put instructions telling people to click on links :)
02:56 <guru3> but i can't convince my mom :/
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, good UI design = build a user interface the user already knows how to use using industry standard techniques
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> bad UI design = build some special user interface people have to learn how to use
02:56 <guru3> i don't think they're a industry standard interface for online calendars
02:57 <guru3> they're = there is
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> To decide when to do the latter, the basic question you have to ask is "Is the purpose of this page intrinsically linked to the user interface?"
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> or
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> "Is the user interface just something they have to use, but the purpose of the page is something else?"
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you were building a webpage to test a new javascript api for using webpages, then you want users to have to learn it
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> industry standard techniques is a nice little catchphrase you throw in that basically says "I know what I'm talking about"
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> Some googling will likely turn up resources that will support your case if you need it, but common sense should work fine on its own.  :)
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> I use the car analogy a lot for UI arguments.
02:58 <guru3> ok
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> When I buy a car from your company, do I need a sign on the dashboard that says "Insert key to start car"?
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, because I rleady know what an ignition switch and an ignition key is!
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't be in your car in the first place if I didn't know that, right?
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> same thing here.  If they didn't already know what links are, they wouldn't be on that page.
02:59 <guru3> that is clever
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> theoretically, maybe you're studying people that have never used a computer before, I don't know.
03:00 <guru3> but my main point is
03:00 <guru3> help before you need it
03:00 <guru3> is a bad idea
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's condescending at best
03:00 <guru3> but as a footnote
03:00 <guru3> it's ok right?
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> now, if the company's general attitude is condescending, then it's ok
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like footnotes mostly because people don't read them
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> however :)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> if that's the best compromise you can reach, then that's fine :)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> and if there's a general help page for all site help, then that's a good place for it (the user manual in the car analogy)
03:02 <guru3> hmm
03:02 <guru3> ok
03:02 <guru3> thanks
03:02  * Lucifer_arma notes that every car user manual he's read explained the different positions for hte igition key
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> anytime :)
03:02  * Lucifer_arma hopes it helps
03:04 <guru3> yese thankyou
03:04  * guru3 is now trying to figure out how to do folders in gmail
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04:38 <Luke-Jr> guru3: I think Google tries to discourage that ;)
04:39 <guru3> i can't just fill up the inbox :(
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04:41 <Luke-Jr> I don't like webmail
04:41 <Luke-Jr> so gmail's not an option for me ;)
04:43 <Luke-Jr> I would suggest just setting up your own mail server and such =p
05:12 <guru3> bah
05:12 <guru3> i'm out of anime now :(
05:45 <Luke-Jr> download TC
05:45 <Luke-Jr> or SEL
05:45 <guru3> TC?
05:45 <guru3> SEL?
05:45 <Luke-Jr> or Ranma
05:45 <Luke-Jr> Tsubasa Chronicle
05:45 <guru3> got TC
05:45 <Luke-Jr> Serial Experiments Lain
05:45 <guru3> no new eps in 2 weeks
05:45 <Luke-Jr> no new eps in 2 weeks?
05:46 <guru3> not from le/db
05:46 <Luke-Jr> ?
05:46 <guru3> live-evil/dattebayo
05:46 <guru3> ppl that have been translating them...
05:46 <Luke-Jr> I thought it was just starting again soon
05:46 <guru3> season 2 already started
05:46 <Luke-Jr> has been no new eps for months for me
05:46 <Luke-Jr> I'm on like ep 19
05:46 <Luke-Jr> or something
05:47 <guru3> it's @ 31 now
05:47 <Luke-Jr> taking my time and stuff
05:47 <Luke-Jr> seen SEL or Ranma?
05:47 <guru3> no
05:47 <Luke-Jr> Ranma will last a good 4 years or so
05:47 <guru3> only if it's possible to get the episodews
05:47 <Luke-Jr> was months ago
05:47 <Luke-Jr> I hope it still is
05:48 <Luke-Jr> I don't think I got em all
05:48 <Luke-Jr> at least not in the DVD quality
05:48 <guru3> heh
05:48 <Luke-Jr> tho the DVD quality has dubbie titles on it
05:49 <Luke-Jr> BSSM is also fairly long, if you haven't seen it
05:49 <Luke-Jr> CCS is 90 eps
05:49 <guru3> ranma looks... interesting
05:49 <Luke-Jr> hehe
05:49 <Luke-Jr> he turns female when in cold water and male when hot
05:49 <guru3> doubt i'll be able to gather the eps :/
05:50 <guru3> cause you know
05:50 <guru3> airing in 1989...
05:50 <Luke-Jr> heh
05:50 <guru3> what's bssm and ccs?
05:51 <Luke-Jr> Bishoujosenshi Sailormoon
05:51 <Luke-Jr> Card Captor Sakura
05:51 <guru3> ok
05:51 <guru3> that last one sounds familiar...
05:52 <Luke-Jr> CCS was probably the source of most TC chars
05:52 <guru3> and it's also licensed in the us :/
05:55 <Luke-Jr> who cares
05:55 <guru3> just makes it hard to find
05:57 <Luke-Jr> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?h=5DE5CAD573574EC2B0838EDB8A32408B&query=ranma&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
05:57 <Luke-Jr> or you could watch X-Files
05:57 <guru3> ok
05:57 <Luke-Jr> it's got 9 seasons + 1
05:57 <guru3> so there are torrents for ranma
05:58 <Luke-Jr> btw, isn't your birthday over yet
05:58 <guru3> yeah
05:58  * Luke-Jr glances at the topic
05:58 <guru3> well actually
05:58 <guru3> as i haven't gotten any real gifts yet
05:58 <guru3> no
05:58 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:59 <Luke-Jr> I spent my birthday at the ER
05:59 <guru3> ><
05:59 <guru3> how many times have we told you not to stick stuff up your nose :P
05:59 <Luke-Jr> no no
05:59 <Luke-Jr> burn #2
06:00 <Luke-Jr> stage 2 burn?
06:00 <Luke-Jr> something like that
06:00 <guru3> ouch
06:00 <Luke-Jr> on a level from 1 to 3, 3 being permenant damage, it's 2 =p
06:00 <guru3> stop sticking fireworks up your nose
06:00 <Luke-Jr> sunburn
06:00 <guru3> stop sticking the sun up your nose then
06:00 <Luke-Jr> my daughter
06:01 <guru3> well tell your daughter to stop sticking the sun up your nose then
06:01 <Luke-Jr> no, she had the burn not me
06:01 <guru3> well your daugther to stop sticking the sun up _her_ nose then ;)
06:02 <Luke-Jr> ok, just don't tell her not to stick it in her mouth
06:03 <guru3> ><
06:05 <Luke-Jr> I want to play AR games
06:05 <Luke-Jr> err, just not AR Arma
06:05 <Luke-Jr> that might be annoying
06:25 <guru3> started dl of ranma & ccs
06:26 <guru3> i'm gonna need a new hd if this keeps up :/
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes z-man*
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
07:46 <guru3> it's very difficult to make your wheeled-spinny chair go where you want it to when you kick off from the wall :/
07:53 <wrtlprnft> where'd you go?
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07:53 <wrtlprnft> down the stairs? :P
07:53 <guru3> no
07:53 <guru3> i'm trying to aim for another chair
07:53 <guru3> and use it as a break
07:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm, have fun, i have to go
07:55 <guru3> hf
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07:57 <newnick> hi
07:57 <guru3> lo'
07:58 <newnick> its not tht funny
07:58 <guru3> lo as in
07:58 <guru3> short for hello
07:58 <newnick> oh lol
07:58 <newnick> i thought u ment lol
07:58 <guru3> no
07:58 <guru3> if i meant lol
07:58 <newnick> but a typo
07:58 <guru3> i woulda typed lol
07:58 <newnick> ok
07:58 <guru3> kinda hard to mistype lol
07:58 <guru3> keys are right next to each other
07:59 <newnick> but i sumtimes catch a key when i hit enter
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07:59 <guru3> wonder if he caught alt and f4 when pressing enter?
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08:20 <wrtlprnft> guru3: sometimes instead of lol i say kik ;)
08:22 <guru3> heh
08:22 <guru3> that's an easy typo
08:24 <wrtlprnft> but lo' requires some mistyping skills even I don't have
08:24 <guru3> same here
08:24 <wrtlprnft> especially on a german keyboard since you have to press shift+# to get '
08:25 <guru3> lol
08:26 <wrtlprnft> you sure you mean lol by this and not lo' or kik? ;)
08:26 <guru3> Oo
08:27 <wrtlprnft> btw i do see a way to mistype lol as lo' on an english keyboard if i look at it. You can forget the 2nd l (yust don't hit it hard enough) and then miss your return key as well, hitting both ' and return
08:27 <wrtlprnft> lo'
08:27 <guru3> yeah
08:27 <guru3> but i don't
08:28 <guru3> tbh the ' should really come first
08:28 <guru3> 'lo
08:28 <guru3> but oh well
08:28  * wrtlprnft hasn't seen many typos from guru3, true
08:28 <wrtlprnft> s/yust/just O_o
08:28 <wrtlprnft> one of my brain lag- typos
08:29 <guru3> ><
08:29 <guru3> i can't think of any real work to do
08:29 <guru3> so i'm just sitting here reading wdb
08:29 <guru3> *qdb
08:29 <wrtlprnft> make a formula parser for arma? ;)
08:29 <guru3> no
08:30 <guru3> no idea how to do that in c++
08:30  * wrtlprnft has no idea how how he would start that in any language
08:30 <wrtlprnft> except PHP and friends, just be evil and use eval :D
08:30 <guru3> hmm well
08:30 <guru3> first thing
08:30 <guru3> would be to setup a syntax system
08:31 <guru3> so parsing for * / + - ()
08:31 <wrtlprnft> and */ before -+
08:31 <guru3> then you isolate the variables and constants
08:32 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't for that I'd know how to do it, somehow
08:32 <guru3> and apply each operator in a loop
08:32 <guru3> but i don't know enough string manipulation in c++ to do it
08:32 <wrtlprnft> i do, that's no real problem
08:33 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'll just have to find some undisturbed time to do it :(
08:33 <wrtlprnft> probably on my flight home
08:33 <guru3> ><
08:43 <guru3> brb
08:45 <guru3> back
08:45 <guru3> and god am i bored
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09:00 <madmax|pt> hello
09:01 <guru3> lo
09:01 <guru3> (NOT a typo of lol)
09:01 <guru3> (as the last guy that said hello expected)
09:01 <madmax|pt> lol
09:01 <guru3> (it's an abreiviated form of helLO)
09:01 <madmax|pt> actually it isnt
09:01 <madmax|pt> Definitions of lo on the Web:
09:01 <madmax|pt> Lo is a town in Lo-Reninge, a part of Belgium. 
