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Log from 2006-06-11:
--- Day changed Sun Jun 11 2006
02:13 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873896.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
02:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning everyone
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04:15  * Lucifer_arma is back.
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05:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: MirrorX appears to be MIA, so it's removed from fetch.php for now
07:06 <spidey> woot
07:06 <spidey> bbl,on my way home
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08:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, thanks
09:02 <spidey_> FINALLY!
09:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: back home?
09:09  * wrtlprnft is amazed: spidey_ gets a chance for having some real life, instead he hangs around some old modem all day and is happy as hell to get back home
09:15 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/what.php
09:15 <wrtlprnft> omg, I'm never pasting in there again
09:15 <wrtlprnft> > Keep in mind that any posts to the public pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/) are considered to be placed into the public domain.
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10:05 <Lucifer_arma> "I'm better than you".
10:05  * Lucifer_arma loves arrogant people, really.
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> if I didn't love arrogant people, I couldn't love myself, now could I?
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10:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: looks like I'm not getting email notifications from the forums now, is it just me or is it affecting everybody?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: no errors, like it normally gets when email doesn't work
10:23 <guru3> i don't know
10:23 <guru3> cause i don't get them myself
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11:30 -!- spidey_ is now known as Spidey
11:38 <Spidey> test
11:38 <Spidey> #ping
11:38 <armabot> pong
11:50  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know what he wants to do with his server this time
12:11 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> hi philippeqc 
12:12 <philippeqc> hello
12:13 <philippeqc> he! was it you, incognito, who told me that "cycle size was a good idea"?
12:13 <philippeqc> like last weekend
12:14 <philippeqc> or rather "you where right about cycle width"
12:20 <philippeqc> z-man: you seem on a rool of experimentation. 
12:21 <z-man> Hehe, yeah.
12:21 <philippeqc> first cycle width, then break-away speed.
12:21 <z-man> No, I was rubble.
12:21 <z-man> (got the idea when Lucifer_arma mistyped "in trouble" as "int rouble")
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> that why you asked why I accepted the poll?  ;)
12:22 <philippeqc> what will be next
12:22 <z-man> so now im actuall "int ruouble;" or just Rubble.
12:22 <z-man> You kickvoted me? :)
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> I accepted it :)
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> something told me you weren't just some random noob, and I thought it would be fun :)
12:22 <philippeqc> 'tis dangerous to kick vote someone who can code you out of the game ;)
12:23  * Lucifer_arma needs to think up a new name again, heh
12:23 <z-man> Well, my GF was browsing the web, so my Lag made me act like a goddam noob
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I even checked ping to see if it could be definitively you, so I was at least partially on to you, heh
12:23  * philippeqc wonders at the type of pages z-man's gf is browsing to need so much bandwidth.
12:23 <philippeqc> ;)
12:23 <z-man> We only have low bandwidth :)
12:24 <z-man> And a 266 Mhz PC as router...
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> she browses text-only pages made in 1994 and his ping shoots to 1000
12:24 <z-man> along that lines, yes.
12:24  * Lucifer_arma needs to stop nibbling the inside of his cheeks, that stuff hurts when you put mouthwash in there!
12:24 <philippeqc> humm, time to shell 12 euros for a router maybe?
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> a router that only has a 266mhz microprocessor in it?
12:25 <z-man> Bah, that wouldn't improve things much
12:25 <philippeqc> naa, must be the bandwidth that is limiting
12:25 <z-man> I could mess with the QOS bits.
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> my 2 year old can take his shirts off now, that's neat
12:26  * z-man is off for dinner
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> he probably could for awhile, he was just hiding the fact from me
12:26  * philippeqc confuse the internal bandwidth and cpu need router between multi-nets and router to modem ;)
12:27 <philippeqc> watch out, you'll have a streaker during the summer!
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> all small kids are streakers :)
12:28  * Lucifer_arma goes to play some fortress
12:28 <philippeqc> yeah, but now he finally figured out how to do it
12:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you got my armabot message?
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12:47 <philippeqc> yes
12:47 <philippeqc> thanks for the note
12:48 <wrtlprnft> yw
12:48 <wrtlprnft> just figured it out by random and thought you might wanna know that
12:48 <wrtlprnft> *found it out
12:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is left out in the c++ annotations :(
12:50 <philippeqc> I had actually found that about set. But yours has an example and avoid subclassing shared_ptr (I was trying that)
12:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:51 <philippeqc> and FooPtrOps will save me lots of work. Didnt know it needed 2 method.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't need both
12:51 <wrtlprnft> brb
12:52 <philippeqc> that explains why my ::operator< for my comp wasnt called. It is not in the struct.
12:53 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you only need one I think, but that class is used in different spots IIRC and only one is needed
12:53 <wrtlprnft> per spot
12:53 <wrtlprnft> but it doesn't hurt to define them all :)
12:54 <philippeqc> well, I only had one, and it wasnt the one called ;)
12:54  * wrtlprnft thinks you'll figure it out :)
12:57 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034167138.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
13:03  * Lucifer_arma loves knee-jerk reactions
13:04  * Spidey is a knee-jerk
13:05 <Vanhayes> what is a knee-jerk reaction?
13:07 <[NP]Tangent> hey
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> would one of you guys mind testing something for me?
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> in another server window, /server tangentirc.gotdns.com
13:08 <[NP]Tangent> just gotta see if people can connect there
13:10 <wrtlprnft> I can join
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> a knee-jerk reaction is when someone shows up to fortress, plays two rounds, and then declares how much they hate the change.  :)
13:12 <wrtlprnft> aka psyko
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's usually the result of a change being different enough to disrupt the old order of things, and a natural resistence to learning new things
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> people most likely to exhibit knee-jerk reactions are the same people who show general tendencies to hate many things, black people, gay people, country music, etc.
13:12 <Spidey> i love                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
13:12 <Spidey>                                                                                                                                                                      
13:13 <Spidey> fuv\ck
13:13 <Spidey> damnkeyboard
13:13 <Spidey> i love the new change
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> people least likely to have knee-jerk reactions are people who generally like to learn new things and do new things, and accept things that are beyond their experience and try to assimilate them into their lives
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, anyone can have a knee-jerk reaction.
