Log from 2006-06-01:
--- Day changed Thu Jun 01 2006
00:29 <spidey> wanna pwn cvs luci?
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> few minutes, I've got a cd ripping and a compile going. When both of those are done, sure
00:29 <spidey> k ;D
00:30 * Lucifer_arma is getting his cd collection ripped to ogg vorbis finally.
00:30 <spidey> hehehe
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's on the fifth of 12 songs
00:30 <spidey> luckily my stereo plays music burnt in data format
00:30 <spidey> so i can fit hella lot of songs on 1 cd
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, I admit, I'm doing it for the car computer I"m putting together. :) I want to fit more songs on the 4GB hard drive
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 13GB collection, but most of it I don't have in original uncompressed format, so I'm trimming what I can.
00:35 <spidey> lmao
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00:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's nice, distcc is finally working
00:36 <spidey> i wonder
00:36 <spidey> if my stereo will play music burnt on a dvd -r in data format
00:37 <spidey> know any dvd -r burners for linux?
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> cdrdao
00:37 <spidey> k
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> k3b should support it just fine
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you're a gnomer aren't you?
00:38 <spidey> kde
00:39 <spidey> installing flux when i get unlazy
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> yay, we have /console now :)
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, going to fortress
00:56 <spidey> kk
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01:09 <spidey> ;p;
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft hey, ummm, why do callbacks have to be members of cCockpit?
01:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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02:44 <spidey> hey joda :)
02:44 <joda_bot> hi
02:44 * node7 greets everybody before sitting down, eating a cracker and idling :)
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06:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes they do currently
06:53 <wrtlprnft> they need the m_Player, m_ViewportPlayer, etc, which is stored in cCockpit ;)
06:53 <wrtlprnft> or some of them do, actually most
06:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: /console gets interpreted on the client?
07:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: cvscheck is now devcheck. we may be adding darcs mirrors, and "make svncheck && darcs push" just doesn't sound right :)
07:11 <z-man> /console is interpreted on the client, yes. It would be fatal if the server did it :) But I think it's not in the right spot yet.
07:13 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should add another key for commands interpreted on the client? That's a mess right now methinks
07:13 <wrtlprnft> like #console blah, #vote pimp
07:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't crash for me, but i don't see explosions, either :(
07:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: does the client know what zone belongs to which team?
07:22 <z-man> about #: maybe, yes.
07:22 <z-man> about zones: no.
07:22 <z-man> It just knows the color.
07:23 <z-man> Umm, I guess that makes ed's feature request a bit difficult...
07:23 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
07:23 <z-man> The client doesn't even know whether it's a win, kill or fortress zone.
07:23 <z-man> We'd need server determined HUD elements, it seems.
07:23 <wrtlprnft> I mean, i could just compare the color with the team color, but that's a hack
07:23 <z-man> eek
07:24 <wrtlprnft> the trouble with those server HUD elements is, how does the client know where to place them?
07:24 <z-man> Heh, from a cockpit resource.
07:25 <z-man> the placement would be determined client side, the values server side.
07:25 <z-man> Of course, the cockpit would need to be adapted to new server features, but better just the cockpit than the game code.
07:26 <wrtlprnft> so you say, just make data sources that come from the server?
07:26 <wrtlprnft> and the server tells the client which sources it can provide
07:27 <z-man> Right.
07:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm. can you help me with the network stuff then? I have no clue at all about it
07:28 <wrtlprnft> i guess the client needs a way to request which ones it wants to get sent, and the server sends them at every sync
07:31 <z-man> I think I can help there, yes.
07:33 <z-man> An interesting problem would be player dependant stuff. It needs to be possible to attach the info elements to teams and players, so the client can pick the right ladder position indicator for its player.
07:33 * z-man will think of something.
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07:44 <wrtlprnft> well, the client requests what information it wants, right?
07:44 <wrtlprnft> Then it will just send the player id, the name of the callback as a string, and some ID thingy so the string doesn't have to be transferred again
07:45 <Luke-Jr> is the hiearchial, cascading, 3D configuration system assigned to someone? =p
07:45 <wrtlprnft> and the server memorizes a function pointer to the callback it's gonna used, the ID, the client ID, and the player
07:45 * wrtlprnft assigns it to Luke-Jr
07:46 <wrtlprnft> :P
07:46 <Luke-Jr> crap :x
07:46 <Luke-Jr> I'd probably end up rewriting it, since I have no idea how the current one works
07:46 * wrtlprnft pushes it far away from wrtlprnft
07:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: OOP, right? Please no weird functions
07:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: probably, since the settings would apply to objects
07:48 <Luke-Jr> I guess the plan is more of "OO" rather than "hiearchial"
07:48 <wrtlprnft> what about storing tValues in settings?
07:48 <Luke-Jr> shrug, ask whoever ends up writing it =p
07:48 <wrtlprnft> O_o_�
07:48 <Luke-Jr> What is a tValue anyway?
07:49 <Luke-Jr> can it be more than just functions?
07:49 <Luke-Jr> eg, colours, strings, resources
07:49 <wrtlprnft> currently it can be an int, string, float or special type
07:49 <wrtlprnft> special types would be config items, callbacks, conditions, math et
07:49 <wrtlprnft> c
07:50 <wrtlprnft> all that exists already :)
07:50 <Luke-Jr> BTW, how would you like the idea of having MAP_FILE be internally a {author, category, name, version} struct/class, and assignable either as MAP_FILE.Author (etc) or MAP_FILE ?
07:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm. that should be doable
07:50 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so it'd need support for resources and colours at least
07:51 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't be that hard to add colors
07:51 <Luke-Jr> nor resources
07:51 <wrtlprnft> resources... you mean the entire parsed thing or just the path/meta info?
07:51 <Luke-Jr> just need a bit of the planned enhancements to the resource system
07:51 <Luke-Jr> neither
07:51 <Luke-Jr> the tResource subclass
07:52 <Luke-Jr> which is parsed/loaded on demand
07:52 <Luke-Jr> (or in advance, if limitations require)
07:52 <Luke-Jr> but tValue doesn't need to know if it's loaded or not ;)
07:52 <Luke-Jr> nor does anything, really, since the loading is transparent
07:53 <wrtlprnft> so it would contain a pointer?
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16:27 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> darn provider
16:28 <MaZuffeR> n54 just told us he likes cucumber
16:28 * wrtlprnft likes gurken (cucumbers) too
16:28 <wrtlprnft> agurk it was, right?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: they don't necessarily have to be
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the responsible tValue class is a template to accept any member of any object
16:30 <wrtlprnft> but you'd have to add them to cWidget::WithDataFunctions in a different way
16:30 <n54> yup wrtlprnft :)
16:30 <n54> and hello MaZuffeR :)
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, so they just can't be regular functions?
16:31 * Lucifer_arma core dumps MaZuffeR for 1 points.
16:31 <MaZuffeR> hi
16:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: currently not
16:32 <wrtlprnft> they have to be a nonstatic member of some object
16:32 * n54 tries to remember hello in finnish but never manages
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think Luke-Jr just won the award for most harebrained post ever: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=52611#52611 <--- how about cockpit elements?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> but feel free to add another tValue::Callback that removes that constraint
16:33 <wrtlprnft> second, just going through posts
16:33 <wrtlprnft> no, no real clue for i18n
16:33 * Lucifer_arma also wants to il8n the announcer, if reasonable
16:34 <wrtlprnft> maybe we can add the possibility to use language strings everyone in the cockpit where it expects text
16:34 <n54> as in have him7her speak in tons of languages?
16:34 * Lucifer_arma notes that we could just do the code for it, but provide abstract noises in the default installation
16:34 <wrtlprnft> then add some things like rubber, brake etc
16:34 <MaZuffeR> hello is moi or hei in finnish
16:34 <wrtlprnft> the rest would remain untranslated
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's fairly obvious, imo, that we'll just do something like that. There was talk of switching to gnu gettext, though, so we'd use what gettext wants.
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16:35 <Lucifer_arma> the real question, I think, has more to do with how to make it possible for other people to il8n their own resources with strings that don't ship with the game and ship their translations with the resource
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> so would we do, for example, something like <Files> <Translation language="de" file="douche.pot" /> ?
16:36 <n54> ah moi was the word I had forgotten
16:36 <wrtlprnft> just make a section in the cockpit where you can define your own language strings?
16:36 <n54> thank you :)
16:36 <wrtlprnft> <i18n>
16:36 <MaZuffeR> :)
16:36 <wrtlprnft> <string name="rubber">
16:37 <wrtlprnft> <translation lang="de" value="gummi" />
16:37 <wrtlprnft> <translation lang="en" value="rubber" />
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> that would require the cockpit file to be able to handle all sorts of encodings. While utf-8 is supposed to satisfy us, I'd prefer not to have to deal with other encodings in the cockpit file itself
16:37 <wrtlprnft> <!-- ... -->
16:37 <wrtlprnft> </string>
16:37 <wrtlprnft> <!-- ... -->
16:37 <wrtlprnft> </i18n>
16:37 <wrtlprnft> the
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> wow, so gummi bear = rubber bear?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> then make an extra resource for that?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> gummib�r it is
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> does that make translations resources, then?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> or gummibaer
16:38 <wrtlprnft> or gummibar with two dots over the a
16:39 <wrtlprnft> I'd say the basic translations won't be resources
16:39 <wrtlprnft> but you can resources to add on those
16:39 <wrtlprnft> *use
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> but if translations are resources, then do we have to link to translations directly, or just use strings that are in them and the cockpit (and other resources) will do the right thing?
16:39 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: for some reason, thought you were talking about only maps
16:39 <Luke-Jr> go figure, I just woke up
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm of a mind that thinks that whenever we take game data that ships with the game and turn it into a resource, then the actual data we ship should be converted to resources
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: go edit your post with something intelligent before anybody else notices
16:40 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: why does wrtl's thing require other encodings?
16:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, we would support to overlay any number of translations
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm pretty sleepy and don't know if I'm making much sense in general, and z-man should be part of this conversation since he did a very thorough evaluation of translation systems awhile back
16:43 <Luke-Jr> <switch e="language"><case e="de">ist</case><case e="en" fallthru="default" /><default>is</default></switch>
16:44 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:44 <Luke-Jr> =p
16:44 * Lucifer_arma notes that there are over 1000 languages in use on the planet today
16:44 <wrtlprnft> e?
16:44 <Luke-Jr> expression?
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g e
16:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: e = 2.71828183
16:45 <wrtlprnft> #...
16:45 <Luke-Jr> #g pi
16:46 * nemostultae notes that XML is a terrible base to write a programming language in
16:46 * Luke-Jr notes it's been done
16:46 <n54> amen nemo
16:46 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: tried xslt?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what do you refer to in your ... post?
16:47 <Luke-Jr> XML is a terrible base for anything complex to be edited by humans only.
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> that means "insert somethiing smart here"
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> xml just plain sucks, why are we even using it?
16:48 <Luke-Jr> one of my side projects is a XML-based lanugage ;)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> we should just make our own binary file formats
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> we'll use 12 bits per word to deal with endianness, so we have to do byte-flipping no matter where we're running
16:48 <nemostultae> You write programs in binary?
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> resources! :)
16:49 * Lucifer_arma remembers typing programs in in oct back on the c-64
16:49 <Luke-Jr> pfft
16:49 <Luke-Jr> endianness isn't a problem
16:49 <Luke-Jr> there's only one logical way to do it after all
16:49 <Luke-Jr> Where's the logic in bits 9-16 followed by 1-8?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it should read from left->right just like a regular decimal number when you write it
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> 1020 is one thousand twenty, not two thousand ten
16:50 <Luke-Jr> or 201
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> right
16:51 <Luke-Jr> I could go with a binary format if it's extensible ;)
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> no way, we're gonna pack everything in as tight as possible to keep it as small as possible
16:51 <Luke-Jr> then we can change XML formats on the run and just recompile them for a new binary format
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> we'll write alib, which is armagetron compression, and use our own compressors
16:51 <Luke-Jr> kk
16:52 <Luke-Jr> if you insist
16:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't see any other devs playing very often?
16:52 <Luke-Jr> just fix sound first
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> forget that, we'll just start at the kernel level. I'm not a big fan of this monolithic thing sitting underneath me anyway
16:52 <wrtlprnft> I'm playing am hour or so a day on average, and joda is online quite often too :)
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: not really, no. Of course, a prerequisite for me to see them playing often is for me to play often. :)
16:52 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:53 <Luke-Jr> I play maybe once a month, outside of testing
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> nah, my point wsn't that they don't play, just that they don't encounter each other a whole helluva lot, and it goes in phases anyway.
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16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I used to see nemo all the time, but now he's never around.
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16:54 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
16:54 <Luke-Jr> /msg Nixda211 screw you
16:54 <nemostultae> nixda is the old server that housed all the people who crashed other servers, right?
16:54 * Lucifer_arma suspects Luke-Jr's sound problems are local, since everyone else that he's talked to that's built with the new sound stuff has reported success
16:55 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: nixda kinda belongs ot joda...
16:55 <nemostultae> hmm, other server then
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's how I remember Nixda too, actually. Except that I found out later that nixda just hosts the german community and is very noob friendly.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> so it's probably just that it's noob friendly, and new punks tend to like to do stuff like that, and there's a pretty steady flow of new punks into and then out of the game.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:56 <wrtlprnft> and nixda is joda's webchat, the one i use for wrtl_web_broken
16:56 <wrtlprnft> #seen wrtl_web_broken
16:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtl_web_broken was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <wrtl_web_broken> anyways, I'll try renaming myself to phil once in a while, I'm sure it will work one day
16:57 <wrtlprnft> phil is still online
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> I /msg'ed that phil guy to see if he could come here for a second. I think he's a bot, though.
16:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> he's in lots of channels, he's here all the time?
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's got channel-logger written all over it.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> looks like it
16:59 <joda_bot> http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=22938&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=163&iSubCat=166&iProductID=22938
16:59 <joda_bot> From the tronsector website
16:59 <nemostultae> thats where all the donated money should go -- buying developers tron jackets
17:00 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:00 * wrtlprnft thinks we're taking money too seriously right now
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> can I get an Indiana Jones jacket instead?
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> I would look pretty stupid wearing a tron jacket and an indiana jones hat..
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> you know, stupider than I look just wearing the hat
17:01 <joda_bot> lol
17:01 <wrtlprnft> go find a tron hat!
17:01 <joda_bot> How about Ed Keefe's Tron Comic ?
17:01 <joda_bot> Is our Ed Ed Keefe ?
17:01 <joda_bot> I guess he might be
17:01 * Lucifer_arma thinks so
17:02 <joda_bot> http://www.tron-sector.com/ftp/Miscellaneous/TRON_RequestAccessToCluProgram_compressed.pdf
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> or our ed copied it, one of the two. But ed linked a tron comic that he was making.
17:02 <wrtlprnft> you mean edd on the forums, right?
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, ed on the command line
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17:03 <wrtlprnft> the guy who makes all those nice maps and splash screens and cycle screens and whatever
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, tron had the right solution to the whole line ending problem. Instead of just saying CR or LF, or CRLF, they say "END OF LINE"
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that ed
17:03 <nemostultae> ed keefe is the one who makes all the tron light-cycle models.
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't ed keefe look just like pee-wee herman?
17:04 * joda_bot praises Ed's work
17:05 <joda_bot> He seems to have a 3d model of a complete game grid including surroundings ;)
17:05 <joda_bot> wow lovely ;)
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.a1eddie.com/image1.htm
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.a1eddie.com/movie7.htm
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.a1eddie.com/movie2.htm <--- very nice
17:08 <joda_bot> cool he put a advertisement at the end of the comic for armagetron advanced
17:08 <joda_bot> ;)
17:09 <joda_bot> You've seen the movie, read the book, now fight for the users on the game grid...
17:09 <joda_bot> We really need some better from of news aggregation
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> but....watch out for that wall!
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> I want instant chat resources. So I can have like 3-5 packages of instant chats I like to use and pick the ones I want loaded at any point in time.
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> then I can be annoying in my choice of flavors!
17:13 <wrtlprnft> I want that font ed uses for his tron stuff, the one on the title screen :(
17:13 <wrtlprnft> that would be the perfect font for the menu
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> my house is being invaded by black spiders with bright yellow stripes
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> they look like tron spiders, to be honest
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, the music display on the HUD looks really ugly right now
17:21 <wrtlprnft> it makes the left column far to wide
17:21 <wrtlprnft> I'd opt for some spot on the bottom left
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm. I tested it in a separate widget and then tossed it in where it's at without testing, sorry. :(
17:22 <wrtlprnft> np
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> also, if we have any path-trimming functions that'll give me just what's after the last slash, I'd like to know about them. :)
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17:22 <wrtlprnft> does it really matter? I thought
17:22 <wrtlprnft> !
17:22 <wrtlprnft> say something guy
17:23 <wrtlprnft> <continued> you wanted to replace it by the title anyways?
17:23 <nemostultae> basename, lucifer?
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> hi phil, bye phil
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> #notes
17:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I currently have notes waiting for a*, guru3, Luke-Jr, madmax*, p*, phil, and phil*.
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> hmm... Got any other bright ideas?
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> um, nemostultae: we have a basename function?
17:25 <nemostultae> c does
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes, I do, but the title should come either from tags in the music file, or for aatracks from the xml file. If failing the first for regular songs, then basename
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> the catch is, sdl_mixer and sdl_audio aren't capable of reading those tags, so we're basically looking at another dependency. Arg.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #man 3 basename
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> grr, useless thing
17:27 <wrtlprnft> but look at that manpage :)
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> NOTE: click here if you get an empty page. <--- ? that doesn't make any sense.
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17:34 <wrtlprnft> wow, cia is fast in getting committs
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> svn isn't down anymore, I guess. Just committed a fix.
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> using bsename :)
17:35 <Lucifer_arma> on non-gnu platforms, need to check if string.h has a basename function, the docs I found were glibc-oriented
17:35 <Lucifer_arma> and the one in libgen.h wanted a char* instead of a const char*
17:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: use const_cast for that
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> libgen modifies the string, and the string itself is in a tString...
17:36 <wrtlprnft> basename(const_cast<char *> yourconstcharptr);
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> didn't feel safe to me.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> ah ok, makes sense then
17:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought it was just the wrong header and it didn't modify it
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> if it doesn't work out, we can make a wrapper that uses the glibc one from string.h on gnu platforms and then wraps the libgen.h one for other platforms
17:37 <Lucifer_arma> we = I in this case, more than likely :)
17:37 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:37 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: http://www.dafont.com/font.php?file=tron ?
17:38 <wrtlprnft> no, not that one
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> is that the same one I stumbled across that misery posted when I didn't? ;)
17:38 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ok it's not ed's font ;)
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> does gcc on windows use glibc, too?
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17:39 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: look at the @ sign in that font you linked
17:40 <wrtlprnft> that's the weirdest one I've ever seen
17:40 <joda_bot> yeah i know ;)
17:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I also got another font called xenotron but it doesn't match either
17:41 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's not even a real tron font...
17:41 <wrtlprnft> it would just be cool because of the title ;)
17:42 <n54> I think so Lucifer
17:42 <n54> I would be somewhat surprised if it didn't
17:43 <n54> but perhaps that code::blocks thingy does something rare although it used mingw didn't it? if so it should be glibc
17:43 * n54 presumes the code::block thingy uses gcc, otherwise what would be the point of it?
17:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just use the library function. If it doesn't work it will be the windows support guy's job to fix it :P
17:44 * wrtlprnft glances at z-man-work
17:44 <wrtlprnft> or just all linux as one of our dependencies
17:45 <wrtlprnft> *add
17:45 * n54 thinks it's a good idea to support multiple platforms
17:45 <joda_bot> http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/typodermic/nasalization/regular/
17:45 <joda_bot> ;)
17:45 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:
17:46 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: used the splash to look it up
17:46 <wrtlprnft> n54: that was meant to be a joke :)
17:47 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: thanks :)
17:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, but...
17:47 <wrtlprnft> nvm
17:54 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:54 <wrtlprnft> viewing the license of that font...
17:54 <wrtlprnft> i can alter it, exept [a-z][A-Z][0-9]
17:55 <wrtlprnft> but can I reproduce it? Like put it onto Luke-Jr's repository?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> nvm
17:55 <nemostultae> It isn't a free font.
17:55 <wrtlprnft> - Installation and Use. You may install and use an unlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT. You may copy and distribute unlimited copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT as you receive them, in any medium, provided that you publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice. Keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and give any other recipients of the fonts a copy of this License along with the fonts.
17:55 <wrtlprnft> it's not GPL compatible, no
17:56 <wrtlprnft> but stuff on Luke-Jr's repository doesn't have to be since it isn't distributed together with the game
17:56 <wrtlprnft> as long as i keep the license there and don't alter those chars I'm fine doing with it whatever i want
17:57 <wrtlprnft> it's more free (as in freedom) than most other free (as in free beer) fonts
17:59 <n54> oh ok wrtlprnft - sorry I see it way above my head when I look up ;)
18:00 <wrtlprnft> :) np
18:02 <wrtlprnft> heck i LOVE that font :)
18:03 <n54> if the above was it's copy notice it might be fruitful to contact the creator
18:04 <spidey> i love piza
18:04 * n54 loves warm bodies
18:04 <n54> *creepy* lol (I meant live ones of course)
18:05 <wrtlprnft> i probably will contact him/her
18:05 <wrtlprnft> that phrase bothers me:
18:05 <wrtlprnft> No payment is required for the use of this font unless it is included with software
18:05 <n54> oh
18:06 <wrtlprnft> strictly it's not gonna be included, but it will be selectable for automatic download
18:06 <n54> but the fact that armagetron is gpl and way cool might change that in our specific case ^^
18:06 <n54> and you can quote me on that :)
18:06 <n54> would be nice if we could include it
18:06 <wrtlprnft> well, the fact that it's GPL restricts us to include that font directly
18:06 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't allow modifications of alphanumeric chars
18:06 <n54> hmm yes
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that might still work out with GFDL
18:07 <n54> yup
18:07 <n54> or he might do some license magic, it's not code after all but graphics
18:07 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=370
18:08 <n54> *loads link*
18:08 <n54> sweet
18:08 <wrtlprnft> i probably need to add |
18:09 <n54> what's with the alternating direction for w and m?
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18:09 * n54 could make a font that's simpilar but not a copy
18:09 <wrtlprnft> one is a small w/m and one is the big W/M
18:09 <n54> similar*
18:09 <n54> ooh ok
18:10 <n54> nice touch
18:10 <wrtlprnft> n54: that font is almost latin-1 complete, so matching that would be a hell of a lot of work
18:11 <n54> I said could ^^ (there's a reason I'm not all that active) :)
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
18:11 <n54> latin-1 isn't that bad though
18:11 <n54> some day :)
18:11 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the ^ says "hypodermic" in it
18:12 <wrtlprnft> but from the licence i could just remove it or move it to some control character
18:12 <n54> *looks up hypodermic cause I'm slightly confused by your use of it*
18:12 <wrtlprnft> no clue what it means
18:12 <wrtlprnft> it just says that in the character
18:13 <n54> heard of a hypodermic needle? hypodermic means under the dermic (skin) layer
18:13 <wrtlprnft> i know
18:13 <wrtlprnft> but what does it mean in that context?
18:14 <n54> are we talking about this cahracter -> ^ ?
18:14 <wrtlprnft> z[\]hypodermic_`abc
18:14 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:14 <n54> huh I had no idea , where does it say hypodermic in it?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> the whole character just says that
18:15 * n54 wonders if wrtlprnft is brain-fucking him :|
18:16 <n54> where?
18:17 <wrtlprnft> or no
18:17 <wrtlprnft> it says typodermic O_O
18:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/typodermic.png
18:17 <n54> `_'
18:19 <n54> fontname?
18:20 <wrtlprnft> Nasalization
18:20 <n54> leave my nose alone! ^^
18:20 <wrtlprnft> Nasalization == name of the font
18:20 <n54> well nazalisation is a real word too ;)
18:21 <n54> typodermic might be too, but I don't really think so
18:21 <n54> "font that goes below the skin/surface"
18:21 * n54 is edugessing
18:22 <n54> but it shouldn't really apply to ^any which way imo :)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> no, it's just the website it originally came from :P
18:22 <n54> however a below baseline traingular spacing mark could be "typodermic" I guess
18:23 <n54> ah ok
18:23 <wrtlprnft> http://www.typodermic.com/
18:23 <n54> so you weren't actually talking about ^itself were you?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> http://www.typodermic.com/14.html
18:23 <wrtlprnft> no, but I can't use a font in arma that displays that at a random character
18:24 <n54> nice pun
18:24 <n54> displays what at a random character?
18:24 <n54> as?
18:24 <n54> even so...
18:24 <wrtlprnft> it displays ""
18:24 <wrtlprnft> it displays "^" as "typodermic"
18:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: anythings I should pay attention to when adding a movie pack
18:24 <n54> ^is not random, unused characters should use a square
18:25 <joda_bot> btw. I uploaded the download button stuff to www.armagetron.nixda.net
18:25 <n54> depending
18:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: to the wiki ... should I first post it on the forums ?
18:25 * n54 really doesn't understand what wrtlprnft is saying, hopefully not too important ^^
18:26 <wrtlprnft> post it to the forums i guess
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ask people what they thing
18:26 <wrtlprnft> *think
18:26 <wrtlprnft> is there any reason not to have a bubble without JS?
18:27 <n54> hmm are you saying typodermic doesn't contain the glypg/character ^ wrtlprnft?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> yes, exactly
18:27 <n54> yay!
18:27 <wrtlprnft> or, it contains it, but it contains just the word "typodermic"
18:27 <n54> I get you now ^^
18:28 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:28 * n54 feels absurdly proud :D
18:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:28 <n54> it's a marketing gimmic from the font creators :)
18:29 <wrtlprnft> exactly
18:29 <n54> :)
18:29 <wrtlprnft> but I am free to delete it or move it somewhere else
18:29 <n54> :)
18:29 <wrtlprnft> I'll just move it to some random control char
18:30 <wrtlprnft> now, by what do i replace it?
18:31 <wrtlprnft> do you want it round or edgy?
18:31 <n54> pointy bit should be round if you get what I mean
18:31 <n54> but the stroke ends should be pointy as is the case with the other glyphs
18:32 <n54> imo of course :)
18:32 <n54> or rather; squared off
18:32 <n54> stroke ends that is
18:32 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the button can be done php no problem
18:33 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: doesn't even have to be PHP
18:33 <n54> compare to an inverted v if neccessry
18:33 <wrtlprnft> the button could just contain all three links
18:33 * wrtlprnft will just take the bottom of a v and scale and turn it
18:34 <n54> :)
18:34 <n54> careful with scaling though as it should probably have the same thickness
18:34 <n54> same line*
18:34 <n54> better crop etc.
18:34 <wrtlprnft> just scale it down a bit, but still cut it off
18:35 <n54> are you using fontforge wrtlprnft?
18:35 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:35 <n54> ok just curious
18:35 <n54> :)
18:35 <wrtlprnft> the ` is way thinner than normal lines as well
18:35 <n54> oh then it's ok
18:37 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:38 <wrtlprnft> ends horizontal or diagonal?
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18:38 <n54> I would say horizontal but well you might have to try and see if it feels right, might even end up with angled ends
18:39 <n54> horisontal can seem wrong on that one especially if it has a wide angled "point"
18:39 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/typodermic1.png
18:39 <wrtlprnft> that's how it looks right now
18:39 <n54> yeah that looks good
18:40 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:40 <n54> :)
18:40 <wrtlprnft> then, on to ~...
18:40 <n54> tilde :)
18:40 * n54 wonders if that could be a girls name somewhere
18:41 <n54> tilde end ellipsis ( ~and ... )
18:41 <spidey> #ping
18:41 <armabot> pong
18:41 <n54> and*
18:41 <wrtlprnft> #g 776-724
18:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 776 - 724 = 52
18:41 * n54 should have written it as this of course; tiled ampersand ellipsis ( ~& ... )
18:41 <wrtlprnft> so the line must be 52 units wide :)
18:42 <n54> tilde*
18:42 <n54> ok :)
18:42 <n54> <-- hypertension *treis to calm down*
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18:45 <wrtlprnft> stupid thing...
18:45 <wrtlprnft> why must this font use cubic splines?
18:47 * wrtlprnft feels stupid
18:47 <wrtlprnft> all those chars with a tilde over them are just sitting there!
18:47 <n54> because it's easy?
18:47 * wrtlprnft goes for copy and paste :D
18:47 <n54> :)
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18:51 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/typodermic2.png
18:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:51 <wrtlprnft> that completes ASCII
18:52 <n54> hmm well I would actually consider change that tilde, although it might be hard
18:52 <n54> more like a "pushed-over" s if you get what I mean
18:52 <wrtlprnft> ~
18:53 <wrtlprnft> you mean with the ends being horizontal?
18:53 <n54> but there might be other pre-existing characters that also break what seems the norm for the font so....
18:53 <n54> yup
18:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm, later, once we actually get font resources :)
18:53 <n54> S <-- just like this but rotated 90 degrees ccw and flipped horisontally
18:53 <n54> ok :)
18:54 <wrtlprnft> but i think the ends shouldn't go inwards...
18:55 <n54> yes, sorry, I probably use arial or something here
18:55 <wrtlprnft> let's first write this guy a friendly mail and just ask if what i plan to do is ok with him and his license :)
18:55 <n54> should definetly not go invards :)
18:55 <n54> :)
18:55 <n54> and if not you've still got great fontforge practice :)
18:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, not that much
18:56 <wrtlprnft> just ~200 chars
18:57 <n54> :)
19:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=47
19:02 <n54> ??
19:02 <n54> ooh cool
19:02 <n54> smart reordering
19:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, twice?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> but i like it :)
19:13 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/60825
19:13 <wrtlprnft> someone wanna proofread that?
19:13 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know about other countries, but for the US anyway, font files are copywrite material, but fonts themselves are not
19:13 <wrtlprnft> well, we'd have it as a truetype font that gets used for rendering
19:13 <Lucifer_arma> so if you remake the file yourself as an "interpretation" of his font, you're fine. If you copy his font file without his permission, sorry.
19:14 <n54> hmm it's the same as for games? *doesn't know*
19:14 <wrtlprnft> I won't remake the whole thing
19:14 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know either
19:14 <wrtlprnft> but read the license, it *should* be free enought for use as an external resource
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> because if you play someone else's song, you owe a royalty. If you record it, you owe a royalty, but your recording gets your copywrite
19:15 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
19:16 <n54> I know games aren't copyrighteable under us law (only game artwork and possibly the code but not the _game_ itself)
19:16 <wrtlprnft> you mean the concept?
19:16 <n54> but I would have thought that font's go under the category art
19:16 <wrtlprnft> so, any feedback?
19:16 <n54> yup, even rules
19:16 <wrtlprnft> if not I'll send it
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19:16 <n54> send it and hear him/her/them out :)
19:17 <n54> fonts*
19:17 <wrtlprnft> http://www.typodermic.com/about.html
19:17 <wrtlprnft> it's a him
19:17 <n54> ok
19:18 <wrtlprnft> btw the name seems to come from NASA
19:19 <LuciEatsPeople> got a link for the license?
19:19 <n54> it's a pun on both nasa and nasal anda nasalization
19:19 <n54> and*
19:19 <n54> (french is an example of a language with lots of nasalization)
19:20 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/license.html
19:21 <n54> btw I've had a look at amazons honor system Lucifer, 2.9% might be a bit steep? *not sure*
19:21 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: LuciEatsPeople
19:22 <LuciEatsPeople> a) Do not alter in any way alphanumeric characters (A-Z, a-z, 1-9) contained in the font. <--- this makes it not gpl-compatible, imo
19:22 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: i know
19:22 <LuciEatsPeople> n54: I have a highlighter that looks for luci now :)
19:22 <wrtlprnft> but there's no need for it to be GPL if it just sits on Luke-Jr's repository, right?
19:23 <LuciEatsPeople> right. You can distribute non-gpl stuff alongside gpl stuff.
19:23 <wrtlprnft> but not in the same package
19:23 <LuciEatsPeople> nobody's going to kill us if we included it in the game, I don't think. The only technical point that I can think of is that it couldn't be used by default.
19:23 <LuciEatsPeople> yeah, maybe not in the same package, but our installer could call the other package's installer if its present
19:24 <wrtlprnft> the question is, does it conflict with the inclusion in software thing?
19:24 <n54> ah ok Luci :)
19:24 <LuciEatsPeople> but personally I'd rather not include it with the game anyway. I'd like people that get the game to feel free to modify and use any/all of it so long as they honor the GPL.
19:24 <LuciEatsPeople> otoh, if you build your own, it's yours. :)
19:24 <wrtlprnft> this isn't about direct inclusion
19:25 <n54> I actually do agree with Luci, but lets hear what the creator says, perhaps he digs gpl
19:25 <wrtlprnft> it's about putting it on the repository and making it an option
19:25 <LuciEatsPeople> well, stick it on Luke-Jr's resource repository, and we can stick it on CDs too, afaic.
19:25 <LuciEatsPeople> I dont' object to a CD that says "The core armagetronad package is GPL, but the other stuff may not be yadayada"
19:25 <n54> yup
19:25 <wrtlprnft> like, once we have a user interface to select things from the repository this font could be an options
19:26 <wrtlprnft> -s
19:26 <LuciEatsPeople> and if he says we can have it under the GPL, then fine, include it with the game. :)
19:26 <wrtlprnft> that UI would get the list from the server, so there is no reference in the actual package
19:26 <LuciEatsPeople> I don't think we could put it on sourceforge without his permission to use it under an open source license
19:26 <n54> absolutely not
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> right, we're fine for pretty much everything that matters--so long as you don't want to include it with the game.
19:27 <n54> would conflict on sf's part
19:27 * wrtlprnft is still not talking about GPL
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> His license is quite generous for a font-maker's. :)
19:27 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: that's exactly what i mean
19:27 <wrtlprnft> you can edit most of it, and you can copy it as you like
19:28 <wrtlprnft> that thing almost qualifies for GFDL IMHO
19:28 <n54> it's a very normal license for pr releases actually
19:28 <wrtlprnft> and GFDL should be sf- compatible
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> right, so we're fine for pretty much everything, and I don't think we have to worry terribly about fine points, just as long as we remember not to include it with the game or put it on sf's repository
19:28 <n54> almost but not quite ;)
19:28 <wrtlprnft> it's the application thing that's annoying about it
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> n54: the free font licenses I've seen have been very restrictive
19:29 <wrtlprnft> that breaks gfdl compatibility
19:29 <n54> yeah, that might get into ftgl trouble
19:29 <n54> + too
19:29 <wrtlprnft> n54: ftgl trouble?
19:29 <n54> well I would consider ftgl a program...
19:29 <wrtlprnft> it won't be included
19:29 <n54> so we'aere into hairsplitting territory there
19:30 <LuciEatsPeople> ? ftgl is reading it. Just like you can listen to proprietary closed source music in your media player
19:30 <wrtlprnft> not all of it, thanks to DRM bs
19:30 <n54> yup but isn't it also creating?
19:30 <LuciEatsPeople> DRM is incompatible with copywrite, but really, I need to get back to dinner
19:30 <wrtlprnft> n54: it's converting
19:30 <wrtlprnft> the license allows that
19:30 <n54> ok
19:31 <n54> hehe enjoy dinner Luci :)
19:31 <wrtlprnft> hf LuciEatsPeople
19:31 * wrtlprnft didn't buy any music in years
19:32 <n54> I "bought" a free cd download on-drm'ed ogg album, oh and later on I bought a used cd of FFF (evil sony)
19:32 * n54 hasn't actually played that cd yet
19:32 <n54> non-drm'ed*
19:33 <n54> that's about all for a few years iirc ^^
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19:34 <wrtlprnft> supper
19:34 -!- You're now known as WrtlEatsLuci
19:35 <n54> how homoerotic of you ^^ j/k
19:53 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
19:54 <wrtlprnft> hmm, he tasted nice! *burp*
19:55 <n54> lol
19:55 <n54> another scary german cannibal ^^
19:56 <n54> ok that was a tasteless joke (no pun intended!)
19:56 * n54 apologizes
19:57 <joda_bot> I guess, they really will call it scary if he was able to eat lucifer in texas from canada
19:57 <n54> good point
19:57 <n54> could make a great comic book storyline
19:57 <n54> or horror movie
19:58 <n54> a tele-ghoul :S
19:58 <wrtlprnft> http://electricpotential.net/graphicblog/
19:58 <wrtlprnft> nice new pictures :)
19:58 <n54> :)
19:58 <joda_bot> n54: I bet the MCP fetched lucifer onto the grid and wrtlprnft consumed him there ;)
19:58 <n54> :)
20:00 <wrtlprnft> although some of them are questionabke
20:00 <wrtlprnft> *questionable
20:00 <n54> yup, but it _is_ a blog ^^
20:01 <wrtlprnft> http://electricpotential.net/graphicblog/images/ibolympics.png
20:01 <wrtlprnft> i like that one :)
20:01 <n54> :)
20:02 * wrtlprnft is on the grid, if anyone needs him
20:04 <joda_bot> gn8
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20:58 <spidey> wow
20:58 <spidey> thought it was 9am :/
20:59 <spidey> i really need to get my sleep patterns normal,heh
20:59 <n54> :)
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21:13 <spidey> that was fun
21:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:14 <spidey> dunno lol
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21:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: LuciEatsPeople: there is no "Luke-Jr's repository"-- it's just "the [official] resource repository"
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21:35 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I know what it is, I don't need to be corrected.
21:35 <spidey> luuci
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> spiiiideeeeeeeey
21:37 <spidey> come to cvs :p
21:39 <spidey> i got 18 points ...team goold has 28
21:39 <spidey> and i'm on gold :/
21:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yes, but you host it
21:40 <wrtlprnft> and i have never heard anyone but you calling it official ;)
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> I wen t there, spidey
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:51 * Lucifer_arma always chuckles when he uses a newly-built arma in a build directory because it uses his username on his laptop, which isn't Lucifer
21:51 <n54> btw I looked over the gforge main page, not sure what to make of it really
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's Sourceforge CVS right before 3.0 forked and under development for awhile after that
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> the company sells consulting services. My main client hired them to setup a gForge installation for them awhile back.
21:52 <n54> ok, obsd is actually working on a cvs fork a well but I'm not familiar with it, some fundamental changes though afaik
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> <-- got to hack on it, it was fun :)
21:52 <n54> ok :)
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the guy that founded gForge is the same guy that wrote most of the sourceforge software, and when VALinux decided to close up the source, he quit and forked and founded his company
21:53 <n54> smart guy
21:53 <n54> I have lots of happy feelings for sf as of old but always been slightly sceptical to VALinux
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. :) GNU also forked it into their Savane project which powers Savannah. I think there's at least one more fork floating around.
21:54 <n54> ok so we're up to three big ones so far gforge, savannah, opencvs :)
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Savane and gForge worked independently of one another and unknowningly.
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Hmm, wait, I thought you said obsd had a fork of cvs? CVS the program?
21:55 <n54> yup OpenCVS iirc
21:55 * n54 looks it up
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21:56 <n54> http://www.opencvs.org/
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I'm talking about the Sourceforge software. CVS in that sentence meant "The code that was in cvs right before the 3.0 release of Sourceforge"
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> the service sourceforge.net is also available as a product, if you have enough money, that you can use for your own projects
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's what gForge is a fork of.
21:57 <n54> oh yeah sorry, I did get you but sort of didn't think straight
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> That's why gForge kinda looks like sourceforge. :)
21:57 <n54> :)
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> code's not compatible with sourceforge's anymore, I'm sure. And gForge and Savane worked without knowledge of each other until it was too late to combine efforts.
21:58 <n54> yup I did make the connection to the pay-for sf
21:58 <n54> yeah probably
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> Apparently they talked about combining efforts anyway and trashing one of the projects, but then figured they may as well just continue and compete
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> recent versions of gForge and gForge's commercial interest might have something to do with pushing sourceforge development. I sure hope so. :)
21:59 <n54> if I were to set up cvs I would probably choose OpenCVS anyway
21:59 <n54> well it seems to me sf has sucked lately, even though I have very little to do with sf these days
22:00 <n54> or are you talking purely pay-for?
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> development of the software. Surely you've noticed sourceforge has had several updates recently? Reporting, project layout....
22:01 <spidey> hmm
22:01 <n54> yeah but the way they do it...
22:01 <n54> reporting started a few years ago btw iirc
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22:02 <SD|away> good night ;)
22:02 <n54> cya :)
22:02 <n54> same with donations
22:05 <spidey> dude
22:05 <spidey> what exactly is prediction
22:06 <n54> more exactly than hinting at the area where a bike might actually be?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> basically drawing cycles on the tip of the lagometer instead of the centre
22:06 <spidey> everyone that uses it complains about lag and says it's harder to play,i set it to 1 and i got alot better
22:07 <spidey> i can atleast keep up with low pingers in a open grid fight
22:07 <n54> well there's no reason it should be the same for everyone, if it works for you it works for you :)
22:07 <wrtlprnft> prdiction on or off shouldn't matter that much, technically, as long as you understand and use the lagometer
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> there were changes in reporting, n54
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: problem. :)
22:08 <wrtlprnft> there might be a psychological side that you can interpret the predicted cycle better than the lagometer
22:08 <spidey> swell,when i have it on,say zop he has a low ping,where i see him on my screen,he is there so if i try to kill him i don't hit his wall behind him
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> camera="^in" viewport="top" <--- viewport overrides the camera setting here
22:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
22:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, that's intended
22:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: if it's off you can always use the tip of the lagometer
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> in multi-player, it makes sense to do that.
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.......
22:09 <spidey> don't matter
22:09 <spidey> he's not where he seems when it's off,i have to guess :p
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's not the problem, or I'm smoking something I shouldn't be. The problem is that now I've got two maps on incam mode when I only want one.
22:09 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that's true
22:09 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you know what the lagometer (those small arrows) is for?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> you have to play about half a second in the future, that's why I say "use the force" :)
22:10 <spidey> just the bigger they are the more lag i have
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> what you see only tells you what was going on half a second ago, it says nothing about *now*
22:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the cycle can be anywhere within the arrow
22:10 <wrtlprnft> that's way more info than the prediction thing alone can give you
22:10 <spidey> yea
22:10 <spidey> i knew that
22:10 <wrtlprnft> if you have prediction on and lagometer off you lose
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> problem I have with prediction is that the cycles move too much when they turn
22:11 <spidey> yes
22:11 <spidey> it took me a minute to figure out
22:11 <n54> the more I think about it the more I think lag is what makes the game so exiting and fun
22:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you don't want that put the map in the player viewport...
22:11 <n54> steady lag that is of course
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> this is for the stock cockpit I'm doing this
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> my layout for incam (with captions and a rubber gauge), the regular stuff for other cam modes
22:12 <wrtlprnft> what do you do in multiplayer mode with one player in incam and one in smartcam?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I can put it the other map in the player viewport, but that's going to result in 4 maps with 4 players.
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> The player in incam should see the map in his incam, it's part of the setup. The player in smartcam should have his own map.
22:13 <spidey> well,i tried prediction on mbc(i have a 60-80 ping) and i suck with it on and win with it off,i use it on cvs ( 179-200+) i got better,all i need to know to use it :p
22:13 <wrtlprnft> :P
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I got wasted every round when I had prediction on
22:13 <spidey> i did to
22:13 <spidey> when i first used it
22:13 <spidey> now when i turn it off i die
22:13 <wrtlprnft> just again, people who don't use the lagometer don't use their full potential
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> lemme give you a screenshot, wrtlprnft, so it'll make more sense
22:14 * Lucifer_arma doesn't use the lagometer
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, that's not accurate
22:14 * n54 never got used to it either
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I don't *trust* the lagometer with what it's trying to tell me, but I use it to some extent
22:14 <wrtlprnft> you can't exactly trust the borders
22:14 <spidey> although i did lose a advantage when i started using it
22:14 <wrtlprnft> but it gives you about the area
22:15 <spidey> with it off i could cut through about ----- of the persons end of tail on the screen
22:15 <wrtlprnft> and there's still human reaction time, rubber and realworld lag
22:15 <spidey> with it on it kills me if i try
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/screenshot_8.png
22:15 <spidey> i only lag when it rains,uploading,or router goes gay
22:15 <wrtlprnft> it = prediction or it = lagometer?
22:16 <spidey> downloading never really affacts me
22:16 <spidey> it = prediction
22:16 <spidey> god lucifer
22:16 <spidey> how do you pay like that?
22:17 <spidey> play*
22:17 <spidey> lol
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: so the idea is that by placing the map where I put it, you can see it in incam and actually use it
22:17 * Lucifer_arma sees that he needs to remove one of the clocks :)
22:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you want to get something sensible out of it put the map into the player viewport...
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it's never gonna make sense in multiplayer anyways
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok
22:18 <wrtlprnft> btw GLTron has multiple maps too
22:18 <wrtlprnft> it makes sense, too
22:19 <wrtlprnft> if you're in the top viewport there's no view you'll be able to look into the bottom right corner
22:19 <wrtlprnft> s/view/way
22:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: if you wonder how Lucifer_arma can play like that you
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need the map to change so that it always centers my cycle's mark, zooms in so that it shows a larger area around my actual cycle,
22:20 <wrtlprnft> 've never seen my cockpit :P
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> and keep the thing pointed up. :) So my cycle dot should be in the middle pointing up.
22:20 <wrtlprnft> that should ideally be settings- based
22:21 <wrtlprnft> we already have cockpit keys, you could use those for zooming
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I use smartcam, but that's my cockpit there. I want to make it the default incam for 0.3. It's both part of showing off the cockpit and also an attempt to make incam more playable
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to stay zoomed in to a set rate. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have zoom control on the map, though.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, maybe make the zoom rate a tValue param?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> so you could set it to a facor of current_speed or max_speed
22:22 <wrtlprnft> or fastest_speed
22:23 <wrtlprnft> + keys to choose a factor
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm thinking HUD like a hud in a fighter jet
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and the map is supposed to be something resembling radar, then, which doesn't strike me as something you'd have zooming
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't object to having another map placed somewhere as a tactical display, but the two really need to look a lot more different
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I think I've got it :)
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> two maps, one that's exactly what you have there, and one that's the zoomed in view
22:28 <n54> so the armahud support "split" hud i.e. cockpit "background" and a hud that follows head movemnt?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> and a toggle to switch maps
22:28 <n54> supports* (getting early here)
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> hud won't follow head movement without VR goggles :)
22:29 <n54> I was thinking glance keys ;)
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm, wrtlprnft ? This sounds promising :)
22:29 * n54 tried to mention it before here but well it probably wasn't the right time then :)
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> was it before wrtlprnft rewrote the hud?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: give the map some config options and you're set :)
22:30 <n54> might have been just before or during
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> :) I take it the zooming and orientation have yet to be coded? When I last suggested it (fairly recently) you said as much...
22:30 <wrtlprnft> The HUD map/radar should turn with the camera, if anything
22:31 <wrtlprnft> sure they have to
22:31 <n54> yup, the deal would be to make the cockpit not do the same with cockpit view
22:32 <wrtlprnft> A start would be to make the map always be turned so the direction in which you started is upwards
22:32 <wrtlprnft> it's confusing for def that sometimes your zone is at the top and sometimes at the bottom
22:33 <spidey> mmmm waffles and suasage at 10:30pm tastes so much better
22:33 <spidey> :>
22:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: turning shouldn't be hard at all, zooming is more complicated
22:33 <n54> that's an eccentric combo isn't it? waffles and sausage?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> since for zooming you
22:33 <wrtlprnft> 'll probably have to cut the map off
22:34 * wrtlprnft should stop confusing his shift key with his return key
22:34 * n54 wonders if spidey wraps the waffle around the sausage
22:34 <spidey> [
22:34 <n54> *just curious, not judgemental'
22:38 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:38 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:38 <n54> cya :)
22:39 <spidey> anyway
22:39 <spidey> no n54 i don't :p
22:39 <spidey> we get these maple covered sausages
22:39 <n54> maple syrup+
22:39 <n54> ?
22:39 <spidey> yea
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> sausage and waffles are a good combination
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> damn europeans
22:46 * Lucifer_arma mutters something about European breakfasts
22:46 <n54> american waffles must be something different than waffles around here
22:46 <spidey> ?
22:47 <spidey> waffles and pancakes
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> <spidey> mmmm waffles and suasage at 10:30pm tastes so much better
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, waffles. You take basically pancake batter and stick it in a waffle iron, right?
22:50 <spidey> yea...
22:50 <spidey> yes
22:50 <spidey> basically 2 sided frying pan :p
22:50 <n54> ok that explains it to me as long as you're talking about american style pancakes :)
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> we have generic waffle irons, and then there are belgian waffle irons available. The generic standard american waffles are square,
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> belgian waffle makers are round. I have no idea if belgian waffle makers sold here actually resemble what belgians really eat.
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, american style pancakes. milk, flour, butter, basically.
22:51 <n54> not sure about that, here in norway they're round and soft (four heart-shaped segments with typical waffle squares inside)
22:52 <n54> american style pancakes are very thick and heavy compared to most european ones
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> people like 'em in varying degrees of hardness. :) I like some crusty with a soft inside, myself
22:52 <n54> but sure yummy ;)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> Roger that!
22:53 <n54> but european ones are too :) ( and in hungary they serve them with chocolate or icecream, truly yummy lol) :D
22:53 <spidey> icecream on waffles?
22:53 <n54> no, on thin european pancakes
22:53 <spidey> my grandma said they used to do that in the old days here
22:53 <n54> not heavy at all
22:54 <n54> ok
22:54 <n54> actually on norwegian style waffles icecream could do well although strawberry jam or goat cheese or ordinary hard yellow cheese is most usual
22:55 <n54> or sliced sausage or anything you like really:)
22:55 <spidey> :)
22:55 <n54> :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> you guys do maple syrup much? I've always been under the impression that's a uniquely american thing, or at least originated that way.
22:57 <spidey> i love maple syrup on suasage xD
22:57 <spidey> and biscuits
22:57 <n54> yeah it's pretty much unique to northern america afaik, I'e eaten it at a denny's (or danny's? forgot which is the right name for the chain) in singapore
22:57 <n54> :)
22:58 <spidey> should try IHOP
22:58 <spidey> :p
22:58 <spidey> 1 plate
22:58 <spidey> isn't small,trust me
22:58 <n54> no idea what ihop is :)
22:58 <spidey> innernational house of pancakes :p
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's where pretentious people eat breakfast ;)
22:59 <n54> heh :)
22:59 <spidey> i ate there once
22:59 <n54> but is it dennys or dannys?
22:59 <spidey> i was on the truck with my uncle,they server huge plates :/
22:59 <spidey> dennys
22:59 <spidey> i think
22:59 <spidey> luci?
22:59 <n54> thanks :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the sucky place
23:00 <spidey> lmao
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> actually, when we lived in Seattle there was a Denny's nearby that was actually good. I was shocked.
23:00 <n54> wasn
23:00 <n54> wasn't anything wrong with the one in singapore
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> now I wonder if they were just good in comparison to what was otherwise available. :(
23:00 <spidey> i dunno i haven't been out to eat eccept once,my uncle and cousins went to a chinese restuarant
23:00 <spidey> i ate mcdonalds in there....
23:00 <spidey> :/
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that I'd eat chinese food in Tennessee, heh
23:01 <spidey> i didn't
23:01 <spidey> i ate mcdonalds at the place though :p
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I try not to eat it in Texas, but my in-laws love PF Chang's for some reason. Chinese food for white people is all that is. Sucks.
23:01 <spidey> when i was in texas
23:01 <spidey> there was this place that has fucking huge hamburgers
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> Dan's? :)
23:02 <spidey> starts with a W i think
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> Whataburger?
23:02 <spidey> blue building?
23:02 <spidey> yes that's it
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, Whataburger has orange stripes
23:02 <spidey> oh
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> man, Whataburger is The Suck.
23:02 <spidey> i loved it
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm, I'm biased. I hate hamburgers.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> and they don't pay for shit, even for a burger place.
23:02 <spidey> i got 1 double hamburger
23:03 <spidey> i ate it for lunch
23:03 <spidey> and supper :/
23:03 <n54> hmm have you got kebabs over there on the other side of the pond?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> k-bob's? Steakhouse?
23:03 <spidey> no
23:03 <n54> lol no, ok :)
23:03 <spidey> it's a stick covered in meat
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> shishkebabs? (sp?)
23:04 <spidey> yes but we call 'em shishkeobs or soemthing
23:04 <n54> it's a form of shishkebabs yes
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> skewers more often than not :)
23:04 <spidey> yea uci got it :p
23:04 * spidey hates this keyboard
23:04 <n54> europeanized you could say
23:04 <n54> kebab that is
23:05 <spidey> i know they're in england
23:05 <n54> like american deep pan is very different from italian pizza
23:05 <spidey> there's this fish fast food place
23:05 <spidey> long john silvers
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> good shrimp :)
23:05 <spidey> man that shits soo greasy i got sick :/
23:05 * Lucifer_arma managed to work at Long John Silver's once
23:06 * spidey loves shrimp
23:06 <spidey> there's this place up here ryans
23:06 <spidey> it's a good restuarant
23:06 <spidey> they got killer shrimp =p~
23:06 <n54> hehe you're meant to wipe off the grease and lett the paper suck it up :)
23:07 <spidey> mmm
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> we've got Ryan's, they're a chain. I dont' think I've eaten there, though.
23:07 <n54> with fish'n'chips :)
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> ? no, you eat the grease too
23:07 <spidey> luci > expensive, but good
23:07 <spidey> like $14 a person here
23:08 <spidey> all you can eat though....
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't eat at chain restaurants if I can help it, sorry.
23:08 <spidey> lol
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few, but not many. Rudy's BBQ is one. :) But they're a Texas chain, afaik not outside Texas yet
23:08 <spidey> afiak?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I like little mom and pop restaurants. Food's more genuine, service is more personal, and prices are usually better.
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> afaik = as far as I know
23:09 <spidey> ah
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> I wanna eat at a place so genuine where if the family recipe calls for 12 ounces of budweiser piss out of a mexican dick, I'll get 12 ounces of budweiser piss out of a mexican dick
23:10 <n54> 0611 I've got to try to sleep or I'll be up all day :S cya :) (and yuck! lol)
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23:12 <spidey> meh,brb i'm late on a payment :/
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> let me know how it comes out
23:13 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:15 <spidey> paypal won't clear the withdrawl till the 5th
23:15 <spidey> i took it out 2 days ago
23:15 <spidey> and the payment's due today :(
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you were serious about being late on a payment
23:16 <spidey> 'er i think
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I thought you said you were taking a shit :)
23:16 <spidey> yea :p
23:16 <spidey> no,lol
23:16 <spidey> i pay for
23:16 <spidey> a game server on a 1gig connection and 32 slots
23:16 <spidey> $56 a month for cablr
23:17 <spidey> cable* and 2 $10 hosting pacakges
23:25 <spidey> hahaha
23:26 <spidey> they got life fucked up
23:26 <spidey> they charged me to switch from dallas to destriot servers cause there servers keep going offline for days at a time
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02:04 <guru3> god make the bot shutup about notes :/
02:04 <guru3> i catch it when you say my name while away
02:04 <guru3> no need to note me to death
02:05 <z-man-home> #later tell guru3 don't be silly :)
02:05 <armabot> z-man-home: The operation succeeded.
02:05 <guru3> noooo!
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02:38 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 what's wrong with notes? You could miss something, or maybe you're not here for awhile...
02:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:39 <guru3> the odds i'm not here when someone notes me
02:39 <guru3> is tiny
02:39 <guru3> i'm never gone for more than like 5 minutes
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> oddly enough, you're not usually here when I am :)
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.rootrainers.co.uk/supplies/rooterpot <-- that's crazy!
02:45 <guru3> i'm online
02:45 <guru3> my client catches any messages
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06:23 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: sure, and I maintain it-- but that could change, just like the wiki has passed hands
06:40 <n54> #notes
06:40 <armabot> n54: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luke-Jr, madmax*, p*, phil, and phil*.
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07:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: If I use svn , i just prepend my user name to the svn url ?
07:36 <joda_bot> like https://user@svn...
07:39 <wrtlprnft> no, just leave it be i think
07:39 <wrtlprnft> it'll ask for a login once you committ
07:39 <joda_bot> ah ok
07:41 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Still have to find a nice way of transfering the cvs workspace (with uncommited files) to svn ;)
07:41 <wrtlprnft> copy over the changed files?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> a pain, i know
07:42 <joda_bot> I'm still researching Eclipe for a way to do it
07:43 <joda_bot> Currently I found "Share Project" but then Eclipse wants to commit all stuff to the svn repos
07:43 <joda_bot> that's not what I want ;)
07:45 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: does SVN create SVN subdirectories like CVS ?
07:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, cd cvsworkspace; tar -cvf - `cvs update | grep '^M' | awk '{print $2}'` | (cd svnworkspace; tar -xvf -)
07:45 <wrtlprnft> yes it does
07:45 <joda_bot> ah does not matter ... I'll just do the double check out ;)
07:46 <joda_bot> but that requires working CVS access ?
07:46 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: CVS is still up readonly
07:46 <wrtlprnft> and i think it'll stay up
07:46 <joda_bot> ah ok
07:46 <wrtlprnft> g2g, bb in 30 minutes hopefully
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08:16 <wrtlprnft> back :)
08:16 <wrtlprnft> exactly 30 minutes
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08:20 * Self_Destructo is shook upreally bad
08:21 * Self_Destructo lost his job
08:21 <spidey> wb
08:21 <spidey> :/
08:22 <wrtlprnft> why?
08:23 * wrtlprnft understands if you don't want to tell us
08:23 <Self_Destructo> he's not patient enough with me is why
08:23 <wrtlprnft> :(
08:24 <Self_Destructo> i guess my idea of work is to be doing something, not to stand there and watch someone else do it
08:24 <spidey> kick his ass?
08:24 <Self_Destructo> so i really couldn't adapt i guess
08:24 <Self_Destructo> spidey: more like grab a shotgun and shoot hom
08:24 <Self_Destructo> him*
08:24 <spidey> good enough :)
08:24 <Self_Destructo> lol
08:25 <wrtlprnft> if he doesn't want you to work, why do you try to?
08:25 <wrtlprnft> just stand there and watch someone lese do it
08:25 <Self_Destructo> well, it's not that I try, I'm just very bored standing there watching someone
08:26 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: all i have known is to work
08:26 <spidey> get a job at cox or comcast,they pay alot here so i'm sure it's more there,plus free internet :)
08:26 <Self_Destructo> so it was hard, but i was trying
08:26 <Self_Destructo> i guess it wasn't good enough, but oh well, doesn't matter now
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09:07 <joda_bot> Self_Destructo: What kind of job was it ?
09:07 <joda_bot> If it's ok for me to ask
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09:53 <spidey> gimp is just about as good as paintshop pro
10:57 <Self_Destructo> joda_bot: pump work - water well systems
10:58 <joda_bot> spidey: better ;)
10:58 <joda_bot> spidey: It's close to photoshop is most regards
10:58 <joda_bot> at least the older versions of photoshop
10:59 <joda_bot> Self_Destructo: hm, can't imagine why quick work is wrong if you knew what you've been doing
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11:11 <H> hi
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11:12 <HAK> hi
11:12 <HAK> hi
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11:15 <wrtlprnft> gimp rocks :) The only thing it misses is effect layers
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11:39 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: just curious, what is that satanist branch/whatever of yours for?
11:51 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Why are there two options imposter and impostors ?
11:51 <joda_bot> just because you can spell it both ways ?
11:53 <wrtlprnft> yes, i guess so
11:54 <wrtlprnft> they both link to the same variable
11:54 <wrtlprnft> so if you change one, the other one gets changed, too
11:54 <wrtlprnft> hard-linked :)
11:56 * wrtlprnft thinks the help strings should point that out
12:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: hehe ;)
12:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I'm still merging my old team code to current b0_2_8
12:00 <joda_bot> and then to head
12:01 <joda_bot> and then to svn head :|
12:19 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: any chance to proof read all language files ?
12:19 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: and fixing a mistake in a b0_2_8 branch probably requires fixing it in a lot of other branches
12:20 <joda_bot> deutsch.txt:
12:20 <joda_bot> cycle_invulnerable_time_help
12:20 <joda_bot> cycle_wall_time_help
12:20 <joda_bot> replace Weidererscheinen by Wiedererscheinen
12:23 <joda_bot> I saw another typo but can't recall where (english / deutsch.txt)
12:34 <joda_bot> ok, swtich to head was painless ... no major merges
12:34 <joda_bot> AFAIK
13:04 <joda_bot> damn after copying all files over ... sublipse (svn for Eclipse) is not able to clean all timestamps of the files
13:05 <joda_bot> thus all files are marked modified
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13:19 <wrtl_web_broken> joda_bot: I'm in shool right now, I'll fix it when i get home
13:20 <wrtl_web_broken> joda_bot: That's why i gave you that untested command
13:20 <wrtl_web_broken> only copy over what you changed
13:23 <joda_bot> I noticed ;)
13:24 <joda_bot> wrtl_web_broken: too late ;)
13:24 <joda_bot> ah, well I can reimport the CVS project into eclipse and just check it
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14:22 <philippeqc> hi
14:27 <n54> hi :)
14:28 <philippeqc> how are you
14:31 <n54> exhausted but doing ok, how about you? :)
14:31 <philippeqc> exhausted too.
14:32 <philippeqc> happy its a 4 days week-end
14:32 <n54> :)
14:35 <philippeqc> on thusday its the national day (of Sweden)
14:35 <philippeqc> I'm invited to the town house
14:35 <n54> ooh
14:35 <philippeqc> I got my Swedish citizenship last year, and now it is the celebration of all the new Swedes ;)
14:36 <philippeqc> It would be really cool if the King was there, but I'm sure he is boocked tight that day ;)
14:38 <n54> :)
14:39 <joda_bot> philippeqc: Where are you from ?
14:39 <joda_bot> philippeqc: If you got swedish citizenship ?
14:39 <philippeqc> Montreal Quebec Canada
14:39 <joda_bot> ah
14:39 <joda_bot> interesting, what made you leave canada ?
14:40 <philippeqc> I was tired of it, tired of my life there. So I hitchhicked my way in France for over 2 months before I meet a nice Swedish girl.
14:43 <joda_bot> Cool, so you're live is better now ?
14:44 <joda_bot> Bet you didn't except this future for yourself... :-)
14:45 <philippeqc> Lol, well yes. I do think so. For me, the mentality of Canada was like 10-15 years in advance over the American one (in certain topics). And moving to Swede was like moving another 10-15 years more in the future.
14:45 <philippeqc> Nope, really not Sweden. I was hoping to meet a french girl actually.
14:45 <n54> :)
14:48 <joda_bot> :-)
14:48 <joda_bot> philippeqc: already updated to svn ?
14:48 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I'm currently trying to find out where my svn config file is ;)
14:48 <philippeqc> hummm, nope
14:48 <philippeqc> :(
14:49 <joda_bot> because I want to see to which files svn applies the EOL conversion (configured in the config)
14:49 <joda_bot> http://magic.aladdin.cs.cmu.edu/2006/03/01/end-of-line-conversion-in-subversion/
14:52 <philippeqc> maybe not tonight. I just wanted some fun coding, but I should really be in bed.
14:53 <joda_bot> hehe, yeah I will go to bed too after I finished my conversion to svn
14:54 <joda_bot> perhaps I'll try to compile my team workspace ;)
14:54 <philippeqc> team workspace?
14:54 <joda_bot> I really should commit the customizable teamname and some other minor fixes to HEAD
14:55 <joda_bot> Yeah I got two separate armagetronad checkouts
14:55 <joda_bot> one for anisotropic filtering and one for my team code ported to CVS HEAD now
14:57 <philippeqc> o ok. I'm also still working from a old cvs checkout. but I figured that it didnt matter. I guess the check-in I'll have to do next will be "keep the header of winzone.cpp, then replace all the code with this new chunk" or something VERY similar
14:59 <joda_bot> philippeqc: the problem is that you have to copy your files from the current cvs workspace over the svn checkout
14:59 <joda_bot> thus all files are marked as modified
15:00 <joda_bot> so you should only copy modified files over and then hand merge the changes
15:00 <joda_bot> I really like eclipse for this
15:00 <philippeqc> I'm telling you, my changes are extremely localised.
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15:00 <joda_bot> because it has a nice side-by-side mode
15:00 <joda_bot> philippeqc: Oh, I missed that ;)
15:02 <philippeqc> ~half of tValue.{cpp|h} will be updated, ~100% of winzone.{cpp|h}, and the parser's processing of zones.
15:07 <spidey> fucking a!!!!!111
15:08 <philippeqc> ?
15:09 <philippeqc> why are you fornicating with the first letter of the alphabet?
15:10 <spidey> i just woke up with a killer cramp in my leg
15:10 <spidey> i did go through the wakeup/tired/awake phase,i jumped straight to awake
15:10 <philippeqc> ouch
15:10 <spidey> didn't*
15:15 <spidey> 1
15:17 <joda_bot> 2
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15:41 <philippeqc> lucifer: just found out about an e-book from Sony. The japanees model is called librie (check http://www.sven.de/librie/Librie/FAQ for links to 4 retaillers with some pics). The euro-american will be called Portable Reader Systemspacer PRS-500 and be offered at ~300 USD.
15:41 <philippeqc> #tell lucifer hi
15:41 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I haven't seen lucifer, I'll let you do the telling.
15:42 <philippeqc> #tell Lucifer_arma hi
15:42 <philippeqc> #tell Lucifer_arma Just found out about an e-book from Sony. The japanees model is called librie (check http://www.sven.de/librie/Librie/FAQ for links to 4 retaillers with some pics). The euro-american will be called Portable Reader Systemspacer PRS-500 and be offered at ~300 USD.
15:43 <philippeqc> Good night
15:43 <joda_bot> good night
15:43 <joda_bot> ;)
15:43 <joda_bot> recover from work ;)
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15:53 <Self_Destructo> wrtl_web_broken: you there?
15:54 <joda_bot> guess not
15:54 <Self_Destructo> well
15:54 <joda_bot> but by Murphy's law he will appear and contradict me ;)
15:54 <Self_Destructo> i need someone to take over my Rotator project
15:55 <Self_Destructo> because I'm leaving for an indefinate amount of time
15:55 <Self_Destructo> tommorrow will be my last day online
15:55 <joda_bot> Oh, because you lost your job ?
15:56 <joda_bot> Can you post or send wrtl all the data ?
15:57 <Self_Destructo> i'
15:58 <Self_Destructo> i'll do that later tonight i guess
15:58 <Self_Destructo> not really because i lost my job, just some other stuff i got to take care of
15:58 <joda_bot> Any chance to get back at times ?
15:58 <Self_Destructo> ?
15:58 <Self_Destructo> yes
15:58 <Self_Destructo> there is
15:58 <joda_bot> It's always sad to see someone who really helpsout go ;)
15:59 <Self_Destructo> i hate to go, I've got alot of really good freids i'm leaving
15:59 <Self_Destructo> including you
16:00 <Self_Destructo> g2g atm, cya
16:00 <joda_bot> well, Armagetron tends to eat up too much of my time too ... so I can understand if you need more time for yourself ;)
16:08 <wrtlprnft> cya Self_Destructo :(
16:09 <wrtlprnft> which adds something else on my todo stack
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16:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: just recruit another person ;)
16:10 <wrtlprnft> who? gnorty?
16:10 <joda_bot> hm , perhaps
16:10 <joda_bot> ed seems to know alot abot that too (atleast from the user end...)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> ed is great at graphics and stuff, but i dunno if he knows c++
16:12 <joda_bot> ah ok, I guess not
16:12 <joda_bot> i did not know Self_Destructo was implementing it ... just working on the concepts
16:14 <wrtlprnft> I kinda made the base for him and he was learning c++ anyways, so it might have been a good project
16:14 <wrtlprnft> just as the cockpit was my first bigger thing in arma ;)
16:15 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: btw. I read something about a remaining zone counter
16:16 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: if you implement something along those lines, can you check the performance costs for determining if a zone will collapse soon ?
16:16 <joda_bot> like zone is 50% captured => 0.5 zone ;)
16:16 <joda_bot> perhaps
16:16 <joda_bot> not sure
16:18 <joda_bot> or 5 of 10 zones undefended (no friendly player closer than enemy) ... but I really should have a look at that myself (probably)
16:18 <wrtlprnft> all those things would happen on the server...
16:18 <joda_bot> why ?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> because the client knows nothing
16:18 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: but it will show the zone spinning ?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even know which zone belongs to which team
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it knows the position, color, spin speed and size
16:19 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: hm, will this be fixed once phillipe's new zone and spawn point system is working right ?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> every way of getting the information you want out of those values would be a hack
16:19 <wrtlprnft> no clue, ask phillipe
16:19 <joda_bot> ok good to know
16:20 <wrtlprnft> sure you could compare the color of every zone to every team color
16:20 <joda_bot> lol
16:20 <joda_bot> won't work
16:20 <wrtlprnft> sure you could invert the function used on the server to calculate the spin speed of zones
16:20 <wrtlprnft> but any change on the server would totally throw that off
16:20 <wrtlprnft> it would work
16:21 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Do you think it's usefull to have an extra death message for team kills with negative scores ?
16:21 <joda_bot> e.g. team kill is awarded ?
16:21 <joda_bot> I got the stuff here in my workspace
16:22 <joda_bot> just not sure if it would be more confusing for players
16:22 <wrtlprnft> idn
16:22 <wrtlprnft> isn't that already the case?
16:22 <joda_bot> also have the customizable teamname's and different teamname selection scheme ready
16:23 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: no currently there is one message for a team kill
16:23 <joda_bot> and one for a free kill I guess
16:23 <wrtlprnft> uh, second
16:23 <joda_bot> my version adds...
16:23 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: sounds good :)
16:24 <joda_bot> score_die_help Amount of points you get for being killed
16:24 <joda_bot> score_kill_help Amount of points you get for killing someone
16:24 <joda_bot> *score_die_teammate_help Amount of points you get for being killed by a teammate
16:24 <joda_bot> *score_kill_teammate_help Amount of points you get for killing a teammate
16:24 <joda_bot> score_suicide_help Amount of points you get for stupidly dying
16:24 <joda_bot> score_win_help Amount of points your team gets for winning a round
16:24 <joda_bot> score_deathzone_help Amount of points you get for hitting the Death Zone
16:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:24 <wrtlprnft> and there is a message when score_die_teammate_help is != 0
16:25 * wrtlprnft should get a better screenshot upload script
16:25 <wrtlprnft> currently it re- generates all thumbnails every time i upload
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and then rsyncs
16:26 <joda_bot> player_lose_suicide \1 committed suicide and lost \2 points.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_free_suicide \1 committed suicide.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_win_frag \1 core dumped \3 for \2 points.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_free_frag \1 core dumped \2.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_teamkill \1 core dumped teammate \2! Boo! No points for that!\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_win_frag_ai \1 got \2 points for core dumping an AI player.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_lose_frag \1 lost \2 points since it caused a general protection fault.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_lose_rim \1 lost \2 points for trying to escape from the game grid.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_win_teamfrag \1 core dumped it's own TEAM MATE \3 for \2 points.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_punish_teamfrag \1 lost \2 points as punishment for killing it's TEAM MATE \3 !\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_win_teamfrag_ai \1 got \2 points for core dumping a TEAM MATE AI player.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_punish_teamfrag_ai \1 lost \2 points for core dumping a TEAM MATE AI player.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_lose_teamfrag \1 lost \2 points since it was killed by it's own TEAM MATE.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> player_luckyloser_teamfrag \1 gained \2 points since it was killed by it's own TEAM MATE.\n
16:26 <joda_bot> full table
16:26 <joda_bot> of my messages
16:26 <joda_bot> only thing missing would be negative suicide score messsage
16:27 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=372
16:27 <wrtlprnft> that's how it currently looks
16:27 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: now you need a message for +/- 1 point (not points, but point) and 0 (boo! no points for that!)
16:28 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Does that really make sense ?
16:28 <joda_bot> I'm just sanitychecking the messages concept ;)
16:29 <joda_bot> If it does not make sense, well I can still scrap it
16:29 <joda_bot> I might also unify language items
16:29 <joda_bot> they all look a bit diverse to me right now
16:29 <wrtlprnft> maybe you can add a string for lost/won?
16:29 <joda_bot> heh, that might work too, and sounds easier
16:29 <joda_bot> add a parameter to each message
16:30 <joda_bot> and template the value that is being inserted
16:30 <joda_bot> "template"= translate
16:30 <wrtlprnft> like, make a message for lost 1 point, no points, gained a point, gained >1 points and lost >1 points
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and append it to every message
16:31 <wrtlprnft> then you'd have to rewrite them all in a way so it comes at the end of the sentence
16:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: for every language :|
16:31 <joda_bot> Not sure if that possible
16:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah :(
16:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: so you think it does not hurt to have it ?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> no, it doesn't, but it's lots of strings.
16:33 <joda_bot> heh, yeah
16:34 <joda_bot> I'll try to minize it
16:34 <wrtlprnft> and face it, "Player 1 lost 1 points" is a plain error
16:36 <joda_bot> point point
16:36 <joda_bot> points points
16:36 <joda_bot> win_points gains
16:36 <joda_bot> lose_points lost
16:36 <joda_bot> no_points no points for that.
16:36 <wrtlprnft> gains and lost?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> either gained and lost or gains and loses
16:38 <joda_bot> something like this and then template the other messages for it:
16:38 <joda_bot> player_suicide
16:38 <joda_bot> player_frag
16:38 <joda_bot> player_teamfrag
16:38 <joda_bot> player_frag_ai
16:38 <joda_bot> player_teamfrag_ai
16:38 <joda_bot> hm, might factor out team based frags
16:38 <joda_bot> teamsuicide ;)
16:39 <wrtlprnft> I'm afraid there is no really good solution for this, so go ahead :)
16:41 <joda_bot> multiples messages allow for easier translation but more translation work :|
16:42 <joda_bot> Where does "basename" come from ?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> from lucifers sound stuff
16:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Didn't you talk with Lucifer_arma about basename ?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> yes i did
16:43 <joda_bot> I don't have the function on windows :(
16:43 <joda_bot> Where is it from ?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> but i see no reason to actually use any library function
16:43 <wrtlprnft> does #ifdef WINDOWS work?
16:43 <joda_bot> huh ?
16:44 <joda_bot> guess not
16:44 <joda_bot> I thought it was WIN32 ;)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> ok, WIN32 then
16:44 <wrtlprnft> i was just guessing
16:45 <wrtlprnft> then I'll just reimplement it :)
16:47 <joda_bot> huh ?
16:47 <joda_bot> I guess there is a function like that
16:47 <joda_bot> just have to find the windows equivalent
16:47 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter, it's easier like that
16:47 <wrtlprnft> there's std::string, it has just the function i need
16:48 <joda_bot> can you tell me the line so I can compile or is it more complicated ?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> uh, eSoundMixer.cpp, search for basename
16:50 <joda_bot> sure got it
16:50 <joda_bot> code::blocks send me there as it's a compile time error
16:51 <joda_bot> ah, just removed it ;)
16:51 <joda_bot> this allows me to compile and fix it later
16:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: fixed
17:10 <joda_bot> ok
17:11 <wrtlprnft> the fix works fine, so no need for some library function
17:11 <wrtlprnft> mac is probably different as well
17:14 <joda_bot> but mac is based on unix / posix
17:14 <joda_bot> Windows NT is not really based on that
17:15 <wrtlprnft> g2g, cya
17:15 <joda_bot> cu
17:15 <joda_bot> thx
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18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: new game mode
18:26 <Luke-Jr> not done yet
18:26 <Luke-Jr> I've explained the concept here a few weeks ago or so, so your logs lilely have details
18:29 <Luke-Jr> yet another one of my two-different-teams modes
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18:43 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: are you here?
18:57 <joda_bot> quote: (00:17:38) wrtlprnft: g2g, cya
18:58 <joda_bot> it's now 02:00:00 for me
19:05 <Luke-Jr> anyone want to try the new game mode?
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it's on the public list as "CvS Test Server"
19:07 <Vanhayes> what kind of game?
19:08 <Vanhayes> what kind of game mode that is
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19:31 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: incoming me
19:45 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: your server died
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #0 0x0000000000534fdc in tString::operator[] ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #1 0x00000000004b40cb in handle_chat ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #2 0x00000000004eb950 in nDescriptor::HandleMessage ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #3 0x00000000004ee33d in rec_peer ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #4 0x00000000004ef29e in sn_Receive ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #5 0x00000000004331ad in gGame::NetSync ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #6 0x0000000000433455 in gGame::GameLoop ()
19:45 <Luke-Jr> #7 0x00000000004220f9 in GameLoop ()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> #8 0x0000000000422302 in sg_EnterGameCore ()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> #9 0x0000000000422365 in sg_EnterGame ()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> #10 0x000000000042b8d0 in own_game ()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> #11 0x000000000043540c in sg_HostGame ()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> #12 0x00000000004080ef in main ()
19:46 <wrtlprnft> worthless without debug info
19:46 <Luke-Jr> o
19:46 <Luke-Jr> crap
19:46 <Luke-Jr> just killed it
19:46 <Luke-Jr> :x
19:46 <Luke-Jr> o well, back up and recording this time
19:47 <wrtlprnft> second, I'll check for that bug, see if it's possible with that info
19:47 <wrtlprnft> stupid gdb should give you at least the raw arguments!
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you can't make me a stackdump?
19:50 <wrtlprnft> no clue from that debug output, tString::operator[] gets called too often in handle_chat
19:50 <wrtlprnft> bb on your server in a bit
19:58 <joda_bot> did anyone modify the sortresources.py ?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> sub lost points for duming me?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> not me
20:00 <Luke-Jr> fixed
20:00 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: do you want me to send the rotator and dtd to you so you can work on it?
20:00 <Self_Destructo> i'm leaving for an indefinate amount of time
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20:02 <wrtlprnft> yet another crash :(
20:02 <Self_Destructo> ...
20:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, sure, send it to me...
20:02 <wrtlprnft> it'll be a long while until i can work on it, though
20:02 <Luke-Jr> want me to send crash recordings? ;)
20:03 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
20:03 <wrtlprnft> uh, sec
20:03 <wrtlprnft> i need to find out how to accept it on irsse
20:03 <wrtlprnft> i need to find out how to accept it on irssi
20:04 <Luke-Jr> heh
20:04 <Luke-Jr> /dcc?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah, figured it out
20:04 <wrtlprnft> now it says 0%...
20:04 <Luke-Jr> hrm
20:04 <wrtlprnft> do i have to open some port?
20:05 <Luke-Jr> try now
20:05 <wrtlprnft> done :)
20:05 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to compile your server i guess
20:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, and i need to figure out where it put that file
20:08 <Vanhayes> crashed
20:09 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: sent the email
20:10 <joda_bot> hm
20:10 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: thanks
20:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: got any idea why I get a error running sortresources ?
20:11 <joda_bot> # parse arguments
20:11 <joda_bot> for arg in sys.argv[1:]:
20:11 <joda_bot> # parse options
20:11 <joda_bot> if arg[0] == "-": <<<----- this line
20:11 <joda_bot> " "
20:11 <joda_bot> Traceback (most recent call last):
20:11 <joda_bot> File "sortresources.py", line 217, in ?
20:11 <joda_bot> if arg[0] == "-":
20:11 <joda_bot> IndexError: string index out of range
20:11 <wrtlprnft> that means that the first argument is empty?
20:11 <wrtlprnft> at least i guess
20:11 <wrtlprnft> so
20:11 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: apparently it's someone trying to /smg
20:12 <Luke-Jr> /msg
20:12 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: i can still be contacted via that email address.
20:12 <wrtlprnft> the only thing about python i know (after lots of practice) is how to spell it
20:12 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: :)
20:12 <joda_bot> if len(arg)>0 and arg[0] == "-":
20:12 <joda_bot> ok fixed it
20:13 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: wow
20:14 <wrtlprnft> it crashes my server, too
20:15 <wrtlprnft> that would explain the random crashes i get
20:15 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:16 <wrtlprnft> (i can't have debug recordings or debug info on my server, it's already at its limits with ~6 players
20:16 <Luke-Jr> heh
20:16 <wrtlprnft> so i just get the crash with the restart in my logs
20:17 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't actually crash for me
20:17 <Luke-Jr> it just freezes
20:17 <Luke-Jr> I need to kill it
20:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, sh***
20:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: thanks for warning me
20:18 <wrtlprnft> it had already eaten 50% of my server's RAM
20:18 <wrtlprnft> which is critical, it would have crashed soon
20:18 <Luke-Jr> >_<
20:19 <wrtlprnft> that also explains those inexplicable server crashes i have
20:19 <Self_Destructo> Luke-Jr: continue working on my program despite the fact that I'll be gone
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> back, what did I miss?
20:19 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: i dunno... did you hear I am leaving?
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> leaving? as in <what>?
20:20 <Luke-Jr> Self_Destructo: you'll be gone?
20:20 <Self_Destructo> for an indefinate amount of time
20:21 <Self_Destructo> probably the only contact will be my email address
20:21 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: fixed a bug in sortresources ;)
20:21 <Self_Destructo> sd@xzlclan.com
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> you mean leaving the game? We call that "taking a break". :)
20:22 <wrtlprnft> indefinite = about how long=
20:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> a month? 6 months? a year? 5 years?
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> if he knew that, it would be definite
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> indefinite = unknown, undefined, etc.
20:23 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: aha
20:23 <wrtlprnft> i see
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about to drink an indefinite amount of te
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> *tea
20:23 <wrtlprnft> it's requesting an index after the end of a string
20:23 <wrtlprnft> and then the next index
20:23 <Luke-Jr> o.o
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> the basename problem been fixed yet, does anybody know?
20:23 <wrtlprnft> and since that evil tString function autoexpands it goes ad infinitum
20:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes it is
20:24 <Luke-Jr> eek
20:24 <wrtlprnft> luckily it warns you in debug mode :)
20:24 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: it's more than a break
20:24 <wrtlprnft> Message: Message from char& tString::operator[](size_t) in ../../src/tools/tString.cpp:1140 : Auto-expanding string, this functionality will go away.
20:24 <Self_Destructo> or at least it might be
20:25 <wrtlprnft> while (current_place < msg.Len() && !isspace(msg[current_place])) {
20:25 <wrtlprnft> buffer_name[current_place]=msg[current_place];
20:25 <wrtlprnft> current_place++;
20:25 <wrtlprnft> }
20:25 <wrtlprnft> eek
20:25 <wrtlprnft> now i know why it's evil
20:26 <wrtlprnft> since it requests something after the length it gets expanded and the length gets bigger next time
20:26 <wrtlprnft> and so on
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> Self_Destructo: well, I don't know what to say. Have fun on your break. :)
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: from me, too
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> so I don't have to do anything more for basename?
20:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, I replaced it by some homebrewn code
20:28 <wrtlprnft> that just returns everything after the last \ on windows and / on everything else
20:30 <Luke-Jr> does it work in the "/usr/bin/" case?
20:30 <wrtlprnft> with the tailing slash?
20:30 <Luke-Jr> basename returns "bin", not ""
20:30 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:30 <wrtlprnft> returns an empty string
20:30 <Luke-Jr> bug?
20:31 <wrtlprnft> but not important in this case
20:31 <wrtlprnft> music files aren't directories
20:31 <wrtlprnft> and it isn't a real function yet
20:31 <Luke-Jr> ok
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> basename is supposed to return "" in the trailing slash case
20:32 <wrtlprnft> i think noone ran the /msg stuff through a debugger with debug stuff in a long time...
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> it has errors all over the place
20:40 <Luke-Jr> easy to fix?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> ok, fixed it i think
20:40 <wrtlprnft> it was just hit by the std::string conversion, and noone noticed
20:41 <wrtlprnft> and now I'm forced to upgrade my servers to svn :(
20:41 <Luke-Jr> commit...
20:43 <wrtlprnft> need to make devcheck first and write a log entry
20:44 <Luke-Jr> grr
20:44 * Luke-Jr merges to trunk anyway
20:44 <wrtlprnft> done.
20:44 <wrtlprnft> merge the trunk into your copy
20:44 <Luke-Jr> already doing
20:44 <Luke-Jr> gonna have to remerge that last fix =p
20:45 * Luke-Jr wonders why /msg was only popular on the new game mode
20:45 <wrtlprnft> maybe someone wanted to /msg you someone?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> the people on my race server are mostly noobs
20:46 <spidey> boobs!?
20:46 <wrtlprnft> NNNNoobs
20:47 <wrtlprnft> spidey: control your fantasies (,)(,)
20:47 <wrtlprnft> */msg you something
20:48 <spidey> :p
20:51 <Luke-Jr> svn merge sux
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> sucks is spelled S U C K S
20:52 <wrtlprnft> zman has some automerge script methinks
20:53 <wrtlprnft> but he's probably the only one who knows how to use it
20:53 <wrtlprnft> lol, yay for static electricity
20:53 <Luke-Jr> merged
20:53 <n54> thow out the carpets :)
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i have a plastic tube of erasers for my mechanical pencils
20:54 <n54> throw*
20:54 <Luke-Jr> sux is 2 char shorter
20:54 <Luke-Jr> I just meant its algorithm
20:54 <wrtlprnft> and if i shake it the erasers get charged the same way
20:54 <Luke-Jr> it finds conflicts in files I didn't change
20:54 <wrtlprnft> now they float above each other a bit
20:54 <n54> :)
20:54 <Luke-Jr> sux is 60% of sucks
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> sux is 100% lame, but sucks is less than 10% lame
20:55 <wrtlprnft> so, if you wanna say it really sucks you use the 66.7% longer version
20:56 <n54> #cyborg sux
20:56 <armabot> n54: S.U.X.: Synthetic Upgraded Xenomorph
20:56 <wrtlprnft> omg, can't you post your merges in a cia, compatinle format?
20:56 <n54> #cyborg sucks
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> ?
20:56 <armabot> n54: S.U.C.K.S.: Synthetic Unit Calibrated for Killing and Sabotage
20:56 <wrtlprnft> that means no space at the beginning of lines since that means code
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> see? sucks is much cooler than sux
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight sux sucks
20:56 <n54> yup
20:56 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/
20:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sucks: 81800000, sux: 11400000
20:56 <wrtlprnft> no cpaces unless it's code
20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eh?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> *spaces
20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I just dumped 'svn log' into it
20:57 <n54> hmm that works?
20:57 <n54> # google fight n54 me
20:57 <armabot> n54: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
20:57 <spidey> #pwn
20:57 <n54> #google fight n54 me
20:58 * wrtlprnft is gonna have to fix cia's css :(
20:58 <armabot> n54: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
20:58 <spidey> lol
20:58 <wrtlprnft> or no, don't even have to
20:58 <wrtlprnft> long live the fit to width option of opera!
20:58 * n54 was fooled by luci :)
20:58 <wrtlprnft> now the long code line just gets wrapped
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight sucks sux
20:59 <Luke-Jr> wtf does CIA use <pre> for code?
20:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sucks: 97000000, sux: 8280000
20:59 * Lucifer_arma notes that the license for google's web api only allows a certain amount of queries a day
20:59 <wrtlprnft> yay now I'm happy
20:59 <wrtlprnft> just used the new ad blocker to get rid of that huge arma screenshot
21:00 <Lucifer_arma> can't cia use a simple text->html converter? There are some pretty good ones available...
21:00 <wrtlprnft> it's nice, but eats a third of the page width
21:00 <wrtlprnft> that's what it does
21:00 <wrtlprnft> and that converter interprets every line beginning with whitespace as code
21:00 <wrtlprnft> like mediawiki does
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> who's yarrt? Is that K?
21:01 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
21:01 <n54> #google fight netbsd openbsd
21:01 <armabot> n54: netbsd: 30400000, openbsd: 24500000
21:01 <wrtlprnft> then who's k_at_work?
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm........
21:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: not quite
21:01 <Luke-Jr> CIA's interpretor turns every line beginning with whitespace into 'preformatted', not code
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet that's joda
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you don't need to commit every line of code immediately...
21:02 <wrtlprnft> that's cia spam :P
21:02 <Luke-Jr> K has 2 SF users IIRC
21:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nah
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: like mediawiki does
21:02 <Luke-Jr> I commit every seperate change
21:02 <Luke-Jr> my point was that <pre> != <code>
21:02 <wrtlprnft> yes, i know
21:02 <Luke-Jr> <code> allows wrapping :)
21:03 <Luke-Jr> which works for most languages
21:03 <wrtlprnft> it wouldn't be a problem if CIA didn't use tables
21:03 <Luke-Jr> oh?
21:03 <Luke-Jr> why not?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> if that was a div, a long line would just stick out of the page
21:03 <wrtlprnft> but normal text would still flow normally
21:03 <Luke-Jr> oh, right
21:03 <wrtlprnft> just tables get expanded
21:04 <wrtlprnft> in non- IE browsers, that is
21:05 <n54> heads: grab a cider tails: grab a soda
21:05 <n54> #coin
21:05 <armabot> n54: tails
21:05 <wrtlprnft> anyone itn
21:05 <wrtlprnft> *interested in a #supercoin?
21:06 * wrtlprnft needs a return key far away from backspace and shift
21:06 <n54> heh perhaps :)
21:06 <n54> try the numpad one ;)
21:07 <spidey> lol,my brother told my grandma the reason i'm so stupid's cause i smoke so much pot
21:07 <spidey> i'm not that stupid :/
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> yet
21:08 <spidey> !
21:08 <n54> and your grandam told him to stfu and hand over the joint? ^^
21:08 <n54> ma*
21:08 <wrtlprnft> n54: my notebook doesn't have a numpad
21:08 <spidey> lol
21:08 <n54> I was afraid of that wrtlprnft ^^
21:09 <wrtlprnft> I could try to see if i can remap the power button...
21:09 <n54> :?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: you can always access this room using http://armagetron.nixda.net/ :)
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21:10 <n54> you could hook up a big red button through a com or usb or something, I mean a _big_ red button you could smash with your palm ^^
21:10 <wrtlprnft> just in case you ever get time
21:10 <wrtlprnft> maybe something i can hit with my foot?
21:11 <n54> sure, but it sounds less fun
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21:11 <wrtlprnft> gi GodTodd
21:11 <wrtlprnft> or vircuser, whatever
21:11 <wrtlprnft> *hi
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21:11 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:12 <n54> prob just changing his name
21:12 <wrtlprnft> and his user :P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> can't change his hostname
21:12 <n54> of course he can ^^
21:13 <wrtlprnft> not that easily
21:13 <spidey> can to
21:13 <n54> very easily really
21:13 <n54> tons of ways
21:13 <spidey> just find a socks5that uses a abnormal port so the ircd scanners don't find it
21:14 <spidey> simple :p
21:14 <wrtlprnft> whatever...
21:14 <wrtlprnft> he could use a proxy, of course
21:14 <Luke-Jr> SSH tunnel
21:14 <n54> or better yet a shell account
21:14 <spidey> i could jump on dialup,lmao
21:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, with proxy i meant ssh tunnel in this case
21:15 <wrtlprnft> what does louven's post in sd's thread say?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> let me guess:
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21:15 <wrtlprnft> we don't need you anyways, you just supported all those awful fearures like maps and config rotation
21:15 <wrtlprnft> wb
21:16 <n54> wb GodTodd
21:16 <GodTodd> 'ello
21:16 <wrtlprnft> s/fearures/gimmiks
21:17 <n54> why is SD leaving?
21:19 <Luke-Jr> btw
21:19 <Luke-Jr> admin pass on CvS is foob
21:19 <Luke-Jr> if you guys wanna play w/ settings and stuff
21:19 <Vanhayes> ....
21:19 <Vanhayes> really it is foob?
21:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
21:20 <wrtlprnft> too bad the include thing doesn't work anymore ;)
21:20 <wrtlprnft> I'll play around later
21:20 <Luke-Jr> hehe
21:20 <wrtlprnft> although it would be almost useless i guess
21:20 * Luke-Jr wonders if he needs to run arma as a diff user...
21:20 <wrtlprnft> i have shell access anyways
21:20 <Luke-Jr> hehe, not as me :x
21:20 <wrtlprnft> oh, it's running as luke?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> ok, that's a different thing
21:21 * Luke-Jr changes admin pass
21:21 <wrtlprnft> O_O
21:21 <wrtlprnft> that wasn't a threat
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21:30 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know if there's a way to change a player's color during the round?
21:34 <Luke-Jr> i know
21:35 <Luke-Jr> but I'd rather be safe for now
21:35 <Luke-Jr> will move it to a diff user later
21:35 <Luke-Jr> and put pass back at foob
21:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok, tell me when
21:36 <wrtlprnft> what kind of connection do you have anyways?
21:40 <Luke-Jr> cable
21:40 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:41 <Luke-Jr> which I can uncap/untrack on demand
21:41 <Luke-Jr> (untrack = ISP can't locate me)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> hiding somewhere?
21:41 <Luke-Jr> hm?
21:41 <Luke-Jr> for example, if MPAA whines about me
21:41 <Luke-Jr> they're screwed
21:41 <Luke-Jr> ;)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:42 <wrtlprnft> i guess you have to be somewhere near your home
21:42 <wrtlprnft> so they could locate you
21:42 <Luke-Jr> yes, they'd need to sniff the cable entering the building to know which building I'm in
21:42 <Luke-Jr> hence why it's always off when their trucks are in the area
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Q_o
21:44 <Luke-Jr> but anyway
21:44 <Luke-Jr> ssh
21:44 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:44 <Luke-Jr> shhh*
21:44 <Luke-Jr> bblz
21:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, cya
21:50 * wrtlprnft goes and updates his servers to svn :(
21:53 <joda_bot> Is anyone really in favor of the textures\icon.png ?
21:53 <joda_bot> Or should we switch to the armagetronad\desktop\..\*.png icons ?
21:57 * n54 is in favour of treating the icon resource just as any other tecture/graphics resource
21:57 <wrtlprnft> n54: well, that's not possible for icons
21:57 <n54> if that had any relevance to your question :)
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> last time I checked, we were using what's in desktop anyway
21:57 <wrtlprnft> they're read without arma being executed
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> at least, we are in unix
21:58 <wrtlprnft> I don't favour any icon, they both seem fine
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> the icon source is in armagetronad_build (or whatever it's been renamed to)
21:58 <wrtlprnft> although ed's is more modern, i guess, so i'd say use that
22:01 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: can you check if Armagetron loads textures\icon.png as application logo ?
22:01 <joda_bot> On Windows that icon.png is used during runtime
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> it uses the one in textures
22:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:02 <joda_bot> ok, the one in textures is old
22:02 <wrtlprnft> at least for KDE
22:02 <joda_bot> it's the red cycle with grid
22:02 <joda_bot> so what would be a good resolution ?
22:02 <joda_bot> 32x32 ?
22:02 <joda_bot> or bigger ?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> I'll have to find out how to get arma to display the cycle like that on my client...
22:03 <wrtlprnft> seems like i have an opengl bug
22:03 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: what are you planning to use it for?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> windows .ico files can contain multiple resolutions at once
22:05 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the icons out of the desktop folders
22:05 <joda_bot> 48x48 does not work for me on windows 2000
22:05 <joda_bot> so I guess it's 32 32
22:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: any chance we get a volume control ? ;)
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> check global key binds, you have one
22:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: is there a hot key to stop the current track ?
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> check global key binds, none are bound by default
22:07 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: does not work on the menus :(
22:08 <n54> llok if you're going to have icons then do it right, have both 16x16 and 32x32 at least
22:09 <n54> 48x48 & 64x64 are optional but it's so easy there's no point not having it (all in one file of course)
22:09 <joda_bot> n54: the executable has 16,24,32,48,64 with 16,256,32 colors
22:09 <n54> ok
22:10 <joda_bot> n54: just the game executable loads the logo at runtime from texture\icon.png
22:10 <n54> seems I misinterpreted the conversiation then - sorry
22:10 <joda_bot> I have not looked how or where the icon is loaded
22:10 <joda_bot> might be more sane to use the icons from the executable
22:11 <joda_bot> on the other hand the user can now still customize the runtime icon
22:11 <n54> they can customize both (I did)
22:12 <joda_bot> n54: yes but you need a reseditor for the one solution while the other just requires a suitable png
22:13 <n54> about that; I kinda was thinking about including custom icons in the moviepack/theme way back when <-- what I was alluding to earlier wrtlprnft
22:14 <n54> but yeah it takes more effort
22:14 * wrtlprnft doesn't care about windows icons at all :P
22:16 <n54> who says they need be windows icons only?
22:16 <joda_bot> n54: well the problem is that you need a platform independend format then
22:17 <n54> no you need more than one format - just liek right now
22:17 <n54> like*
22:17 <joda_bot> which results in extra coding work and probably some nasty tricks to get each os to use the icons set at runtime
22:17 <joda_bot> or that
22:17 <joda_bot> but then the user can't customize
22:17 <joda_bot> on Mac OS X and Windows the icons are part of the application
22:18 <joda_bot> and thus require resource editors or atleast some knowledge how to modify the application (mac os x)
22:18 <n54> armagetron used to use an ico file actually iirc
22:18 <n54> (on windows of course)
22:18 <joda_bot> n54: just for the icon at run time
22:18 <joda_bot> But not for the icon in the start menu
22:19 <n54> are you saying the start menu icon is harcoded inside the exe?
22:19 <joda_bot> AFAIK the runtime icon is still customizable
22:19 <joda_bot> yes I guess
22:20 <joda_bot> yes it is
22:20 <joda_bot> that's also why windows uses that icon for the exec
22:20 <joda_bot> I changed it now so that future builds (0.3.x) will use the yellow icon
22:21 <joda_bot> z-man might decide to merge it to b0.2.8.2
22:22 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: any idea why I don't have any AI in a local game ?
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> nope
22:22 <wrtlprnft> uh, what's NUM_AIS set to?
22:23 <joda_bot> ah wait ... probably my fault ;)
22:23 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:23 <joda_bot> guess I compiled the team code workspace ;)
22:23 <wrtlprnft> enum sr_fontType { sr_fontConsole = 0001, //!< for the console sr_fontMenu = 0002, //!< for menu text sr_fontMenuTitle = 0004, //!< for the titles above menus sr_fontScoretable = 0010, //!< for the score table (the one that comes when you press TAB) sr_fontMenuHelp = 0020, //!< for the help that pops up if you idle in the menu
22:23 <wrtlprnft> sr_fontError = 0040, //!< for error message like the one th at pops up if you get kicked from the server
22:23 <wrtlprnft> }
22:23 <joda_bot> and I mess with a lot of parts of the team management code there
22:23 <wrtlprnft> can you think about anything else?
22:23 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: can you resend the above text with linebreaks ?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue why they got cropped in the first place
22:24 <joda_bot> atleast I didn't get any
22:24 <joda_bot> in gaim I have paste and paste as text ;)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/61254
22:24 <wrtlprnft> it usually respects linebreaks
22:25 <wrtlprnft> but it probably decided that i would get kicked if i pasted 8 lines at once
22:25 <joda_bot> HUD
22:25 <joda_bot> ;)
22:25 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, totally forgot that one
22:25 <joda_bot> Server Browser ?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> that's a menu, technically
22:26 <joda_bot> yeah technically ;)
22:26 <joda_bot> but it has a lot of text usually ;)
22:26 <joda_bot> compared to the menus
22:26 <wrtlprnft> that means we would need some hacking to make it different
22:26 <wrtlprnft> true
22:26 <wrtlprnft> and chat/console should be extra, too
22:26 <joda_bot> center messages ?
22:26 <wrtlprnft> true
22:26 <joda_bot> but somehow ... it all explodes
22:27 <joda_bot> can't we find another way to select fonts ?
22:27 <joda_bot> I'd rather postpone it until the gui widgets are remadte ?
22:27 <joda_bot> if they ever will
22:28 <wrtlprnft> what's that bad about it? It's about as good as we can get
22:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe the internal handling isn't optimal right now, but that can change
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and i have to go through all functions rendering fonts anyways
22:28 <wrtlprnft> since the width pararameter doesn't make sense anymore
22:29 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: once it's there it will sit there and refuse to move for quite some time ;)
22:29 <wrtlprnft> well, the menus won't change for a while i guess
22:29 <joda_bot> hm, right
22:29 <wrtlprnft> oh, i just see, the server browser is fine for getting its own font
22:30 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: What would be a good folder to collect all the build related icons ?
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> check out where it's at in the build module
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what the build module got renamed to, though, but that's where the icon sources are kept
22:30 <joda_bot> in build is a icon folder which is not really strictly enforced (debian got it's own icon copies)
22:31 <joda_bot> windows well got it's icons in code_blocks and visual c currently
22:31 <joda_bot> that really has to be moved to winlibs
22:31 <joda_bot> perhaps should be renamed to wincommons
22:32 <joda_bot> or another module called winres
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's the problem
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> we need to keep icons synced for all platforms somehow, but we don't have a cross-platform way to do that
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> OS X wants a 128x128 png, iirc.
22:32 <joda_bot> sure
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> windows wants .ico
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> KDE and GNOME both want .pngs for each size available
22:32 <joda_bot> Just a similiar folder structure might actually help to get a good overview
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> what I would like to do is have a directory that is the definitive icon sources
22:33 <joda_bot> if I know all icons for linux are in build\icons
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> it should contain the vectored format of the icon, and also pngs of different sizes
22:33 <joda_bot> and for os x we don't have a build module yet right ?
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> I have a program that takes a group of pngs and turns them into a windows icon
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> It's for linux, I don't know if it'll build in windows
22:33 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: as our logo is rendered ... there is no vector format ;)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, if we don't have that version of the icon source, that's fine
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if we did...
22:34 <wrtlprnft> you might be able to convert the 3d source into a svg file...
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/
22:34 <joda_bot> well we've got a highres version of the icon atleast 128x128
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, according to their website, the program works in windows too
22:34 <wrtlprnft> mathematically it is
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> so what I want to do is have an icon target in the makefiles that uses this program to take the icon sources and build the windows icon file
22:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: good luck... I don't want to tell windows to compile a svg into it's exe ;)
22:35 <joda_bot> well it probably would include it, but won't show it ;)
22:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I don't want a build process for it
22:35 <n54> let's say a source is either 256x or vector? should provide enough resolution for most future wants
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> no? why not?
22:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: The task is done seldom enough, except if you plan to change it for every build
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> because it doesn't change often enough to matter? :)
22:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: just a good structure in the build stuff ;)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine. I'd like to keep icon sources in the build module, and it's ok imo to build it there and then commit to the main module
22:36 <joda_bot> We might also try to coax nemo into creating a os x build_osx module ;)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> see, the build module needs to be cleaned up anyway, a whole bunch
22:36 <joda_bot> build_xcode actually
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> right now it's basically a dump of all the automation scripts z-man uses to build a release
22:37 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: sounds good for a start ;)
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> but we really need to clean it up quite a bit, collect all the icons in one place and have everybody use those is a good start
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't object at all to including the png2ico source in the build module, but you might check with z-man and see what he thinks
22:38 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: do we have anyone to build a freebsd installer / version ?
22:38 <joda_bot> because it's still locked at 0.2.7.
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's not readily available for any distribution, afaik, so people would still have to download it
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> we had someone, I don't know where they went, though
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> there was work along those lines, we're trying to have the source release at least work on *bsd :)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: did you fix it so it loads the right icon into the window yet?
22:39 <joda_bot> guess belenus did work on it
22:40 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: no haven't commited the corrected icon.png yet
22:40 <joda_bot> want it ?
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'd rather see it deleted and the icon loaded from the desktop directory
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> the windows installer might need to be modified to handle it
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking for the line right now, I'll do it and commit that :)
22:41 <joda_bot> for windows it's important that at most the medium icon is used
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok. Do you prefer the medium or the small?
22:42 <joda_bot> atleast it's broken with larger icons
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> umm, we can use the .ico file directly, can't we?
22:42 <joda_bot> medium was fine on w2k
22:42 <joda_bot> might be broken on Windows 98
22:42 <joda_bot> if we still support that
22:43 <joda_bot> the previous logo was 32,32 by 256 colors too
22:43 <joda_bot> so it should be no problem
22:43 <joda_bot> except that the pngs have 24bit colors ;)
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> sdl might do some magic to it, it's a special sdl call to set the window icon
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I just committed. It's on line 478 of gArmagetron.cpp. I put in a really wild path that is correct for Linux, you might want an #ifdef WIN32 so you can put the icon file in a more convenient location
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> it looks better with the medium icon in KDE, so if you'd prefer to use that one, please do :)
22:50 <joda_bot> somehow I don't see the commit yet
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> Sending src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> Transmitting file data .
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> Committed revision 4725.
22:51 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/
22:51 <wrtlprnft> sitting right there
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you beat me to that link :)
22:52 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:52 <joda_bot> :-P
22:52 <wrtlprnft> yarrt is joda :P
22:52 <wrtlprnft> not k
22:52 * joda_bot cloakes
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with yarrt --from Lucifer_arma
22:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [21:01:08] <Lucifer_arma> who's yarrt? Is that K?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
22:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet that's joda
22:53 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> 'night wrtlprnft
22:53 <n54> cya wrtlprnft :)
22:54 <wrtlprnft> I'll tackle all those errors tomorrow
22:55 <joda_bot> cu wrtlprnft
22:55 <wrtlprnft> woot 4 people saying good night... record!
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> #echo 'night
22:55 <armabot> 'night
22:56 <wrtlprnft> armabot was the first one to say good night
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> #echo I'm not a person, I'm a bot.
22:56 <armabot> I'm not a person, I'm a bot.
22:56 * n54 guesses wrtlprnft has sound sleeping habits since it's dawn here ^^
22:56 <wrtlprnft> if it's a she she must have personal quality
22:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:56 <n54> #armabot do you have a eprsonality?
22:56 <armabot> n54: You know the answer better than I.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #eliza are you human or a bot
22:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Why do you say are me human or a bot?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> #echo that doesn't mean I"m a person.
22:57 <armabot> that doesn't mean I"m a person.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #eliza because i forgot the ?
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: What do you think?
22:57 <n54> #armabot do you dislike that Lucifer speaks on your behalf?
22:57 <armabot> n54: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #eliza i think you're as much of a bot as anyone else here
22:57 <n54> ok I will ;)
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Why do you say that?
22:57 <wrtlprnft> frustrating
22:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I bet this works for windows too
22:58 <joda_bot> except for the "/" perhaps
22:58 <joda_bot> but that should be handled in the backend :-P
22:59 <wrtlprnft> mathias@butler 2 $ svn update src/render/rColor.h ~/armagetronadsvn
22:59 <wrtlprnft> At revision 4725.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> mathias@butler $ ls src/render/rColor.h ~/armagetronadsvn
22:59 <wrtlprnft> ls: src/render/rColor.h: No such file or directory
22:59 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> pwd
23:00 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: except that the widnows version does not copy the desktop folder ;)
23:00 <wrtlprnft> (the ~/armagetronadsvn is part of my prompt)
23:00 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: that desktop folder solution is not the best idea
23:00 <joda_bot> because it requires a few additional directories for windows
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: this is a place where you should #ifdef windows and maybe provide one for mac
23:01 <joda_bot> and in the end icon.pn is a texture / resource
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> those directories are the correct place for Linux, that's where the makefile puts it
23:01 <joda_bot> so just leave it at texture/icon.png
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> ? but that's the wrong solution :)
23:01 * Lucifer_arma wants to eliminate the texture subdirectory entirely
23:02 <joda_bot> the windows solution is to use the resource icons of the exe
23:02 <joda_bot> ;)
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23:02 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I don't mind but only if we have a resource management as replacement ;)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's what we're working on. But the icon isn't a resource
23:03 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: are you sure the desktop dir is included with all linux dists ? ;)
23:03 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: what's it then ?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's installed when you do make install whether you want it or not, afaik.
23:03 <joda_bot> it's required to run the game => resouce ;)
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> great, more language lawyers
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> is joda_bot just a german clone of Luke-Jr ?
23:04 <joda_bot> If you only use it for links , I'm fine with your definition
23:04 <joda_bot> but the game will crash / complain if you don't have the icon
23:04 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: i hope not
23:04 <joda_bot> :-P
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> what's the problem? Can you do an #ifdef?
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, Mr. Language Lawyer. Required to run the program = program resource, found in resource files.
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> Required to play the game = game resource. This is the stuff we use xml files and tResourceManager for
23:10 * n54 exits blackbox on his windows machine to check something about icons
23:15 <spidey> #ping
23:15 <armabot> pong
23:15 <spidey> hmm
23:16 <n54> ok as an example winzip on w2k; in the start menu you can change the icon (they're all shortcuts anyway) and the source is the winzip.exe itself rather than an .ico file - however for the actual exe you cannot change the icon, still there's no .ico file - same applies for winamp
23:16 <n54> however all shortcuts can be changed by referenceing any .ico file too naturally
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the icon gets built into the .exe by the compiler/linker and that's what's usually used.
23:17 <n54> yes
23:18 <n54> but is it really set in stone? I don't see any reason it should be?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> linux and OS X both do something similar, they store the icon on disk away from the executable, and it's diametrically opposed to what windows does
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> it would be simpler, imo, to build the icon into the exe.
23:18 <n54> yes I know
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> So, to handle this situation, SDL (and every other cross platform toolkit I've seen) has an api call to load an icon for the window manager
23:19 <n54> yeah but the *nix way has advantages too imo
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> you're supposed to call that particular function early, during program initialization, and we do that.
23:19 <n54> yes and that api doesn't need to be hardlinked does it?
23:19 <n54> the "resource" it references I mean
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> so the menu icons and all that other stuff in windows are determined by what's built into the executable (which is technically a resource)
23:20 <n54> yes I do think changing an icon the "way I think" would require restarting the prog
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> but what's used in the window of the game when you run it is handled by that api call
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't see any good reason to allow changing the icon.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I take it back, I see one good reason.
23:20 <n54> menu icons are actually meant to refresh
23:20 <n54> it would be neat & cool imo :)
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> Somewhere down the line we're going to make it possible to take the armagetronad binary and bundle it up in a package with custom moviepack, game rules, and maps,
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> and release a game that's fundamentally different.
23:21 <n54> but since I'm not coding I don't have any say and I'm not complaining
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> Say I do the ebonstar thing when the game supports it, and instead of releasing it as an add-on, I make it a different game
23:21 <n54> yup
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> the same way people make mods of games now and release them as new games (counterstrike?)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> in that case, it will make a whole lot of sense to directly support changing the window's icon along with the rest
23:22 <n54> or simply a 100% re-skinned theme
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> but because of how the icon is handled otherwise, a person releasing such a mod needs to build from source so he can build in his own icon to the executable
23:23 <n54> yes but couldn't it be in the exe while still not be hard-linked? *thinks so*
23:23 <n54> basically just a pointer
23:24 <n54> just bits like everything else :)
23:24 <n54> anyway I wouldn't call any of this a priority, just wanted the meme out there :)
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> the problem there is probably maintenance, I'm guessing
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> if there's a problem, I don't know :)
23:25 <n54> me neither :)
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> but different windows versions expect to find things in different places
23:25 <n54> I know
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> but they all expect to find the icon they're looking for in the executable
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> which is simpler maintenance from what I can see, but I may just not know enough about how icons are handled in windows
23:26 <n54> and it would be imo :) but perhaps it wont be good enough, I don't know
23:26 <n54> some apps do keep their icons in seperate .ico files though
23:26 <n54> I'll probably have to dig around to find an example outside the system tools
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and some apps distribute their ico file even though they don't use it
23:27 <n54> no no they use it
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:27 * Lucifer_arma wonders if he should point out such an app :)
23:28 <n54> I know I've seen it but finding it will be a bitch
23:28 <n54> point out the app if it's an example :)
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I think audacity does it, but I wont' swear to it. I know they build the icon into the executable and use that for most everything, including what gets loaded in the window
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> what I won't swear to is that they still distribute the ico file in the windows installer.
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> They *used* to, that I can promise you.
23:29 <n54> hmm *doesn't have audacity installed at the moment*
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> but whether or not they still do, I don't know.
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I also don't know if we actually build the icon into the executable. It's possible we don't and we depend on that sdl call I mentioned
23:31 <n54> it would be strange to have an .ico file seperately like armagetron used to do if it is actually built into the exe, sort of overkill afaik
23:32 <n54> I say used since I'm out of date :)
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and if we intend to allow the game to be modded and released like I mentioned, we shouldn't build the icon into the exe
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe shouldn't. Maybe we could provide a tool to change what's there? I don't know. Not my problem. :)
23:33 <n54> nobody's problem :) just something that might eventually turn out to be a neat thing :)
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> fortress is boring against a bot
23:38 <spidey> i'll play
23:38 <spidey> :D
23:38 <spidey> after i get done eating my breakfast
23:38 <n54> :)
23:39 * Lucifer_arma probably wouldn't stay long
23:39 * Lucifer_arma is looking at ai sources right now
23:40 * n54 found a program that uses an external ico file as it's real representation in menus; quicktime alternatie
23:40 <spidey> quicktime sucks
23:40 <n54> yes
23:40 <spidey> it tried to be the alpha mp3 player
23:40 <spidey> i had to show it whos boss and delete it xD
23:41 <spidey> <3 winamp
23:41 <n54> what's worse is that the ordinary quicktime installs heaps of crap, that's why this program is "quicktime alternative"
23:41 <n54> <# vlc
23:41 <n54> <3 vlc I mean
23:42 <spidey> i like amarok
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> amanisland
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> amarok, amanisland
23:43 <n54> ??
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> "I am a rock, I am an island"
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, you kinda have to be a paul simon fan to get that one
23:43 <spidey> just got that
23:43 <n54> ok I know that song; simon & garfunkel
23:44 <n54> but I don't get the point of saying it amarok
23:44 <spidey> am-a-rok
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> amarok = KDE's media player
23:44 <spidey> translated am-a-rock
23:44 <n54> ok haven't used that one
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's fairly new, but unlike some of the others it has rapid development
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's quite full-featured, even if it can't hang with armagetron
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> I used to use xmms for ingame music, then said fuck it and wrote the ingame media player we've got right now :)
23:45 <n54> I use the windows box for media but I relly like vlc and use that and winamp mainly
23:45 <spidey> tron has a ingame media player?
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> sure, but it's not in 0.2.8
23:46 <spidey> :/
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> you want to build arma? :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.8 was in late beta when I wrote it, and the code changes are not trivial, it probably won't ever show up in 0.2.8
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> but it's in svn right now, you can get it from svn and build it yourself and have it
23:47 <spidey> hm
23:47 <spidey> maybe later :p
23:48 <spidey> trying to figure out why my network just stops loading webpages
23:48 <spidey> for no reason
23:54 <n54> time for sleep, cya all :)
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00:37 <Lucifer_arma> "These two questions are inherently related and apparently not answered here. This is likely due to the fact that it's asked so much that we're busy answering it for someone else right this minute. Hopefully we'll get to a good treatment of it here sometime soon." <--- I think I'm so witty
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01:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning everyone
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
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01:03 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma! Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #301: || appears to be a Slow/Narrow SCSI-0 Interface problem
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> er, morning :)
01:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
01:04 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar! Random Fortune: The Celts invented two things, Whiskey and self-destruction.
01:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm isn't that one and the same thing?
01:06 * Lucifer_arma wonders if the Celts invented self-destruction
01:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> finally got back my colored directory listings and made a pretty prompt :)
01:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hehe
01:55 <spidey> tuesday is 6/6/06
01:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yup
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> wooo satan
02:06 <spidey> lol
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02:22 <philippeqc> morning
02:22 * philippeqc is sitting at his gf's computer, far from his code.
02:22 <guru3> haha
02:23 <philippeqc> well, I'll make good use of this time, and study more C++
02:25 <philippeqc> anyone knows what lacking fundamentals Louven is talking about?
02:26 <guru3> i'm not quite there yet on the forums
02:30 <guru3> and nope i don't know
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> tab completion? shuffling rank?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> music? configurable hud?
02:48 <guru3> hrhr
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> camera work in general?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> or does he want the magic "no lag" code that's a physical impossibility? And he's going to hold it against us personally?
02:48 <guru3> i dunno :/
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't know how important it is, even tightening up the game has required a certain amount of rewriting, and doing more of the same requires more of the same
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> coincidentally, so do all the new features and game modes
02:49 <guru3> i like the rabbit hunter idea tho
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ack. Sorry, I kept my irritation on the forums, I'm just dumping it here.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> Yes, I like the rabbit hunter idea too. I'll bet we can reach it with current code, too.
02:50 <guru3> two seperate teams really
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> it is also a variation on a grid game we play on swampland, actually
02:50 <guru3> and then team switching
02:51 <philippeqc> I've had one pm exchange with Louven, hopefully more will come
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> you kknow he's oscilloscope, right?
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> it only says so over his avatar :)
02:52 <philippeqc> but I started thinging bout something he said about rubber, basically (my interpretation) that it was the wrong answer
02:52 <philippeqc> yes I kno
02:52 <philippeqc> just showing respect to his new nick
02:53 <philippeqc> so anyway, I was thinking, what was rubber trying to fix beside network latencies.
02:53 <philippeqc> and its cycle width.
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> how so?
02:54 <philippeqc> (using the "its done like that in the movie arguement") Recall the scene where 2 good guys "grind" each other, and the bad guy smashes into their trace, as the space for it to pass is too small
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, recalled
02:55 <philippeqc> our solution is that one of the 2 good guys have to do a good grind, and the bad guy trys to beat it/ gets surprised and crash
02:55 * Lucifer_arma isn't convinced :)
02:56 <philippeqc> the movie solution was taht the 2 good guys try to close it below the width of the following cycle, and then bad guy cant follow
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> recall also that neither of them cross his path
02:57 <philippeqc> yes, he dies because his cycle width is more than the space available for him (ok, he is also off center, so half his cycle with > space between his trajectory and the nearest trace)
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> and in our game he'd be accelerating between the two walls
02:57 <philippeqc> if he has space to be there, yes.
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that it's a correction for cycle width, it doesn't seem terribly difficult to add cycle width, after all
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> I could be wrong
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> but there's another thing it does allow for that the game requires, and I think we need to take another look at default local game settings :)
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> without rubber, it's nearly impossible to get close enough to a wall to be accelerated by it
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> but if you can't get close to a wall, you can't accelerate
03:00 <philippeqc> humm, ok, rubber isnt a fix for cycle width, it just that it offered a mecanism where cycle width was AS required.
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> global and static variables are created before main() starts being executed, right? (dumb question, I suppose0
03:01 <philippeqc> but it created the mentality of trying to outgrind the one in front of you.
03:01 <philippeqc> (yes I'd say they are)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I think that mentality would have been there, but it'll be harder when there is cycle width
03:01 * Lucifer_arma thinks we need cycle width anyway
03:01 <philippeqc> me too
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> configurable, of course, maybe ultimately defined by a cycle profile that includes model and some physical characteristics
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> what we have now though is "Can I beat that grind?". A better question is "Can I fit in there after I beat that grind?"
03:03 * spidey has beat just about every grind atleast once xD
03:03 <spidey> lucis multiple times :p
03:04 * Lucifer_arma isn't a grinder :)
03:04 * philippeqc think your splitting hair now. But it has created a mentality about grinding better than your opponent, where cycle widht would be "too small to pass, dangerous to attempt or thanks for the opening"
03:04 * Lucifer_arma prefers to use tactical superiority and quick wits rather than good finger-twitching
03:04 <spidey> lol
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> you're probably right, philippeqc :)
03:05 <spidey> if there's a opening i'll take it :p
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you wht I am getting tired of, even though it hasn't happened lately.
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting tired of being told that some kill was luck or lag
03:06 <spidey> ?
03:06 <philippeqc> the difference with grinding is that a more skilled player will probably overgrind what ever you can throw at him, and with cycle width, you can effectivly lock him out. The first case become a race to produce better grinder
03:06 <spidey> yea
03:06 <spidey> everytime a sp member dies,you can bet 70% of the time it's lag :p
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> right, and 29.9% of it is luck
03:06 <spidey> yea
03:07 <philippeqc> humm, yes there is a whining mentality floating around.
03:07 <spidey> .1% it's wd
03:07 <spidey> atleast i give credit where it's due
03:07 <spidey> i mean almost all of them have below a 90 ping
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> I see your point philippeqc, and I'm gonna have to say I can't argue it. Better to bring in cycle width and see how it goes, I think.
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> the thing that irritates me about luck/lag is that it seems like the victim either couldn't believe he died, or couldn't believe you did what you did on purpose
03:08 <philippeqc> I'm just trying to explore what Louven is saying.
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> and for that I'd rather wait for an explanatio of what he means by fundamentals. :)
03:09 <spidey> yea luci
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I can't say we've neglected any, and I can't see how it's an effective use of developer resources to devote all development to that sort of thing
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> if there were only 2 or 3 developers, sure, I could agree with him without needing an explanation. There are a lot of things I'd class fundamental that need to be done.
03:10 <philippeqc> I'm just exploring what he is (might be) saying. Sometimes your biggest opponent turn out to be the one that can help you the most.
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I get that shit in real life, too. :) I hit and killed a bee in the air with a drumstick once upon a time, and the friends that saw it said it was luck.
03:10 <spidey> lmfao
03:10 <spidey> wanna play cvs?
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> I agreed I may not be able to repeat it, it was hard!
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'm working on the sound engine. :)
03:11 <spidey> lol,k
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> trying to get it to a state where I can really fool with it. It's in pretty piss-poor condition right now.
03:11 <spidey> where'd cvs go?
03:11 <spidey> i can't find it on the list
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> renamed to something
03:11 <philippeqc> bugfarm
03:12 <spidey> ah
03:12 <spidey> i see it
03:12 <philippeqc> z-man was looking for alternative names, possibly including test in it... Ever since, mine has been stuck with "test-icules" as a proposal... Nothing I could post on the forum ;)
03:12 <spidey> lol
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> The Test-icle Vestible?
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey makes people say gay things, does that make him a ventriloqueer? <--- worst joke I've ever told
03:14 <spidey> heh
03:14 <spidey> i don't make them!
03:15 <spidey> it's volunterly
03:16 <spidey> yea
03:16 <spidey> lag/slide/luck
03:16 <philippeqc> gay ventriloquuer, that bring a new meaning to "having a hand down the back of the puppet"
03:16 <spidey> those 3
03:16 <philippeqc> ok, back to studying.
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to take slides at face value, I die often enough because of slides
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> and I'll tell someone it was luck when I killed them while sliding crazily
03:17 <spidey> yea here lately i get slides every now and then
03:17 <spidey> but really.....
03:18 <spidey> after hearing them say it everytime :/
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> but if you're watching, you can tell that I'm telling the truth anyway. :) How often do I die just driving long straight lines and then hit a wall?
03:18 <spidey> lol
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> hell, how often do I drive long straight lines to begin with? ;)
03:18 * spidey pleads the 5th
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, when I kill myself doing something stupid, I'll usually say so :)
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> especially if I just killed myself doing the same stupid things the last round, heh
03:19 <spidey> lol
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03:28 <spidey> sp brag to much too :/
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04:11 <Lucifer_arma> if I multiple a float by an int, the resulting data type is int, right?
04:11 * Lucifer_arma feels like asking dumb questions tonight, apparently
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> also, if I dynamic_cast something with virtual methods, and then call the virtual method, the implementation in the subclass still gets called, right?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> none of that "oooooh, let's call the base class instead" garbage, right?
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04:23 <philippeqc> back
04:28 <philippeqc> lucifer: trying to compile svn trunk got me the following:
04:28 <philippeqc> In file included from ../../src/engine/eSoundMixer.h:48,
04:28 <philippeqc> from ../../src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:38:
04:28 <philippeqc> ../../src/engine/sound/sdl_mixer/eChannelSDLMixer.h:39:27: error: base/eChannel.h: No such file or directory
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
04:32 <philippeqc> src/engine/sound/base is an empty directory here
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> can you take file uploads? I can't commit what I've got, it's totally destablize the trunk
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> but that file is untouched
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, wait, can I commit one file by itself?
04:32 * Lucifer_arma seems to think so
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, update and try again
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it should download that file now
04:34 <philippeqc> got the file
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04:51 <philippeqc> brb
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04:55 <philippeqc> back
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> did it build?
05:04 <philippeqc> yes
05:04 <philippeqc> got so many sparks in my face
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> umm, default is still the old sparks :)
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to coerce m4 to let me put color codes in configure.ac?
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06:43 <philippeqc_> test
06:49 <Luke-Jr> wtf? the game icon isn't a resource, nor required to do anything w/ the game
07:42 <wrtlprnft> Binaries will be installed in : ${prefix}/bin
07:42 <wrtlprnft> Static data will be installed in : ${prefix}/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated
07:42 <wrtlprnft> Configuration will be installed in : ${prefix}/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated
07:42 <wrtlprnft> Documentation will be installed in : ${datadir}/doc/games/armagetronad-dedicated
07:42 <wrtlprnft> i bet that's not intended
07:44 <wrtlprnft> it used to replace ${prefix} with the actual prefix
07:48 <Luke-Jr> it shouldn't
07:48 <Luke-Jr> make is supposed to do that
07:49 <Luke-Jr> since prefix can change before then
07:49 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
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08:30 * Luke-Jr throws MCP attack into private/
08:31 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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08:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like gtk_engines_qt has a memory leak :(
08:33 <wrtlprnft> s/_/-/g
08:43 <Luke-Jr> that would explain where my memory goes...
08:43 <Luke-Jr> oh crap
08:43 * Luke-Jr needs to be back awake for work in 5 hrs
08:43 <Luke-Jr> <.<
08:43 <Luke-Jr> g'night!
08:49 <wrtlprnft> night
09:03 <philippeqc_> wrtlprnft: I think OutputIterator set_union( InputIterator1 first1, InputIterator1 last1,
09:03 <philippeqc_> InputIterator2 first2, InputIterator2 last2, OutputIterator result,
09:03 <philippeqc_> Compare comp);
09:03 <philippeqc_> is acting up on me.
09:04 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with it?
09:04 <wrtlprnft> the containers need to be sorted
09:04 <philippeqc_> it is calling my "comp" object, but it seem to disregard the result and do the comparaison itself
09:04 <philippeqc_> they are.
09:05 <philippeqc_> but if I want to do a union of [3] and [4 5 6], it gives me [4 5 6 3]
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09:06 <wrtlprnft> sort again?
09:06 <philippeqc_> so I decided to fool it, and inverted the result of "comp", and it produce the same output
09:06 <philippeqc_> shouldn't union produce a sorted result????
09:06 <wrtlprnft> does it say that anywhere?
09:07 * philippeqc_ check the doc for that, but it would be crazy if it didnt , because a set is SUPPOSED to be sorted at any time
09:24 <philippeqc_> ok, now it even populates in the wrong order!
09:25 <philippeqc_> starting to suspect that set doesnt like to hold shared_ptr<Base> objects
09:26 <philippeqc_> it say that "The set class implements a sorted collection of values. "
09:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, second
09:31 <wrtlprnft> what does operator < do?
09:31 <wrtlprnft> compare the pointers or compare the contents?
09:32 <wrtlprnft> can't you just derive something from shared_ptr that overloads the < operator?
09:32 <wrtlprnft> std::sets don't support anything else but operator<, i think
09:33 <philippeqc_> depends on the type presented.
09:33 <philippeqc_> but I'm using set_union(w,x,y,z,out,compare), and giving my own compare object
09:34 <philippeqc_> but I'm also thinking that "<" is comparing pointers during creation. But that is a second prob
09:34 <wrtlprnft> that is your problem
09:34 <wrtlprnft> (emphasize "is")
09:34 <wrtlprnft> you're creating them one after another, right?
09:34 <wrtlprnft> so, first you have a set of 4,5,6
09:35 <wrtlprnft> so, first you have a set of 3
09:35 <wrtlprnft> then you create another one of 4,5,6
09:35 <wrtlprnft> no, other way...
09:35 <wrtlprnft> anyways, if std::set sorts by operator< it will basically sort by creation time
09:36 <philippeqc_> my prob is
09:36 <philippeqc_> I create [4 5 6]
09:36 <philippeqc_> then I create [3]
09:36 <philippeqc_> then I do a set_union and get [4 5 6 3]
09:36 <philippeqc_> share_ptr overwride operator<
09:36 <philippeqc_> template<class T, class U>
09:36 <philippeqc_> bool operator<(shared_ptr<T> const & a, shared_ptr<U> const & b); // never throws
09:36 <philippeqc_> Returns: an unspecified value such that
09:36 <philippeqc_> * operator< is a strict weak ordering as described in section 25.3 [lib.alg.sorting] of the C++ standard;
09:36 <philippeqc_> * under the equivalence relation defined by operator<, !(a < b) && !(b < a), two shared_ptr instances are equivalent if and only if they share ownership or are both empty
09:37 <philippeqc_> http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/shared_ptr.htm
09:39 <wrtlprnft> yes, but shared_ptr::operator< is a different thing than your comp object
09:40 <wrtlprnft> therefore your set stuff will produce different results than expected
09:40 <philippeqc_> the following is my own object passed to set_union as a comparator. line "bool e = (c < d);" uses the operator< of Base (or the appropriate type)
09:40 <wrtlprnft> actually unpredictable results
09:40 <wrtlprnft> > The elements in the two ranges must have been sorted using the comp function object.
09:41 <wrtlprnft> (c++ annotations)
09:41 <wrtlprnft> and in your case, they weren't.
09:41 <wrtlprnft> they were sorted by something else
09:41 <philippeqc_> no, its unspecified value, so that the oprator< is a strict weak ordering.
09:41 <wrtlprnft> but it's a DIFFERENT ordering than what your set_union() uses
09:42 <philippeqc_> how can I sort them ?
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09:42 <wrtlprnft> you probably can't with sets
09:43 <wrtlprnft> that's why i seid, derive your own class from shared_ptr
09:43 <wrtlprnft> and override the < operator
09:44 <philippeqc_> hummm
09:44 * philippeqc_ wonders if he'll ever finish this bit of code. ;)
09:44 <philippeqc_> ok, will do that.
09:48 <wrtlprnft> g2g, cya
09:50 <philippeqc_> cya
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10:37 <z-man-home> 0.2.8 is available on aabeta! Get it while it's hot!
10:38 <z-man-home> err, 0.2.8.2, of course.
10:39 * MaZuffeR goes to get some ovengloves
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11:02 <MaZuffeR> hi Vanhayes
11:02 <Vanhayes> hwy Maz
11:02 <Vanhayes> Hey*
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11:19 <Joni> yo guys
11:19 <Joni> i need some help
11:20 <Joni> cud sum1 help me plz
11:20 <Vanhayes> with what?
11:20 <Joni> CENTER_MESSAGE
11:20 <Joni> i cnt get it to work
11:21 <Joni> i put this in my everytime.cfg...
11:21 <Joni> CENTER_MESSAGE http://thewingclan.bravehost.com
11:21 <Joni> but it didnt show up in the game
11:22 <Joni> How do i get it to work?
11:22 <guru3> give it some time
11:22 <Joni> wot do u mean?
11:22 <guru3> not everyone is on
11:23 <Joni> oh ok
11:23 <Joni> do u kno how to do it?
11:23 <nemostultae> you could set round_center_message
11:23 <Joni> ok ill try it
11:24 <Vanhayes> Um it works fine
11:24 <Vanhayes> just tried it out and it shows up
11:25 <Joni> what shows up?
11:25 <Joni> r u on my server?
11:26 <Vanhayes> that url
11:26 <Vanhayes> wings server?
11:26 <Joni> yes
11:26 <Joni> thts mine
11:26 <Vanhayes> ya
11:26 <Joni> does it show up?
11:26 <Vanhayes> ya
11:26 <Joni> oh
11:26 <Vanhayes> goes by pretty wuick but it shows up
11:26 <Vanhayes> quick*
11:27 <Joni> is there a way to slow it down
11:27 <Joni> i dobt ther is but..
11:27 <Joni> doubt*
11:27 <Vanhayes> probly, but i don't know how
11:27 <Joni> ok
11:28 <Joni> brb
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11:45 <Joni> yo guys
11:45 <Joni> its me
11:45 <Joni> im bk
11:47 <Joni> how do u use this command PASSWORD ?
11:49 <nemostultae> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Remote_Moderation
11:50 <Joni> thnx m8
11:51 <nemostultae> you can use any command available on the server with /admin
11:51 <Joni> but i dont get what PASSWORD does
11:52 <nemostultae> ADMIN_PASSWORD sets the password for /login
11:52 <nemostultae> ADMIN_PASS*
11:53 <nemostultae> PASSWORD is for something else
11:53 <Joni> wot is password 4 thn?
11:53 <Joni> i kno about admin_pass
11:54 <nemostultae> it is a disabled feature, it doesn't do anything useful currently
11:54 <Joni> ok thnx
11:56 <Vanhayes> what does BIG_BROTHER do? anything?
11:57 <Joni> im not sure lol
11:57 <nemostultae> it sends your OS info, OpenGL info, and if you are running in windowed or fullscreen to the master server
11:57 <Joni> nemo
11:58 <Joni> could i ask u a question
11:58 <Joni> at the start of each round i want a message to be desplayed
11:58 <Joni> how could i do tht?
11:59 <nemostultae> put in everytime.cfg -- say blah blah
11:59 <Joni> no
12:00 <Joni> tht wud make it admin: blah blah
12:00 <Joni> i just want
12:00 <nemostultae> round_console_message
12:00 <Joni> blah blah
12:00 <Joni> round_console_message
12:00 <Joni> could i have 3 messages after another with
12:00 <Joni> round_console_message
12:00 <Joni> ?
12:01 <nemostultae> yes, you can use newlines: round_console_message one line\nanother line
12:01 <nemostultae> the \n creates a newline
12:03 <Joni> would this work?
12:03 <Joni> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE 0x0000FF------------------------------------------------ /n 0x00FF00http://thewingclan.bravehost.com /n 0x0000FF------------------------------------------------
12:03 <Joni> ????
12:03 <nemostultae> \n, not /n
12:03 <Joni> ok
12:04 <Joni> do i need spaces around '\n' or doesnt it matter
12:04 <nemostultae> no, you don't
12:04 <Joni> ok
12:04 <Joni> thnx
12:04 <Joni> ill try tht out
12:06 <Joni> thnx
12:06 <Joni> works perfect
12:06 <Joni> g2g for tea
12:06 <Joni> ill be bk in abit
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12:52 <wrtlprnft> weird guy...
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13:26 <kommerck> hi
13:27 <kommerck> I've got a problem compiling 0.2.8.1 on suse 10.1
13:27 <kommerck> it doesn't run autoreconf, and if I straightly run ./configure and make it complains
13:35 <z-man> It shouldn run autoreconf at all if you don't change configure.ac
13:36 <z-man> Can you paste the first error message you get?
13:36 <kommerck> well I run autoreconf manually, but I have configure.ac
13:36 <z-man> why?
13:36 <kommerck> hold on I try without the autoreconf and paste the error messages
13:38 <kommerck> make: *** No rule to make target `acinclude.m4', needed by `Makefile.in'. Stop.
13:38 <kommerck> that's w/o autoreconf
13:39 <z-man> Hmm, acinclude.m4 should be included, I'll check.
13:43 <z-man> yes, acinclude.m4 is included in the tarball. And there is no make rule to recreate it, because it's all human edited. Did you accidentally delete it?
13:43 <kommerck> actually no
13:44 <kommerck> every time I recompile I clean the builddir
13:44 <kommerck> actually rpm does that for me
13:44 <kommerck> I'm trying to build a package
13:44 <kommerck> oups
13:44 <kommerck> it gets deleted indeed
13:45 <z-man> Perhaps it's not the canonical approach to have it with human edited content? We're all not really autoconf/make/stuff experts here.
13:45 <kommerck> I'm using the suse spec from 0.2.7.1 and the writes decided to remove this file :D
13:45 <z-man> Ah.
13:45 <kommerck> writers*
13:46 <z-man> I can't remember what we did back then with that file.
13:46 <kommerck> and they decided to run autoreconf too
13:47 <kommerck> anyway removing those two lines and make's on the way
13:47 <kommerck> many thanks
13:47 <z-man> Probably because they want all SuSE packages to have configure generated by the same version of autoconf
13:47 <z-man> np ;)
13:47 <kommerck> yeah, and it fails
13:47 <kommerck> because of missing defines
13:48 <z-man> You mean that's a problem now or was a problem back then?
13:48 <kommerck> it's a problem now
13:48 <z-man> Oh.
13:48 <z-man> Which defines are missing?
13:48 <kommerck> I extracted that specfile from the 0.2.7.1 file
13:48 <kommerck> hold on
13:49 <kommerck> AM_BINRELOC and AC_SINCLUDE
13:50 <z-man> Our build system has become much more standard since 0.2.7.1. Probalby a better approach is to take the specs from some different projects?
13:50 <z-man> Both of them are defines in aclocal
13:50 <z-man> err, acinclude
13:51 <z-man> sorry, bbl. Dinner is ready.
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14:26 <philippeqc> hi, is there a changelog for 0.2.8.2?
14:41 <z-man> posted it in the beta testing thread.
14:45 <philippeqc> ok thanks
14:47 * philippeqc feels he should be more carefull of announcements
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16:02 <z-man> philippeqc: ah, no, the post came after your request here :)
16:04 <joda_bot> hi
16:05 <joda_bot> z-man: You talked about moving the common resources (icons, makedist.bat, nsis) into winlibs ... should this be done ?
16:05 <z-man> yes.
16:05 <z-man> I see you updated the code::blocks makedist.bat, so you're probalby best suited for this.
16:09 <joda_bot> z-man: yeah, I already found some minor errors I'm trying to correct
16:09 <joda_bot> z-man: can you update the VC6 project ?
16:09 <joda_bot> z-man: once I've moved the files for codeblocks ?
16:09 <joda_bot> I won't modify the VC6 project yet
16:10 <z-man> I won't get it to work in VC6 :)
16:10 <z-man> But I'm about to port it fully to vc8.
16:10 <z-man> So yes, whatever you do, ignore build_visualc, that'll be my job.
16:10 <joda_bot> fine
16:11 <joda_bot> z-man: did you try to use svn/cvs plugins with the CodeBlocks nightly ?
16:11 <z-man> No, I haven't messed with the plugins and the nightly yet.
16:11 <joda_bot> because I stumbled about the note on the wiki that rc2 does crash with those
16:11 <z-man> Ah, that was with rc2.
16:12 * joda_bot is going to test it, if he finds the plugins ;)
16:12 <z-man> They came with rc2, that's why the note is there :)
16:13 <joda_bot> When will 0.2.8.2 be on sf ?
16:13 * joda_bot has to update www.armagetron.nixda.net's download button then ;)
16:14 <z-man> AABeta will redirect its users to SF once that happens.
16:14 <z-man> It will be sometime tomorrow. Nemo has the mac build ready.
16:14 <joda_bot> does it redirect ?
16:15 <z-man> But I'm waiting for reports that people install 0.2.8.2 and find an aligator in their toilet.
16:15 <z-man> yes, it redirects once you tell it to do so.
16:15 * joda_bot obediantly downloads
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17:17 <wrtlprnft> Uh, why do we link ftgl statically by default?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> what about an option at configure time, the default would be dynamic linking
17:18 <wrtlprnft> for compiling you need the lib anyways, and for distribution you could enable that option
17:21 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i read your post
17:21 <z-man> Ah, no, we do link dynamically by default.
17:21 <z-man> It's just the autopackage.
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ok, i just read the CIA logs
17:21 <z-man> :)
17:22 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, I'll remove that HUD menu
17:22 <z-man> good.
17:22 <wrtlprnft> any way to force the cockpit to be linked without that stupid function?
17:22 <z-man> Oh, what does the thing on top of the screen in the middle do?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> framerate. It's only supposed to be there in incam
17:23 <z-man> The cockpit is in tron/, right?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> it's in tron/cockpit
17:23 <wrtlprnft> currently in gHud.cpp:
17:23 <wrtlprnft> void stupid_unnnecessary_function_that_makes_the_linker_happy() {
17:23 <wrtlprnft> cCockpit::GetCockpit()->ProcessCockpit();
17:23 <wrtlprnft> }
17:24 <wrtlprnft> where cCockpit is defined in tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp, and it includes everything else
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17:24 <Joni> hey guys
17:24 <z-man> move the .cpp file in the makefile from libtron_a_SOURCES to armagetronad_main_SOURCES
17:24 <wrtlprnft> and gHud is referenced from gMenus IIRC, but if i remove those links the cockpit disappears in a black hole
17:25 <z-man> Yeah, that's the curse of libraries.
17:25 <Joni> how do i make it so the rubber on my server doesnt deplete as fast?
17:25 <Joni> how do i make it so the rubber on my server doesnt deplete as fast?
17:26 <z-man> You already asked the opposite question on the forum, or one of your clanamtes did.
17:26 <z-man> and please don't spam, we're not blind.
17:26 <Joni> soz
17:26 <Joni> i dint mean to do it twice
17:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man: now I'm interested too :P
17:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't see a setting for the depletion rate
17:27 <z-man> CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME :)
17:27 <z-man> it defaults to 10, making it lower makes the rubber deplete faster, higher makes it deplete slower.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> i meant the opposite
17:27 <Joni> ok
17:27 <Joni> ok thnx
17:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: the opposite of what?
17:28 <z-man> Joni: np
17:28 <wrtlprnft> The rate it fills up when it's used
17:28 <Joni> ok
17:28 <z-man> ah that, no, that is fixed.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> i forgot rubber is the other way than the brakes
17:28 <wrtlprnft> ok, just curious ;)
17:28 <z-man> yeah, it's another curse :)
17:28 <Joni> cant u make it refill quiker thn?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> z-man: actually, thinking about it, you don't need to change it
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Joni: z-man just explained that
17:29 <z-man> joni: hng, reread what I said :)
17:29 <Joni> oh
17:29 <Joni> lol
17:29 <Joni> soz
17:29 <joda_bot> Joni: deutsch ?
17:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man: if you want the rubber to last longer you set cycle_rubber to something bigger :P
17:29 <z-man> correct :)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> it's not like brakes, where the maximum is fixed at 1
17:30 <wrtlprnft> the main source is gFloor.cpp?
17:30 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:30 <z-man> Yeah, had I forseen that the values would be displayed in a HUD sometime, I'd have made rubber go from 0 to 1 too, and start at 1.
17:31 <z-man> wrtlprnft: gFloor.cpp has the same problem as the HUD :) Nobody explicitly links to it.
17:31 <z-man> And the real main program doesn't have to be listed, because it contains main().
17:31 <wrtlprnft> oh, right
17:32 <Joni> o english
17:32 <wrtlprnft> gHud.* will be history then :P
17:32 <z-man> you're the boss there.
17:33 * z-man prepares for bedtime
17:33 <wrtlprnft> I should at least keep a subby_ comment somewhere...
17:34 <wrtlprnft> night z-man
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17:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, do i need to get rid of the language strings, or is there a way to do that automatically?
17:37 <z-man> There is no way yet for that. We should write a scanner some time, but it's all right to leave the strings alive for now.
17:37 <z-man> At least, if you remove them in english_base.txt, they'll be marked as obsolete in the other files.
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17:38 <Joni> hi
17:39 <Joni> i have another question 4 u guys
17:39 <Joni> i have a file called everytime.cfg
17:39 <Joni> this is what is in it
17:39 <Joni> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE ---------------------------------\nhttp://thewingclan.bravehost.com\n---------------------------------
17:39 <Joni> SAY Swearing And Bots Are Disallowed Violaters Will Be Banned
17:40 <Joni> but the problem is...
17:40 <Joni> it doesnt turn out how i want it to
17:40 <wrtlprnft> no need to put ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE into everytime.cvf
17:40 <wrtlprnft> *cfg
17:41 <wrtlprnft> how does it turn out then?
17:41 <Joni> chck out my server
17:41 <wrtlprnft> they might come in the wrong order at random
17:41 <Joni> ~]~
17:41 <Joni> oops
17:41 <Joni> ~[Wing]~
17:41 <Joni> yes
17:41 <Joni> they do
17:42 <Joni> i want the website to come before the admin writing
17:42 <Joni> how do i fix this problem?
17:42 <wrtlprnft> then fake the admin
17:42 <Joni> wot ya mean?
17:42 <nemostultae> change round_console_message to console
17:43 <Joni> yes but the site comes on as the game is sayin 3 2 1 go
17:43 <nemostultae> so it does a console message.
17:43 <Joni> etc
17:43 <wrtlprnft> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE <insertnormaltexthere>
17:43 <wrtlprnft> 0xff0000Admin0xffff88: <insertadmintexthere>
17:43 <wrtlprnft> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE <insertnormaltexthere>\\n0xff0000Admin0xffff88: <insertadmintexthere>
17:43 <wrtlprnft> grr
17:43 <nemostultae> console_message*
17:43 <wrtlprnft> second one, but with just one backslash
17:43 <wrtlprnft> and there's no need for it to be in everytime.cfg
17:44 <nemostultae> do a console_message, and then a say.
17:44 <wrtlprnft> it might still come in the wrong order
17:44 <wrtlprnft> i have that on my race server, it has 4 SAY commands and they come in an apparently random order
17:44 <Joni> i wont it to be on the lines of the xzl server
17:44 <Joni> that where i got my idea
17:45 <Joni> off start of xzl
17:45 <wrtlprnft> I just posted the command above...
17:45 <Joni> does any1 know who owns the xzl server?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo might know, but he is leaving...
17:46 <Joni> leavin wher?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4011
17:47 <Joni> oh
17:47 <Joni> how cum hes on chat?
17:47 <wrtlprnft> he said he would leave tonight
17:48 <Joni> omg?
17:48 <Joni> lol
17:48 <Joni> i just missed
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that makes the SQUAT one member shorter
17:49 <Joni> SQUAT?
17:49 <Joni> wots tht?
17:49 <wrtlprnft> SQUAT: QUality Assurance Team
17:49 <wrtlprnft> recursive acronym
17:49 <Joni> oh
17:50 <Joni> u kno the ladder
17:50 <Joni> how do i access my servers ladder?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> somewhere in your var dir
17:51 <wrtlprnft> sar/ladder.txt
17:51 <wrtlprnft> s/sar/var
17:52 <Joni> im runnin XP
17:52 <joda_bot> Joni: you need a webserver on the same server to display it online (and then you can create symbolic link form a web directory to the ladder.txt)
17:53 <wrtlprnft> Joni: no idea where it might be, just search for a file named ladder.txt?
17:53 * wrtlprnft mumbles about windows XP not being a server OS
17:53 <Joni> lol
17:54 <joda_bot> Usually in the installation directory if you use a dedicated server
17:54 <joda_bot> c:\program files\armagetronad dedicated\var\
17:55 <joda_bot> for the usual client's "server":
17:55 <joda_bot> c:\program files\armagetronad\var\
17:55 <joda_bot> and you might also check:
17:55 <joda_bot> c:\document and settings\[username]\Application Data\Armagetron\var
17:57 <Joni> well it is a dedicated server
17:58 <Joni> c:\program files\armagetronad dedicated\var\
17:58 <Joni> but i cnt find it in
17:58 <Joni> ^^
18:00 <wrtlprnft> uh, anyone an idea where you can define defaults for input keys?
18:00 <joda_bot> then check the document and settings folder
18:00 <Joni> aha found it
18:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: no idea
18:01 <Joni> nop
18:01 <Joni> duno about much me lol
18:02 <wrtlprnft> ah, there we go
18:03 <wrtlprnft> config/default.cfg
18:03 <Joni> how do i host these on the internet?
18:04 <Joni> host do i host the ladder?
18:04 <joda_bot> Joni: you need a web server
18:05 <joda_bot> Joni: but that is beyond my guidance for tonight
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18:05 <Joni> ill show u this post i found
18:05 <Joni> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3254
18:06 <Joni> look at the top 1
18:06 <joda_bot> Joni: basically you have to find a way to either run a web server on your computer or just upload at regular times
18:06 <Joni> how do i do this?
18:06 <joda_bot> You have to install a lot of software
18:06 <joda_bot> and open ports in your firewall or redirect your routers port to your computer
18:07 <joda_bot> except if you have a windows pc at a server farm
18:07 <Joni> wrtlprnft: u posted on this topic
18:07 <joda_bot> or the university
18:07 <Joni> no
18:07 <joda_bot> Joni: you need php, and apache
18:07 <Joni> at home
18:07 <joda_bot> Joni: your server will suffer from bandwidth problems probably
18:07 <joda_bot> how much upstream do you have ?
18:07 <Joni> duno
18:08 <joda_bot> Joni: I adwise you to be happy to be able to host a small server for friends
18:09 <Joni> its 4 a clan
18:09 <Joni> is there any wer i can get my server hosted?
18:09 <joda_bot> but you a web server for a ladder does only make sense for a dedicated server which runs at a server farm
18:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yes?
18:09 <joda_bot> Joni: many sites, but they all cost money
18:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: did not say anything to you (I guess)
18:10 <Joni> is ther any cheapish 1s?
18:10 <Joni> it was me
18:11 <wrtlprnft> oh, sorry
18:11 <Joni> wrtlprnft: i said u posted on this topic
18:11 <Joni> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3254
18:11 <wrtlprnft> mixed you two up
18:11 <Joni> ok lol
18:11 <wrtlprnft> both start with jo
18:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but i am hosting a webserver
18:12 <wrtlprnft> maybe not on a great connection, but its running on a dedicated linux box
18:12 <Joni> i just wondered if i could get a stats thing workin on this PHPBB site i found
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> the xzl server, last I heard, was hosted by the same people hosting the mbc server
18:13 <Joni> who owns tht?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> Antix.
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> distortgaming ?
18:13 <Joni> ok
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> it might even physically be on the same machine as the mbc server, I think they've only got the one dedicated server
18:14 <wrtlprnft> but antix is not the admin of the arma servers
18:14 <Joni> http://www.forumer.com/
18:14 <wrtlprnft> it is on the same machine
18:14 <joda_bot> #message z-man* default keybinding for screenshots is broken on w2k (reassigned screenshot with "print screen" is labeld "sys_req")
18:14 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
18:14 <Joni> couldnt i host my stats on there
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> antix is one of the owners of distortgaming :)
18:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: printscreen IS sysreq
18:14 <wrtlprnft> same key
18:14 <wrtlprnft> just on modern keyboards it's not labelled anymore
18:15 <joda_bot> well, then the default.cfg does not work
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see that default changed anyway
18:15 <wrtlprnft> why?
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> print screen is a pain to hit on my laptop, and there is no f13 on it either
18:15 * wrtlprnft has it bound to f2
18:15 <joda_bot> because screenshots are only taken once the print screen "entry" after reassigning "sys-req"
18:15 <wrtlprnft> and you can always change it
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> so whenever I want to screenshot some neato new code I've written, I have to rebind screenshot, heh
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> on my regular sysinstalled config I have it bound to f2, it's only when I run from my build directory that I have to deal with it :)
18:16 <joda_bot> I'd rather see "fullscreen toggle" moved away from f ;)
18:16 <wrtlprnft> yes, definitely
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> but I assume others are in similar situations with their print screen keys
18:16 <wrtlprnft> my printscreen key is fine
18:17 <wrtlprnft> binding it to f2 was more of an accident and i got used to it
18:17 <wrtlprnft> printscreen is a chat key now
18:17 <Joni> u kno my server stats hosting
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop differentiates print screen and sys req
18:18 <Joni> could this be any good?
18:18 <Joni> http://www.forumer.com/
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ...
18:18 <wrtlprnft> stop witing red
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> bold and red isn't any good
18:18 <Joni> soz lol
18:18 <Self_Destructo> heh, i didn't even know that was possible
18:18 <Joni> destructo!!!!!!
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> you should've been here when Cristi was here, heh
18:18 <Joni> who owns xzl clan server
18:19 <wrtlprnft> IT ANNOYS PEOPLE, AS WELL AS CAPS, TPYOS, AND EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!!!!!
18:19 <Joni> ????
18:19 <Self_Destructo> well guys, this is my last goodbye
18:19 <Joni> bye
18:19 <wrtlprnft> cya :(
18:19 <wrtlprnft> have luck
18:19 <Self_Destructo> i hope so :)
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18:20 <Lucifer_arma> bye
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> damn, all I did was go get more tea
18:20 * wrtlprnft waves goodbye
18:20 <Joni> wrtlprnft: could that site provide me with a server for my server stats?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> I don't think so
18:21 <Joni> how come?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that would require you to have code changes
18:22 <Joni> like what?
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18:25 <wrtlprnft> like, adding the code to show the score table
18:25 <Joni> would that be hard?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> well, the code is already posted, contact whoever posted it
18:27 <wrtlprnft> but i don't think that site allows you to change the forum code
18:28 <Joni> ok
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ok, wave goodbye to gHud.* and the subby_ variables
18:29 <n54> *waves* :)
18:33 * Lucifer_arma waves gladly
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> although I'd like to retain a subby_something just for nostalgia :)
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18:36 <n54> how about an official "hall of codemonkeys" page as a tounge-in-cheek but sincere list of everyone who has touched the code? or something else than codemonkeys if that sounds wrong, sinply "hall of coders"?
18:36 <wrtlprnft> isn't that the purpose of the AUTHORS file?
18:36 <n54> simply*
18:37 <n54> dunno, is the authors file historical?
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18:37 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/61490
18:38 <n54> *clicks*
18:39 <n54> ah ok :)
18:40 * wrtlprnft wonders how many users actually read that
18:40 <MaZuffeR> i did :)
18:41 <n54> read one ages ago
18:42 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:42 <wrtlprnft> looks like i didn't read it enough, else i'd know yarrt was joda_bot
18:46 <n54> :)
18:47 <MaZuffeR> i might actually have seen subby a couple months ago, someone named hqqns played fortress and it certainly wasn't a noob
18:48 <n54> I haven't checked swiftparrot lately but that's _his_ hangout :)
18:48 <n54> so go there for subby goodness ^^
18:56 <joda_bot> hqqns is subby up sie down
18:56 <joda_bot> side
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> codemonkeys = past developers, code junkies = present developers :)
18:57 <MaZuffeR> it's in subbanese actually
18:57 <MaZuffeR> http://randypalmer.com/tron/#lang
18:57 <n54> hehe luci
18:58 <joda_bot> :)
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hqqns is always subby, afaik, and he doesn't talk much
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19:05 <Ringwraith`> moo.
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> would anybody like to meet my pet skeleton?
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> my neighbors think having an undead pet is weird, but my landlord says its ok as long as it's not a living pet, which the lease expressly forbids.
19:11 <n54> lol
19:12 <n54> sure, what is its name? :)
19:13 <Ringwraith`> aww how cute
19:13 <Ringwraith`> you have psychopaths living next door
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19:15 <wrtlprnft> #canada
19:15 <armabot> 4
19:15 <Vanhayes> #canada
19:15 <armabot> 4
19:16 <Vanhayes> heh
19:19 <wrtlprnft> http://randypalmer.com/tron/#list
19:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:25 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess the nasalization guy just gave us green ligt for the font resource thing
19:27 <n54> " You can beat node easily " ^^
19:28 <n54> cool what did he say?
19:30 <n54> " you find yourself grinding your car against the curb in a vain attempt to gain speed." is my favourite :)
19:31 <wrtlprnft> mine too
19:32 <wrtlprnft> noone can beat n54 easily since he's never on the grid :(
19:32 <n54> that will change in the not too distant future :) you'll whop my ass
19:33 <wrtlprnft> we'll see
19:33 <wrtlprnft> but i hope it will change :)
19:33 <n54> :)
19:33 <n54> the idea of fortress intrigues me so I'll orbaly try to play that after getting some of the rust off
19:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Any idea where @progtitle@ is defined under linux ?
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20:00 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: it's determined in configure
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20:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: do you the spot it is applied ?
20:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: because when compiling with code blocks it somehow does not define @progtitle@
20:06 <joda_bot> and I'm not sure where or what I have to do to fix it
20:08 * wrtlprnft has no clue
20:10 <Ringwraith`> nasalization
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:10 <Ringwraith`> u have big nasals
20:11 <Ringwraith`> i rather
20:11 <wrtlprnft> it's a font i'm planning to make available for arma
20:11 <n54> that reminds me what was the guys reply wrtlprnft? you said it was a go-ahead?
20:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah, although it looks a bit like a template answer
20:15 <n54> ok
20:18 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: does configure replace the entry @progtitle@ in languages.txt ?
20:18 * wrtlprnft has no clue
20:18 <wrtlprnft> where are instant chat keys for irssi?
20:19 <joda_bot> irssi ?
20:19 <wrtlprnft> that /me has no clue would have to be one of them
20:19 <wrtlprnft> my irc client
20:19 <joda_bot> ah
20:19 <joda_bot> gaim has none AFAIK ;)
20:19 <joda_bot> makes my life easy
20:22 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know an easy way to convert utf-16 to utf-8 and vice versa?
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20:24 <Ringwraith`> humping a goat while doing complex multiplication
20:25 <wrtlprnft> operation timed out?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> weird error
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20:32 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: yes
20:34 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: oh... really stupid, how am I to do that for windows
20:34 <joda_bot> guess I'll just comment out the lines loading it, and change the default from Armagetron to Armagetron Advanced
20:36 * joda_bot wonders why the app name can be customized ;)
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: it would be awfully nice if the autotools stuff can be used for windows too, but that's probably just a pipe dream of mine :)
20:44 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know why the app name can be customized, but wants it to remain so and get better so people can use it as an engine for other games.
20:44 <wrtlprnft> aren't the autotools just bash scripts?
20:44 <wrtlprnft> go cygwin!
20:50 <n54> actually not cygwin so much as mingw
20:50 <n54> want the result to be native after all ^^
20:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: might be that works ... but we should not use cygwin to build (at least not the compiler ... n54 got it right :-))
20:54 * wrtlprnft was kidding with cygwin
21:03 <Ringwraith`> socket to me
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21:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can build with cygwin and get a native result
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> just don't link to libcygwin and you're fine. :)
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means use native windows calls instead. Then you use the link libraries provided by mingw and link against them, use their headers, etc.
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> we should be able to pull it off, if we really wanted.
21:30 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciAteAPerson
21:30 -!- LuciAteAPerson is now known as Lucifer_arma
21:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't change my name for dinner, and wanted to say I ate dinner :)
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, to build with cygwin and not have to link to libcygwin, you just have to use the CYGWIN define that cygwin defines in your code
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's not terribly difficult, most places that have current win32 ifdefs just need cygwin added.
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> there will be a few places where some extra effort may be needed, like commandline processing, which is both unlike windows and unlike linux
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> and, umm, oh yeah, the binary you end up with is always native. The only difference is does it use the posix layer provided by libcygwin or not.
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage to supporting cygwin is we can have windows automation using the same bash scripts we use for linux, if we had those.
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, supporting cygwin is probably as complicated as supporting cross-compiling from linux to build windows binaries, and we'd be better off doing that for automation,
21:35 <Ringwraith`> Qt
21:35 <Ringwraith`> Qt!
21:35 <Ringwraith`> ;p
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> because then we could automate all the linux builds at the same time
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> have the same machine do it, you know.
21:37 <wrtlprnft> what about that dotnet/mono stuff? you could have the same binary on windows and linux
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> we could just rewrite in java, too.
21:37 <n54> *shivers*
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't jump on the .NET bandwagon. :)
21:37 <n54> me neither
21:37 * Lucifer_arma doesn't trust Microsoft to not go out of its way to make things hard for mono
21:37 <wrtlprnft> that was as much of a joke as cygwin#
21:38 <n54> we take you too seriously it seems ^^
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh, cygwin is a real possibility, though. :)
21:38 <n54> (J/k) :)
21:38 <n54> I would like to try mingw actually but well
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> tell Luke-Jr to do cygwin :)
21:38 * n54 isn't too fond of cygwin, if you want *nix then install it I say
21:39 * Lucifer_arma can't live without cygwin when he's stuck in windows, which isn't very often
21:39 <n54> yeah I can see how it fits a purpose if one is forced to use windows against ones wishes and such
21:40 * wrtlprnft doesn't bother with cygwin
21:40 <wrtlprnft> ssh connection home is better
21:41 <Ringwraith`> i like having less rather than a damned scroll buffer in which you cant scroll back up
21:41 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> ssh connection home doesn't give me the tools to work directly on the machine that cygwin does
21:42 <wrtlprnft> well, why should i work on that machine if i can work on my machine at home?
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> cygwin is also really useful for porting posix programs to windows because it works very well. Not perfectly, of course, but well enough.
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: depends what you're using the machine for. When I got this laptop, it had windows on it, and linux didn't go on smoothly and I didn't have time to deal with it
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> so I ran windows
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> which meant I was working, writing papers, etc, all in windows
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> which also meant that I needed a commandline from time to time to do work-related stuff.
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> ssh into my other machine wouldn't give me that. :) cygwin would.
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> of course, when that semester ended, first thing I did was invest the time to get linux on here. :)
21:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure, if you're that desperate
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> it makes windows livable for a time, that's all.
21:44 <wrtlprnft> there's always linux in vmware or similar, though
21:45 * Lucifer_arma notes that vmware is quite expensive and expires if you don't give them money
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> and my email about student discounts was ignored even though their website tells you to ask for them.
21:46 <wrtlprnft> there's a vmware player
21:46 <wrtlprnft> wich means you can use premade configurations
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, let's see. Setup xampp in about 10 seconds, install mambo and friends in about 5 minutes, and start working.
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> or, take <some unknown amount of time> to setup a vmware configuration that's probably better
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, I have <this much time> already allocated for work, school, family, etc. :)
21:48 <Ringwraith`> how do you install your friends?
21:48 * Lucifer_arma wishes he lived in a world where he didn't have to make decisions he didn't like, but sadly, he does not live in that world.
21:48 <Ringwraith`> thats a cool feature
21:48 <n54> hehe
21:48 <wrtlprnft> the vmware disk you can later copy on a real partition
21:49 <wrtlprnft> which means you can fix the driver stuff and continue where you left
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to get colors printed to the terminal with cat?
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> and in a way that m4 doesn't choke when it processes the file?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> you mean, remove them?
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, anybody know of an autoconf project that does it?
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> know, show colors.
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> I want to change our table to output red x's for stuff that's turned off and green O's for stuff that's turned on. :)
21:52 <n54> won't cat show it if it's in the file?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ls --color > asdf ~
21:52 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ cat asdf ~
21:52 <n54> otherwise.... script?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> that displays colors for me
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> the stuff you do to set colors int he prompt causes m4 to choke when it processes the file
21:53 <wrtlprnft> ah, now i get it
21:53 * wrtlprnft has no clue
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> \[\033[0;35m\]\u@\h\[\033[1;34m\]: \w\[\033[0m\]$ <--- causes m4 to choke when it processes configure.ac
21:54 <n54> the prompt colorisation stuff is in whatever shell you use so if that's just "in a file" I can see how that would make trouble yes
21:54 <wrtlprnft> more \\?
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> not enough escaping?
21:55 <wrtlprnft> just guessing
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> still chokes
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> green="\\[\\033[0;35m\\]"
21:57 <n54> too many \'s
21:57 <n54> but are you trying to do that in the file itself?
21:57 <n54> with the table you want cat to display?
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, because it's supposed to be able to fail gracefully in a shell that doesn't support it
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're supposed to use heredocs instead of big echo blocks, and I'll be converting our table to heredoc instead
21:58 <wrtlprnft> what does it have to do with the shell?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> *confused*
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ummm
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> can't use bash-style includes because they're not supported
21:59 <n54> I've tried to say that :)
21:59 <wrtlprnft> I thought colors were done by the terminal
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> so I couldn't just move the function into another file that m4 doesn't process
22:00 <Ringwraith`> no ansi codes usually
22:01 <Ringwraith`> just vi it and tell it to use the shell
22:02 <Ringwraith`> you could i think cat a .ans file from the old bbs days
22:02 <Ringwraith`> and it should be colorized in the term
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22:05 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, these are ansi codes. That's not a problem, though. The problem is that m4 thinks it's hitting EOF and chokes
22:07 <wrtlprnft> is there any way to get the shell to insert them?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, we could have our own script that handles the echo and therefore doesn't get processed by m4
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> call it as a command. Then the question is how do I get configure to recognize the script?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I have an idea actually. :)
22:10 -!- fcukfcuk [n=mathias@194.105.96.176.static.cablesurf.de] has joined #armagetron
22:10 <fcukfcuk> fuck
22:10 <fcukfcuk> shit
22:10 <fcukfcuk> ass
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22:10 <Lucifer_arma> make a table.in file that contains the table to print and then just have it processed with the output
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22:11 <Lucifer_arma> n=mathias@194.105.96.176.static.cablesurf.de <--- not fooled, heh
22:11 <n54> what was all this for btw?
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> arma's configure script
22:11 <n54> ok
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some other ideas to try, but I'd rather finish restructuring the sound stuff first
22:13 * Lucifer_arma just wanted to brighten up configure a bit, because it's such a boring script
22:14 <wrtlprnft> uh, that was for the irc stats
22:15 <n54> ?
22:15 <n54> teh fcukfcuk thing?
22:15 <n54> the*
22:16 <wrtlprnft> AfterDeath has quite a potty mouth. 51.2% words were foul language.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> ThePinkF1oyd also makes sailors blush, 47.0% of the time.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> that should make 100%
22:16 <wrtlprnft> and i was testing the newly installed irssi on my server
22:17 <n54> ok
22:17 <wrtlprnft> btw you can't call yourself fuck on freenode
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it says erroneus nick
22:18 <wrtlprnft> or however you spell that
22:20 <spidey> c'mon luci :p
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> you try being wingman to a wuss that has to leave zigzags for you to grind
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> you try being wingman to a wuss that has to leave zigzags for you to grind <-- spidey
22:22 <spidey> lol
22:26 <spidey> luci!!!!!!!!!1
22:27 <wrtlprnft> doesn't arma have a build-in chat feature?
22:27 <spidey> no
22:30 * n54 slept 15 hours yesterday and is tired again :| (now, 6 hours later)
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22:56 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: do you get on-screen display that hurts your fps?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: do you get on-screen display that hurts your fps? :)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, some gauges are expensive
22:57 <wrtlprnft> the time-to-impact gauge eats like 5fps for me, but it's f*** useful
22:57 <wrtlprnft> the map is expensive too, and large tables
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> there's a time-to-impact gauge?
22:57 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:58 * Lucifer_arma thinks he needs to look at the tutorial again
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> yes, map is expensive, but it can probably do with some optimization anyway
22:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial#Possible_contents_for_data_sources
22:59 <wrtlprnft> reload, just corrected a mistake
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I think I saw the mistake you just corrected :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> and there are some more callbacks, I see.
23:01 * Lucifer_arma really likes this callback thing, it was so easy to add the song title callback
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> whatever other gripes I may have, that is :)
23:02 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see widget templates, I'm going to have to screw with that
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> I've become quite attached to the bar gauges I use
23:02 <wrtlprnft> the heck?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> why did the wiki stop interpreting &asdf; entities?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> did it ever?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> yes it did when i wrote that
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> could be something to do with tank moving it to his server
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> when you wrote that it was still on my server, wasn't it?
23:03 * wrtlprnft groans and digs out something to copy and paste from
23:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm, it was a typo
23:04 <wrtlprnft> &ldquoT; instead of “
23:05 <wrtlprnft> but I'm still not finished with callbacks, it should be easier
23:05 <wrtlprnft> like, currently you have to add the thing in 3 places
23:10 <wrtlprnft> have a look at my cockpit for a working example :)
23:13 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:13 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:20 <spidey> lucifer
23:20 <spidey> i don't get a onscreen display,i play games on the windows computer and everything else on the linux(this one)
23:20 <spidey> :p
23:22 <spidey> and pretty soon my fps are gonna go up alot , i'm getting a powercolor radeon 9250 256mb 128-bit gfx card for the windows box :)
23:22 <spidey> compared to the onboard 64mb gfx i got
23:22 <spidey> which the onboard gives me 59fps
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok. I get onscreen display from konversation that really kills my fps
23:41 <spidey> hmm
23:41 <spidey> can't say the windows x-chat before i started using this box ever killed my fps from a pop-up when someone said my name
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01:07 <Lucifer_arma> re tard
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01:21 <Joni> yo guys
01:33 <spidey> lol @ re tard
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01:57 <spidey> hahaha
01:57 <spidey> :)
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> damn server restarted
01:57 <spidey> cmoe back
02:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> *yawn*
02:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning
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02:39 <WingDark> or8 guyd
02:39 <WingDark> guys*
02:41 <WingDark> im trying to use two commands in my autoexec.cfg and its says commands unknown in my dedicated server window
02:41 <WingDark> these are the commands
02:41 <WingDark> CYCLE_WALLS_STAY_UP_DELAY 0
02:41 <WingDark> CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH 1600
02:41 <WingDark> why dont they work?
02:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Ringwraith`: Just a warning, but Qt does NOT work with Cygwin involved. ; Cygwin should handle most *nix apps w/o special code, but I won't do it. ; Using Cygwin to port is like using WINE to port-- except that Cygwin's API is standardized. ;)
02:43 <Luke-Jr> cross-compiling to a MingW target is likely easier than a Cygwin target, too
02:44 <Luke-Jr> spidey: wtf? why bother with a 9250 for Windoze?
02:45 <WingDark> are you talking to me
02:45 <WingDark> ?
02:50 <WingDark> hello?
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02:55 <spidey> why not?
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03:15 <Lucifer_arma> je suis american
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> at this rate, I might actually speak french in a couple of years
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04:40 <WingDark> or8 yoons!
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04:52 <spidey> i had to kill 2 brown recluse and this weird spider just to piss :/
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> you used a suitable weapon and not your penis, I take it?
05:02 <spidey> hahah
05:02 <spidey> i used my grandmas big ass hand held mirror thingy
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05:08 <kommerck> hey
05:08 <kommerck> where does armagetron looks for its config files when I install it to /usr and with --disable-games?
05:12 <kommerck> the install script put them to /etc/armagetronad but the binary still doesn't find the configfiles
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: Check the trunk now, just committed a fix. The buffer will default to 256 samples in size, and you can adjust it with SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE, which is a float, multiplied by 512
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> kommerck: that may be a bug. Hmmmm.............
05:13 * Lucifer_arma wonders if games is hardcoded in the path in the game
05:15 <kommerck> I'll try with -disable-sysinstall and then call it manually
05:20 * spidey is watching boondock saints
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05:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: tried the sparks with hardware acceleration, the are very neat. But have a look at them with software rendering. The best description would be "biking in a cloud of moscitos with your mouth open".
05:25 <philippeqc> and after that, they keep on flying around, raising high in the sky.
05:25 <philippeqc> spidey: Can we get the rope?
05:27 <spidey> ?
05:28 <philippeqc> spidey: it comes later in the film.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh. they are highly experimental right now. :)
05:29 <spidey> philippeqc, ah
05:34 <kommerck> still no go.....
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> did you try --disable-binreloc?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to sleep now, sorry
05:42 * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
05:48 <kommerck> even more errors
05:56 <kommerck> oO
05:56 <kommerck> it looked in %_prefix/share/config
06:00 <spidey> "you and your fuckin rope"
06:00 <spidey> xD
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06:28 <Luke-Jr> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp?r1=4053&r2=4179
06:28 <Luke-Jr> why is that code duplicated?
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06:39 <WingDark> or8 guys
06:44 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
06:48 <WingDark> wot?
06:48 <Luke-Jr> English
06:48 <WingDark> what are you on about?
06:48 <Luke-Jr> "or8" makes no sense
06:49 <Luke-Jr> sh: or8: command not found
06:50 <WingDark> ok
06:50 <WingDark> sorry about that
06:50 <WingDark> i meant allright
06:50 <WingDark> sorry
06:50 <WingDark> lol
06:50 <WingDark> how do i make my own map for my server?
06:51 <WingDark> does anyone have any idea?
06:51 <Luke-Jr> all right is two words
06:51 <Luke-Jr> yes
06:51 <WingDark> ok
06:51 <Luke-Jr> rtfw
06:52 <WingDark> sorry again
06:52 <WingDark> rtfw??
06:52 <WingDark> what does that mean?
06:52 <Luke-Jr> read the fscking wiki
06:52 <Luke-Jr> first, you write the map file
06:52 <Luke-Jr> it's XML, so similar to webpages
06:53 <WingDark> thats the bit i didnt kno
06:53 <Luke-Jr> then you pick a category, name, and version for it
06:53 <WingDark> how to write it
06:53 <Luke-Jr> so the resource tag would be <Resource Author="WingDark" Category="..." Name="..." Version="0.0.1">
06:53 <Luke-Jr> the wiki has detailed info on the format
06:54 <Luke-Jr> then, you get an account on the resource repository by asking me
06:54 <Luke-Jr> and finally, you can then use the web interface to upload your new map
06:54 <WingDark> ok
06:54 <Luke-Jr> and then set MAP_FILE to WingDark/Category/Name-Version.aamap.xml
06:54 <WingDark> so i have to make it first
06:54 <Luke-Jr> yes
06:55 <WingDark> ok
06:55 <Luke-Jr> there are plenty of example maps you can look at http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/
06:56 <WingDark> thanks
06:59 <WingDark> is the only way to make them by hand?
06:59 <Luke-Jr> pretty much, for now
06:59 <WingDark> isnt their any programs to preview them?
06:59 <Luke-Jr> personally, I use KPaint to design it ;)
06:59 <Luke-Jr> yes
07:00 <WingDark> KPaint?
07:00 <Luke-Jr> nemo has a webapp that draws maps as pictures
07:00 <WingDark> is that good?
07:00 <Luke-Jr> KPaint is like MS Paint
07:00 <Luke-Jr> you draw pictures and stuff
07:00 <Luke-Jr> anyway, I use the line tool
07:00 <WingDark> how do u draw them on paint?
07:00 <Luke-Jr> and when I'm done, I move my mouse over the points, and copy the coordinates approx
07:01 <WingDark> oh i get u
07:01 <WingDark> lol
07:01 <Luke-Jr> well, actually I do the last step a bit different
07:01 <Luke-Jr> I pretend I'm driving the walls
07:01 <WingDark> oh
07:01 <Luke-Jr> and write a program that makes the map
07:01 <Luke-Jr> by driving it
07:01 <WingDark> ok
07:01 <WingDark> say i was going to write a race server
07:02 <Luke-Jr> I know some people have scripts
07:02 <WingDark> how would i put them walls in the middle on?
07:02 <Luke-Jr> that automatically make maze maps
07:02 <WingDark> who?
07:02 <Luke-Jr> dunno who
07:02 <Luke-Jr> maybe wrtlprnft
07:02 <WingDark> wrtlprmfl: do you?
07:05 <WingDark> no answer lol
07:09 <Luke-Jr> note you might need a real OS (read: not windows trash) to use it
07:09 <WingDark> thanks
07:09 <WingDark> lol
07:09 <WingDark> its not my fault i use windows
07:10 <WingDark> what are they ------------> xdir="0" ydir="1"
07:10 <WingDark> ?
07:10 <Luke-Jr> spawn direction
07:10 <Luke-Jr> obsolete spec tho
07:10 <Luke-Jr> it should be degrees="90" or such
07:10 <WingDark> eh?
07:11 <Luke-Jr> tho xdir/ydir have some advanced use cases still
07:11 <Luke-Jr> which way the cycle spawns facing
07:11 <WingDark> so its degrees?
07:11 <WingDark> x direction
07:11 <WingDark> and y direction
07:11 <WingDark> around 360 deg
07:11 <WingDark> ok
07:13 <Luke-Jr> it's either degrees OR xdir/ydir
07:14 <WingDark> give me an example plz
07:14 <Luke-Jr> degrees="90"
07:14 <Luke-Jr> or
07:14 <Luke-Jr> xdir="0" ydir="1"
07:14 <WingDark> oh
07:14 <WingDark> ok
07:14 <Luke-Jr> xdir/ydir are only useful for *very* advanced maos
07:14 <Luke-Jr> maps*
07:14 <WingDark> why do the poins come in groups of 4?
07:15 <Luke-Jr> that happens to be convenient on the map you're looking at
07:15 <WingDark> oh
07:15 <WingDark> lol
07:16 <WingDark> i know why
07:16 <WingDark> there spawn points
07:16 <WingDark> lol
07:17 <WingDark> what if i didnt include spawns?
07:18 <Luke-Jr> then the world explodes
07:18 <Luke-Jr> I think they're required
07:18 <WingDark> ok lol
07:18 <WingDark> how do you pick yours
07:18 <WingDark> ?
07:19 <WingDark> brb g2g for dinner
07:19 <WingDark> 10 minuites
07:33 <WingDark> im back now!
07:34 <Luke-Jr> o
07:34 <WingDark> how do you pick your spawn points then?
07:35 <WingDark> ?//
07:37 <Luke-Jr> randomly
07:39 <WingDark> how?
07:40 <Luke-Jr> guess
07:41 <WingDark> how can i guess just tell me lol
07:51 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: WingDark: It's not degrees!
07:52 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about people who can't distinguish dimensions from units here*
07:52 <wrtlprnft> it's angle="" o_O
07:52 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Making_Maps_by_Hand
07:52 <wrtlprnft> that explains everything you need to know
07:53 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: it's not CYCLE_WALLS_STAY_UP_DELAY, it's just WALLS_STAY_UP_DELAY
07:53 <wrtlprnft> same with WALLS_LENGTH
07:54 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: yes, i have a script for my race server, but it's a shellscript and therefore doesn't run on MS Windows
07:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, is there any reason I can't put the code of my race server on SVN in .private?
07:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr:
07:58 <wrtlprnft> #news add 100000 0.2.8.2 is out: download it on http://beta.armagetronad.net/
07:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded. (News item #8 added)
07:58 <wrtlprnft> #news 8
07:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: download it on http://beta.armagetronad.net/ (Subject: "0.2.8.2 is out", added by wrtlprnft on 07:58 AM, June 04, 2006, expires at 11:45 AM, June 05, 2006)
07:58 <wrtlprnft> #news
07:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#8) 0.2.8.2 is out
07:58 <Luke-Jr> .
07:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you mean ...?
07:59 <wrtlprnft> I wonder if i could actually get an answer ;)
07:59 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:00 <wrtlprnft> ....
08:02 <Luke-Jr> .....
08:02 <wrtlprnft> .....
08:03 * wrtlprnft would still prefer an answer
08:03 <Luke-Jr> ......
08:03 <Luke-Jr> what
08:03 <wrtlprnft> #last --with .private
08:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:57:17] <wrtlprnft> uh, is there any reason I can't put the code of my race server on SVN in .private?
08:05 <WingDark> duno
08:07 <Luke-Jr> .private?
08:07 <Luke-Jr> you mean /private?
08:07 <wrtlprnft> (look at my answers to your questions above=
08:07 <wrtlprnft> yes
08:08 <Luke-Jr> shrug, I don't see why not, just be sure to do a proper copy and all
08:08 <Luke-Jr> unless it's totally new code
08:08 <wrtlprnft> proper copy?
08:08 <wrtlprnft> is there something like svn cp?
08:11 <Luke-Jr> yes
08:12 * wrtlprnft should better read the svn book...
08:15 <Luke-Jr> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft/RaceServer
08:15 <Luke-Jr> assuming it's trunk-based
08:15 <wrtlprnft> and then i just merge my code in?
08:15 <Luke-Jr> and assuming you already did svn mkdir https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private{,/wrtlprnft}
08:15 <Luke-Jr> err
08:15 <Luke-Jr> and assuming you already did svn mkdir https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft
08:15 <Luke-Jr> yes
08:16 <Luke-Jr> also assuming you don't have a RCS on your current code
08:16 <wrtlprnft> rcs?
08:16 <Luke-Jr> like cvs
08:16 <wrtlprnft> I currently have it in a trunk checkout
08:17 <wrtlprnft> so i can merge changes, i just can't commit
08:18 <Luke-Jr> ok, so yeah just copy trunk to private, checkout the private one, and merge into that
08:22 <z-man> What? Nooo, if he does that continuously, we'll have each trunk change twice.
08:22 <z-man> Don't copy the whole trunk.
08:22 <Luke-Jr> z-man: wtf?
08:22 <wrtlprnft> ...
08:22 <WingDark> right ive done the wall points!
08:22 <wrtlprnft> we already have every change thrice with Luke-Jr's copies
08:23 <z-man> Which copies?
08:23 <Luke-Jr> z-man: what are you talking about?
08:23 <wrtlprnft> CvS and MCP attack
08:23 <z-man> Those are branches, as far as i'm concerned.
08:24 <Luke-Jr> copies are branches
08:24 <z-man> wrtlprnft: I think you want something else.
08:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, what do i want then?
08:24 <z-man> I don't know :)
08:24 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:24 * Luke-Jr thinks wrtlprnft wants a branch =p
08:24 <z-man> You just want tour map making scripts in htere, right?
08:24 <wrtlprnft> np
08:24 <Luke-Jr> unless, of course, it's new code
08:24 <wrtlprnft> *no
08:24 <wrtlprnft> that's pig's shooting code
08:24 <z-man> You do actual changes to the game code?
08:25 <Luke-Jr> map making would be tools
08:25 <Luke-Jr> eventually, anyway
08:25 <wrtlprnft> which is used on my server
08:25 <z-man> Luke-Jr: yes
08:25 <z-man> Ah, right. That goes into a copy indeed.
08:25 <z-man> or branch.
08:25 <Luke-Jr> same thing
08:25 <z-man> whatever you want to call it :)
08:25 <wrtlprnft> people can lay mines on that server, and i don't want pig's stuff to just disappear
08:25 <Luke-Jr> darcs should implement copies/branches
08:25 <z-man> not all copies are branches :)
08:26 <Luke-Jr> all copies are branches
08:26 <Luke-Jr> just not necesarilly entire module branches
08:26 <wrtlprnft> which means that one day I'll have to transform it into subclasses of gZone
08:26 <Luke-Jr> did pig disappear?
08:26 <wrtlprnft> i haven't seen him
08:27 <wrtlprnft> if anyone sees him, ask him if he can give me the zombie code
08:27 <Luke-Jr> can players control their zombies? :)
08:27 <wrtlprnft> does that mean green light for the copy?
08:27 <wrtlprnft> no they can't
08:27 <Luke-Jr> aww
08:27 <z-man> Anyway, what we *don't* want in the private repository part is unneccesary doublication of changes. I'd advise against merging changes from the trunk into the private branches there.
08:28 <Luke-Jr> <.<
08:28 <wrtlprnft> well, then it'll be outdarted soon and get incompatible in a while
08:28 <wrtlprnft> *outdated
08:29 <z-man> For that purpuse, keeping the changes just in your checkout is better. You get every public change right away.
08:29 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
08:29 * Luke-Jr just finished merging MCP attack ;)
08:29 <z-man> In which direction?
08:29 <wrtlprnft> trunk->mcp
08:29 <Luke-Jr> up to date on 0.2.8.0 branch
08:30 <wrtlprnft> or branch->mcp, whatever
08:30 <Luke-Jr> merging to 0.2.8 branch was difficult
08:30 <Luke-Jr> so I just updated
08:30 <z-man> Point is, if you do this merging for every side project, you'll tripple our space usage
08:30 <z-man> (in the long run)
08:31 <Luke-Jr> fun, hope darcs fixes their showstoppers
08:31 <z-man> It wouldn't be a problem with darcs, of course :)
08:31 <z-man> which showstoppers?
08:31 <Luke-Jr> I should make a list of them
08:31 <Luke-Jr> 1. branches/copies
08:31 <z-man> Probably :)
08:31 <z-man> are handled outside of darcs.
08:31 <Luke-Jr> 2. checkout only a subdirectory
08:32 <Luke-Jr> no
08:32 <z-man> use many darcs repositories.
08:32 <z-man> yes
08:32 <Luke-Jr> that's repositories
08:32 <Luke-Jr> not branches/copies
08:32 <z-man> In darcs, copy != branch, but repository == branch
08:32 <z-man> get that into your head :)
08:32 <Luke-Jr> what if I want to branch gGame.cpp into gGameA.cpp and gGameB.cpp ?
08:33 <Luke-Jr> branches need not apply to entire directories
08:33 <z-man> Ah, the history fanatic speaks again
08:33 <Luke-Jr> nor are they necessarily isolated
08:33 <z-man> But they make most sense if they do.
08:33 <Luke-Jr> not always
08:34 * z-man isn't in the mood to discuss any of that, actually
08:34 <Luke-Jr> branching of individual files is what is commonly called "copying" in other SCMs
08:34 <WingDark> u know this for the map files
08:35 <WingDark> <Spawn x="245" y="450" xdir="0" ydir="-1" />
08:35 <WingDark> the xdir and ydir
08:35 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Making_Maps_by_Hand#Spawn_points
08:35 <WingDark> which ways do certain values make the bike face?
08:35 <Luke-Jr> told you not to worry about xdir/ydir...
08:35 <WingDark> oh yeah
08:35 <WingDark> lol
08:35 <Luke-Jr> use angle
08:36 * wrtlprnft things xdir/ydir is more clear
08:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: only for 4 axis
08:36 <WingDark> mine is only 4 axis
08:36 <wrtlprnft> with angles you mave to memorize where the 0 axis is, and if they go clockwise or counterclockwise
08:37 <wrtlprnft> so what? if you have 6 axes angles are still easier
08:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: with xdir/ydir, you need to memorize which directions are positive and which are negative ;)
08:37 <WingDark> so what shall i use???
08:37 <Luke-Jr> WingDark: angles =p
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=0 ydir=1
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=1 ydir=1
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=1 ydir=-1
08:37 <WingDark> i kno which positive a negatives are
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=0 ydir=-1
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=-1 ydir=-1
08:37 <wrtlprnft> xdir=-1 ydir=1
08:37 <wrtlprnft> there you have 6 axes
08:37 <WingDark> i only want 4
08:37 <WingDark> lol
08:38 <WingDark> which do i use
08:38 <wrtlprnft> positive is up or right
08:38 <wrtlprnft> so xdir="1" means right
08:38 <wrtlprnft> so xdir="-1" means left
08:38 <WingDark> ok
08:38 <wrtlprnft> so ydir="1" means up
08:38 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: those are uneven, I think
08:38 <wrtlprnft> so ydir="-1" means down
08:38 <WingDark> ok thnx alot m8
08:38 <wrtlprnft> and combine them
08:38 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i know they are
08:38 <WingDark> for diagonals
08:38 <wrtlprnft> but they get mapped to the nearest axis ;)
08:39 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: lazy map maker!
08:39 <WingDark> lol
08:39 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: for 4 axes, only set one of them to 1 or -1, the rest to 0
08:39 <Luke-Jr> 0,1;0,-1;-1,0;1,0
08:39 <Luke-Jr> hm
08:40 <Luke-Jr> someone should make a 8 axes map with
08:40 <Luke-Jr> 0,1;0,0;0,-1;0,0;-1,0;0,0;1,0;0,0
08:40 <wrtlprnft> 0,0?
08:40 <Luke-Jr> no movement
08:40 <WingDark> lol
08:40 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work
08:41 <Luke-Jr> why not?
08:41 <Luke-Jr> normalize="0"
08:41 <wrtlprnft> hmm, true
08:41 <wrtlprnft> but the direction the cycle faces would be random
08:41 <Luke-Jr> hehe
08:42 <wrtlprnft> probably not random, just up
08:42 <wrtlprnft> but undefined ;)
08:50 <WingDark> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd">
08:50 <WingDark> what do i want to put in that?
08:50 <WingDark> do i need to change anything
08:51 <WingDark> ????
08:52 <WingDark> what shall i change this to ------> map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd
08:52 <WingDark> ???
08:54 <spidey> man
08:54 <spidey> i hate ~most~ fortress players
08:54 <spidey> sp ingeneral
08:55 <spidey> i play maybe 2 rounds per match cause of them :/
08:55 <WingDark> lol
08:56 <spidey> seriously,it's like they can't see the big letters "BREAK!!!"
08:56 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: don't change it at all
08:56 <WingDark> y not?
08:57 <MaZuffeR> people in general break much later than necessary
08:58 <MaZuffeR> i do to :/
08:58 <spidey> yea maz,but i've never died cause of you
08:59 <MaZuffeR> that's because i never doublegrind
08:59 <spidey> finally demon switched to my left
08:59 <spidey> snow i live :D
08:59 * spidey distracts wrtlprnft
08:59 <spidey> wrtl , did this popup kill you :p
09:05 <WingDark> do i need to include this?
09:05 <WingDark> <Axes number="4">
09:05 <WingDark> <Axis xdir="1" ydir="1"/>
09:05 <WingDark> <Axis xdir="1" ydir="-1"/>
09:05 <WingDark> <Axis xdir="-1" ydir="-1"/>
09:05 <WingDark> <Axis xdir="-1" ydir="1"/>
09:05 <WingDark> </Axes>
09:06 <WingDark> oh
09:06 <WingDark> no
09:06 <WingDark> that would give me diagonals lol
09:07 <WingDark> if i want it to be normal axis like the plain square map do i just forget the axis bit?
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09:11 <WingDark> wrtlprnft
09:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i didn't see any popup
09:19 * wrtlprnft uses irssi
09:19 <WingDark> wrtlprnft: ive finished the map
09:19 <wrtlprnft> WingDark: just say <Axes number="4" />
09:20 <WingDark> do i even need it in?
09:20 <wrtlprnft> if they're standard axes (up, right, down, left) you can omit actually specifying them
09:20 <wrtlprnft> I dunno
09:20 <WingDark> ok
09:20 <WingDark> ill test it
09:20 <WingDark> brb
09:20 <wrtlprnft> no, you can omit it, it seems
09:20 <wrtlprnft> at least the DTD allows it
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09:28 <WingDark> hi guys
09:28 <spidey> i'm leaving tuesday
09:28 <spidey> for a weel
09:28 <spidey> week
09:28 <WingDark> Luke-Jr: ive fished the file
09:28 <WingDark> finished*
09:28 <WingDark> lol
09:29 <wrtlprnft> everyone's leaving?
09:29 <WingDark> where?
09:29 <WingDark> and why?
09:29 <WingDark> and who?
09:29 <WingDark> lol
09:30 <wrtlprnft> g2g
09:33 <WingDark> e
09:33 <WingDark> bye*
09:33 <spidey> lol
09:34 <spidey> i'm going to my moms
09:36 <spidey> i think i'll enjoy it in fortress
09:36 <spidey> my ping should be alot better
09:37 <spidey> it's like 150miles closer to the server and the connection she has is better
09:48 <WingDark> cool
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10:10 <MaZuffeR> spidey: the stupid noobs dont know how to grind tight enough
10:13 <spidey> yea maz
10:13 <spidey> i can tell
10:14 <spidey> atleast you usually kill me :(
10:15 <spidey> these guys ruined my mood 9 hours ago
10:35 <MaZuffeR> my connection died again :(
10:36 * spidey sighs
10:36 <spidey> the guys should be banned from the internet
10:37 <MaZuffeR> i'm very good at not getting annoyed, so they don't bother me
10:38 <spidey> i think this 1 week break will do me good
10:39 <spidey> si can only take so much :/
10:40 <MaZuffeR> someone should set up a private fortress and give the ip only to the "good" players
10:40 <MaZuffeR> it's so much more fun without noobs
10:41 <spidey> yea,i could set one up
10:41 <spidey> but most the good players wouldn't come
10:41 <spidey> only places i know that have tron hosting are american
10:42 <spidey> pings would be high for most of tehm
10:42 <spidey> and if i hosted it they'd be really high
10:42 <spidey> joda said his was over 1k
10:43 <MaZuffeR> got you four last lines at once :/ damn connection
10:43 <MaZuffeR> 1k is a bit too high ;)
10:43 <spidey> hehe
10:43 <spidey> yea,but people in the US have around 60-90 ping on my connection
10:45 <spidey> then again,i won't be able to buy tron hosting
10:45 <spidey> i'm paying for a 32 soldat server now
10:45 <spidey> and will be getting another 32 slot one in a few weeks
10:45 <MaZuffeR> 32? that's a lot of people in soldat
10:45 <spidey> yea
10:46 <spidey> but 18 of them are bots
10:46 <spidey> you play soldat?
10:46 <MaZuffeR> oh ok
10:46 <MaZuffeR> haven't played in year or so
10:46 <spidey> should :)
10:46 * spidey started a clan :/
10:46 <MaZuffeR> i suck at it
10:46 <spidey> will have a total of 4 servers
10:46 <spidey> 2 of them on a 1 gig connection with 32 slots
10:47 <spidey> then me and damien's gonna host one,each will have 6-8 slots
10:47 <MaZuffeR> i was part of a clan, we all sucked
10:47 <spidey> lol
10:48 <spidey> i really don't care how good the people are
10:48 <spidey> if we like them,we invite them
10:48 <spidey> i don't want a group full of assholes/morons
10:48 <spidey> it's bad on soldat,i have a 184 banlist
10:49 <spidey> that's just from 1 month
10:49 <MaZuffeR> it isn't fun if you get all your kills by luck
10:49 <spidey> we got 1 death match server,1 ctf server
10:50 <spidey> 1 "zombie" ctf
10:50 <spidey> basically,18 bots on 1 team that look like zombies and have chainsaws
10:50 <MaZuffeR> heh
10:50 <spidey> then a 10 player max
10:50 <spidey> the rest of those slots are used for admins
10:50 <spidey> cause the server don't count them as a person,but the program running in the hosts backgournd does
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10:53 <spidey> wanna come play maz? :p
10:53 <MaZuffeR> soldat? i have to install it first
10:53 <spidey> :d
10:56 <spidey> hey manta,you got a mic?
10:57 <MaZuffeR> done, what server?
10:58 <spidey> look for (WM)|FA| Decaying Zombies
10:58 <spidey> you in?
10:59 <MaZuffeR> it's full
10:59 <spidey> you're ip 201.xxx ?
10:59 <spidey> nvm see ya
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12:52 <spidey> lol maz,that group didn't like me very much xD
12:52 <MaZuffeR> no
12:53 <spidey> i think that's the first group i haven't got along good with
12:54 <MaZuffeR> i didn't suck as much as i thought i would
12:54 <joda_bot> spidey: MaZuffeR: What are you talking about ?
12:54 <MaZuffeR> soldat
12:54 <spidey> soldat
12:54 <spidey> :)
12:54 <MaZuffeR> my hand hurts now :/
12:54 <spidey> you was doing great maz,had more points than me :p
12:57 <spidey> k i'm off to bed,cua
12:57 <MaZuffeR> g'night
12:58 <spidey> it's only 1;02 pm,but that's my bedtime xD
12:58 <spidey> cya,lol
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16:03 <wrtlprnft> GL_DONT_CARE?!
16:04 <wrtlprnft> nice constant
16:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i have that feeling too
16:20 <z-man> darn CIA.
16:20 <wrtlprnft> when i changed rFont.h it didn't recompile anythung, i had to do a make clean
16:20 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:21 <z-man> you're reading the logs as I write them again :)
16:21 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:21 <wrtlprnft> well, the logs can't change once you committed, right?
16:22 <z-man> we're definitely running automake without the -i option which turns off dependency tracking. I don't know what's wrong.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> maybe it can't find the includes?
16:22 <z-man> No, they can't change, but I wasn't finished committing todays work.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> uh, sorry
16:22 <z-man> Hmm, maybe. I'll keep an eye on that.
16:22 <z-man> nvm
16:23 * wrtlprnft will add a 5- minute delay to refer to log messages
16:23 <z-man> hehe
16:28 <z-man> Hmm, it's definitely calling depcomp
16:28 <wrtlprnft> do those log messages mean we will get a 0.2.8.3?
16:28 <z-man> Some time, yes.
16:28 <z-man> But these changes will have to be hatched on the bugfarm a bit :)
16:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
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16:29 <z-man> There is also another voting change, I want to prevent players from coming in and issuing a kick vote right away
16:29 <wrtlprnft> any chance you can update one of the servers to CVS HEAD?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> so we get bugs there, too
16:30 <wrtlprnft> that /msg hang survived waaay too long IMHO
16:30 <z-man> Perhaps I can update sumo.
16:30 <wrtlprnft> s/CVS HEAD/trunk/
16:30 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:32 <z-man> cat src/.deps/libtron_a-gCycleMovement.Po
16:32 <z-man> # dummy
16:32 <z-man> hmm
16:33 <wrtlprnft> that file doesn't even exist for me
16:35 <z-man> DEPDIR=.deps depmode=none /bin/sh ../../../../armagetronad/depcomp
16:35 <z-man> depmode=none doesn't look too good.
16:35 <z-man> (MAKE output)
16:41 <z-man> Ah, riddle solved. remove config.cache and run "./config-status --recheck"
16:42 <z-man> If you checked out your working copy right at the beginning, bootstrap.sh disabled dependencies because you were not working with CVS
16:42 <z-man> and configure caches that.
16:42 <z-man> Oh, and you have to rerun bootstrap.sh before all that.
16:42 * z-man goes to post this on the forum
16:54 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
16:55 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/61879
16:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, the last line is a joke, right?
16:55 <wrtlprnft> it should either see i'm in the wrong dir and correct it or fail with an error message
16:56 <wrtlprnft> find .. -name config.cache
16:56 <wrtlprnft> empty result...
16:57 <z-man> really?
16:57 <z-man> "build directory" == top level build directory
16:57 <z-man> there should be a config.cache there.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i searched the entire tree
16:59 <z-man> Err, you need to run bootstrap.sh from its own directory
16:59 <z-man> cd armagetronad; ./bootstrap.sh
16:59 <wrtlprnft> i have the checkout in ~/armagetronad3/armagetronad and build directories in ~/armagetronad3/armagetronad/build2 and ~/armagetronad3/armagetronad/ded
17:00 <wrtlprnft> that's what i did after the first one failed
17:00 <z-man> But the output is not the second log you posted, right?
17:01 <z-man> Maybe you can get away with just "./config.status --recheck"
17:01 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/61881
17:02 <z-man> if the checks don't show "(cached)" all of the time, you'll be fine.
17:02 <z-man> Complain about the warnings with the people who underquote their definitions :)
17:02 * z-man has edited all his system files so they go away.
17:03 <wrtlprnft> but they don't do anything bad, do they?
17:03 <z-man> no
17:04 <guru3> i broke h.264 playback on my desktop somehow :/
17:04 <wrtlprnft> uh, it doesn't make a difference that I'm running the trunk, right?
17:04 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/61882
17:04 <z-man> it shouldn't
17:04 <z-man> checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
17:04 <z-man> yep, you should be fine now.
17:05 <wrtlprnft> but look at the bottom half...
17:05 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ touch ../src/render/rFont.h
17:05 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ make
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't compile anything
17:05 <z-man> Oh, I forgot 'make clean"
17:05 <z-man> the depfiles are only generated when files are compiled
17:05 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ok, seems to work now, thanks again :)
17:17 <z-man> np
17:18 <z-man> bedtime again
17:18 * z-man notices he was marked away all the time
17:18 <joda_bot> z-man: time for one question ?
17:18 <z-man> sure
17:18 <joda_bot> ok, I've been thinking about the build system for all platforms today
17:19 <joda_bot> My observation is that currently the build system is dependand on perl and python + bash
17:19 <joda_bot> perl for automake/autoconf
17:19 <joda_bot> and python for sortresources
17:19 <z-man> automake is perl?
17:19 <joda_bot> yes
17:19 <joda_bot> bash for general scripting and perhaps autoconf
17:20 <z-man> add m4 to the list ;)
17:20 <joda_bot> So there is no documentation on windows which is not a good thing
17:20 <joda_bot> yeah, m4 ... I'm not sure yet where to put it in
17:20 <joda_bot> but I thought it was part of autoconf ?
17:20 <z-man> No, its independent.
17:20 <z-man> autoconf uses it.
17:20 <z-man> (and the documentation)
17:21 <joda_bot> My suggestion would be to try to minizie dependencies
17:21 <joda_bot> I'll investigate if the docs can be compiled to a CHM easily
17:21 <z-man> CHM?
17:21 <joda_bot> Windows Helpfile format
17:22 <z-man> Ah that.
17:23 <z-man> We should probably move the docs over to a different source format. Raw HTML with m4 macros just isn't the right thing for everyone.
17:23 <joda_bot> yeah might be
17:23 <z-man> Docbook or doxygen would work, or this wiki-like thing Lucifer dug up a while ago
17:23 <joda_bot> But I'd also want to investigate if the python build depency can be moved to perl too
17:23 <wrtlprnft> why can't we include a copy of the wiki?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> just the actual pages, shouldn't be too big
17:24 <joda_bot> and then I'm thinking about using gnuwin32 packages for m4 perhaps
17:24 <joda_bot> but I have to check on that
17:24 <z-man> I'd wait with that. Maybe python will be required anyway.
17:24 <joda_bot> z-man: AFAIK pyhton will be used for scripting which is not neccessary to build the game
17:24 <z-man> wrtlprnft: if you write the mirror source, sure, we can include wiki snapshots.
17:25 <joda_bot> so keep the build system requirements low increases portability ?
17:25 <joda_bot> keep*ing*
17:25 <joda_bot> that's the whole point of it
17:25 <z-man> But what's the use in *not* requiring something for building you require for running?
17:26 <joda_bot> z-man: If it's really unreplaceable I'm fine with that
17:26 <wrtlprnft> can't we run sortresources.py before releases?
17:26 <z-man> wrtlprnft: we're doing that
17:26 <joda_bot> but if with a sane effort the requirements can be reduced that should simplfy it ?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
17:26 <wrtlprnft> so python is just needed for the SVN sources?
17:27 <z-man> joda_bot: yes, but the current system is working :) I see no need in changing a script from one language to another.
17:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes
17:27 <wrtlprnft> well, we can expect people to have more software installed when they want to build from SVN
17:27 <z-man> Right.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> so we can require python as well
17:28 <z-man> Hey, now that we're on SVN, we can actually move the files around in the repository!
17:29 <joda_bot> z-man: wrtlprnft: you are saying that python is only needed to build armagetron right ?
17:29 <wrtlprnft> it's only needed to build from SVN
17:29 <joda_bot> or is python an essential part of subversion
17:29 <z-man> So they don't have to be move again, and you get by without sortresources.py as long as you don't touch the resources.
17:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:29 <wrtlprnft> but then i need two log entries for changing a resource file?
17:29 <joda_bot> heh, even easier ;)
17:29 <z-man> joda_bot: we're saying that if you get your sources from a tarball, you don't need python.
17:30 <wrtlprnft> first i need to move it, then i need to do the actual changes
17:30 <z-man> wrtlprnft: no, you just edit it. sortresources takes over the rest.
17:30 <z-man> It is extensible to do other things than just "mv a b", it can just as well call "svn mv a b"
17:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but it will produce two kog entries
17:31 <wrtlprnft> *log
17:31 <joda_bot> z-man: does subversion detect a resource being moved ?
17:31 <joda_bot> or do you have to tell it to move it ?
17:31 <z-man> wrtlprnft: only one log entry.
17:31 <wrtlprnft> if you say so, ok
17:31 <z-man> joda_bot: it doesn't detect it, but it can handle it if you tell it they got moved.
17:32 <joda_bot> z-man: good to know
17:32 <z-man> wrtlprnft: of course, the log entry will be "file moved and changed" if you look at it closer, but "svn log" won't show that by default.
17:37 <joda_bot> z-man: Did you replace @progtitle@ in language.txt by hand ?
17:37 <z-man> I can't remember what the unix system does with that :)
17:38 <joda_bot> it replaces it by "ArmagetronAd" I guess
17:38 <joda_bot> but it does not work on windows (obviously)
17:38 <z-man> Ah, no, I don't replace it by hand. It's autoconf'ed.
17:38 <joda_bot> z-man: I'm talking about the windows builds ?
17:39 <z-man> My method always was that I tolerate certain... quirks in the Windows SVN build
17:39 <joda_bot> z-man: do you build them on the shell ?
17:39 <joda_bot> hehe
17:39 <z-man> No, my Windows builds also have strange menus
17:39 <joda_bot> How do you build the release versions ?
17:39 <z-man> The real builds get created from a source zip created in Unix.
17:40 <z-man> The script is in the build module.
17:40 <joda_bot> btw. I send bobby an email to see what his problems with the newer versions are
17:40 <joda_bot> bobby complained about newer releases being too buggy
17:40 <joda_bot> ah
17:41 <z-man> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/scripts/winsrc?view=markup&rev=4612
17:41 <joda_bot> hm
17:41 <z-man> who is bobby?
17:41 <z-man> There is more work done around the script from the makefile, for example the documentation.
17:42 <z-man> (as you can guess from the tons of parameters)
17:42 <joda_bot> a player who complained on armagetron.nixda.net
17:42 <joda_bot> ^^ bobby
17:42 <joda_bot> z-man: but the releases did not include docs upto now
17:42 <joda_bot> the directory was always empty
17:42 <z-man> They didn't?
17:43 <z-man> I remember they were forgotten in 0.2.8.0 and 0.2.8.1 at first
17:43 <joda_bot> 0.2.8.2 had it
17:43 <z-man> But I do hope that is fixed now :)
17:44 <joda_bot> 0.2.8.1.gcc
17:44 <joda_bot> index.html
17:44 <joda_bot> wiki.txt
17:44 <joda_bot> move timestamp.txt
17:44 <joda_bot> seems to be ok now
17:44 <z-man> You can also try to get this bobby to post his complaints in the nixda forum and ping me to the tread.
17:44 <joda_bot> The html doc is probably better than a CHM file ;)
17:44 <joda_bot> nice thing that works now
17:45 <joda_bot> z-man: I'm already trying to get the neccessary info ;)
17:45 <z-man> Depends. We oculd open the CHM from within the game when you press F1 or something.
17:45 <joda_bot> btw did anyone of you try to play on older server with 0.2.8.x ?
17:45 <z-man> (not that I would know how)
17:46 <joda_bot> well the lag / issues make me stop playing older servers more or less
17:46 <z-man> Not with the release itself, but I was using the branch all the time.
17:46 <joda_bot> Which is fine for me, but many old school players probably stick to 0.2.7.1 because of that
17:46 <z-man> And I do occasionally visit Tigers and Icemans
17:46 <joda_bot> z-man: ok, that should not matter
17:47 <z-man> Perhaps the Speeders type servers are more affected. You know my mantra there: dubdidubdidu-give me a recording and I see what I can do.
17:47 <z-man> Not actually a mantra.
17:47 <joda_bot> z-man: without a server side thing it will be difficult I guess
17:48 <z-man> Not too much.
17:48 <joda_bot> ok, I'll tell players to record their issues then ;)
17:48 <joda_bot> Will make you drown perhaps :-P
17:48 <z-man> Prediction problems can be figured out by a clientside recording alone, the server sends over what he thinks happened :)
17:48 <joda_bot> I'll try to envforce short recordings ;)
17:48 <z-man> That would be nice.
17:49 <joda_bot> z-man: I changed the codeblocks build/armgetronad source to use the resoucrce icon of the exe
17:49 <joda_bot> That should be done for Visual C too
17:49 <joda_bot> The icon.png is obsolete then for windows
17:50 <z-man> You mean the good-looking icon is now also set in Windows? Cools.
17:50 <z-man> -s
17:50 <joda_bot> I also added about 10 icons for armagetron to exe
17:51 <joda_bot> all different color depth / size combinations of the yellow cycle logo
17:51 <joda_bot> I'll move that stuff to win_libs soon ..
17:52 <joda_bot> Does win_libs/res/icons sound good to you ?
17:52 <z-man> On second thought, they can also stay in the codeblocks build files.
17:52 <joda_bot> The res folder would also contain the other common build stuff ?
17:52 <z-man> It doesn't really matter. With K switching to code::blocks as well, nobody is using visualc any more.
17:53 <joda_bot> well, we can still keep build_visual c around and update it once someone else prefers to use visual_c ?
17:53 <z-man> Do whatever you want with them :)
17:54 <joda_bot> One other question, would be ok to lock the name in "language.txt.in" to Armagetron Advanced ?
17:54 <z-man> I'll try to get the visualC stuff working again (the master already compiles) and try to keep it up to date.
17:54 <joda_bot> instead of using "@progtitle@" ?
17:54 <z-man> No :) Right now, everyone can easily create a fork by just changing the name in one place, or running configure a special way.
17:55 <joda_bot> If the file is missing the name will fall back to "Armagetron" ;)
17:55 <z-man> But if you don't find an easy way to handle that in Windows, sure, hardocde it.
17:55 <joda_bot> it's not hardcoded ;)
17:55 * z-man is too dired for nitpicks :)
17:56 <z-man> hardcoded in the sense that it's coded in a way that makes it hard to change :)
17:56 <joda_bot> right... I should not nitpick ...
17:56 <z-man> save that for Luke :)
17:56 <joda_bot> z-man: Currently I found it difficult to track the place where the name comes from
17:56 <joda_bot> ;)
17:57 <joda_bot> but I'm fine if you prefer language.txt to keep the @progtitle@...
17:57 <joda_bot> I'll check about using autoconf, automake or m4
17:58 <z-man> Good luck.
17:58 * z-man would love to be able to cross-compile the Windows builds from Linux
17:59 <z-man> Ok, really bedtime now, I'm haluzinating again :)
18:04 <z-man> #night
18:04 <armabot> Good night z-man!
18:06 <joda_bot> good night
18:11 <wrtlprnft> uh, now that we have the local /command thingy, what about a /nick?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> just as an alias for /command PLAYER_!
18:11 <wrtlprnft> just as an alias for /command PLAYER_1
18:11 <wrtlprnft> or PLAYER_X where X is the player who used the command
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18:32 <wrtlprnft> wb
18:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: how about moving the console commands to a extra file ?
18:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:33 <wrtlprnft> what do you mean?
18:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: It's all still inside ePlayer.cpp
18:33 <joda_bot> make a eConsole.cpp which handles the different chat commands
18:34 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't that be eChatCommand?
18:34 * Lucifer_arma is generally in favor of work that turns armagetron into a lot of simple files vs a few complicated files
18:34 <wrtlprnft> I'd prefer the nonsense name static names approach
18:34 <wrtlprnft> like the config system
18:34 <wrtlprnft> so you can register the commands and have them anywhere
18:35 <wrtlprnft> and at the same time add a way to get things called everytime a new round/match etc starts
18:35 <wrtlprnft> that would move lots of stuff out of gGame
18:36 <joda_bot> well I don't mind another solution, but to have all console commands in one place has also advantages
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> that kinda makes sense, although it probably needs to look more like the cockpit callbacks
18:36 <joda_bot> because you know where to start from
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> that way a given game component can provide its own commands to be used
18:37 <wrtlprnft> exactly
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> moving all console commands to one place would be an important first step to what wrtlprnft's talking about :)
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> right, but the component probably needs to provide a callback rather than a value. Config system provides a value, cockpit system provides a callback. ;)
18:37 <wrtlprnft> are you talking about the / commands or the console
18:38 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:38 <wrtlprnft> you'd do something like this:
18:38 <wrtlprnft> static void somenonsensenamefunction() {
18:38 <wrtlprnft> no
18:38 <wrtlprnft> static void somenonsensenamefunction(tString const ¶ms) {
18:39 <wrtlprnft> //do something here
18:39 <wrtlprnft> }
18:39 <wrtlprnft> static ChatCommand blah("consoleCommand", &somenonsensenamefunction);
18:40 <wrtlprnft> and everytime you enter /consoleCommand that function will be called
18:40 <wrtlprnft> ChatCommand has to self- register itself in some deque, of course
18:41 <wrtlprnft> like rPerFrameTasks ;)
18:41 <wrtlprnft> and there would be two different ones, one that gets interpreted on the server and one that gets interpreted on the server
18:42 <wrtlprnft> s/server/client/
18:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: In my opinion this is a lazy way to do it , but it does not enforce more structure
18:42 <wrtlprnft> structure? I just want to keep everything that has the same job in the same files
18:43 <joda_bot> if all console commands are collected in a single place, you can easily see their dependencies and their effects are more obvious (to me)
18:43 <joda_bot> ah ok
18:43 <wrtlprnft> so all team managment would be in eTeam
18:43 <wrtlprnft> including the chat commands
18:43 <joda_bot> Ah now I understand you approach
18:43 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:43 <joda_bot> hm
18:43 * wrtlprnft would probably stay in ePlayer
18:44 <wrtlprnft> /me would probably stay in ePlayer
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that's what i meant ;)
18:44 <joda_bot> no, I don't like that
18:44 <joda_bot> ok, will take some time to explain ;)
18:44 * wrtlprnft listens
18:44 * Lucifer_arma wants to be moved to rSDL.h
18:44 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:45 <wrtlprnft> i meant the "/me" command
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> I know. :)
18:45 * Lucifer_arma will wait until joda explains to read it--cooking dinner and stuff.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> hard to talk about irc style commands in irc eh?
18:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O I'm getting canadianized
18:46 <joda_bot> sorry, got distracted
18:46 <wrtlprnft> if it's long put it on the forums or the wiki, i'd say
18:46 <joda_bot> lol no
18:47 <joda_bot> It's more or less about design
18:47 <joda_bot> Make it a component
18:47 <joda_bot> You have a kind of chat command component
18:47 <joda_bot> which has different "plugins" or instructions
18:47 <joda_bot> If you keep them all in one place you can easily tell what all the commands affect
18:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:48 <wrtlprnft> so you want all the config items in tConfiguration.cpp to keep them all in one place?
18:48 <joda_bot> e.g. you can tell that no command will depend on rRender perhaps
18:49 <joda_bot> well, you're right there that makes it more complicated probably
18:49 <joda_bot> I was more or less thinking about the chat commands at the moment
18:49 <wrtlprnft> what i'm proposing works exactly like the config items
18:50 <joda_bot> The configuration items, well I'd really like to have ONE place for them, but putting them in one place get a include list of all the game
18:50 <joda_bot> so it's sword with two edges (at least)
18:50 <joda_bot> hm
18:50 <wrtlprnft> I just think having that static-global-object concept is more extension friendly
18:50 <joda_bot> Perhaps we should separate configitems and settings (menu changeable options)
18:51 <wrtlprnft> you can just add a file like the HUD and don't have to change anything ekse
18:51 <wrtlprnft> *else
18:51 <joda_bot> well it's not object oriented design, but it's not always the best choice anyway
18:52 <joda_bot> ok, perhaps both things can be combined to a degree
18:52 <joda_bot> leave all config items in the diverse files
18:53 <joda_bot> but collect them at the end of the file
18:53 <joda_bot> with their corresponding implementations right above (or in between not sure what is better for overview?)
18:54 <wrtlprnft> you know about the --doc option?
18:54 <wrtlprnft> we might add something for the chat commands as well
18:54 <joda_bot> probably not ;)
18:54 <wrtlprnft> try running arma with --doc
18:54 <joda_bot> I don't mind every configitem to have a chat command alias
18:54 <wrtlprnft> nononoo, please not
18:54 <joda_bot> an optional chat command alias
18:54 <joda_bot> ;)
18:55 <joda_bot> running or building ?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> I meant real chat commands
18:55 <wrtlprnft> just call the binary with it
18:55 <wrtlprnft> like /me and /teamshuffle
18:55 <joda_bot> oh, damn you're talking about "/me" and "/msg" ?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:55 <joda_bot> well teamshuffle is not chat related
18:55 <wrtlprnft> exactly
18:55 <joda_bot> and affects the game
18:56 <wrtlprnft> that's why i want it in eTeam
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, ok. I think the console is ultimately going to be replaced by an event loop
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll have a component that intercepts "chat", parses it for commands and then sends events for commands
18:56 <wrtlprnft> that was fast supper
18:56 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeopleFast
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> if it doesn't have a command, then it sends a chat event instead
18:56 * joda_bot can't beat Lucifer_arma typing
18:56 * Lucifer_arma hasn't eaten yet, just looked around
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> so the distinction between chat and console input will disappear, it'll just be a UI thing
18:57 <joda_bot> hm, not sure if events are not a overhead for this
18:57 <wrtlprnft> why don't we have a tronic fork?
18:57 <wrtlprnft> or tronic knife first?
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, everything is going to go into events at some point.
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> game events and ui events.
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> it makes sense to run this through events *when they're there*
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> however, I can't promise that'll be the best way to handle chat commands
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> what we have right now is an object (I forget its name) that does take commands
18:59 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it is tConfItemBase that does it
18:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I guess I'll think about the chat command and their effects a bit more
18:59 <joda_bot> ;)
18:59 <Lucifer_arma> tConfItemBase::LoadAll()
18:59 <Lucifer_arma> so what I think would be best, personally, is to change the console input widget to be a chat widget that automatically prepends "/console" to whatever is typed
18:59 <wrtlprnft> it finds the correct config item from a list and calls a member of it
19:00 <joda_bot> but having a kind of plugin/callback registry for chat commands like for tConfigItem is a good thing anyway
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, gotta move on to cook dinner, wash dishes, etc.
19:00 <wrtlprnft> I always saw chat commands more as a hack...
19:00 <wrtlprnft> *helpful* take a dump?
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's because they are :)
19:00 <joda_bot> take a dump ?!?! what are you talking about ?
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> but we'd like them to be formalized and properly integrated, too. :) Think access permissions and delegation
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> he says "take a dump" is part of "etc"
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> which it probably is :)
19:01 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: about Lucifer_arma's problems what to do first
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19:09 <n54> lol wrtlprnft ^^
19:10 <joda_bot> seems like I missed the joke ;)
19:10 <joda_bot> "take a dump" means ?
19:10 <joda_bot> jump into the trash ?
19:10 <GodTodd> take a shit
19:11 <joda_bot> oh alright
19:11 <n54> Lucifer is always wondering if he should do the dishes then take a dump or the other way around - that's the joke ^^
19:11 <joda_bot> ah ok
19:11 <n54> or more like a tease actually
19:11 <n54> since he's been asking more than once for advice on the matter ^^
19:12 <GodTodd> get a spacesuit...then you don't have to worry about order ;)
19:12 <n54> tht sounds like a sticky solution hehe
19:12 * joda_bot thinks about lucifer entertaining the masses ;)
19:12 <GodTodd> sticky, huh? what have you been eating? ;)
19:14 <n54> wouldn't matter much now would it GodTodd? ^^
19:15 <GodTodd> :D
19:29 <joda_bot> gn8
19:29 <joda_bot> #topic 0.2.8.2 has been released!
19:29 <joda_bot> :-)
19:30 <joda_bot> #message Luci* change topic to 0.2.8.2 has been ... ;)
19:30 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
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19:37 <wrtlprnft> guru3: would you mind changing the topic to "0.2.8.2 has been..."?
19:38 <n54> he's asleep, I'm sure he'll do it at opportunity
19:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i'm just sending him that wake thing so he changes it before it is 2 weeks old :P
19:39 <n54> oh ok
19:39 <wrtlprnft> I think LuciEatsPeople posted it in the forums somewhere, maybe tank just didn't read it
19:40 <n54> well it's 0241 over here, not sure when it was posted
19:40 <wrtlprnft> i think it was the day before yesterday your time
19:40 <wrtlprnft> saturday
19:42 <n54> oh... it's monday already :|
19:42 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:42 <wrtlprnft> I thought chronic fatigue had something to do with feeling tired, why aren't you sleeping? j/k
19:43 <n54> not that simple, and it's not exactly the same as cfs
19:43 <n54> and tired and sleepy are two very different things let me assure you - I'm almost constantly tired
19:43 * wrtlprnft just skimmed over the wikipedia page, so don't consider me an expert
19:45 <n54> it's no problem it's a difficult diagnosis and very little is actually known about it except for a common set of symptoms and in the case of ME that it in all likelihood is a viral infection in the nerve system
19:46 <wrtlprnft> you said it will go away, right?
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19:47 <n54> no, it's cronic, it will never go away but some people manage to reduce it to such a degree it might as well not be there (experts disagree; my specialist says one thing and a neurologist says something different - I'm mroe inclined to believe my specialist since doctors in general have no clue what they're actually dealing with)
19:48 <wrtlprnft> go away or become way better... both good thinks
19:48 <wrtlprnft> i hope it will become better for you :)
19:49 <n54> me too
19:49 <n54> but those possiblities are just possibilities, doesn't apply to everyone etc. (but in my case I've made some progress the last two years)
19:49 <wrtlprnft> I wanna see your unbeatable arma skills :P
19:50 <n54> lol I'll probably suck :)
19:50 <n54> anyone can beat me, that's always been the case :)
19:51 <n54> it just became very rare for a while ^^
19:52 <wrtlprnft> looks like you were good at arma :P
19:53 <n54> overall yeah, but there were others that were better, I'm oretty sure of that, like WarMonkey and Commie and probably Subby too
19:53 <n54> pretty*
19:53 <n54> I just played a lot
19:54 <wrtlprnft> well, then all those most likely played too much arma :P
19:54 <n54> probably ^^
19:55 <n54> WarMonkey loved to do laps, I don't know if anyone does that anymore
19:56 <LuciEatsPeople> #g 1.296/3
19:56 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 1.29600 / 3 = 0.432
19:58 <n54> btw does the map-making stuff enable making a square circle?
19:59 * n54 might have asked before
20:03 <wrtlprnft> yes, almost
20:03 <wrtlprnft> you can make a regular polygon with many sides
20:03 <LuciEatsPeople> #g 1.3/3
20:03 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 1.3 / 3 = 0.433333333
20:04 <n54> I was thinking more of like an arena that is a square with a big square "hole" in the middle
20:05 <wrtlprnft> square with a square hole?
20:05 <n54> yup
20:05 <wrtlprnft> you mean, like a roundabout?
20:05 <wrtlprnft> sure, why not?
20:05 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=211&max=217
20:05 <n54> cool
20:05 <wrtlprnft> there's a circle
20:05 <wrtlprnft> i have no better shots, sorry
20:06 <n54> ah yeah I've seen those at the forum
20:06 <wrtlprnft> did i link them? oh, ok
20:06 <wrtlprnft> but no, that would be easy
20:07 <n54> the thing about those curved arenas and trails; it can't be any good for grinding?
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20:07 <wrtlprnft> no, it's not
20:08 <n54> ah ok
20:08 <wrtlprnft> but curved rim walls basically get rid of wallhugging :P
20:08 <wrtlprnft> if someone grinds it hard enough and then turns away, it is unbeatable
20:08 <wrtlprnft> like this: (i love ascii art)
20:09 <n54> yeah that's fair if one want's to avoid it, however lapping _is_ wallhugging :)
20:09 <wrtlprnft> /---------
20:09 <wrtlprnft> |
20:09 <wrtlprnft> |
20:09 <wrtlprnft> |
20:09 <wrtlprnft> |
20:09 <wrtlprnft> where the / is the rim wall
20:09 <wrtlprnft> no, but you don't get people doing 180 degree turns against walls
20:10 <n54> imagine wallhugging but with 2-4 participants all "hugging each other" as close to the wall and each other trails as possible; that's lapping
20:11 <wrtlprnft> o_O whatever you say :P
20:12 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with o_O --nolimit
20:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [20:11:26] <wrtlprnft> o_O whatever you say :P and [18:45:54] <wrtlprnft> o_O I'm getting canadianized
20:12 <n54> it's kind of fun, it's not really competetive but rather more cooperation trying to see how many laps one can do with how many
20:12 <wrtlprnft> #last --with sdfsfgsgfasfgasf
20:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 880 messages.
20:12 <n54> :)
20:12 <wrtlprnft> 880 messages?!
20:12 <wrtlprnft> how lame is that?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> grr it got disconnected earlier
20:13 <wrtlprnft> it was over 15000
20:13 <n54> :o
20:13 <wrtlprnft> 21:54 <armabot> Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 23953 messages
20:13 <wrtlprnft> that was yesterday
20:14 <n54> XD
20:26 * spidey yawns
20:27 <wrtlprnft> morning/evening/night/whatever
20:31 <spidey> hmmm
20:32 <wrtlprnft> whatever your "internal" time is
20:32 <n54> :)
20:33 <spidey> it's morning for me
20:33 <spidey> but it's also 8:30pm
20:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe your brain is getting am and pm mixed up?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> or it lives in australia or somewhere?
20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <spidey> dunno
20:34 <spidey> but i'm still tired
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20:58 <wrtlprnft> looks like rScreen.cpp doesn't like tColor.cpp O_o
20:58 <wrtlprnft> *rColor.cpp
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21:10 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:11 <wrtlprnft> there i have a rColor class to make my life easier and now i can't use it
21:12 <n54> :S
21:13 <wrtlprnft> or, now i can
21:13 <wrtlprnft> no idea why rScreen.h included rFont.h
21:13 <wrtlprnft> no apparent reason
21:14 <wrtlprnft> the trouble was that rScreen.h included rFont.h included rColor.h included rRender.h
21:14 <wrtlprnft> but rScreen.h doesn't work with rRender.h already included
21:14 <wrtlprnft> or, no, still won't work :(
21:15 <wrtlprnft> WHAT?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #ifndef DONTDOIT
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #define glBegin #error glBegin disabled
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #define glEnd #error glEnd disabled
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #define glMatrixMode #error glEnd disabled
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #endif
21:16 <wrtlprnft> such nonsense. why?
21:16 * wrtlprnft defines DONTDOIT
21:17 <wrtlprnft> grr. the stats script ignored fcukfcuk :(
21:19 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man can you enlighten me about DONTDOIT? why shouldn't i use glMatrixMode()?
21:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:20 <n54> dont do it ;P
21:20 <n54> :)
21:21 * wrtlprnft just did a #define DONTDOIT and wonders if he's gonna regret it
21:21 <n54> hehe :)
21:21 <n54> well you will find out ;)
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21:24 * wrtlprnft wonders how much you have to smoke to call a define DONTDOIT
21:25 <wrtlprnft> and WHAT :D
21:25 <n54> hehe
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21:28 <Luke-Jr> #later tell joda_bot Maybe extend our support for variables (${HOME} etc) to more than just paths? Eg, ${programname} or such
21:28 <Luke-Jr> LuciEatsPeople: fix the bot?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> #later tell joda_bot Maybe extend our support for variables (${HOME} etc) to more than just paths? Eg, ${programname} or such
21:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:28 <wrtlprnft> it just ignores you, it seems
21:29 <wrtlprnft> #m joda_bot (that last message was from Luke-Jr, armabot ignores him)
21:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:29 * Luke-Jr was going to tell z-man too
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man* (From Luke-Jr, armabot ignores him): Maybe extend our support for variables (${HOME} etc) to more than just paths? Eg, ${programname} or such
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:33 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I might fix the bot if you quit acting like a kid
21:34 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:34 <wrtlprnft> the only one that acts like a kid on that poor bot is me :P
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #f
21:34 <armabot> Random Fortune: OS/2 must die!
21:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna go another night of fortress?
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: not really, got calculus homework to do
21:42 <spidey> :(
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> I"ll probably be on there a bit, just not all night :)
21:42 <spidey> :)
21:43 <spidey> tuesday on i won't on on that much
21:43 <spidey> i'm going to my moms for a week
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> should I rip my neighbor's christian rock band's cd?
21:46 <spidey> i don't like it,so don't take my advice ;p
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> they're a wanna-be pop band
21:46 * Lucifer_arma wasn't impressed by it
21:46 <spidey> heh
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, is it "I am hicking-up", or "I am hic-upping"?
21:47 <spidey> lol
21:47 <GodTodd> depends on where in TX you are :D
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> my kids say the latter, but I say the former :)
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you start school yet?
21:51 * spidey is going to pwn fortress
21:52 <GodTodd> appears it is "hiccupping"
21:52 <GodTodd> not yet...starting in august
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> fall semester?
21:54 <GodTodd> yep
21:54 <GodTodd> gonna have to take trig and precal too :/
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> what are you taking?
21:54 <GodTodd> dunno yet
21:54 <GodTodd> have to see when the fall schedule is posted
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> you should be able to double up on trig and precal, but that's a lot of work :)
21:55 <GodTodd> i know....i might....MIGHT try it tho ;)
21:55 <GodTodd> depends on what else i take...probably start with 2 or 3 classes is all
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'd recommend it, if you have the time to keep up with it. The two classes compliment each other.
21:56 <GodTodd> that would put me in calc I in spring...that's a big upside
21:56 <wrtlprnft> #night
21:56 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> 'night wrtlprnft
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> that is a big upside. :)
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> consider that your degree starts with calc I in the first semester, if you burn too many core classes getting to that point, math will bottleneck you later
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's why I skipped college algebra and precalculus, to avoid that bottleneck :)
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've only got 2 core classes left, one of which I"ll take at ACC (probably next spring, maybe next summer), the other I'm waiting to take at UT
21:58 <GodTodd> how'd you skip them?
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm...... by being sneaky :)
21:59 <GodTodd> hmmm
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> I took intermediate algebra, tested into it.
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> At the time, they said if you got a B or higher, you could skip college algebra and go to trig. So I did that.
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> My trig teacher was pretty impressed with me, at least a little bit, and we worked out a deal where he wouldn't press me for prerequisites if I took Calc I from him
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> in exchange I had to do well in calc I, which I did. Got an A, after all. :)
22:00 <GodTodd> cool :)
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> an understood part of the deal was that if I fucked up in calc I, I'd take precalculus before attempting calc I again, but that didn't happen.
22:01 <GodTodd> i don't think i'll get that lucky....tho i did ace college algebra in an experimental 5 week course....helped teach half the class ;)
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> right now, calc 2 would be a bottleneck for me, if I had finished general chem and had taken general physics. But since I dropped chem and didn't take physics yet, it's not.
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> algebra's easy. :)
22:02 <GodTodd> yep
22:02 <GodTodd> tho i was the only A and half the class flunked so they scrapped it after that quarter
22:02 <GodTodd> heh
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> so in the fall I'll be taking general chem and general physics, and calc 3. Should be interesting, 2 algebra classes and calc 3.
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> half the class flunked? Why didn't they drop?
22:03 * Lucifer_arma notes that of 30 students or so, only 4 were left to take the calc 1 final
22:03 <GodTodd> they thought they could 'get it' and it's a very narrow drop window in a 5 week course
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> man. that's just wishful thinking. Your GPA doesn't constitute any wishful thinking.
22:03 <GodTodd> nope
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22:04 <GodTodd> tho the whole thing with my ex a few years ago shot my AAS GPA all to hell :/
22:04 <GodTodd> ended up with a 3.289
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> still, how bad can an F hurt you? You have to retake the class anyway or you can't use it as a prerequisite for other classes, so you may as well stick around for a little bit.
22:05 <GodTodd> truly
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they treat F's special?
22:07 <GodTodd> not at MCC they didn't....just a gpa ding and a retake
22:07 <GodTodd> faced that myself once :/
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> I knew a guy last semester who was retaking classes he'd got C's in becuse he needed to raise his GPA to fatten it up for a real admission application
22:08 <GodTodd> yeah...i've seen that
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22:10 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not uncommon, my point was that an F can't hurt that badly compared to dropping the class since you have to retake it anyway,
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> and when you retake it, your new grade replaces your old one, they don't sit side by side
22:11 <n54> yup same here - got you now
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> there are other side effects, depending on your gpa, though. You could wind up on academic probation, and if you don't fix it quickly you could get kicked out
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> if you previously had really good standing (like me :) ), you lose that with an F, but not if you drop it.
22:12 <n54> also similar
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> right, so if you were already a borderline student, especially with only a few credit hours completed, an F probably does hurt a lot compared to a drop
22:12 <n54> at uni-level here it's usual to drop rather than get a really bad grade, it's ok as long as you do it well in advance and not too often
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> same here. There's a ratio of completed vs attempted credit hours you have to keep above a certain level
22:13 <n54> or used to be at least - I didn't get enough experience with the new system to say it's still like that
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> if not, you have to retake classes you attempted. There's a window, too, so you have to have that ratio above a certain level for the previous 3 years or something like that
22:14 <n54> ok here it's sort of simpler (or used to be) as you'ld eventually loose financial support (study.loans and grants etc.)
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I can't see somebody changing that part of the game. Being able to make a tactical retreat, and doing so successfully is part of what we're in college to learn, right? And show that we've learned...
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> you don't get kicked out if that ratio is too low, you lose financial support, but when your degree is awarded, they consider a certain period, and that ratio has to be above a certain level during that period
22:15 <n54> ok
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> if not, no degree, you have to retake classes as needed and change the period to be considered, which might well mean retaking early classes that now fall outside the window
22:16 <n54> that sounds a bit strange to me
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think they're trying to avoid handing out degrees to kids that go to school, take some classes in one degree, decide it's too hard for them, drop those classes, then start on a another degree, do the same thing, etc.
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> If you finish with the degree you set out to get, it's nearly impossible to drop too many classes, unless you're just having a hard time or not cut out for college
22:18 <n54> hmm ok but afew false starts, especially if they're straight from school, isn't that uncommon or strange imo
22:18 <n54> oh college
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> the attitude is that you're better off quitting for awhile and figuring out what you want before starting again
22:18 <n54> sorry was thinking uni :)
22:18 <n54> yup
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> mostly uni = college, eh?
22:18 <n54> that makes sense
22:19 <n54> err, you americans and your strange renaming of everything lol ;)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> it only matters when you say "I went to the College of Engineering". Oh yeah? What university?
22:19 <n54> in the rest of the world college 1= university :)
22:19 <n54> !=*
22:20 <n54> but anyways; ok :)
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure, but I think the earlier withdrawals disappear if you retake the class, but I could be wrong on it. Also, seems like an F or a D should count as a withdrawal in that ratio
22:22 <n54> something is usually seriously wrong if you below C (or 3 many places) anyway
22:22 <n54> you're
22:22 <n54> but I guess in a few cases people can be nunaware of it until they get the result, perhaps that explains it
22:24 * n54 shouldn't speak as he became terrified of exams first time round at university after flowing through the initial one
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> F usually means "didn't show up most of the time and didn't learn anything"
22:24 <n54> f is for "fail" simply, isn't it?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> D usually means the same thing. I agree that you should get at least a C or something's wrong. For me, it should be an A or something's wrong. :)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I was passing chem when I dropped it, heh.
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you have to consider what it takes to get an F
22:25 <n54> s/flowing through/acing
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> you have to basically not have heard any of the lecture. Just hearing it, paying attention, and remembering it should get you to a D
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> with some of the simpler courses like history, many can get C's just by paying attention to the lecture.
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> B and A are supposed to mean "put out extra effort and deserves recognition for it". C means "competent with the material"
22:27 <n54> I always just map a-f to 6-1 (IB) or 1-6 (old uni system here)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, A is a 4. :) B is 3, C is 2, D is 1, and F is 0.
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I guess y'all have an extra grade in there, otherwise it's +1 everything
22:28 <n54> perhaps where you are :)
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know of any american schools that do it differently, but they may be there. :)
22:28 <n54> you don't have e's?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, no e's.
22:28 <n54> never gone to any american school, no idea
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> the issue is transferring. If a school uses a different scale to compute GPA, how does it transfer?
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> So GPA needs to be the same scale. Your universities probably have a conversion from our scale, and vice versa.
22:29 <n54> well actually I've been a teaching assistant for a special class at the american school in singapore... but that doesn't count :D
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> but a university that adopts a different scale is going to basically be shut off in the ass end of nowhere, no matter how good they are.
22:30 <n54> lol that's just plain wrong sorry :)
22:30 <n54> you're talking about all of europe there ;)
22:31 <n54> (at least)
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> umm. If someone starts a school in europe that uses a different scale, how well will the rest of the universities take their transfers?
22:32 <n54> they make conversiion scales and it's usually specific to countries/school systems
22:32 <n54> but they absolutely don't just ignore them :)
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> ? really? So what kind of paperwork nightmare will students face when they try to transfer?
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> The system can accept them all they want, but if the barrier to transfer is too high, people won't do it. Then the new university with the weird scale winds up in the ass end of nowhere.
22:33 <n54> well when I was "courted" in singapore it was pretty easy, the university accepting your application does that work as they decide upon the calculation of grades
22:33 <n54> it's not much work really
22:34 <n54> nope Lucifer it doesn't :)
22:34 <n54> it really isn't such a big problem
22:34 * Lucifer_arma isn't convinced. There's a reason there are standards, after all...
22:34 <n54> ehh hehe look there are standards elsewhere than the us you know, some are quite a bit stricter too ;)
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's easier to transfer in-state because all universities in a given state have the same legislative requirements
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> so people try not to transfer out of state unless they have to. Even so, the transfer usually results in loss of credit from classes that aren't accepted where you go.
22:35 <n54> you don't have a national/federal one? :O
22:35 <n54> yikes sounds as it was easier for me with IB than for you guys
22:35 <n54> not that I could afford it anyway
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking individual classes here. Your GPA is still used to rate you against competitors
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> and taht rating is used regardless of which classes are accepted for credit.
22:36 <n54> oh individual class comparison, hmm well I don't know anything about the us system concerning international applicants on that, only the UK and EU ones (which don't seem to be any problem)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> So if the university you started from has a different scale, and there is no independent third party to certify the conversion given, you just got passed up in favor of kids that can be measured by their GPA
22:38 <n54> but I do know it's next to impossible to get US degrees accepted officially over here in norway at least in a few fields (which is stupid)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> ? isn't it up to employers to decide?
22:38 <n54> no, not certain stuff, especially medical education
22:39 <n54> stuff that requires a valid license
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right. That's similar here. It's the same issue, you hae to have a degree that's visible to the standardizing body
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> if the body doesn't have a view into the education system where you got your degree, again, it doesn't matter how good you are or the school you went to
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> it can't be verified
22:40 <n54> those are exceptions though, usually all this stuff isn't a trouble at all
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a call to tighten restrictions here on medical certifications. There's been a rash of doctors that got degrees in Saudi Arabia and some other places that have done some pretty gnarly things.
22:41 <n54> good that they restrict it then
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> and there are some who say that the damage wouldn't have been as bad if those doctors had been US-educated
22:42 <n54> hopefully true
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully. But do't throw the baby out, some of those doctors come from countries they probably don't really want to live in for good reason, heh. They came to america looking for a better life,
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> let's not bar them from doing that because of where they got their education. Instead, help them to meet the requirements here.
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> still, there's that Indian doctor who was wanted for murder in India because of his practices, and they totally passed over that and let him practice in Seattle. Definitely some systemic problems, there
22:43 <n54> not so sure I agree there, if its found severely lacking then it shouldn't be accepted
22:44 <n54> yup
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> not saying accept the degree, accept the person and put him in school to pick up the differences to he can still practice here.
22:45 <n54> yeah but who'll pay for that? still to some extent that is done here but some times you would end up with people getting a complete reeducation
22:45 <n54> so it isn't done
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know. :) depends on the case, I suppose. Too many factors there, but at least put him on an even playing field with other international students.
22:46 <n54> the only real solution is to aim for international standards
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with international standards, not that I disagree with you, is getting poorer countries to be able to meet them.
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> still, maybe a poorer country would be able to adjust their system so they can meet the lower parts of the standards so at least their graduates can transfer easily internationally.
22:47 <n54> yup, but that's their choice really, a minimum standard isn't really a cost issue
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> basically offer 2-year degrees in lieu of 4-year degrees where the 2-year degrees meet international standards.
22:48 <n54> it's about transparancy
22:48 <n54> and reliability
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not sure. Transparency is a requirement, sure, but there's also minimum level of education. If the school's still teaching bleeding patients, it doesn't matter how transparent they are :)
22:49 <n54> yup it does because then you know they're teaching that
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> (you might laugh, but my wife took my kids to a Japanese doctor who tried to bleed my daughter during her checkup. She never went back to him)
22:49 <n54> depends what you mean by "bleed"
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> my point is the school's medical degree can't meet international standards if that's what they're teaching.
22:49 <GodTodd> bleed == leeches
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't a blood test, he ws just going to cut her arm and have her bleed into the sink.
22:50 <GodTodd> well...that idea anyway
22:50 <n54> sounds like a quack (and japan isn't exactly lacking in good schools)
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> he was an old WWII surgeon, had been practicing for a very long time
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> japan's been through quite a few changes the last 70 years or so, his education predates many of those changes
22:51 <n54> talk about irrelevant example! ;)
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> he might still have been a quack, I wasn't there :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, japan's been rebuilt from the ground up and got the modernizing that went with it. Anybody else get that? Sudan, perhaps?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> congo?
22:52 <n54> lol those are non-states
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, Nigeria. :) My Texas Government teacher was educated by the Peace corps, because Nigeria doesn't have a public education system.
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> Sudan has a government, don't they?
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> Oh wait, they have like 3 governments and that's the problem.
22:53 <n54> well in name only really
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> and when they do have a government? What will that government direct its schools to teach, assuming it builds schools?
22:54 <n54> they have fuckload of people claiming to muslim who arent in the slightest and who like to kill anyone around, especially if they're black or christian <-- their main problem
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that's where your international standards kicks in. :)
22:54 <n54> I don't even know what point you're trying to get at :)
22:55 <n54> international standards are voluntary anyway
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> what would a government with a culture that still thinks female genital mutilation strengthens reproductive health teach in their medical school?
22:55 <n54> nothing that's even close to an international standard - what ar you trying to say+
22:55 <n54> ?*
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> right, they have to be voluntary, but if you want to attract foreign investment, you really need to meet quite a few of them, especially the ones that determine the quality of your workforce
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, then Sudan would have a choice. Meet the international standards and have doctors that are considered skilled in the rest of the world, or don't.
22:56 <n54> only lad & co invests in sudan, I really don't see your point, take a less extreme example :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> Foreign investment gets tied with it.
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> put a skilled workforce in Sudan and a stable government and who else is interested in it?
22:57 <n54> that would take an invasion ;) or about fifty years at least
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> not really important to the discussion. :) I guess my point is that your international stndards give them something to aim for that they can use to measure their own progress
22:57 <n54> and the "government" there is already crying foul over a few thousand UN and AU troops
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> same is true for other countries.
22:57 <n54> yes it gives them a choice
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> Qadaffi's managed to turn Libya around a bit, and he wants to attract foreign investment into Africa. How's he going to get that?
22:58 <n54> and it does work for the rest of the somewhat civililzed world
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> one way is by reforming Libyan schools. He's worked hard on that.
22:58 <n54> yup Gadhaffi actually has done wuite a lot of good
22:58 <n54> quite*
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same issue anywhere. Texas education standards have helped attract quite a few investors into the state.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> Other states with lower/nonexistant standards tend to lose investors, which means shitty economies (simple terms, here, obviously)
22:59 <n54> yes I would imagine it has, it is a simple fairly foolprooflogic to it
23:00 <n54> has*
23:00 <n54> another stellar example would he the asian tiger economies
23:00 <n54> be*
23:00 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know much about those
23:01 <n54> and some african nations are actually doing pretty well too, at least in some areas
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> those the economies based on prostitution? ;)
23:01 <n54> eh?
23:01 <n54> you haven't heard of the asian tiger economies?
23:01 <n54> or was that about arican countries?
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> not in those terms.
23:01 <n54> african*
23:01 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know
23:01 * n54 wonders wtf luci is talking about now
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is that a country that welcomes foreign investment and isn't stuck in a civil war is probably improving right now
23:02 <n54> angola
23:02 <n54> sar of course
23:02 <n54> nigeria actually, although they still have a long way to go
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, there's an issue here about whether or not a person is guilty of pedophilia/statutory rape if he's overseas and sleeps with a prostitue in a place where it's legal for her age
23:03 <n54> it's illegal
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> naturally what goes along with that is the idea that prostitution is so widespread in some of the southeast asian countries that their economies are based on it
23:03 <n54> heh bullshit
23:04 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know the specific facts of the issue, just that it's been brought up in the last 5 years or so
23:04 <n54> you might be thinking of one country and one country alone; thailand
23:04 <n54> still it's not based on it
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's somewhat obviously a joke, except there are people around here who really do think that most southeast asian countries' economies are based on american tourism
23:06 <n54> outside south east asia I would think the phillipines has problems with prostitution too but to say that either country has an economy based on it is.... *no word*
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> note that these are the same people who complain about all electronics coming from asia
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> Asia isn't a place to them, it's just one of those magical places that produces DVD players, computers, and people for them to hate
23:06 <n54> yeah nad the morons in europe think the us lives off war, what can I say, stupid people everywhere :)
23:06 <n54> and*
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> of course, these are the same people that arranged huge supply drops for the tsunami victims a couple of years ago
23:08 <n54> not liek they were the only ones ;) but yeah
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> then they couldn't find anybody to take them, right away. Eventually they managed to get the stuff sent over, though.
23:08 <n54> stupid != not nice
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, of course not. Plenty of people willing to help. :)
23:09 <n54> :)
23:09 <n54> actually the US navy did a tremendous job from the get-go
23:09 <n54> in indonesia
23:10 * n54 doesn't recall the name of the aircraft carrier
23:13 <n54> which is very nice considering that north-western area of indonesia is the one with most islamist tendencies (or at least used to be)
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.3 * 44100
23:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.3 * 44,100 = 13,230
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> #g 13230/512
23:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 13,230 / 512 = 25.8398438
23:17 <spidey> stop using the bot as a calculator :p
23:17 <n54> it's very handy
23:18 <n54> and much faster than loading an entire page or opening a calculator prog
23:18 <spidey> #g 123+321*456/654
23:18 <armabot> spidey: 123 + ((321 * 456) / 654) = 346.816514
23:18 <n54> see? :) *loves that feature*
23:18 <spidey> lol
23:19 <n54> I say go for it :)
23:21 <spidey> #g 987*654+321-123+456*789
23:21 <armabot> spidey: (987 * 654) + 321 - 123 + (456 * 789) = 1,005,480
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> yes, the bot is a much handier calculator, but I do frequently use a python interpreter too.
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> what I just computed is that in the trunk, you can set sound_buffer_size as high as 25 and only get 300 milliseconds of latency in sound.
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> so if your computer is really slow, you should have playable sound at that upper limit.
23:24 <n54> cool, yeah if python is already "invoked" that's fast too
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what's closer to me, my terminal window or my irc window :)
23:24 <n54> :)
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> remind me to work out some way to time a build. I'd like to compare the time to build using "make", and using "make -j4" with distcc
23:31 * spidey is watching the alien interview
23:32 <n54> wrap it in a timer? not sure exactly how/which timer
23:32 <n54> cron might be enough?
23:32 * n54 takes a look
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> just a simple bash script that gets the time before certain steps and calls them should suffice.
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> and afterwards, of course, and then computes the time taken
23:33 <n54> ok
23:35 <n54> at -m might be all to it
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23:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I just found time, finding at still (it's farther down the page)
23:38 <n54> ok I just snooped through a few obsd man pages on a whim
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, at is for scheduling
23:39 <n54> *looks up time*
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/timedate.html
23:39 <n54> yes it is but it will give you a strat (specified by you and -m mails you afterwards which will include a timestamp)
23:40 <n54> sorry I'll stick to the obsd stuff since I'm trying to get familiar with it :)
23:40 <n54> ah yeah time should be it
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a bunch of ogg encoding jobs running right now, not a very good measurement available until that's done
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> then I'm gonna go tear up fortress a bit
23:42 <n54> according to the version I'mr eading about it reports system overhead which should include "everything else" imo
23:43 <n54> or at least it's specific as to how much time whatever it is timing took, not everything else
23:45 <n54> hmm any idea what rusage might refer to? resource usage?
23:46 <n54> sorry nevermind, found out and it is :)
23:52 <n54> meh I annoy the hell out of myself right now, hope I haven't annoyed you guys too and if so I apologize - cya all :)
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--- Day changed Mon Jun 05 2006
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> kaudiocreator should collapse to the system tray
00:13 <Luke-Jr> http://www.green-globe.com/
00:13 <Luke-Jr> Imma buy 4x3 blocks for $480 and build a home there >:)
00:13 <Luke-Jr> maybe a bit bigger
00:14 <Luke-Jr> sure, the website says it's not allowed... but if I'm the legal owner, screw them =p
00:33 <spidey> it never fails
00:33 <spidey> i get the totally shitty team in fortress :(
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> let that be a lesson, don't delete the old directory until the CD is done ripping
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> it got stuck 87% in the song Youthenasia, which is like the best song on the album
00:52 <spidey> lol
01:07 <spidey> #g 25455+70964+28764
01:07 <armabot> spidey: 25,455 + 70,964 + 28,764 = 125,183
01:07 <spidey> #g 125183/2
01:07 <armabot> spidey: 125,183 / 2 = 62,591.5
01:09 <spidey> 69234+76212+59904
01:09 <spidey> gr
01:10 <spidey> #g 69234+76212+59904
01:10 <armabot> spidey: 69,234 + 76,212 + 59,904 = 205,350
01:10 <spidey> #g 205250/2
01:10 <armabot> spidey: 205,250 / 2 = 102,625
01:14 <spidey> #g 106964+41870+25282
01:14 <armabot> spidey: 106,964 + 41,870 + 25,282 = 174,116
01:15 <spidey> 174116/2
01:15 <spidey> #g 174116/2
01:15 <armabot> spidey: 174,116 / 2 = 87,058
01:33 <spidey> you break it luci?
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> looks like wrtlprnft might have changed something that broke the old map, but my map looks just like his in the cockpit file
01:35 <spidey> heh
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> this sucks
01:36 <spidey> radar for tron is nice,would stop me from glancing and dying
01:36 <spidey> lol
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft the map is broke. Won't show at all from my cockpit file. Weird thing is, the default map works fine.
01:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't stop you from glancing and dying. :)
01:36 <spidey> lmao
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's mostly because it's a map of the whole grid. I'd like to change it to behave more like a radar (configurable, of course)
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going in without a map, and will likely be somewhat crippled. I've grown to depend on it a lot.
01:37 <spidey> hehehe
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> found the change
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft looks like the line antialiasing thing you committed is what broke it. The map is there, it's just very dim.
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning
01:55 <spidey> hi
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02:42 <luke-jr_> How good a dual is a Xeon 550 MHz w/ 100 GB RAID and 1 GB DDR RAM for $250?