09:01 <madmax|pt> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo
09:02 <guru3> heh
09:02 <guru3> it's little known
09:02 <guru3> i think i'm the only one that uses it
09:02 <madmax|pt> i like this one too:
09:02 <madmax|pt> A passive countermeasure (also known in some cultures as STEALTH). In achieving LO, warships attempt to make their skins as non- reflective as possible across the EM spectrum, and to prevent any excess heat from being radiated from the ship.
09:02 <madmax|pt> www.saveandromeda.com/allsystems/engineering/grdglosko.htm
09:03 <guru3> who comes up with this crap ><
09:03 <madmax|pt> "define:"
09:03 <guru3> (isn't it like a moon of saturn too or something?)
09:03 <madmax|pt> its a similar name i guess
09:04 <madmax|pt> ah, its "io"
09:04 <guru3> knew it sounded familiar
09:04 <madmax|pt> and its jupiter's moon btw
09:05 <guru3> well i'm no astrologist :)
09:05 <madmax|pt> astronomer :P
09:05 <guru3> see?
09:05 <madmax|pt> hehe
09:07 <guru3> going home
09:07 <guru3> bbl
09:10 <madmax|pt> cya
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10:00  * spidey yawns
10:01 <madmax|pt> (...)
10:12 <guru3> back
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10:33 <cusco> what about walls from the future????
10:33 <cusco> http://www.linuxkungfu.org/images/fun/geek/owned.jpg
10:40 <madmax|pt> haha
10:40 <madmax|pt> :D
10:40 <madmax|pt> nice
10:42 <Vanhayes> spidey u playing fortress?
10:42 <cusco> I just upgraded to xorg7 and lost dri
10:43 <cusco> :(
10:43 <spidey> maybe
10:43 <cusco> if I play with the lowest resolution.. its still slow :(
10:43 <Vanhayes> geyser?
10:43 <spidey> back?
10:43 <Vanhayes> lol
10:43 <spidey> :p
10:43 <cusco> resolution, and lowest detail settings
10:44 <madmax|pt> can i play fortress too dad?
10:45 <Vanhayes> I've noticed alot less ws and Good jobs, for moves that would have gotten at least a wd if my name was Vanhayes
10:45 <madmax|pt> lol
10:45 <MaZuffeR> yep Vanhayes, i notice that too when i'm using a fake name
10:46 <madmax|pt> people wonder: "who's that? hmm... a noob better than me?"
10:46 <Vanhayes> kinda sucks for noobs
10:46 <Vanhayes> lol
10:46 <spidey> really?
10:46 <spidey> i seem to get them stll
10:46 <Vanhayes> as many tho?
10:47 <spidey> dunno
10:47 <spidey> then again people always know who i am somehow :/
10:47 <spidey> mostly cause of lucifer >.>
10:47 <Vanhayes> and u dont change your colour
10:47 <spidey> heh
10:48 <madmax|pt> Using fake names is a underground culture... ooooh
10:48 <spidey> Dr.Pwn man!
10:48 <spidey> i've used fake names since day 3
10:48 <spidey> xD
10:48 <spidey> might have been day 4,but who's keeping track
10:55 <Vanhayes> max are u playing fortress too?
11:01 <madmax|pt> no
11:02 <Vanhayes> ok just wondering
11:02 <madmax|pt> but make sure you say those "wd's"
11:02 <madmax|pt> :D
11:02 <Vanhayes> lol
11:09 <Vanhayes> #eliza How are you today?
11:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
11:12 <Vanhayes> #eliza I think you are in a bad mood.
11:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say you think i are in a bad mood?
11:12 <spidey> lmao
11:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza because u still have that attitude
11:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Does it bother you that i ask you that?
11:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza Ask me what?
11:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
11:14 <Vanhayes> #eliza I think you should know what you asked me.
11:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
11:17 <Vanhayes> #eliza Because you have to know what you ask somone
11:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because i have to know what i ask somone that you came to me?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza you make no sense
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say i make no sense?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza bitch
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza you are a bitch
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Please, watch your tongue!
11:21 <Vanhayes> lol
11:24 <madmax|pt> Van, you know that personal attacks are bad right?
11:24 <Vanhayes> ?
11:24 <madmax|pt> lol
11:24 <madmax|pt> "you are a bitch"!?
11:24 <Vanhayes> that thing always pisses me off
11:24 <madmax|pt> hum?
11:24 <Vanhayes> #eliza
11:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
11:25 <Vanhayes> that thing
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12:04 <Joni> hi guys
12:04 <Joni> could i ask you all a question
12:04 <Joni> how do i get the record to work?
12:04 <Joni> so i can record a match
12:08 <Vanhayes> are you using windows?
12:08 <Joni> yes
12:08 <Vanhayes> go into your start menu
12:09 <Vanhayes> under armagetron advanced there is armagetron advenced record
12:09 <Joni> ok
12:09 <Joni> got it
12:09 <Joni> thnx
12:09 <Vanhayes> np
12:23 <Vanhayes> #weather Tampa
12:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Tampa, FL is 73�F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 90%. Wind: E at 6 mph (10 km/h).
12:25 <Joni> #weather Yorkshire
12:25 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Yorkshire".
12:25 <Joni> shockin
12:26 <Joni> #weather England
12:26 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
12:26 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "England".
12:26 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM WEST; Scattered Clouds. High:73 � F. / 23 � C.; Clear. Low:64 � F. / 18 � C.; Clear. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Clear. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Overcast. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.;
12:26 <madmax|pt> nice
12:26 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
12:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 68?F / 20?C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ADT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of showers late this afternoon. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming southwest 20 this afternoon. High 21. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance (1 more message)
12:26 <Vanhayes> #more
12:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: of showers this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Tuesday - Increasing cloudiness. Showers or thundershowers beginning in the afternoon. Amount 5 mm except 10 mm or more possible in thundershowers. High 22.;
12:26 <Joni> #weather Sheffield
12:26 <armabot> Joni: The current temperature in Sheffield, AL is 82�F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 69%. Wind: NE at 8 mph (13 km/h).
12:27 <Joni> #weather Barnsley
12:27 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Barnsley".
12:27 <Joni> omg
12:27 <Vanhayes> spelt it right?
12:28 <Joni> yes
12:28 <Joni> thats where i live
12:28 <Joni> #weather South Yorkshire
12:28 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "South Yorkshire".
12:29 <Joni> it doesnt like me
12:29 <spidey> #weather Paris,TN
12:29 <armabot> spidey: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <spidey> bastard
12:29 <joda_bot> #weather Paderborn,Germany
12:29 <spidey> #weather 38242
12:29 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <armabot> spidey: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <spidey> #cnn 38242
12:29 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 72�F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: NE at 9 mph (14 km/h).
12:29 <spidey> BEOTCH
12:31 <GodTodd> #weather Plano,TX
12:32 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:32 <GodTodd> blah
12:32 <GodTodd> #weather dallas
12:32 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Dallas, TX is 89�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 40%. Wind: S at 10 mph (16 km/h).
12:33 <GodTodd> #list
12:33 <armabot> GodTodd: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
12:34 <MaZuffeR> #weather Turku
12:34 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:35 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton
12:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton, AR is 89�F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Wind: N at 6 mph (10 km/h).
12:35 <Vanhayes> no
12:35 <GodTodd> #weather plano
12:35 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton, NB
12:35 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Plano, IL is 68�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 46%. Wind: N at 8 mph (13 km/h).
12:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Hampton, NB".
12:36 <spidey> #weather paris
12:36 <armabot> spidey: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 7:30 PM CEST; Clear. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Clear. Low:62 � F. / 17 � C.; Scattered Clouds. High:78 � F. / 26 � C.; Clear. Low:60 � F. / 16 � C.; Clear. High:86 � F. / 30 � C.; Clear. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.;
12:36 <MaZuffeR> #weather Helsinki
12:36 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:36 <spidey> lol
12:36 <MaZuffeR> #weather Finland
12:36 <Vanhayes> it has been raining here fore 2 weeks now
12:36 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Finland".
12:36 <GodTodd> #weather Fuck
12:36 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
12:36 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Fuck".
12:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 68?F / 20?C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ADT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of showers late this afternoon. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming southwest 20 this afternoon. High 21. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance (1 more message)
12:37 <Vanhayes> #more
12:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: of showers this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Tuesday - Increasing cloudiness. Showers or thundershowers beginning in the afternoon. Amount 5 mm except 10 mm or more possible in thundershowers. High 22.;
12:37 <GodTodd> i want rain
12:37 <GodTodd> :(
12:37 <spidey> ew
12:37 <Vanhayes> u can have mine
12:37 <spidey> lol
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12:42 <GodTodd> #help weather
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
12:42 <GodTodd> #weather Plano, Texas
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:42 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:43 <GodTodd> no wonder we americans hate soccer....we suck heh
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12:46 <madmax|pt> you do
12:46 <madmax|pt> :P
12:51 <joda_bot> mkzelda: are you there ?