13:13 <Vanhayes> well I hate country mousic but I'm fine with all those others
13:14 <Spidey> van
13:14 <Spidey> grind damn you
13:14 <Vanhayes> no
13:14 <Spidey> yes
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> Spidey: you grind
13:14 <Spidey> i just died cause of you :/
13:14 <Spidey> trying to seal that hole :/
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see a wall put right in the front of the team with a little teeny tiny hole only large enough to fit one cycle (the center)
13:14 <Spidey> i can't grind if van don't :p
13:14 <Vanhayes> dont blame me for your incompatence
13:14 <wrtlprnft> you guys know armagetron has a builtin chat feature?
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see what new tactics people come up with then
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're playing under aliases and don't want people to know?
13:15 <wrtlprnft> /msg ?
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, some people don't have tab completion, the barbarians
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> and /msg is a pain without it
13:15 <wrtlprnft> their fault
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> I know, but what can you do?
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> besides release 0.3...
13:15 <[NP]Tangent> they are not cavemen
13:16 <[NP]Tangent> they can have the technology
13:16 <[NP]Tangent> of tab completion
13:16 <wrtlprnft> instant chat keys?
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can lead a man to water, but you can't make him drink.
13:16 <wrtlprnft> INSTANT_CHAT_KEY_1_42 /msg somenickpart \
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> witness the continuing love of doublegrinding beyond all rational sense
13:16 <Vanhayes> people like to go fast, what can you do?
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> piss on them?
13:17 <Spidey> wrtrl since when?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: ?
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> since awhile, the backslash was added for 0.2.8, wasn't it?
13:17 <Spidey> when did tron get a chat feature?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> long before i was born
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> you have to build it yourself for that
13:18 <Spidey> oh
13:18 <Spidey> guess i don't have it then :/
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> if all these people that doublegrind are so much better than me, why do they care what I think, then?
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> is it just so they can say "We're better than you, so you have to listen to us"?
13:23 <Spidey> better?
13:24 <Spidey> 1 adjust fixes that
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, better than me
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> better players I assume
13:24 <Vanhayes> not better just faster
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, they're telling me they're better
13:24  * Spidey is gonna adjust on van
13:24 <Spidey> hahaha
13:24 <Spidey> he beat it
13:25 <Vanhayes> that was a pussy grind
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> I guess deep down inside I'm just a sucky player, eh?
13:25 <Spidey> yea
13:25 <Vanhayes> not that deep down
13:26 <Vanhayes> guess no more Double grinding for me spidey
13:26 <Spidey> :p
13:27 <Spidey> i love you van
13:27 <Spidey> with half my tron heart
13:28 <Vanhayes> only half?
13:28 <Spidey> yes
13:29 <Spidey> the other half goes to lucifer
13:29 <MaZuffeR> Spidey:  :'(
13:29 <Spidey> maz gets my real heart xD
13:29 <MaZuffeR> :D
13:40 <Spidey> maz come hep me pwn luci
13:41 <MaZuffeR> nah, the soccer game starts soon
13:42 <Vanhayes> heh soccer, not football?
13:42 <MaZuffeR> soccer, so that spidey would understand
13:42 <Spidey> i know what it is :p
13:42 <Spidey> i had to watch it in spanish all week
13:43 <Vanhayes> why is soccer so popular in europe?
13:43 <MaZuffeR> 'cause it's the best sport of course
13:43 <Spidey> lol
13:43 <wrtlprnft> why are baseball, football and hockey so popular in america?
13:43 <Vanhayes> u can use your hands...
13:44 <wrtlprnft> why are sports popular at all? I think they're rather boring :P
13:45 <Spidey> i like basketball
13:45 <Vanhayes> I likie boxing the most
13:46  * wrtlprnft likes boxing too in arma
13:47 <Spidey> like i'ma box alf if he doesn't leave me more room?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways, new change to tab completion in the trunk: you can complete the contents of comfig items on the console
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> soccer's popular in europe for the same reason there are so many european fortress players:
13:51 <Spidey> why do  people argue when i'm the one giving the break command? i think i would know who broke and not
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> they get lower ping
13:51 <Spidey> lol
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> but what do I know?  I'm just the suckiest fortress player around...
13:52 <Vanhayes> so soccer is popular because of low ping?
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> precisely!
13:52 <MaZuffeR> yea, soccer is really hard if you lag
13:53 <wrtlprnft> brain lag is especially bad
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's not like football, where lag isn't that big a deal because it takes 5 minutes to setup a play anyway
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> then 20 seconds of action, then 5 more minutes waiting for the refs to figure out what happened
13:56 <wrtlprnft> and that's what you guys call sport :P
13:57 <Vanhayes> not what I call a sport
13:58 <wrtlprnft> i meant US americans :P
13:58 <Vanhayes> #canada
13:58 <armabot>  4 
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14:08 <Vanhayes> #weather
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
14:08 <Spidey> lucifer?
14:08 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 57?F / 14?C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.41in / 996hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers and drizzle ending near midnight then cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. Fog patches. Wind becoming west 20 km/h early this evening. Temperature steady near 12.; Monday - Cloudy with sunny (1 more message)
14:08 <Vanhayes> #more
14:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: periods. 60 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. High 21. UV index 6 or high. Monday night..cloudy. Low 13.; Tuesday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 21.;
14:08 <Spidey> asshole
14:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: the different CYCLE_DELAY settings thing is pretty hairy to implement, it seems. The AIs only decide in which direction they wanna turn if they can turn, but with different cycle_delay settings they have no way of knowing before...
14:14 <z-man> The AIs are of lesser importance. And they can decide to turn at the earlierst possibility, it wouldn't disturb their play much
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14:16 <wrtlprnft> so just give them (CanTurnRight && CanTurnLeft) as condition?
14:20 <Spidey> in september my connection's getting doubled :D
14:20  * Lucifer_arma core dumped on the floor for 1 points.
