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Log from 2006-06-10:
--- Day changed Sat Jun 10 2006
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00:25 <spidey> i'm not sure if this is a bug or what
00:25 <spidey> on swampland i'll appear ahead of someone
00:25 <spidey> then when i turn to cut them off
00:25 <spidey> shit speeds up real fast and i die
00:26 <[NP]Tangent> is it lag, spidey?
00:28 <spidey> seems like it
00:28 <spidey> but
00:28 <spidey> weird lag
00:28 <spidey> i've never had anything like this happen before
00:29 <spidey> and it doesn't do it on other servers
00:29 <spidey> it's like a delay,then when i get close to someone it tries to catch up,in realtime
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> swampland has some unique lag
00:38 <spidey> really
00:39 <spidey> is it a setting,or just something wrong with there server?
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00:52 <spidey> EXEC	The system cannot find the file specified.
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01:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha, under my new name, as soon as I went into CT fortress someone started a poll to kick
01:16  * Lucifer_arma is considering going into MBC with a name like "FUCKALLCLANS"
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01:31 <spidey> you'll get kicked then banned
01:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you in a server now?
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> american fortress
01:31 <spidey> k
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> use an unknown name
01:33 <spidey> 'er
01:33 <spidey> lemme rejoin
01:35 <spidey> i'm guessing you're player?
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01:41 <guru3> 31 threads with new posts to read :(
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I was Player Juan :)
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <spidey> i'm suprised i didn't get kicked
01:55 <spidey> i was speaking portuguese and not grinding
01:55 <spidey> even did a tk :/
01:57 <spidey> guru3, set them on fire!
01:57 <guru3> totally random and unrelated there
01:57 <guru3> way to go.
01:57 <spidey> :D
01:58 <spidey> <guru3> 31 threads with new posts to read :(
01:58 <spidey> hence "set them on fire!"
01:58 <guru3> way to go.
01:58  * spidey trips guru3 
01:59 <spidey> i think 9/10ths of the people on my yahoo buddylist ignored me
01:59 <guru3> way to go.
01:59 <spidey> i have 54 people and only 7-10 are always on
01:59 <spidey> :/
02:00  * spidey throws a candy wrapper at guru3 
02:04  * Lucifer_arma wonders why
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> that was about the buddylist, not the candy wrapper
02:05 <spidey> lol
02:05 <spidey> who knows
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I may never use my regular name again, just keep changing it
02:05 <spidey> maybe they don't like my mass's
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> also, I ignored the poll, so they probably couldn't get enough votes from our team to kick it :)
02:05 <spidey> hehe
02:06 <guru3> you know
02:06 <guru3> it's almost like i ignore half the stuff on the forums
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I do :)
02:06 <spidey> even if they did i'd been back in 2 minutes
02:06 <spidey> :p
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I click through a lot of posts that I'm not interested in just so they'll be marked "read"
02:06  * spidey loves the mac clone deature
02:06  * Lucifer_arma loves deatures
02:06 <spidey> LOL
02:06 <spidey> feature*
02:07 <guru3> aw shit
02:07 <guru3> 5 pages of cycle width
02:07 <spidey> lol
02:07 <guru3> speed read
02:07 <guru3> 4 pages
02:07 <spidey> 3
02:07 <spidey> 2
02:07 <spidey> 10!
02:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
02:08 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [not in the mood]
02:08 <@guru3> just can't get ppl to shutup sometimes
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02:08 <spidey> lol,i still love you :p
02:08  * guru3 whistles anonymously
02:09  * Lucifer_arma looks at his nickname list and sees the devil icon
02:09 <spidey> --- You have been kicked from #armagetron by guru3 (not in the mood)
02:09 <spidey> :p
02:12 <spidey> o lucifer gosta de homens! 
02:12 <@guru3> i wonder what would happen if you attached a client to a server
02:12 <spidey> hmm,i might actually learn portuguese
02:13  * spidey has ran all the server versions atleast once
02:13 <spidey> i liked the ones before 2.7.1
02:13 <spidey> get to play with all the bugs :D
02:16 <Luke-Jr> you know, the bugs are still options
02:17 <spidey> they are?
02:17 <Luke-Jr> yes
02:27 <@guru3> might be time for tigers network to fade off into the sunset for good this time
02:30 <spidey> who hosts those servers?
02:30 <Luke-Jr> him
02:31 <spidey> ah
02:31 <spidey> i used to play there alot with joana :/
02:45 <spidey> k,cigarette,sleep,then bed
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03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so what is a grid unit, anyway?  I've been assuming it's a meter...
03:37 <z-man> Yeah, it is a meter.
03:41 <Luke-Jr> I thought it was a grid unit
03:41 <Luke-Jr> ;)
03:41 <Luke-Jr> something we could arbitrarily change
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't like the name grid unit.  :)  I'd just as soon say "meter" or make something up :)
04:26 <Luke-Jr> "x units"
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> cubits?  :)
04:27 <Luke-Jr> sure =p
04:28 <Luke-Jr> gubits ;)
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> lirps
04:41 <Luke-Jr> syrups
04:42 <Luke-Jr> 'night
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> what should I be using for openGL with a cross-compiler?
05:05 <z-man> Dunno. I can't remember what I used when I cross-compiled the old Walls.
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I found it, it's a package on sdl's website
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> now building libxml2 :)
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> hecking for xmlParseMemory in -lxml2... no
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> configure: error: You need the library xml2 to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> :(  presumably configure, at this point, is building a program that links using that function and then tries to execute it?
05:27 <z-man> No, it doesn't try to run it, it's just linking
05:27 <z-man> can you check config.log? It should tell you what exactly gets done.
05:27 <z-man> Maybe libxml2 didn't get built correctly and the linking fails.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lxml2 -L/usr/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm  >&5
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> bad link path
05:28 <z-man> Ah, of course. We're getting the link path info from the output of libxml2-config
05:28 <z-man> And that's the regular one on your system.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> right...
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> do we have a --with-libxml2=/path option?
05:29 <z-man> Try to find out where the cross compiled lib installed the -config-script
05:29 <z-man> We have an environment variable that tells configure which config script to call
05:30 <z-man> It's XML2_CONFIG
05:30 <z-man> so do XML2_CONFIG=/usr/mingw32/bin/libxml2-config ./configure
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> alright, yay, same problem with sdl :)
05:31 <z-man> Although it's probably just easier to make a complete cross compilation environment where the path is such that the cross compiled scripts get found first.
05:32 <z-man> Same special case solution: SDL_CONFIG :)
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, wait a minute, it didn't quite work anyway, just failed when it didn't find the script and kept going to sdl
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> BUG: configure doesn't fail properly when it doesn't find xml-config or whwatever it's called
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it was xml2-config, not libxml2-config, so that works now
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> still getting the wrong sdl-config script
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't look like we have an environment variable for sdl-config, do we?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I tried SDL_CONFIG
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/sdl-config ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc
05:36 <z-man> oh, sorry, that's only used internally
05:36 <z-man> you'll need to use the PATH method
05:37 <z-man> PATH=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/:$PATH ./configure
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> checking build system type... ../../armagetronadnew/config.guess: line 1250: ./dummy-21530: cannot execute binary file
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ../../armagetronadnew/config.guess: unable to guess system type
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:40 <z-man> aww
05:40 <z-man> Was it guessing right before the path trick?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:40 <z-man> It guesed mingw-stuff?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> looks like i typoed the path trick, let me fix that first :)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config LDFLAGS=-L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that gets me to the sdl_mixer check.  I'll just disable sound for now.
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> checking for glVertex3f in -lopengl32... no
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> OpenGL not found. Maybe it needs X11 to compile? Checking that...
05:42 <z-man> of course, a bad idea here :)
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> which fails, of course
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's not linking against the library, I dont' know if there is a library there to link against
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> libopengl32.a
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include  -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -lopengl32 -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib conftest.c -lopengl32  -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> -lpthread?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> it can't link against pthread, it's not there!
05:48 <z-man> Who gets the idea to link against it? sdl-config
05:48 <z-man> ?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> from sdl-config --libs
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> similar for xml2-config
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's sdl-config giving it up
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> checking whether SDL is installed... yes, 'sdl-config --libs' gave -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I got it linking and including the right sdl stuff, but it's still using sdl-config for flags
05:53 <z-man> So it's still calling the real system's sdl-config?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> we do have SDL_CONFIG in the configure.ac file, but not the environment variable stuff, so I just rippes libxml2's lines and am trying again
05:56 <z-man> I'll fix that with the SDL_CONFIG, but only in the 0.2.8 branch
05:56 <z-man> Is it a problem if you do the testing there?
05:57 <z-man> You won't have to deal with FTGL and stuff, then.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I just fixed it in the trunk
05:57 <z-man> ok
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I forgot about ftgl, heh
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> still getting stuck where I"m at, though, on opengl
05:57  * z-man makes a mental note to remember that when merging
05:57 <z-man> What's the error you get in config.log?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2  -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/libxml2 -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -Dmain=SDL_main  conftest.c -lopengl32  -lwsock32 -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc//lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2  >&5
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> /tmp/ccI1hT2F.o(.text+0x6): In function `SDL_main':
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> /home/dave/Projects/armagetronad/aabuild/win32/conftest.c:32: undefined reference to `_glVertex3f'
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> something tells me that means my sdl library is broken
06:00 <z-man> No, that's not the reason here, it seems. -lopengl32 may be incomplete
06:00 <z-man> or it may be one of those "libraries need to be linked in the right order" problems
06:01 <z-man> If you suspect it may be SDL, you can try moving the GL test before the SDL test.
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> where's it getting -lopengl32?  It's not in my configure line anymore
06:04 <z-man> Ah, that must come from SDL.
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, might be leftover from a previous configure attempt
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> I guess configure only caches when it completes successfully
06:09 <z-man> yes
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/games... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/games... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking alternative binary path /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/games/bin... no
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> checking for /proc/self/maps... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> did --disable-glout to get past it, figured I'd push on for the server
06:10 <z-man> try --disable-binreloc
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, it finished configuring, at least
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> we'll see if it builds :)
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok, shttpd doesn't cross-compile, that's just great
06:14  * Lucifer_arma growls at himself
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it wants socklen_t, a check that fails in configure
06:16 <z-man> shttpd is a pain already in normal Windows compiles, it'll be fun not to break anything there :)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, once python scripting is there, I'll be happy to remove shttpd in favor of a python-based webserver
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need to check if we're cross-compiling, I think.  Does the mingw cross-compiler define _WIN32?