02:43 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know
02:54 <luke-jr_> How good a deal is*
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03:18 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know how good a deal is *
03:26 <spidey> hahaha
03:26 <spidey> i just pissed one of my soldat admins off
03:26 <spidey> :)
03:27 <spidey> they like to admin kill the bots,so i made a script that kills them when they use it
03:27 <spidey> i might change it to a kick
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04:38 <Luke-Jr> hrm
04:38 <Luke-Jr> AA froze my system twice in a row :/
04:39 <Luke-Jr> it'd be kinda cool to find a use for Myst music ;)
04:49 <joda_bot> hi Luke-Jr
04:49 <joda_bot> So you suggest customizing armagetronad by environment variables ?
04:50 <joda_bot> If I understood wrtlprnft forwarded message
04:54 <Luke-Jr> no
04:54 <Luke-Jr> well, sortof
04:54 <Luke-Jr> could be implemented using env vars or just acting similar
04:55 <Luke-Jr> the game would set its hardcoded name when it starts of course
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05:00 <Luke-Jr> hm, think I located my sound problem
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> what is it?
05:03 <Luke-Jr> well, it seems OSS emulation was near-muted
05:03 <Luke-Jr> however, now that it's fixed, I still get absolutely nothing from AA
05:06 <Luke-Jr> I suspect if I got back to the crackling stage, it'd work
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> fool with sound_buffer_size
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think you have to restart between changes
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> x * 512 = 64 gets you back to where it was
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64/512
05:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 / 512 = 0.125
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> set sound_buffer_size to 0.125 :)
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you hve to restart between changes, that value is only used once
05:09 <Luke-Jr> where am I supposed to fool with it?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> console?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> it should be saved to user.cfg
05:09 <Luke-Jr> o
05:10 <Luke-Jr> 25 did nothing
05:11 <Luke-Jr> same w/ 0.125
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> you restarted between changes
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> ?
05:14 * Lucifer_arma is downloading neverball source right now to see what they do different
05:15 <Luke-Jr> yes
05:16 <Luke-Jr> once upon a time, it did work for me =p
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> neverball is just 1 channel sound?!?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try this:
05:19 <Luke-Jr> dunno
05:19 <Luke-Jr> my leads were correct
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> line 275 in eSoundMixer.cpp is this:
05:19 <Luke-Jr> SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa" works
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> rc = Mix_OpenAudio( frequency, AUDIO_S16LSB,
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> change it to:
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> rc = Mix_OpenAudio( frequency, MIX_DEFAULT_FORMAT,
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> if that works, commit. :)
05:20 <Luke-Jr> engine/eSoundMixer.cpp:273: warning: converting to `int' from `float'
05:20 <Luke-Jr> FYI
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> fine, afaik
05:21 <Luke-Jr> it didn't work
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> it multiplies a float times a constant and assigns to an int
05:21 * Luke-Jr suggests explicit casting ;p
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> well I'm stumped for now. I wonder if it has something to do with being athlon64 instead, but the change you just made should have brought it in line with whatever sdl_mixer was compiled with
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> and makes it almost identical to what neverball does
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> how many output channels does your soundcard have?
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05:23 <Luke-Jr> 6?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> SOUNDCHANNELS 6 ?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> SOUND_CHANNELS 6
05:24 <Luke-Jr> no idea?
05:24 <Luke-Jr> o
05:24 <Luke-Jr> yes, I think I have that
05:24 <Luke-Jr> yes
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer doesn't actually know, you just pump in a number and hope it works
05:25 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: When will we have the cycle's engine noise back ?
05:25 * Lucifer_arma grumbles about sdl_sound not being able to figure it out
05:25 <joda_bot> or does it work for you ?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: gonna be a little while. I'm restructuring the thing on account of I had an epiphany about how badly I was designing it
05:26 <joda_bot> ok ;)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> in the future there will be a sSmallMixer class that game objects will carry around with them
05:27 <joda_bot> It's really amazing how much I got used to this humming noise ... I really get surprised by some attacks without the sound indicating someone approaching
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> I figure I'm going to factor all existing sound code, even the old stuff, into 3 modules. base, sdl, and sdl_mixer, and that should bring the engine back
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I never played with sound before there was music. :) So I don't miss the cycle noise...
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll work on my special loaders, libmad, libvorbis directly, maybe even libflac, libsndfile. After that, I can start in on the openAl stuff, but by then we should have everything we had before + music already
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, a good sound system is dependency hell, and some people don't care about sound. So I'd like them not to suffer dependency hell if they don't have to, but those of us that want a really good system can pay the price.
05:30 <joda_bot> Might be a good idea to first get the more powerful parts designed or coded
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> (and I've already got all those dependencies installed anyway)
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> more powerful parts?
05:30 <joda_bot> Once you have a working openal implementation running, the other sound backend with less capabilites should be easy
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, yeah, except that to get there there's a whole ton of work, in the meantime you're stuck with what you've got now
05:31 <joda_bot> :-)
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> some of it depends on how much work doing a given thing with sdl_mixer might be. That's why I'm wanting to resurrect the old code and factor it into its own space,
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> so I can work there instead. See, for openAL, I need loaders for all the audio file formats, openAL doesn't provide them.
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> that means I have to write them. :)
05:32 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: or we can just detect what we support at build time...
05:32 <Luke-Jr> eg, only support FLAC if we have libflac
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> then I have to test with an unfamiliar api. Instead I'd like to test with a known working system, i.e. SDL
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: yeah, that's roughly my plan. First check if the user wants sound compiled at all, then see what libraries are there, then build as much as possible
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> output gentle warnings indicating that "to get better sound, you should install <this>"
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, our binaries should be built with everything as much as possible. If we can do so without having the program fail to load if dependencies aren't satisfied.
05:34 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: of course, if they use --with-flac, make that an error ;)
05:34 <Luke-Jr> oh, that's always possible
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> right, exactly. :)
05:34 <Luke-Jr> just ugly
05:34 <Luke-Jr> you'd need to use dlopen and such
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm. I suspected as much. Maybe we'll statically link openAL. I think libmad and libvorbis are reasonable to expect a user to already have. :)
05:35 <Luke-Jr> and have your own internal headers
05:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: phew, while reading I thought you really want to code the file format loaders yourself ;)
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yeah? You mean decode the compressed music myself?
05:36 <Luke-Jr> C is ugly for dynamic linking
05:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: ?
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05:36 <joda_bot> Shouldn't the libraries take care of the decoding ?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> I have to code the loaders myself--using libvorbis, libmad, et al.
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer uses smpeg, which sucks ass, really.
05:36 <joda_bot> yeah, sure it's adapters to the libraries right ?
05:37 <joda_bot> ok .. no clue ;)
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm. You can call it whatever you want, joda, but it's "load this stuff from disc and put it in memory"
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's a loader to me
05:37 <joda_bot> :-)
05:37 <Luke-Jr> #ifdef FWFLASH_INCLUDE_TYPEDEFS
05:37 <Luke-Jr> # define API(return, fname, ...) typedef return(*fname)(__VA_ARGS__);
05:37 <Luke-Jr> #else
05:37 <Luke-Jr> # define API(return, fname, ...) extern return fname (__VA_ARGS__);
05:37 <Luke-Jr> #endif
05:37 <joda_bot> It's just not you doing the decoding part ;)
05:37 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: mmap is better, IMO
05:37 <joda_bot> or your code
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, shit no, why would I do that? That's what libraries are for!
05:38 <Luke-Jr> hehe
05:38 <joda_bot> right, and that was what I thought while reading the first few lines :-)
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> we might need to bundle libsamplerate too. I want to use that to resample, it's probably waaaay better than whatever sdl uses (unless sdl uses it already)
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't know that I've ever seen it as a package for a distribution. Could be wrong...
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> so what else do we need for 0.3?
05:51 <Luke-Jr> we don't *need* anything, other than testing
05:51 <Luke-Jr> well, not even testing... just not broken
05:52 <Luke-Jr> 0.3 has no feature requirements, tho
05:52 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: why change the sample rate unless we do actual mixing?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> so what's broken? i.e. how soon can we release it?
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: well, we will do actual mixing at some point, I'm sure. The point of changing the sample rate is to improve performance by using a lower sample rate
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> that means if we're loading the samples ourselves, we need to change them from what they were to what we want.
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> music is a different story, there's no point to resampling on the fly for the sake of performance
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> and you don't load music into memory and resample it there in a cache
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> so the point of resampling music on the fly is only to allow it to mix with sound effects that were resampled at load time
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's a tradeoff, really. I intend to store our sound effects as 22.05khz ogg vorbis files, which makes them really really small and lets us cram more in a distribution
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to be able to resample those to 44.1khz to match music
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer seems to have no problem resampling vorbis files, but it won't resample mp3
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> so maybe I can give it a libmad loader that resamples for us
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> libsamplerate is really really fast, and high quality to boot
05:56 <Luke-Jr> MIDI makes them really really small and flawless music quality ;)
05:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: if you need help with resampling, a friend of mine reimplements various codecs and sample stuff in his free time
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> flawless mediocre music quality
05:57 <joda_bot> he's really good at that...
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> midi also requires the user (in linux) to download a 64MB sample set
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I'll keep that in mind, but libsamplerate is already written, well-tested, GPL, etc.
05:57 <Luke-Jr> or use hardware acceleration
05:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: for 0.3 I might add customizable teamname support
05:58 <Luke-Jr> tho for all I know hardware MIDI sucks
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> you see Luke-Jr, there is no hardware midi in linux. SDL_mixer uses timidity to render it
05:58 <joda_bot> z-man: Should the network protocol version be upgraded for that ?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's cpu intensive, more so than mod or vorbis
05:58 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: pretty sure OSS supports MIDI
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> pretty sure it doesn't
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> even alsa doesn't
05:58 <Luke-Jr> I don't doubt ALSA lacks it
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, some cards, but very very few
05:58 <joda_bot> z-man: because syncing a player also sends the player's prefered teamname then
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> oss doesn't either
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's why timidity was written in the first place
05:59 <joda_bot> hm, seems not be here ;)
05:59 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: note appended data doesn't usually break old stuff
05:59 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: it does not except someone else extends the protocol wihtout increasing the version ;)
05:59 <joda_bot> or whatever
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> oss = crap. alsa = ruling sound system. neither have midi
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> timidity sounds real nice, but it's cpu intensive. I don't think anybody's going to be willing to give up framerate for midi music, but they might be willing to do so for good vorbis or mp3 music
06:00 <joda_bot> I could even keep the player syncs as they are
06:00 <joda_bot> and just send a "/teamname name" chat command ;)
06:00 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: the MIDI howto says you lie
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> link?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> link?
06:01 <Luke-Jr> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/MIDI-HOWTO.html#s6
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it only says I lie when you take what I'm saying out of context
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you can hook up a midi instrument to your sound card and expect support for it
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's fundamentally different than pumping a midi file into the soundcard and expecting it to play it for you
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06:04 <Lucifer_arma> you can do that with alsa (not oss afaik), but to hear the music you have to plugin a midi instrument
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> which is *not* what we're talking about doing
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking about using a soundcard's onboard synth to play the midi file, which is not supported, and nowhere do I see in this howto how to set it up
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> last I checked, only a very few cards were supported, and to get those to work you first had to find a firmware to stick on them
06:06 <Luke-Jr> amidi -l
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, sdl doesn't support that stuff. It uses timidity, and afaik, openAL doesn't bother with it
06:06 <Luke-Jr> ok
06:06 <Luke-Jr> so why does KMid play via /dev/sequencer?
06:06 <Luke-Jr> /dev/sequencer is OSS
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> timidity has a daemon mode where it accepts midi events through /dev/sequencer
06:07 <Luke-Jr> so?
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'd assume that's why. oss had a /dev/sequencer device, but it only worked for the paid drivers, I think
06:07 <Luke-Jr> and ALSA emulation =p
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> right, but all that does is send midi events to the network
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> you have to have a synth to play it
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> timidity will receive events and play it, it's a synth
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> there are others, timidity isn't really preferred by the hardcore music people
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> because it doesn't support soundfonts
06:08 <Luke-Jr> o
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot the name of the one people prefer, I use timidity :)
06:09 <Luke-Jr> well, anyway
06:09 <Luke-Jr> does any OS lack MIDI support by default? =p
06:09 <Luke-Jr> other than Gentoo
06:09 <Luke-Jr> 64 MB isn't much if you already have it
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, for our purposes, using midi files is supported by all os's. ON windows, hardware synth is used if it's there.
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> we can rely on the patch set being there for most people, but we have to get back to performance
06:10 <Luke-Jr> MIDI is worse for performance than Vorbis?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> which is that timidity takes a lot of cpu cycles compared to vorbis or libmad
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> timidity is
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> which is what sdl_mixer uses
06:10 <Luke-Jr> hrm
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> we're better off using mod files in that case
06:11 <Luke-Jr> oh well
06:11 <Luke-Jr> maybe someday
06:11 <Luke-Jr> I'm not familiar with mod
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> mod is very nice. :) Except that I don't like working with either mod or midi
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> mod is midi without the crappy sounds, it includes its instruments in the file
06:11 <Luke-Jr> my experience with mod = MegaZeux used it for music
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's very common for games precisely because it was invented for games
06:12 <Luke-Jr> does it support dependencies/includes?
06:12 <Luke-Jr> eg, myinstruments.mod used by music.mod
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not that I know of
06:12 <Luke-Jr> I'd think so if it was designed for games...
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> there are XM instrument files
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> but when you use them in a mod file, the instruments get embedded
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> the file is optimized for loading into memory and then seeking/skipping around
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> it was designed on a 7mhz processor with 4 8-bit sound channels
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> max sampling rate of 22.05khz (when designed)
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that big of a deal when you see what the instruments are, and every mod format has a compression algorithm of some sort for the instruments
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> cheesy, but we're talking about 1-2k samples
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> (ok, samples are actually a bit bigger than that)
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer supports them. If you can get a converter for your midi file, we're better off going with mod for the midis you want :)
06:21 <joda_bot> uhm, mod's are fine to play some amiga style music, but adding a simple midi support does not hurt (IMHO) even if it's slow without tainted kernel support or due to software emulation
06:21 <joda_bot> sdl does not support midi ?
06:22 <Luke-Jr> OMG
06:22 <Luke-Jr> MegaZeux was ported to Linux
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer supports several mod formats, midi, vorbis, and mp3
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I think you need to update your information on mod files, there are some beautiful mods available :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.modarchive.com/
06:24 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I've used and made some mods, I know their capabilites ;)
06:25 <joda_bot> axel_f is old classic ;)
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> apparently not. :) You can make mods that are indistinguishable in quality from a recorded piece of music
06:25 * joda_bot might scare Lucifer_arma by sending him an old composition ;)
06:25 <joda_bot> Not with the classic mod formats ;)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> old isn't good enough, how about something using recent mod tools?
06:26 <joda_bot> might be they've extented it
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> we're not talking classic mod formats, we're talking what's in current use
06:26 <joda_bot> oh alright
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> they've been extended to support cd quality sound.
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> which is all we're talking about anyway
06:26 <joda_bot> ah, I thought we're talking about the old format and never knew they've changed the standard
06:27 <joda_bot> I knew there are other formats around xm... anothers but mod always was the same to me
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> never was a standard. :) There's just 4-5 different formats out there, and we're limited only by what mikmod supports
06:27 <joda_bot> 64 patterns of 256 notes or something along the lines, can't remember
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the classic mod format hasn't changed, it's still sucky. But that's not what's generally meant anymore when you say "mod". You're including xm and it and some others
06:28 <joda_bot> ah alright :-)
06:28 * Lucifer_arma never used a mod program that limited you to 64 notes in a pattern
06:28 <joda_bot> not 64 notes
06:28 <joda_bot> ah it's called tacts
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> 64 was always the default, but you could always change it. Of course, I used MED back in the day on the amiga, which was more powerful than soundtracker on the pc
06:28 <joda_bot> one pattern is limited to certain amount of tacts
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> but you can change it
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> and each pattern can be different
06:29 <joda_bot> with my classic modedit dos tool that was not possible
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> also, by changed the tempo of a pattern, you can get the timing you want anyway. The only catch was getting triplets
06:29 <joda_bot> sure and repeated and arragend
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> the only problem was the way different tones were constructed, but you can use different samples in an instrument now, in xm at least
06:30 <joda_bot> I wrote a pascal tool, that reads the mod file and outputs a note sheet in ascii
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> and soundtracker on linux works very well
06:30 <joda_bot> note sheet = displaying the pattern and notes
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I want a good midi->mod converter for linux
06:30 <joda_bot> no idea
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I can compose music with rosegarden just fine, the staff-based editor is useful to me. But the standard tracker editor is not useful to me. :(
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> be even better if I had a midi pickup on my guitar. :) Then I could just play the music.
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/T/talkshow.s3m <--- interesting
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> amarok plays mods on my machine
06:36 <Luke-Jr> um
06:36 <Luke-Jr> anyhow
06:37 <Luke-Jr> MegaZeux is cool
06:37 <Luke-Jr> :)
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06:39 <joda_bot> hi Nixda777 ;)
06:39 <Nixda777> guten morgen ;) hi folks....
06:39 <Nixda777> ... if anyone else is out there...
06:39 <joda_bot> ?!
06:39 <joda_bot> ;)
06:39 <joda_bot> I already said hi ;)
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06:40 <joda_bot> O.o
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06:41 <joda_bot> test
06:41 <joda_bot> hm, works for me
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06:42 <joda_bot> that interface needs a javascript test ;)
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06:43 <Luke-Jr> MegaZeux for Linux
06:43 <Luke-Jr> ... such great news
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06:49 <Lucifer_arma> wow, that one was pretty cool
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/D/dansze.xm <--- this one's good
06:52 <Luke-Jr> MegaZeux!
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> wake me when there's Ebonstar
06:53 <joda_bot> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/23/fun-with-physics-oblivions-domino-effect/
06:54 <joda_bot> just say / post something random
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> after you listen to that second mod file I linked :)
06:58 <joda_bot> foobar plays it fine, but it does not show any samples for it
06:58 <joda_bot> is it still a mod ?
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a mod. xm
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> amarok reports the size at really really big
07:01 <joda_bot> hm, perhaps xm uses generated samples
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> no, xm uses regular samples like everybody else
07:04 <joda_bot> strange thought foobar would display those then
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> many players have problems with mod files for some reason, where they won't display the contents right but have no problem playing them
07:04 <joda_bot> it does so for mod
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> mod != xm
07:04 <joda_bot> I know I know
07:04 <joda_bot> but the concept is similiar ?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> they're the same thing, just different formats. So it's like your media player showing id3 tags just fine, but can't show id2 tags. In either case, it plays the song just fine...
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I know, people use instrument names to store song credits.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> amarok didn't even let me see that, though. Heh. Just gave the wrong file size and played the song
07:07 <joda_bot> :-)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> that song struck me as a good fortress goalie song. :) I emailed the author to ask if we can have it and some of his other songs.
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I expect he'll say no, most musicians I've talked to object to music being distributed under GPL-like terms :(
07:09 <joda_bot> I guess we just have to ask for it, and some people will love to make some music
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> the only person in the community who's stepped up to the plate was raoul duke, and he left.
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I posted in the mod archive forums.
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> We're basically either waiting for someone to appear and give us music, or me to find time to make it.
07:10 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think people are going to be happy if his music is all that ships with the game
07:12 <joda_bot> It'll only work with a bit of advertisement
07:12 <joda_bot> and most people will probably want to test their tracks somehow
07:13 <joda_bot> so either you explain the requirements , e.g. loopable songs playable for special events
07:13 <joda_bot> like X-wing used event based music
07:13 <joda_bot> If a enemy fleet entered the game it played the dark empire tracks ;)
07:14 <joda_bot> or just request free songs
07:14 <joda_bot> I might ask for some music on tron-sector.com forums
07:14 <joda_bot> it's a pretty tron addicted community
07:14 <joda_bot> and they are focused on the original game or tron 2.0
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> sure, just make sure that people understand that we get the last say on what we use and they shouldn't be disappointed if we don't pick their music
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> right now and for the foreseeable future it's just playlist stuff. We also need a title theme to play when the app starts.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, it's just playlist stuff. The music ideally would be loopable as well, and we may ultimately throw out music that doesn't loop, but right now it has to fit into a playlist
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't have to match what's around it terribly, we can work out a system to match music together.
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so you're not listening to somewhat contradictory styles of music. This isn't a problem for me, but might be for some.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you're hearing speed metal, you can reasonably expect the next song not to be dixieland jazz, for example. :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (1/4)^2 )
07:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((1 / 4)^2) = 0.998047511
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (1/2)^2 )
07:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((1 / 2)^2) = 0.968912422
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (3/4)^2 )
07:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((3 / 4)^2) = 0.845924499
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( 1 )
07:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos(1) = 0.540302306
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 + 2*0.998 + 2*0.9689 + 2*0.8459 + 0.5403
07:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 + (2 * 0.998) + (2 * 0.9689) + (2 * 0.8459) + 0.5403 = 7.1659
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1 + 2*0.998 + 2*0.9689 + 2*0.8459 + 0.5403) * 8
07:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 + (2 * 0.998) + (2 * 0.9689) + (2 * 0.8459) + 0.5403) * 8 = 57.3272
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (1/8)^2 )
07:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((1 / 8)^2) = 0.999877932
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (3/8)^2 )
07:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((3 / 8)^2) = 0.990128588
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (5/8)^2 )
07:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((5 / 8)^2) = 0.924671261
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos( (7/8)^2 )
07:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: cos((7 / 8)^2) = 0.720949381
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.9999*1/4 + 0.9901*1/4 + 0.9247*1/4 + 0.7209*1/4
07:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((0.9999 * 1) / 4) + ((0.9901 * 1) / 4) + ((0.9247 * 1) / 4) + ((0.7209 * 1) / 4) = 0.9089
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1/4)/2
07:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 4) / 2 = 0.125
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 7.1659/8
07:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 7.1659 / 8 = 0.8957375
07:36 * Lucifer_arma spams the irc channel with more math
07:42 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: on windows the app blocks and plays the intro music and then displays the splash ...
07:43 <joda_bot> not sure why the splash gets delays for so long
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> blocks? YOu should be able to hit a key to close the splash early...
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> it might be delayed loading something
07:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: fixed the map
07:45 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: it's delaying for about 2 seconds atleast
07:46 <joda_bot> music is playing
07:46 <wrtlprnft> it wasn't the antialiasing that broke it, it was some opengl lines i commented out since they looked unncessary, the map worked without them in the default and my cockpit file
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: that's gotta be some initialization or something. Maybe drop some comments in there to see what's taking so long?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ah, ok. I reverted my local file so I could play. :)
07:49 * Lucifer_arma wonders what's so different about his cockpit file that the map broke
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes calculus is really annoying
07:53 <wrtlprnft> maybe it depends on what the last rendered widget was
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07:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.00752134/8 + 0.1927708/8 + 0.80139415/8 + 1.8528054/8 + 3.0628007/8 + 3.8767477/8 + 3.6198073/8 + 1.6923026/8
07:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (0.00752134 / 8) + (0.1927708 / 8) + (0.80139415 / 8) + (1.8528054 / 8) + (3.0628007 / 8) + (3.8767477 / 8) + (3.6198073 / 8) + (1.6923026 / 8) = 1.88826875
07:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind updating and checing if it really disappeared for you?
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> fixed, thanks :)
07:57 <wrtlprnft> :)
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07:58 <Lucifer_arma> have you updated the NEWS file yet?
07:58 * Lucifer_arma thinks he put all his news in there, but may have missed something
08:00 <wrtlprnft> not yet
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, simpson's rule doesn't look as a annoying as I thought it would look.
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08:13 <Lucifer_arma> these pencils suck. Every lead in them was broken on purchase. Luckily I have extras, but still!
08:20 <wrtlprnft> complain and demand new ones!
08:20 <wrtlprnft> ok, what do i put in news now
08:20 <wrtlprnft> tab completion, cockpit, font, anything else?
08:21 <Luke-Jr> MegaZeux
08:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:21 <Luke-Jr> for Linux
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4*0.0590146 + 2*0.43617901 + 4*1.2822645 + 2*2.4674011 + 4*3.5618459 + 2*3.9256111 + 4*2.8917152
08:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (4 * 0.0590146) + (2 * 0.43617901) + (4 * 1.2822645) + (2 * 2.4674011) + (4 * 3.5618459) + (2 * 3.9256111) + (4 * 2.8917152) = 44.8377432
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, while you're in there, can you add "/console chat command" ?
08:21 <wrtlprnft> ok
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> std::string change
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> do we use utf8 internally now, or still working on it?
08:22 <wrtlprnft> stuill working
08:23 <wrtlprnft> that is, i have no idea on how to convert from utf-8 to utf-16
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: guru3 Luke-Jr z-man update NEWS file :)
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> do we need to do that conversion?
08:23 <Luke-Jr> no
08:23 <Luke-Jr> UTF-16 is useless
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> #g (pi/24)*44.8377432
08:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (pi / 24) * 44.8377432 = 5.86924686
08:24 <wrtlprnft> we do need it
08:24 <wrtlprnft> FTGL only seems to take utf-16
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> does utf-16 collapse to utf8?
08:25 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:25 <z-man> heh, right, forgot about std::string ;)
08:25 * Lucifer_arma wonders if you can just pad the extra bytes with 0s
08:25 * z-man thought he hadn't touched the trunk at all
08:26 <Luke-Jr> UTF-16 is 16-bit chars
08:26 <wrtlprnft> I don't think so
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> so z-man, using the midpoint rule to estimate the definite integral I get 1.88somestuff, and using Simpson's rule, I get 5.89someotherstuff
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> do I need to worry? :)
08:26 <Luke-Jr> what if we want to use characters beyond the 16-bit boundary?
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> the function is x^2 sin(x)
08:26 <wrtlprnft> no clue...
08:27 <z-man> What is simpson's rule again?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> and the interval is 0->pi
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> using parabolas to estimate the value of a definite integral
08:27 <z-man> Hmm, that integral looks like it's exactly solvable
08:28 <z-man> are you using the rules for the whole interval?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> it is, I'm supposed to compare the two estimates to the exact value. working on the exact value right now
08:29 <z-man> In that case, since sin(x) has a good maximum at pi/2, it would be expected that the midpoint rule (was that "evaluate the integrand at the middle of the interval" would give you more.
08:29 <Luke-Jr> z-man: someone ported MegaZeux to Linux :)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> midpoint rule is making a bunch of rectangles under the graph, using the midpoint of the interval determined by the number of rectangles
08:29 <z-man> what is MegaZeux?
08:30 <Luke-Jr> a GCS
08:30 <z-man> And that is?
08:31 <Luke-Jr> game creation system
08:32 <z-man> Oh great.
08:33 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: how are you fitting the parabola in simpson's rule?
08:34 <z-man> Through the midpoint and the edge points of the interval (so here, it would match the function at 0, pi/2 and pi)?
08:34 <wrtlprnft> ok, added my news, too :)
08:34 <joda_bot> is there need to hurry ?
08:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: haha, i found that warning in eSound, too :P
08:34 <wrtlprnft> didn
08:35 <wrtlprnft> *was planning to fix it with my next commit
08:35 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: if so, it should give you 2/3 the value of the midpoint rule here, because your function is zero at the ends.
08:35 <joda_bot> because I'll have check the teamname stuff for behaviour changes
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, the lecture just showed us to use parabolas to approximate the graph, integrate the parabolas instead, and then memorize this formula that does it for us :)
08:36 <z-man> #g pi ^ 3 / 4
08:36 <armabot> z-man: (pi^3) / 4 = 7.75156917
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> so you take the same deltax and use the left and right side where it intersects the graph, then the midpoint, and use those three points to make the parabola
08:36 <z-man> That's what I get for the midpoint rule
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> or, use this nice formula :)
08:36 * Lucifer_arma wonders if we're using the same terminology for this
08:36 <z-man> I think so, yes.
08:37 <z-man> At least I understand what you're saying :)
08:37 <z-man> The function values in question are f(0) = 0, f(pi) = 0, and f(pi/2) = (pi/2)^2
08:37 <z-man> so the midpoint rule should give pi * f(pi/2), which I just fed to google
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I left something out. For n=8 rectangles
08:37 <z-man> ah
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> :)
08:38 <z-man> then your results should be more similar and you should be worried :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> they get 5.932957 in the back of the book
08:38 <z-man> The function is rather smooth.
08:39 <z-man> Perhaps you should compare your results interval by interval?
08:40 <wrtlprnft> away school
08:40 <wrtlprnft> oops
08:40 <wrtlprnft> /away school
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.00752134/8 + 0.1927708/8 + 0.80139415/8 + 1.8528054/8 + 3.0628007/8 + 3.8767477/8 + 3.6198073/8 + 1.6923026/8
08:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (0.00752134 / 8) + (0.1927708 / 8) + (0.80139415 / 8) + (1.8528054 / 8) + (3.0628007 / 8) + (3.8767477 / 8) + (3.6198073 / 8) + (1.6923026 / 8) = 1.88826875
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I see my mistake now
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I left the pi out of the delta x
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.00752134pi/8 + 0.1927708pi/8 + 0.80139415pi/8 + 1.8528054pi/8 + 3.0628007pi/8 + 3.8767477pi/8 + 3.6198073pi/8 + 1.6923026pi/8
08:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((0.00752134 * pi) / 8) + ((0.1927708 * pi) / 8) + ((0.80139415 * pi) / 8) + ((1.8528054 * pi) / 8) + ((3.0628007 * pi) / 8) + ((3.8767477 * pi) / 8) + ((3.6198073 * pi) / 8) + ((1.6923026 * pi) / 8) = 5.93217123
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> google rules
08:43 <z-man> looks better :)
08:44 <z-man> Your antiderivative should be easy to get if you integrate by parts, twice.
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, we didn't cover that last semester, and we kinda skipped over it. Here's what I came up with:
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> -x^2 cos(x) + 2x sin(x) - 2 sin(x) + C <----- indefinite
08:48 <z-man> That last one should be +2 cos(x)
08:48 <z-man> or wait...
08:48 <z-man> yes, 2 cos(x)
08:49 <z-man> it's derivative needs to cancel one of the partial derivatives of 2x sin(x).
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I follow. To pull it out of the integral you have to take its antiderivative, right?
08:49 <z-man> Right.
08:50 <z-man> And your first term, -x^2 cos(x), produces x^2 sin(x) - 2x cos(x) as a derivative.
08:50 <z-man> The first one, you want, the second one needs cancellation.
08:51 <z-man> So you put its antiderivative in there, too, with a negative sign.
08:51 <z-man> 2 x sin(x) gives you the derivative 2 x cos(x) + 2 sin(x).
08:51 <z-man> Again, the first bit is what you want, but the second one needs cancellation.
08:52 <z-man> So you put in 2 cos(x) and you're done.
08:52 <z-man> Tha'ts integrating by parts :)
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> :) looks pretty straightforward.
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g pi^2 - 4
08:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (pi^2) - 4 = 5.8696044
08:53 <z-man> looks correct.
08:54 <Luke-Jr> 1.0 released in 1994
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> man I'm sleepy, I just went over your derivative up there 3 times, heh.
08:54 * Lucifer_arma was halfway through the definite part of the problem when you were giving the explanation, going back over it now
08:54 <z-man> The general "integration by parts" rule is: the antiderivative of (f' * g) is (f * g) minus the antiderivative of (f * g').
08:55 <z-man> Sorry, ignore me if I hinder your learning :)
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I follow it now. It's pretty straightforward.
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> nah, don't worry about it. The way the class is being divided between two teachers, we'll get to this or he'll cover it, and I'll be a little ahead.
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> Probably someone will ask about this problem. :)
09:03 <Luke-Jr> for DOS =p
09:07 <z-man> Hmm, 50000 error messages :)
09:08 <z-man> Don't save files while gcc is reading them.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> now how the hell am I supposed to figure out the error for this? :(
09:09 <z-man> Probably just compare your results :)
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, he didn't finish covering that last time, I'll skip it and move on to these other problems that don't do it
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, yeah. heh
09:10 <z-man> But of course there is some standard way ; the error of the midpoint method is proportional to the second derivative of your function and the error of simpson, umm, I guess to the fourth derivative.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> upon rereading the directions, it looks like they just want ( actual value - approximation )
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> no, toher way around.
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> Yeah, we're covering the fancy formula for computing the maximum error in the approximation, but ran out of time last time to complete that part
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> this problem is early enough in the set not to expect it to use that stuff
09:11 * Lucifer_arma shouldn't do homework when he's sleepy
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> but class is a little over an hour away :)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 + 2*1.0152716 + 2*1.0573713 + 2*1.118039 + 2*1.1892071 + 2*1.2652198 + 2*1.3426748 + 2*1.4197058 + 1.4953488
09:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 + (2 * 1.0152716) + (2 * 1.0573713) + (2 * 1.118039) + (2 * 1.1892071) + (2 * 1.2652198) + (2 * 1.3426748) + (2 * 1.4197058) + 1.4953488 = 19.3103276
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 + 2*1.0152716 + 2*1.0573713 + 2*1.118039 + 2*1.1892071 + 2*1.2652198 + 2*1.3426748 + 2*1.4197058 + 1.4953488
09:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 + (2 * 1.0152716) + (2 * 1.0573713) + (2 * 1.118039) + (2 * 1.1892071) + (2 * 1.2652198) + (2 * 1.3426748) + (2 * 1.4197058) + 1.4953488 = 19.3103276
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1 + 2*1.0152716 + 2*1.0573713 + 2*1.118039 + 2*1.1892071 + 2*1.2652198 + 2*1.3426748 + 2*1.4197058 + 1.4953488)/8
09:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 + (2 * 1.0152716) + (2 * 1.0573713) + (2 * 1.118039) + (2 * 1.1892071) + (2 * 1.2652198) + (2 * 1.3426748) + (2 * 1.4197058) + 1.4953488) / 8 = 2.41379095
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09:26 <Lucifer_arma> spammer!
09:27 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> [09:25 am] <-- Luke-Jr has left this server. (Excess Flood)
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09:28 <Luke-Jr> bs
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr came on here like a hurricane hitting land
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1.0038836/4 + 1.0334411/4 + 1.0859317/4 + 1.1527221/4 + 1.2268656/4 + 1.303911/4 + 1.381319/4 + 1.457738/4
09:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1.0038836 / 4) + (1.0334411 / 4) + (1.0859317 / 4) + (1.1527221 / 4) + (1.2268656 / 4) + (1.303911 / 4) + (1.381319 / 4) + (1.457738 / 4) = 2.41145303
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1 + 4*1.0152716 + 2*1.0573713 + 4*1.118039 + 2*1.1892071 + 4*1.2652198 + 2*1.3426748 + 4*1.4197058 + 1.4953488)/12
09:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 + (4 * 1.0152716) + (2 * 1.0573713) + (4 * 1.118039) + (2 * 1.1892071) + (4 * 1.2652198) + (2 * 1.3426748) + (4 * 1.4197058) + 1.4953488) / 12 = 2.41223333
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1 + 4*1.0152716 + 2*1.0573713 + 4*1.118039 + 2*1.1892071 + 4*1.2652198 + 2*1.3426748 + 4*1.4197058 + 1.4953488)
09:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 + (4 * 1.0152716) + (2 * 1.0573713) + (4 * 1.118039) + (2 * 1.1892071) + (4 * 1.2652198) + (2 * 1.3426748) + (4 * 1.4197058) + 1.4953488 = 28.9468
09:56 * Lucifer_arma is away: school
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11:07 <spidey> hey lack
11:11 <joda_bot> hi all
11:18 <Lackadaisical> hey
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11:31 <joda_bot> :-)
11:32 <joda_bot> x3r: wants to make a national cup
11:32 <joda_bot> I'm not sure if there are not too many people trying to host competitions
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12:20 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4001 just read this
12:20 <joda_bot> so we will put all build environments into the build module ?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
12:23 * Lucifer_arma is back.
12:28 <joda_bot> :)
12:28 <joda_bot> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=54121#54121
12:28 <joda_bot> In that post
12:28 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: don't you suggest exactly that ?
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> the build module is a different module than the armagetronad module
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> the build module currently contains the spec files for rpm and autopackage, and whatever passes for spec files for debian and ubuntu
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> it contains automation scripts for automating the builds, building a source tarball, source zip (for windows, with windows line endings), rpm, source rpm, autopackage, and uploading all of them to sourceforge
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'd keep the automation scripts separate, but put the other stuff in the core armagetronad module
12:42 <joda_bot> other stuff = icons ?
12:42 <joda_bot> and makedist.bat ?
12:43 <joda_bot> or just the resources required for windows builds ?
12:45 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: What about the nsi script for the windows installer ... hm would be a resource then ?
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> what about the readme file?
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's like this
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you use linux and you want to build the game, all you do is download the source tarball
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you use windows and you want to build the game, what do you have to do?
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> feels more like we're sticking to the letter of the GPL, but not quite the spirit
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think that you should have everything in the source tarball that's needed to build the very binary distribution we put up for download (barring automation scripts we use for our own purposes)
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> so there'd be a armagetronad/win directory, maybe with armagetronad/win/visualc and armagetronad/win/codeblocks and what-have-you
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> so yes, the .nsi file, the .spec files for the rpms, all that good stuff
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> whatever nemo uses for mac
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> there'd be a mac subdirectory
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> and to add insult to injury, the source tarball has integrated into its very structure the gnu build system. No real way around that without a lot of work we don't need to do
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> so, the convenience libraries we provide for windows users would still be in its own module. Windows folks would be expected to satisfy dependencies on their own, or at least as a separate download
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> if it were mine and only my decision to make, that's what we'd do, no question about it
12:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: mac builds are already in the diretory
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13:01 <Lucifer_arma> wb z-man
13:01 * Lucifer_arma politely welcomes z-man to the channel
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13:26 <spidey> he didn't like your welcome :p
13:27 <spidey> linux owns for servers
13:27 <spidey> 14:27:50 up 5 days, 21:43, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.10, 0.08
13:27 <spidey> almost idle
13:28 <spidey> i moved one of my soldat servers to it
13:28 <spidey> doesn't even phase it
13:28 <spidey> heh
13:28 <spidey> on windows i can barely play tron with it running
13:32 <MaZuffeR> spidey: the soldat server is fucked up
13:34 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: seems like z-man does not like politeness :-P
13:38 <spidey> i saw
13:38 <spidey> rebooting it
13:38 <spidey> sex
13:39 <spidey> SEC*
13:39 <MaZuffeR> ok
13:39 <spidey> NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED
13:39 <spidey> GRR I HATE THIS KEYBOARD
13:39 <spidey> -caps
13:40 <spidey> k,it's restarted
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13:49 * Lucifer_arma politely greets z-man again
13:49 * spidey watches z-man leave again
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's his client just logging in and out, he's probably asleep or something
13:50 <z-man> Yeah, I'm just too lazy to log out when I put the computer to sleep
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, he's here!
13:50 <spidey> lmao
13:50 <z-man> And the DCOP stuff wrtl dug out doesn't work properly.
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> ? for what?
13:51 <z-man> (That's basically why I'm marked as away, to tell you you can't rely on my presence)
13:51 <z-man> DCOP to tell kopete to log out
13:52 <z-man> It works quite well, but not from the apmd pre-sleep scripts
13:52 <z-man> When they get called, kopete is already frozen
13:52 * Lucifer_arma is away: Gone away for now.
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> oops
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's not what I meant to do, heh
13:53 * Lucifer_arma loves dcop
13:53 * Lucifer_arma is back.
13:53 <spidey> that was fast
13:53 <spidey> you know what
13:54 <spidey> i think i registered this name along ass time ago
13:54 <spidey> ut i can't remember the pass :/
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> Hi there
13:55 <spidey> damn maz plays soldat like he plays tron
13:55 * spidey glad i didn't make a combat server
13:55 <spidey> s:s
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> man, you can't just say to a channel, it's either all or none
13:56 <spidey> wth are you on about?
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> messing with dcop, sorry
13:56 <spidey> lmfao
13:56 * spidey saw a file .dcop in his /home dir
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's a command, too
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> type dcop into a terminal
13:57 * spidey is still a nix noob :p
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> dcop is kde stuff
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's intry-process communicable or something like that
13:57 <spidey> uoh
13:57 <spidey> oh
13:58 <spidey> ok his short in the keyboard wire is annoying
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> dcop kwin KWinInterface nextDesktop <--- put that in a terminal
13:59 <spidey> cool
13:59 <spidey> i removed those little multi-desktop tabs though
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> do dcop to get a list of services available
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> then dcop <service> for a list of interfaces
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> then dcop <service> <interface> for a list of functions that do stuff
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> and don't forget about control-tab
14:00 <spidey> hmm
14:01 <spidey> i'm still amazed at my loads
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> eat less beans?
14:01 <spidey> 15:01:45 up 5 days, 22:17, 2 users, load average: 0.15, 0.30, 0.21
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> 5 days? that's it?
14:01 <spidey> not the uptime
14:02 <spidey> the loads
14:02 <spidey> i'm running that soldat server on this box
14:02 <spidey> and the loads aren't any higher
14:02 <spidey> than normal
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> 14:02:12 up 1 day, 3:13, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.18, 0.17 <--- heh heh
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> 14:02:34 up 5 days, 1:10, 1 user, load average: 1.79, 1.65, 1.58 <--- my laptop
14:02 <spidey> 1 day? thats it?
14:02 <spidey> :p
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's my server. Apparently it got shut down again, probably my 2 year old
14:03 <spidey> lol
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> normally it'd show more like a month or so, that's about how often between his attacks. He must have just had one recently though
14:03 <spidey> lmao
14:03 * Lucifer_arma understands now why he had to restart the distcc daemon
14:04 <spidey> i'ma try to gather some spare parts i got here and throw togethor a bsd box
14:04 <spidey> i got a 133mhz mobo
14:04 <spidey> lmao
14:05 <spidey> socket A
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> good car computer
14:05 <spidey> it was made back in '95
14:05 <spidey> it's a ibm processor
14:07 <spidey> it's got 4 sticks of 74pin ram
14:07 <spidey> heh
14:10 <GodTodd> 74 pin?
14:10 <joda_bot> What sound better to the american / british audience ?
14:10 <joda_bot> Amount of points you get get for dying
14:10 <joda_bot> What you get for dying
14:10 <spidey> DIMM and SIMMram....
14:11 <spidey> it's old ram
14:11 <joda_bot> ups ... only one get ;)
14:11 <GodTodd> thought the old stuff was 72 pin...
14:11 <spidey> yea
14:11 * spidey has bad memory
14:11 <GodTodd> i know 72 pin is butt expensive now
14:11 * spidey takes that statement back cause he knows what luci's gonna say
14:12 <joda_bot> So What you get for dying or Amount of points you get for dying ?
14:12 <joda_bot> which help text sounds better ?
14:12 <spidey> 0
14:13 <joda_bot> is 0 an answer ? :-P
14:13 * spidey don't think you should get points for dying
14:13 <spidey> simpley because.....you died
14:13 <spidey> simplely
14:13 <joda_bot> 1) Amount of points you get for killing someone
14:13 <joda_bot> 2) What you get for killing someone
14:13 <joda_bot> if you prefer this case
14:13 <spidey> 1
14:14 <GodTodd> the first one i think
14:14 <joda_bot> might also shorten the 1) one to "points you get
14:14 <joda_bot> ok I'll commit my change then
14:14 <GodTodd> you could probably even truncate to "points for killing someone"
14:15 <joda_bot> ah wait , that's two out of 100+ players ...
14:15 <spidey> LOL
14:15 <joda_bot> Not sure, because that's a help text and making it too short does not explain too much
14:16 <joda_bot> Amount of points for killing somone ?
14:16 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man: Lucifer_arma: bump
14:16 <spidey> you get # points for killing a opponate
14:16 <spidey> 'er
14:17 <spidey> you get # points for killing a opponent
14:17 <z-man> 1) if you ask me
14:18 * spidey trips z-man as he answers joda
14:18 * z-man falls flat on his fasse
14:18 <z-man> face
14:18 <spidey> lol
14:18 * z-man chases spidey up a tree
14:18 * spidey hides behind joda
14:19 * z-man hits yoda with a frying pan (by accident, of course)
14:19 <spidey> lol!
14:19 * joda_bot uses the force to deflect the pan to spidey
14:19 * spidey ducks and watches it fly a Lucifer_arma
14:19 * spidey points to z-man
14:19 * joda_bot can't be hit because he's only 1m heigh :-P
14:20 <spidey> leopercon
14:20 <z-man> Right, and you can't hide behind him :)
14:20 * joda_bot lights up his light saber and starts to wirl
14:20 * z-man likes the muppet joda better
14:20 <joda_bot> me too
14:21 * spidey wants a light sabre L.
14:21 <spidey> :/
14:21 * joda_bot has a heart attack and falls back to the crane walking technique
14:22 <z-man> err, back to work. I'm already half finished with my change wishes for 0.2.8.3 :)
14:22 * spidey says MaZuffeR's name to distract him while he plays soldat
14:22 <spidey> evil grin
14:22 <spidey> :>
14:24 <spidey> wtf
14:24 <spidey> MaZuffeR, the server fucking up again?
14:25 <MaZuffeR> it's working fine :)
14:25 <spidey> the same person jsut got kickbanned 3 times in 1 second
14:26 <spidey> then someone joined and got kick banned
14:26 <spidey> lol
14:26 <MaZuffeR> someone joined the zombies team, he got kicked quite fast
14:27 <spidey> ah
14:27 <spidey> well then
14:27 <spidey> seems my script's working
14:27 <spidey> last time it fucked the server up
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14:27 <madmax|pt> hello
14:29 <spidey> ok,maybe it's not working
14:29 <spidey> hey max
14:30 <madmax|pt> hi spidey
14:34 <joda_bot> hi madmax|pt
14:34 <joda_bot> pt = ?
14:34 <joda_bot> portugal ?
14:34 <madmax|pt> yep
14:34 <madmax|pt> "madmax" was already taken
14:34 <joda_bot> oh, so you know simcosmos , well ?
14:34 <madmax|pt> only talked to him a couple of times
14:34 <joda_bot> ah k
14:35 <joda_bot> I've very found memories of playing with sim in the night till 4a.m :-)
14:35 <madmax|pt> eheh
14:36 <madmax|pt> ...im curious if there's other portuguese players out there...
14:37 <spidey> if one day i just disappear,it's because my house burned down
14:37 <madmax|pt> roger that
14:37 <spidey> finished my first project,made a xbox controller work with the computer
14:37 <spidey> now for my next project
14:38 <spidey> soundcard-to-stereo converter
14:38 <joda_bot> spidey: make your computer work ?
14:38 <spidey> this should be fun
14:38 <spidey> no i made a xbox controller work with the computer
14:38 <madmax|pt> thought you were making some kind of napalm bomb
14:38 <spidey> like a gamepad...l
14:38 <spidey> max,no but when i mess with electronics,fires tend to start :p
14:38 * joda_bot thinks spidey does... you never know what happends if you combine random MS products :-P
14:39 <madmax|pt> *M$
14:39 <spidey> hmm
14:39 <madmax|pt> btw, what about a PS2 controller?
14:39 <madmax|pt> that would be nicer
14:39 <spidey> dunno
14:39 <spidey> all i did was
14:39 <spidey> i had a broken xbox
14:40 <spidey> so i took where the controller plugged in,broke it out,cut the male end of a usb ppplug,wired them together
14:40 <spidey> downloaded the drivers
14:40 <spidey> and it worked :p
14:41 <spidey> i gotta find some AUX cables
14:44 <madmax|pt> maybe some fire extinguisher too :P
14:46 <madmax|pt> ...dinner...
14:46 * madmax|pt is away: I'm busy
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15:05 <GodTodd> my fart wasn't THAT bad...
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15:06 <spidey> dude
15:06 <spidey> it worked
15:06 <spidey> nothing's on fire either
15:07 * spidey dances
15:10 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:24:50)
15:11 <spidey> max
15:11 <spidey> it worked
15:11 * spidey is playing music on is stereo via his nix box
15:11 <spidey> :D
15:12 <madmax|pt> eheh
15:12 <madmax|pt> 2-0 i guess
15:12 <spidey> now my next project....
15:12 <spidey> any ideas?
15:12 <madmax|pt> linux @ ipod
15:13 <madmax|pt> lol
15:13 <madmax|pt> http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
15:13 <spidey> i don't have a ipod
15:13 <madmax|pt> oh
15:14 <madmax|pt> maybe that napalm bomb then?
15:15 <spidey> lol
15:15 <spidey> something i won't get introuble for :p
15:15 <madmax|pt> hmm, its hard then
15:16 <spidey> this is awesome
15:16 <spidey> why didn't i thin about it earlier
15:17 <madmax|pt> tell me, what exactly did you do?
15:17 <spidey> ok
15:17 <spidey> you know AUX cables?
15:17 <madmax|pt> yep
15:17 <spidey> the 2 plugs yellow white and red
15:17 <spidey> i took 2 of them
15:18 <spidey> cut them inhalf
15:18 <spidey> in the middle there will be a yellow plastic tube
15:18 <spidey> that's wrapped in another wire(ground)
15:18 <spidey> pull back the lose wire and cut through the plastic peice to the wire inside
15:19 <spidey> take a old set of desktop speakers
15:19 <spidey> where the plug that goes in the output part on the soundcard is cut it off
15:19 <spidey> then strip it
15:20 <spidey> the wire you pulled back on the aux cables (the ground) wrap around the black wire on the half that plugs into the suondcard
15:20 <spidey> then take the wire that came out of the yellow plastic tube and wrap it around the other one
15:20 <spidey> plug the aux end into the stereo and the other end into the sound card
15:21 <spidey> put the stereo on AUX/GAME or whatever it is for you
15:21 <spidey> and start playing music on the computer :)
15:22 <spidey> oh
15:22 <spidey> i know what my next project's gonna be
15:22 <joda_bot> nice monologe
15:22 <spidey> a usb lamp
15:22 <spidey> yes,i try to make all this crap cause i'm lazy :p
15:23 <spidey> but it's fun too
15:25 <madmax|pt> hmm, maybe you should "pdf it" and sell on ebay
15:25 <madmax|pt> maybe you'll get some money :D
15:25 <spidey> lmao
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15:26 <spidey> you can do just about anything with computers
15:26 <spidey> it just takes a bit of research
15:26 <madmax|pt> ... and free time
15:26 <spidey> i maybe stupid enough to try it,but i'ma read on it first :p
15:27 <spidey> yea i have alot of free time
15:27 <spidey> now my next question
15:28 <spidey> will the soundcard actually be affected
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15:28 <spidey> i have 780 watts worth of speakers/subs
15:28 <madmax|pt> ... back to the "house burning" issue
15:28 <spidey> guess i won't play music while i'm asleep :/
16:04 <spidey> interesting
16:04 <spidey> hey max
16:07 <madmax|pt> hey
16:07 <madmax|pt> im playing
16:07 <madmax|pt> lol
16:07 <spidey> lol
16:07 <madmax|pt> im dead now
16:07 <madmax|pt> lol
16:08 <spidey> it only works if you use another set of desktop speakers with headphone jacks as a middleman
16:09 <madmax|pt> hmm
16:14 <spidey> 17:14:18 up 6 days, 29 min, 2 users, load average: 4.47, 2.28, 1.09
16:14 <spidey> now that's a load,lol
16:15 * spidey only seems to get 1,533kb/s via lan :/
16:18 <madmax|pt> do some magic :D
16:19 <spidey> i should be getting around 50-100mbit :/
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16:53 <spidey> 17:53:07 up 6 days, 1:08, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.30, 0.48
16:54 <wrtlprnft> lame
16:55 <wrtlprnft> 23:54:50 up 44 days, 23:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
16:57 <madmax|pt> lol
16:57 * wrtlprnft creates some load
17:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 00:07:12 up 45 days, 12 min, 4 users, load average: 1.32, 1.17, 0.61
17:07 <wrtlprnft> take that!
17:08 <madmax|pt> 23:08 up 3:12, 2 users, load averages: 1.58 2.00 2.03
17:08 <madmax|pt> load winner
17:08 <madmax|pt> :P
17:09 <wrtlprnft> haha
17:09 <wrtlprnft> i could create more load, but i don't wanna affect my arma server too much
17:09 <wrtlprnft> that was just an emerge sync, normal thing once a day
17:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft, that load came from a ssh transfer i was doing
17:35 <spidey> 18:35:29 up 6 days, 1:51, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.70, 0.53
17:35 <spidey> that's my load now :p
17:39 <wrtlprnft> you'll love it just like me if you nurse your server to reach 30/50/100/etc days and then one day you make a stupid mistake or there's a power outage or something and you can wait again to beat your record :P
17:51 <spidey> lol
17:51 <spidey> when i get 100day uptime i'll be happy
17:51 <spidey> if a poweroutage doesn't get me first
17:51 <spidey> reminds me
17:51 <spidey> i gotta get old ups and rig them with car batteries
17:52 <spidey> that's my next project
17:53 <spidey> 2 car batteries per ups should last through a long power outage
17:53 <spidey> i'll need 4-5 ups
17:53 <spidey> and 8-10 car batteries
17:58 <madmax|pt> do you guys lag when you enter or leave full screen?
17:59 <spidey> yea
17:59 <spidey> KamP is a dick >.>
18:02 <madmax|pt> got some "c++ explanation" 4 that lag wrtl?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> what lag?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
18:13 <wrtlprnft> yes, there is an explanation
18:13 <wrtlprnft> your graphics card needs some time to switch between the two, and in that time the game waits for it to finish
18:14 <wrtlprnft> so all network stuff that arrived or should have been sent in that time gets delayed.
18:14 <madmax|pt> hmm
18:14 <madmax|pt> thanks
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18:15 <wrtlprnft> at least that's my guess at it ;)
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18:20 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, switching screen modes takes time. The switching function just doesn't return for a while. Our hands are tied :(
18:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man: not if we get a separate thread for the UI ;)
18:43 <joda_bot> z-man: any idea which versions are currently used of vorbis, libogg etc. ?
18:43 <joda_bot> Should I look at the svn history ?
18:44 <z-man> joda_bot: I don't have a clue, was it me who added them?
18:45 <z-man> bedtime
18:48 <joda_bot> ok
18:48 <joda_bot> I'll investigate
18:48 * joda_bot prays for cvs logs ;)
18:48 * joda_bot is dumb, can check the dll versions ;)
18:48 <joda_bot> at least for some
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19:20 <wrtlprnft> the framerate meter is wrong :(
19:20 <wrtlprnft> i clearly have less than one frame per second, and it displays 10FPS
19:27 * madmax|pt is away: Sleep
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21:17 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad armagetronad
21:18 <wrtlprnft> is there a way to have this command not contain the word armagetronad 4 times?
21:22 <nemostultae> export AA_SVN=https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad
21:22 <nemostultae> svn co $AA_SVN/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
21:22 <nemostultae> you can leave off the last armagetronad, the last path is used if you do.
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21:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok...
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Log from 2006-06-06:
--- Day changed Tue Jun 06 2006
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> Saaaatan wait! At hell's gates!
00:24 <GodTodd> blah
00:40 <GodTodd> oh...and....Desecrate! Pain! Torture! Hate!
00:40 <GodTodd> ;)
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> Desecrate, pain, torture, and hate
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> sounds like my love life
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> :|
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> live in hatred die in grief!
01:07 <[NP]Tangent> no, I believe you mean
01:07 <[NP]Tangent> live near tangent and die from grief
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01:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, it'd be more like "live near tangent and die from boredom!"
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> but that doesn't fit in the song
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> hah
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> I'm a drummer
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> no way they'd get bored
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03:12 <Luke-Jr> z-man: any reason why the top-of-playerwall line isn't offset by extrarise?
03:13 -!- guru3_ is now known as guru3
03:14 <Luke-Jr> guru3: hi
03:14 <guru3> hi
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> hi
03:15 <guru3> anyone know how to convert ext2 to ext3?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4^3
03:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4^3 = 64
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it's in the gentoo docs, I know that
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E2fsprogs
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> start there :)
03:22 <guru3> ok
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 32*3
03:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 32 * 3 = 96
03:22 <guru3> i'll get around to that at some point
03:22 <guru3> does anyone know of any cons of using two wifi comps on the sam net with the same mac and ip?
03:22 <Luke-Jr> guru3: easy to convert
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> besides it not working?
03:22 <guru3> well
03:22 <guru3> it's working so far
03:23 <guru3> so any other provable cons?
03:23 <Luke-Jr> it can't work... >.>
03:23 <Luke-Jr> not for TCP
03:23 <guru3> it is
03:23 <Luke-Jr> probably not
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it can't. there's gotta be something else going on, like maybe the network driver is changing its mac automatically, or one is connected to a different network
03:23 <Luke-Jr> anyway, tune2fs -j /dev/hdX#
03:23 <guru3> i would prove it
03:23 <guru3> if i had a way to
03:24 <Luke-Jr> NormalComputer sends a TCP packet to SharedMAC+IP
03:25 <Luke-Jr> SharingComputerA gets the packet and knows what it is, since it has that connection
03:25 <Luke-Jr> SharingComputerB gets the packet and say "WTF is this crap" and sends a error back
03:25 <guru3> hmm well
03:25 <guru3> it seems to work
03:26 <Luke-Jr> something else is going on
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03:26 <guru3> i dunno what it is
03:27 <guru3> but everything points to it working
03:28 <guru3> it seems it does have slight side effects
03:28 <guru3> on persistent tcp connections
03:28 <guru3> such as ssh
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03:44 <Lucifer_arma> x = e^y is the same as y=ln(x), right?
03:45 <guru3> yes
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, figured out what I needed. :) Instead of having to solve e^y = y^2 - 2, since the area I'm trying to find is bounded by y = +-1, I can just take those as my limits of integration
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> the problem's number is colored, which means there's a point where you say "Oh, that's easy", and if you dn't reach that point, you're doing something wrong :)
03:51 <guru3> lol
03:52 <[NP]Tangent> good night, guys
03:52 <[NP]Tangent> I'm dead
03:52 <Luke-Jr> o
03:52 <Luke-Jr> but you just starting talking
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> nah, I spoke a while ago
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> I need to start playing AA more
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> ah well
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> good night
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #g -0.5 +- sqrt(33)/2
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: -0.5 + (-sqrt(33) / 2) = -3.37228132
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #g -0.5 + sqrt(33)/2
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: -0.5 + (sqrt(33) / 2) = 2.37228132
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g 14*3
04:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 14 * 3 = 42
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 15*6
04:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 15 * 6 = 90
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 88/6
04:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 88 / 6 = 14.6666667
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> #g 78/3
04:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 78 / 3 = 26
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 18*3
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 18 * 3 = 54
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 54/3
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 54 / 3 = 18
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05:20 <Luke-Jr> morning
05:30 * Luke-Jr decides to write some 3D support into Arma
05:31 <Luke-Jr> (meaning tCoord.z = up)
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> so -tCoord.z = down?
05:38 <Luke-Jr> sure
05:38 * Luke-Jr drives below the floor =p
05:41 <Luke-Jr> BTW, 3D support will screw up mirror
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05:43 <Lucifer_arma> why? You just take -tCoord.z to do the mirror, right?
05:46 <Luke-Jr> visual mirror
05:46 <Luke-Jr> unless you presume the bottom level is the only mirror
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that's not a problem right now, the floor is the only mirror.
05:47 <Luke-Jr> once there's 3D movement, there's more than one floor =p
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:48 <Luke-Jr> I think the hardest part implementing ramps might be drawing the floor and ramp =p
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to compute what actually gets mirrored at that point, which I don't think we do. But we'll need to take the angle of the viewer to the mirror and bounce that vector to get what's visible.
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think all that happens right now is the scene is rendered twice, once upside down and with some gl flags set (maybe to a differnet buffer, i don't know)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*3
05:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 16 * 3 = 48
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*3 - 16
05:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (16 * 3) - 16 = 32
05:57 <spidey> #g Lucifer_arma*wrtlprnft+n54
05:57 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:57 <spidey> xD
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(2)
06:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(2) = 0.693147181
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(4) + 9/4
06:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(4) + (9 / 4) = 3.63629436
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's those damn details that get you
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.298666666 * ( 4*0.00065 + 2*0.00472 + 4*0.014184 + 2*0.02941 + 4*0.04903 + 2*0.6969 + 4*0.085666 + 2*0.0883 + 4*0.06534)
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.298666666 * ((4 * 0.00065) + (2 * 0.00472) + (4 * 0.014184) + (2 * 0.02941) + (4 * 0.04903) + (2 * 0.6969) + (4 * 0.085666) + (2 * 0.0883) + (4 * 0.06534)) = 0.746111145
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I want an acceleration gauge, and I probably want it in place of the velocity gauge
07:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm
07:02 <wrtlprnft> makes sense and should be possible
07:02 <wrtlprnft> there's still a bunch of callbacks missing
07:02 <wrtlprnft> a few for team scores would be nice
07:03 <wrtlprnft> also your position as coordinates, your name (and the name of the player you're watching) and color
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> have you thought about hud widgets for other cycles? I'm not sure it falls within the cockpit, but I was thinking it would be nice for cycles within a certain range
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> to see their velocity, acceleration, ping, and estimated time to impact (assume I turn towards them by one turn if I'm parallel to them, and predict as needed)
07:05 <wrtlprnft> that would be relatively complicated :(
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's hud data in the sense of if I were wearing a helmet with fancy readouts, it would show me these things, but it's not necessarily cockpit information
07:06 <wrtlprnft> currently you'd need a separate callback for every cycle
07:06 <Luke-Jr> hm
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, the cockpit could parse the xml anyway and provide callbacks for the widgets, then gCycle could render the gauges
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> the hard part is turning the gauges to face the camera :)
07:06 <Luke-Jr> I want to see a mini-HUD with their info on top of their cycle :)
07:07 <wrtlprnft> o_O
07:07 <wrtlprnft> but it would make sense somehow
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2/3 * (4*6.2 + 2*7.2 + 4*6.8 + 2*5.6 + 4*5.0 + 2*4.8 + 4*4.8)
07:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (2 / 3) * ((4 * 6.2) + (2 * 7.2) + (4 * 6.8) + (2 * 5.6) + (4 * 5.0) + (2 * 4.8) + (4 * 4.8)) = 84.2666667
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g (4*6.2 + 2*7.2 + 4*6.8 + 2*5.6 + 4*5.0 + 2*4.8 + 4*4.8)
07:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (4 * 6.2) + (2 * 7.2) + (4 * 6.8) + (2 * 5.6) + (4 * 5.0) + (2 * 4.8) + (4 * 4.8) = 126.4
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of 3e^2x is 2e^2x, right?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of 3e^2x is 3e^2x, right?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> where's z-man when you need him? heh.
07:12 <wrtlprnft> #notes
07:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luke-Jr, and phil.
07:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah, Luke-Jr can't get notes since he's silenced for armabot
07:13 <wrtlprnft> so armabot doesn't know when he's active
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes Lucifer_arma
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes Luke-Jr
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <z-man> Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
07:13 <wrtlprnft> grr
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think my pencils are defective. I just put new lead in them and it's coming out broken up in small pieces, I'm going through lead very quickly. :(
07:17 <wrtlprnft> happened to me, too
07:17 <wrtlprnft> then i got a new pencil and it works :)
07:17 <wrtlprnft> in the long run cheaper than wasting lead en masse
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's a shame, these pencils are very nice otherwise
07:20 <wrtlprnft> all of them?
07:20 <wrtlprnft> not just one?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> two. Only two came in the package.
07:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe you have the wrong kind of lead?
07:28 <wrtlprnft> too thick or too soft?
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07:49 <spidey> hey
07:49 <spidey> man,i think the reason i been sliding lately is my router or connection
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of sin(2x) is -cos(2x) ?
07:53 * Lucifer_arma suspects something in that antiderivative, something about the constant
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07:54 <Lucifer_arma> if I use substitution I get the antiderivative is more like -1/2 cos(2x)
07:55 <MaZuffeR> -1/2 cos(2x) is correct i think
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> soooo... the integral I'm trying to work is (cosx - sin(2x))
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> MaZuffeR: yeah, if you take the derivative of that you wind up with sin(2x)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> where I'm getting lost is on the larger function. If I use substitution I'm stuck with a cosx that I can't work with
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I think I'm trying to make it harder for no good reason
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> ty :)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln1
08:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(1) = 0
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> why can't I remember that? :(
08:07 * Lucifer_arma goes into private commune with armabot
08:19 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:19 * wrtlprnft likes calculators more for that stuff
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I like being able to put in much bigger expressions
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> although, if I keep doing this simpson's rule homework I'm going to write a python app to do it instead, I've had enough of it
08:30 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:31 <wrtlprnft> much bigger expressions?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> my calculatur doesn't seem to have a practical limit for expression lengths
08:32 <wrtlprnft> i guess it would run out of RAM at some point, but...
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> 10 subdivisions, and the formula goes something like deltax/3[ f(0) + 4f(1) + 2f(2) + 4f(3) + 2f(4) + 4f(5) + f(6) ]
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, my calculator will hold all of it, but I find that typing it in is a lot easier on a computer :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> here:
08:34 * wrtlprnft thinks the opposite :P
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1/10 * ( 1 + 2*(1.04081) + 2*(1.173511) + 2*(1.433329) + 2*(1.89648) + 2*(2.7182818) + 2*(4.2206958 + 2*(7.099327) + 2*(12.935817 + 2*(25.533722) + 54.59815)
08:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 10) * (1 + (2 * 1.04081) + (2 * 1.173511) + (2 * 1.433329) + (2 * 1.89648) + (2 * 2.7182818) + (2 * (4.2206958 + (2 * 7.099327) + (2 * (12.935817 + (2 * 25.533722) + 54.59815))))) = 52.8769167
08:35 <wrtlprnft> calculators are much more tolerant about lazyness than python
08:35 <wrtlprnft> #g 5pi
08:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 5 * pi = 15.7079633
08:35 <wrtlprnft> woo
08:35 <wrtlprnft> #g sin(pi
08:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sin(pi) = 0
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g sin(e)
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sin(e) = 0.410781291
08:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 2^-1
08:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2^-1 = 0.5
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a worthless number, haha
08:36 <wrtlprnft> #g log(pi,e
08:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(pi * e) = 0.931444355
08:36 <wrtlprnft> wtf
08:37 <wrtlprnft> i wanted log base e of pi
08:37 <wrtlprnft> #g log(pi)/log e
08:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(pi) / log(e) = 1.14472989
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(pi) = 0.497149873
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log e(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(e) * pi = 1.36437635
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log^e(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's still silly, because...
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(pi) = 1.14472989
08:37 <wrtlprnft> no, log base pi of e i meant
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that would be the unnatural log, which is forbidden in the USA, because anything unnatural is forbidden
08:38 <wrtlprnft> #g log(e)/log pi
08:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(e) / log(pi) = 0.873568527
08:38 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you wanna make the callback for acceleration? I'm kinda stuck
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5050550.stm
08:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, log with the base of pi is lp from now on
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a member of gCycle that stores acceleration?
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g lp pi
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> it's private and depends on the timestep length
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g lg 100
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: lg(100) = 6.64385619
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I want instantaneous acceleration anyway :)
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g log 100
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(100) = 2
08:40 <wrtlprnft> what base is lg?
08:40 <wrtlprnft> #g ld 1024
08:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g log(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(100) = 2
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g lg(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: lg(100) = 6.64385619
08:40 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:40 <MaZuffeR> lg is base 2
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(100) = 4.60517019
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> really? lg is binary?
08:40 <wrtlprnft> lg *sjould* be base of 10
08:40 <wrtlprnft> ld *should* be base of 2
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> ld's the linker
08:41 <wrtlprnft> #g lg 1024
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: lg(1,024) = 10
08:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:41 * Lucifer_arma hates the midpoint rule
08:41 <wrtlprnft> g2g shool
08:41 <wrtlprnft> *shool
08:41 <wrtlprnft> *school
08:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> screw it, I'm just going to move on
08:45 <spidey> lol
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> let's just stop all work on the game, it's fine the way it is, no need to do any more to it
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know of a good graphing program for linux that handles 3 dimensional objects?
13:54 <nemostultae> modeling program, you mean?
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13:55 <wrtl_web_broken> Lucifer_arma: ?
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, not a modeling program, at least, not like blender
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm given 4 functions, and I need to find the volume of the area bounded by those functions rotated around a line, mostly the x or y axis
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> it would be neat to have a program that could graph it for me that I could look at. :)
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how do I get the instantaneous acceleration of a cycle?
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl_web_broken: ? ?
14:06 <wrtl_web_broken> 13:32 <Lucifer_arma> let's just stop all work on the game, it's fine the way it is, no need to do any more to it
14:06 <wrtl_web_broken> ?
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=54431#54431
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> I read that as "don't add anything new, the game is fine like it is"
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> povray can do functions a la Axx Byy Cxy Dx Ey F=0
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> upto any power, i think
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> REAL acceleration; <--- in gCycleMovement, is this instantaneous acceleration?
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> and you get them calculated with proper lighting and shadows and all.
14:13 <wrtl_web_broken> Lucifer_arma: that's the acceleration for the next timestep
14:14 <wrtl_web_broken> so it's the velocity difference. In the same conditions it will be bigger with a big next timestep and smaller with a small next timestep
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14:16 <Lucifer_arma> what's its unit? m/sec/sec ?
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14:50 <madmax|pt> hello
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14:54 <Lucifer_arma> the whole problem changes if you draw the picture right, grrrr.......
15:02 * madmax|pt is away: Dinner...
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15:20 <Lucifer_arma> if I were a supervillain, I'd be called Paraboloid
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15:31 <madmax|pt> Paraboloid?
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15:43 <Lucifer_arma> yessir, Paraboloid.
15:43 <madmax|pt> Paraboloid wouldnt sell.
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'd come swooping in with my rocket shoes and laser rifle and start shooting up the place while everybody else says "What the fuck is a paraboloid?"
15:43 <madmax|pt> lol
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> and then some smart-ass calc student would compute my volume and I'd be defeated
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd come back as the integrator, and I'd go to school playgrounds, point my laser rifle at the kids there and say "Go tell your parents to give me all their money!"
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd fight awesome battles that would ravage entire downtown landscapes with my archenemy the Antiderivative
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> ultimately he'd figure out he was just my tool, but by then I'd rule the world! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmm. I think I've been working too hard on this calculus stuff.
15:47 <madmax|pt> lol
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15:49 <Lucifer_arma> volume of a cylinder is pi*r^2*height, right?
15:49 <madmax|pt> right
15:49 <joda_bot> z-man: Lucifer_arma: To which library or include does rSysdep.cpp:332 belong ? ... It's a "write(" methog
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question. grep only turned up that one instance of it (other than stuff that's obviously attached to other unrelated things)
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> png.h ?
15:53 <joda_bot> hm, png.h is part of ?
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's up there, and the function is make_screenshot(), what else would it be?
15:54 <z-man> No, png functions start with png_
15:54 <z-man> It has something to do with Luke's video recording thing, I guess.
15:55 <joda_bot> aw
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> can you give us the pertinent lines in the compiler output?
15:55 <joda_bot> Because I don't have the function on windows
15:55 <joda_bot> ompiling: ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp: In function `void make_screenshot()':
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:332: error: `write' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:332: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp: In member function `virtual bool rFastForwardCommandLineAnalyzer::DoAnalyze(tCommandLineParser&)':
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:443: error: `dup' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <z-man> According to man, it's in unistd.h
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:446: error: `dup2' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (7 minutes, 4 seconds)
15:55 <joda_bot> 4 errors, 4 warnings
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> what are the 4 warnings?
15:56 <z-man> Try #include <unistd.h>, Luke forgot that :)
15:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: some uninitisalized stuff can be ignored
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, no missed includes, then?
15:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: no, I would have been able to fix that
15:57 <joda_bot> z-man: Should I move all code blocks stuff into armagetronad now ?
15:57 <joda_bot> and we scrap the build_codeblocks module ?
15:58 <joda_bot> or keep all windows build stuff outside
15:58 <z-man> If that suits you. I don't mind.
15:58 <z-man> brb
15:59 <z-man> My personal criterion, as stated, is that "if it goes into the tarball, it should be in the main module".
16:00 <z-man> The code::blocks stuff gets into the src.zip. That qualifies.
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> so if I've got (x^3)^2 to integrate, is it ok for me to simplify that to x^6?
16:00 <z-man> I'd only ask you not to pollute the main directory. Keep it neat.
16:00 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: of course, simplifications are always allowed.
16:00 <joda_bot> I would do it like nemo did for macosx
16:01 <z-man> Fine by me.
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> I found my screwup. I took x^6 and somehow integrated it to (heh) (x^6)/3
16:01 <z-man> That's a new one :)
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, the first term was x^2, which integrated to (x^3)/3 , so it's not totally illogical :)
16:02 <joda_bot> What will we do with VisualC builds ?
16:02 * Lucifer_arma is breaking new ground in math!
16:02 <madmax|pt> thats a real bad integration
16:02 <madmax|pt> lol
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> I"m the Real Bad Integrator! Fear me! arrrr
16:02 * Lucifer_arma points his laser rifle at madmax|pt
16:02 <z-man> joda_bot: I don't mind either :)
16:02 <joda_bot> I look at the SDL dists and they add archives for different IDE
16:02 <madmax|pt> oh noooooo
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> go tel your parents to give me all their money!
16:03 <z-man> Yeah, we shouldn't do that.
16:03 <joda_bot> I looked
16:03 <madmax|pt> fear! feaaaaaarrr!
16:03 <z-man> At least not in SVN.
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a firm believer that if you get the source distribution, you should reasonably have everything we can reasonably provide to build it for the platforms we support
16:03 <joda_bot> z-man: we could zip the files for source ball generation ?
16:03 <z-man> And it's really silly to untar a tarball and find a zip inside :)
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if it was a zip inside a zip, that wouldn't be silly, people do that all the time
16:04 <joda_bot> compressing a zip usually compresses better, as ZIP does not collect all files first to compress them as one
16:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the acceleration thing is in m/s
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> not m/s/s?
16:04 <wrtlprnft> no
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, since z-man's talking...
16:05 <z-man> Acceleration is m/s/s.
16:05 <z-man> or m/(s^2)
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> REAL acceleration; <--- in gCycleMovement, is this instantaneous acceleration?
16:05 <madmax|pt> yep
16:05 <joda_bot> z-man: the include fixed it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> i know what acceleration is supposed to be in
16:05 * Lucifer_arma wants a gauge for instantaneous acceleration
16:05 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes, that's the acceleration in effect right now.
16:05 <wrtlprnft> but from the comments somewhere else i deduced that it's really the speed difference for the next timestep
16:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok, i'm probably wrong then ;)
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, wrtlprnft, as a matter of fact, you're giving us one of the ways my calc teacher gave us of visualizing the derivative and putting it into words :)
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> he'd be proud of you, were you to tell him that :)
16:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, thanks i guess
16:07 <z-man> Yeah, teachers like to hear their own explanations releated to them slightly differetly :)
16:07 <z-man> repeated
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> so I just need a callback to return that member in gCycle
16:07 <wrtlprnft> if it's public
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's a protected member, though, so a new method is needed in gCycle to expose it
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> rather, it's needed in gCycleMovement
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> and a bar gauge that can show negative numbers
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it can already
16:09 <wrtlprnft> you just need to make the minimum negative
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> just set the range to like [-5,5] ?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if that doesn't work, it's a bug
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> then pick the colors I want? :)
16:09 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: uh, any reason you deleted my changes to NEWS?
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll get to it in a bit, still doing calc homework. slowly, but doing it.
16:09 <joda_bot> sublipse is really dumb, the plugin does not show conflicts in the gui... the cvs plugin for eclipse shows the conflict and you have to fix it by hand, it does not merge the files ...
16:10 <joda_bot> the svn plugin sublipse ... just puts the <text a >text b there :-(
16:10 * madmax|pt is away: I'm busy
16:10 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: nvm, i screwed up my svn log command
16:11 <wrtlprnft> or, i screwed up interpreting it
16:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: you have to "svn update" before your commit appears in the log
16:11 <wrtlprnft> no, that's fine
16:11 <wrtlprnft> it's just all the - sign
16:11 <wrtlprnft> s
16:11 <wrtlprnft> didn't see that there was a space before the minus
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> um, is there a delta in the armagetronad font?
16:13 * Lucifer_arma wants his gauge caption to be ?V
16:13 <wrtlprnft> no, there isn't one
16:13 <wrtlprnft> you can make one, but it won't help
16:13 <wrtlprnft> delta isn't in latin-1
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> oh. :(
16:15 <z-man> Well, a perfect reason for unicode, then :)
16:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: give me a function that converts utf-8 to utf-16 or find me a way to get FTGL to accept utf-8 and i'll get it going
16:16 <z-man> Shouldn't be too hard, maybe ask our chief bitwrangler Luke?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> http://opengl.geek.nz/weblog/archives/cat_ftgl.html
16:17 <wrtlprnft> search for the first occurence of "utf-8"
16:17 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately id didn't work when i tried :(
16:18 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm, utf-8 isn't 8-bit by that definition
16:18 <wrtlprnft> so, why doesn't that thing tell me how to do that conversion?
16:19 <joda_bot> z-man: Would the nsi installer files go into armagetronad/win32 too ?
16:19 <joda_bot> z-man: or should we consider it a installer or build file
16:20 <z-man> I'd say it's a build file.
16:20 <joda_bot> so move it to winlibs ?
16:20 <z-man> Everything in the tarball to build and run, everything in the build module to distribute.
16:20 <z-man> Winlibs or build.
16:20 <z-man> Probably more useful to the Windows guys if it's in Winlibs.
16:20 <joda_bot> ok, so I move all codeblocks project files to build/win32 ?
16:21 <joda_bot> and also the nsi banner.svg & co ?
16:21 <z-man> Gee, do I have to decide everything here? :)
16:21 <joda_bot> I'm sorry
16:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you don't have to, pass it to another project admin :P
16:22 * wrtlprnft looks at Lucifer_arma
16:22 <z-man> The basic code::blocks project files and makedist.bat, everything that is required to build the thing and run it from the build directory and debug it, goes somewhere into the main armagetronad module.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> http://www.example-code.com/vcpp/convert-utf-8-iso-8859-1.asp
16:23 <joda_bot> z-man: ok ...
16:23 <wrtlprnft> that's vc++ only, right?
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> if he passes it to me, all the spec files, the nsis file, and whatever nemo uses will end up in the main module
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, he probably doesn't want to pass this one to me :)
16:23 <z-man> And my only condition is that you shouldn't mess up the main directory :) So as long as you hide everyhing in win32, you won't hear me bitching.
16:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh my god...
16:23 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: hehe, right :)
16:24 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: ?
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the behaviour of the camera in svn version
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> makes me sick
16:24 <wrtlprnft> you mean glances?
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
16:24 <wrtlprnft> it's a matter of getting used to it
16:24 <wrtlprnft> trust me, you'll love it after a while
16:24 * wrtlprnft can't play with a regular version of arma anymore
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> do you mean sick as in puking sick, or just sick as in "I'll get used to it eventually"?
16:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Is it still possible to revert to 0.2.7.1 cam ?
16:25 <z-man> meriton is against that.
16:25 <z-man> But I have the feeling that will get overruled at some point.
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, meriton can hang himself if this cam will make people sick
16:25 <joda_bot> because we'll stop some players to upgrade
16:25 <joda_bot> if it's not possible
16:25 <wrtlprnft> well, there's 3 possible things people might want...
16:26 <z-man> joda_bot: exactly.
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> if our choice is "make people sick" or "provide config options meriton hates", we do the thing meriton hates
16:26 <wrtlprnft> they might want the very old glancing, the new glancing, and the version in between
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> they'll get meriton's glance and one that doesn't make them sick and they'll like it :)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> the one that chooses the direction relative to the cycle
16:27 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I compiled SDL_mixer with native MIDI (if that fails), t... emulation and also mp3 support
16:27 <joda_bot> before it only supported mod wav and ogg
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it has to be puking sick, not "I'll get used to it" sick. Who wants to volunteer to test?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> is the MPL compatible to the GPL?
16:28 * [Xpert]DarkStar is cleaning his keyboard because he puked over it
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: umm, that's great. But if I'm sitting on top of the soundtrack, there won't be any midi. :) However, I definitely think that if midi is supportable on enough backends to be worthwhile, then we shoudl allow it for other musicians
16:28 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: how? Drink lots of beer, eat fat snacks, and play for an hour?
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: that sounds like our target audience!
16:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:29 <wrtlprnft> http://www.onicos.com/staff/iz/amuse/javascript/expert/utf.txt
16:29 <wrtlprnft> yay that sounds nice enough :D
16:29 <wrtlprnft> just turn it into c++
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> [Xpert]DarkStar: take a picture of the keyboard before you finish and post it
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> in the thread where meriton says "config options suck" :)
16:29 <wrtlprnft> well meriton DOES have a point
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the camera has too many options
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and it's a pain to test them all
16:30 <z-man> We can always fork the camera code.
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> ?
16:30 <z-man> Keep the old stuff (0.2.8) in a separate file and start over with new, clean stuff.
16:30 <z-man> and give a binary option to choose between the two.
16:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glancing would be ok i guess...
16:31 <z-man> The clean one would be designed to be flexible, so we'll have an easier time tweaking it.
16:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if it was faster
16:31 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: there's an option for that
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's an option for that
16:31 <wrtlprnft> GLANCE_ANGULAR_VELOCITY i think
16:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: You suggested getting the documentation from the wiki ? Did you have a plan in mind how to realize
16:31 <joda_bot> it ?
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> type angular into your console and you'll see it
16:31 <wrtlprnft> no, not yet
16:32 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Camera_Glance_Keys
16:32 <wrtlprnft> you wanna read that :)
16:32 <z-man> Does the WIKI have a plain text export function?
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> last I checked it only had xml
16:32 <wrtlprnft> it has an XML export function
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> which isn't terrible, mind you
16:32 <joda_bot> we should also add some kind of localization to the documenation if possible
16:32 <z-man> minded
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> but we'd have to crawl every page to get it, it doesn't have export the whole wiki
16:32 <wrtlprnft> > How about the auto-kick on whining about lag? Is that reasonably close? Who was working on it?
16:32 <joda_bot> on the wiki: de:rubber
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: definitely, we need that!
16:33 <joda_bot> perhaps ?
16:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah got it :D
16:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wonderful
16:33 <wrtlprnft> and there's another factor thing
16:33 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: just checking, were you serious about the speed limit kill?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> for glances >90�
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we don't need to fork the camera code :)
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: yes, that was serious :)
16:33 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: can we perhaps put all documentation for the build into a category ?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: you can do that :)
16:34 <wrtlprnft> just add [Category:Build] to the end of the page
16:34 <wrtlprnft> IIRC you also have to create a page called Category:Build
16:34 <joda_bot> hm, what would german build documenation use ?
16:34 <joda_bot> [Category:DE:Build] ?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess so
16:35 <z-man> A problem with localized external documentation is that it gets out of sync. Simple logic:
16:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't know how mediawiki handles diffefrent languages
16:35 <z-man> external documentation gets out of sync
16:35 <joda_bot> or would it read [Category:Build,DE]
16:35 <z-man> translations get out of sync with the original
16:35 <wrtlprnft> it might be Category_DE:Build or DE_Category:Build, not sure
16:36 <z-man> ergo, translated external documentation gets useless the day after it's written :)
16:36 <joda_bot> z-man: having some documentation in german is better than having none
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> translators need to be subscribed to the page they translated so they can keep it in sync, but that problem has nothing to do with it being external :)
16:36 <joda_bot> I might also be able to get a few ppl to translate and write basic documentation
16:36 <z-man> Yeah, for the basics, I'd agree :)
16:36 <joda_bot> I would not want to translate deep documentation
16:37 <joda_bot> just FAQ and a basic tutorial
16:37 <z-man> Yea, that's OK.
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, the wiki's supposed to provide deep documentation
16:37 * wrtlprnft laughts at iF
16:37 <wrtlprnft> his fault he never gives out sources
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> also, consider ways to make the documentation in the main module and export it to the wiki. there's a certain amount of documentation we probably need to keep there and push it to the wiki instead of vice-versa
16:37 <z-man> Well, now we have a close example we can point others who don't give out sources to.
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> basic game manual, stuff people *need* to have to run the game
16:38 <z-man> Hmm, sounds good.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> when we have an army of translators (sometime after the gettext thing, I bet), we'll make keeping *that* manual up to date part of the job :)
16:39 <z-man> It'll need to get a lot smaller, then :)
16:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man: What's iF's problem ?
16:40 <z-man> He lost armabell's source code.
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> his mommy never taught him how to share and share alike
16:40 * joda_bot infected by a virus again ?
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> hard drive failure, wasn't it?
16:40 * joda_bot thinks if's pc is infected by a virus again :-)
16:40 <joda_bot> oh :-(
16:41 <z-man> again?
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if he'd have released the source for armabell, there'd be ~20 people that would have the latest version in a tarball waiting for him to pick it up
16:41 <joda_bot> hehe, the first gll got killed by the php virus
16:41 <joda_bot> (no backup AFAIK)
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> #f
16:41 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #19: || floating point processor overflow
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no Linus saying something about backups and mirrors?
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> here's the question of the day, then I'm working this next problem:
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> Why do Windows users and developers consistently and repeatedly accept being treated like second-class citizens? Even by open source projects that make special build modules for Windows sources that they don't make for any other group of users?
16:44 <joda_bot> How about this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export ?
16:44 <z-man> Didn't know they accepted it :)
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that fight back are generally called Linux users :)
16:46 <z-man> yarr.
16:47 <z-man> wrtlprnft: DONTDOIT is a very stupid name for a macro you have to define to use raw OpenGL functions.
16:47 <z-man> wrtlprnft: does armabot ignore Luke also into the other direction?
16:47 <z-man> #notes
16:47 <armabot> z-man: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luke-Jr, and phil.
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> apparently yes
16:47 <z-man> apparently :)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> and DONTDOIT was made by Jonathan :)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> afaik
16:48 <z-man> nono, that's my abomination.
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I think he said it was made by z-man
16:49 <z-man> Maybe rename it to ALLOW_RAW_OPENGL or get rid of it entirely, it was an ill fated attempt to enforce 3D API independence.
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I'm figuring out the volume on the shell of an acorn! neat!
16:51 <joda_bot> Did anyone ever see a list of all armagetronad dependencies ?
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm too sleepy to work this problem
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take a patch that lets Luke receive armabot messages
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> better, I'll take a better set of manners :)
16:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man: armabot doesn't ignore him in the other direction
16:53 <wrtlprnft> i think if you say #tell Luke-Jr blah it still arrives
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?
16:53 <z-man> #notes Luke-Jr
16:53 <armabot> z-man: Sent 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <z-man> Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
16:53 <wrtlprnft> but since it ignores everything says notes never get delivered
16:54 <z-man> definitely got ignored.
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> a test
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man you should receive this one
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:54 <wrtlprnft> it delivers notes to the target when it speaks, right?
16:54 <z-man> test
16:54 <z-man> right
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add z-man
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
16:54 <z-man> hey
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add z-man
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:54 <wrtlprnft> but, if armabot ignores Luke-Jr, it will never deliver them
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> yes I do
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add z-man
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't know he spoke
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #m z-man test
16:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man another test, you should get this one too
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma stop that!
16:55 <z-man> #night
16:55 <wrtlprnft> he won't get them
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the messages?
16:55 * z-man feels so alone without armabot
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #notes z-man
16:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> test and Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> another test, you should get this one too
16:55 <z-man> no, no message
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore
16:55 <armabot> blah
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #tell z-man test
16:55 <wrtlprnft> that one?
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #help admin ignore
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "admin ignore".
16:56 <z-man> bla
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #help ignore
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #list admin
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore remove z-man
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:56 <z-man> yes, got wrtls
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> duh
16:56 <z-man> got it, too.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> so you got them after she stopped ignoring you?
16:56 <z-man> yes.
16:57 <z-man> [23:54] <armabot> Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> you should receive this one
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> wrtlprnft wants me to tell you: test
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> test
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> another test, you should get this one too
16:57 <z-man> that's the ones I got.
16:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: thanks for the DONTDOIT info
16:58 <z-man> nvm
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i was forced to put it into a header file, so probably a lot of things won't be affected by it anymore
16:58 <z-man> No problem.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> whats the point in restricting sources from using glTextureMode?
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> so basically, Luke gets ignored by armabot whenever he and I have one of our spats and I decide to ignore him, and his response is to use #echo to try to irritate me
16:59 <wrtlprnft> no, glMatrixMode
16:59 <wrtlprnft> whatever the name is
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> so if I take him off the ignore list, anybody want to take bets on how long it will be before he's back in the doghouse with armabot?
17:00 <z-man> Does he succeed irritating you? That would surprise me.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> five bucks on two days
17:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I don't mind the restriction, because if we start using GL all over the place, using a different render engine will be more difficult
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> he succeeds in irritating me the same way my 5-year old succeeds in irritating me.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> FTGL needs those functions
17:01 <wrtlprnft> and with everything but opengl we'll need another font engine
17:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: noooo problem. Allow them all.
17:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: If we use a strict render back end , we can use ogre and ogre might use directx to render for example ... or a cluster with renderman
17:01 <z-man> The original intention was to wrap all OpenGL calls into rRenderer calls for AIP independence.
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> don't the other renderers we've looked at use ftgl anyway? or at least provide fonts?
17:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: DOS your server?
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: no, that's my 2 year old :)
17:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> my 5 year old is the one that says shit like "An invisible hand behind my hand hit my sister, and my hand was stuck in between"
17:02 <z-man> hehe.
17:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:04 <Luke-Jr> Luci's server runs DOS?
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> he's also the one where I say "Be quiet, I'm trying to listen for something", he immediately says "Ok, I'm being quiet" and proceeds to update me on his quiet status
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> DOS = denial of service...
17:04 <Luke-Jr> no, that's DoS =p
17:05 <wrtlprnft> dDoS?
17:05 * Lucifer_arma demonstrates he has patience
17:05 <Luke-Jr> DDoS is distributed DoS =p
17:05 * wrtlprnft is quiet
17:05 * wrtlprnft is still quiet
17:05 * Luke-Jr is quieter
17:05 * Luke-Jr is yet quieter
17:05 * wrtlprnft is more quiet than Lucifer_arma
17:05 * wrtlprnft is more quiet than Luke-Jr
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> #ingore add wrtlprnft
17:05 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> :)
17:05 * Luke-Jr is quite quiet still
17:06 <wrtlprnft> #ignoreme
17:06 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> :P
17:06 * n54 has been more quiet than any of you ^^
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> shut up n54
17:06 * Luke-Jr thinks not
17:07 <n54> lol
17:07 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mommy, Luke-Jr hates me!
17:07 * wrtlprnft cries
17:08 -!- nemostultae [n=nemostul@a1174.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit []
17:08 <wrtlprnft> or daddy i guess
17:10 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: hi mommy
17:10 <wrtlprnft> g2g kindergarden ;)
17:12 -!- MamaBear [n=cora-jr@217.170.53.17] has joined #armagetron
17:12 <wrtlprnft> someone send me a message please
17:12 <wrtlprnft> fast
17:12 <wrtlprnft> before armabot stops ignoring me
17:12 <MamaBear> Lucifer, why do you hate TV?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> 2 minutes left to send me a message...
17:13 <Luke-Jr> #message wrtlprnft foo
17:13 <Luke-Jr> #message wrtlprnft bar
17:13 <wrtlprnft> aww
17:13 <wrtlprnft> someone else i guess
17:14 <z-man> #message wrtlprnft foobar
17:14 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> test
17:14 -!- wrtlprnft_konver [n=mathias@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> didn't get it
17:14 <wrtlprnft> so it does totally ignore me, too
17:15 <Luke-Jr> With Regard To Linear PRiNter FonTs...
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:15 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any good library functions for converting between utf-8 and utf-16
17:15 <wrtlprnft> if not I'll make my own
17:15 <Luke-Jr> shrug
17:16 <Luke-Jr> easy to write
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <z-man> Hehe, the new cycle_width code is working :) Didn't have to add much since the last attempt.
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <MamaBear> my baby is rolling all around on the floor
17:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton
17:16 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:16 <z-man> Who shall we test it with?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> yay armabot likes me again!
17:16 <Luke-Jr> z-man: how can I make IntersectWith handle 3D?
17:16 <z-man> Not at all?
17:16 <Luke-Jr> >:O
17:17 <z-man> IntersectWith is a eEdge function, right?
17:17 <Luke-Jr> REAL z1=( Point()->z + ( Point()->z - other->Point()->z) * Ratio(ret));
17:17 <Luke-Jr> REAL z2=(e2->Point()->z + (e2->Point()->z - e2->other->Point()->z) * e2->Ratio(ret));
17:17 <Luke-Jr> v = z1-z2;
17:17 <Luke-Jr> if (v < -1 || v > 1) return NULL;
17:17 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what happens if two finite-width cycles hit each other from the front?
17:17 <z-man> they pass by each other.
17:17 <z-man> It just gets active when you enter a tunnel
17:17 <wrtlprnft> isn't that what you wanted to prevent?
17:17 <z-man> no
17:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
17:18 <wrtlprnft> what about a tunnel of two wall ends?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> like that: ------> =========
17:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ther --- is your wall
17:18 <Luke-Jr> ============---------
17:18 <z-man> Once you're inside, you're dead.
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
17:18 <z-man> I'll make it so that you can pass really short tunnels, probably
17:19 * wrtlprnft loves ascii art
17:19 <wrtlprnft> double binding: ||||||||||||
17:19 <z-man> and I still don't know how NOT to kill the poor inner wingen on the fortress startup :)
17:19 <z-man> Currently, they'd get crushed by the outer grinders.
17:19 <Luke-Jr> z-man: good
17:19 <wrtlprnft> oktatron: /Z_|\SV\>
17:19 <Luke-Jr> fortress grinding is lame
17:20 <Luke-Jr> let people come up w/ something original
17:20 <z-man> They will once the "boost on break" feature is in :)
17:20 <wrtlprnft> you'll be able to count the seconds it takes until bugfarm fortress is empty if you make startup grinding impossible
17:20 <z-man> (But I guess i'll limit the setting to only work with enemy walls at first)
17:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Bugfarm hasn't claimed its goal as fun
17:21 <Luke-Jr> it's for testing
17:21 <z-man> Well, they won't notice the change until they're more than three on a team :)
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, but bugfarm needs to be some fun to make people play :P
17:21 <z-man> Luke-Jr is partly right, occasionally, I reserve the right to be cruel to the players there.
17:22 * wrtlprnft really would like a hack to gGame to replace the winzone by multiple death zones
17:22 <z-man> But in the case of the classic startup, I guess that would go to far. Got to find a solution.
17:22 <wrtlprnft> so every few seconds a new deathzone pops up
17:23 <z-man> I can just make the server forget it created one in the first place :)
17:23 * z-man goes checking
17:23 <Luke-Jr> z-man: aww, help me w/ 3D IntersectWith =p
17:23 <wrtlprnft> that would be fun, methinks
17:24 <z-man> Luke-Jr: you can't intersect two LINES in 3d reliably, you know?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> two 3d lines never intersect if they are computed with floats
17:24 <Luke-Jr> z-man: walls have height
17:24 <z-man> Perhaps it would help if you tell us what you're trying to do?
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> TV MAKES YOU STPUTID!
17:24 <wrtlprnft> or never RELIABLY intersect
17:24 <Luke-Jr> z-man: if walls don't collide, don't crash =p
17:25 <Luke-Jr> eg, if I'm driving over a wall, I shouldn't crash into it
17:25 <z-man> We have that.
17:25 <z-man> oh dear.
17:25 * Lucifer_arma once computed how many years of his life have been spent watching commercials on tv
17:25 <MamaBear> How many?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> well
17:26 <wrtlprnft> if you watch 3 hours of TV a day
17:26 <wrtlprnft> 30% is commercials
17:26 <wrtlprnft> that makes
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #g 3*.3
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 3 * .3 = 0.9
17:26 <wrtlprnft> almiost one hour a day
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*355.25
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 355.25 = 319.72500
17:26 <wrtlprnft> 319.7 hours per year
17:27 <z-man> #g makes you lazy :)
17:27 <armabot> z-man: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:27 <Luke-Jr> shouldn't that be 365.25?
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*365.25
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 365.25 = 328.72500
17:27 <wrtlprnft> whatever
17:27 <wrtlprnft> actually it's not .25
17:27 <Luke-Jr> .24
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*365.24
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 365.24 = 328.71600
17:27 <wrtlprnft> nitpicking...
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 70*328.716
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 70 * 328.71600 = 23,010.12
17:27 <MamaBear> If he already computed it, why can't he tell me?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 23,010.12/24
17:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 23,010.12 / 24 = 958.75500
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> because I'm watching Wargames
17:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 23,010.12/24/365.24
17:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (23,010.12 / 24) / 365.24 = 2.62500
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> and it was something like 2 years
17:28 <wrtlprnft> 2.6 years!
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> 2 continuous years, not 2 years of practical life, that number was a bit higher
17:29 <wrtlprnft> what a waste ;)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> let's find out how long the average windows user will watch bluescreens :P
17:30 <z-man> Aw crap, the winzone spawning code is called every frame :)
17:30 * wrtlprnft has a nice bluescreen z-shirt :P
17:31 <wrtlprnft> that's a lot of winzones?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: reset the counter as well?
17:31 <z-man> There is no counter. Only a flag.
17:31 <wrtlprnft> like, the time of last death
17:31 <MamaBear> Are the commercials the only reason you hate it?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> set it to the time the killzone gets spawned
17:32 <z-man> It's not a counter, unfortunately.
17:32 <wrtlprnft> well, most stuff on american TV is crap :P
17:32 <z-man> It gets recalculated from the stored individual death times.
17:32 <z-man> most stuff in bookstores is crap, too :)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> it gets calculated every frame?
17:32 <wrtlprnft> what a waste
17:32 <z-man> yep.
17:33 <z-man> Maybe we should stagger it to once a second.
17:33 <MamaBear> I'm just curious because I'm Catholic and I hate TV, thinking most of the content is from the devil, so I was intrigued to hear that a satanist hates TV too.
17:33 <Luke-Jr> z-man: 3D IntersectWith? :/
17:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:33 <z-man> Luke-Jr: too tired, wrong medium. Bring it to the Forum.
17:34 * wrtlprnft slowly gets to think Lucifer_arma isn't too wrong with his 5-year old comparison
17:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --with "3D IntersectWith" --nolimit
17:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [17:33:35] <Luke-Jr> z-man: 3D IntersectWith? :/ and [17:23:51] <Luke-Jr> z-man: aww, help me w/ 3D IntersectWith =p
17:34 <wrtlprnft> uh, isn't armabot ignoring luke?
17:34 <wrtlprnft> #m Luke-Jr blah
17:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd probably like tv more without all the jesus-loving that's on it
17:35 <Luke-Jr> TV is void of any Jesus-loving
17:35 <Lucifer_arma> 7th heaven?
17:35 <Luke-Jr> closest thing is demons-that-pretend-to-be-Jesus loving
17:36 <MamaBear> Are you looking forward to going to hell?
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the british have this neat show about a woman priest who thinks gays should be able to get married
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> that show's pretty cool
17:36 <wrtlprnft> american's can't just have british shows on their TV :P
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> of course I'm looking forward to going to hell. Luke-Jr won't be there, and I'll be happy.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> they have to copy it, and a cheap copy, too, if possible
17:36 <Luke-Jr> perverts can get married-- to people of the opposite sex, of course
17:37 <wrtlprnft> s/'//
17:37 <Lucifer_arma> all my favorite people will be in hell, and none of the people I don't like
17:37 <Luke-Jr> screaming in agony, but sure
17:37 <MamaBear> You don't have to live with the guy.
17:38 * Lucifer_arma doesn't believe the liar God's FUD about hell
17:38 * Lucifer_arma doesn't trust genocial maniacs, in general, as a rule.
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> *genocidal
17:39 <Luke-Jr> The Truth does not lie
17:39 <Luke-Jr> MODs are cool
17:39 <n54> what do you get if you take infinite stupidity and multiply it by 6 billion? ^^
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> you noticed today's date, right? :)
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> n54: I don't know just yet, but maybe next semester....
17:40 <n54> ...you get the human species
17:41 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: 2006-06-06
17:41 <Luke-Jr> by your calendar
17:41 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here ever argue with people that 3.5" floppy disks weren't hard disks?
17:41 <Luke-Jr> b2e-b0 by my calendar
17:41 <GodTodd> yep
17:41 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
17:41 <n54> heh someone says floppies were hard disks?
17:41 <Luke-Jr> what idiot calls a floppy a HD?
17:41 <Lucifer_arma> what do you know about hell's calendar? Besides whatever bs your idiot hash-smoking prophet told you?
17:42 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, you use the gregorian calendar
17:43 * z-man knows when to keep out of a conversation.
17:43 <z-man> #night
17:43 <armabot> Good night z-man!
17:43 <n54> night z-man (you've escaped the madness!!!)
17:44 <z-man> Weren't 3.5 floppies called "Flexi Disks"?
17:44 <n54> not that I've noticed no
17:44 <n54> doesn't mean the haven't been called that of course :)
17:44 <n54> they*
17:44 <z-man> I've heard the term tossed around. Maybe a "Denglish" thing.
17:44 <n54> perhaps ^^
17:45 <Luke-Jr> like equeals?
17:45 <n54> makes sense though compared to real floppies
17:45 <z-man> We call cell phones "handies", after all.
17:45 <n54> I know, it's charming ^^
17:45 <Luke-Jr> or was equeals a typo?
17:47 * n54 goes to find out when the world championship starts
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, they have the hard case, or at least hard compared to 5.25" floppies, so people said they were hard disks, different from floppies
17:51 * Lucifer_arma is away: dinner
17:51 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
17:51 <GodTodd> actually had a comp literacy teacher that pulled both apart for visual demonstration of why they were both called floppies
17:56 * n54 loves cracking up floppies and exposing their innards...
17:57 <n54> 6 parts, 8 if you count the metal on both sides of the actual disk
17:57 <Luke-Jr> I get 5 max... O.o
17:58 <Luke-Jr> unless you're counting the spring and stuff
17:58 <n54> you _must_ count the spring :)
17:58 <Luke-Jr> what if my disk lacks a spring?
17:58 <n54> without a spring the whole setup is useless ^^
17:58 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:58 <MamaBear> there are already gay priests anyway in the new church
17:58 <GodTodd> the spring that makes the cover snap back?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> floppies don't *need* a sheath
17:58 <n54> yup GodTodd
17:59 * wrtlprnft vaguely remembers floopies
17:59 * wrtlprnft hasn't used one in two years
17:59 <GodTodd> have plenty of floppies that work fine without that spring
17:59 <n54> yes but there's no point to having the encasing without the spring
17:59 <wrtlprnft> you can move it manually :P
17:59 <wrtlprnft> and fix it with tape
17:59 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:00 <Luke-Jr> tape won't fix it
18:00 <wrtlprnft> or hold it in place with a magnet :D
18:00 <GodTodd> doesn't make 'the whole setup useless' tho
18:00 <GodTodd> :P
18:00 <Luke-Jr> just remove the hole cover
18:00 <n54> as far as protecting the actual disk is concerned it pretty much does
18:00 * wrtlprnft has seen people using magnets to pin their floopies to their fridge
18:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:00 <GodTodd> nah...cover it manually for transport....then take the cover off for use :D
18:01 <n54> lol GodTodd ^^
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and then they wonder why they don't work
18:01 <Luke-Jr> just store data on flash gameboy cartridges =p
18:01 <GodTodd> magnets are bad for floppies??
18:01 <GodTodd> :/
18:01 <wrtlprnft> uh, if they come in contact, yes
18:02 <Luke-Jr> they don't need contact...
18:02 <wrtlprnft> close to each other
18:02 <GodTodd> nope they don't
18:02 <Luke-Jr> just need to get in the magnetic field
18:02 <GodTodd> airport security can ruin them
18:02 <wrtlprnft> keep your floppies away from the earth's magnetic field!
18:03 <wrtlprnft> i'd say the field has to be strong enough :P
18:03 <Luke-Jr> airport security is a joke
18:03 <GodTodd> all it takes for floppies is enough trips under the metal detectors
18:04 <Luke-Jr> bet I could easily get past them smuggling confidential info if I wanted to
18:04 <Luke-Jr> seriously, just write it to a gameboy cartridge and they'd probably ignore it
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you can take a CD-ROM with a photo of a gun with you :P
18:04 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you can take a whole notebook with you...
18:05 <wrtlprnft> so there's lots of pictures of guns :P
18:05 <wrtlprnft> use a printer and print them out
18:05 <Luke-Jr> take a plastic gun with you
18:05 <Luke-Jr> with bio ammu
18:05 <Luke-Jr> ammo*
18:06 <wrtlprnft> bio ammu?
18:06 <GodTodd> why take the trouble of writing it to anything other than your laptop? the confidential info i mean
18:06 <wrtlprnft> you mean methane?
18:06 <Luke-Jr> shrug
18:06 <Luke-Jr> I mean the Cure =p
18:06 * wrtlprnft farts bio ammu
18:07 <wrtlprnft> use cherry cores as bullets
18:07 <wrtlprnft> or however you call those hard things in cherries
18:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe seeds, whatever it is in english :P
18:07 <wrtlprnft> cherri pits!
18:08 <wrtlprnft> *cherry pits
18:11 <wrtlprnft> how come X11 is taking 476MB of my RAM?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> that's half of it!
18:12 <wrtlprnft> +400MB opera
18:12 <wrtlprnft> *300MB
18:12 <wrtlprnft> +100MB mysql
18:12 <wrtlprnft> wow
18:20 * madmax|pt is back (gone 02:10:09)
18:29 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873CAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (math base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 12
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 14
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 13
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 15
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 14
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16
18:36 <n54> ... ^^
18:36 <wrtlprnft> we should rename this channel to #calculator
18:37 <n54> no
18:37 <n54> we would attract sticky geeks with t1's or whatever if we did ^^
18:38 <n54> like many of them, a googolplex or something
18:38 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:38 <n54> :)
18:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, either my utf-16 function is flawed or FTGL doesn't like me
18:39 <n54> and we wouldn't bea aple to speak for all the talk of various simplex and what if any use fourth-dimensional geometry has, and the merits of other arcana
18:39 <n54> be able*
18:40 <n54> why do you want to mess with utf-16?
18:40 <n54> just choose either utf-8 or utf-16 and stick with it?
18:40 <n54> *just asking*
18:41 <wrtlprnft> utf-16 sucks for networking
18:41 <wrtlprnft> but ftgl only accepts utf-16
18:45 <n54> ok
18:47 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 110
18:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 6
18:47 <n54> iirc for most stuff (unless it's java) you can just chop utf-16 in two
18:47 <wrtlprnft> #base 8 2 6
18:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 110
18:47 <n54> and ditch the last part
18:47 <n54> + some minor things
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #base 16 2 1f
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 11111
18:48 <n54> since I'm probably very wrong I should go look it up ^^
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #base 16 2 3f
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 111111
18:49 * wrtlprnft is studying wikipedia right now
18:50 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 1110
18:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16
18:51 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 11110
18:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 36
18:51 * wrtlprnft loves binary O_o
18:51 <n54> wrtlprnft: go to the source http://www.unicode.org/
18:52 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia is more readable, i guess
18:52 <wrtlprnft> and i assume it's right
18:55 <n54> ?3.9 here http://www.unicode.org/faq/specifications.html is a pdf that might answer all your questions much more directly and appropriately than wikipedia (haven't read it)
18:55 <n54> "Unicode Encoding Forms: UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32 conversion and validation ? 3.9"
18:58 <wrtlprnft> thanks, although i think i almost got it
18:58 <n54> ok :)
18:58 <wrtlprnft> it just drops the last char, but it converts fine
18:58 <n54> yes, I was confusing it all with utf-16 and utf-32 earlier
18:59 <n54> + some more too
18:59 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 111
18:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 7
19:00 <wrtlprnft> so, now what does it do with the last char?
19:02 <n54> page 23 on the mentioned pdf from the link I gave has a nice table
19:03 <n54> 0111
19:03 <n54> or 07h more appropriately
19:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:03 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia has that, too, with colors
19:03 <n54> :) happy if I can help (I rarely do) ^^
19:04 <n54> if I have been of help* am*
19:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:05 <n54> :)
19:05 <wrtlprnft> I think i'd better convert before i render
19:05 <wrtlprnft> much easier to deal with utf-16 than -8
19:05 <wrtlprnft> for word braking etc
19:05 <wrtlprnft> and i have to convert it at some point in time, anyways ;)
19:05 <n54> ok, yes probably
19:06 <n54> or simply go utf-16 locally for everything and just break it into utf-8 for networking? not sure
19:06 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:07 <wrtlprnft> screw tString::const_iterator
19:07 <wrtlprnft> char const * does the job as well :P
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19:13 <wrtlprnft> my graphic driver really sucks...
19:19 <GodTodd> my vacuum really sucks
19:20 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man* If we're bound to utf-16 for the font anyways, any reason not to switch the whole game except networking code to utf-16? That should save us lots of expensive conversations
19:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:25 <n54> graphics drivers... vacuum cleaners... huh obviously you guys haen't seen my math XD
19:25 <n54> haven't*
19:26 <wrtlprnft> n54: math calc 1 + 1
19:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: math calc 1 + 1
19:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
19:27 <wrtlprnft> looks like armabot is faster than n54 :D
19:27 <n54> lol
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2*8/2
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 8
19:27 <n54> not fair ;_; j/k
19:27 <GodTodd> 2+2==5, for very large values of 2
19:27 <GodTodd> ;)
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*8.0/2.0
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 8
19:27 <n54> true GodTodd
19:27 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 2/3
19:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.666666666667
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*1/3*3
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 2
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*1/3
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 0.666666666667
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc sqrt(2.0*1/3^2)
19:28 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> there's a reason I use google instead
19:28 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1
19:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1
19:28 <wrtlprnft> really?
19:28 <n54> 8+8=4 :) (non-linear/circular 12)
19:29 <wrtlprnft> 8+8=4 (mod 12)
19:29 <n54> :)
19:29 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you sure your last calculation is correct?
19:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Unlikely.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ah
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19:52 <LuciEatsPeople> my robot vacuum cleaner sucks
19:53 <n54> it's meant to :P
20:16 <Luke-Jr> LuciEatsPeople: the one you built?
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: it does
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:28 <wrtlprnft> you didn't get it reprogrammed?
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20:40 * Lucifer_arma is back.
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't reprogram the robot yet, I just determined that I could, that it would cost $60 to start, that I didn't have $60, and moved on
20:41 <wrtlprnft> better put that time on arma :P
20:46 <wrtlprnft> lol @ converting armabell to python
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> :)
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: what's the name of the distribution you use on your zaurus (or whatever the fuck it is)?
21:05 <n54> might as well as "mamabear" (dug at the ip?)
21:05 <n54> ask*
21:06 <n54> "This page describes some technical issues regarding the Open Peering peering accelerator service at AMS-IX." run at Science Park Watergraafsmeer which is the owner of 217.170.48.0
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21:11 <n54> not in kansas any more ;P
21:12 <n54> (city)
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21:20 <n54> "ingen" means nobody in norwegian ^^
22:07 <wrtlprnft> http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/KnownCheats
22:07 <wrtlprnft> !
22:08 <wrtlprnft> what the heck, the client can do anything it likes? What sucky programming
22:08 <n54> huh
22:08 <wrtlprnft> fly without wings. isn't the server supposed to keep track of that?
22:09 * n54 wonders what the purpose of "shoot teammates without blowing them up" would be.... unless friendly fire is allowed I guess
22:10 <wrtlprnft> well
22:10 <wrtlprnft> you can shoot them by accident, happens quite often
22:10 <n54> ok
22:10 <n54> still yeah very sucky to have the client control the game rather than the server
22:11 <wrtlprnft> I mean, it's hard to prevent cheats like free camera, better map etc...
22:11 <wrtlprnft> but to have the whole engine on the client?
22:11 <n54> insanity :)
22:12 <n54> the opposite is the best; everything on the server; input and output on the client (ref. server nethack games)
22:12 <wrtlprnft> which is what arma does
22:12 <n54> as much as it can i guess
22:12 <wrtlprnft> that means, you can hack your client to go through walls, and it will display fine on your client
22:13 <wrtlprnft> but the server will think differently and kill you
22:13 <n54> yup
22:13 <wrtlprnft> exept if it's hacked itself, of course
22:13 <n54> mm
22:13 <wrtlprnft> but then it's the admin's fault
22:13 <n54> yup
22:15 <wrtlprnft> arma is of waaay better, wd z-man!
22:15 <n54> yay! ^^
22:15 <wrtlprnft> btw when i just played there was someone named zman
22:15 <wrtlprnft> but i guess that was someone else
22:16 <n54> no idea but since it's 0515 over here I think you're right ^^ (unless he has the day off tomorrow or something)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:21 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, you get autokicked for having 300ms lag
22:21 <n54> I know germany has long summer vacations in the schools but it starts fairly late doesn't it?
22:21 <n54> in bz?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> how lame is that? the lag should be your problem, and if you manage to play with it, why not?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:21 <n54> yeah
22:21 <wrtlprnft> n54: it starts at different times in different parts
22:22 <n54> oh, didn't know that
22:22 <wrtlprnft> to reduce traffic
22:22 <n54> smart
22:23 <n54> different weeks or just a few days?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> which means that if you live in munich and have relatives in flensburg you can only visit them for a week or so
22:23 <wrtlprnft> assuming they go to school
22:23 <n54> mm yeah I can see the drawback there, nothing is perfect :|
22:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man's start on june 26
22:23 <wrtlprnft> mine start on july 31
22:24 <n54> ah ok
22:24 <n54> that's a pretty big difference
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> yay, writer's block finally cleared, I just wrote my t2 article :)
22:24 <n54> it's only for summer right?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'll edit it tomorrow and send it in. :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> n54: yes
22:24 <n54> :)
22:24 <n54> ok
22:24 <wrtlprnft> you can't shift christmas around :P
22:24 <n54> :)
22:24 <n54> unless you have like extra long vacations ;) hehe
22:25 <wrtlprnft> nah, just two weeks
22:25 <wrtlprnft> usually chistmas to jan 6
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: are you back in germany, then?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> sometimes more, ie if jan 6 is thursday you usually get friday off as well
22:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not yet
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> nah, can't be, you're leaving for school in the morning just like I am
22:25 <n54> ok about 17th-20-th to about 7th (or 17th if you're at uni) here
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i'm going on june 30
22:26 <n54> you've seen another part of the world some distance away - always a good thing ^^
22:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:26 <wrtlprnft> and the people here :)
22:27 <n54> yup, actually lived there
22:27 <wrtlprnft> different than if you go on skiing vacation or something
22:27 <n54> if funds wasn't a problem I think every human should get that opportunity
22:27 <n54> absolutely
22:27 <wrtlprnft> biggest cost factor are the schools here :(
22:27 <n54> :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> they charge LOTS of money
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that probably means I'll be busy in two weeks or so
22:29 <n54> working? :)
22:29 <wrtlprnft> no, just organizing
22:29 <n54> ok
22:29 <wrtlprnft> and there's my birthday at some day, too
22:29 <wrtlprnft> haven't decided yet what day it will be
22:30 <wrtlprnft> i was born in the morning of june 29, but that's the evening of june 28 here
22:30 <n54> how long have you been over there? I remember having to move back after two years was a real drag, amazing how much stuff one accreates even if a poor student *still misses text-books I used*
22:30 <n54> hehe
22:30 <wrtlprnft> like 10 months
22:31 <n54> ah that hopefully won't be as bad
22:31 <wrtlprnft> the school term - summer holidays
22:31 <wrtlprnft> - = minus
22:31 <n54> ok :)
22:31 <wrtlprnft> which means i'm making a bad deal
22:31 <n54> yeah I remember you complained about getting fewer holidays ;)
22:31 <wrtlprnft> our summer holidays are shorter, but we have lots of vacation during the year
22:32 * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32 * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32 * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32 <n54> :)
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> SHUT THE FUCK UP
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:32 <n54> lol
22:32 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I need to go to bed before I become the Integrator
22:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:33 <wrtlprnft> me too
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:33 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you have your birthday on the 29th, you can sleep off the flight back (you're flying, right?) courtesy of your hangover, but you have very little last minute time for packing
22:33 * wrtlprnft is going by boat of course j/k
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> but if you have your birthday on the 28th, your hangover's gone, but you have an extra day for last-minute packing
22:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:34 * wrtlprnft isn't happy about the prospect of jet lag again :(
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and this one will be worse
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i fly off in the morning and arrive in the morning
22:34 <n54> yeah and discovering how heavy paper is *nearly broke his back trying to get most of the paper home without paying tons and tons of money*
22:34 * Lucifer_arma lives in a constant state of jet lag
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> which is why I need to go to bed, heh
22:35 <n54> weird - I' about to go sleep too
22:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i've got lotsa books here i need to get home somehow
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> n54 also lives in a constant state of jet lag, I've noticed
22:35 <wrtlprnft> the school library sucks, i can't easily get books from the public one, so i end off buying them
22:35 <n54> see? bet you didn't think of that before I mentioned it ^^ (save up and ship by boat mail)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can carry something like 20 books in my pocket....
22:36 <n54> yeah not jet lag though, for me it's snail lag :)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: airport security will be happy :P
22:36 <n54> lol
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're in Canada, they don't have any airport security...
22:37 <n54> just wear your nerd glasses and everything will be fine and they'll have to use all their energy to stop snickering ^^
22:37 * Lucifer_arma wonders if there are any Genuine Canadians here to take offense at that comment of his
22:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, compared to the crazy americans, no
22:37 <n54> "Oh no, here comes another bookworm again with 20 kilos overweight luggage because of books" "hehe"
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> "Yeah, look at that dork. Where do you think he put his laptop?"
22:38 <n54> :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> we don't have a country hating us that much that they fly planes into buildings
22:38 <wrtlprnft> (we = canada)
22:38 <n54> don't tempt fate wrtlprnft
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as canada keeps insisting on being US Lite, they're destined to acquire such enemies
22:39 * n54 hints at recent canadian happenings
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> hell, maybe those guys hit the twin towers because they forgot where Montreal is?
22:39 * wrtlprnft just goes to bed, not that interested in such a discussion
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they stopped to ask for directions?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, 'night
22:39 <n54> sleep well ^^
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> a little tronning before bed, I think
22:41 <n54> I need to log of now or I'll never get to drag myself to bed :) cya all
22:41 <n54> off*
22:42 <n54> *zap* *poof*
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00:57 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I custom build my own fork of OpenEmbedded
00:58 <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/oz-ljr
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07:50 <wrtlprnft> I love the finite cycle width thing :)
07:52 <spidey> no....
07:52 <wrtlprnft> ends double grinding AND coming down centre
07:52 <spidey> i die when i try to fit through a 2.3 grind
07:52 * wrtlprnft wonders why people hate holes, but instantly cry if they get stripped of the fast coming-down-centre victory, which is at least equeally cheap.
07:52 <spidey> well,when i touch a wall and die
07:53 <wrtlprnft> you don't
07:53 <spidey> i watched route try to go through a VISIBLE gap on a 800x600 res
07:53 <spidey> and exploded
07:53 <wrtlprnft> you die if you go through something you're not supposed to go through
07:53 <wrtlprnft> the cyce width is 1/20 of a box on the screen
07:53 <spidey> i die if i try to go through a gap that i can clearly see, that's enough for me to know :)
07:53 <wrtlprnft> like, the lines on the floor
07:54 <wrtlprnft> deatch to the doublegrinder!
07:54 <wrtlprnft> -c
07:55 <spidey> i'm willing to bet the number of fortress people gets cut down
07:55 <wrtlprnft> not a bad thing
07:55 <spidey> while i was in there most of the people left soon after they joined
07:55 <spidey> and i don't mean the noobs
07:56 <wrtlprnft> it's mostly the idiots who will leave, yes
07:56 <wrtlprnft> the really skillful players will find other ways to victory
07:56 <spidey> well,kinda hard when i die as soon as i touch a wall
07:56 <MaZuffeR> i like the change too
07:56 <spidey> with 3.4 rubber left in my meter
07:56 <wrtlprnft> :)
07:57 <wrtlprnft> than that
07:57 <wrtlprnft> 's a bug
07:57 <wrtlprnft> if you don't go through a tunnel
07:57 <wrtlprnft> crie BUG!
07:57 * wrtlprnft wonders if z-man will kill the player that joins the game with PLAYER_1 BUG
07:59 <spidey> i how retarded
07:59 <spidey> my stereo stopped playing music after i was unhooking my other computer
08:00 <spidey> i thought i fucked something up,so i did just about everything you can do
08:00 <spidey> then found out amarok froze
08:00 <spidey> lol
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08:43 <spidey_> 09:43:19 up 7 days, 16:58, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.25, 0.22
08:43 <spidey_> k i gotta goto my moms for a week,i'll talk to ya when i get there
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09:08 <Lucifer_arma> shah, as if.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=54891#54891
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09:22 <spidey_> ok,now i have to go,lol
09:22 <spidey_> brb
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10:20 <wrtlprnft> guru3: image rescaling doesn't work on the wiki, it seems :(
10:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Moviepacks_list
10:21 <wrtlprnft> the images for tronsector are there, but the thumbnails don't appear
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12:10 * spidey is at his moms
12:10 <spidey> this connection sucks,heh
12:10 <spidey> 14kb/s up and 45kb/s down
12:11 <spidey> i'ma go lag on tron,weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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12:41 <madmax|pt> hello
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I'm going to have to go play it myself
12:42 <n54> hi & what?
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> fortress. z-man finally added cycle width :)
12:50 <n54> ah
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13:35 <guru3> armagetronad.net has been renewed
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> you moved it to go-daddy as planned, right?
13:50 <guru3> since when was that planned?
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> since we found out how much Luke-Jr despises go-daddy :)
13:51 <guru3> not funny
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh. have you tried fat cycles yet?
13:58 <guru3> no
14:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: does the server you have the wiki on have the gd USE flag for PHP?
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> image resizing by default uses ImageMagick in mediawiki
14:04 <wrtlprnft> really?
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> yessir
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> there's an option to use something else, I forget what that something is
14:04 <wrtlprnft> uh, then he needs that ;)
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> gd might be needed to show images
14:04 <guru3> gd is enabled
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it'd be nice if he put up the math package too, I'll dig up links for it if you need them
14:05 <wrtlprnft> latex and you need to compile something that's already included in the sources
14:05 <guru3> well
14:06 <guru3> i think it's enabled
14:06 <guru3> imagemagick should be installed somewhere
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> we'll have to test the math thing, our documentation could use actual functions to show us what's happening :)
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to put the path to imagemagick in LocalSettings.php
14:07 <guru3> can't we just settle for the current half working status?
14:08 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
14:08 <wrtlprnft> new images won't work
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> sure. :) I'd like to just mention that one of the motivating reasons for switching server os's on my machine is to get the math package for mediawiki working, so when I get that done...
14:08 <guru3> darn
14:08 <guru3> looking for where imagemagic is...
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> which im ?
14:09 <wrtlprnft> the old ones are cached
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> I always forget the name of the binary
14:10 <wrtlprnft> convert
14:10 <guru3> i know it's installed
14:10 <guru3> cause the forums use it
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> so which convert :)
14:12 <guru3> well
14:12 <wrtlprnft> uh, maybe it's missing permissions?
14:12 <guru3> that's installed in a weird place Oo
14:12 <wrtlprnft> maybe the wiki can't write to its cache dir?
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's likely, remember I kept screwing up the cache dir permissions
14:12 <guru3> it can
14:12 <guru3> try uploading something now wrtlprnft
14:16 * Lucifer_arma likes the fat cycles
14:16 * Lucifer_arma doesn't like people instantly reacting negatively to change
14:16 * wrtlprnft agrees
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> how can you go through life with your gut reaction to new situations always being hate?
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
14:17 * Lucifer_arma snarls
14:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Sandbox
14:17 <wrtlprnft> works, it seems
14:18 <guru3> woo?
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> WOO WOO
14:18 <wrtlprnft> guru3: rught at the bottom
14:18 <guru3> i see
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> you notice the only people that like the fat cycles are the ones that already played pretty cleanly? heh.
14:18 <wrtlprnft> now we just need to tell the wiki to reparse the screenshots
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> never thought cycle width would really split people up like that with such a clean cut of "these players are good" and "these players just use tricks"
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> just update the pages needed?
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> you know, do a little edit and save it?
14:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, currently trying
14:19 <wrtlprnft> it's just one page
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> where's philippe so I can tell him he was right about cycle width?
14:20 * wrtlprnft predicted that, too
14:20 <wrtlprnft> #last --with minutes --from wrtlprnft
14:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [17:13:37] <wrtlprnft> 2 minutes left to send me a message...
14:20 <guru3> you can't have width and rubber
14:20 <guru3> they're contradictory
14:21 <wrtlprnft> #last --with count --with minutes --from wrtlprnft
14:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 5645 messages.
14:21 <wrtlprnft> gah
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> no they're not. Rubber corrects for network latency, width is just physical simulation
14:21 <guru3> when you say it like that sure
14:21 <guru3> but with how it's used
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14:22 <Lucifer_arma> rubber is used like the front bumper of a car is used to avoid hitting walls, at least in the South
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I still don't see rubber and fat cycles being mutually exclusive
14:23 <n54> I always figured like this: the walls are only solid when you hit them prependicularily with your "nose" if not then the walls are as smoke to your bike ^"
14:23 <n54> the nose being the exact centrepoint of your bike
14:24 <n54> I mean the bikes drive through each other and all, it's obvious one isn't dealing with a truly pgysical world but rather you're inside a computer game ;)
14:24 * z-man likes to sit on anthills
14:24 * n54 did that once
14:25 * n54 can't believe some people actually do it for health reasons
14:25 <n54> then again ti was a swede... ;P
14:25 <n54> it*
14:25 <z-man> There are probably worse things :)
14:25 <n54> yes :)
14:25 <z-man> I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go play on Fortress now :)
14:26 <n54> although I kind fo feel sad for the ants being sut upon :S
14:26 <z-man> Probably should use a pseudonym.
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah. I've been playing under a pseudonym lately myself.
14:26 <z-man> Ah, the ants are fine. You don't have to kill them, just agitate them.
14:26 <n54> why? are people taking out pitchforks and torches? :o
14:26 <z-man> Probably :)
14:26 <n54> lol ^^
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much, yeah, but they're also playing a very clean game in the process
14:27 <z-man> I've never seen a vote filled so fast :)
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> so they're just bitching, in the meantime the only thing that's changed is nobody sucker punches you anymore
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: should have waited a couple of weeks. :) A couple of weeks from now people would sing the praises of fat cycles
14:27 <z-man> Why that?
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> instead they're just having their gut reaction to learning new stuff
14:27 <n54> as long as it's optional I don't get why people worry about it
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> because I think if people played with it for awhile, most would come around and decide they liked it
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> just like most have decided they like the rubber....
14:28 <z-man> Ah, you mean just wait with the poll?
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, with the poll :)
14:28 <z-man> Nobody says I'm just going with the most popular option :)
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course, you can always dream up some reason to keep testing the feature :)
14:28 <z-man> Unfortunately, there is a strong technical reason to stop testing it :(
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't work? or it works too well?
14:29 <z-man> It makes phasing bugs less likely, and I want them squished.
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14:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re ><
14:29 <n54> hi
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> what >< , anyway?
14:29 <z-man> The problem is that I have to set RUBBER_MINDISTANCE really high, or the center gets squished on startup.
14:29 <z-man> And that also shadows the phasing bugs.
14:30 * Lucifer_arma really enjoyed stomping doublegrinders earlier
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> why does the guy do it 5 rounds in a row? heh.
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> he must like to watch.
14:32 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft utf8 is the default encoding in Unix, it's cheaper to transport over the network, and no code has to be adapted to use a 16 bit basic char type.
14:32 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
14:34 * z-man goes to see if he gets kickvoted :)
14:38 <n54> :)
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14:57 <n54> anyone here have any experience/detailed knowledge of dell laptop utility and restore partitions? do they do anything sensible for non-windows oses?
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> ack
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> the first wave of any assault against a fortified position can expect 50% losses, if the position is fortified (not hopeless0
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> so if you send 7 attackers against 3 defenders, after the initial clash you will have 4 attackers against 3 defenders
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, the other team has sent 5 attackers against 1 defender
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> which team has the hopeless position?
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> if that wasn't bad enough, the attackers you've sent are attacking the zone, *not* the defense
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> so the defense is coming and scraping them up
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> so your first wave is against the defense anyway, to kill, neutralize, or lure them away from the zone
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> the second wave makes the attack on the zone
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> if the defenses have been cleared, otherwise they have to attack the defenses. It's just not logical to try to slip by the defenses, you just get boxed in, surrounded, and then killed
15:15 * Lucifer_arma wants to introduce the concept of "concentrated fire" to armagetron
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> not that any of that matters, you left 1 person to hold the fort against 5, you're fucked already
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15:17 <wrtl_web_broken> z-man: FTGL only eats UTF-16
15:17 <z-man> I know
15:19 <wrtl_web_broken> which means we have two options: a) use utf-8 internally for everything and convert everything to utf-16 for rendering (very CPU intensive) or b) use utf-16 internally and only convert to UTF-8 for file/console/network I/O
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> can't we compromise and use utf-12 internally and convert everything on-the-fly?
15:24 <n54> :P
15:24 <n54> :)
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15:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I hate it when a team with 8 people sends 7 to attack
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's just Really Dumb, with capital letters
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't help that there are quite a few goalies who think that's good play and bitch when people stay back to help
15:33 * Lucifer_arma growls
15:34 <Vanhayes> by help do you mean double def? because that is annoying for some
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15:42 * n54 hugs qtparted/gparted <3 <3 <3
15:42 <n54> their ntfs stuff should be merged into fdisk!
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> double def does annoy some, but helping defense doesn't mean double defense
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> it means playing near the zone, killing or otherwise neutralizing attackers, and being ready to take over goalie if needed
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's a team effort, there's no "I can do whatever I want and fuck everybody else" in team
15:45 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I don't like double def. :) It's useful when setting up, but otherwise I prefer to either be the goalie, or to play off the goalie's wall
15:45 <Lucifer_arma> by playing off his wall, I can keep the attack zone down so that attackers can only approach from one side, I get instant accleration when I need it,
15:45 <Lucifer_arma> and I can outmaze most attackers because they come in fast, I'm moving slow
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm right next to the goalie in case I need to dive in for any reason
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> most goalies I've played with appreciate me being back there. :) But there are a few who'd rather I not stay back there, and I just join the other team
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> that goalie sees me again, when I'm killing him and taking his stuff
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15:58 <Vanhayes> ya a good sweeper beats most double defs anytime, what I find the most annoying is when that defender tells u to go attack, dies, and then yells at you for not saving defense
15:59 <z-man> Actualy, there are plenty of I's in "I can do whatever I want and fuck everybody else" :)
16:00 * z-man likes to note it's not a good pseudonym if you don't change your instant chats
16:01 <n54> ?
16:02 * Lucifer_arma isn't trying to hide, just avoid the instant reactions people have when they see his regular name :)
16:03 * Vanhayes wonders if luci is in fort right now
16:03 * Lucifer_arma isn't
16:03 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what do you want instead?
16:03 * Lucifer_arma is using the name Rattlehead, in case you were wondering
16:03 <wrtlprnft> i tested converting on- the- fly, it is too slow
16:03 <Vanhayes> ah the noob of the year award or something along those lines
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> I agree, I find it annoying when the goalie says go attack and then dies and bitches
16:03 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: ahah
16:04 <z-man> wrtlprnft: it can't be slower than rendering, right?
16:04 <wrtlprnft> well, i have to copy everything i render
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: there's some stalker goig around calling me by my real name. What's lamer than that? I don't know, but he's also teamkilling me, and people won't kick him
16:04 <wrtlprnft> that costs about 7FPS
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's what started me on this fake name thing, anyway
16:04 <wrtlprnft> of my 30
16:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: it's hard to believe that a bit of conversation can be slower than rendering. Have you tried a static conversion buffer?
16:05 <z-man> Of course, if you compose std::strings char by char, thats going to suck.
16:06 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:06 * z-man understands Lucifer_arma
16:06 * wrtlprnft will try that
16:07 <wrtlprnft> will std::wstring::clear() set the length to 0?
16:07 <wrtlprnft> the allocated length i mean
16:12 <wrtlprnft> and then there's other trouble...
16:13 <wrtlprnft> for example, if some function wants to get the width of a piece of text before it renders it
16:13 <wrtlprnft> then I'd have to convert twice
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16:28 <wrtlprnft> grr, what's the wchar equivalent for strlen()?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> nvm, it's wcslen
16:39 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/63052
16:39 <wrtlprnft> is there any more elegant way to do that?
16:39 <wrtlprnft> normal "string" doesn't work
16:46 <wrtlprnft> opera changelog
16:46 <wrtlprnft> UNIX:
16:46 <wrtlprnft> Plug-ins work better now.
16:46 <wrtlprnft> The tray icon can now be disabled with the command line option -notrayicon
16:46 <wrtlprnft> opera rocks!
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> I like this. "Cycle width is bad because of <blah>"
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> Luci: "Well, <blah> has always been the case anyway, what's changed?"
16:47 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to wait for the next beta/release, the weeklies are too experimental for me
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> or "<blah> has always been dumb, what's changed?"
16:48 * wrtlprnft should really stop doing monologues
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> I broke it up...
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> your monologue, I broke it up
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> at least, the last part of it
16:49 <wrtlprnft> thanks
16:49 <wrtlprnft> and now, where did my debug symbols go?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=55521#55521 <--- feel like reading a book?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> didn't read it yet, same with your cockpit post :P
16:50 <wrtlprnft> i'll read it later though
16:51 * wrtlprnft thinks this is the fastest- growing thread in the history of these forums
16:51 <Vanhayes> it is really long for a topic started a ittle over 12 hours ago
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #0 0xb7918057 in isspace () from /lib/libc.so.6
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #1 0x081c2737 in cls (this=0x82ce110) at rFont.cpp:845
16:51 <wrtlprnft> cls() doesn't even call isspace!
16:52 * wrtlprnft thinks he got too much sun and his brain is stopping to work
16:53 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screenshot_8.png
16:53 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screenshot_3.png
16:53 <wrtlprnft> 2nd one
16:53 <wrtlprnft> why 8?!
17:04 * n54 hates laptops without independent volume control
17:04 * n54 is sick of hearing windows and knoppix chirping
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> that is a fast-growing thread, maybe I should stop posting in it for awhile.
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: heh, even after you go through the hole, you still have to sumo the goalie
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> I might agree if we hadn't all gone to sumo and learned how to fight for real
17:15 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 10000000
17:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 80
17:15 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 11000000
17:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: C0
17:15 <Vanhayes> but you only have to sumo if it is one holer and one hole user, if u add just one more hole user there is no sumo
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> more reason to have multiple defenders. A second defender jumping in and closing off most of the zone, going back out, and then circling while the goalie resets deals with it
17:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: I tried to restrain Omega and Psyko ... I really don't like their approach ... at least Omega behaved like someone took away his favorite toy :(
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17:35 <joda_bot> In file included from ../../winlibs/SDL/include/SDL_config.h:38,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ../../winlibs/SDL/include/SDL_stdinc.h:28,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ../../winlibs/SDL/include/SDL_rwops.h:30,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ../../winlibs/SDL_mixer/mikmod/mikmod.h:525,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ../../winlibs/SDL_mixer/mikmod/mikmod_build.h:1,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ..\..\winlibs\SDL_mixer\mikmod\/mikmod_internals.h:40,
17:35 <joda_bot> from ..\..\winlibs\SDL_mixer\mikmod\mmalloc.c:33:
17:36 <joda_bot> ../../winlibs/SDL/include/SDL_config_win32.h:49: error: redefinition of typedef 'int8_t'
17:36 <joda_bot> E:/Programme/CodeBlocks/include/stdint.h:27: error: previous declaration of 'int8_t' was here
17:36 <joda_bot> ../../winlibs/SDL/include/SDL_config_win32.h:50: error: redefinition of typedef 'uint8_t'
17:36 <joda_bot> E:/Programme/CodeBlocks/include/stdint.h:28: error: previous declaration of 'uint8_t' was here
17:36 <joda_bot> Any idea how to fix this ?
17:38 <joda_bot> SDL_config_win32.h form winlibs typedefs int8_t (either based on another definition of unsigned or signed int) or the compiler just does not recognize the nested typedefs
17:39 <joda_bot> The conflicting lines themselves match exactly but one typedef might build upon a previous redefinition of signed int ?
17:39 <z-man> It doesn't matter if the lines match, a redefinition is an illegal redefinition :(
17:39 <joda_bot> hm
17:40 <z-man> Maybe there is some #ifdef you can set to disable one of the definitions?
17:40 <joda_bot> I can fix it by replacing the typedefs by #include "stdint.h" but I'm not sure the definitions match then
17:40 <joda_bot> I looked at the MSVC build file
17:41 <z-man> Well, there is not much choice for typedefs for int8_t and uint8_t, right?
17:42 <joda_bot> The MSVC file excludes UndefinePreprocessorDefinitions="../SDL/"/>
17:42 <z-man> Are you trying to upgrade to SDL 1.2.10?
17:42 <joda_bot> replace excludes by "does"
17:42 <joda_bot> Yes, I'm trying to compile SDL_mixer actually
17:42 <joda_bot> based on 1.2.10
17:43 <z-man> I'd just edit SDL_config_win32.h. That's why we have all the stuff in our own repository.
17:43 <joda_bot> Is there a way with MinGW to "undefinePreprocessorDefinitions"
17:43 <z-man> Perhaps a better solution presents itself later.
17:43 <z-man> typedefs aren't preprocessor definitions...
17:44 <joda_bot> z-man: I already did and commited that, but once I got cracks while the music or sound plays
17:44 <z-man> That's certainly unrelated :)
17:44 <z-man> If you get the basic typedefs wrong, worse things happen.
17:44 <joda_bot> and with the mp3 support the application crashes right away, but that might be my fault as I tried to generate a import lib from a dll
17:45 <joda_bot> If it's just some integer alignments ?
17:45 <joda_bot> I thought that might cause problems with sound playback, but would not be noticed otherwise ?
17:46 <z-man> I'd say it would give lots of overflow errors if you make the type too small.
17:46 <z-man> But seriously, what else can an int8 be other than a char?
17:46 <z-man> (On our suppored hardware)
17:47 <joda_bot> ok, so I fixed it, and just have to look elsewhere for bugs fine ;-)
17:49 <joda_bot> I'm going to bed .. .good night all
17:49 <joda_bot> thx z-man for the help
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17:50 * z-man is in bed, too
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, how does "the change makes it easier for the less skilled" always seem to mean "It makes it harder for me", and still somehow translate to "I am less skilled"?
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18:18 <n54> congruity of logic isn't a common trait, that's why :)
18:19 <n54> that's not to say Im any better, humainty is all about "rational irrationality" ^^
18:21 <n54> I haven't played with width but to me exploring "the impossible" of not having any width was/is quite enchanting, there's always room etc.
18:21 <n54> that and 90 degree turns ^^
18:22 <n54> me still wonders exactly where the pivot point is in relation to the bike in those turns
18:22 <n54> uh /me :S
18:25 <n54> meh... my next task is to figure out how to enable apci or apm on the laptop I'm messing with *fear* and then to get the fn keys working :S *should probably just shut it off and do it another day*
18:25 <n54> you're running linux on a laptop right Lucifer? did you manage to work it out?
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18:45 <Lucifer_arma> yes and yes n54
18:46 <n54> cool
19:04 <Vanhayes> hmm who is shrunklands admin? anyone know? he just kicked me out for no reason.
19:05 <n54> no idea
19:08 <Vanhayes> o well guess it doesnt really matter
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20:50 <wrtlprnft> 6 pages!
20:50 <wrtlprnft> gosh. babies
20:51 <n54> 6 pages of babies? ^^
20:51 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:52 <n54> like hot babes? not sliming little humans?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> like whining
20:54 <n54> oh :( 6 pages!!! what are you reading? :S
20:54 <wrtlprnft> the thread about cycle width
20:54 <n54> oh I get it, about the width thing
20:54 <n54> :)
20:55 <n54> we need milliseconds on the timestamps here to see who was first ;)
20:55 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:55 <n54> :)
20:55 <wrtlprnft> maybe even ping charity?
20:55 <n54> lol yes ^^
20:56 <wrtlprnft> you know, so if someone high- pinged says something at the same time as someone low- pinged they get the same timestamp
20:56 <n54> hehe
20:58 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=55981#55981
20:58 <wrtlprnft> how... useful...
20:59 <n54> *clicks*
20:59 <n54> a lot of flooding going on
21:00 <n54> people have too short dicks, we need more spam! >:|
21:01 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:01 * wrtlprnft goes dig out his old visual basic prime number program
21:01 <n54> uh-oh :S :)
21:02 <wrtlprnft> I think i got 10MB worh of prime numbers in the end
21:03 <wrtlprnft> after running it for 2 weeks nonstop
21:03 <wrtlprnft> on a windows machine!
21:03 <n54> well I'm no windows-hater :)
21:04 <wrtlprnft> well, the machine eventually crashed
21:04 <wrtlprnft> !!!! Louven is figthing on the same side as Lucifer_arma!
21:04 <n54> no idea who that is
21:04 <wrtlprnft> Louven = oscilloscope
21:04 <n54> oh oscilloscope
21:04 <wrtlprnft> = freaking annoying guy :P
21:05 * wrtlprnft = freaking annoying guy too
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21:05 * n54 has 1024x1024 resolution versions of his not-anywhere-completed arma theme ^^
21:05 <wrtlprnft> that's a bit much i guess
21:05 <wrtlprnft> 4MB memory
21:05 <n54> no, very pretty
21:06 <n54> 4MB is nothing on most computers
21:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, on the graphics card it does have an effect
21:06 <wrtlprnft> my card has 32MB memory i think
21:06 <n54> of course I have smaller resolutions too for those who notice 1024 being to big, both 512 and 256
21:06 <wrtlprnft> might be 64, no clue
21:06 <n54> I can never remember either but the stuff I have is old
21:07 <n54> not I believe multpile choices within a theme will ever be supported ^^
21:07 <wrtlprnft> VideoRam 32768
21:07 <n54> not that*
21:07 <wrtlprnft> that's my xorg.conf
21:07 <wrtlprnft> no idea what would happen if i put 64*1024 in there
21:08 <n54> not much most likely
21:08 * wrtlprnft just tried some random power of two in there
21:08 <n54> as in you would probably not notice any performance issues
21:08 <wrtlprnft> and was happy it worked :P
21:08 <n54> oh I thought you typoed
21:09 <n54> heh you got a 64*1024 screen? ^^
21:11 <n54> or was it for the videoram?
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21:28 <Lucifer_arma> you know, silly and I are in agreement about lots of things, we just have fundamental attitude differences that pitch us at odds from time to time
21:28 * Lucifer_arma noticed this very early, back when silly was new here
21:39 * wrtlprnft learned not to disagree with Lucifer_arma if he doesn't want a two page long answer post
21:40 <n54> lol :)
21:44 * wrtlprnft is tempted to make a bunch of new accounts on the forums to vote on that poll
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23:17 <Lucifer_arma> so, if I wind up with a negative number when figuring out the volume of a solid using a washer and an integral, can I take the absolute value of it as my answer?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> or does the negative mean I messed up?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> my cycle's gained weight, I'm gonna go work some of it off
Log from 2006-06-08:
--- Day changed Thu Jun 08 2006
00:04 * spidey yawns
00:29 * Lucifer_arma watches a fly go into spidey's mouth
00:30 * spidey throws bones at lucifer
00:32 * Lucifer_arma outgrinds the bones
00:32 <spidey> :/
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> I squeeze killed myself a lot :)
00:32 <spidey> heh
00:32 <spidey> fortress is dead
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> there's an old attack I used to make that I picked up from root down a long time ago that fails with fat cycles
00:33 * Lucifer_arma is going to find a new alias, heh
00:34 <spidey> for somereason everytime i try they figure out it's me
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll change up my instant chats for this and see how long I can go before getting called out
00:42 <spidey> lol
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01:03 * spidey slaps lucifer
01:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
01:39 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME
01:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
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02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 Happy birthday to yoU!
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 Happy birthday to yoU!
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 Happy birthday dear guru3!
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 Happy birthday to yoU!
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:54 <guru3> should i be offended by the capital U ?
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> yes
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> it's very insulting
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> fear the capital U
03:30 <spidey> lol
03:30 <spidey> happy birthday :p
03:40 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna play sumo?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'm going to bed
03:43 <spidey> :(
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05:55 <spidey> sup Maz
05:55 <MaZuffeR> spidey :)
05:55 <spidey> :)
05:56 <spidey> i'm at my moms
05:56 <spidey> took one of my computers with me,lol
05:56 <MaZuffeR> hehe
05:56 <spidey> figured out why i slide so much in tron
05:56 <spidey> this connection is hella lot slower than mine
05:56 <spidey> yet i don't slide
05:56 <spidey> so something must be wrong with mine
05:57 <MaZuffeR> connection speed doesn't matter much
05:57 <spidey> in a way it does
05:57 <spidey> here i get 45kb/s download
05:57 <spidey> and 14kb/s upload
05:58 <spidey> at home i get 420kb/s down and 30kb/s up
05:58 <spidey> i shouldn't have a problem at home
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06:53 <wrtlprnft> guru3: happy birthday :)
06:55 <guru3> thank you
07:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
07:00 <Luke-Jr> one more day, and s,guru3,luke-jr,
07:00 <Luke-Jr> =p
07:01 <guru3> , being / right?
07:04 <Luke-Jr> or , or . or any other character
07:05 <Luke-Jr> , is most common in our scripts
07:05 <guru3> mm ok
07:05 <guru3> same day as my dad then
07:05 <Luke-Jr> o.o
07:05 <Luke-Jr> heh, my wife was born on her mom's bday
07:06 <guru3> my brother
07:06 <guru3> has 3 kids right
07:06 <Luke-Jr> only 3?
07:06 <guru3> almost all of them the same bday
07:06 <guru3> and his wife
07:06 <Luke-Jr> hmm
07:06 <guru3> iirc
07:06 <Luke-Jr> weird
07:06 <guru3> brb
07:07 <Luke-Jr> probably convenient somewhat tho =p
07:07 * Luke-Jr goes to sleep
07:07 <Luke-Jr> night
07:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 14:07:32 < Luke-Jr> only 3? <-- WTF?
07:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only?
07:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 3 is like a lot aint it?
07:08 <MaZuffeR> i wouldn't call 3 a lot, but 1.7 is average in Finland
07:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1.4 in switzerland iirc
07:11 <guru3> my question is
07:11 <guru3> who the heck memorizes that sort of info
07:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun memorize
07:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i heard it lately
07:11 <MaZuffeR> i just remember random things
07:12 <MaZuffeR> and my number memory is very good
07:12 <guru3> mmmkay
07:22 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: 3 is pathetic for more than 3 or 4 years
07:22 <Luke-Jr> average is worse than pathetic
07:22 <Luke-Jr> these days
07:24 <Luke-Jr> average is deadly
07:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
07:28 <Luke-Jr> in Finland, anyway
07:28 <Luke-Jr> I don't know #s for elsewhere =p
07:29 <MaZuffeR> how is it deadly? population is still increasing beacuse of immigration
07:29 <MaZuffeR> *because
07:30 <Luke-Jr> immigration does not increase population
07:30 <Luke-Jr> it just moves it
07:30 <MaZuffeR> i'm sure the world average is over 2
07:36 <Luke-Jr> doubt it
07:36 <Luke-Jr> especially when you consider China
07:37 <Luke-Jr> anyway, bed time for me
07:37 <MaZuffeR> 'night
07:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: care to make your upload script accept cockpit resources?
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07:52 <omega_> hey all
07:53 <omega_> and then there was silence
07:54 <MaZuffeR> hi
07:55 <MaZuffeR> silence is the normal state of this channel
07:55 <omega_> ahh lol
07:55 <omega_> hey maz
07:55 <omega_> lol just a channel to look good :D
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08:16 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't mean we never talk...
08:17 <wrtlprnft> although he probably only came to whine about cycle width
08:17 <MaZuffeR> probably
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10:16 * spidey pokes maz
10:18 <MaZuffeR> don't poke me while i'm playing ;)
10:18 <spidey> lol
10:57 <MamaBear> Lucifer_arma: do you celebrate on Good Fridays?
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12:25 <Lucifer_arma> you mean Bad Friday?
12:30 <spidey> lmao
12:30 <spidey> someone tried to ban me,from my server
12:30 <spidey> i have a 16-33 ping on it
12:30 <MaZuffeR> lol
12:30 <spidey> on a slower than dsl speed connection,and 150miles from the server
12:33 <spidey> MaZ,i host a deathmatch server from my house,there was only 2 people in it i was like hmmm,it's usually full,someone else joined and i saw "player has been kicked and banned for 60 minutes",so i told them to stop trying to admin my server,they told me to stfu :/
12:34 <MaZuffeR> isn't possible to change so that three votes is needed to kick someone?
12:34 <spidey> i changed the vote percentage to 110%
12:34 <spidey> which it's impossible to get 110% of the people to vote yes
12:34 <spidey> so it disables polls
12:36 <MaZuffeR> that works too...
12:36 <spidey> these two where kinda brain dead,lol
12:36 <spidey> after i kicked them once (usually i ban for that) they came back and tried to kick me(AGAIN)
12:37 <MaZuffeR> lol
12:37 <spidey> it's a good thing these servers have a remote admin console,i'd be banned from my own server till i got home
12:37 <spidey> lol
12:38 <spidey> spidey@3[~]$ uptime
12:38 <spidey> 13:38:05 up 8 days, 20:53, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
12:38 <spidey> my server's idle with that soldat server running on it
12:38 <spidey> ;x
12:40 * spidey is watching king kong,meh
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, fortress is full with the squeeze death
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> I thought everybody hated that
12:42 <spidey> people won't play on other servers if there ping is high
12:42 <spidey> most the fortress players have really low pings on it
12:42 <spidey> plus z-man changed the width to .25
12:43 <spidey> even i can take center 50% of the time
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> man, I just went screaming down the center, with cycle width at 0.25!
12:58 * Lucifer_arma thinks people just want to whine
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> only reason I didn't wipe out the goalie was because I missed the hole, heh
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> (there was a hole at the bottom I wanted to go through)
13:04 <spidey> 3d my ass :p
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> how many people playing with fake names right now?
13:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol why should anyone not play with a fake name?
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> fake name is in "name different from people know you as" :)
13:34 <spidey> people always know who i am for somereason
13:34 <spidey> maybe it's cause lucifer tells everyone
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska picked me out at least, I think madmax did too but didn't say anything
13:35 <spidey> i knew who you was as soon as i saw you
13:35 <spidey> you was the only other one with a ping that matched mine
13:35 <spidey> heh
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> thaha
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> er
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> you can tell I was just playing, "t" is my talk key
13:35 <spidey> sheh
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, I even changed all my instant chats for this one :(
13:36 * spidey is watching spanish tv
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska figured it on name completion
13:36 <spidey> and i can't understand a fucking word
13:37 <spidey> 2 days till i go home!
13:37 <spidey> also cahrter is getting a call when i get home
13:37 <spidey> i get less slide on a hella slower connection than i do on mine
13:37 <spidey> that's gay
13:48 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the upload script allows automatic uploads only for particular DTDs-- one requirement is that they be release DTDs; so, once 0.3.0 is released, cockpit should have a DTD that meets that requirement
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13:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: as a small reminder, the upload script is not meant to allow uploads of any valid resource, merely the common cases.
13:49 <Luke-Jr> everything outside that range can still go manually
13:49 <Luke-Jr> though I'd be hesitant to accept a resource which may not ever be supported in a release version
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14:50 <Your_mom_arma> hey
15:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> hi Your_mom_arma
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> what fake name are you using ingame now?
15:09 <Your_mom_arma> 7
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I had you figured out as a phony but not yet placed
15:10 * Lucifer_arma is 3d Man
15:10 <Your_mom_arma> ph
15:10 <Your_mom_arma> oh
15:18 <spidey> you wonder how many times i gotta say i'ma breaking hella early before the wingman gets it
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15:25 <Lucifer_arma> more than once, I'm sure
15:27 <spidey> well....i tked him everytime
15:27 <spidey> i'm not breaking normal when the other team is faster and i have nowhere to go
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> that is an appropriate response :)
15:27 <spidey> so he can die or break about half way
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> break early and the front guys play wide defense, the guys behind him break and turn around waiting for the middle to clear up and attack from the middle
15:28 <spidey> yea
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> I always found that works better against double-grinders than double-grinding yourself :)
15:29 <spidey> heh
15:29 <spidey> double grinding can win the round,if the person knows how
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's about concentration of force. Double-rinding yourself lets you match the other team man for man, but breaking early lets you concentrate force on him,
15:29 <spidey> i'e never killed a wingman or center from it
15:30 <spidey> on accident
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> and concentrated force beats man-to-man any day
15:30 <spidey> i've killed then on purpose for being assholes though :p
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, center's being an asshole I just run him into the other team's wall and use his hole to attack :)
15:30 <spidey> LOL
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> that works with nongrinders too, surprisingly enough
15:31 <spidey> yea
15:31 <spidey> i'ma dread resetting up my network in 3 days
15:31 <spidey> :/
15:31 <spidey> i nrought the router and one of the computers to my moms with me
15:31 <spidey> brought*
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I did that once with a hotel room, then it turned out their network required me to access a web page in the router before it would let me do anything,
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> making the phone I brought with me useless :(
15:32 <spidey> lol
15:32 <spidey> get this
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> next time I'll have a crossover cable and my laptop configured to share the network. A simple cron job to keep the hotel's network open should fix that.
15:33 <spidey> i put winxp pro corp. on a 400mhx p2 i overclocked to 630mhz and has 64mb of ram and a 4 gig hdd
15:33 <spidey> tweaked it
15:33 <spidey> and it runs smooth
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, is that it or is there a second half of this story?
15:34 <Your_mom_arma> why bother paying for a windows install for that...
15:34 <spidey> who says i payed for it?
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> if you didn't get the source, you bought it
15:35 <Your_mom_arma> fair enough
15:35 <spidey> i can talk microsoft into giving me the activation keys
15:35 <spidey> cause i'm that damn good :p
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> or they really care that damn little :P
15:35 <spidey> exactly
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15:35 <spidey> all i do is say "i formattec because of a virus"
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> you could call them every day with that :)
15:36 <spidey> they say " do you have this cd installed on more than one computer",i say " no "
15:36 <spidey> then i read my keys
15:36 <spidey> they give me theres
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> /team Uninstall all viruses and worms!
15:36 <spidey> fsimple :p
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> Microsoft should consider the liveCD route to enforce their licensing. :)
15:37 <spidey> lol
15:37 <spidey> someone would crack it
15:37 <spidey> rip the cd,crack it,reburn it
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> with some grub we could probably still get around it, though
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, just copy the files and configure grub to boot windows :)
15:37 <spidey> theyyea
15:37 <spidey> yea*
15:38 <spidey> but really,i have a pirated/activated winxppro corp. cd,i wouldn't bother doing that :p
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> not that I do that shit or anything. :) Only closed source software I'm running right now is my nvidia driver, and this java app that came with my calc textbook
15:38 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
15:38 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> #quote
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> not random quote?
15:39 <spidey> #q 1
15:39 <armabot> spidey: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
15:39 <spidey> ?
15:39 <spidey> i said 1!!!!
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 01:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't a 1
15:39 <spidey> oh
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
15:39 <spidey> #eightball is Lucifer_arma secretly gay!?
15:39 <armabot> spidey: Yes!
15:39 <spidey> hahahaha
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> who says it's a secret? heh
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not many in there, I guess
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by wrtlprnft at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
15:40 <spidey> #eightball iis the moon big?
15:40 <armabot> spidey: Maybe...
15:40 <spidey> #eightball iis the moon big?
15:40 <armabot> spidey: What are you asking me for?
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
15:40 <spidey> #eightball is the moon big?
15:40 <armabot> spidey: No.
15:40 <spidey> liar
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> #quote random
15:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 11:41 PM, March 30, 2006)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, how many?
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> #q 14
15:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> #q 15
15:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q 16
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q 17
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 09:44 AM, March 29, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q 18
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 01:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q 19
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by wrtlprnft at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q 5
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> this thing is lying to me
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> #q
15:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
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15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night dudes
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sleep well
16:01 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 23:01:32 up 47 days, 23:06, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
16:02 <wrtlprnft> way to go to beat me. I recommend you set your system clock a bit faster
16:02 <spidey> spidey@3[~]$ uptime
16:02 <spidey> 17:02:16 up 9 days, 17 min, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00
16:02 <spidey> i've only had mepis installed 9 days
16:03 <wrtlprnft> you'll make some stupid mistake one day, i guarantee you
16:03 <spidey> nah,only thing that'll get me is a power outage
16:03 <spidey> i do almost everything over ssh
16:03 * wrtlprnft does everything over ssh :P
16:03 <spidey> so no accidental shutdowns :p
16:04 <spidey> and i don't have the power button hooked up
16:04 <wrtlprnft> or a critical kernel update :P
16:04 <spidey> lol
16:04 <wrtlprnft> that'll destroy the uptime :(
16:04 <spidey> hehe
16:05 <spidey> it'll be fine like it is for now :p
16:05 <spidey> i'm just learning how to use it anyways
16:05 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:06 <spidey> untill soldat,halo,and swat4 come on for linux which they won't,i need a windows box :p
16:06 <spidey> or wine inproves with games
16:07 <wrtlprnft> who needs all that stuff?
16:07 <wrtlprnft> there's armagetron!
16:08 <spidey> i payed $30 for halo and $35 for swat4
16:08 <spidey> i'ma play it!
16:08 * wrtlprnft paid $0.00000000000 for armagetron and still plays it
16:08 <spidey> and? i like to play 3d shooting games sometimes
16:08 <wrtlprnft> pig sty?
16:09 <spidey> :|
16:09 <wrtlprnft> bzflag (beurks)?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> aa?
16:15 <spidey> i want a 10ft burmese python
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16:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 10 ft in m
16:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 10 feet = 3.04800 meters
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> the nice thing about using an alias is that people don't expect you to be good
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is that people try to convince you to doublegrind
16:17 <spidey> yea
16:17 <spidey> pythons can get upto 30ft
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 30 foot dick
16:17 <spidey> in your dreams
16:17 <spidey> in life it's like 3cm
16:18 <wrtlprnft> (that means his wife stepped on it 30 times)
16:18 <spidey> hahaha
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> my wife tried to estimate how many miles of dick I've given her one time
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think she was just trying to make me feel better for having a 3 inch penis
16:20 <spidey> HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> but she does like that diameter
16:21 <spidey> i'ma putting that on bash.org
16:21 <spidey> lmao
16:25 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know how i select a GTK style?
16:25 <wrtlprnft> I used gconf for that, but it's gone
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16:30 <spidey> hahaha
16:30 <spidey> owned! pwned! shut the hell up!
16:30 <spidey> that's someones sig on a forum
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> I love my bass
16:37 <spidey> how much you got?
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> damn redneck thinks I'm talking about fish
16:38 <MaZuffeR> lol
16:38 <spidey> no......
16:38 <spidey> i got 2 12s and around 15 speakers
16:38 <spidey> only 1 12 and 4 speakers hooked up
16:38 <spidey> i'm scared i'll overload the stereo with them all
16:39 <GodTodd> he's talking about a 4 stringer spidey ;)
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> now the damn redneck thinks I"m talking about speakers
16:39 <spidey> :|
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> next he'll ask if I bought it at walmart
16:39 <GodTodd> didn't you? :D
16:39 * GodTodd runs.
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> waaaa, I think I've just worked out one of the songs I had going for arma
16:46 * Lucifer_arma wonders if his computer would be easy or hard to mic the bass right now
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> gomes and joe and kamp were wanting me to take it back into their teamspeak server...
16:49 * Lucifer_arma decides to check it anyway, has to be setup for the guitar to come through
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16:52 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i have an utf8 branch :)
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> there is soooo much dust on my guitar
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> my bass is totally free of dust, but my guitar is covered
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17:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.think-aboutit.com/omega/files/omega18.htm
17:52 <spidey> MaZuffeR, ?
17:52 <MaZuffeR> ? ?
17:52 <spidey> does soldat start for you?
17:53 <MaZuffeR> yes
17:53 <spidey> grrrrr
17:53 <spidey> weird,it doesn't for me and peoplefrom the clan posted on the forums it wasn't for them....
17:54 <spidey> it just hangs in the background
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18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> wb i guess
18:09 <spidey> clicked the "X" on accident
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:11 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
18:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 01:11:06 up 48 days, 1:16, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> damn, people really do bitch at you for anything if your name is unfamiliar
18:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:12 <wrtlprnft> i like using my name, it keeps people from annoying me too much
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, actually I'm Lucifer, and the reason I'm breaking late is because I was playing with MaZuffeR earlier and he could handle it, so that's wht I'm used to. Give me an extra round to adjust, if you don't mind, I'm sorry for killing you."
18:12 <wrtlprnft> and of course, i'd give myself away by using tab completion :P
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Ghableska picked up on that earlier :(
18:13 <wrtlprnft> i could go and rename myself to RTFM :P
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I wouldn't have been so annoyed with Vogel if JJBean hadn't ripped into me for apparently not suiciding and allowing my betters to play
18:14 <wrtlprnft> and then to wRTFMrnft ;)
18:14 <spidey> lucifer,now you see what i mean :)
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> about what, spidey?
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> people just bitching at unfamiliar names?
18:15 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> heh, I wouldn't have been so annoyed with Vogel if JJBean hadn't ripped into me for apparently not suiciding and allowing my betters to play
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, you missed it. See, I was attacking, but there were two defenders in front of me I was trying to get around. JJBean was following me, and he bitched that I was blocking him from attacking
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> of course, he didn't see that he would've had to deal with the two defenders in front of me that were doing a fine job of blocking me
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> if they could block me, they'd have killed JJBean outright
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, next round, this guy who I suspect is Your_mom was following me, and I was making that really quick rush that happens when you manage to outgrind the other team
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> but they ran a close defender on that side, and when I got there, I had to turn around or die, so I turned around.
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> According to JJBean, this was an attempted teamkill because this other guy had been following me. He apparently didn't see me steer wide to allow the other guy room.
18:17 <spidey> well,i'ma go play and piss people off
18:17 <spidey> it's what i do best
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> he also didn't see the tight grind that had been laid on the back wall that led to my decision to pull out and try something else
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, go to sumo and harass jjbean for me :)
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's where he went
18:18 <spidey> lol
18:19 <spidey> actually,i'ma goto fortress
18:19 <spidey> i have a reason to break really early now
18:19 <spidey> lol
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18:25 <madmax|pt> hi all
18:26 <madmax|pt> wrtl, the rubber is really going down too fast
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18:48 <joda_bot> hi
18:49 <joda_bot> oh, happy birthday guru3 :-)
18:49 <joda_bot> (I guess)
18:50 <joda_bot> #message z-man* I got some bug reports in german, that ArmagetronAd has serious flaws when started on Windows 98
18:50 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
18:51 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: we should try to get some Windows 98 testers
18:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:51 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: you did agree ?
18:51 <joda_bot> you don't
18:51 <wrtlprnft> i have a windows98 machine here, but it is a) my homestay mother's and b) it sucks
18:51 <wrtlprnft> yes i do
18:52 <wrtlprnft> if you can find them :P
18:55 <joda_bot> isn't Iceman still using W9x ?
18:56 <wrtlprnft> yes, but it's 99.9% hacked
18:56 <wrtlprnft> probably not a good base for testing
19:14 <joda_bot> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=57001#57001
19:16 <joda_bot> off to bed again
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19:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: is there a way we can get sortresources.py to output parser error messages like arma does?
19:19 <Lucifer_arma> need to run it through a validating parser, which it doesn't right now, afaik
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> should be able to give it a DTDHndler and EntityResolver to make it validate
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> then, iirc, it throws an exception when the document doesn't validate. You have to catch the exception to get a more useful error out of it.
19:22 * wrtlprnft isn't a good python programmer
19:36 * wrtlprnft wonders why Luke-Jr's grammer correction has a typo
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> grammAr correction? Where?
19:38 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/
19:39 <wrtlprnft> - std::cout << thesong.title << ", by " << thesong.author << "
19:39 <wrtlprnft> ";
19:39 <wrtlprnft> + std::cout << thesong.title << " by " << thesong.author << "
19:39 <wrtlprnft> ";
19:39 <wrtlprnft> the first one isn't elegant, but still correct
19:39 <wrtlprnft> and the log message has a typo :P
19:45 <MaZuffeR> spidey: there's a guy on zombie server who joined blue, come kick him
19:45 <MaZuffeR> nvm, dragon was there
19:45 <spidey> :p
19:47 <spidey> maz,dragon said she slaps you for not saying hi,and that she's wizzee aka wolverine
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19:59 <spidey> i have a idea
20:00 <spidey> vga to tv crossover
21:00 <MaZuffeR> spidey: someone joined zombies again
21:04 <spidey> script isn't working :/
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22:45 <wrtlprnft> no more cycle_width?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> :(((((((((
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:22 <spidey> dude
23:23 <spidey> 3 people stole my bed.....
23:23 <spidey> i bed damned if i'm sleeping on the floor,i'll roll them outta my bed :|
23:23 <spidey> i be*
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23:49 <spidey> if i have to put up with one more day of a spanish channel,i'ma massacure everyone in this house >.>
23:49 <spidey> holy shit maz,you addicted to soldat now? :p
23:50 <spidey> you've been in there like all day,lol
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23:52 <spidey> wb
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's not really there, that's just his client logging in and out automatically
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> (last time I said that, he really was there)
Log from 2006-06-09:
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00:16 <spidey> lol
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00:16 <MaZuffeR> spidey: more like all night O.o
00:16 <spidey> lmao
00:17 <spidey> you're addicted :p
00:17 <spidey> i was once myself
00:17 <spidey> it's a fun game,it's like trons fortress
00:17 <MaZuffeR> no, just don't want to stop when i'm starting to get a hang of it
00:17 <spidey> hehehehe
00:18 <spidey> man,my luck sucks
00:19 <spidey> my mom went to sleep,now i'm in a room with 3 mexicans and don't know how to tell them i'm ready to goto sleep so they'll get out
00:19 <spidey> meh
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> adios amigos
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> vamanos amigos
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> the second one first, then the first
00:25 <spidey> hmm
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> throw in some por favors and graciases also
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, just put their beer outside
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> they'll leave on their own
00:26 <spidey> one turned on MTV and looked at me "you like this?"
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> si senor. vamanos por favor.
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how to say "I want to go to sleep"
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> use some sign language
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> not middle-finger, either
00:29 <spidey> lol
00:29 <spidey> i'm not really that tired right now,i feel asleep at the table and one of them opened the fridge and woke me up
00:31 <spidey> shit
00:31 <spidey> i forgot my ip at home
00:31 <spidey> grrr
00:31 <spidey> [spidey_] (n=spidey@66-168-145-125.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) : spide
00:31 <spidey> gotta love /whois :x
00:39 <spidey> oh mi dios que la pinche el hax
00:41 <spidey> el lucifer tiene gusto de hombres
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> haha, no hablo espanol motherfucker!
00:42 <spidey> lol
00:42 <spidey> "lucifer likes men"
00:43 <spidey> and "oh my god what the fuck hax"
00:44 <spidey> el lucifer come poop
00:44 <spidey> :P:
00:44 <spidey> LOL
00:51 <spidey> #tell Lucifer_arma HI!!!!
00:52 <spidey> #list alias
00:52 <armabot> spidey: #, (, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, knock, less, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, (1 more message)
00:52 <spidey> #help
00:52 <armabot> spidey: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:52 <spidey> #hello
00:52 <armabot> Hello spidey :)
00:52 <spidey> #digg
00:52 <armabot> spidey: Georgetown research leads to first cancer vaccine! || Amazon selling Ubuntu DVDs || Getting your World Cup fix without a TV || Clockless ARM core set to lead HotChips embedded session || BT exec pins Google as 'our biggest threat' || "Cryptic Species" of Shark Discovered || Nintendo DS can be used as a touch screen controller for the Wii || Speed cameras accidentally get (5 more messages)
00:53 <spidey> #it's
00:53 <armabot> who?
00:53 <spidey> #man
00:53 <armabot> spidey: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
00:53 <spidey> #man
00:53 <armabot> spidey: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
00:53 <spidey> #man Lucifer_arma
00:53 <armabot> spidey: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
00:54 <spidey> #eightballs
00:54 <armabot> spidey: The answer is a resounding no.
00:54 <spidey> #eightballs
00:54 <armabot> spidey: You're kidding, right?
00:54 <spidey> #eightballs is lucifer really satan!?
00:54 <armabot> spidey: NO.
00:54 <spidey> pwn
00:56 <guru3> i wonder why it's eightballs
00:56 <guru3> i mean
00:56 <guru3> who's gote 8 balls.
00:57 <spidey> i got eightlegs
00:57 <spidey> does that count?
00:57 <guru3> haha
00:57 <spidey> :p
00:58 <spidey> happy birthday :p
00:58 <guru3> thanks
00:59 <spidey> you 18 now?
00:59 <guru3> yeah
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> luci, come into teamspeak and play your bass.
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> THERE'S NO ONE FRIGGIN THERE!
01:00 <guru3> haha
01:00 <guru3> oops
01:00 <guru3> i can come for about 8 minutes before i have to go catch my train to work :/
01:00 <spidey> at this rate man,you're gonna be gray in a few months,then have a wrinkled skin,then before to long....look like lucifer
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> heh, doesn't matter really, joe just gave me an open invitation, and I figured I was rockin' out anyway, might as well go in there.
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> up to you, but I don't have a microphone hooked up, so I can't talk
01:01 <guru3> lol
01:01 <guru3> that's ok
01:01 <guru3> i don't remember the address
01:01 <spidey> !
01:01 <guru3> and i turned off that comp's monitor already
01:01 <spidey> lucifer,you never come talk to me :(
01:01 <spidey> guru did once :p
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I never come and talk to anyone, it's nothing personal
01:02 <guru3> and there's a reason i haven't done it since
01:02 <guru3> ;)
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> I just now--just now installed the teamspeak client, and I knew where the post for joe's was :)
01:02 <spidey> :o
01:02 <spidey> i sound that bad ? :s
01:02 <guru3> jk
01:03 <spidey> :p
01:03 <MaZuffeR> i probably should get some sleep now so that I don't fall asleep while watching the world cup, good night
01:03 <spidey> lol,stop playing soldat so much :p
01:03 <spidey> it's bad for your eyes
01:03 <guru3> shit i hope this stuff finnishes copying to my laptop before i have to go
01:04 <guru3> it's my during work anime
01:04 <guru3> cause i dun wanna work today
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01:04 <spidey> lol
01:04 <guru3> curse you you slow 10/100!
01:04 * spidey has a 50mbit transfer over lan
01:05 <guru3> 600mb/4.6GB
01:05 <guru3> and i have to leave in about 6 minutes
01:05 <guru3> will it make it? :S
01:05 <spidey> how long has it been transfering?
01:05 <guru3> i dunno
01:05 <spidey> lol
01:05 <spidey> it's not
01:06 <guru3> running timing tests
01:06 <spidey> i love how people try to play admin on my servers when they think i'm not looking :/
01:06 <guru3> in 9.88 seconds
01:07 <guru3> 65216KB transfered
01:07 <spidey> it'll be done?
01:07 <spidey> oh
01:07 <spidey> nice
01:07 <spidey> i get like
01:07 <spidey> 1,596kb/s over lan
01:07 <spidey> should get more but the router's gay
01:07 <guru3> shit it's not gonna finnish
01:07 <guru3> fuck fuck fuck
01:08 <spidey> take both computers with you?
01:08 <guru3> 1.7/4.6
01:08 <guru3> yeah like i can take my file server with me
01:08 <spidey> rofl
01:08 <guru3> the fact that it weighs about 50lbs
01:08 <guru3> has NOTHING what soever to do with portability
01:08 <spidey> 50lbs?
01:08 <spidey> jeez
01:08 <guru3> it's a solid case
01:08 <guru3> and there are a lot of drives
01:09 <spidey> heh
01:09 <guru3> something like 1.3TB of storage
01:09 <guru3> i can't remember exactly
01:09 <guru3> if i run for the train instead of walk...
01:09 <spidey> if any of my computers weighed more than 20lbs they wouldn't move from where they are
01:09 <spidey> i'm that lazy
01:09 <guru3> which is why i'm not moving it
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:09 <guru3> i can wait like 4 more minutes
01:10 <spidey> ride a bike?
01:10 <spidey> ZOOM ZOOM
01:10 <guru3> more trouble than it's worth
01:10 <guru3> it's not that far to the station
01:10 <spidey> heh
01:10 <guru3> i think if i run i can make the station in like 3 minutes
01:10 <guru3> walking it's like 6
01:10 <guru3> 2.7GB :(
01:10 <spidey> kick it in the ass!
01:11 <spidey> i could burn 4.6gb faster than that's coping :p
01:11 <spidey> maybe...
01:11 <spidey> takes 30 sseconds to burn 700mb at 12x
01:11 <guru3> my laptops
01:11 <guru3> have never actually been new when i've got them
01:12 <guru3> so
01:12 <guru3> they all have problems
01:12 <spidey> heh
01:12 <guru3> one's addicted to drugs
01:12 <guru3> one can't stop drinking
01:12 <guru3> etc
01:12 <spidey> LOL
01:12 <guru3> ;)
01:12 <guru3> one's HD operates at 1MB/s top speed
01:12 <guru3> not sure wtf is wrong with that one
01:12 <spidey> damn
01:13 <guru3> 3.6GB
01:13 <spidey> this one is the only one i got that doesn't have anything wrong with it
01:13 <guru3> train in 8 minutes
01:13 <guru3> better find my shoes
01:13 <spidey> my nix box has problems with the mouse/keyboard input,and my ibm has 48mb of ram
01:13 <spidey> xD
01:14 <guru3> i'm off here
01:14 <guru3> bbl (when @ work)
01:14 <spidey> cya
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> poor guys on the lobster tub can't hang with me, heh
01:25 <spidey> LOL
01:25 * spidey comes to school luci
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> schooled, my ass
02:24 <guru3> at "work" back
02:24 <guru3> back = now
02:24 <guru3> the damn hd ran out of space before the transfer finnished
02:24 <guru3> cause of 7GB of temporary files lingering Oo
02:25 <guru3> and lemme tell ya
02:25 <guru3> booting linux with 0 free space
02:25 <guru3> is not happy
02:26 <guru3> haha excellent
02:26 <guru3> video full screen on one monitor
02:26 <guru3> ssh on the other
02:26 <guru3> it's brilliant!
02:27 <guru3> and if my mom catches me i'm dead meat
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> cool. Can you have her send you to me if that happens? I'll go see if I have enough freezer space...
02:58 <guru3> lol
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04:43 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: grammar != speeling
05:34 <Luke-Jr> wtf is armagetronad/win32?
05:39 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: yaart is joda
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> joda is yaart
05:55 <Luke-Jr> o
05:55 <Luke-Jr> so why is he messing up the build structure?
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> he's not messing up the build structure
05:56 <Luke-Jr> certainly looks like it
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> a better question, in my mind anyway, is why do we ship linux/unix/whatever makefiles with the source release, but not windows stuff?
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> Well, actually we do.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Then why are they in different svn directories? Ahhh, we've been talking about it here a lot.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> you should talk to z-man about it from here, he and I digress on specifics. :)
05:57 <Luke-Jr> we don't ship makefiles ;)
05:57 <Luke-Jr> not technically anyhow
05:58 <Luke-Jr> as for why, Make is a standard and our primary build method
05:58 <Luke-Jr> win32 & OS X are secondary build methods
05:59 <Luke-Jr> if you want win32/OSX stuff shipped with the source release, then the source releases should either be the entire tag directory (instead of tag/armagetronad), or tag/armagetronad should be moved to tag and everything moved somewhere logical within
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> right. secondary. I"m glad you used that word, because I was just asking why we treat windows and os x developers as second-class people, and why they put up with it.
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06:01 <Luke-Jr> They're secondary build methods, not platforms
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> "If youw ant to build the game in inux, you already have everything. If for Windows and OS X, you have to jump through all these hoops"
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06:01 <Luke-Jr> I'm pretty sure you can use automake in Win and OSX
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> sure, but they're not the primary build methods on those platforms.
06:01 <Luke-Jr> just as KDevelop should probably get a build/kdevelop dir
06:01 <Luke-Jr> platforms don't have primary build methods
06:01 <Luke-Jr> programs do
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> the primary build method on Windows is what joda's moving, and nemo's always kept his stuff there.
06:02 <Luke-Jr> Code::Blocks isn't even supported by M$
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't feel like arguing with a damn language lawyer. If you don't want to understand, there's nothing I can do for you.
06:02 * Lucifer_arma is away: doesn't want to talk to Luke-Jr
07:21 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
07:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 14:20:56 up 48 days, 14:26, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
07:23 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: cat armagetronad/AUTHORS
07:24 <wrtlprnft> The AA-DevTeam currently consists of (alphabetic username order):
07:24 <wrtlprnft> Real name SF username Forum name (empty if identical to SF name)
07:24 <wrtlprnft> Jochen Darley jarrt joda.bot
07:30 * wrtlprnft notices that there's a typo. His name is Yarrt
07:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: typo == grammar error == nitpicking
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10:31 <spidey> it's the maz dood!
10:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:31 <MaZuffeR> yes, it's me, you can sit down now
10:32 <spidey> :p
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
10:32 <armabot> spidey: 17:32:49 up 48 days, 17:37, 4 users, load average: 0.23, 0.08, 0.07
10:33 <spidey> ...
10:33 <spidey> why say spidey?
10:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:33 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> #uptime
10:33 <spidey> <armabot> spidey: 17:32:49 up 48 days, 17:37, 4 users, load average: 0.23, 0.08, 0.07
10:33 <wrtlprnft> so?
10:33 <spidey> you did #uptime
10:34 <wrtlprnft> #help uptime
10:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (uptime <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo spidey: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php]".
10:34 <spidey> shouldn't it have said wrtlprnft:
10:34 <spidey> oh
10:34 * wrtlprnft loves abusing aliases and the rss command
10:35 <spidey> spidey@3[~]$ uptime
10:35 <spidey> 11:35:22 up 9 days, 18:50, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
10:35 <wrtlprnft> boring. not efficient at all
10:36 <wrtlprnft> involves copy and paste :p
10:36 <spidey> ....
10:36 <spidey> and?
10:36 <wrtlprnft> well, i like being efficient :P
10:36 <wrtlprnft> #aluas add u uptime
10:37 <wrtlprnft> #alias add u uptime
10:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:37 <wrtlprnft> #u
10:37 <armabot> spidey: 17:37:02 up 48 days, 17:42, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.07
10:37 <wrtlprnft> won't get any better than that until i figure out how to get instant chat keys for irssi
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13:05 <wrtlprnft> #later tell phil* I just found out you CAN give a comp object to std::set. just say std::set<yourclasstostore, compobject> when you create it :)
13:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> #later tell phil* see http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/example/shared_ptr_example.cpp (2nd line of main())
13:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:03 <spidey> #tell wrtlprnft WTFHAX!!!!
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14:32 <guru3> anyone in the uk here?
14:48 <spidey> MY WATER WENT FLAT!
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15:08 <spidey> hayes,hayes,hayes,mrs hayes!
15:12 <Vanhayes> mrs?
15:16 <Vanhayes> #q 4
15:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 09:44 AM, March 29, 2006)
15:19 <Vanhayes> # canada
15:19 <armabot> 4
15:20 <Vanhayes> #list
15:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
15:21 <spidey> #list Vanhayes
15:21 <armabot> spidey: Error: 'Vanhayes' is not a valid plugin.
15:21 <spidey> #whois Vanhayes
15:22 <Vanhayes> #whois spidey
15:22 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
15:23 <Vanhayes> #news
15:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command
15:23 <Vanhayes> #weather
15:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
15:24 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
15:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 57?F / 14?C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers or drizzle. Showers beginning overnight. Amount 2 to 4 mm. Fog patches. Wind south 30 km/h. Low 12.; Saturday - Periods of rain. Risk of thundershowers in the morning. (1 more message)
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15:25 <Vanhayes> damn its gonna be a shitty weekend
15:27 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a girl?
15:27 <armabot> McSpiddles: No chance.
15:27 <Vanhayes> lol
15:27 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:27 <armabot> McSpiddles: You know the answer better than I.
15:28 <Vanhayes> so true
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15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: Maybe...
15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: Come again?
15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: Maybe...
15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: _I_ don't know.
15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is Vanhayes a man
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: You know the answer better than I.
15:28 <Vanhayes> avoiding the question
15:28 <McSpiddles> #eightball is god real?
15:28 <armabot> McSpiddles: Obviously.
15:28 <McSpiddles> :/
15:29 <McSpiddles> creepy :s
15:29 <McSpiddles> #eightball is satan real?
15:29 <armabot> McSpiddles: Maybe...
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15:32 <Nazurath> hmm got disconnected
15:33 <Nazurath> #list
15:33 <armabot> Nazurath: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
15:33 <Nazurath> #games
15:36 <Nazurath> spidey are you slackbear |mbc| in fortress?
15:41 <Nazurath> #herald
15:41 <Nazurath> #praise
15:41 <armabot> Nazurath: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:43 <Nazurath> #misc
15:45 <Nazurath> #dict
15:45 <armabot> Nazurath: (dict [<dictionary>] <word>) -- Looks up the definition of <word> on dict.org's dictd server.
15:48 <Nazurath> #dict Nazurath
15:48 <armabot> Nazurath: No definition for "Nazurath" could be found.
15:48 <Nazurath> #dict Canada
15:48 <armabot> Nazurath: wn, gazetteer, gcide, and foldoc responded: gazetteer: Canada, KY Zip code(s): 41519; foldoc: Canada Country with {domain} "ca". (1995-04-06); gcide: Canada \Ca*[~n]a"da\, n. [Sp.] 1. A small ca[~n]on; a narrow valley or glen; also, but less frequently, an open valley. [Local, Western U. S.] [1913 Webster] 2. A dry riverbed. [PJC]; wn: Canada n : a nation in northern North (3 more messages)
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15:51 <Vanhayes> #dict tron
15:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: jargon, gcide, vera, and foldoc responded: vera: TRON The Realtime Operating system Nucleus; gcide: Tron \Tron\, n. See 3d {Trone}, 2. [Obs. or Scot.] [1913 Webster]; foldoc: tron <jargon> ({NRL}, {CMU}, probably from the film "Tron") To become inaccessible except via {electronic mail} or {talk} especially when one is normally available via telephone or in person. Compare (3 more messages)
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15:58 <Vanhayes> #Utilities
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16:01 <Vanhayes> #freshmeat
16:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
16:04 <Vanhayes> #seen
16:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
16:05 <wrtlprnft> #u
16:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I haven't seen spidey, I'll let you do the telling.
16:05 <Vanhayes> #services
16:06 <Vanhayes> #eightball Am I vanhayes?
16:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: You know the answer better than I.
16:07 <wrtlprnft> #eightballs Am I wrtlprnft?
16:07 <armabot> I know the answer better than you, but I won't tell you :P
16:07 <Vanhayes> heh
16:08 <Vanhayes> #eightball Am I wrtlprnft?
16:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: One would be wise to think so.
16:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:09 <wrtlprnft> #eightballs Am I Vanhayes?
16:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I know the answer better than you, but I won't tell you :P
16:09 <Vanhayes> #eightball Does armabot like me better than wrtl?
16:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Maybe...
16:10 <Vanhayes> #eightball Does armabot like me better than wrtl?
16:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
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16:12 <Badconnection> #eightball Does my connection suck?
16:12 <armabot> Badconnection: The answer is certainly yes.
16:12 <Badconnection> heh
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4421
17:58 <wrtlprnft> can anyone make sense of this?
18:10 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if I'd prefer Z-Kraut or gauda cheese :P
18:30 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luci* can you get armabot to ignore McSpiddles for a day or two? He's annoying me with #tell
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:30 <McSpiddles> lmao
18:31 <wrtlprnft> way more effective than your spam
18:31 <McSpiddles> #later tell Luci* i love you!
18:31 <armabot> McSpiddles: The operation succeeded.
18:32 <McSpiddles> #notes
18:32 <armabot> McSpiddles: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luci*, Luke-Jr, phil, phil*, and z-man*.
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18:58 <Vanhayes> #list
18:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
19:02 <MaZuffeR> McSpiddles: someone joined zombies again, come kick him
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19:04 <MaZuffeR> nvm
19:06 <Nazurath> #list
19:06 <armabot> Nazurath: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
19:07 <Nazurath> #cyborgName
19:07 <Nazurath> #q random
19:07 <armabot> Nazurath: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
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19:19 <Nazurath> #dict Garisimo
19:19 <armabot> Nazurath: No definition for "Garisimo" could be found.
19:20 <Nazurath> #dict wrtlprnft
19:20 <armabot> Nazurath: No definition for "wrtlprnft" could be found.
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19:20 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
19:21 <Vanhayes> #dict game
19:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Game \Game\, a. [Cf. W. cam crooked, and E. gambol, n.] Crooked; lame; as, a game leg. [Colloq.] [1913 Webster]; bouvier: GAME. Birds and beasts of a wild-nature, obtained by fowling and hunting. Bac. Ab. h. t.; Animals; Ferae natural; gcide: Game \Game\ (g[=a]m), v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Gamed} (g[=a]md); p. pr. & vb. n. (30 more messages)
19:23 <Vanhayes> #dict molson
19:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "molson" could be found.
19:23 <Vanhayes> #dict alpine
19:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gaz-place, gazetteer, gcide, and gaz-county responded: wn: alpine adj 1: relating to or characteristic of alps; "alpine sports" 2: relating to the Alps and their inhabitants; "Alpine countries, Switzerland, Italy, France, and Germany" 3: living or growing above the timber line; "alpine flowers"; gcide: highland \highland\ adj. of, located in, or characteristic of high or (12 more messages)
19:24 <Vanhayes> #dict Brunswick
19:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gaz-place, gazetteer, and gaz-county responded: wn: Brunswick n 1: a university town in southwestern Maine 2: a town in southeast Georgia near the Atlantic coast; a port of entry 3: a city in central Germany [syn: {Braunschweig}]; gaz-county: Brunswick -- U.S. County in Virginia Population (2000): 18419 Housing Units (2000): 7541 Land area (2000): 566.140014 sq. miles (14 more messages)
19:25 <Vanhayes> #dict New Brunswick
19:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gaz-place, and gazetteer responded: wn: New Brunswick n 1: a university town in central New Jersey 2: a province in southeastern Canada; gazetteer: New Brunswick, NJ (city, FIPS 51210) Location: 40.48640 N, 74.44513 W Population (1990): 41711 (13556 housing units) Area: 13.5 sq km (land), 1.4 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 08901; gaz-place: New Brunswick, NJ -- U.S. city in (2 more messages)
19:26 <Vanhayes> #dict armagetron
19:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "armagetron" could be found.
19:30 <Vanhayes> #dict Lung
19:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: lung n : either of two saclike respiratory organs in the chest of vertebrates; serves to remove carbon dioxide and provide oxygen to the blood; moby-thes: 48 Moby Thesaurus words for "lung": abdomen, anus, appendix, bellows, blind gut, bowels, brain, cecum, colon, ctenidia, duodenum, endocardium, entrails, foregut, giblets, gills, gizzard, (5 more messages)
19:30 <Vanhayes> #dict dict
19:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: (dict dict [<dictionary>] <word>) -- Looks up the definition of <word> on dict.org's dictd server.
19:30 <Vanhayes> #dict dictionary
19:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: dictionary n : a reference book containing an alphabetical list of words with information about them [syn: {lexicon}]; devils: DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work; moby-thes: 37 Moby Thesaurus words (4 more messages)
19:35 <Vanhayes> #a
19:35 <Vanhayes> #q
19:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 09:44 AM, March 29, 2006)
19:36 <Vanhayes> #q random
19:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
19:36 <Vanhayes> #q random
19:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
19:36 <Vanhayes> #q random
19:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
19:37 <Vanhayes> #q random
19:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
19:38 <Vanhayes> #q random
19:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
19:38 <Vanhayes> #joke
19:38 <Vanhayes> guess not
19:40 <wrtlprnft> #alias add joke pun
19:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:40 <wrtlprnft> #joke
19:40 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
19:40 <Vanhayes> #joke
19:40 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
19:42 <wrtlprnft> that what you wanted?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> #list alias
19:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: #, (, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, (1 more message)
19:43 <wrtlprnft> #more
19:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
19:44 <wrtlprnft> #clash Vanhayes
19:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft hits Vanhayes for 26 damage! Vanhayes hits back with 18 damage!
19:44 <wrtlprnft> yay, i win!
19:44 <Vanhayes> #clash wrtlprnft
19:44 <armabot> Vanhayes hits wrtlprnft for 17 damage! wrtlprnft hits back with 6 damage!
19:44 <wrtlprnft> aww
19:45 <Vanhayes> #barf
19:45 <armabot> /me throws up all over
19:45 <Vanhayes> #fortune
19:45 <armabot> Random Fortune: Unseen University had never admitted women, muttering something about || problems with the plumbing, but the real reason was an unspoken dread that || if women were allowed to mess around with magic they would probably be || embarrassingly good at it ... || -- Terry Pratchett, "The Light Fantastic"
19:46 <Vanhayes> #morning
19:46 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes! Random Fortune: Real software engineers work from 9 to 5, because that is the way the job is || described in the formal spec. Working late would feel like using an || undocumented external procedure.
19:46 <wrtlprnft> O_o
19:47 <Vanhayes> #fe
19:47 <armabot> Fortress ...err... Something
19:47 <Vanhayes> lol
19:47 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi [fe]
19:47 <armabot> hi Fortress ...err... Something
19:47 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi [fe]Radian
19:47 <armabot> hi Fortress ...err... Something Radian
19:48 <Vanhayes> #pung
19:48 <armabot> pang
19:48 <Vanhayes> #pung
19:48 <armabot> pang
19:48 <wrtlprnft> #pang
19:48 <armabot> peng
19:48 <wrtlprnft> #peng
19:48 <armabot> ping
19:48 <Vanhayes> #pong
19:48 <armabot> pung
19:48 <Vanhayes> #man
19:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
19:48 <wrtlprnft> #man ls
19:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ls, dir, vdir - list directory contents
19:49 <Vanhayes> #list alias
19:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, (, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, (1 more message)
19:49 <wrtlprnft> #log
19:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> #alias log
19:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> #help alias log
19:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
19:50 <wrtlprnft> #m Luci* try #help alias log, it throws an error and tells me to contact the adminsistrator
19:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:51 <Vanhayes> #answer
19:51 <armabot> Lol that's funny :D
19:52 <wrtlprnft> err
19:52 <wrtlprnft> i don't get that command
19:52 <wrtlprnft> it should say 42
19:52 <wrtlprnft> #alias add answer 42
19:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:52 <wrtlprnft> #answer
19:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
19:54 <Vanhayes> #hose
19:54 <armabot> armabot hoses everyone down.
19:56 <Vanhayes> #all
19:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: [2l4]FLAG_afk, [NP]Tangent, [Xpert]DarkStar, armabot, deja_vu, GodTodd, guru3, Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr, MaZuffeR, McSpiddles, mkzelda, spidey_, SuPeRTaRD, Vanhayes, wejp, and wrtlprnft
19:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:56 <wrtlprnft> now you're in trouble
19:57 <[NP]Tangent> whaaa
19:57 <[NP]Tangent> you made xchat go HEY LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME YOU IDIOT, RIGHT HERE, I'M RIGHT HERE, LOOK AT ME
19:57 <McSpiddles> lol!!!!
19:57 <Vanhayes> heh
19:58 * wrtlprnft thinks armabot is dangerouns
19:58 <wrtlprnft> *dangerous
19:59 <Vanhayes> #insight
19:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: The inescapable madness of media junk food will enslave our grandchildren's business models.
19:59 <wrtlprnft> it seems to like buisness models
20:00 <Vanhayes> #insight
20:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: The chilling prospects of modern life will sabotage modern genetic diversity.
20:01 <wrtlprnft> #lipsum
20:01 <armabot> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nulla dapibus, arcu sed molestie egestas, lectus massa porta metus, eget placerat metus leo ac risus. Mauris tortor elit, ullamcorper a, fermentum ut, hendrerit non, nunc. Vestibulum enim leo, accumsan in, commodo sit amet, consequat sed, massa. Proin venenatis facilisis quam. Suspendisse varius fermentum metus. Curabitur ac elit (1 more message)
20:01 <wrtlprnft> #more
20:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: vel nisl varius gravida
20:03 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, (, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:03 <wrtlprnft> ##
20:03 <Vanhayes> #pun
20:03 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
20:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: The absent ones are always at fault. ||
20:03 <wrtlprnft> #(
20:03 <armabot> test
20:03 <wrtlprnft> #alias remove (
20:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:03 <wrtlprnft> #lotto
20:03 <armabot> The lotto numbers are 15, 20, 10, 6, 17, and 36
20:05 <wrtlprnft> #mashuffle z-kraut sense gauda
20:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I found a broken link in the Markov chain. Maybe I received two bad links to start the chain.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:05 <wrtlprnft> useless
20:07 <Vanhayes> #eliza
20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
20:08 <Vanhayes> #eliza ?
20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
20:08 <McSpiddles> #eliza does vanhayes like men?
20:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: What do you think?
20:08 <McSpiddles> #eliza i think he does but i was asking you
20:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: Is it because you were asking me that you came to me?
20:09 <McSpiddles> #eliza indeed,but you didn't answer me.Does Vanhayes like men?
20:09 <armabot> McSpiddles: What do you think?
20:09 <Vanhayes> #eliza Is McSpiddles hitting on me?
20:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
20:09 <McSpiddles> #eliza if i didn't want a second opinion i wouldn't have asked you,so what do YOU think?
20:09 <armabot> McSpiddles: Why do you say't might want to have this second opinion you wouldn 't?
20:10 <Vanhayes> ...
20:10 <McSpiddles> hmm
20:10 <McSpiddles> that confused me
20:10 <Vanhayes> #eliza Does what you just said make any sense?
20:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
20:10 <Vanhayes> bah
20:10 <McSpiddles> lmao
20:11 <Vanhayes> #eliza Are you a bitch?
20:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
20:11 <McSpiddles> #eliza why do you say "What do you think?" all the time?
20:11 <armabot> McSpiddles: Is it because do i say what that you came to me?
20:11 <Vanhayes> lol
20:11 <McSpiddles> #eliza i think you need to goto a retard home :)
20:11 <armabot> McSpiddles: Why do you say me might want to goto this retard home?
20:11 <McSpiddles> hahahahahahahaha
20:12 <Vanhayes> #eliza Do you say anything that makes sense?
20:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
20:12 <McSpiddles> lmao
20:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza I hate you
20:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you hate me?
20:13 <McSpiddles> #eliza why don't you say something else besides what do you think
20:13 <armabot> McSpiddles: Can you elaborate on that?
20:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza you avoid my questions
20:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say me avoid your questions?
20:13 <McSpiddles> #eliza NO NO NO NO NO NOT TILL YOU MAKE SENSE
20:13 <Vanhayes> bah
20:13 <armabot> McSpiddles: Why do you say that?
20:13 <McSpiddles> :/
20:13 <McSpiddles> perfect way to keep retards entertained
20:13 <McSpiddles> xD
20:14 <Vanhayes> well i am entertained
20:14 <McSpiddles> lol
20:14 <deja_vu> o.o
20:14 <McSpiddles> #eliza would you like to see Vanhayes naked?
20:14 <armabot> McSpiddles: What do you think?
20:14 <deja_vu> hi
20:14 <McSpiddles> #eliza i think you would
20:14 <armabot> McSpiddles: Why do you say you think i would?
20:14 <McSpiddles> #eliza because you're gay like that,why else?
20:14 <armabot> McSpiddles: What do you think?
20:14 <McSpiddles> :/
20:15 <McSpiddles> hey deja
20:15 * deja_vu chooses a nice point on the channel roof to hang armabot from >:D
20:15 <Vanhayes> #eliza what do you think?
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
20:15 <Vanhayes> lol
20:15 <deja_vu> muha
20:15 <Vanhayes> #eliza No i asked what do you think first
20:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say no you asked what do i think first?
20:16 <Vanhayes> #eliza shut up
20:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say shut up?
20:16 <deja_vu> this is why i prefer megaHAL ;)
20:18 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:18 <McSpiddles> #more
20:18 <armabot> McSpiddles: destroyed...oops! || House rejects Net neutrality rules || The Most Incredible Street Painting Ever! || "TRANSFORMERS" Teaser Poster || List of Censored Searches on Google.cn || $100 Laptop User Interface - sneak peak || Astronomers discover Universe's 'smoking gun' || Mac Mini?s brain replaced with a Core 2 Duo || The Top 5 Ways to Prevent IP Spoofing || Secret Cache (4 more messages)
20:18 <McSpiddles> ?
20:19 <Vanhayes> #more
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:19 <Vanhayes> #texas
20:19 <armabot> 1
20:19 <Vanhayes> ...
20:19 <McSpiddles> #texas
20:19 <armabot> 1
20:19 <McSpiddles> #help texas
20:19 <armabot> McSpiddles: (texas <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo 1".
20:19 <Vanhayes> #roulete
20:19 <armabot> *click*
20:19 <Vanhayes> #canada
20:19 <armabot> 4
20:19 <Vanhayes> #roulete
20:19 <armabot> *click*
20:19 <McSpiddles> #spam
20:19 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
20:19 <Vanhayes> I don't understand
20:20 <McSpiddles> ?
20:20 <McSpiddles> #help spam
20:20 <armabot> McSpiddles: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [later tell $randomnick enjoy the spam]".
20:20 <McSpiddles> LOL
20:20 <Vanhayes> #roulete#spam
20:20 <Vanhayes> oops
20:20 <Vanhayes> #spam
20:20 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
20:20 <McSpiddles> #wakespam
20:20 <armabot> McSpiddles: [2l4]FLAG_afk, [NP]Tangent, [Xpert]DarkStar, armabot, deja_vu, GodTodd, guru3, Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr, MaZuffeR, McSpiddles, mkzelda, spidey_, SuPeRTaRD, Vanhayes, wejp, and wrtlprnft
20:20 <Vanhayes> nice
20:20 <McSpiddles> heh
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add McSpiddles
20:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
20:21 <McSpiddles> lol
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add McSpiddles
20:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:21 <McSpiddles> #echo hi
20:21 -!- McSpiddles is now known as spidey
20:21 <spidey> #echo hi
20:21 <armabot> hi
20:21 <spidey> :p
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add n=spider@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'n=spider@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add spider@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'spider@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
20:22 <spidey> :p
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
20:22 <Vanhayes> #rouletebot
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add 24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: '24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
20:22 <spidey> lmao
20:22 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
20:23 <deja_vu> gl ;)
20:23 <spidey> #Admin ignore add *!*@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
20:23 <spidey> #Admin ignore add *!*@24-176-114-20.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
20:23 <Vanhayes> I dont understand
20:23 <armabot> spidey: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:23 <spidey> #ignoreme
20:23 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
20:23 <spidey> happy now :p
20:23 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:23 <Vanhayes> #more
20:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:24 <spidey> even though,you know when i get home my ip's gonna change again :p
20:25 <spidey> and my ip changes alot at home cause i get banned from alot of places and have to mac clone,heh
20:25 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:25 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:25 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:26 * Vanhayes finally understands
20:26 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:26 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: No. *click*
20:26 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:26 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:26 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:26 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:26 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: The outlook is good. *click*
20:26 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
20:26 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:26 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: NO! *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:27 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: The outlook is poor. *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:27 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:27 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:27 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: Come again? *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:27 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: The answer is certainly yes. *click*
20:27 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:27 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:27 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:27 <Vanhayes> hmm
20:28 <spidey> #hose Vanhayes
20:28 <deja_vu> #help roulettebot
20:28 <armabot> deja_vu: (roulettebot <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who forces $botnick to play roulette against its will... so $botnick you think you'll survive? $botnick: [eightball] [roulette]".
20:28 <Vanhayes> #roulette
20:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
20:28 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:28 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: The outlook is good. *click*
20:28 <Vanhayes> no real bullets?
20:28 <spidey> lol
20:29 <spidey> when the bot's op'd it kicks
20:29 <deja_vu> that would be dangerous ;)
20:29 <Vanhayes> #roulettebot
20:29 <armabot> Vanhayes forces armabot to play roulette against its will... so armabot you think you'll survive? armabot: About as likely as pigs flying. *click*
20:30 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:30 <Vanhayes> #more
20:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:30 <Vanhayes> #specialroulette
20:30 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
20:33 <spidey> lol
20:33 <Vanhayes> bah
20:33 <spidey> pwnt
20:33 <spidey> #hose Vanhayes
20:33 <armabot> armabot hoses everyone down.
20:34 <Vanhayes> what is yoda?
20:34 <spidey> #yoda
20:34 <armabot> (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
20:34 <spidey> #yoda hi yo
20:34 <armabot> yo hi
20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> #yoda what is yoda?
20:34 <armabot> yoda? is what
20:34 <Vanhayes> o i see
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> #joda Vanhayes likes to sleep with horses.
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> #yoda Vanhayes likes to sleep with horses.
20:35 <armabot> likes Vanhayes sleep to with horses.
20:35 <spidey> eh
20:35 <spidey> that makes about as much sense as eliza
20:35 <spidey> lol
20:35 <Vanhayes> I hate that thing
20:35 <Vanhayes> makes me look like a fool
20:35 <spidey> hahaha
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> it makes less sense. It would be better if it could separate on subject/predicate, or whatever :)
20:36 <spidey> it shouldn't be hard
20:36 <spidey> i mean,open a plugin look at it
20:36 <spidey> it has the ability to choose random nouns/verbs
20:37 <Vanhayes> #test
20:37 <spidey> #help test
20:37 <armabot> spidey: (test <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.".
20:37 <spidey> #test
20:37 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
20:37 <Vanhayes> that is weird
20:37 <spidey> lol
20:40 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
20:40 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
20:40 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
20:40 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
20:40 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
20:40 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
20:40 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
20:40 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
20:42 <Vanhayes> #superdice
20:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: (superdice <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Results: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/dice.php?d=$1&s=$2]".
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfdestruct "echo Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. [alias remove selfdestruct]"
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> try #selfdestruct
20:42 <Vanhayes> #selfdestruct
20:42 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. The operation succeeded.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #selfdestruct
20:42 <wrtlprnft> not there anymore :P
20:43 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfdestruct "echo Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. [alias remove selfdestruct]"
20:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:43 <Vanhayes> #selfdestruct
20:43 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. The operation succeeded.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> heh
20:43 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfdestruct "echo Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. [alias remove selfdestruct]"
20:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> leave it!
20:43 <Vanhayes> #teamlist
20:43 <armabot> Lucifer (Lucifer_arma), dookatee (mkzelda), anjori, Manta (manta), Tank Program (guru3), hank, Your_mom (Your_mom_arma), CraYSuPeRcOm, hang3r
20:44 <wrtlprnft> almost as bad as #wakespam :P
20:44 <Vanhayes> oops
20:45 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:45 <Vanhayes> #more
20:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:45 <wrtlprnft> #texas
20:45 <armabot> 1
20:45 <Vanhayes> #surprise
20:45 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
20:45 <Vanhayes> argh
20:45 <wrtlprnft> HAHAHA
20:45 <Vanhayes> 2nd time now
20:46 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
20:46 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
20:47 <spidey> #repeat
20:48 * Lucifer_arma is back.
20:49 * spidey is going to fortress
20:49 * wrtlprnft noticed that
20:49 * wrtlprnft is following
20:49 <wrtlprnft> incoming me!
20:49 * Vanhayes is in sumo
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20:51 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034182008.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:52 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
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20:54 <Vanhayes> #surprise
20:54 <Vanhayes> #surprise
20:55 <Your_mom_arma> ?
20:56 <Vanhayes> what is that supposed to do?
20:56 <Your_mom_arma> #help
20:56 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:57 <Your_mom_arma> #help suprise
20:57 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no command "suprise".
20:57 <Your_mom_arma> #help surprise
20:57 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (surprise <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "ignoreme $*".
20:59 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
20:59 <Vanhayes> #more
20:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:59 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
20:59 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> <Rockman_20xx> Life goal: Have three kids, name them CTRL, ALT, and DEL. If they piss me off, hit em twice.
21:01 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/09/music-thing-the-tritare/
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21:04 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 55?F / 13?C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers or drizzle. Showers beginning overnight. Amount 2 to 4 mm. Fog patches. Wind south 30 km/h. Low 12.; Saturday - Periods of rain. Risk of thundershowers in the morning. (1 more message)
21:04 <Vanhayes> #more
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Amount 10 mm. Fog patches. Wind southeast 30 km/h gusting to 50 diminishing to 20 in the afternoon. High 15. Saturday night..showers. Amount 5 mm. Fog patches. Wind east 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 11.; Friday - Showers. High 15.;
21:06 <Vanhayes> #parrot
21:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
21:07 <Vanhayes> #parrot hello
21:07 <armabot> hello
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> <Frankstar> I am so fucking pissed. This one guy sold me his air guitar on ebay for 70 dollars and I still havent fucking received shit.
21:08 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
21:20 <Vanhayes> #joke
21:20 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
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21:23 <Vanhayes> #insight
21:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: The ubiquitous decay of human literacy will dehumanize the entrenchment of our medical insights.
21:23 <Vanhayes> #eliza why does nothing you say make any sense?
21:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:26 <Vanhayes> #eliza why is yoor name eliza?
21:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:27 <Vanhayes> Is that all you can say?
21:27 <Vanhayes> er
21:27 <Vanhayes> #eliza is that all you can say
21:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because all i can say that you came to me?
21:27 <Vanhayes> bah
21:28 <Vanhayes> #eliza are you trying to make a fool out of me?
21:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
21:28 <Your_mom_arma> #elize where is vanhayes light cycle?
21:28 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza where is vanhayes light cycle?
21:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: What do you think?
21:28 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza is it on the moon?
21:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: What do you think?
21:28 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza i dont know
21:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Why do you say you do not know?
21:28 <Vanhayes> #eliza stop answering questions with questions
21:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: My secretary will send you a bill.
21:29 <Vanhayes> bah
21:29 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza no reason
21:29 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Why do you say no reason?
21:29 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza so whats new?
21:29 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: What do you think?
21:29 <Your_mom_arma> #eliza what do you think?
21:29 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: What do you think?
21:29 <Your_mom_arma> heh
21:30 <Vanhayes> #eliza do you have an answer to everything?
21:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:30 <Vanhayes> #eliza that you only have one answer that you use repeatedly
21:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because me only have one answer that i use that you came to me?
21:31 <Vanhayes> #eliza and the rest is just scrambled up garbage
21:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say and the rest is just scrambled up garbage?
21:31 <Vanhayes> #eliza hello
21:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
21:33 <Vanhayes> #eliza I hate you why do you confuse me some much?
21:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Some what?
21:33 <Vanhayes> bah
21:33 <Vanhayes> #eliza dont correct me!
21:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say do not correct you?
21:35 <Vanhayes> #eliza where are you?
21:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:35 <Vanhayes> #inside a computer?
21:35 <Vanhayes> #eliza inside a computer?
21:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:39 <Vanhayes> #eliza how many fingers am i holding up?
21:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:40 <Vanhayes> #eliza I don't have to think I know how many fingers I am holding up
21:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:40 <Vanhayes> #eliza they are my fingers, thus if I hold any of them up I will know it
21:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
21:41 <Vanhayes> #eliza because you asked
21:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Does it bother you that i ask you that?
21:42 <Vanhayes> #eliza Does it bother you that you had to ask me that?
21:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because i had to ask that you came to me?
21:42 <Vanhayes> Can you not answer a question?
21:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza Can you not answer a question without using another questiion?
21:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
21:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza Why not?
21:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:44 <Vanhayes> #eliza what do I think about what?
21:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:45 <Vanhayes> #eliza what do you think?
21:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:45 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-245-210-109.delv.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
21:46 <Vanhayes> #eliza just shut up
21:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say just shut up?
21:47 <Vanhayes> #eliza because you talk to much
21:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because i talk to much that you came to me?
21:47 <Vanhayes> #eliza no
21:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why not?
21:48 <Vanhayes> #eliza why?
21:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:49 <Vanhayes> #eliz i could but i dont want to
21:50 <Vanhayes> #elizai could but i dont want to
21:50 <Vanhayes> #eliza I could but i wont
21:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:50 <Vanhayes> #eliza bah
21:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:53 <Vanhayes> #eliza what is tron?
21:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
21:53 <Vanhayes> #eliza ?
21:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:53 <Vanhayes> #eliza !?
21:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:53 <Vanhayes> #eliza 1
21:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:53 * spidey killed zop
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> <MJak> whats that movie with the the planet full of talking apes?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> <Nitrix> Planet of the apes...?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> <Mjak> Yah the one where the space guy crash lands there whats it called
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> <Nitrix> Planet of the apes...?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> <Mjak> YES BUT WHATS THE FUCKING NAME OF THE MOVIE
21:55 <wrtlprnft> talking apes? That was the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, but just one of the books
21:55 <wrtlprnft> life, the universe and everything i *think*
21:55 <wrtlprnft> might have been the restaurant tho :P
21:55 <wrtlprnft> *at the end of the universe
21:56 <GodTodd> actually....talking apes were involved in more than one....arthur dent is human ;)
21:57 <wrtlprnft> no, i was referring to the part where they find out the question
21:58 <GodTodd> didn't know they ever found out the question....unless it was in mostly harmless
21:58 <wrtlprnft> they did, sorta
21:58 <wrtlprnft> remember when arthur and ford got stranded on the earth in the past
21:58 <wrtlprnft> they got out using a sofa or something IIRC
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, they found out the answer and the question can't be known in the same universe
21:59 <GodTodd> yeah....a chesterfield
21:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the "sorta" :P
21:59 * GodTodd nods at Luci.
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> they determined that in the 4th book, with the whole implication that the answer and the question go together in a wild and passionate love affair
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> they did find out a warped version of the question in the second book, "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?"
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22:03 <Vanhayes> #math 6*4
22:04 <Vanhayes> guess not
22:04 <Vanhayes> #list alias
22:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
22:04 <wrtlprnft> you need #g or #math calc
22:04 <Vanhayes> #more
22:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #math 6*4
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 6*4
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 24
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 6*4
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 6 * 4 = 24
22:04 <Vanhayes> hmm why did I go 6 84?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:04 <Vanhayes> er 6*4
22:05 <wrtlprnft> dunno
22:05 <Vanhayes> was looking at 6*9 but for some reason did 6*4
22:05 <Vanhayes> #roulette
22:05 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
22:05 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
22:06 <Vanhayes> #spam
22:06 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:07 <Vanhayes> #postal
22:07 <armabot> Vanhayes forced deja_vu_ to play roulette: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
22:07 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
22:07 <Vanhayes> er..
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #help spam
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [later tell $randomnick enjoy the spam]".
22:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, a*, Luke-Jr, phil, phil*, and z-man*.
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #notes Luke-Jr
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, and 29 minutes ago: <z-man> Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011 and Sent 3 days, 4 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> blah
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #notes $randomnick
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 hour and 49 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 1 hour and 48 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, and Sent 2 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam
22:09 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma will be happy
22:13 <spidey> ???
22:14 <Vanhayes> #morning
22:14 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes! Random Fortune: Real software engineers don't debug programs, they verify correctness. || This process doesn't necessarily involve execution of anything on a || computer, except perhaps a Correctness Verification Aid package.
22:14 <spidey> #afternoon
22:14 <Vanhayes> #night
22:14 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
22:14 <spidey> #list alias
22:14 <armabot> spidey: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, (1 more message)
22:14 <spidey> #joke
22:14 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
22:15 <spidey> lol
22:15 <Vanhayes> ##pun
22:15 <Vanhayes> #pun
22:15 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
22:15 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
22:15 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
22:15 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
22:15 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
22:15 <spidey> ok i won't
22:15 <spidey> #pushbluebutton
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22:16 * spidey is stuck here for 2 more days
22:16 <Vanhayes> #pushredbutton
22:16 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
22:16 <Vanhayes> #barf
22:16 <armabot> /me throws up all over
22:16 <Vanhayes> #barf on spidey
22:16 <armabot> /me throws up all over on spidey
22:16 <Vanhayes> #barf spidey
22:16 <armabot> /me throws up all over spidey
22:17 <Vanhayes> #clash spidey
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes hits spidey for 13 damage! spidey hits back with 17 damage!
23:18 <spidey> #tennisballs Vanhayes
23:18 <spidey> hmm
23:18 <Vanhayes> #clash spidey
23:18 <armabot> Vanhayes hits spidey for 11 damage! spidey hits back with 24 damage!
23:18 <Vanhayes> damnit
23:18 <Vanhayes> #clash spidey
23:18 <armabot> Vanhayes hits spidey for 20 damage! spidey hits back with 20 damage!
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23:19 <wrtlprnft> http://www.ludd.luth.se/~mdr/soft/nanitron/ <-- did anyone ever play this (except z-man)?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> It's kinda fun, although weird (and it needs some hacking to make it compile)
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23:29 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:29 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:25 <spidey> i'm not sure if this is a bug or what
00:25 <spidey> on swampland i'll appear ahead of someone
00:25 <spidey> then when i turn to cut them off
00:25 <spidey> shit speeds up real fast and i die
00:26 <[NP]Tangent> is it lag, spidey?
00:28 <spidey> seems like it
00:28 <spidey> but
00:28 <spidey> weird lag
00:28 <spidey> i've never had anything like this happen before
00:29 <spidey> and it doesn't do it on other servers
00:29 <spidey> it's like a delay,then when i get close to someone it tries to catch up,in realtime
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> swampland has some unique lag
00:38 <spidey> really
00:39 <spidey> is it a setting,or just something wrong with there server?
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00:52 <spidey> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
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01:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha, under my new name, as soon as I went into CT fortress someone started a poll to kick
01:16 * Lucifer_arma is considering going into MBC with a name like "FUCKALLCLANS"
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01:31 <spidey> you'll get kicked then banned
01:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you in a server now?
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> american fortress
01:31 <spidey> k
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> use an unknown name
01:33 <spidey> 'er
01:33 <spidey> lemme rejoin
01:35 <spidey> i'm guessing you're player?
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01:41 <guru3> 31 threads with new posts to read :(
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I was Player Juan :)
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <spidey> i'm suprised i didn't get kicked
01:55 <spidey> i was speaking portuguese and not grinding
01:55 <spidey> even did a tk :/
01:57 <spidey> guru3, set them on fire!
01:57 <guru3> totally random and unrelated there
01:57 <guru3> way to go.
01:57 <spidey> :D
01:58 <spidey> <guru3> 31 threads with new posts to read :(
01:58 <spidey> hence "set them on fire!"
01:58 <guru3> way to go.
01:58 * spidey trips guru3
01:59 <spidey> i think 9/10ths of the people on my yahoo buddylist ignored me
01:59 <guru3> way to go.
01:59 <spidey> i have 54 people and only 7-10 are always on
01:59 <spidey> :/
02:00 * spidey throws a candy wrapper at guru3
02:04 * Lucifer_arma wonders why
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> that was about the buddylist, not the candy wrapper
02:05 <spidey> lol
02:05 <spidey> who knows
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I may never use my regular name again, just keep changing it
02:05 <spidey> maybe they don't like my mass's
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> also, I ignored the poll, so they probably couldn't get enough votes from our team to kick it :)
02:05 <spidey> hehe
02:06 <guru3> you know
02:06 <guru3> it's almost like i ignore half the stuff on the forums
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I do :)
02:06 <spidey> even if they did i'd been back in 2 minutes
02:06 <spidey> :p
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I click through a lot of posts that I'm not interested in just so they'll be marked "read"
02:06 * spidey loves the mac clone deature
02:06 * Lucifer_arma loves deatures
02:06 <spidey> LOL
02:06 <spidey> feature*
02:07 <guru3> aw shit
02:07 <guru3> 5 pages of cycle width
02:07 <spidey> lol
02:07 <guru3> speed read
02:07 <guru3> 4 pages
02:07 <spidey> 3
02:07 <spidey> 2
02:07 <spidey> 10!
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02:08 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [not in the mood]
02:08 <@guru3> just can't get ppl to shutup sometimes
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02:08 <spidey> lol,i still love you :p
02:08 * guru3 whistles anonymously
02:09 * Lucifer_arma looks at his nickname list and sees the devil icon
02:09 <spidey> --- You have been kicked from #armagetron by guru3 (not in the mood)
02:09 <spidey> :p
02:12 <spidey> o lucifer gosta de homens!
02:12 <@guru3> i wonder what would happen if you attached a 0.2.8.2 client to a 0.1.4.9 server
02:12 <spidey> hmm,i might actually learn portuguese
02:13 * spidey has ran all the server versions atleast once
02:13 <spidey> i liked the ones before 2.7.1
02:13 <spidey> get to play with all the bugs :D
02:16 <Luke-Jr> you know, the bugs are still options
02:17 <spidey> they are?
02:17 <Luke-Jr> yes
02:27 <@guru3> might be time for tigers network to fade off into the sunset for good this time
02:30 <spidey> who hosts those servers?
02:30 <Luke-Jr> him
02:31 <spidey> ah
02:31 <spidey> i used to play there alot with joana :/
02:45 <spidey> k,cigarette,sleep,then bed
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03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so what is a grid unit, anyway? I've been assuming it's a meter...
03:37 <z-man> Yeah, it is a meter.
03:41 <Luke-Jr> I thought it was a grid unit
03:41 <Luke-Jr> ;)
03:41 <Luke-Jr> something we could arbitrarily change
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't like the name grid unit. :) I'd just as soon say "meter" or make something up :)
04:26 <Luke-Jr> "x units"
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> cubits? :)
04:27 <Luke-Jr> sure =p
04:28 <Luke-Jr> gubits ;)
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> lirps
04:41 <Luke-Jr> syrups
04:42 <Luke-Jr> 'night
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> what should I be using for openGL with a cross-compiler?
05:05 <z-man> Dunno. I can't remember what I used when I cross-compiled the old Walls.
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I found it, it's a package on sdl's website
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> now building libxml2 :)
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> hecking for xmlParseMemory in -lxml2... no
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> configure: error: You need the library xml2 to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> :( presumably configure, at this point, is building a program that links using that function and then tries to execute it?
05:27 <z-man> No, it doesn't try to run it, it's just linking
05:27 <z-man> can you check config.log? It should tell you what exactly gets done.
05:27 <z-man> Maybe libxml2 didn't get built correctly and the linking fails.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 conftest.c -lxml2 -L/usr/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm >&5
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> bad link path
05:28 <z-man> Ah, of course. We're getting the link path info from the output of libxml2-config
05:28 <z-man> And that's the regular one on your system.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> right...
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> do we have a --with-libxml2=/path option?
05:29 <z-man> Try to find out where the cross compiled lib installed the -config-script
05:29 <z-man> We have an environment variable that tells configure which config script to call
05:30 <z-man> It's XML2_CONFIG
05:30 <z-man> so do XML2_CONFIG=/usr/mingw32/bin/libxml2-config ./configure
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> alright, yay, same problem with sdl :)
05:31 <z-man> Although it's probably just easier to make a complete cross compilation environment where the path is such that the cross compiled scripts get found first.
05:32 <z-man> Same special case solution: SDL_CONFIG :)
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, wait a minute, it didn't quite work anyway, just failed when it didn't find the script and kept going to sdl
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> BUG: configure doesn't fail properly when it doesn't find xml-config or whwatever it's called
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it was xml2-config, not libxml2-config, so that works now
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> still getting the wrong sdl-config script
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't look like we have an environment variable for sdl-config, do we?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I tried SDL_CONFIG
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/sdl-config ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc
05:36 <z-man> oh, sorry, that's only used internally
05:36 <z-man> you'll need to use the PATH method
05:37 <z-man> PATH=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/:$PATH ./configure
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> checking build system type... ../../armagetronadnew/config.guess: line 1250: ./dummy-21530: cannot execute binary file
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ../../armagetronadnew/config.guess: unable to guess system type
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:40 <z-man> aww
05:40 <z-man> Was it guessing right before the path trick?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:40 <z-man> It guesed mingw-stuff?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> looks like i typoed the path trick, let me fix that first :)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config LDFLAGS=-L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that gets me to the sdl_mixer check. I'll just disable sound for now.
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> checking for glVertex3f in -lopengl32... no
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> OpenGL not found. Maybe it needs X11 to compile? Checking that...
05:42 <z-man> of course, a bad idea here :)
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> which fails, of course
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's not linking against the library, I dont' know if there is a library there to link against
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> libopengl32.a
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -lopengl32 -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib conftest.c -lopengl32 -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> -lpthread?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> it can't link against pthread, it's not there!
05:48 <z-man> Who gets the idea to link against it? sdl-config
05:48 <z-man> ?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> from sdl-config --libs
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> similar for xml2-config
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's sdl-config giving it up
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> checking whether SDL is installed... yes, 'sdl-config --libs' gave -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I got it linking and including the right sdl stuff, but it's still using sdl-config for flags
05:53 <z-man> So it's still calling the real system's sdl-config?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> we do have SDL_CONFIG in the configure.ac file, but not the environment variable stuff, so I just rippes libxml2's lines and am trying again
05:56 <z-man> I'll fix that with the SDL_CONFIG, but only in the 0.2.8 branch
05:56 <z-man> Is it a problem if you do the testing there?
05:57 <z-man> You won't have to deal with FTGL and stuff, then.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I just fixed it in the trunk
05:57 <z-man> ok
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I forgot about ftgl, heh
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> still getting stuck where I"m at, though, on opengl
05:57 * z-man makes a mental note to remember that when merging
05:57 <z-man> What's the error you get in config.log?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/libxml2 -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -Dmain=SDL_main conftest.c -lopengl32 -lwsock32 -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2 >&5
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> /tmp/ccI1hT2F.o(.text+0x6): In function `SDL_main':
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> /home/dave/Projects/armagetronad/aabuild/win32/conftest.c:32: undefined reference to `_glVertex3f'
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> something tells me that means my sdl library is broken
06:00 <z-man> No, that's not the reason here, it seems. -lopengl32 may be incomplete
06:00 <z-man> or it may be one of those "libraries need to be linked in the right order" problems
06:01 <z-man> If you suspect it may be SDL, you can try moving the GL test before the SDL test.
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> where's it getting -lopengl32? It's not in my configure line anymore
06:04 <z-man> Ah, that must come from SDL.
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, might be leftover from a previous configure attempt
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> I guess configure only caches when it completes successfully
06:09 <z-man> yes
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/games... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/games... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/games/bin... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking for /proc/self/maps... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> did --disable-glout to get past it, figured I'd push on for the server
06:10 <z-man> try --disable-binreloc
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, it finished configuring, at least
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> we'll see if it builds :)
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok, shttpd doesn't cross-compile, that's just great
06:14 * Lucifer_arma growls at himself
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it wants socklen_t, a check that fails in configure
06:16 <z-man> shttpd is a pain already in normal Windows compiles, it'll be fun not to break anything there :)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, once python scripting is there, I'll be happy to remove shttpd in favor of a python-based webserver
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need to check if we're cross-compiling, I think. Does the mingw cross-compiler define _WIN32?
06:30 <z-man> I'd think so.
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I need to define NO_SOCKLEN_T :(
06:31 <z-man> CXXFLAGS=-DNO_SOCKLEN_T?
06:32 * z-man just worked around the stupid LAN/Internet server browser problem, yay!
06:34 <@guru3> woo?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that worked, thanks. :) Only, CFLAGS, because shttpd is a c program
06:36 <z-man> guru3: yes, it's simple. If a ping answer comes in from an IP that does not belong to a known server, a new server entry is added.
06:40 <@guru3> grand
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePath.cpp:37: error: `tHeap<eHalfEdge> open' redeclared as different kind of symbol
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:280: error: previous declaration of `int open(const char*, int, ...)'
06:55 <z-man> Heh, rename it to openEdges
06:55 <z-man> there is probably another edge heap nearby, it would be nice if that got renamed as well.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> ePlayer.cpp:553:20: Lmcons.h: No such file or directory
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's in an #ifdef WIN32
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> apparently it didn't pick up the include directory for the cross-compiler
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> windows doesn't have case-sensitive filesystems....
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:561: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use this function)
07:10 * Lucifer_arma doesn't believe mingw doesn't have a typedef for DWORD, but why isn't it being picked up?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:563: error: `GetUserName' undeclared (first use this function)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> in that same win32 ifdef
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> apparently lmcons.h doesn't have it
07:23 * Lucifer_arma wonders how he's going to test this thing when it's done building
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> In file included from ../../../armagetronadnew/src/network/nSocket.h:49,
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> from ../../../armagetronadnew/src/network/nSocket.cpp:105:
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:272: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell does mingw manage to build this thing on Windows?!?
07:36 <z-man> It probably has different includes there.
07:36 <z-man> The GetUserName stuff can be a bit nasty, some Windows header has a "#define GetUserName GetUserNameA"
07:36 <z-man> that's why we #include <windwos.h> before doing anything else
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08:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I had to add the windows.h include there and then undef GetUserName after that call
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> we could pull all those platform-specific helper functions out into a safe place :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> the two conflicts in the mingw headers are annoying, though
08:13 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:13 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune: "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years || of careful development." || (By dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> z-man: grats to your 2000th log message on CIA ;)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/z-man
08:14 <z-man> wohoo!
08:15 <wrtlprnft> no clue if it even cought all your messages, probably there were some before CIA, too
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08:38 * wrtlprnft is gonna get addicted to nanitron
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> you want to give them your cockpit? ;)
08:42 <z-man> nanitron, isn't that running way too fast now?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft has a machine that was made in 1994, so no problem for him
08:51 <spidey> LOL
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, great, the conflict happens in winsock2.h as well
08:52 <spidey> pwnt
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I give up! :(
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's mingw headers having problems amongst themselves, I don't see how I can fix it without spending a whole lot of time I don't really have. I'll just have to wait until I can upgrade my cross-compiler.
08:57 * Lucifer_arma will finish updating the wiki with what he's got, which probably isn't much
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09:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no clue, but you can vary your speed
09:11 <wrtlprnft> but the speed on which you start getting points is fast, yes
09:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, and my machine is made in the end of 2003
09:17 <spidey> haha,and it has a 700mhz processor?
09:18 <wrtlprnft> nope
09:18 <wrtlprnft> 1.3GHz
09:18 <spidey> i don't remember when mine was made,but it was over 2 years ago,and it's got a 2.2ghz
09:18 <wrtlprnft> so?
09:18 <spidey> core speed really doesn't matter though :D
09:18 <spidey> just the FSB and L2 cache
09:19 <wrtlprnft> It's a notebook, at home i have a computer with some 3GHz processor
09:19 <wrtlprnft> and some kickass graphics card, IIRC 200fps on arma
09:19 * spidey can't wait to get his gfx card
09:21 <spidey> then the only thing i'll have to worry about is keeping the monitor clean,damn bug fly through the screen,LITTLE bugs
09:21 <spidey> and i smash them on the monitor
09:21 <spidey> xD
09:49 * wrtlprnft is trying to crosscompile arma now :)
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10:17 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you just made the really long configure invocations widen the page. Maybe <code> instead of <pre>? not sure how to coerce the wiki to do that...
10:17 <spidey> <center> ?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: they widen it?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> for me they just stick out of it
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
10:21 <wrtlprnft> and the first one was a <pre> anyways
10:21 <wrtlprnft> i just made it consistent and removed the double spaces
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, they just stick out of it too, but it has the effect of widening the page in my browser, sorta. Doesn't force the rest to that width...
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I tried to catch all of them in something that could actually be read in a multi-line fashion
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe just adding \ to the ends of the lines and manually breaking them is better
10:21 <wrtlprnft> can you edit the CSS?
10:22 <wrtlprnft> then do a pre { overflow:auto; }
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> not while it's on tank's server. :) Rather, it can be edited, but you have to get tank to update it.
10:24 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:24 <wrtlprnft> that darn wiki ignores my custom style="" attributes :(
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: reload the page :)
10:26 <wrtlprnft> at least with my monobook skin it works, no clue what about other skins
10:27 <wrtlprnft> (i use the default mediawiki skin, the arma skin is kinda messed up)
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> looks the same to me
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I use the arma skin, which is just a few changes to the monobook skin
10:27 <wrtlprnft> second
10:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but the tabs look messed up
10:28 <wrtlprnft> aah, and now i see why you don't like it :P
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so I've heard, but I have no browser that shows them messed up and nobody gave me a patch or anything to fix it.
10:29 <wrtlprnft> it's unreadable because of the dark bg
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> ? there's a light background behind the text you actually read....
10:29 <wrtlprnft> yes, but not the part that sticks out
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.
10:30 * Lucifer_arma notes that he tried to make them all not stick out so they could be read :)
10:30 <wrtlprnft> no problem with monobook :P
10:30 <wrtlprnft> I'll see if i can edit the armagetronad style...
10:31 <spidey> http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/fwpoink2/madebyvictim.swf
10:31 * Lucifer_arma doesn't click on flash links
10:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: reload now :)
10:35 <wrtlprnft> yay for css and sysop rights :P
10:36 * wrtlprnft might actually decide to fix the armagetronad tabs some day
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, fine, I still can't read it all at once, but whatever :)
10:41 <wrtlprnft> at least it's readable :P
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> :) I'll take that and be happy about it, ok? ;)
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> how's your cross-compile coming?
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> that kinda reminds me I wanted to setup a t2 target to build my desktop and server so I could finish what I started on my server
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> ack, so much to do. Saying that reminded me I need to edit my article and send it in.
10:46 * z-man is just following the instructions from that SDL cross-compilation page
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> which of course leads to "I want to fix my car so I can put my computer in it!"
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh. Great. I started playing and now everyone wants to do it. ;P
10:47 * z-man remembers they worked last time, OpenGL inclusive
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> I got the openGL bits I did from there, probably left it off the wiki page.
10:47 <z-man> Well, we can't let you have all the fun alone, right?
10:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: still compiling dependencies...
10:48 * Lucifer_arma really wants nightly builds of svn snapshots available for windows users
10:48 * Lucifer_arma really really badly, that is
10:48 * z-man too
10:48 <wrtlprnft> after i just compiled SDL twice accidently
10:48 <wrtlprnft> 2nd SDL instead of libxml2 :P
10:49 * wrtlprnft would like snapshots as well
10:49 * wrtlprnft would host them
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> and you know, innosoft's installer and nsis both run in wine now, so we can have the whole thing built from start to finish with it
10:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man: can you add some factor to the rubber useage by CYCLE_WIDTH?
10:49 <wrtlprnft> it's filling up too fast
10:50 <z-man> Already done :)
10:50 <wrtlprnft> oh, really? ok
10:50 <z-man> CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MIN/MAX
10:50 <wrtlprnft> didn't see it in the logs, sorry
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> 2000 messages to parse, no wonder
10:50 <wrtlprnft> can't use it anyways until it gets merged to the trunk
10:50 <z-man> MIN is used when you barely scratch a wall, MAX when you're squeezed totally
10:50 <z-man> Oh yea, merges to the trunk, that reminds me...
10:51 <z-man> Since the stuff done in 0.2.8 is a bit experimental, I'm not doing them currently.
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I didn't commit the configure.ac changes I made for cross-compiling
10:51 <wrtlprnft> libxml takes longer to compile than SDL...
10:51 <wrtlprnft> then do so :)
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, committing right now. update before you build.
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> revision 4836
10:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki-spam? what's that?
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's that thing we used to have to clean up 6-8 times a day
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure you remember it....
10:53 <wrtlprnft> remotely
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> I know it's been awhile, but it could come back....
10:53 <wrtlprnft> if they come back I'll make that bot trap more intelligent :P
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> :)
10:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:54 <wrtlprnft> ../../armagetronadnew/configure
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:54 <wrtlprnft> what a coincidence, that's the right path for me :)
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> you probably need to change that
10:54 * Lucifer_arma laughs out loud.
10:55 <wrtlprnft> i need to change a lot
10:55 <wrtlprnft> different paths everywhere, and my compiler is i386-mingw32msvc
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see this stuff turn into options to configure eventually, you know, after it actually works consistently
10:56 <wrtlprnft> you don't have to write the env variables in front of configure
10:56 <wrtlprnft> you can write them after as well
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking whether SDL is installed... yes, 'sdl-config --libs' gave -lSDL -lpthread
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking what name the SDL library is know under... SDL
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no
10:57 <wrtlprnft> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> did you put the right SDL_CONFIG variable? Maybe it has to be in front of configure?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the sdl-config that's running is the system-installed one, which the cross-compiler can't link to, hence the failure.
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> or it's failing because of the -lpthread, either way it's trying to link to system libraries it can't link to.
11:00 <wrtlprnft> i did put it in front of configure
11:01 * wrtlprnft tries installing SDL_gfx
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> you did make install with it, right? And put it in the prefix for the cross-compiler?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
11:03 <wrtlprnft> it can find it
11:03 <wrtlprnft> that's my command line:
11:03 <wrtlprnft> XML2_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config ./configure --host=i386-mingw32msvc --prefix=/home/mathias/cross/tools --disable-sound
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> you did svn update and ./bootstrap.sh ?
11:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:05 * wrtlprnft runs ./bs.sh again, to be sure
11:05 <wrtlprnft> !
11:05 <wrtlprnft> now it gets farther
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> /home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config --libs <--- what does this tell you?
11:06 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ /home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config --libs
11:06 <wrtlprnft> -L/home/mathias/cross/tools/lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows
11:06 <wrtlprnft> but it goes upto the point where yours fails now
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok
11:06 <wrtlprnft> what about installing X11 in that prefix, too?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> or would that break windows compatibility?
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> is it even possible to build X11 with mingw?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> no clue
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> no, you don't want to do it with X11. This thing builds with mingw in Windows, it's used for Code::Blocks, isn't it?
11:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue
11:08 * Lucifer_arma has to admit he's not looking forward to Luke-Jr declaring that cross-compiling is the primary build method after someone makes it work
11:08 <wrtlprnft> well, dedicated server has an error in shttpd
11:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> better check the commandline for it, you need some more parameters
11:09 <wrtlprnft> the CFLAGS?
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the -DNO_whatever is what fixes shttpd
11:10 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:12 <wrtlprnft> wow.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> this compile is even slower than normal
11:12 <wrtlprnft> but it just went through my cockit :)
11:14 <wrtlprnft> something in winsock.h conflicts :(
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11:17 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it to take opengl?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> nope
11:18 <wrtlprnft> i'm doing the server right now
11:18 <wrtlprnft> woot
11:18 <wrtlprnft> CCOPTS="-D_UWIN"
11:18 <wrtlprnft> try that
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> the answer clearly has to be the headers don't match the library
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> for the server, I take it?
11:19 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:19 <wrtlprnft> but it fails a few files later :(
11:20 <wrtlprnft> in tDirectories
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:272: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
11:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what i fixed by -D_UWIN
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> adding to CXXFLAGS to see if you just gave the wrong env var :)
11:21 <wrtlprnft> i added it to both
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> went by it this time
11:21 <wrtlprnft> assuming it was just needed in CFLAGS i just gave you that
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/objidl.h:58: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/objidl.h:58: error: expected `,' or `;' before string constant
11:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
11:22 <wrtlprnft> that i have now, too
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> typedef enum tagDATADIR {
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> DATADIR_GET=1,
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> DATADIR_SET
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> } DATADIR;
11:22 * wrtlprnft hates plainC- macro madness
11:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
11:23 <wrtlprnft> looks like it doesn't like the macro DATADIR
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> we're conflicting there with our own DATADIR define
11:23 <wrtlprnft> aaaaah
11:25 <wrtlprnft> uh, how do we fix that? just replace every occurrence of DATADIR in the sources by DATADIR_42?
11:25 * wrtlprnft waits for Lucifer_arma to commit a fix :P
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not finding a DATADIR define anywhere :(
11:26 <wrtlprnft> src/tUn*
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I think we should prefix our own defines with something like aa to avoid these sorts of collisions
11:26 <wrtlprnft> there already is a AA_DATADIR...
11:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: src/tUniversalVariables.h
11:27 <z-man> Warning, that file is autogenerated
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see that file...
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> wait, it's in the build directory?
11:27 <z-man> yes
11:27 <z-man> The definition is somewhere in configure.ac
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #praise z-man
11:28 * armabot gives z-man a cookie
11:28 <wrtlprnft> :)
11:28 <z-man> yum
11:28 * Lucifer_arma waits for z-man to commit a fix :P
11:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:28 <z-man> We should probably change the configure macro that defines the variables instead of the variables themselves
11:29 <z-man> because the AA_ prefix is added automatically. If we rename the macro, we'd get AA_aa_DATADIR :(
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> how badly would it hurt us to just #undef DATADIR ?
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> you know, right before the include that's killing us
11:29 <z-man> Not at all.
11:30 <z-man> Oh, wait, which file fails to compile?
11:30 <wrtlprnft> and then, after that, an #include "src/tUniversalVariables.h"
11:30 <wrtlprnft> :P
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> tDirectories.cpp
11:30 <z-man> Yeah, moving our include to the end may work.
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just stuck #undef DATADIR on line 108 and it's going through
11:31 <z-man> That alone may be risky, there is a #ifndef DATADIR somewhere, I think
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> nNetwork, nSocket, and shttpd all fail to link, however
11:31 <z-man> We need to link to winsock, I think.
11:32 <wrtlprnft> LDFLAGS="-lwinsock"?
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
11:32 <wrtlprnft> guess not...
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that library doesn't exist, apparently
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> -lwsock32?
11:33 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ gcc -lwinsock32 ../../asdf.c ~/cross/armagetronad
11:33 <wrtlprnft> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lwinsock32
11:37 <wrtlprnft> any ideas anyone?
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> figure out which libraries to link :)
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I added -lwsock32 so far
11:38 <@guru3> so what are you doing anyway Lucifer_arma?
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> trying to cross-compile arma for windows from linux :)
11:39 <@guru3> ah
11:39 <wrtlprnft> that @ in front of guru3 looks scary ;)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I have nightmares about it
11:39 <@guru3> bow before me
11:40 * wrtlprnft bows before guru3
11:40 <wrtlprnft> #praise guru3
11:40 * armabot gives guru3 the Medal of Not Sucking
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> the only library mentioned in the codeblocks file is wsock32
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> but there are a few extra symbols defined...
11:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: good luck, there's just 170 libraries to choose from
11:44 <wrtlprnft> in i386-mingw32msvc/lib
11:44 <wrtlprnft> 170 libraries are enough for a very big city... and all in my computer ;)
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> grep is your friend
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> grep "___WSAFDIsSet@8" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libws2_32.a matches
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libwsock32.a matches
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libxml2.a matches
11:47 <wrtlprnft> libws2_32 i guess
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be for winsock2 I"m sure
11:48 <wrtlprnft> still won't work :(
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-c++ -I. -I.. -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -D_UWIN -O2 -Wno-long-long -lwsock32 -lwinmm -o armagetronad_main.exe armagetronad_main-gFloor.o libtron.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a librender.a libtools.a -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ld wants the linker flags in a certain order, doesn't it? If it's not in the right place, it won't find the library
11:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O, dunno
11:50 <z-man> Well, you shouldn't be afraid of Luke making cross compilation the default. Be afraid of me demadning it to run trough without warnings at -Wall :)
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> we're fucked, then, because libxml2 can't do that :)
11:52 <wrtlprnft> grr
11:52 <z-man> Just our own stuff, obviously.
11:52 <wrtlprnft> and i can't even use readelf with those files :(
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, how do I convince it to link against wsock32?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> clearly it's not, I grepped the libs directory and the symbols I grepped were found there.
11:53 <z-man> /Big/usr/local/cross-tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i386-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i386-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
11:53 <z-man> /Big/usr/local/cross-tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i386-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i386-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:264: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
11:53 <z-man> Did you get that one already?
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the -D_UWIN
11:53 <z-man> grr
11:53 * Lucifer_arma smiles :)
11:53 <wrtlprnft> whatever that means
11:53 <z-man> Any idea what UWIN stands for?
11:53 <wrtlprnft> just looked at the headers
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/sdl-config CFLAGS="-I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -DNO_SOCKLEN_T" CXXFLAGS="-I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -D_UWIN" ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc --disable-sound --disable-glout --disable-binreloc <--- most recent configure
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> something to do with unicode, iirc.
11:54 <wrtlprnft> one of the definitions is in an #ifndef _UWIN
11:54 <wrtlprnft> so i defined that to get rid of the definition ;)
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11:54 <wrtlprnft> no idea what it broke
11:54 <wrtlprnft> alda eh
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> alan alda?
11:54 <alda> hi all, can i change the resolution of the game to 800x600?
11:55 <wrtlprnft> sure
11:55 <wrtlprnft> system setup->display settings
11:55 <wrtlprnft> ->screen mode
11:55 <alda> perhaps i'm runni8ng my pc @ tv and another resolutoin gives me a bad picture
11:55 <alda> Lucifer_arma: dont know ya sry
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> alan alda was an actor...
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> MASH, iirc :)
11:56 <alda> wrtlprnft: and can this be changed in a cfg file? cause i cant see anything in game now
11:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:56 <alda> Lucifer_arma: ooh^^ hehe dont know him
11:56 <wrtlprnft> var/user.cfg
11:56 <wrtlprnft> search your computer for user.cfg
11:56 <alda> wrtlprnft: great have it allready found, but dont know the line, can you help me?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> can't see anything? shouldn't it fail if it can't setup a resolution?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> grep "RESOLUTION" ?
11:57 <wrtlprnft> 46 ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_H 768
11:57 <wrtlprnft> 47 ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_W 1024
11:57 <wrtlprnft> it won't be the same line, probably
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no resolution for me, heh
11:57 <alda> Lucifer_arma: it isnt the games fault, its my tvs one, he can only show fullscreen apps correctly if they have the same resoultion as the desktop
11:58 <wrtlprnft> but search for SCREENMODE
11:58 <wrtlprnft> alda: then press f ingame
11:58 <wrtlprnft> it should throw you into windowed mode
11:58 <alda> ok thx wrtlprnft i'll proof it
11:58 <wrtlprnft> yw
11:58 <alda> :)
11:59 * Lucifer_arma suspects he needs to change configure.ac to make it link to wsock32 :(
11:59 <wrtlprnft> i love that file. everytime i open it i instantly want to throw up
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> haha
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty hairy, isn't it?
12:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:00 <wrtlprnft> does anyone remember my outcome for the density of margerine?
12:00 * wrtlprnft forgot it :(
12:01 * Lucifer_arma doesn't
12:01 <wrtlprnft> second, i have logs :)
12:01 <wrtlprnft> grep density ~/irclogs/FreeNode/\#armagetron.log
12:02 <wrtlprnft> oops
12:02 <wrtlprnft> wrong window
12:03 <wrtlprnft> ah, 28 grams
12:03 <wrtlprnft> or 3/20 of the container
12:03 <z-man> That's not a density
12:03 <wrtlprnft> no, i know
12:04 <wrtlprnft> the density was something else, wait
12:04 <wrtlprnft> 17:44 <wrtlprnft> 1,165 kg/m^3
12:04 <z-man> Sure? The last time I threw margerine into water, it floated.
12:04 <wrtlprnft> hmm
12:04 <z-man> And that was just five hours ago :)
12:05 <wrtlprnft> maybe not totally accurate :(
12:05 <wrtlprnft> i just measured the diameter and height of a margerine container and took the mass that was printed on it
12:06 <wrtlprnft> but since it isn't a perfect cylinder but more like a piece of a cone it might be wrong
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> but the container's not a perfect cyclinder, is it?
12:06 <z-man> Hmm, maybe they ripped you off :)
12:06 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't know how high the container was filled originally
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> right, you need an integral to solve that volume :)
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, I could compute it relatively straightforward like
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> since we in america use volume to measure ingredients, and I have a nice digital scale
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> measure the cup container empty, then fill it with margerine and measure it again :)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> I know, but I don't have a scale here
12:08 <wrtlprnft> at home we do have one, but in canada it doesn't seem to be an usual cooking utensil
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's unusual in my kitchen, too, but I insisted on having it
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> I use 2 lbs of potatoes to cook enough for my whole family
12:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 2lbs in kg
12:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2 pounds = 0.90718474 kilograms
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> we also buy our meat in big chunks and cut it down, better to use a scale for that then eyeballing it
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, you can't make that conversion without knowing the density of the potato
12:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> pounds = measure for mass/force, right?
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> kg is just mass
12:10 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about how ridiculous it is to measure mass and force in the same unit here*
12:10 <wrtlprnft> so?
12:11 <wrtlprnft> 2 lbs <-- i assumed you meant pounds as mass
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> so you can't convert pounds to mass without knowing, errr, nevermind
12:11 <wrtlprnft> lol
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> I guess google's converter already knows about the force being applied and takes it into account. :)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> it knows that g =
12:11 <wrtlprnft> #g g
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you can't make that conversion if we're on the moon, with google. :)
12:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:11 <wrtlprnft> #g gravitational constant
12:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravitational constant = 6.67300 × 10^(-11) m^(3) kg^(-1) s^(-2)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:12 <wrtlprnft> not G, g i want!
12:12 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth
12:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth = 9.80665 m / s^(2)
12:12 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
12:12 <@guru3> that's just gonna be an average
12:12 <wrtlprnft> it's enough for cooking i think
12:12 <@guru3> for example
12:12 <@guru3> in sweden
12:13 <@guru3> it's closer to 9.82
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> closer to sea level?
12:13 <@guru3> i'm not quite sure how that works
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's a combination of altitude and location, since the earth isn't a perfect sphere
12:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: on the moon your potatoes will still have a mass of 2lbs, but a weight of ~.33 lbs
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> pounds isn't a measurement of mass here or on the moon
12:14 <wrtlprnft> it isn't?
12:14 <@guru3> what's the diff between inertial and gravitational mass again?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> no
12:14 <wrtlprnft> what do you use for mass then?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> we don't? :)
12:14 <wrtlprnft> omg
12:14 <wrtlprnft> what's the unit of g then?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, I'd have to think about it. Scientists use SI units
12:14 <@guru3> mmm SI
12:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, right, lbs was PRESSURE and weight, right
12:15 <@guru3> i've got that stuff in my phsyics notes
12:15 <z-man> Should I hack -lws2_32 into configure? It appears it almost already is in there :)
12:15 <wrtlprnft> i think
12:15 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> here, add this and we won't fight:
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> LIBS="$LIBS -lwsock32" <-- line 401
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> libtools.a(libtools_a-tDirectories.o)(.text+0x7f):tDirectories.cpp: undefined reference to `_errno' <--- leaves me with just this
12:17 <wrtlprnft> and remove the LDOPTS from the configure call?
12:17 <z-man> That's in the standard library, IIRC
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, which should I link to?
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes, and remove LDOPTS from the configure call
12:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it runs through for me
12:18 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ls src/armagetronad_main.exe ~/cross/armagetronad
12:18 <wrtlprnft> src/armagetronad_main.exe
12:18 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:18 <z-man> not for me, I'm stuck with _errno
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> what's the commandline for the linker you ended up with?
12:18 <z-man> Then run it :)
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:19 <wrtlprnft> 12:18 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ls src/armagetronad_main.exe ~/cross/armagetronad
12:19 <wrtlprnft> 12:18 <wrtlprnft> src/armagetronad_main.exe
12:19 <wrtlprnft> oops sorry
12:19 <wrtlprnft> i386-mingw32msvc-c++ -I. -I.. -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2 -O2 -Wno-long-long -o armagetronad_main.exe armagetronad_main-gFloor.o libtron.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a librender.a libtools.a -L/home/mathias/cross/tools/lib -lxml2 -lwsock32
12:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: run it? WINE?
12:19 <z-man> If you insist.
12:20 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ wine src/armagetronad_main.exe ~/cross/armagetronad
12:20 <wrtlprnft> err:module:import_dll Library libxml2-2.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\armagetronad\\src\\armagetronad_main.exe") not found
12:20 <wrtlprnft> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\armagetronad\\src\\armagetronad_main.exe" failed, status c0000135
12:20 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a windows machine here
12:20 <z-man> Hmm, I don't know how DLLs work in WINE
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> wine doesn't know about mingw, link those dlls from the current location
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> they should be in $MINGPREFIX/bin
12:20 <wrtlprnft> i was able to run 0.2.8.0 in wine...
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> was that from a cross-compiled build directory? or did you install it from a package?
12:21 <wrtlprnft> it was in a build dir
12:22 <wrtlprnft> if i install it it won't work either...
12:22 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ wine bin/armagetronad-dedicated ~/cross/tools
12:22 <wrtlprnft> wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\tools\\bin\\armagetronad-dedicated" as Win32 binary
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> still stuck with _errno
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> figure out which library to link yet? I've got a list...
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> grep "_errno" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
12:23 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's a different version?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/dllcrt1.o matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/dllcrt2.o matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libcrtdll.a matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgmon.a matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libiberty.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingwex.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr70.a matches
12:24 <wrtlprnft> gcc version 3.4.6
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr70d.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr71.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr71d.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcrt.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcrtd.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libxml2.a matches
12:24 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't know which of those files define _errno and which ones depend on it...
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> you are correct
12:25 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> msvcrt and msvcr70 both depend on it
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> xml2 as well, kinda goes without saying
12:25 <wrtlprnft> that's why i'd like to use readelf, but it doesn't work on those files :(
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> do you know which one's the mingw runtime?
12:26 <wrtlprnft> no clue
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's not mingwex
12:27 <wrtlprnft> just set up a small script that tries all of them?
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's not gmon
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible none of them define it but they all link to it
12:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think mingw32 is going to be the runtime
12:34 <wrtlprnft> just tried it on my mother's win98 machine downstairs...
12:34 <wrtlprnft> it complains that it doesn't find libxml2.dll
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> you need that file in the directory with the executable
12:34 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
12:36 <wrtlprnft> !!!
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: did you work out the _errno thing?