14:20 <Spidey> z-man, how do you calc. the max players you can hold again?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> in 20 days I'll have <100 ping of BF fortress :P
14:21 <Spidey> wejp, my ping should go down,i'll have over 600kb/s down and 60-70kb/s up
14:21 <Spidey> right now i have 380kb/s down and 24kb/s up
14:21 <Spidey> wrrtl*
14:21 <Spidey> fucking keynoard
14:22 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: sec
14:23 <GodTodd> 380 down?
14:23 <GodTodd> wow
14:23 <Spidey> dude
14:23 <wrtlprnft> Spidey: <number of teammates in the zone> * 2 - <number of enemies in the zone> * 3
14:23 <Spidey> at my moms house,i had a 16 ping on my sever
14:24 <wrtlprnft> if it's >= 0 you can hold the fortress
14:24 <Spidey> no,the number of people my server can hold
14:24 <wrtlprnft> the smaller the result the faster it will be conquered
14:25 <Spidey> i wanted to know the max players a server would hold
14:25 <Spidey> like how to calculate i
14:25 <wrtlprnft> sec
14:25 <Spidey> it*
14:25 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Advanced_Server_Administration_Guide#Bandwidth_Limiting
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, we have documentation on that?!?
14:25 <Spidey> lol
14:25 <Spidey> i can't click that
14:26 <Spidey> my mouse went out on this box :/
14:26  * Lucifer_arma wrote the first draft of it :)
14:26  * Spidey has to tab everything
14:26 <wrtlprnft> use screen and irssi :P
14:26 <wrtlprnft> there you can copy and paste no problem without a mouse
14:26 <wrtlprnft> or you just dig out your chatlogs
14:26 <Spidey> well
14:27 <Spidey> i think i can hold 16
14:27 <wrtlprnft> or you type it by hand
14:27 <Spidey> i can hold 8 now 
14:27 <Spidey> with very little lag
14:27 <wrtlprnft> how much upstream?
14:27 <Spidey> 8 = number i've tried
14:27 <Spidey> i'll have 60-70kb/s up
14:27 <Spidey> now i have 30kb/s (what i held 8 people on)
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 70 / 6
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 70 / 6 = 11.6666667
14:28 <Spidey> i can do more....
14:28 <wrtlprnft> 11 people if they each use 6kb/s upstream
14:28 <Spidey> #g 30/6
14:28 <armabot> Spidey: 30 / 6 = 5
14:29 <Spidey> see there it says 5 on the current connection,i've did 8 np before
14:29 <wrtlprnft> if they all start mazing at the same time they'll lag out
14:29 <Spidey> heh
14:29 <Spidey> the setting i use take care of that
14:29 <Spidey> :p
14:30 <wrtlprnft> cycle_delay 1?
14:30 <Spidey> no...
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14:30 <wrtlprnft> that'll help a bunch
14:30 <Spidey> the delay's .01
14:30 <wrtlprnft> ARENA_AXES 1?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> that will get rid of all lag
14:30 -!- vircuser is now known as GodTodd_
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> cycle_accel -1 will also get rid of all lag
14:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> it won't
14:31 <Spidey> not really, the accel/speed/rubber settings i use 
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the best way to get rid of lag is to press shift-escape
14:31 <wrtlprnft> MAGIC_LAG_PREVENTION 1 will get rid of it
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that works pretty well, too
14:31 <Spidey> and arena size
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> but you have to be hooked up to FTL internet
14:32 <wrtlprnft> ARRENA_SIZE -100 will get rid of it as well
14:32 <wrtlprnft> especially with teamplay
14:32 <Spidey> hhahahaha
14:32 <Spidey> no thanks
14:32 <Spidey> :p
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> cycle_rubber -10 helps a lot, too
14:32 <wrtlprnft> that works?
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> yep
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's an....interesting game
14:32 <wrtlprnft> kill all instantly?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> cycle_speed 1e100 will get rid of it as well
14:32 <Spidey> arena size = -3 rubber = 8 cycle_speed = 20 cycle_accel = 10
14:33 <Spidey> that's the setting i use
14:33 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, WALLS_LENGTH 1e-100
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> switch cycle_speed and cycle_accel and you're just about at my old breakfast in hell settings
14:33 <Spidey> heh
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now that I'm older and more experienced, I realized something very important.
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> HiGh RuBBeR Is LaME!1111!!one!one
14:34 <Spidey> 8 isn't really that high....
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> not compared to MBC's 50
14:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah :(
14:34 <Spidey> 47*
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> 50!?!??  CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT?
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> sorry bout the caps
14:34 <Spidey> it's 47 :p
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it was 50 the other night
14:35 <Spidey> i think
14:35 <wrtlprnft> I don't like the mbc server anymore since the rubber increases at a rate of 10/month
14:35 <Spidey> i haven't been in there in along time
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> not 5.0, like what people normally mean
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> but 50-fucking.0 rubber!
14:35 <Spidey> yea
14:35 <Spidey> i pwn on mbc
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> it was boring as hell
14:35 <wrtlprnft> i usually win if i play
14:35 <Spidey> playing on fortress and other low rubber servers and doing alot of mazing
14:36 <wrtlprnft> last time about a month ago :P
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> then I made a spiral box, and they said "don't camp"
14:36 <Spidey> then goto mbc and they can't trap me :D
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I said "it was open!"
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, really, when somebody makes an open spiral box, that's an invitation to come inside
14:36 <wrtlprnft> so you can trap them in there?
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> yes!  that's the whole point!
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> and to show how much of a badass you think your are, of course
14:36  * Spidey would go inside it
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I would too!
14:37 <Spidey> i'd make it out to
14:37 <Spidey> and you'd be dead :p
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> now, if I had really closed myself in, sure, that's camping, no argument there
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> not my box, baby
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't make it out of my box
14:37 <Spidey> wanna bet? :p
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> but then again, neither would I
14:37 <wrtlprnft> haha
14:37  * Lucifer_arma gets lost in his own boxes, it's true
14:38 <Spidey> it's almost impossible to kill me on mbc
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost impossible to kill anybody on mbc
14:38 <Spidey> due to high rubber and i have good rubber control :p
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> what were they thinking when they cranked the rubber way up?