06:30 <z-man> I'd think so.
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I need to define NO_SOCKLEN_T :(
06:31 <z-man> CXXFLAGS=-DNO_SOCKLEN_T?
06:32  * z-man just worked around the stupid LAN/Internet server browser problem, yay!
06:34 <@guru3> woo?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that worked, thanks.  :)  Only, CFLAGS, because shttpd is a c program
06:36 <z-man> guru3: yes, it's simple. If a ping answer comes in from an IP that does not belong to a known server, a new server entry is added.
06:40 <@guru3> grand
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePath.cpp:37: error: `tHeap<eHalfEdge> open' redeclared as different kind of symbol
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:280: error: previous declaration of `int open(const char*, int, ...)'
06:55 <z-man> Heh, rename it to openEdges
06:55 <z-man> there is probably another edge heap nearby, it would be nice if that got renamed as well.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> ePlayer.cpp:553:20: Lmcons.h: No such file or directory
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's in an #ifdef WIN32
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> apparently it didn't pick up the include directory for the cross-compiler
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> windows doesn't have case-sensitive filesystems....
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:561: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use this function)
07:10  * Lucifer_arma doesn't believe mingw doesn't have a typedef for DWORD, but why isn't it being picked up?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> ../../../armagetronadnew/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:563: error: `GetUserName' undeclared (first use this function)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> in that same win32 ifdef
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> apparently lmcons.h doesn't have it
07:23  * Lucifer_arma wonders how he's going to test this thing when it's done building
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> In file included from ../../../armagetronadnew/src/network/nSocket.h:49,
07:24 <Lucifer_arma>                  from ../../../armagetronadnew/src/network/nSocket.cpp:105:
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:272: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell does mingw manage to build this thing on Windows?!?
07:36 <z-man> It probably has different includes there.
07:36 <z-man> The GetUserName stuff can be a bit nasty, some Windows header has a "#define GetUserName GetUserNameA"
07:36 <z-man> that's why we #include <windwos.h> before doing anything else
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08:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I had to add the windows.h include there and then undef GetUserName after that call
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> we could pull all those platform-specific helper functions out into a safe place :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> the two conflicts in the mingw headers are annoying, though
08:13 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:13 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune:  "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years || of careful development." || (By dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> z-man: grats to your 2000th log message on CIA ;)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/z-man
08:14 <z-man> wohoo!
08:15 <wrtlprnft> no clue if it even cought all your messages, probably there were some before CIA, too
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08:38  * wrtlprnft is gonna get addicted to nanitron
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> you want to give them your cockpit?  ;)
08:42 <z-man> nanitron, isn't that running way too fast now?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft has a machine that was made in 1994, so no problem for him
08:51 <spidey> LOL
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, great, the conflict happens in winsock2.h as well
08:52 <spidey> pwnt
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I give up!  :(
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's mingw headers having problems amongst themselves, I don't see how I can fix it without spending a whole lot of time I don't really have.  I'll just have to wait until I can upgrade my cross-compiler.
08:57  * Lucifer_arma will finish updating the wiki with what he's got, which probably isn't much
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09:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no clue, but you can vary your speed
09:11 <wrtlprnft> but the speed on which you start getting points is fast, yes
09:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, and my machine is made in the end of 2003
09:17 <spidey> haha,and it has a 700mhz processor?
09:18 <wrtlprnft> nope
09:18 <wrtlprnft> 1.3GHz
09:18 <spidey> i don't remember when mine was made,but it was over 2 years ago,and it's got a 2.2ghz
09:18 <wrtlprnft> so?
09:18 <spidey> core speed really doesn't matter though :D
09:18 <spidey> just the FSB and L2 cache
09:19 <wrtlprnft> It's a notebook, at home i have a computer with some 3GHz processor
09:19 <wrtlprnft> and some kickass graphics card, IIRC 200fps on arma
09:19  * spidey can't wait to get his gfx card
09:21 <spidey> then the only thing i'll have to worry about is keeping the monitor clean,damn bug fly through the screen,LITTLE bugs
09:21 <spidey> and i smash them on the monitor
09:21 <spidey> xD
09:49  * wrtlprnft is trying to crosscompile arma now :)
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10:17 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you just made the really long configure invocations widen the page.  Maybe <code> instead of <pre>?  not sure how to coerce the wiki to do that...
10:17 <spidey> <center> ?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: they widen it?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> for me they just stick out of it
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
10:21 <wrtlprnft> and the first one was a <pre> anyways
10:21 <wrtlprnft> i just made it consistent and removed the double spaces
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, they just stick out of it too, but it has the effect of widening the page in my browser, sorta.  Doesn't force the rest to that width...
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I tried to catch all of them in something that could actually be read in a multi-line fashion
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe just adding \ to the ends of the lines and manually breaking them is better
10:21 <wrtlprnft> can you edit the CSS?
10:22 <wrtlprnft> then do a pre { overflow:auto; }
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> not while it's on tank's server.  :)  Rather, it can be edited, but you have to get tank to update it.
10:24 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:24 <wrtlprnft> that darn wiki ignores my custom style="" attributes :(
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: reload the page :)
10:26 <wrtlprnft> at least with my monobook skin it works, no clue what about other skins
10:27 <wrtlprnft> (i use the default mediawiki skin, the arma skin is kinda messed up)
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> looks the same to me
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I use the arma skin, which is just a few changes to the monobook skin
10:27 <wrtlprnft> second
10:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but the tabs look messed up
10:28 <wrtlprnft> aah, and now i see why you don't like it :P
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so I've heard, but I have no browser that shows them messed up and nobody gave me a patch or anything to fix it.
10:29 <wrtlprnft> it's unreadable because of the dark bg
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> ?  there's a light background behind the text you actually read....
10:29 <wrtlprnft> yes, but not the part that sticks out
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.
10:30  * Lucifer_arma notes that he tried to make them all not stick out so they could be read :)
10:30 <wrtlprnft> no problem with monobook :P
10:30 <wrtlprnft> I'll see if i can edit the armagetronad style...
10:31 <spidey> http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/fwpoink2/madebyvictim.swf
10:31  * Lucifer_arma doesn't click on flash links
10:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: reload now :)
10:35 <wrtlprnft> yay for css and sysop rights :P
10:36  * wrtlprnft might actually decide to fix the armagetronad tabs some day
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, fine, I still can't read it all at once, but whatever :)
10:41 <wrtlprnft> at least it's readable :P
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> :)  I'll take that and be happy about it, ok?  ;)
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> how's your cross-compile coming?
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> that kinda reminds me I wanted to setup a t2 target to build my desktop and server so I could finish what I started on my server
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> ack, so much to do.  Saying that reminded me I need to edit my article and send it in.
10:46  * z-man is just  following the instructions from that SDL cross-compilation page
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> which of course leads to "I want to fix my car so I can put my computer in it!"
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Great.  I started playing and now everyone wants to do it.  ;P
10:47  * z-man remembers they worked last time, OpenGL inclusive
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> I got the openGL bits I did from there, probably left it off the wiki page.
10:47 <z-man> Well, we can't let you have all the fun alone, right?
10:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: still compiling dependencies...
10:48  * Lucifer_arma really wants nightly builds of svn snapshots available for windows users
10:48  * Lucifer_arma really really badly, that is
10:48  * z-man too
10:48 <wrtlprnft> after i just compiled SDL twice accidently
10:48 <wrtlprnft> 2nd SDL instead of libxml2 :P
10:49  * wrtlprnft would like snapshots as well
10:49  * wrtlprnft would host them
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> and you know, innosoft's installer and nsis both run in wine now, so we can have the whole thing built from start to finish with it
10:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man: can you add some factor to the rubber useage by CYCLE_WIDTH?
10:49 <wrtlprnft> it's filling up too fast
10:50 <z-man> Already done :)
10:50 <wrtlprnft> oh, really? ok
10:50 <wrtlprnft> didn't see it in the logs, sorry
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> 2000 messages to parse, no wonder
10:50 <wrtlprnft> can't use it anyways until it gets merged to the trunk
10:50 <z-man> MIN is used when you barely scratch a wall, MAX when you're squeezed totally
10:50 <z-man> Oh yea, merges to the trunk, that reminds me...
10:51 <z-man> Since the stuff done in 0.2.8 is a bit experimental, I'm not doing them currently.
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I didn't commit the configure.ac changes I made for cross-compiling
10:51 <wrtlprnft> libxml takes longer to compile than SDL...
10:51 <wrtlprnft> then do so :)
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, committing right now.  update before you build.
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> revision 4836
10:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki-spam? what's that?
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's that thing we used to have to clean up 6-8 times a day
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure you remember it....
10:53 <wrtlprnft> remotely
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> I know it's been awhile, but it could come back....
10:53 <wrtlprnft> if they come back I'll make that bot trap more intelligent :P
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> :)
10:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:54 <wrtlprnft> ../../armagetronadnew/configure
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:54 <wrtlprnft> what a coincidence, that's the right path for me :)
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> you probably need to change that
10:54  * Lucifer_arma laughs out loud.
10:55 <wrtlprnft> i need to change a lot
10:55 <wrtlprnft> different paths everywhere, and my compiler is i386-mingw32msvc
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see this stuff turn into options to configure eventually, you know, after it actually works consistently
10:56 <wrtlprnft> you don't have to write the env variables in front of configure
10:56 <wrtlprnft> you can write them after as well
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking whether SDL is installed... yes, 'sdl-config --libs' gave -lSDL -lpthread
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking what name the SDL library is know under... SDL
10:57 <wrtlprnft> checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no
10:57 <wrtlprnft> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> did you put the right SDL_CONFIG variable?  Maybe it has to be in front of configure?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the sdl-config that's running is the system-installed one, which the cross-compiler can't link to, hence the failure.
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> or it's failing because of the -lpthread, either way it's trying to link to system libraries it can't link to.
11:00 <wrtlprnft> i did put it in front of configure
11:01  * wrtlprnft tries installing SDL_gfx
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> you did make install with it, right?  And put it in the prefix for the cross-compiler?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
11:03 <wrtlprnft> it can find it
11:03 <wrtlprnft> that's my command line:
11:03 <wrtlprnft> XML2_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config ./configure --host=i386-mingw32msvc --prefix=/home/mathias/cross/tools --disable-sound
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> you did svn update and ./bootstrap.sh ?
11:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:05  * wrtlprnft runs ./bs.sh again, to be sure
11:05 <wrtlprnft> !