12:36 <wrtlprnft> it starts up!
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> does it play? :)
12:36 <wrtlprnft> it just complains later about a missing var dir
12:37 <wrtlprnft> could not create path to ~/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/scorelog.txt
12:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> it uses / instead of \ for paths
12:39 <wrtlprnft> could not crate path to var/scorelog.txt
12:39 <wrtlprnft> *create
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't it bork over _errno?
12:41 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: no, haven't found anything
12:41 <z-man> I'm using gcc 3.4.6, just as wrtlprnft
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-c++ (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
12:41 <wrtlprnft> what do i need to do to tell it to use \ in paths?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> at least we're all on the same minor version
12:42 <wrtlprnft> *major?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> major.minor.revision
12:43 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:43 <wrtlprnft> so 2.4.1 would be the same minor revision?
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, "same minor" implies "same major" as well
12:46 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> because there's no relationship between minor versions from different major trees
12:46 <wrtlprnft> so, any clue about \ or /?
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> it could just be output that way for clarity
12:50 <wrtlprnft> aaah, missing rights
12:51 <wrtlprnft> wooooooooot
12:51 <wrtlprnft> i can play on my server!
12:52 <@guru3> buahahahaha
12:52 <@guru3> sweden didn't score
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> the server you just built?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so what about _errno? google's not helping :(
12:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, the server i just build
12:55 <wrtlprnft> on a win98 machine, 30ms lag :P
12:55 <wrtlprnft> fortress settings :D
12:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: update gcc?
12:55 <wrtlprnft> ok now, back to the client...
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's having the same problem...
12:56 <wrtlprnft> really?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> want me to committ the two files i changed?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> sure, what files are they?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> M ../armagetronad/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp
12:56 <wrtlprnft> M ../armagetronad/configure.ac
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> At revision 4836.
12:57 <wrtlprnft> no, not committed yet
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Sending configure.ac
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Sending src/tools/tDirectories.cpp
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Transmitting file data ..
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Committed revision 4837.
12:59 <wrtlprnft> and my configure line is...
12:59 <alda> hey game works on:
12:59 <wrtlprnft> XML2_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config CFLAGS="-I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -DNO_SOCKLEN_T -D_UWIN" CXXFLAGS="-I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2" ./configure --host=i386-mingw32msvc --prefix=/home/mathias/cross/tools --disable-sound --disable-glout --disable-binreloc
12:59 <alda> Host/Kernel/OS "alteKanotixBox" running Linux 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter ]
12:59 <alda> CPU Info Pentium II (Deschutes) 512 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 267.309 MHz ]
12:59 <alda> Videocard ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] X.Org 7.0.0 [ 800x600 @73hz ]
12:59 <alda> Network cards D-Link System RTL8139 Ethernet, at port: c000
12:59 <alda> Processes 76 | Uptime 2:49 | Memory 176.367/185.305MB | HDD Maxtor 6K040L0,ST34321A Size 44GB (5%used) | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
12:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:59 <alda> with lowest settings of course
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> so it works on another linux distribution :)
13:00 <wrtlprnft> I have 3 servers on a machine with 400MHz
13:00 <alda> but runs nice
13:00 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
13:00 <armabot> spidey: 20:00:45 up 49 days, 20:05, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
13:00 <alda> ^^
13:01 <wrtlprnft> that's my server :P
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> 13:01:42 up 6 days, 2:12, 3 users, load average: 0.68, 0.52, 0.32 <--- heh
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop's better, but not much
13:02 <wrtlprnft> and you complain about my machine again...
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> ? 10 days vs 6 days?
13:02 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> the difference is that I intentionally shut down my laptop
13:03 <wrtlprnft> ah, got something mixed up
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> libtools.a(libtools_a-tDirectories.o)(.text+0x7f):tDirectories.cpp: undefined reference to `_errno'
13:04 * Lucifer_arma growls
13:05 <z-man> Yeah, that's the only error I get for the master server.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> wanna play on my win98 server? just to see if it performs ok?
13:06 <wrtlprnft> SERVER_NAME WooT! Win32 crosscompiled from linux! SVN Trunk! WooT!
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> -lm maybe? I found a wxWindows post saying _errno is in the math library
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> nope, that didn't do it
13:10 <wrtlprnft> why don't you compile the newest binutils and gcc by yourself?
13:10 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66125
13:10 <wrtlprnft> that's what i used, + your stuff on the wiki
13:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: I compiled the stuff myself, too :(
13:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:12 <z-man> I'm looking for hints in the header files
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I ws about to point that out, but wanted to see what was on the page first :)
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm looking for hints on google :)
13:13 <z-man> the undefined references only come from tDirectories and shttp, that can't be coincidence
13:13 <wrtlprnft> i'd send you my entire /home/mathias/cross, but it's 999MB big
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting any from shttpd
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> just tDirectories
13:13 <z-man> Hmm
13:15 <z-man> There's a bit messing with errno and _UWIN
13:16 <z-man> right in include/errno.h
13:16 <wrtlprnft> what version of libxml2/binutils do you have?
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> I downloaded libxml2 fresh for this
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2-2.6.26
13:16 <wrtlprnft> libxml2-2.6.23
13:17 <z-man> libxml is irrelevant, binutils is 2.16.91-20060119-1
13:17 <wrtlprnft> that's what i got from /usr/portage/distfiles
13:17 <wrtlprnft> binutils-2.16.1
13:17 <z-man> libxml2 is the same is wrtls
13:17 <z-man> from distfiles, too :)
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> GNU ld version 2.15.91 20040904
13:17 <wrtlprnft> try that version of binutils?
13:18 <z-man> wrtlprnft: your version is between mine and Lucifer_arma's, I don't think it can be responsible
13:19 <wrtlprnft> true
13:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, then what did i do different than you guys?
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> what compile line went for tDirectories.cpp ?
13:20 <wrtlprnft> if i386-mingw32msvc-c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include/libxml2 -I./tools -I. -I.. -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2 -O2 -Wno-long-long -MT libtools_a-tDirectories.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" -c -o libtools_a-tDirectories.o `test -f 'tools/tDirectories.cpp' || echo './'`tools/tDirectories.cpp; \
13:20 <wrtlprnft> then mv -f ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
13:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's something to do with single-thread vs multi-thread dll's, I've found
13:22 <wrtlprnft> win98 supports threads?
13:22 <z-man> if /usr/local/cross-tools/bin/i386-mingw32msvc-c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../armagetronad/src -I.. -I/usr/local/cross-tools//include/libxml2 -I../../../../armagetronad/src/tools -I. -I.. -fmessage-length=0 -DNO_SOCKLEN_T -D_UWIN -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -W -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wconversion --pedantic -Wno-unused-parameter -MT libtools_a-tDirectories.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" -c -o libtools_a-tDirect
13:22 <z-man> echo '../../../../armagetronad/src/'`tools/tDirectories.cpp;
13:22 <z-man> you have _UWIN2
13:23 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> I have _UWIN
13:23 <z-man> _UWIN2 doesn't exist in my headers.
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> try it anyway, z-man
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> mine just built :)
13:24 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:24 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft cause he's bored
13:24 <spidey> lucifer,you signup for psykos sumo thingy?
13:24 <z-man> try rebuilding. We added _UWIN for a reason
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no, I didn't
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> you mean make clean and make?
13:25 * wrtlprnft wouldn't sign up if it was the last tournament on earth
13:25 * z-man means that
13:26 <spidey> why not wrtl?
13:26 <spidey> some good players signed up,and i like a challange :p
13:26 <wrtlprnft> because psyko is ***ing annoying?
13:26 <spidey> i don't like him either,but i put up with him
13:27 <spidey> you know,when i was hosting a tron server awhile back i had him come in and he told me "he starts shit cause he likes the attention,infact he loves it"
13:27 <wrtlprnft> additionally, my journey home is comming soon, i won't have much time
13:27 <spidey> exact words but he = i
13:27 <wrtlprnft> he is you?
13:27 <wrtlprnft> so you said it?
13:27 <spidey> no...
13:27 <spidey> he said it
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, spidey and psyko are the same idiot?
13:28 <spidey> :|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:28 <spidey> fuck no :/
13:28 <spidey> i'm on cahrter
13:28 <spidey> charter
13:28 <spidey> he's on verizon
13:28 <spidey> :p
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpIDo |mbc|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYDo |mbc|
13:28 <spidey> :/
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYKo |mbc|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> i like that one :)
13:29 <spidey> grrrr
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> use it, see if people love you or hate you
13:29 <spidey> i will not!
13:29 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYkO |mbc|
13:29 <wrtlprnft> there we go
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> but don't go to CT Fortress named PLayer Juan, someone'll try to kick you :)
13:29 -!- The_ManU [n=manu@p54A0A8AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
13:29 <spidey> lol
13:29 * wrtlprnft wonders what's up with Player Juan
13:30 <z-man> You could try Chico
13:30 <The_ManU> hm hi i'm alda on other machine, if i change the graphical options, armagetron forget them after restart of the game
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> probably just some asshat used that name before me
13:30 <The_ManU> can you help me plz?
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> ? that's ccrazy talk, armagetron remembers
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> unless it crashed
13:31 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: try starting arma with -w
13:31 <wrtlprnft> for windowed mode
13:31 <wrtlprnft> then you can fool around with the settings
13:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i can't seem to get kicked :/
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect -D_UWIN is the wrong define to solve that problem
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> JJbean wouldn't have kicked anyway after I ripped him an asshole over the unfamiliar name thing
13:32 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: yes on this pc all works fine, but _AFTER_RESTART_OF_THE_GAME_ it forgets the settings
13:32 <The_ManU> Host/Kernel/OS "KanotixBox" running Linux 2.6.15.6-slh-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 ]
13:32 <The_ManU> CPU Info Intel Pentium 4 512 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 2606.199 MHz ]
13:32 <The_ManU> Videocard nVidia NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT] X.Org 6.9.0 [ 1280x1024 @75hz ]
13:32 <The_ManU> Network cards Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet, at port: ec00
13:32 <The_ManU> Processes 82 | Uptime 19min | Memory 367.406/1010.41MB | HDD ST3160021A,Maxtor 6L080L0 Size 242GB (42%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6600 GT/AGP/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
13:32 <The_ManU> other pc ...
13:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i386-mingw32msvc/sys-include/io.h does contain _UWIN
13:32 <z-man> but not _UWIN2
13:33 <wrtlprnft> who ever talked about _UWIN2?
13:33 <z-man> Your command line :)
13:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:34 <wrtlprnft> that's a typo then
13:34 <wrtlprnft> very weird
13:34 <wrtlprnft> if it was a typo, how did it manage to fix my problem?
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> and changing mine to match yours made mine build after it had already built the rest of the game
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> so some object files were built with _UWIN defined, and some were built with _UWIN2 defined instead
13:35 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:35 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
13:35 <z-man> The only cpp file where the _UWIN had a positive effect was nSocket.cpp
13:35 <z-man> Because that fails to compile now again :)
13:36 <wrtlprnft> i later changed the line, after nSocket.cpp compiled
13:36 <z-man> Aha
13:36 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't do make clean
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> now I've got shttpd and nSocket together bitching at me
13:36 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:36 <z-man> so #define in sSocket.cpp
13:36 <z-man> #define _UWN, I mean.
13:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:36 <wrtlprnft> let me wait for it to reach that point
13:37 <z-man> Builds!
13:37 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:37 <z-man> What we really should do, probably, is get rid of one of the #includes
13:37 <z-man> I'll try to find out which one
13:38 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> starting from a make clean
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> you mean nSocket.cpp right?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> (there isn't an sSocket.cpp?)
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> how would that fix it for shttpd, too?
13:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, nSocket
13:39 <z-man> Right
13:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: shttp should work by itself
13:39 <wrtlprnft> if you don't define _UWIN in it
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right. nvm. :) I'm backwards
13:40 <wrtlprnft> nvm, shttpd fails for me now
13:41 <z-man> It didn't for me...
13:41 <wrtlprnft> gosh
13:41 <z-man> Ah, you forgot the SOCKTYPE
13:41 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> -DNO_SOCKLEN_T
13:41 <@guru3> curse those socks
13:41 <z-man> right
13:41 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:41 <@guru3> if you don't pay attention to the socktype
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> this whole thing socks
13:41 <@guru3> you wind up with mismatched socks :(
13:41 <wrtlprnft> but i have -DNO_SOCKLEN_T...
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> can't have that, socks must be gay or they're not cool
13:42 <wrtlprnft> in CCFLAGS
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> alright, mine built
13:42 <wrtlprnft> in CFLAGS
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> CCFLAGS doesn't exist :)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i meant CFLAGS
13:42 <wrtlprnft> now I'm the only one it doesn't link for?
13:42 <wrtlprnft> it fails at linking time
13:43 * wrtlprnft does make clean once again
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in ../../../armagetronadnew/src/tools/tLocale.cpp:150 :
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> Language British English not found.
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> Please send a Bug report!
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you're the only one fucked right now
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> wine runs it but quits with the error I just pasted
13:44 <wrtlprnft> that's a missing language dir
13:45 <wrtlprnft> try giving it a --datadir option
13:45 <wrtlprnft> that would point to your source dir
13:45 <z-man> The conflict is between unistd.h and winsock.h
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's datadir?
13:45 <wrtlprnft> i think it is
13:46 <wrtlprnft> --datadir <Directory> : read game data (textures, sounds and texts) from this directory
13:46 <wrtlprnft> texts == language methinks
13:47 <wrtlprnft> !!
13:47 <wrtlprnft> works now!
13:47 <wrtlprnft> yay
13:47 <The_ManU> hm wrtlprnft i play in 1280x1024, the text in game is very bad you can see pixels, text in menu is sharpen, is that nromal?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: yes
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
13:47 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: it will be different in the next version
13:47 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: i'll hope, when can we get it?^^
13:47 <wrtlprnft> you can already try to compile the trunk (in SVN on SF)
13:48 <wrtlprnft> nice and crisp fonts :)
13:48 <The_ManU> ah ok
13:48 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=350
13:48 <wrtlprnft> like on those screenshots :)
13:49 * Lucifer_arma thinks we'll need to work extra to get good support for cross-compiling
13:49 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: we're planning to release a development snapshot (or whatever it will be called, ask Luke-Jr for details) soon
13:49 <z-man> No, don't ask Luke-Jr!
13:49 <wrtlprnft> why? with a few quirks the server already works
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> you don't really want to sick Luke-Jr on this guy, do you?
13:50 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:50 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't know how it's called
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it alpha he complains
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it development snapshot he complains
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it development beta he complains
13:50 <The_ManU> say its sid :P
13:50 <The_ManU> then i'll love it
13:51 <wrtlprnft> sid?
13:51 <The_ManU> cuz i use debian sid 8)
13:51 <wrtlprnft> oh
13:51 <The_ManU> still in development
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> damn. a debian fanboy
13:51 <The_ManU> sounds good, doesnt it
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, it's Bacchus
13:51 <The_ManU> ^^
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> only, Luke-Jr would say "Bacchus is 0.4"
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, he's going to come back later and correct us all one at a time
13:52 <wrtlprnft> ok. don't ask Luke-Jr and call it whatever you want
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> how about "most recent release in the development series"?
13:52 <wrtlprnft> Server version: 0.3.0_most_recent_release_in_the_development_series unix dedicated
13:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:53 <The_ManU> hm ok thx for this nice game guys, i love it i've seen a 2d version of tron in suse 7 and i played a while a game called "tron 2.0" with windows which got this mini game too
13:53 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0_mrritds
13:53 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:54 <The_ManU> "this" mini game;)
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget your svn revision number!
13:54 <The_ManU> cya
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> bye
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> thanks for playing
13:54 <The_ManU> ok cu
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so why isn't it finding language files? obviously we disabled binreloc
13:54 -!- The_ManU [n=manu@p54A0A8AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #armagetron ["Konversation terminated!"]
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> where is it looking for language files?
13:54 <z-man> Ok, got the server cross compiling without warnings and errors and hacks :)
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, another Konversationer
13:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you had read his system specs you'd even know the version :P
13:55 <z-man> The Windows version is looking for stuf in the directory where the exe is in
13:55 <wrtlprnft> #last --with Konversation --from The_ManU
13:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [13:32:36] <The_ManU> Processes 82 | Uptime 19min | Memory 367.406/1010.41MB | HDD ST3160021A,Maxtor 6L080L0 Size 242GB (42%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6600 GT/AGP/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> so move the exe to the directory where everything else is?
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13:55 <The_ManU> dunno^^
13:55 <z-man> and for our build process, that's slightly wrong
13:55 <The_ManU> one last question
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> one last answer
13:55 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes
13:55 <The_ManU> where has my system put the game? cant find it in kde menu "games"
13:56 * z-man goes for dinner
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> we should change some directories around when it's the mingw target being built
13:56 <The_ManU> i start it with alt+f2 or console
13:56 <The_ManU> cu z-man
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> how did you install it?
13:56 <The_ManU> Lucifer_arma: apt-get
13:56 <wrtlprnft> it should end up in games if installed correctly
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you just need to flush the cache. Maybe login and logout
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, logout and login
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> something like that, get KDE to reload the menu
13:57 <spidey> LOL
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> press shift-escape to make it appear in the menu
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> actually, CTRL->ALT->BACKSPACE will force KDE to reload it's application menu
13:57 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: don't log out and in
13:57 <wrtlprnft> just run kbuildsycoca
13:58 <wrtlprnft> uh, but alt-Sysrq-B will work as well
13:58 <spidey> 123321456654789987
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13:59 <wrtlprnft> what did he do wrong?
13:59 <spidey> i'm betting he clicked shutdown instad of logout
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14:00 <Lucifer_arma> he probably hit ctrl-alt-backspace
14:00 <The_ManU> he hit that
14:00 <The_ManU> didnt helped
14:00 <The_ManU> what were the other suggestions
14:00 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:00 <The_ManU> ?^^
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> just run kbuildsycoca
14:00 <wrtlprnft> just use kmenuedit?
14:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that has the same effect as logging in and out, just without the actual logging in and out ;)
14:01 <wrtlprnft> but you can use kmenuedit to add an armagetronad entry ;)
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> better wait
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> seriously
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> I did that one time, and a couple of days later I had 2 armagetronad items
14:01 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: but normally it shopuld appear without add it manually?
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> one that I added, and one that KDE eventually picked up on its own
14:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i once ended up with everything twice
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> it gets worse, a third appeared when I installed the autopackage file
14:02 <wrtlprnft> really, everyting
14:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> man, you should see what I've got. When I boot into t2, I get my old Mandriva menus
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i currently have 4 armagetronad entries, none of which i use :P
14:04 <The_ManU> is izt called armagetron or armagetronad
14:04 <wrtlprnft> Armagetron Advanced
14:04 <The_ManU> i can start it with armagetron
14:04 <wrtlprnft> !
14:04 <The_ManU> ah
14:04 <wrtlprnft> what version?
14:05 <wrtlprnft> if you installed armagertron you got 0.2.6 which is stone age
14:05 <The_ManU> armagetron:
14:05 <The_ManU> Installiert:0.2.7.0-1.1
14:05 <The_ManU> M�gliche Pakete:0.2.7.0-1.1
14:05 <The_ManU> Versions-Tabelle:
14:05 <The_ManU> *** 0.2.7.0-1.1 0
14:05 <The_ManU> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
14:05 <The_ManU> 200 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages
14:05 <The_ManU> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
14:05 <The_ManU> that i have
14:05 <The_ManU> ...
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, configuration files not found
14:05 <wrtlprnft> then you have armagetronad, but an old version still
14:05 <The_ManU> and the newest is?
14:05 * wrtlprnft would recommend downloading arma from its site
14:06 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.8.2, isn't it?
14:06 * wrtlprnft refers to the title
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's in the topic for this irc channel
14:06 <The_ManU> ^^
14:06 <The_ManU> hm i think then it would come soon in debian sid
14:06 <The_ManU> to install with apt
14:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, 0.2.8 is a few months old now
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> there is no one here with debian, so we wouldn't know at this point
14:06 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2 is a bit newer, but mostly bugfixes
14:07 <The_ManU> hm ok
14:08 <wrtlprnft> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package?download
14:08 <wrtlprnft> you want that one, i think
14:08 <wrtlprnft> or no, you don't
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, yay, the dedicated server is running in wine
14:08 <wrtlprnft> that's 0.2.8.1
14:08 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2%252Farmagetronad-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
14:08 <wrtlprnft> that one
14:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad-dedicated runs in wine for me, but it doesn't let me connect :(
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14:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I couldn't connect either :(
14:10 <wrtlprnft> but it works fine on windows, so don't worry
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> so, we need to support filename extension, and we need to set it up with a different organization on make install
14:11 <The_ManU> hm i'll wait till it is in sid
14:11 <wrtlprnft> no clue how long that'll take
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> you sure? You don't get maps...
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, not if they're still stuck on 0.2.7.0
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's getting a bit long in the tooth now, too
14:12 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.7.0? that one even has a security issue
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.7.1 has important security fixes found by the debian guy, and you're vulnerable if that's what you've got
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.8.2 has security fixes 0.2.7.1 needed. :)
14:12 <The_ManU> security fixes? can you explain what can happen?
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> and Debian has a solid reputation for stale packages. That's why Ubuntu and friends were created in the first place.
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> Um, to be honest, it's so long ago that I don't remember details.
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> See, 0.2.7.1 is a bit over a year old now, longer even
14:14 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: and do you know?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> you're probably not terribly vulnerable since there's hardly anybody around still running anything that old
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> but you're probably also locked out from quite a few servers that require a newer client to play
14:16 <The_ManU> hm perhaps .. is terhe a *.deb for debian users with newer evrsion?
14:16 * wrtlprnft attempts to cross-compile xorg for windows...
14:16 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know. Klax would be the guy who'd know
14:17 <wrtlprnft> but you can fetch the rpm and use alien to turn it into a deb
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> the autopackage works well, though, and doesn't break apt
14:17 <The_ManU> yes ..
14:17 <The_ManU> mom
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14:19 <wrtlprnft> so, any clues about the client?
14:19 <wrtlprnft> that would be more interesting, methinks
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> yes it is more interesting, but we just did most of the really painful stuff
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> solve the openGL thing and you've solved the client
14:23 <wrtlprnft> +sound
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> sound should come when SDL works
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I can't imagine SDL_mixer not working when the core SDL does
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
14:23 <wrtlprnft> true
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> +ftgl
14:24 <wrtlprnft> ftgl shouldn't be too hard
14:28 <z-man> FTGL doesn't use autoconf, that could become painful
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't?
14:28 <wrtlprnft> well, but it's working in winlibs, isn't it?
14:29 <z-man> At least, its build process is unusual.
14:29 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> also you need to build freetype
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> no telling what freetype itself will deped on
14:29 <wrtlprnft> well, freetype doesn't have any dependencies AFAIK
14:29 <z-man> In Windows, nothing.
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they just coded in hex
14:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, any other than gcc
14:31 <wrtlprnft> it depends on zlib
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14:33 <wrtlprnft> wb
14:33 <The_ManU> hm guys this securoty bug, what can he do, is it really so bad, even people can egt into my machine?
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: what was the thing with 0.2.6.0 and 0.2.7.0 that you had to fix when you first reappeared here?
14:34 <z-man> Some unchecked integer values in the network protocol
14:34 <wrtlprnft> http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5JP0A15EVO.html
14:35 <wrtlprnft> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/atron-adv.txt
14:36 <z-man> It wasn't some run-of-the-mill buffer overflow bug, you have to do quite a lot of additional work to get your injected code executed
14:36 <z-man> But still, the theoretical possibility exists.
14:37 <wrtlprnft> http://www.opengl.org/products/platform/C6/
14:37 <wrtlprnft> why aren't we on that list?
14:40 <@guru3> wooo 88GB of anime :D
14:40 <wrtlprnft> O_o
14:40 <wrtlprnft> where?
14:41 <@guru3> abot 8m away upstairs in my file server
14:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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14:51 <wrtlprnft> haha. my name is listed on the CIA, first hit on google
14:51 * wrtlprnft feels watched
14:51 <wrtlprnft> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=wrtlprnft&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
14:52 <@guru3> lol
14:52 <@guru3> my results come out like it's a typo of guru3d :(
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer wrtlprnft
14:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 8770000, wrtlprnft: 550
14:52 <@guru3> or that like damn budhist or whatever google
14:52 <wrtlprnft> #google fight Lucifer_arma wrtlprnft
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 550, Lucifer_arma: 11
14:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
14:53 <wrtlprnft> #google fight davefancella wrtlprnft
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: davefancella: 763, wrtlprnft: 555
14:53 <wrtlprnft> gah
14:53 <wrtlprnft> screw you
14:53 <Luke-Jr> me
14:53 <Luke-Jr> no
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha
14:53 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 davefancella
14:53 <armabot> guru3: guru3: 13900, davefancella: 763
14:53 <@guru3> pwnt
14:53 <@guru3> :P
14:53 <Luke-Jr> fight me
14:53 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 luke-jr
14:53 <armabot> guru3: luke-jr: 79500, guru3: 13800
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer weirdguy
14:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 10600000, weirdguy: 811
14:53 <@guru3> haha no contents there luke
14:54 * wrtlprnft thinks he's getting somewhere with opengl
14:54 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
14:54 <Luke-Jr> guru3: someone/thing else must use your name =p
14:54 <@guru3> tons of stuff
14:54 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 tank program
14:54 <armabot> guru3: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
14:54 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 "tank program"
14:54 <armabot> guru3: tank program: 48400000, guru3: 13900
14:54 <@guru3> wtf Oo
14:54 <Luke-Jr> O.O
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we already have the link library, though
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> grep "_glVertex3f" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libopengl32.a matches
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> the missing symbol shows up in it, anyway
14:56 <wrtlprnft> then for some reason it doesn't contain glBegin
14:56 <wrtlprnft> that's what configure is looking for
14:57 * Lucifer_arma is considering disabling that check and seeing how it runs
14:57 <Luke-Jr> looks like it's not a C library
14:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: we NEED glBegin
14:58 <Luke-Jr> _glVertex3f is glVertex(double, double, double) in C++
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes, but maybe it's failing for a reason that doesn't actually stop it from building? Unlikely, but I've seen it. :)
14:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you'll likely find it under _glBegin?
14:58 <wrtlprnft> wooot
14:59 <wrtlprnft> just got it to configure further using some windows DLLs
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> ?
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> you got it past opengL?
14:59 <wrtlprnft> hecking for glVertex3f in -lopengl32... yes
14:59 <wrtlprnft> checking for gluBuild3DMipmaps in -lglu32... no
14:59 <wrtlprnft> configure: error:
14:59 <wrtlprnft> You need GLU to compile Armagetron; it SHOULD have come with OpenGL.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> hecking lol
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> how'd you get it past opengl?
15:00 <wrtlprnft> I used some dlls from win98
15:00 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that doesn't exactly fix it for the rest of us :)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok, I"m too sleepy ow anyway
15:02 <wrtlprnft> why, just get those files
15:02 <wrtlprnft> and you can fix it later if you find another way :P
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15:02 <Lucifer_arma> you mean the files in the link that gives me a 404?
15:02 <wrtlprnft> 404?
15:03 <Luke-Jr> File Not Found
15:03 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
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15:03 <wrtlprnft> that link isn't a 404 for me
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> not that link, but the link in that link
15:03 <wrtlprnft> oh, ignore that link
15:04 <wrtlprnft> the stuff below it is more interesting
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> right. Umm, where am I supposed to get the files from, then?
15:05 <wrtlprnft> some windows installation?
15:05 <wrtlprnft> or just search for the filename
15:05 <wrtlprnft> I'm sure you'll find it somewhere
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> aha. I see. :)
15:05 * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a windows installation anywhere to tap for it
15:05 <wrtlprnft> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?opengl
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> and I said I was too sleepy, I meant it. I'm about to pass out.
15:05 <wrtlprnft> first hit on google...
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> and I said I was too sleepy, I meant it. I'm about to pass out.
15:06 <wrtlprnft> good sleep then
15:06 * Luke-Jr injects Lucifer_arma with caffeine =p
15:06 * wrtlprnft suggests Lucifer_arma sleep at night
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> I drink tea all day, Luke-Jr
15:06 <wrtlprnft> *should
15:07 <Luke-Jr> wtf? it was correct w/o the 'should'
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's correct with the should, too
15:07 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:07 <wrtlprnft> and i wansn't sure about the one without
15:07 <Luke-Jr> it's slightly redundant with it
15:07 <The_ManU> z-man, this security bug in the source is also dangerous for linux systems when i use 2.7?
15:08 <wrtlprnft> it is
15:08 * Luke-Jr notes this is what the bugfix version element is for
15:09 <Luke-Jr> now we can go back and bump 0.2.7 and such up with the fix
15:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> the fix already exists
15:09 <wrtlprnft> in 0.2.7.1
15:10 <The_ManU> mine is 0.2.7.0 ... and the apt-get installation is better for me than a own dpkg
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.7.1 was a bugfix release
15:10 <The_ManU> but if it is so dangerous, i'll make a deb
15:10 <The_ManU> the debian sources have only 0.2.7.0
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> ? autopackage will install harmlessly into your system
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> really, you can just install it to your home directory, not even to system directories
15:11 <The_ManU> the whole game or onlx the fix?
15:11 <wrtlprnft> the whole game
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> the whole game, you never patch the executable :)
15:11 <wrtlprnft> that makes about 3MB or so
15:12 <The_ManU> hm but installation in ~ looks not nice
15:12 <wrtlprnft> why?
15:12 <wrtlprnft> install it in /opt if you want
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> because it's completely invisible?
15:12 <The_ManU> so just say if its dangeropus with FW in router and linux, or not, then i'll install newest or not^
15:12 <wrtlprnft> ?!
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> autopackage has a very nice installer. You'll get your menu item, and you won't have to stumble across it everytime you wipe your nose
15:15 <The_ManU> hm yes but i update only if its important and if you say, yes this security bug in 0.2.7.0 is bad for your machine, then i'll update, but if its only a very little thing then i#ll nit just say what would be better, and i do it;)
15:15 <Vanhayes> #dict arrogance
15:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: arrogance n : overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors [syn: {haughtiness}, {hauteur}, {highhandedness}, {lordliness}]; gcide: Arrogance \Ar"ro*gance\, n. [F., fr. L. arrogantia, fr. arrogans. See {Arrogant}.] The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride (5 more messages)
15:15 <Vanhayes> #more
15:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption. [1913 Webster] I hate not you for her proud arrogance. --Shak. [1913 Webster] Syn: Haughtiness; hauteur; assumption; lordliness; presumption; pride; disdain; (4 more messages)
15:16 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: it theoretically gives everyone the ability to do anything on your system
15:16 <wrtlprnft> and the new version is better anyways :P
15:17 <The_ManU> ok wrtlprnft then can you give me plz link to the rpm or a deb plz? and i'll install the new one :)
15:18 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2%252Farmagetronad-0.2.8.2-1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.rpm
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15:31 * Lucifer_arma farted
15:33 <z-man> Actually, also the worst thing that can happen to BUG cry abusers is that they're put on my ingore list. I'm far too lazy to ban them.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> don't tell them that
15:34 <The_ManU> Not Found
15:34 <The_ManU> The requested URL /fetch.php/0.2.8/0.2.8.2/armagetronad-0.2.8.2-1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.rpm was not found on this server.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> not again...
15:34 <wrtlprnft> that download script sucks
15:34 <wrtlprnft> wait, fixing it, if i can remember how
15:35 <The_ManU> ok thx :)
15:37 <wrtlprnft> try again...
15:39 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: dont work
15:39 <wrtlprnft> screw this
15:40 <wrtlprnft> http://aabeta.dashjr.org/download/0.2.8/0.2.8.2/armagetronad-0.2.8.2-1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.rpm
15:40 <wrtlprnft> direct link, if that mirror system won't work
15:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr
15:41 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: should i rmove the old packages of armagetron or just install it over the old one?
15:41 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue about debian
15:41 <wrtlprnft> removing the old one should be safer
15:44 <The_ManU> ok
15:46 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: is that good?
15:46 <The_ManU> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package armagetronad: postinst prerm
15:46 <The_ManU> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
15:46 <The_ManU> armagetronad_0.2.8.2-2_i386.deb generated
15:46 <The_ManU> root@KanotixBox:/home/manu/Eigene_Dateien/Ei
15:49 <wrtlprnft> should be fine
15:50 <wrtlprnft> try it, if it doesn't work uninstall again and call alien with --scripts
15:55 <wrtlprnft> something must be flawed with my libglu32.a...
16:05 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: both doesn#t work
16:10 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: still here?
16:11 <The_ManU> Lucifer_arma: do you know where to get a deb?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> like what? error message?
16:14 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: is german
16:14 <wrtlprnft> warum nicht?
16:14 <The_ManU> altes pre-removal-Skript wurde beendet mit Fehler-Status 127
16:15 <wrtlprnft> before that?
16:15 <wrtlprnft> *what is before that
16:15 <The_ManU> W�hle vormals abgew�hltes Paket armagetronad.
16:15 <The_ManU> (Lese Datenbank ... 140561 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
16:15 <The_ManU> Entpacke armagetronad (aus armagetronad_0.2.8.2-2_i386.deb) ...
16:15 <The_ManU> Richte armagetronad ein (0.2.8.2-2) ...
16:15 <The_ManU> /var/lib/dpkg/info/armagetronad.postinst: line 2: /share/games/armagetronad/scripts/sysinstall: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
16:15 <The_ManU> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von armagetronad (--install):
16:15 <The_ManU> Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 127 zur�ck
16:15 <The_ManU> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
16:15 <The_ManU> armagetronad
16:15 <The_ManU> thats the wohole thing, without script it says no script found
16:15 <The_ManU> *whole
16:16 <wrtlprnft> grr
16:16 <The_ManU> :'(
16:16 <wrtlprnft> there is no .deb, I'm afreaid, since no developer here uses debian
16:16 <The_ManU> then i have to use this old version :/
16:17 <wrtlprnft> and something seems to be preventing alien from working
16:17 <wrtlprnft> or the autopackage :P
16:17 <The_ManU> hm
16:17 <The_ManU> ?
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> did he even try the autopackage?
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> he gave me the brush off everytime I suggested it...
16:17 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
16:17 <The_ManU> no
16:18 <wrtlprnft> http://aabeta.dashjr.org/download/0.2.8/0.2.8.2/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
16:18 <The_ManU> how to use?
16:18 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft:
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> sh ./*.package
16:19 <The_ManU> ?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> assuming you only have one in the current dirr
16:19 <The_ManU> sh./ and then?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> put it somewhere and say sh <nameofthefile>
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> there's a space between the sh and the .
16:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: why ./?
16:19 <The_ManU> yes
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> habit
16:20 <The_ManU> and then the name of the bin?
16:20 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:21 <wrtlprnft> that'll hopefully give you some nice graphical installation dialog
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> defaults to text in this version, iirc.
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> because the graphical installer segfaulted for like 99.9999999999999999% of the world
16:22 <The_ManU> we'll see he is downloading stuff and asks oot pwd
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't give the root password, it installs to your home directory
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> which is pretty neat
16:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you sure it wasn't more like 99.99999999999999999% of the world?
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(0.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999)
16:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(0.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999) = 0
16:23 <The_ManU> sed: -e Ausdruck #1, Zeichen 2: unterminated `s' command
16:23 <The_ManU> /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-script-utils: line 1965: /,/: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> what does that say in english?
16:24 <The_ManU> installation ended
16:24 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft:
16:24 <wrtlprnft> weird
16:25 <wrtlprnft> grr, we need more testers on different systems
16:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like most of our devs are on gentoo
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to help, but since I can't read German, I'll go to bed instead
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> #night
16:25 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
16:25 * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
16:25 <wrtlprnft> sed: -e Expression #1, Char 2: unterminated 's' command
16:25 <wrtlprnft> /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-script-utils: line 1965: /,/:
16:25 <wrtlprnft> file or directory not found
16:26 <z-man> The_ManU: but the installation ran through?
16:26 <z-man> Because I got that error all the time when testing, but it was safe to ignore it, the game worked anyway.
16:27 <z-man> (all the time == on Sarge and Ubuntu)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: btw you get english messages if you prefix LC_ALL=C to your command
16:28 * wrtlprnft is helpless about libglu32 :(
16:28 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't seem to contain anything useful
16:28 <The_ManU> z-man: yes works
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> libglu32 is extensions that your 3d card driver is supposed to provide
16:29 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: whats with this lib?
16:29 <z-man> wrtlprnft: still about cross compilation?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:30 <wrtlprnft> mingw does contain it, though
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a link library
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> at runtime, the program loads from a dll instead
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and the windows trick that worked for libgl32 doesn't work
16:31 <The_ManU> bye
16:31 <wrtlprnft> cya
16:31 <wrtlprnft> any ideas?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> nm --print-armap libglu.a lists some symbols, but if i try to use them they fail at linking time
16:33 <z-man> No, but IIRC, I was using GLU back when I had everything cross compiling.
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> you added -lglu32 to your linker flags?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> yep
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16:34 <z-man> wrtlprnft: how did you get SDL_image to build?
16:34 <z-man> For me, it's not finding the symbols from SDL
16:34 <wrtlprnft> i need SDL_image?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> i got SDL and SDL_gfx
16:35 <z-man> Oh
16:35 <wrtlprnft> but i do need it?
16:35 * wrtlprnft doesn't know what SDL_image is for
16:35 <z-man> Perhaps SDL_gfx replaced SDL_image
16:35 <z-man> not the first name change :)
16:36 <z-man> (Look into the rTexture.cpp include stuff...)
16:37 <wrtlprnft> then we need SDL_image i guess
16:39 <wrtlprnft> yuck
16:39 <wrtlprnft> SDL_image wants zlib and libjpeg
16:39 * z-man is getting the prebuilt binaries
16:40 <wrtlprnft> cheater!
16:42 <wrtlprnft> wtf
16:42 <wrtlprnft> zlib's ./configure doesn't support --host!
16:44 <wrtlprnft> what do i do now :(
16:47 <z-man> Gaa, the binaries don't contain the libraries
16:48 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, tell me if you find out how to compile zlib for another host :(
16:51 <z-man> Will do, probably not today.
16:51 * wrtlprnft has had enough of crosscompiling for today
16:51 * wrtlprnft is off for a few matches at BF fortress (if it's not full)
16:55 <z-man> Shall I kick someone out?
16:56 <wrtlprnft> nah
16:56 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even try to join yet
16:56 <wrtlprnft> I just realized the arma version i use for playing is stull based on CVS
16:56 <wrtlprnft> so I'm currently compiling sVN
16:56 <wrtlprnft> with optimisation and custom hacks etc
16:59 <wrtlprnft> z-man: or actually, if psyko or macattack is playing.. why not? j/k
16:59 <z-man> macattack is banned :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
17:07 <spidey> you could kick spidey
17:07 <spidey> he's a annoying little shit
17:08 * z-man kicks spidey
17:08 <spidey> lol
17:10 * spidey is going home in the morning
17:10 <spidey> atleast i'll be able to keep up with low pingers then
17:10 <spidey> :D
17:11 * spidey throws a baseball at z-man
17:11 <z-man> That reminds me, I saw a bat today!
17:11 <spidey> lmfao
17:12 <z-man> Didn't know they lived in cities, too.
17:12 <spidey> ne either
17:12 <spidey> i see them all the time at home
17:12 * spidey lies in the sticks :/
17:12 <z-man> heh
17:12 <spidey> s/lies/lives
17:13 <spidey> i'm glad i left spidey_ in here
17:13 <z-man> yawn, gtg2bed
17:13 <spidey> i keep forgetting my ip at home :/
17:13 <z-man> So you see your computer is up?
17:13 <spidey> no,so i can get my ip
17:13 <spidey> lol
17:14 <spidey> ggkthnxbbq
17:22 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
17:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 57?F / 14?C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.44in / 997hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Periods of rain ending this evening then cloudy with a few showers beginning near midnight. Risk of thundershowers early this evening. Amount 5 to 10 mm. Fog patches. Wind east 30 km/h gusting to 50 (1 more message)
17:23 <spidey> hmm
17:23 <spidey> i'm switching to DSL
17:23 <Vanhayes> #more
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Sunday - Showers. Amount 5 mm. Fog patches. Wind southwest 20 km/h. High 15. UV index 3 or moderate. Sunday night..cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. Fog patches. Wind west 20 km/h. Low 10.; Monday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. High 20.;
17:23 <spidey> it's $10 cheaper and i'll get double the speed
17:23 <spidey> Up to 6 Mbps/
17:23 <spidey> 512 Kbps
17:23 <spidey> FastAccess
17:23 <spidey> DSL Xtreme 6.0
17:23 <spidey> $46.95
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> bats live under the bridges all over austin. They're the reason our hockey team is called the Austin Icebats
17:28 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ever heard of dynDNS for getting your ip? ;)
17:35 <spidey> i got one
17:36 <spidey> but i pointed it to this ip cause i run a TS server
17:36 <spidey> and i don't feel like giving a new ip out
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17:51 <spidey> you
17:51 <spidey> what about them?
17:52 <me> someone has this auto install package for me?
17:54 <me> spidey you perhaps?
17:55 <spidey> ?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> manu: consider youself de- tarned :P
17:55 <wrtlprnft> n=manu@p54A0A1D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
17:55 <spidey> it's on the site,look for the version you want with a .package ending
17:56 <me> wrtlprnft: yes with an older kanotix version
17:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:56 <me> client?
17:56 <wrtlprnft> yep
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18:03 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-funclib: line 730: 11910 Speicherzugriffsfehler autopackage-frontend-gtk "$@"
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gah. that's the gui
18:07 <wrtlprnft> there's an option to disable it somewhere
18:07 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: and what caused the error, or ehat IS the error?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> the error is that the gui of autopackage is buggy
18:08 <wrtlprnft> so you need to disable it
18:08 <The_ManU|me> ???
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18:08 <The_ManU|me> but it worked some hours ago?
18:08 <The_ManU|me> perhaps you gave me an another link
18:08 <The_ManU|me> then i downloaded now?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> another machine, right?
18:09 <spidey> holy shit
18:09 <spidey> i'm rich
18:09 <The_ManU|me> oO
18:09 <spidey> i just checked my paypal account
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:09 <spidey> <me> wrtlprnft: yes with an older kanotix version
18:09 <spidey> wait
18:09 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: no, another os
18:09 <The_ManU|me> ok
18:09 <spidey> Balance: $0.02 USD
18:09 <spidey> RICH!
18:09 <The_ManU|me> lol
18:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:10 <The_ManU|me> congratulations
18:10 <wrtlprnft> who donated?
18:10 <spidey> lmao
18:10 <wrtlprnft> -taxes and fees $0.01 i guess
18:10 <spidey> no one,it's what i have left outta $30
18:11 <spidey> i take $30 a month outta the bank to pay for webhosting/gameserver hosting
18:11 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU|me: try calling the sh command with -t
18:13 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: nothing happend
18:13 <The_ManU|me> just a new prompt
18:13 <wrtlprnft> and there you chose?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 2, right?
18:14 <The_ManU|me> 1
18:15 <wrtlprnft> weird
18:15 <wrtlprnft> installs just fine for me
18:15 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: worked now, what did -t do?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU|me: force the terminal installer
18:16 <wrtlprnft> not the GUI one
18:16 <wrtlprnft> the gui one fails for some people, though it works fine for me
18:17 <The_ManU|me> and did the gui one installed something?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> probably not
18:18 <wrtlprnft> it segfaulted
18:19 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to show you a dialog asking if you wanna install it system-wide or just for the user
18:19 <wrtlprnft> if that dialog didn't come up it certainly didn't install anything
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18:49 <Vanhayes> #google fight The godfather Scarface
18:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
18:49 <wrtlprnft> #google fight "The godfather" Scarface
18:50 <Vanhayes> space
18:50 <Vanhayes> #google fight "The godfather" Scarface
18:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: The godfather: 39900000, Scarface: 15500000
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02:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning everyone
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04:15 * Lucifer_arma is back.
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05:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: MirrorX appears to be MIA, so it's removed from fetch.php for now
07:06 <spidey> woot
07:06 <spidey> bbl,on my way home
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08:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, thanks
09:02 <spidey_> FINALLY!
09:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: back home?
09:09 * wrtlprnft is amazed: spidey_ gets a chance for having some real life, instead he hangs around some old modem all day and is happy as hell to get back home
09:15 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/what.php
09:15 <wrtlprnft> omg, I'm never pasting in there again
09:15 <wrtlprnft> > Keep in mind that any posts to the public pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/) are considered to be placed into the public domain.
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10:05 <Lucifer_arma> "I'm better than you".
10:05 * Lucifer_arma loves arrogant people, really.
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> if I didn't love arrogant people, I couldn't love myself, now could I?
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10:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: looks like I'm not getting email notifications from the forums now, is it just me or is it affecting everybody?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: no errors, like it normally gets when email doesn't work
10:23 <guru3> i don't know
10:23 <guru3> cause i don't get them myself
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11:38 <Spidey> test
11:38 <Spidey> #ping
11:38 <armabot> pong
11:50 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know what he wants to do with his server this time
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12:12 <Lucifer_arma> hi philippeqc
12:12 <philippeqc> hello
12:13 <philippeqc> he! was it you, incognito, who told me that "cycle size was a good idea"?
12:13 <philippeqc> like last weekend
12:14 <philippeqc> or rather "you where right about cycle width"
12:20 <philippeqc> z-man: you seem on a rool of experimentation.
12:21 <z-man> Hehe, yeah.
12:21 <philippeqc> first cycle width, then break-away speed.
12:21 <z-man> No, I was rubble.
12:21 <z-man> (got the idea when Lucifer_arma mistyped "in trouble" as "int rouble")
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> that why you asked why I accepted the poll? ;)
12:22 <philippeqc> what will be next
12:22 <z-man> so now im actuall "int ruouble;" or just Rubble.
12:22 <z-man> You kickvoted me? :)
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> I accepted it :)
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> something told me you weren't just some random noob, and I thought it would be fun :)
12:22 <philippeqc> 'tis dangerous to kick vote someone who can code you out of the game ;)
12:23 * Lucifer_arma needs to think up a new name again, heh
12:23 <z-man> Well, my GF was browsing the web, so my Lag made me act like a goddam noob
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I even checked ping to see if it could be definitively you, so I was at least partially on to you, heh
12:23 * philippeqc wonders at the type of pages z-man's gf is browsing to need so much bandwidth.
12:23 <philippeqc> ;)
12:23 <z-man> We only have low bandwidth :)
12:24 <z-man> And a 266 Mhz PC as router...
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> she browses text-only pages made in 1994 and his ping shoots to 1000
12:24 <z-man> along that lines, yes.
12:24 * Lucifer_arma needs to stop nibbling the inside of his cheeks, that stuff hurts when you put mouthwash in there!
12:24 <philippeqc> humm, time to shell 12 euros for a router maybe?
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> a router that only has a 266mhz microprocessor in it?
12:25 <z-man> Bah, that wouldn't improve things much
12:25 <philippeqc> naa, must be the bandwidth that is limiting
12:25 <z-man> I could mess with the QOS bits.
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> my 2 year old can take his shirts off now, that's neat
12:26 * z-man is off for dinner
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> he probably could for awhile, he was just hiding the fact from me
12:26 * philippeqc confuse the internal bandwidth and cpu need router between multi-nets and router to modem ;)
12:27 <philippeqc> watch out, you'll have a streaker during the summer!
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> all small kids are streakers :)
12:28 * Lucifer_arma goes to play some fortress
12:28 <philippeqc> yeah, but now he finally figured out how to do it
12:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you got my armabot message?
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12:47 <philippeqc> yes
12:47 <philippeqc> thanks for the note
12:48 <wrtlprnft> yw
12:48 <wrtlprnft> just figured it out by random and thought you might wanna know that
12:48 <wrtlprnft> *found it out
12:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is left out in the c++ annotations :(
12:50 <philippeqc> I had actually found that about set. But yours has an example and avoid subclassing shared_ptr (I was trying that)
12:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:51 <philippeqc> and FooPtrOps will save me lots of work. Didnt know it needed 2 method.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't need both
12:51 <wrtlprnft> brb
12:52 <philippeqc> that explains why my ::operator< for my comp wasnt called. It is not in the struct.
12:53 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you only need one I think, but that class is used in different spots IIRC and only one is needed
12:53 <wrtlprnft> per spot
12:53 <wrtlprnft> but it doesn't hurt to define them all :)
12:54 <philippeqc> well, I only had one, and it wasnt the one called ;)
12:54 * wrtlprnft thinks you'll figure it out :)
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13:03 * Lucifer_arma loves knee-jerk reactions
13:04 * Spidey is a knee-jerk
13:05 <Vanhayes> what is a knee-jerk reaction?
13:07 <[NP]Tangent> hey
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> would one of you guys mind testing something for me?
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> in another server window, /server tangentirc.gotdns.com
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> just gotta see if people can connect there
13:10 <wrtlprnft> I can join
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> a knee-jerk reaction is when someone shows up to fortress, plays two rounds, and then declares how much they hate the change. :)
13:12 <wrtlprnft> aka psyko
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's usually the result of a change being different enough to disrupt the old order of things, and a natural resistence to learning new things
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> people most likely to exhibit knee-jerk reactions are the same people who show general tendencies to hate many things, black people, gay people, country music, etc.
13:12 <Spidey> i love
13:12 <Spidey>
13:13 <Spidey> fuv\ck
13:13 <Spidey> damnkeyboard
13:13 <Spidey> i love the new change
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> people least likely to have knee-jerk reactions are people who generally like to learn new things and do new things, and accept things that are beyond their experience and try to assimilate them into their lives
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, anyone can have a knee-jerk reaction.
13:13 <Vanhayes> well I hate country mousic but I'm fine with all those others
13:14 <Spidey> van
13:14 <Spidey> grind damn you
13:14 <Vanhayes> no
13:14 <Spidey> yes
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> Spidey: you grind
13:14 <Spidey> i just died cause of you :/
13:14 <Spidey> trying to seal that hole :/
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see a wall put right in the front of the team with a little teeny tiny hole only large enough to fit one cycle (the center)
13:14 <Spidey> i can't grind if van don't :p
13:14 <Vanhayes> dont blame me for your incompatence
13:14 <wrtlprnft> you guys know armagetron has a builtin chat feature?
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see what new tactics people come up with then
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're playing under aliases and don't want people to know?
13:15 <wrtlprnft> /msg ?
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, some people don't have tab completion, the barbarians
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> and /msg is a pain without it
13:15 <wrtlprnft> their fault
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> I know, but what can you do?
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> besides release 0.3...
13:15 <[NP]Tangent> they are not cavemen
13:16 <[NP]Tangent> they can have the technology
13:16 <[NP]Tangent> of tab completion
13:16 <wrtlprnft> instant chat keys?
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can lead a man to water, but you can't make him drink.
13:16 <wrtlprnft> INSTANT_CHAT_KEY_1_42 /msg somenickpart \
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> witness the continuing love of doublegrinding beyond all rational sense
13:16 <Vanhayes> people like to go fast, what can you do?
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> piss on them?
13:17 <Spidey> wrtrl since when?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: ?
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> since awhile, the backslash was added for 0.2.8, wasn't it?
13:17 <Spidey> when did tron get a chat feature?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> long before i was born
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> you have to build it yourself for that
13:18 <Spidey> oh
13:18 <Spidey> guess i don't have it then :/
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> if all these people that doublegrind are so much better than me, why do they care what I think, then?
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> is it just so they can say "We're better than you, so you have to listen to us"?
13:23 <Spidey> better?
13:24 <Spidey> 1 adjust fixes that
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, better than me
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> better players I assume
13:24 <Vanhayes> not better just faster
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, they're telling me they're better
13:24 * Spidey is gonna adjust on van
13:24 <Spidey> hahaha
13:24 <Spidey> he beat it
13:25 <Vanhayes> that was a pussy grind
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> I guess deep down inside I'm just a sucky player, eh?
13:25 <Spidey> yea
13:25 <Vanhayes> not that deep down
13:26 <Vanhayes> guess no more Double grinding for me spidey
13:26 <Spidey> :p
13:27 <Spidey> i love you van
13:27 <Spidey> with half my tron heart
13:28 <Vanhayes> only half?
13:28 <Spidey> yes
13:29 <Spidey> the other half goes to lucifer
13:29 <MaZuffeR> Spidey: :'(
13:29 <Spidey> maz gets my real heart xD
13:29 <MaZuffeR> :D
13:40 <Spidey> maz come hep me pwn luci
13:41 <MaZuffeR> nah, the soccer game starts soon
13:42 <Vanhayes> heh soccer, not football?
13:42 <MaZuffeR> soccer, so that spidey would understand
13:42 <Spidey> i know what it is :p
13:42 <Spidey> i had to watch it in spanish all week
13:43 <Vanhayes> why is soccer so popular in europe?
13:43 <MaZuffeR> 'cause it's the best sport of course
13:43 <Spidey> lol
13:43 <wrtlprnft> why are baseball, football and hockey so popular in america?
13:43 <Vanhayes> u can use your hands...
13:44 <wrtlprnft> why are sports popular at all? I think they're rather boring :P
13:45 <Spidey> i like basketball
13:45 <Vanhayes> I likie boxing the most
13:46 * wrtlprnft likes boxing too in arma
13:47 <Spidey> like i'ma box alf if he doesn't leave me more room?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways, new change to tab completion in the trunk: you can complete the contents of comfig items on the console
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> soccer's popular in europe for the same reason there are so many european fortress players:
13:51 <Spidey> why do people argue when i'm the one giving the break command? i think i would know who broke and not
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> they get lower ping
13:51 <Spidey> lol
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> but what do I know? I'm just the suckiest fortress player around...
13:52 <Vanhayes> so soccer is popular because of low ping?
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> precisely!
13:52 <MaZuffeR> yea, soccer is really hard if you lag
13:53 <wrtlprnft> brain lag is especially bad
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's not like football, where lag isn't that big a deal because it takes 5 minutes to setup a play anyway
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> then 20 seconds of action, then 5 more minutes waiting for the refs to figure out what happened
13:56 <wrtlprnft> and that's what you guys call sport :P
13:57 <Vanhayes> not what I call a sport
13:58 <wrtlprnft> i meant US americans :P
13:58 <Vanhayes> #canada
13:58 <armabot> 4
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14:08 <Vanhayes> #weather
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
14:08 <Spidey> lucifer?
14:08 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 57?F / 14?C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.41in / 996hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers and drizzle ending near midnight then cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. Fog patches. Wind becoming west 20 km/h early this evening. Temperature steady near 12.; Monday - Cloudy with sunny (1 more message)
14:08 <Vanhayes> #more
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: periods. 60 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. High 21. UV index 6 or high. Monday night..cloudy. Low 13.; Tuesday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 21.;
14:08 <Spidey> asshole
14:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: the different CYCLE_DELAY settings thing is pretty hairy to implement, it seems. The AIs only decide in which direction they wanna turn if they can turn, but with different cycle_delay settings they have no way of knowing before...
14:14 <z-man> The AIs are of lesser importance. And they can decide to turn at the earlierst possibility, it wouldn't disturb their play much
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14:16 <wrtlprnft> so just give them (CanTurnRight && CanTurnLeft) as condition?
14:20 <Spidey> in september my connection's getting doubled :D
14:20 * Lucifer_arma core dumped on the floor for 1 points.
14:20 <Spidey> z-man, how do you calc. the max players you can hold again?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> in 20 days I'll have <100 ping of BF fortress :P
14:21 <Spidey> wejp, my ping should go down,i'll have over 600kb/s down and 60-70kb/s up
14:21 <Spidey> right now i have 380kb/s down and 24kb/s up
14:21 <Spidey> wrrtl*
14:21 <Spidey> fucking keynoard
14:22 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: sec
14:23 <GodTodd> 380 down?
14:23 <GodTodd> wow
14:23 <Spidey> dude
14:23 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: <number of teammates in the zone> * 2 - <number of enemies in the zone> * 3
14:23 <Spidey> at my moms house,i had a 16 ping on my sever
14:24 <wrtlprnft> if it's >= 0 you can hold the fortress
14:24 <Spidey> no,the number of people my server can hold
14:24 <wrtlprnft> the smaller the result the faster it will be conquered
14:25 <Spidey> i wanted to know the max players a server would hold
14:25 <Spidey> like how to calculate i
14:25 <wrtlprnft> sec
14:25 <Spidey> it*
14:25 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Advanced_Server_Administration_Guide#Bandwidth_Limiting
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, we have documentation on that?!?
14:25 <Spidey> lol
14:25 <Spidey> i can't click that
14:26 <Spidey> my mouse went out on this box :/
14:26 * Lucifer_arma wrote the first draft of it :)
14:26 * Spidey has to tab everything
14:26 <wrtlprnft> use screen and irssi :P
14:26 <wrtlprnft> there you can copy and paste no problem without a mouse
14:26 <wrtlprnft> or you just dig out your chatlogs
14:26 <Spidey> well
14:27 <Spidey> i think i can hold 16
14:27 <wrtlprnft> or you type it by hand
14:27 <Spidey> i can hold 8 now
14:27 <Spidey> with very little lag
14:27 <wrtlprnft> how much upstream?
14:27 <Spidey> 8 = number i've tried
14:27 <Spidey> i'll have 60-70kb/s up
14:27 <Spidey> now i have 30kb/s (what i held 8 people on)
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 70 / 6
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 70 / 6 = 11.6666667
14:28 <Spidey> i can do more....
14:28 <wrtlprnft> 11 people if they each use 6kb/s upstream
14:28 <Spidey> #g 30/6
14:28 <armabot> Spidey: 30 / 6 = 5
14:29 <Spidey> see there it says 5 on the current connection,i've did 8 np before
14:29 <wrtlprnft> if they all start mazing at the same time they'll lag out
14:29 <Spidey> heh
14:29 <Spidey> the setting i use take care of that
14:29 <Spidey> :p
14:30 <wrtlprnft> cycle_delay 1?
14:30 <Spidey> no...
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14:30 <wrtlprnft> that'll help a bunch
14:30 <Spidey> the delay's .01
14:30 <wrtlprnft> ARENA_AXES 1?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> that will get rid of all lag
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14:31 <Lucifer_arma> cycle_accel -1 will also get rid of all lag
14:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> it won't
14:31 <Spidey> not really, the accel/speed/rubber settings i use
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the best way to get rid of lag is to press shift-escape
14:31 <wrtlprnft> MAGIC_LAG_PREVENTION 1 will get rid of it
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that works pretty well, too
14:31 <Spidey> and arena size
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> but you have to be hooked up to FTL internet
14:32 <wrtlprnft> ARRENA_SIZE -100 will get rid of it as well
14:32 <wrtlprnft> especially with teamplay
14:32 <Spidey> hhahahaha
14:32 <Spidey> no thanks
14:32 <Spidey> :p
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> cycle_rubber -10 helps a lot, too
14:32 <wrtlprnft> that works?
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> yep
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's an....interesting game
14:32 <wrtlprnft> kill all instantly?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> cycle_speed 1e100 will get rid of it as well
14:32 <Spidey> arena size = -3 rubber = 8 cycle_speed = 20 cycle_accel = 10
14:33 <Spidey> that's the setting i use
14:33 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, WALLS_LENGTH 1e-100
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> switch cycle_speed and cycle_accel and you're just about at my old breakfast in hell settings
14:33 <Spidey> heh
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now that I'm older and more experienced, I realized something very important.
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> HiGh RuBBeR Is LaME!1111!!one!one
14:34 <Spidey> 8 isn't really that high....
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> not compared to MBC's 50
14:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah :(
14:34 <Spidey> 47*
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> 50!?!?? CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT?
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> sorry bout the caps
14:34 <Spidey> it's 47 :p
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it was 50 the other night
14:35 <Spidey> i think
14:35 <wrtlprnft> I don't like the mbc server anymore since the rubber increases at a rate of 10/month
14:35 <Spidey> i haven't been in there in along time
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> not 5.0, like what people normally mean
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> but 50-fucking.0 rubber!
14:35 <Spidey> yea
14:35 <Spidey> i pwn on mbc
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it was boring as hell
14:35 <wrtlprnft> i usually win if i play
14:35 <Spidey> playing on fortress and other low rubber servers and doing alot of mazing
14:36 <wrtlprnft> last time about a month ago :P
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> then I made a spiral box, and they said "don't camp"
14:36 <Spidey> then goto mbc and they can't trap me :D
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I said "it was open!"
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, really, when somebody makes an open spiral box, that's an invitation to come inside
14:36 <wrtlprnft> so you can trap them in there?
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> yes! that's the whole point!
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> and to show how much of a badass you think your are, of course
14:36 * Spidey would go inside it
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I would too!
14:37 <Spidey> i'd make it out to
14:37 <Spidey> and you'd be dead :p
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> now, if I had really closed myself in, sure, that's camping, no argument there
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> not my box, baby
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't make it out of my box
14:37 <Spidey> wanna bet? :p
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> but then again, neither would I
14:37 <wrtlprnft> haha
14:37 * Lucifer_arma gets lost in his own boxes, it's true
14:38 <Spidey> it's almost impossible to kill me on mbc
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost impossible to kill anybody on mbc
14:38 <Spidey> due to high rubber and i have good rubber control :p
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> what were they thinking when they cranked the rubber way up?
14:38 * Spidey can maze all day :/
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> "let's make it easy for noobs"
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> I guess it's a noob-friendly server, now. As long as noobs fight all the time and never cuss, tht is
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> and we know new players definitely fight without cussing, without exception, every one of them!
14:39 <Spidey> hhheh
14:39 <Spidey> i can't really say much about mbc
14:39 <GodTodd_> how about cursing without fighting? :)
14:39 <Spidey> a few of them are great players
14:39 <Spidey> and i learned most of everything i know about low rubber servers from those few
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> that's what they do on SP, isn't it?
14:40 <wrtlprnft> at least mbc doesn't buy its members like sp does
14:40 <Spidey> true
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> ? how do you buy a clanmember?
14:40 * wrtlprnft looks at joda_bot
14:40 <Spidey> hahaha
14:40 <wrtlprnft> no, the other way, they *sell* the membership
14:40 <Spidey> eally?
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> what, you have to give them money to be in SP?
14:41 <Spidey> really*
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm waaaaay too cheap for that, hah
14:41 <Spidey> before sp broke up
14:41 <Spidey> i got banned :)
14:41 <Spidey> for pwning x3r and bragging
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, for bragging, we know, you've been bragging about it every since
14:41 <Spidey> hahah
14:41 <Spidey> i have?
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think a day goes by when you don't smile and remember it
14:42 <Spidey> lol
14:42 <wrtlprnft> gah, yesterday i got kicked from a bzflag server for having 150ms lag
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> so how do you determine if you're better than another player in a team game, anyway?
14:42 <Spidey> you don't
14:43 <Spidey> and what's that got to do with free for all servers?
14:43 <Spidey> the team is equal,if one member fucks up we all have a fuck up
14:43 <Spidey> then again
14:43 <GodTodd_> being better than someone in a team game is directly proportional to the amount of deflating your ego needs
14:43 <Spidey> sometimes i've seen people support a entire team
14:44 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd_: really sure? I think it's an exponential function
14:44 <GodTodd_> that could be as well ;)
14:44 <Spidey> i think you should use broken english,so i know what the hell you just said
14:44 <Spidey> xD
14:44 <GodTodd_> guess it depends on how loudly you spout it :)
14:45 <GodTodd_> at 380kb/s down....have you even seen what i said yet? :D
14:45 <Spidey> ?
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14:46 <Spidey> LOL
14:46 <Spidey> wrong window
14:46 <GodTodd_> w00t...got me name bac
14:46 <GodTodd_> back*
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14:47 <Spidey> hahahah
14:47 <Spidey> if i turn the mixer all the way up
14:47 <Spidey> and the desktop speakers
14:47 <Spidey> i overload my stereo
14:48 <Spidey> :-s
14:48 <Spidey> it's got hella bass though
14:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think the ony way you can rate a person's abilities in a team game is if they refuse to play as part of a team, then you can rate their performance as an individual
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> but in my personal scale, that rates them the lowest, because I rate people by how well they function on a team
14:49 <Spidey> lemme ask you another question
14:49 <Spidey> what if the team refuses to play as a team?
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> which means, of course, that I may think you're the shit one day, and nothing but shit another day, depending on the team and stuff
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you mean by that. :) I've seen teams not play as a team because they didn't know what they were doing,
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> or they had an asshole as center who kept killing them and they couldn't get enough votes to kick him.
14:50 <Spidey> i mean,7people pissed at each other and killing each other
14:50 <Spidey> that leaves 1 actually playing
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen teams refuse to play as teams where they just didn't do any kind of concentration of force or anything, and I've taken what was actually lesser players against them and won
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, sounds like you have a server with 7 players that should go do something else :)
14:50 <Spidey> LOL
14:51 <Spidey> yea
14:51 <Spidey> for somereason i'm nowhere near as good as i used to be
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> you're starting to suck the same way I do
14:51 <Spidey> i used to be able to handle 6 people by myself,now if the team fails,i usually fail
14:52 <MaZuffeR> that is because everyone else got better
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you're starting to suck like I do
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14:52 <Spidey> lol maz
14:52 <MaZuffeR> i haven't improved my game in 3 months or so
14:52 <Spidey> i think it's because i played soldat for 3 months and didn't touch tron
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14:52 <Spidey> you still kick my ass
14:52 <Spidey> lol
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14:54 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with MaZuffeR isn't that his moves are particularly neat or whatever, it's that he's been around so long, he literally knows what you're going to do before you know what you're going to do,
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> and counters it
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> he's beyond neat little lag tricks and stuff
14:54 <Spidey> heh
14:55 <Spidey> i know a way to kill maz :p
14:55 <Spidey> when he's defense
14:55 <MaZuffeR> the funny thing is that I don't do it conciously (sp?), it just happens
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> so do I, get him to run into my wall, that's easy enough
14:55 <Spidey> people say circling people makes defense stronger
14:55 <Spidey> it's a lie :)
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> well if you took time to think about it, we'd kill you while you were thinking about it :)
14:55 <MaZuffeR> probably
14:56 <Spidey> maz kicks my ass in soldat too :/
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> man, you're on a different level than I am, I think I get you 1 out of 4 times if I'm lucky, the rest of the time I'm lucky to survive the encounter, let alone keep you away from the zone
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm known to be the suckiest player around
14:56 <Spidey> true
14:57 <MaZuffeR> now I've gotten that good at soldat that lag starts to bother me
14:58 <wrtlprnft> omg
14:58 <Spidey> MaZuffeR, you should come in now
14:58 <Spidey> you haven't seen lag yet
14:58 <wrtlprnft> testing stuff i do in b0_2_8 isn't fun :(
14:58 <Spidey> hyper-gaming's fucked up
14:58 <wrtlprnft> awful font, no completion... bah!
14:58 <MaZuffeR> second half of the soccer game starting now
14:59 <Spidey> if soccer is football then football is what?
14:59 <Spidey> rephrase
14:59 <Spidey> if our soccer is your football then what is our football/
14:59 <Spidey> ?
14:59 <z-man> American Football
14:59 <MaZuffeR> american football
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> they're too smart to play something like that
14:59 <Spidey> lol
14:59 <z-man> No, we're not :(
15:00 <Spidey> hahaha
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:00 <z-man> We've got the Cologne Centurions....
15:00 <z-man> Or Centurios
15:00 <z-man> Can't remember which were Zylons and which Romans :)
15:00 <MaZuffeR> the team form my old town are called Butchers
15:00 <MaZuffeR> *from
15:03 <Spidey> brb,water/piss (and no i'm not drinking my piss!!)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> what, he's gonna pour water into the toilet and flush it?
15:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's what i thought too
15:07 <Spidey> no....
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> pour his water into the toilet, flush the toilet, then piss in his cup?
15:08 <Spidey> we buy bottled water cause our well water has to much iron
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> we have a water purification system
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's part of our water bill
15:09 <Spidey> well
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, you live in a MUD, they purify your water for you...
15:09 <Spidey> we don't pay for water
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> must be nice to live in a place where water is free....
15:09 <Spidey> we pay for the electricity to pump the water out of the ground
15:09 <Spidey> it's called spring water
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> you have electricity out there?
15:09 <Spidey> :|
15:10 * Lucifer_arma chuckles a little bit
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> I come from the desert, where water is such an important natural resource that they've made sure only corrupt government contractors handle the region's supply
15:12 <Spidey> heh
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm serious
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> they spent $30million to build a new reservoir that would be twice the capacity of the old one, right?
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> this reservoir holds what little rain they get, and some of the spring water coming off the mountains
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> then they handed it off to one of the most corrupt businesses in town, where they cut every cost to build it so they could pocket as much money as possible
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> within a month after building it, the reservoir cracked
15:13 <Spidey> heh
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> so now it holds only 1/3 of its capacity, about 1/2 of what the old reservoir held
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> and they tore down the old one!
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> in the fucking desert, and they're playing games with water
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> so now, you can only top off existing swimming pools. If you build a new swimming pool, you have to have the water to fill it shipped in, you can't use what's in the reservoir
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> makes me want to invent moisture farming, like what they do in Star Wars
15:15 <Spidey> hahahaha
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> luckily I don't live in that shithole town any more, I live in river country now, where we only have to ration water a couple of months a year
15:16 * [Xpert]DarkStar loves switzerland where everyone has enough water at any time
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> corruption's just as bad, but at least there's enough water that if they play games with it, they won't wipe us all out
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> must be nice to have a glaciar sitting over your head giving you all the water you could ever want
15:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
15:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glaciars aren't that big anymore
15:18 <Spidey> tennessee doesn't have water problems :p
15:18 <Spidey> then again we've got lots of rivers and streams :)
15:18 <Spidey> not to mention the tennessee river 5 minute walk away
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you're in the hill country or east texas, you're fine
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> west texas is pretty arid, and north of texas is oklahoma, which is a desert
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> come to think of it, west texas counts as desert too
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> but the hill country and east texas has lots of rivers
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> lots of little streams, too
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> the reservoir thing happened in Alamogordo, NM, though, which is in a desert
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> complete with sand dunes :)
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glaciars aren't that big anymore
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> errr oops
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> arrow up + enter in the wrong window ><
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> there's a longstanding fight over water between west texas and New Mexico, because the few rivers and streams they have in west texas originate in new mexico
15:25 * MaZuffeR just killed his first mosquito this year
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15:26 * Lucifer_arma has been killing junebugs all month
15:26 <Spidey> only 11 days
15:26 <Spidey> 16:27:21 up 11 days, 23:42, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.01
15:27 <Spidey> heh,i installed mepis on the 1st
15:27 <Spidey> or was it the 31st
15:27 <Spidey> hmm
15:27 <MaZuffeR> last year i had like 30 mosquito bites on my right hand and 20 on the left one o_O
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15:28 <Spidey> lol
15:29 <MaZuffeR> that's what happens if you have an army camp on a swamp
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15:59 <Spidey> big fish!
16:00 * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps Spidey around a bit with a large trout
16:01 * Spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar around a bit with a large cow
16:02 * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps Spidey around a bit with windows me
16:03 <Spidey> ew
16:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nasty, eh?
16:03 <Spidey> indeed
16:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
16:04 <Spidey> it's like getting slaped with a used condom
16:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> used twice at least :P
16:04 <Spidey> :s
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> no,, it's more like getting slapped by the whore down the street. Everybody's used her, most for nothing.
16:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
16:06 <Spidey> lol
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16:09 <Spidey> damn lucifer,that slaps was so hard it knocked z-man out of here
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> he's sometime into next week now
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: does the rotation thing work yet?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> #g 36/4 :)
16:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> #g 36/4
16:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 36 / 4 = 9
16:34 <Spidey> lol
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha. ALl this change does is make gold win :)
16:57 <Spidey> ?
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's what madmax said, we just wasted blue team 2 matches in a row
16:57 * Spidey is watching a documentry on the nsa
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> everyone's saying "All this change does is <this>", where <this> is always something different
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> so that's what madmax volunteered
16:58 * Spidey wants the nsa super computers
16:58 * Spidey will come pwn gold
16:58 * Lucifer_arma wants a computer that can ray-trace arma in realtime
16:58 <Spidey> i'll put this movie on hold
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just stepped out again
16:58 <Spidey> :/
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> doing homework, or trying anyway
16:59 <Spidey> well
16:59 <Spidey> a super computer can try 1 trillion crypto strings in a few minutes
16:59 <Spidey> 'er
16:59 <Spidey> a few seconds
17:00 <Spidey> wait
17:00 <Spidey> 70 trillion
17:00 <Spidey> that's take a home computer 22,000 years to try all those keys
17:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good night everyone
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
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20:16 <Spidey> lol
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20:23 <spidey_> yay for mac clone
20:23 * spidey_ loves getting kicked for killing a DGER
20:23 <MaZuffeR> hehe
20:24 * spidey_ goes back to fortress
20:26 <spidey_> lol
20:26 <spidey_> sheesh
20:26 <spidey_> now i'm getting kicked for killing a non-grinder and somehow overpassing center
20:26 <spidey_> oh well,another mac clone i guess
20:26 <spidey_> brb
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20:28 * spidey__ yawns
20:29 <spidey__> hmm
20:29 <spidey__> those 2 names need to timeout
20:30 <spidey__> maz are you whisper?
20:30 <MaZuffeR> yes
20:31 <spidey__> heh
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha. We're playing a light cycle game where you accelerate by generating friction, and they're saying a speed boost when you break ruins the realism?
20:32 <spidey__> >?
20:32 * Lucifer_arma is glad the complainers don't live in this part of the country
20:33 <spidey__> you talking about tron?
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=58821#58821
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> do you know any other light cycle games where you accelerate by generating friction?
20:33 <spidey__> i can't click it
20:33 <spidey__> no mouse
20:33 * n54 likes the speed boost idea, not sure about width
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, just listen to people then, I'm sure you'll hear someone complain about how it ruins their realism
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> note, these are the same people who complained about cycle width, heh
20:33 <spidey__> i love the boost thing
20:34 <spidey__> even when mazin
20:34 <spidey__> it's fun
20:34 * Lucifer_arma just watched dumb and dumber, and had an easy time putting Psyko in Jim Carrey's role
20:34 <spidey__> hahahahha
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I gotta agree on the boost thing. Even better when you're taking someone from behind :)
20:35 <spidey__> yup
20:35 <MaZuffeR> i didn't get to test the boost thing only attack :(
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> not sure, but I kinda think whatup goes in the other guy's role, the dog-tamer guy, because he's got a little more sense
20:35 <MaZuffeR> *on
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, just imagine the dismay of the doublegrinder next to you when you're going faster than he is because you didn't pass the center :)
20:36 <spidey__> yuo know
20:36 <spidey__> if i can bypass the ban you get for being kicked
20:36 <spidey__> anyone can
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but most smegheads can't figure it out, they're too busy jerking for the pleasure of having been kicked
20:36 <spidey__> lol
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh my god they kicked me, I'm cumming! I'm cumming!"
20:37 <spidey__> hahah
20:37 <spidey__> well,i don't like zop,and he seems to think i HAVE to let him DG
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, if he'd ever *not* DG, he'd know by now that the break boost is better :)
20:37 <spidey__> and my ip can be anywhere from 24.xxx.xxx.xx 66.xxx.xxx.xxx and 68.xxx.xxx.xxx so i'm virtually unbannable unless you wanna ban thousands and thousands of people
20:38 <spidey__> actually that's millions i think
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20:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, you don't have 63.therest in there, so I'm safe from your nuke ban
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20:39 <spidey__> HAHAAHAH
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> just don't turn renegade on us, spidey
20:39 <spidey__> i'm not hh
20:39 <spidey__> heh'
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20:39 <Lucifer_arma> you're timing out now
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20:40 <spidey> no those 2 names are from mac clones
20:40 <spidey> that other one still needs to timeout
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I caught that. You kept getting kicked and changing your mac address
20:40 <spidey> yer
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> what ever happened to pants, did z-man ban him?
20:41 <spidey> dunno
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he just got busy with his daughter, his wife or whatever just had a baby girl a couple months ago or so
20:41 <dlh```> it's summertime, he probably switched to shorts.
20:41 <spidey> lol
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:42 * Lucifer_arma suspects he's changed his name, but would be surprised if he had
20:42 <n54> huh 0.5 mechanical pencils are so much nicer for ordinary writing than 0.3 *is kind of amazed at that*
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20:44 <spidey> are you Gaymosexual luci? lol
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's me :)
20:44 <spidey> hahahahah
20:44 <MaZuffeR> i can't really do anything if i would get banned, static ip address and I have to use this mac address to connect to internet
20:45 <dlh```> KICK BECAUSE OF NAME
20:45 <spidey> who's g337h3l3d0u7?
20:46 <n54> geetheledout? get the hell out?
20:46 <n54> gee the led out?
20:47 <n54> he's a terrible speller no matter what ^^
20:47 <spidey> lol
20:50 <GodTodd> maybe it's the swedish spelling ;)
20:52 <spidey> fucking shift+esc
20:53 <dlh```> why is everyone trying to kick you?
20:55 <spidey> kick who?
20:55 <spidey> me?
20:55 <dlh```> gaymosexual
20:55 <spidey> oh
20:55 <spidey> lol
20:56 <GodTodd> gaymophobic?
20:56 <GodTodd> :D
20:58 <n54> gaymobile?
20:59 <n54> and hi GodTodd et al. :)
20:59 <spidey> fagmobile sounds better
20:59 * GodTodd nods 'ello to n54.
20:59 <n54> gaymofaggafaggaratamobile?
20:59 <n54> that's an awesome name ^^
20:59 <spidey> hahahahaha
21:00 <spidey> i'ma rename to that in tron
21:00 <n54> girls would throw themselves in front of you while driving to stop you and pick you up lol
21:00 <spidey> LL
21:01 * spidey changed my name to A Lesbian
21:01 <GodTodd> yep....just act gay and all women want you....it's the most fucked up thing ;)
21:01 * spidey coredumped A Lesbian
21:01 <n54> that's an uncommon surname...
21:01 <spidey> lol
21:01 <GodTodd> how about Ira Carpetmuncher
21:02 <n54> Ira might be the weirdest?
21:03 <GodTodd> always liked Frank N. Furter myself
21:03 <n54> or is Ira common?
21:03 <n54> hehe :)
21:03 <GodTodd> it's not...but funnier :P
21:04 <n54> sorry I don't get the Ira part :|
21:04 <GodTodd> I Are A...
21:05 <GodTodd> guess it's funnier to us yanks ;)
21:05 <n54> yeah I guess, "I are" just grates me :)
21:06 <GodTodd> well...probably comes from having to have like 20 years in school of a language we speak everyday so we like to play with it and fuck it up....just a little bit :D
21:07 <GodTodd> man am i a potty mouth tonight :/
21:09 <n54> mouthrunner ;)
21:12 <spidey> gaymopwn
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that was awesome
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> awww, nemo's not in here still?
21:13 <dlh```> .me
21:13 <spidey> yea
21:13 * dlh``` *
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> dlh is nemo?
21:13 <spidey> 'er
21:13 <spidey> looks like i might have to mac clone again
21:13 <spidey> :/
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, dlh``` they were just trying to kick over name
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> whatup and Sasha both went for teamkills, sasha got hers (his?)
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I thought P4 was too, but I was wrong, no hard feelings
21:19 <spidey> my ex-step cousins name is sasha
21:19 <spidey> she's a girl
21:19 <spidey> heh
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I know Sasha's a girl's name in the US....
21:20 * Lucifer_arma has a vague memory of Sasha being a boy's name in Russia
21:20 <MaZuffeR> Sasha is male, it's both a male and female name in Russia
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh, spidey's getting good at picking me out with my faker than normal names
21:22 <spidey> all i gotta do is compare pings and watch play
21:26 <spidey> hahahah
21:26 <spidey> you should have seen this move dude
21:26 <spidey> true teamwork
21:26 <spidey> sonar tricked him and i cut him off
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21:42 <spidey> sfather!
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21:51 <n54> hi mom :)
21:53 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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22:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, it doesn't work yet
22:19 <wrtlprnft> it should do some basic parsing if there was a valid DTF
22:19 <wrtlprnft> *DTF
22:19 <wrtlprnft> *DTD
22:19 * wrtlprnft always manages to make the same mistake twice
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22:39 <wrtlprnft> #m z-man* ok, I got the different CYCLE_DELAY settings thing working pretty well, gotta set up that network compatibility stuff (I'll copy that from CYCLE_WIDTH) and documentation. Are you gonna test that on bugfarm, too? Maybe just with a relatively slight difference so you don't get all the lag problems, or at least not too much
22:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you there?
22:53 <GodTodd> yeah
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> do you remember the name of that chess website we used to play through?
22:54 <spidey> damn dude
22:54 <spidey> that's the best few matches i've played in a very long time
22:54 <spidey> i actually had fun tonight
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> after I left? :)
22:54 <GodTodd> shit....i'll have to think about it...
22:54 <spidey> yea
22:54 <spidey> lol
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't overstrain yourself, I can find something if you don't remember it off hand
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting kinda sick of people around here saying because they can beat me every now and then that they are better tacticians
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can challenge them to Crimson Fields using the play by email feature, but Chess is a much more likely game, I think
22:56 <GodTodd> don't remember it right off hand
22:56 <GodTodd> been a while heh
22:56 <GodTodd> ;)
23:13 <Your_mom_arma> fun couple of matches
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> did you guys quit sucking when I left? heh
23:14 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
23:14 <spidey> ltwas fun
23:14 <Your_mom_arma> but it had more to do with the fact nemo started d and i took center
23:14 <spidey> you should come in more often :P
23:14 <spidey> great
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> luci is this the chess site? http://www.linuxuser.at/chess/
23:15 <spidey> you leave all the retarded people join
23:15 <spidey> :/
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's not it. :( It was a play by email site
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd move, then it sent him an email, and he'd move and it would send me an email
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd move, then he'd move, then I'd move again and say "checkmate"
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> so is 3.0 coming out or is 2.8.2 still in the works?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.8.3 is still in the works
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> 0.3.0 will be a deelopment release, and you should only run it if you like bugs and want to participate in development in some part or other ;)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> you'll want to run it, probably
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> :)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> because you get the cockpit, a nice xml file that sets up what was formerly called the hud
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> and, to be honest, I'd like to see what kind of cockpit you'd put together :)
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, 0.3.x is marked unstable, and might blow up in your face at the worst times, so regular users that just want to play should steer clear of it
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> is anything compiled that i can download?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, I just tagged it earlier. We've got a QA team now that needs to do some sort of sanity check on it to make sure we're not releasing a total turd
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> luci did you see all the anthrax tour dates in texas?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, about the same time I noticed they weren't coming within 400 miles of here
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can it be to go to Austin?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> It's not like we're some podunk town in the middle of nowhere!
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> They're even bypassing both DFW and San Antone!
23:24 <GodTodd> must be the 'redneck' tour ;)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> they're going to fucking wichita falls, dude
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> WICHITA FALLS
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> well they are touring with white zombie
23:25 <GodTodd> they at least hitting houston?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're going to houston. That's their last stop in texas, iirc.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> el paso, lubbock, amarillo, WICHITA FUCKING FALLS, and Houston, I think
23:25 <GodTodd> at least they hit ONE major city here then heh
23:26 * Lucifer_arma tells Your_mom_arma that Wichita Falls is a dinky little town in the middle of nowhere
23:26 <GodTodd> wichita falls is practically OK
23:27 <Your_mom_arma> anthrax always hits towns out in the middle of nowhere here as impossible as that sounds
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> not in the presence of a 9-year old promise to come back to Austin before 8 years had expired
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it was John Bush who made that promise, and he quit the band
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> supposedly, everythings unconfirmed
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> as in, if they whine enough he might go back
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> dude, it's as sure as if your wife walked out on you saying you were hanging out with your ex-wife
23:30 <GodTodd> you forgot corpus christie and mcallen :D
23:31 * GodTodd is helpful. ;)
23:31 <GodTodd> of course...any tour that hits Council Bluffs IA is right at home in podunkville
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's fucking helpful
23:32 <GodTodd> belladonna is back?
23:32 <GodTodd> geesh
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, reunion tour
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> spitz, too
23:32 <GodTodd> saw that
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he's their timekeeper (heh)
23:33 <GodTodd> where the fuck is mokena IL??
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> for a touring band they have a terrible taste in venues
23:35 <GodTodd> they don't think they could sell out DFW or Austin, or what?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.itsyourturn.com/
23:36 <GodTodd> that's it!
23:36 <GodTodd> :D
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> Pantera sold out Austin
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> they also hit San Antone and DFW in the same tour
23:37 <GodTodd> with or without dimebag?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> and sold them all out
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> with, this was the concert 9 years ago where Anthrax promised to come back < 8 years
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> and lied...
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you should treat stage talk like pillow talk and just put your cock in it
23:38 <GodTodd> lol
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=58881#58881 <-- challenge issued to forum readers, at least
23:39 <GodTodd> these are the same people that will tell wichita falls 'you're the best fuckin' town to rock in'
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't used to have popups :(
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> godtodd they say that to every city
23:41 <GodTodd> exactly
23:41 <GodTodd> so why trust them to tell the truth?
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23:42 <Lucifer_arma> this is the same band that paid out of their own pocket to play some shows in canada that Priest didn't want to hit, so when Priest took a break, Anthrax shelled out their own money to go
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> and took a loss/broke even, but played, "for the fans that love them"
23:43 <GodTodd> how long ago?
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe we didn't want those yanks down here in the first place
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> Ummm, Priest tour, so sometime while I was in Washington State, anyway
23:44 <GodTodd> 'course it can't be for the money....how much can you make selling out wichita falls and council bluffs?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> when the Ripper was with Priest
23:44 <GodTodd> dunno...i'm at a loss as to why they would pass us up
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, we might make fun of Wichita Falls, but it's actually a good place to play. :(
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> what I don't get is skipping DFW and one of [San Antone, Austin]
23:44 <GodTodd> true...i'm not saying DON'T hit them....but hit DFW, Austin, and SA for fuck's sake
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell can you afford to drive your tour bus across texas without stopping in DFW?
23:45 <GodTodd> i didn't know you could get gas east of El Paso until DFW :D
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it can get pretty tight :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> signs that say "130 miles to the next gas station"
23:46 <GodTodd> trust me, i know ;)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be scared to try my truck down I-10
23:46 <GodTodd> we go 380 to NM
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it has to stop about every hour for gas on a roadtrip like that
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> that the one that goes up over the sacramento mountains?
23:47 <GodTodd> yeah
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> You take I-20 out a ways, then turn off, and you wind up going through lovington, hobbes, and cloudcroft?
23:47 <GodTodd> yep, exactly
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> I remember that being a fun drive
23:47 <GodTodd> it's not bad
23:47 <GodTodd> 10-12 hours depending
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I made it in the middle of the night, and got stuck missing 3 gas stops due to non-24hour gas stations
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> almost ran out of gas :)
23:48 <GodTodd> we get to go through Throckmorton :D
23:48 <GodTodd> yeah...for all the oil rigs out there they sure don't keep alot of it
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you go down I-10 and then break off a couple of hours east of el paso you can get on that same route in new mexico,
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> but you drive a little 2-lane highway that's literally perfectly straight for 100 miles
23:49 <GodTodd> that would suck
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> check the alignment on your car, you won't have to steer once on that road
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, it's so weird it has it's own little novelty
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> not even an interstate is that straight
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I've driven on most of the interstates in the west and never seen anything like it
23:50 <GodTodd> we just have to fill up when we leave, then in Post, then when we leave alamo, then post again
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, when it's a route you know.... :)
23:50 <GodTodd> though...this last trip we had 3 construction lights on the two lane
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> we usually fill up i Fort Stockton and take a rest break somewhere near el paso
23:50 <GodTodd> that slowed us down a bit
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course,w e go a different route. Your route would add 3 hours to the drive for us
23:51 <GodTodd> yep....you're down south there :P
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> but 290W is a beautiful highway, out through fredricksburg
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> I got up to 120 on I-10 one time. :) Well, several times. blazed through ozona, socorro, and another town
23:52 <GodTodd> heh
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> after I picked up the first ticket (for 98, he got me after a curve), I slowed down and still made Fort stockton in 3 hours
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> normally it's 5.5 hours there
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> After I picked up the second ticket, the rest of the trip went as usual
23:53 <GodTodd> i got clocked in MO once in my old voyager at 79 in a 65....the cop asked if i knew how fast i was going and i almost told him 'yeah...shoulda seen how fast i was going before i saw you'
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> got the third ticket on the way back. Stopped a total of 4 times, the Mexican sheriff in El Paso being the only one that just gave me a warning :(
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> the guy that ticketed me with the 98 in a 55 was freaking out so much over the speed that he failed to check registration and insurance
23:53 <GodTodd> lol
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> he was funnier than shit. He was all adrenalized 'cause he thought I was going to try to run.
23:54 <GodTodd> of which you had non, i presume
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> It was a mazda 626! I'm not stupid!
23:54 <GodTodd> none*
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I had none of that at the time. :)
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> my license was good, though.
23:54 <GodTodd> first time i got stopped in AZ i had guns pointed at me
23:54 <GodTodd> that was fun
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I got stopped for 65 in a 35 in Seattle, and the cop let me go. I was in my truck with my two kids in there.
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> guns? what was that for?
23:55 <GodTodd> well...no one told me that if you open the door they hide and aim at you
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/50 <--- this is my weirdest cop encounter
23:56 <GodTodd> strat cop?
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, you're supposed to stay there and let them approach you, with your hands in view
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the strat cop story :)
23:56 <GodTodd> yep...i was lucky that i didn't have any metal flash from a lighter or anything
23:56 <GodTodd> yeah...read that one :)
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, that's the weirdest one where I didn't get arrested. The one where I got arrested is weirder
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I haven't written that one up
23:57 <GodTodd> i've never been cuffed but i was arrested for lifting a few packs of cigarrettes once
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> people get offended when you tell them you slept naked in a car with a 15-year old girl, got arrested, and didn't get charged for all the "sleeping with a minor" charges
23:57 <GodTodd> cigarettes
23:57 <GodTodd> *
23:58 <GodTodd> were you married at the time?
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, it was about a month or so before we got married
23:58 <GodTodd> ahhh...then i'm offended
23:58 <GodTodd> heh
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> I think the part people find offensive is the "didn't get charged" part
23:59 <GodTodd> probably
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> you know, "dad went down the the police station and tried to get him set free, what the hellw as he thinking?!?"
23:59 <GodTodd> but then, i'm one that thinks there are worse things that are done than that
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of which, my year just lost some of its fun. Now I'm going to be saying "I've been married for 10 years, my wife's 26 and I'm 31"
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it was more fun when she was 25 :)
00:00 <GodTodd> heh
00:00 <GodTodd> i can't say that...my wife's 32 :(
00:01 <GodTodd> and we've only been married 2.5 years
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, there really are men that use their age and experience to seduce young women against their will, and sometimes I wish I was one of them...
00:01 <GodTodd> though i'm about to have an 8 year old kid....
00:02 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:02 <GodTodd> *long gestation period* :D
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fact that the math works out for our kids doesn't help us to avoid evil judgement
00:03 <GodTodd> judgement IS evil
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> people seem to be more willing to believe my wife's 20 or younger and my daughter's 10, and the math don't work out on that
00:03 <GodTodd> nope
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this canadian girl I worked with, ummm, yeah. She thought all Texans were hicks.
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> She asked me one time how long I'd been married, and I told her, and she asked for ages, and I told her
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> While she was doing the math in her head, I said "Yeah, she was my sister before we were married, our momma said it ws alright"
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> poor girl
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:05 <GodTodd> heh
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> she believed me, too, damn canuck
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> told her she was only my half-sister technically, but my dad had married her cousin or something like that
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> just some crazy shit I made up, you know how that stuff goes, haha
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> canadians = gullible
00:06 <GodTodd> i take it you weren't working at a job as a rocket scientist with her ;)
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> (where's vanhayes when I'm trashing canadians?"
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, she was selling software and I was her tech support ass
00:07 <spidey> and you say i'm in the incest state
00:07 <spidey> psssh
00:07 <GodTodd> thought that was west virginia...
00:07 <spidey> no it's arkansas
00:07 <spidey> lol
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> tennessee, west virginia, what's the difference?
00:07 <spidey> :/
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> if the appalachians touch it and it was a slave state, you're inbred
00:08 <GodTodd> lol
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> if Mississippi is 3 syllables to you, you're an inbred
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> thats classic
00:09 <spidey> it's 4 :/
00:09 <spidey> and what about texas? >:P
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> ? if texas was full of inbreds, do you really think Bush would be pushing immigration reform like he is?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> see, he's just afraid of what's going to happen when mexicans outnumber white people here
00:10 <spidey> texas was once part of mexico though
00:10 <GodTodd> was gonna say....we have too much mexican influx to be inbred
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> texas has some beautiful mexican women in it :)
00:11 <GodTodd> yepyep
00:11 * spidey really don't see why anyone would want to live in a state that's 3/4 desert
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> mexican women in New Mexico just don't compare, do they?
00:11 <GodTodd> hell no
00:11 * Lucifer_arma doesn't see how that 3/4 desert figure applies to texas
00:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: he's not pushing immigration per se
00:11 <Luke-Jr> he's pushing a North American Union government
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, here comes Luke-Jr to redefine every word in the english language until I tell him he's right
00:12 <spidey> lol
00:12 <Luke-Jr> making the U.S., Mexico, and Canada a single country
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> look, as long as we get to move the capitol of Texas to Mexico City, I'll do whatever he wants
00:12 <[NP]Tangent> mexico ftw!
00:12 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> I vote move the capitol of texas
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> that way the us doesn't have to deal with it anymore
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> :P
00:13 <spidey> hahahaha
00:13 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:13 <Luke-Jr> I think you missed the point
00:13 <Luke-Jr> there wouldn't be a "U.S." anymore
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> I vote secession, conquerin Mexico, and then humbling the US
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> I vote that colorado takes over the world
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> man, if Texas seceded, the rest of hte us would plunge into a depression
00:13 <Luke-Jr> you know, the Confederates were in the right
00:13 <[NP]Tangent> once we get rid of the idiot politicians here
00:14 <Luke-Jr> if states could secede at will, the federal gov't wouldn't be so corrupt, likely
00:14 <GodTodd> sam houston once said, Texas could survive without the US, but the US wouldn't make it without Texas. or something like that
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, see, the civil war is just like the napster court case
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> if they hadn't picked the fight they did pick over the issues at stake, they would have been in the right
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> but since they picked the fight they picked, they were in the wrong
00:15 <Luke-Jr> no, you're missing the part where the winner rewrites the history of the conflict
00:15 <Luke-Jr> to make it look like the winner was right
00:15 <Luke-Jr> slavery wasn't that big an issue especially right before the end
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> deciding that states should be self-deterministic on the basis of slavery in a so-called free nation is just the wrong fight to have over state's rights
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> the issue was state's rights, but slavery was the catalyst
00:16 <Luke-Jr> slavery was on its way out, without bloodshed
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> if they had seceded over the trade tariff, then they would have been in the right, undoubtedly
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> just like if napster hadn't made money off the copyright infringement...
00:16 <Luke-Jr> slavery was only brought out near the end by the Federal gov't to justify themselves
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> sure it didn't have to do with the mainline republican platform being to ban slavery, and the election of a republican president?
00:17 <Luke-Jr> it wasn't what the war was started or fought over
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> why should we wait for the president to screw up to impeach him i say we follow the presidents example and make a pre emptive strike
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, he might start talking sense and invade mexico, shut up
00:17 <Luke-Jr> he'll just make a joint government with Mexico
00:18 <GodTodd> hell....we should have taken mexico a long ass time ago
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> he wouldn't know how to make a joint if you gave him a how-to guide
00:18 <Luke-Jr> heh
00:18 <Luke-Jr> well, both sides will 'gain'
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> man's a coke fiend. give him a mirror and a razor and we'll be in mexico tomorrow
00:18 <GodTodd> nah...for a 'joint' government we need clinton again
00:18 <Luke-Jr> Mexico's gain will be their economy being merged with ours
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> our gain will be the beautiful mexican women :)
00:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: tell that to your wife
00:19 <spidey> hahahaha
00:19 <GodTodd> with all their oil that economic merger would be our gain as well
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> my wife knows damn well I have a sweet spot for mexican women :)
00:19 * Luke-Jr hopes she slaps you when you lust after them
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, she usually takes advantage of me being horny to get what she wants from me
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> which is another situation where we both gain )
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> :)
00:20 * [NP]Tangent turns this conversation around
00:20 <[NP]Tangent> poopstick!
00:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:20 <spidey> heh
00:20 <Your_mom_arma> :/
00:20 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:20 <GodTodd> jealousy is a sign of insecurity
00:20 <Luke-Jr> X-Files movie was pretty good
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> down with...what's his name? Valenti? vicente? That's it. Down with Vicente!
00:21 <GodTodd> fucking ants
00:21 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: eww, don't do that
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how Luke-Jr can actually conceive of a penis small enough to fuck ants...
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's something beyond my experience...
00:21 <Luke-Jr> are you sure I'm not conceiving of the concept of large ants? ;)
00:22 <Luke-Jr> besides, GodTodd is the one trying it
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose if you covered your penis with honey and sat on an ant pile, you might be....ummm......OUCH
00:22 <GodTodd> sure...i'm having intercourse with ants....k
00:22 <GodTodd> that would hurt a bit, luci
00:22 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:22 <Luke-Jr> just for the record
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> dont' use vaseline, use ky jelly. The vaseline clogs their poor pores
00:23 <Luke-Jr> this convo is why I don't read my backlog :)
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> I read my backlog...
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> skim it anyway
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> and only what's i the buffer at present, it's somehwat limited actually
00:24 <Luke-Jr> my buffer is very limited
00:24 <Luke-Jr> I do keep logs, however
00:24 <Luke-Jr> I have 5 PgUps here
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, armabot keeps good logs, but I don't go through those
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> I have 1000KB in my irc client
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> I usually only read armabot's logs after I've ignored Luke-Jr and it looks like he's having a semi-important conversation
00:26 <GodTodd> so....once a month? ;)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> give or take :)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> the limiting factor is the frequency at which it looks like he's having a semi-important conversation
00:26 <Luke-Jr> scrollback lines; 250 here
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00:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5066538.stm <--- time to put Star Trek IV on heavy rotation
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00:33 <Your_mom_arma> save the whales collect the whole set
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Conservative groups, including the influential Family Research Council (FRC), have voiced concerns that immunising young girls against the virus that most regularly causes cervical cancer, Human Papilloma- virus, may lead to sexual promiscuity."
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Here, take this immunization to prevent cancer, but don't be a slut!"
01:11 <GodTodd> maybe they think they'll get used to getting poked?
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> i thought hpv was an std
01:13 <spidey> that's hiv
01:13 <spidey> man
01:14 <spidey> when i take a shower i always end up smelling like fruit
01:14 <GodTodd> 30 or so of the 100 strains are stds
01:14 <GodTodd> not all of them
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> not really important, as far as I'm concerned
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> protecting someone against the dangers of sex isn't any different than having them wear a seatbelt, or a helmet on a motorcycle
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> nor is it any different from having health inspectors go through the restaurant to make sure they're not feeding people to people
01:33 <Your_mom_arma> im sure some human meat has made it into the system
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> cannibalism cures obesity
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01:44 <spidey> this sucks :/
01:48 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: awake?
01:49 <z-man> A, nvm, found your tag
01:49 <z-man> Yes, it's correct
01:51 <spidey> z-man, lucifer said he was leaving the internet and never coming back,haven't seen him since
01:52 * z-man thinks that is not very funny
01:52 <z-man> :)
01:52 <spidey> :p
01:52 * spidey is just bored since nemo and mom left fortress :(
01:52 <guru3> tough i guess
01:52 <guru3> i'm stuck at work
01:52 <spidey> best few matches on that server in a long ass time
01:53 <spidey> believe it or not,the server was actually moron free apart from me xD
01:53 <spidey> but i'm special so i don't count :p
01:53 * spidey pokes guru
01:54 <spidey> "warning! burn4free freezes if you try to load 2.4 gigs of audio at one tim"
01:54 <guru3> lol
01:56 * spidey is burning fortress music cause i fucked something up now when i use this adapter thingy so i can play music on my stereo it sounds like shit
01:56 <spidey> :(
01:59 <spidey> remind me never to rip music from a scratched cd
01:59 <spidey> now i've got mp3 files with half of one song and alf of the other
02:00 <guru3> haha
02:02 * spidey likes that his stereo plays music burnt in data format
02:02 <spidey> it saves alot of cds seeing as i can fit 700mb of music instead of only 80 minutes
02:09 <spidey> woot 68 songs burnt and playing now i'ma go pwn fortress
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeh, I'm still beating around z-man
02:11 <spidey> lies
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeh, I'm still beating around, z-man <--- better?
02:15 <spidey> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
02:15 <spidey> fucking keyboard
02:17 <z-man> I don't know :) I updated my trunk test release to the revision you gave and testing with that.
02:17 <z-man> I haven't updated the build scripts to Joda's rearrangements, so I don't know what will happen.
02:21 <z-man> Ah, of course, armagetronad/win32 isn't included in the tarball. And it's gone in the old location. So the zip source doesn't contain it either.
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, if you'd rather move it to a branch maybe that's what I should have done in the first place
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> so in the future, should I be copying the whole trunk directory, or just get specific subdirectories from the trunk?
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02:47 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: how do you talk someone out of making a bad website design decision?
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how much they're paying me :)
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's the bad website design decision?
02:48 <guru3> putting the additional help information before they need the help
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> additional help = contact information?
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> email, tech support, phone number, sales support, whatever?
02:49 <guru3> no like if you have a bunch of options on a page
02:49 <guru3> and what they are may not be clear
02:50 <guru3> info on what those options ar
02:50 <guru3> e
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's the guideline for all webpage design. :) You probably know it already...
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> most readers only scan headings and stop to read when something looks interesting. This is doubly true for help pages.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> So naturally you want the headings to reflect the content, and the reader will stop when he sees the one that looks like it'll be most helpful.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> make sense? (and you alredy knew it, I hope?)
02:51 <guru3> the page isn't big enough for headings
02:51 <guru3> i mean
02:51 <guru3> how the hell do you have headings on a damn calender
02:51 <guru3> other than
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, calendar
02:51 <guru3> "Monday"
02:51 <guru3> "Tuesday"
02:51 <guru3> with links right on 'em
02:52 <guru3> is it just me or is putting before that "Click on the name of the day for more info."
02:52 <guru3> pretty stupid
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> <h1>Monday</h1><h2>This happens on Monday</h2><p>Go here for additional help</p>
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, never ever put text that tells people where to click
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> give users some credit for intelligence, man :)
02:52 <guru3> i would like to
02:52 <guru3> but my employer doesn't
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> make all links *look* like links, and you never have to say anything so stupid as "click on the day to see more info"
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's insulting, it really is.
02:53 <guru3> go figure
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> who's the target audience? Is it just random web users, or is it people who already have a relationship with your employer?
02:53 <guru3> target audience is study participants
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> so they already have a relationship with you guys?
02:54 <guru3> i'm not really sure
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> as in, they've already talked to you, given names and stuff, and you know who they are?
02:54 <guru3> theoretically
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> the argument I'd make would be based on building a user interface the users are already familiar with so they don't ahve to waste time trying to figure out what I want them to do
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> web pages are user interface! amazing how few people understand that.
02:55 <guru3> the catch is
02:55 <guru3> i suck at UIs
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> So the same reason you always put the File menu as the first on the left, you want links to look like links so people don't have to figure out where to click
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're good enough to know you shouldn't have to put instructions telling people to click on links :)
02:56 <guru3> but i can't convince my mom :/
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, good UI design = build a user interface the user already knows how to use using industry standard techniques
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> bad UI design = build some special user interface people have to learn how to use
02:56 <guru3> i don't think they're a industry standard interface for online calendars
02:57 <guru3> they're = there is
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> To decide when to do the latter, the basic question you have to ask is "Is the purpose of this page intrinsically linked to the user interface?"
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> or
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> "Is the user interface just something they have to use, but the purpose of the page is something else?"
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you were building a webpage to test a new javascript api for using webpages, then you want users to have to learn it
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> industry standard techniques is a nice little catchphrase you throw in that basically says "I know what I'm talking about"
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> Some googling will likely turn up resources that will support your case if you need it, but common sense should work fine on its own. :)
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> I use the car analogy a lot for UI arguments.
02:58 <guru3> ok
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> When I buy a car from your company, do I need a sign on the dashboard that says "Insert key to start car"?
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, because I rleady know what an ignition switch and an ignition key is!
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't be in your car in the first place if I didn't know that, right?
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> same thing here. If they didn't already know what links are, they wouldn't be on that page.
02:59 <guru3> that is clever
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> theoretically, maybe you're studying people that have never used a computer before, I don't know.
03:00 <guru3> but my main point is
03:00 <guru3> help before you need it
03:00 <guru3> is a bad idea
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's condescending at best
03:00 <guru3> but as a footnote
03:00 <guru3> it's ok right?
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> now, if the company's general attitude is condescending, then it's ok
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like footnotes mostly because people don't read them
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> however :)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> if that's the best compromise you can reach, then that's fine :)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> and if there's a general help page for all site help, then that's a good place for it (the user manual in the car analogy)
03:02 <guru3> hmm
03:02 <guru3> ok
03:02 <guru3> thanks
03:02 * Lucifer_arma notes that every car user manual he's read explained the different positions for hte igition key
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> anytime :)
03:02 * Lucifer_arma hopes it helps
03:04 <guru3> yese thankyou
03:04 * guru3 is now trying to figure out how to do folders in gmail
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04:38 <Luke-Jr> guru3: I think Google tries to discourage that ;)
04:39 <guru3> i can't just fill up the inbox :(
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04:41 <Luke-Jr> I don't like webmail
04:41 <Luke-Jr> so gmail's not an option for me ;)
04:43 <Luke-Jr> I would suggest just setting up your own mail server and such =p
05:12 <guru3> bah
05:12 <guru3> i'm out of anime now :(
05:45 <Luke-Jr> download TC
05:45 <Luke-Jr> or SEL
05:45 <guru3> TC?
05:45 <guru3> SEL?
05:45 <Luke-Jr> or Ranma
05:45 <Luke-Jr> Tsubasa Chronicle
05:45 <guru3> got TC
05:45 <Luke-Jr> Serial Experiments Lain
05:45 <guru3> no new eps in 2 weeks
05:45 <Luke-Jr> no new eps in 2 weeks?
05:46 <guru3> not from le/db
05:46 <Luke-Jr> ?
05:46 <guru3> live-evil/dattebayo
05:46 <guru3> ppl that have been translating them...
05:46 <Luke-Jr> I thought it was just starting again soon
05:46 <guru3> season 2 already started
05:46 <Luke-Jr> has been no new eps for months for me
05:46 <Luke-Jr> I'm on like ep 19
05:46 <Luke-Jr> or something
05:47 <guru3> it's @ 31 now
05:47 <Luke-Jr> taking my time and stuff
05:47 <Luke-Jr> seen SEL or Ranma?
05:47 <guru3> no
05:47 <Luke-Jr> Ranma will last a good 4 years or so
05:47 <guru3> only if it's possible to get the episodews
05:47 <Luke-Jr> was months ago
05:47 <Luke-Jr> I hope it still is
05:48 <Luke-Jr> I don't think I got em all
05:48 <Luke-Jr> at least not in the DVD quality
05:48 <guru3> heh
05:48 <Luke-Jr> tho the DVD quality has dubbie titles on it
05:49 <Luke-Jr> BSSM is also fairly long, if you haven't seen it
05:49 <Luke-Jr> CCS is 90 eps
05:49 <guru3> ranma looks... interesting
05:49 <Luke-Jr> hehe
05:49 <Luke-Jr> he turns female when in cold water and male when hot
05:49 <guru3> doubt i'll be able to gather the eps :/
05:50 <guru3> cause you know
05:50 <guru3> airing in 1989...
05:50 <Luke-Jr> heh
05:50 <guru3> what's bssm and ccs?
05:51 <Luke-Jr> Bishoujosenshi Sailormoon
05:51 <Luke-Jr> Card Captor Sakura
05:51 <guru3> ok
05:51 <guru3> that last one sounds familiar...
05:52 <Luke-Jr> CCS was probably the source of most TC chars
05:52 <guru3> and it's also licensed in the us :/
05:55 <Luke-Jr> who cares
05:55 <guru3> just makes it hard to find
05:57 <Luke-Jr> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?h=5DE5CAD573574EC2B0838EDB8A32408B&query=ranma&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
05:57 <Luke-Jr> or you could watch X-Files
05:57 <guru3> ok
05:57 <Luke-Jr> it's got 9 seasons + 1
05:57 <guru3> so there are torrents for ranma
05:58 <Luke-Jr> btw, isn't your birthday over yet
05:58 <guru3> yeah
05:58 * Luke-Jr glances at the topic
05:58 <guru3> well actually
05:58 <guru3> as i haven't gotten any real gifts yet
05:58 <guru3> no
05:58 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:59 <Luke-Jr> I spent my birthday at the ER
05:59 <guru3> ><
05:59 <guru3> how many times have we told you not to stick stuff up your nose :P
05:59 <Luke-Jr> no no
05:59 <Luke-Jr> burn #2
06:00 <Luke-Jr> stage 2 burn?
06:00 <Luke-Jr> something like that
06:00 <guru3> ouch
06:00 <Luke-Jr> on a level from 1 to 3, 3 being permenant damage, it's 2 =p
06:00 <guru3> stop sticking fireworks up your nose
06:00 <Luke-Jr> sunburn
06:00 <guru3> stop sticking the sun up your nose then
06:00 <Luke-Jr> my daughter
06:01 <guru3> well tell your daughter to stop sticking the sun up your nose then
06:01 <Luke-Jr> no, she had the burn not me
06:01 <guru3> well your daugther to stop sticking the sun up _her_ nose then ;)
06:02 <Luke-Jr> ok, just don't tell her not to stick it in her mouth
06:03 <guru3> ><
06:05 <Luke-Jr> I want to play AR games
06:05 <Luke-Jr> err, just not AR Arma
06:05 <Luke-Jr> that might be annoying
06:25 <guru3> started dl of ranma & ccs
06:26 <guru3> i'm gonna need a new hd if this keeps up :/
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes z-man*
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
07:46 <guru3> it's very difficult to make your wheeled-spinny chair go where you want it to when you kick off from the wall :/
07:53 <wrtlprnft> where'd you go?
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07:53 <wrtlprnft> down the stairs? :P
07:53 <guru3> no
07:53 <guru3> i'm trying to aim for another chair
07:53 <guru3> and use it as a break
07:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm, have fun, i have to go
07:55 <guru3> hf
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07:57 <newnick> hi
07:57 <guru3> lo'
07:58 <newnick> its not tht funny
07:58 <guru3> lo as in
07:58 <guru3> short for hello
07:58 <newnick> oh lol
07:58 <newnick> i thought u ment lol
07:58 <guru3> no
07:58 <guru3> if i meant lol
07:58 <newnick> but a typo
07:58 <guru3> i woulda typed lol
07:58 <newnick> ok
07:58 <guru3> kinda hard to mistype lol
07:58 <guru3> keys are right next to each other
07:59 <newnick> but i sumtimes catch a key when i hit enter
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07:59 <guru3> wonder if he caught alt and f4 when pressing enter?
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08:20 <wrtlprnft> guru3: sometimes instead of lol i say kik ;)
08:22 <guru3> heh
08:22 <guru3> that's an easy typo
08:24 <wrtlprnft> but lo' requires some mistyping skills even I don't have
08:24 <guru3> same here
08:24 <wrtlprnft> especially on a german keyboard since you have to press shift+# to get '
08:25 <guru3> lol
08:26 <wrtlprnft> you sure you mean lol by this and not lo' or kik? ;)
08:26 <guru3> Oo
08:27 <wrtlprnft> btw i do see a way to mistype lol as lo' on an english keyboard if i look at it. You can forget the 2nd l (yust don't hit it hard enough) and then miss your return key as well, hitting both ' and return
08:27 <wrtlprnft> lo'
08:27 <guru3> yeah
08:27 <guru3> but i don't
08:28 <guru3> tbh the ' should really come first
08:28 <guru3> 'lo
08:28 <guru3> but oh well
08:28 * wrtlprnft hasn't seen many typos from guru3, true
08:28 <wrtlprnft> s/yust/just O_o
08:28 <wrtlprnft> one of my brain lag- typos
08:29 <guru3> ><
08:29 <guru3> i can't think of any real work to do
08:29 <guru3> so i'm just sitting here reading wdb
08:29 <guru3> *qdb
08:29 <wrtlprnft> make a formula parser for arma? ;)
08:29 <guru3> no
08:30 <guru3> no idea how to do that in c++
08:30 * wrtlprnft has no idea how how he would start that in any language
08:30 <wrtlprnft> except PHP and friends, just be evil and use eval :D
08:30 <guru3> hmm well
08:30 <guru3> first thing
08:30 <guru3> would be to setup a syntax system
08:31 <guru3> so parsing for * / + - ()
08:31 <wrtlprnft> and */ before -+
08:31 <guru3> then you isolate the variables and constants
08:32 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't for that I'd know how to do it, somehow
08:32 <guru3> and apply each operator in a loop
08:32 <guru3> but i don't know enough string manipulation in c++ to do it
08:32 <wrtlprnft> i do, that's no real problem
08:33 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'll just have to find some undisturbed time to do it :(
08:33 <wrtlprnft> probably on my flight home
08:33 <guru3> ><
08:43 <guru3> brb
08:45 <guru3> back
08:45 <guru3> and god am i bored
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09:00 <madmax|pt> hello
09:01 <guru3> lo
09:01 <guru3> (NOT a typo of lol)
09:01 <guru3> (as the last guy that said hello expected)
09:01 <madmax|pt> lol
09:01 <guru3> (it's an abreiviated form of helLO)
09:01 <madmax|pt> actually it isnt
09:01 <madmax|pt> Definitions of lo on the Web:
09:01 <madmax|pt> Lo is a town in Lo-Reninge, a part of Belgium.
09:01 <madmax|pt> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo
09:02 <guru3> heh
09:02 <guru3> it's little known
09:02 <guru3> i think i'm the only one that uses it
09:02 <madmax|pt> i like this one too:
09:02 <madmax|pt> A passive countermeasure (also known in some cultures as STEALTH). In achieving LO, warships attempt to make their skins as non- reflective as possible across the EM spectrum, and to prevent any excess heat from being radiated from the ship.
09:02 <madmax|pt> www.saveandromeda.com/allsystems/engineering/grdglosko.htm
09:03 <guru3> who comes up with this crap ><
09:03 <madmax|pt> "define:"
09:03 <guru3> (isn't it like a moon of saturn too or something?)
09:03 <madmax|pt> its a similar name i guess
09:04 <madmax|pt> ah, its "io"
09:04 <guru3> knew it sounded familiar
09:04 <madmax|pt> and its jupiter's moon btw
09:05 <guru3> well i'm no astrologist :)
09:05 <madmax|pt> astronomer :P
09:05 <guru3> see?
09:05 <madmax|pt> hehe
09:07 <guru3> going home
09:07 <guru3> bbl
09:10 <madmax|pt> cya
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10:00 * spidey yawns
10:01 <madmax|pt> (...)
10:12 <guru3> back
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10:33 <cusco> what about walls from the future????
10:33 <cusco> http://www.linuxkungfu.org/images/fun/geek/owned.jpg
10:40 <madmax|pt> haha
10:40 <madmax|pt> :D
10:40 <madmax|pt> nice
10:42 <Vanhayes> spidey u playing fortress?
10:42 <cusco> I just upgraded to xorg7 and lost dri
10:43 <cusco> :(
10:43 <spidey> maybe
10:43 <cusco> if I play with the lowest resolution.. its still slow :(
10:43 <Vanhayes> geyser?
10:43 <spidey> back?
10:43 <Vanhayes> lol
10:43 <spidey> :p
10:43 <cusco> resolution, and lowest detail settings
10:44 <madmax|pt> can i play fortress too dad?
10:45 <Vanhayes> I've noticed alot less ws and Good jobs, for moves that would have gotten at least a wd if my name was Vanhayes
10:45 <madmax|pt> lol
10:45 <MaZuffeR> yep Vanhayes, i notice that too when i'm using a fake name
10:46 <madmax|pt> people wonder: "who's that? hmm... a noob better than me?"
10:46 <Vanhayes> kinda sucks for noobs
10:46 <Vanhayes> lol
10:46 <spidey> really?
10:46 <spidey> i seem to get them stll
10:46 <Vanhayes> as many tho?
10:47 <spidey> dunno
10:47 <spidey> then again people always know who i am somehow :/
10:47 <spidey> mostly cause of lucifer >.>
10:47 <Vanhayes> and u dont change your colour
10:47 <spidey> heh
10:48 <madmax|pt> Using fake names is a underground culture... ooooh
10:48 <spidey> Dr.Pwn man!
10:48 <spidey> i've used fake names since day 3
10:48 <spidey> xD
10:48 <spidey> might have been day 4,but who's keeping track
10:55 <Vanhayes> max are u playing fortress too?
11:01 <madmax|pt> no
11:02 <Vanhayes> ok just wondering
11:02 <madmax|pt> but make sure you say those "wd's"
11:02 <madmax|pt> :D
11:02 <Vanhayes> lol
11:09 <Vanhayes> #eliza How are you today?
11:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
11:12 <Vanhayes> #eliza I think you are in a bad mood.
11:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say you think i are in a bad mood?
11:12 <spidey> lmao
11:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza because u still have that attitude
11:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Does it bother you that i ask you that?
11:13 <Vanhayes> #eliza Ask me what?
11:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
11:14 <Vanhayes> #eliza I think you should know what you asked me.
11:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
11:17 <Vanhayes> #eliza Because you have to know what you ask somone
11:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Is it because i have to know what i ask somone that you came to me?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza you make no sense
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say i make no sense?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza bitch
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
11:21 <Vanhayes> #eliza you are a bitch
11:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Please, watch your tongue!
11:21 <Vanhayes> lol
11:24 <madmax|pt> Van, you know that personal attacks are bad right?
11:24 <Vanhayes> ?
11:24 <madmax|pt> lol
11:24 <madmax|pt> "you are a bitch"!?
11:24 <Vanhayes> that thing always pisses me off
11:24 <madmax|pt> hum?
11:24 <Vanhayes> #eliza
11:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
11:25 <Vanhayes> that thing
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12:04 <Joni> hi guys
12:04 <Joni> could i ask you all a question
12:04 <Joni> how do i get the record to work?
12:04 <Joni> so i can record a match
12:08 <Vanhayes> are you using windows?
12:08 <Joni> yes
12:08 <Vanhayes> go into your start menu
12:09 <Vanhayes> under armagetron advanced there is armagetron advenced record
12:09 <Joni> ok
12:09 <Joni> got it
12:09 <Joni> thnx
12:09 <Vanhayes> np
12:23 <Vanhayes> #weather Tampa
12:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Tampa, FL is 73�F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 90%. Wind: E at 6 mph (10 km/h).
12:25 <Joni> #weather Yorkshire
12:25 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Yorkshire".
12:25 <Joni> shockin
12:26 <Joni> #weather England
12:26 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
12:26 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "England".
12:26 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM WEST; Scattered Clouds. High:73 � F. / 23 � C.; Clear. Low:64 � F. / 18 � C.; Clear. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Clear. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Overcast. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.;
12:26 <madmax|pt> nice
12:26 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
12:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 68?F / 20?C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ADT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of showers late this afternoon. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming southwest 20 this afternoon. High 21. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance (1 more message)
12:26 <Vanhayes> #more
12:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: of showers this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Tuesday - Increasing cloudiness. Showers or thundershowers beginning in the afternoon. Amount 5 mm except 10 mm or more possible in thundershowers. High 22.;
12:26 <Joni> #weather Sheffield
12:26 <armabot> Joni: The current temperature in Sheffield, AL is 82�F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 69%. Wind: NE at 8 mph (13 km/h).
12:27 <Joni> #weather Barnsley
12:27 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Barnsley".
12:27 <Joni> omg
12:27 <Vanhayes> spelt it right?
12:28 <Joni> yes
12:28 <Joni> thats where i live
12:28 <Joni> #weather South Yorkshire
12:28 <armabot> Joni: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "South Yorkshire".
12:29 <Joni> it doesnt like me
12:29 <spidey> #weather Paris,TN
12:29 <armabot> spidey: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <spidey> bastard
12:29 <joda_bot> #weather Paderborn,Germany
12:29 <spidey> #weather 38242
12:29 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <armabot> spidey: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:29 <spidey> #cnn 38242
12:29 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 72�F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: NE at 9 mph (14 km/h).
12:29 <spidey> BEOTCH
12:31 <GodTodd> #weather Plano,TX
12:32 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:32 <GodTodd> blah
12:32 <GodTodd> #weather dallas
12:32 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Dallas, TX is 89�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 40%. Wind: S at 10 mph (16 km/h).
12:33 <GodTodd> #list
12:33 <armabot> GodTodd: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
12:34 <MaZuffeR> #weather Turku
12:34 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:35 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton
12:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton, AR is 89�F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Wind: N at 6 mph (10 km/h).
12:35 <Vanhayes> no
12:35 <GodTodd> #weather plano
12:35 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton, NB
12:35 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Plano, IL is 68�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 46%. Wind: N at 8 mph (13 km/h).
12:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Hampton, NB".
12:36 <spidey> #weather paris
12:36 <armabot> spidey: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 7:30 PM CEST; Clear. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Clear. Low:62 � F. / 17 � C.; Scattered Clouds. High:78 � F. / 26 � C.; Clear. Low:60 � F. / 16 � C.; Clear. High:86 � F. / 30 � C.; Clear. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.;
12:36 <MaZuffeR> #weather Helsinki
12:36 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:36 <spidey> lol
12:36 <MaZuffeR> #weather Finland
12:36 <Vanhayes> it has been raining here fore 2 weeks now
12:36 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Finland".
12:36 <GodTodd> #weather Fuck
12:36 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
12:36 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Fuck".
12:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 68?F / 20?C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ADT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of showers late this afternoon. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming southwest 20 this afternoon. High 21. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance (1 more message)
12:37 <Vanhayes> #more
12:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: of showers this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Tuesday - Increasing cloudiness. Showers or thundershowers beginning in the afternoon. Amount 5 mm except 10 mm or more possible in thundershowers. High 22.;
12:37 <GodTodd> i want rain
12:37 <GodTodd> :(
12:37 <spidey> ew
12:37 <Vanhayes> u can have mine
12:37 <spidey> lol
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12:42 <GodTodd> #help weather
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
12:42 <GodTodd> #weather Plano, Texas
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:42 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
12:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:43 <GodTodd> no wonder we americans hate soccer....we suck heh
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12:46 <madmax|pt> you do
12:46 <madmax|pt> :P
12:51 <joda_bot> mkzelda: are you there ?
12:53 <joda_bot> mkzelda: Can you tell me the version you used to record your recording on your website ?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh, madmax|pt, using fake names is the new trend :)
12:55 * Lucifer_arma was Gaymosexual the other night, if you hadn't figured that out
12:55 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191121.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
12:55 <joda_bot> mkzelda: guess the date and comment cleared it up ... is from an early 2005 cvs build
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Austin
12:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Temperature: 52?F / 11?C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM CDT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. High 24. UV index 7 or high.; Tonight - A few clouds. Low 9.; Tuesday - Sunny. High 24.;
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> That can't be austin tx
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Austin, TX
12:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
12:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 90�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 33%. Wind: ENE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
12:58 <wrtlprnft> there's an austin, mb >P
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> mb?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> manitoba?
12:58 <wrtlprnft> yep
12:58 <wrtlprnft> some little village with <100 people in it
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
12:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Could not find weather information.
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Round Rock
12:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 90�F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 33%. Wind: ENE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> why do you guys get so much information and I don't? :(
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, why can't that tropical storm come just a little farther west?
13:00 * Lucifer_arma notes the rainy season in Texas is over
13:02 <wrtlprnft> omg i broke BF fortress :(
13:03 <wrtlprnft> and i can't fix it right now
13:05 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: what did you do ?
13:05 <madmax|pt> [18:55] Lucifer_arma heh, madmax|pt, using fake names is the new trend :)
13:05 <madmax|pt> [18:55] * Lucifer_arma was Gaymosexual the other night, if you hadn't figured that out
13:05 <madmax|pt> well, i guess you were there
13:05 <madmax|pt> didnt know who was it though
13:05 <madmax|pt> :D
13:06 <madmax|pt> those "will they kick me tests"....
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the name was a whim. I was going to go in as George Bush :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: looks like my different CYCLE_DELAY settings stuff screwed everything up
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> gaymosexual is a slur a guy I used to work with used to use, and the gay guy that worked there (and the rest of us) liked it so much we adopted it in place of homosexual
13:10 * wrtlprnft should have thested the server more throuroughly
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> but somewhere around a year ago I went in as Homosexual and got the same response
13:10 <madmax|pt> lol
13:10 <wrtlprnft> i just checked if the hybrid server worked fine and if the dedicated one compiled...
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, far as I know, there are people in the game who actually think I'm gay, haha
13:12 <spidey> man
13:12 <spidey> all the retards follow me
13:13 <spidey> WHY!?!?!?
13:13 <spidey> now they're in wild fortress :(
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> birds of a feather?
13:13 <spidey> hahahahahah
13:13 <spidey> i got kick spammed
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I'm finally starting to see why calculus is needed to launch spaceships
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13:21 -!- skittlez is now known as xzl_shaggy
13:22 <xzl_shaggy> hey I need help!!
13:23 <spidey> ?
13:23 <xzl_shaggy> asked for help on forums bout my server, they told me to come here when it'sonline to let one of you see if it's showing up on master list thing or whatever
13:24 <spidey> whats the name?
13:24 <xzl_shaggy> ~"XzL.Dogfighting Server
13:24 <spidey> when is that anyways?
13:24 <xzl_shaggy> the tourny?
13:24 <spidey> yea
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> the date will be posted on Friday, that's when the cut off for signingup is
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> after we figure out how many teams are playing
13:25 <spidey> don't see it,only see the xzl server
13:25 <spidey> you do TALK_TO_MASTER 1 ?
13:25 <xzl_shaggy> yes
13:26 <spidey> got a router or firewall?
13:26 <xzl_shaggy> firewall, got the port opened on my firewall
13:26 <spidey> not there :/
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> any idea how I can fix that?
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> cause ppl keep telling me to turn off my firewall, which I won't do that... and then ppl are telling me to open the port onmy firewall and that's what I did
13:27 <spidey> what firewall you got? and is i on windows?
13:27 <xzl_shaggy> I'm not using a router, my cable modem is hooked directly into the back of my PC
13:28 <xzl_shaggy> yesit's on windows, and it's just the windows firewall
13:28 <spidey> lol
13:28 <spidey> the windows firewall won't block it anyways
13:28 <spidey> i've got it on but the servers i run people can still connect to without opening the port
13:29 <xzl_shaggy> well I got the ports turned on, and I don't have any other firewall
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, wrtlprnft ?
13:29 <spidey> in the console do talk_to_master 1 again
13:30 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:30 <xzl_shaggy> done
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> you have to restart the server when you change that setting because the talk to master is only done the one time when it starts
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you hve to change it in config files, obviously, because the console doesn't persist across sessions
13:31 <spidey> um
13:31 <spidey> i never did
13:31 <xzl_shaggy> in the config files the talk_to_master is set to 1
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you restart the server, you can just put "TALK_TO_MASTER" in the console and it'll tell you the current value of it
13:31 <spidey> i always did it in the console
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird, spidey, I never saw it work
13:31 <spidey> i've never add'd it in the config files
13:31 <spidey> :p
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> [0] TALK_TO_MASTER is currently set to 1.
13:32 <spidey> yuo got icmp disabled?
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> icmp?
13:32 <spidey> pings....
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> I dunno, how I find that out
13:32 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:32 <spidey> then you don't
13:32 <spidey> heh
13:33 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:33 <spidey> it's a setting in the windows firewall
13:33 <spidey> what's the ip?
13:33 <spidey> and what port is the server using
13:33 <xzl_shaggy> 66.110.197.20
13:33 <xzl_shaggy> 4534
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> type SERVER_NAME in the console and tell us what you get
13:34 <spidey> doesn't matter
13:34 <spidey> his server isn't online
13:35 <spidey> restart it shaggy
13:35 <xzl_shaggy> how you restart it?j ust close consol and reopen it?
13:35 <spidey> yea
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> yep
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> mine says it's unreachable :)
13:36 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:36 <xzl_shaggy> restarted
13:36 <spidey> still not connecting
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> blah
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad-master.log:[2006/06/12 13:36:36] [2] Updated server: 66.110.197.20:4534
13:37 <spidey> umm
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> only other IP it could be
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> 10.85.71.192
13:37 <xzl_shaggy> is that one
13:37 <spidey> heh
13:37 <spidey> www.whatismyip.com
13:37 <spidey> also,does your modem have a built-in router?
13:37 <spidey> some do
13:38 <xzl_shaggy> I'm not sure, how can I check?
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> ServerBegin
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> connection 66.110.197.20
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> port 4534
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> method 0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> key 0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> transaction 107207
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> version 0 0
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> release pre_0.2.5
13:38 <spidey> pen a browser and try to goto http://192.168.1.100
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> url
13:38 <spidey> open*
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> scorebias 0
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> name 66.110.197.20:4534
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> tna 7
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> ServerEnd
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> no server name given, and look at the version
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> release line, that is
13:39 <xzl_shaggy> nope, won't let me go there
13:39 <spidey> it won't?
13:39 <spidey> you on cable?
13:39 <xzl_shaggy> yes
13:39 <spidey> ....
13:40 <spidey> that's the modem webserver
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> eh? no it's not
13:40 <spidey> is to!
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> 192.168.1.1
13:40 <spidey> or wait
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:40 <spidey> .100.1 ?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> everybody knows that :)
13:40 <spidey> not mine
13:40 <spidey> mine's 100.1
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> besides, his internal IP is different
13:40 <spidey> :p
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> 10.85.71.192 <--- different internal ip
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> better check the manual for your modem
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen dsl modems that had this problem, because they provide a nat router internally, so even though you might have like a linksys router plugged in, you still need to forward the port from the dsl modem to the router,
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> and then from the router to the server itself
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> and think about what it's going to do to player pings :)
13:41 <spidey> lol
13:42 <xzl_shaggy> http://192.168.100.1/
13:42 <xzl_shaggy> let me go there
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if the dsl modem has a nat router in it, you can just plug in a switch to share, you don't need the nat router like most people
13:42 <spidey> luci....
13:42 <spidey> he's on cablle
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> it let me go to that one! http://192.168.100.1/!!
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't make a lot of difference in what they might put in the damn things, does it?
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ooo im so lost
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ;/
13:43 <spidey> see luci it's 100.1 :p
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> fine
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> the last digit's still .1 :)
13:43 <spidey> hahaha
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> ok, how bout you two help me?
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> :p
13:43 <spidey> now shaggy
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> we're too busy arguing
13:43 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:44 <xzl_shaggy> i see that
13:44 <spidey> do you see alot of different links
13:44 <spidey> one saying virtual servers?
13:44 <xzl_shaggy> Status | Signal | Addresses | Configuration | Logs | Help
13:44 <spidey> or is it just a page discribing your modem
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> it might also say "applications". Mine does, anyway
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> Configuration?
13:44 <spidey> click configuration
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> Signal will be for wireless, I'll bet
13:44 <spidey> no :p
13:45 <spidey> it tells the -/+ db gain of the line
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Frequency Plan: North American Standard/HRC/IRC
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Upstream Channel ID: 4
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> Frequency (Hz): 621000000
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> DHCP Server Enabled
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> The SURFboard cable modem can be used as a gateway to the Internet by a maximum of 32 users on a Local Area Network (LAN). When the Cable Modem is disconnected from the Internet, users on the LAN can be dynamically assigned IP Addresses by the Cable Modem DHCP Server. These addresses are assigned from an address pool which begins with 192.168.100.11 and ends with 192.168.100.42. Statically assigned IP addresses for other devices on the LAN should be ch
13:45 <spidey> yup
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> then there's a button that says
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> reset all default
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> then one
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> that says
13:45 <xzl_shaggy> restart cable modem
13:46 <spidey> that's it?
13:46 <xzl_shaggy> yup lol
13:46 <spidey> was there any other links on the main page?
13:46 <xzl_shaggy> just those I gave you
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> what's the brand and model of the thing?
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> should be on the front of it.... :)
13:47 <spidey> it's a surfboard dude
13:47 <spidey> read what he posted :p
13:47 <madmax|pt> @Sumo there was a bug, when showing the poll voters stats it showed all values correct except for the "total voters" that said "-1"...
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> yeah
13:47 <xzl_shaggy> motorola surfboard
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> hhahaha
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=181 <--- got a model number?
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> says it supports port forwarding for that particular model
13:48 <spidey> but wait
13:49 <spidey> luci,shouldn't it still show on the list?
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> not if the master server can't ping it, and the master server can't ping it if the port's closed
13:49 <spidey> oh
13:49 <xzl_shaggy> ;/
13:50 <spidey> shaggy
13:50 <xzl_shaggy> ?
13:50 <spidey> look on the side of the modem
13:50 <xzl_shaggy> ok
13:50 <spidey> a silver label or something
13:50 <spidey> should tell the model number
13:51 <xzl_shaggy> SB5100
13:51 <spidey> it might also be on the bottum
13:51 <xzl_shaggy> ^^
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13:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://forum.portforward.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Knowledge;action=display;num=1139203841 <--- doesn't tell us we don't already know, but shaggy should read this page anyway
13:52 <spidey> does his modem have port forwarding?
13:52 * spidey can't click links to check
13:52 <GodTodd> didja do a netstat -a to check for the open port yet?
13:52 <spidey> no.....
13:52 <xzl_shaggy> wouldn't lemme open that last page
13:52 <spidey> but
13:53 <spidey> netstat wouldn't help
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> There is no firewall or router in the Motorola sb5100. It's just a modem and that's it. There is no ports to open up, or to forward. <--- from "http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/181659.html"
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> I don't believe that guy
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> possible it only let me into that page 'cause I came from google
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=h_view&model_id=179
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> ^^my model
13:55 <xzl_shaggy> brb
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=SB5100+port+forwarding&btnG=Search <-- my search results if you wanted them
13:58 -!- SuPeRTaRD-bbl is now known as SuPeRTaRD
13:59 <xzl_shaggy> so anyone know how to fix my problems or should Ijust gicve up?lol
13:59 * spidey is out of ideas
13:59 <spidey> what version is the server?
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see anything in the user manual to say you can port forward,
14:00 <xzl_shaggy> 2.8.1
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14:00 <Lucifer_arma> however the manual says you can use a switch or hub to hook up up to 63 computers to the network
14:00 <spidey> 63?
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> so you need to find out how to forward the port, period, from your cable modem, and I'm out of information, sorry
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> yep, 63
14:00 <spidey> who needs that many
14:01 <spidey> shaggy
14:01 * madmax|pt is away: Not Here.
14:01 <spidey> open tron and start a internet game
14:01 <spidey> you know at the top of the list where it says "host a game"
14:01 <xzl_shaggy> yes
14:01 <spidey> do that and tell me what name you used for it
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> ok
14:03 <spidey> hey luci
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> Dogfighting thinger
14:03 <xzl_shaggy> is the name
14:03 <spidey> you know what would be a good feature?
14:03 <spidey> uPnP support
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> uPnP?
14:03 <spidey> hehehe
14:03 * Lucifer_arma accepts patches
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have a uPnP router, afaik, so I can't test it
14:04 * spidey can't program :p
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> and, afaik, there isn't a uPnP api for linux, but I could be wrong
14:04 <spidey> my router supports upnp but i have it disabled
14:04 <xzl_shaggy> spidey, you get the name?
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> find me a uPnP api for Linux and I'll see what I can do, sometime
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> it would be very handy, I'm tired of answering this question :)
14:04 <spidey> yea
14:05 <spidey> it's something blocking the port
14:05 <spidey> i see your ip on the list but it's unreachable
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> shaggy: if we had uPnP support, and your modem supported it (I didn't see if it does or not), then this port forwarding thing would be automatic, afaik
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> master server knows bout it, I gave the entry from my master server's list :)
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> ah, i'll just give up on the server
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> thanks guys
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> so we have outgoing connectivity, what we don't have is incoming connectivity, which is why we're stuck with port forwarding
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, it looks like you got saddled with a crappy cable router :(
14:06 <spidey> heh
14:06 <xzl_shaggy> yah, can't expect much more from a local cable net company ;)
14:07 <spidey> you know
14:07 <spidey> you can't run anything that needs a incoming connect
14:07 <xzl_shaggy> brb
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> which includes openNap clients
14:07 <spidey> mhmm
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> not that I'd ever use such a program....
14:08 <spidey> heh
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> this robot vacuum is so cool. It sucks so much, and it does it all by itself
14:08 <spidey> hahaha
14:10 <spidey> gay
14:10 <spidey> i think my soldat server's getting DoS'd
14:11 <spidey> i think me or another admin pissed someone off because it was all running fine then all of the servers hypergamin hosts started lagging and the site loads slow :/
14:22 <spidey> this sucks
14:22 <spidey> one of my subs blew :/
14:24 <spidey> and now i overloaded the stereo :/
14:24 <guru3> Oo
14:26 * spidey trips guru
14:27 <madmax|pt> lol
14:28 * spidey is down to a 8' sony
14:28 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:26:54)
14:28 <spidey> my normal speakers put out more bass
14:28 <spidey> :/
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> my speakers have more bass than I cook on my grill
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, one of them's a converted speaker comprised of the cones from two guitar combo amps, and the other one is a complete combo amp
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:34 <spidey> i HAD
14:34 <spidey> a 12' and a 8' sub
14:34 <spidey> and 4 speakers
14:34 <spidey> i guess i can add a couple more speakers now :/
14:35 <spidey> hahaha
14:35 <spidey> someone just told me they drank flat water
14:35 <spidey> how does water go flat?
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> let it sit long enough and the minerals and crap that make it taste good sink to the bottom/float to the top?
14:36 * Lucifer_arma thinks he knows enough chemistry to know that doesn't actually happen
14:36 <spidey> heh
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> generally I consider water "flat" when it reaches room temperature, because "flat" means undrinkable
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> and water at room temperature is undrinkable unless you're going to die if you do't drink it
14:36 <spidey> to me water doesn't have a taste
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, water tastes like sweetened tea to me
14:37 <spidey> unless i drink this nasty ass over ironed water
14:37 <spidey> then it tastes like sulfer smells
14:38 <GodTodd> blah....what goes with sweet potatoes?
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> turkey?
14:39 <GodTodd> not candied ones....regular ones :P
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, that shit tastes like sewage
14:40 <GodTodd> i like them....just mashed up like regular potatoes
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> stop it, I'm hungry and trying to do math :)
14:41 <GodTodd> although spaghetti squash sounds good too....
14:41 <GodTodd> heh i'm trying to plan what to make for dinner :P
14:43 <GodTodd> maybe jambalaya....haven't had that in a while
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15:14 <z-man> joda_bot: here?
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> ack, how the hell am I supposed to figure out how much work is required to lift a bucket of leaky water?
15:15 <joda_bot> z-man: yes
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, a leaky bucket of water
15:15 <z-man> How is the .nsi installer stuff supposed to work now?
15:15 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: if you're wise just the weight of the bucket :-)
15:15 <joda_bot> z-man: ah, I did not make that decision
15:15 <joda_bot> but I guess they should go to build/win32 ?
15:15 <z-man> Umm, ok :)
15:15 <guru3> http://www.svenswmwette.com/
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> the bucket's not empty when I start lifting it...
15:16 <joda_bot> guru3: already know that one :-)
15:16 <z-man> So I should just fumble something for 0.3.0?
15:16 <guru3> heh
15:16 <joda_bot> z-man: hm, the files are still in the visual c build module right now
15:16 <joda_bot> z-man: If you prefer me to move the files, I can do it
15:17 <z-man> Right, and I suppose they should still work with minimal adaptions
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> what do you mean "how should it work"?
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> do you mean just "where does it get the files"?
15:17 <z-man> Well, I want to know which buttons I have to push to make a Windows build.
15:17 <joda_bot> z-man: are there any paths inside the installer, except the pointer to the dist build dir ?
15:18 <z-man> No, the installer, once copied into "dist", works only in the current directory
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh. If you have nsis installed, the way it's supposed to work is you just right-click on the .nsi file and say "compile with nsis"
15:18 <joda_bot> ah... in ArmagetronAd project, select target Release Win32
15:18 <joda_bot> and then build
15:18 <joda_bot> it should go down all projects and compile them
15:18 <z-man> I know those parts, thank you both :)
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok. So what changed then? Is it just the location of the built files that changed?
15:19 <joda_bot> afterwards the files are in armagetronad/buid/dist
15:19 <z-man> But currently, the nsis installer files are in dead parts of the project and probably a bit outdated.
15:19 <joda_bot> z-man: What was the question then, or was it a statement ?
15:19 <z-man> The question was: How am I supposed to handle the release?
15:19 <z-man> I can build the source tarball...
15:19 <z-man> the source zip...
15:20 <z-man> unzip the source zip in Windows...
15:20 <joda_bot> z-man: right, that's because I did not have time to learn about nsi ... but I'm going to
15:20 <z-man> build with makedist.bat and code::blocks...
15:20 <z-man> But then I have a build/dist directory and no installer :)
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm......
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure where the problem is, I guess
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> what has changed since the last windows release?
15:20 <z-man> Everything :)
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> is it just joda moving the build files around?
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> so the last windows release wasn't done with code::blocks at all?
15:21 <z-man> Well, actually, yes.
15:21 <z-man> It was.
15:21 <joda_bot> I've one minor change here, that might help ... I splitted makedist.bat into makedist.bat and update_version.bat (which autogenerates the version.h)
15:21 <joda_bot> I also have to update the wiki build docs ...
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then the only thing that should need to be changed is either the location of the nsi file or where code::blocks dumps the completed files
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> where does code::blocks put stuff? I know where visualC does...
15:21 * Lucifer_arma needs to get out of his weirdCamelCase thing
15:22 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Is stuff the release files ?
15:22 <z-man> Code::blocks build goes into armagetronad/build/dist
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> the stuff that goes into the installer
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> and after you build successfully, is it filled with files?
15:22 <joda_bot> z-man: got it :-)
15:22 <z-man> Joda: actually, do you have the build module checked out into armagetronad/build or is it an empty directory for you?
15:23 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: after you run makedist.bat most files are there, once you build the exe - running makedist.bat again adds library dlls (which had to be compiled)
15:23 * Lucifer_arma wistfully wishes we had the cross-compiler stuff working for this
15:23 <z-man> (before you run the build and makedist.bat)
15:23 <joda_bot> z-man: I exspect it to be empty
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> so you run makedist.bat twice then
15:23 <z-man> ok, good :)
15:23 <joda_bot> z-man: perhaps we should rename it ?
15:23 <z-man> Naa, it's fine
15:23 <joda_bot> I just wanted to keep it inside the project dir
15:23 <z-man> because the build module belongs one level further up.
15:24 <joda_bot> I know
15:24 <joda_bot> But I'll consider renaming it, because it might be confusing with 3 build directories :-)
15:24 <joda_bot> perhaps build-tron, build, build-libs ?
15:25 <z-man> Soooo, I think we should just put the .nsi stuff inside armagetronad/win32 and have makedist.bat copy it to build/dist.
15:25 <joda_bot> where build is the svn module ?
15:25 <z-man> build is fine for me.
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I was taking it for granted you already did that
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15:25 <z-man> I had expected it, too :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> the .nsi file should be handled that way if it isn't already, so we can use relative paths in it :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so we can have make install on the cross-compiler setup the same build structure...
15:25 <joda_bot> ok, then move them to win32 :-)
15:25 <joda_bot> or I'll do it
15:26 <z-man> Could you do it? makedist.bat is yours now.
15:26 <joda_bot> fine
15:26 <joda_bot> I'll also commit the generate_version.bat then
15:26 <z-man> It has a line already that seems to try to handle the .nsi copying, but nothing happens.
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to automate it completely? Where you just run one script and it setups up the dist directory, calls make to build, then does the second half, then runs nsis?
15:26 <z-man> May be a leftover from my stuff.
15:26 * Lucifer_arma already knows nsis can be run from the commandline quite well
15:27 <joda_bot> right, because it assumes, to copy it from build/smth. (which refers the build module
15:27 <z-man> joda_bot: yes, give us the update, too. On a release, the version replacement is handled in Unix already.
15:27 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I don't know how well code::blocks is automatable
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15:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we were using cygwin it'd be completely automatable. :) I hear we'd still be able to with MSYS
15:29 <z-man> Personally, automation in Windows is not a high priority. The worst part for me is booting into it :)
15:29 <z-man> After that is done, a build/release is so little work it's not worth to automate.
15:29 <z-man> Now, cross-compilation...
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15:58 <Lucifer_arma> holy fucking hell
15:58 <xzl_shaggy> what
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> my kubuntu system's trashed and all I've got that works is this t2 system that's not entirely stable
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> rather, what works is stable, but it wouldn't build firefox and some others. now I"m going to have to creep by with konqueror while I run another t2 build
15:59 <joda_bot> commiting
15:59 <joda_bot> I just updated the readme's
16:00 <xzl_shaggy> oh, well.. all that went over my head
16:01 <joda_bot> commited
16:01 <joda_bot> z-man: done
16:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that cycle_delay crash thingy is fixed now?
16:02 <wrtlprnft> I didn't get any mail and the svn logs show a bugfix by you, was that all of it?
16:03 <wrtlprnft> and, sorry that that happened. I checked in the hybrid server, but I just built and ran the dedicated one, without connecting to it
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16:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, it's fixed, never mind, it just happened in server mode.
16:10 <z-man> joda_bot: got it. But I'll need to update the scripts, they're not yet adapted to the wav -> ogg change
16:10 <z-man> and whatnot else...
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: apparently I am getting email from the forums, it was just my broke-ass kubuntu system that couldn't handle it. some problem with a shared library needed by kmail that was replaced with an older version
16:11 <z-man> Now, where is src/doc gone in the windows zip?
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: long story, not worth going into :(
16:11 <joda_bot> the nsi scripts ?
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16:12 <z-man> yes, those.
16:12 <joda_bot> z-man: Code::Blocks does not build the documenation as I can't build it on windows (yet)
16:13 <z-man> Yes, but previously, the docs were build on Unix and packed into the source .zip.
16:13 <z-man> Apparently, that's not happening any more.
16:13 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: ok
16:13 <joda_bot> no idea , sorry :|
16:13 <z-man> probably my fault.
16:15 <joda_bot> I'll add two items on the sf tracker for me
16:15 <joda_bot> hm, it's one basically... to enable armagetronad to be installed multiple times on a system
16:16 <joda_bot> e.g. customized startmenu entry + multiple uninstaller entries
16:17 <joda_bot> is this build system or interface ?
16:21 <joda_bot> choose to put it into build system
16:22 <z-man> Good choice
16:22 <joda_bot> :-)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so any chance we can get the cycle_delay factor thing on BF fortress? Maybe CYCLE_DELAY 0.09 and CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_FACTOR 1.11111?
16:26 <z-man> Sure, but I first want to catch the recording bug.
16:26 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
16:26 <wrtlprnft> no rush :)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> let them play "normal" fortress for a bit
16:26 <z-man> And I was thinking more of DELAY .05 and FACTOR 2 :)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure, but that'll give huge client prediction errors
16:27 <z-man> Not if we also use DOUBLEBIND_TIME.
16:27 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
16:27 <wrtlprnft> nice idea
16:28 <wrtlprnft> of course, DOUBLEBIND_TIME can easily be cheated on the client, but noone will if it gives you client misprediction errors ;)
16:29 <z-man> Seriously think PsYkO can compile his own client?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> uh...
16:29 <wrtlprnft> search the binary for the string DOUBLEBIND_TIME and replace it by something different
16:29 <wrtlprnft> then the client won't know the setting ;)
16:31 <z-man> Who added sounds and textures to the server .nsi script?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> what's a .nsi script?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia nsi
16:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.55 seconds: NS? Runav?k - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS%C3%8D_Runav%C3%ADk>; NSI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSI>; New Slovenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Slovenia_Christian_People's_Party>; National Space Institute - Wikipedia, the free (3 more messages)
16:31 <wrtlprnft> #google .nsi
16:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.16 seconds: Web Hosting, web site design and domains from Network Solutions: <http://www.networksolutions.com/>; WHOIS Search provides domain registration information from Network ...: <http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp>; Index: <http://lms.leviton.com/>; Double-Take Software the industry leader in data protection ...: <http://www.nsisoftware.com/>; (1 more message)
16:32 <z-man> Probably just nobody bothered to remove them :)
16:32 <joda_bot> z-man: I didn't
16:32 <wrtlprnft> http://www.nsisoftware.com/ ?!
16:33 <wrtlprnft> or does it stand for wiNdowS Installer?
16:35 <joda_bot> nullsoft install script
16:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: or something like that
16:35 <joda_bot> it's a open source project inspired or based on the shareware winamp installer
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ok
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16:42 <z-man> wrtlprnft: which of the font files need to be installed?
16:42 <z-man> Only the .ttf?
16:42 <z-man> the two of them?
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16:44 <wrtlprnft> only the ttf
16:44 <wrtlprnft> the other one is the file from which it got created
16:45 <wrtlprnft> it can only be read by fontforge and contains stuff like the images I created it from and lines I used to make the characters more consistent
16:47 <z-man> Ok, building installers from SVN works, apart from the docs which have to be copied over from a release into dist manually to silence an NSIS error. It should work for the release. Now, off to adapt the version of the nsis script...
16:49 <wrtlprnft> there is no way in c++ to get the size of an array, right?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> of a statically defined one like int i[] = {1,2,3,4};
16:50 <z-man> Of course there is, sizeof()
16:51 <wrtlprnft> oh, right, thanks
16:51 <z-man> do sizeof(i)/sizeof(int) :)
16:51 <wrtlprnft> forgot about that one
16:51 <wrtlprnft> I just knew there was some crazy template stuff to get the size
16:51 <wrtlprnft> template <typename Type, unsigned Size>
16:51 <wrtlprnft> Type sum(Type const (&array)[Size])
16:51 <z-man> joda_bot: Is it intentional that the client exe is called plain Armagetron.exe, no ad?
16:57 <wrtlprnft> ok, another dumb question: If i have a global object in a header file, can I still specify its constructor in the c++ file?
16:57 <wrtlprnft> *cpp
16:58 <z-man> You should declare the object in the header with "extern"
16:58 <wrtlprnft> ok
16:58 <z-man> Then you should be fine, just define it with constructor in one cpp file.
16:59 <z-man> If you define an object in a header, you get multiple copies and linker trouble.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> still the same error :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> * :(
16:59 <wrtlprnft> extern std::map<tString, tValue::Callback<cCockpit>::cb_ptr> stc_callbacks;
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the header
16:59 <wrtlprnft> stc_callbacks(cbarray, cbarray+sizeof(cbarray)/sizeof(cbpair));
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the c++
17:00 <wrtlprnft> ah, i have to re- specify the type
17:00 <wrtlprnft> thanks
17:00 * z-man didn't do anything
17:00 <wrtlprnft> yes you did
17:00 <wrtlprnft> 16:58 <z-man> You should declare the object in the header with "extern"
17:04 <joda_bot> z-man: no that's a mistake
17:05 <joda_bot> z-man: but I just keep it the way it was (I guess)
17:05 * wrtlprnft wonders why the AI is still called Armagetron
17:05 <z-man> Could you change it to armagetronad.exe?
17:05 <spidey> man
17:06 <spidey> that bot's evil
17:06 <z-man> the AI loader script can't handle spaces :)
17:06 <spidey> i can hardly ever beat that little shit
17:06 <wrtlprnft> z-man: well, I meant ArmagetronAd or Armagetronad
17:06 <wrtlprnft> "Armagetron Advanced" is >15chars anyways
17:06 <z-man> hehe
17:07 <z-man> I don't know whether that restriction applies to AIs
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it applies to the old scoretable
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it cuts of excess chats
17:07 <wrtlprnft> *chars
17:07 <spidey> really? i'ma name a bot supercalafragilisticsexpealadoses
17:07 <wrtlprnft> like it cuts of the 2 in an imposter's name with 15 chars
17:08 <wrtlprnft> IIRC
17:12 <z-man> joda_bot: did the .exe name change myself, don't bother with it.
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's easy, a good fake gets him every time
17:26 <wrtlprnft> std::map is acting weird... why does this work:
17:27 <wrtlprnft> *stc_callbacks.find(callback);
17:27 <wrtlprnft> if this doesn't
17:27 <wrtlprnft> stc_callbacks[callack];
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> callack != callback
17:28 <wrtlprnft> I meant callback
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they just didn't implement a [ operator?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> typed the second one since i didn't have it ready for copy and paste
17:28 <wrtlprnft> the operator exists and works in other spots...
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> it takes a key. Does find take a key or a value?
17:29 <wrtlprnft> a key
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know. stl has some peculiarities...
17:37 <wrtlprnft> stl compiler errors are no fun
17:41 <wrtlprnft> looks like std::sets don't like containing function pointers very much :(
17:42 <wrtlprnft> std::set<cbptr> stc_forbiddenCallbacks;
17:42 <wrtlprnft> cbptr asdf;
17:42 <wrtlprnft> //...
17:42 <wrtlprnft> stc_forbiddenCallbacks.insert(asdf);
17:42 <wrtlprnft> where cbptr is a typedef for some crazy-long function pointer type
17:44 <wrtlprnft> second
17:45 <wrtlprnft> you can't compare function pointers?! what the heck?
17:45 <joda_bot> z-man: will do
17:46 <joda_bot> z-man: ok
17:46 <joda_bot> gn8 all
17:46 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with doing that? If you can compare char*, why not char(void)*?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> night
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> and you can't even reinterpret_cast them to some other type either? That sucks. How am i supposed to store them in a set?
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18:37 <Vanhayes> #eliza Hello
18:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza What time is it?
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza I didnt think u coukld answer that
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
18:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza I didnt think u coukld answer the question I ask you
18:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say that?
18:44 <Vanhayes> #eliza Goodbye
18:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: My secretary will send you a bill.
18:44 <Vanhayes> lol
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19:02 * MaZuffeR wonders how many actually recognizes it's me playing with a fake name
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> are you (whisper) again?
19:21 <MaZuffeR> not again, still :)
19:21 <MaZuffeR> your_mom figured it out
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> umm, actually, I told him last night
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> when he was still 7
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> he joined on my team, what did you expect me to do? ;)
19:28 <MaZuffeR> just tell him that i'm really good and that he has to watch out for me, that's what i told my team when he joined
19:30 <MaZuffeR> now i have to come up with a new name, SHOUT maybe ;)
19:55 <spidey> i figured it out first :p
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21:01 <spidey> ahah
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21:15 <Lucifer_arma> really, is another immunization going to make teenagers feel any more bulletproof than they already feel?
21:16 <spidey> huh?
21:17 * spidey just got off fortress,40 started something not knowing i was me,heh
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21:29 <spidey> deja who
21:29 <spidey> ryhmes with vu xD
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I only told mom, I didn't tell my whole team, MaZuffeR :)
21:32 <spidey> at first i thought it was you lucifer
21:32 <spidey> then i looked at ping and it was low
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, I'm out for a few days, provided this t2 build gets off the ground
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> my cpu will be occupied building t2
21:32 <spidey> then when i did the mac clone and came back maz said heh
21:32 <spidey> so i knew it was him
21:32 <spidey> xD
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take it as a compliment you mistook mazuffer for me, though :)
21:33 <spidey> lmao
21:33 <MaZuffeR> lol
21:33 <spidey> i'm getting good at this fake name thing
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> of the players that can genuinely beat me (you know, I don't do something stupid or get all arrogant or crazy), MaZuffeR's one of the ones that can do it consistently. grrrr.
21:33 <spidey> i figured out who guru3s fake name was last night
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> he has a fake name
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> ?
21:34 <spidey> yer
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> don't say it's Tank Program, please
21:34 <spidey> he did last night,unless i'm wrong about it
21:34 <spidey> no it's not....
21:34 <spidey> i figured it out cause he did that "))" smilly without the ":"
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21:36 <Lucifer_arma> sure that wasn't z-man? He's been using fake names too...
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to know I can take credit for the latest surge of fake names, but I don't know that I can. ;)
21:36 <spidey> i can :D
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> not for mine, you can't, heh
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> I did it originally because I'd picked up a stalker
21:37 <spidey> lies!
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> and no, you weren't the stalker
21:37 <spidey> damn
21:37 <spidey> :<
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> he'd come in, call me by my real name, then spend all his time going after me
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> which wasn't a problem when he was on the other team, he'd just get frustrated and leave
21:38 <spidey> lmao
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> but it was a problem when he was on my team
21:38 <MaZuffeR> when using a fake name, shout GHAB! when ghableska joins :D (he'll think you're Vanhayes)
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:38 <spidey> hahaha
21:38 <spidey> i'll do that
21:38 <MaZuffeR> i did it while Van was playing too
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> I've been thinking of stealing vanhayes's "/me casts voodoo" instant chat
21:39 <spidey> lol
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> we should start using each other's fake names, you know, after they've been revealed
21:39 <spidey> you could use stop
21:39 <spidey> or china
21:39 <spidey> or sony
21:39 <spidey> hmm
21:39 <spidey> oh
21:39 <spidey> my ascii names
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> make it a game where you can only use the name after you've guessed who's it is
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> so I won't tell you who I am, but if you guess, you can use the name :)
21:40 <spidey> heheh
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> you have to guess correctly, of course
21:40 <spidey> seeing as i guessed maz's name first can i be whisper :D
21:41 <MaZuffeR> be my guest, i've come up with a new name already
21:41 <spidey> SHOUT ?
21:41 <MaZuffeR> no
21:41 * Lucifer_arma wonders why he just suggested a game he isn't good at
21:41 <spidey> damn
21:41 <spidey> hahaha
21:41 <spidey> well...i'm good at it :d
21:41 <spidey> i just gotta compare pings and watch game play
21:41 <spidey> and a few other things
21:42 <MaZuffeR> and I have too old ones that no-one afaik figured out
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> I can arrange for my ping to fluctuate
21:42 <spidey> so
21:42 <spidey> i always know who lucifer is
21:42 <spidey> he makes two mistakes
21:42 <spidey> always
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> Watch out for that wall!
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> what's the other?
21:42 <spidey> n
21:42 <spidey> no
21:42 <spidey> "oops" and "ck"
21:42 <spidey> "ack"
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> really? that's been my favorite instant chat for a couple of years now
21:43 <MaZuffeR> i'm moving to my parents on friday, so you wont know what my ping will be (neither do I)
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll need to make a LAG chat, eh?
21:43 <spidey> lol
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, ck is usually "fuck" where the game missed the fu
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> ack always comes out right
21:43 <spidey> heh
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> what about errrr, and ummmmm?
21:45 * Lucifer_arma complains about lag with "errr" and "ummm"
21:45 <spidey> slides
21:46 <spidey> slide/ack/oops
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you hadn't noticed, I consider sliding a legitimate lag complaint
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> for people who don't complain about lag much, that is
21:47 <spidey> oh
21:47 <spidey> hey
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> because those people can be trusted to have actually slid rather than just saying they did so nobody thinks they suck
21:47 <spidey> i get these weird slies
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that result in:
21:47 <spidey> it's not lag slides but like the system caused the slide
21:47 * Lucifer_arma core dumped SOMEDICKHEAD for 2 points.
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> ?
21:47 <spidey> but it doesn't with other builds
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> which build are you running? the autopackage one right now?
21:48 <spidey> gcc
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you play it in windows don't you?
21:48 <spidey> i play tron on the windows box
21:48 <spidey> yea
21:48 <spidey> it's in a better playing posistion
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> silly's got a similar complaint
21:48 <spidey> and i don't feel like moving things around
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> make a client-side recording and post it to the forums
21:49 <spidey> k
21:49 <spidey> wait
21:49 <spidey> 'er ok
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's exactly the kind of bug the recording was built to catch, the ones you ca't quantify/qualify, are hard to determine if they even exist, but turn out to actually exist
21:49 <spidey> sev
21:52 <spidey> come play
21:52 <spidey> i need good people for it to do it
21:53 <spidey> there's only 2
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> umm, I'm doing calc homework that was due today...
22:01 <spidey> k
22:01 <spidey> i got it in 3 parts
22:02 <spidey> barely noticable
22:02 <spidey> sbutn you can see it
22:15 <spidey> i'ma email it
22:15 <spidey> 11mb though
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to be able to do anything about it, you need to get it where people can download it
22:19 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> best I could do is post it on my webserver and give you a link you can give to other people :)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, new game :)
22:19 <spidey> lol
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you figure out who someone is and they acknowledge it, you can use the fake name :)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:20 <wrtlprnft> deleting grid...
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> so if you see me playing as, say, JesusRules, and you figure out it's me, then you can be JesusRules :)
22:20 * spidey doesn't know what to post/say so you can post it :p
22:20 <wrtlprnft> creating grid...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Loading map Anonymous/polygon/regular/square-1.0.1.aamap.xml...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Go (round 2 of 10 )!
22:20 <spidey> LOL
22:21 * Lucifer_arma core dumped spidey for 3.455x10^200 points.
22:21 <spidey> :o
22:21 <wrtlprnft> 10^200 doesn't fit in a float
22:21 <wrtlprnft> and certainly not into an integer :P
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> score's an int anyway...
22:21 <spidey> #g 3.455*10^200
22:21 <armabot> spidey: 3.45500 * (10^200) = 3.45500 × 10^(200)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455x10^200 % 2^31
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha, google gave it back in even less readable form :)
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <spidey> lol
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455x10^200 mod 2^31
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g mod(3.455x10^200, 2^31)
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> #google "google calculator modulo"
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455x10^200 % 2^32
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
22:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.60 seconds: Google Guide Quick Reference: Google Calculator (Cheat Sheet): <http://www.googleguide.com/print/calc_ref.pdf>; Google Guide Quick Reference: Google Calculator (Cheat Sheet): <http://www.googleguide.com/help/calculator.html>; Google Web Search Features: <http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html>; Google Directory - Science > Math > Algebra > (2 more messages)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455*10^200 % 2^32
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.455*10^200 % 2^31
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 3.455*10^200 % pow(2, 32)
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:23 <spidey> #g 3.455*200^10
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #math calc mod(3.455*10^200, pow(2, 32))
22:23 <armabot> spidey: 3.45500 * (200^10) = 3.53792 × 10^(23)
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'mod' is not a defined function.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
22:23 * wrtlprnft pulls out kcalc
22:23 <spidey> ll
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> % modulo (finds the remainder after division)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> #g (3.455*10^200) % (2^31)
22:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((3.45500 * (10^200))%) * (2^31) = 7.419556 × 10^(207)
22:25 <wrtlprnft> it probably won't be able to calculate it anyways
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2^31
22:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2^31 = 2,147,483,648
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> #g (3.455*10^200) % 2,147,483,648
22:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:25 <wrtlprnft> say it like that, for all practical reasons you'll get a random score
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it could take years for it
22:25 * Lucifer_arma core dumped spidey for RAND points.
22:26 <wrtlprnft> and since it's using signed ints it will be negative with a .5 chance
22:26 <wrtlprnft> well, actually not .5
22:26 <wrtlprnft> .49999999999
22:26 <wrtlprnft> because 0 isn't negative :P
22:27 <spidey> hmm
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there one more positive number than negative number?
22:27 <spidey> how would i do thi
22:27 <spidey> this
22:27 <wrtlprnft> btw, on my math test:
22:27 <wrtlprnft> can you put a k=-3 in sigma notation?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> like, have k=-3 under it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> sure
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> why not? that's a range
22:27 <wrtlprnft> my math teacher doesn't think so
22:28 <wrtlprnft> he refuses to give me that mark
22:28 <spidey> #success [uptime][roulette]
22:28 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded. spidey: 05:28:01 up 52 days, 5:33, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 *click*
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's like for( k=-3, k<=someothernumber; k++)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> exactly
22:28 <wrtlprnft> but he things k is an unsigned int
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or, a natural number in math terms
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, it's not?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> if it was, we couldn't have our lower limit of integration negative...
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and someothernumber is oo
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, k's definitely a signed int, your math teacher is just smoking crack
22:29 <wrtlprnft> grr, I'm gonna get him for that
22:29 <wrtlprnft> I want that mark
22:29 <spidey> lol
22:29 * wrtlprnft looks for the wikipedia article that proves it
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I tell you, it's a big sum that lies under integration, and you can pick any arbitrary range
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, if my scanner was working I'd send you a scan of a page out of my calc textbook that shows it ;)
22:29 * wrtlprnft won't mention he got 47.5/48 on that test, including the bonus question
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> damn, you couldn't do better?
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> 47.5 IS FAILING
22:30 <wrtlprnft> no :D
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh, out of 48 possible
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> :P
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 47.5/.48
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 47.5 / .48 = 98.9583333
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 48.5/.48
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 48.5 / .48 = 101.041667
22:30 <wrtlprnft> i want that mark!
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, my teacher sets a limit of 100, so bonus points cn't give you more than 100
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't believe in percentages > 100
22:31 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-195-208.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> it helps him when he gets the penis spam emails
22:31 <spidey> mommy can i goto a party and get drunk pwease i'll clean my room!
22:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my teacher uses some school math program that most teachers use, and it believes in it :P
22:32 <wrtlprnft> (btw I don't think many teachers fully understand that thing)
22:32 <Your_mom_arma> spidey, sure why not as long as your over 21
22:32 <spidey> damn :<
22:32 <wrtlprnft> you should hear some of the statements my english teacher makes :D
22:32 <wrtlprnft> totally gets the math wrong
22:32 * Lucifer_arma notes that most teachers are technophobes and Your_mom_arma is a bit of a wet blanket sometimes.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I never did like trusting my GPA to english teachers
22:33 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summation
22:33 <wrtlprnft> look at one of the examples
22:33 <wrtlprnft> 0<=k<100
22:33 <spidey> ok luci email sent :/
22:33 <wrtlprnft> that proves that k does NOT have to be a natural number
22:35 * wrtlprnft is gonna print that out and hold it under his math teacher's nose
22:35 <spidey> why bitch about a 98? :D
22:36 <spidey> i wouldn't
22:36 <wrtlprnft> I will
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that doesn't prove it can be an integer, only that it can be a whole number
22:36 <wrtlprnft> If i didn't bitch about a 98 I would never get to bitch
22:36 <spidey> besides if you piss him off by proving you're smarter,he might knock a few points off the final adverage
22:36 <wrtlprnft> 0 is not a natural number
22:36 <wrtlprnft> and -3 is an integer
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> 0 is a whole number, though
22:37 <wrtlprnft> I don't care if it could be a real number
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> natural number, then whole number (natural numbers + 0), then integer
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, edit the pge real quick and add an example that includes -1, then print it
22:37 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:37 <spidey> hahahha
22:38 <spidey> what if he goes to the page though?
22:38 <spidey> and sees it's not there
22:38 <spidey> then wrtl's pwned
22:38 <wrtlprnft> don't wanna make a photo of your math book real quick?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> he can check the page history and see that wrtl added it :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> let me see if I can find such a page real quick
22:39 <wrtlprnft> I'll get him for discussing with me and making me look stupid :P
22:39 <spidey> lmfao
22:40 <spidey> why not just do what i used to do when i went to school
22:40 <spidey> talk so much shit about it the teacher gets confused and agrees with you
22:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, anyways:
22:40 <spidey> then again my teachers where just about as stupid as me
22:40 <spidey> :/
22:40 <wrtlprnft> > is the sum of f(k) over all (integer) k in the specified range,
22:41 * spidey is getting his GED next year
22:41 <spidey> >.>
22:41 <spidey> actually this year
22:42 <spidey> ohhh
22:42 <spidey> i can get my license to
22:42 <spidey> woot
22:42 <spidey> argh,that means i'ma have to get a job aswell
22:43 * spidey refuses to work at mcdonalds unless lcifer goes there
22:43 <spidey> then i can spit on his big mac xD
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I didn't find just one sum with a negative k
22:44 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that one sentence basically says it
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> plenty of integrals with a negative lower bound, but if your teacher doesn't know about the Riemann Sum, he won't know an integral from his ass
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> in which case, you'd have to show him the connection
22:45 <wrtlprnft> and, he has to show me where the book says that it has to be a whole number :P
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> that sentence does say it, and the page is in precise math terms, it should be good just like it is
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> even better if you can find the book saying integer too :)
22:46 * wrtlprnft doesn't have the math book
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> now that I think about it, I can believe my book doesn't show negative k's there
22:46 <wrtlprnft> we don't use it, but I'm sure my teacher has a copy
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> it uses 0 and 1 as the lower bound because it's easier to show in examples with real summations, then it goes on to use negative lower bounds in definite integrals
22:47 <wrtlprnft> it was something like (k=1)E(oo) 64 * 0.25^(k-1)
22:47 <wrtlprnft> and I simplified it to (k=-3)E(oo) 0.25^k
22:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, the thing left of the E is upposed to go on the bottom, the bracket right (infinity sign) to the top
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> are you sure it simplifies that way?
22:50 * spidey is watching another documentry
22:50 <wrtlprnft> 64 * 0.25^(1-1) = 64
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 0.25^(-3) = 4^3 = 2^6 = 64
22:51 <wrtlprnft> same thing
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> for k=1, what about k=1000?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter
22:51 <wrtlprnft> you're going to infinity, right?
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
22:51 <wrtlprnft> the first term matters, for all further ones you're just taking a quarter of the previous one
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1/4)^1000
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 4)^1,000 = 0
22:53 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g (1/4)^10
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 4)^10 = 9.53674316 × 10^(-7)
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> better
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^9
22:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-3)
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^9) = 0.000244140625
22:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 3)) = 0.00390625
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-4)
22:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 4)) = 0.015625
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^11
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 64 * (1/4)^(10-2)
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^11) = 1.52587891 × 10^(-5)
22:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 64 * ((1 / 4)^(10 - 2)) = 0.0009765625
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^12
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^12) = 3.81469727 × 10^(-6)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 64*(1/4)^13
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 64 * ((1 / 4)^13) = 9.53674316 × 10^(-7)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> duh
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you're right
22:54 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm sleepy
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it's been a very long time since I've had to work seriously with sums like that :)
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> what we do in my calc class is make a Riemann Sum, which is one of those things, and then make it an integral. so we pass through the sum part to get to the fun part :)
22:55 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:56 * wrtlprnft wants to have a more advanced math course
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, I need to do some solids of rotation using shells before I go to bed
22:56 <wrtlprnft> shells?
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> you'll love calculus :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
22:56 <wrtlprnft> bash?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> zsh?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> ksh?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> csh?
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> you make a couple of graphs that intersect and make an enclosed figure
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> then you rotate that figure on an axis
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> then you setup some thin-walled cylinders (pipes, really)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> then you sum them all up and let their thickness go to 0, and the number you end up with is the volume of the object
22:57 <wrtlprnft> which object?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> the "sum them all up and let their thickness go to 0" is the Riemann Sum thing I mentioned
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> the object that you made by taking a couple of graphs and rotating them on an axis
22:58 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:58 <wrtlprnft> so you mean 3d graphs?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> the graphs rotate through z-space, so the axis is a x= or y= axis
22:58 <wrtlprnft> won't get a solid thing with 2d graphs...
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> not quite 3d graphs, it's still using 2d graph stuff to work. I think there's harder stuff in my future with actual 3d graphs.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> you don't happen to have your math notes on your website?
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, I take those by pencil, sorry
22:59 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, hang on
22:59 <wrtlprnft> who needs history notes? :P ;)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> :P + ;) * ;P?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> s/*/=
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> damn page
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try googling "solids of revolution"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #g "solids of revolution"
23:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #gogle "solids of revolution"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> #google "solids of revolution"
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> you're bound to hit someone's neato webpage with killer pictures
23:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.46 seconds: Solids of Revolution: <http://chuwm2.tripod.com/revolution/>; Visualizations for Volumes of Solids in Calculus: <http://mathdemos.gcsu.edu/solids/>; 4.8 Volumes of Solids of Revolution: <http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~klbooksite/4.08/408.html>; Calculus I (Math 2413) - Applications of Integrals - Volumes of ...: (2 more messages)
23:02 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah ok
23:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what you meant by rotation
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
23:02 * wrtlprnft knows that from povray
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it would have made more sense if I'd said extrusion?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> probably
23:03 <wrtlprnft> we actually did some stuff in germany, but just with simple forms
23:03 <wrtlprnft> like triangles and parts of circles
23:03 <wrtlprnft> anything that will only contain spheres and cones in the end ;)
23:05 <spidey> lol @ this
23:05 <spidey> :s
23:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:06 <spidey> i'm watching a documentry on supermassive black holes
23:06 <spidey> they're basically saying every galaxy has one only some are not "feeding" (sucking things in)
23:07 <spidey> which would mean there's one in our galaxy ;s
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> isn't tht one of the hypotheses on what's at the center of our galaxy?
23:10 <spidey> that's what i just said....
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:10 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, ok. heh
23:11 <spidey> but
23:11 * Lucifer_arma thinks we're subatomic particles in a nuclear explosion
23:11 <spidey> wouldn't that mean we're destin to be sucked to another galaxy?
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> no?
23:11 <spidey> well
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> I think it would mean that when our universe cools, we'll just be somebody's dust somewhere
23:12 <spidey> s/.universe/galaxy ?
23:12 * Lucifer_arma thinks it would be neat if we could shrink ourselves to a level where we could walk on electrons and found trees and planets and stuff
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, universe
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's consistent with the Big Bang theory :)
23:13 <spidey> i thought that was only for stars...
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> so from our point of view, all matter in the universe came from some mass of plutonium or uranium
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> nonono, see, what we see as stars are the nuclei of atoms in a macroverse overlaying our own universe
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> planets are electrons
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> which makes us subatomic particles no matter how you slice it
23:14 <spidey> 'er
23:14 <spidey> so
23:14 * Lucifer_arma hopes the molecule our solar system is in has a charge so we can leave our solar system
23:14 <spidey> you're saying we're midgets to someone else?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, midgets are just half-sized humans
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> we're even tinier
23:14 <spidey> lmao
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if there was someone in the vicinity of our universe when it blew, they're not there anymore
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> but all of what's happening to us in billions of years is happening in the blink of an eye (or a little longer) to some folks engaged in some war that involves nuclear weapons
23:15 <spidey> yea
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so, if that's true, then maybe when we blow something up, we spawn an entire universe in the process
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so to make more life, we need only bomb more cities
23:15 <spidey> it's safe to say i don't wanna believe that
23:16 <spidey> seeing as when someone else decides to nue someone else we're dead
23:16 <spidey> pssh
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> ? how's that?
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if there were another nuclear explosion nearby, sure, our universe would have to collide with it
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> but woudl we even notice?
23:17 <Your_mom_arma> i thought time was a constant
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, would it even happen while we're around?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the problem here is that we can only observe from our own point of view :)
23:17 <spidey> heh
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> would we even be able to detect a timescale that takes our hundreds of billions of years and compresses it into a few moments in another, larger universe?
23:18 <spidey> doubtful
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, how long did it take the bomb at Hiroshima to finish detonating? Before all the dust settled and the particles cooled
23:18 <spidey> unless the larger universe did it for us
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, but can they even detect us? And if so, wht do we look like?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you're a neutrino and you just don't know it
23:19 <spidey> hahahah
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> wheres socrates when i need him
23:19 <spidey> heh
23:20 <spidey> but if that where true
23:20 <spidey> wouldn't that mean there's other living things in other solar systems/galaxies ?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> sure. It doesn't make it a certainty, but it makes it highly likely
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I thinkk, I could be wrong about that
23:21 <spidey> heh
23:21 <spidey> but if it where true,then it's is possible aliens do exsist and possibly some of the people wheren't lien when they said they saw them
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> now you're just getting crazy :)
23:22 <spidey> meh
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> so our solar system would have an atomic number of 9, which atom is that?
23:22 <spidey> beware of the zorgons!!!!
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe not
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> do the moons around each planet count as electrons?
23:22 <spidey> hmm
23:22 <spidey> i kinda forgot my science clases
23:22 <spidey> :/
23:22 <spidey> i used to be awesome at science
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> where do subatomic particles fit into this?
23:23 <spidey> then i started sleeping in class >.>
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's what we are, because our solar system is an atom
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> and we are smaller than that, so we are subatomic particles
23:23 <spidey> ok
23:23 <spidey> but what is a black hole?
23:23 <spidey> and where does it fit in?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know
23:23 <spidey> :p
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think those are God's toilets, to be honest
23:23 <spidey> lmfao
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> so wouldnt that mean there are beings on every panet that is the same type of atom we are?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, see, now you're assuming that we know all about subatomic particles in our own universe, and we don't
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's a wildly active area of physics
23:24 <MaZuffeR> "Black holes are where God divided by zero." - Copy to Clipboard
23:24 <MaZuffeR> -- Steven Wright
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:24 <spidey> unless a crazy scientist from a larger universe started playing with atoms and rearranging things
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that what they did when they put too much plutonium together?
23:25 <spidey> heh
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't the big bang theory say that in the beginning, all matter in our universe was one hugely dense piece of matter?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> Then it just started expanding
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I seem to recall that some folks think it compressed a bit first
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, if that's do, look at one of the ways you build a nuclear bomb
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you take some plutonium and surround it with a conventional explosive
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> so antimatter is just the random suff that the big bang couldnt fill
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> stuff even
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> when you detonite the conventional explosive, it compresses the plutonium, which reaches critical mass, then blows up
23:27 <spidey> so our universe was made by a nuke?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> yep
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> and that oort cloud around our solar system could be part of some kid's brain
23:28 <spidey> with this theory that would mean it applies for our larger universe and the one bigger than that
23:28 <spidey> and so on
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and smaller too
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> infinitely recursive in both directions
23:28 <spidey> so if i stomp on the ground i could kill 6billion people?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> and technically it's a hypothesis :)
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> i think you stole this from the men in black movies
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see why, the hypothesis doesn't include cold matter like what's on the ground, it only includes the matter that's in the explosion we're in
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, actually it's a pretty old concept, afaik, and I ripped it from a STTNG episode that predates MIB :)
23:29 <spidey> lol @ mom
23:30 <spidey> in 3 billion years our galaxy will end
23:30 <spidey> it'll collide with andromida
23:30 <spidey> another galaxy
23:30 <spidey> ;s
23:30 <spidey> so humands are dead anyways :o
23:30 <spidey> humans*
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> ? just because our galaxy ends doesn't mean everything in it is over
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> just that a new galaxy will form or something like that
23:31 <spidey> wait
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> we'll just need to hang tight and hope none of the planets we live on collide with anything else
23:31 <GodTodd> cockroaches will survive....and apparently ants in TX
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. GodTodd will be lurking to jump in with some smart-ass comment, too.
23:32 <spidey> "if we're lucky and on the other side of the galaxy,we'll be thrown into the emtpiness of space"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> He's going to heckle this collision endlessly :)
23:32 <GodTodd> usually ;)
23:32 <spidey> if not,we'll be a big bang
23:32 <spidey> heh
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe andromeda is part of some other nearby explosion?
23:33 <spidey> 'uno
23:33 <spidey> now i'ma watch a documentry on the military
23:33 <spidey> wait i've seen that one
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> is it one of those show-the-flag-woo-woo-America-kicks-ass documentaries?
23:34 <spidey> no
23:34 <spidey> did you know
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> yes
23:34 <spidey> there'a 11 nukes lost on american soil
23:34 <spidey> that the military lost
23:34 <spidey> and are still active
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's all?
23:34 <spidey> heh
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> what about what's under the oceans?
23:34 <GodTodd> probably all in NM ;)
23:34 <spidey> that's all THEY SAY
23:34 <spidey> but who knows
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> there are some counts
23:35 <spidey> they only tell you enough to make you leave them alone
23:35 <spidey> then it's back to the secrete stuff
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> better check wikipedia, there's an article where they try to account for all the lost nukes
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> that doesnt even mention all the nuclear wase that dissapears into new jersey
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> waste even
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> by nuke I don't just mean warhead either, I mean nuclear power plants (submarines) too
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: that's not nuclear waste, those are immigrants
23:36 <spidey> hahah
23:36 <spidey> that's mean
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> really so three mile island is filled with canadians?
23:36 <spidey> LOL
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> worse yet, it's filled with French Canadians
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:36 * spidey 's stomach hurts
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> didn't they just close the one reactor there, though?
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> three mile island has been shut down for years, its a miny chernoble
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> there were like 3-4 reactors, and only one of them got fucked up, the others have kept running...
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> mini
23:37 * spidey has 82 videos
23:38 * spidey goes to find more documentries
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh ok, it was closed
23:39 <spidey> heh
23:39 <spidey> 264 results for "discovery channel"
23:39 <spidey> there's one "the history of haxing"
23:39 <spidey> lolz
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, TMI-1 is still in operation, it says on wikipedia
23:41 <GodTodd> three mile island is still somewhat operational according to wikipedia
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> TMI-2 is closed
23:41 <GodTodd> blah lucifer :P
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_Nuclear_Generating_Station
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> i was mistaken apperently
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same thing at chernobyl, isn't it? 3 of the original 4 reactors are still running?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that last chernobyl reaactor was shut down in 2000
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> Reactor 4 is the one that blew up on my -10 wedding anniversary, reactor 2 had a fire in 1991, Reactor 1 was shut down in 1998, and Reactor 4 in 2000, closing the plant
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, make that last one reactor 3
23:49 <spidey> sun of a bitch
23:49 <spidey> fuck fuck fuck >.>
23:50 <spidey> i just gave myself 45 minutes of cleaning
23:50 <spidey> grr brb
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23:53 <spidey> wow
23:53 <spidey> i dumped my droor out but the ash tray didn't spill
23:54 <spidey> found another one of my harddrives
23:54 <spidey> lol
Log from 2006-06-13:
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00:21 <spidey> lucifer
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> what?
00:41 <spidey> gots a question
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, go
00:42 <spidey> when i play on faster servers i get more bugs,like i'll double bind on the rim and i'll stick there then explode,teleporting,exploding with half rubber left
00:42 <spidey> are those bugs or due to the server settigns
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> server settings
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> as your speed goes up, the noticeability of the mistakes goes up
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> like, say you have 10% packet loss
00:42 <spidey> k
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> you play on a slow speed server, the lost packets don't represent much in the way of actual movement on the grid
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, if you're going 6m/s and you lose 10% of your packets each second, the most you lose in terms of sync is 0.6 m/s, right?
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> now take the same cycle and put it at 100m/s. Now you're losing 10m/s
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> when you do get a sync, that means teleporting and lag sliding.
00:44 <spidey> hmmm
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> You also lose the same information for other players, which includes turns. So when a sync comes, you'll find walls that weren't there before
00:44 <spidey> would packet loss be server side or clientside?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> high rubber and high speeds both affect the appearance of lag
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> packet loss is network, there's nothing we can do about it
00:44 <spidey> i know
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> now, if we're actually losing packets in our own code, that's a very serious problem
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> but outside of that, there's nothing we can do. For all you know, your isp drops every 4th armagetron packet just to be a dick
00:45 <spidey> hahah
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest running the client on linux if you can, just because linux has a better network setup all the way around than windows
00:45 <spidey> i can but i can't
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> and of course servers that run on linux tend to be much better than servers run on windows
00:46 <spidey> the linux lcd screen is o my right and about 11 inches above my head
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> dual-boot your windows machine?
00:46 <spidey> can't i run 2 servers on it
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> you're running a server on your windows machine? are you nuts?
00:46 <spidey> ...
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> there are other factors I haven't mentioned, I just kinda focused on packet loss :)
00:47 <spidey> it's got a better L2 cache and FSB than my nix pc
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't tell me the server versions, and some of those effects you described could be caused by older server versions that interpret the rules a little differently
00:47 <spidey> no it's a newer server
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> again, the differences aren't noticed terribly at low speeds and rubber, but move to high speeds and rubber and the differences show up
00:48 <spidey> hm
00:48 <spidey> really
00:48 <spidey> these things wasn't that bad when the server was using 2.7.1
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> it would be worthwhile if you could provide some recordings, preferably small ones. :)
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> which server is it?
00:49 <spidey> then again it wasn't 50 rubber
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't tell me it's the mbc server
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah fuck, it's the mbc server
00:49 <spidey> lmao
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> your other option is to play on a server where the admin knows what the fuck he's doing :)
00:49 <spidey> heh
00:49 <spidey> i'ma start hosting a server i think
00:50 <spidey> use my old config
00:50 <spidey> it was always full when i used those
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping to find some time to bring mine back up soon. I think I'm going to make it a simpler fortress server, couple of small teams with some obstacles and good terrain features
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> CT made a server that outdid mine for rotating maps and actually being playable, so I'm going to look into fortress variations that don't involve rotating maps :)
00:51 * spidey likes running 2.6.0
00:51 <spidey> xD
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> but I still get the award (if there is one) for having the first rotating map server :)
00:51 <spidey> hehe
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> and the second...
00:52 <spidey> grr
00:53 <spidey> i take back what i said earlier about having to get a job
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> you'll take mcdonald's now?
00:53 <spidey> fuck no
00:53 * Lucifer_arma flipped hamburgers for 4 years
00:53 <spidey> more like radio shack or walmart
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
00:53 <spidey> or something like that
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> around here anyway, fast food pays better than those places
00:54 <spidey> here you get minimal wadge
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> significantly better. Heh.
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> unless you get into the service center at walmart
00:54 <spidey> at fast food places
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> you know, oil changing and stuff
00:54 * spidey wants the electronics department
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a shortage of fast food workers here and a high density of restaurants in general
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, there's no shortage of snobby teenage girls to do the other jobs
00:54 <spidey> hahaha
00:54 <spidey> you know what
00:55 <spidey> we'll ship all of ours to ya'll
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the people that worked at walmart and radio shack generally got $0.50->$1 less than I got at fast food
00:55 <spidey> we have a huge surplus of them
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> I said there's no shortage!
00:55 <spidey> oh
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'll let you know if that changes!
00:55 <spidey> same here
00:55 <spidey> heh
00:55 <spidey> you do that
00:56 <spidey> atleast then when i do
00:56 <spidey> asking for $10-$20 every month or two won't be too much
00:56 <spidey> cause i'll have :|
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> there's gotta be some way you cna turn what you know about computers into freelance work...
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke, bbiab
00:58 <spidey> i can do anything but soldier,well i can soldier but i don't trust myself that much xD
00:58 <Your_mom_arma> soldier?
00:59 <spidey> solder?
00:59 <spidey> metal wire
00:59 <Your_mom_arma> oh
00:59 <spidey> hot gun
00:59 <Your_mom_arma> soldering iron
00:59 <spidey> yea
00:59 <spidey> solder :p
01:00 <Your_mom_arma> the misspelling really threw me for a loop that time
01:00 <spidey> hahah
01:00 * spidey has low grades in english
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01:01 <Your_mom_arma> hey
01:01 * spidey trips z-man ON HIS WAY IN
01:01 <spidey> s-caps
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not good at soldering either, but I don't do electronics work anyway :)
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's an opportunity in smaller towns and less, umm, urban areas, I think, for linux in business :)
01:08 <spidey> who's gonna trust a 16 y/o with computer work?
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> whenever I'm in a small town I see either no computers, really old computers, or overpriced stuff with windows crap, and invariably I see dissatisfaction
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:08 <spidey> i mean afterall they're adults and know more :p
01:08 <spidey> but really they're fucking morons
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's entirely possible you're in a different world than I am. :) In my world, kids still fix computers because adults are too stupid to do it
01:08 <spidey> i was being sarcastic
01:09 <spidey> someone told me once
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> just think about it, if you figure something out, jump on it, eh?
01:09 <spidey> "zomg i got a virus my computer won't even turn on"
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> freelance work, imo, is the greatest, and I'm just as insubordinate-hates-authority as you, if not more so
01:09 <spidey> i'm willing to bet $30 it's the power supply
01:09 <spidey> "stfu what do yuo know
01:09 <spidey> xD
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> damn kid
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> :)
01:10 <spidey> :p
01:10 <spidey> since then peoples problems are theres
01:11 <spidey> was thinking about going to ITT when i get my GED
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> "Do you want to make more money? Of course, we all doooo." I hate those commercials.
01:14 * Lucifer_arma isn't impressed with ITT, to be honest.
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> you might be better off getting the same traiing from a community college, but it'll take longer. Up to you, it's your life, after all, but ITT just strikes me as another "get rich quick" scheme,
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> or at least they play on the same impulses that drives get-rich-quick schemes
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> but in the real world, I've never encountered an ITT person or a job that dealt with such applicants, so I don't know what their chances are for real
01:15 <spidey> really i don't need it,but a certifacate saying i got training in that field would be better for tat kind of job :s
01:16 * Lucifer_arma likes freelance work in part because nobody asks to see his nonexistant CS degree
01:16 <spidey> remind me
01:16 <spidey> next time i get $10 to get a keyboard and mouse that DON'T have a short
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh. give them that much for free, then take $45/hour to fix their real problem :)
01:17 <spidey> no...i ment my real problem
01:17 <spidey> heh
01:18 <spidey> the mouse and keyboard have a short in the wire
01:18 <spidey> have to wiggle the wire for them to work
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> wireless is sooo cool
01:18 <spidey> heh
01:18 <spidey> then again,it might not be either of them
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> somebody tell me what my now-missing 6th systray icon was so I can restart that application
01:19 <spidey> hahah
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> I see IM, email, and IRC, and the two I generally don't look at
01:20 <spidey> i only have 2 systray icons
01:20 <spidey> network monitor and the speaker
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> speaker, that's it
01:20 <spidey> lmfao
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> it was kmix, which I don't have running all the time
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> thanks, I don't need to restart it :)
01:20 <spidey> heh
01:21 <spidey> i don't get this
01:21 <spidey> the mouse don't work
01:21 <spidey> but everytime i look at the screen the little arrow has moved
01:21 * Lucifer_arma whistles the Twilight Zone song
01:21 <spidey> hahah
01:21 <spidey> the aliens abducted my pointer
01:21 <spidey> :s
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01:23 <spidey> yay
01:23 <spidey> another documentry is done downloading
01:23 <spidey> one that was banned
01:25 <spidey> conspiracy of silence
01:25 <spidey> congress had it banned
01:25 <spidey> shitty quality
01:26 <spidey> i want a dual core video card
01:26 <spidey> whenever they come out
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02:08 <guru3> fun fun work time
02:14 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: did you branch for 0.3.0? I don't know how long the Windows repais will take. I don't want to rush them.
02:15 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I fixed the GetUserName() problem the right way for both cross compilation and native compilation; <windows.h> is now included in defs.h, which every file we have includes first. That way, the #define GetUserName GetUserNameA is active everywhere.
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02:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, I haven't branched yet, doing calc homework :(
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> test this weekend
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> also, my kubuntu partition blew up on me :(
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: ping :)
02:36 <z-man> ok
02:37 <z-man> Plan? Shall I slowly try to get the Windows build working properly? It seems some things should rather be done on "make dist" than in the zip source preparation.
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmmmmm
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like maybe we're not ready to release 0.3.0 after all :)
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> besides me, do you have any idea how many other people might be waiting for 0.3.0 before tearing up the trunk some more?
02:47 <Luke-Jr> you know, we could just go back and branch before the windows changes started...
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> there's an interesting idea
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's the cia url again? I lost it in my browser history when my Kubuntu partition blew up...
02:47 <Luke-Jr> aabeta has a link
02:48 <Luke-Jr> ViewVC makes it easy
02:49 <z-man> Problem is, the Windows build wasn't working properly before Joda's rearrangements either.
02:49 <z-man> The nsis install scripts ignored the new sound stuff and the font.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok. I'm seeing some fairly important stuff afterwards that we really should catch anyway
02:50 <z-man> I think I almost have the version.h file joda generates from SVN reproduced
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> 3 choices.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> branch so people can tear up the trunk again
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> not branch and keep going as we are, try to get windows building by the end of the week or early next week, even late next week
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> hold off 0.3.0
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> my gut tells me the best choice is the third one, hold off 0.3.0 a couple more weeks
02:52 <z-man> What has that for implications for people tearing up the trunk?
02:52 <z-man> Should they be allowed to do it then?
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure anybody's waiting to tear up the trunk anyway, and the windows build keeps being "it'll be ready in a few hours", and I think that's going to keep going
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, of course. if we hold off 0.3.0, tear it up again.
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> That's contingent on my suspicion that nobody besides me is waiting to do that thing, and I've got this test so I'm not going to tear it up anyway in the next week or so
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> what do you guys think?
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a little voice in my head saying we shoudl get the cross-compiler thing going pretty quickly. We have a severe shortage of regular windows developers, and cross-compiling is the thing that lets some of us update the windows build without having windows
02:54 <z-man> I've got lots of pending merges from 0.2.8 that are a tiny bit dangerous
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> what's the worst case they might impact the trunk?
02:55 <z-man> Hard to say. They're on permanent test on Fortress, so I don't expect desasters...
02:55 <z-man> but you guys have mainly been messing with graphics and sound, not the core game code.
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> so worst case is we get weird behavior/random crashes for a few weeks while you track it down?
02:56 <z-man> So whatever you do, you didn't break the game. The merged changed could do that.
02:56 <z-man> Yes, that kind of stuff.
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, if we hold off 0.3.0, then that sounds pretty acceptable :)
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> assuming that really is the worst case...
02:57 * Lucifer_arma wonders how he can put together a Riemann Sum to determine the worst case
02:57 <z-man> Yeah, the real worst case can always be worse than the imagined worst case
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 4th choice
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> branch anyway with the current revision and work out the windows thing there
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> then you can tear up the trunk with your merge from 0.2.8, and if it breaks it, fine, we release from the branch
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> if not, even better, we release from the trunk :)
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that's just crazy talk, though
02:59 <z-man> No, sounds good.
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, let's do that then. I'll do the branch tomorrow afternoon my time, It's pretty late and I still need to do a couple more problems before I go to bed
03:00 <z-man> Just let me commit what I think is a reasonably good shot at fixing the Windows build to the trunk ;)
03:00 <z-man> Ok
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> and if your reasonably good shot at fixing windows works, you know what to do :)
03:01 <z-man> Yes, I'll simply push the build up to aabeta.
03:02 <z-man> It'll still be tagged _alphasomething
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> do we have a flare gun or something we can use to get the QA guys' attention?
03:02 <z-man> We can tag and do a proper release later.
03:02 <z-man> Post on the forum?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more like a very large megaphone
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I've got a minor calc question that's curiosity more than anything, if you've got a minute for it
03:04 <z-man> of course
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> so, volume of a cone, right? In class we derived the formula we all know and love by chopping it up into circles, from the side
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> I was wondering if there's a method that works from the top, where you chop it into triangles, and then rotate the triangles
03:06 <z-man> A cone with circular base?
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> yes
03:06 <z-man> and it's top is pointing to the side?
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe I'd need to see your drawing? What we did in class,
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> you point it any way you want, but we looked at it from the side and chopped into rectangles, from the side they were rectangles
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> so the volume of a cylinder, stick it in a Riemann Sum, then make your integral from that
03:08 <z-man> Ah, ok, now I understand your "from the side"
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> so the tip points up/down/left/right
03:08 <z-man> The cut planes are parallel to the ground circle.
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> so I was wanting to make triangles instead, and then you look from the top
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's what we did in class. :)
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> but if you do it from the top, you basically do the solid of revolution trick with the triangles and rotate half a twist to get the whole cone
03:09 <z-man> If your chop planes are parallel (all perpendicular to the ground circle), your cuts will be parabulas, not triangles.
03:10 <z-man> Ah, ok, so your chop planes all go through the center axis of the cone?
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, instead of stacking them side by side. Ahh, that's the part, don't stack side by side
03:10 <z-man> That works.
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's it
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> so is that a useful tactic?
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I have this thing about using trig. :) Even if it's just area of a triangle...
03:11 <z-man> Depends :) The small bodies you chop it up to aren't flat triangles, so their volume is as hard co calculate as that of the whole cone.
03:12 <z-man> They're thicker on the outside, so those parts get a bigger weight in the volume.
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, we've been ignoring that, because when you put it together as an integral, their thickness goes to 0
03:13 <z-man> That only works as long as the thickness is uniform.
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> at least, when you're just stacking bits next to each other it works that way
03:13 <z-man> It works for the slicing to circles, because they're parallel, but not for your triangles.
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I get it. Thanks. :)
03:16 <z-man> You're welcome
03:28 <z-man> Got a working build!
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> yippeee!
03:28 <z-man> Upload to aabeta is running.
03:32 <z-man> Can take a while, the installer is now 5 MB big...
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> damn. wht's in it?
03:32 <z-man> Music?
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I better check sizes for that stuff, I thought I was only coming in around 700k for all of it
03:33 <z-man> FTGL and FreeType take the other MB.
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh, aha.
03:33 <z-man> The whole music directory is 1.8 MB
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's quite a bit more than 700k :)
03:34 <z-man> An unused file?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> two of the 4 files are currently unused, actually
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> fortresswalk.ogg and doiknowyou.ogg
03:35 <z-man> But we're going to tell people how to add them to their playlist, right?
03:35 <z-man> So the space is not totally wasted?
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> of course. :) Except that the songs aren't really worth listening to in the playlist as implemented
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> they're intended to be looped, and the playlist doesn't handle looping songs right now is the problem
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> Making post-install adaptions.
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> Found shared files with other packages:
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> etc/group: armagetronad sysfiles
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> etc/gshadow: armagetronad sysfiles
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> etc/passwd: armagetronad sysfiles
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> !> etc/shadow: armagetronad sysfiles
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's the exact error the t2 package is having
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> --disable-sysinstall is in configure, I think
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to move towards bed, just thought I'd toss that at you
03:39 <z-man> Yeah, so I can torture my head thinking about what may go wrong while you sleep, that fits ;)
03:41 <z-man> Good night, I'm off too.
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06:10 <wrtlprnft> #echo [morning][uptime]
06:10 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune: Hear about the young Chinese woman who just won the lottery? || One fortunate cookie... spidey: 13:10:43 up 52 days, 13:15, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00
06:11 <spidey> 07:11:38 up 13 days, 14:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
06:11 <wrtlprnft> :P
06:18 <wrtlprnft> guru3: BUG! try answering to z-man's "different turn delays for 180s and adjusts" thread, it complains your topic is too long
06:21 * spidey yawns
06:25 <wrtlprnft> uh, BF fortress is empty?
06:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like people don't like my test :(
06:25 <spidey> ?
06:26 <spidey> which test
06:27 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4571
06:27 <spidey> i can't click that.....
06:27 <wrtlprnft> woooooo! google earth is available for linux!
06:27 <wrtlprnft> spidey: test servers forum
06:28 <wrtlprnft> the topmost thread there
06:28 <spidey> i still can't click it
06:28 <wrtlprnft> you can go onto the armagetronad forums, right?
06:28 <wrtlprnft> what about copy and paste anyways? That's what i do
06:28 <spidey> if i could figure out how to open the menu yea
06:29 <wrtlprnft> ?
06:29 <spidey> i don't have a mouse dude.....
06:29 <wrtlprnft> screen!
06:29 <wrtlprnft> use screen and irssi
06:29 <spidey> -_-
06:29 <wrtlprnft> and don't tell me you can't use your browser without a mouse
06:29 * wrtlprnft never uses the mouse for browsing
06:30 <spidey> i can't open it without one.....
06:30 <spidey> cause i don't know how to open the kmenu
06:30 <wrtlprnft> windoze key?
06:30 <spidey> don't wrk
06:30 <spidey> work
06:30 <wrtlprnft> konqueror on the command line?
06:30 <spidey> ..........
06:31 <spidey> i can't open the menu to get to the terminal
06:31 <wrtlprnft> or use opera, it has excellent keyboard navigation
06:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, CTRL-ALT-F1?
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06:34 <spider__> thanks....
06:35 <wrtlprnft> ?
06:35 <spider__> that closed X now my keyboard don't work
06:35 <wrtlprnft> ?!
06:35 <wrtlprnft> how are you typing?
06:35 <spider__> windows
06:35 <wrtlprnft> oh
06:35 <spider__> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
06:36 <spider__> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
06:36 <spider__> hmm
06:36 <wrtlprnft> ????
06:36 <spider__> growl
06:36 <spider__> :<
06:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, alt-f7 doesn't work?
06:36 <spider__> i don't know,i can't start x again :|
06:36 <wrtlprnft> do you have an ssh server on that machine?
06:36 <spider__> yea
06:37 <wrtlprnft> and the reboot button is your friend
06:37 <wrtlprnft> then connect to that
06:37 <spider__> :|
06:38 <spider__> spidey@3[~]$ uptime
06:38 <spider__> 07:38:41 up 13 days, 14:54, 2 users, load average: 0.35, 0.10, 0.03
06:38 <wrtlprnft> well, there
06:38 <wrtlprnft> you go
06:38 <wrtlprnft> restart x11
06:38 <wrtlprnft> and to start a grapthical program:
06:38 <wrtlprnft> export DISPLAY=:0
06:38 <wrtlprnft> xterm
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06:45 <Joni> Hi
06:47 <wrtlprnft_> grr, google earth crashed on me
06:48 <spidey> good! :(
06:48 <spidey> 06:48:13 up 5 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.36, 0.22
06:49 <wrtlprnft_> #uptime
06:49 <armabot> spidey: 13:48:58 up 52 days, 13:54, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
06:49 <wrtlprnft_> that's another machine :P
06:49 <spidey> ::<
06:50 <spidey> yes that smiley wears glasses
06:50 <wrtlprnft_> 8-)
06:52 <wrtlprnft_> !BF fortress is still empty!
06:52 * spidey is going back to bed for 3 hours
06:53 <Joni> lol
06:54 <spidey> i gotta go test on this book for the third damn time :|
06:54 <spidey> yes that means i failed it twice
06:54 <spidey> before that i only fail one test,but i retook it and made a 98
06:55 <spidey> i've never failed a test twice in a row :/
06:55 <spidey> anywho cya in 3 hours,then in 2-4 hours
06:55 <spidey> bbl
06:55 <Joni> cyaz
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09:31 <spidey> 4
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09:54 <z-man> #later tell guru3 the download links on the website still point to 0.2.8.1, any chance of getting them updated some time?
09:54 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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09:58 <spidey> i love you
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09:59 <spidey> but i love vanhayes more
10:00 <Vanhayes> more than what?
10:01 <spidey> more than z-man
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10:01 <Vanhayes> Should I be flattered, or creeped out?
10:01 <spidey> dunno?
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10:06 <Vanhayes> I'll be creeped out
10:09 <spidey> gay
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10:47 <madmax|pt> hello
10:47 <Vanhayes> hey max
10:48 * madmax|pt really loves the cries of double/triple binders
10:49 <madmax|pt> :D
10:52 * spidey really likes killing zop when he double binds
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10:56 <madmax|pt> hehe
10:58 * madmax|pt is away: brb
11:14 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:16:08)
11:44 <cusco> olha um madmax
12:04 <madmax|pt> ...
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12:20 <madmax|pt> any1 here ran the OSX binary of .3 successfully?
12:37 <Luke-Jr> *what* .3?
12:38 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: no I did not try
12:40 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: I guess he's talking about the alpha development build
12:41 <Luke-Jr> aha, need to unfilter branch
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12:56 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you do know k is working on an automated daily Win build?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes
12:57 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: got any contact from k ?
13:01 <madmax|pt> sorry, yes, the alpha development build
13:01 <dlh```> madmax|pt: I did :D
13:02 <madmax|pt> crap
13:02 <madmax|pt> my doesnt run
13:02 <madmax|pt> *mine
13:02 <dlh```> Except I built it. I'm rebuilding. Hang around so you can test it.
13:02 <madmax|pt> (its hard to keep track of typos on 2 different languages)
13:02 <madmax|pt> ok dlh
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: k chimed in in the 0.3 thread, anyway, to talk about the windows build. He's still getting up to speed.
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> Methinks K will always be "getting up to speed" :)
13:24 <Luke-Jr> maybe the new code resulted in a defective light cycle for him?
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, if that's a joke, I don't get it, Luke-Jr, sorry. If it's not, I don't get the context either. Of course, I just got here anyway.
13:33 <dlh```> madmax|pt: http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/builds/Armagetron Advanced.zip
13:37 <madmax|pt> i'll try it
13:37 <spidey> HOMIES
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> what up dog?
13:38 <madmax|pt> it works :D
13:39 <madmax|pt> thanks dlh```
13:39 <dlh```> alright, good
13:39 <spidey> i finally passed that test
13:39 <spidey> my score is what's up xD
13:39 <spidey> but i don't understand how i got a half point
13:39 <spidey> i made a 94.5
13:39 <spidey> nothing on that test was worth a half point....
13:40 <dlh```> You should ask the teacher to just give you a 94 then.
13:40 <spidey> lol
13:41 <spidey> hey by the grade scale they use
13:41 <spidey> a 94 is a A-
13:46 <madmax|pt> test of what?
13:47 <Vanhayes> exams spidey?
13:48 <spidey> i don't have exams
13:48 <spidey> i'm homeschooled
13:48 <spidey> it was a spelling/litature test
13:49 <spidey> they call it word building
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13:51 <Niii> hey
13:52 <madmax|pt> hello
13:52 <spidey> wasps don't like axe
13:53 <dlh```> madmax|pt: be sure you don't turn on sound. The game will probably crash if you do.
13:53 <spidey> i sprayed it and it flew off
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> any idea why sdl_mixer is so unstable on OS X?
13:53 <spidey> mac sucks?
13:53 <madmax|pt> lol
13:54 <dlh```> One bug is in a library they use. It is easily fixed.
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> smpeg?
13:54 <dlh```> No, trin.. something
13:54 * Lucifer_arma really hopes its smpeg
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> what's it used for?
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> wait, timidity?
13:54 <dlh```> Timidity
13:54 <dlh```> yea
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13:55 <madmax|pt> hey G5
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> any objections to me using that as an excuse not to support midi? ;)
13:55 <madmax|pt> dlh, the link is still working?
13:55 <dlh```> Use beta.armagetronad.net
13:55 <dlh```> it is there now
13:55 <madmax|pt> oh ok
13:55 <madmax|pt> its for G5...
13:56 <spidey> people think i'm too old for star wars :(
13:56 <G5_Ger> Is it a new release?
13:56 <dlh```> yes, it should work now.
13:56 <dlh```> still the same problem with sound...
13:56 <G5_Ger> Ok, dl/ing
13:57 <G5_Ger> 25 kb/s ... is it my isp?
13:58 <madmax|pt> was slow for me too
13:58 <madmax|pt> btw, by turning on sound you mean: SysSetup > Sound Settings > Sound Quality: Off/Low-Medium-High ?
13:59 <dlh```> Yes, just turn down all those... we don't have a logical "Sound on/off" setting.
13:59 <G5_Ger> Did anyone see a G5's liquid cooling system leak? It was on the news today ... I'm worried ...
13:59 <madmax|pt> i never used sound in tron though
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> dlh```: there's a define for disabling even compiling sound, it works in Linux anyway
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> or did before I started shuffling things around again
14:00 <madmax|pt> but if i put it to other than Off in there, it doesnt crash
14:00 <madmax|pt> at least for now...
14:00 <dlh```> it will crash on startup
14:01 <madmax|pt> oh
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> that config item is only evaluated once during startup, the old behavior where you could change the setting and have it go into effect right away is gone for now
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> but it'll return :)
14:02 <G5_Ger> Ok, 0.3 running (with sound)
14:03 <G5_Ger> Ok, only startup sound
14:04 <dlh```> I disabled loading the sound files because it took forever on my computer.
14:06 <madmax|pt> the text system is much better, i can now have nicks like "I AM MAD?"
14:06 <madmax|pt> the "?" didnt appear right
14:06 <madmax|pt> hehe
14:08 <spidey> hhahaha
14:08 <spidey> this new experiment is kinda cool
14:09 <G5_Ger> The little map is upside down ...
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> what, the origin on the map is in the upper-left now?
14:09 <spidey> no
14:09 <spidey> you can't double grind now
14:09 <spidey> no matter what
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> that can only be good!
14:10 <spidey> quick binds have a delay
14:10 <spidey> o if you doublebind back
14:10 <spidey> you just turn once
14:10 <G5_Ger> I was gold and gold fortress was on top. I would have excepted it to be on bottom
14:10 <dlh```> It would be nice if the map was orientated with your driving direction.
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the map's not upside down, you just got spawned at the top zone :)
14:11 <G5_Ger> i see
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I looked into zooming the map and having it fix on your position, but didn't actually do any coding on it
14:11 <G5_Ger> did u do something to input handling? feels a lot better and faster.
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like we can use glOrtho to limit the view so we don't have to deal with cutting off the lines at the edge
14:12 <spidey> wait
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> then zooming is just a matter of working in a zoom factor somehow
14:12 <spidey> you can still doublegrind
14:12 <spidey> just use singlebind
14:12 <spidey> real fast
14:12 <spidey> i just did it
14:12 <Vanhayes> `thats how most people do it
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, spidey just figured out the cycle_delay code was for doublebinders
14:13 <madmax|pt> the 1st times i doublegrinded i did it with singlebind...
14:13 <spidey> heh
14:13 <spidey> i use doublebinds
14:13 <spidey> unless i wanna cut deapers
14:13 <spidey> deeper*
14:13 <dlh```> armagetronad://134.95.67.124:4537
14:14 <dlh```> that doesn't work on windows yet, right?
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of
14:14 <G5_Ger> Cool
14:15 <spidey> i don't really care if people doublegrind,unless it's zop
14:15 <spidey> then i kill him
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> and in linux it only works in KDE if you're lucky :)
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I don't mind doublegrinders, generally speaking. It's when they get pissy about how they're going to do it and fuck the rest of the team no matter what,
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> and then get pissy about how I should do it
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> and since that's most of the time, it's annoying as hell
14:16 <spidey> yes
14:16 <spidey> zop did that to me
14:16 <G5_Ger> what is this red/green bar in the right middle?
14:16 <spidey> so now i kill him
14:16 <Vanhayes> that isnt thbrakes g5?
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> brake, isn't it?
14:17 <G5_Ger> No, brakes on the bottom ...
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few doublegrinders I always kill, and a few I always let live
14:17 <dlh```> the upper-right, you mean?
14:17 <Vanhayes> FPS
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> that would be fps, wouldn't it?
14:17 <G5_Ger> yeah ... more vertical center (right)
14:18 <G5_Ger> ok
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> you're using the default cockpit, right?
14:18 <Vanhayes> So the glances turnleft, then left again, then left again if u press them fast enough?
14:18 <G5_Ger> yes
14:18 <Vanhayes> it gets confusing
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> try this:
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> COCKPIT_FILE Lucifer/sick/Playroom-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: yes, and they're relative to your view
14:18 <G5_Ger> i just clicked the link
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> make sure you bind a glance front, it centers the view to your cycle's front
14:19 <G5_Ger> i just clicked your link while i was in bugfarm ... then the new world was fucked up ...
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you know after you turn that you want to be looking in the direction you were going before the turn, press glance front before you turn and hold it :)
14:19 <dlh```> G5_Ger: yea, it gets messed up when you use the armagetronad:// links and are already playing the game
14:20 <spidey> yea
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> I've also found I don't glance back anymore, I just glance left twice
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> it grows on you :)
14:21 <dlh```> I've been using it for awhile, and I still prefer the old custom camera
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> I like the input handling for it, but I'd like to see camera defined by a resource anyway
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> and the resource format would include the primitives that make up both the old kind and the new kind, and whatever else came out of rewriting it to work that way
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> but then you'd define which camera resource to use for which slot, and the existing camera views would become slots, and maybe we'd add a couple more that make sense to add
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> if I ran the zoo, that's just what I'd do :)
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14:27 <G5_Ger> I miss the sound :)
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14:27 <Lucifer_arma> anybody try my cockpit yet? ;)
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> also, try incam, the new default cockpit has a different layout for incam
14:29 <madmax|pt> incam is nice
14:29 * Lucifer_arma should put this "try this out" on the wiki
14:30 <madmax|pt> in console? -> COCKPIT_FILE Lucifer/sick/Playroom-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> yes
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> it *should* load, but you may need to restart it
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> cockpit_file gets saved like you'd expect
14:32 <madmax|pt> it gets in the sight
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> you'd have to try it for awhile, it does occasionally block the view, but I find that on the whole it's better, at least for me
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> because I don't have to move my eyes very far to see it, and I can ignore it when I don't want to see it
14:32 <madmax|pt> its the new from the incam too right?
14:32 <madmax|pt> * the one
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> I admit, it makes more sense as an incam cockpit
14:33 <G5_Ger> ur cockpit isnt that sick ...
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> umm, the incam cockpit is derived from my personal cockpit
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> I added the gauges people expect, and captions
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's stuff I don't like wasting my own screen space on, but people expect it to be there
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14:33 <Vanhayes> what are the meters on the right?
14:34 * Lucifer_arma politely greets z-man-home
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> the top one is speed, bottom is accelration
14:34 <madmax|pt> sooooo... whats the default one then...
14:34 <madmax|pt> so i can load it back
14:34 <madmax|pt> lol
14:34 * z-man-home is watching brazil vs croatia
14:34 <z-man-home> (quite boring up to now)
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone watched switzerland vs france?
14:35 <MaZuffeR> yes
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was it interesting?
14:36 <MaZuffeR> the first half was quite boring, a bit better in the second half
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml <-- something like this?
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good that i haven't watched it then
14:37 <MaZuffeR> Frei tried to score with his hand
14:37 <madmax|pt> yeah, i was looking in the folders
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft_: default cockpit file isn't in default.cfg!
14:37 <madmax|pt> looks like theres the classic one there
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> see? we already found one bug :)
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the one I gave is the default
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> the classic one is supposed to be the same as the old one, I don't know if it ctually is or not, but it should give the old hud back
14:39 <madmax|pt> it does
14:39 <madmax|pt> i tried it
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> the standard one is the one we'll be developing incrementally to be the best freaking default cockpit we can put together
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> the difference between standard and classic is that standard can change between releases. :) Classic is for the people who don't like change.
14:40 <madmax|pt> yep
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> personally I've grown quite attached to my cockpit, and with a few changes to the map I might finally be able to switch to incam as my primary camera :)
14:42 <Vanhayes> hmm what happened to the HUD option that was in system set-up, is it gone or can I just not find it?
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> probably gone for now, we're still trying to figure out how to make hud options like what you used to see
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> the hud is totally different under the hood now
14:43 <madmax|pt> did you guys ever thought of name highlighting in the chat? like when people say our name it makes some tag or changes the text colour
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't mind slinging some xml, here's all about the cockpit:
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: I've thouht about it, but most of the neato chat stuff we're getting is from nemo and wrtlprnft
14:45 <madmax|pt> ok
14:45 <madmax|pt> but that would be useful sometimes :)
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> many times :)
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't be that hard, just do a substring in the same place where we place the *DEAD* string, search for your name, and if it's there, change the color of the line
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also like the option to strip colors from other people's chats. When people go and start talking in green or light blue as their colors, I have a hard time seeing it, so tend to ignore them
14:48 <Lucifer_arma> but it would be neat if we could work out a way to make that work, and then have people's cycle colors figured into the color of their chats
14:49 <madmax|pt> i agree on the "strip colors from other people's chats"
14:49 <madmax|pt> i find that quite useful in MSN
14:49 <madmax|pt> there are people with some strange colors... and fonts
14:51 <madmax|pt> btw, the colour in our nick that we define in player setup isnt supposed to be the same as in the score board?
14:52 <G5_Ger> Does 0.3 version have no sound or is it a problem with the Mac version?
14:52 <Vanhayes> Windows has sound, but it is very annoying
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14:54 <Lucifer_arma> problem with the mac version
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> also, the cycle sound is on vacation
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14:55 <MaZuffeR> the cycle sound is pretty much the only useful one imho
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> we'll get it back, don't worry. There's a new zone spawn sound, though, that I haen't heard in a while because I play with music
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> and the announcer's annoying without music, but I can deal with him with music :)
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> but that damn whistle is getting annoying. I don't know what possessed me to use a whistle for "Go!"
14:57 <madmax|pt> any1 read my question?
14:57 <madmax|pt> lol
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> umm, I read it, I'm not sure if I know the answer though
14:57 <madmax|pt> ok then
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think the answer is "no", the color in the scoreboard is supposed to be the color of your cycle, which is different in teams, of course
14:58 <madmax|pt> hmm, the colour of my cycle isnt the one in the scoreboard, im in spec mode @ bugFort
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> also, I don't know if we'll change the music under the GUI, people that have used it so far have liked it, but the music the game starts with is just trash I threw together to have something to test the code with
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> being in spec mode might change that, too. You don't have a cycle when you're a spectator, do you?
15:01 <madmax|pt> well, but the color in the scoreboard is neither the cycle or the one i defined with color codes in the name
15:02 <madmax|pt> dinner time
15:02 <madmax|pt> bbl
15:02 * madmax|pt is away: Dinner
15:19 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:17:03)
15:21 <madmax|pt> color = american english / colour = british english , right?
15:21 <G5_Ger> yep
15:22 <G5_Ger> it is hard for me to play without game sounds ...
15:22 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's right madmax|pt
15:23 <G5_Ger> Im used to hear other players drive and die
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is a development release we're working on. If you need the stuff that's in the stable release badly, you should run that instead. :)
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> Running the development release implies a certain acceptance on your part that things won't always be wonderful.
15:23 <madmax|pt> you use the sound to know if people died?
15:23 <G5_Ger> No, this is no complaint. Im happy with 0.3
15:24 <G5_Ger> Yes. It helps (me)
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> I used to do that, so I can relate, but I really watch for names in the console now because I track living cycles the same way I count cards in Spades :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the new sound engine when it's finished will have either the same old stereo sound it's always had, multichannel sound with sdl_mixer (probably disabled for you), or full 3d sound with OpenAL.
15:25 <madmax|pt> i never used sound, so i'm a quite intrigued on how people "use" it
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm rearranging the sound stuff to make each of those options both compile-time options and runtime config options,
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15:25 <Lucifer_arma> so we could release a binary with all three compiled in and let the user pick which one to use.
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that we will release such a binary, we need to provide a stable target for people that make music and sound effects, I'd just like to have the option available.
15:26 <G5_Ger> Sounds great. Im looking forward to see the result. Thx for all your time.
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> the compile-time config is to reduce the dependency load to a tolerable level for people building from source. :) so they can pick how many dependencies they'll tolerate for sound, if any.
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15:36 <Lucifer_arma> you'll love full 3d sound. :) OpenAL supports doppler-shifting sounds, so when you speed past a cycle you'll hear the doppler effect on it.
15:44 <spidey> meh
15:44 <spidey> changed my monitors/keyboards around
15:44 <spidey> i'ma start playing tron on this computer
15:45 <[NP]Tangent> whoa
15:45 <[NP]Tangent> you're making full 3d sound?
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> eventually, yes
15:49 <[NP]Tangent> sweet
15:50 <spidey> llucifer
15:50 * [NP]Tangent puts Buy 6.1 speakers on this year's todo list
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> but you'll have to be patient. :) There are so many steps along the way to an OpenAL sound backend...
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I've alredy made two attempts and found the amount of work to be quite intimidating. So I've reworked my plan into more baby steps.
15:50 <[NP]Tangent> I'll be patient
15:50 <[NP]Tangent> :>
15:50 * MaZuffeR already has 5.1 speakers
15:50 <[NP]Tangent> slow but steady wins the race
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> We're stuck with SDL and SDL_mixer for awhile, but you should see enough improvement there to satisfy you :)
15:50 <[NP]Tangent> I have 2.1 speakers
15:51 * spidey has a stereo :>
15:51 * Lucifer_arma uses headphones
15:51 <spidey> that plays what the computer does :>
15:51 <[NP]Tangent> I usually use headphones though
15:51 <[NP]Tangent> I want some surround sound though
15:51 <spidey> i don't,i get introuble cause it's too loud xD
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> there's some surround sound in the new version, but I forgot the config item for it.
15:52 <spidey> derrrr
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> When the alpha's done with QA, or next week, whichever happens first, I'll write up the changes in 0.3.0 on the wiki with a list of try-mes :)
15:52 <spidey> hmm,lots of people must be downloading tron,i'm getting 11kb/s :s
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> but the surround sound in the new version isn't full 3d sound
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's just fake 3d sound. sounds happen approximately where they should happen and that's it. Some amplitude, but that's it.
15:53 * Lucifer_arma thinks the config item for that is in the sound menu
15:53 * spidey doesn't use sound in tron anyways :p
15:53 * madmax|pt hates blood sucking, annoying, not-that-funny looking bugs
15:53 <spidey> even if i did,the music would drown it out :/
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, my music drowns it out. It's part of my goal that that shouldn't happen, though.
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> if you use the music that's available in-game, that is. If you use your own cd player or whatever, it's your problem. :)
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15:54 <spidey> hmm
15:54 <spidey> well
15:54 <spidey> nvm,lol
15:55 <Vanhayes> what is the point of toggle brake?
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> so you can be a wuss without anyone knowing?
15:55 <MaZuffeR> might be useful on speedbrakes servers
15:55 * Lucifer_arma hasn't bound that one
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, actually I bound brake to caps lock awhile back for race servers :)
15:56 <spidey> luci,should i download/install support code ?
15:56 <Vanhayes> but all it does is completely use brakes but doesnt refill
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you have to to use autopackage
15:56 <spidey> i am
15:56 <spidey> it's asking if i should do it now
15:56 <spidey> Y/n
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: if you say "no", it shouldn't install :)
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> so say "yes" :)
15:56 <spidey> k
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, some servers don't have brakes used up anyway. Did you play iF's race server?
15:57 <Vanhayes> I have yes
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> that was "hold the brake down all the time", which interfered with glances for me
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> so when I bound brake to caps lock, I could just toggle it once and have constant acceleration.
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's all the benefit I see to toggle brakes, anyway
15:57 <Vanhayes> but shouldnt it refill after it is depleted?
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> there are some maps on CT Fortress where it would be useful, the shrunk maps
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> some servers don't deplete, that's my point
15:58 <spidey> k,i can't see this when i'm playing now :/ bbl
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's useful if you want brake as soon as it refills, like for tight mazing (and you're a wuss)
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's useful when brakes don't deplete (and you're a wuss)
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> and it's useful when you need constant acceleration, like in a maze server (and you're not a wuss)
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> it might be useful in other situations too, that I haven't thought of. I don't know, I didn't do it. :)
15:59 <madmax|pt> sometimes chat overlaps the "time/framerate/Running For/Music" part of the HUD
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> always has, it's just that before that hud gauge was really small
16:00 <madmax|pt> hmm...
16:00 <madmax|pt> ok
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> you can setup a toggle for it, I suppose we should figure out toggles for the default gauges so you can turn them off
16:00 <Vanhayes> all of that doesnt even fit on my screen
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> umm, don't play so long? ;)
16:00 * Lucifer_arma is aware of the problems with that particular gauge, but it's not a showstopper
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> think about it as an incentive to try making your own cockpit :)
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> see, dont look at the cockpit as "oh looky, we got new gauges". Look at it as "oh looky, I can make it look however I want it to"
16:01 <Vanhayes> I mean all I see is time/fps/timesta and then it goes off my screem
16:01 <Vanhayes> screen*
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl has a cockpit in there too you can try if you want
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> do you have an aspect ratio that's not 4:3?
16:02 * madmax|pt now understands what "Keep Window Active" means
16:02 <G5_Ger> 24h clock is gone ...
16:03 <madmax|pt> its the american style
16:03 <madmax|pt> lol
16:03 <Vanhayes> I like it better now
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
16:05 <madmax|pt> i like the text a lot, in the other versions it was all "blurry"
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> there's also /console in chat
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the change to truetype fonts :)
16:05 <madmax|pt> really cool
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> I think the font is fucking beautiful now :)
16:05 <madmax|pt> i agree on that!
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, you can do "/console COCKPIT_FILE somefilepath" in chat and it'll do what youe xpect
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> this was somebody's request, I forgot who (might have been you, madmax|pt ), who wanted to have console comands in instant chats
16:06 <madmax|pt> not me
16:06 <Vanhayes> wow wrtl's HUD is .... big
16:06 <spidey> luci,which version is it with the minimap?
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> I forget, maybe it was gnorty, heh. It was just one of those "Oh, that would be neat"
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
16:07 <G5_Ger> g2g ... have a nice day!
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> you want 0.3.0_alphasomethingorother if you want the map
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> by G5_Ger, thanks for playing :)
16:07 <madmax|pt> my "that would be neat" is the name highlighting
16:07 <madmax|pt> lol
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft_: :)
16:07 <G5_Ger> my pleasure!
16:07 <G5_Ger> Bye!
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16:07 <Vanhayes> cya
16:08 <spidey> mmm
16:08 <spidey> i get better fps on this computer
16:08 <madmax|pt> Van, is it worth to see? the cockpit?
16:08 <madmax|pt> lol
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft_ has some toggles for his hud, too, so you might try binding the hud togles and see what they do
16:09 <spidey> what's the walls client?
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> very old version?
16:09 <spidey> heh
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> iirc, the game was called walls a loooong time ago
16:09 <madmax|pt> jeez, cant change my color on the score table....
16:09 * Lucifer_arma hasn't noticed a problem with colors on the score table
16:10 <spidey> branch .3?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> I've noticed that spectators seem to hae an arbitrary color, but assumed it was to make them stand out from real players
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, 0.3.0_alphaSOMENUMBER
16:10 * spidey don't see that
16:10 <spidey> just a .3 branch,so i'll assume that's it :p
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> are you on sourceforge, or beta.armagetronad.net?
16:11 <spidey> beta.arma
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the branch you want
16:11 <spidey> k,downloading
16:12 <Vanhayes> madmax | pt the cockpit is alright, just bigg
16:14 * Lucifer_arma notes that you could use /console to replace glances and use a custom cam if you wanted
16:14 * spidey likes the num pad glances
16:14 <spidey> 4 and 5
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> which ones are they? ;)
16:14 <spidey> though they spin to fast,but i've gotten used to it
16:15 <Vanhayes> not fast in 0.3 i bet
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> you can change that, too. Type "angular" into your console to see the setting
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know the units on angular velocity for the cam, I'd expect it to be radians/sec
16:17 <spidey> now i go play :)
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16:23 <madmax|pt> the colors seem to work on the Sumo server, but not on Fortress
16:24 * madmax|pt gives up on that
16:25 <wrtlprnft_> colors?
16:25 <madmax|pt> colors in the score table
16:25 <wrtlprnft_> Vanhayes: go to global keyboard setup and bind cockpit key 1+2
16:25 <wrtlprnft_> and try them with my cockpit ;)
16:25 <wrtlprnft_> madmax|pt: what exactly is wrong? They don't appear at all?
16:26 <madmax|pt> the same appears all the time
16:26 <wrtlprnft_> screenshot?
16:26 <madmax|pt> im changing those with color codes in the player name
16:26 <wrtlprnft_> o_O I never tested that
16:27 <wrtlprnft_> you mean like wrt0xff0000l?
16:27 <wrtlprnft_> testing...
16:27 <madmax|pt> how are you *supposed* to change colors on your nick in the score table?
16:27 <madmax|pt> when in spec mode @ fortress
16:28 <wrtlprnft_> that might be a server bug tho
16:28 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
16:28 <wrtlprnft> you sure it only happens with the dev version?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> btw, try /console FONT_FILE font.ttf :)
16:29 <madmax|pt> not sure
16:29 <madmax|pt> wait
16:30 <madmax|pt> it happens on the other one too
16:30 <wrtlprnft> there you go
16:30 <madmax|pt> but how are you *supposed* to change colors on your nick in the score table?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> that should be your normal colors
16:30 <wrtlprnft> like, color_r_1 etc
16:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man-home: that might be a bug for you
16:31 <madmax|pt> nope, i have no colors defined in the nick, but when i join i have a white background and blue normal color
16:32 <madmax|pt> that white back always appears
16:32 <wrtlprnft> hmm, weird
16:32 <wrtlprnft> maybe you're not supposed to change your colors?
16:32 <MaZuffeR> starting the game with internal cam and then switching to another cam causes you to have two cockpits on top of eachother :s
16:33 <madmax|pt> in the sumo server, the white background when i have no colors defined, but if i define one in the nick with codes it appears the code i defined
16:33 <madmax|pt> in fortress it always appears
16:35 <madmax|pt> ..hmmm... did you understand that?
16:35 <madmax|pt> lol
16:35 <MaZuffeR> colors codes in nicks are disable at bf fortress
16:35 <madmax|pt> :S but i still can't get that white background on my nick off
16:36 <madmax|pt> waaaait...
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16:37 <spidey> i love it
16:38 <spidey> except i can't use it
16:38 <madmax|pt> omg.. is the code Red=0 Green=2 Blue=4 supposed to give you a white background!?
16:38 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: I already had them bind, 1 turns off map, 2 darkens it?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yes
16:38 <madmax|pt> it is?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:38 <madmax|pt> holy crap
16:38 <madmax|pt> so thats it
16:38 <Vanhayes> ok
16:38 <wrtlprnft> that's a very dark blueish color
16:38 <Your_mom_arma> i just tried the .3 alpha and i get graphical glitches if i have high rim turned on
16:39 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: the darkening is for chico maps
16:39 <madmax|pt> i thought background couldnt be defined with the RGB.... :S
16:39 <wrtlprnft> so you can play just by hud map and ignore the 3d rendering
16:39 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: no it can't
16:39 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: screenshot?
16:39 <madmax|pt> ?... if i use Red=0 Green=2 Blue=4 it gives that white background
16:39 <Your_mom_arma> i'll post something
16:40 <Vanhayes> too dark
16:40 <spidey> where's files like font/rim_wall/ect at :/
16:40 <wrtlprnft> all in textures
16:40 <wrtlprnft> for font, al, try typing FONT_FILE font.ttf :)
16:40 <spidey> spidey@1[~]$ find textures
16:40 <spidey> find: textures: No such file or directory
16:41 <spidey> i'ma replace the fonts with the old one
16:41 <spidey> it kills my fps :/
16:41 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft, if i use Red=0 Green=2 Blue=4 it gives that white background
16:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can't forever :P
16:41 <spidey> went from 70 to 28 :<
16:41 <spidey> huh?
16:41 <wrtlprnft> say font_file 0 if you REALLY want to
16:41 <spidey> k
16:41 <wrtlprnft> but it won't be there for long
16:41 <spidey> brb
16:41 <wrtlprnft> *say FONT_TYPE 0
16:41 <wrtlprnft> try others as well. FONT_TYPE 2 should be fast
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16:43 <MaZuffeR> madmax|pt: all colors that are "too" dark has white background
16:43 <madmax|pt> ... glup ...
16:44 <madmax|pt> didnt know that
16:44 <madmax|pt> thanks MaZuffeR
16:44 <MaZuffeR> np
16:44 <MaZuffeR> i think this: http://www.mazuffer.com/temp/screenshot_5.png isn't supposed to happen
16:45 <madmax|pt> someone was describing something like that a while ago
16:45 <wrtlprnft> you don't mean the floor color, right?
16:45 <MaZuffeR> nope
16:45 <wrtlprnft> definitely a bug
16:45 <wrtlprnft> can you make a recording that brings you into that state?
16:45 <MaZuffeR> just start with internal cam and switch to the next one
16:46 <Vanhayes> ya I posted same thing on forums
16:46 <Vanhayes> no SS tho
16:46 <madmax|pt> btw, wasnt "player setup" the first item on the ingame menu?
16:46 <Vanhayes> no it was always player police
16:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:47 <madmax|pt> :S i must be imagining things
16:47 <spidey> meh
16:48 <spidey> fps dropped when i changed it :/
16:48 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=59911#59911
16:49 <wrtlprnft> and this only happens with high rim?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> some opengl dude will probably have to take care of it
16:50 <Your_mom_arma> yeah its a wierd little bug
16:58 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, there's no such thing as an nSettingItemLine? I'd need that...
17:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Help_talk:Contents&curid=1355&diff=6381&oldid=1984&rcid=5391
17:21 <wrtlprnft> omg
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you shouldn't have talked like that a few days ago...
17:23 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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17:25 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: we talked about it a few days ago, I said I don't remember it anymore and it's over now and he said it could come back
17:25 <wrtlprnft> and now we have a spammer again
17:25 <wrtlprnft> hopefully it was a human
17:25 <Your_mom_arma> oh
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17:49 * wrtlprnft is gonna look if he'll get kicked if he joins BF fortress
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> go in as gaymosexual and someone'll try to kick you
17:59 <spidey> lahl
18:00 <spidey> i lost my systray....
18:01 <spidey> i'm getting good at this name guessing thing
18:01 <spidey> SD was in earlier on a fake name xD
18:01 <spidey> beware,another month of this and i'll have esp!!
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18:14 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you already had espn!
18:14 <Your_mom_arma> how do i make a cockpit bargauge variable display verticaly
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> orientation="vertical" ?
18:15 <spidey> lol
18:15 <spidey> krdp won't work :/
18:15 <Your_mom_arma> tried that and that gave me errors
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, it's not on the wiki page
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> check wrtlprnft's map file, it's in resource/included/wrtlprnft somewhere
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> he has vertical bar gauges on the left, iirc.
18:16 <Your_mom_arma> okay
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you should change the language file for your server to say "$1 pwned $2 for $3 points"
18:17 <spidey> heh
18:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
18:17 <spidey> actually
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> Or just add "Pwned!" to the end of it
18:18 <Your_mom_arma> <VerticalBarGauge camera="^in">
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
18:18 <spidey> seeing as i can't use krdp to remote my windows computer
18:18 <spidey> i'll work on my server
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> apparently we need to add another gauge onto the wiki :)
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA player_rubber <--- I'm gonna put that on my server
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> and then lock out clients too old to understand it :)
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to hack your client to get a rubber gauge! arrrrr
18:23 <Your_mom_arma> haha
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, I just figured out how to stop packet loss forever
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18:32 <Lucifer_arma> k! I just figured out how to prevent packet loss forever!
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
18:32 * Lucifer_arma is a badass
18:32 <Your_mom_arma> ?
18:32 * Lucifer_arma covers a grin
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> we use...get this....
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> are you ready for it??
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> WE SHOULD USE TCP INSTEAD OF UDP!!
18:33 <k> Hi Luci. First time on IRC. Be nice. :)
18:33 <Your_mom_arma> hey k
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok k. It's not much different from ingame chat, though. Just don't press "s" everytime you want to say something
18:33 <Vanhayes> lol
18:34 * Lucifer_arma ignores what using tcp would do to pings
18:34 * Lucifer_arma thinks ping is irrelevant anyway
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> ok, joke's over. it wsn't as funny as I thought it was.
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> 70.33.91.60 <--- can someone try to custom connect to this ip address? my client's dead right now...
18:53 <Your_mom_arma> connection failed
18:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, ok, thanks.
18:53 <Lucifer_arma> you don't live in Durka's house, do you?
18:53 <Your_mom_arma> i hope not
18:54 <Your_mom_arma> why did your firewall block me?
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> he says he's opened the firewall for arma, and his nat router, but the master server only gives an ip address and it's unreachable (as you saw)
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> this usually means the port isn't open
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> so we just gotta figure out where the port is closed and get it open :)
18:57 <MaZuffeR> maybe he opened it only for TCP?
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> I told him twice to open it for UDP...
18:58 <MaZuffeR> k
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> (it was that conversation that spawned my bad joke)
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> so maybe he opened it for only TCP anyway. Heh. He's not a dumb guy, though, and this isn't hard, but it's the same old problem. If I'm not sitting there looking over his shoulder, I don't know what he actually did,
18:59 <Lucifer_arma> or what his options are. :(
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes." --featherfcuk
19:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:02 <Vanhayes> er...
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes." --featherfcuk
19:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded. Quote #17 added.
19:02 <Vanhayes> where did you get that?
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> sorry Vanhayes, that's worth saving :)
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> forums
19:02 <Vanhayes> lol
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> #q
19:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> #q
19:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 11:41 PM, March 30, 2006)
19:04 * Lucifer_arma wants armabot available ingame too
19:04 <Vanhayes> Is that possible?
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> not currently, not without much work.
19:04 <Vanhayes> and Don't you think that would be abused?
19:04 <Vanhayes> spamm and all
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> the way armabot gets abused here, you mean?
19:05 <spidey> haha
19:05 <Vanhayes> heh
19:05 <Vanhayes> #eliza Hello
19:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to say the possibility definitely exists, but supybot is a good bot and seems to be doing a good job of avoiding abuse
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, it's configurable enough that I'm pretty sure we can reduce bot queries quite a bit
19:06 <Lucifer_arma> give it ingame admin capabilities and the ability to retaliate for certain types of abuse and we can keep it manageable
19:06 <spidey> then we could trick idiots into getting banned
19:06 <spidey> sweet,i'm for it!
19:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the ones that don't fall for the shift-escape pranks
19:07 <spidey> hahaha
19:10 <Vanhayes> #fortune
19:10 <armabot> Random Fortune: Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, || "Today I will be brilliant." || -- Kirk, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> Kirk could never say he was brilliant
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=60101#60101
19:11 <spidey> can't click it
19:11 <spidey> hold on
19:12 <spidey> resend it when spidey|2 joins
19:12 <Lucifer_arma> FIX YOUR FUCKIN' MOUSE!
19:12 <spidey> i can't
19:12 <spidey> i gotta buy a new one
19:12 -!- spidey|2 [n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
19:12 <spidey|2> k send it
19:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=60101#60101
19:14 <spidey|2> API ?
19:14 <spidey|2> wouldn't that stop you from adding it to nix versions?
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's open source and made for linux, how would it stop us?
19:14 <spidey|2> linux doesn't support api calls.....
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> crackbaby
19:14 <spidey|2> ?
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> api = application programming interface
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's a concept, not an implementation
19:15 <spidey|2> oh,i thought it ment like the windows api calls :p
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters, linux supports shared objects
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, Windows API is a specific API
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> :)
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> OpenGL is an API for 3d programming
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> etc
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> but api is basically fancy words for "how this part can be talked to"
19:16 <spidey|2> ye
19:16 <spidey|2> a
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> so it can be in a shared library, and the interface to it is called na api, but you also refer to parts of our own program as an api
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> like, the new sound engine I'm talking about, it exposes an API that the rest of the game can use to trigger sound effects
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's its purpose :)
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> when the game is built, though, this api is part of the binary, so it's not a shared library. So API is conceptual in meaning and takes different forms in real life.
19:17 <spidey|2> well,like i said i don't know to much C,i'm reading on it but i really wouldn't know how
19:18 <spidey|2> i could probably edit SDK to do what you want,~maybe~
19:19 <spidey|2> but you'd have to implament it :p
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19:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, the reason I directed you to the post was to show you there is a linux library for uPnP. :)
19:19 <Lucifer_arma> umm, Vanhayes: what's the screenshot supposed to show us?
19:20 <Vanhayes> it didnt work?
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> what didn't work?
19:20 <Vanhayes> can u see the SS?
19:20 * spidey|2 can't use the .3 build untill i get another GFX card
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it just looked like regular inbetween round scoreboard viewing
19:20 <spidey|2> eats the shit outta my fps :<
19:20 <Vanhayes> ? I never noticed that before
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> what? What are you trying to call attention to?
19:21 <Vanhayes> it usually turns your colour?
19:21 <Vanhayes> my team is suposed to be gold
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> to match your team?
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, looks like your team is red and named Vananators
19:21 <Vanhayes> lol ya
19:21 <Vanhayes> actually its Dark orange
19:40 <Vanhayes> #i
19:41 <Vanhayes> #list alias
19:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
19:41 <Vanhayes> #more
19:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
19:42 <spidey|2> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
19:42 <spidey|2> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
19:43 <spidey|2> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:43 <spidey|2> !?
19:43 <spidey|2> #,armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:43 <spidey|2> #armabot
19:43 <armabot> spidey|2: No chance.
19:43 <spidey|2> #armabot
19:43 <armabot> spidey|2: It is possible.
19:43 <spidey|2> ?
19:43 <spidey|2> #help armabo
19:43 <armabot> spidey|2: Error: There is no command "armabo".
19:43 <spidey|2> #help armabot
19:43 <armabot> spidey|2: (armabot <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "eightball $*".
19:44 <Vanhayes> #armabot,
19:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: You're kidding, right?
19:44 <Vanhayes> #insight
19:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: The phenomenal paradigm shifting of the Internet will escalate our future family values.
19:47 <spidey|2> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:47 <spidey|2> #help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:47 <armabot> spidey|2: (armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\: <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "".
19:47 <spidey|2> heh
19:50 <Vanhayes> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:50 -!- dlh``` [n=dlh```@a1174.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit []
19:52 <Vanhayes> #digg
19:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Wine Doors opens Windows under Linux || U.S. Mad Cow Cases Result From Rare Strain || PS3 to support free online gaming, and Sony plans e-distribution service || TechEd 2006: Hybrid hard drives to become Vista Premium requirement || Report: High Schools Fail To Meet Needs Of Tech-Driven World || Free PHP and Oracle Manual is Available || Off-Grid Man Jailed For Confronting (5 more messages)
20:28 <Your_mom_arma> wow, center turned and tried to circle around me and tk me when i ran away he called me a (explative deleted) idiot noob
20:28 <Vanhayes> CT fort?
20:28 <Your_mom_arma> yeah dont tell me that was you
20:28 <Vanhayes> No but that is what it is like there usually
20:40 <spidey> heh
20:40 <spidey> was his about 13 minutes ago?
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21:22 <Vanhayes> #fortune
21:22 <armabot> Random Fortune: "What was the self-sacrifice? " || "I jettisoned half of a much loved and I think || irreplaceable pair of shoes. " || "Why was that self-sacrifice? " || "Because they were mine! " said Ford crossly. || "I think we have different value systems. " || "Well mine's better. " || "That's according to your... oh never mind. "
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21:29 <Vanhayes> #good night
21:29 <Vanhayes> #night
21:29 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
21:30 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034180113.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
21:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: I managed to get half a mark on that sum question :)
21:43 * wrtlprnft is surprised k isn't used on freenode yet O_o
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21:43 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
21:45 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man I propose we try each of the experimental changes again a while after 0.2.8.3 is out to see if they work better with client support ;)
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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21:49 <spidey|2> anyone know any torrent sites :/
21:49 <spidey|2> thepiratebay.org got shutdown :<
21:52 <wrtlprnft> http://knopper.net
21:52 <wrtlprnft> knoppix torrent :P
21:52 <spidey|2> i can't read that,lol
21:53 <wrtlprnft> http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
21:53 <wrtlprnft> http://knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html to be exact
21:54 <wrtlprnft> there you have a torrent
21:54 <spidey|2> http://r.pm0.net/s/c?386.gj2n.6.7olo.56y2x
21:56 <spidey|2> John likes 400 but not 300; he likes 100 but not 99; he likes 3600 but not 3700. Which does he like?
21:56 <spidey|2> o_O
21:58 <Vanhayes> http://www.torrentportal.com/
21:58 <Vanhayes> http://www.torrentbox.com/
21:58 <Vanhayes> those ones work good for me
21:59 <spidey|2> wtf
22:00 <spidey|2> Aboy is 4 years old and his sister is three times as old as he is. When the boy is 12 years old, how old will his sister be?
22:00 <spidey|2> the answer is 36 right?
22:00 <Vanhayes> no
22:00 <spidey|2> :|
22:00 <Vanhayes> she will be 20
22:00 <spidey|2> well,twice as old is 24
22:01 <spidey|2> how?
22:01 <spidey|2> nvm
22:01 <Vanhayes> 3 times as old as 4
22:01 <spidey|2> >.>
22:01 <Vanhayes> lol
22:01 <spidey|2> yea yea,lol
22:01 <spidey|2> i did 12*3
22:01 <spidey|2> when it's 12+6
22:01 <spidey|2> 'er
22:01 <spidey|2> 12+89
22:02 <spidey|2> 8!
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> gj wrtlprnft
22:06 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:06 <wrtlprnft> anyways, want me to add that option to the camera code now?
22:07 <wrtlprnft> the one for relative/absolute glancing dirs?
22:11 <spidey|2> marisa: i dont see y u wont try it
22:11 <spidey|2> spidey: how many times are you gonna ask me to join a crew....
22:11 <spidey|2> marisa: plz
22:11 <spidey|2> marisa:
22:11 <spidey|2> spidey: no
22:11 <spidey|2> marisa: ur GREAT!!!!!!!!!
22:12 <spidey|2> marisa: almost the best
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> 24
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> 3*4 = 12
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> 12+12 = 24
22:15 <spidey|2> no
22:16 <spidey|2> the boy's 8 years older....so add 8 years to the sisters age
22:16 <spidey|2> i think :/
22:16 * spidey|2 is waiting for the iq test to prove he's fucking stupid
22:16 <spidey|2> so who knows x
22:16 <spidey|2> xD
22:18 <Vanhayes> its 3*4+8=20
22:18 <wrtlprnft> boy is four years => girl is 12
22:18 <Vanhayes> yes
22:18 <wrtlprnft> boy grows 8 years older, sister grows 8 years older
22:18 <Vanhayes> but when the boy is 12
22:18 <wrtlprnft> => 20 :)
22:19 <spidey|2> that question was confusing is all :s
22:19 <wrtlprnft> then the boy is 12 and the girl is 20 :)
22:19 <Vanhayes> Exactally
22:19 <wrtlprnft> the canadians solved it!
22:19 <spidey|2> lol
22:19 <Vanhayes> #canada
22:19 <armabot> 4
22:19 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:20 <spidey|2>
22:20 <spidey|2> lol
22:20 <spidey|2> test
22:21 <spidey|2> 00lol
22:21 <spidey|2> mmm
22:25 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
22:25 <wrtlprnft> that's why that double- widget bug is appearing!
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #later tell mazuffer thanks for telling me about that bug with both the incam and the normal cockpit appearing at once. The problem was that there was a new camera mode added, and you entered that after incam. The cockpit didn't handle it and just displayed all widgets out of confusion, therefore the chaos. It's fixed in SVN, so the next dev snapshot will have it :)
22:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: details? this sounds like something we need to get into 0.3.0?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> #texas
22:52 <armabot> 1
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> #texas
22:53 <armabot> Texas > Canada
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, canadians doing math while americans eat dinner
22:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://www.mazuffer.com/temp/screenshot_5.png
22:54 <GodTodd> lucifer: how many credit hours are you taking per full semester?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> that's what it loos like in mercam mode with the default cockpit...
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, that's weird. What's mercam mode?
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: last semester I took 13 credit hours
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> next semester I'm looking at 12, 14, or 15, depending on whether I decide to take a fourth class, and what it is if I do
22:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: try it :P
22:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's fixed tho
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, it might be 11, 14, or 15
22:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:56 <GodTodd> ok....was trying to decide if i should take 4 or 5 classes in august....not sure still
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> my first semester I took 9 credit hours
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I figured I never really had good study habits, and I wanted to start with a lower load so I could focus on good study habits
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> it gave me more time to experiment, and also mitigated any potential damages that screwing up might have caused :)
22:58 <GodTodd> i'm thinking that too...but then my mind says it's going to take for-freaking-ever to get my degree if i take a lower load
22:58 <wrtlprnft> the function of the time I spend doing schoolwork at home vs the grade I'm in has a limit of 0
22:58 <GodTodd> inner conflict and all that ;)
22:58 <wrtlprnft> as the grade goes to oo
22:59 <GodTodd> looking at trig and c++ for sure....then choosing all or some of US History, TX History and US Government
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's very little difference the first semester is going to make in how long it takes, imo it's more important to start off on the right foot than to blow away a bunch of credit hours
22:59 <GodTodd> true...
23:00 * Lucifer_arma wonders what an infinite grade looks like
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: expect that to change when you reach college. :) If you go, that is.
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> around here, they stuff so much material that if you don't study, you miss a lot of what you were taught. None of those high school baby steps. :)
23:00 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'll end up in university after i finish school in germany
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I'd expect both trig and c++ to carry a pretty good workload even for someone who already knows it all
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> my trig class was pretty easy, though, I could do all the homework for it in about an hour on sunday
23:01 <GodTodd> true...i might just do those and TX History
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> Now history I was really paranoid with, and if you were taking teachers I'd taken I could give you better info :)
23:01 * wrtlprnft hopes one of the c++ projects GodTodd will have to do is write a formula parser
23:02 <wrtlprnft> pass it to arma when you're finished ;)
23:02 <GodTodd> :D
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the problem was that I could see the teacher really loading you down with studying dates and names and figures and crap
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> if the teacher did that to me, I'm fucked. So I totally went overboard studying for my first history test.
23:02 <GodTodd> heh i have to take java for my degree and even tho c++ isn't technically required it is a prereq for java
23:03 <GodTodd> i can handle history ok
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> but by the time I finished my history sequence, I was just attending, taking notes, reading the book, and then skimming my notes the night before the test
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> I think the real question is always "do they test on rote recall or skills?"
23:03 <GodTodd> very true
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> Because if they test skills (comprehension in history/government classes), I can ace that shit pretty simply
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> if they want rote recall....well, I need to spend some time with it
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's how I'm wired. :)
23:04 <GodTodd> :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> I wound up with teachers that tested skills, and have concluded that most teachers at ACC probably test on skills rather than rote recall
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> There's always some rote recall involved, mind you. :)
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> Luckily, that means I can vary the amount of homework and studying I do.
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> I guess you really need to just take a few classes to get a feel for how they're going to be paced and how much work will be needed,
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> and to some extent you already know from previous schooling
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> the only catch is that you're in a different school, different teachers, different goals, and that's going to influence the classes you take, what you get out of them, and what
23:05 <GodTodd> true....i've taken college courses in 2 other states as well ;)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> you're expected to put into them
23:06 <GodTodd> right
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you don't need a whole semester to calibrate? I actually spent two semesters on that step, now I'm hitting full-bore as much as I can handle (or think I can)
23:06 <GodTodd> i think i'm going to stuff precal into wintermester
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> so, in january?