14:38  * Spidey can maze all day :/
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> "let's make it easy for noobs"
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> I guess it's a noob-friendly server, now.  As long as noobs fight all the time and never cuss, tht is
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> and we know new players definitely fight without cussing, without exception, every one of them!
14:39 <Spidey> hhheh
14:39 <Spidey> i can't really say much about mbc
14:39 <GodTodd_> how about cursing without fighting? :)
14:39 <Spidey> a few of them are great players
14:39 <Spidey> and i learned most of everything i know about low rubber servers from those few
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> that's what they do on SP, isn't it?
14:40 <wrtlprnft> at least mbc doesn't buy its members like sp does
14:40 <Spidey> true
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> ?  how do you buy a clanmember?
14:40  * wrtlprnft looks at joda_bot
14:40 <Spidey> hahaha
14:40 <wrtlprnft> no, the other way, they *sell* the membership
14:40 <Spidey> eally?
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> what, you have to give them money to be in SP?
14:41 <Spidey> really*
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm waaaaay too cheap for that, hah
14:41 <Spidey> before sp broke up
14:41 <Spidey> i got banned :)
14:41 <Spidey> for pwning x3r and bragging
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, for bragging, we know, you've been bragging about it every since
14:41 <Spidey> hahah
14:41 <Spidey> i have?
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think a day goes by when you don't smile and remember it
14:42 <Spidey> lol
14:42 <wrtlprnft> gah, yesterday i got kicked from a bzflag server for having 150ms lag
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> so how do you determine if you're better than another player in a team game, anyway?
14:42 <Spidey> you don't
14:43 <Spidey> and what's that got to do with free for all servers?
14:43 <Spidey> the team is equal,if one member fucks up we all have a fuck up
14:43 <Spidey> then again
14:43 <GodTodd_> being better than someone in a team game is directly proportional to the amount of deflating your ego needs
14:43 <Spidey> sometimes i've seen people support a entire team
14:44 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd_: really sure? I think it's an exponential function
14:44 <GodTodd_> that could be as well ;)
14:44 <Spidey> i think you should use broken english,so i know what the hell you just said
14:44 <Spidey> xD
14:44 <GodTodd_> guess it depends on how loudly you spout it :)
14:45 <GodTodd_> at 380kb/s down....have you even seen what i said yet? :D
14:45 <Spidey> ?
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14:46 <Spidey> LOL
14:46 <Spidey> wrong window
14:46 <GodTodd_> w00t...got me name bac
14:46 <GodTodd_> back*
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14:47 <Spidey> hahahah
14:47 <Spidey> if i turn the mixer all the way up 
14:47 <Spidey> and the desktop speakers
14:47 <Spidey> i overload my stereo
14:48 <Spidey> :-s
14:48 <Spidey> it's got hella bass though
14:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think the ony way you can rate a person's abilities in a team game is if they refuse to play as part of a team, then you can rate their performance as an individual
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> but in my personal scale, that rates them the lowest, because I rate people by how well they function on a team
14:49 <Spidey> lemme ask you another question
14:49 <Spidey> what if the team refuses to play as a team?
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> which means, of course, that I may think you're the shit one day, and nothing but shit another day, depending on the team and stuff
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you mean by that.  :)  I've seen teams not play as a team because they didn't know what they were doing,
14:49 <Lucifer_arma> or they had an asshole as center who kept killing them and they couldn't get enough votes to kick him.
14:50 <Spidey> i mean,7people pissed at each other and killing each other
14:50 <Spidey> that leaves 1 actually playing
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen teams refuse to play as teams where they just didn't do any kind of concentration of force or anything, and I've taken what was actually lesser players against them and won
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, sounds like you have a server with 7 players that should go do something else :)
14:50 <Spidey> LOL
14:51 <Spidey> yea
14:51 <Spidey> for somereason i'm nowhere near as good as i used to be
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> you're starting to suck the same way I do
14:51 <Spidey> i used to be able to handle 6 people by myself,now if the team fails,i usually fail
14:52 <MaZuffeR> that is because everyone else got better
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you're starting to suck like I do
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14:52 <Spidey> lol maz
14:52 <MaZuffeR> i haven't improved my game in 3 months or so
14:52 <Spidey> i think it's because i played soldat for 3 months and didn't touch tron
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14:52 <Spidey> you still kick my ass
14:52 <Spidey> lol
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14:54 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with MaZuffeR isn't that his moves are particularly neat or whatever, it's that he's been around so long, he literally knows what you're going to do before you know what you're going to do,
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> and counters it
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> he's beyond neat little lag tricks and stuff
14:54 <Spidey> heh
14:55 <Spidey> i know a way to kill maz :p
14:55 <Spidey> when he's defense
14:55 <MaZuffeR> the funny thing is that I don't do it conciously (sp?), it just happens
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> so do I, get him to run into my wall, that's easy enough
14:55 <Spidey> people say circling people makes defense stronger
14:55 <Spidey> it's a lie :)
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> well if you took time to think about it, we'd kill you while you were thinking about it :)
14:55 <MaZuffeR> probably
14:56 <Spidey> maz kicks my ass in soldat too :/
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> man, you're on a different level than I am, I think I get you 1 out of 4 times if I'm lucky, the rest of the time I'm lucky to survive the encounter, let alone keep you away from the zone
14:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm known to be the suckiest player around
14:56 <Spidey> true
14:57 <MaZuffeR> now I've gotten that good at soldat that lag starts to bother me
14:58 <wrtlprnft> omg
14:58 <Spidey> MaZuffeR, you should come in now
14:58 <Spidey> you haven't seen lag yet
14:58 <wrtlprnft> testing stuff i do in b0_2_8 isn't fun :(
14:58 <Spidey> hyper-gaming's fucked up
14:58 <wrtlprnft> awful font, no completion... bah!
14:58 <MaZuffeR> second half of the soccer game starting now
14:59 <Spidey> if soccer is football then football is what?
14:59 <Spidey> rephrase
14:59 <Spidey> if our soccer is your football then what is our football/
14:59 <Spidey> ?