11:05 <wrtlprnft> now it gets farther
11:05 <Lucifer_arma>   /home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config --libs  <--- what does this tell you?
11:06 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ /home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config --libs
11:06 <wrtlprnft> -L/home/mathias/cross/tools/lib -lmingw32 -lSDLmain -lSDL -mwindows
11:06 <wrtlprnft> but it goes upto the point where yours fails now
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok
11:06 <wrtlprnft> what about installing X11 in that prefix, too?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> or would that break windows compatibility?
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> is it even possible to build X11 with mingw?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> no clue
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> no, you don't want to do it with X11.  This thing builds with mingw in Windows, it's used for Code::Blocks, isn't it?
11:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue
11:08  * Lucifer_arma has to admit he's not looking forward to Luke-Jr declaring that cross-compiling is the primary build method after someone makes it work
11:08 <wrtlprnft> well, dedicated server has an error in shttpd
11:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> better check the commandline for it, you need some more parameters
11:09 <wrtlprnft> the CFLAGS?
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the -DNO_whatever is what fixes shttpd
11:10 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:12 <wrtlprnft> wow.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> this compile is even slower than normal
11:12 <wrtlprnft> but it just went through my cockit :)
11:14 <wrtlprnft> something in winsock.h conflicts :(
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11:17 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it to take opengl?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> nope
11:18 <wrtlprnft> i'm doing the server right now
11:18 <wrtlprnft> woot
11:18 <wrtlprnft> CCOPTS="-D_UWIN"
11:18 <wrtlprnft> try that
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> the answer clearly has to be the headers don't match the library
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> for the server, I take it?
11:19 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:19 <wrtlprnft> but it fails a few files later :(
11:20 <wrtlprnft> in tDirectories
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:272: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
11:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what i fixed by -D_UWIN
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> adding to CXXFLAGS to see if you just gave the wrong env var :)
11:21 <wrtlprnft> i added it to both
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> went by it this time
11:21 <wrtlprnft> assuming it was just needed in CFLAGS i just gave you that
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/objidl.h:58: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/objidl.h:58: error: expected `,' or `;' before string constant
11:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
11:22 <wrtlprnft> that i have now, too
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> typedef enum tagDATADIR	{
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> 	DATADIR_GET=1,
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> 	DATADIR_SET
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> } DATADIR;
11:22  * wrtlprnft hates plainC- macro madness
11:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
11:23 <wrtlprnft> looks like it doesn't like the macro DATADIR
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> we're conflicting there with our own DATADIR define
11:23 <wrtlprnft> aaaaah
11:25 <wrtlprnft> uh, how do we fix that? just replace every occurrence of DATADIR in the sources by DATADIR_42?
11:25  * wrtlprnft waits for Lucifer_arma to commit a fix :P
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not finding a DATADIR define anywhere :(
11:26 <wrtlprnft> src/tUn*
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I think we should prefix our own defines with something like aa to avoid these sorts of collisions
11:26 <wrtlprnft> there already is a AA_DATADIR...
11:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: src/tUniversalVariables.h
11:27 <z-man> Warning, that file is autogenerated
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see that file...
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> wait, it's in the build directory?
11:27 <z-man> yes
11:27 <z-man> The definition is somewhere in configure.ac
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #praise z-man 
11:28  * armabot gives z-man a cookie
11:28 <wrtlprnft> :)
11:28 <z-man> yum
11:28  * Lucifer_arma waits for z-man to commit a fix :P
11:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
11:28 <z-man> We should probably change the configure macro that defines the variables instead of the variables themselves
11:29 <z-man> because the AA_ prefix is added automatically. If we rename the macro, we'd get AA_aa_DATADIR :(
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> how badly would it hurt us to just #undef DATADIR ?
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> you know, right before the include that's killing us
11:29 <z-man> Not at all.
11:30 <z-man> Oh, wait, which file fails to compile?
11:30 <wrtlprnft> and then, after that, an #include "src/tUniversalVariables.h"
11:30 <wrtlprnft> :P
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> tDirectories.cpp
11:30 <z-man> Yeah, moving our include to the end may work.
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just stuck #undef DATADIR on line 108 and it's going through
11:31 <z-man> That alone may be risky, there is a #ifndef DATADIR somewhere, I think
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> nNetwork, nSocket, and shttpd all fail to link, however
11:31 <z-man> We need to link to winsock, I think.
11:32 <wrtlprnft> LDFLAGS="-lwinsock"?
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
11:32 <wrtlprnft> guess not...
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that library doesn't exist, apparently
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> -lwsock32?
11:33 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ gcc -lwinsock32 ../../asdf.c            ~/cross/armagetronad
11:33 <wrtlprnft> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lwinsock32
11:37 <wrtlprnft> any ideas anyone?
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> figure out which libraries to link :)
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I added -lwsock32 so far
11:38 <@guru3> so what are you doing anyway Lucifer_arma?
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> trying to cross-compile arma for windows from linux :)
11:39 <@guru3> ah
11:39 <wrtlprnft> that @ in front of guru3 looks scary ;)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I have nightmares about it
11:39 <@guru3> bow before me
11:40  * wrtlprnft bows before guru3 
11:40 <wrtlprnft> #praise guru3 
11:40  * armabot gives guru3 the Medal of Not Sucking
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> the only library mentioned in the codeblocks file is wsock32
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> but there are a few extra symbols defined...
11:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: good luck, there's just 170 libraries to choose from
11:44 <wrtlprnft> in i386-mingw32msvc/lib
11:44 <wrtlprnft> 170 libraries are enough for a very big city... and all in my computer ;)
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> grep is your friend
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> grep "___WSAFDIsSet@8" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libws2_32.a matches
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libwsock32.a matches
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libxml2.a matches
11:47 <wrtlprnft> libws2_32 i guess
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be for winsock2 I"m sure
11:48 <wrtlprnft> still won't work :(
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-c++  -I. -I.. -I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -D_UWIN -O2 -Wno-long-long  -lwsock32 -lwinmm -o armagetronad_main.exe  armagetronad_main-gFloor.o libtron.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a librender.a libtools.a  -L/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib -lxml2
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ld wants the linker flags in a certain order, doesn't it?  If it's not in the right place, it won't find the library
11:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O, dunno
11:50 <z-man> Well, you shouldn't be afraid of Luke making cross compilation the default. Be afraid of me demadning it to run trough without warnings at -Wall :)
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> we're fucked, then, because libxml2 can't do that :)
11:52 <wrtlprnft> grr
11:52 <z-man> Just our own stuff, obviously.
11:52 <wrtlprnft> and i can't even use readelf with those files :(
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, how do I convince it to link against wsock32?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> clearly it's not, I grepped the libs directory and the symbols I grepped were found there.
11:53 <z-man> /Big/usr/local/cross-tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i386-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i386-mingw32msvc/include/winsock.h:435: error: declaration of C function `int closesocket(SOCKET)' conflicts with
11:53 <z-man> /Big/usr/local/cross-tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i386-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i386-mingw32msvc/include/io.h:264: error: previous declaration `int closesocket(int)' here
11:53 <z-man> Did you get that one already?
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the -D_UWIN
11:53 <z-man> grr
11:53  * Lucifer_arma smiles :)
11:53 <wrtlprnft> whatever that means
11:53 <z-man> Any idea what UWIN stands for?
11:53 <wrtlprnft> just looked at the headers
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> XML2_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/sdl-config CFLAGS="-I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -DNO_SOCKLEN_T" CXXFLAGS="-I/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include -D_UWIN" ../../armagetronadnew/configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc --disable-sound --disable-glout --disable-binreloc  <--- most recent configure
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> something to do with unicode, iirc.
11:54 <wrtlprnft> one of the definitions is in an #ifndef _UWIN
11:54 <wrtlprnft> so i defined that to get rid of the definition ;)
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11:54 <wrtlprnft> no idea what it broke
11:54 <wrtlprnft> alda eh
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> alan alda?
11:54 <alda> hi all, can i change the resolution of the game to 800x600?
11:55 <wrtlprnft> sure
11:55 <wrtlprnft> system setup->display settings
11:55 <wrtlprnft> ->screen mode
11:55 <alda> perhaps i'm runni8ng my pc @ tv and another resolutoin gives me a bad picture
11:55 <alda> Lucifer_arma: dont know ya sry
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> alan alda was an actor...
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> MASH, iirc :)
11:56 <alda> wrtlprnft: and can this be changed in a cfg file? cause i cant see anything in game now
11:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:56 <alda> Lucifer_arma: ooh^^ hehe dont know him
11:56 <wrtlprnft> var/user.cfg
11:56 <wrtlprnft> search your computer for user.cfg
11:56 <alda> wrtlprnft: great have it allready found, but dont know the line, can you help me?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> can't see anything?  shouldn't it fail if it can't setup a resolution?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> grep "RESOLUTION" ?
11:57 <wrtlprnft>  46      ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_H 768
11:57 <wrtlprnft>  47      ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_W 1024
11:57 <wrtlprnft> it won't be the same line, probably
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no resolution for me, heh
11:57 <alda> Lucifer_arma: it isnt the games fault, its my tvs one, he can only show fullscreen apps correctly if they have the same resoultion as the desktop
11:58 <wrtlprnft> but search for SCREENMODE
11:58 <wrtlprnft> alda: then press f ingame
11:58 <wrtlprnft> it should throw you into windowed mode
11:58 <alda> ok thx wrtlprnft i'll proof it
11:58 <wrtlprnft> yw
11:58 <alda> :)
11:59  * Lucifer_arma suspects he needs to change configure.ac to make it link to wsock32 :(
11:59 <wrtlprnft> i love that file. everytime i open it i instantly want to throw up
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> haha
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty hairy, isn't it?
12:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:00 <wrtlprnft> does anyone remember my outcome for the density of margerine?
12:00  * wrtlprnft forgot it :(
12:01  * Lucifer_arma doesn't
12:01 <wrtlprnft> second, i have logs :)
12:01 <wrtlprnft> grep density ~/irclogs/FreeNode/\#armagetron.log
12:02 <wrtlprnft> oops
12:02 <wrtlprnft> wrong window
12:03 <wrtlprnft> ah, 28 grams
12:03 <wrtlprnft> or 3/20 of the container
12:03 <z-man> That's not a density
12:03 <wrtlprnft> no, i know
12:04 <wrtlprnft> the density was something else, wait
12:04 <wrtlprnft> 17:44 <wrtlprnft> 1,165 kg/m^3
12:04 <z-man> Sure? The last time I threw margerine into water, it floated.