23:07 <GodTodd> right
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, we call that Spring
23:07 <GodTodd> heh we call the one that STARTS in january Spring ;)
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh, oh yeah. That's right, we do actually turn our heaters on for a few hours in january, don't we?
23:08 <GodTodd> wintermester starts right before winter break and ends a week before Spring starts
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> so calc 1 in the summer? :)
23:08 <GodTodd> Spring
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, you can double up on precal and trig quite easily
23:09 <GodTodd> not here
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> they won't let you?!?!?
23:09 <GodTodd> precal is a PREreq here
23:09 <GodTodd> errr
23:09 <GodTodd> trig is
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> well of course, but, uhhhhh
23:09 <GodTodd> trig is a prereq for precal
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> you won't need it right away, and you'll have covered it when you do need it :)
23:09 <GodTodd> can't coreq
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, here it's a prereq, but taking the two together is permitted and considered satisfying the prereq
23:10 <GodTodd> i'll doublecheck...probably call the advisors....
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder what happens if you ace precal and flunk trig, though
23:10 <GodTodd> lol
23:10 <GodTodd> retake trig
23:10 <GodTodd> *shrug*
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. :)
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the other thing you probably already know, check out the teachers a lot. :)
23:10 <GodTodd> IF i can coreq them then still calc 1 in Spring
23:11 <GodTodd> yep
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> I pick kids with good work ethics and good grades and generally take what they say about their teachers to heart and think about it
23:11 <GodTodd> so no biggie if i can't
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> but those lazy little fucks that whine about having to do homework in the first place? Nah, I'll avoid the teachers they like.
23:11 <GodTodd> yep
23:11 <GodTodd> i know those ropes
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> I can't see you (or anybody) doing precal and calc 1 at the same time
23:11 <GodTodd> nope
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> everything that's in precal really is a prereq for calc 1
23:12 <GodTodd> wouldn't have to....if they offer it in wintermester that is
23:12 <GodTodd> yep
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> so they have a separate wintermester? That's odd....heh
23:12 <GodTodd> we have 5 semesters (unless you count summer as 3)...Fall, Winter, Spring, May, Summer
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'll bet there's actually something like that at acc, but it'll be different
23:13 <GodTodd> it's like having an additional Summer I & II a year
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> we have the standard 3 semesters where fall and spring are 14 week semesters, then summer is 11 weeks
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> then they have an 8 week term for both fall and spring, and a 3.5 week term for the summer
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> *5.5
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> seems like they could squeeze out 5 terms with those iddy-bitty terms, but not out of the long terms
23:14 <GodTodd> ahhhh....so kinda the same thing...just different ;)
23:14 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with 15
23:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [22:56:25] <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, it might be 11, 14, or 15
23:14 <wrtlprnft> that's 18 minutes ago now and I'm tired ;)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and they do have two 8-week terms in a row in the spring, which now tht i think aabout it is a 16-week semester
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> hey, ummm
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> your_mom's got a crash when he leaves local game. That spells branch to me.
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: your_mom has lots of weird errors
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> what's the possibility you could straighten out the columns in the scoreboard? You say you already fixed the mercam thing? I don't think we'll be able to just turn the alpha into 0.3.0
23:16 <wrtlprnft> we need an opengl guy for that
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's more or less 0 right now...
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> not really, he has one problem that I know of, which is the game crashing when he quits. The mechanism that changes the screen resolution when the game crashes doesn't work too well, that's his other problem
23:16 <wrtlprnft> the trouble is that it's not a real table
23:17 <wrtlprnft> and real table support has a long way to go
23:17 <wrtlprnft> anything like a debug recording?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, I recognize his symptoms, and it's probably something in the sound engine, to be honest
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like a debug recording, just haven't asked him for one yet
23:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't think i changed anything that could make arma crash on exit ;)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so the mercam screenshot I'm looking at right now is fixed though?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Commit by wrtlprnft :: r4885 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/ (cCockpit.cpp cCockpit.h):
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Fixed the bug that all widgets would appear in mercam mode. There just wasn't any handling for it, added it.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then it looks like the only thing terrible in the alpha right now is a crash. Which, to be honest, if it's just a crash when exiting local game I might be willing to blow off
23:20 <wrtlprnft> I added the font size factor thing
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> that was it, you said you were tired and I wanted to catch that before you took off :)
23:21 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:21 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's good, people will be happy about that one
23:21 <wrtlprnft> then the forbid stuff, silly should be happy now
23:33 <GodTodd> wtf....not even offering precal for math and science in fall :/
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23:48 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: check the alpha thread, I responded to your crash thing
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> every time i leave a local game it crashes
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> its not sometimes its all the time
Log from 2006-06-14:
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00:00 <Your_mom_arma> hmm i turned off bots in local game and i actually got a crash pop up
00:00 <Your_mom_arma> after trying to leave that is
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> how about on a server? fine there? server with bots? fine then, too?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> this feels like a crash that was fixed, and I suspect it's a case of someone accidentally clobbering someone else's fix
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> happens sometimes. :)
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> it might very well be a new crash, though, which worries me a bit.
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> on a server with players no crash
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> server with bots no crash
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> Hitting the {bound} play button after creating and placing {ex.} C:\blah.m3u into the proper prompt the game crashes
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00:31 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like a sound engine crash to me
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> how many and what types of sound files are in the .m3u file?
00:32 <Your_mom_arma> 9 mp
00:32 <Your_mom_arma> 3's
00:38 <z-man-home> Trunk compilation seems broken, Lucifer_arma, wrtlprnft, know anything?
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: not me, other than wrtlprnft was working on the trunk earlier
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> what's broken?
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: hmmm....
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> aha. did you restart it after you put the playlist in the config?
00:39 <z-man-home> The configuration system. nSettingItem uses private stuff from tConfigItem
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> really?
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> er
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> how? (me and Luke-Jr are having a "discussion" aobut private members)
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> I *think* wrtlprnft was doing something with config, but I don't know that he was in the system itself.
00:41 <z-man-home> Well, it doesn't use them. It properly fails to compile. :)
00:41 <z-man-home> It's a callback function typedef that is used.
00:41 <z-man-home> Aww, anyway, it's an easy fix.
00:42 <Your_mom_arma> zman you where right about ztrick
00:42 <z-man-home> hehe, ok. Time to get rid of that 'feature' :)
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> no luci i didnt restart it although i noticed that clears the prompt
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: I'm going to have to say from my googling that uPnP has enough penetration to support at most 20 hours of development time spent on supporting it ourselves
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: umm, if it crashed, the setting wasn't saved. :) Try again, but this time restart before starting the music. So put in the playlist, quit, then restart and hit play.
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: there might be justification for more work on it, but most of what I found was "uPnP is great! Everybody has it!". So, nothing objective :)
00:44 -!- SuPeRTaRD [n=blah@adsl-71-145-139-15.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:45 <z-man-home> So you did a google fight between "uPnP rocks" and "uPnP sucks"?
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> and that "at most" figure is supposed to include supporting it over a couple of years, it assumes the underlying api we'd use that I linked is well-supported in and of itself
00:45 <Your_mom_arma> luci still crashed
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "uPnP rocks" "uPnP sucks"
00:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: uPnP rocks: 92400, uPnP sucks: 36000
00:46 <Luke-Jr> BTW, should engine noise block 0.3.0?
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: no, we decided that awhile back :)
00:46 <spidey|2> Congratulations, Spidey!
00:46 <spidey|2> Your IQ score is 106
00:46 <spidey|2> does that mean i'm smart or stupid?
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> slightly above average
00:46 <spidey|2> sweet
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> so you're not in the dumb half of the world :)
00:46 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: aww, I miss it =p
00:46 <spidey|2> :D
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I hope to bring it back in the next couple of months. :) 0.3.2 will have it for sure, I suspect, if not it should probably block by then, but 0.3.1....depends on how quickly we make development releases.
00:47 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you know, 50% of the world is dumber than average... ;)
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> actually, that's not quite true :)
00:47 <Luke-Jr> I know
00:47 <Luke-Jr> it'd be true w/ a median
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's fun to say, I know...
00:48 <Luke-Jr> but the dumber half won't know what a median is
00:48 <spidey|2> heh
00:48 <spidey|2> a median is?
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey|2: what's a median?
00:48 <spidey|2> lmao
00:48 <Luke-Jr> in reality, I bet it's more like 90% are dumber than avg =p
00:48 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: still crashed
00:48 <spidey|2> something that seaperates something ;D
00:48 <spidey|2> like on the highway :p
00:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:48 <Luke-Jr> point in case
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: this sounds pretty bad, actually.
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> Any windows users here try to use the ingame music in the alpha?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> besides Your_mom_arma...
00:49 <spidey|2> there's ingame music in alpha?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> sorta...heh
00:49 <Luke-Jr> median
00:49 <Luke-Jr> adj 1: relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered
00:49 <Luke-Jr> set of values (or the average of the middle two in an
00:49 <Luke-Jr> even-numbered set); "the median value of 17, 20, and
00:49 <Luke-Jr> 36 is 20"; "the median income for the year was
00:49 <spidey|2> there's a windows alpha build?
00:49 <Luke-Jr> $15,000" [syn: median(a), average]
00:49 <spidey|2> or wait,i think i got that
00:49 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's an ingame player, but you really have to put your own playlist in there to use it
00:50 <Luke-Jr> you do?
00:50 <Luke-Jr> I hit Next and Play
00:50 <Luke-Jr> and it plays fortresswalk
00:50 <Luke-Jr> no configuration
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> really?
00:50 <Luke-Jr> yep
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> that, uhhh, surprises me, haha
00:50 <Luke-Jr> hehe
00:50 * Lucifer_arma thought he disabled it
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> well ok then z-man-home, no reason to feel bad for including those in there.
00:50 <Luke-Jr> I was actually expecting that the bug was it didn't play when the match started
00:51 <Luke-Jr> eg, if no custom playlist, it used an internal one
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> there is a bug that it won't start playing when you join a game anymore that is probably another clobbered change from the past that I decided to blow off for now
00:51 <Luke-Jr> brb
00:51 <spidey|2> dude
00:51 <spidey|2> i didn't know there was a windows .3 build.....
00:51 <Vanhayes> spidey|2: I wouldn't put much stock into IQ tests, I took one a couple years back and got a 119.
00:51 <z-man-home> Hey, I get the crash already when I hit "Next".
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> you think we're releasing an actual versioned release, however unstable, without a windows release? *that* would hae been a showstopper :)
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, while we're comparing cocks....
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:52 <spidey|2> this integrated graphics can handle that better than the one with nix can :/
00:52 * spidey|2 downloads it
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: you getting the crash in linux?!?
00:53 <z-man-home> May be a different crash :)
00:53 <z-man-home> But I hit the previously unbound "Next Track" button, and get an instant crash.
00:53 <spidey|2> Vanhayes, the last time i took one i got a 89
00:53 <spidey|2> i think
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> it might be, but as you know, pretty much everyone running off the trunk tht's not developers are in linux, and the music player's been there long enough to be fairly well tested
00:53 <spidey|2> and i was like 12
00:53 <Vanhayes> ya they arnt very reliable
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> even if I can't remember what I changed, haha
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> can you get a callstack?
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: can *you* get a callstack?
00:54 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
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00:54 <z-man-home> Well, it's a NULL pointer dereferencing of m_GameTrack
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh is that all it is
00:54 <z-man-home> Yes
00:54 * Lucifer_arma growls
00:55 <z-man-home> #0 0x0817412c in eMusicTrack::Next (this=0x0) at eMusicTrackSDLMixer.cpp:267
00:55 <z-man-home> #1 0x0816b8af in eSoundMixer::Music_next_song (x=1) at eSoundMixer.cpp:735
00:55 <z-man-home> #2 0x081b88fb in uActionGlobalFunc::GlobalAct (act=0x82d1500, x=1) at uInput.cpp:909
00:55 <Your_mom_arma> z-man-home: is there anyway to turn off the camera tilt when grinding?
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> part of my problem here is that my computer is seriously thrashed, so I can't build and test right now, and I can't fix it until next week or so
00:55 <z-man-home> Don't ask me, I didn't touch it.
00:56 <z-man-home> Well, I can add the NULL pointer check myself no problem.
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's a broken playlist thing
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> if(! m_Playlist->empty() ) { <--- line 267 of eMusicTrackSDLMixer.cpp
01:00 <z-man-home> Your_mom_arma: Maybe "Int. camera Movement: Off"?
01:00 <z-man-home> Well, but the this pointer at this point is already NULL.
01:00 <z-man-home> Look at the callstack function arguments.
01:01 <z-man-home> Music_next_song dereferences m_GameTrack, which is NULL.
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I see that. so why does it go into the function then?
01:01 <z-man-home> Because C++ doesn't check for NULL pointers.
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> m_GameTrack is *never* supposed to be null
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> heh thanks zman
01:01 <z-man-home> That's for Wusses :)
01:02 <z-man-home> If it never is supposed to be NULL, it shouldn't be a plain pointer.
01:02 <z-man-home> Can't it be a regular member variable?
01:02 <spidey|2> well,my fps stay at 59 on this computer,on the other one (the nix) they drop to 27 or lower :(
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> m_GameTrack = new eMusicTrack(); <--- in eSoundMixer::Init()
01:02 * z-man-home checks whether that bit is called
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's line 311
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose it can be a regular member variable. Playlists can be quite large, and ultimately an eMusicTrack might be quite large, so I wanted it on the heap
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> and at the time (and even now, but at least now I know that I should look around a lot more) I had no clue what classes to use for smarter pointers :)
01:06 <z-man-home> Mix_OpenAudio returns 333618457, and ::Init() exits thereafter. It doesn't pass the creation.
01:06 <z-man-home> Maybe move the creation somewhere where it is always executed?
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, Mix_OpenAudio is supposed to return 0 when it's successful, anything else means something's broke
01:10 <spidey|2> heh
01:10 <spidey|2> tron made first in te most active projects in the caregory of "hack"
01:10 <spidey|2> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hack
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> can you change the Mix_OpenAudio call to have MIX_DEFAULT_FORMAT instead of AUDIO_whateveristhere ?
01:12 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: well, my soundcard isn't working half of the time
01:12 <z-man-home> I'll try
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> if that doesn't work, the null pointer checks need to be made.....
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> starting line 646 is where all the input handlers are
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> inside the switch() statement, right after case GRID_TRACK
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's 7 methods total there, pretty clearly named :)
01:15 <z-man-home> Still the same return value
01:15 * Lucifer_arma adds to his todo list "allow sound to be disabled"
01:16 * Lucifer_arma thought he'd already done that, must be early senility setting in.
01:16 <z-man-home> There are lots of other dereferencings, not only from the GUI functions, it seems.
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> 333618457 <--- is this -1 when a signed int?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> there are, but the GUI ones are the dangerous ones. If you know of a template or some other magic that lets you just fix it in one place, knock yourself out :)
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the GUI ones are the dangerous ones because those are the ones that actually get run
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma's crash is probably caused in the Update() method where the mode is supposed to be switched from GRID_TRACK to GUI_TRACK
01:18 <z-man-home> I'm just thinking that "a pointer that NEVER should be NULL" shouldn't be initialized only after initialization of something nonessential succeeded :)
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=3291 <- how armagetron looks to me right now
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's only the sound library failing to initialize, heh
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, the alternative is to move the initialization to before that call...duh...
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> in fct, you should move the whole block starting from line 298 and ending at line 311 to right before that call
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> that block is probably independent enough to put even at the beginning of the init method if you really want
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> you need the tDirectories call on line 292 too
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's a beautiful lavendar there, mom
01:23 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> what are the bar gauges?
01:25 * Lucifer_arma wants a circular gauge so he can make an analog clock
01:25 <Your_mom_arma> same here
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> brake rubber and speed i can never find a guage when i need to so the more i have the more likely i'll find it "you can never find the horn when your angry"
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> im still messing around with stuff the documentation is hard to parse and is missing pieces
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it hadn't even occured to me to make multiple gauges. I just stuck my gauges up in the middle of the screen, and so far everyone that's used my cockpit says the gauges obstruct the view :)
01:29 <spidey|2> ...
01:29 <spidey|2> luci,how do you install a cycle mod :/
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> model, you mean?
01:30 <spidey|2> yea,make it look different
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> you're going to need a moviepack for that :)
01:30 <spidey|2> got one
01:30 <spidey|2> but i never could figure it out
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> you want to isntall the moviepack?
01:30 <spidey|2> yer
01:31 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: I'll handle this later. No time now.
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> unzip it into armagetronad/moviepack and turn moviepack on from misc
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks
01:32 <spidey|2> that's it?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I was looking for the wiki page on installing moviepacks :)
01:32 <Your_mom_arma> yep
01:32 <z-man-home> Moving the block removed the crashes, but there are memory leaks then. Maybe the uninitialization function needs a look, too.
01:32 <spidey|2> didn't work :/
01:32 <spidey|2> done tried it
01:32 <Your_mom_arma> the textures are inside of /moviepack?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> frequently moviepacks are in zip files that contain a moviepack directory, so you'd unzip it in armagetronad instead
01:32 <spidey|2> yea,i put everything in /moviepack
01:33 <spidey|2> it didn't have a moviepack dir in the zip,so i made one :p
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Customizing_the_game
01:34 <spidey|2> read that
01:34 <spidey|2> it doesn't even try to load the movie pack,it uses the default one
01:35 <spidey|2> heh,nvm
01:35 <spidey|2> after i restarted it the third time it loaded it
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> which moviepack you running?
01:38 <spidey|2> the matrix one
01:38 <spidey|2> on the linux version of .3 i changed a setting that made the zone have transparent sides
01:39 <spidey|2> i can't remember which one it was,you know?
01:40 <spidey|2> ahh
01:40 <spidey|2> turn alpha blending off
01:40 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:41 <spidey|2> hmm
01:41 <spidey|2> in a certain view,there's 2 of everything
01:41 <spidey|2> the minimap/gauges
01:42 <Your_mom_arma> yeah incam
01:42 <spidey|2> no
01:42 <spidey|2> it's a overhead angeled view
01:42 <spidey|2> incam has only 1 of everything
01:47 <Your_mom_arma> luci whats that white bar do in your cockpit file?
01:51 <Your_mom_arma> spidey your in windows .3 alpha right?
01:52 <Your_mom_arma> play a local game and then hit esc and leave grid tell me if it takes you to the menu or crashes to desktop
01:55 <spidey|2> yea
01:55 <spidey|2> k
01:55 <spidey|2> sec
01:55 <spidey|2> nope
01:55 <spidey|2> doesn't crash
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: which bar is it? I don't notice colors :)
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> the bar on the left is brake, the right is velocity, and under that is acceleration
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> the top is fps, and I think that's all the bars I have
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01:58 <Lucifer_arma> the crash seems to be happening on machines where sdl_mixer isn't able to initialize for some reason, and that error isn't handled very well at all
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02:00 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> just like old times.. ;p
02:01 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> my team naturally won..
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02:01 <Your_mom_arma> velocity
02:02 <Your_mom_arma> bbiab
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02:07 <Luke-Jr> some ideas
02:07 <Luke-Jr> 1. make tails disappear based on time, not length-- thus, faster means longer tails
02:07 <Luke-Jr> 2. a mode where your own walls can't kill you-- instead, you cut them short
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> 1 - I've been wanting for awhile
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> 2 - particularly neat if the part that's cut off responds to wall_delay
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> 2 - also neat if everyone grinding on the part of your wall that's cut is instantly killed :)
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02:18 <Luke-Jr> 2a- what's wall_delay? :/
02:18 <Luke-Jr> 2b- optionally
02:18 <Luke-Jr> 1- is it difficult?
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> the one that determines how long your walls stay up after you die before being dropped
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how hard any of it is :)
02:18 * Luke-Jr notes it's not mentioned in language/english_base nor arma --doc
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> it might be called something else, and I'm just ass wrong on the name?
02:19 <Luke-Jr> well
02:19 <Luke-Jr> you'd die if they didn't drop immediately...
02:20 <Luke-Jr> 3. No-Wall zones where you cannot draw walls inside
02:20 <Luke-Jr> 4. Delete-Wall zones which delete your past walls (up to a certain length?) while inside
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> 3 is planned in philippe's zone model
02:21 <Luke-Jr> 5. Seperate effects out of zones, and apply to walls also
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, you didn't define cut. I assumed like a knife :) . An explosion of the wall could be used to cut too, and those would allow the wall delay thing to work
02:21 <Luke-Jr> 5 eg. Walls default to effect 'kill', but can be reassigned to 'delete-wall:unlimited length'
02:22 * Lucifer_arma wonders if walls should be remade into zone derivatives
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02:22 <Luke-Jr> Zone and Wall need a common parent, I think
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> besides eGameObject? ;)
02:22 <Luke-Jr> Wall being a generic 2D instance
02:22 <Luke-Jr> eGameObject doesn't implement effects
02:22 <Luke-Jr> nor should it, I think
02:23 <Luke-Jr> wait, no
02:23 <Luke-Jr> Wall would be 1D
02:23 <Luke-Jr> Zone would be 2D
02:25 <Luke-Jr> non-death effects on a Wall depends on CSS-- in particular, an opaque flag
02:25 <Luke-Jr> opacity*
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02:28 <Your_mom_arma> so luci do you need a recording to fix the problem or is it related to the sound problem?
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02:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost certainly the sound problem
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> how do sound effects sound to you?
02:29 <Your_mom_arma> the opening music works ingame i dont here anything then i hear a pop when i try to exit and it crashes
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> so no sound effects in game?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> what I suspect is that for people who don't have crashes, sound works fine, but for people who do have crashes, they'll report unusual sounds of varying sorts
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> pretty much
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> note that there's no cycle engine sound right now, you should still hear grinding, turning, explosions, an announcer that says 3,2,1, a whistle on Go!, and a zone spawn noise
02:33 * Lucifer_arma curses SDL's sound api. It's not SDL_mixer's fault we don't get real error reporting!
02:40 <Luke-Jr> we need other announcer yells
02:41 <Luke-Jr> like um
02:41 <Luke-Jr> "Mega Kill"
02:41 <Luke-Jr> =p
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> YES. We do. :)
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> killing spree
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> There's a wiki page with a list, feel free to add whatever other announcer yells you want, maybe even with some text to explain the conditions under which they'll be used
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> It's in the development docs page somewhere
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: branched 0.3.0, the sound thingee tipped it over
02:43 <z-man> Ok, based on the current trunk code?
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: the branch removes any urgency you might feel, if you'd like, and I'll get it next week and we'll shoot for next weekend for 0.3.0 (not this coming weekend, that's my calc test)
02:43 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft ok :)
02:43 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
02:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you make announcer yells, I presume? do it in trunk for 0.3.1 =p
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> the current announcer was made by voltsubito, we need a new announcer and it won't be my geeky whiny voice
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: yes, based on current trunk code
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> I got armagetronad, build, and winlibs. Do I need anything else over there?
02:45 <z-man> build_eclipse would be nice. Why didn't you just branch everyting?
02:45 <z-man> (in /root/armagetronad)
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmm
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> hm
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> is multiple custom cams capable of making .3?
02:45 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: um, branches should just be a copy of trunk
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> don't know? ;)
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> (are)
02:45 <Luke-Jr> um
02:45 <Luke-Jr> why do we have a 0.3.0 tag?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: unlikely, we need to think a bit how to do that, I think.
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> mistake? people make those from time to time
02:46 <Luke-Jr> so delete it? =p
02:46 <z-man> Sure.
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> we were going to check with the Historian before deleting it and see if he wanted it bronzed.
02:47 <Luke-Jr> it's still in history =p
02:48 <Luke-Jr> svn rm https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0 && svn cp https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0
02:49 <z-man> No, the branch is fine.
02:49 <z-man> I think, haven't checked it out.
02:49 <Luke-Jr> it's missing a bit
02:49 <Luke-Jr> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/
02:50 <z-man> Oh, that.
02:50 <z-man> I misread the second command, thought you wanted to copy the tag over.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> -r 4887 <--- if you want to redo the branch for my incompetence, please use this revision :)
02:51 <z-man> And it's complete now.
02:51 * Lucifer_arma isn't sure why he's being anal about that
02:51 <Luke-Jr> branches/tags should always be copies of trunk
02:51 <Luke-Jr> consistency
02:51 <z-man> ok, I'll redo it.
02:52 <Luke-Jr> especially here, since it might make a difference in future RCS migrations
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02:52 <Luke-Jr> sjRCSjSCMj
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> no good reason to worry about the revision, I think I'm just being paranoid again
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's the latest revision on the trunk :)
02:53 <Luke-Jr> so, trunk HEAD
02:53 <Luke-Jr> =p
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, doing it piecemeal like I was, it did kinda make a difference, if someone committed to the trunk in the meantime
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> unlikely to break anything, but, well, hmmmm......
02:54 <z-man> It could mess with merging.
02:54 <z-man> And copying the whole is actually cheaper than copying the bits :)
02:55 <z-man> You can also svn cp <local checkout> <URL of branch>
02:55 <z-man> That starts the branch at the exact state of your local checkout, that you previously verified to be in a good state :)
02:56 <z-man> Branch restarted. Nice thing is, svn update only gets the new bits. No need to get fresh checkouts.
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool, so I've gotta get to bed before I fall down. 7 hours sleep in 2 days, this isn't boding well for the rest of the week. 'night.
03:10 <Luke-Jr> o
03:10 <Luke-Jr> I just bought 2 switches =p
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03:10 <Luke-Jr> and a new server
03:11 <Luke-Jr> hopefully aabeta will see a performance increase
03:11 <Luke-Jr> new server is Dual 550 MHz (PowerEdge 6400)
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04:27 * Luke-Jr thinks we should just treat Windows players/developers as second-class >:p
04:27 <Luke-Jr> next time there's a FPS optimization, let's not have it apply to Win
04:35 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: huh ?
04:37 <joda_bot> I guess you're just referening to OpenGL problems, which are mostly driver based ... so it's rather Windows wide range of hardware (and also problematic OpenGL drivers) than the OS ;)
04:49 <Luke-Jr> nah
04:49 <Luke-Jr> I'm referring to sabotaging the game in Win
04:49 <Luke-Jr> #ifdef __WIN32__ makeslower()
04:49 <Luke-Jr> =p
05:05 <Luke-Jr> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
05:05 <Luke-Jr> loading server list
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06:09 <madmax|pt> hello
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06:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, sorry about the compillation error, it didn't fail for me. Must be a bug in gcc 3.4...
06:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey|sleep: the
06:36 <wrtlprnft> oops
06:36 <spidey|sleep> ?
06:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey|sleep: that obe bug you reported is fixed
06:36 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey|2
06:37 <spidey|2> obe?
06:37 <wrtlprnft> the one with both incam and normal gauges appearing
06:37 <spidey|2> oh
06:37 <wrtlprnft> s/obe//
06:37 * wrtlprnft just woke up
06:37 <spidey|2> just thought you might wanna know,i don't use that view anyways :p
06:37 * spidey|2 did too
06:38 <wrtlprnft> that view is kinda new and definitely worth a try as an alternitive to smartcam :)
06:38 <wrtlprnft> it's new
06:39 <wrtlprnft> s/new/neat/
06:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
06:41 <spidey|2> lol
06:41 * spidey|2 wants to go back to sleep
07:12 <spidey|2> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8226/untitled1zo.jpg
07:12 <spidey|2> i love that font
07:13 <spidey|2> umm
07:13 <spidey|2> what's the big yellow line
07:13 <spidey|2> lol
07:14 <wrtlprnft> what the...?
07:14 <spidey|2> not sure
07:15 <wrtlprnft> interesting lagometer...
07:15 <spidey|2> i don't think that was there when i took the shot
07:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
07:15 <spidey|2> yea
07:15 <wrtlprnft> that's for some opengl guru i guess...
07:15 <spidey|2> my lag meters are big
07:15 <wrtlprnft> no clue what's wrong
07:16 <spidey|2> nothing's wrong,heh
07:16 <spidey|2> i was showing the font i love
07:16 <spidey|2> xD
07:16 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
07:16 <spidey|2> but i don't know where that big yellow line came from
07:16 <wrtlprnft> so that's not the normal font?
07:16 <spidey|2> lmao
07:16 <spidey|2> no,it's font_type 4
07:16 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was some rendering error
07:16 <spidey|2> nah
07:16 <spidey|2> looked fine when i took it
07:17 <spidey|2> might be from converting it to a jp
07:17 <spidey|2> jpg
07:17 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: i don't see a yellow line anyways
07:17 <wrtlprnft> it's white
07:17 <spidey|2> what tha
07:17 <spidey|2> how can you not see that!!??
07:17 <spidey|2> it's like almost over the bike
07:18 <spidey|2> it goes weird through the lag meter,then has a white dot
07:18 <spidey|2> in the middle
07:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/tronfont.png
07:19 <spidey|2> yea...
07:19 <spidey|2> that big ass yellow line
07:19 <spidey|2> that goes up
07:19 <spidey|2> then right
07:20 <spidey|2> then down
07:20 <spidey|2> you don't see it?
07:20 <wrtlprnft> it's white!
07:20 <spidey|2> is not!!
07:20 <wrtlprnft> something's wrong with the colors on your screen methinks
07:20 <spidey|2> noooooooooooooo
07:20 <madmax|pt> its a bit yellow
07:20 <spidey|2> see
07:20 <spidey|2> pwn
07:22 <wrtlprnft> o_O
07:23 <madmax|pt> it is, i confirmed with the eyedropper in photoshop
07:23 <madmax|pt> lol
07:23 <spidey|2> see
07:23 <madmax|pt> its this color actually: E6F69D
07:23 <spidey|2> your colors are broke :p
07:23 <madmax|pt> lol
07:23 <spidey|2> xD
07:24 <wrtlprnft> second
07:24 <spidey|2> you got a high contrast setting wrtl ?
07:25 <madmax|pt> its something like Pantone 393 C
07:25 <madmax|pt> lol
07:25 <madmax|pt> solid coated btw
07:26 <wrtlprnft> nope
07:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/tronfont1.png
07:26 <spidey|2> yes
07:26 <spidey|2> that's yellow
07:26 <spidey|2> you're color blind :p
07:26 <spidey|2> that lag meter is white
07:27 <spidey|2> not that line that shouldn't be there :p
07:28 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft, did you saved the image or just made a screenshot of it? something altered between spidey's and yours
07:29 <wrtlprnft> i was making a screenshot of my browser :P
07:29 <madmax|pt> lol, nvm
07:29 <wrtlprnft> nice cockpit, your_mom has
07:29 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=3291
07:29 <spidey|2> Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment
07:29 <spidey|2> lol
07:30 <wrtlprnft> uh, log in on the forums?
07:30 <wrtlprnft> that image is worth it
07:30 <spidey|2> nice
07:31 <wrtlprnft> :)
07:31 <spidey|2> see
07:31 <spidey|2> somethingl ike that wouldn't kill my fps so bad
07:32 <wrtlprnft> what is killing your fps? the cockpit, the font, the sound?
07:32 <spidey|2> the font i think
07:33 <spidey|2> or maybe all the text onscreen
07:33 <wrtlprnft> uh, try the following:
07:33 <wrtlprnft> COCKPUT_FILE asdf
07:33 <wrtlprnft> that disables the cockpit
07:33 <wrtlprnft> (then reset it, of course)
07:33 <wrtlprnft> FONT_TYPE 0
07:34 <wrtlprnft> for the font
07:34 <wrtlprnft> see which one gives you a boost
07:34 <spidey|2> k
07:34 <spidey|2> cockput or cockpit?
07:34 <wrtlprnft> second of course ;)
07:34 <spidey|2> :p
07:35 <spidey|2> :s
07:35 <spidey|2> now there's no onscreen text
07:35 <spidey|2> or gauges
07:36 <madmax|pt> "that disables the cockpit" ?
07:36 <spidey|2> no
07:36 <spidey|2> it disableds the gauges :p
07:36 <spidey|2> and everything else but the talking
07:41 <madmax|pt> any1 know the link to that feature in flickr that you would draw something in a small square and it would search for pictures according to that pattern?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: that IS the cockpit
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07:44 <spidey|2> wrtlprnft, i sooooooooo knew that :s
07:44 * spidey|2 trips z-man-work on his way in
07:45 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: so, what about your framerate
07:45 <spidey|2> i would tell you,but i can't see it :p
07:46 <wrtlprnft> ackackackack
07:46 <spidey|2> lmfao
07:46 <wrtlprnft> make a cockpit file that just has a fps meter?
07:47 <z-man-work> way out, please.
07:47 * spidey|2 trips z-man-work on his way out
07:47 * z-man-work is going home and spidey can trip him again later
07:47 <spidey|2> :D
07:48 * madmax|pt is away: Lunch
07:48 <wrtlprnft> that was a short time of working...
07:53 * wrtlprnft finds spidey|2 waiting next to z-man-work's door at home, preparing to trip him. wrtlprnft kicks spidey|2's ass from behind and runs away
07:53 <spidey|2> lol
07:54 <spidey|2> hey wrtl
07:54 * spidey|2 is looking at your cockpit file
07:55 <wrtlprnft> bb in 20 minutes, sorry
07:55 <spidey|2> k
07:55 <wrtlprnft> but talk, I'll read it in my backlog
07:55 <wrtlprnft> unlile Luke-Jr, wrtlprnft reads his chatlog
07:55 <wrtlprnft> *unlike
07:55 <spidey|2> <Cell><GameData data="enemies" /></Cell>
07:55 <spidey|2> to add color to something like that
07:56 <spidey|2> would i add the hex in that line?
07:58 <spidey|2> ah
07:59 <spidey|2> nvm,i was looking at the wrong cockpit file
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08:17 <spidey|2> :/
08:17 <spidey|2> wrtlprnft, how i get the cockpit back :\
08:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:19 <wrtlprnft> COCKPIT_FILE Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:19 <wrtlprnft> read the message when you change settings ;)
08:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey|2: to add color: <Cell><Text value="0xff000" /><GameData data="enemies" /></Cell>
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08:25 <spidey|2> k
08:25 <spidey|2> how do i reload your cockpit?
08:25 <spidey|2> lol
08:25 <wrtlprnft> mine?
08:25 <spidey|2> oh
08:25 <spidey|2> yea
08:26 <wrtlprnft> COCKPIT_FILE wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:26 * wrtlprnft should really change the name of this cockpit...
08:26 <wrtlprnft> it's not in testing anymore ;)
08:26 <spidey|2> whoa
08:27 <wrtlprnft> press the first cockpit key tu turn off the map
08:27 <spidey|2> that's the one with virtical gauges and the big ass map
08:27 <spidey|2> lol
08:27 <wrtlprnft> *to
08:27 <wrtlprnft> and the second one to dim the rendering
08:28 <spidey|2> which one is one with the small map?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> the default one?
08:28 <spidey|2> yea
08:28 <wrtlprnft> and lucifer's one
08:28 <spidey|2> ah
08:29 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with standard
08:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [08:19:15] <wrtlprnft> COCKPIT_FILE Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:29 <spidey|2> lol
08:29 <spidey|2> failed to load the lucifer\sick
08:30 <wrtlprnft> and Lucifer's: COCKPIT_FILE Lucifer/sick/Playroom-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:30 <wrtlprnft> and the "classic" one: cockpit_file wrtlprnft/classic-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:30 <spidey|2> ah
08:30 <spidey|2> here we go
08:31 <wrtlprnft> that's all there is in the included resources
08:31 <spidey|2> erm
08:31 <spidey|2> that's not the one either
08:31 <wrtlprnft> I'd like to include your_mom's, too
08:31 <spidey|2> you saw the one i had before didn't you?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> the one on the screenshot?
08:31 <spidey|2> yea
08:31 <wrtlprnft> that was the standard one
08:31 <spidey|2> ohhh
08:32 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with standard --without last
08:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [08:31:48] <wrtlprnft> that was the standard one
08:32 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:32 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with standard --without last --with aacockpit
08:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [08:19:15] <wrtlprnft> COCKPIT_FILE Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:32 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
08:32 <armabot> spidey: 15:32:13 up 53 days, 15:37, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
08:33 <spidey|2> ningo
08:33 <spidey|2> thanks :D
08:33 <wrtlprnft> yw
08:33 <wrtlprnft> make your own one if you don't like the provided ones :P
08:33 <wrtlprnft> and don't forget them to the official resource repository *sic*
08:34 <wrtlprnft> *don't forget to commit them
08:34 * wrtlprnft should get more sleep
08:49 <GodTodd> hmmm....how come it won't load my playlist?....i must be doing something stupid heh
08:57 <spidey|2> z-man-home, you're the coach right?
08:57 <z-man-home> Well, yes.
08:57 <spidey|2> lmao
08:57 <z-man-home> But it's quite hopeless
08:57 <z-man-home> MAMA shows no sign of listening
08:57 <spidey|2> you should have told them who you was,then kicked 'em all xD
08:58 * z-man-home feels like taking names
08:59 <spidey|2> it was psyko that polled you :p
09:02 <z-man-home> And the vote was quite unanimous
09:03 * spidey|2 voted against xD
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09:11 <z-man-home> Ok, perhaps it's better to just call yourself "Coach" when coaching, most players don't really read names fully.
09:11 * z-man-home wonders why the imposters make the effort to exchange l for 1 if "Deine X" is mistaken for "X's Coach"
09:12 <spidey|2> lol
09:18 <madmax|pt> z-man-home, did you actually did something that worth the poll?
09:18 <z-man-home> I chose the wrong name :)
09:18 <spidey|2> lol
09:19 <madmax|pt> i just had someone turning back to the gold zone (while i defended) for 5 rounds
09:19 <madmax|pt> i said "dont turn back" some times
09:19 <madmax|pt> and...
09:19 <madmax|pt> nothing
09:19 <madmax|pt> heh
09:20 <madmax|pt> i think new players get amazed of whats happening and dont quite pay attention to the chat
09:20 <madmax|pt> lol
09:21 <spidey|2> lol
09:27 <z-man-home> I wonder whether there is room for a "driving school" feature where the coach can control the player's bike in emergency situations :)
09:27 <z-man-home> bbl
09:27 <madmax|pt> lol
09:27 <madmax|pt> that would be interesting
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09:28 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
09:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 72°F / 22°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM WEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Rain. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Chance of Rain. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Chance of (1 more message)
09:28 <madmax|pt> #more
09:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.;
09:29 <madmax|pt> Light Thunderstorms my ass
09:29 <madmax|pt> lol
09:34 <madmax|pt> #weather Oporto
09:34 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Oporto".
09:35 <madmax|pt> #weather Porto
09:35 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Could not find weather information.
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09:48 <madmax|pt> hello Vanhayes
09:48 <Vanhayes> Hey madmax
10:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does it make sense to have TFTs with <16ms?
10:09 * joda_bot thinks newbies just need much rubber to think about their moves :)
10:10 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Read Tomshardware about that, if you accept the losing some colors
10:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
10:12 <joda_bot> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/27/the_spring_2006_lcd_collection/page45.html
10:12 <joda_bot> Current recommendations
10:13 <joda_bot> Also have a look at http://www.prad.de/en/
10:13 <joda_bot> If you have picked your model, they usually have good customer reviews of most popular tfts
10:14 <joda_bot> even some exotic ones ;), but you'll need luck
10:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmm...
10:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that doesn't answer my question
10:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does it make sense to have less than 16ms?
10:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'd say no...
10:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> iirc the human eye has 25fps
10:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so that is 1 frame every 33.33 ms
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10:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
10:16 <G5_Ger> Hi
10:17 <madmax|pt> hi G5_Ger
10:18 <G5_Ger> Hi Madmax
10:19 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: It even makes sense to have more than 70 fps (because you get a blurred impression of the motion)
10:20 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The reason you don't notice the problem with films is that they already contain motion blur (which you will might miss using a LCD at 60Hz with Armagetron)
10:22 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
10:29 <G5_Ger> Test 1 2 3
10:29 <Vanhayes> what are you testing?
10:30 <G5_Ger> I activated voice output in irc client. Now I can play fullscreen and still listen to irc.
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11:22 <k> Is trunk still not compiling on Windows with Code::Blocks? I can compile the 0.3.0 tarball, but not trunk.
11:22 <k> Just curious if it is just my setup or not.
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11:32 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: this is the longest birthday ever
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> k: can't answer that, no windows here
11:53 * Lucifer_arma wonders if k gets every line with a k highlighted in it
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> so if I say ok, does it get highlighted?
11:54 <z-man> k: last time I checked, it worked from the trunk
11:54 <z-man> But I was using the RC2 of code::blocks, no nightly
11:54 <z-man> and of course, the tarball was the product of that :)
12:03 <k> Luciifer_arma: nope. haven't set up highlighting.
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> highlighting = very useful. :) I get on-screen display for the stuff that gets highlighted, similar to how an IM client works
12:04 * Lucifer_arma likes that feature a lot
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12:06 <k> z-man: I think I tried RC2 as well. I just grabbed the 0.3.0 branch from svn. Going to see if it compiles.
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: what are the chances the forbid data source thing can be turned into a way players can disable gauges? kinda like what we have in 0.2.8 for turning off hud gauges...
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft what are the chances the forbid data source thing can be turned into a way players can disable gauges? kinda like what we have in 0.2.8 for turning off hud gauges...
12:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
12:07 <k> 0.2.8.2 still compiles fine in both RC2 and Nightly.
12:19 <k> makedist.bat doesn't work in branches/0.3.0 on a fresh checkout. The mkdir commands are REMed out and the mkdir command for the dist/ directory is missing.
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> add to the list of requirements for a tracker a field that says "Blocking release of <release>"
12:21 <joda_bot> k: I updated the docs on that
12:21 <joda_bot> I just changed the order
12:21 <joda_bot> Previously: use makedist, compile and run makedist again
12:21 <k> ah. ok.
12:22 <joda_bot> Now: compile (code blocks creates directories) and run makedist copies / updates the files
12:22 <joda_bot> I haven't updated the wiki yet
13:09 <G5_Ger> Is there a way I can make other player's name disapear faster?
13:10 <Vanhayes> you could make them not show up at all if u wanted
13:12 <G5_Ger> I like to know who is who but then the names are blocking my view (esp. during start)
13:14 <MaZuffeR> change FADEOUT_NAME_DELAY to whatever you want
13:14 <joda_bot> Quote: FADEOUT_NAME_DELAY 5.0 # Time the player names are shown. Set to 0 if you don't want to show them at all or -1 if you want to show them always.
13:15 <joda_bot> ah MaZuffeR beat me ;)
13:15 <MaZuffeR> :P
13:16 <Vanhayes> where would I put a cockpit file I made, If I wanted other people be able to use it?
13:16 <G5_Ger> Ok, thanks. Next time u may scream at me: RTFM
13:18 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: you can upload it to resource.armagetronad.net (not sure how though)
13:23 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: http://beta.armagetronad.net/addmaps.php
13:24 <Vanhayes> Thx joda_bot
13:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: I can't login into the wiki :(
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: joda_bot can't login to the wiki :(
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: then there's a wiki page somewhere that tells you how the url is constructed. I hope Luke-Jr's upload script outputs a "use <this> filepath to use the resource", but don't know that it does
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> also, you're invited to make a cockpit page on the wiki to go with the moviepack list and put some screenshots of your cockpit on it :)
13:28 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: can you put this link http://beta.armagetronad.net/addmaps.php
13:28 <joda_bot> on this page: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Resource_repository&action=edit
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> that page doesn't exist?
13:30 <joda_bot> right it's linked from: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Playing_Maps
13:30 <joda_bot> I just did not find any information on howto add stuff to the repositiory
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know if this page belongs or not, the resource repository information is buried in the map tutorial afaik
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I added your link and put a todo on te page :)
13:31 <joda_bot> fine
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> #message Luke-Jr can you deal with this page? http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Resource_repository I don't know if it belongs or not, or anything like that, but joda_bot pointed out that we don't have a page to tell people about it and what to do with it
13:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> #message Luke-Jr at the very least, it would be nice if it had some information to tell people how to use resources on the repository. :) If there's another page for it already, then this needs to be changed to a redirect.
13:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
13:33 * Lucifer_arma wonders why joda_bot can't login to the wiki
13:33 <joda_bot> #message guru3 Login/registration failed. Please do not edit the two additional fields. If you use a password manager, please fill out the form manually one time to make it learn the new fields. Thanks.
13:33 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
13:33 <joda_bot> :|
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, it's interpreting you as a spammer. Don't spam the wiki!
13:33 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: does your login page show "You must have cookies enabled to log in to..." ?
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> there's hidden password fields on the page that spambots fill in but regular users don't
13:34 <joda_bot> lol... used tab to fill field might have filled that
13:34 <joda_bot> wait
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> hey, good, it's blocking me too
13:34 <joda_bot> :(
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I get the "You must have cookies enabled" message. It doesn't mean you don't have cookies enabled.
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: guru3 looks like maybe the spamblocker code has a few problems?
13:35 <joda_bot> ok
13:36 <guru3> i'm really not sure
13:36 * Lucifer_arma wonders if that also accounts for some of the general decrease in wiki traffic
13:36 <guru3> i haven't done anything to the wikiw
13:36 <joda_bot> need a IP ?
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, don't logout unless you don't mind being locked out :)
13:36 <guru3> i don't know
13:36 <guru3> i can't do anything with the wiki
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I'm using Konqueror, don't know what Joda's using
13:36 <guru3> i'm just waiting for lucifer to fix his shiz
13:37 * guru3 cleverly places the blame on someone else
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> :) I'll get it fixed soon, hopefully. My laptop is totally thrashed right now, though. :(
13:37 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: z-man wrtlprnft: What do you think will new SVN users tend to checkout ?
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm stuck in the t2 partition I made for the article I wrote, and my Kubuntu partition is totally thrashed.
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, they should switch to the 0.3.0 branch until 0.3.0 gets released, then go back to the trunk. :)
13:38 <joda_bot> I think perhaps we should work inside branches and keep head as a working version (latest running dev release ?)
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> or do you mean for working?
13:38 <guru3> now, time to watch bleach
13:38 <joda_bot> no not working
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> just people that want to use the latest development version?
13:39 <joda_bot> right
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> they should use the 0.3.0 branch *at this moment*
13:39 <joda_bot> It's easier for them to checkout head , isn't it ?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> if work gets done in the trunk before 0.3.0 goes out, they have to choose if they want to test 0.3.0 from the branch or switch to the trunk
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> but right at this moment, 0.3.0 branch is identical to the trunk, afaik. :)
13:40 <joda_bot> I know how it is right now
13:40 <joda_bot> I just ask if it would make sense to do it the other way around ?
13:41 <joda_bot> Perhaps even keep HEAD equal to the latest release (later) and branch for the next development version
13:41 <joda_bot> not sure if this makes sense
13:41 <joda_bot> it's more for future work than now
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh. this is a conversation we've had a few times already. :) Luke-Jr wanted to organize the svn repository like that
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's not what we really want to do, but here's the thing
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk needs to always build both server and client, so you need to test building the server with whatever work you do
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> for most things, it's not a big deal
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> for some things, the work you want to do is pretty extensive in an area and you would prefer not to be tied down with the requirement that the trunk build and not segfault on start
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> there are some small rules in addition, like CODELEVEL settings and stuff
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, for those kinds of work, you can and should create your own branch to do it
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> then merge when you're ready to merge, at which point you should have your branch meeting the regular trunk requirements
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> we branch for stable release series, and from that branch we branch for actual releases
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a 0.2.8 branch, then an 0.2.8.0, 0.2.8.1, etc.
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the branch for the release series is where all the stabilizing work gets done, the actual release branches are tags, but svn treats them as branches
13:45 <joda_bot> that would remain, except that version branches are created earlier
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> for 0.3.0, this is new to us this development series thing. :) So we had some discussion on whether or not to have a stabilizing branch,
13:45 <joda_bot> e.g. start working on 0.4. then branch it
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> and in the end I created one because it was needed
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, we're working on the next version in the trunk
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> next version is Bacchus. :) I hate to be anal about codenames, but there's some discussion on whether or not Bacchus will be 0.4 or 1.0
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> so the trunk represents Bacchus, and the development series generally comes out of the trunk
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> we'll tag each development release at the very least, some we might be able to release straight off the trunk, some we'll release from a branch off the trunk where the head of the branch represents the release we made
13:47 <joda_bot> whatever, to make it clear: I suggest to branch atleast for any new major version and merge it to head once it's stable
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's what we already do
13:47 * z-man thinks we should make more crappy stable releases, that would help the development series :)
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's been making regular merges to the trunk from the 0.2.8 branch :)
13:48 * Lucifer_arma thinks we should have been a lot clearer in what the development series is :)
13:48 * joda_bot thinks we should be more happy about comments and say sure will be fixed ;)
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> now I want to make a book post about what it's for and why it's ok for 0.3.0 to suck compared to 0.2.8, but I'm going to feel like I'm just beating down comments about it
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bite the bullet and do it anyway, kind ahas to be done.... :(
13:49 <joda_bot> this includes myself being perhaps to fast in telling people it's a dev release
13:49 * Lucifer_arma also thinks we're seeing a shakedown of users that don't actually want to do the things the development series is for
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, people that thought they wanted to help with the development release, and then saw what that actually meant and backed away
13:51 * Lucifer_arma thought that reminding people it was a development release would be comforting, but it seems to have had the reverse effect
13:51 * Lucifer_arma feels secure knowing he should never pursue a political career
13:51 <joda_bot> perhaps the restrictions should be more relaxed, e.g. just garant them more priveledges if they upgrade to latest development release once a month ?
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> what privileges?
13:52 <joda_bot> what ever the Q&A team should get
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> weren't you the one that said the QA team was too pwerful if they could veto a release?
13:52 <joda_bot> I guess it's better to have 10 loose testers than none
13:53 * Lucifer_arma notes we have probably at least 10 non-developers running from the trunk that will continue to run from the trunk :)
13:53 <joda_bot> sounds good, how many different OS and how many use standard install procedures ? ;)
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> all linux, afaik. :(
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a lot of knee-jerk reaction to the camera. I'm getting sold pretty well on it being a better camera.
13:54 <joda_bot> It's the most sensitve part of the game
13:55 <joda_bot> or one ;)
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> but then, maybe this will all turn out for the better when the knee-jerkers don't check out 0.3.1 and the people that do will be very helpful
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit my game suffered when I started using meriton's stuff
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I've assimilated it now, and my game no longer suffers because of it, and I've made quite a few tactical decisions differently because the information I had to make it with was different
13:56 <Vanhayes> Hmm did Bugfarm fortress get a new Change?
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> I can't tell you yet if my game's better or if the annoyance factor is higher or lower, but I think I"m going to reach a point where I'll say my game is better and the camera is less annoying
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> Rhapsody is coming on that server... ;)
13:57 <Vanhayes> u will be a spectator
13:57 <MaZuffeR> Vanhayes: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4651
13:57 <Vanhayes> Ah I see
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: made a screenshot of your cockpit yet? I want to see it, but don't have a working client right now :)
13:58 <Vanhayes> I have a few screen shots but no where to post them, unless you want them on the forums?
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> sure, anywhere's fine, really. Post in the alpha thread, though. :) You know, so people see why the release is there instead of why they don't think it should be there :)
13:59 <Vanhayes> hmm should there be 2 join blus team and 2 join gold team options?
13:59 <Vanhayes> ok
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14:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, z-man, I had a question :)
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> did you build with joystick support, by any chance?
14:02 <joda_bot> Windows has joystick support
14:02 <joda_bot> I've not tested it though
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok. I think the linux default is to build with joystick support, but I don't remember exactly
14:02 <joda_bot> z-man: about the create new team, can we split the functions into create new team and join any team ?
14:03 <joda_bot> or create a new team and "I want to play" ;)
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: also, :) , are the scripts you use to run your servers in svn? If not, can they be put there somewhere?
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> zmanzmanzman (read it like "mommymommymommy")
14:04 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: but that doesn't trigger highlighting :)
14:05 <z-man> Umm, no, no joystick support
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> can you add a search for "mommy" that does? ;)
14:05 <z-man> Should I have done that?
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, in hindsight, yes, and the next alpha yes, sorry I didn't think about it earlier
14:05 <z-man> I can put the scripts into svn into my private section, no problem, but they're really special
14:05 <z-man> I totally forgot about it
14:06 <z-man> and I'm not really happy about the implementation, to be honest
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, it would be nice to generalize them a bit so we can make it easier for some of the rest of us to run similar servers for testing
14:06 <z-man> if it's still hacking the SDL_K count
14:06 * z-man is actually watching Germany vs Poland
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> and I thought it would be nice to have it as a regular thing for server admins to use so their players can give them messages
14:06 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-soccer
14:07 <z-man-soccer> Oh, you mean the BUG parsing part
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, Luke-Jr hasn't screwed with joystick support in awhile, he's waiting for the general input system change that's scheduled sometime after the gGame factoring
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, the bug parsing and the automatic rebuilding is what I'm after. Stuff I could theoretically do pretty quickly but you've already got going :)
14:07 <z-man-soccer> joda_bot: yes, in the long run, that would be nice, make it two functions
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you shoudl just post them to the forums (after editing out any personal info, of course) and I'll get them from there and fool with it
14:08 <z-man-soccer> Naa, svn is the perfect place. I'll put them up.
14:09 <z-man-soccer> But after the World Cup Match :) that demands my full attention now.
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm thinking about my next server and I'd like it setup to collect bug reports, too, with automated rebuilding
14:09 * z-man-soccer turns off the laptop's sound now
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> of course, you have your bet with sab, right? ;)
14:09 <z-man-soccer> Right :)
14:09 <z-man-soccer> I'm hoping the Neds get eliminated early, because if they don't, I'm screwed :)
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> haha
14:10 * Lucifer_arma remembers thinking the same thing about Team Somethingsomething
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> (coincidentally led by a dutchman)
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14:43 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: Pics of my cockpit are on the forums now if you wanted to take a look : http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=60921#60921
14:47 <z-man-soccer> Gaa, still 0-0
14:51 <z-man-soccer> #later tell joda_bot of course, making the one menu option two would be your job.
14:51 <armabot> z-man-soccer: The operation succeeded.
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm of mixed feelings about having the hud map being a toggle :)
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should just try it and see how it works out
14:52 <Vanhayes> If u put the toggled button close to your usual input layout is is pretty easy
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's not the mechanics I'm thinking about. :)
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> Ok, I use it for tactical display on fortress. maybe you've noticed how useful the map is for that?
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not looking for my position, I'm looking at player positions, relative strengths, and assessing the tactical situation
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> frequently I notice when I'm getting stalked that way, too. :) Very important for goalie.
14:55 <Vanhayes> yes But i find it can get distracting if it is always there
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm thinking, I have to decide to look at the map, hit a key, then look at it. As I have it now, I don't have to decide to look at it,
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> I scan it the same way I scan gauges in my car
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> I like the idea, I think I'm just going to have to try it and see how it works for me.
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'll gladly grant you that having it in the lower-right corner makes it pretty useless. Your eyes have to move too far to find it, then you have to focus attention on it to read it.
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> I used to crash a lot because I was looking at the map. :) That went away after I moved it to the middle.
14:58 <Vanhayes> ya I might make mine smaller and move the speed guage around so it is in the middle
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, you offer an interesting solution to a problem I don't have yet, though.
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> I want to change the map to allow it to show only a certain area around your cycle, orient it so your cycle is always pointing up, and use it as a radar
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> with that setup, I can switch to incam and have a good immediate view of surroundings (the reason I use smartcam in the first place)
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> but then I lose my tactical display. I was considering just laying another small map on the radar and having a toggle that switched between them,
15:00 <Vanhayes> yes that would make things a lot easier, so u wouldnt have to search for yourslef on the map
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> but having a larger tac display makes sense
15:01 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: The map should be blockable by the server ;)
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fancy changes to make it act like a radar don't eliminate the problem that you need to see where you are
15:01 * Lucifer_arma disagrees
15:01 * Lucifer_arma doesn't approve of anything where you have to stop people from using stuff in order to make it "fair"
15:01 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: You gain an unfair advantage for incam only games
15:01 * Lucifer_arma thinks if a server has to block maps, then the server's concept is fundamentally flawed
15:02 * Lucifer_arma will mod his client if necessary, and then just not play on those draconian servers.
15:02 * joda_bot thinks Lucifer_arma just can't make mindmaps ;)
15:02 * Lucifer_arma notes that he was unbeatable on his own incam server
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> have you used the map, joda_bot ?
15:10 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes ;)
15:11 <joda_bot> but not in incam games
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> try it in an incam game. I've found it to be worthless for that
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> so your "unfair advantage" doesn't exist, in my experience :)
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> or if it does, it exists independently of whether or not the server is incam only
15:18 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: without a map you can't be sure what's behind the next corner
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> even with a map you can't be sure what's behind the next corner
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> because the map takes time to read
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> and if you're worrying about what's behind the next corner, you're in a situation where you don't have time to read the map
15:21 <joda_bot> hm
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> try it. :) I played goalie one night with incam only using my cockpit with the map in plain sight, and I never had time to look at the map when I was being attacked,
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> it was still only useful as a tac display to see how my team was doing.
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15:22 <Lucifer_arma> hey pavelo
15:22 <pavelo> hi
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> so with your tab completion, I could do /msg velo and get you?
15:23 <pavelo> that was the general idea
15:23 <pavelo> wait
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> how does it deal with collisions? :) I would assume it just uses the same mechanism (I don't know the tab completion code at all)
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> so what if there's someone named velocity?
15:24 <pavelo> it does the same as wrtl's (i think he wrote the original)
15:24 <pavelo> it just displays possible options
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he did, so he's going to have to review the patch
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> I was just curious. Did you manage to deal with spaces in play names by any chance? afaik, that's still an issue
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> like, if I do /msg wrtl<tab> I get /msg wrtlprnft |mbc|, and the message sent to him starts with |mbc| :)
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15:25 <pavelo> the tab-completion code has nothing to do with /msg
15:26 <pavelo> it just does simple string substitution
15:26 <pavelo> and /msg has it's own completion AFAIK
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it works there. ah, I think I see what you're saying. Modifying tab completion won't change /msg :)
15:26 <pavelo> :)
15:27 * Lucifer_arma has had at least one person pick him out using a fake name because of tab completion :)
15:28 <pavelo> i also thought about de-l33t-ing names
15:28 <pavelo> so if im named P4\/3L0 pav<tab> would still expand to that
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15:28 <pavelo> but i dont have time to play with that right now
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's possible, there's already a de-l337ed version of the name stored somewhere
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think it collapses all names to alphanumeric, anyway, so it's not quite complete
15:30 <pavelo> i'll look around when i find time
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> "when I find time" is the story of my life, heh
15:34 * Lucifer_arma bbiab, store
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
15:34 * Lucifer_arma is away: store
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15:40 <k> joda_bot: Is there a reason why makedist.bat is copying all the src/doc/ files into dist/doc?
15:44 <joda_bot> k: no I just thought it's a start to get a doc there
15:44 <joda_bot> replace it by a call to your doc generation
15:44 <joda_bot> or just add another bat to copy the doc + installer files to dist
15:45 <joda_bot> k: because profile and debug won't need those I guess
15:47 <z-man-soccer> 1-0!!!!!!!
15:48 <k> ok. i'll look into it once I get my automated builds working again. just need to work on building Code::Blocks projects from the command line.
15:48 <k> z-main-soccer: don't you mean GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL! :)
15:49 <Your_mom_arma> haha
15:49 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
15:50 <joda_bot> k: can't you somehow use the makefile code::blocks generates ?
15:51 <Your_mom_arma> z-man if i post a recording a 2 minute recording could you look at it and tell what the crash at the end is?
15:51 <joda_bot> k: you probably already do , I guess
15:51 <k> joda_bot: not sure. i do know that they added the ability to the nightlies to specify a project and or workspace on the command line to build it.
15:51 <joda_bot> ah
15:51 <joda_bot> ok
15:52 <k> if it works the same as VC6 it should be simple to get working
15:53 <k> i think you can specify the target as well
15:56 * spidey|2 yawns
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15:57 <z-man> Your_mom_arma: I can try, but with system specific crashes, recordings are useless at times
15:58 <z-man> (still away, going for a midnight stroll)
15:58 * spidey|2 trips z-man on his way out
16:00 <Your_mom_arma> okay i posted it
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16:08 * Lucifer_arma is back.
16:08 * spidey|2 trips Lucifer_arma on his way in
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you
16:08 * spidey|2 is the bear
16:08 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
16:08 <spidey|2> :D
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> apparently it's been longer than I thought since I skated
16:09 <spidey|2> hahahahah
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> spilled twice on the way to the store
16:09 * Lucifer_arma used to be able handle pretty steep hills
16:09 <spidey|2> you know what i used to do
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> pick your butt, then pick your nose and eat it?
16:10 <k> my 10 year old does that. =)
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> he picks your butt, and then picks your nose and eats it?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> yuck. How do you tolerate that?
16:10 <spidey|2> there's this big ass hill in front of my other grandmas house,when i was like 8-10 or something and those scooter thingys with the handle bars came out
16:10 <k> his. :P
16:10 <spidey|2> i took off down that hill with it
16:11 <spidey|2> and hit alot of gravel
16:11 <spidey|2> xD
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, watch out for that gravel?
16:12 <spidey|2> it was all the way accross the road
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> my choice was "hit the curb" or try to jump up onto the curb and roll into the grass
16:12 <spidey|2> not much i could do,unless i could fly :s
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I tried the jump (used to be able to do that...)
16:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you never had to type the whole name for /msg ;)
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> I thought rolling into the grass was preferred over hitting the curb
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: and? :)
16:12 <wrtlprnft> actually, any unique part will do
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, now I can do prn<tab> and get wrtlprnft
16:13 <wrtlprnft> whattheheckiswrongwithmyspacebar?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> really?
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, after you review and commit pavelo's patch :)
16:13 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:13 <wrtlprnft> I'dlike tochange it so it only takes the beginnings ofwords
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> ? that would defeat the point of his patch, wouldn't it?
16:14 <wrtlprnft> so if someone is named ~*sp*~ idiot you can use idi<tab> or ~*sp*~<tab>, but not ot<tab>
16:15 <wrtlprnft> because right now for most tagless names you can just use the first letter and tab
16:15 <wrtlprnft> if you used anyletter you'd usually need at least two
16:15 <k> if you keep press <tab> does it cycle through all possible matches?
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> what about for 5up3rturd ?
16:15 * wrtlprnft needstofix his spacebar
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> yes, and if there is more than one it gives you a list of choices
16:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 5up will do,or rtur
16:15 <Your_mom_arma> hmmm
16:16 <Your_mom_arma> luci why does turning off text output allow the local game to not crash and turning it back on result in a crash after leaving local game
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> beats the fuck out of me
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> how are you turning off text output?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> ccccccccccccccccccccccccc mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,xccccccvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
16:17 <wrtlprnft> acksorrry
16:17 <spidey|2> you actually play local games?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> wasmessing with my keyboard
16:17 <spidey|2> lol
16:17 <wrtlprnft> and it didn'twork, obviously
16:17 <spidey|2> as luci told me, FIX YOUR FUCKING KEYBOARD
16:17 <spidey|2> :p
16:18 <wrtlprnft> if i hit the right part of the spacebar it won'twork...
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, I told you to fix your fucking mouth---er, mouse
16:18 <spidey|2> hahahah
16:18 <wrtlprnft> bearwith me!
16:19 <wrtlprnft> o_Omy spacebar has a crack!
16:19 <spidey|2> no
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> so just hit the wrong part?
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: how are you turning off text output?
16:19 <spidey|2> in misc
16:19 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
16:19 <spidey|2> it's a option
16:19 <spidey|2> text wrap or something
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> I've never seen it, heh
16:20 <spidey|2> lahl
16:21 * Lucifer_arma wonders how it turns off text output.
16:21 <spidey|2> it takes it off the screen
16:21 <spidey|2> it's always been there
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sound engine uses std::cout for it's output, I think. I'll give it a look over.
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> takes what off the screen?
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> turns off the console?
16:21 <spidey|2> the text
16:21 <spidey|2> .....
16:21 <spidey|2> you can't see anything that other people or the server says
16:21 <Your_mom_arma> luci i posted a recording if you want to look at it
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's the console :)
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have a working client right now, and my computer's thrashed. it'll be next week before I can build anything, I have to fix my computer, and I'm not doing that until after my calc test
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> either your crash is different from the one z-man had, or there's a call to put something in the console that doesn't really exist
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> rather, that particular crash.
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> does turning off teh console also prevent the crash when you hit play/next/previous?
16:24 <spidey|2> it doens't crash for me....
16:24 <spidey|2> with it on,and with it off
16:24 <spidey|2> what version you got mom?
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, it only affects people with dodgy sound
16:24 <wrtlprnft> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbmhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn-n,
16:24 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!
16:24 <spidey|2> LOL
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> wwwwwrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttlllllllllllllppppppppppppprrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnfffffffffffttttttttttttttt
16:24 <wrtlprnft> space works again !
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> you call that working?
16:25 <spidey|2> haha
16:25 <wrtlprnft> lol no
16:25 <wrtlprnft> that's just compensation for the missing ones above
16:25 <wrtlprnft> now I just have that cracked alt key, no idea how long that will halp
16:25 <wrtlprnft> *help
16:26 * wrtlprnft 's gonna call dell as soon he gets home to get a new F12, alt and space key
16:26 <spidey|2> lmao
16:27 <wrtlprnft> probably another fn- key, too. It's working fine, but it has the same size as the windows key, then I can trash that win key and put something else there :)
16:27 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: hitting the play and next buttons doesnt make it crash with text outputt off
16:27 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: about the text output, does it crash for error essages?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> like, the ones you get when your connection gets refused
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16:28 <Your_mom_arma> it just crashes to desktop hitting the play button in game causes a crash pop up
16:28 <wrtlprnft> or, never mind, there's another bug that'll prevent it from crashing
16:28 <wrtlprnft> what about the menu help strings?
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> how does a bug prevent crashing?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> I think it has soething todo with text wrapping
16:29 <wrtlprnft> and in that version the error essages didn't get wrapped
16:30 <wrtlprnft> now the m- key is on strike...
16:30 <spidey|2> lmfao
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> don't you mean lfao?
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> so now he's going to call e Lucifer_ara
16:32 * Lucifer_arma has problems with his 'a' key
16:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma
16:32 <spidey|2> lol
16:32 * wrtlprnft loves tab copletion
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> I do "cd armgetrond' a lot
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> just say tab copulation, and nobody will notice your '' key doesn't work
16:32 <wrtlprnft> oo
16:33 <spidey|2> my space bar has a broken clip,so i have to hit the center of it or the left side
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> you couldn't move in a clip from nder a different key?
16:33 <spidey|2> no.....
16:33 <z-man> I alwayss produce double ss
16:33 <spidey|2> other keys don't have clips
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> Right now, if I hit end, home, or left-shift, those keys might pop off
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> my Fn key is long gone
16:33 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl is there a way to make a gauge display in reverse?
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> set the range from high to low?
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> you want bars that start on the right and flood left, don' tyou?
16:34 <Your_mom_arma> something like that
16:34 <wrtlprnft> it should work, actually
16:35 <wrtlprnft> not sure, i didn't test it in ages, so it might have become broken one day
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> setting the range from high to low?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
16:35 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:35 <wrtlprnft> qwertzuiop�asdfghjkl��yxcvbnm,.-
16:35 <wrtlprnft> yay
16:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> german, eh?
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ��pyeah
16:37 <wrtlprnft> #canada
16:37 <armabot> 4
16:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #switzerland
16:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrrmmmm
16:38 <wrtlprnft> :P
16:38 <wrtlprnft> i added that
16:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> +
16:38 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> +
16:39 <wrtlprnft> why blinking?
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> blinking?
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is bold -.-
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> +
16:39 <wrtlprnft> uh, for me it blinks
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bold not working anyway...
16:39 <wrtlprnft> the plus does, that is
16:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #help
16:39 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:40 <G5_Ger> I will leave IRC. Bye.
16:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye G5_Ger
16:40 <Your_mom_arma> <AtomicData field="maximum" source="0" /> <AtomicData field="minimum" source="1" />
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16:40 <wrtlprnft> that might work, yes
16:40 <Your_mom_arma> that causes the guage to not show up
16:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: could you add + ?
16:40 <wrtlprnft> just type #alias add swizerland "echo <yourflaghere>"
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah cool
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch +
16:41 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #ch
16:41 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:41 <wrtlprnft> you have to type "echo <blah>"
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch "echo + "
16:41 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:41 <armabot> +
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #ch
16:41 <armabot> +
16:41 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl any other way you think i should try?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it doesn't work?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> then that's a bug
16:42 <wrtlprnft> I'll check on it in a second
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo +
16:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:42 <armabot> +
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrrmmmm
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo " + "
16:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:42 <armabot> +
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo ' + '
16:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:42 <armabot> ' + '
16:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo +
16:43 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo +
16:43 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:43 <armabot> +
16:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
16:43 <spidey|2> that's gay
16:43 <spidey|2> as soon as i joined fortress,someone polled me
16:43 <spidey|2> lol
16:44 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: you need the "
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it's not working correctly -.-
16:44 <wrtlprnft> and put some other code like ^O before the 2nd "
16:44 <wrtlprnft> or it will crop the trailing space
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch "echo + "
16:44 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
16:44 <armabot> +
16:44 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
16:45 * [Xpert]DarkStar is happy
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> #texas
16:48 <armabot> Texas > Canada
16:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
16:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias
16:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there a list of aliases?
16:50 <Vanhayes> #list alias
16:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
16:50 <Vanhayes> #more
16:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> "And I made the enemies/friends alive thing bigger. It was pretty easy to do too, and I dont know anything about programing." <--- Sometimes you get the bear
16:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #barf
16:50 <armabot> /me throws up all over
16:51 <Vanhayes> try eliza
16:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what's wrong?
16:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #eliza
16:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Can you elaborate on that?
16:51 <Vanhayes> Lucifer I dont understand?
16:51 <wrtlprnft> try surprise and wakespam :)
16:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #eliza
16:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Can you elaborate on that?
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
16:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> see, I came back from the store saying "sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you"
16:51 <Vanhayes> #eliza hello
16:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
16:51 <wrtlprnft> I think that was positive feedback :)
16:51 <wrtlprnft> and a bug report, in its way
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, that's what "sometimes you get the bear" means :)
16:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #b
16:52 <Vanhayes> #q 18
16:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
16:52 <Vanhayes> er
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> #quote 18
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> #list Quote
16:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 18
16:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no Quote with id #18 in my database for #armagetron.
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 17
16:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
16:52 <Vanhayes> heh
16:52 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
16:53 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with Vanhayes?
16:53 * wrtlprnft is confused
16:53 <Vanhayes> It's just feather
16:53 * Lucifer_arma notes that featherfcuk and Vanhayes are teammates on the anarchy team
16:53 <Vanhayes> Ya we insult each other , its pretty funny
16:54 <Vanhayes> THough I haven't done it on the forums..
16:54 * Lucifer_arma would consider it a compliment if fcuker said he hated Lucifer
16:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> he only hates people that kill him a lot
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> and he's hard to kill
16:55 <wrtlprnft> *that are better than him and not idiots themselves
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> ...sometimes
16:55 <wrtlprnft> that's why he doesn't seem to hate psyko
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> :P
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that's why he doesn't seem to hate me, either? heh
16:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:56 <Vanhayes> all I know is that from the moment we first played each other we have traded insults
16:57 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: if you really want there is a way to get gauges backwards
16:57 <wrtlprnft> a) exchange background with foreground
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> don't tell him to turn his monitor around
16:57 <wrtlprnft> b) replace the <AtomicData> for value by:
16:58 <wrtlprnft> <Math type="difference" lvalue="yourmaximumdatasource" rvalue="yourminimumdatasource" />
16:58 <wrtlprnft> no
16:58 <wrtlprnft> <Math type="difference" lvalue="yourmaximumdatasource" rvalue="yourvaluedatasource" />
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that'll effectively revert the gauges
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> have you figured out a way to write a gauge that takes a list of players and renders them in a table?
17:00 <wrtlprnft> not yet
17:00 <wrtlprnft> I think I'll do something else first, extending the callback
17:00 <wrtlprnft> I wanna make it possible to say watched_cycle.rubber
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> what about templates? LIke have a template that shows which records to put where (assuming a list of maps)
17:00 <wrtlprnft> and closest_cycle.rubber
17:00 <wrtlprnft> etc
17:00 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl will you add that to the wiki?
17:01 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: no
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> not supported?
17:01 <wrtlprnft> it's more or less temporary
17:01 <wrtlprnft> in the long run I want a real formula parser
17:01 <Your_mom_arma> ok
17:01 <wrtlprnft> if you need examples, there are some in my cockpit file
17:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's exactly what i wanna do, but i need that value thing first
17:02 <wrtlprnft> so you can say something like:
17:02 <spidey|2> i just combined movie packs to make the most unplayable one,haha
17:02 <wrtlprnft> <Row repeat="perplayer">
17:03 <wrtlprnft> <Cell><GameData value="player.colored_name" /></Cell>
17:03 <wrtlprnft> <!-- ... -->
17:03 <wrtlprnft> </Row>
17:03 <wrtlprnft> and then you'd get a row per player
17:03 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html
17:03 <Your_mom_arma> i setup an all black moviepack and set a fullscreen map and tried to play on it, it was actually pretty playable
17:04 <wrtlprnft> just make a big black <Rectangle>?
17:04 <wrtlprnft> another undocumented thing
17:04 <wrtlprnft> again, look at my file for examples
17:05 <joda_bot> gn8
17:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thanks, I'll have a look
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17:05 <Your_mom_arma> i can't be expected to know about this stuff... hehe
17:05 <wrtlprnft> night joda
17:05 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you aren't ;)
17:05 <wrtlprnft> although the <Rectangle> will probably be permanent
17:06 <wrtlprnft> but before I add this to the wiki I want other things like <Line> etc
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> <circle>
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> <square>
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> <acoupleofwavylines>
17:06 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:06 <Your_mom_arma> haha
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> (ghostbusters joke, I guess)
17:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, what's the difference between <Rectangle> and <Square>? A square is just a rectangle with equeal width and height
17:07 <Your_mom_arma> or is it the other way around
17:07 <Your_mom_arma> jk
17:08 <wrtlprnft> a <Rectangle> is a <Square> with a horizontal or vertical stretch ;)
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, in calc I I showed that the largest rectangle that fits in an equilateral triangle, sharing a base, with the other two points shared on the triangle's other two sides is a square
17:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah, I did that once, too, but more geometric
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> it was an optimization problem :)
17:09 <wrtlprnft> or, actually i think the target was to fit a square in a given rectangle
17:09 <wrtlprnft> while sharing a base, of course
17:09 <spidey|2> warning
17:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:10 <spidey|2> lots of mirroring and a clear dir_wall
17:10 <spidey|2> doesn't mix with fortress
17:10 <spidey|2> xD
17:10 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> a clear dir_wall? You mean completely transparent?
17:10 <spidey|2> yes,all but the top of it
17:10 <Vanhayes> How do u get that?
17:10 <spidey|2> there's a small line at the top
17:10 <Vanhayes> which movie pack?
17:10 <spidey|2> besides that it's clear
17:10 <spidey|2> not a movie pack
17:10 <spidey|2> i got it off a site
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> iceman's?
17:11 <spidey|2> no
17:11 <Vanhayes> texture thing then
17:11 <spidey|2> yea
17:11 <Vanhayes> That would be usefull in incam
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> my moviepack has some transparency to the walls, but not complete transparency, it's why I can see through them :)
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> it is, actually, with one minor problem
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> if the walls were always rendered from back to front, the problem wouldn't exist
17:12 <Vanhayes> spidey|2, what site?
17:12 <spidey|2> don't remember
17:12 <spidey|2> hold on
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> but since they're rendered in arbitrary order, some walls come out opaque because they're rendered after the walls in front of them, or something like that
17:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i could only use that program as an example...
17:12 <wrtlprnft> it's not GPL compatible
17:13 <spidey|2> i'm uploading it to my server, Vanhayes
17:13 <spidey|2> www.fallin-angels.com/dir_wall.png
17:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: I think they're rendered in creation order
17:13 <spidey|2> you can't see it
17:13 <spidey|2> but it's there
17:13 <spidey|2> lol
17:13 <spidey|2> Vanhayes, right click in the upper left
17:13 <spidey|2> and save image
17:14 * wrtlprnft notes that opera displays single images centered
17:14 * wrtlprnft also notes that if you go to fullscreen you get a black background in opera
17:14 <Vanhayes> o ya that reminds me, is it ever going to be possible for other people to see, if you have it, what is on you tail?
17:14 * wrtlprnft further notes that Vanhayes could just press ctrl-s
17:15 * Vanhayes notice that too
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: no
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: or, it is GOING to
17:15 <Vanhayes> never?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> at some point in time, maybe
17:15 <Vanhayes> ok
17:15 <wrtlprnft> but right now it's not, no
17:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good night everyone
17:15 <Your_mom_arma> whos cvs test server is that?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> night [Xpert]DarkStar
17:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx wrtlprnft :)
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: CvS belongs to Luke-Jr
17:16 <Vanhayes> satanists and all that?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:18 <k> Vanhayes: It's fairly easy to tell all the clients the names of the textures they are all using and then display those if they exist locally. I had that working 2.6 at one point. The problem is automatically downloading textures and all the issues related to that.
17:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, exactly
17:19 <wrtlprnft> will hopefully be possible once the resource system supports binaries
17:20 <k> It was decided to put it off until all the new resource stuff was worked out and the movie pack concept we redone.
17:20 <k> we = was
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17:20 <Vanhayes> ya It would be cool if u could have a little banner or something that everyone could see
17:20 <Vanhayes> hello madmax|pt
17:21 <madmax|pt> hi
17:21 <Your_mom_arma> yeah or a lightning bolt trail
17:21 * Your_mom_arma ***
17:21 <wrtlprnft> avatars, yes :P
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ;:D
17:21 <spidey|2> k, shouldn't it be as easy as downloading maps?
17:22 <spidey|2> embed a mini ftp/webserver or something in tron
17:22 <wrtlprnft> if it's a resource it will be
17:22 <Your_mom_arma> im against it unless you can enforce a size file limit and make sure no pornography is on the trails
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.geocities.com/alexei_cioina/cioinaeval.html <--- looks like it used to be closed source but might be open now?
17:23 * madmax|pt sees "can export to Mathematica 4.x/5.x form" and closes page
17:23 <wrtlprnft> I want to have our own customized formula parser, I'm just looking for ideas
17:23 <k> downloading isn't the issue. all the current rendering code needs to be rewritten to allow changing textures and other resources for each object.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> it would have to use tValue
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's not really the issue either, it's in reach if someone just wants to do it
17:25 <Your_mom_arma> bug(sort of)- show fps in one of the menus does nothing now due to the cockpit
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> the issue is letting people turn it off :)
17:26 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: that thing should go away anyways :P
17:26 <k> Lucifer_arma: Is there a reason why there is a Play Music and a Pause Music menu option? I tried out 0.3.0alpha today and bound keys to both, but one of them toggled the music and the other did nothing.
17:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: I'd say we should have a local equivalent to FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA
17:26 <Your_mom_arma> true enough wrtl bu i wasnt sure if anyone else had noticed it
17:26 <wrtlprnft> and hide gauges that contain a forbidden value
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, play starts music, pause togles start and stop and remembers the position. Stop stops it, if you hit play after stop, it starts at the beginning of the song
17:26 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: thanks, it'll go
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> can we get a place inside the widget where we can put other widgets, then?
17:27 <k> k. thx. i'll have to try Play again.
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, rectangles and stuff, that is
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> what I'm thinking is if I put a rectangle to border a gauge, and someone turns off the gauge by value, they still see the rectangle
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> how do I get rid of the rectangle?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> aah, i see...
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> k: the Play button is borderline useless, actually.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually there's no reason not to support it other than it's confusing
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> it would be better to be able to link gauges together, then, like with a <div> tag or something :)
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> and disable it
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> or with a group attribute, and if one gauge in a group is disabled, disable the whole group
17:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no div, please. WidgetGroup, if you like
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> how bout <vid> ?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:31 <Vanhayes> so what would I put in the Custom playlist, for it to play my music?
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> makes as much sense :)
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> a complete path to the playlist
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> the playlist itself needs to be a .m3u file
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, load winamp or xmms or whatever, build your playlist, save it as .m3u file, *remember where you put it*
17:32 <Your_mom_arma> ie. c:\music\blah.m3u
17:32 <Lucifer_arma> type in the complete path to that file in the line that says Custom Playlist, and select custom playlist from the item that gives you "Internal/custom" choices
17:32 * Vanhayes has trouble remebering things but will try
17:32 <Vanhayes> How big can it be?
17:32 <Lucifer_arma> you can also do this: :)
17:32 <Lucifer_arma> it can be as big as you want, although I can't certify that it won't take awhile to shuffle it
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> and it's all stored in memory....
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> the playlist itself is, not the songs, of course, those are streamed
17:33 <madmax|pt> uf
17:33 <madmax|pt> lol
17:33 <wrtlprnft> gah
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, you can also open user.cfg in notepad or whatever and search it for "PLAYLIST" and then copy and paste the path to the playlist from explorer or something
17:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: reversing gauges IS supported :)
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> how?
17:34 <wrtlprnft> just not documented
17:34 * wrtlprnft is figuring it out as we speak
17:34 <Your_mom_arma> not documented is your middle name
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> I thought his middle name was prn?
17:34 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
17:35 <Your_mom_arma> i always pronounce his name wurtle(sounds like turtle) print if
17:36 <madmax|pt> what about the ending t?
17:36 <Your_mom_arma> its silent
17:36 <wrtlprnft> gah
17:36 <wrtlprnft> the code supports it, the DTD doesn't :(
17:37 <Your_mom_arma> post a new one it won't be that hard to replace?
17:37 <wrtlprnft> i will
17:37 <wrtlprnft> if i get it to work ;)
17:38 <wrtlprnft> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
17:38 <wrtlprnft> the code has a bug
17:39 <Vanhayes> hmm It says it failed to load track
17:40 <Your_mom_arma> osc wants a gui for hud(cockpit) design in game at least thats what i think he's saying
17:41 <wrtlprnft> he'll get disabling gauges as maximum for now
17:41 <wrtlprnft> and maybe configuring the clock
17:42 <wrtlprnft> ok, reverse works now
17:43 <Your_mom_arma> is this a permanent fix?
17:43 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:43 <Your_mom_arma> yay
17:43 <wrtlprnft> it was just that i never actually tested it
17:43 <wrtlprnft> that meant it was named differently in the source and in the DTD
17:44 <wrtlprnft> and the parsing part forgot to save it somewhere
17:44 <wrtlprnft> guess you have to wait for the bext build :(
17:45 <wrtlprnft> *next
17:45 <Your_mom_arma> thats okay as long as its supported now
17:46 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/19ddf4
17:46 <wrtlprnft> 40 changed lines?!
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=61051#61051
17:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/65650
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think he's saying "Throw it all away and start over by copying these other people, and don't release an unfinished product, no matter how many times you call it a development release"
17:49 <wrtlprnft> i hate if noobs sent me PMs without ever having talked to me
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> remember that guy that played local game for weeks/months while we were trying to figure out why he couldn't join a server?
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a noob, that's Durka
17:51 <wrtlprnft> ooooooooooooh, sorry
17:51 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm gonna answer :P
17:52 <wrtlprnft> then that guy has a reason to contact ME ;)
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: failed to load track? What's the track? Any idea wht the path is in the m3u file?
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> because it's required the m3u file be absolute paths as well. I don't know of any media player that puts relative paths, but I won't say it doesn't happen.
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> also, the underlying libraries sdl_mixer uses sometimes fail to load tracks because they suck (smpeg, anyway).
17:54 <Vanhayes> what is an absolute path?
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> starts with c:\ or something like that
17:54 <Vanhayes> ya I have that
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> absolute means "from the top of the hard drive", where relative means "from this directory"
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> what format is the song in? mp3?
17:54 <Vanhayes> yup
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> mp3 and vorbis are the only ones I've tested
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably just smpeg borking on it. I have a few mp3's that were encoded with lame that smpeg can't read.
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> did it find a track eventually and start playing?
17:55 <Vanhayes> nope went thru a bunck of them too
17:55 <Vanhayes> bunch*
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> can you get a screenshot with the error message showing? (the forums take .png uploads)
17:58 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl the guy who pm'd you just started talking to me about his server problems
17:58 <Your_mom_arma> no clue who it is
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's durka :)
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> we're at "are you sure you opened the right ports"?
17:59 <Your_mom_arma> heh
17:59 <wrtlprnft> I'll answer later...
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> and he seems to have given up on the thread
17:59 <wrtlprnft> currently busy with all the bugs and my physics project
18:00 <MaZuffeR> mp3s wont work for me either, ogg works though
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> windows?
18:01 <MaZuffeR> yes
18:01 * Lucifer_arma thinks this sounds like maybe sdl_mixer was built without mp3 support
18:01 <Vanhayes> ya I use windows too
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18:03 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: when you respond, remind him that I'm still waiting for him to find out what his router thinks his public IP address is :)
18:03 * Lucifer_arma has changed his mind
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> silly wants us to just build the house without first laying down a foundation
18:04 * Lucifer_arma grumbles about mac users and their silly emphasis on form over function
18:04 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=61091#61091
18:04 <wrtlprnft> :P
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, at least you were more polite than I was going to be :)
18:05 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:06 <wrtlprnft> [quote="Oscilloscope"]blah[/quote]isn't polite at all :D
18:06 <MaZuffeR> Lucifer_arma: http://www.mazuffer.com/temp/screenshot_7.png
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> Man, he just keeps grumbling, and whenever we ask what he really wants, he just bitches that nobody's listening
18:06 <wrtlprnft> ok, what's next?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> tab completion or gauge disabling?
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> figure out if sdl_mixer on windows was built with mp3 support?
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: bump. Is sdl_mixer on windows built with mp3 support, do you know?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 1-4 = tab, 5-6 = gauge
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18:07 <wrtlprnft> #superdice 1 6
18:07 <armabot> Results: 4 || Sum: 4
18:07 <wrtlprnft> tab :)
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, armabot's not interested in playing up to "do it like the other guys" :)
18:08 * Lucifer_arma likes that girl!
18:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> armabot: if you were a woman and I wasn't already married, I'd ask you out
18:08 <wrtlprnft> note that it wansn't exactly fair for the gauge disabling thin
18:08 <wrtlprnft> g
18:08 * Lucifer_arma noticed
18:08 <Vanhayes> MY error is the exact same as MaZuffeR 's.
18:09 <wrtlprnft> tab completion is in my head for a longer time
18:10 * Lucifer_arma grumbles about not having a working arma client right now
18:10 <spidey|2> heh
18:10 <wrtlprnft> can't you get a binary?
18:10 <wrtlprnft> omg fortress is save now! party!
18:12 <spidey|2> Lucifer_arma, be even worse than SMPEG audio support; SDL_mixer, the library can be built with MP3 support or
18:12 <spidey|2> google maybe
18:13 <spidey|2> mayne*
18:14 <Vanhayes> did you just try to correct a word that was spelt right, with one that wasnt?
18:14 <spidey|2> yes
18:15 <spidey|2> may-n
18:15 <spidey|2> say may and add ne :p
18:15 <spidey|2> it's "slang" d00d
18:15 <spidey|2> :p
18:15 <Vanhayes> I dont't get it
18:15 <Vanhayes> many?
18:16 <spidey|2> no
18:16 <spidey|2> say may
18:16 <spidey|2> then nee
18:16 <spidey|2> nvm
18:16 * spidey|2 pokes Vanhayes
18:16 <Vanhayes> maynee?
18:16 <spidey|2> :|
18:16 <Vanhayes> it doesnt sound like a word
18:16 <spidey|2> it's not...
18:16 <spidey|2> i said it's slang
18:16 <Vanhayes> for what?
18:17 <spidey|2> man...
18:17 <spidey|2> it sounds like main
18:17 <spidey|2> lol
18:17 <Vanhayes> O
18:17 <Vanhayes> I get it now
18:17 <spidey|2> LOL
18:17 <Vanhayes> #hose spidey
18:17 <armabot> armabot hoses everyone down.
18:17 <Vanhayes> damn
18:17 <spidey|2> pwnt
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18:18 <Vanhayes> #puke spidey
18:19 <spidey|2> pwn
18:19 <Vanhayes> #barh spidey
18:19 <Vanhayes> #barf spidey
18:19 <armabot> /me throws up all over spidey
18:19 <Vanhayes> lol
18:19 <spidey|2> lol
18:19 -!- spidey|2 is now known as McSpiddles
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18:23 <Vanhayes> #google fight Firefox Opera
18:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Firefox: 468000000, Opera: 441000000
18:24 <wrtlprnft> barely
18:24 <wrtlprnft> opera still rocks more than firefox sucks :P
18:24 <Vanhayes> I like opera better myself too
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "firefox sucks" "opera rocks"
18:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: opera rocks: 8660000, firefox sucks: 5740000
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> yep
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "firefox rocks" "opera sucks"
18:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: firefox rocks: 22100000, opera sucks: 3840000
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "Vanhayes sucks" "Lucifer rules"
18:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer rules: 1310000, Vanhayes sucks: 3
18:35 <Vanhayes> lol
18:35 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes rules Lucifer sucks
18:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: rules: 1530000000, sucks: 80300000, Lucifer: 10300000, Vanhayes: 216
18:36 <Vanhayes> er
18:36 <Vanhayes> #google fight "Vanhayes rules" "Lucifer sucks"
18:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lucifer sucks: 265000, Vanhayes rules: 25
18:37 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes McSpiddles
18:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: 216, McSpiddles: 1
18:37 <Vanhayes> lol pwnt
18:38 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "pwnt" "bad spellers suck ass"
18:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: pwnt: 382000, bad spellers suck ass: 18100
18:38 <Vanhayes> ha pwnt
18:38 <Vanhayes> #google search McSpiddles
18:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.57 seconds)
18:38 <Vanhayes> hmm
18:40 <wrtlprnft> grrmpf, what am i now supposed to use for positions in strings?
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> Probably just gave McSpiddles a pity point
18:40 <McSpiddles> "|
18:40 <McSpiddles> :|
18:40 <wrtlprnft> tString::size_type, unsigned, size_t... what?!
18:40 <McSpiddles> #google fight Vanhayes McSpiddles
18:40 <armabot> McSpiddles: Vanhayes: 216, McSpiddles: 1
18:40 <McSpiddles> ?
18:41 <McSpiddles> #google fight McSpiddles Vanhayes
18:41 <armabot> McSpiddles: Vanhayes: 216, McSpiddles: 1
18:41 <wrtlprnft> #g McSpiddles
18:41 <McSpiddles> !!!!!
18:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:41 <wrtlprnft> #google McSpiddles
18:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.61 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
18:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:41 <wrtlprnft> worthless one
18:41 <Vanhayes> there is only one McSpiddles and it is freenode stats
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> #google Vanhayes
18:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.17 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; na-wt.org :: Viewing profile: <http://na-wt.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32&sid=c4ba6d2fd154eed7d5625a0aa7bf5aae>; BREAKZ.BE :: drum'n'bass community: <http://www.breakz.be/portal/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=vanhayes>; tron.plantpeanuts.co.uk (3 more messages)
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> #more
18:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: :: Viewing profile: <http://tron.plantpeanuts.co.uk/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22&sid=4523a6bc2b08d1d004297b6c1fb57159>; tron.plantpeanuts.co.uk :: Search: <http://tron.plantpeanuts.co.uk/search.php?search_author=Vanhayes&sid=3da8fd430f086e1c67e0392c7fee53cd>; wotmania: feed your wheel of time addiction: <http://www.wotmania.com/yourwotmaniaprofile.asp?UserID=36876>; (2 more messages)
18:41 <Vanhayes> stalker
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> #more
18:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: drumandbass.at - Members List: <http://v3.drumandbass.at/board/memberlist.php?s=6a35bd692f8cd4f171976f0e06c8f739<r=V>; Alien Arena 2006 Stats: <http://users.adelphia.net/~alienrace/stats/stats6.html>; Petfinder.com Message Boards :: View Forum - Happy Tails [ ]: <http://forums.petfinder.com/viewforum.php?f=3&topicdays=0&start=450&>; German Borg - Web Links: <http://www. (1 more message)
18:42 <McSpiddles> wow
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> #more
18:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: german-borg.de/modules.php?name=Web_Links>
18:42 <McSpiddles> i have 4924 on spidey
18:42 <McSpiddles> die spidey
18:42 <Vanhayes> I just made it onto the list
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> what list?
18:42 <Vanhayes> search McSpiddles on google
18:43 <Vanhayes> http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
18:43 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has left #armagetron ["Skrew the best,Salute the rest"]
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> spidey 4924 "tell me your not really in sp!?"
18:43 -!- McSpiddles is now known as spidey
18:43 <spidey> lalalalal
18:44 <spidey> spidey 4924 "tell me your not really in sp!?"
18:44 <spidey> hahahaha
18:44 <spidey> random quote
18:44 <Lucifer_arma> It seems that gnorty's shift-key is hanging: 2.7% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
18:44 <Lucifer_arma> For example, like this:
18:44 <Lucifer_arma> <Gnorty> SP_NUM_AIS 0
18:44 <spidey> and i like it
18:44 <Vanhayes> hmm when did I say "what are the meters on the right?"?
18:44 <Lucifer_arma> looking at my cockpit
18:44 <Vanhayes> o ya
18:44 <Vanhayes> wasnt that yesturday?
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 297 times!
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> Another lonely one was Lucifer_arma, who managed to hit 291 times.
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> the stat script runs daily
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know why guru3 doesn't have the link to it in the subject anymore. Maybe he just figured out we were spamming it?
18:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:46 <spidey> lol
18:46 <wrtlprnft> 5 lines :P
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Vanhayes> "Lucifer_arma is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 30 times.
18:46 <Vanhayes> For example, like this:
18:46 <Vanhayes> * Lucifer_arma smacks forehead
18:46 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 29 times."
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <Vanhayes> bully
18:46 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: get a new nick
18:46 * Lucifer_arma whacks wrtlprnft
18:46 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 <LuciEatsPeople> I WANT TO WIN WITH CAPITAL LETTERS
18:46 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
18:47 <Vanhayes> then again u were attacked the most too
18:47 <Vanhayes> Poor Lucifer_arma, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 26 times
18:47 -!- fcukfcuk [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
18:47 <fcukfcuk> fuck
18:47 <fcukfcuk> shit
18:47 <fcukfcuk> ass
18:47 <fcukfcuk> bullshit
18:47 <fcukfcuk> fuck
18:48 <Vanhayes> wow
18:48 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
18:48 <LuciEatsPeople> SUCK MY ASS NUTS YOU LITTLE TURD
18:48 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
18:48 <fcukfcuk> stupid
18:48 <fcukfcuk> idiot
18:48 <fcukfcuk> shit
18:48 <fcukfcuk> ass
18:48 <fcukfcuk> bullshit
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's wrtlprnft
18:48 -!- fcukfcuk [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
18:48 <Vanhayes> lol
18:48 * wrtlprnft knows nothing
18:49 <wrtlprnft> that was for the foul language stat
18:49 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as wrtlprnft_jerk
18:49 <wrtlprnft_jerk> shit
18:49 <wrtlprnft_jerk> fuck
18:49 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:49 <wrtlprnft_jerk> ass shit dickhead cock tit foul language buttmunch
18:49 <wrtlprnft_jerk> [04:48 pm] <fcukfcuk> stupid [04:48 pm] <fcukfcuk> idiot [04:48 pm] <fcukfcuk> shit [04:48 pm] <fcukfcuk> ass [04:48 pm] <fcukfcuk> bullshit
18:50 -!- You're now known as Lucifer_arma_jer
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> shit
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> fuck
18:50 <wrtlprnft_jerk> CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME YOU LITTLE SHITHEAD!
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> ass shit dickhead cock tit foul language buttmunch
18:50 <k> lol
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME YOU LITTLE SHITHEAD!
18:50 <wrtlprnft_jerk> ASSWIPE
18:50 <wrtlprnft_jerk> JERK-OFF
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> ASSWIPE
18:50 <wrtlprnft_jerk> FUCK-EATER
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> JERK-OFF
18:50 <wrtlprnft_jerk> (WHATEVER THAT IS)
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> FUCK-EATER
18:50 <Lucifer_arma_jer> (WHATEVER THAT IS)
18:50 -!- wrtlprnft_jerk is now known as Lucifer_arma
18:51 -!- You're now known as wrtlrnft
18:51 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:51 * wrtlprnft can't spell his name
18:53 <Your_mom_arma> why dont hud tables dissapear when typing
18:54 <wrtlprnft> they don't if they are defined in viewport="all"
18:57 <Your_mom_arma> thanks
18:57 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:06 <Vanhayes> Hmm I have .m3u playlist with ogg music on it, it doesnt have that eroor on it anymore and it shows what song is playing but I dont hear anything but the regular sounds
19:07 <Vanhayes> also whenever I switch the song the Time/Fps/timstamp thing moves with it
19:07 <MaZuffeR> try MUSIC_VOLUME 20
19:08 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: in the next version you've gotta thank pavelo for the tab completion, too
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19:09 <Lucifer_arma> TRY UNMUTING YOUR OS MIXER DEVICE
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> um, hmmm. :
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> :)
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> did you bind volume keys? the default for music is full-blast
19:10 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, Ya he was telling me about his code. SHould make me even lazier
19:10 <wrtlprnft> hehe
19:10 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, I did bind them and tried that MUSIC_VOLUME 20 but it didnt work
19:10 <wrtlprnft> no way those clan tags a la ~*SP*~ idiot can annoy me anymore ;)
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> try switching tracks? See if there's a track that plays? Sometimes I get silence...
19:11 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/19df8c
19:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's the change i made
19:11 <wrtlprnft> neatly packed on one line O_o
19:11 <spidey> dude
19:12 <spidey> my cockpit's gone :(
19:12 <spidey> and it won't reload
19:12 <Lucifer_arma> 0.3.0 branch!
19:12 <wrtlprnft> what's COCKPIT_FILE set to?
19:12 <wrtlprnft> gah, true
19:12 <spidey> the standard
19:12 <wrtlprnft> we can probably merge all i put into the trunk to 0.3.0
19:12 <wrtlprnft> they're all not terribly big things
19:13 <Lucifer_arma> umm, you don't merge to a branch, you merge from a branch
19:13 <wrtlprnft> so, what do i do then?
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're going to do it, do it now before there's a lot. I suspect I"ll be doing the merging back to the trunk and I'd really prefer not to have a lot of conflicts over this :)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> and how are the changes z-man-work merged from 0.2.8 gonna get into 0.0.3?
19:14 <wrtlprnft> *0.3.0
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> they're not
19:14 <wrtlprnft> wow
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> he merged into the trunk after the branch, right?
19:14 <wrtlprnft> stuff in 0.2.8 is supposed to be stable anyways
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be in 0.3.1 :)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> so it can well fit into a dev version
19:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, and how exactly do I merge in a way that makes you, Luke-Jr and z-man-work happy?
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that's not the only concern. Stuff from a stable branch can break the trunk from time to time
19:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, depending on the change you could just redo it with a simple copy and paste
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> how big are the changes we're talking about?
19:16 <wrtlprnft> what changes were made in 0.3 anyways?
19:16 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
19:16 <wrtlprnft> probably it's different files anyways
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> no changes yet that I know of, the branch is so I can fix the music stuff that's broke and take any perceived lock off the trunk so people can tear it up again that are't involved with 0.3.0
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> "tear up the trunk" happened to include z-man's 0.2.8 merge :)
19:17 <wrtlprnft> go figure
19:18 <wrtlprnft> the only change there involves eSoundMixer.cpp
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> bugfixes really should get brought back to 0.3.0 branch, and if you anticipate making any more (I wouldn't if I were you), you should keep a checkout around of 0.3.0 for that
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> pavelo's patch can be left out of 0.3.0 if you don't really want to deal with bringing it back, it's up to you, really.
19:18 <wrtlprnft> well.
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> but if you make any more chanes that you want in 0.3.0, you need to checkout the branch
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it looks like I'm the only one that changed the trunk
19:19 <wrtlprnft> and the only change in 0.3.0 is that one file
19:19 <wrtlprnft> so can't we just backport the eSoundMixer.cpp thing, delete the branch, and re- create it?
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm. If you'd like to do that, knock yourself out, but that'll only be like the 3rd time the branch has been created. :) I guess we're still getting used to svn
19:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I can't do anything until I fix my computer, and tht's not happening until after my calc test
19:21 <wrtlprnft> or i can just create a tarball of all the files I changed and bring that over to the trunk
19:22 <wrtlprnft> s/trunk/0.3.0
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> see if you can get svn to give you a patch, then just read through the patch and make sure there aren't any changes you don't know about,
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> then apply the patch to a branch checkout and commit :)
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's all it would do during a merge anyway...
19:30 <wrtlprnft> I'll just make the patch and cut out what i don't like :P
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19:34 <Lucifer_arma> hi Tange
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> konversation doesn't have tab completion for people with annoying tags in their names
19:34 <wrtlprnft> won't work in IRC
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> can you apply your patch to konversation for me while you're at it? ;)
19:34 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:37 <spidey> i can't do it
19:37 <spidey> i try to play on mbc and i bug todath :/
19:37 <spidey> death
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20:08 <Vanhayes> #night
20:08 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
20:08 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034180156.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
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21:09 <wrtlprnft> bf fortress is empty? at this time?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> wow.
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21:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man must have really scared them off
21:15 <spidey> lucifer....
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> what?
21:16 <spidey> how the hell did wizz's FPS go up by about 20-25 when mine and most everyone else that tride it dropped by 20-30
21:16 <spidey> from using the alpha build
21:17 <wrtlprnft> it's more load on the CPU, less on the GPU now
21:17 <spidey> tryed
21:17 <wrtlprnft> the font *should* be faster than before
21:17 <wrtlprnft> but the cockpit and stuff eat away CPU time
21:17 <spidey> but mine still goes down :(
21:17 * spidey has enough cpu so that doesn't matter
21:18 <wrtlprnft> then something else is in the way... got a profiler handy?
21:18 <spidey> profiler?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:18 <spidey> what's that xD
21:18 <wrtlprnft> tells you how much time the program spends in every function
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> does wiz use linux?
21:18 <spidey> n
21:18 <spidey> no
21:18 <spidey> she's on windows
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> you're playing it on windows, too, still?
21:18 <spidey> onboard gfx to...
21:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: that's why
21:19 <wrtlprnft> onboard gfx = pci?
21:19 <spidey> ywhy?
21:19 <spidey> no
21:19 <wrtlprnft> but?
21:19 <spidey> integrated
21:19 <Luke-Jr> like wrtlprnft said, less GPU load
21:19 <wrtlprnft> ...
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's usually agp, but it's usuly kinda shitty
21:19 <spidey> Luke-Jr, me and wizz have integrated gfx
21:19 <spidey> my cpu isn't the problem :p
21:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you do also?
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> me too :)
21:19 <spidey> yes i do
21:19 <Luke-Jr> weird
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> but I get comparable fps
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> do you use a moviepack? does wiz?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> and more memory useage on the graphics card
21:20 <spidey> i get 20-26 now :<
21:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what i get :P
21:20 <spidey> wizz uses a custom one
21:20 <spidey> i use default
21:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what i ever got
21:20 <Luke-Jr> integrated gfx usually share system RAM
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I use a moviepack too....
21:20 <spidey> wrtlprnft, yes but i get 60+ when i use the older ones :p
21:20 <spidey> that's half cut in it
21:20 <spidey> and a bit laggy sorta
21:20 <spidey> like motion sickness
21:20 <spidey> xD
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> windows versions?
21:21 <spidey> yea
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> yours and wiz...
21:21 <spidey> worse in linux
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> what are they?
21:21 <spidey> intel
21:21 <spidey> extreme
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> both in winXP service pack 20000?
21:21 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:21 <spidey> winxp
21:21 <spidey> i got sp 2
21:22 <spidey> i think
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> and wiz?
21:22 <spidey> :/
21:22 <wrtlprnft> aren't they at sp4 now? or was that win2000?
21:22 <spidey> no
21:22 <spidey> oh
21:22 <spidey> yea she does too
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I assume that when onboard gfx shares system ram you dont' ahve to pump textures across the agp bus?
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21:23 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ /usr/sbin/lspci | grep -i graphics ~
21:23 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
21:23 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
21:23 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: not sure
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> I lost some fps with the first font revision, but didn't lose any with the cockpit
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> then wrtlprnft did some extra work and my fps came back up to normal
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> so I've neither lost nor gained any...
21:24 <wrtlprnft> that was with FONT_TYPE 3?
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> yes
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> what's the default font_type set at?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> 3
21:25 <spidey> 1
21:25 <spidey> 3?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> 3! 3! 3!
21:25 <wrtlprnft> always
21:25 <spidey> i use 4
21:26 <spidey> it's cool
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> what's 4 do?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> polygon font
21:26 <spidey> double lined
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:26 <wrtlprnft> ah, no, outline font then
21:26 <spidey> yea
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> set it to 3 and quit whining until you do that :)
21:26 <spidey> ugh
21:26 <spidey> dude
21:26 <spidey> i first said something about it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> 3 should be the fastest
21:26 <spidey> when it was set to default
21:26 <spidey> :)
21:27 <spidey> my fps stay at 26 weither or not i use 3 or 4
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> change to my cockpit and see if it changes
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how much of a difference that should make, but my cockpit is smaller
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> or better yet, make a blank cockpit and change to that
21:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that won't work
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's the minimum a cockpit file needs to not break?
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> why?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> you need the framerate meter somewhere :P
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
21:28 <spidey> l,ol
21:28 <wrtlprnft> if you want no cockpit at all you can just specify a nonexistent file
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, a cockpit file with just a frame meter :)
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, if he did that he could't complain about lost fps he doesn't know about...
21:28 <spidey> :/
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> it may also be problems in the sound system, actually
21:28 <spidey> oh yea
21:28 <spidey> sounds are weird
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> try turning off sound if you haven't already
21:29 <spidey> i did
21:29 <spidey> but
21:29 <spidey> they don't turn off
21:29 <wrtlprnft> can't we provide a build with sound disabled, just to see if it gets better for someone?
21:29 <spidey> so i turn my speakers down
21:29 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that won't help the performance
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> we could, you want to make it? :)
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a define...
21:29 <spidey> wrtlprnft, no but then i don't have to listen to that headache sound when i turn :p
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> (if you were using linux, spidey, you could build with sound disabled)
21:30 <spidey> lol
21:30 <spidey> it's the way i got everything setup
21:30 <spidey> i can't play on the linux one unless i move everything around
21:30 <spidey> and it's way to much shit to move
21:30 * wrtlprnft notes that building armagetron is possible on windows too
21:30 <wrtlprnft> but a pain in the a**
21:31 <spidey> mmmm
21:31 <spidey> it's in C right?
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> C++, and everything you need to build it is free
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not like you need to go get a job to buy MS VS 2003 or anything
21:32 <spidey> fuck that
21:32 <spidey> i'd pirate it :p
21:32 <spidey> i've got VS actually
21:32 <spidey> only supports VB6 though
21:34 <wrtlprnft> screw VC6, we're starting to stop supporting it
21:35 <spidey> VB6!!!!
21:35 <spidey> visual basics
21:35 <spidey> derrr
21:35 <wrtlprnft> screw VC* unless you really have a reason to use it
21:35 <wrtlprnft> err, i meant VC6
21:35 <spidey> yes
21:35 <spidey> i do
21:35 <spidey> gcc skips for me
21:35 <wrtlprnft> then fix gcc
21:35 <spidey> ....
21:36 <wrtlprnft> I don't think the 0.3 client even compiles with VC6
21:36 <spidey> :|
21:36 <wrtlprnft> sorry, VC6 doesn't support many of the cool things you can do with VC6
21:36 <wrtlprnft> err
21:36 <wrtlprnft> sorry, VC6 doesn't support many of the cool things you can do with c++
21:37 <spidey> lucifer,i think that maybe the reason i skip along like in the recording i sent you
21:38 <spidey> cause before when i used gcc it was completely unplayable,but the the .3 and 2.8.2 it's sorta playable,except when i smack into a wall xD
21:38 <spidey> and vc8 doesn't even start,lol
21:39 <wrtlprnft> stop having some totally f***ed up system?
21:39 <spidey> .......
21:39 <spidey> it's not fucked up
21:39 <spidey> it's a legit cd i used
21:40 <wrtlprnft> and, uh, how much illegal software on it?
21:41 <spidey> none....
21:41 <spidey> i've got alot of .rars and .zips on my warez drive
21:41 <spidey> but none in stalled
21:41 <spidey> nothing touches this drive unless it has to
21:41 <spidey> ~game installs~ mostly
21:41 <spidey> and i've only got 3
21:41 <spidey> not including tron
21:42 <wrtlprnft> well, the trouble is that you have some weird problems with gcc builds, and that's most likely not our fault
21:42 <spidey> didn't say it was,i've never been able to support a gcc build,not even on a fresh install
21:44 <spidey> ok,which one of these .3 sources i need?
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=61201#61201 heh
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> the zip, most likely
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> the zip is for windows, tarballs are for linux. It's line endings that's the difference, I believe.
21:47 -!- [NP]Tangent_ is now known as [NP]Tangent
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> arg, what am I doing wrong? :(
21:49 <spidey> ?
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've worked out an integral 4 times for this thing and worked each one through to get the *wrong* answer
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> line passes through (6,8) and (10,0). What's the equation for it?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> err
21:53 <wrtlprnft> slope is -8/4
21:53 <wrtlprnft> so it's -2
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> I get y=-2x + 20
21:54 <wrtlprnft> #g -2*10+20
21:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (-2 * 10) + 20 = 0
21:54 <wrtlprnft> should be correct
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's a symmetric trapezoid under water, with the top of the figure at the surface of the water, and the bottom is 8 feet deep
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I put my origin in the middle of the base of the trapezoid
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> what's the depth of a point on the line?
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> the point has coordinates (x,y)
21:55 <wrtlprnft> feet?!
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I get 8-y
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> feet, yes
21:55 <wrtlprnft> #g 8 feet in m
21:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 8 feet = 2.4384 meters
21:55 <wrtlprnft> let's continue with that
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I have to answer in lbs, so let's not :)
21:56 <wrtlprnft> omg
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> don't worry, half the problems are in meters
21:56 <wrtlprnft> metres please :P
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> honestly you can ignore the units
21:57 <wrtlprnft> you somehow need to know the lengths of the bases of the trapezoid
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> I know those, but I haven't told you what I'm trying to figure out
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then tell me?
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> hydrostatic pressure on the figure :)
21:58 <wrtlprnft> that rises linearly with depth?
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm using 62.4 lbs for water pressure, and that's 62.4 lbs * depth (feet)
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> the line is the right-hand side of the trapezoid
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> but it does rise linearly with depth
21:59 <wrtlprnft> which base of the trapezoid is bigger, the top or the bottom?
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> bottom
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> so, since the pressure of the water changes with depth, I'm chopping the figure horizontally to make it a constant
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> then I'm figuring out the water pressure on a slice of the figure
22:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah, makes sense
22:00 <wrtlprnft> and then count them all together
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> then I put that into an integral, the result is the total pressure on the figure
22:00 <wrtlprnft> and then get a formula and let the number of slices go -> oo
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> right. or let the height of the slices go to 0, which is how he wants us to think about it :)
22:01 <wrtlprnft> whatever
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> so, the right-hand edge of a slice is at coordinates (x,y) on the line, the equation of which we just figure out
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that means the length will be 2 times that
22:02 <wrtlprnft> then you get the area of your rectangle, length times height, and multiply that by your pressure
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> To get the presure on the slice, it's pressure * area of the slice, where pressure is 62.4 lbs * depth
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> so, since every point on the slice has the same y coordinate, and the surface of the water is at y=8, I do 8-y to get the depth for the slice, right?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:03 <wrtlprnft> just try one big slice first..
22:04 <wrtlprnft> that would be l(top)*h*p0*0
22:04 <wrtlprnft> so 0 for that
22:04 <wrtlprnft> 2 slices:
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, the size of the slice doesn't matter, work with variables instead because when I get the riemann sum out of it and put it in the integral, all slices get counted automatically
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's the point of the exercise :)
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> so the length of a slice is 2x
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> the height is delta-y
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> area of the slice is 2x * delta-y
22:05 <wrtlprnft> now you somehow lost me :(
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> can't have x's, I need all y's.
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> just like programming, man. I'm trying to construct a formula that will give me the force on a single slice
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not trying to compute the force on a slice, just building a formula
22:06 <wrtlprnft> I'd like to get a formula for the pressure if you cut it into n slices
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> delta-y is the number that will go to zero
22:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah, same thing as the number of slices going to oo
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> right. the integral will take care of that for me, so we just need to get one slice and stick it in an integral, that's all :)
22:07 <wrtlprnft> (/me is still working with the number of slices)
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> so the area of a slice is 2x * delta-y
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> (the base is 20 and the top is 12 on the trapezoid, if you were wondering, that's why the right edge passes through the points I gave when the origin is placed at the bottom)
22:08 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> so I need x in terms of y to make the area formula all y's
22:09 <wrtlprnft> that's why you have that linear equation
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> I get x = 10 - (1/2)y
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's why I needed the equation of the line :)
22:10 <wrtlprnft> so you have 2x*delta-y*(10-1/2)y
22:10 <wrtlprnft> oops
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> no x anymore, right? 2 * (10-(1/2)y) * delta-y ?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> so you have 2x*delta-y*(10-1/2y)
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> no x anymore? substitute for x, the x is gone
22:11 <wrtlprnft> and that thing is a sum, with y going from 0 to 8ft in steps of 8/delta-y
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> right... :)
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> so, the force for the whole figure is pressure * area, where area is a delta too
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> pressure was 624*(8-y), right?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> er, 62.4
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I get 62.4 * (8 - y) * 2 * (10 - (1/2)y) * delta-y
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's force on the slice
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> so when you add up all those for all the slices, you get force on the figure
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's a Riemann Sum, so I can make it an integral, except I think I did this integral already, but I'll go back through it again
22:15 <wrtlprnft> back, sorry
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I pull out the constant (62.4 * 2) and end up with this:
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> (8 - y)( 10 - (1/2)y )
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> #g (8 - y)( 10 - (1/2)y )
22:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> it was worth a shot :)
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #g (8 - y)( 10 - (1/2)*y )
22:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #g (8 - y)*( 10 - (1/2)*y )
22:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> aaah
22:16 <wrtlprnft> there's a y
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g (8 - 1)( 10 - (1/2)2 )
22:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g (8 - 1)* ( 10 - (1/2)2 )
22:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #g (8 - 1)*( 10 - (1/2)*1 )
22:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (8 - 1) * (10 - ((1 / 2) * 1)) = 66.5
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g (8 - 1) * ( 10 - (1/2) * 2 )
22:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (8 - 1) * (10 - ((1 / 2) * 2)) = 63
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g (8 - y) * ( 10 - (1/2) * y )
22:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so google can't do algebra
22:16 <wrtlprnft> nope
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> so, multiply it out :)
22:17 * Lucifer_arma goes to multiply it out himself
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I get 80 - 14y + (1/2)y^2
22:18 <wrtlprnft> any way to factor that?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was factored
22:19 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:19 <wrtlprnft> dunno what you need
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> umm, yeah, actually, I can take 1/2 out of it
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, now I need to integrate it
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> and then evaluate the integral from 0 to 8
22:19 <wrtlprnft> you're now entering territory i know absolutely nothing about :P
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> see, you were going to use a sum on it, remember?
22:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:19 <wrtlprnft> but then, that integral thing
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the sum we put together has the special name of Riemann Sum, and when you let the number of slices go to infinity, you get the area under the graph or something like that
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> remember the derivative way back when?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> that deltay over deltax function?
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> nonono, months ago
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was that deltay over deltax thing
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> the slope of the tangent line to a point on a graph, you went and looked at wikipedia at the product rule and some other stuff
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, yeah, you're right, sorry :)
22:21 * Lucifer_arma is smoking crack
22:21 <wrtlprnft> like, the derivative of y=x^2 is y=2x
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> integration is the inverse operation of derivation
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> *differentiation
22:22 <[NP]Tangent> gah
22:22 <[NP]Tangent> stupid highlight
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> integration is the inverse operation of differentiation
22:22 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:22 * [NP]Tangent throws a sinewave at Lucifer_arma
22:22 <wrtlprnft> its derivative is a coswave!
22:22 * Lucifer_arma catches it and tosses back a -cos
22:22 <wrtlprnft> hehe
22:22 <[NP]Tangent> NO!
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> right, but it's antiderivative is -cos(x)
22:22 <[NP]Tangent> not derivatives!
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> because I am the Integrator!
22:23 <wrtlprnft> so you're given y=2x and need to find y=x^2?
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> yep
22:23 <[NP]Tangent> I'm the operator with my pocket calculator
22:23 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> so that big old polynomial we just put together, I need to integrate it
22:23 * wrtlprnft pulls out kcalc and pulls it over [NP]Tangent's head
22:23 * Lucifer_arma goes to integrate it
22:24 <[NP]Tangent> y=2x, y=x^2, x=2 and y=4
22:24 <[NP]Tangent> :D
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I get 80y - (14/2) * y^2 + (1/6) * y^3
22:25 <wrtlprnft> that's not what i meant [NP]Tangent
22:25 <[NP]Tangent> yeah
22:25 <[NP]Tangent> I'm gonna go listen to stupid music now
22:25 <wrtlprnft> anyways, is there any understandable proof why sin functions have all those special features?
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> which ones in particular?
22:26 <wrtlprnft> like, if you add any two sine functions with the same period, you get another sin function
22:26 <wrtlprnft> the derivative thing, (dx/dy)sinx = cosx
22:27 <wrtlprnft> all those little things I'm just reading, hearing etc and i have no idea why
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we didn't prove sin`(x) = cos(x) really
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we looked it over.
22:27 <wrtlprnft> ` = derivative?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was (dy/dx)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, "prime" it says
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> there's two notations, and I'm lazy so I dont like leibnitz's notation
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I only use it when I have to
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and who actually says soundwaves are sin waves?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so what's arcsin(sin(x)) = ?
22:28 <wrtlprnft> x
22:28 <wrtlprnft> within limits
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> right, so you lay that out
22:29 <wrtlprnft> if x = pi you'll get 0
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> arcsin( (sin(x) ) = x
22:29 <wrtlprnft> ok, got that
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> then you implicitly differentiate the whole thing, and you get this:
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I forgot already
22:30 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> nevermind, I was just going to show you how to differentiate arcsin, not sin
22:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, duh
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> you do the quotient thing on it
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> difference quotient
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's what it is
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> the difference quotient is:
22:32 <wrtlprnft> arcsin(x+a)*arcsin(x-a)/2a
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> ( f(x + h) - f(x) ) / h
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so:
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> ( sin(x + h) - sin(x) ) /h
22:33 <wrtlprnft> arcsin or sin now?
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> in trig we learned a formula that takes care of sin(x + h)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> sin, it's the one you were asking about
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> also in trig we proved that formula
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so you get:
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> (sin x cos h + cos x sin h - sin x) / h
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> because my teacher told me to, we split it up into two fractions:
22:34 <wrtlprnft> that was some trig identity, right?
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ( ( sin x cos h - sin x) / h ) + (cos x sin h) / h)
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, trig identity
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> now you factor out sin x on the left and rewrite it to look like this:
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> sin x * ( ( cos h - 1) / h ) + cos x * (sin h) / h
22:36 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> now take the limit as h->0 for each term that has an h in it
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the one on the left goes to 0 and the one on the right goes to 1, so you have:
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> sin x * 0 + cos x * 1
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> which is, of course, cos x
22:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:37 <wrtlprnft> now I'd just need proof of those limit rules ;)
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the difference quotient is the definition of the derivative as h->0, the other rules are derived from that :)
22:37 <wrtlprnft> and of the trig identity you used, we never got to prove that, either
22:38 <wrtlprnft> but thanks :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that was one of the ones we *did* prove :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> we don't have a formal proof of limits to work with right now, we just have the concept and graphical representation and some neat tools to use to find limits
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> the proof of it is waiting in front of me, but first I hae to finish this integration
22:38 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:38 <wrtlprnft> getting somewhere
22:39 * wrtlprnft hopes he's not disturbing Lucifer_arma's study
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> my calculator gave me the right answer, or at least was pretty close to the one in the back of the book, which is an approximation for some reason
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> so back to the integration :)
22:39 <wrtlprnft> maybe because you aren't supposed to get the exact result?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I get 80y - (14/2) * y^2 + (1/6) * y^3
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> teacher says if we can work it exactly, then we need to work it exactly
22:40 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, in your sum you went from 0 to 8 to get the force on the trapezoid, remember that?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> now we have y^3, how nice...
22:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> to do that with an integral, we take the function I just came up with (someone else could check my integration itself),
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> and do f(8) - f(0)
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> so plug in 8 and subtract the result of plugging in 0 (which is 0, you can tell that just by looking at it)
22:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure, they all contain y
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #g 80*8 - (14/2) * 8^2 + (1/6) * 8^3
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (80 * 8) - ((14 / 2) * (8^2)) + ((1 / 6) * (8^3)) = 277.333333
22:42 <wrtlprnft> so that's your force?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> you'll probably wanna multiply it by 2 since the trapezoid gets pressed on from both sides
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> no, when I constructed the integral I took out the constant
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> now I need to multiply by the constant. It was 62.4*2
22:44 <wrtlprnft> #g 277.333333 * 62.4*2
22:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 277.333333 * 62.4 * 2 = 34,611.2
22:44 <wrtlprnft> #g 34,611.2 lbs in mbar
22:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ah, right
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it's not pressure per area
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #g 34,611.2 lbs in N
22:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 34,611.2 pounds force = 153,958.288 newtons
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> the end unit is lbs
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> 3.5 x 10^4
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> #g 3.5 * 10^4
22:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 3.5 * (10^4) = 35,000
22:46 <wrtlprnft> #g 153,958.288 / ((6+10)*8/2)
22:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 153,958.288 / (((6 + 10) * 8) / 2) = 2,405.59825
22:46 <wrtlprnft> argh
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I don't know where I screwed up when I last had this integral on the page, but that's right :)
22:47 <wrtlprnft> #g ((6+10)*8/2) square feet in square metres
22:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (((6 + 10) * 8) / 2) * (square feet) = 5.94579456 square meters
22:47 <wrtlprnft> #g 153,958.288 / 5.94579456
22:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 153,958.288 / 5.94579456 = 25,893.6441
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that would be N per m^2
22:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, 1bar is 10 m of water
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, we're also only worried about the front face
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that makes 100,000N/m^2
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> my teacher at least made an excuse in his lecture that it was the porthole of a boat (he used a circle), but the book makes no such pretensions
22:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 2,405.59825 / 100,000
22:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2,405.59825 / 100,000 = 0.0240559825
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now it's a semicircle with a radius of 10m
22:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.0240559825 * 1000
22:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.0240559825 * 1,000 = 24.0559825
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> the top of the semicircle is also at the surface of the water
22:49 <wrtlprnft> woot, average of 24 mbar
22:49 <wrtlprnft> that's a bit too low i think
22:50 <wrtlprnft> so this time your width decreases by sqrt(r^2-h)?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> where h is depth
22:51 <wrtlprnft> and it's h^2, obviously
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> horizontal slice first :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> we're still figuring out delta-F for the slice, which is:
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> delta-F = pressure * delta-A
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> delta-A is area of a single slice, delta-F is force on a single slice, and pressure is pressure
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> actually, pressure is mass * acceleration due to gravity of the water, right?
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> (that's pounds in the english system, but now we're using your favorite units)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> ayway, for some reason I get pressure is 9.8 * 1000 * depth
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> and this time I place my origin at the center of the semicircle, so the surface of the water is at y=0
22:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i need to go to bed now... math exam tomorrow
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok. :( Well thanks though. I think I found my error here
22:55 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I decided to do 0-y for depth, but y is already negative, so it's a sign error
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I'll work it through again, though, for completeness and make sure I got the right answer :)
22:56 <wrtlprnft> ah, i need -55% on my exam to fail the course
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> what do you need to pass?
22:57 <wrtlprnft> anything above -55%?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha, duh
22:57 <wrtlprnft> :P
22:57 * Lucifer_arma whacks himself
22:57 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6.5 * 10^6
23:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 6.5 * (10^6) = 6,500,000
23:42 <spidey> some people i don't uderstand....
23:43 <spidey> this guy i've known for a bit is having money problems,and about to lose net,so i told him setup a paypal account and i'll help him pay half of it
23:43 <spidey> he basically told me to fuck off
23:43 <spidey> lol
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00:13 <spider_> hahah
00:13 <spider_> tron made my puter freeze
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01:56 <Lucifer_arma> someone send me an email
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> please :)
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02:11 <spidey> NO
02:11 <spidey> ok hold on
02:11 <spidey> :p
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02:52 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: thanks, I got it
02:52 <spidey> lol
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> I almost had kubuntu fixed, then I had to try to upgrde to dapper, nwo it's in worse shape
02:55 <G5_Ger> Test 1 2 3
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> 600kb/s
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> 4 5 6 tseT
02:55 <G5_Ger> Some people are colored (in my IRC client), other are not.
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> that just reflects the real world
02:56 <G5_Ger> s:-)
02:56 <G5_Ger> Flag is green - I hope not in the real world :)
02:56 <spidey> LOL
02:56 <G5_Ger> Lucifer and Spidey are kinda red
02:57 <spidey> hahahahah
02:57 <spidey> so i'm not the only redneck eh?
02:57 <spidey> >:P
02:57 * Lucifer_arma periodically wears a shirt that says "Redneck Dad"
02:57 <spidey> lol
02:57 <G5_Ger> So, guess it some kinda featue of this client and not a IRC feature?
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
02:57 <G5_Ger> *is
03:04 <spidey> Spidey, the shape of your hand reveals that you are especially good at Letting your love flow
03:04 <spidey> Based on the signs in your palm, you have much to gain by giving your affection freely to those that you care most about. By putting directed energy toward expressing your love, your efforts will be returned multi-fold.
03:04 <spidey> LOL
03:04 <spidey> http://web.tickle.com/tests/handanalysis
03:05 <G5_Ger> You see, the last time I used IRC (on a regular basis) was some 15 years ago ... so I'm not sure what has changed since then
03:06 <spidey> they had computers 15 years ago?
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> sure, problem is, Al Gore wasn't old enough to invent the internet 15 years ago
03:06 <spidey> heh
03:07 <G5_Ger> Lol
03:07 <SuPeRTaRD> was it composed of al gore rhythems ?
03:07 <SuPeRTaRD> -e
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> it was quite tipper.
03:08 <SuPeRTaRD> awww tipper c'mon!
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03:09 <G5_Ger> Internet speed was different in the late 80s ... getting some file from an ftp server at the other end of the world at 5 kb/s was great
03:11 <spidey> heh
03:11 <SuPeRTaRD> early 80's was different too
03:11 <spidey> i'm glad i was only 1 y/o then
03:11 <spidey> actually no
03:11 <spidey> i was born in 1989
03:12 <spidey> so i wasn't 1 till 1990 xD
03:13 <SuPeRTaRD> i remember when it was the shit to have a 1200 baud modem
03:13 <G5_Ger> My "computer life" started in 1984 ... without internet for 5 years
03:13 <spidey> ?
03:13 <spidey> i wouldn't have a "computer life" without internet
03:13 <G5_Ger> super: I never had a 1200 baud modem. went from 300 baud to 2400 baud :)
03:13 <spidey> no way i could sit there and play solitare all day
03:14 <SuPeRTaRD> or dilaing into austin bbs's with cradle phone modems on apple][e's
03:14 <SuPeRTaRD> i think they were 400 baud or mebbe less
03:14 <G5_Ger> spiday: Guess what? We meet other people in REAL LIFE to swap new stuff etc.
03:14 <SuPeRTaRD> u could _almost_ type faster than them
03:15 <G5_Ger> super: Yeah ... but they were 300 baud - im sure.
03:15 <SuPeRTaRD> yeh
03:15 <SuPeRTaRD> my memory is bad
03:15 <G5_Ger> An Apple ][ was my first computer too.
03:16 <SuPeRTaRD> my friends had apples & amigas,.. i mostly played on thiers, i had a tandy coco ... ;p then eventualy a 386
03:16 <G5_Ger> I remember in the bbs's we used ctrl-c to break menu display because it was so slow - and phone calls cost a lot of money
03:17 <spidey> heh
03:17 <SuPeRTaRD> bedtime here..
03:17 <SuPeRTaRD> ~�~ Zzz�
03:17 <G5_Ger> I switched from Apple ][+ to Amiga 1000 in 1986.
03:17 <G5_Ger> Good night!
03:17 <spidey> aint that about the time war dialers started?
03:18 <G5_Ger> blue boxing and stuff like that started in early 80s I think.
03:19 <spidey> that shit still work?
03:19 <G5_Ger> In the late 80s u could make up some credit card numbers and get free international calls
03:19 <spidey> i know if you cut the wires on the phone line,like the yellow one or something you can make free calls
03:19 <spidey> but does recording tones from coin drops actually work?
03:19 <G5_Ger> That never worked - at least not in Germany.
03:20 <G5_Ger> I guess it worked in the US
03:20 <spidey> yea on payphones you could cut one of the wires and make free calls i tihnk
03:20 <spidey> or either get the money out of it
03:20 <spidey> i forgot....
03:22 <G5_Ger> But u cares nowadays ... I have a cheap flat rate for DSL and phone calls ... no need to cheat
03:22 <G5_Ger> *who
03:22 <spidey> heh
03:22 <spidey> i just read it somewhere
03:23 <spidey> not really cheap for me though :/
03:23 <spidey> only 1 isp servicing cable in my area,it's pay there price or don't have it :(
03:24 <G5_Ger> Thats bad.
03:24 <spidey> yea
03:24 <spidey> but in september
03:24 <spidey> they're gonna HAVE to lower prices
03:24 <spidey> cause bellsouths gonna service dsl twice as fast and cheaper
03:25 <spidey> it'll be 6mbit/512kbit
03:25 <spidey> now i get 3mbit/256kbit
03:25 <G5_Ger> In the 80s I had a monthly phone bill of 150 to 180 marks (=75 to 90 US$). Today I got dsl and phone flat for all in all 45 Eur ~= 35 US$
03:26 <spidey> that's unfair
03:26 <spidey> my phone bill's $70
03:26 <G5_Ger> 3 or 6 mbit is nice ... I have only 515kb/128kb because nothing faster is available here. :(
03:27 <spidey> yea,i like my download
03:27 <spidey> but my upload could be faster
03:27 <spidey> i mean it is cable
03:27 <spidey> 30kb/s up is dsl speed :/
03:29 <G5_Ger> Internet by cable is not available in Germany (maybe in every few cities). All dsl here. Up to 16 mbit/512kbit if u are close enough to the service point
03:29 <spidey> whoa
03:29 <spidey> 16mbit dsl?
03:29 <spidey> you gotta get fios here to hit that speed
03:30 <G5_Ger> they call it "dsl 2" ... what ever it is
03:30 <spidey> lol
03:31 <G5_Ger> My DSL should be 2 mbit ... but Im too far away from the service point so it is only 0.5mbit :(
03:32 <spidey> :(
03:34 <G5_Ger> and just to clear that: "phone flat" means no international calls and no calls to cell phone. And no calls to 900 numbers. :-)
03:34 <spidey> for $70 we got
03:35 <spidey> free nation wide
03:35 <spidey> call waiting, 3 way
03:35 <spidey> caller id
03:35 <spidey> bunch of other shit i forgot
03:36 <G5_Ger> I see.
03:38 <G5_Ger> My "phone line" is ISDN ... that mean digital like two lines. Vey useful for families. :)
03:38 <G5_Ger> *Very
03:39 <spidey> cool
03:40 <G5_Ger> Ok, I will be away for some time ... see you later.
03:40 <spidey> cya
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03:53 <Lucifer_arma> $70 for all that shit?
03:53 * Lucifer_arma pays $23 for all that shit
04:40 <spidey> well
04:40 <spidey> our phone bill was over $300 this month
04:40 <spidey> fuckers keep calling collect
04:40 <spidey> sstupid bastards >.>
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> can't take collect calls on my phone :)
04:48 <G5_Ger> spidey: Are you alive?
04:48 <spidey> no
04:49 <G5_Ger> I lied to you ...
04:49 <spidey> ?
04:49 <G5_Ger> 45 Euros is not 35 but 55 US$ ...
04:49 <G5_Ger> I converted it the wrong way
04:49 <spidey> heh
04:50 <G5_Ger> Get yourself a new president and soon it will be 35 US$ :)
04:50 <spidey> i didn't vote for him
04:50 <spidey> lol
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05:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone in here got icq?
05:13 <madmax|pt> hello
05:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi madmax|pt
05:15 <spidey> hallo
05:20 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
05:20 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 11:00 AM WEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Rain. High:75 � F. / 24 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 � F. / 19 � C.; Chance of Rain. High:77 � F. / 25 � C.; Chance of Rain. (1 more message)
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05:23 <spidey> maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz
05:23 <spidey> #notes
05:23 <armabot> spidey: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Luke-Jr, and phil.
05:24 <madmax|pt> -NickServ- The nickname [$randomnick] is not registered
05:24 <madmax|pt> o_O
05:24 <spidey> lol
05:25 <spidey> max
05:25 <spidey> lets get fortress started!
05:25 <spidey> it's empty :<
05:25 <madmax|pt> got to study though
05:25 <spidey> awe
05:26 <madmax|pt> :S
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05:51 <spidey> right
05:51 <spidey> for some reason i'm sliding like a rollerblader
05:52 * spidey thinks he needs to bitch at his isp
05:52 <spidey> it's been about a month since the last time
05:52 <madmax|pt> thats too long
05:53 <madmax|pt> you should
05:53 <spidey> yea
05:53 <spidey> they still haven't installed weather proof cable boxes outside
05:53 <spidey> bastards >.>
05:53 <madmax|pt> lol
05:53 <spidey> basically
05:54 <spidey> rain < ping
05:54 <spidey> rain eats pin
05:54 <spidey> ping
05:54 <spidey> :/
05:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
05:59 <armabot> +
06:00 <madmax|pt> #pt
06:00 <madmax|pt> glup
06:01 <spidey> lol
06:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #help alias
06:01 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: There is no command "alias".
06:01 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|sleep
06:01 <spidey|sleep> #list alias
06:01 <armabot> spidey|sleep: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
06:01 <spidey|sleep> #more
06:01 <armabot> spidey|sleep: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
06:02 <spidey|sleep> :p
06:02 <spidey|sleep> bbl
06:02 <madmax|pt> bye
06:02 <madmax|pt> #pang
06:02 <armabot> peng
06:02 <madmax|pt> lol
06:03 <madmax|pt> #pong
06:03 <armabot> pung
06:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add unix "echo UNIX is a hell to visit, but a paradise to live in"
06:03 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
06:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #unix
06:03 <armabot> UNIX is a hell to visit, but a paradise to live in
06:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
06:04 <madmax|pt> nice
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07:01 <Luke-Jr> http://www.google.com/Easter/feature_easter.html
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08:17 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if there's a limit to how many aliases you can have ;)
08:44 <wrtlprnft> test starts soon, wish me luck. I need more than negative 55% to pass :D
08:45 <MaZuffeR> gl
08:49 <madmax|pt> gl wrtl
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09:39 <madmax|pt> its tough when they dont boot again
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09:47 <madmax|pt> hi Van
09:49 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt
09:53 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
09:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 59?F / 15?C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 11:00 AM ADT; Today - Showers. Amount 5 to 10 mm. Wind becoming north 20 km/h gusting to 40 except gusting to 60 along the fundy coast late this afternoon. High 20 except 17 along the fundy coast. UV index 3 or moderate.; (1 more message)
09:53 <Vanhayes> #more
09:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Tonight - Cloudy. Clearing overnight. Wind north 20 km/h gusting to 40 except gusting to 60 along the fundy coast early this evening. Wind becoming light this evening. Low 12.; Friday - Sunny. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h in the afternoon. High 24 except 21 along the fundy coast.;
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10:51 <wrtlprnft> what a boring exam...
10:51 <wrtlprnft> i was supposed to have 3 hours and using up 1.75
10:52 <wrtlprnft> *and ended up
10:55 <Vanhayes> I know what you mean I had one tuesday that only took a half hour so I ended up waiting for an hour and a half.
10:56 <wrtlprnft> well, i was allowed to leave
10:56 <Vanhayes> really? I had to stay and do nothing for that hour and ahalf.
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10:56 <wrtlprnft> play calculator games :P
10:57 <Vanhayes> It was an english exam :(
10:57 <wrtlprnft> I've never seen a rule in english that you can't use calculators during an exam
10:57 <wrtlprnft> in fact i always have one on my sesk to confuse my teacher
10:57 <wrtlprnft> *desk
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10:58 <Vanhayes> lol, I didnt have a calculator with me, I had already done My math exam.
10:58 <wrtlprnft> heh. In this math exam i had two calculators on my desk :P
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10:59 <wrtlprnft> i was the second one to leave, after someone who apparently gave up
10:59 <wrtlprnft> he was sitting at like 30% and he'd have needed around 90% on the exam to pass the course
11:00 <Vanhayes> know the feeling, I had a 20% in sociology, and the exam was worth 30%, and the pass is 60%. So I didnt even bother to show up.
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13:28 <spidey> z-man, joo noob !
13:28 <z-man> bah
13:28 <spidey> :p
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14:14 <Vanhayes> #list alias
14:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
14:14 <Vanhayes> #more
14:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
14:31 <madmax|pt> #surprise
14:31 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
14:31 <Vanhayes> Ha
14:31 <madmax|pt> lol
14:31 <Vanhayes> #42
14:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
14:31 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50874326.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:31 <Vanhayes> Finally I have been wondering about that for along time
14:31 <madmax|pt> how to use those?
14:31 <Vanhayes> like u did
14:32 <Vanhayes> but surprise wasnt the best first choice
14:32 <madmax|pt> it started here:
14:32 <madmax|pt> [11:59] [Xpert]DarkStar #ch
14:32 <madmax|pt> [11:59] armabot +
14:32 <madmax|pt> [12:00] madmax|pt #pt
14:32 <madmax|pt> [12:00] madmax|pt glup
14:32 <madmax|pt> [12:01] spidey lol
14:32 <spidey> ?
14:32 <madmax|pt> #ch
14:33 <madmax|pt> nvm
14:33 <Vanhayes> u cant for a while lol
14:33 <Vanhayes> #ch
14:33 <armabot> +
14:33 <Vanhayes> #canada
14:33 <armabot> 4
14:33 <madmax|pt> thought this was joking -> "You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute;"
14:34 -!- spidey is now known as Fluffy
14:34 <Vanhayes> lol
14:34 <madmax|pt> fluffball!
14:34 <Fluffy> lol
14:34 <madmax|pt> :D
14:34 <Vanhayes> #roulette madmax|pt
14:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
14:35 <Fluffy> #roulette spin
14:35 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
14:35 <Fluffy> #roulette
14:35 <Vanhayes> lol
14:35 <armabot> Fluffy: *click*
14:35 <Fluffy> #roulette
14:35 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
14:35 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
14:35 <Fluffy> :/
14:35 <Vanhayes> #roulette
14:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
14:36 <Fluffy> #google fight Fluffy Vanhayes
14:36 <armabot> Fluffy: Fluffy: 20600000, Vanhayes: 215
14:36 <Vanhayes> bah
14:36 <Fluffy> pwn
14:36 <Vanhayes> #clash Vanhayes Fluffy
14:36 <armabot> Vanhayes hits Vanhayes Fluffy for 14 damage! Vanhayes Fluffy hits back with 11 damage!
14:36 <Vanhayes> pwn
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #google fight Vanhayes [Xpert]DarkStar
14:36 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: DarkStar: 5680000, [Xpert]: 4770000, Vanhayes: 215
14:36 <Fluffy> lol
14:36 <Vanhayes> #google fight "[Xpert]DarkStar" Vanhayes
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pwn
14:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: [Xpert]DarkStar: 894, Vanhayes: 215
14:36 <Vanhayes> close
14:37 <Fluffy> #clash Fluffy Vanhayes
14:37 <armabot> Fluffy hits Fluffy Vanhayes for 21 damage! Fluffy Vanhayes hits back with 20 damage!
14:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still pwn
14:37 <Vanhayes> #clash Vanhayes Fluffy
14:37 <armabot> Vanhayes hits Vanhayes Fluffy for 19 damage! Vanhayes Fluffy hits back with 16 damage!
14:37 <Vanhayes> #eightball Am i better than Fluffy?
14:37 <Fluffy> #clash Fluffy MaZuffeR
14:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: The outlook is good.
14:37 <armabot> Fluffy hits Fluffy MaZuffeR for 20 damage! Fluffy MaZuffeR hits back with 19 damage!
14:37 <Vanhayes> heh
14:38 <MaZuffeR> #clash Fluffy
14:38 <armabot> MaZuffeR hits Fluffy for 9 damage! Fluffy hits back with 12 damage!
14:38 <Vanhayes> lol
14:38 <Fluffy> xD
14:38 <Fluffy> #clash MaZuffeR
14:38 <armabot> Fluffy hits MaZuffeR for 19 damage! MaZuffeR hits back with 19 damage!
14:38 <Fluffy> tie
14:38 <Fluffy> !
14:38 <Fluffy> tie
14:38 <Fluffy> #clash MaZuffeR
14:38 <armabot> Fluffy hits MaZuffeR for 16 damage! MaZuffeR hits back with 12 damage!
14:38 <Fluffy> xD
14:38 <Vanhayes> #barf Fluffy
14:38 <armabot> /me throws up all over Fluffy
14:38 <Fluffy> lol
14:38 <Fluffy> #clash Vanhayes
14:38 <armabot> Fluffy hits Vanhayes for 14 damage! Vanhayes hits back with 23 damage!
14:39 <Fluffy> :o
14:39 <Fluffy> #clash Vanhayes
14:39 <armabot> Fluffy hits Vanhayes for 24 damage! Vanhayes hits back with 20 damage!
14:39 <Fluffy> :)
14:39 <Vanhayes> #google search Mcspiddles
14:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.80 seconds)
14:39 <Fluffy> mmm?
14:39 <Vanhayes> wanted to find that stat page
14:39 <Fluffy> #google "Fluffy"
14:39 <armabot> Fluffy: Search took 0.16 seconds: .:: Fluffy ::.: <http://www.fluffy.com.au/>; Ben Summers, freelance IT consultant: <http://www.fluffy.co.uk/>; Fluffy Search: <http://www.fluffy.co.uk/fs/>; Sniffy & Fluffy Have An Adventure: <http://www.magickeys.com/books/sniffy/index.html>; Fluffy The English Vampire Slayer: <http://www.fluffytheslayer.com/>; Fluffy Monster: (1 more message)
14:39 <Fluffy> LOL
14:40 <Vanhayes> #google "Vanhayes"
14:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.43 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; na-wt.org :: Viewing profile: <http://na-wt.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32&sid=c4ba6d2fd154eed7d5625a0aa7bf5aae>; BREAKZ.BE :: drum'n'bass community: <http://www.breakz.be/portal/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=vanhayes>; wotmania: feed your wheel of (3 more messages)
14:40 <Fluffy> http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
14:41 <Vanhayes> new quotes
14:43 <Vanhayes> #eliza Hello, How are you today?
14:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: What do you think?
14:43 <madmax|pt> #google fight Fluffy madmax
14:43 <armabot> madmax|pt: Fluffy: 20600000, madmax: 1400000
14:43 <madmax|pt> erm
14:43 <Fluffy> pwn
14:43 <madmax|pt> shit, fluffy pwns
14:43 <Fluffy> #whoisshe madmax|pt
14:43 <armabot> madmax|pt: SuPeRTaRD is the girl for you!
14:43 <Fluffy> lol!
14:43 <Vanhayes> lol
14:43 * madmax|pt hides....
14:44 <madmax|pt> heh
14:44 <Vanhayes> #whoishe Fluffy
14:44 <Vanhayes> #whoisshe Fluffy
14:44 <Fluffy> #whoisshe Vanhayes
14:44 <armabot> Fluffy: MaZuffeR is the girl for you!
14:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft is the girl for you!
14:44 <Fluffy> lol
14:44 <Vanhayes> acklol
14:44 <Fluffy> <3 MaZuffeR
14:44 <madmax|pt> #google fight Fluffy ExtraFluffy
14:44 <armabot> madmax|pt: Fluffy: 18800000, ExtraFluffy: 107
14:44 <madmax|pt> lol
14:44 <Fluffy> lol
14:45 <Fluffy> #clash madmax|pt
14:45 <armabot> Fluffy hits madmax|pt for 7 damage! madmax|pt hits back with 19 damage!
14:45 <Vanhayes> #google fight pwnt owned
14:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: owned: 725000000, pwnt: 382000
14:45 <Fluffy> :o
14:45 <Vanhayes> owned
14:45 <MaZuffeR> #clash Fluffy
14:45 <armabot> MaZuffeR hits Fluffy for 16 damage! Fluffy hits back with 11 damage!
14:45 <Fluffy> #clash MaZuffeR
14:45 <madmax|pt> that 19 damage was on the fingers btw
14:45 <armabot> Fluffy hits MaZuffeR for 13 damage! MaZuffeR hits back with 29 damage!
14:45 <Fluffy> #clash MaZuffeR
14:45 <armabot> Fluffy hits MaZuffeR for 21 damage! MaZuffeR hits back with 18 damage!
14:45 <madmax|pt> so stop talkin :P
14:45 <Fluffy> :D
14:46 <Vanhayes> #list alias
14:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
14:46 <Vanhayes> #more
14:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, selfdestruct, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
14:46 <Fluffy> do wakespam
14:46 <Fluffy> lol
14:46 <Vanhayes> #postal
14:46 <armabot> Vanhayes forced cusco to play roulette: *click*
14:46 <Fluffy> #superdice
14:46 <armabot> Fluffy: (superdice <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Results: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/dice.php?d=$1&s=$2]".
14:46 <Fluffy> #superdice 1 | 2
14:46 -!- madmax|pt is now known as ExtraFluffy
14:46 <armabot> Results: Sum: 0
14:47 <ExtraFluffy> #clash Fluffy
14:47 <armabot> ExtraFluffy hits Fluffy for 18 damage! Fluffy hits back with 18 damage!
14:47 <Fluffy> #superdice 1 | 7
14:47 <armabot> Results: Sum: 0
14:47 <Fluffy> ....
14:47 -!- ExtraFluffy is now known as madmax|pt
14:47 <Fluffy> #superdice 2 | 7
14:47 <armabot> Results: Sum: 0
14:47 <madmax|pt> ExtraFluffy should be better
14:47 <Vanhayes> #superdice 2-3 4-5
14:47 <armabot> Results: 2 || 4 || Sum: 6
14:47 <Fluffy> lol
14:47 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-149-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
14:47 <Vanhayes> #barh G5_Ger
14:47 <Fluffy> #clash G5_Ger
14:47 <armabot> Fluffy hits G5_Ger for 18 damage! G5_Ger hits back with 13 damage!
14:47 <Vanhayes> #barf G5_Ger
14:47 <armabot> /me throws up all over G5_Ger
14:47 <madmax|pt> lol
14:48 <Fluffy> xD
14:48 <Vanhayes> hello G5_Ger
14:48 <Fluffy> hi G5_Ger
14:48 <Fluffy> #whoisshe G5_Ger
14:48 <armabot> G5_Ger: madmax|pt is the girl for you!
14:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
14:48 <Vanhayes> #night
14:48 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
14:48 <G5_Ger> Hi
14:48 <madmax|pt> err
14:48 <Vanhayes> #night [Xpert]DarkStar
14:48 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
14:48 <Fluffy> #night [2l4]FLAG_afk
14:48 <armabot> Good night Fluffy!
14:48 <Vanhayes> Goodnight
14:48 <Fluffy> :/
14:48 <madmax|pt> hi G5
14:49 <Vanhayes> #parrot I hate Fluffy
14:49 <armabot> I hate Fluffy
14:49 <Fluffy> #parrot
14:49 <armabot> Fluffy: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
14:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
14:49 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
14:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone (again)
14:49 <Fluffy> #parrot Good night [Xpert]DarkStar
14:49 <armabot> Good night [Xpert] DarkStar
14:49 <Vanhayes> Goodnight
14:50 <Fluffy> #parrot Good night Vanhayes
14:50 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes
14:50 * Vanhayes is saying goodnight to [Xpert]DarkStar, not actually going
14:50 <Vanhayes> it is 5 pm here
14:50 <Fluffy> #parrot oh
14:50 <armabot> oh
14:50 <Fluffy> it's here 3pm here
14:51 <Fluffy> #parrot $randomInt
14:51 <armabot> 297
14:51 <Fluffy> #parrot $randomInt
14:51 <armabot> 848
14:51 <Fluffy> #parrot $randomInt
14:51 <armabot> 3
14:51 <Vanhayes> #quote 17
14:51 <Fluffy> #parrot $randomInt $randomInt
14:51 <armabot> 740 720
14:52 <Fluffy> hmm
14:52 <madmax|pt> #lock
14:52 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
14:52 <madmax|pt> lol
14:52 <Vanhayes> #q 17
14:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
14:52 <Fluffy> #parrot "g $randomInt * $randomInt
14:52 <armabot> Fluffy: Error: No closing quotation
14:52 <Fluffy> #parrot "g $randomInt * $randomInt"
14:52 <armabot> g 371 * -145
14:52 <Vanhayes> #q #17
14:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 09:44 AM, March 29, 2006)
14:52 <Fluffy> heh
14:52 <Vanhayes> argh
14:52 <Vanhayes> #q #17
14:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
14:53 <Fluffy> #g $randomInt * $randomInt"
14:53 <madmax|pt> #gcalc
14:53 <armabot> madmax|pt: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
14:53 <armabot> Fluffy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:53 <Fluffy> :/
14:53 <Vanhayes> #q #17
14:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
14:53 <Vanhayes> come on Qoute 17
14:53 <Vanhayes> #q #17
14:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
14:53 <Vanhayes> bah
14:54 <Vanhayes> #it's
14:54 <armabot> who?
14:54 <Vanhayes> #it's
14:54 <armabot> who?
14:54 <Vanhayes> #it's me
14:54 <armabot> me who?
14:54 <Vanhayes> lol
14:54 <Fluffy> lmao
14:54 <Vanhayes> #it's me Vanhayes
14:54 <armabot> me Vanhayes who?
14:54 <madmax|pt> lol
14:54 <Vanhayes> #selfdestruct
14:54 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This message will self- destruct right now. The operation succeeded.
14:54 <Vanhayes> #list alias
14:54 <Fluffy> heh
14:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, (1 more message)
14:54 <Vanhayes> #more
14:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
14:54 <Fluffy> #unix
14:54 <armabot> UNIX is a hell to visit, but a paradise to live in
14:55 <Vanhayes> heh selfdestruct is gone
14:55 <Fluffy> #texas
14:55 <armabot> Texas > Canada
14:55 <Vanhayes> lies
14:55 <Fluffy> LOL
14:55 <Fluffy> #lipsum
14:55 <armabot> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nulla dapibus, arcu sed molestie egestas, lectus massa porta metus, eget placerat metus leo ac risus. Mauris tortor elit, ullamcorper a, fermentum ut, hendrerit non, nunc. Vestibulum enim leo, accumsan in, commodo sit amet, consequat sed, massa. Proin venenatis facilisis quam. Suspendisse varius fermentum metus. Curabitur ac elit vel (1 more message)
14:55 <Vanhayes> heh i like this one
14:55 <Fluffy> #more
14:55 <armabot> Fluffy: nisl varius gravida
14:55 <Vanhayes> #fe
14:55 <armabot> Fortress ...err... Something
14:55 <Vanhayes> #fe nothing
14:55 <armabot> Fortress ...err... Something
14:56 <Fluffy> #lukejr
14:56 <armabot> Luke-Jr: We already thought of that
14:56 <Fluffy> #lukejr
14:56 <armabot> Luke-Jr: We already thought of that
14:56 <Vanhayes> Ha
14:56 <Fluffy> lmao
14:56 <Fluffy> #joke
14:56 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
14:56 <Fluffy> heh
14:56 <Vanhayes> dont do teamlist either, it is like wake spam
14:57 <Fluffy> lol
14:57 <Vanhayes> #answer
14:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
14:57 <Fluffy> #man
14:57 <armabot> Fluffy: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
14:57 <Fluffy> #man Vanhayes
14:57 <armabot> Fluffy: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
14:57 <Vanhayes> #man q
14:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
14:57 <Vanhayes> hmm
14:57 <Fluffy> #m
14:57 <armabot> Fluffy: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
14:57 <Fluffy> heh
14:57 <Vanhayes> #m $1
14:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
14:58 <Fluffy> #mashuffle
14:58 <armabot> Fluffy: (mashuffle <an alias, 3 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [shuffle [shuffle [markov $1][markov $2][markov $3]]]".
14:58 <Fluffy> #mashuffle Vanhayes madmax|pt MaZuffeR
14:58 <armabot> Fluffy: Error: I found a broken link in the Markov chain. Maybe I received two bad links to start the chain.
14:58 <Vanhayes> #knock
14:58 <armabot> who's there?
14:58 <Vanhayes> lol
14:58 <Vanhayes> #knock knock
14:58 <armabot> who's there?
14:59 <Fluffy> #success [knock][knock]
14:59 <armabot> The operation succeeded. who's there? who's there?
14:59 <Fluffy> xD
14:59 <Vanhayes> #success
14:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
14:59 <Fluffy> #success [knock][knock][echo $randomInt]
14:59 <armabot> The operation succeeded. who's there? who's there? -523
14:59 <Vanhayes> #success
14:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
14:59 <Fluffy> it lets you do multiple commands at once
15:00 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan_ru@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
15:00 <Fluffy> #success [clash Vanhayes][clash Vanhayes]
15:00 <armabot> The operation succeeded. Fluffy hits Vanhayes for 25 damage! Vanhayes hits back with 17 damage! Fluffy hits Vanhayes for 15 damage! Vanhayes hits back with 18 damage!
15:00 <Fluffy> :/
15:00 <Fluffy> wb
15:00 <Vanhayes> #less
15:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: That's all, there is no more.
15:03 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:03 <Vanhayes> #Fluffy
15:04 <madmax|pt> #alias
15:05 <Vanhayes> #list alias
15:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, (1 more message)
15:05 <Vanhayes> #more
15:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
15:05 <madmax|pt> not that...
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> #texas
15:06 <armabot> Texas > Canada
15:06 <madmax|pt> #alias add Fluffy Unusual being often refered as Fluffball
15:06 <armabot> madmax|pt: The operation succeeded.
15:06 <madmax|pt> #fluffy
15:06 <madmax|pt> #Fluffy
15:06 <madmax|pt> erm
15:06 <Fluffy> lol
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove fluffy
15:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:07 <madmax|pt> :S
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add fluffy echo "Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball"
15:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #fluffy
15:07 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
15:07 <Vanhayes> lol
15:07 <madmax|pt> hm
15:07 * Lucifer_arma teaches by example :)
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> so, Kubuntu Dapper gave me a broken installation
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> I have a broken t2 installation
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> what should I try now? Back to gentoo?
15:08 <Fluffy> mepis
15:08 * Lucifer_arma isn't looking forward to building gentoo
15:08 <Fluffy> !
15:09 <Vanhayes> #scare
15:09 <armabot> BOO!
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've had my fill of apt-get and dpkg
15:09 <Fluffy> lol
15:09 <Fluffy> mmm
15:09 <Fluffy> SuSe?
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> been there, done that, SuSE sucks ass
15:10 <Fluffy> raw debian?
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've had my fill of apt-get and dpkg
15:10 <Fluffy> heh
15:11 <Fluffy> of
15:11 <Fluffy> fedora core?
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> ? crazy, not stupid
15:11 <Fluffy> lol
15:11 * Lucifer_arma has a very low opinion of redhate
15:11 <Fluffy> never tried it
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> after they backported a bunch of shit from the 2.5 kernel to the 2.4 kernel and made it run just as badly as WinXP, they made an enemy out of me for life
15:12 <Fluffy> haha
15:12 <Fluffy> oh
15:12 <Fluffy> slackware?
15:12 <Fluffy> that's what i'm installing next
15:12 <Fluffy> whenever i get tired of mepis
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> the main thing I'm after I don't think slackware will provide, but I could be wrong
15:13 <Fluffy> what ya looking for?
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to be able to upgrade packages only when I want to, and not have what I'm running get EOL on me in the meantime
15:13 <Fluffy> mmm
15:13 <Fluffy> hahaha,mandrivia
15:13 <Fluffy> i hated that
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> I've fooled with t2 enough to determine that my server, with a complete Gentoo installation just needing some minor tweaks to get it working, will finish with gentoo
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> I left Mandriva for Kubuntu
15:14 <Fluffy> mandrivia was the first distro i used
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy with Kubuntu with one minor problem. It doesn't recover very well at all from serious system problems. Mandriva can repair itself nicely, Kubuntu just breaks itself even more
15:14 <Fluffy> and it made me not mess with linux for awhile
15:14 <Fluffy> heh
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if Dapper had installed and worked, we wouldnt' be having this conversation
15:14 <Fluffy> why not ubuntu?
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> gnome?
15:15 <Fluffy> drop the kde :p
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> when pigs fly out of my ass
15:15 <Fluffy> LOL
15:15 <Fluffy> if i was magic,it would happen
15:15 <Fluffy> till then i'll look for a genie
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> good luck ;)
15:15 <Fluffy> :p
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> so, it's either go back to Mandriva for a little while (which I can handle, I used it for years), or restart with Gentoo, I think.
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> Mandriva will EOL me in nothing flat, though, which is why I left them to begin with
15:16 <Fluffy> can you disable it?
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> disable the product reaching end-of-life? I wish I could!
15:17 <Fluffy> lol
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't object terribly to the thing being EOL'd, it's the fact that it happens every 6 months that gets on my nerves, and no more security updates afterwards,
15:17 <Fluffy> great
15:18 <Fluffy> the kiddies found another exploit in messenger
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> all the mirrors close up and switch to the new version, nd I'm stuck in stagnation
15:18 <Fluffy> yahoo messenger that is
15:21 <Fluffy> brb
15:24 <Vanhayes> #q
15:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
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15:26 <Fluffy> heh
15:28 <Fluffy> heh
15:28 <Vanhayes> ?
15:28 <Fluffy> last night i had silby thinking spidey died
15:28 <Fluffy> xD
15:28 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9DC3.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
15:28 <Fluffy> luci hurry up and fix joo OS !!!!
15:29 * Fluffy wants to play the guessing game
15:30 * Vanhayes wonders what the guessing game is
15:30 * Lucifer_arma wonders what the guessing game is too
15:31 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:31 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> #Vanhayes
15:31 <Vanhayes> heh
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add Vanhayes echo "Known as Vanhomosexuals, has a weird tendency to spout Canadian nationalism around, like any other USian clone."
15:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:32 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
15:32 <armabot> Known as Vanhomosexuals, has a weird tendency to spout Canadian nationalism around, like any other USian clone.
15:32 <Vanhayes> bah
15:32 <Fluffy> hahahaahahha
15:32 <Fluffy> pwn
15:32 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:32 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
15:32 <Fluffy> =xD
15:32 <Vanhayes> and I resent that USian clone
15:33 <Fluffy> #alias add Lucifer "echo Teh #1 Redneck!!!"
15:33 <armabot> Fluffy: The operation succeeded.
15:33 <Fluffy> #Lucifer
15:33 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
15:33 <Fluffy> xD
15:33 <Vanhayes> lol
15:33 * Lucifer_arma ties Fluffy's hands with chicken wire
15:33 <Fluffy> lmfao
15:33 <Vanhayes> #list alias
15:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, (1 more message)
15:33 <Vanhayes> #more
15:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> #pun
15:33 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
15:34 <Vanhayes> #joke
15:34 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> #pushredbutton
15:34 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
15:34 <Fluffy> lol
15:34 <Vanhayes> #test
15:34 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
15:34 * Lucifer_arma should put a button on the his cockpit
15:34 <Vanhayes> #test
15:34 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
15:35 <Vanhayes> lies
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> it didn't work, heh
15:35 <Vanhayes> wrtl had one
15:35 <Vanhayes> #selfdestruct
15:35 <Vanhayes> ya it worked
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15:41 * Fluffy trips z-man on his way in
15:41 * z-man is slowly getting annoyed by this greeting
15:41 <z-man> :)
15:41 <Fluffy> ok,i'll think of something else xD
15:42 <z-man> next time, I'll ride in on a motorcycle with blades attacked to the sides so anyone tripping me gets reaped :)
15:42 * Fluffy watches the bucket-o-water fall from the top of the door as z-man walks in
15:43 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:43 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
15:43 <Fluffy> lol
15:43 <madmax|pt> lol
15:51 <Fluffy> #Vanhayes
15:51 <armabot> Vanhayes is cool
15:51 <Fluffy> :/
15:51 <Vanhayes> heh
15:51 <Fluffy> #Lucifer
15:51 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
15:51 <Fluffy> hehe
16:00 * Fluffy goes to pwn fortress since he's more woke up now
16:00 * Vanhayes is already there so fluffy wont pwn anyone
16:00 <Fluffy> wanna bet :>
16:00 <Fluffy> i pwned joo while i was half asleep :p
16:02 * madmax|pt is amazed on how he didnt play tron today, yet
16:07 <Vanhayes> Heh "yet". what time is it there madmax|pt ?
16:08 <madmax|pt> 22:08 .... .... aka 10:08pm
16:09 <Vanhayes> O ok not that late then
16:09 <wrtlprnft> for those who can't convert am<=>pm, eh, spidey?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> Us, eh?
16:09 <madmax|pt> i know you guys like in the am/pm style
16:09 * wrtlprnft doesn't
16:09 <Vanhayes> I do, I know that
16:09 <wrtlprnft> but the guys around me do :(
16:10 <wrtlprnft> some people call 22:00 military time o_O
16:10 <madmax|pt> LOL
16:11 <Vanhayes> It is
16:11 * Lucifer_arma also likes pounds, feet, inches, and the size of his penis.
16:11 <madmax|pt> what about miles
16:11 <madmax|pt> ?
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> rhymes with smiles, you've gotta love it
16:12 * Vanhayes like kilograms metres centemeters and kilometres
16:12 * Lucifer_arma notes Vanhayes's inconsistent spelling
16:12 <madmax|pt> and that-sick-way-of-always-telling-time
16:12 * wrtlprnft likes kilograms, seconds, kelvin, candela, metres, moles and amperes
16:12 * Vanhayes never won a spelling bee in his life
16:13 <wrtlprnft> yay for SI units!
16:13 <Vanhayes> Durk finally got his server working
16:13 <Vanhayes> Durka*
16:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:14 <madmax|pt> what was it?
16:14 <Vanhayes> Durka's fortress something or other
16:14 <madmax|pt> unplugged cable?
16:14 <Vanhayes> i am in it now
16:17 <z-man> Is it any good?
16:18 <Vanhayes> he is "experimenting right now
16:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: would it count as a minor feature if i'd add name highlighting to the b0.2.8 server?
16:21 <wrtlprnft> like, hilight a name if it's at the beginning of a chat line, but only for the person whose name it is
16:21 <wrtlprnft> can't be client side, unfortunately :(
16:22 * wrtlprnft hopes Luke-Jr is not listening
16:24 <madmax|pt> name highlighting! yay!
16:24 <madmax|pt> was talking about that the other day
16:25 <Vanhayes> I think wrtlprnft might have been listening
16:26 <wrtlprnft> probably
16:27 <wrtlprnft> I get anything into my awaylog that contains one of wrt, cockpit or font
16:27 <wrtlprnft> and hud
16:27 <wrtlprnft> but i dunno, i had that idea for awhile now
16:29 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately it has to be serverside, the client doesn't get enough information to do it itself :(
16:31 <madmax|pt> more lag?
16:31 <madmax|pt> lol
16:31 <wrtlprnft> lag?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> doesn't have anything todo with lag
16:31 <madmax|pt> i mean, more server<->client connections
16:32 <madmax|pt> or something like that
16:32 <wrtlprnft> that would be complicated
16:32 <wrtlprnft> and i don't know enough about the network protocol to do that :(
16:34 <z-man> gee
16:34 <Vanhayes> his server is .... interesting
16:34 <z-man> no
16:34 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:34 <z-man> we were just at Durka's super server
16:34 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:35 * z-man wonders why it's called "Spoon"
16:35 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with it?
16:35 <z-man> Ah, nothing with the server.
16:35 <z-man> Only with Durka :)
16:35 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:35 * z-man hopes he isn't here already
16:36 <madmax|pt> "There is no spoon ?"
16:36 <madmax|pt> Matrix was true
16:36 <madmax|pt> at least some
16:36 <z-man> Well, it may turn out to be a good place later when it's settled down, but for me, too much ping.
16:36 <z-man> hehe
16:36 <z-man> wrtlprnft: why can't name highlighting not be client side?
16:37 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:37 <Vanhayes> I live in north america and I had 150 ping :(
16:37 <z-man> All chat flows through a common function that nothing else goes through.
16:37 <madmax|pt> someone stealing your bandwidth van
16:37 <wrtlprnft> z-man: the client seems to only get something like <somecolorcode>>Username><somecolorcode>: <message>
16:37 <wrtlprnft> at least i think it was like that when i last looked at it
16:37 <wrtlprnft> <Username>
16:38 <wrtlprnft> and I'm not gonna parse that
16:38 <z-man> The client also knows who is the originator
16:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:38 <wrtlprnft> for silencing, but that's it
16:38 <wrtlprnft> but it doesn't know what the actual message is
16:38 <z-man> so just filter out messages coming from the local player
16:39 <z-man> Well, so what?
16:39 <wrtlprnft> and if it's a private message, action, team message, ...
16:39 <wrtlprnft> I meant something like that:
16:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man: blah
16:40 <wrtlprnft> in that case the client would know that it comes from wrtlprnft and the text is "wrtlprnft: z-man: blah"
16:40 <z-man> Ah, ok, so you'd have to remove the color codes before you highlight it
16:40 <wrtlprnft> and then I'd need them back again...
16:40 <z-man> and actually, some players always chat with color codes
16:40 <z-man> (annoying)
16:41 <z-man> and you have to handle that even when your code is server side
16:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd need a function tColoredString::GetColorAt(size_type pos)
16:41 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no, i'd just only handle it if it's at the beginning of the chat line
16:41 <wrtlprnft> then i know i have to reset the color to 0xffff88 afterwards
16:42 <z-man> Umm, after what?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> any anyways, with that method if a player was named foo would always get messages from a player named foobar hilighted
16:43 <z-man> I'd say that is foo's problem :)
16:43 <wrtlprnft> well, "wrtlprnft: 0xff0000hi z-man!" would need to become "wrtlprnft: 0xff0000hi 0x00ff00z-man0xff0000!"
16:44 <wrtlprnft> so the ! is still red
16:44 <wrtlprnft> anything else is buggy
16:44 <z-man> here, the whole line gets red when it only contains my name
16:44 <wrtlprnft> it is red already
16:44 <wrtlprnft> the name should become green
16:45 <z-man> I'm not sure whether I like this feature in its interaction with our color codes at all
16:45 <wrtlprnft> but the "wrtlprnft" needs to be my color, the ": " needs to be yellow, the "hi " needs to be red, the "z-man" needs to be green and the "!" would need to be red
16:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, what then?
16:45 <z-man> I'd only enable it if color coded are filtered out
16:46 <wrtlprnft> which they aren't on most servers
16:46 <z-man> Now that's the server's problem :) And the client can filter them out, too.
16:46 <z-man> there is a switch somewhere that does that.
16:46 <wrtlprnft> but it should still keep the nick in the correct color...
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16:47 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't be all yellow
16:47 <z-man> Why don't you make that a feature of the tab completion?
16:47 <z-man> Make tab completion insert colored names.
16:47 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:47 <wrtlprnft> no
16:47 <wrtlprnft> it should only be colored for the player it's adressed to
16:47 <z-man> Nobody can type correct nicknames without the tab completion anyway
16:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's not colored for you, z-man
16:47 <z-man> it is
16:48 <z-man> colored
16:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, because of the "z-man"
16:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that shouldn't be, nam-z
16:48 <z-man> Ah, ok.
16:49 <wrtlprnft> so you can't just have the sender send color codes
16:49 <wrtlprnft> that would be annoying for anyone else
16:49 <z-man> But the server is doing so much shit to send chat messages to old clients in the right format
16:49 <wrtlprnft> how old?
16:49 <z-man> very old
16:49 <madmax|pt> you're saying that if someone said my name, but it wasnt talking to me that shouldnt be hightlighted?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> like, omit the sender id?
16:50 <z-man> I've just seen a 0.2.5.2 server pop up :(
16:50 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:50 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, very old clients don't know about chat, for them, chat gets sent as regular console output
16:51 <wrtlprnft> but how would changing the actual message screw up older clients?
16:51 <z-man> then semi-old clients format the chat message all by themselves, they get the sender player and the chat message
16:51 <z-man> only with the rise of /msg and /team, where the server wants to do the formatting, did we switch to the new format.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:52 <z-man> It wouldn't screw them up, but to fully implement this, you now have to distinquish six cases.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> so for anything good to work it needs to be server side, my point
16:52 <wrtlprnft> the server knows the message
16:52 <z-man> Of course, you can make it easy and only do the highlighting for the newest clients.
16:53 <z-man> And you want the client to be able to turn it off because it's annoying....
16:53 <wrtlprnft> can't it just change the message before it gets to that compatibility code?
16:53 <wrtlprnft> true
16:53 <z-man> I don't know, it's quite convoluted
16:53 <z-man> to avoid doing formatting a millon times, all clients hare handled at once
16:54 <z-man> It's a can of worms, really.
16:54 <wrtlprnft> and i thought that was an easy feature...
16:54 <wrtlprnft> armagetron is full of surprises like that ;)
16:55 <z-man> It will be when we can get rid of the compatibility code.
16:55 <z-man> Or if we only give the highlighting to 0.2.8 clients
16:55 <wrtlprnft> well, I'd have no trouble just giving the hiligting to newer clients
16:56 <wrtlprnft> can we add an option in the player settings to disable it?
16:56 <z-man> Sure.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> that would be compatible?
16:56 <z-man> There's some bits free in the word that contains chat and spectator state.
16:56 <z-man> 14, to be precise :)
16:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:56 <wrtlprnft> can you take care of the option, I'll do the implementation?
16:56 <z-man> Ok
16:57 <wrtlprnft> I still have no clue about the network stuff
16:57 <wrtlprnft> the code will at least have to wait till tomorrow
16:57 <wrtlprnft> got an unstarted physics project that's due tomorrow
16:57 <z-man> No worries, don't bother learning it, I sure hope to give it a good reworking
16:57 <z-man> oh, good luck
16:58 <wrtlprnft> I won't do a great deal of work on it, though it's worth 7% of my pre-exam mark
16:58 <wrtlprnft> I'm sitting at 98% :P
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i just have to hand something in to not risk getting an "incomplete" on my report card
16:58 <z-man> heh
16:59 * z-man has to do the dishes, then go to bed
16:59 <z-man> #night
16:59 <armabot> Good night z-man!
16:59 <wrtlprnft> and it's an advanced course, so i get a boost of 10% and will still end up at 100%
16:59 <wrtlprnft> night z-man
17:00 <wrtlprnft> > Bugfixes: issuing a kick vote made you immune for the same time for a kick vote as getting kickvoted.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> that sentence took me about 10 seconds to parse :P
17:01 <z-man> pretty many kicks :)
17:01 <Fluffy> bah
17:01 <Fluffy> defense needs a kill offense button
17:01 * z-man hopes most people stop at "Bugfix""
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17:01 <Fluffy> noone ever listens to defense when they say attack
17:01 <Fluffy> ten end up dying
17:01 <Fluffy> and getting in the way with a dead tail
17:02 <wrtlprnft> dead tails should be passable by teammates :D
17:02 <Fluffy> that's a good idea
17:02 <Fluffy> then if the morons die defense isn't affected
17:03 <wrtlprnft> hmm, or maybe keep the tails retracting after the person died?
17:04 <wrtlprnft> with the previous speed, and at some point nothing's left of the tail anymore
17:04 <Fluffy> hrm
17:04 <Fluffy> yea that could work
17:04 <wrtlprnft> many new experiments for BF fortress
17:04 <wrtlprnft> psyko will be infinitely happy
17:04 <Fluffy> if that's sarcasm
17:04 <Fluffy> i like it
17:04 <Vanhayes> lol he takes way too personally
17:05 <Fluffy> ohhhh
17:05 <Fluffy> maybe if a teammate goes back into the zone while there's a defense and that person isn't needed
17:05 <Fluffy> it kills them
17:05 <Fluffy> ?
17:05 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:05 <Fluffy> like if the number of enamies in the zone is 1 and there's 1 person in it
17:06 <Fluffy> if another teammate goes in
17:06 <Fluffy> poof
17:06 <wrtlprnft> nope
17:06 <Vanhayes> how would it tell if it is needed or not?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that would suck
17:06 <wrtlprnft> sometimes you need two persons
17:06 <Fluffy> that's what i was gonna say next :p
17:06 <Fluffy> if there's 2 enamies and 1 teammate
17:06 <Fluffy> another one is allowed in
17:06 <wrtlprnft> if it's 1v1 in the zone, but it's spinning rapidly and the defender is getting sqished another defender is badly needed
17:07 <Fluffy> ok,
17:07 <Fluffy> then how about
17:07 <Vanhayes> what would happen once u killed that enemy tho?
17:07 <wrtlprnft> and killing him would be kinda bad
17:07 <Vanhayes> Booom
17:07 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:07 <wrtlprnft> they'd all die
17:07 <Fluffy> if a teammate goes back into the zone within 10seconds of leaving it on the grind?
17:08 <Fluffy> after 10 seconds they'd be clear to go in
17:08 <Fluffy> but defense would have setup
17:08 <Vanhayes> Seems very unnessesary
17:08 <wrtlprnft> nah
17:08 <wrtlprnft> something else: know basketball rules?
17:08 <Fluffy> not when there's bunches of "noobs" xD
17:08 <Fluffy> yea
17:08 <Fluffy> i love basketball
17:08 <wrtlprnft> replace the fortress zone by a bigger zone
17:09 <wrtlprnft> a defender will slowly conquer it and the team loses
17:09 <Fluffy> ?
17:09 <Vanhayes> then you would have to increase tail length
17:09 <wrtlprnft> and to an attacker the same would happen
17:09 <wrtlprnft> but in the middle is a zone for the attacker that gets conquered immediately if he enters
17:09 <madmax|pt> heh, just make a simple code: if (noob) then STAY_IN_SPEC_MODE_FOR_100_ROUNDS(noob);
17:10 <wrtlprnft> sorta like the area right in front of the basket where you can't be more than 3(?) seconds
17:10 <wrtlprnft> and the zone in the centre would be really small
17:10 <wrtlprnft> so you can miss it too :P
17:10 <Vanhayes> hmm why is HG's clan server called CVS <<<<_>>>> hg merkurium
17:10 <Fluffy> lol
17:11 <wrtlprnft> because they want more players
17:11 <Vanhayes> lol
17:11 <Fluffy> lmao
17:11 <wrtlprnft> players are still confused by the BF stuff
17:11 <Fluffy> BF is the only server
17:11 * wrtlprnft thinks he's gonna implement that soon and make a server with it
17:11 <Fluffy> i have a high ping
17:11 <Fluffy> and don't really lag
17:11 <Fluffy> unless it's something weird
17:11 <Fluffy> normal i won't lag
17:11 <wrtlprnft> that's not a high ping, look at mine
17:12 <Fluffy> ?
17:12 <wrtlprnft> 250~300ms
17:12 <Fluffy> mine's from 179-230
17:12 <wrtlprnft> if i'm lucky it's around 220
17:12 <Fluffy> so,everywhere else i get around a 64 :P
17:12 <wrtlprnft> will all change next month :P
17:12 <Vanhayes> 150- Who knows high high it can get
17:12 <Fluffy> so that's a big increase for m
17:12 <madmax|pt> i once got 68, record actually O_O
17:12 <wrtlprnft> I'll probably pwn BF fortress with <50ms ping :P
17:13 <Fluffy> never
17:13 <Vanhayes> lowest in bugfarm was 139, highest was 6000 and some
17:13 * Fluffy will pwn joo all xD
17:13 <SuPeRTaRD> i get a 20 ping to mbc & xzl servers
17:13 <madmax|pt> #fluffy
17:13 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
17:13 <madmax|pt> not
17:13 * wrtlprnft feels like ~*SP*~ IdIoT
17:13 <wrtlprnft> err
17:13 * wrtlprnft feels like ~*SP*~ PsYkO
17:13 <Fluffy> belenus and his fucking 23 ping
17:13 <wrtlprnft> oops, spelling error ;)
17:13 <Fluffy> he's the only one i run from
17:14 <Fluffy> :/
17:14 <madmax|pt> btw, who's that _TEST_ guy "always" in Sumo?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> gah
17:15 <Fluffy> z-man?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> can't pink CVS test
17:15 <madmax|pt> dunno
17:15 <wrtlprnft> *ping
17:15 <Fluffy> max lets go pwn Bf with our double def
17:15 <Fluffy> xD
17:15 <madmax|pt> hehe
17:16 * Fluffy runs off to bf
17:16 * Vanhayes beats him to it
17:16 <madmax|pt> ill play 4 a while
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17:27 <Vanhayes> Not up for fortress G5?
17:27 <Vanhayes> er
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17:52 <Vanhayes> #
17:52 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
17:52 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
17:52 <Fluffy> #Vanhayes
17:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is cool.
17:52 <Fluffy> lies
17:52 <Vanhayes> Truth
17:52 <Vanhayes> heh
17:53 <madmax|pt> Fluffy, you just got pwned :P
17:53 <Vanhayes> ?
17:53 <Fluffy> :<
17:53 <madmax|pt> hehe
17:53 <Vanhayes> who was that guy who tokk my name?
17:54 <madmax|pt> Kakashi
17:54 <Vanhayes> guess he didnt know about the name protection
17:54 <madmax|pt> guess so
17:56 * wrtlprnft wants such a protection, too :(
17:56 <Vanhayes> um
17:57 <Vanhayes> found a bug
17:57 <wrtlprnft> BUGBUGBUG
17:57 <wrtlprnft> what bug?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> #eliaza
17:57 <wrtlprnft> #eliza
17:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Can you elaborate on that?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> listen to armabot's advice
17:58 <Vanhayes> I tried to change tracks in fortress when it was internal playlist, I moved music folders from arma ad folders, and it shut down my client
17:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: BUG, see above
17:58 <Vanhayes> I moved the music and sound folders cause they annoy me
17:58 <wrtlprnft> that's not my beer, i play with sound off
17:59 <madmax|pt> btw, is it supposed for the vote menu to *stay* if the poll ended and we didnt vote?
17:59 <Vanhayes> yes, er well it has always for me
17:59 <wrtlprnft> no, but i think the client doesn't know if the poll ended
18:00 <madmax|pt> yep, it always stays
18:00 * wrtlprnft hates how uninformed the client is
18:00 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: maybe that's a bug for you?
18:00 <madmax|pt> that actually.... "always" happened
18:01 <Vanhayes> ya same from when i first started playing
18:06 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft : what is eliza for?Does it do anything imparticular?
18:06 <wrtlprnft> #eliza hi there.
18:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
18:06 <wrtlprnft> #eliza i wanted to analyze my psychical problems
18:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Why do you say you wanted to analyze your psychical problems?
18:07 <Vanhayes> but it doesnt make that much sense after u say hello
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #eliza because i guess i'm a heavy tron addict
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Is it because you guess you 'm a heavy tron addict that you came to me?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's kinda getting screwed up by armabot
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #inisght
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #insight
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The awesome madness of technological change will undermine our grandchildren's egalitarianism.
18:07 <Vanhayes> #q
18:08 <Vanhayes> er vrnm
18:08 <Vanhayes> nvrm
18:08 <Vanhayes> forgot I got 10 min bann
18:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:08 <madmax|pt> "Variable Rate N Management (VRNM)"
18:08 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg VRNM
18:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: V.R.N.M.: Versatile Robotic Nullification Machine
18:08 <Vanhayes> Ha
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: got caught by #surprise?
18:09 <Vanhayes> heh no I actually gave invalid commands
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:10 <wrtlprnft> #notes
18:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Luke-Jr, and phil.
18:10 <wrtlprnft> someone seems to have gotten the a* note :P
18:10 <wrtlprnft> #seen a*
18:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: a* could be alda (5 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 21 seconds ago), AfterDeath (2 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 24 minutes, and 12 seconds ago), Apollo (2 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), Anthrax (4 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, 35 minutes, and 55 seconds ago), aLuke-Jr (7 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds ago), AGhost (7 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes, (1 more message)
18:10 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:10 <Vanhayes> heh appolo was me
18:10 <wrtlprnft> #seen alda
18:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: alda was last seen in #armagetron 5 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <alda> ^^
18:12 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
18:12 <Vanhayes> nope still banned
18:12 <wrtlprnft> #seen gha*
18:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <ghableska> hi
18:13 <wrtlprnft> the 29 seconds are important!
18:13 <Vanhayes> lol
18:13 <wrtlprnft> really
18:13 <Vanhayes> why?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> jk :P
18:13 <Vanhayes> lol
18:13 <madmax|pt> ? >/nickserv info ghableska The nickname [ghableska] is not registered
18:14 <madmax|pt> ah nvm
18:14 <Vanhayes> u dont have to register
18:14 <madmax|pt> guest or somethin'
18:14 <Vanhayes> #test
18:14 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
18:14 <Vanhayes> heh
18:14 <Vanhayes> #test
18:14 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
18:14 <madmax|pt> yep, i was confusing with PTNet :)
18:14 <wrtlprnft> gah
18:14 <Vanhayes> luci failed at that
18:14 <wrtlprnft> #alias add test "echo Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. T"
18:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:14 <wrtlprnft> uupos
18:14 <wrtlprnft> #alias add test "echo Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. [alias remove test]"
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:15 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #alias add test "echo Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. T"
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #alias add test "echo Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. [alias remove test]"
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:15 <madmax|pt> lol
18:15 <wrtlprnft> that's what it's supposed to be like
18:20 <madmax|pt> good night
18:21 <wrtlprnft> night
18:21 <Vanhayes> cya
18:21 * madmax|pt is away: Sleep...
18:21 <Vanhayes> #goodbye
18:21 <armabot> Goodbye Vanhayes :(
18:21 <Vanhayes> #hello
18:21 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :)
18:52 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
18:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
18:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
18:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
18:59 <wrtlprnft> guru3: the armaservers feed is broken :)
18:59 <wrtlprnft> err
18:59 <wrtlprnft> guru3: the armaservers feed is broken :(
18:59 <wrtlprnft> why do those keys have to be so close together?
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19:12 <Nazurath> ack
19:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:13 * wrtlprnft has the feeling Vanhayes and Nazurath don't have full control about their IRC clients
19:14 <Nazurath> its my connection it kicks me off for like 10 seconds then recionnects me
19:23 <Nazurath> #list alias
19:23 <armabot> Nazurath: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, (1 more message)
19:23 <Nazurath> #more
19:23 <armabot> Nazurath: pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
19:23 <wrtlprnft> slowly enough, eh?
19:23 <wrtlprnft> #u
19:23 <armabot> spidey: 02:23:19 up 55 days, 2:28, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.08, 0.01
19:24 <Nazurath> #u
19:24 <armabot> spidey: 02:23:58 up 55 days, 2:29, 4 users, load average: 0.21, 0.10, 0.02
19:24 <Nazurath> hmm what does that do?
19:24 <wrtlprnft> uptime of my server
19:24 <Your_mom_arma> hmm armagetron .3 just decided to start working for no reason
19:25 <wrtlprnft> be happy?
19:25 <Your_mom_arma> no more crashes and internal sound works
19:25 <Your_mom_arma> kinda wish i knew what happened
19:25 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> nm its broken again
19:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:27 <Your_mom_arma> thats what i get for turning it off to announce my victory
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19:35 <wrtlprnft> that was a long timeout...
19:41 <Luke-Jr> 00:41:28 up 10 days, 15:52, 102 users, load average: 1.71, 2.27, 2.75
19:44 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
19:45 <Your_mom_arma> i played a local game for about 5 mins the sound effects started working and 2 rounds later it crashed
19:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:45 <wrtlprnft> wait for Lucifer_arma, he's the sound guy
19:47 <Fluffy> #Lucifer
19:47 <wrtlprnft> space
19:47 <Fluffy> #Lucifer
19:47 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
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22:32 <wrtlprnft> woot, imagemagic rocks. It just saved me an hour of stupid work on my physics project :)
22:42 <Fluffy> i love you
22:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:43 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:57 * Fluffy pokes mom for leaving him there alone
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> if i get tk'd like that i usually quit playing
Log from 2006-06-16:
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00:51 <Fluffy> z-who
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02:24 <guru3> now
02:24 <guru3> what's all the stuff i'm supposed to have been fixing?
02:44 <guru3> blah
02:44 <guru3> what's the svn checkout line so i don't get everything udner the sun?
02:55 <guru3> nm
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, why can't I emerge ndiswrapper?
02:55 <guru3> why do you want to OO
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I can have my wireless card work?
02:56 <guru3> picky picky :P
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> aha, fixed it
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> bad environment variable
02:57 <guru3> wooo
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04:08 <Fluffy> lol
04:08 <Fluffy> anyone here using windows?
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm currently using windows managed by Kwin
04:14 <Fluffy> windows xp smartass :p
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not using "Windows xp smartass"
04:15 <Fluffy> :/
04:15 <Fluffy> anyways
04:15 <Fluffy> when you open notepad in windows
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, why doesn't libusb build?
04:15 <Fluffy> put Bush hid the facts in it
04:15 <Fluffy> save it
04:15 <Fluffy> and open it
04:15 <Fluffy> it coverts to boxes
04:15 <Fluffy> like this
04:15 <Fluffy> ?????????
04:15 <Fluffy> that
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> that sounds fun, too bad I don't have a windows installation anywhere to try that with
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> glibc contains stl, right?
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't gentoo's gcc come with stl in it?
04:37 <Fluffy> dunno
04:37 <Fluffy> #google doesn't gentoo's gcc come with stl in it?
04:37 <armabot> Fluffy: Search took 0.44 seconds: Diego Petten? - November 2005: <http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/flameeyes/2005/11/>; Diego Petten? - 2005: <http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/flameeyes/2005/>; OSNews.com: <http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6620>; OSNews.com: <http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9363&limit=no>; Digital Mars - digitalmars.D - DMD installation on (2 more messages)
04:37 <Fluffy> #more
04:37 <Fluffy> #more
04:37 <armabot> Fluffy: Linux: <http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/17187.html>; Slashdot | Build From Source vs. Packages?: <http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/30/0952253&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=130&tid=185&tid=190>; Slashdot | Build From Source vs. Packages?: <http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/30/0952253>; 1100909814 J * rmoriz rmoriz@195.68.242.242 1100909816 M * (1 more message)
04:37 <armabot> Fluffy: rmoriz ...: <http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2004-11/LOG_2004-11-20.txt>; 1102982561 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_ILL 1102984484 M * rs got a good ...: <http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2004-12/LOG_2004-12-14.txt>; 00:00:00 --- log: started lisp/04.08.04 00:04:08 <arauko> Bach is ...: <http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/04.08.04>
04:38 <Fluffy> i got some killer heart burn
05:31 * Lucifer_arma is considering Mandriva
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok Mepis boy, how the hell am I supposed to download it?
05:42 <guru3> would you recommend installing ubuntu?
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> sure, if you like gnome
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it doesn't suck the way Kubuntu Dapper sucks
05:43 <guru3> i think i'm gonna try and set my dad up on ubuntu
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I found mepis on a mirror and started a download, but ibiblio's only giving it up at 46kb/s
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I can take it up to 500kb/s! :(
05:44 <guru3> ibiblio is a lot slower
05:44 <guru3> than it used to be
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes it is. Probably slower now because they used to be fast. ;) I used to pick them as my preferred mirror all the time because they were fast :)
05:46 <guru3> i've actually seen the ibiblio lab :)
05:47 <guru3> or at least one of them
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> gatech, screaming along at 500+
05:48 <guru3> since i started talking about ubuntu
05:48 <guru3> 200MB dled
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, 6 hours from ibiblio, or 18 minutes from gatech
05:48 <guru3> lol;
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> man, back in the day I'd wait 30 minutes for 300kb downloads
05:49 <guru3> i once spent 5 hours dling java
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> the only reason I didn't wait longer was because the bbs kicked you off after 30 minutes so other people could logon
05:50 <guru3> lol
05:56 <guru3> ubuntu iso almost done...
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> 4 minutes left on mepis
06:02 <guru3> and done
06:02 <guru3> (and burnt)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, you were 200MB ahead of me when I started the gatech download :)
06:05 <guru3> ><
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's gone! :(
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> restarting download....grrrrr
06:11 <guru3> :O
06:24 * madmax|pt is back (gone 12:03:04)
06:27 <guru3> hmm well
06:27 <guru3> i think ubuntu is installing
06:27 <guru3> and i didn't overwrite the windows partition
06:38 <Luke-Jr> shouldv'e
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06:47 <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/BushStateoftheUnion.avi
07:04 <Fluffy> Lucifer_arma,
07:04 <Fluffy> you installing mepis?
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08:14 <guru3> HA HA
08:14 <guru3> TAKE THAT WINDOWS
08:14 <guru3> 3 hours later
08:14 <guru3> i'm back to where i started with my install of ubuntu
08:14 <guru3> no linux
08:14 <guru3> but windows works again
08:14 <guru3> in that time i among other things managed to delete and restore the partition table
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08:21 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:21 <wrtlprnft> i thought ubuntu had such a wonderful installer :D
08:21 <wrtlprnft> really i think it sucks
08:21 <z-man-work> Working with kubuntu here
08:22 <z-man-work> Don't know much about the installer :)
08:22 <z-man-work> It worked without flaws in vmware, but that's no big challenge.
08:22 <wrtlprnft> It refused to let me setup the proxy server
08:22 <wrtlprnft> and it took like 10 minutes to time out with DHCP, without a way to stop it
08:23 <wrtlprnft> the proxy i had to mess around with later, figuring that the (k)ubuntu documentation didn
08:23 <wrtlprnft> t have a hint on how to get apt to use it
08:23 <wrtlprnft> wtf
08:23 <wrtlprnft> i typed more of a line!
08:23 <wrtlprnft> nvm
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08:53 <madmax|pt> hello
09:03 <wrtlprnft> hello
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09:40 <wrtlprnft> would anyone mind if we got a CIA bot to join in here for commit messages?
09:41 <wrtlprnft> like in #commits, but just for armagetronad, of course
10:02 <joda_bot> hi
10:02 <joda_bot> ok, no new messages ;) ... going to check the forums later
11:20 <z-man-work> #later tell wrtlprnft a CIA bot would be a good idea.
11:20 <armabot> z-man-work: The operation succeeded.
11:20 * z-man-work enters weekend mode
11:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
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11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> brb
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11:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re
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12:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar_> this damn fucking router
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12:51 <joda_bot> poor z-man-work z-man
12:52 <joda_bot> Netherlands just qualified... but not very glorius
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12:59 <spidey> now
12:59 <spidey> i'ma mad :/
13:00 <madmax|pt> im mad too
13:00 <spidey> grandma said my music was too loud,so instead of waking me up turn it down
13:00 <spidey> she flips the breaker for my room
13:00 <spidey> :|
13:00 <spidey> to*
13:03 <spidey> z-man, you the coach again?
13:05 <madmax|pt> Mr.Hacks? and Mr. Coach?
13:05 <madmax|pt> lol
13:08 <madmax|pt> "Z: Dayenu: Want help? " "Dayenu: fuck you bitches"
13:08 <madmax|pt> LOL
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13:08 <xzl_shaggy> SPIDEY YOU AROUND??
13:08 <xzl_shaggy> lol
13:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
13:09 <armabot> +
13:16 <spidey> which one are you max?
13:16 <spidey> yea shaggy?
13:16 <xzl_shaggy> oh yeah
13:16 <xzl_shaggy> you still lookin for a partner in the tourny?
13:16 <spidey> yea
13:16 <xzl_shaggy> Smart is looking for one as well
13:18 * spidey is getting pwnt in BF
13:18 <spidey> one round by the enamy
13:18 <spidey> 2 rounds by a teammate
13:20 <xzl_shaggy> BF?
13:22 <spidey> fortress
13:23 <z-man> Well, the price to pay now is that people call you a noob.
13:23 <z-man> so what, I say :)
13:25 <spidey> NOOB
13:26 <spidey> there should be a thing if someone says "noob" they get killed xD
13:27 <spidey> that's what i did on my soldat server
13:27 <spidey> xD
13:29 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft you don't have to include every tiny change in NEWS, only those relevant to the casual reader. Everyone who wants to dig deeper can read the ChangeLog.
13:29 <z-man> spidey: good idea :)
13:29 <spidey> xD
13:29 <z-man> We could also outlaw GRIND and ban the whole SP clan
13:30 <z-man> actually, ban all clans
13:30 <spidey> only soldat scripts like that are done like mrc scripts
13:30 <spidey> sounds good
13:30 <spidey> lol
13:30 <z-man> Even the CT people are annyoing
13:30 <spidey> only i liked hte sp part
13:30 <z-man> Why, thinking about joining one? :)
13:31 <spidey> eh
13:31 <spidey> i'm in mbc
13:31 <z-man> oh, right :)
13:31 <spidey> lololol
13:31 <z-man> Of course, they're all right :)
13:31 <spidey> i don't like sp generally cause they think they're the best in tron
13:32 <spidey> and don't listen in fortress
13:32 <z-man> And give commands
13:32 <spidey> you can tell them to attack or something and they'll do as they please
13:32 <z-man> and kickvote without reason
13:32 <spidey> heh
13:33 * z-man is fixing dinner
13:33 * spidey just woke up and is getting pwned
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13:37 <madmax|pt> playing with amule on isnt that bad
13:38 <philippeqc> hi
13:38 <joda_bot> hi
13:38 <spidey> i'm not really affected when i download
13:38 <spidey> but when i upload my ping goes super crazy
13:38 <madmax|pt> some peaks
13:38 <madmax|pt> right?
13:38 <spidey> no....
13:38 <madmax|pt> ?
13:38 <spidey> i can download at 300kb/s and not be affected
13:39 <madmax|pt> yuck
13:39 <spidey> but when i upload it's hopeless
13:39 <madmax|pt> how many mbps you have?
13:39 <spidey> 3
13:39 <spidey> i get around 350-380kb/s
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13:39 <spidey> i limit p2p and torrents to about 250-300kb/s
13:40 <madmax|pt> i have 4, but my isp doesnt give them "all" away
13:40 <madmax|pt> it sucks
13:40 <spidey> hrm
13:40 <spidey> i'm getting dsl in september
13:40 <spidey> that's gonna boost me to 6mbit/s down
13:40 <spidey> and 512kb/s up
13:41 <spidey> cheaper than cable too
13:41 <spidey> i'm close enough to the isp i should get it all :)
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14:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: want me to delete some changes?
14:28 <z-man> Perhaps the grammar correction one :)
14:28 <z-man> But only in trunk itself, in 0.3.0, the extra verbosity doesn't hurt.
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14:29 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
14:29 * Lucifer_arma is pretty pissed off now
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> where's spidey?
14:29 <wrtlprnft> what about the bot thing?
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> bot thing?
14:29 * Lucifer_arma is pissed because Mepis wiped out his partition table
14:29 <wrtlprnft> #last --with bot --from wrtlprnft --nolimit
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> armabot is on vacation while I use the network cable :)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> aaah
14:31 <wrtlprnft> 09:40 <wrtlprnft> would anyone mind if we got a CIA bot to join in here for commit messages?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> 09:41 <wrtlprnft> like in #commits, but just for armagetronad, of course
14:31 * wrtlprnft thinks those things are kinda neat
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14:32 * Lucifer_arma hates getting commit messages in irc
14:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man seems to agree, so i only need another project admin :P
14:33 <wrtlprnft> grr. seems like it won't happen :(
14:33 <wrtlprnft> tank won't be happy either :(
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> I could compromise
14:34 <wrtlprnft> 1.5 vs 1.5?
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> you could setup a channel with a bot to receive messages and armabot could relay them to you
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> the only problem is that's not any different than you having a channel with a bot that you lurk in by yourself
14:34 <wrtlprnft> or filtering #commits
14:34 <wrtlprnft> then forget it
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> this is a fresh kubuntu installtion, why is it broke already? :(
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> why is my laptop chewing up linux distributions and spitting them out?
14:35 <wrtlprnft> screw (k)ubuntu
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> screw mepis
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'd still be in my t2 partition if mepis hadn't wiped out my partition table
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> now, unless I get really fucking lucky, I just lost everything
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> except for my last backup, which is about a week ago, but i didn't back up everything, just a few things
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's gone
14:37 <wrtlprnft> I think you should be able to recover the partitions
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> whatever's in my backup is there
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> umm, the only way I know to recover partitions is to bckup the partition table itself
14:38 <wrtlprnft> just start by making one huge partition
14:38 <wrtlprnft> then mount it as the file system your 1st partition was
14:39 <wrtlprnft> then you need to find out where the file system thinks the partition ends, that's where you have to create the next one
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14:51 <H> ===HI===
14:51 <wrtlprnft> hi
14:51 <H> h??
14:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:51 <H> warum steht da nur H?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> weil du h als user gewaehlt hast?
14:52 <H> ich hab H.A.K. eigegeben
14:52 <wrtlprnft> . ist nicht erlaubt in IRC nicks
14:52 <H> aso
14:52 <wrtlprnft> 09:40 <wrtlprnft> would anyone mind if we got a CIA bot to join in here for commit messages?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> 09:41 <wrtlprnft> like in #commits, but just for armagetronad, of course
14:52 <wrtlprnft> oops
14:52 <wrtlprnft> sorry
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14:53 <wrtlprnft> *insert rant about putty pasting on rightclick here*
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15:09 <Lucifer_arma> somebody say something
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nvm
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> konversation looks right now
15:10 <wrtlprnft> soomething
15:10 <wrtlprnft> *something
15:10 * z-man wanted to say that :(
15:10 <guru3> cheese!
15:10 <wrtlprnft> you could try to spell it right on first attempt ;)
15:10 <guru3> vive le cheese!
15:10 <z-man> Of course, we don't know if Lucifer_arma's koversation is working unless he responds :)
15:11 <wrtlprnft> netherlands lost something?
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> what?
15:11 <z-man> Sumping
15:11 <z-man> darn
15:11 <z-man> no, netherlands won :(
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> so you're z-kraut, now?
15:11 <z-man> not yet :)
15:11 * wrtlprnft hopes germany's gonna lose
15:11 <wrtlprnft> z-kraut's more fun than cheese
15:12 <z-man> hrmpf
15:12 <guru3> lol
15:12 <z-man> as long as you guys are amused...
15:12 * Lucifer_arma likes his krauts served with cheese
15:12 <wrtlprnft> :D
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need kde 3.5 packages...
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'M REALLY PISSED ABOUT THIS :(
15:14 <z-man> ah, I see guru3 finally updated the website for 0.2.8.2 :)
15:14 <wrtlprnft> what about 3.5.3?
15:14 <guru3> z-man: muahahaha that i did
15:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: couldn't you silence the CIA bot like you silence Luke-Jr once in a while?
15:16 <z-man> OTOH, if you want CIA notices, why do they have to be in IRC? Aren't there RSS feeds or something?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> I do have the rss feed
15:17 <z-man> I'd really like to get commit messages here. Then we could all shout "BOO! Bad commit message!" when a non-understandable one comes.
15:17 <wrtlprnft> would just be fun if someone mentions a bug here and a minute later the bot comes and sais it's fixed
15:17 <wrtlprnft> :)
15:18 * wrtlprnft would get those boos quite often :(
15:18 <z-man> Luke would get them more often.
15:18 <z-man> And me, of course :)
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> screw that, I'll start putting api docs in the commit messages so the cia bot gets booted off the network
15:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it'll crop long messages :)
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> er, that came out a little more hostile than intended
15:19 <z-man> r4914 | luke-jr | 2006-06-16 02:46:23 +0200 (Fri, 16 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
15:19 <z-man> updates from a while ago
15:19 <wrtlprnft> i think not more than 3 lines or something
15:19 * Lucifer_arma is in a bad mood
15:19 <z-man> ^^^^ last commit message ^^^^
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15:19 * wrtlprnft decides to bring the topic back up when Lucifer_arma got a 99% on some calculus test
15:19 <z-man> I'd be in a bad mood, too, if Linux ate my hard disk
15:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> the 13gb of music isn't what kills me, it's the 4-6 recorded songs that are gone :(
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> took me ~3 months to record all of them, and they were *almost* done
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> and I didn't have room on my server to back it up....yet
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
15:21 * Lucifer_arma growls
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> "A linux distribution too far"
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ou should still be able to recover that
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'm not sure if it was mepis that killed it or not
15:22 <wrtlprnft> if you didn't write on the drive
15:22 <guru3> testdisk recovered my partition table today
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> so you said, but how? With no partition table, I had to come up with one
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> testdisk?
15:22 <guru3> http://www.cgsecurity.org/
15:23 <wrtlprnft> as long as you didn't write actual stuff on the hd
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just put another operating system on it
15:25 <wrtlprnft> that'll probably ruin at least your 1st partition
15:25 <z-man> That may count as writing :(
15:25 <wrtlprnft> the later ones might still be alive
15:25 <wrtlprnft> worth a try :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> the last 32GB are untouched except to be marked in the partition table
15:25 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I don't remember how big my home partition used to be
15:26 <wrtlprnft> testdisk should find that out if it's any good
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15:27 <Lucifer_arma> TestDisk need 25 lines to work.
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> Please enlarge the terminal and restart TestDisk.
15:27 <wrtlprnft> o_o
15:28 <wrtlprnft> g2g... cya and good luck
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> bye
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15:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it found my old home partition, now how do I get it back? :)
15:31 <z-man> guru3: I guess this question os for you.
15:31 <guru3> i only used it for the whole disk
15:31 <guru3> but i just kept hitting enter
15:32 <guru3> z-man: ?
15:33 <z-man> Oh, I just thought maybe you weren't reading along any more and wanted to bump you to lucifer's question.
15:33 <guru3> i sort of
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we'll see if it did what I think it did, bbiab
15:33 <guru3> gl
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15:50 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I don't mind the commit bot / options: Commit Mails including HTML Diffs or private message to registered users from the commit bot ?
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15:51 <Lucifer_arma> thank you guru3
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> at first glance, everything appears to be there
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'll go make sure there's room on my server and rsync the whole thing over there... :)
15:56 <guru3> gl
15:56 <guru3> it's a pretty good app
15:58 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: Lucifer_arma: Am I able to access "www-aabeta" ? Someone should fix the link pointing the user towards the stable releases.
15:58 <joda_bot> Currently it points to 0.2.7.1
15:59 <joda_bot> probably just link to beta.armagetronad.net ... (e.g. "/"
16:00 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: that should be accessible by CVS...
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> what's the units in du's output?
16:01 <wrtlprnft> du should be bytes
16:01 <wrtlprnft> but that's not actual disk space
16:01 <wrtlprnft> it just counts together all file sizes
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30377788/1024
16:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 30,377,788 / 1,024 = 29,665.8086
16:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: try du -h ;)
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30377788/1024/1024
16:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (30,377,788 / 1,024) / 1,024 = 28.9705162
16:01 <wrtlprnft> h for human-readable
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> so 28.9GB then
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> for some reason the filesystem recovered is mounted as read-only, so I either have to go piecemeal through it copying stuff or I need to find some way to delete stuff off it
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have 13GB available on my server :(
16:03 <wrtlprnft> you don't wanna write on it anyways
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> no wait, I have 31GB on the gentoo home partition
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> scp can copy recursively, right? heh
16:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:03 <wrtlprnft> -r
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> this'll take awhile
16:05 <wrtlprnft> probably
16:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 100/8
16:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 100 / 8 = 12.5
16:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 29*1024*1024/12.5/3600
16:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((29 * 1,024 * 1,024) / 12.5) / 3,600 = 675.748978
16:05 <wrtlprnft> err, no
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> #g 29*1024*1024/12.5/3600/1024
16:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (((29 * 1,024 * 1,024) / 12.5) / 3,600) / 1,024 = 0.659911111
16:06 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.659911111*60
16:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.659911111 * 60 = 39.5946667
16:06 <wrtlprnft> about 45 minutes
16:06 <G5_Ger> Hi
16:06 <wrtlprnft> hi
16:07 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: those 30GB are the recorded songs?
16:08 <wrtlprnft> so, something important?
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, the recorded songs are a bit less than that, I had a bunch of shit in there
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> scp borked, restarted with rsync
16:09 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> that'll probably take half an hour just to scan the directory
16:09 <wrtlprnft> true
16:09 <wrtlprnft> tar?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> tar -cf - | ssh server tar -xf -
16:09 <wrtlprnft> * -cf - *
16:14 <wrtlprnft> g2g again, this time for the rest of teh day.
16:22 <guru3> off to bed
16:22 <guru3> good night
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17:00 <G5_Ger> Good night!
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17:02 <joda_bot> gn8
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19:55 <Lucifer_arma> does rsync only go in alphabetical order?
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I found the answer, and it is "yes" :)
20:04 <luke-jr_> new server's here
20:04 <luke-jr_> gotta get Gentoo working on it
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21:14 <spidey> who
21:14 <spidey> what
21:14 <spidey> when,where
21:14 <Vanhayes> why?
21:14 <spidey> why doesn't fit in
21:15 <Vanhayes> in what?
21:15 <spidey> who?
21:15 <Vanhayes> what?
21:15 <spidey> why?
21:15 <Vanhayes> why doesn't fit in
21:15 <spidey> in what?
21:15 <Vanhayes> who?
21:15 <spidey> what?
21:15 <Vanhayes> ok Im done
21:16 <spidey> lmao
21:16 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
21:16 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
21:16 <spidey> ;D
21:16 * spidey pokes Lucifer_arma
21:16 <spidey> fix your pc problem yet!?
21:17 <Vanhayes> Guess who just had their last day of school?
21:20 <spidey> you?
21:20 <Vanhayes> yes, the answer was me, wd :)
21:20 <spidey> :D
21:20 <spidey> van,what's your real name?
21:21 <Vanhayes> Had my final exam of the year today, and my first reaction was: I need a colt.
21:21 <spidey> hahah
21:21 <Vanhayes> spidey um why?
21:21 <spidey> colt sucks
21:21 <Vanhayes> the are $5 tho
21:21 <spidey> van,cause if it's what fonkay said we got the same name :p
21:21 <Vanhayes> and I owe someone $5 now
21:21 <spidey> lol
21:21 <Vanhayes> josh, jeff, james?
21:22 <spidey> paul,then again i may be wrong
21:22 <Vanhayes> heh it is one of the above
21:22 <spidey> :p
21:22 * spidey was named after his grandpa
21:23 * Vanhayes has four names, first, middle, middle, last
21:23 <Vanhayes> the 2 middles are my grandfather and great grandfather
21:23 <spidey> hhehe
21:23 <spidey> the second?
21:23 <spidey> the third?
21:24 <spidey> i'm guessing is one of the lasts
21:24 <Vanhayes> and my great grand father's name was Amos...
21:24 <Vanhayes> sounding like A-mose
21:25 <spidey> heh
21:25 <Vanhayes> thats the usual reaction
21:25 <spidey> :p
21:26 <spidey> my middle name's jr :/
21:26 <Vanhayes> lol hey there Jr
21:26 <spidey> that's the usual reaction :p
21:26 <Vanhayes> lol
21:27 <spidey> which is why i use intials,hardly anyone knows my real name
21:27 <spidey> not even my girlfriend hahaha
21:29 <Vanhayes> So your girlfreind doesnt even know your name?
21:29 <spidey> not my real name
21:29 <spidey> she just knows P.J.
21:30 <Vanhayes> O u are a <add leter here>.J. Ive known a few of those
21:30 <spidey> :p
21:31 <Vanhayes> I know a family that named there children A.J, C.J, B.J, and D.J
21:31 <spidey> lol
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22:45 <Vanhayes> #night
22:45 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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Log from 2006-06-17:
--- Day changed Sat Jun 17 2006
00:17 <spidey> anyone wanna get fortress restarted?
00:17 <spidey> noone in there :/
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01:35 <philippeqc> hi
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> hi
01:41 <philippeqc> how are you
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02:07 <Your_mom_arma> im fine , hi joda
02:09 <philippeqc> hi joda
02:11 <joda_bot> hi philippeqc
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02:11 <philippeqc> got one nice pickel at the moment.
02:11 <philippeqc> http://pastebin.com/714429
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> nifty?
02:13 <philippeqc> if I comment away line 25, all is fine. If I set it, the compiler start to talk chiness with me.
02:13 <philippeqc> o very nifty
02:14 <joda_bot> philippeqc: you're returning locally allocated memory
02:14 <joda_bot> use "new MyCol" and return a ref or pointer ?
02:15 <philippeqc> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mandriva-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../include/c++/4.0.1/bits/stl_tree.h: In instantiation of 'std::_Rb_tree<BasePtr, BasePtr, std::_Identity<BasePtr>, FooPtrOps, std::allocator<BasePtr> >::_Rb_tree_impl<FooPtrOps, false>':
02:15 <philippeqc> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mandriva-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../include/c++/4.0.1/bits/stl_tree.h:433: instantiated from 'std::_Rb_tree<BasePtr, BasePtr, std::_Identity<BasePtr>, FooPtrOps, std::allocator<BasePtr> >'
02:15 <philippeqc> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mandriva-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../include/c++/4.0.1/bits/stl_set.h:127: instantiated from 'std::set<BasePtr, FooPtrOps, std::allocator<BasePtr> >'
02:16 <philippeqc> shared_ptr.cpp:25: instantiated from here
02:16 <philippeqc> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mandriva-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../include/c++/4.0.1/bits/stl_tree.h:398: error: 'std::_Rb_tree<_Key, _Val, _KeyOfValue, _Compare, _Alloc>::_Rb_tree_impl<_Key_compare, _Is_pod_comparator>::_M_key_compare' has incomplete type
02:16 <philippeqc> shared_ptr.cpp:14: error: forward declaration of 'struct FooPtrOps'
02:16 <philippeqc> this should be 6 lines
02:17 <philippeqc> joda_bot: This is but a sample. the error seems to be something else.
02:17 <philippeqc> myCol * GetCol(void) const {myCol *tmp = new myCol(); return tmp;};
02:17 <philippeqc> generates the sames errors.
02:17 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess it's the same problem wrtlprnft had
02:18 <Your_mom_arma> hypothetically would a minamalist version of armagetron be possible with only the hud map instead of the graphical display and without music ai etc leaving net compatability
02:18 <philippeqc> o, did you know if he fixed it
02:18 <joda_bot> To use a type inside a class
02:18 <joda_bot> typedef boost::shared_ptr<Base> BasePtr;
02:18 <joda_bot> A forward declaration is not enough
02:18 <joda_bot> because it can't determine the size
02:19 <joda_bot> my guess atleast ?
02:19 <philippeqc> ok, but then I'm in a vicious cycle, because I need it from the Base itself.
02:19 <joda_bot> can't you just move the typedef below the class def ?
02:20 <philippeqc> can one do a foward declaration on a typedef?
02:20 <joda_bot> nope , I guess not
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02:22 <joda_bot> wait , perhaps I missunderstood the question
02:22 <joda_bot> You can keep line 13 and 14
02:22 <joda_bot> but 15 & 16 (typedefs) go below the class defs
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02:24 <philippeqc> if I move 16, then I get a prob line 25
02:26 <kobaches> fix 25?
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02:29 <philippeqc> koba: do you have any recommendation about that?
02:30 <guru3> good morning
02:30 <joda_bot> what's the error message ?
02:30 <philippeqc> morning
02:30 <joda_bot> ah, I missed that typedef
02:30 <joda_bot> damn
02:30 <joda_bot> tricky
02:31 <philippeqc> joda_bot: moving 15 and 16 under class Base --> 25 has an unknown type myCol.
02:31 <spidey> ahahahahahhahaahaha
02:31 <spidey> there's this guy in my soldat server
02:31 <spidey> his name is your 2-inch penis
02:31 <spidey> here's a quote
02:31 <spidey> (02:29:54) [your 2-inch penis] im going in!
02:31 <joda_bot> philippeqc: noticed
02:31 <philippeqc> declaring all by hand brings back the original massive error,
02:31 <philippeqc> ok
02:32 <joda_bot> but you can pass a class to std:: with only a forwarded declaration
02:32 <joda_bot> but you can't ...
02:32 <philippeqc> nope. :(
02:34 <joda_bot> philippeqc: can you perhaps implement the myCol line later ?
02:34 <joda_bot> not sure if that works
02:35 <philippeqc> make a parent to Base maybe
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03:01 <philippeqc> I'm making my sample work now. Base has no myCol, C is a child of base and has it. Seems to work ok.
03:02 <philippeqc> Just a shame that EVERYTHING will have to inherit from C, and be casted as C's when the GetCol is required, but I think I can live with that
03:04 <philippeqc> thanks for the help
03:14 <joda_bot> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySpace
03:14 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
03:14 <joda_bot> Wrong window ;)
03:20 <joda_bot> philippeqc: just repeated what read from wrtlprnft
03:26 <guru3> philippeqc: you there?
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04:03 <philippeqc> back
04:03 <philippeqc> was away
04:04 <philippeqc> joda_bot: well it help me anyway
04:04 <philippeqc> guru3: bump
04:06 <philippeqc> we need a prefetch operation for the maps. Downloading just as the round start is not so great. If many players are missing the map, getting your own copy takes so much time you miss the game start
04:07 <philippeqc> it would be better to be stuck loading many maps when you join, probably missing a round or 2 than to miss many round start
04:09 <joda_bot> philippeqc: that won't work with generated maps
04:09 <joda_bot> I guess the easiest way to solve this, is that the server waits until it has an ack from all clients
04:10 <joda_bot> otherwise a client is just shoved to spectator or kicked for timeout ?
04:10 <philippeqc> well, no, but in that case, everybody has the same problem, and it could be ok to ask all the clients to ack that they are done loading the map
04:10 <joda_bot> I guess one prefetched map should be enough ?
04:10 <philippeqc> why one?
04:10 <joda_bot> the next ?
04:10 <philippeqc> CT has ~30 maps
04:10 <philippeqc> well it is another solution
04:11 <joda_bot> sure, but I guess loading one map with limited bandwidth perhaps, during the round won't hurt
04:11 <joda_bot> just have to check if we can limit the download speed to something low
04:11 <philippeqc> but it means operation like the random rotator must pick the map for the next round as the round start.
04:11 <joda_bot> so it does not hurt on low end connections
04:11 <joda_bot> ok right
04:12 <guru3> philippeqc: nm
04:12 <joda_bot> so the server offers a list of maps at start to preload
04:12 <joda_bot> and also uses acks to wait for clients
04:12 <philippeqc> this will induce some lag in the play, and will be a perpetual problem. It could be minimised if it was done when you die.
04:12 <joda_bot> perhaps it can also print the loading clients to console if it takes more than 5 seconds
04:12 <philippeqc> more than half the players would prefect the next map
04:13 <philippeqc> guru3: what was it about
04:13 <guru3> was looking for a swedish translation of something
04:13 <philippeqc> guru3: o ok
04:14 <philippeqc> resume: prefetching all doesnt work for generate maps. fetching next one when you die leaves the surviving players in a bad position. Slow download will cause/be blamed for extra lag.
04:16 <philippeqc> why print them? It will only tell you who is jamming.
04:17 <philippeqc> it seems this is a lesser of 3 evils type of problem.
04:17 <joda_bot> you'd atleast know who has problems, but with american kids around it probably just ends with yelling and kicking
04:17 <philippeqc> yes
04:17 <joda_bot> ok, print it to server console ;)
04:18 <philippeqc> so the admin gets to know who has a low connection afterhand?
04:19 <joda_bot> It'll help understand user complains
04:19 <philippeqc> o ok
04:19 <joda_bot> because you can detect a map timeout, and see if it's all players or just one
04:20 <joda_bot> at the time they are printed you can probably atleast move them to spectator state, or kick them, because without a map they won't be able to play
04:21 <philippeqc> spectator is what I'd prefer. I'd hate being kicked because someone on Internet decided to d/l a big file when I needed a map. ;)
04:21 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yeah, but how likely is it, your connections recovers next round ?
04:22 <philippeqc> it would be easy to abuse too. Want to annoy players, download all the map, then hack your client to DOS the map server at each round start.
04:22 <joda_bot> hm
04:22 <philippeqc> the spectator suffer the same problem, but with less inconvenience. So the hack has less value.
04:25 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess that dos already exits now
04:26 <joda_bot> not sure how many servers will be affected if someone tried to dos the main repository
04:26 <philippeqc> yes by all the clients fetching the map. but the only effect is that you miss the first sec of a round. but the next time it comes, you have it. you are not kicked off the server
04:27 <philippeqc> I was just saying, you dont need to dos continually. With your "kick player on unsuccessfull map download", one just need to DOS it when other clients are trying to fetch maps.
04:30 <philippeqc> in short: auto kick on failuire to d/l map is bad. auto spectator is a lesser evil.
04:59 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yeah right, I'd like to see the chat logs of the players if the server does not have the map ;)
05:01 <philippeqc> ;)
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05:54 <spidey> ms max
06:20 <luke-jr_> omg
06:20 <luke-jr_> that was dumb
06:20 * luke-jr_ just figured out why his phones weren't working
06:20 <luke-jr_> that particular server was powered off :/
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06:23 <spidey> zomg
06:35 <luke-jr_> ...\
06:39 <spidey> /.....
06:46 <luke-jr_> /.....\
06:46 <spidey> | .
06:46 <luke-jr_> /
06:46 <luke-jr_> /
06:46 <spidey> \
06:46 <spidey> \
06:46 <luke-jr_> //
06:46 <spidey> /
06:46 <luke-jr_> //
06:46 <spidey> //
06:46 <luke-jr_> //
06:47 <spidey> //
06:47 <luke-jr_> ///
06:47 <spidey> ///
06:47 <luke-jr_> good job
06:47 <spidey> ?
06:47 <spidey> lol
06:47 <luke-jr_> you figured out how to do a / at the start of a line
06:47 <spidey> :p
06:47 <spidey> all you do is add a extra
06:47 <spidey> so ///
06:47 <luke-jr_> you didn't know that before =p
06:47 <spidey> becomes 4 /s
06:47 <luke-jr_> 2
06:48 <spidey> 2 to show 1
06:48 <luke-jr_> ...
06:48 <spidey> 4 to show 3
06:48 <spidey> /
06:48 <luke-jr_> /// doesn't show 4
06:48 <spidey> no
06:48 <spidey> /// shows 3
06:48 <spidey> but takes 4
06:48 <spidey> :p
06:48 <luke-jr_> no, /// shows 2
06:48 <spidey> yea.....
06:48 * luke-jr_ confuses spidey ;)
06:48 <spidey> not really :p
06:49 <spidey> it's past my bedtime!
06:49 * spidey is in the US but lives on aussie time
06:49 <spidey> :s
06:50 <luke-jr_> same here mostly
06:50 <luke-jr_> just got home from work
06:50 <spidey> sun goes up,i go down xD
06:50 <spidey> that so didn't sound right :|
06:50 <luke-jr_> ...
06:51 <spidey> nothing
06:51 <spidey> lol
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07:15 <philippeqc> I know the path to knowledge always grows harder, but why couldn't I get a break, or like a level up.
07:15 <philippeqc> or something
07:28 * luke-jr_ stabs RiDATA
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> #cnn 78717
07:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Round Rock, TX is 79�F. Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 83%. Wind: SSW at 8 mph (13 km/h).
07:28 <luke-jr_> I suggest nobody spend $ on RiDATA DVD+R DL
07:28 <luke-jr_> they don't burn
07:40 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:40 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #349: || Stray Alpha Particles from memory packaging caused Hard Memory Error on Server.
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's not raining so much as there's a river falling on us
07:42 <wrtlprnft> the sun is shining here :)
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.weather.com/weather/local/78717?lswe=78717&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=whatwhere
07:44 * joda_bot is watching little sheep clouds pass by while the sun shines at mild 20?C ;)
07:44 * Lucifer_arma will probably be watching his car float down his street in a little bit
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> the water level is up to the rims on its back wheels
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> LOW LYING PLACES THAT NORMALLY FLOOD COULD BECOME DEATH TRAPS.
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I loe the weather advisories
07:50 * philippeqc suggest Lucifer_arma should climb on his roof and shoot at any rescur helicopter. You wouldn't want them to run away with your tv set.
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> you sure about that? heh
07:51 * Lucifer_arma hates tv
07:53 * joda_bot they'll give you a real tron cycle if you shoot two helicopters ;)
07:53 <philippeqc> or couch. most people who join rescue mission do it in the hope of hosting a couch in those nifty rescue chopper.
08:01 * joda_bot just noticed the previous armagetron icon was the original cycle icon from the Tron Arcade machine
08:02 * Lucifer_arma just noticed he stinks and hasn't taken a shower in 2 days
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> bbib
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> *bbiab
08:02 <philippeqc> bbiabaas?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> aas?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> after a shower...
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
08:03 <philippeqc> yes
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08:04 <joda_bot> bb in a b?
08:04 <philippeqc> be back in a bit
08:04 <joda_bot> ah ok
08:04 * joda_bot thinkds lucifer just goes outside ;)
08:05 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that compiler problem of yours solved?
08:05 <wrtlprnft> *is
08:05 <philippeqc> yes, now I have a minor one
08:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I'm amazed you really read the whole chatlog
08:06 <philippeqc> in my comparing function, I get the base class, rather than the derifed one.
08:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do you just scan it ? or is there another trick to it ?
08:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:06 <wrtlprnft> the trick is named awaylog ;)
08:07 <wrtlprnft> it contains all messages that contain font, wrt, hud or cockpit while I'm marked /away
08:07 <philippeqc> so either I'm extracting the base class from the shared_ptr wrong, or during some copy operation, it looses the detail of the derived class.
08:07 <wrtlprnft> 02:17 #armagetron: <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess it's the same problem wrtlprnft had
08:07 <joda_bot> heh ;)
08:07 <philippeqc> nice
08:07 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: That's a feature of your client yes ?
08:07 <wrtlprnft> yes
08:07 * joda_bot hates gaim ;)
08:08 <wrtlprnft> any client should have a /away command ;)
08:08 <philippeqc> x-chat here
08:08 <wrtlprnft> irssi here
08:08 <joda_bot> /away only allows me to set an away message
08:08 <wrtlprnft> for me it automatically starts awaylogging
08:09 <wrtlprnft> +the normal chatlog and baglog, of course
08:09 <wrtlprnft> s/bag/back/
08:10 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you sure you're dealing with virtual classes?
08:11 <wrtlprnft> you have to mark at least one function in the base class as virtual
08:12 <philippeqc> boost:shared_ptr<Base>. Base has virtual ~Base()
08:12 <philippeqc> and virtual operator<()
08:12 <philippeqc> wich is the one I see get called.
08:13 <wrtlprnft> hmm
08:15 <wrtlprnft> can you try what happens if you say std::cerr << typeid(yoursharedpointer.get()).name() << std::endl;
08:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:16 <philippeqc> PN6tValue4BaseE
08:16 <philippeqc> must have done something wrong
08:17 <philippeqc> should be Int or Number<T>
08:17 <philippeqc> or at least Base
08:17 <wrtlprnft> it is a base
08:17 <wrtlprnft> it's a P = pointer to a tValue::Base
08:18 <philippeqc> BaseExt exist between Base and Number. Could the E be concatenated, or the "xt" be chopped down
08:18 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ c++filt PN6tValue4BaseE ~/Desktop/frames
08:18 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Base*
08:18 <philippeqc> ok
08:18 <philippeqc> o ok
08:19 <wrtlprnft> mangled typenames
08:19 <wrtlprnft> the P stands for pointer
08:19 <wrtlprnft> then comes an N for name begin
08:19 <wrtlprnft> then 6(6 chars following), then tValue, then 4, then Base, then E for end
08:20 <philippeqc> 4 must be for scope of namespace
08:20 <wrtlprnft> no
08:20 <philippeqc> o ok
08:20 <philippeqc> got you
08:20 <wrtlprnft> strlen("Base") == 4
08:21 <philippeqc> yep
08:21 <wrtlprnft> so, at some pint you lose the derived class
08:22 <philippeqc> yes. Could be when I load it in the share_ptr. I must have done a wrong constructor of some sort, and it gets downcasted.
08:22 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't matter if you downcast pointers
08:23 <wrtlprnft> but it's fatal if you downcast objects
08:23 <philippeqc> iirc, I've seen that when there was an error in the constructor. it downcasted the object during one of the many copy operation.
08:23 <philippeqc> but as I'm working with pointers, it shouldnt happen
08:24 <wrtlprnft> insert that typename() test at different spots?
08:24 <wrtlprnft> see where it's downcased?
08:24 <wrtlprnft> *casted
08:26 -!- LuciStinks is now known as LuciSmellsGood
08:26 -!- spidey|sleepDUDE is now known as I
08:26 <LuciSmellsGood> I against I against I against I
08:26 * wrtlprnft doubts LuciSmellsGood ;)
08:27 * LuciSmellsGood just got out of a shower!
08:27 <wrtlprnft> jk
08:27 * LuciSmellsGood used soap...and shampoo!
08:27 <wrtlprnft> testing tab completion
08:27 -!- I is now known as IluvLuci
08:27 <LuciSmellsGood> great, my boys are fighting already
08:27 -!- LuciSmellsGood is now known as Lucifer_arma
08:27 <philippeqc> the problem is located somewhere here:
08:27 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(yoursharedpointer.get()).name() << std::endl;
08:27 <philippeqc> oups
08:27 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:27 <philippeqc> Base *delme = BasePtr(new Int(4)).get();
08:27 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(val_i1[0].get()).name() << std::endl;
08:27 <philippeqc> nope
08:28 <philippeqc> grrr
08:28 <wrtlprnft> ?!
08:28 <IluvLuci> !?
08:29 <philippeqc> Base *delme = BasePtr(new Int(4)).get();
08:29 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(delme).name() << std::endl;
08:29 <philippeqc> PN6tValue4BaseE
08:29 <philippeqc> is returned
08:29 <wrtlprnft> weird
08:30 <wrtlprnft> what if you try to use std::auto_ptr?
08:30 <wrtlprnft> just for testing
08:30 <philippeqc> boost::shared_ptr
08:30 <wrtlprnft> sec
08:30 <philippeqc> o ok. didnt read all your text
08:30 <wrtlprnft> that can't work
08:30 <wrtlprnft> BasePtr(new Int(4)).get()
08:30 <wrtlprnft> that's an anonymous object
08:31 <wrtlprnft> the BasePtr gets destroyed after get() is called
08:31 <wrtlprnft> and so does the stored pointer
08:32 <philippeqc> sorry, in my attempt to fix this, I might have added some other problems.
08:32 <wrtlprnft> try a named object ;)
08:35 <philippeqc> how can I get a copy of the ptr from the auto_ptr?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> get()
08:35 <philippeqc> but that destroys it
08:35 <wrtlprnft> no
08:35 <wrtlprnft> release() does
08:35 <wrtlprnft> but you cayn
08:36 <philippeqc> o ok
08:36 <wrtlprnft> but you can't ever have two auto_ptrs pointing to the same thing
08:36 <philippeqc> std::auto_ptr<Base> junk = std::auto_ptr<Base>(new Int(4));
08:36 <philippeqc> Base *delme = junk.get();
08:36 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(delme).name() << std::endl;
08:36 <philippeqc> PN6tValue4BaseE
08:36 <wrtlprnft> that
08:36 <wrtlprnft> 's weird
08:37 <wrtlprnft> what about typename(new Int(42)).name()?
08:37 <wrtlprnft> (i know that's a memory leak)
08:38 <philippeqc> PN6tValue6NumberIiEE
08:38 <philippeqc> you read my mind
08:38 <wrtlprnft> you read mine :P
08:39 <wrtlprnft> what about just Base *delme = new Int(42);
08:39 <wrtlprnft> and then test delme?
08:40 <philippeqc> Base *delme3 = new Int(42);
08:40 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(delme3).name() << std::endl;
08:40 <philippeqc> PN6tValue4BaseE
08:40 <philippeqc> ouch!
08:41 <wrtlprnft> what the...
08:41 <philippeqc> my reaction, that is why I posted the sniplet.
08:41 <wrtlprnft> !!!!
08:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, i suck
08:41 <wrtlprnft> all my fault
08:41 <wrtlprnft> try typeid(*delme3)
08:42 * wrtlprnft bangs his had on the table
08:42 * wrtlprnft washes his hair after hitting the cereal bowl
08:42 <philippeqc> Hurray!
08:42 <philippeqc> Corn Flakes... for that extra shine
08:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, honey oats
08:43 <philippeqc> For curls?
08:43 * wrtlprnft should learn how to read the c++ annotation
08:43 <wrtlprnft> s
08:43 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:43 * philippeqc seconds that idea
08:44 -!- IluvLuci is now known as spidey
08:44 <spidey> <3
08:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so, now that you got your data back, any different opinion about CIA-*?
08:45 * Lucifer_arma notes that he hasn't taken his calc test yet :)
08:45 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:45 <spidey> meh
08:45 * wrtlprnft thought Lucifer_arma would be happy enough :/
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> where's my brush?
08:46 <spidey> where's my car?
08:46 * wrtlprnft hands Lucifer_arma the HairBrush map on CT fortress
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I see my wife found her brush but she didn't return my brush
08:46 <wrtlprnft> what brush?
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> better go check the car while it's not raining very hard
08:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: people with long hair are dependant on their brush. And also prone to leave them all over the place, but never where they can find it back easily.
08:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but it might have been a toothbrush
08:47 <philippeqc> if you have 2 of them in the same house, trying to put your own at a know and predefined place only means its easy for the other to use it, and loose it
08:47 <wrtlprnft> or one of the brushes you use to wash cars
08:48 * philippeqc bets on hair brust
08:48 <philippeqc> brush
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> aha, found it
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> it was right next to me, but blended in with its surroundings
08:49 <wrtlprnft> hiding?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> see, my wife and I use to exchange brushed quite frequently, but then she bought one for everyone in the house and said we couldn't share brushes anymore,
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> and I took advantage of the opportunity to take complete ownership of my brush :)
08:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's spying on you?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> because, well, she loses things
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> for example, she's not allowed to borrow my keys if the reason she needs them is because she lost hers. How do I know she isn't just going to lose mine, too?
08:51 <philippeqc> Brushes are like velociraptor. If you see one hunting you, it only mean others are circling you, ready to jump on your back.
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> well that's good, because my back needs to be brushed too
08:52 <wrtlprnft> all the lost ones are really just hiding and making plans to attack their owners
08:52 * philippeqc thinks its time for lucifer to trim his back hair.
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I think lost brushes go to the same place as lost pens
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. my wife left it in the back yard...
08:53 <philippeqc> the office supply heaven?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> my wife is like a perl interpreter, she lives shit all over the place and nobody knows how to find any of it
08:55 <wrtlprnft> gotta go, cya
08:55 <wrtlprnft> #u
08:55 <armabot> spidey: 15:54:41 up 56 days, 15:59, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
08:55 <philippeqc> cya
08:56 <philippeqc> darn, forgot to ask wrtlprnft how to do a operator< on the value hold by 2 BasePtr.
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #u
08:57 <armabot> spidey: 15:56:53 up 56 days, 16:01, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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08:58 <Lucifer_arma> my kid's just laying there saying "no, ow, no ow, no ow"
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, when he's really hurt, he doesn't say "ow"
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm gonna reboot and start over, now that I have my old data saved
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> bbl
09:00 <philippeqc> k
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09:05 <philippeqc> going to CT
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10:07 * Lucifer_arma has returned, in a new and improved operating system
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> theoretically, anyway
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> still gotta get kde 3.5 on it
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10:56 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I found a way to make my systray icons bigger
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11:06 <z-man> What? Oh, Bugfarm Server downtime must have begun.
11:07 <z-man> Ekk, bigger icons.
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, bigger icons. :)
11:08 * z-man doesn't have a single pixel to waste for smicons
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> you need a less precise aim to hit them, and less time to figure them out. I read somewhere that someone had determined that if you had to use big icons with up to 3 levels deep to get to what you want,
11:08 <z-man> well, one or two, perhaps :)
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> you used your system faster than if you had all those same icons as little icons on the surface
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> anecdotally, of course, I think I use my computer more efficiently with both big icons and big toolbars :)
11:09 <z-man> That may be true, but I only use two or three icons anyway :)
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I did get my desktop reduced to where I only use a few icons myself, but not that few :)
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> I also got rid of the taskbar, a feat for which I am quite proud :)
11:11 <z-man> I don't like the mouse replacements on laptops all too much. Neither the touchpad nor the nipple, so I can't hit my Icons no matter how big they are :)
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'll use the touchpad when I have to, but I bought a wireless mouse so I wouldn't have to
11:11 <z-man> The whole system stuff is reduced to 16 pixels on the left of my screen. Doesn't bother me there.
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit I haven't yet explored keyboard shortcuts to eliminate mouse usage entirely
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> next on my list is getting all my config saved in some package or other where I can just load it, so I can incrementally improve it and not spend an hour resetting it,
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> say, shoudl I have the misfortune to have to restore my system :(
11:13 <z-man> To eliminate it entirely is not my goal, either. Reduce it to one mouse action per minute, and I'm happy.
11:13 <z-man> yeah, those things happen.
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'd like to eliminate it completely :)
11:13 <z-man> I'm far too lazy for that :)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> collapse desktop usage back to keyboard-only and new possibilities will open for the mouse
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> on the bright side, I found a color theme I like better
11:14 <z-man> Eye control, that would be it. Have the section of the screen you're looking at automatically magnified.
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there's some good in system restoration, and I'm almost done...
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> someone was working on that, actually
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> they had cameras setup to watch the eyes
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> some university research project, I don't know where it went from there
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably took a small cluster just to watch the eyes, heh
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> I also put the mixer applet on my panel finally, so I don't have to either have kmix in the system tray or open it manually from the k menu every time, we'll see how that goes
11:17 * z-man is really away, GF came home, gotta watch the Portugal game on video
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> have fun
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13:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yourtvalue->operator<(othertvalue)
13:39 <wrtlprnft> or *yourtvalue < *othertvalue
13:39 <philippeqc> let me check
13:39 <philippeqc> aim to hit them, and less time to figure them out. I read somewhere that someone had determined that if you had to use big icons with up to 3 levels deep to get to what you want,
13:39 <philippeqc> ope
13:40 <philippeqc> cout << a->GetInt() << " % " << b->GetInt() << " " ;
13:40 <philippeqc> Base *aa = a.get();
13:40 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(*aa).name() << std::endl;
13:40 <philippeqc> Base *bb = b.get();
13:40 <philippeqc> std::cerr << typeid(*bb).name() << std::endl;
13:40 <philippeqc> cout << (a.get() < b.get());
13:40 <philippeqc> cout << " " << (aa->operator<(*bb)) ;
13:40 <philippeqc> cout << " # " << (*aa).operator<(*bb) << endl;
13:40 <wrtlprnft> aim to hit them?
13:40 * philippeqc was reading slashdot with the mouse... on unix... so text got stuck in the buffer
13:40 <wrtlprnft> ah
13:40 <philippeqc> s/ope/nope
13:41 <philippeqc> a and b are BasePtr in the comparaison method
13:41 <wrtlprnft> that should work
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> I've restarted my irc client since then, so I can't up-arrow to get what I said, sorry :)
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, armabot's taking a little vacation, I just threw the switch on my server to switch it to the gentoo partition
13:42 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> a little more construction is still needed
13:42 <wrtlprnft> emerge supybot ;)
13:42 <philippeqc> it doesnt. Base's operator< gets called
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> first emerge sync, then emerge world (or whatever the update command is)
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> :)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> and what di the typeids output?
13:42 <wrtlprnft> emerge -uDav world
13:43 <wrtlprnft> (emerge --update --deep --ask --verbose world)
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> but first finish copying the data I saved from my laptop. heh
13:43 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:43 <wrtlprnft> s/di/do
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> I had the copy going in mandriva, then thought "I'll work on my gentoo server while that's going on"
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> duh. Rebooting the server stopped the copy...
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> now I can either restart it, or rsync the directories. Decided to rsync instead
13:44 <wrtlprnft> what about nfs?
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> laptop, I take it places
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's an interesting question whether the rsync would be faster over nfs than ssh, I'm sure someone knows the answer, but not me
13:45 <wrtlprnft> nfs is not encrypted => less overhead
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> rsyn = lots of overhead to begin with
13:45 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:45 <wrtlprnft> actually i guess rsync would be slower over nfs
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, it's completing with rsync :)
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, ssh
13:46 <wrtlprnft> since per ssh the server will calculate its own md5sums
13:46 <wrtlprnft> over nfs you'll probably end up transferring everything that's already there
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, it was an scp to begin with...
13:47 <wrtlprnft> no, but rsync makes md5sums of everything that's already in the target dir
13:47 <wrtlprnft> with ssh it can do them locally on the server
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> aha. Kinda like running distcc, eh?
13:48 <wrtlprnft> with nfs it has to download the file from the server and do the md5sum, totally killing every use
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> assuming rsync uses ssh that way, which is probably a safe assumption since that's the recommended way to use it
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> other than an rsync server, of course
13:49 <wrtlprnft> basically the same thing
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13:49 <wrtlprnft> if you use it over ssh it just starts a copy of rsync on the server
13:49 <wrtlprnft> and they communicate through the ssh connection
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> right
13:50 <wrtlprnft> probably no other difference
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now I need to get it upgraded to kde 3.5. :(
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't realize I'd get so attached to kde 3.5 so quickly
13:50 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:51 <wrtlprnft> kdebase should be emerged in about 24 hours
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> is there any reason gentoo doesn't put /usr/kde/3.4/bin in the path?
13:51 <wrtlprnft> it does?
13:52 <wrtlprnft> /bin:/usr/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.6:/opt/ghc/bin:/opt/sun-jdk-1.4.2.10/bin:/opt/sun-jdk-1.4.2.10/jre/bin:/opt/sun-jdk-1.4.2.10/jre/javaws:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/limewire:/usr/lib/wine/bin:/home/mathias/bin:/usr/lib/wine/bin:/home/mathias/bin
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to get my alarm clock running, and setup the shared partition asap, so I can start rsyncing my laptop's shared partition
13:52 <wrtlprnft> it's just 3.5 for me
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13:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, you didn't put it there yourself? It's not there for me...
13:52 <wrtlprnft> env-update; source /etc/profile
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> I can add it, it's no big deal, but it's pretty irritating not to have kwrite in my path
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh.
13:53 * Lucifer_arma wishes his rsync task was finished
13:53 <wrtlprnft> it's there now?
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> this rsync task is taking all my laptop's cpu from me :(
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it's beating up the server pretty good too
13:56 <wrtlprnft> that bad?
13:56 <wrtlprnft> is it still making md5sums or transferring?
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> still making md5sums
13:57 <wrtlprnft> that'll eat all available cpu time, yes
13:57 <wrtlprnft> once it's transferring it should go down
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think I"ll step out for a minute and let it work
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> /dev/hdd7 33G 18G <--- that's what I'm rsyncing
14:06 <wrtlprnft> 18 gigs?
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> give or take a gig or so
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> it was a pretty empty partition, though, so it's probably like 17.9 G
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> what was wrong with the wiki on my gentoo server, do you remember?
14:12 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:12 <wrtlprnft> i think you wanted a newer version than the one it wanted to install
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> I just copied the www directory from the old server...
14:13 <wrtlprnft> mysql maybe?
14:13 <wrtlprnft> or you forgot to compile php with apache2 support
14:13 <wrtlprnft> or you forgot to compile php with mysql support
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, ummm
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net
14:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.davefancella.com
14:14 <wrtlprnft> it's working?
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like it
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the problem is that my main website wasn't working, and it's not
14:19 * Lucifer_arma is starting to remember now
14:20 <wrtlprnft> weird mysql error
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> yep
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> the collation one, right?
14:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to let it go for now, the important thing is that I turned it over finally. It'll get fixed now, which wouldn't have happened while it was still running Mandriva
14:24 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> and tank kindly reminded me he's only hosting the wiki temporarily, so while I'm fixing my setup, I should be considering that :)
14:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:25 <wrtlprnft> but now you probably need to upgrade to tank's version
14:25 <philippeqc> I'm having trouble figuring this one out:
14:25 <philippeqc> Int *delme3 = new Int(42);
14:25 <philippeqc> Int *delme4 = new Int(32);
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << ">>> " << (*delme3<*delme4) << " >>> " << (*delme4<*delme3) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << " " << (delme3->operator<(*delme4)) << " " << (delme4->operator<(*delme3)) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << " " << (*delme3).operator<(*delme4) << " " << (*delme4).operator<(*delme3) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> Base *delme1 = new Int(42);
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a problem, I'll just have tank send me a tarball or something
14:25 <philippeqc> Base *delme2 = new Int(32);
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << ">>> " << (*delme1<*delme2) << " >>> " << (*delme2<*delme1) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << " " << (delme1->operator<(*delme2)) << " " << (delme2->operator<(*delme1)) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> cout << " " << (*delme1).operator<(*delme2) << " " << (*delme2).operator<(*delme1) << endl;
14:25 <philippeqc> result:
14:25 <philippeqc> >>> 0 >>> 1
14:25 <philippeqc> 0 1
14:25 <philippeqc> 0 1
14:26 <philippeqc> >>> 0 >>> 0
14:26 <philippeqc> 0 0
14:26 <philippeqc> 0 0
14:26 <wrtlprnft> let me parse that
14:26 <philippeqc> the frigging operator<() is virtual ON ALL THE classes.
14:27 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: basically, I do various variation of the same test, front and back. The second serie of 3 show all result being false, as its the operation<() from Base that is called
14:28 <wrtlprnft> very weird
14:28 <wrtlprnft> and the only difference is the base pointer?
14:29 <philippeqc> what do you mean
14:29 <philippeqc> ooo in this case yes.
14:29 <philippeqc> one call Int's operator<() the other one's Base's operator<()
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> Base *delme1 = dynamic_case<Base*> new Int(42); <--- try that?
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:30 <wrtlprnft> if anything it's dynamic_cast
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> Base *delme1 = dynamic_cast<Base*> new Int(42); <--- try that?
14:30 <philippeqc> Int is a child of Base.
14:30 <wrtlprnft> the dynamic_cast should not be needed
14:30 <guru3> so it's true that all your Base are belong to us
14:30 <philippeqc> coding
14:30 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: what does GetInt() do?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> with the base pointer
14:30 <philippeqc> nothing
14:30 <wrtlprnft> return 0?
14:30 <philippeqc> its your Base. I could check it.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanna see if it has something to do with strange handling of operators
14:31 <philippeqc> I've followed the execution with gdb, and it is Base::operator<() that is called.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> well, the same code works with what is currently in SVN...
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> does Base::operator<() have a definition? Can you make it pure virtual?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> can
14:32 <wrtlprnft> 't be purely virtual
14:32 * Lucifer_arma curses the idiot that put ' next to enter
14:32 <wrtlprnft> uh
14:32 <wrtlprnft> actually it's the shift key that screws me up
14:32 <wrtlprnft> you need to press shift-# for '
14:33 <wrtlprnft> and both keys are around the return key...
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh
14:33 <philippeqc> pure virtual as in operator<() const = 0; that gives me a lot of error during compilation.
14:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:33 <wrtlprnft> base objects are used in places
14:34 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: dynamic_cast of course fixes the problem. But I have more than one child class. Polymorphism should kick in with virtuals
14:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:35 <wrtlprnft> can you put the code online somewhere
14:35 <philippeqc> sure
14:35 <wrtlprnft> it must be one of your changes, the same code works here
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> we are being invaded by people who want to setup dedicated servers, but don't want to read anything that tells them how
14:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah :(
14:36 <philippeqc> yes, I guess it is, but I really dont know how to angle it.
14:37 <philippeqc> 2 files: .cpp: http://pastebin.com/715253, setBase-5.h : http://pastebin.com/715256
14:37 <philippeqc> the .cpp's main is only a bunch of test code.
14:38 <wrtlprnft> no wonder i guess
14:38 <wrtlprnft> Base:
14:39 <wrtlprnft> virtual bool operator< (Base const &other) const; //!< compares two values
14:39 <wrtlprnft> number:
14:39 <wrtlprnft> virtual bool operator< (BaseExt const &other) const; //!< compares two values
14:39 <wrtlprnft> different function prototyped
14:39 <wrtlprnft> *prototypes
14:41 <philippeqc> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
14:41 <wrtlprnft> it's two different functions, polymorphism won't kick in unless you either make Base::operator< take a BaseExt const & or Number::operator< take a Base const &
14:42 <philippeqc> 'arggggggggggggggggggggggggg
14:42 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:42 * Lucifer_arma hopes philippeqc hasn't been wrestling with it too long
14:42 <wrtlprnft> i know, things like that happened to me, too
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> far more often than I'd care to image. "Oh, you mean I'm supposed to put 2 equal signs?"
14:42 * philippeqc is taken by a complex mix of anger and shame
14:43 * wrtlprnft hopes philippeqc isn't angry at me
14:43 <wrtlprnft> angry on?
14:43 <wrtlprnft> whatever
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> angry at is correct
14:43 <wrtlprnft> yay
14:43 <philippeqc> angry on myself
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes you just need someone else to look at it. :)
14:44 <wrtlprnft> someone who didn't mess with it all the time
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> someone did some sort of serious-sounding research where they determined that having a second programmer riding shotgun helps a lot
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> I guess because it catches those things
14:44 <philippeqc> if I have many degrees of inheritence, should a copy constructor be:
14:45 <philippeqc> assuming B: Base, C: Child of Base, S: (Sub) child of Child
14:45 <philippeqc> a) S(S x)
14:45 <philippeqc> b) S(C x)
14:45 <philippeqc> c) other
14:45 <wrtlprnft> depends
14:45 <philippeqc> d) S(P x)
14:45 <wrtlprnft> P?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> B?
14:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm guessing a), because the base classes know how to copy the rest, and your subclass can't copy itself into the rest
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> from the rest
14:46 <philippeqc> d) S(B x)
14:46 <wrtlprnft> depends, still
14:46 <wrtlprnft> if you need information from S, use a
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> I guess the question that matters is:
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> if I have a and b both implemented as copy constructors, and I pass it type S, which one gets called? a or b? Either are valid...
14:47 <wrtlprnft> if you mess around with pointers a lot d) might be good, use typeid to figure out what type your object is
14:47 <philippeqc> then its a copy between S. But if I dont know what the usage will be?
14:47 <wrtlprnft> then implement all of them ;)
14:48 <wrtlprnft> it'll use the highest one it can
14:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, the way I understand it, you implement copy constructors for what you expect to receive and let the compiler take care of the rest :)
14:48 <Lucifer_arma> if the compiler can't take care of the rest, then you implement the ones you need to micro-manage
14:48 * philippeqc feels I dont know anymore what to expect.
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, when some says new S(somechildofB), what do you expect from somechildofB?
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> you can implement copy constructors whose sole purpose is to throw an exception that says "I can't copy from this" if you'd like :)
14:49 <wrtlprnft> you can use the information B has to initialize the object
14:49 <wrtlprnft> and put the rest to default values
14:49 <philippeqc> B is pretty empty
14:50 <wrtlprnft> then you probably don't want B
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> that is true, but the person making the call is going to expect some sort of behavior that makes sense
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> so whatever you do, it has to provide behavior that makes sense :)
14:50 <philippeqc> so I should go for a) and have the parent's class deal with more generic cases
14:50 <philippeqc> a) being S(S x)
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe, it still depends on what S looks like
14:51 <philippeqc> as it gets C(C x) and B(B x)
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> and how much of S can be setup by one of its parents
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there's no rule to follow, it all depends on what the api actually looks like
14:51 <philippeqc> each S adds new data holder and re-implement a behavior
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> does that render the old data holder obsolete?
14:52 <philippeqc> old data holder?
14:52 <philippeqc> oooo
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing. Take Z as a sibling of S, and S receives Z
14:52 <wrtlprnft> now you guys lost me :P
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> and Z is typecasted to one of its parents
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> what does S do with it? *can* S even do anything meaningful with it?
14:53 <philippeqc> no, more like a more specialised. Its jsut that there are many branches. From C, I have 3 trunks, One is for single data, One for a single collection of data, One for a pair of collection of data (wich has childs for union, interaction, difference)
14:54 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: for this case, I'd need S(S x) and S(Z x), as S(C x) could not be of use.
14:56 <philippeqc> ok, thanks for this discussion. I'll go with S(S x), rely on parent (that was the part I was a bit confused about), and adjust on need.
15:03 <wrtlprnft> woot 1000 posts in the dev forums!
15:03 <wrtlprnft> no, 1000 threads
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15:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar_> what the
15:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar_> got reconnected...
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15:48 <philippeqc> Yippy! It finally work!
15:50 <philippeqc> i should definitivly look into copying this to a checkout version from svn... Better addres that with a fresh head.
15:50 <philippeqc> will be on CT
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm out
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cya
16:22 <philippeqc> good night
16:22 <philippeqc> cya
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16:37 <spidey> zing
16:37 <spidey> zomg
16:39 -!- Nixda999 [n=55d42252@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
16:39 <Nixda999> Armagetron issn Kackspiel!!!!!!!!