14:59 <z-man> American Football
14:59 <MaZuffeR> american football
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> they're too smart to play something like that
14:59 <Spidey> lol
14:59 <z-man> No, we're not :(
15:00 <Spidey> hahaha
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:00 <z-man> We've got the Cologne Centurions....
15:00 <z-man> Or Centurios
15:00 <z-man> Can't remember which were Zylons and which Romans :)
15:00 <MaZuffeR> the team form my old town are called Butchers
15:00 <MaZuffeR> *from
15:03 <Spidey> brb,water/piss (and no i'm not drinking my piss!!)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> what, he's gonna pour water into the toilet and flush it?
15:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's what i thought too
15:07 <Spidey> no....
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> pour his water into the toilet, flush the toilet, then piss in his cup?
15:08 <Spidey> we buy bottled water cause our well water has to much iron
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> we have a water purification system
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's part of our water bill
15:09 <Spidey> well
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, you live in a MUD, they purify your water for you...
15:09 <Spidey> we don't pay for water
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> must be nice to live in a place where water is free....
15:09 <Spidey> we pay for the electricity to pump the water out of the ground
15:09 <Spidey> it's called spring water
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> you have electricity out there?
15:09 <Spidey> :|
15:10  * Lucifer_arma chuckles a little bit
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> I come from the desert, where water is such an important natural resource that they've made sure only corrupt government contractors handle the region's supply
15:12 <Spidey> heh
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm serious
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> they spent $30million to build a new reservoir that would be twice the capacity of the old one, right?
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> this reservoir holds what little rain they get, and some of the spring water coming off the mountains
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> then they handed it off to one of the most corrupt businesses in town, where they cut every cost to build it so they could pocket as much money as possible
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> within a month after building it, the reservoir cracked
15:13 <Spidey> heh
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> so now it holds only 1/3 of its capacity, about 1/2 of what the old reservoir held
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> and they tore down the old one!
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> in the fucking desert, and they're playing games with water
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> so now, you can only top off existing swimming pools.  If you build a new swimming pool, you have to have the water to fill it shipped in, you can't use what's in the reservoir
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> makes me want to invent moisture farming, like what they do in Star Wars
15:15 <Spidey> hahahaha
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> luckily I don't live in that shithole town any more, I live in river country now, where we only have to ration water a couple of months a year
15:16  * [Xpert]DarkStar loves switzerland where everyone has enough water at any time
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> corruption's just as bad, but at least there's enough water that if they play games with it, they won't wipe us all out
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> must be nice to have a glaciar sitting over your head giving you all the water you could ever want
15:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
15:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glaciars aren't that big anymore
15:18 <Spidey> tennessee doesn't have water problems :p
15:18 <Spidey> then again we've got lots of rivers and streams :)
15:18 <Spidey> not to mention the tennessee river 5 minute walk away
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you're in the hill country or east texas, you're fine
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> west texas is pretty arid, and north of texas is oklahoma, which is a desert
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> come to think of it, west texas counts as desert too
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> but the hill country and east texas has lots of rivers
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> lots of little streams, too
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> the reservoir thing happened in Alamogordo, NM, though, which is in a desert
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> complete with sand dunes :)
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glaciars aren't that big anymore
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> errr oops
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> arrow up + enter in the wrong window ><
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> there's a longstanding fight over water between west texas and New Mexico, because the few rivers and streams they have in west texas originate in new mexico
15:25  * MaZuffeR just killed his first mosquito this year
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15:26  * Lucifer_arma has been killing junebugs all month
15:26 <Spidey> only 11 days
15:26 <Spidey>  16:27:21 up 11 days, 23:42,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.01
15:27 <Spidey> heh,i installed mepis on the 1st
15:27 <Spidey> or was it the 31st
15:27 <Spidey> hmm
15:27 <MaZuffeR> last year i had like 30 mosquito bites on my right hand and 20 on the left one o_O
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15:28 <Spidey> lol
15:29 <MaZuffeR> that's what happens if you have an army camp on a swamp
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15:59 <Spidey> big fish!
16:00  * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps Spidey around a bit with a large trout
16:01  * Spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar around a bit with a large cow
16:02  * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps Spidey around a bit with windows me
16:03 <Spidey> ew
16:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nasty, eh?
16:03 <Spidey> indeed
16:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
16:04 <Spidey> it's like getting slaped with a used condom
16:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> used twice at least :P
16:04 <Spidey> :s
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> no,, it's more like getting slapped by the whore down the street.  Everybody's used her, most for nothing.
16:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
16:06 <Spidey> lol
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16:09 <Spidey> damn lucifer,that slaps was so hard it knocked z-man out of here
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> he's sometime into next week now
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: does the rotation thing work yet?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> #g 36/4 :)
16:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> #g 36/4
16:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 36 / 4 = 9
16:34 <Spidey> lol
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  ALl this change does is make gold win :)
16:57 <Spidey> ?
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's what madmax said, we just wasted blue team 2 matches in a row
16:57  * Spidey is watching a documentry on the nsa
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> everyone's saying "All this change does is <this>", where <this> is always something different
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> so that's what madmax volunteered
16:58  * Spidey wants the nsa super computers
16:58  * Spidey will come pwn gold
16:58  * Lucifer_arma wants a computer that can ray-trace arma in realtime
16:58 <Spidey> i'll put this movie on hold
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just stepped out again
16:58 <Spidey> :/
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> doing homework, or trying anyway
16:59 <Spidey> well
16:59 <Spidey> a super computer can try 1 trillion crypto strings in a few minutes
16:59 <Spidey> 'er
16:59 <Spidey> a few seconds
17:00 <Spidey> wait
17:00 <Spidey> 70 trillion
17:00 <Spidey> that's take a home computer 22,000 years to try all those keys
17:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good night everyone
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
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20:16 <Spidey> lol
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20:23 <spidey_> yay for mac clone
20:23  * spidey_ loves getting kicked for killing a DGER
20:23 <MaZuffeR> hehe
20:24  * spidey_ goes back to fortress
20:26 <spidey_> lol
20:26 <spidey_> sheesh
20:26 <spidey_> now i'm getting kicked for killing a non-grinder and somehow overpassing center
20:26 <spidey_> oh well,another mac clone i guess
20:26 <spidey_> brb
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20:28  * spidey__ yawns
20:29 <spidey__> hmm
20:29 <spidey__> those 2 names need to timeout
20:30 <spidey__> maz are you whisper?