12:53 <joda_bot> mkzelda: Can you tell me the version you used to record your recording on your website ?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh, madmax|pt, using fake names is the new trend :)
12:55  * Lucifer_arma was Gaymosexual the other night, if you hadn't figured that out
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12:55 <joda_bot> mkzelda: guess the date and comment cleared it up ... is from an early 2005 cvs build
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Austin
12:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Temperature: 52?F / 11?C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM CDT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. High 24. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - A few clouds. Low 9.; Tuesday - Sunny. High 24.;
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> That can't be austin tx
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Austin, TX
12:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
12:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 90�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 33%. Wind: ENE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
12:58 <wrtlprnft> there's an austin, mb >P
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> mb?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> manitoba?
12:58 <wrtlprnft> yep
12:58 <wrtlprnft> some little village with <100 people in it
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
12:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Round Rock
12:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 90�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 33%. Wind: ENE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> why do you guys get so much information and I don't?  :(
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, why can't that tropical storm come just a little farther west?
13:00  * Lucifer_arma notes the rainy season in Texas is over
13:02 <wrtlprnft> omg i broke BF fortress :(
13:03 <wrtlprnft> and i can't fix it right now
13:05 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: what did you do ?
13:05 <madmax|pt> [18:55] 	Lucifer_arma	heh, madmax|pt, using fake names is the new trend :)
13:05 <madmax|pt> [18:55] 	*	Lucifer_arma was Gaymosexual the other night, if you hadn't figured that out
13:05 <madmax|pt> well, i guess you were there
13:05 <madmax|pt> didnt know who was it though
13:05 <madmax|pt> :D
13:06 <madmax|pt> those "will they kick me tests".... 
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the name was a whim.  I was going to go in as George Bush :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: looks like my different CYCLE_DELAY settings stuff screwed everything up
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> gaymosexual is a slur a guy I used to work with used to use, and the gay guy that worked there (and the rest of us) liked it so much we adopted it in place of homosexual
13:10  * wrtlprnft should have thested the server more throuroughly
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> but somewhere around a year ago I went in as Homosexual and got the same response
13:10 <madmax|pt> lol
13:10 <wrtlprnft> i just checked if the hybrid server worked fine and if the dedicated one compiled...
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, far as I know, there are people in the game who actually think I'm gay, haha
13:12 <spidey> man
13:12 <spidey> all the retards follow me
13:13 <spidey> WHY!?!?!?
13:13 <spidey> now they're in wild fortress :(
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> birds of a feather?
13:13 <spidey> hahahahahah
13:13 <spidey> i got kick spammed
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I'm finally starting to see why calculus is needed to launch spaceships
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13:22 <xzl_shaggy> hey I need help!!
13:23 <spidey> ?
13:23 <xzl_shaggy> asked for help on forums bout my server, they told me to come here when it'sonline to let one of you see if it's showing up on master list thing or whatever
13:24 <spidey> whats the name?
13:24 <xzl_shaggy> ~"XzL.Dogfighting Server
13:24 <spidey> when is that anyways?
13:24 <xzl_shaggy> the tourny?
13:24 <spidey> yea
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> the date will be posted on Friday, that's when the cut off for signingup is
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> after we figure out how many teams are playing
13:25 <spidey> don't see it,only see the xzl server
13:25 <spidey> you do TALK_TO_MASTER 1 ?
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> yes
13:26 <spidey> got a router or firewall?
13:26 <xzl_shaggy> firewall, got the port opened on my firewall
13:26 <spidey> not there :/
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> any idea how I can fix that?
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> cause ppl keep telling me to turn off my firewall, which I won't do that... and then ppl are telling me to open the port onmy firewall and that's what I did
13:27 <spidey> what firewall you got? and is i on windows?
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> I'm not using a router, my cable modem is hooked directly into the back of my PC
13:28 <xzl_shaggy> yesit's on windows, and it's just the windows firewall
13:28 <spidey> lol
13:28 <spidey> the windows firewall won't block it anyways
13:28 <spidey> i've got it on but the servers i run people can still connect to without opening the port
13:29 <xzl_shaggy> well I got the ports turned on, and I don't have any other firewall
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, wrtlprnft ?
13:29 <spidey> in the console do talk_to_master 1 again
13:30 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:30 <xzl_shaggy> done
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> you have to restart the server when you change that setting because the talk to master is only done the one time when it starts
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you hve to change it in config files, obviously, because the console doesn't persist across sessions
13:31 <spidey> um
13:31 <spidey> i never did
13:31 <xzl_shaggy> in the config files the talk_to_master is set to 1
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you restart the server, you can just put "TALK_TO_MASTER" in the console and it'll tell you the current value of it
13:31 <spidey> i always did it in the console
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird, spidey, I never saw it work
13:31 <spidey> i've never add'd it in the config files
13:31 <spidey> :p
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> [0] TALK_TO_MASTER is currently set to 1.
13:32 <spidey> yuo got icmp disabled?
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> icmp?
13:32 <spidey> pings....
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> I dunno, how I find that out
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:32 <spidey> then you don't
13:32 <spidey> heh
13:33 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:33 <spidey> it's a setting in the windows firewall
13:33 <spidey> what's the ip?
13:33 <spidey> and what port is the server using
13:33 <xzl_shaggy>
13:33 <xzl_shaggy> 4534
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> type SERVER_NAME in the console and tell us what you get
13:34 <spidey> doesn't matter
13:34 <spidey> his server isn't online
13:35 <spidey> restart it shaggy
13:35 <xzl_shaggy> how you restart it?j ust close consol and reopen it?
13:35 <spidey> yea
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> yep
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> mine says it's unreachable :)
13:36 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:36 <xzl_shaggy> restarted
13:36 <spidey> still not connecting
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> blah
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad-master.log:[2006/06/12 13:36:36] [2] Updated server:
13:37 <spidey> umm
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> only other IP it could be
13:37 <xzl_shaggy>
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> is that one
13:37 <spidey> heh
13:37 <spidey> www.whatismyip.com
13:37 <spidey> also,does your modem have a built-in router?
13:37 <spidey> some do
13:38 <xzl_shaggy> I'm not sure, how can I check?
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> ServerBegin
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> connection
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> port    4534
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> method  0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> key     0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> transaction     107207
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> version 0 0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> release pre_0.2.5
13:38 <spidey> pen a browser and try to goto
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> url
13:38 <spidey> open*
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> scorebias       0
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> name
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> tna     7
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> ServerEnd
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> no server name given, and look at the version
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> release line, that is
13:39 <xzl_shaggy> nope, won't let me go there
13:39 <spidey> it won't?
13:39 <spidey> you on cable?
13:39 <xzl_shaggy> yes
13:39 <spidey> ....
13:40 <spidey> that's the modem webserver
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  no it's not
13:40 <spidey> is to!
13:40 <Lucifer_arma>
13:40 <spidey> or wait
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:40 <spidey> .100.1 ?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> everybody knows that :)
13:40 <spidey> not mine
13:40 <spidey> mine's 100.1
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> besides, his internal IP is different
13:40 <spidey> :p
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> <--- different internal ip
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> better check the manual for your modem
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen dsl modems that had this problem, because they provide a nat router internally, so even though you might have like a linksys router plugged in, you still need to forward the port from the dsl modem to the router,
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> and then from the router to the server itself
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> and think about what it's going to do to player pings :)
13:41 <spidey> lol
13:42 <xzl_shaggy>
13:42 <xzl_shaggy> let me go there
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if the dsl modem has a nat router in it, you can just plug in a switch to share, you don't need the nat router like most people
13:42 <spidey> luci....
13:42 <spidey> he's on cablle
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> it let me go to that one!!!
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't make a lot of difference in what they might put in the damn things, does it?
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ooo im so lost
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ;/
13:43 <spidey> see luci it's 100.1 :p
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> fine
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> the last digit's still .1 :)
13:43 <spidey> hahaha
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ok, how bout you two help me?
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> :p
13:43 <spidey> now shaggy
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> we're too busy arguing
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:44 <xzl_shaggy> i see that
13:44 <spidey> do you see alot of different links 
13:44 <spidey> one saying virtual servers?
13:44 <xzl_shaggy> Status | Signal | Addresses | Configuration | Logs | Help
13:44 <spidey> or is it just a page discribing your modem
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> it might also say "applications".  Mine does, anyway
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> Configuration?
13:44 <spidey> click configuration
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> Signal will be for wireless, I'll bet
13:44 <spidey> no :p
13:45 <spidey> it tells the -/+ db gain of the line
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Frequency Plan: North American Standard/HRC/IRC
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Upstream Channel ID: 4
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Frequency (Hz): 621000000
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> DHCP Server Enabled
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> The SURFboard cable modem can be used as a gateway to the Internet by a maximum of 32 users on a Local Area Network (LAN). When the Cable Modem is disconnected from the Internet, users on the LAN can be dynamically assigned IP Addresses by the Cable Modem DHCP Server. These addresses are assigned from an address pool which begins with and ends with Statically assigned IP addresses for other devices on the LAN should be ch
13:45 <spidey> yup
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> then there's a button that says
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> reset all default
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> then one
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> that says
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> restart cable modem
13:46 <spidey> that's it?
13:46 <xzl_shaggy> yup lol
13:46 <spidey> was there any other links on the main page?
13:46 <xzl_shaggy> just those I gave you
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> what's the brand and model of the thing?
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> should be on the front of it....  :)
13:47 <spidey> it's a surfboard dude
13:47 <spidey> read what he posted :p
13:47 <madmax|pt> @Sumo there was a bug, when showing the poll voters stats it showed all values correct except for the "total voters" that said "-1"...
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> yeah
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> motorola surfboard
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> hhahaha
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=181  <--- got a model number?
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> says it supports port forwarding for that particular model
13:48 <spidey> but wait
13:49 <spidey> luci,shouldn't it still show on the list?
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> not if the master server can't ping it, and the master server can't ping it if the port's closed
13:49 <spidey> oh
13:49 <xzl_shaggy> ;/
13:50 <spidey> shaggy
13:50 <xzl_shaggy> ?