12:04 <wrtlprnft> hmm
12:04 <z-man> And that was just five hours ago :)
12:05 <wrtlprnft> maybe not totally accurate :(
12:05 <wrtlprnft> i just measured the diameter and height of a margerine container and took the mass that was printed on it
12:06 <wrtlprnft> but since it isn't a perfect cylinder but more like a piece of a cone it might be wrong
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> but the container's not a perfect cyclinder, is it?
12:06 <z-man> Hmm, maybe they ripped you off :)
12:06 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't know how high the container was filled originally
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> right, you need an integral to solve that volume :)
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, I could compute it relatively straightforward like
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> since we in america use volume to measure ingredients, and I have a nice digital scale
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> measure the cup container empty, then fill it with margerine and measure it again :)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> I know, but I don't have a scale here
12:08 <wrtlprnft> at home we do have one, but in canada it doesn't seem to be an usual cooking utensil
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's unusual in my kitchen, too, but I insisted on having it
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> I use 2 lbs of potatoes to cook enough for my whole family
12:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 2lbs in kg
12:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2 pounds = 0.90718474 kilograms
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> we also buy our meat in big chunks and cut it down, better to use a scale for that then eyeballing it
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, you can't make that conversion without knowing the density of the potato
12:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> pounds = measure for mass/force, right?
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> kg is just mass
12:10 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about how ridiculous it is to measure mass and force in the same unit here*
12:10 <wrtlprnft> so?
12:11 <wrtlprnft> 2 lbs <-- i assumed you meant pounds as mass
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> so you can't convert pounds to mass without knowing, errr, nevermind
12:11 <wrtlprnft> lol
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> I guess google's converter already knows about the force being applied and takes it into account.  :)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> it knows that g =
12:11 <wrtlprnft> #g g
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you can't make that conversion if we're on the moon, with google.  :)
12:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:11 <wrtlprnft> #g gravitational constant
12:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravitational constant = 6.67300 &#215; 10^(-11) m^(3) kg^(-1) s^(-2)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:12 <wrtlprnft> not G, g i want!
12:12 <wrtlprnft> #g gravity on earth
12:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gravity on earth = 9.80665 m / s^(2)
12:12 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
12:12 <@guru3> that's just gonna be an average
12:12 <wrtlprnft> it's enough for cooking i think
12:12 <@guru3> for example
12:12 <@guru3> in sweden
12:13 <@guru3> it's closer to 9.82
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> closer to sea level?
12:13 <@guru3> i'm not quite sure how that works
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's a combination of altitude and location, since the earth isn't a perfect sphere
12:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: on the moon your potatoes will still have a mass of 2lbs, but a weight of ~.33 lbs
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> pounds isn't a measurement of mass here or on the moon
12:14 <wrtlprnft> it isn't?
12:14 <@guru3> what's the diff between inertial and gravitational mass again?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> no
12:14 <wrtlprnft> what do you use for mass then?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> we don't?  :)
12:14 <wrtlprnft> omg
12:14 <wrtlprnft> what's the unit of g then?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, I'd have to think about it.  Scientists use SI units
12:14 <@guru3> mmm SI
12:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, right, lbs was PRESSURE and weight, right
12:15 <@guru3> i've got that stuff in my phsyics notes
12:15 <z-man> Should I hack -lws2_32 into configure? It appears it almost already is in there :)
12:15 <wrtlprnft> i think
12:15 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> here, add this and we won't fight:
12:15 <Lucifer_arma>         LIBS="$LIBS -lwsock32"  <-- line 401
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> libtools.a(libtools_a-tDirectories.o)(.text+0x7f):tDirectories.cpp: undefined reference to `_errno'  <--- leaves me with just this
12:17 <wrtlprnft> and remove the LDOPTS from the configure call?
12:17 <z-man> That's in the standard library, IIRC
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, which should I link to?
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes, and remove LDOPTS from the configure call
12:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it runs through for me
12:18 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ls src/armagetronad_main.exe            ~/cross/armagetronad
12:18 <wrtlprnft> src/armagetronad_main.exe
12:18 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:18 <z-man> not for me, I'm stuck with _errno
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> what's the commandline for the linker you ended up with?
12:18 <z-man> Then run it :)
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:19 <wrtlprnft> 12:18 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ls src/armagetronad_main.exe ~/cross/armagetronad
12:19 <wrtlprnft> 12:18 <wrtlprnft> src/armagetronad_main.exe
12:19 <wrtlprnft> oops sorry
12:19 <wrtlprnft> i386-mingw32msvc-c++  -I. -I.. -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2 -O2 -Wno-long-long   -o armagetronad_main.exe  armagetronad_main-gFloor.o libtron.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a librender.a libtools.a  -L/home/mathias/cross/tools/lib -lxml2  -lwsock32
12:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: run it? WINE?
12:19 <z-man> If you insist.
12:20 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ wine src/armagetronad_main.exe            ~/cross/armagetronad
12:20 <wrtlprnft> err:module:import_dll Library libxml2-2.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\armagetronad\\src\\armagetronad_main.exe") not found
12:20 <wrtlprnft> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\armagetronad\\src\\armagetronad_main.exe" failed, status c0000135
12:20 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a windows machine here
12:20 <z-man> Hmm, I don't know how DLLs work in WINE
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> wine doesn't know about mingw, link those dlls from the current location
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> they should be in $MINGPREFIX/bin
12:20 <wrtlprnft> i was able to run in wine...
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> was that from a cross-compiled build directory?  or did you install it from a package?
12:21 <wrtlprnft> it was in a build dir
12:22 <wrtlprnft> if i install it it won't work either...
12:22 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ wine bin/armagetronad-dedicated                  ~/cross/tools
12:22 <wrtlprnft> wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\mathias\\cross\\tools\\bin\\armagetronad-dedicated" as Win32 binary
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> still stuck with _errno
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> figure out which library to link yet?  I've got a list...
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> grep "_errno" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
12:23 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's a different version?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/dllcrt1.o matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/dllcrt2.o matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libcrtdll.a matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgmon.a matches
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libiberty.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingwex.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr70.a matches
12:24 <wrtlprnft> gcc version 3.4.6
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr70d.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr71.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcr71d.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcrt.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmsvcrtd.a matches
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libxml2.a matches
12:24 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't know which of those files define _errno and which ones depend on it...
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> you are correct
12:25 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> msvcrt and msvcr70 both depend on it
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> xml2 as well, kinda goes without saying
12:25 <wrtlprnft> that's why i'd like to use readelf, but it doesn't work on those files :(
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> do you know which one's the mingw runtime?
12:26 <wrtlprnft> no clue
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's not mingwex
12:27 <wrtlprnft> just set up a small script that tries all of them?
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's not gmon
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible none of them define it but they all link to it
12:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think mingw32 is going to be the runtime
12:34 <wrtlprnft> just tried it on my mother's win98 machine downstairs...
12:34 <wrtlprnft> it complains that it doesn't find libxml2.dll
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> you need that file in the directory with the executable
12:34 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
12:36 <wrtlprnft> !!!
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: did you work out the _errno thing?
12:36 <wrtlprnft> it starts up!
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> does it play?  :)
12:36 <wrtlprnft> it just complains later about a missing var dir
12:37 <wrtlprnft> could not create path to ~/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/scorelog.txt
12:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> it uses / instead of \ for paths
12:39 <wrtlprnft> could not crate path to var/scorelog.txt
12:39 <wrtlprnft> *create
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't it bork over _errno?
12:41 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: no, haven't found anything
12:41 <z-man> I'm using gcc 3.4.6, just as wrtlprnft 
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> i586-mingw32msvc-c++ (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
12:41 <wrtlprnft> what do i need to do to tell it to use \ in paths?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> at least we're all on the same minor version
12:42 <wrtlprnft> *major?
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> major.minor.revision
12:43 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:43 <wrtlprnft> so 2.4.1 would be the same minor revision?
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, "same minor" implies "same major" as well
12:46 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> because there's no relationship between minor versions from different major trees
12:46 <wrtlprnft> so, any clue about \ or /?
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> it could just be output that way for clarity
12:50 <wrtlprnft> aaah, missing rights
12:51 <wrtlprnft> wooooooooot
12:51 <wrtlprnft> i can play on my server!
12:52 <@guru3> buahahahaha
12:52 <@guru3> sweden didn't score
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> the server you just built?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so what about _errno?  google's not helping :(
12:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, the server i just build
12:55 <wrtlprnft> on a win98 machine, 30ms lag :P
12:55 <wrtlprnft> fortress settings :D
12:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: update gcc?
12:55 <wrtlprnft> ok now, back to the client...
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's having the same problem...
12:56 <wrtlprnft> really?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> want me to committ the two files i changed?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> sure, what files are they?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> M      ../armagetronad/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp
12:56 <wrtlprnft> M      ../armagetronad/configure.ac
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> At revision 4836.
12:57 <wrtlprnft> no, not committed yet
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Sending        configure.ac
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Sending        src/tools/tDirectories.cpp
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Transmitting file data ..
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Committed revision 4837.
12:59 <wrtlprnft> and my configure line is...
12:59 <alda> hey game works on:
12:59 <wrtlprnft> XML2_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/xml2-config SDL_CONFIG=/home/mathias/cross/tools/bin/sdl-config CFLAGS="-I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -DNO_SOCKLEN_T -D_UWIN" CXXFLAGS="-I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2" ./configure --host=i386-mingw32msvc --prefix=/home/mathias/cross/tools --disable-sound --disable-glout --disable-binreloc
12:59 <alda> Host/Kernel/OS  "alteKanotixBox" running Linux i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter  ]
12:59 <alda> CPU Info        Pentium II (Deschutes) 512 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 267.309 MHz ]
12:59 <alda> Videocard       ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  X.Org 7.0.0  [ 800x600 @73hz ]
12:59 <alda> Network cards   D-Link System RTL8139 Ethernet, at port: c000 
12:59 <alda> Processes 76 | Uptime 2:49 | Memory 176.367/185.305MB | HDD Maxtor 6K040L0,ST34321A Size 44GB (5%used) | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
12:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:59 <alda> with lowest settings of course
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> so it works on another linux distribution :)
13:00 <wrtlprnft> I have 3 servers on a machine with 400MHz
13:00 <alda> but runs nice
13:00 <wrtlprnft> #uptime
13:00 <armabot> spidey: 20:00:45 up 49 days, 20:05, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
13:00 <alda> ^^
13:01 <wrtlprnft> that's my server :P
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> 13:01:42 up 6 days,  2:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.68, 0.52, 0.32  <--- heh
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop's better, but not much
13:02 <wrtlprnft> and you complain about my machine again...