16:39 <Nixda999> Was f?r Noobs deren M?tter auf Crack sind!!!
16:40 -!- Nixda999 [n=55d42252@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
16:41 <z-man> Heh, constructive input, that :) He didn't even specify the kind of shit. Like, dog shit or guano.
16:42 <Vanhayes> All I understood was Armagetron, Noob, and Crack, but I think I got the jest of what he meant.
16:43 <spidey> what did he say?
16:44 <spidey> translation plz xD
16:44 * spidey pokes z-man
16:49 <joda_bot> Translation: Armagetron is a shit game!!!!! Something for Noobs whos mothers are taking crack
16:49 <spidey> lolol
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> so why does the nvidia driver somehow make all the fonts bigger?
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> with the nv driver, I setup all the fonts to a nice size, then when I switched to the nvidia driver, they all suddenly blew up!
16:53 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft mentioned that the OpenGL has to fixed
16:54 <joda_bot> OpenGL is a state machine
16:54 <joda_bot> 1) The initial state might differ
16:54 <joda_bot> 2) Some OpenGL command might be interpreted or optimized differently between implementations
16:56 <joda_bot> Usually you just should push / pop the parts of the OpenGL state which a subroutine modifies, to make sure you get the original state afterwards
16:56 <joda_bot> this results in deterministic behaviour (except if you OpenGL implementation is broken ;))
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17:01 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking about in kde
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I was :)
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> note to self: don't pull the tray out from under the ice maker right before it drops a batch of ice
17:25 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-162-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
17:25 <G5_Ger> Hi
17:25 <Vanhayes> Hey G5_Ger
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17:38 <Smackdat> yay! i love armagetron!
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17:52 <spidey> mmm
17:53 <spidey> i wuv joo van!
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18:20 <Vanhayes> ?
18:21 <Vanhayes> spidey, What?
18:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that font thing is weird. I'll test it a bit after i get home. I have a nvidia card there#
18:43 <wrtlprnft> no ati, though
18:47 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Which font does cause trouble ?
18:47 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I've seen wierd behaviour of our ported java ftgl implementation on ATI cards too
18:47 <wrtlprnft> i assume Lucifer_arma means the texture font
18:48 <joda_bot> There are probably some really bad ATI drivers out there + some "bugs" in FTGL (e.g. code only tested on NVIDIA)
18:48 <wrtlprnft> and yeah, I'm doing some weird scaling things there, look for yourself
18:48 <wrtlprnft> it's the only way i found to make it look right for me
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18:49 <wrtlprnft> we're talking about nvida cards that do it wrong from my point of view
18:49 <wrtlprnft> 18:48 <wrtlprnft> and yeah, I'm doing some weird scaling things there, look for yourself
18:49 <wrtlprnft> 18:48 <wrtlprnft> it's the only way i found to make it look right for me
18:49 <wrtlprnft> different than my intel chip
18:50 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: I'll have a look ... [n=55d42252@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] -> 55.d4.22.52 -> 85.212.34.82 -> p85.212.34.82.tisdip.tiscali.de :)
18:51 <joda_bo1> Just to explain the gibberish user name ;)
18:54 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: if you know a bit about ftgl, care to look at the code that calls all the gl functions before rendering the font?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, for all the crazy if() thingies: Assume sr_fontType == 3
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19:13 <wrtlprnft> http://serverkompetenz.net/
19:13 <wrtlprnft> what an interesting website
19:20 <spidey> supercalafragalisticsexpealadoseszomgwtfhaxplzkthnxbbq
19:20 <wrtlprnft> woot, it's valid html
19:21 <wrtlprnft> bbq?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> thnx?
19:22 <wrtlprnft> where's the bbc? I'm hungry!
19:23 <joda_bo1> I'm hungry too ;)
19:23 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
19:23 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Why don't we use Memoserv for memos ?
19:24 <wrtlprnft> #g 19+7-12
19:24 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: why should we? I never look for it
19:24 * wrtlprnft goes calculate by hand
19:24 <joda_bot> I just get a message from it "no memos" every time I authentificate
19:25 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: memoserv only works for authenticated people?
19:25 <joda_bot> I guess so ye
19:25 <joda_bot> yes
19:25 <wrtlprnft> so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs
19:25 <spidey> ....
19:25 <wrtlprnft> and they can't send a note to yoou
19:25 <joda_bot> Who cares :-P
19:25 <wrtlprnft> ack, didn't mean it like that
19:25 <joda_bot> ok right, ;)
19:25 <spidey> i find that insulting :/
19:25 <Vanhayes> heh spidet is noob
19:26 <wrtlprnft> remind me to add that to armabot's quotes
19:26 <Vanhayes> where is armabot anyway?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> on vacation
19:26 <spidey> he doesn't like you
19:26 <spidey> so he left
19:26 <wrtlprnft> until Lucifer_arma fixes his server
19:27 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
19:27 <wrtlprnft> spidey: she! she! she!
19:27 <spidey> pwn
19:27 <spidey> i need more CD's ......
19:27 <spidey> running out of hdd space and need to put these dvd -rs to work
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> "How do I join SP clan?"
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> 1. Become as snobby as possible.
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> 2. Demonstrate extreme arrogance.
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> 3. Tell everyone how good you are.
19:33 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: hehe, my clan mates won't like you better then, I guess they don't take sarcasm or irony lightly ... poor kids
19:34 * Lucifer_arma tries to remember when SP clan liked him
19:34 <joda_bot> ah ok, will loath you ? ;)
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, I don't think there is a clan who, as an entity, can possibly like me.
19:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what does a google key look like
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> Some individuals here and there, maybe...
19:34 <wrtlprnft> for their seach API
19:35 <joda_bot> ah right keys ;)
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember, heh
19:35 <joda_bot> who can edit the wiki's login page ? ;)
19:35 <wrtlprnft> tank
19:35 <joda_bot> Just add a tabindex to the hidden field with a value of 32768
19:35 <joda_bot> That way I won't edit these fields by pressing tab after entering my login name
19:36 <wrtlprnft> true
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I've emerged supybot, now how do I get it to start on boot?
19:37 <spidey> i don't like lucifer either
19:37 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: tell armabot #message guru3* can you add a "tabindex=32760" to the unused "spam-protect" input fields, then I won't accidently modify them after pressing tab :)
19:37 <spidey> i love luci <3
19:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no clue...
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> is there something like rc.local?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> there's /etc/init.d/local
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> is it safe to change it?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:48 <wrtlprnft> that's what it's for
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19:49 <wrtlprnft> warning, that's not armabot, that's me
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> hey, that's not the real armabot
19:49 <wrtlprnft> #list
19:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
19:49 <joda_bot> #message guru3* can you add a "tabindex=32760" to the unused "spam-protect" input fields, then I won't accidently modify them after pressing tab :)
19:49 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: "message" is not a valid command.
19:49 <joda_bot> #later tell guru3* can you add a "tabindex=32760" to the unused "spam-protect" input fields, then I won't accidently modify them after pressing tab :)
19:49 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it won't work, it'll just be here until the real bot comes back
19:50 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
19:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I don't recognize you.
19:50 <joda_bot> #kill yourself ;)
19:50 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: "kill" is not a valid command.
19:50 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
19:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft
19:50 <wrtlprnft> #list config
19:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
19:50 <wrtlprnft> #list owner
19:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #list admin
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addcapability, channels, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, and unignore
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #load google
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #load alias
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #google asdf
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You must have a free Google web services license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://google.com/apis/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Google.licenseKey <key>".
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the real armabot should be here pretty soon
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> unless it just didn't start for some reason, hmmm
19:52 <wrtlprnft> it should throw mine out, heh
19:52 <wrtlprnft> #google asdf
19:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.330228 seconds: asdf .com: <http://www.asdf.com/>; What is asdf ?: <http://www.asdf.com/whatisasdf.html>; CLiki : asdf: <http://www.cliki.net/asdf>; Association Of Synchronous Data Formats: <http://www.asdf.org/>; CLiki : ASDF -Install: <http://cliki.net/asdf-install>; Redirect: <http://www.weitz.de/asdf-install/>; Asdf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
19:52 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g google calc
19:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #load unix
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This report is filled with omissions.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> woot
19:53 <wrtlprnft> fortune without some crazy script :)
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> aha, nvm, needs more work
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #help wtf
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #g 20+7-12
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> #alias add g "google calc $*"
19:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 20+7-12
19:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 20 + 7 - 12 = 15
19:54 <wrtlprnft> #wtf asdf
19:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
19:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: once armabot is back up, don't forget to load the unix plugin :)
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #spell abbreviation
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19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command spell is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before spell.
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell abbreviation
19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The spell command timed out.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> #google spell abbreviation
19:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is this command?
19:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is Lucifer_arma
19:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> it is installed!
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19:56 <wrtlprnft> haha
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19:57 <Nazurath> pwnt
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #test
19:57 <armabot> Hi there. Secret message. This alias will destroy itself right now. The operation succeeded.
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #test
19:57 <Nazurath> #fluffy
19:57 <wrtlprnft> gah
19:57 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
19:57 <Nazurath> heh
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> always wondered what happened when someone that's identified joins while someone else is using their name
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
19:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'unix' is not a valid plugin.
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> #load unix
19:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
19:57 <wrtlprnft> load it! and emerge wtf :)
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #unix fortune
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is wtf?
19:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> no fortune!?!?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> and fortune!
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, let me make sure it'll restart when the system does
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> how do I execute a command as a different user?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: start-stop-daemon
19:58 <wrtlprnft> or no
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> just use su -p
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> I used su -c before, what's the difference?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: use -c, i screwed up
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, -c didn't work though
19:59 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit]
19:59 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ su -c "echo hi" ~/supy
19:59 <wrtlprnft> Password:
19:59 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:00 <wrtlprnft> root@laptop # su mathias -c "echo hi" /home/mathias/supy
20:00 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:00 <wrtlprnft> works just fine :)
20:01 <wrtlprnft> wow, wtf rocks :)
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> supybot is somehow picking up that it's root
20:01 <wrtlprnft> then su it to some other user
20:02 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm su-ing it to user supybot that I just created
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20:05 <wrtlprnft> and what goes wrong?
20:05 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: What's the command to execute a system command from everytime cfg ?
20:05 <joda_bot> Or does it require some hacking for 0.2.8. ?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> i don't think that's possible
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can't
20:06 <wrtlprnft> you can tail -f var/scorelog.txt
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> you have to execute the command to *write* everytime.cfg
20:06 <wrtlprnft> and have a shellscript search it for "New Round"
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> benedict etc # start-stop-daemon --start --user supybot --exec "/usr/bin/supybot" "/home/supybot/ircstuff/armabot.conf"
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> Dude, don't even try to run this as root.
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> benedict etc # su -c "supybot /home/supybot/ircstuff/armabot.conf &" supybot
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> benedict etc # Dude, don't even try to run this as root.
20:06 <wrtlprnft> oo
20:07 <wrtlprnft> try su with -l
20:07 <wrtlprnft> -, -l, --login make the shell a login shell
20:08 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: which version has date stamps ?
20:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:08 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: you added stamps to the chat logs ?
20:08 <joda_bot> which version has it ?
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i added them to scorelog
20:08 <joda_bot> yes
20:08 <wrtlprnft> in b0_2_8, methinks
20:08 <joda_bot> that's what I ment ;)
20:08 <joda_bot> cool ;)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> that means it'll be in 0.3.0 and the trunk by now, too
20:08 <joda_bot> won't need the wierd stuff ;)
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> aha, figured it out
20:15 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> #echo wrtlprnft: I'm here, baby.
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I'm here, baby.
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> #unix wtf is wtf
20:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, it is installed
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> #unix wtf is wtf
20:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> #unix fortune
20:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> #help unix
20:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (unix <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Unix plugin. Use 'list Unix' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Unix' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command (1 more message)
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list unix
20:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf is wtf
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #fortune
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command fortune is available in the Alias and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before fortune.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #unix fortune
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #config
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command fortune
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> #unix fortune
20:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: It seems the configured fortune command was not available.
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> benedict dave # emerge fortune
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> Calculating dependencies
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "fortune".
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command wtf
20:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf is wtf
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf is wrtlprnft
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: nothing appropriate
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wtf
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf is wrtlprnft
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: nothing appropriate
20:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft looks like armabot came back
20:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:36 <joda_bot> gn8
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20:36 <wrtlprnft> night
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is supybot
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: supybot: nothing appropriate
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #help crypt
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (crypt <password> [<salt>]) -- Returns the resulting of doing a crypt() on <password> If <salt> is not given, uses a random salt. If running on a glibc2 system, prepending '$1$' to your salt will cause crypt to return an MD5sum based crypt rather than the standard DES based crypt.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #help errno
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (errno <error number or code>) -- Returns the number of an errno code, or the errno code of a number.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #help pid
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (pid takes no arguments) -- Returns the current pid of the process for this Supybot.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #pid
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #help progstats
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (progstats takes no arguments) -- Returns various unix-y information on the running supybot process.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> #progstats
20:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Process ID 13962 running as user "supybot" and as group "100" from directory "/home/supybot" with the command line "/usr/bin/supybot /home/supybot/ircstuff/armabot.conf". Running on Python 2.4.2 (#1, Feb 14 2006, 08:10:35) [GCC 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1, ssp-3.4.4-1.0, pie-8.7.8)].
20:38 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is fyi
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FYI: for your information
20:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:38 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:39 <Vanhayes> FYI=For your information?
20:39 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:40 <wrtlprnft> that's what armabot said :)
20:40 <Vanhayes> lol didnt read that
20:40 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfm
20:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
20:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfm?
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> woot, it even accepts ?
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfm?!?!
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: rtfm?!?!: nothing appropriate
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
20:42 <wrtlprnft> bah
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> how am I supposed to get fortune on my server?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #unix fortune
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured fortune command was not available.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> uh
20:47 <wrtlprnft> emerge fortune
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, why does it give the error message after running the command for wtf?
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> I tried emerge fortune, it said there wasn't one
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> currently emerging wxpython, though
20:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:51 <wrtlprnft> there was just the exact same ad twice on tv...
20:51 <wrtlprnft> like, twice in a row
20:51 <Vanhayes> It happens some times
20:51 <wrtlprnft> someone screwed up there i guess ;)
20:52 * Lucifer_arma wonders why wrtlprnft is wasting his brain cells on tv
20:52 * Lucifer_arma wonders why wrtlprnft is wasting his brain cells on tv
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, smoke pot or something if you have to
20:52 <wrtlprnft> :P
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> smoking pot > watching tv
20:52 <Vanhayes> what about doing both?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> why not just get a lobotomy, then?
20:53 <Vanhayes> pretty sure that would cost more money.
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> nah, just hit your head hard enough with a hammer and the state will cover the costs
20:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage is you can collect social security
20:54 * Lucifer_arma knows Vanhayes is a hopeless canadian that pays his health-care taxes
20:54 <Vanhayes> well since this is canada I can do just about anythinf and the Province will cover the cost
20:54 <Vanhayes> heh
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> then why won't they cover a lobotomy? Tell 'em you won't smoke weed or watch tv if they do that...
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that argument only works in the US
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> lobotomy: cosmetic surgery for your brain
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> will they cover breast implants?
20:55 <Vanhayes> seeing as Canada is leaning towards legelizing weed they wouldnt care too much
20:56 <Vanhayes> never asked about breast inplants
20:56 <Vanhayes> implants*
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, 'cause those have the same effect as getting a lobotomy
20:56 <wrtlprnft> #seen n54
20:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 5 days, 23 hours, 4 minutes, and 54 seconds ago saying: <n54> hi mom :)
20:56 <wrtlprnft> what happened to node?
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> hibernation?
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> he comes and goes, maybe he finally tipped over the edge, one way or another
20:57 <wrtlprnft> :(
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. he either killed himself (unlikely), or he got a girlfriend (likely)
20:57 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> or he got sick of me, heh
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's server down?
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, he said it'd be down for some time this weekend, didn't he?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: meet you to pwn CT?
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'm not terribly crazy about CT
21:02 <wrtlprnft> it's fun :(
21:03 <wrtlprnft> (of course, it's a clan server, so Lucifer_arma can't like it, ever)
21:03 <Vanhayes> I dont like the people there, most of them are noobs
21:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:03 <spidey> d0000000000000000000000000d
21:03 <Vanhayes> I got a kick because the guy next to me wouldnt break sooner and I killed him
21:04 <spidey> ahahha
21:04 <spidey> change your ip and lets go pwn 'em
21:04 <wrtlprnft> #note add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs"
21:04 <Vanhayes> that was a while ago, and I hold a grugde
21:05 <wrtlprnft> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs"
21:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:05 <spidey> ahahhaha
21:06 <wrtlprnft> armabot doesn't like me
21:06 <Vanhayes> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs."
21:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:06 <Vanhayes> bah
21:06 * wrtlprnft looks at Lucifer_arma
21:06 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
21:06 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
21:06 <spidey> #vanhayes
21:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is cool.
21:06 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
21:06 <Vanhayes> hehe
21:06 <McSpiddles> psh
21:07 <McSpiddles> i'm going to play fortress cause you're banned
21:07 <Vanhayes> i was Kicked about a week ago
21:07 <Vanhayes> dont think it lasts that long but who knows
21:08 <Vanhayes> I need a break fortress sounds good
21:09 <McSpiddles> maybe not
21:10 <Vanhayes> go to LOL's fort
21:14 <McSpiddles> what's BF down?
21:14 <Vanhayes> what's or why's?
21:14 <McSpiddles> i ment to say
21:14 <McSpiddles> is BF down
21:14 <McSpiddles> lol
21:15 <McSpiddles> dunno why i put what's
21:15 <McSpiddles> and no,a kick only lasts like 18 minutes
21:15 <Vanhayes> er
21:16 <Vanhayes> did u get kicked wrtlprnft ?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> what do you mean?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> BF fortress is down altogether
21:27 <Vanhayes> what does who mean?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> #lat --with kicked
21:27 <McSpiddles> :|
21:27 <wrtlprnft> #last --with kicked --from Vanhayes
21:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:16:38] <Vanhayes> did u get kicked wrtlprnft ?
21:28 <Vanhayes> from LOL i got disconnect
21:29 <wrtlprnft> i left myself
21:29 <wrtlprnft> *by myself
21:30 <Vanhayes> o must have been after I left
21:30 <Vanhayes> er not left, After I got disconnected
21:30 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> who's zizzler?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> no clue
21:31 <wrtlprnft> but ive seen him
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23:52 <Vanhayes> http://xbox.ign.com/articles/713/713115p1.html
23:52 <Vanhayes> In case you ever wondered where the word "pwned" came from...
Log from 2006-06-18:
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00:41 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-156-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
00:50 <Vanhayes> #list alias
00:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, (1 more message)
00:50 <Vanhayes> #more
00:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
00:51 <Vanhayes> #quote
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: (quote <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Quote plugin. Use 'list Quote' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Quote' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command (1 more message)
00:51 <Vanhayes> #q
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
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01:21 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
01:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Quote with id #18 in my database for #armagetron.
01:21 <Vanhayes> #quote get 1
01:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:37 PM, March 23, 2006)
01:21 <Vanhayes> #quote get 2
01:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
01:22 <Vanhayes> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs."
01:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:22 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
01:23 <Niii> hi :>
01:23 <Vanhayes> hey Niii
01:23 <Niii> ^^
01:23 <Niii> no sumo, no fortress, cant play
01:23 <Vanhayes> there is LOL! fortress, that and ct is all there is right now
01:24 <Niii> no its down
01:24 <Vanhayes> ct is down?
01:24 <Niii> lol its dow,
01:24 <Vanhayes> damn onlt LOL then
01:25 <Vanhayes> lol isnt, I am in it right now
01:25 <Niii> its ok, found someone for 1v1 sumo
01:31 <Vanhayes> #list
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
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01:34 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
01:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:35 <Vanhayes> hmm
01:35 <Vanhayes> #weather
01:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
01:35 <Vanhayes> #weather toronto
01:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:36 <McSpiddles> pwn
01:36 <McSpiddles> #pokes Vanhayes
01:36 <McSpiddles> #poke Vanhayes
01:36 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
01:36 <McSpiddles> #list alias
01:36 <armabot> McSpiddles: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, (1 more message)
01:36 <McSpiddles> #more
01:36 <armabot> McSpiddles: poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
01:36 <McSpiddles> #mfag
01:36 <McSpiddles> #mfaq
01:36 <armabot> set CYCLE_DELAY above 0 to avoid bikes jumping to the wrong side of trails when doubling back on trails
01:36 <Vanhayes> click on the link i put up there to see where "pwned" came from
01:37 <Vanhayes> there is also "teabagging" for FPS which I find very disturbing
01:38 <McSpiddles> i already knew that....
01:38 <Vanhayes> you knew teabagging?
01:39 <Vanhayes> in fps i mean
01:42 <Vanhayes> #list
01:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
01:43 <Vanhayes> #seen fluffy
01:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: fluffy was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 18 hours, 39 minutes, and 9 seconds ago saying: <Fluffy> you installing mepis?
01:44 <guru3> i remember when there just used to be like 8 people here, now there's twice that :D
02:04 <Vanhayes> #night
02:04 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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02:13 <luke-jr_> I remember when I was the only one here :\
02:18 <McSpiddles> ?
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03:02 <philippeqc> hi
03:03 <guru3> lo
03:04 <philippeqc> slow to wake up this morning
03:09 <luke-jr_> o
03:10 <luke-jr_> tell my server to compile faster
03:10 <guru3> i wonder if distcc over ssh would work to my server
03:10 <luke-jr_> sure, why not?
03:10 <luke-jr_> presuming it has a compatible system of course
03:10 <guru3> i dunno
03:10 <guru3> hence the wondering
03:11 <luke-jr_> same CPU?
03:11 <luke-jr_> both GCC post 3.1?
03:12 <guru3> x86
03:12 <guru3> gcc: unrecognized option `-version'
03:12 <guru3> gcc: no input files
03:12 <guru3> distcc[9257] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed
03:12 <luke-jr_> --version
03:12 <guru3> gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)
03:12 <guru3> Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
03:12 <guru3> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
03:12 <guru3> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
03:12 <guru3> yes
03:12 <luke-jr_> same glibc version?
03:12 <guru3> not sure how to check that one
03:13 <luke-jr_> or rather, is the compiling system the newest version of glibc?
03:13 <luke-jr_> (of the group)
03:13 <luke-jr_> ls -d /var/db/pkg/*/glibc-*
03:13 <guru3> /var/db/pkg/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/glibc-2.3.6-r2
03:13 <guru3> /var/db/pkg/sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5-r2
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03:14 <luke-jr_> wtf? you experimenting w/ cross compiling? =p
03:14 <guru3> oh yeah i was for a while
03:14 <guru3> too many library things to sort out @ the time
03:15 <luke-jr_> Portage doesn't handle deps? =p
03:15 <guru3> only the bare necessities
03:15 <guru3> but like i'd have to manually compile the x86_64 sdl libraries i think
03:15 <luke-jr_> pfft
03:15 <luke-jr_> why not just build it native?
03:15 <guru3> point is distccing x86_64 wasn't working
03:15 <guru3> which is what i was trying
03:15 <luke-jr_> ah
03:16 <luke-jr_> well, distccing doesn't need the helpers to have the libs/headers
03:16 <luke-jr_> just the compiler
03:16 <guru3> i dunno why but it wasn't working ><
03:16 <luke-jr_> anyway, g'night
03:16 <guru3> good night
03:29 <philippeqc> z-man about the axis problems
03:29 <philippeqc> ouch he left
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05:17 <philippeqc> Hello z-man
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05:17 <philippeqc> I dont have a good answer for the non-normalized axis.
05:18 <philippeqc> other than it represent stretched dimensions, so all should be stretched like it is now.
05:22 <z-man> Ok, so I'll just leave the code as it is, and make network game work as a local game right now.
05:22 <z-man> Everything else just opens up the can of worms of full customizability of axes...
05:22 <z-man> different physics settings for each axis!
05:23 <philippeqc> well, my interpretation is a bit weak, as it come half after the fact. I wanted non-normalised, and the stretched definition kinda matched it, and the current code. But I'd be open for other interpretation of non-normalized
05:24 <philippeqc> I had a revelation. One of the fundament of the game is that it restrict direction and trajectories. But we always operate with a set of direction and straight lines afterward for trajectories
05:25 <philippeqc> But to do the circle arena, the direction change from North, East, South and West, to "toward center, circumference clockwise, away from center, and circumference counter-clockwise".
05:26 <philippeqc> In other words, the directions change in space
05:26 <philippeqc> your location determine what they map to.
05:26 <philippeqc> and the trajectories are "straight line" to and from the center, and circles around the center.
05:28 <philippeqc> One could have directions that change in time too. Have a 4 axes configuration that slowly rotates. The direction you end up on a turn depends of the time you made the turn
05:29 <z-man> Eek ;)
05:29 <philippeqc> he, its raw idea. Dont judge the examples.
05:29 <z-man> Curved lines are really hard to make collision detection for :)
05:29 <philippeqc> but yeah, the time one is weird, but the space on is really neat
05:30 <philippeqc> not to consider the changes required to the topology engine to support curved walls.
05:30 <z-man> Yeah, we could use some of the tools of differential geometry there...
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05:30 <z-man> That could allow us to internally still work with straight lines and use a two-way translation to make the graphical appearance of them curved
05:31 <z-man> For the circle example, we'll work with polar coordinates internally
05:31 <z-man> and make the circular speed proportional to the radial coordinate
05:31 <philippeqc> one thing I realised is that "Axes" goes over the directions. So instead of x and y, your basis are tetha and radius. And axis could be (+1theta, 0radius) but also (+0.5 tetha, +0.5)
05:31 <z-man> and use connectors to make the arena topologically a circle
05:32 <z-man> sorry, got to go. Do continue talking, I'll read it later :)
05:32 <philippeqc> ok
05:32 <philippeqc> dont think connector are the solution here.
05:33 <philippeqc> I feel changing the engine to support curve might actually be the way, rather than remapped-polar
05:35 <philippeqc> pushing direction and trajectory one step more after the circle, you have "gravity" where traveling toward the center accelerate you, and away decelerate you, and the speed on an orbit is determined as 1/r^2 (about, dont recall for sure).
05:35 <philippeqc> ok, this might still work in polar you think...
05:38 <philippeqc> put 2 masses. Then you get a field of forces. You have lines of equi-force where the total pull of the gravity is constant, but its direction change. And the opposing direction is the gravity vector direction. (Yes my math knowledge about field of force sucks... sorry)
05:39 <philippeqc> And once you have this, you can have N mass. or be in a complex magnetic field, or other.
05:42 <philippeqc> And if a map designer is nice, he maps the trajectories to travel the line of the field of force. So while a player doesnt touch his control, his cycle travel around the field of force on a "complex path"
05:42 <philippeqc> But one doesnt need to be nice
05:43 <philippeqc> In the basic circle example, having the directions as defined, one could say that each trajectory is always a straight line from the point where the turn occured.
05:45 <philippeqc> So our player leaves the center due north and moves on the radius. At a distance of 10, he turns right. But instead of snapping him on the circumference trajectory, he snaps on a straight trajectory parallel to one from the center, due east, but 10 units on the side.
05:47 <philippeqc> Assuming we have a "at the time to make a turn, map the current direction of travel to the closest matching axis available, then take the axis on the right or left of that depending on the turn"
05:49 <philippeqc> So if our player travels far enough, when he makes his turn, his current direction of travel will match the radius one. so turning will put him on a trajectory perpendicular to the radius at this point.
05:51 <philippeqc> But if our player doenst wait much to turn, at the time he makes his turn, his current direction of travel will match the direction of the circumference (ie: perpendicular to the radius one). So turning at this point will snap him back to the radius, either to or from the center. And from this point he travels in a straight line in the new direction.
05:54 <philippeqc> so, 2 new concepts. Directions and Trajectories. Axes sit over directions, as we have now with x and y, its just that now the whole axis alignment is reoriented in space for every location.
05:56 <philippeqc> I had this vision since before x-mass. But just the required need to change eGrid made me sit on it and keep quiet. But as you are touching the axes, I though it was better to let it out so we dont introduce changes that would lock it out.
06:08 <philippeqc> With directions, the "basics" (in cartesian its x and y, in polar its tetha and radius, in field of force i dont knwo what they are) the basics get to be described as equations.
06:10 <philippeqc> On the circle example, traveling on the radius from r=1 to r=2 will be the same as traveling from r=100 to r=101, so moving along r is done at a constant rate, but in a gravity configuration, it would not.
06:14 <philippeqc> Also, moving along tetha on the circle map can be done in many ways. One could travel at constant speed, irrelevant of the distance from the center, or one could travel at constant tetha, going around the circle in the same about of time irrelevantly of the distance fromthe center. So in one case, motion along tetha is k/x , and in the other it is k. A gravity configuration could have motion along tetha be k/x^2 to represent e
06:14 <philippeqc> nergy.
06:42 <philippeqc> Of course, you can keep the directions on the traditional x and y, and instead only play with the trajectories. If the trajectories are all on a very large circle, the players driving in long line would be slowly slanting, like a car in need of maintenance.
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07:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list unix
07:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> #progstats
07:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Process ID 13962 running as user "supybot" and as group "100" from directory "/home/supybot" with the command line "/usr/bin/supybot /home/supybot/ircstuff/armabot.conf". Running on Python 2.4.2 (#1, Feb 14 2006, 08:10:35) [GCC 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1, ssp-3.4.4-1.0, pie-8.7.8)].
07:23 <philippeqc> oups, for a sec, I thought wrt was part of your OS.
07:23 <philippeqc> #list unix
07:23 <armabot> philippeqc: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf afaik
07:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: AFAIK: as far as I know
07:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
07:26 <philippeqc> #wtf iirc
07:26 <armabot> philippeqc: IIRC: if I recall correctly
07:26 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
07:26 <philippeqc> neat
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> jeez, it's been calculating world dependencies for 30 minutes
07:29 <philippeqc> ouch
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07:54 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I needed to do emerge --metadata after the last sync, now it's screaming through it
08:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: I'm not part of Lucifer_arma's OS?
08:03 <wrtlprnft> #last --from philippeqc --with
08:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
08:03 <wrtlprnft> #last --from philippeqc --with wrt
08:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:23:34] <philippeqc> oups, for a sec, I thought wrt was part of your OS.
08:03 <philippeqc> its the difference between wtf and wrt
08:04 <philippeqc> #list unix
08:04 <armabot> philippeqc: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
08:04 <wrtlprnft> ah
08:10 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: where do you parse the cockpit?
08:10 <wrtlprnft> cCockpit.cpp and cWidgetBase.cpp
08:12 <philippeqc> thanks. found the source of the first runtime error, but not the cause.
08:13 <wrtlprnft> some tValue errors?
08:13 <wrtlprnft> all the tValue stugg happens within WithDataFunctions
08:13 <philippeqc> no, I guess some polymorphism error.
08:13 <philippeqc> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
08:13 <philippeqc> 0x00000000005d799a in tValue::Set::operator= (this=0xd7e698, other=@0x7fffffbf5cd0) at ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp:131
08:14 <philippeqc> in tValue::Set WithDataFunctions::ProcessDataSet(tXmlParser::node cur) {
08:14 <philippeqc> i changed value, min and max to tValue::BasePtr, with is boost::shared_ptr<Base>
08:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm
08:15 <philippeqc> so the return is now using .get rather than .release (shared_ptr doesnt have release)
08:16 <wrtlprnft> that's bad...
08:16 <philippeqc> really, why?
08:16 <wrtlprnft> that probably means the thing that it's pointing at gets deleted
08:16 <wrtlprnft> while there's still a normal pointer pointing at it
08:16 <philippeqc> I removed the .release
08:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah. then the shared_ptr still owns the object
08:17 <philippeqc> yes
08:17 <wrtlprnft> and will delete it
08:17 <philippeqc> where do you say it would delete it?
08:17 <wrtlprnft> where the shared_ptr dies?
08:18 <philippeqc> oooooooooooooo
08:18 <philippeqc> i should do a get on it
08:18 <philippeqc> I should pass it, then count_ref will inc
08:18 <wrtlprnft> you could just make whatever uses a Base* use a BasePtr instead
08:18 <philippeqc> then when this obj goes out of scope, count_ref wont be 0
08:19 <philippeqc> yes
08:20 * Lucifer_arma gives a link where philippeqc says ref-counting is a limitation :)
08:21 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I said ref counting is a memory model. Beside that, I was debating on the general structure, and to allow game obj to exist without having a physical presence.
08:24 <philippeqc> wrt, the header for Set(BasePtr BasePtr BasePtr) was there, but no implementation.
08:24 <philippeqc> so you DID plan it. Good work
08:25 <wrtlprnft> gah, sorry, must have forgotten about it
08:25 <wrtlprnft> but it's the same implementation as Set(Base*, Base*, Base*)
08:26 <philippeqc> yes
08:26 <wrtlprnft> if you're adventurous make it a template :P
08:26 <wrtlprnft> #google spell adventurous
08:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
08:26 <wrtlprnft> #google spell adventourous
08:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: adventurous
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> #spell adventurous
08:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command spell is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before spell.
08:26 <wrtlprnft> woot i was right
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> #Unix spell adventurous
08:27 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I'll start by making all the changes work together. That will be fun enough
08:27 <wrtlprnft> O_O
08:27 <philippeqc> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
08:27 <philippeqc> 0x00000000004a9392 in boost::checked_delete<tValue::Base> (x=0xdb8f40) at /usr/include/boost/checked_delete.hpp:34
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> #echo hi
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> why isn't armabot responding?
08:27 <philippeqc> hurray, I've made boost reach an error
08:28 * philippeqc misses java's stack trace
08:28 <wrtlprnft> bt?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> in gdb
08:28 <philippeqc> Hurray!
08:29 <wrtlprnft> #u
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think I broke armabot
08:30 <wrtlprnft> broke her heart?
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, broke her internally
08:30 <philippeqc> heart are internal
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> armabot wears her heart out on her sleeve...
08:30 <philippeqc> Oooo ushhhh, lucifer! I though you where married!!!!!!
08:30 * wrtlprnft watches Lucifer_arma kissing armabot who's lying on the floor dead
08:30 <wrtlprnft> *kiss
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> ? I'll just wait for the emerge world to finish then fix her :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> can someone try to remember to add armabot to the ai file for 0.3.1?
08:32 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:32 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what would you say if I was planning to REMOVE all the constructor working with Base*, and only have some that work with BasePtr?
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:33 <wrtlprnft> if you update all code ;)
08:33 <philippeqc> ok, other than the elbow grease, would that be a bad idea?
08:33 <wrtlprnft> no
08:33 <wrtlprnft> it wouldn't
08:33 <philippeqc> I'll hold you to that.
08:34 <philippeqc> ;)
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(0)
08:36 <wrtlprnft> 1
08:36 <wrtlprnft> no
08:36 <wrtlprnft> error
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> no
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I always get confused :)
08:36 <wrtlprnft> out of domain
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> ln(1) = 0, but ln(0) doesn't exist
08:36 <wrtlprnft> ln(e) == 1 :P
08:37 * wrtlprnft wonders what ln_1(1) is
08:37 <wrtlprnft> hmm
08:38 <wrtlprnft> *log_1(1)
08:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm that would be ln(1)/ln(1) = 0/0 = undefined
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> ln(e) = 1, right?
08:41 <philippeqc> I played!!!! I played!!!!!
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> played?
08:41 <philippeqc> aa with my new code! ie: I didnt totally break everything
08:41 <philippeqc> I made a round
08:42 <wrtlprnft> woot
08:42 <wrtlprnft> and then it broke?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> ln(a)/ln(b) = ln(a-b) right?
08:43 <wrtlprnft> it's log_b(a)
08:43 <wrtlprnft> log to the base of b of a
08:44 <philippeqc> nope, then I ended the round and left the game so I could brag about it and not really expose myself to finding new bugs
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's always good to do right before a commit :)
08:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ln(a)-ln(b) = ln(a/b)
08:44 <wrtlprnft> not the other way :P
08:44 <philippeqc> Not ready to commit ;)
08:45 <philippeqc> But I'll take your advice ;)
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I'm trying to solve this:
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> 2ln4 + 2lnx = x^2 * ln2
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I need x :)
08:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think I might have missed something kinda fundamental early on
08:47 <wrtlprnft> 2(ln(4x)) = ln(2^(x^2))
08:47 <wrtlprnft> no clue if that helps at all
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> here's what it started as:
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> 0 = ( 4x^2 / e^x^2 ) - ( 2 / e^x^2 )
08:50 <wrtlprnft> it only contains x^2, right?
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> I think I can just get rid of the denominator, it can never equal 0
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but the bottom is e to the x-squared
08:50 <wrtlprnft> is it (e^x)^2 or e^(x^2)?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> and here it never will equal 0, so I can just set the numerator equal to 0 by itself
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> e^(x^2)
08:51 <wrtlprnft> then just define some other variable w to x^2 :P
08:52 <wrtlprnft> 0 = (4w / e^w) - (2 / e^w)
08:52 <wrtlprnft> then:
08:52 <wrtlprnft> 0 = (4w - 2)/(e^w)
08:52 <wrtlprnft> so 0 = 4w - 2
08:53 <wrtlprnft> 2 = 4w
08:53 <wrtlprnft> 1 = 2w
08:53 <wrtlprnft> .5 = w
08:53 <wrtlprnft> x^2 = x^2
08:53 <wrtlprnft> err
08:53 <wrtlprnft> x^2 = .5
08:53 <wrtlprnft> x = +-sqrt(.5)
08:54 <wrtlprnft> or did i get something wrong?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, you did throw away the denominator
08:54 <wrtlprnft> no
08:54 <wrtlprnft> i multiplied by it
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> which I was about to do myself without the substitution :)
08:54 <wrtlprnft> 0 = (4w - 2)/(e^w)
08:55 <wrtlprnft> 0*(e^w) = (4w - 2)/(e^w)*(e^w)
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> you can call it multiplication, it's still throwing it away since you multiply it by 0 to get rid of it
08:55 <wrtlprnft> 0 = 4w - 2
08:55 <wrtlprnft> no
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> the question is, can I do that? Normally you can't
08:55 <wrtlprnft> e^w can never be 0
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> but it looks like it's ok here since it can never be 0
08:56 <wrtlprnft> if it is the whole thing is undefined
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> right. So if it wasn't an exponential function down there, you'd have to solve the denominator for 0 to find out where it's undefined,
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> then solve the equation
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> then throw out the intersection of the two solutions
08:57 <philippeqc> (a -b) = 0 == (a-b)/c = 0/c
08:57 <wrtlprnft> e^w will never be 0
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> right, denominator's an exponential function, so I think you're right and we can do that :)
08:57 <wrtlprnft> ln(0) is undefined :P
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> solving the numerator without the substitution gives the same answer as with, and it's trivial to boot :)
08:58 <wrtlprnft> you could have done it without substitution, but i the question looked harder than it was, so i substituted :P
08:58 <wrtlprnft> s/but i/but
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I only need the one that's in the interval [0,2] :)
08:59 <wrtlprnft> that throws out the negtive
09:00 <wrtlprnft> so x = 1/sqrt(2)
09:00 <wrtlprnft> x = sqrt(2)/2
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> 8/1200? :)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> 1/150
09:01 * Lucifer_arma wants armabot to work again
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09:01 <wrtlprnft> #g 1
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> now, if I approximate the maximum error, can I trust it? heh
09:01 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:01 <wrtlprnft> #g 8/1200
09:01 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: 8 / 1,200 = 0.00666666667
09:03 <philippeqc> #g sqrt(2)/2
09:03 <armabot`> philippeqc: sqrt(2) / 2 = 0.707106781
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> sqrt(2)/2 = sin(pi/4)
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> sqrt(2)/2 = sin(pi/4) = cos(pi/4)
09:04 <philippeqc> express that in arctan and your teacher will LOVE ya!
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> arctan( sqrt(2)/2) )
09:05 <philippeqc> #g arctan( sqrt(2)/2) )
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> irrational Angle arctan( irrational Ratio );
09:05 <armabot`> philippeqc: arctan(sqrt(2) / 2) = 0.615479709
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think that at this point, eating a good breakfast is better preparation for my test than more studying
09:06 <philippeqc> yes
09:06 * Lucifer_arma wonders what his teacher would do if he threw out c-style function declarations for the functions we use
09:07 <wrtlprnft> hehe
09:07 <wrtlprnft> go bother him with virtual functions!
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> irrational Angle arctan( irrational Ratio ) = 0; :)
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> virtual irrational Angle arctan( irrational Ratio ) = 0; :)
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> he'd probably get mad at me if I made everything virtual so I could provide my own definition.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> not too mad at me, as he writes a big F on the top of my test
09:11 <wrtlprnft> f for fantastic? ;)
09:12 <guru3> buahahahahahaha
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09:17 <wrtlprnft> fo for friggin' awesome?
09:17 <guru3> fo for?
09:17 <wrtlprnft> *f for friggin' awesome?
09:17 <guru3> ^^
09:20 <philippeqc> Set(BasePtr &val, BasePtr &min, BasePtr &max);
09:20 <philippeqc> how do I make it accept defautl parameters?
09:21 <wrtlprnft> probably not at all
09:21 <wrtlprnft> just make another Set(BasePtr &val)
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> F for Fucking Idiot?
09:21 <philippeqc> o yeah! the EASY way! (I think I need a break)
09:22 <wrtlprnft> :P
09:22 <wrtlprnft> F for Finally something creative?
09:23 <guru3> i agree with Lucifer_arma's assessment
09:28 <philippeqc> it did run for a few round without crashig
09:29 <philippeqc> time to see the day star
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> fried potatoes, fried eggs (chinese style), and toast
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> is there any better breakfast than that?
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> too bad I don't have a good sausage gravy to go with it
10:12 <SuPeRTaRD> how do the chinkers prepare thier eggs?
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11:02 <Lucifer_arma> with soy sauce
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically eggs over-easy with a some sauce sauce dropped on before flipping
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11:51 <philippeqc> back
12:06 <philippeqc> FYI: Committed revision 4940. No new behavior activated.
12:26 <philippeqc> joda_bot: Suddenly, unexpectedly, I've actually managed to fix that side thing that zones needed. And now, I find myself in great need of a peice of code that would associate map descriptors to in-game players. How is it going for your team forming code?
12:40 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I've been ill and thus am not yet finished with my thesis, but I'll try to make some time for it ...
12:40 <philippeqc> o, sorry, I didnt know
12:41 <philippeqc> Thesis first, aa after
12:41 <joda_bot> philippeqc: map descriptors are they "spawn id's" // which zone belong to which spawn ?
12:41 <philippeqc> yes, that was the idea
12:41 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess the easiest part is to agree on a interface and just add a dummy implementation to it
12:42 <philippeqc> ok, it just been a while I've thought of these details. But did you have any objection to that document I've written (dont recall wich one)
12:43 <philippeqc> about player's id and team id
12:44 <philippeqc> Spawn document
12:45 <philippeqc> it was teamId and personId in the map
12:45 <joda_bot> Most problems will surface once I look at it for design and implementation... I haven't looked at it for some time, so I can't remember
12:45 <joda_bot> I can't remember any objections now
12:46 <philippeqc> I have my nose in it now to remember it ;)
12:46 <philippeqc> and _I_ wrote that thing
12:46 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I'll have a look later and perhaps provide that dummy interface for you
12:46 <philippeqc> ok
12:46 <joda_bot> this would also be my first step or design
12:47 <philippeqc> :)
12:57 * McSpiddles tackles joda
13:28 <Vanhayes> #barf McSpiddles
13:28 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: "barf" is not a valid command.
13:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
13:28 <Vanhayes> ack! why is there 2 armabots?
13:29 <philippeqc> One for him and one for her.
13:29 <Vanhayes> lol
13:29 <Vanhayes> which one is the real armabot?
13:29 <wrtlprnft> uh
13:29 <wrtlprnft> the armabot one is the real one, but it doesn't work
13:30 <wrtlprnft> so i put in a temporary armabot`
13:30 <Vanhayes> what can it do?
13:30 <Vanhayes> #list
13:30 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Google, Misc, Owner, Unix, and User
13:30 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
13:30 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
13:30 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: "There is no escape--we pay for the violence of our ancestors. " -- from "The Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan
13:30 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
13:30 <Vanhayes> #list alias
13:30 <armabot`> Vanhayes: add, g, lock, remove, and unlock
13:31 <wrtlprnft> feel free to add the ones you absolutely need
13:31 <Vanhayes> #help unlock
13:31 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (unlock <alias>) -- Unlocks an alias so that people can define new aliases over it.
13:31 <Vanhayes> what about the ones that you use just for the hell of it?
13:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:32 <wrtlprnft> #load games
13:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "games" exists.
13:32 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do you have a plan when you will do the function parser?
13:33 <wrtlprnft> probably on my flight home
13:33 <wrtlprnft> not right now, im sick
13:33 <philippeqc> o yeah, you are coming back home soon. When is that.
13:33 <Vanhayes> are you still in canada?
13:33 <philippeqc> why do people think I mean NOW when I ask stuff ?
13:33 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:34 <wrtlprnft> 30th of july
13:34 <wrtlprnft> *june
13:34 <philippeqc> nice
13:34 <philippeqc> how many years of uni left?
13:34 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue?
13:34 <wrtlprnft> first of all 2 years of school
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13:34 <wrtlprnft> then I'll see
13:35 <philippeqc> ok
13:36 <Vanhayes> hmm what is the difference between the new alpha and the old one?
13:36 <philippeqc> some critical bug fixes. So if you want to help, grab the latest
13:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: look at the NEWS file ;)
13:37 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/66893
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13:38 <Vanhayes> ahaha nice with the new tab completion i will have to do even less
13:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:39 <wrtlprnft> thank pavelo for that
13:46 <Vanhayes> what does "- Disabled web server in playback mode" mean?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> nothing for the client
13:47 <Vanhayes> ok
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14:22 <philippeqc> good night
14:22 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Leaving"]
14:35 <Vanhayes> Should the new Mer cam show up in the camera setup, for initial cam? or is there even a mercam anymore?
14:35 <wrtlprnft> there is a mercam
14:35 <wrtlprnft> but i think it's not in a menu yet
14:36 <Vanhayes> it isnt
14:36 <wrtlprnft> you can either cycle through with the camera key or use the console
14:36 <McSpiddles> gah
14:36 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:36 <McSpiddles> i always miss tournys :/
14:36 <Vanhayes> what tourney?
14:37 <McSpiddles> mbc has a open tourny in 30 minutes
14:37 * McSpiddles wanted to pwn people @_@
14:55 <Vanhayes> #list
14:55 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Google, Misc, Owner, Unix, and User
14:55 <Vanhayes> #list alias
14:55 <armabot`> Vanhayes: add, g, lock, remove, and unlock
14:55 <Vanhayes> #q
14:55 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: "q" is not a valid command.
14:55 <Vanhayes> #fortune
14:55 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Don't smoke the next cigarette. Repeat.
14:55 <Vanhayes> #fortune
14:55 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Honk if you are against noise pollution!
14:57 <Vanhayes> #dict slid
14:57 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: "dict" is not a valid command.
14:57 <Vanhayes> bah
15:08 <wrtlprnft> #load dict
15:08 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:08 <wrtlprnft> #load cyborg
15:08 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "cyborg" exists.
15:08 <wrtlprnft> #list owner
15:08 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
15:09 <Vanhayes> #dict slid
15:09 <armabot`> Vanhayes: wn and gcide responded: wn: slid See {slide}; gcide: Slid \Slid\, imp. & p. p. of {Slide}. [1913 Webster]; wn: slide n 1: a small flat rectangular piece of glass on which specimens can be mounted for microscopic study [syn: {microscope slide}] 2: (geology) the descent of a large mass of earth or rocks or snow etc. 3: (music) rapid sliding up or down the musical scale; "the (7 more messages)
15:11 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, should the font_size factor effect your cockpit text?
15:13 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:13 <wrtlprnft> it's temporary anywars
15:13 <Vanhayes> anyway to just have it make the non cockpit text smaller?
15:13 <Vanhayes> why onlt temp?
15:13 <wrtlprnft> I'm planning on a font resource format, then you could specify different fonts and sizes for the menu etc
15:13 <Vanhayes> only*
15:13 <Vanhayes> ok
15:14 <wrtlprnft> you can modify your cockpit to give you a bigger font
15:14 <wrtlprnft> then set font_size_factor to something smaller
15:14 <wrtlprnft> so they cancel
15:14 <Vanhayes> ya but then I would have to do alot more work, anyway I was just wondering
15:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm?
15:16 <wrtlprnft> the default cockpit has the size defined in one spot
15:16 <Vanhayes> O so I wouldnt have to change it for everything?
15:16 <wrtlprnft> no
15:16 <Vanhayes> ok
15:16 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm
15:16 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do it for the default file :(
15:17 <wrtlprnft> just for mine
15:18 <Vanhayes> thats what I thought, because there is size height/width here
15:22 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
15:22 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.
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15:22 <wrtlprnft> #load last
15:22 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "last" exists.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #load
15:23 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (load [--deprecated] <plugin>) -- Loads the plugin <plugin> from any of the directories in conf.supybot.directories.plugins; usually this includes the main installed directory and 'plugins' in the current directory. --deprecated is necessary if you wish to load deprecated plugins.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #load later
15:23 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #load late
15:23 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "late" exists.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #load seen
15:23 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:23 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
15:23 <armabot`> Vanhayes: I have not seen ghableska.
15:23 <Vanhayes> um
15:23 <Vanhayes> #seen spidey
15:23 <armabot`> Vanhayes: I have not seen spidey.
15:23 <Vanhayes> o wait
15:23 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508721CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
15:23 <Vanhayes> this is new armabot
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15:26 <Vanhayes> #add alias fluffy echo "An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball.
15:26 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: No closing quotation
15:26 <Vanhayes> #add alias fluffy echo "An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball."
15:26 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: Names cannot coincide with names of plugins.
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15:26 <wrtlprnft> #alias add fluffy echo "An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball."
15:26 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:26 <wrtlprnft> #load rss
15:26 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:26 <Vanhayes> heh had it turned around
15:27 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:27 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: "echo" is not a valid command.
15:27 <spidey> ahahha
15:27 <spidey> #echo
15:27 <armabot`> spidey: Error: "echo" is not a valid command.
15:27 <spidey> pwn
15:27 <wrtlprnft> #load tools
15:27 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "tools" exists.
15:27 <wrtlprnft> #load misc
15:27 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: Misc is already loaded.
15:28 <spidey> Utilities
15:28 <spidey> :p
15:28 <wrtlprnft> #load utilities
15:28 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:28 <spidey> #echo
15:28 <armabot`> spidey: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
15:28 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
15:28 <spidey> pwn
15:28 <armabot`> An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball.
15:28 <Vanhayes> lol
15:28 <wrtlprnft> #list
15:28 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Dict, Google, Later, Misc, Owner, RSS, Seen, Unix, User, and Utilities
15:28 <Vanhayes> #list alias
15:28 <armabot`> Vanhayes: add, fluffy, g, lock, remove, and unlock
15:28 <spidey> then who's armabot?
15:28 <spidey> !echo
15:28 <wrtlprnft> that's Lucifer_arma's broken one
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15:29 <wrtlprnft> armabot: test
15:29 * spidey slaps the other bot
15:29 <wrtlprnft> armabot: echo hi
15:29 <spidey> mmm
15:29 <spidey> armabot echo hi
15:29 <spidey> @_@
15:29 <Vanhayes> armabot`: fluffy
15:29 <armabot`> An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball.
15:29 <Vanhayes> lol
15:29 <wrtlprnft> #load toys
15:29 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "toys" exists.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #load games
15:30 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "games" exists.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #load game
15:30 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "game" exists.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> gagagagahhh
15:30 <spidey> lol
15:30 <spidey> is that one lucis to?
15:30 <wrtlprnft> #config conf.supybot.directories.plugins
15:30 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins
15:30 <wrtlprnft> that one
15:31 <wrtlprnft> 's mine
15:31 <spidey> did you download the other plugins?
15:31 <Vanhayes> #list
15:31 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Dict, Google, Later, Misc, Owner, RSS, Seen, Unix, User, and Utilities
15:31 <Vanhayes> #fortune
15:31 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Put a rogue in the limelight and he will act like an honest man. -- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims"
15:31 <Vanhayes> how come fortune isnt listed?
15:31 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
15:31 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
15:31 <Vanhayes> i see
15:32 <spidey> #fortune
15:32 <armabot`> spidey: Oatmeal raisin.
15:32 <spidey> #fortune
15:32 <armabot`> spidey: What's good for Standard Oil is good for Microsoft.
15:32 <spidey> O_o
15:32 <wrtlprnft> #load dunno
15:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:32 <Vanhayes> # spell spidy
15:32 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: The command spell is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before spell.
15:32 <wrtlprnft> #list dunno
15:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: add, change, get, remove, search, and stats
15:32 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:32 <wrtlprnft> #dunno stats
15:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: There are 0 dunnos in my database.
15:32 <Vanhayes> #google spell spidy
15:32 <spidey> #Unix spell spidy
15:32 <wrtlprnft> #dunno add wtf
15:32 <armabot`> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
15:32 <armabot`> spidey: Possible spellings for "spidy": spiet, Spind, SPD, spie, Spin, seid, City, spiest, Spiel, Spie�, Sprit, speit, spien, spitz, Seide, Spike, Spins, Spion, S�d, Splitt, spielt, spie�t, spinnt, spitzt, sp�lt, sp�rt, Spindel, Spinden, Spott, seit, siede, and sp�t.
15:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded. Dunno #1 added.
15:32 <wrtlprnft> #dunno
15:32 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (dunno <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Dunno plugin. Use 'list Dunno' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Dunno' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
15:32 <Vanhayes> #dunno test
15:32 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: test is not a valid command in this plugin.
15:33 <spidey> #dunno wtf
15:33 <armabot`> spidey: Error: wtf is not a valid command in this plugin.
15:33 <wrtlprnft> no clue what that's for
15:33 <spidey> lol
15:33 <Vanhayes> #wtf is wtf
15:33 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
15:33 <spidey> #list dunno
15:33 <armabot`> spidey: add, change, get, remove, search, and stats
15:33 <Vanhayes> #wtf is spidey
15:33 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
15:33 <luke-jr_> #echo hi
15:33 <armabot`> hi
15:33 <wrtlprnft> #load math
15:33 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:33 <luke-jr_> #load wtf
15:33 <armabot`> luke-jr_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
15:33 <luke-jr_> #whoami
15:33 <armabot`> luke-jr_: I don't recognize you.
15:33 <luke-jr_> loser
15:33 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command
15:33 <armabot`> wrtlprnft:
15:33 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command wtf
15:33 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:33 <Vanhayes> #help wtf
15:33 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
15:33 <wrtlprnft> #wtf rtfm
15:33 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
15:33 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:33 <spidey> o_O
15:34 <luke-jr_> ...
15:34 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command /usr/bin/wtf
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> #wtf rtfm
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
15:34 <wrtlprnft> yay
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> no
15:34 <wrtlprnft> gah
15:34 <Vanhayes> lol
15:34 <luke-jr_> #wtf is wrtlprnft
15:34 <armabot`> luke-jr_: wrtlprnft: nothing appropriate
15:34 <armabot`> luke-jr_: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> #load insult
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> #load http
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:34 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
15:34 <armabot`> spidey - You are nothing but a headless bucket of tasteless dog balls.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> #list http
15:34 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: acronym, cyborg, doctype, extension, freshmeat, headers, kernel, netcraft, pgpkey, size, stockquote, title, and zipinfo
15:35 <Vanhayes> ahahahaha
15:35 <wrtlprnft> #load praise
15:35 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:35 <Vanhayes> #stockqoute
15:35 <armabot`> Vanhayes: wtf
15:35 <Vanhayes> heh
15:35 <Vanhayes> #stockqoute
15:35 <armabot`> Vanhayes: wtf
15:35 <Vanhayes> damn
15:35 <wrtlprnft> #load time
15:35 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:35 <wrtlprnft> #list time
15:35 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
15:35 <wrtlprnft> #at
15:35 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (at <time string>) -- Returns the number of seconds since epoch <time string> is. <time string> can be any number of natural formats; just try something and see if it will work.
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #load note
15:36 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:36 <Vanhayes> #at 1:00
15:36 <armabot`> Vanhayes: 1150610400
15:36 <Vanhayes> huh?
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #load nickometer
15:36 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:36 <wrtlprnft> unix epoch :)
15:36 <spidey> o_O
15:36 <Vanhayes> I see..
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #load fun
15:36 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:36 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #list fun
15:36 <armabot`> spidey - You are nothing but a warped thimbleful of low-quality cold sores.
15:36 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: chr, coin, decode, dice, eightball, encode, hexip, levenshtein, md5, mimetype, monologue, objects, ord, ping, roulette, sha, soundex, urlquote, urlunquote, and xor
15:36 <wrtlprnft> aaah newer version
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #help xor
15:36 <Vanhayes> #nickometer
15:36 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (xor <password> <text>) -- Returns <text> XOR-encrypted with <password>. See http://www.yoe.org/developer/xor.html for information about XOR encryption.
15:36 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Vanhayes" is 0.0%.
15:37 <wrtlprnft> #help md5
15:37 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (md5 <text>) -- Returns the md5 hash of a given string. Read http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/faq/3-6-6.html for more information about md5.
15:37 <wrtlprnft> #chr p
15:37 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: 'p' is not a valid integer.
15:37 <wrtlprnft> #chr 1234
15:37 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: That number doesn't map to an 8-bit character.
15:37 <Vanhayes> #nickometer spidey
15:37 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "spidey" is 0.0%.
15:37 <wrtlprnft> #chr 128
15:37 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: �
15:37 <Vanhayes> hmm
15:37 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer armabot`
15:37 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "armabot`" is 14.4%.
15:38 <Vanhayes> #nickometer wrtlprnft
15:38 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "wrtlprnft" is 0.0%.
15:38 <spidey> #nickometer Vanhayes
15:38 <armabot`> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Vanhayes" is 0.0%.
15:38 -!- dArkPL [n=ddd@lan.mcon.pl] has joined #armagetron
15:38 <Vanhayes> how does it change?
15:38 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer SuPeRTaRD
15:38 <Vanhayes> #help nickometer
15:38 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "SuPeRTaRD" is 99.8%.
15:38 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (nickometer [<nick>]) -- Tells you how lame said nick is. If <nick> is not given, uses the nick of the person giving the command.
15:38 <dArkPL> sup yall
15:38 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer dArkPL
15:38 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "dArkPL" is 95.4%.
15:38 <Vanhayes> heh
15:38 <dArkPL> wtf?
15:38 <dArkPL> what is this XD
15:38 <Vanhayes> #wtf is wtf
15:38 <armabot`> Vanhayes: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
15:38 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:38 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is htf
15:38 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: htf: nothing appropriate
15:38 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:39 <wrtlprnft> no how the fuck?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> #load poll
15:39 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:39 <Vanhayes> #wtf is echo
15:39 <armabot`> Vanhayes: echo (1) - display a line of text
15:39 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:39 <wrtlprnft> i AM your admin!
15:39 <Vanhayes> #wtf is fluffy
15:39 <armabot`> Vanhayes: fluffy: nothing appropriate
15:39 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:39 <spidey> #wtf is Vanhayes
15:39 <armabot`> spidey: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
15:39 <armabot`> spidey: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
15:39 <wrtlprnft> #load fundb
15:39 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: Fundb is deprecated. Use --deprecated to force it to load.
15:39 <Vanhayes> hello dArkPL btw
15:39 <wrtlprnft> #load fundb --deprecated
15:39 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: (load [--deprecated] <plugin>) -- Loads the plugin <plugin> from any of the directories in conf.supybot.directories.plugins; usually this includes the main installed directory and 'plugins' in the current directory. --deprecated is necessary if you wish to load deprecated plugins.
15:39 <dArkPL> whats going on ppl
15:39 <wrtlprnft> #load --deprecated fundb
15:40 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:40 <Vanhayes> its a bot
15:40 <dArkPL> ic that :P
15:40 <wrtlprnft> #list fundb
15:40 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: add, change, get, info, insult, lart, praise, remove, search, and stats
15:40 <Vanhayes> lol just testing it, the old one is broke
15:40 <wrtlprnft> #unload fundb
15:40 <Vanhayes> #lart
15:40 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (lart [<channel>] [<id>] <text> [for <reason>]) -- Uses a lart on <text> (giving the reason, if offered). Will use lart number <id> from the database when <id> is given. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:40 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:40 <dArkPL> what is it meant to do?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
15:40 <Vanhayes> #insult dArkPL
15:40 <armabot`> dArkPL - You are nothing but a pribbling quart of yeasty gunk.
15:40 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: 1 + 2 = 3
15:40 <wrtlprnft> useful things like that
15:40 <dArkPL> XD
15:41 <dArkPL> what kind of bot is it?
15:41 <Vanhayes> arma
15:41 <wrtlprnft> #version
15:41 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
15:41 <dArkPL> aaah
15:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:41 <Vanhayes> old bot
15:41 <Vanhayes> when did u get it?
15:41 <dArkPL> wasnt playin with that
15:41 <Vanhayes> #list insult
15:41 <armabot`> Vanhayes: insult
15:41 <wrtlprnft> it's the one gentoo considers stable
15:42 <Vanhayes> huh?
15:42 <wrtlprnft> insult only has one command
15:42 <Vanhayes> ok
15:42 <dArkPL> #insult Vanhayes
15:42 <armabot`> Vanhayes - You are nothing but a culturally-unsound puddle of boil-brained pods.
15:42 <dArkPL> XD
15:42 <Vanhayes> lol
15:42 <Vanhayes> did old armabot have insult?
15:43 <wrtlprnft> it was disabled
15:43 <Vanhayes> heh I wonder why...
15:43 <dArkPL> Arrr! Avast ye mateys! Feast your spyglass on these britches, for there's booty to be scuttled! Arrr
15:44 <dArkPL> i love pirates XD
15:44 <spidey> ?lol
15:44 <wrtlprnft> #quit
15:44 -!- armabot` [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
15:45 <dArkPL> he listen to everybodys commands?
15:45 <Vanhayes> for most things I think
15:45 <wrtlprnft> it's a she!
15:45 <dArkPL> she?
15:45 <dArkPL> why she?
15:46 <Vanhayes> most machines are
15:46 <wrtlprnft> grr
15:46 -!- armabot` [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
15:46 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:46 <wrtlprnft> #version
15:46 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
15:46 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:46 <wrtlprnft> #list
15:46 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Dict, Google, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Praise, RSS, Seen, Time, Unix, User, and Utilities
15:46 <wrtlprnft> #load string
15:46 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
15:46 <dArkPL> she is using owner list like eggdrop|?
15:46 <Vanhayes> #alias add hello echo "Hello who$*"
15:46 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
15:46 <dArkPL> #whoami
15:46 <Vanhayes> #hello
15:46 <armabot`> dArkPL: I don't recognize you.
15:46 <armabot`> Hello who
15:46 <wrtlprnft> #load string
15:47 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
15:47 <Vanhayes> damn
15:47 <dArkPL> a lot of mess
15:47 <wrtlprnft> #load string
15:47 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "string" exists.
15:47 <Vanhayes> #alias remove hello
15:47 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
15:47 <Vanhayes> #alias add hello echo "Hello who $*"
15:47 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
15:47 <Vanhayes> #hello
15:47 <armabot`> Hello who
15:47 <wrtlprnft> #load internet
15:47 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "internet" exists.
15:47 <Vanhayes> damnit
15:47 <wrtlprnft> wtf
15:47 <dArkPL> #load wtf
15:47 <armabot`> dArkPL: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
15:47 <Vanhayes> #alias remove hello
15:47 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
15:48 <dArkPL> #auth
15:48 <armabot`> dArkPL: Error: "auth" is not a valid command.
15:48 <wrtlprnft> #wtf wtf
15:48 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
15:48 <Vanhayes> how can i get it to say the person who used it's name?
15:48 <dArkPL> o_O
15:48 <wrtlprnft> #echo $who
15:48 <armabot`> wrtlprnft
15:48 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg dArkPL
15:48 <Vanhayes> damn had $ on the wrong side
15:48 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: "cyborg" is not a valid command.
15:49 <wrtlprnft> #load cyborg
15:49 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "cyborg" exists.
15:49 <Vanhayes> #alias add hello echo "Hello $who"
15:49 <armabot`> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
15:49 <wrtlprnft> #load Internet
15:49 <Vanhayes> #hello
15:49 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:49 <armabot`> Hello Vanhayes
15:49 <Vanhayes> there we go
15:49 <wrtlprnft> #list internet
15:49 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: dns, hexip, and whois
15:49 <wrtlprnft> #load String
15:49 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:49 <wrtlprnft> #list String
15:49 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: chr, decode, encode, len, levenshtein, md5, ord, re, sha, soundex, and xor
15:49 <Vanhayes> #whois Vanhayes
15:49 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: <domain> must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org.
15:49 <Vanhayes> #whois armagetronad.net
15:50 <wrtlprnft> #loaf MoobotFactoids
15:50 <armabot`> Vanhayes: armagetronad.net is registrar-lock, registered 12-jun-2005, updated 07-jun-2006, and expires 12-jun-2007.
15:50 <Vanhayes> um
15:50 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: "loaf" is not a valid command.
15:50 <wrtlprnft> #load MoobotFactoids
15:50 <dArkPL> #whois mcon.pl
15:50 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:50 <armabot`> dArkPL: mcon.pl is unknown.
15:50 <dArkPL> huh?
15:50 <wrtlprnft> #load Games
15:50 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:50 <dArkPL> unknown?
15:50 <wrtlprnft> #list ganes
15:50 <Vanhayes> #list games
15:50 <wrtlprnft> #list games
15:50 <dArkPL> does it have games?
15:50 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: 'ganes' is not a valid plugin.
15:50 <armabot`> Vanhayes: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
15:50 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
15:50 <dArkPL> lets play sumthin
15:50 <Vanhayes> #monologue d
15:50 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:51 <Vanhayes> #help monologue
15:51 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:51 <Vanhayes> #monologue
15:51 <wrtlprnft> #load Web
15:51 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long.
15:51 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:51 <wrtlprnft> #list web
15:51 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
15:51 <Vanhayes> #monologue spidey
15:51 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:51 <wrtlprnft> #doctype wrtlprnft.de
15:51 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: 'wrtlprnft.de' is not a valid http url.
15:51 <wrtlprnft> #doctype http://wrtlprnft.de/
15:51 <Vanhayes> damn cant see other ppls
15:51 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
15:52 <Vanhayes> #roulette spidey
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #load Protector
15:52 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
15:52 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #list protector
15:52 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.Protector" to see what configuration variables it has.
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #config list supybot.plugins.Protector
15:52 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: #enable, #immune, and public
15:52 <Vanhayes> #dice
15:52 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
15:52 <Vanhayes> #dice 2d6
15:52 <armabot`> Vanhayes: 2 and 1
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #load Network
15:52 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:52 <Vanhayes> #dice 10d10
15:53 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
15:53 <wrtlprnft> #list network
15:53 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois
15:53 <Vanhayes> #dice 6d10
15:53 <armabot`> Vanhayes: 1, 10, 5, 9, 10, and 5
15:53 <wrtlprnft> another whois?
15:53 <Vanhayes> #help whois
15:53 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Error: That command exists in the Internet and Network plugins. Please specify exactly which plugin command you want help with.
15:53 -!- dArkPL is now known as dArkPL|away
15:53 <Vanhayes> #help network whois
15:53 <armabot`> Vanhayes: (network whois [<network>] <nick>) -- Returns the WHOIS response <network> gives for <nick>. <network> is only necessary if the network is different than the network the command is sent on.
15:53 <Vanhayes> #network whois Vanhayes
15:53 <armabot`> Vanhayes: Vanhayes (n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net) has been identified on server irc.freenode.net since 11:47 AM, June 18, 2006 (idle for 0 seconds) and is on #armagetron.
15:53 <wrtlprnft> #load Factoids
15:53 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin. Download it at <http://pysqlite.sf.net/>
15:53 <Vanhayes> #network whois spidey
15:54 <armabot`> Vanhayes: spider (n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) has been on server irc.freenode.net since 03:24 PM, June 18, 2006 (idle for 9 minutes and 57 seconds) and is on #armagetron.
15:54 -!- dArkPL|away [n=ddd@lan.mcon.pl] has quit ["cya soon"]
15:58 <luke-jr_> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135154
15:58 -!- Nazurath [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
15:59 <Nazurath> ack
15:59 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
15:59 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
15:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:59 <Vanhayes> my connection dropped for like 10 seconds
15:59 <wrtlprnft> no
15:59 <Vanhayes> ?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> #last --from luke-jr_
15:59 <armabot`> wrtlprnft: [15:58:02] <luke-jr_> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135154
16:00 <wrtlprnft> why bother with 0.7.1?
16:00 <spidey> hahah
16:00 <wrtlprnft> ask for arma to be removed completely since it's an old version
16:02 <Vanhayes> hmm how do you make a vertical bar guage?
16:02 <wrtlprnft> replace <BarGauge> by <VerticalBarGauge
16:02 <wrtlprnft> >
16:03 <Vanhayes> thx
16:05 <Vanhayes> omg
16:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
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16:24 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
16:25 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
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16:26 <Lucifer_arma> #fortune
16:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command fortune is available in the Alias and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before fortune.
16:26 <armabot`> Lucifer_arma: Everyone writes on the walls except me. -Said to be graffiti seen in Pompeii
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> haha
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> #Alias fortune
16:27 <armabot`> Lucifer_arma: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "fortune" in it. Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
16:27 <armabot> Random Fortune: Feel free to contact me (flames about my english and the useless of this || driver will be redirected to /dev/null, oh no, it's full...). || (Michael Beck, describing the PC-speaker sound device)
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> emerge: 29 of 319
16:28 <Vanhayes> i see the old armabot is back
16:29 -!- Nazurath [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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16:30 <Nazurath> I hate my connection
16:30 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
16:32 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508721CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
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16:32 <Nazurath> I really hate my connection
16:32 -!- Nazurath is now known as Vanhayes
16:40 <wrtlprnft> #quit
16:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:40 -!- armabot` [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> still on package 29
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's xorg
17:07 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508721CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
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17:28 <spidey> #poke Lucifer_arma
17:28 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> are you Infamous?
17:29 <Vanhayes> #list alias
17:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> that one aalias is getting longer wit every restart...
17:29 <wrtlprnft> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
17:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: []
17:29 <Vanhayes> what does it do?
17:30 <Vanhayes> er
17:30 <wrtlprnft> help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
17:30 <wrtlprnft> #help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
17:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\: <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<>>
17:30 <wrtlprnft> p_P
17:30 <wrtlprnft> *O_o
17:30 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma= kubuntu snob?
17:31 <Vanhayes> lol
17:31 <Vanhayes> spidey cant be infamous unledd he moved to germany btw
17:31 <Vanhayes> unless*
17:31 <spidey> huh?
17:33 <Vanhayes> In bugfarm
17:33 <spidey> if i moved to germany
17:33 <spidey> i'd pwn bf big time :p
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, I didn't check ping
17:34 <Vanhayes> but isnt that what all north americans say?
17:35 <spidey> :/
17:36 <spidey> i was using a fake name again today
17:36 <spidey> i didn't talk or nothing
17:36 <spidey> xevi figured out it was me
17:36 <spidey> :\
17:36 <Vanhayes> did u change colours?
17:37 <spidey> yea
17:37 <Vanhayes> was your name apt something or other?
17:37 <spidey> no
17:37 <Mkbkd> u chanhe u stile ?)
17:37 <spidey> it was BlAzE
17:42 * Lucifer_arma pwns fortress with his american ping
17:42 <Lucifer_arma> :)
17:42 <spidey> so do i,on no laggy days :p
17:42 <Lucifer_arma> I've never developed the habit of thinking that if my ping was better, I'd kick ass
17:43 <spidey> lol
17:43 <spidey> or if everyones ping was higher you would too ?
17:43 <spidey> :p
17:43 <Vanhayes> but think what u could do with a 50 ping
17:43 <spidey> indeed
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> I know what I can do with a 50 ping, it's actually quite scary
17:44 <Lucifer_arma> scares even me
17:44 <spidey> lol
17:44 <Lucifer_arma> poor Manta was the victim mostly because he was goalie
17:44 <spidey> hahahaha
17:44 <Lucifer_arma> I could walk through anything he did, even if he grinded to overlap his wall
17:44 <spidey> i had a 166ping in bf
17:44 <spidey> when there was only me and another person
17:44 <spidey> :/
17:45 <spidey> yea
17:45 <spidey> but
17:45 <spidey> manta has a 300+ ping
17:45 <Vanhayes> at the best of times
17:46 <Vanhayes> bbl
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17:46 <Lucifer_arma> he had 200 on my server
17:46 <spidey> cool
17:46 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter a lot, I used to pwn my server regularly
17:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'd show up, win all the matches while I was there, and leave :)
17:46 <spidey> i've been meaning to get mine up.....but i'm to damn lazy :/
17:47 <spidey> no shit
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm hoping to get mine up pretty soon.
17:47 <spidey> i get a 0- 10 pingo n my server :p
17:47 <spidey> oh,at my moms house
17:47 <spidey> she has 30kb/s down and 14kb/s up
17:47 <spidey> and 150 miles away from here
17:48 <spidey> i was playing on a server i was running at home from her house
17:48 <spidey> i had a 16 ping
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's no surprise tht Psyko "I resist all change" doesn't like 0.3.0_alpha
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> what's weird is that it's not terribly different, really
17:48 <spidey> i like it
17:48 <spidey> and finally got the sounds off
17:49 <spidey> my fps rarely go below 45 now
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the build z-man just put up?
17:49 <spidey> no,it was the first build
17:49 <spidey> should i download another one?
17:49 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't mind, I'd like to get some testing on the build z-man just put up :)
17:49 <spidey> k
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> our QA team hasn't risen to the test yet, unless you count Psyko as QA
17:50 <spidey> hah
17:51 <spidey> I
17:51 <spidey> 'er
17:51 <spidey> ok
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> I really need anybody who experienced crashes under windows to test for them again
17:51 <spidey> the same one i downloaded last time?
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's a new version
17:51 <spidey> well...same link anyways
17:51 <spidey> ?
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=62611#62611
17:52 <spidey> getting it,gimme a sec shit load slow
17:52 <spidey> it's been raingin
17:52 <spidey> :<
17:52 <spidey> raining
17:53 <spidey> LOL
17:53 <spidey> my isp's getting bitched at again
17:53 <spidey> 15kb/s
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> are you sure that's not luke-jr_ 's isp?
17:53 <spidey> yea
17:53 <spidey> all websites load slow as hell
17:54 <spidey> only does this when it rains
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> yay, now it's on 30 of 319
17:55 <spidey> gentoo?
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
17:55 <spidey> bah
17:55 <spidey> no way i'd wait 9 hours to install a os
17:56 <wrtlprnft> just update regulary once you're done upgrading
17:56 <wrtlprnft> spidey: then don
17:56 <wrtlprnft> 't use gentoo
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> 9 hours? you can do it that quickly? heh
17:56 * Lucifer_arma waited for like 3 days, didn't he?
17:56 <spidey> i can
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it doesn't rain, right?
17:56 <spidey> no
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> the bottleneck on my machine is the CPU :)
17:57 <spidey> that doesn't bother system
17:57 <spidey> just the connection :p
17:57 <spidey> dONE!
17:57 * Lucifer_arma wonders if spidey has any idea how gentoo installs
17:57 <wrtlprnft> #u
17:57 <armabot> spidey: 00:57:10 up 58 days, 1:02, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
17:57 <wrtlprnft> i should sync the time on that server... it's like 30s off
17:58 <spidey> not really,i tried to install it once.....then stopped it
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> 32 of 319
17:58 <spidey> cause i don't feel like waiting that long :p
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably got quite a few small packages to do now
17:58 <spidey> brb playing on the new build
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> who says I'm sitting around and watching? I did most of the installation in a chroot ssh window
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm finishing it up in a ssh window :)
17:59 * wrtlprnft would still recommend screen
17:59 <wrtlprnft> it's annoying if some huge build is almost finished and then your WLAN breaks down for a second
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, sorry. Old habits, you know. I"m sooooo used to using a ssh window for everything
18:00 <wrtlprnft> not my problem
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> you mean like if my 2 year old decides to push the blue button on the front of my laptop again?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:00 <wrtlprnft> just say screen before you type an emerge command ;)
18:01 <wrtlprnft> that's all there is to it
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> 33 of 319
18:04 <spidey> hhmm
18:04 <spidey> my fps dropped again
18:04 <spidey> but it runs more smoothly
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to setup emerge to use distcc?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> yep
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo howto distcc portage
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.437393 seconds: HOWTO Distcc over SSH with Portage - Gentoo Linux Wiki: <http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Distcc_over_SSH_with_Portage>; Index: HOWTO - Gentoo Linux Wiki: <http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Index>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Gentoo Distcc Documentation: <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Portage Features: (3 more messages)
18:05 <wrtlprnft> last one probably
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, I setup my laptop with 3 6GB partitions so I can screw with 2 different operating systems at a time
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> that'll theoretically let me build a gentoo partition on it and still leave 1 for playing
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> but I couldn't help but notice that Kubuntu has promised to support my desktop installation for 3 years, so I'm starting to lose the impetus to switch it out
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18:07 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it would be better to switch to gentoo and keep up to date if I want to use distcc on the server becuse that'll ensure the same gcc versions being used
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is otoh
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: OTOH: on the other hand
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #version
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> why are we getting two attempts to process unix commands?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> update to 0.83.1 and it'll be gone
18:07 <wrtlprnft> at least that helped for armabot`
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> did you emerge to it, or did you manually install it?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> emerge
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then it's probably in the list of 319 packages and I just didn't notice
18:08 <wrtlprnft> probably not
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> ? why not?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> gentoo considers 0.80.1 to be stable
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> you had to unmask it or something?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> echo "net-irc/supybot ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, better hang onto that until tomorrow, when the current emerge should be finished :)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> you can do that echo right now
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> (it took all night to build kde last time, and this emerge is 99% kde)
18:10 <wrtlprnft> then it'll come with the next update
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'd hate to think I'm jsut being paranoid, but I've had really bad luck with changing package sources in any way while a big update was going
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> I"m sure what you're saying is harmless, but I've done lots of "harmless" things that turned out now to be
18:12 <wrtlprnft> portage already has a precise plan what to do for this emerge, it won't even look at /etc/portage/package.keywords, but do how you wish
18:12 * Lucifer_arma is still pissed at mepis wiping out his partition table
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> since when does reading a partition table amount to permission to trash it?
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> mepis is built on Kubuntu Dapper, so you can probably guess that I"m *not* sticking with kubuntu in the long run
18:13 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:13 <luke-jr_> Mandrake wrote really weird partition tables last time I used it
18:13 * Lucifer_arma suspects that it was a slow-corruption process that dapper started and Mepis finished
18:13 <luke-jr_> sub-sub-partitions
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I used Mandriva to start this partition table, but then finished it with Kubuntu Breezy's tool
18:14 <luke-jr_> maybe Mdk is at fault ;)
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's just Mandriva doing automated shit. It makes a primary partition and then sticks all your partitions inside it,
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> which, iirc, is the Right Way on a PC
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's required if you want to dual-boot with windows, iirc. But I could be remembering wrong, it's been awhile.
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, Mandriva just used parted in the backend just like Kubuntu and the rest, even if they set it up weird, there's no reason there should be problems like that
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> not any problems that are caused by the partition table itself, anyway
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, actually, Mandriva might use fdisk (or whatever the other partition tool is called)
18:17 <luke-jr_> pfft
18:17 <luke-jr_> since when are sub-sub-paritions even allowed?
18:20 <luke-jr_> there's a number of partitioning tools
18:20 <luke-jr_> IIRC, fdisk allows quite invalid tables
18:20 <luke-jr_> it's similar to a hex editor
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18:38 <spidey> player_1 ????????t?
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ,.?'?.,.?'?.,
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ???
18:38 <spidey> player_1 K???
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ~?(C)(R)??t~
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ?*.<<K???>>.*?
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ~<<ae?ae>>~
18:38 <spidey> player_1 <~DoubleMint~>
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ~<<(C)?(C)>>~
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ,.?'?.,.?'?.,
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ???de?
18:38 <spidey> player_1 ~<<ae?ae>>~
18:38 <spidey> i'm a ascii whore
18:39 <wrtlprnft> 50% ?
18:39 <spidey> huh?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> your player_1 stuff consists to 50% of "?"
18:40 <spidey> oh
18:40 <spidey> lol
18:41 <spidey> well...it shows up in the game :p
18:41 <spidey> i found my old autoexec.cfg file
18:44 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/test.html
18:45 <wrtlprnft> <www.fallin-angels.com>
18:45 <wrtlprnft> SENSE!?!?!?
18:45 <wrtlprnft> Do you want to allow this page to open more alerts?
18:45 <wrtlprnft> no i don't
18:45 * wrtlprnft clicks no
18:45 <spidey> LOL
18:45 <spidey> that was in my /oldfiles
18:47 <spidey> heeeeeeeeey
18:47 <spidey> i found my old ssh account info
18:47 <spidey> 550gb of space quad xeon and 1gb of ram
18:47 <spidey> ;x
18:51 <luke-jr_> spidey: pfft, ascii
18:51 <spidey> luke-jr_, pfft
18:51 <luke-jr_> use UTF-8 :)
18:52 <spidey> never
18:52 <spidey> besides i can't
18:52 <spidey> tron won't load it right
19:06 <wrtlprnft> arma will parse and display it as latin-1
19:07 <spidey> all i know is,i had to save a txt document as UTF-8 because of the chars i used in it
19:07 <spidey> and tron loaded it with blocks and stuff
19:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: if you're interested in utf-8, look at the branch in my private dir
19:11 <wrtlprnft> the font is already rendered as utf-8
19:11 <wrtlprnft> you just need input and some compatibility stuff for older clients and servers
19:13 <wrtlprnft> which also means you'll need a function to convert from utf8 to latin-1
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19:41 <luke-jr_> I know
19:42 <luke-jr_> and that's presuming I don't mind breaking older clients assumption of latin-1
19:51 <wrtlprnft> sniperyyd wasn't very popular, getting kicked 2 times!
19:51 <wrtlprnft> For example, like this: *** sniperyyd was kicked by guru3
19:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma seemed to be hated too: 1 kicks were received.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:52 * wrtlprnft wonders why guru3 would kick Lucifer_arma
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> to make me go to bed
19:56 <spidey> hahaha
19:56 <spidey> now be a good boy and goto sleep :p
19:57 <wrtlprnft> sleep:
19:57 <wrtlprnft> zzzz
19:57 <wrtlprnft> goto eol
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20:11 <Vanhayes> what server gives alot of points?
20:12 <wrtlprnft> mbc?
20:13 <spidey> lol
20:13 <spidey> no,micro changed it
20:13 <Vanhayes> nah already tried there, they changed the scoring
20:13 <spidey> oh
20:13 <spidey> sumo
20:13 <Vanhayes> o ya
20:16 <Vanhayes> hmm did the sumo bot get smarter or is it just me?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> probably just you
20:18 <wrtlprnft> => you got dumber :P
20:19 <Vanhayes> heh ya,it started to actually stay in the zone but then it went back to just driving straight again
20:20 <wrtlprnft> we need a new ai...
20:20 <wrtlprnft> one that knows about zones and teams
20:21 <Vanhayes> the AI does know about teams
20:21 <Vanhayes> at least it avoids teammates
20:22 <Vanhayes> on local game anyway
20:23 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't grind and does kill me :P
20:23 <Vanhayes> really mine always turns away from me when I get close to it
20:23 <Vanhayes> mine doesnt grind either tho
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> I've been attacked by my own bots, I don't think they know about teams
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22:02 <spidey> argh
22:03 <spidey> is there any reason the XzL server keeps terminating my connection on alpha?
22:08 <Vanhayes> is it when u are chatting?
22:08 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
22:08 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
22:10 <spidey> sno
22:10 <spidey> sit'd let me connect then everything would freeze and i'd get disconnected
22:11 <Vanhayes> ok, because on Bugfarm it would shut down my client when I was talking, but would leave my plaer in the game
22:11 <Vanhayes> player*
22:20 -!- SuPeRTaRD-bbl [i=blah@adsl-71-145-181-39.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
22:20 <Vanhayes> #list
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:20 <Vanhayes> #version
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
22:21 <Vanhayes> #help markov
22:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
22:22 <Vanhayes> #markov armagetron the at
22:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
22:22 <Vanhayes> #markov <armagetron> the at
22:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
22:22 <Vanhayes> #markov [<armagetron>] [the at]
22:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I found a broken link in the Markov chain. Maybe I received two bad links to start the chain.
22:23 <Vanhayes> #markov [<armagetron>] The at
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
22:23 <Vanhayes> #markov [word1 word2]
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> #markov #armagetron The at
22:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The at
22:24 <Vanhayes> that is a randomly generated markov sentence?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> quick lesson on argument lists :)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> [] means "optional"
22:24 <[NP]Tangent> #markov
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> <anything> means to replace all of "<anything>" with whatever it's asking for
22:24 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: lol
22:24 <Vanhayes> heh ok, that will save some time
22:24 <[NP]Tangent> what!
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> and irc channels always have # in the beginning :)
22:25 <[NP]Tangent> #markov #armagetron
22:25 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: lol
22:25 <Vanhayes> #markov
22:25 * [NP]Tangent throttles armabot
22:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: of course,w e go a different scale, and there is any plugin like that
22:25 <Vanhayes> heh
22:25 <Vanhayes> heh
22:25 <Vanhayes> #markov
22:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: and 5 heavy building on my other computer
22:25 <Vanhayes> #list
22:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:26 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
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22:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:26 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
22:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:26 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma why doesnt the weather work?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> #load Weather
22:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> #load Weather
22:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Weather is already loaded.
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> don't know
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> it has switched versions, it's on a different server now than before
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> there's an update scheduled, but right now the emerge process is getting 404 errors from the mirror it's trying to use :(
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> probably the mirror hasn't updated
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'll start it again tomorrow and we'll see if the mirror has updated then
22:42 <Vanhayes> ok, Ill just have to watch the weather network then
22:49 <Vanhayes> #list
22:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:49 <Vanhayes> #help babelfish
22:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: (babelfish <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Babelfish plugin. Use 'list Babelfish' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Babelfish' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which (1 more message)
22:50 <Vanhayes> #more
22:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: plugin's command to use.
22:50 <Vanhayes> #list babelfish
22:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize, languages, randomlanguage, and translate
22:50 <Vanhayes> #help babelize
22:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (babelize <from-language> <to-language> <text>) -- Translates <text> repeatedly between <from-language> and <to-language> until it doesn't change anymore or 12 times, whichever is fewer. One of the languages must be English.
22:51 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german Hello this is a test, if this works this will be in german.
22:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Hallo ist dieses ein Test, wenn dieses dieses auf den Deutschen ist, das an an an an an an bearbeitet wird.
22:52 <Vanhayes> heh
22:53 <Vanhayes> #list admin
22:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: addcapability, channels, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, and unignore
22:53 <Vanhayes> #list services
22:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
22:53 <Vanhayes> #help voice
22:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: (voice [<channel>] [<nick> ...]) -- If you have the #channel,voice capability, this will voice all the <nick>s you provide. If you don't provide any <nick>s, this will voice you. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:54 <Vanhayes> #voice
22:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
22:54 <Vanhayes> #whoami
22:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I don't recognize you.
22:57 <Vanhayes> #list#list
22:57 <Vanhayes> #list
22:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:57 <Vanhayes> #list misc
22:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version
22:58 <Vanhayes> #list utilities
22:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: apply, echo, ignore, last, re, reply, shuffle, strlen, and success
22:58 <Vanhayes> #help shuffle
22:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> looks like the mirror is updated now, the emerge continues
23:00 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:00 <Vanhayes> just testing
23:14 <spidey> #shuffle van is gay!
23:14 <armabot> spidey: gay! is van
23:15 <spidey> #shuffle likes men van
23:15 <armabot> spidey: men van likes
23:15 <spidey> #shuffle likes men van
23:15 <armabot> spidey: van men likes
23:15 <spidey> :/
23:15 <spidey> #shuffle likes van men
23:15 <armabot> spidey: van men likes
23:15 <spidey> :|
23:19 <Vanhayes> #shuffle spidey love men
23:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: men love spidey
23:20 <Vanhayes> lol
23:20 <Vanhayes> #shuffle spidey loves men
23:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: loves spidey men
23:20 <Vanhayes> #shuffle spidey loves men
23:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey loves men
23:23 <[NP]Tangent> #shuffle spidey loves men so much that it's making Vanhayes wonder if he's female
23:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: men much spidey that it's making if Vanhayes female he's so wonder loves
23:23 * [NP]Tangent dies
23:23 <Vanhayes> lol making vanhayes female Ha
23:24 <Vanhayes> #reply
23:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: (reply <text>) -- Replies with <text>. Equivalent to the alias, 'echo $nick: $1'.
23:24 <Vanhayes> #reply the
23:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: the
23:24 <Vanhayes> #help success
23:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: (success [<text>]) -- Does nothing except to reply with a success message. This is useful when you want to run multiple commands as nested commands, and don't care about their output as long as they're successful. An error, of course, will break out of this command. <text>, if given, will be appended to the end of the success message.
23:25 <Vanhayes> #success make spidey gay
23:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded. make spidey gay
23:25 -!- spidey [n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:25 <Vanhayes> aw
23:25 <[NP]Tangent> hahaha
23:26 <[NP]Tangent> armabot made spidey gay
23:26 <[NP]Tangent> how thoughtful
23:26 <Vanhayes> heh armabot wants spidey
23:31 -!- Zeccoz [n=Zeccoz@h229.176.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
23:34 <[NP]Tangent> #shuffle Zeccoz is gay
23:34 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Zeccoz is gay
23:34 <[NP]Tangent> heh
23:34 <[NP]Tangent> #random
23:34 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Error: The command random is available in the Dict and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before random.
23:34 <[NP]Tangent> aw
23:34 <[NP]Tangent> :(
23:34 <Vanhayes> #q
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 01:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
23:35 <Zeccoz> #q
23:35 <armabot> Zeccoz: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:35 <Vanhayes> #q
23:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
23:35 <Zeccoz> #q
23:35 <armabot> Zeccoz: Quote #16: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian Kernighan" (added by wrtlprnft at 04:21 PM, May 03, 2006)
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> #q
23:35 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by wrtlprnft at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
23:36 <Vanhayes> #q get 1
23:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
23:36 <Vanhayes> #quote get 1
23:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:37 PM, March 23, 2006)
23:36 <Vanhayes> #quote get 2
23:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
23:36 <Vanhayes> #quote get 3
23:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
23:37 <Vanhayes> heh
23:37 <Zeccoz> #quote
23:37 <armabot> Zeccoz: (quote <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Quote plugin. Use 'list Quote' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Quote' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to (1 more message)
23:37 <Zeccoz> #q
23:37 <armabot> Zeccoz: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 4
23:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by wrtlprnft at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
23:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 7
23:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Quote with id #7 in my database for #armagetron.
23:38 <Vanhayes> #quote get 8
23:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
23:38 <Vanhayes> #quote get 9
23:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
23:39 <[NP]Tangent> #quote find Vanhayes
23:39 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Error: find is not a valid command in this plugin.
23:39 <[NP]Tangent> bah
23:39 <[NP]Tangent> lameness
23:39 <Vanhayes> lol
23:39 <[NP]Tangent> #quote
23:39 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (quote <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Quote plugin. Use 'list Quote' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Quote' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 10
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Quote with id #10 in my database for #armagetron.
23:40 <[NP]Tangent> #q
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 11
23:40 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Quote with id #11 in my database for #armagetron.
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 12
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 09:44 AM, March 29, 2006)
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 13
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 11:41 PM, March 30, 2006)
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 14
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
23:40 <Vanhayes> #quote get 17
23:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
23:40 <Vanhayes> heh
23:41 <[NP]Tangent> #q
23:41 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
23:41 <Vanhayes> #realchatlog
23:41 <Vanhayes> #list alias
23:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
23:41 <Vanhayes> #more
23:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
23:41 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
23:41 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
23:42 <[NP]Tangent> #barf
23:42 <armabot> /me throws up all over
23:42 <Vanhayes> #barf [NP]Tangent
23:42 <armabot> /me throws up all over [NP] Tangent
23:42 <Vanhayes> heh
23:42 <[NP]Tangent> haha wtf
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> #pushredbutton Vanhayes
23:43 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> #surprise Vanhayes
23:43 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
23:43 <Vanhayes> ahahahahahaha
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> what the
23:43 <Vanhayes> never hit surprise
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> what's it do?
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> annoy me?
23:43 <[NP]Tangent> #help surprise
23:43 <Vanhayes> try a # command
23:43 <Vanhayes> lol
23:44 <[NP]Tangent> #help #surprise
23:44 <Vanhayes> 10 min bann from using #
23:44 <[NP]Tangent> stupid bot
23:44 * [NP]Tangent kicks armabot in the botballs
23:44 <Vanhayes> lol
23:44 <[NP]Tangent> die bad robot die
23:45 * [NP]Tangent #q
23:45 <[NP]Tangent> :-\
23:45 * [NP]Tangent remixes armabot's face
23:47 * [NP]Tangent cries
23:47 <Vanhayes> omg are you using windows XP, and have notepad?
23:47 <[NP]Tangent> no
23:47 <Vanhayes> damn
23:47 <[NP]Tangent> I'm using ubuntu linux and I have gedit
23:48 <Vanhayes> if you type in "bush hid the facts" and save it it converts it into korean
23:48 <[NP]Tangent> o rly?
23:49 <Zeccoz> I'm on Windows XP and I have notepad
23:49 <Vanhayes> try it
23:50 <Vanhayes> just type in Bush hid the facts save it then reopen it
23:50 <Vanhayes> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs."
23:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:50 <Zeccoz> HOLY
23:50 <Vanhayes> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs."
23:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:50 <Zeccoz> it worked
23:50 <Vanhayes> I know, crazy eh?
23:52 <Vanhayes> #hostmask add Vanhayes
23:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I haven't seen add.
23:52 <Vanhayes> #hostmask Vanhayes
23:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes!n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net
23:52 <Zeccoz> did you know that Maple Story is Korean?
23:52 <Zeccoz> :D
23:52 <Zeccoz> obvious
23:52 <Vanhayes> nope, what is maple story?
23:52 <Zeccoz> a 2D sidescrolling MMOPRG
23:53 <Zeccoz> MMORPG*
23:53 <Vanhayes> any good?
23:53 <Zeccoz> I like it
23:53 <Zeccoz> www.mapleglobal.com
23:54 <Vanhayes> ack I cant use Opera to open it
23:54 <Zeccoz> use IE
23:54 <Zeccoz> trust me no popups or spyware
23:55 <Vanhayes> 342mb wow its a big game
23:56 <Vanhayes> #list alias
23:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
23:56 <Vanhayes> @more
23:56 <Vanhayes> #more
23:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
23:58 <Vanhayes> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
23:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: []
23:58 <[NP]Tangent> what!
23:58 <[NP]Tangent> this notepad thing works?
23:58 <Vanhayes> #no clue:
23:58 <Vanhayes> yes
23:58 <Zeccoz> yes
23:58 * [NP]Tangent digs up a winblows box
Log from 2006-06-19:
--- Day changed Mon Jun 19 2006
00:01 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma : what does armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\: etc do?
00:01 <[NP]Tangent> WTF!!!
00:01 <[NP]Tangent> it does work
00:01 <[NP]Tangent> holy poopsticks
00:01 <Vanhayes> I know its crazy
00:02 -!- spidey [n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
00:03 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
00:03 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
00:03 <[NP]Tangent> #vanhayes
00:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is cool.
00:03 <Vanhayes> lol
00:03 <[NP]Tangent> #vanhayes Vanhayes
00:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is cool.
00:03 <[NP]Tangent> meh
00:03 <[NP]Tangent> #superdice
00:03 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (superdice <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for <<echo Results: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/dice.php?d=$1&s=$2]>>
00:03 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
00:04 <Vanhayes> #super dice 1-10 11-20
00:04 <[NP]Tangent> #superdice Vanhayes moo cow
00:04 <armabot> Results: Sum: 0
00:04 <[NP]Tangent> bah
00:04 <Vanhayes> #superdice 1-10 11-20
00:04 <armabot> Results: 6 || Sum: 6
00:04 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:04 <Vanhayes> #roulettte
00:04 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:04 <[NP]Tangent> #roulette
00:05 <[NP]Tangent> #roulettte
00:05 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:05 <Vanhayes> #roulete
00:05 <armabot> *click*
00:05 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
00:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
00:05 <Vanhayes> lies
00:05 <Vanhayes> u editor
00:05 <McSpiddles> :p
00:05 <McSpiddles> lies
00:05 <[NP]Tangent> #roulettte
00:05 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:05 <Vanhayes> #make spidey use surprise
00:05 <Vanhayes> worth a shot
00:06 <McSpiddles> lmao
00:06 <McSpiddles> well
00:06 <Vanhayes> #list
00:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
00:06 <McSpiddles> #surprise
00:06 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
00:06 <[NP]Tangent> #success make Vanhayes spidey's new wife
00:06 -!- McSpiddles is now known as spidey
00:06 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded. make Vanhayes spidey's new wife
00:06 <spidey> #echo pwn
00:06 <Vanhayes> lol
00:06 <spidey> #echo pwn
00:06 <spidey> :/
00:06 <Vanhayes> #echo I pwnt u spidey
00:06 <armabot> I pwnt u spidey
00:07 <[NP]Tangent> #make spidey gay
00:07 <Vanhayes> #success make spidey gay
00:07 <[NP]Tangent> #success make spidey gay
00:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded. make spidey gay
00:07 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded. make spidey gay
00:07 <[NP]Tangent> haha
00:07 <Vanhayes> lol
00:08 <Vanhayes> btw how did you find out about that Bush hid the facts notepad thing spidey?
00:08 <spidey> i'm good
00:09 <Vanhayes> that is crazy tho
00:09 <Vanhayes> #list alias
00:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
00:09 <Vanhayes> #more
00:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
00:09 <Vanhayes> #mashuffle
00:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: (mashuffle <an alias, 3 arguments>) -- Alias for <<echo [shuffle [shuffle [markov $1][markov $2][markov $3]]]>>
00:10 <Vanhayes> #mashuffle fluffy no no yes
00:10 <armabot> (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain. (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data (2 more messages)
00:10 <Vanhayes> ack
00:10 <Vanhayes> #more
00:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain. (markov [<channel>] [word1 word2]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they (1 more message)
00:10 <Vanhayes> #quote add "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs."
00:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
00:11 <Vanhayes> #register
00:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
00:11 <Vanhayes> #hostmask spidey
00:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey!n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
00:11 <spidey> #hostmask Vanhayes
00:12 <spidey> bastard
00:12 <Vanhayes> lol
00:12 <Vanhayes> #hostmask Vanhayes
00:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes!n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034186105.nb.aliant.net
00:12 <Vanhayes> there u go
00:12 <Vanhayes> #hostmask add MEEEEE
00:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I haven't seen add.
00:13 <Vanhayes> er
00:13 <Vanhayes> #list
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
00:13 <Vanhayes> #babelize english korean Spidey loves korean men
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:14 <Vanhayes> #babelize english German Spidey loves korean men
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Spidey liebt koreanische M�nner
00:14 <Vanhayes> heh
00:14 * Vanhayes wants to add a qoute
00:15 <Vanhayes> #list babelfish
00:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize, languages, randomlanguage, and translate
00:15 <Vanhayes> #randomlanguage
00:15 <spidey> #help
00:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Spanish
00:16 <Vanhayes> #randomlanguage the
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: (randomlanguage [--allow-english]) -- Returns a random language supported by babelfish. If --allow-english is provided, will include English in the list of possible languages.
00:16 <Vanhayes> #randomlanguage
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Spanish
00:16 <Vanhayes> #randomlanguage
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Chinese_simple
00:16 <Vanhayes> #babelize english Chinese_simple Spidey loves korean men
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:16 <Vanhayes> liar
00:16 <Vanhayes> #randomlanguage
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: French
00:16 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
00:16 <spidey> ha
00:16 <spidey> my biological clock is ticking Spidey
00:16 <spidey> lets make babies!
00:16 <spidey> LMAO
00:16 <spidey> spidey says:
00:16 <spidey> you're only 17!
00:17 <Vanhayes> ?
00:17 <spidey> someone i'm talking to on msn
00:17 <Vanhayes> i see
00:17 <Vanhayes> what exactally are u talking about?
00:18 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
00:18 <spidey> .....
00:18 <spidey> im really 35
00:18 <spidey>
00:18 <spidey> spidey says:
00:18 <spidey> riiiiiiiight
00:18 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
00:18 <spidey> okay
00:18 <spidey> i just wanted sex
00:18 <Vanhayes> lol
00:21 <Vanhayes> #list
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
00:21 <Vanhayes> #herald
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: (herald <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Herald plugin. Use 'list Herald' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Herald' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
00:21 <[NP]Tangent> #babelfish
00:21 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (babelfish <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Babelfish plugin. Use 'list Babelfish' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Babelfish' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot (1 more message)
00:22 <[NP]Tangent> #more
00:22 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: which plugin's command to use.
00:22 <Vanhayes> #babelize english french Spidey loves korean men
00:22 <[NP]Tangent> #list Babelfish
00:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Cor�ens de hommes de les d'aime de Spidey
00:22 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: babelize, languages, randomlanguage, and translate
00:22 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english spanish Vicky Benda's mom is very nice.
00:22 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: La madre de Vicky Benda es muy agradable.
00:23 <Vanhayes> lol
00:23 <spidey> #babelize pwn
00:23 <armabot> spidey: (babelize <from-language> <to-language> <text>) -- Translates <text> repeatedly between <from-language> and <to-language> until it doesn't change anymore or 12 times, whichever is fewer. One of the languages must be English.
00:23 <spidey> #babelize pwn
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> watch this
00:23 <armabot> spidey: (babelize <from-language> <to-language> <text>) -- Translates <text> repeatedly between <from-language> and <to-language> until it doesn't change anymore or 12 times, whichever is fewer. One of the languages must be English.
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english La madre de Vicky Benda es muy agradable
00:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The mother of Vicky Benda is very pleasant
00:23 <Vanhayes> #babelize english french pwn
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> WHAT
00:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: pwn
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> they fixed it
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english spanish Vicky Benda's mother is very nice.
00:23 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german pwn
00:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: pwn
00:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Agradable muy de de Vicky Benda es del madre del la.
00:23 <Vanhayes> bah
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english Agradable muy de de Vicky Benda es del madre del la.
00:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Pleasant very of Vicky Benda it is of the mother of.
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> wtf
00:23 <Vanhayes> lol
00:23 <[NP]Tangent> stupid
00:24 <Vanhayes> #wtf is babelize
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize: nothing appropriate
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
00:24 <Vanhayes> #wtf is what
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: what: nothing appropriate
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
00:24 <Vanhayes> #wtf is wtf
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
00:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
00:24 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english spanish Vicky Benda's mother is very nice.
00:24 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Agradable muy de de Vicky Benda es del madre del la.
00:24 <[NP]Tangent> bah
00:25 <[NP]Tangent> it used to be where you could convert to spanish and back
00:25 <[NP]Tangent> and it would say The breast of Vicky Benda is very pleasant
00:25 <[NP]Tangent> or something like that
00:25 <[NP]Tangent> (btw, Vicky Benda is this one girl I know)
00:25 <Vanhayes> lol
00:25 <[NP]Tangent> heh
00:28 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english spanish Vicky's mom is very nice.
00:28 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: La madre de Vicky es muy agradable.
00:28 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english La madre de Vicky es muy agradable.
00:28 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The mother of Vicky is very pleasant.
00:28 <[NP]Tangent> oh
00:28 <[NP]Tangent> I know what it did
00:29 <[NP]Tangent> it used to translate mom to mama
00:29 <[NP]Tangent> and mama translated back to breast
00:29 <Vanhayes> #babelize spanish english mama
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: _ there am to aspires
00:29 <Vanhayes> wah?
00:39 <Vanhayes> #babelize english spanish _ there am to aspires
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: _ lo inhala all�
00:39 <Vanhayes> #babelize english spanish there am to aspires
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: all� lo inhala
00:39 <Vanhayes> #babelize spanish english all? lo inhala
00:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: all? inhales it
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00:46 <spidey> someone come play BF with me :(
00:46 <Vanhayes> meh
00:47 <spidey> :<
00:47 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english korean I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God with liberty and justice for all.
00:47 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:47 <Vanhayes> #languages
00:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
00:47 <[NP]Tangent> noooo!
00:47 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english german I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God with liberty and justice for all.
00:47 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Ich verspreche die Republik der Untertanentreue f�r das Kennzeichnen der Ansage �ber den Zust�nden von Amerika und, f�r die sie steht, der Nation unter Gott durch Freiheit und Gerechtigkeit f�r alle.
00:49 <spidey> #babelize engilsh Chinese_simple fuck
00:49 <armabot> spidey: Error: "'engilsh'" is not a valid language. Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
00:49 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize german english Ich verspreche die Republik der Untertanentreue f?r das Kennzeichnen der Ansage ?ber den Zust?nden von Amerika und, f?r die sie steht, der Nation unter Gott durch Freiheit und Gerechtigkeit f?r alle.
00:49 <spidey> #babelize English Chinese_simple fuck
00:49 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: I promise the republic of the allegiance f?r, which marks the announcement more more more ?ber the Zust?nden of America and, f?r its position, the nation under God by liberty and the justice f?r all.
00:49 <armabot> spidey: fuck
00:49 <Vanhayes> lol spidey cant spell
00:49 <spidey> #babelize English Chinese_simple one for all and all for one!
00:49 <armabot> spidey: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:49 <spidey> fucking musketeers
00:50 <spidey> #babelize English Greek one for all and all for one!
00:50 <armabot> spidey: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:50 <spidey> :/
00:50 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize Spanish English Duchate, spidey.
00:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Duchate, spidey.
00:50 <spidey> #babelize English Russian one for all and all for one!
00:50 <armabot> spidey: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
00:50 <[NP]Tangent> wtf
00:50 <spidey> ?
00:50 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english spidey tiene tres anos.
00:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: the spidey has three anuses.
00:50 <Vanhayes> ahahaha
00:50 <Vanhayes> #joke
00:51 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
00:51 <spidey> van come play fortress with me
00:51 <spidey> just long enough for other people to join xD
00:51 <Vanhayes> argh I dont wanna
00:51 <spidey> yes you do
00:51 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english a spidey le gustan penes que estan en su anos.
00:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: to the spidey that it has taste of the penises estan in his anuses.
00:51 <Vanhayes> heh pened
00:51 <Vanhayes> heh penes*
00:52 <Vanhayes> omg
00:52 <Vanhayes> that bug
00:52 <Vanhayes> am I still in the spidey ?
00:53 <Vanhayes> There*
01:04 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
01:04 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
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01:09 <spidey> baaaaaaaah
01:09 <Vanhayes> ?
01:09 <spidey> i wanted to play fortress
01:09 <spidey> :<
01:09 <spidey> damned isp!!
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03:47 <spidey> alexander pwned the shit outta everyone,then got the shit pwned outta him
04:07 <guru3> tools/tValue.h:40:32: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory
04:07 <guru3> that would be a problem eh
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04:41 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: aacockpit now uploadable
04:41 <luke-jr_> 0.3.0 only of course
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05:21 <spidey> pssh
05:21 <spidey> power went out :/
05:41 <luke-jr_> o
05:41 <luke-jr_> UPS? =p
05:44 <spidey> no
05:45 <spidey> besides,that wouldn't matter,i'd need atleast 3 that put out more than 330v
05:52 <luke-jr_> why?
05:59 <spidey> modem/router monitor/tower
06:00 <spidey> which,when i find a few ups i'ma start my next project
06:01 <spidey> i'll need 4 ups,4 converters,8 marine deep cycle car batteries and something else i forgot
06:03 <guru3> how does that add up to 330v?
06:03 <spidey> the power supply in this computer is 330v alone...
06:06 <guru3> how about watts
06:06 <guru3> not volts
06:06 <guru3> 330 volts is the sort of power driers need
06:06 <spidey> yea,that too xD
06:07 <guru3> well i'm sure there are UPSs that last an hour at that much
06:07 <spidey> if i can find old deads ones
06:07 <spidey> i'ma make 4 that'll last way longer :p
06:07 <guru3> either do it properly from scratch or buy commercial
06:07 <guru3> i'm sure mix and match
06:07 <guru3> is not the way to go
06:08 <spidey> eh
06:08 <spidey> all i'll be doing is removing the enternal battry and replacing it with deep cycle car batteries
06:08 <guru3> and thereby
06:08 <guru3> completely disregarding the design of the charging circuits
06:08 <guru3> and everything that makes a UPS a UPS
06:09 <guru3> vs a really big battery
06:09 <spidey> heh
06:09 <guru3> it's true
06:09 <spidey> it'll work :p,if not it'll only be 4 dead UPS that where already dead
06:09 <guru3> it'll work maybe
06:09 <guru3> the question is how safely
06:10 <spidey> well
06:10 <guru3> i doubt you want a lead acid battery blowing up in your face
06:10 <guru3> or if you do, you rank up with evil knivel
06:10 <spidey> if i don't overload it,and i don't overcross the wires
06:10 <spidey> should be safe enough
06:10 <guru3> that's what you think
06:10 <guru3> then BOOM
06:10 <spidey> :/
06:11 <spidey> i'm still doing it :
06:11 <spidey> :p
06:11 <guru3> you gotta watch out with this stuff is all i'm saying
06:11 <spidey> i know,heh
06:11 <guru3> it's like popping the caps on lithium ion batteries: dangerous
06:11 <spidey> yea
06:13 <spidey> i dunno,i've always liked messing with that kinda stuff
06:13 <spidey> ohhh,that reminds me...i need to goto radioshack
06:13 <spidey> gonna make a converter so the vga out goes to tv-in
06:13 <guru3> i wish there was something like radioshack here
06:13 <guru3> i'd buy so much shit ><
06:13 <spidey> hehe
06:15 <spidey> hmm
06:15 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
06:15 <guru3> lol
06:15 <McSpiddles> #later tell spidey call charter you dumbass,AND TELL THEM THEY SUCK AND TO INSTALL A WEATHER PROOF CABLE BOX!
06:15 <armabot> McSpiddles: The operation succeeded.
06:15 <McSpiddles> maybe i'll get that when i wake up
06:15 <guru3> buahahaha
06:16 <McSpiddles> i had a 409 ping in fortress :/
06:16 <guru3> lol
06:17 <McSpiddles> well,it jumped between 160 and 409
06:17 <guru3> gotta hate that
06:17 <McSpiddles> which is really rare cause i never ever had below a 175 ping before
06:17 <McSpiddles> usually about 190-210 with a full server
06:18 <guru3> maybe i'll play some tron today
06:18 <McSpiddles> :|
06:18 <guru3> i am at work afterall :)
06:18 <McSpiddles> lag's so bad when it rans,i turn one way
06:18 <McSpiddles> it goes that way for about 2 seconds
06:18 <McSpiddles> then shoots the other way
06:18 <guru3> buahahhaa
06:18 <guru3> or something
06:19 <McSpiddles> hmm
06:20 <McSpiddles> i got a idea
06:20 <McSpiddles> i wonder if i've got a 50ft drop cord
06:20 <McSpiddles> take a blow dryer out there and dry it myself :|
06:20 <guru3> OO
06:33 <McSpiddles> ?
06:33 <guru3> it's just i've got no clue what you're talking about :)
06:33 <McSpiddles> lol
06:33 <McSpiddles> i mean the cable box isn't weather proof right?
06:34 <McSpiddles> it gets wet ping goes up 300+
06:34 <McSpiddles> take a blow dryer and dry it off
06:34 <McSpiddles> ping goes down 300-
06:34 <guru3> ahh
06:35 <McSpiddles> spidey says:
06:35 <McSpiddles> that was mean! i'ma cry now
06:35 <McSpiddles> ?uzann? says:
06:35 <McSpiddles> <pats spidey on the back, it'll be better before u're married
06:35 <McSpiddles> spidey says:
06:35 <McSpiddles> is that a proposal?
06:35 <McSpiddles> ?uzann? says:
06:35 <McSpiddles> ummmmmmmmmmm
06:35 <McSpiddles> ahahah
06:35 <guru3> lol
06:36 <McSpiddles> spidey < women
06:36 <McSpiddles> alligator mouth eats loser
06:36 <McSpiddles> xD
06:37 <guru3> lol
06:37 <guru3> hmm
06:37 <guru3> got tetris running
06:37 <guru3> blah
06:37 <guru3> not tetris
06:37 <guru3> armagetron
06:37 <McSpiddles> lol
06:37 <guru3> stupid listening to tetris music ><
06:37 <McSpiddles> haha
06:37 <guru3> haha
06:37 <guru3> it's doing technicolor shit ><
06:38 <McSpiddles> hehe
06:38 <McSpiddles> pwnt
06:38 <McSpiddles> minimize tron,but leave it in a game....for about a hour
06:38 <McSpiddles> then reopen it
06:38 <McSpiddles> xD
06:39 <guru3> wait until you see this
06:39 <guru3> always does it on my laptop ><
06:39 <McSpiddles> lol
06:39 <guru3> and someone stuck a huge fuckoff photo off a girl on my upload page
06:39 <guru3> damn i need to pay more attention to this shit :D
06:40 <McSpiddles> hahahah
06:41 <guru3> bah
06:41 <guru3> someone's been fucking with my webspace damnit
06:41 <McSpiddles> it was this guy
06:41 <McSpiddles> i seen him earlier
06:41 <McSpiddles> his name's guru3
06:41 <guru3> hmm
06:41 <guru3> why is it parsing a .txt for php
06:41 <guru3> i'm pretty sure i didn't add that as a handler
06:42 <guru3> anyway
06:42 <guru3> here's technicolor tron...
06:42 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/upload/screenshot_1.png
06:43 <McSpiddles> ?
06:43 <McSpiddles> looks normal to me :/
06:43 <guru3> don't you see the shit on the cieling?
06:44 <McSpiddles> oh
06:44 <McSpiddles> that looks cool though
06:44 <guru3> it's really pretty annoying :(
06:44 <McSpiddles> LOL
06:45 <McSpiddles> mmmm
06:45 <McSpiddles> hey guru,want a indexing script?
06:45 <guru3> i have one
06:45 <McSpiddles> a friend made it,looks pretty cool
06:45 <guru3> i have several actually
06:46 <McSpiddles> http://fallin-angels.com/filelist.php
06:46 <guru3> that's about
06:46 <guru3> what i already have
06:47 <guru3> except what i have
06:47 <guru3> can do file management for specified ips
06:47 <McSpiddles> cool
06:47 <McSpiddles> http://electricpotential.net/upload/DSCF0285.JPG
06:47 <McSpiddles> o_O
06:48 <guru3> yeah
06:48 <guru3> not sure who that is
06:48 <McSpiddles> lmao
06:48 <guru3> i've got a couple friends that use it for random stuff
06:48 <guru3> so...
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06:52 <guru3> gmm
06:52 <guru3> hmm
06:52 <guru3> i'm about ready to cruise the grids i think
06:53 <McSpiddles> heh
06:53 <McSpiddles> any perticular place?
06:53 <guru3> i dunno yet
06:53 <guru3> browser has to come back with servers yet
06:53 <McSpiddles> lol
06:54 <guru3> so many servers these days
06:54 <McSpiddles> yea
06:54 <McSpiddles> only a few usually have people in them
06:55 * McSpiddles is either to lazy or keeps forgetting to get his up
06:55 <McSpiddles> bah
06:55 <guru3> *is trying swampland*
06:56 <guru3> note to self
06:56 <guru3> turn off sparks
06:57 <guru3> gfx settings @ min
07:03 <McSpiddles> that server has some weird ass lag
07:06 <guru3> heh
07:07 <McSpiddles> bah
07:07 <McSpiddles> it's like it hates me
07:07 <McSpiddles> only deeper
07:08 <guru3> lol
07:08 <guru3> this is the first time i've played
07:08 <guru3> in a couple months :)
07:08 <McSpiddles> o_O
07:08 <McSpiddles> haven't you played fortress since?
07:08 <guru3> not really
07:09 <McSpiddles> mm
07:09 <guru3> :)
07:09 <guru3> i can just play normal tron
07:09 <McSpiddles> wasn't you Lick once?
07:09 <guru3> nope
07:09 <guru3> i've been tank program for about the last 2.5 yeatrs
07:09 <guru3> *years
07:10 <McSpiddles> hrmm
07:10 <guru3> new round
07:10 * McSpiddles left
07:10 <McSpiddles> !!!
07:12 <guru3> aye
07:12 <guru3> but i'm still playing
07:12 <guru3> and sometimes even kicking ass
07:12 <McSpiddles> you're gonna lose
07:12 <McSpiddles> :D
07:14 <guru3> and another round to me :D
07:14 <McSpiddles> bah
07:14 * McSpiddles spills water on guru3's laptop
07:15 <guru3> lost that one
07:15 <McSpiddles> pwnt
07:15 <guru3> shaddup :P
07:15 <guru3> you weren't doing any better
07:15 <McSpiddles> but i lag to death
07:15 <McSpiddles> i can record it for proof :p
07:16 <McSpiddles> i gotta stop this internet and laziness shit #_#
07:17 <McSpiddles> 1 year of laziness,now when i go out side and run around i'm outta breath :|
07:17 * McSpiddles remembers when he was in public school he used to pwn on the basketball court
07:17 <McSpiddles> then again the smoking doesn't help :/
07:17 <guru3> won that one
07:18 <McSpiddles> cause i didn't spill water on your laptop that time :p
07:18 * McSpiddles spills water on guru3's laptop
07:19 <guru3> and won that one
07:19 <McSpiddles> :o
07:20 <guru3> and won that match
07:20 -!- McSpiddles is now known as SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg
07:20 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> you playing against the bots again? :
07:20 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> :p
07:22 <guru3> that one was a bit tougher
07:23 <guru3> but still won it :)
07:23 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> hehge
07:23 <guru3> lost that one
07:23 <guru3> guy came outta nowhere ><
07:23 <guru3> and new round :)
07:26 <guru3> won that one
07:28 <guru3> and that one
07:29 <guru3> lost that one
07:29 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> you're gonna lose the next one
07:29 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> damned labs
07:29 <guru3> not with my gained armpit cooling time!
07:29 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> wet dogs smell
07:30 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> lol
07:31 <guru3> oddly
07:31 <guru3> i lost that one too ><
07:32 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> lol
07:32 <guru3> damn wrong turns ><
07:33 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> hehe
07:34 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> gar
07:40 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> k,this spider's off to sleep
07:40 <SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg> happy pwning xD
07:46 <guru3> well then
07:46 <guru3> my laptop just died from over heating
07:46 <guru3> so
07:46 <guru3> no more tron today
07:53 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command fortune is available in the Alias and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before fortune.
07:53 <wrtlprnft> .....
07:53 <wrtlprnft> #help morning
07:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (morning <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<echo Good Morning $who! [f]>>
07:53 <wrtlprnft> #help f
07:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (f <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<fortune $*>>
07:54 <wrtlprnft> #alias add f alias fortune
07:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> #f
07:54 <armabot> Random Fortune: It is Texas law that when two trains meet each other at a railroad crossing, || each shall come to a full stop, and neither shall proceed until the other || has gone.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:54 <armabot> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> #alias add morning echo Good Morning $who [f]
07:54 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: "[e \x00 \x00 \x00 c \x00 \x00 \x00 h \x00 \x00 \x00 o \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 G \x00 \x00 \x00 o \x00 \x00 \x00 o \x00 \x00 \x00 d \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 M \x00 \x00 \x00 o \x00 \x00 \x00 r \x00 \x00 \x00 n \x00 \x00 \x00 i \x00 \x00 \x00 n \x00 \x00 \x00 g \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 $ \x00 \x00 \x00 w \x00 \x00 \x00 h \x00 \x00 \x00 o \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x00 \x03 (11 more messages)
07:55 * wrtlprnft scratches his head
07:55 <wrtlprnft> #alias add morning "echo Good Morning $who [f]"
07:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
07:55 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:55 <armabot> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
07:55 <wrtlprnft> ...
07:55 <wrtlprnft> screw this
07:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma
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08:48 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
08:48 <armabot> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think it's because it's using the older version, the emerge is still going on
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> !!! Couldn't download klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2. Aborting.
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09:48 <dArkPL> sup ppl
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09:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> swizerland won :D
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10:00 <madmax|pt> hello
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11:29 * wrtlprnft waits for garisimo to post the patch that will totally eliminate lag
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12:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: does "no more hacks" mean that I shouldn't bother with the camera code right now?
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12:29 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lackarma.css.patch <-- could you apply that for the forums?
12:30 <wrtlprnft> guru3: it just fixes the errors I'm getting with opera
12:30 <wrtlprnft> guru3: uh, and the file i'm referring to is rate unified output.
12:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf
12:31 <wrtlprnft> guru3: uh, and the file i'm referring to is http://forums.armagetronad.net/templates/lackarma/lackarma.css
12:31 <guru3> mmm k
12:31 <guru3> i'll take a look at it
12:31 <guru3> at some point
12:31 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
12:32 <wrtlprnft> I replaced all nonexisting properties by the ones that were probably meant, eg text-align: instead of align:
12:32 <guru3> mm k
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13:24 <wrtlprnft> wb Lucifer_arma
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> re
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
13:24 <wrtlprnft> did your test already happen?
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> yesterday, I'll get the results wednesday or thursday
13:25 <wrtlprnft> sunday?!
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> it was in the testing center, ran from Thursday through Sunday
13:25 <wrtlprnft> ah
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course I took it on the last day I could so I could study as much as I could :)
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ah
13:29 <wrtlprnft> hope you did well :)
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15:01 -!- SpIdEy|DrEaMiNg is now known as spidey
15:01 * spidey yawns
15:02 <Vanhayes> #barf spidey
15:02 <armabot> /me throws up all over spidey
15:03 <Vanhayes> #lart
15:07 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
15:07 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a churlish mound of fermented cat.
15:08 <Vanhayes> #pokes spidey
15:08 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
15:08 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
15:19 <Vanhayes> #list
15:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
15:19 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
15:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> OMG, STOP EVERYTHING AND FIX LAG BEFORE WE LOSE ALL OUR PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:21 <spidey> you can fix lag?
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> no
15:22 <spidey> *_*
15:22 <spidey> damn
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, not too long ago I developed as a pet peeve the kind of feedback that goes "Don't do anything else until you fix lag"
15:22 <spidey> lol
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> just throw a cat turd at me, that's a bit more honest, and it's something I can respond to
15:22 <spidey> last night i was lagging so bad guru3 pwned me O_o
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit that must have been bad
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> actually, he's one of those legendary players that doesn't play enough anymore to really live up to the legend :/
15:23 <spidey> HAHAHAHA
15:24 <spidey> no,but i was laggin bad
15:24 <spidey> i'd turn one way...go that way for a few seconds then the force would shoot me the other way
15:24 <spidey> xD
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> I hate that
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> what are the chances there's a cop between me and the store?
15:25 <spidey> mmmm
15:26 <spidey> 1 in 1million?
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15:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same store I went to when I fell down on my skates
15:27 <spidey> my car can do 0 - 25 in 67.7 seconds!
15:27 <Vanhayes> why would you need to avoid the cops....
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> no registration or inspection
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> or insurance
15:27 <spidey> lol
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, this is a bad idea, I need to wait until my wife gets home
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> she'll have insurance with her, and with any luck registration
15:27 * Lucifer_arma just put brakes on it
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15:28 <Vanhayes> Do you at least have you licence?
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I've got that
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> I shouldn't get arrested if I got stopped
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> never know with Texas cops, though. Sometimes they get mad if you're uninsured....
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> but the ticket for that is too much anyway. And the second ticket gets your license suspended (first-hand experience)
15:29 <Vanhayes> meh cops are pretty slack around here
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, better wait until my wife gets home. I only need to put air in the tank and gas in the tires
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> er, air in the tires and gas in the tank, I mean
15:29 <Vanhayes> heh
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> not an errand worth getting a $500+ ticket over
15:30 <spidey> LOL
15:31 <Vanhayes> what errand would be worth getting a $500+ ticket?
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> daughter broke her arm?
15:31 <spidey> O_o
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> the hospital's right down the street, I could get there before the 911 operator could even answer
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> how about my house catching fire?
15:32 <spidey> i accidently dialed 911 once :/
15:32 <spidey> i ment to hit "411"
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha. Did they give you a ticket?
15:32 <spidey> bah
15:32 <spidey> no,they sent a cop out here
15:32 * spidey was fried O_o
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're supposed to do that for every call
15:32 <Vanhayes> I hit 911 when I was drunk and they hung up on me after 15 min
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> haha. "I'm sorry officer, I accidentally hit 911 instead of 411 because I'm stoned off my balls"
15:33 <wrtlprnft> what about we just disable the ability to play over the internet?
15:33 <spidey> told my grandma "i'm going to sleep! tell them i ment to dial 411 O_O
15:33 <wrtlprnft> that would fix lag
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> infinite lag?
15:33 <spidey> oh oh oh
15:33 <spidey> i know
15:33 <spidey> mmmmm
15:33 <spidey> maybe not :/
15:33 <wrtlprnft> then we could complain to garisimo that everyone stops playing because we fixed lag
15:34 <spidey> LOL
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> now that you mention it, gltron doesn't have the kind of lag problem we do
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> and they've got plenty of players (or so I hear)
15:34 <wrtlprnft> so armagetron sucks, gltron rocks
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
15:34 <spidey> man
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> I guess you need to make a struct for gltron called gTehRock with all of arma code in it
15:35 <spidey> gltron was my partener once
15:35 <wrtlprnft> let's just make a theSuck.h in gltron with all armagetron code rewritten as plain C!
15:35 <spidey> he pwned me then everyone else
15:35 <spidey> :/
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> no bot is better than Rage :)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> Rage was the product of me fooling with my aiplayers file, and that fucker wasn't just hard to kill
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> you'd chase him for awhile through all sorts of crazy shit, then he'd just turn around and bitch-slap you
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> and this wasn't just sucky me having problems with him, generally the team that got Rage won :)
15:37 <Vanhayes> argh I hate this client crash
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> umm, don't chat?
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> what version is it in
15:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: make a recording, NOW!
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> ?
15:37 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:37 <Vanhayes> newest alpha
15:37 <wrtlprnft> we can't fix a crash that doesn't happen for us
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I haven't updated for it yet
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> you're in windows, right?
15:37 <Vanhayes> ill try to record but it ia a random one
15:38 <Vanhayes> windows ya
15:38 <wrtlprnft> then record all the time until it happens
15:38 <Vanhayes> ok
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> just turn on recording and then go pick a fight with one of those doublegrinding fanatics
15:38 <wrtlprnft> haha
15:38 <spidey> hahahah
15:38 <spidey> mom had this problem to right?
15:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it doesn't happen when you press tab?
15:38 * Vanhayes is prepared to get spamm banned
15:38 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, no
15:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> mom's crash was different
15:39 <wrtlprnft> then it's not my fault :P
15:39 <spidey> oh
15:39 <wrtlprnft> most likely
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> mom's crash was leaving a game
15:39 <spidey> the newer alpha has lower fps for me....but runs smoothly you can't even tell
15:39 <spidey> that's about it
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> fps > 30 is Good Enough these days
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer > 50, but anything > 30 is playable
15:40 <Vanhayes> the new alpha has better FPS but that might be the HUD
15:40 <wrtlprnft> insert comment about americans always mixing up dimensions and their units here
15:40 <spidey> wtf
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> > 90 can't be distinguished by human eyes anyway
15:40 <spidey> why does everyone get better fps
15:40 <wrtlprnft> it's frameratem and it's measured in fps!
15:40 <spidey> but i get lower
15:40 <spidey> O_o
15:40 <Vanhayes> try a diff HUD
15:40 <wrtlprnft> there's enough by now :P
15:40 <Vanhayes> the classic brings mine down to 30
15:41 <spidey> which cockpit you use?
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I use mine :)
15:41 * wrtlprnft uses his
15:41 <spidey> lol
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> if you can live without a rubber meter, it's the best one there is :)
15:41 <wrtlprnft> bah
15:41 <wrtlprnft> mine has a huge rubber meter
15:41 <spidey> LOL
15:41 <wrtlprnft> it's one of the most useful meters there is, if it's big enough
15:41 <spidey> i can live without speed and break meters
15:41 <Vanhayes> HA got it to crash me
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, I cut my teeth on this game when most people turned the hud off to get higher fps
15:41 <spidey> but i need a rubber meter
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking of removing my speed meters
15:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: upload he recording somewhere :)
15:42 <Vanhayes> I use one I just made
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even look at it anymore anyway
15:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's framerate, and it's measured in fps!
15:42 <Vanhayes> where?
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> same reason I removed the rubber meter, I quite looking at it
15:42 <Vanhayes> forums?
15:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yes
15:42 <Vanhayes> ok
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I care? ;)
15:42 <wrtlprnft> somewhere, doesn't matter
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> so fps > 30 makes as much sense as in > 5 ?
15:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the same way as asking , "how many kilograms does this weigh?" is nonsense
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's not true at all, there's no comparison there
15:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: correct: framerate > 30fps
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> If I have more than 30 frames per second ......
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> just like "if I have more than 5 inches...."
15:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that makes sense, too
15:44 <wrtlprnft> but "my frames per second is greater than 30" doesn't
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, this is irc, not english class. If people can say "iirc" and "afaik", I can say fps > 30
15:44 <wrtlprnft> english class?
15:44 * spidey thinks this arguement is nonsense
15:44 <spidey> #_#
15:44 <armabot> Random Fortune: Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man || can never learn anything from history. -George Bernard Shaw
15:44 <wrtlprnft> that's more like physics
15:44 <spidey> eh?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> lolol
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> you're just not reading it right. :) fps > 30 should be read as "more than 30 frames per second"
15:44 <spidey> #_#
15:44 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What's yellow, and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice? || A: Zorn's Lemon.
15:44 <spidey> ?
15:44 <spidey> lol
15:45 <wrtlprnft> #help _#
15:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (# <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<f $*>>
15:45 <wrtlprnft> #help #
15:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (# <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<f $*>>
15:45 <wrtlprnft> #list alias
15:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
15:45 <wrtlprnft> _# isn't even defined, it must ignore the _
15:45 <spidey> #more
15:45 <armabot> spidey: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
15:45 <spidey> ##
15:45 <Vanhayes> why is that armabot ////////////////////////////////////// so long
15:45 <armabot> Random Fortune: Generosity and perfection are your everlasting goals.
15:45 <Lucifer_arma> some day you're going to list alias and find there aren't any because I didn't want to wade through the config file and delete the annoying ones
15:46 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: "> 30fps" would be somewhat ok as well
15:46 <wrtlprnft> nooooooo
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> "> 30fps" is confusing, because it looks like whatever you said right before it is what's greater than 30 fps
15:46 <spidey> 31 fps?
15:46 <wrtlprnft> "if i have >30fps"
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> why not just "fps > 30"?
15:47 <wrtlprnft> "if i have greater(more) than 30 frames per second"
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> less typing, Mr. Typedef f float;
15:47 <wrtlprnft> err
15:47 <wrtlprnft> that was #define ft float
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> what if you needed feet?
15:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, how is >30fps less typing than fps>30?
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> you'd get float instead
15:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: c++ doesn't know about feet
15:48 <wrtlprnft> if i defined f as float the following wouldn't work:
15:48 <spidey> it does if you tell it about them
15:48 <spidey> #_$
15:48 <wrtlprnft> for(int f = 0; f<10; ++f) { ... }
15:48 <wrtlprnft> it would be
15:48 <wrtlprnft> for(int float = 0; float<10; ++float) { ... }
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, I'm arguing wtih someone that spells meter "metre", aren't I?
15:49 <wrtlprnft> which would give you a huge bunch of syntax errors
15:49 <spidey> LOO
15:49 <spidey> LOL
15:49 <wrtlprnft> i don't care too much. the german spelling is "Meter".
15:49 <spidey> then why do you spell it metre
15:49 <wrtlprnft> anyways, you can never ever compare a number to a unit
15:50 <wrtlprnft> it's the same as km/h > 100
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> but you can abbreviate framerate to fps
15:50 <wrtlprnft> nope you can't
15:50 <wrtlprnft> they're different things
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you can
15:50 <wrtlprnft> nope
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> just like you can abbreviate velocity to m/s
15:50 <Vanhayes> wow this is one long pointless argument
15:50 <wrtlprnft> fps is the unit of framerate
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> I think luke-jr_ changed his name to wrtlprnft :)
15:50 <wrtlprnft> you cannot appreviate velocity to m/s
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> you can too
15:50 <wrtlprnft> nope
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> yep
15:51 <wrtlprnft> that would give you 0 on a german physics test
15:51 <wrtlprnft> and on a canadian one too
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> this isn't a german physics test
15:51 <wrtlprnft> if you write your answer as "the m/s is 100 speed"
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> this also isn't a canadian physics test
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> now why would I do that?
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> 100 m/s is sooo much shorter
15:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm
15:52 <spidey> LOL
15:52 <wrtlprnft> so you would abbreviate kg*m/s^2 to Force?
15:52 <wrtlprnft> then your answer would be 20Force?
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, we call that pounds in america
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> and more likely I'd abbreviate it to N anyway
15:52 <wrtlprnft> even on a physics test?
15:53 <wrtlprnft> because kg*m/s^2 and N are the same thing
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> N is soo much shorter than all that stuff
15:53 <wrtlprnft> but N and Force are not
15:53 <wrtlprnft> and what do you do with Nm anyways? that can either be energy or angular force
15:54 <wrtlprnft> so how would you know what is meant?
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's work, isn't it?
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> W = F*D
15:54 <wrtlprnft> yep, in one case
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> where F is an abbreviation for Force, and D is an abbreviation for Distance
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> all the rest are derived from that, eh?
15:55 <wrtlprnft> in the other case it can be the force you use to turn something
15:55 <Vanhayes> um the forums say "The Extension aarec is not allowed"
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> W = F * r * theta ?
15:55 <wrtlprnft> no
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> zip it, Vanhayes
15:55 <Vanhayes> ok
15:55 <wrtlprnft> you can multiply the force you apply to a wheel (tangentially) by your distance to the centre
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what's the formula for work when it's angular?
15:56 <wrtlprnft> same thing, {angular force (forgot the letter)} = F * D
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> and what's D?
15:56 <wrtlprnft> and it's not work
15:56 <wrtlprnft> the distance to the centre of the whee
15:56 <wrtlprnft> l
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> radius, then?
15:57 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> why no angle in it?
15:57 <wrtlprnft> i dunno if it's even called angular force in english- speaking countries
15:57 <wrtlprnft> but it has something to do with turning things
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's called torque :)
15:57 <wrtlprnft> whatever
15:57 <wrtlprnft> but same unit, right?
15:58 <wrtlprnft> and totally different things
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> Nm or Ft-lbs
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll finish this argument when I'm in my physics class
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15:58 <Lucifer_arma> and probably revisit it in a later physics class
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> unless we cover this topic to any degree in my calc class :)
15:58 <wrtlprnft> ask your physics teacher if metres and distance are the same thing
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> why? I already know the answer to that
15:59 * Lucifer_arma notices you spelled it "metres"
15:59 <wrtlprnft> or ask about inches and distance if you like that more
15:59 <wrtlprnft> yes, i did that for Lucifer_arma
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer penis-lengths
15:59 <wrtlprnft> actually what i did was meter<bs><bs>res
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> where <bs> = bullshit? ;)
16:00 <wrtlprnft> <bs> = backspace
16:00 <Vanhayes> ok recording is up now
16:00 <wrtlprnft> i see
16:01 <spidey> i think you're both full of shit
16:01 <spidey> lol
16:01 <Vanhayes> good imput spidey
16:01 <spidey> xD
16:04 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i don't get the crash :(
16:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: can i have your cockpit file?
16:05 <spidey> pwn!
16:05 <wrtlprnft> maybe it has something to do with that
16:05 <wrtlprnft> it just wasn't displaying any cockpit for me
16:05 <Vanhayes> it happened before i that cockpit
16:06 <spidey> hey lucifer
16:06 <wrtlprnft> but for some reason it just won't crash...
16:07 <wrtlprnft> which might of course mean it's some sdl windows- only thing we can't record
16:09 <Vanhayes> Wait u didnt get the crash? did it end right after I was typing in gibberish?
16:09 <Vanhayes> and ill post my cockpit on the forums
16:09 <wrtlprnft> i went right to the end, yes
16:10 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: e'fkdsfkj';sldf
16:10 <wrtlprnft> Recording ends abruptly here, prepare for a crash!
16:10 <wrtlprnft> it didn't even crash :P
16:10 <Vanhayes> wow
16:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so if m and ft are both abbreviations for distance, why aren't they the same? why can't i write 10m and 10ft and 10distance and say the same thing?
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> because they don't all mean the same thing
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> but if you wrote ft > 10, then someone reading it knows you mean "more than 10 feet"
16:16 <[NP]Tangent> m = meters, ft = feet
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> what I type and what I say don't have to be the same thing
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> I never say, for example, "/me wants to eat dinner"
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> if I were going to say it, I would say "more than 30 frames per second"
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I wouldn't even say "fps", for the same reason I don't just say "m" or "ft" or "in"
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> or lbs, for that matter
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> all that matters here is that the person reading it knows what I mean, and if the person reading it doesn't know that framerate is measured in fps, then "fps > 30" and "> 30fps" doesn't make sense
16:18 <spidey> meh
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> besides all that, the "correct" way to say it is "framerate > 30 fps". You can't really leave out the word "framerate" either
16:18 <spidey> i changed my needle speed gauge to a bargauge O_o
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you do, you're not doing anything more or less correctly than I am :)
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16:26 <spidey> hey wrtl
16:27 <Vanhayes> I changed my speed guage to a vertical barguage
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16:27 <spidey> you know on the gauges....i made the speed one a bar gauge to,could i remove the colors green-red and make it just say the speed?
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> yes?
16:28 * spidey doesn't know what he's doing
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> um, if you don't want the bar, why not use a label instead?
16:28 <Vanhayes> well that woulndt really be a guage then
16:28 <spidey> so it's a wonder i got it turned to a bargauge >:P
16:29 * spidey slaps van
16:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: right, but many people don't even seem to know the difference between a metre and distance
16:29 <spidey> so
16:29 <Vanhayes> isnt a meter a measure ment of distance?
16:29 <spidey> instead of <BarGauge= "^in">
16:30 * wrtlprnft gently directs spidey to http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial
16:30 <spidey> make it <Label camera="^in">
16:30 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: metre is a unit for distance, yes
16:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: not quite, some more stuff is needed
16:30 <Vanhayes> Thats what i thought
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> and fps is a unit for framerate
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> although probably the correct unit is Hertz :)
16:30 <wrtlprnft> exactly
16:30 <spidey> yea wrtl,the data
16:31 <spidey> i just ment replace those lines
16:31 <wrtlprnft> ttp://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial#Label
16:31 <wrtlprnft> just change it to use the data source "player_speed"
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> so did luke-jr_ update his upload script to take cockpits now that we have a versioned dtd for him?
16:33 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft the cockpit file is on the forums now if you want it
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: Hz would be correct, yes, but fps shows what it's for and if you say "Framerate: 30Hz" .9 of all people who play arma wouldn't know what it meant
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes
16:33 <wrtlprnft> he did
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want to be pedantic, Hz is the correct unit, and fps is just a hack
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> so, fps > 30 Hz. Happy?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> no
16:34 <wrtlprnft> that would always be false
16:34 <wrtlprnft> 1fps > 30 Hz
16:34 <wrtlprnft> 1Hz > 30 Hz
16:34 <wrtlprnft> 1 > 30
16:34 <wrtlprnft> false
16:35 <wrtlprnft> framerate > 30 Hz
16:35 <wrtlprnft> or T > 30Hz if you like
16:36 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: talk to luke-jr_ to get an account on his resource server :)
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> what's that in SI units?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, 1Hz = 1/s
16:36 <Vanhayes> ok
16:36 <wrtlprnft> s being a SI unit
16:36 * wrtlprnft notes that m and s are actually units for the same thing
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right. seconds are both SI and English units, one of those weird ones that changes.
16:37 <Vanhayes> hmm impact meters are completely useless in non-local games
16:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: they aren't
16:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: if you're trying to outgrind someone on BF fortress, it's good to see if you succeeded before you crash
16:37 <Vanhayes> they are, they dont tell the correct distance due to lagg
16:37 <wrtlprnft> if you didn't succeed you can still turn away, better than dying
16:38 <wrtlprnft> they don't tell you the distance anyways
16:38 <wrtlprnft> they tell you the time
16:38 <Vanhayes> er thats what i meant
16:38 <wrtlprnft> just multiply the time by the speed of light and you get distance :P
16:39 <Vanhayes> anyway I still have 3 but they are on, off by default
16:42 <wrtlprnft> still no crash :(
16:43 <wrtlprnft> #later tell joda* can you try playing back Vanhayes' recording on windows?
16:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:43 <Vanhayes> ill try to crash it and see how long it takes
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's going to be something windows-only, I'm sure
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if we could get Vanhayes to run a debuggr on it
16:44 <Vanhayes> how would I do that?
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, it would be nice if we could grab a backtrace and save it in the recording
16:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: good luck ;)
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, first you need to be sure the build has debug symbols in it. :) I don't know if it does.
16:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: definitely, or better: always grab a backtrace
16:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> then you need to find a debugger and run it.
16:44 <wrtlprnft> but you can still get function names
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok then you need to build it. Ever build software before?
16:45 <wrtlprnft> if we can just find out the function it happened in it would already help
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16:45 <wrtlprnft> #later tell joda* http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63311#63311
16:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> did you try running the recording in wine, by any chance?
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft, that is
16:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, i didn't
16:45 * Lucifer_arma doesn't have wine installed at the moment
16:45 <Vanhayes> done
16:45 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that version will even run in wine..
16:45 <wrtlprnft> trying
16:45 <Vanhayes> that was simple
16:46 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: does the recording crash for you?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> like, if you play it back?
16:46 <Vanhayes> um it closes exactally where I got the crash if that is what u mean
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so the recording causes it to crash
16:47 <wrtlprnft> wd-40's hax0r paint skills aren't enough to save the image as png :P
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully that means someone can play it back in a debug build in a debugger to get a backtrace :)
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> haha
16:47 <Vanhayes> it takes less than 5 seconds to crash it
16:47 * wrtlprnft goes download the windows build
16:48 <Vanhayes> um and it set my screen size/ screen resolution back to 640 x 480
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's the crash recovery system
16:48 <Vanhayes> ok
16:49 * wrtlprnft wonders if we could get that system to disable itself after a few successful starts/exits
16:49 <wrtlprnft> then it obviously won't be the graphics card
16:49 * Lucifer_arma thinks it should be fairly straightforward to make it work better anyway
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> just add a "has ever run at this resolution" config item and mark safe ones as they get used
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> and if it crashed on a known safe resolution, pick another known safe resolution
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
16:50 <Vanhayes> hmm got ghab to try it and he didnt get crashed
16:50 * Lucifer_arma smiles peachily knowing how nearly impossible that is right now
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> ghab running in windows, too?
16:50 <Vanhayes> yes new alpha too
16:53 <wrtlprnft> omg
16:53 <wrtlprnft> it started the installer by itself!
16:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
16:53 * [Xpert]DarkStar in bed
16:53 <wrtlprnft> night
16:53 <Vanhayes> um tried it with standard cockpit and it still crashed
16:53 <Vanhayes> night [Xpert]DarkStar
16:54 <Vanhayes> damn now bugfarm is full
16:56 * wrtlprnft is impressed
16:56 <Vanhayes> with??
16:56 <wrtlprnft> armagetron actually runs on wine without any glitch, it seems
16:56 <wrtlprnft> even a relatively good framerate
16:57 <spidey> cool O_o
16:57 <wrtlprnft> let's see what it does with the recording...
16:57 <Vanhayes> what is reltively good? 30, 40?
16:57 <spidey> 30 40 what?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> about 50, but at 640xX
16:58 <wrtlprnft> the only glitch is that there are no default key bindings
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i had to set them myself
16:58 * wrtlprnft goes play a round on BF fortress
16:59 <Vanhayes> I think it is full
17:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i tried CT and it hung on map download
17:01 <wrtlprnft> whatever, it should still playback your recording
17:05 <wrtlprnft> same problem with your recording on wine... won't crash :(
17:06 <Vanhayes> weird
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that probably means some internal crash in SDL or something we can't record...
17:06 <spidey> O_o
17:07 <spidey> i broke the time/fps/thingy
17:07 <spidey> :))
17:07 <wrtlprnft> does it happen if you press certain key combiniations?
17:07 <Vanhayes> meh it is obtrusive anyway
17:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it says time/framerate
17:07 <spidey> no
17:07 <spidey> <Text value="Time/Fps/Timestamp" />
17:07 <spidey> i broke it xD
17:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:08 <spidey> ahh
17:08 <spidey> nvm i fixed it
17:08 <spidey> i kept trying to load it before saving
17:08 <spidey> heh
17:08 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft It does it when ever I hit random keys really fast
17:08 <Vanhayes> and just sometimes when i am talking
17:08 <spidey> to get the posistions right i save/load to see where it is :p
17:08 <wrtlprnft> they're kinda weird at first, yes.
17:09 <wrtlprnft> and yeah, that's my method too
17:09 <Vanhayes> actually, not when I hit the keys, when i hit enter
17:09 <Vanhayes> ya spidey that is the easiest way to do I think
17:09 <spidey> hehe
17:09 <spidey> my fps in windowed mode went from 59 to 95
17:10 <spidey> must have done something right O_o
17:10 <Vanhayes> lol
17:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:10 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's just that table that slows you down
17:10 <wrtlprnft> table handling is far from perfect right now
17:10 <Vanhayes> I think it is
17:10 <spidey> i took all of it out
17:10 <wrtlprnft> it has to re- calculate all widths all the time
17:10 <spidey> except the data for time and fps
17:11 <Vanhayes> same
17:11 <spidey> i think i'll take the AM PM thing out to
17:11 <Vanhayes> it doesnt crash when I press just enter really fast
17:11 <spidey> i can look out side to see if it's day or night xD
17:11 <Vanhayes> and just have military time?
17:11 <Vanhayes> lol
17:11 <spidey> no
17:12 <spidey> it'll be normal time
17:12 <spidey> just without the am/pm :p
17:12 <wrtlprnft> normal time = 24h
17:12 <spidey> no
17:12 <spidey> 12h
17:12 <spidey> 24 is military
17:12 <wrtlprnft> stupid time = am/pm
17:12 <Vanhayes> nah
17:12 <wrtlprnft> military time= 1000
17:12 <spidey> O_o
17:12 <wrtlprnft> without the :
17:12 <Vanhayes> fine then 24 h time
17:12 <Vanhayes> am pm is easyer to learn tho
17:13 <Vanhayes> only have to count to 12
17:13 <spidey> damn it
17:13 <spidey> all the people left mbc,now i have to find a new server to test :|
17:13 <Vanhayes> bugfarm in spec is good for fps testing
17:13 <Vanhayes> lots of ppl
17:13 <spidey> yea
17:13 <spidey> just went there
17:14 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: well, i learned to count to more than 12 quite some time ago
17:14 <spidey> i can't count past 10
17:14 <spidey> unless i use my toes
17:14 <Vanhayes> yes but when u are first learning it
17:14 <spidey> then 24
17:14 <Vanhayes> ew
17:14 <wrtlprnft> then 12h is the wrong thing for you
17:14 <spidey> lmao
17:14 <wrtlprnft> you may want a system that goes from 1 to 6
17:15 <wrtlprnft> maybe AAM, APM, PAM, PPM?
17:15 <Vanhayes> er forget all what I said about that client crash
17:15 <Vanhayes> I found out what it was
17:16 <Vanhayes> i was hitting either asdfgh after I pressed enter, asdfgh are my music keys
17:16 <Vanhayes> er without pressing enter*
17:16 <wrtlprnft> AAM = 2400-0559, APM = 0600-1159, PAM = 1200-1559, PPM=1800-2359
17:16 * spidey prepares to break the score thing :s
17:16 <wrtlprnft> aaah
17:16 <Vanhayes> f key did it
17:16 <wrtlprnft> so f always breaks?
17:16 <Vanhayes> so did a key
17:17 <wrtlprnft> or if you hit it often enough?
17:17 <wrtlprnft> and what is it bound to?
17:17 <Vanhayes> i think they are switch tracks keys
17:17 <spidey> oi
17:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's your area :)
17:17 <spidey> i broke it :s
17:17 <Vanhayes> i just have to hit either of them once
17:17 <wrtlprnft> the score thing is hackish right now, once we get a formula parser it'll get better
17:18 <Vanhayes> what score thing? the me: you: thing?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: then unbind them for now and wait for Lucifer_arma to fix it
17:18 <Vanhayes> ok
17:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: the me: Top:
17:18 <Vanhayes> ya that is it, heh
17:18 <wrtlprnft> AKA the useless gauge
17:18 <spidey> i like it
17:18 <spidey> i'ma put it under fps
17:18 <Vanhayes> u would
17:18 <spidey> :/
17:19 <Vanhayes> heh
17:21 <spidey> O_o
17:22 <spidey> that was more errors than all the others combined :s
17:23 <Vanhayes> ok I gotta go cya
17:23 <Vanhayes> #night
17:23 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
17:24 <Vanhayes> #goodbye
17:24 <armabot> Goodbye Vanhayes :(
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17:29 <spidey> weird
17:38 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:42 <spidey> this is strangely fun xD
17:43 <wrtlprnft> "new test on Bugfarm: laser beams and flying cycles with force fields!"
17:43 * wrtlprnft wants that!
17:43 <spidey> LOL
17:43 <wrtlprnft> ok, louven talked about it, he should implement it now!
17:43 <spidey> hahah
17:43 <spidey> damn :/
17:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes, 0.3.0 cockpits should be uploadable
17:46 <luke-jr_> provided they verify, of course
18:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: mind giving vanhayes an account?
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19:15 <spidey> *note to self...clean dirty ass room and do something other than the computer tomorrow*
19:22 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
19:22 <spidey> i would punch you in the fucking eye
19:22 <spidey> LOL
19:22 <spidey> spidey says:
19:22 <spidey> mmhmmm
19:22 <spidey> that's what all the ho's say
19:22 <spidey> then it's all like *POW*
19:22 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
19:22 <spidey> LMAO
19:22 <spidey> spidey says:
19:22 <spidey> then it's all like "YES MR SPIDEY I'M SO SORRY!!! SEX ME NOW!"
19:22 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
19:22 <spidey> lmao @ sex me now
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> haha, more examples of doublebinding: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> ===========================
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that last one isn't double-binding, nevermind
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19:55 <wrtlprnft> :P
19:55 <wrtlprnft> \_||/Z_S\/'^'\
19:57 <wrtlprnft> -------z__s-----
19:57 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --nolimit
19:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:53:09] <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that last one isn't double-binding, nevermind, [19:52:56] <Lucifer_arma> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\, [19:52:45] <Lucifer_arma> ===========================, [19:51:14] <Lucifer_arma> haha, more examples of doublebinding: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||, [16:51:20] <Lucifer_arma> ghab running in windows, too?, [16:51:09] * Lucifer_arma (29 more messages)
19:58 <Your_mom_arma> oh....(/me pretends to understand)
19:59 <Your_mom_arma> did i type that out loud?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma is referring to http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4951
19:59 <Your_mom_arma> haha
20:00 <wrtlprnft> and i was offering more examples of double binding
20:01 <Your_mom_arma> ? <- thats an interesting character
20:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:01 <wrtlprnft> i only sent ascii chars...
20:03 <Your_mom_arma> is there anything wrong with van s cockpit file or can i try it?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> works fine for me
20:04 <wrtlprnft> it was just for analyzing some crash that doesn't happen for me
20:05 <wrtlprnft> he uploaded a recording and it didn't crash for me where it did for him
20:05 <wrtlprnft> so i asked him for his cockpit, maybe that caused the crash, but it didn't
20:09 <Your_mom_arma> works fine for me interesting layout
20:09 <Your_mom_arma> there used to be a comma in there
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20:10 <wrtlprnft> comma?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: do you have an account on luke-jr_'s resource thingy?
20:10 <Your_mom_arma> no
20:10 <wrtlprnft> if you do you can upload your cockpit there :)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> then bug luke-jr_ to give you one or finally make a registration script
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> mine is pretty boring
20:11 <wrtlprnft> the one you posted a screenshot of? the one with all the bar gauges?
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
20:11 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=61861
20:12 <wrtlprnft> that one you could upload, and the one you use right now
20:12 <wrtlprnft> the more the better :)
20:13 <wrtlprnft> If they're all online i'll make a wiki page with screenshots and the console commands you need to use them :)
20:13 <Your_mom_arma> is there any way to make the bar gauge look like the original one?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> what original one?
20:14 <Your_mom_arma> with a blue'ish needle and a bold red caption
20:14 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial#NeedleGauge
20:14 <wrtlprnft> change the foreground color to the color you want the needle to be and use color codes for the caption
20:15 <Your_mom_arma> okay
20:15 <wrtlprnft> look at wrtlprnft/classic-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml ;)
20:15 <spidey> O_o
20:16 <spidey> i know i forgot to add sometihng
20:16 <spidey> but i'm not sure what
20:16 <spidey> wrtl your cockpit makes me die O_o
20:16 <wrtlprnft> if you don't notice, never mind :P
20:17 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you know you can turn off the map, right?
20:17 <spidey> mmm
20:17 <spidey> remove it from the cockpit file?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> no
20:17 <spidey> :/
20:17 <wrtlprnft> go to misc->global keyboard config
20:17 <wrtlprnft> bind cockpit key 1
20:18 <wrtlprnft> and then you can use that key to switch the map on and off
20:18 <wrtlprnft> infact, i have it off most of the time
20:18 <wrtlprnft> cockpit key 2 dims the regular 3d rendering if you just wanna play by map
20:20 <wrtlprnft> why the heck is it compiling all of arma again?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> I just typed make run to test Your_mom_arma's cockpit...
20:22 <spidey> i'm playing with it
20:22 <spidey> :p
20:23 <spidey> mm
20:23 <spidey> i keep getting
20:23 <spidey> loading xml file failed
20:24 <spidey> oh myfault
20:24 <spidey> i have to many versions of tron installed :/
20:24 <spidey> oi
20:25 <Your_mom_arma> how many?
20:25 <spidey> 4
20:25 <spidey> maybe 5
20:26 <spidey> http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/408/untitled2ho1.jpg
20:26 <spidey> what's that mean
20:26 <spidey> O_o
20:27 <wrtlprnft> that means your cockpit's header is wrong...
20:27 <spidey> there we go
20:28 <wrtlprnft> or no
20:28 <spidey> something happened to my cockpit.dtd file
20:28 <spidey> i replaced it
20:28 <wrtlprnft> and it means i'm amazed you can read that font ;)
20:28 <spidey> hahah
20:29 * wrtlprnft thinks we should really forbid \ as path separator in config items
20:32 <wrtlprnft> btw what do you guys think about the *DEAD* thing? Too obstrusive? First thing i do with every installation i use for playing is replace it by just '+' or '*'
20:39 <Your_mom_arma> spidey did you type testguage-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml or did you rename it?
20:39 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl to tell you the truth .3 is unplayable it constantly crashes for me
20:40 <Your_mom_arma> i have to download the new one still
20:40 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i did type that, why?
20:41 <wrtlprnft> or, actually i echoed it into my user.cfg using tab completion on the zsh prompt ;)
20:42 <Your_mom_arma> huh
20:43 <wrtlprnft> echo COCKPIT_FILE Yo<tab>te<tab> >> ~/.ar<tab>/var/user.<tab>
20:44 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl you lost me
20:44 <wrtlprnft> probably :P
20:45 <wrtlprnft> or, second
20:45 <wrtlprnft> ah, you asked spidey that
20:45 <wrtlprnft> not me
20:45 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with testgua
20:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [20:39:44] <Your_mom_arma> spidey did you type testguage-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml or did you rename it?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> nvm
20:47 <Your_mom_arma> in spidys pic he typed cockpit_file anonymous\testgauge.xml instead of cockpit_file Your_mom/testguage-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
20:47 <wrtlprnft> spidey is a lazy bastard
20:47 <wrtlprnft> :P
20:47 <Your_mom_arma> assuming he placed the cockpit file in /your_mom
20:48 <wrtlprnft> although i don't get what's circular about that gauge...
20:49 <Your_mom_arma> i was going to make it circular but got lazy, right now its just kind of a proof of concept
20:49 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:50 <wrtlprnft> but it looks interesting :)
20:50 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=3381
20:50 <Your_mom_arma> thats the one that im using now
20:52 <spidey> mom
20:52 <spidey> i didn't
20:52 <spidey> i placed it in anonymous
20:52 <spidey> and named it testgauge
20:52 <spidey> :p
20:52 <Your_mom_arma> oh ok
20:53 <spidey> because like wrtl said,i'm a lazy bastard
20:53 <wrtlprnft> don't let luke-jr_ know that :P
20:53 <spidey> luke-jr_, i'm a lazy bastard :o
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21:07 <Your_mom_arma> brb or mabey not
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21:11 <wrtlprnft> #wtf sic
21:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sic: nothing appropriate
21:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
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21:15 <Your_mom_arma> this sucks... i had to choose between gaim working and gimp working
21:16 <Manta> thats an easy choice
21:16 <Your_mom_arma> which one would you choose?
21:18 <Manta> toung in cheek, I rely heavily on both, but since I use otr and gaim encription I guess thats the one I couln't easily replace
21:19 <wrtlprnft> i'd choose gimp, gaim is an element of the set of all sucking programs
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21:24 <wrtlprnft> SUCKING_PROGRAMS n PROGRAMS_THAT_WRTL_KNOWS n PROGRAMS_THAT_WRTL_DIDN'T_FORGET = { ie, windows, office, gaim, firefox, gltron }
21:27 <Your_mom_arma> looks like a cheap workaround is to use portable gaim, link explaining error etc. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1395574&group_id=235&atid=680472
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21:45 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from Your_mom --with crash
21:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1083 messages.
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: did you try the new windows alpha build?
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with crash
21:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [20:40:23] <Your_mom_arma> wrtl to tell you the truth .3 is unplayable it constantly crashes for me
21:48 <Your_mom_arma> i just downloaded it
21:49 <spidey> ()_<>
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> I"d choose gimp too, there are other IM clients
21:50 <Your_mom_arma> im trying the work around so hopefully i can have both
21:51 <spidey> kopetate or w/e is pretty good
21:52 <Manta> I'd certainly agree with you, other than it took me monthes to get my friends to convert to encription, lol, it would look bad if I were the one to back out
21:53 <spidey> lol
21:53 <wrtlprnft> yay, looks like my name hilighting is working :)
21:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft,
21:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey,
21:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah, like that
21:54 <wrtlprnft> just gonna add a setting item for that and commit ;)
21:54 <wrtlprnft> err, what color would you like it to be?
21:54 <spidey> mine's yellow
21:54 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: still crashes
21:54 <wrtlprnft> currently it's some tone of read
21:54 <spidey> on a black background
21:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yellow won't do good, the text already is yellow
21:55 <spidey> my text is white :/
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> :(
21:55 <Your_mom_arma> spidey i found the problem you had
21:55 <spidey> white text/black background/yellow highlight
21:55 <Manta> something non obtrusive, just so it diferitenteats
21:55 <wrtlprnft> i'm talking about arma, and all i can do easily is change the color
21:55 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, which one?
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> can you highlight the name with the user's preferred cycle color?
21:55 <Your_mom_arma> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "AATeam/cockpit-0.3.0.dtd">
21:56 <wrtlprnft> currently it's the same tone of red you get when someone leaves the game
21:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i was thinking about that, but dropped the idea
21:56 <spidey> oh
21:56 <spidey> i fixed it
21:56 <Your_mom_arma> replace the old one in the xml
21:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that wouldn't make the name stick out if you're on team gold...
21:56 <Your_mom_arma> bbiab
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21:57 <spidey> me too
21:57 <spidey> i' got some work to do
21:57 <spidey> school work :/
21:57 <wrtlprnft> have fun
21:57 <spidey> you're helping me with the math if it's hard >:P
21:58 <wrtlprnft> feel free to ask as long as i'm awake...
21:58 <spidey> lol
21:58 <spidey> shouldn't have to i've got A's in all the tests except one
21:58 <spidey> i made a 58,but retook it and got a A
21:59 <wrtlprnft> pfft
22:00 <spidey> lol
22:00 <spidey> gah
22:00 <spidey> i reminds me
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22:00 <spidey> i haven't touched my math packets this semister
22:00 <spidey> and i have to give proof of doing 4 pages a day
22:00 <spidey> @_@
22:00 <wrtlprnft> so, you guys are ok with red?
22:00 <Your_mom_arma> red?
22:00 <wrtlprnft> 0xff8888
22:00 <wrtlprnft> the red you get when someone leaves
22:01 <Your_mom_arma> yea... , why?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> no, for name hilighting
22:01 <Your_mom_arma> for what?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> in arma
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: like that
22:01 <spidey> how you change the colors ?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> insert color codes into the chat string?
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> im still lost (color codes are lost oms)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> see
22:02 <wrtlprnft> you have tab completion now in arma
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> red's fine for me, it's what konversation uses by default so I'm used to it
22:02 <spidey> ohhhh
22:03 <wrtlprnft> I'll just commit it, see if people whine
22:03 <spidey> you mean recompiling it with the color hex?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> and you can always disable it
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> see if people whine? that's like seeing if water's wet...
22:03 <spidey> bah,i tried compiling it on windows and it's hopeless O_o
22:03 <Your_mom_arma> btw what exactly is tab completion?
22:03 <spidey> Your_mom_arma,
22:03 <spidey> that
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> You press the first couple of letters of someone's name, then press tab and it finishes it up automatically
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> Try typing "wrt<tab>"
22:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> ahh
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> okay
22:05 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> tab completion + name highlighting makes it a lot easier to actually converse with someone in a room with a lot of different conversations going on
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf
22:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
22:05 <wrtlprnft> arma crashes if i enter ct fortress
22:05 <wrtlprnft> but not if i run it in gdb
22:05 <spidey> why do places give you a book to test on,but you already know it...i mean i've made a 100 on everyone of these packets....but if the book isn't wrote in they won't take it....but you can write down a bunch of shit and be able to test on it
22:05 <spidey> if i was graded on the book i would have a 0! xD
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> evidently you haven't done the English packet yet
22:06 <spidey> i have
22:06 <spidey> they only grade the book on english and math
22:06 <spidey> the other packets they don't even look at
22:07 * spidey has straigh 100s in history ;x
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> who is "they"? i thought you were homeschooled....
22:07 <spidey> i am
22:07 <spidey> but
22:07 <spidey> basically i teach my self
22:07 <spidey> do the book
22:07 <spidey> goto the christian gateway school thingy
22:07 <spidey> and test on it
22:07 <spidey> get more books if i pass
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, so it's the Christian Gateway School Thingy that is "they who grades your shit"?
22:08 <spidey> yea
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> presumably they're also the ones that'll give you a diploma or something like that?
22:08 <spidey> yes
22:08 <spidey> and help me get my license
22:08 <spidey> but
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I get it. :)
22:08 <spidey> i won't be in it much longer
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> license = driver's license?
22:08 <spidey> when i turn 17 i'm dropping out
22:08 <spidey> yea
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> since when do rednecks need driver's licenses?
22:08 <spidey> :/
22:09 <spidey> first of all
22:09 <spidey> i'm not a redneck....i have a tan...not a sunburn
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> crt tans don't count
22:09 <spidey> second of all i can drive,but if i don't want tickets i'm getting my license
22:09 <spidey> :p
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I drove for a year with a suspended license....
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, I've done a lot of driving without a license and only ever got 1 ticket for it. :/
22:10 * Lucifer_arma has gotten tickets for everything you can possibly get that's not a moving violation
22:10 <spidey> sounds like my dad
22:10 <spidey> know where he is? :p
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> prison?
22:11 <spidey> yer
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I spent the last 6 months trying to find a way to ride shotgun with my wife's, ummmm, air-headed driving because I didnt' have a license
22:11 <spidey> lol
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> of course, with any luck, tomorrow I"ll be back in my car (and I've been licensed since mid-May again)
22:12 <spidey> they say old people drive slow
22:12 <spidey> my grandma does 80 all the way to town
22:12 <spidey> in a 65
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't count on a highway
22:12 <spidey> not a highway really
22:12 <spidey> well it is
22:13 <spidey> but not alot of traffic
22:13 <wrtlprnft> ok, committed to 0.3.0, please test it
22:13 <spidey> windows build?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> none yet
22:13 <wrtlprnft> just in svn
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> see, old people drive slow on streets with sidewalks--when they're not driving on the sidewalks directly
22:13 <spidey> k,tell me when you got one :p
22:13 <spidey> hahahaha
22:13 <spidey> well
22:13 <spidey> on a backroad
22:13 <spidey> my other grandma got a ticket for doing 70 in a 45
22:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the next build will be announced on the forums... z-man makes them
22:14 <spidey> k
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> like the street I take to get to the highway I use to go to school. It's a 45, curvy, no stop signs or stop lights, and the old people that live back there do 30-35 on it
22:14 <spidey> lol\
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if I don't use cruise control, I usually scream through at 60+. Luckily both my wife's car and mine have cruise control.
22:15 <spidey> lol
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a fun little road. :) If there weren't so many damn pedestrians, it'd be well worth it to get the speeding ticket.
22:15 <spidey> hahaha
22:15 <spidey> my grandma's got a 93 toyata camery
22:15 <spidey> i think it's 93
22:16 <spidey> anyways,it's a small car but it'll move xD
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> v6?
22:16 <spidey> yer
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's car is a 97 camry with a v6. :)
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> fucker moves, too.
22:16 <spidey> hehehe
22:16 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
22:16 <spidey> hell yea
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> okay i move that the problem is the hud
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> my kids always tell me to go faster, they like acceleration :)
22:17 <spidey> hahha
22:17 <spidey> i used to be scared of high speed untill i was like 13
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, can't keep it down that long or we're screaming
22:17 <spidey> when i was about 7 my stepdad had a 85 camero
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> i destroy var and everything starts to work fine
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, that's different
22:18 <spidey> you talking about scaring the shit outta a kid @_@
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> camaro's feel like they're going to come apart around you
22:18 <spidey> yea
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> but those camry's are tough little cars, and they feel nice and solid
22:18 <spidey> then i used to go places with my aunts boyfriend in her car
22:18 <spidey> she had a 5.0 mustang
22:18 <spidey> :|
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the 93-96 camry are among my favorite cars :)
22:19 <spidey> from the time i was 7-13 i hated them 2 people,lol
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> pop in an auto exec with custom cam settings and cockpitfile and blamo crashes again
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh. Mustangs are for people who think looking fast is fast
22:19 <spidey> ya
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's the camera?
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22:19 <spidey> but,my cousin had a 5.0 mustang
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> try it without the camera but with the cockpit...
22:20 <Your_mom_arma> ok
22:20 <spidey> he rebuilt it for drag racing
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can get them going pretty fast, and there's lots of good aftermarket parts for them
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it might help to get your custom cam settings/a recording
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> but of all the cars to pick, wouldn't you want to start with a car tht was worth a shit to begin with?
22:21 <spidey> mmm
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I used to work for a guy that had a Mitsubishi Gallant VR4 that he managed to get down to 13 second quarter mile and he still hadn't tore into the engine itself yet
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> and that's a pretty shitty car :)
22:22 <spidey> :o
22:22 <spidey> my step dad had this motor cycle
22:22 <spidey> was a big bastard
22:22 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: if it's a crash within the cockpit or the cam it'll most likely be on the recording
22:23 <wrtlprnft> different than the sound problem vanhayes had those things don't use any external libs
22:23 <spidey> it was clocked at 180.....there was this station wagon that whooped its ass
22:23 <spidey> had a corvette engine in it :/
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> some of those old station wagons are actually good cars for hotrodding, I'm surprised people don't use them more often
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:23 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> they come with the same v8s that the fancy sportscars had, and they have frames nearly as strong as truck frames, but with a low center of gravity
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> blah, hotrodding's not for me. :) I'm more interested in converting my car to an electric car. That's much cooler than making it go fast.
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> ok im betting its the cockpit now
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> Any idiot can make it go fast, but it takes real talent to make it run on electricity :)
22:26 <spidey> hehe
22:26 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
22:26 <spidey> I am about to get a tattoo, what should I get?
22:26 <spidey> spidey says:
22:26 <spidey> me
22:26 <spidey> Die u stupid a hole! says:
22:26 <spidey> pfft LMAO
22:26 <spidey> its going to be a little one
22:26 <spidey> I would like to see some one put your fat ass head on me
22:26 <spidey> spidey says:
22:26 <spidey>
22:26 <spidey> my head is not fat
22:26 <spidey> wtf!
22:26 <spidey> :(
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> did I miss something?
22:27 <spidey> it's a msn convo i'm having lol
22:28 <Your_mom_arma> luci problem = cockpit
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: got a recording? Or a cockpit file?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I really need to check out the 0.3.0 branch, I guess
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe this is the same crash vanhayes is having after all
22:29 <spidey> umm
22:29 <spidey> i redid my cockpit
22:29 <spidey> and it doesn't crash
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> only he says it had nothing to do with his cockpit, it crashes on all cockpits he tried
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> if i use default cockpit file, no crash at all. change cockpit and blamo
22:29 <spidey> i changed mine :/
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> when does it crash? this is the crash when you elave local game crash, still?
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
22:30 <spidey> mm
22:30 <spidey> does it do it with your cockpit?
22:30 <Your_mom_arma> spidey you have a custom cockpit file on right now?
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> can you try it with wrtlprnft's and my cockpits?
22:31 <spidey> yes i do
22:31 <spidey> want me to try it with yours?
22:31 <Your_mom_arma> go to a local game play a round then esc leave grid
22:32 <spidey> ahah
22:32 <spidey> it does it
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> post your cockpit file?
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> er, you did post it already, didn't you
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:32 <Your_mom_arma> no
22:32 <spidey> who?
22:32 <spidey> huh?
22:32 <Your_mom_arma> but it should work with any cockpit file that isnt the standard one if im correct
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> try mine and wrtl's, they come with the game
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> Mine is Lucifer/sick/playroom-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
22:34 <spidey> why alll the long as snames :/
22:34 <spidey> i rename all of mine and put them in the /
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> dont' expect that to keep working :)
22:34 <spidey> awe
22:34 <spidey> why not :(
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> the filepath spec comes from On High
22:35 <Your_mom_arma> hmm luci's didnt crash
22:37 <Your_mom_arma> vanhays didnt crash
22:37 <Your_mom_arma> mine still did tho
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> can you post yours?
22:38 <spidey> maybe we did something wrong in it?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> this is kinda good news, actually. :) We can release with a crash that only happens for some cockpits. If wrtlprnft can track it down in time for this release, fine.
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> If not, we can have it fixed for 0.3.1. :)
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> But you'll need to put your cockpit where he can get at it...
22:44 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63551#63551
22:46 <Your_mom_arma> luci do you have a way to see if it works or is arma still hosed on your system?
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> not hosed anymore, I just need to checkout the 0.3.0 branch and build it
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my list, but I'm feeling about to pass out right now :(
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> if I"m up for much longer, I'll do the checkout, but man I'm tired
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> did my brakes today, then we had to run all over town getting shit signed so we can register my car and get the check from the insurance company
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course, this was all after school ;)
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> tomorrow I need to put the tire on my car that my wife brought home.
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> For future reference, Discount Tire patches tires for free. :)
22:49 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
22:49 <spidey> is brokes even a word :/
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> do questions end with question marks
22:50 <spidey> no
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> and, oh yeah, I'm pretty sad that I have to determine where my car's leaking now before I can put my computer in it,
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> since there was about half an inch of water right where I intended to put the computer
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> obviously I need to plug the leak before the computer project can continue :(
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> or find a new location for it. I guess I could put it under the driver's seat instead...
22:52 <spidey> lol
22:56 <spidey> http://www.armagetronad.net/downloads.php
22:56 <spidey> This has been the tagline of Armagetron, since, well, a very long time, and is probably the shortest and most accurate description possible. Tron was an arcade game based on the movie of the same name, release by Disney in 1982. The original game consisted of 4 sub-games, the only one of concern is the 'Light Cycles' one, in which the player uses a left/right joystick to control a 'Light Cycle' which leaves a wall behind it whe
22:56 <spidey> rever the cycle it goes, turning only at 90 degree angles. The player must then get the AI to crash into their wall while avoiding hitting the AI's own wall themselves. Those were the humble beginnings of Armagetron Advanced's game play, which has now blossomed into 16 player mayhem, with highly advanced AI, network game play, and of course all in a 3D environment.
22:56 <spidey> O_o
22:56 <spidey> that was posted on my soldat forums
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> "highly advanced AI" haha
23:20 <spidey> heh
23:20 <spidey> i dunno,that Armagetron bot is fucking hard to beat
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> seriusly?
23:21 <spidey> :|
23:21 <spidey> i dunno who posted that
23:21 <spidey> i think i'ma remove it
23:21 <spidey> cause soldat is full of pricks
23:21 <spidey> that's the last thing tron needs more of
23:22 <spidey> unless you want me to leave it,and get moer of them :p
23:22 <spidey> imagen another psyko O_O
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> heh
23:25 <spidey> woot
23:25 <spidey> page 22 of 39
23:25 <spidey> then i gotta start on math
23:26 <spidey> or maybe not and do math next weel :?
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23:29 <Lucifer_arma> it can be hard to beat bots with tactics designed for humans
23:30 <spidey> heh
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23:38 <spidey> x-chat crashed :o
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00:15 <spidey> 2 more pages :|
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00:40 <spider_> bah
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning everyone
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://paddy-so.no-ip.org/~pso/render1.png
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> muhar :D
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gimp rox
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00:54 <spider_> O_o
00:54 * spider_ wants to use that as his ceiling or floor
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00:56 <spider_> mm
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01:44 <spider_> ahahah
01:44 <spider_> what do you say to a girl that asks "would you still love me if i had a dick"
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01:52 <spidey> boo
02:05 <guru3> of all the lousy things todo
02:05 <guru3> transcription today :(
02:09 <spidey> pwn?
02:09 <spidey> you could just put it all off on lucifer
02:10 <guru3> ...
02:10 <guru3> hooked up an external keyboard to lappy tho
02:10 <spidey> talking to myself
02:10 <spidey> xD
02:11 <guru3> mmm kay
02:11 <guru3> ack keyboard just went crazy
02:12 <spidey> lol
02:12 <guru3> goddamn
02:12 <guru3> keyboard stopped working
02:14 <guru3> and it's back
02:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma ? O_o
02:25 <guru3> gah this sucks
02:25 <guru3> i'm gonna have to listen thru every interview
02:25 <guru3> to find out which ones aren't done
02:25 <guru3> to do them
02:26 <guru3> 47 minutes left on downloading the interviews :(
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02:38 <spidey> O_o
03:25 <[NP]Tangent> spider_ what do you say to a girl that asks "would you still love me if i had a dick" <-- in spidey's case, he's say he loved her even more :>
03:26 <spidey> :o
03:26 <[NP]Tangent> :D
03:26 <[NP]Tangent> sup spidey?
03:27 <spidey> not much
03:27 <spidey> you?
03:33 <[NP]Tangent> just working on a bzflag server
03:33 <[NP]Tangent> might try to set up an AA server while I'm at it
03:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I respond to new accounts within 24 hours.
03:43 <guru3> damn transcription
03:43 <guru3> headphone cable keeps getting in the way :(
03:49 <luke-jr_> O.o
03:49 <guru3> of the keyboard
03:50 <luke-jr_> I'm on all IM services ATM
03:50 <luke-jr_> so if aabeta has any problems, let me know
03:50 <luke-jr_> will be migrating it to the new server sometime today probably
03:51 <luke-jr_> though it might be the last website, seeing that it requires suPHP and I should consider a Svn migration
03:52 * luke-jr_ stabs Kopete for crashing again
03:55 <guru3> i hope my laptop doesn't crash from voerheating again
03:55 <guru3> that wuld suck
03:55 <luke-jr_> probably
04:04 <guru3> 160/2712 seconds done :(
04:04 <guru3> of the first file only
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07:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok, i guess i missed something
07:45 <joda_bot> ?
07:46 <wrtlprnft> woot opera 9 is iut
07:46 <wrtlprnft> *out
07:46 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i meant mom's crashes
07:53 <joda_bot> mom's ? the link you send me pointed to a recording from van hayes
07:55 <wrtlprnft> i know
07:55 <wrtlprnft> it's another crash
07:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: so where is mom's crash ?
08:00 <wrtlprnft> no clue
08:00 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63541#63541
08:00 <wrtlprnft> that't the cockpit file he says it happens wirh
08:00 <wrtlprnft> *with
08:00 <wrtlprnft> but it won't happen for me
08:12 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: are there still problems with the OpenGL state ?
08:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do we have a recording of a problematic case ?
08:14 <joda_bot> hm, I probably won't see it anyway, so I'll just have to look at the font rendering lines ... Should I look at more than the Font and the Map ?
08:15 <wrtlprnft> that should be fine for now, i think
08:16 <wrtlprnft> looks like the bug only occurs with this one cockpit
08:16 <wrtlprnft> and i don't think there's a recording, unfortunately
08:37 <wrtlprnft> the question about the font is, what kind of units does it expect? I'm doing some weird scaling there, probably it just happens to work on my system, maybe other systems need a different factor
08:57 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: FTGL has some metric written down somewhere
08:58 <joda_bot> I guess it maps one 1.0 GL unit to 1.0 point (font)
08:58 <joda_bot> But I'm not 100% sure I remember that correctly
08:58 <joda_bot> in the z = 0 plane
09:01 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: that was my guess too, when i looked at it
09:01 <wrtlprnft> then, why does it appear too big on some cards?
09:03 <guru3> DPI?
09:03 <wrtlprnft> i think points == pixels in this case
09:04 <wrtlprnft> but yeah, that might be a reason
09:04 <guru3> it's been the cause of miniature fonts on my screen before
09:04 <wrtlprnft> maybe one dot happens to be a pixel on my screen...
09:05 <wrtlprnft> then, how do i get the pixels per dot or something like that via opengl?
09:05 <guru3> the dots per inch?
09:05 <guru3> beats me
09:05 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: any clue?
09:06 <wrtlprnft> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/19/1558220&from=rss
09:06 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:18 <spidey> my dogs killed a rabbit O_o
09:19 <guru3> woo?
09:19 <spidey> no cause now i have to clean guts off the porch
09:19 <wrtlprnft> poor thing
09:20 <guru3> but on the bright side
09:20 <wrtlprnft> get a hamster instead of dogs!
09:20 <guru3> free meal :D
09:20 <spidey> well
09:20 <spidey> this brings the death total to
09:20 <spidey> 1 rabbit
09:20 <spidey> 1 deer you could call bambi
09:20 <spidey> 1 groundmole
09:20 <guru3> just you wait until they meet
09:20 <guru3> the monty python rabit
09:20 <spidey> a few fish (fuck if i know they was on the pourch)
09:21 <spidey> hmm
09:21 <guru3> then your dogs will be pwnt muahahaha
09:21 <spidey> a squirrel
09:21 <spidey> they've killed a snake too
09:21 <spidey> and to top it all off,they're only 6 months old xD
09:21 <guru3> buahahaha
09:22 <wrtlprnft> you probably won't have much wildlife around your house in a few months :P
09:22 <guru3> so young yet so experienced
09:22 <spidey> now i gotta train them to bit my brother on command
09:22 <wrtlprnft> wait until they go for the big kill... a spider!
09:22 <spidey> bote*
09:22 <spidey> :o
09:22 <spidey> bite***
09:22 <spidey> they're loyal dogs :p
09:22 <spidey> black labs
09:23 <guru3> must be pretty big already
09:23 <spidey> besides the fact they jump on me :|
09:23 <spidey> yea,they're big for there age
09:23 <spidey> and gonna keep growing O_o
09:24 <guru3> microscopy
09:24 <guru3> is a crap word to spell
09:24 <spidey> lol
09:24 <spidey> don't remind me of spelling
09:24 <guru3> and type
09:24 <spidey> i've got to go test on it today >.>
09:24 <guru3> every time it pops up in my transccription
09:24 <guru3> it completely throws me off
09:24 <guru3> microscopy
09:24 <guru3> microscopy
09:24 <spidey> lol
09:24 <guru3> miscroscopy
09:24 <guru3> microscopy
09:24 <guru3> practicing spelling it
09:25 <guru3> microscopy
09:25 <guru3> microscopy
09:25 <guru3> miscrosopy
09:25 <spidey> you're just pressing the up arrow :p
09:25 <guru3> it's a lot easier when you're not trying to remmeber what someone is saying
09:25 <guru3> no i'm not
09:25 <guru3> i can actually type the damn word in 2 seconds
09:25 <spidey> #_#
09:25 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: How many Harvard MBA's does it take to screw in a light bulb? || A: Just one. He grasps it firmly and the universe revolves around him.
09:25 <spidey> shutup
09:25 <guru3> at that rate only 30wpm ><
09:26 <wrtlprnft> i love that smiley spidey
09:26 <wrtlprnft> #_#
09:26 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What is green and lives in the ocean? || A: Moby Pickle.
09:27 <guru3> anyone have an atomic force microscope?
09:30 <spidey> omg!
09:30 <spidey> my grandma called my mom who called my grandma to call me and bitch me out cause my grandma woke me up 5 hours early and i'm still tired
09:30 <spidey> :|
09:30 <spidey> who called my other grandma*
09:31 <spidey> i replied "my books are done people leave me the fuck alone"
09:31 <spidey> now i'm waiting to get bitched at again :|
09:34 <guru3> time to go home
09:34 <guru3> bbl
09:34 <spidey> brb got rabbit guts to clean >.<
10:05 <spidey> bah
10:39 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: : did we agree on a tab size ? (except that tabs are not used for indentation?)
10:39 <wrtlprnft> tab size?
10:39 <joda_bot> are tabs allowed in language/*.txt ?
10:39 <joda_bot> one tab = 4 spaces ?
10:39 <wrtlprnft> uh, 8 spaces please
10:39 <joda_bot> 8 ?
10:39 <wrtlprnft> and use make rebeautify :)
10:40 <joda_bot> what does that use for tabs 8 spaces ?
10:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I can't run make rebeautify ;)
10:40 <wrtlprnft> it's the usual standard? If you use tabs somewhere not at the beginning of a line you need a standard
10:40 <joda_bot> I've got no Tools for that installted
10:41 <wrtlprnft> not standard as in RFC, but as in established standard
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10:41 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: it's the windows standard most code projects use 1 tab = 2 or 4 spaces (because it does not waste so much space)
10:41 <joda_bot> it = 8spaces=1tab
10:42 <wrtlprnft> the best thing to do is to not use tabs anywhere but at the beginning of a line
10:42 <wrtlprnft> at the beginning of a line it doesn't matter :)
10:42 <wrtlprnft> my editor is set up to use 4 spaces when i press tab, but if 8 spaces accumulate replace it by a tab
10:44 <joda_bot> ok, I'll check make beautify to see what the rule might be
10:45 <wrtlprnft> make beautify only applies to .cpp and .h
10:45 <wrtlprnft> but it totally re- indents the code according to fixed rules, methinks
10:45 <wrtlprnft> ask phil* for details, he invented the thing :)
10:45 <joda_bot> I prefer using tabs all the time, because the indention level is pretty clear (at least at begining of the line)
10:46 <wrtlprnft> as i said, i don't care about tabs at the beginning of a line
10:46 <joda_bot> ah ok ;)
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10:46 <wrtlprnft> it's within a line where different tab sizes mess everything up
10:46 <wrtlprnft> i know i wanted to ask z-man something, but i forgot what :(
10:48 <wrtlprnft> can't have been important, i guess... hi anyways :)
10:48 <z-man> hi
10:48 * z-man is watching the video of todays match and is unavailable :)
10:49 <wrtlprnft> aaah ok
10:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like we'll end up with gauda :( so ein k�se
10:56 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man will probably be in a good mood afterwards ;)
10:56 * joda_bot just finished watching ;)
10:57 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: armagetronad uses astyle's default c mode ... that means 1 tab = 4 spaces
10:57 <joda_bot> an tabs are always replaced by spaces, except in strings etc. of source ;)
10:58 <joda_bot> hm, perhaps we should let astyle run on the server, that way each commit is formatted correctly :)
11:01 <wrtlprnft> i run make devcheck if i don't forget it before committing
11:01 <wrtlprnft> and it seems to create the same visual output as my editor, it just doesn't contain anymore spaces
11:02 <wrtlprnft> s/spaces/tabs
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11:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: if svn can call scripts like cvs before commit, we might move the commit time formatting to the server (which means that any commit is formatted as needed)
11:13 <wrtlprnft> if sf allows that
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11:55 <Vanhayes> hmm I have no clue why my name was linda...
11:56 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i'm posting the screenshot right now, don't bother
11:56 <wrtlprnft> unless you have a really good one ;)
11:56 <Vanhayes> ?
11:56 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63801#63801
11:56 <Vanhayes> SS of what?
11:56 <Vanhayes> ok
11:57 <Vanhayes> wow 6 ppl downloaded it already
11:57 <wrtlprnft> i downloaded it twice :P
11:58 <Vanhayes> heh
11:58 <Vanhayes> ugh, prom party is one of the best nights of the school year, the next morning sucks really bad tho
11:59 <wrtlprnft> put your cockpit, mom's two, spidey's, and ed's cockpit on the repository and we already have 9 to choose from :)
11:59 <Vanhayes> so anyone with .3 can use those?
11:59 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:59 <Vanhayes> nice
11:59 <wrtlprnft> with one simple command
12:00 <wrtlprnft> like COCKPIT_FILE Vanhayes/mycockpit-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
12:00 <Vanhayes> sweet
12:00 <Vanhayes> er wait do I have an account on there now?
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if luke-jr_ told you the password
12:00 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: luke-jr_
12:01 <Vanhayes> He didnt, not yet anyway
12:01 <wrtlprnft> and you need to change the author from Anonymous to Vanhayes
12:05 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
12:05 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
12:06 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:06 <armabot> spidey: 19:05:55 up 59 days, 19:11, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.10, 0.08
12:06 <Vanhayes> #u
12:06 <armabot> spidey: 19:06:11 up 59 days, 19:11, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.09, 0.08
12:06 <wrtlprnft> woo, almost 2 months now
12:06 <Vanhayes> #u vanhayes
12:06 <armabot> spidey: 19:06:21 up 59 days, 19:11, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.09, 0.08
12:06 <Vanhayes> heh
12:06 <wrtlprnft> it's always the uptime of my server
12:07 <Vanhayes> why does it say spidey?
12:07 <wrtlprnft> because it's supposed to annoy him
12:08 <Vanhayes> lol
12:08 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
12:08 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
12:08 <wrtlprnft> (because he always has fun pasting his uptime in here)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> so i created a more efficient command :P
12:08 <Vanhayes> lol
12:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-05/0677.shtml
12:13 <joda_bot> ok this more or less kills pre-commit formatting
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12:15 <wrtlprnft> the server could just refuse to acceppt the commit if it's not properly formatted ;)
12:15 <Vanhayes> why does my name go to linda....
12:16 <wrtlprnft> because you set that as 2nd name in your client?
12:16 <wrtlprnft> because your username on your OS is linda maybe?
12:17 <Vanhayes> I didnt,But I think my mom,named linda, was using IRC yesturday...
12:19 * wrtlprnft is gonna play a match or 2 on BF fortress
12:19 * wrtlprnft notes this usually ends up in 90mins of nonstop playing
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12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I use 4 spaces per tab, and I replace tabs with spaces
12:38 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: that's the correct setting concerning astyle ;)
12:38 <joda_bot> concering = according to
12:41 * joda_bot has not learned not to press STRG+SHIFT+ESC to call the taskmanager while playing tron ;)
13:17 <spidey> bah
13:17 <spidey> that is annoying
13:17 * spidey slaps wrtl
13:17 <spidey> anyways
13:17 <spidey> i pwnt my test
13:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
13:20 <armabot> +
13:22 * wrtlprnft sl_aps spidey
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13:22 <spidey> lol
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13:24 <Vanhayes> #canada
13:24 <armabot> 4
13:24 <spidey> #vanhayes
13:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
13:24 <Vanhayes> bah
13:24 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
13:24 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
13:24 <spidey> lol
13:24 <wrtlprnft> z-man: thanks for merging, now i can actually test the features i added to 0.3.0 ;)
13:24 <wrtlprnft> #canada
13:24 <armabot> 4
13:25 <z-man> np
13:25 <spidey> O_o
13:25 <spidey> #poke z-man
13:25 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
13:25 <z-man> I hope you did test them a bit before you committed :)
13:25 <spidey> :/
13:25 <z-man> #anvil
13:25 <z-man> hmm
13:25 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think you fixed that in 0.2.8, but the menus flicker strangely between rounds
13:26 <z-man> The fix should be merged any minute now :)
13:26 <z-man> Just had to run devcheck.
13:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i did test, of course, but only with test situations. I didn't actually go play for an hour and use it
13:26 <z-man> That's enough testing.
13:27 <z-man> I also put Sumo back on the trunk, so my changes to 0.2.8 or 0.3.0 get only tested there after merging.
13:27 <wrtlprnft> but real names people use sometimes have nasty surprises
13:27 <z-man> Oh yeah.
13:28 <wrtlprnft> oh, and as you probably read from my changelog, don't bother adding any network stuff for name hilighting
13:28 <wrtlprnft> long live std::string :)
13:28 <wrtlprnft> it was a breeze to add
13:29 <wrtlprnft> but the serverside cockpit callback stuff is still missing
13:29 <z-man> What serverside cockpit callback? For round count and round score limit and all that?
13:29 <spidey> wrtlprnft, mycockpit? O_o all i did was edit the standard to how i like it o_O
13:30 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yes, and for number of unconquered fortress zones etc
13:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: how big are your changes?
13:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: the idea was that the client can "order" the data by name, and then the server sends updated data everytime it changes
13:31 <spidey> not really big,moved the score/ping/enamies$friends/and changed the speed bargauge into like a digital clock
13:31 <spidey> O_o
13:31 <wrtlprnft> that's enough :)
13:31 <wrtlprnft> it's all about choice
13:32 <z-man> I see, do you need help with the networking there?
13:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that's what i meant
13:32 <spidey> ohhhh
13:32 <spidey> i know something
13:32 <wrtlprnft> we already talked about that some time ago
13:32 <z-man> yes. /me dimly remembers
13:32 <spidey> on the xzl sometimes it rejects my connection
13:32 <spidey> sometimes it accepts it
13:32 <spidey> on .3
13:32 <z-man> BTW, the merged changes are now active on Sumo.
13:32 <spidey> works fine on 2.8.2 :s
13:32 <wrtlprnft> rejects with what reason?
13:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, what changes?
13:33 <wrtlprnft> it only affects the client
13:33 <spidey> server terminated our connection?
13:33 <z-man> all of todays changes
13:33 <z-man> some affect the server, too
13:33 <z-man> Ah, your changes are only clientside. I forgot about that.
13:33 <wrtlprnft> ah, you mean the filter thing?
13:33 <z-man> Yes.
13:34 * z-man goes off for dinner
13:34 <wrtlprnft> buon appetito
13:35 * spidey feeds z-man to his man eating dogs #_#
13:36 <wrtlprnft> #_#
13:36 <armabot> Random Fortune: "`If there's anything more important than my ego around, I || want it caught and shot now.'" || - Zaphod.
13:36 <spidey> lol
13:36 <spidey> ##
13:36 <armabot> Random Fortune: The following two statements are usually both true: || There's not enough documentation. || There's too much documentation. || -- Larry Wall in <199709020026.RAA08431@wall.org>
13:36 <spidey> #
13:36 <spidey> mmmm?
13:36 <spidey> #help #
13:36 <armabot> spidey: (# <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<f $*>>
13:36 <wrtlprnft> #___________________#
13:36 <armabot> Random Fortune: Bender: Grab a shovel. I'm only one skull short of a Mousketeer reunion.
13:36 <spidey> O_o
13:36 <spidey> #list alias
13:36 <armabot> spidey: #, 42, add, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, (1 more message)
13:36 <wrtlprnft> it ignores the _, it seems
13:36 <spidey> yea
13:36 <spidey> #___42
13:37 <armabot> spidey: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
13:37 <wrtlprnft> #4_2
13:37 <spidey> O_o
13:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
13:37 <wrtlprnft> #alias add _ f
13:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:37 <wrtlprnft> bah
13:37 <wrtlprnft> #alias add "_" "f"
13:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:37 <spidey> #a_r_m_________________________________a_b_o_________________________t
13:37 <armabot> spidey: [eightball]
13:37 <spidey> huh?
13:37 <spidey> lol
13:37 <wrtlprnft> #eightball
13:37 <wrtlprnft> gah
13:37 <wrtlprnft> too old version of armabot
13:38 <spidey> pTc
13:38 <Vanhayes> #f
13:39 <armabot> Random Fortune: Using the Force, Yoda effortlessly frees the X-Wing from the bog. || Luke Skywalker: || I don't believe it. || Yoda: || That is why you fail.
13:39 <spidey> #c
13:39 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|FortressP
13:39 -!- spidey|FortressP is now known as spidey|Fortress
13:39 <Vanhayes> # armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
13:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: []
13:39 <Vanhayes> what is the point of that?
13:39 <spidey|Fortress> lol
13:39 <Vanhayes> #scare
13:39 <armabot> BOO!
13:39 <spidey|Fortress> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
13:39 <wrtlprnft> it's adding more \\\ with every restart of armabot
13:39 <armabot> spidey|Fortress: []
13:40 <wrtlprnft> probably doubling the amount every time
13:40 <Vanhayes> why is it there tho?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> maybe someone made an alias for armabot:?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> then it became armabot\:
13:40 <wrtlprnft> then it became armabot\\\:
13:40 <spidey|Fortress> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:echo pwn
13:40 <wrtlprnft> then it became armabot\\\\\\\:
13:41 <wrtlprnft> then it became armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
13:41 <wrtlprnft> etc
13:41 <spidey|Fortress> #armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\: wn
13:41 <armabot> spidey|Fortress: []
13:41 <spidey|Fortress> ()_()
13:42 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
13:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 51 seconds ago saying: <ghableska> hi
13:42 <wrtlprnft> :(
13:43 <wrtlprnft> #missed ghableska
13:44 <wrtlprnft> #missed ghableska
13:44 <armabot> we all miss you wrtlprnft! RIP!
13:44 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:44 <wrtlprnft> #missed ghableska
13:44 <armabot> we all miss you ghableska! RIP!
13:44 <Vanhayes> huh/
13:44 <Vanhayes> ?
13:45 <Vanhayes> o nevermind
13:45 <wrtlprnft> #missed n54
13:45 <armabot> we all miss you n54! RIP!
13:45 <Vanhayes> #missed armabot
13:45 <armabot> we all miss you armabot! RIP!
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> #missed my weiner
13:46 <armabot> we all miss you my weiner! RIP!
13:46 <wrtlprnft> #missed deja_vu
13:46 <armabot> we all miss you deja_vu! RIP!
13:46 * wrtlprnft hides
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> #missed my teddy bear
13:46 <armabot> we all miss you my teddy bear! RIP!
13:47 <deja_vu> *.*
13:47 <deja_vu> aw xD
13:47 * wrtlprnft is still hiding
13:47 <deja_vu> good for you
13:48 <deja_vu> ;)
13:48 * wrtlprnft goes around deja_vu and approaches him from behind
13:48 * wrtlprnft pokes deja_vu
13:49 <deja_vu> wa
13:49 * wrtlprnft listens to deja_vu scream in surprise
13:49 * wrtlprnft runs away
13:49 * deja_vu hits wrtlprnft around with an armabot Oo
13:57 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: you there?
14:03 <Vanhayes> ya
14:04 <wrtlprnft> you two figure out how to get Vanhayes' map onto luke-jr_'s repository ;)
14:05 <Vanhayes> what map?
14:05 <wrtlprnft> s/map/cockpit file
14:05 <Vanhayes> O
14:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: send a pm to luke :)
14:05 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: PM me a password and author name on the forum
14:06 <Vanhayes> ok
14:06 <spidey|Fortress> wrtlprnft, what's that wiki cockpit link?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> sec
14:07 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial
14:07 * wrtlprnft wonders if anyone but me and Lucifer_arma ever bothered to read the whole thing
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 18 pages printed with my settings
14:07 <Vanhayes> heh I read most of it
14:08 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> some parts are a bit ... verbose ...
14:08 <spidey|Fortress> awe
14:08 <Vanhayes> #dict verbose
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: verbose adj : using or containing too many words; "long-winded (or windy) speakers"; "verbose and ineffective instructional methods"; "newspapers of the day printed long wordy editorials"; "proceedings were delayed by wordy disputes" [syn: {long-winded}, {tedious}, {windy}, {wordy}]; gcide: Verbose \Ver*bose"\, a. [L. verbosus, from verbum (3 more messages)
14:08 <spidey|Fortress> there's no data string for "team" points?
14:09 <wrtlprnft> spidey|Fortress: not yet
14:09 <wrtlprnft> next version
14:09 <spidey|Fortress> k
14:09 <luke-jr_> verbose means -v
14:09 <wrtlprnft> they'll be called top_score_team and current_score_team and i'll add them as soon as the next alpha goes out
14:09 <spidey|Fortress> i wanna add them to the top right table xD
14:09 -!- pso [n=pso@84-74-43-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #armagetron
14:09 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-43-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["leaving"]
14:09 -!- pso is now known as [Xpert]DarkStar
14:10 * Lucifer_arma hasn't read the whole cockpit tutorial
14:10 <wrtlprnft> you wrote it :
14:10 <wrtlprnft> P
14:10 <spidey|Fortress> i haven't even read it
14:10 <spidey|Fortress> i was looking for a data string :p
14:10 <Vanhayes> lol
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:10 <luke-jr_> how about max([team].score) and me.team.score =p
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> can't have . in function names
14:11 <spidey|Fortress> lol
14:11 <wrtlprnft> something like that is planned
14:11 -!- Niii_ is now known as Niii
14:11 <wrtlprnft> i wanna go for closestPlayer.speed and me.speed etc
14:11 <wrtlprnft> so there's one callback that returns a player and then a second callback gets some data from that player
14:12 <luke-jr_> I'm sure we can find a logical way to do that without specifying a sepecific closestPlayer variable
14:12 <spidey|Fortress> i was windering
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> windering?
14:12 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: let me know when you're done
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> farting, you mean?
14:12 <luke-jr_> #dict winder
14:12 <spidey|Fortress> is it possible for 2 cycles to have a head on collision O_o
14:12 <armabot> luke-jr_: wn, gaz-place, gazetteer, and gcide responded: gcide: Winder \Wind"er\, n. A blow taking away the breath. [Slang] [1913 Webster]; gcide: Winder \Wind"er\, v. i. To wither; to fail. [Obs.] --Holland. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Winder \Wind"er\, v. t. & i. [Prov. E. winder a fan, and to winnow. ?. Cf. {Winnow}.] To fan; to clean grain with a fan. [Prov. Eng.] [1913 Webster]; (4 more messages)
14:12 <spidey|Fortress> wondering*
14:12 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_, I'm done
14:13 <luke-jr_> spidey|Fortress: yes
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> he was cleaning grain with a fan
14:13 <spidey|Fortress> i've tried,but never happened
14:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey|Fortress: it's not possible
14:13 <spidey|Fortress> i mean we where both on the same line and everything
14:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey|Fortress: they just pass thru each other
14:13 * spidey|Fortress pokes luke-jr_
14:13 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ok, you're in
14:13 <Vanhayes> thx
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we working out cycle_width, then yes, but nobody liked that idea, remember?
14:14 <luke-jr_> spidey|Fortress: I dunno, it requires being pretty head-on from what I understand
14:14 <spidey|Fortress> Lucifer_arma, i don't like it :p
14:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it won't work, i tried it with maps
14:14 <spidey|Fortress> but the other experaments i liked
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> wel, you have to ahve it for a head-on collision
14:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: z-man said it would, IIRC =p
14:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it doesn't work yet
14:15 <wrtlprnft> i if i'm not totally wrong
14:15 <luke-jr_> 'would' meaning 'if you could get accurate enough'
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, if just walls had width we could do it pretty easily without cycle width, I think
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> it would still be hard, but probably close enough for government work
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how hard would it be to have wall width?
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, did anybody manage to replicate Your_mom's crash with his cockpit?
14:16 <spidey|Fortress> yea
14:16 <spidey|Fortress> it does it on the one i edited
14:17 <spidey|Fortress> but not the origonal
14:17 <spidey|Fortress> O_o
14:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i didn't get it to crash, need a recording :(
14:17 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
14:17 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
14:17 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: wall width is almost the same as cylce width, the difference is only the rendering
14:18 <z-man> we could, in fact, visualize cycle width as wall width.
14:18 <spidey|Fortress> so,if you try to fit through something small your tail rips off? O_o
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> that could be pretty cool. Have your tail start up again when you get out of the little space
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> then you could go back and forth down the same tunnel :)
14:19 <spidey|Fortress> hehe
14:19 <z-man> Err, no, that would be a little too complicated right now :)
14:19 <spidey|Fortress> lol
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> why is this thing just not updating? :(
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> kde build failed
14:20 <spidey|Fortress> pwn?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> what package?
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> is this the sort of crap that happens when you don't update in 2 months?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> yes
14:20 <z-man> Dunno, I never update for half a year
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, it's not in my buffer anymore. I'm running emerge sync again
14:20 <z-man> works for me
14:20 <spidey|Fortress> what should i host,8 player fortress or a freestyle O_o
14:20 <z-man> Deathmatch!
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> dunno, but I'm going to host 8 player fortress :)
14:21 <spidey|Fortress> k i'll do my old settings
14:21 <spidey|Fortress> if i can find them
14:21 <spidey|Fortress> :/
14:21 * wrtlprnft hosts an 8 player fortress
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> probably with a little cycle_width thrown in, and a setup designed to prevent the initial grind from being useful
14:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey|Fortress: host a server with laser beams and flying cycles with force fields
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see what people dream up to do if they can't grind :)
14:21 <spidey|Fortress> is that even possible?
14:22 <spidey|Fortress> you make it i'll host it :p
14:22 <z-man> You could modify the startup formation to be really wide
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was thinking without hacking the server, you know :)
14:22 <wrtlprnft> can you modify it at all?
14:22 <z-man> Sure :)
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> got so much on my plate without adding more todos for arma :)
14:23 <spidey|Fortress> why not set rubber to 2.5 and add cycle width?
14:23 <wrtlprnft> i meant without hacking, of course
14:23 <spidey|Fortress> that'd get rid of grinds :p
14:23 <wrtlprnft> maybe just make cycle width the same width as the start distance?
14:23 <z-man> The startup formation is configurable via SPAWN_WINGMEN_*
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> it is?
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> since when? ;)
14:24 <z-man> about 0.2.8.0
14:24 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63491#63491
14:24 * Lucifer_arma probably should read changelogs from time to time
14:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey|Fortress: that's why i said that
14:24 <spidey|Fortress> brb gotta hook my keyboard upto the other computer to edit the server :/
14:24 <spidey|Fortress> bah
14:24 <spidey|Fortress> i fuckin hate Oscilloscope
14:24 <wrtlprnft> me too
14:25 <spidey|Fortress> he does this little paper clip shit and calls everyone else camping when they drive around him
14:25 <spidey|Fortress> fucker
14:25 <wrtlprnft> that's why i want a server with laser beams and flying cycles with force fields
14:25 <z-man> Heheh
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> without singling him out, I'm just getting irritated that whenever someone posts with "<this> would be neat", there's this little chorus of people that have to jump in with "THAT SUCKS!!!"
14:26 <z-man> Maybe we can get Tank to make naysaying illegal there?
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> censorship = bad
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather they come to their senses :)
14:27 <z-man> They usually do after Tank gets angry :)
14:27 * wrtlprnft looks at that little episode with pixel and silly
14:27 <spidey|Fortress> LOL
14:28 * spidey|Fortress pokes guru3 #_#
14:28 -!- spidey|Fortress is now known as spidey
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to think maybe Fortress was a bad idea. People are so addicted to it they seem to be genuinely afraid of anything that might change it.
14:28 <guru3> spidey: why
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, you want me to cook my coke and then smoke it? NO WAY!"
14:28 <spidey> cause
14:28 <spidey> :p
14:29 <guru3> >:(
14:29 <spidey> :D
14:29 * spidey huggles guru3
14:29 <spidey> O_o
14:29 * Lucifer_arma wonders what a "huggle" is
14:29 <spidey> lol
14:29 <z-man> Naah, it was a good idea. Just look at CT Fortress, they are hugely successful with variations of the theme
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know. they could probably throw cycle_width on there and people would love it. :)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: on some maps, yes
14:30 <spidey> z-man, you just gotta put up with psyko :p
14:30 <wrtlprnft> i think bf should have rotating settings, too
14:30 <spidey> a perm. experamental change might get rid of him O_o
14:30 <wrtlprnft> every hour another experiment
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> no he doesn't. Just turn cycle_width back on and psyko will never bother him again (after an initial explosion)
14:30 <z-man> Yeah, that would give broader test coverage
14:31 <wrtlprnft> and have normal settings for at least 50% of the time
14:31 <spidey> brb!
14:31 <z-man> But right now, I want the settings the way they are. I'm hoping to catch some more phasing bugs.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> do whatever is worst for the bugs
14:31 <wrtlprnft> poor spidey
14:32 <z-man> Spiders aren't bugs.
14:32 * wrtlprnft never figured what a phasing bug actually is
14:32 <wrtlprnft> they aren
14:32 <wrtlprnft> 't?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> they aren't insects, i know
14:32 <z-man> Depends on your definition of bug.
14:32 <wrtlprnft> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&search=bug
14:32 <z-man> Bugs, for me, need a hard shell and at least pseudowings.
14:33 <wrtlprnft> according to that bugs indeed aren't spiders
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> nah, bugs have 6 legs, food has eight legs
14:33 -!- spidey_ [n=spidey@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> or 4, or 2
14:33 <spidey_> Composite extension not found
14:33 <spidey_> You must use XOrg ? 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work.
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> but food doesn't have 6 legs
14:33 <spidey_> Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X
14:33 <spidey_> O_o
14:33 <wrtlprnft> but here people commonly use the word bug for moscitoes
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm. bugs are unidentified insects :)
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> if you know it's a mosquito, then it's not a bug, right?
14:34 * spidey_ is not a bug!
14:34 <wrtlprnft> there's bugspray that can only work for mosquitoes
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> man, any day now that ant pile is going to start building a skyscraper
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> then it's not bugspray, it's mosquito spray
14:35 <wrtlprnft> you sure those aren't z-man's ants?
14:35 <z-man> I didn't send them over.
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure, they were there before z-man's got out
14:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:35 <z-man> besides, those aren't my ants!
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it started as a little refugee camp
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually looking big enough that I might need to take measures of my own to deal with it
14:35 <z-man> You could lay a trail of sugar to somewhere far.
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, too much rain right now for that :(
14:36 <z-man> Minaturize yourself and enter it with a flamethrower?
14:36 <wrtlprnft> put an immigration limit onto it?
14:36 <wrtlprnft> or birth rate limit, whatever
14:36 <spidey_> root@1[Desktop]# bash armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu(2).package
14:36 <spidey_> -su: syntax error near unexpected token `('
14:36 <spidey_> #_#
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should just try to negotiate with them, I don't want to destroy them
14:37 <z-man> Uh, that one is new.
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the problem is the (2) in the name
14:37 <z-man> ah
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> rename it to get rid of the parenthesis and try again
14:37 <spidey_> ah
14:37 <spidey_> works
14:37 <spidey_> i accidently downloaded it twice :/
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> we see that :)
14:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: any chance you can get that cockpit uploaded soon? I wanna start that wiki page :)
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> what stupid browser decided to insert shell-unfriendly characters in the filename? :(
14:38 <wrtlprnft> opera does that, too
14:38 <spidey_> firefox
14:39 <wrtlprnft> it's a bug in the script imho
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> I hate to say it, but Konqueror does it too :(
14:39 <spidey_> mmm
14:39 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't crash because of that and properly put $0 in "" :)
14:39 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, er I'm having trouble trying to upload it
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> bug in what script?
14:39 <spidey_> now where did this install to :/
14:39 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: what error?
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> the script isn't having a problem with it, bash is having a problem with the filename. So it's a bug in bash?
14:39 <Vanhayes> ERROR: Invalid filepath generated. Path segments cannot begin with a period, nor are backslashes allowed. "category" may not begin with, end with, nor contain two consecutive slashes. Oh, and author/name/version aren't allowed to be null!
14:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you need to edit it
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmm? paths can't begin with a period? I thought we were trying to allow hidden directories?
14:40 <wrtlprnft> <Resource type="aacockpit" name="vanoriginal" version="0.0.1" author="Anonymous" category="">
14:40 <wrtlprnft> that should become something like
14:40 <wrtlprnft> <Resource type="aacockpit" name="vanoriginal" version="0.0.1" author="Vanhayes" category="">
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> <Resource type="aacockpit" name="vanhomosexualsl" version="0.0.1" author="Vanhayes" category="">
14:41 <wrtlprnft> #_#
14:41 <armabot> Random Fortune: I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than || 10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't. || -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center
14:41 <Vanhayes> #Lucifer
14:41 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
14:41 <wrtlprnft> #wrtl
14:41 <wrtlprnft> :(
14:41 <Vanhayes> lol
14:41 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
14:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
14:42 <Vanhayes> er forgot spidey changed that
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> haha
14:42 <spidey_> gimme the name of a config file that comes with the dedicated server install
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> settings_dedicated.cfg ?
14:42 <spidey_> k
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> why?
14:42 <spidey_> cause i lost my install dir
14:42 <spidey_> lol
14:42 <spidey_> found it
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/local/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated ?
14:43 <spidey_> root@1[Desktop]# locate settings_dedicated.cfg
14:43 <spidey_> /usr/etc/games/armagetronad/settings_dedicated.cfg
14:43 <wrtlprnft> /usr/etc ?!
14:43 <wrtlprnft> what bs
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> why?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> there's /etc, that's where config goes
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> you get a symlink there, don't you?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> if there is one
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's running the autopackage, and that's actually the Right Way for autopackaged software
14:45 <Lucifer_arma> because he could've installed it anywhere
14:45 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: thanks for uploading
14:45 <Vanhayes> np
14:45 <wrtlprnft> let's get some shots :)
14:45 <spidey_> #g 5/30
14:45 <armabot> spidey_: 5 / 30 = 0.166666667
14:45 <spidey_> #g 30/2
14:46 <armabot> spidey_: 30 / 2 = 15
14:46 <spidey_> #g 30/5
14:46 <spidey_> bah
14:46 <armabot> spidey_: 30 / 5 = 6
14:46 <spidey_> ty!
14:46 <spidey_> #g 30/4
14:46 <armabot> spidey_: 30 / 4 = 7.5
14:51 <spidey_> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///usr/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/settings_dedicated.cfg.
14:51 <spidey_> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
14:51 <spidey_> O_o
14:51 <wrtlprnft> probably no permission
14:51 <spidey_> i added my name in the "root" user group
14:52 <wrtlprnft> su -c "chgroup root file:///usr/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/settings_dedicated.cfg"
14:52 <wrtlprnft> su -c "chmod g+w /usr/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/settings_dedicated.cfg"
14:53 <spidey_> root@1[Desktop]# sudo chmod 777 /usr/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/settings_dedicated.cfg
14:53 <spidey_> :p
14:53 <wrtlprnft> that's a Bad Idea ^TM
14:53 <spidey_> why
14:54 <wrtlprnft> sudo chmod -R 777 /
14:54 <wrtlprnft> if you think it isn't
14:54 <wrtlprnft> that allows anyone to change the cockpit, no matter how he gains access
14:54 <spidey_> i only chmod'd that one file
14:54 <spidey_> reakky?
14:54 <spidey_> well
14:54 <spidey_> i run the server on nix
14:54 <wrtlprnft> not cockpit
14:54 <spidey_> and play on windows
14:54 <spidey_> gl to them :p
14:55 <wrtlprnft> i meant the config, of course
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, does cockpit_file get sent cross the network?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> no
14:55 <wrtlprnft> typo
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> also, spidey, don't edit settings_dedicated.cfg anyway
14:55 <wrtlprnft> i meant config
14:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: read the big comment in that file
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> create server_info.cfg and settings_custom.cfg in the same directory and edit those
14:55 <spidey_> i have
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14:55 <wrtlprnft> it'll save you work for updates
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> server_info.cfg should have stuff like server_name and stuff
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> settings_custom should have everything else
14:56 <spidey_> maybe later
14:56 <spidey_> i'm just testing settings right now
14:56 <wrtlprnft> you'll regret it with the next version
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> you can still do the old autoexec.cfg thing if you like, but if you put shit in settings_custom.cfg instead, you can INCLUDE it from everytime.cfg
14:57 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_387.png
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> which, technically, you could still do with autoexec.cfg.... heh :)
14:57 <wrtlprnft> is it just me or is that map a trapezoid?
14:57 * wrtlprnft pulls out kruler
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> look at the map file?
14:58 <wrtlprnft> no, i know it's a square
14:58 <wrtlprnft> but it looks like a trapezoid
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I was looking at using glOrtho to clip the map and just rendering the whole map and letting openGL deal with it
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> is there any reason not to use glOrtho for it?
14:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it is a perfect square, just an optic illusion
14:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not that i know of
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> also, I think the map that I want should be a new widget, Radar instead of map. It's different enough to be worth while
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> or so I think, anyway
14:59 <wrtlprnft> sure, why not?
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it makes sense to just have them as config items for the map and let people construct their own special maps with it...
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> also, can glOrtho be used that way? :) The docs didn't answer it for me...
15:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=381
15:00 <wrtlprnft> did i forget any cockpit?
15:01 <wrtlprnft> any cockpit that only requires one command to enable, that is
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> I see mine in there.... :)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> um, the standard cockpit has a different layout for incam, should you screenshot it separately that way?
15:02 <wrtlprnft> it's the same thing as yours, isn't it?
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> similar, but not the same. It's mine + the gauges people besides me actually use
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> and captions
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> mine doesn't have them :)
15:03 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'll add it
15:04 * Lucifer_arma loves his car
15:04 * Lucifer_arma has his car back, and he's very happy about it
15:04 <spidey_> 4534 for the port right?
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> yessir
15:05 <spidey_> started O_o
15:05 <spidey_> now i gotta piss,brb
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15:07 <spidey_> ok back to windows
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15:08 <Lucifer_arma> is your_mom's cockpit on the resource server?
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15:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not yet
15:09 * Lucifer_arma is finally building from 0.3.0 branch
15:09 <spidey> mmm
15:10 * Lucifer_arma is going to need to go to the store in a bit for sugar. Yay! I can drive my car! :)
15:11 <wrtlprnft> ...
15:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any reason the rubber gauge in the default incam cockpit goes from 0 to 1?
15:17 <spidey> any reason my camera brok O_o
15:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:17 <spidey> rgh when i uplugged my keyboard and repluged it it fuckd up
15:17 <wrtlprnft> what camera? a reallife one or an arma one?
15:18 <spidey> arma
15:18 <spidey> it won't get in a fix-ed posistion
15:18 <spidey> fcuk brb
15:18 <spidey> ok
15:18 <spidey> now i hope this fixed it
15:19 <spidey> which it did xD
15:19 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can you contact luke to get your cockpit onto the resource server?
15:20 <spidey> wtf
15:20 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
15:20 <armabot> spidey: 22:20:08 up 59 days, 22:25, 4 users, load average: 1.24, 0.55, 0.24
15:20 <spidey> login denied O_o
15:20 <wrtlprnft> now it's a bit buy :)
15:20 <wrtlprnft> *busy
15:22 <spidey> no
15:22 <spidey> i mean my server
15:22 <spidey> i can't login via admin
15:22 * wrtlprnft gives up on following all the ladle- related changes on the wiki, they're too crazy and unorganized
15:23 <spidey> BAH
15:23 <spidey> sbrb again
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15:26 <spidey_> O_o
15:26 <spidey_> you can't change settings via console?
15:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> you can change them, but they'll revert on restart
15:27 <wrtlprnft> most of them, that is
15:27 <spidey_> i know
15:27 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: that was me ;)
15:28 <wrtlprnft> not all of them
15:28 <wrtlprnft> yours are more or less organized
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15:28 <wrtlprnft> it's the kind of people that use a separate edit for every word they type
15:28 <spidey_> is there anything special i gotta do in linux to change settings in console?
15:30 <wrtlprnft> uh, no?
15:30 <spidey_> then it's not working :/
15:32 <spidey_> hmm
15:32 <spidey_> i CTRL+C'd out
15:32 <spidey_> it took me back to the shell
15:32 <spidey_> but i'm still seeing the server
15:32 <spidey_> and it's online
15:32 <wrtlprnft> then it probably started in background
15:33 <wrtlprnft> how did you start it?
15:33 <spidey_> bash serverstarter
15:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that won't give you the console
15:34 <wrtlprnft> set ADMIN_PASS and use a cliant :P
15:34 <spidey_> :/
15:34 <wrtlprnft> *client
15:34 <spidey_> i'm looking for the process so i can kill it
15:34 <spidey_> sec
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15:39 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated
15:39 <spidey> i got it
15:39 <spidey> :p
16:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list
16:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you add a description for your file?
16:01 <wrtlprnft> #later tell van* http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list <-- can you add a description for your file?
16:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:09 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63841&highlight=#63841
16:09 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me I'm dreaming... how's that supposed to help?
16:10 <wrtlprnft> beside the fact that i can't even play that MS format
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16:14 <wrtlprnft> #notes Vanhayes
16:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
16:14 <wrtlprnft> #notes Van*
16:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 13 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list <-- can you add a description for your file?
16:19 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: mswmm file seems broken to me
16:21 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is mswmm
16:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: mswmm: nothing appropriate
16:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
16:21 <wrtlprnft> bah
16:22 <wrtlprnft> probably something like ms windows multi media or some bs
16:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: It's a Windows Movie Maker Project file
16:25 <joda_bot> it probably lacks all resource data usually required for a movie as it's just the project file
16:25 <wrtlprnft> lol it's a project file?!
16:27 <joda_bot> http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=mswmm&Search=Search
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16:30 <spidey> arrrgh
16:30 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:30 <spidey> how do you disable teams again?
16:30 <spidey> teams_max 0 right?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> no
16:31 <wrtlprnft> a high number
16:31 <spidey> :/
16:31 <wrtlprnft> and players_max_per_team 1
16:31 <wrtlprnft> then every player has its own team
16:31 <wrtlprnft> that's what you want
16:31 <spidey> that's a unknown command
16:32 <wrtlprnft> whatever it's called exactly, be creative
16:33 <wrtlprnft> team_max_players
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16:57 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection sucks Van
16:57 <armabot> your connection sucks Van
16:58 <Vanhayes> -spidey test-?
16:58 <spidey> ??
16:58 <spidey> yea
16:58 <spidey> playing with the settings,but playing with cockpit right now
17:00 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: did you get my message?
17:00 <wrtlprnft> #notes
17:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Luke-Jr, and phil.
17:01 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, ya Ill do it some time today
17:01 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
17:05 <Vanhayes> wow Bugfarm fort is completely empty
17:05 <wrtlprnft> yeah, happens at this time usually
17:06 <wrtlprnft> maybe z-man's experiments scared too many people away
17:06 <Vanhayes> probly
17:07 <spidey> wrtl
17:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey
17:07 <spidey> is there anyway to get the text under a vertical bar?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> not yet, just use a separate label
17:08 <Vanhayes> make it a label not part of the bar
17:08 <spidey> k
17:10 <Vanhayes> argh
17:18 <Vanhayes> #babelize german english schweinhund
17:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: Pig dog
17:18 <Vanhayes> ha
17:23 <joda_bot> #babelize spanish english joda
17:23 <armabot> joda_bot: joda
17:23 <[NP]Tangent> #success make Vanhayes gay
17:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded. make Vanhayes gay
17:23 <joda_bot> #bebelize spanish english joder
17:23 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize spanish english chingar
17:23 <Vanhayes> #succes made [NP]Tangent gay
17:23 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: to to chingar
17:24 <joda_bot> #babelize spanish english joder
17:24 <Vanhayes> #success made [NP]Tangent gay
17:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded. made [NP] Tangent gay
17:24 <[NP]Tangent> chingar = to fuck
17:24 <armabot> joda_bot: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
17:24 <[NP]Tangent> #success made you straight again
17:24 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded. made you straight again
17:24 <[NP]Tangent> :D
17:24 <Vanhayes> ha
17:24 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german van
17:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Gep�ckauto
17:24 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german vanhayes
17:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: vanhayes
17:25 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german van-hayes
17:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Packwagen hayes
17:25 <joda_bot> #babelize spanish english joder
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> #babelize english spanish fuck
17:25 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: tomado
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> tomado
17:25 <armabot> joda_bot: when when when to joder
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> wtf
17:25 <Vanhayes> lol packwagon hayes
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> joder = vulgar way to say to bother, right?
17:25 <Vanhayes> lol packwagon haze
17:25 <Vanhayes> er
17:25 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german van-haze
17:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Gep�ck autoteam
17:25 <Vanhayes> #babelize english german vanhaze
17:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: vanhaze
17:26 <Vanhayes> #languages
17:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
17:26 <joda_bot> Tangent as far as ppl told me "joda" is a very polite fuck (either in spanish or portuise)
17:27 <[NP]Tangent> hm
17:27 <[NP]Tangent> afaik "chingar" is to fuck
17:27 * joda_bot fires up firefox ;)
17:27 <joda_bot> Various words in Spanish are synonyms with "fornicate," for example, coger (in Mexico and other regions only), chingar, joder etc. Many have similar meanings with other languages that are politically and geographically linked to Spanish, such as Italian, Portuguese, French and English.
17:28 <joda_bot> Quote wikipedia ;)
17:28 <joda_bot> http://www.spanishdict.com/AS.cfm?e=joder
17:28 <joda_bot> ;)
17:28 <joda_bot> It's a accident though
17:28 <joda_bot> I don't speak any spanish yet
17:29 <[NP]Tangent> work time
17:29 <[NP]Tangent> bbl
17:30 <joda_bot> gn8
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17:31 <spidey> O_o
17:31 <spidey> my rubber gauge went boom lol
17:31 <Vanhayes> ?
17:32 <spidey> -.73 xD
17:33 <Vanhayes> -.73 what? X, Y or height width?
17:34 <spidey> x="-.73" the first time it made my rubber bar go away second time it moved it a little O_o
17:34 <Vanhayes> lol weird
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> I thought joda was German for yoda
17:47 <spidey> ahahahh
17:47 <spidey> you remember that OMG you're such a fag instant chat key i have?
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> the one you made when I was playing as Gaymosexual?
17:47 <spidey> i accidently hit that key in mbc xD
17:47 <spidey> yea
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> did you get booted?
17:48 <spidey> no
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh, funny thing was that game was mostly old players all using fake names :)
17:49 <spidey> yea
17:49 <spidey> xevi man
17:49 <spidey> he's the master of name guessing
17:49 <spidey> no matter what name i use
17:49 <spidey> no matter how i play
17:50 <spidey> no matter how i talk
17:50 <spidey> he figures it out O_o
17:50 <Vanhayes> its the ping
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> he's a Spaniard, and that means he's telepathic
17:50 <spidey> no
17:50 <spidey> alot of people have 170-230 ping
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> he's not right all the time
17:50 <spidey> most of the time
17:50 <spidey> he always gets me
17:50 <spidey> :/
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> One night I was playing really poorly and generally sucking as much as I ever do, and he asked if I was Vanhayes
17:51 <spidey> hahahaha
17:51 <Vanhayes> #lucifer
17:51 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
17:51 <spidey> #vanhayes
17:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
17:51 <Vanhayes> #insult Lucifer_arma
17:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma - You are nothing but a yeasty heap of imp-bladdereddle-headed scum.
17:51 <Vanhayes> harsh
17:51 <spidey> lol
17:51 <spidey> i gotta make that a instant chat key
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> lame. That's like being insulted by a 12-year old geek
17:51 <spidey> hahha
17:52 * Lucifer_arma would write a better insult plugin if he thought it was worthy of his time
17:52 <spidey> man posistioning vertical bars is a bitch :/
17:52 <spidey> i've been trying to get this same fucking bar for 20-30 minutes
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, go knock over a liquor store and someone else will position them for you
17:52 <spidey> lol
17:52 * Lucifer_arma is going to store, bbiab
17:53 <spidey> maybe when you get back
17:53 <spidey> i'll be on the second bar
17:53 <spidey> :|
17:53 <Vanhayes> it is as hard as positioning regular ones I thought
17:54 <Vanhayes> nice bugfarm fort has ppl now
17:55 <spidey> O_o
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17:57 <spidey> argh
17:57 <spidey> wrtl
17:57 <spidey> <ShowCurrent value="true" />
17:57 <spidey> how the hell do i get that centered without increasing width
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17:59 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection is shit Van
17:59 <armabot> your connection is shit Van
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18:15 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection is complete shit Van
18:15 <armabot> your connection is complete shit Van
18:15 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection is complete shit Van
18:15 <armabot> your connection is complete shit Van
18:15 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection is complete shit Van
18:15 <armabot> your connection is complete shit Van
18:17 <GodTodd> #dict milieu
18:17 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: milieu n : the environmental condition [syn: {surroundings}] [also: {milieux} (pl)]; gcide: Milieu \Mi`lieu"\ (m[-e]*ly[~e]"), n. [F., fr. mi middle (L. medius) + lieu place. See {Demi-}, {Lieu}.] Environment. The intellectual and moral milieu created by multitudes of self-centered, cultivated personalities. --J. A. Symonds. It is one of (4 more messages)
18:18 <GodTodd> #more
18:18 <armabot> GodTodd: the great outstanding facts of his progressive relation to the elements of his social milieu. --J. M. Baldwin. [Webster 1913 Suppl.]; moby-thes: 133 Moby Thesaurus words for "milieu": agora, air, airspace, alentours, ambiance, ambience, ambient, ambit, amphitheater, area, arena, athletic field, atmosphere, auditorium, aura, background, bear garden, belt, borderlands, bowl, boxing ring, (3 more messages)
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18:20 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
18:20 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
18:20 <Vanhayes> #parrot your connection is complete shit Van
18:20 <armabot> your connection is complete shit Van
18:23 <spidey> wow
18:23 <spidey> my isp must be upgrading
18:23 <spidey> my ping's super low
18:24 <spidey> so far it's been between 160 and 170
18:24 <spidey> which i used to be lucky to get 180
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18:27 <Nazurath> wow my isp must on crack
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19:33 <spidey> rrrr
19:34 * spidey can't stand it when people spam "join my clan here" 3 times+ a round
20:01 <luke-jr_> our dependencies are broken
20:01 <luke-jr_> fyi
20:05 <luke-jr_> I need to 'make clean' and recompile every update
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> join my clan!!!
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> join my clan!!!
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> join my clan!!!
20:29 <spidey> bah
20:30 * Lucifer_arma loves his bass
20:30 <spidey> they act like ypi cam
20:30 <spidey> you can't see it the first time
20:31 <spidey> i wonder if you can add wild card silences O_o
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm finally turning into a bass player after all
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> I've just reached the point where I"m willing to swear my loyalty to the Lord of the Bass
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> definitely starting to prefer fingers to a pick, much more expressive that way (and harder!)
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21:02 * spidey gave up on vertical gauges
21:02 <spidey> i can't get the text centered :(
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22:06 <Vanhayes> #list alias
22:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, (1 more message)
22:06 <Vanhayes> #more
22:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
22:06 <Vanhayes> #anvil
22:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: (anvil <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for <<echo /me drops an anvil on $1.>>
22:06 <Vanhayes> #anvil spidey
22:06 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on spidey.
22:07 <Vanhayes> #uptime
22:07 <armabot> spidey: 05:07:16 up 60 days, 5:12, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
22:07 <Vanhayes> #list
22:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:08 <Vanhayes> #list services
22:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
22:08 <Vanhayes> #list utilities
22:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: apply, echo, ignore, last, re, reply, shuffle, strlen, and success
22:08 <Vanhayes> #serverstats
22:08 <Vanhayes> #channelstats
22:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: On #armagetron there have been 103439 messages, containing 4302286 characters, 770527 words, 8809 smileys, and 2936 frowns; 3569 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 2760 joins, 412 parts, 2312 quits, 3 kicks, 66 mode changes, and 18 topic changes.
22:09 <Vanhayes> #list rss
22:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, announce, armaservers, armawiki, info, remove, and rss
22:09 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
22:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Norms Place (9 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (7 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (5 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (4 players) || LOL Clan Server {Fortress} (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (2 players) || basementunderground.net (1 players) || ~Spidey~Test~ (0 players) || (1 more message)
22:09 <Vanhayes> #more
22:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: home of Andy and . (0 players) || [[Lightcycle Hunting -- Germany]] (0 players) || War spaet gestern... (acceleration, limited views) (0 players) || The Mutiny~FoC~ (0 players) || The Lobster Cage (0 players)
22:13 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
22:13 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
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22:19 <Vanhayes> #q
22:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
22:23 <Vanhayes> #q get 18
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
22:23 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> #q
22:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> #q
22:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 12:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> my wife is stinky, she says
22:56 <spidey> lol
23:00 <Vanhayes> #time
23:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: 11:00 PM, June 20, 2006
23:00 <Vanhayes> #night
23:00 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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23:10 <wrtlprnft> gah, i hate if i forget ti /away myself
23:10 <wrtlprnft> *to
23:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no, currently there's not
23:11 <wrtlprnft> you should be able to do that with labels, but they need some improvements, you should be able to center text and specify wrapping, etc
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23:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft, huh?
23:43 <spidey> you got me killed in CT for that :/
Log from 2006-06-21:
--- Day changed Wed Jun 21 2006
00:01 <[NP]Tangent> ownt!
00:02 <spidey> bah
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02:53 <luke-jr_> #q
02:53 <armabot> luke-jr_: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by wrtlprnft at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
02:53 <luke-jr_> ping?
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05:51 <guru3> what can you put in a bucket to make it lighter?
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06:17 <cusco> yoooooooooooooo
06:17 <cusco> I have dri back
06:17 <cusco> I can play again
07:14 <Luke-Jr> ok
07:14 <Luke-Jr> hah
07:14 <Luke-Jr> armabot no longer ignores me cuz Lucifer wanted it to drop messages at me =p
07:15 <Luke-Jr> #later tell Lucifer_arma_ what exactly did you want there? a copy of the linked page?
07:15 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
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07:20 <cusco> dudes
07:20 <cusco> Im having a map load failure
07:20 <cusco> on crossfire map
07:20 <cusco> of crazy tronners
07:20 <Luke-Jr> oh?
07:21 <cusco> always that map.. my screen goes black
07:21 <cusco> 2 minutes after
07:21 <cusco> it says the error.. now its gone
07:21 <Luke-Jr> got a filepath?
07:21 <cusco> oh.. im going to have that again
07:21 <cusco> a filepath
07:21 <cusco> I supose thats ~/.armagetron
07:21 <Luke-Jr> ...
07:21 <Luke-Jr> no
07:21 <Luke-Jr> that's the resource's internal name
07:22 <cusco> I don't know
07:22 <Luke-Jr> how about the URL it's trying to download?
07:22 <cusco> ah!
07:22 <cusco> ops sorry I pressed a key the error went away
07:22 <cusco> is the error saved somewhere?
07:23 <Luke-Jr> dunno
07:23 <cusco> Ill wait for it to happen again
07:27 <cusco> but I think its ~/.armagetron/resources/automatic/ed/fortress/crossfire-something.xml
07:27 <cusco> I don't have any *crossfire* file in there
07:28 <cusco> anyway I will wait for that error agian
07:28 <Luke-Jr> that's not a URL
07:28 <cusco> oh
07:28 <cusco> lol
07:28 <cusco> :|
07:29 <cusco> ok ok.. I will have to wait
07:29 <Luke-Jr> I've played that map tho
07:29 <Luke-Jr> so it's worked before
07:29 <cusco> Im sure it works
07:29 <cusco> everybody else plays it
07:29 <cusco> or noboduy else complains
07:31 <Luke-Jr> well, you only need to fetch the map once
07:31 <Luke-Jr> then it will always work
07:32 <Luke-Jr> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/ed/fortress/crossfire-0.0.1.aamap.xml
07:32 <Luke-Jr> can you go there manually?
07:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
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08:32 <cusco> I think the error is comming
08:33 <cusco> black screen for so long..
08:34 <cusco> The map ed/fortress/crossfire-0.0.1.aamap.xml could not be loaded.
08:34 <cusco> The server you tried to connect may have a briken configuration;
08:34 <cusco> you sould inform server administrator of this error
08:34 <cusco> Log:
08:35 <cusco> Resource ed/fortress/crossfire-0.0.1.aamap.xml not found in cache
08:35 <cusco> downloading it, please be patient
08:35 <cusco> lol
08:36 <cusco> http:((resource.armagetronad.net/resource/ed/(fortres/crossfire-0.0.1.aamap.xml
08:36 <cusco> error: Retyrn value 0!=200.
08:38 <cusco> by the way
08:38 <cusco> Luke-Jr: I can't download taht
08:39 <cusco> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that was referring to your cockpit question
08:39 <wrtlprnft> 17:57 <spidey> wrtl
08:39 <wrtlprnft> 17:57 <spidey> <ShowCurrent value="true" />
08:39 <wrtlprnft> 17:57 <spidey> how the hell do i get that centered without increasing width
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09:41 <wrtlprnft> woot sd is alive!
10:11 <cusco> sd?
10:13 <cusco> oh no
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10:52 <wrtlprnft> i think i need to make my screenshot upload script more effective
10:52 <wrtlprnft> it regenerates all thumbnails everytime i start it
10:53 <joda_uni> wrtlprnft: can you just try to join "University Network Test" ?
10:54 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
10:55 <wrtlprnft> joda_uni: doesn't exist
10:55 <wrtlprnft> on the list
10:55 <joda_uni> 131.234.108.40)
10:55 <joda_uni> try to join that ip then
10:56 <joda_uni> but I guess our university blocks udp traffic now :(
10:56 <wrtlprnft> can you join other servers?
10:57 <wrtlprnft> no, nothing, won't connect
10:57 <joda_uni> yes ;)
10:57 <joda_uni> it's a incoming traffic firewall :-(
10:58 <joda_uni> I'll do another test for a few other pcs, but I guess I'll something easier than Armagetron to check the firewalled ports / pcs
10:58 <joda_uni> like netcat or something
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11:00 <joda_uni> back on my way home
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11:16 <[NP]Tangent> hm
11:16 <[NP]Tangent> I should play armagetron when I get home from wherever I'm about to go
11:23 <SuPeRTaRD> yeah u should
11:31 <wrtlprnft> gotta go for my physics test, wish me luck i get more than negative 75% on it
11:34 <SuPeRTaRD> good luck
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12:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I told someone to translate http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Remote_Moderation :)
12:06 <joda_bot> Just to get a test candidate for German Documentation project on the wiki
12:07 <joda_bot> and to see how the quality of the text works out ;)
12:09 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: Can you give me some feedback about the colored teammenu and the current and next team display ?
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13:06 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: is it in the 0.3.0 branch?
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13:12 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes, the greenish team menu items ?
13:13 <joda_bot> If you can't see them, then I failed to resolve a conflict and subversion did not commit those
13:13 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: let me check ;)
13:17 <joda_bot> Hey, z-man assigned me three bugs and sf did not send me mails :(
13:17 <joda_bot> I'll have to update those settings
13:17 * Lucifer_arma wonders if sf has the right email address for him, now
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft looks like Your_mom's crash is for everybody, after all
13:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
13:18 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64151#64151
13:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
13:21 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: it's really hard to see which of the green items is selected
13:22 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: sure, I was surprised noone screamed until now ;)
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest staying with white for now for menu items, but if you can make it so that the cycling colors for the item with focus is more obvious, whatever you want is fine :)
13:22 <joda_bot> I guess I'll remove the colors
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13:23 <joda_bot> I'd really like to keep the team names centered and put the player counts vertically aligned somewhere to the left
13:23 <joda_bot> but that requires quite some modification and there is no way to do it properly without tables or something similiar
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, consider that after the ggame factoring (which is what z-man's going to do pretty soon, hopefully soonest) we're looking at rewriting big parts of the gui
13:24 <joda_bot> Fixing reported bugs first ;)
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> not rewriting as such, but pulling out the good code that's there into a good structure that we can extend
13:24 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Do you know how to tell if a Player sync is during a round or at the start of it ?
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> I do not know, sorry. :(
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a gametime associated with the sync?
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> does the game clock get reset every round?
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13:25 <Vanhayes__> #parrot Your connection really sucks van
13:25 <armabot> Your connection really sucks van
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13:26 <joda_bot> I'll have to talk to z-man about that stuff I guess
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> #parrot why do we have 3 vanhayeses?
13:26 <armabot> why do we have 3 vanhayeses?
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13:27 <Lucifer_arma> my own attitude right now is not to worry much about the gui and try not to add new stuff to it until it's been rearranged, but I'd hate to see that stop real progress :)
13:27 <Vanhayes__> because my connection drops for about 30 seconds, I get disconnected then it reconects me
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> #parrot why do we have 2 vanhayeses?
13:27 <armabot> why do we have 2 vanhayeses?
13:28 <Vanhayes__> no clue they are both me tho
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, automatic reconnections can be quite annoying sometimes, heh
13:28 <Vanhayes__> wow Vanhayes is taking a long time to time out
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: of course, I'm not working anywhere near the gui right now anyway, so I can get away with ignoring the gui
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes__: did you figure out definitively what your crash was with chat?
13:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I guess I'll need help with fixing windows sounds crackling if z-man hasn't been able to fix it yet
13:36 <joda_bot> I'll test in a moment
13:38 <Vanhayes__> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3081&start=150
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13:39 <Vanhayes__> it had nothing to do with chat, it was music related
13:39 <Vanhayes__> Finally timed out
13:39 -!- Vanhayes__ is now known as Vanhayes
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> aha, so on a fresh installation without any butchering of sound, it works?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. no crash?
13:40 <Vanhayes> yes it wasnt crashing when I was trying to play my playlist
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok. Does the last alpha respect your decision to turn off sound at all? I don't know if z-man actually did that or if I need to do it still
13:42 <Vanhayes> well the sound in game in all of .3 is horribly garrbled no mater what i tried, but when I play the sound files by themselves it is good
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> you tried sound_buffer_size?
13:44 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes somehow SDL_mixer 1.2.7 seems to have problems on windows
13:45 <joda_bot> I should make a recording of what you hear with my sound card and send you the file
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> so we've noticed. :) One of the problems is that it'll play sound even if it's calls to sdl_audio fail, which is really weird
13:45 <guru3> hahaha
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> and we don't disable sound like we should in that case
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13:48 <Vanhayes_> #parrot You should send threatening letters to you ISP Van
13:48 <armabot> You should send threatening letters to you ISP Van
13:48 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
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13:54 <Vanhayes_> argh what should I set the sound_buffer_size to?
13:54 <Vanhayes_> dont know if that got sent before I got disconnected
13:55 <joda_bot> Vanhayes_: No plan here either :)
13:55 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
13:55 <Vanhayes> #last
13:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: [13:55:27] <joda_bot> Vanhayes_: No plan here either :)
13:55 <Vanhayes> #more
13:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
13:55 <spidey> O_o
13:55 <spidey> #vanhayes
13:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
13:56 <Vanhayes> I was disconnected for about 2-3 minutes so if u asked me something I didnt see it
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:51:58) Vanhayes_ heisst nun Vanhayes
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:57:39) Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034183001.nb.aliant.net] hat den Raum betreten.
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:57:40) Vanhayes hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:57:47) Vanhayes_: argh what should I set the sound_buffer_size to?
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:58:04) Vanhayes_: dont know if that got sent before I got disconnected
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:58:07) joda_bot: Vanhayes_: No plan here either :)
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:58:09) Vanhayes_ heisst nun Vanhayes
13:57 <joda_bot> (20:58:23) Vanhayes: #last
13:57 <Vanhayes> ok thx
13:58 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma what should I set sound_buffer_size to?
13:59 <Vanhayes> #anvil spidey
13:59 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on spidey.
14:00 <spidey> lol
14:00 <joda_bot> #anvil armabot
14:00 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on armabot.
14:00 <joda_bot> :-P
14:01 <Vanhayes> #list alias
14:01 <Vanhayes> BAH
14:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, (1 more message)
14:02 <spidey> this is weird
14:02 <spidey> does z-man keep upgrading the bandwith on his fort server?
14:02 <Vanhayes> better ping spidey ?
14:02 <spidey> cause when i started playing that server,my ping was never below 240
14:02 <spidey> then a few months ago it dropped to around 200
14:03 <spidey> now i get a 160-167 when there's 4-5 people there
14:03 <joda_bot> spidey: I guess the institutes sys admin constantly improves bandwidth optimization etc.
14:04 <joda_bot> and probably the german research network also optimizes (limiting peer to peer file sharing etc.)
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14:04 <Vanhayes_> BAH
14:04 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
14:04 -!- madmax [n=madmax@bl5-11-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
14:04 <Vanhayes> hey madmax
14:04 <madmax> hello
14:05 -!- madmax is now known as madmax|pt
14:05 <madmax|pt> im pissed, my ping @ fortress suddenly jumped from 90-100 to 280
14:05 <madmax|pt> and not only in fortress i think
14:05 <Vanhayes> lol we were just talking about changing pings eh spidey?
14:06 <Vanhayes> maybe spidey stole your ping his is geting better
14:06 <madmax|pt> rrrr
14:07 <madmax|pt> crap!
14:08 <madmax|pt> did someone's ping suddenly changed?
14:08 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: usually only due to local connection issues
14:09 <madmax|pt> thought of that
14:09 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: If my provider upgraded their local receiver or if one of my roommates starts to use much bandwidth
14:09 <madmax|pt> well, i hope its temporary
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: something high
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot the formula, lemme check it real quick
14:13 <Vanhayes> I tried 1 then 10 then 100 It didnt improve it
14:13 <Vanhayes> It just made it higher pitch
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's just 512 * sound_buffer_size
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> the result of that calculation is number of samples
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> default is 0.5, iirc. Try setting it low, to like 0.01 or something low like that
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> try 0.25, 0.3, 0.125, etc.
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> also, do you have one of those surround-sound cards?
14:15 <Vanhayes> um I am pretty sure I dont
14:16 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I have, if you need me to test something
14:17 <joda_bot> 4 channel
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, set arma to 2 channels and then to 4 channels and then to 6 channels and tell me what happens to the sound :)
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> I only have 2 channel sound to test with :(
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to restart each time you change the config for numbe rof channels
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> and it should be in the Sound Setup menu
14:18 <Vanhayes> um now it wont even start up
14:18 <Vanhayes> it goes to full screen, but doesnt show anything, then just closes
14:19 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: You're working on trunk or branch 0.3. ?
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> branch 0.3.0
14:19 <joda_bot> k
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> haven't done anything besides replicate your_mom's crash and get a backtrace
14:19 * joda_bot just has to add boost headers for phillipeqc ;)
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you probably need to edit user.cfg to fix it now. What change did you make that made it not start up?
14:20 <Vanhayes> sound_buffer_size 0.01
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.01 * 512
14:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.01 * 512 = 5.12
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it can't handle a buffer that low?
14:21 <Vanhayes> looks that way
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> did you try 0.25?
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 512/4
14:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 512 / 4 = 128
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 512/8
14:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 512 / 8 = 64
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> 0.125 is a promising setting, it used to be 64 samples for windows
14:24 <Vanhayes> does this link look right to anyone?
14:24 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Luke's switching his server out right now
14:26 <Vanhayes> damn, I uninstalled armagetron just in case I moved something important and forgot to replace it
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> did you keep the archive you originally downloaded?
14:26 <Vanhayes> nope
14:26 <madmax|pt> ooo nice, any1 else "sees" MSN down?
14:27 <Vanhayes> msn.com?
14:27 <madmax|pt> err.. MSN messenger
14:27 <Vanhayes> ya was gonna say MSN.com works
14:27 <Vanhayes> I dont use Messenger
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> if I send an IM to a yahoo person while they're offline, will they receive it when they next login?
14:29 <joda_bot> never tried that Lucifer_arma
14:29 <joda_bot> let me see
14:31 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: send a message to "vosaila_aliasov" ;)
14:31 <joda_bot> I'll go offline
14:32 <joda_bot> perhaps I should wait until you've got me on your contact list ?
14:32 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: I'm on msn just fine
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah. Ok, added. now, are you offline?
14:33 <madmax|pt> heh, it came back up
14:33 <madmax|pt> but for some time it was down (at least for me)
14:34 <joda_bot> Nice, so this works ;)
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's a very useful thing to know
14:35 <madmax|pt> yay, my ping is back to normal
14:36 <madmax|pt> ... some weeeeeeeird crap going on ...
14:36 <madmax|pt> or maybe spidey just got his old ping back
14:36 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
14:36 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> AHA! Now I remember what's wrong with my webserver, mod_rewrite doesn't work!
14:39 <spidey> no
14:39 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: just got disconnected on msn
14:39 <spidey> my old ping was high
14:39 <spidey> my new ping is low
14:40 <spidey> lower anyways
14:43 <spidey> mm
14:43 <spidey> i wonder if it's the rain
14:44 <spidey> distroting the -/+ db signals
14:44 <madmax|pt> "Vanhayes maybe spidey stole your ping his is geting better"
14:44 <spidey> maybe that's why it's higher O_o
14:44 <madmax|pt> lol
14:44 <spidey> and my isp isn't reset it
14:44 <spidey> s/higher/lower
14:44 <Vanhayes> well my ping was crappy for about 2 weeks staight a month aog but now it is usually around 160
14:45 <Vanhayes> ago*
14:45 <spidey> yea
14:45 <spidey> use to,when the server was full
14:45 <spidey> i got no lower than 220
14:46 <joda_bot> spidey: madmax|pt: Vanhayes: What's your ping to nixda.net ?
14:46 <spidey> now it's 190 when it's full and 160-170 when there's 4-5 peopel
14:46 <spidey> 158ms
14:47 <spidey> Minimum = 157ms, Maximum = 159ms, Average = 157ms
14:47 <spidey> that good? O_o
14:48 <madmax|pt> min avg max = 78.824/79.871/81.227
14:52 <joda_bot> to z-man's or nixda ?
14:53 <spidey> nixda
14:53 <joda_bot> hm.... ok
14:53 <joda_bot> is that similiar to z-mans ?
14:53 <joda_bot> Because the server is running on the major commerical backbone here (AFAIK)
14:54 <spidey> depends
14:54 <madmax|pt> i generally get 80/90/100 on Z
14:54 <madmax|pt> so, close
14:58 * madmax|pt is away: dinner
15:08 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
15:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
15:08 <spidey> :|
15:08 <Vanhayes> heh
15:08 <spidey> #vanhayes
15:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
15:08 <Vanhayes> bah
15:08 <Vanhayes> actually that one isnt as bad as
15:09 <Vanhayes> #quote get 17
15:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
15:09 <spidey> hahaha
15:09 <Vanhayes> noob
15:09 <spidey> hated one
15:09 <Vanhayes> lol
15:09 <Vanhayes> mmm diner sounds pretty good right now bbl
15:12 <spidey> O_o
15:12 <spidey> i think i just got a random crash doing cockpit_file
15:12 <spidey> nvm,it only froze for a while
15:12 <spidey> lol
15:16 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4601&highlight=
15:16 <joda_bot> Did Luke-Jr add instructions to the wiki ?
15:17 <joda_bot> #message nemo* http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4411&highlight=
15:17 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
15:17 <joda_bot> #message Luke* http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4601&highlight=
15:17 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
15:20 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:22:46)
15:23 <joda_bot> #ping Lucifer_arma
15:26 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9FD9.versanet.de] has quit [Connection timed out]
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> #pong joda_bot
15:26 <armabot> pung
15:27 <madmax|pt> i once thought the pang command was actually the pang game, that games pwns
15:27 <madmax|pt> #pang
15:27 <armabot> peng
15:27 <madmax|pt> lol
15:28 <madmax|pt> anyone know that game, or im just... er.. the only one?
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15:29 <Lucifer_arma> you're the only one madmax|pt
15:29 <madmax|pt> crap
15:30 <madmax|pt> its a classic
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> classic as in years > 20? (pings wrtlprnft for unit police)
15:31 <madmax|pt> what about "buster brothers"?
15:31 <madmax|pt> "The game was only known as Pang in some countries, elsewhere it was known as the Buster Brothers. "
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> did you have one of those calico machines?
15:31 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Should I add the boost headers somewhere in Armagetron Ad ? as Nemo will need them for Mac OS too ?
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, I guess so.... Hm.
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> for linux we just use what's installed locally, right?
15:32 <joda_bot> I guess yes
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> is there a maclibs module or something, or is nemo handling that stuff on his own?
15:32 <joda_bot> I've cut it down to about 10-20 files
15:32 <joda_bot> so it's not the 10 MB boost source zip
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> but you need the library to be able to link, right?
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the headers should go with the library, then...