13:50 <spidey> look on the side of the modem
13:50 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:50 <spidey> a silver label or something
13:50 <spidey> should tell the model number
13:51 <xzl_shaggy> SB5100
13:51 <spidey> it might also be on the bottum
13:51 <xzl_shaggy> ^^
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13:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://forum.portforward.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Knowledge;action=display;num=1139203841   <--- doesn't tell us we don't already know, but shaggy should read this page anyway
13:52 <spidey> does his modem have port forwarding?
13:52  * spidey can't click links to check
13:52 <GodTodd> didja do a netstat -a to check for the open port yet?
13:52 <spidey> no.....
13:52 <xzl_shaggy> wouldn't lemme open that last page
13:52 <spidey> but
13:53 <spidey> netstat wouldn't help
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> There is no firewall or router in the Motorola sb5100. It's just a modem and that's it. There is no ports to open up, or to forward.  <--- from "http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/181659.html"
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> I don't believe that guy
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> possible it only let me into that page 'cause I came from google
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=179
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> ^^my model
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> brb
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=SB5100+port+forwarding&btnG=Search  <-- my search results if you wanted them
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13:59 <xzl_shaggy> so anyone know how to fix my problems or should Ijust gicve up?lol
13:59  * spidey is out of ideas
13:59 <spidey> what version is the server?
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see anything in the user manual to say you can port forward,
14:00 <xzl_shaggy> 2.8.1
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14:00 <Lucifer_arma> however the manual says you can use a switch or hub to hook up up to 63 computers to the network
14:00 <spidey> 63?
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> so you need to find out how to forward the port, period, from your cable modem, and I'm out of information, sorry
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> yep, 63
14:00 <spidey> who needs that many
14:01 <spidey> shaggy
14:01  * madmax|pt is away: Not Here.
14:01 <spidey> open tron and start a internet game
14:01 <spidey> you know at the top of the list where it says "host a game"
14:01 <xzl_shaggy> yes
14:01 <spidey> do that and tell me what name you used for it
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> ok
14:03 <spidey> hey luci
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> Dogfighting thinger
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> is the name
14:03 <spidey> you know what would be a good feature?
14:03 <spidey> uPnP support
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> uPnP?
14:03 <spidey> hehehe
14:03  * Lucifer_arma accepts patches
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have a uPnP router, afaik, so I can't test it
14:04  * spidey can't program :p
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> and, afaik, there isn't a uPnP api for linux, but I could be wrong
14:04 <spidey> my router supports upnp but i have it disabled
14:04 <xzl_shaggy> spidey, you get the name?
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> find me a uPnP api for Linux and I'll see what I can do, sometime
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> it would be very handy, I'm tired of answering this question :)
14:04 <spidey> yea
14:05 <spidey> it's something blocking the port
14:05 <spidey> i see your ip on the list but it's unreachable
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> shaggy: if we had uPnP support, and your modem supported it (I didn't see if it does or not), then this port forwarding thing would be automatic, afaik
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> master server knows bout it, I gave the entry from my master server's list :)
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> ah, i'll just give up on the server
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> thanks guys
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> so we have outgoing connectivity, what we don't have is incoming connectivity, which is why we're stuck with port forwarding
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, it looks like you got saddled with a crappy cable router :(
14:06 <spidey> heh
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> yah, can't expect much more from a local cable net company ;)
14:07 <spidey> you know
14:07 <spidey> you can't run anything that needs a incoming connect
14:07 <xzl_shaggy> brb
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> which includes openNap clients
14:07 <spidey> mhmm
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> not that I'd ever use such a program....
14:08 <spidey> heh
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> this robot vacuum is so cool.  It sucks so much, and it does it all by itself
14:08 <spidey> hahaha
14:10 <spidey> gay
14:10 <spidey> i think my soldat server's getting DoS'd
14:11 <spidey> i think me or another admin pissed someone off because it was all running fine then all of the servers hypergamin hosts started lagging and the site loads slow :/
14:22 <spidey> this sucks
14:22 <spidey> one of my subs blew :/
14:24 <spidey> and now i overloaded the stereo :/
14:24 <guru3> Oo
14:26  * spidey trips guru
14:27 <madmax|pt> lol
14:28  * spidey is down to a 8' sony
14:28  * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:26:54)
14:28 <spidey> my normal speakers put out more bass
14:28 <spidey> :/
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> my speakers have more bass than I cook on my grill
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, one of them's a converted speaker comprised of the cones from two guitar combo amps, and the other one is a complete combo amp
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:34 <spidey> i HAD
14:34 <spidey> a 12' and a 8' sub
14:34 <spidey> and 4 speakers
14:34 <spidey> i guess i can add a couple more speakers now :/
14:35 <spidey> hahaha
14:35 <spidey> someone just told me they drank flat water
14:35 <spidey> how does water go flat?
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> let it sit long enough and the minerals and crap that make it taste good sink to the bottom/float to the top?
14:36  * Lucifer_arma thinks he knows enough chemistry to know that doesn't actually happen
14:36 <spidey> heh
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> generally I consider water "flat" when it reaches room temperature, because "flat" means undrinkable
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> and water at room temperature is undrinkable unless you're going to die if you do't drink it
14:36 <spidey> to me water doesn't have a taste
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, water tastes like sweetened tea to me
14:37 <spidey> unless i drink this nasty ass over ironed water
14:37 <spidey> then it tastes like sulfer smells
14:38 <GodTodd> blah....what goes with sweet potatoes?
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> turkey?
14:39 <GodTodd> not candied ones....regular ones :P
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, that shit tastes like sewage
14:40 <GodTodd> i like them....just mashed up like regular potatoes
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> stop it, I'm hungry and trying to do math :)
14:41 <GodTodd> although spaghetti squash sounds good too....
14:41 <GodTodd> heh i'm trying to plan what to make for dinner :P
14:43 <GodTodd> maybe jambalaya....haven't had that in a while
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15:14 <z-man> joda_bot: here?
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> ack, how the hell am I supposed to figure out how much work is required to lift a bucket of leaky water?
15:15 <joda_bot> z-man: yes
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, a leaky bucket of water
15:15 <z-man> How is the .nsi installer stuff supposed to work now?
15:15 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: if you're wise just the weight of the bucket :-)
15:15 <joda_bot> z-man: ah, I did not make that decision
15:15 <joda_bot> but I guess they should go to build/win32 ?
15:15 <z-man> Umm, ok :)
15:15 <guru3> http://www.svenswmwette.com/
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> the bucket's not empty when I start lifting it...
15:16 <joda_bot> guru3: already know that one :-)
15:16 <z-man> So I should just fumble something for 0.3.0?
15:16 <guru3> heh
15:16 <joda_bot> z-man: hm, the files are still in the visual c build module right now
15:16 <joda_bot> z-man: If you prefer me to move the files, I can do it
15:17 <z-man> Right, and I suppose they should still work with minimal adaptions
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> what do you mean "how should it work"?
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> do you mean just "where does it get the files"?
15:17 <z-man> Well, I want to know which buttons I have to push to make a Windows build.
15:17 <joda_bot> z-man: are there any paths inside the installer, except the pointer to the dist build dir ?
15:18 <z-man> No, the installer, once copied into "dist", works only in the current directory
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh.  If you have nsis installed, the way it's supposed to work is you just right-click on the .nsi file and say "compile with nsis"
15:18 <joda_bot> ah... in ArmagetronAd project, select target Release Win32
15:18 <joda_bot> and then build
15:18 <joda_bot> it should go down all projects and compile them
15:18 <z-man> I know those parts, thank you both :)
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok.  So what changed then?  Is it just the location of the built files that changed?
15:19 <joda_bot> afterwards the files are in armagetronad/buid/dist 
15:19 <z-man> But currently, the nsis installer files are in dead parts of the project and probably a bit outdated.
15:19 <joda_bot> z-man: What was the question then, or was it a statement ?
15:19 <z-man> The question was: How am I supposed to handle the release?
15:19 <z-man> I can build the source tarball...
15:19 <z-man> the source zip...
15:20 <z-man> unzip the source zip in Windows...
15:20 <joda_bot> z-man: right, that's because I did not have time to learn about nsi ... but I'm going to
15:20 <z-man> build with makedist.bat and code::blocks...
15:20 <z-man> But then I have a build/dist directory and no installer :)
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm......
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure where the problem is, I guess
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> what has changed since the last windows release?
15:20 <z-man> Everything :)
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> is it just joda moving the build files around?
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> so the last windows release wasn't done with code::blocks at all?
15:21 <z-man> Well, actually, yes.
15:21 <z-man> It was.
15:21 <joda_bot> I've one minor change here, that might help ... I splitted makedist.bat into makedist.bat and update_version.bat (which autogenerates the version.h)
15:21 <joda_bot> I also have to update the wiki build docs ... 
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then the only thing that should need to be changed is either the location of the nsi file or where code::blocks dumps the completed files
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> where does code::blocks put stuff?  I know where visualC does...
15:21  * Lucifer_arma needs to get out of his weirdCamelCase thing
15:22 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Is stuff the release files ?
15:22 <z-man> Code::blocks build goes into armagetronad/build/dist
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> the stuff that goes into the installer
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> and after you build successfully, is it filled with files?
15:22 <joda_bot> z-man: got it :-)
15:22 <z-man> Joda: actually, do you have the build module checked out into armagetronad/build or is it an empty directory for you?
15:23 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: after you run makedist.bat most files are there, once you build the exe - running makedist.bat again adds library dlls (which had to be compiled)
15:23  * Lucifer_arma wistfully wishes we had the cross-compiler stuff working for this
15:23 <z-man> (before you run the build and makedist.bat)
15:23 <joda_bot> z-man: I exspect it to be empty
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> so you run makedist.bat twice then
15:23 <z-man> ok, good :)
15:23 <joda_bot> z-man: perhaps we should rename it ?
15:23 <z-man> Naa, it's fine
15:23 <joda_bot> I just wanted to keep it inside the project dir
15:23 <z-man> because the build module belongs one level further up.