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> ?  10 days vs 6 days?
13:02 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> the difference is that I intentionally shut down my laptop
13:03 <wrtlprnft> ah, got something mixed up
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> libtools.a(libtools_a-tDirectories.o)(.text+0x7f):tDirectories.cpp: undefined reference to `_errno'
13:04  * Lucifer_arma growls
13:05 <z-man> Yeah, that's the only error I get for the master server.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> wanna play on my win98 server? just to see if it performs ok?
13:06 <wrtlprnft> SERVER_NAME WooT! Win32 crosscompiled from linux! SVN Trunk! WooT!
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> -lm maybe?  I found a wxWindows post saying _errno is in the math library
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> nope, that didn't do it
13:10 <wrtlprnft> why don't you compile the newest binutils and gcc by yourself?
13:10 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66125
13:10 <wrtlprnft> that's what i used, + your stuff on the wiki
13:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: I compiled the stuff myself, too :(
13:12 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:12 <z-man> I'm looking for hints in the header files
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I ws about to point that out, but wanted to see what was on the page first :)
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm looking for hints on google :)
13:13 <z-man> the undefined references only come from tDirectories and shttp, that can't be coincidence
13:13 <wrtlprnft> i'd send you my entire /home/mathias/cross, but it's 999MB big
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting any from shttpd
13:13 <Lucifer_arma> just tDirectories
13:13 <z-man> Hmm
13:15 <z-man> There's a bit messing with errno and _UWIN
13:16 <z-man> right in include/errno.h
13:16 <wrtlprnft> what version of libxml2/binutils do you have?
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> I downloaded libxml2 fresh for this
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2-2.6.26
13:16 <wrtlprnft> libxml2-2.6.23
13:17 <z-man> libxml is irrelevant, binutils is 2.16.91-20060119-1
13:17 <wrtlprnft> that's what i got from /usr/portage/distfiles
13:17 <wrtlprnft> binutils-2.16.1
13:17 <z-man> libxml2 is the same is wrtls
13:17 <z-man> from distfiles, too :)
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> GNU ld version 2.15.91 20040904
13:17 <wrtlprnft> try that version of binutils?
13:18 <z-man> wrtlprnft: your version is between mine and Lucifer_arma's, I don't think it can be responsible
13:19 <wrtlprnft> true
13:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, then what did i do different than you guys?
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> what compile line went for tDirectories.cpp ?
13:20 <wrtlprnft> if i386-mingw32msvc-c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..   -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include/libxml2   -I./tools -I. -I.. -I/home/mathias/cross/tools/include -D_UWIN2 -O2 -Wno-long-long -MT libtools_a-tDirectories.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" -c -o libtools_a-tDirectories.o `test -f 'tools/tDirectories.cpp' || echo './'`tools/tDirectories.cpp; \
13:20 <wrtlprnft> then mv -f ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
13:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's something to do with single-thread vs multi-thread dll's, I've found
13:22 <wrtlprnft> win98 supports threads?
13:22 <z-man> if /usr/local/cross-tools/bin/i386-mingw32msvc-c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../armagetronad/src -I..   -I/usr/local/cross-tools//include/libxml2   -I../../../../armagetronad/src/tools -I. -I.. -fmessage-length=0 -DNO_SOCKLEN_T -D_UWIN -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -W -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wconversion --pedantic -Wno-unused-parameter -MT libtools_a-tDirectories.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/libtools_a-tDirectories.Tpo" -c -o libtools_a-tDirect
13:22 <z-man>  echo '../../../../armagetronad/src/'`tools/tDirectories.cpp;
13:22 <z-man> you have _UWIN2
13:23 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> I have _UWIN
13:23 <z-man> _UWIN2 doesn't exist in my headers.
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> try it anyway, z-man 
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> mine just built :)
13:24 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:24  * spidey slaps wrtlprnft cause he's bored
13:24 <spidey> lucifer,you signup for psykos sumo thingy?
13:24 <z-man> try rebuilding. We added _UWIN for a reason
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> spidey:  no, I didn't
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> you mean make clean and make?
13:25  * wrtlprnft wouldn't sign up if it was the last tournament on earth
13:25  * z-man means that
13:26 <spidey> why not wrtl?
13:26 <spidey> some good players signed up,and i like a challange :p
13:26 <wrtlprnft> because psyko is ***ing annoying?
13:26 <spidey> i don't like him either,but i put up with him
13:27 <spidey> you know,when i was hosting a tron server awhile back i had him come in and he told me "he starts shit cause he likes the attention,infact he loves it"
13:27 <wrtlprnft> additionally, my journey home is comming soon, i won't have much time
13:27 <spidey> exact words but he = i
13:27 <wrtlprnft> he is you?
13:27 <wrtlprnft> so you said it?
13:27 <spidey> no...
13:27 <spidey> he said it
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, spidey and psyko are the same idiot?
13:28 <spidey> :|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:28 <spidey> fuck no :/
13:28 <spidey> i'm on cahrter
13:28 <spidey> charter
13:28 <spidey> he's on verizon
13:28 <spidey> :p
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpIDo |mbc|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYDo |mbc|
13:28 <spidey> :/
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYKo |mbc|
13:28 <wrtlprnft> i like that one :)
13:29 <spidey> grrrr
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> use it, see if people love you or hate you
13:29 <spidey> i will not!
13:29 <wrtlprnft> ~*SP*~ SpYkO |mbc|
13:29 <wrtlprnft> there we go
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> but don't go to CT Fortress named PLayer Juan, someone'll try to kick you :)
13:29 -!- The_ManU [n=manu@p54A0A8AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
13:29 <spidey> lol
13:29  * wrtlprnft wonders what's up with Player Juan
13:30 <z-man> You could try Chico
13:30 <The_ManU> hm hi i'm alda on other machine, if i change the graphical options, armagetron forget them after restart of the game
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> probably just some asshat used that name before me
13:30 <The_ManU> can you help me plz?
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> ?  that's ccrazy talk, armagetron remembers
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> unless it crashed
13:31 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: try starting arma with -w
13:31 <wrtlprnft> for windowed mode
13:31 <wrtlprnft> then you can fool around with the settings
13:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i can't seem to get kicked :/
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect -D_UWIN is the wrong define to solve that problem
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> JJbean wouldn't have kicked anyway after I ripped him an asshole over the unfamiliar name thing
13:32 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: yes on this pc all works fine, but _AFTER_RESTART_OF_THE_GAME_ it forgets the settings
13:32 <The_ManU> Host/Kernel/OS  "KanotixBox" running Linux i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 ]
13:32 <The_ManU> CPU Info        Intel Pentium 4 512 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 2606.199 MHz ]
13:32 <The_ManU> Videocard       nVidia NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT]  X.Org 6.9.0  [ 1280x1024 @75hz ]
13:32 <The_ManU> Network cards   Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet, at port: ec00 
13:32 <The_ManU> Processes 82 | Uptime 19min | Memory 367.406/1010.41MB | HDD ST3160021A,Maxtor 6L080L0 Size 242GB (42%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6600 GT/AGP/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
13:32 <The_ManU> other pc ...
13:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i386-mingw32msvc/sys-include/io.h does contain _UWIN
13:32 <z-man> but not _UWIN2
13:33 <wrtlprnft> who ever talked about _UWIN2?
13:33 <z-man> Your command line :)
13:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:34 <wrtlprnft> that's a typo then
13:34 <wrtlprnft> very weird
13:34 <wrtlprnft> if it was a typo, how did it manage to fix my problem?
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> and changing mine to match yours made mine build after it had already built the rest of the game
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> so some object files were built with _UWIN defined, and some were built with _UWIN2 defined instead
13:35 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:35 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
13:35 <z-man> The only cpp file where the _UWIN had a positive effect was nSocket.cpp
13:35 <z-man> Because that fails to compile now again :)
13:36 <wrtlprnft> i later changed the line, after nSocket.cpp compiled
13:36 <z-man> Aha
13:36 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't do make clean
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> now I've got shttpd and nSocket together bitching at me
13:36 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:36 <z-man> so #define in sSocket.cpp
13:36 <z-man> #define _UWN, I mean.
13:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:36 <wrtlprnft> let me wait for it to reach that point
13:37 <z-man> Builds!
13:37 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:37 <z-man> What we really should do, probably, is get rid of one of the #includes
13:37 <z-man> I'll try to find out which one
13:38 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> starting from a make clean
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> you mean nSocket.cpp right?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> (there isn't an sSocket.cpp?)
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> how would that fix it for shttpd, too?
13:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, nSocket
13:39 <z-man> Right
13:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: shttp should work by itself
13:39 <wrtlprnft> if you don't define _UWIN in it
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.  nvm.  :)  I'm backwards
13:40 <wrtlprnft> nvm, shttpd fails for me now
13:41 <z-man> It didn't for me...
13:41 <wrtlprnft> gosh
13:41 <z-man> Ah, you forgot the SOCKTYPE
13:41 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> -DNO_SOCKLEN_T
13:41 <@guru3> curse those socks
13:41 <z-man> right
13:41 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:41 <@guru3> if you don't pay attention to the socktype
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> this whole thing socks
13:41 <@guru3> you wind up with mismatched socks :(
13:41 <wrtlprnft> but i have -DNO_SOCKLEN_T...
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> can't have that, socks must be gay or they're not cool
13:42 <wrtlprnft> in CCFLAGS
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> alright, mine built
13:42 <wrtlprnft> in CFLAGS
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> CCFLAGS doesn't exist :)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i meant CFLAGS
13:42 <wrtlprnft> now I'm the only one it doesn't link for?
13:42 <wrtlprnft> it fails at linking time
13:43  * wrtlprnft does make clean once again
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in ../../../armagetronadnew/src/tools/tLocale.cpp:150 :
13:43 <Lucifer_arma>         Language British English not found.
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> Please send a Bug report!
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you're the only one fucked right now
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> wine runs it but quits with the error I just pasted
13:44 <wrtlprnft> that's a missing language dir
13:45 <wrtlprnft> try giving it a --datadir option
13:45 <wrtlprnft> that would point to your source dir
13:45 <z-man> The conflict is between unistd.h and winsock.h
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's datadir?