20:30 <MaZuffeR> yes
20:31 <spidey__> heh
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  We're playing a light cycle game where you accelerate by generating friction, and they're saying a speed boost when you break ruins the realism?
20:32 <spidey__> >?
20:32  * Lucifer_arma is glad the complainers don't live in this part of the country
20:33 <spidey__> you talking about tron?
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=58821#58821
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> do you know any other light cycle games where you accelerate by generating friction?
20:33 <spidey__> i can't click it
20:33 <spidey__> no mouse
20:33  * n54 likes the speed boost idea, not sure about width
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, just listen to people then, I'm sure you'll hear someone complain about how it ruins their realism
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> note, these are the same people who complained about cycle width, heh
20:33 <spidey__> i love the boost thing
20:34 <spidey__> even when mazin
20:34 <spidey__> it's fun
20:34  * Lucifer_arma just watched dumb and dumber, and had an easy time putting Psyko in Jim Carrey's role
20:34 <spidey__> hahahahha
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I gotta agree on the boost thing.  Even better when you're taking someone from behind :)
20:35 <spidey__> yup
20:35 <MaZuffeR> i didn't get to test the boost thing only attack :(
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> not sure, but I kinda think whatup goes in the other guy's role, the dog-tamer guy, because he's got a little more sense
20:35 <MaZuffeR> *on
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, just imagine the dismay of the doublegrinder next to you when you're going faster than he is because you didn't pass the center :)
20:36 <spidey__> yuo know
20:36 <spidey__> if i can bypass the ban you get for being kicked
20:36 <spidey__> anyone can
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but most smegheads can't figure it out, they're too busy jerking for the pleasure of having been kicked
20:36 <spidey__> lol
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh my god they kicked me, I'm cumming!  I'm cumming!"
20:37 <spidey__> hahah
20:37 <spidey__> well,i don't like zop,and he seems to think i HAVE to let him DG
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, if he'd ever *not* DG, he'd know by now that the break boost is better :)
20:37 <spidey__> and my ip can be anywhere from 24.xxx.xxx.xx 66.xxx.xxx.xxx and 68.xxx.xxx.xxx so i'm virtually unbannable unless you wanna ban thousands and thousands of people
20:38 <spidey__> actually that's millions i think
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20:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, you don't have 63.therest in there, so I'm safe from your nuke ban
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20:39 <spidey__> HAHAAHAH
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> just don't turn renegade on us, spidey
20:39 <spidey__> i'm not hh
20:39 <spidey__> heh'
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20:39 <Lucifer_arma> you're timing out now
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20:40 <spidey> no those 2 names are from mac clones
20:40 <spidey> that other one still needs to timeout
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I caught that.  You kept getting kicked and changing your mac address
20:40 <spidey> yer
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> what ever happened to pants, did z-man ban him?
20:41 <spidey> dunno
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he just got busy with his daughter, his wife or whatever just had a baby girl a couple months ago or so
20:41 <dlh```> it's summertime, he probably switched to shorts.
20:41 <spidey> lol
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:42  * Lucifer_arma suspects he's changed his name, but would be surprised if he had
20:42 <n54> huh 0.5 mechanical pencils are so much nicer for ordinary writing than 0.3 *is kind of amazed at that*
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20:44 <spidey> are you Gaymosexual luci? lol
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's me :)
20:44 <spidey> hahahahah
20:44 <MaZuffeR> i can't really do anything if i would get banned, static ip address and I have to use this mac address to connect to internet
20:45 <dlh```> KICK BECAUSE OF NAME
20:45 <spidey> who's g337h3l3d0u7?
20:46 <n54> geetheledout? get the hell out?
20:46 <n54> gee the led out?
20:47 <n54> he's a terrible speller no matter what ^^
20:47 <spidey> lol
20:50 <GodTodd> maybe it's the swedish spelling ;)
20:52 <spidey> fucking shift+esc
20:53 <dlh```> why is everyone trying to kick you?
20:55 <spidey> kick who?
20:55 <spidey> me?
20:55 <dlh```> gaymosexual
20:55 <spidey> oh
20:55 <spidey> lol
20:56 <GodTodd> gaymophobic?
20:56 <GodTodd> :D
20:58 <n54> gaymobile?
20:59 <n54> and hi GodTodd et al. :)
20:59 <spidey> fagmobile sounds better
20:59  * GodTodd nods 'ello to n54.
20:59 <n54> gaymofaggafaggaratamobile?
20:59 <n54> that's an awesome name ^^
20:59 <spidey> hahahahaha
21:00 <spidey> i'ma rename to that in tron
21:00 <n54> girls would throw themselves in front of you while driving to stop you and pick you up lol
21:00 <spidey> LL
21:01  * spidey changed my name to A Lesbian
21:01 <GodTodd> yep....just act gay and all women want you....it's the most fucked up thing ;)
21:01  * spidey coredumped A Lesbian
21:01 <n54> that's an uncommon surname...
21:01 <spidey> lol
21:01 <GodTodd> how about Ira Carpetmuncher
21:02 <n54> Ira might be the weirdest?
21:03 <GodTodd> always liked Frank N. Furter myself
21:03 <n54> or is Ira common? 
21:03 <n54> hehe :)
21:03 <GodTodd> it's not...but funnier :P
21:04 <n54> sorry I don't get the Ira part :|
21:04 <GodTodd> I Are A...
21:05 <GodTodd> guess it's funnier to us yanks ;)
21:05 <n54> yeah I guess, "I are" just grates me :)
21:06 <GodTodd> well...probably comes from having to have like 20 years in school of a language we speak everyday so we like to play with it and fuck it up....just a little bit :D
21:07 <GodTodd> man am i a potty mouth tonight :/
21:09 <n54> mouthrunner ;)
21:12 <spidey> gaymopwn
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that was awesome
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> awww, nemo's not in here still?