15:24 <joda_bot> I know
15:24 <joda_bot> But I'll consider renaming it, because it might be confusing with 3 build directories :-)
15:24 <joda_bot> perhaps build-tron, build, build-libs ?
15:25 <z-man> Soooo, I think we should just put the .nsi stuff inside armagetronad/win32 and have makedist.bat copy it to build/dist.
15:25 <joda_bot> where build is the svn module ?
15:25 <z-man> build is fine for me.
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I was taking it for granted you already did that
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15:25 <z-man> I had expected it, too :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> the .nsi file should be handled that way if it isn't already, so we can use relative paths in it :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so we can have make install on the cross-compiler setup the same build structure...
15:25 <joda_bot> ok, then move them to win32 :-)
15:25 <joda_bot> or I'll do it
15:26 <z-man> Could you do it? makedist.bat is yours now.
15:26 <joda_bot> fine
15:26 <joda_bot> I'll also commit the generate_version.bat then
15:26 <z-man> It has a line already that seems to try to handle the .nsi copying, but nothing happens.
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to automate it completely?  Where you just run one script and it setups up the dist directory, calls make to build, then does the second half, then runs nsis?
15:26 <z-man> May be a leftover from my stuff.
15:26  * Lucifer_arma already knows nsis can be run from the commandline quite well
15:27 <joda_bot> right, because it assumes, to copy it from build/smth. (which refers the build module
15:27 <z-man> joda_bot: yes, give us the update, too. On a release, the version replacement is handled in Unix already.
15:27 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I don't know how well code::blocks is automatable
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15:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we were using cygwin it'd be completely automatable.  :)  I hear we'd still be able to with MSYS
15:29 <z-man> Personally, automation in Windows is not a high priority. The worst part for me is booting into it :)
15:29 <z-man> After that is done, a build/release is so little work it's not worth to automate.
15:29 <z-man> Now, cross-compilation...
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15:58 <Lucifer_arma> holy fucking hell
15:58 <xzl_shaggy> what
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> my kubuntu system's trashed and all I've got that works is this t2 system that's not entirely stable
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> rather, what works is stable, but it wouldn't build firefox and some others.  now I"m going to have to creep by with konqueror while I run another t2 build
15:59 <joda_bot> commiting
15:59 <joda_bot> I just updated the readme's
16:00 <xzl_shaggy> oh, well.. all that went over my head
16:01 <joda_bot> commited
16:01 <joda_bot> z-man: done
16:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that cycle_delay crash thingy is fixed now?
16:02 <wrtlprnft> I didn't get any mail and the svn logs show a bugfix by you, was that all of it?
16:03 <wrtlprnft> and, sorry that that happened. I checked in the hybrid server, but I just built and ran the dedicated one, without connecting to it
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16:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, it's fixed, never mind, it just happened in server mode.
16:10 <z-man> joda_bot: got it. But I'll need to update the scripts, they're not yet adapted to the wav -> ogg change
16:10 <z-man> and whatnot else...
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: apparently I am getting email from the forums, it was just my broke-ass kubuntu system that couldn't handle it.  some problem with a shared library needed by kmail that was replaced with an older version
16:11 <z-man> Now, where is src/doc gone in the windows zip?
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: long story, not worth going into :(
16:11 <joda_bot> the nsi scripts ?
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16:12 <z-man> yes, those.
16:12 <joda_bot> z-man: Code::Blocks does not build the documenation as I can't build it on windows (yet)
16:13 <z-man> Yes, but previously, the docs were build on Unix and packed into the source .zip.
16:13 <z-man> Apparently, that's not happening any more.
16:13 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: ok
16:13 <joda_bot> no idea , sorry :|
16:13 <z-man> probably my fault.
16:15 <joda_bot> I'll add two items on the sf tracker for me
16:15 <joda_bot> hm, it's one basically... to enable armagetronad to be installed multiple times on a system
16:16 <joda_bot> e.g. customized startmenu entry + multiple uninstaller entries
16:17 <joda_bot> is this build system or interface ?
16:21 <joda_bot> choose to put it into build system
16:22 <z-man> Good choice
16:22 <joda_bot> :-)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so any chance we can get the cycle_delay factor thing on BF fortress? Maybe CYCLE_DELAY 0.09 and CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_FACTOR 1.11111?
16:26 <z-man> Sure, but I first want to catch the recording bug.
16:26 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
16:26 <wrtlprnft> no rush :)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> let them play "normal" fortress for a bit
16:26 <z-man> And I was thinking more of DELAY .05 and FACTOR 2 :)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure, but that'll give huge client prediction errors
16:27 <z-man> Not if we also use DOUBLEBIND_TIME.
16:27 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
16:27 <wrtlprnft> nice idea
16:28 <wrtlprnft> of course, DOUBLEBIND_TIME can easily be cheated on the client, but noone will if it gives you client misprediction errors ;)
16:29 <z-man> Seriously think PsYkO can compile his own client?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> uh...
16:29 <wrtlprnft> search the binary for the string DOUBLEBIND_TIME and replace it by something different
16:29 <wrtlprnft> then the client won't know the setting ;)
16:31 <z-man> Who added sounds and textures to the server .nsi script?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> what's a .nsi script?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia nsi
16:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.55 seconds: NS? Runav?k - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS%C3%8D_Runav%C3%ADk>; NSI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSI>; New Slovenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Slovenia_Christian_People's_Party>; National Space Institute - Wikipedia, the free (3 more messages)
16:31 <wrtlprnft> #google .nsi
16:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.16 seconds: Web Hosting, web site design and domains from Network Solutions: <http://www.networksolutions.com/>; WHOIS Search provides domain registration information from Network ...: <http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp>; Index: <http://lms.leviton.com/>; Double-Take Software the industry leader in data protection ...: <http://www.nsisoftware.com/>; (1 more message)
16:32 <z-man> Probably just nobody bothered to remove them :)
16:32 <joda_bot> z-man: I didn't
16:32 <wrtlprnft> http://www.nsisoftware.com/ ?!
16:33 <wrtlprnft> or does it stand for wiNdowS Installer?
16:35 <joda_bot> nullsoft install script
16:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: or something like that
16:35 <joda_bot> it's a open source project inspired or based on the shareware winamp installer
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ok
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16:42 <z-man> wrtlprnft: which of the font files need to be installed?
16:42 <z-man> Only the .ttf?
16:42 <z-man> the two of them?
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16:44 <wrtlprnft> only the ttf
16:44 <wrtlprnft> the other one is the file from which it got created
16:45 <wrtlprnft> it can only be read by fontforge and contains stuff like the images I created it from and lines I used to make the characters more consistent
16:47 <z-man> Ok, building installers from SVN works, apart from the docs which have to be copied over from a release into dist manually to silence an NSIS error. It should work for the release. Now, off to adapt the version of the nsis script...
16:49 <wrtlprnft> there is no way in c++ to get the size of an array, right?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> of a statically defined one like int i[] = {1,2,3,4};
16:50 <z-man> Of course there is, sizeof()
16:51 <wrtlprnft> oh, right, thanks
16:51 <z-man> do sizeof(i)/sizeof(int) :)
16:51 <wrtlprnft> forgot about that one
16:51 <wrtlprnft> I just knew there was some crazy template stuff to get the size
16:51 <wrtlprnft>     template <typename Type, unsigned Size>
16:51 <wrtlprnft>     Type sum(Type const (&array)[Size])
16:51 <z-man> joda_bot: Is it intentional that the client exe is called plain Armagetron.exe, no ad?
16:57 <wrtlprnft> ok, another dumb question: If i have a global object in a header file, can I still specify its constructor in the c++ file?
16:57 <wrtlprnft> *cpp
16:58 <z-man> You should declare the object in the header with "extern"
16:58 <wrtlprnft> ok
16:58 <z-man> Then you should be fine, just define it with constructor in one cpp file.
16:59 <z-man> If you define an object in a header, you get multiple copies and linker trouble.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> still the same error :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> * :(
16:59 <wrtlprnft> extern std::map<tString, tValue::Callback<cCockpit>::cb_ptr> stc_callbacks;
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the header
16:59 <wrtlprnft> stc_callbacks(cbarray, cbarray+sizeof(cbarray)/sizeof(cbpair));
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the c++
17:00 <wrtlprnft> ah, i have to re- specify the type
17:00 <wrtlprnft> thanks
17:00  * z-man didn't do anything
17:00 <wrtlprnft> yes you did
17:00 <wrtlprnft> 16:58 <z-man> You should declare the object in the header with "extern"
17:04 <joda_bot> z-man: no that's a mistake
17:05 <joda_bot> z-man: but I just keep it the way it was (I guess)
17:05  * wrtlprnft wonders why the AI is still called Armagetron
17:05 <z-man> Could you change it to armagetronad.exe?
17:05 <spidey> man
17:06 <spidey> that bot's evil 
17:06 <z-man> the AI loader script can't handle spaces :)
17:06 <spidey> i can hardly ever beat that little shit
17:06 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, I meant ArmagetronAd or Armagetronad
17:06 <wrtlprnft> "Armagetron Advanced" is >15chars anyways
17:06 <z-man> hehe
17:07 <z-man> I don't know whether that restriction applies to AIs
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it applies to the old scoretable
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it cuts of excess chats
17:07 <wrtlprnft> *chars
17:07 <spidey> really? i'ma name a bot supercalafragilisticsexpealadoses
17:07 <wrtlprnft> like it cuts of the 2 in an imposter's name with 15 chars
17:08 <wrtlprnft> IIRC
17:12 <z-man> joda_bot: did the .exe name change myself, don't bother with it.
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's easy, a good fake gets him every time
17:26 <wrtlprnft> std::map is acting weird... why does this work:
17:27 <wrtlprnft> 	    *stc_callbacks.find(callback);
17:27 <wrtlprnft> if this doesn't
17:27 <wrtlprnft> stc_callbacks[callack];
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> callack != callback
17:28 <wrtlprnft> I meant callback
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they just didn't implement a [ operator?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> typed the second one since i didn't have it ready for copy and paste
17:28 <wrtlprnft> the operator exists and works in other spots...