13:45 <wrtlprnft> i think it is
13:46 <wrtlprnft> --datadir <Directory>        : read game data (textures, sounds and texts) from this directory
13:46 <wrtlprnft> texts == language methinks
13:47 <wrtlprnft> !!
13:47 <wrtlprnft> works now!
13:47 <wrtlprnft> yay
13:47 <The_ManU> hm wrtlprnft i play in 1280x1024, the text in game is very bad you can see pixels, text in menu is sharpen, is that nromal?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: yes
13:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
13:47 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: it will be different in the next version
13:47 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: i'll hope, when can we get it?^^
13:47 <wrtlprnft> you can already try to compile the trunk (in SVN on SF)
13:48 <wrtlprnft> nice and crisp fonts :)
13:48 <The_ManU> ah ok
13:48 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=350
13:48 <wrtlprnft> like on those screenshots :)
13:49  * Lucifer_arma thinks we'll need to work extra to get good support for cross-compiling
13:49 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: we're planning to release a development snapshot (or whatever it will be called, ask Luke-Jr for details) soon
13:49 <z-man> No, don't ask Luke-Jr!
13:49 <wrtlprnft> why? with a few quirks the server already works
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> you don't really want to sick Luke-Jr on this guy, do you?
13:50 <wrtlprnft> lol
13:50 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't know how it's called
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it alpha he complains
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it development snapshot he complains
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if i call it development beta he complains
13:50 <The_ManU> say its sid :P
13:50 <The_ManU> then i'll love it
13:51 <wrtlprnft> sid?
13:51 <The_ManU> cuz i use debian sid 8)
13:51 <wrtlprnft> oh
13:51 <The_ManU> still in development
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  a debian fanboy
13:51 <The_ManU> sounds good, doesnt it
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, it's Bacchus
13:51 <The_ManU> ^^
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> only, Luke-Jr would say "Bacchus is 0.4"
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, he's going to come back later and correct us all one at a time
13:52 <wrtlprnft> ok. don't ask Luke-Jr and call it whatever you want
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> how about "most recent release in the development series"?
13:52 <wrtlprnft> Server version: 0.3.0_most_recent_release_in_the_development_series unix dedicated
13:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:53 <The_ManU> hm ok thx for this nice game guys, i love it i've seen a 2d version of tron in suse 7 and i played a while a game called "tron 2.0" with windows which got this mini game too
13:53 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0_mrritds
13:53 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:54 <The_ManU> "this" mini game;)
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget your svn revision number!
13:54 <The_ManU> cya
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> bye
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> thanks for playing
13:54 <The_ManU> ok cu
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so why isn't it finding language files?  obviously we disabled binreloc
13:54 -!- The_ManU [n=manu@p54A0A8AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #armagetron ["Konversation terminated!"]
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> where is it looking for language files?
13:54 <z-man> Ok, got the server cross compiling without warnings and errors and hacks :)
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, another Konversationer
13:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you had read his system specs you'd even know the version :P
13:55 <z-man> The Windows version is looking for stuf in the directory where the exe is in
13:55 <wrtlprnft> #last --with Konversation --from The_ManU
13:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [13:32:36] <The_ManU> Processes 82 | Uptime 19min | Memory 367.406/1010.41MB | HDD ST3160021A,Maxtor 6L080L0 Size 242GB (42%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6600 GT/AGP/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> so move the exe to the directory where everything else is?
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13:55 <The_ManU> dunno^^
13:55 <z-man> and for our build process, that's slightly wrong
13:55 <The_ManU> one last question
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> one last answer
13:55 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes
13:55 <The_ManU> where has my system put the game? cant find it in kde menu "games"
13:56  * z-man goes for dinner
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> we should change some directories around when it's the mingw target being built
13:56 <The_ManU> i start it with alt+f2 or console
13:56 <The_ManU> cu z-man 
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> how did you install it?
13:56 <The_ManU> Lucifer_arma: apt-get
13:56 <wrtlprnft> it should end up in games if installed correctly
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you just need to flush the cache.  Maybe login and logout
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, logout and login
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> something like that, get KDE to reload the menu
13:57 <spidey> LOL
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> press shift-escape to make it appear in the menu
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> actually, CTRL->ALT->BACKSPACE will force KDE to reload it's application menu
13:57 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: don't log out and in
13:57 <wrtlprnft> just run kbuildsycoca
13:58 <wrtlprnft> uh, but alt-Sysrq-B will work as well
13:58 <spidey> 123321456654789987
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13:59 <wrtlprnft> what did he do wrong?
13:59 <spidey> i'm betting he clicked shutdown instad of logout
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14:00 <Lucifer_arma> he probably hit ctrl-alt-backspace
14:00 <The_ManU> he hit that
14:00 <The_ManU> didnt helped
14:00 <The_ManU> what were the other suggestions
14:00 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:00 <The_ManU> ?^^
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> just run kbuildsycoca
14:00 <wrtlprnft> just use kmenuedit?
14:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that has the same effect as logging in and out, just without the actual logging in and out ;)
14:01 <wrtlprnft> but you can use kmenuedit to add an armagetronad entry ;)
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> better wait
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> seriously
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> I did that one time, and a couple of days later I had 2 armagetronad items
14:01 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: but normally it shopuld appear without add it manually?
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> one that I added, and one that KDE eventually picked up on its own
14:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i once ended up with everything twice
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> it gets worse, a third appeared when I installed the autopackage file
14:02 <wrtlprnft> really, everyting
14:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> man, you should see what I've got.  When I boot into t2, I get my old Mandriva menus
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i currently have 4 armagetronad entries, none of which i use :P
14:04 <The_ManU> is izt called armagetron or armagetronad
14:04 <wrtlprnft> Armagetron Advanced
14:04 <The_ManU> i can start it with armagetron
14:04 <wrtlprnft> !
14:04 <The_ManU> ah
14:04 <wrtlprnft> what version?
14:05 <wrtlprnft> if you installed armagertron you got 0.2.6 which is stone age
14:05 <The_ManU> armagetron:
14:05 <The_ManU>   Installiert:
14:05 <The_ManU>   M�gliche Pakete:
14:05 <The_ManU>   Versions-Tabelle:
14:05 <The_ManU>  *** 0
14:05 <The_ManU>         500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
14:05 <The_ManU>         200 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages
14:05 <The_ManU>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
14:05 <The_ManU> that i have
14:05 <The_ManU> ...
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, configuration files not found
14:05 <wrtlprnft> then you have armagetronad, but an old version still
14:05 <The_ManU> and the newest is?
14:05  * wrtlprnft would recommend downloading arma from its site
14:06 <wrtlprnft>
14:06 <Lucifer_arma>, isn't it?
14:06  * wrtlprnft refers to the title
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's in the topic for this irc channel
14:06 <The_ManU> ^^
14:06 <The_ManU> hm i think then it would come soon in debian sid
14:06 <The_ManU> to install with apt
14:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, 0.2.8 is a few months old now
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> there is no one here with debian, so we wouldn't know at this point
14:06 <wrtlprnft> is a bit newer, but mostly bugfixes
14:07 <The_ManU> hm ok
14:08 <wrtlprnft> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-
14:08 <wrtlprnft> you want that one, i think
14:08 <wrtlprnft> or no, you don't
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, yay, the dedicated server is running in wine
14:08 <wrtlprnft> that's
14:08 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2%252Farmagetronad-
14:08 <wrtlprnft> that one
14:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad-dedicated runs in wine for me, but it doesn't let me connect :(
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14:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I couldn't connect either :(
14:10 <wrtlprnft> but it works fine on windows, so don't worry
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> so, we need to support filename extension, and we need to set it up with a different organization on make install
14:11 <The_ManU> hm i'll wait till it is in sid
14:11 <wrtlprnft> no clue how long that'll take
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?  You don't get maps...
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, not if they're still stuck on
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's getting a bit long in the tooth now, too
14:12 <wrtlprnft> that one even has a security issue
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> has important security fixes found by the debian guy, and you're vulnerable if that's what you've got
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> has security fixes needed.  :)
14:12 <The_ManU> security fixes? can you explain what can happen?
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> and Debian has a solid reputation for stale packages.  That's why Ubuntu and friends were created in the first place.
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> Um, to be honest, it's so long ago that I don't remember details.
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> See, is a bit over a year old now, longer even
14:14 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: and do you know?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> you're probably not terribly vulnerable since there's hardly anybody around still running anything that old
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> but you're probably also locked out from quite a few servers that require a newer client to play
14:16 <The_ManU> hm perhaps .. is terhe a *.deb for debian users with newer evrsion?
14:16  * wrtlprnft attempts to cross-compile xorg for windows...
14:16 <wrtlprnft> nope
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  Klax would be the guy who'd know
14:17 <wrtlprnft> but you can fetch the rpm and use alien to turn it into a deb
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> the autopackage works well, though, and doesn't break apt
14:17 <The_ManU> yes ..
14:17 <The_ManU> mom
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14:19 <wrtlprnft> so, any clues about the client?
14:19 <wrtlprnft> that would be more interesting, methinks
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> yes it is more interesting, but we just did most of the really painful stuff
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> solve the openGL thing and you've solved the client
14:23 <wrtlprnft> +sound
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> sound should come when SDL works
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I can't imagine SDL_mixer not working when the core SDL does
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
14:23 <wrtlprnft> true
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> +ftgl
14:24 <wrtlprnft> ftgl shouldn't be too hard
14:28 <z-man> FTGL doesn't use autoconf, that could become painful
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't?
14:28 <wrtlprnft> well, but it's working in winlibs, isn't it?
14:29 <z-man> At least, its build process is unusual.
14:29 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> also you need to build freetype
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> no telling what freetype itself will deped on
14:29 <wrtlprnft> well, freetype doesn't have any dependencies AFAIK
14:29 <z-man> In Windows, nothing.
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they just coded in hex
14:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, any other than gcc
14:31 <wrtlprnft> it depends on zlib
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14:33 <wrtlprnft> wb
14:33 <The_ManU> hm guys this securoty bug, what can he do, is it really so bad, even people can egt into my machine?
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: what was the thing with and that you had to fix when you first reappeared here?
14:34 <z-man> Some unchecked integer values in the network protocol
14:34 <wrtlprnft> http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5JP0A15EVO.html
14:35 <wrtlprnft> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/atron-adv.txt
14:36 <z-man> It wasn't some run-of-the-mill buffer overflow bug, you have to do quite a lot of additional work to get your injected code executed
14:36 <z-man> But still, the theoretical possibility exists.