21:13 <dlh```> .me
21:13 <spidey> yea
21:13  * dlh``` *
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> dlh is nemo?
21:13 <spidey> 'er
21:13 <spidey> looks like i might have to mac clone again
21:13 <spidey> :/
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, dlh``` they were just trying to kick over name
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> whatup and Sasha both went for teamkills, sasha got hers (his?)
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I thought P4 was too, but I was wrong, no hard feelings
21:19 <spidey> my ex-step cousins name is sasha
21:19 <spidey> she's a girl
21:19 <spidey> heh
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I know Sasha's a girl's name in the US....
21:20  * Lucifer_arma has a vague memory of Sasha being a boy's name in Russia
21:20 <MaZuffeR> Sasha is male, it's both a male and female name in Russia
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh, spidey's getting good at picking me out with my faker than normal names
21:22 <spidey> all i gotta do is compare pings and watch play
21:26 <spidey> hahahah
21:26 <spidey> you should have seen this move dude
21:26 <spidey> true teamwork
21:26 <spidey> sonar tricked him and i cut him off
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21:42 <spidey> sfather!
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21:51 <n54> hi mom :)
21:53 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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22:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, it doesn't work yet
22:19 <wrtlprnft> it should do some basic parsing if there was a valid DTF
22:19 <wrtlprnft> *DTF
22:19 <wrtlprnft> *DTD
22:19  * wrtlprnft always manages to make the same mistake twice
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22:39 <wrtlprnft> #m z-man* ok, I got the different CYCLE_DELAY settings thing working pretty well, gotta set up that network compatibility stuff (I'll copy that from CYCLE_WIDTH) and documentation. Are you gonna test that on bugfarm, too? Maybe just with a relatively slight difference so you don't get all the lag problems, or at least not too much
22:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you there?
22:53 <GodTodd> yeah
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> do you remember the name of that chess website we used to play through?
22:54 <spidey> damn dude
22:54 <spidey> that's the best few matches i've played in a very long time
22:54 <spidey> i actually had fun tonight
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> after I left?  :)
22:54 <GodTodd> shit....i'll have to think about it...
22:54 <spidey> yea
22:54 <spidey> lol
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't overstrain yourself, I can find something if you don't remember it off hand
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting kinda sick of people around here saying because they can beat me every now and then that they are better tacticians
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can challenge them to Crimson Fields using the play by email feature, but Chess is a much more likely game, I think
22:56 <GodTodd> don't remember it right off hand
22:56 <GodTodd> been a while heh
22:56 <GodTodd> ;)
23:13 <Your_mom_arma> fun couple of matches
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> did you guys quit sucking when I left?  heh
23:14 <Your_mom_arma> yeah 
23:14 <spidey> ltwas fun
23:14 <Your_mom_arma> but it had more to do with the fact nemo started d and i took center
23:14 <spidey> you should come in more often :P
23:14 <spidey> great
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> luci is this the chess site? http://www.linuxuser.at/chess/
23:15 <spidey> you leave all the retarded people join
23:15 <spidey> :/
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's not it.  :(  It was a play by email site
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd move, then it sent him an email, and he'd move and it would send me an email
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd move, then he'd move, then I'd move again and say "checkmate"
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> so is 3.0 coming out or is 2.8.2 still in the works?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> is still in the works
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> 0.3.0 will be a deelopment release, and you should only run it if you like bugs and want to participate in development in some part or other ;)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> you'll want to run it, probably
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> :)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> because you get the cockpit, a nice xml file that sets up what was formerly called the hud
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> and, to be honest, I'd like to see what kind of cockpit you'd put together :)
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, 0.3.x is marked unstable, and might blow up in your face at the worst times, so regular users that just want to play should steer clear of it
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> is anything compiled that i can download?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, I just tagged it earlier.  We've got a QA team now that needs to do some sort of sanity check on it to make sure we're not releasing a total turd
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> luci did you see all the anthrax tour dates in texas?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, about the same time I noticed they weren't coming within 400 miles of here
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can it be to go to Austin?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> It's not like we're some podunk town in the middle of nowhere!
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> They're even bypassing both DFW and San Antone!
23:24 <GodTodd> must be the 'redneck' tour ;)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> they're going to fucking wichita falls, dude
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> WICHITA FALLS
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> well they are touring with white zombie
23:25 <GodTodd> they at least hitting houston?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're going to houston.  That's their last stop in texas, iirc.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> el paso, lubbock, amarillo, WICHITA FUCKING FALLS, and Houston, I think
23:25 <GodTodd> at least they hit ONE major city here then heh
23:26  * Lucifer_arma tells Your_mom_arma that Wichita Falls is a dinky little town in the middle of nowhere
23:26 <GodTodd> wichita falls is practically OK
23:27 <Your_mom_arma> anthrax always hits towns out in the middle of nowhere here as impossible as that sounds
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> not in the presence of a 9-year old promise to come back to Austin before 8 years had expired
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it was John Bush who made that promise, and he quit the band
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> supposedly, everythings unconfirmed 
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> as in, if they whine enough he might go back
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> dude, it's as sure as if your wife walked out on you saying you were hanging out with your ex-wife
23:30 <GodTodd> you forgot corpus christie and mcallen :D
23:31  * GodTodd is helpful. ;)
23:31 <GodTodd> of course...any tour that hits Council Bluffs IA is right at home in podunkville
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's fucking helpful
23:32 <GodTodd> belladonna is back?
23:32 <GodTodd> geesh
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, reunion tour
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> spitz, too
23:32 <GodTodd> saw that
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he's their timekeeper (heh)
23:33 <GodTodd> where the fuck is mokena IL??
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> for a touring band they have a terrible taste in venues
23:35 <GodTodd> they don't think they could sell out DFW or Austin, or what?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.itsyourturn.com/
23:36 <GodTodd> that's it!
23:36 <GodTodd> :D
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> Pantera sold out Austin
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> they also hit San Antone and DFW in the same tour
23:37 <GodTodd> with or without dimebag?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> and sold them all out
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> with, this was the concert 9 years ago where Anthrax promised to come back < 8 years
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> and lied...