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> it takes a key.  Does find take a key or a value?
17:29 <wrtlprnft> a key
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  stl has some peculiarities...
17:37 <wrtlprnft> stl compiler errors are no fun
17:41 <wrtlprnft> looks like std::sets don't like containing function pointers very much :(
17:42 <wrtlprnft> std::set<cbptr> stc_forbiddenCallbacks;
17:42 <wrtlprnft>      cbptr asdf;
17:42 <wrtlprnft> //...
17:42 <wrtlprnft> 	    stc_forbiddenCallbacks.insert(asdf);
17:42 <wrtlprnft> where cbptr is a typedef for some crazy-long function pointer type
17:44 <wrtlprnft> second
17:45 <wrtlprnft> you can't compare function pointers?! what the heck?
17:45 <joda_bot> z-man: will do
17:46 <joda_bot> z-man: ok
17:46 <joda_bot> gn8 all
17:46 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with doing that? If you can compare char*, why not char(void)*?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> night
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> and you can't even reinterpret_cast them to some other type either? That sucks. How am i supposed to store them in a set?
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18:37 <Vanhayes> #eliza Hello
18:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza What time is it?
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza I didnt think u coukld answer that
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza I didnt think u coukld answer the question I ask you
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
18:44 <Vanhayes> #eliza Goodbye
18:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: My secretary will send you a bill.
18:44 <Vanhayes> lol
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19:02  * MaZuffeR wonders how many actually recognizes it's me playing with a fake name
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> are you (whisper) again?
19:21 <MaZuffeR> not again, still :)
19:21 <MaZuffeR> your_mom figured it out
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> umm, actually, I told him last night
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> when he was still 7
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> he joined on my team, what did you expect me to do?  ;)
19:28 <MaZuffeR> just tell him that i'm really good and that he has to watch out for me, that's what i told my team when he joined
19:30 <MaZuffeR> now i have to come up with a new name, SHOUT maybe ;)
19:55 <spidey> i figured it out first :p
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21:01 <spidey> ahah
21:02 -!- SuPeRTaRD [n=blah@adsl-71-145-139-15.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> really, is another immunization going to make teenagers feel any more bulletproof than they already feel?
21:16 <spidey> huh?
21:17  * spidey just got off fortress,40 started something not knowing i was me,heh
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21:29 <spidey> deja who
21:29 <spidey> ryhmes with vu xD
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I only told mom, I didn't tell my whole team, MaZuffeR :)
21:32 <spidey> at first i thought it was you lucifer
21:32 <spidey> then i looked at ping and it was low
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, I'm out for a few days, provided this t2 build gets off the ground
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> my cpu will be occupied building t2
21:32 <spidey> then when i did the mac clone and came back maz said heh
21:32 <spidey> so i knew it was him
21:32 <spidey> xD
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take it as a compliment you mistook mazuffer for me, though :)
21:33 <spidey> lmao
21:33 <MaZuffeR> lol
21:33 <spidey> i'm getting good at this fake name thing 
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> of the players that can genuinely beat me (you know, I don't do something stupid or get all arrogant or crazy), MaZuffeR's one of the ones that can do it consistently.  grrrr.
21:33 <spidey> i figured out who guru3s fake name was last night
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> he has a fake name
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> ?
21:34 <spidey> yer
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> don't say it's Tank Program, please
21:34 <spidey> he did last night,unless i'm wrong about it
21:34 <spidey> no it's not....
21:34 <spidey> i figured it out cause he did that "))" smilly without the ":"
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21:36 <Lucifer_arma> sure that wasn't z-man?  He's been using fake names too...
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to know I can take credit for the latest surge of fake names, but I don't know that I can.  ;)
21:36 <spidey> i can :D
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> not for mine, you can't, heh
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> I did it originally because I'd picked up a stalker
21:37 <spidey> lies!
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> and no, you weren't the stalker
21:37 <spidey> damn
21:37 <spidey> :<
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> he'd come in, call me by my real name, then spend all his time going after me
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> which wasn't a problem when he was on the other team, he'd just get frustrated and leave
21:38 <spidey> lmao
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> but it was a problem when he was on my team
21:38 <MaZuffeR> when using a fake name, shout GHAB! when ghableska joins :D (he'll think you're Vanhayes)
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:38 <spidey> hahaha
21:38 <spidey> i'll do that
21:38 <MaZuffeR> i did it while Van was playing too
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> I've been thinking of stealing vanhayes's "/me casts voodoo" instant chat
21:39 <spidey> lol
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> we should start using each other's fake names, you know, after they've been revealed
21:39 <spidey> you could use stop
21:39 <spidey> or china
21:39 <spidey> or sony
21:39 <spidey> hmm
21:39 <spidey> oh
21:39 <spidey> my ascii names
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> make it a game where you can only use the name after you've guessed who's it is
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> so I won't tell you who I am, but if you guess, you can use the name :)
21:40 <spidey> heheh
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> you have to guess correctly, of course
21:40 <spidey> seeing as i guessed maz's name first can i be whisper :D
21:41 <MaZuffeR> be my guest, i've come up with a new name already
21:41 <spidey> SHOUT ?
21:41 <MaZuffeR> no
21:41  * Lucifer_arma wonders why he just suggested a game he isn't good at
21:41 <spidey> damn
21:41 <spidey> hahaha
21:41 <spidey> well...i'm good at it :d
21:41 <spidey> i just gotta compare pings and watch game play
21:41 <spidey> and a few other things
21:42 <MaZuffeR> and I have too old ones that no-one afaik figured out
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> I can arrange for my ping to fluctuate
21:42 <spidey> so
21:42 <spidey> i always know who lucifer is
21:42 <spidey> he makes two mistakes
21:42 <spidey> always
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> Watch out for that wall!
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> what's the other?
21:42 <spidey> n
21:42 <spidey> no
21:42 <spidey> "oops" and "ck"
21:42 <spidey> "ack"
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> really?  that's been my favorite instant chat for a couple of years now
21:43 <MaZuffeR> i'm moving to my parents on friday, so you wont know what my ping will be (neither do I)
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll need to make a LAG chat, eh?
21:43 <spidey> lol
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, ck is usually "fuck" where the game missed the fu
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> ack always comes out right
21:43 <spidey> heh
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> what about errrr, and ummmmm?
21:45  * Lucifer_arma complains about lag with "errr" and "ummm"
21:45 <spidey> slides
21:46 <spidey> slide/ack/oops
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you hadn't noticed, I consider sliding a legitimate lag complaint
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> for people who don't complain about lag much, that is
21:47 <spidey> oh
21:47 <spidey> hey
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> because those people can be trusted to have actually slid rather than just saying they did so nobody thinks they suck
21:47 <spidey> i get these weird slies
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that result in:
21:47 <spidey> it's not lag slides but like the system caused the slide
21:47  * Lucifer_arma core dumped SOMEDICKHEAD for 2 points.
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> ?
21:47 <spidey> but it doesn't with other builds
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> which build are you running?  the autopackage one right now?
21:48 <spidey> gcc
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you play it in windows don't you?
21:48 <spidey> i play tron on the windows box
21:48 <spidey> yea
21:48 <spidey> it's in a better playing posistion
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> silly's got a similar complaint
21:48 <spidey> and i don't feel like moving things around
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> make a client-side recording and post it to the forums
21:49 <spidey> k
21:49 <spidey> wait
21:49 <spidey> 'er ok
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's exactly the kind of bug the recording was built to catch, the ones you ca't quantify/qualify, are hard to determine if they even exist, but turn out to actually exist
21:49 <spidey> sev
21:52 <spidey> come play
21:52 <spidey> i need good people for it to do it
21:53 <spidey> there's only 2
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> umm, I'm doing calc homework that was due today...
22:01 <spidey> k
22:01 <spidey> i got it in 3 parts
22:02 <spidey> barely noticable
22:02 <spidey> sbutn you can see it
22:15 <spidey> i'ma email it
22:15 <spidey> 11mb though
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to be able to do anything about it, you need to get it where people can download it
22:19 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> best I could do is post it on my webserver and give you a link you can give to other people :)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, new game :)
22:19 <spidey> lol
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you figure out who someone is and they acknowledge it, you can use the fake name :)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:20 <wrtlprnft> deleting grid...
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> so if you see me playing as, say, JesusRules, and you figure out it's me, then you can be JesusRules :)
22:20  * spidey doesn't know what to post/say so you can post it :p
22:20 <wrtlprnft> creating grid...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Loading map Anonymous/polygon/regular/square-1.0.1.aamap.xml...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Go (round 2 of 10 )!
22:20 <spidey> LOL
22:21  * Lucifer_arma core dumped spidey for 3.455x10^200 points.
22:21 <spidey> :o
22:21 <wrtlprnft> 10^200 doesn't fit in a float
22:21 <wrtlprnft> and certainly not into an integer :P
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> score's an int anyway...
22:21 <spidey> #g 3.455*10^200
22:21 <armabot> spidey: 3.45500 * (10^200) = 3.45500 &#215; 10^(200)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455x10^200 % 2^31
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha, google gave it back in even less readable form :)
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <spidey> lol
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455x10^200 mod 2^31
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g mod(3.455x10^200, 2^31)
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> #google "google calculator modulo"
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455x10^200 % 2^32
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
22:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.60 seconds: Google Guide Quick Reference: Google Calculator (Cheat Sheet): <http://www.googleguide.com/print/calc_ref.pdf>; Google Guide Quick Reference: Google Calculator (Cheat Sheet): <http://www.googleguide.com/help/calculator.html>; Google Web Search Features: <http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html>; Google Directory - Science > Math > Algebra > (2 more messages)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455*10^200 % 2^32
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455*10^200 % 2^31
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455*10^200 % pow(2, 32)
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:23 <spidey> #g 3.455*200^10
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #math calc mod(3.455*10^200, pow(2, 32))
22:23 <armabot> spidey: 3.45500 * (200^10) = 3.53792 &#215; 10^(23)
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'mod' is not a defined function.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
22:23  * wrtlprnft pulls out kcalc
22:23 <spidey> ll
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> %  modulo (finds the remainder after division)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> #g (3.455*10^200) % (2^31)
22:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((3.45500 * (10^200))%) * (2^31) = 7.419556 &#215; 10^(207)
22:25 <wrtlprnft> it probably won't be able to calculate it anyways
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2^31
22:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2^31 = 2,147,483,648
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g (3.455*10^200) % 2,147,483,648
22:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:25 <wrtlprnft> say it like that, for all practical reasons you'll get a random score
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it could take years for it
22:25  * Lucifer_arma core dumped spidey for RAND points.