14:37 <wrtlprnft> http://www.opengl.org/products/platform/C6/
14:37 <wrtlprnft> why aren't we on that list?
14:40 <@guru3> wooo 88GB of anime :D
14:40 <wrtlprnft> O_o
14:40 <wrtlprnft> where?
14:41 <@guru3> abot 8m away upstairs in my file server
14:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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14:51 <wrtlprnft> haha. my name is listed on the CIA, first hit on google
14:51  * wrtlprnft feels watched
14:51 <wrtlprnft> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=wrtlprnft&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
14:52 <@guru3> lol
14:52 <@guru3> my results come out like it's a typo of guru3d :(
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer wrtlprnft 
14:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 8770000, wrtlprnft: 550
14:52 <@guru3> or that like damn budhist or whatever google
14:52 <wrtlprnft> #google fight Lucifer_arma wrtlprnft
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 550, Lucifer_arma: 11
14:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
14:53 <wrtlprnft> #google fight davefancella wrtlprnft
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: davefancella: 763, wrtlprnft: 555
14:53 <wrtlprnft> gah
14:53 <wrtlprnft> screw you
14:53 <Luke-Jr> me
14:53 <Luke-Jr> no
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha
14:53 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 davefancella
14:53 <armabot> guru3: guru3: 13900, davefancella: 763
14:53 <@guru3> pwnt
14:53 <@guru3> :P
14:53 <Luke-Jr> fight me
14:53 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 luke-jr
14:53 <armabot> guru3: luke-jr: 79500, guru3: 13800
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight Lucifer weirdguy
14:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer: 10600000, weirdguy: 811
14:53 <@guru3> haha no contents there luke
14:54  * wrtlprnft thinks he's getting somewhere with opengl
14:54 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
14:54 <Luke-Jr> guru3: someone/thing else must use your name =p
14:54 <@guru3> tons of stuff
14:54 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 tank program
14:54 <armabot> guru3: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
14:54 <@guru3> #google fight guru3 "tank program"
14:54 <armabot> guru3: tank program: 48400000, guru3: 13900
14:54 <@guru3> wtf Oo
14:54 <Luke-Jr> O.O
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we already have the link library, though
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> grep "_glVertex3f" /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/*
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> Binary file /usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libopengl32.a matches
14:55 <Lucifer_arma> the missing symbol shows up in it, anyway
14:56 <wrtlprnft> then for some reason it doesn't contain glBegin
14:56 <wrtlprnft> that's what configure is looking for
14:57  * Lucifer_arma is considering disabling that check and seeing how it runs
14:57 <Luke-Jr> looks like it's not a C library
14:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: we NEED glBegin
14:58 <Luke-Jr> _glVertex3f is glVertex(double, double, double) in C++
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes, but maybe it's failing for a reason that doesn't actually stop it from building?  Unlikely, but I've seen it.  :)
14:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you'll likely find it under _glBegin?
14:58 <wrtlprnft> wooot
14:59 <wrtlprnft> just got it to configure further using some windows DLLs
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> ?
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> you got it past opengL?
14:59 <wrtlprnft> hecking for glVertex3f in -lopengl32... yes
14:59 <wrtlprnft> checking for gluBuild3DMipmaps in -lglu32... no
14:59 <wrtlprnft> configure: error:
14:59 <wrtlprnft> You need GLU to compile Armagetron; it SHOULD have come with OpenGL.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> hecking lol
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> how'd you get it past opengl?
15:00 <wrtlprnft> I used some dlls from win98
15:00 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that doesn't exactly fix it for the rest of us :)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok, I"m too sleepy ow anyway
15:02 <wrtlprnft> why, just get those files
15:02 <wrtlprnft> and you can fix it later if you find another way :P
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15:02 <Lucifer_arma> you mean the files in the link that gives me a 404?
15:02 <wrtlprnft> 404?
15:03 <Luke-Jr> File Not Found
15:03 <wrtlprnft> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-August/047839.html
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15:03 <wrtlprnft> that link isn't a 404 for me
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> not that link, but the link in that link
15:03 <wrtlprnft> oh, ignore that link
15:04 <wrtlprnft> the stuff below it is more interesting
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> right.  Umm, where am I supposed to get the files from, then?
15:05 <wrtlprnft> some windows installation?
15:05 <wrtlprnft> or just search for the filename
15:05 <wrtlprnft> I'm sure you'll find it somewhere
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> aha.  I see.  :)
15:05  * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a windows installation anywhere to tap for it
15:05 <wrtlprnft> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?opengl
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> and I said I was too sleepy, I meant it.  I'm about to pass out.
15:05 <wrtlprnft> first hit on google...
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> and I said I was too sleepy, I meant it.  I'm about to pass out.
15:06 <wrtlprnft> good sleep then
15:06  * Luke-Jr injects Lucifer_arma with caffeine =p
15:06  * wrtlprnft suggests Lucifer_arma sleep at night
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> I drink tea all day, Luke-Jr 
15:06 <wrtlprnft> *should
15:07 <Luke-Jr> wtf? it was correct w/o the 'should'
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's correct with the should, too
15:07 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:07 <wrtlprnft> and i wansn't sure about the one without
15:07 <Luke-Jr> it's slightly redundant with it
15:07 <The_ManU> z-man, this security bug in the source is also dangerous for linux systems when i use 2.7?
15:08 <wrtlprnft> it is
15:08  * Luke-Jr notes this is what the bugfix version element is for
15:09 <Luke-Jr> now we can go back and bump 0.2.7 and such up with the fix
15:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> the fix already exists
15:09 <wrtlprnft> in
15:10 <The_ManU> mine is ... and the apt-get installation is better for me than a own dpkg
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> was a bugfix release
15:10 <The_ManU> but if it is so dangerous, i'll make a deb
15:10 <The_ManU> the debian sources have only
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> ?  autopackage will install harmlessly into your system
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> really, you can just install it to your home directory, not even to system directories
15:11 <The_ManU> the whole game or onlx the fix?
15:11 <wrtlprnft> the whole game
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> the whole game, you never patch the executable :)
15:11 <wrtlprnft> that makes about 3MB or so
15:12 <The_ManU> hm but installation in ~ looks not nice
15:12 <wrtlprnft> why?
15:12 <wrtlprnft> install it in /opt if you want
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> because it's completely invisible?
15:12 <The_ManU> so just say if its dangeropus with FW in router and linux, or not, then i'll install newest or not^
15:12 <wrtlprnft> ?!
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> autopackage has a very nice installer.  You'll get your menu item, and you won't have to stumble across it everytime you wipe your nose
15:15 <The_ManU> hm yes but i update only if its important and if you say, yes this security bug in is bad for your machine, then i'll update, but if its only a very little thing then i#ll nit just say what would be better, and i do it;)
15:15 <Vanhayes> #dict arrogance
15:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: arrogance n : overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors [syn: {haughtiness}, {hauteur}, {highhandedness}, {lordliness}]; gcide: Arrogance \Ar"ro*gance\, n. [F., fr. L. arrogantia, fr. arrogans. See {Arrogant}.] The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride (5 more messages)
15:15 <Vanhayes> #more
15:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption. [1913 Webster] I hate not you for her proud arrogance. --Shak. [1913 Webster] Syn: Haughtiness; hauteur; assumption; lordliness; presumption; pride; disdain; (4 more messages)
15:16 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: it theoretically gives everyone the ability to do anything on your system
15:16 <wrtlprnft> and the new version is better anyways :P
15:17 <The_ManU> ok wrtlprnft then can you give me plz link to the rpm or a deb plz? and i'll install the new one :)
15:18 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2%252Farmagetronad-
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15:31  * Lucifer_arma farted
15:33 <z-man>  Actually, also the worst thing that can happen to BUG cry abusers is that they're put on my ingore list. I'm far too lazy to ban them.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> don't tell them that
15:34 <The_ManU> Not Found
15:34 <The_ManU> The requested URL /fetch.php/0.2.8/ was not found on this server.
15:34 <wrtlprnft> not again...
15:34 <wrtlprnft> that download script sucks
15:34 <wrtlprnft> wait, fixing it, if i can remember how
15:35 <The_ManU> ok thx :)
15:37 <wrtlprnft> try again...
15:39 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: dont work
15:39 <wrtlprnft> screw this
15:40 <wrtlprnft> http://aabeta.dashjr.org/download/0.2.8/
15:40 <wrtlprnft> direct link, if that mirror system won't work
15:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr 
15:41 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: should i rmove the old packages of armagetron or just install it over the old one?
15:41 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue about debian
15:41 <wrtlprnft> removing the old one should be safer
15:44 <The_ManU> ok
15:46 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: is that good? 
15:46 <The_ManU> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package armagetronad: postinst prerm
15:46 <The_ManU> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
15:46 <The_ManU> armagetronad_0.2.8.2-2_i386.deb generated
15:46 <The_ManU> root@KanotixBox:/home/manu/Eigene_Dateien/Ei
15:49 <wrtlprnft> should be fine
15:50 <wrtlprnft> try it, if it doesn't work uninstall again and call alien with --scripts
15:55 <wrtlprnft> something must be flawed with my libglu32.a...
16:05 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: both doesn#t work
16:10 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: still here?
16:11 <The_ManU> Lucifer_arma: do you know where to get a deb?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> like what? error message?
16:14 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: is german
16:14 <wrtlprnft> warum nicht?
16:14 <The_ManU> altes pre-removal-Skript wurde beendet mit Fehler-Status 127
16:15 <wrtlprnft> before that?
16:15 <wrtlprnft> *what is before that
16:15 <The_ManU> W�hle vormals abgew�hltes Paket armagetronad.
16:15 <The_ManU> (Lese Datenbank ... 140561 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
16:15 <The_ManU> Entpacke armagetronad (aus armagetronad_0.2.8.2-2_i386.deb) ...
16:15 <The_ManU> Richte armagetronad ein ( ...
16:15 <The_ManU> /var/lib/dpkg/info/armagetronad.postinst: line 2: /share/games/armagetronad/scripts/sysinstall: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
16:15 <The_ManU> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von armagetronad (--install):
16:15 <The_ManU>  Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 127 zur�ck
16:15 <The_ManU> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
16:15 <The_ManU>  armagetronad
16:15 <The_ManU> thats the wohole thing, without script it says no script found
16:15 <The_ManU> *whole
16:16 <wrtlprnft> grr
16:16 <The_ManU> :'(
16:16 <wrtlprnft> there is no .deb, I'm afreaid, since no developer here uses debian
16:16 <The_ManU> then i have to use this old version :/
16:17 <wrtlprnft> and something seems to be preventing alien from working
16:17 <wrtlprnft> or the autopackage :P
16:17 <The_ManU> hm
16:17 <The_ManU> ?