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> and the library goes in winlibs, right? ;)
15:33 * Lucifer_arma suspects nemo is handling it on his own
15:33 <joda_bot> boost is just headers
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've no objection to sticking the headers somewhere in the armagetronad module,
15:34 <joda_bot> At least the stuff Phillipe used is just hpp files
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> but I've just become curious how nemo's handling the support libraries for mac, since, afaik, we have no module to deal with it
15:34 <joda_bot> heh , good argument ;)
15:34 <joda_bot> perhaps we should add the files to winlibs and rename it to libs ;)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> winlibs contains binaries, though, doesn't it?
15:35 <joda_bot> yes
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> then we should have a separate maclibs module, if we're going to have one for mac
15:35 <joda_bot> we might then create a winlibs win32 and a macos folder for dll or so files (if nemo does not link all libs staticly)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> or we turn winlibs into a source module instead, which has its advantages
15:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: but the headers etc. are the same
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't link all libs statically
15:36 <joda_bot> and the source builds should build anywhere
15:36 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: It's already source for SDL, SDL_mixer, SDL_image, vorbis ...
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> this might be a can of worms. :)
15:36 <joda_bot> just libxml2 and iconv
15:36 <joda_bot> are binaries
15:36 <joda_bot> yes
15:36 <joda_bot> That's why I ask
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> so winlibs only contains binaries for libxml2 and iconv?
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise windows develoeprs have to build SDL and the rest?
15:37 <joda_bot> I guess, let me check
15:37 <joda_bot> ah freetype is also binary
15:37 <joda_bot> and that would be a killer to mirror
15:38 <joda_bot> Proposal make a libs module ... keep the libaries in subfolders
15:39 <joda_bot> The structure is libname/source libname/win32/*.dll libname/macosx/*.so
15:40 * madmax|pt thinks everyone should know Pang: http://www.astrodragon.com/pang96/pang96.html
15:40 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: ;)
15:40 <madmax|pt> (this version sucks though)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I think that's a good idea. I'm about to start piling libraries on left and right that we need
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see a source directory too, and some way for arma to link statically to everything over there
15:40 <joda_bot> Take a look at Winlibs WindowsLibraries.txt ;)
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, one of these days. :) Right now I'm waiting for a phone call, then I've got some homework to do, yadayada
15:41 <joda_bot> I listed all libraries and sites
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I did my part for the 0.3.0 release by testing Your_mom's cockpit file :)
15:41 * joda_bot points to (if anyone likes 3D puzzles ;)) /me www.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=hyperframe
15:42 <joda_bot> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/LIBRARIES.txt?view=markup&rev=4895
15:42 <joda_bot> The list of libraries
15:42 <joda_bot> Will have to add Boost now ;)
15:43 <madmax|pt> nice joda_bot, nice
15:44 <madmax|pt> the game
15:45 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
15:45 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: You know the sliding block homepage ?
15:46 <joda_bot> This isn't bad either http://www.onemorelevel.com/games.php?game=254
15:47 <joda_bot> http://johnrausch.com/SlidingBlockPuzzles/default.htm
15:47 <joda_bot> ;)
15:52 <spidey> wrtl
15:52 <spidey> is there anyway to flip the map?
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> print it, glue it onto a quarter, and flip the quarter
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> I want to write a cheesy song about my little red car
16:01 <joda_bot> #message nemo* How about adding the neccessary files for mac os x libraries to "winlibs". "winlibs" could be renamed to "libs". Proposal for the structure below libary subfolders: source (if present), includes (if needed), win32/*.dll, macosx/*.dynlib
16:01 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
16:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's time > 20 years :P
16:01 <joda_bot> #message z-man* How about adding the neccessary files for mac os x libraries to "winlibs". "winlibs" could be renamed to "libs". Proposal for the structure below libary subfolders: source (if present), includes (if needed), win32/*.dll, macosx/*.dynlib
16:01 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
16:01 <wrtlprnft> spidey: not yet, Lucifer_arma wanted to do that
16:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thanks, I'll look at it
16:02 <joda_bot> I probably should that on the forums ;)
16:02 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: the colored team menu is nice, but on fortress it displays every team twice...
16:02 <spidey> k
16:03 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: current and next team display?
16:04 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: translate the remote moderation page? why? to what language?
16:05 * wrtlprnft hopes he didn't miss any message
16:05 <wrtlprnft> oh, btw: I'm back, in case you didn't notice ;)
16:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Just to test if we might get some help form the community and how it work to randomly assign someone who had a question about "REMOTE_MANAGEMENT" to translate it on the wiki ;)
16:07 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: The current and next team display should help to inform you about your choices
16:07 <joda_bot> Perhaps we should just reduce it to "Next Team: ?"
16:07 <joda_bot> or just "Teamwish:" showing the next team
16:08 <joda_bot> e.g. if you can't join a team the server remembers you still want to join that team later
16:08 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yeah, teamwish makes more sense
16:09 <joda_bot> ok, I'll add that to my todo list :)
16:09 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: got some time to tell me about sound ?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> and fix the bug that teamnames appear twice ;)
16:09 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I'm still confused about that
16:10 <joda_bot> Since when does that happen ?
16:10 <joda_bot> Is the team listed "red" and "green" ?
16:10 <joda_bot> woa, slow mo sound
16:10 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: try joining BF fortress with the latest trunk version
16:10 <joda_bot> I'll do next
16:11 <wrtlprnft> there's two green team golds and two green team blues
16:11 <joda_bot> Just waiting for the sound to die
16:11 <joda_bot> that sounds wierd
16:11 <joda_bot> I'll investigate that
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16:11 <wrtlprnft> and if the menu item has to be green, i'd prefer 0x88ff88 as a color :)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: if you don't see it i'll make you a recording/screenshot
16:12 <wrtlprnft> that color because the current green makes it almost impossible to see the cursor
16:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: yes I'm considering removing the colors and using * or something similiar to mark the likely choices
16:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: regarding your backtrace, this could only happen if m_ViewportPlayer was 0...
16:14 <wrtlprnft> and that would be better documented by a recording
16:16 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: you could also fix colors in the menu, so all colors give you a distinguishable cursor color ;)
16:16 <wrtlprnft> ie fix the formula
16:16 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034183001.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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16:18 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Perhaps I just should use different shades of gray ?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> nah, that looks boring :P
16:20 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Armagetron Advanced deadlocks with nasty sound at the end on Windows :-(
16:24 <spidey> Seeing this instead of the website you expected?
16:24 <spidey> This page is here because the site administrator has changed the configuration of this web server. Please contact the person responsible for maintaining this server with questions. The Apache Software Foundation, which wrote the web server software this site administrator is using, has nothing to do with maintaining this site and cannot help resolve configuration issues.
16:24 <spidey> i got that on beta.armagetronad.net
16:24 <spidey> O_o
16:27 <wrtlprnft> then ask Luke-Jr
16:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://beta.armagetronad.net/ is broken
16:28 <Vanhayes_> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5011
16:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: and can you confirm that c6:11:c9:33:da:fe:26:eb:8b:fc:06:c8:13:6d:80:ab is your server's SSH key?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and of course, now we have the great incident that the resource repository is down without backups
16:30 <wrtlprnft> backups as in something that can kick in as replacement within ten minutes without the normal user noticing
16:32 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
16:32 <Vanhayes> ack My connection dropped and I didnt even notice
16:32 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:33 <spidey> van's the reason i don't want to move to canada
16:33 <spidey> if i had a connection like his
16:34 <spidey> pfft i'd shot the isp admin
16:34 <spidey> O_o
16:34 <Vanhayes> Spidey is the reason why I love canada
16:34 <spidey> LOL
16:34 <Vanhayes> meh my ISP is ok usually
16:34 <Vanhayes> just sometimes it acts up
16:34 <spidey> riiiiiiiiiiight
16:34 <spidey> even mine doesn't have as many problems as yours
16:34 <spidey> O_o
16:35 * wrtlprnft wouldn't want an isp that basically breaks down on every drop of rain
16:35 <spidey> haha
16:35 <spidey> mine's still operatable
16:35 <spidey> but it's distorted sometimes
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> woo-hooo, i think I just got a promotion :)
16:35 <spidey> if it rains heavy for a few hours then yea it starts getting laggy O_o
16:35 <wrtlprnft> mine gives me a constant ping of 250ms to BF fortress
16:36 <spidey> you a assistant pimp now Lucifer_arma ?
16:36 <spidey> working joo way up from a man ho O_o
16:37 <Vanhayes> conection drop maybe
16:37 <Vanhayes> wait for it....
16:37 <spidey> haha
16:37 <spidey> #vanhayes
16:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
16:37 <Your_mom_arma> an assistant pimp
16:37 <spidey> #q get 17
16:37 <armabot> spidey: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
16:37 <spidey> :/
16:38 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
16:38 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> although it's hard to describe anything you do under contract as a "promotion"
16:38 <spidey> #qoute get 17
16:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=3611 <-- in this screenshot JJBean appears correctly, right?
16:38 <spidey> #quoget 17
16:38 <spidey> grrr
16:38 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 5
16:38 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
16:38 <spidey> #quote get 17
16:38 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
16:38 <spidey> O_o
16:38 <Vanhayes> @quote get 18
16:38 <madmax|pt> lol
16:38 <Vanhayes> er
16:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
16:38 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
16:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
16:39 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, no I just posted on that
16:39 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i know, but i can't make sense of it
16:40 <Vanhayes> look at JJ's name when he is talking there is an upside down ! and it isnt there on the score table
16:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: did you get your test back yet?
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes
16:41 <wrtlprnft> ahm now i see... so this affects special chars at the beginning of a name?
16:41 <wrtlprnft> and why does wildcat's name work?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: and?
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> and what?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> did you do good?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> (aka can we finally get a CIA bot)
16:42 <Vanhayes> I think anywhere in the name, and wildcats doesnt have upside down !
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> cia bot? FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK NO!
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:43 <wrtlprnft> you can /silence it...
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> could be worse, someone in my class got a 4, and someone else got a 7
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> only one person got an A
16:44 * wrtlprnft doesn't know the american marking systam
16:44 <wrtlprnft> *system
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's a percentage
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> an A is 90-100
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> a B is 80-89
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> C is 70-79
16:44 <Vanhayes> isnt there an A+ tho?
16:44 <spidey> mmmm
16:44 <spidey> weird
16:44 <wrtlprnft> #last --with 4
16:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:44:04] <Lucifer_arma> could be worse, someone in my class got a 4, and someone else got a 7
16:44 <Your_mom_arma> a+ = 100
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> A+ only exists when you're comparing cock sizes
16:44 <spidey> that's not our grad system here
16:44 <Your_mom_arma> haha
16:45 <wrtlprnft> what's 4 and 7 then?
16:45 <Vanhayes> lol
16:45 <spidey> f
16:45 <wrtlprnft> or does that mean 40?
16:45 <spidey> lol
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> 4 %, 7%
16:45 <wrtlprnft> and 70?
16:45 <Vanhayes> 4% and 7%?
16:45 <wrtlprnft> omg
16:45 <Vanhayes> ouch
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> 70 is a C, and also the border between passing and failing
16:45 <wrtlprnft> ok, i didn't think about that
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> 70-79 is C
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> 60-69 is D, and some people consider D passing, but not my teacher
16:45 <spidey> that's a D here
16:46 <spidey> 60 and below is a f here :/
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> nor my school, for that matter
16:46 <spidey> 69*
16:46 <wrtlprnft> so, what about this weird bug with that letter now? any ideas?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, if I were one of those poor souls that got a 4 or a 7, I'd drop the class right now
16:46 <Vanhayes> 60% is a pass here
16:46 <spidey> LOL
16:46 <wrtlprnft> if it was sent through the name filter an upside down ! would become a normal !
16:46 * Lucifer_arma will silence a cia bot, but he'd prefer a cia plugin to armabot if there is one
16:46 <Vanhayes> ???
16:46 <spidey> if you get a 69 here it's a F and you have to retake it #_#
16:46 <Vanhayes> hehe
16:47 <spidey> 100-95 is a A 95 - 90 is a B 89-80 is a C 79 - 70 is a D and 69 below is a F
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's supposed to be a percentage of the material you have learned. So, 80% is supposed to mean you mastered 80% of the material that was taught.
16:47 <spidey> ya'll are lucky
16:47 <spidey> :/
16:48 <spidey> i wouldn't have 1 failing grade ever if we used the grade scales ya'll do
16:48 <spidey> :/
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: in college, the teachers each make their own grading scale. The fact that my teacher uses traditional scale is really just luck
16:48 <Vanhayes> er I remember durka's name having another weird character that didnt show up too
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> ]i[ ?
16:48 <spidey> mm
16:48 <Vanhayes> no it was something like this ?
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> I saw it, it was the u
16:48 <Vanhayes> cant really remember
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you're just at too low of a resolution to see it properly?
16:49 <Vanhayes> no no not that, the u shows up
16:49 * Lucifer_arma wonders what the cutoff would be for that, it's supposed to be clearer with ttf
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the only thing I'm really worried about is having two bots in the channel. I have a strong preference for either having armabot do it, or someone else running a bot that does what armabot does and is the cia bot, too
16:51 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-11-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"]
16:51 * Vanhayes downloads 2.8 because he still cant get to beta page
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I found out the real problem with my gentoo server, mod_rewrite doesn't work
16:53 <Vanhayes> er how many master servers is there?
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> also, did you look at mom's crash yet? I posted a backtrace, I could replicate it
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> there's only 2 running right now that I know of, there's suppsoed to be 4
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> mine's down for a little bit
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> when this endless emerge world is finally finished, I'll be looking at getting my master server and game server back up
16:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: this is where a CIA bot would come handy :)
16:56 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
16:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Hopefully fixed Your_mom's crash || Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 4949 to 4959:... || Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4950 to 4958:... || Added FILTER_NAME_MIDDLE for filtering of excess whitespace in the middle of... || Additions to tab completion: - The tab completion for names now uses the same... || oops, forgot to commit NEWS as well: Added new cockpit data (3 more messages)
16:57 <wrtlprnft> but i do
16:57 <wrtlprnft> *but i don't like that format and i'd like it to post the messages by itself
16:57 <wrtlprnft> #help rss
16:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
16:57 <wrtlprnft> #list rss
16:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, announce, armaservers, armawiki, info, remove, and rss
16:57 <wrtlprnft> #help rss announce
16:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (announce [<channel>] [--remove] [<name|url> ...]) -- Adds the list of <name|url> to the current list of announced feeds in the channel given. Valid feeds include the names of registered feeds as well as URLs for a RSS feeds. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If no arguments are specified, replies with the current list of feeds to announce. If (1 more message)
16:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
16:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: --remove is given, the specified feeds will be removed from the list of feeds to announce.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> #anounce http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
16:58 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
16:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> gah, stfu
16:59 <Vanhayes> #rss announce http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
16:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> and it still would have to check in regular intervals
17:01 <Vanhayes> #rss announce http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
17:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:01 <Vanhayes> oops
17:01 <wrtlprnft> that would mean it wouldn't be instantaneous
17:01 <wrtlprnft> the only way i see is to get armabot to join #commits and post every message containing armagetronad in here
17:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mod_rewrite works fine here, just tested
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> what are your use flags?
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> for apache, that is. it's a core module, it shouldn't matter, but maybe it does
17:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i didn't specify any
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> armabot can do that, wrtlprnft
17:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: then get it to do that :)
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> is there already a commits channel?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:03 <wrtlprnft> /join #commits
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> commit something :)
17:04 * Lucifer_arma needs to do a little paying work real quick
17:04 <spidey> argh
17:04 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
17:04 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
17:04 <spidey> van come to blue so we can pwn error
17:04 <spidey> :|
17:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just committed, it came in #commits
17:05 <wrtlprnft> 17:04 <CIA-5> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r4962
17:05 <wrtlprnft> /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: Test- commit for armabot
17:05 <Vanhayes> spidey, trying
17:06 <wrtlprnft> actually, it came surprisingly fast
17:07 <wrtlprnft> like 2 seconds after i pressed return on the command line
17:08 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
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17:11 <wrtlprnft> gah couldn't use that, it was still set to accept # commands ;)
17:12 -!- wrtlbot [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
17:12 <wrtlprnft> .load ChannelLogger
17:12 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> .list channellogger
17:12 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger" to see what configuration variables it has.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> .config list supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger
17:12 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: #filenameTimestamp, #noLogPrefix, #rotateLogs, #stripFormatting, @#timestamp, @directories, flushImmediately, and public
17:13 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like this bot can't log one channel into another one :(
17:13 <wrtlprnft> .unload ChannelLogger
17:13 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:13 <Vanhayes> .hello
17:13 <wrtlbot> Hello Vanhayes
17:14 <wrtlprnft> .load Channel
17:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: Channel is already loaded.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> .list channel
17:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
17:14 <Vanhayes> lobotomy?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> .help channel lobotomy
17:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "channel lobotomy".
17:14 <wrtlprnft> .help channel lobotomy add
17:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (channel lobotomy add [<channel>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will "lobotomize" the bot, making it silent and unanswering to all requests made in the channel. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
17:15 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is all stuff that requires the bot to be a channel op :(
17:16 <wrtlprnft> .load Format
17:16 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:16 <wrtlprnft> .list format
17:16 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: bold, capitalize, color, concat, cut, field, format, join, lower, repr, reverse, title, translate, underline, and upper
17:16 <wrtlprnft> gah
17:16 <wrtlprnft> nah, looks pretty useless :(
17:17 <wrtlprnft> looks like i have to write a plugin with my ... improvable ... python knowledge
17:17 <spidey> something like a "Deaths" would be cool
17:17 <spidey> that tells how many times you've died per match
17:17 <Vanhayes> .help formay color
17:17 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "formay color".
17:17 <Vanhayes> .help format color
17:17 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: (format color <foreground> [<background>] <text>) -- Returns <text> with foreground color <foreground> and background color <background> (if given)
17:18 <wrtlprnft> what the heck are .pyo and .pyc files?
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> .pyc are byte-compiled, .pyo are optimized
17:19 <wrtlbot> Lucifer_arma: Error: "pyc" is not a valid command.
17:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> shut up wrtlbot
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> :)
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> #list admin
17:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addcapability, channels, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, and unignore
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> #list
17:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> #load Spy
17:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "Spy" exists.
17:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list Channel
17:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addcapability, alert, capabilities, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore, ignores, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomies, lobotomize, mode, moderate, nicks, op, permban, permbans, removecapability, setcapability, setdefaultcapability, unban, unignore, unlobotomize, unmoderate, unpermban, unsetcapability, and voice
17:20 <Lucifer_arma> #join #commits
17:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list
17:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
17:20 <Your_mom_arma> armabot qote get 7
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list Utilities
17:21 <Your_mom_arma> armabot quote get 7
17:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: apply, echo, ignore, last, re, reply, shuffle, strlen, and success
17:21 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no Quote with id #7 in my database for #armagetron.
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list Services
17:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list Owner
17:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> #help ircquote
17:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ircquote <string to be sent to the server>) -- Sends the raw string given to the server.
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> #load Relay
17:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> wait until the emerge is done
17:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: where is that emerge now?
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> 26 of 132, it's been interrupted a few times
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> earlier internet went out, then there's been a few packages that have stumbled
17:24 <wrtlprnft> ok, those python plugin thingies look so weird to me, i don't think i'll ever write one
17:24 <wrtlprnft> .load Relay
17:24 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> .lust relay
17:24 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "lust" is not a valid command.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> .list relay
17:24 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: join, nicks, and part
17:24 <wrtlprnft> .help relay join
17:24 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (relay join [<channel>]) -- Starts relaying between the channel <channel> on all networks. If on a network the bot isn't in <channel>, he'll join. This commands is required even if the bot is in the channel on both networks; he won't relay between those channels unless he's told to join both channels. If <channel> is not given, starts relaying on the channel the message was sent in.
17:25 <wrtlprnft> .help relay nicks
17:25 <wrtlprnft> .help relay part
17:25 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (relay nicks [<channel>]) -- Returns the nicks of the people in the channel on the various networks the bot is connected to. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
17:25 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (relay part <channel>) -- Ceases relaying between the channel <channel> on all networks. The bot will part from the channel on all networks in which it is on the channel.
17:26 <wrtlprnft> that means it would post everything in #commits in here and everything in here into #commits?
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> I might need to hack it, or we need another plugin
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> care to see if there is one? :)
17:30 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, can supybot join two channels with different nicknames?
17:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (8 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (8 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || Z-Man's Ladle Fortress (5 players) || Spiral's Den (5 players) || The Mutiny~FoC~ (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (4 players) || (1 more message)
17:30 <Vanhayes> hmm who often is that updated?
17:30 <Vanhayes> how*
17:35 <spidey> #armaservers
17:35 <armabot> spidey: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (8 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (8 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || Z-Man's Ladle Fortress (5 players) || Spiral's Den (5 players) || The Mutiny~FoC~ (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (4 players) || (1 more message)
17:36 <spidey> #more
17:36 <armabot> spidey: Tigers Network Speed Blast (4 players) || The Lobster Cage (3 players) || __-=[0 s i r i s . h e x o n . c x]=-__ (0 players) || War spaet gestern... (acceleration, limited views) (0 players) || ~ Clan Server (0 players)
17:36 <spidey> mmm
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's on a cronjob on one of tank's machines
17:37 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as sugar-mambobot
17:38 -!- spidey is now known as Lucifer
17:38 <Lucifer> xD
17:38 -!- Vanhayes is now known as Spidey
17:38 -!- Lucifer is now known as Vanhayes
17:38 <Spidey> lol
17:38 <Vanhayes> i don't have a cap in my name :p
17:38 -!- Spidey is now known as spidey
17:38 <Vanhayes> xD
17:38 <spidey> #vanhayes
17:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
17:39 <Vanhayes> heh
17:39 <Vanhayes> bah
17:41 -!- spidey is now known as Vanhayes_
17:41 <Vanhayes> lol
17:41 -!- Vanhayes is now known as spidey
17:41 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
17:41 -!- sugar-mambobot is now known as Lucifer_arma
17:42 <Vanhayes> what is a mambo?
17:42 <Vanhayes> #dict mambo
17:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "mambo" could be found.
17:42 <wrtlprnft> #relay join #commits
17:42 <wrtlprnft> .relay join #commits
17:42 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:42 <wrtlprnft> test
17:43 <wrtlprnft> someone on some project commit something!
17:43 <wrtlprnft> usually there's a commit every few seconds...
17:44 <Lucifer_arma> that was me identifying for another bot I just setup for a different channel
17:45 <spidey> OO_o
17:45 <spidey> 8_8 eyes :o
17:45 <spidey> 4 eyes!
17:46 <Vanhayes> ? looks like a spider
17:46 <spidey> lol
17:46 <wrtlprnft> 88_88
17:46 <wrtlprnft> 8 eyes!
17:46 <spidey> error called me a noob :(
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, welcome to my professional life, wrtlprnft :)
17:47 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:47 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
17:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
17:47 <spidey> #quote get 17
17:47 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
17:47 <Vanhayes> lots of ppl call u a nobb spidey
17:47 <Vanhayes> heh noob*
17:47 <spidey> i'm not a noob :(
17:47 <spidey> !!
17:48 <wrtlprnft> so what is my bot doing now in #commits?
17:48 <Vanhayes> iM sure lots of ppl call you a nobb too tho
17:48 <wrtlprnft> just sitting there and watching?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> .list relay
17:48 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: join, nicks, and part
17:48 <wrtlprnft> .relay nicks
17:48 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: I'm not relaying in #armagetron.
17:48 <wrtlprnft> .relay nicks #commits
17:48 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
17:48 <wrtlprnft> ...
17:49 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> .eco
17:49 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "eco" is not a valid command.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> .echo
17:49 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> .echo ""
17:49 <wrtlbot> Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
17:49 <spidey> .say
17:49 <wrtlbot> spidey: Error: "say" is not a valid command.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> great.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> ...
17:49 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
17:49 <Vanhayes> .echo the
17:49 <wrtlbot> the
17:49 <spidey> lol
17:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, i guess . is a bad choice ;)
17:49 <spidey> huh....
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> .fuckme
17:49 <wrtlbot> Lucifer_arma: Error: "fuckme" is not a valid command.
17:49 <spidey> lol
17:50 <wrtlprnft> .config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ,
17:50 <Vanhayes> #success Made spidey gay
17:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded. Made spidey gay
17:50 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:50 <wrtlprnft> ,echo hi there
17:50 <wrtlbot> hi there
17:50 <spidey> alias add fuckme "$botnick fucks $who $randomInt time"
17:50 <spidey> O_o
17:50 <Vanhayes> er
17:50 <Vanhayes> first off u need a #
17:50 <spidey> ah what?
17:50 <spidey> for what?
17:51 <Vanhayes> if u wanted to add that alias
17:51 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt $randomInt
17:51 <armabot> -69 -818 978 -287 339 -995 70 -508 -228
17:52 <spidey> i don't....
17:52 <wrtlprnft> well, $randomInt doesn't seem to be very suitable for that :)
17:52 <spidey> mmm
17:52 <Vanhayes> lol
17:52 <spidey> .echo randomInt
17:52 <spidey> O_o
17:52 <wrtlprnft> ,echo $randomInt
17:52 <Vanhayes> ,echo randomint
17:52 <wrtlbot> randomint
17:52 <wrtlbot> -635
17:52 <spidey> lol
17:52 <spidey> ,ho randomInt
17:52 <wrtlbot> spidey: Error: "ho" is not a valid command.
17:52 <spidey> hahaha
17:53 <spidey> ,echo randomInt
17:53 <wrtlbot> randomInt
17:53 <spidey> oh
17:53 <wrtlprnft> ,_,
17:53 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "_," is not a valid command.
17:53 <wrtlprnft> #_#
17:53 <spidey> ,echo $randomInt
17:53 <wrtlbot> -92
17:53 <armabot> Random Fortune: Life is to you a dashing and bold adventure.
17:53 <spidey> ??
17:53 <Vanhayes> ##
17:53 <armabot> Random Fortune: It [being a Vulcan] means to adopt a philosophy, a way of life which is || logical and beneficial. We cannot disregard that philosophy merely for || personal gain, no matter how important that gain might be. || -- Spock, "Journey to Babel", stardate 3842.4
17:53 <spidey> #
17:53 <Vanhayes> # #
17:53 <armabot> Random Fortune: I like work; it fascinates me; I can sit and look at it for hours.
17:53 <Vanhayes> heh
17:54 <wrtlprnft> #_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _#
17:54 <wrtlprnft> :(
17:54 <spidey> pwn
17:54 <wrtlprnft> #_______________#
17:54 <armabot> Random Fortune: "He expanded his chest to make it totally clear that here || was the sort of man you only dared to cross if you had a || team of Sherpas with you. "
17:54 <Vanhayes> lol
17:54 <spidey> ____#____________#
17:54 <wrtlprnft> _#_
17:54 <Vanhayes> #eliza heelo
17:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
17:54 <Vanhayes> er
17:54 <spidey> lol
17:54 <Vanhayes> #eliza hello
17:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
17:55 <Vanhayes> #eliza bitch
17:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> #eliza fuck
17:55 <Vanhayes> #eliza you are a bitch
17:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Can you elaborate on that?
17:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Please, watch your tongue!
17:55 <Vanhayes> hehe
17:55 <wrtlprnft> really Vanhayes, really. you HAVE to watch your tongue
17:55 <wrtlprnft> /join #eliza
17:56 <Vanhayes> lol
17:56 <spidey> i can only see the tip of mine
17:56 <Vanhayes> ,eliza test
17:56 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: Error: "eliza" is not a valid command.
17:56 <Vanhayes> didnt think so
17:56 <spidey> pwn
17:56 <Vanhayes> #dict pwn
17:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: vera: PWN Peacenet World News
17:56 <Vanhayes> HA
17:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is pwn
17:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pwn: nothing appropriate
17:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
17:56 <wrtlprnft> pwn
17:56 <Vanhayes> #cyborg PWN
17:57 <Vanhayes> er
17:57 <Vanhayes> #list
17:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
17:57 <wrtlprnft> ,cyborg pwn
17:57 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "cyborg" is not a valid command.
17:57 <wrtlprnft> ,list
17:57 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Dict, Format, Games, Google, Insult, Internet, Later, Math, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Praise, Protector, RSS, Relay, Seen, String, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
17:57 <Vanhayes> #list utilities
17:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: apply, echo, ignore, last, re, reply, shuffle, strlen, and success
17:57 <wrtlprnft> ,list games
17:57 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
17:57 <Vanhayes> #list misc
17:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version
17:57 <Vanhayes> ,coin yes no
17:57 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: (coin takes no arguments) -- Flips a coin and returns the result.
17:57 <Vanhayes> ,coin
17:57 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: tails
17:58 <wrtlprnft> looks like cyborg isn't a standard supybot plugin
17:58 <Vanhayes> heads spidey is gay tails he is still in the closet about it
17:58 <Vanhayes> ,coin
17:58 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: heads
17:58 <Vanhayes> lol
17:58 <Vanhayes> hmm wasnt there a cyborg before?
17:58 <spidey> heads vanhayes likes men,tails he's bi-sexual
17:58 <wrtlprnft> maybe Lucifer_arma installed it manually
17:58 <spidey> ,coin
17:58 <wrtlbot> spidey: heads
17:59 <spidey> pwn
17:59 <spidey> ,coin
17:59 <wrtlbot> spidey: tails
17:59 <spidey> ,coin
17:59 <wrtlbot> spidey: heads
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #alias add coin heads
17:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:59 <spidey> O_o
17:59 <spidey> ,coin
17:59 <wrtlbot> spidey: heads
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #alias add coin echo heads
17:59 <spidey> ,coin
17:59 <wrtlbot> spidey: heads
17:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #coin
17:59 <armabot> heads
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #coin
17:59 <armabot> heads
17:59 <Vanhayes> lol
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #coin
17:59 <armabot> heads
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #coin
17:59 <armabot> heads
17:59 <wrtlprnft> haha
17:59 <Vanhayes> rigged it
18:00 <Vanhayes> #list
18:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
18:00 <wrtlprnft> now we can make bets ;)
18:00 <Vanhayes> #list services
18:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
18:00 <Vanhayes> #list alias
18:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, lotto, lucifer, (1 more message)
18:00 <wrtlprnft> heads: you give me $1000, tails: i give you $1000
18:00 <wrtlprnft> #coin
18:00 <armabot> heads
18:00 <Vanhayes> heh
18:00 <Vanhayes> #more
18:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
18:00 <Vanhayes> #scare
18:00 <armabot> BOO!
18:01 <spidey> heads: wrtl gives me $100,tails i give you $1000
18:01 <spidey> #game coin
18:01 <spidey> O_o
18:01 <spidey> #games coin
18:01 <Vanhayes> ,coin
18:01 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: tails
18:01 <Vanhayes> HA
18:01 <spidey> mmm
18:01 <Vanhayes> pwnt
18:01 <spidey> #list games
18:01 <armabot> spidey: Error: 'games' is not a valid plugin.
18:01 <spidey> #list game
18:01 <Vanhayes> #coin
18:01 <armabot> spidey: Error: 'game' is not a valid plugin.
18:01 <armabot> heads
18:01 <spidey> ?
18:01 <Vanhayes> no games
18:01 <wrtlprnft> #list
18:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
18:01 <wrtlprnft> #help coin
18:01 <spidey> no game :/
18:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (coin <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for <<echo heads>>
18:02 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:02 <Vanhayes> spidey just #coin
18:02 <Vanhayes> but u owe wrt; $1000, it was tails first
18:02 <spidey> no
18:02 <spidey> you did it
18:02 <spidey> not me :p
18:02 <spidey> doesn't count xD
18:02 <Vanhayes> but I am impartial
18:03 <spidey> no
18:03 <Vanhayes> #scare spidey
18:03 <armabot> BOO!
18:03 <Vanhayes> er
18:03 <Vanhayes> #whoisshe spidey
18:03 <armabot> spidey: cusco is the girl for you!
18:03 <wrtlprnft> #config plugins
18:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Web Lart Insult nickometer Tail Dict Freshmeat Config AcronymFinder ChannelStats Seen Relay Nickometer Acronym Quote Gameknot Dcc Admin Amazon LogToIrc Channel Anonymous Services News Sourceforge Minstrel User Darcs WordStats Dunno Later ChannelLogger Ebay Herald Alias Games Karma Praise Time Markov Babelfish CyborgName darcs Google Math Misc Netcraft Pastebin Utilities Unix Weather (1 more message)
18:04 <Vanhayes> heh
18:04 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
18:04 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a fobbing mound of ruttish jizzum.
18:04 <Vanhayes> wow
18:04 <Vanhayes> #dict fobbing
18:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn and gcide responded: wn: fobbing See {fob}; gcide: Fob \Fob\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Fobbed}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Fobbing}.] [Cf.Fop.] [1913 Webster] 1. To beat; to maul. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] 2. To cheat; to trick; to impose on. --Shak. [1913 Webster] {To fob off}, to shift off by an artifice; to put aside; to delude with a trick."A conspiracy of bishops could prostrate and fob off (2 more messages)
18:04 <Vanhayes> #more
18:04 <wrtlprnft> ,config supybot.directories.plugins
18:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: the right of the people." --Milton. [1913 Webster]; wn: fob n 1: a vest pocket to hold a pocket watch [syn: {watch pocket}] 2: an adornment that hangs from a watch chain 3: short chain or ribbon attaching a pocket watch to a man's vest [syn: {watch chain}, {watch guard}] v : deceive somebody; "We tricked the teacher into thinking that class would be cancelled next week" [syn: {trick}, (1 more message)
18:04 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins
18:04 <wrtlprnft> ,config supybot.directories.plugins /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins
18:04 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ,config supybot.directories.plugins /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins, /home/mathias/supy
18:05 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
18:05 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> that's empty right now
18:05 <wrtlprnft> let's see what i can put in there
18:08 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
18:10 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
18:10 <Vanhayes> #hello
18:10 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :)
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
18:11 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
18:11 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ,woot
18:11 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: hi there!
18:11 <wrtlprnft> woot!
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ,list CIA
18:11 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: woot
18:11 <wrtlprnft> that was easy
18:11 <Vanhayes> ,woot
18:11 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: hi there!
18:12 <wrtlprnft> ok, but now i need that plugin to listen in #commits and paste in #armagetron
18:12 <wrtlprnft> which goes beyond that tutorial, apparently
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ,plugin help cia
18:13 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "plugin" is not a valid command.
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ,help cia
18:13 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "cia".
18:13 <wrtlprnft> whatever
18:13 <spidey> help plugin cia
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ,help plugin cia
18:13 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "plugin cia".
18:13 <wrtlprnft> pwn
18:13 <spidey> ,help plugin CIA
18:13 <wrtlbot> spidey: Error: There is no command "plugin cia".
18:13 <spidey> ,help CIA
18:13 <wrtlbot> spidey: Error: There is no command "cia".
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ,load Plugin
18:13 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:13 <wrtlprnft> Plugin is a plugin?!
18:13 <spidey> ,help hepl
18:13 <spidey> ,help help
18:13 <wrtlbot> spidey: Error: There is no command "hepl".
18:13 <wrtlbot> spidey: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ,help plugin cia
18:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "plugin cia".
18:14 <spidey> ...
18:14 <wrtlprnft> ,plugin help cia
18:14 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Add the help for "@plugin help CIA" here This should describe *how* to use this plugin.
18:14 <wrtlprnft> yay
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
18:18 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
18:18 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:18 <wrtlprnft> asdf
18:19 <wrtlprnft> ,test
18:19 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
18:19 <spidey> #list CIA
18:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: 'CIA' is not a valid plugin.
18:19 <spidey> pwn
18:19 <wrtlprnft> ,list cia
18:19 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: woot
18:19 <spidey> oh
18:19 <spidey> my bad
18:19 <spidey> lol
18:19 <wrtlprnft> pwn
18:19 <spidey> .woot
18:19 <wrtlprnft> :P
18:19 <spidey> ,woot
18:19 <wrtlbot> spidey: hi there!
18:19 <spidey> ,woot
18:19 <wrtlbot> spidey: hi there!
18:19 <spidey> O_o
18:19 <wrtlprnft> doesn't do anything yet
18:20 <spidey> hehe
18:20 <wrtlprnft> ,help woot
18:20 <Vanhayes> #ping
18:20 <armabot> pong
18:20 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: (woot Doesn't do anything) --
18:20 <Vanhayes> ,list
18:20 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, Config, Dict, Format, Games, Google, Insult, Internet, Later, Math, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Protector, RSS, Relay, Seen, String, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
18:20 <Vanhayes> ,list alias
18:20 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: add, fluffy, g, hello, lock, remove, and unlock
18:20 <Vanhayes> lol
18:20 <Vanhayes> ,fluffy
18:20 <wrtlbot> An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball.
18:26 <Vanhayes> #sunseeker
18:26 <Vanhayes> er
18:26 <Vanhayes> #dict sunseeker
18:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "sunseeker" could be found.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
18:27 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
18:27 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> test
18:27 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:27 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:28 <Vanhayes> hmm no ,?
18:28 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, this probably is annoying, i guess
18:28 <Vanhayes> ack
18:28 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:28 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:28 <wrtlprnft> but it works
18:28 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: this is a test, possibly annoying
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
18:28 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
18:28 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> asdf
18:28 <wrtlprnft> commented it out
18:28 <wrtlprnft> one step further. now i can act on something someone said ;)
18:31 <wrtlprnft> ok, i definitely like c++ syntax more than python. This is annoying ;)
18:37 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@147.69.111.20] has joined #armagetron
18:37 <spidey> O_o
18:38 <Lizz> hiya
18:38 <Lizz> hiya arac
18:38 * spidey pokes wizz
18:38 <Lizz> *bites spider*
18:38 <Lizz> luke sent me here i got a question for all u gurus
18:39 * spidey points to the guru
18:39 <Lizz> i want to kno if there is a way a 0.2.7 user can access a 0.2.8.2 server?
18:40 <spidey> ?
18:40 <spidey> i can access a 2.8.2 server on 2.7.1
18:40 <wrtlprnft> Lizz: there is by default
18:40 <wrtlprnft> there are some settings that will block out 2.7.1 clients, though
18:40 <Lizz> how wrt?? canis cant access MBC it dosent show on his ML
18:41 <wrtlprnft> do you have the console output when the server starts? it'll show something like, seccond
18:41 <spidey> boosh doesn't have that option on.....
18:41 <spidey> i can connect with 2..7.1
18:41 <Lizz> what does boosh need to do to fix it?
18:41 <spidey> it's not broken....
18:41 <Lizz> k
18:42 <wrtlprnft> you can? then it's not settings
18:42 <Lizz> so why dosent MBC show on his list?
18:42 <spidey> that doesn't mean he can't access it :p
18:42 <spidey> tell him to custom conenct
18:42 <Lizz> ok ill tell him.. tho.. maybe he has 0.2.7.0?
18:43 <spidey> ew
18:43 <spidey> and how did he get it?
18:43 <Lizz> i dunno im just trying to help :/
18:43 <spidey> the download page is down
18:43 <wrtlprnft> bad idea to have that version
18:43 <Lizz> he got it thu a link.. one sec
18:44 <Lizz> http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?file_id=2372
18:44 <Lizz> thas where he got it
18:44 <spidey> wrtl?
18:44 <spidey> 2.7.1 isn't on sourceforge? O_o
18:45 <spidey> nvm
18:45 <wrtlprnft> it should be, maybe it's hidden
18:45 <spidey> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-windows-0.2.7.1.exe?use_mirror=easynews
18:45 <spidey> give him that link
18:45 <Lizz> ok
18:45 <spidey> wait
18:46 <spidey> http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-windows-0.2.7.1.exe
18:46 <spidey> direct link
18:46 <Lizz> kk
18:46 <Lizz> spider.. IM me that plz
18:47 <Lizz> and with that he can access MBC?
18:47 <spidey> highlight it
18:47 <spidey> then past
18:47 <spidey> paste
18:47 <Lizz> how? i dont use irc much sorry <~~~~noob
18:47 <spidey> lol
18:47 <Lizz> :P
18:47 <spidey> click just after the link and hold
18:47 <spidey> drag to the other end
18:47 <spidey> and let go
18:47 <spidey> then paste it to him
18:48 <Lizz> k got it ty
18:48 <Lizz> and u can get in with that version?
18:48 <spidey> i can....
18:48 <spidey> but he might have to custom connect
18:48 <Lizz> *slaps arac* why the **** didnt u tell me that b4 :P lmao
18:48 <spidey> ugh
18:48 <Lizz> heh
18:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft> you can? then it's not settings
18:49 <spidey> <Lizz> so why dosent MBC show on his list?
18:49 <spidey> <spidey> that doesn't mean he can't access it :p
18:49 <spidey> <spidey> tell him to custom conenct
18:49 <spidey> i did :p
18:49 <Lizz> i meant b4 today u goober :P
18:49 <spidey> never asked :s
18:49 <Lizz> true.. lol
18:49 <Lizz> but u should kno.. we talk enuff :P
18:50 <spidey> i didn't have to though,and i didn't know it wasn't showing on his list :p
18:50 <spidey> so i didn't know he needed to know
18:50 <spidey> pwn
18:50 <spidey> xD
18:50 <Lizz> bah.. excuses :P lol
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18:51 <spidey> wrtl
18:51 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-008-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
18:51 <Lizz> so this is where u come to annoy ppl eh arac?? lol
18:51 <wrtlprnft> anyone any clue how a supybot plugin can send a given message to a given channel?
18:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey
18:51 <spidey> how do i add the ssh daemon to the auto start-up list
18:51 <spidey> O_o
18:51 <wrtlprnft> Lizz: yes it is ;)
18:51 <Lizz> LOL
18:51 <spidey> #quote get 18
18:51 <armabot> spidey: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
18:51 <spidey> :(
18:51 <Lizz> threaten him with hot wax wrt.. lmao
18:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: uh, what distri?
18:52 <spidey> mepis
18:52 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
18:52 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
18:52 <wrtlprnft> does ls /etc/init.d/ output anything with ssh in it?
18:52 <spidey> #vanhayes
18:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks Vanhayes is gay
18:52 <Vanhayes> bah
18:52 <spidey> yea
18:52 <Lizz> hiya van
18:52 <spidey> that's how i start it
18:52 <Vanhayes> hey
18:52 <spidey> but how do i add it to the auto start list
18:52 <spidey> ~/etc/init.d/ssh
18:53 <wrtlprnft> spidey: then try ln -s /etc/init.d/sshd /etc/rc5.d/S20sshd
18:53 <spidey> is how i start it :/
18:53 <spidey> kk sec
18:53 <wrtlprnft> not sure however, that works with debian
18:54 * Vanhayes downloads 0.2.5.2
18:54 <wrtlprnft> #vanhayes
18:54 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
18:54 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:54 <Vanhayes> ack
18:54 <Vanhayes> #lucifer
18:54 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
18:54 <wrtlprnft> #vanhayes
18:54 <armabot> Lucifer thinks Vanhayes is cool
18:54 <Vanhayes> weird
18:55 * Vanhayes installs 0.2.5.2
18:55 * Vanhayes plays 0.2.5.2
18:55 <wrtlprnft> have fun
18:56 <wrtlprnft> versions <0.2.6 don't even compile for me
18:56 <spidey> 2.5.2
18:56 <spidey> i got it installed,i ran the server
18:57 <spidey> it's pretty cool playing with all the old bugs
18:57 * Vanhayes wants the 0.1 branch
18:57 <spidey> spidey@3[~]$ uptime
18:57 <spidey> 19:57:54 up 2 days, 13:43, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
18:57 <wrtlprnft> #u
18:57 <armabot> spidey: 01:57:10 up 61 days, 2:02, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
18:57 <spidey> bah
18:57 <spidey> i had a power outage
18:57 <wrtlprnft> spidey: set your clock a bit faster?
18:58 <spidey> no?
18:58 <Vanhayes> hmm 0.2.5.2 isnt called armagetron advanced
18:58 <Vanhayes> just armagetron
18:58 <spidey> ohhh
18:58 <spidey> yea it's 1 hour fast
18:59 <Vanhayes> um so I cant play over the internet with 0.2.5.2
18:59 <spidey> should be able to?
19:00 <Vanhayes> unreachable all acroos the board
19:00 <Vanhayes> across*
19:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe the master changed
19:00 <spidey> try custom
19:00 <spidey> or update the master
19:00 <Vanhayes> wow there was no rubber meter back then?
19:00 <spidey> in master.svc or something
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: the whole HUD appeared in 0.2.7
19:01 <Vanhayes> wow that must have been when i started playing tron
19:02 <spidey> i'ma go annoy people in fortress
19:02 <wrtlprnft> have fun
19:02 <spidey> hope zop's there i want someone to tk
19:02 * Vanhayes uninstalls 0.2.5.2
19:02 <wrtlprnft> supybot's interface is driving me crazy
19:02 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: come on, show the people in bf how you play with 0.2.5.2 :)
19:03 <Vanhayes> I cant connect to any thing
19:03 <Vanhayes> I have to browse the old master list
19:03 <wrtlprnft> you can custom connect to BF fortress
19:03 <wrtlprnft> !!!
19:03 <wrtlprnft> you actually installed it?
19:03 <Vanhayes> yes
19:03 <wrtlprnft> you just lost a big bunch of settings
19:03 <wrtlprnft> all that are new since that version
19:04 <wrtlprnft> that includes most instant chats
19:04 <Vanhayes> It didnt overwrite armagetron ad because this is armagetron
19:04 <wrtlprnft> but your profile, if you can browse the old master list (that was created by the newer version probably)
19:04 <wrtlprnft> whatever, i have no clue about windows, so i should stfu
19:07 <Vanhayes> spidey did someone just connect to fortress then disconnect?
19:08 <Vanhayes> spidey, are u even in fortress?
19:08 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:08 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:08 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:08 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:09 <Vanhayes> ,help CIA
19:09 <wrtlbot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "cia".
19:09 <Vanhayes> er
19:09 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work :(
19:09 <wrtlprnft> ah, nvm
19:10 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:10 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:10 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:10 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:12 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:12 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:12 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:12 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:12 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn:
19:12 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn:
19:12 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn:
19:12 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn:
19:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:12 <Vanhayes> huh?
19:12 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
19:12 <wrtlprnft> now it just needs to post the actual message...
19:13 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: join #commits
19:13 <wrtlbot> Fink:
19:13 <Vanhayes> ok in a sec
19:13 <wrtlprnft> it currently seems to print the first word of everything anyone says
19:13 <wrtlbot> Fink:
19:14 <wrtlbot> Fink:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:14 <wrtlbot> WebKit:
19:15 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:15 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> quiet right now...
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: mhagger trunk * r2420 /cvs2svn_lib/symbol_statistics.py: (log message trimmed)
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: Compute excludes only where it is needed.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: * cvs2svn_lib/symbol_statistics.py
19:16 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: (SymbolStatistics._find_blocked_excludes): Take symbols as argument
19:16 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: instead of excludes. Compute excludes internally.
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: (SymbolStatistics._check_blocked_excludes): Take symbols as argument
19:16 <wrtlbot> cvs2svn: instead of excludes.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> that's what i want
19:16 <Vanhayes> works
19:16 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to filter it to only display things that start with armagetronad
19:16 <wrtlbot> gcc: gccadmin gcc-4_0-branch * r114874 gcc/version.c: Daily bump.
19:16 <wrtlbot> gcc: gccadmin gcc-4_0-branch * r114875 libstdc++-v3/include/bits/c++config: Daily bump.
19:16 <wrtlbot> WebKit: thatcher WebCore-418.19.1 * r14963 /: Tag for WebCore 418.19.1 (part 1 of 2.)
19:17 <wrtlbot> WebKit: thatcher WebCore-418.19.1 * r14964 /WebCore/: Tag for WebCore 418.19.1 (part 2 of 2.)
19:17 <wrtlbot> gcc: gccadmin gcc-4_1-branch * r114876 gcc/DATESTAMP: Daily bump.
19:17 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:17 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:17 <Vanhayes> yes because otherwise it could get annoying
19:17 <wrtlprnft> for now, that's getting annoying :P
19:17 <Vanhayes> lol
19:17 <wrtlprnft> just need that armagetronad filter
19:17 <wrtlprnft> which is another obstacle with my nonexisting python knowledge
19:18 <LuciEatsPeople> check out the RE module
19:18 <LuciEatsPeople> you can do regex, right?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:19 <wrtlprnft> what about some command that is equivalent with str.StartsWith("armagetronad: ")=
19:19 <wrtlprnft> *?
19:19 <wrtlprnft> does substr work?
19:20 <LuciEatsPeople> that's be "armagetronad".startswith
19:20 <LuciEatsPeople> or something like that
19:20 <LuciEatsPeople> http://docs.python.org/lib/string-methods.html
19:20 <wrtlprnft> thanks
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:22 <wrtlbot> OpenBeOS: it "owns" the paths
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: mr * gossip/ (9 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: * src/Makefile.am:
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: * src/gossip-app.c:
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,woot
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: * ui/main.glade: Loads of stuff:
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: - Added gossip_debug.
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: yes
19:22 <wrtlbot> gnome: - Added the gnome throbber for "connecting" states.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> seems to work
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,woot
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: no
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:22 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ok, it does
19:23 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:23 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: invalid syntax (plugin.py, line 51)
19:23 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:23 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:23 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: wanna commit something?
19:32 <Lizz> commit spider.. hes insane :P
19:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey can't commit
19:33 <wrtlprnft> second, i will have something to commit in a bit anyways
19:34 <LuciEatsPeople> '
19:34 <LuciEatsPeople> I'm busy eating people
19:38 <wrtlprnft> nooo
19:38 <wrtlprnft> it didn
19:39 <wrtlprnft> 't appear in here :(
19:40 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:40 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: Cia is already loaded.
19:40 <wrtlprnft> ,unload CIA
19:40 <wrtlprnft> ,load CIA
19:40 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:41 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:43 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r4964 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: added language string for DISPLAY_COLORED_NAMES_OVER_CYCLES, mostly a test commit
19:43 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:43 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:43 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:43 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately the first one got lost :(
19:43 <Lizz> *wonders if the ppl luci is eating taste like chicken*
19:43 <wrtlprnft> they probably do
19:44 <Lizz> *nods*
19:44 <LuciEatsPeople> more or less
19:44 <Lizz> saucy?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r4963 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (NEWS src/tron/gCycle.cpp): The names that are displayed over other cycles now get colored in the same color as the cycle. Disable this by setting DISPLAY_COLORED_NAMES_OVER_CYCLES to 0.
19:44 <wrtlprnft> that's the first one that got lost ;)
19:45 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: tell me when you get your armabot updated, then I'll send you my CIA plugin
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20:30 <Lucifer_armathos> Those people tasted a lot like pork
20:30 <spidey> psh
20:30 -!- Lucifer_armathos is now known as Lucifer_arma
20:30 <spidey> sad you have to disable chat
20:31 <spidey> fuckers in fortress "NOOB" it's like a second language
20:36 <Luke-Jr> spidey: what download page is down?
20:37 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: http://beta.armagetronad.net has all AA releases ever-- including when it was called Walls
20:37 <Vanhayes> that was the page that was down
20:38 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr, it still iss too
20:38 <Luke-Jr> oh, thanks for telling me -.-
20:38 * Luke-Jr did mention earlier to let me know of problems ASAP
20:39 <Luke-Jr> it's down? or the wrong page?
20:39 <Vanhayes> it says:
20:39 <Vanhayes> If you can see this, it means that the installation of the Apache web server software on this system was successful. You may now add content to this directory and replace this page.
20:39 <Vanhayes> Seeing this instead of the website you expected?
20:39 <Vanhayes> This page is here because the site administrator has changed the configuration of this web server. Please contact the person responsible for maintaining this server with questions. The Apache Software Foundation, which wrote the web server software this site administrator is using, has nothing to do with maintaining this site and cannot help resolve configuration issues.
20:39 <Vanhayes> The Apache documentation is available online or has been installed locally.
20:39 <Vanhayes> You are free to use the image below on an Apache-powered web server. Thanks for using Apache!
20:41 <Luke-Jr> aha
20:41 <Luke-Jr> weird
20:41 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ping ping ping
20:43 <Luke-Jr> #later tell guru3 not sure why it isn't, but beta.armagetronad.net should be CNAME to aabeta.dashjr.org, not just dashjr.org
20:43 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
20:44 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: for now, http://aabeta.dashjr.org
20:44 <Vanhayes> #babelize german english Staatlich gepr?fter Techniker
20:44 <Vanhayes> thx
20:44 <Luke-Jr> http://aabeta.dashjr.org/?branch=0.1
20:44 <Vanhayes> lol can you play walls over the internet?
20:45 <Luke-Jr> no
20:45 <Luke-Jr> I'm not sure if 0.1 does either
20:45 <Vanhayes> heh that would be funny
20:45 <Luke-Jr> either way, I'm pretty sure 0.2 isn't compatible with 0.1
20:54 <Vanhayes> #list
20:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
20:54 <Vanhayes> #babelfish
20:54 <Vanhayes> #help babelfish
20:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "babelfish".
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20:56 <Your_mom_arm1> "Henk Haagsman, a professor of meat sciences at Utrecht University, and his Dutch colleagues are working on growing artificial pork meat out of pig stem cells."http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71201-0.html?tw=wn_index_1
20:58 <Luke-Jr> #later tell Lucifer_arma the server migration isn't supposed to interrupt services-- let me know if they do again (in this case, beta.armagetronad.net has a wrong DNS-- so guru3's gotta fix it)
20:58 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
20:59 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft only beta.armagetronad.net's DNS was misconfigured, so the resource repo should be unaffected
20:59 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
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20:59 <Luke-Jr> cusco: sorry, my URL earlier had typos or something
21:00 <Luke-Jr> http://resource.armagetronad.net/ed/fortress/crossfire-0.0.1.aamap.xml
21:00 <Vanhayes> damn#realchatlogs
21:00 <Vanhayes> er
21:00 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
21:00 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
21:01 <Luke-Jr> #later tell guru3 also, if you could put in the topic or such "if beta.armagetronad.net has any problems, please contact Luke-Jr ASAP"
21:01 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
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21:01 <Luke-Jr> guru3: hi?
21:06 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: http://aabeta.dashjr.org/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
21:06 <joda_bo1> "Click here for the latest stable version. " points to 2.7.1 :-(
21:07 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: Am I able to update those pages ? e.g. is it accessible by sf ?
21:07 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: no, it's on a seperate CVS
21:08 <Luke-Jr> when I move it to my new server, it will use SF's Svn
21:09 <joda_bo1> ok
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21:10 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can it be to temporarily answer to dashjr.org?
21:10 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ?
21:10 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4601&highlight= ... did you answer / update instructions on the wiki ?
21:11 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: How about adding the neccessary files for mac os x libraries to "winlibs". "winlibs" could be renamed to "libs". Proposal for the structure below libary subfolders: source (if present), includes (if needed), win32/*.dll, macosx/*.dynlib
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21:11 <Vanhayes> hmm Lucifer_arma: now that i have .3 again how do I fix that sound_buffer_size problem?
21:11 <joda_bo1> This results in mac os and win libraries being at hand
21:12 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: luke-jr * www-aabeta/ (index.php releases_filter.php): latest stable update thx to joda
21:12 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: fixed
21:12 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: I don't see what belongs on the wiki
21:12 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: I don't have any objection to rearranging libs like that
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you do, in the console, sound_buffer_size somenumber
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> then restart
21:12 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: A short explanation how to use resource.armagetronad.net
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> it gets saved when you exit
21:13 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: that is on the site
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> try 0.125 first and tell me what happens, that brings it back to 64 samples, the old windows default
21:13 <Vanhayes> but it wont start up
21:13 <Luke-Jr> wtf? how did we get CVS commits here?
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> er, it was hardcoded
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, open user.cfg (wherever it is) and search for "sound_buffer_size", and remove it
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> assuming sound_buffer_size is the reason it won't start up
21:13 <joda_bo1> Lucifer_arma: I guess I'll have to edit my user_0.3 by hand, as the debug build keeps crashing
21:14 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: How'd you get CVS commits here?
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's wrtlbot
21:15 <Luke-Jr> oh
21:15 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft How'd you get CVS commits here?
21:15 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> when my nasty update finishes, wrtlprnft will send me his cia plugin and armabot will do it for us
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's on 77 of 132 and shows promise of finishing
21:15 <Luke-Jr> heh
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's done with most of the core packages
21:15 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: he made a bot for it ...
21:16 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: obviously, but I don't think CIA publishes realtime stats except #commits
21:16 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: But shouldn't cia support IRC bots too ?
21:16 <Luke-Jr> so unless it's just grepping #commits chat
21:16 <Luke-Jr> er... i guess it is
21:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlbot's in #commits >.>
21:16 <joda_bo1> at least I read something about bots and IRC on their site, also about different filters
21:16 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: yes, the CIA bot will join channels on request
21:17 <Luke-Jr> #commits shows everything
21:17 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: would make more sense to register with the bot and let it send that stuff privately ... but well then it generates alot of traffic
21:19 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: ...
21:19 <Luke-Jr> would make sense to jsut have the CIA bot in here itself =p
21:19 <Luke-Jr> actually, it'd be cool if it could do XMPP notifications
21:20 <Luke-Jr> and then anyone can just write an app to subscribe to it and announce wherever
21:20 <Luke-Jr> hm, maybe XMPP can kill RSS ;)
21:20 * Lucifer_arma thinks Luke-Jr has "XMPP RULZ!!" tattooed on his arm
21:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you like wrtlbot ?
21:22 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: :)
21:22 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: it solves a lot of things
21:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: wrtlbot filters #commits for armagetronad and posts the results
21:22 <Luke-Jr> ah
21:22 <Luke-Jr> nice
21:22 <Luke-Jr> so it will catch gentoo commits regarding armagetronad? ;)
21:22 <wrtlprnft> we could get a CIA bot in here, but Lucifer_arma doesn't want two bots
21:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yes
21:22 <Luke-Jr> cool
21:23 <wrtlprnft> though it will only catch the line containing armagetronad, for multiline- commits
21:23 <Luke-Jr> hm
21:24 <spidey> wrtl,is there a way to strip colors from text?
21:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey: what text?
21:24 <spidey> in tron
21:24 <Luke-Jr> spidey: we do it already
21:24 <spidey> that shit's getting old O_o
21:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, yes there is, serverside
21:24 <spidey> clientside?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlbot: doesn't the client do it too?
21:24 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command.
21:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlbot: you need a different name
21:25 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
21:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: to filter 'top speed' and such
21:25 <spidey> that's the hud
21:25 <Luke-Jr> so?
21:25 <spidey> and .3 doesn't have it
21:25 <wrtlprnft> can't clientside, unfortunately, execpt if you don't want the color codes for names
21:25 <Luke-Jr> same strings
21:25 <wrtlprnft> there is an option for that
21:25 <spidey> meh
21:26 <wrtlprnft> but as i said, it will make all chat messages appear in one color, including the nicks
21:26 <spidey> why do people start using color codes for a complete sentance....
21:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: FILTER_COLOR_STRINGS 1
21:26 <spidey> i mean instant chats are one thing but all the time :/
21:26 <spidey> kk
21:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yeah, it sucks
21:26 <spidey> also
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i was proposing to disable color codes in instantchats ending in \, but z-man doesn't like the idea
21:26 <spidey> wtf was they trying to kick me earlier for?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and it would be clientside
21:27 <wrtlprnft> no clue, i didn't watch you, i was on the other team
21:27 <spidey> i disabled chat along time before they tried because i got tired of all the "lol clan" shit
21:27 <spidey> they are some annoying bastards O_o
21:28 * wrtlprnft things too many nice people are joining sp
21:28 <wrtlprnft> whatup, joda...
21:28 * spidey slaps sense into joda
21:28 <spidey> whatup,i really don't care
21:28 <spidey> joda,i know you're smarter!!! get out while you can!!!
21:28 <wrtlprnft> just another guy... well, it won't take long for them to break up again
21:29 <spidey> hopefully
21:29 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: Just trying to work from the inside ;)
21:30 <spidey> lol
21:30 <wrtlprnft> well, be careful, don't get eaten in there
21:30 <wrtlprnft> good luck
21:30 <joda_bo1> :-P
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21:30 <spidey> sp has offered me to join so many times
21:30 <spidey> on "fake" names
21:30 <spidey> but yet i suck
21:30 <Luke-Jr> the only clan's I've ever considered were MBC and CT =p
21:30 <spidey> ;)
21:30 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:31 <spidey> fuck
21:31 <spidey> burning pizza
21:31 <spidey> BRB
21:31 <wrtlprnft> though mbc isn't running around like crazy and asking everyone to join
21:31 <Luke-Jr> but they know better than to even ask me ;)
21:31 <Luke-Jr> since I'm NC =p
21:31 <Luke-Jr> and plan to stay NC
21:31 <spidey> NC?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> noclan
21:31 <Luke-Jr> Non-Clanned
21:31 <wrtlprnft> there is a NC clan...
21:31 <spidey> oh
21:31 <Vanhayes> there is a clan called no clan
21:31 <Luke-Jr> pfft
21:31 <spidey> i was gonna say O_o
21:32 <Vanhayes> lol
21:32 <wrtlprnft> or, there was, they all seem to have fallen off the side of the earth
21:32 <Luke-Jr> not really
21:32 <Luke-Jr> if there was, maybe they died for trying to conflict
21:32 <Luke-Jr> with both an older acronym and logic
21:32 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:33 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: can you have a look at http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64171#64171 ?
21:33 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't happen to me, maybe it's windowsspecific
21:36 <wrtlprnft> although it won't appear on wine :(
21:38 <Vanhayes> Gah does anyone know where SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE is saved?
21:38 <joda_bot> user_3_0.cfg
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21:39 <wrtlprnft> do we now officially omit the leading 0?
21:39 <joda_bot> C:\Documents & Settings\Administrator\ApplicationData\Armagetron\var ...
21:39 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: not sure ?
21:39 <wrtlprnft> well, it's missing from the filename
21:40 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: did we change the "alpha" appendix to svn revision ?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> so if we ever bring out a 3.0 the filenames will conflict
21:40 <Lizz> *slaps luke*
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21:40 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yes we did
21:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do you know where it's extracted from ?
21:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no, I don't know who decided to do user_3_0
21:41 <wrtlprnft> probably z-man
21:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'll back your changing it
21:41 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: all post-0.2.8 alpha are svn rev
21:41 <joda_bot> I saw that script/batch/version extracts something from the svn url or uses another command to get it
21:41 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: nope, but i think there's some cvs magic strings
21:41 <wrtlprnft> they probably exist for svn, too
21:41 <wrtlprnft> $REVISION$ or something
21:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: What bug wanted me to check ?
21:42 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: the one that omits special chars in the score table
21:42 <wrtlprnft> the one i linked to
21:42 <wrtlprnft> #last --with http
21:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:34:09] <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: can you have a look at http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64171#64171 ?
21:43 <joda_bot> did van-hayes post pictures... ah not logged in
21:43 <spidey> did z-man really expect that teach before you kick rule to work?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> he did post, yes
21:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> ah, i guess it was a desperate try
21:44 <spidey> thought i saw somewhere in the join message "teach people before you try to kick"
21:44 <wrtlprnft> he actually did it himself, but noone else did
21:44 <Luke-Jr> wait... we have email @armagetronad.net?
21:44 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: probably gets eaten by the "*" or the color code
21:44 <Vanhayes> lol I think he got kicked trying to coach someone
21:44 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html#Keyword%20Substitution%20(RCS%20Keywords)
21:45 <Vanhayes> er I didnt post pics ghab did
21:45 <wrtlprnft> something similar must exist for svn
21:45 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: the "*" is in another text field...
21:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: same, just set svn:keywords on the file to what you need
21:45 <spidey> mm
21:45 <spidey> i just found out why they tried to kick me
21:45 <spidey> i wouldn't shuffle out so zop could double grind
21:45 <Luke-Jr> svn propset svn:keywords Revision <file>
21:46 <spidey> is that even a valid reason to kick?
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> they kicked you for that?
21:46 <Luke-Jr> no
21:46 <spidey> they tried
21:46 <wrtlprnft> no, it isn't
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> using a fake name?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> it is a sign that the people on BF are getting crazy
21:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:46 <spidey> BlAzE
21:46 <Luke-Jr> maybe z-man should give people access to kick-without-poll ;)
21:46 <spidey> it doesn't matter if i was using a fake name
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> we need real acls before he can do that
21:46 <wrtlprnft> z-man should start a row of new experiments
21:46 <Luke-Jr> people who will kick the kick-poll-for-bad-reason ppl
21:46 <spidey> they shouldn't have TRIED to kick me fore that
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and tell people that they will continue as long as noobs get kicked
21:47 <Luke-Jr> hehe
21:47 <wrtlprnft> spidey: they were telling you to shuffle out all the time, yes
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and insulting you too
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, it shouldn't matter, but I had someone tell me to shuffle out or doublegrind, and I told him he'd have to kick me because I was doing neither
21:47 <spidey> i had text disabled
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> and he didn't start the poll
21:47 <spidey> because they're morons
21:47 <Luke-Jr> spawn random mini deathzones every second?
21:47 <spidey> but anyways
21:47 <joda_bot> REVISION=`svn info ${srcdir} | grep ^Revision | sed -e 's,^Revision: ,,'`
21:47 <joda_bot> hm...
21:48 <joda_bot> how to implement that with cmd.exe :|
21:48 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: that gets the revision of the directory, as opposed to a single file
21:48 <spidey> i guess it's a good thing people there still like me xD
21:48 <spidey> or i'd be mac-cloning again O_o
21:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:48 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: we want the revision of a dir ;)
21:48 <Luke-Jr> bans aren't by MAC
21:48 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: yes it's used to get the Alpha$REVISION
21:48 <wrtlprnft> for the release string
21:48 <spidey> 70% of fortress people don't like me anymore :p
21:48 <Luke-Jr> ah
21:48 <spidey> Lizz, no,they're by ip
21:48 <spidey> oops
21:49 <Luke-Jr> so why MAC clone?
21:49 <spidey> Luke-Jr, they're by ip
21:49 * wrtlprnft is on the border of liking and not liking spidey
21:49 <spidey> a mac clone is a new mac address
21:49 <wrtlprnft> nooooo, now there's 3 people starting in l!
21:49 <spidey> therefor a new ip
21:49 * Luke-Jr hates spidey -- kick him every chance
21:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Lizz Lucifer_arma
21:49 <Luke-Jr> j/k
21:49 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ...
21:49 <Luke-Jr> or you can just change your IP
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be there while, wrtlprnft , I still haven't decided if I like or dislike spidey
21:49 <spidey> my isp issues ip's via mac address of the router
21:49 <Luke-Jr> just set a static IP
21:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i'll be where?
21:49 <spidey> no...
21:49 <Luke-Jr> to whatever is in your range
21:49 <spidey> hahah
21:50 <spidey> i have a HUGE fucking range
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft is on the border of liking and not liking spidey
21:50 <spidey> almost unbannable ;p
21:50 <Luke-Jr> so pick one
21:50 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:50 <spidey> 24.xxx.xxx.xxx 66.xxx.xxx.xxx and 68.xxx.xxx.xxx
21:50 <Luke-Jr> I have 4 IPs allocated ATM
21:50 <Luke-Jr> from the 24.x.x.x range
21:50 <spidey> you know how many people they would have to ban just to ban me?
21:50 <Luke-Jr> 1 to router/NAT, 1 to tsurukikun, 1 to koryusaikun, and 1 to hachi
21:50 <wrtlprnft> snobs ;)
21:50 <Luke-Jr> 24.x.x.x isn't your entire CMTS range
21:51 <Luke-Jr> some 24.x.x.x are CA, some MO, some CT, etc
21:51 <wrtlprnft> you don't want anyone to remember those server names, do you?
21:51 <spidey> heh
21:51 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: shrug
21:51 <Luke-Jr> I do
21:51 <spidey> still luke
21:51 <spidey> my ip changes
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i know that the one my ssh account is on starts with ts, but that's about it
21:51 <spidey> all 3 sets of the last digits when i change it
21:51 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my other comps are miyachan, kazumichan, and coraputer
21:52 <Luke-Jr> spidey: but not any random set is valid
21:52 <Luke-Jr> for your CMTS
21:52 <wrtlprnft> i guess you never had trouble learning my name then ;)
21:52 <spidey> mmm
21:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nope, except when I associated 'wrtl' with 'Walking Tree'
21:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:52 <spidey> still you'd have to ban alot of people just to get me :p
21:52 <Luke-Jr> w,r,t,l are all in Walking Tree's name =p
21:52 <wrtlprnft> that kinda got me wondering how exactly you got that idea
21:53 <wrtlprnft> p,n,f,t are not ;)
21:53 <wrtlprnft> + the 2nd r
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> t is too
21:53 <wrtlprnft> gah, true
21:53 <wrtlprnft> no, not true
21:53 <Luke-Jr> ttyl
21:53 <wrtlprnft> it's not in there twice
21:53 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:54 <wrtlprnft> (now that wtf helped me find out what ttyl actually means)
21:54 * wrtlprnft is a noob.
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf noob
21:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: noob: nothing appropriate
21:54 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't work for a lot, it seems
21:54 <Vanhayes> #wtf ttyl
21:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: TTYL: talk to you later
21:54 <Vanhayes> #wtf lol
21:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: LOL: laughing out loud
21:55 <Vanhayes> #wtf pwn
21:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: pwn: nothing appropriate
21:55 <Vanhayes> meh
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf Vanhayes is awesome
21:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf "Vanhayes is awesome"
21:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
21:55 <Vanhayes> lol
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
21:56 <wrtlprnft> 581 acronyms in total
21:56 <wrtlprnft> want me to paste? jk
21:56 <Vanhayes> argh, ok I can't find where SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE is saved, there is no user.cfg in armagetron folder
21:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is motas
21:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is motos
21:56 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is motss
21:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: MOTAS: member of the appropriate sex
21:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: MOTOS: member of the opposite sex
21:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: MOTSS: member of the same sex
21:57 <wrtlprnft> no more error?
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, wrtlprnft: where's user.cfg in windows?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it's user_3_0.cfg
21:57 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: just search for it?
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> isn't it c:\\documents and settings\YOURUSERNAME\armagetronad\var ?
21:57 <Vanhayes> there is no var
21:57 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: search for it, gotta be somewhere
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfb
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfc
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFB: read the fine/fucking book
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfd
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFC: read the fine/fucking code
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFD: read the fine/fucking documentation
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfm
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfmp
21:58 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rtfs
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFMP: read the fine/fucking man page
21:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RTFS: read the fine/fucking source
21:58 <wrtlprnft> O_o
21:59 <Vanhayes> I searched for the words SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE on all my computer and it only found it once in the Change log
21:59 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: is it saving your settings at all?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> like, if you change your nick and restart
21:59 <Vanhayes> yes it does
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> search for Vanhayes?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I assume you haven't named every file on your computer vanhayes?
22:00 <Vanhayes> not all them yet
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, search for user_0_3.cfg (or whatever wrtlprnft said it was called)
22:00 <Vanhayes> Am doing that now
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> ,nick _wrtlbot
22:00 <wrtlbot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's what i'm telling him all the time
22:00 <Vanhayes> ,fluffy
22:00 <wrtlbot> An unusual being often reffered to as fluffball.
22:01 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
22:01 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
22:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: line << *p;
22:01 <joda_bot> line.SetPos(17, false );
22:01 <joda_bot> if ( p->Object() && p->Object()->Alive() )
22:01 <joda_bot> {
22:01 <joda_bot> line << tOutput("$player_scoretable_alive_yes");
22:01 <joda_bot> }
22:01 <joda_bot> else
22:01 <Vanhayes> almost the same
22:01 <joda_bot> {
22:01 <joda_bot> line << tOutput("$player_scoretable_alive_no");
22:01 <joda_bot> }
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> ack, without warning even
22:01 <joda_bot> Guess the indices are off in the Player Scoretable
22:01 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that function isn't used for the scoretable
22:01 <wrtlprnft> it's RankingGraph()
22:01 <joda_bot> heh ;)
22:02 <joda_bot> thx ;)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> yw
22:02 <Vanhayes> hmm shouldnt there be a var folder in the config folder?At least thats what it used be I think
22:02 <wrtlprnft> that is because of the non-proportional font support
22:02 <Vanhayes> ya the search found nothing
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:03 * Vanhayes searches for vanhayes
22:03 * Lucifer_arma wants vanhayes to send him his computer
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> or something ike that
22:03 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ls ~/.armagetronad/var/user_3_0.cfg ~/supy
22:03 <wrtlprnft> /home/mathias/.armagetronad/var/user_3_0.cfg
22:03 <wrtlprnft> it should be named the same under windows
22:03 * wrtlprnft checks his WINE install
22:04 <Vanhayes> gah how can changing the SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE from .05 to .01, or .001 make such a mess
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, obviously we need to add "disable sound engine" to the crash recovery stuff :)
22:05 <wrtlprnft> /home/mathias/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/mathias/Anwendungsdaten/Armagetron/var/user_3_0.cfg
22:05 * Vanhayes will stop screwwing with things he knows nothing about from now on
22:05 <Vanhayes> there is no var folder in mine
22:05 <wrtlprnft> so it is named user_3_0.cfg under win
22:05 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: are you even getting the problem?
22:05 <Vanhayes> gah I searched for it and found nothing
22:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, delete all of it and reinstall?
22:06 <Vanhayes> only 6 files with the name Vanhayes
22:06 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, um already did that...
22:06 <wrtlprnft> your config must be hiding somewhere...
22:06 <Vanhayes> that is why I had to wait to get .3 again
22:06 <wrtlprnft> you sure you searched all the harddrive?
22:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: with the scoretable ?
22:07 <joda_bot> or the sound
22:07 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yes
22:07 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: scoretable
22:07 <joda_bot> the sound is buggy here too
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> what version of windows you use?
22:07 <Vanhayes> xp
22:07 <joda_bot> Is there a Recording or do I just have to get lucky ?
22:07 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: if nothing helps, install the dedicated server
22:07 <wrtlprnft> start it and reset SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE
22:07 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: there is none i know of
22:08 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't happen to me, ghableska says it always happens
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> recording of what?
22:08 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, it happens to me too
22:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: once you get your sound sorted out, can you make a recording?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe it'll show something, but i fear it won't
22:09 <Vanhayes> ya ill try it
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: did you every try fooling with number of channels to see if that changed naything for you?
22:10 <Vanhayes> it is just the ? that doesnt show up
22:10 <wrtlprnft> the inverse !?
22:10 <Vanhayes> ya
22:11 <Vanhayes> can u not see the difference in the SS?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ghableska had a screenshot with a mew that failed to show up
22:11 <Vanhayes> ack CABLE IS OUT
22:11 <wrtlprnft> mew for micro, or q that's open at the top
22:11 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i can see it, but it doesn't help if i can't replicate it
22:11 <Vanhayes> ok I was just wondering if u could or not
22:12 <wrtlprnft> if i was able to it would be fixed by now :P
22:12 * Vanhayes was watching the daily show :(
22:12 * Lizz throws donuts into the room and runs off
22:13 <wrtlprnft> yummy
22:13 * wrtlprnft graps all doughnuts
22:13 <[NP]Tangent> heh
22:13 <Vanhayes> lol
22:13 <wrtlprnft> *grabs
22:13 <[NP]Tangent> someone brought a big box of donuts into the carl's jr. break room today
22:13 <[NP]Tangent> which is damn good
22:13 <[NP]Tangent> because my parents refuse to feed me now
22:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:14 * Lizz slaps wrts fingers
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> so I'm glad I ate some damn donuts
22:14 <wrtlprnft> eww
22:14 * wrtlprnft hides behind armabot
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> carl's jr.'s alright
22:14 <wrtlprnft> look at her, it's a she!
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> oh
22:14 <Lizz> share wrt :P
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> hahaha
22:14 * wrtlprnft means armabot
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> HAHA
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think my .htaccess file is being processed properly
22:14 <Lizz> lube it luci
22:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: riiight, we had that before
22:14 <[NP]Tangent> I don't think wrtlprnft's brain is processing anything properly
22:15 * wrtlprnft properly processes [NP]Tangent and spits him onto the street
22:15 <[NP]Tangent> you little poopstick
22:15 <Lizz> kinky O.o
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict sound
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sound \Sound\, n. (Zool.) A cuttlefish. [Obs.] --Ainsworth. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Sound \Sound\, adv. Soundly. [1913 Webster] So sound he slept that naught might him awake. --Spenser. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Sound \Sound\, n. [AS. sund a swimming, akin to E. swim. See {Swim}.] The air bladder of a fish; as, cod sounds are an (42 more messages)
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict buffer
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: buffer \buff"er\ (b[u^]f"[~e]r), v. t. (Chem.) to add a buffer[5] to (a solution), so as to reduce unwanted fluctuation of acidity. [PJC]; wn: buffer n 1: an ionic compound that resists changes in its pH 2: an inclined metal frame at the front of a locomotive to clear the track [syn: {fender}, {cowcatcher}, {pilot}] 3: (14 more messages)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: now i remember what went wrong the first time you tried
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict size
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Size \Size\, n. [See {Sice}, and {Sise}.] Six. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Size \Size\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Sized}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Sizing}.] To cover with size; to prepare with size. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Size \Size\, v. i. 1. To take greater size; to increase in size. [1913 Webster] Our desires give them fashion, and so, As they wax (19 more messages)
22:16 <[NP]Tangent> #dict kinky
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but how do I fix it now? :)
22:16 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Kinky \Kink"y\, a. 1. Full of kinks; liable to kink or curl; as, kinky hair. [1913 Webster] 2. Queer; eccentric; unconventional; crotchety. [Colloq. U.S.] [1913 Webster]; wn: kinky adj 1: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes; "kinky sex"; "perverted practices" [syn: {perverted}] 2: in small (4 more messages)
22:16 <[NP]Tangent> #more
22:16 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: tight curls [syn: {crisp}, {frizzly}, {frizzy}, {nappy}] 3: informal terms; strikingly unconventional [syn: {far-out}, {offbeat}, {quirky}, {way-out}] [also: {kinkiest}, {kinkier}]; moby-thes: 98 Moby Thesaurus words for "kinky": Bohemian, abnormal, anomalous, arbitrary, beat, bizarre, breakaway, capricious, crank, crankish, cranky, crimped, crisp, crisped, crispy, crotchety, curled, (3 more messages)
22:16 <Lizz> heh
22:16 <[NP]Tangent> #more
22:16 <Vanhayes> ok second search for user_3_0.cfg found nothing
22:16 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: curly, degenerate, depraved, deviant, deviative, different, divergent, dotty, eccentric, erratic, exceptional, fanciful, fantasied, fantastic, far out, fey, flaky, freakish, free and easy, fringy, frizzed, frizzly, frizzy, funny, harebrained, heretical, heterodox, hippie, humorsome, idiocratic, idiosyncratic, informal, irregular, kinked, knotted, kooky, maggoty, maverick, moody, (2 more messages)
22:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org/msg01703.html
22:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe that applies to you?
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #_#
22:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: signal(i, SIG_DFL); /* crunch, crunch, crunch */ || -- Larry Wall in doarg.c from the perl source code
22:18 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, what were u saying about a dedicated server?
22:18 <[NP]Tangent> he was saying it was attacking him
22:18 <[NP]Tangent> and it tried to bash his eyes in
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, now it's broke worse, I think :)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> at least it's doing something different, though
22:19 <Vanhayes> wo my TV just turned itself off...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i have another theory...
22:20 <wrtlprnft> you did try the first alpha, right?
22:20 <Vanhayes> yes
22:21 <wrtlprnft> the default value for SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE changed between alphas
22:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe the new value crashes for you
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> now I get 403 forbidden :(
22:21 <wrtlprnft> (if you installed and ran the first alpha, the default setting change in the new alpha won't have any effect on you)
22:21 <wrtlprnft> unless you change the setting or delete your user.cfg
22:22 <Vanhayes> I never had a user.cfg
22:22 <Vanhayes> not in .3 anyway
22:22 <wrtlprnft> maybe it got deleted anyways?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: weird
22:23 <wrtlprnft> do you get anything in your error log?
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now it's showing again, hmmmmm
22:24 <wrtlprnft> /var/log/apache2/error_log
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I think my problem is in the vhost configuration
22:24 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: I can reproduce the bug, but I can't enter the characters either
22:24 * wrtlprnft is happy he somehow got that running
22:24 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no german keyboard?
22:24 <Vanhayes> hmm did the first .3 released for windows get moved from the beta page?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> mew should be right alt + m, even on windows
22:24 <Vanhayes> or was it even on it?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> it's still there
22:25 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://aabeta.dashjr.org/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&os=&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, error log's not telling me anything I didn't already know
22:26 <Vanhayes> thx wrtlprnft
22:26 <wrtlprnft> yw
22:26 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I can't enter a ! on it's head
22:26 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it's the [ ] Hide old
22:26 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: but mew seems to make trouble, too
22:27 <wrtlprnft> i know ! on its head is right alt+shift+!
22:27 <wrtlprnft> but that probably only works hhere
22:27 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5061
22:28 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that's enough, good night. History test tomorrow
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> how do I turn on my computer?
22:29 <Lizz> good luck with ur test wrt
22:29 <wrtlprnft> ty
22:29 <Lizz> yvw
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> is it another test you need some negative score to pass?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, yes, but this one will be harder
22:30 * wrtlprnft notes that he doesn't just want to pass, he'd prefer a mark >=.9 ;)
22:30 <wrtlprnft> btw, Lucifer_arma armabot seems to have updated by itself
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #version
22:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> sec, I'll pack up my CIA plugin
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I restarted her earlier
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know she'd been updated already
22:31 <Vanhayes> grrr that didnt work either, it still is screwed up
22:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/cia.tar.bz2
22:32 <Vanhayes> probly gonna have to go back to .2.8.2
22:32 <wrtlprnft> 1) unpack it somewhere permanent
22:32 <wrtlprnft> 2) add the directory above CIA tp supybot.directories.plugins
22:32 <wrtlprnft> 3) #join #commits
22:33 <wrtlprnft> 4) #load CIA
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i hope that'll work
22:33 <wrtlprnft> say bye to wrtlbot :(
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ,quit
22:33 -!- wrtlbot [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
22:37 <wrtlprnft> night now, this time really
22:37 <Vanhayes> night wrtlprnft
22:40 <Vanhayes> HA found a way to start up my client, moved the music and sound folders again lol
22:41 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, was the original SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE 0.05?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I think so
22:42 <Vanhayes> ok Ill try it
22:42 <Vanhayes> er it still crashes even with SOUND_BUFFER_SIZE .05
22:43 <spidey> erm
22:43 <spidey> i think i'ma stop playing fortress
22:43 <Vanhayes> why?
22:43 <spidey> spidey's gonna stop playing
22:43 * Lizz tells arac "HF"
22:44 <spidey> but that doesn't mean a noob won't stroll along into the world of fortress ;)
22:44 <Lizz> with a name like "gates"
22:44 <Vanhayes> lol
22:44 <Lizz> lmao
22:44 <spidey> no
22:44 <spidey> i would use BlAzE
22:44 <Lizz> :P ima jk u noob
22:44 <spidey> but they know he's not a noob
22:44 <spidey> they just don't know who he is ;)
22:45 <Lizz> heh
22:45 <Lizz> style will give u away
22:45 <Vanhayes> good thing spidey has none
22:45 <Lizz> lol watch em all run to u to join a clan lmao
22:45 <spidey> i can change anything :p
22:45 <spidey> psh
22:45 <Lizz> LOL van very ture
22:45 <Lizz> true* erm
22:45 <Vanhayes> heh
22:45 <spidey> mmm
22:46 <spidey> maybe i'll join SP
22:46 <Lizz> pfft
22:46 <spidey> haha
22:46 <Lizz> *posts what spider said in clan forum*
22:46 <joda_bot> how do I tell gdb to clear all breakpoints ?
22:46 <spidey> O_o
22:46 <Lizz> meh
22:50 <joda_bot> gdb: d ;)
22:53 * Vanhayes goes to play fortress
22:55 * Vanhayes finds that fortress isnt there..
22:55 <spidey> pwn
22:55 <Vanhayes> spidey are u in bugfarm right now?
22:55 <spidey> no
22:55 <Vanhayes> is it even on your master list?
22:55 <spidey> dunno
22:56 <Vanhayes> er nvrm my bookmark must be wrong or something
22:56 <Lizz> its on mine
22:56 <Lizz> has one person in it
22:56 <Vanhayes> Ya I was just in, but my bookmark isnt working
22:56 <Vanhayes> who?
22:57 <Lizz> where? lol ya who
22:57 <Vanhayes> I am who?
22:57 <Vanhayes> heh
22:57 <Lizz> ur van :P
22:57 <Vanhayes> lol I was the player named Who?
22:57 <Vanhayes> er
22:57 <Lizz> LOL i kno.. im just tossin ya :P
22:57 <Vanhayes> this is getting confusing
22:57 <Vanhayes> lol
22:58 <Lizz> lmao
22:58 <spidey> #quote get 17
22:58 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
22:58 <spidey> #vanhayes
22:58 <armabot> Lucifer thinks Vanhayes is cool
22:58 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
22:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
22:58 <spidey> O_o
22:58 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
22:58 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
22:58 <Lizz> O.o
22:58 <spidey> #lucifer
22:58 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
22:59 * Vanhayes goes to sumo instead of fortress
22:59 * Lizz uninstalls arma all together
22:59 <spidey> i'm coming,i wanna work on my second cockpit
22:59 <Lizz> hf ;-)
22:59 <Vanhayes> wo who changed #vanhayes?
22:59 <spidey> #help vanhayes
22:59 <armabot> spidey: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Lucifer thinks Vanhayes is cool".
22:59 <spidey> mmm
22:59 <spidey> does't say
23:00 <Lizz> dont look at me i dunno ever how it works lol
23:00 <Vanhayes> er i mean who changed Vanhayes for the 4th time
23:00 <spidey> LOL
23:00 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
23:00 <Lizz> uve been him b4
23:00 <Lizz> ppl kno its u
23:00 <Vanhayes> #seen McSpiddles
23:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: McSpiddles was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 15 hours, 41 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <McSpiddles> :o
23:01 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
23:01 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:01 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
23:01 <McSpiddles> !
23:01 * Lucifer_arma whistles innocently and goes to smoke a cigarette
23:02 <Lizz> spider ur strange.. but i do luv u :P
23:02 <McSpiddles> #vanhaues
23:02 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:02 <Vanhayes> #list alias
23:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, eliza, (2 more messages)
23:02 <Vanhayes> #more
23:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, (1 more message)
23:02 <McSpiddles> #list alias
23:02 <armabot> McSpiddles: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, (2 more messages)
23:02 <McSpiddles> #more
23:02 <armabot> McSpiddles: eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, (1 more message)
23:02 <McSpiddles> #more
23:02 <armabot> McSpiddles: specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
23:02 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
23:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma thinks vanhayes is lame and gay
23:02 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:03 <Vanhayes> heh I wonder who did that
23:03 * Vanhayes stares at Lucifer_arma
23:05 <McSpiddles> #echo randomInt
23:05 <armabot> randomInt
23:05 <McSpiddles> #echo $andomInt
23:05 <armabot> $andomInt
23:05 <Vanhayes> lol pwnt
23:06 <McSpiddles> #echo $randomInt
23:06 <armabot> -856
23:06 <McSpiddles> #echo $randomInt $randomInt
23:06 <armabot> 214 339
23:07 <McSpiddles> #echo $who
23:07 <armabot> McSpiddles
23:07 <McSpiddles> #echo $me
23:07 <armabot> $me
23:07 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:07 <Lizz> mc spiddles sounds like a kids mc donalds toy O.o
23:07 <McSpiddles> :/
23:07 * Lizz squeezes mcspiddles
23:07 <McSpiddles> #barf Lizz
23:07 <armabot> /me throws up all over Lizz
23:07 * Lizz changes her clothes
23:08 <Vanhayes> #anvil spidey
23:08 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on spidey.
23:08 <Vanhayes> er
23:08 <Lizz> heh
23:08 <Vanhayes> #anvil McSpiddles
23:08 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on McSpiddles.
23:08 <McSpiddles> #insult Vanhayes
23:08 <armabot> Vanhayes - You are nothing but a tepid half-mouthful of culturally-unsound Stimpy-drool.
23:08 <McSpiddles> hahhaha
23:08 <Vanhayes> that thing is harsh
23:08 <Lizz> rofl
23:08 * Lizz wipes up drool
23:11 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
23:11 <armabot> McSpiddles thinks vanhayes is gay,because vanhaye You are nothing but a tempestuous bucket of motley-mind bait.
23:11 <Vanhayes> now I wonder who did that
23:11 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:12 <McSpiddles> #vanhayes
23:12 <armabot> McSpiddles thinks vanhayes is gay,because vanhayes You are nothing but a wayward half-mouthful of pignutted snake.
23:12 <McSpiddles> HAHA
23:12 <McSpiddles> i love that thing
23:12 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:13 <McSpiddles> #google McSpiddles
23:13 <armabot> McSpiddles: Search took 0.38 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://tigersnetwork.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
23:14 <Vanhayes> hmm 17 not bad I am rising pretty fasy
23:15 <McSpiddles> i'm 6 O_o
23:15 <Vanhayes> no u are 25 spidey is 6
23:16 <McSpiddles> :|
23:16 <McSpiddles> i'm hungry
23:16 <McSpiddles> and i burnt my last pizz
23:16 <McSpiddles> pizza
23:16 <McSpiddles> :(
23:17 <McSpiddles> it had this black crusty shit on it when i took it out the over O_o
23:18 <Vanhayes> is it one of those leave in for 20 min pizza's?
23:18 <McSpiddles> 10 minutes that i left in for 20 minutes
23:18 <McSpiddles> if that counts
23:18 <Vanhayes> lol
23:18 <Lizz> LOL
23:19 <Lizz> wish i could hide better in tron >.<
23:19 <McSpiddles> LOL
23:20 <Lizz> oh hush :P
23:20 * Vanhayes reminds himself to change team name from "The Vananators" to somethinf less conspicuas if he wants to hid
23:20 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: sound_buffer_size 5 worked quite well
23:20 <joda_bot> Testing 6 now
23:21 <Lizz> change it to the who van :P
23:21 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Also the music track does not play right away, only after selecting the next track :|
23:22 <McSpiddles> the vananators my ass
23:24 <Lizz> bbiab.. gonna make lasagna
23:24 <Vanhayes> damn u making me hungry
23:24 <Lizz> ill share with ya ;)
23:25 <Vanhayes> ya send some to canada
23:25 <Lizz> kk will do :D
23:27 <joda_bot> #message Lucifer* sound_buffer_size 6 is ok for windows, but I guess the sound is delayed
23:27 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
23:28 <Vanhayes> WOW the music actually sounds like music now
23:32 <Vanhayes> SWEET i got myplaylist to work
23:32 <Vanhayes> must have been the buffer that was the prob
23:32 <joda_bot> yes
23:37 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: Can you test if 4 works too ?
23:37 <Vanhayes> sure
23:38 <joda_bot> Because 4.0 is the default for Not-Windows ;)
23:39 <Vanhayes> 4 works fine
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6*512
23:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 6 * 512 = 3,072
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g 3072/44100
23:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 3,072 / 44,100 = 0.0696598639
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's only about 70ms of latency added, joda
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> but that + sound driver + kernel latency could easily be enough to make it sound delayed
23:40 <joda_bot> yeah it wasn't that bad, but I thought I noticed it
23:41 <joda_bot> perhaps it's the way new sound effects are added / replace the last sound
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, they're not supposed to replace the last sound. If they do, that's a bug :)
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> only when all mixer channels are full are they supposed to grab the oldest channel and replace that one, but the code there is pretty wonkety and could easily be wrong
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> does sound_buffer_size 4.0 work for both you and vanhayes?
23:42 <Vanhayes> works great here
23:46 <joda_bot> I'll test that next start
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> I just made 4.0 the default for everybody
23:47 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: should I actually hear different sound on each box with 4 channels ?
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> you should hear a fake surround-sound effect
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> so if someone blows up behind you, it should sound like it's coming from behind you (assuming you placed your rear speakers behind you physically)
23:51 <joda_bot> so it's just turn on front and explosion surround ?
23:51 <joda_bot> "turns"
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> turn sounds, well, any sound that is associated with a position on the grid is supposed to be covered
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> so explosions, turning, zone spawn, sparks
23:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Can you try to host a lan game and then exit the game ?
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> have you tried to build sdl_mixer with mp3 support?
23:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: The game hangs for me then
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that's weird
23:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Yes seems to compile just fine now
23:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Just z-man memory checks mess it up
23:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: buffer 4 works perfectly
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> exits fine from hosting a game
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> tried both from the lan menu and the internet game menu and both worked fine
Log from 2006-06-22:
--- Day changed Thu Jun 22 2006
00:00 * Lucifer_arma has a feeling Vanhayes is lost ingame with music and stuff
00:00 <Vanhayes> heh ya I like the sounds now that they arent nails schreeching on a chalk board
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I forgot to join a team until the round started :(
00:04 <Vanhayes> ? bugfarm?
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:06 <Vanhayes> how many ppl there?
00:10 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: rear speaker just gave a very silent version of the front speakers
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> 4 now
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> make it 6, 3 per team
00:16 <McSpiddles> O_o
00:16 <McSpiddles> mmmm
00:16 <McSpiddles> this cockpit thing is fun xD
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00:28 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma = pandemoniem?
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> goddammit, I'm 1 v 2 and Vanhayes has to kick on my OSD
00:31 <McSpiddles> english ?
00:31 <McSpiddles> ohhh
00:31 <McSpiddles> nvm
00:31 <McSpiddles> hahaha
00:31 <McSpiddles> you killed his fps
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: look at this sweet distraction!
00:32 <Vanhayes> lol
00:32 <Vanhayes> ya 1 vs 2 and someone kicks on your OSD sucks
00:32 <Vanhayes> I am guessing OSD means Flashing
00:35 <McSpiddles> look at that
00:35 <McSpiddles> 165 ping
00:35 <McSpiddles> it pwns now
00:35 <McSpiddles> xD
00:36 <Vanhayes> Xidus?
00:36 <McSpiddles> bah
00:36 <McSpiddles> i shouldn't have said anything
00:36 <McSpiddles> it won't let me join a fuckin team :(
00:36 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes, join gold
00:36 <McSpiddles> i want on blue cuase they suck
00:39 <Vanhayes> McSpiddles
00:39 <Vanhayes> heh
00:39 <McSpiddles> and no
00:39 <McSpiddles> ticky dicky was lucifer
00:39 <Vanhayes> McSpiddles
00:40 <McSpiddles> ;p
00:40 <Vanhayes> I know
00:40 <McSpiddles> it doesn't flash for me
00:40 <Vanhayes> bah
00:42 <joda_bot> Lucifer could we support more than 4 Channels ?
00:42 <McSpiddles> who the fuck's the ant
00:42 <McSpiddles> O_o
00:42 <Vanhayes> #spidey
00:42 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but an ill-borne mound of sausage-snorfling rat-farts.
00:43 <joda_bot> ok, rephrasing, does SDL_mixer support "Channels" and "Speaker" setups
00:43 <joda_bot> Channel = sequentiel sounds which are mixed together for each speaker
00:43 <joda_bot> ?
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00:57 <McSpiddles> this's weird
00:57 <McSpiddles> ah
00:57 <McSpiddles> nvm
00:59 <McSpiddles> give me 2 colors that goto gethor
00:59 <McSpiddles> 3 possible
00:59 <McSpiddles> O_o
01:01 <Vanhayes> green orange black
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01:06 <McSpiddles> ummm
01:06 <McSpiddles> why.....is my rubber gauge working
01:07 <McSpiddles> then i switch screens and switch back
01:07 <McSpiddles> and it sticks on full
01:07 <Vanhayes> um u are in spec right?
01:07 <McSpiddles> yea
01:07 <Vanhayes> might be the player is using lots of rubber?
01:07 <McSpiddles> lol nvm it works now
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01:27 <Vanhayes> #night
01:27 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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01:35 <McSpiddles> woot
01:36 <McSpiddles> y="-.77"
01:37 <McSpiddles> need that for reference O_o
01:38 <McSpiddles> ummm
01:38 <McSpiddles> <AtomicData field="source" source="player_brake" />
01:38 <McSpiddles> did i do that wrong?
01:38 <McSpiddles> cause it shows "player_brake" instead of the value
01:41 <McSpiddles> :( it works with player_rubber though
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01:56 <guru3> good morning
01:56 <guru3> Luke-Jr: aabeta.dashjr.org?
01:57 <McSpiddles> O_o
01:57 <McSpiddles> lucifer? i need help with a cockpit thingy
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01:58 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME | ANY PROBLEMS WITH BETA.ARMAGETRONAD.NET? BLAME LUKE ASAP!
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01:58 <McSpiddles> lol
01:59 <McSpiddles> guru,you know anything about the cockpit file?
01:59 <guru3> nope
01:59 <McSpiddles> :(
01:59 <guru3> but i am gonna play some tron for a wee bit
01:59 <McSpiddles> hehe
02:00 <guru3> excellent
02:01 <guru3> there are spaces on swampland :D
02:01 <guru3> gah
02:01 <guru3> everyone is driving really slow
02:03 <McSpiddles> ;p;
02:03 <McSpiddles> lol
02:03 <McSpiddles> i figured out my problem
02:03 <McSpiddles> seems while i was doing the brake and rubber i accidently crossed them :/
02:04 <guru3> gah beating them one handed
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> #message joda_bot after 0.3.0 is out, I've got a fair amount of work planned. SDL_mixer has serious limitations that I don't like, and we'll support it only to a degree.
02:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:05 <McSpiddles> maybe not
02:05 <McSpiddles> lucifer?
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> #message joda_bot I intend to support sdl and openAL both, and openAL will let us have any number of channels, it'll do the magic for us
02:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> what spidey?
02:06 <guru3> well maybe i lie
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> #message joda_bot the rest that we'll support are a combination of keeping required dependencies low and useful as tools along the way to a complete openAL-based sound system
02:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:07 <McSpiddles> wow
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> McSpiddles: what do you want?
02:07 * Lucifer_arma is about to go to bed
02:07 <McSpiddles> well
02:07 <McSpiddles> <BarGauge camera="all">
02:07 <McSpiddles> <DataSet>
02:07 <McSpiddles> <AtomicData field="source" source="player_brake" />
02:07 <McSpiddles> </DataSet>
02:07 <McSpiddles> <Position x="-.71" y="-.75" />
02:07 <McSpiddles> <Size height="0.05" width="0.15" />
02:07 <McSpiddles> <ShowCurrent value="true" />
02:07 <McSpiddles> </BarGauge
02:08 <McSpiddles> that displays "player_brake" instead of the vale
02:08 <McSpiddles> value*
02:08 <McSpiddles> and i dunno what i did wrong :/
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> you need two more atomicdatas, for one thing, that give min and max for the gauge
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> and you need a Caption to give the caption for the gauge
02:08 <McSpiddles> no...
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki has a complete example
02:09 <McSpiddles> it works with the rubber
02:09 <McSpiddles> here's my rubber gauge
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nvm then, you're the expert.
02:09 <McSpiddles> :/
02:09 <McSpiddles> then why does the rubber work like that but not the brake?
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> work like what?
02:09 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: your server is fun :)
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> ? my server? isn't it broken?
02:10 <McSpiddles> like a digital clock
02:10 <McSpiddles> numbers only
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> wait, it's not even running right now! You're playing someone else's server and thinking it's mine :)
02:10 <McSpiddles> LOL
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> use a Label for that
02:11 <guru3> well maybe not urs
02:11 <guru3> but i always think of it as yours
02:11 <McSpiddles> shrunkland?
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> Swampland?
02:12 <guru3> swampland
02:12 <guru3> all you texans blend together
02:12 * Lucifer_arma points out that Swampy's a yank, lives in New Jersey
02:12 <guru3> picky old man aren't you
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, swampy got to where he could run his server unassisted, and I just kind of drifted away a bit
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> now I play on z-man's server most of the time. So much that when I do go to swmapland, people are like "Hey, you finally came back to the game!"
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm like "No, I've just been playing this other server-you-guys-have-to-try-it!"
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> but no, people there are too individualistic, most of them don't like teams.
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the ones that do tend to be some of the best fortress players. :) (hank, Your_mom, nemo, a few others)
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02:15 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my next server will still be called Swamplords <somethingorother>
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I might just call it Swamplords Teams
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, I've figured out what was wrong with my webserver and am wlel on the way to getting it fixed, so we'll hopefully be able to move the wiki back in the next couple of weeks
02:17 <guru3> good
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> then sometime after that we can screw with MySQL replication and stuff
02:18 <guru3> ok
02:21 <McSpiddles> doh
02:22 <McSpiddles> i kinda feel stupid now
02:22 <McSpiddles> it's player_brakes not player_brake
02:22 <McSpiddles> :/
02:22 <guru3> ain't arguing there
02:22 <McSpiddles> :(
02:23 <McSpiddles> now i gotta fix the actual gauge,it stopped working
02:29 <guru3> and time to work now
02:37 <McSpiddles> you're not gIrIa ?
02:42 <guru3> ?
02:45 <McSpiddles> nvm lol
02:46 <McSpiddles> i thought someone in fortress was you O_o
02:48 <guru3> ... >:(
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02:49 <@guru3> :P
02:49 <@guru3> being abusive is fun sometimes
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02:57 <McSpiddles> meanie :(
02:57 <guru3> picky
02:57 <McSpiddles> ?
02:58 <McSpiddles> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2589/untitled3od1.jpg
02:58 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:58 <McSpiddles> i dunno where to put the rest of the stuff :/
02:58 <guru3> nasty windows
02:58 <McSpiddles> lol
03:00 <guru3> is collaboratory spelt correctly?
03:01 <McSpiddles> ya
03:01 <guru3> oo.org spell check doesn't like it
03:01 <McSpiddles> lol
03:01 <McSpiddles> i googled it
03:02 <guru3> afk
03:06 <guru3> back
03:06 <guru3> it's not an official word it seems
03:06 <guru3> so i've added it to the spell check dictionary
03:19 <McSpiddles> lol
03:41 <McSpiddles> O_o
03:44 <McSpiddles> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2509/untitled7js.jpg
03:44 <McSpiddles> i'm done for tonight!
03:44 <guru3> woo
03:45 <McSpiddles> speed clock needs to be higher?
03:46 <McSpiddles> wrtl said you can't have a small width and the clock be in the center of the gauge
03:47 <McSpiddles> so i made another bargauge without t he meter for it
03:47 <McSpiddles> and centered it
03:47 <McSpiddles> i'll never do that again :|
03:53 <guru3> g2g
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06:41 <Luke-Jr> .
06:42 <Luke-Jr> guru3: that works, thanks
06:42 <Luke-Jr> though of course... this first issue wasn't my fault =p
06:57 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
06:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'cia' is not a valid plugin.
06:57 <wrtlprnft> :(
06:57 <wrtlprnft> #list
06:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
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07:03 <wrtlprnft> hi there
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07:05 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: BTW, be careful with MySql 3.1 or whatever-- it likes to corrupt things
07:05 <Luke-Jr> like it did w/ Mantis
07:05 <Luke-Jr> :/
07:06 <Luke-Jr> moral of the story: backup often, especially before upgrades
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07:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do i checkout the svn of aa?
07:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (with cli client)
07:20 <joda_bot> cli ?
07:20 <joda_bot> a with svn client ;)
07:21 <joda_bot> wait
07:21 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Which branch do you want ?
07:21 <joda_bot> head ?
07:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ??
07:21 <joda_bot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad [folder]
07:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks :D
07:25 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: z-man * r4966 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: When a cycle is pushed back by a passive wall collsion, its current wall gets updated along with its position.
07:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> passive wall collision?
07:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what the hell is that?
07:29 <Luke-Jr> ugh
07:30 <Luke-Jr> this guy was crashing into us (teammates-- like 2 seconds after the wall was there) and blaming us-- then got mad and tried kicking/tking us
07:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
07:30 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: IIRC, where the cycle has already moved past the wall it crashes into
07:31 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: HEAD isn't a branch. trunk is. and you gave him 0.3.0, not trunk =p
07:31 <Luke-Jr> HEAD just means the latest revision of any branch
07:32 <spidey> wow
07:32 <spidey> anyone want a server O_o
07:33 <Luke-Jr> hm?
07:33 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: I know, because it's probably what he wants ;)
07:33 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: actually, trunk is more likely IMO
07:33 <Luke-Jr> 0.3.0 branch has releases
07:34 <wrtlprnft> i guess that's the bug with the wall going in one direction and the cycle in another
07:52 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: Most fixes are now commited to branch_0.3
07:53 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: like I said, 0.3.0 has releases-- trunk does not, and I think has changes from 0.3.0
07:54 <wrtlprnft> it has most of the changes merged, yes
07:55 <wrtlprnft> all upto r4958/tuesday
08:00 <joda_bot> #message z-man* Can you close "Pyramid to point out player cycle" ? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=110997&atid=657950
08:00 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
08:01 <wrtlprnft> ,g (50-88*.7)/.3
08:01 <wrtlprnft> #g (50-88*.7)/.3
08:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (50 - (88 * .7)) / .3 = -38.6666667
08:02 <wrtlprnft> ok, i need more than -39% on my history exam i'm gonna write in an hour to pass the course
08:02 <wrtlprnft> wish me luck, cya
08:02 <joda_bot> good luck wrtl
08:23 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: hey
08:23 <Luke-Jr> you know that revision # sed magic stuff?
08:23 <Luke-Jr> you could replace it w/ 'svnversion -n' ;)
08:35 <spidey> mmm
08:35 <spidey> i might have a server in china
08:35 <spidey> O_o
08:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:48 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
08:48 <Luke-Jr> wrtlbot: idiot
08:48 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "idiot" is not a valid command.
08:48 <spidey> Eustace:~ lull$ uptime
08:48 <spidey> 6:48 up 21 days, 6:48, 3 users, load averages: 1.05 1.07 1.05
08:48 <spidey> O_o
08:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:48 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
08:48 <spidey> that's a mac
08:48 <spidey> g5
08:48 <Luke-Jr> .[...][...][...][...]
08:48 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "..." is not a valid command.
08:48 <spidey> dual 2.7ghz processors
08:48 <spidey> and 8gb ram
08:49 <Luke-Jr> nice
08:49 <spidey> it's not mine.......
08:49 <Luke-Jr> why not?
08:49 <spidey> infact,they don't know i'm on it :/
08:49 <Luke-Jr> <.<
08:49 <spidey> vnc has a major exploit
08:49 <Luke-Jr> does it?
08:49 <spidey> yea
08:49 <spidey> i have 33+ computers
08:49 <Luke-Jr> ......
08:49 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "....." is not a valid command.
08:49 <Luke-Jr> which VNC?
08:49 <spidey> mmm
08:50 <spidey> 4.1.1 i think
08:50 <spidey> sec
08:50 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:50 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
08:50 <Luke-Jr> TightVNC?
08:50 <spidey> realvnc
08:50 <Luke-Jr> pfft
08:50 <spidey> yea
08:50 <spidey> real vnc 4.1.1
08:50 <Luke-Jr> is this a well-known exploit?
08:51 <spidey> dunno
08:51 <Luke-Jr> well.... you could report it
08:51 <Luke-Jr> or abuse it
08:52 <spidey> they've fixed it
08:52 <Luke-Jr> o
08:52 <spidey> this is the last release
08:52 <Luke-Jr> so someone just didn't update
08:52 <spidey> someone?
08:52 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:52 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
08:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlbot: stfu
08:52 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: "stfu" is not a valid command.
08:52 <spidey> try 33+ just in the 24.12.xxx.xxx range
08:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:52 <Luke-Jr> 24. isn't china :x
08:53 <spidey> well this one box i connected to
08:53 <spidey> everything was in chinese
08:53 <Luke-Jr> so a chinese user
08:53 <spidey> or japanese
08:53 <Luke-Jr> what IP?
08:53 <spidey> i can't tell them apart
08:53 <spidey> sec
08:53 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:53 <Luke-Jr> I could tell ya
08:53 <Luke-Jr> post a screenie
08:53 <spidey> argh
08:53 <Luke-Jr> ?
08:54 <spidey> gimme a minute,gotta go through this list again and look for it
08:54 <Luke-Jr> hehe, it'd be fun to remote em all and open text editors, and leave em notes
08:54 <Luke-Jr> "upgrade VNC you foo"
08:54 <spidey> hahah
08:54 <Luke-Jr> one time I hacked into a botnet and warned the victims
08:54 <spidey> O_o
08:55 <spidey> 24.7.104.173
08:55 <spidey> that's the ip
08:55 <Luke-Jr> c-24-7-104-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.
08:55 <Luke-Jr> California
08:56 <spidey> me
08:56 <spidey> meh
08:57 <Luke-Jr> ROFL, is it?
08:57 <spidey> huh?
08:57 <Luke-Jr> it's you?
08:57 <spidey> no..
08:57 <spidey> i'm in tennessee
08:57 <Luke-Jr> but...
08:57 <spidey> check my host name
08:57 <Luke-Jr> what'd you mean by 'me'?
08:58 <spidey> i ment to say meh
08:58 <Luke-Jr> o
08:58 <Luke-Jr> meant* =p
08:58 <spidey> lol
08:58 * Luke-Jr turns into a grammer and spelling nazi.
08:58 <Luke-Jr> Eat your letters, spidey!
08:59 <Luke-Jr> =p
08:59 <Luke-Jr> It's a bit weird to properly capitalize and such on IRC.
09:00 <spidey> oops
09:00 <spidey> cat mach_kernel was a bad idea
09:00 <Luke-Jr> rofl
09:00 <spidey> O_o
09:01 <Luke-Jr> cat /proc/kcore
09:01 <spidey> i gotta wait for it to stop scrolling
09:02 <Luke-Jr> not sure if OS X even has /proc
09:02 <Luke-Jr> it's a bad idea, BTW
09:02 <spidey> Eustace:/ lull$ cat /proc/kcore
09:02 <spidey> cat: /proc/kcore: No such file or directory
09:02 <Luke-Jr> especially if the system has 8 GB of RAM
09:04 <spidey> Eustace:/ lull$ ls
09:04 <spidey> Applications Library Volumes dev mach_kernel tmp
09:04 <spidey> Desktop DB Network automount etc private usr
09:04 <spidey> Desktop DF System bin mach sbin var
09:04 <spidey> Developer Users cores mach.sym sw
09:04 <spidey> that's in /
09:04 <spidey> ahh
09:05 <spidey> i found out the system info thing
09:05 <spidey> Hardware Overview:
09:05 <spidey> Machine Name: Power Mac G5
09:05 <spidey> Machine Model: PowerMac7,3
09:05 <spidey> CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.1)
09:05 <spidey> Number Of CPUs: 2
09:05 <spidey> CPU Speed: 2.7 GHz
09:05 <spidey> L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
09:05 <spidey> Memory: 8 GB
09:05 <spidey> Bus Speed: 1.35 GHz
09:05 <spidey> Boot ROM Version: 5.2.4f1
09:05 <spidey> Serial Number: G8520CL5RU0
09:05 <Luke-Jr> can you like make it grow legs and escape?
09:05 <Luke-Jr> =p
09:05 <spidey> ahahah
09:05 <spidey> *knows nothing about mac*
09:06 <Luke-Jr> hrm, maybe nemo can help =p
09:06 <spidey> ok back to the mac in a bit
09:06 <spidey> i got 7 more servers to try
09:06 <Luke-Jr> lol
09:08 <spidey> ahahahah
09:08 <spidey> unbelievable
09:08 <Luke-Jr> ?
09:08 <spidey> 1 fucking terabyte
09:08 <Luke-Jr> omg
09:08 <Luke-Jr> the dumbest people have the best computers...
09:08 <spidey> :(
09:08 <spidey> fileserver!
09:10 <spidey> ok
09:11 <spidey> 2 computers on a 6mbit connection
09:11 <spidey> 2 on a 8mbit
09:11 <spidey> and 1 on a 5mbit
09:11 <spidey> those are just the ones i speed tested
09:11 <Luke-Jr> nothing big there
09:11 <spidey> nope
09:11 <Luke-Jr> OC3 would be nice to find
09:11 <Luke-Jr> or OC128
09:11 <spidey> i was hoping to see a t1 or higher
09:12 <Luke-Jr> pfft, T1
09:12 <Luke-Jr> T1 isn't even 8 MBit
09:12 <spidey> i know
09:12 <spidey> it's 1.5mbit both ways
09:12 <spidey> and stable
09:12 <Luke-Jr> you saw higher =p
09:12 <spidey> no
09:12 <Luke-Jr> T1 is pathetic these days
09:12 <spidey> the upload is slower
09:12 <Luke-Jr> uncap em ;)
09:13 <spidey> heh
09:13 <spidey> i'ma start lagging again
09:13 <spidey> picking up where i left off on these scans
09:13 <spidey> 1k threads :/
09:13 <Luke-Jr> ...
09:13 <wrtlbot> Luke-Jr: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
09:13 <Luke-Jr> omg
09:13 <Luke-Jr> stfu you dumb bot!
09:13 <spidey> hahah
09:14 * Luke-Jr doesn't like it anymore
09:15 <spidey> 39 hours
09:15 <Luke-Jr> ?
09:15 <Luke-Jr> 14:14:40 up 1 day, 4:06, 93 users, load average: 0.86, 0.86, 0.93
09:15 <spidey> then i'll have scanned the entire 24 range
09:15 <Luke-Jr> 09:15:56 up 3 days, 15:15, 2 users, load average: 1.02, 0.93, 0.56
09:15 <Luke-Jr> 14:41:52 up 5 days, 3:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
09:15 <Luke-Jr> 09:16:15 up 11 days, 17:40, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
09:17 <spidey> i've come to a conclusion
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> #join #commits
09:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:17 <spidey> 80% of the people in the 24 range are retarded
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> #join #commits
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
09:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "CIA" exists.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "CIA" exists.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list Admin
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list Owner
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #upkeep
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 358 objects collected.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
09:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "CIA" exists.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> #quit
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09:20 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
09:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "CIA" exists.
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list config
09:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Config list supybot.directories.plugins
09:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There don't seem to be any values in supybot.directories.plugins.
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> #config
09:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.directories.plugins
09:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.directories.plugins /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins, /home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins
09:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
09:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #quit
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09:27 <cusco> hi
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09:36 <spidey> this one guy has a virus
09:36 <spidey> O_o
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> why did x start with xdm insted of kdm when it rebooted?
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> and how do I change that? :(
09:52 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
09:52 <spidey> To: Michelle Roberts
09:52 <spidey> Subject: Re:
09:52 <spidey> I called late but you were not there. Email me tomorrow how things are going. We deem to have abit more strategy for kmart. Have kelly revse all the numbers for kmart. Using one outparcel along college ave and a price of 5500000. I will explain later. Can shhe email it to walker tomorrow am. ?
09:52 <spidey> Mark D. Campbell
09:52 <spidey> Southwestern Investment Group
09:52 <spidey> the investment group left a exploitable vnc!?!?!
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10:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: http://www.fileplanet.com/62938/60000/fileinfo/Armagetron Should we tell them to update ?
10:55 <joda_bot> Also "fileplanet is your source for armagetron" is a bit bold :-)
10:56 <spidey> apparently people don't like my sense of humor :s
10:58 <spidey> i logged into a vnc just as someone was logging onn the computer and sending a email,they said somthing about patching a webserver so he could access it,i added the line "Also i got pwned here at work" just before he sent it O_o
10:58 <joda_bot> spidey: Are you accessing open VNC connections ?
10:58 <spidey> open? no
10:59 <joda_bot> spidey: or do you sniff the PW somehow ?
10:59 <spidey> they're passworded
10:59 <joda_bot> so how do you get the pws ? bruteforce ?
10:59 <spidey> i don't get the password
10:59 <spidey> i bypass it
10:59 <joda_bot> ?
11:00 <joda_bot> because the vnc servers are buggy ?
11:00 <spidey> 24.18.168.215 :5900 vnc4:VULNERABLE
11:00 <spidey> 24.18.170.61 :5900 vnc4:patched
11:00 <spidey> 24.18.184.174 :5900 vnc4:VULNERABLE
11:00 <joda_bot> What do you use to scan for them ?
11:00 <spidey> something like that
11:00 <spidey> why? :p
11:01 <spidey> i now have over 50 vulnerable servers :p
11:01 <joda_bot> Just curious, because if it's checking most default security holes, you can use it to make sure you don't have anything VULNERABLE around ;)
11:01 <spidey> nah,it only works for vnc
11:01 <spidey> which i don't password my vnc server
11:02 <spidey> i disable remote curses and keyboard rendering
11:02 <spidey> curser*
11:03 <joda_bot> spidey: just be careful if you corrupt some data or crash the system then you'd be responsible for the mess, too. Even if their security is crap
11:03 <spidey> yea
11:03 <spidey> but i'm not
11:03 <spidey> only after one thing
11:03 <spidey> :)
11:03 <spidey> a 10mb server
11:03 <spidey> lol
11:03 <spidey> 10mbit*
11:04 <spidey> http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9171/untitled5ky.jpg
11:04 <spidey> O_o
11:04 <joda_bot> Just be nice and add a text file to their desktop telling them how to fix it.
11:04 <spidey> do i have to :(
11:04 <joda_bot> yes
11:05 <spidey> ok ok,i'll add a small one
11:05 <joda_bot> You'll also get more credits for those problems fixed than for pc's cracked
11:05 <spidey> i don't want credits
11:05 <spidey> i want a 10mb server :p
11:05 <joda_bot> spidey: what for ?
11:06 <joda_bot> I guess there are enough people around who could offer you some solutions
11:06 <spidey> data transfer? other types of servers? O_o
11:06 <joda_bot> Except if you want an anonymous entry point for hacking ;)
11:06 <spidey> tisn't hacking
11:07 <joda_bot> In a way it is, you're exploiting security holes.
11:07 <spidey> that's cracking....
11:07 <joda_bot> or badly maintained security
11:07 <joda_bot> what ever you call it :-P
11:08 <spidey> hacking/hackers what origanolly was a self taught programmer or someone a expert in a certain area of the computer
11:08 <spidey> but that was yeeeeeeeaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrs ago
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11:10 * spidey wonders if z-man rode in on a spiked motor cycle
11:10 <z-man> #anvil spidey
11:10 <armabot> /me drops an anvil on spidey.
11:10 <spidey> LOL
11:10 <z-man> aw, how do you make the /me commands work?
11:11 <spidey> they don't
11:11 <z-man> oh
11:11 <spidey> not for armabot
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11:17 <philippeqc> hi
11:17 <joda_bot> http://www.fileplanet.com/62938/60000/fileinfo/Armagetron
11:17 <joda_bot> Also "fileplanet is your source for armagetron" is a bit bold :-)
11:18 <joda_bot> hi
11:18 <joda_bot> z-man: Which scripts should I adopt if I move directx headers to winlibs and also the code_blocks project files for the libraries ?
11:24 <z-man> We have directx headers we actually use? I thought we're using the ones that come with code::blocks.
11:25 <z-man> You don't need to adapt any scripts for moving this stuff around.
11:25 <spidey> #insult z-man
11:25 <armabot> z-man - You are nothing but a squishy mass of pointy-nosed dye.
11:25 <spidey> O_o
11:26 <z-man> The Windows build takes basically the tarball content and the current content of winlibs from scm
11:26 <z-man> so as long as both match, we're fine.
11:26 <z-man> Oh, one possible problem: what will be the target directory for the libraries?
11:26 * z-man ignores spidey
11:28 <joda_bot> winlibs/build/{target}
11:28 <joda_bot> as before
11:28 <joda_bot> z-man: ok, about fixing my bugs ;)
11:29 <joda_bot> Is it possible to tell if a sync is ingame or during round setup ?
11:29 <joda_bot> Then I would only transmit player's teamnames at round start
11:29 <z-man> Possible, yes.
11:29 <z-man> Eeek, no, that would be a bad idea currently :)
11:30 <joda_bot> z-man: ok, why ?
11:30 <z-man> That's what WriteCreate would be fore.
11:30 <joda_bot> z-man: I've also some changes which make createnewteam only create a new team and not join another team if creating teams is not possible
11:31 <z-man> But sinve WriteCreate and WriteSync get to write to the same message, WriteCreate() is not extensible :(
11:31 <joda_bot> ?!
11:31 <joda_bot> WriteSync calls Write Create ?
11:31 <z-man> No, but both are called during object creation.
11:31 <joda_bot> otherwise I can just extent the sync message of writesync ?
11:32 <z-man> You can do that.
11:32 <joda_bot> so writecreate looks like:
11:32 <joda_bot> writesync
11:32 <joda_bot> write teamname ?
11:33 <z-man> No. Just someone calls <create message>, WriteCreate(message), WriteSync(message).
11:33 <joda_bot> z-man: another nice crash for you : https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1510378&group_id=110997&atid=657948
11:33 * joda_bot is confused ;)
11:33 * joda_bot goes back and looks at source
11:34 <z-man> It's just that conditional writes are a bad idea currently.
11:34 <z-man> Besides, from the client to the server, there is no special sync writing at round start.
11:34 <z-man> The player data gets synced every time it is changed, even between rounds.
11:35 <z-man> Only when playing on an old client that would accept player renames all of the time, syncs are delayed to between the rounds.
11:37 <joda_bot> z-man: Yes I've seen that
11:37 <joda_bot> I'll try to abstract your "naming"-safty methods to be able to use them for teamnames too
11:37 <joda_bot> most of the code is similiar
11:37 <z-man> That would be cool.
11:39 <joda_bot> z-man: nemo has to build the libraries for mac os x too
11:39 <joda_bot> z-man: so should we add his libs to winlibs to share headers / sources ?
11:39 <joda_bot> if he thinks it's a good idea ;)
11:40 <z-man> The sources should be the same, right?
11:40 <z-man> Then yes, if nemo wants his library build sources in SVN, that should be a good idea.
11:42 <joda_bot> we then could also provide maclibs ;)
11:42 <joda_bot> #notes
11:42 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, and phil.
11:45 <joda_bot> quote: How about adding the neccessary files for mac os x libraries to "winlibs". "winlibs" could be renamed to "libs". Proposal for the structure below libary subfolders: source (if present), includes (if needed), win32/*.dll, macosx/*.dynlib
11:45 <z-man> gAIBase.cpp:2018 is empty?????
11:46 <joda_bot> uh, mom I added some comments so ... I'll just get you the lines
11:47 <joda_bot> log->Print();
11:47 <joda_bot> // st_Breakpoint();
11:47 <joda_bot> }
11:47 <joda_bot> * last = log->entries[log->current-1].turn;
11:47 <joda_bot> #endif
11:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: look at /etc/rc.conf for the kdm/xdm thing
11:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like someone doesn't like wrtlbot ;)
11:49 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
11:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.CIA" to see what configuration variables it has.
11:49 <joda_bot> z-man: I also got some more memory manager bugs ... but armagetronad now startsup with MP3, MIDI etc. support in SDL_mixer
11:49 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess the commits thing will work now
11:50 <z-man> joda_bot: you have a talent not to include the really important variables in your watch screenshots :) Where is log?
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11:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: /etc/rc.conf:
11:50 <z-man> joda_bot: disable the memory manager. It doesn't work properly with some libraries.
11:50 <wrtlprnft> # What display manager do you use ? [ xdm | gdm | kdm | entrance ]
11:50 <wrtlprnft> DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm"
11:51 * z-man think he already did that.
11:51 <z-man> joda_bot: define #DONTUSEMEMMANAGER or something everywhere :)
11:51 <joda_bot> z-man: Yes, I just tried to do some more extreme tests there
11:52 <joda_bot> I'd really be happy if I was able to understand those crashes :)
11:53 <z-man> Hmm, log->current is initialized to zero, as it seems
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11:53 <z-man> which makes log->something[log->current-1] ill defined.
11:53 <z-man> I think that's it.
11:54 <z-man> The problem with the memory manager is that you have to make sure all memory allocated over it is freed over it. mixing doesn't work...
11:55 <z-man> so if a library allocates memory (via the standard heap) and we free it (via the memory manager), things go wrong.
11:55 <wrtlprnft> does the memmanaged do anything if you use the c++ new operator or do you need tNEW?
11:55 <wrtlprnft> tNEW just looks so ugly i never use it
11:55 <z-man> It is also active on regular news, but gets less information.
11:56 <wrtlprnft> ah, so unless you use malloc() and free() you're safe?
11:56 <z-man> The information is only important for memory profiles, the leak finder (in conjunction with recording) works fine.
11:56 <wrtlprnft> i don't even know about memory profiles
11:56 <wrtlprnft> :P
11:56 <z-man> wrtlprnft: those are mapped to use our memory manager, too :)
11:57 <z-man> Well, we don't have much need for profiles :)
11:57 <wrtlprnft> ah, sweet. So the only thing it won't get is libxml and friends?
11:57 <z-man> Right.
11:57 <z-man> For those, I use valgrind in Unix without our memory manager.
11:57 <wrtlprnft> valgrind seems to work fine even with the manager enabled
11:58 <z-man> yes, but it's getting less useful information.
11:58 <z-man> Valgrind does some smarter things than our memory manager.
11:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah, and it's sloooow...
11:58 <z-man> heh.
11:58 <z-man> But worth it every once in a while.
11:59 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, the framerate meter seems to display garbage when playing back recordings and with a very low framerate
11:59 <z-man> Now if only the nvidia openGL driver and X11 didn't produce tons of warnings in it.
11:59 <z-man> In playback mode, the FPS meter should display the framerate at recording time :)
11:59 <z-man> At least it did that in 0.2.8.
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12:03 <joda_bot> z-man: Could we just bypass the memory manager for those allocations ?
12:04 <z-man> Which allocations?
12:04 <joda_bot> the libaries ;)
12:04 <joda_bot> just read up on the explanation
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4967 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 4959 to 4966:
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: r4966 | z-man | 2006-06-22 14:25:51 +0200 (Thu, 22 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: When a cycle is pushed back by a passive wall collsion, its current wall gets updated along with its position.
12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:04 <joda_bot> :)
12:04 <joda_bot> go armabot
12:04 <z-man> Cool
12:05 <z-man> It's hard to control what the memmanager does with library allocations, really
12:05 <z-man> Plus, some libraries have buggy allocation/deallocation patterns :(
12:05 <wrtlprnft> z-man: for valgrind, doesn't it have a method to ignore certain libraries?
12:05 <z-man> libarts uses new[] to create, and delete to delete in some places
12:05 <wrtlprnft> mine gets a lot of warnings in my graphic card drivers
12:06 <z-man> Valgrind is a virtual machine.
12:06 <wrtlprnft> i know
12:06 <z-man> It can do much more than a regular application.
12:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but still it displays tons of warnings and it's a pain for me to find actual information
12:07 <z-man> Ah, I thought you were saying "valgrind can do this, why can't we?" :)
12:07 <joda_bot> The most crashes for me have been when libxml is called with freexml(parameter)
12:07 <z-man> You can give valgrind ignore patterns, yes.
12:07 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no, i wasn't saying that
12:08 <wrtlprnft> i was just wondering to embed that into the project, the same way we tell gdb to have a breakpoint in st_Breakpoint()
12:08 <wrtlprnft> *if we could embed that
12:08 <z-man> maybe, but probably everyone is getting different warnings anyway
12:09 <z-man> at least the line numbers are likely to differ.
12:09 <wrtlprnft> line numbers? I don't get any for system libraries
12:09 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about disabling all warnings that don't come from us
12:10 <z-man> That could be difficult.
12:10 <z-man> I didn't read the docs that much, I admit :) I'm happy to run the server through it.
12:10 <wrtlprnft> ah, i was running the client
12:16 <z-man> Let's see how much armabot-cia is allowed to print :)
12:16 <wrtlprnft> i think the CIA bot in #commits will crop after a certain size
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4968 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4958 to 4967:
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: r4965 | davidfancella | 2006-06-22 06:46:55 +0200 (Thu, 22 Jun 2006) | 3 lines
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Changed default sound_buffer_size for all platforms to be 4.0 when windows users tested it and it worked
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: fine.
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4969 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gAIBase.cpp: Fixed AI crash in debug mode from missing check.
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12:17 <wrtlprnft> hi there :)
12:17 <Self_Destructo> hi
12:17 <Self_Destructo> g2g, bbl
12:17 -!- Self_Destructo [n=sd@h197.168.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Client Quit]
12:17 <wrtlprnft> what a short visit
12:17 <wrtlprnft> and a short leave, too
12:19 <cusco> yoo
12:19 <cusco> thats what I call doctros visit
12:19 <cusco> doctor's
12:19 <cusco> tronning in...
12:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you could have deleted my "test- commit for armabot" in the log, it was just a change from NULL to 0 somewhere
12:21 <z-man> I didn't read the log :)
12:21 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i see you got your site fixed :) what was the problem?
12:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man: Anyone ever added a console to gui application (windows ?)
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: problem with vhost config
13:25 <philippeqc> any string split capacity in std? I only found boost::tokenizer.
13:27 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: what do you mean? you mean the stdin console of the dedicated server?
13:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: stting split? What's that?
13:27 <philippeqc> string
13:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i meant string
13:28 <wrtlprnft> you mean like explode() in PHP?
13:28 <philippeqc> "a,b,c,d" => {"a", "b", "c", "d"} of any form
13:28 <philippeqc> dont know php
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: thanks for the xdm thing, now my server's updated :)
13:29 <philippeqc> well, if it is in boost, I guess its because there isnt anythign in std. :(
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> finally I can worry about making my server better instead of just making it work :)
13:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah, that's php::explode()
13:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yw
13:29 <philippeqc> joda_bot: i think I have the basis for an interface for the "mapper" of map player and team id to in-game id's
13:29 <philippeqc> ok
13:30 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: uh, streams should allow you to do that
13:30 <wrtlprnft> though i think they only work with whitespace as separators
13:30 <philippeqc> yeah? let me check. Annotation didnt have any split method in it.
13:30 <philippeqc> o
13:30 <philippeqc> dotn know if that is a prob
13:30 <wrtlprnft> like, you make a istringstream, fill it with your strings, and then extract strings until it's empty
13:35 <philippeqc> ok
13:35 <philippeqc> splitting on " " just doesnt feel natural ;)
13:35 <philippeqc> the data would come from xml
13:38 <wrtlprnft> for xml, why don't you just use separate tags
13:38 <wrtlprnft> or look what i
13:38 <wrtlprnft> *or look what I'm doing with the camera string in the cockpit
13:38 <philippeqc> joda_bot: 3 input methods, 2 output. input are (teamId), (teamId and playerId) (playerId). 1st one add a new team descriptor if it is not present. 2nd one add a new team descriptor if it is not present, then add the player descriptor to it if it is not present. 3rd just add a player descriptor OUTSIDE OF ANY TEAM.
13:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: nice, sound better. I'll look at it.
13:39 <wrtlprnft> although it's a bunch of copy and paste code
13:39 <wrtlprnft> the same code is used in the thing that parses FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA_SOURCES
13:40 <philippeqc> joda_bot: 2 output method : getTeam(teamId), returns the in-game id that your code associated with the team descriptor. getPlayer(playerId) does the same for players.
13:40 <wrtlprnft> and it's copy and paste, fortunately just a few simple lines
13:40 <philippeqc> ok
13:43 <philippeqc> you do a while on string.find(' ', startPos)
13:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, but it should say find_first_of()
13:44 <wrtlprnft> but it says find...
13:44 <wrtlprnft> looks like it doesn't matter
13:46 <philippeqc> #include<iostream>
13:46 <philippeqc> #include<boost/tokenizer.hpp>
13:46 <philippeqc> #include<string>
13:46 <philippeqc> int main(){
13:46 <philippeqc> using namespace std;
13:46 <philippeqc> using namespace boost;
13:46 <philippeqc> string s = "This is, a test";
13:46 <philippeqc> tokenizer<> tok(s);
13:46 <philippeqc> for(tokenizer<>::iterator beg=tok.begin(); beg!=tok.end();++beg){
13:46 <philippeqc> cout << *beg << "\n";
13:46 <philippeqc> }
13:46 <philippeqc> }
13:46 <philippeqc> output:
13:46 <philippeqc> This
13:46 <philippeqc> is
13:46 <philippeqc> a
13:46 <philippeqc> test
13:46 <wrtlprnft> looks nice :)
13:47 <wrtlprnft> if you get that into the project for us i'll use it
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13:47 * philippeqc is going to creep in boost one part at the time
13:48 <philippeqc> woa, it actually separated this and is
13:49 <wrtlprnft> including the comma :)
13:49 <philippeqc> I was hoping for the comma, but note that it is one very nice default behavior ;)
13:50 <wrtlprnft> i need it to split at :, though...
13:50 <wrtlprnft> can you try that?
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13:50 <philippeqc> yes you mean ":" and "," ?
13:51 <philippeqc> string s = "This :is, a:test";
13:51 <philippeqc> produced the same output
13:51 <wrtlprnft> nice :)
13:51 <philippeqc> this start to be creepy ...
13:51 <philippeqc> yeah
13:51 <wrtlprnft> what about "that's a test?"
13:51 <wrtlprnft> or that_s a test
13:51 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't split at _
13:52 <wrtlprnft> or, it would better not, because i don't want it to :)
13:53 <philippeqc> This_is, a:test
13:53 <philippeqc> This
13:53 <philippeqc> is
13:53 <philippeqc> a
13:53 <philippeqc> test
13:53 <wrtlprnft> :(
13:53 <philippeqc> oups, defautl behavior seems to do it
13:53 <philippeqc> http://www.boost.org/libs/tokenizer/tokenizer.htm
13:53 <wrtlprnft> then i need to change the default
13:53 <philippeqc> overwride the tokenizerFunc
13:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i guess i would use isblank() then
13:55 <wrtlprnft> or more likely i'd have to make my own one
13:56 <philippeqc> then you cant split on "," or ":"
13:56 <philippeqc> why _ are important, why not use camel case?
13:56 <wrtlprnft> well, we already use _ ;)
13:56 <wrtlprnft> and it's case insensitive
13:57 <philippeqc> o ok
13:57 <philippeqc> well, you dont need to change your code.
13:57 <wrtlprnft> if i make my own function i can change it, and i will :)
13:58 <philippeqc> yes
14:03 <joda_bot> philippeqc: ok, cool so my code get a ids delivered and I assign player's to ids
14:03 <philippeqc> yes. consider ids to be strings.
14:03 <joda_bot> I fixed the console stuff, and now I've got a nice debug console ;)
14:03 <philippeqc> o and "assign" to be quite a loose definition
14:03 <philippeqc> nice
14:03 <joda_bot> philippeqc: you assign player's to slots ?
14:04 <joda_bot> I'm calling the playerid "slots"
14:04 <joda_bot> and team slots ;)
14:04 <philippeqc> if you need a call to tell you that all the teamId and playerId have been loaded so you can map them, just let me know
14:04 <philippeqc> well, I tried to go for a broader definition. but slot could fit
14:05 <joda_bot> Broader than slots ?
14:05 <joda_bot> ;)
14:05 <joda_bot> Is the latest spawn point spec on the wiki ?
14:05 <philippeqc> except that you in your code are allowed to say that one team gets 5 teamId and another only 1
14:05 * philippeqc checks the wiki
14:07 <philippeqc> nope, not on the wiki.
14:07 <philippeqc> got a suggestion of a section where I could add it?
14:08 <philippeqc> found the category "stuff in CVS HEAD"
14:11 <joda_bot> hm
14:12 <joda_bot> Just make an entry ... does not have to be linked yet ;)
14:12 <philippeqc> lost my password
14:12 <philippeqc> and firefox decided to crash on gmail...
14:12 <joda_bot> philippeqc: are you using tab to switch from login to password filed ?
14:13 <joda_bot> philippeqc: because if you do, then you might have modified the hidden data to prevent spam bots ;)
14:13 <philippeqc> no
14:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do you precache all character of the font ?
14:13 <joda_bot> (perhaps even for all font modes ?)
14:14 <philippeqc> ok, now it decided to work ;)
14:17 <philippeqc> dumped online, but difficult to read
14:17 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I always have to press tab multiple times to keep the spam protection intact ;)
14:18 <philippeqc> the name is Spawn points, but its kinda bad
14:18 <philippeqc> also, it only investigate the case where players doent really appear in formation. One could "fake" a formation, but its more build for spreading people around
14:19 <philippeqc> so be tolerant of these parts.
14:19 <joda_bot> ?
14:20 <joda_bot> With the spawn points being extented to spawn areas
14:20 <joda_bot> that should be fixed
14:20 <philippeqc> On the other hand, the rules of association of playerid and teamid should be quite sound. Irrelevantly that we decide or not to use this for the spawn, I'll need the capacity of ownership described here for the zones.
14:20 <joda_bot> I'll just receive the spawn formation from the captain and assign places
14:20 <philippeqc> then who owns it? if many players are in the spawn area, how do they know what they own
14:20 <joda_bot> or if he allows it, let the player's position freely later
14:21 <joda_bot> the spawn zones overlap
14:21 <joda_bot> so for fortress there would be 16 overlapping spawn zones
14:21 <joda_bot> Hm, perhaps it would be wise to find a way to allow for more players than "spawn points"
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14:22 <joda_bot> Image someone uses z-man's 32+ player support and the maps have to list each spawn point :|
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14:22 <philippeqc> covered my ass: in the doc it say that you can use wingman formation. The trouble is not on the spawn point, but more how to assign ownership of items
14:24 <joda_bot> on second thought if the map does not support 32 players why bother ;)
14:24 <philippeqc> I want to allow case like this: A is leader (center in todays formation) B is right defender (right tip of the wing now) C is left defender (left tip of the wing now). Rest of the team doesnt matter. then...
14:25 <philippeqc> you make that the zone can be conquered by any enemy, but can only be defended by B and C. Any other player in it just doesnt help.
14:25 <philippeqc> how on the map would you define who B and C are if you deal with "spawn formations" or "spawn zones"?
14:27 <joda_bot> ok, you could pass specify a set of player id to the engine
14:27 <philippeqc> I know you want spawn zone and formation, it just I dont know how a player will know who he is, ownership wise. And if you cant know that, maybe it is the wrong player that is defending the zone, and he wont be able to do a thing to recapture it, except try to kill any intruders.
14:28 <joda_bot> and the playerids are assigend one spawnpoint .
14:29 <philippeqc> map teamId and playerId to in-game id's translation is your task. I (parser) have the details of the maps... then I want what they map to
14:29 <philippeqc> because there are many mapping possible
14:30 <joda_bot> What are you trying to tell me ? ;)
14:30 <joda_bot> That I have store them ?
14:30 <philippeqc> hexagonal arena: 6 corners... very good to play at 6 teams.... Or 3....... Or 2.... The map doesnt know that, so it describe for 6 teams. your code will decide how to merge them (or not) and assigne them to in-game teams
14:30 <joda_bot> I know that, or do you want to point out that the map has to flexible
14:30 <joda_bot> ?
14:30 <joda_bot> like n:m associations ?
14:30 <philippeqc> yes, its a 2 phase process. One you store, then possibly you do some decision after all is stored, then I query for your results
14:30 <philippeqc> it could be
14:31 <philippeqc> well not just the map, your code too.
14:31 <philippeqc> another example... Lets have the same map, but now the game mode is "everybody agains the winner"
14:32 <philippeqc> map doesnt change, but for you, you make a team of 1 player, then a team of every body else
14:32 <joda_bot> ah ok, now I get it
14:32 <philippeqc> if you give the 1 player team the ressources of 1 map team or all but one, it change the "game mode", but not the map description.
14:33 <philippeqc> so that would be actually 2 game mode: "all agains the winner, poor ressources" ie: get only the ressources of one team and "all agains the winner, rich ressources", ie: everybody has to share the resouces of 1 map team, and the 1 man team has all the rest.
14:33 <joda_bot> Problem: Which spawn points to assign first with less than full amount of players ?
14:33 <joda_bot> Can we agree on the following concept: either you provide a order (parsed from the XML file) to the interface, or I just pick priorities by the order you add them
14:34 <joda_bot> e.g. first spawn point will be assigned first
14:36 <philippeqc> I could, I'm not just sure its a good solution. Hexagonal map, with 3 teams, do you join adjacent resources, or resouces on opposite corners? You have to guess that the map describe the team in a sequencial order.
14:37 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess I won't cover those customized resource assignments (at least not with the default code)
14:37 <philippeqc> nota: I recommend you used std::map or std::set. the id's can be anything. so teamId="potato" has playerId= "salad" "tomato", teamId="3" has playerId="blue" and "yellow", or any other mix
14:37 <joda_bot> sure ;)
14:38 <joda_bot> a map was really what I thought about
14:38 <philippeqc> joda_bot: maybe not, but a good framework is required so it is possible to add it, and easy to do
14:38 <philippeqc> ok for map
14:39 <philippeqc> i think you will have to note the order in which you get the ids, like you proposed. That may enable you to make decisions.
14:41 <philippeqc> o and I'd prefer to pass you the data as I collect it, and when I guess its all there, then I could call a "calculate" method, so you do the mapping to in-game id's
14:42 <philippeqc> that would keep the parser as independant as possible of "game mode logic"
14:42 <joda_bot> philippeqc: ok, I'll probably overload the method you specified and the default just uses the a lower "priority" than the last addition...
14:42 <joda_bot> (like addMapping(tString id, gSpawnPoint p) calls addMapping(id,p, nextpriority())
14:42 <philippeqc> ie: rather than me trying to accumulate counters for every category, and passing them to you.
14:43 <philippeqc> no no, no spawn point there
14:43 <philippeqc> or not as I saw it
14:43 <joda_bot> ok, fine you will specify/manage the spawn points relative to the id, makes sense
14:43 <philippeqc> FIRST, I tell you about the map id's, and their associations (ie playerId x goes to teamId y)
14:43 <joda_bot> just did not know what to pass in as arguments
14:44 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
14:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
14:44 <Vanhayes> damn
14:44 <philippeqc> THEN I was thinking of querying you when its time to build the resources. Zones operate like that, like "tell me the player id of "yellow" "
14:46 <joda_bot> Where yellow is a team id ?
14:47 <philippeqc> but for spawn, then it means they exist inthe engine with some ownership information (this spawn is owned by player 23,24 and 25 and by team 6) , and then when it is time for them to spawn / appear at game start, they can only select a spawn point that they own.
14:48 <philippeqc> "yellow" is a teamId as written in the map. I give it to you at first, and you store it. Then I call your calculate, and you match all the labels with actual, in-game ids. then when I query you again with the same map teamId, you give me the result you calculated.
14:49 <philippeqc> yeah, confusing between map labels and in-game id
14:50 <joda_bot> philippeqc: What will I do if you specify a playerid two times ?
14:50 <philippeqc> map label "yellow" is not the same as in-game team colored yellow.
14:50 <joda_bot> e.g. the same tupel "player a", "team yellow"
14:51 <philippeqc> a playerid can be at max in one team. it can also be in no teams.
14:51 <philippeqc> i think a "first fit is right" should be used. before an insert to a category, you check it it exists somewhere else
14:51 <philippeqc> yes
14:53 <joda_bot> so I store
14:53 <joda_bot> team id -> player id list
14:53 <joda_bot> and
14:53 <joda_bot> player id -> team id
14:53 <joda_bot> that way I can tell quickly if any of the provided values are valid
14:53 <philippeqc> from now one, in our discussion, lets have playerId as single low-case letters, teamId as cardinal points (North or N), and in-game data is numbers
14:54 <philippeqc> yes, that decision is up to you.
14:55 <philippeqc> a in-game team can have more player than it has player id. It can also have no player Id. This only means that resources cant be described at the player level. This is classic fortress case. players dont matter, just the team
14:58 <joda_bot> philippeqc: what is the problem to restrict it to 1:1 matches player id and play
14:58 <joda_bot> player
14:58 <joda_bot> this makes the implementation and correlation to spawnpoints easier
14:59 <joda_bot> do we assign a player to spawn points sets or to a explicit spawn point ?
14:59 <philippeqc> fortress doesnt do that. it has 1 spawn point for the whole team, and polulate it in wing man formation
14:59 <joda_bot> I know does not mean we have to keep this , does it ?
15:00 <philippeqc> in the inverse, you forbid players to "navigate" between their spawn points at game start, and pick the one they guess is the most advantageous
15:00 <joda_bot> the default spawn point information, can be added by a compatiblity layer
15:02 <philippeqc> if you follow that rule, then a map can only be played by as many players as it has players id. Someone might want to give everybody 2 bots at game start!
15:02 <philippeqc> its that kind of thing you have to be carefull of. You have to ALLOW for it, even if your included implementation doesnt.
15:04 <joda_bot> ok, we have to ask two questions here:
15:04 <joda_bot> Why is it neccessary to have more players than specified / intended by the map maker ?
15:04 <joda_bot> Is the way more complex implementation worth it ?
15:04 <philippeqc> quick answer: fortress.
15:05 <joda_bot> That's no answer ;)
15:05 <philippeqc> long answer: because you and me cant predict what others will think will be fun.
15:05 <joda_bot> You can set spawn points or spawn areas, if you want a map for 32 players design it for that many players
15:06 <joda_bot> scaling it down is not the problem, but with up scaling there is no telling how to use the spawn points
15:06 <joda_bot> also once respawing is available we can just let them spawn after each other
15:07 <joda_bot> All games I've seen have a maximum player limit specified by maps (I guess)
15:07 <philippeqc> at game start they might be placed in a wingman formation over a communal start point, for respawn, it shouldn't be a prob.
15:09 <philippeqc> army formation: 2 named playerId in the map, one general, one caporal, with their spawn points up on the hill. then 1000 drones all mangled up in one very big communal spawn zone.
15:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: uh, if i got that right it doesn't precache anything and just loads the characters it uses, but keeps those in cache
15:09 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ok, then it's Lucifer_arma making Tron load for 30 sec ;)
15:10 <wrtlprnft> ?!
15:10 <philippeqc> players should be allowed to shared resources that are owned by the team. they just get in wingman formation if is a spawn point, or free location if it is a spawn zone
15:10 <wrtlprnft> uh, err
15:10 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't happen
15:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: set FONT_TYPE to 0 and see if it still takes 30 secs
15:10 <joda_bot> I want to have a simple rule at run time, there can not be more players than spawn points
15:11 <joda_bot> except you use respawn
15:11 <philippeqc> yes, but you fall in the traditional trap. ie: what you want vs what others want.
15:12 <joda_bot> I fall to the trap of not making too much work out of it
15:12 <philippeqc> if a spawn zone is a big square, what forbids 2 players to use the 2 forward corners as their starting spawn point? Or any other single point in it?
15:12 <joda_bot> I don't want to code it in a way of a library but to the requirements to the game
15:13 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yes, I've been thinking about it
15:13 <joda_bot> that's exactly the thing that makes me consider it
15:13 <joda_bot> because you only have to define one area then
15:14 <joda_bot> assuming it's supported, can the map restrict the number of players inside it ?
15:14 <philippeqc> yes, then just dont limit it. ie: dont filter out automatically players in excess. But if you want a game mode that is "as many players as spawn points" then it's ok. Other can have other game modes
15:14 <joda_bot> How to prevent 20 players spawning from a single spot ?
15:14 <philippeqc> why should you prevent it ?
15:15 <wrtlprnft> ok, playing back a 0.3.0_alpha2 recording in the trunk doesn't work ;)
15:15 <joda_bot> Just does not make sense, who lives who dies etc.
15:15 <philippeqc> they might think its fun, might get a nice boost? if a player doesnt like it, he might pick the side, and head away from the possible carnage.
15:15 <philippeqc> if the area is REALLY big, the suddenly it does make sence
15:16 <philippeqc> s/the/then/
15:16 <joda_bot> philippeqc: only with zones
15:16 <philippeqc> yes
15:16 <joda_bot> I oppose the concept of multiple players starting from a point
15:16 <philippeqc> wingman?
15:17 <joda_bot> philippeqc: that what I intend to remove on the long run
15:17 <philippeqc> single point with many players => wingman. Zone => free location
15:17 <joda_bot> The map decides if the players are allowed in an area, and then they can choose a formation
15:17 <philippeqc> the problem with open source, is that the community is very vocal. You cant remove something unless it is a real problem.
15:17 <joda_bot> philippeqc: What about player directly into walls etc. .. nah, I still don't like the idea
15:17 <wrtlprnft> very weird
15:18 <joda_bot> and the problem will be to make those formations customizable ...
15:18 <wrtlprnft> in ghableska's recording, the mew shows up everywhere but in the tab completion
15:18 <philippeqc> then they would be limited to some formation around a single player located anywhere in the area. Why not have them just pick their place anywhere if they want to. For the defender, it might be good not to start in the same direction as the rest
15:18 <joda_bot> heh, player's spawing directly into walls
15:19 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Spawm_points
15:19 <wrtlprnft> shall i move that?
15:19 <joda_bot> where ?
15:19 <wrtlprnft> SpawN_Points
15:19 <philippeqc> yes, it need a good title, but it is in the right section
15:19 <philippeqc> yes
15:19 <wrtlprnft> so it is a typo? ok
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15:20 <philippeqc> yes
15:20 <ghableska> hello
15:20 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
15:20 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
15:20 <philippeqc> hi ghableska
15:20 <ghableska> hi philippeqc
15:20 <wrtlprnft> in ghableska's recording, the mew shows up everywhere but in the tab completion
15:20 <Vanhayes> Hey ghableska
15:20 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
15:20 <joda_bot> philippeqc: ok, comprise suggestion:
15:21 <joda_bot> philippeqc: the engine gets two modes, mode 1: disallow multiple players on one spawn point
15:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: done
15:21 <joda_bot> philippeqc: mode 2: allow multiple players on one spawn point (and enable it by telling the engine how big the area around a spawn point is)
15:22 <joda_bot> that way we effectively convert spawn points to areas and it works with my formation idea
15:22 <philippeqc> you are merging spawn point and spawn zone
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: and it really only affects mew and inverse-!, right?
15:22 <joda_bot> e.g. player's can pick their positions inside the area of the "redefined" spawn point
15:22 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, I'm not sure, since those are the only ones I've seen in peoples' names
15:23 <joda_bot> This also makes sure the size of the spawn_point area is specifed somewhere
15:23 <philippeqc> your formation can exist on a spawn point too. and the advantage of the zone, where I can set myself to go back, and try to go around the enemy is totally lost
15:23 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: you still on fortress?
15:23 <ghableska> er, no
15:23 <joda_bot> philippeqc: There is no way to limit the player's choice of position for a point
15:23 <philippeqc> dont mix spawn point and zone. Let them be 2 different entities
15:23 <ghableska> I can go back....
15:23 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: can you go to my race server then?
15:23 <ghableska> sure
15:23 <wrtlprnft> there i have logs
15:23 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, I think I saw an ? or something like that that didnt show up on score table
15:24 <philippeqc> joda_bot: why would you want to limit it, it is the good thing of an area, to be unlimited in positions
15:24 <joda_bot> philippeqc: because I want the player to be able to choose / specify their positions
15:24 <joda_bot> even for fortress
15:24 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: that is, what happened to my server?!
15:25 <ghableska> I don't see it on the list
15:25 <joda_bot> I think this would be good solution and because it allows the maps to be backwards compatible and you're right I was wrong ;)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: ok, the server is back up
15:25 <ghableska> ok
15:25 <philippeqc> joda_bot: then that is an area. they can spawn anywhere in it, in the box, circle, banana, or what ever that it describe
15:25 <philippeqc> but if a map makes say "no, dude, you start here, on that point", then its a spawn point.
15:26 <wrtlprnft> wtf, it's not?!
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15:26 <ghableska> nope...
15:26 <ghableska> still don't see it
15:26 <wrtlprnft> grr
15:26 <joda_bot> philippeqc: IMHO a spawn point should not allow formations
15:26 <philippeqc> joda_bot: its not about being right or not, just trying to make you see my point of view, which is, never artificially restrict.
15:26 <ghableska> what about your spoon server?
15:26 <joda_bot> philippeqc: because I want the formations to be client side
15:27 <philippeqc> ?????
15:27 <ghableska> oh nvm
15:27 <philippeqc> spawn point or zone first, and then you make a difference I dont get
15:28 <joda_bot> and not server side, so the server needs a way to check if a formation is valid, ... we could agree on that idea that if multiple players are assigned to a point and point's are allowed to support formation then the player can move his cycle anywhere
15:28 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: gah, no clue... custom connect to wrtlrprnft.ath.cx
15:28 <wrtlprnft> lowest possible port
15:28 <philippeqc> if I give 1 spawn POINT for a team, I assume they will need a formation to place themself. as a map maker, I dont say "wingman" or anything (they dont have that control). but something else (your logic, the leader) select a formation, and the player fall into it
15:29 <joda_bot> yes
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15:29 <ghableska> ok
15:29 <joda_bot> but if you don't limit the area, the leader might pick a formation that places his players directly infront of the enemy team
15:30 <philippeqc> formation for me is some kind of a rule. like position 1 is x,y, position 2 is x+50, y-50, position 3 x-50, y-50, not like "point with your mouse anywhere"
15:31 <philippeqc> then its not a spawn point
15:31 <philippeqc> its a "anywhere on the map"
15:32 <philippeqc> I had the idea that formations would be "pre-defined/pre-configured". the leader would type "hockey_formation" and then the players could place themself 3 on the front line, 2 behind them and one far behind.
15:32 <philippeqc> there would be like libraries of formations
15:33 <joda_bot> what's the difference between an area with 10 points inside it, to a point with 10 points around it ?
15:33 <philippeqc> players could have a choice of valid positions
15:33 <joda_bot> The limitation, that the points should be inside the area
15:33 <joda_bot> if an admin wants the leader to be able to use formations which place the players anywhere on the grid np
15:34 <philippeqc> areas shouldnt have limitation other than "you have to be inside"
15:34 <philippeqc> point without formation allows only for a single player to use it
15:34 <joda_bot> just increase the spawn point conversion factor to a very high value
15:35 <philippeqc> point with formation allows for more, but the formation would need to be predefined to be easy to select and use, and also to avoid the "formation of +1000 meters so we start over your zone"
15:35 <joda_bot> uhm, ok the leader basically converts the area into points or let's the player's choose their position themselves
15:36 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yes, I agree that formations have to be predefined until something usable is implemented
15:36 <joda_bot> either a xml file to specify formation rules or scripting
15:36 <joda_bot> but that's not what I'm talking about
15:37 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: when you come back, can you try it with 0.2.8.2? Infamous sais he gets the same bug there
15:37 <joda_bot> All I want is to limit the area a formation can use, if you start from a "spawn point"
15:37 <philippeqc> we only differ on one point. I see areas are totally free, and point as single spawn location OR holder for a formation. But you want to restrict the area to also have a formation.
15:38 <joda_bot> how the area is used, depends on the engine
15:38 <philippeqc> then to restrict, its neither a point nor an area, but a combinaison. it get to be a third kind
15:39 <philippeqc> its a spawn point with a radius around it.
15:39 <joda_bot> and we started from a discussion about how many player's may be assigend to one spawn point
15:39 <philippeqc> lol
15:39 <philippeqc> yes
15:39 <philippeqc> we should push this discussion to the forum (spawn points and area)
15:40 <joda_bot> Let's not use the forum
15:40 <philippeqc> why?
15:40 <joda_bot> Let's copy the results to the wiki straight away
15:40 <joda_bot> It's easier to maintain a spec there and we can just use the talk page for discussion
15:41 <philippeqc> we have a result?
15:41 <joda_bot> that way you also have it all in one place, spec and the discussion that let to it
15:41 <philippeqc> ok
15:41 <joda_bot> philippeqc: not a final one, but atleast some proposals and we agree on many points
15:41 <joda_bot> just have to work out the rest
15:41 <philippeqc> ok
15:42 <philippeqc> lets split spawn location (point, area, pointy area) and map ids
15:42 <joda_bot> no ;)
15:42 <joda_bot> heh it's only point and area(or shape if you want to call it that way)
15:43 <philippeqc> i need map id like very soon ;) if its possible, even at a semi dumb implementation, so I can move forward with other parts of zones
15:43 <joda_bot> Because the last thing is just a compatilbity layer which runs inside the engine to be backwards compatible
15:43 <joda_bot> e.g. in a certain mode of the engine, all points are converted to areas internally
15:43 <philippeqc> not sure I get you
15:44 <joda_bot> all *spawn* points
15:44 <philippeqc> oooo hummm, not sure its a good idea.
15:44 <philippeqc> let me thing
15:44 <philippeqc> think
15:44 <philippeqc> i feel you remove power from the map designer if you do that
15:45 <joda_bot> why ?
15:45 <wrtlprnft> power to the map designer! power to me!
15:45 <joda_bot> it's one mode
15:45 <joda_bot> ;)
15:45 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, back
15:45 <wrtlprnft> wb
15:45 <joda_bot> the other mode is just like you want it
15:45 <ghableska> ok, downloading 2.8.2 now
15:45 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: can you test with 0.2.8.2?
15:45 <philippeqc> if he put a point, he wanted a point. Depending on game mode, formation could apply, but it still not an area.
15:45 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
15:45 <ghableska> yeah
15:45 <joda_bot> In the end you can call it a extra mode to make me happy ;)
15:46 <ghableska> ok, should I go back to your server?
15:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah. it should be on the list
15:46 <joda_bot> philippeqc: current maps only define one spawn point for many players, so we need a way to match that concept to be backward compatible
15:46 <ghableska> yuck, the font
15:46 <ghableska> hehe
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, my master server is running again
15:47 <philippeqc> i understand you point, and partially agrees, but you remove possibilities. if both captain want a "wide line" formation, but the game mode say "na, points with radius around it of 20", then they cant use it as a point. Not saying my argument is very solid, just that it feels like you are introducing some additional restriction.
15:47 <joda_bot> e.g. the default engine mode is convert spawn points to spawn area and lock it to default wingman
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> here's hoping people will stop complaining about 2 masters being down
15:47 <Vanhayes> O ya how do I get that font again? when I reinstalled .3 it wasnt using it.
15:48 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yes I am ;)
15:48 <joda_bot> if the map maker wants to allow it, then she can use a value of 1000 and we're done
15:48 <philippeqc> restriction == bad
15:48 <joda_bot> the map won't get that big
15:48 <philippeqc> but then they would have placed an area
15:49 <joda_bot> philippeqc: for a server running 0.2.8.2 ?
15:49 <philippeqc> what is the problem you want to fix: you want to deny fake formation that push players too far from the spawn point idea, like over the enemy location
15:49 <joda_bot> ah ok, I begin to see what you're point at ;)
15:49 <joda_bot> hmm
15:50 <joda_bot> philippeqc: but what if you want to convert a map from 0.2.8.2 ?
15:50 <philippeqc> but you dont want (i guess) to remove formation that might exceed a pre-defined radius, if both team agrees on them
15:50 <joda_bot> I would just not let player's outside it spawn
15:51 <philippeqc> points => points . no conversion. it just support formations (at the engine level, map dont care about formation)
15:51 <joda_bot> this automatically implies a restriction of the number of player's
15:51 <joda_bot> I don't want points to support formations ...
15:52 <joda_bot> What if I want 20 player's to spawn from a point, but after each other ?
15:52 <philippeqc> joda, lets pretend taht wingman is (x+-20*N/2, y - 20*N/2) for all N up to the number of player in the team
15:52 <joda_bot> yes
15:53 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: ?
15:53 <philippeqc> your idea is a game mode then. I'd guess.
15:53 <wrtlprnft> i was gonna come back
15:53 <ghableska> yeah, I'm reinstalling .3
15:53 <wrtlprnft> ah, right
15:53 <joda_bot> philippeqc: Yes, I realised that before
15:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm, this might end up having something to do with unicode
15:53 <philippeqc> well, what limit the size is the number of players. one can "rush" to grab the outtermost position of the wingman, (if a player can select the position of the formation), but he can be "outside" the formation.
15:54 <wrtlprnft> 10****** won't show up, 11****** will
15:54 <spidey|sleep> joda
15:54 <philippeqc> so a formation has a size of itself, based on the number of players
15:54 <spidey|sleep> you know the rgb to get a dark orange?
15:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, 884400?
15:54 <wrtlprnft> might be more brownish tho
15:54 <spidey|sleep> the red blue green options
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15:55 <joda_bot> philippeqc: only for predefined formations
15:55 <philippeqc> but another formation could be like it, but just on a line, so no putting players behind the center.
15:55 <philippeqc> and another could be a wide one. just putting more space.
15:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: same thing, r=8, g=4, b=0
15:55 <spidey> thanks
15:55 <philippeqc> what would be a dynamic formation????
15:55 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, I'm back
15:55 <wrtlprnft> though it's very dark
15:55 <philippeqc> ooo, I think I get to your idea
15:55 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I guess I could even come up with a formular for all those, but not for place player's at special tatic points
15:56 <spidey> r 11 g 5 b 0
15:56 <spidey> that's a nice orange
15:56 <joda_bot> but not for "placing" player's at special
15:56 <philippeqc> dynamic formation is the team leader drawing lil arrows on a team plan, and the players sit on the arrow, like in (american) football
15:56 <philippeqc> then you need a size to limit where the leader can draw
15:56 <philippeqc> ok
15:57 <joda_bot> the formular is controlled by two parameters separation in x and separation in y
15:57 <joda_bot> philippeqc: ;)
15:58 * joda_bot feels bad for not bringing up this example before
15:58 <philippeqc> well, lets just imagin it REALLY dynamic, like the football example. So in that case, yes you need a size restriction. but at the same time, it can be like "behind the half line", like in most sport.
15:58 <philippeqc> rather than a simple expression (like a radius, or bounding box) around the point
15:58 <joda_bot> philippeqc: then you need a newer server version that supports spawn areas
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16:00 <spidey> http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3822/untitled5se.jpg
16:00 <spidey> O_o
16:00 <philippeqc> spawn area is "everybody pick himself in some area". football coach could be "engine dynamically read my drawing, and convert it to a bunch of ingame coordinate"
16:00 <joda_bot> hm, and the limited circle mode is not required for backwards compability so...
16:00 <joda_bot> philippeqc: ok, 1 define two areas
16:00 <joda_bot> ok, I
16:00 <philippeqc> spidey: nice pic
16:00 <philippeqc> spidey: nice cockpit
16:00 <spidey> thnx xD
16:01 <joda_bot> and then allow multiple players to join these
16:01 <joda_bot> then they can pick their position inside the area freely
16:01 <joda_bot> parameter I can think of which might be important : how many players max at this spawn point (at the same time)
16:01 <joda_bot> min distance between players inside the area
16:01 <philippeqc> football coach is "generate spawn formation by some dynamic input, be it a leader." it can be drawing (VERY complex) or a quick math equation, or something else.
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16:02 <joda_bot> philippeqc: yes, but limited to the spawn area for the team
16:02 <joda_bot> hm, this results in one spawn area for a team
16:03 <joda_bot> spawn point supports no formation
16:03 <joda_bot> ?
16:03 <philippeqc> one simple fix is to give each small area ownership of a player
16:03 <joda_bot> because you should have used a area then
16:03 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I'd like to be able to have one area for the whole team
16:03 <philippeqc> yes, that is another possibility
16:04 <joda_bot> philippeqc: if player's are in separated spawn areas, then a formation does not make sense
16:04 <joda_bot> as it's only useful if they are inside the same area ?
16:05 <joda_bot> that way you could make a smaller spawn area for the defenders at the back, and allow the rest of the team to pick their positions anywhere around the zone
16:05 <philippeqc> no no. have 4 square of 10x10 side by side. then have 3 more over it, overlapping 2 of the original squares. That is spawn areas for 7 palyers. free to be where they want, but withing some boundary for each player
16:06 <joda_bot> all player's inside the smaller spawn area are limited to that, and the leader can't assign a formation, that's the resposiblity of the "first player on the smaller spawn point ?"
16:06 <joda_bot> philippeqc: but that makes formation checking way too comples
16:07 <joda_bot> complex
16:07 <joda_bot> because you'd have to merge all shapes first
16:07 <joda_bot> while the other approach allows to just check the local spawn zone
16:07 <joda_bot> The formations might be adopted to span multiple spawn areas of a team if required
16:07 <philippeqc> hummm
16:08 <philippeqc> if we have totally free areas, and spawn for single players, then we have 0 checking to do.
16:08 <philippeqc> formations need some checking of sort. Either that it is an allowed pattern, or that they fit in an allowed location.
16:09 <joda_bot> so you'd allow a player to spawn right into enemy fortress ?
16:09 <philippeqc> how, I dropped formation TOTALLY in the first separation
16:09 <philippeqc> you start AT a spawn point, or ANYWHERE at a designated area
16:10 <joda_bot> sounds good to me
16:10 <philippeqc> think area is a big square in front of your zone.
16:10 <joda_bot> area is circle (because that's the easiest check) ;)
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my master server is accessible, too. :) It's log has important information in it now
16:10 <philippeqc> no support for formation what so ever. it is either rigid from the map (spawn point) or free for all (area)
16:11 <philippeqc> area is area. map described. (I'll have to code similar stuff for zone, so it wont be a prob)
16:11 <joda_bot> philippeqc: and for old maps, we convert the spawn points into "spawn areas" (which won't be checked) as the default formation is used
16:11 <philippeqc> Phase II, we add formations, and come up with some good idea for it.
16:12 <joda_bot> I guess based on having those areas (in your mind) we can just build on that
16:12 <philippeqc> joda_bot: What you really want is a third element. its a point with an area around it. Both are linked. The formation start from the point as its initial coordinate, but cant have elements outside.
16:13 <philippeqc> areas in my mind: cirlce will be first ;)
16:15 <joda_bot> Concept:
16:15 <joda_bot> 1) Setup Area
16:15 <joda_bot> 2) Generate Formation / Custom Positions (inside or outside)
16:15 <joda_bot> 3) remove all invalid points
16:15 <joda_bot> 4) spawn
16:15 <Vanhayes> Is anyone using Opera here?
16:15 <joda_bot> philippeqc: What about the question "How many player's are allowed to spawn on a spawn point?"
16:15 <philippeqc> interesting
16:16 <philippeqc> we already have 3 modes:
16:16 <philippeqc> 1) one
16:16 <joda_bot> Should we consider maxPlayer per "spawn instance" now ?
16:17 <philippeqc> 2) formation (such as wingman) (we wont make this go away, head will roll (ours) if we attempt that)
16:17 <philippeqc> 3) sequencial mode
16:17 <philippeqc> no, that is too game mode oriented
16:17 <philippeqc> it makes sence for one game mode, and not for the other.
16:18 <philippeqc> support it in the game mode definition.
16:21 <philippeqc> game mode configuration MIGHT be totally separate from map or MIGHT be from a css file detailing it for a map or a group of map.
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16:21 <joda_bot> yes
16:23 <joda_bot> with the concept above ... you can also spawn multiple player's on a point (if you treat the point as circle with radius 0)
16:23 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: thanks for your help
16:23 <ghableska> np
16:23 <joda_bot> e.g. one implementation for all spawn instances
16:25 * wrtlprnft make s a table
16:26 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, you use Opera dont you?
16:26 * ghableska watches with interest
16:26 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yes
16:26 <Vanhayes> Have you tried the new version?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i used the beta all the time :)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> so sure, i use the final too :)
16:27 <Vanhayes> lol
16:27 <Vanhayes> what is new in it?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, how do i grep a file for two things?
16:27 <philippeqc> joda_bot: yes
16:28 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: content blocker, site specific settings, widgets, lots i already forgot since i got used to it
16:28 <philippeqc> joda_bot: still dont know how you will allow players to select a location inside of the radius/area, but that sure will be interesting to follow
16:28 <Vanhayes> Site specific settings?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:28 <Vanhayes> what are those?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> so you can enable/disable js for some pages
16:28 <Vanhayes> ok
16:29 <wrtlprnft> for example
16:29 <joda_bot> philippeqc: just came up with an idea for that ;)
16:30 <Vanhayes> I like the widgets, espicially Pandora Radio
16:30 <wrtlprnft> i don't really use the widgets
16:30 <wrtlprnft> they're the feature i least care about
16:30 <Vanhayes> I just downloaded a bunch to see what they did
16:31 <Vanhayes> most are pretty useless but the radio is really good
16:31 <wrtlprnft> me too, but under unix alpha transparency doesn't work
16:31 <philippeqc> joda_bot: I feel we have reached a good solution for tonight
16:31 <wrtlprnft> the plotter one is nice
16:35 <Vanhayes> spidey did changing the <Gradient orientation="value"> to <Gradient orientation="vertical"> make a Big difference in your cockpit?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> it should look different
16:36 <joda_bot> joda_bot: just have to copy most of it to the wiki ;)
16:37 * philippeqc was heading to bed.
16:38 <joda_bot> ok :) we can still write it down
16:38 <joda_bot> i've got the log here
16:38 <philippeqc> I busted my buffer here
16:38 <joda_bot> ok :) we can still write it down later
16:38 <joda_bot> ;)
16:38 <philippeqc> ok
16:39 * ghableska waves a fist at gmail
16:40 <philippeqc> could you, in the mean time, try to do a minimal implementation of the "map id to game id". Just follow the order of elements, and associate to them the most ancient players of the team till you have them all.
16:41 <philippeqc> cya
16:41 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I interrupted working on some lose end for the discussion ... so I'll have to have to postpone it at least until the weekend
16:41 <philippeqc> np
16:41 <joda_bot> philippeqc: cu , and good work ;)
16:41 <philippeqc> no problem at all
16:41 <philippeqc> thanks
16:41 <philippeqc> cya probabli some time in the week end
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16:43 <Vanhayes> hmm I can t see any difference between leaveing it <Gradient orientation="value"> and <Gradient orientation="vertical">
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16:46 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, any luck?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: not yet, just ate supper and gotta go in 5 mins
16:46 <wrtlprnft> but i have the data extracted ;)
16:46 <ghableska> :D
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64491#64491
17:14 <wrtlprnft> i'm off now
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17:48 <manta> spidey: are you interesting in playing in the ladle?
17:51 <Vanhayes> #s
17:51 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a beef-witted mound of humid scum.
17:52 <Vanhayes> heh
17:53 <manta> ok he is most definitely NOT here
17:54 <manta> are you going to be around next weekend for the ladle?
17:54 <Vanhayes> me?
17:56 <manta> yes Vanhayes
17:56 <Vanhayes> maybe, it is canada's day tho so probly not
17:57 <manta> wraith squdron is going to be kicked out of the ladle if I can't find more than one player
17:58 <manta> canada's day, hmmm you have some funny priorities, patriotism before tron
17:58 <manta> ;)
17:58 <Vanhayes> ya that is what ppl keep saying heh
17:58 <Vanhayes> #canada
17:58 <armabot> 4
17:59 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
17:59 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
18:00 <Vanhayes> bah he is probly doing something on his cockpit or something
18:00 <manta> ok, well my desperate offer goes for anyone, lol
18:04 <joda_bot> manta: Why not just ask CT, LOL and perhaps SP for those player's that are unlikely to play (because they have too many?)
18:05 <joda_bot> Not sure if all on the list are really available though
18:05 <Vanhayes> ya I think lol has 20 some O_o
18:07 <Vanhayes> #list alias
18:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (4 more messages)
18:08 <Vanhayes> ack
18:08 <Vanhayes> #more
18:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (3 more messages)
18:08 <Vanhayes> omg
18:08 <Vanhayes> #more
18:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, (2 more messages)
18:11 <Vanhayes> #more
18:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, s, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, (1 more message)
18:11 <Vanhayes> #more
18:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
18:13 <manta> you could be right no way a 20 player team can all get on the grid at the same time, sorry, for delay, I'm walking in and out
18:14 <Vanhayes> ya If it is important ill say your name manta
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18:40 <Vanhayes> #help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:40 <Vanhayes> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:40 <Vanhayes> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
18:41 <Vanhayes> #help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:41 <Vanhayes> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
18:41 <Vanhayes> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
18:41 <Vanhayes> bah
18:48 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: what does that do?
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19:01 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:01 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:02 <Vanhayes> #help armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
19:02 <Vanhayes> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:
19:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
19:02 <ghableska> um
19:02 <Vanhayes> grr
19:03 <ghableska> #armabot
19:03 <armabot> ghableska: Naturally.
19:03 <ghableska> hehe
19:04 <Vanhayes> #list alias
19:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (4 more messages)
19:05 <Vanhayes> #more
19:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (3 more messages)
19:05 <Vanhayes> #more
19:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, (2 more messages)
19:05 <ghableska> heh
19:05 <Vanhayes> I want ot know what that huge one does
19:05 <Vanhayes> to*
19:05 <ghableska> ?
19:05 <Vanhayes> it keeps getting bigger
19:06 <ghableska> what ddddddddddddddddddddddd
19:06 <ghableska> wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
19:06 <ghableska> stuppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppid keyboard
19:06 <Vanhayes> lol
19:06 <ghableska> grrr
19:07 <ghableska> i can;t type
19:07 <Vanhayes> omg this pandora radio thing required a US zipcode so I put in 12345 and it worked
19:07 <Vanhayes> hahaha
19:07 <ghableska> ittttttttttttttttttttttt keeps on frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzning
19:07 <Vanhayes> what's wrong?
19:07 <ghableska> dunno
19:07 <ghableska> wireless keyboaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard, so maybe interferencccccccccccccccce
19:07 <Vanhayes> maybe get a new keyboard?
19:07 <ghableska> lol
19:07 <Vanhayes> heh ya
19:07 <ghableska> I wish
19:08 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
19:08 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
19:08 <ghableska> #poke keyboard
19:08 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
19:08 <Vanhayes> lol
19:08 <ghableska> :P
19:08 <ghableska> #insult Microsoft keyboard
19:08 <armabot> Microsoft keyboard - You are nothing but a villainous bag of bawdy bladders.
19:08 <ghableska> ok, that's wierd
19:08 <ghableska> *weird
19:08 <ghableska> now it's working fine
19:08 <ghableska> no freezes
19:08 <ghableska> o_O
19:08 <ghableska> lol, 12345
19:09 <Vanhayes> why do you have a wireless keyboard btw?
19:09 <ghableska> got it as a gift :-/
19:09 <Vanhayes> heh nice
19:09 <ghableska> it's quite nice when it actually works though
19:09 <ghableska> lol
19:09 <ghableska> comfy to use
19:09 <ghableska> nice soft wristpad
19:10 <ghableska> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4861&start=15 hmm, it's a weird bug
19:10 <ghableska> the character one
19:11 <Vanhayes> Gah opera hates armagetron forums it is so slow
19:11 <ghableska> is opera good?
19:11 <ghableska> I've never used it before
19:11 <ghableska> I'm a firefox person, lol
19:11 <Vanhayes> I like it, It is better than IE anyway
19:12 <ghableska> yeah, IE sucks
19:12 <ghableska> hmm, no one's on bugfarm
19:12 <ghableska> o_O
19:12 <Vanhayes> I like it better than firefox too actually, tho it isnt that good with plugins
19:12 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (8 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (6 players) || Speed and Rubber (only for diehards) (5 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (3 players) || basementunderground.net (3 players) || race server (random maps, disable moviepack) (2 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
19:12 <ghableska> surprising
19:12 <ghableska> er
19:12 <Vanhayes> #more
19:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (1 players) || Bugfarm Sumo (1 players) || LOL Clan Server {Sumo} (0 players) || -{*tRi*}- Server (0 players) || The Mutiny~FoC~ (0 players)
19:12 <Vanhayes> old
19:12 <Vanhayes> I'm guessing
19:13 <ghableska> yeah
19:13 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
19:13 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
19:13 <Vanhayes> heh
19:13 <ghableska> o_O
19:13 <ghableska> nice
19:13 <Vanhayes> How long did it take you and wrtl to find all those characters?
19:14 <manta> hey, ghableska want to play for a leet team in the ladle next weekend?
19:14 <Vanhayes> lol
19:14 <ghableska> well, I'm not even sure whether I can make it
19:14 <ghableska> and I'm already with AW
19:14 <ghableska> @Vanhayes, maybe 20 minutes or so
19:14 <ghableska> it was boring, heh
19:15 <Vanhayes> ya, probly.I forgot wrtl had that race server up, i havent played a race game in a long time
19:15 <ghableska> heh
19:16 <ghableska> bf is the only server I play on these days...
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ghableska what version of windows did you guys use to test?
19:16 <manta> haven't really got into racing, do you 2 like that?
19:16 <ghableska> I'm using XP
19:16 * Lucifer_arma enjoys a good race
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> and the server(s) were mostly(all) linux?
19:16 <ghableska> um
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> side note: wrtlprnft's race server is pretty easy if you use the glance forward key in 0.3.0_alphawhatever
19:17 <manta> hmmmm, I was good at running into things
19:17 <Vanhayes> lol
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> you've always been good at that :P
19:17 <ghableska> :P
19:18 <manta> hmmmph, lol
19:18 <Vanhayes> I hadnt played in a while I didnt realize he added mines
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> heh, my wife was moving out of the way for me last night and she backed into the corner of a wall, and I said (wait for it)
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> Watch out for that wall!
19:18 <ghableska> lol
19:18 <manta> ROFL, you get smacked?
19:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, kissed. :) she's a sweet girl.
19:19 <manta> awwww
19:19 <Lucifer_arma> here's a puzzle for you
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> on the way from school to home, I drive through this intersection with buildings (gas stations, grocery store) on 3 corners, and on the 4th corner there's a vacant lot
19:20 <Luke-Jr> so you play AA in it IRL?
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> on the corner with the vacant lot is the light post for the intersection, a big light post, one of those ones that's 3-ft in diameter at the base, right?
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> so this one day, there was a car that was smashed against the lightpost, right?
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> but it was facing the intersection! The back of it was in the vacant lot! How the hell did they do that?
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> (ems and fire trucks all around, of course)
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> and it hit so hard the front had crumbled all the way back to the firewall, so it wasn't a slow collision, probably someone got hurt
19:21 <manta> puling out of the parking lot?
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> vacant lot
19:22 <Lucifer_arma> er, field with grass, backed by forest
19:22 <manta> ok
19:22 <Lucifer_arma> no driveways into the field, either
19:22 <Lucifer_arma> and it wasn't a 4x4, it was a little japanese sedan
19:23 <manta> no time travle involved?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ghableska it looks like something with unicode, like maybe we need to link to a different library or something
19:23 <ghableska> oh
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> manta: I don't know, time travel is a serious possibility. :) 88 mph!
19:23 <Vanhayes> lol
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> does it make sense to have an arena with an equilateral triangle boundary but is a regular axes arena?
19:26 <manta> well you could lose the "don't hug the wall" programed chat
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> the problem I'm having is orienting the spawn points
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> it's to be a 3-team fortress game, right?
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> they can't point to the center because it's a regular axes arena, they wouldn't point at each other
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> but they could point approximately towards each other if I rotated the triangle a bit, and you're right, you couldn't grind the grid wall
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> Thn I could put breaks in the "boundary" and make neat little side mazes and go ahead and round it to a square
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's the direction I'll go, that sounds good to me :)
19:29 * Lucifer_arma goes to find some graph paper
19:30 * manta thinks that dude has one good head on those shoulders
19:30 * ghableska agrees :)
19:31 <manta> 89.8 in here :(
19:32 * Lucifer_arma offers manta a fan
19:32 * manta gratefully turns said fan on computer
19:33 <Vanhayes> er what is 89.8 in celcius?
19:34 <manta> hot
19:34 <ghableska> 32.111111111111114
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 89.8 degrees F in Celcius
19:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 89.8 F in C
19:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 89.8 degrees Fahrenheit = 32.1111111 degrees Celsius
19:35 <ghableska> :P
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's only 80 in here :)
19:36 <Vanhayes> hmm
19:36 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 250/14
19:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 250 / 14 = 17.8571429
19:36 <manta> #weather 93644
19:36 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
19:36 <Vanhayes> er no more weather?
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> #load weather
19:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
19:37 <Vanhayes> lol
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> #load weather
19:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: No plugin named "weather" exists.
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to unzip the plugins package to get that one
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> the server's being upgraded big time right now, some previous functionality hasn't yet been restored :)
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> (like my game server)
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> I got my master server back up, though, if you hadn't noticed.
19:38 <manta> ok, I'm off to the field day planning meeting, cu (WS) Manta
19:38 <Vanhayes> o ya Lucifer_arma why is that one alias armabot//////////////////////////////////: so long, and what does it do?
19:38 <Vanhayes> cya manta
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> have fun manta
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: beats me
19:38 <ghableska> cu
19:39 <manta> will do, don't solve all the problems while I'm away
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19:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 250/14 * 11
19:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (250 / 14) * 11 = 196.428571
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> #g (375-125)^2 + (125-250)^2
19:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((375 - 125)^2) + ((125 - 250)^2) = 78,125
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> #g 196.4^2
19:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 196.4^2 = 38,572.96
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g (21-14)^2 + (7-14)^2
19:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((21 - 14)^2) + ((7 - 14)^2) = 98
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 11^2
19:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 11^2 = 121
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19:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 14^2
19:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 14^2 = 196
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 14^2 + 49
19:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (14^2) + 49 = 245
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 121 - (14^2 + 49)
19:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 121 - ((14^2) + 49) = -124
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g (14^2 + 49) - 121
19:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ((14^2) + 49) - 121 = 124
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 31-4
19:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 31 - 4 = 27
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 28&2
19:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 28^2
19:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 28^2 = 784
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4*124
19:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4 * 124 = 496
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 784 - 4*124
19:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 784 - (4 * 124) = 288
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g sqrt(288)/2
19:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sqrt(288) / 2 = 8.48528137
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20:23 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes_
20:23 <Vanhayes_> hmm when did u come back in?
20:24 <ghableska> around 30 minutes ago...
20:24 <Vanhayes_> O didnt see
20:24 <Vanhayes_> ack Vanhayes_ !!!
20:25 <Vanhayes_> hmm my connection must have dropped
20:25 <ghableska> heh
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20:38 <Vanhayes> ghableska its my connection, i get disconnected for like 10 seconds then I reconnect, but I have to wait till Vanhayes times out
20:39 <ghableska> o_O
20:39 <Vanhayes> usually doesnt take that long
20:39 <Vanhayes> #list
20:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
20:44 <Vanhayes> #q
20:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
20:47 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
20:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120 degrees in radian
20:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 120 degrees = 2.0943951 radian
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> noooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted something with a pi in it!
20:52 <Vanhayes> #g pi
20:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: pi = 3.14159265
20:52 <Vanhayes> heh
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5pi/6 radians in degrees
20:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (5 * pi) / (6 radians) = 150 degrees
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2pi/3 radians in degrees
20:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (2 * pi) / (3 radians) = 120 degrees
20:55 * Lucifer_arma doesn't remember how to convert polar coordinates to cartesian coordinates :(
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> good thing I kept my trig notes :)
20:57 <ghableska> brb, getting too warm
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20:59 <Vanhayes> #s
20:59 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rump-fed heap of half-faced dung.
21:01 <Vanhayes> gah I'm calling it a night, cya
21:01 <Vanhayes> #night
21:01 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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21:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 17.857*11 + 250
21:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (17.85700 * 11) + 250 = 446.42700
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> #g 17.857*(-11/2) + 250
21:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (17.85700 * (-11 / 2)) + 250 = 151.7865
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> #g 17.857*( (11 * sqrt(3) )/2) + 250
21:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (17.85700 * ((11 * sqrt(3)) / 2)) + 250 = 420.110772
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> #g 17.857*( (-11 * sqrt(3) )/2) + 250
21:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (17.85700 * ((-11 * sqrt(3)) / 2)) + 250 = 79.889228
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> #g (11 * sqrt(3) )/2
21:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (11 * sqrt(3)) / 2 = 9.52627944
21:12 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4970 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (20 files in 3 dirs): moving winlibs related files (CB projects and DirectX headers) to winlibs
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21:29 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, is the embedded web server in 0.3.0 disabled?
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, stupid me just didn't have the damn thing running
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21:45 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4971 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/ (81 files in 10 dirs): moving winlibs related files (CB projects and DirectX headers) to winlibs
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21:46 <ghableska> HI spidey
21:47 <spidey> 'ello
21:48 <ghableska> #fluffy
21:48 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
21:48 <spidey> #vanhayes
21:48 <armabot> spidey thinks vanhayes is gay,because vanhayes You are nothing but a currish coagulation of malt-wormy snot.
21:48 <ghableska> haha
21:48 <ghableska> #ghableska
21:48 <spidey> O_o
21:48 <ghableska> O_O
21:48 <spidey> do the hayes one
21:48 <ghableska> #vanhayes
21:48 <armabot> ghableska thinks vanhayes is gay,because vanhayes You are nothing but a flap-mouthed plate of halfbaked carpet.
21:49 <ghableska> :D
21:49 <spidey> lol
21:49 <spidey> man,i feel awesome
21:49 <ghableska> why?
21:49 <spidey> i got blazed today O_o
21:49 <wrtlprnft> back
21:49 <wrtlprnft> woot new commits :)
21:50 <ghableska> wb wrtlprnft
21:50 <wrtlprnft> oh yeah, i should post my camera settings somewhere
21:50 <wrtlprnft> for all the people who hate the new camera
21:50 <ghableska> ?
21:50 <spidey> wrtl see my cockpit thingy ? :D
21:50 <ghableska> what camera?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> not yet, just looking at the wiki changes first
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: u use a custom cam with 0 turning speed
21:51 <ghableska> ok
21:51 <wrtlprnft> that means the glances are permanent and the camera won't turn unless i tell it to
21:51 <spidey> mmmm i only have a imageshack link O_o
21:51 <wrtlprnft> very handy for defending, i tell you. and raceserver, of course
21:52 <spidey> if you don't have numlock on
21:52 <spidey> the left glance turns legt
21:52 <spidey> left
21:52 <spidey> and the right glance turns right
21:53 <wrtlprnft> what are your glances bound to?
21:53 <spidey> [4] and [6]
21:53 <spidey> default
21:53 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:53 <wrtlprnft> default is left, right, back, forward cursor
21:54 <spidey> no
21:54 <spidey> well yes
21:54 <spidey> but
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21:54 <spidey> there's alot of keys bound
21:54 <spidey> you take updown left right and back away
21:54 <spidey> and it leave you with the numpad
21:54 <spidey> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6886/untitled7eh1.jpg O_o
21:55 <wrtlprnft> nice :)
21:55 <spidey> ;D
21:55 <spidey> i wanted those numbers centered O_o
21:55 * wrtlprnft remembers not to say he's back in IRC until he has finished everything else
21:56 <spidey> lol
21:56 <wrtlprnft> actually, now that i think about it, i could add centering right now without a lot of overhead
21:56 <spidey> :/
21:56 <wrtlprnft> remind me in 10 minutes
21:56 <spidey> i done made another gauge for it :(
21:57 <wrtlprnft> centering would still be handy for my classic cockpit
21:57 <spidey> k
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then i could make the fastest thingy centered under the speed gauge
21:57 <spidey> wrtl
21:57 <spidey> i can't get the speed bar and pings lined up in the center
21:58 <spidey> i try one setting it's to far right
21:58 <spidey> the other's to far left
21:58 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:58 <wrtlprnft> you can position it as exactly as you want
21:59 <wrtlprnft> but if the number of digits for the ping changes it'll move
22:00 <wrtlprnft> you could set the minwidth to 6 and fill to " " to get a constant width
22:01 <spidey> <Position x="-0.01" y="-.88" />
22:01 <spidey> what would make it go further left
22:01 <spidey> without to much further
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22:01 <ghableska> re
22:01 <spidey> .001 ?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> <Position x="-0.012" y="-.88" />
22:02 * wrtlprnft wonders if spidey ever heard about decimal notation of numbers
22:02 <spidey> not really
22:03 <wrtlprnft> you know, you could have x="-010000001" if you wanted
22:03 <wrtlprnft> although that would translate to far less than one pixel
22:04 <spidey> it's not moving O_o
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 1/400
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 / 400 = 0.0025
22:05 <wrtlprnft> 0.0025 is one pixel at your resolution
22:05 <spidey> i'm at 800x600
22:05 <wrtlprnft> so indeed you may have to move it to x="-0.015" to get it two pixels to the left
22:05 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yes, but the measure goes from -1 to 1
22:06 <wrtlprnft> so, it's really 2*1/800
22:06 <spidey> ah
22:06 <wrtlprnft> but i simplified the fraction in my head
22:08 <spidey> ahhh
22:08 <spidey> -0.070
22:08 <spidey> that's about right
22:08 <wrtlprnft> uh, now you confused me
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #g .06*400
22:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: .06 * 400 = 24
22:09 <wrtlprnft> that's 24 pixels
22:10 <spidey> it got it right
22:10 <wrtlprnft> weird
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> someone come to my server, it's noob city there
22:10 <wrtlprnft> maybe you wanted it somewhere else than i thought you did
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> swamplords teams
22:17 <spidey> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/209/untitled6pq1.jpg i think i'm done O_o
22:20 <ghableska> going to bed, good night
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22:20 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4972 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/LIBRARIES.txt: updated libraries
22:36 <spidey> O_o
22:36 <spidey> your bot kicked me O_o
22:36 <spidey> bot/server
22:37 <spidey> i get a 404
22:37 <wrtlprnft> haha invalid map file
22:37 <wrtlprnft> *path
22:37 <wrtlprnft> it didn't kick me, i had it cached
22:38 <wrtlprnft> and the server did, too, it seems
22:38 <wrtlprnft> he probably changed RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER instead of RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, ummmm
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmm
22:41 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4973 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/win32/code_blocks/ (10 files): moving winlibs related files (CB projects and DirectX headers) to winlibs
22:41 <wrtlprnft> broken again...
22:41 <wrtlprnft> or, my client froze
22:41 <wrtlprnft> no clue what it's doing
22:42 <wrtlprnft> omg
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> haha, forgot to forward the port
22:42 <wrtlprnft> that an error for all?
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
22:42 <wrtlprnft> so no error in tab completion? good
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's sure taking a long time to download
22:43 <wrtlprnft> the last thing it did before hanging was tab completion, so i was already fearing...
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> can you connect to my server now? I seem to be unable to, my client's locked
22:44 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r4974 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: removed some annoying tab completion tab output i forgot to delete
22:44 <wrtlprnft> just had to fix that ;)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: doesn't even appear on the list...
22:45 <wrtlprnft> omg and it has a typo
22:46 * wrtlprnft should doublecheck his commit messages
22:46 <wrtlprnft> removed some annoying tab completion DEBUG output i forgot to delete
22:47 <spidey> anyone know how to install the dedicated server on a mac? O_o
22:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i can custom connect, but it does a 404
22:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 1) install linux on the mac 2) install a dedicated arma server on it
22:48 <spidey> no
22:48 <spidey> that's not a option
22:49 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:49 * wrtlprnft looks around if nemo or any mac os fanatic is around
22:49 <wrtlprnft> too bad, mac os sucks :P
22:50 <spidey> ahahh
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22:56 <Your_mom_arma> what did you do luci, you managed to bring down my entire computer
22:57 <spidey> pwn
22:57 <Your_mom_arma> heh
22:57 <spidey> :p
22:58 <spidey> mom,you know anything about mac? O_o
22:58 <Your_mom_arma> the arma player?
22:59 <spidey> no
22:59 <spidey> mac osx
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> z little
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> a
23:02 <spidey> know how to extract a .dmg?
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> probobly need a program, i have one for windows (i think)but that wont help you
23:09 <spidey> mmm
23:13 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4975 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/directx/: moving winlibs related files (CB projects and DirectX headers) to winlibs
23:20 <spidey> Eustace:~ lull$ /Volumes/Armagetron\ Advanced\ Dedicated/Armagetron\ Advanced\ Dedicated/armagetronad-dedicated; exit
23:20 <spidey> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in /Users/lee/armagetronad-0.2.8.2/MacOS/../src/tools/tLocale.cpp:150 :
23:20 <spidey> Language British English not found.
23:20 <spidey> Please send a Bug report!
23:20 <spidey> O_o
23:21 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:21 <wrtlprnft> means your language dir is missing
23:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: don't forget to put CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK in
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> what're the damn score settings? :(
23:27 <Your_mom_arma> bug, ai team spawns in different area
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> in fortress at least, its odd
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> fortress_survive_win
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> damn. fortress_survive_win isn't showing up in --doc
23:32 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:33 <wrtlprnft> uh, looks like --doc doesn't show undocumented settings anymore
23:33 <wrtlprnft> that sucks, --doc should give you a COMPLETE list
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://armagetronad.davefancella.com:4550/resource/
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #m z-man any chance we can give --doc a --verbose option so it also shows undocumented settings?
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl did you find out what was wrong with the map?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> i've seen more interesting directory listings
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: not yet
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> which map? the one we were playing?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> second, that server is supposed to have an admin URI, right?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> er i ment cockpit
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> my server?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> the embedded server
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it does. I'ts uhhh, something of a risk for me to open it up and actually use it
23:36 * wrtlprnft goes find out what that uri actually is
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> /admin/actions/doconsole
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> then it's console_command=value
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> uri-encoded, of course
23:38 * Lucifer_arma considers disbling it and recompiling his server
23:40 <wrtlprnft> woot it worked! cycle_rubber is 6 now :P
23:40 * wrtlprnft changes it back
23:40 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: what about the AI now? the arena is too big, yes, but everything seems to be fine...
23:41 <wrtlprnft> uh, can't change it back, the web server is down
23:42 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r4976 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/ui/uWebinterface.cpp: Disabled admin uri for embedded web server - closing security hole for now.
23:43 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:43 <wrtlprnft> too bad, i just wanted to do an experiment with cycle_rubber_wall_shrink on there :(
23:44 <wrtlprnft> #g 5/20
23:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 5 / 20 = 0.25
23:44 <wrtlprnft> #g 200/5
23:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 200 / 5 = 40
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, updated my server to the fixed revision :)
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> that little hole started to really bug me
23:48 <wrtlprnft> hmmyeah, it needs authentification
23:48 <wrtlprnft> maybe the ADMIN_PASS as extra parameter?
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd supports authentication, what I don't know is if it works on callbacks
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> it also supports templates, so if someone were to design some really nice page templates, we can build a really nice admin interface
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i could fool around with it a bit
23:50 <wrtlprnft> if i can have callbacks i could make a nice admin interface, sure
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> it supports cgi, too
23:51 <wrtlprnft> nah, i'll do it in c++
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, for callbacks just follow the model of what's there, at least as far as understanding how shttpd works
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i won't do it in python, shellscript is ugly and php is another dependency
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to redesign the uWebInterface class, knock yourself out. What's there is really more of a proof-of-concept than anything else :)
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> there are advantages to having our core web interface in c++....
23:52 <wrtlprnft> uh, and how exactly do i send an actual text reply?
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, there's a function you have to call to give it text
23:52 <wrtlprnft> ah, really, i would have never guessed that
23:53 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd_template This is for generating pages from template files.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> * The variable argument list is a NULL-terminated
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> * list of keyword/substitution pairs.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> check shttpd.h in thirdparty :)
23:53 <wrtlprnft> there's some commented out text
23:53 <wrtlprnft> why can't i write my own functions for that?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> they would be c++, not some plainC stuff
23:54 <Luke-Jr> yay plainC
23:54 <wrtlprnft> go away
23:54 <Luke-Jr> u
23:56 <wrtlprnft> but it looks like that function is bearable with
23:56 <wrtlprnft> though i'd rely on CSS anyways, so there shouldn't be a need to change the template
23:58 <Luke-Jr> CSS can't do everything ;)
23:58 <wrtlprnft> what resources does the server serve anyways? just included ones?
23:58 <Luke-Jr> otherwise you'd be using it for cockpits
23:58 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, for HTML it can do a fair bit
23:58 <Luke-Jr> yes, quite a bit
23:58 <Luke-Jr> but not everything
23:59 <wrtlprnft> and with a textbrowser i prefer no formatting (but appropiate tags) over table chaos
Log from 2006-06-23:
--- Day changed Fri Jun 23 2006
00:00 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4977 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/directx/include/: moving winlibs related files (CB projects and DirectX headers) to winlibs
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the resource callback points to included
00:01 <wrtlprnft> and only the system- wide included?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, only the system-wide included
00:02 <wrtlprnft> boring...
00:02 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4978 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/win32/code_blocks/x: removing dummy file created during fixing inconsistency
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> we can change it, but it's setup to work that way. We should probably make it a config item
00:02 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1 seems to be awake early
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 7:00
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: best thing would be to merge all four into one tree ;)
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: now you're forcing me to update my servers in the middle of the night?
00:04 <wrtlprnft> if i have a bunch of merge conflicts sittin here?
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> you found the hole
00:04 <wrtlprnft> and if the change isn't even in the trunk=
00:04 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> it'll get merged back to the trunk when I merge the 0.3.0 branch
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> which will hopefully be soon, since we should be about ready to release 0.3.0, right?
00:04 <wrtlprnft> i thought z-man did that usually
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> he does, but I figured that was usually because he managed the release.
00:05 <wrtlprnft> you're an admin, do what you want ;)
00:05 <wrtlprnft> I'm just not doing it since i dunno how :P
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'd forgotten I'd sent the shttpd guy some code :)
00:06 * Lucifer_arma notices his name on the shttpd page under Acknowledgements
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> nifty luci
00:08 <wrtlprnft> anyways, good night
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
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00:08 * wrtlprnft is still thinking about that "music :" bug, it'll probably cause nightmares
00:11 * wrtlprnft has the string "music :" appear in his dreams
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00:18 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4979 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/SDL/src/main/win32/SDL_win32_main.c: debug mode now opens a console which displays stdout etc.
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00:47 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: check the forums, nasty hole in 0.3 :(
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> *0.3.0
00:48 <z-man> So, new alpha build ASAP?
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, it only affects servers, embedded web server isn't yet working with the client, afaik
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> but we're ready for a new alpha build whenever you're ready for it :)
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm ready to release, but I'd like to run a new build by Your_mom_arma and see if his crash is gone
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've tested the fix to the console exploit in the embedded webserver and it works, it's running on my server right now
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> I just commented out the line that registered the guilty callback :)
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> now how do I get www-root into the binrelocate setup?
00:59 <z-man> Dunno, make it use tDirectories to find its data?
00:59 <z-man> That's what everything else does.
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> it already does, that's where I"m confused
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I've got it returning the installed path, but I want it to run from the source directory
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01:03 <z-man> I'll go and check.
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01:06 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4980 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/ui/uMenu.cpp: beautified and fixed crash bug
01:08 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r4981 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added password file to web server and set /admin to be protected.
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's what I've got so far
01:09 * Lucifer_arma might grow to like this commit thing
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4982 /armagetronad/trunk/ (217 files in 20 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4967 to 4980:
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: r4980 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 08:06:28 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: beautified and fixed crash bug
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: r4979 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 07:18:35 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:21 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4983 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/python.bat: never beautify batch files with astyle :)
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4984 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: updated windows version generation
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> #message guru3 heads up, spam on the forums again http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64571#64571 possibly here http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=62471#62471
01:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:32 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4985 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/makedist.bat: removed dead lines and makedist does not copy doc source files
01:34 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4986 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/network/nSocket.cpp: added comments to nSocket.cpp
01:35 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4987 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/tron/gAIBase.cpp: helpful comments
01:41 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r4988 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Some minor work on web interface, setting it up for real interaction. :)
01:44 <z-man> Gee, you're committing faster than I can merge :)
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4989 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/config/settings_visual.cfg: joda.bot's grid color suggestion
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4990 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4980 to 4984:
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01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: r4984 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 08:28:15 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: updated windows version generation
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: r4983 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 08:21:44 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:47 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4991 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/batch/make/version: fixed comment typo
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4992 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4984 to 4990:
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01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: r4989 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 08:47:21 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: joda.bot's grid color suggestion
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01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: r4988 | davidfancella | 2006-06-23 08:41:37 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
01:50 * z-man stops merging after the next one for now
01:50 * Lucifer_arma is done committing
01:50 * Lucifer_arma is sleepy
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4993 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/make/version:
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4990 to 4992:
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: r4991 | yarrt | 2006-06-23 08:48:08 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 1 line
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: fixed comment typo
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01:50 <Lucifer_arma> but I changed my fix to be password protecting the /admin directory :)
01:51 <z-man> cool
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft was interested in fooling with the web interface, so I thought I might take care of a couple of loose ends from when I lst fooled with it so he could actually do something productive if he wanted :)
01:52 * Lucifer_arma got his game server running and decided to use the embedded web server to serve up the map for it
01:55 <Your_mom_arma> map doesn't load for me :-/
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> ? on my server?
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I might have screwed up configuring it, heh
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> server's crashing
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to fool with it tomorrow, no gdb installed on the server
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04:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4994 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed clientside phasing bug that is fatal when playing on pre-0.2.7.1 servers. The bug was caused by the bugfix for enemy cycles getting stuck after a turn.
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04:53 <guru3> how are we already at 4994 ><
04:56 <guru3> http://www.linux-watch.com/files/misc/softwarewars.jpg
05:13 <Luke-Jr> http://cia.navi.cx/
05:13 <Luke-Jr> we're on top today =p
05:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.kefk.net/Linux/MS-Windows/Software-Wars/index.asp
06:44 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
06:44 <spidey> some people should be banned from the internet :/
06:45 <guru3> Luke-Jr: we've been beaten out now
06:45 <guru3> by wine, gnome, freebsd, gentoo, and kde (among other things)
06:46 <spidey> argh
06:46 <spidey> i should change my ip,but i'm to lazy right now
06:47 <spidey> people are starting to get kick-happy in just about every server now
06:47 <guru3> lolk
06:48 <spidey> i got kicked cause the dumbass defender was to busy bitching about stuff that wasn't happening and lost the zone,so i went to help get it back,he dies and starts a poll saying it was a tk
06:48 <spidey> like wtf man
06:59 <spidey> uh huh
06:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft ?
06:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, font_type 1 makes the menu go crazy and flicker at 800x600 res
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08:21 <SD_away> heh, takes forever for messages to go through... /me is away
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08:57 <wrtlprnft> spidey: uh, then don't use FONT_TYPE 1, it is the slowest one anyways
09:00 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, what is the console command to get the font that ghab had?
09:00 <Vanhayes> I had it before but since I reinstalled it it is gone
09:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: FONT_FILE font.ttf
09:01 <Vanhayes> thx
09:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: actually you can put anny ttf font file into textures/ and use that
09:01 <Vanhayes> cool
09:02 <wrtlprnft> there's some dir in the control centre under windows that contains all your fonts
09:02 <wrtlprnft> just copy one of those over
09:03 <Vanhayes> Ya I know where it is I think, I'd just have to find one I like
09:03 * wrtlprnft hopes Vanhayes won't choose comic sans ms
09:04 <Vanhayes> heh nah, that would look weird in tron
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09:14 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft for some reason I can see the ? at the start of someones name now...
09:15 <Vanhayes> er the upside down ! i mean
09:17 <wrtlprnft> err
09:17 <wrtlprnft> what server?
09:18 <Vanhayes> it was on Bugfarm, he left though
09:18 <Vanhayes> Bugfarm fort
09:19 <wrtlprnft> sec, i'm joining
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09:41 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/69867
09:41 <wrtlprnft> someone see a pattern there?
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10:05 <wrtlprnft> why is the svn checkout on my server missing the boost stuff?
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10:32 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah
10:32 <Vanhayes> ?
10:32 <wrtlprnft> BUG configure doesn't check correctly if boost is installed
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10:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell phil* configure doesn't check correctly if boost is installed, at least on the dedicated server.
10:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:33 <wrtlprnft> grr that just took me an hour to find out
10:34 <wrtlprnft> #list later
10:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: notes and tell
10:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually, is there any sense uWebinterface is a class with just static functions? A namespace would be better IMHO
10:38 <wrtlprnft> s/sense/reason
10:38 * wrtlprnft slaps his english
10:46 <wrtlprnft> wow. my server is taking over 5 minutes now to compile one single file
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10:47 <wrtlprnft> #u
10:47 <armabot> spidey: Unable to download feed.
10:47 <wrtlprnft> wtf
10:48 <wrtlprnft> #u
10:49 <armabot> spidey: Unable to download feed.
10:49 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php
10:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 17:48:55 up 62 days, 17:54, 5 users, load average: 3.77, 4.33, 3.18
10:49 <wrtlprnft> #help uptime
10:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (uptime <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo spidey: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php]".
10:49 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
10:49 <armabot> spidey: 17:49:20 up 62 days, 17:54, 5 users, load average: 3.60, 4.24, 3.18
10:49 <wrtlprnft> ah, there we go
10:50 <wrtlprnft> #u
10:51 <wrtlprnft> #help u
10:51 <armabot> spidey: 17:50:28 up 62 days, 17:55, 5 users, load average: 4.88, 4.47, 3.33
10:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (u <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "uptime $*".
10:51 <wrtlprnft> maybe my server was just so busy it refused to serve the feed...
10:53 <wrtlprnft> there's little more than 150MB of memory on my server left, and that's swap memory :(
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11:18 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
11:18 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
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11:58 <Self_Destructo> umm, can anyone here send me the SVN update in a zip file?
12:00 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:00 <wrtlprnft> you can download the most current svn code without having any special access
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12:01 <Vanhayes> s
12:01 <Vanhayes> s
12:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:01 <Vanhayes> hmm
12:01 <wrtlprnft> s
12:01 <wrtlprnft> s
12:01 <Vanhayes> #s
12:01 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a dankish tongueful of impure pond.
12:01 <wrtlprnft> #help s
12:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "insult spidey".
12:01 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:01 <Vanhayes> heh
12:02 <wrtlprnft> #uz
12:02 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:02 <armabot> spidey: 19:01:31 up 62 days, 19:06, 5 users, load average: 2.13, 2.89, 3.62
12:03 <Vanhayes> #poke spider_
12:03 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
12:03 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft, but I can't get setup on this computer to do it, my computer is offline
12:03 <wrtlprnft> ah, second
12:03 <Self_Destructo> I guess I'll need _winlibs too
12:03 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: you want 0.3.0 or the trunk?
12:03 <Self_Destructo> and w/e else is a windows requirement
12:04 <Self_Destructo> hrm
12:04 <Self_Destructo> 0.3.0, if the cockpit is going to be in it
12:04 <wrtlprnft> it is
12:04 <Self_Destructo> ok
12:05 <Self_Destructo> that's the main thing I am working on for now
12:05 <Self_Destructo> what does trunk have that 0.3.0 doesn't have?
12:05 <wrtlprnft> some things z-man added to 0.2.8
12:06 <wrtlprnft> mostly bugfixes and small features
12:06 <wrtlprnft> i'll just put both into it...
12:06 <Self_Destructo> ok, sounds good
12:07 <Self_Destructo> #notes
12:07 <armabot> Self_Destructo: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, phil, and phil*.
12:07 <Self_Destructo> $randomnick?
12:07 <wrtlprnft> mistake when creating an alias
12:07 <Self_Destructo> ah
12:07 <wrtlprnft> and since you can't rename yourself to $randomnick...
12:08 <Self_Destructo> yeah
12:08 <wrtlprnft> ackack
12:08 <wrtlprnft> gah, checked out into the wrong dir
12:09 <Self_Destructo> hehe
12:10 <Self_Destructo> i'm thinking about writing a php-mysql script for organizing tournaments
12:10 <Self_Destructo> i'm kinda stuck on how to do it
12:10 <wrtlprnft> what about finishing that dtd? ;)
12:11 <Self_Destructo> :p
12:11 <Self_Destructo> i got time, I'll think about it when I get bored with html
12:11 <wrtlprnft> css!
12:11 <Self_Destructo> (which has been frequent here lately)
12:12 <Self_Destructo> heh, currently, I'm doing alot of design work for new pages on XzL website
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12:13 <Vanhayes> hello madmax|pt
12:13 <madmax|pt> hello
12:14 <Self_Destructo> hi
12:14 <Self_Destructo> hrm, /me needs to download a good validator for that dtd
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12:14 <ghableska> hi
12:14 <Self_Destructo> hi
12:15 <Vanhayes> Hey ghableska
12:15 <madmax|pt> hi ghab
12:15 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes, madmax|pt
12:15 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: ETA 4:30
12:15 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is eta
12:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: eta: nothing appropriate
12:15 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:16 <ghableska> estimated time of arrival?
12:16 <wrtlprnft> i know
12:16 <ghableska> for what?
12:16 <wrtlprnft> but wtf doesn't know about it
12:16 <wrtlprnft> for the upload
12:16 <ghableska> oh
12:16 <Self_Destructo> ok
12:16 <wrtlprnft> now it's 8:00, my server is kinda busy right now
12:17 <Vanhayes> 8:00 where?
12:17 <Self_Destructo> 8 minutes you mean?
12:17 <wrtlprnft> compiling boost, using more virtual memory for one single GCC process than i have RAM O_o
12:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:17 <Self_Destructo> hehe
12:17 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:18 <Self_Destructo> * minutes is more of a standard way of saying it in the US
12:18 <armabot> spidey: 19:01:31 up 62 days, 19:06, 5 users, load average: 2.13, 2.89, 3.62
12:18 <wrtlprnft> wtf
12:18 <wrtlprnft> that thing is cached
12:19 <wrtlprnft> #alias add uptime "echo spidey: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?$randomInt]"
12:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:19 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:19 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft, know of a xml validator program or php script I can downlaod?
12:19 <armabot> spidey: Unable to download feed.
12:19 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: just try to feed it through arma :P
12:19 <wrtlprnft> try to load it as map file and look for an error
12:19 <Self_Destructo> ok, it's setup that far?
12:19 <Self_Destructo> ok
12:19 <wrtlprnft> #alias add uptime "echo spidey: [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?$randomInt]"
12:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:20 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:20 <armabot> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?-529
12:20 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?-529
12:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 19:19:51 up 62 days, 19:24, 5 users, load average: 4.23, 4.37, 3.99
12:20 <wrtlprnft> ...
12:20 <wrtlprnft> #alias add uptime "echo spidey: [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?[echo $randomInt]]"
12:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:20 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:20 <armabot> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php? 931
12:21 <wrtlprnft> #alias add uptime "echo spidey: [rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?[echo $randomInt]]"
12:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:21 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:21 <armabot> spidey:
12:21 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft loves spam :p
12:21 <wrtlprnft> #alias add uptime "echo spidey: [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php]"
12:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm? I'm just tryng to fix that...
12:22 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sd.tar.bz2
12:22 <Self_Destructo> fix it in a query to armabot?
12:22 <Self_Destructo> query = pm
12:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm
12:23 <wrtlprnft> why is that stupid thing caching my feed?
12:23 <Self_Destructo> GOOD NIGHT
12:23 <Self_Destructo> big file
12:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah, 25mb
12:23 <Self_Destructo> thanks a bunch
12:24 <wrtlprnft> it's 134mb uncompressed
12:24 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: can't download that?
12:24 <Self_Destructo> now if i can find that much space on my jump drive
12:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, want me to split it up?
12:25 <Self_Destructo> no
12:26 <wrtlprnft> probably the diff between the trunk and 0.3.0 is just a few KB
12:26 <Self_Destructo> dad had a million pictures on it, lol
12:26 <Self_Destructo> 45MB worth
12:26 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:27 <wrtlprnft> if just that compile process would finish...
12:27 <Self_Destructo> did you get _winlibs too?
12:27 <wrtlprnft> i got all of it
12:27 <Self_Destructo> ok
12:29 <wrtlprnft> hah!
12:29 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:29 <armabot> 19:29:04 up 62 days, 19:34, 5 users, load average: 2.95, 3.81, 3.96
12:29 <wrtlprnft> now it works
12:30 <Self_Destructo> were you fixing it by pm?
12:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:30 <Self_Destructo> nice
12:30 <Self_Destructo> so what is this feed anyways?
12:30 <wrtlprnft> the uptime of my server :P
12:30 <wrtlprnft> #ui
12:30 <wrtlprnft> #u
12:30 <armabot> spidey: 19:30:22 up 62 days, 19:35, 5 users, load average: 2.65, 3.49, 3.83
12:30 <Self_Destructo> ah
12:31 <wrtlprnft> ah, got the "spidey: " back, too
12:31 <Self_Destructo> armagetron server, or the server in general/
12:31 <Self_Destructo> ?
12:31 <wrtlprnft> the server in general
12:31 <wrtlprnft> just the output of the uptime command ;)
12:31 <Self_Destructo> cool
12:32 <Self_Destructo> ok, well, i got waht i needed, thanks and bunch and cya
12:32 <wrtlprnft> cya
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12:33 * ghableska is annoyed
12:33 <Vanhayes> about?
12:33 <ghableska> my render
12:33 <wrtlprnft> not as good as you expected?
12:33 <ghableska> it took 20 hours, and ended up looking like crap :-/
12:34 * ghableska is going to stick to terragen
12:34 <wrtlprnft> can't you make a preview render first?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> like, with less polygons?
12:34 <ghableska> yeah, but the preview looked nice
12:34 <wrtlprnft> then use the preview?
12:35 <ghableska> what?
12:35 * wrtlprnft plays dumb
12:35 <madmax|pt> lol
12:35 <wrtlprnft> i'm just bored watching my server compile some stupid gigantic lib of which arma only uses 1%
12:36 <ghableska> lol
12:37 <wrtlprnft> if there's anyone on my race server, they must be totally lagged out
12:37 <ghableska> poor things...
12:37 <ghableska> heh
12:38 <wrtlprnft> luckily i'm nowhere near that server, it must make unbearable noises, it's trashing all the time
12:38 <ghableska> :P
12:39 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, about the missing characters, do you know if they show up in polls?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: no
12:39 <wrtlprnft> i guess they won't, but wanna try?
12:40 <ghableska> ok
12:40 <wrtlprnft> meet you at my race server (if it works well enough)
12:40 <ghableska> your server?
12:51 <ghableska> hmm, server kicked me
12:51 <ghableska> "network overflow"
12:52 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:52 <wrtlprnft> ok, bf fortress
12:52 <wrtlprnft> you can vote there as well
12:52 <ghableska> sure
12:52 <wrtlprnft> si'll just join and behave like a noob, you watch
12:52 <wrtlprnft> someone will poll me
12:52 <ghableska> hehehe
12:52 <ghableska> under what name?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> !_!_!
12:52 <wrtlprnft> just inverted
12:52 <ghableska> ok
12:54 <ghableska> hmm, it won't let me /msg you
12:56 <Vanhayes> it doesnt show up in the poll menu
12:59 <wrtlprnft> haha, and i still got kicked
12:59 <ghableska> nice
12:59 <Vanhayes> sry that was me
12:59 <ghableska> hehe
12:59 <wrtlprnft> np
12:59 <wrtlprnft> i wasn't gonna stay long anyways
13:00 <ghableska> brb, lunch time
13:00 * wrtlprnft feels hungry now ghableska mentions it
13:00 <wrtlprnft> *mentions food
13:01 <Vanhayes> 2 hours past lunch and I still havent had any
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13:21 <wrtlprnft> z-man: dunno if it's gonna help anything, but here is a list of the hexadecimal/binary codes of the chars ghableska and i tested: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/69867
13:21 <wrtlprnft> where + is tested and it works (the chars appear no problem) and - is tested and it doesn't (chars at the beginning and end of the name disappear)
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13:28 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4995 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Basic error reporting.
13:29 <wrtlprnft> what's that?
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13:30 <ghableska> back
13:30 <wrtlprnft> wb
13:31 <wrtlprnft> and that thing is still compiling... even kdelibs compiled faster on that server
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13:32 <wrtlprnft> the frustrating thing is that the CPU is only used to like 10%, due to all the swapping to HD
13:33 <ghableska> o_O
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13:34 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4996 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/SDL_mixer/VisualC/smpeg/lib/smpeg.dll: working smpeg.dll
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4997 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/win32/code_blocks/ (SDL_mixer.cbp libogg.cbp libvorbis.cbp libvorbisfile.cbp): updated project files
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13:36 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screen2.png
13:37 <wrtlprnft> too many things going on
13:37 <joda_bot> hi
13:37 <ghableska> hi
13:37 <wrtlprnft> hi joda_bot
13:37 <wrtlprnft> are those actual improvements to sound on windows or just moving stuff around?
13:37 * joda_bot didn't exspect the smpeg.dll problem to be easy ;)
13:38 <joda_bot> works now
13:38 <joda_bot> with mp3 support
13:38 <wrtlprnft> aaah
13:38 <wrtlprnft> then i say we need another alpha
13:38 <joda_bot> just Lucifer_arma does not support m3u relative links I guess
13:38 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: wait a second ;)
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13:39 <joda_bot> commited too early got a compile time error :P
13:39 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm not gonna make the alpha anyways :P
13:39 <wrtlprnft> but i just said, IMHO we should bring out another alpha before we go final
13:39 <joda_bot> just a stupid copy paste ;)
13:40 <joda_bot> huh , final ?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0 final
13:40 <joda_bot> hm... the sound support does not look very final to me
13:40 <wrtlprnft> final != stable
13:40 <joda_bot> Also there quite a few features missing ?
13:41 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0 is a development release, right?
13:41 <joda_bot> eh oh ok
13:41 <wrtlprnft> so we can pring it out whenever we want and then put any new features into 0.3.1
13:41 <wrtlprnft> *bring
13:41 <wrtlprnft> pring omg
13:41 <joda_bot> What's the difference between Development Relase and Release for you ?
13:41 <wrtlprnft> development release is nowhere near complete
13:42 <joda_bot> hm, confusing ;)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> ask Lucifer_arma... i don't quite get it myself
13:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: reassuring ;)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:43 <joda_bot> I'd prefer to use 0.3 as a usual build this development stuff is logic for linux-kernel hackers ;)
13:44 * wrtlprnft never touched the kernel sources
13:44 <wrtlprnft> except for grep -ir fuck /usr/src/linux :P
13:45 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/process.c: /* fuck me plenty */
13:45 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/arch/mips/kernel/irixelf.c:#if 0 /* XXX No fucking way dude... */
13:45 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/netfilter/xt_limit.c: * Alexey is a fucking genius?
13:49 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes, ghableska: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=392 <-- what do you think about those cycle labels?
13:51 <ghableska> I like them :D
13:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:52 <wrtlprnft> I don't have any screenshot, but there's also name handling and an improved tab completion now
13:52 <wrtlprnft> it finally handles /msg correctly
13:53 <ghableska> ah
13:53 <Vanhayes> They are good, makes it easier to see which team they are on
13:53 <wrtlprnft> i wanna maxe them 3D one day
13:54 <wrtlprnft> *make
13:54 <ghableska> heh
13:54 <wrtlprnft> like, rotation over the cycle as an extruded font
13:54 <wrtlprnft> that would be cool
13:54 <ghableska> yeah
13:55 <wrtlprnft> + particle explosions, sparks and wall disappear animations once Lucifer_arma finishes them
13:56 <ghableska> :O
13:57 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: lol the mp3 plays at the 2 or 4 times it's correct speed
13:57 <wrtlprnft> useful
13:57 <wrtlprnft> just tell the user to make the mp3s slower first?
13:59 <joda_bot> #message Lucifer_arma http://www.massivetracks.net/ Royalty Free Music and Loops for Immediate Download
13:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
14:07 <z-man> Err, joda_bot, did you try to compile your fixes?
14:07 <z-man> ../../../../armagetronad/src/engine/sound/sdl_mixer/eMusicTrackSDLMixer.cpp:173: error: request for member `SetTemplateParameter' in `error', which is of non-aggregate type `tOutput ()()'
14:07 <z-man> The line "tOutput error();" declares a function...
14:08 <joda_bot> z-man: sorry
14:08 <joda_bot> z-man: got the fix here , just got distracted
14:08 <z-man> never mind :) BTW, there is an alternative syntax, you can just to "con << tOutput( "$bla", templateParam1, templateParam2 );"
14:09 <joda_bot> hm fine
14:09 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r4998 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/sound/sdl_mixer/eMusicTrackSDLMixer.cpp: fixed compiler issues
14:09 <guru3> almost at revision 5000 :S
14:09 <joda_bot> that retrip time is really low
14:09 <joda_bot> roundtrip time
14:09 <z-man> You mean commit -> see message here?
14:10 <joda_bot> yes
14:10 <joda_bot> about 2sec
14:10 <z-man> Oh dear, If I think what can happen in two seconds...
14:10 <z-man> I could report the bug you just fixed :)
14:11 <joda_bot> z-man: Do you have any idea, why mp3 playback is too fast ?
14:11 <z-man> Now lucifer has an int-returning function that never actually returns anything...
14:11 <z-man> No.
14:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that in the web interface?
14:19 <z-man> yes
14:19 <z-man> Any clue what it should return? 0?
14:19 <z-man> The other function of that type does return 0 :)
14:19 <wrtlprnft> that's what i just saw
14:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, I'd say 0
14:20 <wrtlprnft> would anyone mind if i transformed that "class" into a namespace?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> all static members
14:20 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r4999 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/ui/uWebinterface.cpp: Added return value to callback function (0), hope that's right.
14:20 <wrtlprnft> 1 more
14:20 * wrtlprnft quickly searches for some change he can make to commit number 5000
14:21 <wrtlprnft> jk
14:21 <z-man> Hmm, the problem with namespaces is that they can't be nested, so I'd leave it a class.
14:21 <wrtlprnft> uh
14:21 <wrtlprnft> yes you can nest namespaces?!
14:21 <z-man> Just in case we want to introduce Arma_UI, arma_Engine namespaces.
14:21 <z-man> No, you can't.
14:21 * z-man thinks so, anyway
14:22 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/cplusplus03.html#l52
14:22 <wrtlprnft> the heading sais it all
14:23 <wrtlprnft> *says
14:23 <z-man> Hmm, ok.
14:24 <wrtlprnft> or is there some VC6 problem with it?
14:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I guess noone uses VC6 anymore
14:25 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is intended that you need to have boost installed to compile the dedicated server? It won't compile without it on my server
14:26 <joda_bot> If someone would update the VC6 project files I wouldn't mind and collect them inside win32/VC6 ;)
14:26 <wrtlprnft> that's why i'm already waiting all day for boost to compile
14:26 <z-man> The vc6 files can't be updated, the sources are pretty much unfixable now.
14:26 <z-man> wrtlprnft: don't know, aren't you the one who introduced the boost dependencies?
14:27 <wrtlprnft> partly my fault i guess ;)
14:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that was ph
14:27 <z-man> ah
14:27 <z-man> I thought you were using them for the name filtering in 0.3.0
14:27 <joda_bot> Might upgrade them to VS2003 ;)
14:27 <wrtlprnft> but it sucks. the gcc process that's compiling one file in boost takes more virtual memory than the server has RAM
14:28 <z-man> Yeah, that sounds like Boost :)
14:28 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i was gonna use them if ph was using them in some other file
14:29 <z-man> We're only using headers from there, right? So in theory, you don't need to build anything.
14:29 <wrtlprnft> well, i emerged it
14:29 <joda_bot> z-man: right
14:29 <z-man> And I remember we originally wanted to put the parts we actually use of it into src/thirdparty.
14:29 <joda_bot> z-man: but the C++ templates are NP complete you could simulate any PC just using templates ;)
14:30 <joda_bot> There are some safeties in the compilers that might prevent it , but it's a dangerous spec ;)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> gosh, i hope that compile process is not gonna run outta disk space
14:30 <z-man> joda_bot: that doesn't change that nothing wrtlprnft is compiling right now will be used by arma later :)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> or swap space, for that matter
14:30 <z-man> How much do you have?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> 122MB RAM + 494MB swap
14:31 <z-man> That's enough.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> and that's running 3 arma servers, apacke, mysql, samba, sshd, ...
14:31 <z-man> Provided not much more is running on the server :)
14:31 <z-man> oh, hehe.
14:32 <wrtlprnft> it got to a point with only 100MB free a while ago
14:32 <z-man> I emerged it with 128 Ram + 256 swap
14:32 <z-man> But I only have clamav and an armagetron master running there
14:32 <z-man> Oh, and trac
14:32 <wrtlprnft> OTOH i could just stop the arma servers, they're useless anyways
14:33 <z-man> Especially crazy lines :)
14:33 <wrtlprnft> no way anyone can play on there right now
14:33 <wrtlprnft> that's not what i meant, but they're all lagged out, 2000ms ping
14:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i should kill crazy lines
14:34 <wrtlprnft> done
14:34 <wrtlprnft> what?
14:34 <wrtlprnft> there's actually people on my race server
14:34 <wrtlprnft> unbelievable
14:35 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft it says that i need an upgrade if I want to play on crazy lines or wrtl's fort
14:36 <wrtlprnft> wtf
14:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: what version, works fine with my trunk version
14:37 <Vanhayes> er nvrm it used to
14:38 <wrtlprnft> wow, boost is finished compiling
14:39 <Vanhayes> er wait it says i need an upgrade again
14:39 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: let me update the servers first
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: we have m3u support...
14:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, how do i gain access to the /admin?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> i changed web_password.cfg to
14:45 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft:laptop:e7df7cd2ca07f4f1ab415d457a6e1c13
14:45 <wrtlprnft> but it won't let me in with username wrtlprnft and password 1234
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://yourarmaserver:4550/admin
14:46 <wrtlprnft> i know
14:46 <Lucifer_arma> you did make install?
14:46 <wrtlprnft> no
14:46 <wrtlprnft> make run
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> make install might be required right now, I didn't manage to get the webserer running right from the build directory :(
14:47 <wrtlprnft> it is running fine...
14:47 <wrtlprnft> i can access the resource repository
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, then. Maybe it's not md5 that's in the password file?
14:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, i could try crypt, or course
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #unix crypt
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (unix crypt <password> [<salt>]) -- Returns the resulting of doing a crypt() on <password> If <salt> is not given, uses a random salt. If running on a glibc2 system, prepending '$1$' to your salt will cause crypt to return an MD5sum based crypt rather than the standard DES based crypt.
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #unix crypt 1234
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: kbPuMA0JHHr6I
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> #unix crypt 1234 $1$
14:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: $1$$iC.dUsGpxNNJGeOm1dFio/
14:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, it refuses
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> what refuses?
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> refuses to do what?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> it refuses to let me in
14:52 * wrtlprnft just comments out that line for now
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> great, that's an interesting bug
14:55 <wrtlprnft> so you'll take care of it?
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, wait, I found a different bug
14:56 <wrtlprnft> if it's so interesting? I think it's rather boring
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what problem you're having, sorry
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> the bug I found is this:
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> if the resource isn't available, the server tries to download it from its own resource repository
14:56 <wrtlprnft> hmmm
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> but since the download blocks, it can't poll the webserver anymore
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> therefore it can't download the resource!
14:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Any idea, why SDL_mixer plays mp3 files too fast ?
14:57 <z-man> Of course, it wouldn't find the resource anyway because it is not there :)
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> I know lots of reasons, joda_bot
14:57 <joda_bot> it's a 192kps file at 44kHz and JS
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: it shouldn't even have to try to download a resource from its own repository, since the repository is what's installed with the server! :(
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: you have too many output channels configured
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> :)
14:58 <GodTodd> hrmmm...
14:59 <GodTodd> the playlist file can be anywhere i want it to be as long as i specify the path, right?
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> right
15:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening all
15:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
15:00 <armabot> +
15:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://paddy-so.no-ip.org/~pso/shirt1.png http://paddy-so.no-ip.org/~pso/shirt2.png
15:00 <GodTodd> how come it won't play my list then? ;)
15:00 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Hey, cool the m3u files should work for absolute file pathes too except ;)
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it's m3u format, right?
15:00 <GodTodd> yep
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: that's all they work for
15:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> GodTodd: what is your OS?
15:00 <GodTodd> path specified, playlist set to custom
15:01 <GodTodd> win XPensive
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> are the songs mp3?
15:01 <GodTodd> yep
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, mp3 support is broken right now, should be fixed in the next alpha
15:01 <joda_bot> ERROR: User given path "F:\mpeg3\01 Sita - Happy.mp3" is an absolute path. You'r
15:01 <joda_bot> e not allowed to access files outside of the configured file hierarchies.
15:01 <joda_bot> peng committed suicide and lost 4 points.
15:01 <GodTodd> ah...that could do it :)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: that's a bug
15:02 <joda_bot> ;)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: it's supposed to work with absolute paths. what did you change?
15:02 <joda_bot> Play and Pause don't work as exspected
15:02 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Nothing ;)
15:02 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: mp3 support being broken...would that be why i get an error when hitting the "next track" key and such?
15:03 <joda_bot> AFAIK
15:03 <joda_bot> Is it allowed to put an absolute path inside default.m3u ?
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> no
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> then you're doing crazy stuff
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> create a custom playlist, give it the path to that, and all that
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> if the playlist is a resource, then it has to be in a path in your arma installation, and default.m3u is a resource
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's not yet hooked into the resource system, though
15:05 <joda_bot> hm, ok
15:05 <joda_bot> wait
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> and next time you're not doing things the Right Way (like they were written), would you mind mentioning it early?
15:08 <joda_bot> !?
15:08 <joda_bot> The smpeg.dll ?
15:08 <joda_bot> or are you talking about the error reporting inside the Load...
15:08 <joda_bot> Yes, I forgoet ;)
15:10 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: In the final version we should make the entry field for the custom play list scroll it's really difficult to type the file link blindly
15:11 <joda_bot> font size is at "4 pix height" or something and I'm typing offscreen ;)
15:12 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: will I get an error if the custom play list is not found ?
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm talking about hacking an internal playlist to do things that it was explicitly not designed to do, and not using an external playlist to do the things it was explicitly designed to do :)
15:15 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Give me documentation ;)
15:15 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: can you try my spoon server again?
15:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, it looks like the version string generation doesn't work
15:16 <Vanhayes> I just did and it didnt work
15:16 <wrtlprnft> my server is updated but it is still talking about revision 47xx
15:16 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: what client version?
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/New_Sound_Engine <--- been there for months
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15:16 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: ah ;)
15:17 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, the new alpha
15:17 <wrtlprnft> very weird, you don't even appear in the logs...
15:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: the race server still works, right?
15:19 <wrtlprnft> i'm gonna take down that server, noone uses it anyways
15:19 <Vanhayes> ya it does
15:19 <Vanhayes> player 1
15:19 <Vanhayes> i was player 1
15:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: only logins from me in the logs
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15:24 <Vanhayes> wow I just got kicked from norms place
15:24 <wrtlprnft> never been there
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think the password file is the same format as apache's .htpasswd
15:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, the one in the repository has two :, htpasswd only 1
15:25 <Vanhayes> neither Have I, I went in under the name Player 1 and got booted by the admin with no warning
15:25 * Lucifer_arma is still reading shttpd.c to find out, the format is not documented apparently
15:25 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma:Set a m3u without spaces, it seems to find it
15:26 * wrtlprnft joins there as player 1 just for fun
15:26 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: but the files are not found to m3u relative paths
15:26 <z-man> wrtlprnft: updating the version string triggers a full rebuild, so it isn't done automatically
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15:26 <Lucifer_arma> m3u is supposed to have absolute paths in it
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> does it?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> wow, those guys are kicking quick
15:27 <Vanhayes> maybe it is set to kick anyone name player?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: how do i do it then?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> aaah, right
15:27 <wrtlprnft> that is everytime.cfg
15:28 <wrtlprnft> bastards
15:28 <wrtlprnft> don't join
15:28 <Vanhayes> lol
15:28 <z-man> did someone hack your server? :)
15:28 <z-man> wrtlprnft: remove "version"
15:28 <ghableska> heh
15:28 <ghableska> tried it :)
15:28 * Vanhayes joins as 1 reyalp
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15:29 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: File f:\mpge3\[mtk122]-gschmidt-03-alientanz.mp3 could not be loaded: Couldn't r
15:29 <joda_bot> ead from 'f:\mpge3\[mtk122]-gschmidt-03-alientanz.mp3'
15:29 <joda_bot> It finds the m3u file, but then is unable to load the mp3
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's the error people are getting when sdl_mixer won't load an mp3
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> try putting an ogg file in there and see if it loads it
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> also, it looks like there's a typo in the path
15:30 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: The file is not found believe me, playing a mp3 inside music worked fine
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> f:\mpge3\ <---
15:30 <joda_bot> wops ;)
15:31 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Anyway to reload the playlist ?
15:31 <spider_> O_o
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, not that I know of :)
15:31 -!- spider_ is now known as spidey
15:31 <Vanhayes> #s
15:31 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a humid mass of fobbing craptacular.
15:31 <z-man> If you guys want an alpha build today, you've got to tell me soon :) Bedtime is getting closer.
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> there will be, eventually, but if you can now, it's accidental
15:31 <spidey> #vanhayes
15:31 <armabot> spidey thinks vanhayes is gay,because vanhayes You are nothing but a rank assload of lewd-minded scum.
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: let me add a couple of config items to the web interface real quick
15:32 * z-man is waiting for the build command
15:32 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: works except for double speed
15:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: try that command again
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> double speed is caused either by smpeg or sdl_mixer
15:32 <joda_bot> or perhaps triple ?
15:32 <z-man> Chipmunks!
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had to set output channels to 2 to make it play mp3s lel
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> I assumed that problem went away if your soundcard actually supported 4-6 output channels
15:33 <joda_bot> nope
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> and it's sadly a problem with sdl_mixer. :(
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> that didn't fix it?
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> you restarted between changes, right?
15:33 <joda_bot> just testing if sound channel 2 fixes it
15:34 <joda_bot> works yes
15:34 <joda_bot> Do you depend somewhere on the channel factor ? ;)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's an underlying sdl_mixer problem
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> see, you just tell sdl_mixer to play a file and where it's at, and it does it
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's nice when it works, but it really sucks when it doesn't
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> I can hook in a custom decoder, and I will eventually, and that *might* fix it. You may notice that ogg vorbis files always work?
15:36 <joda_bot> hm
15:37 * Lucifer_arma points out that mp3 support is really only so people can use their own mp3 collections ingame anyway and doesn't promise extensive mp3 support
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> but in a little bit, sometime after 0.3.0 is out the door, I"ll be writing a libmad-based decoder, it's in my plan (I have to write my own decoders to execute my plan),
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> and it's on my list to make the decoders I write work with sdl_mixer, because sdl_mixer has a way for you to override its decoders and provide your own
15:43 <spidey> #help vanhayes
15:43 <armabot> spidey: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Vanhayes thinks $who is gay.".
15:44 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
15:44 <armabot> Vanhayes thinks Vanhayes is gay.
15:44 <Vanhayes> lol
15:46 <Vanhayes> #s
15:46 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a swag-bellied bucket of impertinent guts.
15:46 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: just found the SDL_SURROND define ... I'll add that and see if it works ;)
15:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5000 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Hopefully a more clever way to regenerate ChangeLog and fingerprint.
15:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5001 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/build/WorkMakefile: Disabled rpm builds for alphas in z-man-home
15:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5002 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/build/scripts/copysrc: Added bogus make calls to update ChangeLog and other stuff that may require multiple builds
15:52 <Vanhayes> #s
15:52 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a jarring ooze of culturally-unsound toenails.
15:54 <wrtlprnft> #u
15:54 <armabot> spidey: 22:53:37 up 62 days, 22:58, 4 users, load average: 0.55, 0.92, 0.80
15:54 <spidey> yay
15:54 <spidey> done with meh cockpit O_o
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15:54 <spidey> i think :s
15:55 <Vanhayes> got a pic?
15:55 <spidey> mhmm
15:55 <spidey> sec
15:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: pm Luke-Jr for an account on the resource repository and upload it :)
15:57 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5003 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
15:57 <armabot> armagetronad: Added WEB_USE_INTERNAL and WEB_REMOTE_ADMIN config items to enable/disable the web server and the admin
15:57 <armabot> armagetronad: pages on the web server separately. Default is to use the web server, but disable the admin pages, so the
15:57 <armabot> armagetronad: server can serve resources securely.
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ready for an alpha :)
15:57 <spidey> Vanhayes, http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9192/untitled6rr1.jpg
15:57 <spidey> i have another one i made for wizz,but it's girly :p
15:57 <wrtlprnft> pink/purple?
15:58 <spidey> mhmm
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: I'm trying to track down a potential problem with the web server that may cause it not to work in the alpha, if you want to go into settings_Dedicated.cfg and disable it for the alpha, that's fine
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: but it worked last night, so I suspect the problem is my own and I typod the map file or something in my config
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: it's ok for it to be disabled in 0.3.0 by default, but it should work (and does, afaik, wrtlprnft was using it on his servers too)
15:59 <joda_bot> I'll commit the lastest SDL_mixer project file with SDL_SURROUND set
15:59 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5004 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Err, really regenerate ChangeLog a smarter way, the last commit just made it fail.
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: does that fix the mp3 playing back fast problem?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, the web server is running on my servers, but i'm not using it
15:59 * Lucifer_arma chuckles
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: oh, ok. I thought you were serving maps with it or something.
16:00 <wrtlprnft> no
16:00 <joda_bot> guess not - I'm just ask on #SDL ;)
16:00 <joda_bot> ask*ing*
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:01 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I looked at the code, but OGG and MP3 are called in the same way and I can't see much difference there
16:01 <joda_bot> once the sound is decoded it should not make much difference, but AFAIK smpeg itself is in charge of playing back the sound
16:01 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know a way to teach konsole to allow bold text?
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I blame smpeg, because it's a prety crappy library anyway :)
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: looks like the password is a regular md5 hash, I'll screw with it, I only tested the default username and password :)
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> but first I want to know why my server isn't finding its map
16:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what IS the default password?
16:02 <Vanhayes> spidey, it looks good. :)
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> goddammit
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> default username:pass is guest:guest
16:03 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> which is why tank's "remote admin disabled by setting it to NONE" comment hit me like it did :)
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> BUG - when uninstalling, arma deletes all its resource files
16:04 <wrtlprnft> uh, well, you could just set the password to the md5sum of your kernel by default
16:04 * Vanhayes goes to eat
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> or I could put a config item to disable remote admin, which is much more useful anyway :)
16:04 <wrtlprnft> VanEatsPeople?
16:05 -!- Vanhayes is now known as VanEatsChicken
16:05 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna just add my map to svn :)
16:05 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:08 <z-man> Can we make armabot listen to BUG cries here?
16:09 <z-man> Besides the usual logging, of course :)
16:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:09 <wrtlprnft> would be possible i guess
16:09 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5005 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/ (. plusSignFort.xml): Added my fortress map.
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> sure z-man, just write a plugin for it
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's python :)
16:10 <wrtlprnft> can't we abuse NEWS for that?
16:10 <wrtlprnft> the news command
16:11 <wrtlprnft> noone's using it anyways
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> we could, I suppose
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5006 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: downgraded directx headers to v5.0 support Windows NT
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: endabled SDL_SURROUND for SDL_mixer
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> make an alias for news add :)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> #help news add
16:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (news add [<channel>] <expires> <subject>: <text>) -- Adds a given news item of <text> to a channel with the given <subject>. If <expires> isn't 0, that news item will expire <expires> seconds from now. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:12 <wrtlprnft> #alias add BUG "news add 0 $*:bug"
16:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:12 <wrtlprnft> #bug testbug
16:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (news add [<channel>] <expires> <subject>: <text>) -- Adds a given news item of <text> to a channel with the given <subject>. If <expires> isn't 0, that news item will expire <expires> seconds from now. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:12 * wrtlprnft goes to private chat with armabot
16:14 <wrtlprnft> or i might copy the news plugin and modify it, heh
16:14 <wrtlprnft> which is what i'm gonna do
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> that would probably be better
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> since the news plugin is pretty sucky anyway
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: I don't know if you caught this, but I'm ready for another alpha. :) Unless anyone had any last-minute tings to throw in, we've got the two things I really wanted.
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> and I really want this to be the last alpha if possible and go to 0.3.0 next
16:23 <z-man> Ok, build is started at revision 5006
16:23 * z-man hopes everything works with joda's changes
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16:26 <wrtlprnft> ,load Bugs
16:26 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my server runs :)
16:29 <wrtlprnft> gah, that news thingy is too complex for me
16:29 <wrtlprnft> and i want it to accept BUG cries, not #bug cries
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16:29 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: but downloading the map fails :(
16:32 <wrtlprnft> any way to embed PHP code in python?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> this is annoying me
16:35 <wrtlprnft> BUG test
16:36 <wrtlprnft> BUG test
16:36 <wrtlprnft> BUG test
16:36 <wrtlbot> BUG test
16:37 <wrtlprnft> now i need to get it to save it somewhere and provide commands to delete them
16:37 <wrtlprnft> *save them
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> downloading the map fails for whom? z-man
16:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://armagetronad.davefancella.com:4550/resource/Lucifer/sick/ <--- can you visit that url with your browser?
16:42 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes
16:42 <wrtlprnft> i can
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> and you see Playroom and PlusSignFortress there?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> is there anything you have that's not sick?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: in sick
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: not yet :)
16:43 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Map downloads work too
16:43 <z-man> Browser works right now for me, too
16:43 * z-man goes to the AA server again
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's Swamplords Teams (in case you thought it was something else)
16:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how do i get an empty array in python?
16:45 <wrtlprnft> just array()?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, something = []
16:46 <wrtlprnft> k
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> what's gam_server?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my ps and it's taking a lot of CPU time
16:47 <wrtlprnft> i don't have that
16:47 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia gam
16:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.18 seconds: Free Aceh Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Aceh_Movement>; GAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAM>; Rita Gam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Gam>; Dafydd Gam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
16:47 <wrtlprnft> #more
16:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dafydd_Gam>; List of people by name: Gam -Gaq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_by_name:_Gam-Gaq>; Gam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gam>; Template: GAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GAM>; Gam Wu-seong - Wikipedia, the free (1 more message)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> found it
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's part of gnome, it's a file monitoring system
16:48 <wrtlprnft> gnome?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> how did gnome get on there?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> it keeps restarting when I kill it :(
16:49 <wrtlprnft> find its parent?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> I guess Kubuntu installs some gnome things?
16:49 <wrtlprnft> and kill that?
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, how do I find its parent? heh
16:50 <wrtlprnft> oh, i thought that was your gentoo server
16:50 <wrtlprnft> ps alx | grep gam
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha
16:50 <wrtlprnft> 4th coloumn
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> that one restarted!
16:50 <z-man> Vanhayes thinks the map on your server is too big, Lucifer_arma :)
16:51 <Vanhayes> way too big
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> it needs some work
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I made it smaller, crap
16:51 <Vanhayes> especially for one on one
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> it should be better next round
16:51 * Lucifer_arma puts on his todo list "write python script to resize maps"
16:52 <z-man> Gaa, windows build from source zip fails
16:53 <z-man> And my GF is blocking the build computer, made the mistake to show her a flash game :(
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
16:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> awww
16:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> always these women
16:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
16:54 * Lucifer_arma doesn't have flash on his machine right now
16:54 * [Xpert]DarkStar doesn't let his GF use his computer
16:55 <z-man> joda_bot: it can't find the icon files. Did you adjust the paths?
16:55 <z-man> It seems to be looking in icons/, while it should be looking in ../icons, I think.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> joda moved a bunch of shit around last night, I noticed
16:56 <z-man> Yeah.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know what, of course, I didn't pay that much attention :)
16:57 <z-man> Remind me to remind everyone not to do random, unneccesary changes in release branches.
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: dont' forget to remind everyone not to do random, unnecessary changes in release branches
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man dont' forget to remind everyone not to do random, unnecessary changes in release branches
17:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
17:03 * Lucifer_arma loves armabot
17:03 <z-man> Very helpful.
17:03 <z-man> :)
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17:05 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
17:06 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma the map is pretty fun with more ppl
17:07 <Lucifer_arma> ty. :) I enjoy that map quite a bit, actually.
17:07 <Vanhayes> I can now see how .3 can give a big advantage too
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> with the hud map?
17:08 <Vanhayes> heh ya
17:08 <Vanhayes> you can easily sneak up on someone
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> that is true, I never argued that. :) I only argue that if a map depends on player's not having a hud map, then the map itself is sucky :)
17:09 <wrtlprnft> arguable
17:10 <wrtlprnft> you might make some kind of hide and seek map
17:10 <Vanhayes> max is 3 teams?
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> the map was made to accomodate 4 teams of 2 players, but I want my server to be 3 teams of 3 players instead
17:11 <Lucifer_arma> my connection can't handle much more than 8,9 players :(
17:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: then make a server with 3 axes ;)
17:11 <wrtlprnft> or 6
17:12 * Lucifer_arma hasn't taken to different axes very well
17:12 <wrtlprnft> because Luke-Jr invented them?
17:12 <Vanhayes> that creates weird lagg i find
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, actually I loved the idea when he first showed up with it
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> but I haven't really liked it in general
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> there are specific cases where they're really good, like your race server which is very nice
17:13 <wrtlprnft> or that oktafortress server?
17:13 <Lucifer_arma> and I can imagine other cases where different axes will be really nice and standard axes will suck
17:13 <wrtlprnft> or CT fortress?
17:13 <Lucifer_arma> actually I don't like CT fortress a lot. :(
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ct fortress rocks, just that there's more idiots than on BF sucks
17:13 <Lucifer_arma> some of the maps I really like, but the multi-axes maps in particular I don't enjoy
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> and you're right, there's a lot of smegheads there :(
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> even some of the CT guys that are cool on BF turn into smegheads on CT fortress
17:14 <wrtlprnft> fight the smagheads, help the noobs!
17:14 <spidey> lol
17:14 <spidey> man
17:15 <spidey> i got kicked from CT last night O_o
17:15 <wrtlprnft> only idiots write in colors all the time!
17:15 <spidey> bah
17:15 <ghableska> heh
17:15 <spidey> i hate that shit
17:15 <ghableska> durka ;)
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> can you add that to the default instant chats, wrtlprnft ?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: which one to throw out?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> and should it say noobs or idiots?
17:15 <spidey> idiots
17:15 <ghableska> idiots
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> idiots :)
17:16 <spidey> idiots win
17:16 <spidey> xD
17:16 <ghableska> lol
17:16 <wrtlprnft> hmm idiots has one more charr
17:16 <wrtlprnft> gotta be careful to keep it under 80
17:16 * Lucifer_arma tries to remember which file has the default instant chats in it
17:16 <wrtlprnft> i'll find it
17:16 <spidey> mmmm
17:16 <spidey> it's like
17:16 <spidey> user.cfg ?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> no
17:16 <wrtlprnft> DEFAULT
17:17 <wrtlprnft> shall i just add a new key?
17:17 <spidey> .....
17:17 <wrtlprnft> that would be better since it doesn't only apply to new installs
17:17 <wrtlprnft> it's ePlayer.cpp methinls
17:17 <Vanhayes> spidey, come try the map
17:18 <spidey> ?
17:18 <Lucifer_arma> found it, it's ePlayer.cpp
17:18 <spidey> lol
17:18 <Lucifer_arma> looks like there's a NULL
17:18 <Lucifer_arma> throw out the NULL :)
17:19 <Vanhayes> spidey, come to swamplords teams
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> line 527
17:19 <wrtlprnft> you mind if i throw out that whitespace?
17:19 <wrtlprnft> the empty lines above it
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I don't care :)
17:23 <wrtlprnft> is there any way to tell grep -r not to search .svn dirs?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you try to figure out the id of the key right of 0 on an english keyboard?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> bind something to it and then check user.cfg
17:27 <wrtlprnft> nvm
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17:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> entering weekend mode
17:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> real weekend mode
17:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i'll cu on sunday
17:36 <z-man> #later tell joda_bot Windows compile is broken :( It doesn't find the icon files where it expects them.
17:36 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
17:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night all
17:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and have a nice weekend
17:36 <wrtlprnft> night
17:37 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma sorry, no alpha build tonight, then.
17:37 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
17:37 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that means the release gets moved? ok, then we can get that new instant chat till then :)
17:37 <wrtlprnft> g2g now, cya
17:37 <ghableska> cu
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17:46 <joda_bot> gn8
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17:47 <joda_bot> z-man: oh dam
17:48 <joda_bot> z-man: what's the error message ? are you using code blocks ?
17:48 <z-man> joda_bot: yes, code::blocks, but not the nightly
17:48 <z-man> it worked well until now
17:49 <z-man> it says it can't find icons/<some icon file that definitiely is there>
17:49 <joda_bot> It's from the armagetronad.rc
17:49 <z-man> maybe the path is interpreted relative to the location of the project file?
17:49 <joda_bot> It works on my system
17:50 <joda_bot> z-man: no, it's not ony my system ... that was what really confused me
17:50 <z-man> Maybe you have old files lying around somewhere?
17:50 <joda_bot> hm...
17:50 <z-man> Like, when you moved the contents of win32 into win32/code_blocks, you moved the icon files, too?
17:51 <joda_bot> ok try ..\\ in armagetronad
17:51 <joda_bot> .rc
17:51 <z-man> will take a while, computer is already powered down, and I'm playing on Luci's server :)
17:51 <wrtlbot> KDE: BUGS:129662
17:52 <joda_bot> z-man: ah don't bother then ;)
17:52 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=1404
17:52 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: We might contact the auther and ask him for the modified smpeg sources
17:52 <ghableska>
17:53 <Vanhayes>
17:54 <joda_bot> #message Lucifer_arma You can read about the MP3 problem here: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=1404 ... the author of the patch modified his smpeg source to make smpeg understand 4 or 6 channel audio... and I'm not sure there even is a windows backend for multi surround audio (only the alsa one?)
17:54 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
18:02 <z-man> joda_bot: seems to work, I'll commit and restart the build
18:02 <z-man> wrtlprnft: sorry, no new instant chats then :) Put them into the trunk.
18:02 <z-man> GAAA! No.
18:03 <z-man> #later tell joda_bot now I'm getting errors from the reverted directx headers
18:03 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
18:03 <z-man> I'
18:03 <z-man> I'll post them on the forum
18:04 <joda_bot> z-man: uh, I did not commit those ?
18:04 <joda_bot> did I
18:04 <z-man> The first error is a missing d3dtypes.h
18:05 <joda_bot> stupid me, I did not want to commit them
18:05 <joda_bot> sorry I'll add the rest
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit, I like that map a lot
18:06 <spidey> me to
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5007 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/directx/include/ (d3dtypes.h directx.h): missing directx header files - directx header are from libsdl site
18:06 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5007 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/directx/include/ (d3dtypes.h directx.h): missing directx header files - directx header are from libsdl site
18:06 <spidey> i also like the lag cause it doesn't really affect me xD
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, it'll be in 0.3.0 :)
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> except for bandwidth limiting, I've taken all the steps I can, I think
18:07 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: z-man * r5008 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/win32/armagetron.rc: Adapted paths to icon files, project files got moved.
18:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5008 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/win32/armagetron.rc: Adapted paths to icon files, project files got moved.
18:10 <z-man> New build started from 5008, this time checking whether the Windows build works before going throught the whole process...
18:11 <joda_bot> I'm sorry, I really messed that up :(
18:12 <z-man> Never mind.
18:13 * z-man too, as you'll see in a second :)
18:13 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: z-man * r5009 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Next go at ChangeLog regeneration...
18:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5009 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/Makefile.manual: Next go at ChangeLog regeneration...
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think I should go ahead and do map rotation again, but this time make all the maps variations on this one
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> so it'll still have the same basic layout, and you can build a core of tactics around the base, but each match
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get some minor differences, so the team that wins the most consistently will be the one that has the best core tactics,
18:14 <z-man> With mean little traps in different positions for each round? :)
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> and can adapt them the best to map changes
18:15 <z-man> Like rim walls that are not completely parallel to the axes?
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm trying to work out a way to build a wall behind the fortress zones that's riddled with holes so the goalie has a hard time grinding it,
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> lets attackers in easily, like a one-way wall
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> seems easy enough, give the attackers something to guide them through the holes :)
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> first I need to rescale the map to make it 500x500, so I can use reasonable and predictable size_factors on it
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's 1200x1200 currently :(
18:18 <z-man> Since it has more teams, it should be a bit bigger than normal, I think
18:18 <z-man> So give it a size factor of -2 and scale it down to 600x600 that way, and everyone is happy
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not going to chop that wing off completely, I think. Instead I'm going to shorten it and bring it back to the inverted cross layout it used to have
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> and remove the zone and spawn point, of course
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> and you're right, it does have to be bigger than normal, the play area is much smaller
18:20 * Lucifer_arma remembers sneaking through K's defense multiple times through the little side passages, heh
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> he kept setting it up in front of them. :/
18:20 <z-man> Yeah, alternative paths are cool.
18:21 <joda_bot> hm, with unaligned wall armagetron some reminds me of early versions of quake
18:21 <joda_bot> where you get stuck on the wall
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> but it should be reasonable to me that a team should be able to take a completely defensive stance and cover most/all approaches if they want
18:21 <joda_bot> perhaps allowing no axis based grinds on those walls would work ?
18:22 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: a team of enough players, certainly.
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, the server's limited to 3 players per team, and I think that's probably going to be better than 2 teams of 4 players in the long run
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> so there should be at most 3-5 approaches to a fortress
18:23 <z-man> Which brings up a sad point in multi-team fortress: if you just sit there in the beginning and don't attack, you succeed way more often than if you do the same in two team fortress.
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> now, the approaches themselves can vary in their relative ease to both attack and defend
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll try to address that in map design :)
18:25 <z-man> One way streets would be cool
18:25 <z-man> you could fake them with narrow passages with turns that have walls arranged so that you can use rubber to help when going in one direction, but not in the other
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> right, so to defend it you'd have to close up one end or the other, but you can't defend from inside the passage
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> a simple funnel would set that up, with some dashed lines going down it
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, no dashed lines
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> right now I think that map gives many advantages to a defensive team, many more than they have on a regular square map
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> the teams taht lost were the ones that were too aggressive in attacking, it looked like
18:28 <z-man> Maybe we should link attack and defense?
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> and there was a certain amount of greed, that was interesting. :) When I came upon the third teams fortress with a person from the second team attacking,
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> we attacked each other first before attacking the third team's fortress
18:28 <z-man> So if your team attacks no enemy zone, the defender gets weaker and weaker
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> how would you link attack and defense?
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, seems like detection would be pretty tricky
18:29 <z-man> Dunno :) Hack at the fortress zone code.
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> could do something where you have a reservoir that has to drain (sorta what it has already), and you get a boost in absolute value to that reservoir when an enemy zone is conquered
18:30 <z-man> The fortress attack and defense bookkeping should have all the information needed, provided you interpret "attack" as "touch an enemy zone once in a while"
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we could strengthen defense when you're attacking
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> instead of weakening it for not attacking
18:31 <z-man> Or every bit of reservoir you steal from the enemy gets added to yours?
18:31 <z-man> That would even be logical.
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it would. :)
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> so if you are attacking another team's zone and he's attacking yours, and there's no goalie in either, you still cancel it
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> it'd be like remote-control sumo!
18:32 <z-man> Hmm, it shouldn't cancel completely, then :)
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> then the death zone picks the winner
18:32 <z-man> Or there'd be a deadlock in such a situation.
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, having the fortress conquer itself slowly might help some, but clearly a setting is called for here to match the attack/defense settings
18:33 <z-man> I'd actually let the fortress zones on Bugfarm move towards each other slowly, if it wasn't such a big hack.
18:34 <z-man> Right, it stands to reason that some of the energy you steal gets lost on the way to your zone.
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> sure does, call it wall resistance or something like that
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> measure it in ohms :)
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> but it has the net effect of helping your goalie if you can attack the team's zone that's currently attacking your goalie
18:35 <z-man> I'm not sure whether this would solve the problem of teams not attacking, though.
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure that's going to be a hge problem when the death zone really kicks in
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> I changed the death zone settings to let it expand pretty quickly
18:35 <z-man> After all, once you conquered an enemy zone, the defense bonus from it will be gone forever, and if your defense is in trouble, your own zone will go down before you can rush home
18:36 <wrtlbot> KDE: BUG: 102008
18:36 <z-man> Yes, make it like an explosion!
18:36 <z-man> What does wrtlbot count there?
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you add in a huge bonus for conquering a zone, then taking a zone and then returning to yours might help a lot
18:37 <z-man> If conquest rates are low enough, yes.
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> or rather, you could give a bonus for conquering a zone, like a sudden burst of energy, the might put enough in your own reservoir to give you time to return
18:38 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be returning to your own zone against a prepared defense, though, but on the map I've got, time to return to your zone is also time to attack another zone
18:38 <Lucifer_arma> so take a 1 v 1 situation with all three fortresses, the other guy attacks yours, you attack the third fortress
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> your fortress is defended by your attack, then gets a huge boost, giving you time to move towards the other guy's fortress
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> and you can win the round, the whole time he's in your zone waiting for it to turn over
18:39 <z-man> May just work
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> another thing to consider. :)
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> make it so that if you're in another team's fortress, the death zone doesn't kill you
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> but if you're in your own, it kills you of course
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18:41 <Lucifer_arma> so when the death zone comes, the advantage goes to the offense. If you're sumoing someone, the death zone rolls over him and leaves you alone
18:42 <z-man> Sounds nice.
18:43 <z-man> Could be a bit more difficult, because the death zone doesn't knwo about the fortress zones. They're in the same file, so changing that shouldn't be a big problem.
18:44 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice to know what phillippe's got in mind for zones interacting with each other
18:47 <Lucifer_arma> seems like we can check for number of fortresses, number of players per team, and number of players in fortresses
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> like, if there's 3 fortresses, 1 player on each team, and each player is in their home fortress, that would be a detectable condition
18:48 <z-man> Yeah, what we've been discussing is rather stuff for philippe's system and not to be hacked into the current systen
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that simple hacks would hurt to have in the current system, especially if they're just hacks on my server whose only purpose is to test the idea :)
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> but other than that, yeah, I wonder how much phillippe's managed to do with it so far
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18:51 <Lucifer_arma> we have this problem in a few places where something's being rewritten, and we want to add stuff to it in the meantime, how do we do that? :(
18:52 * Lucifer_arma points out that if you put jalapenos in chinese food, you will eat a *lot* of food
18:53 <z-man> what are jalapenos?
18:53 <Lucifer_arma> chili pepper, very common in Texas and the southwest and Mexico :)
18:54 * z-man is falling into bed anyway. Barely managed to post an "build will be up any moment now" post...
18:54 <Lucifer_arma> you know that all chili peppers originated in north america, right? Somehow some of them got adopted in China and some other eastern regions
18:54 <joda_bo1> z-man: So windows is still broken :(
18:54 <z-man> I'd have suspected south america
18:54 <Lucifer_arma> but jalapenos have stayed here, mostly. I used some to substitute for thai chilis in a dinner last night
18:55 <z-man> No, it works.
18:55 <Lucifer_arma> Mexico, afaik.
18:55 <joda_bo1> ah puh ;)
18:55 <Lucifer_arma> maybe south america has lots of chilis too, I don't know. :)
18:55 <z-man> joda_bo1: But did you disable copying of the doc directory? I had to do that manually, and didn't have to the last time around.
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, jalapenos are a green variety, generally, about thumb-sized. Not very flavorful, but they carry a good amount of fire, so I don't eat them much,
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> but they made an excellent substitute for thai chilis (the store was sold out of those)
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> only problem is, jalapenos are appetite stimulants, so my wife and I ended up eating nearly twice as much as we usually do and still felt hungry
18:57 <z-man> ah.
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> and hence the reason many Mexicans are overweight. :)
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> (I don't eat them much because they're not flavorful, I like fire in my food :) )
19:01 * Lucifer_arma wonders what kind of meat he's supposed to put in these wontons
19:07 * z-man really is in bed now. Builds are up.
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> 'night z-man
19:10 <joda_bo1> gn8
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20:07 <Luke-Jr> BTW, if the site has issues, my # is (913) 674-4395
20:08 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I don't like the multi-axes fortress much either, except chico
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I don't like chico, heh
20:08 <Luke-Jr> I liked Chico better as 16 (or 32?) axes
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I figured out how to make the password file work
20:08 <Luke-Jr> when it was supposedly too laggy
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> I really dislike chico a lot, but I'm willing to tolerate it to play some of the other maps there
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotta face it, for light cycles and regular fighting, I don't really like non-standard axes settings.
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> not that I'll begrudge someone else liking it, it's not the same as double-grinding
20:12 <Luke-Jr> BTW
20:12 <Luke-Jr> Subversion's FSFS more-or-less supports network filesystems if they do file locking
20:12 <Luke-Jr> if we can find a good distributed filesystem w/ locking, it should be simple to setup redundant servers
20:14 <Luke-Jr> obviously the filesystem would need to handle a node or two dying too ;)
20:16 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5010 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: fixed missing line break
20:16 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5010 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: fixed missing line break
20:18 <Luke-Jr> eg, network RAID-1
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: do we really need wrtlbot doubling every commit message? ;)
20:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: can the bots be made to filter for something and execute a command on hachi when it matches?
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> xml-rpc is the answer to that question
20:19 <Luke-Jr> <.<
20:20 <Luke-Jr> why not SSH?
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> should be fairly straightforward to come up with a regex that looks for what you want, and then use xml-rpc to execute a command
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because os.system() calls are blocking, and to write the code non-blocking is a pain
20:20 <Luke-Jr> oh
20:20 <Luke-Jr> xml-rpc calls aren't?
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> and it should be non-blocking, since your server takes so long to respond to requests :)
20:21 <Luke-Jr> Python doesn't support forking?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> writing them to be nonblocking is easier
20:21 <Luke-Jr> hachi takes long?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> always has.... maybe the upgrade sped it up, I haven't checked
20:21 <Luke-Jr> hachi hasn't always existed
20:21 <Luke-Jr> it's been here since a week or so ago
20:22 <Luke-Jr> tsurukikun should be slow
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> should be nonblocking anyway for ssh calls
20:22 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.16-gentoo-r8/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.897 MHz) - Processes: 291 - Uptime: 2d 15h 12m - Users: 98 - Load Average: 1.25 - Memory Usage: 2706MB/1003MB (269%)
20:22 <Luke-Jr> hachi shouldn't, it has plenty of free RAM
20:22 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> because ssh itself carries plenty of overhead
20:22 <Luke-Jr> so Python can't do fork?
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> python can fork
20:22 <Luke-Jr> so why not do that?
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> but that's not the way to make it nonblocking if you don't want to get a headache from it
20:23 <Luke-Jr> #!/bin/bash nohup ssh ... >/dev/null &
20:23 <Luke-Jr> :)
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose you could do the same thing for either xml-rpc or an os.system call, since all I'm talking about is spawning a thread that dies when it's over
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> spawning threads are very lightweight and will make the call non-blocking for all intents and purposes
20:24 <Luke-Jr> ok
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> what command do you want anyway?
20:24 <Luke-Jr> /var/www/armagetronad/beta/scripts/update or something like that
20:24 <Luke-Jr> not sure the new hiearchy to use for the AA related sites
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah,, the other thing is permissions, but that's your problem. :) With xml-rpc, you'd have a little php script running to handle it,
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> and you could consolidate permissions, but you'd need to protect the php script itself somehow
20:25 <Luke-Jr> well, that's simple
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> python has good xml-rpc support, which is why I suggested it
20:25 <Luke-Jr> ssh armagetronad@hachi ...
20:25 <Luke-Jr> and just use a key
20:25 <Luke-Jr> and allow the key only to execute the update cmd
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, like I say, it's your problem. :) armabot runs under a special user account for me, which has a home directory, so I can put stuff in there as needed
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> come up with a regex and the commandline you want executed and I'll throw it in there
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> I assume you're wanting to filter on commit messages specifically?
20:29 <Luke-Jr> yes-- as opposed to what? O.o
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, just that anything else is a bit tougher and would require me to learn more about supybot :)
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20:43 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5011 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/batch/ (Makefile.am armagetronad-password.py):
20:43 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5011 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/batch/ (Makefile.am armagetronad-password.py):
20:43 <armabot> armagetronad: Added little python program to generate password files for the web
20:43 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: Added little python program to generate password files for the web
20:43 <armabot> armagetronad: server.
20:43 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: server.
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> BUG testing
20:43 <wrtlbot> BUG testing
20:44 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf wtf
20:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
20:44 <Luke-Jr> s/fuck/fsck
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf fsck
20:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: fsck: nothing appropriate
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf fuck
20:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: fuck: nothing appropriate
20:44 <Luke-Jr> #whatis fsck
20:44 <Luke-Jr> #list whatis
20:44 <armabot> Luke-Jr: Error: 'whatis' is not a valid plugin.
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list unix
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #rtfm fsck
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list user
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list util
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: Error: 'util' is not a valid plugin.
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list utilities
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
20:45 <Luke-Jr> #list services
20:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5012 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/batch/armagetronad-password.py:
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Forgot to add a reminder to update config for the password program.
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: server_name in settings_web.cfg has to match the domain you gave
20:46 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5012 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/batch/armagetronad-password.py:
20:46 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: Forgot to add a reminder to update config for the password program.
20:46 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: server_name in settings_web.cfg has to match the domain you gave
20:46 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: the password program.
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: the password program.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft does wrtlbot really have to double every commit message?
20:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:46 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: can't the webserver use ADMIN_PASS?
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> nope
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> because the webserver gets a hash of user:domain:password from the web browser, and it has to match that with what's in its password file
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> now, in time the password program can keep admin_pass and the webserver's password in sync
20:47 <Luke-Jr> erm
20:48 <Luke-Jr> and we can't generate user:domain:ADMIN_PASS?
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> #unload CIA
20:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft I unloaded the cia plugin for armabot so we'll stop getting flooded with every commit message
20:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:48 <Luke-Jr> pretty sure I've done that before
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> generating it is easy, getting the webserver to accept it is something else entirely
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a big deal, really. Do you want everyone who has admin_pass to have access to the webserver?
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe there's a way to do it, maybe we can hack shttpd to allow it and send him the patch again, he's already taken a couple of patches from me
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> you're welcome to beat on it, you like plain C after all, and shttpd is that :)
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> while you're at it, can you make mountpoints scan multiple directories? So I can mount multiple directories up under /resource?
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's important that resource/included be there so a newer server can serve new resources that come with the game to older clients,
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> but we really need another place for server admins to put their own custom resources
20:59 <Luke-Jr> there is one
21:00 <Luke-Jr> the normal resource dir
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> right, but if I say MAP_FILE Lucifer/sick/something.xml , then the client will look at http://myplace/resource/Lucifer/sick/something.xml
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> so right now the resource root on the embedded webserver points at included because that's how it's organized there
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> if I say MAP_FILE included/therest , it won't work
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> so the embedded webserver has to expose the path that you've required us to use (heh) from multiple directories
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> it should probably include even its own automatic directory, so if it downloads a resource from somewhere, it can serve it
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man does SERVER_DNS work now? I'd like to use it with the embedded web server...
21:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:15 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: if it downloads the resource from somewhere, the client will also be trying that somewhere ;)
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> last, after the client has already pegged the web server itself for the file
21:16 <Luke-Jr> do we even support multiple repositories?
21:19 <Luke-Jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64931#64931
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> yay, embedded web server doesn't use its own config file anymore
21:40 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5013 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
21:40 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: Embedded web server now loads its config from arma's regular config
21:40 <wrtlbot> armagetronad: system instead of its own.
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't edit the wiki anymore :(
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22:00 <spidey> O_o
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23:19 <wrtlprnft> hrmpf
23:19 <wrtlprnft> forgot to plug my notebook in
23:19 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Lucifer_arma sorry, that was
23:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Lucifer_arma sorry, that wasn't intended, i thought i unloaded that plugin for my bot, sorry
23:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok, I reloaded after you dropped from the server :)
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I wrote a little python program to generate passwords for the webserver
23:24 <wrtlprnft> is 5009 rolling now or still stalled?
23:24 <wrtlprnft> and, did i miss anything?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> up, I think
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's up
23:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm, searching for a key to bind the new instant chat key to: would you mind return, just for the development releases?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> it's the next logical key to go to, after backspace
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> that would be a problem if the game processes the return as an instant chat when you hit return after typing something into chat
23:26 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't, lemme test
23:27 <wrtlprnft> uh, test delayed, it's compiling everything again
23:28 <wrtlprnft> no, it doesn't :)
23:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm, did someone change the floor color? i like it :)
23:30 <wrtlprnft> i might actually switch from the old green now, this color looks like a nice change
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> I think someone did, and it looks pretty good.
23:33 * Lucifer_arma notes that it's nearly the same as the colors he suggested way back when :)
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters that much, but sometimes its fun to say "I told you so!"
23:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> any preferences what colors to use for the instant chat key?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> "0xff0000Only idiots0x00ff00 write in0x0000ff color all0xffff00 the time!",
23:35 <wrtlprnft> that's what i have right now
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> awwww, shttpd expects to get the template as a complete file :(
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to break it up into multiple files
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any preferences for colors :)
23:36 <wrtlprnft> let's pick some annoying pastell tomes
23:36 <wrtlprnft> *tones
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I also like the noise that's in the grid walls now
23:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:36 <wrtlprnft> i think i'll scrap the old textures :)
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I like the default setup enough that I'm not using my moviepack anymore
23:37 * wrtlprnft can't use moviepacks :(
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> ? why not?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> fps?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> it screws up the floor, badly
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'd say turn the floor off, but I really like the mirror effect
23:38 <wrtlprnft> it's because it wants to load it with transparency for the moviepack, and my GL driver doesn't like that
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, ok.
23:39 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screenshot_1.png
23:40 <wrtlprnft> don't be afraid to click it, it's tiny
23:43 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5014 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added new instant chat key, "Only idiots write in color all the time!" (in annoying colors)
23:45 <wrtlprnft> 18:02 <z-man> wrtlprnft: sorry, no new instant chats then :) Put them into the trunk.
23:45 <wrtlprnft> and of course i read that AFTER i committed
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man* sorry, I committed my new chat string to 0.3.0, i only read your message later. Can you do one last merge?
23:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:53 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-06-24:
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00:00 <Vanhayes> #goodbye
00:00 <armabot> Goodbye Vanhayes :(
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02:26 <spider_> mm
02:26 <spider_> ice caps are melting faster now O_o
02:27 <spider_> 94 years they say they'll be melted :s
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02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5015 /armagetronad/trunk/ (29 files in 14 dirs): (log message trimmed)
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 4992 to 5014:
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: r5014 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-24 06:43:47 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: Added new instant chat key, "Only idiots write in color all the time!" (in annoying colors)
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: r5013 | davidfancella | 2006-06-24 04:40:56 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 3 lines
02:50 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5016 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/major_version: Bumped version down to 0.3 so trunk versions differ from stabilizing branch versions.
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5017 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gAIBase.cpp gCycle.cpp): (log message trimmed)
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 4966 to 5015:
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: r4994 | z-man | 2006-06-23 11:03:52 +0200 (Fri, 23 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed clientside phasing bug that is fatal when playing on pre-0.2.7.1 servers. The bug was caused by the bugfix for enemy cycles getting stuck after a turn.
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:54 <armabot> armagetronad: r4969 | z-man | 2006-06-22 19:17:06 +0200 (Thu, 22 Jun 2006) | 1 line
03:14 <spider_> O_o
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04:50 <Lucifer_arma> I love my chinese cookbook!
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05:25 <spider__> O_o
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05:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5018 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: VisualC compatibility
05:28 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5019 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:
05:28 <armabot> armagetronad: VisualC compatibility
05:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Fancy name filtering is no longer done in client mode
05:28 <armabot> armagetronad: replaced isspace calls with isblank
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05:35 <Lucifer_arma> I love my chinese cookbook!
05:35 * Lucifer_arma is eating homemade wontons
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05:48 <joda_bot> #hi
05:48 <joda_bot> hm, what was the command to ... ah
05:48 <joda_bot> #greet
05:48 <wejp> hi
05:48 <wejp> this count-down voice and the sound after that at the beginning of every round in 0.3 is so annoying, is there any way to disable that without disabling sound?
05:49 <joda_bot> hehe
05:49 <joda_bot> try to rename the sound files ;)
05:49 <wejp> is that the only way to do that?
05:49 <joda_bot> I guess
05:49 <wejp> hm okay
05:50 <wejp> oh and where have the motors sounds gone?
05:50 * spidey pokes joda
05:50 <joda_bot> wejp: It's basically a advertisement for better sounds ;)
05:50 <joda_bot> wejp: Lucifer_arma is rebuilding the sound engine so it will take a while until that's back
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
05:50 <wejp> ah ok, just wanted to know if it will be back
05:50 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma Random Fortune: I am a deeply superficial person. -Andy Warhol
05:50 <spidey> #afternoon
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the motor's gone for now
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> and it'll be back
05:51 * joda_bot tickles spidey by driving a cycle over his feet
05:51 <wejp> ok :)
05:51 <spidey> :o
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> the whistle is damned annoying, I'm so mad at myself for digging it up and putting it in there
05:51 <spidey> LOL
05:51 <wejp> yeah it is
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, I intend to make some sounds configurable, the ones likely to be most annoying
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> then it'll be sound on/off and music on/off
05:52 <wejp> it would be good no matter what sound it will be in the end to be able to turn of those sounds independently
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> but it'll be a little bit, I've got a lot of work to do before the motor will be back, could be 0.3.4 before that happens
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it wouldn't make sense to turn off "2", but not "3" or "1". :)
05:52 * spidey doesn't play with sounds O_o
05:52 <wejp> ok yeah, but turn of the count down and whistle without the need to turn of all other sounds as well
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, you can save blank sound files over them, download Audacity and generate a quarter second of silence
05:53 <wejp> yeah
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's what I mean about some sounds you'll be able to turn off
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> like groups of sounds
05:53 <wejp> ok
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> so like "announcer's annoying calls during the round" is a group of sounds :)
05:53 <wejp> ;)
05:53 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: what happens if you just remove the files ?
05:54 <spidey> crash?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: it *should* just work
05:54 <spidey> i have a spare .3 install O_o
05:54 * joda_bot thinkgs that's easier than making a silence sound file ;)
05:54 <spidey> want me to see?
05:54 <joda_bot> spidey: try
05:54 <spidey> k,sec
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, actually it used to be that there were 10 sounds loaded, but only 5 sound files. wrtlprnft asked me to comment out the calls for the others because they filled up the console with warnings,
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> covering up important console output
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> however, it's only really tested in LInux :)
05:55 <spidey> mm
05:55 <spidey> seems to work
05:55 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: the file API seems to be pretty stable
05:56 <wejp> oh btw, i've tried to turn of sounds and would not have found the option for that unless somebody told me where to find it. i think "sound quality" is not the right place to put that option
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's where it's always been :)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> but you're right
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> the ui for sounds is going to change a lot
05:56 <wejp> ah okay
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05:57 <wejp> i didn't realize until now that it was always there because i've never tried to disable sounds before ;)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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05:57 <spidey> pl
05:57 <spidey> ok
05:57 <spidey> warning
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, "no sound" is just Really Really Bad Sound, isn't it?
05:57 <spidey> don't remove the fuckin sound files
05:57 <spidey> O_o
05:57 <wejp> doesn't it work?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: did it tear down your whole computer?
05:57 <wejp> heh
05:57 <spidey> crashed
05:58 <spidey> had to reboot
05:58 <wejp> oh
05:58 <wejp> hm, even if it will not run without those files, it should complain about missing files instead of crashing
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, tht's what it does in linux
05:58 <wejp> ah fine :)
05:59 <spidey> i dunno
05:59 <spidey> maybe it was cause i was running a registry scan in the background
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> sound loading is going to be replaced, it's first on my list after 0.3.0 is out. We'll load the sounds ourselves and then feed them to sdl_mixer, or we'll feed silence, or whatever.
05:59 <spidey> but it hung the whole system up
06:00 * Lucifer_arma made homemade wontons and they were really good
06:13 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I looked into SDL's Channel Implementation yesterday and the only backend that supports multi channels is linux
06:13 <joda_bot> (alsa to be more specific)
06:13 <joda_bot> Might be Mac OS supports it somehow
06:13 <joda_bot> but there is no Windows Implementation
06:13 <joda_bot> just two for 2 channel sound
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer is 4 parts suck and 1 part not-suck
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fancy plan I've got ends with an openAL implementation anyway, so don't sweat it too much if sdl_mixer sucks intolerably for you
06:46 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Just found out that they seem to have fixed the windows channel things in SVN ... not the MP3 stuff AFAIK
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06:53 <spidey> yay
06:53 <spidey> i got a fortress server O_o
06:53 <spidey> it's not showing on the list though
06:53 <spidey> but i can custom connect
06:54 <spidey> nvm i know what it is
06:54 <spidey> O_o
06:58 <spidey> someone tell me if they see Spidey-Fortress on the master list
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07:10 <joda_bot> spidey: the question answered itself i guess ;)
07:10 <spidey> yea
07:10 <spidey> hey how do i disable AI's from joining when one team is outnumbereD?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> turn them off?
07:11 <spidey> >.>
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> type "team" in the console and pick one from the list, it'll be obvious
07:11 <joda_bot> auto_balance_with_ais 0
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> something_BALANCE_something
07:11 <Luke-Jr> why does our 'make install' structure contain .svn dirs?
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> BUG our make install structure contains .svn dirs
07:13 <spidey> ohhhhhh
07:13 <spidey> the mac version
07:13 <spidey> is missing fortress files
07:14 <spidey> was wondering why it was weird O_o
07:14 <spidey> include examples/fortress_soccer.cfg
07:14 <spidey> that one
07:15 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5020 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/www-root/ (Makefile.am admin/ admin/README css/ css/admin.css):
07:15 <armabot> armagetronad: More work on web interface, now you can actually type in console
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> tht sucks
07:15 <armabot> armagetronad: commands, yay.
07:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5021 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): More isspace->isblank replacements.
07:52 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: If I select 4 channel sound and use the SDL_AUDIODRIVER=waveout then I get a crash ...
07:52 <joda_bot> There is no sound playing at startup and the crash happens once you press play next track ingame
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08:43 <philippeqc> hi
08:49 <spidey> O_o
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09:05 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
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09:06 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft
09:06 <philippeqc> how are you
09:07 <wrtlprnft> good :)
09:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, can you try to get rid of that boost dependency? Installing boost on my server took me half a day
09:08 <philippeqc> darn, now that I've invested so many weeks to fix collections for tvalue::base, I dont recall how I planned to use them ;) I know the general idea, but I cant recall how specifically.
09:08 <philippeqc> just gotten your msg about boost
09:08 <philippeqc> REALLY?
09:09 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:09 <wrtlprnft> one single gcc process took more memory than my server had
09:09 <wrtlprnft> imagine the trashing
09:10 <philippeqc> ouch
09:10 <philippeqc> here it was a mandriva package, just installed it (IIRC) But I'm sure I didnt need toc ompile anything
09:10 <wrtlprnft> gentoo :)
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09:23 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Challenge_Room&curid=1981&diff=9121&oldid=8201&rcid=8121
09:23 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with that suggestion?
09:23 <wrtlprnft> oh, nevermind
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10:38 <spidey> mmm
10:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex "^...$" --nolimit
10:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '^...$' is not a valid regular expression.
10:54 <wrtlprnft> yes it is?!
10:54 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex "..." --nolimit
10:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '...' is not a valid regular expression.
10:54 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /^...$/ --nolimit
10:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [10:38:05] <spidey> mmm, [08:49:04] <spidey> O_o, [07:11:22] <spidey> >.>, [07:10:35] <spidey> yea, [06:54:05] <spidey> O_o, [06:53:36] <spidey> yay, [05:58:01] <wejp> heh, [05:57:39] <spidey> O_o, [05:51:33] <spidey> LOL, [05:48:40] <joda_bot> #hi, [05:25:35] <spider__> O_o, [03:14:20] <spider_> O_o, [22:43:11] <Vanhayes> lol, [22:00:41] <spidey> O_o, [20:48:28] <Luke-Jr> erm, (9 more messages)
10:54 <spidey> ?
10:54 <wrtlprnft> just for fun
10:54 <spidey> lol
10:54 <wrtlprnft> 3-letter lines are usually the most useless ones
10:55 <spidey> i don't get how that was fonkay
10:55 <spidey> the ip traced back to california
10:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: she called me chanuck all the time...
10:55 <spidey> in public or in private message?
10:55 * wrtlprnft doesn't know where fonkay lives
10:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: public messages
10:55 <spidey> cause fonaky knows who blaze is
10:55 <spidey> and she clearly didn't
10:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> i had the impression she did
10:56 <spidey> no
10:56 <spidey> because when i said who i was
10:56 <spidey> she said
10:56 <spidey> spidey?
10:56 <spidey> also
10:56 <spidey> she said
10:56 <spidey> "does blaze even know my real name"
10:56 <spidey> and fonkay lives in canada
11:01 * wrtlprnft doesn't know how far california is from canada
11:02 * wrtlprnft doesn't care about US geography
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11:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man: do bugfixes go into 0.3.0 or the trunk now?
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11:26 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:28 <spidey> ...
11:28 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #...
11:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:28:57] <wrtlprnft> ..., [11:28:18] <spidey> ..., [11:26:08] <wrtlprnft> ..., [10:54:51] <spidey> lol, [10:38:05] <spidey> mmm, [08:49:04] <spidey> O_o, [07:11:22] <spidey> >.>, [07:10:35] <spidey> yea, [06:54:05] <spidey> O_o, [06:53:36] <spidey> yay, [05:58:01] <wejp> heh, [05:57:39] <spidey> O_o, [05:51:33] <spidey> LOL, [05:48:40] <joda_bot> #hi, [05:25:35] <spider__> O_o, (9 more messages)
11:29 <spidey> bah
11:30 <spidey> constipation (n=lait@tor/session/external/x-aba540c30ddca39b) has joined #armagetron
11:30 <spidey> wtf
11:30 <spidey> is that some kind of v-host?
11:30 <wrtlprnft> no
11:30 <spidey> ...
11:30 <wrtlprnft> you can tell freenode to hide your hostmask
11:30 <spidey> yea
11:30 <spidey> that's called a v-host :p
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11:31 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:31 <guru3> for the life of me
11:31 <guru3> i can't find a decent proxy located in england
11:41 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do you think your "technique" of maping text labels to functions could be abused to call constructors to childs of the same base class?
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11:48 * philippeqc is reading chapter 15 of annotations
11:56 * philippeqc thinks that though constructor prototype dont have return type, they return something, and that difference might make it impossible to create the desired mecanism
11:56 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ?
11:57 <philippeqc> in cCockpit and co, you often use map<tString, other> as a base for a selection among many.
11:58 <philippeqc> I was curious if I could use a similar mecanism to select among child constructors of the same parent class.
11:58 <philippeqc> rather than having a long " else if " serie
11:59 <wrtlprnft> aaah
11:59 <wrtlprnft> that's factories
11:59 <wrtlprnft> in every child class you put something like this:
12:00 <wrtlprnft> static Child *CreateObj(params) {
12:00 <wrtlprnft> return new Child(params);
12:00 <wrtlprnft> }
12:00 <wrtlprnft> err, no
12:00 <philippeqc> ok
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12:00 <wrtlprnft> static Base *CreateObj(params) {
12:00 <wrtlprnft> return new Child(params);
12:00 <wrtlprnft> }
12:00 <philippeqc> ok
12:01 <wrtlprnft> and then you can store those functions as callbacks within your maps
12:01 <philippeqc> and my type is now " Base * (Base::*fac)(param) "
12:02 <wrtlprnft> leave out the Base::
12:02 <philippeqc> ?
12:02 <wrtlprnft> it's a static function
12:02 <wrtlprnft> you don't need it
12:02 <philippeqc> ooo
12:02 <philippeqc> ok
12:02 <wrtlprnft> if you make it Base::, it won't be able to hold a Child:: function pointer
12:03 <philippeqc> yes, that was my concern
12:05 * wrtlprnft wonders why the c++ annotations don't mention factories
12:05 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is 0.3.0 closed now and do bugfixes go to the trunk again?
13:18 <z-man> wrtlprnft: ask the release manager.
13:19 <z-man> I think Lucifer_arma wants 0.3.0 out soon, but I'd also say he wouldn't mind the one or other bugfix to be squeezed in.
13:19 <z-man> I think he even committed one himself after the alpha went out.
13:29 <z-man> Oh, and no matter what: bugfixes in 0.3.0 will be merged to the trunk independent from whether they get into the release.
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13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5022 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5015 to 5021:
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: r5021 | z-man | 2006-06-24 14:37:25 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 1 line
13:36 <armabot> armagetronad: More isspace->isblank replacements.
13:36 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:36 <armabot> armagetronad: r5019 | z-man | 2006-06-24 12:28:13 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 3 lines
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13:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok, i have the bug, but the fix is nowhere in sight yet
13:47 <wrtlprnft> it's that on the player list in the server browser wrapping is broken
13:51 <z-man> Only the player list or all wrappings?
13:52 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma I'm getting an error with your latest commit in www-root: "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `admin/admin.html', needed by `all-am'. Stop." could it be you forgot to add some files?
13:52 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
13:52 * z-man will time out again
14:05 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man weirdly, only the player list. Even the server description which is in the same text field, gets wrapped correctly
14:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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14:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * www-aabeta/releases.php: added 0.3.0_alpha5009
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14:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5023 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/eDisplay.cpp:
14:15 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed a bug with my graphics driver. At settings of GRID_SIZE != 0 the floor wouldn't be displayed.
14:15 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:15 <armabot> armagetronad: I fixed it by not stretching the floor texture in the z- axis, hopefully not breaking something else
14:16 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes
14:16 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft
14:17 * wrtlprnft can't wait for that fix to be merged into the trunk so he can finally have a GRID_SIZE other than 1
14:17 <wrtlprnft> the grid appears to small with my camera settings
14:18 <wrtlprnft> *too
14:30 <Vanhayes> lol wrtlprnft do you remember when I said I saw that upside down ! appear in the score table a few days ago?
14:31 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5161
14:31 <Vanhayes> that was the guy, I must have got the i confused with the upside down !
14:36 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: z-man found the bug now, but it won't get fixed in 0.3.0
14:37 <wrtlprnft> it'll be fixed in 0.2.8.3 and 0.3.1
14:38 <Vanhayes> was it only a windows problem?
14:38 <wrtlprnft> it depended on some systemwide setting
14:38 <wrtlprnft> which has a different default on winxp and most other systems
14:38 <wrtlprnft> at least that's how i understand it
14:39 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
14:39 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
14:39 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
14:39 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
14:39 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
14:39 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: the inverse-!-bug is found
14:39 <wrtlprnft> it'll be fixed in 0.2.8.3 and 0.3.1
14:39 <ghableska> what caused it?
14:39 <wrtlprnft> isspace()
14:40 <ghableska> oh
14:40 * ghableska just downloaded the new alpha
14:40 <wrtlprnft> won't fix it
14:40 <ghableska> I know
14:40 <wrtlprnft> we're not gonna fix it since it's not a critical bug
14:40 <ghableska> but I like the new player labels
14:40 <wrtlprnft> in that version, that is
14:40 <wrtlprnft> it'll be fixed in 0.2.8.3 and 0.3.1
14:41 <wrtlprnft> (that's the 3rd time i say that :D )
14:41 <ghableska> heh
14:41 <ghableska> when will it be fixed? :P
14:41 <wrtlprnft> it'll be fixed in 0.2.8.3 and 0.3.1
14:41 <Vanhayes> wow the new floor looks wierd
14:41 <wrtlprnft> i like it
14:41 <ghableska> the color is...interesting
14:42 <ghableska> better contrast
14:42 <Vanhayes> brighter
14:42 <Vanhayes> ya
14:42 <wrtlprnft> you can change it, of course
14:42 <wrtlprnft> it's just a setting
14:42 <ghableska> are the walls slightly transparent?
14:42 <wrtlprnft> oh, and bind instant chat key 26 to something
14:42 <ghableska> something about them seems different
14:42 <ghableska> why?
14:43 <Vanhayes> there is no 26
14:43 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: they're not
14:43 <ghableska> ok
14:43 <wrtlprnft> argh, sorry
14:43 <ghableska> o_O
14:43 <wrtlprnft> not in that alpha, in the next one
14:43 <ghableska> ooh
14:43 <wrtlprnft> it came too late
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14:43 * ghableska goes off to close windows
14:43 <ghableska> it's starting to rain :D
14:43 <ghableska> first time in a while
14:43 <wrtlprnft> "0x5aff91Only idiots0xffa962 write in0xc560ff color all0x87dfff the time!",
14:43 <ghableska> ah
14:43 <ghableska> good addition ;)
14:43 <wrtlprnft> that's the new one, and its default binding is the return key
14:44 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
14:44 <ghableska> :(
14:45 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins
14:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Web CIA Poll Lart Insult nickometer Tail Dict Freshmeat Config Markov Channel Relay Acronym Quote Gameknot Dcc WordStats Amazon LogToIrc ChannelStats Anonymous Services News Minstrel User Utilities Darcs Admin Dunno Later ChannelLogger Lookup Ebay Herald Alias Games Karma Praise Time AcronymFinder Babelfish CyborgName darcs Google Math Misc Netcraft Pastebin Nickometer Unix Weather Linux (1 more message)
14:45 <ghableska> #weather 50265
14:45 <wrtlprnft> the cnn pligin seems to be missing
14:45 <ghableska> ah
14:45 <ghableska> #weather
14:45 <wrtlprnft> what does pastebin do?
14:46 -!- wrtlbot [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
14:46 <wrtlprnft> ,load Pastebin
14:46 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "Pastebin" exists.
14:46 <wrtlprnft> ,config supybot.plugins
14:46 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Web CIA Network Insult Note fundb Dict Factoids Internet Config Channel Http String MoobotFactoids Utilities User FunDB Admin Dunno Later Bugs Alias Games Praise Time Fun Protector Google Math Misc Nickometer Unix Owner Seen RSS
14:46 <wrtlprnft> huh, i have less plugins :(
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14:46 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
14:46 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a humid ooze of frothy retch.
14:47 <[NP]Tangent> #weather 80120
14:47 <wrtlprnft> [NP]Tangent: there's a shortcut, #s
14:47 <wrtlprnft> #s
14:47 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a flap-mouthed half-mouthful of fly-bitten guano.
14:47 <[NP]Tangent> haha
14:47 <[NP]Tangent> #G
14:47 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
14:47 <[NP]Tangent> heh
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> #G spideysiq
14:48 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> :D
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> #weather
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> #help weather
14:48 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Error: There is no command "weather".
14:48 <wrtlprnft> #list
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> :(
14:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
14:48 <wrtlprnft> #list services
14:48 <[NP]Tangent> #time
14:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
14:48 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: 02:49 PM, June 24, 2006
14:49 <[NP]Tangent> #web
14:49 <wrtlprnft> #list web
14:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
14:49 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.de/
14:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: This command is disabled (supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum is set to 0).
14:49 <wrtlprnft> STZU
14:49 <[NP]Tangent> #list unix
14:49 <wrtlprnft> #urlquote http://wrtlprnft.de/
14:49 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
14:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http%3A//wrtlprnft.de/
14:50 <wrtlprnft> err
14:50 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf
14:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is TTYL
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: TTYL: talk to you later
14:50 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is spidey
14:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: spidey: nothing appropriate
14:50 <[NP]Tangent> haha
14:50 <ghableska> #wtf is wrtlprnft
14:50 <armabot> ghableska: wrtlprnft: nothing appropriate
14:50 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is LOL
14:50 <ghableska> :P
14:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: LOL: laughing out loud
14:50 <ghableska> #wtf is wtf
14:50 <armabot> ghableska: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
14:50 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is htf
14:50 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: htf: nothing appropriate
14:51 <ghableska> heh
14:51 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is wtz
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is CTF
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: CTF: nothing appropriate
14:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wtz: nothing appropriate
14:51 <ghableska> #wtf is
14:51 <armabot> ghableska: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is poop
14:51 <wrtlprnft> no "What the Zark"?
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: poop: nothing appropriate
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #wtf is crap
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: crap: nothing appropriate
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #list unix
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #spell asdfisdf
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
14:51 <wrtlprnft> #erno 42
14:51 <wrtlprnft> #errno 42
14:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ENOMSG (#42): No message of desired type
14:51 <[NP]Tangent> #unix spell popo
14:51 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Possible spellings for "popo": poop, pop, Pope, pope, pops, Pogo, Polo, pogo, polo, Pippo, Poppy, poppa, poppy, poops, Pip, pip, and opp.
14:52 <[NP]Tangent> #unix spell spidey
14:52 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Possible spellings for "spidey": spider, spied, spidery, speedy, spade, spite, spader, sped, spit, spud, speed, spiry, and side.
14:52 <wrtlprnft> ERRNO 42 should be "no desired question/answer"
14:52 <[NP]Tangent> #unix spell Macintosh
14:52 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: "Macintosh" may be spelled correctly.
14:52 <wrtlprnft> err
14:52 <[NP]Tangent> heh
14:52 <wrtlprnft> ERRNO 42 should be "no question/answer of desired type"
14:53 <ghableska> brb
15:01 <ghableska> #s
15:01 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a malodorous assload of pickled yoo-hoo.
15:01 <spidey> .....
15:01 <spidey> i'm
15:01 <spidey> wore
15:01 <spidey> the
15:01 <spidey> fuck out
15:01 <wrtlprnft> that #insult command should come hardcoded to spidey
15:01 <ghableska> heh
15:02 <spidey> i walked
15:02 * wrtlprnft hopes spidey won't release his anger on #vanhayes
15:02 <spidey> about 3 miles
15:02 <ghableska> #vanhayes
15:02 <spidey> nice try
15:02 <armabot> ghableska thinks Vanhayes is gay, that's because ghableska called this command and that's why ghableska is an idiot. [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
15:02 <wrtlprnft> :D
15:02 * spidey isn't stupid
15:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: any proof for that?
15:03 <spidey> no
15:03 <wrtlprnft> ;)
15:04 <spidey> well
15:04 <spidey> depends on the type of stupid
15:04 <philippeqc> the true question is: does that count as a proof he isnt?
15:06 <Luke-Jr> #s
15:06 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a horn-beat tongueful of warped rat.
15:06 <spidey> i'm really wore the fuck out,but i can't decide if i wanna start a new cockpit....or sleep
15:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: new cockpit
15:06 <philippeqc> new cockpit
15:06 <spidey> does that mean my current one sucks? :(
15:07 <wrtlprnft> ipload your current one
15:07 <spidey> k
15:07 <wrtlprnft> lo Luke-Jr's repo
15:07 <philippeqc> no, just that we care more about new stuff than you personal health.
15:07 <philippeqc> ;)
15:08 <wrtlprnft> :P
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15:08 <ghableska_> erm
15:08 <wrtlprnft> well, g2g
15:08 <ghableska_> why is there a ghableska?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> the 2nd one is timing out
15:09 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7198/untitled9fq1.jpg
15:09 <ghableska_> how do I get rid of one?
15:09 <philippeqc> cya
15:11 <philippeqc> spidey: nice, it really match the arena
15:11 <spidey> thnx :D
15:11 <spidey> should see my "girly" one :-s
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15:13 <philippeqc> he dude, whatever rocks your boat ;)
15:13 <spidey> noooooooooooooooooooo
15:13 <spidey> i made it for a giel :p
15:13 <spidey> girl
15:13 <philippeqc> yeah, its for a "friend"
15:13 <philippeqc> sure
15:13 <spidey> it doesn't have a brake meter,cause she's a high pinger and lags if she uses it
15:13 <philippeqc> what ever you say man. You know, there is no shame in it.
15:14 <spidey> :/
15:14 <philippeqc> uses brake i hope, not brake meter.
15:14 <spidey> yea...
15:15 <philippeqc> post it
15:15 <philippeqc> or a screenshot
15:15 <philippeqc> s/or/as
15:16 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5024 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/www-root/Makefile.am: Forgot to remove the not-used admin.html, sorry!
15:17 <spidey> sec
15:17 <spidey> http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1019/untitled1hl.jpg
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> ho hum
15:17 <spidey> hey ho
15:17 <spidey> O_o
15:19 <spidey> k sleep time
15:19 <philippeqc> cya
15:20 * philippeqc thinks we need to support css soon to have "OMG!!!! Ponies!!!!!!" kind of feeling to the arena.
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15:20 * Lucifer_arma agrees with philippeqc
15:21 -!- ghableska_ is now known as ghableska
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15:21 * Lucifer_arma thinks he'd like less knee-jerk reactions to new releases
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15:22 <philippeqc> either you get "releases are too far apart" or we get "it was much better at release X, not they have fixed all the undocumented features I've grown to rely and depend on"
15:22 <philippeqc> my gosh, the typos in this
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> or we get, after only 5-10 minutes of testing, "this one thing changed and now it's completely unplayable!"
15:24 <philippeqc> its such a joy to develop for such a crowd ;)
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> oh well, at least I got the webserver to where I can now definitely say it needs to be in tron instead of ui :)
15:25 <philippeqc> nice
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> but still some thinking to do about it. Do I move it to tron and just keep hacking at it, or do I do something clever with callbacks and leave it in ui?
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> note that "something clever with callbacks" makes it potentially very easily extensible....
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> or option 3 is to make it use cockpit callbacks and implement the few more callbacks I need for the web server, but that might be stretching cockpit callbacks a bit
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15:27 <philippeqc> confused about webserver being in the UI to start.
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's ui, isn't it?
15:28 <philippeqc> ?????
15:29 * Lucifer_arma is confused about whatever philippeqc's confused about
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15:30 <philippeqc> what is the UI part of a web-server. Do you mean it is controlled from the UI? Still it feels it is more a tool (allows the game server to host files) and thus could go in a new directory under tool
15:31 <philippeqc> or is the main goal of the webserver to present information about the game in progress to web surfer?
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> web server does 3 things:
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> 1. serve resources, server admin no longer needs a separate server (or our resource repository)
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> 2. Provide an administration interface for the server admin using a web browser, which gives us the ability to build a point and click UI for the server
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> 3. Provide a space for the server admin to put stuff for the casual surfer/player, like score tables and stuff
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> then we get into things like syndication that we could provide with this thing, but let's not feature creep the thing when it still only barely does anything :)
15:34 <philippeqc> ok, it was 2 that I wasnt aware of.
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> aha. that's most of what I just did last night to it. :)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> So now you can type console commands into it and it'll execute them, and the area where you do that is password protected
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> so when I went to add a player list with columns for kick, kill, and ban, I found that the ui directory doesn't have access to engine!
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> which brings up the question about moving it. I think I've got a better idea in mind, though.
15:36 <philippeqc> what is that?
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'll write a class that is the admin interface, and before the webserver starts, I'll tell it about my class and the path it expects to use
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> with a basic callback registration thing
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, it's only half-baked right now, I"m looking for cigarettes and I just rolled out of bed
15:41 <philippeqc> an admin class would be a good way to centralise all related capacities, and from witch to attach many input/output methods.
15:44 <[NP]Tangent> I got an idea for you guys
15:44 <[NP]Tangent> ever play bzflag?
15:44 <[NP]Tangent> well, they have a global user database for all servers
15:44 <philippeqc> yes, jumping tanks with lazers
15:45 <philippeqc> who has looked into this idea?
15:45 <[NP]Tangent> wait
15:45 <[NP]Tangent> lemme finish
15:45 <philippeqc> IIRC, there would be some heafty work necessary to have any form of global user database.
15:45 <philippeqc> ok
15:46 <[NP]Tangent> the forums they have power the global database... so that means that players can be assigned to usergroups, then serveradmins can give various usergroups different permissions on their server
15:46 <[NP]Tangent> seems like a better way to share admin/oper status
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15:47 <philippeqc> hummm
15:48 <philippeqc> so If i run a server, i go to the forum, create a new set of groups, give each groups permissions for certain operations on my server, then and add users to the groups.
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> jumping tanks with lasers would be soooo cool!
15:52 <philippeqc> and fighter jet that transforms into batling armored robots with guns
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah!
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> now you're talking!
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> and huge aliens that are coincidentally the same size of the fighter jets as robots!
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> then we'll make the deep space cruisers that can all attach together into one giant robot!
15:53 <philippeqc> I've always wondered about the additional weigh of armoring section of the robots that are not exposed when in the fighter jet form. Nothing that cant be fixed with stronger engines I guess.
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, most of the jet was shown in the robot, so I guess there was a lot of armor reuse
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> what really threw me for a turn or three is why did they bother building jets in the first place? They had so much power available through their reverse-engineering of the robotech ship,
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> why build something with lift surfaces anyway?
15:55 <philippeqc> But we only send one set of deep space cruisers per week, And even though they continually get defeated, even though just barely, we dont decided to just wait for 2 weeks, and send 2 sets TOGETHER.
15:56 <philippeqc> the "to get faster" argument doesnt hold much when the non aerodinamic flying robot overtake the jet form ;)
15:56 <philippeqc> So it leave only one argument: to impress the chicks.
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> exactly! And they were developed as space fighters anyway
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, you've gotta admit, what woman wouldn't sleep with a man whose jet turns into a robot?
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15:58 <philippeqc> Him: "He look baby, I got myself a figthing robot..." Her: "Pffff... loser" Him:".. who can transform into a Jet!" Her: "Marry me!"
16:00 <philippeqc> ...giant robotic mecha, or fighting machines, many of which were capable of transforming into vehicles (especially fighter planes) for greater battlefield mobility.
16:00 <philippeqc> thank the goddess for wikipedia
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing that never really made sense about the story is this:
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> so the Zentraedi came to pick up the lost ship of their robotech masters, right? As a last-ditch effort to avoid having earth invaded, they warp out on the ship and break down around pluto
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> why did they go back to earth, exactly? Didn't they warp out intentionally to draw the alien invaders away from the planet?
16:02 <philippeqc> sorry, never saw the show.
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16:09 <Lucifer_arma> awwww. It was a really good show. :) Read the books, too, and they were really good, even when I was all growed up.
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> series did kinda take a turn for the worse after the Zentraedi blew up the planet, though. It got all into the invid and the robotechnology, and the story went to shit
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> fighters that turn into robots were really cool, but the story was really good, and when they gave up the story in favor of more robots that turn into other things, it just started to suck and kept improving on suckage
16:11 <philippeqc> lol
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16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5025 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5014 to 5024:
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: r5024 | davidfancella | 2006-06-24 22:16:36 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Forgot to remove the not-used admin.html, sorry!
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:16 <armabot> armagetronad: r5023 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-24 21:15:26 +0200 (Sat, 24 Jun 2006) | 3 lines
16:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5026 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Ported false blank space filtering in player names from the trunk here.
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> how do I get make to just copy files into the build directory?
16:36 <philippeqc> the game suddenly got a very egocentric flavor in favor of me.
16:39 <philippeqc> I introduce complex logic about ownership.
16:39 <philippeqc> and with a later peice of code from joda, it will all work fine
16:39 <philippeqc> but at the moment I stub it all.
16:39 <philippeqc> so unless your player name is exactly "ph" (my local account name here), dont expect to receive any ownership ;)
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17:04 <Lucifer_arma> 'splain, philippeqc
17:05 * Lucifer_arma just washed his car again, heh
17:06 <joda_bot> good evening
17:08 <philippeqc> for zones. I can say "this zone is owned by players x,y,z and by groups 1,2,3". Normally some other code would transform these labels to in-game players and teams.
17:08 <philippeqc> but now it is not available, so I fake this peice of code.
17:08 <philippeqc> and my faking peice of code is very good to transform a player name in a player id, and as a) the bots change at each round and b) the bots arent there till AFTER the map is instantiated, I cant give them any ownership.
17:08 <philippeqc> hi joda_bot
17:09 * Lucifer_arma still doesn't understand the comment, but likes what he's seeing :)
17:11 <philippeqc> lol
17:11 <philippeqc> the important thing is : the new zone have started to be instantiated by a map
17:25 <philippeqc> goodnight
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17:26 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5027 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Rescaled my fortress map and chopped off the bottom wing.
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> oops. that commit had more than that. Heh.
17:38 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, your server just crashed I think
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> InvertedCrossFortress-0.2.3.
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, updating it
17:38 <Vanhayes> ok
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know anyone was on it
17:38 <Vanhayes> only me then dook came in for a minute and it crashed
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's restarted
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> updated the map, and wanted to update the source to latest 0.3.0 from the branch while I was at it
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18:06 * joda_bot is offline too
18:06 <joda_bot> cu tomorrow
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18:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think my server needs the old timed matches back
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18:21 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
18:21 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
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18:22 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
18:22 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
18:22 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey again
18:22 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/map-preview/previews/Lucifer/InvertedCrossFortress-0.2.3.png
18:24 <ghableska> no more grinding walls? :(
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to have it on a rotation, actually
18:24 <ghableska> would the death zone spawn in the center?
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> so you play a slightly different map each match
18:24 <Vanhayes> nI like the random deathzone
18:25 <Vanhayes> I*
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I like the random deathzone too
18:25 <ghableska> heh
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> I might increase its growth rate, though
18:25 <ghableska> I think it's fast enough as it is
18:25 <Vanhayes> heh the DZ is my favorite part
18:26 <ghableska> DZ?
18:26 <Vanhayes> Deathzone*, I'm lazy and didnt want to spell it out
18:26 <ghableska> oh, :P
18:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5028 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/plusSignFort.xml: Updated a few minor things to my fortress map
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5029 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/ (4 files): Rearranging my fortress maps.
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> I hope nobody minds me keeping my maps in svn
18:33 * Lucifer_arma thinks the game should ship with more maps anyway :)
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 750/35
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 750 / 35 = 21.4285714
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 750/25
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 750 / 25 = 30
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 550/25
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 550 / 25 = 22
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 550/30
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 550 / 30 = 18.3333333
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 550/30
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 550 / 30 = 18.3333333
18:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 750/30
18:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 750 / 30 = 25
18:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 450/25
18:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 450 / 25 = 18
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19:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/map-preview/previews/Lucifer/LucifersMansion-0.2.3.png
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> there, it's done. :)
19:53 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5030 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/ (BaseInvertedCrossFort.xml LucifersMansion.xml): Updated Base map and finished up the Mansion
19:53 <ghableska> interesting :)
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer/ThreePlayerFortress/LucifersMansion-0.2.4.aamap.xml
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's on my server now :)
20:05 <mkzelda> so how do i get the source now
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> svn
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> you should get the branch, hang on a sec
20:07 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5031 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/LucifersMansion.xml: Updated wall heights in the Mansion.
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad armagetronad
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> you should run the 0.3.0 branch right now. :) 0.3.0 should be out in a few days, then it should be straightforward to update to the trunk
20:08 <mkzelda> ok
20:08 <mkzelda> thanks
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> np
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> then come play on my server :)
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20:15 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5032 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/Lucifer/LucifersMansion.xml: Updated wall heights again, I missed a couple.
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20:42 <mkzelda> seg faults after "Playing the sequence"
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> ?
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> no way, it's not crashing for me
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> are you getting any music?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> are you getting any sounds at all?
20:53 <mkzelda> no
20:54 <mkzelda> i get a window/fullscreen flash open for a sec or two
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this is a failure initializing the sound card
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> z-man unloads his alsa drivers when this happens. You're not running arts by any chance, are you?
20:55 <mkzelda> no
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> also "echo $SDL_AUDIODRIVER" might give useful information
20:56 <mkzelda> unset
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa ?
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa" ?
20:57 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, your map didnt load for me on your server it says Downloading resource/Lucifer/threeplayerfortress/lucifersmansion-0.2.6.aamap.xml ERROR: return value 0 !=200 .
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> ? I was just there with like 2 people playing it just fine
20:58 <Vanhayes> weird..
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> try again?
20:58 <Vanhayes> Ill try again
20:58 <mkzelda> same problem
20:58 <Vanhayes> works.....
20:59 <mkzelda> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
20:59 <mkzelda> music/titletrack.ogg
20:59 <mkzelda> Track: ../armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg
20:59 <mkzelda> music/when.ogg
20:59 <mkzelda> Track: ../armagetronad/music/when.ogg
20:59 <mkzelda> Opened playlist
20:59 <mkzelda> Should be playing the first sequence
20:59 <mkzelda> Playing the sequence
20:59 <mkzelda> Segmentation fault
20:59 <mkzelda> strace shows seg fault after floor.png
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhh
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> this is wrtlprnft's fault then, heh
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/eDisplay.cpp?r1=4895&r2=5023
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's the change that's probably crashing you
21:04 <mkzelda> itsnot coming up
21:04 <mkzelda> heh
21:04 <mkzelda> Waiting for svn.sourceforge.net ...
21:05 <mkzelda> ill join your server on old client
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22:09 <Lucifer_arma> so who wants to be a people eater? :)
22:11 <Vanhayes> I prefer Vananators myself
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> there's not as much fighting in the corridors as I'd hoped
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft any idea when we might have the map rotation stuff? It would be nice if I could start running that on my server... :)
22:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:21 <Vanhayes> would a moving sumo zone be possible now?
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22:28 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, but soon hopefully
22:28 <Vanhayes> that would be fun
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> it would be neat on my map to put a wall in the middle and have all the zones move towards each other
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> so two goalies would pass into each other's zones :)
22:29 <Vanhayes> lol that would get chaotic
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22:47 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man join my server by yourself and check out the AI players that try to join your team!
22:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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22:48 <Vanhayes> ???????????
22:48 <Vanhayes> wtf happened?
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00:43 <spidey> O_o
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00:49 <Vanhayes> #last
00:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: [00:43:11] <spidey> O_o
00:49 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
00:49 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
00:51 <philippeqc> I think I just invented the one-key armagetron.
00:52 <Vanhayes> one key? how
00:55 <philippeqc> its a map I'm making
00:55 <philippeqc> fortress type of map
00:55 <philippeqc> just not like anything else around
00:55 <philippeqc> do you want the answer now, or would you rather have the joy of discovery when its ready
00:58 <Vanhayes> I;d like to have the joy :) But how long untill it is ready?
00:59 <philippeqc> ~30 min because I'm dump WRITING maps.
00:59 <philippeqc> this would be my second map for public eye.
00:59 <philippeqc> I should ask ed if he wants to take it to CT
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01:06 <philippeqc> I have a name for it: the rat race
01:09 <Vanhayes> hmmm sounds interesting, Is it a maze with only one way to turn?
01:12 <philippeqc> nope, not a maze. its an open field
01:12 <philippeqc> its not a cheap trick like that, its a different type of cheap trick. On that hasnt been used before (to my knowledge)
01:12 <philippeqc> but of course there is a cheap trick in it.
01:13 <philippeqc> I think I should try it over the network, just to be sure that the cheap trick is properly supported.
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01:29 <philippeqc> ok, how do I set up a local server? I though hosting a server locally should make it visible on the "lan" menu.
01:29 * philippeqc goes to the wiki
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01:43 <Vanhayes> hmmm That should do it I think, at least it works that way for me
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01:48 <philippeqc> darn, it is not showing up here.
01:49 <guru3> what is not?
01:52 <philippeqc> hosting a server, and it is not visible on the lan
01:52 <guru3> :o
01:52 <philippeqc> well, I got is on the direct connection.
01:52 <spidey> O_o
01:52 <philippeqc> darn, the bots are much more aggressive online ;)
01:53 <guru3> Oo
01:54 * spidey pokes guru3
01:54 <guru3> what'd id o
01:54 <spidey> nothin
01:55 * philippeqc trout spidey
01:55 * spidey slaps philippeqc around a bit with a large cow
01:55 <spidey> O_o
01:55 <philippeqc> o you cow slapper
01:55 <spidey> ;d
01:55 <spidey> ;D
01:55 <guru3> well
01:55 <guru3> that's different
01:56 <guru3> z-man: any idea why doing a lan server scan sets off norton any virus?
01:56 <guru3> with a 'medium risjk'
01:56 <spidey> cause norton sucks
01:56 <guru3> for 'worm protection'
01:57 <guru3> spidey: don't do that again
01:57 <spidey> do what?
01:57 <guru3> make a smart ass comment like that
01:57 <guru3> at least not for the next while
01:57 <spidey> no....
01:57 <guru3> cause it just seriously pissed me off for some reason
01:57 <spidey> norton really does suck......
01:57 <guru3> that may be
01:57 <guru3> but that's not a helpful answer
01:57 <spidey> wasn't a smart comment :p
01:58 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
01:58 <spidey> wait
01:58 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [i'll be the judge of that]
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01:58 <spidey> i was gonna do /part #armagetron (kicked by guru3 )
01:58 <spidey> xD
01:58 <@guru3> don't push it
01:59 <@guru3> i'm not in a good mood
02:00 <@guru3> i've got itchy bug bites :
02:00 <@guru3> :(
02:00 <z-man> I haven't heard a single good thing about norton, either, sorry, tank.
02:00 <spidey> :p
02:00 <@guru3> that's not the point tho z-man :/
02:00 <z-man> We do a broadcast, that may be the reason.
02:00 <z-man> But of course, that is required to find the servers.
02:01 <@guru3> i wonder if there is someway to make it norton friendly
02:01 <z-man> If norton is triggered by broadcasts, no.
02:02 <z-man> The only way would be to get a whitelisting or something.
02:02 <z-man> And for the record, if spidey hadn't sait it, I would have said "cause norton sucks", too.
02:03 <spidey> norton and mcafee both
02:03 <spidey> mcafee is like a virus
02:03 <@guru3> :/
02:03 <spidey> spreads throught the registry and computer and is almost impossible to completely remove
02:04 * Vanhayes uses mcaffe
02:04 <spidey> i did to
02:04 <spidey> in 1998
02:04 <Vanhayes> and i get a warning about armagetron whenever I reinstall it
02:04 * guru3 will stop watching this cahnnel now
02:05 <spidey> Vanhayes, if you're gonna use a fire2wall...go with outpost
02:05 <spidey> best one i've used...and for a anti-virus use nod32 or avast
02:06 <Vanhayes> meh this computer isnt mine so I cant change that shit
02:06 <spidey> heh
02:06 <Vanhayes> plus i think the subscription to Mcaffe was just renewed and that cist like $50
02:07 <Vanhayes> cost*
02:07 <spidey> bah
02:07 <spidey> i won't pay for a anti-virus or firewall :/
02:07 <spidey> it's cheaper to learn the registery and remove virus's yourself and to use tcp-view
02:08 <Vanhayes> but I am pretty lazy so...
02:08 <Vanhayes> and it isnt my money
02:08 <spidey> lol,makes 2 of us xD
02:13 <philippeqc> posted my map to ed. Hopes he doesnt find it a waste of time ;)
02:15 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: bump
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> spidey sucks too
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> Norton, spidey, and mcaffee all suck donkey balls
02:31 <spidey> lies
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02:49 <[NP]Tangent> heh
02:49 <[NP]Tangent> if there are any norton users in here
02:49 <[NP]Tangent> I can prove that it sucks donkey balls
02:49 <[NP]Tangent> startkeylogger
02:50 <[NP]Tangent> heh
02:50 <[NP]Tangent> no norton users
02:50 <[NP]Tangent> :D
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02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5034 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (11 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5026 to 5033:
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: r5033 | davidfancella | 2006-06-25 06:03:16 +0200 (Sun, 25 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Added config item to change the file ai characters are loaded from.
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: r5032 | davidfancella | 2006-06-25 03:15:19 +0200 (Sun, 25 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
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03:00 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: be a purple eater. :)
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> *people
03:11 <philippeqc> are there any ppe playing at the moment?
03:11 <philippeqc> ppe:purple person eater
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03:22 * Luke-Jr mutters
03:22 <Luke-Jr> AA likes to freeze my system a lot lately :/
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03:24 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: not that I know of
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> I was taking a shit
03:24 <philippeqc> its ok, i was just curious
03:25 <philippeqc> what are the new team capacity that joda added?
03:26 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: thanks for the password
03:27 <Luke-Jr> np
03:27 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: hey, when you planning 0.3.0 for?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> any day now, why?
03:31 <Luke-Jr> within the next day?
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, why?
03:33 <Luke-Jr> for taking aabeta off
03:33 <Luke-Jr> or editing capability, anyhow
03:37 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ... stick around, I might need an admin of the SF
03:38 <z-man> I like it when you make people deny they're hetero, Luci :)
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> :)
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> I've been polled over that chat, but not successfully
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03:42 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: You can count me in.
03:43 <z-man> About your_mom's crash: so we'll be ignoring it for 0.3.0?
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: looks like it, unless someone magically figures it out and fixes it.
03:44 * philippeqc is metrosexual
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> at least we know enough about it to know we *can* ignore it for now. :)
03:44 * Lucifer_arma is allegrosexual
03:44 <philippeqc> what the bleep?
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> so we're waiting for a few windows users to tell us mp3 works fine, preferably some of the folks that tried it and it didn't work before we had sdl_mixer built with it, like Vanhayes
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: wanna be a people eater? :)
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I'm going to bed pretty soon....
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03:46 <philippeqc> yep
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03:47 <philippeqc> I've already figured my shade of purple. 7,1,6 IIRC
03:47 <Luke-Jr> hm
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> I guess by Wednesday, we'll have heard that mp3 works fine in windows. If we haven't heard that, and we haven't heard anything, we should release 0.3.0 on wednesday or earliest convenience thereafter
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> and I promise to quit fooling with the webserver between now and then. :)
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> webserver's still marked "highly experimental, may not work, and we're sorry if it doesn't"
03:48 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: we need a clan team. something like [PurPlE] for Purple PeopLe Eater
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> clan team? I wasn't intending to carry a badge, just mark your preferred team name with joda's new team stuff :)
03:49 <philippeqc> o
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> you can wear a badge if you'd like, but it's not a clan :)
03:49 <philippeqc> is it case sensitive?
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know how much it matters
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> see, this is kind of a social test, too
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> to see if it's possible to form a team that's not a clan (besides just saying they're not), and to see what related concepts and possiblities are available
03:50 <philippeqc> humm yeah
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, stuff that we'd normally expect clans to test for us, but we (I) already know that they won't
03:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * CVSROOT/avail: closed
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> and maybe in the process we'll figure out what neat new features we need to support teams that persist like this
03:51 <philippeqc> because they dont follow the forum? I dont recall seing any announcement about that capacity.
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> it was one of those accidental commits, afaik. :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> and nobody worried about it enough to see it moved to the trunk.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> also clans don't have a predictable amount of early adopters anyway, and I'm shooting for early adopters
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> you know, there might be 20 people in the clan, but only 3-4 are really early adopters, and only 1 of those can be expected to be playing at any time anyway
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm curious. Anarchic Wanderers (nd later the spoon) brought us the idea of teams persisting across different servers and matches and game sessions, and joda's given us some code that supports it
03:54 <philippeqc> ok. I'll try to keep a working version of the client. Those are getting rare on my system ;)
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> curious to see where that might go
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I"m playing out of my own build directory right now. :)
03:58 <spidey> early adopters?
03:59 <philippeqc> people that jump on new features early, before they get popular.
04:00 <spidey> ah
04:01 * spidey might be getting a job within the next 2 weeks :(
04:02 <philippeqc> congrats
04:04 <spidey> bah
04:04 <spidey> i got a big mouth sometimes
04:07 <philippeqc> still sound great
04:08 <spidey> my cousin's staying here and is 18..my grandma told him if he don't get a job he can't stay here
04:08 <spidey> so i told my cousin if he gets a job,i will too
04:08 * spidey smacks self
04:08 <philippeqc> o poor you, forced to have an income and spending money. I feel your pain man
04:08 <spidey> hey,i'm only 16 :p
04:09 <spidey> i still got 2 years to me a kid!
04:09 <philippeqc> o, I see, you still live of fresh air and rain water.
04:09 <spidey> not sure what that means,but i guess so xD
04:10 <philippeqc> that you dont cost money at all.
04:10 <spidey> not really,just about $60 a month
04:10 <philippeqc> of pocket money?
04:10 <spidey> $49 for the cable
04:10 <spidey> and i eat maybe once a day
04:10 <spidey> if that
04:10 <philippeqc> lol
04:11 <spidey> besides that,i don't really need anything else
04:11 * spidey is a very expensive kid at all xD
04:11 <philippeqc> yeah, clothing are overrated
04:11 <spidey> isn't*
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> $60/month is cheap
04:11 <philippeqc> so is soap
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> for a kid
04:11 <spidey> i've had the same clothes for 1 1/2 years
04:12 <spidey> mainly cause i get really baggy clothes
04:12 * philippeqc think spidey doesnt consider the housing, insurance, electricity, etc costs.
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> my wife figured that we spend ~$1000/month for all of our kids
04:12 * Lucifer_arma thinks philippeqc is right :)
04:12 <philippeqc> and you dont eat much, so you dont grow.
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> he's still growing
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> you're not a full-grown adult until your mid-20s
04:12 <spidey> philippeqc, house is paid for i have government insurance,and electricity is a fixed rate
04:12 <spidey> so no,i dont' coutnt hat
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's a trailer house, isn't it?
04:13 <spidey> no
04:13 <spidey> a log house
04:13 <philippeqc> spidey, just get the job, if you dont need the money, your mom/grand-ma will surely be able to use it.
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> besides, working is fun :/
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go see if anyone' splaying my server
04:13 <Vanhayes> hmm who doesnt need money?
04:14 <Vanhayes> what is the job btw
04:14 <spidey> philippeqc, possibly,seeing as we've lived on a $700 ssi income my grandma gets forever and a day :/
04:14 <spidey> that's per month too
04:14 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, mp3s work on windows now
04:14 <Vanhayes> well this one did anyway
04:14 <philippeqc> o yeah, the joy of working in the sausage packaging part of a meat company. Spent the warmest summer in about 20 years freezing my ass. it was 5 Celcius (that is ok) and 80%+ humidity. That goes through ANYTHING.
04:15 <spidey> O_o
04:15 <Vanhayes> ok im off good night
04:15 <spidey> #g 5 C in F
04:15 <armabot> spidey: 5 degrees Celsius = 41 degrees Fahrenheit
04:15 <philippeqc> good night
04:15 <Vanhayes> #night
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04:15 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
04:16 <spidey> that's cool
04:16 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you can call me a redneck now xD
04:16 <philippeqc> yes, the factory was refrigirated. They worked with meat.
04:16 <spidey> i got hella sunburn
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> these bots are psycho
04:18 * philippeqc propose spidey an experiment. Ask to have your own food shelves and corner in the fridge, and own toothpaste, soap, deo, shampoo, etc. Go to the store, buy your own of all that you want. During the summer, use only what you bought, and dont let anybody else use it.
04:19 <spidey> mm
04:19 <philippeqc> Add a bit for the items that dont wear in a weekly base (bed sheet, shoes, etc). Figure out how you truly cost.
04:19 <philippeqc> no cheating by buying a 25 pounds bag of flower and eating only that. ;)
04:19 <spidey> haha
04:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, map load failure
04:20 <philippeqc> just so you, YOURSELF, know how much you cost.
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> try again
04:20 <spidey> worked
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> join us, philippeqc
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> Swamplords Teams
04:20 <philippeqc> ok
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04:22 <luke-jr__> did any of you see anyhting I've been saying for the past half hour?
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04:26 <Luke-Jr> hello!?!?
04:26 <luke-jr__> ...
04:26 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: philippeqc spidey HELLO!?!
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04:29 <Luke-Jr> >:O
04:31 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5035 /www/ (. beta/):
04:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Make directory for aabeta CVS repository import
04:31 <armabot> armagetronad: DEVS IN #armagetron: apparently you can't see my chat, so PLEASE EXECUTE ON SHELL.SF.NET: cp /home/users/l/lu/luke-jr/aabeta.svndump.bz2 /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/aabetasvndump.bz2
04:36 <philippeqc> hi, online on swaplord teams
04:37 <Luke-Jr> need the file copied...
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04:39 <philippeqc> ?
04:39 <philippeqc> no, I dont think so
04:39 <Luke-Jr> ...
04:40 <Luke-Jr> it's still not there, so yes I do
04:40 <philippeqc> 10:37 Luke-Jr Lucifer_arma: ... stick around, I might need an admin of the SF
04:40 <philippeqc> that is the last thing i see from you
04:40 <Luke-Jr> so you don't see this?
04:41 <philippeqc> yes now I see you
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04:41 <me435> can you see this?
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04:41 <Luke-Jr> hm
04:41 <Luke-Jr> anyway, I need that file copied
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04:41 <philippeqc> what file
04:41 <Luke-Jr> cp /home/users/l/lu/luke-jr/aabeta.svndump.bz2 /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/aabetasvndump.bz2
04:41 <Luke-Jr> on shell.sf.net
04:43 <philippeqc> ok, and how could I help with that?
04:43 <Luke-Jr> see if you can copy it?
04:43 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, I'm just in too many SF projects and the server has a limit of 8
04:43 <Luke-Jr> so unless you're over-maxed out, you should be able to
04:44 <philippeqc> o
04:44 <philippeqc> havent logged to my shell account in YEARs
04:44 <Luke-Jr> heh
04:48 <philippeqc> ok let me see
04:48 <philippeqc> logged int
04:48 <philippeqc> in
04:50 <philippeqc> touch /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/delme
04:51 <philippeqc> touch: cannot touch `/home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/delme': Permission denied
04:51 <Luke-Jr> hrm
04:51 <Luke-Jr> guess only admins have access to the group home? :/
04:51 <Luke-Jr> guru3: !
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04:59 <Luke-Jr> guru3:
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05:08 <luke-jr__> armabot: wake lucifer
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05:10 <luke-jr__> ...
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05:16 <spidey> lol
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05:17 <spidey> wb
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> re
05:17 <spidey> luci you should set yours like mine
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05:17 <spidey> it only highlights when i click it
05:17 <spidey> man luci armabot's been getting pwnt
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, by herself
05:18 <spidey> it timed out 4 times
05:18 <spidey> O_o
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, there were two processes, and one would identify with the nick server, causing the other to get booted
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> so the other would sit there for awhile, then decide it was time to try again and join, identify with the nick server, and kick the first one
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05:18 <Lucifer_arma> the last one was me killing all supybot processes
05:18 <spidey> oh
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm set up for OSD on quit/join messages (don't know why), so I was getting nailed with them every time
05:23 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: !!!!!
05:23 <luke-jr__> cp /home/users/l/lu/luke-jr/aabeta.svndump.bz2 /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/aabetasvndump.bz2
05:24 <luke-jr__> shell.sf.net
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> next time say "please"
05:37 <luke-jr__> I did earlier =p
05:37 <luke-jr__> anyway, Svn freeze for a few min now
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see any pleases, just a "stick around, I might need you"
05:38 <spidey> LOl
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> which I promptly ignored, under the assumption that you'd give me more warning and an ETA on when you'd need me if you were serious
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> it's just dumb luck that I read your request before going to bed
05:39 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: yeah, my IPv6 was being stupid-- so I guess you didn't get them
05:39 <luke-jr__> sorry
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I want to be able to define the growth rate of a winzone as a function of its time since spawned
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've noticed that while it grows at the same rate, it seems like it slows down, like maybe growth is in area instead of radius units
05:44 <philippeqc> yep, I'll need a function parser too
05:45 <philippeqc> talked with wrtlprnft bout that.
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I googled up some code that wasn't completely gpl-compatible for him to look at
05:45 <philippeqc> We could add a simple callback for "time since round start"
05:45 <philippeqc> and the zones could have their instantiation time saved.
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like this function parser to recognize certain constants like e and pi :)
05:46 <philippeqc> yep
05:46 <cusco> morning!
05:46 <philippeqc> and for tValue to support sin and cos too
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
05:46 <philippeqc> zone will kick ass with access to a function parser
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> so we could set fortress conquest rate as sin(t) and defense rate as cos(t) :)
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> death zone growth rate of sin( 2t^2 ) would be pretty interesting, too
05:48 <philippeqc> and the center of the zone at x (k1 + k2*cos(t)) y = (k3 + k4*sin(t)) [well, they could move in circle around a point ;) ]
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:48 <philippeqc> i think I'll flush growth rate, just support radius
05:48 <philippeqc> as an equation
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> sure, but you'll need to define variables so we can pick and choose
05:49 <philippeqc> radius is so circle anyway
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> time since round start, time since instantiation, initial position, etc.
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, how about zones where their edges are functions?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> then a circle would be two functions :)
05:49 <luke-jr__> all numeric values should be functions
05:50 <philippeqc> yes, yes, heuuuu. initial position doesnt exist. just say that the position is [equation to move in circle]
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> same for walls, that gives us moving walls
05:50 <luke-jr__> initial position is part of the absolute position function =p
05:50 <philippeqc> luke-jr__: Lucifer_arma tValue does just that. All numeric values are function, condition, callback.
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe I want the growth rate to be a function of its initial position?
05:50 <philippeqc> walls is another matter
05:50 <philippeqc> they get inserted on the grid
05:51 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: can tValue functions take more arguments than time?
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, that doesn't make sense. If initial position is a constant, then the function is useless, nvm
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> aha, function of the owning cycle's position :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> (which is a variable)
05:51 <luke-jr__> well
05:51 <luke-jr__> owning cycle's position would be a function
05:51 <luke-jr__> in a sense
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is, now that you mention it
05:52 <philippeqc> luke-jr__: atm we dont have a parser, so you need to build them by hand. And the callback for time isnt fixed yet. but it promises a lot. have a read.
05:52 <luke-jr__> so if you place a wall at position "owner.position(t)", it should follow
05:53 <luke-jr__> whereas you could place it at position "owner.position(" << now << ")", then it would stay in one place
05:53 <philippeqc> lucifer a) x = k b) x = k1 + k2*cos(t) . You only get x in the end, it doesnt matter what lies under. the tValue just gets evaluated each time you call it, be it constant or a function.
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but what if you want the wall instead at sin(owner.position(t)) ?
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> then it doesn't follow exactly, but it's movement depends on the owner's movement
05:53 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: code sin() into the function support?
05:53 <philippeqc> you need a callback that can get owner.position(t) for you
05:54 <luke-jr__> right
05:54 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: well, owner.position would be a config item in the tree
05:54 * Lucifer_arma wonders if luke-jr__ means the same thing as Lucifer means when he says "function" here
05:54 <luke-jr__> containing a 'function;
05:54 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: I'm thinking mostly math-type functions here
05:55 <luke-jr__> that we can send over the network as unparsed
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> right. so what does "function parser" mean to you? which is kinda what we've been talking about...
05:55 <luke-jr__> the parser won't do the sin() itself
05:55 <luke-jr__> it'd just turn the text form into tValues
05:55 <philippeqc> function parser: read a string, for example from the map, and produce the tValue tree required to represent it.
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, but it'll understand sin, ln, log, etc.
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> e, pi, and the rest
05:56 <luke-jr__> it'll understand them just enough to assemble a tValue calling such a code function
05:56 <philippeqc> yes
05:56 <philippeqc> and yes
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> right, ok, we're all on the same page :)
05:56 <luke-jr__> :)
05:56 <luke-jr__> I thought you were going to bed, BTW? =p
05:57 <philippeqc> psst, a zone can have many "single player" owners, and many "team" owners. That will be fun
05:57 <spidey> 24.18.225.253
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking function support to the same degree that my calculator supports it :)
05:57 <spidey> er
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ping -f 24.18.225.253
05:57 <spidey> no
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> er, wrong window
05:57 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: zone.user, zone.group? =p
05:57 <spidey> i ment to post something else
05:57 <philippeqc> wich user do you want it to follow when it has 2?
05:57 <spidey> argh
05:57 <spidey> it's not copying
05:57 <spidey> :/
05:58 <philippeqc> avg(zone.user.getx)
05:58 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: depends how we assign it =p
05:58 <philippeqc> yes
05:58 <philippeqc> i'm just poking your brain
05:58 <luke-jr__> spidey: shoulda used X
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, you'd have to define how it behaves
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> like, pick a random user if none specified and follow that user the whole round
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> pick a random user and follow that user until he leaves
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> add a parameter, so zone.user(2).getx would give a specific user
06:00 <luke-jr__> pick a random user every evaluation!
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> zone.user(rand).getx :)
06:00 <philippeqc> psst, a zone can have many effectGroup. each effectGroup has its own list of user and team.
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> kplot's got a function parser in it, maybe we can raid it for code
06:00 <spidey> luke-jr__, it's a mac box i'm on
06:00 <spidey> won't let me copy
06:00 <luke-jr__> zone.user(=rand) to have a sticky random ;)
06:01 <luke-jr__> spidey: Apple-C?
06:01 <spidey> os x
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yellow dog linux?
06:01 <luke-jr__> use Apple-C keystroke
06:01 <spidey> i don't have physical access :/
06:01 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: Mac is the OS, not the hardware o.o
06:01 <luke-jr__> o
06:01 <luke-jr__> um
06:01 <luke-jr__> try Win-C
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> is that agreement, then, that spidey should run yellow dog linux on his mac?
06:02 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: it's a hacked box
06:02 <spidey> not my mac!
06:02 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: spidey's been hacking random computers
06:02 <luke-jr__> spidey: is this the quad CPU box w/ 8 GB RAM?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> and spidey can't put yellow dog linux on it?
06:02 <philippeqc> and you complain about bad keyboard support?
06:02 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: he'd need to boot it
06:02 <spidey> no it's another one
06:02 <spidey> and it was a dual
06:03 <luke-jr__> o
06:03 <luke-jr__> I'm surprised nobody's caught you yet
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's a script kiddie?
06:03 <spidey> :p
06:03 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: he's using some old VNC exploit
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess it's a good thing armabot keeps logs, then, isn't it?
06:04 <luke-jr__> lol
06:04 * Lucifer_arma reminds himself to backup armabot's logs
06:04 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: hope you're not running VNC... =p
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> nope, no vnc here
06:04 <luke-jr__> spidey: you can hack my VNC server if you want :)
06:05 <luke-jr__> the password is genes
06:05 <luke-jr__> it's not on display 0
06:05 <luke-jr__> you'll get a nice KDM login screen =p
06:05 <spidey> ....
06:05 <luke-jr__> lol
06:06 <spidey> sssshhhhh
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> ssssshhhhhh
06:06 <luke-jr__> did you try edit->copy?
06:06 <spidey> i think it's the vnc not allowing me to clipboard it
06:06 <luke-jr__> my current IRC logdir is 898 MB
06:06 <luke-jr__> spidey: WTF does VNC have to do with it?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> now if someone just says al-qaida, homeland security will descend on spidey like vultures on a dead moose
06:07 <spidey> you can disable clipboard in the vnc config
06:07 <luke-jr__> omg... you're assuming copy on remote = copy on local?
06:07 <spidey> no....
06:07 <spidey> you can disable clipboard
06:07 <spidey> in the vnc config
06:07 <luke-jr__> ...
06:07 <spidey> atleast you can on windows
06:07 <luke-jr__> what you trying to paste to us anyhow?
06:07 <spidey> nothin'
06:07 <luke-jr__> ...
06:08 <philippeqc> lol! now its getting fun
06:08 <philippeqc> the first death zone that when you enter it, somebody else dies
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he was just using his irc window as a notepad? I do that a lot...
06:08 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: oh, how evil
06:08 <philippeqc> hehe
06:08 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: interesting idea tho
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> how about a death zone that conquers the fortress zones it rolls over?
06:08 <philippeqc> well, there are 3 idea :
06:08 <philippeqc> effect: death
06:09 <philippeqc> who can use it: anybody but the owner
06:09 <luke-jr__> how about just spawn random deathzones every second?
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> it kills the owner, I take it?
06:09 <philippeqc> who get the effect: a random player that is not the one triggering it
06:09 <luke-jr__> effect: death(user) or death(owner) or death(random([player]))
06:09 <philippeqc> nope, I could set it for that
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> can you queue up effects?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> so a zone can have multiple effects?
06:10 <philippeqc> death(randomPlayer - playerEntering it)
06:10 <philippeqc> yes
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> or do you intend to have us just stack zones?
06:10 <luke-jr__> sleep(5); death(user); sleep(5); death(owner);
06:10 <philippeqc> each effectGroup has its own owners
06:10 <philippeqc> o, I'm not acting through time yet
06:10 <philippeqc> more like for a single zone:
06:11 <philippeqc> if bob enters it, he wins
06:11 <philippeqc> if joe enters it, it kills alice
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> if alice enters it, joe wins?
06:11 <philippeqc> each effectGroup is independant
06:11 <luke-jr__> if bob enters it, he wins; anyone else, he dies
06:11 <philippeqc> could set it up so
06:11 <luke-jr__> or better for a real game
06:11 <philippeqc> it start with owners. Who is listed.
06:11 <luke-jr__> just kill the owner
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, give a circle for growth rate on a zone and it'll grow and then shrink and then grow and then shrink
06:12 <philippeqc> then you have who can trigger it, ie: entering it might not produce anything, you must be allowed.
06:12 <philippeqc> the list of valid triggerers are : all, owner, ownerTeam,
06:12 <philippeqc> allButOwner, allButTeamOwner, anotherTeammate.
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> need "anotherZone"
06:13 <philippeqc> then who is the target, computed based on the triggerer and the owner information. Valid ones are :
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> so when two zones collide they can interact with each other
06:13 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: pattern www/beta
06:13 <philippeqc> self, teammate, team, all, allButSelf,
06:13 <philippeqc> allButTeam, another, anotherTeam, anotherTeammate,
06:13 <philippeqc> anotherNotTeammate, owner, ownerTeam, anyDead, allDead,
06:13 <philippeqc> AnotherTeammateDead and anotherNotTeammateDead.
06:13 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: exec /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme
06:13 <philippeqc> then the effect to apply to the selected players:
06:13 <philippeqc> win, death, event, clearTrace,
06:13 <philippeqc> teleport, spawnPlayer and none.
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> better stick that in a message, luke-jr__, so that when I'm not about to fall asleep I can do it
06:14 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: darn, interaction between zones.. neat.
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> need to generalize it a bit more whenever you get to it, so any game object can be a trigger and the victim of the effect :)
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> here's a situation me and z-man were talking about, on mys erver
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> say it's 1 v 1 and you attack the other guy's zone, and he attacks yours
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe while you're in his zone, conquering it, you take from his fortress reservoir and put into your fortress reservoir, so that you can remote-sumo someone
06:15 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: maybe, but I thought I'd start with all the combinaisons of players and team I could think of. you know, just as a basis. There are about 6 x 16 combinaisons, plus you can play on owners
06:16 <luke-jr__> philippeqc: use operators?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> or he's in your zone, but you're in the third team's zone. When you finish conquering, you get a boost in your fortress reservoir that might be big enough to let you return to it before it's conquered
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I understand philippeqc. :) We're just dreaming up new ways to pile on work for you. :)
06:16 <philippeqc> nope, 3 set of classes. Validator, Selector and Effector
06:17 <luke-jr__> I want dead players to turn into zones inside the enemy's wall-fort
06:17 <luke-jr__> and you can conquer those zones to get friends back
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=65451#65451 <--- meriton's having boost problems
06:17 <luke-jr__> I also want pellets that make the trail wall longer ;)
06:17 <philippeqc> dead players cant play. but effect COULD be applied to them if they are selected as a target (see targets with DEAD in them)
06:18 <philippeqc> i want a way to flush one's trace so it start again at lengh 0, even with infinite trace
06:19 <luke-jr__> we talked about that before
06:19 <luke-jr__> IIRC
06:19 <philippeqc> trace, maybe.
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__ wants cialis pellets
06:20 <philippeqc> bored of fixing all the mini-class to cover all the types of effect.
06:20 <philippeqc> i want to start playing with shapes for the zone
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: supposedly the boost stuff that's needed is in either armagetronad or winlibs
06:21 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: I'm thinking QBasic Worms =p
06:21 <philippeqc> havent had time to investigate this
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> if luke-jr__ gets cialis zones, can I have viagra zones?
06:21 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p5087199D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> moin
06:22 <philippeqc> enhanced tValues shouldnt be in 0.3.0
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> he's trying to build the trunk
06:22 <philippeqc> o
06:22 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: do you have a GPG key? or an account i can scp you the private key to?
06:22 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: or better yet, just some random public key armabot can use? =p
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: not right this minute, I'll generate a key sometime tomorrow if you'd like
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm literally about to fall asleep, so badly I'm having trouble commanding my legs to pick me up and take me to bed
06:23 <luke-jr__> o ok
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to hack the CIA plugin wrtlprnft gave me to do what you want
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if you could provide an actual regex for the pattern :)
06:23 <philippeqc> there isnt any boost/config.hpp in trunk
06:24 * Lucifer_arma <--- sucks at writing regexes
06:24 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: www/beta should work fine as a regex =p
06:24 <luke-jr__> presuming you're not using something with / as syntax
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> I can escape that
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be python's regex module. Actually, for something like www/beta I can just do substring :)
06:25 * luke-jr__ was about to say... regex is probably a bit much
06:40 <spidey> food! O_o
06:40 <luke-jr__> ramen?
06:40 <luke-jr__> or ranma?
06:42 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5415 /www/beta/trunk/scripts/ (. touch-download updateme): Scripts for aabeta
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> I want the size of a zone to be determined as a function of the distance to the closest cycle!
06:49 <luke-jr__> ...
06:49 <luke-jr__> why?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so I can have a zone that grows as you get closer to it?
06:51 <spidey> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5415 /www/beta/trunk/scripts/ (. touch-download updateme): Scripts for aabeta
06:51 <spidey> what's that mean?
06:52 <luke-jr__> ...
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, you could have the zone grow for its owners, but nobody else
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> so you could drive right by it, but it kills me chasing you :)
06:52 <spidey> like,how's the bot know that O_o
06:52 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: that last case is the only one that makes sense =p
06:52 <luke-jr__> spidey: know what?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the bot knows that because it's sitting on the #commits channel watching
06:53 <spidey> oh,lol
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> /join #commits
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> you'll see armabot :)
06:54 <armabot> armagetronad =p
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I'm going to have to put mediawiki under the www directory in svn and have an update thing, too
06:54 <armabot> armagetronad is fun !
06:54 <spidey> lol
06:54 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: err, why? it's just external code...
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__ just figured out he's not being ignored by armabot anymore
06:54 <armabot> armagetronad doesn't care if it's CIA talking =p
06:54 <luke-jr__> not quite
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: not completely, not anymore. we've got hacks...
06:54 <luke-jr__> hm
06:55 <luke-jr__> wouldn't it be better to use darcs or such tho, so you can easily sync up w/ main?
06:55 <luke-jr__> or a SCM for patches?
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> if we were running off of their trunk, sure, but we're not, we run a release
06:55 <luke-jr__> hm
06:56 <luke-jr__> seems a waste for just a little bit of patching
06:56 <luke-jr__> especially when the actual content won't be in the SCM
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> the point is to allow other people around here to hack on the wiki code itself without needing to have access to the wiki
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> SCM isn't just about history, it's about collaboration.
06:57 <luke-jr__> does that happen often enough? =p
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how you look at it. I can't edit the wiki right now because I can't login.
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I cna't login because wrtlprnft's hack is stopping me.
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> He can't fix it because guru3 has the wiki right now.
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> see how shit snowballs?
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> now, if it were in scm with a setup similar to what you want for the beta site, problem is *solved*
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> and I like solved problems
06:58 <luke-jr__> yes, but why was there a problem in the first place? o.O
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> now, when I get the wiki back (hopefully soon, almost done setting up the server), I'll do what I can to either fix it myself or help wrtlprnft fix it
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> but that doesn't solve the problem in the long run
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> and the reason there was a problem in the first place was because wrtlprnft wanted to reduce wiki spam
06:59 <luke-jr__> I know that, but why doesn't it work for you?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> because firefox is filling in one of the secret form fields it's not supposed to fill in
07:00 <luke-jr__> can't stop it? O.o
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> it became a problem for me personally after I had to rebuild my system from scratch, when I lost the cookie
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't look like I can. I tried what I knew I could try.
07:01 <luke-jr__> how can wrtl fix it?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure how much it matters, there are other people having this problem
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's his code, I assume he can fix it
07:01 <luke-jr__> unless it's in the design or something
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, he doesn't want to roll it back to mediawiki's code, and he doesn't want to lock out legitimate users either
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'd rather have spam than locked out legitimate users, but I can't do anything about it until my server's running the wiki again
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> guru3 only has the wiki temporarily until then, so he's understandably willing to put off fixing it until he gives it back to me. I'd probably do the same in his position.
07:03 <luke-jr__> maybe use JavaScript to wipe it after the page loads
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, whatever. :) The point is if we set up the wiki under a similar situation, this problem wouldn't exist at all. wrtlprnft could have already fixed it. :)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, you could have hacked in tag/version support to mediawiki too
07:05 <luke-jr__> doubt it <.<
07:05 <luke-jr__> I'd rather make it use Svn for content =p
07:06 <philippeqc> luci's growing shrinking zones vs closest player: so the defender would have advantage to be as far as possible, making his zone shrink to nothing.
07:07 <luke-jr__> or as close as possible, but not too close
07:07 <luke-jr__> a small fortress conquers quickly
07:08 <philippeqc> if it shrink enough, gets to be nay impossible to conquer.
07:09 <luke-jr__> but to shrink it enough for a long time, you'd need to crash into your tail
07:09 <philippeqc> try to conquer a zone of radius 1
07:09 <luke-jr__> presuming the function is good
07:09 <philippeqc> yeah, but smaller is harder... I just went to the limit
07:10 <philippeqc> where the closest defender would be very far away
07:11 <philippeqc> zone radius as k/(dist^2) of its closest owner.
07:11 <philippeqc> ;)
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> that function doesn't work if the owner is inside the zone
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> then the zone blows up :)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> radius = someconstant * -e^dist
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> nono
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> radius = someconstant * e^(-dist)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> there, that flips it around
07:30 <philippeqc> you could set a min and max radius
07:31 <philippeqc> darn my concept map crashed ed's armagetronad
07:42 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5416 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/background-aamenu.png: this is a PNG-- binary
07:44 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5417 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/background-aamenu.png: delete it, it's corrupt somehow
07:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5418 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/background-aamenu.png: fixed version
07:45 <luke-jr__> grr
07:46 <luke-jr__> cvs2svn lost images
07:46 * luke-jr__ shoots it
07:47 <cusco> hi dudes
07:47 <cusco> only now im updating to 2.8.2
07:47 <cusco> from 2.8.1
07:48 <cusco> will my settings be erased?
07:48 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-11-111.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
07:48 <cusco> or should I back up ~/.armagetronad/
07:48 <cusco> oi madmax|pt
07:49 <madmax|pt> the matches/rounds stats have been resetted on fortress?
07:49 <madmax|pt> hi cusco :D
07:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5419 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/design/ (96 files): Replace corrupt images
07:54 <spidey> max
07:54 <spidey> come to fortress
07:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5420 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: rcsid changes for Svn
07:56 <luke-jr__> cusco: backup just in case-- and upgrade to 0.3.0 =p
07:57 <madmax|pt> can't right now spidey
07:59 * madmax|pt is away: Not here
08:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, what
08:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, what's wrong with the wiki?
08:22 <@guru3> so
08:23 <@guru3> what have i missed?
08:26 <wrtlprnft> cusco: updating shouldn't erase your settings
08:27 <cusco> I don't know exactly how to upgrade so I was thinking in make uninstall, and compile the latest
08:27 <cusco> luke-jr__: ok I will!!
08:29 <wrtlprnft> cusco: your settings are in ~/.armagetron and no make anything will touch that :)
08:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi all
08:30 <cusco> wrtlprnft: oh.. ok cheers!
08:30 <cusco> hi darkstat
08:30 <cusco> star
08:30 <wrtlprnft> hi da
08:30 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:30 <wrtlprnft> da<tab> refuses to complete
08:31 <cusco> yes mine too.. its weird :p
08:31 <wrtlprnft> stupid thing, the aa completion is much better
08:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try xp<tab>
08:31 <cusco> aa completition?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> cusco: yeah, in 0.3.0
08:31 <wrtlprnft> for console and chat :)
08:32 <cusco> er... I din't know about completition!! I always type the nick.. by hand!
08:32 <cusco> lol
08:32 <wrtlprnft> and you get name hilighting too cusco
08:32 <wrtlprnft> like in IRC :)
08:32 <cusco> thats cool!
08:33 <cusco> sometimes there is just too much text on the scren.. I just keep pressing pg down
08:33 <cusco> it doesn't let me start good sometimes!
08:33 <philippeqc> anyone got some idea of effect that zone could do "as long as you are inside, do x"
08:34 <philippeqc> there is already the conquest/defense of fortress "as long as you are inside, sink conquest by t * 0.1"
08:36 <philippeqc> there could be like "gain points as long as you stay inside the zone", making it a variation on sumo
08:37 <cusco> what is the particle system support?
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08:44 <cusco> what about "the walls from the future"?
08:46 <wrtlprnft> cusco: we wanna use the particle system for fancy explosions, sparks and wall- disappear animations
08:47 <wrtlprnft> and the walls from the future thing is an old joke by guru3 about some bugfix z-man made
08:47 <cusco> hm..
08:47 <cusco> what about the walls files in beta.armagetronad.net?
08:47 <wrtlprnft> cusco: it's disabled by default tho, far from finished and leaking memory
08:47 <wrtlprnft> cusco: ?
08:47 <cusco> oh.. I will not use it them
08:48 <cusco> there is a walls.tgz file
08:48 <wrtlprnft> link?
08:48 <cusco> when you choose the branch
08:48 <cusco> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=Walls&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
08:49 <wrtlprnft> probably some old debug thingy
08:49 <cusco> wooowwww
08:49 <wrtlprnft> dated 2000...
08:50 <cusco> nice intro sound in 0.3
08:50 <cusco> hehehe
08:50 <cusco> ok.. im going to tron a bit :p
08:50 <cusco> thanks wrtlprnft
08:50 <wrtlprnft> cusco: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list
08:50 <wrtlprnft> try those :)
08:50 <cusco> the small map is nice
08:50 <cusco> wow lots of new thingies
08:51 <cusco> wrtlprnft: ok I iwll..
08:51 <wrtlprnft> and try incam with the default one
08:53 <cusco> the sound comes out a little bit weird
08:53 <wrtlprnft> i know, Lucifer_arma is working on it
08:53 <cusco> incam cockpit
08:53 <wrtlprnft> :)
08:54 <wrtlprnft> another thing to try is FONT_FILE font.ttf
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08:56 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: can you help meriton compile arma? ;) The camera code needs improvements and the faster he can compile 0.3.0 the faster he'll improve it
08:56 <joda_bot> sure
08:57 <joda_bot> #afternoon
08:57 <joda_bot> hm ;)
08:57 <joda_bot> #good evening
08:57 <wrtlprnft> :D
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #u
08:57 <armabot> spidey: 15:56:27 up 64 days, 16:01, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
08:57 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Where is meritons code ?
08:57 <joda_bot> or where is meriton ?
08:57 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5231
08:58 <cusco> font file
08:58 <cusco> how do I change the font file wrtlprnft ?
08:58 <wrtlprnft> cusco: put any TTF font file into textures/ and say FONT_FILE filename.ttf on the console
08:59 <wrtlprnft> or just FONT_FILE font.ttf which gives you a nice proportional fount
08:59 <wrtlprnft> *font
08:59 <cusco> any..
08:59 <wrtlprnft> anything FTGL will eat
08:59 <cusco> ok let me look in my ssytem for some :p
08:59 <wrtlprnft> which is pretty much all important formats
09:01 <cusco> wrtlprnft: where is the textures folder located at?!
09:01 <wrtlprnft> ~/.armagetronad/textures
09:02 <wrtlprnft> or in share/ somewhere, they both get overlayed
09:02 <cusco> so I can just create that folder, yea?
09:02 <wrtlprnft> yep
09:05 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Do you know how z-man does his merges ?
09:07 <cusco> yay
09:07 <cusco> fonts
09:07 <cusco> !!
09:08 <cusco> /media/windows/WINDOWS/Fonts/comic.ttf
09:08 <cusco> :P
09:10 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no, sry
09:11 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the problem is that I updated the build system / winlibs for branch/0.3.0
09:11 <joda_bot> but not for trunk
09:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Why are my categroies always listed as "edit" by default ?
09:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:16 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ah I did not describe the categories
09:17 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:17 <wrtlprnft> g2g, sorry
09:21 <luke-jr__> cusco: wrtlprnft: "Walls" is the original game name for AA
09:22 <luke-jr__> cusco: yes, fonts are very nice
09:22 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: svn merge =p
09:23 <luke-jr__> + script
09:26 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5421 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: distfiles dir variable
09:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5422 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: fix rcsid filter
09:45 <luke-jr__> aabeta switched to Svn
09:47 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5423 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php:
09:47 <armabot> armagetronad: distfiles needs a seperate hostname
09:47 <armabot> armagetronad: no more rsync'd mirrors, so don't check mod date
09:49 <cusco> luke-jr__: so Im using
09:49 <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~$ armagetronad -v
09:49 <cusco> This is Armagetron version 0.3.0_alpha5009.
09:49 <cusco> is that the lattest one?
09:50 <cusco> Im lagging like hell.... :|
09:50 <cusco> my terminal spits out some mensages while playing..
09:50 <luke-jr__> cusco: not quite
09:50 <cusco> oh.. where can I get the latest then?
09:51 <luke-jr__> see armabot's last announcement?
09:51 <luke-jr__> that means the latest are alpha5423 =p
09:51 <luke-jr__> you can get the latest code from subversion
09:54 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5424 /www/beta/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Cleanup CVS stuff
09:54 <luke-jr__> there, now latest rev is 5424
09:54 <luke-jr__> though it's no different than 5423 =p
09:56 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: What script ?
09:56 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: do I have to generate the commets myself ?
09:56 <joda_bot> z-man has those nice comments ;)
09:56 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: those nice comments are 'svn log' more or less =p
09:56 <luke-jr__> just ask him for his merge script
09:57 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: that won't help me... I guess ... atleast I'd like to able to get something similiar with eclipse
09:57 <joda_bot> I'll try to have a look at that
09:58 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: from the idea, I checkout branch/0.3.0 and then call svn merge trunk/ ?
10:00 <luke-jr__> doubt it
10:00 <luke-jr__> you need last merge rev # at least
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10:04 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5425 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: fixed update_version - broken by astyle
10:05 <joda_bot> z-man: How do you usually merge branch back to head ?
10:05 <joda_bot> z-man: Would there be a way to exclude certain changes ?
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10:06 <meriton> hi :)
10:07 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: that would be ugly to do
10:09 <luke-jr__> maybe
10:09 * madmax|pt is back (gone 02:09:18)
10:09 <madmax|pt> "wrtlprnft and you get name hilighting too cusco" :O
10:09 <madmax|pt> thats "on" already?
10:10 -!- meriton2 [n=someone@d213-103-154-155.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #armagetron
10:10 * meriton2 slaps his ISP
10:10 <meriton2> hi again, anyone listening?
10:10 <luke-jr__> no
10:11 <madmax|pt> hi meriton!
10:11 <madmax|pt> :D
10:11 <meriton2> :)
10:12 <meriton2> about that compiliation problem I have (see forum): any tips?
10:12 <joda_bot> meriton : hi
10:12 <joda_bot> I'm about to fix it
10:12 <meriton2> cool
10:12 <joda_bot> just have to commit my changes to branch0.3.0
10:12 <joda_bot> and then merge back the stuff to trunk
10:13 <joda_bot> Sorry, I switched to branch 0.3.0 and update_version.bat was broken after I ran astyle on it :(
10:13 <joda_bot> z-man merged most changes back to trunk I guess
10:13 <joda_bot> probably not the winlibs though
10:13 <joda_bot> I'll do that is a few min
10:13 <meriton2> Ok. Thank you.
10:14 <cusco> luke-jr__:
10:14 <cusco> bootstrap.sh: line 15: aclocal: command not found
10:14 <cusco> bootstrap.sh: line 15: aclocal: command not frm: cannot remove `aclocal.m4': No such file or directory
10:14 <cusco> am I missing something?
10:14 <cusco> automake
10:15 <joda_bot> meriton2: saw my post on the forum ?
10:16 <meriton2> the one I replied to?
10:16 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5426 /www/beta/trunk/scripts/updateme: Don't need sudo for temporary method
10:18 <joda_bot> uh ;) did not read that ;)
10:18 <joda_bot> meriton2: what os are you on ?
10:18 <meriton2> windows xp home
10:18 <joda_bot> ah ok
10:18 <joda_bot> Is anyone still using Windows NT ? ;)
10:19 <joda_bot> Might be interesting to know if it's still supported
10:19 <meriton2> :)
10:19 <madmax|pt> the matches/rounds stats have been resetted on fortress?
10:20 <luke-jr__> they aren't saved...
10:21 <meriton2> *** generating version.h...
10:21 <meriton2> #define MINOR_VERSION _alpha5415"/ >> ..\build\tmp\help-16140.txt
10:21 <meriton2> #define VERSION "0.3.0_alpha5415"/" >> ..\build\tmp\help-16140.txt
10:21 <meriton2> - Detected:
10:21 <meriton2> Der Befehl "Armagetron" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder
10:21 <meriton2> konnte nicht gefunden werden.
10:21 <meriton2> oops, sry
10:21 <madmax|pt> they aren't saved? you mean from now on?
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10:22 <joda_bot> meriton2: that's easy to fix ... ;)
10:22 <joda_bot> wait ;)
10:22 <meriton2> ok :)
10:23 <joda_bot> the line should read "SET MINOR_VERSION=%MINOR_VERSION_TPL:DATE=%%DATESTAMP%"
10:23 <joda_bot> and not DATE=...
10:23 <joda_bot> second broken line is: echo. - Detected: Armagetron Advanced %MAJOR_VERSION%%MINOR_VERSION%
10:23 <joda_bot> if you fix those two it should work
10:25 <meriton2> I think I'll just wait for you to commit the fix. I'm more puzzled about the compilation problem with the .rc file anyway
10:25 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
10:26 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5427 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: missed one error and changed Windows Version property to x,y,z,BuildRevision
10:26 <joda_bot> just add a "..\\" to the icon paths
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10:28 <joda_bot> ?ping
10:28 <joda_bot> #ping
10:28 <armabot> pong
10:28 <joda_bot> good, still on ;)
10:29 <meriton> :)
10:29 <luke-jr__> madmax|pt: Bugfarm stats have never been saved, AFAIK
10:30 <meriton> joda, should version.h really read:
10:30 <meriton> 20060625
10:30 <meriton> #define BUILD_DATE "20060625"
10:30 <meriton> --- end of file
10:30 <meriton> (that's what the new script does at my end)
10:31 <meriton> it seems to write most defines to standard output instead of into the file
10:32 <joda_bot> meriton: no, once we switched to svn
10:32 <joda_bot> we're now using the svn revision of the root dir
10:32 <joda_bot> really ?
10:32 <joda_bot> it works for me
10:32 <joda_bot> wait
10:33 <joda_bot> meriton: can you test if appending works in a cmd.exe on Windows XP home ?
10:33 <joda_bot> echo test >> existing_file
10:34 -!- meriton2 [n=someone@d83-180-65-10.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #armagetron
10:34 * meriton2 slaps his ISP with a large trout
10:34 <joda_bot> (17:35:52) joda_bot: it works for me
10:34 <joda_bot> (17:35:54) joda_bot: wait
10:34 <joda_bot> (17:36:29) joda_bot: meriton: can you test if appending works in a cmd.exe on Windows XP home ?
10:34 <joda_bot> (17:36:42) joda_bot: echo test >> existing_file
10:34 <joda_bot> meriton: the batch file should not display the #define lines on console
10:35 <meriton2> it does display the defines. checking appending now
10:36 <meriton2> appending works
10:36 <cusco> Running autoconf...
10:36 <cusco> configure:1482: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
10:36 <cusco> what should I do!?
10:37 <joda_bot> cusco: You need autoconf-2.59 ;)
10:37 <cusco> err
10:37 <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~/armagetronad$ autoconf --version
10:37 <cusco> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59e
10:37 <joda_bot> meriton2: does it complain about missing python ?
10:38 <cusco> isn't that good? :|
10:38 <meriton2> no, script output is:
10:38 <joda_bot> cusco: hm, seems to be ok then
10:38 <meriton2> Python 2.4.1
10:38 <meriton2> - Detected python
10:38 <meriton2> *** reading SVN repository and revision
10:38 <meriton2> - SVN: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0
10:38 <meriton2> .3.0/armagetronad
10:38 <meriton2> - SVN: 5427"/
10:38 <meriton2> 5427"/
10:38 <meriton2> *** generating version.h...
10:38 <meriton2> #define MAJOR_VERSION 0,3,0,5427"/ > ..\build\tmp\help-23236.txt
10:38 <meriton2> #define MINOR_VERSION _alpha5427"/ >> ..\build\tmp\help-23236.txt
10:38 <meriton2> #define VERSION "0.3.0_alpha5427"/" >> ..\build\tmp\help-23236.txt
10:38 <meriton2> - Detected: Armagetron Advanced 0.3.0_alpha5427"/
10:38 <meriton2> Do you want to update 'version.h' ? (requires full rebuild afterwards)
10:38 <meriton2> ..\src\version.h �berschreiben? (Ja/Nein/Alle): j
10:38 <meriton2> 1 Datei(en) kopiert.
10:38 <cusco> joda_bot: so why that error?
10:38 <meriton2> done!
10:38 <meriton2> Dr�cken Sie eine beliebige Taste . . .
10:38 <meriton2> -- end of script output
10:39 <meriton2> #ping
10:39 <armabot> pong
10:39 <joda_bot> meriton2: can you try to escape ">" with "\" "\>\>" ?
10:41 <meriton2> *** generating version.h...
10:41 <meriton2> #define MAJOR_VERSION 0,3,0,5427"/ > ..\build\tmp\help-25767.txt
10:41 <meriton2> #define MINOR_VERSION _alpha5427"/ \>\> ..\build\tmp\help-25767.txt
10:41 <meriton2> #define VERSION "0.3.0_alpha5427"/" \>\> ..\build\tmp\help-25767.txt
10:41 <meriton2> - Detected: Armagetron Advanced 0.3.0_alpha5427"/
10:42 <joda_bot> does not help ?
10:42 <meriton2> exactly
10:42 <meriton2> that was the output
10:42 <joda_bot> Can you look into the windows help for "echo-Befehl" ?
10:42 <joda_bot> I'll paste the Win2k description from "echo-Befehl Anmerkungen"
10:43 <joda_bot> Anzeigen von Pipe- und Umleitungszeichen
10:43 <joda_bot> Verwenden Sie ein Caret-Zeichen (^), um zusammen mit dem Befehl echo Umleitungs- (^< und ^>) oder Pipe-Zeichen (^|) zu verwenden. Geben Sie das Caret-Zeichen unmittelbar vor dem jeweiligen Zeichen ein (z. B. ^>, ^< oder ^| ). Geben Sie zwei aufeinander folgende Caret-Zeichen (^^) ein, wenn Sie das Caret-Zeichen selbst darstellen m?chten.
10:43 <meriton2> erm, are you sure the double quote after the define should be there?
10:44 <joda_bot> which double quote ?
10:44 <joda_bot> huh ?
10:44 <meriton2> in the output
10:45 <meriton2> the output on screen i pasted above, that is
10:45 <joda_bot> cusco: Which version do you try to compile ? luke-jr__ any ideas ?
10:45 <meriton2> actually, "/
10:46 <joda_bot> can you output each variable of that line before ?
10:46 <joda_bot> like echo *%VAR%*
10:46 <joda_bot> meriton2: ah ok I understand the problem
10:47 <joda_bot> the date /t output is different ... I was aware of that, but thought it would work out ... doesn't as it seems ;)
10:47 <joda_bot> no, wait, that can't be the cause, as I called python instead of falling back to date /T :(
10:47 <joda_bot> the output will help
10:48 <meriton2> printing variables ...
10:48 <meriton2> 0.3.0
10:48 <meriton2> _alpha5427"/
10:48 <meriton2> the second line is from echo %MINOR_VERSION%
10:49 <meriton2> seems to append "/ to svn revision number
10:49 <joda_bot> ok, so the for loop earlier messes it up
10:50 <joda_bot> IF *%%i*==*url* (
10:50 <joda_bot> echo *%%i* *%%j*
10:50 <joda_bot> add this line
10:50 <joda_bot> the last one
10:50 <joda_bot> should go to line 36
10:51 <joda_bot> ah wait, we also need that line for "rev"
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10:52 <meriton2> there is already on echo for rev, it confirms the "/ comes from there
10:52 <meriton2> output of the other echo is:
10:53 <meriton2> *** reading SVN repository and revision
10:53 <meriton2> *url* *"https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0
10:53 <meriton2> .3.0/armagetronad"*
10:53 <meriton2> - SVN: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0
10:53 <meriton2> .3.0/armagetronad
10:53 <meriton2> - SVN: 5427"/
10:53 <joda_bot> right, I located the problem
10:53 <joda_bot> The fix is
10:53 <joda_bot> FOR /F "tokens=1,2 delims=,>=</ " %%i in (%AA_DIR%\.svn\entries) do (
10:54 <joda_bot> added "/" to delims
10:54 <joda_bot> then revision is "5427" and %%~j makes it into 5427
10:55 <joda_bot> for me it works as eclipse puts a space after
10:55 <joda_bot> <svn tag revision="1234" />
10:55 <joda_bot> the revision tag
10:55 <joda_bot> does it work now ?
10:56 <meriton2> sort of. the defines are no longer written to standard out. unfortunately, neither are they to version.h
10:56 -!- madmax|test [n=tiago@bl5-11-111.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
10:56 <meriton2> version.h only contains
10:56 <meriton2> #define BUILD_DATE "20060625" \
10:57 <meriton2> (note the slash)
10:57 <madmax|pt> madmax|test :
10:57 <meriton2> oh wait, i've still the wrong output operator
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10:58 <z-man> Whoops, possible tornado warning for tonight
10:58 <ghableska> oo
10:58 <joda_bot> z-man: ?? where ?
10:59 <joda_bot> cologne ?
10:59 <z-man> Maybe not the perfect day to enjoy a outdoor soccer party
10:59 <z-man> west of germany
10:59 <meriton2> joda: now update.h works
10:59 <z-man> heavy thunderstorms moving in from france
10:59 <joda_bot> meriton2: cool
10:59 <joda_bot> thx for your patience
10:59 <z-man> The warning came from RTL, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt
10:59 <meriton2> about that other bug ... the rc file ... be a bit more specific, please?
10:59 <cusco> according to the readme
11:00 <cusco> mkdir ../armagetronad-build && cd ../armagetronad-build
11:00 <joda_bot> the icons pathes are wrong
11:00 <cusco> then: ../armagetronad/configure
11:01 <cusco> there is something wrong
11:01 <meriton2> joda: and how do i fix that?
11:01 <joda_bot> meriton2: you change the path
11:01 <joda_bot> wait
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5428 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: (log message trimmed)
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5033 to 5427:
11:01 <joda_bot> I'll post a correct entry
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: r5427 | yarrt | 2006-06-25 17:25:58 +0200 (Sun, 25 Jun 2006) | 1 line
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: missed one error and changed Windows Version property to x,y,z,BuildRevision
11:01 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:02 <armabot> armagetronad: r5425 | yarrt | 2006-06-25 17:04:45 +0200 (Sun, 25 Jun 2006) | 1 line
11:02 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
11:02 -!- meriton2 is now known as meriton
11:02 <joda_bot> so either check out or change all path to "..\\icons\\armagetronad-16-16-32.ico"
11:03 <meriton> i'll check out again, this might take a while
11:03 <joda_bot> z-man: thx ... but I really should learn how to do it myself ;) I'll try with my next changes ;)
11:03 <joda_bot> meriton: just update
11:03 <joda_bot> ;)
11:03 <joda_bot> svn update
11:04 <joda_bot> should be way faster
11:04 <z-man> joda_bot: the merging? Naa, that's my job.
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11:04 <joda_bot> z-man: So I should not ? ;)
11:04 <z-man> Only in those cases where the automatic merging fails.
11:04 <joda_bot> z-man: what about the winlibs ? ;)
11:04 <meriton> joda: sure, but i got to wait until compiling has halted (I started it once i got version.h right)
11:05 <joda_bot> meriton: ah I know that one ;)
11:05 <meriton> :)
11:05 <joda_bot> uh, my tv signal gets distorted
11:06 <joda_bot> guess tornado is comming :)
11:06 <z-man> mine too
11:06 <joda_bot> and nearly gone
11:06 <joda_bot> RTL will be eradicated
11:06 <meriton> lol
11:06 <z-man> Gone now.
11:07 <joda_bot> ARD, Phoenix, Paderborn and NBC ;)
11:07 <joda_bot> rest is gone
11:07 <joda_bot> oh right WDR is still there
11:08 <joda_bot> z-man: any idea how a pointer can suddenly be zero ?
11:08 <joda_bot> eTeam *team = eTeam::teams(i);
11:08 <joda_bot> if ( team && team != player->NextTeam() && !team->PlayerMayJoin( player ) )
11:08 <joda_bot> {
11:08 <joda_bot> items[ items.Len() ] = tNEW( gMenuItemPlayerTeam ) ( &playerMenu, player, team );
11:08 <joda_bot> }
11:08 <joda_bot> gMenuItemPlayerTeam crashed with a "null" pointer
11:08 <joda_bot> for team
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11:09 <joda_bot> cusco: ok
11:10 <cusco> sorry dudes I...
11:10 <cusco> I am lost
11:10 <joda_bot> cusco: I used to run
11:10 <joda_bot> 1) cd armagetronad
11:10 <joda_bot> 2) ./bootstrap (if it's a check out from CVS/SVN)
11:10 <joda_bot> 3) ./configure
11:10 <joda_bot> 4) make
11:10 <cusco> well
11:10 <cusco> tahts the problem
11:10 <cusco> !!
11:10 <cusco> I don't have a "configure"
11:11 <cusco> really
11:11 <cusco> :|
11:11 <joda_bot> what erros does ./boostrap report ?
11:11 <cusco> oh quite some
11:11 <joda_bot> do you have automake installed ?
11:11 <meriton> joda: you know the code::blocks workspace starts with project armagetron when asked to build the workspace?
11:11 <cusco> yes
11:11 <cusco> I will paste it to the pastebin
11:11 <cusco> hold on
11:11 <joda_bot> meriton: do you use RC2 ?
11:12 <z-man> poor joda, handling two problems at once
11:12 <cusco> joda_bot: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MkdUV422.html
11:12 <cusco> :|
11:12 <meriton> yes, a build from last october
11:12 <joda_bot> z-man: three, asking you a question too, see above ;)
11:12 <joda_bot> meriton: The nightly I'm using understands the "dependency" tags
11:12 <joda_bot> meriton: see wiki entry
11:13 <joda_bot> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
11:13 <meriton> I see. I think i'll manually order the projects for now
11:13 <z-man> cusco: that's definitely an outdated automake version, sorry, you have to uprage or stick to the releases :( There, you don't have to run automake.
11:14 <joda_bot> cusco: so you get alot of errors from automake
11:14 <z-man> uprage -> upgrade :)
11:14 <joda_bot> meriton: should armagetron be the last in the project list ?
11:14 <cusco> darn
11:15 <z-man> What is your version? Maybe we can try to compensate.
11:15 <joda_bot> automake-1.9.6 is the latest
11:15 <cusco> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
11:15 <z-man> ouch
11:15 <joda_bot> :)
11:15 <meriton> joda: this might fix the compilation order, but is not very intuitive on the other hand
11:16 <meriton> i think it's good enough for now
11:16 <joda_bot> meriton: if it helps you working with it
11:16 <joda_bot> I can only recommend the nightlies, because they work very well for me
11:16 <cusco> where do I donwload the latest version of automake?
11:16 <joda_bot> I haven't tried another nightly lately as they are reworking auto completion
11:16 <cusco> oh.. hold on
11:16 <meriton> ok, i'll give them a try then
11:17 <meriton> they are? Cool, it really needs it :)
11:17 <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~$ automake --version
11:17 <cusco> automake (GNU automake) 1.9.6
11:18 <joda_bot> meriton: Nightly News feed http://www.codeblocks.org/nightly/CodeBlock_RSS.xml ;)
11:19 <z-man> cusco: what machine is that info from?
11:19 <cusco> I still get an error on autoconf
11:19 <meriton> I am not that enthusiastic ... (I am more a Java kind of coder)
11:19 <cusco> z-man: mine, I just installed automake 1.9 lol (there was a package :P)
11:19 <meriton> ;)
11:19 <cusco> configure:1506: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
11:19 <joda_bot> meriton: ;) I like Eclipse too ;)
11:19 <joda_bot> z-man: he has autoconf-2.59e
11:19 <meriton> who doesn't? ;)
11:19 <joda_bot> whatever the e means
11:20 <joda_bot> meriton: C++ coders using Eclipse
11:20 <z-man> I have 2.59 without e :)
11:20 <cusco> :/
11:20 <joda_bot> z-man: autoconf-2.59e(xception)
11:20 <cusco> whats wrong with the "e"
11:20 <cusco> ?
11:21 <z-man> We're just fooling around, nothing probably.
11:21 <joda_bot> If Eclipse had a magic incremental compiler for c++ like for Java it would really shine ;)
11:21 <meriton> ah, i keep forgetting there are plugins beside JDT ;)
11:21 <meriton> joda: indeed :)
11:21 <z-man> joda_bot: I'm clueless about the NULL pointer, too, you'll have to debug yourself
11:21 <joda_bot> z-man: ok
11:22 <cusco> but I still get no configure file
11:22 <z-man> I don't know what this SRCPATHS thing is, I'll have to dig a bit.
11:23 <cusco> :/
11:25 <z-man> cusco: try commenting out the line "m4_include(accustomdir.m4)" in config.ac, quite at the top
11:25 <cusco> hold on
11:27 <cusco> yeah! I have a configure file now
11:27 <z-man> cool
11:27 <cusco> what about that accustomdir.m4
11:27 <z-man> it's not important, it gives us some more fine-grained control over installation directories.
11:28 <cusco> hm
11:30 <cusco> I was playing the release on beta.armagetronad.net
11:30 <cusco> and I was always laggy
11:30 <cusco> and I bellieve that my internet connection was ok!
11:30 <cusco> like, not being abused
11:30 <cusco> z-man: thanks a lot
11:31 <z-man> np, joda did the most part :)
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11:31 <cusco> well tahnks both
11:31 <z-man> about the lag: AFAIK, no network code changes were made from 0.2.8.2 to 0.3.0_alphaX
11:32 <z-man> does 0.2.8.2 work fine for you?
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11:32 <z-man> Could it just be that you were playing on a different server?
11:32 <cusco> I was using 0.8.2.1
11:32 <cusco> err
11:32 <cusco> 8.2.1
11:32 <cusco> and working fine yeah
11:32 <z-man> 0.2.8.1, probably, then :)
11:32 <cusco> yea!
11:33 <cusco> damn
11:33 <z-man> Heh. Do you know by chance how you can make a debug recording?
11:33 <z-man> We could use one demonstrating the extra lag.
11:33 <cusco> well.. how can I help?
11:33 <z-man> Because "Lag" comes in as many flavors as ice cream :)
11:34 <cusco> debug recording?
11:34 <z-man> You can start the client with "armagetronad --record lag.rec"
11:34 <cusco> ah! sure I will
11:34 <z-man> that makes a debug recording called lag.rec
11:34 <z-man> which you can zip and send it over per mail or attach it on on the forum
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11:34 <cusco> oki dooki
11:35 <z-man> be sure to state the exact version you did it with, and possibly custom compilation flags.
11:35 <joda_bot> cusco: you should not use a SVN or CVS build for that (as we need the exact version you used to record it )
11:35 <joda_bot> ;)
11:35 <joda_bot> (we that to be able to play it back)
11:35 <joda_bot> uhm, better z-man need it :|
11:36 <z-man> Right, best use 0.2.8.1 for a "good" short recording and 0.3.0_alpha5009 for a "bad" recording.
11:36 <z-man> where the bad recording is the more important one.
11:36 <joda_bot> z-man: Any idea how I can prevent gdb to allow the code to handle the exception somehow ?
11:36 <cusco> hmm ok
11:37 <joda_bot> I need to see the real line the error happened
11:37 <z-man> joda_bot: no, what exception is it?
11:37 <z-man> the NULL pointer exception?
11:37 <joda_bot> SIG_SEV ... in menu
11:37 <joda_bot> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
11:37 <joda_bot> At E:/Programme/CodeBlocks/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.4/../../../../include/c++/3.4.4/bits/basic_string.h:261
11:37 <z-man> No, no clue then.
11:38 * joda_bot tries to upgrade gdb
11:38 <cusco> well... but now lag looks fine!
11:38 <z-man> other then letting debugging continue
11:38 <cusco> on the lattest svn I mean
11:38 <z-man> cusco: of course, that always happens :)
11:38 <cusco> or not
11:38 <z-man> Did you build the alpha from source or did you use a binary?
11:38 <cusco> no no
11:39 <cusco> I have extra extra lag
11:39 <cusco> so
11:39 <cusco> hold on
11:40 <cusco> also on the team menu I see blue and gold teams in double
11:41 <z-man> joda_bot: that's one for you :)
11:42 <joda_bot> cusco: that will be fixed once I got my bug ironed out ;)
11:42 <joda_bot> I've got the fixed menu here
11:42 <joda_bot> hm, wait
11:43 <cusco> no probs!
11:46 <cusco> but but but
11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5429 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/tron/gTeam.cpp: fixed menu bug
11:47 <cusco> how can I have 2 diferent versions at the same time?
11:47 <joda_bot> cusco: ?
11:48 <joda_bot> cusco: I guess you have to checkout a second copy ?
11:48 <joda_bot> just create a temporary directory
11:48 <joda_bot> and copy the sources in
11:48 <joda_bot> you can omitt make install
11:48 <cusco> hm
11:48 <cusco> yea
11:48 <cusco> forget it lol
11:48 <joda_bot> :)
11:49 <joda_bot> z-man: what happens if I fix the in trunk now too ?
11:50 <z-man> joda_bot: I don't understand the whole situation :)
11:50 <z-man> You just fixed something in 0.3.0, I can merge that immediately.
11:50 <z-man> Is there something else?
11:51 <joda_bot> No I just tried to switch a single file to trunk and commit it then
11:51 <joda_bot> failed so far ;)
11:51 <cusco> brb
11:53 <joda_bot> ah works ;)
11:53 <joda_bot> hehe
11:54 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5430 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gTeam.cpp: fixed menu bug
11:54 <meriton> joda: it worked now. I do not recall changing any icon path's, though.
11:54 <cusco> I have the lag.rec file I recorded.. should I record one from 2.8.1 as well?
11:54 <meriton> but who cares, I can re-enable the mercam now :D
11:55 <joda_bot> meriton: z-man fixed the problem in SVN and it somehow worked for me with a wrong path too
11:55 <meriton> ok
11:55 <joda_bot> I guess because the resource was rendered and armagetronad.res was already present and just not updated then
11:55 <joda_bot> :-)
11:55 <meriton> :)
11:56 <meriton> anyway, it works, and that's what counts
11:56 <meriton> thanks a lot for the help
11:56 <joda_bot> meriton: The thing that really make me love smartcam, is that it tends to view the cycle more sideways
11:56 <joda_bot> perhaps you add a factor that the camera moves sideway to give you a better side view ;)
11:57 <joda_bot> ----->
11:57 <joda_bot> * = cam|
11:57 <meriton> i agree this would look cooler, but a constant offset seems counter'intuitive, and a variable one makes it hard
11:57 <joda_bot> that way you can see your cycle (the cam should only move sideways a bit ;))
11:58 <meriton> to see what is straight ahead
11:58 <meriton> btw, you can also see your cycle if you grind tightly :)
11:58 <meriton> and actually, since it is always exactly at the center of the screen, you don't need to see it imho
11:58 <joda_bot> :-P
11:59 <meriton> (of course, that is a trade off between competitive play and cool-looking display ...)
11:59 <joda_bot> meriton: the glance forward key really confused me ... I've not tried to get used to it though
12:00 <meriton> it what way did it confuse?
12:00 <joda_bot> meriton: I don't want it for the looks, I can usually tell mypositions better if I can see my cycle a bit
12:01 <joda_bot> because I could not find a good turnspeed and I'm used to the camera swining back front on it's own
12:01 <joda_bot> meriton: If you try to improve the camera, try to keep in mind that there are some players which really like the old camera
12:02 <meriton> I try to, but its hard finding out what exactly they like about it and which parts actually bother them
12:02 <joda_bot> I met ppl who would not upgrade to newer versions (even if they liked the new maps) just because they missed the old camera
12:03 <joda_bot> meriton: I guess it's just that they got used to all quirks and behaviours of the camera
12:03 <joda_bot> if it's changed, they get confused and are not willing to adapt
12:03 <z-man> Yeah, hand they scream "This new camera sucks!!!!!11!"
12:03 <meriton> Perhaps. What makes it really difficult is that most players are very unprecise when complaining about what they see as bugs
12:03 <joda_bot> meriton: perhaps we can create two camera classes ?
12:03 <z-man> without being able to tell you what actually is wrong with it
12:04 <meriton> z-man: exactly :)
12:04 <meriton> joda: but which two?
12:04 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
12:04 <z-man> I'd favormore camera classes, too. One for the old stuff from 0.2.8
12:05 <z-man> and one tree of classes with new cameras, properly separated
12:05 <madmax|pt> what about that thing that the "Vote" menu stays even if the voting ended but you didnt actually vote?
12:05 <joda_bot> meriton: rather thought of one parent camera and the other subclass cameras realize different implementions
12:05 <z-man> Possibly even a camera construction set where you can pick the bits of code you like :)
12:05 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: on my list ;)
12:05 <madmax|pt> kk :)
12:06 <z-man> joda_bot, madmax|pt : already fixed :) You just need to tell the system to use the new server defined voting items.
12:06 <z-man> It's a setting somewhere.
12:07 <z-man> However, I think it may only work with 0.2.8 clients properly.
12:07 <meriton> i agree that a camera construction set would be optimal, but the camera's differ in really many aspects. For instance, the focal point of some cameras uses a smoothed cycle position, some don't. Also, they use different data structures.
12:08 <madmax|pt> z-man: vote_use_server_controlled_kick ?
12:08 <z-man> right, that one :)
12:08 <meriton> Therefore, the amount of code that could be factored out into superclasses is relatively small
12:08 <madmax|pt> ok, thanks :)
12:08 <z-man> meriton: Not if you use interfaces properly. Take the focal point:
12:09 <z-man> there would be an IFocalPoint interface class with a virtual function GetFocalPoint().
12:09 <joda_bot> meriton: call the camera and give it the game grid ... and let it return the project matrix to use for OpenGL
12:09 <joda_bot> that should allow any implementation ;)
12:09 <z-man> an implementation of that interface would be one building block
12:09 <z-man> and other building blocks can rely on the focal point building block being there and use it
12:10 <meriton> sure, it would work
12:10 <z-man> Of course, it would be pretty darn complicated :)
12:10 <meriton> but refactoring the camera code to support it, while not affecting behaviour in the slightest, is very cumbersome
12:10 <z-man> Maybe we can make a camera xml file definition?
12:10 <z-man> Right, that's why we should keep around the old camera code as it is.
12:10 <meriton> using which interface? ;)
12:11 <z-man> ?
12:11 <joda_bot> meriton: even my interface would not work ?
12:12 <meriton> joda: it would work, but it would not provide us with a flexibly configurable camera system
12:12 <meriton> by itself
12:12 <joda_bot> meriton: that's right ...
12:13 <meriton> (the present camera control logic is more than a thousand lines of code. we don't want to duplicate that effort ...)
12:14 <meriton> z-man: in the short run, i agree with leaving things as is. in the long run, i think we should reduce the complexity of the camera code to permit easier changes.
12:14 <meriton> For instance, most manual camera controls are used very rarely, but add quite some complexity to the code.
12:15 <z-man> Right, and splitting individual behaviours up into building blocks gives us that, IMHO
12:15 <meriton> I agree on that, but simply removing some stuff would be more efficient
12:16 <meriton> and vastly simplify the interfaces
12:17 <z-man> Try it, and you'll hear people yelling again :)
12:17 <z-man> SD, for example, really uses the normal manual camera controls.
12:17 <meriton> hey that's just cheering ;)
12:18 <meriton> hm, what about including these controls only for certain cameras?
12:18 <joda_bot> meriton: How about
12:18 <joda_bot> 1) Step duplicate camera code x times
12:18 <joda_bot> 2) remove unrelated settings
12:19 <joda_bot> 3) add a prefix to each option "oldcam1_custom..."
12:19 * z-man is off for dinner
12:19 <z-man> I think getting a better configuration system has to be done before getting a better camera :)
12:19 <joda_bot> 4) add similiar replacement camers with a well worked out interface system
12:20 <joda_bot> z-man: yes, perhaps the NEW camera system should really use XML based configs
12:20 <joda_bot> like
12:20 <joda_bot> camera joda_bot.0.5.0.xml
12:20 <meriton> I think we should stop making this many options.
12:20 <joda_bot> and it's loaded from resources and configures the whole camera
12:21 <joda_bot> meriton: this would only require one duplication
12:21 <meriton> joda: using what interface?
12:21 <joda_bot> yes, that would have to be designed ;)
12:21 <joda_bot> but you could do it from scratch and the other cameras could still be configured by the old internal settings
12:21 <meriton> if you want one interface for them all, it's going to be one hell of a spaghetti code IMHO
12:22 <joda_bot> meriton: then just make a few different camera types, which can be modified by parameters
12:23 <joda_bot> <xml>
12:23 <joda_bot> <camera>
12:23 <joda_bot> <type="custom">
12:23 <joda_bot> <param="..."
12:23 <joda_bot> </camera>
12:23 <joda_bot> </xml>
12:23 <meriton> That sounds good to me - provided the number of parameters is bounded ;)
12:23 <joda_bot> sure by the type implementation
12:23 <meriton> ... and small
12:23 <joda_bot> but that way people can also share their camera's easily
12:23 <joda_bot> and we'll see which camera's are really popular
12:24 <joda_bot> or not used at all, after some time
12:24 <joda_bot> because the file defines the exact camera
12:24 <joda_bot> Later we might add a gui to modify a single camera XML from the game , and just customize it locally
12:25 <joda_bot> perhaps even support automatic publication ;)
12:25 <meriton> ;)
12:25 <joda_bot> but that would probably generate too much camera conigs ;)
12:25 <meriton> As long as they are no depedencies among them I wouldn't have a problem with that.
12:26 <meriton> My concern is more on the implementation side of the actual control logic.
12:27 <meriton> For that, we need to reduce complexity by reducing depedencies (and options)
12:27 <meriton> that would also permit coders to hack their own camera, and share the code
12:28 <meriton> which permits larger changes than by config settings
12:28 <meriton> that would not replace the configuration by settings, merely complement it
12:28 <joda_bot> meriton: if someone requires another feature he just makes a new camera type
12:28 <joda_bot> (which should be an internal class)
12:29 <meriton> Exactly
12:29 <joda_bot> perhaps common implementations like getCameraFocus() should be provided by a parent class
12:29 <joda_bot> but allow that someone ignores / disables that completely
12:29 <meriton> the internal data structures will probably be different
12:30 <meriton> at least, they are now
12:30 <meriton> but yes, they should have a common interface rich enough for shared functionality (such as glancing code)
12:31 <meriton> or alternatively, there could be a parellel class hiearchy for glancing implementations
12:32 <meriton> e.g. a class for internal, and a class for external cameras
12:33 <meriton> also, configuration screen should be provided on a by camera basis
12:33 <meriton> including key bindings
12:34 <meriton> since the options/controls supported should be permitted to differ
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12:35 <meriton> actually, one might decouple settings from the camera type, but permit several instances of the same camera type with different settings
12:36 <meriton> now that would be design :)
12:37 <meriton> am i talking too much?
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12:38 <joda_bot> meriton: no sounds good ;)
12:39 <joda_bot> meriton: Might be a good idea to make a design proposal on the wiki and work out the details
12:39 <joda_bot> that way others can look at it and add suggestions on the talk page or add ideas
12:39 * joda_bot is back fixing his bug
12:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
12:41 <armabot> +
12:41 <meriton> joda: if someone would be willing to implement this, I would do that, but I am not convinced
12:42 <meriton> anyway, i got to go myself, cu :)
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12:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> meriton is swiss?
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13:26 <[NP]Tangent> #s
13:26 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but an unintelligent stack of currish spit.
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13:30 <[NP]Tangent> speaking of spidey-hating
13:30 <[NP]Tangent> there's vanhayes
13:30 <Vanhayes> #s
13:30 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a bawdy pile of hacked-up samples.
13:30 <madmax|pt> lol
13:30 <Vanhayes> what about spidey hating?
14:05 <cusco> telnet ascii-wm.net 2006
14:18 <joda_bot> ;)
14:18 <joda_bot> cusco: I just wished they would extract the player positions from a above the field camera
14:19 <joda_bot> and mark each player by an . and the ball by an o ;)
14:19 <joda_bot> that way u could atleast see how they move ;)
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5431 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/update_version.bat: fix for problem found by meriton
14:25 <cusco> joda_bot: LOL
14:26 <cusco> yea! true!
14:26 <cusco> portugal is winning 1-0
14:26 <cusco> lalala
14:26 <cusco> maniche!
14:26 * cusco is portuguese
14:28 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5432 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/ (6 files in 4 dirs): improved team menu with "prefix" customization ;)
14:30 <GodTodd> \
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14:33 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
14:35 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
14:39 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5433 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/directx/lib/ (. libddraw.a libdinput.a libdplayx.a libdsound.a libdxguid.a): unused but probably good to have. directx 5.0 import libraries
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14:49 <madmax|pt> PORTUGAL! :D
14:49 <ghableska> they won?
14:49 <madmax|pt> ... not yet :D
14:49 <ghableska> oh, lol
14:50 <madmax|pt> theyre winning at half time
14:54 <Vanhayes_> How long is a soccer match btw 80 min?
14:54 <madmax|pt> 90
15:00 <Vanhayes_> hmm Vanhayes is taking a while to time out
15:00 <ghableska> heh
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15:25 <Joni> Hi guys
15:26 <joda_bot> hi Joni
15:26 <joda_bot> alles klar ?
15:26 <Joni> you know if i want custom bike colors that stay the same if i go on player settings the ones above 15 dont go back to 15
15:27 <Joni> if you understand
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15:27 <Joni> what config file do i put COLOR_R_1 31 etc in
15:28 <joda_bot> user.cfg
15:29 <joda_bot> in C:\Documents & Settings\[user]\Application Data\Armagetron\var
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15:29 <Joni> doesnt it go in C:\Program Files\Armagetron Advanced\config
15:29 <Joni> ?
15:30 <joda_bot> No, those directories are only for the server configurations atleast since 0.2.8
15:30 <joda_bot> 0.2.6 and 0.2.7 use the directory you mentioned
15:31 <Joni> ok
15:46 <Joni> Luke-Jr
15:47 <Joni> i need a username and pass for the resource repository
15:57 <madmax|pt> PORTUGAAAAAAAAAAL!!!!!!!!!
15:57 <ghableska> o_O
15:57 <madmax|pt> :D :D :D
15:57 <madmax|pt> eheh
15:58 <Vanhayes> they won?
15:58 <ghableska> another goal?
15:58 <madmax|pt> 1-0, they won
15:59 <madmax|pt> Netherlands is now off.
15:59 <ghableska> oh...
15:59 <ghableska> pity...
15:59 * ghableska doesn't care :P
15:59 <joda_bot> Watch a crappy match
15:59 <joda_bot> ;)
15:59 <Vanhayes> hmm was canada even in it at all? I'm pretty sure we suck at soccer so probly not...
15:59 <joda_bot> 9 players vs. 9 players
15:59 <madmax|pt> yep
15:59 <joda_bot> 4 players had to leave the field for unfairness
16:00 <ghableska> heh
16:00 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: how many other yellow cards ?
16:00 <joda_bot> are there still player left to play for portugal ?
16:00 <madmax|pt> lol joda
16:00 <joda_bot> I guess the judge was a bit weak
16:01 <madmax|pt> the judge was bad too
16:01 <Joni> England are through to Quarters!
16:01 <Joni> lol
16:01 <joda_bot> He should have handed some players early their red or yellow card
16:01 <madmax|pt> joda_bot, the judge made some wrong decisions too
16:01 <joda_bot> I'd really like to see England fight Argentina or Mexico (though they lost)
16:02 <madmax|pt> huh?
16:02 <joda_bot> But Argentina will play Germany first ;)
16:02 <madmax|pt> where are you from btw?
16:02 <joda_bot> Germany ;)
16:02 <madmax|pt> Good luck then.
16:02 <joda_bot> What's Englands next enemy ?
16:03 <madmax|pt> Portugal
16:03 <madmax|pt> Remember that in the 2004 euro cup, first Portugal won vs England and then won vs Netherlands
16:03 <madmax|pt> it aint that different now
16:04 <joda_bot> I saw Argentina vs. Mexico and that was really good game
16:04 <madmax|pt> true
16:04 <joda_bot> This one looked a bit like rugby
16:04 <Joni> apart from england are going to win this time
16:05 <joda_bot> Joni: I don't see England winning much, they had big problems against Sweden and Germany won 2:0 ;)
16:05 <madmax|pt> joda, did you saw the lack of fair play from Netherlands?
16:05 <joda_bot> England really has to improve a lot
16:05 <joda_bot> I did not see it all, so sorry I might have missed some
16:05 <madmax|pt> oh
16:06 <joda_bot> But from my point of view both did not keep it fair at the end
16:06 <madmax|pt> Well, high stakes...
16:09 <joda_bot> hm, stakes and fairplay can be combined ... I guess they both were desperate, but still why be that unfair
16:09 <joda_bot> rough is a better word
16:11 <Joni> got to go guys
16:11 <Joni> cya
16:11 <Joni> bye
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16:11 <madmax|pt> joda_bot, dont know if you heard, but the president of FIFA was saying right now that the players deserved a better referee
16:12 <madmax|pt> he said that the referee wasnt at the level of the players
16:13 <madmax|pt> Dinner now, bbl.
16:13 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: Would be fun if it's repeated ;)
16:14 <joda_bot> I'd suggest all to wear bullet proof vests ;)
16:30 <madmax|pt> repeated?
16:30 <madmax|pt> lol
16:34 <cusco> anybody here
16:34 <cusco> believes in hipnose?
16:34 <joda_bot> cusco: yes
16:34 <cusco> good
16:34 <cusco> have some!
16:34 <cusco> http://x10.putfile.com/10/29119082574.gif
16:34 <joda_bot> uh, lol, ... I answered "anybody here " ;)
16:35 <madmax|pt> lol
16:35 <cusco> ah.. no probs! if you were not a believer.. you got hipnotised anyway!
16:35 <joda_bot> #message Luke* joni asked for a account for the repository
16:35 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
16:36 <joda_bot> cusco: lol
16:36 <joda_bot> the animated url icon is funny though
16:37 <cusco> that's what I was sayin'!!! hipnose-effect
16:38 <madmax|pt> lol -> fun @ efnet.nl
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16:39 <joda_bot> z-man: how do you do those merges ?
16:40 <joda_bot> do you have a checkout of branch/0.3.0 as one ? instead of checking out branch/0.3.0/armagetronad ... separate ?
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16:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
16:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm off to sleep
16:41 <Vanhayes> night
16:42 <madmax|pt> bye
16:44 <joda_bot> damn, fixed only half of the bug
16:45 <madmax|pt> if it was the legs, at least the bug wont walk anymore
16:57 <z-man> joda_bot: I only have a checkout of the trunk as one, the merge source does not need to be checked out.
16:58 <z-man> I guess the question was "do you merge all of armagetronad/branches/0.3.0?". Then the answer is "yes".
17:00 <joda_bot> z-man: ah good to know, is the script for that in the repository somewhere ?
17:01 <joda_bot> or do you do it by hand each time ?
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17:07 <z-man-home> Umm, pulled my ethernet cable.
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17:10 <joda_bot> (00:03:37) joda_bot: z-man: ah good to know, is the script for that in the repository somewhere ?
17:10 <joda_bot> (00:05:00) joda_bot: or do you do it by hand each time ?
17:10 <z-man-home> I'm getting weird, complicated conflicts in eTeam.cpp and ePlayer.cpp :(
17:10 <joda_bot> :|
17:10 <joda_bot> z-man-home: probably due to astyle ?
17:10 <joda_bot> I ran it and it added stupid white space...
17:10 <z-man-home> Some, yes. But most are real, I'm afraid.
17:11 <joda_bot> :|
17:11 <z-man-home> I'ts bedtime, unfortunately. I'll give it another go tomorrow, but I may have to ask you to merge the changes manually :(
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17:16 <joda_bot> np
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18:55 <spidey> O_o
18:57 <Vanhayes> ?
18:59 <spidey> whoa
18:59 <spidey> <spidey> O_o
18:59 <spidey> <Vanhayes> ?
18:59 <spidey> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
18:59 <spidey> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
18:59 <spidey> lol
19:01 <Vanhayes> same thing showed up here
19:34 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5434 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/tron/gTeam.cpp: fixed crash bug
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19:39 <luke-jr__> #later tell Joni PM me your author name and password on the forums
19:39 <armabot> luke-jr__: The operation succeeded.
19:48 <luke-jr__> so... the migrated aabeta working ok?
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19:55 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
19:55 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
19:55 <spidey> #quote get 17
19:55 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
19:55 <spidey> O_o
19:55 <Vanhayes> bah
19:55 <Vanhayes> #s
19:55 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a plume-plucked puddle of off-color snake.
19:55 <Vanhayes> instant insult
19:55 <spidey> #help Vanhayes
19:55 <armabot> spidey: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who thinks Vanhayes is gay, that's because $who called this command and that's why $who is an idiot. [ignoreme]".
19:55 <Vanhayes> damn
19:56 * spidey 's not a complete idiot :p
19:56 <Vanhayes> no not complete...
19:56 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
19:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
19:56 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
19:56 <armabot> Vanhayes thinks Vanhayes is gay, that's because Vanhayes called this command and that's why Vanhayes is an idiot. [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
19:56 <spidey> lol
19:57 <Vanhayes> lol
19:58 <spidey> brb
19:58 <Vanhayes> ok
19:59 <ghableska> #vanhayes
19:59 <armabot> ghableska thinks Vanhayes is gay, that's because ghableska called this command and that's why ghableska is an idiot. [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
19:59 <Vanhayes> Ha
19:59 <ghableska> nice
19:59 <ghableska> #armabot
19:59 <Vanhayes> heh
19:59 <Vanhayes> not for 10 minutes
19:59 <ghableska> #s
20:02 <spidey> back
20:04 <Vanhayes> #q
20:04 <Vanhayes> nope
20:04 <ghableska> #poke
20:04 <spidey> #echo "Vanhayes [insult]"
20:04 <armabot> Vanhayes [insult]
20:04 <spidey> O_o
20:04 <Vanhayes> pwnt
20:06 <Vanhayes> #s
20:06 <spidey> pwnt
20:06 <ghableska> :P
20:06 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
20:07 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes McSpiddles
20:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: 253, McSpiddles: 2
20:07 <ghableska> haha
20:07 <Vanhayes> pwnt
20:07 <ghableska> #google fight ghableska Vanhayes
20:08 <ghableska> :(
20:08 <Vanhayes> lol
20:08 <McSpiddles> #google fight McSpiddles Vanhayes
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20:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: Vanhayes: 253, McSpiddles: 2
20:08 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:08 <McSpiddles> #google fight McSpiddles Vanhayes
20:08 <luke-jr__> #google fight ghableska Vanhayes
20:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: Vanhayes: 253, McSpiddles: 2
20:08 <Vanhayes> #google fight ghableska McSpiddles
20:08 <armabot> luke-jr__: Vanhayes: 644, ghableska: 470
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20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska: 487, McSpiddles: 2
20:08 <ghableska> oops
20:08 <Vanhayes> wb
20:08 <ghableska> Wow.
20:08 <Vanhayes> #last
20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: [20:08:39] <ghableska> Wow.
20:08 <Vanhayes> er
20:08 <Vanhayes> #google fight ghableska McSpiddles
20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska: 470, McSpiddles: 2
20:08 <ghableska> :O
20:08 <McSpiddles> :/
20:08 <ghableska> how many other ghableska's are there, lol
20:08 <Vanhayes> #google ghableska
20:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.18 seconds: Orbiter Forums: <http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=profile&u=842>; Microsoft Flight Simulator X - Off Topic - Orbiter Forums: <http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1093>; Armagetron Forums :: Viewing profile: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=829&sid=f1f33e90075c5808d13be13547b7b247>; Armagetron Forums :: (2 more messages)
20:09 <ghableska> They're me XD
20:09 <Vanhayes> lol
20:09 <Vanhayes> #google McSpiddles
20:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.29 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://tigersnetwork.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
20:09 <ghableska> heh
20:09 <Vanhayes> o ya forgot bout the stats
20:09 <McSpiddles> 6 spidey 6661 "people think i'm too old for star wars :("
20:09 <McSpiddles> hahaha
20:09 <Vanhayes> lol
20:10 <Vanhayes> Fluffy wrote the shortest lines, averaging 15.7 characters per line.
20:10 <Vanhayes> ghableska was tight-lipped, too, averaging 15.8 characters.
20:10 <ghableska> hehe
20:10 <Vanhayes> close
20:10 <ghableska> very ;)
20:10 <ghableska> wrtlprnft is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 30 times.
20:10 <ghableska> For example, like this:
20:10 <ghableska> * wrtlprnft slaps whoever introduced that winzones give no points in freestyle mode
20:10 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 30 times.
20:10 <Vanhayes> heh
20:11 <Vanhayes> #list google
20:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
20:11 <Vanhayes> #google lucky ghableska
20:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=profile&u=842
20:11 <ghableska> heh
20:11 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Vanhayes
20:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes
20:11 <Vanhayes> lol
20:12 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Vanhayes
20:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes
20:12 <Vanhayes> grr
20:12 <Vanhayes> #google lucky spidey
20:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/spidey/
20:12 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:12 <Vanhayes> lol
20:12 <ghableska> there about would think should right server really could something
20:12 <ghableska> XD
20:12 <McSpiddles>
20:12 <McSpiddles>
20:12 <McSpiddles> Spidey is an mRNA-to-genomic alignment program
20:12 <McSpiddles> you're shitting me O_o
20:12 <ghableska> aww
20:13 <Vanhayes> er ghableska: what?
20:13 <ghableska> no, I was trying to say the most used words and appear on the list
20:13 <ghableska> how often does the stats page refresh?
20:14 <Vanhayes> everday at 4:00 i think
20:14 <Vanhayes> #list
20:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
20:14 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (12 more messages)
20:15 <Vanhayes> omg
20:15 <Vanhayes> that thing is massive now
20:15 <Vanhayes> #more
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (11 more messages)
20:15 <Vanhayes> #more
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (10 more messages)
20:15 <Vanhayes> #more
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (9 more messages)
20:15 <Vanhayes> #more 4
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I haven't seen 4.
20:16 <Vanhayes> huh?
20:16 <Vanhayes> #more
20:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (8 more messages)
20:17 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:17 <Vanhayes> #alias remove armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no such alias.
20:17 <Vanhayes> that is gonna be a bitch to remove
20:17 <McSpiddles> nah
20:17 <McSpiddles> hold on
20:17 <ghableska> geez
20:18 <ghableska> why are people setting of fireworks?
20:18 <ghableska> it's not even july yet...
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20:18 <ghableska> *off
20:18 <ghableska> lmao
20:18 <ghableska> wd Vanhayes
20:18 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:18 <Vanhayes> ?
20:18 <ghableska> did you kill it? :P
20:19 <Vanhayes> hmm was anyone else /msging armabot?
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20:19 <ghableska> wb Armagetron
20:19 <ghableska> armabot
20:19 <ghableska> heh
20:19 <ghableska> what happens?
20:19 <Vanhayes> hmm
20:19 <Vanhayes> #list alias
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (12 more messages)
20:20 <Vanhayes> McSpiddles, did u say u could get rid of that?
20:20 <McSpiddles> yer
20:20 * ghableska is watching a mini fireworks display outside
20:21 <Vanhayes> maybe its because its the end of school?
20:21 <ghableska> no...
20:21 <Vanhayes> it isnt the end of school there?
20:21 <ghableska> schools ended almost a month ago
20:21 <ghableska> :P
20:21 <Vanhayes> true
20:21 <Vanhayes> some ppl are slow tho
20:21 <ghableska> maybe testing out fireworks for the 4th of July?
20:21 <ghableska> lol
20:22 <ghableska> oo
20:22 <ghableska> nice green ones
20:23 <McSpiddles> ok
20:23 <McSpiddles> spam
20:23 <McSpiddles> #alias remobe armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:23 <McSpiddles> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:23 <McSpiddles> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:23 <ghableska> heh
20:23 <McSpiddles> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:23 <McSpiddles> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
20:23 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:23 <Vanhayes> ha
20:23 <Vanhayes> I tried that before
20:24 * ghableska hands armabot a cookie xD
20:24 <Vanhayes> plus there is a : after the \\\\\\\\\\\\s
20:24 <McSpiddles> i know
20:24 <McSpiddles> fuckin word wrap
20:25 <McSpiddles> :/
20:27 <McSpiddles> ok,so i can't
20:27 <McSpiddles> not on windows anyways
20:27 <Vanhayes> lol
20:27 <Vanhayes> <McSpiddles> #alias remobe armabot
20:28 <Vanhayes> heh remobe
20:28 <McSpiddles> oh well
20:28 <McSpiddles> that's luci's job :p
20:28 <McSpiddles> and i want to make a map for my fortress server
20:29 <McSpiddles> so i'ma start reading the wiki
20:29 <McSpiddles> mmm
20:29 <McSpiddles> wonder if you can have 8 axis maps O_o
20:29 <Vanhayes> yes
20:29 <McSpiddles> 12?
20:29 <Vanhayes> u can have from 1 to as many as u want
20:29 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:30 <Vanhayes> one = no turning
20:30 <McSpiddles> lol
20:30 <Vanhayes> 2 is pretty funny
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20:31 <McSpiddles> heh
20:32 <Vanhayes> omg it is so big that you cant fit it it all into the chat
20:32 <McSpiddles> yea
20:32 <Vanhayes> er
20:32 <McSpiddles> you can
20:32 <McSpiddles> but
20:32 * Vanhayes stops screwing around with armabot
20:32 <McSpiddles> who added that alias? lol
20:32 <Vanhayes> no clue
20:33 <Vanhayes> it started pretty small
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> there were only 8000 slashes on that line
20:35 <Vanhayes> only
20:35 <McSpiddles> LOL
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> worse, there's two lines in the config file for it, one that tells you it's locked.
20:36 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> y'all quit making broke-ass aliases, ok? I'm not your mother, your father, or your servant, and I don't really feel like cleaning up that kind of shit
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
20:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, (1 more message)
20:36 * McSpiddles didn't do it
20:36 * Vanhayes didnt either
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> #more
20:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, s, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
20:36 <Vanhayes> it was here before I was
20:36 * McSpiddles llooks at wrtlprnft
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: ssh aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme <commit-info>
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: what's <commit-info> supposed to be?
20:40 <luke-jr__> the IRC message?
20:40 <luke-jr__> basically, it's so I can see the update log and associate it w/ a commit
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> the whole irc message, or are you wanting me to parse it for something?
20:41 <luke-jr__> just something to identify the commit
20:41 <luke-jr__> the whole message is fine
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you need a key to put on there
20:44 * luke-jr__ nods
20:44 <luke-jr__> via IM, preferably
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBALbnCLgQxw/7OlXdKgw58uODOAO1Rt99mph/3+ll6otbBi6JOs4AWIndEywzApqk7wAvWL97RkkHlP14mCASu3X3xaLU+oaCaEAgBPHK4TkGJ99FVmuSORhzGUarAWCoqDwHillbaofSJoC4O5M8ZQMHhKZQuQaTLJPYP+wOL4kbAAAAFQCbviuE8UhAtJuVHbeKpzFoWFyWaQAAAIEAgmSIvaBaLVYcyP8VyEsQhe4A3tiTVVqOsl/26jzCo/hNGGZ5ZgzYw/E7DyfOOUToK48lNtHegOoW699/Rum9j5dlTSqu6NT4JlixBX6I5v3feHuxwxtCLd1NBvKF76nfi45HQc4wvhzUwVb65wHngkB14q85kAswfpYMCe3TPiMAAACADZrWxKylE/ZhSjtB3
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> JT7Ib7ndnSzN9VX1gE+QOOXN1FeJrjpZKqfLIqVng4hPG27o8QCLuDRd53TGliMt4xa2z/ExWvhxc8/G46n8wI02vhc2xXzzDU84= supybot@davefancella.com
20:44 <luke-jr__> IRC likes to mangle stuff ;p
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> pm
20:45 <luke-jr__> ?
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> pm on the forums
20:45 <luke-jr__> ok
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> I logged out of all IM services except yahoo so I'd stop gettin false-positive connections. If my connectio to yahoo drops, I need to know, basically.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> I talk to my clients through yahoo, so it's pretty important. :)
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, pm is sent
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> let me know when you're ready to start testing
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20:50 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: when you're ready to test it, commit something to www/aabeta
20:51 <Vanhayes> hmm is that 2,5 change included in the .3 servers or is it like it used to be?
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
20:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
20:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> what 2,5 change?
20:53 <Vanhayes> in bugfarm a while back it had the walls 2.5 units shorter than the were
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's in the 0.3 servers, afaik. The one where you can grind your tail and have it recede just like if you did it to somebody else's tail?
20:55 <Vanhayes> yes
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20:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's a config item for it. It's active on my server
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:07 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run, return code: 65280
21:07 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5435 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Spurious commit to test armabot
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:08 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run, return code: 0
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5436 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: test commit
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: it should be ready as soon as you get that key in there for user supybot
21:11 <luke-jr__> key has been in there for about 15 min
21:11 <luke-jr__> having other network issues tho
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, for user supybot? I'm getting a password prompt
21:12 <luke-jr__> for user armagetronad
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok, lemme change that real quick :)
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:13 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run
21:13 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5437 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: another to test armabot
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: do you have some way to verify the update script ran?
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21:14 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: yes
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> did it run? :)
21:14 <luke-jr__> btw, why mod releases? it's a real-world file =p
21:14 <luke-jr__> hachi luke-jr # cat /tmp/aabeta-cvsup-1694
21:14 <luke-jr__> Running under user armagetronad
21:14 <luke-jr__> Command: /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme
21:14 <luke-jr__> U /var/www/armagetron/beta/htdocs/releases.php
21:14 <luke-jr__> Updated to revision 5437.
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> just comments to make sure svn committed something :)
21:14 <luke-jr__> no arguments :/
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I gave it an argument
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme " + text + " &
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> where the + text + part is sticking the commit message in there
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> I probably need to escape it.
21:16 * Lucifer_arma goes to see if python has a good shell-escape function somewhere
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:21 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5438 /www/beta/trunk/scripts/updateme: echo orig cmd
21:21 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5439 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: test commit for armabot
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> did it run that time?
21:22 <luke-jr__> yes
21:23 <luke-jr__> it was SSH denying args to the cmd
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> did the args show up this time?
21:24 <luke-jr__> yes
21:24 <armabot> aabeta.dashjr.org update process run
21:24 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5440 /www/beta/trunk/scripts/updateme: log to svnup file not cvsus =p
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm a restart the bot now and get it back running as usual
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21:40 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5441 /support/: Making directory for various support programs, like armabot plugins and stuff.
21:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5442 /support/armabot/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Adding CIA plugin to armabot
21:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5443 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/.plugin.py.swp: Removing spurious file that got added on accident.
21:49 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
21:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:51 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
21:51 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5444 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Added update call to update armabot plugins on commit messages.
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft now you can update the CIA plugin in svn and armabot will update itself when you commit. :) Then you have to reload the plugin, of course.
21:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:54 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
21:54 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5445 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: testing armabot
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> yay, it even works :)
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's a neat idea, luke-jr__, having armabot do stuff on commit messages.
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21:59 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: not really, it's a hack IMO
22:00 <luke-jr__> CIA itself should push XML (RSS-style) notifications out via XMPP
22:00 <luke-jr__> then no special parsing needed
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22:29 <deja_vu> *.*
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> del *.*
22:41 <deja_vu> -.-
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23:07 * spidey is trying to get mbc to lower there rubber from 55 to 25-30 O_o
23:08 <deja_vu> good luck^^
23:08 <spidey> heh no shit
23:08 <spidey> i got the clan leader to make a post on it
23:09 <spidey> she agrees 55 is to high O_o
23:09 <deja_vu> :)
23:11 * Lucifer_arma thinks 5 is pretty high
23:11 <spidey> heh
23:11 <spidey> i can handle 4-5
23:11 <spidey> anything lower
23:11 <spidey> boom
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> you can't grind for shit on my server once you get going, heh. :)
23:12 <spidey> i think i made spidey disappear from tron ;)
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> and with the higher acceleration and cycle wall near....
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> ? what do you mean?
23:13 <spidey> "spidey" no longer plays tron ;)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh, heh
23:13 <spidey> mbc knows me as slackbare
23:13 <spidey> fortress knows me as BlAzE
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> can't even spell your own name right, I swear
23:14 <spidey> ?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> slackbear
23:14 <spidey> oh
23:14 <spidey> lmao
23:14 <[NP]Tangent> #s
23:14 <armabot> You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
23:14 <[NP]Tangent> :P
23:14 <spidey> haha
23:14 <[NP]Tangent> wtf
23:15 <[NP]Tangent> WHO CHANGED THAT
23:15 <[NP]Tangent> NOOOO
23:15 * Lucifer_arma chuckles
23:15 <spidey> i wanted that to get van
23:15 <spidey> but oh well O_o
23:15 <[NP]Tangent> haha
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23:19 <spidey> wb,lol
23:28 <Vanhayes_> #help s
23:28 <armabot> Vanhayes_: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "pwnt [ignoreme]".
23:28 <Vanhayes_> #help vanhayes
23:28 <armabot> Vanhayes_: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who thinks Vanhayes is gay, that's because $who called this command and that's why $who is an idiot. [ignoreme]".
23:29 <Vanhayes_> heh I would have used #s too
23:29 <spidey> i know
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> this guy's willing to start a clan with me if I help him get his server running
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> offer me money instead ;)
23:34 <spidey> lol
23:35 <spidey> what is it that makes a center message display?
23:35 <spidey> center_msg
23:35 <spidey> ?
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> $2
23:36 <spidey> lol
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> something like center_message
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a complete list on the wiki....
23:36 <spidey> k
23:36 <spidey> what's the link? O_o i need to bookmark that
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> wiki.armagetronad.net ....
23:37 <spidey> ih yer
23:37 <spidey> oh*
23:37 * Lucifer_arma can't wait till spidey gets himself stuck in an endlessly recursive spelling correction
23:37 <spidey> haha
23:38 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188165.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> bastard's posted twice, two separate topics, asking for help making a mac os x server
23:39 <spidey> it's not hard
23:39 <spidey> i did it....so it can't be too hard O_o
23:39 <spidey> extract the .dmg.....edit the cfg files in /config and in the terminal ./armagetronad-dedicated
23:39 <spidey> somple
23:39 <spidey> simple*
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to do this center of mass problem :(
23:41 <spidey> lol
23:41 * spidey isn't in physics yet
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> just to spite him, I"m not using an integral to figure out the mass of the thing
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's a triangle! area is 1/2*base*height
23:42 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
23:42 <spidey> ....
23:42 <spidey> i have that shit in 8th grade math
23:43 <spidey> reminds me i need to start working on my packets
23:43 <spidey> gotta test tuesday and haven't touched them
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I still need an integral for the mass
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> normally you make the first integral to get the mass of the thing, then reuse it to get the center of mass on one axis
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> so all I did was use a simple formula to get the area, I still have to make the first integral because I didn't make it yet
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> so much for being a smart-ass
23:45 <spidey> what's a integral?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> oooo, fun stuff
23:45 <spidey> same as a integer?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's the area from the graph to the x-axis
23:46 <spidey> ohhh
23:46 <spidey> i had that in public school i think
23:46 <spidey> was a math bonus
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, one of the problems on the test (that I got right) is to setup finding the volume of a cone using an integral
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you work the integral, you wind up with the formula for volume of a cone that you probably learned in geometry
23:47 * spidey didn't have geometry
23:49 <spidey> i had math,science,social studies,litature,reading,english,and teen healt
23:49 <spidey> health*
23:49 <spidey> now i only have like 6 subjects
23:50 <spidey> oh,i also had P.E. i remember getting a paddling cause i accidently hit the teacher in the face with a basketball :/
23:50 <spidey> she also called my mom,lol
23:57 <spidey> hahah
23:57 <spidey> i almost forgot to remove the (WS) tag before going into mbc
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00:34 <luke-jr__> bah
00:34 <luke-jr__> trunk freezes too oftenb
00:42 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5446 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/ (Armagetron Advanced.tmproj Armagetron.pbproj/):
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.tmproj: Not needed anymore -- use a .textmate_init file.
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: MacOS/Armagetron.pbproj: Obsolete and outdated.
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01:10 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
01:10 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5447 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Added addhandler method to test.
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
01:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <searchstring> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages
01:17 <spidey> mmm
01:17 <spidey> 212.143 *** israelis isp's!! dont try those ranges!!
01:17 <spidey> 212.149.*** israelis isp's!! dont try those ranges!!
01:17 <spidey> O_o
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01:37 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
01:37 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5448 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/ (__init__.py config.py plugin.py): Added handler list.
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01:37 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
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01:46 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:48 <spidey> if you don't see me in a few days.....i won't be around anymore xD
01:50 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
01:50 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5450 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Added conf import line
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah? jail time?
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
01:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:53 <spidey> heh
01:53 <spidey> O_o
01:53 <spidey> Paris got speed bumps
01:53 <spidey> 03.11.06 (5:20 pm) illwill
01:53 <spidey>
01:53 <spidey> So you probably heard that Paris Hilton had a restraining order against her, but did you know why? Well, E! Online reports that the guy who got the restraining order, a party planner named Brian Quintana, feels that Paris Hilton is out to get him because he told her boyfriend, Stavros Niarchos that she has Herpes. Yes, that's right. Paris Hilton has herpes, the gift that keeps on giving...
01:56 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
01:56 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5451 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Blah
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
01:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:57 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
01:57 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5452 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/ (config.py plugin.py): Still trying to get handlers working.
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
01:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
01:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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02:05 <luke-jr__> spidey: integrals are calculus, not geometry
02:05 <luke-jr__> BTW, new all-time low for kick polling
02:06 <spidey> really?
02:06 <spidey> wow
02:06 <luke-jr__> yep
02:06 <luke-jr__> his reason for kicking me
02:06 <luke-jr__> "he's an enemy"
02:06 <spidey> LOL
02:06 <spidey> almost as stupid as the one i got kicked for
02:06 <luke-jr__> heh
02:09 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
02:09 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5453 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/ (config.py plugin.py): Maybe fixed little roup problem.
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
02:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
02:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
02:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
02:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
02:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
02:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> #list Config
02:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> #config
02:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> #config supybot.plugins.CIA.handlers
02:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'supybot.plugins.CIA.handlers' is not a valid configuration variable.
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> make it one
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list Cia
02:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler and listhandlers
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02:22 <luke-jr__> #listhandlers
02:22 <armabot> luke-jr__: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
02:22 <luke-jr__> #help addhandler
02:22 <armabot> luke-jr__: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't work yet
02:23 <luke-jr__> addhandler #commits AACommits armagetronad /msg #armagetronad
02:23 <luke-jr__> ?
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> thta's the basic idea
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> except that "action" will be one of several strings, or a command string. Umm, owner privileges will be required for stuff that goes to the command line
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> if I can get the damn thing to crate a config group, that is
02:30 <luke-jr__> action should be IRC style =p
02:30 <luke-jr__> like 'msg #armagetronad %s' 'exec ... %s' etc =p
02:31 <luke-jr__> maybe support exec -o =p
02:34 <spidey> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
02:34 <spidey> O_o
02:34 <luke-jr__> ...
02:34 <luke-jr__> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.16-gentoo-r8/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.890 MHz) - Processes: 287 - Uptime: 07:33:01 up 23:43, 100 users, load average: 2.12, 2.68, 2.54 - Memory Usage: 1994MB/1003MB (198%)
02:34 <spidey> EXEC Access is denied.
02:34 <spidey> whoa
02:34 <spidey> EXEC Access is denied.
02:34 <spidey> bastard
02:36 <luke-jr__> any reason not to have DHCP leases 5 minutes long?
02:39 <guru3_> lots of traffic renewing?
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02:44 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
02:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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02:51 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
02:51 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5456 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Maybe fixed the stupid group thing.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
02:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
02:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
02:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: , testhandler
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's neat
03:00 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:00 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5457 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Cleaned up listhandlers output.
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
03:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: testhandler
03:03 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:03 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5458 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: describe listed.
03:04 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:04 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5459 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Forgot some wrap stuff.
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
03:06 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:06 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5460 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Changed output of listhandlers to accomodate empty string.
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron testhandler thisisatest "This is a fake action"
03:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: testhandler
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> #describe testhandler
03:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: testhandler: thisisatest, This is a fake action
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list Owner
03:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> #help disable
03:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (disable [<plugin>] <command>) -- Disables the command <command> for all users (including the owners). If <plugin> is given, only disables the <command> from <plugin>. If you want to disable a command for most users but not for yourself, set a default capability of -plugin.command or -command (if you want to disable the command in all plugins).
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> #list Capability
03:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'Capability' is not a valid plugin.
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> #list
03:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list Owner
03:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> #list Admin
03:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> #help capability add
03:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: That command exists in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify exactly which plugin command you want help with.
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> #help Admin capability add
03:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> #help Channel capability add
03:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (channel capability add [<channel>] <nick|username> <capability> [<capability> ...]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will give the user <name> (or the user to whom <nick> maps) the capability <capability> in the channel. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> #help defaultcapability
03:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (defaultcapability {add|remove} <capability>) -- Adds or removes (according to the first argument) <capability> from the default capabilities given to users (the configuration variable supybot.capabilities stores these).
03:30 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:30 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5461 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Implemented echo actiontype
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: invalid syntax (plugin.py, line 106)
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
03:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: invalid syntax (plugin.py, line 106)
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
03:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> #help addhandler
03:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
03:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
03:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: armagetronad, echo
03:33 <luke-jr__> "armagetronad"
03:33 <luke-jr__> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" "echo no action"
03:33 <armabot> luke-jr__: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
03:33 <luke-jr__> ...
03:34 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5463 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: armabot test
03:34 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5463 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: armabot test
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha :)
03:35 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5464 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Removed hard-coded commit notifier.
03:35 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:35 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5464 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Removed hard-coded commit notifier.
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
03:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier not found. Sorry.
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
03:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> now, why didn't it save, I wonder?
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> oh, it didn't load, that's it. Better add the loading code for that stuff real quick.
03:48 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5465 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Stuff to load from config.
03:48 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
03:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:50 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5466 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: More load stuff.
03:50 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
03:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
03:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #config
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: True
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: That registry variable has no value. Use the list command in this plugin to see what variables are available in this group.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #list config plugins.CIA.handlers
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #config list plugins.CIA.handlers
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: @commitnotifier and @testhandler
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #list config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #config reload
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad
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03:58 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
03:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config list plugins.CIA.handlers
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: @commitnotifier
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config list plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: action, actiontype, channel, and searchstring
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier.action
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: no action
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier.actiontype
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: echo
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier.channel
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #armagetron
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier.searchstring
03:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #list config
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #config reload
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #config plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier.searchstring
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #config list plugins.CIA.handlers.commitnotifier
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: action, actiontype, channel, and searchstring
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04:13 * Lucifer_arma thinks z-man should change his name to z-nice-man
04:15 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5467 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: Another test for armabot
04:16 <guru3> aren't we just blasting up the revisions :S
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> makes it look like we're doing real work :)
04:16 <guru3> lol
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft ok, I've got the CIA plugin in svn now and hacked it a bit. If you wanted to beat on it, that is. armabot will update itself with changes, but an owner still has to reload the plugin after changes.
04:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft all that's left are 2 things: make it so that only owners can add cmd handlers and make a function to delete handlers.
04:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft when those two things are added, the hard coded handlers can be removed and replaced with configured handlers. :)
04:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=65901#65901 <--- is this an appropriate post to reply with Read The Fine Manual ?
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: your birthday is still going on?
04:24 <guru3> until i get my gift it is
04:33 <luke-jr__> hm, interesting
04:34 <luke-jr__> apparently, the GPL requires all Windows GPL apps distribute the compiler used
04:34 <luke-jr__> since the exception for distributing the compiler applies to components included with the OS
04:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5468 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Fixed packet loss tolerance, the lag fluctuation now gets added to the base tolerance time, it doesn't overwrite it.
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05:10 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5469 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: I think I got the owner capability thing right
05:10 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
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05:11 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron test "armagetronad" cmd no action
05:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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05:12 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
05:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
05:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: armagetronad, echo
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron test "armagetronad" cmd no action
05:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: test, commitnotifier
05:16 <armabot> Executed 'test'
05:16 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: any networking experience?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: test, commitnotifier
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #removehandler test
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> oops
05:19 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: any networking experience?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> maybe
05:19 <luke-jr__> any idea why I need to flush my routing cache every time my DHCP lease is renewed?
05:19 <luke-jr__> and/or how to fix it?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> no idea
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05:21 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron test "armagetronad" echo no action
05:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron test "armagetronadblah" cmd no action
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: test
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> #removehandler test
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo no action
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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05:23 <dave_fancella> #addhandler
05:23 <armabot> dave_fancella: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
05:24 <dave_fancella> #addhandler #armagetron test "findme" cmd fortune
05:24 <armabot> dave_fancella: You must have owner capability to do this.
05:24 -!- dave_fancella [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has left #armagetron ["Left. See-ya!"]
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate "/www/beta" cmd nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org "/var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message" &
05:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> #describe aabetaupdate
05:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate: /www/beta, cmd
05:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5474 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Added $message macro.
05:29 <armabot> CIA: updated armabot plugins directory
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> #describe aabetaupdate
05:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate: /www/beta, cmdnohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
05:30 * Lucifer_arma hopes it works
05:31 <luke-jr__> me too
05:31 -!- madmax|pt [n=MadMaX@bl5-11-10.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
05:31 <luke-jr__> hi
05:31 <madmax|pt> hello
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron armabotupdate "/support/armabot" cmd nohup /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot &
05:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:32 <luke-jr__> OpenWrt is nice
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> #describe armabotupdate
05:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armabotupdate: /support/armabot, cmdnohup /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot &
05:33 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: is it able to shape traffic on the router's outgoing (LAN and WAN) interfaces ? I'm still using some sveasoft "release"
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> :( it's not working
05:34 <joda_bot> I'd also like to have l7filters ;)
05:34 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: what are you trying to do ?
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
05:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I'm frustrated too, I tried to improve the team menu and add a "join spectators" item there, but I guess I missed a lot of details there
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
05:38 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: what are you trying to do ?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> make armabot update itself
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
05:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:42 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
05:42 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5486 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: another test
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> there, it works. :)
05:44 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
05:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5487 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Reordered so that echo always happens first.
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:46 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
05:46 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5490 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Last test, I swear it!
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> now why did they show up out of order?
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05:47 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
05:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:47 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
05:47 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5491 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: One more test....
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> I give up
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> I want the report of executing the handler to come after the commit echo, but apparently armabot doesn't want to do that.
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
05:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
05:50 -!- Joni [n=5440d8c4@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
05:50 <Joni> Hi
05:50 <madmax|pt> hi
05:50 <Joni> Luke
05:52 <Joni> PM me your author name and password on the forums
05:52 <Joni> which forums would this be?
05:53 <joda_bot> forums.armagetronad.net
05:53 <Joni> ok thanks
05:59 <spidey> EXEC The system cannot find the file specified.
06:00 <spidey> O_o
06:03 <Joni> what?
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06:21 <Joni> Luke have you made the account?
06:33 <Joni> Hello?
06:35 <me435> maybe he's not here right now
06:36 <Joni> Ok. lol.
07:03 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
07:03 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | ANY PROBLEMS WITH BETA.ARMAGETRONAD.NET? BLAME LUKE ASAP!
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07:25 <Joni> bye guys
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07:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5492 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Added one missign check for '\n' as space character.
07:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5493 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Added one missign check for '\n' as space character.
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08:15 <spidey> spidey Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
08:15 <spidey> MBC Arma Veteran MBC Arma Veteran
08:15 <spidey> ? Joined: Aug 18, 2005 ? Posts: 310 ? Location: Mars!
08:15 <spidey> PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject:
08:15 <spidey> lower rubber would be a good idea.....i was talking to lucifer on irc the other day,i asked him about all the bugs i get on mbc but not other servers,he said it was the settings...that at higher speeds and higher rubber packet loss becomes more noticable...which one of the reasons i haven't been on mbc much is because i always either get stuck on the wall..teleport....or double bind one way and get shot the other...the problems
08:15 <spidey> wasn't nearly close to as bad as i get them now as when it was 25-30
08:15 <spidey> O_o
08:16 <luke-jr__> in other words, he doesn't want to fix bugs that don't affect his preferred settings =p
08:18 <spidey> heh
08:18 <spidey> yea he just wants to increase the rubber 10/month
08:19 <luke-jr__> I like MBC
08:20 <luke-jr__> but it lacks rotating maps
08:20 <spidey> heh
08:20 <spidey> i might not remind there anymore if he doesn't atleast listen to me
08:21 <spidey> he didn't listen about anything else i've posted which turned out to be right
08:21 <spidey> but hey,what do i know...i'm just a stupid kid ;)
08:40 <luke-jr__> hm, crap
08:40 <luke-jr__> aabeta is migrated, but aaresources is not
08:40 -!- me435 [n=luke@217.170.53.17] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
08:40 <luke-jr__> kinda breaks the uploader
08:48 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5494 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/.htaccess: new location of passwd file
08:49 <luke-jr__> um
08:49 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma:
08:49 <luke-jr__> it's not workign
08:49 <luke-jr__> #describe aabetaupdate
08:49 <armabot> luke-jr__: aabetaupdate: /www/beta, cmdnohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
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08:50 <spidey> bah
08:51 <spidey> stupid x button
08:51 <luke-jr__> nm, just delayed
08:57 * luke-jr__ ponders breaking misconfigured servers
09:08 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5495 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: repo_pfix change
09:28 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:28 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: It has been said that Public Relations is the art of winning friends || and getting people under the influence. || -- Jeremy Tunstall
09:28 <wrtlprnft> woot, lotsa new things Lucifer_arma :)
09:30 <wrtlprnft> and lotsa test commits :/
09:31 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:31 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5496 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: need a trailing / on that i guess
09:31 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/ <-- we'
09:31 <wrtlprnft> *we're 4th :)
09:33 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:33 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5497 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: remove "No error"
09:33 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
09:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
09:34 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
09:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
09:34 <wrtlprnft> #help describe
09:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
09:34 <luke-jr__> lol
09:35 <luke-jr__> #describe commitnotifier
09:35 <armabot> luke-jr__: commitnotifier: armagetronad, echono action
09:35 <luke-jr__> armagetronad
09:35 <luke-jr__> #describe armabotupdate
09:35 <armabot> luke-jr__: armabotupdate: /support/armabot, cmdnohup /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot &
09:35 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: let's pass out Gentoo =p
09:36 <luke-jr__> imma make the repository announce uploads
09:36 <luke-jr__> =p
09:36 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:36 <wrtlprnft> kinda cheating with all the test commits ;)
09:36 <wrtlprnft> what about a #testcommit command that just pretends there's a commit?
09:40 <luke-jr__> lol
09:42 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
09:43 * joda_bot pretends to be armabot: madmax|pt: The weather in Lisbon is better than in Germany :-P
09:44 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: hey
09:45 <luke-jr__> should the commit user be the resource author?
09:45 <luke-jr__> it would list them as a developer on CIA, I think
09:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: do you create an account for each user of the resource system ?
09:46 <luke-jr__> or rather, as an author
09:46 <joda_bot> btw. we're just using the CIA or is luke-jr__ hosting that ?
09:46 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: explain the questions
09:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: ?
09:47 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: is it a problem if resource uploads cause the resource author to be listed on CIA as an author?
09:47 <luke-jr__> or should I just mention the resource author in the commit message?
09:47 <wrtlprnft> second i'd say
09:47 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: hehe, ok, I know you have to create accounts somewhere to garant access, but how can you pretend to commit for someone who has no real linux/svn account
09:48 <joda_bot> you can't right ? so you have to create a *nix account for each resource.armagetronad.net user ?
09:49 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5498 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: announce resources on CIA ;)
09:49 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: CIA is mail based
09:49 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: mail is totally insecure
09:50 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: oh ok ... right, it receives the commit emails and parses those ... ah now I understand ;)
09:54 <spidey> woot
09:54 <spidey> i got mbc server admin to lower rubber and some other settings to
09:54 <spidey> :)
09:55 <joda_bot> How did you do that ? :)
09:55 <spidey> cause i'm good :p
09:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: low < 20 ?
09:55 <spidey> micro lowered it from 55
09:55 <spidey> to 33
09:56 <joda_bot> Did you enter as "subconscious" and talked to him , eh ? ;)
09:56 <spidey> no
09:56 <spidey> i'll post what i said
09:56 <joda_bot> lol ... ok, we all have to go there now, and cheer ;) until he lowers them further :-P
09:56 <spidey> ower rubber would be a good idea.....i was talking to lucifer on irc the other day,i asked him about all the bugs i get on mbc but not other servers,he said it was the settings...that at higher speeds and higher rubber packet loss becomes more noticable...which one of the reasons i haven't been on mbc much is because i always either get stuck on the wall..teleport....or double bind one way and get shot the other...the problems
09:56 <spidey> wasn't nearly close to as bad as i get them now as when it was 25-30
09:57 <spidey> he said
09:57 <joda_bot> make a wiki entry "HowTo negociate with server admins."
09:57 <spidey> gee, spidey, you could've said something before Razz
09:57 <spidey> Just changed cycle rubber, from 55 to 33
09:57 <spidey> cycle brake from 66 to 99
09:57 <spidey> Someone test it out and lemme know whatcha think Smile
09:57 <spidey> the server rides soooo much more smoothly
09:57 <spidey> and the bugs i was getting are gone
10:02 <joda_bot> spidey: Are all the teleport bugs packet loss related ?
10:03 <joda_bot> spidey: Because if they're not they might be worth fixing
10:03 <spidey> dunno
10:03 <joda_bot> z-man was searching for those :-)
10:03 <spidey> but i stopped getting them after he lowered the rubber
10:03 <spidey> and i don't hang up on the wall and die anymore either
10:03 <spidey> like say you're on the rim double binding
10:04 <spidey> you would get stuck in one spot then die
10:04 <spidey> now i don't :p
10:04 <spidey> .3
10:04 <spidey> er
10:06 <joda_bot> spidey: can you make similiar settings and test locally if the same happens ?
10:06 <spidey> mmm
10:06 <spidey> k,sec
10:08 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma:
10:08 <luke-jr__> SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND: /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme armagetronad: 03luke-jr backup bin ircstuff logs sugar-mambo sugar-mambobot.conf sugar-mambobot.conf.bak tmp r5497 10/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: remove No error
10:08 <luke-jr__> wtf are the stuff before the msg? O.o
10:09 <spidey> no i can't
10:09 <spidey> i'd need his settings that he used then
10:09 <joda_bot> ok, that atleast suggests it's lag related ;)
10:10 <joda_bot> hm, the bug might only be happen if packets are delayed... well if you hear someone complain, just forward them here, and we'll help them make a debug recording of it ;)
10:10 <spidey> k
10:10 <spidey> i could have micro put the settings back
10:10 <spidey> and get a recording
10:10 <wrtlprnft> no z-kraut, can't these darn Belgiums play better?
10:10 <joda_bot> Perhaps we should add a tracing tool, that shows problematic hops
10:11 <joda_bot> Dutch/Netherlands :-P
10:12 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/ed_fake_race-0.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
10:12 <wrtlprnft> :D
10:12 <joda_bot> go ed go ;) make more maps ;)
10:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I noticed that the speed is too high (for beginners) and the default rubber is too low ....
10:13 <joda_bot> Perhaps once the map rotator is there, we can add some basic kind of level support ?
10:14 <joda_bot> like go through this maze map, and if the player reaches the win zone let him advance
10:14 <joda_bot> next map has more speed ;)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:14 <joda_bot> less rubber etc.
10:14 <joda_bot> Who was working on the map rotation ?
10:14 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: ?
10:15 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:15 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5499 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: send on directly to CIA
10:15 <wrtlprnft> me, but I'm still waiting for SD's DTD (ok, i could make it myself, but don't steal my excuse!)
10:16 <luke-jr__> c'mon ppl!
10:16 <luke-jr__> 21 more commits to pass Gentoo
10:16 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:18 <wrtlprnft> let me check if i can fix that text overflow bug
10:18 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I got a very good impression of beginers problems, because I showed the game to some 12 year old kids and they just crashed all the time (ok they had to play split screen and use wierd keyboard (and even mouse configs ;)).
10:18 <joda_bot> But the basic problem was the same, eye <-> hand reaction takes a lot of time for beginners
10:18 <wrtlprnft> and i should maybe add a menu item for FONT_TYPE
10:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:19 <wrtlprnft> but isn't rubber even more confusing?
10:21 <joda_bot> no, I guess not we could put center message between rounds or constant message in the corner of the goals for the map ?
10:22 <joda_bot> like use up x rubber to get to zone and explain the concept
10:23 <joda_bot> They really dig this, then because they can wait a bit otherwise they just die right away and it will be too frustrating
10:23 <joda_bot> trick to get x rubber usuage with only a winzone as goal ;)
10:23 <joda_bot> make two walls with a very small gap but easy entrance
10:24 <joda_bot> thus they have to really hit the wall long enough to pass and reach the goal
10:24 <wrtlprnft> makes sense, but it's a lot of UI work i guess
10:25 <wrtlprnft> though we could have a "tutorial" rotation file i guess
10:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: can you make the resource repository create some kind of XML file listing all hosted resources?
10:25 <wrtlprnft> then we can have a resource browser
10:26 <luke-jr__> we can have that already
10:26 * wrtlprnft is not gonna parse an apache directory listing
10:26 <luke-jr__> =p
10:26 <wrtlprnft> no thanks
10:26 <luke-jr__> an XML listing all the resources isn't the best way either
10:26 <wrtlprnft> what is, then?
10:27 <luke-jr__> a PHP script that lists files based on a query, or some standard like WebDAV
10:28 <wrtlprnft> which is more complicated, methinks, and makes it harder for people to host their own repositories
10:28 <wrtlprnft> for a smaller repository one could just manage the XML by hand
10:28 <wrtlprnft> it should be possible to host a repository on some cheap webspace without any scripting
10:29 <luke-jr__> well, a resource browser wouldn't necessarily support other repositories
10:30 <luke-jr__> while a simple list-of-all-resources works for a smaller repo, it won't work for a big one
10:30 <luke-jr__> and a smaller one has less need for a browser
10:31 <wrtlprnft> maybe make different xml files for different types?
10:31 <wrtlprnft> one for aamap, one for aacockpit, etc
10:32 <wrtlprnft> for the UI in arma to offer any selection, that's the minimum information we'd need anyways
10:32 <wrtlprnft> and those files would only contain the newest version of any given resource
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10:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I'd suggest to just add a index-[version].xml
10:35 <joda_bot> that way players might later get the previous index versions
10:36 <wrtlprnft> and then have a file for every version of arma? hardly possible for a small repository hoster
10:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know a stream where i can watch the fifa world cup games?
10:36 <joda_bot> ah ok, for the browser that does not make sense
10:36 <joda_bot> thought more about the release level listings
10:37 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: serious or fun ?
10:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> serious
10:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know ascii wm
10:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i want a decent video
10:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> stream
10:37 <joda_bot> telnet diego.ascii-wm.net 2006 ;)
10:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nc ascii-wm.net 2006
10:38 <luke-jr__> a small repository is the only time it's practical to have a resource file list, and it is also the circumstance which does not need a browser
10:39 <wrtlprnft> why doesn
10:39 <wrtlprnft> 't it need a browser?
10:39 <wrtlprnft> you could have a list of repository URIs in some setting and the browser would merge them together
10:41 <luke-jr__> why would you need that?
10:42 <luke-jr__> there should only be one applicable repository at a time
10:42 <luke-jr__> if online, the official one
10:42 <luke-jr__> if offline, a single LAN one
10:42 <wrtlprnft> nope
10:43 <wrtlprnft> if ed wants his stuff on his repository there should still be an easy way to select his maps
10:46 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: I found it ;)
10:47 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://www.fussball-foren.net/fussball-live.html
10:47 <joda_bot> That's the link I remembered ;)
10:47 <joda_bot> The Chinese do broadcast most FIFA games
10:47 <joda_bot> for free ;)
10:47 <joda_bot> CCTV 5 or something
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks
10:50 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: ask if you translations of words ;)
10:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ich spreche fliessend deutsch :P
10:52 <joda_bot> oh ah ;)
10:52 <joda_bot> heh
10:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 17:55:22 [freenode] -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-43-82.dclient.hispeed.ch]
10:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> .ch ;)
10:55 <joda_bot> :-P
10:56 <joda_bot> some how thought you're from portugal like madmax ;)
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
10:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
10:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guess why i want to watch the game tonight :P
10:59 <joda_bot> uh, because the other team will not be neutral ? ;)
10:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
10:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:59 <armabot> +
10:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
10:59 <joda_bot> #de
10:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> musst ihms erst beibringen
11:00 <joda_bot> :-)
11:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn
11:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that TVU player
11:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is not working for me
11:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wine doesn't seem to run it
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11:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> moin
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11:38 <wrtlprnft> yay
11:38 <wrtlprnft> i think i found that wrapping bug
11:42 <wrtlprnft> fixed!
11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5500 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/render/ (rFont.cpp rFont.h): Fixed a wrapping bug: if one line was inserted into a rTextField in multiple steps the width counter was reset after each step, resulting in broken wrapping for the player list in the server browser.
11:50 <wrtlprnft> 5500 already? Wow, we're fast
11:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: any chance you can get a redirect from http://resource.armagetronad.net/ to http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/?
12:05 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: luke-jr__: any ideas what happens if a playlist contains a url to a mp3 ?
12:06 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: just use mplayer to watch one of the streams without any additional software
12:06 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: it'll probably just search for a dir named http:/
12:06 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: you might need to install real player codecs though
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5501 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Fixed stupid compiler warning about initialisation order
12:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> joda_bot: could you please give me one of the stream URLs? i can't seem to find them
12:12 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: in the middle of the page
12:12 <joda_bot> Sender / Channel mit Fussball Live erstellt von Fussball-Foren.net - Hilfe | Bookmark
12:12 <joda_bot> Do you have JavaScript enabled ?
12:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should be enabled
12:12 <joda_bot> Search for Fussball Live Streaming
12:13 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The Streams are linked with Windows Media Player Icons and another Icon
12:13 <joda_bot> ah no only windows media icons ;)
12:14 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: This icon http://www.fussball-foren.net/images/wmp.jpg :D
12:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ahhh :D
12:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
12:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't find a working stream there -.-
12:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmm...
12:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna get my TV here...
12:25 <joda_bot> http://kikugamo.com/tvb/asx/cctv5.asx
12:25 <joda_bot> that works under windows
12:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and how about linux?
12:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
12:26 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Not my problem ;)
12:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha ha
12:28 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm gonna say that next time i break the windows build :P
12:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
12:29 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: :)
12:29 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Can I do the same to linux ? ;)
12:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why always those OS wars?
12:29 <joda_bot> No I won't, but just because I'm a polite linux / windows / mac os x user ;)
12:29 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: if you do the same to linux you have a considerable amount of developers against you
12:29 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:30 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: fear the power of the community... let's try to make a vote on dropping windows support :-P
12:30 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: except that the linux user probably find a way to use bots to vote ;)
12:31 <wrtlprnft> put the vote into the dev staff forum
12:32 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: :-P
12:39 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Does mplayer not support the windows media streaming stuff ?
12:39 <joda_bot> hm, perhaps they all use those new wm codec (but I thought I did not install that update)
12:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wmv9 is supported on 32bit platforms
12:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i use amd64
12:46 <joda_bot> ah... hmpf
12:46 <joda_bot> is there not compatibility mode ? ;)
12:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
12:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is
12:46 <joda_bot> but I guess you have to switch kernels then right ?
12:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but somehow
12:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
12:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is 32bit binary compatibility
12:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the kernel
12:47 <joda_bot> What distribution do you use ?
12:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gentoo
12:47 <joda_bot> he ;)
12:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the mplayer-bin package is masked -.-
12:47 <joda_bot> unmask it ;)
12:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna have to see how we do that again ><
12:49 <joda_bot> /etc/portage/package.unmask or something
12:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
12:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that i know
12:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but how the lines have to look ><
12:50 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:51 <wrtlprnft> first look at /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask
12:51 <wrtlprnft> for the reason why it is masked
12:51 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: re 5500: somewhere after 5000, the entire aabeta repository was imported
12:51 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:51 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: re redirect: when I get around to it-- or if someone else figures out how first
12:52 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:52 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: are you sure it's /usr/ by default ?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> put an index.php that does the redirect
12:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yes
12:52 <wrtlprnft> that's the file that masks the packages
12:52 <wrtlprnft> and then, if you want to unmask it, you copy the according line to /etc/portage/package.unmask
12:53 <wrtlprnft> but you always want to read the comment in the file first
12:53 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: If 1% of the Windows users contribute, then 10% of the Linux users contribute-- something similar to that ;)
12:54 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: can you give me portage's error message when you try to merge the package?
12:54 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: Gentoo users have no real benefit from 32-bit mode, and it eats disk space-- hence we don't always care for it
12:54 <wrtlprnft> it might be masked by a keyword, that's usually safer to ignore
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got it
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> had to add 2 lines to /etc/portage/package.keywords
12:55 * wrtlprnft has a benefit from 32- bit mode
12:55 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: oh, I was thinking remapping /* to /resource/*
12:55 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: no, that makes no sense
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could make a chroot environment with 32 bit userland ;)
12:55 <luke-jr__> [Xpert]DarkStar: that's what I'd do if anything
12:56 <luke-jr__> most code is portable tho
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the win32codecs arent
12:56 <luke-jr__> the win32codecs are immoral and illegal (for opposite reasons) tho
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i don't care as long as they make my stuff work
12:57 <wrtlprnft> i'll use them as long as there's no alternative
12:57 <luke-jr__> I'll opt to not support people using such codecs
12:58 <luke-jr__> lavc-mpeg4 and vorbis are better than them all anyway
12:58 <wrtlprnft> the ogg codec produces a lot of flicker for me, and movies encoded with that are useless for me
12:59 <luke-jr__> Ogg is a brand, not a codec
12:59 <luke-jr__> Vorbis is an audio codec
13:00 <luke-jr__> lavc-mpeg4 isn't Ogg
13:00 <wrtlprnft> aurora or whatever it's called
13:00 <luke-jr__> I didn't say to use Theora =p\
13:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn
13:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm gonna stick with the ascii thing
13:02 <luke-jr__> ...
13:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: aren't you happy he is not using the win32 codecs now?
13:03 <wrtlprnft> #...
13:04 <luke-jr__> the ascii thing is output, not input
13:04 <luke-jr__> either aalib or libcaca
13:05 <wrtlprnft> uh
13:05 <wrtlprnft> i think he doesn't mean that, but some source for video
13:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ascii-wm.net
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13:56 <ghableska> hi Lackadaisical
13:58 <Lackadaisical> hi
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14:33 <Lucifer_arma> ...
14:34 <madmax|pt> ....
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14:35 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: wrtlprnft was working on the map rotator
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: heh, I kinda inflated revisions working on armabot. :)
14:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok, i join your opinion: The menu system sucks
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14:53 <luke-jr__> yay it works
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14:54 <luke-jr__> I can mix BASH and PHP code for output
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14:55 <luke-jr__> eg, <*php ...some php code... *><*bash ...somebashcode... *><*php ...continued php code... *>
14:55 <luke-jr__> (variables and such are of course aren't shared between languages, tho)
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: what changed your mind?
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: oh yeh, you can disregard my messages. I did those two things to the CIA plugin. :)
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
14:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
15:00 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
15:00 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5502 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Changed echo to work with some arbitrary text.
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: armagetronad, echono action
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #removehandler commitnotifier
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo $message
15:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:03 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5503 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: Test for armabot
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
15:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: armagetronad, echo$message
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
15:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron wrtlnotifier wrtlprnft echo "About time he did something around here!"
15:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: commit something :)
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron lucinotifier davidfancella echo "Looks like Luci's screwing around again..."
15:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:05 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:05 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5504 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: Test for armabot
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15:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5505 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ (ArmagetronAd.cbp Dedicated.cbp): Disabled custom memory manager for all builds
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15:09 <luke-jr__> davidfancella
15:10 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:10 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
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15:10 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
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15:19 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:19 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5506 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: Test for armabot
15:20 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5507 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/prototype.h: reverting test for armabot
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's neat. Now if there's some way to post to sourceforge's tracker, we can have armabot do stuff there. Have to make it take regex's for that, though.
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15:28 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:28 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
15:28 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5508 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Cleaned up describe output.
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
15:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
15:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, wrtlnotifier, commitnotifier, lucinotifier
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
15:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: Matches on 'armagetronad', Performs action of type: 'echo', On channel: #armagetronDetails: no action
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15:29 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
15:30 <armabot> no action
15:30 <armabot> Looks like Luci's screwing around again...
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: Matches on 'armagetronad', Performs action of type: 'echo', On channel: #armagetron, Details: no action
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #removehandler commitnotifier
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron commitnotifier "armagetronad" echo $message
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #describe commitnotifier
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier: Matches on 'armagetronad', Performs action of type: 'echo', On channel: #armagetron, Details: $message
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> #help CIA
15:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "cia".
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> #describe aabetaupdate
15:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate: Matches on '/www/beta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> #describe ratass
15:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ratass not found. Sorry.
15:39 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: any way you can send the commands to armabot privately ? ;)
15:40 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes you can ;)
15:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: my opinion got changed when i was trying to make a new menu item for FONT_TYPE and failed
15:53 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
15:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
15:53 <wrtlprnft> only echo? what's cmd then?
15:55 <wrtlprnft> guess it's time for me to check out that thing...
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15:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: oh, any change you can delete my account for armabot? I lost my password, I'm afraid
15:59 <wrtlprnft> second. cmd is a system command?
16:00 <wrtlprnft> --#addhandler #armagetron pwn armagetron cmd rm -rf .
16:04 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdate'
16:04 <armabot> About time he did something around here!
16:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5510 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Updated some help texts (or whatever these things between """...""" are)
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16:05 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
16:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" is supported.
16:07 <Vanhayes> #canada
16:07 <armabot> 4
16:07 <Vanhayes> wo that looks messed up here
16:08 <wrtlprnft> get IRSSI!
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5511 /armagetronad/trunk/ (10 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5427 to 5501:
16:08 <Vanhayes> IRSS?
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:08 <armabot> About time he did something around here!
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: r5501 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-26 19:06:50 +0200 (Mon, 26 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed stupid compiler warning about initialisation order
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:08 <armabot> About time he did something around here!
16:08 <armabot> armagetronad: r5500 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-26 18:47:52 +0200 (Mon, 26 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
16:08 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
16:08 <wrtlprnft> i'm not doing anything
16:08 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: irssI!
16:08 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia irssi
16:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.50 seconds: Irssi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irssi>; Irssi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC/irssi>; User:Aphrael Runestar/colourtextrep.pl - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aphrael_Runestar/colourtextrep.pl>; Wikipedia:Scripts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what about storing the time for handlers and only executing them once every 5 seconds at max?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma and i seem to always miss each other
16:13 <wrtlprnft> *me
16:18 <Vanhayes> bbl
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16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5512 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ (ArmagetronAd.cbp Dedicated.cbp):
16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5501 to 5511:
16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: r5505 | z-man | 2006-06-26 22:09:19 +0200 (Mon, 26 Jun 2006) | 1 line
16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Disabled custom memory manager for all builds
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16:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5513 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Rebeautified to faciliate further merges
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16:35 * joda_bot reports swiss vs. ukraine -- penalty shooting -- 1 for ukraine 0 for swiss
16:35 <joda_bot> 4 shots done
16:36 <joda_bot> 2 ukraine - 0 swiss
16:36 <joda_bot> after 6 shots
16:37 <@guru3> woooo irssi works on my 770 :D
16:37 <joda_bot> 3 ukraine - 0 swiss
16:37 <joda_bot> ukraine wins ;)
16:38 <@guru3> lol
16:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> suckers
16:38 <joda_bot> poor [Xpert]DarkStar - I didn't really want swiss to be neutral :(
16:38 <@guru3> heheh
16:39 <joda_bot> Can anyone recomment external (or internal) dvd burners ?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: you should get armabot to do that :P
16:52 <wrtlprnft> FTGL's documentation is pretty incomplete :(
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17:19 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yeah, I thought about storing the time and stuff, here's the problem
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> let's say you do a commit, and then 4 seconds later do another commit, both to aabeta. You want the second commit to cause the update to run, but it doesn't run.
17:20 <Lucifer_arma> Then it's 6 days before the next commit, so the update doesn't get run for 6 days, the site could be broken in the meantime because your second commit fixed it.
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> so a timeout is needed, where if the handler doesn't run for x seconds after the last handler was skipped (due to delay), then it goes ahead and runs.
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
17:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, wrtlnotifier, commitnotifier, lucinotifier
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18:12 <wrtlprnft> #m luci* then make the handler execute 5s after the last commit ;)
18:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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18:28 <wrtlprnft> #notes luci*
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 15 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> then make the handler execute 5s after the last commit ;)
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> ...
18:29 <wrtlprnft> #dotdotdot
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:29:14] <Lucifer_arma> ..., [16:38:09] <guru3> lol, [16:18:19] <Vanhayes> bbl, and [16:13:12] <wrtlprnft> *me
18:30 <joda_bot> gn8
18:30 <joda_bot> #night
18:30 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
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18:32 <Lucifer_arma> come play on my server :)
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19:00 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=66311#66311 <--- important wiki stuff
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=66311#66311 <--- important wiki stuff
19:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
19:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how is the hack preventing you from logging in?
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> apparently firefox is filling in one of the special fields
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's a brandy new installation that never saw the form before, too.
19:04 <wrtlprnft> uh
19:04 <wrtlprnft> you sure you didn't type in the hidden field?
19:04 <wrtlprnft> like, pressed tab?
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it's hidden so I can't see it?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> press tab and you can still type in it
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose it's possible, but there are other people reporting this problem. We talked about it before, remember? With guru3, and basically he said "fix it when it's back on Lucifer's server"
19:05 <wrtlprnft> i just logged in with firefox
19:08 <wrtlprnft> if you do <click the usernamefield><enter "Lucifer"><tab><enter your password><return> it won't work
19:09 <wrtlprnft> if you do <click the usernamefield><enter "Lucifer"><tab><tab><enter your password><return> it should work
19:14 <Lucifer_arma> nope
19:16 <Lucifer_arma> and I wouldn't worry terribly about it until it's back on my machine anyway :)
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'll either put all mediawiki source in svn or I'll put just the files we edit there and put a CIA eventhandler on there and we can worry about it for real then
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the advantage to putting mediawiki source in svn is that then you could upgrade the wiki. :)
19:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:33 <spidey|sleep> o_O
19:34 <wrtlprnft> spidey|sleep: you'll never learn?! the answer to that is O_o
19:34 <spidey|sleep> 42
19:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #unregister wrtlprnft please :)
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> #unregister wrtlprnft
20:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
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20:12 <Lucifer_arma> done
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20:50 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: if you do put the entire MW src there, I suggest starting with the unpatched version so you can diff/merge your changes
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> teach your grandmother to suck eggs :)
20:51 <luke-jr__> ...
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> what are good options to pass diff so I don't get something that tells me all the files are different on every line?
20:52 <luke-jr__> -uBbr
20:53 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: on the "you are a spammer" page, maybe have a button to bypass it? With display:hidden buttons that are ignored? I don't think spambots can figure that out
20:54 <spidey|sleep> O_o
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, much better, thank you
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> can patch use the diff that's thusly generated?
20:55 <luke-jr__> sure
20:55 <luke-jr__> presuming everything is changes in text files
20:55 <luke-jr__> not binary files, nor file adds/deletes
20:56 <luke-jr__> certainly not file copies/moves
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> just changes in text files
21:06 <wrtlprnft> maybe I'll just add some stupid question like 12+42=?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> with both numbers chosen from 0-100
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we'll upgrade and get a captcha
21:07 * Lucifer_arma is planning on upgrading to 1.6 in the move
21:07 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you like
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21:40 <luke-jr__> Captcha 2: How many trees are in the picture? =p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> maybe show a picture of a jar full of marbles and ask how many there are, and you have to guess exactly to win an account
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> rock scissors paper?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> maybe ask them some netiquette questions?
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think I just had an epiphany
22:29 <spidey|sleep> #google epiphany
22:29 <armabot> spidey|sleep: Search took 0.37 seconds: Welcome to SSA Global: <http://www.ssaglobal.com/epiphany/epiphany.aspx>; The Epiphany Season: <http://www.crivoice.org/cyepiph.html>; Epiphany Web Browser: <http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/>; Epiphany: <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05504c.htm>; mozdev.org - epiphany : index: <http://epiphany.mozdev.org/>; Epiphany - Wikipedia, the free (1 more message)
22:29 <spidey|sleep> #more
22:29 <armabot> spidey|sleep: encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany>; Epiphany (feeling) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(feeling)>; EPIPHANY - THREE KINGS: <http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/3kings.htm>; The Epiphany Project: <http://www.has.vcu.edu/epiphany/>; Epiphany Links and Resources: <http://www.textweek.com/epiphany.htm>
22:30 <spidey|sleep> #google what is epiphany
22:30 <armabot> spidey|sleep: Search took 0.56 seconds: Welcome to SSA Global: <http://www.ssaglobal.com/epiphany/epiphany.aspx>; Epiphany Web Browser: <http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/>; The Epiphany Season: <http://www.crivoice.org/cyepiph.html>; mozdev.org - epiphany : index: <http://epiphany.mozdev.org/>; Epiphany: <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05504c.htm>; EPIPHANY - THREE KINGS: (1 more message)
22:30 <spidey|sleep> ...
22:30 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey
23:38 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/untitled.jpg
23:38 <spidey> wtf with that
23:38 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/untitled.JPG
23:38 <spidey> that
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23:44 <spidey> ok
23:44 <spidey> that was gay
23:44 <spidey> i think i found a bug
23:44 <spidey> i minimized tron then reopened it
23:44 <spidey> and the computer crashed
23:45 <spidey> then i had to reboot twice cause it kept hanging up at the "loading windowsxp" screen
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00:51 <GodTodd> is it bad etiquette or anything to just watch BF Fortress?
01:09 <Your_mom_arma> not in my opinion well unless you have a huge ping
01:15 <GodTodd> shouldn't...
01:16 <GodTodd> what's considered "huge"?
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld consider 350+ unpayable and anything over 500ms kickable
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> unplayable even
01:17 <GodTodd> oh...ok....so under 200 would be good then :)
01:18 <GodTodd> er decent at least
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:29 <spidey> O_o
01:30 * spidey broke his desk again
01:30 <spidey> so i spent 30 minutes nailing it back together so it doesn't break again for another few weeks xD
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01:52 <spidey> anyone around?
01:53 <spidey> i messed my toggle window mode up and can't seem to find where to reassign the key for it in .3
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02:36 <Lizz> hiya ppl :)
02:40 * Lizz pokes all the sleeping ppl
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> we're all playing on my server
03:10 <Lizz> its a fub server .. i like it but my ping is too bloody unstable >.<
03:10 <Lizz> erm fun too
03:11 <spidey> man
03:11 <spidey> them colors owne
03:11 <spidey> d
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's the one in my bedroom, heh
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> I need to work on point awards
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> everyone quit?
03:14 <spidey> yea
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually better when it's 1 v 1 and you know the other player is better than you to kill yourself
03:14 <spidey> luci left me
03:14 <spidey> i was heart broken
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> he ony gets 2 points that way
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> if you fight him and he wins, he gets 7 points
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> if you fight him and win, you get 2 points
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> so 1 v 1, the defense has less to lose
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, if I make it so you get 6 points for successfully defending, when it's 1 v 1 v 1, nobody would attack
03:16 <spidey> i would
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> not sure that I would :)
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> if my zone had already been taken and I was the only one left on my team, obviously I'd attack
03:17 <spidey> i would just to see if i could hold it
03:17 <spidey> cause
03:17 <spidey> from what i saw
03:17 <spidey> if you win and your zone still stands
03:17 <spidey> you get the points anyways
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> there's a faulty point award in there, actually
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes you win and your zone stands and you *don't* get the successful defense point
03:18 <spidey> it's a chance
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> need to find out when those points are awarded exactly
03:18 <spidey> but i'd take it
03:18 <spidey> what 2 points per kill
03:18 <spidey> and 2 points per captured zones
03:18 <spidey> that's 6
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you attack one guy and the other guy takes your empty zone, you're dead
03:18 * Lizz slaps spider with a smelly tuna
03:18 <spidey> but
03:18 <spidey> i have a map for that
03:18 <spidey> i can see if he leaves defense
03:18 <spidey> like i did with chuck :p
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> harder to use when you're deep in a zone attack :)
03:19 <spidey> snot really
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'd wait awhile before moving out, then, and see how you did.
03:19 <spidey> i glance at it all the time
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> let you weaken the other zone, then take yours, kill you, and attack the weakened zone
03:19 <spidey> hehe
03:19 <spidey> but if you did that
03:19 <spidey> by the time i killed him...i'd be on my way to yoursa
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I can put a death zone in the middle that only spawns after awhile into the round
03:20 <spidey> isn't there a winzone_posistion console command?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> that would at least make it take longer to cross the arena
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> this would be something I'd put on the map, because I want to keep the expanding death zone that's there
03:20 <spidey> O_o
03:20 <spidey> oh yea
03:21 <spidey> i think i found a bug
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> eat it?
03:21 <spidey> well...actually 2 but one crashed meh computer :/
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> suck it's blood out?
03:21 <spidey> ewwww
03:21 <spidey> that's lizz's job
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're not a very good spider!
03:21 -!- spidey is now known as vigitarian
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, I'll think about it later, right now I need to go to bed
03:21 <vigitarian> slacker!
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell vegetarian
03:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell vigitarian
03:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> haha
03:22 <vigitarian> #google vegitarian
03:22 <armabot> vigitarian: Search took 0.28 seconds: why I am a vegitarian: <http://www.vegsource.com/talk/awakening/messages/17444.html>; Cooks.com - Recipes - Vegitarian: <http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,vegitarian,FF.html>; become a vegitarian . on 43 Things: <http://www.43things.com/things/view/52403>; adventure tours books broadband business at vegitarian .org: <http://www.vegitarian.org/>; (2 more messages)
03:22 <vigitarian> pwn
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> you spell so badly you burn out google nodes
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a pwn
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> #google spell vegitarian
03:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: vegetarian
03:22 -!- vigitarian is now known as vegitarian
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight vegitarian vegetarian
03:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: vegetarian: 76700000, vegitarian: 329000
03:22 <vegitarian> O_o
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> pwn
03:23 <vegitarian> $google fight vegitarian Lucifer_arma
03:23 <vegitarian> #google fight vegitarian Lucifer_arma
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight vegitarian Lucifer
03:23 <armabot> vegitarian: vegitarian: 329000, Lucifer_arma: 79
03:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 10900000, vegitarian: 329000
03:23 <vegitarian> pwn
03:23 <vegitarian> O_o
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:23 <vegitarian> we need a tie breaker now
03:23 <vegitarian> #google fight vegitarian Lucifer_arma
03:23 <armabot> vegitarian: vegitarian: 329000, Lucifer_arma: 79
03:23 <vegitarian> pwn
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> you already did that one, dope
03:24 <vegitarian> O_o
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "spidey sucks ass" "Lucifer sucks ass"
03:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: spidey sucks ass: 121000, Lucifer sucks ass: 121000
03:24 <vegitarian> hahaha
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
03:24 -!- vegitarian is now known as spidey
03:24 <spidey> we both suck ass
03:24 <spidey> lmao
03:28 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=66531#66531 sign in and check out the screen shots
03:30 <spidey> mmm
03:30 <spidey> weird things like
03:30 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, the text looks encrypted?
03:31 <spidey> that happened to me once when i minimized and reopened
03:31 <spidey> just before it hung up
03:31 <Your_mom_arma> no, its color codes
03:31 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/untitled.JPG
03:31 <spidey> that looks cool
03:31 <spidey> but not sure how it happened
03:37 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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04:06 <spidey> #google fight 21 7
04:06 <armabot> spidey: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
04:06 <spidey> O_o
04:06 <spidey> #google fight 21 7
04:06 <armabot> spidey: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
04:07 <spidey> bah
04:18 <guru3> can someone open up the wiki mainpage and paste the first line in here?
04:20 <madmax|pt> This is the Armagetron Advanced Wiki Project. It is a wiki, so you can edit most pages and add new ones, as your heart desires.
04:20 <madmax|pt> o.O
04:20 <guru3> ok
04:21 <guru3> thnx
04:28 <cusco> hellooo
04:28 <madmax|pt> helloooo cusco
04:29 <cusco> wa sup
04:30 <cusco> tronning in
04:30 <cusco> ct wild
04:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5514 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Joining players are always assigned to a team, but a potentially unfullfillable team join wish stays memorized. Older wishes/wishes from higher scoring players usually are given preference, but don't rely on it.
04:47 <cusco> I just compile the latest svn
04:47 <cusco> but it keeps on saying, on the main menu: Armagetron Advanced v0.3.0_alpha5430
04:47 <cusco> how come?
05:16 <luke-jr__> the main menu probably didn't change
05:17 <cusco> forget it dumb of mine
05:17 <cusco> each time I svned
05:17 <cusco> I did not run bootstrap.sh
05:17 <cusco> just ./configure and make
05:17 <cusco> lol
05:31 <spidey> fuuuuuuuuuck
05:32 <madmax|pt> that much?
05:33 <spidey> man
05:33 <spidey> i was playing with a lighter
05:33 <spidey> and plastic
05:33 <spidey> now i got a peice of trash bag stuck to my figner
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05:37 <madmax|pt> spidey. Hmm... That's sick
05:38 <spidey> it's a good thing i can cancel pain a little
05:38 <spidey> it fuckin hurts
05:49 <luke-jr__> baka
05:50 <spidey> i'm not
05:50 <luke-jr__> yes
05:50 <spidey> no
05:50 <luke-jr__> ...
05:50 <luke-jr__> YES
05:50 <spidey> suprised i know a little japanese? :p
05:50 <luke-jr__> not really
05:51 <luke-jr__> I think you could fit in with a few anime crouds I used to chat with
05:51 <spidey> O_o
05:51 <luke-jr__> they were baka also, of course
05:51 <luke-jr__> =p
05:51 <spidey> lol
05:52 <spidey> actually i know what baka means.cause on another irc network i know a guy that uses that namer
05:52 <luke-jr__> I think some are still on Direct Connect
05:52 <spidey> so i googled it
05:52 <spidey> :p
05:52 <luke-jr__> so you don't know what tsutanai means
05:53 <spidey> no,but google's my friend :p
05:54 <spidey> control freak
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05:54 <spidey> no
05:54 <Joni> Hi
05:54 <spidey> clumsy
05:54 <spidey> wrong colum
05:58 <luke-jr__> spidey: who's a control freak?
05:58 <luke-jr__> Joni: upload something
05:59 <spidey> lol
06:01 <Joni> ok ill try
06:01 <luke-jr__> don't try
06:01 <luke-jr__> do or do not
06:01 <luke-jr__> there is no try
06:01 <luke-jr__> in this case, *do*
06:01 <Joni> ok lol
06:02 <spidey> LOL
06:03 <me435> spidey: took you long enough... o.O
06:03 <spidey> huh?
06:04 <me435> like a minute =p
06:04 <spidey> for what?
06:04 <spidey> brb gotta feed dogs
06:04 <Joni> clanfun-1.0.1aamap.xml:2: I/O error : failed to load external entity "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd"
06:04 <Joni> TYPE Resource SYSTEM "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd"
06:04 <Joni> ^
06:04 <Joni> clanfun-1.0.1aamap.xml:2: warning: failed to load external entity "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd"
06:04 <Joni> TYPE Resource SYSTEM "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd"
06:04 <Joni> ^
06:04 <Joni> clanfun-1.0.1aamap.xml:3: validity error : Validation failed: no DTD found !
06:05 <Joni> type="aamap" name="clanfun" version="1.0.1" author="-{E}- Blind" category="Beta"
06:05 <Joni> ^
06:05 <Joni> thats what it said before my the bit i made
06:05 <me435> it's invalid
06:05 <me435> well
06:05 <me435> it's too old anyway
06:06 <me435> it needs to be 0.2.8.0_rc4 or newer map
06:06 <Joni> ok
06:06 <Joni> i made it about a month ago
06:06 <me435> then you shouldn't have used such an old map version =p
06:06 <Joni> i used wiki to make it
06:06 <me435> pretty sure 0.2.8.1 was out a month ago
06:06 <me435> try changing that one line
06:07 <Joni> ok
06:07 <me435> change map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd to
06:07 <me435> AATeam/map-0.2.8.0.dtd
06:08 <Joni> why AATeam?
06:08 <me435> cuz that's the team's authorname
06:08 <Joni> what team?
06:10 <me435> AA dev team
06:10 <Joni> Ok
06:10 <Joni> lol
06:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Blind
06:10 <Joni> Addition confirmed... processing... announcing... Done!
06:11 <luke-jr__> I saw
06:11 <Joni> has that worked now?
06:11 <luke-jr__> didn't you see it announced? =p
06:11 <Joni> yes
06:11 <Joni> lol
06:11 <Joni> thanks everyone
06:13 <Joni> so now in autoexec.cfg i put MAP_FILE Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.0.1.aamap.xml ?
06:13 <me435> yes
06:14 <Joni> Ok
06:17 <Joni> ERROR: Return value 403 != 200
06:17 <Joni> whats that
06:17 <madmax|pt> that's... true
06:17 <madmax|pt> :D
06:17 <Joni> The map Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.0.1.aamap.xml could not be loaded or parsed
06:17 <me435> a bug
06:18 <Joni> how do i fix it?
06:18 <me435> try again
06:18 <me435> I fixed it
06:18 <Joni> its workes
06:18 <Joni> worked*
06:18 <Joni> how did you fix it?
06:19 <me435> I fixed the bug
06:20 <Joni> ok
06:20 <Joni> theres problems with the map
06:20 <Joni> its not big enough
06:20 <Joni> and you can escape from the grid
06:20 <Joni> i left a hole
06:21 <Joni> if i change it
06:21 <me435> bad
06:21 <Joni> how do i update it on site?
06:21 <me435> you upload it again
06:21 <me435> with a new version, of course
06:21 <Joni> Ok
06:26 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Blind
06:36 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Blind
06:36 <guru3> weeeee irc on my nokia 770 :D
06:36 <me435> guru3: just IRC? =p
06:37 <guru3> among other rhings
06:37 <guru3> *things
06:37 <luke-jr__> like the new resource announcer?
06:37 <guru3> like doom
06:37 <guru3> and xtris
06:38 <guru3> got to have the essentials
06:38 <Joni> Yeah. I think it's good
06:38 <Joni> How were they announced before?
06:39 <guru3> g2g
06:39 <guru3> cu
06:39 <Joni> Ok
06:39 <Joni> Bye
06:40 <Joni> you know this line <Map version="1">
06:40 <Joni> do i change that everytime i make a new map?
06:40 <luke-jr__> no
06:40 <Joni> So i just leave it at 1 all the time?
06:40 <luke-jr__> yes
06:41 <Joni> Ok.
06:42 <spidey> finally got me a dedicated linux box
06:42 <spidey> one of my grandmas friends is giving away a nice computer O_o
06:43 <madmax|pt> i want one =|
06:43 <spidey> nope
06:43 <spidey> but i'll have 2 good computers,and 1 nice one
06:43 <spidey> :p
06:44 <spidey> i gotta cut into my sleeping time to go get it O_o
06:44 <Joni> What are you going to do with it?
06:44 <spidey> run a few servers on it
06:44 <Joni> Cool
06:45 <Joni> What's the computer spec?
06:45 <spidey> not exactly sure yet
06:45 <Joni> Ok
06:45 <Joni> how fast is your connection speed?
06:45 <spidey> but processor speed won't matter,and i've got some ram and harddrives laying around
06:46 <Joni> im on about your internet
06:46 <spidey> 3mbit for now
06:46 <Joni> Ok
06:46 <spidey> i'll be getting a dsl connection that's 6mbit in september
06:46 <Joni> Won't you have lots of lag if you run more than one server?
06:47 <luke-jr__> ...
06:47 <spidey> not really
06:47 <Joni> Ok
06:47 <luke-jr__> spidey: build the kernel for a server ;)
06:47 <Joni> kernel?
06:47 <spidey> my ping in bugfarm will jump up,but on us servers it'll be about 210
06:47 <spidey> or lower
06:47 <spidey> kernal = heart of linux
06:47 <luke-jr__> Joni: the program that controls your hardware
06:47 <luke-jr__> kernel = Linux
06:47 <Joni> Ok
06:47 <Joni> i dont run linux
06:48 <Joni> im on windows
06:48 <luke-jr__> pfft
06:48 <spidey> me too
06:48 <Joni> which is better?
06:48 <luke-jr__> Windows sucks
06:48 <spidey> not really
06:48 <luke-jr__> yes really
06:48 <spidey> i haven't had any problems with my computers
06:48 <Joni> i have
06:48 <luke-jr__> because you've been taught they're not problems
06:48 <spidey> .....
06:49 <Joni> what is a problem with it?
06:49 <spidey> all i know is mine runs like i want it to
06:49 <luke-jr__> let's see
06:49 <spidey> don't say security
06:49 <spidey> :)
06:49 <luke-jr__> you shouldn't need to reboot to install stuff
06:49 <Joni> Ok
06:49 <luke-jr__> you shouldn't need to allow Microsoft remote access
06:49 <spidey> you don't have to always
06:49 <Joni> that is a pain in the arse aswell
06:49 <luke-jr__> spidey: you shouldn't ever
06:49 <spidey> i don't allow them remote access
06:49 <luke-jr__> you do
06:49 <luke-jr__> you just don't know it
06:49 <Joni> do we?
06:50 <spidey> really?
06:50 <Joni> omg
06:50 <Joni> lol
06:50 <spidey> is that way i've got everything filtered but what i want :p
06:50 <luke-jr__> you don't have access to your computer's code
06:50 <Joni> luke do you run linux?
06:50 <luke-jr__> so you're at the mercy of Microsoft for bugs and features
06:50 <luke-jr__> of course
06:50 <luke-jr__> on all 5 of my computers
06:50 <Joni> i might get linux on my laptop
06:50 <Joni> how different is it?
06:51 <spidey> lot
06:51 <luke-jr__> much easier to use
06:51 <luke-jr__> you just need to get used to it
06:51 <Joni> Ok
06:51 <spidey> don't say that luke.....
06:51 <luke-jr__> mostly just unlearn the difficulties of Windows
06:51 <Joni> You know for making maps
06:51 <luke-jr__> oh
06:51 <luke-jr__> same
06:51 <luke-jr__> =p
06:51 <spidey> because he will need time to adjust...i know when i first installed it i hated it
06:51 <Joni> is there any program that you can write co-ords down and it plots them?
06:52 <luke-jr__> spidey: Like I said, he just needs to get used to it
06:52 <spidey> i've got some e-books he can read on it
06:52 <luke-jr__> Joni: Nemostultae has a web-based map rendering app
06:52 <spidey> helped me alot
06:52 <Joni> where i get that?
06:52 <luke-jr__> Joni: you don't get it, you use it
06:52 <luke-jr__> I think there's a link in the wiki somewhere
06:52 <Joni> Ok
06:52 <Joni> Thanks
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07:05 <Joni> Sorry left by acciedent
07:06 <Joni> i cant get my spawn points working properly
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07:15 <Joni> Done it
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07:23 <Joni> What is the max size that a map can be?
07:23 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/equal-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
07:23 <luke-jr__> a map should fit within 0 to 500 units
07:23 <luke-jr__> it can be resized with config settings
07:24 <Joni> units?
07:25 <Joni> what do you mean?
07:25 <luke-jr__> x="0" to x="500"
07:25 <Joni> ive gone to 550
07:25 <Joni> wont that work?
07:26 <Joni> how do i resize it on config settings?
07:29 <Joni> GRID_SIZE 1
07:29 <Joni> is that it?
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07:31 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/equal-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
07:31 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/equal-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
07:32 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/equal-0.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
07:32 <luke-jr__> 550 is probably ok
07:32 <Joni> ok
07:32 <luke-jr__> it needs to be around 500 tho
07:32 <Joni> ok
07:33 <Joni> how do i resize it on config settings?
07:41 <luke-jr__> shrug
07:41 <luke-jr__> ARENA_SIZE?
07:41 <luke-jr__> something liket hat
07:42 <Joni> thanks
07:43 <spidey> no
07:43 <spidey> it's like
07:43 <spidey> sec
07:44 <spidey> REAL_ARENA_SIZE_FACTOR
07:45 <Joni> ok
07:46 <luke-jr__> hehe
07:48 <luke-jr__> anyone want to go play my new maps?
07:48 <spidey> sure,what server?
07:50 <luke-jr__> Luke-Jr's Map Test
08:01 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Blind/Beta/clanfun-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Blind
08:05 <Joni> REAL_ARENA_SIZE_FACTOR
08:05 <Joni> REAL_ARENA_SIZE_FACTOR
08:05 <Joni> its says leave that alone
08:05 <Joni> and use SIZE_FACTOR instead
08:06 <Joni> soz about saying the first bit twice
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08:28 <Joni> Hi
08:30 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:30 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: This cultural mystique surrounding the biological function -- you || realize humans are overly preoccupied with the subject. || -- Kelinda the Kelvan, "By Any Other Name", stardate 4658.9
08:31 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
08:31 <madmax|pt> ...
08:32 <wrtlprnft> the plugin isn't lpaded
08:32 <wrtlprnft> *loaded
08:32 <madmax|pt> oh
08:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind loadin the weather plugin?
08:39 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/equal-0.3.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
08:40 <luke-jr__> we should add an optional description attribute to the Resource tag
09:01 <Joni> such as?
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09:13 <luke-jr__> ...
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09:27 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/hexagon_triangles-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
09:47 <spidey> mm
09:47 <spidey> i wonder if i'll get to test in the shirt i'ma wear
09:48 <spidey> it's got a pot plant in the middle and "just try" above it and "it" below
09:48 <spidey> O_o
10:04 <luke-jr__> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/map-preview/
10:06 <wrtlprnft> that script should take URIs, too
10:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/StaffCross-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
10:08 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: works for me =p
10:08 <luke-jr__> Konqueror can submit URIs into forms
10:08 <luke-jr__> who wants to try StaffCross? =p
10:09 <luke-jr__> ...
10:09 <luke-jr__> aww :(
10:10 <luke-jr__> cmon
10:10 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: spidey madmax|pt
10:10 <spidey> ?
10:10 <luke-jr__> go play my new map =p
10:10 <luke-jr__> Luke-Jr's Map Test Server
10:10 <madmax|pt> erm
10:12 <madmax|pt> dont see that serv
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10:20 <wrtlprnft> sec
10:20 <wrtlprnft> was eating breakfast
10:21 <wrtlprnft> no server there...
10:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: I can't ssh to beta.aa.net either, it won't accept my key
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11:04 <Joni> Hi
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11:10 <madmax|pt> luke-jr__ was youre server supposed to appear in the server list?
12:17 <luke-jr__> it was
12:17 <luke-jr__> before I froze
12:17 <luke-jr__> um
12:17 <luke-jr__> why does the HUD map show maps upside-down?
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12:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: it does?
12:20 <luke-jr__> yes
12:20 <luke-jr__> it places row 10 below row 300
12:21 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:21 <wrtlprnft> isn't it supposed to do that?
12:21 <wrtlprnft> 10<300
12:22 <luke-jr__> exactly
12:22 <wrtlprnft> so
12:22 <luke-jr__> row 10 is higher than row 300
12:22 <wrtlprnft> 12:20 <luke-jr__> it places row 10 below row 300
12:22 <luke-jr__> line 10 is above line 300
12:23 <wrtlprnft> huh?
12:23 <luke-jr__> right
12:23 <luke-jr__> it does the opposite
12:23 <luke-jr__> it draws line 300 above line 10
12:23 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with that?
12:23 <luke-jr__> ........
12:23 <wrtlprnft> that's what I'd expect
12:24 <luke-jr__> first
12:24 <luke-jr__> line
12:24 <luke-jr__> last
12:24 <luke-jr__> the
12:24 <luke-jr__> read
12:24 <luke-jr__> don't
12:24 <luke-jr__> you
12:25 <luke-jr__> it's worse than right-to-left...
12:25 <madmax|pt> pwn
12:25 <wrtlprnft> since when are there lines in the map anyways?
12:25 <luke-jr__> lines/rows/y
12:26 <luke-jr__> unfortunately, it seems nemo's preview thing does it the same way
12:26 <luke-jr__> so the obvious solution is to live with it
12:26 <wrtlprnft> in a normal coordinate system y=300 is higher than y=10
12:27 <luke-jr__> true
12:27 <luke-jr__> but paint programs don't use normal coordinate systems
12:27 <luke-jr__> nor do most computer things
12:28 <luke-jr__> y=0 is the top of the screen on a framebuffer (I think)
12:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:29 <luke-jr__> now I need to go flip my Puckman map =p
12:29 <wrtlprnft> but for logical issues i prefer the top to be higher numbers
12:29 <wrtlprnft> it's what people usually expect
12:30 <wrtlprnft> and anyways
12:31 <wrtlprnft> if I would flip it so what's the top right now would be bottom the turns would go in opposite directions
12:31 <wrtlprnft> and that larger x- coordinates should be on the right side is definite anyways
12:37 <luke-jr__> of course
12:37 <luke-jr__> and no, that's not true if you flip it =p
12:37 <luke-jr__> it depends which direction you're going
12:37 <luke-jr__> Though I wouldn't mind an option to rotate the HUD map so your cycle is always going up
12:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: that's what's Lucifer_arma is hopefully gonna do one day
12:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: and nothing prevents you from just inverting the coordinates your paint program gives you
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12:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: ie, if it gives you y=200 you just put y=-200 into the map
12:42 <luke-jr__> =p
12:42 <luke-jr__> that's how I flipped it
12:43 <wrtlprnft> be happy i fixed that bug in the HUD map code with negative coordinates :P
12:44 <luke-jr__> :p
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12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5515 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (engine/ePlayer.cpp render/rFont.cpp tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): (log message trimmed)
12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5021 to 5514:
12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: r5514 | z-man | 2006-06-27 11:34:51 +0200 (Tue, 27 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Joining players are always assigned to a team, but a potentially unfullfillable team join wish stays memorized. Older wishes/wishes from higher scoring players usually are given preference, but don't rely on it.
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12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: r5493 | z-man | 2006-06-26 14:35:50 +0200 (Mon, 26 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:53 <z-man-home> luke-jr__: well, don't just sit there :) send a recording or a callstack.
12:53 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/Clones/Puckmap-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:54 <luke-jr__> z-man-home: pretty sure it's the same one as before =p
12:54 <z-man-home> IIRC, you didn't send a callstack fro that.
12:54 <luke-jr__> oh
12:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft ?
12:56 <spidey> anyone running .3 can test something for me?
12:57 <wrtlprnft> spidey: what?
12:57 <luke-jr__> well, that's why...
12:57 <spidey> my cockpit
12:57 <luke-jr__> gdb can't attach to it
12:57 <wrtlprnft> and i run 0.3, not 0.3.0
12:57 <spidey> i sent it to someone
12:57 <spidey> and it has white lines through the screen
12:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:57 <spidey> sec i got a screenshot
12:58 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/meh.jpg
12:58 <spidey> that's hers
12:58 <spidey> and
12:58 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/tron.jpg
12:58 <spidey> that's mine
12:59 <wrtlprnft> hmm, weird
12:59 <wrtlprnft> and it only gets caused by that cockpit?
13:00 <spidey> seems so...she didn't say anything about the default
13:00 <wrtlprnft> what about the other files?
13:00 <spidey> dunno
13:00 <luke-jr__> z-man-home: can't get a dump-- it's frozen frozen
13:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer/sick/Playroom-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
13:01 <wrtlprnft> wrtlrpnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
13:01 <wrtlprnft> wrtlrpnft/classix-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
13:01 <wrtlprnft> *classic
13:01 <wrtlprnft> tell her to try those
13:01 <luke-jr__> let's go play on my server :)
13:01 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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13:03 <Joni> Hi
13:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft, nope...it doesn't do it on yours
13:04 <spidey> :/
13:05 <Joni> has any of you heard of this new tourny?
13:05 <Joni> stealth clan are charging people to enter!
13:05 <spidey> you're shitting me?
13:05 <Joni> NO
13:05 <spidey> hahaha
13:05 <Joni> something should be done to stop them
13:06 <madmax|pt> holy
13:06 <madmax|pt> but theres a prize too, right...
13:07 <Joni> 50%
13:07 <spidey> if there is,i'm signing up xD
13:07 <Joni> hey keep other half as profit
13:07 <Joni> its poo.
13:07 <Joni> It's a massive scam
13:07 <madmax|pt> does that have a website?
13:07 <spidey> not really......if they actually give the winner half
13:08 <Joni> Not that i know of
13:08 <Joni> they posted it on the clan forums that im in
13:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, also i sent her another one i made it doesn't do it
13:08 <spidey> only that one....
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13:09 <Vanhayes_> stupid connection
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13:10 <Brooky> Hi
13:11 <spidey> wb joni
13:11 <Brooky> so what do you think about the tourny then?
13:11 <Brooky> im joni btw
13:11 <spidey> i know ;D
13:11 <Brooky> it wouldn't let me use other nick
13:11 <Brooky> lol
13:11 <Brooky> whos other joni?
13:11 <spidey> --> Brooky (n=5440d8c4@h10487.serverkompetenz.net) has joined #armagetron
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13:11 <Brooky> lol
13:12 <Vanhayes> happens to me alot too
13:12 <Vanhayes> wait for Joni to time out
13:12 <Brooky> Ok lol
13:12 <Brooky> how long willl it take?
13:12 <Vanhayes> depends
13:12 <Brooky> Ok.
13:13 <Vanhayes> sometimes only a few seconds sometimes(not usually) half hour
13:13 <Brooky> Ok.
13:13 -!- Joni [n=5440d8c4@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"]
13:13 <Brooky> I think its wrong what they are doing.
13:13 -!- Brooky is now known as Joni
13:13 <Joni> right... lol
13:14 <Joni> They do not even charge for people to use the game so why are people taking advantage of that
13:14 <Joni> Is there any way of stopping them doing it?
13:15 <Vanhayes> dont join
13:15 <Joni> dont what?
13:15 <Vanhayes> dont pay to join their comp
13:15 <Joni> Ok.
13:16 <Vanhayes> no one can really stop them from charging the money, there is no legal right that i am aware of anyway
13:16 <Vanhayes> but I am pretty sure they will get little if any money out of this
13:16 <spidey> if they don't pay the 50% to the winner....the winnder could sue them :p
13:17 <Joni> Ok.
13:17 <Vanhayes> that would be legal ya, false advertising and all that
13:18 <luke-jr__> with cycle_rubber 500 I always win :)
13:18 <Joni> Ok
13:18 <Joni> Check it out
13:18 <Joni> www.stealth.clan.pro
13:19 <Joni> How do i get server stats to work
13:20 <Joni> on the clans website
13:22 <Vanhayes> wow I have never seen a single =(S)= member before
13:22 <Joni> lol
13:22 <Joni> does anyone have any scripts??
13:26 <luke-jr__> ...?
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13:29 <Brooky> its done it again lol
13:30 <Brooky> does anyone have any idea how to get my server ladder onto a website.
13:30 <Brooky> The same with online players
13:31 <Brooky> Does anyone have a script?
13:31 <luke-jr__> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php
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13:33 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
13:33 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
13:34 <z-man-home> Well, the "paying for entering" tournament model has the advandage that teams are less likely to drop out due to lack of interest.
13:34 <z-man-home> luke-jr__: have you tried remote debugging?
13:34 <Vanhayes> Brooky, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=64761&sid=4da744076bb9d396dc4664e0bca72ede#64761 i think that is what u are looking for?
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13:36 <luke-jr__> z-man-home: ?
13:36 <luke-jr__> z-man-home: I can't attach *locally*
13:37 <z-man-home> ssh from another machine, set DISPLAY to the local display, and start AA directly in gdb
13:37 <z-man-home> you don't have to attach if you start the game in the debugger :)
13:37 <luke-jr__> <.<
13:39 <luke-jr__> Mix_FadeInMusicPos
13:40 <luke-jr__> hm, guess what
13:40 <luke-jr__> if I modprobe my sound stuff, it works =p
14:23 * spidey will not offer to make anyone else a cockpit O_o
14:23 <Vanhayes> get a repository account
14:23 <spidey> ?
14:24 <Vanhayes> so ppl can download your cockpit in-game
14:25 <spidey> well
14:25 <spidey> firs
14:25 <spidey> first
14:25 <spidey> can you test my origanol cockpit ?
14:26 <spidey> it's fucked up for soemone else....but looks perfect for me
14:26 <Vanhayes> give me someway to Download it and ya i will
14:27 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/test.xml
14:27 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/test4.xml
14:29 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/test4.zip
14:29 <spidey> there you can download it :p
14:30 <Vanhayes> gos this irc client sucks
14:30 <Vanhayes> god*
14:30 <spidey> heh
14:30 <Vanhayes> it wont open the links
14:30 <Vanhayes> i have to copy
14:30 <spidey> heh
14:32 <Vanhayes> ok got it just need to try it
14:32 <spidey> k
14:34 <Vanhayes> It works but you named it different than what is the usual way
14:34 <spidey> ya
14:34 <spidey> cause i'm lazy
14:34 <spidey> no white lines?
14:34 <Vanhayes> instead of test4-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml it is only test4.xml
14:34 <Vanhayes> er hold on
14:34 <spidey> yea...cause i'm lazy :p
14:35 <Vanhayes> where are the white lins usually?
14:35 <Vanhayes> none here
14:35 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/meh.jpg
14:36 * Vanhayes hits his IRC client
14:36 <spidey> lmao
14:36 <Vanhayes> wow those are huge lines
14:37 <spidey> yea
14:37 <spidey> it only did it when she loaded my cockpit
14:37 <z-man-home> people eaters on swamplords teams!
14:38 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/mmm.JPG
14:38 <spidey> that's my 3rd one
14:38 * spidey pokes z-man-home
14:38 * spidey goes to pwn the people eaters
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15:03 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: your IRC client doesn't suck, spidey's "link" sucks
15:04 <wrtlprnft> it's missing the protocol. http://falling-angels.com/test4.xml should be a link
15:05 <wrtlprnft> insert rant about people omitting the http:// but including the stupid useless www. here
15:06 <wrtlprnft> and spidey obviously loves hijacking other peoples' servers
15:07 <wrtlprnft> can't imagine spidey having anything to do with some german dance group
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15:09 <Joni> Hi guys
15:10 <Joni> have any of you people got any scripts for server stats?
15:11 <wrtlprnft> i do
15:11 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/mbc.php
15:12 <Joni> ok
15:12 <Joni> thanks mate
15:12 <Joni> how do i use it?
15:12 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/ed_race_fortress-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
15:13 <wrtlprnft> you don't if you don't know any PHP :P
15:13 <Joni> i know abit
15:14 <Joni> i want to make one of them pages for my server
15:14 <Joni> could you help me please?
15:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm, second
15:14 <Joni> Okies
15:16 <Joni> Ready?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php.txt
15:17 <wrtlprnft> that's a php script, here's what you need to change
15:17 <wrtlprnft> :
15:17 <wrtlprnft> line 9, the title, obviously
15:17 <wrtlprnft> line 6, same thing
15:18 <wrtlprnft> and line 144-147 need to contain filepaths/URIs to the stat files armagetronad creates
15:18 <Joni> URI???
15:19 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php.txt <-- that's an URI
15:19 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is URI
15:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: URI: uniform resource identifier
15:19 <Joni> Ok
15:19 <wrtlprnft> uh, yeah, and around line 33 you can add more clan tags you wanna filter out
15:20 <wrtlprnft> so, for example, the scores of "wrtlprnft |mbc|" and "wrtlprnft" are added together because it knows mbc is a clan tag
15:20 <Joni> ok
15:20 * spidey thinks wrtlprnft underestimates him
15:20 <Joni> lol
15:20 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:21 * Vanhayes think wrtlprnft estimates spidey correctly
15:21 <spidey> not hardly ;)
15:21 * wrtlprnft thinks spidey is a jerk and is probably correct :P
15:21 <Vanhayes> lol
15:21 <wrtlprnft> ;)
15:21 <Vanhayes> #help s
15:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "pwnt [ignoreme]".
15:22 <wrtlprnft> haha
15:22 <wrtlprnft> #s
15:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but an impure mound of culturally-unsound poopy.
15:23 <spidey> jerk? :/
15:23 <wrtlprnft> jerk in the sense o hijacking other peoples' servers :P
15:23 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5516 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php: distfiles.aabeta.dashjr.org restructure
15:24 <spidey> 2 things
15:24 <wrtlprnft> err, uh, sorry
15:24 <Vanhayes> #list alias
15:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, (1 more message)
15:24 <wrtlprnft> i was looking at http://falling-angles.com/
15:24 <Vanhayes> #more
15:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, s, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
15:24 <spidey> 1.....i didn't really highjack them...yes i could do whatever i want...but that list has set idle sense the scans
15:24 <wrtlprnft> not http://fallin-angles.com
15:25 <Vanhayes> #google a good IRC client for windows
15:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.17 seconds: ircII: command line IRC client: <http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircii/>; Internet Relay Chat ( IRC ) Help: <http://www.irchelp.org/>; Download IRC Clients - Softpedia: <http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Chat/IRC-Clients/>; Introduction to mIRC: <http://www.mirc.com/mirc.html>; IRC Frequently Asked Questions: <http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html>; (2 more messages)
15:25 <spidey> 2 there's only one i was testing on...but sense i terminated the vnc i really dont' care
15:25 <spidey> :)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: IRSSI or opera :S
15:25 <spidey> notice my server isn't up anymore?
15:25 <spidey> cause i shut it down and killed there vnc process :)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i was looking at http://falling-angles.com/ and that's certainly not yours
15:26 <Vanhayes> IRSSI isnt for window I don't think
15:26 <spidey> that's not mine dude
15:26 <wrtlprnft> cygwin?
15:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i know
15:26 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
15:26 <spidey> and it is mine
15:26 <spidey> i pay for the fucking thing
15:26 <spidey> so don't say it isn't
15:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yes, i was mixing that up
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15:27 * Lucifer_arma stomps on all touchy nerves
15:27 * Vanhayes just stomps for the sake of stomping
15:28 * Lucifer_arma stomps on Vanhayes little friend - make of that what you will.
15:28 <spidey> and don't try to judge.....i did like joda said and left a txt saying "update your vnc the current version you're using is exploitable" on the desktop
15:28 <spidey> on most of them
15:28 <spidey> the rest killed the process thereselves
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> did you leave them an email address and phone number for them to call you for more information?
15:29 <spidey> ugh
15:29 <spidey> no
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> THEN YOU GOT NO BALLS, KIDDIE!!!!
15:29 * Lucifer_arma goes to find the leet translater
15:29 <wrtlprnft> leave them a link to http://gentoo.org
15:29 * spidey sighs
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15:30 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, what would I download for windows to get IRSSI to work?
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> 7H3N ?0u 907 N0 B4??$, |{1??13!!!!
15:30 -!- spidey [n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit ["Skrew the best,Salute the rest"]
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> so what's wrong, exactly, with including resources with the game?
15:30 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5517 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/fetch.php: prepare for new mirror scheme
15:31 * Vanhayes talks in the third person just to hear his own voice
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> aww, I just closed the leet translator
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> should have kept it open so I could continue to be really freaking annoying
15:33 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: nvm, irssi doesn't seem to work on windows
15:33 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: it needs a cmd-on to handle ssh =p
15:33 <Vanhayes> ya I didnt think it did
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> what, huh? that didn't make sense, luke-jr__
15:33 <Vanhayes> gotta go eat
15:33 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: and do perms check by 'ssh <serverspec> cat authorized-irc-users' =p
15:33 <wrtlprnft> then get some linux distribution :P
15:34 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: for CIA updates
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> what perms checks are you talking about?
15:34 <luke-jr__> so I can add actions for exec-on armagetronad@hachi.dashjr.org ...
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be Owner to create a cmd
15:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: any reason my ssh account on beta.armagetronad.net refuses to accept my key?
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that presumes I'm going to give you that kind of access to my server, which I'm not. :P
15:34 <luke-jr__> and as long as my nick is listed in that user's homedir, it allows it
15:35 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: no, I'm suggesting you abstract ssh =p
15:35 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: because you don't have an account there yet
15:35 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:35 <wrtlprnft> oh, right, it moved
15:36 <luke-jr__> lol
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> these tamales aren't as good as I remember them being, I think I'm just disappointed I couldn't raid my wontons
15:36 <wrtlprnft> #later tell spidey* http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=402&max=402 <-- that's how your cockpit file looks for me...
15:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> my wontons > these tamales
15:37 <luke-jr__> try now :)
15:38 <luke-jr__> who else wants an account? =p
15:38 <luke-jr__> and what's the preferred username?
15:40 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: did you use your account?
15:40 <Joni> wrtlprnft: there is no line 144
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: no, I didn't use my account
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15:42 <Joni> wrtlprnft are you there?
15:45 <Joni> hello?
15:45 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5518 /www/beta/trunk/maint-info/README: update with new paths
15:46 <luke-jr__> Joni: usually if someone doesn't answer "are you there?", it means they're not
15:47 <Joni> ok lol
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 143 $modes = array(
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 144 1 => 'http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/highscores.txt',
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 145 2 => 'http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/won_rounds.txt',
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 146 3 => 'http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/won_matches.txt',
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 147 4 => 'http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/ladder.txt',
15:55 <wrtlprnft> 148 );
15:55 <wrtlprnft> there are lines 144,145,146 and 147
15:55 <Joni> erm
15:55 <Joni> u know tht file u sent me
15:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php.txt
15:55 <wrtlprnft> this one, right?
15:56 <Joni> yea
15:56 <Joni> The XML page cannot be displayed
15:56 <Joni> Cannot view XML input using XSL style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.
15:56 <Joni> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:56 <Joni> A name was started with an invalid character. Error processing resource 'http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php.txt'. Line 44, Pos...
15:56 <Joni> $str = str_replace('<', '', $str);
15:56 <Joni> -------------------------^
15:56 <Joni>
15:56 <wrtlprnft> 170 lines, 5519 Characters, 599 words
15:56 <Joni> thats what it says
15:57 <wrtlprnft> errrr
15:57 <wrtlprnft> that's a text file...
15:57 <Joni> how i open it then?
15:57 <wrtlprnft> using a text editor?
15:58 <wrtlprnft> then you need to save it as .php and put it on some webspace capable of PHP
15:58 <Joni> ignore me
15:58 <Joni> ive done it
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore Joni
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
15:58 <wrtlprnft> /ignore Joni
15:58 <wrtlprnft> can do that without the space
15:58 <wrtlprnft> / /ignore Joni ;)
15:58 <Joni> what do i do with 144 - 147?
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> I imagine you change them to point at the files you want to read
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I'd do :)
15:59 <wrtlprnft> those are in the var dir of your server
15:59 <Joni> but mine are in my docs
15:59 <Joni> on windows
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16:00 <wrtlprnft> are your web server and your arma server on the same machine?
16:00 <Joni> erm
16:00 <Joni> no
16:00 <Joni> free hosting
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> so, let's say I want to write a budget program. Is there something wrong with making my database a bunch of files?
16:00 <wrtlprnft> then you need a way to move your stat files to your webspace
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> like, have data/generalledger/ and making each transaction a separate file in that directory?