22:26 <wrtlprnft> and since it's using signed ints it will be negative with a .5 chance
22:26 <wrtlprnft> well, actually not .5
22:26 <wrtlprnft> .49999999999
22:26 <wrtlprnft> because 0 isn't negative :P
22:27 <spidey> hmm
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there one more positive number than negative number?
22:27 <spidey> how would i do thi
22:27 <spidey> this
22:27 <wrtlprnft> btw, on my math test:
22:27 <wrtlprnft> can you put a k=-3 in sigma notation?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> like, have k=-3 under it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> sure
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  that's a range
22:27 <wrtlprnft> my math teacher doesn't think so
22:28 <wrtlprnft> he refuses to give me that mark
22:28 <spidey> #success [uptime][roulette]
22:28 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.  spidey: 05:28:01 up 52 days, 5:33, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 *click*
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's like for( k=-3, k<=someothernumber; k++)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> exactly
22:28 <wrtlprnft> but he things k is an unsigned int
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or, a natural number in math terms
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, it's not?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> if it was, we couldn't have our lower limit of integration negative...
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and someothernumber is oo
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, k's definitely a signed int, your math teacher is just smoking crack
22:29 <wrtlprnft> grr, I'm gonna get him for that
22:29 <wrtlprnft> I want that mark
22:29 <spidey> lol
22:29  * wrtlprnft looks for the wikipedia article that proves it
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I tell you, it's a big sum that lies under integration, and you can pick any arbitrary range
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, if my scanner was working I'd send you a scan of a page out of my calc textbook that shows it ;)
22:29  * wrtlprnft won't mention he got 47.5/48 on that test, including the bonus question
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> damn, you couldn't do better?
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> 47.5 IS FAILING
22:30 <wrtlprnft> no :D
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh, out of 48 possible
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> :P
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 47.5/.48
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 47.5 / .48 = 98.9583333
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 48.5/.48
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 48.5 / .48 = 101.041667
22:30 <wrtlprnft> i want that mark!
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, my teacher sets a limit of 100, so bonus points cn't give you more than 100
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't believe in percentages > 100
22:31 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-195-208.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> it helps him when he gets the penis spam emails
22:31 <spidey> mommy can i goto a party and get drunk pwease i'll clean my room!
22:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my teacher uses some school math program that most teachers use, and it believes in it :P
22:32 <wrtlprnft> (btw I don't think many teachers fully understand that thing)
22:32 <Your_mom_arma> spidey, sure why not as long as your over 21
22:32 <spidey> damn :<
22:32 <wrtlprnft> you should hear some of the statements my english teacher makes :D
22:32 <wrtlprnft> totally gets the math wrong
22:32  * Lucifer_arma notes that most teachers are technophobes and Your_mom_arma is a bit of a wet blanket sometimes.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I never did like trusting my GPA to english teachers
22:33 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summation
22:33 <wrtlprnft> look at one of the examples
22:33 <wrtlprnft> 0<=k<100
22:33 <spidey> ok luci email sent :/
22:33 <wrtlprnft> that proves that k does NOT have to be a natural number
22:35  * wrtlprnft is gonna print that out and hold it under his math teacher's nose
22:35 <spidey> why bitch about a 98? :D
22:36 <spidey> i wouldn't
22:36 <wrtlprnft> I will
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that doesn't prove it can be an integer, only that it can be a whole number
22:36 <wrtlprnft> If i didn't bitch about a 98 I would never get to bitch
22:36 <spidey> besides if you piss him off by proving you're smarter,he might knock a few points off the final adverage
22:36 <wrtlprnft> 0 is not a natural number
22:36 <wrtlprnft> and -3 is an integer
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> 0 is a whole number, though
22:37 <wrtlprnft> I don't care if it could be a real number
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> natural number, then whole number (natural numbers + 0), then integer
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, edit the pge real quick and add an example that includes -1, then print it
22:37 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:37 <spidey> hahahha
22:38 <spidey> what if he goes to the page though?
22:38 <spidey> and sees it's not there
22:38 <spidey> then wrtl's pwned
22:38 <wrtlprnft> don't wanna make a photo of your math book real quick?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> he can check the page history and see that wrtl added it :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> let me see if I can find such a page real quick
22:39 <wrtlprnft> I'll get him for discussing with me and making me look stupid :P
22:39 <spidey> lmfao
22:40 <spidey> why not just do what i used to do when i went to school
22:40 <spidey> talk so much shit about it the teacher gets confused and agrees with you
22:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, anyways:
22:40 <spidey> then again my teachers where just about as stupid as me
22:40 <spidey> :/
22:40 <wrtlprnft> > is the sum of f(k) over all (integer) k in the specified range,
22:41  * spidey is getting his GED next year
22:41 <spidey> >.>
22:41 <spidey> actually this year
22:42 <spidey> ohhh
22:42 <spidey> i can get my license to
22:42 <spidey> woot
22:42 <spidey> argh,that means i'ma have to get a job aswell
22:43  * spidey refuses to work at mcdonalds unless lcifer goes there
22:43 <spidey> then i can spit on his big mac xD
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I didn't find just one sum with a negative k
22:44 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that one sentence basically says it
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> plenty of integrals with a negative lower bound, but if your teacher doesn't know about the Riemann Sum, he won't know an integral from his ass
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> in which case, you'd have to show him the connection
22:45 <wrtlprnft> and, he has to show me where the book says that it has to be a whole number :P
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> that sentence does say it, and the page is in precise math terms, it should be good just like it is
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> even better if you can find the book saying integer too :)
22:46  * wrtlprnft doesn't have the math book
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> now that I think about it, I can believe my book doesn't show negative k's there
22:46 <wrtlprnft> we don't use it, but I'm sure my teacher has a copy
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> it uses 0 and 1 as the lower bound because it's easier to show in examples with real summations, then it goes on to use negative lower bounds in definite integrals
22:47 <wrtlprnft> it was something like (k=1)E(oo) 64 * 0.25^(k-1)
22:47 <wrtlprnft> and I simplified it to (k=-3)E(oo) 0.25^k
22:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, the thing left of the E is upposed to go on the bottom, the bracket right (infinity sign) to the top
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> are you sure it simplifies that way?
22:50  * spidey is watching another documentry
22:50 <wrtlprnft> 64 * 0.25^(1-1) = 64
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 0.25^(-3) = 4^3 = 2^6 = 64
22:51 <wrtlprnft> same thing
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> for k=1, what about k=1000?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter
22:51 <wrtlprnft> you're going to infinity, right?
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
22:51 <wrtlprnft> the first term matters, for all further ones you're just taking a quarter of the previous one
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1/4)^1000
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 4)^1,000 = 0
22:53 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1/4)^10
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 4)^10 = 9.53674316 &#215; 10^(-7)
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> better
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^9
22:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-3)
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^9) = 0.000244140625
22:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 3)) = 0.00390625
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-4)
22:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 4)) = 0.015625
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^11
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-2)
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^11) = 1.52587891 &#215; 10^(-5)
22:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 2)) = 0.0009765625
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^12
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^12) = 3.81469727 &#215; 10^(-6)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^13
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^13) = 9.53674316 &#215; 10^(-7)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> duh
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you're right
22:54 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm sleepy
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it's been a very long time since I've had to work seriously with sums like that :)
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> what we do in my calc class is make a Riemann Sum, which is one of those things, and then make it an integral.  so we pass through the sum part to get to the fun part :)
22:55 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:56  * wrtlprnft wants to have a more advanced math course
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, I need to do some solids of rotation using shells before I go to bed
22:56 <wrtlprnft> shells?
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> you'll love calculus :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
22:56 <wrtlprnft> bash?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> zsh?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> ksh?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> csh?
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> you make a couple of graphs that intersect and make an enclosed figure
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> then you rotate that figure on an axis
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> then you setup some thin-walled cylinders (pipes, really)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> then you sum them all up and let their thickness go to 0, and the number you end up with is the volume of the object
22:57 <wrtlprnft> which object?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> the "sum them all up and let their thickness go to 0" is the Riemann Sum thing I mentioned
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> the object that you made by taking a couple of graphs and rotating them on an axis
22:58 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:58 <wrtlprnft> so you mean 3d graphs?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> the graphs rotate through z-space, so the axis is a x= or y= axis
22:58 <wrtlprnft> won't get a solid thing with 2d graphs...
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> not quite 3d graphs, it's still using 2d graph stuff to work.  I think there's harder stuff in my future with actual 3d graphs.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> you don't happen to have your math notes on your website?