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> did he even try the autopackage?
16:17 <Lucifer_arma> he gave me the brush off everytime I suggested it...
16:17 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
16:17 <The_ManU> no
16:18 <wrtlprnft> http://aabeta.dashjr.org/download/0.2.8/
16:18 <The_ManU> how to use?
16:18 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: 
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> sh ./*.package
16:19 <The_ManU> ?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> assuming you only have one in the current dirr
16:19 <The_ManU> sh./ and then?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> put it somewhere and say sh <nameofthefile>
16:19 <Lucifer_arma> there's a space between the sh and the .
16:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: why ./?
16:19 <The_ManU> yes
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> habit
16:20 <The_ManU> and then the name of the bin?
16:20 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:21 <wrtlprnft> that'll hopefully give you some nice graphical installation dialog
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> defaults to text in this version, iirc.
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> because the graphical installer segfaulted for like 99.9999999999999999% of the world
16:22 <The_ManU> we'll see he is downloading stuff and asks oot pwd
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't give the root password, it installs to your home directory
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> which is pretty neat
16:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you sure it wasn't more like 99.99999999999999999% of the world?
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(0.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999)
16:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(0.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999) = 0
16:23 <The_ManU> sed: -e Ausdruck #1, Zeichen 2: unterminated `s' command
16:23 <The_ManU> /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-script-utils: line 1965: /,/: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> what does that say in english?
16:24 <The_ManU> installation ended
16:24 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: 
16:24 <wrtlprnft> weird
16:25 <wrtlprnft> grr, we need more testers on different systems
16:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like most of our devs are on gentoo
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to help, but since I can't read German, I'll go to bed instead
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> #night
16:25 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
16:25  * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
16:25 <wrtlprnft> sed: -e Expression #1, Char 2: unterminated 's' command
16:25 <wrtlprnft> /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-script-utils: line 1965: /,/:
16:25 <wrtlprnft> file or directory not found
16:26 <z-man> The_ManU: but the installation ran through?
16:26 <z-man> Because I got that error all the time when testing, but it was safe to ignore it, the game worked anyway.
16:27 <z-man> (all the time == on Sarge and Ubuntu)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU: btw you get english messages if you prefix LC_ALL=C to your command
16:28  * wrtlprnft is helpless about libglu32 :(
16:28 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't seem to contain anything useful
16:28 <The_ManU> z-man: yes works
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> libglu32 is extensions that your 3d card driver is supposed to provide
16:29 <The_ManU> wrtlprnft: whats with this lib?
16:29 <z-man> wrtlprnft: still about cross compilation?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:30 <wrtlprnft> mingw does contain it, though
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a link library
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> at runtime, the program loads from a dll instead
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and the windows trick that worked for libgl32 doesn't work
16:31 <The_ManU> bye
16:31 <wrtlprnft> cya
16:31 <wrtlprnft> any ideas?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> nm --print-armap libglu.a lists some symbols, but if i try to use them they fail at linking time
16:33 <z-man> No, but IIRC, I was using GLU back when I had everything cross compiling.
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> you added -lglu32 to your linker flags?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> yep
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16:34 <z-man> wrtlprnft: how did you get SDL_image to build?
16:34 <z-man> For me, it's not finding the symbols from SDL
16:34 <wrtlprnft> i need SDL_image?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> i got SDL and SDL_gfx
16:35 <z-man> Oh
16:35 <wrtlprnft> but i do need it?
16:35  * wrtlprnft doesn't know what SDL_image is for
16:35 <z-man> Perhaps SDL_gfx replaced SDL_image
16:35 <z-man> not the first name change :)
16:36 <z-man> (Look into the rTexture.cpp include stuff...)
16:37 <wrtlprnft> then we need SDL_image i guess
16:39 <wrtlprnft> yuck
16:39 <wrtlprnft> SDL_image wants zlib and libjpeg
16:39  * z-man is getting the prebuilt binaries
16:40 <wrtlprnft> cheater!
16:42 <wrtlprnft> wtf
16:42 <wrtlprnft> zlib's ./configure doesn't support --host!
16:44 <wrtlprnft> what do i do now :(
16:47 <z-man> Gaa, the binaries don't contain the libraries
16:48 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, tell me if you find out how to compile zlib for another host :(
16:51 <z-man> Will do, probably not today.
16:51  * wrtlprnft has had enough of crosscompiling for today
16:51  * wrtlprnft is off for a few matches at BF fortress (if it's not full)
16:55 <z-man> Shall I kick someone out?
16:56 <wrtlprnft> nah
16:56 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even try to join yet
16:56 <wrtlprnft> I just realized the arma version i use for playing is stull based on CVS
16:56 <wrtlprnft> so I'm currently compiling sVN
16:56 <wrtlprnft> with optimisation and custom hacks etc
16:59 <wrtlprnft> z-man: or actually, if psyko or macattack is playing.. why not? j/k
16:59 <z-man> macattack is banned :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
17:07 <spidey> you could kick spidey
17:07 <spidey> he's a annoying little shit
17:08  * z-man kicks spidey
17:08 <spidey> lol
17:10  * spidey is going home in the morning
17:10 <spidey> atleast i'll be able to keep up with low pingers then
17:10 <spidey> :D
17:11  * spidey throws a baseball at z-man 
17:11 <z-man> That reminds me, I saw a bat today!
17:11 <spidey> lmfao
17:12 <z-man> Didn't know they lived in cities, too.
17:12 <spidey> ne either
17:12 <spidey> i see them all the time at home
17:12  * spidey lies in the sticks :/
17:12 <z-man> heh
17:12 <spidey> s/lies/lives
17:13 <spidey> i'm glad i left spidey_ in here
17:13 <z-man> yawn, gtg2bed
17:13 <spidey> i keep forgetting my ip at home :/
17:13 <z-man> So you see your computer is up?
17:13 <spidey> no,so i can get my ip
17:13 <spidey> lol
17:14 <spidey> ggkthnxbbq
17:22 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
17:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 57?F / 14?C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.44in / 997hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Periods of rain ending this evening then cloudy with a few showers beginning near midnight. Risk of thundershowers early this evening. Amount 5 to 10 mm. Fog patches. Wind east 30 km/h gusting to 50 (1 more message)
17:23 <spidey> hmm
17:23 <spidey> i'm switching to DSL
17:23 <Vanhayes> #more
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: becoming light this evening. Low 10.; Sunday - Showers. Amount 5 mm. Fog patches. Wind southwest 20 km/h. High 15. UV index 3 or moderate. Sunday night..cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. Fog patches. Wind west 20 km/h. Low 10.; Monday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. High 20.;
17:23 <spidey> it's $10 cheaper and i'll get double the speed
17:23 <spidey> Up to 6 Mbps/
17:23 <spidey> 512 Kbps
17:23 <spidey> FastAccess
17:23 <spidey> DSL Xtreme 6.0
17:23 <spidey> $46.95 
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> bats live under the bridges all over austin.  They're the reason our hockey team is called the Austin Icebats
17:28 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ever heard of dynDNS for getting your ip? ;)
17:35 <spidey> i got one
17:36 <spidey> but i pointed it to this ip cause i run a TS server
17:36 <spidey> and i don't feel like giving a new ip out
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17:51 <spidey> you
17:51 <spidey> what about them?
17:52 <me> someone has this auto install package for me?
17:54 <me> spidey you perhaps?
17:55 <spidey> ?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> manu: consider youself de- tarned :P
17:55 <wrtlprnft> n=manu@p54A0A1D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
17:55 <spidey> it's on the site,look for the version you want with a .package ending
17:56 <me> wrtlprnft: yes with an older kanotix version
17:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:56 <me> client?
17:56 <wrtlprnft> yep
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18:03 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: /usr/share/autopackage/apkg-funclib: line 730: 11910 Speicherzugriffsfehler  autopackage-frontend-gtk "$@"
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gah. that's the gui
18:07 <wrtlprnft> there's an option to disable it somewhere
18:07 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: and what caused the error, or ehat IS the error?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> the error is that the gui of autopackage is buggy
18:08 <wrtlprnft> so you need to disable it
18:08 <The_ManU|me> ???
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18:08 <The_ManU|me> but it worked some hours ago?
18:08 <The_ManU|me> perhaps you gave me an another link
18:08 <The_ManU|me> then i downloaded now?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> another machine, right?
18:09 <spidey> holy shit
18:09 <spidey> i'm rich
18:09 <The_ManU|me> oO
18:09 <spidey> i just checked my paypal account
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:09 <spidey> <me> wrtlprnft: yes with an older kanotix version
18:09 <spidey> wait
18:09 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: no, another os 
18:09 <The_ManU|me> ok
18:09 <spidey> Balance: 	$0.02 USD
18:09 <spidey> RICH!
18:09 <The_ManU|me> lol
18:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:10 <The_ManU|me> congratulations
18:10 <wrtlprnft> who donated?
18:10 <spidey> lmao
18:10 <wrtlprnft> -taxes and fees $0.01 i guess
18:10 <spidey> no one,it's what i have left outta $30
18:11 <spidey> i take $30 a month outta the bank to pay for webhosting/gameserver hosting
18:11 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU|me: try calling the sh command with -t
18:13 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: nothing happend
18:13 <The_ManU|me> just a new prompt
18:13 <wrtlprnft> and there you chose?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 2, right?
18:14 <The_ManU|me> 1
18:15 <wrtlprnft> weird
18:15 <wrtlprnft> installs just fine for me
18:15 <The_ManU|me> wrtlprnft: worked now, what did -t do?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> The_ManU|me: force the terminal installer
18:16 <wrtlprnft> not the GUI one
18:16 <wrtlprnft> the gui one fails for some people, though it works fine for me
18:17 <The_ManU|me> and did the gui one installed something?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> probably not
18:18 <wrtlprnft> it segfaulted
18:19 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to show you a dialog asking if you wanna install it system-wide or just for the user
18:19 <wrtlprnft> if that dialog didn't come up it certainly didn't install anything
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18:49 <Vanhayes> #google fight The godfather Scarface
18:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
18:49 <wrtlprnft>  #google fight "The godfather" Scarface
18:50 <Vanhayes> space
18:50 <Vanhayes> #google fight "The godfather" Scarface
18:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: The godfather: 39900000, Scarface: 15500000
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