16:01 <Joni> but how does the server update them files on the free hosting?
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> then you need a way to move your stat files to your webspace at regular intervals so they get the server's updates
16:01 <wrtlprnft> copy them over in regular intervals?
16:02 <Joni> oh
16:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what i do with http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalog.txt
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> wow, did I run spidey off? heh
16:02 <Joni> how do i make my comp a web server?
16:02 <wrtlprnft> err
16:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what i do with http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> install apache :)
16:02 <Joni> lol
16:02 <Joni> IIS?????
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's if you want to make your computer a webserver and allow every script kiddie access to it
16:02 <wrtlprnft> if you wanna pay for that piece of sh***...
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> apache's available for windows
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> however
16:03 <Joni> go on....
16:03 <wrtlprnft> http://apachefriends.org
16:03 <wrtlprnft> that's a distribution of apache, should be easy to install
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/sswww.htm <--- here is a very simple webserver
16:04 <Joni> right
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> also, xampp is good, but it's for developers. You have to run a certain batch file to tighten up the settings. I'd recommend the analogx webserver over that, to be honest.
16:04 <Joni> so i install that
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> unless you already know apache pretty well, in which case xampp is Wonderful :)
16:04 <Joni> then what?
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> set the web root to be the var dir of your server, open port 80 on your router
16:05 <Joni> i dont know apache
16:05 <Joni> ok
16:05 <Joni> is that it?
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> then get an account with no-ip.com so you can have a dns name for you computer
16:05 <wrtlprnft> or dyndns.org :P
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> install their client so it'll always be updated with the right IP ddress
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> finally, when you've finished all that, change wrtlprnft's script to point at your webserver for the files :)
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> ~20 minutes
16:06 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you know those stat files get big over time, right?
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: heh. Ummm, teach your grandma to suck eggs, eh?
16:06 <wrtlprnft> that's a certain way to make the arma server unusuable if people use the stat script on the other end
16:07 <wrtlprnft> so you'd need some caching :P
16:07 <luke-jr__> write a server-side script that uses tail -f to keep up to date stats =p
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> the files are sorted
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd only get the bottom of the ladder :)
16:08 <luke-jr__> oh, I don't know what the files are
16:08 <luke-jr__> I just presumed they were some kind of continuous log
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> ladder, won rounds, won matches, etc.
16:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: uh, err, the point of my script is that it adds together similar names
16:08 <luke-jr__> o
16:08 <wrtlprnft> so if you only head the top 50 or whatever you'd lose that
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> mine's got a built-in caching mechanism, but you're on your own for installing it :)
16:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually the fact that i put my cockpit file into svn is that I'm to lazy to increase the version number all the time :P
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh. don't tell luke that!
16:10 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: you still need to, at least once per release
16:10 <luke-jr__> presuming it changes
16:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: as long as it is not on the repository i don't need to
16:10 <luke-jr__> yes you do
16:10 <wrtlprnft> well, i didn't increase it yet :P
16:10 <luke-jr__> or else the game will think it has a matching version, and it won't
16:10 <luke-jr__> use $Revision$ =p
16:11 <luke-jr__> hrm, that might not work
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> does it work in svn? heh
16:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: as long as it's not on the repository it's a Bad Thing to change the version
16:11 <luke-jr__> get the sorting script to s,\$Revision: ([0-9]+)\$,\1,
16:12 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: if it's anywhere outside an isolated testing environment, it should have a unique version
16:12 <wrtlprnft> because, imagine someone changed his cockpit file to wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aaockpit.xml
16:12 <luke-jr__> if it's in a release, it needs to be in the repository anyway
16:12 <wrtlprnft> then i change my cockpit file to version 0.0.2
16:12 <Joni> no-ip.com or dyndns.org???
16:12 <luke-jr__> Joni: they both suck, but those are your options =p
16:12 <luke-jr__> no-ip is the lesser of the suckiness
16:13 <Joni> ok
16:13 <luke-jr__> assuming you give them money
16:13 <wrtlprnft> so, the next time the user upgrades arma version 0.0.1 won't be on the repository, in fact it won't exist anymore
16:13 <luke-jr__> I don't know if their gratis service sucks less
16:13 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: that's why all included resources are required to be in the repository
16:13 * wrtlprnft is happy with his wrtlprnft.ath.cx domain
16:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: but they aren't yet
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.advanced.props.html#svn.advanced.props.special.keywords
16:13 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: should be
16:14 <wrtlprnft> once i increase the version i'll put the old version on the repository
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__ probably just put the version that you have in the repository
16:14 <luke-jr__> since it's included in a release, that release's content must be the only content for that version
16:16 <wrtlprnft> it's inconvienient for the user to change the version in his config to take advantage of new features
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> which version in what config?
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
16:16 <Lucifer_arma> it is inconvenient, but our resource system is incomplete. That's a problem that can be solved.
16:17 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: then redo the cockpit config to allow omission of a version
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> and build into the resource system the "use latest version available" feature :)
16:17 <luke-jr__> Why is Self_Destructo/test-0.0.2.aarotate.xml even included? It doesn't appear to be valid XML :/
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> because it's a *development* version
16:17 <Joni> now ive got the no ip program running what do i do?
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> #dict development
16:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: foldoc: development The process of analysis, design, coding and testing software; wn: development n 1: act of improving by expanding or enlarging or refining; "he congratulated them on their development of a plan to meet the emergency"; "they funded research and development" 2: a process in which something passes by degrees to a (17 more messages)
16:17 <wrtlprnft> http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/free_dynamic_dns.html <-- no-ip.com's free domains suck
16:18 <luke-jr__> well, I can't easily just put that in the repo...
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> then don't
16:18 <Joni> where can i get a domain then
16:18 <Joni> ?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: simple, it is work in progress
16:18 <Lucifer_arma> wait, you just singed up for no-ip's free server, Joni?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> no need to put it anywhere
16:19 <Joni> erm downloaded ther duc
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> Joni: did you just sign up for no-ip's free service? If you did that, then you should have a domain
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you have to sign up for their service too. :)
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> You use their domain (one of them), and then create a hostname for it, so you'll wind up with something like:
16:19 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: FWIW, the reason I say dyndns sucks is mostly based on their insane lack of MX support =p
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> swampy.sytes.net
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> or
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3.sytes.net
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have benedict.servebeer.com :)
16:19 <wrtlprnft> https://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/domains.html <-- those are better :P
16:20 <Vanhayes> #wtf is FWIW
16:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: FWIW: for what it's worth
16:20 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is MX
16:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: MX: nothing appropriate
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> you need it to run a mail server
16:20 <luke-jr__> dyndns allows a single MX record
16:20 <luke-jr__> so if your mail server goes down, you lose mail
16:20 <luke-jr__> in theory
16:20 * wrtlprnft doesn't have a mail server
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> but realistically, with so many ISP's filtering out email from dynamic IP addresses, you can't really run your own mail server without assistance anyway
16:21 <luke-jr__> with exception of mailing lists, most servers will retry
16:21 * wrtlprnft has a dynamic IP and some smtp servers don't even accept mail from dynamix ips
16:21 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: I do
16:21 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: And I complain to buggy mail hosts that false-positive spam from me
16:21 * Lucifer_arma has had people not receive mail sent from my dynamic IP address
16:21 <wrtlprnft> me too
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> and they probably just blow you off, like you deserve :)
16:22 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: I then tell their users about how their mail provider is rejecting legit mail
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course you present a completely unbiased account and tell them how by doing this, their mail provider is rejecting millions of spam message?
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> are you even capable of giving unbiased information in the first place?
16:23 <luke-jr__> I can understand dynamic IPs getting a lower trust level and more points on a spam check, but to simply discard them isn't acceptable
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> sure it is
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> if I know that a pile of shit in my yard is 99.9% shit, I throw the whole pile away
16:23 <luke-jr__> and to discard without an error is violation of RFCs, I'm sure
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's reasonable behavior
16:24 <Joni> I cant keep up lol
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> call the FBI then. "They're violating RFCs!"
16:24 <Joni> lol
16:24 <Joni> im english
16:24 <wrtlprnft> Joni: this is just a useless discussion between luke-jr__ and Lucifer_arma
16:24 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: spam filtering isn't that hard to do without false positives
16:24 <Joni> its MI5 here
16:24 <wrtlprnft> Joni: no need to keep up
16:24 <Joni> lol
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> if it were that easy, don't you think it would be done already?
16:24 <luke-jr__> obviously not
16:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: yeah, don't filter anything at all
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> then do it
16:24 <luke-jr__> I do
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> PUT UP OR SHUT UP :)
16:25 <luke-jr__> my filter gets most spam, and never discards legit mail
16:25 <wrtlprnft> ah, so SL stands for shadow league
16:25 <wrtlprnft> i thought it was sumo losers
16:25 <Vanhayes> yes
16:25 <Vanhayes> same thing I thought
16:25 <luke-jr__> the only way to get all spam is to discard all mail =p
16:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: that's your personal trained filter
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is that if you take the IQs of all the people who have tried to solve the spam problem and put them together, you end up with a number that's much higher than the population of the whole planet
16:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, err
16:26 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: so?
16:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: so it might work fine for you, but not for everyone else
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> my filter only gets some spam, about half. It's spamassassin, too.
16:26 <Joni> i cant find my domain
16:26 <wrtlprnft> there's mail i regard as spam that others would want
16:26 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: spam isn't personal
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> luckily it doesn't get the really entertaining spam, so I can share it :)
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> Joni: it takes a little bit, what's your domain?
16:27 <Joni> dome it
16:27 <Joni> done*
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> right, what is it?
16:27 <Joni> joni.sytes.net
16:27 <Joni> should be anyway
16:28 * luke-jr__ h4x0rs
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's updated, now you need to open port 80 on your router and point it at your computer.
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> I assume you're hooked up with a router, most of us are...
16:28 <luke-jr__> =p
16:28 <Joni> yes
16:28 <luke-jr__> my router runs OpenWrt
16:28 <wrtlprnft> Joni: so your IP is 204.16.252.98?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: stop using that, my client hilights wrt
16:29 <luke-jr__> cuz the latest DD-Wrt crashes once a day
16:29 <Joni> no
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> my router runs FLawlessly
16:29 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: your problem =p
16:29 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: it runs fine w/ OpenWrt
16:29 <luke-jr__> now my problem is the computers connected to it =p
16:29 <Joni> OMG
16:29 <Joni> I cant login
16:29 <luke-jr__> they like to break when renewing their IPs
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf OMG
16:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: OMG: oh, my god
16:29 <wrtlprnft> nothing about gosh?
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> can't login to what?
16:30 <Joni> done it
16:30 <Joni> phew
16:30 <Joni> lol
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> router?
16:30 <luke-jr__> ...
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> now, do you have a webserver running yet?
16:30 <luke-jr__> Joni: why do you have so many names?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> forward port 80, TCP, the same way you forwarded for arma
16:30 <luke-jr__> can't you stick with maybe 1 name?
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> who is Joni, anyway?
16:30 <Joni> me
16:30 -!- You're now known as zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
16:31 <Joni> my name is jonathan
16:31 -!- You're now known as zZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ
16:31 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: Blind
16:31 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
16:31 <luke-jr__> used to be DarkWing
16:32 <Joni> lol
16:32 <luke-jr__> Brooky too
16:32 <luke-jr__> Joni=Brooky=WingDark=Blind
16:32 <Joni> yes
16:33 <Joni> http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/650/wer1vy.jpg
16:33 <Joni> look
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> DarkWing Duck?
16:33 <Joni> i made 80 accessable
16:33 <luke-jr__> wtf?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so you have port 80 forwarded now, right?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> do you have a webserver running yet?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> don't use IE on a mac...
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, are you using winxp? You might need to deal with the port on a firewall, too.
16:34 <wrtlprnft> nvm it isn't a mac
16:34 <Joni> winxp yes
16:34 <luke-jr__> um
16:34 <Joni> im using standard firewall
16:34 -!- Brooky [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so start a webserver. Don't worry so much about setting the document directory yet, just get one and run it so we can see that it works.
16:35 <Joni> whos brooky?
16:35 <luke-jr__> you?
16:35 <Joni> wtf??
16:35 <luke-jr__> Jun 27 18:09:54 <Brooky> im joni btw
16:35 -!- Brooky [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
16:35 <Joni> ok lol
16:35 <luke-jr__> Joni: BTW, you won't be able to go to your own webserver
16:36 <wrtlprnft> err
16:36 <wrtlprnft> http://localhost/?
16:36 <Joni> ok ive done firewall on comp
16:36 <luke-jr__> either that, or you'll need to access your router via its LAN IP
16:36 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: lol, forgot about that
16:36 <wrtlprnft> Joni: try http://localhost/
16:36 <wrtlprnft> does that give you anything?
16:37 <luke-jr__> he doesn't have a server running yet...
16:37 <wrtlprnft> aah ok
16:37 <wrtlprnft> i thought he already did that
16:37 <Joni> erm
16:39 <luke-jr__> isn't it annoying when people ask you to leave voicemail instead of repeatedly calling, yet never return calls when you do?
16:39 <Joni> lol
16:39 <luke-jr__> makes me want to setup my server to autodial them until they answer
16:40 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:40 <luke-jr__> last time I called 3+ times in a row, they got annoyed
16:40 <luke-jr__> and said they'd call me back after their meeting
16:40 <luke-jr__> never heard from em
16:40 <luke-jr__> >:O
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, take a step back :)
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> install xampp, and just run the stat script on your machine
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> forget about the free hosting service :)
16:42 <Joni> i have
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html <--- the longer version of the link wrtlprnft already gave you for xampp :)
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, start it so we can see if we can connect to it
16:42 <Joni> erm
16:42 <Joni> i downloaded something else
16:42 <luke-jr__> ...
16:42 <Joni> analogX
16:42 * luke-jr__ DDoS Joni =p
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> right, that was what I suggested, but I've changed my mind and think wrtlprnft was right in the first place to go with xampp :)
16:43 <Joni> oik
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> because then you just run the stat script on your machine and it simplifies a lot of other things
16:43 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-006-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
16:43 <luke-jr__> hi joda_bot \
16:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good night everyone
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm off
16:44 <luke-jr__> [Xpert]DarkStar: wtf? you just got here
16:44 <wrtlprnft> night
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm here all the time ;)
16:44 <luke-jr__> not talking
16:44 <wrtlprnft> and hi Joni \
16:44 <wrtlprnft> err
16:44 <Joni> hi
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> he's a lurker
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr__: true
16:44 <wrtlprnft> and hi joda_bot \
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try to talk more tomorrow
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> k?
16:44 * luke-jr__ watches nobody else talking here tomorrow
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so now
16:44 <joda_bot> hi
16:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cu all
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> give the glacier a kiss for me
16:45 <Vanhayes> cya
16:45 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: you missed the vote
16:45 <luke-jr__> we decided to drop Win32 support
16:45 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: oh ?
16:45 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:45 <joda_bot> sure ;)
16:45 <luke-jr__> and replace it with DOS support
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so you're either going to switch to linux or find something else to work on
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's called "downsizing"
16:45 <luke-jr__> lol
16:45 <wrtlprnft> linux, or mac os or bsd
16:46 <joda_bot> heh, no problem more time for my studies ;)
16:46 <luke-jr__> or BeOS
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> but we've decided to tighten up our Qnx support
16:46 <wrtlprnft> we support BeOS?
16:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: no, those OS are crap :-P
16:46 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: WIP?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> what about OS/2?
16:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: too much terminals ;)
16:46 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: OS/2 probably used to work
16:46 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: it has win32 compat
16:46 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: no such thing
16:46 <luke-jr__> I like having all 50+ terminals open
16:47 * wrtlprnft likes stuffing his 50 terminals into a screen session
16:47 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: I prefer to have one gui that does the same :-P
16:47 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: GUI are inferior!
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to have a GUI that works
16:47 * luke-jr__ stuffs his 50+ terminals in Konsole tabs across 15 virtual desktops
16:48 * Lucifer_arma measures his cock size by how many wontons are in the freezer
16:48 <Joni> lol
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> os arguments are worthless, wontons rule!
16:48 <wrtlprnft> could Lucifer_arma shut up about his cock size for a change?
16:48 <luke-jr__> screw OS, let's just fight over kernels
16:49 <luke-jr__> Linux is better than NTKRNL
16:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe he just did a cosmetic surgery to stretch it
16:49 <luke-jr__> but HURD is the best
16:49 <Joni> You guys are computer kings
16:49 * Lucifer_arma notes that all of luke-jr__'s "my operating system is better than yours" are just cock size contests
16:49 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is NTKRNL
16:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: NTKRNL: nothing appropriate
16:49 <Joni> i dont understand one thing your on about
16:49 <wrtlprnft> Joni: not important, it's about the intellectual level of ape talk
16:49 <Joni> Ok
16:49 <luke-jr__> NTOSKRNL*
16:49 <Joni> how old are you guys?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is NTOSKRNL
16:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: NTOSKRNL: nothing appropriate
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> old enough to have seen Tron in the theaters
16:50 <wrtlprnft> #w NTOSKRNL
16:50 <wrtlprnft> not me
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> have you got xampp running yet?
16:50 <luke-jr__> 21
16:50 <Joni> owtch
16:50 <Joni> lol
16:50 <Joni> im 16
16:50 <Joni> 77% downloaded
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> kid, have you got xampp running yet?
16:50 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: he bought some spam offer ;-)
16:51 <Joni> are you lot the creaters of the game
16:51 <Joni> apart form zman
16:51 <joda_bot> Joni: yes ;)
16:52 <wrtlprnft> Joni: my age = log(1,417,512.46)^2 years
16:52 <Joni> i dont do logs
16:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i didn't create much of 0.2.8.2
16:52 <Joni> i dont undestand them
16:52 <luke-jr__> guru3, joda_bot, Lucifer_arma, luke-jr__, and wrtlprnft are
16:52 <Joni> ok
16:52 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: define log please ;)
16:52 <Joni> maths
16:52 <Joni> <wrtlprnft> Joni: my age = log(1,417,512.46)^2 years
16:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: lg() in european notation then ;)
16:53 <joda_bot> Joni: log can be ln(n)/ln(2) or ln(n)/ln(10)
16:53 <joda_bot> or even ln sometimes :-)
16:53 <Joni> its hurting my head lol
16:54 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: then take ln(13,256.36)/ln(10)
16:54 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
16:54 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: then take (ln(13,256.36)/ln(10))^2
16:54 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
16:55 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #g (ln(13,256.36)/ln(10))^2
16:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (ln(13,256.36) / ln(10))^2 = 16.994382
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> kid, have you got xampp running yet?
16:56 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
16:56 <luke-jr__> no
16:56 <luke-jr__> he doesn't
16:56 <Joni> nope,not yet
16:57 <wrtlprnft> he should run that security script thingy first anyways
16:57 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> yes, he should run it. I'd like to see that we can connect to it though and make sure he did all the other stuff right first
16:58 <Joni> so what folder should be the root folder then?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> any place will do
16:58 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't be c:/, though
16:58 <Joni> wont that give access to my computer?
16:59 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
16:59 <Joni> C:\Documents and Settings\Joni\Application Data\Armagetron\var???
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, but isn't there a default?
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, just install it and run it first so we can see if it works
17:00 <Joni> Ok 2 secs
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> what you're going to do eventually is put wrtlprnft's script in the htdoc folder of the xampp installation and configure it to use the stat files from your armagetron var dir
17:00 <Joni> O...K...
17:00 <Joni> kind of lol
17:00 <Joni> #wtf is htdoc
17:00 <armabot> Joni: htdoc: nothing appropriate
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> when you go to http://localhost do you get a web page?
17:01 <Joni> i havent installed it yet
17:01 <Joni> 97%
17:01 <Joni> lol
17:01 <wrtlprnft> you're hosting a server with that lame connection? :P
17:01 <Joni> do i need to have a index.htm?
17:01 <Joni> 1mb
17:02 * Lucifer_arma notes that the xampp download isn't small
17:03 <Joni> lol
17:03 <Joni> it is extracting now
17:05 <Joni> it takes a long time to extract all files
17:05 <wrtlprnft> that's because it's many small files
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and windows is ridiculously inefficient with tme
17:05 <wrtlprnft> *them
17:05 <Joni> ok
17:06 <Joni> i might change OS
17:06 <Joni> what is the correct move?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> first try something like knoppix for testing :)
17:06 <Joni> what is that?
17:07 <wrtlprnft> and generally look what windows apps you're using and what alternatives there are that run on linux
17:07 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia knoppix
17:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.29 seconds: Knoppix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix>; Knoppix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHoppiX>; Knoppix STD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix_STD>; Category: Knoppix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
17:07 <Joni> Ok
17:08 <Joni> so i can just put that cd in and run linux
17:08 <Joni> and take it out and use windows again?
17:09 <wrtlprnft> yep
17:09 <Joni> cool
17:09 <joda_bot> Joni: what do you really want to do ?
17:09 <wrtlprnft> though it's not a permanent thingy, if you like it you're better of with a real installation
17:10 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
17:10 <Joni> so i could try out linux like that?
17:10 <Joni> then if i like do a proper install
17:10 <Joni> if not throw away the cd
17:10 <Joni> lol
17:11 <Joni> how do i private message like you guys do?
17:12 <joda_bot> Joni: Which private messages ?
17:12 <Joni> like that!
17:13 <Joni> lol
17:13 * joda_bot goes back to work
17:13 <joda_bot> ah if you're using the nixda interface that does not work
17:13 <Joni> Ok
17:13 <joda_bot> you need a real IRC client like mIRC or another one for Windows ... xchat for linux ? bitchX ?
17:13 <joda_bot> whatever
17:14 <Vanhayes> x chat turns out not to be free...
17:14 <Joni> right xampp
17:14 <Joni> has finished extracting
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I"m off to make dinner
17:15 <Joni> what do i do?
17:15 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: the windows version of it ?
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> joni: what's left for you to do is make sure the webserver works, then install wrtlprnft's script in xampp/htdocs
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully wrtlprnft is still kicking around to help
17:15 <Joni> ok
17:15 <joda_bot> install = copy to ;)
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'll check back now and then while cooking, I always do, but expect some latency :)
17:16 <Joni> ok
17:17 <Vanhayes> joda_bot, ya the windows
17:17 <Vanhayes> it is a 30 day trial
17:18 <Joni> YES
17:18 <Joni> http://localhost worked!
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17:22 <Joni> right
17:23 -!- occulter [n=tripodal@tor/session/external/x-aa2b620a67284b81] has joined #armagetron
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17:23 <Joni> wrtlprnft are you present?
17:24 <Joni> Is anyone active?
17:25 <Vanhayes> I am but I probly cant help you
17:25 <Joni> ok lol
17:27 <Joni> brb
17:27 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@wxpp-p-144-138-186-127.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #armagetron
17:28 <Lizz> hi ev1
17:28 <Vanhayes> hello Lizz
17:28 <Lizz> hiya van .. how is ya?
17:29 <Vanhayes> not bad, a little hung over but better now
17:29 <Lizz> meh
17:29 <Lizz> hair of the dog van.. always works ;)
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I got a web page
17:30 <Vanhayes> what is hair of the dog?
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> Joni: now find the xampp/htdocs directory and put wrtlprnft's script in there, with a .php extension instead of the .txt he gave it to you with
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> and go back to those lines he told you to edit and change them to the path to those files on your system, c:\something or other
17:30 <Lizz> erm.. hair of the dog means.. start again van ;)
17:30 <Joni> right im back
17:31 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
17:31 <Joni> what shall i call it?
17:31 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
17:31 <Joni> test.php?
17:31 <Lizz> wb van
17:31 * Vanhayes hates his connection
17:32 <Joni> it is test.php
17:32 <Joni> xampp/htdocs/test.php
17:33 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
17:33 <Lizz> hiya ghaaaaaaaaab :)
17:33 <ghableska> :)
17:33 <ghableska> hi Lizz
17:34 <Lizz> fancy meeting u here :P
17:35 <ghableska> :P
17:35 * Lizz wonders where the bar is :/
17:35 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
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17:35 * Vanhayes really hates his connection
17:36 <Joni> Right i changed the lines of 144 - 147
17:36 <Lizz> wb again vanlosinghis connection
17:36 <ghableska> lol
17:36 <Joni> C:\Documents and Settings\Joni\Application Data\Armagetron\var\ladder.txt etc
17:36 <ghableska> wb Vanhayes
17:36 <Vanhayes> ty lizzstating thehard cold truth
17:36 <Lizz> LOL
17:36 <ghableska> Vanhayes, your ping is better than mine on bf :(
17:36 <Lizz> yup thats me alright lmao
17:36 <ghableska> the realist :P
17:37 <Vanhayes> ghableska, what is your ping?
17:37 <Lizz> more like bluntobjectionalist
17:37 <ghableska> usually 140-170
17:37 <ghableska> depends
17:37 <ghableska> heh
17:37 <Vanhayes> sounds like mine :)
17:37 <ghableska> usually yours was in the 250+
17:38 <Vanhayes> ya that was when my ISP really hated me, now he just really dislikes me
17:38 <Lizz> all pings should be lined up and shot! >.<
17:38 <ghableska> hehe
17:38 <ghableska> holes should be abolished
17:38 <ghableska> I always miss them
17:38 <Vanhayes> heh good reason
17:38 <Lizz> u need radar ghab :P
17:38 <ghableska> not even ones in the other zone
17:38 <ghableska> just holes anywhere :(
17:39 * ghableska fancies having a radar dish his head :P
17:39 <Lizz> LOL cute o.O
17:40 <Joni> It works
17:40 <Joni> http://joni.sytes.net/test.php
17:40 <ghableska> oops, forgot an "on"
17:40 <ghableska> :P
17:40 <Joni> try that out people
17:40 <Joni> tell me what you see
17:40 <ghableska> looks nice
17:41 <Joni> what is it?
17:41 <ghableska> element clan stats...
17:41 <Joni> Mint
17:41 <Joni> thanks guys
17:41 <Joni> its working
17:42 <Vanhayes> sweey I am on there
17:42 <Vanhayes> sweet*
17:42 <wrtlprnft> Joni: :)
17:42 <Vanhayes> twice
17:43 <Joni> thanks guys
17:43 <Joni> well
17:43 <Joni> all them scores are going to be reset
17:43 <Joni> lol
17:43 <Joni> its an old server
17:44 <Joni> Sorry. lol
17:44 <Vanhayes> hmm I found out that if you switch tracks when sound is off it does the same crash as before
17:45 <ghableska> hmm
17:45 <ghableska> do you still see the team name/color bug?
17:45 <Vanhayes> ya
17:45 <ghableska> yeah, now I see it twice before the new round...
17:46 <Vanhayes> ya same here, right after old round ends and again before new one starts?
17:46 <ghableska> yup
17:49 <Joni> right got to go now guys thanks for all the help
17:49 <ghableska> cya
17:49 <Vanhayes> cya
17:49 <Joni> its 23:49 here and i have GCSE exam in the morning lol
17:49 <Joni> bye
17:49 <Joni> cya
17:50 -!- Joni [n=5440d8c4@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has left #armagetron []
17:50 <Vanhayes> #wtf GCSE
17:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: GCSE: nothing appropriate
17:50 <joda_bot> uhh
17:50 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSE
17:51 <Vanhayes> wow Im glad I live in north america
17:51 -!- spidey [n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
17:51 <ghableska> lol
17:52 * Lizz slaps spider
17:52 <ghableska> hi spidey
17:52 <Vanhayes> wb spidey in a better mode?
17:52 * ghableska is the one that normally gets slapped
17:52 <spidey> not really
17:52 <spidey> eating then sleep
17:52 * Lizz slaps ghab to just coz she can
17:52 <ghableska> :P
17:52 <Lizz> :D
17:52 <Vanhayes> isnt it like 7 pm there?
17:52 <spidey> no
17:52 <ghableska> 6
17:53 <spidey> 6pm
17:53 <Lizz> lmao
17:53 <ghableska> just an hour off :P
17:53 * Lizz tucks spider into his warm lil web
17:53 <spidey> had a bad day...now i have to change my phone number :|
17:53 <ghableska> -_-
17:53 <Lizz> ok ok ill stop calling :P
17:53 <Vanhayes> o ya
17:53 <spidey> heh
17:53 <Vanhayes> it is on yahoo right?>
17:53 <spidey> you're gonna have a huge phone bill
17:53 <spidey> yea
17:53 <Vanhayes> or something
17:53 <Vanhayes> that sucks
17:53 <Lizz> heh
17:54 <ghableska> lol
17:54 * Vanhayes searches for spidey's number
17:54 * Lizz gives it to van
17:54 <spidey> 642-9348
17:54 <ghableska> no area code :P
17:54 <spidey> ;)
17:55 * Lizz knows where he lives
17:55 * ghableska knows too
17:55 <ghableska> kinda
17:55 * spidey knows too
17:55 <ghableska> lol
17:55 <Lizz> lol
17:55 <ghableska> good for you :
17:55 <ghableska> *:P
17:55 <joda_bot> #night
17:55 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
17:55 <spidey> yea this shadey character told me
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17:55 <Lizz> so telling spider to "get lost" wont work then if he knows where he lives
17:55 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, wrtlprnft that crash that was happening to me, happens when you turn sound off and press next track too
17:56 <Vanhayes> no one knows where I live
17:56 <Lizz> i do
17:56 <Vanhayes> creepy
17:56 <ghableska> heh
17:56 <Lizz> lol
17:56 * ghableska knows Vanhayes is somewhere above
17:56 <Vanhayes> I mean its not Like I tell everyone that im from canada
17:56 <Vanhayes> #canada
17:56 <armabot> 4
17:57 <ghableska> with your instant chat :P
17:57 <Lizz> heh well if ur standing at my door.. u head north :D
17:57 <Vanhayes> lol
17:57 <Lizz> for a long bloody way
17:57 <ghableska> brb
17:57 <Lizz> hb
17:59 <Vanhayes> #whois spidey
17:59 <Vanhayes> ...
17:59 <spidey> it doesn't like you
17:59 <spidey> #help whois
17:59 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no command "whois".
17:59 <Vanhayes> #whoisshe spidey
17:59 <armabot> spidey: armabot is the girl for you!
18:00 <Lizz> Spidey is an mRNA-to-genomic alignment program; it can handle finished sequence, draft sequence, and interspecies comparisons.
18:00 <spidey> ???
18:00 <Lizz> :D
18:00 <spidey> #google spidey
18:00 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.56 seconds: Spidey -- mRNA to genomic alignment: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/spidey/>; Spider-Man in Amazing Adventures: <http://www.ed.gov/inits/americareads/spidey/>; Spidey Kicks Butt - the No. 1 source for Spider-Man commentary!: <http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/>; Spider-Man Crawl Space--All Spidey , All The Time: <http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/>; Spidey (2 more messages)
18:00 <Lizz> told ya LOL
18:00 <Vanhayes> #google fight spidey Lizz
18:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey: 4430000, Lizz: 2000000
18:01 <Lizz> Greetings Spidey Fans ! I'd like to welcome you to the largest repository of ... 20 brand new spidey animated budy icons. and a few more surprises ! ...
18:01 <Vanhayes> #google lucky spidey
18:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/spidey/
18:01 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Lizz
18:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.lizzwright.net/
18:02 <Lizz> meh
18:02 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Vanhayes
18:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes
18:02 <Lizz> lol
18:02 <Vanhayes> heh
18:02 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddles
18:03 <Lizz> glad it didnt find my porn site lmao
18:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.20 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://tigersnetwork.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
18:04 <Vanhayes> Ha spidey you got kicked twice?
18:04 <spidey> i made guru mad cause i said norton sucks
18:04 <Lizz> whats phising?
18:05 <Vanhayes> I remember that but I thought you only got kicked once
18:05 <wrtlprnft> Lizz: pishing = password fishing
18:05 <spidey> the other time was about
18:05 <spidey> ummm
18:05 <Lizz> ok ty wrt
18:05 <Lizz> heh
18:05 <wrtlprnft> getting people to enter their password somewhere
18:05 <wrtlprnft> like faking a bank site
18:06 <Lizz> heh
18:06 * Lizz shutsup and dosent ask anymore questions
18:06 <Lizz> :D
18:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> nothing wrong with asking quesions :D
18:07 <spidey> wrtlprnft talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 333 times!
18:07 <spidey> Another lonely one was Lucifer_arma, who managed to hit 327 times.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gah, gotta take care that Lucifer_arma doesn't take me over again
18:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wanna smack me please?
18:08 <Lizz> ya wrt but asking too many questions gives an intent away :D
18:08 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 30 times.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> For example, like this: * wrtlprnft smacks his head
18:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 30 times.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> i obviously didn't attack a person
18:08 <wrtlprnft> my head is not a person
18:08 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
18:09 <Vanhayes_> Stupid ISP
18:09 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:09 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
18:09 <Vanhayes> anyone using windows here?
18:10 <ghableska> back
18:10 <ghableska> yes
18:10 <spidey> <<
18:10 <Lizz> yup
18:10 <Vanhayes> ghableska, try turning off the sound in armagetron and changing tracks
18:10 <Vanhayes> er are u using .3?
18:11 <ghableska> yes, but I already deleted the folders for music and sound :P
18:11 <Vanhayes> try switching tracks anyway then
18:11 <Lizz> LOL
18:11 <Vanhayes> it should do the same thing
18:11 <ghableska> ok, what buttons?
18:11 <Vanhayes> you have to set them
18:12 <Vanhayes> in global keyboard config
18:12 <ghableska> aww, ok brb
18:12 <Vanhayes> once u do that just go into any game local or internet and press next or previous track
18:13 <ghableska> Vanhayes, nothing happens....
18:13 <Vanhayes> wow it must just be my computer
18:13 <ghableska> lol :P
18:13 <ghableska> or maybe because I deleted the music/sounds
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey came back?
18:14 <Vanhayes> no that was what I did at first and it crashed for me
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> aww, I thought I ran him off
18:14 <ghableska> oh...
18:14 <ghableska> hmm
18:14 <spidey> psh
18:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: he's sitting on your shoulder right now, with four legs and ready to bite
18:15 <wrtlprnft> s/four/eight
18:15 <Lizz> lolol
18:15 <ghableska> :P
18:15 * wrtlprnft can't count
18:15 <Vanhayes> four legs?
18:15 <ghableska> 4 pairs of legs, right?
18:15 <Lizz> meh.. spiders bite when u least expect them
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, since I don't have a mac, I have nothing to fear, right?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> get an outdated version of sshd and you'll see
18:16 * spidey looks for ircs' ignore button
18:16 <wrtlprnft> #bigredbutton
18:16 <wrtlprnft> err
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore spidey
18:16 <ghableska> "That was easy"
18:16 <ghableska> :P
18:17 <Vanhayes> #list alias
18:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, (1 more message)
18:17 <wrtlprnft> #pushredbutton
18:17 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
18:17 <Vanhayes> #more
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> but since I can do:
18:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, s, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> #echo as long as I don't have a mac, I have nothing to fear
18:17 <armabot> as long as I don't have a mac, I have nothing to fear
18:17 <wrtlprnft> then he'll silence armabot too
18:17 <spidey> armabot!*@* added to ignore list.\
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> this would be a bad thing?
18:17 <Vanhayes> ahahaa
18:17 <spidey> #lucifer
18:17 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!!!
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore spidey
18:17 <spidey> but i can still use it
18:18 <Vanhayes> hmmm
18:18 -!- wrtlbot [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ,echo hi there
18:18 <wrtlbot> hi there
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list admin
18:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ,q
18:18 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: "q" is not a valid command.
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ,quit
18:18 <Vanhayes> #echo ignore spidey
18:18 <wrtlbot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add spidey
18:18 <armabot> ignore spidey
18:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add spidey
18:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:18 <ghableska> lol...
18:18 -!- spidey is now known as spider
18:18 <spider> #echo heh
18:18 <armabot> heh
18:18 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore list
18:18 <Vanhayes> lol
18:18 * Lucifer_arma never remembers that command, even though he's ignore luke enough
18:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add spider
18:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:18 <Lizz> so is this "pick on spidey" day?? lol
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
18:19 <Lizz> O.o
18:19 * ghableska pokes spidey
18:19 -!- spider is now known as McSpiddles
18:19 <McSpiddles> #echo heh
18:19 <armabot> heh
18:19 <Lizz> whens it ur turn luci?
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add McSpiddles
18:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:19 <Vanhayes> #help fluffy
18:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (fluffy <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball".
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> every day is pick on Luci day, haven't you noticed?
18:19 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
18:19 <wrtlprnft> ...
18:19 <armabot> Unusual being often referred to as Fluffball
18:19 <Lizz> umm nope
18:19 * wrtlprnft ignores everyone
18:19 <Vanhayes> #help s
18:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "insult spidey".
18:19 <McSpiddles> #echo heh
18:19 * ghableska gets ignored :(
18:19 * Lizz dosent care if she does
18:19 -!- McSpiddles is now known as ICanDoItAllDay
18:19 <ICanDoItAllDay> #echo heh
18:20 <armabot> heh
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add ICanDoItAllday
18:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add ICanDoItAllDay
18:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:20 -!- ICanDoItAllDay is now known as woot
18:20 <woot> #echo heh
18:20 <armabot> heh
18:20 <Lizz> heh kids and their games
18:20 <ghableska> :P
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> #help Admin ignore
18:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "admin ignore".
18:20 <woot> to bad you don't know how to perm ignore me eh?
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> #help ignore
18:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
18:20 <woot> or maybe i'd come back on a proxy
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin help ignore
18:20 -!- You're now known as abcdefghijklmnop
18:21 <armabot> blah
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add
18:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (admin ignore add <hostmask|nick> [<expires>]) -- Ignores <hostmask> or, if a nick is given, ignores whatever hostmask that nick is currently using. <expires> is a "seconds from now" value that determines when the ignore will expire; if, for instance, you wish for the ignore to expire in an hour, you could give an <expires> of 3600. If no <expires> is given, the ignore will never (1 more message)
18:21 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add *@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
18:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: '*@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
18:21 <Lizz> so whats spidey done to annoy u all? lol i want the gossip!!
18:21 <ghableska> dunno
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
18:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'n=spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
18:21 <Lizz> aww bugga
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
18:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'spider@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
18:22 <wrtlprnft> /ignore Lucifer_arma
18:22 * Lucifer_arma wishes he knew wtf a hostmask was anyway
18:22 <woot> pwned by your own bot
18:22 <wrtlprnft> /ignore armabot
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add 68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
18:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: '68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
18:22 <wrtlprnft> that'll make the channel more quiet i hope
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add *!*@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com
18:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:22 <woot> so how many times will i have to mac clone now?
18:23 <woot> nah,not worth updating my dns
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add *!*@*!*.charter.com
18:23 <wrtlprnft> 18:22 <woot> so how many times will i have to mac clone now?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> 18:23 <woot> nah,not worth updating my dns
18:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:23 <Vanhayes> #scare
18:23 <woot> ok
18:23 <armabot> BOO!
18:23 <woot> so how many proxies will i need now?
18:23 <Vanhayes> use wrtlbot?
18:23 * ghableska jumps in fear
18:23 <Vanhayes> ,hello
18:24 -!- spidey [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> just use one of your rooted macs
18:24 <Vanhayes> hmm
18:24 <spidey> woot
18:24 <Vanhayes> ,echo sjd
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> #Admin ignore add *!*@*!*.kompetenz.net
18:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:24 <woot> joni
18:24 <Vanhayes> ?
18:24 <spidey> #echo hi
18:24 <armabot> hi
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> what about joni? That's joda's script
18:24 <woot> spidey is jnoni
18:24 <woot> same host mask
18:24 <woot> oh
18:25 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: That script is available to everyone
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is
18:25 <woot> that's wrtl
18:25 * Lucifer_arma is ruthless
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl is on shawcable right now
18:25 <Lizz> meh
18:25 <spidey> and i wouldn't ban it with armabot
18:25 <Vanhayes> Joni (n=5440d8c4@h10487.serverkompetenz.net) left () is joni's
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> does joni use armabot?
18:25 <Vanhayes> not that i know of
18:25 <spidey> #ignorem
18:25 <spidey> #ignoreme
18:25 <Vanhayes> why doesnt wrtlbot respond?
18:25 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
18:26 <Vanhayes> ,help
18:26 -!- spidey [n=184df2ab@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
18:26 <wrtlprnft> wrtlbot is dead right now
18:26 <Vanhayes> lol ok
18:26 -!- wrtlbot [n=supybot@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:26 <wrtlprnft> it just refused to die completely
18:27 <Vanhayes> Brass monkey
18:28 <Vanhayes> that funky monkey
18:28 <Lizz> cold balls?
18:28 <Vanhayes> lol
18:28 <Vanhayes> Brass monkey
18:28 <Vanhayes> [20:23] <Vanhayes> that funky monkey
18:28 <Lizz> sorry word association lol
18:28 <Vanhayes> er
18:28 <ghableska> o_O
18:28 <Vanhayes> why did that happen?
18:29 <Vanhayes> o ya
18:29 -!- spidey [n=spidey@tzbedsl.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #armagetron
18:29 <spidey> #ech pwn
18:29 <Vanhayes> #echo pwn
18:29 <armabot> pwn
18:29 -!- spidey is now known as asd
18:29 <asd> #echo pwn
18:29 <armabot> pwn
18:29 <Vanhayes> spell echo right
18:29 <woot> i did
18:29 <woot> or not
18:29 <wrtlprnft> 18:29 <spidey> #ech pwn
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18:30 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, wrtlprnft that crash that was happening to me, happens when you turn sound off and press next track too
18:31 <Vanhayes> did either of you see that?
18:31 * Lucifer_arma did
18:31 <ghableska> yes
18:31 <Vanhayes> ok
18:31 * wrtlprnft did too but doesn't get any crash
18:31 <Vanhayes> is it just my computer that this happens to?
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> woo, it's only got 7 packages to install firefox
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> are you sure the crash you're having is the same one Your_mom is having?
18:33 <Vanhayes> um no, it is the same as the one I was having before
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmm
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you reproduce that crash with your_mom's cockpit and give me a regording?
18:34 <wrtlprnft> *recording
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad --regord
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'll see if I can do it a little later tonight.
18:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:34 -!- woot is now known as spidey|sleep
18:38 <ghableska> :(
18:38 <ghableska> keyboard starting to freeze again
18:39 <Lizz> throw hot water on it
18:39 <ghableska> :P
18:39 <Lizz> :D
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18:40 * Vanhayes_ punches his ISP in the face
18:40 <ghableska> o_O
18:40 * Lizz prepares law suit
18:40 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179088.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:40 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
18:40 <Vanhayes> lol
18:43 <Lizz> van.. u eat poutine?
18:43 <Vanhayes> yes
18:43 <Lizz> :D
18:43 <Vanhayes> but not that often
18:43 <Vanhayes> i live in New Brunswick not Quebec
18:43 <ghableska> what are those?
18:43 <Lizz> ya wouldnt think it was too healthy lol
18:44 <Lizz> chips with curd cheese n gravy
18:44 <ghableska> hmm
18:44 <Vanhayes> well u should seechips= fries
18:44 <Vanhayes> er
18:44 <Lizz> lol
18:44 <ghableska> o_O
18:44 <Vanhayes> chips=fries
18:45 <Lizz> sorry.. aussie coming out in me lol
18:45 <Vanhayes> lol
18:45 <Lizz> even at maccas here.. we dont call them fries lol
18:45 <Lizz> erm
18:45 <Lizz> maccas = mc donalds
18:45 <Lizz> slang
18:45 <Vanhayes> puotine is one of the most unhealthy food I can think of
18:46 <Lizz> ya ya van
18:47 <Vanhayes> but soooooooooooo good
18:47 <Lizz> mmmm esp when its cold out
18:49 * ghableska feels hungry now :-/
18:49 <Vanhayes> hmmm me too
18:49 <Lizz> mmm hot chips n gravy.. yum!!!
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> mmm, kangaroos are food
18:50 <Lizz> yup..
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I saw a bumper sticker today that said "Save a cow, eat a vegetarian!"
18:51 <Lizz> and bloody pests
18:52 <ghableska> lol
18:52 <Lizz> only good roo is a dead roo :D
18:52 <Vanhayes> I'd like to try to box a kangaroo before I die
18:52 <Lizz> bloody things wreck my fences >.<
18:53 <Lizz> come here and box mine will ya??
18:53 <Vanhayes> are they hard to box?
18:53 <Lizz> every morning there is a mob of 20 in the top paddock >.<
18:54 <ghableska> o_O
18:54 <Lizz> umm the big red ones will rip ur innards out .. so yeah lol
18:54 <Vanhayes> hahahaha
18:54 <Lizz> every week they are shot and every week more come back >.<
18:55 <Vanhayes> maybe they multiply if u kill one?
18:55 <ghableska> lol
18:55 <Lizz> heh
18:56 <ghableska> they're the australian equivalent of deer....
18:56 <Lizz> prolly.. we have deer too
18:56 <Vanhayes> u can t box a deer
18:56 <Lizz> lol
18:56 <ghableska> you can hit them with cars
18:56 <Lizz> u can head butt one tho?
18:57 <Vanhayes> never tried to head butt one but ya cars work pretty good
18:57 <ghableska> lol
18:57 <Vanhayes> tho the car gets wrecked if u hit one
18:57 <Lizz> ya kno.. we are the only country in the world that eats the animals on its national emblem lmao
18:57 <Vanhayes> we eat beaver...
18:57 <Vanhayes> and moose
18:57 <ghableska> :P
18:57 <Lizz> well dont maost men?
18:58 <Lizz> most*
18:58 <Vanhayes> no ot must but some do
18:58 * Lizz slinks back to her gutter
18:58 <Vanhayes> lol
18:58 <Vanhayes> I'd rather hit a deer than a moose tho
18:58 <Lizz> i wanna eat bear
18:59 <Vanhayes> it is pretty good
18:59 <Lizz> mmm gamey
18:59 <Vanhayes> karibu is really good tho
18:59 <Vanhayes> hmm Caribou?
18:59 <Lizz> ya with a C
18:59 <ghableska> :P
18:59 <Vanhayes> #spell caribou
18:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
18:59 <Vanhayes> #google spell caribou
18:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
19:00 <ghableska> haha
19:00 <Vanhayes> #google spell caribo
19:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: cariboo
19:00 <Vanhayes> heh that cant be right
19:00 <Vanhayes> #google spell Karibou
19:00 <Lizz> caribou
19:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
19:00 <ghableska> isn't it caribou?
19:00 <Lizz> yes
19:00 <Vanhayes> ya
19:00 <Vanhayes> stupid google spell
19:01 <Vanhayes> wow cariboo is right too
19:01 <Vanhayes> #dict cariboo
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "cariboo" could be found.
19:01 <Vanhayes> #dict caribou
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gaz-place, gazetteer, gcide, and gaz-county responded: wn: caribou n : arctic deer with large antlers in both sexes; called reindeer in Eurasia and caribou in North America [syn: {reindeer}, {Greenland caribou}, {Rangifer tarandus}]; gazetteer: Caribou, ME (city, FIPS 10565) Location: 46.86679 N, 67.99056 W Population (1990): 9415 (4089 housing units) Area: 205.4 sq km (5 more messages)
19:01 <Lizz> lol
19:01 <Vanhayes> heh I eat reindeer
19:01 <Lizz> brb need to put wood in the furnace
19:02 <Vanhayes> um it is cold there?
19:02 <ghableska> winter
19:03 <Vanhayes> o ya
19:03 <ghableska> :P
19:03 <Vanhayes> #weather sydney
19:03 <ghableska> how cold are canadian winters?
19:03 <Vanhayes> usually really cold
19:03 <ghableska> lots of snow?
19:03 <Vanhayes> but this one was frightningly hot
19:03 <ghableska> lol
19:03 <Vanhayes> only snowed 5 times
19:04 <ghableska> only
19:04 <Vanhayes> most was 2 feet
19:04 <Vanhayes> usually like 30 times at least
19:04 <ghableska> only 2 feet, right? :P
19:04 <ghableska> wow
19:04 <Vanhayes> and usually more than 2 feet
19:04 <Vanhayes> it was + 15 in january one night
19:04 <Vanhayes> +15 C
19:05 <Lizz> yes its cold here.. was umm 21F last nite
19:05 <Vanhayes> #help g
19:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
19:05 <Vanhayes> #g 15 C > F
19:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:05 <Vanhayes> bah
19:05 <Lizz> what do u want to kno?
19:06 <Vanhayes> what 15 degrees celcius is in ferenheight
19:06 <Lizz> about 59F
19:06 <ghableska> pretty warm
19:07 <Vanhayes> for january ya lol
19:07 <Vanhayes> should be -15
19:07 <ghableska> heh
19:16 * Lizz slaps ghab
19:16 <ghableska> ouch
19:16 <ghableska> :P
19:16 <Lizz> :D
19:22 <ghableska>
19:24 <wrtlprnft>
19:24 <wrtlprnft>
19:25 <ghableska>
19:25 <Vanhayes> >
19:26 <ghableska> :P
19:26 <wrtlprnft>
19:27 <wrtlprnft> gah, it's ignoring spaces
19:29 <ghableska>
19:29 <ghableska> heh, done now XD
19:34 <luke-jr__> wtf...
19:34 * Lizz slaps luke
19:34 * Lucifer_arma whacks Lizz
19:34 * Lizz likes it
19:35 * Lucifer_arma sticks a chain with an anchor in LIzz's pouch, ties it to his bumper, and drives off through the tumbleweeds
19:35 * Lizz puts her finger up lucis exhaust and watches him inflate
19:39 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
19:40 <luke-jr__> Lizz: ...
19:40 * luke-jr__ cries
19:40 * Lizz hugs luke
19:40 <luke-jr__> ...
19:40 <Lizz> heh
19:41 <Lizz> could been worse luke.. i coulda gave u a wet willy instead :P
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> do kangaroos have fingers?
19:44 <Lizz> ya
19:44 <Lizz> well
19:44 <Lizz> they have paws
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> a better question:
19:45 <Lizz> with extremities
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> we have the wiki so people would quit asking the same questions over and over, why do people keep asking how to a) setup a server and b) install a moviepack?
19:45 <Lizz> coz they are 12yr olds
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, once it's documented and easy to find, asking how to do it becomes a *stupid* question
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, off to cook dinner for real. Last time I only washed dishes.
19:46 <Lizz> but.. if u remember what it was like to be a kid.. its "easier to ask and get the answer than to look for it urself"
19:47 <Lizz> ok have fun cooking
20:21 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
20:30 <Lizz> u had ppl for dinner??? hope u cooked em just right
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20:32 <ghableska> ello
20:33 <Lizz> wb
20:34 <ghableska> ty
20:37 <LuciEatsPeople> still cooking
20:37 <LuciEatsPeople> just cut up the vegetables, now I'm going to parboil the noodles
20:37 * LuciEatsPeople is making lo-mein
20:37 <ghableska> yum
20:38 * Lizz sets herself a place at lucis table
20:38 * ghableska doesn't bother and heads straight for the food :P
20:38 <Lizz> LOL
20:38 * Lizz slaps ghab
20:38 <ghableska> again
20:38 * ghableska should have a slap-counter
20:38 <Lizz> wheres ya manners.. at least wash ur hands first :P
20:38 <ghableska> :P
20:39 * ghableska goes off to wash hands
20:40 * wrtlprnft just ate :(
20:43 <Lizz> dunno what to cook for dinner
20:43 <ghableska> kangaroo?
20:43 <ghableska> :P
20:43 <Lizz> maybe lasagna again
20:43 <Lizz> no.. not roo.. sick of roo
20:56 <Lizz> bbl :)
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21:30 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
22:20 <ghableska> goodnight everyone
22:20 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
22:41 <Vanhayes> #wtf IRA
22:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: IRA: nothing appropriate
22:59 <luke-jr__> "God" is in Genesis 208 times
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> god damn
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's a god damn lot of times to say something like that
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> wow
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23:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi Your_mom_arma
23:54 <Your_mom_arma> hi
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> my ping on my server right now is 200+
23:56 <Your_mom_arma> odd
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's compiling firefox right now, and compiling is cpu-intensive stuff
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe this gives an idea of how much difference in lag random cpu spikes can actually cause
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> only in this case it's not a spike, the cpu will be pegged until the compile job is done
Log from 2006-06-28:
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01:06 <Vanhayes> #night
01:06 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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02:37 * joda_bot points to topic asking are there still problems with beta.armagetronad.net ?
02:58 * spidey|sleep yawns
02:58 * spidey|sleep pokes joda
02:58 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey
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03:14 * spidey pokes mom
03:29 * joda_bot pokes spidey
03:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5519 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Removed another case of clientside player name filtering.
03:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5520 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Fixed highscore/ladder loading.
03:42 * spidey pokes joda
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05:27 <joda_bot> #wtf test
05:27 <armabot> joda_bot: test: nothing appropriate
05:28 <joda_bot> #poke spidey
05:28 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
05:28 <joda_bot> ;)
05:28 <spidey> hehe
05:28 <joda_bot> #pickup pointy stick
05:28 <joda_bot> :-)
05:28 <spidey> lmao
05:32 <spidey> joda wanna play fortresS?
05:33 <joda_bot> spidey: I have to study sorry
05:33 <spidey> np,:p
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05:59 <Joni> Hi guys
05:59 <joda_bot> hi
06:04 <Joni> I got the script working in the end
06:04 <Joni> but....
06:04 <Joni> i need some help with the security side
06:05 <armabot> fNux: phh * r7124 /forts/games/armagetronad/ (3 files): Fix deps
06:09 <Joni> Huh
06:09 <Joni> what does that mean?
06:10 <spidey> it means joda's broke
06:10 <spidey> he needs to be fixed :p
06:10 <Joni> Your having a laugh right?
06:10 <Joni> lol
06:11 <spidey> yea
06:11 <Joni> Good. lol.
06:14 <armabot> fNux: phh * r7125 /forts/games/armagetronad/ (armagetronad-0.2.8.2-r1.xml armagetronad.xml): Update armagetronad to 0.2.8.2
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06:20 <Joni> Brb
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06:36 <madmax|pt> hello
06:36 <joda_bot> hi madmax|pt
06:40 * spidey pokes max
06:40 <madmax|pt> erm
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5521 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: (log message trimmed)
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5514 to 5520:
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: r5519 | z-man | 2006-06-28 10:32:25 +0200 (Wed, 28 Jun 2006) | 1 line
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed another case of clientside player name filtering.
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
06:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Not merged, does not apply any more:
06:46 <luke-jr__> wtf is fNux? =p
06:48 <joda_bot> z-man-home: I'll contact you later about some issues with my commited team menu changes
06:48 <joda_bot> z-man-home: I guess I missed some important details sith SetDefaultTeam() ...
06:48 <joda_bot> sith =with
06:48 <z-man-home> ok
06:48 * joda_bot off to university
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06:50 <Joni> Hi guys
06:51 <joda_bot> Join: look inside httpd.conf and set permissions for htdocs to <directory... >allowFrom localhost </diretory>
06:51 <joda_bot> put test.php in a subdirectory and allow more access for that directory
06:51 <Joni> 2 secs
06:51 <Joni> ill try that
06:52 <joda_bot> or just move the index* of your Apache, Php package out of htdocs
06:52 <joda_bot> into a subdiretory
06:52 <joda_bot> and then "deny indexing" for htdocs/
06:52 <joda_bot> that way noone directly find the config screens
06:52 * joda_bot is away
06:52 <Joni> where should the php go then?
06:53 <joda_bot> your test.php could stay where it is, if you move the other provided files in htdocs
06:53 <joda_bot> otherwise move test.php to a subdirectory
06:53 <Joni> what do i do first?
06:54 <Joni> where is httpd.conf
06:54 <Joni> ?
06:54 <joda_bot> that's two solutions I provided, I guess moving the other files(except test.php) to a subdirectory is the right way to do it
06:54 <joda_bot> httpd.conf is in apache/conf/httpd.conf usually
06:54 <joda_bot> make a backup of that file before you edit it
06:55 <joda_bot> cu later g2g
06:55 <Joni> ok bye
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07:02 <Joni> How do i turn indexing off?
07:10 <luke-jr__> oh wow
07:10 <luke-jr__> I got an EXE
07:10 <luke-jr__> now how to test it, I haven't a clue
07:10 <spidey> ?
07:11 <spidey> wine?
07:11 <luke-jr__> it's a 32-bit EXE
07:11 <luke-jr__> and 64-bit WINE doesn't work yet AFAIK
07:12 <spidey> you got a 64bit processor?
07:12 <luke-jr__> yes...
07:12 <spidey> ....
07:12 <spidey> i wouldn't run a 64bit os on it
07:12 <spidey> i'd run a 32bit
07:12 <spidey> it's run soooo much faster
07:12 <spidey> it'd*
07:13 <luke-jr__> ROFL
07:13 <luke-jr__> baka
07:13 <luke-jr__> 32-bit code runs horribly slow compared to 64-bit
07:13 <spidey> not on a 64bit processor
07:14 <luke-jr__> yes
07:14 <spidey> i've seen it for myself :p
07:14 <luke-jr__> you've probably never seen a real 64-bit OS
07:15 <spidey> maybe
07:16 <Joni> what was that linux OS again?
07:16 <spidey> which one?
07:16 <spidey> there's lots
07:16 <luke-jr__> Linux is just a single program
07:16 <luke-jr__> used in lots of OS
07:16 <madmax|pt> .3 not downloadable... can't find the server at h.distfiles.aabeta.dashjr.org.
07:16 <Joni> it began with a K
07:16 <Joni> the one you run off a CD
07:16 <spidey> kubuntu?
07:16 <Joni> nop
07:16 <spidey> knoppix?
07:16 <luke-jr__> hm
07:16 <Joni> knoppix
07:17 <Joni> yes thats it
07:17 <Joni> thanks
07:17 <spidey> np
07:17 <luke-jr__> madmax|pt: try in ~5 min
07:17 <madmax|pt> ok
07:17 <madmax|pt> thanks
07:32 <Joni> you know on XAMPP
07:32 <Joni> how do i change the 404 page?
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07:56 <luke-jr__> where's SD? :o
08:05 <Joni> SD???
08:05 <luke-jr__> Self Destructo
08:06 <madmax|pt> luke, 404 @ beta.arma :S
08:06 <luke-jr__> madmax|pt: ...?
08:07 <madmax|pt> "The requested URL /0.3/20060624/armagetronad-0.3.0_alpha5009.src.tar.bz2 was not found on this server."
08:08 <luke-jr__> there
08:08 <luke-jr__> try now
08:08 <luke-jr__> -.-
08:09 <madmax|pt> ok :D
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08:28 <Joni> Hi
08:29 <ghableska> hi Joni
08:29 <Joni> Joda: i think i have secured it
08:29 <ghableska> your page?
08:29 <Joni> yes
08:30 <Joni> http://joni.sytes.net
08:30 <ghableska> cool :)
08:30 <Joni> that should take you to my server stats
08:30 <Joni> does it?
08:30 <ghableska> yes
08:30 <Joni> good.
08:30 <Joni> lol
08:30 <madmax|pt> crap! Microsoft bought iView Media
08:31 <ghableska> ?
08:31 <Joni> iView?
08:31 <Joni> whats that?
08:32 <madmax|pt> image cataloger
08:32 <ghableska> oh
08:32 <ghableska> so why's that bad?
08:32 <madmax|pt> something like ACDSee
08:33 <madmax|pt> I don't trust microsoft to develop anything
08:33 <madmax|pt> lol
08:33 <madmax|pt> http://www.iview-multimedia.com/products/10tools.php
08:33 <madmax|pt> it's a really nice program
08:33 <ghableska> hehe
08:39 <ghableska> wow...
08:39 <ghableska> lots of servers empty today...
08:46 <Joni> yes
08:57 * ghableska pokes madmax|pt
08:58 <ghableska> #google fight madmax ghableska
08:58 <armabot> ghableska: madmax: 1300000, ghableska: 515
08:58 <ghableska> aww
08:58 <madmax|pt> pwn
08:58 <ghableska> #google fight madmax|pt ghableska
08:58 <armabot> ghableska: madmax|pt: 391000000, ghableska: 501
08:58 <madmax|pt> pwn
08:58 <ghableska> ...
08:59 <ghableska> um
08:59 <z-man> | means OR, perhaps :)
08:59 <Joni> #google fight madmax|pt Joni
08:59 <armabot> Joni: madmax|pt: 391000000, Joni: 15000000
08:59 <ghableska> heh
08:59 <Joni> kik
08:59 <ghableska> #google fight z-man madmax|pt
09:00 <Joni> i meant lol
09:00 <armabot> ghableska: madmax|pt: 541000000, z-man: 2980000
09:00 <Joni> lol
09:00 <madmax|pt> Just... don't.
09:00 <madmax|pt> lol
09:00 <z-man> #google fight z-man|pt madmax|pt
09:00 <armabot> z-man: madmax|pt: 541000000, z-man|pt: 2540000
09:00 <ghableska> hehe
09:00 <z-man> grr
09:00 <madmax|pt> ahah
09:00 <madmax|pt> :P
09:01 <z-man> something about the |pt that only helps you :)
09:01 <ghableska> the power of |pt :P
09:02 <Joni> i wonder what it is
09:05 <Joni> what does the |pt stand for?
09:13 <madmax|pt> portugal
09:13 <madmax|pt> 'madmax' already taken
09:14 <ghableska> heh
09:14 <ghableska> there's also a Simcosmos(PT)
09:15 <spidey> what about pl ?
09:16 <madmax|pt> he's portuguese too
09:16 <ghableska> who?
09:16 <ghableska> Sim?
09:17 <madmax|pt> yes
09:17 <spidey> #google fight madmax|pt spidey
09:17 <spidey> O_o
09:17 <madmax|pt> lol
09:17 <ghableska> O_o
09:17 <spidey> oh yea,lol
09:18 * ghableska pokes armabot
09:18 <spidey> luci made the bot ignore me cause he's being a ass :)
09:18 <madmax|pt> #google fight madmax|pt spidey
09:18 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax|pt: 541000000, spidey: 4480000
09:18 <spidey> :/
09:18 <madmax|pt> :P
09:18 <spidey> best 2 of 3? :p
09:18 <madmax|pt> #google fight madmax|pt spidey
09:18 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax|pt: 391000000, spidey: 3570000
09:19 <spidey> :/
09:19 <madmax|pt> pwn
09:20 <Joni> #google fight Joni spidey
09:20 <armabot> Joni: Joni: 15000000, spidey: 3570000
09:20 <Joni> Yes!!!
09:20 <Joni> i won lol
09:20 <ghableska> #google fight google fight
09:20 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
09:21 <spidey> pwn
09:21 <ghableska> o_O
09:21 <Joni> lmao
09:21 <ghableska> error...
09:21 <ghableska> nice
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09:22 <Joni> g2g guys
09:22 <Joni> bye!!!!
09:22 <ghableska> cu
09:22 <spidey> cya
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09:23 * ghableska slaps spidey
09:23 * spidey trips ghableska
09:23 * ghableska falls over
09:23 <ghableska> :(
09:23 * ghableska starts to cry xD
09:25 <spidey> :p
09:25 * spidey throws ghableska a old used tissue
09:26 * ghableska blows into it and chucks it at spidey
09:26 <spidey> O_o
09:26 <ghableska> revenge :P
09:26 * spidey ducks and watches it stick to luke-jr__'s forhead
09:26 <ghableska> where did luke-jr__ come from? :P
09:26 <spidey> dunno
09:26 <spidey> lol
09:27 <luke-jr__> ...
09:27 <madmax|pt> this is better than star wars
09:27 <spidey> what is?
09:27 * ghableska offers luke-jr__ a bar of soap
09:27 * spidey rubs the soap in poison ivy
09:27 <spidey> O_o
09:27 * luke-jr__ rips ghableska's liver out
09:27 <spidey> LOLOLOL
09:28 * ghableska dies and floats away
09:28 * ghableska comes back as a ghost to haunt spidey :P
09:28 * spidey calls ghost busters
09:28 * ghableska runs away
09:28 * spidey wins
09:28 * ghableska gets pwnd
09:28 <ghableska> :P
09:29 <spidey> xD
09:29 <ghableska> #poke spidey
09:29 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
09:31 <ghableska> so...
09:31 <spidey> what...
09:32 <ghableska> what...?
09:32 <spidey> when...
09:32 <ghableska> o_O
09:32 <ghableska> this conversation is going nowhere :P
09:32 <spidey> exactly
09:33 <ghableska> :P
09:33 <spidey> heh
09:33 <ghableska> hmmm
09:33 <spidey> i was gonna say why...
09:33 <ghableska> but?
09:34 <spidey> butt'
09:34 <ghableska> o_O
09:34 <ghableska> new topic...
09:34 <spidey> O_o
09:34 <spidey> ok
09:34 <ghableska> you pick it
09:34 <spidey> you choose
09:34 <spidey> no i insist
09:34 <ghableska> nah, you can have the honor :P
09:34 <spidey> ladies first :p
09:35 <ghableska> so then you're going to pick it :P
09:35 <spidey> nah....it's all yours
09:35 <ghableska> nah
09:35 <spidey> yah
09:36 <ghableska> nah
09:36 <spidey> maybe
09:36 <ghableska> perhaps
09:36 <spidey> possibly
09:36 <ghableska> or not...
09:37 <spidey> or maybe
09:37 <spidey> floccinaucinihilipilification
09:38 <ghableska> o_O
09:38 <ghableska> http://www.spidey.youaremighty.com/ :P
09:38 <spidey> O_o
09:39 <spidey> hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahaahha
09:39 <spidey> you make that?
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09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi all
09:41 <luke-jr__> run
09:41 <luke-jr__> spidey and ghableska are being retarded
09:41 <ghableska> spidey, no :P
09:41 <spidey> LOL
09:41 * ghableska runs away
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09:41 <spidey> lol
09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> brb
09:43 * madmax|pt bbl
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> had to get some cold drink
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's being really hot here
10:10 <spidey> http://www.DarkStar.justgotowned.com/
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10:44 <spidey> O_o
11:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: lol
11:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_sumo-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
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11:23 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_knightmare-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_knightmare-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:30 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_knightmare-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:33 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_knightmare-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:36 <madmax|pt> #google fight madmax spiderman
11:36 <armabot> madmax|pt: spiderman: 22600000, madmax: 1300000
11:36 <madmax|pt> #google fight madmax|pt spiderman
11:36 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax|pt: 541000000, spiderman: 20900000
11:36 <madmax|pt> lol
11:36 <madmax|pt> the '|pt' really has something special
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11:43 <luke-jr__> What email address are we supposed to use for SD?
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11:53 <joda_bo1> #google fight madmax.pt z-man
11:53 <armabot> joda_bo1: z-man: 2980000, madmax.pt: 13
11:55 <joda_bo1> heh ;)
11:55 <joda_bo1> #google fight joda.bot z-man
11:55 <armabot> joda_bo1: z-man: 1930000, joda.bot: 2310
11:55 <joda_bo1> :)
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #google fight darkstar z-man
11:55 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: darkstar: 5400000, z-man: 1930000
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> slightly more ^^
11:55 <joda_bo1> You have to pick something that's uniquely identifying (more or less ;))
11:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #google fight [Xpert]DarkStar z-man
11:56 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: DarkStar: 4850000, [Xpert]: 4110000, z-man: 1930000
11:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
11:56 <joda_bo1> #google fight xpert.DarkStar z-man
11:56 <armabot> joda_bo1: z-man: 2980000, xpert.DarkStar: 400
11:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ^^
11:56 <joda_bo1> . means xpert before Darkstart ;)
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11:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the less the better, right?
11:56 <luke-jr__> What email address are we supposed to use for SD?
11:57 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: who are you talking to ?
11:57 <luke-jr__> anyone
11:57 <joda_bot> heh ;)
11:57 <joda_bot> ask SD ?
11:57 <luke-jr__> .....
11:57 <luke-jr__> how?
11:57 <joda_bot> or guru3 might pm you the one from the forums ;)
11:57 <luke-jr__> I have 2
11:57 <luke-jr__> jsut dunno which is the right one to use =p
11:58 <joda_bot> oh all right, pick the one he uses, (probably the one he used last time ?)
11:58 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: will the address be visible to others ?
11:58 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: if that's the case just put a fake one there and check with SD, before he dies in Spam on his default account ;)
11:59 <madmax|pt> thats unfair ---> "#google fight madmax.pt z-man"
11:59 <madmax|pt> result manipulation
11:59 <madmax|pt> lol
11:59 <joda_bot> :)
11:59 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: ... I just need to email him
11:59 <joda_bot> #google fight joda.bot madmax.pt ;)
11:59 <armabot> joda_bot: joda.bot: 2310, madmax.pt: 13, ;): 0
11:59 <joda_bot> rofl
11:59 <joda_bot> #google fight armagetron armagetron.advanced
11:59 <madmax|pt> that even more manipulated!!
12:00 <armabot> joda_bot: armagetron: 294000, armagetron.advanced: 54000
12:00 <luke-jr__> #google fight joda.bot "Luke-Jr"
12:00 <armabot> luke-jr__: Luke-Jr: 83900, joda.bot: 2310
12:00 <joda_bot> :)
12:00 <madmax|pt> #google fight trongod madmax
12:00 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax: 1360000, trongod: 415
12:00 <luke-jr__> #google fight Utopios Gentoo
12:00 <spidey> O_o
12:00 <armabot> luke-jr__: Gentoo: 35900000, Utopios: 21300
12:00 <luke-jr__> aww ;p
12:00 <joda_bot> luke-jr__: how about a vote ? ;)
12:00 <madmax|pt> #google fight microsoft apple
12:00 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
12:00 <madmax|pt> o.O
12:00 <joda_bot> #google fight linux windows
12:00 <luke-jr__> #google fight Utopios Kubuntu
12:00 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
12:00 <armabot> luke-jr__: Kubuntu: 8390000, Utopios: 21300
12:00 <luke-jr__> joda_bot: what vote?
12:01 <joda_bot> the linux windows thing ;)
12:01 <joda_bot> #google fight linux windows
12:01 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
12:01 <joda_bot> #google fight windows linux
12:01 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
12:01 <madmax|pt> same as microsoft/apple
12:01 <joda_bot> :-P
12:01 <madmax|pt> lol
12:02 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: the values are just too big ;)
12:03 <joda_bot> 2,570,000,000 windows
12:03 <joda_bot> 1,080,000,000 linux
12:03 <joda_bot> :)
12:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
12:03 * joda_bot thinks luke-jr__ thinks that's because of the complains about windows and support requests which is probably right ;)
12:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the reason for this result of wind vs. lin is clear
12:05 <joda_bot> #google fight joda.bot statistic
12:05 <armabot> joda_bot: statistic: 43600000, joda.bot: 2310
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12:48 <spidey> O_o
12:48 <spidey> my cd burning software crashes when i try to load a 670mb mp3 list
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12:53 <cusco> yay
12:53 <cusco> #info
12:53 <armabot> cusco: (info <url|feed>) -- Returns information from the given RSS feed, namely the title, URL, description, and last update date, if available.
12:53 <cusco> woa
12:53 <cusco> can I just ask.. what bot is that?
12:55 <z-man> supybot is the name
12:58 <cusco> thanks :P
13:00 <cusco> tronning in a little
13:14 <spidey> fuuuuck
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13:40 <IHateSpiders> awe fuck,i got bit by a brown recluse :/
14:13 <luke-jr__> ...
14:13 <luke-jr__> hope you've been the hospital already
14:17 <madmax|pt> :O didnt know what that was
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14:18 <madmax|pt> hi Van<TAB>
14:18 <madmax|pt> :D
14:19 * madmax|pt Dinner...
14:19 <luke-jr__> madmax|pt: brown recluse are very poisonous spiders
14:19 <luke-jr__> IIRC, you basically need to amputate to live through a bite
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14:21 <Vanhayes_> #last
14:21 <armabot> Vanhayes_: [14:19:52] <luke-jr__> IIRC, you basically need to amputate to live through a bite
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14:22 <luke-jr__> ...
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14:43 <madmax|pt> almost made it to the triple '_'
14:44 <Vanhayes> alomost heh
14:45 <Vanhayes> it seems like my dsl is acting like dial-up everytime someone uses the phone I get disconnected
14:45 <wrtlprnft> wtf is a triple '_'?
14:45 <Vanhayes> Vanhayes___
14:45 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:46 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
14:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (13 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (9 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (6 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.7.1 (6 players) || Id tech (5 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (5 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (5 players) || (1 more message)
14:46 <Vanhayes> #more
14:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: ed's new map testing (4 players) || Speed and Rubber (only for diehards) (3 players) || Spiral's Den (3 players) || Tigers Network Team Play (3 players) || home of Andy and . (2 players)
14:46 <madmax|pt> nice
14:47 <Vanhayes> hmm is there anyway to see who is in the server from here?
14:47 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:47 <Vanhayes> damn
14:47 <luke-jr__> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php
14:49 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5522 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/serverlist.php: rcsexpr
14:49 <luke-jr__> in theory anyhow
14:50 <wrtlprnft> what a useful log message
14:50 * wrtlprnft can't tell what that means
14:51 <luke-jr__> =p
14:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://armagetronad.net/servers.php <-- that's the faster list
14:51 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: but it's not LIVE =p
14:52 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.de/b/servers/ <-- and that would be the best list if guru3's xml feed was working flawlessly
14:53 <luke-jr__> ;)
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15:02 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
15:03 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
15:05 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
15:05 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
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15:16 <armabot> About time he did something around here!
15:16 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5523 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/render/ (rFont.cpp rFont.h): Introduced an enum for the font types, that should make the rendering code at least a bit more readable.
15:16 <wrtlprnft> stf armabot
15:16 <wrtlprnft> *stfu
15:16 <ghableska> lol
15:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind removing that "About time he did something around here!"? I know it works
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> you can remove it :)
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
15:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, wrtlnotifier, commitnotifier, lucinotifier
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> #remove handler wrtlnotifier
15:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
15:17 <wrtlprnft> thought i'd need to be owner
15:17 <wrtlprnft> sec
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> er
15:17 <wrtlprnft> i'll try...
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> #removehandler lucinotifier
15:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
15:18 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
15:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I don't recognize you.
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> you only have to be owner to create "cmd" aliases
15:18 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:18 <wrtlprnft> what about a handler for armabot "commands"?
15:18 * Lucifer_arma is still catching up on the forums, let him know if you have trouble removing it
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> sure, all you need to do is write it and commit it. :) armabotupdate will pull it in.
15:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i've gotta go in a few minutes
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm the only one who can reload the plugin right now.
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll take care of the wrtlnotifier in a few minutes
15:19 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler wrtlnotifier
15:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:19 <wrtlprnft> there we go
15:20 * wrtlprnft hates the stuff astyle does sometimes
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15:30 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
15:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: aabetaupdate, armabotupdate, commitnotifier
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, no more spurious handlers that only existed to make the point that handlers can exist now :)
15:33 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: should make it so only certain people can delete ones they didn't make
15:33 <luke-jr__> would be annoying if someone deleted aabeta's
15:34 <IHateSpiders> ,
15:35 -!- IHateSpiders is now known as spidey
15:35 * spidey might be missing a hole in his leg by monday :|
15:36 <luke-jr__> I certainly hope you're not waiting until Mon
15:36 <luke-jr__> I'd go to the ER
15:36 <spidey> not sure if that's what it is
15:36 <spidey> though i found the spider
15:36 <luke-jr__> and you'd be missing the flesh, you'd be gaining the hole
15:36 <spidey> dead...at the foot of my bed
15:39 <spidey> and not monday
15:39 <spidey> i ment friday
15:39 <spidey> i thought it was thursday :/
15:54 <ghableska>
15:54 <ghableska> luke-jr__, am I still retarded?
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15:55 <Vanhayes> you'd think you would know that ghableska
15:56 <ghableska> :P
15:56 <ghableska> hmm
15:56 <ghableska> armagetron disappeared
15:58 <Vanhayes> what do you mean it "dissapeared"?
15:58 <Vanhayes> it closed itself?
15:58 <Vanhayes> welcome to fortress ghableska
15:59 <ghableska> I minimized it, and it wouldn't come backl
15:59 <ghableska> *bacl
15:59 <ghableska> *back
15:59 <ghableska> grr
15:59 <Vanhayes> lol
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16:02 * ghableska pokes Vanhayes
16:02 * Vanhayes pokes back
16:03 * ghableska gets poked
16:04 * Vanhayes saw him get poked seeing as he is the one who poked him
16:04 <ghableska> o_O
16:04 <ghableska> lol
16:04 * ghableska saw tttttttttttttttttttttt
16:04 <ghableska> grr
16:04 <Vanhayes> that was confusing to write
16:04 <ghableska> keyboard :(
16:04 <Vanhayes> lol
16:04 * Vanhayes just killed ghableska
16:05 <ghableska> cccccccccccccccccccccccchronos?
16:05 <ghableska> er, no h
16:05 <Vanhayes> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyessssssssss
16:05 <Vanhayes> ya no h
16:05 <ghableska> you killed me because my keyboard froooooooooooooooooooooooooze
16:06 * Vanhayes pokes madmax|pt
16:07 <Vanhayes> damn i think I have spyware
16:07 * ghableska watches madmax|pt get poked by the one that poked ghableska
16:07 <ghableska> why?
16:08 <Vanhayes> well there is this little icon in the bottom right of my comp saying I have a virus and I have to buy new software, but i did a virus scan so it isnt real
16:09 <ghableska> o_O
16:09 <ghableska> do you have antispyware apps?
16:09 <Vanhayes> supposed to but It isnt working
16:10 <ghableska> which one?
16:11 <Vanhayes> mcaffe is supposed to be able to find it but mcaffee sucks so...
16:12 <ghableska> oh
16:12 <madmax|pt> o_O
16:12 * Vanhayes pokes madmax|pt
16:12 <madmax|pt> O_o
16:13 <ghableska> Vanhayes: try this http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/
16:13 <madmax|pt> i died five times doing 180's
16:13 <madmax|pt> and i had the needed rubber
16:13 <ghableska> hehe
16:14 <Vanhayes> that has happened to me before too, was it somone elses wall u were 180ing?
16:14 <madmax|pt> no
16:14 <madmax|pt> mine
16:14 <madmax|pt> but its odd
16:15 <madmax|pt> cause i know i was doing it right
16:16 <ghableska> wow, first time I've had 10 points in a long time
16:17 <madmax|pt> lol
16:18 <ghableska> Vanhayes, have you downloaded it?
16:18 <Vanhayes> yes doing scan now
16:18 <ghableska> do a complete scan
16:18 <Vanhayes> yup
16:19 <madmax|pt> i was trying to teach someone how to use adaware
16:19 <madmax|pt> didnt make it
16:20 <madmax|pt> the person was too... hmmm...
16:20 <Vanhayes> unsmart?
16:20 <ghableska> o_O
16:20 <Vanhayes> better than calling them stupid I think
16:21 <ghableska> mentally challenged?
16:21 <ghableska> I found a book of euphemisms
16:21 <Vanhayes> uh oh
16:22 <Vanhayes> "windows explorer has incountered problems and now has to close..."
16:22 <ghableska> o_O
16:22 <Vanhayes> wow my desktop and menu bar just disappeared for a minute there
16:22 <madmax|pt> lol
16:22 <madmax|pt> normal...
16:23 <Vanhayes> unfortunetly, for windows it isnt that rare
16:23 <Vanhayes> hmm what is a registry key?
16:23 <ghableska> nope
16:24 <Vanhayes> er registry value I mean
16:24 <ghableska> dunno
16:24 <ghableska> is the scan done?
16:25 <Vanhayes> 80 000 scanned so far so about half done
16:25 <madmax|pt> http://www.winguides.com/article.php?id=1&guide=registry
16:25 <ghableska> wow...
16:25 <Vanhayes> 80000 files that is
16:25 <ghableska> ah ;)
16:27 <Vanhayes> ghableska, how many running processes do you have going?
16:27 <ghableska> 46.
16:28 <Vanhayes> ok, mine isnt that high then i have 53
16:28 <ghableska> Wait, when you press ctrl+alt-delete?
16:28 <ghableska> Or after a scan?
16:28 <Vanhayes> scan says how mant are going, it is the same as ctrl+alt+delete
16:29 <Vanhayes> well it is close
16:29 <Vanhayes> 3 off
16:29 <ghableska> ok
16:29 <ghableska> how many things found?
16:29 <Vanhayes> 176 critical objects found
16:29 <ghableska> o_O
16:30 <Vanhayes> iim guessing THAT is high?
16:30 <ghableska> I usually get 5-10, and those are tracking cookies.
16:30 <Vanhayes> ya mcaffee sucks
16:30 <ghableska> lol, yeah
16:30 <Vanhayes> it said zero were found and i did the scan about an hour ago
16:31 <ghableska> wow
16:31 <Vanhayes> up to 150 000 scanned
16:32 <madmax|pt> what about trying linux Van?
16:32 <Vanhayes> not my comp, its my parents
16:32 <ghableska> :P
16:32 <Vanhayes> and lets just say they arent very computer savy
16:32 <ghableska> hehe
16:32 <ghableska> ditto
16:35 <spidey> 53!?!?!?
16:35 <spidey> 46!?!?!
16:35 <spidey> with the servers i run on windows and my everyday tasks
16:35 <spidey> i never top 30
16:35 <ghableska> o_O
16:35 <Vanhayes> windows loves proceeses
16:36 <spidey> i tweaked mine
16:36 <spidey> so withou nothing running
16:36 <spidey> i have 13 processes
16:36 <ghableska> Whoa.
16:36 <ghableska> WTF is dumprep?
16:36 <spidey> that is when a program crashes
16:36 <spidey> 'er i kinda forgot
16:36 <Vanhayes> wow with nothing running i have... 50
16:36 <spidey> but i know it's got to do with a program or system crash
16:37 <spidey> you can end it if you want
16:37 <ghableska> yeah, armagetron crashed
16:37 <spidey> ;)
16:38 <Vanhayes> wow up to 200 000 files scanned now
16:38 <ghableska> brb, windows update wants me to restart.
16:38 <Vanhayes> hate those
16:38 <Vanhayes> cya
16:39 <ghableska> cu
16:39 <spidey> oh van
16:39 <spidey> you're in x-chat right?
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16:39 <Vanhayes> nope it isnt free for windows
16:39 <spidey> what client you using?
16:39 <spidey> and the one i got is :p
16:39 <Vanhayes> 30 day trial ran up 2 days ago
16:39 <Vanhayes> it isnt free for windows anyway
16:39 <spidey> i got the last free version t hey offered
16:40 <spidey> it was free for windows :p
16:40 <Vanhayes> it is still free for and OS but windows
16:40 <spidey> but what client are you using?
16:40 <Vanhayes> HydraIRC
16:40 <Vanhayes> im testing out a bunch
16:40 <Vanhayes> why?
16:40 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/proccess.jpg right click that and tell me if it says open in browser
16:41 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/proccesses.jpg
16:41 <spidey> my bad
16:42 <Vanhayes> no this one wont open links if i click left or right
16:43 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/processes.jpg
16:43 <spidey> wow my spelling sucks
16:43 <spidey> see i have 21 running including taskmanager :p
16:44 <Vanhayes> wow those take alot mem tho
16:44 <spidey> ........
16:44 <spidey> only 181 mb
16:44 <Vanhayes> my highest is 13 000
16:45 <Vanhayes> and that is my browser
16:45 <spidey> well
16:45 <spidey> i have 376 so it doesn't matter
16:45 <spidey> :p
16:45 <Vanhayes> lol
16:45 <spidey> actually
16:45 <spidey> next time i reboot
16:45 <spidey> i'm putting 512mb in this one
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16:46 <spidey> that's actually gonna be a pain
16:46 <Vanhayes> wow 230 000 some files scaned
16:46 <ghableska> re
16:46 <Vanhayes> it is finally done
16:46 <ghableska> really?
16:46 <Vanhayes> wb
16:46 <Vanhayes> yes
16:46 <ghableska> how many things found?
16:46 <Vanhayes> lol 282
16:46 <ghableska> :O
16:46 <spidey> i have to move a lcd 2 speakers....the stereo....a sub.....then the computers.....then put it all back
16:47 <ghableska> why?
16:47 <spidey> everything's crambed ontop of each other
16:47 <spidey> next time i reboot i'm putting 512mb of ram in this computer
16:47 <Vanhayes> 282 critical objects and 15 different spyware/adware programs
16:47 <Vanhayes> er 25
16:47 <Vanhayes> not 15
16:48 <ghableska> uh
16:48 <ghableska> maybe, a little bit too much?
16:48 <Vanhayes> maybe
16:49 <ghableska> I only have two spyware programs, one antivirus, and a firewall
16:49 <spidey> meh
16:49 <spidey> i have
16:49 <ghableska> :P
16:49 <ghableska> many more, of course
16:49 <spidey> 1 spyware....and 1 registry scanner
16:49 <spidey> i have a hardware firewall so i don't need a software ofcourse
16:50 <ghableska> ah ;)
16:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/processes.jpg <<< my processes :p
16:51 <ghableska> neat
16:51 <ghableska> what's svchost?
16:51 <Vanhayes> ok im gonna restart brb
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16:51 <spidey> svchost is a bunch of system programs
16:51 <spidey> running as 1 service
16:51 <ghableska> ok
16:52 <spidey> like,for networking services...they're all running as 1 svchost under the user "network" or something
16:52 <ghableska> oh
16:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/blah.jpg
16:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/blah2.jpg
16:53 <spidey> i need to clean eh?
16:53 <spidey> :p
16:53 <ghableska> kinda grainy...
16:53 <ghableska> what's the blue stuff?
16:53 <spidey> the webcam sucks
16:53 <spidey> the blue stuff is the case lights
16:53 <ghableska> cool
16:53 <spidey> there's a fan on the side of the case that glows blue too
16:54 <ghableska> nice
16:54 <ghableska> you made your own pc?
16:54 <spidey> the one that has the blue i didn't
16:54 <ghableska> oh
16:54 <spidey> the other (this one) is a dell
16:54 <ghableska> which is better?
16:54 <spidey> well
16:55 <spidey> the one with blue lights is a celeron 2.40ghz with 128kb l2 cache and a 99mhz FSB and 376mb ram
16:56 <spidey> this one has a p4 2.21 ghz 256kb l2 chace and a 100.2 mhz FSB with 376mb ram
16:56 <ghableska> hm
16:56 <spidey> cache*
16:56 <spidey> this one has a 111gigs hdd master and 20gig slave
16:56 <spidey> that one has 2 60gig drives
16:56 <spidey> s/60/80
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17:03 <spidey> wb
17:03 <ghableska> wb
17:03 <spidey> van,you use pirated software?
17:03 <ghableska> *gasp*
17:03 <Vanhayes> like..?
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17:04 <spidey> a registry scanner....cause with all that malware you'll need to run one
17:04 <Vanhayes> meh what ghableska gave worked good the spyware is gone
17:05 <spidey> yes but
17:05 <spidey> does it remove the registry keys they made?
17:05 <Vanhayes> yes
17:05 <spidey> cause windows has to read that,and it slows down the computer alot
17:05 <spidey> you sure? :)
17:05 <Vanhayes> pretty sure
17:05 <spidey> what is it?
17:06 <spidey> and please don't say search and destroy :p
17:06 <Vanhayes> ad-aware SE personal
17:06 <spidey> heh
17:06 <spidey> samething i use :/
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17:38 * Vanhayes hates his connection alot
17:39 <wrtlprnft> :P
17:39 <ghableska> :P
17:39 <wrtlprnft> wait a week and I'll pwn fortress with an excellent ping :D
17:39 <Vanhayes> is that when u will be in germany?
17:39 <wrtlprnft> or maybe lose because I get less rubber bonus
17:39 <Vanhayes> lol
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> Good pings are for noobs or people with no skills.
17:39 <wrtlprnft> well, i leave on friday morning
17:40 <wrtlprnft> but I expect to be kinda busy for the first few days
17:40 <Lucifer_arma> it'll probably take you awhile to get used to the rubber.
17:40 <Vanhayes> #canada
17:40 <armabot> 4
17:40 <Vanhayes> :(
17:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
17:40 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: appears fine for me :P
17:40 <Vanhayes> supposed to look like canadian flag
17:40 <Vanhayes> heh
17:41 <Vanhayes> what is MAP_URI?
17:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: don't use it
17:42 <wrtlprnft> leave it alone, IIRC it was removed for 0.3.0
17:42 <wrtlprnft> #canada2
17:42 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
17:47 <Vanhayes> ha nice
17:47 <spidey> man,this house is becoming a insect farm
17:47 <spidey> somehow another wasp got in my room
17:47 <Vanhayes> close the windows?
17:47 <spidey> now i just seen afuckin huge cricket
17:47 <spidey> the windows either got a screen
17:47 <spidey> or a fan in them
17:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, so you don't get worms and viruses as well
17:48 <spidey> :|
17:48 <spidey> asshole
17:49 <wrtlprnft> just a simple comment
17:49 <spidey> yea,and i'm george bush's twin
17:49 <ghableska> :P
17:49 <Vanhayes> jeb?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> really? nice meating you
17:51 * wrtlprnft punches spidey in the face
17:51 <ghableska> o_O
17:51 <ghableska> you are violent
17:51 <wrtlprnft> well, actually I'm punching george bush's twin in the face
17:51 * spidey watches wrtlprnft punch the screen....nice now you have glass in your hand
17:51 <wrtlprnft> glass?
17:52 <ghableska> ah, good thinking
17:52 <wrtlprnft> who still uses CRTs?
17:52 <ghableska> spidey :P
17:52 <spidey> i got a lcd and a plasma,both 17" viewable
17:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 17 inches in cm
17:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 17 inches = 43.18 centimeters
17:53 <wrtlprnft> heck, it's centimeTRes
17:53 <spidey> not what google says
17:53 <Vanhayes> #g 43.18 cm in m
17:53 <wrtlprnft> err
17:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: 43.18 centimeters = 0.4318 meters
17:53 <Vanhayes> hmm
17:53 <wrtlprnft> divide by 100
17:53 <Vanhayes> lol
17:54 <ghableska> hehe
17:54 <Vanhayes> i know
17:54 <wrtlprnft> wtf
17:54 <madmax|pt> #g 1 mile in km
17:54 <wrtlprnft> even google canada says meters :(
17:54 <madmax|pt> lol
17:54 <armabot> madmax|pt: 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometers
17:55 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 second in metres
17:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:55 <ghableska> klol
17:55 <wrtlprnft> wtf
17:55 <ghableska> *lol
17:55 <wrtlprnft> sure that's possible
17:55 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of light
17:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s
17:56 <wrtlprnft> there you go
17:56 <wrtlprnft> 1 second is 299,792,458 metres
17:56 <ghableska> for light
17:56 <spidey> that's fuckin fast
17:56 <ghableska> whee
17:56 <spidey> no way someone could withstand the gforce from that speed
17:57 <ghableska> not if you accelerated gradually
17:57 <madmax|pt> no physics please
17:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm, if you play around with spacetime and relativity I think you come to the result that metres and seconds are indeed units for the same thing
17:57 <ghableska> spidey's inner geek: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/spidey/
17:57 <ghableska> :P
17:57 <spidey> ::/
17:57 * wrtlprnft wonders how speed would cause a gforce
17:58 <madmax|pt> "Spidey is written in C"
17:58 <madmax|pt> lol
17:58 <spidey> lies
17:58 <ghableska> speed of light= c :P
17:58 <madmax|pt> but... internet doesnt lie...
17:59 <wrtlprnft> if you move constantly on earth with a speed of 100,000,000m/s you will still experience 9.81N/kg of g-force
17:59 <wrtlprnft> or actually you'd experience...
17:59 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth
17:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth = 9.80665 m / s^(2)
17:59 <wrtlprnft> 9.80665 N/kg
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> you sure you wouldn't experience free fall?
17:59 <wrtlprnft> hmm?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> if you move at a constant velocity?
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> right
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> velocity has to change to experience gforce due to acceleration, so you don't get that,
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> and you're moving very fast (in the number you've given). Is it fast enough to increase your orbit? (I forget the numbers right off hand)
18:01 <wrtlprnft> imagine you move on a straight line
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and imagine you don't change your distance to earth by a significant amount
18:02 <wrtlprnft> then the earth will pull you towards it, and if you don't change your velocity there must be some force acting against iz
18:02 <wrtlprnft> *it
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> and your distance to earth is what?
18:03 <wrtlprnft> close to the surface
18:03 <Vanhayes> about 2 feet
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> at 100,000,000m/s?
18:03 <ghableska> you'd be burning up...
18:03 <wrtlprnft> sure
18:03 <Vanhayes> er no right now
18:03 <wrtlprnft> assume you're in a big evacuated tube
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18:03 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect your distance from earth would increase in that case
18:03 * Lucifer_arma tries to remember angular velocity
18:04 <wrtlprnft> not if you monitor a small enough amount of time
18:04 <Vanhayes> actually right now I am -3 feet from the surface of the earth
18:04 <madmax|pt> is it nice?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> distances are never negative
18:04 <Vanhayes> well i am below griound so...
18:04 <ghableska> o_O
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you're 3 feet from the surface of the earth, downwards
18:05 <Vanhayes> in my basement
18:05 <wrtlprnft> distances are always positive
18:05 <Vanhayes> ok
18:05 <Vanhayes> true
18:05 <Vanhayes> id like to see -3 feet from something tho
18:05 <wrtlprnft> your relative height to the surface is -3 feet
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have here in my notes from trig that to put a satellite at a 1000km orbit you have to accelerate it to a velocity of 48,950km/hour
18:06 <Vanhayes> #g -3 meters in feet
18:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: -3 meters = -9.84251969 feet
18:07 <ghableska> because the faster you go, the higher up you need to be to have an orbit, right?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> we're not talking about orbit here
18:07 <wrtlprnft> something in orbit doesn't have a constant velocity
18:07 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: other way
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 100,000,000 * 3600 / 1000
18:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (100,000,000 * 3,600) / 1,000 = 360,000,000
18:08 <wrtlprnft> err
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> so 360,000,000 km/hour?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> dude, you're going to mars at that speed
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> you're leaving earth orbit entirely
18:08 <spidey> #g 360,000,000 km in miles
18:08 <spidey> bah
18:08 <wrtlprnft> it's a third of the speed of light if you look at it
18:09 <wrtlprnft> that means you'll be at mars in an average time of one hour
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g light speed
18:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> so you're definitely not feeling the effects of gravity on earth for very long :)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> no, definitely, but that's not the point
18:10 <wrtlprnft> the point is that if you have a constant velocity somewhere near the ground the g-force you experience will be 9.81m/s^2
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> eh? sure it is. If you bring your velocity to a point that is equal to the angular velocity of the point on the circle you occupy which shares a center with the center of the earth,
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> you are in free fall
18:10 <Vanhayes> #g 360,000,000 Miles in kilometers
18:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> you're still subjected to the effects of earth's gravity, because you're in orbit
18:11 <wrtlprnft> something in orbit does NOT have a constant velocity
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> how do you figure?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> a constant speed, maybe
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> velocity = speed
18:11 <wrtlprnft> nope
18:11 <wrtlprnft> speed is skalar
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 'splain
18:12 <wrtlprnft> velocity is a vector
18:12 <wrtlprnft> so velocity is speed + its direction
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> no :)
18:12 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity
18:12 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> velocity is the first derivative of the distance function
18:12 <wrtlprnft> The velocity of an object is simply its speed in a particular direction. Since velocity is defined as a vector, both speed and direction are required to define it.
18:12 <wrtlprnft> Speed (symbol: v) is the rate of motion, or equivalently the rate of change of position, expressed as distance d moved per unit of time t.
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> then what is the point you're trying to make? Velocity being a vector doesn't make what I thought your point was
18:13 <wrtlprnft> so constant velocity means constant speed AND constant direction
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18:13 <wrtlprnft> so something in orbit does not have a constant velocity
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> now you're just language lawyering, but I'll play along
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> in order to stay in orbit, you have to apply a vector that is tangential to the orbit you wish to occupy
18:14 <wrtlprnft> so, everything with a constant velocity will experience the same g-force and most have some additional force acting upon you
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> and it has to "cancel out" with the pull of earth's gravity, because earth's gravity exerts a downward vector on you
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> where "down" is "towards the center of the earth"
18:14 <wrtlprnft> we're not talking about orbits here
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> um, yes we are :)
18:15 <wrtlprnft> you are
18:15 <wrtlprnft> i'm trying to tell you why being in orbit is not what I'm talking about
18:15 <wrtlprnft> I'm talking about constant velocity
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> you are too, All I wanted to do was see if the speed you gave would change your distance from the planet
18:16 <wrtlprnft> everything at constant velocity at the same spot will experience the same g-force
18:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it would, but I'm talking about a snapshot in time
18:17 <wrtlprnft> 17:56 <spidey> that's fuckin fast
18:17 <wrtlprnft> 17:56 <ghableska> whee
18:17 <wrtlprnft> 17:56 <spidey> no way someone could withstand the gforce from that speed
18:17 <wrtlprnft> this is what I'm trying to say is wrong
18:17 <wrtlprnft> from moving at some high speed you don't automatically withstand a higher gravitational force
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> constant velocity is a physical impossibility in a field of gravity, then, because of the effects of gravity
18:18 <wrtlprnft> sure it's possible
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> in order to avoid being affected by gravity, you have to change the force behind you
18:18 <wrtlprnft> you need an additional force acting against it
18:18 <wrtlprnft> that way a plane can have an almost constant velocity
18:19 <wrtlprnft> and even though the plane moves fast yout gravitational force doesn't change
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> to travel in a straight line that's at a given distance from earth at some arbitrary point in space and tangential to the circle you have to increase the force component of the velocity vector
18:19 <wrtlprnft> nope
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> yep
18:19 <wrtlprnft> you don't have to increase anything
18:20 <spidey> well....the further from earth you get....the less gravity...so wouldn't the pull from earth be less = faster speeds the further away?
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> because the force of gravity will pull you and change your direction
18:20 <wrtlprnft> so you need an equeal and opposite force against
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> right, and that force has to increase in order to continue in a straight line
18:21 <wrtlprnft> why?
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> if you say "straight line relative to earth", you're actually talking about a circle, which, as you say, is not a constant velocity
18:21 <wrtlprnft> if the gravitational force doesn't change
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> gravitational force does change :)
18:21 <wrtlprnft> no, I'm talking about a straight line that has a given distance to earth at a given point
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> right, a tangent line
18:22 <wrtlprnft> not necessarily
18:22 <wrtlprnft> same if you're moving upward
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not the same if you're moving upward, because the force component of your vector is pointing in a different direction
18:23 <wrtlprnft> what force component?
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> a vector is two parts, isn't it? force and direction
18:23 <wrtlprnft> if you're in an elevator at constant speed you don't experience a different g- force
18:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, velocity and force are different things
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what are the two parts of a vector?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> and if your velocity changes your force doesn't
18:24 <wrtlprnft> direction and the scalar part
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> and in velocity you're saying the scalar part is a simple rate of change of distance (being hopelessly pedantic)
18:25 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:25 <wrtlprnft> and that doesn't affect the gravitational foce acting on the body
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> so, to go in a straight line away from the center of the earth, you need to apply a force behind you that exceeds 9.8m/s/s, the actual number varies with your mass, of course
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> sure it does, it's one of Newton's laws of motion
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> but you do have to go pretty far before it seriously affects you, a skyscraper isn't quite enough
18:26 <wrtlprnft> 1) a body without a net force acting on it will not change its velocity
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's not the point.
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> 2) in a gravitational field, there is a force acting on that body
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> the force of gravity!
18:27 <wrtlprnft> First law
18:27 <wrtlprnft> Objects in motion tend to stay in motion, and objects at rest tend to stay at rest unless an outside force acts upon them.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> Second law
18:27 <wrtlprnft> The rate of change of the momentum of a body is directly proportional to the net force acting on it, and the direction of the change in momentum takes place in the direction of the net force.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> Third law
18:27 <wrtlprnft> To every action (force applied) there is an equal and opposite reaction (equal force applied in the opposite direction).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law
18:27 <wrtlprnft> err
18:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't see anything about gravitation in that
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, Law of Gravitation, sorry
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> F = G * m1m1/r^2
18:28 <wrtlprnft> where's your speed in there?
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> r is the distance between two bodies, G is the gravitational constant, m1 and m2 are masses of the two bodies, and F is the force of attraction
18:29 * spidey just got attacked by 2 more wasps :/
18:29 <wrtlprnft> no speed
18:29 <Vanhayes> #wtf WASP
18:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: WASP: nothing appropriate
18:29 <spidey> it's something that stings you
18:29 <ghableska> o_O
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> right, but the force of attraction is going to effect your body that's moving in a gravitational field
18:30 <wrtlprnft> that's cancelled by an external foce
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> which is going to apply a force vector on you that will point towards the center of the earth
18:30 <wrtlprnft> *force
18:30 <wrtlprnft> so your net force is 0, that
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> what external force?
18:30 <Vanhayes> #google WASP
18:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.28 seconds: Web Standards Project: <http://www.webstandards.org/>; Buzz Archives - The Web Standards Project: <http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/>; WASP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP>; Wasp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp>; WASP WWII Home Page: <http://www.wasp-wwii.org/>; WASP on the (1 more message)
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> 1) a body without a net force acting on it will not change its velocity
18:30 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:31 <madmax|pt> "...acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant"
18:31 <wrtlprnft> so, for a plane the external force is the uplift by the wings
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> everything at constant velocity at the same spot will experience the same g-force
18:31 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:31 <wrtlprnft> that's what you just said
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> if you move constantly on earth with a speed of 100,000,000m/s you will still experience 9.81N/kg of g-force
18:31 <wrtlprnft> 18:28 <Lucifer_arma> F = G * m1m1/r^2
18:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:32 <wrtlprnft> so, what's wrong with that?
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> you're also saying direction doesn't matter, I didn't find that one though
18:32 <wrtlprnft> yes i do
18:33 <wrtlprnft> gravitational force != net force
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, gravitational force is one of the forces acting against you
18:33 <wrtlprnft> and that doesn't change with your speed
18:33 <wrtlprnft> s/speed/velocity
18:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:31 <wrtlprnft> 18:28 <Lucifer_arma> F = G * m1m1/r^2
18:34 <wrtlprnft> doesn't have any speed in it
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, it changes with your distance, and it's effect is different depending on your direction
18:34 <wrtlprnft> right, but we're watching one spot
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> right, we're looking at "instantaneous velocity", which is the derivative of the distance function :)
18:35 <wrtlprnft> the velocity is constant, the displacement of earth and the object isn't
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> in order for velocity to be constant, it must be the same in all of its domain, and you're only looking at one point
18:36 <wrtlprnft> but we're looking at the point in time where it is the same for the elevator, the plane, and your superfast spaceship
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> and what I'm saying is that the force of gravity is going to cause the speed component of your velocity to change depending on your direction
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> and you're tossing on there "there's some mysterious extra force acting on it to cancel out gravity"
18:37 <wrtlprnft> it's not mysterious
18:38 <wrtlprnft> it's a rope or some kind of hydraulics for an elevator
18:38 <wrtlprnft> engines for a rocket that goes upwards
18:38 <wrtlprnft> he lift of the wings of an airplace
18:38 <wrtlprnft> *airplane
18:38 <wrtlprnft> the air resistance of a parachute
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, originally we weren't talking about specific bodies, just "a body in a gravitational field"
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18:39 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:39 <wrtlprnft> a body in a gravitational field that moves at constant velocity
18:39 <wrtlprnft> that REQUIRES an additional force acting on it
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> and experiences g-force
18:39 <wrtlprnft> whatever it is
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so explain what you mean by g-force, then
18:39 <wrtlprnft> g- force is the force due to gravity
18:40 * Vanhayes_ hits Vanhayes
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so there's an extra force that cancels out the effects of gravity?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> for the body to have to be at a constant velocity it has to be cancelled by another force
18:40 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force
18:40 <spidey> Vanhayes_, is Vanhayes a registered nick?
18:40 <Vanhayes_> yes
18:40 <spidey> do /msg nickserv ghost nickname password
18:41 <spidey> it'll kill the nocl
18:41 <Vanhayes_> meh
18:41 <spidey> nick*
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> right, if you mean g-force to be the gravitational field itself, then besides the fact that your distance from the body matters in the computation (except for very small differences in distance), I'm not seeing what you're trying to say anymore
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> if I ever did
18:41 <Vanhayes_> ill wait and see how long it takes to time out
18:41 <wrtlprnft> 2 minutes
18:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i am trying to say that a high speed doesn't mean a high g-force
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack
18:42 <wrtlprnft> 17:56 <spidey> no way someone could withstand the gforce from that speed
18:42 <ghableska> it's the acceleration that matters, right?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: that's what I said, he said no
18:42 <ghableska> o_O
18:42 <wrtlprnft> #last --with acceleration --from Lucifer_arma --nolimit
18:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:00:45] <Lucifer_arma> velocity has to change to experience gforce due to acceleration, so you don't get that,
18:43 <wrtlprnft> that's true
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 17:59 <Lucifer_arma> you sure you wouldn't experience free fall?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 17:59 <wrtlprnft> hmm?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 18:00 <wrtlprnft> if you move at a constant velocity?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 18:00 <Lucifer_arma> right
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 18:00 <Lucifer_arma> velocity has to change to experience gforce due to acceleration, so you don't get that,
18:44 <wrtlprnft> if you move at constant velovity you will not experience free fall
18:44 <spidey> It has been estimated that an ant's brain may have the same processing power as a machintosh II computer.
18:44 <spidey> O_o
18:45 <Vanhayes_> that is a lie
18:45 <spidey> Ant brains are the largest amongst insects. mushroom shaped brain appendages have function similar to the gray matter of human brains.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> what about a spider's brain? the same power as an abakus?
18:46 <spidey> dunno what that is
18:46 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia abakus
18:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.35 seconds: List of popular psychedelic trance albums and compilations ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_psychedelic_trance_albums_and_compilations>
18:46 <wrtlprnft> wtf
18:46 <Lucifer_arma> so velocity doesn't have to change to experience gforce?
18:46 <Vanhayes_> lol
18:46 <ghableska> abacus
18:46 * Lucifer_arma notes that Force is Mass * Acceleration
18:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, it has to change to experience gforce, that's what I was trying to say
18:47 <spidey> ok wrtl
18:47 <spidey> what acceleration speed causes 2 gs ?
18:47 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> if you move constantly on earth with a speed of 100,000,000m/s you will still experience 9.81N/kg of g-force
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #g acceleration of gravity * 2
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth * 2
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> #g 9.8*2
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth * 2 = 19.6133 m / s^(2)
18:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 9.8 * 2 = 19.6
18:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus
18:48 <wrtlprnft> extra simple :P
18:48 <Vanhayes_> did u say it would take only 2 min for Vanhayes to time out wrtlprnft?
18:48 <spidey> well
18:48 <spidey> In contrast, human pilots not wearing anti-G suits can black out at as low as 3 Gs, and prolonged exposure at higher Gs can be life threatening
18:49 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes_: yes, but i might have been wrong
18:49 <spidey> so you'd have to accel at 2gs untill you get light speed
18:49 <spidey> or else you blackout or die
18:49 <Vanhayes_> heh ya that was almost 10 mins ago
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> *can* black out at as low as 3 Gs, but the record number of gs experienced by a human is somewhere around 40
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> get in a car accident and you'll usually experience more than 3 gs at some point
18:49 <spidey> was he wearing "anti-g suits" ?
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of
18:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: right, but that's not due to your speed
18:50 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034181096.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
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18:50 <Lucifer_arma> #google rocket sled
18:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.39 seconds: Rocket sled - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled>; Extended High-Speed Rocket Sled Track Opens for Business : Edwards ...: <http://www.edwards.af.mil/moments/docs_html/59-05-13.html>; High Speed and Sudden Stops : Edwards Air Force Base: <http://www.edwards.af.mil/moments/docs_html/47-12-10.html>; Sandia (2 more messages)
18:50 <Vanhayes> there
18:50 <wrtlprnft> and you won't ever reach the speed of light anyways
18:50 <ghableska> Everyday g-forces
18:50 <ghableska>
18:50 <ghableska> * 10.4 g when plopping down into a chair.
18:50 <ghableska> * 8.1 g when hopping off a step.
18:50 <ghableska> * 3.5 g during a cough.
18:50 <ghableska> * 2.9 g during a sneeze.
18:50 <ghableska> o_O
18:50 * wrtlprnft sneezes and blacks out
18:50 * Lucifer_arma puts on an anti-g suit and sneezes
18:50 <ghableska> lol
18:51 <ghableska> well, the duration must be what matters the most
18:51 <wrtlprnft> yep
18:51 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Purley
18:51 * wrtlprnft plopps down a chair for 5 minutes
18:51 <ghableska> :O
18:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:52 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth * 5 minutes * 10.4 m/s^2
18:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth * (5 minutes) * (10.4 (m / (s^2))) = 30,596.748 m^(2) / s^(3)
18:53 <wrtlprnft> err
18:53 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth * 5 minutes * 10.4
18:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth * 5 minutes * 10.4 = 30,596.748 m / s
18:53 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth * 5 minutes * 10.4 in km/h
18:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth * 5 minutes * 10.4 = 110,148.293 km/h
18:53 <wrtlprnft> wow, after plopping down a chair for five minutes I'd have a speed of 110,148.293 km/h
18:54 <ghableska> poor wrtlprnft
18:55 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of light / gravity on earth / 10.4 in minutes
18:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (the speed of light / gravity on earth) / 10.4 = 48,990.9022 minutes
18:55 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of light / gravity on earth / 10.4 in days
18:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (the speed of light / gravity on earth) / 10.4 = 34.0214599 days
18:55 <ghableska> btw Vanhayes, this was the thing that SimCosmos was talking about http://www.orbitersim.com
18:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm, after plopping down in a ghair for 34.0214599 days I'd reach the speed of light
18:55 <wrtlprnft> *chair
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, you're right
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> 9.8 N/kg = 9.8m/s^s
18:57 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:57 <wrtlprnft> err, no
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> all you had to do was point out you were dividing out the mass from the N, which is what I didn't notice :)
18:57 <wrtlprnft> s^s doesn't make too much sense
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> sure it does, it's the rate of change of speed
18:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's acceleration....
18:57 <wrtlprnft> s^2 is
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, no?
18:58 <wrtlprnft> i mean m/s^2, of course
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18:58 <wrtlprnft> m/s^2 is nonsense ;)
18:58 <wrtlprnft> err
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> I said m/s^2
18:58 <wrtlprnft> scratch that
18:58 <wrtlprnft> m/s^s is nonsense ;)
18:58 <wrtlprnft> 18:57 <Lucifer_arma> 9.8 N/kg = 9.8m/s^s
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> I see we have no forgiveness of typos
18:58 <wrtlprnft> sorry for nitpicking
18:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'll come back when the grammar nazi spirit has left you :P
18:59 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
18:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:59 * wrtlprnft goes off to annoy the people on fortress
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19:01 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddels
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.41 seconds)
19:01 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddles
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.32 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://tigersnetwork.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
19:02 <Vanhayes> lol Spidey: "i don't like lucifer either"
19:03 <Vanhayes> #seen [nrx]
19:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have not seen [nrx].
19:04 <ghableska> Vanhayes, join bf ;)
19:04 <Vanhayes> lol ok
19:04 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (9 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (8 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || Spiral's Den (5 players) || Bugfarm Sumo (4 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (4 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (3 players) || Priest (1 more message)
19:06 <spidey> Poor Lucifer_arma, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 26 times.
19:06 <spidey> For example, like this:
19:06 <spidey> * Lucifer_arma smacks Lucifer_arma
19:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 19 times.
19:06 <spidey> lol
19:06 <Vanhayes> omg there are 3 teams in BF but only 2 zones
19:18 <Vanhayes> HMM
19:18 <Vanhayes> #list
19:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
19:18 <Vanhayes> #help praise
19:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
19:19 <Vanhayes> #praise Vanhayes for being Vanhayes
19:19 * armabot falls down to his knees and praises Vanhayes for being Vanhayes
19:19 <Vanhayes> ahahahaha
19:20 <Vanhayes> #praise spidey for being a spider
19:20 * armabot falls down to his knees and praises spidey for being a spider
19:21 <wrtlprnft> #insult spidey for not praising wrtlprnft
19:21 <armabot> spidey for not praising wrtlprnft - You are nothing but an unintelligent mass of clouted gunk.
19:21 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:21 <wrtlprnft> err
19:21 <wrtlprnft> #insult Vanhayes for not praising wrtlprnft
19:21 <armabot> Vanhayes for not praising wrtlprnft - You are nothing but a folly-fallen pile of left-over Stimpy-drool.
19:22 <Vanhayes> #praise wrtlprnft dor having no vowels in his name
19:22 * armabot gives wrtlprnft dor having no vowels in his name a cookie
19:22 <Vanhayes> er *for
19:22 <Vanhayes> wtf
19:22 <wrtlprnft> armabot should learn some grammar
19:22 <Vanhayes> yes
19:23 <wrtlprnft> armabot should learn some grammar
19:23 <armabot> i agree
19:23 <wrtlprnft> armabot should find a boyfriend
19:23 <armabot> i agree
19:23 <Vanhayes> hmm
19:23 <wrtlprnft> armabot should stop saying, "i agree"
19:23 <armabot> i agree
19:24 <ghableska> armabot should
19:24 <armabot> i agree
19:24 <ghableska> :P
19:24 <wrtlprnft> #should
19:24 <armabot> i agree
19:25 * ghableska thinsk armabot deserves a poke
19:25 <ghableska> *thinks
19:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot should poke herself then
19:26 <armabot> i agree
19:26 <ghableska> #poke armabot
19:26 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
19:26 * ghableska thinks armabot should get a pointy stick
19:27 <wrtlprnft> #help poke
19:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (poke <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I don't have a pointy stick...".
19:27 <wrtlprnft> gah
19:27 <wrtlprnft> how boring
19:29 * ghableska has found a new favorite game
19:29 <wrtlprnft> don't tell me it's bzflag
19:30 <ghableska> no...
19:31 <wrtlprnft> good
19:31 <ghableska> http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html :D:D
19:39 <wrtlprnft> grr crashes in wine
19:40 <ghableska> :P
19:40 <ghableska> I was playing it while you and LuciEatsPeople were debating :P
19:41 <wrtlprnft> :d
19:42 <ghableska> so WINE allows you to run windows apps using linux?
19:42 <wrtlprnft> some of them, yes
19:42 <wrtlprnft> acutally orbiter runs pretty well until after the splash screen
19:43 <ghableska> Heh.
19:43 <wrtlprnft> but you can run arma on wine and internet explorer
19:43 <ghableska> http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7522
19:48 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: technically, WINE runs any Win32 app =p
19:48 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: the problem comes when an app isn't completely Win32
19:48 <luke-jr__> eg, DirectX
19:50 <wrtlprnft> no way i'm gonna subscribe to cedega
19:50 <luke-jr__> I didn't suggest it
19:50 <luke-jr__> if you really want it, dig out the winex-cvs ebuild
19:50 <wrtlprnft> the forum post ghableska referred to did
19:50 <luke-jr__> armabot should be replaced with a male bot
19:51 <armabot> i agree
19:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: the ebuild doesn't work
19:52 <wrtlprnft> that means i have to download the cvs code manually :(
19:59 <wrtlprnft> forget it, won't compile
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20:47 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:47 <madmax|pt> going to bed
20:48 <Vanhayes> night madmax|pt
20:48 <madmax|pt> cya
20:48 <Vanhayes> cya
20:53 <wrtlprnft> night
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21:13 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
21:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5524 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Added a new gauge for acceleration/deceleration to the bottom
21:13 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5525 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cGauges.cpp: Fixed bug in inversed bar gauges: the foreground and background weren't inverted
21:14 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:15 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
21:15 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
21:15 <Vanhayes> np
21:15 <ghableska> are the teams normal now?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, that's unrelated
21:15 <ghableska> ?
21:16 <Vanhayes> they are
21:16 <ghableska> ok
21:16 <ghableska> unrelated to what?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> to the changes i just commited
21:16 <ghableska> ah
21:16 <ghableska> what's the acceleration/deceleration gauge do?
21:17 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Mutiny Clan Server (9 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (7 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (6 players) || Z-Man's Ladle Fortress (5 players) || Norm's Place (3 players) || [armagetronad.de] no.1 (2 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players) || Spiral's Den (2 players) || Tigers Network Classic (1 more message)
21:17 <wrtlprnft> I'll leave it to z-man, he has the recording :P
21:17 <ghableska> :P
21:17 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: shows the current acceleration/deceleration of the cycle?
21:17 <ghableska> ok
21:17 <ghableska> with g-forces? :P
21:17 <wrtlprnft> I'll have to see if it's of any use after z-man merges it to the trunk
21:17 <wrtlprnft> no
21:19 * ghableska has to study for a test :(
21:19 <wrtlprnft> it basically shows you how well you grinded
21:19 <wrtlprnft> good luck
21:19 <Vanhayes> test on what?
21:19 <ghableska> driving theory
21:19 * wrtlprnft just got his report card
21:19 <ghableska> all A's?
21:19 <Vanhayes> driving theory?
21:19 <ghableska> er, how does the grading system work?
21:19 <ghableska> yes, for driver
21:19 <ghableska> *driver's ed
21:20 <wrtlprnft> uh, dunno how exactly the letters work, they aren't on the card
21:20 <wrtlprnft> all except english, i hate that teacher
21:20 <ghableska> well, all good grades?
21:20 <ghableska> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> english = 75%
21:20 <ghableska> :O
21:20 <wrtlprnft> the rest >= 88%
21:20 <ghableska> good job :)
21:20 <ghableska> what grade are you in?
21:21 <wrtlprnft> physics 100%, math 95%, graphics 94%, history 88%
21:21 <wrtlprnft> 11, but math was a grade 12 course
21:21 <ghableska> hmm, two grades ahead of me
21:21 <ghableska> :(
21:22 * Vanhayes should of graduated this year
21:22 <ghableska> should have?
21:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, you're ahead in driver's ed
21:22 <wrtlprnft> i'm nowhere near it :D
21:22 <ghableska> heh
21:22 <ghableska> the driving laws must be different there
21:22 <wrtlprnft> in germany the min age for driving is 18
21:23 <Vanhayes> min age in alberta tho is 14
21:23 <Vanhayes> I think
21:23 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, for a full permit
21:23 <ghableska> because here, you can get a learner's permit at 14
21:23 <Vanhayes> er are u in alberta or BC?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> me?
21:23 <Vanhayes> ayes
21:23 <Vanhayes> er
21:24 <Vanhayes> yes
21:24 <ghableska> o_O
21:24 <ghableska> you :P
21:24 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: a bit more to the east :P
21:24 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:24 <Vanhayes> ontario?
21:24 <wrtlprnft> more west
21:24 <Vanhayes> manatoba
21:24 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:24 <Vanhayes> heh
21:25 * ghableska is surrounded by Canadians :P
21:25 <Vanhayes> always thought u lived on the west coast because of your ping
21:25 <Vanhayes> lol
21:25 <wrtlprnft> that's just because my connection sucks
21:25 <Vanhayes> anyway i have had my license since january so i beat u both there
21:26 <ghableska> well, you're like 17 or something...
21:26 <Vanhayes> true
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i hate 16 as a driving age
21:26 <ghableska> it's 14 here. :P
21:26 <Vanhayes> and should be out of High school...
21:26 * ghableska feels young now :(
21:26 <wrtlprnft> the only people that use the bus are either old people, very poor people, small stupid kids or treehuggers
21:26 <LuciEatsPeople> there's no such thing as deceleration
21:27 <Vanhayes> ....
21:27 <ghableska> rate of braking?
21:27 <Vanhayes> care to explain?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> sure there is
21:27 <Vanhayes> er nevermind
21:27 <LuciEatsPeople> there is only acceleration
21:27 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia Deceleration
21:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.53 seconds: Acceleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerate>; Tidal acceleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration>; VOID (DVD) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOID_(DVD)>; John Stapp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
21:27 <Vanhayes> I thought u said there's no such thing as Declaration
21:27 <wrtlprnft> To accelerate an object is to change its velocity (or direction - like in case of uniform circular motion) in relation to time. In this strict mathematical sense, acceleration can have positive and negative values ? respectively called acceleration (increasing velocity) and deceleration (or retardation ? decreasing velocity) in common speech ? as well as change of direction.
21:28 <LuciEatsPeople> I didn't say anything about Declaration :)
21:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:28 * ghableska hands Vanhayes a pair of reading glasses
21:28 <LuciEatsPeople> #google fight Acceleration Deceleration
21:28 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: Acceleration: 93500000, Deceleration: 4690000
21:28 * Vanhayes refuses them saying he sees fine
21:29 <LuciEatsPeople> pwnt
21:29 * Vanhayes then bumbs into the wall on his way out
21:29 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
21:29 <ghableska> #google fight Acceleration Declaration
21:29 <armabot> ghableska: Declaration: 218000000, Acceleration: 93500000
21:29 <wrtlprnft> that's because a negative deceleration is rather unusual
21:29 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes ghableska
21:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska: 504, Vanhayes: 290
21:29 <wrtlprnft> whereas it is usual to have a negative deceleration
21:29 <ghableska> :P
21:30 <Vanhayes> wow I used to have like 600
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #google fight wrtlprnft ghableska
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #google fight wrtlprnft Vanhayes
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9110, ghableska: 504
21:30 <ghableska> wow
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9420, Vanhayes: 290
21:30 * Lucifer_arma likes negative declaration
21:30 <wrtlprnft> beat that
21:30 <Vanhayes> #google fight vanhayes ghableska
21:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska: 504, vanhayes: 290
21:30 <ghableska> ?
21:30 <Vanhayes> bah
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer "everyone"
21:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: everyone: 1130000000, Lucifer: 11000000
21:30 <ghableska> lol
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> pwnt
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #google fight wrtlprnft Vanhayes
21:30 <Vanhayes> ha
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #google fight wrtlprnft Vanhayes
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #google fight wrtlprnft ghableska
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9420, Vanhayes: 290
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9110, Vanhayes: 290
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer wrtlprnft
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9110, ghableska: 504
21:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf, why are there different values?
21:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 11000000, wrtlprnft: 9110
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, google's weird
21:30 <Vanhayes> um yours went down
21:30 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft is unique to me, Lucifer isn't
21:31 <ghableska> ghableska's unique :P
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> not true, everyone just talks about me a lot
21:31 <Vanhayes> Vanhayes is pretty unique
21:31 * Lucifer_arma thinks being a Prince of Darkness is an underappreciated job
21:31 <wrtlprnft> any site that mentions wrtlprnft is somewhat related to me
21:31 <ghableska> ditto
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Vanhayes Vanhomosexuals
21:31 <Vanhayes> almost true for me
21:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Vanhayes: 290, Vanhomosexuals: 0
21:31 <ghableska> gaga
21:31 * wrtlprnft notes that there's at least 3 Lucifers in arma
21:31 <Vanhayes> pwny
21:31 <ghableska> *haha
21:31 <Vanhayes> pwnt
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's one Lucifer and two fakes
21:32 <Vanhayes> lol
21:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, who knows, maybe i'm talking to a fake?
21:32 <Vanhayes> I thinknthere is a german guy using the name Vanhayes too
21:32 * Lucifer_arma quietly admits he was surprised there weren't any Lucifers when he started playing
21:32 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:32 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Vanhayes
21:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes
21:32 <Vanhayes> heh
21:32 <ghableska> #google lucky ghableska
21:32 <armabot> ghableska: http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=profile&u=842
21:32 <Vanhayes> #google lucky Lucifer
21:32 <ghableska> hmpf
21:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
21:33 <Vanhayes> ha that isnt yours
21:33 <Vanhayes> #google lucky wrtlprnft
21:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/wrtlprnft
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> that page is about me
21:33 * Lucifer_arma is going to the store, bbiab
21:33 <Vanhayes> #wtf bbiab
21:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: BBIAB: be back in a bit
21:33 <Vanhayes> thought so
21:33 <ghableska> ok, all ghableska's are me :D
21:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm, CIA must have a pretty high pagerank
21:34 * wrtlprnft won't bother to check all wrtlprnfts
21:34 * Vanhayes only checked 5
21:34 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I'm guessing the pages in German are yours?
21:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:35 <wrtlprnft> though the top ones are english
21:35 <ghableska> yeah
21:35 <ghableska> how did you even come up with that name?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> sitting in front of some username field as an internet noob and not being able to come up with anything better?
21:36 <ghableska> heh
21:36 <wrtlprnft> heh, and it's a nick that's guaranteed to be free
21:36 <ghableska> ;)
21:37 * ghableska pokes Vanhayes and wrtlprnft
21:38 <wrtlprnft> o_O my fortune script is on there
21:38 <Vanhayes> Thats what I did with Vanhayes, and no one ever did have it untill the armagetron forums
21:38 <ghableska> hmm
21:38 <Vanhayes> I had to use Van-Hayes
21:38 <ghableska> whatever happened to Pimp? :P
21:39 <Vanhayes> im sure he is lurking somewhere
21:39 <ghableska> waiting for revenge :P
21:39 <wrtlprnft> I'm pretty certain the original pimp is gone
21:39 <Vanhayes> probly
21:39 <wrtlprnft> trolls usually disappear once they get bored
21:39 <ghableska> it's been pretty uneventful lately, actually...
21:39 <Vanhayes> now there is just a bunch of min pimp wannabees
21:39 <ghableska> lol
21:39 <Vanhayes> mini*
21:40 <wrtlprnft> and the bugs he exploited are gone anyways
21:40 <wrtlprnft> no more spaces in names
21:40 <ghableska> thanks to him?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> no more duplicate names
21:40 <wrtlprnft> no more renaming after polling or getting polled
21:40 <wrtlprnft> no more polling shortly after entering
21:40 <ghableska> yup
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yes, thanks to him
21:41 <wrtlprnft> no more renaming oneself to Vanhayes
21:41 <ghableska> is that still active?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> probably
21:41 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: try it :P
21:42 <ghableska> nah ;)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> i might shortly before i leave
21:42 <ghableska> lol
21:42 <ghableska> so when are you leaving?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> in 36 hours
21:43 <ghableska> long flight :P
21:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:43 <wrtlprnft> with waiting and timezones more than 24 hours
21:43 <ghableska> heh
21:43 <ghableska> what airline?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> air canada and lufthansa
21:44 * ghableska hasn't gone on a plane for a long time
21:44 * wrtlprnft hopes he's gonna get to fly business class for free again
21:44 <ghableska> how?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> i got to on my way here, for the transatlantic flight
21:45 <ghableska> cool
21:45 <wrtlprnft> the flight was overbooked and i was late, so they had to put me in business class
21:45 <ghableska> I've had that happen once
21:45 <wrtlprnft> hint for everyone: get your plane last minute
21:45 <ghableska> :P
21:46 <wrtlprnft> nice meal they had, and nice seats
21:46 <wrtlprnft> hot wet towels before every meal
21:46 * ghableska loves those
21:46 <wrtlprnft> lots of videos to choose from
21:47 <ghableska> even better :)
21:47 * wrtlprnft still has the menu
21:47 <wrtlprnft> second
21:47 <ghableska> o_O
21:49 <wrtlprnft> gah, no clue where it went. I'll probably find it while packing
21:49 <wrtlprnft> which is something i should do right now
21:55 <ghableska> have fun :)
22:05 * spidey pokes ghableska
22:07 * ghableska gets poked
22:11 * ghableska is lonely
22:16 <spidey> lol
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22:53 <Vanhayes> good night
22:53 <Vanhayes> #night
22:53 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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23:14 <wrtlprnft> phew, done packing for now
23:16 <mkzelda> thats enough fudge
23:20 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> grr, just discovered there's still a pair of winter boots standing in the corner... how am i gonna fit those in there?
23:40 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:40 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-06-29:
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03:21 <Lizz> hi guys.. if anyones awake that is
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04:52 <madmax|pt> im awake now
04:52 <madmax|pt> hi Lizz
04:52 <madmax|pt> :D
05:14 <madmax|pt> http://haha.nu/creative/the-future-of-desktop/
05:20 <luke-jr__> haha
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05:31 <Lizz> hiya max and luke
05:33 <Luke-Jr> hi
05:39 <Lizz> how ya been luke?
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05:49 <Luke-Jr> ok
05:49 <Luke-Jr> ish
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06:33 * spidey pokes MaZuffeR
06:35 <MaZuffeR> http://www.greetings.fi/ - come to Finland ;)
06:35 <spidey> LOL
06:37 <MaZuffeR> this is my favourite: http://www.greetings.fi/pages/greetjngsj091.htm
06:38 <spidey> hhehehe
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5526 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Name filters are only applied to remote players, AIs and "Admins" on hybrid servers should be allowed any name.
07:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Team change commands to teams that still exist, but have no more players, are ignored.
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07:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5527 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gStuff.h: Random reformatting by astyle: removed one extra space at end of line.
07:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5528 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed balancing: when a team is to be removed, the smallest team is broken up and the players are distributed evenly across the other teams, always putting each player into the smallest team left.
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07:43 <Joni> Hi guys
07:44 <ghableska> hi Joni
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi Joni
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi everyone else too :P
07:45 <ghableska> heh
07:45 <ghableska> :P
07:45 <Joni> Hi
07:45 <Joni> lol
07:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
07:47 <armabot> +
07:48 <ghableska> pretty :)
07:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
07:48 * [Xpert]DarkStar is a patriot
07:48 <ghableska> ;)
07:48 <Joni> For some reason the master servers will not answer
07:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> let me check
07:49 <Joni> there is something wrong but i do not know what.
07:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just got the list from master 1
07:49 <Joni> I know
07:49 <Joni> I have only just installed it on my laptop
07:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> operating system?
07:50 <Joni> Windows
07:50 <Luke-Jr> that's the problem!
07:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> might be a broken windows version then (hapens often)
07:50 <Luke-Jr> we don't support Windows anymore
07:50 <Luke-Jr> =p
07:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> really?
07:50 <Luke-Jr> no
07:50 <Luke-Jr> not really
07:50 <Luke-Jr> I wish
07:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aww :(
07:51 <Joni> What you mean you dont support windows.
07:51 <Luke-Jr> Joni: I mean you need to use some other OS :)
07:51 <Joni> How come windows isn't supported anymore?
07:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> he was just kidding (sadly)
07:52 <Joni> Are you?
07:52 <Joni> lol
07:52 <Joni> You best be.
07:52 <Joni> lol
07:52 <Luke-Jr> because Windows sucks
07:52 <Luke-Jr> and we don't support viruses
07:53 <Joni> It still works because i can still use it on my computer
07:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
07:53 <Joni> its just my laptop
07:53 <Luke-Jr> a shame
07:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Joni: Luke-Jr is making jokes all the time
07:53 <Joni> i downloaded it about an hour ago
07:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wishthinking
07:53 <ghableska> :P
07:53 <Luke-Jr> Joni: try 0.3
07:53 <Joni> Ok.
07:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> playing some in classic play
07:55 <Joni> its 2.8 which i have at the moment
07:55 <Luke-Jr> there is no 2.8
07:55 <Luke-Jr> probably won't be for a few years at least
07:55 <Joni> 0.2.8
07:55 <Joni> you know what i meant
07:57 <wrtlprnft> don't take Luke-Jr too seriously Joni ;)
07:58 <Joni> It depends
07:58 <Joni> lol
07:58 <Joni> It is still doing the same thing with 0.3
07:59 <Luke-Jr> that means you have a broken OS
07:59 <Joni> What do you mean?
07:59 <Luke-Jr> you need to install Kubuntu
08:00 <wrtlprnft> ...
08:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:00 <Joni> Kubuntu?
08:00 <wrtlprnft> Joni: what's your exact problem?
08:00 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia kubuntu
08:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.19 seconds: Kubuntu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu>; Kubuntu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUbuntu>; Template:User OS: Kubuntu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_OS:Kubuntu>; Image: Kubuntu -dapper.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
08:00 <Joni> How so i private message?
08:00 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
08:00 <wrtlprnft> /msg nick message
08:01 <Luke-Jr> /msg nickserv register foobar
08:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:02 <madmax|pt> o_O
08:02 <wrtlprnft> Joni: what if you try to custom connect to some server
08:02 <Luke-Jr> can't PM w/o registering
08:02 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure he can
08:02 <wrtlprnft> he can PM me
08:02 <Luke-Jr> not on FreeNode
08:02 <wrtlprnft> yes he can
08:02 <Joni> Someone has registed name
08:02 <Luke-Jr> RTFM
08:02 <Joni> it might have been me
08:02 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:02 <Joni> but i forgot pass
08:02 <ghableska> hold on, how do I check if I've registered?
08:03 <Joni> it was ages ago
08:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: RTFM yourself
08:03 <ghableska> :P
08:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: besides, i just got a PM from Joni
08:03 <wrtlprnft> 08:01 -!- Irssi: Starting query in FreeNode with Joni
08:03 <wrtlprnft> 08:01 <Joni> When i go on to armagetron the master server doesnt respond
08:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: cuz he's registered
08:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fromunreg
08:04 <wrtlprnft> Joni is NOT logged in
08:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: that link above, i did do that and didn't yet get any spam
08:08 <Joni> Can you check who registed Joni please
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: Joni
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 2 years 47 weeks 5 days (2h 13m 54s) ago
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 1 year 43 weeks 1 day (14h 54m 27s) ago
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen Address: ~milton@baana-81-175-155-1.dsl.phnet.fi
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen Quit Msg: "r�hm�h"
08:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 15:21:02 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname Options: Secure, AllowMemos, MemoNotify, MemoSignon
08:21 <ghableska> o_O
08:22 <wrtlprnft> i'd say contact a staffer to delete the account
08:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
08:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> almost 2 years not been used
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08:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
08:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cgi irc
08:26 <wrtlprnft> that's joda's webchat
08:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh?
08:26 <wrtlprnft> yes
08:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> k
08:27 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetron.nixta.net/cgi-bin/
08:27 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=67931#67931 <-- :P
08:27 <ghableska> lol nice
08:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
08:28 <ghableska> very...orange
08:28 <wrtlprnft> :D
08:28 <wrtlprnft> found the cursor yet?
08:28 <ghableska> o_O
08:28 <ghableska> it's the easiest thing to stop :P
08:28 <ghableska> *spot
08:29 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:29 <wrtlprnft> *hehe
08:29 <wrtlprnft> *huhu?
08:29 * ghableska is currently watching the light display :P
08:29 <ghableska> http://augen-krebs.de.vu/ :P
08:30 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:30 <wrtlprnft> i love that redirec
08:30 <wrtlprnft> t
08:30 * ghableska wobbles around
08:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that really deserves the name "augenkrebs"
08:30 <wrtlprnft> you know augenkrebs is eye cancer, right?
08:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> of course i know
08:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
08:31 <armabot> +
08:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
08:31 <wrtlprnft> i meant ghableska
08:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
08:31 <ghableska> yeah, you told me before ;)
08:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, that you're swiss could mean four different languages :D
08:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
08:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i speak 2 of them
08:32 <wrtlprnft> could have been the wrong 2, right?
08:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> >>
08:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
08:32 <wrtlprnft> <<
08:32 <wrtlprnft> <>
08:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> german and french
08:32 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:33 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: care to elaborate?
08:33 <ghableska> ^.^
08:33 <Luke-Jr> !!!
08:33 <wrtlprnft> #dotdotdot
08:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [08:33:41] <Luke-Jr> !!!, [08:33:18] <ghableska> ^.^, [08:33:02] <Luke-Jr> ..., [08:32:21] <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes, [08:31:33] <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch, [08:29:04] <ghableska> o_O, [08:28:19] <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh, [08:27:16] <wrtlprnft> yes, [08:26:46] <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh?, [08:25:20] <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol, [08:22:43] <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes, [08:21:49] <ghableska> o_O, [08:03:09] <Luke-Jr> (26 more messages)
08:33 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:33 <ghableska> o_O
08:34 <wrtlprnft> '.'
08:34 <wrtlprnft> O_o
08:34 <ghableska> O.0
08:34 <ghableska> o.0
08:34 <wrtlprnft> o.o
08:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmmmm
08:34 <wrtlprnft> #g 3^2*2
08:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3^2) * 2 = 18
08:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> new version of skype released... how long would i have to wait til there's an ebuild in portage?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> 18 different ways for o_O
08:35 <ghableska> lol
08:35 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: 2 months?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> forever?
08:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... had to wait a year for new skype...
08:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i guess it takes another year
08:35 <wrtlprnft> i wonder how long it'll take for flash 9
08:36 <Luke-Jr> Skype sucks
08:37 <ghableska> why?
08:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> has there ever been a newer flash version than 7.0.63 for linux?
08:37 <Luke-Jr> as does Flash
08:37 <wrtlprnft> i though they just brought out flash 9...
08:37 <Luke-Jr> immoral software
08:37 <wrtlprnft> they skipped flash 8 for unix
08:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
08:40 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5529 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: some defaults? ;)
08:40 <Luke-Jr> ...
08:40 <wrtlprnft> i love those update messages
08:40 <wrtlprnft> tell me exactly nothing since Luke-Jr can't make usuable log entries
08:40 <Luke-Jr> sure I can
08:41 <wrtlprnft> well, but you don't
08:41 <Luke-Jr> =p
08:42 <wrtlprnft> not funny.
08:42 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
08:42 <wrtlprnft> that's version 9, obviously
08:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
08:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun really need that
08:43 <wrtlprnft> err
08:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have gnash
08:43 <wrtlprnft> never mind
08:43 <wrtlprnft> no, no version nine yet :(
08:43 * wrtlprnft hates if he clicks a link that says version 9 and then ends up getting version 7
08:44 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:44 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5531 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: it's HTTP_USER_AGENT not USER_AGENT!
08:45 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/
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08:46 <Joni> Right, im back
08:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
08:46 <Joni> thanks.
08:47 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/aabeta.png <-- it shouldn't offer me a windows version, i'm on linux!
08:47 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:47 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5532 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: handle _32 on x86 at least
08:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: faking OS?
08:48 <Luke-Jr> oh, nope
08:48 <Luke-Jr> you're just using a buggy browser
08:49 <wrtlprnft> i am? it works fine :D
08:49 * wrtlprnft loves playing stupid
08:51 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5533 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/ (releases.php releases_filter.php): match Linux for Ubuntu maybe
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08:52 <wrtlprnft> err
08:54 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:54 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5534 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: experiment
08:55 <Luke-Jr> .
08:55 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5535 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: ?: syntax
08:55 <wrtlprnft> care to elaborate on the nature of your experiment?
08:55 <wrtlprnft> or maybe prove to me that you can make useful log entries?
08:57 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:57 <Luke-Jr> ok :)
08:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5536 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: all ubuntus!
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08:57 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:58 -!- Brooky is now known as Joni
08:59 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5537 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Debian is Linux too
09:00 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5538 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: as is Gentoo
09:02 <Joni> It was my computer firewall that was blocking it
09:03 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5539 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/ (releases.php releases_filter.php): undo all that, it was about to get ugly
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09:05 <Age> hiho
09:05 <ghableska> hi
09:05 <Age> hiho
09:09 <wrtlprnft> does 2000 even have a firewall?
09:10 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5540 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: Linux unification in the filter
09:10 <Luke-Jr> no?
09:12 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5541 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: check var
09:13 <wrtlprnft> ...
09:13 * wrtlprnft wishes z-man was here to complain about useless log messages
09:14 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5542 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: check for Linux first
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09:18 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:18 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5543 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: Capi PPC?
09:18 <wrtlprnft> Capi PPC!
09:21 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:21 <Luke-Jr> :)
09:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5544 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: Always match sources
09:21 <wrtlprnft> whatever that means
09:21 <wrtlprnft> you could as well just type h bvfvvKJhg ksjhg ksjdfhgblkajdsh gk as log message
09:22 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:22 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5545 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: h bvfvvKJhg ksjhg ksjdfhgblkajdsh gk
09:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:23 <ghableska> :P
09:23 <wrtlprnft> omg
09:23 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
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09:25 <Luke-Jr> let's make 104 more commits
09:25 <Luke-Jr> and be on CIA's top!
09:25 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:25 <ghableska> o.0
09:26 * Luke-Jr writes a script to do fake commits
09:26 <Luke-Jr> =p j/k
09:26 * Luke-Jr is sure wrtlprnft would kill him for thayt
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: if you kill Luke-Jr, then make a video of that
09:27 -!- Joni [n=5049dd57@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
09:27 <ghableska> wrtlprnft is violent :P
09:27 <Joni> Hi
09:27 <ghableska> wb
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi Joni
09:28 <wrtlprnft> i will
09:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
09:29 <Joni> lol
09:29 <Joni> what you lot on about?
09:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's about killing Luke-Jr
09:30 <Joni> oh
09:30 <ghableska> :P
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5543 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: Capi PPC?
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <wrtlprnft> Capi PPC!
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <Luke-Jr> :)
09:30 <Joni> thats not very nice is it
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <wrtlprnft> whatever that means
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <wrtlprnft> you could as well just type h bvfvvKJhg ksjhg ksjdfhgblkajdsh gk as log message
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5545 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php: h bvfvvKJhg ksjhg ksjdfhgblkajdsh gk
09:30 <Luke-Jr> <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just shouted at my mom :S
09:31 <Luke-Jr> omg
09:31 <Luke-Jr> you didn't...
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09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i did
09:31 <Luke-Jr> you yelled "STFU mom" at her?
09:31 <philippeqc> hi
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
09:31 <Luke-Jr> hi philippeqc
09:31 <ghableska> hi
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi philippeqc
09:31 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
09:31 <philippeqc> Hello
09:31 <Joni> hi
09:31 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?quote=665362
09:31 <wrtlprnft> hope it'll get accepted
09:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
09:32 <Luke-Jr> Quote #665362 is pending moderation.
09:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?22867
09:33 <philippeqc> luke, why did armanot insist to tell me that you could wrtie garbage in log messages?
09:33 <Joni> what is it?
09:33 <philippeqc> ... is pending moderation
09:33 <philippeqc> about the bash quote
09:33 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ?
09:33 <philippeqc> that
09:33 <philippeqc> you sent to to me in private
09:33 <Luke-Jr> ?
09:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/74827 <-- that's what it'll contain if it gets accepted
09:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?105643 a classic :D
09:34 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?244321 <-- that one's funny
09:36 <ghableska> hah
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> we pulled that one on cristi once
09:37 <philippeqc> o thats mean
09:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
09:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: it seems it was wrt's doing
09:38 <wrtlprnft> ?!?!
09:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?662153
09:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
09:38 <ghableska> o_O
09:39 <philippeqc> haha
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?662591
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09:40 <fcukfcuk> YOU ALL SUCK DICK
09:40 <fcukfcuk> er.
09:40 <ghableska> :P
09:40 <fcukfcuk> hi.
09:40 <wrtlprnft> common typo.
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> common typo
09:40 <ghableska> :P
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> keys are like next to each other
09:40 <fcukfcuk> the keys are like right next to each other.
09:40 <wrtlprnft> gah
09:41 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?5300
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09:41 <Joni> who was that?
09:41 <wrtlprnft> me
09:41 <wrtlprnft> quoting http://bash.org/?5300
09:41 <Joni> lol
09:42 <Joni> what do you guys use bash for?
09:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
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09:44 <Joni> is knoppix in english?
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should be settable at boot
09:44 <Joni> ok
09:44 <wrtlprnft> there's two downloads IIRC
09:45 <wrtlprnft> one defaults to english, one to german
09:45 <Joni> ok
09:45 <Joni> will you send me link please
09:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: like the new dl page?
09:45 <philippeqc> new dl page?
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?663074
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?663087 OMG LOL
09:51 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?21516 <-- mean...
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> old, but good
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?663126 n00bs
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -s
09:53 <wrtlprnft> lol
09:54 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?349567
09:54 <philippeqc> the fire one is great
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
09:55 <wrtlprnft> mean eh?
09:55 <philippeqc> just very bad timing
09:56 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: http://beta.armagetronad.net
09:57 <philippeqc> looks a lot like the old one. what am I missing here?
09:57 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?127039
09:57 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it preselects your OS
09:57 <wrtlprnft> at least in theory
09:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: hrhrhrhr
09:57 <philippeqc> oooo, taht is great
09:58 <wrtlprnft> i should really do that
09:59 <philippeqc> ROTFL
09:59 <philippeqc> thanks, I needed taht
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?664753
10:00 <wrtlprnft> that might actually be a way to reduce spam in your mailbox
10:00 <wrtlprnft> if you do it long enough compamies might figure that it costs double to send you spam
10:00 <philippeqc> i just read the turkey one. go figure
10:01 <wrtlprnft> #85514 <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
10:01 <wrtlprnft> :D
10:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, and when you get e-mail spam, acutally follow the link. Get to the ordering form, and start merrily to fill in information describing Bob, the voice in your head.
10:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?664845
10:02 <philippeqc> the cost associated with processing such request manually will far outweight the gain of using email as a distribution medium.
10:02 <Luke-Jr> multiplayer notepad is kinda fun, actually
10:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i meant reallife spam
10:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: if i did that to all my e-mail spam I'd have no life anymore
10:03 <philippeqc> yes, I know, but you can apply it the principals I presented to email spam, and kill 2 birds with one stone
10:05 <Joni> knoppix takes ages to download
10:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://bash.org/?5273 this could happen to me ><
10:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:06 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?8 <-- lowest quote in existence
10:10 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?262417 <-- hope there's no australian here...
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10:20 <philippeqc> strange, I'm getting port scanned
10:20 <philippeqc> by udp
10:20 <philippeqc> !
10:22 <philippeqc> do you recognyse the ip: 83.255.249.10
10:23 * wrtlprnft joins a portscanning party and scans philippeqc jk
10:23 <wrtlprnft> uh, second
10:24 <wrtlprnft> messages.2.gz messages.4.gz messages.6.gz
10:24 <wrtlprnft> root@laptop # gzcat /var/log/messages.* | grep 83.255.249.10 /home/mathias
10:24 <wrtlprnft> root@laptop 1 #
10:24 <wrtlprnft> no result
10:25 <philippeqc> the secondary dns of my isp is port scanning me on UDP????
10:25 <wrtlprnft> nothing on my server either
10:26 <wrtlprnft> which isn't surprising on my server, come to think of it, becasue the router that's in front of it doesn't forward logs
10:26 <wrtlprnft> unlike the one i have here, which does
10:26 <wrtlprnft> the only annoying things my server gets are (tried) ssh logins
10:28 <philippeqc> how in heck does it go through the router???? the only udp rule I have is 192.168.0.105 UDP 4534/4534
10:30 <philippeqc> confused!
10:33 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: maybe they're DNS replies?
10:33 <philippeqc> on udp port 33100+ ?
10:33 <Luke-Jr> on any port
10:33 <Luke-Jr> no requirement for the port on your end
10:34 <Luke-Jr> as long as the server's port is 53, your port can be whatever
10:36 <philippeqc> humm, maybe
10:37 <Joni> wrtlprnft: do you own one of the master servers?
10:37 <philippeqc> well, it stopped.
10:38 <Joni> is there any free irc programs for windows?
10:42 <philippeqc> mirc
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not free
10:43 <GodTodd> virc
10:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.silverex.org/news/
10:45 <wrtlprnft> Joni: no i don't own one
10:45 <wrtlprnft> Joni: opera :P
10:45 <Joni> ok, thanks
10:46 <Luke-Jr> Joni: X-Chat
10:47 <Joni> ok
10:47 <Joni> thanks
10:47 <Joni> lol
10:49 <Joni> isnt opera a browser?
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it is
10:52 <Joni> how do i set x chat up to work with this channel?
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10:54 <Brooky> Right ive got it working
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10:58 <Brooky> how do i register my account?
10:59 <GodTodd> /msg nickserv register <password>
10:59 <Brooky> thanks mate
10:59 <GodTodd> np
11:00 <Brooky> Done it
11:00 <Brooky> thanks alot
11:01 <Brooky> Does anyone else have xchat?
11:01 <wrtlprnft> not me
11:01 <Brooky> Ok
11:01 <wrtlprnft> and to prevent anyone else from using your account you have to type /quit <username> <password>
11:01 <Brooky> Ok
11:02 <Brooky> thanks for that too
11:02 <Brooky> the reason is i want it so when i open xchat it opens this channel and logs me in
11:03 <wrtlprnft> 109 quotes pending now... will they ever decide about mine?
11:04 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is ddc
11:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DDC: display data channel
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11:05 <Brooky> lol
11:06 <Brooky> #weather guernsey
11:06 <Brooky> hey
11:06 <Brooky> has the plugin been disabled?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> looks like it
11:07 <Brooky> lol
11:07 <Brooky> its sunny here anyway lol
11:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma echo #load Weather
11:08 <Brooky> what you doing
11:08 <Brooky> ?
11:08 <wrtlprnft> I'm treating Lucifer_arma like armabot
11:09 <wrtlprnft> if i say
11:09 <wrtlprnft> armabot echo blah
11:09 <armabot> blah
11:09 <wrtlprnft> then she answers
11:09 <wrtlprnft> so if i say
11:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma echo blah
11:09 <wrtlprnft> he should answer as well
11:09 <wrtlprnft> and if i say
11:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma echo #load Weather
11:09 <wrtlprnft> then Lucifer_arma should tell armabot to #load Weather
11:09 <wrtlprnft> :P
11:09 <wrtlprnft> too bad Lucifer_arma isn't a bot
11:10 <spidey> or is she?
11:10 <wrtlprnft> :D
11:11 <spidey> :p
11:11 <wrtlprnft> #s
11:11 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a tempestuous gob of beef-witted eel.
11:11 <wrtlprnft> #u
11:11 <armabot> spidey: 18:11:16 up 68 days, 18:15, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00
11:11 <wrtlprnft> close to 70 now
11:13 <wrtlprnft> http://bash.org/?664028
11:21 <spidey> lol
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11:28 <Brooky> armabot #load weather
11:28 <Brooky> #weather guernsey
11:28 <Luke-Jr> Brooky: I use X-Chat
11:29 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: Lucifer_arma needs to give that command
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #load Weather
11:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
11:31 <Brooky> whoami
11:31 <Brooky> lol
11:31 <Brooky> #whoami
11:31 <armabot> Brooky: I don't recognize you.
11:31 <Brooky> well you should recognise me mr!
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: mrs
11:33 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: say /msg armabot register username password and /msg armabot identify username password
11:33 <Brooky> Sorry!
11:33 <Brooky> i mean mrs
11:33 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: Lucifer_arma defined her as a she :D
11:33 <Luke-Jr> how do I make a wall from an angle?
11:33 * Luke-Jr :o
11:33 * Luke-Jr totally forgot how to apply trig =p
11:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:34 <wrtlprnft> y- coordinate: walllength*sin(thetha)
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11:34 <wrtlprnft> x- coordinate: walllength*cos(thetha)
11:34 <Luke-Jr> how do I get the different in x,y of a wall's points from the angle
11:34 <Luke-Jr> thetha being the angle?
11:34 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:35 <Luke-Jr> so simple =p
11:35 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/1c0d29
11:36 <wrtlprnft> people on Rupert don't remember trig either :D
11:36 <Luke-Jr> ?
11:36 <wrtlprnft> ever read mostly harmless?
11:38 <wrtlprnft> the guys from that spaceship that forgot its mission and settled on rupert to monitor earth needed help from tricia to do their trig :D
11:39 <Luke-Jr> o
11:39 <wrtlprnft> p
12:03 <Brooky> lol
12:03 <Brooky> What are you on about making maps with trig?
12:03 <Brooky> i don't understand
12:03 <Brooky> You lost me lol
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12:08 <[NP]Tangent> heh
12:08 <[NP]Tangent> I made two armagetron maps once
12:09 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer, what was the name of that server you ran that rotated maps?
12:09 <Lackadaisical> any wiki moderators around? i think the server page on the wiki needs to be reverted
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12:13 <philippeqc_> back
12:14 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/SandDollar-0.1.0-Death.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/SandDollar-0.1.1-Death.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/SandDollar-0.2.0-Death.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:16 <Luke-Jr> Brooky: ...
12:18 <Luke-Jr> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/map-preview/previews/Luke-Jr/SandDollar-0.2.0-Death.png
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12:26 <Lucifer_arma> The Crack Pipe, later Swamplords on Crack
12:28 <Brooky> lol
12:30 <Luke-Jr> ...
12:31 <Luke-Jr> was there something funny?
12:31 <Brooky> not really
12:31 <Brooky> I said it in wrong convo
12:31 <Brooky> sorr
12:31 <Brooky> sorry*
12:31 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: nice map
12:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: hope you don't mind me blocking that idiot for a bit
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> which idiot? what happened?
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that'd be an infinite ban if I banned him :)
12:34 * Lucifer_arma has a "take no shit" attitude about vandalism
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12:38 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: is there any reason left outstanding why we shouldn't release 0.3.0 right this minute? (besides it not actually being built)
12:49 <spidey> Luke-Jr, your server's not on my list
12:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: O.o
12:50 <spidey> i looked right after you came in CTWF
12:51 <Luke-Jr> O.o
12:51 <Luke-Jr> how can I reannounce it?
12:51 <spidey> to the master list?
12:51 <Luke-Jr> yea
12:51 <spidey> talk_to_master 0
12:52 <spidey> talk_to_master 1
12:52 <Luke-Jr> didn't do anything
12:52 <spidey> that should remove it from the master list then readd it
12:53 <Luke-Jr> it didn't
12:53 <spidey> .........
12:53 <spidey> oh
12:53 <Luke-Jr> custom connect to utopios.org
12:53 <spidey> are you trying it from terminal?
12:53 <spidey> k,sec
12:54 <spidey> O_o
12:54 <spidey> nope
12:55 <spidey> port 4534?
12:56 <Luke-Jr> try now
13:02 <spidey> map load failure
13:03 <Luke-Jr> sry
13:03 <Luke-Jr> try again
13:03 <Luke-Jr> typo
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13:15 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
13:15 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
13:29 <Luke-Jr> oops
13:29 <Luke-Jr> hey devs
13:29 <Luke-Jr> how about not booting everyone when the map is missing
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> man, that guy's vandalism is almost worth keeping, heh
13:30 <Vanhayes> ?
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Servers&diff=9941&oldid=9881
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> you know, put it on some "What users are saying about the game" page or something :)
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> #q
13:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 01:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
13:33 <Vanhayes> hmm a I have heard that that there is a clan called STM that just impersonate, disrupt and just annoy people. SO basically it is a clan of pimps
13:34 <madmax|pt> fair enough
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13:35 <Vanhayes> that is who did the Vandalism btw, not just some random comment
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know :)
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with trig
13:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [12:03:44] <Brooky> What are you on about making maps with trig?
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> Brooky: well, really you need trig anyway to make maps just like they are, but you can fake it now
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> Brooky: if you wanted to make something on the map vary with time using the function stuff I posted about, you'd need to know about functions
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> Brooky: the trig functions (at least sin and cos) are particularly useful for something that needs to oscillate. So you'd need to know how these functions behave if you wanted to use them.
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I really like the idea of using functions to define some attributes of map elements, but that could just be because I'm studying calculus right now :)
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5546 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ (ePlayer.cpp eTeam.cpp): (log message trimmed)
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5520 to 5545:
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: r5528 | z-man | 2006-06-29 14:21:54 +0200 (Thu, 29 Jun 2006) | 1 line
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed balancing: when a team is to be removed, the smallest team is broken up and the players are distributed evenly across the other teams, always putting each player into the smallest team left.
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad: r5527 | z-man | 2006-06-29 14:09:17 +0200 (Thu, 29 Jun 2006) | 1 line
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5547 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5513 to 5546:
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: r5525 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-29 04:14:17 +0200 (Thu, 29 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed bug in inversed bar gauges: the foreground and background weren't inverted
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: r5524 | wrtlprnft | 2006-06-29 04:13:23 +0200 (Thu, 29 Jun 2006) | 2 lines
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13:53 <madmax|pt> fortress down?
13:55 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=67961&sid=529ca9becc10b7709be365c13ad90471#67961
13:55 <madmax|pt> :/
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> my fortress is up :)
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's not compiling firefox anymore, so you might get a ping that doesnt' completely suck
13:57 <madmax|pt> what about those huge lag bombs?
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> prevailing conditions
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> think of it like driving in canada: it's always fucking icy!
13:58 <madmax|pt> lol
13:58 <Vanhayes> hey, not in summer
13:58 <Vanhayes> not in most of canada anyway
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, more like driving in Greenland then: it's always fucking icy and you might hit a giant!
13:59 <Vanhayes> lol
14:01 <Brooky> lol
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14:05 <Brooky> Bye
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14:23 <Lucifer_arma> why do spambots deliver so many malformed urls? Seems like they'd be more successful if they had less stupid typos
14:29 <ghableska> a poetic spambot...
14:33 * Lucifer_arma is patiently waiting for the first idiot to tell him he can't play anything as cool as the opening theme in 0.3.0
14:35 <Vanhayes> you can't play anything as cool as the opening theme in 0.3.0
14:36 * ghableska watches
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be funny when it's someone who doesn't know I played the opening theme in 0.3.0
14:37 <Vanhayes> heh
14:42 * Lucifer_arma wants a server that streams whatever he's playing on his bass
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so when I think I'm playing something relaly cool and I can say "Hey, listen to this!" ANd y'all can say "That's nice, luci"
14:43 <ghableska> That's nice, luci!
14:44 * Lucifer_arma has tired fingers now
14:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, it's called shoutcast
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't played my guitar in so long the strings are starting to rust, heh. Been playing my bass instead...
14:45 <Lucifer_arma> "Broadcasters need to use Winamp and the SHOUTcast Source Plug-in for Winamp. There is no current solution for broadcasting from Unix or Macintosh. "
14:46 <spidey> yea
14:46 <Luke-Jr> Shoutcast is ancient
14:46 <Luke-Jr> there's no current solution for *nix because all of them were abandoned
14:46 <Luke-Jr> and don't work with latest XMMS
14:47 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508732F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
14:47 <Luke-Jr> hi z-man
14:47 <Luke-Jr> how art thou?
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> looks like icecast will do it, though
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, I still need to connect a broadcaster. I guess I should find a broadcaster
14:51 <Luke-Jr> run one
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> aha, found once. there's iceS for that
14:53 <Luke-Jr> except don't use shoutcast
14:53 <Luke-Jr> use peercast ;)
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can anybody connect to this with a web browser?
15:19 <madmax|pt> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at streams.davefancella.com:8000.
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> but not "connection denied"?
15:22 <madmax|pt> no
15:22 <madmax|pt> or at least firefox doesnt say it
15:23 <madmax|pt> the "boldest" message is Unable to connect
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I'm getting connection denied :)
15:27 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9BB8.versanet.de] has quit [Success]
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> how about now?
15:30 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BABB7.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can anybody connect to this with a web browser?
15:31 <madmax|pt> it opens now
15:31 <ghableska> but I can't listen to anything...
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> can you hear my bass?
15:32 <ghableska> no
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm....... are there streams listed?
15:32 <ghableska> yeah
15:32 <ghableska> bass.ogg
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> do you get an error message or anything? Or just silence?
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> because when I'm typing, I"m not playing :)
15:33 <ghableska> just silence
15:33 <madmax|pt> now silence...
15:33 <madmax|pt> now bass
15:33 <madmax|pt> lol
15:33 <Luke-Jr> some noise
15:33 <madmax|pt> its live?
15:33 <Luke-Jr> low pitch
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah it's live :)
15:33 <ghableska> still can't hear anything...
15:33 <madmax|pt> oh nice
15:33 <Luke-Jr> so you typed that while playing?
15:33 * Lucifer_arma introduces Luke-Jr to buffers
15:34 <madmax|pt> lol
15:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'mg etting hellish latency, what I hear was played like 3 seconds ago, it's very disorienting
15:34 * Luke-Jr disables his buffer
15:34 <madmax|pt> good sound quality
15:35 <madmax|pt> a true cliff burton
15:35 <madmax|pt> lol
15:35 <ghableska> grr
15:35 * ghableska still doesn't hear anything
15:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
15:35 <madmax|pt> you're playing the m3u with what?
15:35 <Luke-Jr> mplayer http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/bass.ogg
15:35 <Luke-Jr> I'm usign -nocache
15:35 <madmax|pt> i just opened the m3u with vlc
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> i just clicked it and it opened in kaffeine
15:36 <Luke-Jr> ...
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> using the xine backend
15:36 <Luke-Jr> ok
15:36 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: any idea why Arma freezes when it can't do sound?
15:37 <Luke-Jr> eg, when the driver isn't loaded or something else has it locked
15:40 -!- cusco_ is now known as cusco
15:40 <Luke-Jr> play the AA opening =p
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember the AA opening :)
15:41 <Luke-Jr> ............
15:41 <madmax|pt> play Sweet Amber :D
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I just shut it down, sorry. my fingers are about to fall off.
15:41 <madmax|pt> lol
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> damn, my wife just got back with the battery and I have to go install it. I better rest my hands, bbiab
15:43 <Luke-Jr> o
15:46 <Vanhayes> ghableska, ill go to swamp lords with you
15:46 <ghableska> ok
15:47 <Vanhayes> going now
15:47 <ghableska> yup
15:47 <Vanhayes> er I yhink my client froze
15:48 <ghableska> o_O
15:48 <Vanhayes> be there in a second
15:48 <ghableska> ok
15:53 <ghableska> did your client crash?
15:53 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034177024.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
15:54 * Vanhayes_ hates his conection, alot.
15:54 <ghableska> :P
15:56 <madmax|pt> after all, i dont have a crappy connection when compared to you
15:56 <madmax|pt> i thought i did
15:56 <madmax|pt> lol
15:56 <ghableska> :P
15:58 <ghableska> oo
15:58 <ghableska> giant freeze
15:58 <Vanhayes_> yes
15:58 <ghableska> and unlimited rubber :D
15:58 <Vanhayes_> ahahaha
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> swamplords teams is about to be lagged seriously
15:58 <Vanhayes_> about to be?
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I just started emerging icecast over there
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd like to go ahead and setup a streaming media server :)
15:59 <ghableska> heh
16:00 <Vanhayes_> damn cant go over 139.3 speed
16:01 <ghableska> I got to 200.0 :P
16:01 <Vanhayes_> lol how?
16:01 <ghableska> I got stuck in a corner between my tail and the grid wall
16:01 <Vanhayes_> lol
16:02 <ghableska> btw, on your screen, where am I?
16:02 <Vanhayes_> u went straight
16:02 <Vanhayes_> and are in the middle
16:02 * Vanhayes_ goes to CT
16:03 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you should play one of my new maps =p
16:03 <Luke-Jr> like maybe Puckmap, but that isn't enclosed =p
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> navigating in arma via irc
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
16:04 <Luke-Jr> so a good # of rounds playing Puckman result in battles outside the arena
16:04 <Luke-Jr> just ask Vanhayes ;)
16:04 <Luke-Jr> Puckmap*
16:04 <Vanhayes_> heh yes it is funtho
16:07 <Vanhayes_> bbl
16:10 <wejp> is that a bug or what is wrong if everyone always commits suicide and nobody ever gets any points every for killing someone?
16:10 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034177024.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
16:10 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
16:17 <wejp> nobody here?
16:17 <ghableska> o_O
16:21 <Luke-Jr> wejp: wtf?
16:21 <wejp> eh?
16:21 <wejp> it happens with both 0.2.8.1 and 0.2.8.2
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you guys get the stream page again?
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can anybody connect to this with a web browser?
16:25 <wejp> :(
16:25 <madmax|pt> no lister stream
16:25 <madmax|pt> *listed
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> how about now?
16:26 <madmax|pt> works...
16:26 <madmax|pt> yep, thats you
16:26 <madmax|pt> :D
16:28 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508732F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool, thanks. :)
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> the difference, of course, is that that's running on my server, so it'll always be running, I just have to remember to connect to it when I'm actually practicing :)
16:31 <wejp> does nobody have an idea what to do to get it work normally?
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> get what to work normally?
16:36 <wejp> that i get point for killing another player
16:36 <wejp> now everyone commits suicide and nobody gets any points
16:44 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
16:54 <Vanhayes> WHAT SERVER wejp
16:54 <Vanhayes> sry caps
16:55 <wejp> local testing, can even happen in single player
16:55 <wejp> i know that others had the same problem
16:55 <Vanhayes> did you fiddel with the scoring settings?
16:57 <wejp> yes, i have set SCORE_WIN to 1 and SCORE_SUICIDE to -1
16:57 <wejp> and SCORE_KILL 1 and SCORE_DIE 0
17:22 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
18:13 <Vanhayes> #q
18:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
18:13 <Vanhayes> #f
18:13 <armabot> Random Fortune: Bing's Rule: || Don't try to stem the tide -- move the beach.
18:13 <Vanhayes> #i
18:13 <Vanhayes> #list alias
18:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, (1 more message)
18:13 <Vanhayes> #more
18:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, s, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, should, spam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
18:14 <Vanhayes> #insight
18:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: The nauseating outgrowth of traditional values will deteriorate our genetic diversity.
18:29 <Vanhayes> #insight
18:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: The unparalleled outgrowth of human literacy will truncate our children's fiduciary responsibility.
18:37 <Vanhayes> #b
18:37 <Vanhayes> # help b
18:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: (b <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "tell SuPeRTaRD llllllllllllllllooooooooooooooollllllllllllllll".
18:37 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:37 <Vanhayes> lol
18:37 <wrtlprnft> #u
18:37 <armabot> spidey: 01:37:54 up 69 days, 1:41, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
18:38 <spidey> bah
18:38 <Vanhayes> #help s
18:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "insult spidey".
18:38 <Vanhayes> #s
18:38 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a festering accumulation of milk-livered jizzum.
18:38 <Vanhayes> heh
18:38 <Vanhayes> #help Vanhayes
18:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "pwnt [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]".
18:39 <Vanhayes> #dotdotdot
18:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: [18:38:45] <Vanhayes> heh, [18:38:32] <spidey> bah, [18:38:00] <Vanhayes> lol, [18:37:57] <wrtlprnft> o_O, [16:22:03] <wejp> eh?, [16:18:00] <ghableska> o_O, [16:07:40] <Vanhayes_> bbl, [16:02:15] <Vanhayes_> lol, [15:59:56] <ghableska> heh, [15:58:26] <Vanhayes_> yes, [15:56:33] <madmax|pt> lol, [15:48:40] <ghableska> o_O, [15:47:43] <ghableska> yup, [15:41:56] <madmax|pt> lol, (31 more messages)
18:39 <Vanhayes> heh
18:39 <wrtlprnft> it shows you how much useless talk everyone did in the last bit of time
18:39 <Vanhayes> #help dotdotdot
18:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: (dotdotdot <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "last --regex /^...$/ --nolimit".
18:42 * wrtlprnft thinks he should post an actual picture of his desktop
18:43 -!- madmax|pt [n=MadMaX@bl4-184-176.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
18:43 <Vanhayes> why?
18:43 <wrtlprnft> to make silly angry
18:43 <wrtlprnft> or annoyed, whatever
19:00 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=68221#68221
19:02 <Vanhayes> wow, that is a little much wrtlprnft, How can you find anything on there?
19:03 <wrtlprnft> uh, by clicking on it and typing the first letter of the name
19:03 <Vanhayes> I guess that works
19:03 <wrtlprnft> then holding the letter, and everything beginning with it will flash in orange
19:04 <wrtlprnft> and, usually i don't try to find everything on it
19:04 <wrtlprnft> it's like my real desktop--a place to put crap on and ignore it for everything else
19:05 <wrtlprnft> s/every/any
19:06 <Vanhayes> er I guess 97 isnt alot, I just counted mine and i have 51
19:06 <wrtlprnft> heh.
19:06 <Vanhayes> thought I had alot less
19:06 <wrtlprnft> . <-- the dot is so the line has 4 letters
19:08 <wrtlprnft> and doesn't get listed by #dotdotdot
19:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: 130 icons is the space- limit on my desktop :(
19:10 <Vanhayes> hmm mine is around there too I think give or take
19:11 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
19:15 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
19:15 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
19:15 <ghableska> lol, you're usually the first (and only) person to say hello :P
19:15 <Vanhayes> #poke wrtlprnft
19:15 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
19:15 <ghableska> :P
19:16 <Vanhayes> heh wrtlprnft says hello sometimes
19:16 <ghableska> true
19:18 <spidey> fuck
19:18 <spidey> that
19:18 <ghableska> o.0
19:18 <ghableska> and hello spidey ;)
19:18 * spidey had to put one of those spread sheets (things that go between matress and box springs) on a king size bed
19:18 <spidey> alone!!!
19:18 <ghableska> how long did it take?
19:19 <spidey> 10 minutes or so
19:19 <spidey> it kept sliding off
19:20 <spidey> this hot ass room
19:20 <spidey> just had a shower and now i need another one
19:20 <spidey> :/
19:20 <ghableska> what about the insects?
19:21 <spidey> haven't seen any today
19:21 <spidey> i usually get atleast 1 wasp a day though
19:21 <spidey> haven't today O_o
19:22 <ghableska> mhmm
19:22 -!- guru3_ [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #armagetron
19:22 <spidey> O_o
19:24 -!- guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> HELLO GHABLESKA
19:29 <ghableska> ty Lucifer_arma :)
19:31 -!- mkzelda [n=mkzelda@unaffiliated/mkzelda] has quit ["changing servers"]
19:47 <wrtlprnft> HI THERE GHABLESKA!!!!!!!11111oneoneeleven
19:47 <ghableska> :O
19:48 * ghableska will shut up for now
19:48 * wrtlprnft 's gonna write a plugin for armabot to say hi to ghableska automatically
19:48 <ghableska> lol
19:50 <wrtlprnft> what's the reason I'm crying anyways
19:50 <wrtlprnft> i saw Lucifer_arma crying so i thought he might have a reason and cried too
19:50 <ghableska> o_O
19:50 <wrtlprnft> WELL, ANYWAYS, CRYING IS SO MUCH FUN I COULD GET USED TO IT
19:51 -!- You're now known as WRTLPRNFT
19:51 * WRTLPRNFT CRIES
19:51 * ghableska covers ears
19:51 * WRTLPRNFT CRIES LOUDER
19:51 * WRTLPRNFT SCREAMS
19:52 <WRTLPRNFT> #NICKOMETER WRTLPRNFT
19:53 <WRTLPRNFT> YOU DON'T LIKE MY NICK ARMABOT? FUCK OFF!
19:54 <ghableska> :O
19:55 * WRTLPRNFT IS LOOKING FOR ANY REASON TO CRIE MORE
19:55 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
19:55 <ghableska> normal now?
19:55 * wrtlprnft gives up, there is no reason
19:55 <Vanhayes> #help nickometer
19:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "nickometer".
19:56 <ghableska> :P
19:56 <Vanhayes> #list
19:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
19:56 <ghableska> first time I've heard wrtlprnft swear :P
19:56 <Vanhayes> lol
19:57 <wrtlprnft> :P
19:57 <Vanhayes> #praise wrtlprnft for swearing
19:57 * armabot gives wrtlprnft a cookie for swearing
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #last --from fcukfcup --nolimit
19:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 25240 messages.
19:57 <wrtlprnft> #last --from fcukfcuk --nolimit
19:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [09:41:14] <fcukfcuk> the keys are like right next to each other., [09:40:52] <fcukfcuk> hi., [09:40:44] <fcukfcuk> er., and [09:40:37] <fcukfcuk> YOU ALL SUCK DICK
19:57 <wrtlprnft> :P
19:57 <Vanhayes> lol
19:57 <ghableska> lol
19:57 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:57 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddels
19:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.23 seconds)
19:57 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddles
19:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.37 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://tigersnetwork.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
19:58 <wrtlprnft> err
19:58 <wrtlprnft> why do they have different results?
19:58 <Vanhayes> diff spelling
19:58 <Vanhayes> els>les
19:58 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:58 <wrtlprnft> but els<les
19:59 <Vanhayes> #lasr --from alt130 --nolimit
19:59 <Vanhayes> #last --from alt130 --nolimit
19:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 25264 messages.
19:59 <Vanhayes> #seen alt130
19:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have not seen alt130.
19:59 <Vanhayes> hmm
20:00 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ grep alt130 irclogs/FreeNode/\#armagetron.log ~
20:00 <wrtlprnft> 19:59 <Vanhayes> #lasr --from alt130 --nolimit
20:00 <wrtlprnft> 19:59 <Vanhayes> #last --from alt130 --nolimit
20:00 <wrtlprnft> 19:59 <Vanhayes> #seen alt130
20:00 <wrtlprnft> 19:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have not seen alt130.
20:00 <wrtlprnft> nothing
20:00 <wrtlprnft> and those go quite a bit back now
20:00 <Vanhayes> #last --from AfterDeath --nolimit
20:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 25280 messages.
20:00 <Vanhayes> damn
20:01 <ghableska> ?
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/75300
20:02 <Vanhayes> lol
20:02 <ghableska> 0.o
20:02 <Vanhayes> <AfterDeath> he has the freaking shebang
20:02 <Vanhayes> heh
20:04 <wrtlprnft> armabot: !
20:04 <wrtlprnft> no shebang there
20:04 <Vanhayes> #google shebang
20:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.82 seconds: Shebang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang>; Shebang (Unix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)>; TRIPLE M: <http://www.mrock.com.au/shows/shebang/index.php>; The Whole Shebang: <http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/>; shebang: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/shebang.html>; (1 more message)
20:05 * wrtlprnft is referring to the second one, of course
20:06 <Vanhayes> lol, not refering to "the whole shebang"?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Shebang (Unix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)>;
20:53 <wrtlprnft> just pwnt Xzl named "100% cheese"
20:53 <ghableska> :P
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> I was crying?
21:14 <Vanhayes> no clue
21:16 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: [NP]Tangent, deja_vu
21:17 * Lucifer_arma doesn't remember crying
21:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: deja_vu, [NP]Tangent
21:20 * Vanhayes remebers crying when he was 10
21:20 <ghableska> lol
21:20 <ghableska> good memory ;)
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21:27 * Lucifer_arma remembers Vanhayes crying when he read "Lucifer core dumped Vanhayes for 2 points."
21:32 * Vanhayes remembers crying that One time too
21:33 <Vanhayes> #google fight Sideburns Beard
21:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Beard: 46600000, Sideburns: 1660000
21:34 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
21:34 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
21:34 <ghableska> HELLO VANHAYES
21:34 <ghableska> :P
21:34 <Vanhayes> lol
21:35 <Vanhayes> #list
21:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
21:35 <Vanhayes> #list Misc
21:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
21:36 <Vanhayes> #ping Vanhayes
21:36 <armabot> pong
21:36 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:36 <Vanhayes> #help ping
21:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: (ping takes no arguments) -- Checks to see if the bot is alive.
21:36 <Vanhayes> armabout help should
21:36 <Vanhayes> er
21:36 <Vanhayes> armabot help should
21:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: (should <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo i agree".
21:38 <Vanhayes> #list games
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
21:38 <Vanhayes> #help monologue
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
21:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long.
21:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 13 lines long.
21:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
21:38 <ghableska> o_
21:38 <ghableska> O
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 14 lines long.
21:38 <Vanhayes> heh
21:38 <Vanhayes> aw
21:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long.
21:38 <ghableska> lol
21:39 <ghableska> :P
21:39 <ghableska> fun
21:39 <ghableska> hi
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska>
21:39 <ghableska> #monologue
21:39 <Vanhayes> #monologue ghableska
21:39 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 11 lines long.
21:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
21:39 <Vanhayes> lol
21:39 <Vanhayes> how do you just type empty ?
21:40 <ghableska> space ;)
21:41 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034177024.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:41 * Vanhayes_ stops pressing random buttons now
21:41 <ghableska> lol
21:42 <Vanhayes_> found out ctrl + w closes channel with this IRC client
21:43 <Vanhayes_> #last --Vanhayes
21:43 <armabot> Vanhayes_: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:43 <Vanhayes_> #last --Vanhayes 10
21:43 <armabot> Vanhayes_: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:43 <Vanhayes_> #last --Vanhayes --nolimit
21:44 <armabot> Vanhayes_: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:44 <Vanhayes_> bah
21:44 * Vanhayes_ pokes Vanhayes
21:44 <ghableska> lol
21:44 * ghableska watches Vanhayes poke himself
21:44 <Vanhayes_> heh
21:45 * ghableska pokes Vanhayes too
21:45 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034177024.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
21:45 * Vanhayes_ kills Vanhayes
21:45 <ghableska> heh
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "stupid canadian" "smart american"
21:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: smart american: 142000000, stupid canadian: 13300000
21:47 * Lucifer_arma admits he's quite surprised at these results
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "smart canadian" "stupid american"
21:47 <ghableska> #google fight "Smart president" "stupid president"
21:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: stupid american: 66700000, smart canadian: 35700000
21:47 <armabot> ghableska: Smart president: 101000000, stupid president: 39300000
21:47 <ghableska> :-/
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "Bush is smart" "Bush is stupid"
21:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Bush is smart: 48700000, Bush is stupid: 37500000
21:48 <ghableska> wtf?
21:48 <Vanhayes_> more stupid americans than there are people in Canada
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "people are smart" "people are stupid"
21:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: people are smart: 292000000, people are stupid: 146000000
21:48 * Lucifer_arma just lost all faith in the world
21:48 * ghableska cries along with Lucifer_arma
21:48 <ghableska> :P
21:48 <Vanhayes_> #google fight President "Prime Minister"
21:49 <armabot> Vanhayes_: President: 1970000000, Prime Minister: 186000000
21:49 <ghableska> :P
21:49 <Vanhayes_> wow
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's not very specific, though
21:49 <Vanhayes_> true
21:49 <Vanhayes_> #google fight "American President" "Canadian Prime Minister"
21:49 <armabot> Vanhayes_: American President: 653000000, Canadian Prime Minister: 51500000
21:49 <Vanhayes_> close
21:49 <Vanhayes_> er
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> count the zeros
21:49 <Vanhayes_> just did
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's not very helpful either, the canadian prime minister doesn't make nearly as much news and generate nearly as much commentary as the stupid american president
21:50 <Vanhayes_> true
21:50 <ghableska> #google fight Canadians Americans
21:50 <Vanhayes_> do u even know who it is?
21:50 <armabot> ghableska: Americans: 569000000, Canadians: 58500000
21:50 <Vanhayes_> bah
21:50 <ghableska> not surprising
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> I must admit I don't :)
21:50 <Vanhayes_> lol
21:50 <Vanhayes_> he is new
21:51 <Vanhayes_> #google Steven Harper
21:51 <armabot> Vanhayes_: Search took 0.45 seconds: Stephen Harper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper>; Mapleleafweb.com: Party Leader Biography - Stephen Harper : Leader ...: <http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html>; Conservative Party of Canada: <http://www.conservative.ca/>; Steven Piziks and Steven Harper: (2 more messages)
21:51 <Vanhayes_> or stephan
21:51 <Vanhayes_> er
21:51 <Vanhayes_> stephen
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ :)
21:56 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: what can I use to listen to streams?
21:56 <Vanhayes_> winamp
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> windows?
21:56 <ghableska> yes
21:56 <Vanhayes_> works for me anyways
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, winamp should work for you
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> icecast is compatible with shoutcast, afaik
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> and the winamp guys made shoutcast :)
21:56 <Vanhayes_> #google fight "Jean Chr�tien" "George Bush"
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes_: George Bush: 328000000, Jean Chr�tien: 0
21:57 <Vanhayes_> ....
21:57 <spidey> pwned
21:57 <ghableska> lol
21:57 <Vanhayes_> that cant be right
21:57 <Vanhayes_> #google fight "Jean Chretien" "George Bush"
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes_: George Bush: 328000000, Jean Chretien: 5650000
21:57 <Vanhayes_> heh
21:57 <ghableska> still... :P
21:57 <Vanhayes_> cant handle the �
21:58 <spidey> bush still won O_o
21:58 <Vanhayes_> well it is bush, what did u expect
21:58 <Vanhayes_> #google lucky Jean Chretien
21:58 <armabot> Vanhayes_: http://www.pm.gc.ca/
21:58 * ghableska is listening
21:59 * Vanhayes_ is too
21:59 * ghableska can't hear anything
21:59 * Vanhayes_ is wondering why he still has the _...
22:00 <wrtlprnft>
22:00 <wrtlprnft>
22:00 <wrtlprnft>
22:00 <wrtlprnft>
22:00 <wrtlprnft>
22:00 <spidey> ....
22:01 * Vanhayes_ cant do that
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes_: rename yourself?
22:01 <ghableska>
22:01 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft_
22:01 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:01 <Vanhayes_> .
22:01 <Vanhayes_> heh it ignores spaces
22:01 <spidey> /nick Vanhayes
22:01 <wrtlprnft> /nick Vanhayes
22:01 <spidey> \
22:01 <spidey> \
22:01 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
22:01 * wrtlprnft can do it without space in front
22:02 <wrtlprnft> / / / / / / / /
22:02 <Vanhayes> . / /
22:02 <spidey> \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \
22:02 <Vanhayes> \ \
22:02 <spidey> you messed it up..
22:02 <Vanhayes> heh
22:02 <Vanhayes> messed what up?
22:02 <spidey> / /
22:03 <wrtlprnft> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
22:03 <Vanhayes> VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
22:03 <Vanhayes> lol
22:03 <wrtlprnft> WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
22:03 <spidey> O_o
22:03 <wrtlprnft> beat that
22:03 <Vanhayes> #spam
22:03 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:03 <spidey> lol
22:03 <wrtlprnft> #help spam
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [later tell $randomnick enjoy the spam]".
22:04 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, and phil.
22:04 <wrtlprnft> that one doesn't work :(
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #help echo
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
22:04 <Vanhayes> #notes $randomnick
22:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sent 2 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, and 44 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, and 44 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 2 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, and Sent just now: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam
22:04 <spidey> wrtl
22:04 <spidey> all you need is
22:04 <spidey> "later tell $randomnick enjoy the spam"
22:05 <spidey> echo puts it into the chat
22:05 <spidey> so it cancels later :p
22:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias add spam "later tell [echo $randomNick] enjoy the spam"
22:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:05 <wrtlprnft> #spam
22:05 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:05 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, and phil.
22:05 <spidey> ....
22:05 <Vanhayes> Damnit I still have Adware
22:05 <wrtlprnft> #notes Lucifer_arma
22:05 <Vanhayes> wo
22:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam
22:05 <wrtlprnft> hah!
22:05 <wrtlprnft> now it works
22:05 <spidey> :p
22:05 <Vanhayes> #spam
22:05 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:05 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, and phil.
22:05 <Vanhayes> heh
22:06 <wrtlprnft> cusco, poor guy
22:06 <Vanhayes> that could get annoying
22:06 <spidey> heh'
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
22:07 <armabot> 1 + 2 = 3 -- The operation succeeded.
22:07 <Vanhayes> #echo $randomint $today $now
22:07 <armabot> -80 29 Jun 2006 Thu Jun 29 22:08:05 2006
22:08 <Vanhayes> #echo $randomDate
22:08 <armabot> Sun Feb 15 22:35:53 2004
22:08 <Vanhayes> #google Sun Feb 15 22:35:53 2004
22:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.17 seconds: GNSO Email Archives: [ga]: <http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/thrd15.html>; Index of /pub/linux/boot/syslinux/RPMS/: <http://www.hu.kernel.org/pub/linux/boot/syslinux/RPMS/>; Vampire: The Masquerade Players, Vampire: The Masquerade Meetups ...: <http://masquerade.meetup.com/cities/us/tx/houston/>; FTP.FU-Berlin.DE: Mirror Information: (2 more messages)
22:08 <Vanhayes> #ore
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomDate]
22:08 <Vanhayes> #mre
22:08 <armabot> Search took 0.44 seconds: KFFL - Mark Hendrickson, SP, Tampa Bay Devil Rays: <http://kffl.com/player/7893/MLB>; KFFL - Guillermo Quiroz, C, Seattle Mariners: <http://kffl.com/player/8332/MLB>; /branches/galago-daemon/libgalago-glib-port/ChangeLog - Galago - Trac: <http://trac.galago-project.org/browser/branches/galago-daemon/libgalago-glib-port/ChangeLog?rev=2088>; ChangeLog.lib: (3 more messages)
22:08 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:09 <Vanhayes> lol
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomint]
22:09 <armabot> Search took 0.47 seconds: http://www.371.net/; + 371 records: riga, latvia: <http://www.plus371.com/>; 371 Productions: <http://www.371productions.com/>; US CODE: Title 18371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud ...: <http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/371.shtml>; The JavaScript Planet - Collection with 371 free JavaScripts!: (1 more message)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomint]
22:09 <armabot> (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
22:09 <wrtlprnft> doesn't like the -
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomnick]
22:09 <armabot> Search took 0.12 seconds: Tony Luke Jr .: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0525572/>; Tony Luke Jr's - Philadelphia, PA, 19103-4901 - Citysearch: <http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/8949764/philadelphia_pa/tony_luke_jr_s.html>; Tony Luke Jr .: <http://www.tonylukes.com/tlj.htm>; Aeronautics - Frank Luke: <http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/luke.htm>; Lt Frank Luke Jr - US Air (2 more messages)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomnick]
22:09 <armabot> Search took 0.49 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; Log opened Tue May 30 00:00:23 2006 03:16 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael ...: <http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/t2-2006-05-30>; Log opened Sun May 28 00:00:11 2006 00:32 -!- (2 more messages)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #google [echo $randomnick]
22:09 <armabot> Search took 0.35 seconds: Spidey -- mRNA to genomic alignment: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/spidey/>; Spider-Man in Amazing Adventures: <http://www.ed.gov/inits/americareads/spidey/>; Spider-Man Crawl Space--All Spidey , All The Time: <http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/>; Spidey Kicks Butt - the No. 1 source for Spider-Man commentary!: <http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/>; Spidey (2 more messages)
22:10 <wrtlprnft> :D
22:10 <Vanhayes> lol
22:10 <wrtlprnft> #google fight [echo $randomnick] [echo $randomnick]
22:10 <armabot> wejp: 37600, armabot: 949
22:10 <Vanhayes> lol
22:10 <Vanhayes> #google fight [echo $randomnick] [echo $randomnick]
22:10 <armabot> cusco: 7950000, deja_vu: 88900
22:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:10 <Vanhayes> er that could get annoying
22:10 * Vanhayes stops
22:10 <wrtlprnft> he's gonna write something like x_x in a few secs, just wait
22:11 <spidey> lol
22:12 <Vanhayes> #list
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
22:12 <Vanhayes> #list services
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
22:12 <Vanhayes> #list insult
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: insult
22:12 <Vanhayes> #list dict
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: dict, dictionaries, and random
22:12 <Vanhayes> #random
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
22:13 <Vanhayes> #dictom
22:13 <Vanhayes> er
22:13 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:13 <Vanhayes> #dict random
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: scr-eng
22:13 <Vanhayes> ...
22:13 <Vanhayes> #dict random
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: eng-cze
22:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #help dict random
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (dict random takes no arguments) -- Returns a random valid dictionary.
22:13 <Vanhayes> #dictionaries
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: --exit--, afr-deu, afr-eng, all, ara-eng, bouvier, cro-eng, cze-eng, dan-eng, deu-eng, deu-fra, deu-ita, deu-nld, deu-por, devils, easton, elements, eng-afr, eng-ara, eng-cro, eng-cze, eng-deu, eng-fra, eng-hin, eng-hun, eng-iri, eng-ita, eng-lat, eng-nld, eng-por, eng-rom, eng-rus, eng-spa, eng-swa, eng-swe, eng-tur, eng-wel, english, foldoc, fra-deu, fra-eng, fra-nld, gaz-county, gaz- (1 more message)
22:13 <Vanhayes> #more
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: place, gaz-zip, gazetteer, gcide, hin-eng, hitchcock, hun-eng, iri-eng, ita-deu, jargon, jpn-deu, kha-deu, lat-deu, lat-eng, moby-thes, nld-deu, nld-eng, nld-fra, por-deu, por-eng, sco-deu, scr-eng, slo-eng, spa-eng, swa-eng, swe-eng, trans, tur-deu, tur-eng, vera, web1913, wn, world02, and world95
22:13 <wrtlprnft> --exit--?
22:14 <Vanhayes> #dict exit
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Exit \Ex"it\ [L., 3d pers. sing. pres. of exire to go out. See {Exeunt}, {Issue}.] He (or she ) goes out, or retires from view; as, exit Macbeth. [1913 Webster] Note: The Latin words exit (he or she goes out), and exeunt ( they go out), are used in dramatic writings to indicate the time of withdrawal from the stage of one or more of the (11 more messages)
22:14 <Vanhayes> lol
22:14 <Vanhayes> #help dict exit
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "dict exit".
22:14 <Vanhayes> #help dict --exit--
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "dict exit--".
22:14 <wrtlprnft> #list dict
22:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: dict, dictionaries, and random
22:14 <Vanhayes> #help --exit--
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "exit--".
22:14 <wrtlprnft> #help dict dict
22:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (dict dict [<dictionary>] <word>) -- Looks up the definition of <word> on dict.org's dictd server.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> #dict --exit-- it
22:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict dict gaz-zip Van
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "Van" could be found in gaz-zip
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict dict gaz-zip the
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "the" could be found in gaz-zip
22:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: contacting that bot's administrator: 22:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> now where's the information?
22:15 <Vanhayes> #dict dict gaz-zip zip
22:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "zip" could be found in gaz-zip
22:15 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #dict dict gaz-zip gaga zip zop gaz
22:16 <Vanhayes> #dict dict eng-afr the
22:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No definition for "gaga zip zop gaz" could be found in gaz-zip
22:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "the" could be found in eng-afr
22:16 <Vanhayes> #dict dict eng-afr hello
22:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "hello" could be found in eng-afr
22:16 <Vanhayes> #list
22:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
22:16 * ghableska yawns
22:16 <ghableska> 'night everyone
22:17 <Vanhayes> night ghableska
22:17 <wrtlprnft> night
22:17 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #insult spidey
22:17 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a flap-mouthed ass-full of goatish buzzard.
22:17 <Vanhayes> #s
22:17 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:17 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:17 <Vanhayes> #help s
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "spam $*".
22:17 <Vanhayes> someone switched it
22:18 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, phil, SuPeRTaRD, and wejp.
22:18 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately i see no way for #spam to tell you who the spam actually went to
22:18 <wrtlprnft> wejp this time
22:19 <spidey> #echo bah
22:19 <spidey> heh
22:19 <Vanhayes> ...
22:19 <Vanhayes> #help echo
22:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
22:19 * Vanhayes wonders what spidey was doing to armabot in private to bann him
22:20 <spidey> luci made it ignore me
22:20 <Vanhayes> lol
22:20 <Vanhayes> #list
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
22:20 <Vanhayes> #list praise
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
22:20 <Vanhayes> #raise stats
22:20 <Vanhayes> er
22:20 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:20 <Vanhayes> #praise stats
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: There are 3 praises in my database.
22:21 <Vanhayes> #praise get 1
22:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Praise with id #1 in my database for #armagetron.
22:21 <Vanhayes> #praise get
22:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: (praise get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the $type with id <id> from the $type database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:21 <wrtlprnft> make new ones if you like
22:21 -!- spidey is now known as ttttttttt
22:21 <ttttttttt> #echo echo
22:21 <Vanhayes> ha
22:21 <ttttttttt> heh
22:21 -!- ttttttttt is now known as spidey
22:21 <Vanhayes> #echo pwnt
22:21 <armabot> pwnt
22:21 <spidey> wanna bet?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #flufffy
22:22 <Vanhayes> armabot should
22:22 <armabot> i agree
22:22 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
22:22 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:22 <Vanhayes> ...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, nemo*, phil, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, and [NP]Tangent.
22:22 <spidey> lol
22:22 <wrtlprnft> [NP]Tangent this time
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #vanhyes
22:23 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
22:23 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #lucfer
22:23 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, and [NP]Tangent.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> gah, i just can't type
22:23 <Vanhayes> #lucifer
22:23 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> someone got two now
22:23 <Vanhayes> the all spam?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> and one i just got
22:23 <Vanhayes> they*
22:23 <wrtlprnft> dunno
22:23 <Vanhayes> #note
22:23 <Vanhayes> they*
22:24 <Vanhayes> er
22:24 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:24 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, and [NP]Tangent.
22:24 <Vanhayes> hmm that is going to get as bad as wakespam
22:24 <wrtlprnft> #wakespm
22:24 <Vanhayes> lol
22:24 * wrtlprnft wonders if Vanhayes will correct and enter that command himself as well
22:25 <Vanhayes> heh nope
22:25 <wrtlprnft> #ignoren
22:25 <wrtlprnft> #ignoremw
22:26 <Vanhayes> #list
22:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
22:26 <Vanhayes> #list praise
22:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
22:26 <Vanhayes> #praise search
22:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: 3 found: #4: "falls down to his knees and praises $who", #5: "gives $who the Medal of Not Sucking", and #6: "gives $who a cookie"
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #praise add "adds $who to bash.org"
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded. Praise #7 added.
22:28 <Vanhayes> #praise you
22:28 * armabot gives you a cookie
22:28 <Vanhayes> #praise you
22:28 * armabot gives you a cookie
22:28 <Vanhayes> #praise you
22:28 * armabot gives you a cookie
22:28 <Vanhayes> bah
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #praise wrtlprnft
22:28 * armabot adds wrtlprnft to bash.org
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #praise wakespam
22:28 * armabot gives wakespam the Medal of Not Sucking
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #praise spam
22:28 * armabot gives spam the Medal of Not Sucking
22:28 <Vanhayes> lol
22:28 <spidey> mmm
22:29 <Vanhayes> #echo #spam
22:29 <armabot> #spam
22:29 <Vanhayes> damn
22:29 -!- spidey2 [n=spidey@p3108-ipbf205akatuka.ibaraki.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #armagetron
22:29 <spidey2> #echo hi
22:29 <armabot> hi
22:29 * Lucifer_arma shakes his hands again
22:29 <wrtlprnft> #spamspamspam
22:29 <Vanhayes> #echo /me can't use /me properly
22:29 <armabot> /me can't use /me properly
22:29 <spidey> lol
22:29 <wrtlprnft> #spamspamspam
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> #action can't use /me properly
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list
22:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list channel
22:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list Utilities
22:30 * wrtlprnft might just add a #action to the CIA plugin
22:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #apply
22:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (apply <command> <text>) -- Tokenizes <text> and calls <command> with the resulting arguments.
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> there's a way to get an action out of her
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just don't remember how
22:30 -!- spidey2 [n=spidey@p3108-ipbf205akatuka.ibaraki.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> and I can't fucking type right now, bbiab
22:31 <Vanhayes> #loboymy
22:31 <Vanhayes> #lobotomy
22:31 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:31 <Vanhayes> #lobotomy list
22:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: I'm not currently lobotomized in any channels that you're in.
22:31 * Lucifer_arma shut off the stream, in case anybody was listening
22:32 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:32 -!- spidey2 [n=spidey@p3108-ipbf205akatuka.ibaraki.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #armagetron
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, and [NP]Tangent.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> aww, you missed it :)
22:32 <Vanhayes> I was but decided to listrn to more than just bass
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #spamspamspam
22:32 <Vanhayes> #list time
22:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
22:32 <Vanhayes> #at
22:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: (at <time string>) -- Returns the number of seconds since epoch <time string> is. <time string> can be any number of natural formats; just try something and see if it will work.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be wired right to listen to somebody practice and actually enjoy it, most people get irritated by it
22:33 <Vanhayes> it wasnt bad, I listen for about 15 min i think
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #at in 5 minutes
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1151557500
22:33 <Vanhayes> #at d
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1151557200
22:33 <Vanhayes> lol
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #at January 1, 1970, 12:00 AM
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 21600
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> wrong
22:33 <Vanhayes> #at 8:00 9:00
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1151589600
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:34 <Vanhayes> no clue
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #at January 1, 1970, 12:00 AM
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 21600
22:34 -!- spidey2 [n=spidey@p3108-ipbf205akatuka.ibaraki.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:34 <wrtlprnft> thats supposed to say 0
22:34 <Vanhayes> spidey, stay or go
22:34 <wrtlprnft> armabot should learn dates
22:34 <armabot> i agree
22:34 <wrtlprnft> go :P jk
22:34 <Vanhayes> #help should
22:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: (should <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo i agree".
22:34 <Vanhayes> #list time
22:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
22:34 <Vanhayes> #ctime
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #alias add should "echo i agree that i should $*"
22:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Thu Jun 29 22:35:10 2006
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:34 <spidey> maybe i wanna just timeout all the time
22:35 <wrtlprnft> armabot should learn dates
22:35 <armabot> i agree that i should learn dates
22:35 <Vanhayes> it is pretty fun to do...
22:35 <wrtlprnft> #alias add should "echo i agree that i should $*, $who"
22:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:35 <wrtlprnft> armabot should learn dates
22:35 <armabot> i agree that i should learn dates, wrtlprnft
22:35 <Vanhayes> #seconds
22:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (seconds [<years>y] [<weeks>w] [<days>d] [<hours>h] [<minutes>m] [<seconds>s]) -- Returns the number of seconds in the number of <years>, <weeks>, <days>, <hours>, <minutes>, and <seconds> given. An example usage is "seconds 2h 30m", which would return 9000, which is '3600*2 + 30*60'. Useful for scheduling events at a given number of seconds in the future.
22:36 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 2h 30m in s
22:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 2hours + 30minutes in seconds
22:36 <armabot> (2 hours) + (30 minutes) = 9,000 seconds -- The operation succeeded.
22:36 <wrtlprnft> who needs that?
22:36 <wrtlprnft> and wtf is "The operation succeeded"?
22:37 <Vanhayes> #seconds 17y 38w
22:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: 559094400
22:37 <Vanhayes> #help g
22:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*] -- [spam]".
22:37 <Vanhayes> spam
22:37 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, [NP]Tangent, and [Xpert]DarkStar.
22:37 <Vanhayes> who spamed all the alias
22:37 <Vanhayes> #list alias
22:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, (1 more message)
22:37 <Vanhayes> #help 42
22:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: (42 <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "g the answer to life the universe and everything".
22:38 <Vanhayes> #helpll
22:38 <Vanhayes> #help untill
22:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "untill".
22:38 <Vanhayes> #help until
22:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (until <time string>) -- Returns the number of seconds until <time string>.
22:39 <Vanhayes> #until September 30 2006
22:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: 7953631
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #lukejj
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #lukejr
22:39 <armabot> Luke-Jr: We already thought of that
22:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:39 <Vanhayes> #lotto
22:39 <armabot> The lotto numbers are 19, 14, 5, 28, 43, and 45
22:40 <Vanhayes> heh
22:40 <Vanhayes> #canada2
22:40 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
22:40 * wrtlprnft stands up
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> nationalism sucks
22:40 <Vanhayes> #canada
22:40 <armabot> 4
22:40 <wrtlprnft> that sais a texan
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> what's worse than a nationalistic american?
22:41 <Vanhayes> canadian?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> a nationalistic canadian :)
22:41 <Vanhayes> lol
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: two nationalistic americans
22:41 <Vanhayes> lmao
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:41 <Vanhayes> #pun
22:41 <armabot> bauzhahaha!
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> shut up armabot, don't make me lobotomize you
22:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:41 <Vanhayes> thats harsh
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #dict lobotomize
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No definition for "lobotomize" could be found.
22:42 <Vanhayes> #dist lobotomy
22:42 <Vanhayes> #dic lobotomy
22:42 <Vanhayes> er
22:42 <wrtlprnft> dict?
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> #give spelling ability to Vanhayes
22:42 <spidey> .....
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> don't get jealous, spidey
22:42 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:42 * Lucifer_arma goes to play some fortress
22:42 * wrtlprnft hides beind deja_vu
22:42 <spidey> canada and mexico are in north america and the u.s is called america
22:43 <spidey> so van is pwned :p
22:43 <wrtlprnft> weird logic
22:43 <Vanhayes> we are bigger
22:43 <Vanhayes> pwnt
22:43 <spidey> still north america ;)
22:43 <wrtlprnft> so?
22:43 <spidey> nvm
22:43 <Vanhayes> so u stole the name of a continent
22:43 <Vanhayes> we were original
22:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, and i'm not jealous...if i wanted to use that bot i could :)
22:44 <wrtlprnft> just that you guys have some land in north america doesn't mean you own all of the continent
22:44 <Vanhayes> #dict Canada
22:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gazetteer, gcide, and foldoc responded: gazetteer: Canada, KY Zip code(s): 41519; foldoc: Canada Country with {domain} "ca". (1995-04-06); gcide: Canada \Ca*[~n]a"da\, n. [Sp.] 1. A small ca[~n]on; a narrow valley or glen; also, but less frequently, an open valley. [Local, Western U. S.] [1913 Webster] 2. A dry riverbed. [PJC]; wn: Canada n : a nation in northern North (3 more messages)
22:44 * Lucifer_arma introduces the concept of irony to spidey
22:44 * wrtlprnft wonders why US- americans always want to own everything
22:44 <wrtlprnft> spidey: US, eh?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: because we're descended from the British?
22:44 <Vanhayes> so are we....
22:45 <Vanhayes> er
22:45 <Vanhayes> not hear
22:45 <wrtlprnft> right, but you guys never got to change anything
22:45 <wrtlprnft> still measuring in inches and stones
22:45 <wrtlprnft> still having some old undeveloped english
22:45 <spidey> atleast we can spell meters right xD
22:45 <wrtlprnft> still thinking you are the greatest guys in the world :P
22:45 <Vanhayes> spell colour
22:45 <spidey> color
22:45 <Vanhayes> heh
22:45 <wrtlprnft> there is no "right" spelling of metres
22:46 <wrtlprnft> spell business
22:46 <Vanhayes> #google fight color colour
22:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: color: 1380000000, colour: 240000000
22:46 * wrtlprnft goes count zeroes
22:46 <spidey> color won
22:47 <Vanhayes> meh it is still colour
22:47 <wrtlprnft> they are both correct
22:47 <Vanhayes> trrue
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> yes there is, and it's "meters"
22:47 * wrtlprnft adds to the list above: still thinking a 2cm dick is a huge size
22:47 <spidey> lol
22:48 * wrtlprnft runs away
22:48 <Vanhayes> #g 2cm in inches
22:48 <spidey> ......
22:48 <armabot> 2 centimeters = 0.787401575 inches -- The operation succeeded.
22:48 <Vanhayes> there ya go yankees
22:48 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:48 <Vanhayes> #g 1foot in cm
22:48 <armabot> 1 foot = 30.48 centimeters -- The operation succeeded.
22:49 <spidey> yankees?
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> outside the US, all americans are yankees for some stupid reason
22:49 <spidey> .....
22:49 <Vanhayes> um because u are yankees
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> just like in the US, all germans are krauts
22:49 <spidey> it doesn't get much further north than cananda
22:49 <wrtlprnft> try a) going to belgium with a US flag on your backpack
22:49 <spidey> canada*
22:50 <wrtlprnft> try b) going to belgium with a canadian flag on your backpack
22:50 <Vanhayes> north pole
22:50 <spidey> north pole?
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> will they belgium-kiss me?
22:50 <spidey> congrats...you can call pengiuns yankees
22:50 <wrtlprnft> see how people will like you more
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know what we call Belgium in the US?
22:50 <Vanhayes> spidey, i dont understand that
22:50 <Vanhayes> waffles?
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> Tank Road
22:51 <wrtlprnft> you can basically do that flag experiment anywhere but in the US with the same result
22:51 <Vanhayes> so who what is a yankee to an american?
22:51 <Vanhayes> er no who
22:51 <spidey> someone from the north
22:51 <spidey> yankee ;)
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, someone from north of the mason-dixon line
22:51 <Vanhayes> canuck, thank you
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> which includes all of canada, I might add
22:52 <Vanhayes> not to the rest of the world
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> the weird thing is, it's a slur in the south, but in New York it's a compliment, for some reason
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> actually, in Texas a yankee is anybody not from Texas :)
22:53 * wrtlprnft thinks US- americans are crazy and takes a shower
22:53 * Lucifer_arma doesn't see anything to disagree with there, except the shower
22:53 * Vanhayes wonders what a non US american is
22:53 <wrtlprnft> that means you don't think i stink?
22:53 <spidey> canadian
22:53 <Vanhayes> lies
22:53 <wrtlprnft> or mexican
22:54 <wrtlprnft> or brazilian
22:54 <spidey> yar
22:54 <Vanhayes> lol
22:54 <Vanhayes> any north or south american
22:54 <wrtlprnft> a non US american = someone from america (south or north) not from the US
22:55 <wrtlprnft> a non american US = a weird thing
22:55 <Vanhayes> lol
22:55 <wrtlprnft> a american non US = someone from america (south or north) not from the US
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, a non-US American = someone that wishes they were a US American
22:55 <spidey> haha
22:55 <wrtlprnft> a US non american = a weird thing
22:55 <spidey> weird thing = you?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> a US american non = grammar error
22:56 <wrtlprnft> a american US non = weird grammar error
22:56 <Vanhayes> #google population of New york
22:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.43 seconds: New York QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau: <http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html>; Population of New York: <http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/publish/article_1253.shtml>; State Population Facts - New York: <http://www.npg.org/states/ny.htm>; Top 50 Cities in the US by Population and Rank: <http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html>; (2 more messages)
22:56 <wrtlprnft> a non american non US = someone not from america
22:56 * Lucifer_arma notes that US units get even weirder
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> ever hear "big enough to fit 3 Frances"?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in SI units
22:56 <spidey> wtf's a france
22:56 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in m
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in g
22:56 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in
22:56 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in s
22:57 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in kg
22:57 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> smaller than a Texas and prone to surrender
22:57 <spidey> <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I can't send notes to mysel
22:57 <spidey> lo
22:57 <spidey> ll;
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in square kilometers
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 frances in square kilometers
22:57 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. -- The operation succeeded.
22:58 <spidey> wrtl just spammed the whole room,lol
22:58 <Vanhayes> ha
22:58 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, the France unit isn't any kind of set size. It's larger when Germany is peaceful and smaller when Germany is agressive
22:58 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:58 <Vanhayes> Ack armabot /msg me
22:58 <spidey> lol
22:58 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, spidey, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, [NP]Tangent, and [Xpert]DarkStar.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> the iraq unit is particularily unstable
22:58 <[NP]Tangent> #notes
22:58 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, spidey, SuPeRTaRD, wejp, [NP]Tangent, and [Xpert]DarkStar.
22:59 <[NP]Tangent> wtf
22:59 <[NP]Tangent> how do I read my notes
22:59 <spidey> lol
22:59 <Vanhayes> who the hell is someone
22:59 <spidey> #notes [NP]Tangent
22:59 <[NP]Tangent> and how on earth do I have a note?
22:59 <[NP]Tangent> #notes [NP]Tangent
22:59 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: (notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with the Iraq unit is that there's in independent verification
22:59 <spidey> #notes [NP]Tangent
22:59 <Vanhayes> #notes [NP]Tangent
22:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: (notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with the Iraq unit is that there's *NO* independent verification
22:59 <wrtlprnft> something tells me it's confused by the []
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> hey, anybody want to join me on my server and quit lagging it with armabot?
23:00 * wrtlprnft takes a shower now
23:00 <spidey> 33 minutes
23:00 * Vanhayes is listening to 15. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Strip My Mind
23:00 <Vanhayes> hmm
23:00 <Vanhayes> so that is what that button does
23:01 <spidey> they're gay
23:01 <spidey> literally
23:01 <Vanhayes> still good music
23:01 <Vanhayes> homophobe
23:01 <Vanhayes> heh
23:01 * Vanhayes is listening to 5. Beastie Boys - Brass Monkey
23:01 * wrtlprnft is away: Directions: Squeeze out and gel. Lather on your body. Rinse off. Be Clean. Smell Great
23:01 <spidey> lucifer isn't in his server
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> yes I am
23:01 <spidey> bah
23:01 <spidey> wrong server
23:01 * Vanhayes is listening to 6. The Band - The Weight
23:02 <Vanhayes> thats a good song
23:03 * Vanhayes will test out his lagg
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23:38 <wrtlprnft> ok, cya, preparing for teh flight
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09:18 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5554 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:
09:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Added handling for names that appear within color codes in name hilighting.
09:18 <armabot> armagetronad: This still isn't perfect, it will still get confused with "invalid" codes like "0x000xff", but in the worst case it should just not hilight the name, it shoudln't screw everything up.
09:36 <wrtlprnft> to the point of screwing everything up: my timezones on all forums, the wiki etc are screwed :(
09:37 <luke-jr_> wtf?
09:37 <luke-jr_> how does the game affect wiki or forums?
16:38 <wrtlprnft> not at all?
16:38 <spidey> lol
16:38 <wrtlprnft> flying from winnipeg to munich does
16:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: your server's clock is going about 7 minutes fast
16:41 <wrtlprnft> err, nvm
16:42 <wrtlprnft> guru3: your server's (the wiki one's) clock is going about 7 minutes fast
16:45 <guru3> it does that
16:45 <guru3> pick up speed
16:45 <wrtlprnft> ntp-client?
16:46 <guru3> i dunno
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16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5555 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: rebeautified and removed debug output, sorry
16:47 <Brooky> Hi all
16:48 <wrtlprnft> yay i got number 5555
16:48 <guru3> lo brooky
16:48 <wrtlprnft> hi Brooky
16:48 <Brooky> what you mean number 5555?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> 16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5555
16:48 <wrtlprnft> /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: rebeautified and removed debug output, sorry
16:49 <Brooky> what is that?
16:49 <luke-jr_> guru3: wrtlprnft: ntpd > ntp-client =p
16:49 <wrtlprnft> that's revistion 5555 of arma
16:49 <luke-jr_> Brooky: 5555 changes to Armagetron since the beginning
16:49 <wrtlprnft> well, since the import
16:49 <Brooky> ok
16:50 <wrtlprnft> and i made the 5555th :)
16:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no, since the beginning
16:50 <Brooky> i didnt have a clue at first lol.
16:50 <luke-jr_> rev 3 is the first import of armagetron by z-man into the original project
16:50 <wrtlprnft> what's rev 2?
16:50 <luke-jr_> the only history we don't have is Walls
16:50 <luke-jr_> rev 2 is like mkdir /trunk or whatever =p
16:51 <guru3> lol
16:52 <wrtlprnft> and it's my 138th change
16:52 <wrtlprnft> well, the 138th change i committed myself
16:52 <luke-jr_> I'm sorry
16:52 <luke-jr_> I lies
16:52 <luke-jr_> Lied*
16:52 <luke-jr_> rev 2 was z-man's original import
16:53 <guru3> hrhr
16:53 <luke-jr_> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=2&view=rev
16:53 <luke-jr_> 5 years ago
16:53 <guru3> ouch
16:53 <guru3> so old
16:53 <luke-jr_> rev 1 was mkdir /armagetronad{,/{trunk,branches,tags}}
16:54 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=0&view=rev
16:54 <luke-jr_> rev 0 was 6 weeks & 2 days ago =p
16:54 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=-1&view=rev
16:54 <wrtlprnft> :D
16:54 <guru3> :o
16:54 <luke-jr_> lol
16:54 <guru3> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?view=rev&rev=666
16:55 <luke-jr_> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=42&view=rev
16:55 <luke-jr_> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=777&view=rev
16:55 <luke-jr_> Todo list listing things todo and things I have changed in the src dor that I have uploaded previous to this.
16:55 <luke-jr_> wtf guru3 ?
16:55 <guru3> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?view=rev&rev=1999
16:56 <guru3> bad typo it seems
16:56 * wrtlprnft waits for 5556 links to be posted into this channel
16:57 <luke-jr_> Melt away pounds with Hoodia!
16:57 <guru3> hoodia wtf
16:57 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?view=rev&rev=5545
16:58 <wrtlprnft> very bad typo
16:58 <guru3> wtf
17:00 <spidey> luke ?
17:06 <wrtlprnft> especially, it's a very interesting change
17:06 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php?r1=5545&r2=5544&pathrev=5545
17:06 <wrtlprnft> you don
17:06 <wrtlprnft> 't make a commit for that methinks
17:08 <guru3> Oo
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17:53 * philippeqc_ thinks there is some kind of bug in the version 0.2.8.2 I've compiled ;)
17:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:00 <philippeqc_> well, sooner today, when I loaded a map, I got a segfault.
18:02 <philippeqc_> now when I launch it from gdb, kde logs me out
18:02 <philippeqc_> get ready
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18:02 <philippeqc_> my, that is getting more fun everytime
18:02 <philippeqc_> and I did recompile it from scratch (0.2.8.2)
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18:05 <philippeqc_> so, refetching the config/settings.cfg didnt help
18:07 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc_: don't go into fullscreen mode with gdb
18:07 <philippeqc_> how do I prefent it
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18:12 <philippeqc_> so it wants to start fullscreen even by itself
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18:21 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I want ramps! >:p
18:22 <luke-jr_> as for fullscreen, just un-fullscreen outside gdb and exit cleanly to save
18:22 <philippeqc> no, no ramps
18:22 <philippeqc> jumping and things? nope, not in the game
18:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: complile with debug mode on
18:22 <philippeqc> how do I start the game in windowed mode?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> then fullscreen will be completely disabled
18:22 <philippeqc> cant start it.
18:22 <philippeqc> it crash as I launch
18:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:22 <philippeqc> o ok wrtlprnft
18:23 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: RAMPS
18:23 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: no
18:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you really don't like 5544 do you?
18:23 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: if you don't, I will;
18:23 <philippeqc> jumping != this game
18:23 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: ramps != jumping
18:24 <philippeqc> so if you want to use a term in a way I understand it, DEFINE it
18:24 <luke-jr_> ...
18:24 <luke-jr_> the maps defines a horizontal wall instead of a vertical one =p
18:25 <philippeqc> can you drive on it?
18:25 <luke-jr_> where z=0 on one end
18:25 <luke-jr_> yes
18:25 <philippeqc> its a field
18:25 <luke-jr_> exactly
18:25 <luke-jr_> so ramps =p
18:25 <philippeqc> fields arent ramps
18:25 <luke-jr_> ramps are fields
18:25 <philippeqc> you said ramps
18:25 <luke-jr_> I want ramps
18:26 <philippeqc> ramps in 3 easy steps:
18:26 <philippeqc> a) make some teleport code
18:26 <philippeqc> b) fix the connectors
18:26 <philippeqc> c) support muliple grids,
18:26 <philippeqc> d) connnect them with connectors
18:26 <luke-jr_> teleport != ramp
18:26 <philippeqc> e) fix all the camera code
18:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, go do that
18:27 <spidey> and if you jump to high and hit the ground to hard,you use all your rubber and go boom
18:27 <spidey> ?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> you'll go crazy with e
18:27 <philippeqc> teleport is needed to allow a cycle to move to a new location anywhere, be it to a new field, or a different side of the same field
18:27 <luke-jr_> why not just add z to eCoord
18:27 <philippeqc> you need teleport ;)
18:27 <luke-jr_> and go from there
18:27 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it's tCoord...
18:27 <philippeqc> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
18:27 <wrtlprnft> and I'd say we'd need different types
18:27 <wrtlprnft> a tCoord3D
18:27 <philippeqc> no z
18:27 <philippeqc> never z
18:27 <philippeqc> z is bad
18:27 * luke-jr_ has a semi-working implementation of 3D tCoord
18:27 <philippeqc> on so many levels
18:28 <luke-jr_> just needs collision detection
18:28 <philippeqc> the WHOLE game occurs on a plane. You have to keep it that way. On a plane. If you move from one plane to another, that is ok
18:29 <philippeqc> but it is never in 3d space,
18:29 <luke-jr_> that can change
18:29 <wrtlprnft> uh, the camera is
18:29 <philippeqc> if you need to change that, then you are missing the point of the game
18:29 <wrtlprnft> and the camera needs collision detection if you don't want it to go through walls
18:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it already goes thru walls
18:30 <wrtlprnft> you can disable that
18:30 <philippeqc> gonna try to start the compiled thingy again. hold your posts
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18:30 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: planes exist within 3D space
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18:30 <philippeqc> grr
18:30 <wrtlprnft> let me guess
18:30 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: planes exist within 3D space
18:30 <wrtlprnft> it crashed?
18:30 <philippeqc> yes
18:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, what's rsync?
18:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: ............
18:31 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia rsync
18:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.74 seconds: Rsync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync>; Rsync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync_algorithm>; Rsync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RsyncX>; Wikipedia:Database download - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
18:31 <philippeqc> with DEBUGLEVEL=3 ../configure, it started in fullscreen
18:31 <wrtlprnft> err, it shouldn't
18:31 <wrtlprnft> delete user.cfg?
18:31 <wrtlprnft> and make clean, of course
18:32 <philippeqc> flushed the directory holding the compiled objects
18:32 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:33 <wrtlprnft> and, where exactly did you make code changes? nowhere?
18:33 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: plane orientation is not the question. make them upside down if you like, but the play always occurs on the surface of the plane
18:33 <philippeqc> ie: locally 2D
18:33 <philippeqc> no z
18:33 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: what about cylinders?
18:33 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8.2/armagetronad ed
18:34 <wrtlprnft> if that really fails for you that'd be grave
18:34 <philippeqc> cylinders are a plane that is curled
18:34 <wrtlprnft> why don't you check out 0.2.8?
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the thing leading to 0.2.8.3
18:34 <philippeqc> ed is having a crash with 0.2.8.2 with a map I made
18:34 <wrtlprnft> does it occur on a dedicated server?
18:35 <philippeqc> this morning I was able to run it, now it crash upon launch, even though I checked it out anew
18:35 <philippeqc> he said it crashed the dedic server
18:35 * wrtlprnft knows nothing about the issue and is just trying to help with general tips
18:35 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: then analyze the crash there
18:35 <wrtlprnft> at least the server can't log you out of KDE
18:35 <philippeqc> luke: read the stuff I wrote about world and things. Yes its long. When you are done, come back to me
18:36 <philippeqc> hummm, wisdom there!
18:39 <philippeqc> luke: if you want ramps, you need fields, which need connectors, which need teleport.
18:45 <luke-jr_> Shrug
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18:45 <luke-jr_> it'd be faster to do it with 3D =p
18:45 <luke-jr_> bbl
18:46 <philippeqc> false
18:46 <philippeqc> you just run into a whole new range of troubles
18:46 <philippeqc> with the additional benefit of cutting down an array of possible usage
18:48 <philippeqc> going out, got a head acke
18:54 <luke-jr_> not really, the only new trouble would be implementing a 3D collision detection algo
18:54 <luke-jr_> and rendering the field in 3D properly, but that's a problem for both techniques
19:15 <spidey> hey luke,i do have ssh to my server
19:16 <spidey> i didn't see where i have to enable it in the cpanel O_o
19:26 <luke-jr_> O.o
19:26 <luke-jr_> ok, so it works w/ my user now?
19:27 <luke-jr_> nope
19:28 <spidey> not ssh
19:29 <spidey> but rsync isn't on the server
19:29 <spidey> i asked the host
19:29 <spidey> :/
19:29 <luke-jr_> that can be fixed
19:29 <spidey> lol
19:29 <luke-jr_> how can I login?
19:29 <spidey> i'll pm the user/pass just don't get the account suspended :p
19:30 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
19:30 <McSpiddles> you get that? O_o
19:32 <luke-jr_> ya
19:33 <luke-jr_> it has rsync
19:33 <luke-jr_> =p
19:33 <McSpiddles> O_o
19:34 <luke-jr_> rsync is everywhere
19:34 <McSpiddles> lol
19:35 <luke-jr_> is it a vhost?
19:35 <McSpiddles> shared ip
19:35 <luke-jr_> so yes
19:36 <McSpiddles> yea
19:36 * luke-jr_ ponders
19:36 <McSpiddles> oh
19:36 <luke-jr_> can you add hostnames to it?
19:36 <McSpiddles> 5000gb bandwith transfer
19:36 <McSpiddles> subdomains?
19:36 <luke-jr_> maybe
19:37 <luke-jr_> like
19:37 <luke-jr_> s.mirror.aabeta.dashjr.org
19:37 <luke-jr_> actually
19:37 <McSpiddles> i can make a subdomain and point it to that
19:37 <luke-jr_> s.distfiles.aabeta.dashjr.org
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19:38 <McSpiddles> http://aa.www.fallin-angels.com
19:38 <luke-jr_> need it to work as s.distfiles.aabeta.dashjr.org
19:39 <McSpiddles> mmm
19:39 <McSpiddles> can only do redirects from cpanel
19:39 <McSpiddles> the domain account my host has
19:39 <McSpiddles> cause they bought it :p
19:40 * luke-jr_ ponders
19:41 <McSpiddles> Add Redirect:
19:41 <McSpiddles> http://www.fallin-angels.com/ http://
19:41 <McSpiddles> i hate cpanel :/
19:48 <luke-jr_> maybe ask them to add s.distfiles.aabeta.dashjr.org to your vhost
19:48 <luke-jr_> if not, I can probably figure out a not-so-nice way to work around it
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19:49 <PORTUGAL> :D :D :D
19:49 <luke-jr_> ...
19:50 <PORTUGAL> \m/
19:50 <McSpiddles> k
19:50 <McSpiddles> i will next time he comes online
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19:51 <McSpiddles> oh
19:52 <McSpiddles> Addon Domains will not be functional unless the domain name is registered with a valid registrar and configured to point to our DNS servers.
19:52 <McSpiddles> will that do?
19:56 <McSpiddles> assistive_guy: Hello I need your help. My friend and I are not able to transfer a file. I just wanted to check if gets downloaded on other PC. Could you please check if it gets downloaded on your system. May I send a small program to you for trial.
19:56 <McSpiddles> don't you just love people always trying to trojan you
19:56 <wrtlprnft> #u
19:56 <armabot> spidey: 19:56:48 up 70 days, 20:00, 6 users, load average: 0.05, 0.29, 0.55
19:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my rsync job obviously finished if the uptime is down
19:57 <wrtlprnft> that means i can play arma :D
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> yay
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> armagetron works
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> and it
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> 's more fun than I thought it would be
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> see, I started to get bored with it
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> well
19:58 <[NP]Tangent> not when I had to defend myself against locutus
19:59 <McSpiddles> acid@server [~]# uptime
19:59 <McSpiddles> 18:59:00 up 8 days, 21 min, 2 users, load average: 0.22, 0.16, 0.17
19:59 <wrtlprnft> lame :D
19:59 <McSpiddles> heh
20:00 <McSpiddles> model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor
20:00 <McSpiddles> stepping : 1
20:00 <McSpiddles> cpu MHz : 1016.411
20:00 <McSpiddles> MemTotal: 998592 kB
20:01 <[NP]Tangent> 12:01:18 up 12:42, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.58, 0.51
20:02 <[NP]Tangent> os[Linux 2.6.15-25-386 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz @ 598MHz] mem[Physical : 249MB, 22.1% free] disk[Total : 35.97GB, 64.20% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000]] sound[ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4]
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20:06 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:06 <[NP]Tangent> yes I know
20:06 <[NP]Tangent> my laptop sucks
20:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm, does anyone having any experience with sharing the same home dir over NFS?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> while using multiple KDE sessions at the same time
20:19 <McSpiddles> mdir
20:19 <McSpiddles> to make a new dir right?
20:19 <McSpiddles> nvm
20:19 <McSpiddles> forgot the k
20:19 <McSpiddles> and ftp is being gay
20:21 <McSpiddles> The installation can not be completed:
20:21 <McSpiddles> - No valid directory name provided.
20:21 <McSpiddles> omg
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20:26 <[NP]Tangent> neat
20:26 <[NP]Tangent> Ubuntu's package manager has a WEP key crack program in it
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20:34 <joda_bot> #notes
20:34 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, cusco, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, spidey, and SuPeRTaRD.
20:34 <joda_bot> hi all
20:34 <wrtlprnft> hi joda_bot
20:38 <joda_bot> hi wrtlprnft
20:38 <wrtlprnft> 42 more compiles and i'll be in bed...
20:38 <joda_bot> ?
20:39 <joda_bot> ah updating gentoo ?
20:39 <wrtlprnft> emergging xorg 7, and the fan is making terrible noises
20:42 * wrtlprnft wonders why e2fsprogs has t be updated for xorg 7
20:42 <[NP]Tangent> alright
20:42 <[NP]Tangent> it's time for SWAMPLAND
20:42 <wrtlprnft> especially since the only ext2 filesystem on my computer is the boot partition
20:42 <[NP]Tangent> :D
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 29 packages left :O
20:46 <philippeqc> luke said "and rendering the field in 3D properly, but that's a problem for both techniques"
20:46 <philippeqc> not true
20:47 <philippeqc> it is very easy to do logic on a 2D grid, requireing nearly no change to the current engine, past the need to support multiple grids
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5556 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj:
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * Setup SDKROOT_{ppc,i386}, MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET_{ppc,i386}, and GCC_VERSION_{ppc,i386}.
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * Release config compiles a universal binary, Testing config compiles optimized for current arch, Debug stays the same.
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: MacOS/Rakefile:
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * Works with release and dedicated sources now
20:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * Run `svn update .. && rake update_version` to update the game version
20:47 <philippeqc> and for the displaying, it is only a matter of rotating what has to be presented to the user
20:48 <philippeqc> wich is EXTREMELY simple to do in opengl
20:48 <cusco> portugal
20:48 <cusco> portugal portugal portugal
20:48 <cusco> lala
20:48 <cusco> 19:48 <armabot> Sent 1 day, 15 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> GO PEOPLE EATERS!
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #spam
20:48 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
20:48 * wrtlprnft hides behind a tree
20:48 <cusco> PORTUGAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL
20:48 <philippeqc> so playing on the face of a cube becomes simply, internally, playing on 6 fields that are linked together with connectors, and displaying them rotated to each others
20:49 <philippeqc> Go People Eaters
20:49 <wrtlprnft> what about playing on a sphere?
20:49 * philippeqc feel like a vilan in a Harry Potter novel
20:49 * Lucifer_arma wants to enter the People Eaters into the World Cup
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> that way, even if we lose, we can at least eat some of the other teams :)
20:49 <philippeqc> sphere => 20 triable shape is easy
20:50 <philippeqc> true sphere is another thing
20:50 <philippeqc> o yeah, and it can be interpreted both as canibalism AND homosexuality ;)
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> that makes it doubly-good :)
20:51 <philippeqc> depending on the order you do it, you can even imply necrophilia!
20:51 <philippeqc> Hummmm, necrophilia
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's not mealophilia?
20:52 <philippeqc> sesquipedalophobia: fear of long words
20:52 -!- madmax|pt [n=MadMaX@bl4-197-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
20:52 <madmax|pt> what about the idea of the high-level, regular matches?
20:52 <cusco> madmax|pt: !!!
20:52 <cusco> portugal
20:52 <cusco> lalala!
20:52 <madmax|pt> this damn sucks sometimes
20:53 <cusco> ale ale ricardo ale
20:53 <madmax|pt> hi cusco
20:53 <philippeqc> yeah! I want to be a level 3 tkiller
20:53 <madmax|pt> eheh cusco
20:53 <cusco> lol
20:53 * Lucifer_arma feels like he just walked into 3 conversations
20:53 <madmax|pt> lol
20:53 <cusco> whats the hi level?
20:53 <madmax|pt> like, no noobs
20:53 * philippeqc decided to pick and mix, less brain effort for me
20:54 * Lucifer_arma applies philippeqc's idea
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> how about a server where we eat the noobs?
20:54 <Lackadaisical> but who do you invite?
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> anyone you don't eat
20:54 <madmax|pt> Z-man's ladle was sucking with all that color stuff, and bugfarm sucking too
20:54 <madmax|pt> with TK'r'us
20:54 <philippeqc> o yeah, and there be a sing at the entrance of bugFortress, a bit like the sing of carnival rides, saying "you must be this smart to play here", and would automatically kick ban anyone bearing the markings of a clan.
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> save a cow: eat a noob!
20:55 <madmax|pt> Lack, maybe the "well known" good players
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> right, because everyone knows being in a clan is dumb!
20:55 <madmax|pt> even if not many
20:55 <madmax|pt> even 4 on 4, it would be much nicer
20:55 <philippeqc> yes
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, then you just setup a server that you only tell certain people about...
20:56 <Lackadaisical> mmm yeah and some place to set dates
20:56 <philippeqc> madmax|pt: there is setting for that. TALK_TO_MASTER_SERVER iirc
20:56 <madmax|pt> i know...
20:56 <madmax|pt> but i can't setup a serv, at least with a decent ping
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> TALK_TO_MASTER 0 # this will keep noobs out of your server
20:57 <madmax|pt> but sometimes there are some empty fort servers
20:57 * philippeqc wouldnt join a server that accepts people like me
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> of course, 'killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated' will keep ALL the noobs and ALL the bad players out of your server
20:57 <philippeqc> madmax|pt: then why not drag your buddies there?
20:58 <madmax|pt> thats what im saying, but would be cool, the idea of the 1 match at a fixed time a week
20:58 <madmax|pt> like we were talking on the wiki
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, you mean like league play?
20:58 <Lackadaisical> madmax we can open a wiki at pbwiki.com and just tell some people about it
20:58 <madmax|pt> im cool with that
20:59 <madmax|pt> Lucifer_arma, not even that, just a some GOOD match... i still remember the match with team SS
20:59 <madmax|pt> that was a very good one
20:59 <madmax|pt> specially the part of "lots of alive players"
21:00 <madmax|pt> rounds lasting long, with lots of players
21:01 <Lackadaisical> heh that match has almost become some kind of legend
21:02 <madmax|pt> ...which brings up the "did the spoon actually end" issue
21:02 <Lackadaisical> it didnt
21:03 <madmax|pt> well, i know
21:03 <madmax|pt> sarcasm...
21:03 <madmax|pt> lol
21:03 <Lackadaisical> but anyway.. i already had that pbwiki idea before and there already is a pbwiki up but i abandoned the idea
21:04 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5557 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (MacOS/Rakefile README-Subversion): Updated URL to download libraries for Mac OS X development
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21:08 <philippeqc> haha!
21:08 <philippeqc> its not aa that crashed kde
21:08 <philippeqc> its anything opengl
21:08 <madmax|pt> what? you opened tux racer?
21:08 <madmax|pt> (is that gl too?)
21:08 <philippeqc> glxgears
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21:11 * joda_bot missed something probably
21:11 <joda_bot> (21:03:22) joda_bot: Lackadaisical: madmax|pt: Just make a wiki entry about the time when you meet, and invite players to matches on demand
21:11 <joda_bot> (21:03:44) joda_bot: I guess if with enough high class ppl around, it will work out
21:11 <joda_bot> Did those get throu ?
21:15 <philippeqc> brb
21:15 <[NP]Tangent> yeeeeaaaah
21:15 <[NP]Tangent> just won a match on swampland
21:15 <[NP]Tangent> it's nice to play aa again
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21:16 <Lackadaisical> hey
21:16 <Lackadaisical> no those didnt come throught
21:17 <[NP]Tangent> lucifer around?
21:17 <madmax|pt> at least 20 minutes ago
21:17 <[NP]Tangent> :(
21:17 <[NP]Tangent> I was gonna ask him about ressurecting The Crack Pipe
21:18 <Lackadaisical> joda_bot idk why but i think i would prefer a private wiki
21:19 <Lackadaisical> i guess i wouldn't want to tell someone who joined the game that we'd rather have someone else taking that spot because the other guy is better
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21:20 <philippeqc> glxgears is back Baby!
21:21 <philippeqc> i did an update today, seems it messed up nvidia's driver
21:31 <philippeqc> what is the branch 0.3 supposed to be again? is it like the odd numbering for linux (kernel)?
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> just came back
21:37 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:37 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: the server could be private (rotating ports/IPs) and you just tell those invited the current settings
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> [NP]Tangent: hmmm, Swamplords Teams is the Crack Pipe, isn't it? :)
21:37 <joda_bot> via Forum PMs ... Email whatever
21:37 * McSpiddles hopes ws doesn't have to face Lackadaisicals team o_O
21:37 <Lackadaisical> mm yeah, could be easier on a private wiki
21:42 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: how about a forum subgroup with a "private" forum for that group on armagetronad.net
21:42 <joda_bot> The moderator just should pay attention that only date specific topics are posted
21:43 <joda_bot> and no "sub-forum" group is created
21:43 <Lackadaisical> that already exists
21:43 <joda_bot> Where ? ;)
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's private! :)
21:46 <Lackadaisical> guess you can see it lucifer?
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> eh? beats me, which one is it?
21:46 <Lackadaisical> secret!
21:46 * Lucifer_arma ignores the private forums
21:46 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: Lackadaisical thinkgs It's on armagetronad.net:)
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I see it now, yeah
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> I guess joda_bot just hasn't been invited to it
21:47 <Lackadaisical> no it was in the time of the armagoshdarn haydays
21:47 <joda_bot> No, I guess I don't want to ;)
21:47 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: I guess instead of a private place, make the dates and discussions about it public
21:48 <joda_bot> but just tell all players via email shortly before it starts the server ...
21:48 * Lucifer_arma doesn't like private forums
21:48 <joda_bot> That way you will have nearly no noobs
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> I already gave two solutions for keeping noobs out of a server
21:48 <joda_bot> and you'll have no "subculture"
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> TALK_TO_MASTER 0 # this will keep noobs out
21:49 <philippeqc> good night
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated # this will keep whatever noobs miht make it in out, too
21:49 <Lackadaisical> good night
21:49 <philippeqc> see ya 2morrow
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> 'night philippeqc
21:49 <Lackadaisical> what does that do lucifer?
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21:49 <Lucifer_arma> kills the server :)
21:49 <joda_bot> :-P
21:50 * Lucifer_arma goes to tag the 0.3.0 release
21:50 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: did anyone ever try to organize a open good player session ?
21:51 <joda_bot> I guess if you get 12 good players together at a time, and if required also host a separate server on the master server list, then not many noobs will join
21:51 <Lackadaisical> an open session for everyone where only good players played?
21:52 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: Yeah, something like that
21:52 <joda_bot> Just get x players together and play, for 1h once a week
21:52 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5558 /armagetronad/tags/0.3.0/: Tagging 0.3.0 release
21:52 <z-man> Wooo!
21:52 <z-man> Let's rock!
21:52 <joda_bot> ;-)
21:52 * Lackadaisical rocks out
21:53 <joda_bot> z-man: Umpf... the auto join team feature is still broken :|
21:53 * Lucifer_arma hopes he did the tag right this time :)
21:53 <z-man> joda_bot: in what way?
21:53 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer: we want the original crack pipe back!
21:53 <[NP]Tangent> with all the old maps!
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> ack, all the old maps suck. heh.
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> or rather, I'm tired of them.
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> also, something of not-so-minor significance, supertard asked me to take off all his maps except for one, and I decided that meant to take off all of his maps
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't leave me with very many
21:54 <joda_bot> z-man: atleast my code tried to use server side methods
21:54 <joda_bot> z-man: except if you saw it and fixed it
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> besides which, I want a team server :)
21:54 <joda_bot> haven't been reading svn log lately
21:55 <z-man> No, I didn't fix it myself.
21:55 <madmax|pt> do you guys have international internet traffic limits?
21:55 <joda_bot> hm, I'll check that later then
21:55 <z-man> You mean the bug where several teams where displayed on the client or the team names changed erratically?
21:55 <z-man> It's not critical :)
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> what's an international internet traffic limit?
21:56 <joda_bot> z-man: no I guess that should be fixed
21:56 <joda_bot> z-man: I tried to add "join spectator" and "join autoselected team" to the team menu
21:57 <joda_bot> The problem with join spectator is, that the spectator_ state is not set and the player only joins "null" team
21:57 <z-man> That means he's spectator on servers with AUTO_TEAM 0
21:57 <joda_bot> This mighe be fixed by resolving the ePlayer for the ePlayerNetID and setting that state if the player joins "null"
21:58 <z-man> Too complicated for me now :)
21:58 <madmax|pt> Lucifer, it's when you have a limitation in gigabytes on traffic
21:58 <joda_bot> z-man: that's another problem with that, I did not notice that auto_team state is only server based :|
21:58 <z-man> eh.
21:58 <joda_bot> z-man: yeah, as I said I kind of messed it up
21:58 <joda_bot> ;)
21:58 <z-man> kind of :)
21:59 <z-man> That may explain some of the bug cries I got lately ;)
21:59 <joda_bot> :-P
21:59 <madmax|pt> well, no?
22:00 <joda_bot> I guess the fix for join spectators is just to set "specate_" state
22:00 <joda_bot> and the server will react upon that
22:01 <z-man> Well, "create new team" still works on Bugfarm, just checked.
22:01 <joda_bot> yes, I paid attention to that
22:01 <z-man> "Join autoselected team" just does nothing
22:02 <joda_bot> yes, there is a safety in SetDefaultTeam()
22:02 <z-man> so I'd still say it is non critical. Lucifer_arma? It's of course your call.
22:02 <joda_bot> which prevents the team to be picked by the client
22:02 <z-man> Yeah, I put it there :)
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> tagged, let's go
22:03 <joda_bot> :-)
22:03 <z-man> That funcion should be splitted into a function that does the autoselection and one that does the checks, then the autoselection
22:03 <joda_bot> that's when I became really aware that I tried to used server side code :|
22:03 <Lackadaisical> what do you mean with international?
22:03 <joda_bot> z-man: yeah, sounds good to me
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:04 <z-man> And there should be a new control message type alonside of "create new team" and "join exactly this team"
22:04 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: the build is of course already rolling :)
22:05 <joda_bot> z-man: hm, and the old ID of new team should change to auto ;)
22:06 <z-man> Maybe. Currently, it's doing "create new team and if that's not possible, join anyone".
22:06 <joda_bot> now: NEW = 0
22:06 <joda_bot> JOIN = 1
22:06 <joda_bot> later:
22:06 <joda_bot> AUTO = 0
22:06 <joda_bot> JOIN = 1
22:06 <joda_bot> CREATE = 2
22:07 <joda_bot> that way the only thing old clients lack is the ability to create a team (and they spectator if it fails)
22:07 <z-man> And auto would do what NEW did previously?
22:07 <joda_bot> yes
22:07 <joda_bot> It's like auto currently ;)
22:08 <z-man> Heh.
22:08 <joda_bot> atleast it's create team and auto select otherwise
22:12 * joda_bot bets only european soccer teams will compete for world championship ;)
22:13 * Lackadaisical takes that bet
22:14 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: so you think brasil will win ? ;)
22:15 <Lackadaisical> damn
22:15 <joda_bot> :-P
22:15 <Lackadaisical> this will just wake the soccer-monster called brasil!
22:18 <z-man> brazilla?
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22:19 <joda_bot> does not look good for bugzilla right now ;)
22:20 <Vanhayes> Happy Canada Day everyone
22:20 <z-man> Go Canada!
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, it's canada day
22:21 <Vanhayes> #canada2
22:21 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
22:21 <Vanhayes> heh
22:21 * Lucifer_arma will never look at canadians trash-talking Us nationalism the same way again
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> are those lyrics supposed to be sung to the tune of Oh Christmas Tree?
22:22 <Vanhayes> well Iys ok for anyone but USA to have pride, remeber?
22:22 <Vanhayes> heh no that is our national anthem
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's not how it goes. SEe, it's ok to hate the US if you're trying to win points with someone
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you want votes in France, first thing you do is hate the US
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> or if you want to show that German environmental policy is superior (heh), first thing you have to do is hate the US
22:23 <joda_bot> does the us have any policies left ?
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> policies on what?
22:24 <joda_bot> privacy, environment :)
22:24 * Lucifer_arma notes that Bush said Kyoto didn't go far enough.
22:24 <joda_bot> well, they got terror policies :)
22:24 <joda_bot> so he signed it ?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> he also said it would hurt business
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, he didn't. The US isn't part of the Kyoto treaty
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> and we've been hard-core bashed for it from Europeans, but apparently the UK is the only one serious about it anyway
22:25 <joda_bot> sure ;) the same was said in Germany and now the alternative energy sector is booming ;)
22:25 * Lucifer_arma notes Germany just passed a Bush-like environmental bill
22:25 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: yes they all cheat ;)
22:26 <joda_bot> I guess for the US people higher gas prices will be shocking ... ;)
22:26 <McSpiddles> almost $3 a gallon isn't shocking?
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> how much is gas in Germany?
22:27 <Vanhayes> #g 1 gallon in litres
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> like $6/USD or something?
22:27 <armabot> 1 US gallon = 3.7854118 litres -- The operation succeeded.
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> er
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe Germany's about to enjoy lower gas prices, eh?
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22:29 <z-man> joda_bot: what is MINOR_VERSION supposed to be on 0.3.0? Just .0?
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22:33 <joda_bot> z-man: I set it to the build version
22:33 <joda_bot> I guess make version does the same ?
22:33 <joda_bot> build version = svn armagetronad module
22:33 <joda_bot> version
22:33 <joda_bot> revision
22:34 <Vanhayes> #g 110 *3.7854118
22:34 <armabot> 110 * 3.7854118 = 416.395298 -- The operation succeeded.
22:34 <Vanhayes> er
22:34 <Vanhayes> #g 1.10 *3.7854118
22:34 <armabot> 1.10 * 3.7854118 = 4.16395298 -- The operation succeeded.
22:35 <Vanhayes> pretty sure that is how much we pay for a gallon of gas
22:35 <joda_bot> 5EUR / gallon ... it's 1,329EUR (for benzol?)
22:36 <joda_bot> there are three kinds of gas in germany
22:36 <joda_bot> diesel, benzin and superbenzin (even four perhaps superplus)
22:37 <joda_bot> guess it's not fair to convert euros to usd then
22:37 <Vanhayes> we have 3 too, regular diesel and Supreme
22:37 <joda_bot> because the conversion was at some point done the other way around
22:37 <joda_bot> how do you call regular in english ?
22:37 <joda_bot> regular gas ?
22:37 <joda_bot> or is there another name for it ?
22:38 <Vanhayes> dont usually even call it gas, just "regular
22:38 <Vanhayes> thats what the name is on the pumps
22:38 <Lackadaisical> we have euro95, plus 98, super, diesel, gas (lpg?)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> we just say "gas"
22:39 <Vanhayes> so you only have one kind?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> "gas" means "the cheapest available", which is usually marked Regular at the pump
22:39 <Vanhayes> yes
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> diesel means diesel fuel, obviously
22:39 <joda_bot> at the pump *lol*
22:39 <Vanhayes> ?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> you guys don't pump your own gas?
22:39 <joda_bot> oh ok, Lucifer_arma you aren't talking about the oil pumps in texas ? ;)
22:39 <McSpiddles> benzin = regular
22:39 <Vanhayes> lol
22:40 <Vanhayes> Station pumps
22:40 * joda_bot imagined every texan having his own pump in the backyard ;)
22:40 <McSpiddles> ummm
22:40 <Vanhayes> lol
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that would be Kansas, actually
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> lots of natural gas there, damn near every farmer's got a natural gas pump
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> they take what they need and sell the rest
22:41 <McSpiddles> lol
22:41 <Vanhayes> hmm the Irving down the street used to have full service but no one used it so now there is only self serv
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> full service only exists for people with disabilities and in Oregon
22:42 * Vanhayes might find that funny if he knew anything about oregon
22:42 <[NP]Tangent> we did have a gas station with both self-serve and full service
22:42 <[NP]Tangent> dunno if they still do that though
22:42 * Lucifer_arma notes that in Oregon it's illegal to pump your own gas
22:42 <Vanhayes> ......
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> and the fucking idiots insist on topping off the tank!
22:43 <Vanhayes> so u cant just put $20 in?
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> I nearly punched a guy when he tried to top off the tank in my truck. I said "Are you trying to kill me?"
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> no, you have to pull up and wait for someone to come and pump it for you
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably one of those laws passed to create jobs, I don't know
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> clearly they didn't have safety in mind, considering what the idiots actually try to do
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> a guy wanted to wash my windshield using the same rag he just used to wipe my dipstick
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, it's ok, it won't leave any oil on your windshield"
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22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I tried offering someone $5 to leave my truck alone and let me pump the gas, he said he was afraid he'd get fired if he did that
22:45 <Vanhayes> #last
22:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: [15:45:41] <Lucifer_arma> I tried offering someone $5 to leave my truck alone and let me pump the gas, he said he was afraid he'd get fired if he did that
22:45 <Vanhayes> er
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> #dotdotdot
22:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [15:41:30] <McSpiddles> lol, [15:40:38] <Vanhayes> lol, [15:40:10] <Vanhayes> lol, [15:39:31] <Vanhayes> yes, [15:27:06] <Lucifer_arma> heh, [15:21:21] <Vanhayes> heh, [15:15:18] <joda_bot> :-P, [15:08:07] <joda_bot> yes, [15:03:17] <joda_bot> :-), [14:59:36] <joda_bot> :-P, [14:58:48] <z-man> eh., [14:52:47] <joda_bot> ;-), [14:49:50] <joda_bot> :-P, [14:37:22] <McSpiddles> O_o, (50 more messages)
22:46 <Vanhayes> so would you get a fine if you pumped your own gas?
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, nobody ever let me find out
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I timed it differently last time I went through there, I filled up right before leaving washington and then pushed as hard as I could for Idaho
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I only wound up having to fill up 2-3 times in Oregon
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22:48 <Brooky> Hi
22:48 <Vanhayes> hello
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> salut!
22:48 <Brooky> lol
22:50 <madmax|pt> Ol�!
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm restringing my guitar
22:51 <Lackadaisical> :O
22:51 <Brooky> Ok
22:51 <Brooky> i play guitar
22:51 <Brooky> electric that is
22:51 <Brooky> http://80.73.221.135/music/musicman.mp3
22:51 <Vanhayes> wo Huge thunder storm just came
22:51 <Lackadaisical> :O:O:O:O
22:51 <Brooky> that is mint.
22:51 * Lackadaisical lost his bet
22:52 <Brooky> lol
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> brazil lost?
22:52 <Lackadaisical> brasil lost
22:52 <Lackadaisical> yea
22:52 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: but you'll win in tron , I guess ;)
22:52 <guru3> ouch
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> my wife wears a brasil
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22:52 <spidey> O_o
22:52 <Brooky> brb
22:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
22:52 -!- Vanhayes was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [spamming isn't nice you know]
22:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
22:53 <madmax|pt> o_O
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22:53 <spidey> lol
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:53 <Lackadaisical> guess germany is gonna win now
22:53 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: I won't mind france if they play this nice as today
22:54 <joda_bot> Germany was quite lucky to win ;)
22:54 <madmax|pt> well, portugal vs france
22:54 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185034.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> #help spam
22:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell [echo $randomNick] enjoy the spam".
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add spamtank "later tell guru3 enjoy the spam"
22:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:55 <guru3> >:(
22:55 <Vanhayes_> wow this storm came out of nowhere
22:55 <guru3> that's not funny
22:55 <guru3> undo it Lucifer_arma
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:55 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: as england is already elimated I guess the Germans can loose now, without contradicting the Wembly Curse :-P
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove spamtank
22:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:56 <Vanhayes_> #realchatlogs
22:56 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
22:57 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: where will we chat for the laddle ?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> nasty thunderstorm coming here, too, it looks like
22:58 <Lackadaisical> isnt 2020 gonna make a server?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> dark, evil clouds all over
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> ladle hasn't started yet?
22:58 <Lackadaisical> we cant find one though
22:58 <Lackadaisical> lots of people are in zmans ladle fortress now
22:59 <Vanhayes_> 2020's T-room is up
23:00 <Lackadaisical> ok
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23:01 <Vanhayes> #last
23:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:00:43] <Lackadaisical> ok
23:01 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: 2020 T room on the master server list of tron
23:01 <Lackadaisical> yeah i m there right now
23:01 <Lackadaisical> i was
23:03 <madmax|pt> only team captains
23:04 <madmax|pt> i dont think AW will have enough
23:04 <madmax|pt> players
23:05 <madmax|pt> are you playing van?
23:07 <Vanhayes> maybe, looks like canada is going to be very wet
23:07 <Vanhayes> #last
23:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:07:32] <Vanhayes> maybe, looks like canada is going to be very wet
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> my guitar always looks so nice when it's freshly cleaned :)
23:09 <Vanhayes> #last
23:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:08:18] <Lucifer_arma> my guitar always looks so nice when it's freshly cleaned :)
23:09 -!- flea [n=flea@user-0c8hpi2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:09 <flea> yoz
23:09 <Vanhayes> hello
23:11 <flea> i have some moviepacks for display on my site
23:11 <flea> not finished but a work in progress to let others have an opinion
23:11 <flea> to be released this month
23:11 <flea> i have posted on sd's site
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
23:28 * madmax|pt says FUCK
23:29 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, is the server full?
23:29 <madmax|pt> it is
23:29 <Vanhayes> damn
23:30 <Vanhayes> it is 8 on 8
23:30 <madmax|pt> did the match start?
23:30 <Vanhayes> if u see me get disconnected join in
23:30 <madmax|pt> crash?
23:31 <Vanhayes> bad connection
23:31 <madmax|pt> damnit, you could have waited a few more mins
23:32 <Vanhayes> we havent started yet
23:32 <Vanhayes> still warming up
23:36 <madmax|pt> but are you in the game?
23:36 <Vanhayes> yes
23:36 <Vanhayes> we have just started
23:36 * madmax|pt says fuck again
23:39 <Vanhayes> 50 40 foe us
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23:40 <Brooky> g2g guys
23:40 <Brooky> bye
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23:43 <madmax|pt> im wondering if one of the "temp" players could have let me in, but whatever
23:46 <Vanhayes> max go in now
23:48 <madmax|pt> full!?
23:48 <Vanhayes> ya I got reconnected
23:48 <Vanhayes> ill leave after this match u can play final ok?
23:49 <Vanhayes> we won the first
23:49 <madmax|pt> why are you leaving?
23:54 <Vanhayes> well technilly im a pool member not AW so u can have my spot
23:55 <madmax|pt> and what about the "temp" ones?? they're not even on a team
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23:59 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, join now
23:59 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, join now
23:59 <Mkbkd> hum hum hum SL (former fe) vs LoD. SL won ~)
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