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, I take those by pencil, sorry
22:59 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, hang on
22:59 <wrtlprnft> who needs history notes? :P ;)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> :P + ;) * ;P?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> s/*/=
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> damn page
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try googling "solids of revolution"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #g "solids of revolution"
23:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #gogle "solids of revolution"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #google "solids of revolution"
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> you're bound to hit someone's neato webpage with killer pictures
23:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.46 seconds: Solids of Revolution: <http://chuwm2.tripod.com/revolution/>; Visualizations for Volumes of Solids in Calculus: <http://mathdemos.gcsu.edu/solids/>; 4.8 Volumes of Solids of Revolution: <http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~klbooksite/4.08/408.html>; Calculus I (Math 2413) - Applications of Integrals - Volumes of ...: (2 more messages)
23:02 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah ok
23:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what you meant by rotation
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
23:02  * wrtlprnft knows that from povray
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it would have made more sense if I'd said extrusion?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> probably
23:03 <wrtlprnft> we actually did some stuff in germany, but just with simple forms
23:03 <wrtlprnft> like triangles and parts of circles
23:03 <wrtlprnft> anything that will only contain spheres and cones in the end ;)
23:05 <spidey> lol @ this
23:05 <spidey> :s
23:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:06 <spidey> i'm watching a documentry on supermassive black holes
23:06 <spidey> they're basically saying every galaxy has one only some are not "feeding" (sucking things in) 
23:07 <spidey> which would mean there's one in our galaxy ;s
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> isn't tht one of the hypotheses on what's at the center of our galaxy?
23:10 <spidey> that's what i just said....
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:10 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, ok.  heh
23:11 <spidey> but
23:11  * Lucifer_arma thinks we're subatomic particles in a nuclear explosion
23:11 <spidey> wouldn't that mean we're destin to be sucked to another galaxy?
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> no?
23:11 <spidey> well
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> I think it would mean that when our universe cools, we'll just be somebody's dust somewhere
23:12 <spidey> s/.universe/galaxy ?
23:12  * Lucifer_arma thinks it would be neat if we could shrink ourselves to a level where we could walk on electrons and found trees and planets and stuff
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, universe
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's consistent with the Big Bang theory :)
23:13 <spidey> i thought that was only for stars...
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> so from our point of view, all matter in the universe came from some mass of plutonium or uranium
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> nonono, see, what we see as stars are the nuclei of atoms in a macroverse overlaying our own universe
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> planets are electrons
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> which makes us subatomic particles no matter how you slice it
23:14 <spidey> 'er
23:14 <spidey> so
23:14  * Lucifer_arma hopes the molecule our solar system is in has a charge so we can leave our solar system
23:14 <spidey> you're saying we're midgets to someone else?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, midgets are just half-sized humans
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> we're even tinier
23:14 <spidey> lmao
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if there was someone in the vicinity of our universe when it blew, they're not there anymore
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> but all of what's happening to us in billions of years is happening in the blink of an eye (or a little longer) to some folks engaged in some war that involves nuclear weapons
23:15 <spidey> yea
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so, if that's true, then maybe when we blow something up, we spawn an entire universe in the process
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so to make more life, we need only bomb more cities
23:15 <spidey> it's safe to say i don't wanna believe that
23:16 <spidey> seeing as when someone else decides to nue someone else we're dead
23:16 <spidey> pssh
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> ?  how's that?
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if there were another nuclear explosion nearby, sure, our universe would have to collide with it
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> but woudl we even notice?
23:17 <Your_mom_arma> i thought time was a constant
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, would it even happen while we're around?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the problem here is that we can only observe from our own point of view :)
23:17 <spidey> heh
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> would we even be able to detect a timescale that takes our hundreds of billions of years and compresses it into a few moments in another, larger universe?
23:18 <spidey> doubtful
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, how long did it take the bomb at Hiroshima to finish detonating?  Before all the dust settled and the particles cooled
23:18 <spidey> unless the larger universe did it for us
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, but can they even detect us?  And if so, wht do we look like?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you're a neutrino and you just don't know it
23:19 <spidey> hahahah
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> wheres socrates when i need him
23:19 <spidey> heh
23:20 <spidey> but if that where true
23:20 <spidey> wouldn't that mean there's other living things in other solar systems/galaxies ?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  It doesn't make it a certainty, but it makes it highly likely
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I thinkk, I could be wrong about that
23:21 <spidey> heh
23:21 <spidey> but if it where true,then it's is possible aliens do exsist and possibly some of the people wheren't lien when they said they saw them
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> now you're just getting crazy :)
23:22 <spidey> meh
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> so our solar system would have an atomic number of 9, which atom is that?
23:22 <spidey> beware of the zorgons!!!!
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe not
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> do the moons around each planet count as electrons?
23:22 <spidey> hmm
23:22 <spidey> i kinda forgot my science clases
23:22 <spidey> :/
23:22 <spidey> i used to be awesome at science
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> where do subatomic particles fit into this?
23:23 <spidey> then i started sleeping in class >.>
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's what we are, because our solar system is an atom
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> and we are smaller than that, so we are subatomic particles
23:23 <spidey> ok
23:23 <spidey> but what is a black hole?
23:23 <spidey> and where does it fit in?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know
23:23 <spidey> :p
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think those are God's toilets, to be honest
23:23 <spidey> lmfao
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> so wouldnt that mean there are beings on every panet that is the same type of atom we are?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, see, now you're assuming that we know all about subatomic particles in our own universe, and we don't
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's a wildly active area of physics
23:24 <MaZuffeR> "Black holes are where God divided by zero." - Copy to Clipboard
23:24 <MaZuffeR>   --  Steven Wright
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:24 <spidey> unless a crazy scientist from a larger universe started playing with atoms and rearranging things
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that what they did when they put too much plutonium together?
23:25 <spidey> heh
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't the big bang theory say that in the beginning, all matter in our universe was one hugely dense piece of matter?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> Then it just started expanding
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I seem to recall that some folks think it compressed a bit first
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, if that's do, look at one of the ways you build a nuclear bomb
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you take some plutonium and surround it with a conventional explosive
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> so antimatter is just the random suff that the big bang couldnt fill
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> stuff even
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> when you detonite the conventional explosive, it compresses the plutonium, which reaches critical mass, then blows up
23:27 <spidey> so our universe was made by a nuke?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> yep
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> and that oort cloud around our solar system could be part of some kid's brain
23:28 <spidey> with this theory that would mean it applies for our larger universe and the one bigger than that
23:28 <spidey> and so on
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and smaller too
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> infinitely recursive in both directions
23:28 <spidey> so if i stomp on the ground i could kill 6billion people?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> and technically it's a hypothesis :)
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> i think you stole this from the men in black movies
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see why, the hypothesis doesn't include cold matter like what's on the ground, it only includes the matter that's in the explosion we're in
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, actually it's a pretty old concept, afaik, and I ripped it from a STTNG episode that predates MIB :)
23:29 <spidey> lol @ mom
23:30 <spidey> in 3 billion years our galaxy will end
23:30 <spidey> it'll collide with andromida
23:30 <spidey> another galaxy
23:30 <spidey> ;s
23:30 <spidey> so humands are dead anyways :o
23:30 <spidey> humans*
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> ?  just because our galaxy ends doesn't mean everything in it is over
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> just that a new galaxy will form or something like that
23:31 <spidey> wait
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> we'll just need to hang tight and hope none of the planets we live on collide with anything else
23:31 <GodTodd> cockroaches will survive....and apparently ants in TX
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  GodTodd will be lurking to jump in with some smart-ass comment, too.
23:32 <spidey> "if we're lucky and on the other side of the galaxy,we'll be thrown into the emtpiness of space"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> He's going to heckle this collision endlessly :)
23:32 <GodTodd> usually ;)
23:32 <spidey> if not,we'll be a big bang
23:32 <spidey> heh
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe andromeda is part of some other nearby explosion?
23:33 <spidey> 'uno
23:33 <spidey> now i'ma watch a documentry on the military
23:33 <spidey> wait i've seen that one
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> is it one of those show-the-flag-woo-woo-America-kicks-ass documentaries?
23:34 <spidey> no
23:34 <spidey> did you know
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> yes
23:34 <spidey> there'a 11 nukes lost on american soil
23:34 <spidey> that the military lost
23:34 <spidey> and are still active
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's all?
23:34 <spidey> heh
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> what about what's under the oceans?
23:34 <GodTodd> probably all in NM ;)
23:34 <spidey> that's all THEY SAY
23:34 <spidey> but who knows
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> there are some counts
23:35 <spidey> they only tell you enough to make you leave them alone
23:35 <spidey> then it's back to the secrete stuff
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> better check wikipedia, there's an article where they try to account for all the lost nukes
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> that doesnt even mention all the nuclear wase that dissapears into new jersey
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> waste even
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> by nuke I don't just mean warhead either, I mean nuclear power plants (submarines) too
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: that's not nuclear waste, those are immigrants
23:36 <spidey> hahah
23:36 <spidey> that's mean
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> really so three mile island is filled with canadians?
23:36 <spidey> LOL
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> worse yet, it's filled with French Canadians
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:36  * spidey 's stomach hurts
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> didn't they just close the one reactor there, though?
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> three mile island has been shut down for years, its a miny chernoble
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> there were like 3-4 reactors, and only one of them got fucked up, the others have kept running...
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> mini
23:37  * spidey has 82 videos
23:38  * spidey goes to find more documentries
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh ok, it was closed
23:39 <spidey> heh
23:39 <spidey> 264 results for "discovery channel"
23:39 <spidey> there's one "the history of haxing"
23:39 <spidey> lolz
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, TMI-1 is still in operation, it says on wikipedia
23:41 <GodTodd> three mile island is still somewhat operational according to wikipedia
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> TMI-2 is closed
23:41 <GodTodd> blah lucifer :P
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_Nuclear_Generating_Station
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> i was mistaken apperently
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same thing at chernobyl, isn't it?  3 of the original 4 reactors are still running?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that last chernobyl reaactor was shut down in 2000
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> Reactor 4 is the one that blew up on my -10 wedding anniversary, reactor 2 had a fire in 1991, Reactor 1 was shut down in 1998, and Reactor 4 in 2000, closing the plant
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, make that last one reactor 3
23:49 <spidey> sun of a bitch
23:49 <spidey> fuck fuck fuck >.>
23:50 <spidey> i just gave myself 45 minutes of cleaning
23:50 <spidey> grr brb
23:53 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
23:53 <spidey> wow
23:53 <spidey> i dumped my droor out but the ash tray didn't spill
23:54 <spidey> found another one of my harddrives
23:54 <spidey> lol

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