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you should treat stage talk like pillow talk and just put your cock in it
23:38 <GodTodd> lol
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=58881#58881  <-- challenge issued to forum readers, at least
23:39 <GodTodd> these are the same people that will tell wichita falls 'you're the best fuckin' town to rock in'
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't used to have popups :(
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> godtodd they say that to every city
23:41 <GodTodd> exactly
23:41 <GodTodd> so why trust them to tell the truth?
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23:42 <Lucifer_arma> this is the same band that paid out of their own pocket to play some shows in canada that Priest didn't want to hit, so when Priest took a break, Anthrax shelled out their own money to go
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> and took a loss/broke even, but played, "for the fans that love them"
23:43 <GodTodd> how long ago?
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe we didn't want those yanks down here in the first place
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> Ummm, Priest tour, so sometime while I was in Washington State, anyway
23:44 <GodTodd> 'course it can't be for the money....how much can you make selling out wichita falls and council bluffs?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> when the Ripper was with Priest
23:44 <GodTodd> dunno...i'm at a loss as to why they would pass us up
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, we might make fun of Wichita Falls, but it's actually a good place to play.  :(
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> what I don't get is skipping DFW and one of [San Antone, Austin]
23:44 <GodTodd> true...i'm not saying DON'T hit them....but hit DFW, Austin, and SA for fuck's sake
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell can you afford to drive your tour bus across texas without stopping in DFW?
23:45 <GodTodd> i didn't know you could get gas east of El Paso until DFW :D
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it can get pretty tight :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> signs that say "130 miles to the next gas station"
23:46 <GodTodd> trust me, i know ;)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be scared to try my truck down I-10
23:46 <GodTodd> we go 380 to NM
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it has to stop about every hour for gas on a roadtrip like that
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> that the one that goes up over the sacramento mountains?
23:47 <GodTodd> yeah
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> You take I-20 out a ways, then turn off, and you wind up going through lovington, hobbes, and cloudcroft?
23:47 <GodTodd> yep, exactly
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> I remember that being a fun drive
23:47 <GodTodd> it's not bad
23:47 <GodTodd> 10-12 hours depending
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I made it in the middle of the night, and got stuck missing 3 gas stops due to non-24hour gas stations
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> almost ran out of gas :)
23:48 <GodTodd> we get to go through Throckmorton :D
23:48 <GodTodd> yeah...for all the oil rigs out there they sure don't keep alot of it
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you go down I-10 and then break off a couple of hours east of el paso you can get on that same route in new mexico,
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> but you drive a little 2-lane highway that's literally perfectly straight for 100 miles
23:49 <GodTodd> that would suck
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> check the alignment on your car, you won't have to steer once on that road
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, it's so weird it has it's own little novelty
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> not even an interstate is that straight
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I've driven on most of the interstates in the west and never seen anything like it
23:50 <GodTodd> we just have to fill up when we leave, then in Post, then when we leave alamo, then post again
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, when it's a route you know....  :)
23:50 <GodTodd> though...this last trip we had 3 construction lights on the two lane
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> we usually fill up i Fort Stockton and take a rest break somewhere near el paso
23:50 <GodTodd> that slowed us down a bit
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course,w e go a different route.  Your route would add 3 hours to the drive for us
23:51 <GodTodd> yep....you're down south there :P
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> but 290W is a beautiful highway, out through fredricksburg
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> I got up to 120 on I-10 one time.  :)  Well, several times.  blazed through ozona, socorro, and another town
23:52 <GodTodd> heh
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> after I picked up the first ticket (for 98, he got me after a curve), I slowed down and still made Fort stockton in 3 hours
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> normally it's 5.5 hours there
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> After I picked up the second ticket, the rest of the trip went as usual
23:53 <GodTodd> i got clocked in MO once in my old voyager at 79 in a 65....the cop asked if i knew how fast i was going and i almost told him 'yeah...shoulda seen how fast i was going before i saw you'
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> got the third ticket on the way back.  Stopped a total of 4 times, the Mexican sheriff in El Paso being the only one that just gave me a warning :(
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> the guy that ticketed me with the 98 in a 55 was freaking out so much over the speed that he failed to check registration and insurance
23:53 <GodTodd> lol
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> he was funnier than shit.  He was all adrenalized 'cause he thought I was going to try to run.
23:54 <GodTodd> of which you had non, i presume
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> It was a mazda 626!  I'm not stupid!
23:54 <GodTodd> none*
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I had none of that at the time.  :)
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> my license was good, though.
23:54 <GodTodd> first time i got stopped in AZ i had guns pointed at me
23:54 <GodTodd> that was fun
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I got stopped for 65 in a 35 in Seattle, and the cop let me go.  I was in my truck with my two kids in there.
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> guns?  what was that for?
23:55 <GodTodd> well...no one told me that if you open the door they hide and aim at you
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/50  <--- this is my weirdest cop encounter
23:56 <GodTodd> strat cop?
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, you're supposed to stay there and let them approach you, with your hands in view
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the strat cop story :)
23:56 <GodTodd> yep...i was lucky that i didn't have any metal flash from a lighter or anything
23:56 <GodTodd> yeah...read that one :)
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, that's the weirdest one where I didn't get arrested.  The one where I got arrested is weirder
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I haven't written that one up
23:57 <GodTodd> i've never been cuffed but i was arrested for lifting a few packs of cigarrettes once
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> people get offended when you tell them you slept naked in a car with a 15-year old girl, got arrested, and didn't get charged for all the "sleeping with a minor" charges
23:57 <GodTodd> cigarettes
23:57 <GodTodd> *
23:58 <GodTodd> were you married at the time?
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, it was about a month or so before we got married
23:58 <GodTodd> ahhh...then i'm offended
23:58 <GodTodd> heh
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> I think the part people find offensive is the "didn't get charged" part
23:59 <GodTodd> probably
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> you know, "dad went down the the police station and tried to get him set free, what the hellw as he thinking?!?"
23:59 <GodTodd> but then, i'm one that thinks there are worse things that are done than that
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of which, my year just lost some of its fun.  Now I'm going to be saying "I've been married for 10 years, my wife's 26 and I'm 31"

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